text;label;labeled_mask "From: ulf@kirsch.c3consult.comm.se (Ulf Lagerstedt) Subject: A+ mouse Organization: Communicator C3Consult AB Distribution: comp Lines: 12 In the bottom drawer I just found an old A+ mouse with a DB-9 (9-pin) plug. I assume that it belonged to a deceased Plus or something. Could any simple modification turn it into a proper ADB mouse? Reply by mail, preferably. Thanks! -- Ulf Lagerstedt, Communicator C3Consult, Sweden / ulf@c3consult.comm.se ";-1;0 "From: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) Subject: Re: Endometriosis Reply-To: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) Distribution: world Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr16.032251.6606@rock.concert.net> naomi@rock.concert.net (Naomi T Courter) writes: >can anyone give me more information regarding endometriosis? i heard >it's a very common disease among women and if anyone can provide names >... >--Naomi Endometriosis is where cells that would normally be lining the uteris exist outside the uteris. Sometimes this causes problems, often it doesn't. There is generally no need to remove pockets of endometriosis unless they are causing other problems. One lady I know had Endometriosis in an ovary. This caused her a _great_ deal of pain. Another lady I know has an endometrial cyst in her abdominal wall; she is not having it removed. The American Fertility Society has information on this and they probably maintain a list of physicians in all parts of the continent that deal with endometriosis. You can reach them at: The American Fertility Society 2140 11th Ave South Suite 200 Birmingham, Alabama 35205-2800 (205)933-8494 [J.F.] ";4;1 "From: Nanci Ann Miller Subject: Re: New Member Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 16 <1993Apr16.015931.12153@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr16.015931.12153@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes: > Welcome. I am the official keeper of the list of nicknames that people > are known by on alt.atheism (didn't know we had such a list, did you). > Your have been awarded the nickname of ""Buckminster."" So the next time > you post an article, sign with your nickname like so: > Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller. Thanks again. > > Jim ""Humor means never having to say you're sorry"" Copeland Of course, the list has to agree with the nickname laws laid down by the GIPU almost 2000 years ago (you know... the 9 of them that were written on the iron tablets that melted once and had to be reinscribed?). Since I am a prophet of the GIPU I decree that you should post the whole list of nicknames for the frequent posters here! Nanci ";-1;0 "From: ongh@iastate.edu (Calvin N Hobbes) Subject: Wanted: One way flight from Des Moines to Chicago Summary: Ticket needed on 28th of May Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 5 Hi I need a one way flight ticket from Des Moines to Chicago on the 28th of May 1993. please send your replies to jasonlim@iastate.edu or to this account as soon as possible thank you ";-1;0 "From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Lines: 22 Sender: Reply-To: harmons@gyro.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) Distribution: Organization: /usr/ens/etc/organization Keywords: >>: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but >>: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money >>: down a rathole. >>let my current membership lapse when it's >>up for renewal. >In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any >hints on what will keep the organization in business that long. (And >preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.) Become an activist: campaign for an MC insurance program; for universal driver/rider training before licensing. Pick a topic dear to your heart and get the organization to act on it. Barnacles don't move ships. ";-1;0 "From: anielsen@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Andrew Nielsen) Subject: Versatec plotter PPD? Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Hello world, does anyone know of a Postscript PPD for a Versatec A0-size plotter, which is generally accessed via a ZEH Postscript interpreter? Replies by e-mail very gratefully received - this is proving to be quite a tricky one. _________________________________________________________________________ Andrew D. Nielsen Internet : anielsen@DIALix.oz.au Advanced Systems Consultant AppleLink: AUST0278 AppleCentre Perth 69 Adelaide Tce Tel: +61-9-2214511 PERTH WA 6004 AUSTRALIA FAX: +61-9-2212527 ""Any opinions expressed are my own, not those of my employer."" ";0;1 "From: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman) Subject: CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS: Navy SciViz/VR Seminar Expires: 30 Apr 93 04:00:00 GMT Reply-To: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman) Distribution: usa Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 66 CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS NAVY SCIENTIFIC VISUALIZATION AND VIRTUAL REALITY SEMINAR Tuesday, June 22, 1993 Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (formerly the David Taylor Research Center) Bethesda, Maryland SPONSOR: NESS (Navy Engineering Software System) is sponsoring a one-day Navy Scientific Visualization and Virtual Reality Seminar. The purpose of the seminar is to present and exchange information for Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality programs, research, developments, and applications. PRESENTATIONS: Presentations are solicited on all aspects of Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality. All current work, works-in-progress, and proposed work by Navy organizations will be considered. Four types of presentations are available. 1. Regular presentation: 20-30 minutes in length 2. Short presentation: 10 minutes in length 3. Video presentation: a stand-alone videotape (author need not attend the seminar) 4. Scientific visualization or virtual reality demonstration (BYOH) Accepted presentations will not be published in any proceedings, however, viewgraphs and other materials will be reproduced for seminar attendees. ABSTRACTS: Authors should submit a one page abstract and/or videotape to: Robert Lipman Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division Code 2042 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 VOICE (301) 227-3618; FAX (301) 227-5753 E-MAIL lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil Authors should include the type of presentation, their affiliations, addresses, telephone and FAX numbers, and addresses. Multi-author papers should designate one point of contact. DEADLINES: The abstact submission deadline is April 30, 1993. Notification of acceptance will be sent by May 14, 1993. Materials for reproduction must be received by June 1, 1993. For further information, contact Robert Lipman at the above address. PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE, THANKS. Robert Lipman | Internet: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil David Taylor Model Basin - CDNSWC | or: lip@ocean.dt.navy.mil Computational Signatures and | Voicenet: (301) 227-3618 Structures Group, Code 2042 | Factsnet: (301) 227-5753 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 | Phishnet: stockings@long.legs The sixth sick shiek's sixth sheep's sick. ";-1;0 "From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Press Briefing by George Stephanopoulos 4.14.93 Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 996 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _____________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 14, 1993 PRESS BRIEFING BY GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS The Briefing Room 12:40 P.M. EDT MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I guess I'm just prepared to take questions today. Q George, Bob Dole says that the Clinton administration's policy on Bosnia is a failure and that he wants the United States to take the lead in lifting the arms embargo so that the Bosnian Muslims can defend themselves. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: As you know, President Clinton has said that that suggestion is under active consideration. Obviously, this is a tragic situation in Bosnia. And if the Bosnian Serbs don't come to the negotiating table in a constructive way, we'll look seriously at pressing for lifting the arms embargo. In the meantime, we're going to continue to press for a tough sanctions resolution in the U.N. We're going to continue to work on the Serbs to come to the negotiating table. But the prospect of an arms embargo is something the President certainly will consider if the Serbs don't come to the table. Q How much longer are you going to give them to come to the table, George? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We're working on that right now. Q It's been a long time. Q On February 19th, the President mentioned the value added tax in Ohio. And when he was asked about it later by reporters, he said -- quote -- ""That is a radical change in the tax system of the United States. It's something I think we may have to look at in the years ahead."" Questioned again about it later he says, ""It is not something that is now under consideration. If we start considering it, I'll tell you."" It wasn't a trial balloon or anything, he said. I was just discussing the tax response to a question. Donna Shalala, quoted in USA Today this morning -- quote - - ""Certainly we're looking at a VAT."" What's gone on? Q The same with Alice Rivlin this morning. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The health care task force is reviewing a number of options. They haven't made any decisions yet. And as I have said from this podium time and time again, we're not going to comment on decisions that haven't been made. Q But you have also said from this podium time and time again -- Q Wait a minute. Whoa, Nelly. Whoa. Q that that was not under consideration. Q Yes. Clinton says, ""It is not something that is now under consideration."" Is that no longer true? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I believe the working group, as Ms. Shalala says, has looked at this prospect, but no decisions have been made of any kind. Q Well, I know. But he said he'd tell us about it if it was ever under consideration. I take it that now he is and he didn't tell us about it or -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Did he say if it was under consideration or if it was something to be proposed? Q ""If we start considering I'll tell you."" MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: If it's something to be proposed? Q ""If we start considering it, I'll tell you."" That's a direct quote. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The task force has looked at a number of different options. They have not made any decisions yet. The President has not made any decisions yet. This is -- one of the proposals under consideration by the task force was to go out and cast as wide a net as possible for different ideas on how to reform the health care system. They have cast a very wide net. They have looked at hundreds of different proposals -- probably thousands of different proposals. But the President has not made any decisions. Q Well, is the President aware of their consideration of this option? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know if he's been briefed on any preliminary conclusions or anything like that from the task force on this specific proposal of any kind. I don't know that that's gotten to his level. He started yesterday to go through with the task force a very wide range of decisions and I don't believe that that's been presented to him, no. Q Well, he's not relying on the USA Today to tell him what his task force is considering in the way of taxes. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, he's going through it in a very deliberate fashion. There are a number of decisions that have to be made. I don't know that this proposal has reached that decision- making point. Q If this is still under consideration, that's a change, at least from what we've been told by Dee Dee, I think about three weeks ago or so. She said, that is not an option, talking about the -- had a big argument with somebody over this, so I remember it specifically -- and said it not once, but twice. Is that not the case? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, I don't know if this has been presented to the President as something that is being looked at at some level in the task force. Q It was ruled it out, though. I mean, unlike other options that you've kept in the mix, this one specifically was ruled out. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, this is something that is being looked at, but no decision has been made of any kind. I mean, it doesn't -- it's not necessarily material until you get to the decision-making phase. The working groups are looking at hundreds of different options. Q If it was ruled out before and it's not ruled out now, then something has changed, George. Yes, no? Q When a guy says in February -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the working groups are looking at the widest possible range of options. Q So something's changed. They weren't looking at it before; they're looking at it now. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, I don't know if the working groups have gotten to that point yet. They are casting a very wide net. Q How was it possible that you and Dee Dee were able to sell -- definitively rule it out as an option previously and now are saying that, in fact, it is being considered? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, the working groups are looking at a wide range of options. They have not -- Q Do you deny that you and Dee Dee ruled it -- flatly ruled it out on several occasions in the past month? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't deny that -- I mean, those are the President's words. Those are very clear. Q Subsequent to the President's words, do you deny that within the last month you and Dee Dee have both publicly ruled it out? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know about the timing. I think what we did was refer back to the President's words and say they stand. Q So don't they stand any longer? Q March 25th, Clinton said for the next four to five years it was ruled out. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, those words -- the President did say that in February. The working groups are on a separate track, and as I said, I don't believe -- Q Separate from the President? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't believe this has been presented to the President. Q Are they considering something that the President -- Q Has ruled out? Q has ruled out? I mean, will the President consider a VAT tax? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, the working groups have not presented this to the President. They have looked at a wide range of options. I suppose that if an argument is made, he will clearly listen to it. That does not mean he has decided to do it. Q Can we put this another way? In his answer in Ohio, he looked at the VAT in terms of restructuring the whole tax system. Under those -- that was the circumstance that he said it might be considered at some future point. Is that no longer the case, or is that the only way that he can see a VAT emerging? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I guess I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. Q He talked about the VAT in the context of a restructured tax system, not as a specific way to finance health care, for example. Q Or anything else. Q Or anything else. Q It was always in the context of substituting for other taxes at a time of a dramatic overhaul of the whole tax system. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Right. Q Has that change, too? Q Is that still his view? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I haven't spoken about those specific comments. I think -- I can just go back to it -- are the working groups -- have they examined the possibility of a VAT? Yes, they have. Q Certainly we're looking at a VAT, she said. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: They have examined the possibility of a VAT. Has it been presented to the President? Has he made a decision? No, he has not. Q What kind of a deal do you have when you've got the President's appointed task force, obviously not oblivious to his ruling something out except in the context of some huge down the line reform, goes ahead on its own and considers a tax which he has specifically ruled out in any context other than much later, and then goes ahead and announces that that's what they're looking at? Is the President concerned about that sort of thing? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think that the President's concern is to make sure he gets the best health care proposal possible. He's concerned with making sure that they have the most thorough process for examining all the possible alternatives, all the different alternatives. If a decision is made to go forward with something like that it's certainly something the President will explain and justify. But no decision has been made along those lines. Q What does it mean exactly, though, when the President rules something out? Does it mean it can get back on the table later if a more persuasive argument is made? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That's just -- that's indisputably true. If you -- but, at the same time, he has not ruled it in. He has not made a proposal. Q What makes him open to it now when he wasn't open to it before? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He's certainly willing to listen to the argument. Q Was he willing to listen to the argument for a short-term tax this year, and he wasn't willing to listen to it in Chilicothe? He's now open to it -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The context of his comments was that it was not something -- he wanted to be clear that this is not something he was proposing, not something he was floating. Q Not something he was considering. Those are his words -- ""It's not something that's now under consideration. If we start considering it, I'll tell you."" You're now acknowledging, are you not, that it is under consideration and -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm acknowledging that the task force has studied this proposal. I am also stating that the President has not made a decision on it. Q But the door is open for the President to reconsider including this as part of -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Obviously, the working groups are looking at it. Again, but the President has not made a decision. Q Do you know if they will make a presentation on behalf of the VAT to him? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know that. I assume that if -- I don't know what stage they are it in proposing. I don't know that they're going to make the conclusion that this is something they should present to him. I know this is something the working groups are looking at. Q Do you understand, George, that none of us are asking these questions in context of a decision that the President has made, only about what the President is considering? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I understand that, and I am acknowledging that the working groups have examined the issue of a VAT. Q And the President will consider it? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I assume that he will consider the argument if it is presented to him. Q Does that mean the President -- that working groups think that when the President says no, he means maybe? (Laughter.) MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think that means that the working groups are trying to do the most thorough job possible. Q George, can I ask you another question about Bosnia? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Sure. (Laughter.) Q No, he wants us to stay on this. Q Let's do gays in the military. (Laughter.) Q No, he got out of that swamp. Q I think we've gotten the bottom line on that VAT. Reggie Bartholomew, your Special Ambassador in Belgrade, today said that if the Serbs do not accept the agreement that has been worked out -- quote -- ""We will do our part to pursue the lifting of the arms embargo together with our allies."" That seems to go a bit further than what you've just said -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Sounds almost exactly what I just said. Q Well, do you accept -- in other words, you accept what Reggie -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the President has said that this is something that's under consideration. It is something he will consider if the current actions don't bring the Serbs to the table. Q Isn't there some kind of timetable here? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes, there is a timetable. There's going to be a vote on the U.N. resolution in about 10 days. Q That's on sanctions, that's on tightening the sanctions. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That's right, that's sanctions. And we believe that that will ratchet up the pressure, and we hope that that will bring the Serbs to the table. As you know, Mr. Bartholomew also met with Mr. Churkin of Russia, and they are also working on ways to bring the Serbs to the table. We will continue to pressure them in many different ways and this is one possible option as well. Q The question is whether there's a timetable for consideration or a vote on a decision on lifting the arms embargo, not the sanctions. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The next vote in the U.N. is on sanctions. As far as I know, there are no votes scheduled on lifting the arms embargo. But it is something that we have discussed both internally and with our allies. Q Why did Reggie Bartholomew tell the Serbs that the U.S. would do that? What was the point of his telling them that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, clearly, I mean, this is something that's under consideration, and this is something that we take quite seriously if they do not come to the table. They should know the consequences of failing to come to the table. Q Have they been given a deadline? Q Warren Christopher has been saying the same thing and it hasn't seemed to change the Serbs' behavior in the least. Why should the Serbs take any heed of a threat to lift the arms embargo when so far everything that's been done has had no effect on the fighting in Bosnia? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I just don't accept the premise of your question. It has had an effect; the embargo is having an effect. Q What effect? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: If the Serbians choose not to heed our warnings, then they will face the consequences. Q What effect has it had in Bosnia? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, the effect that it has had on the Serbians, it has tightened up -- they are not getting their shipments through. We can brief more fully -- Q In Bosnia, George. In Bosnia what effect has it had? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, it's hard to say if it's stopped the aggression to date. That is why we're continuing to press for the Serbians to stop. But we believe that over time we will continue to weaken the Serbs and that will have an effect. I'm not saying it's going to happen overnight; it clearly hasn't happened overnight. But we believe that over time the sanctions can weaken the Serbs. If it fails to work and if the Serbs fail to come to the negotiating table, we'll move forward with the embargo. Q Isn't there a working deadline, George, of the 24th -- the same date as the U.N. -- the scheduled U.N. vote? Hasn't the United States said, along with many of the other NATO allies, that if the Serbs aren't willing to sign on to the peace accord by then, that we'll seek -- haven't we said that we will seek -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We've said continually we're going to -- Q But on that deadline? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't have a specific date, but we're going to move forward with the resolution, the U.N. resolution, by around that time. And if that fails to take effect, if that fails to bring the Serbs to the table, we will clearly consider other actions. Q Isn't this awfully incremental? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We're taking a step-by-step approach. We're ratcheting up the pressure and we're going to continue to do that. Q Is there a possibility, George, that by the time all these incremental steps are taken the Serbs will have achieved their goals and then what's the purpose? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think the purpose is to get the Serbs to stop the aggression. We are pursuing that goal on many different fronts. We are pursuing it through the U.N.; we're pursuing it through direct talks; we are pursuing it through tightening the sanctions. And we will consider lifting the arms embargo. We are turning the screws up on the Serbs and we will continue to do that. Q But if the efforts have been unsuccessful in getting the Serbs to stop the aggression how effective will any campaign be to have the Serbs give back what they've gained? I mean, once they're entrenched -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I can't speculate on that. We're going to continue to press for them to come to the table now. We're going to continue to find ways to stop the aggression. But I can't see into the future. Q George, on the stimulus package, House Republicans say they're going to hold a series of town meetings on Saturday to try and explain the details of your package. They cite polls which show that the more people learn about it, the less they like it. What's your strategy to counter that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The strategy we have is the one we're going to continue. As you saw, the President today pointed up the very real benefits of the summer jobs program that this package will provide: 700,000 new summer jobs this summer for kids in inner cities and suburbs to do productive work. We are also going to point out the benefits of the highway money, the investments in highways. We're going to point up the benefits of immunization. We're going to point up the benefits of Head Start. We are going to say that the Republicans have a choice: they can take action to create jobs or they can perpetuate the gridlock of the last four years. Q Does it concern you, though, that the House now, the House Republicans are after you as well as the Senate? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The House Republicans voted against it before. They made a mistake then; they're making a mistake now. Q George, does it strike anybody in the administration that it's a bit strong to describe, as the President did this morning, the summer jobs program as -- quote -- ""a reaffirmation of a promise of America""? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Not at all. I think it's the promise of America to give kids a chance to reach their full potential. Q Government-funded jobs? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: To give people a chance to work? Absolutely. That is the promise of America. Q I want to follow up on something I asked yesterday -- where does 700,000 summer jobs, where does that figure come from? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That is on top of. I did look at it. There are currently 600,000 summer jobs in the pipeline. This will be on top of the 600,000, so it will be a total of 1.3 million. Q The 700,000 would be created by the stimulus package? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes. Q Where does that number come from? Because we've been told all along that the stimulus package would create 500,000 new jobs. And according to Panetta, that breaks down to something like 200,000 full-time jobs and 150,000 summer jobs. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes, but the summer -- that's when you do their full-time equivalence. I mean, 700,000 individuals will receive jobs this summer. When you calculate it for the full-time job effect, you have to do -- I don't know what the exact formula is. Q Seven hundred thousand part-time jobs -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: -- 150,000 or -- Q One to four because it's three months. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Thank you. Q Can I follow up on that? Did the President misspeak this morning when he said that some of the government money for these summer jobs will pay for private -- for kids to work in the private sector? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Not necessarily. I mean, I think that there will be grants available. That's one of the ways that you pay for the jobs. At the same time, he's also issued a challenge to the private sector to hire kids on their own as well. Q Tax dollars, for instance, would pay for kids to work at Time-Warner? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think the Time-Warner is actually somebody coming forward and actually doing a grant. That's going to be the bulk of it. There could be isolated instances, though, where there would be grants to businesses. Q Has the President spoken with any Senate Republicans this week? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, but there's been a lot of contact with Senate Republicans in the White House. Q At a lower level. But the President hasn't? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President has not, no. Q Getting any closer to get the votes? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We're continuing to work on it. Q Anybody leaning your way? Q On Haiti, The New York Times seems to be reporting something of a breakthrough in Aristide's attitude towards the coup leaders. Can you confirm that there has been this change, and what impact will it have on the process? And what did Pezzullo have to say yesterday in his report? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Pezzullo did brief the principals. I can't confirm what's actually happening in the talks. I would leave that to the negotiators themselves. But Mr. Caputo has returned to Haiti. We have received a briefing here at the White House from Ambassador Pezzullo. And as we have said time and time again, we believe that assurances of security are important to a final resolution to a broader political settlement. Q George, yesterday you offered some selective breakdowns of how the stimulus would impact some states and cities. Can we get a complete breakdown by state of how these jobs would be impacted? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think we have it for most states, yes. And I think we can get it out. Q Could you make that generally available? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I believe we can. Q And could you do it by the component of the stimulus? In other words -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know if we can do -- I know that we can do it by summer jobs and other jobs. I don't know how deeply it can be broken down. But clearly, we can break it down into summer jobs and other jobs. Q And can I follow up? Is this the information that Jeff Eller and the rest of the White House is using in the ads in the states? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know if they're ads, but they're press releases. Q Can you describe what those press releases contain? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: All we're doing is pointing out the benefits of this package to various states. For instance, I know that today Senator Dole is heading up to Vermont and New Hampshire. And I would point out that the stimulus package, the jobs package creates 1,000 jobs in Vermont. It creates 2,000 jobs in New Hampshire. And the people of those states should remind him that this is important. Q Where are the releases going? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: They go to the states. Q To whom? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We can get them. It's no problem. Q Can we get it? Q Why don't you put them out here as well? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think we can. Q This afternoon? Would that be possible? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'll have to check. I don't know. But as soon as we can. Q Are you focusing these press releases on states where there are moderate or pragmatic Republican senators? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think we're trying to get as many as we can. It's actually quite difficult to pull this together and we're doing our best. We're putting them out as we get them. Q Why are you so closely tracking Senator Dole's schedule? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I was just following it. Q Are press releases going along to states where he's visiting? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm not sure. I think that probably there are press releases going to Vermont. (Laughter.) Q Will there be a man in a chicken suit waiting? (Laughter.) Q George, as the President goes about the business of defending what's in his stimulus package, he doesn't address what seems to be the Republicans' main point, that you're funding it with deficit spending rather than ""if it's so important, why not come up with the funding for it"" seems to be the Republican argument. And how do you answer that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: What was answer is, we are paying for it over time. And if you look at our budget, we pay for this package over time. We believe right now the economy needs a jump- start for jobs. Q You're not claiming, are you, that that doesn't add to the deficit this year? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm saying we're paying for it over time. I didn't say that. Q I know that, George. But I mean, from the beginning, the question -- we do have annual budgets and things -- deficit spending will pay for that this year, will it not? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: This year they clearly will. But over time our budget fully pays for this program. Q What you're saying is that there are savings that would cover this if it were this year in future years? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Absolutely. That's exactly what I said. Q I know that, but there is going to be outstanding debt, it will add to the national debt from this year -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, we're reducing the deficit by $500 billion -- $514 billion over the next four years. Q You mean you're reducing it below what it would have been? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Exactly. Q In fact, you're adding a very large amount to the national debt over the period of -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: But we're reducing it far more from what it would have been. That's true. Q Washington-type reduction. (Laughter.) Q You're getting to be a grumpy old man. Q George, has any decision been made about the White House or the President's participation in the gay rights march coming up in a week and a half? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We're working on the President's schedule now. I believe he's going to be at the Senate Democratic retreat in Jamestown that weekend. Q Will he address it by phone? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know about that. It's a little far out, but I believe he's going to be in the Senate retreat. Q So will he have the leaders in a day or two before the speech? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know. I would expect that at some point he would meet with the leaders of some of these groups. I don't know the schedule on it, though. Q Will there be an AIDS czar appointed prior to or in conjunction with the event? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm just not sure. Q April 22nd is Earth Day. What is the President going to do to mark that, and is it the case that he is going to sign the biodiversity treaty that day? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I know there's been some work on the biodiversity treaty. I don't know about signing it that day, but I would expect he'll have a statement on Earth Day or right around then. Q Where is the work on the biodiversity treaty? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'd have to check with Katie McGinty. I just know that there's been some work done, but I don't know exactly what. Q When is Earth Day? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The 22nd, I think. Q Why is it you know that he is going to have a statement on Earth Day but you don't know if he's going to have a statement on the gay rights march? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I said I don't know if he's going to meet or when he's going to meet. Q Do you have a statement on the gay rights march? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't, actually, no. I wouldn't be surprised if he did, though. Q Do you have some details on the Miyazawa visit? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's a working visit on Friday and the President is looking forward to that in discussing a number of issues including Russian aid and the Japanese stimulus package and the trade issues between the two countries. Q There was some expectations that a second aid package to Russia was going to be unveiled at the G-7 meeting and, if I understand, it hasn't happened. Why is that or what's the status on that? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The G-7 meeting is still going on and, as you know, Secretaries Bentsen and Christopher have talked about the outlines of a possible package. But we're going to continue to consult with Congress and our G-7 allies on that. Q? We will not then make any kind of announcement during the two-day meeting? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The meeting's not over yet. Q Is that when you're going to make one? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm not ruling out the possibility. Q the President's going to announce it tomorrow. Q Bentsen said that. Q Yes, Bentsen said it would be tomorrow. Q So did Christopher. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'd have to look at that, but I believe it is more likely that the announcement will come out of Tokyo. Q George, has there been further consideration here about going to -- sending the President out to Los Angeles? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know that there's -- it's not something we've ruled out. We don't have a date set for it. Q George, you all have a position or do you support Immigration's plan to settle 4,000 Iraqi prisoners in the United States? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's the first I've heard of it. Q George, there was a report today about the -- Q Fortunately. (Laughter.) Q about the pace of appointments and says that President Clinton is behind President Bush in the number of positions that people have been nominated for. Are you going to speed up the pace of nominations or where do you stand with it? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We filled 814 of the President's appointments. And it's broken down -- we have 384 Schedule C; 147 noncareer SES; 213 PAS full-time. I'm not sure what that means -- (laughter) -- 70 PA full-time. And this is about the same -- it's about the same pace of President Bush. Obviously, as you move along farther, once you -- each level of appointment actually has a multiplier effect and frees up far more appointments. So we expect the process to speed up. But we're at the pace of Bush. Obviously we'd like to get these done as quickly as possible. I would point out that the FBI background checks and the background check is far more comprehensive and it takes more time than our predecessors, and that is part of the holdup. But we're working on it. Q Is that because of Nannygate? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think that's an awful big part of it, yes. Q In the story this morning, you were at approximately the same pace as Bush in making appointments, but way behind in winning confirmations. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That's where the background checks comes into play. That's the problem. Q That's the background checks problem? Because I mean, you have a Democratic Senate -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, that's not the -- you make the appointments, and then it takes quite a bit of time to fill out all the forms and have the background checks done. That's exactly where the problem is. Q What's the President doing this afternoon, and what's on the plan for tomorrow? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He's got some meetings -- just office meetings this afternoon for the most part, on a variety of issues that -- probably a half-dozen different issues. And then he'll be -- tomorrow we'll have an event, probably again focused on the stimulus and jobs package out of here at the White House. And Friday is the Miyazawa meeting. Q Will you be releasing his tax return tomorrow, George? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Either tomorrow or Friday. Q Is there going to be a pre-briefing regarding the Japanese Prime Minister's visit tomorrow? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know about tomorrow, but we'll probably get something done, as we usually do, for these visits. Q Was Reverend Jackson here this morning and do you know what that was about? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: He was here. He met with a group of us here at the White House, including Mack McLarty. Q Who? Q Reverend Jackson. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Reverend Jackson. Mack McLarty, me, Gene Sperling, Bruce Reed, Jeff Watson, Mark Gearan. Q Talking about Haiti? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We talked about general urban policy. He is about to go to Los Angeles. He was just back from Mississippi, where we had a good victory last night; and he's going on to Los Angeles. Q Did he request the meeting? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Actually, no. He's in continual contact with the President. He had written a letter on a variety of issues, and so we asked him to come in and talk about it. Q George, Dole is having a fundraiser for Jeffords tonight in Vermont. Have you guys been in contact with Jeffords at all on this? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think there's been some contact, sure. Q Can you tell us about the contacts? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm not sure -- Q Do you know who contacted him or what was said? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I know that Howard Paster talked to him and they just has a general talk about the package. Q And did he express his support for it now, or is he -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I can't divulge the details of the conversation, but there have been conversations. Q The L.A. Times is reporting that abortion -- elective abortions is likely to be included in the basic health care package. Is this something the President is considering? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again -- Q Along with the VAT? (Laughter.) MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: It's certainly something that's been looked at, but no decisions have been made. Q What was the question? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The L.A. Times story on whether abortions will be covered by the President's health plan. Q Did the President in his meeting -- did you in your meeting with Reverend Jackson ask his advice, solicit his advice about what kind of stance the White House should take in the wake of the verdict in L.A.? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, we certainly talked about the situation in Los Angeles and the long-term prospects for economic development and other issues. Q For instance, did you discuss whether it would be helpful for the President to go there or not? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, we discussed a wide range of issues related to Los Angeles. That was certainly one of them. Q Letting you perhaps go out on the way you came in, I need to go back to Bosnia just for a second and ask -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Oh, good. Q your reaction to Margaret Thatcher's comments that you're just sitting by and watching a massacre. MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, we've been pushing very hard on a number of fronts for more aggressive action. We will continue to do that. Q Can you tell us if you've made any progress in your talks on the stimulus package getting a compromise? I mean, we don't have any feel except talks are ongoing. Have you talked to like 20 people or -- MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I don't know the numbers. We've talked to several people and we've had wide-ranging sessions. Q Anyone leaning your way? MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I can't get into that. We're just going to keep working through Tuesday. THE PRESS: Thank you. END 1:10 P.M. EDT #56-04/14 ";-1;0 "From: so@eiffel.cs.psu.edu (Nicol C So) Subject: Re: Source of random bits on a Unix workstation Nntp-Posting-Host: eiffel.cs.psu.edu Organization: Penn State Computer Science Lines: 19 In article <897@pivot.sbi.com> bet@sbi.com (Bennett Todd @ Salomon Brothers Inc., NY ) writes: >This came up because I decided to configure up MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 security >for X11R5. For this to work you need to stick some bits that an intruder >can't guess in a file (readable only by you) which X client applications >read. They pass the bits back to the server when they want to establish a >connection. > >... >What I settled on was grabbing a bunch of traffic off the network. >Basically, I ran > > etherfind -u -x greater 0|compress > >and skipped over 10K of output, then grabbed my bits. As best I can tell, >these are bits that can be expected to be reasonably uniformly distributed, >and quite unguessable by an intruder. For your application, what you can do is to encrypt the real-time clock value with a secret key. ";-1;0 "From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) Subject: Program argument: geometry Organization: Oracle Europe Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I have a question regarding the processing of program arguments such as the -geometry option. Since this is a standard X option, I'm wondering wether I have to parse it manually or whether there is some predefined function that will do this for me? Thanks for any info --> Robret ";12;1 "From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Riddle me this... Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 19 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr20.050550.4660@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) writes: > Yet, the FBI mouthpiece at this afternoon's press conference characterized > the quantity of CS gas pumped into the building as ""massive"", and speculated > that after a few hours of exposure any Davidian gas masks would become > useless. > > Does this sound ""not harmful"" to you? Hm. A previous poster argued that the fact that the BD's did not rush to escape the burning building indicated that it was they, and not any of the government actions, that started the fire. On the other hand, I wonder if, with a face full of ""massive amounts of CS,"" *I* would be able to escape a burning tinder-box like that ranch house assuming my best efforts. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... ";-1;0 "From: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway) Subject: Re: DESIGNATED HITTER RULE Reply-To: wayne@ultra.com (Wayne Hathaway) Organization: Ultra Network Technologies Lines: 17 ekdfc@ttacs1.ttu.edu (David Coons): > > The rules say baseball is a game between two teams of nine > > players each. Let's keep it that way. niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent): > Not any more the rules don't say that. So that's a pretty dumb > argument. REALLY??? My little mind be boggled! I don't have a 1993 Rule Book yet, so David, would you please post the new wording of Rule 1.01 -- I am MIGHTILY curious! Much thanks. Wayne Hathaway domain: wayne@Ultra.COM Ultra Network Technologies uucp: ...!ames!ultra!wayne 101 Daggett Drive phone: 408-922-0100 x132 San Jose, CA 95134 FAX: 408-433-9287 ";-1;0 "From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Omnipotence (was Re: Speculations) Organization: sgi Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1993Apr5.171143.828@batman.bmd.trw.com>, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: |> In article <2942949719.2.p00261@psilink.com>, ""Robert Knowles"" writes: |> >>DATE: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 23:02:22 -0500 |> >>FROM: Nanci Ann Miller |> >> |> >> |> >>> > 3. Can god uncreate itself? |> >>> |> >>> No. For if He did, He would violate His own nature which He cannot do. |> >>> It is God's nature to Exist. He is, after all, the ""I AM"" which is |> >>> a statement of His inherent Existence. He is existence itself. |> >>> Existence cannot ""not-exist"". |> >> |> >>Then, as mentioned above, he must not be very omnipotent. |> >> |> |> What do you mean by omnipotent here? Do you mean by ""omnipotent"" |> that God should be able to do anything/everything? This creates |> a self-contradictory definition of omnipotence which is effectively |> useless. |> |> To be descriptive, omnipotence must mean ""being all-powerful"" and |> not ""being able to do anything/everything"". |> |> Let me illustrate by analogy. |> Suppose the United States were the only nuclear power on earth. Suppose |> further that the US military could not effectively be countered by any |> nation or group of nations. The US has the power to go into any country |> at any time for any reason to straighten things out as the leaders of the |> US see fit. The US would be militarily ""omnipotent"". Did you check with the Afghans before posting this? They might disagree. jon. ";-1;0 "From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards) Subject: Re: 86 chevy sprint Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 34 In Srinagesh Gavirneni writes: >I have a 86 chevy sprint with a/c and 4doors. It's odometer turned 90k >and the sensor light started blinking. I went to the dealer and he said >it was a maintenance light saying I need to change the Oxygen sensor. He >said, It is to be changed every 30k, but since I bought the car when it >had 77k, I don't know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k. He >quoted $198 for the part and $50 to install it. The part cost $30 >outside, but the mechanic I went to could not fix it saying the sensor >is placed too deep in the engine parts. He suggested I wait till it >malfunctions before I do anything. If anyone out there owns a chevy >sprint, I want to know how they got their Oxygen sensors changed. Also, >did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealer's help. Also, >what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction. > Any help would be greatly apprecisted > Thanks I sold my '86 Sprint last April with 95k on it. I'd driven it since the previous July, putting 20k miles on it. The sensor light used to light up regularly, starting about 5k miles after I bought it. My brother and I rebuilt the engine but used all of the original equipment, so I suppose the sensor could have used replacement. Performance (hah, if you could call it that) did not change. Perhaps emissions increased, but how much emissions could a CA-registered 3 cylinder engine produce? That was a neat car, I held the engine block easily in one hand! Has anyone ever driven the 'Turbo' variant? Just curious... Adam Edwards awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu ";-1;0 "From: rcbear@central (Rupert C. Young) Subject: Re: Weitek P9000 Future Plans Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: central.mit.edu In article <1qttufINN5dr@uniko.uni-koblenz.de> from [19 Apr 1993 10:12:31 GMT] you wrote: |> In article <1993Apr13.000531.25096@jetsun.weitek.COM> robert@weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon) writes: |> >In article <1q0n5pINN60m@uniko.uni-koblenz.de> hodgen@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (Wayne Hodgen) writes: |> > |> >>To sum up, when an accelerated board with 4MB VRAM (True Colour 1280x1024) |> >>AND A FAST VGA SIDE is available under $500, I will buy one. SuperMac just announced a new line of PC accelerated cards that do 1024x768 in 24bit color. They start at $999 retail. I don't think your wait will be very long. -Rupert ";5;1 "From: JBF101@psuvm.psu.edu Subject: same-sex marriages Organization: Penn State University Lines: 17 There has been some talk recently of Latin rites from the early Church used to bless same-sex unions.If anyone has any idea where copies of these rites exist (in whole or in part), please notify me by e-mail. (I understand that similar ceremonies written in Slavonic exist as well. Let me know where I can find these.) It doesn't matter whether the Latin rite is in the original or a translation. However, I would prefer to have an English version of the Slavon- ic rite, if it exists. Thanks in advance. Doug Hayes @ PSU [We've had questions about this in the past. The only source I know of is claims by John Boswell in some talks. He is said to be working on publication, but as far as I know, nothing is published yet. I haven't heard of any other source. If anyone knows of another source, please tell us. But I think we're going to have to wait for Boswell's publication to appear in order to see what he's really talking about. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: thomsonal@cpva.saic.com Subject: Cosmos 2238: an EORSAT Article-I.D.: cpva.15337.2bc16ada Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./San Diego Lines: 48 >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 15:40:47 GMT >I need as much information about Cosmos 2238 and its rocket fragment (1993- >018B) as possible. Both its purpose, launch date, location, in short, >EVERYTHING! Can you help? >-Tony Ryan, ""Astronomy & Space"", new International magazine, available from: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ocean Reconnaissance Launch Surprises West Space News, April 5-11, 1993, p.2 [Excerpts] Russia launched its first ocean reconnaissance satellite in 26 months March 30, confounding Western analysts who had proclaimed the program dead. The Itar-TASS news agency announced the launch of Cosmos 2238 from Plesetsk Cosmodrome, but provided little description of the payload's mission. However, based on the satellite's trajectory, Western observers identified it as a military spacecraft designed to monitor electronic emissions from foreign naval ships in order to track their movement. Geoff Perry of the Kettering Group in England... [said] Western observers had concluded that no more would be launched. But days after the last [such] satellite re-entered the Earth's atmosphere, Cosmos 2238 was launched. ""Cosmos-2238"" Satellite Launched for Defense Ministry Moscow ITAR-TASS World Service in Russian 1238 GMT 30 March 1993 Translated in FBIS-SOV-93-060, p.27 by ITAR-TASS correspondent Veronika Romanenkova Moscow, 30 March -- The Cosmos-2238 satellite was launched at 1600 Moscow time today from the Baykonur by a ""Tsiklon-M"" carrier rocket. An ITAR-TASS correspondent was told at the press center of Russia's space-military forces that the satellite was launched in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry. Parameters Given Moscow ITAR-TASS World Service in Russian 0930 GMT 31 March 1993 Translated in FBIS-SOV-93-060, p.27 Moscow, 31 March -- Another artificial Earth satellite, Cosmos-2238, was launched on 30 March from the Baykonur cosmodrome. The satellite carries scientific apparatus for continuing space research. The satellite has been placed in an orbit with the following parameters: initial period of revolution--92.8 minutes; apogee--443 km; perigee--413 km; orbital inclination--65 degrees. Besides scientific apparatus the satellite carries a radio system for the precise measurement of orbital elements and a radiotelemetry system for transmitting to Earth data about the work of the instruments and scientific apparatus. The apparatus aboard the satellite is working normally. ";-1;0 "From: gerhard@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Gerhard Fohler) Subject: phone number of wycliffe translators UK Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA Lines: 15 Sorry for bothering with a request almost irrelevant to anyone except for me: Could some kind soul provide me with the phone number of wycliffe center horsley green high wycomb bucks hp 14 3 xl I want to surprise a friend of mine staying there, but I don't have the number. thanks a lot in advance Gerhard [Obviously email response is best. What do people think of requests like this? Unless things are very different in the UK and US, it should be possible to find this out by calling what we call ""information"". The netwide cost of a posting is fairly significant. --clh] ";17;1 "From: dotsonm@dmapub.dma.org (Mark Dotson) Subject: Fragmentation Organization: Dayton Microcomputer Association; Dayton, Ohio X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 49 The primary problem in human nature is a ""fragmentation of being."" Humans are in a state of tension, a tension of opposites. Good and evil are the most thought provoking polarities that come to mind. The Bible provides us with many examples of the fragmentation of being. The warring opposites within us are a product of man's rebellion against God, which is described so vividly in the pages of the Scriptures. Man was created with the order to become a god. Those were the words of St. Basil in the fourth century. What he was trying to say was that God created man to be a partaker of the divine nature. In the Eastern Orthodox Church, this is called ""theosis,"" or ""deification."" One can also say that man was created to be whole, i.e. spirit, soul, and body operating in unison. The story of Adam and Eve is a picture of the archetypal humans before obtaining moral consciousness. Theirs was a harmonious relationship with each other, the world, and the Creator. That innocent harmony was shattered when they disobeyed God, their natural wholeness falling apart into two seemingly irreconcilable halves. Immediately, guilt and fear was manifested in their lives. They become bound to hardship, toil, and suffering. This is symbolized in their exile from the paradisiac state. The beast in the jungle does not possess moral consciousness. If it were to receive this self-awareness, the knowledge of good and evil, its paradisiac state would also be destroyed. Was it the intention of the Creator to leave man in this state of innocence all the days of his existence on earth? Or was the gaining of self-awareness carefully staged by God, who did not desire that His masterpiece, mankind, be a blissful idiot? God must have known that, for mankind to achieve any kind of moral value, he must pass through a confrontation with the opposites. There is no other way to achieve union with God. Jesus Christ is the answer to the problem of the warring polarities. He was the perfectly integrated individual, reconciling the opposites, and making it possible for us to be integrated, i.e. to become God, not in His essence, but in His energies. The opposites is THE Christian problem. The Apostle Paul describes it with the utmost precision in Romans 7:15-24. And he follows with the answer to his dilemma in vs 25. Mark ";-1;0 "From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) Subject: Refresh rates of NEC 5fgx? Nntp-Posting-Host: csclass.utdallas.edu Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas Lines: 5 Can someone tell me the maximum horizontal and vertical refresh rates of the NEC 5fgx.(not the 5fge) Thanks. ";-1;0 "From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Theist Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 20 Pixie (dl2021@andy.bgsu.edu) wrote: : For all the problems technology has caused, your types have made : things even worse. Must we be reminded of the Inquisition, Operation : Rescue, the Ku Klux Klan, Posse Comitatus, the 700 Club, David Duke, Salem : Witch Trials, the Crusades, gay bashings, etc. : PLUS virtually each and every single war, regardless of the level of : technology, has had theistic organizations cheering on the carnage : (chaplains, etc.), and claiming that god was in favor of the whole ordeal. : Don't forget to pray for our troops! : This is really tedious. Every bad thing that's ever happened is because the malefactors were under the influence of religion - does anyone -really- believe that. I've seen it so often it must be a pretty general opinion in a.a, but I want to believe that atheists are really not THAT dishonest. Please, stick to the facts and, having accomplished that, interpret them correctly. Bill ";9;1 "From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: Intravenous antibiotics Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr19.144358.28376@spectrum.xerox.com> leisner@eso.mc.xerox.com writes: :I recently had a case of shingles and my doctors wanted to give me :intravenous Acyclovir. : :It was a pain finding IV sites in my arms...can I have some facts about :how advantageous it is to give intravenous antibiotics rather than oral? : I think some essential information must be missing here, i.e., you must be suffering from a condition which has caused immunosuppression. There is no indication for IV acyclovir for shingles in an otherwise healthy person. The oral form can help to reduce the length of symptoms, and may even help prevent the development of post-herpetic neuralgia, but I certainly would not subject someone to IV therapy without a good reason. To address your more general question, IV therapy does provide higher and more consistently high plasma and tissue levels of a drug. For treating a serious infection this is the only way to be sure that a patient is getting adequate drug levels. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ";-1;0 "From: ianchan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ian Hin Yun Chan) Subject: Need help on... Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 24 I need help on 4 components: BAT85 diode ----------- I know Digi-key or Newark sells them, but the minimum order is 25! Does anyone know where I can get smaller orders of this diode, or an equivalent replacement? BC546B transistor ----------------- Ditto for this transistor. 74HC239 chip ------------ Digi-key, Newark and Mouser do not appear to carry ths chip - does anyone know what this does and where I can obtain it? YM3623B chip ------------ This Yamaha chip decodes S/PDIF data (from CD or DAT). Where can I obtain one of these? Thanks in advance, - Ian ";-1;0 "From: mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) Subject: Re: Pens Info needed Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus.math.jyu.fi Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland Lines: 32 In article umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes: >Hmmm...I also heard through the grapevine that Team Finland might try and >leave a spot open for at least one NHLer. (Some guy named Sel{nne, ever >hear of him? :) They might have to be content with Kurri, though, I hope. :) True, coach Matikainen is ready to keep a spot for Teemu all the way until the medal games. He wants Teppo Numminen, too. And Kurri, but for them the spots cannot be left open for too long. Esa Tikkanen we have already. Even without these players I think we have pretty good team. Young, hungry, talented guys, no old players that have got everything (except the gold). Yesterday's practise game, SWE-FIN 6-6, shows that the two world's best hockey teams ;) are in prime shape. The Finn line Riihijarvi(slightly injured)-Saarikoski-Viitakoski shined. I bet these two teams are the best in the NHL, too. Roger, Roger? What do you people think about Team Canada with Lindros, Brind'Amour, Burke, Ranford, Recchi, Dineen...? Can they beat the Finns:? Coaching news: Alpo Suhonen (ex-Jets) to Jokerit (now verified), Boris Majorov (ex-Jokerit) to Tappara, Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks (assistant coach), Sakari Pietila to Lulea (silver team in Elite-serien) FW Mikko Makela (ex-TPS) to Malmo IF. G Markus Ketterer (Jokerit) still has no contract. FW Timo Saarikoski to Jokerit, watch out for him in next week. ";-1;0 "From: brandt@cs.unc.edu (Andrew Brandt) Subject: Seeking good Alfa Romeo mechanic. Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: axon.cs.unc.edu Keywords: alfa, romeo, spider, mechanic I am looking for recommendations for a good (great?) Alfa Romeo mechanic in South Jersey or Philadelphia or nearby. I have a '78 Alfa Spider that needs some engine, tranny, steering work done. The body is in quite good shape. The car is awful in cold weather, won't start if below freezing (I know, I know, why drive a Spider if there's snow on the ground ...). It has Bosch *mechanical* fuel injection that I am sure needs adjustment. Any opinions are welcome on what to look for or who to call. Email or post (to rec.autos), I will summarize if people want. Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu) ";-1;0 "From: schwarze@starbase1.caltech.edu (Erich Schwarz) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Hillary and Chealsea Don't Like Men in Uniform Organization: CalTech, Div. of Biology Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: anise.bio.caltech.edu In article , ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) wrote: > Top Ten Reasons Hillary and Chealsea Don't Like Men in Uniform > ^^^^^^^^ > [...] > > 6. They keep saluting and stuff. Its embarassing. > ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ > [...] > Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993 Ed: Before you ridicule the intelligence of other people, LEARN TO SPELL. Your typographical errors are, indeed, ""embarassing"" to those of us who read alt.politics.libertarian for its allegedly superior ideas and writing. --Erich Schwarz / schwarze@starbase1.caltech.edu ";18;1 "From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Article-I.D.: netcom.bprofaneC51wHz.HIo Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 39 In article lex@optimla.aimla.com (Lex van Sonderen) writes: >In article erik@westworld.esd.sgi.com (Erik Fortune) writes: >>> better than CDI >>*Much* better than CDI. >Of course, I do not agree. It does have more horsepower. Horsepower is not >the only measurement for 'better'. It does not have full motion, full screen >video yet. Does it have CD-ROM XA? > >>> starting in the 4 quarter of 1993 >>The first 3DO ""multiplayer"" will be manufactured by panasonic and will be >>available late this year. A number of other manufacturers are reported to >>have 3DO compatible boxes in the works. >Which other manufacturers? >We shall see about the date. A 3DO marketing rep. recently offered a Phillips marketing rep. a $100 bet that 3DO would have boxes on the market on schedule. The Phillips rep. declined the bet, probably because he knew that 3DO players are already in pre-production manufacturing runs, 6 months before the commercial release date. By the time of commercial release, there will be other manufacturers of 3DO players announced and possibly already tooling up production. Chip sets will be in full production. The number of software companies designing titles for the box will be over 300. How do I know this? I was at a bar down the road from 3DO headquarters last week. Some folks were bullshitting a little too loudly about company business. >>All this information is third hand or so and worth what you paid for it:-). >This is second hand, but it still hard to look to the future ;-). > >Lex van Sonderen >lex@aimla.com >Philips Interactive Media ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What an impartial source! ";-1;0 "From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr21.164554.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu>, parys@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes: > I told some friends of mine two weeks ago that Koresh was dead. The FBI and > the BATF could not let a man like that live. He was a testimonial to their > stupidity and lies. > [...deleted...] Unfortunately, I think you've got it figured pretty well. I also ask myself the question ""Why did they plan for so many months. Why was this so important to them? What was the government really up to? Why did they seal the warrant? Were they after Koresh or were they after the first and second amendments, among others? > > We waited 444 days for our hostages to come home from Iran. We gave these > people 51 days. > -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Joe Gaut | In the super-state, it really does not | matter at all what actually happened. Remember the Alamo | Truth is what the government chooses to Remember Waco | tell you. Justice is what it wants to happen. --Jim Garrison, New Orleans, La. ";-1;0 "From: bentz@blustone.uucp (Ray Bentz) Subject: SPARC IPC Sprite goes off screen Organization: Bluestone Consulting Inc. Lines: 21 Environment: X11R4 Motif 1.1.4 Sun IPC 4.1.3 Problem: When mouse is moved across screen horizontally, the sprite goes off of the edge of the screen and reappears at the *other* edge. It appears that the server thinks we are running in multi-screen mode; the cursor seems to ""wrap"" from one side of the screen to the other. As far as we can tell, we are not running the server in multi-screen mode. Please reply via E-mail. -- Ray Bentz Phone: (609)727-4600 Bluestone Consulting, Inc. Fax: (609)778-8125 1200 Church Street uunet: uunet!blustone!bentz Mount Laurel, NJ 08054 Internet: blustone!bentz@uunet.uu.net ";-1;0 "From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) Subject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for MC B Nntp-Posting-Host: harley.tti.com Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association Lines: 22 In article <5967@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes: + +I know of no law, either on the books or proposed, that bans motorcycles +from any place that i want to go to. Many private places ban bikes. For example, the famous 17 mile drive at the Monterrey Peninsula. And I have stayed at resorts that sported a ""No motorcycles allowed"" sign at the entrance. And there have been public places. Call the AMA and ask for Jim Bensberg (sp?) or any one else in their Legislative Office. They will recound the many public places that they had to bring to court to reverse their ban on bikes. That includes everything from public parks to full cities. There are probably a few fights on their books as we now speak. That is another good reason to donate to their legislative fund. ____________________________________________________________________________ Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired -- R. Geis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2 KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905) Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA ";-1;0 "From: daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (S.F. Davis) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Organization: NSPC Distribution: na Lines: 107 In article <1quule$5re@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: |> |> AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce |> May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. |> |> Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? |> |> Anyone want to go? |> |> pat Here are some selected excerpts of the invitation/registration form they sent me. Retyped without permission, all typo's are mine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Low-Cost Lunar Access: A one-day conference to explore the means and benefits of a rejuvenated human lunar program. Friday, May 7, 1993 Hyatt Regency - Crystal City Hotel Arlington, VA ABOUT THE CONFERENCE The Low-Cost Lunar Access conference will be a forum for the exchange of ideas on how to initiate and structure an affordable human lunar program. Inherent in such low-cost programs is the principle that they be implemented rapidly and meet their objectives within a short time frame. [more deleted] CONFERENCE PROGRAM (Preliminary) In the Washington Room: 9:00 - 9:10 a.m. Opening Remarks Dr. Alan M. Lovelace 9:10 - 9:30 a.m. Keynote Address Mr. Brian Dailey 9:30 - 10:00 a.m. U.S. Policy Outlook John Pike, American Federation of Scientists A discussion of the prospects for the introduction of a new low-cost lunar initiative in view of the uncertain direction the space program is taking. 10:00 - 12:00 noon Morning Plenary Sessions Presentations on architectures, systems, and operational concepts. Emphasis will be on mission approaches that produce significant advancements beyond Apollo yet are judged to be affordable in the present era of severely constrained budgets In the Potomac Room 12:00 - 1:30 p.m. Lunch Guest Speaker: Mr. John W. Young, NASA Special Assistant and former astronaut In the Washington Room 1:30 - 2:00 p.m. International Policy Outlook Ian Pryke (invited) ESA, Washington Office The prevailing situation with respect to international space commitments, with insights into preconditions for European entry into new agreements, as would be required for a cooperative lunar program. 2:00 - 3:30 p.m. Afternoon Plenary Sessions Presentations on scientific objectives, benefits, and applications. Emphasis will be placed on the scientific and technological value of a lunar program and its timeliness. --------------------------------------------------------------------- There is a registration form and the fee is US$75.00. The mail address is American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics Dept. No. 0018 Washington, DC 20073-0018 and the FAX No. is: (202) 646-7508 or it says you can register on-site during the AIAA annual meeting and on Friday morning, May 7, from 7:30-10:30 Sounds interesting. Too bad I can't go. |--------------------------------- ******** -------------------------| | * _!!!!_ * | | Steven Davis * / \ \ * | | daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov * () * | | * \>_db_ spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes: | What I *am* annoyed about is the fact that we were led to believe that | we *would* be able to upgrade to a multiprocessor version of the | Crimson without the assistance of a fork lift truck. It should have been made fairly clear that the *most* Crimson would ever get was a 150 (75 old style) MHz CPU upgrade. Certainly this was mentioned on comp.sys.sgi on more than one occasion as being likely. If our sales folks were saying otherwise, they were either confused, or less than honest/ethical, or somebody further up the chain inside SGI was misleading them. | I'm also annoyed about being sold *several* Personal IRISes at a | previous site on the understanding *that* architecture would be around | for a while, rather than being flushed. There were 4 versions (20, 25, 30, 35), although admittedly the 30 came out at the same time as the 35, over a period of 2 1/2 years. The chassis simply couldn't be pushed any further. I'd say 4 years was a pretty good lifespan, myself, for a system design in this day and age. Getting the 35 to work caused a lot of gray hairs in both the hardware and product design groups; we would have been out of our minds to push it further, and I *know* that was made clear, almost from the day the 35 started shipping. We had one last kicker in the form of the Elan graphics, which made 3 graphics versions over its lifespan, which I also think is pretty good. | Now I understand that SGI is responsible to its investors and has to | keep showing a positive quarterly bottom line (odd that I found myself | pressured on at least two occasions to get the business on the books | just before the end of the quarter), but I'm just a little tired of | getting boned in the process. Please, by all means send a complaint letter through SGI support or sales on your concerns. There should be no reason for sales folks to misrepresent future upgrades to customers (sure, sometimes there will be confusion for a while, over whether an upgrade will be available, but that shouldn't last too long, and doesn't seem to be what you are referring to). Yes, the sales folks *do* get bonus's at the end of some (all?) quarters, but that is pretty common industry wide, and sometimes that can result in good deals for customers (sometimes it probably pushes folks into systems that aren't what they need, I'm sure, but nobody is *forcing* you to buy at end of quarter, after all...) | Maybe it's because my lab buys SGIs in onesies and twosies, so we | aren't entitled to a ""peek under the covers"" as the Big Kids (NASA, | for instance) are. This lab, and I suspect that a lot of other labs They don't get all that long a lead time either; although certainly they get presentations on possible new products, and their opinions may well influence the end product, but that also is life in the industry. We can't design systems that meet just their needs, or we won't sell too many systems, after all (which is not to say that we don't have some niche products, like Reality Engine). | and organizations, doesn't have a load of money to spend on computers | every year, so we can't be out buying new systems on a regular basis. | The boxes that we buy now will have to last us pretty much through the | entire grant period of five years and, in some case, beyond. That | means that I need to buy the best piece of equipment that I can when I | have the money, not some product that was built, to paraphrase one | previous poster's words, 'to fill a niche' to compete with some other | vendor. I'm going to be looking at this box for the next five years. | And every time I look at it, I'm going to think about SGI and how I | could have better spent my money (actually *your* money, since we're | supported almost entirely by Federal tax dollars). But surely you don't expect a system you buy now for a five year period to be constantly upgradable over that entire five year period? That's a rather unreasonable expectation, in my experience (with workstations/microcomputers). Supported, and parts available, yes, but certainly not upgradable to the latest and greatest! | Now you'll have to pardon me while I go off and hiss and fume in a | corner somewhere and think dark, libelous thoughts. I missed your first posting, but as I say, by all means share your frustation with somebody at a level inside SGI where it might have an effect (not immediate, I'm sure, but complaints aren't going to be ignored, and *may* affect future plans, if we hear similar things from more than one person/site). All of the above is, as usual, my personal opinion, not SGI's. -- Let no one tell me that silence gives consent, | Dave Olson because whoever is silent dissents. | Silicon Graphics, Inc. Maria Isabel Barreno | olson@sgi.com PS: I start my sabbatical 29 May, ask those questions now ;) ";-1;0 "Nntp-Posting-Host: fac-csr.byu.edu Lines: 24 From: ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) Subject: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) Organization: Fine Arts and Communications -- Brigham Young University I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! --- Sean Eckton Computer Support Representative College of Fine Arts and Communications D-406 HFAC Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)378-3292 hfac_csr@byu.edu ecktons@ucs.byu.edu ";-1;0 "From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Article-I.D.: hydra.91528 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 19 In article umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes: >They were, and even if Washington might consider Patty a bust, I'd rework >that trade in a minute. Druce has been a complete and utter bust here, >only 5 goals. Well, Druce pretty much sucked when he was with the Caps. He had one good **playoffs** (not season). oh well. The Caps are notorious for making stupid trades anyway, as can be seen with the Cicarelli and Hrivnak trades. Sigh. In another note... I'd have to say the Caps biggest surprise was Cote, as many Caps fans had been expecting a lot from Bondra already. -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: kubovich@iastate.edu (Mark W Kubovich) Subject: Common-mode noise and small signals Keywords: noise common mode Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 20 I have never worked with really small signals before and have a few questions about low level noise. I have noticed that the waveform synthesizer that I am using (Analogic 2020) has some relatively large common mode noise on it. I am using this synthesizer to 'null' out another transient waveform and am amplifying the difference (~200uV) several hundred times. The 2020 has about 1-3 mVp-p of common mode noise and this tends to make my measurements hard to repeat. (The noise is not quite in sync with line frequency, and on a spectrum analyzer, the main component is about 64Hz). How can I get rid of the noise? When I look at the spectrum using an HP 3582A (audio range analyzer), the noise goes away the minute I switch to 'isolation' on the input. I am guessing the anlayzer has a diff amp on the input since it will read accurately down to DC. Also, if I use a differential amplifier (IA) to solve the problem, how important is it to use one of these 'shield drivers' (an amp connected to the shield in sort of a feedback loop to remove trouble caused by different cable capacitances)? If anyone can suggest a good IC IA for use with transient signals with content from 1KHz to about 300KHz, I would appreciate it. ";-1;0 "From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Reply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se Distribution: world Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England Lines: 50 Nntp-Posting-Host: bangkok Paul Hudson Jr (hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu) writes: >I was not directly going to come up with a moral argument for the existence >of God. Rather, I was trying to show the absurdity of atheistic materialist >relatavists trying to embrace some common moral system as though it were >absolute. Man knows in his heart that there is right and wrong. We have >all inherited this knowledge. No matter how ""absurd"" it is to suggest that a common moral system created by mankind is absolute, it is not contrary to reason to suggest that a common moral system created by mankind is sensible. In fact, for the Bible to be of any use to mankind as a moral code, it must be interpreted by mankind and a workable moral system created for everyday use. The Jewish Talmud is the result of centuries of Biblical scholars analysing every word of the Torah to understand the morality behind it. The Children of Israel were given a very strict set of Moral, Civil, Judicial and Ceremonial Laws to follow and yet this was clearly not enough to cover every instance of moral dilemma in their Society. For a Christian, the situation is no better. It seems to me that the only code of morality that we have from the Judeo- Christian God is that which is contained in the Bible (which we can see from the diverse opinions in the Christian newsgroups is not clear). There may well be an absolute morality defined by the Judeo-Christian God for mankind to follow but it seems that we only have a subset simply because the concept was written down by man. This leads to the problem of defining morality for our society. If we take the divine Morality then we have a code of practice which may be interpreted in many different ways (as an example, consider the immolation of heretics in the fifteenth century and the interpretation of the Bible which allows a man to do that to another man under the precept to administer Justice). If we take an agnostic Morality then we have a code of practice that can be modified to suit society (with all the danger that this implies). Alternatively, we could take the basis of the Judeo-Christian morality and interpret/extend this to create and justify a code of morality which suits the society we live in and enables the people to live Righteously (as many Christian and Non-Christian philosophers have done). Whatever the driving force behind the definition of morality for our society, I think the important aspect is the result. David. --- On religion: ""Oh, where is the sea?"", the fishes cried, As they swam its clearness through. ";-1;0 "From: schnitzi@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: University of Central Florida Lines: 70 db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: >Mark Schnitzius writes: >>> Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since >>>the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. >> >>This is something I've always found confusing. If all your nerve endings >>die with your physical body, why would flame hurt you? How can one ""wail >>and gnash teeth"" with no lungs and no teeth? >One can feel physical pain by having a body, which, if you know the >doctrine of the resurrection of the body, is what people will have after >the great judgement. ""We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the >life of the world to come."" - Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. You >will have both body and soul in hell - eventually. Now this is getting interesting! I was raised Roman Catholic before becoming an atheist, so I have stated this Creed you quote nearly every Sunday until I was about 18. For some reason, I always took the 'resurrection' in this statement to mean the resurrection of the soul, but I guess resurrection does strictly mean the raising of the physical body. I have some questions on this point: 1. I always thought that Christians believe the descent into hell was pretty much immediate, and that there are people burning in hell right now. You seem to be implying that it will not occur until after the ""great judgement"" (which I read as meaning the proverbial Judgment Day). I was always a little confused on this point, even when I was with the church -- maybe someone can clear it up for me. Where will my ""soul"" (which, by the way, I don't believe in) exist until that time? 2. Will the new body I will have be created out of the same atoms that my body now is made of, or will it be built from scratch? My physical body now is susceptible to aging, etc. -- so I guess my new body will have to be radically different in order to be immortal so it can be tortured for all eternity? 3. Since I will have a physical body, I assume it will need a physical place to exist in -- where is this hell? In the center of the earth? Do you think we could find it if we dig? Mark Schnitzius schnitzi@eola.cs.ucf.edu Univ. of Central Florida [There is not complete agreement on the details of the afterlife. I think the most common view is that final disposition does not occur until a final judgement, which is still in the future. In the meantime, some believe that people ""sleep"" until the final resurrection (or because God is above time, pass directly from death to the future time when the resurrection occurs), while others believe that souls have a disembodied, pre-resurrection existence until then. There are probably other alternatives that I'm omitting. The new body is generally conceived of being implemented in a different ""technology"" than the current one, one which is not mortal. (Paul talks about the mortal being raised to immortality, and Jesus' resurrected body -- which is the first example -- clearly was not subject to the same kind of limitations as ours.) It is assumed that there are enough similarities that people will recognize each other, but I don't think most people claim to know the details. I don't think I'd say it's the same atoms. I'd assume there would be some analog of a physical place, but I wouldn't expect to find it under the earth or up in the sky. I'd suspect that it's in another dimension, outside this physical world, or whatever. But again, we have little in the way of details. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: static@iat.holonet.net (Joe Ehrlich) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058/modem Lines: 19 Oh boy, a little K-bike versus /2 scuffling? Grow up! And that goes for the both of you! I do hope that the ""dump dempster"" campaign works however. I think that he is a crook, and I am suprised that it has taken this long for anything to be done (though obviously, it ain't over yet) On the other hand, I'm not sure that I want to be in bed with ANY of the wackos running. Throwing $20.oo down a rathole might be more effective than sending it in to the club. You wouldn't get anything, but you don't get anything now. The magazine you say? Ever since the MOA politburo installed Don it has lacked any sort of panache it may have had. Ah, but what would I know? I own a /6 AND a K-bike static MOA 20297 ";-1;0 "From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) Subject: History, Its Dangerous Nntp-Posting-Host: vladimir.wetware.com Reply-To: drieux@wetware.com Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper Lines: 43 In article AJv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu, mrynders@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Maurice Rynders) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.143224.23273@alleg.edu> meyerj (Jon Meyer) writes: >>In article <1993Apr5.073813.5246@nwnexus.WA.COM> pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter >>D. Hampe) writes: >>> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes: >>> >>> >pps: Why is there Still NO CALL to end Clinton's Illegal >>> >war in Somalia????? >>> >>> Hold on there tex - it's not his war. Everybody knows that >>> its Part of the ReaganBushLegacy. > ^^^^^^? >> >>Yeah, sure. They created the starvation there. They put the warlords >>there. Yep. Sure. Been brainwashed by the media, haven't you? > >He probably is. By the way: what has Reagan to do with this any way? I >bet most people had never even heard of Somalia, during the Reagan >administration! Ok boys and girls, ""What was the 'Ogadan War'????"" The Money Raised in Band-Aid covered How Much of the Cost of Which Soviet Client State to replace what catagory of weapon system lost in the aforementioned war? Why was the Joke: ""We arm the World."" Really Not that funny? Gonzo Station is the designation for WHICH USN Op Area? and the primary threat targets in the Area Were:..... ciao drieux --- ""All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy! All Hands to the Big Sea of COMedy!"" -Last Call of the Wild of the Humour Lemmings ";18;1 "From: karenb@westford.ccur.com (Karen Bircsak) Subject: lost in (TekHVC color) space Article-I.D.: westford.1993Apr6.160748.3794 Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford, MA Lines: 33 (please respond via email!) Has anybody actually seen the Tek color space stuff working? I'm not having any luck with either the xtici editor from export.lcs.mit.edu or with O'Reilly's ftp-able example xcms from ftp.uu.net. The O'Reilly example fails for almost every set of inputs because XcmsTekHVCQueryMaxV returns a smaller value than XcmsTekHVCQueryMinV does (which makes no sense to me). The xtici editor fails in XcmsStoreColors, apparently because the mathematical manipulations of the color specs results in invalid values. So you can't actually edit any colors. We have X11 R5 patch level 22; 8-bit pseudoColor visual. I've poked around in the xcms code in Xlib, but without some understanding of the theory I have no idea what's going wrong. Can somebody confirm if either of the above-mentioned programs work on their systems, or let me know if they fail for you too? Please include what hardware/software/patch levels you have. Any hints? Please respond with email as I don't regularly read this group. Thanks, Karen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karen Bircsak Concurrent Computer Corporation karenb@westford.ccur.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: Christians that are not church members Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 69 In article gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM writes: >Over the years, I have met Christians who are not associated with >any local church and are not members of any local church. This is >an issue that may be very personal, but is important. What does >the Bible say about this and how can we encourage our friends with >regard to this issue? This brings up an interesting subject that has not been discussed much, and probably has not been studied much. As some of you may be aware, I've posted a lot of articles lately on personality typing (of which the MBTI is a test vehicle). To come up to speed, just read 'alt.psychology.personality' and/or ask for by personality type summary file. One observation is that people have significantly different personalities (no question on this) which seem to be essentially in-born. With respect to church attendance and participation, some people thrive on this, while other people have real difficulty with this because they prefer a more solitary and contemplative lifestyle - that is, they are de-energized if confronted with excessive closeness to outside activities and lots of people. Of course this is measured by extroversion/introversion. My impression is that many churches are totally blind to this fact, and create environments that 'scare away' many who are naturally introverted (there are many introverted characters in the Bible, btw). I know, I am quite introverted in preference, and find the 'pressure' by many churches to participate, to meet together in large groups, etc., to be very uncomfortable. Knowing what I know now, these churches have been overly influenced by highly extroverted people who thrive on this sort of thing. (BTW, there's nothing wrong with either extroversion or introversion, both preferences have their place in the Body). Maybe I should define extrovert/introvert more carefully since these words are usually not used correctly in our culture. The extrovert/introvert scale is a measure of how a person is energized. The following is excerpted from my summary: 1. Energizing - How a person is energized: Extroversion (E)- Preference for drawing energy from the outside world of people, activities or things. Introversion (I)- Preference for drawing energy from one's internal world of ideas, emotions, or impressions. Hopefully this will elicit further discussion as to how churches can structure themselves to meet the real needs of the people who comprise the Body of Christ, instead of trying to change people's personalities to fit them into a particular framework. I'm sure there are other aspects of how churches have not properly understood personality variances among their members to the detriment of all. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. ";-1;0 "From: ruegg@med.unc.edu (Robert G. Ruegg) Subject: Re: Eugenics Summary: errata Keywords: gene pool; wisdom; virtue Nntp-Posting-Host: naples.med.unc.edu Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine Lines: 7 Thanks to Tarl Neustaedter of MA for kindly letting me know that my reference in prior post to Orwell and ""1984"" should probably have been to Huxley and ""Brave New World."" Sorry, Al. Bob (ruegg@med.unc.edu) ";-1;0 "From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Nntp-Posting-Host: fishlab3.fsh.mtu.edu Organization: Help, my server's fallen, and can't get up (MTU) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 185 In article jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) wrote: > In article <1q96tpINNpcn@gap.caltech.edu> arc@cco.caltech.edu > (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: > >The Second Amendment is a guarantee of the right to bear arms. Clearly > >and unequivocally, without infringement. > Unfortunately the Second Amendment is not as clear as you state. If last > part of it is taken along, it follows what you have said. The problem > I have is with the first part of the single sentence which makes up the > amendment. The Second Amendment is: > A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security ^^^^^^^ Militia > of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear ^^^^^ State > arms, shall not be infringed. ^^^^ Arms You didn't even get the capitalization correct! Try reading USCA on the Constitution, or get any other CORRECT version of the Constitution. > This mention of a well regulated militia is what confuses me. According > to the Federalist Paper's, a well regulated militia has a well defined > structure and follows nationally uniform regulations. Perhaps you should actually READ the Federalist Papers!! James Madison, Federalist Paper 46: ""Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, 8 June 1789: ""The right of the people to keep and bear... arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..."" Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper 29 (on the organization of the militia): ""Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year."" Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper 29 (speaking of standing armies): ""... if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^***** own rights and those of their fellow-citizens."" ***^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ But *surely* Hamilton and Madison didn't mean the PEOPLE when they said ""people"", right? That's why the Amendment refers to ""the Right of the Militia""?... ;-) > Your average > 17-45 year old male does not fall into the definition. You're right, the Militia consists of ALL able bodied males (and probably females under current interpretation). > Therefore most > members of The Militia, the one the every gun advocate refers to, are > not members of a well organized militia and therefore are not directly The Amendment does nor refer to ""well organized"", it says ""well regulated"". I have some targets you may examine if you wish to check how _well regulated_ I am. > mentioned in the amendment. > If this amendment wanted to allow every member of The Militia to keep > and bear arms, why did it specificly mention a ""well organized militia"" > in the SAME SENTENCE as the right to keep and bear arms? Correct. That's why the Right is reserved to the People. And that was to insure the People could form a ""well regulated Militia"", not a ""well organized militia"". > It could be > argued that the first part of the sentence is separate from the last > part. If so, why was it include in the same atomic unit of written What do Atomic Units have to do with this argument? Any moron can set h_bar = C = 1... > instead of a separate sentence? Oh, I see what your question is; Why don't you read the federalist Papers?! James Madison, Federalist Paper 41 (regarding the ""General Welfare"" clause): ""Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars."" But what does Madison know about the grammatical style of the 2nd? He only wrote it. > The amendment also implies that the right to arms has to due with > the security of a free state. The Federalist Paper's mention of a > well regulated militia gives many examples of how this militia protects > the security of a free state. All these examples are actions of a > very organized force, not some John Q. Public with a gun. That's obviously because you've never actually *read* the Federalist Papers. > All that the Second Amendment clearly states to me is that the people's > right to form well regulated militias shall not be infringed. That is > people have the right to join a well organized militia. This well > organized militia will, of course, provide training in how to use arms > and in basic military tactics. These training members of the militia > can keep and bear the arms. Can't read, huh? Show me where the document says ""well organized militia"". > Lastly, reading through the Federalist Paper's on well organized > militia it is very clear that many of the reasons for these militias. > One reason stated is the protection from a standing army. These days > the standing army could easily defeat a group consisting of every > 17-45 year old male and female not in the armied forces. That is *exactly* why EVERY PERSON should be allowed to own *any* weapon currently in use in the armed forces. > Another > reason stated for well organized militias is to reduced the need > for a standing army. Well, the US Armied Forces have been a standing > army for more than half the history of the US. But the major reason is to protect against that very same army. > It seems to me the whole reason for the Second Amendment, to give > the people protection from the US government by guaranteeing that the > people can over through the government if necessary, is a little bit > of an anachronism is this day and age. Maybe its time to re-think > how this should be done and amend the constitution appropriately. Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861: ""This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."" Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, 17 August 1789: ""What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. ... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."" So now we know which category Mr. Rutledge is in; He means to destroy our Liberties and Rights. -- Charles Scripter * cescript@phy.mtu.edu Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931 ------------------------------------------------------------- ""...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."" Thomas Jefferson, 1821 ";3;1 "From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science Lines: 21 cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: # 3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so, # could you provide any evidence ? Yes, Israel has nuclear weapons. However: 1) Their use so far has been restricted to killing deer, by LSD addicted ""Cherrie"" soldiers. 2) They are locked in the cellar of the ""Garinei Afula"" factory, and since the Gingi lost the key, no one can use them anymore. 3) Even if the Gingi finds the key, the chief Rabbis have a time lock on the bombs that does not allow them to be activated on the Sabbath and during weeks which follow victories of the Betar Jerusalem soccer team. A quick glance at the National League score table will reveal the strategic importance of this fact. -Danny Keren. ";-1;0 "From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 125 Thomas Parsli writes: > Observations from a naive norwegian: Yup, you said it. I admire such honesty. ;-) > 1) Guns are made to KILL people, not to shoot target or to > have something more macho than stamps to collect..... Fire an Anschutz .22, then come back and talk to us. You're letting ignorance and possibly fear cloud your thinking. Either that, or this is sour grapes because we beat you in the Olympic shooting events. Funny, you'd think biathalon would be a natural sport for the norse. ;-) > 2) It IS more easy to kill/injure someone with a gun than > with a knife or a bat (as in baseball). Precisely. That makes them the best method of defense for the citizenry. Not everybody has the time to train with a gladius, you know, but for some reason those who prey on others seem to have more free time. To extend this a bit further, you need only a certain level of competence to beat another with a range weapon. Getting in their face with a weapon and winning is much more difficult, and requires more training time the average citizen just does not have. I've spent a few years practicing with a sword. I can take the common person armed with one (though self-defense isn't the reason I own one). My kid sister would have an even chance of beating me, gun vs. gun, with only a month of training. That makes firearms much better, in our eyes. > 3) It's not very wise to compare two completely different > countries like USA and, let's say, Island on issues like > crime and violence. Excellent point. Perhaps you aren't so naive after all? > 4) Yes, the problem is people committing crimes, not the tools > beeing used, but 1) should be taken into concideration. Taken into consideration in what respect? Though quite wrong, let's make it a blanket statement for weapons in general. This has been taken into consideration. We call use of them aggrivated assault, assault with a deadly weapon, assault with intent to kill, attempted murder, and a whole host of others, and tack on extra prison time. > We have a very strict gun-legislation in Norway, but until recently > it was possible for enyone over 18 years to buy a shotgun. > Shotguns are used mainly for hunting in Norway(...), but because it > was so easy to accuire one, it was THE most used gun in crimes. In Norway I suspect it was about the only weapon available. You conquered your land (among others) a full millenia before we were thought of, and shortly thereafter weapons weren't quite so common. I suspect that a few world wars made a difference too, since in times of emergency weapons tend to be turned in or donated to needy causes. I'm curious, though, were the weapons used in the crimes bought shortly before the crime, or were they aquired by other means? Any requirements other than just registering the shotgun? > And -unbelievable- the use of guns in crime fell..... > There are now a new law against wearing long knives in public, > and why should it be allowed ?? ""Come on down to honest Erik's Used Swords! Here's a slightly-used short sword, *THE* battlefield supremacy weapon of the eleventh century! Only $39.95 with trade-in. Easy financing!"" Sorry, I couldn't resist. You guys still slicing each other with long knives, or is this really not a problem? > What I, as an scandinavian, have problems to understand is that > you (Americans) have a more liberal view on guns and violence > than on nudity and sex. > Try showing a bare breast on tv insted of violence and murder... I'm all for that. What gets me is that scandanavians (and yes, I'm only a couple generations off the longship) used to be some of the most feared warriors on the planet a mere millenia ago, yet now seem to spend their time sitting in spas and doing a bit of topless sunbathing. Maybe you had a bit more time, and a more homogeneous culture, to become civilized with? > Yes, I know a little American history, but is it a civil/human > right to have an assault gun in your home and/or an handgun > in your car?? Yes. We're too damned violent, partially I believe because we are not a homogeneous culture and don't identify ourselves as ""Americans"" first and foremost. I'm rather proud of my Norwegian and Danish heritage, whereas I suspect you couldn't care less about that 2% Welsh blood in your veins thanks to a raid in Ireland back in 1055? The time scale and the homogeneous culture are important. Equally important is a basic philosophical difference in personal versus collective good. In America, the individual is more important than the masses. Personal liberties are prized above all. This is, sadly, changing of late, but I trust you notice how this call for freedom makes laws that restrict individuals for little collective benefit hateful to Americans. I'd hazard a guess that, were America less interested in freedom and personal liberty and more interested in collective good we never would have sent our armed forces anywhere. One poor effect of this culture we have is that we're looking out for ourselves and it is quite easy to identify with only a small segment of the population. My grandmother tells of being discriminated against back in Denmark because she spoke ""low Dane,"" whereas others spoke ""high Dane."" It was shortly after World War II, as I remember, that ""low Dane"" was abolished so there was one common dialect. We cannot fathom such a minor thing being a problem, because we have even more obvious means of identifying an ""outsider."" > The bad english is not my fault, it's probably > the keyboard-software or the quality of the > subtext on tv...... Take heart, yours is better than 90% of what gets posted by native speakers. Any helpful hints for our educational system? People have this annoying tendency to drop out of school and sell drugs over here. [ ;-) And what kind of name is Thomas Parsli? Here, you can use my great grandfather's before he changed it: Christian Aarskog. That's a great one for getting mispronounced. I think that's why he changed it. I don't think he needs it anymore ;-) ] < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > ";-1;0 "From: todd@nickel.laurentian.ca Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christiani Organization: Laurentian University Lines: 27 > Any one who thinks that Homosexuality and Christianity are compatible should > > ck > out: > Romans 1:27 > I Corinthians 6:9 > I Timothy 1:10 > Jude 1:7 > II Peter 2:6-9 > Gen. 19 > Lev 18:22 > (to name a few of the verses that pertain to homosexuality) > In Christ's Love, > Bryan Whitsell I was waiting for this. I think your question should be rephrased. The many verses of the Bible which condem homosexuality (by our beliefs) have been shoved down the throats of homosexuals for a long time by (well-meaning?) Christians. The question is how do they interpret these verses. Any discussion of any issue (this or any other issue) requires a proof of your case as well as a disproof of the opposing view. We are already familiar with those verses and many have proven to themselves that these condem homosexual behaviour. We must now establish reasons for not believing this to be true based on the interpretation of these scriptures given by someone who has come to grips with them. Todd... ";-1;0 "From: jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel) Subject: Re: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 18 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu >According to the (seen several times) postings from Dale Adams of Apple >Computer, both the 610 and the 650 require 80ns SIMMS - NOT 60 ns. Only >the Centris 800 requires 60 ns SIMMs. > >Pete I think you meant Quadra 800 ..... (but a Centris 800 probably would be a real nice machine... :) ) But yeah, it needs 80ns not 60ns. Joel -- Joel Siegel ""I myself have never been able to find out what feminism is: I only know that I am called a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."" -Rebecca West, 1913 ";-1;0 "From: rogerskm@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Karen Rogers) Subject: Remapping key in a dialog Organization: DuPont Central Research & Development Lines: 58 I am new to X programming, so please bear with me.... I am trying to have a dialog box that returns it's value upon the user entering a new value and hitting the key. (don't want to have a ""done"" button). The piece of code below will work if I exclude the XtNvalue argument but will not work as is. Can someone shed some light on this or suggest a better way? Ultimately I will have several areas active at the same time to allow a user to modify parameters in the program. Thanks for your help, Karen Rogers Dupont rogerskm@pluto.es.dupont.com ######### Code starts here ################ void doit() { printf(""Entered the doit function\n""); exit(); } main(argc, argv) int argc; char **argv; { Widget toplevel; Widget outer; XtAppContext app_con; Widget samples; Arg args[3]; static XtActionsRec key_actions[]= { {""doit"", doit}, }; toplevel = XtVaAppInitialize(&app_con, ""TEST"", NULL, 0, &argc, argv, NULL, NULL); outer = XtCreateManagedWidget( ""paned"", panedWidgetClass, toplevel, NULL, ZERO); XtAppAddActions(app_con, key_actions, XtNumber(key_actions)); XtSetArg(args[0], XtNlabel, ""Enter value""); XtSetArg(args[1], XtNvalue, ""0""); samples = XtCreateManagedWidget(""samples"", dialogWidgetClass,outer,args,2); XtOverrideTranslations(samples, XtParseTranslationTable(""Return: doit()"")); XtRealizeWidget(toplevel); XtAppMainLoop(app_con); } ";-1;0 "From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack! Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 21 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) says: >I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once. I was going to work on a Yamaha >750 Twin (A.K.A. ""the vibrating tank"") when I heard a wierd noise off to my >left. I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot and >jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the left >side. When I went to put my foot back on the peg, I found that it was not >there! I pulled into the nearest parking lot and discovered that I had been >hit by a wire-wheel type hubcap from a large cage! This hubcap weighed >about 4-5 pounds! The impact had bent the left peg flat against the frame >and tweeked the shifter in the process. Had I not heard the approaching >cap, I feel certian that I would be sans a portion of my left foot. > Hmmmm.....I wondered where that hubcap went. -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ ";-1;0 "From: hdsteven@solitude.Stanford.EDU (H. D. Stevens) Subject: Re: Inflatable Mile-Long Space Billboards (was Re: Vandalizing the sky.) Organization: stanford Lines: 38 In article , yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes: |> >NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, |> >since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates |> >(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This |> >may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of |> >Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the |> >project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone |> >monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. |> |> This may be the purpose for the University of Colorado people. My |> guess is that the purpose for the Livermore people is to learn how to |> build large, inflatable space structures. |> The CU people have been, and continue to be big ozone scientists. So this is consistent. It is also consistent with the new ""Comercial applications"" that NASA and Clinton are pushing so hard. |> |> >Is NASA really supporting this junk? Did anyone catch the rocket that was launched with a movie advert all over it? I think the rocket people got alot of $$ for painting up the sides with the movie stuff. What about the Coke/Pepsi thing a few years back? NASA has been trying to find ways to get other people into the space funding business for some time. Frankly, I've thought about trying it too. When the funding gets tight, only the innovative get funded. One of the things NASA is big on is co-funding. If a PI can show co-funding for any proposal, that proposal has a SIGNIFICANTLY higher probability of being funded than a proposal with more merit but no co-funding. Once again, money talks! -- H.D. Stevens Stanford University Email:hdsteven@sun-valley.stanford.edu Aerospace Robotics Laboratory Phone: (415) 725-3293 (Lab) Durand Building (415) 722-3296 (Bullpen) Stanford, CA 94305 Fax: (415) 725-3377 ";-1;0 "From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) wrote: > > Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock > it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it... Gravity. It'll never let you down, er up, er... Lesson: Put your helmet on the ground or your head. If you put it on the ground, it isn't gonna fall down _to_ the ground. If you put it on your head, well... tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil ""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."" --gene spafford, 1992 ";-1;0 "From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: ""Conventional Proposales"": Israel & Palestinians Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 69 The latest Israeli ""proposal"", first proposed in February of 1992, contains the following assumptions concerning the nature of any ""interim status"" refering to the WB and Gaza, the Palestinians, implemented by negotiations. It states that: >Israel will remain the existing source of authority until ""final status"" is agreed upon; >Israel will negiotiate the delegation of power to the organs of the Interim Self-Government Arrangements (ISGA); >The ISGA will apply to the ""Palestinian inhabitants of the territories"" under Israeli military administration. The arrangements will not have a territorial application, nor will they apply to the Israeli population of the territories or to the Palestinian inhabitants of Jerusalem; >Residual powers not delegated under the ISGA will be reserved by Israel; >Israelis will continue to live and settle in the territoriesd; >Israel alone will have responsibility for security in all its aspects- external, internal- and for the maintenance of public order; >The organs of the ISGA will be of an administrative-functional nature; >The exercise of powers under the ISGA will be subject to cooperation and coordination with Israel. >Israel will negotiate delegation of powers and responsibilities in the areas of administration, justice, personnel, agriculture, education, business, tourism, labor and social welfare, local police, local transportation and communications, municipal affairs and religious affairs. Several question do come to mind concerning the ""success"" we all hope for in the ongoing negotiation process. These arrangements certainly seem to be essentially a rejection of any Palestinian ""interim"" self-control. Without exposing itself to unwarranted risks and creating irresversible vulnerability, can Israel reasonably put forward (at later points in the negotiating process) more ""relaxed"" proposals for this""interim"" period? How should proposals (from either side) be altered to temper their ""maximalist"" approaches as stated above? How can Israeli worries ,and desire for some ""interim control"", be addressed while providing for a very *real* interim Palestinian self-governing entity? Tim >Later comment: > >There seem to be two perceptions that **have to be addressed**. The >first is that of Israel, where there is little trust for Arab groups, so >there is little support for Israel giving up **tangible** assets in >exchange for pieces of paper, ""expectations"", ""hopes"", etc. The second >is that of the Arab world/Palestinians, where there is the demand that >these ""tangible concessions"" be made by Israel **without** it receiving >anything **tangible** back. Given this, the gap between the two stances >seems to be the need by Israel of receiving some ***tangible*** returns >for its expected concessions. By ""tangible"" is meant something that >1) provides Israel with ""comparable"" protection (from the land it is to >give up), 2) in some way ensures that the Arab states and Palestine >**will be** accountable and held actively (not just ""diplomatically) >responsible for the upholding of all actions on its territory (by citizens >or ""visitors""). > >Israel is hanging on largely because it is scared stiff that the minute >it lets go (gives lands back to Arab states, no more ""buffer zone"", gives >full autonomy to Palestinians), ANY and/or ALL of the Arab parties >could (and *would*, if not ""controlled"" somehow) EASILY return to the >traditional anti-Israel position. The question then is HOW to *really* >ensure that that will not happen. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine ";-1;0 "From: nfotis@ntua.gr (Nick C. Fotis) Subject: Re: more on radiosity Organization: National Technical University of Athens Lines: 34 amann@iam.unibe.ch (Stephan Amann) writes: >In article 66319@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, xz775327@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Xia Zhao) writes: >> >> >>In article <1993Apr19.131239.11670@aragorn.unibe.ch>, you write: >>|> >>|> >>|> Let's be serious... I'm working on a radiosity package, written in C++. >>|> I would like to make it public domain. I'll announce it in c.g. the minute >>|> I finished it. >>|> >>|> That were the good news. The bad news: It'll take another 2 months (at least) >>|> to finish it. Please note that there are some radiosity packages in my Resource Listing (under the Subject 3: FTP list) Greetings, Nick. -- Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578 USENET Editor of comp.graphics Resource Listing and soc.culture.greece FAQ NTUA/UA ACM Student Chapter Chair - we're organizing a small conference in Comp. Graphics, call if you're interested to participate. -- Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578 ";-1;0 "From: jonas-y@isy.liu.se (Jonas Yngvesson) Subject: Re: Point within a polygon Keywords: point, polygon Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping Lines: 129 scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes: >I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a >polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing >information on the subject ? Well, it's been a while since this was discussed so i take the liberty of reprinting (without permission, so sue me) Eric Haines reprint of the very interesting discussion of this topic... /Jonas O / \ O ------------------------- X snip snip X ------------------------------ O \ / O ""Give a man a fish, and he'll eat one day. Give a man a fishing rod, and he'll laze around fishing and never do anything."" With that in mind, I reprint (without permission, so sue me) relevant information posted some years ago on this very problem. Note the early use of PostScript technology, predating many of this year's papers listed in the April 1st SIGGRAPH Program Announcement posted here a few days ago. -- Eric Intersection Between a Line and a Polygon (UNDECIDABLE??), by Dave Baraff, Tom Duff From: deb@charisma.graphics.cornell.edu Newsgroups: comp.graphics Keywords: P, NP, Jordan curve separation, Ursyhon Metrization Theorem Organization: Program of Computer Graphics In article [...] ncsmith@ndsuvax.UUCP (Timothy Lyle Smith) writes: > > I need to find a formula/algorithm to determine if a line intersects > a polygon. I would prefer a method that would do this in as little > time as possible. I need this for use in a forward raytracing > program. I think that this is a very difficult problem. To start with, lines and polygons are semi-algebraic sets which both contain uncountable number of points. Here are a few off-the-cuff ideas. First, we need to check if the line and the polygon are separated. Now, the Jordan curve separation theorem says that the polygon divides the plane into exactly two open (and thus non-compact) regions. Thus, the line lies completely inside the polygon, the line lies completely outside the polygon, or possibly (but this will rarely happen) the line intersects the polyon. Now, the phrasing of this question says ""if a line intersects a polygon"", so this is a decision problem. One possibility (the decision model approach) is to reduce the question to some other (well known) problem Q, and then try to solve Q. An answer to Q gives an answer to the original decision problem. In recent years, many geometric problems have been successfully modeled in a new language called PostScript. (See ""PostScript Language"", by Adobe Systems Incorporated, ISBN # 0-201-10179-3, co. 1985). So, given a line L and a polygon P, we can write a PostScript program that draws the line L and the polygon P, and then ""outputs"" the answer. By ""output"", we mean the program executes a command called ""showpage"", which actually prints a page of paper containing the line and the polygon. A quick examination of the paper provides an answer to the reduced problem Q, and thus the original problem. There are two small problems with this approach. (1) There is an infinite number of ways to encode L and P into the reduced problem Q. So, we will be forced to invoke the Axiom of Choice (or equivalently, Zorn's Lemma). But the use of the Axiom of Choice is not regarded in a very serious light these days. (2) More importantly, the question arises as to whether or not the PostScript program Q will actually output a piece of paper; or in other words, will it halt? Now, PostScript is expressive enough to encode everything that a Turing Machine might do; thus the halting problem (for PostScript) is undecidable. It is quite possible that the original problem will turn out to be undecidable. I won't even begin to go into other difficulties, such as aliasing, finite precision and running out of ink, paper or both. A couple of references might be: 1. Principia Mathematica. Newton, I. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, England. (Sorry, I don't have an ISBN# for this). 2. An Introduction to Automata Theory, Languages, and Computation. Hopcroft, J and Ulman, J. 3. The C Programming Language. Kernighan, B and Ritchie, D. 4. A Tale of Two Cities. Dickens, C. -------- From: td@alice.UUCP (Tom Duff) Summary: Overkill. Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ The situation is not nearly as bleak as Baraff suggests (he should know better, he's hung around The Labs for long enough). By the well known Dobbin-Dullman reduction (see J. Dullman & D. Dobbin, J. Comp. Obfusc. 37,ii: pp. 33-947, lemma 17(a)) line-polygon intersection can be reduced to Hamiltonian Circuit, without(!) the use of Grobner bases, so LPI (to coin an acronym) is probably only NP-complete. Besides, Turing-completeness will no longer be a problem once our Cray-3 is delivered, since it will be able to complete an infinite loop in 4 milliseconds (with scatter-gather.) -------- From: deb@svax.cs.cornell.edu (David Baraff) Well, sure its no worse than NP-complete, but that's ONLY if you restrict yourself to the case where the line satisfies a Lipschitz condition on its second derivative. (I think there's an '89 SIGGRAPH paper from Caltech that deals with this). -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ J o n a s Y n g v e s s o n email: jonas-y@isy.liu.se Dept. of Electrical Engineering voice: +46-(0)13-282162 University of Linkoping, Sweden fax : +46-(0)13-139282 ";-1;0 "From: lmegna@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Lisa Megna) Subject: Neurofibromatosis Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu Hello, I am writing a grant proposal for a Developmental Genetics class and I have chose to look at the Neurofibromatosis 1 gene and its variable expressivity. I am curious what has already been done on this subject, especially the relationship between specific mutations and the resulting phenotype. My literature search has produce many references, but I want to make sure I am proposing new research. If anyone knows aything that has been recently or key peopl doing research to search for using MEDLINE, I would apprciate being informed. Thank you. Lisa Megna lmegna@titan.ucc.umass.edu ";-1;0 "From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) Subject: Re: Old Corvettes / Low insurance? Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS Lines: 52 In article Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.011805.28485@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, swr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT WARREN ROSANDER) writes: >|> In article , gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Hei >|> nz) writes: >|> >After too many years of school I'm finally graduating and getting a real >|> >job. Of course I am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra >|> >money. Right now I have an 89 accord, a good car, but not real sporty & >|> >I was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around >|> >$20k on a sports car of some kind. After thinking about it, I may have a >|> >better idea -- I'll keep the Accord until it drops and buy the car I've >|> >always wanted -- a Corvette Stingray. My reasoning is that $8000 (accord)+ >|> >$8000 (corvette) =$16000 is less than what I would spend anyway. >|> > >|> >Basically, I'm thinking of a late 70's, early 80's for around $7-$10k. >|> >My question is, what are good years to consider (for reliability, looks, >|> >horsepower -- in that order, believe it or not, horsepower is not a main >|> >concern, if I want to go fast, I get on my motorcycle) and what are >|> >good prices? >|> > >|> >Also, what would insurance look like? I'm male, single, 23 (I might >|> >wait until I'm 25 to get the car = lower insurance). Would the fact that >|> >I mainly drive the other car lower it? Is there some type of ""classic >|> >car"" or ""rarely driven"" insurance class for driving it under 10k miles >|> >per year? >|> > >|> My dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say 'classic insurance'. >|> Basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving >|> time, which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would >|> probably suit your needs for limited mileage. >|> -- > In my area, Denver, if you look around alittle you can get an 1984 for 10,000 or less, not much less. You said your not looking to go fast, they are a really nice car just not real powerful.> >In addition to restricted mileage, many classic insurance carriers also require >that the vehicle be garaged when not in use. > >$0.02 > >Ericy > > > *---------------------------------+---------------------------* > | Eric Youngblood | > | Bell-Northern Research _ | > | Richardson, Texas 75082 _| ~- | > | \, _} | > | \( +---------------------------| > | | Peon w/o Email privs | > *---------------------------------+---------------------------* ";-1;0 "From: add@sciences.sdsu.edu (James D. Murray) Subject: Need specs/info on Apple QuickTime Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: sciences.sdsu.edu Keywords: quicktime X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] I need to get the specs, or at least a very verbose interpretation of the specs, for QuickTime. Technical articles from magazines and references to books would be nice too. I also need the specs in a format usable on a Unix or MS-DOS system. I can't do much with the QuickTime stuff they have on ftp.apple.com in its present format. Thanks in advance. James D. Murray add@sciences.sdsu.edu ";-1;0 "From: daniels@NeoSoft.com (Brad Daniels) Subject: Re: C++ toolkit ""directions"" ? Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900 Lines: 41 In article <533@imp.HellNet.org> devil@loki.HellNet.org (Gil Tene) writes: >I am trying to figure out the current C++ toolkit ""directions"". >More simply, I'd like to know which C++ toolkit to ""bet on"" >for use in a new long term project. I have the same problem. I have looked at Motif++, WWL, InterViews, GINA++, and a few variations on the above. I've also done a cursory examination of Rogue Wave's View.h++. I like View.h++'s abstractions best of all of the toolkits I mentioned, but the resulting code looks little like Motif, and I have little confidence that this software will catch on or otherwise result in significant longevity for my code. GINA++ allows you to write code which looks a great deal like Motif and also makes interesting use of inheritance, but the resulting code is almost too Motif-like, and is certainly not significantly less verbose than equivalent C code. InterViews looks promising, but I haven't found a free version with Motif support, and I'm not confident how widely InterViews with Motif support will be adopted, and what (if any) specific Motif support will be available over time. The other libraries produce code which is less Motif-like, but which does not make sufficient use of the features of C++ to simplify my coding task. At this point, my inclination is to write my Motif manipulation routines in C, and invoke those routines from my C++ code using simple abstractions suited to my specific task. Later, if OSF or some credible standards-setting body comes up with a C++ interface to Motif, I will change to that. It does me no goo to write in C++ if my choice of interfaces leaves me with code which leaves me tied to an abstraction which is not consistent with the industry directions. It's better to take a standard if inferior solution for now than to go with a slgihtly superior approach which will leave me with both useless code and useless skills a few years from now. Views.h++ is the only library I'd consider right now, but in our environment, we'd end up spending nearly $5000 to use it, and I can't justify it when it's likely to cause short-term productivity decreases as we learn the new abstraction, and is unlikely to be a sufficiently long-lived solution for us to reap the benefits at the high end of the J curve. - Brad -- Brad Daniels ` | ""If money can't buy happiness, daniels@neosoft.com | I guess I'll have to rent it."" I don't work for NeoSoft, and | - Weird Al Yenkovic don't speak for my employer. | ";12;1 "From: scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) Subject: Luser! Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site X-Posted-From: iamac-1.dml.georgetown.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 112 Awesley wrote: That was the entire point to *you*. What exactly did I claim? -------------------------------------------------- ""I've heard eye-witness descriptions of tanks using their main guns to respond to sniper fire. Quite effectively."" -------------------------------------------------- I wasn't wrong . . . I've heard those descriptions. If you're paying attention, I've mentioned that I saw the tanks with my own eyes, but the main gun firing was an account I heard. That helps people judge whether or not to kick in the, to use your words, ""bullshit filters"". Stating that I *claimed* this is a falsehood. Later in the same post: Another part of my memories was that while most damaged building were burnt, some were in rubble. Based on what I remember, I was and am inclined to believe an old sarge or two. Fine, *now* you are stating that you believe their claims (or that you are ""inclined"" to. See below for a stronger statement of your beliefs). Those claims are still ludicrous, however. Previously Awesley had written: You can also read of the troops using grenade launchers. Prompting me to write: To fire fragmentary grenades? I doubt that as well. To fire concussion grenades? Perhaps. To fire tear gas? Certainly. But you would be perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags, wouldn't you, since it makes your other claim seem more plausible. To which Awesley replied: John, again, strawman techniques. Do you feel you're losing it so you have to stretch what I said and knock that down? What I read said nothing about what they fired. And so I put nothing in there. If you need some help, let me know and I'l take your side of this for a while. You're not scoring here, you're boring here. But why did you mention grenade launchers at all? Because it supports the notion that the tanks shelled buildings. And it supports that notion because it conjures images of troops launching fragmentary grenades. But that too is ludicrous. I wrote: If tanks had fired their main guns in Detroit, people would have been screaming about it for the past two and half decades. I would know about it. Awesley relied: Glad to know you're such an expert. Nice to hear some an authority. I especially appreciate your basis of knowledge -- if it had happened, you would have know it. Since you are such an authority, you probably know that people did scream about an alleged massive cover-up in the number of people killed in the Detroit riot. Some claimed 100+ dead, others said 300. The offical number is 43 but the Concise Columbia Encyclopedia says it was ""several"". I've also heard some things about that but I won't dare repeat them. You'd assert that I claimed they were truth. Yes, if it happened I would have heard about it. Everybody would have. Army tanks don't fire their cannons in American cities in the 1960's without it becoming common knowledge, without minority leaders seizing on it and condemning it over and over again, without civil libertarians saying ""this has gone far enough."" So, yes, my never hearing of it was the basis for my disbelieving the claim. Now I have more reasons to disbelieve it. Not one poster has written to say, yes, I lived in Detroit at that time and everybody knew that the tanks had fired shells. This is the UseNet. If it had happened, somebody here would remember it. Furthermore, your own research failed to come up with any support for the claim. The claim is extraordinary and it has no supporting evidence, extraordinary or not. Unless you count the brags of a couple of guardsmen shooting the shit. I do not. I wrote: Unless you also claim that the National Guard managed to cover it up. Awesley wrote: Taking the tour after the riots, it was pretty easy to tell the difference between Army and Guard troops. Or so I recall from 26 years ago. And I seem to recall it was the Army running the tanks. So it would have been an Army cover-up. Quibble. Fine, it was an Army cover-up. Six years in the Reserves has taught me the difference also. But do you think that in two and half decades not one guilt-ridden participant has come forward and said ""yes, I shelled Americans,"" or ""I gave the orders to fire the cannons,"" or ""I helped cover it up""? I wrote: If your mind is open enough to believe that, well, good for you. I prefer to live in reality. And here in reality, I find it hard to believe that those tanks even had any shells, much less fired them. Awesley replied: Given the level in destruction in Detroit, I'm quite willing to believe that they did fire their guns. Good. Then we can drop the junk about you not claiming that they did. Your belief fails a basic reality check: why isn't it known? Awesley concludes: Now then, we've bored the shit out of anyone whose bothered to read this far and all you've managed to say is that you don't believe the account I cited. Actually, now we have established that I don't believe what you believe, as well as why I don't believe it. And if it's boring, then I yield the last word to you, if you want it. You may say anything you like with impunity--I am dropping the subject. --John L. Scott ";-1;0 "From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Subject: Re: Enough Freeman Bashing! Was: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freemanwith blood greetings from Israel Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 In article mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes: >pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes: > > >Peter, > >I believe this is your most succinct post to date. Since you have nothing >to say, you say nothing! It's brilliant. Did you think of this all by >yourself? > >-marc >-- Hey tough guy, read the topic. That's the message. Get a brain. Go to a real school. ";-1;0 "From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) Subject: Re: Societally acceptable behavior Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG Lines: 87 NNTP-Posting-Host: d012s658.ap.mchp.sni.de In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: #In <1qvabj$g1j@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) #writes: # #>In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike #Cobb) writes: # #Am I making a wrong assumption for the basis of morals? Where do they come #from? The question came from the idea that I heard that morals come from #whatever is societally mandated. It's only one aspect of morality. Societal morality is necessarily very crude and broad-brush stuff which attempts to deal with what is necessary to keep that society going - and often it's a little over-enthusiastic about doing so. Individual morality is a different thing, it often includes societal mores (or society is in trouble), but is stronger. For example, some people are vegetarian, though eating meat may be perfectly legal. # #>#Merely a question for the basis of morality #># #>#Moral/Ethical behavior = _Societally_ _acceptable_ _behavior_. #># #>#1)Who is society # #>Depends on the society. # #Doesn't help. Is the point irrelevant? No. Often the answer is ""we are"". But if society is those who make the rules, that's a different question. If society is who should make the rules, that's yet another. I don't claim to have the answers, either, but I don't think we do it very well in Ireland, and I like some things about the US system, at least in principle. # #>#2)How do ""they"" define what is acceptable? # #>Depends. #On.... Again, this comes from a certain question (see above). Well, ideally they don't, but if they must they should do it by consensus, IMO. # #>#3)How do we keep from a ""whatever is legal is what is ""moral"" ""position? # #>By adopting a default position that people's moral decisions #>are none of society's business, # #So how can we put people in jail? How can we condemn other societies? Because sometimes that's necessary. The hard trick is to recognise when it is, and equally importantly, when it isn't. # and only interfering when it's truly #>necessary. # #Why would it be necessary? What right do we have to interfere? IMO, it isn't often that interference (i.e. jail, and force of various kinds and degrees) is both necessary and effective. Where you derive the right to interfere is a difficult question - it's a sort of liar's paradox: ""force is necessary for freedom"". One possible justification is that people who wish to take away freedom shouldn't object if their own freedom is taken away - the paradox doesn't arise if we don't actively wish to take way anyone's freedom. # # The introduction of permissible interference causes the problem #>that it can be either too much or too little - but most people seem #>to agree that some level of interference is necessary. # #They see the need for a ""justice"" system. How can we even define that term? Only by consensus, I guess. # Thus you #>get a situation where ""The law often allows what honour forbids"", which I've #>come to believe is as it should be. # #I admit I don't understand that statement. What I mean is that, while thus-and-such may be legal, thus-and-such may also be seen as immoral. The law lets you do it, but you don't let yourself do it. Eating meat, for example. -- Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' odwyer@sse.ie from ""Hens"", by Evelyn Conlon ";-1;0 "From: SITUNAYA@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK Subject: (None set) Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm3090.bham.ac.uk ============================================================================== Bear with me i'm new at this game, but could anyone explain exactly what DMORF does, does it simply fade one bitmap into another or does it re shape one bitma p into another. Please excuse my ignorance, i' not even sure if i've posted thi s message correctly. ";1;1 "From: byab314@chpc.utexas.edu (Srinivas Bettadpur) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Center for Space Research, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr23.140649.1@rhea.arc.ab.ca> thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca writes: >In article , enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: > >> What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that >> it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). > >No need to be depressed about this one. Lights aren't on during the day >so there shouldn't be any daytime light pollution. Thanks for these surreal moments.... Srinivas -- Srinivas Bettadpur Internet : byab314@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu P.O. Box 8520, Austin, Tx. 78713-8520, U.S.A. Tel. (512) 471 4332 BITNET : byab314@uthermes ";-1;0 "From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr10.124753.25195@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: >Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote: >>Well, it seemed slightly incongruous to find the Union Jack flying >>at City Hall in Belfast. >May I ask why? It's there not because the British want it there (NI >is just one big expensive problem), it's there because that is >what the majority of the population of NI want. Is there some >problem with that? The majority of those who can open their mouths in public perhaps. There seems quite alot of incentive for the British to have control of NI, like using the North Channel and Irish Sea as a waste dump (I was appalled at the dumping I saw in the harbor in Belfast). It is my understanding that quite alot of radioactivity enters the water -- it'd be quite a problem if NI got its independence from Britain and then stopped accepting the waste. Are you suggesting that British industry isn't making profit off the situation as well? Gregg ";-1;0 "From: (Steve Tomassi) Subject: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: Yale Computing Center Lines: 39 Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? I mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, as is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in Eddie Murray and Jeff Reardon. Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody giving Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, marginal. Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors so liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if something isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? Ñ Steve ";-1;0 "From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) Subject: Re: That Kill by Sword, Must be Killed by Sword Organization: Red Barn Data Center Lines: 191 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >In article , royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) >wrote: >> In article <20APR199306173611@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: >> >In article , >> >sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes... >> ... >> >>So are you happy now when 70+ people, including innocent kids, >> >>died today? >> >> It's amazing how everyone automatically blames one side or the other. >> One thing for sure: Koresh will have no chance to defend himself >> against the statements (lacking in fact or COurt sponsored verification) >> made by agents who participated in the situation that killed him. > >Frankly speaking I don't care who started this whole show. I just >feel sad about the children that were trapped, and had to die >for a case that didn't have any reason whatsoever. All Mr. >Koresh could have done would have been to release these 19 >children. COuld he? And the first three that died, when guns ablazing in came the BATF and FBI? I imagine I would have some trouble giving up my children to someone who had just shot -- what -- two of them? NB: It takes two sets of guns in a situation like this. > >Yes, I put the blame on Koresh and similar fanatical religious >leaders that think more about their cause than about keeping Fanatical: those whowill not tolerate another's way of life Religious: Based on emotional, internal, or otherwise lacking in commonly defined _scientific_ basis, including legal ones, such as this old saw: Innocent untilproven guilty not Innocent until presumed guilty Who is the fanatic? Note who is dead; this usually bespeaks a fair bit for the idea that the OTHER side also had lethal weapons, used fatally. They are dead: the children. At best Koresh was an asshole and the government criminally negligent in its hadni\ling of the case. At worst, Koresh and his followers were innocent not brainwashed guilty of illegal arms possession (as yet unproven) and murderedd along with 25 children They cannot speak for themselves Members of the (surviving, alive, and not burned to death) BATF/FBI can, and are inappropriately to the public eye outside the bounds of their legal authorities read the charter: the Constitution specifies that the COURTS convict, while the enforcement arm INVESTIGATES, and that the evidence involved shuld not be disseminated in a way to harm or injure a party involved prior to that action; its called slander or libel (even where factually true butthen distoted or disseminated with intent to harm for the purpose of covering their butts because the bottom line is: they SAID they wanted the kids to get out alive and theFBI, the BATF, Ms. Reno, the Prez, and EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS SICK SELFSERVING GROUP OF UPRIGHT ANIMALS that used to be a freedom loving peaceful country called America: look up the name, it might surprise you has turned the ""point the finger of blame"" on the OTHER guy. and LET THOSE KIDS DIE. Note well: they lived 51 days; they only died when attacked by outside force. SPock's World, Diane Duane: The spear in the heart of another is the spear in your own .... ALL of us are responsible. Iam; you are. The question is not whether, but how: Guess what: you get to make up your own mind on that. >children out from the war zone. I'm not ashamed of this statement. Who created the war zone? You should be ashamed of bypassing that. It's the same damned (Literally) comment made by the folks in the former Yugoslavia to justify Ethnic Cleansing: ""Gee, they had the guns, all they had to do was surrender"". > >To justify other means does not eliminate the fact that children >died for a cause that they should not have been part of. Whose ""cause"" did they die for? The one where they lived, peacibly, to all known purposes (until proven in COurt, folks!), or the Cuase of Righteous Government SafeGuarding The Freedom Of The CHildren Who are now dead. AgainI say: I do NOT know who did what I was NOT there. The FBI leaders show moral SICKness trying to convict in the press ahead of schedule And you should look over your shoulder, becuase if there is anything my ruminations that actually sets onto real fact of what happened and I do not know that; I am defending people who ahving been burned to death cannot speak for themselves you may, in 22-5 years, find that the concept in our Court system has gone from Due Processss to Due Profit and the BATF come to collect their fair share of the tax on the value of your house if you rented it for income which is going down now, folks. Read Bankruptcy 1995 Its accurate in figures and it bypasses the greedy businessman and mankers who have taken profit from the corruption of our govbernment. Look to where the money went, folks. You got $10 for medicare that paid a doctor for $00.50 worth of medicine. This is the customaryprofitmargin to businessmen for goernment entitlements. Who wll own the land of the cult now? Note well: it WAS nonproift, religious, and nontaxable. Large tract of land .... hmmm. Use your brains, folks: it happened Germany, and it can happen here. 4.3 trillion (admitted) and counting.... > >Kent royc. >--- >sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Dodgers Take 2 Straight From Pirates Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 25 In article <1qqob2INNqev@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes: >Davis and Strawberry attributed their turn arounds to Reggie Smith, >the Dodger batting coach who flew in from Florida three days >ago and gave them a pep talk and some instruction. Davis was >4-5 yesterday and had a couple more hits today. Strawberry >had two hits yesterday and I believe he had two more today, with >two home runs. Foolish me. And here I thought it had something to do with the fact that they were hitting against Wakefield, who had no ""kncukle"" to his ball that day, and Otto, who has no stuff. I wonder if Reggie gave the same pep talk and instruction to the rest of the lineup, who also suddenly came alive those two games. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com ";14;1 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: I don't expect the lion to know, or not know anything of the kind. >In fact, I don't have any evidence that lions ever consider such >issues. >And that, of course, is why I don't think you can assign moral >significance to the instinctive behaviour of lions. What I've been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior. That is, it doesn't take much work to be moral, but it certainly does to be immoral (in some cases). Also, I've said that morality is a remnant of evolution. Our moral system is based on concepts well practiced in the animal kingdom. >>So you are basically saying that you think a ""moral"" is an undefinable >>term, and that ""moral systems"" don't exist? If we can't agree on a >>definition of these terms, then how can we hope to discuss them? >No, it's perfectly clear that I am saying that I know what a moral >is in *my* system, but that I can't speak for other people. But, this doesn't get us anywhere. Your particular beliefs are irrelevant unless you can share them or discuss them... keith ";-1;0 "From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Keywords: science errors Turpin Nntp-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 16 In article lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes: > >Furthermore, the big bucks approach to science promotes what I think is >one of the most significant errors in science: choosing to investigate >questions because they can be readily handled by the currently >fashionable methodology (or because one can readily get institutional >or corporate sponsorship for them) instead of directing attention to >those questions which seem to have fundamental significance. Shades of James Watson! That's exactly the way many workers have described their misgivings about the Human Genome Project. If you take a rigid definition of scientific research, the mere accumulation of data is not doing science. One of the early arguments against the project were that the resources would be better used to focus on specific genetics-related problems rather than just going off and collecting maps and sequence. The project can't be so narrowly defined or easily described now though. ";-1;0 "From: gregp@acpy01.att.com (Greg Peterson (CXNIXPT1)) Subject: 1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX For Sale Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA) Distribution: nj Lines: 26 FOR SALE 1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX * All Wheel Drive * 195 HP, 16 Valve, Turbo * 5 Speed Transmission * Limited Slip Differential * AM/FM Stereo w/CD Player, Cassette, 6 Speakers * Fog Lights * Air Conditioning * Cruise Control * Electric Windows * Front & Rear Intermittent Wipers & Washers * Alloy Wheels * Undercoated & Rustproofed * 22,000 Miles * Maui Blue * Excellent Condition * Asking $ 11,899 (negotiable) Call Pete: 908 457-2838 (Work) 908 821-5393 (Home) or respond to: pvannuis@attmail.com ";-1;0 "From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 72 In article <15469@optilink.COM> brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes: , splee@pd.org (Seng-Poh Lee, Speedy) writes: |> I have an old 3Com ethernet card (PC AT Bus) that came out of a Apollo |> workstation. I'm trying to identify it in order to use it on a PC. |> |> The Assembly number is 4008-00 REV 2 and it is a 16 bit card, circa |> 1985. It has an AUI port as well as a BNC coax connection. It has |> selectable address for the BIOS, IO, DMA, and IRQ locations via berg |> jumpers. It also appears to have a Intel 80186 processor on board, |> presumably for buffering. |> |> The ethernet chip appears to be an Intel 82586, a 48 pin DIP package. Is |> this chip an equivalent to the 8390 used in some cards? There is also |> a 68 pin PLCC chip, called a LINK+ |> |> Please e-mail as I don't think this is of general interest. My least favorite last line of a post. Um, it is of general interest. As I prepare to retire 22 Apollos myself, I'm looking for ways to recycle the useful parts. Mike Simon simon@moscow.uidaho.edu ";-1;0 "From: Charles P. Cox, Jr. Subject: Calling all Mac gurus Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b61506.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 04:56:52 GMT Question for those familiar with Quadra VRAM: I put 2 256K VRAM SIMMs in my Quadra 700 (in the 2 slots closest to the RAM SIMM slots) and I got no results whatsoever. I have been told that the built-in video should support at least 16bit and maybe 24bit color on a Macintosh Color Display. However, the Monitors control panel still lists 8bit (256 colors) as the highest possible. Does it make any difference which slots you put the SIMMs in? Do you have to do something to activate them? Do you have to do something to the Monitors control panel? BTW, I am running System 7.1 with 8 Megs of RAM. --- Charles P. Cox, Jr. Computer Engineering Case Western Reserve University cpc3@po.cwru.edu cox@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu ";-1;0 "From: arp@cooper!osd (Andrew Pinkowitz) Subject: SIGGRAPH -- Conference on Understanding Images Keywords: graphics animation nyc acm siggraph Organization: Online Systems Development ( NY, NY) Lines: 140 ====================================================================== NYC ACM/SIGGRAPH: UNDERSTANDING IMAGES ====================================================================== SUBJECT: Pace University/SIGGRAPH Conference on UNDERSTANDING IMAGES =========================================================== The purpose of this conference is to bring together a breadth of disciplines, including the physical, biological and computational sciences, technology, art, psychology, philosophy, and education, in order to define and discuss the issues essential to image understanding within the computer graphics context. FEATURED TOPICS INCLUDE: Psychology/Perception Image Analysis Design Text Sound Philosophy DATE: Friday & Saturday, 21-22 May 1993 TIME: 9:00 am - 6:00 pm PLACE: The Pace Downtown Theater One Pace Plaza (on Spruce Street between Park Row & Gold Street) NY, NY 10038 FEES: PRE-REGISTRATION (Prior to 1 May 1993): Members $55.00 Non-Members $75.00 Students $40.00 (Proof of F/T Status Required) REGISTRATION (After 1 May 1993 or On-Site): All Attendees $95.00 (Registration Fee Includes Brakfast, Breaks & Lunch) SEND REGISTRATION INFORMATION & FEES TO: Dr. Francis T. Marchese Computer Science Department NYC/ACM SIGGRAPH Conference Pace University 1 Pace Plaza (Room T-1704) New York NY 10036 voice: (212) 346-1803 fax: (212) 346-1933 email: MARCHESF@PACEVM.bitnet ====================================================================== REGISTRATION INFORMATION: Name _________________________________________________________________ Title ________________________________________________________________ Company ______________________________________________________________ Street Address _______________________________________________________ City ________________________________State____________Zip_____________ Day Phone (___) ___-____ Evening Phone (___) ___-____ FAX Phone (___) ___-____ Email_____________________________________ ====================================================================== DETAILED DESCRIPTION: ===================== Artists, designers, scientists, engineers and educators share the problem of moving information from one mind to another. Traditionally, they have used pictures, words, demonstrations, music and dance to communicate imagery. However, expressing complex notions such as God and infinity or a seemingly well defined concept such as a flower can present challenges which far exceed their technical skills. The explosive use of computers as visualization and expression tools has compounded this problem. In hypermedia, multimedia and virtual reality systems vast amounts of information confront the observer or participant. Wading through a multitude of simultaneous images and sounds in possibly unfamiliar representions, a confounded user asks: ""What does it all mean?"" Since image construction, transmission, reception, decipherment and ultimate understanding are complex tasks, strongly influenced by physiology, education and culture; and, since electronic media radically amplify each processing step, then we, as electronic communicators, must determine the fundamental paradigms for composing imagery for understanding. Therefore, the purpose of this conference is to bring together a breadth of disciplines, including, but not limited to, the physical, biological and computational sciences, technology, art, psychology, philosophy, and education, in order to define and discuss the issues essential to image understanding within the computer graphics context. FEATURED SPEAKERS INCLUDE: Psychology/Perception: Marc De May, University of Ghent Beverly J. Jones, University of Oregon Barbara Tversky, Standfor University Michael J. Shiffer, MIT Tom Hubbard, Ohio State University Image Analysis: A. Ravishankar Rao, IBM Watson Research Center Nalini Bhusan, Smith College Xiaopin Hu, University of Illinois Narenda Ahuja, University of Illinois Les M. Sztander, University of Toledo Design: Mark Bajuk, University of Illinois Alyce Kaprow, MIT Text: Xia Lin, Pace University John Loustau, Hunter College Jong-Ding Wang, Hunter College Judson Rosebush, Judson Rosebush Co. Sound: Matthew Witten, University of Texas Robert Wyatt, Center for High Performance Computing Robert S. Williams, Pace University Rory Stuart, NYNEX Philosophy Michael Heim, Education Foundation of DPMA ====================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: > >Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their >fingers. Yah. So? >Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his >future. He certainly didn't earn his last one. *HOW* many games did he blow in the World Series? All of the ones he started? >Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best signing. Oh, yes. Definitely. Therefore Morris is better than Clemens. Don't give me that shit. If Boston had Alomar, Olerud, Henke, and Ward while Toronto had Rivera, Jack Clark, Jeff Reardon, things would have looked a little different last fall. Give credit where credit is due. This lavishing of praise on Morris makes me sick. >And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't >even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th. I'm willing to bet they don't finish sixth. I'm also willing to bet they don't finish first. And if you give me 3-2 odds, I'm willing to bet that they finish ahead of the Blue Jays. -Valentine ";-1;0 "From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: juliet.caltech.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr3.195642.25261@njitgw.njit.edu>, dmu5391@hertz.njit.edu (David Utidjian Eng.Sci.) writes... >In article <31MAR199321091163@juliet.caltech.edu> lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes: > For a complete description of what is, and is not atheism >or agnosticism see the FAQ for alt.atheism in alt.answers... I think. >utidjian@remarque.berkeley.edu I apologize for posting this. I thought it was only going to talk.origins. I also took my definitions from a 1938 Websters. Nonetheless, the apparent past arguments over these words imply that like 'bimonthly' and 'biweekly' they have no commonly accepted definitions and should be used with care. larry henling lmh@shakes.caltech.edu ";-1;0 "From: smythw@vccnw03.its.rpi.edu (William Smythe) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Nntp-Posting-Host: vccnw03.its.rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Lines: 47 In article betel@camelot.bradley.edu (Robert Crawford) writes: >Jay Fenton writes: > >>How can the government tell which encryption method one is using without >>being able to decode the traffic? i.e., In order to accuse me of using an >>unauthorized strong encryption technique they would have to take both >>keys out of escrow, run them against my ciphertext and ""draw a blank"". > > I was thinking about this, also. It's quite possible the >system transmits, in clear, the serial number of the device being >used. That way they can start a tap, get the serial number, and use >the warrant for the first tap to get the key. > > If they tap someone who's apparently using encryption, but >don't find that prefix, then they'll assume it's an ""un-authorized"" >encryption scheme. From the limited details released so far, It seems that the clipper chip system must employ some sort of public key cryptography. Otherwise, the key management problems inherent to symetric ciphers would make the system unworkable. It probably has some sort of public key exchange that takes place at the start of each call. Thats how they would identify the private key in their data base? This means that either the NSA has developed some non RSA public key algorythm or the feds have decided to subsidize PKP & RSADSI. The former is rather an exciting posibility since keeping the algorythm secret while making chip implimentations widely avalibe will be exceptionally hard. If the feds are forced to make it avalible in order to gain public acceptance than that could break RSA's stranglehold on public key crypto in the U.S. As for my impressions of the whole scheme It seems that instead of trying to ban strong crypto, they are trying to co-opt it. Their contention that they need to keep the algorythm secret to protect the security of the key registration suggests possible inherent weakness to the algorythm. More likely is that they dont want anyone constructing black market devices which dont have the keys registered. Anyone else notice that in their Q&A session, they talk about releasing the keys only to people with proper autiorization but carefully dance around stating that the keys will simply have to be supeonaed. They seem to be trying to keep open the posibility of obtaining keys without court order even though tapping a phone line requires one. Also pick up on their implicit threat of eithe accept this or we'll ban strong crypto outright? I dont trust this plan at all and plan to oppose it in all (legal) ways possible. Bill Smythe ";16;1 "From: jingyao@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jinyao Liu) Subject: Home base and Car CB units, Motorola Beeper for sale Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: na Lines: 31 (1) Uniden 40 Channel CB Transceiver, Model Pro 710e. This is a home base unit, with connectors for external speaker and PA speaker. 3.5""x3"" internal speaker, chanel 9/10 button, NB/ANL/PA selector buttons, Volume, Squelch, RF Gain, Tone and Mic Gain controls, Comes with Mic. Side mount for mic. measures 14""x8""x3"". Plugs into 110v. Black Like new. (actually brand new) Asking $105, shipping included (2) Midland International Model 77-101C, 40 chanel, car unit This one is well used. black w/silver front. comes with mic, power cord for 12v cigarette lighter socket, gutter mount antena is also included (easy to install and remove). Asking $45, shipping included Or both for $130, including shipping. The Uniden alone is about $150 in Kmart. These two will work nicely together, have one in the garage and one in your truck. (3) Motorola Beeper. I can't quite figure out what is the model number Cost is $133 to buy from USAMobile. Don't use this no more, $65 ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 62 In article <48095@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (HM) writes: > ""Turkey must bare its teeth to Armenia."" Sooner than you expect. Remember 'Cyprus'? > I have to say I vehemently disagree with you, I have seen Too bad. In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established a vast network of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two continents. Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS in Russia and Western Europe. Armenians were involved in espionage and fifth-column activities for Hitler in the Balkans and Arabian Peninsula. They were promised an 'independent' state under German 'protection' in an agreement signed by the 'Armenian National Council.' (A copy of this agreement can be found in the 'Congressional Record,' November 1, 1945; see Document 1.) On this side of the Atlantic, Nazi Armenians were aware of their brethrens alliance. They had often expressed pro-Nazi sentiments until America entered the war. In summary, during World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1] ""Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews) when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing."" Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews - extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian. ""...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors... Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian! I don't need your bias."" Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California. [1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer: June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio Lines: 102 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr23.184732.1105@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes... {Description of ""External Tank"" option for SSF redesign deleted} >Mark proposed this design at Joe Shea's committee in Crystal City, >and he reports that he was warmly received. However, the rumors >I hear say that a design based on a wingless Space Shuttle Orbiter >seems more likely. Yo Ken, let's keep on-top of things! Both the ""External Tank"" and ""Wingless Orbiter"" options have been deleted from the SSF redesign options list. Today's (4/23) edition of the New York Times reports that O'Connor told the panel that some redesign proposals have been dropped, such as using the ""giant external fuel tanks used in launching space shuttles,"" and building a ""station around an existing space shuttle with its wings and tail removed."" Currently, there are three options being considered, as presented to the advisory panel meeting yesterday (and as reported in today's Times). Option ""A"" - Low Cost Modular Approach This option is being studied by a team from MSFC. {As an aside, there are SSF redesign teams at MSFC, JSC, and LaRC supporting the SRT (Station Redesign Team) in Crystal City. Both LeRC and Reston folks are also on-site at these locations, helping the respective teams with their redesign activities.} Key features of this option are: - Uses ""Bus-1"", a modular bus developed by Lockheed that's qualified for STS and ELV's. The bus provides propulsion, GN&C Communications, & Data Management. Lockheed developed this for the Air Force. - A ""Power Station Capability"" is obtained in 3 Shuttle Flights. SSF Solar arrays are used to provide 20 kW of power. The vehicle flies in an ""arrow mode"" to optimize the microgravity environment. Shuttle/Spacelab missions would utilize the vehilce as a power source for 30 day missions. - Human tended capability (as opposed to the old SSF sexist term of man-tended capability) is achieved by the addition of the US Common module. This is a modified version of the existing SSF Lab module (docking ports are added for the International Partners' labs, taking the place of the nodes on SSF). The Shuttle can be docked to the station for 60 day missions. The Orbiter would provide crew habitability & EVA capability. - International Human Tended. Add the NASDA & ESA modules, and add another 20 kW of power - Permanent Human Presence Capability. Add a 3rd power module, the U.S. habitation module, and an ACRV (Assured Crew Return Vehicle). Option ""B"" - Space Station Freedom Derived The Option ""B"" team is based at LaRC, and is lead by Mike Griffin. This option looks alot like the existing SSF design, which we have all come to know and love :) This option assumes a lightweight external tank is available for use on all SSF assembly flights (so does option ""A""). Also, the number of flights is computed for a 51.6 inclination orbit, for both options ""A"" and ""B"". The build-up occurs in six phases: - Initial Research Capability reached after 3 flights. Power is transferred from the vehicle to the Orbiter/Spacelab, when it visits. - Man-Tended Capability (Griffin has not yet adopted non-sexist language) is achieved after 8 flights. The U.S. Lab is deployed, and 1 solar power module provides 20 kW of power. - Permanent Human Presence Capability occurs after 10 flights, by keeping one Orbiter on-orbit to use as an ACRV (so sometimes there would be two Orbiters on-orbit - the ACRV, and the second one that comes up for Logistics & Re-supply). - A ""Two Fault Tolerance Capability"" is achieved after 14 flights, with the addition of a 2nd power module, another thermal control system radiator, and more propulsion modules. - After 20 flights, the Internationals are on-board. More power, the Habitation module, and an ACRV are added to finish the assembly in 24 flights. Most of the systems currently on SSF are used as-is in this option, with the exception of the data management system, which has major changes. Option C - Single Core Launch Station. This is the JSC lead option. Basically, you take a 23 ft diameter cylinder that's 92 ft long, slap 3 Space Shuttle Main Engines on the backside, put a nose cone on the top, attached it to a regular shuttle external tank and a regular set of solid rocket motors, and launch the can. Some key features are: - Complete end-to-end ground integration and checkout - 4 tangentially mounted fixed solar panels - body mounted radiators (which adds protection against micrometeroid & orbital debris) - 2 centerline docking ports (one on each end) - 7 berthing ports - a single pressurized volume, approximately 26,000 cubic feet (twice the volume of skylab). - 7 floors, center passageway between floors - 10 kW of housekeeping power - graceful degradation with failures (8 power channels, 4 thermal loops, dual environmental control & life support system) - increased crew time for utilization - 1 micro-g thru out the core module ";-1;0 "From: daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (S.F. Davis) Subject: Re: japanese moon landing/temporary orbit Organization: NSPC Lines: 46 In article , pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) writes: |> rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) writes: |> |> >The gravity maneuvering that was used was to exploit 'fuzzy regions'. These |> >are described by the inventor as exploiting the second-order perturbations in a |> >three body system. The probe was launched into this region for the |> >earth-moon-sun system, where the perturbations affected it in such a way as to |> >allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow |> >down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without |> >expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible"". The |> >originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan |> >was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for |> >deceleration. |> |> |> I should probably re-post this with another title, so that |> the guys on the other thread would see that this is a practical |> use of ""temporary orbits..."" |> |> Another possible temporary orbit: |> |> -- |> Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. |> pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man |> |> If you are really interested in these orbits and how they are obtained you should try and find the following paper: Hiroshi Yamakawa, Jun'ichiro Kawaguchi, Nobuaki Ishii, and Hiroki Matsuo, ""A Numerical Study of Gravitational Capture Orbit in the Earth-Moon System,"" AAS-92-186, AAS/AIAA Spaceflight Mechanics Meeting, Colorado Springs, Colorado, 1992. The references included in this paper are quite interesting also and include several that are specific to the HITEN mission itself. |--------------------------------- ******** -------------------------| | * _!!!!_ * | | Steven Davis * / \ \ * | | daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov * () * | | * \>_db_ Paul H. Pimentel writes: >What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a >s well as jewish religion, among others. What gives the US the right to keep New York? It is the home of the United Nations as well as being home to a myriad of ethnic groups. (Actually, NYC is more comparable to the Gaza Strip; the controlling authority would probably be pleased as punch to unload it on someone else -- but no-one seems to want it! :-) >Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitzak Shamir did forty or fifty >years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the way Abdul Nidal >does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so therefore >they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does. A-historical bullshit. Shamir fought the British (who, incidentally, shipped whole shiploads of Jews back to the Nazis for extermination and hung those Jewish fighters that they captured and didn't want to deal with anymore). Shamir did not attack civilians on airliners, cruise ships, in airports, sports events, movie theaters, markets, on buses and children in schoolyards. Your comparison to a Master Murderer like Abu Nidal is BLIND! -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. ";-1;0 "From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization Distribution: na Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr13.221704.4291@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >In article rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) writes: >>In article <1993Apr13.195301.22652@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: >>>Guess which line is which: >>> BA OBP SLG AB H 2B 3B HR BB >>>X .310 .405 .427 571 177 27 8 8 87 >>>Y .312 .354 .455 657 205 32 1 20 35 >> >>>The walks should give it away. OBP's, in general, somewhat more valuable than >>>slugging, and Alomar's edge in OBP was quite a bit larger than Baerga's edge >>>in slugging. >> >>I'm no SDCN, but what's more valuable: >> >>28 hits w/5 more doubles, 12 more HRs OR >>7 more triples and 52 BBs? (Let's not forget the 39 extra SBs. How many CS?) > >Alomar had 9 CS. Baerga had 2. > >Don't forget the 59 more outs Baerga had (his GIDP balances out his CS, and >he had one more sacrifice than Alomar). A replacement level second baseman >could have had 17 hits, 5 walks, and a couple of XBH for the additional >outs Baerga had. A triple is little different than a home run. We're talking >exchanging almost 60 walks for six or seven home runs and four doubles. I >would say the almost-60 walks are more valuable. Also, Alomar got a FAR greater boost from his home park than Baerga did from his. And ""six or seven home runs""? Hmm. So, if you wanted to pick a second baseman to play in Toronto, you'd take Alomar. Anywhere else, and you'd probably take Baerga. Mike -- Disclaimer - These opiini^H^H damn! ^H^H ^Q ^[ .... :w :q :wq :wq! ^d ^X ^? exit X Q ^C ^? :quitbye CtrlAltDel ~~q :~q logout save/quit :!QUIT ^[zz ^[ZZZZZZ ^vi man vi ^@ ^L ^[c ^# ^E ^X ^I ^T ? help helpquit ^D ^d !! man help ^C ^c :e! help exit ?Quit ?q CtrlShftDel ""Hey, what does Stop L1A d..."" ";14;1 "Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? From: Robert Coe Distribution: world Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA Lines: 23 jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: > >> Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were: > >> > >> April 1973 83 jupiter radii > >> August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii > > > > Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. So the > > 1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove. > > Is that the case for the 1973 figure as well? > > -- > Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language. Hmmmm.... The prefix ""peri-"" is Greek, not Latin, so it's usually used with the Greek form of the name of the body being orbited. (That's why it's ""perihelion"" rather than ""perisol"", ""perigee"" rather than ""periterr"", and ""pericynthion"" rather than ""perilune"".) So for Jupiter I'd expect it to be something like ""perizeon"".) :^) ___ _ - Bob /__) _ / / ) _ _ (_/__) (_)_(_) (___(_)_(/_______________________________________ bob@1776.COM Robert K. Coe ** 14 Churchill St, Sudbury, Massachusetts 01776 ** 508-443-3265 ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Don't more innocents die without the death penalty? From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 26 In article <2942881697.0.p00168@psilink.com> p00168@psilink.com (James F. Tims) writes: > >By maintaining classes D and E, even in prison, it seems as if we >place more innocent people at a higher risk of an unjust death than >we would if the state executed classes D and E with an occasional error. > I answer from the position that we would indeed place these people in prison for life. That depends not only on their predisposition towards murder, but also in their success rate at escape and therefore their ability to commit the same crimes again. In other words, if lifetime imprisonment doesn't work, perhaps it's not because we're not executing these people, but because we're not being careful enough about how we lock them up. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ";-1;0 "From: roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) Subject: Re: A loathesome subject Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 59 In <1ppjruINNhnt@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) writes: >In article roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) writes: >> But this does not imply that ALL relationships between youth >> and adults are exploitative and abusive. >>The critical factor here is whether the sexual activity is ""forced"" >>or whether it is an activity that is consensually agreed upon and >>freely engaged in by the people involved. >>When a child is ""forced"" there is often ""damage"", on the other hand, > Wholeheartedly agree here. >>""consensual"" relationships are often found to be ""positive experiences"" >>for all concerned. > Why do I find this hard to believe? > Care to convince us? Carlos, Why not check out some of the scientific research that has been done in this area and convince yourself. Research around the world indicates that the issue of coercion is the critical factor. For those interested in research on the topic I can suggest, Li et al (England), Constantine (United States), and Sandfort (The Netherlands). I especially like Sandfort's research for he actually quotes what the boys who are involved in the relationships have to say. Children and Sex: New Findings, New Perspectives by Larry Constantine & Floyd M. Martinson (eds.). Little Brown & Co., Boston, 1980. Boys On Their Contacts With Men by Theo Sandfort, Global Academic Publishers, Elmhurst, New York, 1987. Perspectives on Paedophilia by Brian Taylor (ed.). Batsford Academic & Educational Ltd., London, 1981. Paedophilia: A Factual Report by Frits Bernard. Enclave, Rotterdam, The Netherlands, 1985. Sexual Experience Between Men and Boys by Parker Rossman. Maurice Temple Smith Ltd., Middlesex, Great Britain, 1985. Children's Sexual Encounters With Adults by C.K. Li, D.J. West & T.P. Woodhouse. Gerald Duckworth & Co., London, 1990. Yours in Liberation, Roy -- Roy Radow roy@panix.com ...rutgers!cmcl2!panix!roy North American Man/Boy Love Association -For a packet containing a sample Bulletin, publications list and membership information send $1.00 postage to: NAMBLA Info, Dept.RR, PO Box 174, Midtown Station, NYC NY 10018. ";18;1 "From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr5.094451.8144@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes: >I am getting bored with winding up Americans. Its like bombing fish >in a barrel. Or little children at the market. (Or is that the Irish? Hard to keep all you not-really-English types straight.) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Robinson UUCP: ucbvax!cogsci!robinson INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu ";-1;0 "From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) Subject: Re: Long distance IR detection Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 88 In article <1993Apr20.183416.18744@dres.dnd.ca> sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) writes: > >-- > >I would like to be able to detect the angular position (low accuracy) of an >IR emitting source at a distance of about 100 meters (more is better) in >daylight. The IR source could be emitting a signature; I'm leaning toward >30 KHz square wave with 50% duty cycle. > >I am considering the use of a quadrant detector from Centronic Inc. to give >information to a pan/tilt head to point the sensor and thus determine the >angles. For the source I am considering wazing the heck out of an IR LED(s), >possibly an Optek OP290 or Motorola MLED81. Wazing would mean at least 1 Amp >current pulses. At this current the duty cycle of the LED drops to 10% and I >would need to cycle five of them in turn to get the 50% required. > >Has anyone done something like this? > >Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca >(403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6 A method which will directly (almost) provide you with the information that you require is that which is commonly used for coordinate measurements of human body landmarks (eg. the SELSPOT system by SELSPOT AB, Sweden, and the WATSMART System ??). These use lateral photoeffect detectors [Lindholm and Oberg, 1974; Woltring and Marsolais, 1980] to determine the position of a spot of light projected (using a camera lens) over its surface. In escence, the detector is a large photodiode with four cathodes (one on each of the four sides of the square detector crystal) and a single anode (the back of the crystal). A spot of light will produce currents which are proportional to the position of the spot on the detector's face. Let's try some ASCII graphics in 2-D (so the detector has two cathodes to detect linear position) -------------------------> 1 | | | | |\ ----- cathode 1 | | \ XXXXX ________| + \ XXXXX| | \ ------- light >XXXXX| | \_____ divider __ output XXXXX| | | / ------- XXXXX|-----| |-- | / | XXXXX| + | | ________| - / 1 + 2 XXXXX| --- gnd | | / XXXXX| \ / | |/ XXXXX| anode | XXXXX | ----- cathode 2 | | | | | --------------------------> 2 If the dot of light from the LED is the ONLY source of light, then the position of the projection is given by this circuit regardless of the level of illumina- tion (the divider is used to normalize relative to total received power). When this circuit is used in the presence of other sources of light, then the way of ""tuning"" to it is to sample for a few msec the background signal, light the LED for an equal time and sample that signal separately. The difference between the two is the position of the LED. Hamamatsu photonics sells linear and 2-D lateral photoeffect detectors, and they also sell the required signal processing electronics. The ready-made systems by SELSPOT and others are NOT cheap ... Lindholm, L.E., and K.E. Oberg, ""An Optoelectronic Instrument for Remote On-Line Movement Monitoring"", Biotelemetry, 1, 94-95, 1974. Woltring, H.J., and E.B. Marsolais, ""Opto-Electronic (SELSPOT) Gait Measure- ments in Two and Three Dimensional Space - A Preliminary Report"", Bull. Pros- thetics Research, 46-52, 1980. Most probably this technique can provide you with a much more accurate measurement than you need, but I think that its simplicity beats scanning a quadrant detector with a pan/tilt system until you reach zero difference. - David +------------------------------------------------------------+ | David Prutchi HC1DT | | Washington University | | Campus Box 1185 | | One Brookings Drive | | St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 | +------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 " sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!keith Subject: Re: <1p88fi$4vv@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1p9bseINNi6o@gap.caltech.edu> <1pamva$b6j@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1pcq4pINNqp1@gap.caltech.edu> <30071@ursa.bear.com> Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu Lines: 22 halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: >>I think an objective morality does exist, but that most flavors of morality >>are only approximations to it. Once again, a natural or objective morality >>is fairly easily defined, as long as you have a goal in mind--that is, what >>is the purpose of this morality. >Maybe I'm not quite getting what you mean by this, but I think objective >morality is an oxymoron. By definition, it seems, any _goal_ oriented >issue like this is subjective by nature. I don't get how you're using >the word objective. But, the goal need not be a subjective one. For instance, the goal of natural morality is the propogation of a species, perhaps. It wasn't really until the more intelligent animals came along that some revisions to this were necessary. Intelligent animals have different needs than the others, and hence a morality suited to them must be a bit more complicated than ""the law of the jungle."" I don't think that self-actualization is so subjective as you might think. And, by objectivity, I am assuming that the ideals of any such system could be carried out completely. keith ";-1;0 "From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year Organization: AT&T Summary: Ergonomics of gas tanks Keywords: congratz Lines: 30 In article <1993Mar30.214419.923@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes: > In article <1993Mar29.225236.9061@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes: > >[...] I had planned to get an HD this year...but instead I > >took delivery on a brand new male offspring(er) last Monday... > > Sounds like you should have been doing your planning LAST year, given > Harley-Davidson's product delivery lag and the human gestation cycle. Or perhaps any planning at all. :-) Hiya Pete, still got that CBX? Nice to hear from you again! > >And, yes, I finally did figure out why this happens, and I have > >taken steps to ensure [a storkish repetition]... > > That would be low drag bars and way rad rearsets for the FJ, so that the > ergonomic constraints would have contraceptive consequences? Ouch. :-) This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the Hurt Study. Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the rider doesn't. I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the CBR900RR and the GTS1000A. Chuck Rogers car377@torreys.att.com car377@cbnewsj.att.com ";-1;0 "From: glover@tafs2.mitre.org (Graham K. Glover) Subject: The Cold War: Who REALLY Won? Nntp-Posting-Host: gglover-mac.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA Lines: 13 If one reasons that the United States of America at one time represented and protected freedom << individual liberty and personal responsibility >> (and I do, in fact, think that this is true) and that totalitarianism << absolute government control and tyranny >> represents freedom's opposite (which it does), did the USA really win the cold war? Standard disclaimers ALWAYS apply! ---------------- Graham K. Glover ---------------- UNMUTUAL ";-1;0 "From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson) Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes: >So the question I have is ""HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING""? sorta. >The next question I have is what bike would you recommend for >a first time rider. '88 Honda Hawk YMMV. -- Paul Thompson Apple Computer ";-1;0 "From: m-it2691@DOC.CS.NYU.EDU (Tim Tsai) Subject: AWD BMW Lines: 11 X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA12484; Mon, 5 Apr 93 23:06:31 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA26423; Mon, 5 Apr 93 23:06:30 -0700 X-Received: by DOC.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA07384; Tue, 6 Apr 93 02:07:00 -0400 X-To: rec.autos.usenet X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL2] Any truth to the rumor of an AWD 3-series for '94? I believe this info was published in either Popular Science or AutoWeek a couple of months ago. Also, a friend told me that BMW used to make an AWD 325 called the 325ix. I'd appreciate any info about this car too. Thanks.. Thanks. Tim ";10;1 "From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: HV diodes Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 36 In article <7480220@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes: |> > Nope. The dag is on the outside of the tube, and is grounded. The inside |> > aluminization *is* the second anode, and is connected to the 'anode' |> > suction cup. This (with the glass of the tube in between) is a capacitor, |> > and is used as the power supply bypass/filter for the HV supply. Some |> > smaller scope tubes don't have an aquadag coating on the outside. If they |> > are in mu-metal shields, you still have a capacitor. |> |> Actually (and I think I said this in the original, but perhaps wasn't clear |> enough) there is usually both an internal AND an external dag. Of the two, |> the internal dag is the more important; the aluminization of the back of the |> phosphor is in most cases not adequate to guarantee connection to the anode |> ""button"" (and in the case where the gun assembly includes an accelerating |> electrode at anode potential, most definitely does not provide THAT |> connection). Bob is indeed correct here in more than one way. A look in the old RCA picture tube manual backs this up, as does SAMS Reference Data handbook. The internal coating around the perimeter of the CRT (not the aluminum or tin CRT face coating) is referred to as a ""dag"" as well as the outer coating. Thankfully, I didn't need to go to a f****** library to find it, either. One sparkling water for Mr. Vanderbyl (no caffeine in that, is there). -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) ";11;1 "From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) Subject: MARLINS WIN! MARLINS WIN! Article-I.D.: usenet.C51Buv.KLn Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: poppy.journalism.indiana.edu I only caught the tail end of this one on ESPN. Does anyone have a report? (Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!) -- David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 *-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* ***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** *------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* ";-1;0 "From: eric@tgm.CAM.ORG (Eric Trepanier) Subject: More Cool BMP files?? Reply-To: eric@tgm.CAM.ORG Organization: Bell Sygma, Revenue Systems Development Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr17.023017.17301@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu writes: > > Hi, everybody: > I guess my subject has said it all. It is getting boring > looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows. So, > I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file > I can share. Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for > some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files, > etc.... I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all. I downloaded the CompuServe GIF of the month. A raytraced image of a golf ball next to a hole. Very nice, 640x480x256 bitmap, easily converted to a Windows BMP. If anyone wants, I could upload a copy on Cica... Eric -- +------------------------+----------------------------+------------------+ | Eric Trepanier | Internet: eric@tgm.CAM.ORG | CI$: 71042,3207 | | 55 Grenon O. +----------------------------+------------------+ | Laval (Quebec) H7N 5M3 | Everybody has a right to believe in something | | Canada / (514)663-6929 | I believe I'll have another beer! | +------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: x90sanson@gw.wmich.edu Subject: What's the diff.between mouse.sys/com?? Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 8 What's the difference between loading mouse.com in autoexec.bat and doing device=mouse.sys in config.sys?? which one is better? Thanks a lot enrique ";-1;0 "From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: re: Its still cold, but... Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 >first ride of the season. > One thing is certain, though, its still too cold. After about 40 >minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while. When I got >home after a few hours, I kept all my gear on for about a half hour >in the house. 40F, 100% humidity, no wind protection, and 75mph >do not mix well. > Hell! This is WARM. I retired my fleece from under the Aerostich last month when the temperature got aboce 40. Try living a couple of years on the dole, so you cant afford any heating. You put the gear on in October, abd you take it off again in May. Getting out on the bike seems like a luxury in comparison cos oyur usuallu going somewhere warm. Its all relative. > >Happy cold riding. > Who are you trying to kid - its the pain that makes it all worthwhile. ";-1;0 "From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) Subject: Re: Food Dehydrators Organization: your service Lines: 10 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com > Does anybody out there have one of those food dehydrators I've been seeing > all over late-night TV recently? I was wondering if they use forced air, heat, > or both. If there's heat involved, anybody know what temperature they run at? > My wife would like one and I'm not inclined to pay >$100.00 for a box, a fan > and a heater. Seems to me you should be able to throw a dehydrator together > for just a few bucks. Heck, the technology is only what? 1,000 years old? ---------- Yeah, but 1000 years ago, you couldn't buy it from a guy with sprayed-on hair! ";-1;0 "From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) Subject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost 'Stars Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Stephen Lawrence (s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca) wrote: : Goodbye Minnesota,...you never earned the right to have an NHL : franchise in the first place! : Hope you enjoy your Twin city wide mania for HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY : (hey, by the way my old pee wee team is having a reunion in Regina, care : to come up and film the event?) : Yee haa Golden Gophers : Whatta weird town!!!!! : s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) : Western Business School -- London, Ontario This is the second posting of this kind from an idiot at a business school in Canada. What is your problem up there anyway? Is this what they teach you in business school in Canada? -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Tom Huot huot@cray.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";-1;0 "From: smd@iao.ford.com (Steve Dahmen) Subject: Changing colors on a label - HELP Organization: Ford Motor Company -- standard disclaimers apply Lines: 21 Distribution: world Reply-To: smd@iao.ford.com (Steve Dahmen) NNTP-Posting-Host: ope001.iao.ford.com I have a toggleButton widget (yes widget) and I have a routine which changes the color of the foreground and background of the label. Well, the background changes alright, but the label text does not redraw itself. I am guessing that I have to force it to redraw with an XExposeEvent sent to it via XSendEvent. Is this the best way to get the text up again? I can't seeem to get XSEndEvent to work right.... if this is a good approach, might anyone have an example lying around to show me how to do this? I've RTFM all evening and did not find a decent example. PS I keep getting Segmentation Faults in XSEndEvent, tho all the values are as expected. Thanks in Advance Stephen M. Dahmen ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenian slaughter of defenseless Muslim children and pregnant women. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 81 In article <1993Apr20.232449.22318@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: BM] Gimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. BM] It seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Again, Armenians in KARABAKH are SIMPLY defending themselves. What do The winding down of winter puts you in a heavy 'Arromdian' mood? I'll see if I can get our dear ""Mehmetcik"" to write you a letter giving you and your criminal handlers at the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle some military pointers, like how to shoot armed adult males instead of small Muslim children and pregnant women. Source: 'The Times,' 3 March 1992 MASSACRE UNCOVERED.... By ANATOL LIEVEN, More than sixty bodies, including those of women and children, have been spotted on hillsides in Nagorno-Karabakh, confirming claims that Armenian troops massacred Azeri refugees. Hundreds are missing. Scattered amid the withered grass and bushes along a small valley and across the hillside beyond are the bodies of last Wednesday's massacre by Armenian forces of Azerbaijani refugees. From that hill can be seen both the Armenian-controlled town of Askeran and the outskirts of the Azerbaijani military headquarters of Agdam. Those who died very nearly made it to the safety of their own lines. We landed at this spot by helicopter yesterday afternoon as the last troops of the Commonwealth of Independent states began pulling out. They left unhindered by the warring factions as General Boris Gromov, who oversaw the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, flew to Stepanakert to ease their departure. A local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijaines to collect their dead and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest. All the same, two attack helicopters circled continuously the nearby Armenian positions. In all, 31 bodies could be counted at the scene. At least another 31 have been taken into Agdam over the past five days. These figures do not include civilians reported killed when the Armenians stormed the Azerbaijani town of Khodjaly on Tuesday night. The figures also do not include other as yet undiscovered bodies Zahid Jabarov, a survivor of the massacre, said he saw up to 200 people shot down at the point we visited, and refugees who came by different routes have also told of being shot at repeatedly and of leaving a trail of bodies along their path. Around the bodies we saw were scattered possessions, clothing and personnel documents. The bodies themselves have been preserved by the bitter cold which killed others as they hid in the hills and forest after the massacre. All are the bodies of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly clothing of workers. Of the 31 we saw, only one policeman and two apparent national volunteers were wearing uniform. All the rest were civilians, including eight women and three small children. TWO GROUPS, APPARENTLY FAMILIES, HAD FALLEN TOGETHER, THE CHILDREN CRADLED IN THE WOMEN'S ARMS. SEVERAL OF THEM, INCLUDING ONE SMALL GIRL, HAD TERRIBLE HEAD INJURIES: ONLY HER FACE WAS LEFT. SURVIVORS HAVE TOLD HOW THEY SAW ARMENIANS SHOOTING THEM POINT BLANK AS THEY LAY ON THE GROUND. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Pat Robertson says ... Keywords: Homosexuality Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 25 [In response to a report by CBN News correspondent Ken Lormond about a meeting between Slick Willie and homosexual activists:] Lormond: ""But Clinton will not be attending a rally by homosexuals in Washington later this month. He will instead be out of town, on a retreat with Senate Democrats."" Robertson: ""Yeah, he'd better retreat."" [Laughter, followed by sustained applause] [Later, in a report by correspondent Deborah Whitsen on the fizzling boycott instigated by homosexuals against Colorado:] Whitsen: ""Colorado ski resorts have seen record crowds this year despite a call by homosexual activists for boycott of the state ... There have been record snowfalls in the mountains this year, and the skiers have been coming in droves ..."" Robertson: ""And God said, let it snow ..."" [More sustained applause] -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | ";-1;0 "From: jon@bigdog (Jon Wright) Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!) Organization: Pages Software Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr16.171211.5772@colorado.edu> bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) writes: > In article bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes: > >In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes: > >>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote: > >>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick > >>: in my jacket pocket. Life is _so_ hard. :-) > >> > >>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried > >>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too > >>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any > >>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy > >>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that > >>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly, > >>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any? There's an article in Motorcycling a couple of months back specifically on women's attire for serious and not-so-serious riding. They do mention who makes stuff specific for women's dimensions, and what also works OK enough as well. Bates will make custom jackets and leathers for a reasonable charge. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Wright ""Now how the hell did Pages Software Inc. DoD #0823 THAT come outa my mouth?"" '86 VFR700f2 ";7;1 "From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann) Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Information on PC's LOCAL BUS specification Reply-To: lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com Organization: IBM, Austin Keywords: local bus vesa pci Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr6.121757.19852@inesc.pt> jma@ingrina () writes: [STUFF DELETED] >-PCI (Intel) bus: > -Its not completely defined (YET). > -Some people think of it as a long term solution. > -Larger fanout. > -Not so cheap (complex chipset). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A friend who owns a company that builds clones shared with me the fact that the PCI chipset is NOT expensive -- how about $12? Many money-hungry-clone makers, no doubt, will attempt to price the boards high only because it's new technology. Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com) Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All statements, comments, opinions, etc. herein reflect those of the author and shall NOT be misconstrued as those of IBM or anyone else for that matter. ";-1;0 "From: u96_averba@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu Subject: Arythmia Lines: 11 Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology I don't know if anyone knows about this topic: electrical heart failure. One of my friends has had to go to the doctor because he had chest pains. The Doc said it was Arythmia. So he had to go to a new york hospital for a lot of money to get treated. His doctors said that he could die from it, and the medication caused cancer ( that he was taking). Well, I suggested that he run, excersize and eat more, ( he is very skinny) but he says that has nothing to do with it. Does anyone know what causes arythmia and how it can be treated? Thanks ";-1;0 "From: tarq@ihlpm.att.com Subject: Forsale - Steyr 9mm Parabellum Organization: AT&T Lines: 25 FOR SALE - Steyr GB 9mm Parabellum ---------------------------------- This is an excellent handgun for the first time buyer or an experienced handgunner. It is in excellent condition. I never had a misfire with it. Make: Steyr Model GB 9mm Parabellum Magazine: 18 rounds Barrel: Hard-chrome-plated inside and outside for long term durability and wear resistance. Fixed mount. Price: $375, obo. Comes with 2 magazines, original owner's manual. Contact: T. Ahmad, ihlpm!tarq, (708)979-0838 (weekdays) ";8;1 "From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu Subject: Misc./buying info. needed Organization: Hampshire College Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu Hi. I have been thinking about buying a Motorcycle or a while now and I have some questions: -Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)? -Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)? Also -Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc? -Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles? ANY related information is helpful. Please respond directly to me. Thanks a lot. -Jordan ";-1;0 "From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 22 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Kent: You say that >There are about 4-10 competing Rosicrucian orders existing today, ^^^^^^^^^ >most of them are spin-offs from OTO and other competing organizations >from the 19th century France/Germany. Maybe I should write an article Please don't! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >about all this, I spent some time investigating these organizations >and their conceptual world view systems. Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have probably spent more time than you doing the same. None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the case. Study Harder, Tony ";-1;0 "From: jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito) Subject: Re: Aerostitch: 1- or 2-piece? Organization: Encore Computer Corp. Distribution: rec In-Reply-To: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu's message of 14 Apr 93 14:40:15 EST Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: Request for opinions: Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch? We're looking for more than ""Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the 1-pc is better protection,..."" Thanks in advance, Nadine What is best? Books have been written on that! But in regard to AeroStich it really depends on your particular size, shape and needs. If you upper and lower body are not proportional (according to aero dimensions) then it probably is going to be better mixing and matching the 2 piece suit. I have the 2 piece suit and I am very happy with it. Having my life quota of scars from crashing off road, I am very concerned with good protection and I believe that the difference in protection between the 1 and 2 piece suits is almost negligible. I think the optional hip pads and back protector make much more of a difference. One thing that is nice about the 2 piece is if you go somewhere and then want to walk around for a while (still with jacket) you can just detach and stow the pants. One thing to note is that Goldfine has problems getting a good fit for many women (with standard suits). Supposedly for smaller women (and petite men for that matter) the 1 piece will fit better. Another recommendation is to pay for mods if you need them. I wish I got 2-3 inches added to my pant legs. I find the Long suits are not really that long (I can't imagine how short the standard suits must be). -- Jonathan E. Polito Internet: jpolito@encore.com Encore Computer Corp, 901 Kildaire Farm Rd, Cary, NC 27511 USA 919-481-3730/voice 919-481-3868/FAX ";-1;0 "From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Tieing Abortion to Health Reform -- Is Clinton Nuts? Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world Lines: 37 In <1993Apr5.170349.10700@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.230831.18332@wdl.loral.com> bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com writes: >>sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes: >># sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >># >We already kill people (death penalty), and that costs even more >># >money, so you could as well complain about this extremely barbaric >># >way of justice. >># >># But the death penalty is right. >># >># And how expensive can an execution be? I mean, I think rope, cyanide >># (for the gas), or the rifles and ammunition to arm firing squads are >># affordable. >># >># Now, perhaps lethal injection might be expensive, in that case, let's >># return to the more efficient methods employed in the past. >> >>Oh, sure, the death *penalty* is fairly inexpensive, but the trial and >>sentencing can run millions. >> >>--strychnine unless you wanna cut costs by skipping the trial and >> sentencing... you murderous little rat-bastard > Why as a matter of fact, I was thinking of that as a way to make >the system more efficient. And the only murderous rat-bastards are >aboritionists. Yeah, Simon's no rat-bastard, he's the Head Attack Puppy :-) >Simon TOG ";-1;0 "From: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) Subject: Re: Help with WinQVT Reply-To: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) Organization: Inst. f. Anaesthesiologie der LMU, Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: lrz Lines: 63 swartzjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeff H. Swartz) writes: > when I use a name such as rosevc.rose-hulman.edu > Initiating nameserver query for 'rosevc' > nameserver query time out > when I use the IP number > Local host or gateway not responding >I know the nameserver is correct and the router is correct. They work >fine using NCSA telnet/ftp. They are working ok, but your definitions in QVTNET.INI and QVTHOST.RC are incorrect (see below). >The docs said if you are running concurrent packet software you need to >load PKTMUX??? Does this apply to me??? No, I don't think so. You are using QVTNET and NOVELL concurrently, aren't you? They use different packet types, so QVTNET (TCP/IP) and NOVELL (IPX/SPX) should be able to coexist just fine. PKTMUX is required if you are using different TCP/IP-Packages concurrently. >This is the qvthost.rc file. >137.112.5.2 >137.112.199.50 There is the first problem: You didn't specify hostnames, just IP-Addresses. Your file should look like this: 137.112.5.2 137.112.199.50 >This is the beginning of the winqvt.ini file. >[net] >name=swartzjh.test.rose-hulman.edu Here you should only specify your hostname, without the domain part. >router=137.112.199.50 Instead, use router=, as specified in your QVTHOST.RC I know the release notes for 3.31 say that IP addresses should work also, but apparently they don't. >nameserver=137.112.5.2 Here, too, you should use the hostname of the nameserver instead of the IP address. It worked fine for me that way, although I could not specify more than one nameserver. The relnotes say it should be possible to specify up to three nameservers, separated by commas, but it didn't work. Hope it helps, Richard -- +----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Dr. Richard Spitz | INTERNET: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de | | EDV-Gruppe Anaesthesie | Tel : +49-89-7095-3421 | | Klinikum Grosshadern | FAX : +49-89-7095-8886 | | Munich, Germany | | +----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ ";6;1 "From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Analgesics with Diuretics Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA In article Lawrence Curcio writes: >I sometimes see OTC preparations for muscle aches/back aches that >combine aspirin with a diuretic. You certainly do not see OTC preparations advertised as such. The only such ridiculous concoctions are nostrums for premenstrual syndrome, ostensibly to treat headache and ""bloating"" simultaneously. They're worthless. >The idea seems to be to reduce >inflammation by getting rid of fluid. Does this actually work? That's not the idea, and no, they don't work. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer ";-1;0 "Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: Re: Karadzic on Bosnia peace plan Lines: 2 What does anyone think that Judge Wopner would do if Karadzic was on trial before him? (Nevah happen, but just a thought...) ";-1;0 "From: cfdeb01@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Dixon Berry) Subject: Mail_Order Sales, Billing, Receivables program Organization: Eastern Illinois University Lines: 20 Surely some one of you is familiar with what a mail-order company goes through. This company has only a few products, but thousands of clients. I need a Sales, Billing, and Receivables program to handle the thing, but I need to be able to customize it myself, own the source, etc. Anyone willing to sell me the basic stuff (in ANY development language) I'll be willing to pay about $1,000 to. It has to be ready now. I need this sort of solution immediately. With more time I'll just develop one myself. If you can have me a prototype in two weeks, you can make some quick cash. ************************************************************************* | Dixon Berry ""I see the light | | cfdeb01@ux1.cts.eiu.edu at the end of the tunnel, now, | | Eastern Illinois University [thanks Bill Clinton] | | Booth Library Someone please tell me | | Computer Resource Center it's not a train | | -- Cracker | ************************************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: maf@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Forssen) Subject: Re: german keyboard, X11R5 and Sparc Nntp-Posting-Host: hacket.dtek.chalmers.se Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden Lines: 11 claes@polaris (Heinz-Josef Claes) writes: >I have a Sparc[12] with a german type 4 keyboard. >Has anybody a Patch for X11R5? export.lcs.mit.edu:/pub/sunkbd..930314.tar.Z /MaF -- Martin Forssen: maf@dtek.chalmers.se or maf@math.chalmers.se System administrator at math and dtek at Chalmers univ. of technology ";-1;0 "From: bchase@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Bret Chase) Subject: Re: PDS vs. Nubus (was Re: LC III NuBus Capable?) Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu In article wis@liverpool.ac.uk (Mr. W.I. Sellers) writes: >Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey (higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov) wrote: >: In article , hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: >: > mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes: >: >>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is >: >>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? > >: > The LC family of Macs can only >: > use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus. > >: Ah, but why? Can some technically-hip Macslinger tell us what the >: difference is between PDS and Nubus? > >: Is it impossible to make a gadget that plugs into PDS and ends in a >: Nubus card cage? At least, Marvin's friend has not been able to >: locate one and neither have I. What is the fundamental reason for >: this? > >I think that there do exist NuBus expansion cages (I'm sure I've seen >them advertised occassionally), but I think that the main problem is that >they cost much more than the difference in price between say a LC and IIvx >so unless you need lots of NuBus slots its not worth the bother. > >(Of course, it may be that these extra boxes are so expensive because >no one buys them because they are so expensive...) > >NuBus technology isn't a special Apple Proprietry thing (I have this >sneaky feeling that it is licensed from Texas Instruments???) so there >is no problem building an expansion box. Apple uses the IEEE Nubus-90 standard for their 32 bit backplane bus. (I got this from a technote that I reada couple of weeks ago) >>>>>>>>>>other stuff deleted<<<<<<<<< Hope this helps, Bret Chase -- internet:bchase@wpi.wpi.edu Macintosh! bellnet: (508) 791-3725 Smile! It won't kill you! snailnet: wpi box 3129 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) 100 institute rd. Worcester, MA 01609-2280 ";-1;0 "From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) Subject: Re: NEW BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS [still not] ANSWERED (Judas) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR. Lines: 180 Mr DeCenso, in spite of requiring Scholarly opinion on the hanging of Judas, rejects that the scholarly opinion of the those scholars and then rephrases those scholars opinion on the subject: > ...we do know from Matthew that he did hang himself and Acts probably records > his death. Although it's possible and plausible that he fell from the hanging > and hit some rocks, thereby bursting open, I can no longer assume that to be > the case. Therefore, no contradiction. Matthew did not say Judas died as a > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > result of the hanging, did he? Most scholars believe he iprobably did, but..? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > I quoted all that to show that I highly regard the scholars' explanations, but > in looking at the texts initially, we can't assume Judas died. It is, > however, highly probable. ^^^^^^ and > Also, there is nothing in the Greek to suggest success or failure. It simply > means ""hang oneself"". Actually, if you do further research as to the Greek word ""apacgw,"" you will find that it does denote success. Those scholars did indeed have an excellent reason to assume that the suicide was successful. As I pointed out, I recently checked several Lexicons: ""Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament,"" Louw and Nida ""Robinson's Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament"" ""Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament,"" Grimm ""Word study Concordance,"" Tynsdale ""A Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian Writings,"" Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich ""The New Analytical Greek Lexicon,"" Perschbacher A couple simply stated ""hanged oneself"", and a couple were more explicit and stated that ""apacgw"" means specifically ""kill yourself by hanging."" A couple also noted that the meaning of one the root words for ""apacgw"" is ""strangle, throttle or choke"" (which pretty much invalidates the guy who suggested to David Joslin that Judas was hung upside down). One of the best references though, ""Robinson's Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament,"" not only stated the translation, it gave both the root words, the literal translation, related greek words which use the same roots, and also other presented specific examples of the word in greek literature (to give further context). The word ""apagchw"" has two root words: ""gchw"" is the ""to strangle"" root, and the root word ""apo"" means literally ""away."" This root words is included in words which denote a transition. It can mean a transition in place (eg: the greek word ""apagello"" means to send a message). ""Apo"" can also denote a change in state and specifically the change from life to death. Robinson specifically makes comparison to the word ""apokteiuo,"" which means ""to kill."" In literal meaning the word ""apacgw"" means ""to throttle, strangle to put out of the way,"" and implicitly denotes a change in life state (ie: away from life, to death). So while the word ""apacgw"" does mean ""to hang,"" it specifically denotes a death as well. Thus Robinson is quite specific when he state that it means ""to hang oneself, to end one's life by hanging."" He then notes the the use of ""apacgw"" in Homers Odessy 19:230 to denote context. He presents that example of ""apacgw"" as being used to explicitly mean ""suicide by hanging."" Now since there is a perfectly good word for strangling, without the added denotation of ""death,"" and as you insist that the Bible was written by God, and every word is precicely correct, you are stuck with the complete meaning of ""apacgw"" (ie: Since the word ""apacgw"" was used, then death is denoted as the result). By the way, I note that Mr DeCenso also presents an example of ""apacgw"": > In the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT used at the time of Jesus), > it's only used in 2 Samuel 17:23 : ""Now when Ahithophel saw that his advice > was not followed, he saddled a donkey, and arose and went home to his house, > to his city. Then he put his household in order, and hanged himself, and > died; and he was buried in his father's tomb."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^ > Notice that not only is it stated that Ahithophel ""hanged himself"" [Gr. Sept., > APAGCHO], but it explicitly adds, ""and died"". Here we have no doubt of the > result. > In Matthew, we are not explicitly told Judas died. Note Mr DeCenso, as you say, the Septuagint was a translation from Hebrew to Greek, and you have not shown the original meaning of the Hebrew (ie"" the the Hebrew say ""and died""), and thus whether it was simply echoed in the Greek. It should also be pointed out that, regardless of the added ""and died"", the correct translation would still be ""apacgw,"" as the man did indeed die from strangulation (redundant, but correct). Further, we have evidence that the Septuagint was repeatedly rewritten and reedited (which included versions which contradicted each other), and such editing was not even necessarily executed by Greeks. Thus I am not sure that you can use the Septuagint as it now stands, as a paragon of ancient greek. So, what you really need to prove your point Mr DeCenso, is an example, in ancient greek, of someone committing ""apacgw"" and surviving. Otherwise I would see you as simply making worthless assertions without corresponding evidence. Now I would note Mr DeCenso, that everytime I go out of my way to research it one of your apparently contrived exegisis, I pretty much find it false. Thus, I think that if you are going to add to the text, something over and above what the source clearly says, then you had better have an explicit Greek or historical source to justify it. By the way, as to Mr Rose's statement about trees around the Potter's Field: > There are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom. Unless Mr Rose can show that these trees are two thousand years old, or that there are 2000 year old stumps there, or has a 2 thousand year old description of the area which mentions such trees, then it is inappropriate for him to assert that the present placement of trees prove the location of the trees two thousand years ago (after all, things change). Now as to your other argument, ie: that the money Judas used is not the same as the 30 silvers: > As to your second question Mr DeCenso, you ask how we could be sure that the > money with which Judas purchased the land, was indeed for the betrayal, rather > than some other source. I would point out that in Acts, where it specifically > mention ""the reward of iniquity"" [Acts 1:18], it also specifically mentions > what act of iniquity they were talking about (ie: Acts 1:16 ""...concerning > Judas who was guide to those who arrested Jesus.""). Now I would point out > that when the Bible describes an act of ""iniquity,"" and then immediately > discusses ""*the* reward of iniquity,"" it would be rather inane to suggest that > it was an action of iniquity other than the one discussed."" > > > Notice that in verse 16, the word ""iniquity"" is not used. Rather, it states > that Judas ""became a guide to those who arrested Jesus"". > But the writer DID NOT stop there...vs. 17, ""for he was numbered with us and > obtained a part in this ministry."" What part did Judas play in their ministry? > ^^^^^^ True, Peter (or the author of Acts) does not specifically call Judas' betrayal ""an iniquity,"" but for that matter, neither does John specifically call Judas' actions ""an iniquity"" either. Further John 13:29 did not say that Judas took the money box, but rather said: ""Some thought that because, Judas had the money box, Jesus was telling him ""Buy what we need for the feast""; or that he should give something to the poor, So after receiving the morsel he immediately went out, and it was night."" Note that it is said that Judas left, it does not say that he took the money box. Thus when I see your explanation it still seems to me you would choose the a an unproven iniquity, mentioned by another author, in a different book, written at a different time, over the iniquity explicitly mentioned by the author of acts. I find this forced and contrived. Of course this particular argument becomes moot, since we have have seen evidence that ""apacgw"" means suicide. You see, since Judas' hanging was successful, he could not have spent the money mentioned in John 13:29, because Matthew and Mark explicitly say the betrayal was on the high holy day (ie: Passover), and thus he could not have spent the money before killing himself the next day. Thus the money which bought the ""Field of Blood"" would have to have been the 30 pieces of silver (Of course he got the 30 pieces of silver that night as well, and thus couldn't have spent that either. Oh dear, I believe that the house of cards is comming down). Maybe we should at this point, discuss now whether Jesus was crucified on Friday or Saturday as that is now part of the argument about Judas. By the way, as to where the prophesy of the Potter's field came from (ie: the mention of it in Matthew), you say: > Please, when we are done with this study on his death, remind me to discuss > this with you. I am reminding you now to discuss it now. It's all part of the same verse we are discussing, and I wish you would quit procrastinating and sidestepping these issues. Later, Dave Butler A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence. David Hume, Philosopher An Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding PS. I would note again, that you are not stating that that Bible is not possibly inerrant; you are stating that it *IS* inerrant. Since you have been, by your own admission, presenting merely ""possible"" reconciliations (I of course don't rate them that highly), then the best you can do is say that the Bible is ""possibly"" inerrant, not that it *is* inerrant. ";19;1 "From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: 2 PowerBook Questions Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.215646.23800 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 1. Why, or how actually, can a Powerbook have a 640 x 400 pixel display, regardless if it is a 9"" or 10"", and still keep the 72 dpi resolution? (I assume that it doesn't, and I don't mean to imply they *all* have these dimensions) 2. Any info on price drops or new models (non-Duo) coming up? Thanks, JT ";-1;0 "From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: anger Organization: Indiana University Lines: 34 In article news@cbnewsk.att.com writes: >>Paul Conditt writes: [insert deletion of Paul's and Aaron's discourse on anger, ref Galatians 5:19-20] > >I don't know why it is so obvious. We are not speaking of acts of the >flesh. We are just speaking of emotions. Emotions are not of themselves >moral or immoral, good or bad. Emotions just are. The first step is >not to label his emotion as good or bad or to numb ourselves so that >we hide our true feelings, it is to accept ourselves as we are, as God >accepts us. Oh, but they definitely can be. Please look at Colossians 3:5-10 and Ephesians 4:25-27. Emotions can be controlled and God puts very strong emphasis on self-control, otherwise, why would he have Paul write to Timothy so much about making sure to teach self-control? [insert deletion of remainder of paragraph] > >Re-think it, Aaron. Don't be quick to judge. He has forgiven those with >AIDS, he has dealt with and taken responsibility for his feelings and made >appropriate choices for action on such feelings. He has not given in to >his anger. Please, re-think and re-read for yourself, Joe. Again, the issue is self-control especially over feelings and actions, for our actions stem from our feelings in many instances. As for God giving in to his anger, that comes very soon. > >Joe Moore Joe Fisher ";-1;0 "From: wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: electronic odometers Article-I.D.: kuhub.1993Apr15.153153.49197 Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 10 I had the insturment panel go out in my car (a 1990 Lincoln Contenintal) which is a digital dash. They replaced the whole thing with a 1991 dash (thank god it was under the warrenty ! :-) Anyway, the odometer was reading the exact milage from the old panel. It must have a EEPROM of some sort in it that is up-dated. Seems to me that removing the battery would erase it, but it doesn't. So I guess they swapped the NVM chip (non-volitile memory) and installed it in the new dash. No, they wouldn't let me have the old dash to tinker with :-( -=-= Wes =-=- ";-1;0 "From: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com (Kevin Routh) Subject: F.Y.I.: ImageWriter to Windows... Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 [ Article crossposted from comp.windows.ms ] [ Author was Kevin Routh ] [ Posted on 19 Apr 1993 12:35:55 GMT ] For your information: I hooked up my ImageWriter I to my COM1 serial port and used the C-Itoh 8510 driver in Windows 3.1. The cable I am using is a straight-thru cable connected to a Null Modem Adapter I got at Radio Shack (catalog #26-1496a) for $4.95. It seems to work fine with both DOS and Windows. I used the following command in DOS C:\DOS\mode COM1:9600,n,8,1,p and set up the port the same way in the Windows Ports setup. the Null Modem connections are as follows: 1 to 1 2 to 3 3 to 2 4 to 5 5 to 4 6+8 to 20 20 to 6+8 7 to 7 I printed from several applications and all seems OK. -- Kevin C. Routh Internet: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com Ford Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF ELD IC Engineering 17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136 Dearborn, MI 48121-6010 Facsimile: (313) 248-6244 -- Kevin C. Routh Internet: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com Ford Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF ELD IC Engineering 17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136 Dearborn, MI 48121-6010 Facsimile: (313) 248-6244 -- Kevin C. Routh Internet: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com Ford Electronics IBMmail (PROFS): USFMCTMF ELD IC Engineering 17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121 Voice mail: (313) 337-5136 Dearborn, MI 48121-6010 Facsimile: (313) 248-6244 ";11;1 "From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Nntp-Posting-Host: dhostwo.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 46 Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: : The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the : draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, : and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior : with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us : on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and : Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. : Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. : Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. More ""gridlock"" talk from another relic of the past. The Selective Service system creates jobs and is an investment in the future of america......and whats wrong with that? We need jobs because at this point in the recovery, the economy should have generated 10 billion jobs and since it has not, the government has to step in and help. Shutting down selective service would cost ""good jobs"" and we can't do that. What we really need is to involve selective service in a more closely directed manner. We need the selective service involved in environmental protection, high-speed rail, commuter aircraft, civil rights, national service and health care. Every dollar we put into selective service now will get us $10 less spending in future. I really believe now to think about it that selective service is long-past due for the creation of a cabinet position. Your not beyond hope, just get back on america's side and start doing your part for change. What Bill needs from you now is support for the economic stimulus and health care reform. You need to devote all your energies to fighting gridlock and supporting change. Get on the team. After all, the evil has been banished from washington and the time for complaint is past being neccessary. And remember, Bill Clinton cares. He may someday even have a town meeting in your city. If your an appropriate sort of person, if you phrase your questions properly and show the proper respect and awe, you might have the chance to ask Mr, President your question in person. ";-1;0 "From: shavlik@cs.wisc.edu (Jude Shavlik) Subject: Program & Reg Forms: 1st Int Conf on Intell Sys for Molecular Biology Keywords: computational biology, artificial intelligence Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 482 [For those attending the AAAI conf this summer, note that this conference is immediately preceding it.] PRELIMINARY PROGRAM AND REGISTRATION MATERIALS First International Conference on Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology Washington, D.C. July 6-9, 1993 Sponsored by: The National Institutes of Health, National Library of Medicine The Department of Energy, Office of Health and Environmental Research The Biomatrix Society The American Association for Artificial Intelligence (AAAI) Poster Session and Tutorials: Bethesda Ramada Hotel Technical Sessions: Lister Hill Center Auditorium, National Library of Medicine For more information contact ISMB@nlm.nih.gov or FAX (608)262-9777 PURPOSE This, the First International Conference on Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology, is the inaugural meeting in a series intended to bring together scientists who are applying the technologies of artificial intelligence, robotics, machine learning, massively parallel computing, advanced data modelling, and related methods to problems in molecular biology. The scope extends to any computational or robotic system supporting a biological task that is cognitively challenging, involves a synthesis of information from multiple sources at multiple levels, or in some other way exhibits the abstraction and emergent properties of an ""intelligent system."" FACILITIES The conference will be held at Lister Hill Center National Library of Medicine 8600 Rockville Pike NIH, Building 38A Bethesda MD 20894 Seating in the conference center is strictly limited, so registrations will be accepted on a first-come, first-serve basis. Accomodations, as well as a reception and poster session, will be at the Bethesda Ramada Hotel 8400 Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda MD 20814 A special room rate has been negotiated with the hotel, of $92/day (expires 6/21). Attendees must make their own reservations, by writing the hotel or calling (800)331-5252 and mentioning the ISMB conference. To participate in a roommate-matching service, e-mail opitz@cs.wisc.edu. TRANSPORTATION The two facilities are within easy walking distance, convenient to the subway (Metro Red Line, Medical Center stop), and from there to the Amtrak station. Nearby airports include Dulles, National, and Baltimore-Washington International. PROCEEDINGS Full-length papers from both talks and posters will be published in archival proceedings. The citation is: Proceedings of the First International Conference on Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology (eds. L. Hunter, D. Searls, and J. Shavlik) AAAI/MIT Press, Menlo Park CA, 1993. Copies will be distributed at the conference to registered attendees, and will be available for purchase from the publisher afterwards. TALKS Wednesday, July 7, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast 9:00-9:15am Opening Remarks 9:15-10:30am Invited Talk ""Statistics, Protein Cores, and Predicted Structures"" Prof. Temple Smith (Boston University) 10:30-11:00am Break 11:00am ""Constructive Induction and Protein Structure Prediction"" T.R. Ioerger, L. Rendell, & S. Surbramaniam 11:30am ""Protein Secondary-Structure Modeling with Probabilistic Networks"" A.L. Delcher, S. Kasif, H.R. Goldberg, & W. Hsu 12:00-1:30pm Lunch 1:30pm ""Protein Secondary Structure using Two-Level Case-Based Reasoning"" B. Leng, B.G. Buchanan, & H.B. Nicholas 2:00pm ""Automatic Derivation of Substructures Yields Novel Structural Building Blocks in Globular Proteins"" X. Zhang, J.S. Fetrow, W.A. Rennie, D.L. Waltz, & G. Berg 2:30pm ""Using Dirichlet Mixture Priors to Derive Hidden Markov Models for Protein Families"" M. Brown, R. Hughey, A. Krogh, I.S. Mian, K. Sjolander, & D. Haussler 3:00-3:30pm Break 3:30pm ""Protein Classification using Neural Networks"" E.A. Ferran, B. Pflugfelder, & P. Ferrara 4:00pm ""Neural Networks for Molecular Sequence Classification"" C. Wu, M. Berry, Y-S. Fung, & J. McLarty 4:30pm ""Computationally Efficient Cluster Representation in Molecular Sequence Megaclassification"" D.J. States, N. Harris, & L. Hunter 7:00-7:30pm Poster Setup 7:30-10:00pm Reception & Poster Session Thursday, July 8, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast 9:00-10:15am Invited Talk ""Large-Scale DNA Sequencing: A Tale of Mice and Men"" Prof. Leroy Hood (University of Washington) 10:15-10:45am Break 10:45am ""Pattern Recognition for Automated DNA Sequencing: I. On-Line Signal Conditioning and Feature Extraction for Basecalling"" J.B. Bolden III, D. Torgersen, & C. Tibbetts 11:15am ""Genetic Algorithms for Sequence Assembly"" R. Parsons, S. Forrest, & C. Burks 11:45am ""A Partial Digest Approach to Restriction Site Mapping"" S.S. Skiena & G. Sundaram 12:15-2:00pm Lunch 2:00pm ""Integrating Order and Distance Relationships from Heterogeneous Maps"" M. Graves 2:30pm ""Discovering Sequence Similarity by the Algorithmic Significance Method"" A. Milosavljevic 3:00pm ""Identification of Human Gene Functional Regions Based on Oligonucleotide Composition"" V.V. Solovyev & C.B. Lawrence 3:30pm ""Knowledge Discovery in GENBANK"" J.S. Aaronson, J. Haas, & G.C. Overton 4:00-4:30pm Break 4:30pm ""An Expert System to Generate Machine Learning Experiments: Learning with DNA Crystallography Data"" D. Cohen, C. Kulikowski, & H. Berman 5:00pm ""Detection of Correlations in tRNA Sequences with Structural Implications"" T.M. Klingler & D. Brutlag 5:30pm ""Probabilistic Structure Calculations: A Three- Dimensional tRNA Structure from Sequence Correlation Data"" R.B. Altman Friday, July 9, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast 9:00-10:15am Invited Talk ""Artificial Intelligence and a Grand Unified Theory of Biochemistry"" Prof. Harold Morowitz (George Mason University) 10:15-10:45am Break 10:45am ""Testing HIV Molecular Biology in in silico Physiologies"" H.B. Sieburg & C. Baray 11:15am ""Identification of Localized and Distributed Bottlenecks in Metabolic Pathways"" M.L. Mavrovouniotis 11:45am ""Fine-Grain Databases for Pattern Discovery in Gene Regulation"" S.M. Veretnik & B.R. Schatz 12:15-2:00pm Lunch 2:00pm ""Representation for Discovery of Protein Motifs"" D. Conklin, S. Fortier, & J. Glasgow 2:30pm ""Finding Relevant Biomolecular Features"" L. Hunter & T. Klein 3:00pm ""Database Techniques for Biological Materials and Methods"" K. Baclawski, R. Futrelle, N. Fridman, & M.J. Pescitelli 3:30pm ""A Multi-Level Description Scheme of Protein Conformation"" K. Onizuka, K. Asai, M. Ishikawa, & S.T.C. Wong 4:00-4:30pm Break 4:30pm ""Protein Topology Prediction through Parallel Constraint Logic Programming"" D.A. Clark, C.J. Rawlings, J. Shirazi, A. Veron, & M. Reeve 5:30pm ""A Constraint Reasoning System for Automating Sequence- Specific Resonance Assignments in Multidimensional Protein NMR Spectra"" D. Zimmerman, C. Kulikowski, & G.T. Montelione 5:30-5:45pm Closing Remarks POSTER SESSION The following posters will be on display at the Bethesda Ramada Hotel from 7:30-10:00pm, Wednesday, July 7. [1] ""The Induction of Rules for Predicting Chemical Carcinogenesis in Rodents"" D. Bahler & D. Bristol [2] ""SENEX: A CLOS/CLIM Application for Molecular Pathology"" S.S. Ball & V.H. Mah [3] ""FLASH: A Fast Look-Up Algorithm for String Homology"" A. Califano & I. Rigoutsos [4] ""Toward Multi-Strategy Parallel Learning in Sequence Analysis"" P.K. Chan & S.J. Stolfo [5] ""Protein Structure Prediction: Selecting Salient Features from Large Candidate Pools"" K.J. Cherkauer & J.W. Shavlik [6] ""Comparison of Two Approaches to the Prediction of Protein Folding Patterns"" I. Dubchak, S.R. Holbrook, & S.-H. Kim [7] ""A Modular Learning Environment for Protein Modeling"" J. Gracy, L. Chiche & J. Sallantin [8] ""Inference of Order in Genetic Systems"" J.N. Guidi & T.H. Roderick [9] ""PALM - A Pattern Language for Molecular Biology"" C. Helgesen & P.R. Sibbald [10] ""Grammatical Formalization of Metabolic Processes"" R. Hofestedt [11] ""Representations of Metabolic Knowledge"" P.D. Karp & M. Riley [12] ""Protein Sequencing Experiment Planning Using Analogy"" B. Kettler & L. Darden [13] ""Design of an Object-Oriented Database for Reverse Genetics"" K.J. Kochut, J. Arnold, J.A. Miller, & W.D. Potter [14] ""A Small Automaton for Word Recognition in DNA Sequences"" C. Lefevre & J.-E Ikeda [15] ""MultiMap: An Expert System for Automated Genetic Linkage Mapping"" T.C. Matise, M. Perlin & A. Chakravarti [16] ""Constructing a Distributed Object-Oriented System with Logical Constraints for Fluorescence-Activated Cell Sorting"" T. Matsushima [17] ""Prediction of Primate Splice Junction Gene Sequences with a Cooperative Knowledge Acquisition System"" E.M. Nguifo & J. Sallantin [18] ""Object-Oriented Knowledge Bases for the Analysis of Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic Genomes"" G. Perriere, F. Dorkeld, F. Rechenmann, & C. Gautier [19] ""Petri Net Representations in Metabolic Pathways"" V.N. Reddy, M.L. Mavrovouniotis, & M.L. Liebman [20] ""Minimizing Complexity in Cellular Automata Models of Self-Replication"" J.A. Reggia, H.-H. Chou, S.L. Armentrout, & Y. Peng [21] ""Building Large Knowledge Bases in Molecular Biology"" O. Schmeltzer, C. Medigue, P. Uvietta, F. Rechenmann, F. Dorkeld, G. Perriere, & C. Gautier [22] ""A Service-Oriented Information Sources Database for the Biological Sciences"" G.K. Springer & T.B. Patrick [23] ""Hidden Markov Models and Iterative Aligners: Study of their Equivalence and Possibilities"" H. Tanaka, K. Asai, M. Ishikawa, & A. Konagaya [24] ""Protein Structure Prediction System Based on Artificial Neural Networks"" J. Vanhala & K. Kaski [25] ""Transmembrane Segment Prediction from Protein Sequence Data"" S.M. Weiss, D.M. Cohen & N. Indurkhya TUTORIAL PROGRAM Tutorials will be conducted at the Bethesda Ramada Hotel on Tuesday, July 6. 12:00-2:45pm ""Introduction to Molecular Biology for Computer Scientists"" Prof. Mick Noordewier (Rutgers University) This overview of the essential facts of molecular biology is intended as an introduction to the field for computer scientists who wish to apply their tools to this rich and complex domain. Material covered will include structural and informational molecules, the basic organization of the cell and of genetic material, the ""central dogma"" of gene expression, and selected other topics in the area of structure, function, and regulation as relates to current computational approaches. Dr. Noordewier has appointments in both Computer Science and Biology at Rutgers, and has extensive experience in basic biological research in addition to his current work in computational biology. 12:00-2:45pm ""Introduction to Artificial Intelligence for Biologists"" Dr. Richard Lathrop (MIT & Arris Corp.) An overview of the field of artificial intelligence will be presented, as it relates to actual and potential biological applications. Fundamental techniques, symbolic programming languages, and notions of search will be discussed, as well as selected topics in somewhat greater detail, such as knowledge representation, inference, and machine learning. The intended audience includes biologists with some computational background, but no extensive exposure to artificial intelligence. Dr. Lathrop, co-developer of ARIADNE and related technologies, has worked in the area of artificial intelligence applied to biological problems in both academia and industry. 3:00-5:45pm ""Neural Networks, Statistics, and Information Theory in Biological Sequence Analysis"" Dr. Alan Lapedes (Los Alamos National Laboratory) This tutorial will cover the most rapidly-expanding facet of intelligent systems for molecular biology, that of machine learning techniques applied to sequence analysis. Closely interrelated topics to be addressed include the use of artifical neural networks to elicit both specific signals and general characteristics of sequences, and the relationship of such approaches to statistical techniques and information-theoretic views of sequence data. Dr. Lapedes, of the Theoretical Division at Los Alamos, has long been a leader in the use of such techniques in this domain. 3:00-5:45pm ""Genetic Algorithms and Genetic Programming"" Prof. John Koza (Stanford University) The genetic algorithm, an increasingly popular approach to highly non-linear multi-dimensional optimization problems, was originally inspired by a biological metaphor. This tutorial will cover both the biological motivations, and the actual implementation and characteristics of the algorithm. Genetic Programming, an extension well-suited to problems where the discovery of the size and shape of the solution is a major part of the problem, will also be addressed. Particular attention will be paid to biological applications, and to identifying resources and software that will permit attendees to begin using the methods. Dr. Koza, a Consulting Professor of Computer Science at Stanford, has taught this subject since 1988 and is the author of a standard text in the field. 3:00-5:45pm ""Linguistic Methods in Sequence Analysis"" Prof. David Searls (University of Pennsylvania) & Shmuel Pietrokovski (Weizmann Institute) Approaches to sequence analysis based on linguistic methodologies are increasingly in evidence. These involve the adaptation of tools and techniques from computational linguistics for syntactic pattern recognition and gene prediction, the classification of genetic structures and phenomena using formal language theory, the identification of significant vocabularies and overlapping codes in sequence data, and sequence comparison reflecting taxonomic and functional relatedness. Dr. Searls, who holds research faculty appointments in both Genetics and Computer Science at Penn, represents the branch of this field that considers higher-order syntactic approaches to sequence data, while Shmuel Pietrokovski has studied and published with Prof. Edward Trifinov in the area of word-based analyses. REGISTRATION FORM Mail, with check made out to ""ISMB-93"", to: ISMB Conference, c/o J. Shavlik Computer Sciences Department University of Wisconsin 1210 West Dayton Street Madison, WI 53706 USA ================================================ Name____________________________________________ Affiliation_____________________________________ Address_________________________________________ ________________________________________________ ________________________________________________ ________________________________________________ Phone___________________________________________ FAX_____________________________________________ Electronic Mail_________________________________ Registration Status: ____ Regular ____ Student Presenting? ____ Talk ____ Poster ================================================ TUTORIAL REGISTRATION ____""Molecular Biology for Computer Scientists"" or ____""Artificial Intelligence for Biologists"" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ____""Neural Networks, Statistics, and or Information Theory in Sequence Analysis"" ____""Genetic Algorithms and Genetic Programming"" or ____""Linguistic Methods in Sequence Analysis"" ================================================ PAYMENT (Early Registration Before June 1) Registration: Early Late $___________ Regular $100 $125 Student $75 $100 Tutorials: One Two $___________ Regular $50 $65 Student $25 $35 Total: $___________ ================================================ Registration fees include conference proceedings, refreshments, and general program expenses. ORGANIZING COMMITTEE Lawrence Hunter NLM David Searls U. of Pennsylvania Jude Shavlik U. of Wisconsin PROGRAM COMMITTEE Douglas Brutlag Stanford U. Bruce Buchanan U. of Pittsburgh Christian Burks Los Alamos National Lab Fred Cohen U.C.-San Francisco Chris Fields Inst. for Genome Research Michael Gribskov U.C.-San Diego Peter Karp SRI International Toni Kazic Washington U. Alan Lapedes Los Alamos National Lab Richard Lathrop MIT & Arris Corp. Charles Lawrence Baylor Michael Mavrovouniotis U. of Maryland George Michaels NIH Harold Morowitz George Mason U. Katsumi Nitta ICOT Mick Noordewier Rutgers U. Ross Overbeek Argonne National Lab Chris Rawlings ICRF Derek Sleeman U. of Aberdeen David States Washington U. Gary Stormo U. of Colorado Ed Uberbacher Oak Ridge National Lab David Waltz Thinking Machines Corp. ";-1;0 "Subject: Cubs mailing list From: andrew@dark.side.of.the.moon.uoknor.edu (Chihuahua Charlie) Distribution: usa Organization: OU - Academic User Services Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.uoknor.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 14 Lines: 14 Is there anyone out there running a Chicago National League Ballclub list? If so, please send me information on it to... andrew@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu Thanks! |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/| |O| _ | Chihuahua Charlie | OU is not responsible |O| |O| | | | Academic User Services | for anything anywhere, |O| |O| |||| | The University of Oklahoma | except for that one |O| |O| |_| | andrew@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu | incident where 200... |O| |O|____________________________________________________________________|O| ";-1;0 "From: ee152fcs@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Bjorn Karlsson) Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 20 Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcc15.ucsd.edu In article <1993Apr21.073134.5117@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes: > > 1993 World Championships in Germany: > ==================================== Is there any games being shown here in the US from the WC??? Thanks mc ";-1;0 "From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) Subject: Looking for a good book for beginners Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 10 I wanted to know if any of you out there can recommend a good book about graphics, still and animated, and in VGA/SVGA. Thanks in advance -- Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu ";-1;0 "From: djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details Organization: IR Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr19.052005.20665@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: > Nothing was said about where K_P comes from. Oh? Hellman said ``each user will get to choose his or her own key.'' That's the key which I called K_P, the session key. According to Hellman, if Alice and Bob are communicating with the Clipper Chip, then Alice chooses ``her own key'' and Bob chooses ``his own key.'' This is incompatible with the suggestion that when Alice and Bob are talking, they use a _common_ K_P, chosen by classical or public-key approaches. The protocol/key-management description published so far is either incomplete or incorrect. It leaves me with no idea of how the system would actually _work_. I hope the CPSR FOIA request succeeds so that we get full details. ---Dan ";-1;0 "From: jasons@atlastele.com (Jason Smith) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc. Lines: 91 In article trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: = norris@athena.mit.edu writes: [ The discussion begins: why does the universe exist at all? ] = = Must there be a ""why"" to this? I ask because of what you also = assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no ""why"" = to His existence. So the question is reversed, ""Why can't = we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to = ""just exist""? Why must there be a ""why"" to the universe?"" One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate (at least to this layman's mind) there must be a causal event. No reasonable alternative exists. As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a ""why"". That isn't true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural). [ ... ] = = It may be that one day man not only can create life but can also = create man. Now, I don't see this happening in my lifetime, = nor do I assert it is probable. But the possibility is there, = given scientists are working hard at ""decoding"" out ""genetic = code"" to perhaps help cure disease of a genetic variation. = Again, though, must there be ""why"" or a ""divine prupose"" to = man's existence? I believe the ""genetic code"" will be entirely deciphered in our lifetimes, but we will not see man convert entirely inert material into self sustaining, reproducing life, *ever*. (I've never been much of a prophet, though. I can't even *picture* New York in my mind 8^] ). I don't believe *any* technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite having all of the parts available. Just my opinion. = = > When you say that man is *only* an animal, I have to think that you are = > presenting an unprovable statement -- a dogma, if you will. And one = > the requires a kind of ""faith"" too. By taking such a hard line in = > your atheism, you may have stumbled into a religion of your own. = = As far as we can tell, man falls into the ""mammal"" catagory. Now, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That preposition sort of precludes an absolute, doesn't it? Without an absolute conclusion, what are we left with? I believe the word ""faith"" works nicely. = if there were something more to the man (say, a soul), then = we have yet to find evidence of such. But as it is now, man = is a mammal (babies are born live, mother gives milk, we're = warm-blooded, etc.) as other mammals are and is similar in = genetic construction to some of them (in particular, primates). = For more on this check out talk.origins. = = > But before you write off all Christianity as phony and shallow, I hope = > you'll do a little research into its history and varieties, perhaps by = > reading Paul Johnson's ""A History of Christianity"". From your remarks, = > it seems that you have been exposed to certain types of Christian = > religion and not others. Even an atheist should have enough faith in = > Man to know that a movement of 2000 years has to have some depth, and = > be animated by some enduring values. = = Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism, = Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic = quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values, = thus all must be true... Well then, with an *equal* scale, and under an *equal* standard, investigate them all, and discover where God is ( or *whether* he is, for the denial of God is ultimately a statement of faith, non-falsifiable as His existence may be). For isn't this the purpose of religion - to discover, and in discovery, to *know* God? You don't mind if a few of us send up a prayer on your behalf during your research, do you? After all, if we of Christ are deluding ourselves, you really have nothing to worry about, eh? Until the King returns, Jason -- Jason D. Smith | jasons@atlastele.com | I'm not young enough to know everything. 1x1 | ";-1;0 "From: cak3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHAD ANDREW KAUFFMAN) Subject: Car alarm info. (UNGO BOX) Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 12 I want to get a car alarm and I am thinking about getting an Ungo Box. Does anyone out there have any knowledge or experience with any of these alarms? How about price ranges for the different models? Are these good car alarms? Please email me any responces. cak3@ns3.lehigh.edu Chad Chad ";-1;0 "From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: > In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: > >In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: > > > >> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day > >> in Texas. > > > >Do YOU eat all your food cold? > > Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. > Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. Brent shows his ignorance once again. Power had been cut for weeks. And he's never lived in a rural area if he thinks electric stoves have favor there. They stop working when the power fails, and power restoration come MUCH slower in the country, than the city. LP gas stoves and ovens are very much prefered. > > -- > <><><><><><><><><><> Personal opinions? Why, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > <> BRENT IRVINE <> yes. What did you think <> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu <> > <><><><><><><><><><> they were?....... <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 ";-1;0 "From: sdoran@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steven D Marcotte) Subject: Data corruption Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu I quit windows normally to run a special DOS app, got done with it and tried to start windows. Ok got the title screen, Windows background, DOS with an error about loading PROGMAN.EXE. Hum, yep PROGMAN.EXE is still there. Must be bad, ok pull off PROGMAN.EXE from a backup tape, start windows, get the windows title screen, windows background, DOS with the same error. HUM! Fire up the good ol' Norton Disk Doctor, test, 500 lost clusters! Ok, fix them, and look through them, doesn't look important. Remove the Windows directory, and reinstall from disks. Fire up windows, title screen, background, Program Manager, Success! I have a 486/50 (Amy) with 4 meg of RAM, 120 meg HD, SVGA, running under DOS 5.0, no special memory managers or stuff, just the basic Windows 3.1 A 12 meg permanent swap file using 32-bit Access. I mainly use Windows to run more that one DOS app at a time. (ie downloading with Qmodem with a DOS window open, and possibly POV running in the background.) I've noticed that since I started using Windows a few months ago, lost clusters have gotten more and more common. Although I don't like having data just disappear, it really haven't been a problem except for today. Has anyone else had any problems with lost clusters while running windows? And what could I do to fix the problem, I'd sleep better knowing Amy wasn't loosing her marbles. :) Steven -- Steven Marcotte sdoran@matt.ksu.ksu.edu ";6;1 "From: B8HA000 Subject: Zionism is Racism Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily (the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail. Steve ";-1;0 " cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!bdunn Subject: Re: The wrong and the right. From: bdunn@cco.caltech.edu (Brendan Dunn) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu Lines: 25 In article <93090.141001E62763@TRMETU.BITNET> writes: >Hi.I'm a Turkish guy who had tried atheism,satenism and buddism at some instant >s of hislife.Finally I decided on Islambecause of many facts which I intend to > write here.From my point of view,you atheists are people who has dropped to a >deep,dark well and thinking the only reality is the dusty walls of the well.But > if you had looked a little bit upward you would see the blue skies.You'dsee t >he truth but you close your eyes.Allah is the only GOD and Mohammed is his mess > ager.now,let's generate some entropy in means of theology and thermodynamics.W >hat's your point of view to the problem of the ''FIRST KISS''?That is,the first > spark which was generated for the formation of the universe.Has it formed by i >tself?You are bothering yourselves with the Big Bang but where is the first spa >rk?Please think a bit.Think and return to the only reality of the universe:ISLA >M| Uh oh. This looks a bit too much like Bobby's ""Atheism Is False"" stuff. Are we really going to have to go through this again? Maybe the universe is cyclical! :) :( --Brendan Dunn ";-1;0 "From: gthomas@fraser.sfu.ca (Guy Thomas) Subject: Re: What is going on?... Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Distribution: inet Lines: 13 zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.055100.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes: >... >> If you can't be bothered reading, get the video ""Manufacturing Consent"". >> >In reply to mail queries; I don't know if a video is available yet. I asked >about a month ao and was told RSN. Yes it is. From the National Film Board of Canada. Guy gthomas@native-ed.bc.ca ";16;1 "From: kahn@troi.cc.rochester.edu (James Kahn) Subject: Re: Tigers-A's Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) Lines: 11 Nntp-Posting-Host: troi.cc.rochester.edu In article <1993Apr14.185317.12231@sbcs.sunysb.edu> wynblatt@sbgrad5.cs.sunysb.edu (Michael Wynblatt) writes: > >Weird thing: Leading 20-4 going into the top of the ninth, Sparky > used his ace closer, Henneman. The tigers have 8 relievers > and at least 6 were rested/available. Does Sparky trust > them that little ? I think he just wanted to get Henneman some work, because the Tigers had days off both the day before and the day after. Jim ";-1;0 "From: spiro@netcom.com (Philip N. Spiro) Subject: Re: NEW CD-ROM for Gateways', and misc. info Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: na Lines: 15 Terry Clark (tclark@news.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote: : The upgrade to a Nanao 550i is now $765. : (this monitor will handle 1280x1024 at a vertical refresh : of 72-76Hz). Not according to Nanao. The 550i will not do better than 60Hz at 1280x1024. BTW, Gateway told me the same thing. -- Phil ------------------------------------------- Phil Spiro spiro@netcom.com 415-964-6647 ";5;1 "From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) Subject: Re: Expanded NL Strike Zone? (Was Re: A surfeit of offense?) Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 5 It was my impression watching the Mets & Rockies that umpires were calling strikes above the belt, too, but not as far up as the letters. It would be nice if this were the case. Jay ";-1;0 "From: srlnjal@grace.cri.nz Subject: CorelDraw BITMAP to SCODAL (2) Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand. Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz Yes I am aware CorelDraw exports in SCODAL. Version 2 did it quite well, apart from a few hassles with radial fills. Version 3 RevB is better but if you try to export in SCODAL with a bitmap image included in the drawing it will say something like ""cannot export SCODAL with bitmap""- at least it does on my version. If anyone out there knows a way around this I am all ears. Temporal images make a product called Filmpak which converts Autocad plots to SCODAL, postscript to SCODAL and now GIF to SCODAL but it costs $650 and I was just wondering if there was anything out there that just did the bitmap to SCODAL part a tad cheaper. Jeff Lyall Inst.Geo.&.Nuc.Sci.Ltd Lower Hutt New Zealand ";-1;0 "From: JJMARVIN@pucc.princeton.edu Subject: prayers and advice requested on family problem Organization: Princeton University Lines: 70 My brother has been alienated from my parents and me since shortly after his marriage to a domineering and insecure woman, about twelve years ago. We've kept things on a painfully polite, Christmas-card sort of level for most of this time. Attempts to see each other end disastrously, with his wife throwing a screaming fit and storming out over either our imagined slights to her, or his inattention or insensitivity to her (I mean, this'll happen by the end of a single restaurant meal). He seems, from what I've seen, to live in a state of quivering anxiety, hoping futilely to keep the next storm from breaking. He has sacrificed not only meaningful contact with us but also other friends and outside interests. Now, this is his choice, and I need to accept it even if I deplore it. But it's hard. From time to time I've wanted to drop the pretense that we have a relationship--by cutting off contact--or trying to have a real if painful relationship, by talking honestly with him, but I've always thought, ""Why be dramatic? And you know he'll only get evasive and then find some excuse to get off the phone. Just leave the door open, in case he ever decides to come back."" It's been an unsatisfying choice, to allow us to go on with the superficial trappings of a relationship, but it was the best I could think of. Now, this weekend, my mother finally decided that she wasn't going to pretend any more and has cut off relations with them. This was the outcome of a phone conversation in which my sister-in-law screamed and raved at my mother, blaming her for everything wrong in their lives, and in which my brother evaded, temporized, claimed the situation was beyond his control, and as always expected my mother to make all the allowances and concessions. Mom said she would not, that she would not quietly take abuse any more, and that if these were the terms of their relationship, she didn't want to talk to or see them any more. And she hung up. (I have never seem my mother lose her temper, and I think that this is the first time she's ever hung up on someone.) Mom says she feels as if she's divorced my brother, and that it's a relief in some ways to have the break out in the open and done with. I have mixed feelings. I'm proud of Mom for sticking up for herself; angry at my brother and sister-in-law for hurting her, for being jerks, for persisting in such a wretched life, which hurts us all and is warping their children; angry at my sister-in-law for being so hateful, and angry at my brother for being a coward and having so little respect for himself or us that he's willing to throw us aside and use up all his energy trying to appease an unappeasable, emotionally disturbed woman; pained for their children, who are a mess; scared for the future, since this marks the time when either things will change and improve or the break will become irrevocable; nastily self- righteous over this bit of proof that they can't ""get away"" with treating us or each other this way, and then disgusted with myself for even beginning to gloat over others' misery; and finally, mostly, sad, sad, sad, to see my parents hurt and my brother and sister-in-law trapped in a horrible, destructive situation that they can't see a way out of--or they can't bear to take whatever paths they do see. And I'm frustrated because I don't know what if anything to do, and doing nothing drives me up the wall. I try to pray, about my own feelings of rage, impotence, and vindictiveness, and about their situation, but I am not free of the desire to *DO* something concrete. (The desire to *DO* something, to define a problem and fix it, is one of my besetting vices; I'm having a terrible time quieting down my internal mental chatter enough to listen for God.) Do you thoughtful and kind people on the net have advice for me? Is this a time to reach out to my brother? To let things be? How can I conquer my rage AT him enough to be there FOR him? Here's the big question I've been evading throughout this long, long post: Is it ok, as a Christian and a proponent of faith, hope, and charity, to accept the destruction of a relationship? To give up on my own brother, or at least to accept that I am powerless to help him and can only wait and see what happens? Do please answer--by e-mail or post. Thank you. Julie (jjmarvin@pucc.princeton.edu) ";17;1 "From: pef1@quads.uchicago.edu (it's enrico palazzo!) Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they? Reply-To: pef1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 36 > = From: Graydon > If all of these things have been detected in space, has anyone > looked into possible problems with the detectors? > That is, is there some mechanism (cosmic rays, whatever) that > could cause the dector to _think_ it was seeing one of these > things? > Graydon That would not explain why widely separated detectors, such as on Ulysses and PVO and Ginga et al., would see a burst at the same time(*). In fact, be- fore BATSE, having this widely separated ""Interplanetary Network"" was the only sure way to locate a random burst. With only one detector, one cannot locate a burst (except to say ""It's somewhere in the field of view.""). With two detectors, one can use the time that the burst is seen in each detector to narrow the location to a thin annulus on the sky. With three detectors, one gets intersecting annuli, giving two possible locations. If one of these locations is impossible (because, say, the Earth blocked that part of the sky), voila, you have an error box. BATSE, by having 8 detectors of its own, can do its own location determination, but only to within about 3 degrees (would someone at GSFC, like David, like to comment on the current state of location determination?). Having inde- pendent sightings by other detectors helps drive down the uncertainty. You did touch on something that you didn't mean to, though. Some believe (in a reference that I have somewhere) that absorption-like features seen in a fraction of GRBs can actually be caused by the detector. It would be a mean, nasty God, though, that would have a NaI crystal act like a 10^12 Gauss neutron star...but this is getting too far afield. Peter peterf@oddjob.uchicago.edu ";-1;0 "From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Atlanta Hockey Hell!! Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 24 In article <0foVj7i00WB4MIUmht@andrew.cmu.edu> Mamatha Devineni Ratnam writes: > >Well, it's not that bad. But I am still pretty pissed of at the >local ABC coverage. They cut off the first half hour of coverage by playing [stuff deleted] Ok, here's the solution to your problem. Move to Canada. Yesterday I was able to watch FOUR games...the NJ-PITT at 1:00 on ABC, LA-CAL at 3:00 (CBC), BUFF-BOS at 7:00 (TSN and FOX), and MON-QUE at 7:30 (CBC). I think that if each series goes its max I could be watching hockey playoffs for 40-some odd consecutive nights (I haven't counted so that's a pure guess). I have two tv's in my house, and I set them up side-by-side to watch MON-QUE and keep an eye on BOS-BUFF at the same time. I did the same for the two afternoon games. Btw, those ABC commentaters were great! I was quite impressed; they seemed to know that their audience wasn't likely to be well-schooled in hockey lore and they did an excellent job. They were quite impartial also, IMO. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (not suffering from a shortage of hockey here) ";-1;0 "From: pnakada@oracle.com (Paul Nakada) Subject: Eating and Riding was Re: Drinking and Riding Article-I.D.: pnakada.PNAKADA.93Apr5140811 Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: pnakada.us.oracle.com X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. What's the feeling about eating and riding? I went out riding this weekend, and got a little carried away with some pecan pie. The whole ride back I felt sluggish. I was certainly much more alert on the ride in. I'm sure others have the same feeling, but the strangest thing is that eating is usually the turnaround point of weekend rides. From now on, a little snack will do. I'd much rather have a get that full/sluggish feeling closer to home. -Paul -- Paul Nakada | Oracle Corporation | pnakada@oracle.com DoD #7773 | '91 R100C | '90 K75S ";-1;0 "From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: ""Rubber-hose cryptanalysis"" Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 7 Some sick part of me really liked that phrase.... Actually, merely the threat of a *long* prison sentence, even without a beating, can get most people to give in. Especially if it's also punctuated with a trip to the county jail, where one just happens to get locked up with all the drunk/stoned/crazy folks that are too violent to be left in cells with other people.... ";-1;0 "From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) Subject: Re: The Escrow Database. Nntp-Posting-Host: castor.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com Organization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr20.021846.2423@shearson.com> pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes: > >each of the two escrow databases. Fits conveniently on a single very >valuable Exabyte tape. This can only get easier with time, but who >cares -- I can already hold all the clipper keys in the country in my >pocket on two 8mm tapes. Excellent point, and there's a related point I'd like to make. They'll have to back up these databases themselves, won't they? How many tape copies will there be, and how secure will the tapes be? If they store them off-site, it wouldn't be too hard to hijack them in transit. If they're all kept on-site, one good bomb attack by some group intent on freeing us from the threat of government snooping will take care of the problem once and for all. I can see it now -- ""Hi, we're from the government and we, um, misplaced our copy of your key. Could you mail us a copy?"" ";-1;0 "From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Market or gov failures Article-I.D.: mksol.1993Apr6.133130.8998 Distribution: sci Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 52 In 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) writes: >[Fred saying that gov coercive poser is necessary for any space program] >I reply; >>>BTW, Fred, you've really crossed the border, since you admit that the ideas >>>you support can only be carried out with coercive power. Now that's really >>>f***in' intolerant, so get off yer high horse about tolerance. >Fred replies; >>No, Tommy, I ""admit"" that there are such things as 'market failures' >>which necessitate intervention by other than capitalist forces to >>correct. >I guess your understanding of this 'market failure' should be classified >under Phil's 'economics on the level of 19th century medicine', since you >apparently completely ignored that this 'market failure' can as easily, >or even much more easily, be attributed to ""government intervention >failure"". So, in addition to a strong moral argument against what you >propose, there is also a strong utilitarian argument, namely that gov's >destruction of wealth through confiscastory taxation and redistribution >on a major scale has made significant private capital investments harder >to make. I note that you make no such case as you claim can be 'even more easily made'. Yes, the argument can (and has) been made that current government policy creates even larger market barriers than there were in the first place, but there is no such term as 'government failure', since the government can change policies whenever it pleases. The market doesn't do that and is governed by (relatively) well-understood forces. This libertopican bilge about 'moral arguments' about taxation, etc., is, at bottom, so much simplistic economic thinking. It can only be 'justified' by cliche derision of anyone who knows more about economics than the libertopian -- which is what invariably happens. Tripe a la Tommy, the new libertopian dish. >>Get a clue, little boy, and go salve your wounded pride in my not >>considering you infallible in some other fashion. I'm not interested >>in your ego games. >Puh-leese, Fred. This, besides being simply an attempt to be insulting, >really belongs on private mail. If 'ego-games' are so unimportatnt to >you, why the insults and this strange negative attatchment for me? Wherever do you get this inflated idea of your own importance? -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. ";-1;0 "From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: Legality of the jewish purchase Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 7 While one may question the motives of the Arabs who sold land to Jews, often while publicly criticizing the sale of land to Jews, it was the Jews and not the Arabs who were taken advantage of, as the prices the Jews paid for barren land was many times the price fertile land was being sold for in the United States at the same time. -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org ";-1;0 "From: sigma@rahul.net (Kevin Martin) Subject: Re: XV under MS-DOS ?!? Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 11 In <1993Apr20.083731.260@eicn.etna.ch> NO E-MAIL ADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch writes: >Do somenone know the solution to run XV ??? any help would be apprecied.. I would guess that it requires X, almost certainly DV/X, which commonly uses the GO32 (DJGPP) setup for its programs. If you don't have DV/X running, you can't get anything which requires interfacing with X. -- Kevin Martin sigma@rahul.net ""I gotta get me another hat."" ";-1;0 "From: boylan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Terran Boylan) Subject: Reaction-Diffusion techniques Organization: Engineering Animation, Inc. Lines: 24 This past week I've been playing with some of the R-D (Reaction- Diffusion, not to be confused with RDS or R&D) techniques from SIGGRAPH '91. I was wondering what material is available to explain the control mechanism a little more. It seems to me very much like a matter of picking random magic numbers and sitting back and waiting. Although both of the papers (Turk and Witkin & Kass) were very well organized and extremely helpful, I guess what I need is a more basic description of the technique, especially wrt the control mechanisms. The tests that I did had a tendency to either turn into blurry mud or become unstable. Is there any info available online? Source code would be great but not necessary. Thanks! -- --- Terran J. Boylan, Sr. Artist/Programmer | ""It's better to have loved Engineering Animation, Inc., Ames, IA | and lost than just to have (515) 296-9908 / (515) 296-7892 (> 5PM) | lost."" -- Dorky Dog ";1;1 "From: mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew liggett) Subject: Re: Opel owners? Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 62 In cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: >>In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: >>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? >>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, >>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My >>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition, >>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run >>>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine >>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and >>>>I am quite interested in it. >>>>Thanks! >>>>Darren Gibbons >>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca >>> >>> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? >>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same >>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily >>be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels. >>Craig > I think the Manta is the European name for the ""GT."" I'm pretty sure >that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans. I think the >GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta. >-- >Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu >*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA******** Bzzt. The manta was a two-door sedan in the US. It had a 1900 engine. Was sometimes referred to as an Opel 1900. Manta's are also ve hot and fun cars too. -- /-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-\ | |\/| __ -=> mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu <=- (mliggett@iugold.bitnet | * | |/\|| 'junk' collector, toys R us kid, antiauthoritarian, and fan of * | frogs, iguanas, and other herps. | ";-1;0 "From: simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Nntp-Posting-Host: nin Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England Lines: 29 In article <1qjclt$nh7@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > [...] > > [as I recall, I first entered the fray on this matter in response to > an assertion by Simon Clippingdale that morality was relative. Oops! Quite right. I got so busy that I saved Frank's last post back then, intending to respond when I could, and I sort of forgot. I'll try to do it soon if anyone's still interested, and probably even if they're not. > Is he therefore trying to sell something? I don't think so. ] Well, yes, maybe I am. I'm trying to have people buy and take on my opinions, thus causing said opinions to spread in time-honoured memetic virus mode until the world is a veritable paradise. So how about it, folks? As they say over here, You Know It Makes Sense. > Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' > odwyer@sse.ie from ""Hens"", by Evelyn Conlon Cheers Simon -- Simon Clippingdale simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk Department of Computer Science Tel (+44) 203 523296 University of Warwick FAX (+44) 203 525714 Coventry CV4 7AL, U.K. ";-1;0 "From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr20.142131.27347@rti.rti.org> jbs@rti.rti.org writes: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >> >>Well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv >>to get the trial they deserved. Instead they chose to set fire to their >>compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas. > >This is about the third person who's parroted the FBI's line about the >fires being set ""six hours after the tear gas was injected."" Suppose you >want to explain to us the videotape footage shown on national TV last night >in which a tank with the gas-injecting tubes is pulling its injection tubes >out of the second story of a building as the building begins to belch smoke >and then fire? > >Do tell. > > -joe Not to mention that the story was rewritten today. Those two BD's who ""admitted to starting the fire"", forget 'em, they don't exist anyone. Today, ""a few saw someone starting a fire"" and ""our aerial surveillance showed them starting fires"" at this morning's press conference. Tomorrow, even this excuse may evaporate. A reporter pointed out that a BD being brought to arraingement shouted that tanks knocking over lanterns started the fire. Curiouser and curiouser. -- + Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only + |*Clinton*Gore*CIA*FBI*DEA*Assassinate*Bomb*WoD*BoR*ATF*IRS*Resist*NSA* | |*Christian*God*Satan*Apocalypse*ZOG*Nazi*Socialist*Communist*Explosive*| +*fundamentalist*revolution*NSC*Federal Reserve*Constitution*gold*FEMA* + ";-1;0 "From: mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Nntp-Posting-Host: herky.cs.uiowa.edu Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 63 From article <1993Apr15.092101@IASTATE.EDU>, by tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan): > Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks > who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to > believe for somebody trying to be objective. > When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot > blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. > What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? > Do you think it was your right to be there? There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor until 1923. Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? > I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only > not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. > It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. > I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the > visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it > was a positive attempt to make the relations better. > Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean. There are some things on which there can not be a compromise. > The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated > people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person > because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is > not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals > why the hatred? Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment directly or indirecly is a ""bad"" person. It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support of the actions of your goverment that make you ""bad"". People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and as a such you must pay the price. > So that makes me think that there is some kind of > brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person > treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your > history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish > encounters during your schooling. > take it easy! > > -- > Tankut Atan > tankut@iastate.edu > > ""Achtung, baby!"" You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks. Just talk to Greeks, Arabs, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had the luck to be under Turkish occupation. They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction. You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about them from people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness. Napoleon ";-1;0 "From: thouchin@cs.umr.edu (T. J. Houchin) Subject: FOR SALE: Paradise SVGA accelerator card Article-I.D.: umr.1993Apr17.080644.2922 Distribution: usa Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: mcs213c.cs.umr.edu Originator: thouchin@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu FOR SALE: Paradise SVGA accelerator card -800x600x32768 -1240x1024x16 -up to 15 times faster than vga -manual, drivers -used for 5 months, perfect condition -WD chipset $120 OBO for more info THOUCHIN@CS.UMR.EDU T.J. HOUCHIN ";-1;0 "From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 39 In article warlord@MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins) writes: > >The point here is not the specific instance of the Wiretap Chip. >Rather, it is like having the government telling you that they want a >copy of your house key, safe-deposit box keys, etc., and telling you >that ""they wont use them unless its totally neccessary."" I sure >wouldn't want that. Why should encryption be any different? Actually the govrnment is telling you that if you want to use their ""product"" the manufacturer (actually better yet, some ""trusted"" pair of escrow agencies) has to have the key. Most of us already are in this situation--our car makers have keys to our cars (or can get them quickly from the VIN number), and I have no doubt that if presented with a court order, they'd surrender copies to the government. Chances are that many locksmiths have the code numbers for house locks they've installed, and in an emergency can cut keys; thus they'd also provide such keys to the government pursuant to a court order. The state has no difficulty gaining access to your safe deposit box if they have a court order. Bad analogy. This is not to argue for or against the proposal, but rather better distinctions are required in thinking about it than ""house key, safe-deposit keys, etc."". David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. ";16;1 "From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) Subject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 23 dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes: >Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this >card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on >latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors >in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. >I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors >in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible >quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. >What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. >Thx Dave L Might the problem not be with the video monitor instead? Many of our monitors, as they age, develop shadows on white and bright colors. -- Peter Goudswaard _________ _________ goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred) | | __/^\__ | | pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca | | \ / | | pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca | | _/\_\ /_/\_ | | | | > < | | ""There's no gift like the present"" | >_________< | | - Goudswaard's observation |_________| | |_________| ";-1;0 "From: vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) Subject: Inner Ear Problems from Too Much Flying? Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada V6V 2J3 Lines: 6 Can one develop inner-ear problems from too much flying? I hear that pilots and steward/esses have a limit as to the maximum number of flying hours -- what are these limits? What are the main problems associated with too many long-haul (over 4 hours) trips? Frequent Flyer. ";-1;0 "From: heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Andreas Heinbokel) Subject: LOOKING for AD PC-Board Keywords: AD Reply-To: heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de Organization: Universitaet Hannover, Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik Lines: 43 This is for a friend of mine. Please send answers directly to him (E-Mail adress see below )! HIGHSPEED ANALOG-DIGITAL PC-BOARD Hello LAdies and Gentleman ! I am looking for a highspeed A/D PC-Board with a sampling rate above 250 MHz an a resolution of 8-bit. The sampling rate can be arranged by an interleave mode where the time equivalent sampling yields 2, 4 or 8 times higher sampling rate than the A/D-Converter uses in non interleave mode. The board must content an A/D-Converter similar to Analog Devices AD 9028 or AD 9038 or if available a faster on. If you a PC-Board (16-bit slot, ISA) with this specification or better, please send me an EMail hansch@cdc2.ikph.uni-hannover.dbp.de or a Telefax to: ++49 / 511 / 7629353 Thanks in advance for your help ! Sincerely Matthias Hansch IKPH, University of Hannover, Germany --- Andreas Heinbokel heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de *** ... all wisdom is print on t-shirts *** ";-1;0 "From: Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel) Subject: PS/2 Appletalk card question Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 17 I have a chance to buy a used PS/2 Appletalk card to create a network with my home machines. However, the guy who has the card tells me there's a DB-9 or DB-15 (can't remember now) on the back of the card, rather than the 8-pin (or 4-pin) mini-din that I expect. This sounds more like a Thicknet ethernet card. Should there be a transciever on it, like on the Quadras? What would be a reasonable price to expect to pay for one of these cards, keeping in mind that it's Micro-Channel Architecture, which means take your best guess and double it. Email replies would be appreciated, to here or to rrr@ideas.com Thanks. [RICHR] -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 ";-1;0 "From: bls101@keating.anu.edu.au (The New, Improved Brian Scearce) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: Australian National University Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.126.9 In-reply-to: todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu's message of Mon, 19 Apr 93 20:56:15 GMT In-reply-to: todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu's message of Mon, 19 Apr 93 20:56:15 GMT Newsgroups: sci.energy,sci.image.processing,sci.anthropology,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,sci.skeptic,sci.med,alt.alien.visitors Subject: Re: Krillean Photography References: <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> Distribution: --text follows this line-- todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly appreciated. In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. There have been a number of scientific papers (in peer-reviewed journals) published about Kirlian photography in the early 1970s. Sorry I can't be more specific but it is a long time since I read them. They would describe what is needed and how to set up the apparatus. These papers demonstrate that the auras obtained by Kirlian photography can be completely explained by the effect of the electric currents used on the moisture in the object being photographed. It has nothing to do with the ""energy signature"" of organic objects. I did a science project on Kirlian photography when I was in high school. I was able to obtain wonderful auras from rocks and pebbles and the like by first dunking them in water. Barbara -- -- bls101@syseng.anu.edu.au ""I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it."" - Mae West ";-1;0 "From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: VIPER Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 8 Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper. I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge, and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket. Wierd dream, I wonder what it means.... Roy. ";-1;0 "From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 68 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes: > If the Clipper chip can do cheap crypto for the masses, obviously one > could do the same thing WITHOUT building in back doors. I agree. So why is Cylink the only (and expensive) game in town? Note: I think Cylink is great, and if my boss would double my salary, I'd buy a bunch of their stuff :). One thing that Clipper offers is interoperability, at a higher degree of security than we currently have in non-proprietary voice encryption systems. This means it will be cheaper than anyone's proprietary scheme, and easier to deploy. This is, of course, either a bug or a feature depending on how you look at it :). > Indeed, even without special engineering, you can construct a good > system right now. A standard codec chip, a chip to do vocoding, a DES > chip, a V32bis integrated modem module, and a small processor to do > glue work, are all you need to have a secure phone. Great! Where can I buy it? Another note: If ""Clipper"" increases the incentive to bring stronger encryption to the mass market, all the better. It's far overpriced at the moment. > Yes, cheap crypto is good -- but we don't need it from the government. I don't care where we *need* to get it from, I care where we *can* get it from, and whether it will interoperate with everyone else. > Indeed, were it not for the government doing everything possible to > stop them, Qualcomm would have designed strong encryption right in to > the CDMA cellular phone system they are pioneering. Were it not for the > NSA and company, cheap encryption systems would be everywhere. As it > is, they try every trick in the book to stop it. Had it not been for > them, I'm sure cheap secure phones would be out right now. You can build them right now as long as you don't want to export (a restriction I firmly oppose). The only thing stopping people from making cheap encryption is greed: they want a lock on the market. > They aren't the ones making cheap crypto available. They are the ones > keeping cheap crypto out of people's hands. When they hand you a > clipper chip, what you are getting is a mess of pottage -- your prize > for having traded in your birthright. Oh, come on. Only if you trust it farther than it deserves. A Clipper phone *IS NOT* a substitute for a Cylink phone, or a STU-III. It's a substitute for the ""voice scramblers"" advertised in the back of Radio Electronics. > Are we getting cheaper crypto > for ourselves? No, because the market would have provided that on its > own had they not deliberately sabotaged it. I disagree. Modulo ITAR, it's not the government that has sabotaged the market. > Someone please tell me what exactly we get in our social contract in > exchange for giving up our right to strong cryptography? Can you tell me where exactly we have given up that right? Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation ";-1;0 "From: by028@cleveland.freenet.edu (Gary V. Cavano) Subject: Pantheism & Environmentalism Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 21 Hi... I'm new to this group, and maybe this has been covered already, but does anybody out there see the current emphasis on the environment being turned (unintentionally, of course) into pantheism? I've debated this quite a bit, and while I think a legitimate concern for the planet is a great thing, I can easily see it being perverted into something dangerous. As evidence, may I quote THE WALL STREET JOURNAL (of all things!), April 2 (Editorial page): ""We suspect that's because one party to the (environmental) dispute thinks the Earth is sanctified. It's clear that much of the environmentalist energy is derived from what has been called the Religious Left, a SECULAR, or even PAGAN fanaticism that now WORSHIPS such GODS as nature and gender with a reverence formerly accorded real religions."" (EMPHASIS MINE). Thoughts? Reactions? Harangues? ";-1;0 "From: panlilio@acs.ucalgary.ca (Victor P. Panlilio) Subject: Re: Whats this ""Thermal Recalibration"" on Quantum Drives ? Summary: Thermal recalibration on hard drives Article-I.D.: acs.93Apr06.172811.42754 Distribution: na Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 36 Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca In article <1993Mar26.195307.25146@midway.uchicago.edu> gary@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >Whether the drive is hooked up to the computer or not, the LPS240 >makes a ""disk seek noise"" every 20 seconds. This is consistent >and will continue as lomg as the drive is powered up. Even if >I disconnect the drive from the computer, this ""drive activity"" >continues at 20 second intervals. > >Someone tried to tell me the drive was doing a ""Thermal Recalibration"". > >Not knowing beans about the internal physical workings of the lastest >disk drive technology.... I guess I might believe anything. > >Whats the scoop on this standalone ""drive activity"" every 20 sec? I can only comment on thermal recalibration in general. Some new drives perform it in order to increase overall integrity of data writes. Basically, the firmware instructs the actuator to perform a test to see if the data tracks are within a certain physical tolerance, since when the media heats up or cools down, *some* track drift is inevitable, and the drive has to monitor it. This becomes especially critical at very high recording densities, and so was used primarily on very large-capacity mechanisms, but it seems to be finding its way into more smaller drives as a way of boosting the drive's long-term reliability and MTBF ratings. I first became aware of thermal recalibration when it was pointed out that the technique conflicts with prolonged write times when digitizing, say, audio or video to hard disk. Some manufacturers explicitly state that drives with thermal recalibration are NOT to be used for applications that have prolonged disk writes. Hope this helps. Victor ";-1;0 "From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: Trickle down (Was: 1937 was: Dan Quayle, genius Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 36 garrett@Ingres.COM writes: >rn11195@medtronic.COM (Robert Nehls) writes... >>Jason K. Schechner (jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU) wrote: >>: In article <1pf22mINNd7c@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu writes: >>: >What decade did you live in? Unemployment dropped during the 80's, >>: >inflation dropped during the 80's and interest rates dropped during >>: >the 80's. >>: This all may be true, but we're paying for it now, through the >>: nose. Our current recession (and some would argue the world's ^^^^^^^^^ >>First off, we're not in a recession. We've had a record number of months of >>straight economic growth. Even the democrats are admitting that the >>recession ofcicially ended in March of 1991. >This months's unemployment rate in California was 9.4% >Sure feels like a recession to me. Maybe we should ask the 83,103 people who were laid off this January whether or not we're in a recession. That was a figure that was reported in the New York Times. There is no official figure, because the Bureau of Labor Statistics stopped government tracking of layoffs eight months ago due to budget cuts. (The above information was published in Harper's Index, Harper's magazine.) ----- Eric Smith | The day Dan Quayle is our President is the day erics@netcom.com | Shelley Winters runs with the bulls in Pamplona. erics@infoserv.com | - Dennis Miller CI$: 70262,3610 | ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Nazi memoribilia From: cmay@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Christopher C May) Organization: University of Arizona - Tucson, Arizona Lines: 34 In <1993Apr2.232511.10711@raid.dell.com> mikepb@lupus.dell.com (Michael P. Brininstool) writes: >Swatikas were also common in American Indian markings/painted walls etc. Is >it the Swastika that is bad? Just want to back this up with a personal anecdote. My grandparents have a Navajo rug made in the 1920's, which they received in trade from the weaver while living in Flagstaff, Arizona. The decorative motif consists of 4 large black swastikas, one in each corner. What's more, the color scheme is black, white, and red. To the casual glance it would undoubtedly appear to be a Nazi relic of some kind. Yet they owned it ten years before Hitler and the National Socialists came to power. As I recall, they took it down in the 30's, and didn't feel quite right about putting it back up until the 60's. It still draws comments from those who don't know what it is. --ccm -- Christopher C. May * U. of Ariz. Coll. of Medicine '93 * cmay@ccit.arizona.edu +=============================================================================+ | Do your part for Liberty: Teach your children to hate Big Government. | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Do you care about freedom? Dreams may have inspired it, and wishes promoted | | it, but only war and weapons have made it yours. -- Robert Ardrey | | Armaque in armatos sumere jura sinunt. -- Ovid | | The wise man's understanding inclineth him toward his right hand, but a | | fool's heart turneth him to the left. -- Ecclesiastes 10:2 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- Christopher C. May * U. of Ariz. Coll. of Medicine '93 * cmay@ccit.arizona.edu +=============================================================================+ | Do your part for Liberty: Teach your children to hate Big Government. | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: davidk@welch.jhu.edu (David ""Go-Go"" Kitaguchi) Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution Nntp-Posting-Host: uss1.welch.jhu.edu Reply-To: davidk@welch.jhu.edu Organization: Welch Medical Library Lines: 56 :P>My atheism is incidental, and the question of ""God"" is trivial. :P :P>But........ :P :P>It matters a great deal to me when idiots try to force their belief on me, :P>when they try to enforce their creation myths to be taught as scientific :P>fact in school, when they tell me I can have no morals because morals are :P>from ""God"", when a successful presidential candidate says that an atheist :P>shouldn't be considered a citizen and couldn't be patriotic because ""after :P>all this is one nation under God"", when the fundies try to take over the :P>party that may well provide the next President of The United States of :P>America so that they can force their beliefs on the rest of the country, :P>et cetera.......... :P :P>That's why I subscribe to alt.atheism. :P :P>And in the middle of this, people who aren't mind readers pop up on :P>alt.atheism to tell me what I do or don't believe, or to concoct some :P>straw-man reason why I don't share their particular belief. :P :P>You think I should just accept this? :P :P>This isn't particularly a dig at fundamentalist christians. I have been :P>told on alt.atheism that I reject Allah because I am too proud to embrace :P>islam, and that I reject Krishna because my eyes are closed. But most of :P>the religious nuts who post on alt.atheism are some kind of militant :P>christian who can't accept that others don't share their beliefs. This :P>kind of stuff should be kept on talk.religion.misc, where it belongs. :P :P>ATHEISM ISN'T A BELIEF, IT'S THE ABSENCE OF BELIEF IN ANY GODS. :P> ------- :P :P>Do you have a problem with this? :P :P>> :P>>Bill :PFirst, I would like to say that atheism is in fact a belief. It is a beilief :Pbecause a belief in something you hold to with ador and faith. An atheist says there are no gods. This cannot be proven. therefore you are excepting this on :Pfaith alone. That is a belief. Secondly, you complain so much about how the :Pfundamental christians are trying to force their beliefs on you, but you don't :Pmention anything about how the atheists, such as; Madamme Murry O'hare(founder :Pof the Atheists Association in Austin Texas), and Robert Sherman(from the Chicago area) have been trying to force their beliefs on everyone by trying to get rid of God from our society by banning religious paintings from parks during Chistmas, forcing cities to change their town seals if there is any mention of God in it (like Sherman has done), or trying to get the slogan ""In God We Trust"" off of the American currency? You also talk about creation ""myths"" as if they are in fact myths and tha :P :P :P :Phave concrete evidece of this. You probably :Pdon't and that just enforces my point that your atheism is just as much belief as my christianity. If this is not so please do show me why it isn't. :PMark Covalt The only real problem I have with the argument of christianity is that they seem to ignore their origin that being Asiatic in origin. As soon as christians become the good non ego-centric Buddhists they are supposed to be, then I might listen. My opinion, I speak not for my place of employment... But I should... ""Christ was over-rated, and will the ATF follow Koresh (the current Christ) through his ascention to heaven?"" ";-1;0 "From: adler@netcom.com (Bruce Adler) Subject: Re: IBM-PC XT switch settings Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 26 In article <1qk158$kcp@bigbird.hri.com> obrien@bigbird.hri.com writes: >I just got an IBM-PC XT with no documents. Its a true >IBM, and I was wondering if anyone had the definitions >of the 2 8 position dip switches? SW8,SW7 number of 5.25"" drives 0,0 1 drive 0,1 2 drives 1,0 3 drives 1,1 4 drives SW6,SW5 type of display 0,0 reserved 0,1 40x25 color (mono mode) 1,0 80x25 color (mono mode) 1,1 mono 80x25 SW4,SW3 amount of memory on system board 64k chips 256k chips 0,0 64k 256k 0,1 128k 512k 1,0 192k 576k 1,1 256k 640k SW2 co-processor installed SW1 loop on POST ";-1;0 "From: zimm@condor.navsses.navy.mil Subject: Re: Diamond SS 24X Organization: CDNSWC, Naval Ship Systems Eng Sta, Phila PA Lines: 20 Greetings! I've had a bunch of problems with the 24x. Opening a DOS window on the desktop can occasionally result in the windows ""blowing up"" into a set of horizontal lines, hashing the entire desktop. Nothing can recover this except to completely exit from Windows. The other irritating problem is that windows that scroll often overwrite lines rather than actually scrolling, as if a CR was printed without an LF. This seems ONLY to happen to communications programs, but I can't nail it down any further than that. Note, though, that the comms programs don't have to be communicating. Even just scrolling back through capture buffers or displaying disk files in these programs causes the problem. Prior to the latest rev of Word Perfect for Windows, WPwin would sometimes blow up, and the error message would cite the video driver as the source of the problem. I've still seen this, but only once or twice with WPwin 5.2. Dave Zimmerman (My opinions are my own) ";6;1 "From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: Re: How do I quickly switch between Windows screen resolutions? Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA Distribution: na X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 27 In article slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes: > > Can someone out there tell me how to switch Window's screen resolution > quickly and easily? I know that I can go back into install to do it, > but what I'd really like is to have is the ability to just change a > couple of startup or configuration files and have the resolution > changed. I already have both video drivers that I need on my system, > so that isn't a problem. > > Thanks, > > Sean. > > --- > Sean L. Gilley > sean.l.gilley@att.com <-- USE THIS ADDRESS, ALL OTHERS BOUNCE! > 614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w) > There is a shareware program called v-switch.zip. I don't remember if it is on wuarchive.wustl.edu or on ftp.cica.indiana.edu. It is easy to use and does the job with no problem. -Eric ebosco@us.oracle.com ";6;1 "From: xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz) Subject: Re: NUTEK FACES APPLE'S WRATH (article!!!!!!) READ Article-I.D.: rpi.j3g5bwq Organization: MapInfo Corporation, Troy, NY Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: acm.rpi.edu In article davea@xetron.com (David P. Alverson) writes: >I believe Apple has a patent on the region features of QuickDraw. A mac >clone would have to implement regions. This is why Apple's comment was >that >they believe it is not possible to make a Mac clone without infringing >on their patents. They may have other patents like this. Apple has patented their implementation of regions, which presumably includes the internal data structure (which has never been officially documented by Apple). Apple cannot patent the concept of a region. I'm guessing that either NuTek reverse-engineered Apple's internal data structure for regions (I dunno if this would hold up in court), or they came up with their own data structure. If it's the latter, then they won't be able to draw PICT files containing regions. Besides PICT files, there aren't many places where regions are stored on disk. (QuickTime movies, perhaps?) As long as the region isn't being stored on disk and transferred from a Mac to a NuTek clone (or vice versa), it doesn't matter if NuTek uses a completely different internal data structure. I remember reading that Apple also has a patent on their ADB hardware, and that the NuTek clones would therefore be lacking an ADB port. What other patents does Apple have on the Mac? -- Joe Schwartz E-mail: xor@acm.rpi.edu or xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu MapInfo Corp. 200 Broadway These are my own opinions. Any similarity to the Troy, NY 12180 opinions of MapInfo Corporation is purely coincidental. ";0;1 "From: engp2254@nusunix1.nus.sg (SOH KAM YUNG) Subject: Re: Protection of serial (RS232) lines Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 39 Martin John Gregory (mgregory@flash.pax.tpa.com.au) wrote: : I've started to look at some devices doing serial data transmission : over fairly decent distances in fairly noisy environments, and have : seen a variety of schemes for protecting the RS232 transceivers (and : the rest of the circuit) from transients on the serial lines. I'm : left wondering what is the best way of doing this? How necessary is : it? : [stuff deleted] : What is the wisdom on this out there? : : Ta, : : Martin. : : From what I know, protection is necessary, esp. if you plan to route the cables into an unknown environment (out of your control). Things like accidental shorts between the signal lines and power cables, or even lightning strikes are very likely and I don't think you like to see the sight of your computer going up in smoke! [Even ethernet cards are protected. I've looked at the one in my PC and the connector is protected by a gas discharge tube!] {But if you plan to use the serial cables for internal routings (i.e. in controlled environments), it should be reasonably safe not to have them.} Suggestion: look in the RS data book. They have several RS232 transceivers that have overvoltage protection. Among them include the LT1080, LT1081 and MAX250 and MAX251. The Maxims are suppose to be electrically isolated ones but still need opto-isolators to work (don't ask me why. I've never used them before. Another alternative is an RS232 surge protector. Two are listed in the RS catalogue. If you need additional info (i.e. stock nos.), just e-mail me. Soh Kam Yung, engp2254@nusunix1.nus.sg ";-1;0 "From: cheong@solomon.technet.sg (SCSTECH admin) Subject: Please Refresh On Internet Access To CompuServe Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg Organization: TECHNET, Singapore Lines: 15 Hi, sometime ago there are some discussions on gaining CompuServe access thru the Internet. But I seem to misplace those articles. Can someone please refresh me where (which site) I can telnet to to gain access. Hopefully I can download files as well. Thanks, Arthur Lim Email : arthur@mailhost.scs.com.sg ";-1;0 "From: rousseaua@immunex.com Subject: Re: Lactose intolerance Organization: Immunex Corporation, Seattle, WA Lines: 8 In article , ng4@husc11.harvard.edu (Ho Leung Ng) writes: > > When I was a kid in primary school, I used to drink tons of milk without > any problems. However, nowadays, I can hardly drink any at all without > experiencing some discomfort. What could be responsible for the change? > > Ho Leung Ng > ng4@husc.harvard.edu ";-1;0 "From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) Subject: Reds Without Sleeves (was Re: New Uniforms) Article-I.D.: news.12805 Organization: Biochemistry Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu Am I the only person who thinks the Reds sleeveless uniforms are ugly? Yet another reason why they won't win the NL West! ;) ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu ""I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"" Grafitti, Paris, 1968 TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.) -------------------------------------------------------- ";14;1 "From: jimb@rcx1.csd.harris.com (Jim Burmeister) Subject: Re: Cache card for IIsi Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com In article , pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian) writes: > Hi, I bought a while ago a Cache Card w/ FPU from Techworks. It was 219$. > I think that was the cheapest I ever saw. As of last week, Mac's Place had the Applied Engineering QuickSilver card (32k cache, one PDS slot, socket for FPU) on sale for $99.00 (without FPU). Regular price is $199. No idea if this is still going on, but I can get the phone no. if anyone is interested (I found their ad in MacUser). -Jim Burmeister (no relation to Mac's Place except as a satisfied customer!) jimb@csd.harris.com ";0;1 "From: ucer@ee.rochester.edu (Kamil B. Ucer) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Organization: University of Rochester Department of Electrical Engineering In article <1993Apr16.142935.535@cs.yale.edu> karage@scus1.ctstateu.edu (Angelos Karageorgiou Greek and Macedon the only combination) writes: > > Ok. My Aykut., what about the busload of Greek turists that was >torched, and all the the people in the buis died. Happened oh, about 5 >years ago in Instanbul. > What about the Greeks in the islands of Imbros and tenedos, they >are not allowed to have churches any more, instead momama turkey has >turned the church into a warehouse, I got a picture too. > What about the pontian Greeks of Trapezounta and Sampsounta, >what you now call Trabzon and Sampson, they spoke a 2 thousand year alod >language, are there any left that still speek or were they Islamicised? > Before we start another flamefest , and before you start quoting >Argic all over again, or was it somebody else?, please think. I know it >is a hard thing to do for somebody not equipped , but try nevertheless. > If Turks in Greece were so badly mistreated how come they >elected two,m not one but two, representatives in the Greek government? >How come they have free(absolutely free) hospitalization and education? >Do the Turks in Turkey have so much?If they do then you have every right >to shout, untill then you can also move to Greece and enjoy those >privileges. But I forget , for you do study in a foreign university, >some poor shod is tiling the earth with his own sweat. > BTW is Aziz Nessin still writing poetry? I'd like to read some >of his new stuff. Also who was the guy that wrote ""On the mountains of >Tayros."" ? please respond kindly to the last two questions, I am >interested in finding more books from these two people. > > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Yeian kai Eytyxeian | The opinions expressed above are nobody else's but >Angelos Karageorgiou | mine,MINE,MIIINNE,MIIINNEEEE,aaaarrgghhhh..(*&#$$*((+_$% >Live long & Prosper | NO CARRIER >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> Any and all mail sent to me , can and will be used in any manner < >> whatsoever. I may repost or publicise parts of messages or whole < >> messages. If you disagree, please exercise your freedom of speech < >> and don't send me anything. < Dear Mr. Karageorgiou, I would like to clarify several misunderstandings in your posting. First the bus incident which I believe was in Canakkale three years ago, was done by a mentally ill person who killed himself afterwards. The Pontus Greeks were ex- changedwith Turks in Greece in 1923. I have to logout now since my Greek friend Yiorgos here wants to use the computer. Well, I'll be back.Asta la vista baby. ";15;1 "From: boyle@bbsls23.bnr (Ian Boyle) Subject: Re: What is "" Volvo "" ? Organization: BNR Europe Ltd. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Reply-To: boyle@bbsls23.bnr NNTP-Posting-Host: bbsls23.bnr.co.uk > And all of these cars are driven fairly hard. None of them are at the head of > a line of cars going 30 MPH....the first two spend a lot of their operating > life with the speedometer pegged...and the only reason the 84 doesn't is it has > a 120 MPH speedo... > What I want to know is....have all you people who hate Volvos been traumatized > by someone in a 745 Turbo wagon blowing you away on the road, or what? 740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I believe the Beetle corners better. I can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever. I've been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who 'only thought they'd be a few minutes'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car. Not sure how long the small shit-box Volvos last - too damn long. The worst car I ever drove was a hired 340. In power, handling and ride it was reminiscent of something from the 50s, without the character. The 340 only ceased production a couple of years back. I've only been a passenger in the big Volvos, but that was enough. I ought to go for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts. ";-1;0 "From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 23 In article 9088@blue.cis.pitt.edu, jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes: >Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from >an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than >Jaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a >decent year (although it didn't live up to the expectations of some). Bowman tended to overplay Francis at times because he is a Bowman-style player. He plays hard at all times, doesn't disregard his defensive responsibilities and is a good leader. Bowman rewarded him be increasing his ice time. Jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a ""me first"" attitude. This rubbed Bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time. Throughout the year, Francis consistently recieved more ice time than Jagr. Althouhg I have never seen stats on this subject, I am pretty sure that Jagr had more points per minute played that Francis. When you add to that Jagr's better +/- rating, I think it becomes evident that Jagr had a better season- not that Francis had a bad one. Gregmeister ";-1;0 "From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) Subject: Delayed Expose Events Organization: Oracle Europe Lines: 44 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I posted about this a while ago but without code excerpts noone was able to help me. The problem is that main_win.win is doing fine, but when I create detail_win.win, it does not receive it's initial expose events until main_win.win receives an event. Here are the relevent calls: main_win.win = XCreateSimpleWindow (mydisplay, DefaultRootWindow(mydisplay), myhint.x, myhint.y, myhint.width, myhint.height, main_win.line_thick, fg, bg); XSetStandardProperties(mydisplay, main_win.win, main_win.text, main_win.text, None, argv, argc, &myhint); main_win.gc = XCreateGC (mydisplay, main_win.win, 0, 0); XMapRaised (mydisplay, detail_win.win); XMapSubwindows (mydisplay, main_win.win); The event mask for main_win is: PPosition | PSize | StructureNotifyMask | ExposureMask| KeyPressMask | EnterWindowMask | LeaveWindowMask; The flags are PPosition | PSize I then create detail_win.win with the following calls (hints has new values): detail_win.win = XCreateSimpleWindow (mydisplay, DefaultRootWindow(mydisplay), myhint.x, myhint.y, myhint.width, myhint.height, detail_win.line_thick, fg, bg); XSetStandardProperties(mydisplay, main_win.win, detail_win.text, detail_win.text, None, argv, argc, &myhint); detail_win.gc = XCreateGC (mydisplay, detail_win.win, 0, 0); XMapRaised (mydisplay, detail_win.win); Event Mask and flags are identical to main_win's flags and event mask. If anybody has any idea why the initial expose events of detail_win.win are not received until main_win.win receives an event I'd love to hear from them. Other that that everything works great so there must be some detail I'm overseeing. Thanks for any tips ---> Robert rgasch@nl.oracle.com PS: The same message was accidentally appended to the ""Expose Events"" thread. Sorry for any confusion caused. ";-1;0 "From: Michelle Zumbo Subject: DARKROOM SUPPLIES/ENLARGER Organization: Athletics and Physical Education, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu FOR SALE: * Besler 23C II Enlarger (including filters & negative carriers) * Darkroom supplies (containers, trays, thermometer, beakers, paper focuser, etc...I also have paper & chemicals, but I think these 2 are past expiration date) Everything is in great working condition. I bought it about a year ago and it has served its purpose well. It hasn't been used it in a few months because I don't have the time or money to keep up with it and its just sitting in my bathroom taking up space I'd like to use. So, I'd like to sell it to someone who would use it rather than it collect dust in my bathroom. If you are interested in the whole package, I will sell everything (including shipping) for $300. If you have something else in mind, I'm open to suggestions. Please reply to this account. Thank you... Michelle ";-1;0 "From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010 Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 170 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +-------------------------------------------------------+ | | | On the way the driver says, ""In fact there aren't any | | Armenians left. 'They burned them all, beat them all, | | and stabbed them."" | | | +-------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF VANYA BAGRATOVICH BAZIAN Born 1940 Foreman Baku Spetsmontazh Administration (UMSMR-1) Resident at Building 36/7, Apartment 9 Block 14 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] During the first days of the events, the 27th and the 28th [of February], I was away on a business trip. On the 10th I had got my crew, done the paper- work, and left for the Zhdanov District. That's in Azerbaijan, near the Nagorno Karabagh region. After the 14th, rumors started to the effect that in Karabagh, specifically in Stepanakert, an uprising had taken place. They said ""uprising"" in Azerbaijani, but I don't think it was really an uprising, just a demonstration. After that the unrest started. Several Armenians living in the Zhdanov District were injured. How were they injured? They were beaten, even women; it was said that they were at the demonstrations, but they live here, and went from here to Karabagh to demonstrate. After that I felt uneasy. There were some conversations about Armenians among the local population: the Armenians had done this, the Armenians had done that. Right there at the site. I was attacked a couple of times by kids. Well true, the guys from my crew wouldn't let them come at me with cables and knives. After that I felt really bad. I didn't know where to go. I up and called home. And my children tell me, ""There's unrest everywhere, be careful."" Well I had a project going on. I told the Second Secretary of the District Party Committee what had been going on and said I wanted to take my crew off the site. They wouldn't allow it, they said, ""Nothing's going to happen to you, we've entrusted the matter to the police, we've warned everyone in the district, nothing will happen to you."" Well, in fact they did especially detail us a policeman to look after me, he knows all the local people and would protect me if something happened. This man didn't leave me alone for five minutes: he was at work the whole time and afterward he spent the night with us, too. I sense some disquiet and call home; my wife also tells me, ""The situation is very tense, be careful."" We finished the job at the site, and I left for Sumgait first thing on the morning of the 29th. When we left the guys warned me, they told me that I shouldn't tell anyone on the way that I was an Armenian. I took someone else's business travel documents, in the name of Zardali, and hid my own. I hid it and my passport in my socks. We set out for Baku. Our guys were on the bus, they sat behind, and I sat up front. In Baku they had come to me and said that they had to collect all of our travel documents just in case. As it turns out they knew what was happening in Sumgait. I arrive at the bus station and there they tell me that the city of Sumgait is closed, there is no way to get there. That the city is closed off and the buses aren't running. Buses normally leave Baku for Sumgait almost every two minutes. And suddenly--no buses. Well, we tried to get there via private drivers. One man, an Azerbaijani, said, ""Let's go find some other way to get there."" They found a light transport vehicle and arranged for the driver to take us to Sumgait. He took us there. But the others had said, ""I wouldn't go if you gave me a thousand rubles."" ""Why?"" ""Because they're burning the city and killing the Armenians. There isn't an Armenian left."" Well I got hold of myself so I could still stand up. So we squared it away, the four of us got in the car, and we set off for Sumgait. On the way the driver says, ""In fact there aren't any Armenians left. 'They burned them all, beat them all, and stabbed them."" Well I was silent. The whole way--20-odd miles--I was silent. The driver asks me, ""How old are you, old man?"" He wants to know: if I'm being that quiet, not saying anything, maybe it means I'm an Armenian. ""How old are you?"" he asks me. I say, ""I'm 47."" ""I'm 47 too, but I call you 'old man'."" I say, ""It depends on God, each person's life in this world is different."" I look much older than my years, that's why he called me old man. Well after that he was silent, too. We're approaching the city, I look and see tanks all around, and a cordon. Before we get to the Kavkaz store the driver starts to wave his hand. Well, he was waving his hand, we all start waving our hands. I'm sitting there with them, I start waving my hand, too. I realized that this was a sign that meant there were no Armenians with us. I look at the city--there is a crowd of people walking down the middle of the street, you know, and there's no traffic. Well probably I was scared. They stopped our car. People were standing on the sidewalks. They have armature shafts, and stones . . . And they stopped us . . . Along the way the driver tells us how they know who's an Armenian and who's not. The Armenians usually . . . For example, I'm an Armenian, but I speak their language very well. Well Armenians usually pronounce the Azeri word for ""nut,"" or ""little nut,"" as ""pundukh,"" but ""fundukh"" is actually correct. The pronunciations are different. Anyone who says ""pundukh,"" even if they're not Armenian, they immediately take out and start to slash. Another one says, ""There was a car there, with five people inside it,"" he says. ""They started hitting the side of it with an axe and lit it on fire. And they didn't let the people out,"" he says, ""they wouldn't let them get out of the car."" I only saw the car, but the driver says that he saw everything. Well he often drives from Baku to Sumgait and back . . . When they stop us we all get out of the car. I look and there's a short guy, his eyes are gleaming, he has an armature shaft in one hand and a stone in the other and asks the guys what nationality they are one by one. ""We're Azerbaijani,' they tell him, 'no Armenians here."" He did come up to me when we were pulling our things out and says, ""Maybe you're an Armenian, old man?"" But in Azerbaijani I say, ""You should be ashamed of yourself!"" And . . . he left. Turned and left. That was all that happened. What was I to do? I had to . . . the city was on fire, but I had to steal my children out of my own home. They stopped us at the entrance to Mir Street, that's where the Kavkaz store and three large, 12-story buildings are. That's the beginning of down-town. I saw that burned automobile there, completely burned, only metal remained. I couldn't figure out if it was a Zhiguli or a Zaporozhets. Later I was told it was a Zhiguli. And the people in there were completely incinerated. Nothing remained of them, not even any traces. That driver had told me about it, and I saw the car myself. The car was there. The skeleton, a metallic carcass. About 30 to 40 yards from the Kavkaz store. I see a military transport, an armored personnel carrier. The hatches are closed. And people are throwing armature shafts and pieces of iron at it, the crowd is. And I hear shots, not automatic fire, it's true, but pistol shots. Several shots. There were Azerbaijanis crowded around that personnel carrier. Someone in the crowd was shooting. Apparently they either wanted to kill the soldiers or get a machine gun or something. At that point there was only one armored personnel carrier. And all the tanks were outside the city, cordoning off Sumgait. I walked on. I see two Azerbaijanis going home from the plant. I can tell by their gait that they're not bandits, they're just people, walking home. I joined them so in case something happened, in case someone came up to us and asked questions, either of us would be in a position to answer, you see. But I avoided the large groups because I'm a local and might be quickly recognized. I tried to keep at a distance, and walked where there were fewer people. Well so I walked into Microdistrict 2, which is across from our block. I can't get into our block, but I walked where there were fewer people, so as to get around. Well there I see a tall guy and 25 to 30 people are walking behind him. And he's shouting into a megaphone: ""Comrades, the Armenian- Azerbaijani war has begun!"" The police have megaphones like that. So they're talking and walking around the second microdistrict. I see that they're coming my way, and turn off behind a building. I noticed that they walked around the outside buildings, and inside the microdistricts there were about 5 or 6 people standing on every corner, and at the middles of the buildings, and at the edges. What they were doing I can't say, because I couldn't get up close to them, I was afraid. But the most important thing was to get away from there, to get home, and at least find out if my children were alive or not . . . April 20, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 158-160 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 ";-1;0 "From: karl@genesis.MCS.COM (Karl Denninger) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: MCSNet, Chicago, IL Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com In article <9304201003.AA05465@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: > gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: > > > >In the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device > >to the phone network. (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets > >must be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...) > > > > Whats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem? > > I'm not being entirely silly here: what I'm pointing out is that the > modems that they have already approved for data transmission will work > just fine to transmit scrambled vocoded voice. > >Absolutely. I just meant that no secure *dedicated* crypto device has >ever been given approval. Guerrilla underground devices should be well >possible with today's high-speed modems (not that I can think of many v32bis >modems that are approved either mind you - just the overpriced Couriers) > >Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run >digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets >say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate >be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? Reasonably fancy. Standard ""voice"" circuits run at 56kbps inter-exchange in the US. Therefore, you need to achieve 4:1 to get standard voice quality. If you're willing to give up some quality, you need only 2:1. This is still acceptable from a speech standpoint; it will be a little less faithful to the original, but certainly intelligable. That's all you really need for this application. -- Karl Denninger (karl@genesis.MCS.COM) | You can never please everyone except Data Line: [+1 312 248-0900] | by bankrupting yourself. LIVE Internet in Chicago; an MCSNET first! ";16;1 "From: chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: lynx.ps.uci.edu In-reply-to: ejv2j@Virginia.EDU's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 02:42:46 GMT Organization: Dept. of Physics, Univ. of California, Irvine Lines: 15 Unfortunately, I've got another story to add to this. My girlfriend and I were driving through west L.A., and got pelted by a rock just as we were pulling away from a stoplight. The scary thing was that the rock was heavy enough to put a decent-sized dent in the door of my '72 Riviera which is pretty much solid ""Detriot Iron."" Couple of inches higher and it would have gone through the window. Chris -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Barrus --- chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu --- kallista@aol.com 1972 Buick Riviera boattail, peace through superior automotive power! Sacred cows make the best hamburger - Abbie Hoffman --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";10;1 "From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: Re: A StyleWriter II question Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 10 In article egaillou@etu.gel.ulaval.ca (Eric Gailloux) writes: >I just read an article on the SWII. One thing puzzles me: the article says the >SWII is a serial-only device. Does that mean I'll have to unplug my modem each >time I want to print something??? No. Plug the printer in the printer port, and the modem in the modem port. ;) JT ";-1;0 "From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 24 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <1r46ofINNdku@gap.caltech.edu> palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer) writes: >>>orbiting billboard... >> >>I would just like to point out that it is much easier to place an >>object at orbital altitude than it is to place it with orbital >>velocity. For a target 300 km above the surface of Earth, >>you need a delta-v of 2.5 km/s. >Unfortunately, if you launch this from the US (or are a US citizen), >you will need a launch permit from the Office of Commercial Space >Transportation, and I think it may be difficult to get a permit for >an antisatellite weapon... :-) Well Henry, we are often reminded how CANADA is not a part of the United States (yet). You could have quite a commercial A-SAT, er sky-cleaning service going in a few years. ""Toronto SkySweepers: Clear skies in 48 hours, or your money back."" Discount rates available for astro-researchers. Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- ";-1;0 "Subject: A word of advice From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Summary: was Re: Yeah, Right Lines: 14 In article <65882@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: > >I've said enough times that there is no ""alternative"" that should think you >might have caught on by now. And there is no ""alternative"", but the point >is, ""rationality"" isn't an alternative either. The problems of metaphysical >and religious knowledge are unsolvable-- or I should say, humans cannot >solve them. How does that saying go: Those who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those who are doing it. Jim -- Have you washed your brain today? ";-1;0 "From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Cop kills teenager Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser Lines: 26 OK, here's something for all of those people who think cops are always more responsible then the rest of the population. I found this article in the Rocky Mountain Collegian, Colorado State University's newspaper. SUSPENDED POLICE OFFICER ARRESTED IN REVENGE TRIPLE HOMICIDE PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) -- A police officer afraid he would be fired for allegedly assaulting a teen-ager walked into an auto body shop wher the youth worked, said ""You're going to die"" and fatally shot him and two others, police said. A fourth youth was wounded. A fifth escaped injury by hiding under a car. The wounded youth ran about two blocks to a house after the shooting at about midnight Tuesday and called police. He was hospitalized in satisfactory condition Wednesday. Suspended police officer Robert Sabetta, 23, of Cranston, was arrested at gunpoint over three hours after the shooting at Wilson's Auto Enterprises in Foster, a rural town of about 4,000 people in northwest Rhode Island. Well, this just goes to show that cops are capable of snapping, just like everyone else. Now who was it who said only cops should have guns? Doug Holland ";-1;0 "From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Subject: Plus minus stat Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 144 >Post: 51213 of 51227 >Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey >From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) >Subject: Re: Plus minus stat... >Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, >Sudbury, ON Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 21:41:29 GMT >In <4LD32B2w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca> >j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) writes: >>It was Bryan Trottier, not Denis Potvin. It was a vicious >>'boarding' from behind...Trottier was given a major. >Perhaps it was Trottier. It happened behind the Habs goal if >I recall. Gainey simply didn't have his head up as he was >picking up the puck. >But Roger, what the hell does this have to do with Gainey's >skill as a hockey player? If Probert smashes Gilmour's head >into the boards next week, will that diminish your assessment >of Gilmour's skills? >If Gilmour was taken completely by surprise, as Gainey was, then >yeah, I would have to say that Doug wasn't playing >""technically"" smart hockey. In any case, to claim as Greg did, >that Gainey *never* made a technical mistake is absolutely >ludicrous. Later on, in your posting, you make reference to ""putting words into other people's mouths""...I would suggest that your last paragraph can only be interpreted in one way...namely, that I, along with Greg, claim that Gainey never made a technical mistake. If you actually read what I've written, you will find that I make no such claim...soooo, if logic serves me well, you're contradicting yourself. >>>Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things >>>to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the >>>pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob >>>Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne >>>Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri >>>Richard, Dick Duff...and so on... >>I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter. >Good for you. You'd only be displaying your ignorance of >course, but to each his own... Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think ""ignorance"" is really a function of ""a lack of knowledge"" and not ""formulating an opinion""...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by all means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better. >>I think Gainey would be honoured to know that you've included >>him >I think Gainey should feel honoured to know that he is >remembered at all. My word, such vehemence against poor ol' Bob Gainey. Why does he bother you so much...he was an effective player for his style of play. >>on this list. I also think you have a relatively naive view >>about what wins a hockey game...pluggers are an integral part >>of >Certainly pluggers are an integral part of any team. And that >is simply because there are not enough solid two-way players to >go around. Who would you rather have as your ""checking"" >centre? Doug Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would >take either Gretzky or Mario as my ""checking"" centres. Do you >think Gretzky could cover Bob Gainey? I'm really sorry Roger, but you have lost me completely here. Why don't you ask me if I would rather have Jesus Christ, himself, in nets? Now, if you were to compare, say for example, Bob Gainey with Guy Carbonneau, you would have a balanced comparison. >>any team. The Selke is designed to acknowledge their >>contribution...I think that most people understand that it's >>not the Nobel Prize...so settle down. >You're wrong again. The Selke is awarded to the forward that >does the best job defensively and this may or may not be the >best plugger. If Gilmour does the best defensive job in the >league I don't see why he should be out of the running simply >because he also contributes offen-sively. I'm wrong AGAIN...hmmm, let's see...where was I wrong in the first place? I'm only guessing here, Rog, but I have a feeling that you've setup a ""You're wrong again"" macro key on your machine. I agree that my use of the word plugger is simplistic...but I think you know what I'm getting at. I would also like to point out that Gilmour's potential as a Selke-winner was never part of the debate...are you asking me for an opinion? If so, I think there are far too many other deserving players to include Gilmour among the candidates. >>Settle down? If you think that I have likened the Selke to the >>Nobel prize then I suggest that you had best ""settle down"". >>And if you are going to try to put words in my mouth, let me >>suggest that you ""settle down"" before you bother following up >>on my postings. I would suggest that your comment: ""And when the press runs out of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, Dick Duff...and so on..."" demonstrates a blanket disregard for these individuals as contributors to the game...so yes, settle down...nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods. >>congenially, as always, >> >>jd >> >>-- >>James David >>david@student.business.uwo.ca >You might consider developing your own style. After all, >imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and I am quite sure >that flattery is not your intention. C'mon...it has a nice ring to it...and admit it, you had a good laugh. congenially, as always, jd -- James David david@student.business.uwo.ca j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Western Business School -- London, Ontario ";13;1 "Organization: University of Maine System From: Ryan Robbins Subject: Re: Why The RedFlops Can(but won't) win..... Lines: 10 Don't knock Vaughn for being a spring training .400 hitter but a .250 regular season hitter. Around 30 games played isn't an indication of how good any hitter is, and the quality of pitching is way down. Ryan Robbins Penobscot Hall University of Maine IO20456@Maine.Maine.Edu ";-1;0 "From: wls@calvin.usc.edu (Bill Scheding) Subject: Re: ""Full page"" PB screen Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.usc.edu In article , ""Michael T. Callihan"" writes: |> Hi. I am working on a project for my marketing class and I'd like to |> ask your help. The assignment is to come up with a product and create a |> marketing plan for it. Technical issues are not terribly important at |> this point... I'm not surprised to learn that `Technical issues are not terribly important' to anyone working on a 'Marketing Plan' :) wls ";0;1 "From: hgomez@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Humberto L Gomez) Subject: MULTISYNC 3D NEC MONITOR FOR SALE Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.012451.3540 Distribution: usa Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu I have an NEC multisync 3d monitor for sale. great condition. looks new. it is .28 dot pitch SVGA monitor that syncs from 15-38khz it is compatible with all aga amiga graphics modes. leave message if interested. make an offer. -- ";-1;0 "From: dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney) Subject: Re: Swastika (was: Hitler - pagan or Christian?) Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net The observation that the Tree of Life would rotate clockwise in the northern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the southern probably doesn't give enough consideration to the feebleness of the Coriolis force compared to, say, the phototropism of vegetation. A much more likely explanation is the classic one: that the clockwise swastika is the Sun-wheel, because the sun progresses across the sky that way. (Although that's not the historical way it happened; clocks were first made as little imitation images of the sun moving thru the heavens. So it's more valid to talk of the clock going sunwise, but do the engineers listen to me? Of course not.) Anyway, there is still much uncertainty about whether the anti-swastika goes counter-sunwise because that represents Evil, or because it is the Sun's twin-opposite, the Moonwheel. The use of anti-Sun to represent Evil may be because humans are so strongly visually-oriented, but I'm not going to try to settle THAT one just now. -- Diccon Frankborn (dickeney@access.digex.com) ";-1;0 "From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Re: Top Ten Tricks You Can Play on the American Voter) Article-I.D.: optilink.15229 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr3.185448.13811@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: > In article kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) writes: # #Slavery makes economic sense (it NEVER makes MORAL sense) when human # #muscle power is an economically valuable asset. Agricultural slavery might # #have lasted right up to the first mechanical cotton reaper, but no # #further; reapers are cheaper than slaves, and don't have to be fed during # #the winter. # # This argument makes a several fundamental errors. First ""agricultural"" # slavery was not limited to production of cotton. In the American south # slave labor was used extensively to grow tobacco, sugar, and rice, all # of which remained labor intensive enterprises well into the 20th century. And of course, in states like Kentucky and Virginia, not well-suited to large-scale plantations, slave labor was used to make one of the most valuable agricultural products of all: more slaves. In some ways, this treatment of humans beings as breeding livestock is the most horrifying aspect of American slavery. # Second, although mechanization of cotton production could be expected to # reduce the demands for labor eventually, it was only in the 1940's # the mechanization of cotton production in the South largely eliminated # the labor intensive character of the operation, long after the ""first # mechanical cotton reaper"" was invented. This is an interesting question. Steinbeck's _Grapes of Wrath_ (published in the 1930s), uses agricultural mechanization of cotton production in Arkansas as the cause of the Joad family being evicted from the land. How many years were involved in the mechanization of cotton farming? When did this first appear? # #Ken Mitchell | The powers not delegated to the United States by the # Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. ";18;1 "From: ETRAT@ttacs1.ttu.edu (Pack Rat) Subject: Shuttle Launch Question X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 16 There has been something bothering me while watching NASA Select for a while. Well, I should'nt say bothering, maybe wondering would be better. When they are going to launch they say (sorry but I forget exactly who is saying what, OTC to PLT I think) ""Clear caution & warning memory. Verify no unexpected errors. ..."". I am wondering what an ""expected error"" might be. Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but inquiring minds just gotta know............ Yeah, yeah, I know, its those dumb cosmospheres again! ============================================================= Randy Padgett, Supervisor BITNET : ETRAT@TTACS Academic Computing Facilities Internet : ETRAT@TTACS.TTU.EDU Texas Tech University THEnet : TTACS::ETRAT Lubbock, TX 79409-42042 (806) 742-3653 FAX (806) 742-1755 ";2;1 "From: Patrick C Leger Subject: Re: thoughts on christians Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Excerpts from netnews.alt.atheism: 15-Apr-93 Re: thoughts on christians by Dave Fuller@portal.hq.vi > I'm sick of religious types being pampered, looked out for, and WORST > OF ALL . . . . respected more than atheists. There must be an end > in sight. > I think it'd help if we got a couple good atheists (or even some good, steadfast agnostics) in some high political offices. When was the last time we had an (openly) atheist president? Have we ever? (I don't actually know; these aren't rhetorical questions.) How 'bout some Supreme court justices? One thing that really ticked me off a while ago was an ad for a news program on a local station...The promo said something like ""Who are these cults, and why do they prey on the young?"" Ahem. EVER HEAR OF BAPTISM AT BIRTH? If that isn't preying on the young, I don't know what is... I used to be (ack, barf) a Catholic, and was even confirmed...Shortly thereafter I decided it was a load of BS. My mom, who really insisted that I continue to go to church, felt it was her duty (!) to bring me up as a believer! That was one of the more presumptuous things I've heard in my life. I suggested we go talk to the priest, and she agreed. The priest was amazingly cool about it...He basically said that if I didn't believe it, there was no good in forcing it on me. Actually, I guess he wasn't amazingly cool about it--His response is what you'd hope for (indeed, expect) from a human being. I s'pose I just _didn't_ expect it... I find it absurd that religion exists; Yet, I can also see its usefulness to people. Facing up to the fact that you're just going to be worm food in a few decades, and that there isn't some cosmic purpose to humanity and the universe, can be pretty difficult for some people. Having a readily-available, pre-digested solution to this is pretty attractive, if you're either a) gullible enough, b) willing to suspend your reasoning abilities for the piece of mind, or c) have had the stuff rammed down your throat for as long as you can remember. Religion in general provides a nice patch for some human weaknesses; Organized religion provides a nice way to keep a population under control. Blech. Chris ---------------------- Chris Leger Sophomore, Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineering Remember...if you don't like what somebody is saying, you can always ignore them! ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Though his book was dealing with the Genocide of Muslims by Armenians.. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 45 In article arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: >Then repeat everything I said before with the word ""race-related"" >substituted for ""racist"". All that changes is the phrasing; complaining >that I used the wrong word is a quibble. Well, your Armenian grandparents were fascist. As early as 1934, K. S. Papazian asserted in 'Patriotism Perverted' that the Armenians 'lean toward Fascism and Hitlerism.'[1] At that time, he could not have foreseen that the Armenians would actively assume a pro-German stance and even collaborate in World War II. His book was dealing with the Armenian genocide of Turkish population of eastern Anatolia. However, extreme rightwing ideological tendencies could be observed within the Dashnagtzoutune long before the outbreak of the Second World War. In 1936, for example, O. Zarmooni of the 'Tzeghagrons' was quoted in the 'Hairenik Weekly:' ""The race is force: it is treasure. If we follow history we shall see that races, due to their innate force, have created the nations and these have been secure only insofar as they have reverted to the race after becoming a nation. Today Germany and Italy are strong because as nations they live and breath in terms of race. On the other hand, Russia is comparatively weak because she is bereft of social sanctities.""[2] [1] K. S. Papazian, 'Patriotism Perverted,' (Boston, Baikar Press 1934), Preface. [2] 'Hairenik Weekly,' Friday, April 10, 1936, 'The Race is our Refuge' by O. Zarmooni. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS) Subject: Attention anyone in Syracuse NY or Richmond VA Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada Lines: 13 There are two conflicting reports about a pitcher that is either in the Jays' farm system or the Braves'. His name is Bill Taylor. He was picked up by the Jays, but had to be offered back to the Braves before they were able to send him to the Syracuse Chiefs. One report says that the Braves took him back and assigned him to Richmond. The other says that he is on the Chiefs' roster. Which one is right? ";14;1 "Subject: FORTRAN library for MS-Windows From: traversmorgan@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Guan Lye Chua) Organization: Actrix Information Exchange Lines: 13 Hi! I will like to know if there is a FORTRAN library for MS-Windows v3+ out there. I have several lots of source code written by past A/Ps in MS-FORTRAN, and recently have needed to port them to MS-Windows... I would like to avoid a major code-rewrite if possible - maybe a WINDOWS library is all I need? Please help - reply by E-mail to: traversmorgan@swell.actrix.gen.nz -- Guan Lye Chua c/- Travers Morgan (NZ) Ltd, P O Box 11-525, Wellington, NZ. Tel.: +64 4 471 0303 Fax.: +64 4 471 0353 ";-1;0 "From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent ""Woody"" Moss) Subject: Re: Do trains have radar? Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.200.5 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Lines: 34 In article , jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes: |> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: |> |> |> > While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45 |> > somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a |> > train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over |> > the northbound lanes. There appeared to be movement within the cab |> > and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look. Just as I |> > passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full |> > alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong. |> > I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized. |> |> Some, but not all, locomotives have doppler speedometers. The radar head is |> mounted looking down at the ground (to minimize intereference sent and |> received) but looking tangentally at a wheel. These are low power units |> and typically won't trigger radar detectors unless an unusual situation |> such as yours arises. |> |> John |> |> -- |> John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? |> Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? |> Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to |> jgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag |> Need Usenet public Access in Atlanta? Write Me for info on Dixie.com. This makes sense(radar pointed down), because almost every train I pass head-on that triggers my radar detector does so more just after I have passed the front of the engine. I get a little of the reflections as I am approaching and the instant I get to the side of the first engine the detector receives a fairly strong signal for a short time. It happens with just about EVERY train I see. ";-1;0 "From: jeffj@yang.earlham.edu (ChaOs) Subject: Re: ALT.SEX.STORIES under Literary Critical Analysis :-) Organization: Honest Bob's Used Toaster Emporium Lines: 196 In article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes: > Hi all, > > I'm going to try to do something here, that perhaps many would > not have thought even possible. I want to begin the process of > initiating a literary critical study of the pornography posted on > alt.sex.stories, to identify the major themes and motifs present > in the stories posted there -- opening up then the possibility of > an objective moral evaluation of the material present there. First off, let me congratulate you for not posting a flame about ""You sick perverts, you are immoral, you are all going to hell."", which seems to be the usual ""religious"" post found on the alt.sex.* hierarchy. Hopefully, you won't get flamed, either. You will, however, be argued with. I personally think that your project is built on unsteady ground. First, I do not believe that there is any way to find an ""objective morality"". Morality and value are inherently subjective - they represent the beliefs of a person or a group of people. They can be widely held, perhaps even overwhelmingly held, but they are never and _can_ never be objective. > Assumptions: > > (1) A Christian bedrock assumption that all that is True, comes > Truly from God. > > (2) Regarding alt.sex.stories. While perhaps even from an > objective standpoint, the majority of its material is indeed > repugnant (you come to this conclusion quite quickly when you > start thinking about analyzing its material like this), some of > it reflects some fairly profound needs in people as well as some > truths -- and deserve to be pointed out. Second, I do not accept the assumptions that you make here. If, as you say, you are trying to be objective, then why accept a morality to begin with by using the Christian Bible? You're defeating your own purpose by doing so. > In the long run, the advantage of making such a literary/moral > analysis is that it will save band-width between Christians and > non mutually flaming each other about the moral acceptability of > the stuff on these (pornographic) groups. Third, call me a pessimist, but you won't stop the flamage. There will always be people who pop upin alt.sex.* to tell us how sick and twisted and evil we all are. Just out of curiosity, do alt.sex readers show up unprovoked in the religion groups to tell you all that you are narrow-minded, censoring, overbearing totalitarianists? > Basically, there should not be a dissonance between a ""Christian"" > morality and a ""non-Christian"" one. Either there is value in a > particular work, or there is not whether one is a Christian or > not. Hm. Let me provide an example. Four people get together over dinner, to discuss morality: you, me, a rather conservative Moslem, and a sociopath. I start off by saying that I think it's immoral to force people to have sex with you. You agree, but also say that it is immoral to have sex with someone of your own gender. (Just a note: I really don't know your views on homosexuality, I am just using this as a common view of morality for the purposes of this example.) The Moslem says that it is immoral for women to have their faces uncovered. The sociopath, who has become bored, kills all three of us and eats us, but feels no guilt because he has done nothing wrong morally in his own mind. > In support for the first assumption: > > The Christian scriptures say this: (Evidence deleted) I'm not going to accept your evidence for this. You ask us to accept ""The Word of God"" that everything good comes from God. This is only a valid argument for a person who shares your beliefs. Still, I must say that cataloging the major themes and motifs in erotica could be interesting for other reasons than yours, so good luck with this next part. > > ************************************** > > NOW THEN what are some of the major themes/motifs in the > pornographic literature on places like alt.sex.stories? These > are some that I've been able to identify. Please add/comment on > them. > > > Motif #1 -- THE MALE-CINDERELLA. > > In so many of the stories there is expressed a feeling of > alienation and worthlessness on the part of the writer or > otherwise protagonist of the story with regard to the object (the > other person) of his/her desire. Often a story involves a > protagonist who (on the surface) is quite average (but underneath > usually has an enormous dick), who desires to in some way to gain > access (in a definitely sexual way) to the other person who > he/she confesses is far more desireable than he/she is and who > indeed seems ""to walk between the rain-drops."" Hmmm...do I detect just a wee bit of condescence here? > > Motif #2 -- A CELEBRATION OF (INDEED PREOCCUPATION WITH) BEAUTY. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ not very objective. > The vast majority of pornographic literature deals with beauty, > be it innocence (somehow about to be lost), grace, or simply > physical beauty. And generally, most people Christian or non > will say that beauty is good. One could construe this to mean that beautiful people are better, or ""more good"" than non-beautiful people. I would hope that people relize that this is not necessarily true. > > Motif #3 -- ONE'S DICK IS ONE'S INSTRUMENT OF REDEMPTION. ^^^^ Might I suggest the word ""penis""? It seems more in line with the tone of your post. > Blessed are those who are well-hung, for they shall get > laid. -- from what would thus be a revised Matthew 5 :-). > Bravo! I respect you and your sense of humor, sir. > > Motif #4 -- SEX AS AN EXPRESSION OF SINCERE GIVING. > > There is, often enough, a clear desire on the part of the > protagonist, to give (definitely sexual) pleasure to the object > (person) of his/her desires. Yes, and this theme is usually what the better stories are about. However, they are not always selfish - I could point to examples in the work of Elf Sternberg, for example. > > Motif #5 -- ALT.SEX.STORIES DESCRIBES A SEX WHICH IS COMPLETELY > REMOVED FROM THE REALM OF ""TRANSMITTING LIFE"" > > So removed is sex from its procreative dimension on > alt.sex.stories, that one begins to wonder why sex even involves > ejaculation, as in the context described in pornography it serves > then no real purpose. It serves the same purpose as it does in pornographic movies: it affirms the virility of the male involved, as well as assuring the reader that he (the character) has orgasmed. > The Whole Picture [TM] is probably very well described by the > Catholic teaching on this: Of the husband and wife, in an act of > total mutual self-giving in the sexual union, cooperating with > God in opening themselves up for the transmission of new life > (cf. Humane Vitae). Your Whole Picture [TM] unfortunately only applies to people who accept your church. In addition, if sex is for procreation, then 1) Why did God make it pleasurable, so that people would want to do it, rather than building it in as instinct? 2) Why did God make it fallible? Not every sexual encounter results in pregnancy, even among Catholics. Does this mean that they have sinned? > In any case alt.sex.stories and the Catholic teaching will > probably not see eye to eye on this for a long time. Granted. > > Motif #6 -- SEX USED AS AN INSTRUMENT VIOLENCE, POWER AND > HUMILIATION. > > Why pornography seems to tend in that direction, I really do not > know. Probably volumes could be written on the relationships > between sex and power/humiliation. But this probably gives good > reason why traditionally Judeo-Christianity has been so negative > with regard to sexuality -- it seems to tend to a great moral > morass. Pornography would not tend in those directions if there were not a demand for it. Many people have violent fantasies that they would never act out in real life, but will think about and read about and mull over. Later, Jeff -- JeffJ@yang.earlham.edu - Official generic .sig. Under 4 lines, under 80 columns, no Amiga checks, no witty quotes, no maps of Australia, no asterisks, no ASCII art, no disclaimers or anti-flame requests, and one spelling errer. ";-1;0 "From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Albert Sabin Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: (Deletion) > > Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring > to the New Testament. Please detail your complaints or e-mail if > you don't want to post. First-century Greek is well-known and > well-understood. Have you considered Josephus, the Jewish Historian, > who also wrote of Jesus? In addition, the four gospel accounts > are very much in harmony. > Since this drivel is also crossposted to alt.atheism, how about reading the alt.atheism FAQ? The Josephus quote is concidered to be a fake even by Christian historians, and the four gospels contradict each other in important points. Weren't you going to offer a scientific theory of Creationism? Benedikt ";-1;0 "From: jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) Subject: quality of Catholic liturgy Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 37 I would like the opinion of netters on a subject that has been bothering my wife and me lately: liturgy, in particular, Catholic liturgy. In the last few years it seems that there are more and more ad hoc events during Mass. It's driving me crazy! The most grace-filled aspect of a liturgical tradition is that what happens is something we _all_ do together, because we all know how to do it. Led by the priest, of course, which makes it a kind of dialogue we present to God. But the best Masses I've been to were participatory prayers. Lately, I think the proportion of participation has fallen, and the proportion of sitting there and watching, or listening, or generally being told what to do (which is necessary because no one knows what's happening next) is growing. Example. Last Sunday (Palm Sunday) we went to the local church. Usually on Palm Sunday, the congregation participates in reading the Passion, taking the role of the mob. The theology behind this seems profound--when we say ""Crucify him"" we mean it. We did it, and if He came back today we'd do it again. It always gives me chills. But last week we were ""invited"" to sit during the Gospel (=Passion) and _listen_. Besides the Orwellian ""invitation"", I was really saddened to have my (and our) little role taken away. This seems typical of a shift of participation away from the people, and toward the musicians, readers, and so on. New things are introduced in the course of the liturgy and since no one knows what's happening, the new things have to be explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we're just sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about to be done. In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay ""experts"", but that may not be just. I do think that a liturgy committee has a bias toward doing something rather than nothing--that's just a fact of bureaucratic life--even though a simpler liturgy may in fact make it easier for people to be aware of the Lord's presence. So we've been wondering--are we the oddballs, or is the quality of the Mass going down? I don't mean that facetiously. We go to Mass every Thursday or Friday and are reminded of the power of a very simple liturgy to make us aware of God's presence. But as far as the obligatory Sunday Masses...maybe I should just offer it up :) Has anyone else noticed declining congregational participation in Catholic Masses lately? John Murray ";17;1 "From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: Mel Hall Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <1993Apr17.212119.13901@coe.montana.edu> warped@cs.montana.edu (Doug Dolven) writes: > >Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't >with the Yankees any more. What happened to him? > > Doug Dolven Mel is alive and well and playing in Japan. (The Yanks let him go because he was asking for too much money, and because they thought that they were going to get Barry Bonds, making Hall obsolete. Oopsie! Well, at least they got O'Neill to replace the Mel-man). --I'm outta here like Vladimir! -Alan ============================================================================ | (Scene from ""Real Genius"" where Val Kilmer is trying to pick up a | | gorgeous blonde) | | Val: So, if there's anything I can do for you, or, more | | to the point, to you, you just let me know. | | Blonde: Can you hammer a six-inch spike through a board | | with your penis? | | Val: Not right now, no. | | Blonde: A girl's gotta have her standards (she walks away) | ============================================================================ ";-1;0 "From: ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator) Subject: A Moment Of Silence Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcc14.ucsd.edu April 24th is approaching, and Armenians around the world are getting ready to remember the massacres of their family members by the Turkish government between 1915 and 1920. At least 1.5 Million Armenians perished during that period, and it is important to note that those who deny that this event ever took place, either supported the policy of 1915 to exterminate the Armenians, or, as we have painfully witnessed in Azerbaijan, would like to see it happen again... Thank you for taking the time to read this post. -Helgge ";-1;0 "From: butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) Subject: How large are commercial keys? Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Lines: 13 What are the typical sizes for keys for commercial secret key algorithms? I know DES is 56 bits (""tripple DES"" is 112 bits) and IDEA is 128 bits. Is there anything made in the US that has 128 bit keys? Anything anywhere that has larger keys? I've heard that RC2 can be scaled to arbitrarily large keys, but is this actually implemented anywhere? Finally, can anyone even concieve of a time/place where 128 bit keys aren't sufficient? (I certainly can't - even at a trillion keys a second, it would take about 10 billion years to search just one billionth of that keys space.) Thanks, Dane ";-1;0 "From: Doug_Akerman@abcd.houghton.mi.us (Doug Akerman) Subject: commodoree Distribution: world Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch Lines: 15 I have a wonderful Commodore 128 for sale!!!! Also included: 1571 disk drive color moniter power supply (great shape) software joysticks 2 300 baud modems (old, but useable) contact doug (906) 487-0369 or (815) 623-6447 -- Via DLG Pro v0.995 ";-1;0 "Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Distribution: world Lines: 38 What an exciting thread (finally!) Mitra is Sanskrit for Friend, as such He started out as an avatar of Lord Visnu mentioned first in the Vedas. Later he seems to have risen to chief prominence worshipped by the Persians. Associated with the Sun but NOT the Sun, he is the lord of contract honor and obedience, therefore naturally worshipped by soldiers. He was ordered by the Sun to slay the bull of heaven and He reluct- antly agreed because of His obligation...the blood of that bull spilled and grew all earth life...then Mitra and the Sun sat down to eat. Worship of Lord Mitra ended in Persia with the ascension of the Zoroastrians. Hundreds of years later He was rediscovered and thrown into the Official Roman Pantheon (tm) for some semi-tricky reason, I forget why. But all references of Him ended abruptly when He was stricken from same, so apparently His worship was some sort of vehicle for advancement in the bureaucracy, like membership in the Communist Party was in the Soviet Bloc. The sociology of religion in ancient times is fascinating! Oh, His B-day was 25 Dec. Ahem. I am not sure if the mystery cult really lasted after His was booted from the Roman Imperial God Roster or what. It contained mostly soldiers, with 7 levels of initiation. They worshipped underground in caverns in pews. The bull horns in those temples were for scaring away or impaling evil spirits, I'm not sure that they had Mithraic significance or not. I don't know that the ritual meal was of a cannibalistic nature as is the Christian masses. But eating deities goes way back to Old Kingdom Egypt. Someone mentioned bullfighting. Did Mithraists sacrifice bulls? I forget. More likely, for a religious source, might be the shower of bull's blood enjoyed by the worshippers of Cybele on the Day of Blood? Cybele worship extended all throughout even up to France bigtime. ------- CHARLES HOPE A54SI@CUNYVM A54SI@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU GOVERNMENT BY REPORTERS...MEDIA-OCRACY. ";19;1 "From: gregl@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU (Greg Lewis) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER Nntp-Posting-Host: zimmer.csufresno.edu Organization: CSU Fresno Lines: 33 In article <1qh336INNfl5@CS.UTK.EDU> larose@austin.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes: >This just a warning to EVERYBODY on the net. Watch out for >folks standing NEXT to the road or on overpasses. They can >cause SERIOUS HARM to you and your car. > >(just a cliff-notes version of my story follows) > >10pm last night, I was travelling on the interstate here in >knoxville, I was taking an offramp exit to another interstate >and my wife suddenly screamed and something LARGE hit the side >of my truck. We slowed down, but after looking back to see the >vandals standing there, we drove on to the police station. > >She did get a good look at the guy and saw him ""cock his arm"" with >something the size of a cinderblock, BUT I never saw him. We are >VERY lucky the truck sits up high on the road; if it would have hit >her window, it would have killed her. > >The police are looking for the guy, but in all likelyhood he is gone. Stuff deleted... I am sorry to report that in Southern California it was a sick sport for a while to drop concrete blocks from the overpasses onto the freeway. Several persons were killed when said blocks came through their windshields. Many overpass bridges are now fenced, and they have made it illegal to loiter on such bridges (as if that would stop such people). Yet many bridges are NOT fenced. I always look up at a bridge while I still have time to take evasive action even though this *sport* has not reached us here in Fresno. ___________________________________________________________________ Greg_Lewis@csufresno.edu Photojournalism sequence, Department of Journalism CSU Fresno, Fresno, CA 93740 ";10;1 "From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 34 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: > Oh, I see your point. I think you're wrong. But if you sit back and > wait to find out if I'm right, it'll be too late. Just listen *very* > carefully for the first 'such and such will not be permitted on network > XYZ' shoe to drop. I've been a very intent NREN spectator of the NREN for years. As a commercial IP software vendor, it really is my professional opinion that the NREN, at this point, is irrelevant to private sector networking. If it had been deployed five years ago, it would have been a major development. Now, however, it's just an upgrade to the NSFnet, and an attempt to revive the lagging use of the national supercomputer centers. You could cut out the NSFnet completely, and the Internet would continue chugging along without a hiccup (aside from a few universities). Long-haul networking and Internet connectivity have long since ceased to be under federal sponsorship or regulation, at least in the USA. The success of the CIX (Commercial Internet Exchange) is a prime example of this. While our dear VP has been promoting his ""data superhighway,"" the private sector has been building it, without the NSFnet's restrictions. To illustrate, a connection from the machine on my desk to the machine your article was posted from (pizzabox.demon.co.uk) involves *only* commercial IP providers until it hits Amsterdam. No NSFnet. No NREN. No ""appropriate use"" restrictions. It's even 1.544mbps (T1) until it hits the EUnet gateway... QED. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation ";16;1 "From: eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder) Subject: Re: NASP Distribution: sci Organization: Boeing AI Center, Huntsville, AL Lines: 39 I have before me a pertinent report from the United States General Accounting Office: National Aero-Space Plane: Restructuring Future Research and Development Efforts December 1992 Report number GAO/NSIAD-93-71 In the back it lists the following related reports: NASP: Key Issues Facing the Program (31 Mar 92) GAO/T-NSIAD-92-26 Aerospace Plane Technology: R&D Efforts in Japan and Australia (4 Oct 91) GAO/NSIAD-92-5 Aerospace Plane Technology: R&D Efforts in Europe (25 July 91) GAO/NSIAD-91-194 Aerospace Technology: Technical Data and Information on Foreign Test Facilities (22 Jun 90) GAO/NSIAD-90-71FS Investment in Foreign Aerospace Vehicle Research and Technological Development Efforts (2 Aug 89) GAO/T-NSIAD-89-43 NASP: A Technology Development and Demonstration Program to Build the X-30 (27 Apr 88) GAO/NSIAD-88-122 On the inside back cover, under ""Ordering Information"" it says ""The first copy of each GAO report is free. . . . Orders may also be placed by calling (202)275-6241 "" Dani -- Dani Eder/Meridian Investment Company/(205)464-2697(w)/232-7467(h)/ Rt.1, Box 188-2, Athens AL 35611/Location: 34deg 37' N 86deg 43' W +100m alt. ";-1;0 "From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Article-I.D.: netcom.mssC52qMx.768 Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 86 In article <7975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: >> >>We know that very, very few players at this age make much of an impact >>in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball. > >Yes. But this is *irrelevant*. You're talking about averages, when we >have lots of information about THIS PLAYER IN PARTICULAR to base our >decisions on. Do you really have *that* much information on him? Really? >Why isn't Lopez likely to hit that well? He hit that well last year (after >adjusting his stats for park and league and such); he hit better (on an >absolute scale) than Olson or Berryhill did. By a lot. I don't know. You tell me. What percentage of players reach or exceed their MLE's *in their rookie season*? We're talking about 1993, you know. > >As for rushing... If there really is a qualitative difference between the >minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment (and I don't >believe there is), then wouldn't you rather waste Lopez's 22-year old good >season than his 23-year old very good season or his 24-year-old excellent >season? The sooner you get him acclimated, the more of his prime you get to >use. If that were your purpose, maybe. Offerman spent 1992 getting acclimated, if you will. The Dodgers as a team paid a big price that season. Perhaps they will reap the benefits down the road. Do you really think they would have done what they did if they were competing for a pennant? > >>>Lopez was hitting .588 over 17 AB when he was cut from spring >>>training. What does he have to do to earn a chance? Maybe not a full >>>time job, but at least a couple starts and a few AB for him to prove >>>his worth? >> >The point was not that 17 AB is a significant sample, but rather that he >hadn't done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager >to question whether his minor league numbers were for real, or to send him >down ""until he gets warmed up"". For a stat-head, I'm amazed that you put any credence in spring training. Did you notice who he got those 10 (!) hits off of, or are you going to tell me that it doesn't make a difference? >>The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, > >Just like Keith Mitchell did? Wait a minute. I missed something here. First, forget Keith Mitchell. Are you saying that a kid who moves from AA to AAA and then does not improve would have been better off making a direct leap to the majors? If a player does well at AA and then does not improve at AAA, isn't that a sign that maybe he doesn't belong in the bigs? Now, Keith Mitchell. As I recall (no stat books handy - surprise!) he jumped from AA to Atlanta in 1991. He did so well that he was returned to the minors, where he didn't do very well at all. Now his career is in jeopardy. So how does he fit in with your point. Good MLE's in AA. Moved him right to the big club. Now he's one step away from being traded or moved out of baseball. Duh. >That was me, and you so far your only counter-proposal is that they >really don't understand how good Lopez is, or overvalue experience, >or some combination of the two. I think my interpretation was more >flattering to the organization. Well, I've cast my lot. Certainly you may understand better how good Lopez is. And I may overvalue experience. But neither one of us runs a baseball team. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com ";-1;0 "From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie Lines: 20 Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported that Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin Damphousse and Brian Bellows to Phillidelphia, Phillie will send Eric Lindros to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick to Montreal. If this is true, it will most likely depend on whether or not Ottawa gets to choose 1st overall. Can Ottawa afford Lindros' salary? Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything. They didn't give away that much to Quebec just to trade him away again. Not to mention that Lindros seems to be a *huge* draw in Phillie -- and that he represents a successful future for the franchise. Ottawa may be better off taking the 4 players +$15 from Montreal for the pick. Stephen Legge SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca ";-1;0 "From: thomas@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (F. Thomas) Subject: print graph on printer Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 6 This seems to be a simple problem but I just cannot solve it. I wrote a C program to draw some polygons on the screen, and I want to print it on my printer. So, I press ""print-screen"" on the keyboard. The problem is the printer just print out some ASCII characters. Is there any other way to print the screen without using ""print-screen""???? Please help! ";-1;0 "From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) Subject: HYPOGLYCEMIA X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 31 anello@adcs00.fnal.gov (Anthony Anello) writes: A(> Can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of 40 when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is A(> dangerous, i.e. indicates a possible pancreatic problem? One Dr. says no, the A(> other (not his specialty) says the first is negligent and that another blood A(> test should be done. Also, what is a good diet (what has worked) for a hypo- A(> glycemic? TIA. A(> A(> A(> Anthony Anello A(> Fermilab A(> Batavia, Illinois Once you have your hypoglycemia CONFIRMED through the proper channels, you might consider ther following: 1) Chelated Manganese 25-50mg/day. 2) Chelated Chromium 400-600mcg/day. 3) Increase protein through foods or supplements. 4) Avoid supplements/foods high in Potassium, Calcium, Zinc. 5) Avoid Vit C supplements in excess of 100mg. 6) Avoid honey and foods high in simple sugars. 7) Enjoy breads, cereals, grains... Discuss the above with your health practitioner for compatibility with your body chemistry and safety. --Ron-- --- RoseReader 2.00 P003228: BEER - It's not just for breakfast anymore. RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 ";-1;0 "From: ariel@world.std.com (Robert L Ullmann) Subject: Re: Why the algorithm is secret Organization: The World in Boston Distribution: na Lines: 27 Exactly. But I'll add another observation: if the chip does become a standard, the algorithm won't _remain_ secret. Leaving the government with the only remaining option: to make use of un-escrowed keys illegal. Which won't begin to bother the terrorists and child abusers the government is so fond of referring to. Note that the Federalist papers stress _one_ reason for the right of citizens to bear arms: to defend themselves _against_ the army. _Our_ army. IMHO the _primary_ purpose of private crypto is defend ourselves _against_ the government. The odd terrorist I'm not worried about; the goverment damages my quality of life every day. Rob -- Robert Ullmann Ariel@World.STD.COM +1 508 879 6994 x226 Quand Maigret poussa la porte du Tabac Fontaine, vers une heure et demie, le patron du bar, qui venait de se lever, descendait lentement un escalier en colima çon qui s'amor çait dans l'arri ère-salle. ... Arriv é derri ère le comptoir, il repousa le gar çon d'un geste n égligent de la main, saisit une bouteille de vin blanc, un verre, m élangea au vin de l'eau min érale et, la t ête renvers ée en arri ère, se gargarisa. -- Simenon [text is ISO 10646 UTF-1 universal character set] ";-1;0 "From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) Subject: Re: Misc./buying info. needed Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr18.160449.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes: >Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how >to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)? _Cycle World_ puts one out, but I'm sure it's not very objective. Try talking with dealers and the people that hang out there, as well as us. We love to give advice. >Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)? Most of the bigger banks have a blue book which includes motos -- ask for the one with RVs in it. >Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc? Couldn't help you here. >Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles? You're reading it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Cliff Weston DoD# 0598 '92 Seca II (Tem) | | | | ""the female body is a beautiful work of art, while the male body | | is lumpy and hairy and should not be seen by the light of day."" | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) Subject: Re: Comments on a 1984 Honda Interceptor 1000? Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion. Lines: 30 jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) writes: > In article <19APR93.15421177@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes: > >Hi. > > I am considering the purchase of a 1984 Honda 1000cc Interceptor for > >$2095 CDN (about $1676 US). I don't know the mileage on this bike, but from > >the picture in the 'RV Trader' magazine, it looks to be in good shape. > >Can anybody enlighten me as to whether this is a good purchase? > > Oog. I hate to jump in on this type of thread but .... > > pass on the VF1000. It's big, top heavy, and carries lots of > expensive parts. What he said. Most of my friends refer to them as ""ground magnets."" One > ============================================================================= > |Jeff Earls jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530 KotTG KotSPT WMTC AMA > |'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon | Squid Factor: 16.99 > |'93 KLR650 - Thumpy | ""Hit the button Chewie!""... Han Solo > > ""There ain't nothin' like a 115 mph sweeper in the Idaho rockies."" - me -- Dean Woodward | ""You want to step into my world? dean@fringe.rain.com | It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."" '82 Virago 920 | -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World' DoD # 0866 ";-1;0 "From: kohlhepp@cae.wisc.edu (Robert Kohlhepp) Subject: RasterOps 8XL Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 14 I have a video board for sale for Macintosh NU-Bus machines. My other deal fell through. I am asking $200. RasterOps 8XL 640x480 800x600 <--- This was incorrectly posted as 832x624 before. 640x870 1024x768 (60hz & 75 hz) 1152x870 Make offers by mail. -- RJ Kohlhepp Novell Systems Staff kohlhepp@cae.wisc.edu Computer Aided Engineering ";-1;0 "From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 20 In article salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) writes: >I like those lyrics, >since whenever I am approached by judgemental, pharisitical, >evangelical fundamentalists who throw the Bible at me because >I have long hair, wear a black leather jacket, and listen to Black >Sabbath, I have something to throw back.... >It just goes to show that there are more important evils in the >world to battle than rock lyrics........... It just goes to show that not all evangelical fundamentalists are pharisitical! I wear a black leather jacket, like classic rock, but no longer have the long locks I once had. However, I too rely upon the Bible as a basis for Christian ethics. a fundamentalistic evangelical, --Rex ";-1;0 "From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Desertification of the Negev Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500361:000:5123 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 25 05:25:00 1993 Lines: 104 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Desertification of the Negev The desertification of the arid Negev ------------------------------------- by Moise Saltiel, I&P March 1990 I. The Negev Bedouin Before and After 1948 II. Jewish Agricultural Settlement in the Negev III. Development of the Negev's Rural Population IV. Economic Situation of Jewish Settlements in 1990 V. Failure in Settling the Arava Valley VI. Failure in Settling the Central Mountains VII. Failure in Making the Negev ""Bedouinenrein"" (Cleansing the Negev of Bedouins) VIII. Transforming Bedouin into Low-Paid Workers IX.. Failure in Settling the ""Development Towns"" X. Jordan Water to the Negev: A Strategic Asset XI. The Negev Becomes a Dumping Ground XII. The Dimona Nuclear Plant XIII. The Negev as a Military Base XIV. The Negev in the Year 2000 Just after the creation of the State of Israel, the phrase ""the Jewish pioneers will make the desert bloom"" was trumpeted throughout the Western world. After the Six Day War in 1967, David Ben-Gurion declared in a letter to Charles de Gaulle: ""It's by our pioneering creation that we have transformed a poor and arid land into a fertile land, created built-up areas, towns and villages in abandoned desert areas"". Contrary to Ben-Gurion's assertion, it must be affirmed that during the 26 years of the British mandate over Palestine and for centuries previous, a productive human presence was to be found in all parts of the Negev desert - in the very arid hills and valleys of the southern Negev as well as in the more fertile north. These were the Bedouin Arabs. The real desertification of the Negev, mainly in the southern part, occurred after Israel's dispossession of the Bedouin's cultivated lands and pastures. Nowadays, the majority of the 12,800 square-kilometer Negev, which represents 62 percent of the State of Israel (pre-1967 borders), has been desertified beyond recognition. The main new occupiers of the formerly Bedouin Negev are the Israeli army; the Nature Reserves Authority, whose chief role is to prevent Bedouin from roaming their former pasture lands; and vast industrial zones, including nuclear reactors and dumping grounds for chemical, nuclear and other wastes. Israeli Jews in the Negev today cultivate less than half the surface area cultivated by the Bedouin before 1948, and there is no Jewish pastoral activity. I. Agricultural and pastoral activities of the Negev Bedouin before and after 1948 -------------------------------------------------- In 1942, according to British mandatory statistics, the Beersheba sub-district (which corresponds more or less to Israel's Negev, or Southern, district) had 52,000 inhabitants, almost all Bedouin Arabs, who held 11,500 camels, 6,000 cows and oxen, 42,000 sheep and 22,000 goats. The majority of the Bedouin lived a more or less sedentary life in the north, where precipitation ranged between 200 and 350 mm per year. In 1944 they cultivated about 200,000 hectares of the Beersheba district - i.e. 16 percent of its total area and *more than double the area cultivated by the Negev's Jewish settlers after 40 years of ""making the desert bloom""* The Bedouin had a very low crop yield - 350 to 400 kilograms of barley per hectare during rainy years - and their farming techniques were primitive, but production was based solely on animal and human labor. It must also be underscored that animal production, although low, was based entirely on pasturing. Production increased considerably during the rainy years and diminished significantly during drought years. All Bedouin pasture animals - goats, camels and sheep - had the ability to gain weight quickly over the relatively rainy winters and to withstand many waterless days during the hot summers. These animals were the result of a centuries-old process of natural selection in harsh local conditions. After the creation of the State of Israel, 80 percent of the Negev Bedouin were expelled to the Sinai or to Southern Jordan. The 10,000 who were allowed to remain were confined to a territory of 40,000 hectares in a region were annual mean precipiation was 150 mm - a quantity low enough to ensure a crop failure two years out of three. The rare water wells in the south and central Negev, spring of life in the desert, were cemented to prevent Bedouin shepherds from roaming. A few Bedouin shepherds were allowed to stay in the central Negev. But after 1982, when the Sinai was returned to Egypt, these Bedouin were also eliminated. At the same time, strong pressure was applied on the Bedouin to abandon cultivation of their fields in order that the land could be transferred to the army. No reliable statistics exist concerning the amount of land held today by Negev Bedouin. It is a known fact that a large part of the 40,000 hectares they cultivated in the 1950s has been seized by the Israeli authorities. Indeed, most of the Bedouin are now confined to seven ""development towns"", or *sowetos*, established for them. (the rest of the article is available from Elias Davidsson, email: elias@ismennt.is) ";-1;0 "From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) Subject: Re: FLORIDA SUCKS! Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr13.232537.20672@cabell.vcu.edu>, csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes: > >This talk about the Phillies winning the NL East is scary. VERY >scary! Don't get me wrong, Im a Phillies fan but as late as last >year they looked helpless. The funny thing was they did have a lot >of injuries in '92 spring training that basically killed their >chances. Of course, don't forget the Dykstra wrist injury in the >first or second game? > First game, first at bat. -- ";-1;0 "From: flb@flb.optiplan.fi (""F.Baube[tm]"") Subject: The Area Rule X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 12 I read it refered to as the ""parabolic cross-section"" rule; the idea was that if you plot the area of the fuselage cross- section as a function of the point fore-and-aft along the fuselage, a plot that is a **paraboloid** minimizes somethin' or 'nother (to be technical about it). -- * Fred Baube (tm) * In times of intellectual ferment, * baube@optiplan.fi * advantage to him with the intellect * #include * most fermented * May '68, Paris: It's Retrospective Time !! ";-1;0 "From: brentw@netcom.com (Brent C. Williams) Subject: Re: Colorado Jumbo 250 for Gateway 2000? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 59 pd@world.std.com (Peter F Davis) writes: >I've just installed a new Colorado Jumbo 250 tape backup unit from >Gateway, and I have a couple of complaints with it. I don't know how >common or serious these problems may be. I would appreciate some >feedback from others who have used this system. (BTW, This is on a >4DX2-66V tower system.) I have a similar configuration: Colorado 250mb on 66 DX/2 tower. >The problems are: > o Firstly, Gateway shipped me only 120 Mb tapes, even though the > drive is a 250 Mb unit. When I called to complain, they only > said: ""That's all we carry,"" and ""With compression, you can > fit 250 Mb on one tape."" Maybe so, but then why did I pay > extra for the large capacity tape drive? You got suckered in the same way I did. Silly me, believing that the ""250"" logo on the front meant actual carrying capacity. The people who do this sort of thing for a living call it ""marketing."" Lawyers who prosecute it call it ""fraud."" Perhaps we can have a bunch of other duped buyers march on their corporate headquarters. > o I have about 230 Mb of data on my C: drive. I choose the > space-optimizing compression scheme and started a full backup. > The software estimated it would take about 22 minutes. It > took 4 1/2 hours. Does this sound about right? This is a bit long. My system takes about 45 minutes to do the same thing. Usually 4.5 hours, particularly if the tape is grinding away the whole time means that your block size for the write is too small. Is there any way to change the block size or write buffer size so it's bigger? > o During the backup, about a dozen files came up with ""access > denied"" errors. Most of these were in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM > (COMM.DRV, KEYBOARD.DRV, SHELL.DLL, etc.), but also > C:\WINDOWS\PROGMAN.EXE and a couple of files in the C:\TAPE > directory. Anyone else had this happen? This is because the files are opened by DOS. The files in the TAPE directory are likely the executable file or the configuration file for the tape system. I would recommend running the backup from DOS so it will make a complete backup of the TAPE directory. >Thanks for any and all feedback on this system. I'd also appreciate >hearing of good sources for blank tape cartridges, preferably 250 Mb >size. The 250mb cartridges won't do you any good since the drive won't write 250mb of physical data on the tape. >Thanks. >-pd -- -brent williams (brentw@netcom.com) san jose, california ";-1;0 "From: KINDER@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (JIM COBB) Subject: ET 4000 /W32 VL-Bus Cards Organization: University of Florida, NERDC Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Does anyone know of a VL-Bus video card based on the ET4000 /W32 card? If so: how much will it cost, where can I get one, does it come with more than 1MB of ram, and what is the windows performance like? ";-1;0 "From: LMARSHA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Laurie Marshall) Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM? Article-I.D.: cms.16BA79DBA.LMARSHA Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI U.S.A. Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: cms.cc.wayne.edu In article <1993Apr4.051942.27095@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: > >For those of you who can only decide which team is best after you have >seen the standings: > >TOR 42 25 11 95 .609 >CHI 42 25 11 95 .609 >DET 44 28 9 97 .599 >VAN 41 28 9 91 .583 > >No team in the Campbell Conference has a better record than Toronto. That's true, but according to your stats, Chicago has just as good a record as Toronto. It's interesting that you should list Toronto ahead of Chicago. Laurie Marshall Wayne State University Detroit, Michigan Go Wings!! ";-1;0 "From: pdh@netcom.com (P D H) Subject: Re: where to find comm ports with IRQs other than 3 and 4. Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 23 hamilton@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Wayne Hamilton) writes: >a friend of mine recently got such a serial card. i'll have to >ask him to verify the details, but as i recall, he paid ~$50, it's >made by STB, it has 2 (or was it 4?) ports, and it supports the AT >IRQs (8-15) in addition to the convention ones. i'm sure of the >last, because he had trouble finding comm software that would allow >him to override the ""standard"" IRQ assignments. Unfortunately there a *LOT* of such software. I also find it to be the case that the majority of the software that is BAD in this regard is COMMERCIAL software. Way too many commercial packages are very poorly written. But then most of the programs in MS-DOS are crap, such as the PRINT command TSR that locks up your system for long periods of time when the printer is full instead of trying every clock tick. Back to comm software... I find success with TELIX (my COM3 at 3e8/5 works ok on TELIX). -- | Phil Howard, pdh@netcom.com, KA9WGN Spell protection? ""1(911)A1"" | | Right wing conservative capitalists are out to separate you from your MONEY | | Left wing liberal do gooders are out to separate you from EVERYTHING ELSE!! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: asket@acad2.alaska.edu Subject: When is a couple married... Organization: University of Alaska Lines: 31 I used to be a marriage commissioner for the Alaska Court System (sort of a justice of the peace). I had great difficulty with that duty. I used to pray earnestly in the courthouse bathroom before the ceremonies, mostly asking that the couples would come to appreciate and fulfill the true holiness and divine purpose in marriage--couples who obviously didn't realize that marriage is God's institution, not the state's. Gradually, however, I came to conclude that because I was acting in a strictly secular, public capacity, established as such by both the state and the expectations of the couples involved, I was really conducting a purely secular, legal civil event, with no greater moral or religious implications than if I had been conducting a civil trial (the couple who told me, mid-ceremony, to ""please hurry it up"" may have helped me to this conclusion). I thought I had neatly rationalized a clear and sharp distinction between marriage before God, and ""marriage"" before the state, until I had to deal with my own divorce. Keeping Matthew 19:6 in mind, I felt that the state had no business dissolving my marriage established before God, but of course it assumed jurisdiction nonetheless. I would ask those of you proposing answers to this question to consider this issue's logical extension: If intercourse, or the mental intent of the parties, or the ceremony of the church, or any combination thereof, establishes marriage, then at what moment is it dissolved? Karl Thoennes III University of Alaska ";-1;0 "From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) Subject: Final season CHL stuff Originator: news@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: essex.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK Lines: 218 Here are the final stats for the CHL for the 1992-1993 season. Central Hockey League 5840 S. Memorial Drive Suite 205 Tulsa, OK 74145 Phone: (918) 664-8881 Fax: (918) 664-2215 Founder and President - Ray Miron Commissioner - Monte Miron Marketing Director - Jim Goodman Information Director - Eric Kolb Each team is owned by the league, with local intrests controlling day to day operations. Working agreements and NHL affiliations are up to each team. Each team has a $100,000 salary cap for 17 total players (16 dress up). Each team is limited to 11 visas, meaning at least 6 players must be Americans (Ignore this rule if you are Tulsa, they only had 2 Americans on the roster during the playoffs). Teams play in Wichita, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, Memphis, Fort Worth, and Dallas. Future expansion plans include Houston, San Antonio, Baton Rouge, Little Rock, El Paso, Albuquerque, Tuscon, and Amarillo. Austin is a possibility if Dallas has to move. Houston and San Antonio are in for this fall, with Baton Rouge and Little Rock likely for 94-95. TEAMS: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fort Worth Fire | Wichita Thunder | Arena: Tarrant Co. Conv. Cen. (11,342) | Kansas Coliseum (9,686) Colors: Red and Black | Blue , silver, and black GM: George Branum | Bill Shuck Coach: Pete Mahavolich | Doug Sheddan Phone #: (817) 335-FIRE | (316) 264-4625 Season Tix: $300 / $240 | $250 / $170 Single Tix: $12 / $10 | $9 / $6 Radio: | Announcers: | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dallas Freeze | Tulsa Oilers | Arena: Fair Park Coliseum (7,500) | Civic Center (6,847) Colors: Teal and Black | Orange and Blue GM: Tom Koch | Jeff D. Lund Coach: Ron Flockhart | Gary Unger Personal Guardians Phone #: (214) 421-PUCK | (918) 663-5888 ------------------ Season Tix: $300 / $240 | Ray and Monte Single Tix: $12 / $10 / $7 | $9 / $6 Miron Radio: KSKY-AM 660 | KTRT-AM 1270 Announcers-Bruce LeVine | Jeff Brucculeri Mark Stone | Jeff Bowen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Memphis River Kings | Oklahoma City Blazers | Arena: Mid-South Coliseum (9,384) | Myriad (13,399) & State Fair Arena Colors: Gold and Black | Red, Yellow, and Black (9,760) GM: Jim Riggs | Brad Lund Coach: Steve Carlson | Mike McEwen Phone #: (901) 278-9009 | (405) 235-PUCK Season Tix: | $250 / $170 Single Tix: $9 / $6 | $9 / $6 Radio: KREC-AM 600 | WWLS-AM 640 Announcers-Dave Woloshin | John Brooks Tom Stocker | Brian Barnhart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 92-93 regular season standings W L OTL PTS GF GA PIM AVG ATTDNCE (% cap) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oklahoma City Blazers.... 39 18 3 81 291 232 1561 7,827 64.2 % Tulsa Ice Oilers......... 35 22 3 73 270 230 1430 5,547 81.0 % Dallas Freeze............ 31 25 4 66 276 242 1604 4,427 59.0 % Memphis RiverKings....... 26 27 7 59 253 272 1670 5,590 59.6 % Fort Worth Fire.......... 24 29 7 55 252 288 1747 4,920 43.7 % Wichita Thunder.......... 25 33 2 52 242 320 1876 4,474 46.2 % Playoffs: Tulsa defeated Dallas, 4 games to 3 (WLLWWLW) Oklahoma City defeated Memphis, 4 games to 2 (WWLLWW) Levin Trophy Finals: Tulsa defeated Oklahoma City, 4 games to 1 (WWLWW) Playoff MVP: Tony Fiore, Tulsa (special votes to Ray and Monte Miron) Team vs. Team: 92-93 -------------------- Dallas Fort Worth Memphis Oklahoma City Tulsa Wichita Dallas.......... ----- 9-2-1 5-5-2 5-6-1 5-7-0 7-5-0 Fort Worth...... 3-7-2 ----- 4-6-2 4-8-0 8-3-1 5-5-2 Memphis......... 7-4-1 8-3-1 ----- 2-8-2 2-8-2 7-4-1 Oklahoma City... 7-4-1 8-3-1 10-2-0 ----- 6-6-0 8-3-1 Tulsa........... 7-5-0 4-7-1 10-2-0 6-6-0 ----- 8-2-2 Wichita......... 5-7-0 7-3-2 5-7-0 4-8-0 4-8-0 ----- Power Play Statistics Penalty Killng Statistics PPG Opp ShGA Pct. PPG Saves Opp ShG Pct. Okla. City 70 275 2 25.45 Okla. City 58 241 299 16 80.60 Tulsa 72 291 12 24.74 Dallas 68 278 346 14 80.34 Dallas 64 286 10 22.37 Tulsa 77 276 353 16 78.18 Fort Worth 85 387 16 21.96 Wichita 75 235 310 5 75.806 Wichita 81 396 24 20.45 Memphis 83 260 343 12 75.801 Memphis 65 329 12 19.75 Fort Worth 76 237 313 13 75.71 Penalty Record 10-Min Game Gross Oppn PIM Avg. Minor Major Bench Misc Misc Misc Match PIM Wichita 1876 31.3 433 84 20 22 24 0 3 1998 Fort Worth 1747 29.1 471 59 29 26 23 2 0 1911 Memphis 1670 27.8 480 56 28 28 13 1 1 1593 Dallas 1604 26.7 477 60 2 20 15 0 0 1534 Okla. City 1561 26.0 438 67 14 14 21 0 0 1609 Tulsa 1430 23.8 505 26 6 21 8 0 0 1243 Scoring By Period 1st Period 2nd Period 3rd Period Overtime Shootout Totals GF GA GF GA GF GA GF GA GF GA GF GA Dallas 76 82 106 82 90 74 0 1 4 3 276 242 Fort Worth 70 81 92 112 84 88 3 5 3 2 252 288 Memphis 66 88 101 89 82 88 2 3 2 4 253 272 Okla.City 98 87 82 71 108 71 1 1 2 2 291 232 Tulsa 99 58 92 83 76 86 3 1 0 2 270 230 Wichita 79 92 73 109 84 117 2 0 4 2 242 320 92-93 All-Star Team ------------------- Position First Team Second Team -------- ---------- ----------- Goaltender... Tony Martino, Tulsa Robert Desjardins, Wichita (tie) Alan Perry, Oklahoma City (tie) Defensemen... Dave Doucette, Dallas Mike Berger, Dallas Guy Girouard, Oklahoma City Tom Karalis, Tulsa Center....... Carl Boudreau, Oklahoma City Joe Burton, Oklahoma City Left Wing.... Sylvain Fleury, Oklahoma City Doug Lawrence, Tulsa Right Wing... Daniel Larin, Oklahoma City Tom Mutch, Memphis (tie Sylvain Naud, Tulsa (tie) Regular Season MVP: Sylvain Fleury, Oklahoma City Rookie of the Year: Bobby Desjardins, Wichita Leading Defenseman: Dave Doucette, Dallas Leading Goaltender: Tony Martino, Tulsa Scoring Leaders: ---------------- POINTS Team GP G A PTS GOALS Team GP G Fleury, Sylvain OKC 59 48 53 101 Fleury, Sylvain OKC 53 48 Lawrence, Doug TUL 57 22 73 95 Larin, Daniel OKC 48 43 Naud, Sylvain TUL 58 39 48 87 Mutch, Tom MEM 59 43 Mutch, Tom MEM 59 43 38 81 Thibodeau, Ken MEM 54 40 Hall, Taylor TUL 58 35 45 80 Naud, Sylvain TUL 58 39 Thibodeau, Ken MEM 54 40 35 75 Taylor, Jason DAL 60 38 Anchikoski, Wayne DAL 57 35 37 72 Boudreau, Carl OKC 48 27 44 71 ASSISTS Team GP A Larin, Daniel OKC 48 43 27 70 Lawrence, Doug TUL 57 73 Taylor, Jason DAL 60 38 32 70 Fleury, Sylvain OKC 59 53 Dent, Ted WCH 60 25 44 69 Naud, Sylvain TUL 58 48 Sanderson, Mike FTW 60 37 31 68 Doucette, Dave DAL 50 46 Gatti, Dave WCH 58 35 32 67 Hall, Taylor TUL 58 45 Nobili, Mario TUL 54 31 34 65 Girouard, Guy OKC 60 45 Cyr, Keith WCH 58 21 44 65 D'Amario, Peter MEM 60 28 35 63 PENALTY MINUTES Team GP PIM Johnston, Scot MEM 51 23 40 63 Aubrey, Ron FTW 28 237 Burton, Joe OKC 55 35 26 61 Karalis, Tom TUL 56 235 Simoni, Steve OKC 56 33 28 61 Johnson, Craig OKC 50 219 Hornak, Ernest FTW 52 22 37 59 Neish, Greg WCH 34 212 Fiore, Tony TUL 37 23 35 58 Batten, John MEM 29 210 Doucette, Dave DAL 50 10 46 56 Taylor, Jason DAL 60 210 LEADING GOALTENDERS (20 or more games) TEAM GPI MIN GAA W-L-OTL EN SO GA Saves Save Pct. Martino, Tony TUL 39 2182 3.66 23-13-2 0 2 133 1186 .899 Perry, Alan OKC 40 2406 3.72 25-13-2 3 0 149 1304 .897 Zanier, Mike DAL 40 2384 3.78 24-14-2 3 1 150 1223 .891 Mindjimba, Antoine MEM 56 3097 4.15 26-21-6 4 1 214 1603 .882 Smith, Greg DAL 21 1243 4.15 7-11-2 0 0 86 753 .897 Desjardins, Bobby WCH 52 2849 4.63 21-26-2 6 1 220 1877 .895 Belley, Roch FTW 33 1728 4.75 14-13-2 3 0 141 974 .874 Other Goalies TEAM GPI MIN GAA W-L-OTL EN SO GA Saves Save Pct. Flatt, Brian TUL 11 488 3.44 4-3-1 1 1 28 274 .907 Krake, Paul OKC 17 1029 3.50 13-3-1 0 0 60 583 .907 Loewen, Jamie TUL 13 681 3.79 6-5-0 1 0 43 399 .903 Ocello, Matt FTW 4 179 3.69 3-1-0 1 0 11 100 .901 Ocello, Matt TUL 1 34 5.29 0-0-0 0 0 3 13 .813 (Totals) 5 213 3.94 3-1-0 1 0 14 113 .890 Raymond, Eric TUL 3 181 3.98 2-1-0 0 0 12 87 .879 O'Hara, Michael FTW 18 911 4.28 6-6-2 0 0 65 559 .896 Vasko, Steve MEM 15 535 5.16 0-6-1 4 0 46 235 .836 Trentadue, Rocco FTW 17 746 4.99 1-9-3 3 0 62 365 .855 Trentadue, Rocco OKC 2 120 6.50 0-2-0 0 0 13 93 .877 (Totals) 19 866 5.20 1-11-3 3 0 75 458 .859 Harvey, Alain WCH 5 240 5.50 2-2-0 2 0 22 126 .851 Gosselin, Yannick WCH 10 345 6.43 2-3-0 0 0 37 227 .860 Gosselin, Yannick OKC 1 60 5.00 1-0-0 0 0 5 26 .839 (Totals) 11 405 6.22 3-3-0 0 0 42 253 .896 Caton, Murray WCH 2 120 9.00 0-2-0 0 0 18 84 .824 McDonnell, Dan TUL 1 34 8.83 0-0-0 0 0 5 24 .828 Sauer, E.J. TUL 1 12 10.00 0-0-0 0 0 2 4 .667 Clark, Joel WCH 2 48 10.00 0-0-0 0 0 8 29 .784 Wachter, Steve WCH 2 24 12.50 0-0-0 0 0 5 6 .545 Marc Dee Foster, r.s.h contact for the CHL ";-1;0 "From: peterson@pms001.pms.ford.com (Doug Peterson) Subject: NCAA Hockey Final Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 34 Distribution: world Reply-To: peterson@pms860.pms.ford.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pms001.pms.ford.com Keywords: college I haven't seen anyone post this so I will do the honors. Maine beat LSSU 5-4 in Milwaukee on Saturday night. It was quite a game. Maine stormed to a 2-0 lead in the first and looked like they might run away with it. Maine's first goal came inside the first thirty seconds of the game. LSSU came back at the end of the period to cut the lead to 2-1. LSSU came out in the second dominating the play particularly along the boards. The play went quickly with the refs running a no-holds-barred type of game. LSSU scored three more unanswered goals to lead 4-2 at the end of the second. Now it looked like LSSU might just walk away with the game. Coach Walsh, of Maine, replaced the starting goalie Dunham with Snow, who won the game against Michigan. Snow proved to be a much more aggressive goalie. The third period, like the second, belonged to the team behind. Maine scored three unanswered goals in a span of five minutes after the four minute mark. They were all scored by Jim Montgomery, the tournament MVP, and all assisted by Paul Kariya. The last minute of the game bears highlighting. The change to Snow also proved the difference in the end. With one minute to go and with the LSSU goalie pulled, Snow dueled with a LSSU forward in a amazing set of moves by both. Snow won. It was a great way to end the game. This year's three championships games were sold out last year in about one month. The Bradley Center holds approximately 17,700. -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Douglas J. Peterson Have _--____ ____ peterson@pms860.pms.ford.com you ` / ---- / Safety Laboratories Department driven -/- __ ____ _ / Ford Motor Company a . / / \--/___/ \/ (313) 390-8089 \_/ ,\_/ / \_/_ lately? ";-1;0 "From: dericks@plains.NoDak.edu (Dale Erickson) Subject: Telix problem Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 9 When I use telix (or kermit) in WIN 3.1, or use telix after exiting windows to dos, telix can not find the serial port. If you have some ideas on how to solve this problem or where I can find further information, send me email or send it to the news group. Thanks. Dale Erickson dericks@plains.nodak.edu -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ";6;1 "From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: Space Research Spin Off Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article <1psgs1$so4@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >| >|The NASA habit of acquiring second-hand military aircraft and using >|them for testbeds can make things kind of confusing. On the other >|hand, all those second-hand Navy planes give our test pilots a chance >|to fold the wings--something most pilots at Edwards Air Force Base >|can't do. >| > >What do you mean? Overstress the wings, and they fail at teh joints? > >You'll have to enlighten us in the hinterlands. No, they fold on the dotted line. Look at pictures of carriers with loads of a/c on the deck, wings all neatly folded. -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |God gave us weather so we wouldn't complain pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |about other things. PADI DM-54909 | ";-1;0 "From: mg@cs.princeton.edu (Michael Golan) Subject: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?! Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: elan.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 29 I was looking at the amps diagram for Sony 1090/2090 receivers, and I was amazed to find a difference between the US and Canadian model on the capacitor(s) that hangs off the output to the speakers: ------\/\/\----- to speaker (identical both models from amp ---------------| (idnetical both models) > < 10 > | ----- | | 0.022 --- --- Canadian model only! US model --- --- 0.047 and world-wide | | model only. | --- Candian model only! | --- 0.047 | | ----------- gound The board itself is also identical, with room for all three caps. The US/Can versions is clearly indicated in both places. How does that make sense? 0.047/2 is 0.0235, essentially 0.022 for caps (there are just standard caps, no special W/type/precision). Please explain this Michael Golan mg@cs.princeton.edu ";-1;0 "From: jvannes@vms.macc.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Long distance IR detection Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center Distribution: na Lines: 26 In article , wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes... > BTW, I have seen IRLEDs with outputs up to 6 watts...honest, >6 WATTS. I don't have the book here at work so I can't recall the company >name. The 6 watter ain't cheap, around $108 but if you want some power, >mamamia, that's pretty hot. They also have a 4 watt, a 2 watt and a >1 watt device in their line, and will sell small quan. to individuals. >If you are interested, I can find the book at home and get the >pertinent info. > You are probably referring to the products of Opto Diode Corp. 750 Mitchell Road Newbury Park Ca 91320 805 499-0335 The make some amazing IRLED's. The really high-powered devices are arrays of 3, 6, or 9, LED's on a TO-66 header. The 9-chip model puts out 6.5 Watts in response to a 5 Amp, 10 uS. pulse at a .5% duty cycle. I think these are designed as illuminators for IR vision systems. I would also be interested in the application here. I work with a Dance and Technology program, and want to build something to track dancers on a 30 foot wide stage from 50 feet away. ";11;1 "From: halat@panther.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City Reply-To: halat@panther.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 8 I just started reading the group. I was wondering if someone could re-post exactly what the Prophetic Warning to NYC was. Thanks -jh [I suggest sending it to him via email with a cc to me. I'll hold it in my files in case someone else needs it. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year Keywords: congratz Article-I.D.: myrddin.C52EIp.71x Organization: SeaHunt, San Francisco CA Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: seahunt.imat.com In article <1993Apr5.182851.23410@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes: > >Ouch. :-) This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the >Hurt Study. Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity >to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended >that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function >provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the >gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the >rider doesn't. I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers >have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the >CBR900RR and the GTS1000A. When I'm riding my 900RR, my goodies are already up against the tank, because the design of the Corbin seat tends to move you forward. Wouldn't the major danger to one's cajones be due to accelerating into and then being stopped by the tank? If you're already there, there wouldn't be an impact problem, would there? - Michael - -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Nelson 1993 CBR900RR | | Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com Dod #0735 | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: brucek@Ingres.COM (Bruce Kleinman) Subject: Re: Best record ever in baseball Article-I.D.: pony.1993Apr6.195932.20451 Distribution: usa Organization: Ingres Corporation, A subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc. Lines: 5 In article <1psl0jINNam3@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) writes: >Of all teams, I believe the Cubs have the best record ever in baseball. >Sometime way far back. 110+ and something. I think it was the 1954 Cleveland Indians with 111. ";-1;0 "From: debbie@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Debbie Forest) Subject: Re: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 In article <1993Apr21.231301.3050@seas.gwu.edu> sheryl@seas.gwu.edu (Sheryl Coppenger) writes: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: <>Hismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain. <>It really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect, <>and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly <>doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause <>drowsiness. < stecz@pencom.com writes: >In article <1993Apr19.235711.7285@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) >writes: >> >> >> My 90 Integra was hit hard in the 3/25 hailstorm in Austin, TX. >> The insurance company cut me a check for $6600 ($100 deductible) >> last week. Is this a record? Anybody else had settlements from >> the same hailstorm yet? >> >> Craig > > >Rumor has it that a guy at Dell Computer had his Miata totalled, so that would >be about $10k. I guess it either had the top down, or the hail ripped through the top, as you could not do $10k worth of hail damage to a Miata body. Craig > > >-- >-- > John Steczkowski stecz@pencom.com > The Constitution grants you the right to life, liberty, and the > *pursuit* of happiness. It does not attempt to guarantee that > everyone *will* be happy. ";-1;0 "From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Distribution: usa Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr5.173500.26383@ra.msstate.edu> js1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Jiann-ming Su) writes: >I say buy out Henderson's contract and let him go bag groceries. Next >season, you'll be able to sign him for nothing. That goes for any bitching >ball player. I doubt Henderson would clear waivers. And if he did, he would instantly be signed for the major league minimum, with Oakland picking up the remaining $3 million tab. Some GMs value on-field performance too... -Valentine ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. From: thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca Organization: Alberta Research Council Nntp-Posting-Host: rhea.arc.ab.ca Lines: 13 In article , enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: <<>> > What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that > it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). > Really, really depressed. > > Enzo No need to be depressed about this one. Lights aren't on during the day so there shouldn't be any daytime light pollution. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Catholic Lit-Crit of a.s.s. From: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally) Distribution: world Organization: Harding University, Searcy, AR Nntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu's message of 16 Apr 93 18:57:20 GMTLines: 45 Lines: 45 In dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu writes: > In <1993Apr14.101241.476@mtechca.maintech.com> foster@mtechca.maintech.com writes: > > >I am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior > >from the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We're- > >The-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought > >that Catholics behaved better than this. > > Please do not stoop to the > >level of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think > >that the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud, > >insulting and overbearingly self-righteous. > > (Pleading mode on) > > Please! I'm begging you! Quit confusing religious groups, and stop > making generalizations! I'm a Protestant! I'm an evangelical! I don't > believe that my way is the only way! I'm not a ""creation scientist""! I > don't think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails! > > If you want to discuss bible thumpers, you would be better off singling > out (and making obtuse generalizations about) Fundamentalists. If you > compared the actions of Presbyterians or Methodists with those of Southern > Baptists, you would think that they were different religions! > [Sarcasm on] Be sure we pick on the ""correct groups"" here. ""Bible thumpers"", ""fundamentalists"", and Southern Baptists *deserve* our hasty generalizations and prejudicial statements. Just don't pick on the Presbyterians and the Methodists! [Sarcasm off] > Please, prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the > same, so please don't write off all Protestants or all evangelicals! > > (Pleading mode off.) > > God.......I wish I could get ahold of all the Thomas Stories...... > -- > ""Fbzr enval jvagre Fhaqnlf jura gurer'f n yvggyr oberqbz, lbh fubhyq > nyjnlf pneel n tha. Abg gb fubbg lbhefrys, ohg gb xabj rknpgyl gung lbh'er > nyjnlf znxvat n pubvpr."" > --Yvan Jregzhyyre > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Jemaleddin Sasha David Cole IV - Chief of Knobbery Research > dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu ";-1;0 "From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: Re: Gotta a Question.... Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 24 Distribution: usa Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article <47844@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes: >In article , cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo) writes: > |> gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) writes: > .... > |> >>What is the maximum runs allowed before a stopper can get credit for a > |> >>relief? i.e. if a stopper comes in with a 5 run lead does he getcredit > |> >> with the save. > |> >If you come in and pitch the last three innings,and your team was ahead > |> >when you got out there and wins the game, you get a save. > |> Sort'a correct. If you pitched at least 3 innings,entered with your team > |> in the lead, was the pitcher when the game ended,the game was never tied > |> during your stint, and your team won, you get a save. > Well, the rulebook says that in the opinion of the scorer, you must have > ""pitched effectively"" for your 3 innings - this save is not automatic, > unlike the others. Someone in SABR actually looked at these games a few years ago and found that the official scorer awarded the save in every one of the games - even those in which the pitcher had pitched badly (allowing 4 or 5 runs). seeing, hearing (my two sense worth) john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu ";-1;0 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 15 In article <19930423.010821.639@almaden.ibm.com> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes: >>Since we don't have the money to keep them going now, how will >>changing them to a seperate agency help anything? >> >How about transferring control to a non-profit organisation that is >able to accept donations to keep craft operational. The problem is, you can't raise adequate amounts of money that way. The Viking Fund tried. They did succeed, in a way, but only because of the political impact of their fundraising. The actual amount of money they raised was fairly inconsequential; it would not have kept the Viking lander going by itself. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";2;1 "From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Ozzie Smith a Defensive Liability? Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr17.200602.8229@leland.Stanford.EDU> addison@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Rogers) writes: >In article steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes: >>>Smith, Ozzie .742 .717 .697 .672 .664 0.701 >> The Wizard's 1988 is the second highest year ever. Still very good, >>but I don't like the way his numbers have declined every year. In a few >>years may be a defensive liability. > >That's rich... Ozzie Smith a defensive liability... Why? Do you expect him to remain the best shortstop in the game until he reaches his seventy-third birthday, or something? Why is it such a strange concept that a forty-one-year-old Ozzie Smith might be a defensive liability in 1996? -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | ";14;1 "From: cpc4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CONNIN PATRICK COLGAIN) Subject: Keenan signs with the Rangers!! Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 11 Just heard on the news that Mike Keenan formerly of the Blackhawks, Flyers, and General of a Siberian Prison has just signed to coach the Rangers. The Rangers, who won the President's Cup last year have slipped just a bit at the end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly Flyers. The Flyers' fans are going to be disappointed on Keenans decision, because they were very interested in him. Oh well. Go CAPS!!!!!!! Connin -- ";-1;0 "From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) Subject: SHARKS REVIEW Part 3: Defensemen (21-45) Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 85 #21 PETER AHOLA Season: 2nd Acquired: '92-93, trade with Pittsburgh for future considerations Grade: I (B) It is way too early to tell about Ahola, who was acquired probably because the Penguins figured that they would lose him in the expansion draft. Ahola had only played 50 games this season (I think it's actually less; the San Jose Mercury News may be in err here), 20 of them with the Sharks. In the games he has played, he appeared quite solid defensively, although he hasn't been spectacular, and his offense isn't anything to write home about (8 points); it's even possible that the trade may be for future considerations which turn out to be ... Peter Ahola. #24 DOUG WILSON Season: 16th Acquired: '91-92, trade with Chicago for RW Kerry Toporowski and 2nd round pick in '92 entry draft Grade: I (B) I have often been accused of overly down on Wilson; I may have had too high expectations for him, but his legs, knees, et al., are giving out. Nevertheless, when he was playing, he exhibited a strong shooting and playmaking abilities, even if he has lost a step on defense, which, unfortunately, he demonstrated this year as well, as at times he was slow to catch the opponent forwards, and his offensive output was only good enough for 2nd place on the team (20 points in 42 games). But next year, which may be Wilson's last, if he can stay healthy, he can still be a contributor. #29 DEAN KOLSTAD Season: 2nd Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: I (C-/D+) It's probably somewhat unfair for me to judge Kolstad on just a handful of games (forgetting exact number, but no more than 15), but at age 25 he's quickly running out of time if he wants to make it to the NHL. In those games, he did not impress anyone; after generating 7 shots in the first period of the first game he played, he scored just 2 points in his tenure up here with the Sharks, and was even less impressive defensively, as he appeared awkward with his movement and was prone to giveaways. He needs to make a leap in his level of performance to have any chance of making the team. #38 PAT MACLEOD Season: 2nd Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: I (?) MacLeod was on the roster a lot longer than Kolstad, but it appears to my memory that he played less than Kolstad, because the Sharks were reluctant to use him, but were even more reluctant to send him to the minors, figuring that he wouldn't clear waivers; in fact, he has played the past 4-5 weeks with Kansas City, but is still technically there on a rehabilitation assignment, a ""rehab assignment"" that will include him playing in the Turner Cup playoffs. Since he has played so little, I can't even give a tentative grade on him, but he demonstrated last year excellent offensive skills but terrible defensive skills. #41 TOM PEDERSON Season: 1st Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: I (B+) Called up in the middle of the season when the defensive corps was decimated by injuries, Pederson impressed many Sharks fan here on net, including yours truly. He demonstrated very good offensive skills, scoring 20 points in 43 games. However, his size (5' 9"", 165 lbs.) is of concern, and soon after he began to shine offensive did teams begin to push him around physically, on both sides of the ice, although he had appeared fearless in his approach. But to be successful, he probably needs to bulk up to have a fighting chance on surviving against some of the bigger players in the league. #45 CLAUDIO SCREMIN Season: 1st Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade: I (D+/D) He played all of ~5 games in the league this year, but was thoroughly umimpressive, just as he was at the end of last season; again, it may be a small sample, but just as in the case of Kolstad, Scremin, at age 25, is quickly running out of time. He was not a contributor on either offense or defense in the games he played with the Sharks. The only notable thing that will go down in Scremin's entry of league stats is probably the fact that he was once traded for now Capitals goaltender Don Beaupre. =============================================================================== GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! =============================================================================== Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks ";-1;0 "From: dcr@mail.ast.CAm.ac.UK (Derek C. Richardson) Subject: Re: Animation Organization: The Internet Lines: 81 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu I think you tried to send me a message re: the animation query I posted to comp.windows.x. I've appended what I received below. If you can remember what you typed, I'd appreciate another attempt! Derek ----------------------------------------------------------- | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | | Cambridge, U.K. | | | CB3 0HA | E-mail: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk | ----------------------------------------------------------- ----- Begin Included Message ----- From aol.com!Postmaster Thu Apr 22 04:47:31 1993 Received: by cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk (UK-Smail 3.1.25.1/2) id ; Thu, 22 Apr 93 04:47 BST Received: from sco1.prod.aol.net by hp81.prod.aol.net with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19251; Wed, 21 Apr 93 23:49:16 -0400 From: Postmaster@aol.com X-Mailer: America Online Mailer To: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk Subject: Returned Mail Unknown Member Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 23:46:36 EDT Message-Id: <9304212346.tn60988@aol.com> Status: R The mail you sent could not be delivered; it was addressed to an unknown user.The text you sent follows... Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! My question is, what is the fastest way in X11R5 to dump 8 plane image data to a window? Can I take advantage of the fact that the client is running on the same machine as the server? Or am I stuck with XPutImage() (in which case I might as well give up now...)? All help appreciated...thanks! Derek ----------------------------------------------------------- | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | | Cambridge, U.K. | | | CB3 0HA | E-mail: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk | ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Headers ------------------------ >From uupsi7!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert-mailer Wed Apr 21 23:46:29 1993 remote from aolsys Received: from uupsi7 by aolsys.aol.com id aa23625; Wed, 21 Apr 93 23:39:41 EDT Received: from EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU by uu7.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA16562 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 93 19:44:00 -0400 Received: by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:58:06 -0400 Received: from ENTERPOOP.MIT.EDU by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:58:05 -0400 Received: by enterpoop.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA15705; Wed, 21 Apr 93 13:57:34 -0400 Received: from USENET by enterpoop with netnewsfor xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu (xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu);contact usenet@enterpoop if you have questions. To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 15:46:20 GMT From: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) Message-Id: <1993Apr21.154620.16330@infodev.cam.ac.uk> Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge Reply-To: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk Subject: Animation with XPutImage()? ----- End Included Message ----- ";12;1 "From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley) Subject: Electronics Summary: new address Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Panasonic KX-T3000H, Combo black cordless & speaker phone all in one. new- $160, now- $100 + shipping OBO. Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes. Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR. paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO. Radio Shack stereo amp. 2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume. Speakers not included. $20 plus shipping. If you are interested in either of the above mail me at radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu or call me, Keith, at 919-968-7779. PS- I made a type on my email address the first posting. It is now correct. _ _ // Major: Computer Science / bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) writes: >In article <1qu7op$456@genesis.MCS.COM>, arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >> >> NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, APR 19, 1993 >> >> Not because you were too busy but because >> Israelists in the US media spiked it. >> >> ................ >> >> >> THOSE INTREPID ISRAELI SOLDIERS >> >> >> Israeli soldiers have sexually taunted Arab women in the occupied Gaza Strip >> during the three-week-long closure that has sealed Palestinians off from the >> Jewish state, Palestinian sources said on Sunday. >> >> The incidents occurred in the town of Khan Younis and involved soldiers of >> the Golani Brigade who have been at the centre of house-to-house raids for >> Palestinian activists during the closure, which was imposed on the strip and >> occupied West Bank. >> If you are as revolted at this as I am, drop Israel's best friend email and >> let him know what you think. >> >> >> 75300.3115@compuserve.com (via CompuServe) >> clintonpz@aol.com (via America Online) >> clinton-hq@campaign92.org (via MCI Mail) >> >> >> Tell 'em ARF sent ya. >> >> .................................. >> >> If you are tired of ""learning"" about American foreign policy from what is >> effectively, Israeli controlled media, I highly recommend checking out the >> Washington Report. A free sample copy is available by calling the American >> Education Trust at: >> (800) 368 5788 >> >> Tell 'em arf sent you. >> >> js >> >> >> > >I took your advice and ordered a copy of the Washinton Report. I >heartily recommend it to all pro-Israel types for the following >reasons: > >1. It is an excellent absorber of excrement. I use it to line > the bottom of my parakeet's cage. A negative side effect is > that my bird now has a somewhat warped view of the mideast. > >2. It makes a great April Fool's joke, i.e., give it to someone > who knows nothing about the middle east and then say ""April > Fools"". > Clearly, if a Chutzpa reacts this way, it must be worth reading by more objective types. You are so wrapped up in your hate that you can't even take the time to edit out my long posting. Thanks for the extra milege by reposting it. ";-1;0 "From: markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson) Subject: Re: Source of random bits on a Unix workstation Organization: Wimsey Information Services Lines: 42 In article <1qs6cg$7cq@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) writes: >A few more sources are statistics on your filesystems (easily >and quickly obtained) and the output from the ""rusage"" system >call. > >You can also exec a finger to one or more favorite heavily-used >systems, though this can take several seconds. > >cf. the source code to RIPEM on ripem.msu.edu. > >Mark R. Other alternatives include output of vmstat, iostat, pstat and friends with various flags, or even better crash. e.g. on an RS/6000 (AIX 3.2) you can get lots of relatively unpredicatble data out of crash. (the output from the following script usually gives about 600k of goo on a moderately busy system.) #!/bin/sh crash <, tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) writes: > First, note that the ""experts"" will only look at ""details"", and of just > the algorithm: > > In addition, respected experts from outside the > government will be offered access to the confidential details of > the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report > their findings. > > Why not the chip design? Well, here's the possiblity: in addition to > encryption, the chip pre-processes voice signals to make them easier > to analyze/transcribe electronically. The chip, once widespread, might > effectively be part of a massively parallel computer for ""voice- > grepping"" the US phone network (or the criminal & wrong-thinking patrons > thereof). First of all, the chip doesn't do that. It runs at 16 megabits/second, which is far beyond what you need for voice. It's obviously intended for data as well, and on high-speed lines at that. Second -- what advantage is there to doing the processing in the phone? I don't care how fancy that chip is; it's not as fancy as the roomful of analyzers at Fort Meade running the program they'll have 5 years from now. They can't update every Clipper chip that's out there. Third -- if they did do this preprocessing in the chip, it would probably have a serious effect on recognizability of the voice patterns. If nothing else, that would hurt the acceptability of the product. The V.32bis modems are just barely fast enough to do a good job on properly- massaged voice as is; add any more to the mix, and you're completely out of the ballpark. ";-1;0 "From: mcgoy@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu (David McGaughey) Subject: Re: high speed rail is bad Organization: Texas Tech University Distribution: tx Lines: 32 bmich@cs.utexas.edu (Brian Keith Michalk) writes: > A few weeks ago I found out about some of the politics that > is going on with the Texas bullet train, and was appalled at some > of the apparent underhanded tactics to push this thing through > without any public say whatsoever. So, I wrote up a short > editorial thing and posted it, hoping to get some discussion. > > I suppose editorials don't do it here. So now I am asking for > the general opinion of the net about the proposed high speed > train. > > What do you think? I personally think it is a stupid idea, and > that there are a few people somewhere who are going to get very > rich from this deal. > My opinion is this: In a society whose economy is primarily based on capitalism, the role of government should be to provide those goods and services that need providing for the general public's good. BUT government should supply those necessary goods and services only when it is impossible for a private enterprise (or individual) to make money from providing them. I agree with some of the other posts that this train probably can not make money and will rely heavily on State tax dollars. The question, I think, then becomes: Do we, the general public, need the train? I certainly do not, nor will I ever, need this train in Lubbock, Texas. With the inexpensive air travel provided between Dallas and Houston, I don't think people in Dallas or Houston need it either. David McGaughey Texas Tech University ";18;1 "Subject: Re: Christians above the Law? was Clarification of pe From: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally) Distribution: world Organization: Harding University, Searcy, AR Nntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: pharvey@quack.kfu.com's message of 18 Apr 1993 18:31:38 UTCLines: 87 Lines: 87 > When are we going to hear a Christian answer to this question? > > In paraphrase: > > On what or whose authority do Christians proclaim that they > are above the Law and above the Prophets (7 major and 12 minor) and not > accountable to the Ten Commandments of which Jesus clearly spoke His opinion > in Matthew 5:14-19? What is the source of this pseudo-doctrine? Who is > the pseudo-teacher? Who is the Great Deceiver? OK, here's at least one Christian's answer: Jesus was a JEW, not a Christian. In this context Matthew 5:14-19 makes sense. Matt 5:17 ""Do not think that I [Jesus] came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill."" Jesus lived under the Jewish law. However, He was the culmination of the promises of the Prophets. He came to *fulfill* the prophecies and fully obey God's purposes. Verse 18 says ""For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished."" The key to this verse IMHO is the last phrase. Jesus, as the fulfillment of the law, ""accomplished"" what the Law was supposed to accomplish. Verse 19: ""Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."" Taken in the context of Jesus teaching Jewish people about living lives under the law, this makes sense. In general, it appears that Jesus is responding to some criticism he must have received about ""doing away with the Law."" That was not Jesus' intent at all. He had come to earth to live the Law as it should be lived and fulfill the promises made by God to his people all the way back to Eve [Gen 3:15-The serpent will bruise your heel, but *He* will bruise his head.] Jesus appeared to be ""doing away with the Law"" because he did not honor the traditions of men as equal to the Law of God. He regularly locked horns with the religious leaders of the day because he would not conform to *their* rules, only God's Law. In the Matthew passage Jesus is defending his dedication to the Law and defending himself against his accusors. Almost the entire Sermon on the Mount (Matt. 5-7) is dedicated to helping the Jewish people understand the true intent of the Law, sweeping away the clutter which had been introduced by the Pharasees and their traditions. In Galatians 3:23-26, Paul describes the relationship of Jesus to the Law in this way: [23] But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. [24] Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith. [25] But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. [26] For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. I believe this says that after Christ was revealed, the Law had served it's purpose, i.e. ""our tutor to lead us to Christ,"" and now, ""we are no longer under a tutor."" The law has been ""fulfilled"" as Christ said he would do. God, the author of the old Law, and the Christ/Man, Jesus, are the same personality. Therefore, the old Law and the new Testament (the ""last will and testament"" of Jesus) are based on the same moral principles. It makes sense that many of the principles in the old Law are re-expressed in Christianity. On the other hand, now that the Law has fulfilled it's purpose and Christians relate to God through Christ, not the Law, it also makes sense that new practices and new symbolisms were established to represent the ""mysteries"" of this new relationship. i.e. Baptism representing Christ's death, burial, and resurrection (Rom. 6:3-8), The Lord's supper as a memorial to His sacrifice (I Cor. 11:26), and Sunday as a day of worship commemorating His resurrection (Matt 28:1ff, Acts 20:7) OK, That's one Christian's explanation. I don't claim to have all these issues completely settled even in my own mind and I welcome other Christians to offer other alternatives. Please excuse the long posting. Thanks for your interest if you have read this far... John Nunnally Nunnally@acs.Harding.edu ";-1;0 "From: luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo) Subject: Re: My 1993 Predictions Article-I.D.: odin.C52w7y.n09 Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: bullpen.csd.sgi.com In article <1993Apr6.143616.3588@infonode.ingr.com> kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com writes: >I thought I'd post my predicted standings since I find those posted by others >to be interesting. Sorry this is after Opening Day. I certify that these >were completed before the first pitch. :-) > > >NL West - The 2 best teams in baseball are in this division. >1. Atlanta Braves - Awesome starters, but offense could be a concern >2. Cincinnati Reds - Would not surprise me if they won it all >3. Houston Astros -Any team that signs Uribe won't contend. Closer to 4 than 2 >4. San Diego Padres - Plantier could be the Sheffield of 1993 >5. Los Angeles Dodgers - better pitching than the Giants >6. San Francisco Giants - because the Rockies just stink >7. Colorado Rockies - will become the Seattle Mariners of the NL. > > >NLCS Montreal d. Atlanta (Braves fans, yes I'm probably contradicting > what I said in my NL West comment.) >ALCS New York d. Minnesota > >World Series New York d. Montreal - Hating the Yankees will be > fashionable again > >NL MVP: Barry Bonds, or maybe McGriff I guarantee that if Bonds wins the MVP the Giants will finish higher than 6th. luigi -- Randy Palermo luigi@csd.sgi.com Fax: (415)961-6502 Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd Mt. View, CA 94039 ""Play an accordion, go to jail. That's the LAW"" ";-1;0 "From: ffritze@hpwad.WAD.HP.COM (Fromut Fritze) Subject: Re: Need help writing MS EXCEL macro Organization: Hewlett-Packard Waldbronn, Germany Lines: 20 > for each_student do > begin > Lowest_Score_Found := Max_Possible_Value > for I := 1 to Number_Of_Assignments do > begin > if Score[I] < Lowest_Score_Found then > Lowest_Score_Found := Score[I] > end > Total_Score := SUM(all scores) - Lowest_Score_Found > end Couldn't you simply use MIN() as you use SUM() and than subtract it from SUM() ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ internet: ffritze@hpwbe007.wad.hp.com phone: Germany 7243 602296 address: Fromut FRITZE, Waldbronn Analytic Division R&D, Hewlett Packard Str, D 7517 Waldbronn 2, Germany ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";6;1 "From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Integra GSR Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.035020.16730 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 57 In article <1993Apr5.234729.100387@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS) writes: >In article <3mwF2B1w165w@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, jonc@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (J >on Cochran) writes: >>> > I'd like to add the Beretta GTZ as a car which will kick GS-R butt >>> >anyday, and it's a lot cheaper to boot Comparing the GTZ and GSR is apples to oranges, somewhat like a Mustang 5.0 and a CRX, both have very different ways of doing things and ought to appeal to different buyers, i.e., I don't think an Acura owner would be seen dead in a Chevy dealership or vice versa. [stuff deleted] >are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than No Integra I have seen comes with all-season tires. The GTZ does come with much bigger 16"" wheels. >along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that >Your acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine >Road & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track. The C+D figures are almost certainly bogus and based on a hot prototype supplied by Acura. The MT figures are more plausible. >Also Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1 16.1 sounds reasonable, probably faster than regular Integras. >> So, the Beretta can out handle the Integra and it can certainly keep >>up with it in acceleration. And the Beretta probably has a higher top >>speed due to the horsepower advantage (160/117 (hp/torque) for the >>Integra vs. 180/160 for the Beretta). >***You always believe those exact numbers, why don't you drive a GS-R, and see >for your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000 The GSR gearing is horrible for day to day driving. It needs a 6 speed box more than any other modern car. Essentially 5th in a regualr Integra equals 4th in the GSR, and the regular Integras are very buzzy at speed. >rpm make up for the difference (still wouldn't call it a torque moster though!) > >>Considering you save almost $3,000 dollars for the Beretta, and the Quad4 >>is a reliable engine, it doesn't make sense to get the Integra as a The only person I knew with a GTZ had it bought back by GM as a lemon. It was a piecve of junk, but very quick for FWD. >Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable, >then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect The only GSR owner I know had the engine throw a rod with less than 5k miles, a rare screw up by Honda. Both the GTZ and GSR are flawed cars. The performance enthusiasts would take the GTZ and the CR purchase would be the GSR. Craig ";-1;0 "From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy Organization: none Lines: 13 Tim Rolfe writes: without active participation. If you know the Latin, one really beautiful way to hear the Passion is it's being chanted by three deacons: the Narrator chants in the middle baritone range, Jesus chants in the bass, and others directly quoted are handled by a high tenor. I heard the Gregorian chant of the Passion on Good Friday. In this liturgy, our Lord is definitely *very* sad. It's as if He has resigned Himself to die for these poor pitiful creatures who are killing Him. The chant is *quite* beautiful. ";-1;0 "From: cs1442au@news.uta.edu (cs1442au) Subject: Reboot problem Organization: University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 38 From x51948b1@usma1.USMA.EDU Tue Apr 20 10:28:47 1993 Received: from usma1.usma.edu by trotter.usma.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1-eef) id AA01628; Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:27:50 EDT Received: by usma1.usma.edu (5.51/25-eef) id AA03219; Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:20:18 EDT Message-Id: <9304201520.AA03219@usma1.usma.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:20:17 EDT From: x51948b1@usma1.USMA.EDU (Peckham David CDT) To: cs1442au@decster.uta.edu Subject: Problem. Status: OR -------------------- I am running a Unisys PW2 386SX20 with DOS 6. My problem, even when I had DOS 5.0, is that when I have EMM386 loaded I can't CTL-ALT-DEL. If I do, the computer beeps a few times rapidly and hangs. Then I have to use the obscure reset (requires a screwdriver or pencil) or the power switch to reboot. Does anyone have a solution to this problem? E-mail me at x51948b1@usma1.usma.edu Dave --------------------- Thanks, dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David S. Peckham | Internet : x51948b1@usma1.usma.edu U.S. Military Academy | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jason Brown cs1442au@decster.uta.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fav player Ruben Sierra ";-1;0 "From: cub@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Ray Miller) Subject: Sid Fernandez? Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Distribution: usa Lines: 10 I read this morning that Sid Fernandez left last nights' game with stiffness in his shoulder. Does anyone have any information as to the extent of the injury (if indeed there is one), or weather the cold air in Colorado just got his joints a little stiff? Thanks for the help... | Ray Miller | DISCLAIMER | | cub@chopin.jpl.nasa.gov | All opinions are strictly my own | ""I once spent a year in Philadelphia, I think it was on a Sunday"" WCFields ";14;1 "From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov In-reply-to: dozonoff@bu.edu's message of 21 Apr 93 16:18:19 GMT In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes: Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!bu.edu!dozonoff From: dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) Newsgroups: sci.med Date: 21 Apr 93 16:18:19 GMT References: Sender: news@bu.edu Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Sharon Paulson (paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov) wrote: : {much deleted] : : : The fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made : by Kellog's makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to : something in the coating or the cereals. Of the four of us in our : immediate family, Kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever, running : nose, itchy eyes, etc. but we have a lot of allergies in our family history : including some weird food allergies - nuts, mushrooms. : Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it. Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested. -- David Ozonoff, MD, MPH |Boston University School of Public Health dozonoff@med-itvax1.bu.edu |80 East Concord St., T3C (617) 638-4620 |Boston, MA 02118 A couple of folks have suggested the ""corn connection"". In the five month period between the two seizures, my daughter had eaten a fair amount of Kix and Berry Berry Kix in the mornings and never had a problem. I checked the labels and the first ingredient is corn. She has also never had a problem eating corn or corn on the cob but of course, that is usually later in the day with a full stomach so the absorption would not be so high. I do believe that Frost Flakes have corn in them but I will have to check the Fruit Loops. But the fact that she has eaten this other corny cereal in the morning makes me wonder. Thanks for checking into this. All information at this point is valuable to me. Sharon -- Sharon Paulson s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov NASA Langley Research Center Bldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156 Work: (804) 864-2241 Hampton, Virginia. 23681 Home: (804) 596-2362 ";-1;0 "From: whheydt@pbhya.pacbell.com (Wilson Heydt) Subject: Re: Ancient Books Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA Lines: 21 In article , cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: > But, since the manuscripts are so close to the actual event, especially as > compared with ancient ""non-Christian"" history, could it help show that we have > accurate copies of the original texts? That's a very weak argument--due the lack (with regard to critical events) of independent supporting texts. As for the dating of the oldest extant texts of the NT.... How would you feel about the US Civil War in a couple of thousand years if the only extant text was written about *now*? Now adjust for a largely illiterate population, and one in which every copy of a manuscript is done by hand.... --Hal -- Hal Heydt | Analyst, Pacific*Bell | If you think the system is working, 510-823-5447 | Ask someone who's waiting for a prompt. whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM | ";17;1 "From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: Branch Davidians info Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 40 In article clitton@opie.bgsu.edu writes: >From: clitton@opie.bgsu.edu >Subject: Branch Davidians info >Date: 18 Mar 93 07:31:55 GMT >I am looking for any information on the Branch Davidians. Send info to Chad >Litton, ACS Dept. BGSU, Bowling Green OH 43403. Or e-mail to >clitton@andy.bgsu.edu Thanks in advance. I don't claim to be an expert on the branch Davidians, but I might know more than most. The Branch Davidian group (led by Koresh) is actually one of two off-shoots of a group known as the Shephard's Rod. The Shephard's Rod (now defunct as far as I know)broke off from the SDA Church in the 30's. The Shephard's Rod broke away from the SDA Church because they felt that the SDA Church was becoming weak and falling into apostacy. They felt that they were the remnant spoken about in Revelation. About the Koresh group, Koresh gained control of it in 1987 or 1988. Once in control, he made himself the center of it. He proclaimed himself as Christ. Koresh himself came from an SDA background. He was excommunicated as a young adult by the local congregation for trying to exert too much control over the youth in the church. After this, he joined the Branch Davidians. They were/are a survivalist cult. This is why they had the stockpile of weapons, food, a bomb shelter, etc. They had no intent of raiding the US government or anything. They were preparing for Armaggedon and were putting themselves in a self defense position. In my opinion, if the ATF and the FBI had left well enough alone, we wouldn' t have the blood of 20+ children crying out from the ashes in Waco. If you want to know about The Shephard's Rod, you might want to visit the local SDA church and talk to some of the older people. They could give you some insight into where Koresh got his theology. Tammy ";-1;0 "From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) Subject: Re: XWindows always opaque Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 57 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Keywords: xwindow, parent-child relation Originator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov In article , hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Hess) writes: |> Hi, |> |> I wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area of |> its childs. If it is not, then how could it be possible to implement a |> rubberband across multiple xwindows to select the objects that are |> displayed one in each window? |> |> Hauke |> If you specify the rootwindow when you are creating your GC. You may use Xlib to draw over multiple windows. I have an application that does something similar for rubber banding. curs_move = XCreateFontCursor (disp_data, XC_crosshair); geom_vals.foreground = blck_pixl ^ grey_dark; geom_vals.plane_mask = AllPlanes; geom_vals.line_width = 0; geom_vals.function = GXxor; geom_vals.subwindow_mode = IncludeInferiors; evnt_mask= GCForeground | GCPlaneMask | GCLineWidth | GCFunction | GCSubwindowMode; geom_gcon= XCreateGC (disp_data, root_iden, evnt_mask, &geom_vals); later I can move the rubber band or bands using the following logic /**********************************************************************/ void Tselect::move_bands (int delt_xloc, int delt_yloc) /****/ stuff deleted ... XDrawRectangle (disp_data, root_iden, geom_gcon, sele_pntr->rootx, sele_pntr->rooty, sele_pntr->xlnth, sele_pntr->ylnth); undraw old one sele_pntr->papax+= delt_xloc; sele_pntr->papay+= delt_yloc; sele_pntr->rootx+= delt_xloc; sele_pntr->rooty+= delt_yloc; XDrawRectangle (disp_data, root_iden, geom_gcon, sele_pntr->rootx, sele_pntr->rooty, sele_pntr->xlnth, sele_pntr->ylnth); draw new one more stuff deleted hope this helps -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan ";12;1 "From: vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) Subject: Altitude adjustment Summary: How to adjust to 9000 ft when you come from sea-level Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada V6V 2J3 Lines: 20 I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities quite frequently, on business. The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000 feet of altitude. One of them especially is very polluted... Often I feel faint the first two or three days. I feel lightheaded, and my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level. Also, it is very dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol. Thing is, I still have symptoms. How can I ensure that my short trips there (no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible? Is there something else that I could do? A long time ago (possibly two years ago) there was a discussion here about altitude adjustment. Has anyone saved the messages? Many thanks, Vida. ";-1;0 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article suopanki@stekt6.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki) writes: >:> God is eternal. [A = B] >:> Jesus is God. [C = A] >:> Therefore, Jesus is eternal. [C = B] > >:> This works both logically and mathematically. God is of the set of >:> things which are eternal. Jesus is a subset of God. Therefore >:> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal. > >Everything isn't always so logical.... > >Mercedes is a car. >That girl is Mercedes. >Therefore, that girl is a car? This is not strickly correct. Only by incorrect application of the rules of language, does it seem to work. The Mercedes in the first premis, and the one in the second are NOT the same Mercedes. In your case, A = B C = D A and D are NOT equal. One is a name of a person, the other the name of a object. You can not simply extract a word without taking the context into account. Of course, your case doesn't imply that A = D. In his case, A does equal D. Try again... --- ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men."" Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993 The one TRUE Muslim left in the world. ";-1;0 "From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 19 In article mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes: >In article <16BB5124A0.PA146008@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> PA146008@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (David Veal) writes: >> Be cute if Koresh hit the trail. >> >> Maybe he was bodily assumed into heaven. Wouldn't that just >>make AG Reno's day? > >*snort* I sorta doubt it... > >However... No bodies? By the time this message gets out >they'll doubtless have found bunches, but wouldn't it be >interesting if they had a tunnel and are long gone? If they hadn't killed the ATF people in the original raid, I think I would laugh my ass off. (Actually, to be honest, I still might.) Ryan ";-1;0 "From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: IDEA vectors? Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 11 I am testing IDEA block cipher implementations for correctness and needs some golden test vectors. I've looked through the postscript IDEA chapter but the single example gives me zero degrees of freedom. I'll contact the inventor if necessary but since we are NOT paying him money for use of his invention, I'd like to offload this from him. Anybody got vectors? (No disease vectors, please). -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F ";16;1 "From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) Subject: Re: David Polie's future Organization: UB Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu In article <92821@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: >In article gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Gary James Patalsky) writes: >>Bad news for the Patrick division next year. Caps GM David Polie is >>reportedly trying to get a front office job with the NHL. I can't >>believe Polie has not been fired despite 10 years of mediocrity. > > YES! YES! THE IDIOT'S GONE! THE IDIOT'S GONE!!!!!!! I wish >this happened before he traded Hrivnak. Anyway, THE IDIOT'S GONE!!! > He's not gone yet. The position opening is down to Polie and the Sabres' GM Gerry Meehan. I think I'd like to see Meehan gone... -- Valerie Hammerl ""Some days I have to remind him he's not hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu Mario Lemieux."" Herb Brooks on Claude acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu Lemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu known for taking dumb penalties. ";-1;0 "From: dwarf@bcarh601.bnr.ca (W. Jim Jordan) Subject: Re: Truly a sad day for hockey Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh601 Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Lines: 19 Farewell, Minnesota fans. Get stuffed, Dallas Stars. As the North Stars fade to black, I hope that Minneapolis/St. Paul are not long without an NHL team. It just seems ""right"" that the hotbed of amateur hockey in the USA should have an NHL team as well. The loss of the team is certainly not the fault of the fans (though the start of the 1989-90 season made it look real bad for a while). I wish now that I kept the North Stars cap I bought at Maple Leaf Gardens the morning after they eliminated Montreal in 1980. (I got it to spite the Montreal fans in the small town where I grew up.) What a glorious season that was for the North Stars! dwarf -- W. Jim Jordan ""I don't mean to tell you how to live dwarf@x400gate.bnr.ca (Internet) your life--that's what the TV's for-- I work for BNR; I do not speak for it. but if I didn't believe in Jesus, I'd be going to hell."" - Peter Heath ";-1;0 "From: daniels@math.ufl.edu (TV's Big Dealer) Subject: Re: Variants in the NT Text (cont.) Organization: Whatever Lines: 6 I wish to echo what D. Andrew Kille wrote. I know of no published form in English of the D-type recension of ""Acts"". Of course, Bezae is quite bizarre in the gospels as well. Only D-type texts share Bezae's strange readings. [By the way, ""D"" stands for Codex Claromontanus elsewhere.] Frank D ";-1;0 "From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) Subject: Militello update Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 22 HEY!!! All you Yankee fans who've been knocking my prediction of Baltimore. You flooded my mailbox with cries of ""Militello's good, Militello's good."" Where is he??!! I noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first outing. He's not by any chance in Columbus now, is he? Please don't tell me you're relying on this guy to be the *fourth*, not the fifth, but the *fourth* starter on this brittle pitching staff. As for the O's, it's still early. See y'all at the ballyard Go Braves Chop Chop Michael Mule' -- Michael Andre Mule Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu ";14;1 "From: sukenick@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (SYG) Subject: Re: AD conversion Organization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility Lines: 33 >> I am working a data acquisition and analysis program to collect data >> from insect sensory organs. >> Another alternative is the use of the sound input port. > >Can you really make due with the non-existent dynamic range of an 8-bit >converter, of probably dubious linearity and monotonicity, and perhaps >AC-coupled as well? It would depend on the requirements of the poster's data, for some purposes 1/256 resolution (with or without calibration curve). Otherwise the other possibilities would be: 1) get a digital voltameter with serial output & connect to serial port on mac, collect data with some communications program. 2) Buy an A/D chip from Analog devices, Burr-Brown, etc, connect to a parallel to serial converter, use serial port for acquisition (nah. too much soldering and trouble shooting :-) 3) Get a board from National Instruments, Data Translation, Omega, etal. The finest solution, but possibly the most costly. To the original poster: if the signal is too large, why not use a voltage divider? Two resistors, cost very cheap... -- -george sukenick@sci.ccny.cuny.edu 212-650-6028 ";-1;0 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Orbital RepairStation Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 21 In article collins@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Collins) writes: >The difficulties of a high Isp OTV include... >If you go solar, you have to replace the arrays every trip, with >current technology. You're assuming that ""go solar"" = ""photovoltaic"". Solar dynamic power (turbo-alternators) doesn't have this problem. It also has rather less air drag due to its higher efficiency, which is a non-trivial win for big solar plants at low altitude. Now, you might have to replace the *rest* of the electronics fairly often, unless you invest substantial amounts of mass in shielding. >Nuclear power sources are strongly restricted >by international treaty. References? Such treaties have been *proposed*, but as far as I know, none of them has ever been negotiated or signed. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";-1;0 "From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 37 kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled: : In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: : |> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes: : |> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: : |> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm? : |> >> : |> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it. : |> > : |> > Why not? Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus : |> >and Vauxhall. Rover is only owned 20% by Honda. : |> : |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes of A.M., : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus. It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British : |> ownership. It's a fundamental thing : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not : the name. : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR. It's a seperate company from the RR Aero-Engine company. I think that the government own a stake. Unfortunately they owned a stake of Jaguar too, until they decided to make a quick buck and sold it to Ford. Bastards. This is definitely the ultimate Arthur-Daley government. -- Nick (the Cynical Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Leaky Gearbox M'Lud. Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\ ""Teneo tuus intervallum"" Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. \ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 ";-1;0 "From: cr292@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim Schenk) Subject: Re: the hawks WILL return to the finals!!!!! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu The Hawks won the Norris div, and sealed their fate. It's bad luck to win the Norris. The Hawks will sweep the Blues in their dreams but will lose in 6 in reality. I predict that in the 6 game with the Blues Belfour will go down on his knees 7000 time s and will spend the rest of the time looking behind him self. Butcher will pound Roenick and The warthawks have no one tough enough to prevent it Bye Bye Wart HAwks ";-1;0 "From: silly@ugcs.caltech.edu (Brad Threatt) Subject: Remote file system security Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: vex.ugcs.caltech.edu In light of my recent paranoia concerning government proposals, I'd love to see a UNIX-based encryption scheme that: 1) Kept some files encrypted on the host machine (say, all the files in your home directory) 2) Used a key system that could not be compromised by eavesdropping over a modem line. It seems that this would require modifications to a shell program and a way of telling whether a file was encrypted or not, among other things. I'd love to know about potential security holes in such a system. Does such a system exist? If it were made easy-to-use and readily available, I think it would be a Good Thing(tm). I realize that this would probably just involve putting a nice front-end on a readily available and very secure encryption scheme, but it should be done. Thanks for the ear, Brad ";-1;0 "From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: Studies on Book of Mormon Lines: 31 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 31 In article <735023059snx@enkidu.mic.cl> agrino@enkidu.mic.cl (Andres Grino Brandt) writes: >From: agrino@enkidu.mic.cl (Andres Grino Brandt) >Subject: Studies on Book of Mormon >Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 14:15:33 CST >Hi! > >I don't know much about Mormons, and I want to know about serious independent >studies about the Book of Mormon. > >I don't buy the 'official' story about the gold original taken to heaven, >but haven't read the Book of Mormon by myself (I have to much work learning >Biblical Hebrew), I will appreciate any comment about the results of study >in style, vocabulary, place-names, internal consistency, and so on. > >For example: There is evidence for one-writer or multiple writers? >There are some mention about events, places, or historical persons later >discovered by archeologist? > >Yours in Collen > >Andres Grino Brandt Casilla 14801 - Santiago 21 >agrino@enkidu.mic.cl Chile > >No hay mas realidad que la realidad, y la razon es su profeta I don't think the Book of Mormon was supposedly translated from Biblical Hebrew. I've read that ""prophet Joseph Smith"" traslated the gold tablets from some sort of Egyptian-ish language. Former Mormons, PLEASE post. Tammy ""no trim"" Healy ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: US-Made M-B SUV Lines: 10 Mercedes-Benz announced yesterday its plans to begin building sport-utility vehicles in the US by 1997. They are targeted at the Jeep Grand Cherokee et al. and will reportedly sell for less than $30,000. Did anyone see a picture? Is it the G-wagon (Gelaendewagen) currently available in Europe (and in the US by grey-market) or is it an entirely new vehicle? Any details would be appreciated. Dick Meyer Applied Research Laboratory, Penn State ";-1;0 "Subject: E-mail of Michael Abrash? From: gmontem@eis.calstate.edu (George A. Montemayor) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 0 ";-1;0 "From: phantom@diku.dk (Haktan Bulut) Subject: Is 980-1MB/sec. HD transfer slow for 486DX-50 EISA with UltraStor24F Keywords: SCSI Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Lines: 27 Hi. I recently switched my old Amiga 500 with a 486DX-50. My computer configuration is : 486DX-50 Mhz. 8/256 kB EISA (Micronics Motherboard ASIC EISA 50Mhz) 16MB Ram ST3283N 248 MB Harddisk, SCSI UltraStor24F EISA Cache Controller When I use Norton6.0 Harddisk benchmark, I get a Harddisk data transfer about 980 kb/sec. and sometimes 1MB/sec. Is that good ? I thought that with EISA I could get about 2MB/sec. Somewhere in the manual for my harddisk I have read, that some host adapters need to perform a low-level format to optimize the harddisk performance in that system, do I need that ? A guy I know, gets a HD transfer about 1.2MB/sec, and he has an ST3283A and a ISA 486DX-50, how can a ISA with the same system be faster ? Is there anything that I can do to get a speedier harddisk ? Thanks. phantom@diku.dk (e-mail is preffered) Working on a sign...... ""Are we live or on tape ??"" ";-1;0 "From: joel@cs.mcgill.ca (Joel MALARD) Subject: Bone marrow sclerosis. Summary: Information sought. Keywords: Severely low blood cell count Nntp-Posting-Host: binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 10 I am looking for information on possible causes and long term effects of bone marrow sclerosis. I would also be thankful if anyone reading this newsgroup could list some recognized treatment centers if anything else than massive blood transfusion can be effective. If you plan on a ""go to the library""-style reply, please be kind enough to add a list of suggested topics or readings: Medicine is not my field. Regards, Joel Malard. joel@cs.mcgill.ca ";-1;0 "From: tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) Subject: PaintProgram Wanted Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 8 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: antithesis.engin.umich.edu Excuse the sheer newbieness of this post, but I am looking for a decent PaintProgram which will save to various file formats (.BMP .PCX etc etc) via ftp, freeware, or shareware. I would like to check out the available programs for little $$ before I check out the commercial market. Thanks in advance for any help or direction you can give me. Daemon ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impac From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca Distribution: world Organization: Robert Smits Lines: 21 cooper@mprgate.mpr.ca (Greg Cooper) writes: > In article <1qeftj$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - > >In article sda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturde > >> > >> Only exceptional ones like me. Average ones like you can barely fart > >>by themselves. > > > >Fuck you very much, Mike. > > > > Gentlemen _please_. > -- Greg's obviously confused. There aren't many (any) gentlemen on this newsgroup. Well, maybe. One or two. Robert Smits Ladysmith BC | If Lucas built weapons, wars emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca | would never start, either. ";-1;0 "From: stromer@eyore.unet.com (Philip H. Stromer) Subject: Re: URGENT **** TED FRANK WANTED FOR KILLING AJ TEEL... Article-I.D.: unet.1993Apr6.221210.3054 Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: eyore If the heading is true, Mr. Frank should be ashamed of himself. Nothing makes me gag more than people who don't respect the rights of others to voice their opinions. My idol Lenny Bruce once commented about ""that asshole Time Magazine"" when they advocated censorship of his material. Time actually sided with the cops' and their arresting of Bruce at his shows, whereby he routinely would say ""cocksucker"", then the cops would rush the stage to arrest him. My, how the times haven't changed... I can't help but think of how Lenny would be received in today's politically correct arena. Heck, I even support the right of neo nazis to speak their opinions and march down the streets. And before Mr. Frank or anyone else makes any wisecracks about anti-Semitism...I'm Jewish, a longtime member of AIPAC and the JNF, and have contributed over $1000 apiece to these fine groups. I'm a regular contributor to every pro-Israel group I can find, but I still support the right of people like Arf to speak up and vomit his propaganda. I want to know just WHO these people are !!! I'm basing all this on the assumption that Mr. Frank did indeed write to some sysadmin requesting Mr. Teel to be admonished. If this is not the case, I hereby retract these nasties directed toward him. If not, I stand against Mr. Frank and his trashing of the First Amendment. Philip Stromer ";-1;0 "From: ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Lines: 66 Nntp-Posting-Host: taupe.cc.utexas.edu Organization: University of Texas @ Austin Lines: 66 In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: > > From: Center for Policy Research > Subject: Ten questions about Israel > > > Ten questions to Israelis > ------------------------- > > I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to > provide > accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are > indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by > people around me. > > 1. Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize > Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens > must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as > Israelis ? That's true. Israeli ID cards do not identify people as Israelies. Smart huh? > 3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so, > could you provide any evidence ? Yes. There's one warhead in my parent's backyard in Beer Sheva (that's only some 20 miles from Dimona, you know). Evidence? I saw it! > 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of > individuals which were tried in secret and for which their > identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are > state secrets ? Yes. But unfortunately I can't give you more details. That's _secret_, you see. [...] > > Thanks, > > Elias Davidsson Iceland email: elias@ismennt.is You're welcome. Now, let me ask you a few questions, if you don't mind: 1. Is it true that the Center for Policy Research is a one-man enterprise? 2. Is it true that your questions are not being asked bona fide? 3. Is it true that your statement above, ""These are indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by people around me"" is not true? Noam ";-1;0 "From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) Subject: Government-Mandated Energy Conservation is Unnecessary and Wastful, Study Finds Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg Lines: 94 Government-Mandated Energy Conservation is Unnecessary and Wastful, Study Finds Washington, DC -- The energy tax and subsidized energy-efficiency measures supported by President Clinton and Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary are based on faulty assumptions, a new study from the Cato Institute points out. According to Jerry Taylor, Cato's director of natural resource studies, we are not running out of sources of energy. The world now has almost 10 times the proven oil reserves it had in 1950 and twice the reserves of 1970. Proven reserves of coal and natural gas have increased just as dramatically. When standards of living, population densities, and industrial structures are controlled for, the United States is no less energy efficient than Japan and more energy efficient than many of the Group of Seven nations. Energy independence provides little protection against domestic oil price shocks because the energy economy is global. Moreover, since the cost of oil represents only about 2 percent of gross national product, even large increases in the price of oil would have little impact on the overall U.S. economy. Market economies are, on average, 2.75 times more energy efficient per $1,000 of GNP than are centrally planned economies. Utilities' subsidized energy-efficiency measurs, known as demand-side management programs, encourage free riders, overuse of competing resource inputs, an competitive inequities. Furthermore, DSM programs do not reduce demand. Taylor concludes that government-mandated energy conservation imposes unnecessary costs on consumers and wastes, not conserves, energy; that subsidizing energy-conservation technologies will stymie, not advance, gains in energy conservation; and that central control over the lifeblood of modern society--energy--would transfer tremendous power to the state at the expense of the individual. ""Energy Conservation and Efficiency: The Case Against Coercion"" is no. 189 in the Policy Analysis series published by the Cato Institute, an independent public policy research organization in Washington, DC. 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Washington, DC 20003 ";-1;0 "From: ob00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (OLCAY BOZ) Subject: Re: Postscript view for DOS or Windows? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 21 Where can I find the MS windows version of ghostscript? Thanks.. In article , hjstein@sunrise.huji.ac.i l (Harvey J. Stein) writes: >I've been using version 2.5.2 of ghostscript, and I'm quite satisfied >with it. There are, actually, 3 versions: a plain dos version, a 386 >version, and a windows version. > >Harvey Stein >hjstein@math.huji.ac.il > -- ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** _m_ _ 0___ \ _/\__ |/ \ /| ";-1;0 "From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 60 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >This doesn't answer the original question. IS OS/2 a multi-user OS? >And no mention was made of an ether card either. But from a disk/data >point of view, why does SCSI have an advantage when it comes to multi- >tasking? Data is data, and it could be anywhere on the drive. Can >SCSI find it faster? can it get it off the drive and into the computer >faster? Does it have a better cache system? I thought SCSI was good at >managing a data bus when multiple devices are attached. If we are >only talking about a single drive, explain why SCSI is inherently >faster at managing data from a hard drive. You are making the same mistake I did: you are confusing the DRIVE interface to the DATA THROUGHPUT interface. Again from my Mac & IBM info sheet {available by FTP on sumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6) in the info-mac/report as mac-ibm-compare173.txt}: Expansion Both Mac & IBM SCSI: only external device expansion interface common to both Mac and IBM. Allows the use of any device: hard drive, printer, scanner, Nubus card expansion {Mac Plus only}, some monitors, and CD-ROM. Apple developed some specifications for SCSI controlers while IBM has no exact controller specifications {which results in added incompatibilities on IBM machines}. Main problem: there are a lot of external devices which are internal terminated which causes problems for more then two devises off the SCSI port {A SCSI chain is supposed to be terminated ONLY at the begining and at the end. Any other set up causes problems for either Mac or IBM}. SCSI-1: 7 devices per SCSI controller. 8-bit asynchronous {~1.5MB/s ave} and synchronous {5MB/s max} transfer base. 16-bit SCSI-1 requires a SCSI-2 controler chip and can provide only fast SCSI-2 not wide SCSI-2 which are both 16-bit interfaces {see SCSI-2}. SCSI-2: 10 devices per SCSI controller in SCSI-2 mode. SCSI-2 is fully SCSI-1 complient and tends to be implimented as a very fast SCSI-1 since it needs a different controller interface in both hardware {which tends to be very expendsive} and software. Transfer speeds are 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit}, 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst {16-bit}, and 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst {32-bit/wide and fast}. SCSI-2 in SCSI-1 mode is limited to 7 devices and reduced 8-bit or 16-bit {fast only} throughput due to the difference between SCSI-1 and wide SCSI-2 ports. IBM HD Interfaces {limited to hard drives by design or lack of development}: [...] IDE: Integrated Device Electronics currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for medium sized drives. Can have more than one hard drive. Asynchronous Transfer: ~5MB/s max. So at its LOWEST setting SCSI-2 interface in Asynchronous SCSI-1 mode AVERAGES the through put MAXIMUM of IDE in asynchronous mode. In full SCSI-2 mode it blows poor IDE out the window, down the street, and into the garbage can. The problem becomes can the drive mechanisim keep up with those through put rates and THAT is where the bottleneck and cost of SCSI-2 comes from. NOT the interface itself but more and more from drive mechanisims to use the SCSI-2 through put. The cost of SCSI interface is a self fulliling prophisy: few people buy SCSI because it is so expencive for the PC, which in turn convices makes that mass producing SCSI {which would reduce its cost} is unwarented, and so SCSI is expencive. {That is the effect of the Rule of Scale: the more items sold the less EACH item has to bare the brunt the cost of manufacture and so the less each item has to cost} SCSI-2 allows a drive mechanisims through put to be limited by the DRIVE while IDE itself limits the through put. ";-1;0 "From: al@escom.com (Al Donaldson) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Reply-To: al@escom.COM (Al Donaldson) Organization: ESCOM Corp., Oakton VA (USA) Distribution: na Lines: 16 amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some >effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in >the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, ... And if Richard Nixon had had this kind of toy, he wouldn't have had to send people into the Watergate. But that's not really the issue. The real issue is whether this will be used to justify a ban against individuals' use of private (i.e., anything else) encryption methods. Unrelated question...isn't the term ""Clipper,"" as neat as it is, already taken by Intergraph? Al ";-1;0 "From: kwyatt@ccscola.columbiasc.ncr.com (Kershner Wyatt) Subject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC Lines: 79 In article creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps) writes: >In article jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes: > > On Palm Sunday at our parish, we were ""invited"" to take the role of >Jesus in the Passion. I declined to participate. Last year at the >liturgy meeting I pointed out how we crucify Christ by our sins, so >therefore it is appropriate that we retain the role of the crowd, but >to no avail. > >>musicians, readers, and so on. New things are introduced in the course of the >>liturgy and since no one knows what's happening, the new things have to be >>explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we're just >>sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about >>to be done. In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay >>people to be aware of the Lord's presence. As a former Catholic and now as a very active Lutheran - it is some of the ""innovations"" of the Mass which made me leave the Catholic Church and return to the more traditional Catholic Chuch - the Lutherans. I spent many years as a Lector reading the Passion parts as appropriate in the Catholic Church and I found it very meaningful. Our Lutheran parish just instituted the ""Tenebrae"" service for Good Friday and I was the lector for a paraphrased Passion which was exceptional. I heard and learned things that I have previously overlooked in the Gospels - yet those ""facts"" were always there. As a matter of interest, the pastor and I were talking about the differences between the RC and Lutheran Church during Holy Week over breakfast Easter Sunday. > > As a member of a liturgy committee, I can tell you that the problem >is certain people dominating, who want to try out all kinds of >innovations. The priests don't seem even to _want_ to make any >decisions of their own in many cases. I guess it's easier to ""try >something new"" than it is to refuse to allow it. My wife is the member of the liturgy committee in the family (called music and worship at our church). Our pastor does have control of this committee but listens very carefully to the committee's suggestions. It needs a strong hand to lead and guide, to keep the intent and the message clear and strong as it should be through Lent and the rest of the liturgical year. Additional reason for my leaving the Catholic faith - lack of any selfless spiritual guidance by priests in my parishes. AKA ""wishy-washy"". As you may gather from my comments, I feel that it is very important, ir- regardless of denominational guidelines, to have a service/Mass which promotes the true reason that we are gathered there. I am quite comfortable in a traditional Mass, with receiving Holy Communion on the tongue, the Sacrament of PENANCE (not Reconciliation), Stations of the Cross, so on and so forth. The reason other types of Masses and parishes exist is because these feelings are not shared by everyone. I want more people to attend church and to find the Lord, but I don't want them attending a show. It's not. My church works hard to have a meaningful service during Lent on Wednesdays, but follow traditional Lutheran Book of Worship guidelines. Where things are changed or omitted during Lent (such as the Hymn of Praise) it is noted so that we are aware of the reasons that it is Not there. Quite frankly, it is very hard for a non-Catholic to go to a Mass and ""fit in"". My dear wife never could (former Methodist). And Holy Week Masses and Vigils would intimidate the daylights out of a non-Catholic. Those Catholics who have beared with me this far understand what I mean. Please keep in mind why we are there - to gather together in worship. Not to worry about how something is done or not done. If there is something wrong that you feel needs addressing, by all means talk to your priest or pastor. I have only ever met one who wouldn't listen. They are there to provide spiritual guidance and to help. Use them. My differences with the Catholic Church are much more fundamental - but my decision to change faiths was done with prayer, intervention, and sessions with priests and ministers. In Christ, Kershner -- Kershner Wyatt kwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com My opinions are my own and aren't necessarily my employer's. ";-1;0 "From: dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD) Subject: seizures ( infantile spasms ) Keywords: seizures epilepsy Reply-To: dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 32 The reason I'm posting this article to this newsgroup is to: 1. gather any information about this disorder from anyone who might have recently been *e*ffected by it ( from being associated with it or actually having this disorder ) and 2. help me find out where I can access any medical literature associated with seizures over the internet. Recently, I had a baby boy born with seizures which occured 12-15 hours after birth. He was immediately transferred to a major hospital in Boston and has since been undergoing extensive drug treatment for his condition. This has been a major learning experience for me and my wife not only in learning the medical problems that faced our son but also in dealing with hospitals, procedures...etc. I don't want to go into a lot of detail, but his condition was termed quite severe at first then slowly he began to grow and put on weight as a normal baby would. He was put on the standard anti-convulsion drugs and that did not seem to help out. His MRI, EKG, cat-scans are all normal, but the EEG's show alot of seizure activity. After many metabolic tests, body structure tests, and infection/virus tests the doctors still do not know quite what type of siezures he is having (although they do have alot of evidence that it is now pointing to infantile spasms ). This is where we stand right now.... If anyone knows of any database or newsgroup or as I mentioned up above, any information relating to this disorder I would sure appreciate hearing from you. I am not trying to play doctor here, but only trying to gather information about it. As I know now, these particular types of disorders are still not really well understood by the medical community, and so I'm going to see now....if somehow the internet can at least give me alittle insight. Thanks. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? From: Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 160 Dan Sorenson (viking@iastate.edu) writes: #In mcclary@netcom.com (Michael McClary) #writes: # Just thought I'd clear up a few of the murky areas... # #>Actually, after surviving being driven out of Nauvoo, and later Carthage, #>the Mormons DID fortify Utah. They still arm themselves to ""defend the #>faith"", and stockpile food as well. They have been involved in quite a #>lot of illegal activity - including multiple (and often underage) wives #>for the leaders - a practice still in vogue with some splinters of their #>sect. The parallels between Koresh and Joseph Smith are striking. # ^^^^^^^^^^^^ By ""they,"" you mean the leaders of the lds church? I grant you that when Joseph Smith was still alive, plenty of ""accusations"" were filed, most of which had little bearing with reality, as evidenced by various verdicts. I have studied lds history for 15 years now, and I have yet to see prove that the lds leadership was involved, in quote: ""illegal activities."" Plural marriage, yes, but your charge of ""underage"" wives sounds like it could have originated from a tabloid, and discredits the high moral standards which characterized these leaders and families, unlike, as it appears, those of David Koresh. # Joseph Smith started the sect. After he and his brother Hyram #were murdered in a Nauvoo, Il. jail cell, church membership split over #who to follow. Initially, Smith was considered a prophet (just like #Mohammed, a rather interesting parallel considering Muslims consider #Christ to be a prophet the same as Jews, I'm led to understand. Make #no mistake, this was no messiah we're talking about in Smith). The And neither did he claim he was. As the church reflects the moral aptitude of its leaders (and especially those of Joseph Smith), I have nothing but the highest respect for this inspired man, whose only ""crime"" was that he refused to deny that he had seen a vision... Many have tried to explain the ""Smith phenomenon"" away, but the bold presence of an 8.5 million member strong church stands as a witness that Joseph Smith's testimony had enough resilience and power to carry on the message. #thought at the time was that the gift of prophecy was to be handed #down father to son. After Joseph Smith died, his son was only #entering his teens. Brigham Young and a few others claimed to have #been bequeathed the gift and leadership prior to his death. The #Council of Twelve, the Church governing body, wasn't of much help #here, and this basic conflict is still a wedge between the sects. #Brigham Young took his followers to Salt Lake. The rest waited #for Smith Jr. to grow up enough to assume leadership. The other #claimants to the leadership were soon ignored, like Mike Dukakis. ;-) ""The rest"" were apostates and excommunicated members of the Church, while the great majority of the membership, the Twelve, and the various auxiliary organizations, chose to accept Brigham Young as the new prophet and leader of the Church. If you knew your lds scriptures and doctrine, you would have known that Brigham Young was the FIRST in line to fill the prophet Joseph Smith's vacancy: he was the senior apostle in the Quorum, and various comments made by Joseph indicated that it was Brigham who would lead the latter-day exodus to the West. Other rightful ""heirs"" were either dead (Hyrum Smith) or excommunicated (Oliver Cowdery), and while persecutions abounded and intensified, Joseph Smith had already given orders to look for a new place, an empty land beyond the boundaries of the United States (at that time). This ""Rekhabite"" principle (pseudographia) was well understood and antipated by the great majority of lds faithful, and was not questioned by them. Granted, a couple of ""do-it-yourselfers"" stayed behind, unwilling to sacrifice and to undertake the perilous journey to the unknown, but this also was necessary to separate the tares from the wheat. The church benefitted from this purification process: they became even more unified and willing to carry out their mission to the world. # Both sects practiced the ""1-year food stockpile"" doctrine, #and this being frontier and farming country most carried or at #least owned weapons. There is little evidence that they were a #militaristic sect, given that they tended to move on rather than #face large-scale opposition. Brigham Young, having suffered a #great deal getting to Salt Lake, seems to have been quite #justified in making military training a good thing. Remember, #this was far beyond where even the US Army went, and these people #had nobody to turn to save themselves. # # Just a little context to put this all in perspective. BTW, since when is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (one of the largest denominations in the country) a ""sect""??? It didn't ""splinter"" from any other religion, as did say, the Southern Baptists or Methodists. #>So what did the Mormons get? It seems that J. Edgar Hoover was very #>impressed with the way they kept secrets. (They're pledged to defend #>secrets with their lives and atone for sin with blood. Many actually #>do - even to the point of suicide.) What a balloney. Suicide is sinful and against the law of God. I am not comfortable with this alleged ""cosiness"" with Mammon: I assure you that *many* among us reject this attitude categorically. Period. Our ONLY true allegiance is to our God and to the leaders which He has appointed to represent Him. In any regard, to read this TRASH (about suicide and ""atone for sins with blood"") is yet another insulting misrepresentation of what my church believes in and stands for... # # The RLDS, the Reorganized LDS, are friendly rivals of the LDS #and delight in telling stories about them, which generates quick retorts #from the LDS members and everybody has a grand time. At no time have #I ever even heard this hinted at. I'm taking it with a salt block. Make it a really big salt mountain with a glacier on top. #> So he hired virtually no one but #>Mormons, until the FBI was almost exclusively staffed by members of the #>Church of Later Day Saints. Though J. Edgar is finally gone, the FBI #>personnel (especially the field agents) are still heavily Mormon. #>I have often wondered how this might affect the FBI's treatment #>of religious organizations a Mormon would consider heretical. Preposterous. Even if this were true (reliable data, please), I am convinced that those officers would perform to the highest codes of honor and conduct (that's why they were selected for in the first place, remember?). Besides, one of our Articles of Faith STRONGLY states the principle of freedom of religion, and that all people are free to worship ""*how*, *where*, or *what* they may."" # If it's true, there would be little affect. LDS and RLDS #philosophy is that all other religions have strayed from the true #Church as set down by Jesus, but that God will judge each on his #own merits. In addition, the RLDS also contend (and the LDS may #as well) that ignorance of the True Way (tm) is an excuse. You #can only be condemned if you had been tought the way and rejected #it. In short, LDS and RLDS suffer everybody from Lutherans to #Buddhists, secure in the knowledge that though they are wrong they #will not be penalized for ignorance. It is more likely that Hoover #liked them because of their rather strict upbringings which forbade #alcohol, tobacco, hot drink (like coffee or tea), and the like. #These people are the ""salt of the Earth"" and as such are more #easily made to follow orders and have few vices to be used against them. A good explanation, I can accept that. You are right that lds people are sometimes a little too cosy with Mammon's ""orders"" (the late president Kimball, for example, was an exception with his strong opposition of the selection of the MX ""Peace Keeper"" missile maze in Utah). # That's my somewhat educated guess, anyway. Both sects have #splinter groups that don't mirror the masses, but these are small #and rare, and hardly worth noting their common ancestry. # # None of this has any relevance to guns, though. When a #man's religion is used to deny him the right of self-protection with #the weapons suitable for the job, he'll find an ally in me. # #< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > #< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > #< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > #< unusual people. And flame them. > Casper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu UCS Computer Facilities ";-1;0 "From: joachim@kih.no (joachim lous) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Kongsberg Ingeniorhogskole Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: samson.kih.no X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] ulrich@galki.toppoint.de wrote: > According to the TIFF 5.0 Specification, the TIFF ""version number"" > (bytes 2-3) 42 has been chosen for its ""deep philosophical > significance"". > When I first read this, I rotfl. Finally some philosphy in a technical > spec. But still I wondered what makes 42 so significant. > Last week, I read the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, and rotfl the > second time. (After millions of years of calculation, the second-best > computer of all time reveals that 42 is the answer to the question > about life, the universe and everything) > Is this actually how they picked the number 42? Yes. > Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from? I don't know where Douglas Adams took it from, but I'm pretty sure he's the one who launched it (in the Guide). Since then it's been showing up all over the place. _______________________________ / _ L* / _ / . / _ /_ ""One thing is for sure: The sheep / _) /()(/(/)//)) /_ ()(/_) / / Is NOT a creature of the earth."" / \_)~ (/ Joachim@kih.no / / /_______________________________/ / -The back-masking on 'Haaden II' /_______________________________/ from 'Exposure' by Robert Fripp. ";-1;0 "From: gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) Subject: New to Motorcycles... Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD Lines: 39 Hello everyone. I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please. I don't have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information: 1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too ignorant to know I need to buy) 2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes a difference) 3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it? 4) In DC, as I imagine it is in every other state (OK, OK, we're not a state - we're not bitter ;)), you take the written test first and then get a learners permit. However, I'm wondering how one goes about learning to ride the bike proficiently enough so as to a) get a liscence and b) not kill oneself. I don't know anyone with a bike who could teach me, and the most advice I've heard is either ""do you live near a field"" or ""do you have a friend with a pickup truck"", the answers to both of which are NO. Do I just ride around my neighborhood and hope for the best? I kind of live in a residential area but it's not suburbs. It's still the big city and I'm about a mile from downtown so that doesn't seem too viable. Any stories on how you all learned? Thanks for any replies in advance. -Greg Humphreys :wq ^^^ Meant to do that. (Damn autoindent) -- Greg Humphreys | ""This must be Thursday. I never National Institutes of Health| could get the hang of Thursdays."" gregh@alw.nih.gov | (301) 402-1817 | -Arthur Dent ";-1;0 "From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu Subject: re: Mo Sanford Article-I.D.: ra.1993Apr6.173224.13148 Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: ur117.ur.msstate.edu In article <1993Apr3.045040.10480@ra.msstate.edu> js1@jazz.cc.msstate.edu (Jiann-ming Su) writes: >Does any know if Mo Sanford, Rockies pitcher, got cut? He use to be with the` >Reds, but was drafted in the expansion draft. > I believe he was sent down to AAA. ";-1;0 "From: cherylm@hplsla.hp.com (Cheryl Marks) Subject: Re: Omar Vizquel - GRAND SALAMI? Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 20 Do you think Omar's grand slam is the result of his new fan club? Last week a banner appeared in the Kingdome: OLDER WOMEN FOR OMAR Cheryl ***************************************************************************** * * Cheryl Marks * HP-UX Address: cherylm@lsid.hp.com HP Desk: CHERYL MARKS/HPA100 * Telenet: 1-335-2193 Ma Bell: (206) 335-2193 * USPS: Cheryl Marks * MS 330 * 8600 Soper Hill Road * Everett, WA 98205-1298 * * ""Too much of a good thing is wonderful."" Mae West * ***************************************************************************** ";14;1 "From: kilty@ucrengr (kathleen richards) Subject: Re: Lyme vaccine Reply-To: karicha@eis.calstate.edu Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: ucrengr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Jeff, If you have time to type it in I'd love to have the reference for that paper! thanks! -- kathleen richards email: karicha@eis.calstate.edu ~Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!~ -dire straits ";-1;0 "From: moy@cae.wisc.edu (Howard Moy) Subject: How to fix Word subscript spacing? Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 14 Hi, I have a problem when using subscripts with MSWord. The problem is the subscripted characters get cut off on the display, but print out ok. Anyone know how to fix the subscripts so I can see them on the screen? Many thanks, -- -Howard _________________________________________________________ ! Howard Moy ! ! (608) 255-6379 ! ";6;1 "From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug Distribution: na Lines: 104 rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: >In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: >>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American >>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of > >Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN >CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. >It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals >to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. The Supreme Court seems to disagree with you -- they have stated that ""the people"" is a term of art refering to an individual right, and have explicitly mentioned the second amendment as an example. I quote: ""... 'the people' seems to have been a term of art employed in select parts of the Constitution. The Preamble declares that the Constitution is ordained, and established by 'the people of the the U.S.' The Second Amendment protects the right of the people to keep and bear Arms ...."" - Supreme Court of the U.S., U.S. v. Uerdugo-Uriquidez (1990). Furthermore, in the Miller decision, they only permitted prosecution for possession of a sawed-off shotgun because the defense had not presented testimony and they therefore accepted the argument of the government that such weapons have no military value -- they held that the amendment protected the individual right to possess military weapons. Unfortunately, no second amendment case has successfully gotten to the court in fifty years. However, that does not change the interpretation. Furthermore, it appears that others disagree with you as well, vis: ""The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratifi- cation, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner."" - Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th Congress, Second Session ( February 1982 ) You might rightfully ask ""well then, what does that first bit about militias mean?"" Well, ""militia"" in historical context basically means the whole of the adult males of the country. (Indeed, the U.S. Code still defines ""militia"" as all armed men over the age of 17). ""The Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense .... And ... these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time."" - Supreme Court of the United States, U.S. v. Miller (1939). The reason for the phrase being there was to explain the rationale behind the amendment, which was this: by depending on the people to bear arms in defense of the country, no centralization of military power could ever occur which would permit tyranny -- in short, the government would remain perpetually in fear of the people, rather than the other way around. ""No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."" - Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, June 1776 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C. J. Boyd, Ed., 1950). ""And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance ? Let them take arms ... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."" - Thomas Jefferson (letter to William S. Smith, 1787, in Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover, ed., 1939). ""Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States."" - Noah Webster, ""An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution"" (1787), in Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States (P. Ford, 1888). You may disagree with the second amendment, and wish that it be repealed, but please do not pretend that it isn't there and that it doesn't mean what it says. You might argue that conditions have changed and that it should no longer be present, but you can't imagine it away. I could fill a book with detailed argumentation. Many have already. However, none of this has anything to do with cryptography. Lets get it out of here. If you insist on discussing this, please do it in talk.politics.guns, where people will gladly discuss this matter with you. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. ";-1;0 "From: ddr@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Donald D Rice) Subject: Heavy-duty antenna simulation software Nntp-Posting-Host: flux.isr.alaska.edu Organization: Geophysical Institute, Fairbanks, AK Lines: 21 I would be interested in hearing from anyone who knows of good software for antenna simulation, particularly in source form suitable for Unix workstations (though good PC software would also be of interest). I'm aware of the numerous mininec mutations, and have been using MN for some time now. I'm primarily interested in HF, VHF, and low UHF (< 500 MHz) designs, mostly wire antennas, but for thick wires and mesh surfaces as well as for your basic thin wire assumption. Is anything interesting happening with NEC itself? I've seen a version that was mutilated to run (sort of) under Microsoft Fortran, but I'm not sure how many ""new and improved"" versions of the code might be out there somewhere. I'd also be interested in non-NEC derivatives. The ones I've seen have been aimed at microwave applications, but if there is something out there useful at the lower frequencies, I'd like to know about it. Thanks, -- Don Rice E-mail: ddr@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Internet) Geophysical Institute fnddr@alaska (BITNET) University of Alaska flux::ddr (SPAN) Fairbanks, AK 99775 Phone: (907) 474-7569 Loran: 64.86N 212.16E ";-1;0 "From: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Reply-To: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 81 In article <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu>, mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes: > From article <1993Apr15.092101@IASTATE.EDU>, by tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan): > > Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks > > who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to > > believe for somebody trying to be objective. > > When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot > > blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. > > What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? > > Do you think it was your right to be there? > > There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor until 1923. > Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? > > > I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only > > not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. > > It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. > > I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the > > visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it > > was a positive attempt to make the relations better. > > > Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in > Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial > waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of > Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean. > > There are some things on which there can not be a compromise. > > > > The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated > > people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person > > because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is > > not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals > > why the hatred? > > Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment directly or > indirecly is a ""bad"" person. > It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support of the > actions of your goverment that make you ""bad"". > People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you > are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and > as a such you must pay the price. > > > So that makes me think that there is some kind of > > brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person > > treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your > > history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish > > encounters during your schooling. > > take it easy! > > > > -- > > Tankut Atan > > tankut@iastate.edu > > > > ""Achtung, baby!"" > > You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks. Just talk to > Greeks, Arabs, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had the luck to be under > Turkish occupation. > They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction. > > You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about them from > people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness. > > Napoleon Well, Napoleon. It is your kind of people who are preventing peace on the world. First of all, you didn't answer the question I asked at the end of my posting. And then you told me some bullshit throughout your posting which had no positive point about the issue, filled with hatred, and filled with emotions. Why am I doing this? Forget it, I don't think you are worth it to discuss the issue. -- Tankut Atan tankut@iastate.edu ""Achtung, baby!"" ";-1;0 "From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology Lines: 20 In article gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca (The GIF Emporium) writes: [stuff deleted] >a while. That is the only thing that is making me lean more in favor >of the NEC 5FG (or now also available the NEC 5FGe - only difference, >no ACCUCOLOR ). Any experiences or opinions from people who have used Not only do you lose AccuColor, you also had to give up 1280x1024 non-interlaced mode, the wider 135 Mhz bandwidth and the Mac and BNC inputs of the 5FG. Personally I am not bothered at all by the two lines in trinitron tube. > Tony Gerardis @ McGill University - Computer Science +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Stephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii don't have my own account until grad. school starts (autumn 93) + Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! + ";-1;0 "From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Griffin / Office of Exploration: RIP Article-I.D.: news.C51r3o.9wK Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes: >Any comments on the absorbtion of the Office of Exploration into the >Office of Space Sciences and the reassignment of Griffin to the ""Chief >Engineer"" position? Is this just a meaningless administrative >shuffle, or does this bode ill for SEI? Unfortunately, things have been boding ill (is that a legitimate conjugation?) for a while. While the Office of Exploration had some great ideas, they never got much money. I've heard good things about Griffin, but it's hard to want him back in a job where he couldn't do anything. >Does anyone know what his new duties will be? The group examining the Freedom-based space station redesign proposals is headed by Michael Griffin, ""NASA's cheif engineer"" in the words of Space News. I believe this is him. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Tout ce qu'un homme est capable d'imaginer, d'autres hommes seront capable de la realiser"" -Jules Verne ";-1;0 "From: C599143@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Matthew Q Keeler de la Mancha) Subject: Infant Immune Development Question Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 10 As an animal science student, I know that a number of animals transfer immunoglobin to thier young through thier milk. In fact, a calf _must_ have a sufficient amount of colostrum (early milk) within 12 hours to effectively develop the immune system, since for the first (less than) 24 hours the intestines are ""open"" to the IG passage. My question is, does this apply to human infants to any degree? Thanks for your time responding, Matthew Keeler c599143@mizzou1.missouri.edu ";4;1 "Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Distribution: usa <93103.170753U28037@uic <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu> Lines: 73 In article <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) says: > [stuff deleted. all mine] >Define ""armed better"". Go shoot a revolver and a semi-auto like the >Colt .45. Does one fires faster than the other? Nope. Aside from which >faster rate of fire is usually not desirable. Sure it makes the other >guys duck for cover, but just *YOU* trying hitting anything with a Thompson >in hose-mode. This is why the military is limiting it's M-16 now to Aw come on. It worked great in the 1920's (or the movie version of the '20s anyways) :-) >3-round burst-fire. Simple semi-auto would be better, but the troops >like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo (something >often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful). > >A revolver is equally capable as a semi-auto in the same caliber. > [stuff deleted about how revolvers are just as good as semi-autos] All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as I am not really familiar enough with handguns. >Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly >switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having >accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks >require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex >as the timer on a VCR. Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. > >Anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun >the police don't know nothing about firearms. Turn off COPS and Hunter >and pay attention. I do not seek here to say ""semi-autos are junk"" >merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid. A cop >with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than >equipped for anything short of a riot. > Actually I don't watch those shows :-) And you're right (at least partially). I don't know much about handguns. I'm more familiar with rifles. >Gun control is hitting what you aim at. If you whip out a >wonder-nine and fire real fast you may find you don't hit anything. >Good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit. >I own a 9mm Beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon >to something like the Ruger Security Six revolver. If I haven't hit >what I'm aiming at in the first 5 shots, something is quite seriously >wrong somewheres. While I might like having the backup capacity of those >extra shots in certain cases, overwhelmingly the # of shots fired in >criminal encounters is less than 5. > >What do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime? Why the same nice simple >.38 revolvers that the police often use. Well actually some police >prefer the much heftier .357 Magnum, but anyway..... > >ObPlea: Don't flame me, I prefer semi-autos for most things. But they > introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve-wracking > as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal. > >-- >""If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."" > -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX. No flames here. All your points are well taken. Guess I still have a lot to learn but thanks to this discussion I already am :-) Guess I assume too many things like more bullets are better and that sort of thing. Of course you know what happens when you assume ......... :-) Jason ";-1;0 "From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan Lines: 31 In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Anas Omran writes: [ANAS] There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report [ANAS] on the situation in the O.T. But, as most people used to see on TV, the [ANAS] Israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the O.T. The Israelis [ANAS] used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. [ANAS] So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine. [ANAS] They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in [ANAS] Palestine. Bring me one case where Israeli Soldiers deliberately killed a ""neutral reporter"". This is another one of your wet dreams. Unlike many countries, Israel does allow reporters in and out of the O.T. That is what the problem is. If Israel were a country like China, then nothing would transpire from what is happening in the O.T. But there seems to be a proliferation of journalists in Israel always trying to show how evil the Israeli monster is. Arab countries don't allow journalists anywhere, we have yet to hear about the massacres of Kurds, the destruction and annihilation of Hama, the killings of moslem fundamentalists in mosques in Egypt and Algeria etc... Why is it we only get state reports? How accurate are they? Anas, go give a lesson of freedom of speech to your Arab bretheren before telling us what to do. Tsiel -- ----8<--------------------------------------------------------------->8------ Tsiel:ohayon@jcpl.co.jp | If you do not receive this E-mail, please let me Employer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible. opinions, if any ! | Two percent of zero is almost nothing. ";15;1 "From: khalsa@spartanSanDiego.NCR.com (G.K. Khalsa) Subject: Re: Options that would be great to have... Reply-To: g.k.khalsa@sandiego.ncr.com Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA Lines: 36 In article <93Apr16.185510.36600@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: > > > > A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing > options on a car, or things you'd like to have... > > 1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of > mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge... > > 2) Full size spare > > 3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors. > > 4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with > the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment > and cabin. > > Feel free to add on... OK... 5) How about a fuel gauge that *really* told you how much fuel was left. Like, ""can I make it to where the gas is $1.14 or should I get gouged right here at $1.35?"" Accurate to the tenth of a gallon would be great. ............................................................... | | On Contract To: | | GK Khalsa | NCR Engineering and Manufacturing | |....................| 16550 W. Bernardo Dr. | | (619) 485-2460 | San Diego, CA 92127 | !....................!........................................! !.................g.k.khalsa@sandiego.ncr.com.................! ";-1;0 "From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng) Subject: Re: hard times investments was: (no subject given) Article-I.D.: news.C52t8L.5CH Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois Lines: 10 Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu In article <1938@tecsun1.tec.army.mil>, riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) writes: > My mother-in-law, who grew up in Germany, doesn't believe in >money at all. She started out as a real estate developer, and now raises >horses. She keeps telling me that inflation is coming back, and to lock >in my fixed rate mortgage as low as possible. If time is really hard, can a bank selectively call in some mortgage loans early? What if the bank folds, can its creditors call in the loans? ";-1;0 "From: gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu) Subject: Re: Need video drivers for Tseng True-color Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 26 Tony G. Wu (gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw) wrote: > Hello. > I purchased a video card called ET-4000 true color card which > can provide about 1700K colors. But the question is I can't find > the corresponding drivers for windows 3.1 , I am now using 65k > colors driver for win31. It works fine , but I think it will be > better if I use 1700k driver. So, please tell me whether such a > driver is available ! > Thanks in advance. I am sorry. My card can display about 17000K colors not 1700K colors. I hope some one could answer my question ! Thanks. -- ===================== ( Forever 23, Michael Jordan.) ===================== Tony G. Wu gtonwu@uz.nthu.edu.tw CAE/Rheology Lab. NTHU. tony@che.nthu.edu.tw ";-1;0 "From: MCAVALCANTI%VORTEX.UFRGS.BR@UICVM.UIC.EDU Subject: DTP Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Please Ineed information about desk top publishe- post graduate courses and if possible email address or normal mail. thanks in advance ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr19.165717.25790@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: > > It is true what you stated above: Jesus' saving grace is available to > everyone, not just Jews. In other words, everyone can have salvation but > not everyone will. This option is now open to people other than just > Jews. Of course, if the Jews don't accept the deity of Christ, I would > hardly expect them to accept anything that Christ said. But I don't feel > any animosity towards them. Even though they persecuted Jesus and his > disciples and eventually crucified Him, I bear them no ill will. If anything, > I feel pity for them. Jesus had to die to pay the price for our sins and > so the Jews were merely fulfilling prophesy. Jesus knew He had to die even > before He began His ministry. That demonstrates the great depth of His love > for us. Jesus certainly demonstrated the great depth of his love for the children who died today at the Davidian complex. Sorry, but the events today made me even more negative concering organized religion. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: kelleyb@austin.ibm.com (Kelley Boylan) Subject: Re: Screen Death: Mac Plus/512 Originator: kelleyb@kelleyb.austin.ibm.com Reply-To: kelleyb@austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin, PowerPC Lines: 29 > I have a (very old) Mac 512k and a Mac Plus, both of which > have the same problem. > Their screens blank out, sometimes after a minor physical jolt > (such as inserting a floppy in the internal drive), sometimes > all by themselves (computer left to itself just goes blank). > > I have replaced the wires connecting the logic boards and the > video board, because it seemed at first that jiggling the wires > made the screen come back on. This worked for a while, but the > blanking out has returned. > > Can I do anything? Do I need a new power supply? A new CRT? > A new computer? I had the same problem with my 512 a long time ago. Resoldering the joints on the motherboard (all of them) fixed it. Turns out that continuous heating and cooling caused annular (ring-shaped) cracks to develop in the solder, effectively cutting the video circuitry off. If you're not a solder-jockey you might want to have someone else do it -- I took mine to an electrical engineer buddy -- but it was a 20-minute job, tops. -Kelley- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Kelley Boylan, PowerPC, IBM Austin, kelleyb@austin.ibm.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- I buy and pay for my own opinions ";-1;0 "From: cliff@buster.stafford.tx.us (Cliff Tomplait) Subject: Re: sex problem. Organization: Buster irby Lines: 34 ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet (larry silverberg) writes: >I have question that I hope is taken seriously, despite the subject content. >Problem: My long time girlfriend lately has not been initiating any sexual > activity. For the last four months things have changed dramatically. > ... > --to make this shorter-- Summary: nothing that I can think of has > changed.... > ... >She suggested we go to a sex counselor, but I really don't want to (just yet). >Any suggestions would be appreciated. >If you think you can help me, please contact me by e-mail for further info. >PLEASE serious replies only. >Thanks, Larry Larry: The subject content IS serious; as is the question. On one hand you state that ""things have changed dramatically"" but, at the same time nothing you ""can think of has changed"". Your girlfriend seems to want to see a counselor, but you don't. I'd recommend that you examine your hesitation to see a counselor. It's a very good environment to examine issues. The fact of the matter is: your girlfriend has a different perception than you. The TWO of you need to address the issue in order to resolve it. Please consider going to a counselor with your girlfriend. What could it possibly hurt? Cliff (the paramedic) ";-1;0 "Subject: HELP: is my monitor dying??? From: edwin@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Edwin Ng) Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand. Lines: 25 Hi. Recently my svga monitor has been acting up by taking about 3 minutes to warm up. Previously, when I first start up my PC I can see all the CMOS messages (RAM test ...etc) but now I've got to wait for about 3min before the display shows anything and it starts up with a bright white flash. This only happens when the system has been off for a long time (eg overnight). If it was only off for a couple of hours and then turned on again, the display works as normal like before. Does anyone know what is causing this? Is it a warning that it will give up soon or just signs of aging (the system is a 386sx and its about 3 yrs old). I've used systems at work for years and never seen this happen to a monitor yet. I'd really appreciated any help that you fellow netters can offer. Thanks a lot. Edwin -- ----------------------------------------------------- * Edwin Ng (edwin@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz) * * E&E Engineering, University of Auckland * * Private Bag 92019, Auckland, NEW ZEALAND * ";-1;0 "From: CROSEN1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Charles Rosen) Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Nntp-Posting-Host: ua1vm.ua.edu Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa Lines: 61 In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: >Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. > >For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game, > >With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed >hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers. > >Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts >lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis >Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell >is he thinking. > For your information, Lankford is injured (I think it is his shoulder or rib cage), so he could not use him as a pinch hitter. >Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented >how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a >regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said >he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year, >what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every >team in the league. > I do believe that Whiten was a very good aquisition for the Cards. He does not have too much offensive capabilities, but he is an awesome defensively. Since when have the Cardnials actually thought of offense instead of defense?:) I forgot who St. Louis gave up for him, but it was not too much. As far as Gilkey is concerned, he is a leftfielder and so is Brian Jordan, who beat him out. I expect to see a Gilkey/Jordan platoon in LF. >Furthermore, in Sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate, >The replay showed Bucky Dent the third base coach looking down the line >and waving lankford home, > I agree with you on this one. As soon as Larkin threw that ball, I knew that Lankford was a dead bird. But how could Dent have known that Larkin would make a perfect throw? I strongly believe that Torre is one of the best managers in baseball. Don't forget the overachieving Cards of '91 that won all those close games and went from last place to second place (although they were oveshadowed by the Braves/ Twins last to first climb). He won a division title, and barely lost a pennant race when he was with the Braves (why Atlanta ever even considered firing him I will never understand). With Torre at the controls, the Cardinals are heading in the right direction. One more thing, one game does not make a season. Yes, they lost to the Reds, but with the second best pitching staff in the National League (first in the East), and a pretty good offense, the Redbirds will win a lot more than they lose. Maybe this is the year that they will go all the way. Charles, a very enthusiastic Cardnials fan ----------------------------------------------------------------- º Charles Rosen º THIRTY-FOUR TO THIRTEEN!!! º º University of Alabama º NATIONAL CHAMPS!!! ROLL TIDE!!! º º Tuscaloosa, AL º (Need I Say More?) º ----------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) Subject: Re: Flashing anyone? Keywords: flashing Organization: Xerox In <1993Apr15.123539.2228@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes: >Hello all, >On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals >flash). Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of >tolls one must pay on route. Just before arriving at a toll booth I >switch the hazards on. I do thisto warn other motorists that I will >be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction. >Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making >transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the >average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll. >I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and >usually go to another booth. >My question, is this a good/bad thing to do? >Any others tend to do the same? >Just curious >o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> > Rob Castro | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today > 1983 KZ550LTD | phone - (212) 854-7617 | For today you live! > DoD# NYC-1 | New York, New York, USA | RC (tm) Beleive it or not: NY state once considered eliminating tolls for motor- cycles based simply on the fact that motos clog up toll booths. But then Mario realized the foolishness of trading a few hundred K $`s a year for some relief in traffic congestion. Too bad he won`t take that Sumpreme Court Justice job - I thought we might be rid of him forever. -- --Matt Dennie Internet: mmd.wbst207v@xerox.com Xerox Corporation, Rochester, NY (USA) ""Reaching consensus in a group often is confused with finding the right answer."" -- Norman Maier ";-1;0 "From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Keywords: Hall of Fame, Winfield, Kingman, Murray, Joe Lundy, :-) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: na Lines: 15 I'm no Kingman fan. Just thought I'd point out that he's the only player in history to have five three-HR games. Joe Carter has four. Eddie Murray three. McCovey and Gehrig also three. Ruth, Mays, Foxx and Dawson two each. I don't think Reggie's WS game counts, else I believe he would also have had two. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com ";-1;0 "From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck) Subject: Daily Verse Lines: 4 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you. Romans 16:20 ";17;1 "From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Looking to buy Dodge Stealth, have questions Keywords: questions Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.041810.17295 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 88 In article <1993Apr5.203719@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.030031.15691@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: >|> In article <1993Apr1.104746@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: > > I found a Mopar spec sheet this weekend: > > model wgt hp > Stealth 3086 164 > Stealth ES 3186 222 > Stealth RT 3373 222 > Stealth RT TT 3803 300 > > Okay, I'll take ""their"" word for it. These arethe numbers I have been stating in the past 5-10 messages. It really angers me that you insisted you were right, and that you had no clue what your own car weighed. Why didn't you check when I first told you that your figures were implausible? > > >> I am giving every chance to retract figures widely known. The Mustang is >> rated at 205. 222-205 is 17. You have a 17hp advantage over a Mustang > > Seems that the 1993 Mustang 5.0 is rated at 205 hp ONLY because Ford > changed its testing procedures. Under the older procedures, it still > rates closer to 225 hp. That means that the Mustang has 3 hp more. > I'd like to hear a better explanatin of how you come to that conclusion from the above data. > >> Big threat. You are KO'd by a Civic, acording to C+D > > Yeah, sure, in your wet dreams. And that's probably where you got No, sorry your wrong again. *You* quoted the del Sol as doing 0-60 in 8.1 according to C+D. Interestingly, the Stealth ES, which is *faster* than your RT does the samerun in 8.5 seconds according to C+D. Kind of embarassing isn't it? Why didn't you check the figures before posting? It only makes you look stupid when you are caught out twice with *your own* figures. > that 11.2 second 0-60 for the Stealth. > > >>> I'll check C&D's 5/91 issue. Strange that you claim to have that You really should have checked. >> >> Go ahead and check asshole, you'll realize what an idiot you are for not >> checking data beforeposting. Car+ Drive, may 91. Stealth ES, 222hp, >> automatic. > > For 3 posts now you've been harping on this May 1991 issue of Car & Driver *2* > without posting any numbers. Why not? Because they prove me right and you > ain't got the guts to admit it? Yeah, thought so. > If you insist, I gave you every chance to retract, but: Dodge Stealth ES Auto does an 8.5/16.4 - Wonder why you couldn't find it? Do you realize that a 9k Sentra (C+D) will run a 16.7, that a Sentra SE-R or Saturn will run in the 15's? Don't you think it is kind of strange that your 222hp sports car is so easily beaten. A Mustang 5.0, which weights about the same (according to *your* numbers), has less power and is much quicker? Care to explain. Don't be abusive, just try and come up with a rational explanation of where those 222hp went to, its a mystery to me. >> The Sentra SE-R really is alot quicker than the 222hp FWD Sports car. >> You are close to the 9k sentra-e. Go look up the numbers in C+D - and >> report please. > > No, I'm going to play your game - > > No way, Sentra's are SLOW! I took a test drive and it took > 21.7 to go 0-50! Why, even the Hyundai Excel blows it doors I guess you drove a 5 speed and couldn't shift/ Craig ";-1;0 "From: daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 12 Distribution: usa Reply-To: daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) NNTP-Posting-Host: l130b7.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu > they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next > year with all new models. Junk? They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and acceleration. They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class leader. You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4 turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K. ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: tuberculosis Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20 In article <1993Mar25.020646.852@news.columbia.edu> jhl14@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan H. Lin) writes: >I was wondering what steps are being taken to prevent the spread of >multi-drug resistant tuberculosis. I've heard that some places are >thinking of incarcerating those with the disease. Doesn't this violate >the civil rights of these individuals? Are there any legal precedents >for such action? > Who knows in this legal climate, but there is tremendous legal precendent for forcibly quarantining TB patients in sanitariums. 100 yrs ago it was done all the time. It has been done sporadically all along in patients who won't take their medicine. If you have TB you may find yourself under surveilence of the Public Health Department and you may find they have the legal power to insist you make your clinic visits. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";4;1 "From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: Where do U look?? Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr2.170955.1749@cmkrnl.com>, jeh@cmkrnl.com writes: |> I might add that collecting last year's data books (or even ones two years out |> of date) is usually pretty cheap, and has benefits besides: You usually DON'T |> want to base a design on a brand-new chip. There may be bugs; availability may |> be limited; the data sheets may be missing critical information that will show |> up in the ap notes in next year's data books. Kinda like buying Version 1.0 of |> a major new software package: Sometimes you get lucky, but don't count on it. There are two more reasons to save old databooks and then beyond two years--obsoleted parts and better application notes and tutorials. When a part is dropped from future production planning, such as the National MM-series white noise generators, camera sync generators, etc., it will disappear from current databooks although it still may be produced for a short time (or be available from stock somewhere). Now, if you have some old plans calling for such a device, or you have a dead gadget on your workbench and it has such a part in it, you'll know the functions so you can troubleshoot and substitute as necessary. The old GE thyristor data books contain real good tutorials on SCR and triac applications that are not found elsewhere, for example. |> > In summary, read. READ! ****READ!!!**** That's how you'll know what to |> > design in, which parts to use, and how to solve the intractable problem |> > that your boss has presented you with. |> |> It helps to have a prodigous memory for details... Here, here!... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) ";-1;0 "From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Allah Akbar and Praise the Lord. Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 15 Maddi Hausmann (madhaus@netcom.com) wrote: : : And thank the Lord that Bill Connor has returned to set : us straight! Now I know I can die happy when my Lexus : SE400 wipes out on that rain-slick curve in 1997. The : rest of you had best straighten up, because your time : is even more limited. Most of you are going in the Flu : of 1994. Maddi, You know you're glad to have me visit ... But I won't stay long this time, just shopping around. Bill ";-1;0 "From: pbenson@ecst.csuchico.edu (Paul A. Benson) Subject: CD-ROM Indexes available Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu The file and contents listings for: Knowledge Media Resource Library: Graphics 1 Knowledge Media Resource Library: Audio 1 are now available for anonymous FTP from cdrom.com ";-1;0 "From: rued@daimi.aau.dk (Thomas Rued J|rgensen) Subject: Re: .SCF files, help needed Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark Lines: 15 tlc@cx5.com writes: >Second problem: I can't find any graphics program that will open and display >these files. I have a couple of image conversion programs, none mention .scf >files. RIX's files with the extension .sci and .scf are just a RAW file with a 256 color palette. The first 10 bytes is a kind of header, with the name RIX among 7bytes unknown stuff. The you have 768 bytes of palette info (3*256 for the colors RGB) and then you have the picture in raw format. If you dont know how to make a viewer of of this description you can get VPIC it is able to read the files! regards Thomas ";-1;0 "From: gtewing@unix2.tcd.ie (Gregory T. Ewing) Subject: Gamecards Summary: Gamecards Keywords: Gamecards Nntp-Posting-Host: unix2.tcd.ie Organization: Trinity College, Dublin Lines: 15 I own an 80386sx, 16Mhz, 2Mb ram machine and am finding it too slow for certain games such as X-wing. I was in a Computer store there the other day and saw a series of Gamecards which claim to speed up your machine to up to 80Mhz! I was wondering if anyone out there who has a similar machine had bought one or seen one of these Gamecards and whether or not they do actually work! Any help here would be much appreciated, Thanks in advance, Greg. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | When a man lies he murders some part of the world..................| | or does he....?.......EGGMAN...............| ";-1;0 "From: mjhill@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL JAMES HILL) Subject: New applications of electronics Originator: mjhill@c00483-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: mjhill@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL JAMES HILL) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 8 I'm looking for brief information on new applications of electronics (or new electronics in applications.) If you know of any interesting new stuff, I would be intrested in hearing about it. Thanks, MJH ";-1;0 "From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Summary: Ultimately, ideas come from exploration and informal thinking. Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT Lines: 65 In article sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: > >In article <1993Apr16.155919.28040@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: > >|> Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial >|> thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use >|> unless they make you do some experiments. .... >|> >|> (Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA >|> electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, ..... > >But why do you characterize this as a ""flight of fancy"" or a ""fantasy""? >While I am unfamiliar with the scientific context here, it appears obvious >that his speculation (for lack of a better or more neutral word) was >at least in significant part a consequence of his knowledge of and acceptance >of current theory coupled with his observations. It would appear that >something quite rational was going on as he attempted to fit his observation >into that theory (or to tailor the theory to cover the observation). ... Whether a scientific idea comes while one is staring out the window, or dreaming, or having a fantasy, or watching an apple fall (Newton), or sitting in a bath (Archimedes) ... it is ultimately the result of a lot of intense scientific thinking done beforehand. Letting one's mind roam freely and giving rein to one's intuition can be a useful way of coming up with new ideas, but only when one has done a lot of rational analysis of the problem first. Scientific intuition is not something one is born with. It is something that one learns. Maybe we don't understand completely how it is learned, but training in systematic scientific thinking is certainly one of the key elements in developing it. Informal exploration is also often an important element in finding new scientific ideas. One thinks, for instance, of Darwin's naturalistic studies in the Galapagos islands, which led him to the ideas for the theory of evolution. This is why I am offended by a definition of science that emphasizes empirical verification and does not recognize thinking and informal exploration as important scientific work. I agree that mere speculation does not deserve to be called science. I also think that mere empirical studies not directed by good scientific thinking are at best a very poor kind of science. In article <1qk92lINNl55@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: > ... >I think that Lee Lady and I are talking at cross purposes. > ... Lady seems concerned with the contrast between great >science that makes big advances in our knowledge and mediocre >science that makes smaller steps. In most of this thread, I have >been concerned with the difference between what is science and >what is not. I don't think that science should be defined in a way that some of the activities that lead to really important science --- namely thinking and informal exploration --- are not recognized as scientific work. -- In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet ";-1;0 "From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) Subject: My predictions Nntp-Posting-Host: gibson.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 79 Smythe Division --------------- Vancouver vs. Winnipeg - Jets in 7 The Jets have played the Canucks tough the last three games. Everyone is healthy for the Jets. I'm biased. :) Calgary vs. Los Angeles - Flames in 6 From what I have seen, the Kings have looked flat lately. I just can't see them getting by the Flames. Final- Jets in 6. The Jets haven't lost to the Flames in '93. They will, but it will be a close series that will come down to how well Roberts has recovered. I don't think he'll be 100%, and while it will help, it won't be enough. Norris Division --------------- Chicago vs. St. Louis/Minnesota Chicago in 6 against the Blues, 7 against the Stars. Detroit vs. Toronto - Wings in 6. The Wings should be able to shutdown Gilmour and Andreychuk. Chelvadae is more experienced than Potvin. Final - Hawks in 7. Brutal series. Probert and Chelios will go at it. Belfour is better than Chelvadae, IMHO. Conference Final - Hawks in 6. It hurts, but the Hawks are more experienced, and that will carry them through to the final. Prince of Wales Conference -------------------------- Adams Division -------------- Boston vs. Buffalo - Bruins in 6. B's can check, Juneau is darn good, and Neely. The Sabres rely too much on Lafontaine and Mogilny. Quebec vs. Montreal - Montreal in 7. Classic battle, the inexperience will hurt the Nords, this year. Final - Bruins in 5. Habs will be hurting from their series with the Nords, and Boston has been able to control the scorers on the Habs. Patrick Division ---------------- Pittsburgh vs Islanders/Devils - Pens in 5. One word. Mario. Washington vs. Devils/Islanders - Caps in 6 / Devils in 7. I think the Caps can beat the Isles, but not the Devils. Tabaracci has been strong in goal, and if he plays like last year, he could carry the team. It doesn't matter, though. Final - Pens in 5. Two more words. Stevens. Jagr. Cup Final - Pens in 6. Three last words. Tocchet. Murphy. Barrasso. The only thing I don't like about this is that the Pens woofers are going to be out in full force again. (I don't mean the regular Penguin fans...it's just like the bunch around here that if these predictions are true will post like nuts while the Jets are winning, but we won't hear from again when they lose.) (Oh yeah...next year's Cup prediction...Jets in 7 over the Nords.) Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! ";-1;0 "From: c60b-3jl@web-3h.berkeley.edu (James Wang) Subject: Re: Calling all Mac gurus Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3h.berkeley.edu In article <1qvs9t$q3f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Charles P. Cox, Jr. writes: >Question for those familiar with Quadra VRAM: >I put 2 256K VRAM SIMMs in my Quadra 700 (in the 2 slots closest to the >RAM SIMM slots) and I got no results whatsoever. I have been told that >the built-in video should support at least 16bit and maybe 24bit color on >a Macintosh Color Display. However, the Monitors control panel still >lists 8bit (256 colors) as the highest possible. the Q700 will only do 8bit or 24bit color. if you want the higher color depth, it's 2MB's of VRAM altogether for a monitor up to 16"". for a 21"" monitor, you can get 8bit max. hope this answers your questions. James Wang. ";-1;0 "From: bfinnert@chaph.usc.edu (Brian Finnerty) Subject: Mary's assumption Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 34 A few points about Mary's being taken into heaven at the end of her life on earth: One piece of evidence for Mary's assumption into heaven is the fact that no Christian church ever claimed to be the sight where she was buried. Some Christian churches claimed to be located at the final resting places of Peter, Mark, and other saints, but no one ever claimed to possess the body of Mary, the greatest of the saints. Why? Because everyone knew that she had been taken up into heaven. Although there is no definitive scriptural proof for the assumption of Mary, some passages seem suggestive, like the passage in Revelation that describes a woman giving birth to a Son and later being crowned in the heavens. Of course, the woman in this passage has other interpretations; she can also be taken a symbol for the Church. The assumption of Mary makes sense because of her relationship to Christ. Jesus, perfect God and perfect man, fulfilled the requirements of the law perfectly. Under the law God gave to us, we are to honor our mother and father, and Christ's act of taking his mother into heaven is part of his fulfillment of that law. Also, he took his flesh from her, so it seems appropriate that he decide not to allow her flesh to rot in the grave. One last point: an ex-Catholic attempted to explain Catholic doctrine on the assumption by asserting it is connected to a belief that Mary did not die. This is not a correct summary of what Catholics believe. The dogma of the assumption was carefully phrased to avoid saying whether Mary did or did not die. In fact, the consensus among Catholic theologians seems to be that Mary in fact did die. This would make sense: Christ died, and his Mother, who waited at the foot of the cross, would want to share in his death. Brian Finnerty ";-1;0 "From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) Subject: Re: 15-day, 30-day, 60-day disabled list questions Article-I.D.: bernard.kbanaian.448.734117444 Organization: Pitzer College Lines: 25 In article derich@netcom.com (Scotty*Tissue) writes: > > Whenever a person is put on the 15-day, 30-day or 60-day, > the person is on the list longer than the specificed time > > I've seen a person on the 15-day for maybe 4 months last year, I don't > remember what... > > I just need a little clarification on the disabled list specifications. > I believe we are down to two: the 15-day and the 60-day. (I don't remember a 30-day, but rather a 21-day. Anyways, it's gone now.) The period length is a minimum, not a maximum. You can keep a guy on the 15-day for as long as you want, IF he's still certified as injured. The player must be periodically re-evaluated to determine if he's still injured (thus you cannot park a player on the DL who maybe is out of options and you do not wish to expose to waivers). If you get someone qualified for the 60-day that reduces the frequency of re-evaluations. There is no longer, I believe, any limit to the number of players you can place on the DL. When there was, you often had to choose and juggle your injured players between the lists. --King ""Sparky"" Banaian |""No taxes: No new taxes, kbanaian@pitzer.claremont.edu |no old taxes, we are taxed Dept. of Economics, Pitzer College |enough."" -- Rep. Alan Keyes Latest 1993 GDP forecast: 2.4% | (please run, Alan!) ";-1;0 "From: steven@surya.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Berson) Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel Nntp-Posting-Host: surya.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Lines: 25 cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: >From: Center for Policy Research >Subject: Ten questions about Israel >I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to >provide > accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are >indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by >people around me. [ ... questions omitted ... ] >Elias Davidsson Iceland email: elias@ismennt.is Funny you should mention it, but I've heard these questions time and again, also. Why just the other day, a couple neo-Nazis by UCLA were passing out literature like this. Cheers, Steve -- ========================================================================= Steven Berson UCLA Computer Science Department (310) 825-3189 steven@cs.ucla.edu Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 ========================================================================= ";-1;0 "From: peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) Subject: What'S A Good Ic For Rs23 Lines: 13 AllTall Cool OneWhat's a good IC for RS23 TC>From: rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) TC>Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana TC>I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL vo TC>levels. Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too. Anyone TC>a suggestion?? Thanks. Try a Maxim ""MAX232CPE"" 8 pin dil, converts 5V to 12V for 232commms. What a clever little gizmo! Peter T. ";-1;0 "From: lynn@granitt.uio.no (Malcolm Lynn) Subject: Re: Sexual Proposition = Sexual Harassment? Lines: 2 Nntp-Posting-Host: pcgeo23.uio.no Organization: University of Oslo Lines: 3 this is a tesrt s ";-1;0 "From: dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) Subject: More Diamond SS 24X Nntp-Posting-Host: dil.adp.unc.edu Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology Lines: 9 Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. Thx Dave L ";6;1 "From: aduh@carson.u.washington.edu (Richard Susanto) Subject: Labtec speaker for SALE Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 22 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Hi, Anybody interested in buying my Labtec speaker? Labtec SS-200 Amplified Stereo Speaker System - Built in amplifier - 6 volt input - works with/without batteries - individual volume controls - treble boost switch Great for medium quality PC's sound(adlib,soundblaster..) walkman for: $15 (included shipping...) E-mail me... -- Richard Susanto aduh@carson.u.washington.edu ";8;1 "From: yhdw@quads.uchicago.edu (stephen t parker) Subject: DOS 5.0 Reply-To: yhdw@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 16 Posting for a friend. Reply to him, not to me. For Sale: Micro Soft DOS v. 5.0 Micro Soft DOS v. 5.0 Release date: 11/11/91 3 1/2"" diskettes manual in perfect conditioni best offer accepted (I pay shippinig) Contact Randall at: Randall_Clark@byu.edu (801) 222-0834 (home) (801) 378-2722 (work) ";8;1 "From: ent811l@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Christopher Kuperman) Subject: Re: Do I need intelligent serial I/O?? Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 31 Bill writes: : : No, buy the serial port and modem. Each can be used for other things, : you can use the modem with your next computer (might not be a PC) or : upgrade the modem without changing the box. I hear that ISDN is big in : Europe, you might be able to get one of those beautiful ISDN modems for : less than the pice of a car someday (64k bidirectional). : : -- : bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345 : Unfortunately the curent United States standard on ISDN is 54Kbit.. :( but i suppose whats 10Kbit.. C.Kup. _____________________________________________________________________________ [__From_________________________________][ aka: Christopher Kuperman ] [_______________________________________][ The holistic systems consultant ] [____@@@@@@____________________@@_______][------------------------------------] [_______@@____@@@@@___@@_@@@___@@__@@___][ email: zork@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ] [______@@____@@___@@__@@@___@__@@@@_____][------------------------------------] [_____@@_____@@___@@__@@_______@@_@@____][ Giv a man a fish & he'll eat for a ] [____@@@@@@@__@@@@@___@@_______@@__@@___][ day, teach him how to fish & he'll ] [_______________________________________][_eat for ever.______________________] ";-1;0 "From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang) Subject: Nikon FM2 and lens forsale Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 5 Nikon FM-2n with 50 mm Nikkor and accessories for sale.I bought this camera in Hong Kong two years ago and everything has been looked after very well. I'm now selling some more gear to finance my next big film project. Asking $350 for package. NO BARGAINS. ";-1;0 "From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Article-I.D.: optilink.15210 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr3.165155.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz>, quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes: > cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # # I thought I was clear. Because homosexuals support laws to force # # employment of homosexuals against the will of some employers, they # # are attempting to interfere with private acts between mutually consenting # # adults. # # Ok, I'll leave others to discuss your use of statistics, but I think I'm # able to discuss liberterian ideas. # The ideas are good. They seek to maximise individual rights by keeping # governments out of transactions between consenting adults. If an employer wants # to discriminate against a group, she/he should be allowed to to maximise their # freedom. The discriminatees can go elsewhere. # Unfortunately, it doesn't relate to maximising total individual rights # within a community. If an employer or shopkeeper or whatever can discriminate # in this way, then the freedom of the discriminatee goes down. Because people do # not live in perfect economic conditions, with perfect mobility, unlimited # numbers of potential employers of their skills, unlimited places to buy goods, # the liberterian argument leads to a *decrease* in the amount of liberty in the # community. You mean, if a large part of the population supports discrimination against homosexuals, they will be injured. But if a large part of the population supports such discrimination, how did that law get passed? # Tony Quirke, Wellington, New Zealand. Quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. ";-1;0 "From: mb4008@cehp11 (Morgan J Bullard) Subject: Re: speeding up windows Keywords: speed Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 30 djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis) writes: >I have a 386/33 with 8 megs of memory >I have noticed that lately when I use programs like WpfW or Corel Draw >my computer ""boggs"" down and becomes really sluggish! >What can I do to increase performance? What should I turn on or off >Will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to >the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it? >Thanx in advance >Derek 1) make sure your hard drive is defragmented. This will speed up more than just windows BTW. Use something like Norton's or PC Tools. 2) I _think_ that leaving the wall paper out will use less RAM and therefore will speed up your machine but I could very will be wrong on this. There's a good chance you've already done this but if not it may speed things up. good luck Morgan Bullard mb4008@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu or mjbb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu >-- >$_ /|$Derek J.P. Serianni $ E-Mail : djserian@flash.lakeheadu.ca $ >$\'o.O' $Sociologist $ It's 106 miles to Chicago,we've got a full tank$ >$=(___)=$Lakehead University $ of gas, half a pack of cigarettes,it's dark,and$ >$ U $Thunder Bay, Ontario$ we're wearing sunglasses. -Elwood Blues $ ";6;1 "From: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) Subject: Re: Oily skin - problem? Reply-To: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) Distribution: world Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr5.044140.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> u92_hwong@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes: > I have a very oily skin. My problem is when I wash my face, it becomes >oily in half an hour. Especially in the nose region. Is this an illness? How >can I prevent it from occuring in such short time? Is there a cleanser out >there that will do a better job -- that is after cleaning, my face won't become >oily in such a short time. I don't think that's a problem. My face is quite oily too. I had a moderate acne problem for many years. I then found that if I vigorously scrub my face with a nail brush and soap (Irish Spring) twice a day the acne was not a problem. I can still leave a pretty health nose print on a mirror after 45 min (don't ask ;->) but acne is not a real problem anymore. [J.F.] ";-1;0 "From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) Subject: Re: Breech Baby Info Needed Organization: University of Rochester Lines: 89 In article <1993Apr5.151818.27409@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes: >In article <1993Apr3.161757.19612@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: >> >>Another uncommon problem is maternal hemorrhage. I don't remember the >>incidence, but it is something like 1 in 1,000 or 10,000 births. It is hard >>to see how you could handle it at home, and you wouldn't have very much time. >> >>thing you might consider is that people's risk tradeoffs vary. I consider >>a 1/1,000 risk of loss of a loved one to require considerable effort in >>the avoiding. > >Mark, you seem to be terrified of the birth process That's ridiculous! >and unable to >believe that women's bodies are actually designed to do it. They aren't designed, they evolved. And, much as it discomforts us, in humans a trouble-free birth process was sacrificed to increased brain and cranial size. Wild animals have a much easier time with birth than humans do. Domestic horses and cows typically have a worse time. To give you an idea: my family tree is complicated because a few of my pioneer great-great- grandfathers had several wives, and we never could figure out which wife had each child. One might ask why this happened. My great-great- grandfathers were, by the time they reached their forties, quite prosperous farmers. Nonetheless, they lost several wives each to the rigors of childbirth; the graveyards in Spencer, Indiana, and Boswell, North Dakota, contain quite a few gravestones like ""Ida, wf. of Jacob Liptrap, and baby, May 6, 1853."" >You wanted >to section all women carrying breech in case one in a hundred or a >thousand breech babies get hung up in second stage, More like one in ten. And the consequences can be devastating; I have direct experience of more than a dozen victims of a fouled-up breech birth. >and now you want >all babies born in hospital based on a guess of how likely maternal >hemorrhage is and a false belief that it is fatal. It isn't always fatal. But it is often fatal, when it happens out of reach of adequate help. More often, it permanently damages one's health. Clearly women's bodies _evolved_ to give birth (I am no believer in divine design); however, evolution did not favor trouble-free births for humans. >You have your kids where you want. You encourage your wife to >get six inch holes cut through her stomach muscles, expose herself >to anesthesia and infection, and whatever other ""just in case"" measures >you think are necessary. My, aren't we wroth! I haven't read a more outrageous straw man attack in months! I can practically see your mouth foam. We're statistically sophisticated enough to balance the risks. Although I can't produce exact statistics 5 years after the last time we looked them up, rest assured that we balanced C-section risks against other risks. I wouldn't encourage my wife to have a Caesarean unless it was clearly indicated; on the other hand, I am opposed (on obvious grounds) to waiting until an emergency to give in. And bear this in mind: my wife took the lead in all of these decisions. We talked things over, and I did a lot of the leg work, but the main decisions were really hers. >But I for one am bothered by your continued >suggestions, especially to the misc.kidders pregnant for the first >time, that birth is dangerous, even fatal, and that all these >unpleasant things are far better than the risks you run just doing >it naturally. I don't know of very many home birth advocates, even, that think that a first-time mother should have her baby at home. >I'm no Luddite. I've had a section. I'm planning a hospital birth >this time. But for heaven's sake, not everyone needs that! But people should bother to find out the relative risks. My wife was unwilling to take any significant risks in order to have nice surroundings. In view of the intensity of the birth experience, I doubt surroundings have much importance anyway. Somehow the values you're advocating seem all lopsided to me: taking risks, even if fairly small, of serious permanent harm in order to preserve something that is, after all, an esthetic consideration. -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu ";-1;0 "From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: DC-X: Vehicle Nears Flight Test Article-I.D.: news.C51rzx.AC3 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 34 nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: [Excellent discussion of DC-X landing techniques by Henry deleted] >Since the DC-X is to take off horizontal, why not land that way?? The DC-X will not take of horizontally. It takes of vertically. >Why do the Martian Landing thing.. For several reasons. Vertical landings don't require miles of runway and limit noise pollution. They don't require wheels or wings. Just turn on the engines and touch down. Of course, as Henry pointed out, vetical landings aren't quite that simple. >Or am I missing something.. Don't know to >much about DC-X and such.. (overly obvious?). Well, to be blunt, yes. But at least you're learning. >Why not just fall to earth like the russian crafts?? Parachute in then... The Soyuz vehicles use parachutes for the descent and then fire small rockets just before they hit the ground. Parachutes are, however, not especially practical if you want to reuse something without much effort. The landings are also not very comfortable. However, in the words of Georgy Grechko, ""I prefer to have bruises, not to sink."" -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Tout ce qu'un homme est capable d'imaginer, d'autres hommes seront capable de la realiser"" -Jules Verne ";-1;0 "From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: SHO and SC Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 53 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, a207706@moe.dseg.ti.com (Robert Loper) says: >In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >>In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes: >>>In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: >>>>In article chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes: >>>> >> >>Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is >>beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a >>regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to >>say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg >>disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an >>SHO anyway. >> >>I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic >>transmissions from all ""performance-type"" cars (like the 5.0l >>Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of >>accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans, >>but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO. >> >> James >> >I have to disagree with this. I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto >w/ overdrive, and it is really better that way. Chevy autos are reknowned >for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power. I live >in the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic >here. Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be >more fun. > >Safety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be >shifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here. >Performance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0 >Camaro w/ a five speed. > >All of this IMHO... :) all of my HO's disagree with your HO's. I LOVED Dallas rush hour in my stick.. detested it in the auto(like i did any other time in the auto...). Of course, Dalls rush hours are nothing, from what i hear..if i lived in LA, i might be of a different persuasion. And, just for the record, rarely do you shift gears when merging into traffic..that is what 5 speeds are good for..4th is good up through around 80-90, most of the time, so you can just wind it out.. it's not going to hurt anything, and keeps it in the powerband anyway.. only shift into top gear when you are exceeding redline in 4th(fairly rare, unless you drive a ferrari or some such, i'd bet) or when you hit cruising speed where you feel comfortable(or when my mother is sitting in the passanger seat complaining about how you wind her ""poor little engine"" way too hi :-) Just my HO's.. DREW ";-1;0 "From: Wil.Chin@launchpad.unc.edu (Wilson Chin) Subject: Re: DATman for sale. Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 19 In article bdavis@netcom.com (Bryan Davis) writes: >Sony TCD-D3 DAT walkman for sale. Hardly used, still under >warrantee. Comes with optical digital input/output as well as standard >RCA analog cables. Includes recharable battery, charger, and AC adaptor. >$650.00 or best offer. Just to inform the readers of newsrc Sony has just introduced a new DATman, the TCD-D7 which is smaller and less expensive than the D3. Also, the D7 has a coaxial jack which the D3 lacks. Oh, the D3 has always been available through mail-order houses for less than $700 dollars new... with the new model coming out, I suspect the now obsolete D3 will be selling for even less. -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 ";8;1 "From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: Glutamate Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Lines: 13 In article <1qrsr6$d59@access.digex.net> kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) writes: >In article sher@bbn.com (Lawrence D. Sher) writes: >> From the N.E.J.Med. editorial: ""The dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate >> is not only an essential amino acid ... > >Glutamate is not an essential amino acid. People can survive quite well >without ever eating any. There is no contradiction here. It is essential in the sense that your body needs it. It is non-essential in the sense that your body can produce enough of it without supplement. Jason Chen ";-1;0 "From: dave@einstein.andi.org (David Scheck) Subject: imake (X11R4) cpp problems on AIX Keywords: imake X11R4 AIX Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.andi.org Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Lines: 28 I am trying to build and use imake (X11R4) on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX V3.2. I am having the following 2 problems. (1) Many of my Imakefile's have contructs like /**/#This is a makefile at the start of lines to pass Makefile comments thru the C preprocessor and into the Makefile. Most of the C preprocessors that I have used will not treat such a # as appearing at the start of the line. Thus the C preprocessor does not treat the hash symbol as the start of a directive. However the IBM cpp strips the comment and treats the hash symbol as the start of a directive. The cpp fails when it determines that ""This"" is not a known directive. I have temporarily hacked my imake to handle this situation but would like to come up with a better fix. (2) Several Imakefiles use /**/ as a parameter to a macro when a particular use of the macro does not need a value for the parameter. The AIX cpp gives warnings about these situations but continues to work OK. If you are familiar with these problems and have solutions, I would appreciate information about on your solutions. (Perhaps, this is solved in a later version of imake that I have not reviewed.) Also, do you know of other cpp's that behave similarly? Since I do not have easy access to News, a response to 'white_billy@po.gis.prc.com' would be appreciated. ";-1;0 "From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: WINCO Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr15.193603.14228@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri >tes: > >>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you! > >A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid >is still having trouble ""aiming"" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as >me how, I just have seen the results. > >Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in >the head. I'm sorry about your friend. Really. But this anecdote does nothing to justify the ""war on drugs"". If anything, it demonstrates that the ""war"" is a miserable failure. What it demonstrates is that people will take drugs if they want to, legal or not. Perhaps if your friend were taking legal, regulated drugs under a doctors supervision he might not be in the position he's in now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Dale Cook ""Any town having more churches than bars has a serious social problem."" ---Edward Abbey The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU) Subject: Re: Splitting drives into two - does it make them faster? Organization: Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories, Inc. Lines: 33 In article <6D8q2B5w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann) writes: >guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes: > >> > the partitions take up disk space, having 3 or 4 partition will cost >> > somewhere between 4-8 meg of hard disk space, if you can afoord this >> > luxury more power to you, its your choice. >> > >> >> Where does all this disk space go? The DOS partition table is fixed length >> and every hard disk carries one. What is useing this lost 4-8MB? > > If I remember right, the partition table is allocated an entire CYLINDER. >To find out how much it takes up, you need to calculate: >heads * sectors * 512 > > Also, if you create an extended partition, there is a second 'partition' >in there for the logical drives. I think the original respondent (Guy Dawson?) was refering to something much more elementary. Every partition (whether it is the entire disk or not) has two FATs and an initial directory. If you have a small disk (50 meg or less), I would recommend that it remain a single partition. Unless you have some other consideration. If you have a large disk (greater than 200 meg), multiple partitions can make sense. -- Mike Lipsie (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP ";-1;0 "From: lex@optimla.aimla.com (Lex van Sonderen) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Nntp-Posting-Host: emerald Organization: Philips Interactive Media of America Lines: 20 In article erik@westworld.esd.sgi.com (Erik Fortune) writes: >> better than CDI >*Much* better than CDI. Of course, I do not agree. It does have more horsepower. Horsepower is not the only measurement for 'better'. It does not have full motion, full screen video yet. Does it have CD-ROM XA? >> starting in the 4 quarter of 1993 >The first 3DO ""multiplayer"" will be manufactured by panasonic and will be >available late this year. A number of other manufacturers are reported to >have 3DO compatible boxes in the works. Which other manufacturers? We shall see about the date. >All this information is third hand or so and worth what you paid for it:-). This is second hand, but it still hard to look to the future ;-). Lex van Sonderen lex@aimla.com Philips Interactive Media ";1;1 "From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: University of East Anglia Lines: 78 egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: >In article 735207403@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: >>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: >> >1. All of us that argue about gyroscopes, etc., throughly understand >the technique of countersteering. Including all the ones who think that they countersteer all the way through a corner?? >The underlying physics are a >different matter, and need not be taught to beginners. Agreed! >Countersteering >(the technique), should be taught, for only with understanding of the >technique can one develop maximally effective emergency avoidance >manuvers. This is really the only thing we disagree on. Maybe we should agree to disagree?? I still think that telling newbies to steer left to turn to the right is unnecessarily confusing, when they'll do it anyway if they just get on the bike and ride the damn thing. >2. *I* know exactly what's happening. It's those *other* gits that >haven't a clue! :^) Me too!! :-) >>Understanding the physics of traction is fine - but I cannot see how >>detailed theory like that has any place in a motorcyle training course. >>All you need to know is that maximum traction is obtained with the tyre >>*just* beginning to slide against the road. >Then we are in violent disagreement. While what you state is true, it >is insufficient to form a traction management policy. Available >traction increases with applied normal force, ie, traction available to >the front wheel increases as weight shifts under braking forces, and >correspondingly decreases at the rear. Thus, a *technique* of applying >both brakes, and easing off the rear and increasing pressure on the >front, can best be learned with an understanding of weight shift and >available traction. Jeez, Ed, when you started talking about traction management policies I thought you were making some weird reference to looking after railway locomotives... The official line here (though I do have my doubts about it) is that the front brake is applied first, followed by the rear brake, the idea being that you avoid locking up the rear after weight transfer takes place. In practice I suspect most people do what you describe. >Saying, ""brake until the tire just begins to slide"" is next to useless >advice to a newbie. He has to go out and slide the tire to find out >where that is! It also gives him zero information from which to >develop a braking technique that changes as the braking and >corresponding weight shift develop. If you don't slide the tyre, you have no way of knowing whether you've achieved maximum braking or not. I'm not suggesting that you should always aim to brake as hard as you possibly can - but if you want to find the limits of the machine, you have to go beyond them. In any case, for maximum braking, if (as I suggested) you aim to keep both wheels just on the point of sliding, then you'll be doing exactly as *you* suggest!! ";-1;0 "From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 32 In article <1r3n8d$4m5@techbook.techbook.com> dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes: > > THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE > > by Theodore J. O'Keefe > >HARD BY THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT, within clear view of the Jefferson >Memorial, an easy stroll down the Mall to the majestic Lincoln Memorial, >has arisen, on some of the most hallowed territory of the United States of >America, a costly and dangerous mistake. On ground where no monument yet >marks countless sacrifices and unheralded achievements of Americans of all >races and creeds in the building and defense of this nation, sits today a >massive and costly edifice, devoted above all to a contentious and false >version of the ordeal in Europe during World War II, of non-American >members of a minority, sectarian group. Now, in the deceptive guise of >tolerance, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum begins a propaganda >campaign, financed through the unwitting largess of the American taxpayer, >in the interests of Israel and its adherents in America. After reading the first paragraph, a quick scan confirmed my first impression: this is a bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash. The NY Times reported on April 18, 1993 that the museum ""was built through private contributions on Federal land"". Your hate-mongering article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content and social value. Down the toilet it goes..... -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. ";-1;0 "From: ritley@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu () Subject: MYSTERY ILLNESS WITH SPOTS Reply-To: ritley@uiucmrl.bitnet () Organization: Materials Research Lab Lines: 13 I attended high school in the San Jose, California area in the early 1980's, and I remember a (smallish) outbreak of a strange illness, in which people developed measles-like spots on their bodies. This condition seemed to last only a few days, and I don't recall anyone reporting any other symptoms. I seem to recall reading somewhere that this was believed to have been viral in nature, but I don't know for sure. However, I have been curious since then about this. Anyone have any ideas about what this might have been? ";-1;0 "From: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) Subject: Re: mouse on COM3 under Windows 3.1 ? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 34 Reply-To: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) says: >I've pursued and researched this question over the last month or so because I have the same requirements you do......and the long and short of it is that the windows mouse drivers don't accept mice at any but com1 and com2 using irq4 or irq3 unless you buy special drivers from someone who has them.....I've talked to Mouse Systems who say their driver doesn't support other than com1 and com2 as above , but who claim to be releasing one that will SOON!??. > >The other alternative seems to be possible, but in one case prohibitively expensive, i.e. 4 port card for $600??????!!, and in the other, the author(s) of PowerBBS for Windows claim to have a 4 port serial card with buffered 16550 UARTS and drivers for windows to match (i.e. com3 irq5) for $120...... > >The second paragraph is hearsay, because I haven't checked it out yet.....but intend to as soon as I can free up $120 > >Hope this will save you some steps. > > I had this problem when I first loaded windows. My I/O card is for 2 HD's 2 FD's 1 Parrelel 2 serial (1 for mouse and 1 for my external modem) and a game port. PROBLEM enters. The DARN serial ports have no selection for COM settings, they are stuck on 3 and 4. Good card for HD's and FD's but lousy for serial. I called Microsoft and other places. The long and short of it is WINDOWS wants com1 and 2 ONLY!, for mouse selection. I went out and bought a small I/O card just for parrelel and serial. Now I have ALL 4 active COM ports and LPT1 and LPT2. This Half card was less than $20. Mouse on COM 1 external modem on COM 2, I disabled the LPT2 so I could use the interupt for my scanner card IRQ. C-ya..... /\/\artin -- This communication is sent by /\/\artin University of Arizona Tucson ========================================================================= ak333@cleveland.freenet.edu mlinsenb@ccit.arizona.edu mlinsenb@arizvms DEATH HAS BEEN DEAD FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS ****** FOLLOW THE KING OF KINGS ";-1;0 "From: redsonja@olias.linet.org (Red Sonja) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Distribution: na Organization: Long Island Pubnet - long may it rave! Lines: 60 In article <1qmugcINNpu9@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes: >The key question is whether non-Clipper encryption will be made illegal. > It seems pretty obvious that it will be made illegal if VERY LOUD NOISE is not made about this IMMEDIATELY to Congress and the House! >It looks like the worst nightmares raised by Dorothy Denning's proposals >are coming true. If the government continues on this course, I imagine >that we will see strong cryptography made illegal. Encryption programs >for disk files and email, as well as software to allow for encrypted >voice communications, will be distributed only through the >""underground"". People will have to learn how to hide the fact that >they are protecting their privacy. I don't know what's worse - the waste of money, or the fact that (in SPITE of all Clinton's rhetoric to the contrary) this is a feeble attempt by a large group of bored intelligence bureaucrats to justify their currently useless jobs. Clinton said he was going to trim the fat from the government. This doesn't look very dietetic to me! As I said before in this group: drug dealing and terrorism both tend to be international crimes which are not going to cease if the US starts to regulate encryption. The drug dealers and terrorists will simply go to other countries to communicate their plans, and will still carry them out here and/or wherever else. This is not the solution to the problem. They try to invent a new problem by saying we ""need"" encryption. I guess it's a good thing Bill Gates isn't a 4-star general or we would all ""need"" our own copies of MS-DOS too, right? Und vee haff vays uff findink out iff you are usink DOCTOR DOS!! >It's shocking and frightening to see that this is actually happening here. Our health care and education systems are in the toilet and they come up with THIS pearl. If this goddamned government doesn't get a clue real quick and start trying to repair the infrastructure of the country rather than inventing someone to blame, Germany and Japan are going to eat the US alive, and we will deserve it. It's not like there's any shortage of REAL problems to solve, guys! A Clipper chip is really going to help the homeless! A Clipper chip is really going to help educate the children in the ghettos of our cities! Just think of the generation gap that can be developed when they rehire DoD engineer dad to work on Clipper chips that will be used to decrypt slightly rebellious adolescent hacker son's naughty GIF files! I can see the shitcom already. If that wasn't a forged post or a sick joke, I'm popping that Dead Kennedys tape into the car stereo and tearing ass to Canada. Clinton on White Horse is near. It's the suede/denim secret police! They have come for your uncool niece! Don't worry it's only a phone...shit, I knew I should have gotten some of those ""consent to monitoring"" stickers they keep on Autovon phones when I had the chance. I should have known I'd need them in civilian life. -- redsonja@olias.linet.org \\\RS/// Self possession is 9/10 of the law. Alien: ""We control the laws of nature!"" | ""How come when it's human, it's an Joel: ""And you still dress that way?"" | abortion, but when it's a chicken, (MST3K#17 - Gamera vs Guiron) | it's an omelet?"" - George Carlin ";-1;0 "Subject: 2SC1096, 2SA634 specs? From: juhan@piko (Juhan Poldvere) Organization: Tartu University, Department of Chemistry Nntp-Posting-Host: piko.chem.ut.ee X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]Lines: 10 Lines: 10 Hi, Could some kind soul post me the max power/voltage/current ratings of 2SC1096 and 2SA634 transistors, their conductance types and pinouts. They are used in the sweep portion of a TV set. Thanks in advance, -- Juhan Poeldvere, ES5QX | juhan@chem.ut.ee Tartu University, Dept. of Chemistry | fax: 372 (34) 35440 2 Jakobi St., EE-2400, Tartu, Estonia, via Stockholm | voice: 372 (34) 35429 ";11;1 "From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Distribution: na Lines: 26 In article elee9sf@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU (Karl Barrus) writes: > >Would you trust a black-box from the NSA versus an ""open system"" from >elsewhere? Absolutely, if I were assured by someone I trusted that the black box was more secure. I have nothing to conceal from the government, but I would like to be sure that any Russian, Japanese, French, or other competitors for my services can't read my traffic. I'd like to be sure that competitive bid information was safe from commercial competitors and foreign governments which would aid them. I believe the NSA has identical motivations with respect to my activities. The President and many other senior government officials have made it very clear that they share these motivations. Thus I'd trust them on the ""coincidence of interests"" argument as well as on a basic trust in their professionalism and a high confidence in their skills. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. ";-1;0 "From: lei@rtsg.mot.com (Peter P. Lei) Subject: DOS 6 vfintd.386 and Windows sys.ini Nntp-Posting-Host: accord4 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 11 Does anyone know what the vfintd.386 device is used for in windows 3.1? It's under the [386enh] section as device=c:\dos\vfintd.386 After upgrading to dos 6 on several machines (different types), some include it, some don't. Any ideas? pl ";6;1 "From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Summary: Is subjective judgement more reliable than statistics? Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT Lines: 76 In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: > ... >*not* imply that all their treatments are ineffective. It *does* >imply that those who rely on faulty methodology and reasoning are >incapable of discovering *which* treatments are effective and >which are not.) To start with, no methodology or form of reasoning is infallible. So there's a question of how much certainty we are willing to pay for in a given context. Insistence on too much rigor bogs science down completely and makes progress impossible. (Expenditure of sufficiently large sums of money and amounts of time can sometimes overcome this.) On the other hand, with too little rigor much is lost by basing work on results which eventually turn out to be false. There is a morass of studies contradicting other studies and outsiders start saying ""You people call THIS science?"" (My opinion, for what it's worth, is that one sees both these phenomena happening simultaneously in some parts of psychology.) Some subjective judgement is required to decide on the level of rigor appropriate for a particular investigation. I don't believe it is ever possible to banish subjective judgement from science. My second point, though, is that highly capable people can often make extremely reliable judgements about scientific validity even when using methodology considered inadequate by the usual standards. I think this is true of many scientists and I think it is true of many who approach their discipline in a way that is not generally recognized as scientific. Within mathematics, I think there are several examples, especially before the twentieth century. One conspicuous case is that of Riemann, who is famous for many theorems he stated but did not prove. (Later mathematicians did prove them, of course.) I think that for a good scientist, empirical investigation is often not so much a matter of determining what is true and what's not as it is a matter of convincing other people. (People have proposed lots of incompatible definitions of science here, but I think the ability to objectively convince others of the validity of one's results is an essential element. Not that one can necessarily do that at every step of the scientific process, but I think that if one is not moving toward that goal then one is not doing science.) When a person other than a scientist is quite good at what he does and seems to be very successful at it, I think that his judgements are also worthy of respect and that his assertions are well worth further investigation. In article I wrote: > Namely, is there really justification for the belief that > science is a superior path to truth than non-scientific approaches? Admittedly, my question was not at all well posed. A considerable amount of effort in a ""serious scholarly investigation"" such as I suggested would be required simply to formulate an appropriately specific question to try and answer. The ""science"" I was thinking of in my question is the actual science currently practiced now in the last decade of the twentieth century. I certainly wasn't thinking of some idealized science or the mere use of ""reason and observation."" One thing I had in mind in my suggestion was the question as to whether in many cases the subjective judgements of skilled and experienced practitioners might be more reliable than statistical studies. Since Russell Turpin seems to be much more familiar than I am with the study of scientific methodology, perhaps he can tell us if there is any existing research related to this question. -- In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet ";-1;0 "From: dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) Subject: Re: NDW Norton Desktop for Windows Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: misvms.bpa.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr17.130528.2773@leland.Stanford.EDU>, shiva@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matt Jacobson) writes... > >I have an IBM and run Windows 3.1. A friend installed Norton Desktop For >Windows on top of this. It loads automatically when I type ""win"", and >surely adds to the (already dismally slow) process of starting up. > >I would like to know how to STOP or uninstall this program!! >Is there anyone familiar with NDW who can tell me how to turn it off?? 1. Get the friend to uninstall it. 2. Read the manual (though from your post I infer that you are using pirated software.) 3. Go into SYS.INI and change the SHELL= line to read SHELL=PROGMAN.EXE =========================================================================== daniel david mittleman - danny@arizona.edu - (602) 621-2932 ";6;1 "From: jer@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (rathmann,janice e) Subject: Re: eye dominance Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr19.171938.17930@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes: > In article <19671@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: > >In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: > >> > >>Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an > >>overall right-handedness in the population? I mean do most > >>people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the > >>other? If so, what kinds of percentages can be attached to this? > > > >There is eye dominance same as handedness (and usually for the > >same side). It has nothing to do with refractive error, however. > > I recall reading/seeing that former baseball star Chris Chambliss' hitting > abilities were (in part) attributed to a combination of left-handedness & > right-eye dominance. I was part of a study a few years ago at the University of Arizona to see whether cross dominant individuals (those with a particular handedness but who had dominance in the opposite eye) were better hitters than those with same side dominance of hand and eye. I was picked from my softball class because I was cross dominant (right hand, left eye) which put me in a small minority (and the grad student was trying to get an equal number of cross dominant and same side dominant people). To control the study, she used a pitching machine - fast pitch. Since I was used to slow pitch, I didn't come close (actually I think I foul tipped a few) to hitting the ball. If there were a lot of people like me in her study (i.e., those who can't hit fast pitch, or are not used to hitting off a machine), I would seriously question the results of that study!! I think there have been some studies of major league players (across a fairly large cross section of players) to test whether eye dominance being the same or opposite side was ""better"" - but I don't know the results. (The woman who ran the study I was in said that there was a higher incidence of crossdominance in major leaguers than across the general population - but I'm not sure whether I'd believe her.) Janice Rathmann ";-1;0 "From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world Lines: 56 In callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.220105.26409@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: >>In article <93Apr08.202003.27851@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: >>>As a long time motorcyclist, I have never understood what >>>posessed auto builders to put delicate controls, which must >>>be used with skill and finesse, like clutches and brakes, >>>on the floor. >>> >>>Why not hand control? It's much much easier. >> >>In the early days, neither of these functions had power-assist, so >>only legs had enough strength to activate them. Since then, it's >>been traditional and people would have a hard time getting >>used to anything else. >Well, where, exactly, would you put a hand clutch and brake? On >a motorcycle, it's easy; the handlebars have a very limited >range of turning. Steering wheels, on the other hand, turn around >and around and around...which is fine for electrical relays (like >your cruise control and airbag)--but how many of you want to >lose your clutch and/or brake due to a short circuit? Shades of the Edsel! They had pushbuttons in the steering wheel hub that controlled the auto tranny. It was very disconcerting to shift into reverse when turning a corner and the wires shorted. >There are workarounds, but there's really no reason to use hand >power on a car's clutch or brakes, and lightening them to the >point that they are ""finesse"" controls suitable for hand use >would increse the mechanical complexity substantially (look at >power brakes and non-power brakes for an example). >>I saw an experimental car that had a joystick instead of a steering >>wheel... >That's about useless, IMHO. >>>Another automotive oddity is separate keys for trunks, doors, and >>>ignitions. Why on earth would you want this? >> >>I know *I* don't. >I want a separate trunk key for security reasons; it gives me a totally >separate, lockable container. For door and ignition....ehhh, the same key's >OK, I guess. > James >James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center >Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu >DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... > The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC > ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has > and all he's ever gonna have."" > --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" ";-1;0 "From: jian@coos.dartmouth.edu (Jian Lu) Subject: Grayscale Printer Summary: image printer under $5000 Distribution: na Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 6 We are interested in purchasing a grayscale printer that offers a good resoltuion for grayscale medical images. Can anybody give me some recommendations on these products in the market, in particular, those under $5000? Thank for the advice. ";-1;0 "From: franti@polaris.utu.fi (Pasi Fr{nti) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: University of Turku, Finland Lines: 20 lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes: >> Player: Points: +/- Subtraction: >> ------- ------- ---- ------------ >> Lemieux 157 53 -104 >> LaFontaine 145 13 -132 >> Oates 141 12 -129 >> Yzerman 138 33 -105 >> Selanne 137 8 -129 >This is wrong. Among Lemieux's 157 points, we do NOT know how many >are power play points. We may be able to find out how many PP goal he >scored, but not how many PP assist he accumulated. We also don't know >the # times he was on the ice but not credited on the goals the Pens >scored. That is what my point really was. There is not straight dependency between the +/- and scored points. Apparently most of the netters have realized it by themselves. ";-1;0 "From: hjhong@ev004.ev.nctu.edu.tw (H. J. Hong) Subject: FTP tool for Windows Organization: National Chiao Tung University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 8 Is there any one know: What is the FTP tool for Windows and where to get the tool ? Thanks for any help !! H.J. 1993,4,19 ";6;1 "From: nanderso@Endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) Subject: COMET...when did/will she launch? Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. Lines: 12 COMET (Commercial Experiment Transport) is to launch from Wallops Island Virginia and orbit Earth for about 30 days. It is scheduled to come down in the Utah Test & Training Range, west of Salt Lake City, Utah. I saw a message in this group toward the end of March that it was to launch on March 27. Does anyone know if it launched on that day, or if not, when it is scheduled to launch and/or when it will come down. I would also be interested in what kind(s) of payload(s) are onboard. Thanks for your help. Norman Anderson nanderso@endor.sim.es.com ";-1;0 "From: probulf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Frank Probul) Subject: Re: Position of 'b' on Erg. Keyboard Originator: probulf@hphalle2i.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr6.134746.11972@daimi.aau.dk>, viralbus@daimi.aau.dk (Thomas Martin Widmann) writes: |> So far I have only seen pictures of the new ergonomic keyboard, |> but it seems that the 'b' is placed on the left part after the split. |> However, when I learned typing in school some years ago, I was taught |> to write 'b' with my right hand. Is this a difference between Danish |> and American typing, or what??? |> |> Thanks a lot in advance! |> In germany you usually use the left hand for the 'b' yours Frankie -- --------------------------------------------- Frank Probul Emanuelstr. 17, D-8000 Munich 40, Germany AppleLink: Probul.F@AppleLink.Apple.COM internet: probulf@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Munich University of Technology Department of Computer Science Germany --------------------------------------------- ";0;1 "From: smb@col.hp.com (Sam Bauer) Subject: >>For Sale: Waxworks Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdib.col.hp.com ********************[ PC Game For Sale ]****************** Waxworks by Horrorsoft/Accolade (5.25"") $30 By the same folks who brought you Elvira I & II. I played Elvira I & II, and think that Horrorsoft has finally made a very playable game with Waxworks. The look and feel is roughly the same as in the Elvira games, though the real time fighting is a little easier to survive. The first two games, especially Elvira II: Jaws of Cerberus made it very tough to stay alive and hit-point restoring was very difficult. This is not to say that Waxworks is a walk in the park, but it is quite fair, in that there is always some weapon to be found that is quite effective, or hint given as to the proper fighting strategy. In one of the four wax works to be explored, there is no fighting at all (well almost none), though all four contain moderately challanging puzzles. The really interesting thing about this game is that it is really broken up into four seperate RPGs, one for each of the four exhibits you must enter. In starting each one, your character is transported with no objects to use, and experience level 1. One exhibits traps you inside a multi-level ancient Egyptian pyramid which you must escape by fighting, mapping and puzzle solving. Another exhibit traps you in a mine that has been taken over by creeping plant vines and pods, while the local humans have been transformed into plant zombies. This is a single level maze that requires you to rescue some humans, kill the head plant alien, and figuere out how to kill the very tuff plant zombies that are always showing up. This is perhaps the most horrifying exhibit. Another exhibit puts you into Jack The Ripper England where you appear by the corpse of a fresh Ripper victim, and of course the police think you are responsible. You must avoid police and angry mobs to unravel the mystery of The Ripper and meet him face to face - but first get a disquise. The last exhibit pus you in a graveyard where most of the challenge is in learning to stop the almost indestructible zombies. Over all the VGA graphics and music are very effective in setting a creepy tone for the game, as was the case for the Elvira games, though gameplay is much improved and makes for a much more enjoyable game. I heartily recommend it for RPG and Horror fans. ********************************************************* - All prices include shipping. - All games are in excellent condition unless otherwise stated. - US buyers only please. - All games will be shipped inside a box with packing, insured, priority USPS. - All games include all original materials including box, manual, disks, and registration unless otherwise noted. The first responder offering asking price is guarenteed to get the game. Those just asking questions get no priority until they offer to buy the game. Lower offers may be considered assuming no other offers at asking price are made. ********************************************************** -- Sam Bauer | Hewlett Packard Co., (719)-531-4460 | Network Test Division smb@col.hp.com | Colorado Springs,CO ";-1;0 "From: ac942@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Gregoire) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Reply-To: ac942@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Gregoire) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 52 Somebody wrote: >I'd *LOVE* to see a European NHL division but can't see it happen for some >time. There's simply not enough fan interest at the moment in several >""crucial"" markets like Germany, Italy and France while Sweden and Finland >probably can't afford to shell out $20-$30 for tickets the way >American/Canadian fans do. Call it ""the Minnesota North Stars"" effect: >Scandinavians do love hockey but we prefer to watch local, inexpensive >hockey to the NHL. The National Hockey League should love the idea, though. >Pan-European TV channels such as Eurosport could bring in the millions the >American networks likely never will pay. This brings up a question I asked myself (no answer) when it was mentionned that the NHL could expand in Europe. Would most of the North-americans now playing in the NHL be willing to play for a team in Europe? I do not think that the majority of hockey players are necessarily interested in expanding their cultural experience to that level. (I know I would but I am not a pro hockey player) When one recalls some players remarks in the last few years it makes me wonder how a European expansion could be achieved. Remember these: - Lindros did not want to play in Quebec (for more than $ reasons) - Nicholls ... in Edmonton. - R. Courtnall wanted to be traded to LA only. - C. Lemieux said he would refuse to go to Edmonton earlier this year. I know there are many non-cultural reasons behind these but there is more: - Some american players who played for the Expos complained about the french fact and that the city was not quite like the other US cities. One players' wife trying to make her point went on to complain that she could not even find her favorite brand of nacho chips in Montreal. Anybody knows what happened when all these US football players moved to London, Spain, etc .. for the one year of that new football league (2 years ago?) I wonder what the players association thinks about going to Europe. Myself I would like to see some European teams, but what would be the best way to do it? Marc ";-1;0 "From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: An invisible God! Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr17.152833.7811@maths.tcd.ie> pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes: >jmeritt@mental.MITRE.ORG (Jim Meritt - System Admin) writes: >> God CAN be seen: >> ""And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts."" >Wot? God's a mooner? Such lunacy! >(Gee, maybe there's something in this Christianity thing after all - >maybe God is John Belushi from ""Animal House"") The SuperNatural One wants to have a personal relationship with you. JHVH-1, come quick! ";-1;0 "From: gawne@stsci.edu Subject: Re: Vulcan? (No, not the guy with the ears!) Distribution: na Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute Lines: 42 In article , victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes: > Does anyone have any info on the apparent sightings of Vulcan? > > All that I know is that there were apparently two sightings at > drastically different times of a small planet that was inside Mercury's > orbit. Beyond that, I have no other info. The sightings were apparently spurious. There is no planet inside of the orbit of Mercury. The idea of Vulcan came from the differences between Mercury's observed perihelion precession and the value it should have had according to Newtonian physics. Leverrier made an extensive set of observations and calculations during the mid 19th century, and Simon Newcombe later improved on the observations and re-calculated using Leverrier's system of equations. Now Leverrier was one of the co-discoverers of Neptune and since he had predicted its existence based on anomalies in the orbit of Uranus his inclination was to believe the same sort of thing was afoot with Mercury. But alas, 'twere not so. Mercury's perihelion precesses at the rate it does because the space where it resides near the sun is significantly curved due to the sun's mass. This explanation had to wait until 1915 and Albert Einstein's synthesis of his earlier theory of the electrodynamics of moving bodies (commonly called Special Relativity) with Reimanian geometry. The result was the General Theory of Relativity, and one of it's most noteworthy strengths is that it accounts for the precession of Mercury's perihelion almost exactly. (Exactly if you use Newcomb's numbers rather than Leverrier's.) Of course not everybody believes Einstein, and that's fine. But subsequent efforts to find any planets closer to the sun than Mercury using radar have been fruitless. -Bill Gawne ""Forgive him, he is a barbarian, who thinks the customs of his tribe are the laws of the universe."" - G. J. Caesar Any opinions are my own. Nothing in this post constitutes an official statement from any person or organization. ";-1;0 "From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: We're from the government and we're here to help you Summary: Historical examples and the US Constitution Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 76 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <1993Apr8.200326.27560@infonode.ingr.com> albeaj@jima.b17d.ingr.com (Jim Albea) writes: > > >In article <1993Mar24.235606.15959@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: > >Ouch, now that really hurts. I'm being accused of no breadth nor depth >to my historical knowledge because I'm unwilling to agree that economic >inequality leads to poverty and from there to ""social and political >instability"". You go read your history again. POVERTY is the main >engine of social instability (in this context, we'll put aside religious >turmoil, mass migrations, etc.). Well, the fact of the matter is that poverty is imperfectly related to social and political instability, while economic inequality is much more strongly related. In virtually all major revolutions including England (the Puritan revolution), France, Russia and China, the revolutions occurred as economies were undergoing substantial long term growth and poverty was declining. What sets off revolutions is massive inequality coupled with a perception on the part of those at the bottom that social change is possible. If ""poverty (were) the main engine of social instability,"" this typical historical pattern would not hold. In fact, revolutions would have been far more typical before the nineteenth century than since that time. [Much deleted...] >|> Gee, Jim, if you'll check the Constitution you'll find ""in order to... >|> promote the general welfare...do ordain and establish this Constitution..."" >|> I'm surprised you missed it. It's right there in the first paragraph. I >|> would have thought you would have made it at least through the preamble. > >You almost got it right, and it was a good try, but you should follow your >own advice. The PREAMBLE to the CONSTITUTION does read as you have quoted >but let us not forget that after all it is only the preamble. It is not >a binding part of the Constitution and carries no weight in the law. That >poor tortured paragraph has got to be one of the most unfortunate passages >in the English language - witness the legions of blowhards like yourself who >think those vague flowery phrases are part of the law of the land. Do you >really believe that a politician only has to give lip service to ""promoting >the general welfare"" to be within the limits of the constitution? Sorry, buddy, but some other ""blowhards"" managed to include the ""general welfare"" in another portion of the constitution. Article I Section 8: ""The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes...to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and GENERAL WELFARE of the United States..."" I guess they wanted to make sure everyone understood they meant what they said in the preamble. >Just to make sure you've got the point, let's do a little experiment. What >if the constitution read as follows? > >Preamble: We the people, to promote the general Welfare, do ordain > and establish this Constitution for the United States of > America. > >Constitution: The Federal Government shall have one function and one > function only - to provide for the defense of the nation. > But as noted above, the constitution doesn't say that, does it? >The government would not then have two functions: defense and Welfare. But since it explicitly includes both the general welfare and defense in Article I, Section 8, I guess you'll grant that botha are constitutional functions. Right? jsh -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 ";-1;0 "From: gutenkun@fzi.de (Kai Gutenkunst) Subject: Archie-Client ? Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany Lines: 4 Distribution: world Reply-To: gutenkun@fzi.de NNTP-Posting-Host: ikarus.fzi.de xgetftp-1.2 needs an archie client program. Does anybody know, where I can get it? Thanks in advance, Kai ";-1;0 "From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron) Subject: Re: Latest on Branch Davidians Reply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 36 In article , conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) wrote: > > > I think it's really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere > man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet. I'll pose a question here that's got me thinking: what distinguishes ""true"" religion from cults (I'm speaking generally here, not specifially about Christianity)? Jerry Falwell was on Good Morning America on Tuesday ostensibly to answer this question. Basically, he said that true religion follows a message whereas a cult follows a person. But, then, Christianity is a cult because the message of Christianity IS the person of Jesus. So what distinguishes, for example, the Branch Davidian ""cult"" from the Presbyterian ""church""? Doctrinal differences don't answer the question, IMHO, so don't use them as an answer. -- Scott at Brandeis ""But God demonstrates His ""The Lord bless you, and keep you; own love for us, in that the Lord make His face shine on you, while we were yet sinners, and be gracious to you; Christ died for us."" the Lord lift up His countenance on you, and give you peace."" -- Romans 5:8 [NASB] -- Numbers 6:24-26 [NASB] [There have been some attempts to characterize ""cult"". Most commonly it uses characteristics involving high pressure, brainwashing techniques, etc. But some people characterize it by doctrinal error. In the end I'm afraid it becomes a term with no precise meaning that's used primarily to dismiss groups as not worthy of serious consideration. That doesn't mean that there aren't groups that do highly irresponsible things and have serious doctrinal errors. But past discussions have not suggested to me that ""cult"" is a very helpful term. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: brifre1@ac.dal.ca Subject: Re: Goalie masks Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Lines: 22 In article <93102@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: > > I'm starting an informal poll on goalie masks. I'd like to know > who's mask you think looks the best. I've always like Curtis Joseph's > of the Blues the best. Anyway, send your nominations to me, or post your > vote here on r.s.h. My e-mail adress is: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu > > Thanks for your time. I saw a mask once that had drawings of band-aids, presumably for every puck that goalie stopped with his face/head. I can't remember who it was or even if it was NHL (I see quite a few AHL games here). This is by far the funniest mask I've seen, and for me funny=cool > > -- > GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite > GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More > GO HORNETS! || > GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu Barfly ";13;1 "From: gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon) Subject: Re: Intel, the Pentium and Linux Article-I.D.: openage.1993Apr04.175934.8526 Organization: Open Age, Inc. Lines: 40 INABU@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Arnd Burghardt) writes: >Hi folks, > >Yesterday i visited the CEBIT (hannover, germany), where Intel was presenting >the Pentium (586) processor. They had four (in words 4) machines with this >beast running. So they presented it nicely (unly by running picture shows), >this i could do on a 80286 ;-)). The presentor promised it to be binary >compatible to the i486, and I said I don't believe. I showed him a ONE_DISK_ >Linux-System (Emergency disk, with patched lilo to boot from disk), and said >him : Convice me, boot this : No guts, no glory ! A he decided no glory. >He won't let anybody touch his holy cows, and not even boot a suspect OS. > >I thought by myself 'This is the coward of the day' and went back to earth. > >What cn we learn : this technology is far from industrial-standarts, so you >can expect this beast in your local computer-shop at least in spring next >year.... > >only my 2cents.... Yes only your $00.02. Here's mine. If I were running at a new chip at a Trade show, and had little to no real technical knowledge, I wouldn't let some stranger with a diskette boot my demo machine. If the demo machine is down too long people will not see my nice demos, and if this purposted LINUX diskette is really something that will wipe the disk, or is loaded with a VIRUS!, I'm in deep trouble. No marketer in their right mind would let you do this, unless they had specifically invited people to do so, and provided machines to do it with. We can we learn : This technology will be shipping from PC vendors in May 1993, and will be i486 compatible. -- The Golden Gryphon gryphon@openage.COM ""The Crown Jewel of the American Prison System."" - President Bill Clinton on living in The White House. Openage - The Premier SCO UNIX integrator in the Washington D.C. area ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: ALT.SEX.STORIES under Literary Critical Analysis :-) Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 16 In article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) wrote: > I'm going to try to do something here, that perhaps many would > not have thought even possible. I want to begin the process of > initiating a literary critical study of the pornography posted on > alt.sex.stories, to identify the major themes and motifs present > in the stories posted there -- opening up then the possibility of > an objective moral evaluation of the material present there. Dennis, I'm astounded. I didn't know you were interested to even study such filth as alt.sex.stories provide... Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "Subject: Looking for MS-DOS crypto programs From: EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) Organization: La Trobe University X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 11 I am a new reader of sci.crypt I would like to obtain a copy of a public domain program that can encrypt files, preferably using DES, that runs under MS-DOS. I would also like to obtain a program which will password protect floppy disks, if this is possible. Thanks. David Maddison Melbourne, Australia ";-1;0 "From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: CNN for sale Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 40 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu In article <93106.21394634AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: |In article <2001.150.uupcb@yob.sccsi.com>, jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) |says: |> |> Bill Vojak: |> |> BV>I read in the paper yestarday that Ted Turner wants to ""trim"" down |> BV>his media holdings and is putting CNN up for sale. The #1 potential |> BV>bidder? TIME/Warner of course. Sigh . . . . . Just what we need. :-( |> |> Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band |> together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast |> the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two... |> |I would like to see this happen. I don't think it will. I don't |think the average gun-owner will take any notice of what is happening |until they break down HIS door. | |BUT I will go on record publicly to the effect that I will contribute a |minimum of $1,000.00 to the buy-out fund if it can be organized and made |viable. Anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is? :) |There ar 50+ MILLION gun owners out there. If - and it's a big and |not very realistic if - we got hold of CNN, the anti-gun bullshit would |STOP RIGHT THERE. Why won't it happen - because nobody will get off their |ass and MAKE it happen. Nuts. I will join the ranks here. If someone has the ability to actually put this thing together and get enough support, I'll also contribute $1000 to the effort. And jeeze, people, I'm a *student*, with *no job* yet, and I will put up my own hard-earned savings if it means we have a shot at getting the truth told on the airwaves. Count me in. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * ";-1;0 "From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Distribution: usa Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 59 ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes: >dhk@ubbpc.uucp (Dave Kitabjian) writes ... >>I'm sure Intel and Motorola are competing neck-and-neck for >>crunch-power, but for a given clock speed, how do we rank the >>following (from 1st to 6th): >> 486 68040 >> 386 68030 >> 286 68020 >040 486 030 386 020 286 How about some numbers here? Some kind of benchmark? If you want, let me start it - 486DX2-66 - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 . >>While you're at it, where will the following fit into the list: >> 68060 >> Pentium >> PowerPC >060 fastest, then Pentium, with the first versions of the PowerPC >somewhere in the vicinity. Numbers? Pentium @66MHz - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 . PowerPC @66MHz - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 . (Note this is the 601) (Alpha @150MHz - 74 SPECint92,126 SPECfp92 - just for comparison) >>And about clock speed: Does doubling the clock speed double the >>overall processor speed? And fill in the __'s below: >> 68030 @ __ MHz = 68040 @ __ MHz >No. Computer speed is only partly dependent of processor/clock speed. >Memory system speed play a large role as does video system speed and >I/O speed. As processor clock rates go up, the speed of the memory >system becomes the greatest factor in the overall system speed. If >you have a 50MHz processor, it can be reading another word from memory >every 20ns. Sure, you can put all 20ns memory in your computer, but >it will cost 10 times as much as the slower 80ns SIMMs. Not in a clock-doubled system. There isn't a doubling in performance, but it _is_ quite significant. Maybe about a 70% increase in performance. Besides, for 0 wait state performance, you'd need a cache anyway. I mean, who uses a processor that runs at the speed of 80ns SIMMs? Note that this memory speed corresponds to a clock speed of 12.5 MHz. >And roughly, the 68040 is twice as fast at a given clock >speed as is the 68030. Numbers? >-- >Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth >ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche -- Ravikumar Venkateswar rvenkate@uiuc.edu A pun is a no' blessed form of whit. ";0;1 "From: dewey@risc.sps.mot.com (Dewey Henize) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: rtfm.sps.mot.com In article <1993Apr15.212943.15118@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes: [deletions] > >The fatwa was levelled at the person of Rushdie - any actions of >Rushdie that feed the situation contribute to the legitimization of >the ruling. The book remains in circulation not by some independant >will of its own but by the will of the author and the publishers. The fatwa >against the person of Rushdie encompasses his actions as well. The >crime was certainly a crime in progress (at many levels) and was being >played out (and played up) in the the full view of the media. > >P.S. I'm not sure about this but I think the charge of ""shatim"" also >applies to Rushdie and may be encompassed under the umbrella >of the ""fasad"" ruling. If this is grounded firmly in Islam, as you claim, then you have just exposed Islam as the grounds for terrorism, plain and simple. Whether you like it or not, whether Rushdie acted like a total jerk or not, there is no acceptable civilized basis for putting someone in fear of their life for words. It simply does not matter whether his underlying motive was to find the worst possible way he could to insult Muslims and their beliefs, got that? You do not threaten the life of someone for words - when you do, you quite simply admit the backruptcy of your position. If you support threatening the life of someone for words, you are not yet civilized. This is exactly where I, and many of the people I know, have to depart from respecting the religions of others. When those beliefs allow and encourage (by interpretation) the killing of non-physical opposition. You, or I or anyone, are more than privledged to believe that someone, whether it be Rushdie or Bush or Hussien or whover, is beyond the pale of civilized society and you can condemn his/her soul, refuse to allow any members of your association to interact with him/her, _peacably_ demonstrate to try to convince others to disassociate themselves from the ""miscreants"", or whatever, short of physical force. But once you physically threaten, or support physical threats, you get much closer to your earlier comparison of rape - with YOU as the rapist who whines ""She asked for it, look how she was dressed"". Blaming the victim when you are unable to be civilized doesn't fly. Dew -- Dewey Henize Sys/Net admin RISC hardware (512) 891-8637 pager 928-7447 x 9637 ";-1;0 "From: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet) Subject: Re: Die Koresh Die! Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 In article <1r04h8$q5a@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> tim@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Tim Tyler) writes: > I was hoping that --however the situation was resolved-- the >property would remain intact, so the gov't could sell it to help pay for the >hundreds of thousands of dollars of expenses incurred having to babysit >Krazy Koresh & his flock of sheep. > In some South American countries, after political undesirables disappeared, the family would get a notice of death and a bill for the disposal of the body. You apparently think that would be a good idea. The Federal Government initiated this action against Koresh and his followers, surrounded them for 51 days, engaged in psychological warfare, used heavy military equipment against US citizens on US soil; and now that the compound caught fire while they were pumping in CS gas after knocking holes in the building; disavows all responsibility. Big Brother is NOT always right. *** Paul Eric Stoufflet *** Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center *** internet: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu *** All opinions are my own ";-1;0 "From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Zionism is Racism Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 17 In article <20APR93.23565659.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA000 writes: >In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought >Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct >the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily >(the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article >saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail. > >Steve > I know this paper well, and see it for the exercise in selective morality and judgement it is. Until such time as it recognizes that *any* religiously based government is racist, exclusionary and simply built on a philosophy of ""separate but equal"" second-class treatment of minorities, it will continue to be known for its bias. If Jewish nationalism is racism, so is Islam; anywhere where people are allotted ""different rights"" according to race, religion or culture is ""racist"". ";-1;0 "From: dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David F. Newman) Subject: arcade style buttons and joysticks Organization: Division of Academic Computing, Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115 USA Lines: 8 Hi there, Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would be greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance. -Dave dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu ";-1;0 "From: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet (larry silverberg) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Reply-To: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet Organization: University of Albany, SUNY Lines: 126 In article , noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >In article rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes: >>In article davpa@ida.liu.se (David Partain) writes: > >>>Someone I know has recently been diagnosed as having Candida Albicans, >>>a disease about which I can find no information. Apparently it has something >>>to do with the body's production of yeast while at the same time being highly >>>allergic to yeast. Can anyone out there tell me any more about it? I have a lot of info about this disease. I am posting a small amount of it that I extracted. If more is required, e-mail me @ ls8139@gemini.albany.edu. Please, it takes me some time to upload it, so be advised, only request it if you *really* want it. here is some info from InfoTrac - Health Reference Center Also, check you local of univeristy library. They most likely have the InfoTrac cd-rom this info was taken from...... ==================================== InfoTrac - Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 Heading: CANDIDA ALBICANS !Dictionary Definition 1. Mosby's Medical and Nursing Dictionary, 2nd edition COPYRIGHT 1986 The C.V. Mosby Company Candida albicans ------------------------------------------------------- A common, budding, yeastlike, microscopic fungal organism normally present in the mucous membranes of the mouth, intestinal tract, and vagina and on the skin of healthy people. Under certain circumstances, it may cause superficial infections of the mouth or vagina and, less commonly, serious invasive systemic infection and toxic reaction. See also candidiasis. ============================== InfoTrac - Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 THE MATERIAL CONTAINED IN Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 IS PROVIDED ONLY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL ADVICE OR INSTRUCTION. CONSULT YOUR HEALTH PROFESSIONAL FOR ADVICE RELATING TO A MEDICAL PROBLEM OR CONDITION. Heading: CANDIDA ALBICANS 1. Yogurt cure for Candida. (acidophilus) il v22 East West Natural Health July-August '92 p17(1) TEXT AVAILABLE TEXT COPYRIGHT East West Partners 1992 Another folk remedy receives the blessing of medical study. Researchers have found that eating a cup of yogurt a day drastically reduces a woman's chances of getting vaginal candida, a yeast infection. For the year-long study, researchers at Long Island Jewish Medical Center in New Hyde Park, New York, recruited 13 women who suffered from chronic yeast infections. For the first 6 months, the women each day ate 8 ounces of yogurt containing Lactobacillus acidophilus. For the second 6 months, the women did not eat yogurt. The researchers examined the women each month and found that incidents of colonization and infection were significantly lower during the period when the women ate yogurt. The fungus Candida albicans can live in the body without doing harm. It is an overproliferation of the fungus that leads to infection. The researchers concluded that the L. acidophilus bacteria found in some brands of yogurt retard overgrowth of the fungus. Streptococcus thermophilus and L. bulgaricus are the two bacteria most commonly used in commercial yogurt production. Neither one appears to exert a protective effect against Candida albicans, however. Women who want to try yogurt as a preventive measure should choose a brand that lists acidophilus in its contents. --- end --- =================================== InfoTrac - Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 THE MATERIAL CONTAINED IN Health Reference Center ~ Oct '89 - Oct '92 IS PROVIDED ONLY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL ADVICE OR INSTRUCTION. CONSULT YOUR HEALTH PROFESSIONAL FOR ADVICE RELATING TO A MEDICAL PROBLEM OR CONDITION. Heading: CANDIDA ALBICANS 1. Candida (Monilia). (Infections Caused by Fungi) (Infectious Diseases) by Harold C. Neu The Columbia Univ. Coll. of Physicians & Surgeons Complete Home Medical Guide Edition 2 '89 p472(1) TEXT AVAILABLE TEXT COPYRIGHT Crown Publishers Inc. 1989 Candida (Monilia) This disease is usually caused by Candida albicans, a fungus that we all carry at one time or another. In some circumstances, though, the organisms proliferate, producing symptomatic infection of the mouth, intestines, vagina, or skin. When the mouth or vagina are infected, the disease is commonly called thrush. Vaginitis caused by Candida often afflicts women on birth control pills or antibiotics. There is itching and a white, cheesy discharge. Among narcotic addicts, Candida infections can lead to heart valve inflammation. Diagnosis of Candida infections is confirmed by cultures and blood tests. Treatment can be with amphotericin B or orally with ketoconazole. There is no evidence that Candida in the intestine of normal individuals leads to disease. All people at one time or another have Candida in their intestines. Claims for any benefit from special diets or chronic antifungal agents is not based on any solid evidence. --- end --- ========================== I hope this is informative. Larry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Live From New York, It's SATURDAY NIGHT... Tonight's special guest: Lawrence Silverberg from The State University of New York @ Albany aka:ls8139@gemini.Albany.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";-1;0 "From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) Subject: Re: Vulcan? No, not Spock or Haphaestus Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 16 Distribution: world Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov > Another legend with the name Vulcan was the planet, much like Earth, > in the same orbit There was a Science fiction movie sometime ago (I do not remember its name) about a planet in the same orbit of Earth but hidden behind the Sun so it could never be visible from Earth. Turns out that that planet was the exact mirror image of Earth and all its inhabitants looked like the Earthings with the difference that their organs was in the opposite side like the heart was in the right side instead in the left and they would shake hands with the left hand and so on... C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov Claudio Oliveira Egalon ";-1;0 "From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 19 In article <2BD0BDC3.25868@news.service.uci.edu> raman@translab.its.uci.edu (Balaji V. Ramanathan) writes: > The part about spending $5000-7000 on repairs reminds me >of an article I read in a magazine comparing the 5 year ownership costs >of a Toyota Camry and a Ford Taurus or something like that. The result, >which they announced with great flourish was that it cost the same at the >end of the period. That was their argument to prove that you don't go >wrong buying the Ford Taurus over the Camry. > > Now, if I remember correctly, the Camry costs about $4000 or so more >in initial costs. Essentially, it means that you spend about $4000 extra >on repairs on the Taurus. That is ridiculous. Every time your car >needs repairs, it is extra hassles, loss of time and a dozen other things. >I would much rather spend $5000 more in initial costs than spend $4000 more >in repair costs. did you account for depreciation? i seriously doubt that a taurus would rack up an extra $4000 in repair costs over 5 years. -teddy ";-1;0 "From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4 Lines: 23 tbrent@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: : : Probably not. But then, I don't pack heavy weaponry with intent to use it. : You don't really think he should have been allowed to keep that stuff do : you? If so, tell me where you live so I can be sure to steer well clear. I understand that they had the neccessary licenses and permits to own automatic weapons. : The public also has rights, and they should be placed above those of the : individual. Go ahead, call me a commie, but you'd be singing a different : tune if I exercised my right to rape your daughter. He broke the law, he : was a threat to society, they did there job - simple. I haven't seen any proof (or even evidence) that the BD's had broken the law. If you have proof (or evidence), let's hear it. ""The FBI said so"" is NOT evidence. : : I'll support them all (except no. 2) I guess there will always be people who wish to be peasants. The politicians prefer unarmed peasants ";-1;0 "From: DSHAL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Clintons views on Jerusalem Organization: C.C.S.O. Lines: 10 It seems that President Clinton can recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol while still keeping his diplomatic rear door open by stating that the Parties concerned should decide the city's final status. Even as I endorse Clintons vie w (of course), it is definitely a matter to be decided upon by Israel (and other participating neighboring contries). I see no real conflict in stating both views, nor expect any better from politicians. ----- David Shalhevet / dshal@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu / University of Illinois Dept Anim Sci / 220 PABL / 1201 W. Gregory Dr. / Urbana, IL 61801 ";-1;0 "From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: Re: Bruins-Pens: the Ulf-Neeley fight Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 38 mattb@hawk.samsung.com (Matt Brown) writes: [more about the Messier-Samuelsson incident] >While this is true, strictly speaking, it was the Rocksteady replicant who >initially used his stick illegally to measure Messier's ribcage. There is no >question in my mind, from seeing the replay in slo-mo, that Ulf-2000 was >coming at Messier with intent-to-""hasta la vista"" in mind, and should have >been gone for that. > I agree with Rick that Ulf's cross check wasn't illegal. It was the kind of check you see a dozen times during a game without being called. Slo-mos sometimes have a tendency to make things look worse than they really are. Besides, if Messier can't take the heat, he should stay out of the kitchen. >So Staffan, how is Mattias Timmander doing this year? And any impression >on Markus Czeriew??? (lost my roster list) on Hammerby? Does it look like >they will make it to the Eliteserien for next year? And then get stomped >if Markus goes to Boston? > Well Matt, Mattias Timmander hasn't been playing with the MoDo elite league team yet (just the MoDo junior team), so I predict he needs a few more years here before he can join the B's. I saw him play in the Swedish championship game for junior players this year, and he played very well, a physical game, but not the kind of rough stuff that Ulfie does (I suspect you would like to have a Ulf type-of-player on the B's team too? :) As for Mariusz Czerkawski, he has had a *great* season for Hammarby in division 1. He scored -if I remember correctly- 93 points this season, and then we have to keep in mind that a 50+ point season in Sweden is considered *very good* due to the limited number of games. Mariusz is Djurgarden property (he was just on loan to Hammarby), so he will play in Elitserien next season, unless the B's can get him of course. I would say that Mariusz has to be one of the most exciting player to watch in Swedish hockey this season. Staffan -- ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey ";-1;0 "From: yvon@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Yvon Lavoie) Subject: Hot, Cold Streaks ??? Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 14 Ok guys, I need a list of the teams who have been hot or cold during the last 25 games. Doesn't need to be accurate, a rough guess will do. I'm about to enter a playoff pool and I want to know who is hot going into the playoffs. Don't need to mention Pittsburgh. They can't get any hotter than they are now. P.S. I need this by Sunday Yvon Lavoie ";-1;0 "From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) Subject: wife wants convertible Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110 Reply-To: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group Lines: 9 HELP!!! my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. We live in South Fla., so we are definitely in the right are for one. My wife has mentioned the Miata, but I think it is too small. I would like to wait for the new Mustangs ( Dec. '93 I think). Anyone have any opinions on any/all convertibles in a reasonable price range. Thanx ";-1;0 "From: naren@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Naren Bala) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 19 >snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > More horrible deaths resulted from atheism than anything else. > LIST OF KILLINGS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION 1. Iran-Iraq War: 1,000,000 2. Civil War in Sudan: 1,000,000 3, Riots in India-Pakistan in 1947: 1,000,000 4. Massacares in Bangladesh in 1971: 1,000,000 5. Inquistions in America in 1500s: x million (x=??) 6. Crusades: ?? I am sure that people can add a lot more to the list. I wonder what Bobby has to say about the above. Standard Excuses will not be accepted. -- Naren All standard disclaimers apply ";-1;0 "From: baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters) Subject: MathCad 4.0 swap file Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO Lines: 3 I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX. I have been running Windows without a swap file for several months. Will Mathcad 4.0 be happy with this, or insist on a swap file? ";-1;0 "From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: Truck tailgates/mileage Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 36 In article <1993Mar30.203846.85644@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jh03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JUN HE) writes: >In article <1993Mar26.221840.1204@nosc.mil>, koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. > Koziarz) writes: >>In article <51300059@hpscit.sc.hp.com> chrisw@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Chris Wiles) wr >ites: >> >> >>> Consumers report did a study I think and found that most >>>trucks got worse mileage with the tailgate off. The tailgates on the >>>newer trucks actually help. >> >>oh, sure they do... and replacing the front bumper and grille with a closet >>door helps mileage *and* cooling. *if* CR actually said that, then they have >>bigger fools working for them than the fools that believe their drivel... but, >>who am I to argue this? just someone that's been a pickup-driver for 20+ >>years, that's all. forget the 'net', just take off the tailgate on hiway trips >>since the nets aren't designed to nor capable of restraining a load in the bed >>anyway. around town, the tailgate will have a negligable effect on mileage >>anyway. >> >>Walt K. >> >They may help to improve mileage in some cases, I believe. With the tailgate >on the flow structure behind the cab may differ and the vortex drag may be >reduced during high speed driving. How about those toneau covers? I've been thinking of building one from chipboard for roadtrips. Any comment on how they affect mileage in highway travel? Charles -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person ";10;1 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >>To borrow from philosophy, you don't truly understand the color red >>until you have seen it. >Not true, even if you have experienced the color red you still might >have a different interpretation of it. But, you wouldn't know what red *was*, and you certainly couldn't judge it subjectively. And, objectivity is not applicable, since you are wanting to discuss the merits of red. keith ";-1;0 "From: Mel_Shear@maccomw.uucp Subject: Adapter Cable for VGA Monitors Lines: 51 Does anyone know who makes a cable or adapter that is wired according to Apple's specs that forces the external output on LC's and the Powerbook's 160/180 and Duo 230 into a true VGA style output signal? The NEC Adapter does not do this since their monitors are multisync they just route the signal into the correct pinout but do not switch the Macs output into VGA mode. Do I have to make one of these or does someone already have one made-up?? The following is the Apple spec for the LC cpu VGA Cable adapter. I'm assuming that the Powerbooks/Duos will work with the same adapter(?); Macintosh LC to VGA The Macintosh LC can supply a 640 x 480, VGA timed signal for use with VGA monitors by using an adapter cable. The standard Macintosh LC supports VGA to 16 colors, and with the optional 512K VRAM SIMM, the VGA monitor is supported to 256 colors. Note: The Macintosh LC supplies signals capable of driving TTL level inputs. However, some low impedance input VGA monitors do not work with the Macintosh LC. To connect a Macintosh LC to a VGA monitor, you need to make an adapter cable from the Macintosh LC video connector to the VGA monitor. Following is the pinout description for the adapter cable: Macintosh LC VGA Video Connector Pin Signal Name --------------- ---- ----------- 1 6 Red ground 2 1 Red video signal 5 2 Green video signal 6 7 Green ground 9 3 Blue video signal 13 8 Blue ground 15 13 /HSYNC 12 14 /VSYNC 14 10 HSYNC ground 7,10 nc SENSE1 & SENSE2 tied together VGA monitors are identified by shorting pin 7 to pin 10 on the Macintosh LC video connector. The Macintosh LC grounds pin 7 on its video connector, which results in pulling down pin 10 and gives the correct monitor ID for a VGA monitor. *************************************************************************** This message was created on MCW BBS a jointly supported by New Orleans Mac User Group & National Home & School User Group user@maccomw.uucp The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. *************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Sin Organization: Indiana University Lines: 22 Sorry for taking this off of Sharon's resp, but I'd also like to add some more verses to that and perhaps answer the second Q. Verses: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Colossians 3:5-10 As for knowing when, that's a bit tricky. People normally have consciences which warn them about it. However, as in my case, a conscience can be hardened by sin's deceitfulness (Hebrews 3:12:13) so that the person has no idea (or doesn't care about it) that they are sinning. Of course, there are those sins which we do when we don't know that they're sinful to begin with. Those take searching and examining of Scripture to find out that they are sinful and then repent and change. The best question to ask in every circumstance to judge sinful possibilities is: ""Would Jesus wholeheartedly do this at this point in time?"" I know, it sounds like a cop-out, but it truly is a stifling question. Joe Fisher Oh, I missed one. 1 John 1:8-2:11,15-23. ";17;1 "From: dgf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (david farley) Subject: Re: Permanaent Swap File with DOS 6.0 dbldisk Reply-To: dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 35 (stuff deleted) > >Be that what it may, I would really suggest to everyone to take the >opportunity to go to these Technical Workshops. They aren't actually >incredibly in-depth, but you do get a lot of material about bugs and >optimization straight from those in the know. Besides that they offer >you HUGE discounts on software. If I remember correctly, you could pick >up Word 2.0, Excel 4.0, or whatever their presentation program is for $130. >That is the full blown version, not an upgrade or educational version. You >could also pick up Microsoft Office for $500 or something like that. Myself >I sprang for Word. The value of these workshops aside, you ought to be able to buy full copies of all this software through your campus bookstore or software distributor at these rates. I'm not aware that the educational version of Word or Excel is doped down in any way. > >Well, hope that was helpful to someone. And besides that I hope someone >will go to a workshop and save a little money. > >And if anyone at Microsoft is reading this -- I really love your products. >I need a job once I graduate also, can we work something out? ;-) > >Thanks, >Brent Casavant >bcasavan@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu > -- David Farley The University of Chicago Library 312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210 dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Chicago, Illinois 60637 ";-1;0 "From: rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Reply-To: rcollins@encore.com Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com Lines: 62 steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: |> Let me try to drag this discussion back to the original issues. As |> I've noted before, I'm not necessarily disputing the benefits of |> eliminating anti-competitive legislation with regard to auto dealers, |> barbers, etc. One need not, however, swallow the entire libertarian |> agenda to accomplish this end. Just because one grants the benefits of |> allowing anyone who wishes to cut hair to sell his/her services without |> regulation does not mean that the same unregulated barbers should be |> free to bleed people as a medical service without government intervention. |> (As some/many libertarians would argue.) |> |> On a case by case basis, the cost/benefit ratio of government regulation |> is obviously worthwhile. The libertarian agenda, however, does not call |> for this assessment. It assumes that the costs of regulation (of any |> kind) always outweigh its benefits. This approach avoids all sorts of |> difficult analysis, but it strikes many of the rest of us as dogmatic, |> to say the least. |> |> I have no objection to an analysis of medical care, education, |> national defense or local police that suggests a ""free market"" can provide |> a more effective, efficient means of accomplishing social objectives |> than is provided through ""statist"" approaches. With some notable |> exceptions, however, I do not see such nitty-gritty, worthwhile |> analysis being carried out by self-professed libertarians. Excellently put! Even as a libertarian, I have to admit government does do some things I like. There is a beautiful performing arts complex in Ft. Lauderdale that was partially built with tax dollars (I don't know how much was private and how much was stolen, I mean public) but it is beautiful and I enjoy it. (Keep in mind, though, most of the people in the city will never attend a single performance there, so they might feel differently about having to help pay for it.) However, I have to disagree about it being desireable or efficient to give government intervention-power on a case-by-case basis. In fact, we have a lot better luck maintaining our freedom of speech precisely because it is not decided on a case-by-case basis as much as other issues. Judges decide whether political speech is allowed on the sidewalk in front of the post office. They do not try to decide just whether pro-nazi, pro-choice, pro-life, or pro-tax political speech should be allowed on the sidewalk in front of the post office. You can imagine the result if right to free speech was decided by the majority on a case-by-case basis. Not so with economic issues. Government does tell taxi-drivers exactly what they can charge, but not the bus lines or the lawyers. Just as it is not desireable to decide rights of free speech on a case-by-case basis, we should not decide rights to free enterprise on a case-by-case basis. There is hope that a government can be restricted from interferring with free enterprise. But there is no hope, in my opinion, of having a government that interferes with free enterprise in an ""efficient"" manner; I call it political market failure. Thus, if you value freedom and the abundance it produces, you have to swallow the ""whole libertarian agenda."" Roger Collins ";-1;0 "Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.58.96.14 From: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) Distribution: world Organization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department Subject: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers Lines: 18 I'm looking for a decent Windows news reader. I've given up on winvn 0.76 since it doesn't work very well with the winsock.dll of the IBM TCP/IP for DOS 2.1. What the status of Trumpet for Windows? Will it use the Windows sockets ? I liked it in DOS but had to abandon it since I started using NDIS to access our token ring (results in invalid class error :( Bye! Wim Van Holder Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Tel: ++32 (0)16/28.57.16 Departement T.E.W. FAX: ++32 (0)16/28.57.99 Dekenstraat 2 B-3000 Leuven E-mail: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be BELGIUM fdbaq03@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be ";-1;0 "From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: Why Spanky? Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 27 boone@psc.edu (Jon Boone) writes: >On Mon, 12 Apr 93 00:53:14 GMT in <<1993Apr12.005314.5700@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>> Greg Spira (gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote: >:>Does anybody in the Pittsburgh area know why Mike LaValliere was released? >:>Last year I kept saying that Slaught should get the bulk of the playing time, >:>that he was clearly the better player at this point, but Leyland insisted on >:>keeping a pretty strict platoon. And now he is released? That doesn't >:>make any sense to me. >Greg, > The story goes like this: > Spanky is too slow! If he were quicker, he would still be here. >But with Slaught and Tom Prince, they didn't want to lose Prince in order >to bring up that 11th pitcher. Slaught is about as good as Spanky and >Prince is coming along nicely! Well, my question still hasn't been answered: if Spanky was bad enough to release this year, why did he get so much playing time last year? Yes, I know he was part of a platoon, and that's why he got more playing time than Slaught, but that doesn't answer the question. If Slaught was so obviously better this year, wasn't this also obvious last year, and shouldn't he have been taking away some of Spanky's playing time against righties? Greg ";-1;0 "From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU Subject: Re: Water on the brain (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust) Originator: hasan@lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes: |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination. |> -- |> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org Mr. water-head, i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no water is being used on the lebanese side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head. Hasan ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Maine System From: Subject: Grateful Dead? Lines: 15 Being a baseball fan and a fan of the above mentioned band I was wondering if anyone could clue me in on whether the Dead (or members of) sang the national anthem at todays Giant opener? I would imagine that it is a bit too early for anyone to know, but an answer would be greatly appreciated. Curious, Robert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ROBERT MARGESSON UMAINE HOCKEY 156 PARK ST. C5 BLACK BEARS ORONO, ME 04473 1993 NCAA CHAMPS (207)866-7342 42-1-2 ";-1;0 "From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: What are the problems with Nutrasweet (Aspartame)? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 11 Phenylketonuria is a disease in which the body cannot process phenylalanine. It can build up in the blood and cause seizures and neurological damage. An odd side effect is that the urine can be deeply colored, like red wine. People with the condition must avoid Nutrasweet, chocolate, and anything else rich in phenylalanine. Aspartame is accused of having caused various vague neurological symptoms. Pat Robertson's program _The_700_Club_ was beating the drum against aspartame rather vigorously for about a year, but that issue seems to have been pushed to the back burner for the last year or so. Apparently, the evidence is not very strong, or Pat would still be flailing away. ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Maine System From: Andrew T. Robinson Subject: Reasons for hospitals to join Internet? Lines: 8 What resources and services are available on Internet/BITNET which would be of interest to hospitals and other medical care providers? I'm interested in anything relelvant, including institutions and businesses of interest to the medical profession on Internet, special services such as online access to libraries or diagnostic information, etc. etc. Please reply directly to ANDY@MAINE.EDU ";-1;0 "From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 61 In article <1r1rad$7rl@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: [The original question was about who started the fire and whether the ""madmen"" were inside or outside the compound. To which I replied on the possible sanity level of those inside and outside.] > >> According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off >> began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh >> had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound. >> These were the ""perfect children"" resulting from the ""great seed"" of >> his ""magnified horn"". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar >> to the way Jim Jones has been described. > >Point noted. Have you submitted YOUR faith and sex life for BATF clearance? >Better hurry; I believe the deadline was April 15. I paid my taxes. There was no reference to sex or religion on the form. The comments above and below were meant to address who might be unstable enough to keep children in a building with tear gas or start a fire. >> FBI agents have to pass rigorous psychological examinations and background >> checks. Plus, those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain their >> decisions in great detail to congress. Why would the FBI want to fulfill >> Koresh's own prophecy? > >And nevertheless, they hit all their marks and read all the scripted lines. >Well, it sure beats the hell out of me. Maybe Thoreau had a clue when he >said, ""It is impossible to make anything foolproof, because fools are so >ingenious."" I agree that the BATF handled the affair badly. >> >:Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set >> >:by cult members. >> > >> >Correction: The *FBI* said that two of the cult members said this; so far, >> >no one else has been able to talk to them. >> >> So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same details, >> will you believe them? > >Believe them? I won't even RECOGNIZE them. And neither will anyone else >who doesn't know them personally. Do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras? At this point, we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors. Best wait til more light is shed upon them. Of course, this is no good if you believe in eternal darkness. >-- > >cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, >OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... > -- ";3;1 "From: petro@server.uwindsor.ca (PETRO DAVID ) Subject: Shareware Distribution: comp.graphics Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada Lines: 20 Recently I saw the latest Computer Shopper and in it there was an article on nice shareware graphics programs. They looked pretty good and of the 6 listed in the article, one I had (Graphics Workshop), one I found via archie (Draft Choice - old version though) and the rest I couldn't find. So if there is anyone that knows where I can get the following programs via anonymous ftp, please let me know. Adkins Graphics :AG1.ZIP, AG2.ZIP Draft Choice (latest VGA version) : DRAFTC.ZIP Envision Publisher: ENVIS1.ZIP, ENVIS2.ZIP Neopaint: NEOPNT.ZIP Thanx in advance. D.PETRO -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > DAVID PETRO KWYJIBO-- A big, dumb, balding < > Dept. of Physics North American ape. < > University of Windsor petro@server.uwindsor.ca < ";-1;0 "From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) Subject: Re: Wanted: Rat cell line (adrenal gland/cortical c.) Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu Keywords: adrenal_gland cortical_cell cell_line rat In article roos@Operoni.Helsinki.FI (Christophe Roos) writes: >I am looking for a rat cell line of adrenal gland / cortical cell -type. I >have been looking at ATCC without success and would very much appreciate any >help. I shot off a response to this last night that I've tried to cancel. It was only a few minutes later while driving home that I remembered that your message does specifically say cortical. My first reaction had been to suggest the PC12 pheochromocytoma line. That may still be a good compromise, depending on what you're doing. Have you concidered using a mouse cell line from one of the SV40 T antigen transgenic lines? Another alternative might be primary cells from bovine adrenal cortex. Mike ";-1;0 "From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy Article-I.D.: news.C51sMA.AnC Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 75 cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang) writes: >In article , fredd@shuksan (Fred Dickey) writes: >|> CarolinaFan@uiuc (cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: >|> : >|> : The biggest problem some people seem to be having is that Saturn >|> : Dealers make ~$2K on a car. I think most will agree with me that the car is >|> : comparably priced with its competitors, that is, they aren't overpriced >|> : compared to most cars in their class. I don't understand the point of >|> : arguing over whether the dealer makes the $2K or not? >|> >|> I have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either. >|> The only thing that I can figure out is that people believe that if >|> they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out-of-pocket >|> expenses for the car. While this may be true in some cases, I do not >|> believe that it is generally true. I bought a Saturn SL in January of '92. >|> AT THAT TIME, based on studying car prices, I decided that there was >|> no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the Saturn. Sure, maybe I >|> could have talked the price for some other car to the Saturn price, but >|> my out-of-pocket expenses wouldn't have been any different. What's important >|> to me is how much money I have left after I buy the car. REDUCING DEALER PROFIT >|> IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAVING MONEY! Show me how reducing dealer profit >|> saves me money, and I'll believe that it's important. My experience has >|> been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money. >|> >|> Fred >Say, you bought your Saturn at $13k, with a dealer profit of $2k. >If the dealer profit is $1000, then you would only be paying $12k for >the same car. So isn't that saving money? Yes. But the point is that prices are competetive. Saturn may well be selling a car intended on giving the dealer a $2000 profit, but since a comperable Honda with $500 profit is more expensive, it may be well worth it to buy the Saturn. >Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000, >then their cars will be even better deals. Say, if the price of a Saturn was >already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they >reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average. It will: >1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY. > >2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive. >Now, not only will Saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit, even >the buyers for other cars will pay less. Not necessarily. It seems to me that Saturn salesdroids, who don't make a commision, whereas their counterparts at other dealerships generally do, make more $$ per hour or whatever. This means that Saturn doesn't give up the profit to their employees through commision, which IS taken out of per- car profits. They just pass it along to less pressureing salesmen/women. >Isn't that saving money? Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on accounting practices. I'd rather pay more for dealer service that doesn't cut corners to contain costs... >$0.02, >doug. $2/100 CKA '87 (Carolina) Blue Honda Civic DX -- Chintan Amin The University of Illinois/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu ****************************************************************************** *""Because he was human Because he had goodness Because he was moral* ***************They called him insane..."" Peart ""Cinderella Man""************* ";-1;0 "From: cmsph02@nt.com (Steven Holton) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc. Lines: 25 In article <1r1f62$rh5@news.intercon.com>, amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) wrote: > One thing that Clipper offers is interoperability, at a higher degree of > security than we currently have in non-proprietary voice encryption systems. > This means it will be cheaper than anyone's proprietary scheme, and easier to ^^^^^^^ Probably cheaper than you think. I'll bet some of my (and yours) tax dollars become a subsidy for these chips. If these chips don't sell well, what's to stop the US government from 'giving' them away (in the interest of National Security)? > deploy. This is, of course, either a bug or a feature depending on how you > look at it :). > > Amanda Walker > InterCon Systems Corporation -- Steven P. Holton Network Administrator - RTP FAST Northern Telecom, Inc. Replies To: cmsph02@nt.com on bounce: [ sholton@aol.com | 70521.2430@compuserve.com ] ""Opinions expressed here are my own."" ";-1;0 "From: ubs@carson.u.washington.edu (University Bookstore) Subject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message? Article-I.D.: shelley.1qs4fjINN74f Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan-1) writes: > >Hi there, > >Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for >C650 regarding fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 >has the message ""fpu: optional"". I know from what we've discussed in this >newsgroup that all C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 >configuration. Why would they be so unclear about this issue in their >price list? >I'm planning to buy the C650 8/230/cd pretty soon, but I'm now getting >confused with whether it comes with fpu or not. >Why say ""optional"" if it's built in? >Please, anybody help me understand this game. > >Regards, > >Thian. > If you get the Centris 650 with CD configuration, you are getting a Mac with a 68RC040 processor that has built-in math coprocessor support. My understanding is that the ""optional fpu"" refers to your option of purchasing the Centris 650 4/80 without FPU OR one of the other configurations WITH FPU. Apple does not offer an upgrade from the non-FPU system to become an FPU system. And, it is unclear whether the '040 processor on the non-FPU system (a 68LC040) can be replaced with a 68RC040 supplied by another vendor. Apple did send a memo out at one point sating that the Centris 610, which ONLY comes with a non-FPU 68LC040 processor CANNOT be upgraded to support an FPU - the pin configurations of the two chips apparently do not match so you cannot swap one for another (again, according to Apple's memo). Hope that helps. Kevin Lohman University Book Store, University of Washington Buyer for the UW Apple Computers for Education Program ";-1;0 "From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required? Nntp-Posting-Host: birdie.i88.isc.com Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr14.215154.20143@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.144151.11137@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes: >>(Sorry, I lost the attributions. >>|In most areas, drivers are required to show proof of financial >>|responsibility, which usually means insurance. >> >>Required how? When they get pulled over? Most drivers, bellyaching on the >>net aside, don't get pulled over and checked. The laws are enforceable >>only after the fact, in which case often somebody is out a lot of money. > >Don't you have any requirement for yearly plate stickers in the US???? In >Ontario and Manitoba for sure and the other provinces (i think) you have >to show proof of insurnace when you renew your plate (ie get a new sticker). Yes. Unfortunately, there is also the concept that the owner of a car is not responsible for the actions of any (authorized) user of the car. That's one of the biggest arguments against photo-radar ticketing systems. >You also get to pay all outstanding tickets. They even have cross province >agreements (at least between Ontario and Quebec) so that unpaid tickets in >the other province are on record. No having an up to date sticker is a) bad Trouble with that is, you then have no recourse if a mis-issued ticket or a clerical error on a computer follow you around. The City of Chicago (the informal motto of which being ""The City the Works"") issues dozens of parking tickets each year to people who have never set foot (or tire) in the city. -- Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 ""Gleep"" Naperville, IL __ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet, \/ followed by the words ""Daddy! Yay!"" ";-1;0 "From: Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org Subject: Sin Lines: 10 09 Apr 93, Jill Anne Daley writes to All: JAD> What exactly is a definition of sin and what are some examples. How does JAD> a person know when they are committing sin? To answer briefly: sin is falling short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) Steve --- GoldED 2.40 ";-1;0 "From: D.L.P.Li1@lut.ac.uk (DLP Li) Subject: NEW SVGA card? Reply-To: D.L.P.Li1@lut.ac.uk (DLP Li) Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 12 Hi, all hardware netters, I've seen recently on some magazines advertising a ?NEW? Trident graphics card call 8900CL. The ad said it's new and *faster*. How is it compare to Tseng ET4000? BTW, which is the fastest *non-accelerated* SVGA on the market? Any info or benchmark are welcome. Thanks in advance. regards, Desmond Li LUT, UK. ";-1;0 "From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo) Subject: AKG 340 Electrostatic/Dynamic Headphones For Sale Organization: University of Waterloo Distribution: na Lines: 14 I have a pair of AKG 340 headphones for sale. They are an electrostatic dyanmic headphone; a dynamic element for the bottom end and an electrostatic for the high end. They are very comfortable and sound very nice. They are in like new condition. I would like $220CDN for the pair. Brett Maraldo -- -------- Unit 36 Research --------- ""Alien Technology Today"" bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca {uunet!clyde!utai}!watserv1!bmaraldo ";-1;0 "From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) Subject: Re: Oscilloscope triggering Organization: Macquarie University Lines: 86 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au In article <1993Apr5.120921.28985@dxcern.cern.ch>, jeroen@dxcern.cern.ch (Jeroen Belleman) writes: |> In article dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes: |> > Is it just me, or does anybody else out there NOT like digital |> >scopes. My school has ... |> > |> > David Jacobowitz |> > dgj2y@virginia.edu |> |> Oh no you're not the only one. Analogue scopes give you (or me, at |> least) a fair idea of what's going on in a circuit. Digital scopes |> seem to have a habit of inventing a sizable part of it. E.g. even |> when there are only a few samples per period, our HP54510A displays a |> continuous waveform, complete with non-existing overshoots. I've |> waded through lots of manual pages and menus, but I haven't found yet |> how to turn this off. It doesn't show which points have actually |> been measured, as opposed to those which have been interpolated, |> either. Perhaps you're using the wrong brand! (Sorry all HP fans, but I have a hard time being convinced that their scopes match the rest of their (excellent) gear). One of the principal functions I look for when considering a DSO is whether you can turn interpolation off. The other important feature is to disable repetitive waveform acquisition i.e. being able to lock the instrument into real time capture mode. |> |> Secondly, I don't like menus. I want to see all common functions |> with their own button. (You'll have guessed I love analogue Tek |> scopes) I'd choose a knob with printed legend over an on-screen |> display with up-down buttons right away. The single knob of most |> digital instruments never seems to be connected to the right function |> at the right moment. |> I agree with you here. The only consolation is that manufacturers are _beginning_ to pay attention to ergonomics when designing the menus. However, to be fair, it seems that first time scope users (our students) seem to adjust to menus easier than navigating around the twenty or more knobs required of a ""real"" scope :-) |> Last but not least, you never know if the waveform displayed is old |> or recent, noisy or just incoherently modulated, heck, you don't |> even know if it really looks the way it's displayed. Digital scopes |> only show you a tiny fraction of what's going on. Most of the time |> the're busy computing things. This is one area that newer DSOs are addressing. I recently evaluated the latest box from Tek - their TDS320 - which seems to be a worthy alternative to a standard 100MHz analogue CRO. This instrument has a 100MHz, 500Ms/s spec, meaning that it is _always_ in real time capture mode. The pricing also matches equivalent analogue scopes in the range. The downer is that the instrument uses menus again, but at least they appear to be logically laid out. |> |> There are only three situations for which I would prefer a digital |> scope: Looking at what happened before the trigger, looking at rare |> events, and acquiring the data to have my computer play with it. |> |> |> Let's hope scope manufacturers are listening... |> |> Best regards, |> Jeroen Belleman |> jeroen@dxcern.cern.ch One more thing about the new, ""simpler"", front panels. These instruments tend to use digital rotary encoders as knobs now. This is a vast improvement over the old oak switch. The single most common cause of failure in our scopes (other than students blowing up inputs!) is mechanical wear on these switches. I look at the new panels as a great step toward increasing the longevity of the instruments. JohnH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ |_ _ |_| _ _| _| Electronics Department |_| (_) | | | | | | (_| (_| (_| \/ School of MPCE ---------------------------------/- Macquarie University Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109 Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";11;1 "From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh) Subject: Re: Non-turbo speed Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Nic Percival (x5336) (nmp@mfltd.co.uk) wrote: : : Just taken delivery of a 66MHz 486 DX2 machine, and very nice it is too. : One query - the landmark speed when turbo is on is 230 or something MHz : - thats not the problem. The problem is the speed when turbo is off. Its : 7 MHz. The equivalent in car terms is having a nice Porsche with a button : that turns it into a skateboard. : : Does anyone have a clue as to what determines the relative performance of : turbo vs non-turbo?? I would like to set it to give a landmark speed of : about 30 or 40 MHz with turbo off. : : Cheers, : It should be halved that of turbo (ie 33Mhz). ";-1;0 "From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL Nntp-Posting-Host: 137.23.47.37 Lines: 21 In article <7166@pdxgate.UUCP> a0cb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes: )MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright) writes: ) ) )>The official and legal term for rape is ""the crime of forcing a FEMALE )>to submit to sexual intercourse."" ) )Please, supply me with some references. I was not aware that all states )had the word ""FEMALE"" in the rape statutes. I am sure others are surprised )as well. I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but )was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only, )uniformly throughout the U.S. I agree mostly with Chris. It is (unfortunately, IMO) true that the *FBI* figures for rape based on the 'uniform crime report' report only female rapes. However, some states (such as Illinois) are not tabluated because they refuse to comply with this sexist definition! -- The worms crawl in The worms crawl out The worms post to the net from your account ";-1;0 "From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) Subject: Re: $$$ to fix TRACKBALL Organization: California State University Sacramento Lines: 53 In article <93105.152944BR4416A@auvm.american.edu> writes: >The trackbal on my PB140 no longer moves in the horizontal direction. When I >called the nearest Authorized Apple Service person I was told that it probably >needed replacing and that would cost me over $150! Ouch! > Can anyone recommend a less expensive way to fix this problem? One strange >symptom of the problem is that when I take the ball out of the socket and shine >a light into the hole I can make the cursor move horizontally by moving the >wheel with my finger, it works fine that way but won't work if I turn off the >light. Any suggestions or comments? >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Ben Roy .......just a poor college student.......internet >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ben, Since you're obviously adept enough to understand how the trackball works, the only thing short of repairing it that I can think of is a thorough cleaning of all the parts, and then checking for the proper placement of the little blue rollers. Since they aren't fixed in position on their stainless steel pins, you might try sliding them into a slightly different position. On my PowerBook 100, I can slide them almost completely out of contact with the trackball. In fact, one of the notes from sumex on fixing the trackball advocates sliding the roller so that its _edge_ contacts the ball, not the center cylindrical area. I've done this with my PB100, and it does seem to improve the feel, but needs to be adjusted from time to time. I just popped open one of our office's PB170s, and while there isn't as much latitude for movement, one could still adjust the roller slightly. If your PB140 is the same it might help. I would suspect the most likely culprit to be a slippery blue roller. If you can take it out, clean it with a mild soapy solution, or isopropyl alcohol. Also, be sure the ball is grease-free. If you drop the ball in minus the retaining ring, roll the ball and see if it is actually causing the axle to spin. If all this still doesn't solve it, then maybe a new one is in order. :-( It could be an electrical connection, in which case replacement would be necessary. But my experience with both mice and trackballs has been that dirt has been the normal problem, not an electrical malfunction. Hope this helps, Murray -- Murray M. Altheim ""Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille, Instructional Consultant La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille CSU, Sacramento Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict altheimm@csus.edu Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."" ";-1;0 "From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) Subject: The Kuebelwagen??!! Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 12 Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here. Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's? A replica would be great I think. -TKH '93 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If I can convert a C=128 to a C128T, I can do anything... NOT!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: foxfire@access.digex.com (foxfire) Subject: Sega CD [Forsale] Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Ok folks... I am in need for some money to purchase a Video Game Backup-Unit, so I have decided to let go my SEGA CD unit... Heres the deal: Sega Genesis CD/Rom Unit: ------------------------ o Playes Sega CD games o Playes Regular CD's o Playes CD-G's (Cd's w/graphics) o Comes w/ 5 Cd's (Pack-Ins) o Sega's Hot Hits (Regular CD w/ music) o Rock Paintings (CD-G - music w/Graphics Karoki like) o Sol-Feace (Shooter) o Sherlock Holmes (Mystery) - Clue Book, No Docs. o Sega Classics (Streets of Rage, Revenge of Shinobi, Columns, & Golden Axe) - No Docs. o Box and Documents (CD Unit) Included. All games comes w/Jewels and documentation unless otherwise specified. Other Games: ----------- o Cobra Command (Docs have water dammage) o Road Avenger *2 Weeks old!! o Night Trap (No Docs.) o All games come w/Jewels and documentation unless otherwise specified. Im going to sell all of this to the HIGHEST bidder as of 4/30/93. I would like to start all of the above at $250.00 or Trade for a Genesis/Snes Video Backup-Unit. If you would like to bid or make an offer, just drop me some mail... I will keep everone informed of what the current bids are.. Foxfire foxfire@access.digex.com ";8;1 "From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???! Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 29 In article , ryang@ryang1.pgh.pa.us (Robert H. Yang) writes: |> Hi, |> |> Sorry, just feeling silly. |> |> Rob No need to appologise, as a matter of fact this reminds me to bring up something I have found consistant with dogs- Most of the time, they do NOT like having me and my bike anywhere near them, and will chase as if to bite and kill. An instructor once said it was because the sound from a bike was painfull to their ears. As silly as this seams, no other options have arrizen. net.wisdom? --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. ";-1;0 "From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Subject: How to buy a first bike, etc. Organization: BC Systems Corporation Lines: 8 There have been a *lot* of posts lately about ""I wanna buy my first bike - is a GSXR/ZX/CBR/FZR a good bike to learn on?"" etc. I think I'm going to put together a FAQ on buying a new bike. Ravi used to post one all the time. -- Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca ";-1;0 "From: scanlonm@rimail.interlan.com (Michael Scanlon) Subject: 17"" monitor with RGB/sync to VGA ?? Keywords: RGB VGA 17""monitor Lines: 13 Organization: none Distribution: usa I don't know if this is an obvious question, but can any of the current batch of windows accelerator cards (diamond etc) be used to drive a monitor which has RGB and horizontal and vertical sync ( 5 BNC jacks altogether) connectors out the back?? I might be able to get ahold of a Raster Technologies 17"" monitor (1510 ??)cheap and I was wondering if it was possible to connect it via an adapter (RGB to vga ??) to my Gateway, would I need different drivers etc. Thanks Mike Scanlon please reply to scanlon@interlan.com ";-1;0 "From: markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany Lines: 55 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Keywords: XTerm In article <1quh74$r71@irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de>, beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) writes: |> |> In article , thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) writes: |> |> >Hey guys! |> |> >I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname |> |> >to be in a title of Xterm when it's open and a machine name only |> |> >when it's closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear |> |> >as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed. |> |> >How can I do it? |> |> |> |> Almost all window managers (twm, mwm, olwm and their derivates) support |> |> escape sequences for it. For your purpose put following into your |> |> .login (if you're using csh or tcsh), for sh you have to modify it. |> |> |> |> if ( ""$term"" == ""xterm"" ) then |> |> echo ""^[]2;${LOGNAME}@${HOST}^G^[]1;${HOST}^G"" |> |> endif |> |> |> |> 1) This is NOT a feature of the Window Manager but of xterm. |> 2) This sequences are NOT ANSI compatible, are they ? |> Does anyone know IF there are compatible sequences for this and what they |> are ? I would think they are DCS (device control sequence) introduced, |> but may be a CSI sequence exists, too ? |> This MUST work on a dxterm (VT and ANSI compatible), it may not work |> on xterms. It works on xterms. At least I have no problem with it. - Back to the original question: I usually start new xterms by selecting the proper menu entry in my desktop menu. Here is a sample command: xterm -sl 999 -n ls12i -title ls12i -e rlogin ls12i & The -n and -title options give the text for window and icon. As I use the tcsh (a wonderful extension of the csh), I can do the following: I have an alias precmd echo -n '^[]2\;${HOST}:$cwd^G' in my ~/.tcshrc. This is a special alias for tvtwm. It is executed each time before printing the prompt. So, I have the current host name and the current directory path in the title bar of my xterms. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ____ UniDo / Ingolf Markhof University of Dortmund, LS Informatik XII ___/ / P.O. Box 500 500, D-4600 Dortmund 50, F.R. Germany \ \ / Phone: +49 (231) 755 6142, Fax: +49 (231) 755 6555 \__\/ Email: markhof@ls12.informatik.uni-dortmund.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) Subject: Re: 486/33 WIN3.1 HANG Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam Lines: 19 10748539@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHARLES CHOONG) writes: >HELP, PROBLEM 486/33MHZ HANGS IN EXTENDED MODE TRYING TO >ACCESS DRIVES A: OR B: , SOMETIMES IT WILL DO DIR , SOMETIMES WILL HANG >ON ACCESS SOMETIMES WILL WHEN TYING A TEXT FILE. >HARDWARE: >AMERICAN MEGATREND MOTHERBOARD >AMI BIOS 91 >CONNER 85MB HARD DRIVE >TRIDENT 1 MEG SVGA >PLEASE HELP!!! >ITS OK IN STANDARD MODE!!! I have the same problem. Someone suggested it might be a BIOS bug. Gonna check with my supplier tomorrow. I'll tell you if it helps. Wouter. ";6;1 "From: fpa1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) Subject: Pork ( C-17 & C-5 was (Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE ) Oanization: Mississippi State University Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 30 muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes: >fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes: >>> >>>Eliminate the C-17 transport. >> >>Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, ........ > >If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s >would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the >program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork. I do read Av Week and don't remember this. Could you supply the date of the magazine? As for C-17 vs. C-5 , the C-17 can't carry as much but has more capability ( read : can land at smaller airfields of which there are more of ) than the C-5. Now is the C-17 pork? It depends on whether your job relies on it or not. :) In California right now, I would say that it is not pork since due to peace dividend so many people are out of work. >The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down >a pork happy Congress. > >-- Marc Mueller Huh? Shouldn't that read ""The question is whether a social-pork happy Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down a jobs-pork happy Congress."" fpa ";-1;0 "From: wawers@lif.de (Theo Wawers) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: Lahmeyer International, Frankfurt Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] There is a nice little tool in Lucid emacs. It's called ""calendar"". On request it shows for given longitude/latitude coordinates times for sunset and sunrise. The code is written in lisp. I don't know if you like the idea that an editor is the right program to calculate these things. Theo W. Theo Wawers LAHMEYER INTERNATIONAL GMBH email : wawers@sunny.lif.de Lyonerstr. 22 phone : +49 69 66 77 639 D-6000 Frankfurt/Main fax : +49 69 66 77 571 Germany ";-1;0 "From: schneier@chinet.chi.il.us (Bruce Schneier) Subject: ISSA '93 Conference Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX Distribution: usa Lines: 4 If there is anyone attending the ISSA conference in Arlington, VA next week, I would appreciate them getting in touch with me. Bruce ";-1;0 "From: cunning@mksol.dseg.ti.com (patrick w cunningham) Subject: AMD CPU Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 4 Any comments of AMD microprocessors? good?, bad? thanks, pat ";-1;0 "From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (Was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes: > Look at the whole picture, not just > randomly picked libertarian positions. If government is not allowed to > use ""non-initiated force"" to achieve its goals, than no special interest > can influence the government to use non-initiated force on their behalf. Either the government has force available to it, or it doesn't. The Libertarian position is that the government can use force only when someone else uses force first -- even when that first force is not directed against the government, but one of its citizens. That all being true, what safeguards do we have against the government CLAIMING that some initiation of force on its part is really a response? (Like the burning of the Maine, the Tonkin Gulf incident, or the assault on Waco?) I ask this not to argue, but to understand. (Followups to alt.politics.libertarian only.) -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... ";-1;0 "From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Clipper -- some new thoughts Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 55 I'd *desparately* prefer it if we didn't rehash the same arguments that went on ad infinitum last time. That's especially true for sci.crypt. For that matter, I've created alt.privacy.clipper, since the traffic is appearing in *many* different groups right now. I'm going to focus here on some technical aspects of the plan, hence my followup to sci.crypt. Frankly, if you're not an absolutist, your feelings may turn on some of these issues. For example -- with an 80-bit key, simply splitting it into two 40-bit pieces is much less acceptable than other schemes, because it means that if just one repository is, shall we say, overly pliable, a would-be eavesdropper would need to recover just 40 more bits of key. I need not point out in this newsgroup that that's pretty easy to do by exhaustive search. A slightly more complex scheme -- XOR-ing the key with a random number, and then with its complement -- would produce two 80-bit subkeys, neither of which is useful alone. That variant is much more resistant to attack. Clearly, one can get even more sophisticated, to protect the subkeys even more. Other thoughts... Some people have noted the size and complexity of the databases necessary. But the id strings the phones emit could be their back door key, double-encrypted with the escrow repositories' public keys. For that matter, they could do that only with session keys, and have no back door at all. In that case, the FBI would have to bring every intercept to the repositories to be decrypted. This would answer many of the objections along the lines of ``how do you make sure they stop''. We can even combine that with a variant of the digital telephony back door -- have the switch do the tap, but with a digitally-signed record of the time, phone number, etc, of the call. That provides proof to the escrow agents that the tap was done in compliance with the terms of the warrant. I can suggest other variations, too. Suppose each Clipper chip had 100 public key pairs. Each would be used ~10 times, after which you'd need more keying material. (Not a bad idea in any event.) This could be used to enforce time limits, or rather, usage limits, on each warrant; the keys the repository agents would deliver wouldn't last for very long. I suspect that the cryptographic algorithm itself is secure. Apart from the obvious -- why push a weak algorithm when you've already got the back door? -- I think that the government is still genuinely concerned about foreign espionage, especially aimed at commercial targets. This scheme lets the spooks have their cake and eat it, too. (I've heard rumors, over the years, that some factions within NSA were unhappy with DES because it was too good. Not that they couldn't crack it, but it was much too expensive to do so as easily as they'd want.) They're keeping the details secret so that others don't build their own implementations without the back door. The cryptographic protocol, though, is another matter. I see no valid reasons for keeping it secret, and -- as I hope I've shown above -- there are a lot of ways to do things that aren't (quite) as bad. ";16;1 "From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: URGENT **** TED FRANK WANTED FOR KILLING AJ TEEL... Lines: 181 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article <1993Apr12.031404.25988@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes: |>In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: |> |>>|>But punishing the person for posting such a thing smacks of |>>|>authoritarianism. |>> |>>It's a deliberate act of fraud intended to cause harm. |> |>You seem to be unclear about the legal meaning of ""fraud."" Mere |>misrepresentation is not fraud. Your comment here is meant as a put down. It fails for several reasons : 1) You have edited out the context of the action under discussion. 2) I never brought the legal definition up. I use the English language and not the legal dialect. The legal definition of fraud changes from one country to another in any case. The context of the discussion is morality of censorship. |>>|>How does a posting from your site do any such thing? Especially if your |>>|>site is a university? Do you know any person who believes that a |>>|>university endorses every comment made from a university site? |>> |>>That is why I refered specifically to a company. |> |>Good. Now, do you know any person who believes that a company endorses |>every comment made from a university site? You are extrapolating from the statement I made concerning a circumstance in which such an act of censorship would be permissable to the Teel case. If you had bothered to read the post instead of trying to prove how stupid you thought me you would have done rather better. The mode of argument I was using was a form of rhetoric. Argument by example, I describe a wide set of circumstances in which an action is permisable and demonstrate that they do not apply, thus the action is not permisable. Obviously a company posting from a University adress would be squashed, it would be contrary to the internet comercial use. |>>|>Usenet does not distribute letterhead. |>> |>>Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA |> |>I suggest strongly that if you mean for this to be taken as letterhead you |>get a better stationery designer. Now you are clutching at straws. In the context of the discussion it was the fact of association between the company and the post that was important. The typeface etc is inconsequential. |>>There are people on the net who are openly supporting the murder of members |>>of my family. |> |>Sigh. If you are implying that I am lying I suggest you read Mark Holohan and Ulick Staffords posts into soc.culture.british. If you are suggesting that advocating murder is a trivial matter I would prefer that you state it directly. Certainly I oppose the right of Dr Sidiqui and the Ayatolah Khomenhi to call for the murder of Salman Rushdie. Incitement to murder is not part of what I consider legitimate freedom of speech. |>>|>As for your notion that employees can argue their different political |>>|>views ""at their own expense,"" could you explain precisely what ""expense"" |>>|>you're talking about? |>> |>>Internet is not free. The connection charges are quite expensive for comercial |>>concerns. |> |>Could you give me a cost breakdown for the expense to your company |>attributable to an employee's posting a political view in disagreement |>with yours? Numbers, please. That is irrelevant, the case is not the incremental cost but the facility cost. If I decide that a company I am associated with should subscribe to USEnet that usenet connection is the property of the company. It is quite legitimate for a company to have a political or other agenda and regulate the use of its property in accordance with its policy. For example if a Microsoft employee were to post ""Windows NT is crap don't buy it"" from a Microsoft machine I would consider it reasonable for Microsoft to sack that employee. In the same way if a company decides that it has political objectives it might wish to regulate postings in a political manner. This is no worse than Rupert Murdoch using his papers as a political platform for his views. |>>I was refering to the arrogance of your position, quoting the words written |>>by slave owners at me in the cause of freedom. |> |>Which words written by slave owners did I quote? I don't recall quoting |>anyone. ah yes you did not quote them, merely refered to them. |>>Your constitution is not |>>considered sacrosanct in other parts of the globe. |> |>Nor have I assumed it is. I don't consider the First Amendment to have |>talismanic value. |> |>>You might just as well have attempted to argue from the King James bible |>>to a Muslim. I was pointing out that your reasoning is parochial when with |>>little effort you could have made a substantive point. |> |>I made the effort; apparently you made a certain effort to misunderstand |>me. Your article consisted of a reference to the first ammendment, your signature and pretty well damn all else. |>>|>For an example of a UK publication that understands this, try INDEX ON |>>|>CENSORSHIP. |>> |>>I used to subscribe, I would still if I was not moving. |> |>INDEX regularly publishes opinions by non-Americans who believe the First |>Amendment represents appropriate free-speech principles for all open |>societies. See, e.g., the opinions of the dissenting law lords in the |>SPYCATCHER case. Are you refering to the initial hearings on an injunction or the judgments on the substantive case? The initial hearings that the government won were judged on the not unresonable judgment that assertion by the government that the national interest might be harmed would be grounds for prior restraint. The second set of hearings on the substance judged that the government had no case and that the official secrets act could not be used to suppress information in thwe public domain already. The part that they won was over the copyright issue which is rather separate. Here again the issue of censorship is rather different in the case that information is divulged on the understanding that it will not be communicated to third parties. The first ammendment certainly does not apply in this case as the numerous prosecutions of spies in the US proves. The crux of the Spycatcher affair was extrateritoriality of British law. The censorship aspect of it arose as a result of the government's ludicrous attempts to prevent summary of the case in the book. |>>|>You haven't any reason to believe that anything I've said has been reached |>>|>unquestioningly. |>> |>>Only most of what you write. |> |>For someone who purports to be opposed to argument from assertion, you |>certainly get by on assertions a lot. Funny I saw that as a rejection of an assertion that you had made. Of course in rejecting an assertion I have to make a contrary assertion, since this assertion is unprovable I left it at that. So far I have not seen you demonstrate a command of the contrary opinion to your own. You are attacking my anti-censorship view because I dare to accept the validity of some pro-censorship arguments while rejecting their conclusions. Plus I am not an absolutist. I have this funny idea that the solution to this problem was not decided in 1789 by a group of white male gentry in secret session and sumarized in a single line. Furthermore I don't think that the issues are half as simple as you imply. |>>You may think that I am being anti-American in disallowing recourse to the |>>first ammendment. It's just that this argument has no currency in the parts |>>of the world where there is state censorship such as Iran, Kewait and Israel. |> |>I don't pretend to have geared my discourse for all conceivable audiences. I don't think that you have geered your discourse to any audience save that of proving that you are the only person wearing a white hat. Phill Hallam-Baker ";18;1 "From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) Subject: Re: Fundamentalism - again. Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 10 Ok, someone is fundamentalist, someone else is not. What defines a fundamentalist (Not who!!!!!!!!!). That is an essential question which nobody has agreed upon an answer, at least to what literature / discussion / news i've seen.. -- Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu ";-1;0 "From: (Sean Garrison) Subject: Re: Bonilla Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: Yale Univeristy Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr17.213553.2181@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, krueger@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (theodore r krueger) wrote: > Isn't it funny that a white person calls comeone a ""nigger"" and gets banned > for a year, but a black person calls someone a ""faggot"" and there is no > consequence? > Ted Ted, you're missing a vital point. As Roger Lustig pointed out in a previous response, the reason why Schott was banned from baseball was because she had been known to call and think in a racially biased manner on a constant basis. Such thoughts affected her hiring practices. Bonilla, on the other hand, was found to have mentioned this one word a single time. If he had been known to go around, criticizing homosexuals, it would be a different story. Furthermore, he is merely an athlete. He doesn't have to hire anyone as Schott had to do. Dave Pallone, the former NL umpire who is an admitted homosexual, has decided to assist in a protest before a Mets game at Shea. He, like you, thinks that Bonilla should be suspended from baseball. Pallone is hoping for a year's suspension. In my opinion, that's downright ludicrous. As Howie Rose on WFAN said, if you start suspending athletes who have mentioned a derogatory word even a single time under whatever conditions, then you'd probably have enough people remaining to play a three-on-three game. Now, honestly, if you truly analyze the differences between the two cases that you bring up in your article, I would think that you'd reconsider your thoughts. -Sean ******************************************************************************* ""Behind the bag!"" - Vin Scully ******************************************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) Subject: Gibbons Outlines SSF Redesign Guidance News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio Lines: 76 NASA Headquarters distributed the following press release today (4/6). I've typed it in verbatim, for you folks to chew over. Many of the topics recently discussed on sci.space are covered in this. Gibbons Outlines Space Station Redesign Guidance Dr. John H. Gibbons, Director, Office of Science and Technology Policy, outlined to the members-designate of the Advisory Committee on the Redesign of the Space Station on April 3, three budget options as guidance to the committee in their deliberations on the redesign of the space station. A low option of $5 billion, a mid-range option of $7 billion and a high option of $9 billion will be considered by the committee. Each option would cover the total expenditures for space station from fiscal year 1994 through 1998 and would include funds for development, operations, utilization, Shuttle integration, facilities, research operations support, transition cost and also must include adequate program reserves to insure program implementation within the available funds. Over the next 5 years, $4 billion is reserved within the NASA budget for the President's new technology investment. As a result, station options above $7 billion must be accompanied by offsetting reductions in the rest of the NASA budget. For example, a space station option of $9 billion would require $2 billion in offsets from the NASA budget over the next 5 years. Gibbons presented the information at an organizational session of the advisory committee. Generally, the members-designate focused upon administrative topics and used the session to get acquainted. They also received a legal and ethics briefing and an orientation on the process the Station Redesign Team is following to develop options for the advisory committee to consider. Gibbons also announced that the United States and its international partners -- the Europeans, Japanese, and Canadians -- have decided, after consultation, to give ""full consideration"" to use of Russian assets in the course of the space station redesign process. To that end, the Russians will be asked to participate in the redesign effort on an as-needed consulting basis, so that the redesign team can make use of their expertise in assessing the capabilities of MIR and the possible use of MIR and other Russian capabilities and systems. The U.S. and international partners hope to benefit from the expertise of the Russian participants in assessing Russian systems and technology. The overall goal of the redesign effort is to develop options for reducing station costs while preserving key research and exploration capabilities. Careful integration of Russian assets could be a key factor in achieving that goal. Gibbons reiterated that, ""President Clinton is committed to the redesigned space station and to making every effort to preserve the science, the technology and the jobs that the space station program represents. However, he also is committed to a space station that is well managed and one that does not consume the national resources which should be used to invest in the future of this industry and this nation."" NASA Administrator Daniel S. Goldin said the Russian participation will be accomplished through the East- West Space Science Center at the University of Maryland under the leadership of Roald Sagdeev. ";2;1 "From: alex@talus.msk.su (Alex Kolesov) Subject: Help on RenderMan language wanted! Reply-To: alex@talus.msk.su Organization: unknown Lines: 17 Hello everybody ! If you are using PIXAR'S RenderMan 3D scene description language for creating 3D worlds, please, help me. I'm using RenderMan library on my NeXT but there is no documentation about NeXTSTEP version of RenderMan available. I can create very complicated scenes and render them using surface shaders, but I can not bring them to life by applying shadows and reflections. As far as I understand I have to define environmental and shadows maps to produce reflections and shadows, but I do not know how to use them. Any advises or simple RIB or C examples will be appreciated. Thanks in advance... --- Alex Kolesov Moscow, Russia. Talus Imaging & Communications Corporation e-mail: (NeXT mail accepted) . ";-1;0 "From: salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 25 In article , REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes: > [In looking through my files this weekend, I ran across some lyrics from > various rock groups that have content. Here are two from Black Sabbath's > ""Master of Reality"". I'll say this much for the music of the '60's and early > '70's, at least they asked questions of significance. Jethro Tull is another > to asked and wrote about things that caused one to wonder. --Rex] > It is interesting that you posted those lyrics, because just the other day I was thinking of doing the same. I like those lyrics, since whenever I am approached by judgemental, pharisitical, evangelical fundamentalists who throw the Bible at me because I have long hair, wear a black leather jacket, and listen to Black Sabbath, I have something to throw back. Usually their chins drop and they come up speechless over those not very satanic lyrics. It just goes to show that there are more important evils in the world to battle than rock lyrics........... -- Steven C. Salaris We're...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew salaris@carcs1.wustl.edu and their stupid use of foul language because we have ideas. We have a philosophy. Geoff Tate -- Queensryche ";-1;0 "From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: NASA ""Wraps"" Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 91 In article <17APR199316423628@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes: >I don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single >line item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as >wrap at this university. Dennis, I have worked on or written proposals worth tens of millions of $$. Customers included government (including NASA), for profit and non-profit companies. All expected a wrap (usually called a fee). Much of the work involved allocating and costing the work of subcontractors. The subcontractors where universities, for-profits, non-profits, and even some of the NASA Centers for the Commercialization of Space. ALL charged fees as part of the work. Down the street is one of the NASA commercialization centers; they charge a fee. Now, I'm sure your a competent engineer Dennis, but you clearly lack experience in several areas. Your posts show that you don't understand the importance of integration in large projects. You also show a lack of understanding of costing efforts as shown by your belief that it is reasonable to charge incremental costs for everything. This isn't a flame, jsut a statement. Your employer DOES charge a fee. You may not see it but you do. >>Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your >>costing people how much fee they add to a project. >I did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that >any percentage number like this is included in the overhead. Well there you are Dennis. As I said, they simply include the fee in their overhead. Many seoparate the fee since the fee structure can change depending on the customer. >No Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee >of the Overhead capital of NASA. Integration, Dennis, isn't overhead. >Nothing that Reston does could not be dont >better or cheaper at the Other NASA centers where the work is going on. Dennis, Reston has been the only NASA agency working to reduce costs. When WP 02 was hemoraging out a billion $$, the centers you love so much where doing their best to cover it up and ignore the problem. Reston was the only place you would find people actually interested in solving the problems and building a station. >Kinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is >at a place where everything is overhead. When you have a bit more experience Dennis, you will realize that integration isn't overhead. It is the single most important part of a successful large scale effort. >Why did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally >demanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being >selective with the facts again. The story you refer to said that some NASA people blamed it on Congress. Suprise suprise. The fact remains that it is the centers you support so much who covered up the overheads and wouldn't address the problems until the press published the story. Are you saying the Reston managers where wrong to get NASA to address the overruns? You approve of what the centers did to cover up the overruns? >If it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost >of 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your >""friend"" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it >for a billion a year ""if the wrap were gone"". This merely points out a >blatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see. You should know Dennis that NASA doesn't include transport costs for resuply. That comes from the Shuttle budget. What they where saying is that operational costs could be cut in half plus transport. >Sorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going >to have to do Allen's math for him for a while. I will have little chance to >do so. I do hope you can find the time to tell us just why it was wrong of Reston to ask that the problems with WP 02 be addressed. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------60 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Goalie masks Article-I.D.: netnews.120666 Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu My vote goes to John Vanbiesbrouck. His mask has a skyline of New York City, and on the sides there are a bunch of bees (Beezer). It looks really sharp. -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" ";-1;0 "From: vek@allegra.att.com (Van Kelly) Subject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ, USA Lines: 39 According to what I have read on Biblical idioms, speaking ""in X's name"" is a standard Aramaic/Hebrew legal idiom for what we today would call Power of Attorney. A person from Jesus' culture authorized to conduct business ""in John's name"" had full authority over John's financial affairs, but was held under a solemn fiduciary obligation to work only for John's benefit and consonant with John's wishes. It was not required for the steward to preface each business transaction with ""in John's name""; it was sufficient to have valid power of attorney and be operating in good faith. (Note the overlap here between legal and religious definitions of ""faith"".) With this cultural background, praying ""in Jesus' name"" does not mandate a particular verbal formula; rather it requires that the petitioner be operating faithfully and consciously within an analogous ""fiduciary"" relationship with Jesus and for the purposes of His Kingdom. The message of ""praying in Jesus' name"" is thus closely aligned with the parable of the talents and other passages about God's delegation of Kingdom business to his stewards, both resources and responsibilities. This idea of praying ""in Jesus' name"" is not only present but prominent in the Lord's Prayer, although the verbal forumula is absent. The act of praying the words ""In Jesus' Name"" may be beneficial if they cause us to clarify the relationship of our requests to the advancement of God's Kingdom. For that reason, I'm not quite ready to say that the praying the formula is without meaning. Prayers to God for other purposes (desperation, anger, thanksgiving, etc.) don't seem to be in this category at all, whether uttered by Christian or non-Christian, whether B.C. or A.D. (that's B.C.E. or C.E. for you P.C. :-). I don't see anything in Christ's words to contradict the idea that God deals with all prayers according to His omniscience and grace. Van Kelly vek@research.att.com The above opinions are my own, and not those of AT&T. ";-1;0 "From: news@cbnewsk.att.com Subject: Re: Bible Unsuitable for New Christians Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Lines: 8 True. Also read 2 Peter 3:16 Peter warns that the scriptures are often hard to understand by those who are not learned on the subject. Joe Moore ";-1;0 "Subject: Need rgb data from saved images From: Organization: Penn State University Lines: 4 Could someone please help me find a program or figure out how to extract a li st of R G B values for each pixel in an image. I can convert between tga and s everal other popular formats but I need the R G B values for use in a program I am writing. Thanks for the help ";1;1 "From: jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Keywords: bad drivers Distribution: usa Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 33 >In article <1993Apr14.140642.19875@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes: >anybody is going anywhere. So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own >good , but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it. Ah, we are looking for good people just like you. We are a very concerned group of citizens who are absolutely disgusted at the way that the majority of drivers simply disobey traffic rules like going above the speed limit, passing on our right, and riding our tails, while all the while we respectfully abide by the rules of this great country and maintain the mandated speed limits with our calibrated, certified cruise controls, while keeping the respectful 1.5 car length distance/10 mph speed. How many times have you been ticked off by some moron who jumps ahead in the (5.5 * 1.5)8.25 car lengths that you have left between you and the vehicle ahead of you while driving 55 mph? Finally you have an option. We are a totally member supported group that perform functions for our own good, for the good of this great country but MOST of all for those unfortunate ones that are too stupid to realize it, bless their souls. For a paltry $10, you can join Citizens for Rationally Advanced Piloting(C.R.A.P), a non-profit, members only, society. But, but,but, there is a slight hitch, the initiation rite. To be a full fledged member of this exclusive club, you must proof that you are able to be in the fast lane of the busiest interstate in your area, keep the correct 1.5 car lenth/10 mph speedand I know this can be difficult with those morons around, NOT let anybody pass you, not in the next lane, not in the slow lane, not in the breakdown lane, not NOWHERE. For a complete list of acceptable interstates and times, send $5. And by the way, over 90% of our members are highly regarded attorneys in the auto field and they are completely, absolutely positively in the business ONLY to serve your best interests. As a testament to their virtues, they will give members 90% off the initial consultation fee. Feel free to drop me a line at your earliest convenience and remember, only SPEED kills! Jit ";10;1 "From: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford) Subject: ATI Ultra Pro Confirmation Reply-To: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca Organization: Eos Systems Inc, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 25 I have heard many things about the ATI Ultra Pro card. Some have been positive but most are negative. Could people please confirm these? (I am interested in the EISA version in particular). 1) The card does not work in a system with 32M RAM. 2) The card works in a 32M system with some switches set but it is much slower. 3) The card is _interlaced_ in its 24bit (true-colour) modes. 4) The latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many cases. 5) This card is the fastest full colour card for the money. 6) This card is the greatest thing since sliced bread. ;-) Thanks for your feedback. I will summarize. Al -- Alan Walford Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada Tel: 604-734-8655 aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca OR ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew ";6;1 "From: sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Shaun P. Hughes) Subject: Clipper Crap Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 17 >encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the >privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield >criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just a random passing thought, but can anyone cite a documented use of encryption technology by criminals and terrorists. (Excluding the Iran-Contra Gang) -- Shaun P. Hughes sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu finger for PGP 2.2 Public Key ";-1;0 "From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: [lds] Rick's reply Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 201 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu Rick Anderson replied to my letter with... ra> In article , ra> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) says: ra> ra> > Well, Jason, it's heretical in a few ways. The first point is that ra> > this equates Lucifer and Jesus as being the same type of being. ra> > However, Lucifer is a created being: ""Thou [wast] perfect in thy ra> > ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in ra> > thee."" (Ezekiel 28:15). While Jesus is uncreated, and the Creator of ra> > all things: ""In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with ra> > God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. ra> > All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made ra> > that was made."" (John 1:1-3) ""And he is before all things, and by ra> > him all things consist."" (Colossians 1:17) ra> ra> Your inference from the Ezekiel and John passages that Lucifer was ra> ""created"" and that Jesus was not depends on a particular interpetation of ra> the word ""create"" -- one with which many Christians may not agree. ra> Granted the Mormon belief that all of God's children (including Christ ra> and Lucifer) are eternally existent intelligences which were ""organized"" ra> into spirit children by God, the term ""creation"" can apply equally well ra> to both of those passages. Just briefly, on something that you mentioned in passing. You refer to differing interpretations of ""create,"" and say that many Christians may not agree. So what? That is really irrelevant. We do not base our faith on how many people think one way or another, do we? The bottom line is truth, regardless of popularity of opinions. Also, I find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created and eternally existent are equivalent, you say ""granted the Mormon belief..."" You can't grant your conclusion and then expect the point to have been addressed. In order to reply to the issue, you have to address and answer the point that was raised, and not just jump to the conclusion that you grant. The Bible states that Lucifer was created. The Bible states that Jesus is the creator of all. The contradiction that we have is that the LDS belief is that Jesus and Lucifer were the same. ra> > Your point that we all are brothers of Jesus and Lucifer is also ra> > heretical, since we are not innately brothers and sisters of Christ. ra> > We are adopted, ""For ye have not received the spirit of bondage ra> > again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby ra> > we cry, Abba, Father."" (Romans 8:15); and not the natural children ra> > of God. It is only through faith that we even enter the family of ra> > God; ""For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."" ra> > (Galatians 3:26). And it is only through the manifestation of this ra> > faith in receiving Jesus that we are become the sons of God. ""But ra> > as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of ra> > God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not ra> > of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but ra> > of God."" (John 1:12-13) ra> ra> Has it occured to you, Robert, that being ""born of"" someone or being ra> of that person (or Person)'s ""family"" may be a symbolic term in the New ra> Testament? Mormons believe that we are ""adopted"" into the House of ra> Israel through baptism and faith in Christ, although some have expressed ra> belief that this does evince a physical change in our bodies. The Mormon belief is that all are children of God. Literally. There is nothing symbolic about it. This however, contradicts what the Bible says. The Bible teaches that not everyone is a child of God: The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one]; (Matthew 13:38) I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. (John 8:38) Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John 8:41-44) And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, [thou] child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? (Acts 13:10) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: (Ephesians 2:2) In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (1 John 3:10) One becomes a child of God... But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: (John 1:12) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:1-2) ...when he is born again through faith in Jesus Christ: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:13) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, (Ephesians 1:5) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (Romans 8:14-16) Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. (1 John 4:7) Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. (1 John 5:1) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:26) ra> > We are told that, ""And this is life eternal, that they might know ra> > thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."" ra> > (John 17:3). Life eternal is to know the only true God. Yet the ra> > doctrines of the LDS that I have mentioned portray a vastly ra> > different Jesus, a Jesus that cannot be reconciled with the Jesus of ra> > the Bible. They are so far removed from each other that to proclaim ra> > one as being true denies the other from being true. According to the ra> > Bible, eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true God, and ra> > not the construct of imagination. ra> ra> ra> Robert, with all due respect, who died and left you Chief Arbiter of ra> Correct Biblical Interpretation? I don't mean to be snotty about this, ra> but the fact is that the Bible is so differently interpreted by different ra> groups of Biblical scholars (what do you think of the Jehovah's ra> Witnesses, for example?) that to make reference to the ""Jesus of the ra> Bible"" is simply ridiculous. Whose ""Jesus of the Bible"" do you mean? This is really a red herring. It doesn't address any issue raised, but rather, it seeks to obfuscate. The fact that some groups try to read something into the Bible, doesn't change what the Bible teaches. For example, the fact that the Jehovah's Witnesses deny the Deity of Christ does not alter what the Bible teaches [ ""Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"" (Titus 2:13),""Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:"" (2 Peter 1:1)] on the Deity of Christ. We first look to the Bible to see what it teaches. To discount, or not even address, what the Bible teaches because there are some groups that have differing views is self-defeating. To see what the Bible teaches, you have to look at the Bible. ra> > ""Our Lord's mortality was essential to his own salvation"" (_The ra> > Promised Messiah_, p. 456), ""He had to work out his own salvation by ra> > doing the will of the Father in all things"" (ibid., p.54), ""he had ra> > to be baptized to gain admission to the celestial kingdom"" (_Mormon ra> > Doctrine_, p.71). ra> ra> Welcome to the wonderful world of Mormon paradoctrine, Robert. The ra> above books are by the late Bruce R. McConkie, a former general authority ra> of the LDS Church. Those books were not published by the Church, nor do ra> they constitute ""offical doctrine."" They consist of his opinions. Now, ra> does that mean that what he says is not true? Not at all; I'll have to ra> think about the idea of Christ's personal salvation before I come to any ra> conclusions myself. The conclusions I come to may seem ""heretical"" to ra> you, but I'm prepared to accept that. I find this rather curious. When I mentioned that the Mormon belief is that Jesus needed to be saved, I put forward some quotes from the late apostle, Bruce McConkie. The curious part is that no one addressed the issue of `Jesus needing to be saved.' Rick comes the closest with his ""I have my own conclusions"" to addressing the point. Most of the other replies have instead hop-scotched to the issue of Bruce McConkie and whether his views were 'official doctrine.' I don't think that it matters if McConkie's views were canon. That is not the issue. Were McConkie's writings indicative of Mormon belief on this subject is the real issue. The indication from Rick is that they may certainly be. ============================= Robert Weiss psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu ";-1;0 "From: hwrvo@kato.lahabra.chevron.com (W.R. Volz) Subject: Re: Norton Desktop for Windows 2.2 Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research Company Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr2.180451.15428@exu.ericsson.se>, ebuwoo@ebu.ericsson.se (James Woo 66515) writes: |> Hi, |> I wonder if anyone has had a chance try out Norton Desktop for Windows |> version 2.2 yet. I understand the upgrade cost from 2.0 to 2.2 is about |> $20.00 but I have no idea what the new version has. |> I got the offer to upgrade this weekend. It's $19 + $8.50 shipping and handling. The S+H seem way too steep for just a couple of disks. Sounds like ripoff city. Can this purchased at vendors? -- ====================== Bill Volz Chevron Petroleum Technology Co. Earth Model/Interpretation & Analysis Division. P.O. Box 446, La Habra, CA 90633-0446 Phone: (310) 694-9340 Fax: (310) 694-7063 ";6;1 "From: ski@wpi.WPI.EDU (Joseph Mich Krzeszewski) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Well, this is my second try at posting on this subject. Here goes... In Texas (Corpus Christi at least) if you pick up the phone and dial 890 the phone company will read the number of the phone you are on back to you. I believe the service department uses this to make certain they are repairing the correct lines when they open the BIG junction boxes. I don't know if it will work but you can give it a try. Good luck. ";11;1 "From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Ind. Source Picks Baerga Over Alomar: Case Closed Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Distribution: na Lines: 24 In article klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes: >fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes: >> >> I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P >> rated Baerga higher, actually. > >Finally, an objective source. Alomar's a great player, but so is Baerga. >Nice to see the objective source cited rather than ""my dad's bigger than >your dad"" posts. I know. You have this fucked up idea that anybody who prefers Alomar to Baerga must be a Jay-Lover and Indian-Hater. Sorry, you got that one wrong! I hate the Jays and don't care one way or the other about the Indians. But objectively, Alomar had the better offensive year last year, so I have to pick him. You admit T&P as a reliable(?), objective source? Then you will note that they rated Alomar as the better offensive player, chosing Baerga over Alomar only because of his defense. That's a joke! (Alomar might not be a gold-glover, but he's certainly no worse than Baerga defensively.) -Valentine ";-1;0 "From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: University of Rochester In article sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: > >In article <1993Apr15.161112.21772@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: > >|> I don't think ""extra-scientific"" is a very useful phrase in a discussion >|> of the boundaries of science, except as a proposed definiens. >|> Extra-rational >|> is a better phrase. In fact, there are quite a number of well-known cases >|> of extra-rational considerations driving science in a useful direction. > >Yeah, but the problem with holding up the ""extra-rational"" examples as >exemplars, or as refutations of well founded methodology, is that you >run smack up against such unuseful directions as Lysenko. Such ""extra- >rational"" cases are curiosities -- not guides to methodology. As has been noted before, there is the distinction between _motivation_ and _method_. No experimental result should be accepted unless it is described in sufficient detail to be replicated, and the replications do indeed reproduce the result. No theoretical argument should be accepted unless it is presented in sufficient detail to be followed, and reasonable, knowlegeable, people agree with the force of the logic. But people try experiments, and pursue arguments, for all sorts of crazy reasons. Irrational motivations are not just curiousities; they are a large part of the history of science. There are a couple of negative points to make here: 1) A theory of qi could, conceivably, become accepted without direct verification of the existence of qi. For example, quarks are an accepted part of the standard model of physics, with no direct verification. What would be needed would be a theory, based on qi, that predicted medical reality better than the alternatives. The central theoretical claim could lie forever beyond experiment, as long as there was a sufficient body of experimental data that the qi theory predicted better than any other. (I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the triumph of qi, though. I don't think that there is even a coherent theory based on it, much less a theory that explains anything at all better than modern biology. And it is hard to imagine a qi theory that would not predict some way of rather directly verifying the existence of qi.) 2) Science has not historically progressed in any sort of rational experiment-data-theory sequence. Most experiments are carried out, and interpreted, in pre-existing theoretical frameworks. The theoretical controversies of the day determine which experiments get done. Overall, there is a huge messy affair of personal jealousies, crazy motivations, petty hatreds, and the like that determines which experiments, and which computations, get done. What keeps it going forward is the critical function of science: results don't count unless they can be replicated. The whole system is a sort of mechanism for generate-and-test. The generate part can be totally irrational, as long as the test part works properly. Pasteur could believe whatever he liked about chemical activity and crystals; but even Mitscherlich had to agree that racemic acid crystals were handed; that when you separate them by handedness, you get two chemicals that rotate polarized light in opposite directions; and the right-rotating version was indistinguishable from tartaric acid. Pasteur's irrational motivation had led to a replicable, and important, result. This is where Lysenko, creationists, etc. fail. They have usually not even produced coherent theories that predict much of anything. When their theories do predict, and are contradicted by experiment, they do not concede the point and modify their theories; rather they try to suppress the results (Lysenko) or try to divert attention to other evidence they think supports their position (creationists). -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu ";-1;0 "From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 32 Distribution: world Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com >>This is a stretch. In fact, a great many of the persecuted Indians were >>Christian, a great many. It would be simpler to state the obvious, that >>white people wanted land the Indians dominated or threatened. I really >>don't think the government cared a hill of beans about the Indians' religion. >My Native American Girlfriend asks: ""If the government really doesn't >'care a hill of beans' about our religion, how come they're still >busting us for it in Oregon, Washington, and a few other places? >You'd be a Christian, too, if the U.S. Army marched you into church >at gunpoint."" Are you saying that the Indians who became Christians did so because the US Army marched them into church at gunpoint? This will be news to the Indians of the Great Lakes and upper Mississippi basin-- of the Southwest-- of Mexico and South America-- who converted even before there was such a thing as the US. Are you saying that Indians are incapable of coming to a decision themselves about their religion without being forced to at gunpoint? What about the Christian Cherokees who were given the boot by the US government after the Civil War... because the Cherokee nation gave mild support to the Confederacy, since they themselves owned black slaves. No, reducing it all to a matter of religion is to support a much too narrow view of history. I've never heard of a single treaty, whether broken by the US government or not (were any NOT????), that said, if you guys convert to Christianity, you get to keep all the land you claim. No, treaties were invariably about land... it meant ceding Indian claims to the government. Sometimes in return the US government promised the hunter-gatherer tribes (and plenty of tribes were already farming for centuries, but we don't hear about non-Plains Indians in movies) food and training in return for taking up a non-nomadic existence. Promises, of course, which all to often proved empty. ";-1;0 "From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cached) IDE Controller Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr16.074836.6819@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu writes: >| I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers. >| I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard. >| What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work >| under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W). >I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is >DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of >the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between >5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the >interface between the controller and the memory. > >My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance. Computer: 286-25 mhz Bus: ISA (12.5 mhz) Drive: Maxtor 7213A (213 mb) config.sys / autoexec.bat MS DOS 5 no WIN 3.1 smartdrv.sys cache smartdrv.exe CORE (V 2.7) 6950 k/sec 1390 k/sec 1395 k/sec Norton SI (V 5.0) 730 k/sec 980 k/sec 982 k/sec I'd still like to here from people with VLB-IDE. I still want to know what VLB bus speed is used with IDE drives. I still want to know if some (most ?) IDE drives can handle bus speeds > 8 mhz. PS: A friend with a 286-20 and a new Maxtor 7245 (245 meg IDE) drive gets between 800 - 1000 k/sec (can't remember exactly). I think the bus is running at 8 mhz in this case. ";-1;0 "From: mark@ardnt1.res.utc.COM (MARK STUCKY) Subject: Re: Need PD X-Y Plot Package Organization: The Internet Lines: 139 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.COM Cc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.EDU ""Steve"" == Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm writes: Steve> Folks, Steve> I'm looking for a Public Domain X-Y plotting package for X. Steve> I need basic capabilities (axes, labels, log and linear, &c). Steve> It's hard to imagine that someone has not put such a thing Steve> together, so I'm hoping to avoid reinventing the wheel. Steve> Thanks for any leads! Steve> Steve Frysinger Your might take a look a PLPLOT. Version 4.99c (actually beta v5.0) can be found anonymous ftp from hagar.ph.utexas.edu, in the pub/plplot directory. --Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Stucky | Email: | | United Technologies Research Center | mark@ardnt1.res.utc.com | | East Hartford, CT. |or mbs@rcinet.res.utc.com | | 06108 |or mbs@utrc.res.utc.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From the README file of version 4.99c: This is the PLPLOT distribution. PLPLOT is a scientific plotting package for many systems, small (micro) and large (super) alike. Despite its small size and quickness, it has enough power to satisfy most users, including: standard x-y plots, semilog plots, log-log plots, contour plots, 3D plots, mesh plots, bar charts and pie charts. Multiple graphs (of the same or different sizes) may be placed on a single page with multiple lines in each graph. Different line styles, widths and colors are supported. A virtually infinite number of distinct area fill patterns may be used. There are almost 1000 characters in the extended character set. This includes four different fonts, the Greek alphabet and a host of mathematical, musical, and other symbols. The fonts can be scaled to any size for various effects. Many different output device drivers are available (system dependent), including a portable metafile format and renderer. The PLPLOT package is freely distributable, but NOT in the public domain. The PLPLOT source code, except header files and those files explicitly granting permission, may not be used in a commercial software package without consent of the authors. You are allowed and encouraged to include the PLPLOT object library and header files in a commercial package provided that: (1) it is explicitly and prominently stated that the PLPLOT library is freely available, and (2) the full copyrights on the PLPLOT package be displayed somewhere in the documentation for the package. We welcome suggestions on how to improve this code, especially in the form of user-contributed enhancements or bug fixes. If PLPLOT is used in any published papers, please include an acknowledgment or citation of our work, which will help us to continue improving PLPLOT. Also, please remember that as PLPLOT is not a commercial product, we cannot be expected to offer the kind of support that a commercial product may. There is great interest in extending PLPLOT and fixing bugs, but the principal authors can only afford to work on it part time. Improvements will necessarily focus on those which help us get our work done. PLPLOT is written in C, enabling it to run on many platforms practically without modification. Fortran programs may use it transparently; stub routines are provided to handle the C<->Fortran interface without any modification of the user program. C programs are required to include the header file ""plplot.h""; see the documentation for more details. The main documentation for PLPLOT is in the doc/ directory in the form of several TeX files; please consult this for additional information ('latex plotdoc'). Unfortunately documentation tends to lag actual improvements to the code, so don't be surprised if some known features are not explained there. Consult 'Changes.log' to see a list of recent changes. At present, PLPLOT is known to work on the following systems: Unix: SunOS A/IX HP-UX Unicos DG/UX Ultrix SysV Linux Amiga/Exec MS-DOS OS/2 NeXT For more information on how to get or use PLPLOT on your system, see: - appendices to the PLPLOT manual - system-specific documentation in the appropriate sys/ directory. To become a subscriber to the PLPLOT mailing list, send a request to plplot-request@dino.ph.utexas.edu. CREDITS ------- PLPLOT is the result of the effort of many people, so it is impractical to list all the contributors. Those currently supporting and otherwise responsible for the package in its present form include: Maurice LeBrun Please send all comments, flames, patches, etc, to me. I am responsible for all the PLPLOT kernel development as well as most of the work on the metafile, xwindow, xterm, postscript, tektronix, and Amiga drivers. EMAIL mjl@fusion.ph.utexas.edu USMAIL Dr. Maurice LeBrun Institute for Fusion Studies University of Texas Austin, TX 78712 Geoff Furnish Please send questions regarding the MS-DOS and OS/2 drivers to Geoff. EMAIL furnish@fusion.ph.utexas.edu USMAIL Geoff Furnish Institute for Fusion Studies University of Texas Austin, TX 78712 Tony Richardson Creator of PLPLOT 2.6b, 3.0 Please send questions regarding installation of PLPLOT on the NeXT to Tony. EMAIL amr@egr.duke.edu USMAIL Tony Richardson Tony Richardson 184 Electrical Engineering 2920 Chapel Hill Road Apt. 41-D Duke University Durham, NC 27707 Durham, NC 27706 ph 919-684-5274 ph 919-493-1609 ";-1;0 "From: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Keldsen) Subject: sony 1304 & Rasterops 24sx(si) for SALE! - UPDATE!! Article-I.D.: geraldo.1qoddq$2p7 Reply-To: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Keldsen) Distribution: usa Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 64 NNTP-Posting-Host: tramp.cc.utexas.edu Originator: djk@tramp.cc.utexas.edu Hello fellow humans, and other net creatures... If you're at all interested in this merchandise, please e-mail me: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu I'm compacting my system and moving to a single monitor system, so I have two monitors and cards for sale. Nothing at all is wrong with these pieces, I'm just wanting to conserve desk space, and get all of my info from one screen. I'd prefer to sell to people near Austin and surrounding areas (within driving distance - like an hour away perhaps), but I CAN ship to you if you don't live near here. Only problem is that I didn't keep the original boxes for the monitors, but I'm confident that my few months of full-time service in the shipping room will enable me to safely package the monitors and flip it in your direction. Details: Mirror Full Page Display (monochrome) w/nubus card: --------------------------------------------------- **SOLD** Sony 1304 14"" color monitor: ---------------------------- What's to say? It got top ratings in last year's MacUser report. It's a SONY, Trinitron, arguably the best (but I'd rather not argue that point). It's a great monitor, in great shape, but I'm going to a bigger screen, and although I'd like to keep it, finances don't justify it. Still selling for $599 at MacLand (where I bought it originally - not including shipping), will sell for **$475** (plus shipping). Again, make an offer if that sounds unreasonable. RasterOps 24si (24-bit accelerated, hardware zoom/pan, 4 meg RAM): ------------------------------------------------------------------ Renamed the 24sx a few months after I bought it, this board is for 13"" monitors, providing **accelerated 24-bit**, hardware zoom/pan, NTSC mode (you can plug it into something like the RasterOps Video Expander and output NTSC), and 4 RAM slots that use 1 meg or 4 meg SIMMS for GWorld RAM, or a RAM disk. Software included for such functions. 4 meg of RAM included (1 meg SIMMS). Selling for $605 at Bottom Line (without the RAM - add $100), I'm asking **$525** (shipping included this time, it's just a card). Original box and packaging. I'd actually prefer to sell the Sony monitor and this card together, so if you want both, drop me e-mail and make a ""bundled offer"" for these items. ------------ Cheers. dan keldsen - djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dan Keldsen | Are you now, or have you ever been: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | a. A Berklee College student? Univ. of Texas, Austin | b. A member/fan of Billy Death? Music Composition, MM | c. a MAX programmer? M & M Consultant (ask) | d. a Think-C & MIDI programmer? ";-1;0 "From: ajaffe@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Andrew Jaffe) Subject: Key definitions in Emacs + X Organization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics Lines: 42 Hi. I use Emacs and I want to customize my keyboard better. When I set up stuff in my .emacs with a keymap and define-keys, I can only access certain of the keys on my X-Terminal's keyboard. I can't get e.g. F10, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn; they all seem to have either the same or no keycode. I have a feeling this can't be fixed in emacs itself, but that I need to do some xmodmap stuff. Can someone help me? By the way, I've checked the X-FAQ and posted a similar message to gnu.emacs.help to no response. Currently I have the following in my .emacs file (inside a 'cond'): ((string-match ""^xterm"" (getenv ""TERM"")) ;; done by aj 8/92. I don't know what most of this does... (defvar xterm-map (make-sparse-keymap) ""Keymap for xterm special keys"") (define-key esc-map ""["" 'xterm-prefix) (fset 'xterm-prefix xterm-map) ;;Keys F1 to F12 (define-key xterm-map ""224z"" 'goto-line) ;F1 (define-key xterm-map ""225z"" 'what-line) ;F2 (define-key xterm-map ""226z"" 'rmail) ;F3 (define-key xterm-map ""227z"" 'replace-string) ;F4 (define-key xterm-map ""228z"" 'end-of-line) ;F5 (define-key xterm-map ""229z"" 'kill-line) ;F6 (define-key xterm-map ""230z"" 'yank) ;F7 (define-key xterm-map ""231z"" 'beginning-of-line);F8 (define-key xterm-map ""232z"" 'end-of-line) ;F9 (define-key xterm-map ""192z"" 'scroll-down) ;F11 (define-key xterm-map ""193z"" 'scroll-up) ;F12 ;;Keys F10, up, down, etc. ??????? can't get the keys (define-key xterm-map ""-1z"" 'set-mark-command)) ) -- Andrew Jaffe ajaffe@oddjob.uchicago.edu Dep't of Astronomy and Astrophysics, U. Chicago 5640 S. Ellis Ave (312) 702-6041 Chicago, IL 60637-1433 (312) 702-8212 FAX ";12;1 "From: jeremi@ee.ualberta.ca (William Jeremiah) Subject: Looking for printer driver Nntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 8 I'm looking for a c.itoh printer driver for Windows 3.1. Does anybody happen to know where I could find such a beast? Thanks in advance, Jerry -- ""Look ma! No .signature!"" ";-1;0 "From: res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) Subject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea... Organization: Little to None Lines: 18 In article <1qn1ic$hp6@access.digex.net> pcw@access.digex.com (Peter Wayner) writes: >That leads me to conjecture that: ... >2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks I seriously doubt that any practical implementation of this proposal would place the onus on the individual to register keys. Realistically, the Clipper-Chip will probably emit an ID code which will serve as the identifier when requesting the key fragments. The chip manufacturer would register this identifier code vs. key combination when the chip is made and the (uninitiated) end-user can therefore remain completely outside the loop. The chip could be used in a cellular phone, a modem, or other device -- it really makes no difference: When the authorities detect the use of this encryption standard during surveillance, they would then capture the ID and apply for the key in order to decrypt the data. -- Rob Stampfli rob@colnet.cmhnet.org The neat thing about standards: 614-864-9377 HAM RADIO: kd8wk@n8jyv.oh There are so many to choose from. ";-1;0 "From: hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) Subject: Re: Looking to buy Dodge Stealth, have questions Keywords: questions Organization: Chevron Lines: 66 In article <1993Apr2.030031.15691@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: |> In article <1993Apr1.104746@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: I found a Mopar spec sheet this weekend: model wgt hp Stealth 3086 164 Stealth ES 3186 222 Stealth RT 3373 222 Stealth RT TT 3803 300 Okay, I'll take ""their"" word for it. > I am giving every chance to retract figures widely known. The Mustang is > rated at 205. 222-205 is 17. You have a 17hp advantage over a Mustang Seems that the 1993 Mustang 5.0 is rated at 205 hp ONLY because Ford changed its testing procedures. Under the older procedures, it still rates closer to 225 hp. That means that the Mustang has 3 hp more. And you still haven't posted any weight figures for the Mustang. > Big threat. You are KO'd by a Civic, acording to C+D Yeah, sure, in your wet dreams. And that's probably where you got that 11.2 second 0-60 for the Stealth. >> I'll check C&D's 5/91 issue. Strange that you claim to have that > > Go ahead and check asshole, you'll realize what an idiot you are for not > checking data beforeposting. Car+ Drive, may 91. Stealth ES, 222hp, > automatic. For 3 posts now you've been harping on this May 1991 issue of Car & Driver without posting any numbers. Why not? Because they prove me right and you ain't got the guts to admit it? Yeah, thought so. > The Sentra SE-R really is alot quicker than the 222hp FWD Sports car. > You are close to the 9k sentra-e. Go look up the numbers in C+D - and > report please. No, I'm going to play your game - No way, Sentra's are SLOW! I took a test drive and it took 21.7 to go 0-50! Why, even the Hyundai Excel blows it doors off. Any 12 yr old knows that! I race and I'll kick your butt! blah, blah, blah... Let's see ... yep, that sounds just like you. Oh man, I just got it! Beavis & Butthead - that's you! > Who would buy a FWD automatic, that costs $20K+ that is capable of only > a 15.8 and would plainly be dusted by a SE-R? I dunno, why did you? But why would someone pick the Dodge Stealth RT over the Nissan Sentra? All it takes is one look. TRAVIS ";-1;0 "From: mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne) Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department Reply-To: mayne@cs.fsu.edu Lines: 14 In article <7912@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: >[Many good points deleted. Anyone who missed it should see the original.] >Lists like this that just toss a bunch of quotes together to >make a bible verse salad just don't cut it. Those of us who >want to argue against inerrancy should find this sort of thing >as embarassing as the fundies should find Josh McDowell. True, except that I've known few fundies who had enough sense to be embarrassed by Josh McDowell. (Okay, maybe a cheap shot. But I'm in that kind of mood.) Bill Mayne ";-1;0 "From: jml@norman.vi.ri.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Radar Jammers And Stealth Cars Nntp-Posting-Host: westend.vi.ri.cmu.edu Reply-To: jml@visus.com Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Distribution: usa Lines: 6 Eric H. Taylor writes > ... If you are determined > to go faster, get an airplane. They dont have speed limits. Just don't make a habit of buzzing your local airport at >200 knots (250 knots if you're flying a jet). :-) ";-1;0 "From: vic@mmalt.guild.org (Vic Kulikauskas) Subject: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell) Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 11 Our Moderator writes: > I'm inclined to read descriptions such as the lake of fire as > indicating annihilation. However that's a minority view. ... > It's my personal view, but the only denominations I know of that hold > it officially are the JW's and SDA's. I can't find the reference right now, but didn't C.S.Lewis speculate somewhere that hell might be ""the state of once having been a human soul""? ";-1;0 "From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (The Beav) Subject: DoD Confessional Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824 Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 31 I can't help myself. I've tried to be rational, to look the other way, but everytime it happens, its uncontrollable. I hate pre'80s motorcycles. At first I thought it was a phase. I though I would get used to them. It didn't happen. I tried gazing at CB750s and 900 customs, but each time I sadistically pictured them being hurled off of large precipice (I also picture a swarm of german tourists cheering and taking holiday snaps, but I can't figure that part out). What am I to do? Everytime I read a .sig containing some spoked wheel wonder, I shudder and feel pity that the poor soul has suffered enough. I imagine the owner scrapping out his (or her) living in a discarded Maytag refridgerator box, tucked in next to their CX500. I'm hoping for some deliverance. I had in the past loathed the Milwaukee machine, but I can actually begin to understand some of the preaching. There must be hope. -- =================================================== = The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733 = = V65Sabre mbeaving@bnr.ca = = My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! = =================================================== ";7;1 "From: monty%roscom@think.com (Monty Solomon) Subject: PowerBook 170 4/40 Expires: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 00:43:13 GMT Reply-To: Monty Solomon Organization: Proponent Lines: 8 The PowerBook 170 4/40 with Fax/Data modem is available thru CitiBank's CitiDollars catalog for $1995.00 + $19.95 S/H (+ 500 CitiDollars). The modem is 2400 bps data, 9600 bps fax (send only). -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com ";-1;0 "From: horton@what.sps.mot.com (David Horton) Subject: Re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.10.249.26 Organization: Motorola Inc. MMTG Oakhill Austin Texas Lines: 27 In article <1qqf6b$oc6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bm967@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Kantrowitz) writes: > >From: push@media.mit.edu (Pushpinder Singh) >Subject: re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 03:17:45 GMT > >> When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done, >> particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines >> appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open >> windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a >> window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away >> the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not >> observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple >> monitor with 256 colors is used. >> >> I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has >> been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse. > >etc. > >Has anyone NOT had these problems in the given configurations? >(that would help eliminate design flaw as the explanation) As a data point, I'm using a Centris 610 4/80 with the Apple 16"" monitor and do NOT have these problems. DCH ";-1;0 "From: bloom@inland.com Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr15.001813.3907@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes: > Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya ! > > > The stud on the side of the bike that clunked when I turned was absent. I'm > fairly sure it was there before the event. In fact, the thread in > the hole in the footpeg was perfectly intact, with no evidence of something > having been forcefully ripped out of it only moments previously. > > Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ? How can you > rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without > damaging the thread in the hole ? You can't knock a threaded stud out from its hole without destroying the threads. Also part of the stud would still be in the hole. Therefore the stud was *not* in the hole before you touched something down on that side of the bike. ....Dr. Doom ";-1;0 "From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 25 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article , jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes: > I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in > connection with their proposal for an early manned landing. Sorry I don't > rember where I heard this, but I'm fairly sure it was somewhere reputable. > Anyone else know anything on this angle? The General Chairman is Paul Bialla, who is some official of General Dynamics. The emphasis seems to be on a scaled-down, fast plan to put *people* on the Moon in an impoverished spaceflight-funding climate. You'd think it would be a golden opportunity to do lots of precusor work for modest money using an agressive series of robot spacecraft, but there's not a hint of this in the brochure. > Hrumph. They didn't send _me_ anything :( You're not hanging out with the Right People, apparently. Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | ""I'm gonna keep on writing songs Fermilab | until I write the song Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | that makes the guys in Detroit Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | who draw the cars SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | put tailfins on 'em again."" --John Prine ";-1;0 "From: abbott@priory.enet.dec.com (Robert Abbott) Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe?? Nntp-Posting-Host: priory Organization: TP Performance Lines: 18 In article <1r1crn$27g@transfer.stratus.com>, tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com (Tommy Szeto) writes... >Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe. Every >once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water >under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk. I would guess this usually happens >after a good thunder storm. A few Qs: > >1) Is this a common problem? >2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch? > I had the same problem in my '90 MX-6. Luckily I had it fixed under warranty. I think they replaced a tail light gasket. Check with a dealer, it's a known problem. ------------------------ Robert K. Abbott abbott@tps.enet.dec.com ";10;1 "From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam) Subject: Re: WANTED: Address SYMANTEC Reply-To: lam@jove.cofc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 27 dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter) writes: >I am looking for the exact address of the Symantec Coporatoin, which >distributes Norton Desktop and other Windows software. > >The information I am looking for is: > >Mail address >Phone number >Fax number >E-mail address Try postmaster@norton.com or postmaster@symantec.com > >Thanks in advance. > >-- >*** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. *** >*** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 *** >*** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands *** >*** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl *** -- --- Ken Lam Network Administrator @ University of Charleston / Dept of Biology & Geology S.C. Space Grant Consortium (803)-792-4969 / FAX (803)-792-5446 ";-1;0 "Subject: Origin of Morphine From: chinsz@eis.calstate.edu (Christopher Hinsz) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 20 I am sorry to once again bother those of you on this newsgroup. If you have any suggestions as to where I might find out about the subject of this letter (the origin of Morphine, ie. who first isolsted it, and why he/she attempted such an experiment). Once agian any suggestion would be appreciated. CSH p.s. My instructer insists that I get 4 rescources from this newsgroup, so please send me and info you think may be helpful. Facts that you know, but don't know what book they're from are ok. ATTENTION: If you do NOT like seeing letters such as this one on your newsgroup direct all complaints to my instructor at -- ""Kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb. Most of it's up, until you reach the very, very top, and then it tends to slope away rather sharply."" Sir George Head, OBE (JC) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LOGIC: ""The point is frozen, the beast is dead, what is the difference?"" Gavin Millarrrrrrrrrr (JC) ";-1;0 "From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: SOURCE to Mactinosh PGP 2.2 in C available Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 84 *** SOURCE code to Macintosh PGP 2.2 now available via anonymous FTP *** FTP netcom.com CD pub/grady MGET MacPGP2.2src.sea.hqx MGET MacPGP2.2srcSIGNATURE Convert to a Compact Pro self-extracting archive with BinHex 4.0. If appropriate, check the digital signature of the .hqx file with your copy of PGP. (Non-Macintosh users wishing to check the digital signature please note that 'CR' denotes the end-of-line on a Macintosh, not 'LF' or 'CRLF'.) For the purposes of the ITAR act, this 'unclassified technical documentation' is hereby released into the public domain. (However no representation is made as to copyright or other commercial rights that may exist in this package.) Full source code, Symantec THINK C 5.0.4 projects and full user documentation is included for both 68020 and 68000 versions of Pretty Good Privacy, a strong public key encryption and digital signature application using the RSA algorithm patented in the United States and the IDEA cipher patented in Switzerland. No executables are included. Executables are available via anonymous FTP from: leif.thep.lu.se (Sweden) night.nig.ac.jp (Japan) van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca (Canada) soda.berkeley.edu (P.R. of Berkeley) src.doc.ic.ac.uk (United Kingdom) ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Italy) plaza.aarnet.edu.au (Australia) nic.funet.fi (Finland) Other's public keys are available from anonymous server sites: (Send message subject ""help"" for more information.) Internet sites: pgp-public-keys@junkbox.cc.iastate.edu Michael Graff explorer@iastate.edu FTP: tbird.cc.iastate.edu:/usr/explorer/public-keys.pgp pgp-public-keys@toxicwaste.mit.edu Derek Atkins warlord@MIT.EDU FTP: toxicwaste.mit.edu:/pub/keys/public-keys.pgp pgp-public-keys@phil.utmb.edu John Perry perry@phil.utmb.edu FTP: phil.utmb.edu:/pub/pgp/public-keys.pgp pgp-public-keys@demon.co.uk Mark Turner mark@demon.co.uk FTP: ftp.demon.co.uk:/pub/pgp/pubring.pgp UUCP site: pgp-public-keys@jpunix.com John Perry perry@jpunix.com The executable application built from these sources has NOT been licensed by RSA Data Security, Inc. nor has the RSA public key algorithm or the IDEA block cipher algorithm been approved by the National Security Agency. This unclassified technical documentation is made available for EDUCATIONAL USE ONLY; possession, distribution, or use of an executable binary built from this source may be a civil or criminal offense. Suggested improvements, bugs, or comments should be directly posted to alt.security.pgp or to the principal developers listed among the source documents. General questions and comments about public key cryptography or the IDEA cipher may be posted to alt.security.pgp or to the sci.crypt Usenet groups. -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F ";16;1 "From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 34 In article , ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) writes: > I think you are vastly oversimplifying things. We know that early Christians > suffered totures because of their witness to Christ. For example: [ ACT 5:40 - 41 ] > It appears that the Jewish rulers of that time had a particular aversion > to even hearing Jesus's name. ... > Finally, the first apostle's death, James of Zebedee was certainly > not by Rome's hand any more than the first martyr Stephen. ... > The problem was that if one believed in the Resurrection, then one > must believe in Jesus as truly being the Son of God and what He > stood for and preached during His ministry on Earth. That would > have been extremely difficult for some people, especially those > that had plotted to kill Him. The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on the biblical text. Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to the hermeneia commentary on Acts). Moreover Luke's account is written at least 90 years after the fact. In the meantime everyone he mentions has died and attempts to find actual written sources behind the text have come up with only the we section of the later portion of acts as firmly established. Moreover, Pauls account of some of the events in Acts (as recorded in Galatians) fail to establish the acts accounts. What we need, therefore, is a reliable text, critically appreciated, which documents the death of Christians for belief in the Resurrection. I would suggest you look at some greek and roman historians. I think you will be disapointed. randy ";-1;0 "From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) Subject: Re: Threatening Gun Owners Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu In article <7178@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gswst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Gary S. Wachs) writes: > >Hello, > >I'm writing a story on the future of Gun Control. There are a >few points I would welcome your opinion on. It's wonderful having a >resource like this newsgroup to take advantage of and I thank you in advance >for your feedback! > >1. What do you believe are the most serious threats to gun-owners in the >future? * The Government * Liberals * BATF, FBI, DEA, etc. (see #1) >2. Are you concerned that the 2nd ammendment could be reinterpreted to >apply to the armed forces only, barring civilians from owning arms of >any kind? Well... contributions == taxes abortion == elimination of fetal tissue Clinton == president faggot == spouse It could happen... >3. If you did have control over what types of arms people would be allowed >to buy, which types would you feel compelled to restrict to military >uses only (ie. bazooka, M16, grenade, atomic bomb, etc.) Hydrogen Bomb, perhaps. >4. Would you describe HCI and all other gun control activists as being >determined to make it illegal for a civilian to own or use a firearm? Yep. >5. Have you personally read the Brady Bill in its entirety? Yep. >Thank again, > >Gary -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lance W. Bledsoe lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu (512) 258-0112 | | ""Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free."" | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: rab@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Bickford) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Lines: 32 In article , tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes: > >This isn't intended to be a flame or anything, I am just really curious >how to manufacture these things while still maintaining the key escrow >security without simply saying ""trust the manufacturer, they won't look"". Without getting into the *really* *thorny* questions about reverse engineering and all of that, let me just point out that there already exist gate arrays and suchlike that have what's known as a security fuse which can be programmed after you've verified all other programming -- this makes it impossible to read out the programming of the device (again, ignoring the reverse engineering questions). Speaking from experience here: I had to completely reinvent one of my designs some six or seven years ago when the disk file was zapped, the backups were all bad, and the devices were unreadable because of the security fuses. Made me appreciate the value of printouts. ;-) So on this point at least there's not so much worry. But whether or not we can get the chips made reliably and securely is really secondary to the question of whether use of the chip is itself likely to be secure, methinks. -- Robert Bickford ""A Hacker is any person who derives joy from rab@well.sf.ca.us discovering ways to circumvent limitations."" rab'86 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ""I recognize that a class of criminals and juvenile delinquents has taken to calling themselves 'hackers', but I consider them irrelevant to the true meaning of the word; just as the Mafia calls themselves 'businessmen' but nobody pays that fact any attention."" rab'90 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ";-1;0 "From: robink@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Robin Kenny) Subject: Re: CMOS memory loss..Any idea why? Organization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 14 How is the CMOS backed-up? Dry cell batteries or ni-cad cell? Your batteries may be dead. mwallack@kean.ucs.mun.ca (mwallack@kean.ucs.mun.ca) wrote: : A friend's computer recently failed to recognize its hard drive. : On examination it was discovered that the CMOS had lost all data. : No other problems were discovered. When the CMOS was restored, : everything appeared to work as before. This all happened after : a long period of stable operation. The most recent change had : been the addition of a second hard drive as a slave. Qemm had : been installed along with DeskView for quite a while. Any ideas? : The computer is a 386dx with 8megs of ram, an ATI Wonder xl card, and is : about a year and a half old. ";-1;0 "From: pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) Subject: Re: Rawlins debunks creationism Organization: I didn't do it, nobody saw me, you can't prove a thing. Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr15.223844.16453@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) wrote: > > We are talking about origins, not merely science. Science cannot > explain origins. For a person to exclude anything but science from > the issue of origins is to say that there is no higher truth > than science. This is a false premise. Says who? Other than a hear-say god. > By the way, I enjoy science. You sure don't understand it. > It is truly a wonder observing God's creation. Macroevolution is > a mixture of 15 percent science and 85 percent religion [guaranteed > within three percent error :) ] Bill, I hereby award you the Golden Shovel Award for the biggist pile of bullshit I've seen in a whils. I'm afraid there's not a bit of religion in macroevolution, and you've made a rather grand statement that Science can not explain origins; to a large extent, it already has! > // Bill Rawlins // Peter W. Walker ""Yu, shall I tell you what knowledge is? When Dept. of Space Physics you know a thing, say that you know it. When and Astronomy you do not know a thing, admit you do not know Rice University it. This is knowledge."" Houston, TX - K'ung-fu Tzu ";9;1 "From: PA146008@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (David Veal) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Lines: 43 In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: >I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, >but here goes: > >Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT > > MURDER MOST FOUL!! > [...] > >THIS IS MURDER! > >ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!! > >THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! Well, chalk one up for driving away sympathies by looking like a paranoid lunatic. > >I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see >it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was >still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left >alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. > >I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**! Last I heard there were nine. Apparently as of this point they've found no bodies, except those killed during the initial assault a couple of months ago. Be cute if Koresh hit the trail. Maybe he was bodily assumed into heaven. Wouldn't that just make AG Reno's day? --------------------------------------------------------------------- David Veal University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed\ When you pushed me down the elevator shaft\ ... Sometimes I get to thinking you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" Yankovic. ";-1;0 "From: ayari@judikael.loria.fr (Ayari Iskander) Subject: NHLPA poll (Stats/3rd uptade) Organization: Crin - Inria-Lorraine Lines: 54 3rd uptade: Here are the standings for the poll after 39 votes: 5 points for 1st, 4 for 2nd,... 1 point for 5th: EA/ NHLPA game 1. DET 102 2. CHI 97 3. NY 74 4. VAN 73 5. MTL 69 6. PIT 33 7. WSH 29 8. BOS 21 9..ASW 16 10.CGY 10 11.QUE 9 12.ASE 8 13.WPG 7 14.LA 5 OTW 5 STL 5 TOR 5 18.BUF 3 PHI 3 TBY 3 21.SJ 2 22.MIN 1 Atlanta to win Turner Cup 1 (not in the game, but 1 person vote) 24.EDM 0 HTF 0 LI 0 NJ 0 4 teams have no point Continue to send your votes in this format (until April 20th, approximately) ------------------------------------------------ 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. ------------------------------------------------ Keywords: -- _____________________________________________________ Email : Iskander.Ayari@loria.fr ou ayari@loria.fr _____________________________________________________ ";13;1 "From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) Subject: Re: Supply Side Economic Policy Article-I.D.: desire.1993Apr6.130430.8264 Organization: ACME Products Lines: 65 In article <186042@pyramid.pyramid.com>, pcollac@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Paul Collacchi) writes: > In article , ashish+@andrew.cmu.edu > (Ashish Arora) writes: > |> Excerpts from netnews.sci.econ: 5-Apr-93 Re: Supply Side Economic Po.. > |> by Not a Boomer@desire.wrig > |> [...] > |> > |> > The deficits declined from 84-9, reaching a low of 2.9% of GNP before > |> > the tax and spending hike of 1990 reversed the trend. > |> > > |> > Brett > |> Is this true ? Some more details would be appreciated. > |> > |> cheers > > Actually not. Brett himself has actually posted the data previously. > What declined from 84 to 89, as I remember it, was _percent > increase_in_deficit_growth, i.e. the rate of growth of the deficit > (2nd derivative of total deficit with respect of to time) decreased. Would you please define ""nth derivative of debt""? Last time I asked you seem to have disappeared.... And it's the deficits themselves that came down to 2.9% of GNP. The numbers are posted in the previous posting. > Brett apparently has numbed himself into thinking that the deficit > declined. Cute, Paul, but with no numbers you still look foolish. > If you keep spending more than you earn, the deficit keeps > growing. Paul, like many others, is confusing the deficit with the debt. > If you keep _borrowing_ at a lesser rate than you borrowed > previously, the deficit increases. You only decrease deficits when your > income exceeds spending and you use the difference to pay off debts. Not in terms of GNP, the one universally accepted measure of deficits (at least among rigorous economists :) ... > arguments were brilliant. He confirmed, with data, what many of us know > with common sense -- the boom of the 80's has nothing to do with government > policy, particularly ""supply side"" policy, since taxes do not ""cause"" > economic activities. People cause economic activity. More can be Semantics. Lindsey proves otherwise. Taxes make people change their economic activities. Or shall we debate whether it is the gun, the bullet, or the person who does the killing? > explained by watching population waves roll through the years and > create cycles. He has made models and predictions for years well into > the middle of next century. It will be neat to see how accurate he > is. Or whether this gentleman can win the same praise as Lindsey. :) Brett ________________________________________________________________________________ ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. ";-1;0 "From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: Moonbase race Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 22 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article <1993Apr21.204941.15055@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >In article <1r46o9INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: > >>So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the >>U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida? > >Why would you want to do that? The goal is to do it cheaper (remember, >this isn't government). Instead of leasing an expensive launch pad, >just use a SSTO and launch from a much cheaper facility. Allen, sometimes I think you're OK. And sometimes you tend to rashly leap into making statement without thinking them out. Wanna guess which today? You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff. Do you know of a private Titan pad? Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- ";-1;0 "From: ameline@vnet.IBM.COM (Ian Ameline) Subject: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: C-Set/2 Development, IBM Canada Lab. Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM Lines: 33 I suspect that this clipper thing could backfire on the Gov in a big hurry. I expect that products using these chips will socket them rather than soldering them, since once the keys are handed over by the escrow agencies, the chip is so much garbage, and will need to be replaced. I expect that someone will come along with a pin compatible chip that uses secure encryption -- possibly even disguised so that it's not possible to tell it from the clipper chip until you try to use the 2 backdoor keys. If I were to manufacture such a chip, as part of my marketing strategy, I would try to subvert one or both escrow agencies either through bribes or industrial espionage -- and then publicize the fact. (doing my best not to be connected with such activities -- which would likely not be legal :-) Publicly discrediting the escrow agencies would go quite far towards creating a market for a secure alternative. I also believe that someone will reverse engineer the clipper chip, and knowlege of the algorithm will likely be fairly widespread. Any back- doors or weaknesses would further discredit the scheme, and help grow the market demand for a secure alternative. I believe that the company that provides such an alternative will make few friends in the LE community, but lots of money. I also believe that the government will do it's best to make such plug replacements illegal. I expect that they will see the same success in limiting the availability of such alternatives as they have seen in limiting the availability of certain illicit drugs -- ie. little to none. Regards, Ian Ameline. (Of course the ramblings above have nothing to do with my employer, nor do I necessarily advocate doing any of the things described here -- I just believe that the events above are likely to take place) ";-1;0 "From: Patrick C Leger Subject: It's all Mary's fault! Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu You know, it just occurred to me today that this whole Christian thing can be blamed solely on Mary. So, she's married to Joseph. She gets knocked up. What do you think ol' Joe will do if he finds she's been getting around? So Mary comes up with this ridiculous story about God making her pregnant. Actually, it can't be all THAT ridiculous, considering the number of people that believe it. Anyway, she never tells anyone the truth, and even tells poor little Jesus that he's hot shit, the Son of God. Everyone else tells him this too, since they've bought Mary's story. So, what does Mary actually turn out to be? An adultress and a liar, and the cause of mankind's greatest folly... Just my recently-minted two cents. Chris ---------------------- Chris Leger Sophomore, Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineering Remember...if you don't like what somebody is saying, you can always ignore them! ";-1;0 "From: Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) Subject: Placebo effects Lines: 17 I know that the placebo effect is where a patient feels better or even gets better because of his/her belief in the medicine and the doctor administering it. Is there also an anti-placebo effect where the patient dislikes/distrusts doctors and medicine and therefore doesn't get better or feel better in spite of the medicine? Is there an effect where the doctor believes so strongly in a medicine that he/she sees improvement where the is none or sees more improvement than there is? If so, what is this effect called? Is there a reverse of the above effect where the doctor doesn't believe in a medicine and then sees less improvement than there is? What would this effect be called? Have these effects ever been studied? How common are these effects? Thank you in advance for all replies. ... Information is very valuable but dis-information is MUCH more common. ";-1;0 "From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Options that would be great to have... Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 26 A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing options on a car, or things you'd like to have... 1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge... 2) Full size spare 3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors. 4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment and cabin. Feel free to add on... Regards, Charles x -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person ";-1;0 "From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST Lines: 10 In-reply-to: whaley@sigma.kpc.com's message of 20 Apr 93 01:12:28 GMT In article whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes: > As per your question: why not have the button handler add the object, and > then call the ""window_redraw()"" (or whatever) directly? Although, depending This design will work but I don't think it can take easily take advantage of expose event redraw optimization; that is, the whole window will be redrawn, not just the area with the new item. P.S. I'm replying here because my/your mailer didn't agree with the return address whaley@sigma.kpc.com. ";-1;0 "From: Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (Bjorn B. Larsen) Subject: Re: The Bible available in every language (was Re: SATANIC TOUNGES) Reply-To: bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no Organization: delab Lines: 31 In article koberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) writes: > [ ... about tongues ... ] > The concept of tongues as used at Pentecost seems an outdated concept > now. With the Bible available in nearly every language, and missionaries > who are out there in ALL languages, why does the church need tongues? I guess there are at least some people who are not able to support this claim. There are still a lot of languages without the Bible, or a part of the Bible. There are still many languages which we are not able to write, simply because the written version of the language has not yet been defined! I guess this is one of the main goals for Wycliffe Bible Translators: To define rules and a grammar for writing the 'rest' of the languages of this world. I do not see that any of them will have any reason to become unemployed during the foreseeable future. (Provided they get their neccessary support!) And still they are one of the 3 largest missionary organizations of the world. Bjorn -- ______________________________________________________________________ s-mail: e-mail: | | | Bjorn B. Larsen bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no |__ |__ | SINTEF DELAB | \| \| N-7034 TRONDHEIM tel: +47-7-592682 / 592600 |__/|__/|_ NORWAY fax: +47-7-591039 / 594302 ______________________________________________________________________ ";-1;0 "From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Re: Dmm Advice Needed Article-I.D.: doug.1993Apr17.020555.6004 Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 14 In article <734953838.AA00510@insane.apana.org.au> peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) writes: > >If you are going to use one where it counts (eg:aviation, space scuttle, >etc) then I suggest you go and buy a Fluke (never seen a Beckman), however >for every other use you can buy a cheapie. My Beckman died a few days ago, thanks do about a 4 or 5 foot drop onto a lab table. !@#!@$#!@$@#$ Probably not indicative of anything, but I've already filled out the requisition for a Fluke 87. :-) Oh yeah, and sometimes our measurements here do count. Not often, but often enough that I want at least _one_ good meter! ---Joel Kolstad ";-1;0 "From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 51 In dans@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan S.) writes: >brian@gab.unt.edu (Brian ""Drakula"" Stone) writes: >(No axe to grind here I'm just a scientist and I hate to see statistics abused.) Pity you didn't say something about the use of statistics to justify targeting and persecuting a minority, then. >>Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three >>times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin. >I am a hetero man and have had sex with one woman in my life (my wife). It is >very pleasing to me to be able to say that. I hope you have the same feeling >as I do. I also wish that you could (if you wanted) experience the joys and >trials of being committed to someone for life (there is something about marriage >that makes the commitment much greater than one might expect). What in the Tree makes you think we queers CAN'T experience that commitment? What's stopping us from committing to one partner for the rest of our lives? I have every intention of doing so, once I find the right person...and whether that person is male or female, I seriously doubt that a church ceremony/public vow/licence will make any difference whatsoever in the sort of commitment I experience with that person. You have no conception of the difference marriage makes since you have never known any other way. >>Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero... >Don't forget about the culture. Sadly, we don't (as a society) look upon >homosexuality as normal (and as we are all too well aware, there are alot >of people who condemn it). As a result, the gay population is not encouraged >to develop ""non-promiscuous"" relationships. In fact there are many roadblocks >put in the way of such committed relationships. It is as if the heterosexual >community puts these blocks there so as to perpetuate the claim that gays >are immoral. ""My, if we allowed gays to marry, raise children ... we might >just find out they're as moral as we are, can't have that can we?"" You're getting to the right idea here...just be careful of making statements like the above, and you'll be part of the solution and not the problem. >Just some thoughts. Flame away. :) No flames necessary. :) Drywid -- ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! \ ---- as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu TreeWater \\ / \/ ""Words Weren't Made For Cowards""--Happy Rhodes ";-1;0 "From: ada41546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Driftwood) Subject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. Article-I.D.: news.C51uC6.BL1 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 9 I totally agree with each point you made. Jose Viscaino looked like a single A hitter up there. Who swings on 3-1 count with Maddux pitching and your teams down by a run, and you haven't touched the ball all day. I also think too much is made of that lefty-righty thing. Watching the Cubs games I get the feeling Steve Stone knows a lot more about what the Cubs should be doing than Lefebre does. Harry said it best when he stated after another terrible Vizcaino at bat-- we can't wait til Sandberg returns! ";-1;0 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details Lines: 8 The protocol/key-management description published so far is either incomplete or incorrect. It leaves me with no idea of how the system would actually _work_. I hope the CPSR FOIA request succeeds so that we get full details. Wouldn't it be easier just to ask denning@cs.georgetown.edu? ;-) G ";-1;0 "From: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae) Subject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks Reply-To: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae) Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View CA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: grendal.corp.sun.com In article <1993Apr21.024036.7394@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David F. Newman) writes: > Hi there, > Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found > on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would > be greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance. HAP controls just outside Chicago sells these. I don't remember which suburb they are in. The prices are pretty reasonable and they are easy to hook up. I bought a new coin mechanism from them for $25.00 a couple of years ago. Andrew MacRae ";-1;0 "From: kjell@hut.fi (Kjell Ljungqvist) Subject: Driver for Panasonic KX-P4430 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology Lines: 15 Distribution: comp Reply-To: Kjell.Ljungqvist@hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.cs.hut.fi Greetings! I am looking pro a Win 3.1 printer driver for the Panasonic laser printer KX-P4430. (I am not sure about the order of the first letters in the name, but the numbers are right and they are important.) I have found drivers for Panasonic printers 4450 and so on, but I think there should be drivers available where the 4430 model is included. Grateful for any help! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kjell@hut.fi kjell@niksula.hut.fi kjell@vipunen.hut.fi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: gt3635a@prism.gatech.EDU (Greg 'Spike' Bishop) Subject: HELP!!! My ESDI is posessed by demons! Distribution: usa Organization: National Association for the Free Exchange of Information Lines: 29 HELP! I really got ripped off and I need some help unripping myself. I bought a Maxtor 4380 300mb ESDI HDD from Hi-Tech for $300, then paid to get it repaired, for about another $300. Here's the deal: The thing works fine! It low level formats, etc without any bad spots at all! AND THEN... (Jaws Music) sectors start going bad! EEK!!! One at a time. Norton disk doctor keeps marking some U and some C. That FIXES it. For about 5 minutes. Then next day when I run NDD on it again: NO DICE more uncorrectable and correctable sectors. AHHHHHUUUURRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! So I fugure: ""Ok, NDD's just not being thurough enough, I'll use Spinrite, I heard that works well."" What happens? Spinrite goes and returns the clusters to active use!!! AHHHUUUURRRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!! NDD undoes it of course. The problem seams to be getting worse and worse. HOWEVER when the HDD is low level formatted again the problem goes away for a while, only to return in a day or so. I'm so pissed off right now I'm considering buying another HDD, and I really can't afford it. I'm using SMARTDRIVE, and WINDOWS 3.1 (I'm not using the 32 bit disk access though, I know that can create problems). The disk is using the second option to trick the controller into thinking it's got less then 1024 cyls, and everything else selected is standard, maybe I need to use a different head skew or something? I don't know. ANYONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO FIX THIS PROBLEM PLEASE TELL ME HOW!!!! HELP!!!! -- GT: ""Designing tommorow the night before with yesterday's technology."" ";-1;0 "From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov (Rick 'Open VMS 4ever' Colombo) Subject: Re: Do trains/busses have radar? Nntp-Posting-Host: bronco.fnal.gov Organization: Fermilab Computing Division Lines: 27 In article , mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew liggett) writes: > In <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: > > >> While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45 >> somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a >> train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over >> the northbound lanes. There appeared to be movement within the cab >> and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look. Just as I >> passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full >> alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong. >> I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized. > >> Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what? > > I don't know about trains, but I've saw a sign on the back of a Greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off. It doesn't explain why, but it does set off my radar detector. ___________________________________________________________________________ ***** * * From the e-net desk of: Rick Colombo CD/DCD/DSG * * * ** * Fermi Nat'l Acc'l Lab 708-840-8225 Fermilab * * * *** * * * P.O. Box 500 MS 369 Feynman Computer Center ***** * * * ** Batavia, Ill. USA 60510 Colombo@fnal.fnal.gov * * ***** * Of course I speak for: Fermilab, Congress and the President... NOT!!! ";-1;0 "From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) Subject: Re: Point within a polygon Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu Keywords: point, polygon In article <1993Apr14.102007.20664@uk03.bull.co.uk>, scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes: |> I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a |> polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing |> information on the subject ? |> |> Regards |> |> Simon Basically, there are two algorithms determining whether a point is inside, outside or on the polygon. The first one is Ray (or half line) method. In this method, you can draw any ray, if the number of the intersection point of the ray and the polygon is even, then it is outside. If the number is odd, then it is inside. Of cause, you have to deal with the special cases which may make you headache. The second method is PI algorithm. Draw the lines between the point and all the vertices on the polygon. Calculate and sum the angles of the successive lines. If the result is 2*PI, then it is inside. If PI, then it is on the polygon. Otherwise it is outside. My experience tells the second method is relible. Hope this helps. Yeh USC ";1;1 "From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) Subject: Re: JUDAS, CRUCIFIXION, TYRE, Etc... Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu In article <1qe8qk$58t@news.ysu.edu> af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes: > >I need to prioritize things in my life, and this board is not all that important >to me. My personal relationship wife the Lord is first, my wife is second, and >my ministry at church is third. (Not to mention my job!) Have you informed your wife of this prioritization? This board will have >to wait until (if ever) I can organize my life to fit it in. I tried dropping >out, but Sieferman coerced me to come back. He won't this time. Thou hast used my name in vain! I never coerce. Ridicule, maybe, but never coerce. Please take responsibility for your actions. (deletia) >I'm history. >Frank I appreciate your efforts. Good luck. ";-1;0 "From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) Subject: Re: Pens playoff radio coverage (was:Re: Radio stations) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 18 In article , gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic) writes: > > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Who's the mindscheme(?) behind this one -- Ted > Simmons? As the saying goes, ""If it ain't broke, don't fix it."" I'm 230 > miles from home (during the school year) and will never be able to pick up > DVE. At least now I can sort of make out what Mike and Steigy say through > all the static on KDKA. This just may be enough reason for me to transfer > to Duquesne and live at home. Who's going to announce on DVE anyway? > Paulson and Krenn? (Just kidding.) > > George Don't kid around... They just might listen. Kevin L. Stamber Purdue University waiting to hear 'Free Bird' as the new Penguins theme ";-1;0 "From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers? Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 26 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 150493174345@17.127.11.85, jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin) writes: > >I can file a complaint about this? And actually have the chance to have >something done? How? Who? Where? A traffic citation is an accusation of having committed a crime. That's why they have to go through the motions of having a trial if you want one, you are still innocent until proven guilty. Cops are not the only ones who can accuse people of committing crimes, anyone who witnesses a crime can do so. Go to the Highway Patrol and explain the situation, give them a description of the car and the license number, and tell them the specific violation of the law which you witnessed and wish to prosecute (ie, search the Vehicle Code and have the section number handy). Fill out the ticket and sign it. It will go through the same system any ticket a cop writes goes through. If contested, you will have to appear in court to prosecute. Your word will not carry the same weight as a cop's. --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... ";-1;0 "From: ICH344@DJUKFA11.BITNET Subject: Wanted: Slot card with VGA + HDD-Contr. Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich Lines: 18 Hello, I am looking for a PC card with the following features: - Controller for IDE(AT-Bus)-HardDiskDrive - Controller for 2 FloppyDiskDrives - Standard(256KB) VGA Graphics INCLUDING FEATURE CONNECTOR (important!) =========================== There *are* some manufacturors/distributors of this kind of card, but I have not found them yet. If you can help me, please mail to: ICH344@DJUKFA11 ICH344@zam001.zam.kfa-juelich.de Thanks a lot, Martin Mueller ";-1;0 "From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 16 Bill Gripp writes >>Anyway, I've often wondered what business followers of Christ would have >>with weapons. >FYI, these people were not ""followers of Christ"". David Koresh was >their messiah. ok, but didn't Jesus figure somewhere into their beliefs? Anyway, my original question regarding christians and weaponry still stands. -- Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light! Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again... University of Virginia | Companion keyboard. pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho ";-1;0 "From: hughm@brwal.inmos.co.uk (Hugh McIntyre) Subject: Sun3/60 + X11R5 -> undeletable console messages. Keywords: sun sun3 X11R5 console Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK Lines: 23 We have an old Sun3/60 here which gets occasional use. When X11R5 is started on it any console messages during startup are undeletable. After X is fully started we run an xterm as the ""console"" - the problem is that any messages that arrive before this starts go to the plain console. ""Refresh window"" fails to remove them. The messages are a real pain since they sit in the middle of the screen obscuring anything else below them. At boot time the 3/60 lists two framebuffers - /dev/cgfour0 and /dev/bwtwo1. We're running X in color, and I suspect that maybe the offending messages are on the B/W framebuffer, and thereby not getting deleted. My question is: has anyone else seen this, and is there an easy way to get rid of these messages? Please reply by e-mail to hughm@inmos.co.uk. Hugh McIntyre. INMOS Ltd., Bristol, UK. (BTW: SunOS 4.0.3, X11R5, mwm). PS: I know I can redirect output of the relevant commands to /dev/null - I'm looking for a more general solution). ";-1;0 "From: khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu (Kevin Hansen) Subject: Re: Scott Erickson Nntp-Posting-Host: x239-16.psych.umn.edu Organization: Minnesota Twin Family Study - Univerity of Minnesota Lines: 38 In article <12718@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) writes: >Path: news1.cis.umn.edu!umn.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!concert!duke!news.duke.edu!bchm.biochem.duke.edu >From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) >Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball >Subject: Scott Erickson >Message-ID: <12718@news.duke.edu> >Date: 5 Apr 93 18:21:18 GMT >Sender: news@news.duke.edu >Organization: Biochemistry >Lines: 13 >Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu >USA Today reports that he may be going on the DL >(arm pains of an unspecified nature). > >Further news would be appreciated. > > >------------------------------------------------------- >Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu >""I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"" >Grafitti, Paris, 1968 > >TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.) >-------------------------------------------------------- Erickson did go on the 15 day DL with a pulled muscle in his left side (near rib cage). He is on until 4/18/93. No news as to who the Twins will bring up. ---------------------------------------------- Kevin Hansen MN Twin Family Study - University of Minnesota (612)626-7224 khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu ---------------------------------------------- Contact: University of Minnesota Women's Basketball ""Theory guides, experiment decides"" - Izaak M. Kolthoff ";-1;0 "From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) Subject: Re: Change of name ?? In-Reply-To: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU's message of 20 Apr 93 17:46:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 >What does this from NORWAY think he's doing telling us >how to run the place? I wanna know... somebody please 'splain. > >Guess how NORWAY survived the Third Reich? Give you a hint, >it wasn't by passive resistance the way the Danes did it.... I believe it had something to do with a politician whose name isn't exactly the most complimentary word nowadays...one Vidkun Quisling. We all know what a quisling is, right? I'm sure everyone can come up with a few examples right about now :->. -Steve ";-1;0 "From: JBE5 Subject: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!! Lines: 50 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Aargh! Paul Stewart is the worst and most biased ref. presently in the NHL. He called a total of 4 penalties on the Habs and one on the Nordiques. The Nords' penalty came in O.T. Stewart, being an ex-Nordique himself, was looking to call penalties on the Habs while letting the Nords get away with murder...WE WAS ROBBED!!!! It was an excellent game with plenty of end-to-end rushes and tremendous goalkeeping. The Nords tied it with over 1 minute to go while Lebeau was serving a penalty. I don't mind Stewart calling a penalty in the last 5 min. of the game, but AT LEAST BE FAIR ABOUT IT. The Nords were caught with their hand in the cookie jar more than once. Stewart turned the other cheek...BASTARD! Patrick Roy collapsed after letting in the tieing goal. He was shaky and on his knees for the rest of the night. The winning goal shouldn't have gone in. Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the loss on Stewart. The Habs had plenty of chances to capitalize, Muller, LeClair, Haller, etc. but failed to put the puck in the net. That's what did them in. But Mr. Stewart didn't help matters at all. Oh well, at least the Bruins lost in O.T. also Ha, Ha!!--) ,,, (0-0) ============================oOO(_)OOo=================================== The Czar of Mainframe Computing McGill University --> I'M TOO SEXY FOR COBOL. ---> Habs...will beat the Nords in 7!!!! ---> Let's Go Expos! =========================================== | Hickory, dickory doc, | | She took a good look at your cock. | | It's really scary all rinkled and hairy,| | It smells like a 10 year old sock! | | --Andrew Dice Clay | =========================================== DISCLAIMER: ************************************************************************ * Needless to say that the opinions expressed by THE CZAR represent * * those of the faculty, staff, and students of McGill University. * ************************************************************************ ";-1;0 "From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Cute X clients Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 69 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de Try this: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #include #include #include Display *dpy; int screen; XColor *xclrs,*xclrp; XID cmap; int cells,i,j,red,green,blue,got; main() { dpy = XOpenDisplay(NULL); screen = DefaultScreen(dpy); cells = DisplayCells(dpy,screen); cmap = XCreateColormap(dpy,RootWindow(dpy,screen),DefaultVisual(dpy,screen),1); xclrs = (XColor *)malloc(cells * sizeof(*xclrs)); xclrp = xclrs; for (i=0; ipixel = i; xclrp->flags = 7; xclrp++; }; XQueryColors(dpy,DefaultColormap(dpy,screen),xclrs,cells); XStoreColors(dpy,cmap,xclrs,cells); XInstallColormap(dpy,cmap); got = 1; while(got) { xclrp = xclrs; got = 0; for(i=0; ired < 65000) {xclrp->red += 256; got = 1;}; if(xclrp->green < 65000) {xclrp->green +=256; got=1;}; if(xclrp->blue < 65000) {xclrp->blue +=256; got=1;}; xclrp ++; } XStoreColors(dpy,cmap,xclrs,cells); /* XInstallColormap(dpy,cmap); */ } got = 1; while(got) { xclrp = xclrs; got = 0; for(i=0; ired > 256) {xclrp->red -= 256; got = 1;}; if(xclrp->green > 256) {xclrp->green -=256; got=1;}; if(xclrp->blue > 256) {xclrp->blue -=256; got=1;}; xclrp ++; } XStoreColors(dpy,cmap,xclrs,cells); /* XInstallColormap(dpy,cmap); */ } } -------------------------------------------------------------------------- It will work on any PseudoColor XServer. (hopefully :) -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ ";12;1 "From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Organization: Huh? Whuzzat? Lines: 12 Sheila Patterson writes: > >I always suspected that I was human too :-) It is the desire to be like >Christ that often causes christians to be very critical of themselves and >other christians. ... I'd like to remind people of the withering of the fig tree and Jesus driving the money changers et. al. out of the temple. I think those were two instances of Christ showing anger (as part of His human side). Jeff Johnson jcj@tellabs.com ";-1;0 "From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu Betty Harvey writes, > I am not a researcher or a medical person but it amazes me that > when they can't find a scientific or a known fact they automatically > assume that the reaction is psychological. It is mind boggling. This, simply stated, is a result of the bankrupt ethics in the healthcare and scientific medicine industries. America is fed up with the massive waste and fraud that is costing us 15% of our GNP to support these industries, while delivering marginal health care to the community. Unfortunately, the ""Clinton Plan"", in whatever form it takes, will probably cost us an even greater sum. Bleah. Steve ";-1;0 "From: brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 19 In article , strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > > Chances are the government has thought of this, and ""just anyone"" won't be > permitted access to enough of the internals to make a ""fake"" clipper chip. > Chances are that the government has classified some details of the internals > at a very high level, and manufacturers are required to observe security > safeguards and clearances corresponding to that level. Assume in this case the usual canard-adversary of narcotraficantes. They probably have more cash than the KGB did, and they're probably more generous at handing it out. It will be easier than ever to find or cultivate Walkers and Pollards for the keys, and it will be easy enough to find someone to reverse-engineer the chip (unless the tamper proofing is damned clever and effective). Brad Yearwood brad@optilink.com {uunet, pyramid}!optilink!brad Petaluma, CA ";-1;0 "From: wmiler@nyx.cs.du.edu (Wyatt Miler) Subject: Diaspar Virtual Reality Network Announcement Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 185 Posted to the Internet by wmiler@nyx.cs.du.edu 000062David42 041493003715 The Lunar Tele-operation Model One (LTM1) ========================================= By David H. Mitchell March 23, 1993 INTRODUCTION: In order to increase public interest in space-based and lunar operations, a real miniature lunar-like environment is being constructed on which to test tele-operated models. These models are remotely-controlled by individuals located world-wide using their personal computers, for EduTainment purposes. Not only does this provide a test-bed for simple tele-operation and tele-presence activities but it also provides for the sharing of information on methods of operating in space, including, but not limited to, layout of a lunar colony, tele-operating machines for work and play, disseminating educational information, providing contests and awards for creativity and achievement and provides a new way for students worldwide to participate in Twenty-First century remote learning methods. Because of the nature of the LTM1 project, people of all ages, interests and skills can contribute scenery and murals, models and structures, interfacing and electronics, software and graphics. In operation LTM1 is an evolving playground and laboratory that can be used by children, students and professionals worldwide. Using a personal computer at home or a terminal at a participating institution a user is able to tele-operate real models at the LTM1 base for experimental or recreational purposes. Because a real facility exists, ample opportunity is provided for media coverage of the construction of the lunar model, its operation and new features to be added as suggested by the users themselves. This has broad inherent interest for a wide range of groups: - tele-operations and virtual reality research - radio control, model railroad and ham radio operation - astronomy and space planetariums and science centers - art and theater - bbs and online network users - software and game developers - manufacturers and retailers of model rockets, cars and trains - children - the child in all of us LTM1 OVERALL DESIGN: A room 14 feet by 8 feet contains the base lunar layout. The walls are used for murals of distant moon mountains, star fields and a view of the earth. The ""floor"" is the simulated lunar surface. A global call for contributions is hereby made for material for the lunar surface, and for the design and creation of scale models of lunar colony elements, scenery, and machine-lets. The LTM1 initial design has 3 tele-operated machinelets: 1. An SSTO scale model which will be able to lift off, hover and land; 2. A bulldozerlet which will be able to move about in a quarry area; and 3. A moon-train which will traverse most of the simulated lunar surface. Each machinelet has a small TV camera utilizing a CCD TV chip mounted on it. A personal computer digitizes the image (including reducing picture content and doing data-compression to allow for minimal images to be sent to the operator for control purposes) and also return control signals. The first machinelet to be set up will be the moon-train since model trains with TV cameras built in are almost off-the-shelf items and control electronics for starting and stopping a train are minimal. The user will receive an image once every 1 to 4 seconds depending on the speed of their data link to LTM1. Next, an SSTO scale model with a CCD TV chip will be suspended from a servo-motor operated wire frame mounted on the ceiling allowing for the SSTO to be controlled by the operator to take off, hover over the entire lunar landscape and land. Finally, some tank models will be modified to be CCD TV chip equipped bulldozerlets. The entire initial LTM1 will allow remote operators worldwide to receive minimal images while actually operating models for landing and takeoff, traveling and doing work. The entire system is based on commercially available items and parts that can be easily obtained except for the interface electronics which is well within the capability of many advanced ham radio operator and computer hardware/software developers. By taking a graphically oriented communications program (Dmodem) and adding a tele-operations screen and controls, the necessary user interface can be provided in under 80 man hours. PLAN OF ACTION: The Diaspar Virtual Reality Network has agreed to sponsor this project by providing a host computer network and Internet access to that network. Diaspar is providing the 14 foot by 8 foot facility for actual construction of the lunar model. Diaspar has, in stock, the electronic tanks that can be modified and one CCD TV chip. Diaspar also agrees to provide ""rail stock"" for the lunar train model. Diaspar will make available the Dmodem graphical communications package and modify it for control of the machines-lets. An initial ""ground breaking"" with miniature shovels will be performed for a live photo-session and news conference on April 30, 1993. The initial models will be put in place. A time-lapse record will be started for historical purposes. It is not expected that this event will be completely serious or solemn. The lunar colony will be declared open for additional building, operations and experiments. A photographer will be present and the photographs taken will be converted to .gif images for distribution world-wide to major online networks and bbs's. A press release will be issued calling for contributions of ideas, time, talent, materials and scale models for the simulated lunar colony. A contest for new designs and techniques for working on the moon will then be announced. Universities will be invited to participate, the goal being to find instructors who wish to have class participation in various aspects of the lunar colony model. Field trips to LTM1 can be arranged and at that time the results of the class work will be added to the model. Contributors will then be able to tele-operate any contributed machine-lets once they return to their campus. A monthly LTM1 newsletter will be issued both electronically online and via conventional means to the media. Any major new tele-operated equipment addition will be marked with an invitation to the television news media. Having a large, real model space colony will be a very attractive photo opportunity for the television community. Especially since the ""action"" will be controlled by people all over the world. Science fiction writers will be invited to issue ""challenges"" to engineering and human factors students at universities to build and operate the tele-operated equipment to perform lunar tasks. Using counter-weight and pulley systems, 1/6 gravity may be simulated to some extent to try various traction challenges. The long term goal is creating world-wide interest, education, experimentation and remote operation of a lunar colony. LTM1 has the potential of being a long term global EduTainment method for space activities and may be the generic example of how to teach and explore in many other subject areas not limited to space EduTainment. All of this facilitates the kind of spirit which can lead to a generation of people who are ready for the leap to the stars! CONCLUSION: EduTainment is the blending of education and entertainment. Anyone who has ever enjoyed seeing miniatures will probably see the potential impact of a globally available layout for recreation, education and experimentation purposes. By creating a tele-operated model lunar colony we not only create world-wide publicity, but also a method of trying new ideas that require real (not virtual) skills and open a new method for putting people's minds in space. MOONLIGHTERS: ""Illuminating the path of knowledge about space and lunar development."" The following people are already engaged in various parts of this work: David42, Rob47, Dash, Hyson, Jzer0, Vril, Wyatt, The Dark One, Tiggertoo, The Mad Hatter, Sir Robin, Jogden. Come join the discussion any Friday night from 10:30 to midnight PST in Diaspar Virtual Reality Network. Ideas welcome! Internet telnet to: 192.215.11.1 or diaspar.com (voice) 714-376-1776 (2400bd) 714-376-1200 (9600bd) 714-376-1234 Email inquiries to LTM1 project leader Jzer@Hydra.unm.edu or directly to Jzer0 on Diaspar. ";-1;0 "From: Joseph N Hosteny Subject: Re: Electric power line ""balls"" Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 5 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr6.203237.20841@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> Do you know if there is an airport nearby? They may just be markers to tell pilots of small planes that there are power lines nearby. /Joe ";-1;0 "From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: food-related seizures? Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 27 SP> From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson) SP> to describe here. I have a fourteen year old daugter who experienced SP> a seizure on November 3, 1992 at 6:45AM after eating Kellog's Frosted SP> Flakes. SP> Well, we were going along fine and the other morning, April 5, she had SP> a bowl of another Kellog's frosted kind of cereal, Fruit Loops (I am SP> When I mentioned what she ate the first time as a possible reason for SP> the seizure the neurologist basically negated that as an idea. Now SP> after this second episode, so similar in nature to the first, even SP> he is scratching his head. There's no data that sugar-coated cereals cause seizures. I haven't even seen anything anecdotal on it. Given how common they are eaten - do you know any child or adolescent who *doesn't* eat the stuff? - I think that if there were a relationship we would know it by now. Also, there's nothing weird in those cereals. As far as the brain is concerned (except for a few infantile metabolic disorders such as galactosemia), sugar is sugar, regardless if it is coated on cereal, sprinkled onto cereal, or dissolved in soda, coffee or whatever. There was some interest a few years ago in aspartame lowering seizure thresholds, but I don't believe anything ever came of it. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) ";-1;0 "From: chert@dungeon.cirr.com (Chert Pellett) Subject: Epson (HPGL) 4 pen plotter W/340 Pens $500 / B.O. Summary: HP compataible Keywords: Plotter HP Epson Organization: Dis- Distribution: usa Lines: 30 Greetings, I have an Epson HI-80 4 pen plotter forsale. It emulates an HP 7570 or 7574 - I'm not sure which. It has an option board on it that does the emulation. It has a serial interface with Hardware handshake. I also have 340 Pens for it as follows: 10 packs of 4 Black Oil based, 16 packs of 4 Red,Green, Blue, and Black pens, 22 packs of 4 Aqueous Black, 7 packs of 4 Aqueous R,G,Blue,Black, 1 pack of 6 Aqueous Multi color pens, and 114 assorted non-packaged pens mostly colored. The plotter is used. I have tested it using the Windows drivers for HP 7570 and HP 7574 and both worked fine. It accepts either A or B sized paper. (8.5 x 11 or 11x17). I figure that the plotter is worth about $300 and the pens are worth at least another $200 more.. One thing is certain, you won't need to purchase any pens for quite a while... All of the packaged pens were sealed so they are all still fresh. The rest were capped and seem to function as well. I'd be willing to sell the pens seperate if anyone is interested in just them. I'm selling it because I got a HP LaserJet and I don't need color. I'd like $350 or best offer... -Chert -- Chert Pellett - chert@dungeon.cirr.com || chert@dungeon.lonestar.org PANIC: The cat is nibbling on the power cord! ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Central Florida - Computer Services From: Mark Woodruff Subject: Many people on one machine Lines: 9 I have several people sharing my machine and would like to set up separate environments under Windows for each of them. Is there some way of setting things up separate desktops/directories for each of them? Ideally, I'd like totally separate virtual machines. I'd be willing to settle for less, and may end up having batch files that copy .ini files around depending on who wants to use the machine. mark Alas, Setup/n doesn't work if you don't have a network. ";-1;0 "From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 16 Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu tsiel writes: >If indeed Israeli soldiers killed a ""Hamas Mujahid"" with an anti-tank missile >then I'm almost sure that the ""terrorist zionists"" would not have been able >to cut up a body which was probably desintegrated by the missile. maybe the missile didn't hit directly such that his body gets ""desintegrated."" of course, destroying 10 houses to kill someone is not a surgical operation, or is it? -- ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________ (______ _ | _ |_ _____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | | foo i.e. most foo ";-1;0 "From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) Subject: Vancouver/Seattle Study Critiques Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 360 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Open letter by Dr. Paul H. Blackman, Research Coordinator for NRA-ILA. NRA Official Journal 1/89. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear sir: By now, we are used to the New England Journal of Medicine's publication of small-scale studies related to firearms from which conclusions are drawn which are quantum leaps from the data, followed by announcements of momentus ""scientific"" findings. These are regularly released to the press without the caveats which riddle the conclusory paragraphs, and often accompanied by an editorial calling attention to the findings. Generally, while they at least present a few interesting data, however meaningless, the studies misinterpret statistics, and ignore or belittle serious studies by criminologists. The latest effort -- ""Handgun Regulations, Crime, Assaults, and Homicide: A Tale of Two Cities,"" by J.H. Sloan, et al., with the accompanying editorial, ""Firearms Injuries: A Call for Science,"" by two employees of the Centers for Disease Control (November 10), however, is an insult to the intelligence of any serious scholar in any field and have so few data and so many flaws that I feel compelled to write at some length to call attention to various major and minor failings, in no particular order. 1. The authors misleadingly cite Wright, et al. (Ref. 1) to support the statement that ""some have argued that restricting access to handguns could substantially reduce our annual rate of homicide."" Wright, et al., in fact studied and rejected that contention. 2. The authors pretended that Vancouver and Seattle are very similar cities with similar economic circumstances, histories, demographic characteristics, and the like. In fact, the cities are very different with very different demographic characteristics which appear to explain completely the higher homicide rate in Seattle. Both cities are over three-forths non-Hispanic white and *the non-Hispanic white homicide rates are reported to be the same in Seattle and Vancouver*. It is the different back- grounds, problems, circumstances, and behaviors of the various ethnic minorities which explain the difference in homicide. 3. The authors pretend they are evaluating Canada's gun law, compared to Washington State's. But they do not examine at all the situation in Vancouver prior to the gun law taking effect in 1978. As it happens, in the three years prior to that (1975- 1977), Vancouver averaged 23 homicides per year, one-eighth involving handguns, (Ref. 2) and in the seven years of the NEJM article there were 29 homicides per year, one-eigth involving handguns. Surely even the medical profession recognizes that one must look to see the prior situation was before concluding that a change made a difference? Would a physician conclude that a patient was benefiting from eating oat bran muffin each day for seven years because his cholesterol level was 200 without at least seeing if it was 180 before he started the regimen? 4. The authors pick two medium-sized cities to evaluate a national gun law. Nothing can be learned from such a tiny and arbitrarily selected sample. Seattle appears to have been selected because it was convienient for the authors rather than for any scientific reason. Would physicians call something a scientific study which involved one experimental subject and one dissimilar ""control""? Had different arbitrarily selected cities been chosen, opposite ""scientific"" conclusions would follow: Vancouver's homicide rate *exceeds* that of such ""wild west"" cities in Texas as El Paso, Corpus Christi, Austen, and, in Colorado, Colorado Springs. (Ref. 3) 5. The authors fail to clearly demonstrate that firearms or handguns ""are far more commonly owned in Seattle than in Vancouver."" They use two surrogate approaches in pretending to study the availability of firearms/handguns. The first is an apples-and-oranges effort to compare the number of carry permits in Seattle to the number of registered handguns in Vancouver. But the number clearly understates the number of handguns in Seattle, and counts primarily *protective* handgun owners. The second, however, tells nothing about the number of handguns in Vancouver, and counts *non-protective* handguns for the most part. Where is it difficult to obtain handguns legally for protection, registration figures are meaningless. There are 66,000 registered handguns in New York City (New York Daily News, Sept. 27, 1987). Comparing the two, that method suggests about 930 handguns per 100,000 population in New York City compared to 960 in Vancouver, meaning Vancouver has a greater ""prevalence of weapons"" than New York City. The second method of measuring gun density is ""Cook's gun prevalence index, a previously validated measure of intercity differences."" But the validation was by Cook of his own theory. (Ref. 4) Normally, second opinions are sought from a different doctor. More significantly, the Cook index is based on the average of the percentage of firearms involvement in suicide and homicide. So the authors are basically taking a measure of misuse. Unsurprisingly, gun misuse in homicide (42% in Seattle, 14% in Vancouver) is related to gun misuse in homicide plus suicide, divided by two (41% in Seattle, 12% in Vancouver). The authors are not measuring the relative avail- ability of firearms, or of handguns, in Seattle and Vancouver. 6. The authors misstate the laws of both Washington and Canada. They neglect to mention the significant fact that Washington has a waiting period and background check prior to the purchase of a handgun, and that provisions exist in Canadian law for owning and carrying handguns for personal protection. The authors also make it appear that it is more difficult to get a handgun legally in Canada than is actually the case. 7. The authors ignore all other factors which might explain the differences in crime rate, beyond some vague mention of the penalities provided by law and the roughest of estimates of clearence for one particular offense -- homicide involving a firearm. There is no measure of: the differences in the number of law enforcement officers; their aggressiveness in making arrests for gun law violations in the two jurisdictions; arrest rates for other offenses; conviction rates; actual sentences imposed for gun-related crimes, violent crimes without guns, or gun law violations; or incarceration rates. Whereas social scientists would attempt to measure and hold for such differences, the authors of the NEJM ""tale of two cities"" fail even to mention most factors related to crime control. 8. The authors dismiss claims that handguns are an effective means for protection unless the criminal is killed. Such is not the case. Criminologists (Ref. 5-8) have found that almost 650,000 Americans annually use handguns for protection from criminals, and that using a gun for protection reduces the liklihood that a crime -- rape, robbery, assault -- will be completed by the criminal and reduces the likelihood of injury to the victim. It is interesting, nonetheless, that the authors reported the same number (four) of civilian justifiable homicides without firearms in each city but that less restrictive Seattle accounted for 100% of the reported civilian justifiable homicides involving firearms. 9. The Centers for Disease Control, which funded the ""study,"" editorially praised the paper, (Ref. 9) saying it ""applied scientific methods to examine a focus of contention betweeb advocates of stricter regulation of firearms, particularly handguns."" There is nothing in the paper which could possibly be mistaken for ""scientific methods"" by a sociologists or criminologists. The Vancouver-Seattle ""study"" is the equivolent of testing an experimental drug to control hypertension by finding two ordinary-looking middle-class white males, one aged 25 and the other 40, and without first taking their vital signs, administering the experimental drug to the 25-year-old while giving the 40-year-old a placebo, then taking their blood pressure and, on finding the younger man had a lower blood pressure, announcing in a ""special article"" a new medical breakthrough. It would be nice to think that such a ""study"" would neither be funded by the CDC or printed by the NEJM. Since the longstanding anti-gun biases of the NEJM and the CDC make them willing to present shoddy research as ""scientific breakthroughs"" in ""special articles"" and editorials relating to firearms, we are obligated to correct the record by notifying the news media and those with congressional and executive oversight over the activities of the Centers for Disease Control about the distortions contained in ""Handgun Regulations, Crime, Assaults, and Homicides: A Tale of Two Cities"" and ""Firearm Injuries: A Call for Science."" Clearly, all scientific standards go by the wayside whenever the CDC and the New England Journal of Medicine seize an opportunity to attack firearms ownership in America. REFERENCES 1. Wright JD, et al, *Weapons, crime and violence in America*: a literature review and research agenda, Washington, D.C.: Department of Justice, 1981. 2. Scarff E. *Evaluation of the Canadian gun control legislation*: final report. Ottawa: Ministry of the Solicitor General of Canada, 1983, p. 87. 3. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation, *Crime in the United States*, 1987 (Uniform Crime Reports). Washington, D.C.: Government Printing Office, 1988 4. Cook PJ. *The role of firearms in violent crime*. In: Wolfgang M. Weiner NA, eds. *Criminal violence*, Beverly Hills, Calif.: Sage, 1982: 236-90, pp. 270-271. 5. Kleck G. *Crime control through the private use of armed force*. Social Problems 1988: 35:1-21. 6. Ziegenhagen EA, Brosnan D. *Victim responses to robbery and crime control policy*. Criminology. 1985: 23:675-695. 7. Lizotte AJ. *Determinants of completeing rape and assault*. Journal of Quantitative Criminology. 1986: 2:203-217. 8. Sayles SL, Kleck G. *Rape and resistance*. Paper at the American Society of Criminology convention, Chicago, 1988. 9. Mercy JA, Houk VN. *Firearm injuries: a call for science*. NEJM: 319:1283-1285. ========================================================================== GUNS AND SPUTTER by James D. Wright (from July 1989 issue of REASON, Free Minds & Free Markets) Someone once wrote: ""Statistics are like a bikini. What they real is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital."" The problem is demonstrated by the most recent entry in a long line of scientific research purporting to show a causal link between gun availability and homicide. Funded by the federal government and published last year in the New England Journal of Medicine, the study compared homicide rates in Seattle and Vancouver and suggested that a handgun ban ""may reduce the rate of homicide in a community."" The nine medical doctors who published ""Handgun Regulations, Crime, Assaults, and Homicide"" essentially reasoned in three steps: (1) Despite many historical, social, and demographic similarities, (2) Vancouver has a markedly lower homicide rate (3) because its stricter gun regulations make guns less available. The second step in their reasoning seems indisputable. The overall homicide rate in Seattle (for the period 1980-86) was 11.3 per 100,000 popuation, compared with 6.9 in Vancouver. Homicide is definitely more common in Seattle. The question then becomes, Why? The authors present a believable although not entirely accurate case to support the notion, as claimed in the third step of their reasoning, that Vancouver's handgun regulations are much more stringent. But their evidence on the difference in gun *availabilty* is indirect and unpersuasive; indeed, they acknowledge that direct evidence on the point does not exist. They offer two fragments of inferential data in support of the claim that guns are more available in Seattle; but for all anybody knows as a matter of empirical fact, the opposite could be true. We are therefore being asked, at the conclusion of the study, to believe that a difference in gun availability explains the difference in homicide rates when a difference in gun availability has not itself been established. Indeed, the situation is even more troublesome. The first of the two indirect bits of evidence is a difference between the number of concealed- weapons permits issued in Seattle and the number of restricted-weapons permits issued in Vancouver. Differences between the two cities in the permit regulations render these two numbers strictly noncomparable. * The second bit of evidence is ""Cook's gun prevalence index,"" which stands * at 41 percent for Seattle but only 12 percent for Vancouver. Cook's index * however, does not measure the relative prevalence of gun ownership in * various cities. It measures gun misuse--it is an average of the percentage * of homicides and suicides involving firearms. * In the present case, the index shows only that in homicides and suicides, * firearms are more likely to be used in Seatte than in Vancouver. To take * Cook's index as a measure of general firearms availability, it must be * assumed that the proportional involvement of guns in homicides and suicides * is directly related to their relative availability in the general * population. But this is exactly what the authors are seeking to prove. To * assume what one is seeking to prove, then to ""prove"" it on the basis of * that assumption does ot constitute scientific evidence for anything. Even if we were to grant, on the basis of no compelling evidence, that guns are less common in Vancouver, we might still question what causes what. The authors attribute Seattle's higher crime rate to a higher rate of gun ownership. But it might well be argued that low crime or homicide rates reduce the motivation for average citizens to obtain guns--in other words, that crime rates explain the variation in gun ownership, not vice versa. In fact, it was once commonly argued that Great Britain's low rate of violent crime was a function of that nation's strict gun laws and the consequent low rate of gun ownership--until British researcher Colin Greenwood found that Great Britain had enjoyed low rates of violent crime for many decades before strict firearms controls were enacted. To invoke an ancient methodological saw, correlation is not cause. Nor do the problems with this study end with its lack of direct data on gun ownership. The authors say Seattle and Vancouver are ""similar in many ways,"" implying that they differ mainly in gun availability, gun-law stringency, and crime rates. This is an evident attempt to establish the ceteris paribus condition of a sound scientific analysis--that ""all else is equal"" among things being compared. * Clearly the two cities are similar in some ways, but a closer look * reveals differences in ways that are relevant to their respective crime * or homicide rates. The cities are closely matched in what percentage * of their population is white (79 percent and 76 percent). But Seattle * is about 10 percent black, while Vancouver is less than 0.5 percent. * Vancouver's minority population is overwhelmingly Asian. So although the * authors show that th two cities are approximately comparable on a half- * dozen readily available demographic indicators, they have not shown * that all potentially relevant sources of variation have been ruled out. * In fact, the differences in racial compositions of the two cities is * particularly relevant in light of the study's breakdown of homicide rates * according to the race of the victim. For the white majority, the homicide * rates are nearly identical--6.2 per 100,000 in Seattle, 6.4 in Vancouver. * The differing overall homicide rates in the two cities are therefore due * entirely to vastly different rates among racial minorities. For blacks, * the observed difference in homicide rate is 36.6 to 9.5 and for Hispanics * 26.9 to 7.9. (Methodoligical complexities render the Asian comparison * problematic, but it too is higher in Seattle than in Vancouver.) Racial * minorities are much more likely to be the victims of homicide in Seattle * than in Vancouver; the white majority is equally likely to be slain * in either city. Since the nearly 2:1 initial difference in homicide reates between the cities is due exclusively to 3:1 or 4:1 differences between minority groups, it is fair to ask why postulated difference in ""gun availability"" (or gun-law strigency) would matter so dramatically to minorities but not matter at all to whites. Can differential gun availability explain why blacks and Hispanics--but not whites--are so much more likely to be killed in Seattle than in Vancouver? (Studies in the United States, incidentally, do not show large or consistent racial differences in gun ownership.) Or are other explanations more plausible? Could the disparity between Canadian and American rates of poverty among racial minorities have anything to do with it? What are the relative rates of drug or alcohol abuse? Of homelessness among each cty's minority population? (The city of Seattle runs the largest shelter for homeless men west of the Mississippi.) Unemployment among young, central-city, nonwhite men in the United States usually exceeds 40 percent. What is the comparable Canadian percentage? The crucial point is that Canada and the United States differ in many ways, as do cities and population subgroups with the two countries. Absent more detailed analysis, nearly any of these ""many ways"" might explain part or all of the difference in homicide rates. In gross comparisons such as those between Seattle and Vancouver, all else is *not* equal. * The authors of this study acknowledge that racial patterns in homicide * result in a ""complex picture."" They do not acknowledge that the ensuing * complexities seriously undercut the main thrust of their argument. They * also acknowledge that ""socio-economic status is probably an important * confounding factor in our comparison,"" remarking further that ""blacks * in Vancouver had a slightly higher mean income in 1981 than the rest of * Vancouver's population."" Given the evidence presented in the article, * it is possible that all of the difference in homicide rates between Seattle * and Vancouver results from greater proverty among Seattle's racial * minorities. But the authors pay no further attention to this possibility, * since ""detailed information about household incomes according to race * is not available for Vancouver."" The largely insurmountable methodological difficulties confronted in gross comparative studies of this sort can be illustrated with as simple example. If one were to take all U.S. couties and compare them in terms of (1) pervalence of gun ownership and (2) crime or homicide rates, one would find an astonishing pattern: Counties with more guns have less crime. Would one conclude from this evidence alone that guns actually reduce crime? Or would one insist that other variables also be taken into account? In this example, the ""hidden variable"" is city size: Guns are more common in small towns and rural areas, whereas crime is a big-city problem. If researchers failed to anticipate this variable, or lacked the appropriate data to examine its possible consequences, they coud be very seriously misled. In the study at hand, the authors matched two cities for size but not for minority poverty rates or other hidden variables, and their results are impossible to interpret. In the editorial ""Firearm Injuries: A Call for Science"" accompanying the study, two officials from the Centers for Disease Control lauded the authors for applying ""scientific methods"" to a problem of grave public heath significance. But in attempting to draw causal conclusions from nonexperimental research, the essence of scientific method is to anticipate plausible alternative explanations for the results and try to rule them out. Absent such effort, the results may well seem scientific but are little more than polemics masquerading as serious research. That this study is but one of a number of recent efforts--all employing practical identical research designs and published in leading scientific journals-- is cause for further concern. [James D. Wright is professor of sociology at Tulane University. He has researched extensively on the relationship of firearms and crime.] Reason published monthly except combined August-September issue by the Reason Foundation, a nonprofit, tax-exempt organization. Subscription rate: $24.00 per year. Reason Foundation 2716 Ocean Park Blvd. Suite 1062 Santa Monica, CA 90405 ";-1;0 "From: rick@emma.tfbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Younie) Subject: stats for hockey pool Distribution: world Bcc: emma!rick Reply-To: rick@emma.tfbbs.wimsey.bc.ca X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 Lines: 13 I'm the keeper of the stats for a family hockey pool and I'm looking for daily/weekly email servers for playoff stats. I've connected with the servers at J.Militzok@skidmore.EDU and wilson@cs.ucf.edu. I'm still sorting these two out. Are there others? Email please as my site doesn't get this group. Thanks. Rick -- rick@emma.panam.wimsey.bc.ca rick@emma.tfbbs.wimsey.bc.ca ";13;1 "From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: IT AIN'T FOR ME! Keywords: FAQ, FUBAR, ISIFU Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 11 In article speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes: >I am confused (like THAT'S a surprise!), someone asked ME for a copy of the >FAQ via E-Mail. As I am not the KotFAQ, I was wondering what the proper >responce is? Our panel of judges has deliberated the question, and the answer is: Send the requester one copy, and then gang-FAQ yourself. -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com ";-1;0 "From: halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall) Subject: Catholic Liturgy Reply-To: halsall@murray.fordham.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Lines: 60 The problems with Catholic liturgy are likely to continue for some time. The problem is, in a nutshell, this: the Liturgy is a symbolic action - in other words Catholics do [or should] believe that the _signs_ during the mass - Water, Blessings, Vestments, Altar, Relics, etc - are real. That is the sprinkling of water bestows real, almost tangible, holiness, the Vestments are a real indication of real sacred time. The point of a _symbol_ is that it is understood by all to be connected to an underlying REAL referent. This kind of thinking precludes analysis; holy water is not holy because of anything, it simply IS holy. But, modern westerners find it extremely difficult, especially if well- educated, to think of the mass as a symbol. We are more likely to see it as a _sign_, ie an action that represents grace, but which could be replaced with other signs. In concrete terms, this means the mass has become a commercial for God's grace rather than the real thing. You can mess around with a commercial in a way you wouldn't dare with the real thing [ask Coca-Cola Co.!]. These attitudes have been encouraged by Liturgy workshops, etc. which instead of focusing on _how_ to do do liturgy, have focused on how to create a meaning in liturgy. You can only create signs, symbols have to come from God [or the heart, or somewhere deeper than analysis. The most dramatic example of this shift in understanding has been in the treatment of the sacred species [the consecrated host and wine]. Now, with pita bread etc, it is common to come away from the altar with hands covered in particles. If the Host is a sign of Grace, this isnt and issue; but Catholics in the past would have been distraught at this real desacration of the real symbol of Jesus' body. Modern Catholic liturgy is caught in this epistemological shift. We try to perfrom the old rites, but then we have some liturgomaniac priest get up and 'explain' what we are doing - so we stop doing it and start pretending to do it. This is not a soul filling experience. It doesn't help BTW that we have got stuck witha huge amount of two and three chord ersatz-folk music [again a result of mis-analysis: complicated tunes are in fact easier to remember than simple ones - this was the genius of Wesley and the 19C Anglican hymn writers]. Taize' is only slightly better. What are we to do? Well I suggest rejecting the parish system if it doesn't work for you. Search out a Church where the liturgy is well prepared not well-explained. They exist in every city. This is not BTW a matter of particular style: the music might be old or new. It is the attitude of the church that counts. Also, note that a conservative liturgy - harking back to pre-Vatican II days, does not necessarily mean the Church will be socially conservative. In NYC I can recommend: Corpus Christi - W 12st St. Corpus Christi - W 12st St. - very conservative liturgy, St. Joseph's, Greenwich Village. - Modern, ""clean"", largely gay Oratorian Church, Brooklyn - Very beautiful Avoid, anywhere, anytime a church with electric candles. Happy Easter: Christos Aneste', Christos Voskrezhne, Christ is Risen Paul Halsall Halsall@murray.fordham.edu ";-1;0 "From: kirk@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (ANDREW KIRK) Subject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost 'Stars Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada Nntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 34 In article <9505@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.232038.26593@julian.uwo.ca> kirk@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (ANDREW KIRK) writes: >>First off, anyone accepted into the Western Business School is not a dork. >>Second, just because one person out of a country of 27 Million doesn't think >>before he/she posts an article, does NOT mean that he/she is embarrasing >>Canada. This network is for expressing what you feel are your thoughts. Just >>because someone doesn't agree with you, this does not give you the right to >>call them assholes. Anyways, the North Stars are SHIT!!!!!!!!! > >Actually, I think it does give people the privilege of calling folks >like you assholes. Although my own asshole might take offense at being >grouped in with a bunch of losers like you. > >I've never heard of the Western Business School, anyhow. Probably a >chickenshit place. > >rick Losers like us? You are the fucking moron who has never heard of the Western Business School, or the University of Western Ontario for that matter. Why don't you pull your head out of your asshole and smell something other than shit for once so you can look on a map to see where UWO is! Back to hockey, the North Stars should be moved because for the past few years they have just been SHIT. A real team like Toronto would never be moved!!! Andrew-- -- Andrew Kirk University of Western Ontario London, Ontario GO LEAFS GO! ";-1;0 "From: halle@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Ezra D.B. Hall) Subject: Re: Receiver and C-101 equilizer for sale Keywords: receiver, equilizer ,sterio,amp Article-I.D.: rpi.zss56vm Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: rebecca.its.rpi.edu I have sold the receiver. The Equilizer is still for sale -Technics SA-450 integrated Quartz synthesizer Digital Receiver -SOLD!!!!! -Audio Control C-101 graphic equilizer -This is an awesome Eq., but I am broke. -10 bands/channel, octave EQ -subsonic filter -rumble reducer -tape monitor -amazing real time spectrum analyzer with calibrtated microphone and pink noise generator, calibrated and uncalibrated range adjustment, display is calibrated in dB and can display the average energy per band, or the average for the full speactrum(great for checking how loud your system is) -The display action has two speed settings to adjust how quickly the display responds to transients This is one of the best equilizers around. It is very quiet, and the display Is fascinating to watch. It sells for $400-$450 in stores, so I will sell it for -$315 obo send all responses to halle@rpi.edu , or call (518)276-7382 eve. ";-1;0 "From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: VP Gore Joins Students in Orlando for 1st Kids Earth Summit Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 102 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu WHITE HOUSE OFFICE OF THE VICE PRESIDENT _________________________________________________________________ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Heidi Kukis THURSDAY, April 15, 1993 202-456-7035 Julia Payne 202-456-7036 GORE JOINS STUDENTS IN ORLANDO FOR FIRST KIDS EARTH SUMMIT Will Take Part in Special Town Meeting On the Environment ******** SATURDAY, APRIL 17, 1993 - ORLANDO, FLORIDA ********** WASINGTON -- Joining students from across the United States and around the world for the first ever Kids Earth Summit, Vice President Al Gore will travel to Orlando, Florida, on Saturday (4/17) and participate in a special town hall meeting, hosted by Linda Ellerbee for broadcast on Nickelodeon, to hear the young people's concerns and share ideas about the environment. The Vice President will take part in the ""Kids World Council: Plan It for the Planet"" from 2-5 PM (EDT) Saturday (4/17) in Orlando, Florida. He will tour a display of student environmental projects, then videotape the town hall meeting where he will discuss with student delegates their concerns about the environment and their plans for an environmentally sound future. The town hall meeting will be moderated by Linda Ellerbee and taped for a news special, ""Nickelodeon Special Edition: Plan It for the Planet,"" which will air on Sunday, April 18 at 8 PM (EDT). It is sponsored by Nickelodeon and the Children's Earth Fund. ""Young people care about the environment because they know it affects our future. Across the country and around the world, young people are speaking out about the environmental challenges we face. They are identifying problems, thinking about solutions, and they are demanding action from their leaders,"" the Vice President said. The Kids World Council delegates are meeting for three days in Orlando to discuss how to save energy and switch to renewable energy. They will be following the format and goals of the Earth Summit that took place last year in Rio de Janeiro. The Vice President led the Senate Delegation to the Earth Summit. ""I look forward to hearing what young people have to say about the environment and their future. Their insight into the world around us is important,"" the Vice President said. (MORE) SCHEDULE FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT Saturday, April 17, 1993 2:15 PM (EDT) VICE PRESIDENT TOURS display of student environmental projects. Nickelodeon Studios Orlando, Florida 3:30 PM (EDT) VICE PRESIDENT TAKES PART IN TOWN HALL MEETING with Kids World Council delegates and Linda Ellerbee. Nickelodeon Studios Orlando, Florida 5 PM (EDT) VICE PRESIDENT DEPARTS from Kids World Council for Washington, D.C. NOTE: PRESS THAT WISH TO ATTEND SHOULD CONTACT EILEEN PARISE OR MARTY VON RUDEN IN FLORIDA AT 407-352-7589. ## ";18;1 "From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) Subject: We don't need no stinking subjects! X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: The Loyal Order Of Keiths. Lines: 93 In article <1ql1avINN38a@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) writes: >>keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >>>kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) writes: > >>No, if you're going to claim something, then it is up to you to prove it. >>Think ""Cold Fusion"". > >Well, I've provided examples to show that the trend was general, and you >(or others) have provided some counterexamples, mostly ones surrounding >mating practices, etc. I don't think that these few cases are enough to >disprove the general trend of natural morality. And, again, the mating >practices need to be reexamined... So what you're saying is that your mind is made up, and you'll just explain away any differences at being statistically insignificant? >>>Try to find ""immoral"" non-mating-related activities. >>So you're excluding mating-related-activities from your ""natural morality""? > >No, but mating practices are a special case. I'll have to think about it >some more. So you'll just explain away any inconsistancies in your ""theory"" as being ""a special case"". >>>Yes, I think that the natural system can be objectively deduced with the >>>goal of species propogation in mind. But, I am not equating the two >>>as you so think. That is, an objective system isn't necessarily the >>>natural one. >>Are you or are you not the man who wrote: >>""A natural moral system is the objective moral system that most animals >> follow"". > >Indeed. But, while the natural system is objective, all objective systems >are not the natural one. So, the terms can not be equated. The natural >system is a subset of the objective ones. You just equated them. Re-read your own words. >>Now, since homosexuality has been observed in most animals (including >>birds and dolphins), are you going to claim that ""most animals"" have >>the capacity of being immoral? > >I don't claim that homosexuality is immoral. It isn't harmful, although >it isn't helpful either (to the mating process). And, when you say that >homosexuality is observed in the animal kingdom, don't you mean ""bisexuality?"" A study release in 1991 found that 11% of female seagulls are lesbians. >>>Well, I'm saying that these goals are not inherent. That is why they must >>>be postulates, because there is not really a way to determine them >>>otherwise (although it could be argued that they arise from the natural >>>goal--but they are somewhat removed). >>Postulate: To assume; posit. > >That's right. The goals themselves aren't inherent. > >>I can create a theory with a postulate that the Sun revolves around the >>Earth, that the moon is actually made of green cheese, and the stars are >>the portions of Angels that intrudes into three-dimensional reality. > >You could, but such would contradict observations. Now, apply this last sentence of your to YOUR theory. Notice how your are contridicting observations? >>I can build a mathematical proof with a postulate that given the length >>of one side of a triangle, the length of a second side of the triangle, and >>the degree of angle connecting them, I can determine the length of the >>third side. > >But a postulate is something that is generally (or always) found to be >true. I don't think your postulate would be valid. You don't know much math, do you? The ability to use SAS to determine the length of the third side of the triangle is fundemental to geometry. >>Guess which one people are going to be more receptive to. In order to assume >>something about your system, you have to be able to show that your postulates >>work. > >Yes, and I think the goals of survival and happiness *do* work. You think >they don't? Or are they not good goals? Goals <> postulates. Again, if one of the ""goals"" of this ""objective/natural morality"" system you are proposing is ""survival of the species"", then homosexuality is immoral. -- =kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC= =My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza. OK???= ";-1;0 "From: jenski@cae.wisc.edu (Anders Jenski) Subject: Quadra 950/900 case source wanted Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 12 Hello all, If anyone knows of a place to get the case to hold the power supply and motherboard of a Quadra 950 please let me know. I have tried some mail order places and some local stores. Both groups would prefer that I part with over $1000 to get just the case. In my eyes this seems about $600-$700 to much. Any comments? I currently own the guts of a 950. Please email me or post to this group w/ info, Thanks in advance, Andy ";-1;0 "From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: *Doppelganger* (was Re: Vulcan? No, not Spock or Haphaestus) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <1qju0bINN10l@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) writes: > There was a Science fiction movie sometime ago (I do not remember its > name) about a planet in the same orbit of Earth but hidden behind the > Sun so it could never be visible from Earth. This was known as *Journey to the Far Side of the Sun* in the United States and as *Doppelganger* in the U.K. It was produced by the great team of Gerry and Sylvia Anderson (whose science was usually a bit better than this). It may have been their first production using live actors-- they were better known for their technophilic puppet shows, such as *Supercar*, *Stingray*, and *Thunderbirds*. Later, they went on to do more live-action SF series: *UFO* and *Space: 1999*. The astronomy was lousy, but the lifting-body spacecraft, VTOL airliners, and mighty Portugese launch complex were *wonderful* to look at. Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | In a churchyard in the valley Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | Where the myrtle doth entwine Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | There grow roses and other posies Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | Fertilized by Clementine. SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | ";-1;0 "From: dpalmer@mcnc.org (W. Dev Palmer) Subject: Re: Wanted: A to D hardware for a PC Article-I.D.: mcnc.1993Apr6.220327.4042 Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr6.053736.23113@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes: >>In <3889@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Brad Wright writes: >> >>> If you know much about PC's (IBM comp) you might try the joystick >>>port. Though I haven't tried this myself, I've been told that the port > >I believe that the ""A-D converters"" found on a joystick port are really >timers that tick off how long it takes an R-C circuit (the R being your >paddle) to charge up to something like 1/2 Vcc. For games this works >pretty well, but you certainly wouldn't want to try to take lab >measurements off something as non-linear as that. The best info I have seen so far is the article ""Joystick Metrics: Measuring physical properties through the PC's joystick port"" by Michael Covington in the May 1985 issue of PC Tech Journal. It talks about how to read all kinds of things (voltage, current, resistance) in BASIC, and even includes code for a simple ""oscilloscope"" display. It's possible to read the joystick port directly if you don't want to use BASIC. The detailed information for this is in the PC Technical Reference under Options and Adapters. You have to provide some millisecond resolution timing functions, but that's a subject which has appeared many times in articles from Dr. Dobb's, Circuit Cellar Ink, etc. Look for the public domain ztimer package on wuarchive. Good Luck, Dev Palmer dpalmer@mcnc.org MCNC Room 212 P.O. Box 12889 RTP, NC 27709-2889 (919) 248-1837 (919) 248-1455 FAX ";-1;0 "From: Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org Subject: Confession & communion Lines: 14 04 Apr 93, David Cruz-Uribe writes to All: DC> Also, what is Orthodox practice regarding communion? I read DC> a throw-away remark someplace that the Orthodox receive less DC> frequently than Catholics do, but was is their current practice? DC> Have their been any variations historically? I think Orthodox practice varies from place to place, from parish to parish and from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In some parishes here in South Africa the only ones who receive communion are infants (i.e. children under 7). In our parish it is expected that one will have been to Vespers and confessional prayers the evening before, and that one will have been fasting. As we have to travel 70km to the church, we don' t receive communion every Sunday, but about every third Sunday. 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been >designed such that the HGA did not ever do a sun point.? The HGA isn't all that reflective in the wavelengths that might ""cook the focal elements"", nor is its figure good on those scales--the problem is that the antenna _itself_ could not be exposed to Venus-level sunlight, lest like Icarus' wings it melt. (I think it was glues and such, as well as electronics, that they were worried about.) Thus it had to remain furled and the axis _always_ pointed near the sun, so that the small sunshade at the tip of the antenna mast would shadow the folded HGA. (A larger sunshade beneath the antenna shielded the spacecraft bus.) --Mark Looper ""Hot Rodders--America's first recyclers!"" ";-1;0 "From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio) Subject: Re: Kevin Rogers Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu Rogers is the ""one-batter lefty"" in the bullpen. Dusty has also said he trusts Rogers to get the final out in a ballgame where Beck is unavailable, so you might see a couple of saves for Kevin. Then again, if any of the regular rotation falters, Rogers is a possible candidate to start, though this would appear less likely now that Dave Burba did well in an emergency start. Steven ";-1;0 "From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] The Cybard (dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote: : uzun@netcom.com (William Roger Uzun) writes: : >I have a SoundBlaster board in a 486-SX PC, and I have it : >jumpered to IRQ 7, port 220h. Will this conflict with my : >parallel port? I just have an IDE controller, a multi-IO board : >with 2ser, 1Par port and a VGA board. Should I choose : >another IRQ besides 7? Or is IRQ 7 safe to use on 486 Motherboards? : Recently I was adding a modem to my computer, and I noticed that LPT1 uses : IRQ-7 and so does my SB card (220h). I've never had a problem, but I'm : just wondering why not. I thought this would cause a conflict. I would also like an explanation of this. If anyone can explain why the SB Pro and LPT 1 can share an IRQ, please do so. Thanks -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Tom Huot huot@cray.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";-1;0 "From: branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: Windows Locks up with green lines down the Screen Reply-To: branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 18 Hi, I am using a dtk 386-20Mhz 13Meg memory to run a variety of programs, and have had problems off and on with lock up, but now I am trying to run an application that wants a lot of memory over a period of time (Playmation 24 bit rendered) and it is locking up Everytime. I have an ATI ultra + w/2Meg which I have tried in each of the video modes, I have excluded the region of video memory from A000-C800 segments from the use of emm386, have tried adjusting the swap partion from large to nonexistant (to prevent swapping) and I have REM'd ALL TSR's and utilities in config.syus and autoexec, and even tried using the default program manager, disabling my HP dashboard. even with a minimal system, no swap, no smartdrv, no TSR's, no windows utilities and exclusion of video regions it still locks up completely (no mouse control, no response to anything except 3finger salute, and even that does not stop by the standard windows screen, but simply does a full reset immediately). Just about out of ideas, anyone out there have any???? Thanks tom branham branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu ";-1;0 "From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) Subject: Re: Clinton caves in: reduces jobs bill Summary: Too good to be true, evidently. Organization: ACME Products Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr16.131615.8661@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: > Clinton has backed off from the $16 billion jobs bill. > > Word is he's paring it down to the core: jobless benefits, money for > creating full time jobs (ie, no summer jobs money). > > Chalk one up for holding the line on spending. It seems radio reports were overly optimistic. All Clinton wants to cut is $2.5 Billion for community block grants, keeping in summer jobs. Hmmm, well, looks like we need to keep up the pressure on our congresspersons. Brett ________________________________________________________________________________ ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. ";-1;0 "From: James_Jim_Frazier@cup.portal.com Subject: MO driver compatibility? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 10 It's my understanding that, when you format a magneto-optical disc, (1) the formatting software installs a driver on the disc, (2) if you insert the disc in a different drive, then this driver is loaded into the computer's memory and then controls the drive, and (3) if this driver is incompatible with the drive, then the disc can not be mounted and/or properly read/written Is that correct? Thanks, Jim Frazier 73447.3113@compuserve.com ";-1;0 "From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 39 In article , jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: > >No not, unconditional, but ""shall not be infringed"". Infringed >is defined as: > To break or ignore the terms of or obligations (an oath, > an agreement, law, or the like); to disreguard; violate. > To go beyond the boundaries or limits; tresspass; encroach. >This definition implies the following of some form of existing >agreement. Laws and agreements are made in advance. The rights guaranteed by the Constitution were considered to be pre-existing. The only agreement was that they exist. Therefore, no law grants such rights. Laws can only guarantee, protect, or infringe such rights. Websters Third New International Dictionary of the English Language, Unabridged 1986 infringe 1.a. to break down:DESTROY b. DEFEAT, FRUSTRATE c. CONFUTE, REFUTE d. IMPAIR, WEAKEN 2. to commit a breach of : neglect to fulfill or obey : VIOLATE, TRANSGRESS vi : ENCROACH, TRESPASS infringement 1. the act of infringing : BREACH, VIOLATION, NONFULFILLMENT 2. an encroachment or trespass on a right or priveledge : TRESPASS ~~~~~ Now, by what stretch of the imagination do you get your ideas about infringement of rights? Al [standard disclaimer] ";-1;0 "From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) Subject: Re: 300ZX or SC300??? Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 20 ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) writes: >Hi everyone, >I'm getting a car in the near future. I've narrow it down to 300ZX and SC300. >Which might be a better choice? >Thanks for your opnion, >Danny >-- I've been asking myself this same question for the past year, so, if/when you find out, would you please share the magistic answer with me.. The way I see it right now, work twice as hard so you can have both. cheers :) Issa ";-1;0 "From: suraj@apollo.cs.jhu.edu (Suraj Surendrakumar) Subject: ==> NEW STEREO SYSTEM/COMPONENTS FOR SALE <== Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department Distribution: usa Lines: 29 10 month old stereo system for sale. Luxman R-351 receiver, Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck, and Polk Monitor M4.6 book shelf speakers are for sale. Receiver has 5 year warranty, and all equipment is in excellent condition. Paid $950 for the system and willing to consider the best offer. Will sell seperate pieces also if desired. Please send best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu. Speakers: Polk Monitor M4.6 bookshelf speakers Paid $250 pair. Willing to consider best offer. Receiver: Luxman R-351 receiver with 5 year (yes 5 years) warranty. Paid $475. Willing to consider best offer. Full remote, 2 pairs of speaker connections, 60 watts per channel, but drives like a 150 watts per channel Has all the standard features, and more. Tape Deck: Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck Paid $275. Willing to consider best offer. Dual cassette, Dolby B, C, and HX Pro. Input level control for recording, auto reverse both sides. Has all standard features. Send E-mail with best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu -Suraj ";8;1 "From: mishra@cs.sunysb.edu (Prateek Mishra) Subject: ..Image processing Packages under X.. Keywords: ..medical informatics.. Nntp-Posting-Host: sbmishra Organization: State University of New York, Stony Brook Lines: 14 I am looking for a package that implements standard image processing functions (reading/writing from standard formats), clipping, zoom, etc. implemented under X. Both public domain and private packages are of interest. The particular application area I have in mind is medical imaging, but a package meant for a more general context would be acceptable. Please reply to me; I will summarize on the net if there is general interest. - prateek mishra mishra@sbcs.sunysb.edu ";-1;0 "From: bbesler@ouchem.chem.oakland.edu (Brent H. Besler) Subject: Is an oral form of Imitrex(sumatriptan) available in CA Article-I.D.: vela.1psee5$c3t Distribution: na Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI. Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ouchem.chem.oakland.edu Sumatriptan(Imitrex) just became available in the US in a subcutaneous injectable form. Is there an oral form available in CA? A friend(yes really not me!) has severe migranes about 2-3 times per week. We live right by the CA border and he has gotten drugs for GERD prescribed by a US physician and filled in a CA pharmacy, but not yet FDA approved in the US. What would be the cost of the oral form in CA$ also if anyone would have that info? Thanks ";-1;0 "From: ""George Guillory"" Subject: Tx. Senator Bob Krueger RTKBA statement Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Performance Systems Int'l X-Mailer: WORLDLink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 10 For those of you interested, I just finished talking with a representative of Senator Bob Krueger's reelection campaign about his position on the RTKBA. Krueger was appointed by the Democratic Governor of Texas to complete Lloyd Bentsen's unexpired term. The representative said that Senator Krueger did not have a position and would only comment on specific legislation that was pending. No comment was available on the various versions of the Brady Bill. Be warned and vote accordingly. ";-1;0 "From: sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Nntp-Posting-Host: stan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Defence Research Establishment Suffield X-Newssoftware: GRn-beta 1.16g (04.01.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz Mime-Version: 1.0 Distribution: na Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr14.181738.18472@bmers95.bnr.ca> alee@bmerh794.bnr.ca (Louis Leclerc) writes: > > In article <34263@oasys.dt.navy.mil> you write: > >VA, CT, Wash DC and I think BC Canada where I've heard they actually > >use Radar detector detectors. > > Nope, not in British Columbia. Detectors are legal here in BC, I've even > got one. > > In Alberta and Ontario they're illegal, and detection devices are sometimes > used. I've heard the police in Ontario prefer a much more direct method of > detection. Just trigger the radar gun, watch for people slamming on the > brakes, and search the car. > > > David Lee > leex@sfu.ca > Detectors are legal in Alberta, the old law was overturned a long time ago. -- Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca (403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6 ";-1;0 "From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: div. and conf. names Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Distribution: na Lines: 50 In <1993Apr19.191126.27651@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: >However, that aside, the real question is whether you like the idea of >changing the names based on the reasons given for it (making it easier for >the 'casual fan'), or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names >based on individuals who do deserve the honour. IMO, the latter is a nice >and unique touch that differs from other sports. In addition, I do not >think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of >people that are interested in hockey, so it's a pointless exercise anyway. There are several problems with the way the game is being presented to the fans. I feel that geographical names would enhance regional loyalties more than names honouring personages. And of course, they would not appear nearly as confusing to one approaching the sport for the first time. Another thing that bothers me is the points system. Percentages, as used in the other major sports are clearly more informative. When I look at the NHL standings the first thing I have to do is make a quick calculation to account for games in hand (which is almost always the case). Some will object to percentages, claiming perhaps, that it is an ""Americanization"" of the sport but I feel that using percentages is more informative and whether it is ""American"" or not is irrelevant. >If the current names are inappropriate, then that is a separate issue, not >central to the original article. Something to consider additionally is >whether or not players like Orr who 'contributed to the glory of the sport' >would have been able to do so _without_ an organized professional league to >play in. In this case, honouring builders of the _league_ as opposed to >builders of the _sport_ becomes a chicken-and-egg type question. (although >it was the chicken.....) Even if Orr couldn't have contributed without the likes of Norris, you would have to agree that Norris couldn't have contributed without the likes of Orr. And taking a poll of most fans would quickly tell you who the fans feel made the more meaningful contribution. >>Exactly true. Naming divisions and trophies after Smythe and the bunch >>is the same kind of nepotism that put Stein in the hall of fame. I have >>always thought that this was nonsense. >Dunno if the Stein comparison is justifiable, since it doesn't look as though >his 'unanimous acceptance' to the Hall will hold up. It doesn't look as if the division names are going to hold up either does it? -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" ";-1;0 "From: AS.VXF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Vic Filler) Subject: Re: Deir Yassin Organization: Stanford University Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu In article <1993Apr19.204243.19392@cs.rit.edu>, bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes: > >I have previously posted quotations by Irgun participants that >totally destroys Begin's whitewash. I have no particular desire >to post it yet again. > >Brendan. >(normally bdm@cs.anu.edu.au) You apparently think you are some sort of one-man judge and jury who can declare ""total"" victory and then sit back and enjoy the applause. But you've picked the wrong topic if you think a few rigged ""quotations"" can sustain the legend and lie of the Deir Yassin ""massacre."" You have a lot to learn when it comes to historical methodology. At the most basic level, you should know that there is a big difference between weighing evidence fairly and merely finding ""quotations"" that support your preset opinions. If you have studied the history of Israel at all you must know that many of the sources of your ""quotations"" have an axe to grind, and therefore you must be very careful about whom you ""quote."" For example, Meir Pa'il, whom you cite, was indeed a general, a scholar, and a war hero. But that doesn't mean everything that comes out of his mouth is gold. In fact (and here your lack of experience shows), Pa'il is such a fanatic, embittered leftist that much of his anti-Israel blathering (forget about anti-Irgun blathering) would be considered something like treason in non-Israel contexts. But of course you don't consider this AT ALL when you find a juicy ""quotation"" that you can use to attack Israel. Benny Morris (of Hashomer Hatzair) represents himself as a ""scholar"" when he rehashes the old attacks on the Irgun. Don't be fooled. It's just the old Zionist ideological catfight, surfacing as an attack on the (then-) Likud government. If you will look closely at the section on Deir Yassin in his book on the War of Independence, you will see his ""indictment"" to be pure hot air. And this is the BEST HE CAN DO after decades of digging for any sort of damning evidence. Unfortunately for him, because his book parades itself as ""scholarly,"" he is forced to put footnotes. So you can clearly see that his Deir Yassin account is based on nothing. The Deir Yassin ""massacre"" never took place as the propagandists tell it, any more than the Sabra and Shatila ""massacres."" Do you get the feeling people like to blame the Jews for ""massacres,"" even if they have to make them up? It must sound spicy. Even some Jews like to do it, for reasons of their own. Please, don't confuse any of you Deir Yassin ""massacre"" stuff with facts or scholarship. You should stick to Begin's version unless you find something serious to contradict it. Vic ";15;1 "From: skt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Simon K Train) Subject: Help me please! Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. Distribution: net Lines: 7 I am a PhD student. Can I get the sci.crypt group posted directly to me??? Also I would like some feed-back on the encryption schemes that my research in finite fields can be applied to. Any takers Reply to gamv25@udcf.gla.ac.uk Thanks yours Gavin. ";-1;0 "Subject: NCAA finals...Winner???? From: ktgeiss@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"" Lines: 1 Lake State/Maine in finals...WHO WON? Please post. ";-1;0 "From: ekr@squick.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: EIT Lines: 88 NNTP-Posting-Host: squick.eitech.com In article <1r3le9$mlj@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article <1r22qp$4sk@squick.eitech.com> ekr@squick.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes: >#In article <1r0m89$r0o@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >#>In article <1qvu33$jk3@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes: >#>#>If almost all people agree that the sun exists (in the usual, uncritical sense), >#>#>and almost all people agree that a deal is bad, it's a reasonable >#>#>conclusion that the sun really does exist, and that the deal really is bad. >#>#I disagree completely. Until rather recently, most people did not >#>#believe in evolution or the possibility of the atom bomb. Popular >#>#opinion is notoriously wrong about matters of fact. >#>True, but nevertheless the basis of all ""matters of fact"" is overwhelming >#>popular opinion, and some overwhelming popular opinion *is* fact (""the >#>sun shines""). If it were not so, physics would be a personal matter, >#>assumed to be different for each of us. There would be YourGravity and >#>MyGravity and no theoretical framework to encompass them and predict >#>both. >#This is simply complete nonsense. The basis for 'matters of fact' is, >#if any class of opinion, the majority of INFORMED popular opinion >#for some value of informed. I would really hate to base my knowledge >#of, for instance, QM on what the overwhelming popular opinion is. >The *basis*, Eric, is people peering at the world and saying what >they see. I'm talking about uninterpreted facts - observations. _People_ >do those. Agreement on some observations is a prerequisite for a theory >that is more than personal. Yes, that's true, but you have to be clear exactly what is an uninterpreted observation. It's pretty low level stuff. 'The sun shines' is already a LOT higher level than that. We can agree that 'I perceive brightness' perhaps. >#>Now I take an experience of good/evil to be every bit as raw a fact as an >#>experience of pain, or vision. >#That might seem like a good first pass guess, but it turns out to >#be a pretty cruddy way to look at things, because we all seem to >#have rather different opinions (experiences) about what is good >#and evil, while we seem to be able to agree on what the meter says. >You're not comparing apples with apples. If we all look at the same meter, >we'll agree. If we're all in the same situation, that's when we'll >agree on fundamental values, if at all. People who say that nobody agrees on >values to the same extent that they agree on trivial observations seem >to be unaware of the extent of agreement on either. Huh? What do you mean 'all in the same situation?' Let's take me and Dennis Kriz as examples. We're in pretty different situations, but I think we can agree as to whether it's day or night. I don't think we can agree as to whether or not abortion is morally acceptable. Yet we are certainly in the same difference of situations with respect to each other. Looks like weasel-words to me, Frank. >#I don't see that it's any evidence at all. >#As I point out above, I'm really not interested very much in >#what the popular opinion is. I'm prepared to trust--to some extent-- >#the popular opinion about direct matters of physical observation >#because by and large they accord with my own. However, if everyone >#else said the dial read 1.5 and it looked like a 3 to me, I would >#hope that I would believe myself. I.e. believing other people about >#these matters seems to have a reasonable probability of predicting >#what I would believe if I observed myself, but the possibility exists >#that it is not. Since I know from observation that others disagree >#with me about what is good, I believe I can discount popular opinion >#about 'good' from the beginning as a predictor of my opinion. >#I would say that the fact that it seems almost impossible to get >#people to agree on what is good in a really large number of situations >#is probably the best evidence that objective morality is bogus, actually. >Firstly, if everyone else said the dial was 1.5 and I saw 3, I'd check >my lens prescription. That's up to you, I guess. > Secondly, your observation that people >disagree shows nothing - people may be looking at different things, >by virtue of being in different situations. If I look at an elephant, I'll >see an elephant. That doesn't imply that you will see an elephant if you >look at an iguana. This 'different situations' stuff is pretty confusing, Frank. How do we decide if we are in the same situation? You mind explaining? > Thirdly, I question your assumption that when >people disagree about how to achieve fundamental or secondary goals, that >they therefore do not have the same fundamental goals (that seems to be the >disagreement you refer to). Huh? I don't think so. I think that people disagree about fundamental goals. -Ekr -- Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com Would you buy used code from this man? ";19;1 "From: gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios) Subject: Help me select a Backup Solution Organization: The Software Engineering Institute Lines: 55 Hi Netters! I'm looking at purchasing some sort of backup solution. After you read about my situation, I'd like your opinion. Here's the scenario: 1. There are two computers in the house. One is a small 286 (40MB IDE drive). The other is a 386DX (213 SCSI drive w/ Adaptec 1522 controller). Both systems have PC TOOLS and will use Central Point Backup as the backup / restore program. Both systems have 3.5"" and 5.25"" floppies. 2. The computers are not networked (nor will they be anytime soon). From what I have seen so far, there appear to be at least 4 possible solutions (I'm sure there are others I haven't thought about). For these options, I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has tried them or sees any flaws (drive type X won't coexist with device Y, etc.) in my thinking (I don't know very much about these beasts): 1. Put 2.88MB floppy drives (or a combination drive) on each system. Can someone supply cost and brand information? What's a good brand? What do the floppies themselves cost? 2. Put an internal tape backup unit on the 386 using my SCSI adapter, and continue to back up the 286 with floppies. Again, can someone recommend a few manufacturers? The only brand I remember is Colorado Memories. Any happy or unhappy users (I know about the compression controversy)? 3. Connect an external tape backup unit on the 386 using my SCSI adapter, and (maybe?) connect it to the 286 somehow (any suggestions?) 4. Install a Floptical drive in each machine. Again, any gotcha's or recommendations for manufacturers? I appreciate your help. You may either post or send me e-mail. I will summarize all responses for the net. Thanks, George =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= George J. Pandelios Internet: gjp@sei.cmu.edu Software Engineering Institute usenet: sei!gjp 4500 Fifth Avenue Voice: (412) 268-7186 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 FAX: (412) 268-5758 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Disclaimer: These opinions are my own and do not reflect those of the Software Engineering Institute, its sponsors, customers, clients, affiliates, or Carnegie Mellon University. In fact, any resemblence of these opinions to any individual, living or dead, fictional or real, is purely coincidental. So there. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ";-1;0 "From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony Landreneau) Subject: Re: Abortion Distribution: world Organization: Ozone Online Operations, Inc., DBA The Ozone Hole BBS Reply-To: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony Landreneau) Lines: 21 To: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com LM>>The rape has passed, there is nothing that will ever take that away. LM>True. But forcing her to remain pregnant continues the violation of LM>her body for another 9 months. I see this as being unbelievably cruel. Life is not a ""violation"". As for cruel, killing a living being solely because it exsist. That my friend is down right cold. Anthony * SLMR 2.1 * What's the difference between an Orange? ---- The Ozone Hole BBS * A Private Bulletin Board Service * (504)891-3142 3 Full Service Nodes * USRobotics 16.8K bps * 10 Gigs * 100,000 Files SKYDIVE New Orleans! * RIME Network Mail HUB * 500+ Usenet Newsgroups Please route all questions or inquiries to: postmaster@ozonehole.com ";19;1 "From: green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Article-I.D.: ns1.C5tEnu.112F Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu Just to shed some light on the fire, it was widely reported (AP, etc.) that there WERE several witnesses to BD folks starting the fires. It has also been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once, which rules out a Bradley knocking over a lamp, etc. as the cause. What I would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident. I believe the moves made were right and proper, but I still have some problems with some of the tactics. After watching the ABC special on it tonight, as well as CNN and Nightline, I question some of the ATF and FBI actions. 1) Could it have been possible to have taken Koresh outside the compound at some time before the Feb. 28th raid? 2) Could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome. 3) Were FBI actions (blaring loudspeakers, etc.) the ""right"" course of action? And a few other questions. Like I said, I believe the actions taken, in general, were proper. But I still have some reservations. One other point, I'm no fan of Janet Reno, but I do like the way she had the ""balls"" to go ahead and take full responsibility. Seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue. ";-1;0 "From: caryd@a.cs.okstate.edu (CARY DAVID ALLEN) Subject: Self-modifying hardware Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater Lines: 70 Permit me to quote fragments of praetzel@sunee.uwaterloo.ca's article out of context. -Newsgroups: sci.electronics,comp.lsi.cad -From: praetzel@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) -Date: 10 Feb 93 15:46:41 GMT - Currently the XNF format is propierty and I know of at least on person at -a university who was able to get it after signing a non-disclosure agreement. -The Xilinx-bit map format is pretty well top secret. I would love to know it -because then you could make self_modifying_hardware ;-) As it is I had to -reverse eng. the Xilinx tools to dump the bit map to the FPGA because it only -runs on the computer with the hardware key. self-modifying hardware could be *very* interesting -- computers that could write thier own programs (assemblers, compilers) were an immense breakthrough from calculators that couldn't. - I eagerly await a programmable gate array which uses a PD format and does -not cost your first born to program. Till then we will keep on reverse -engineering whatever we can. As it is one company that I worked at has gone -under. FPGAs are what they needed to make their product competitive. They -could not afford them. In the end you could say that they could not afford -to not use them but the management discovered that too late. - - Eric my condolences. i can't even imagine what i could do with self-modifing hardware. i *can* imagine self-modifying software, and even though *all* my teachers say that's BAD, even Worse than GOTO, check out what the experts *used* to say about self-modifying code: (he uses ""orders"" rather than ""opcodes"") ""On the Principles of Large Scale Computing Machines"" by Goldstine and von Neumann, collected in _John von Neumann: Collected Works, Vol. V_ reprinted here with absolutely no permission from anyone. ""We plan... to have a full size (40 binary digit) word hold either contain 1 full size number (... equivalent to 12 decimal digits, but we will use the first binary digit to denote the sign) or two (20 binary digit) orders. .... It should be added that this technique of automatic substitutions into orders, i.e. the machine's ability to modify its own orders (under the control of other ones among its orders) is absolutely necessary for a flexible code. Thus, if part of the memory is used as a ""function table"", then ""looking up"" a value of that function for a value of the variable which is obtained in the course of the computation requires that the machine itself should modify, or rather make up, the reference to the memory in the order which controls this ""looking up"", and the machine can only make this modification after it has already calculated the value of the variable in question. On the other hand, this ability of the machine to modify its own orders is one of the things which makes coding the non-trivial operation which we have to view it as."" david cary, tenor, e- and comp. engineering (finger caryd@a.cs.okstate.edu). 227 S. 163 E. Ave, Tulsa, OK 74108-3310, USA, Sol 3, Universe v. 1.2 -- david cary, tenor, e- and comp. engineering (finger caryd@a.cs.okstate.edu). 227 S. 163 E. Ave, Tulsa, OK 74108-3310, USA, Sol 3, Universe v. 1.2 ";11;1 "Subject: Re: 68LC040 vs. 68RC040 in Centris 650 From: Bruce@hoult.actrix.gen.nz (Bruce Hoult) Lines: 16 Zack T. Smith writes: > konpej@eua.ericsson.se (Per Ejeklint) writes: > > >Hm, maybe I'm missing something, but the Centris 650 has the '040 with FPU. > >At least the ones shipped here in Europe. > > You are indeed. The 4/80 model (shipped here) definitely does not have the > FPU. I own one; I know. No, he's not missing anything. You're right that some models of the 650 ship in the USA without FPU or Ethernet. Per Ejeklint is also right -- *all*, I repeat, *ALL* Centris 650's sold here in New Zealand and, I assume, Europe have the FPU and Ethernet. I know. I bought a 650 4/80 and it has both FPU and Ethernet. ";-1;0 "From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 59 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <0096B294.AAD9C1E0@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu> reimer@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu (Paul E. Reimer) writes: > In article <1qkftjINNoij@cronkite.cisco.com>, pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano Pitargue) writes: > > [stuff deleted about causes of people in ER] > > >and your factoid about shooting victims in the ER. count how many come in > >due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw > >cars. > >marciano pitargue@cisco.com > > There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some > regulation to try to combat this. Such as? Drunk drivers get back on the road in no time, to kill again. Seems the driver's license process does not work for this. > When I got my drivers license, I HAD > to take a drivers safety class. Because you wanted one while you were underage. > I HAVE to be licensed to drive. Only on public roads. > My car > MUST be registered. Only if it is to be driven on public roads, other than between segments of my property. > I MUST (at least where I live) have liability > insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an > accident with it). Only on public roads. > Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration > of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for > gun owners. Perhaps, if it gave them permission to shoot in public roads and parks. :-) > > Paul Reimer > reimer@uinpluxa.npl.uiuc.edu Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 ";-1;0 "From: Wilson Swee Subject: compiling on sun4_411 Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu Hi, I have a piece of X code that compiles fine on pmax-ul4, pmax_mach, as well as sun4_mach, but whenever it compiles on sun4_411, it gives me undefined ld errors: _sin _cos _pow _floor _get_wmShellWidgetClass _get_applicationShellWidgetClass The following libraries that I linked it to are: -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 The makefile is generated off an imake template. Can anyone give me pointers as to what I'm missing out to compile on a sun4_411? Thanx Wilson ";-1;0 "From: Mike Diack Subject: NuBus NTSC Genlock card f/sale X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 02:54:45 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-97.gw.umn.edu Organization: persian cat & carpet co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Lines: 5 ""Computer Friends"" nubus card - good for doing graphics overlays on your videos etc. $275 with apple 8 bit vid card, $225 without. Wont sell vid card separately. UPS (U pay shipping). cheers Mike. ";-1;0 "From: leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Lines: 67 In article angcl@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Claude Angers) writes: >In article leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) writes: >>In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes: >>>In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: >>>> >>>>Dear friend, >>>> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has >>>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase >>>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >>>>computer architecture for more information about RISC. >>> >>>hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember >>>reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. >>>The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not >>>as orthogonal is CISC. >>> >>>-- >> >>Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer. That's why everyone >>is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC. Personally, I think CISC will win out. >>Just take a look at the Pentium! (Not that I like Intel architectures either, >>but that's another story...) >> >>bye! >> > >Do you mean that the Pentium is better than a Risc? or that it will outsell >them all? If the first, you have to remember that intel CISC (like the >pentium) are a always a generation away from the best riscs... also Riscs >cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities (not >even on the same order)... but I remember reading about 3 years (maybe 2) >about a T800(?) from hypercube that did a 100 mips, was superscallar AND >reordered its instruction itself so I'm not 100% sure, but I think the T800 was a 25MHz transputer? so ya tie a gazillion of them together to get 100mips. (The newest is the T9000 which kicks anyone's butt :)... haven't seen them used much though). Anyway, to respond, I think the Pentium (CISC) is better than the more advanced RISC (e.g., like the alpha, etc. the 66MHz Pentium has approximately the same ""performance"" as the superduper 133MHz Alpha - here, performance is the weird Specint92 that everyone refers to? - this is what I *heard* - the Alpha still kicks in the P5's butt in fp - again, this is what I *heard*). and in the computing world, if you sell lots of chips (like intel), and make it faster (like intel), you are the winner (like intel), even though you have a sucky architecture from over 10 years ago (like intel :0). If you can make a ""CISC"" chip (superscalar, superduperpipelined, superfast) with the ideas behind the ""RISC"" ideology, you got a CISC chip. And then I admit I can't see the advantages of RISC over CISC... If the latest technology is a generation behind, then it sucks (relatively speaking). Now I may sound like I like intel, but I'll have to say that the P5 is some real kick butt pile of Si and SiO2... But I hope that Motorola really catches up with the 68K line... or I'm gonna start crying... brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian ""Hojo"" Lee | ""Hey, excuse me miss, could I have a .GIF of you?"" leebr@ecf.toronto.edu | leebr@eecg.toronto.edu | (try Linux... the best and free UN*X clone!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Chris Mussack) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") - soc.religion.christian #16242 Reply-To: mussack@austin.ibm.com Lines: 38 In article , trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: > norris@athena.mit.edu writes: > > For example: why does the universe exist at all? > > Must there be a ""why"" to this? I ask because of what you also > assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no ""why"" > to His existence. So the question is reversed, ""Why can't > we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to > ""just exist""? Why must there be a ""why"" to the universe?"" Whether there is a ""why"" or not we have to find it. This is Pascal's(?) wager. If there is no why and we spend our lives searching, then we have merely wasted our lives, which were meaningless anyway. If there is a why and we don't search for it, then we have wasted our potentially meaningful lives. Suppose the universe is 5 billion years old, and suppose it lasts another 5 billion years. Suppose I live to be 100. That is nothing, that is so small that it is scary. So by searching for the ""why"" along with my friends here on earth if nothing else we aren't so scared. What if you woke up at a party, with no memory, and everyone was discussing who the host might be? There might not be a host, you say. I say let's go find him, the party's going to be over sometime, maybe he'll let us stay. Because we recognize our own mortality we have to find the ""why"". > ... > Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism, > Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic > quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values, > thus all must be true... This is a good point. But more of a good point for studying religion than ignoring it. Some Christians disagree with me, but it is worthwhile to study different religions and philosophies and glean the truth from them. To quote (of course out of context) ""Test everything and keep what is true."" Chris Mussack ";-1;0 "From: reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve) Subject: Re: Yankee fears. Nntp-Posting-Host: steam.xylogics.com Reply-To: reeve@steam.Xylogics.COM (Scott Reeve) Organization: Xylogics, Inc. Burlington, MA, USA 01810 Lines: 1 Rawley Eastwick ";14;1 "From: ray@engr.LaTech.edu (Bill Ray) Subject: Re: Acutane, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and CFS Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ee02.engr.latech.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Daniel Prince (Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com) wrote: : ... I think they should rename Waco TX to Wacko TX! I know it is just a joke, but please remember: the people of Waco did not ask David Koresh to be a lunatic there, he just happened. Waco is a lovely town. I would think someone living in the home of flakes and nut would be more sensitive :-) ";-1;0 "From: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Reply-To: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 43 In article , ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes: > Yeah, too much Mutlu/Argic isn't helping. I could, one day, proceed and You shouldn't think many Turks read Mutlu/Argic stuff. They are in my kill file, likewise any other fanatic. > >(I have nothing against Greeks but my problem is with fanatics. I have met > >so many Greeks who wouldn't even talk to me because I am Turkish. From my > >experience, all my friends always were open to Greeks) > > Well, the history, wars, current situations, all of them do not help. Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to believe for somebody trying to be objective. When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? Do you think it was your right to be there? I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it was a positive attempt to make the relations better. The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals why the hatred? So that makes me think that there is some kind of brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish encounters during your schooling. take it easy! -- Tankut Atan tankut@iastate.edu ""Achtung, baby!"" ";-1;0 "From: mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck Chuck Bo-Buck... McMath) Subject: Re: Giants' GM Quinn *is* a genius! Organization: Ross Perot Ear Admiration Society Lines: 37 In article <80416@apple.apple.COM>, chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) wrote: > > mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck Chuck Bo-Buck... McMath) writes: > > > > >""When the Giants protected Mike Benjamin (career average .160) ovre pitcher > >Pat Rapp, there were surprised looks in the Bay Area > > >Benjamin's stats: .333/.364/.571, 42 ab, 14 H, 4 doubles, 2 dingers. > > >And Rapp's even been sent down to AAA. So it's even *better* than that, > >eh? > > Of course, the protected list was done by the OLD regime, not the new, so > this is Rosen's baby, not Quinn's. > > And I'll tell you what. Let's look at this again at the end of the season, > and, say in three years, and see who the genius is. One of the more > braindead decisions by the OldGiants, IMHO. Even if Benjamin DOES improve > markedly over the past (and his hitting is better) he's never going to be > more than a utility/backup IF. Rapp might turn into a top-flight arm in > another year. I think the next time I post something like this, I obviously need to make the sarcasm a bit more obvious... chuck |- chuck mcmath - mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov - MSD, Inc. ---------------| |- National Library of Medicine - National Institutes of Health -----| |- Bethesda, MD 20894 ----------- No noose is good noose ------------| |- ""Hey batter, hey batter, hey batter, swing"" - Anon. --------------| |------------ This opinion influenced by cosmic radiation -----------| ";-1;0 "From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Compiling help Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 12 I'd like to compile X11r5 on a Sony NWS-1750 running NEWS 4.1c. The X distribution has support for this config, and the release notes say it has been tested on the machine. BUT, also in the release notes, nothing from Sony is listed under the supported servers. What am I supposed to use for my r5 X server then? How can the OS be supported, but not the hardware? Is there something in the r4 binaries that can be used as the r5 server? These may seem like silly questions, but I'm *really* confused. -- mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu ""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown ";12;1 "From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 34 In article <8994@blue.cis.pitt.edu> traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) writes: > >One of the chapters in Palmer and Thorn's 'Hidden Game' is titled >'Pitching is 44% of Baseball,' implying that fielding is 6%. How do >they determine that? Beats me -- it's been a long, long time since I >read it. This was (my opinion) the stupidest thing in the Hidden Game. The argument was 1) Defense, or runs allowed, is 50% of the game. 2) Unearned runs amount to 12% of the runs allowed; earned runs, 88%. 3) Since unearned runs are the result of fielding, not pitching, and earned runs are the product of pitching, not fielding, fielding is 12% of defense and pitching is 88% of defense. 4) Caombining with #1, pitching is 44% of the game, fielding 6%. Pete is usually sharper than that. My own feel is that fielding is in the 25-33% of defense range; call it 30-70 between fielding and pitching. >One also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning, with the >split probably somewhere around 49.5% and 0.5%. I'd give baserunning a little more credit than that, maybe 45-5, or even 40-10. Give a team of Roberto Alomar and a team of John Oleruds identical batting stats (which wouldn't be that unreasonable), and even if you don't let Roberto steal a single base, they'll score a lot more than the Oleruds by going first-to-third more often. (No offense, Gordon). Clay D. ";-1;0 "From: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) Subject: Re: WinQVT/Net V3.4? Article-I.D.: biochemi.ashok.661.0 Distribution: usa Organization: CWRU School of Medicine Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: axa12-slip.dialin.cwru.edu In article <354@lorien.OCF.LLNL.GOV> dave@angmar.llnl.gov (Dave Fuess) writes: >An earlier article in this newsgroup made reference to >WinQVT/Net version 3.4. Realy? Where? I tried archie >with no luck. It's probably just a typo. Not a typo. It was uploaded to ftp.cica.indiana.edu a couple days back. >But I sure would like to get one if it's real as I too >have a printer problem in WinQVT. Version 3.4 uses standard Windows printer drivers. Ashok -- Ashok Aiyar Mail: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu Department of Biochemistry Tel: (216) 368-3300 CWRU School of Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio Fax: (216) 368-4544 ";-1;0 "From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 In <11825@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >>What do you base your belief on atheism on? Your knowledge and reasoning? >>COuldn't that be wrong? >> > Actually, my atheism is based on ignorance. Ignorance of the > existence of any god. Don't fall into the ""atheists don't believe > because of their pride"" mistake. How do you know it's based on ignorance, couldn't that be wrong? Why would it be wrong to fall into the trap that you mentioned? Also, if I may, what the heck where we talking about and why didn't I keep some comments on there to see what the line of thoughts were? MAC >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ >Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM >They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, >and sank Manhattan out at sea. >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits. ";-1;0 "From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: Booting from B drive Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 David Weisberger (djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu) wrote: : I have a 5 1/4"" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from : my 3 1/2"" B drive? (Optimally, the computer would be able to boot : from either A or B, checking them in order for a bootable disk. But : if I have to switch cables around and simply switch the drives so that : it can't boot 5 1/4"" disks, that's OK. Also, boot_b won't do the trick : for me.) : : Thanks, : Davebo We had the same issue plague us for months on our Gateway. I finally got tired of it so I permanently interchanged the drives. The only reason I didn't do it in the first place was because I had several bootable 5-1/4's and some 5-1/4 based install disks which expected the A drive. I order all new software (and upgrades) to be 3-1/2 and the number of ""stupid"" install programs that can't handle an alternate drive are declining with time - the ones I had are now upgraded. And as for the bootable 5-1/4's I just cut 3-1/2 replacements. If switching the drives is not an option, you might be able to wire up a drive switch to your computer chasis. I haven't tried it but I think it would work as long as it is wired carefully. Gordon Lang ";5;1 "From: j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) Subject: Re: Riddle me this... Organization: University of New Brunswick Distribution: usa Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr21.040839.20574@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.050550.4660@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) writes: >>That the gas was ""not harmful"", as the sensitive, caring Janet Reno described >>it? > >Is it? As far as I know, tear gas, especially in large concentrations, >is very dangerous (even toxic) for small children. This makes the >FBI's supposedconcern for the safety of the children seem rather >hypocritical. > Not to mention that the G-men believed the children didn't have gas masks. But that was not, with respect to the children, the point of the gassing. The feds *knew* that the children's health would be in danger and proceeded under the assumption that the ""motherly instinct"" of the Davidian women would remove them from harm's way. I busted a gut on that one. Someone else on the net observed that the administration's appeal to a woman's ""motherly instinct"" would never wash with feminists and liberals if a republican were in the White House. I say that such an justification could *only* come from a feminist mindset. BTW - I'd read in the paper yesterday that the type of gas used was CS2. The paper didn't provide any specifics about it. ""Guess I'm still writing..."" Malcolm Fuller, Surveying Engineering, University of New Brunswick malcolm@atlantic.cs.unb.ca or j979@jupiter.csd.unb.ca }>:-/> ---> _____________ Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem ____________ ";-1;0 "From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov In article wex@cs.ulowell.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr15.100452.16793@csx.cciw.ca>, u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes: >|> > I was wondering if people had any good uses for old >|> >256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac >|> >and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to >|> >sell them but have gotten NO interest. > >We use them as Christmas tree decorations, the cat doesn't eat these. Yes, but they don't look appropriate. I much prefer used 833 tubes on my tree. --scott ";-1;0 "From: marc@pinet.aip.org (Marc Wiener) Subject: core dump from getcons(?) Organization: American Institute of Physics Lines: 11 We are getting a memory fault and a core dump whenever we end a Motif session under Ultrix 4.3, running on a DEC 5000/240. An examintion of the core file leads us to believe it's from getcons. Does anyone know what this is all about? marc -- Marc Wiener | marc@aip.org American Institute of Physics | 500 Sunnyside Blvd. | Voice: (516)576-2329 Woodbury, NY 11797 | Fax: (516)349-7669 ";-1;0 "From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) Subject: Re: CNN California MC helmet law article Article-I.D.: prcrs.5914 Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA Lines: 31 , jlp@blink.att.com (Jon Peticolas(x7058)) writes: > > Hey! it works. You could present the paragraph above to virtually any member > of the non-motorcycling public and they'll buy right into it. > > Just about any argument you can produce in favor of banning helmetless > riding can be used to argue in favor of banning motorcycles. > It's just a matter of degree. That's absurd! That statement must therefore say that any argument in favor of seatbelts or airbags is an argument against automobiles. Any argument for lifeguards is an argument against swimming. It says that any agrgument in favor of safety precautions is an argument for banning the activity to which the precautions apply. Extrapolating to that degree is ridiculous, there wouldn't be any normal human activity left to do; therefore it is a non-seqitur. Also, even though most people do not ride motorcycles, they do boat, sail, jetski, climb, ski, fly parachute, hang-glide, glide, bungee-jump, bike, skate, rollerblade, skateboard, play rugby (ouch), mow the lawn, rewire the basement, operate heavy machinery, and do a host of other 'dangerous' things that would all be as valid as motorcycling as activities to ban. Your little homily applies to all those things, and the general public buying into banning motorcycles without realizing that their activity would be next is unlikely. -- | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | ""Donuts! Is there anything they | | DoD# 541 Diviner of Dreams | can't do? "" Homer | | HIFI# 2 | | ";-1;0 "From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: <, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: |> |> >>Look, I'm not the one that made those Nazi comparisons. Other people |> >>compared what the religious people are doing now to Nazi Germany. They |> >>have said that it started out with little things (but no one really knew |> >>about any of these ""little"" things, strangely enough) and grew to bigger |> >>things. They said that the motto is but one of the little things |> >You just contradicted yourself. The motto is one of those little things that |> >nobody has bothered mentiopning to you, huh? |> |> The ""`little' things"" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People |> said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any. |> They said that these were things that everyone should know, and that they |> weren't going to waste their time repeating them. Sounds to me like no one |> knew, either. I looked in some books, but to no avail. That's not true. I gave you two examples. One was the rather pevasive anti-semitism in German Christianity well before Hitler arrived. The other was the system of social ranks that were used in Imperail Germany and Austria to distinguish Jews from the rest of the population. Neither of these were very terrible in themselves, but both helped to set a psychology in which the gradual disenfranchisement of Jews was made easier. jon. ";9;1 "From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Organization: Brought to you by the numbers 2, 3, and 7 In-Reply-To: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 11:21:34 GMT <1993Apr19.180049.20572@qualcomm.com> <1qv83m$5i2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) writes: Just a question. As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland) The US doesn't yet have many laws covering BBSs - they're not common carriers, they're not phone companies, they're just private machines or services operated by businesses. There's no obligation to keep records. As Perry Metzger points out, if the police come with a search warrant, you have to let them see what the warrant demands, if it exists, and they generally can confiscate the equipment as ""evidence"" (which is not Constitutionally valid, but we're only beginning to develop court cases supporting us). A court MAY be able to compel you to tell them information you know, such as the encryption password for the disk - there aren't any definitive cases yet, since it's a new situation, and there probably aren't laws specifically covering it. But the court can't force you to *know* the keys, and there are no laws preventing you from allowing your users to have their own keys for their own files without giving them to you. Even in areas that do have established law, there is uncertainty. There was a guy in Idaho a few years ago who had his business records subpoenaed as evidence for taxes or some other business-restriction law, so he gave the court the records. Which were in Hebrew. The US doesn't have laws forcing you to keep your records in English, and these were the originals of the records. HE didn't speak Hebrew, and neither did anybody in the court organization. Don't think they were able to do much about it. It might be illegal for your BBS to deny access to potential customers based on race, religion, national origin, gender, or sexual preference; it probably hasn't been tested in court, but it seems like a plausible extension of anti-discrimination laws affecting other businesses. -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 ";-1;0 "From: blockley@csu.murdoch.edu.au (Adrian Blockley) Subject: integrated cct-type UM82C452L manufac by UMC. Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: essun1.murdoch.edu.au where can I buy 1 or 2 of these chips (pref in Australia)? What is name and address of `UMC'? Dan -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Blockley ! I may say something profound Environmental science ! here one day. Murdoch University ! Western Australia, 6153 ! blockley@essun1.murdoch.edu.au ! phone 09-360 2737 ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 24 In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >larger engine. That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family >sedan with a powerful engine. They didn't even bother improving the >*brakes.* That shows how much you know about anything. The brakes on the SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around, vented in front. The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front, drums rear. Your argument still boils down to ""An SHO shouldn't be driven fast because I, Jim Frost, say it isn't designed to go fast."" Pffffftttttt. >If you think so you sure don't pay attention to my postings. Damn straight. You're one of those people who makes stuff up and tries to pawn it off as God's own truth. If I want lies I can go listen to television. the wharf rat ";-1;0 "From: jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer) Subject: Re: $50,000 Reward! Organization: Specialix Inc. Lines: 10 ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes: > If you are a ""United States' Citizen"" and a ""resident"" of the >state, then your citizenship is in D.C. and thus are a 14th Amendment >Citizen. Are you a Citizen of the State in which you live? If you are >a ""resident"" then you *are not*. So the only people who are citizens of a state are ones who don't live in that state? So am I a ""citizen"" of 49 other states since I live in California? ";-1;0 "From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) Subject: Re: US Government Sanctions Sacrilege News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 82 William December Starr writes... in a typical lawyer baiting fashion, as usual. (All the while ignoring every principle of the ACLU.) Good to see your still out there WDS. Surely we've been around the ring enough by now, that you know you can't spin me up with expletives. Let's see if there's anything left worth responding to... >Cyrus' ""Achy Breaky Heart"" ad infinitum until either Koresh surrenders or >the rest of the state of Texas is totally depopulated... :-) E for effort. Heard about the folks who live around foghorns and airports? >> Erect an Inverted Cross, or a Star of David broken asunder, out in >> front of the Davidians to provoke them. Or boom out Islamic prayers. >> Or worse. What temple would you destroy? What books would you burn? >> Will you kill clergy? Will you mock the Spirit of GOD before the >> innocent?? > >Sure I would. Why not? Seems right in character to me -- creature of the state. Btw, are you still happy with your presidents? >> If you in government have no respect for other's faith, and no respect >> for the lives and well being of those innocent children caught in this >> hell you've created -- why should anyone respect your lipservice of >> ""rule of law?"" > >What does rule of law have to do with respect for anyone's religious >faith? See the part about the children following the ""and"" in the first line above. As to a connection, your ""cult"" is ""faith in rules"". >> No matter who the criminals are, or what they've done (and it looks >> like there are criminals on both sides of the matter) -- their >> conviction is not worth the abuse you're causing. > >What abuse? Please be specific. Sure. My concern is the well being of the children. >> If you are willing to ignore the children, or heap abuse, insult, and >> sacrilege on the children inside the Davidian house -- then GOD REBUKE >> YOU. Best you learn directly from the Lord the corruption you're >> committing. In GOD's good time and way, the LORD judge you -- I can >> not. For truth be told I would send you all straight to hell -- and >> GOD would be right in sending me right along with you. > >Oh, fuck you and the God you rode in on, Stephen. If you can show the >legitimacy of God's claim of sovereignty over man, please do so. >Otherwise stop ranting and raving about him already. > >-- William December Starr {Interesting that you would respond ""emotionally"" in defense of the government. Maybe there is a beating heart there.} For the record though, the biggest-baddest goverment on earth claims the most sovereignty over man. Best I can tell God allows anyone to go to hell who wants to. Omnipotency logically determines that ""allowing"" and ""sending"" mean the same thing. (Mere human concepts of course.) So come on WDS. Why bother to try some flimsy facade of logic. Waco proves it's not needed -- the demonstration that government can walk over it's own rules in the name of justice has been made. No problem by me. Noted and announced -- for the record. Just giving the govern- ment it's due, and getting back to more worthwhile non-government concerns. | -- J -- | | stephen ";-1;0 "From: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) Subject: *** HELP I NEED SOME ADDRESSES *** Originator: jmcocker@c00137-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 21 Hi all, I'm trying to get mailing addresses for the following companies. Specifically, I need addresses for their personnel offices or like bureau. The companies are: - AMROC - Orbital Sciences Corp. (sp?) - Spacehab, Inc. (I know this one is somewhere in Seattle, WA, or at least part of it is.) - Space Industries, Inc. (Somewhere in Houston) - Space Enterprises Inc. If anybody could point me in the right direction on this, I would be most appreciative. I prefer an email response, but I will post a summary if sufficient interest exists. Thanks, Mitch-------------------------------->jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu ";2;1 "From: zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Keywords: bad drivers Organization: Amoco Distribution: usa Lines: 53 hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes: >> >So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own good , >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it. >> !!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!! >> >As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets >> >offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a >> >position to cash in my chips, too. >> > H.H. Mayo >> >> zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes: >> Well, Aren't we just Mr. Altruism himself!! Just what the world needs, >> another frustrated self appointed traffic cop. hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes: >Well, if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a 50 foot semi, >I suppose it's your neck, however, I'm not going to let you kill me in the >bargain. If you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death >due to less that wise driving practices, then TOUGH!!! Well, I never wrote that I would act as you described. I stated that I would not block a would-be passer. I would not block a would-be passer ""for their own good"" or for any reason other than I was prevented from doing so due to the traffic circumstance. I fail to see how deterring a passer under these circumstance would IN ANY WAY decrease YOUR chances of being involved in an accident, fatal or otherwise. In fact, I could imagine how blocking a would-be passer would actually INCREASE your chances of being ""offed"" or involved in an accident, especially if this ""passer"" is riding your bumper. Intentionally blocking a person riding your bumper is certainly NOT a ""wise driving practice"", it only causes the jam to become more congested. I don't mess with trucks and I actually watch the road ahead AND the road behind! If I perceive that I am rapidly closing on a ""pack"" of vehicles, I try to avoid getting caught up in situation such as you decribe. Usually either traffic is just building and I have to deal with this fact of life, or I wait to a slow passer to complete their pass and make way for the pack to clear. If someone decides then to pull up on my bumper, I signal my intention to move to the right, and do so at the first opportunity (& hope they will open the jam). I feel this is not only courteous driving, but ALOT safer than the actions you advocate!!! There are actually many courteous drivers on the road who do not intentionally impede others. If someone in front of me seems to be oblivious to the fact that they are blocking traffic I use my blinker or flash my lights, or, if all else fails, will briefly speed up /slow down so they MIGHT get the message that I am a faster vehicle trying to pass. I feel it is never safe to ride anyone's bumper. IF someone is intentionally blocking traffic, because they feel that it is civil duty or philosophic duty or for some unfathomable reason, I feel they deserve, at the very least, derision. (Sorry this is soooooooo long.) ";-1;0 "From: sp1henhj@edit (Henrik Balthazar Hjort) Subject: PostScript on X-terminal Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 I have a problem when I'm using PostScript. When I am working local on a SUN SPARCstaton IPC the PostScript works good, but when I connect to the SUN from a X-terminal I just get error messages that the PostScript cannot connect to the news-display. Why doesn't PostScript work on an X-terminal? Is there any way to make it work? Henrik ""Henrik Hjort"" Hjort ";-1;0 "From: zemcik@ls (Pavel Zemcik) Subject: Tseng ET4000 pixel clock Organization: Technical University of Brno, Czech Republic Keywords: ET4000 SVGA pixel clock Summary: Is there anybody who knows how to set ET4000 SVGA pixel clock? Lines: 19 I would like to program Tseng ET4000 to nonstandard 1024x768 mode by switching to standard 1024x768 mode using BIOS and than changing some timing details (0x3D4 registers 0x00-0x1F) but I don't know how to select 36 MHz pixel clock I need. The BIOS function selects 40 MHz. Is there anybody who knows where to obtain technical info about this. I am also interested in any other technical information about Tseng ET4000 and Trident 8900 and 9000 chipsets. thanks very much Pavel Zemcik Dept. of Comp. Sci. & Eng. Technical University of Brno Bozetechova 2 CS-612 66 Brno Czech Republic e-mail: zemcik@dcse.fee.vutbr.cs ";-1;0 "From: ted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Computing Research Lab Lines: 7 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: lole.nmsu.edu In-reply-to: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:19:06 GMT nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that clinton has been president. this is not something that choosing choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has been in the works for some time. ";-1;0 "From: crussell@netcom.com (Chris Russell) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 (SILLY) Organization: Adaptive Solutions, Custom Software & Support 909/861-4048 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 40 Mark Wilson (mark@ocsmd.ocs.com) wrote: : Mark A. Cartwright (markc@emx.utexas.edu) wrote: : : 42 is 101010 binary, and who would forget that its the : : answer to the Question of ""Life, the Universe, and Everything else."" : : Of course the Question has not yet been discovered... : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : But it WAS discovered (sort of). The question was ""What is 7 times 8?"" [ Read on and there's a special prize at the bottom. Amaze your friends and gain respect from your peers that you can carry on so long about the number 42. ] The original question was ""What is the meaning of Life, the Universe, and and Everything."" The answer generated by Deep Thought (the 2nd largest computer ever created) was 42. Deep Thought realized that to understand the answer, one must really know what the question is. Unfortunately, he didn't. But he was able to help build the largest computer (named Earth) which could figure out the real question. (I know this is background knowledge for everyone here... just bear with me a sec... :) When Arthur pulled the scrabble tiles out of the bag, he spelled out ""What is nine times six?"" (or the like). However, it is not clear that the monkey-man had the right question in his brain, especially since it was that lady in the diner (which was vaporized moments later) that came up with the answer to how everyone could get along. On the other hand, Marvin said he saw the answer in Dent's brain, so lets presume it's correct. Well, NINE TIMES SIX ***IS*** FORTY-TWO!!! ...in base 13. Chew on that for awhile... :) -- Chris Russell Custom software, networks, CASE tools, and consulting Adaptive Solutions Sun SPARC, SGI IRIS, HP Apollo, Macintosh, & PC Internet: crussell@netcom.com GTE: 909/861-4048 U.S. Mail: P.O. Box 5424 Diamond Bar, CA 91675-7424 ";1;1 "From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Playoff pool, rules, entry form Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 39 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Well, the tentative rules, anyway. And, of course, since the season is not entirely over, tentative entry form. But who cares? The real hockey season is starting!!!!! Here's the deal: You email (preferably) or post your predictions, AND the number of games you think each series will go. Each round will be weighted, so that the Stanley Cup finals will be very important, but the early rounds will still be important. Here is the scoring: Pick 1st round winner, way off on games: 2 points Pick 1st round winner, within one game: 3 points Pick 1st round winner, pick # of games: 5 points Pick 2nd round winner, way off on games: 3 points Pick 2nd round winner, within one game: 4 points Pick 2nd round winner, pick # of games: 6 points Pick conference champ, way off on games: 5 points Pick conference champ, within one game: 6 points Pick conference champ, pick # of games: 9 points Pick Stanley Cup champ, way off on games: 8 points Pick Stanley Cup champ, within one game: 10 points Pick Stanley Cup champ, pick # of games: 14 points Pick loser in 7, series goes 7: 2 points Pick loser in 7, series decided in Game 7, OT: 4 points (these last two are sympathy points, probably won't happen anyway) Obviously, picking the Stanley Cup champion is important. I will do some tests to see if the format is fair, but probably I will be too lazy to modify it, so the scoring will probably be like this. As for entry forms, well, this post is getting too long, so see next post. -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" ";13;1 "From: ahlenius@rtsg.mot.com (Mark Ahlenius) Subject: converting color gif to X pixmap Summary: How to convert color gif to color pixmap Keywords: gif pixmap Nntp-Posting-Host: turquoise Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 34 I have looked through the FAQ sections and have not seen a answer for this. I have an X/Motif application that I have written. I have a couple of gif files (or pict) that I have scanned in with a color scanner. Now I would like to be able to convert the gif files into a format that could be read into my application and displayed on the background of its main window. Preferably with pixmaps, or perhaps as an XImage. I have found functions in the pbmplus program suite to convert gif to xbm, but that is monochrome, and I really do need color. I have looked at xv, which reads in gif, and writes out several formats, but have not found a way to write out a file which can be read in as a pixmap. Is there an easy way to do this? email responses preferred. thanks! 'mark ahlenius@rtsg.mot.com -- =============== regards 'mark ============================================= Mark Ahlenius voice:(708)-632-5346 email: ahlenius@marble.rtsg.mot.com Motorola Inc. fax: (708)-632-2413 Arlington, Hts. IL, USA 60004 ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca Distribution: world Organization: Robert Smits Lines: 21 vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes: > drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes: > > > Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however, > > that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. > > > >Not possible either. You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for > >just the amplifier. > > It is too possible. As the original poster said ""it is very unlikely"" > but definately possible. (Can you say batteries?) I've even seen pictures of an installation where the ham pulled a little trailer behind his car with a 4KW generator, and ran the full legal limit while mobile. I don't know what his gas mileage was like, though, or where he found resonators able to stand the gaff. emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca (Robert Smits Ladysmith BC) ";-1;0 "From: horse@dead.duc.auburn.edu (John Horstman) Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr15.181531.26088 Reply-To: horse@dead.duc.auburn.edu Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: dead.duc.auburn.edu In article KKq@acsu.buffalo.edu, v128r82w@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ralph L d'Ambrosio) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca (Mathew Tasalloti) writes... >> >>If the Penguins get out of the Patrick, they will win the >>cup. However, their hardest task is to get out of that division. >>I'm sure that Washington will most definitly throw a rench into the >>Penguin plans. I'm a Canucks fan (not that I think much of their >>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY >>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup. > >I was under the impression that the Penguins has had the Caps number for >most of the season. > >> >> >> >>=============================================******>> >> >> Mathew Tasalloti >> MPR Teltech Ltd. >> Vancouver, BC, Canada >> >> <<******================================================== >******************************************************************************** >Of course no one asked me, I always interject my opinions on matters I have no >concern over. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Go Islanders, Playoffs here we come >Go Jets for '93 >******************************************************************************** And last year the Capitals had the Pens number up until about game 3 of the playoffs. John Horstmann ";-1;0 "From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: fillibuster Lines: 43 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article , mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: |>|In article |>|hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: |> |>|>The filibuster does not make sense because the senate is elected as a last |>|>gasp assembly. It is designed to be the repository of doddery old men with |>|>no power. |> |>| Phill, I don't know which Senate you're discussing, but it ain't |>|ours. |> |>Phill probably thinks that the US senate is supposed to be the equivalent |>to the UK's House of Lords. The status of the House of Lords today is quite different to its status in 1789. |>Which just goes to show that where the US is concerned Phill still has no |>idea what he is talking about. Maddison and Hamilton were both studying existing forms of government for several years before they wrote the federalist papers. That the US system is based to a considerable degree on the UK model is pretty widely accepted. At the time there was no other major country with a representative body. The French plebicite had been suppressed for 140 years and its restoration eight years later would mark the start of the French revolution. After the UK system the major influences were the Dutch system and of course the classical systems. Nobody seriously suggests that Rome or Greece were models though because the political systems of both countries were acknowleged disasters. The main lesson learnt from Greece was that unless a federal state was constructed a war would be inevitable. The Greek democracies were always fighting amongst themselves which is how Rome managed to invade. Had the federal consitution been rejected the new Roman empire in the shape of Britain would quite certainly have reabsorbed much of the colonies in due course. Moreover the states would have been at each others throats as soon as the Louisiana purchase situation arose during the Napoleonic period. Phill Hallam-Baker ";-1;0 "From: ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) Subject: Re: -= Hell =- Reply-To: Organization: HFSI Lines: 19 In article dmn@kepler.unh.edu (There's a seeker born every minute.) writes: > That would depend on what Heaven is like. If God is a King, and >an eternity in heaven consists of giving thanks and praise to the King, >I might opt for Hell. I read a lovely account of a missionary trying to But then, on the other hand, if you really loved that King more than you did yourself, and He loved you to the point of assuring you that the eternal time spent with him would be eternal ecstasy, would you really opt for that choice? > Dana -- John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com HFS, Inc. VA20 | UUCP: uunet!hfsi!ata 7900 Westpark Drive MS:601 | Voice: (703) 827-6810 McLean, VA 22102 | FAX: (703) 827-3729 ";-1;0 "From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper) Subject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU Organization: Amos Tuck School Lines: 16 Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me. In <5APR199312491648@utkvx.utk.edu> nwcs@utkvx.utk.edu (Schizophrenia means never being alone) writes: >Does anyone know how to open up the Apple Ergo-Mouse (ADB Mouse II)? Mine >lives near a cat (true, really...) and picks up her fur. From what I can tell, >it looks like Apple welded it shut. By rotating the plate around the mouse ball counter-clockwise you can open the mouse and clean it. It isn't as obvious as the Desktop Bus Mouse I but it opens quite easily once you see what has to be done. -Geoff -- geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business If you don't vote... you don't count. ";0;1 "From: pcwood@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Paul Wood) Subject: Re: Forsale: GENESIS GAMES Organization: Temple University Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Kelvin Williams (kwill@lunatix.uucp) wrote: : These games are forsale (or trade): : * Sonic Hedgehog II (two copies) : + manuals and cases .. : $25 each.. : (brand new!)_ Hello, I am interested in Sonic II but when I send to the address below I get mail bounced back with ""Host unknow"" error. : Please reply to : kwill@lunatix.UUCP : (subject: games) -- -=( Paul Wood )=- -=( pcwood@astro.ocis.temple.edu )=- ";-1;0 "From: alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine) Subject: Re: WTC bombing Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 13 tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: : : ""But Hadas might be a fictitious character invented by the two men for : billing purposes, said Mohammed Mehdi, head of the Arab-American Relations Committee."" : : Tim I would remind readers of the fact that the NY Daily News on March 5th reported the arrest of Joise Hadas. Foreign newspapers reported her release shortly afterwards. I can provide copies of the articles upon request. Alaa Zeineldine ";-1;0 "From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 1. Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 49 Here is a copy of my first update on the Randy Weaver trial. After a large response (about 15 email messages), I've decided that there is sufficient interest here on t.p.g. to warrant posting. *** file follows *** Hi Folks; As perhaps the only Boise resident on the list, I guess it kind of falls on me to keep people updated about the Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial. Yesterday marked the seating of the jury. Apparently no other legal activities occurred. The jury was selected and things start today. More interesting is what happenned outside. About a dozen Weaver supporters showed up to stage a protest outside the courthouse. One woman carried a sign that read, ""Who stands trial for the murder of Vicki and (son's name - I forget) Weaver?"" On the evening news she said, ""I am here protesting because I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion. I thought we all did."" Nice sound bite (grin)! The news reporter also interviewed some guy named ""Tim"" who refused to give his last name. Not to prejudge the guy, but he looked like a neo-nazi. He also said he expected many neo-nazis to show up throughout the trial. ""Tim"" had been handing out leaflets in support of Weaver and Harris and the news had footage of a Boise cop telling him to move along or he'd arrest. I don't know the finer points of this one. Perhaps there's a law against political activity within X feet of a courthouse or something (what happenned to the First Amendment?!?). Most ominous of all was that the local reporter filmed an agent of the Gestapo...err...ATF with a minicam FILMING THE PROTESTORS! Welcome to the world of Big Brother. Anyhow, Gerry Spence came out and asked the protestors to leave because he didn't think it would help Weaver's case any. He said he was confident that, once the evidence came out, that Weaver would be aquitted. More stuff as it comes available. Drew ";-1;0 "From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu (SCOTT D. SAUYET) writes: >In <1qabe7INNaff@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu writes: > >>> Chimpanzees fight wars over land. >> >> But chimps are almost human... >> >> keith > >Could it be? This is the last message from Mr. Schneider, and it's >more than three days old! > >Are these his final words? (And how many here would find that >appropriate?) Or is it just that finals got in the way? > No. The christians were leary of having an atheist spokesman (seems so clandestine, and all that), so they had him removed. Of course, Keith is busy explaining to his fellow captives how he isn't really being persecuted, since (after all) they *are* feeding him, and any resistance on his part would only be viewed as trouble making. I understand he did make a bit of a fuss when they tatooed ""In God We Trust"" on his forehead, though. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ";-1;0 "From: williac@govonca.gov.on.ca (Chris Williams) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Government of Ontario Lines: 71 In vlasis@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (vlasis theodore) writes: >tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes: >> In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Vel >> >This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. >> >Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to >> >throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five >> >cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly >> >a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck >> >in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she >> >made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and >> >doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live. >> > >> >What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I >> >can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but >> >20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? >> > >> >Erik velapold >> >> Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason >> is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is >> ""No Big Deal"". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort >> children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised >> when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the >> message they hear is ""Life is Cheap""! >> >> AT >Well people fortunatly or unfortunatly , >only the US is experiencing the devaluation of human life (among >developed nations). >I am an American but I was raised in Europe, where the worst thing that >can happen to somebody is get his car broken into, or have his pocket >picked by Slaves or Russian refugees. >Of cource there will be some nutcases, but thats extremely rare. >I.e. in Greece you can walk through any neighborhood at any time during >the night without even worrying. >In Germany , you can walk the sidewalks at 4.00 am and not even look >behind your back, at the sanitation crews that clean the streets to a >sparkling cleen. >Whoever of you have been there you know what I am saying. >I dont have any easy answers but if we as a nation do some selfcritisism >we might get somewhere. >Of course these postings sould be in soc.culture.US but if we reduce >crime here it 'll mean less car insurance rates ,thus we could spend >more money on modifing our cars. (Now my posting is rec.autos.tech >revelant). >Vlasis Theodore >___________________ >Software Engineer >IDB Mobile Communications. >Sig under development ... I remember this happening on the I-75 through Michigan and Ohio several years back. A group of guys in an old beater would rear end a car, usually out of state or Canadians. You stop and they smack you with a BB bat. At least they didn't kill you for the sake of a car. I think the cops put out decoys and this calmed down for a while. Vlasis, are you safe walking through Germany if you are a refugee ? ";-1;0 "From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 34 In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >>This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is >>enough to do it if the vehicle exists. >Actually, there are people who will tell you that it *would* be enough >to do SSTO development, if done privately as a cut-rate operation. Of >course, they may be over-optimistic. In spite of my great respect for the people you speak of, I think their cost estimates are a bit over-optimistic. If nothing else, a working SSTO is at least as complex as a large airliner and has a smaller experience base. It therefore seems that SSTO development should cost at least as much as a typical airliner development. That puts it in the $3G to $5G range. >You can also assume that a working SSTO would have other applications >that would help pay for its development costs. True it and the contest would result in a much larger market. But I don't think it would be enough to attract the investors given the risks involved. If you could gurantee the SSTO costs and gurantee that it captures 100% of the available launch market, then I think you could do it. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------56 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 13 In article <15407@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes: #There is a big difference between running one's business #affairs, and actively ripping people off. And charging homosexuals more becuase people think that AIDS is a ""gay disease"" is actively ripping people off. -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w ";-1;0 "From: 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: ALL-TIME PEAK PLAYERS Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's Lines: 195 Last week I posted the ALL-TIME GREATEST PLAYERS (and haphazardly misspelled several names--SORRY!) This week, it's time for the greatest PEAK players. I evaluated the following players on 4 consectutive seasons which constituted their ""prime"" or ""peak"" years. (3 was too few; 5 seemed to many--so I settled for 4). Sources, as usual, include Total Baseball 1993 and my own (biased) opinions. Here goes, feel free to comment. 1. Ted Williams (includes season after war)--missed actual peak years 2. Babe Ruth 3. Walter Johnson 4. Mickey Mantle 5. Mike Schmidt (actual peak year shortened by strike) 6. Barrry Bonds (currently at peak) 7. Honus Wagner 8. Ty Cobb 9. Tris Speaker 10. Willie Mays 11. Lefty Grove 12. Sandy Koufax 13. Joe Morgan 14. Ed Walsh 15. Christy Mathewson 16. Lou Gehrig 17. Jimmie Foxx 18. Cal Ripken Jr. 19. Pete Alexander 20. Cy Young 21. Tim Raines 22. Rickey Henderson (again, strike year '81 included) 23. Carl Yastrzemski 24. Jackie Robinson 25. Joe DiMaggio 26. Rogers Hornsby 27. George Sisler 28. Eddie Collins 29. Hank Aaron 30. Stan Musial 31. Joe Jackson 32. Wade Boggs 33. Charlie Gehringer 34. Ernie Banks 35. Bob Gibson 36. Carl Hubbell 37. Robin Yount 38. Rod Carew 39. Chuck Klein 40. Willie McCovey 41. Frank Robinson 42. Tom Seaver 43. Roger Clemens (arguably, still in peak) 44. Mel Ott 45. Frank Baker 46. Nap Lajoie (peak came in suspect league) 47. Dizzy Trout 48. George Brett 49. Mordecai Brown 50. Ryne Sandberg 1B Peak 1) Gehrig 2) Foxx 3) Sisler 4) McCovey 5) Greenberg 6) Frank Thomas (projected--sorry) 7) Dick Allen 8) Johnny Mize 9) Eddie Murray (yes, Mr.Consistency had a peak) 10) Bill Terry 2B 1) Morgan 2) J.Robinson 3) Collins 4) Hornsby 5) Gehringer 6) Carew (treated as a 2B, even though played 1B) 7) Sandberg 8) Bobby Grich 9) Nap Lajoie 10) Bill Herman, Mazeroski (tough call) 3B) 1) Schmidt 2) Boggs 3) F.Baker 4) Brett 5) Ed Mathews 6) Ron Santo 7) Harland Clift 8) Ken Boyer 9) Buddy Bell 10) Darrell Evans SS 1) Wagner 2) Ripken 3) Banks 4) Yount 5) John Lloyd (estimated) 6) Arky Vaughan 7) Barry Larkin (still in peak?) 8) Lou Boudreau 9) Ozzie Smith 10) Joe Sewell LF 1) Williams 2) Ba.Bonds 3) Raines 4) Henderson (actually had 2 peaks; 80-83 & 83-86) 5) Yastrzemski 6) Musial 7) J.Jackson 8) Ralph Kiner 9) Al Simmons 10) George Foster 11) Willie Stargell CF 1) Mantle 2) Cobb 3) Speaker 4) Mays 5) DiMaggio 6) Oscar Charleston (again, estimated) 7) Duke Snider 8) Ken Griffey Jr. (personal assumption) 9) Kirby Puckett 10) Richie Ashburn 11) Dale Murphy (strike season?) RF 1) Ruth 2) Aaron 3) Klein 4) F.Robinson 5) Ott 6) Roberto Clemente 7) Tony Gwynn 8) Dave Parker 9) Reggie Jackson 10) Harry Heilmann 11) Jose Canseco 12) Darryl Strawberry C 1) Josh Gibson (estimated) 2) Mickey Cochrane 3) Gary Carter 4) Johnny Bench 5) Roy Campanella 6) Yogi Berra 7) Bill Dickey 8) Gabby Hartnett 9) Elston Howard 10) Ted Simmons 11) Joe Torre P 1) W.Johnson 2) Grove 3) Koufax 4) Walsh 5) Mathewson 6) Alexander 7) Young 8) Gibson 9) Hubbell 10) Seaver 11) Clemens 12) Satchel Paige (estimated) 13) D.Trout 14) Juan Marichal 15) Mordecai Brown 16) Joe Wood 17) Dave Steib 18) Jim Palmer 19) Bob Lemon 20) Fergie Jenkins RP 1) Who cares? I hope there are some surprises here: Raines above Muisial? Carter above Bench? Ripken above Banks? Bonds above Mays? Check the numbers of each player in comparison to the numbers of the rest of the players that year(s), and you'll see that I'm fairly close with this ranking system (which is primarily based on Total Player Rating) for four consecutive years. Enjoy, Mike ";14;1 "From: mdouglas@netcom.com (Hokh'Ton) Subject: Re: race and violence Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Lines: 93 In <1993Apr13.212441.26562@gtx.com> al@gtx.com (Alan Filipski) writes: >Even though this city (Phoenix) has a relatively small black >population, black people seem to be responsible for a disproportionate >amount of violent crime. yesterday, black men robbed a cafeteria, beat >the employees for no apparent reason, and shot one dead, even though >they were being cooperative. a few days ago, a car full of black men >opened fire on a car containing a young white couple and their baby, >possibly because they didn't like the way the man was driving. the >baby was slightly injured. These incidents are not even unusual. >even if a white person starts out without racial prejudice (as, after >all, we all do) and no one ""teaches"" them to be prejudiced, it's >sometimes hard to see how they can avoid becoming so, based on their >own observations and instinct for self-preservation. We always taught >our children that racial prejudice is wrong (not only bad, but also >mistaken), but how do you counteract the effect of these kinds of >incidents? >what's the answer? how can we work against racial prejudice when >incidents like this keep fanning the flames? what can we say to deny >that racial prejudice is a rational response to our environment? is >it? should we? Since the 60's, I have thought the only hope is through >integration based on ignoring race and treating each person as an >individual, but so many either preach divisiveness by emphasizing race >or validate racism by their actions. where does it lead? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ( Alan Filipski, GTX Corp, 2390 E. Camelback Road, Phoenix, AZ 85016, USA ) > ( INTERNET: al@gtx.com UUCP: uunet!gtx!al PHONE: (602)224-8742 ) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Alan, you can start by teaching your children that the perpetrators of crimes no more represent the ""Black community"" than racist hateful Whites represent the majority culture (although there are many ethnic minorities who have fallen into the very trap that you are struggling with, and believe otherwise). The trap is the easy way out. For yourself, I think it would be a good idea to realize that the demographics related to the crimes you speak of have less to do with race, and much to do with socioeconomic status and disenfranchisement. You're going to find higher crime within *any* community comprised of *any* ethnic group or subgroup that has become dysfunctional, whatever the factors leading to that dysfunction. With ethnic minorities it is more usually than not, as I said, socioeconomic disenfranchisement. If, for example, you lived in an area where there were very few Blacks, but quite a few poor-for-generations Whites, you'd see the crime statistics reflecting the dysfunction of those White people. Would you then worry about whther your children would begin to see Whites as undesireable or whatever? The trap springs into action when our innate compunction to define ""us"" and ""other"" raises its little voice. The trap becomes dangerous when we stop to listen to that little voice and stop thinking like rational humans. It's interesting that Blacks are traditionally seen as *the* or the *most* criminal element in many of our urban areas. I don't know the racial makeup of Phoenix, so I can't speak to your situation. However, I live in San Francisco, a city that loves to tout its ""ethnic diversity"". Here, we have Black gangs, Hispanic gangs, Asian (yes, the ""model minority"") gangs, and even a few White gangs. The Asian gangs have become a particularly troublesome element for law enforcement here, mainly due (I think) to their propensity for engaging in organized criminal activities. But ask people on the street and they'll, 8-out-of-10 times, tell you that Black gangs and crime are what they most fear. During the ""disturbance"" in Los Angeles last year many of the rioters and looters were not Black. Some were even White! I remember being amazed at television news scenes that showed looting mobs where there were maybe one or two Blacks at most! My perceptions, gleaned from TV news, were further corroborated by numerous friends and relatives that live in Los Angeles. This may have been the country's first truly multi-ethnic riot. Yet I know from face-to-face and online discussion that in the minds of America the popular perception is that it was a *Black* riot! In closing, I'd like to say that you raise some interesting points that really need discussion. Our country has spent too long ignoring the racism (and its attendant ills) that is very much a part of our culture. As a people, we are afraid to face up to some hurtful truths, and the problem becomes compounded *daily*. We cannot afford to do it much longer. I truly believe that the well-being of ALL OF US depends on changing our current course of denial and repression. I wish you and your children, and all other people, of *all* colors, luck in avoiding the ""trap"". Peace, my brother. m. -- Hokh'Ton : The Crystal Wind is the Storm, mdouglas@netcom.com : and the Storm is Data, Michael Douglas-Llyr : and the Data is Life. : ---Player's Litany (The Long Run) ";-1;0 "From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter >how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. Nope. Here in Northern California, a newspaper recently did a survey, asking if people favored stricter gun controls. A full 40% said no. Here, in one of the most Liberal (it wasn't always a swear word :( areas of the country, nearly half the people don't want additional controls, let alone revocation of RKBA... >This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your >RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty. Misguided dolt though he may be (though, I still maintain, less dangerous than Bush), Clinton does not publicly support revoking the second amendment. >Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect >them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. >Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an >immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. Well, I'll help MY neighbors... >Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions >are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will >be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... Violent solutions are passe'? I take it you propose disarming the police, then? Please don't mention RKBA in the same breath as the KKK. RKBA is about being able to defend yourself and others, not about killing the innocent. Actually, your mention of the KKK is rather funny, considering that the first gun control law in the US were created specifically to disarm black people... don ";-1;0 "From: js1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Jiann-ming Su) Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Distribution: usa Lines: 21 In article str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader) writes: >Stay in school. You have a lot to learn. Learn what? I know that 3 million dollars is A LOT of money. I know Rickey Henderson doesn't have a career out of baseball. I know if he didn't have baseball, he wouldn't be making near the money he is now. I just don't understand how some athlete, who only plays a sport for a living for millions of dollars, say he is not being paid enough. If nobody will sign him for his asking price, he will be the one hurting. The A's will still win without him. Remeber, many of these athletes have NOTHING if not for their athletic ability. NOTHING. They are getting paid MUCH more than most hard working citizens, and they are complaining of not enough pay. I don't have a problem with them making millions. My problem is when the say they aren't being paid enough, when they already get 3 million--also, their numbers get worse. ";-1;0 "From: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) Subject: Reposting: 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules (2 of 2) Expires: 8 May 93 00:00:00 GMT Reply-To: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) Distribution: world Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco Lines: 1409 Keywords: ioccc We have received a number of requests for a reposting of the International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules and guidelines. Also some people requested that these rules be posted to a wider set of groups. Sorry for the cross posting. Some technical clarifications were made to the rules and guidelines. (See the diff marks at the right hand edge) The rules and guidelines for this year remain the same, so people who have already or are in the process of submitting entries for the 1993 IOCCC need not worry about these changes. chongo /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com Larry Bassel lab@sun.com =-= #!/bin/sh # This is part 02 of a multipart archive # ============= mkentry.c ============== echo ""x - extracting mkentry.c (Text)"" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > mkentry.c && X/* @(#)mkentry.c 1.25 4/5/93 15:58:08 */ X/* X * Copyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. X * All Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use X * is granted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its X * entirety and remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior X * permission in writing from both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. X */ X/* X * mkentry - make an International Obfuscated C Code Contest entry X * X * usage: X * mkentry -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry X * X * -r remarks file with remarks about the entry X * -b build file containing how prog.c should be built X * -p prog.c the obfuscated program source file X * -o ioccc.entry ioccc entry output file X * X * compile by: X * cc mkentry.c -o mkentry X */ X/* X * Placed in the public domain by Landon Curt Noll, 1992. X * X * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED ``AS IS'' AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED X * WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF X * MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. X */ X/* X * WARNING: X * X * This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules. Every attempt X * has been made to make sure that this program produces an entry that X * conforms to the contest rules. In all cases, where this program X * differs from the contest rules, the contest rules will be used. Be X * sure to check with the contest rules before submitting an entry. X * X * FOR MORE INFORMATION: X * X * You may contact the judges by sending Email to the following address: X * X * ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for X * judges@toad.com submitting entries) X * X * Questions and comments about the contest are welcome. X * X * The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to X * year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines X * prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address X * above and use the subject 'send rules'. X * X * One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from: X * X * host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9) X * user: anonymous X * pass: yourname@yourhost X * dir: ~/pub/ioccc X * X * As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email X * to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners', X * where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'. X * X * Because contest rules change from year to year, one should only use this X * program for the year that it was intended. Be sure that the RULE_YEAR X * define below matches this current year. X */ X X#include X#include X#include X#include X#include X X/* logic */ X#ifndef TRUE X# define TRUE 1 X#endif /* TRUE */ X#ifndef FALSE X# define FALSE 0 X#endif /* FALSE */ X#define EOF_OK TRUE X#define EOF_NOT_OK FALSE X X/* global limits */ X#define RULE_YEAR 1993 /* NOTE: should match the current year */ X#define START_DATE ""1Mar92 0:00 UTC"" /* first confirmation received */ X#define MAX_COL 79 /* max column a line should hit */ X#define MAX_BUILD_SIZE 256 /* max how to build size */ X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE 3217 /* max program source size */ X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2 1536 /* max program source size not counting X whitespace and {}; not followed by X whitespace or EOF */ X#define MAX_TITLE_LEN 12 /* max chars in the title */ X#define MAX_ENTRY_LEN 1 /* max length in the entry input line */ X#define MAX_ENTRY 8 /* max number of entries per person per year */ X#define MAX_FILE_LEN 1024 /* max filename length for a info file */ X X/* where to send entries */ X#define ENTRY_ADDR1 ""...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate"" X#define ENTRY_ADDR2 ""obfuscate@toad.com"" X X/* uuencode process - assumes ASCII */ X#define UUENCODE(c) (encode_str[(int)(c)&0xff]) X#define UUENCODE_LEN 45 /* max uuencode chunk size */ X#define UUINFO_MODE 0444 /* mode of an info file's uuencode file */ X#define UUBUILD_MODE 0444 /* mode of the build file's uuencode file */ X#define UUBUILD_NAME ""build"" /* name for the build file's uuencode file */ X#define UUPROG_MODE 0444 /* mode of the program's uuencode file */ X#define UUPROG_NAME ""prog.c"" /* name for the program's uuencode file */ X X/* encode_str[(char)val] is the uuencoded character of val */ Xchar encode_str[256+1] = ""`!\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_""; X X/* global declarations */ Xchar *program; /* our name */ Xlong start_time; /* the startup time */ X X/* forward declarations */ Xvoid parse_args(); Xvoid usage(); XFILE *open_remark(); XFILE *open_build(); XFILE *open_program(); XFILE *open_output(); Xvoid output_entry(); Xvoid output_remark(); Xvoid output_author(); Xvoid output_info(); Xvoid output_build(); Xvoid output_program(); Xvoid output_end(); Xint get_line(); Xvoid output_till_dot(); Xint col_len(); Xvoid check_io(); Xvoid uuencode(); X Xmain(argc, argv) X int argc; /* arg count */ X char **argv; /* the args */ X{ X FILE *remark=NULL; /* open remarks stream */ X FILE *build=NULL; /* open build file stream */ X FILE *prog=NULL; /* open program stream */ X FILE *output=NULL; /* open output stream */ X char *rname=NULL; /* file with remarks about the entry */ X char *bname=NULL; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */ X char *pname=NULL; /* the obfuscated program source file */ X char *oname=NULL; /* ioccc entry output file */ X struct tm *tm; /* startup time structure */ X X /* X * check on the year X */ X start_time = time((long *)0); X tm = gmtime(&start_time); X if (tm->tm_year != RULE_YEAR-1900) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: WARNING: this program applies to %d, which may differ from %d\n\n"", X argv[0], RULE_YEAR, 1900+tm->tm_year); X } X X /* X * parse the command line args X */ X parse_args(argc, argv, &rname, &bname, &pname, &oname); X X /* X * open/check the input and output files X * X * We open and truncate the output file first, in case it is the same X * as one of the input files. X */ X output = open_output(oname); X remark = open_remark(rname); X build = open_build(bname); X prog = open_program(pname); X if (output==NULL || remark==NULL || build==NULL || prog==NULL) { X exit(1); X } X X /* X * output each section X */ X output_entry(output, oname); X output_remark(output, oname, remark, rname); X output_author(output, oname); X output_info(output, oname); X output_build(output, oname, build, bname); X output_program(output, oname, prog, pname); X output_end(output, oname); X X /* X * flush the output X */ X if (fflush(output) == EOF) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: flush error in %s: "", program, oname); X perror(""""); X exit(2); X } X X /* X * final words X */ X printf(""\nYour entry can be found in %s. You should check this file\n"", X oname); X printf(""correct any problems and verify that the uudecode utility will\n""); X printf(""correctly decode your build file and program.\n\n""); X printf(""This program has been provided as a guide for submitters. In\n""); X printf(""cases where it conflicts with the rules, the rules shall apply.\n""); X printf(""It is your responsibility to ensure that your entry conforms to\n""); X printf(""the current rules.\n\n""); X printf(""Email your entries to:\n""); X printf(""\t%s\n"", ENTRY_ADDR1); X printf(""\t%s\n\n"", ENTRY_ADDR2); X printf(""Please use the following subject when you Email your entry:\n""); X printf(""\tioccc entry\n\n""); X /* all done */ X exit(0); X} X X/* X * parse_args - parse the command line args X * X * Given the command line args, this function parses them and sets the X * required name flags. This function will return only if the command X * line syntax is correct. X */ Xvoid Xparse_args(argc, argv, rname, bname, pname, oname) X int argc; /* arg count */ X char **argv; /* the args */ X char **rname; /* file with remarks about the entry */ X char **bname; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */ X char **pname; /* the obfuscated program source file */ X char **oname; /* ioccc entry output file */ X{ X char *optarg; /* -flag option operand */ X int flagname; /* the name of the -flag */ X int i; X X /* X * Not everyone has getopt, so we must parse args by hand. X */ X program = argv[0]; X for (i=1; i < argc; ++i) { X X /* determine the flagname */ X if (argv[i][0] != '-') { X usage(1); X /*NOTREACHED*/ X } X flagname = (int)argv[i][1]; X X /* determine the flag's operand */ X if (flagname != '\0' && argv[i][2] != '\0') { X optarg = &argv[i][2]; X } else { X if (i+1 >= argc) { X usage(2); X /*NOTREACHED*/ X } else { X optarg = argv[++i]; X } X } X X /* save the flag's operand in the correct global variable */ X switch (flagname) { X case 'r': X *rname = optarg; X break; X case 'b': X *bname = optarg; X break; X case 'p': X *pname = optarg; X break; X case 'o': X *oname = optarg; X break; X default: X usage(3); X /*NOTREACHED*/ X } X } X X /* X * verify that we have all of the required flags X */ X if (*rname == NULL || *bname == NULL || *pname == NULL || *oname == NULL) { X usage(4); X /*NOTREACHED*/ X } X return; X} X X/* X * usage - print a usage message and exit X * X * This function does not return. X */ Xvoid Xusage(exitval) X int exitval; /* exit with this value */ X{ X fprintf(stderr, X ""usage: %s -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry\n\n"", program); X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-r remarks\tfile with remarks about the entry\n""); X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-b build\tfile containing how prog.c should be built\n""); X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-p prog.c\tthe obfuscated program source file\n""); X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-o ioccc.entry\tioccc entry output file\n""); X exit(exitval); X} X X/* X * open_remark - open/check the remark file X * X * The remark file should be indented by 4 spaces, and should not extend X * beyond column MAX_COL. These are not requirements, so we only warn. X * X * This function returns NULL on I/O or format error. X */ XFILE * Xopen_remark(filename) X char *filename; X{ X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */ X int toolong=0; /* number of lines that are too long */ X int non_indent=0; /* number of lines not indented by 4 spaces */ X X /* X * open the remark input file X */ X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); X if (stream == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open remark file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X return(NULL); X } X X /* X * look at each line X */ X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, stream) != NULL) { X X /* count lines that do not start with 4 spaces */ X if (buf[0] != '\n' && strncmp(buf, "" "", 4) != 0) { X ++non_indent; X } X X /* count long lines */ X if (col_len(buf) > MAX_COL) { X /* found a line that is too long */ X ++toolong; X } X } X X /* watch for I/O errors */ X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK); X X /* note long lines if needed */ X if (toolong > 0) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s extend beyond the 80th column\n"", X program, toolong, filename); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n"", X program); X } X X /* note non-indented lines, if needed */ X if (non_indent > 0) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s are not indented by 4 spaces\n"", X program, non_indent, filename); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n"", X program); X } X X /* return the open file */ X rewind(stream); X return(stream); X} X X/* X * open_build - open/check the build file X * X * The how to build file must not be longer than MAX_BUILD_SIZE bytes. X * X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error. X */ XFILE * Xopen_build(filename) X char *filename; X{ X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */ X X /* X * open the how to build input file X */ X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); X if (stream == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open how to build file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X return(NULL); X } X X /* X * determine the size of the file X */ X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot stat how to build file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X return(NULL); X } X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_BUILD_SIZE) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: FATAL: the how to build file: %s, is %d bytes long\n"", X program, filename, statbuf.st_size); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n"", X program, MAX_BUILD_SIZE); X return(NULL); X } X X /* return the open file */ X return(stream); X} X X/* X * open_program - open/check the program source file X * X * The program source file must be <= 3217 bytes. The number of X * non-whitespace and }{; chars not followed by whitespace must X * be <= 1536 bytes. X * X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error. X */ XFILE * Xopen_program(filename) X char *filename; X{ X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */ X int count; /* special count size */ X int c; /* the character read */ X X /* X * open the program source input file X */ X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); X if (stream == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open program source file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X exit(7); X } X X /* X * determine the size of the file X */ X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot stat program source file: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X return(NULL); X } X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: FATAL: the program source file: %s, is %d bytes long\n"", X program, filename, statbuf.st_size); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n"", X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE); X return(NULL); X } X X /* X * count the non-whitespace, non {}; followed by whitespace chars X */ X count = 0; X c = 0; X while ((c=fgetc(stream)) != EOF) { X /* look at non-whitespace */ X if (!isascii(c) || !isspace(c)) { X switch (c) { X case '{': /* count if not followed by EOF or whitespace */ X case '}': X case ';': X /* peek at next char */ X c = fgetc(stream); X if (c != EOF && isascii(c) && !isspace(c)) { X /* not followed by whitespace or EOF, count it */ X ungetc(c, stream); X ++count; X } X break; X default: X ++count; X break; X } X } X } X X /* watch for I/O errors */ X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK); X X /* look at the special size */ X if (count > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2) { X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: FATAL: the number of bytes that are non-whitespace, and\n"", X program); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: that are not '{', '}', ';' followed by whitespace\n"", X program); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: or EOF must be <= %d bytes\n"", X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2); X fprintf(stderr, X ""%s: in %s, %d bytes were found\n"", X program, filename, count); X return(NULL); X } X X /* return the open file */ X rewind(stream); X return(stream); X} X X/* X * open_output - open/check the entry output file X * X * This function returns NULL on open error. X */ XFILE * Xopen_output(filename) X char *filename; X{ X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ X X /* X * open the ioccc entry output file X */ X stream = fopen(filename, ""w""); X if (stream == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open ioccc entry file for output: %s: "", X program, filename); X perror(""""); X exit(8); X } X X /* return the open file */ X return(stream); X} X X/* X * output_entry - output the ---entry--- section X * X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_entry(output, oname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X{ X char title[MAX_TITLE_LEN+1+1]; /* the entry's title */ X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */ X int entry=0; /* entry number */ X int ret; /* fields processed by fscanf */ X int ok_line=0; /* 0 => the line is not ok */ X char skip; /* input to skip */ X FILE *date_pipe; /* pipe to a date command */ X time_t epoch_sec; /* seconds since the epoch */ X char *p; X X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---entry---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * write the rule year X */ X fprintf(output, ""rule:\t%d\n"", RULE_YEAR); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* determine if this is a fix */ X printf(""Is this a fix, update or resubmittion to a ""); X printf(""previous entry (enter y or n)? ""); X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X if (buf[0] == 'y') { X fprintf(output, ""fix:\ty\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X printf(""\nBe sure that the title and entry number that you give\n""); X printf(""are the same of as the entry you are replacing\n""); X } else { X fprintf(output, ""fix:\tn\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X X /* X * write the title X */ X printf(""\nYour title must match expression be a [a-zA-Z0-9_=] character\n""); X printf(""followed by 0 to %d more [a-zA-Z0-9_=+-] characters.\n\n"", X MAX_TITLE_LEN-1); X printf(""It is suggested, but not required, that the title should\n""); X printf(""incorporate your username; in the\n""); X printf(""case of multiple authors, consider using parts of the usernames\n""); X printf(""of the authors.\n\n""); X printf(""enter your title: ""); X do { X /* prompt and read a line */ X if ((ok_line = get_line(title, MAX_TITLE_LEN+1, MAX_COL-9)) <= 0) { X printf(""\ntitle is too long, please re-enter: ""); X continue; X } X X /* verify the pattern, not everyone has regexp, so do it by hand */ X if (!isascii((int)title[0]) || X !(isalnum((int)title[0]) || title[0] == '_' || title[0] == '=')) { X printf(""\ninvalid first character in the title\n\n""); X printf(""enter your title: ""); X ok_line = 0; X } else { X for (p=(&title[1]); *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) { X if (!isascii((int)*p) || X !(isalnum((int)*p) || X *p == '_' || *p == '=' || *p == '+' || *p == '-')) { X printf(""\ninvalid character in the title\n\n""); X printf(""enter your title: ""); X ok_line = 0; X } X } X } X } while (ok_line <= 0); X fprintf(output, ""title:\t%s"", title); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * write the entry number X */ X printf(""\nEach person may submit up to %d entries per year.\n\n"", X MAX_ENTRY); X printf(""enter an entry number from 0 to %d inclusive: "", MAX_ENTRY-1); X do { X /* get a valid input line */ X fflush(stdout); X ret = fscanf(stdin, ""%d[\n]"", &entry); X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); X /* skip over input until newline is found */ X do { X skip = fgetc(stdin); X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); X if (skip != '\n') { X /* bad text in input, invalidate entry number */ X entry = -1; X } X } while (skip != '\n'); X X /* check if we have a number, and if it is in range */ X if (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1) { X printf( X ""\nThe entry number must be between 0 and %d inclusive\n\n"", X MAX_ENTRY-1); X printf(""enter the entry number: ""); X } X } while (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1); X fprintf(output, ""entry:\t%d\n"", entry); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * write the submission date X */ X /* returns a newline */ X epoch_sec = time(NULL); X fprintf(output, ""date:\t%s"", asctime(gmtime(&epoch_sec))); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * write the OS/machine host information X */ X printf( X ""\nEnter the machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested.\n""); X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""host:""); X} X X/* X * output_remark - output the ---remark--- section X * X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_remark(output, oname, remark, rname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X FILE *remark; /* stream to the file containing remark text */ X char *rname; /* name of the remark file */ X{ X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input/output buffer */ X X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---remark---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * copy the remark file to the section X */ X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, remark) != NULL) { X fputs(buf, output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X check_io(remark, rname, EOF_OK); X X /* be sure that the remark section ends with a newline */ X if (buf[strlen(buf)-1] != '\n') { X fputc('\n', output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X} X X/* X * output_author - output the ---author--- section X * X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the author section. X * If multiple authors exist, multiple author sections will be written. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_author(output, oname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X{ X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */ X int more_auths; /* TRUE => more authors to note */ X int auth_cnt=0; /* number of authors processed */ X X /* X * prompt the user for the author section X */ X printf(""\nEnter information about each author. If your entry is after\n""); X printf(""%s and before the contest deadline, the judges\n"", START_DATE); X printf(""will attempt to Email back a confirmation to the first author\n""); X X /* X * place author information for each author in an individual section X */ X do { X X /* write the start of the section */ X fprintf(output, ""---author---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* write the author */ X printf(""\nAuthor #%d name: "", ++auth_cnt); X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { X printf(""\nname too long, please re-enter: ""); X } X fprintf(output, ""name:\t%s"", buf); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* write the organization */ X printf(""\nEnter the School/Company/Organization of author #%d\n"", X auth_cnt); X printf(""\nAuthor #%d org: "", auth_cnt); X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { X printf(""\nline too long, please re-enter: ""); X } X fprintf(output, ""org:\t%s"", buf); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* write the address */ X printf( X ""\nEnter the postal address for author #%d. Be sure to include\n"", X auth_cnt); X printf(""your country and do not include your name.\n""); X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""addr:""); X X /* write the Email address */ X printf( X ""\nEnter the Email address for author #%d. Use an address from\n"", X auth_cnt); X printf( X ""a registered domain or well known site. If you give several\n""); X printf(""forms, list them one per line.\n""); X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""email:""); X X /* write the anonymous status */ X printf(""\nShould author #%d remain anonymous (enter y or n)? "", X auth_cnt); X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X fprintf(output, ""anon:\t%s"", buf); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* determine if there is another author */ X printf(""\nIs there another author (enter y or n)? ""); X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X if (buf[0] == 'y') { X more_auths = TRUE; X } else { X more_auths = FALSE; X } X } while (more_auths == TRUE); X return; X} X X/* X * output_info - output the ---info--- section(s) X * X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the info section. X * If multiple info files exist, multiple info sections will be written. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_info(output, oname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X{ X char infoname[MAX_FILE_LEN+1]; /* filename buffer */ X char yorn[1+1]; /* y or n answer */ X char *uuname; /* name to uuencode as */ X FILE *infile; /* info file stream */ X X /* X * prompt the user for info information X */ X printf(""\nInfo files should be used only to supplement your entry.\n""); X printf(""For example, info files may provide sample input or detailed\n""); X printf(""information about your entry. Because they are supplemental,\n""); X printf(""the entry should not require them to exist.\n\n""); X X /* X * while there is another info file to save, uuencode it X */ X printf(""Do you have a info file to include (enter y or n)? ""); X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X while (yorn[0] == 'y') { X X /* read the filename */ X printf(""\nEnter the info filename: ""); X while (get_line(infoname, MAX_FILE_LEN+1, 0) <= 0) { X printf(""\nInfo filename too long, please re-enter: ""); X } X X /* compute the basename of the info filename */ X /* remove the trailing newline */ X uuname = &infoname[strlen(infoname)-1]; X *uuname = '\0'; X /* avoid rindex/shrrchr compat issues, do it by hand */ X for (--uuname; uuname > infoname; --uuname) { X if (*uuname == '/') { X ++uuname; X break; X } X } X X /* attempt to open the info file */ X infile = fopen(infoname, ""r""); X if (infile == NULL) { X fprintf(stderr, ""\n%s: cannot open info file: %s: "", X program, infoname); X perror(""""); X continue; X } X X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---info---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* uuencode the info file */ X uuencode(output, oname, infile, infoname, UUINFO_MODE, uuname); X X printf(""\nDo you have another info file to include (enter y or n)? ""); X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) { X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); X } X }; X return; X} X X/* X * output_build - output the ---build--- section X * X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the build section. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_build(output, oname, build, bname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X FILE *build; /* open build file stream */ X char *bname; /* name of the build file */ X{ X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---build---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * uuencode the program file X */ X uuencode(output, oname, build, bname, UUBUILD_MODE, UUBUILD_NAME); X return; X} X X/* X * output_program - output the ---program--- section X * X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the program section. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_program(output, oname, prog, pname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X FILE *prog; /* open program stream */ X char *pname; /* name of program file */ X{ X /* X * write the start of the section X */ X fprintf(output, ""---program---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * uuencode the program file X */ X uuencode(output, oname, prog, pname, UUPROG_MODE, UUPROG_NAME); X return; X} X X/* X * output_end - output the ---end--- section X * X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the 'end section'. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_end(output, oname) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X{ X /* X * write the final section terminator X */ X fprintf(output, ""---end---\n""); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X return; X} X X/* X * get_line - get an answer from stdin X * X * This function will flush stdout, in case a prompt is pending, and X * read in the answer. X * X * This function returns 0 if the line is too long, of the length of the X * line (including the newline) of the line was ok. This function does X * not return if ERROR or EOF. X */ Xint Xget_line(buf, siz, maxcol) X char *buf; /* input buffer */ X int siz; /* length of input, including the newline */ X int maxcol; /* max col allowed, 0 => disable check */ X{ X int length; /* the length of the input line */ X X /* flush terminal output */ X fflush(stdout); X X /* read the line */ X if (fgets(buf, siz+1, stdin) == NULL) { X /* report the problem */ X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); X } X X /* look for the newline */ X length = strlen(buf); X if (buf[length-1] != '\n') { X int eatchar; /* the char being eaten */ X X /* no newline found, line must be too long, eat the rest of the line */ X do { X eatchar = fgetc(stdin); X } while (eatchar != EOF && eatchar != '\n'); X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* report the situation */ X return 0; X } X X /* watch for long lines, if needed */ X if (maxcol > 0 && (length > maxcol || col_len(buf) > maxcol)) { X /* report the situation */ X return 0; X } X X /* return length */ X return length; X} X X/* X * output_till_dot - output a set of lines until '.' by itself is read X * X * This routine will read a set of lines until (but not including) X * a single line with '.' is read. The format of the output is: X * X * leader:\tfirst line X * \tnext line X * \tnext line X * ... X * X * This routine will not return if I/O error or EOF. X */ Xvoid Xoutput_till_dot(output, oname, leader) X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ X char *leader; /* the lead text for the first line */ X{ X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */ X int count; /* lines read */ X int done=FALSE; /* TRUE => finished reading input */ X X /* instruct the user on how to input */ X printf(""\nTo end input, enter a line with a single period.\n""); X X /* read lines until '.' or EOF */ X count = 0; X while (!done) { X /* issue the prompt */ X printf(""%s\t"", (count>0) ? """" : leader); X fflush(stdout); X X /* get the line */ X if (get_line(buf, BUFSIZ, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { X printf(""\nline too long, please re-enter:\n\t""); X continue; X } X X /* note if '.' was read */ X if (strcmp(buf, "".\n"") == 0) { X done = TRUE; X } X X /* write line if we read something */ X if (!done) { X fprintf(output, ""%s\t%s"", (count++>0) ? """" : leader, buf); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X } X X /* if no lines read, at least output something */ X if (count <= 0) { X fprintf(output, ""%s\t.\n"", leader); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X return; X} X X/* X * col_len - determine the highest that a string would reach X * X * Given a string, this routine returns that a string would reach X * if the string were printed at column 1. Tab stops are assumed X * to start at 9, 17, 25, 33, ... X */ Xint Xcol_len(string) X char *string; /* the string to examine */ X{ X int col; /* current column */ X char *p; /* current char */ X X /* scan the string */ X for (col=0, p=string; *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) { X /* note the column shift */ X col = (*p=='\t') ? 1+((col+8)/8*8) : col+1; X } X if (*p == '\n') { X --col; X } X X /* return the highest column */ X return col; X} X X/* X * check_io - check for EOF or I/O error on a stream X * X * Does not return if EOF or I/O error. X */ Xvoid Xcheck_io(stream, name, eof_ok) X FILE *stream; /* the stream to check */ X char *name; /* the name of this stream */ X int eof_ok; /* EOF_OK or EOF_NOT_OK */ X{ X /* test for I/O error */ X if (ferror(stream)) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: error on %s: "", program, name); X perror(""""); X exit(1); X X /* test for EOF */ X } else if (eof_ok == EOF_NOT_OK && feof(stream)) { X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: EOF on %s\n"", program, name); X exit(1); X } X return; X} X X/* X * uuencode - uuencode a file X * X * Perform the uuencoding process identical to the process performed X * by the uuencode(1) utility. X * X * This routine implements the algorithm described in the uuencode(5) X * 4.3BSD Reno man page. X */ Xvoid Xuuencode(output, oname, infile, iname, umode, uname) X FILE *output; /* output file stream */ X char *oname; /* output filename */ X FILE *infile; /* input file stream */ X char *iname; /* input filename */ X int umode; /* the mode to put on the uuencode file */ X char *uname; /* name to put on the uuencode file */ X{ X char buf[UUENCODE_LEN+1]; /* the uuencode buffer */ X int read_len; /* actual number of chars read */ X int val; /* 6 bit chunk from buf */ X char filler='\0'; /* filler uuencode pad text */ X char *p; X X /* X * output the initial uuencode header X */ X fprintf(output, ""begin %o %s\n"", umode, uname); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * clear out the input buffer X */ X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) { X *p = '\0'; X } X X /* X * We will process UUENCODE_LEN chars at a time, forming X * a single output line each time. X */ X while ((read_len=fread(buf,sizeof(buf[0]),UUENCODE_LEN,infile)) > 0) { X X /* X * the first character is the length character X */ X fputc(UUENCODE(read_len), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * We will convert 24 bits at a time. Thus we will convert X * 3 sets of 8 bits into 4 sets of uuencoded 6 bits. X */ X for (p=buf; read_len>0; read_len-=3, p+=3) { X X /* bits 0 to 5 */ X val = (p[0]>>2)&0x3f; X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* bits 6 to 11 */ X val = ((p[0]<<4)&0x30) | ((p[1]>>4)&0x0f); X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* bits 12 to 17 */ X val = ((p[1]<<2)&0x3c) | ((p[2]>>6)&0x03); X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* bits 18 to 23 */ X val = p[2]&0x3f; X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X } X X /* end of UUENCODE_LEN line */ X fputc('\n', output); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X X /* X * clear out the input buffer (don't depend on bzero() or memset()) X */ X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) { X *p = '\0'; X } X } X X /* check the last read on the input file */ X check_io(infile, iname, EOF_OK); X X /* write end of uuencode file */ X fprintf(output, ""%c\nend\n"", UUENCODE(filler)); X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); X} SHAR_EOF chmod 0444 mkentry.c || echo ""restore of mkentry.c failed"" set `wc -c mkentry.c`;Wc_c=$1 if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""34482""; then echo original size 34482, current size $Wc_c fi # ============= obfuscate.info ============== echo ""x - extracting obfuscate.info (Text)"" sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > obfuscate.info && X1993 Obfuscated contest information X XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. 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X * To prove that humans can beat those damnable machine generators at X their own game by writing the most obscure and mysterious PostScript X programs ever. X X Winners will receive the fame and attention that goes with having their X program entry posted as a winner to programmers world-wide. X X The 1993 contest rules and results are available by ftp as X ``wilma.cs.brown.edu:pub/postscript/obfuscated*.shar'', or individually X in the obfuscated directory. The judges will post the 1994 rules X in November to comp.lang.postscript on Usenet, and other places. X Send questions to jgm@cs.brown.edu. X X Categories include: Best Obfuscated PostScript, Best Artwork, X Most Compact, Best Interactive Program, Most Useful, and X anything so unusual and creative that it deserves an award. X X The judges will choose the winners of each category. X X Alena Lacova is a system administrator at NIKHEF (Institute for High X Energy and Nuclear Physics) in the Netherlands. She is the author of X The PostScript Chaos Programs, which draw Julia sets, Mandelbrot sets X and other kinds of fractal functions. X X Jonathan Monsarrat is a graduate student from MIT and Brown University X in the U.S.A. He is the FAQ maintainer for the Usenet newsgroup X comp.lang.postscript and the author of The PostScript Zone and LameTeX. X . X SHAR_EOF chmod 0444 obfuscate.info || echo ""restore of obfuscate.info failed"" set `wc -c obfuscate.info`;Wc_c=$1 if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""6418""; then echo original size 6418, current size $Wc_c fi exit 0 -- Sunnyvale residents: Vote Landon Noll for Sunnyvale City Council seat 1. ";-1;0 "From: Peter Hansen Subject: Re: Help: 2 internal HDs in Mac II? X-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 11:16:56 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm382 Organization: BNR X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 54 In article <1993Apr1.054820.3942@siemens.co.at> Kurt Netzer, kurt@siemens.co.at writes: >Is it possible to install a 2nd 3 1/2"" 100 MB HD in a Mac II with a >5 1/4"" 40 MB Qunatum HD? >Can i us a 50 pin cable with 3 connectors for the internal motherboard >SCSI-Connector and the 2 SCSI-HD Connectors. The first HD is'nt terminated >the second will be. >Whats about the power supply. Where can i connect a 3 1/2"" AMP-Connector >to supply my 3 1/2"" HD? It is very possible to connect another internal hard disk in any macintosh if you can find the space to put it. I have a IIsi that came with a Quantum 80 meg drive. When I ran into space problems, I slapped in another 40 meg quantum that I had sitting on a shelf. Here is what I did. First off, I was concerned about space. Since both drives are Quantum quarter height drives, I finally decided that the logical place for them was stacked one upon the other. Fine, they fit snugly. (I have not had a problem with heat yet, and these drives have been running together for over two months. The next problem was connecting the drive. If you have a spare internal hard disk power cable as I did, then half of your troubles are over. just splice in the extra cable so that you get one square motherboard connector and two hard disk power connectors. If you don't have a spare cable, you will have to buy the wires and connectors which can be found in any good electronics store for about $10. I would suggest properly soldering/heatshrinking the connections to reduce the possibility of shorts or bad connections. Next, you need a ribbon cable connection. Again, I had a spare hard disk ribbon cable, and I wanted to be careful in case this didn't word so what I did was purchase a crimp on 50 pin cable connector that gave me another male connector in the middle of my spare cable. The part cost $10 again, and is easily attached with any good wood vice. The theory behind using a crimp on connector is that if this doesn't work, my original cable is not damaged, and I can go back to the original setup. Having done all that, I couldn't be bothered to check the dev notes for power consumption so I plugged it in and it works like a charm to this day. In a mac II, everything should work the same. Be careful with the ID's of the drive, and ensure that the terminating resistors on both drives are intact. I did not try this without the terminating resistors but it seemed logical that if I am splitting the SCSI chain, that the signal should be terminated at all the ends. Let me know if you have any more questions. Peter Hansen Bell Northern Research pgmoffc@BNR.ca ";-1;0 "From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Nntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 67 In article kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) writes: >ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes: > >>I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Fifth >>also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating? >[From Mike Godwin , posted with permission - Carl] >No, but they could compell you to produce the key to a safe where, as it >happens, evidence that will convict you is stored. > >The crypto-key disclosure issue hasn't come up yet, but current law >suggests that it's a loser for the defendant--he'll be compelled to turn >over the key. > >The test for compelled self-incrimination is whether the material to >be disclosed *in itself* tends to inculpate the discloser. In the example >I gave above, the safe key itself has no testimonial value--ergo, it can >be disclosed under compulsion (e.g., subpoena duces tecum). >Moreover, the government can always immunize the disclosure of a crypto >key--compelling you to disclose the key at the price of not using the fact >of your disclosure as evidence in the case against you. Of course, they >can use whatever they discover as a result of this disclosure against >you. >--Mike Lets carry this one step further. Suppose the text of the key is in itself conclusive evidence of the SAME CRIME for which the encrypted material is further evidence. I find myself envisaging a scenario like this: You have made some scans of Peanuts strips. You encrypt them. The key is a phrase. The Comic Police haul you in. They seize your system. They find the encrypted file. CP: ""Whats that file?"" You: ""I take the fifth."" CP: ""What's the keyphrase to that file?"" You: ""I take the fifth."" Judge: ""You have to reveal the keyphrase"" [I disagree, but I'm not a judge.] You: ""Your Honor, revealing the keyphrase, in it's own right, would tend to incriminate me of breaking laws, independent of what may or may not be in the encrypted file."" Judge: ""I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key itself"" You: ""The keyphrase is: ""I confess to deliberately evading copyright; the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of copyrighted Peanuts strips."""" Judge and CP: ""Oh."" How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal? Peter Trei ptrei@mitre.org ";-1;0 "From: ph12hucg@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (Carsten Grammes) Subject: **** WANNA SEX !!! **** Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes,Rechenzentrum Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de Hello, you're not quite sure if that's a joke or not? Anyway you read the article! --> You're right!!! (1. The header (only this) IS a joke, 2. it's worth reading) Perhaps some of you know my regular 'List of IDE Harddisk specs' where I give all available information about IDE Harddrives. I am strongly interested in contacting the manufacturers directly. But I have no money for overseas calls, so I need HARDDISK MANUFACTURER's EMAIL ADDRESSES Please help if you can! Carsten. ********************************************************************* Carsten Grammes Internet: ph12hucg@rz.uni-sb.de Experimental Physics Voicenet: 49-681-302-3032 Universitaet Saarbruecken Faxnet : 49-681-302-4316 6600 Saarbruecken Germany ********************************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: howardy@freud.nia.nih.gov (Howard Wai-Chun Yeung) Subject: need shading program example in X Organization: (Natl. Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD) Distribution: na Lines: 9 Do anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain? I need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program. Appreciate the help. Howard. ";-1;0 "From: nave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Joe Nave) Subject: C=64 SYSTEM FOR SALE - MAKE OFFER... Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Distribution: usa Lines: 24 FOR SALE: *** COMPLETE PACKAGE ONLY *** (1) COMMODORE C64 COMPUTER LIKE NEW IN THE BOX WITH POWER SUPPLY AND OWNERS MANUALS (2) COMMODORE 1541C DISK DRIVE LIKE NEW IN THE BOX - AND OWNERS MANUAL (3) COMMODORE 1702 COLOR MONITOR LIKE NEW AND OWNERS MANUAL (4) PANASONIC KXP-1091 DOT MATRIX PRINTER LIKE NEW AND OWNERS MANUAL (5) PRINTER INTERFACE FOR PANASONIC PRINTER (6) FASTLOAD CARTRIDGE (7) HUGE STACK OF BOOKS ON C-64/1541 PROGRAMMING MAKE A REASONABLE OFFER AND I'LL THROW IN 300+ DISKS OF SOFTWARE... Please reply in e-mail. -- Joachim Nave nave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, California DISCLAIMER: No, I don't speak for JPL! ";-1;0 "From: abou@dam.cee.clarkson.edu Subject: Re: computer books for sale (UPDATED LIST) Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.013433.16103 Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 76 Nntp-Posting-Host: dam.cee.clarkson.edu UPDATED LIST Hi everybody I have the following books for sale. Some of these books are brand new. If you find any book you like and need more information about it, please feel free to send me an E-Mail. The buyers pays the shipping fees. Thanks. abou@sun.soe.clarkson.edu ======================================================================== TITLE : Windows Programming: An Introduction AUTHOR : William H. Murray, III & Chris H. 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It has - 25 Mhz Intel 386 - 52 MB Hard Disk - Super Color VGA Monitor - 2-button mouse - 1.44 MG floppy disk drive Software: ------------ - Microsoft Dos 5.0 - Microsoft Windows 3.1 - Microsoft Works for Windows 2.0 - Borland Turbo Pascal 6.0 - Borland Turbo C++ 3.0 for Dos I'm asking $1499 for the system. Send me E-mail if interested. ";-1;0 "From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: The nonexistance of Atheists?! In-Reply-To: <1993Apr15.192037.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 26 >DATE: 15 Apr 93 19:20:37 EDT >FROM: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu > >In article , bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >> >> [s.c.a quotes deleted] >> >> It really looks like these people have no idea at all of what it means >> to be atheist. There are more Bobby Mozumder clones in the world than >> I thought... > >Well, that explains some things; I posted on soc.religion.islam >with an attached quote by Bobby to the effect that all atheists >are lying evil scum, and asked if it was a commonly-held idea >among muslims. I got no response. Asking about the unknown, >I guess... You should have tried one of the soc.culture groups in the Middle East or South Asia area (they are a little more open than the Islam channel). I think someone defined atheists as polytheists cuz they say we think the world created itself (or something like that) so each particle is a God which created the other Gods. The soc.culture.african is also nice for some contrasting viewpoints on the benevolence of religion. Especially when Sudan is mentioned. ";-1;0 "From: st1rp@rosie.uh.edu (Schwam, David S.) Subject: Re: ASTROS FOR REAL? Organization: University of Houston Lines: 51 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) writes... >In article <1993Apr15.234838.4138@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_millerwl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: >>WHO THINKS THE ASTROS ARE GOING PLACES??? >>THEY'RE CURRENTLY FIRST PLACE. >>THEY'RE 5-4, 5-1 ON THE ROAD! > >I AGREE, LUMBERJACK (except that they're in 2nd)! They ARE going PLACES - >San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Miami, >Philadelphia, New York, Montreal, Pittsburgh, Chicago, St. Louis...and >points in between. :-) > >But, >THEY'RE 0-3 AT HOME! But, THEY FACED THE PHILLIES -- A TEAM THAT GOT OFF TO AN 8-1 START. > >I'm just not used to an overly enthusiastic Houston fan. I really shouldn't >discourage it, so HANG IN THERE, LUMBERJACK! (But, get ahold of that shift >key, will ya?) > >ObBase: Apparently the new owner (Drayton McLain (sp?)) doesn't particularly >like excuses. An item in our paper (the Austin American-Statesman - ""If you >read it here, it was somewhere else first"") said that he wouldn't take >injuries as an excuse for losing because that possibility should have been >accounted for. Uh, oh. I don't want an owner that'll keep everybody on >edge - I'd never gotten that feeling about him, but who knows? Does To be honest, I think the city of Houston loves the new owner. He has brought baseball back to Houston with key acquisitions -- players that were from the Houston area and wanted to play for the Astros. I don't think that too many people are fearful that McLane will meddle in the team as he has already admitted that he doesn't know a whole lot about baseball. McLane is a businessman, and doesn't like excuses. He makes a valid point that injuries shouldn't be an excuse to this club. Look at the depth of the bench this season.. Canadele can play 7 positions; Bass and James are solid outfielders and can hit well too; Uribe is nice to have as well.. The pitching staff has 6 legitimate starters. We're dealing with a young Houston team, so injuries shouldn't play a big role. The only threat is the bullpen -- if Jonesy goes out, we may be in trouble but with the type of starters we have this season, there is less pressure on the pen. --- --- --- --- --- --- David S. Schwam University of Houston st1rp@jetson.uh.edu --- --- --- --- --- --- ";14;1 "From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic Organization: sgi Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <66486@mimsy.umd.edu>, mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: |> Jeff West writes: |> |> >You claimed that people that took the time to translate the bible would |> >also take the time to get it right. But here in less than a couple |> >generations you've been given ample proof (agreed to by yourself above) |> >that the ""new"" versions ""tends to be out of step with other modern |> >translations."" |> |> What I said was that people took time to *copy* *the* *text* correctly. |> Translations present completely different issues. So why do I read in the papers that the Qumram texts had ""different versions"" of some OT texts. Did I misunderstand? jon. ";-1;0 "From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com Subject: ""Ex-Gay""? (was: HOMOSEXUALITY Fact & Fiction) Lines: 152 Return-Path: Tony- While I honestly believe you believe you are doing a ""good thing"" by posting that piece of propaganda, I believe the more people believe that the more they will feel justified in their blatant persecution of gay oriented people. I have seen the film called ""The Gay Agenda"" and along with my church we found it to be horrifying. Not because of what was actually shown (cleaver use of editting can create any image one wants to portray), rather becaseu we are familia familiar with how widely it was actively distributed and how many naive people are actually believing the garbage found within it. The truth is that neither you nor I can fully speak for anyone who calls themself gay, but knowing as many as I do and knowing their testimonies and witnessing thier faith and life I have to say that the report you posted is a very biased report, something obviously claimed against gays as well. The truth is that unless YOU are innately gay you cannot know what harm you are causing. I speak as an abolitionist who supports affirming gay rights in our society. I do not support wild sex or any other misrepresentations perpetrated by Christian Fundamentalist extremists, but I know people who are not the sexual deviants your report paints them to be. It is no mistake that the APA removed homosexuality from it's list of mental illnesses, it is also no mistake that there are many Christians and homophobes who long to bring it back to the list. I do not feel threatened by gays, I don't understand why others are. The following is an article concerning two of the more popular ex-gay min- istries: Exodus International & Homosexuals Anonymous. THE FOUNDER OF AN ""EX-GAY"" SUPPORT GROUP CHOOSES HOMO OVER HETERO by Robert Pela (from Gay oriented magazine ADVOCATE) In December 1985, David Caligiuri received one of The Advocate's homophobia rewaa awards: the A Prayer A Day Keeps the Lust Away citation. As director of FREE INDEED, a national ex-gay ministry, Caligiuri was singled out for offering discontented gays and lesbians ""a way out of the homosexual death-style"" through prayer. ""I'd like to give the award back,"" Caligiuri now laughs, ""I'm no longer deserve it."" Caligiuri's eight year involvement with the national ""ex-gay"" movement peaked with his founding of the Phoenix chapter of Homosexuals Anonymous (HA) as well as Free Indeed. He has since abandoned his pulpit and now says that the ex- gay movement is a fruitless effort based on deception. ""There's no reality in it,"" he says, ""I was selling a product, and my product was a lie."" Headed up by national ministries like Exodus International and Courage, the organizations of the ex-gay movement rely on the tenents of born-again Christianity to convince disatisfied homosexuals -- usually young gay men who are just coming out -- that they can shed their sexuality by suppressing their sexual urges and embracing Christianity. ""We offer support to people who are seeking to leave the sin of homosexuality,"" explains Bob Davies, director of Exodus. He ventures that ""about 80% of those seeking to abandon their homo- sexuality are men."" ""Anybody who is involved in the ex-gay ministry is misguided and is wasting their time,"" says Lisa Seeley, a former ""redeemed lesbian"" who worked with Caligiuri as HA and appeared with him on the Sally Jessy Raphael show. ""These organizations are for people who are spiritually and emotionally wounded."" ""It's possible to change your identity or your behavior,"" says sex educator Brian McNaught, author of _On Being Gay_. ""But it's really impossible to change your orientation. These people are no longer calling themselves gay, but they continue to have same-sex erotic feelings."" Caligiuri says he founded Free Indeed after an ominous week in 1981 when all hell broke loose in his personal life. A few days after his lover ended both their romance and their business partnership, Caligiuri was sexually assaulted by a man he picked up in a bar. ""I was really drunk,"" he recalls, ""and I went home with this guy. He tied me up and raped me. He left me tied up all night, and the next morning he raped me again."" When Caligiuri was eventually freed by the attacker, he returned home to the home he shared with his ex-lover. ""He had another man there with him,"" Caligiuri recalls. ""I thought at this time, 'If this is what being gay is about, I don't want to be this way anymore."" Caligiuri vowed that if he could find a way out, he would share his discovery with others. He organized an antigay contingent to demonstrate at Phoenix's gay pride parade in June 1985, and a few months later Free Indeed held its first public protest. At a meeting to promote a gay civil rights ordinance, Free Indeed members loudly blasted gays, telling them ther were sinners headed for hell. Free Indeed began receiving about a hundred telephone calls a week, thanks in part to a deceptive listing in the local yellow pages. ""We were listed under Lesbian and Gay Alternative Services,"" Caligiuri says, ""so people thought we were a gay information switchboard. People would call to find out where the local bars were, and we'd preach to them about the sins of homo- sexuality."" Ruses like this are typical of the movement, Caligiuri says, adding, ""They'll do anything to reach these people."" ""David used to go on radio and say really stupid things,"" recalls Peter Kelly, a counselor at Phoenix's Catholic diocese AIDS program, ""like that he knew he was gay when he started wearing pastel colors."" Caligiuri's family first found out about his ministry when they saw him on Raphael's syndicated talk show in 1985. ""They were relieved,"" he recalls. ""They figured that if they had to have a gay person in the family, better that I should be a 'reformed' gay person."" But Caligiuri was hardly reformed. ""By the time I appeared on Sally's show,"" ""I'd started having sex with men again. Men would call our hotline and tell me about thier latest sin: sex with their pastor, sex with their father. I was horny all the time."" Unable to risk going to gay bars, where he might be recognized from his numerous television appearances, Caligiuri says he ""used to go to bookstores and get blowjobs."" When he wasn't working the bookstores, he was sleeping with other ""reformed"" homosexuals. ""I didn't realize it at first, but a lot of the HA leaders were having sex with one another,"" Caligiuri says. ""We'd go to conferences in other cities, and we'd be paired up in hotel rooms. Everybody was sleeping with everybody else."" By the time he appeared on 'AM Philadelphia' television show in May 1988, Caligiuri was having anonymous sex a couple times a week. When the show's host asked him if he ever ""acted on temptation,"" his answer was a lie. Caligiuri's duplicity began to take it's toll on him, however. He was suffering from chrinic fatigue syndrome and candidiasis, a dibilitating yeast infection, and this led to his escape from the sect. ""I was too sick to go to church,"" he explains. ""The more time I spent away from those people the more I began to feel like myself. I began to remember who I used to be."" Late in 1991, Caligiuri turned Free Indeed phone lines over to a local church and closed the ministry's doors. ""I'd convinced myself that there is no need in the world for ex-gay people,"" he says. Today, Caligiuri, 31, is studying alternative spiritualities (""I'm interest- ed in belief systems that aren't judgemental.""), considering romance (""But not with a CHristian!""), and searching for a new project to devote himself to. ""I feel compelled to commit myself to gay causes,"" he says. ""I want to eventually stop feeling guilty about what I did and make up for the damage I may have brought to our community."" ---end article--- Caligiuri's tory is by no means unique and I have read several other articles of former leaders and founders of 'ex-gay' ministries who have said very similar th similar things. Fortuantely not all of them have left Christianity, but have come to realize that God loves them despite the attitudes of others. Some, like Chris Glaser, director of the Presbyterian ""Lazarus Project"" of West Hollywood Presbyterian Church have actually been working with the gay community to bring them into the sheepfold of Christ and encouraging real ethical values of sexuality within the sphere of being gay. I have also, as I said talked and become and become close friends with many who once attended such groups as ""Love In Action"" and others, who either once claimed to have been ""reformed"" or who were too honest with themselves to live a lie, no matter who was disappointed in them. Some were even encouraged to marry as a way of ""sealing"" their new heterosexuality, only to eventually start hitting the bars, bathhouses and bookstores, since these were usually activities under the concealment of night and one-night-stands of promiscuous behavior meant no continuous ""sin"" through a committed relationship. This is a horrible trap which the CHurch has dumped on the backs of the truly gay oriented people, and the very inno- cent victims in these cases are the wives and children of such marriages. Yet the church insists that there are only two options they are willing to allow gay people: 1) heterosexuality or 2) celebacy. This is sad. What is also mrtifying, is in the cases of those who cannot suppress their desires and fear for thier sanity in such a mixed up confusion that the church forces on them, they may even opt for 'suicide' or surgical dampering of the brain functions. In the past lobotomies and heavey drug suppressants were common- place. There are now becoming available more and more literature on the threat of coercive Christianity toward gays, such as Sylvia Pennington's _""Ex-Gays? There Are None_. and others. There are also a great many fact based books being written to help people trapped in this confusion such as Maury Johnston's _Gays Under Grace_, and Chris Glaser's _Come Hom!_. I seriously recommend those for people seeking help for this persecution and self-acceptance. Thank you. ";-1;0 "From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig ""Powderkeg"" DeForest) Subject: Re: Cold Gas tanks for Sounding Rockets Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: daedalus.stanford.edu In-reply-to: rdl1@ukc.ac.uk's message of 16 Apr 93 14:28:07 GMT In article <3918@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> rdl1@ukc.ac.uk (R.D.Lorenz) writes: >Does anyone know how to size cold gas roll control thruster tanks >for sounding rockets? Well, first you work out how much cold gas you need, then make the tanks big enough. Our sounding rocket payload, with telemetry, guidance, etc. etc. and a telescope cluster, weighs around 1100 pounds. It uses freon jets for steering and a pulse-width-modulated controller for alignment (ie during our eight minutes in space, the jets are pretty much continuously firing on a ~10% duty cycle or so...). The jets also need to kill residual angular momentum from the spin stabilization, and flip the payload around to look at the Sun. We have two freon tanks, each holding ~5 liters of freon (I'm speaking only from memory of the last flight). The ground crew at WSMR choose how much freon to use based on some black-magic algorithm. They have extra tank modules that just bolt into the payload stack. This should give you an idea of the order of magnitude for cold gas quantity. If you really need to know, send me email and I'll try to get you in touch with our ground crew people. Cheers, Craig -- DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK! ";2;1 "Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini From: Stephen.Gibson@sonoma.edu Distribution: world Organization: Sonoma State University Nntp-Posting-Host: computer_ctr.sonoma.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d1 Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr20.220556.19652@news.uit.no> Svein Pedersen, sp@odin.fna.no writes: >Sorry, I did`nt tell exactly what I need. > >I need a utility for automatic updating (deleting, adding, changing) of *.ini >files for Windows. >The program should run from Dos batchfile or the program run a script under Windows. > >I will use the utility for updating the win.ini (and other files) on meny PC`s. > >Do I find it on any FTP host? > > Svein > If you are managing PC's on a Novell network, get the network management tools provided by either Sabre Software or Automated Design Systems. Among the many features, you'll find utilities that can help you to manage .INI files stored on users' workstations or home directories. This is commercial software and well worth the money. To date, I have not found ANYTHING available via FTP that could compare. Reply to the address in my .SIG for more info. ---------------------------------- Stephen Gibson, System Support Specialist Sonoma State University eMAIL: gibsonst@sonoma.edu Stephen.Gibson@sonoma.edu ";6;1 "From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) Subject: Re: Supply Side Economic Policy (was Re: David Stockman ) Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg Organization: TECHNET, Singapore Distribution: na Lines: 29 In article Ashish Arora writes: >Excerpts from netnews.sci.econ: 5-Apr-93 Re: Supply Side Economic Po.. >by Not a Boomer@desire.wrig >[...] > >> The deficits declined from 84-9, reaching a low of 2.9% of GNP before >> the tax and spending hike of 1990 reversed the trend. >> >> Brett >Is this true ? Some more details would be appreciated. Yes, sadly, this is true. The primary reason, and the essence of the details that you are seeking, is that the Grahm-Rudman budget controls were working. In fact, they were working so well that unless the feds did something, they were going to have to start cutting pork. So Bush and the Democrats got together in a Budget Summit and replaced Grahm-Rudman with the now historic Grand Compromise in which Bush ""consented"" to raise taxes in exchange for certain caps on spending increases. As it turned out, the taxes killed the Reagan expansion and the caps on spending increases were dispelled by Clinton in his first act as President (so that he could create his own new plan with more tax increases). The result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level ABOVE where it was when Reagan left office. Chew on that awhile. ";18;1 "From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Backcountry Confidence Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 26 In article rbw3q@rayleigh.mech.Virginia.EDU (Brad Whitehurst) writes: > The rest of us fall in the middle. There IS too much violent >crime in the U.S., but turning the whole country into an old-time >Dodge City (ref. to American Old West) is not the way. That's an interesting statement. There's quite a difference between Hollywood's ""Old West"" and the real one. Yes, there were drunks, saloons, mining camps, and thugs. However, as McGrath showed, the thugs preyed almost exclusively on one another. McGrath claims that this was due to the fact that no one much cared if someone who insisted on getting into a fight got his way, even if he lost, while they really did care when thugs preyed on others. >citizens should be able to own weapons, but we see no sense in some >types. We haven't figured out that those distinctions don't actually work. Machine guns have been strictly regulated since 1934. Said regulation is both perfect (legally owned machine guns aren't ever used criminally) and a complete waste of time (the criminal use of machine guns hasn't change at all). The result - we're now arguing about guns that LOOK like machine guns, but are no different than other guns. -andy -- ";-1;0 "From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr10.130112.25440@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: >Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote: >>>And no, in Western countries, it isn't a ""legal"" concept >>>at all, so it's not the slightest bit pertinent to the >>>topic, which is a British author living in the United >>>Kingdom under the protection of British law. >>Ah, yes, I keep forgetting, governments are superior entities to >>religious organizations. Forgive me -- the gun is the higher law. >This is degenerating to 'Zumder logic. Of course governments are >superior entities, they are elected by the people, whereas religious >leaders certainly are not. Perhaps not in Christianity, but in Islam the choice of religious leaders is to be made by the people. So much for your superiority argument. > Those who the people trust to make the law >obviously represents the higher law. That is democracy. Democracy is a basic element of Islam. Learn that one! Ever notice that the so-called ""fundamentalists"" in Algeria who are being repressed by the secular government won in free and democratic elections. Gregg ";-1;0 "From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 32 In article , sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.143754.643@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca |> (Malcolm Lee) wrote: |> > I understand and sympathize with your pain. What happened in Waco was a very |> > sad tradgedy. Don't take it out on us Christians though. The Branch |> > Davidians were not an organized religion. They were a cult led by a ego-maniac |> > cult leader. The Christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man, |> > the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus Christ. BTW, David Koresh was NOT |> > Jesus Christ as he claimed. |> |> The interesting notion is that (I watched TV tonight) Koresh never |> claimed officially to be Jesus Christ. His believers hoped that |> he would be, but he never took this standpoint himself. |> |> He was more interested in breaking the seven seals of Revelation, |> and make sure that Armageddon would start. Well it did, and 19 |> children died, and no God saved them. |> |> Kent |> --- |> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. And does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of His coming, not even the angels in Heaven but only the Father Himself? DK was trying to play God by breaking the seals himself. DK killed himself and as many of his followers as he could. BTW, God did save the children. They are in Heaven, a far better place. How do I know? By faith. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) ";-1;0 "From: renouar@amertume.ufr-info-p7.ibp.fr (Renouard Olivier) Subject: LOOKING for CTDS ! Keywords: CTDS Nntp-Posting-Host: amertume.ufr-info-p7.ibp.fr Organization: Universite PARIS 7 - UFR d'Informatique Lines: 5 I can't find CTDS (Connect The Dots Smoother) in France. If it is a commercial program I'll happily pay whatever it may cost (do not take it litterally). Please help! I have *LOTS* of PoV sources, texture images and animations though, if you are looking for something, just tell. ";-1;0 "From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) Subject: Insurance discount Summary: Two or more vehicles... discount? Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 26 Hola amigos, Quiero... I need an answer to a pressing question. I now own two bikes and would love to keep them both. One is a capable and smooth street bike, low and lightweight with wide power and great brakes; the other is a Beemer G/S, kind of rough for the city but great on the long road and backroad. A good start at a stable, but I don't think it's going to work. Unfortunately, insurance is going to pluck me by the short hairs. Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount. They do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of driving one of the things at a time. I don't think I'll ever manage to straddle both bikes and ride them tandem down the street. (Turn left... accelerate the Zephyr; turn right... accelerate the Beemer.) Does anybody know of an agency that makes use of this simple fact to discount your rates? State Farm doesn't. By the way, I'm moving to the Bay area so I'll be insuring the bikes there, and registering them. To ease me of the shock, can somebody guesstimate the cost of insuring a ZR550 and a R800GS? Here in Tucson they only cost me $320 (full) and $200 (liability only) for the two, per annum. Muchas gracias, Enrique ";-1;0 "From: ""William K. Willis"" Subject: Don Cherry - help me out, here Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu As a person who has rarely even SEEN Don Cherry and doesn't know anything about him, I don't know whether it is just this area (Pittsburgh) of the USA that is ""deprived"" of his broadcasts or whether he's a Canadian thing altogether. Seriously, what is he all about? I know he was a coach at one time, and from the volume of posts about him, SOMEONE surely is getting a steady diet of him somehow, but my question is, what is the deal with him? Secondly, are the comments of his that I read about on the net merely flame bait, or do people actually take him seriously? I gotta tell you, from what I see, he really sounds like an ass. Let me know - maybe I'm missing something. ";-1;0 "From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 39 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 In article Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes: >In article <1993Mar17.115603.28712@aber.ac.uk>, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy >Woodward) wrote: >> >> Two questions that fascinate me:- > You are easily fascinated. > >> 1) Why are rednecks called rednecks? > Why are you called a Welch? > OK, it's because they are often south or southeastern farmers > who's necks are permanently damaged from sunburn. The sun; > you know what that is, it never sets on the British Empire > and never shines in Wales. > This is a despicable LIE! It was sunny on 3rd July 1958 from 11.23am to 11 37am. I made a note of it. Diaries are never wrong. >> 2) Why do they ride Harleys? > They don't. They drive in pick-up trucks and shoot bikers. > >> Please enlighten me. When I visited last, the only answers I got >> were incoherent splutterings. > You deserve more? > >==================================================== >John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona > All standard disclaimers apply. Do you, by any chance ride a Harley? (just a feeling...) How is your neck? Calamine lotion is good, I'm told. I am getting bored with winding up Americans. Its like bombing fish in a barrel. Haaaaaaaaaaave a Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Andy ";7;1 "From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) Distribution: world Subject: Re: Help! Ten beeps with 386/40 (AMI BIOS) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Organization: private COHERENT system Lines: 9 G. Wayne Nichols (gwni@troi.cc.rochester.edu) wrote: > I have a 386/40 motherboard with AMI BIOS. [..] > After multiple reboots, now it only gives 10 beeps and sits there? Referring to the manual of my motherboard with AMI-BIOS, 10 beeps are a 'CMOS Shutdown Register Read/Write Error', if the system stops after these beeps. If the system continues, it is a 'Keyboard error'. Michael -- * michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * ";-1;0 "From: ivancich@eecs.umich.edu (Eric Ivancich) Subject: Re: 14"" monitors In-Reply-To: fredm@media.mit.edu's message of Wed, 31 Mar 1993 20:39:45 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Department Distribution: na Lines: 37 In article <1993Mar31.203945.8757@news.media.mit.edu> fredm@media.mit.edu (Fred G Martin) writes: [part of posting removed] * the Sony CPD-1304 has better video circuitry than either of the other two monitors. It can display Apple 640x480, VGA 640x480, VGA 800x600 (though this has 56 Hz flicker), and Apple 832x624 (75 Hz refresh: no flicker at all). It might be able to display Apple's 1024x768, but I'm not sure about this, and the pixels would be real small anyway so it might not be that useful. Note that with either Sony monitor, you will need the proper adapter, which both connects the video signals properly, but also informs the Macintosh video hardware of which display mode to use. [part of posting removed] -- Fred Martin | fredm@media.mit.edu | (617) 253-7143 | 20 Ames St. Rm. E15-301 Epistemology and Learning Group, MIT Media Lab | Cambridge, MA 02139 USA I'm assuming that the cabling tells the Mac, at startup, what kind of monitor is connected. Now I think I've seen ads in popular Mac magazines for products (I'm not sure if it's just a monitor, just a video card, or a package of both) that allow you to change resolutions on the fly (w/o restarting the Mac). If you were to buy a 1304, would it be possible to switch back and forth between Apple 640x480 and Apple 832x624 without restarting the Mac? Is this strictly a hardware startup function, or can software intervene, or does the Mac hardware occasionally probe the cable setting and switch automatically? Thanks, Eric (ivancich@eecs.umich.edu) ";-1;0 "From: s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) Subject: Re: Playoff predictions Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 50 smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes: > OK, I'll join in the fun and give my playoff predictions: > > 1st round: > ---------- > > PITT vs NYI: PITT in 4. > WASH vs NJD: WASH in 6. > > BOS vs BUF: BOS in 5. > QUE vs MON: MON in 7. > > CHI vs STL: CHI in 4. > DET vs TOR: DET in 6. > > VAN vs WIN: WIN in 6. > CAL vs LA: CAL in 5. > > 2nd round: > ---------- > > PITT vs WASH: PITT in 4. > BOS vs MON: BOS in 6. > > CHI vs DET: CHI in 7. > WIN vs CAL: CAL in 5. > > 3rd round: > ---------- > > PITT vs BOS: PITT in 5. > CHI vs CAL: CHI in 5. > > Finals: > ------ > > PITT vs CHI: PITT in 5. > > > ============================================= > Walter > Not bad, you only got 2 wrong,... Cal over Chi in 5 and Cal over Pit in 6 (or 7) to take the SC s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) Western Business School -- London, Ontario ";-1;0 "From: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu (Lowell B. Reiter) Subject: HP LaserJet III, printing(non-Appletalk) with Duo Lines: 25 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA How does one print to a non-appletalk printer using DMM LaserWriter Stuff. I'm using the Serial driverand does nothig. I'vetried saving a postscriptfile and then tried sending with SendPS2.0 and it says can'topen LaserWriter Driver, then some appletalk messagethatprinter not specified. I'm using and imagewritwrite one cable. Should I use a null-modem adapter? Help... ---Lowell -- *********************************************************************** * Lowell Reiter ""I need a Vacation... Now!!! "" * * Tufts University * * Internet Account: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu * *********************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: sfp@lemur.cit.cornell.edu (Sheila Patterson) Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Organization: Cornell University CIT Lines: 10 Hooray ! I always suspected that I was human too :-) It is the desire to be like Christ that often causes christians to be very critical of themselves and other christians. We are supposed to grow, mature, endeavour to be Christ-like but we are far far far from perfect. Build up the body of Christ, don't tear it down, and that includes yourself. Jesus loves me just the way I am today, tomorrow and always (thank God ! :-). -Sheila Patterson ";-1;0 "From: kohli@ecs.umass.edu Subject: Mazda GLC for Sale. Lines: 5 Want to sell a 1980 MAZDA GLC for $300 or b.o. Excellent working condition. Just passed inspection. Has a sun roof. No marks on body. Contact soon kohli@ecs.umass.edu or (413_549-4738. kohli ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? <1993Apr18.100640.1@nickel.laurentian.ca> Lines: 9 In Detroit, the octopus is a symbol from the old days of the league. In the era of the Original 6, four teams made the playoffs. To win the Cup, a team had to win two seven-game series - in other words it took 8 playoff wins to win the Cup. The octopus (8 legs) has become a common Detroit symbol. Every year around playoff time people start sneaking octopus (octopi?) into the Joe Louis Arena and throwing them onto the ice. J. Old e-mail: JOLD@vma.cc.nd.edu ";-1;0 "From: tpd6908@yak.COM (Tom Dickens) Subject: Re: iisi clock upgrades Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 22 I too have been watching the IIsi speedup reports and plan to upgrade in the next few weeks. The plan I have is to build a small board with a few different crystals on it and to be able to switch between the different speeds using a front pannel switch. This way I can get the speed when I want but I can also run at slower (stock) speeds it I experience any compatability problems with any applications. I don't expect to be able to switch clock speeds with the system running, but if I can switch without any lock-up problems, then I could switch to 33MHz when needed and put it back to idle (20 MHz) when not needeed. This would further reduce the wear-and-tear on the CPU even with a heat sink. Of course I would not want to run the different clock signals through the switch but use a chip or two on the board to select the frequency desired and route it directly to the mother board. I haven't started probing around inside my si yet. Does anyone know the voltage level to power the crystal oscilators? Thanks. <<< Tom Dickens: Boeing Computer Services tpd6908@yak.ca.boeing.com >>> <<< These statements are mine and not Boeing's >>> ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) Distribution: na Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc. Nntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com Lines: 60 In strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >In article <115863@bu.edu> uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes: >> >>I wish I could agree with you. Ask yourself this. Why would any private >>sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that was KNOWN to be at least >>partially compromised? (Key escrows in this instance) Why would any >>private sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that had not been properly >>evaluated? (i.e. algorythm not publically released) >>The answer seems obvious to me, they wouldn't. There is other hardware out >>there not compromised. DES as an example (triple DES as a better one.) >What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be ""the truth"" so no >flames, please. It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior >corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies. No wonder American businesses are going down the tubes! :-| >I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if >they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to >attempts by Japanese, French, and other competitive companies and >governments to break. (It's NIST, not NSA. NSA is not supposed to have anything to do with this.) They didn't say that. They said is was better than some commercial-grade encryptions. I, for one, wouldn't trust them if they did, unless they release the algorithm for investigation. >I'd be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about >the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly >satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms). Maybe the ACLU and EFF. (It would have to be a non-profit, so the big 8 would be out.) >I'd trust the NSA or the President if they stated there were no trap >doors--I'd be even happier if a committee of independent experts examined >the thing under seal of secrecy and reported back that it was secure. I wouldn't trust the NSA. I think I would trust the President on this, but I'm not certain he would be told. >I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from some >Swiss or anybody Japanese. That's your problem. >This may seem surprising to some here, but I suggest most corporations would >feel the same way. Most/many/some (pick one) corporations have an attitude >that the NSA is part of our government and ""we support our government"", as >one very famous CEO put it to me one day. I want to emphasize the I am not speaking for Beckman Instruments at this point. However, we are an international company, and I would like to think that our customers come first, ahead of our government's whims. -- Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea 216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal) My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) Distribution: rec Organization: Winona State University Nntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu Lines: 9 >>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said: > Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front. See, it just HOPS into the air! Figure. ==================================================== John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona All standard disclaimers apply. ";-1;0 "From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: About this 'Center for Policy Research'... Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu I have read numerous posts over a period of several months, by this anti-Israel fanatic, hiding in the shadow of the respectable sounding name of the 'Center for Policy Research.' Obviously, it is no research center of any kind, unless 'researching' published documents to find material to use against Israel makes it so. Labeling a propaganda mill a research center is not surprising in itself. That is simply part of the propaganda process. I was curious if anyone knew who this anti-Israel fanatic hiding behind his phoney 'research center' name is. Is he an Arab? Is he some typical anti-semite hiding behind a veneer of 'anti-zionism?' Is he some Jew who perhaps lived in Israel and just couldn't make it there, and is now taking his failure out on Israel? Let's shed some light on this clown once and for all. It will help put his nonsense in the proper perspective. And the readers of this group who are more interested in fact than in anti-Israel hyperbola can ignore this junk. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) Distribution: world,local Organization: University of Arizona Nntp-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 27 In article , chrisb@tafe.sa.edu.au (Chris BELL) writes... >jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: > >>My syllogism is of the form: >>A is B. >>C is A. >>Therefore C is B. > >>This is a logically valid construction. > >>Your syllogism, however, is of the form: >>A is B. >>C is B. >>Therefore C is A. > >>Therefore yours is a logically invalid construction, >>and your comments don't apply. If all of those are ""is""'s of identity, both syllogisms are valid. If, however, B is a predicate, then the second syllogism is invalid. (The first syllogism, as you have pointed out, is valid--whether B is a predicate or designates an individual.) Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 ";-1;0 "From: David Ruggiero Subject: Bare 4mb 386/25 Micronics system - $450/$350 Organization: [none - why fight entropy?] Lines: 29 Distribution: na Reply-To: osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (David Ruggiero) NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com Originator: osiris@halcyon.com ""Bare"" = case, a power supply, and a motherboard (with RAM and a coprocessor). Everything else is yours to add as you like. The motherboard: - US-made Micronics 8-slot motherboard with Intel 386dx/25mhz CPU - 64kb SRAM cache - 4mb 80us RAM using 4x1mb simms (worth $120 alone) - Cyrix 83D87 math coprocessor (worth $90 alone) - Norton SI 6.0 rating of 26.1 - Latest version Phoenix BIOS The case/power supply: - Standard desktop case. 230watt power supply with the usual connectors. - Room for five floppy/hard drives (three visible, two internal). *New* Micronics CPUs often command a several-hundred dollar premium over clone motherboards because they are US-made, use high-quality components, and are known to be both very reliable and compatible. They have been OEMed in systems sold by both Gateway and Zeos at various points in the past. (Check out the ads in the back pages of Byte or PC Magazine if you want to see this price differential for yourself.) Price: $450 complete, $100 less if you don't want/need the case and power supply. The board is fully guaranteed. Email for further details or for any questions. Thanks! -- David Ruggiero (jdavid@halcyon.com) Seattle, WA: Home of the Moss People ";-1;0 "From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 110 Jesus: > ""This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but > men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds > are evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will > not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be > exposed."" Kent Sandvik says: >It seems we are dealing with a black-and-white interpretation. >Brian, are you subtly accusing me of evil things because I never >saw the light? However, this is even more confusing because >I even admit that I don't like the situation where I'm not >informed. Black and white. A spade is a spade. There is no hidden agenda behind this, so stop trying to look for one. It is an easy and as straight forward as it reads. Kent, I am not accusing you of evil things. Jesus is accusing you. And it is not only you that He is accusing. He is accusing everyone. Me, you and everyone in the world is guilty. Whether one sees the light or does not seen the light has nothing to do with whether we do evil things. We do them regardless. Jesus uses the word ""men"". I am included. Jesus is not soloing you out. Jesus is making a general statement about out the sad state of man. Christians are not immuned from doing evil things. A Christian is just a person in whom the Holy Spirit indwells. A Christian can see the evil he is doing--because his evil has been brought out into the light. Jesus is not saying that just because evil has been exposed, that the Christian will stop doing evil. If you haven't seen Jesus's light, your evil deeds simply haven't been exposed to the His light. You may shed some light on your own. Your human spirit shines at perhaps 1 candela. But the Holy Spirit shines at a Megacandela. The Holy Spirit can shine light into places inside us where we didn't even know existed. So do you see Jesus's point? Christians are not perfect. Nonchristians are not perfect. Nonchristians do not want to come into the Light of Jesus because they will see all the problems in their lives, and they will not like the sight. It is an ugly thing to see how far we have fallen from Jesus's perspective. Do you think you want to know how really ignorant you are? Do you think Brian Kendig wants to know? Do you think I want to know? Ego verses the truth, which do you choose? >I'm watching the news about a man who saw the light, and made >sure that the 19 children burned to death as part of his insight >into the light. I don't think the world is that simple. And if >you act in such ways when you are enlighted, then I'm a happy >man and I pray I will never receive such 'light'. And I watched Koresh too, an imposter who thought he saw the light, who made sure that the 19 children burned to death, sadly, as part of his delusion. It is even sadder that the people who died with him chose to die with them, and that ignorance was their downfall to death. And Kent, don't you bury yourself underneath a rock with an excuse like bringing up Koresh--as if Koresh actually had truth in him. David Koresh was no light and no excuse for you to stay away from the real Jesus Christ. David Koresh, who claimed to be Jesus, was a fraud. It was obvious. David Koresh was born in America. Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Koresh wasn't even a good imposter having missed an obvious point as that. Jesus warned of such imposters in the end-times. David Koresh wasn't anything new to Jesus. Jesus told us to be aware of imposters 2000 years ago. So the next time an imposter makes a scene and claims to be Jesus. Ask the obvious. Where were you born? Was your mother's name Mary? If the Branch Davidians asked that simple question, they would have labeled Koresh a liar right from the start. The wouldn't have followed Koresh. They wouldn't have died. But look what happened. Their ignorance cost them their lives. Their choice to be ignorant cost them a lot. Kent, since you studied the Bible under Lutheranism, do you not remember what tactic Satan used to try to tempt Jesus? Did not Satan quote the Bible out of context? Do you remember what tactic the serpent of Genesis used to tempt Eve? Did he not misquote God? What Satan used on Eve and succeeded, was the same ploy he tried on Jesus. But in Jesus's case, Jesus rebuked Satan back with the Bible _in_ context. It didn't work with Jesus. Does what Satan did to Eve in the Garden and what Satan tried to do with Jesus in the desert remind you of what Koresh did to his followers? Who did Koresh emulate? Who was Koresh's teacher? Koresh did to his followers what Satan did to Eve. Did not Koresh kill his followersr? Did not Satan cause Adam and Eve to die as well? Did not the cult followers believe Koresh even though they knew the real Christ was born in Bethlehem? Did not Eve choose to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil despite knowing that it would cause her death? God held them all responsible--deceiver and the rebeller. None of them had an excuse. As opposed to the Branch Davidians, we have a second chance. Follow Jesus and he will escort us to the path of eternal life. Don't follow Jesus, and you stand condemned already, for like the Branch Davidian complex, your house is already on fire. Satan, Adam and Eve have already set it ablaze. It is just a slow burn, but it is burning nevertheless. ";-1;0 "From: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 27 Reply-To: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) says: >In article <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: >>I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in >>reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering >>reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is >>interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. > >Since one is also unlikely to get ""the truth"" from either Arab or >Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to ""understand"", to learn? >Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report on the situation in the O.T. But, as most people used to see on TV, the Israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the O.T. The Israelis used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine. They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in Palestine. >to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer's ""political >agenda"", whether it is ""on"" or ""against"" our *side*. > >Tim Anas Omran ";-1;0 "From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) Subject: 2 level brightness Xmas light set (for Easter? Keywords: xmas Organization: AT&T Lines: 54 Yes, I know it's nowhere near Christmas time, but I'm gonna loose Net access in a few days (maybe a week or 2 if I'm lucky), and wanted to post this for interested people to save 'till Xmas. :-( Note: Bell Labs is a good place IF you have a PhD and a good boss, I have neither. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Xmas light set with 2 levels of brightness Another version of a variable brightness Xmas light set: This set starts with a 2 blinker 35 bulb string. DIAGRAM: orginal 2 way set 120v---+--b-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--! !---b-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-! ! 120rtn_____________________! modified set for 2 level brightness: string 1 120v---------*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--! \_10K_______*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-! 5w ! string 2 ! b ________________! 120v rtn__!___! ^ Note: no mods to wiring to the right of this point. Only one blinker is used. Note that the blinker would not have as much current thru it as the string 1 bulbs, because of the second string of bulbs in parallel with it. That's why the use of the 10K 5W resistor here to add extra current thru the blinker to make up for the current shunted thru the second string while the blinker is glowing and the second string is not glowing. When the blinker goes open, this resistor has only a slight effect on the brightness of the strings, s1 slightly dimmer, s2 slightly brighter. Or use a 3W 120v bulb in place of the 10K resistor if you can get one. Caution, do not replace with a standard C9 bulb, as these draw too much current and burn out the blinker. C9 = approx 7W. What you'll see when it's working: powerup, string 1 will light at full brightness, and b will be lit, bypassing most of the current from the second string, making them not light. b will open, placing both strings in series, making the string that was out to glow at a low brightness, and the other string that was on before to glow at reduced brightness. Be sure to wire and insulate the splices, resistor leads, and cut wires in a safe manner! ";-1;0 "From: swdwan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Donald Wan) Subject: just testing Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 3 hello testing ";-1;0 "From: dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Lines: 16 In article <1qc5sa$obl@pandora.sdsu.edu>, chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) writes: } A note on the lighter side, I've noticed most gun-banners (some of my } friends included) are the one who make comments that indicate they are } more likely to resort to violent. So are they really banning guns so they } wouldn't end up shooting someone else? Could be. It is also likely that since they feel they are more likely to resort to violence, they have a hard time believing that anyone else would react otherwise. -- David Olson dlo@drutx.att.com ""Well, I did say we'll put it out and we'll put it out when we can. But I don't know what we can put out or when we can put it out."" -- George Stephanopolous. ";-1;0 "From: DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan) Subject: Re: chronic sinus and antibiotics Keywords: sinus, antibiotics, antibacterial Nntp-Posting-Host: pcdehp Organization: Calvin College Distribution: na Lines: 18 In article <1qk708INNa12@mojo.eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes: >You can also swab the inside of your nose with Bacitracin using a >Q tip. Bacitracin is an antibiotic that can be bought OTC as an >ointment in a tube. The doctor I listen to on the radio says to apply >it for 30 days, while you are taking other antibiotics by mouth. I have a new doctor who gave me a prescription today for something called Septra DS. He said it may cause GI problems and I have a sensitive stomach to begin with. Anybody ever taken this antibiotic. Any good? Suggestions for avoiding an upset stomach? Other tips? Phil de Haan (DoD #0578) Why yes. That is my 1974 Honda CL360. ============================================================================= ""That's the nature of being an executive in America. You have to rely on other people to do something you used to do yourself."" -- Donald Fehr, executive director, Major League Baseball Players Association. ============================================================================= ";-1;0 "From: detroch@imec.be (Stefan De Troch) Subject: virtual mwm ? Nntp-Posting-Host: nemesis Reply-To: detroch@imec.be Organization: IMEC, Kapeldreef 75 3001 Leuven Belgium Lines: 12 -- Hi netland, I thought that I once read about the existance of a virtual mwm like vtwm. On the usual ftp sites (gatakeeper.dec.com, export.lcs.mit.edu) I can't find any trace of this program. Could anybody give me a hint where to find this program or confirm/deny the existance of this program. Regards, Stefan ";12;1 "From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) Subject: Insurance and lotsa points... Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance. I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec. vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year. Now what do I do? (I could probably just sell the bike and return my DoD number,... ) -- Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | '71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | ==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | ";-1;0 "From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 20 Nabil Ayoub writes: >As a final note, the Oriental Orthodox and Eastren Orthodox did sign a >common statement of Christology, in which the heresey of >Monophysitism was condemned. So the Coptic Orthodox Church does not >believe in Monophysitism. Sorry! What does the Coptic Church believe about the will and energy of Christ? Were there one or were there two (i.e. Human and Divine) wills and energies in Him. Also, what is the objection ot the Copts with the Pope of Rome (i.e. why is there a Coptic Catholic Church)? Do you reject the supreme jurisdiction of the 263rd sucessor of St. Peter (who blessed St. John Mark, Bishop of Alexandria was translator for) and his predecessors? Or his infallibility? Or what other things perhaps? Andy Byler ";-1;0 "From: N.R.Ellis@newcastle.ac.uk (Nigel R. Ellis) Subject: Keyboard map for UK type 5 keyboard under X11/R5? Nntp-Posting-Host: ws-ai3.dur.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Reply-To: N.R.Ellis@durham.ac.uk Organization: Computer Science, University of Durham, Durham, UK. DH1 3LE Lines: 16 Hi, does anyone have a keyboard map for a Sun UK type 5 keyboard for use under X11/R5 ? Thanks, Nigel. -- ============================================================================ | Nigel R Ellis, Artificial Intelligence Group, | N.R.Ellis@durham.ac.uk | | Computer Science, University of Durham, | Phne: +44.91.374.2549 | | Durham. England DH1 3LE | Fax : +44.91.374.3741 | ============================================================================ ";-1;0 "From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Subject: Re: Remember those names come election time. Keywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 39 In article nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: > > BTW, with Bosnia's large Moslem population, why have nations like > Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and others with either money > or strong military forces not spoken out more forcibly or offered > to help out Bosnia? Obviously, you really don't know. They *have* spoken out (cf Sec'y of State Christopher's recent trip to the ME), they have provided millions in aid, and they have participated in the airlifts to Sarajevo. They *would* supply military aid, if the UN would lift the embargo on arms sales. > The Turkish ambassador has ocassionally said > a thing or two, but that's all; I see no great enthusism from any > of those places to get *their* hands dirty. Why does the US always > get stuck with this stuff? > See above. (Kuwait has directly participated in the airlift of food to Sarajevo.) > Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement > there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or > (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia. Non-whites > don't count? Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are ""oil rich"", ""loaded with petro-dollars"", etc so they don't count. > > >---peter > > > ";-1;0 "From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King) Subject: Re: Can't wear contacts after RK/PRK? Keywords: radial,keratotomy,contact,lenses Article-I.D.: kestrel.1993Apr16.172052.27843 Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: drums.reasoning.com In article <1993Apr16.063425.163999@zeus.calpoly.edu> dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) writes: >I love the FAQ. > >The comment about contact lenses not being an option for any remaining >correction after RK and possibly after PRK is interresting. Why is >this? Does anyone know for sure whether this applies to PRK as well? > >Also, why is it possible to get a correction in PRK with involvement of >only about 5% of the corneal depth, while RK is done to a depth of up to >95%? Why such a difference? In myopia the cornea is too curved. There is too much of a bulge in the center. In PRK the laser removes a small amount of material from the center. In RK the surgeon cuts incisions near the edge. They heal, and the scarring reshapes the cornea. Entirely different mechanisms, and the action is in a different place. -dk ";-1;0 "From: stevew@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Steve Weet) Subject: Xterm Cursor X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA19241; Sun, 18 Apr 93 23:09:02 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA08122; Sun, 18 Apr 93 23:08:16 -0700 X-Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.13 for ) id AA13841; Mon, 19 Apr 1993 01:08:08 -0500 X-Received: from chimpc01.euro.csg.mot.com ([140.101.110.3]) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.12 for ) id AA05426; Mon, 19 Apr 1993 01:06:06 -0500 X-Received: by chimpc01.euro.csg.mot.com (5.61/MCDMAIL IR04 [03/06/92 15:24]/1.36) id AA07883; Mon, 19 Apr 93 07:04:08 GMT X-Mailer: Z-Mail (2.1.3 26jan93) X-To: comp.windows.x.usenet Lines: 42 Forgive me if this is a FAQ (I have checked the list but I cant find it). I have a problem with the cursor within Xterm on MONO (not grayscale monitors) The problem is that when I have an character application that displays input fields in reverse video the Xterm text cursor gets lost on the edge of the input field. The solution would appear to be to set the xterm cursor to a line rather than a block, but how do you do this. I can't find any means although various sources seem to indicate it can be done. When the xterm loses the input focus the cursor becomes an outlined block. This would also be preferable but I can't seem to force this to be the default either. Configuration is : Motorola 88K X11R4 Please reply by email if poss. Thank you -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Weet - European Mis - Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group Beechgreen Court, Chineham, Basingstoke, HANTS England. Phone : +44 (0)256 790154 E-Mail stevew@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com Fax : +44 (0)256 817481 Mobile : +44 (0)850 335105 Post : w10075 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Weet - European Mis - Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group Beechgreen Court, Chineham, Basingstoke, HANTS England. Phone : +44 (0)256 790154 E-Mail stevew@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com Fax : +44 (0)256 817481 Mobile : +44 (0)850 335105 Post : w10075 ";-1;0 "From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Re: Goodbye, good riddance, get lost 'Stars Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 13 In article s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) writes: > Goodbye Minnesota,...you never earned the right to have an NHL >franchise in the first place! >Whatta weird town!!!!! Whatta ass!!!!! -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: td@alice.att.com (Tom Duff) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Article-I.D.: alice.25335 Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ Lines: 3 ulrich@galki.toppoint.de wrote: > Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from? Forty-two is six times nine. ";-1;0 "From: jmu@acpub.duke.edu (Joshua Mostkoff Unger) Subject: INTEL FAX MODEM FOR SALE Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: raphael.acpub.duke.edu I have an Intel SatisFAXtion Modem/100 INTERNAL for sale. It runs at 2400 baud data mode and up to 9600 baud as a Class 1 fax modem. It transmits up to 9600 baud (V.29) and receives up to 4800 baud (V.27 ter.) The modem has all original manuals and comes with software, icluding Intel's SatisFAXtion and FAXability, as well as Crosstalk Communicator I have used this modem less than an hour. It came with my computer and I already had another one. I would like to ask $50 for this modem, but will entertain all serious offers. Please email to jmu@acpub.duke.edu Thanks. ";-1;0 "From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Playoff pool rule revision Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Well, I will have to change the scoring on my playoff pool. Unfortunately I don't have time right now, but I will certainly post the new scoring rules by tomorrow. Does it matter? No, you'll enter anyway!!! Good! -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" ";-1;0 "From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio) Subject: Re: ABORTION and private health coverage -- letters regarding Reply-To: cj@sgi.com Organization: SGI Developer Docudramas Lines: 20 writes: | For an illustrative example in the opposite direction, it may be possible | to ADD services to an insurance contract and REDUCE the premium. If you | add preventative services and this reduces acute care use, then the total | premium may fall. Women who are known not to want abortion services, for example, might be judged to be more likely to require prenatal care & coverage for childbirth... which can be an order of magnitude more expensive than abortion. This topic should really be restricted to talk.abortion, which exists to relieve t.r.m & t.p.m of abortion flamage. --- C J Silverio cj@sgi.com ceej@well.sf.ca.us ""In Melbourne, Fla., meanwhile, anti-abortion marchers rallied to celebrate the death of Dr. David Gunn. ""Praise God!"" they shouted."" (NY Daily News, Fri. March 12, p. 20) ";-1;0 "From: long@spk.hp.com (Jerry Long) Subject: Re: Principle_of_the_Breathalyzer Article-I.D.: spk.C52I89.GEq Distribution: na Organization: Hewlett-Packard Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] william burchill (williamb@ee.ubc.ca) wrote: : Does anybody out there know how the hand held breathalyzer used : by our police works? I would like to hear about this and the more : general problem of detecting smells by machine. : : Thanks, William. : : williamb@ee.ubc.ca : From what I have read about these little gadgets, it works on a electrochemical galvanic principle. The sensing unit has a chemical matrix which produces an electrical voltage proportional to the amount of chemical compound it is designed for ... in this case I believe it is the Hydroxyl group??? I have also heard - not tested :-) - since common gasoline is also a member of this Hydroxyl group, it will also cause a failing breathalizer failure! Next time you get stopped for DUI, say you just siphoned gas from your neighbors car (you know..... the Oklahoma credit card) and chances are you won't get a DUI ticket!!!! Jerry Long long@spk.hp.com **************************************** Disclaimer.... Opinions are my own and do NOT reflect those of my employer. **************************************** ";-1;0 "From: arana@labein.ES (Jose Luis Arana) Subject: X Graphics Accelerators Organization: The Internet Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu How can I obtain public information (documentation and sources) about Xservers implemented with graphics processors? I am specially interested in Xservers developed for the TMS34020 Texas Instruments graphic processor. Please send answer to arana@labein.es ";12;1 "From: ""David R. Sacco"" Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) Organization: Misc. student, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 29 Distribution: na <1993Apr2.170259.13380@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr2.170259.13380@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity. The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect to join. There are just so many. Dean Kaflowitz Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So convenient that it is burdensome at times. Dave. ============================================================= --There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke. (Bob Dylan) --Never let school interfere with your education. (Mark Twain) --Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated. (Mark Twain) --TACT is getting your point across without stabbing someone with it. --Subtlety is saying what you mean, then getting out of the way before it is understood. --""If you were happy every day of your life you wouldn't be a human being, you'd be a game show host."" (taken from the movie ""Heathers."") ";-1;0 "From: afielden@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (andrew.j.fielden) Subject: X benchmarks Keywords: benchmark Organization: AT&T Lines: 17 We are in the process of evaluating X-terminals. This includes running XRemote over a serial line. I would like to run some X benchmarks to determine comparative performance. Has anyone written any such benchmarks, or know of any useful programs on the net ? I heard of a program called ""Xstone"", but I couldn't locate it using archie. Please reply to afielden@mlsma.att.com, as I don't get to read this newsgroup much. Thanks in advance for any help. -- +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ |Andrew Fielden. AT&T Network Systems UK | Tel : +44 666 832023 | |Information Systems Group (SUN support) | Email : afielden@mlsma.att.com | +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: sliew@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Selbyn Liew) Subject: Re: An agnostic's question Organization: Dept of E & E Eng, U of M Lines: 79 In article jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson (jimt II)) writes: [..] >goodness that is within the power of each of us. Now, the >complication is that one of my best friends has become very >fundamentalist. That would normally be a non-issue with me, but he Hello. Firstly, what do you exactly mean by ""fundamentalist""? I will for the time being assume that what you mean is that your friend believes that the bible is God's word to mankind? I suspect that what happened to him is what he'll call being ""born again""? Anyway, was that recent? If the answer is ""yes"" to all the questions above, it is quite understandable. However, IMO, I'ld rather give advice to your friend! I think I've been through something similar to him, and one thing I can say is that the basic problem is that each of you are now trying to communicate from different worldviews. Why he talks about those things is because they are now ""obvious"" to him. What is ""obvious"" to him is not obvious to you. Secondly, why he may be very persuasive is because from his point of view, he has been on ""both sides of the fence"". This I mean that before he turned ""fundamentalist"", you two are agreeable because both of you see things from the same side. If suddenly, as if a new world of reality has suddenly opened up to him, it is like the discovery of let's say a new continent, or a new planet. To him, he's got to tell you because he has seen something much more wonderful than where he was, and what he thinks is much better than where you are now. You have got to realise that from his point of view, he means well to you, eventhough he may end up offending you. To him, it is worth that risk. Nevertheless, it is really up to him to respect where you stand and listen to you as well. At this moment, it may be difficult because he is either very excited or feel it is too urgent to keep quiet about, however, he may not realise that he's really putting you off. [...] >the Bible that it is so.' So my question is, how can I convince him >that this is a subject better left undiscussed, so we can preserve >what is (in all areas other than religious beliefs) a great >friendship? How do I convince him that I am 'beyond saving' so he >won't try? Thanks for any advice. So far, I've only been trying to explain things from his side. However, I do understand how you feel too, because I wasn't a Christian for a good part of my life as well. I was quite turned off by Christians or ""fundamentalists"" who were really all out and enthusiastic about their faith. They really scared me, to tell you the truth. Unfortunately, ""religious belief"" is a very personal thing, just as your agnosticism is also a very personal thing to you. Since the Christian belief is inevitably at odds with anything non-Christian (religious or otherwise), it will be a touchy matter. Like all friendships, it will take both sides to do their part to make it work. In this matter, maybe you can do your part by telling him nicely that you are not able to dig what he's trying to convince you about, that it's beyond you or not your concern ""for now"". Don't tell him it's nonsense, because to him it is reality - and that would be a real insult. He'll also have to be careful not to insult where you stand too. Like I said before, I wish I could give your friend some advice too. I'll admit that I did similarly to some of my friends when I became a Christian. In some ways, I wish I could have done things a little differently. However, it was difficult then because I was so excited and just blabbered away about what I've found! To me, it was too good not to know. To some, I was crazy, and I didn't really care most of the time what they thought. You will probably think he's crazy too - but God is very real to him, as real as you are to him. Keep that in mind. And he thinks he can convince you because since God is so real to him, he doesn't see why God can't be real to you too. I don't know how helpful this is to you. But all the best anyhow - this is quite a challenge for you to face. By the way, personal conviction: nobody is ""beyond saving"" except the one we call the devil and his hosts. Regards, Selbyn Liew ========================================================================== Dept. of EE Engineering, University of Melbourne, Victoria 3052, Australia EMAIL: sliew@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au PH: +61-3-3447976 FAX: +61-3-3446678 ========================================================================== ";17;1 "From: brian@porky.contex.com (Brian Love) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Xyvision Design Systems Lines: 9 In article <25335@alice.att.com> td@alice.att.com (Tom Duff) writes: >ulrich@galki.toppoint.de wrote: >> Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from? >Forty-two is six times nine. ...for very small values of six and nine. (Sorry, Tom, I couldn't resist...) ";-1;0 "From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) Subject: Re: Gilligan's island, den of iniquity Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 21 beb@pt.com (Bruce Buck) writes: : In article <1993Apr13.011033.23123@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes: : >: >> Gilligan = Sloth : >: >> Skipper = Anger : >: >> Thurston Howell III = Greed : >: >> Lovey Howell = Gluttony : >: >> Ginger = Lust : >: >> Professor = Pride : >: >> Mary Ann = Envy : > : >Assorted Monkeys= Secular Humanism : : Assorted Headhunters - Godless, Heathen Savagery : Russian Agent who looks like Gilligan - Godless Communism : Japanese Sailor - Godless Barbarism : Walter Pigeon - Godless Bird Turd : The Mosquitos (Bingo, Bango, Bongo, Irving) - Godless Rock'n'Roll : Harold Heckuba (Phil Silvers) - Hollywood Hedonism : John McGiver - Butterfly flicking : Tonga, the Fake Apeman - Deceit, Lust : Eva Grubb - Deceit, lust ";-1;0 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups >as we do, so they must have some ""laws"" dictating undesired behavior. Why ""must""? --- "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "" John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word. ";-1;0 "From: s5600043@nickel.laurentian.ca Subject: Re: CD player going wonky - advise needed ! Lines: 18 Organization: Laurentian University In article <1993Apr13.150525.17978@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>, sl@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Stuart Lea) writes: > Hello, > I've got a problem with my CD player (SONY CDP-35) in that it refuses > to play discs - more than a minor inconvenience! The player itself doesn't > recognise that there is a disc in. It's an intermitant problem, but one > that is becoming more frequent. > > Is this a common problem with older CD players and, if so, what > can be done to rectify it ? If there is no obvious answer, how can I begin to > start fault finding. To start off with, How does thet mach recognise that > there is a disc in in the first place ? My experience is that the CD drawer becomes a bit loose, and the CD either skips or can't be read. Try seeing if all the screws that hold down the drawer assembly are tightened properly. Other than that, my next guess would be one of the motors. Hope this helps. Dave Haans, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ontario. ";-1;0 "From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 38 In article 20009@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >>Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment. >>He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you >>ever watch him play? He never made a technical error. > >I watched him over his entire career. I have NEVER seen a player, and that >includes Russell Courtnall and Davie Keon, screw up as many breakaways as >Bob Gainey. And I will never forget the time Denis Potvin caught Gainey >with his head down. You have been sold a bill of goods on Bob Gainey. > >Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things to say about >the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa >Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek >Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri >Richard, Dick Duff...and so on... These players all are pretty good players. They are the depth that the dynasties had to win Stanley Cups. They tend to be the very good second line guys- who would be first liners on most weaker clubs in the NHL. They were all important to their clubs. Probably, several of these Stanley Cup winning teams would not have won the cups they did if it were not for the depth provided by these players. They compare to Rick Tocchet and Ron Francis of the Penguins. Very good players who can lead lesser teams (Francis-Hartford, Tocchet-Philly) who provide the depth to the team that is currently best in the NHL. As a defensive forward, there have been none better than Bob Gainey. That doesn't mean he was the best player (or even the best forward) the Canadians had at that time, but he was excellent at what he did. Gainey could dominate games with his defence. He didn't need to get goals to dominate. He shut down the opposition and was thus valuable. There has never been anyone any better at doing this. Not ever. Gregmeister ";13;1 "From: janzen@lichen.mpr.ca (Martin Janzen) Subject: Re: how to put RPC in HP X/motif environment? Nntp-Posting-Host: lichen Reply-To: janzen@mprgate.mpr.ca Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 30 In article , ianhogg@milli.cs.umn.edu (Ian J. Hogg) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.200740.17615@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> nchan@nova.ctr.columbia.edu (Nui Chan) writes: >>has anybody implements an RPC server in the HP Xwindows? In SUN Xview, there >>is a notify_enable_rpc_svc() call that automatically executes the rpc processes >>when it detects an incoming request. I wonder if there is a similar function in >>HP X/motif that perform the same function. > >I've been using the xrpc package for about a year now. I believe I got it from >export. Glad to hear that it's working for you! I couldn't find it on ""export"". However, Simon Leinen has added an Imakefile and an Athena version, and made it available for FTP in the file liasun3.epfl.ch:/pub/X/contrib/xrpc.tar.z. (Note the "".z"" suffix; you'll need GNU gzip -- also on liasun3 in /pub/gnu -- to uncompress it.) If this doesn't work, send me a note and I'd be happy to mail you a copy; but you probably won't get it until the start of May -- I'm on holidays as of tomorrow! :-) -- Martin Janzen janzen@mprgate.mpr.ca (134.87.131.13) MPR Teltech Ltd. 8999 Nelson Way Burnaby, BC, CANADA V5A 4B5 P.S. Are there any Dublin X folks that want to go for a pint of Guinness at, say, Mulligan's...? ";12;1 "From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) Subject: Re: Creating 8 bit windows on 24 bit display.. How? Organization: The Internet Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu stolk@fwi.uva.nl writes: >> >> A problem occurs when I try to create a window with a visual that is different >> from the visual of the parent (which uses the default visual which is TC24). >> You've got to set border_pixel in your window attributes. The default is CopyFromParent which gives the BadMatch. Do this: ... unsigned long valuemask; ... /* * if border_width is non-zero you'd better alloc a colour from cmap * rather than use any old pixel value. Also, use valuemask, it makes * the code more obvious. */ attr.colormap = cmap; attr.border_pixel = 0; valuemask = CWColormap | CWBorderPixel; win = XCreateWindow( dpy, DefaultRootWindow(dpy), 10,10, width,height, 0, /* border width. see comment below */ 8, /* depth */ InputOutput, /* class */ vinfo.visual, /* visual */ valuemask, &attr ); A note on border_width: your code looked like this: >> win = XCreateWindow( >> dpy, >> DefaultRootWindow(dpy), >> 10,10, >> width,height, >> CopyFromParent, /* border width */ >> 8, /* depth */ >> InputOutput, /* class */ >> vinfo.visual, /* visual */ >> CWColormap, >> &attr >> ); border_width set to CopyFromParent works but doesn't make sense. border_width should be an unsigned int. You get away with it because CopyFromParent is #define'ed to be zero in X.h. If it happened to be defined as -1 you'd get a very interesting looking window! Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk) Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd. ";-1;0 "From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood) Subject: Re: MORE Western Digital HD info needed Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) writes: `My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with `another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right `on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ?? Well, I figured out how the jumpers go. Now I have quite a different problem that has me perplexed like you wouldn't know. I have both drives working, the C: system formatted and all of my hardware installed. Only problem is, that during the boot up sequence, the computer does not want to pass up looking for a system on the A: drive. Reinitialization all goes fine and the BIOS seems to be configured to what is necessary. All the drive tests work, but when the thing comes back around to the a: drive and there is no disk present, it just spins. If you insert a disk into drive a with a system however, it works fine and boots up (ie how installed all my software) Any additional help on this will be most welcome.... swood -- Hunting over in Michigan? Don't Despair - NO CLOSED SEASON ON: opossum, porcupine, weasel, red squirrel, skunk, starlings, feral pigeons, English sparrows, ground squirrel & woodchuck Anyway trout season opens the last Saturday this month. ";-1;0 "From: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Reply-To: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) says: >In article <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >>In article amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes: >>>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: > >>>Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a ""Neutral >>>Observer"" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier? > There are many cases, but I do not remeber names. The Isralis shot and killed a UN observer in Gaza in the first half of Intifada. I believe that most of the world has seen pictures of Israeli soldiers who were breaking the cameras of the reporters, kicking reporters out, confiscating cassettes, and showing reporters militery orders preventing them from going to hot areas to pick pictures and make reports. ";-1;0 "From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) Subject: Re: Selective Placebo Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: fred.bbn.com ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) writes: |JB> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: |JB> |JB> Ron Roth recommends: ""Once you have your hypoglycemia CONFIRMED through the |JB> proper channels, you might consider the following:..."" |JB> [diet omitted] |JB> |JB> 1) Ron...what do YOU consider to be ""proper channels""...this sounds suspiciously | I'm glad it caught your eye. That's the purpose of this forum to | educate those, eager to learn, about the facts of life. That phrase | is used to bridle the frenzy of all the would-be respondents, who | otherwise would feel being left out as the proper authorities to be | consulted on that topic. In short, it means absolutely nothing. An apt description of the content of just about all ronroth's posts to date. At least there's entertainment value (though it is diminishing). ";-1;0 "From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi"") writes: >What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I >can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but >20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? You make it sound like this behavior is new. It isn't. A lot of pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to make this kind of think a lot harder to do. I don't understand the mentality myself, but then again I couldn't figure out MOVE! (I'm glad they bombed 'em) or the Waco Wackos either. (Newsgroup list trimmed significantly) jim frost jimf@centerline.com ";10;1 "Subject: Snooper..any opinions From: Keith Whitehead Distribution: world Organization: Apple Source BBS X-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version Lines: 16 Has anyone use Snooper or MacEKG or any other similar diagnostic software.Any comparisons/reviews on these products would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help Cheers -- ========================================================================== : Sir@office.acme.gen.nz : : : : Be thankfull that we dont get all the government we pay for! : ========================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: wong@ws13.webo.dg.com (E. Wong) Subject: Help with 24bit mode for ATI Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro, MA Lines: 16 I finally got the vesa driver for my ATI graphics ultra plus (2M). However, when I tried to use this to view under 24bit mode, I get lines on the picture. With 16bit or below, the picture is fine. Can someone tell me what was wrong? Is it the card, or is it the software? -- Thanks 8) _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ user's name: Edward Wong Internet: wong@ws13.webo.dg.com telephone: (508) 870-9352 ";-1;0 "From: kkerr@MK (Kevin Kerr) Subject: Re: WFAN Lines: 41 Nntp-Posting-Host: kerr.dseg.ti.com Organization: ENGINEERING AUTOMATION In article philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: >From: philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) >Subject: Re: WFAN >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:19:09 GMT >In article <1993Apr15.151202.3551@Virginia.EDU> jja2h@Virginia.EDU ("""") writes: >>Does any one out there listen to WFAN? For those of you who do >>not know what I am talking about, it is an all sports radio >>staion in New York. On a clear night the signal reaches up and >>down the East coast. In particular, I want to know how Len >>Berman and Mike Lupica's show is. I go to school in Virginia >>so I can't listen when there are on during the day. Just >>wondering. >The FAN is an okay Sports Radio station, but doesn't come close to >the ULTIMATE in Sports Radio, 610 WIP in Philadelphia. The signal >might not be as powerful, but then again only stations in New York >feel ""obligated"" to pollute everyone else's airwaves with a bunch of >hoodlum Mets fans complaining 24 hours a day. WIP took two of your >best sports jockeys too, Jody MacDonald and Steve Fredericks. 610 >WIP is rockin with sports talk from 5:30 AM till midnight, check it >out anytime your within a few hours of Philadelphia. If I'm not >mistaken, WIP has the highest sports talk ratings in the nation? I'm from Dallas, and you have alot of nerve saying that WFAN has a bunch of Hoodlum Mets fans. During the football season, the local cowboy station here had the WIP on several times for simultanious broadcasts. I have never heard a bigger bunch of low intellect, bed wetting ,obnoxious, woofing, cranial deformed, assholes in my entire life! The IQ of the average eagles fan must be in the 10-15 range at best, and they have been known to be big droolers. (Please no flames) ... ;-) ========================================================================= | Kevin P. Kerr kkerr@mkcase1.dseg.ti.com | # | | | S.A.B.R member since '92 GO YANKEES !!! GO DOLPHINS !!! | | | | ""Strolling through cyberspace, sniffing the electric wind...."" | ========================================================================= ";-1;0 "From: jwg@SEDV1.acd4.acd.com (jwg) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... In-Reply-To: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU's message of 20 Apr 93 17:50:58 GMT Organization: /u/jwg/.organization <1r1d62$d6s@agate.berkeley.edu> Lines: 21 In article <1r1d62$d6s@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes: >How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local >agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless? Hear, hear! Thanks, Robbie. You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds, who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers. I didn't know George Bush could drive a bulldozer. Kee-ripe. jim grey jwg@acd4.acd.com ";-1;0 "From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 49 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB/s. >SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB/s. >IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. >ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions) The above does not tell the proper story of SCSI: SCSI-I: 8-bit asynchronous {~1.5MB/s ave}, synchronous {5MB/s max} transfer base. SCSI-1{faster} this requires a SCSI-2 controller chip and provides SCSI-2 {8-bit to 16-bit} speeds with SCSI-1 controlers. SCSI-2: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst{8-bit}, 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst {16-bit}, and 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst{32-bit/wide and fast}. 16-bit SCSI can be wide or fast, it depends on how the port is designed{The Quadras will support fast SCSI but not wide when the OS SCSI manager is rewritten since the Quardas use a SCSI-1 {non-wide} port}. The article in PC Mag 4/27/93:29 was talking about SCSI-1 {SCSI-2 uses TEN (10) devices in it native mode, outside its native mode it behaves a lot like SCSI-1 (7 devices, slower through put} From your own figures SCSI-1 is indeed twice ESDI as the article pointed out as for ""20% faster then IDE"" that seems to be 8-bit SCSI-1 using a SCSI-2 contoler chip {The Mac Quadra uses a SCSI-2 controler chip for its SCSI-1 and gets 6MB/s through put for asynchronous {8-bit} SCSI-1, far in excess of a normal SYNCHRONOUS SCSI-1 output} 120% of 8.3 is 9.96 which is near the burst of a SCSI-1 machine with a SCSI-2 controller chip. The PC world seems to have SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 mixed up. Fact is SCSI-2 controler chips allow near SCSI-2 speeds through a SCSI-1 device {As shown in the Mac Quadra} which skews some of the data of SCSI-1 vs IDE or ESDI test. I agree that the article COULD have stated that the ""20% faster then IDE"" came off a SCSI-1 device with a SCSI-2 chip. Maybe it was there and the EDITOR killed it because the article was dealing with SCSI-1 NOT SCSI-2 and he did not understand the effect of a SCSI-1 device with a SCSI-2 controller chip. SCSI-1 chips are limited to 5/MB max. SCSI-1 devices with SCSI-2 chips {becoming common} produce up to 10Mb/s in 8-bit mode and 20MB/s in 16-bit mode {the fast version, SCSI-1 ports cannot use wide SCSI}. Of cource the prime piece of wierdness is that SCSI-1 devices HAVE SCSI-2 chips {or more accurately the machine does}. This allows the best of BOTH worlds: high SCSI-2 speeds and cheeper SCSI-1 costs {FULL SCSI-2 hardware (port, electronic controller, etc) is VERY expensive. It ALSO creates a logistic NIGHTMARE as to how fast SCSI-1 goes. When one knows the FACTS behind the numbers then one realizes that the article knows what it is talking about {even if it does not tell HOW the figures came about} while DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu is throwing out ranges that don't tell SQUAT {Since he IGNORES SCSI-1 devices with SCSI-2 chips his ranges tell even LESS then intended.} } ";-1;0 "From: Thomas Kephart Subject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message? Organization: Case School of Engineering Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sun, 18 Apr 93 20:09:41 GMT In article Les Ferch, ferch@ucs.ubc.ca writes: > Afterall, Apple's literature is not always 100% correct. A funny one I > noticed recently is that some of the brochures on the Macs with CD > capability refer to the ""auto inkjet"" feature. This should have read ""auto > inject"" feature (as it does on some other correct brochures I've seen from > Apple). Since it was correct on some older brochures, I can only guess > that someone edited the copy, saw ""inject"" and thought it was a typo and > changed it to the more familiar word ""inkjet"". > > Hmmm, what would that be? A printer built into the CD player? A way of > *writing* information to a CD? :-) :-) How do you think they get the cool images on the top serface of CD's anyway? They gotta have something to do the top surface artwork... ";-1;0 "From: rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility Lines: 38 In article , bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes: > > >I am also concerned by this prevalence of Motif, particularly from the > >point of view of writing and obtaining free software. As the Linux and > >386BSD communities grow, however, I think that Motif will lose some of > >its grip, at least in the non-commercial marketplace. > > Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about > $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to > redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups > pertaining to Motif has been high. > > >I just wonder if this will also cause a divergence between commercial > >and non-commercial software (ie. you will only get free software using > >Athena or OpenLook widget sets, and only get commercial software using > >the Motif widget sets). > > I can't see why. If just about every workstation will come with Motif > by default and you can buy it for under $100 for the ""free"" UNIX > platforms, I can't see this causing major problems. > I think you will find that the active Linux and 386BSD communities are populated by enthusiasts who would object to paying *any* money for software. Otherwise, they would probably have gone for a commercial Unix. An important factor in the Linux community is that source code is always available (this is probably similar in the 386BSD community, however, I'm not really involved there). Many people using Linux like to stay at the cutting (bleeding) edge: ie. when kernel patches, C library or compiler patches come out, people like to rebuild their entire systems. The prime requirement for all Linux software is that it is available under a GNU style public license. Hence, Linux software uses either the Athena widgets or XView. Individuals may write software requiring Motif, but I doubt it is widely adopted. Regards, Richard Gooch.... ";-1;0 "From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 33 In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >In <11825@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: > > >> Actually, my atheism is based on ignorance. Ignorance of the >> existence of any god. Don't fall into the ""atheists don't believe >> because of their pride"" mistake. > >How do you know it's based on ignorance, couldn't that be wrong? Why would it >be wrong >to fall into the trap that you mentioned? > If I'm wrong, god is free at any time to correct my mistake. That he continues not to do so, while supposedly proclaiming his undying love for my eternal soul, speaks volumes. As for the trap, you are not in a position to tell me that I don't believe in god because I do not wish to. Unless you can know my motivations better than I do myself, you should believe me when I say that I earnestly searched for god for years and never found him. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ";9;1 "From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18 Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 12 Re: Rubbing Compound.... You mean Meguire's* didn't work? * THE DOD magic elixir of choice for plastic stuff Ron Miller DoD 693 ";7;1 "From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Wayne Orwig) Subject: Re: Antifreeze/coolant Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: worwig.atlantaga.ncr.com Organization: NCR Corporation X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0 In Article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com> ""behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)"" says: > For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion, > what brand of coolant do you use and why? I am looking for aluminum-safe > coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon. > (Can you believe it: the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official > Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!! No way I'm paying that usury...) > > Thanks, > -- > Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady > behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike > Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name > agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. > I thought that all coolants were aluminum safe any more. But I would like to know more since I must tear down my Kawasaki (again I must add). ";7;1 "From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 96 / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) / 8:51 pm Apr 12, 1993 / >I think most of us would rather be held up with a knife than with a gun, >but HOW THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO MANAGE THAT? You still haven't offered I've been watching this knife verses gun bit for a while now, (even contributed a few comments) but this stuff ""I'd rather face a knife than a gun"" has GOT to come from ignorance! I used to think pretty much the same thing, then I got 'educated.' People do not as a rule understand how deadly knives can be, or how quickly you can be killed with one. Most people don't understand that it takes less than an inch of penetration in some areas to cause quick (within a minute or so) death. The death rates from handguns and knives are within a few percentage points of each other. Many people not realizing how deadly knives are 'try their luck' and thus more get injured by knives. A gun is deadly only in a single direction and it's only advantage is that it is a remote control weapon. A contact weapon such as a knife controls a spherical area 7 to 10 feet in diameter. Most people have never seen knife wounds, aside from slicing a finger by accident. From 21 feet or so, a knife is very nearly an even match for a holstered gun in experienced hands, even if the knife wielder has only moderate skill. From inside 10 feet or so, a knife is a match for a DRAWN gun. A knife is utterly silent, it never jams and never runs out of ammunition. It is limited only by the speed, dexterity skill and ability of it's wielder. Criminals in general are young, fast and strong. It's interesting to note that the patterned slashing attacks used by many martial artists remarkably resemble the wild uncontrolled slashing attacks of novices. I've talked to several well trained martial artists. They have unanimously agreed that if they ever go up against a knife they simply plan on being cut, hopefully not as bad as the attacker. Practicing with firearms requires facilities and equipment. Practicing with knives requires only a small area and something to simulate a knife, say a popsicle stick or tooth brush. Criminals practice their knife attacks in prison. If you have not trained against knives with a firearm and do not realize these facts the first inkling you will have that something is wrong is the knife ripping through your throat, or in the case of an experienced attacker, parts of your body falling off onto the ground. A 60 year old man with arthritis can close that 7 yard distance and gut you in about one and a half seconds. Dennis Tueller with a broken leg in a walking cast managed it in two. I've seen people close that distance and strike in 1 second. I'm old, over weight and slow. I can do it in 1.3 seconds. I've seen morgue footage of people killed with edged weapons that you would not believe. (How about a single stab wound to the chest with a TABLE FORK! In this case the attacker used the HANDLE, not the pointed end.) Add to this the 'fact' that hand gun 'stopping' power is largely a myth. Except in the case of a central nervous system shot, or a round that destroys the skeletal structure, it takes anywhere from 3 to twelve seconds for a bullet wound to 'take effect.' This is true of even heart shots. There is the case of the police woman in L.A., the first recorded survivor of a .357 shot to the heart. That lady not only killed her attacker, but chased him down to do it! All four of her shots, fired after SHE had been shot, struck the perp. Atta girl! The bullet entered her on a downward angle, went through the apex of her heart, down through the diaphragm, clipped her liver and destroyed her spleen. It then exited her back leaving a tennis ball sized hole. She died about six times on the operating table, but was out of the hospital in 15 days and was back on full duty in eight months! She was off duty at the time and not wearing her vest. She was on her way home so happened to have her gun. No, she doesn't think civilians should have the same rights. Sigh. The moral of the story is that even if you DO manage to shoot a knife attacker, you'd better be planning on doing some dodging. A good alternative is to shoot for and break the pelvis. People can often walk (a little) on broken legs but a broken pelvis will nearly always anchor them. Many firearms schools recommend pelvis shots against contact weapons. The target is as large as the traditional 'center of mass' and is more reliable to STOP somebody with a contact weapon, assuming a caliber powerful enough to 'do the job.' Hot .38's on up will usually do this. Remember folks, the idea isn't to 'take em with you' but for you to live and them to fail, whatever the consequences for them. This the reason 'killing them' isn't our goal, or in many cases even good enough to keep us alive. I don't want to face a violent attack of any sort. Knowing what I now know, I can't rightly say I'd rather face a knife than an gun. It would have to depend on the attacker, and if I could pick and choose, I WOULDN'T BE THERE. This is really the bottom line. Criminals do not fear the law. Criminals do not fear the weapon. They fear the citizen behind the weapon that has shown the resolution and determination to do whatever it takes. Rick. ";-1;0 "From: jmg@dxcoms.cern.ch (J.M. Gerard) Subject: Re: Xterm w. ansi color/mouse support Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics Lines: 24 brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) writes: >In article <1993Apr4.183419.584@vms.huji.ac.il> klony@vms.huji.ac.il writes: >< >< ><> the mit x11 r4 and r5 both provide mouse escape sequences now. There ><> are several color xterm enhancements on export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib . >< >I also found it on uunet in /pub/window-sys/X/contrib, for those that can >only do anonuucp (like me). But I noticed that the thing is dated 9/12/90, >making it over two years old. Is this really the latest version? Are we talking about an xterm which would accept the same escape sequences as that for VT340 (or colour decterm/dxterm)? I thought that was called colxterm (and my testing of it shows some oddities that might be bugs or might be my program going wrong). I'm also unsure of what is meant by ""ansi mouse xterm""! ";-1;0 "From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 27 In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri tes: >In article <1993Apr16.171354.3127@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.a cs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >> >>However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to be >>bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. > >I don't find this silly at all. I find it silly (black humor) that we're >spending billions of dollars and risking the lives and freedoms of every >American to save a bunch of by-choice druggies... > >Could you please tell us WHY you find this silly. That's, WHY, letters >""W"", ""H"" and ""Y"", rather than arguments like ""oh, _everbody_ thinks such and >such is true"". First, the only drug that could possibly be put in drug stations are marijuana or its derivitives. Every other drug that I can think of can kill you if you take to much. (By the very nature of these drugs, your decision making skills aren't up to par. That is how it differs from asprin, flinstone vitamins, etc. We don't even allow penicilin to be sold over the counter.) Second, we already have a big enough drunk driving and alchoholic problem in this country. If marijuana were legal, undoubtedly more people would use it, and that IS a problem. People use it, get stupid, and hurt other people. Ryan ";-1;0 "From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) Subject: Re: Clipper Crypto Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering Lines: 26 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: ellisun.sw.stratus.com Keywords: crypto, EFF I sent a response to the White House at 0005895485@MCIMAIL.COM (White House) and received a nice, automatic reply from MICMAIL noting, in passing, that if I had included a SNail address, I would get a reply in due course. For those who care, my reply was: 1. yes, let's protect the voice network 2. privately-developed crypto has always been available and always will be -- so let's think about how to do law enforcement given that fact not about how to hope to legislate against it 3. my needs for crypto as a system designer are not met by the Clipper Chip. I want freely to export uses of algorithms (like DES & RSA) which are already freely available in the destination country -- - <> - Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com - Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783 - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488 ";-1;0 "From: aharris@athena.cs.uga.edu (Austin Harris) Subject: BC200XLT Handheld Radio Scanner Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Distribution: usa Lines: 12 Hello, I have a BC200XLT handheld radio scanner which recieves police, fire, ambulance, aircraft, cordless and cellular phone, etc. The unit is in original condition and comes with the manual, the power supply and battery charger. Price is $200 plus s/h. Austin Harris aharris@athena.cs.uga.edu ";-1;0 "From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte) Subject: Re: Whither QuickDraw Performance (across product line) Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 26 In daves@xetron.com (Dave Steele) writes: >The fastest QuickDraw color performing computer Apple makes is the >(drumroll please) LCIII. And the Color Classic ranks right up there with >the Quadra line. The Centris line pales in comparison. >Does anybody know the differences in these computers that explains the >disparity in graphics/processor performance? I think you are suffering from some alignment or color table or problems, if a Color Classic is as fast as a Quadra rendering to screen. What screen card you use does of course matter much (built-in video is almost always faster than NuBus) Or you measured ""scroll entire screen"" where the Color Classic had a VRAM 10"" screen in 4-bit color and the Quadra had a 21"" 24-bit screen on NuBus :-) Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- This sig less than 3 lines: Improve the UseNet S/N ratio! ";-1;0 "From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Serial Line connection between Duo 210 and PC??? Organization: DSO, Stanford University Lines: 41 In article <19930419.062907.155@almaden.ibm.com> petrack@vnet.IBM.COM writes: > I have tried almost everything under the sun to get a null modem connection > between a Mac Duo 210 and a PC. I have used MacKermit and VersaTerm on > the Mac side. I have used Procomm, Kermit, and Softerm (on OS/2) on > the PC (or PS) side. I have used non-Hardware handshaking and hardware > ahdshaking cables. And know MY hands are shaking from the effort. Nothing > has allowed file transfers from the Mac to the PS. .. > Could I hear from someone attesting that they can really pump information > out the serial port of a Duo 210 fast? Like via a modem or via a > sys-ex dump? > > Could anyone with a Duo help me out?? I am going absolutely INSANE. > I wanna know if the problem is MY Duo, or all Duo 210s, or all Duos, > or just me. > Hmmm... Sounds vaguely similar to a problem I had a long time ago when I was trying to use Kermit. I was building a serial connection between my Duo 210 and my NeXT. I think the problem was in the handshaking. Basically, you need to make sure that the handshaking protocol is the same on both sides. A safe place to start is by selecting NO handshaking on either end. One problem is that the Zilog serial chip seems to get permanently wedged if you talk to it wrong, and only a reset will clear it. I don't know the specifics. But this could be a nonlinearity that screws up your attempts at debugging the system. It could very well be that you are doing things right--eventually-- but one wrong move (like trying a bad handshaking protocol) can screw up any further correct actions, until the next machine reset. I have wedged my Mac and also my NeXT that way. Now I can send files back and forth between the Duo and the NeXT without any problem, and at pretty high speeds too. I don't know what kind of chip the PC uses, but I think the Zilog 8530 is pretty standard. Hope this helps, -Avery ";-1;0 "From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) Subject: Re: Remember those names come election time. Nntp-Posting-Host: c.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA Keywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government Lines: 34 In article anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >I said: > In article nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: > > > > Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement > > there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or > > (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia. Non-whites > > don't count? > > Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are > ""oil rich"", ""loaded with petro-dollars"", etc so they don't count. > >...and let's not forget Somalia, which is about as far from white as it >gets. And why are we in Somalia? When right across the Gulf of Aden are some of the wealthiest Arab nations on the planet? Why does the US always become the point man for this stuff? I don't mind us helping out; but what invariably happens is that everybody expects us to do most of the work and take most of the risks, even when these events are occuring in other people's back yards, and they have the resources to deal with them quite well, thank you. I mean, it's not like either Serbia, or Somalia represent some overwhelming military force that their neighbors can't handle. Nor are the logistics a big deal -- it's a lot bigger logistical challenge to get troops and supplies from New York to Somalia, than from Saudi Arabia; harder to go from Texas to Serbia, than Turkey or Austria to Serbia. ---peter ";-1;0 "From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) Subject: Re: Its still cold, but... Expires: 30 Apr 93 05:00:00 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma. Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr6.224037.28921@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: >I tend to keep my bedroom window open during the winter and have woken >up to find frost on my bedspread, but I still get cold below about >30F. Usually on the part that sticks out of the bottom of my helmet. >Maybe it's time to get a NOJ quiet rider. Cool - I conjure up this image of BD in Doonesbury...so Dean, how long have you been sleeping with your helmet on?? Rich Bemben - DoD #0044 rbemben@timewarp.prime.com 1977 750 Triumph Bonneville (617) 275-1800 x 4173 ""Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect us from the evil men do in the name of good"" ";-1;0 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: ""clipper chip"" Lines: 30 From: ""dan mckinnon"" I have lurked here a bit lately, and though some of the math is unknown to me, found it interesting. I thought I would post an article I found in the Saturday, April 17, 1993 Toronto Star: 'CLIPPER CHIP' to protect privacy Politics is of course Dirty Pool, old man, and here we have a classic example: the NSA and the administration have been working on this for a *long* time, and in parallel with the announcement to us techies, we see they're hitting the press with propoganda. It's my bet the big magazines - Byte, Scientific American, et all - will be ready to run with a pre-written government-slanted story on this in the next issue. ('Just keep us some pages spare boys, we'll give you the copy in time for the presses') We *must* get big names in the industry to write well argued pieces against this proposal (can you call it that when it's a de facto announcement?) and get them into the big magazines before too much damage is done. It would be well worth folks archiving all the discussions from here since the day of the announcement to keep all the arguments at our fingertips. I think between us we could write quite a good piece. Now, who among us carries enough clout to guarantee publication? Phil? Don Parker? Mitch Kapor? G ";-1;0 "From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard? Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 31 (MODERATOR: THIS IS A REPLACEMENT FOR AN EARLIER, MORE CLUMSILY WORDED SUBMISSION ON THE SAME TOPIC WHICH I SUBMITTED A FEW MINUTES AGO.) I think we need to distinguish etymology from meaning. Regardless of how the word 'Easter' *originated*, the fact is that it does not *now* mean anything to Christians other than 'the feast day of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ'. The meaning of a word is _only_ what people understand it to mean. And the same goes for other cultural practices. The festival of Easter may possibly have some historical association with some pagan festival, but *today* there are, as far as I know, no Christians who *intend* to honor any kind of ""pagan goddess"" by celebrating Easter. It is nonsense to say ""this word (or this practice) 'really' means so- and-so even though nobody realizes it."" Words and practices don't mean things, people do. (This is basic semantics; I'm a linguist; they pay me to think about things like this.) -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< [Further, Easter is specific to English. In many other languages, the word used is based on Passover or resurrection. Is it OK to celebrate it in countries using those languages, but not in those using English? --clh] ";17;1 "From: donath@math.uiowa.edu (Matt Donath) Subject: US Robotics 14.4 modem Originator: donath@oak.math.uiowa.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: oak.math.uiowa.edu Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 5 Reply to haljordan@delphi.com or call 708 674-2603: U.S. Robotics 16.8 Dual standard, V.32 bis, 14.4k baud, 16.8 hst. Price: $449. ";8;1 "From: christyo@cae.wisc.edu (Buddy Christyono) Subject: Summary: DoubleDisk Gold v 6.0 Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 98 Hi Netters, As promised, here are the summary of opinions on DoubleDisk Gold v.6.0. People seem to be quite happy with the product. There is no much of opinion on how good it is compared to the industry leader Stacker 3.0. (Superstor Pro is not considered since it is slower than Stacker although just as reliable - BYTE Magazine's conclusion ;-) ), so it's hard to make any decision to go with Stacker or with DoubleDisk Gold v6.0. However, it seems that at $39.95, it is quite a buy. Buddy Christyono buddy@optics.ece.wisc.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- summary of replies ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Buddy, I do not have DD Gold 6.0 experience. I just ordered it. I currently have DD 2.3 (the last version). I am very pleased with its performance. Here is my suggestion... 1) If you do not have any compression software currently, I would go with DOS 6.0's compression. All the discussion on the net indicates that for $50 you get the compression (built into the OS), plus the other utilities that you would pay way more than $50 for. Besides, you are now at DOS6.0 (whatever that means...) 2) If you have DoubleDisk 2.3 already (like I do), the cost is $29.95 for the upgrade. After thinking about it and asking the net, I decided that I could not go wrong with the update cost! I have never suffered from performance of DD. I have a 12ms HD with large SW packages in both compressed and uncompressed format. It works great. Not delays. I think the ""A"" is better than ""B"" arguements are a lot of bunk... they are all comparable in performance. I am looking forward to being able to ""LOADHIGH"" the DD sw. That has been an annoyance. 3) If you have Stacker, et.al. currently, I would not see it worth the effort to upgrade. Just my $.02 ... Regards, Mark Bagdy ---------------------------------------------------------------- Buddy, I got the same mailer. About 2 weeks ago I got DDG and installed it. The documentation was, in my opinion, easy to follow. I used the automatic installation (not the custom) and everything went smoothly. There were some specific instructions on a readme file for dealing with 386max & QEMM. DDG has an uninstall (unlike DOS6.0) if you need it. My system has a 203Mb hard drive. before installing DDG I had ~5Mb free. After DDG I had ~197Mb free. Pretty good statistics considering that my 8Mb permanent windows swap file stayed on the uncompressed portion (along with other drivers and such). I have had no problems whatsoever. I have noticed no slowdown (other than it takes a little longer to boot) either in windows or dos. So far I am a very happy camper. -Bruce -- Bruce F. Steinke | ""Never know when you're going to bsteinke@dsd.es.com | need a good piece of rope."" Software Technical Support Engineer | Sam Gamgee Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have been using DoubleDisk Gold for a little more than a month on a 486DX 33Mhz, 120MB Seagate drive, running DOS & Windows in 386 enhanced mode. I ran some tests and concluded that the speed of a DoubleDisk drive with a drive read cache is about equal to the bare drive without a cache. I have no complaints about reliability. It was very easy to install. The only problem I had was with Castle Wolfenstein 3-D. I assumed the game was trying to bypass DOS disk access and moved the game to the non-compressed region of the disk. Since then the game has never given me a problem. There was never any damage to the DoubleDisk drive. Compression performance for the whole disk has held steady around 1.8:1. This is lower than expected but about 20% (size) of my files are compressed image files and some large zip files. If you have any more specific questions let me know. Dan --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I bought it an have been happy with it. I use it on both MFM and IDE 40 MB drives. I was using DoubleDisk before Gold came out. That is the same product MSDOS 6.0 is shipping with. No problems with either product. -- Ron Bjornseth bjornset@pogo.den.mmc.com /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// -------------------- END OF MESSAGES -------------------------------------- ";5;1 "From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) Subject: Tape Backup Question Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] X-Posted-From: asteroid.msi.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 18 Hello folks! I have an Archive XL5580 (internal QIC-80) tape drive, which is pretty comparable to the Colorado Jumbo 250. Since I have two floppy drives in my system, I'm using a small card (not accelerated) made by Archive to attach my tape drive as a third floppy device. The problem: Although the DOS-based QICstream software works just fine, both the Norton and Central Point backup programs for Windows fail unless I switch the machine to non-turbo speed (I'm using a 486DX/33 EISA). Since the DOS software works, it can't be a hardware problem, can it? Has anyone seen similar problems? Any solutions? Thanks in advance. -- +-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+ | JERRY J. SHEKHEL | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages | | Drummers do it... | Burlington, MA USA | in my book of memories. | | ... In rhythm! | jerry@msi.com | -- Guns N' Roses | +-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18 Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Gerald Olchowy (golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) writes: > Podein is an interesting case...because he was eligible to > play in Cape Breton in the AHL playoffs like Kovalev, Zubov, > and Andersson...obviously Sather and Pocklington are not > the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be...certainly > in this case they've massively outclassed Paramount and the > New York Rangers. What is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus WC? I know that the Rangers are holding back Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson for Binghamton, but I also know that the Whalers wanted Michael Nylander to play for Springfield, while Nylander wanted to play for Sweden. The Whalers allowed the NHL to decide, and the NHL chose the WCs. How does this differ from the Rangers and Oilers? Did the Whalers have to go through the league, or could they have forced Nylander to play in Springfield? -SG ";-1;0 "From: john@wa3wbu.UUCP (John Gayman) Subject: Another happy Gateway owner Organization: WA3WBU, Marysville, PA Lines: 43 Since I've been seeing all kinds of complaints regarding Gateways lately on here, I thought I post my recent pleasant experiences. My machine (4DX2-66V) this past Friday. This was two weeks to the DAY from when I called the order in. Upon unboxing it I found everything to be in perfect order. All the peripherals I ordered were properly installed (Jumbo-250 & CD-ROM). I was very impressed with the quantity and quality of the Gateway documentation. All software came with the original disks and manuals. The Gateway manual itself is in a nice 3-ring binder. The ATI GUP came with build59 drivers. All other software I specified (Microsoft Office) was properly installed. The machine came right up out of the box and has been performing flawlessly. It's been on all weekend and it hardly even reaches room temperature. I think the big roomy tower case has a lot to do with it. It's up and running DOS 6.0 with no problems. I've also read about some people having problems with high speed serial communications. I used the DOS 6.0 InterLink program which lets me link to my old computer via a serial port at 115.2K baud. It then ""maps"" the other machines two hard disks as my disks F & G. You can ""cd"" to these drives and either run programs or copy files. It's almost like a peer-peer lan except you can also *run* programs on the other machine. It's not a two way street. The other machine is the server and this machine is the client. So thats where it seems to differ from the peer to peer stuff. For a bundled DOS utility its very impressive. My Jumbo-250 took about 11 minutes to back up 117MB of data. I also by-passed any potential Gateway monitor problems by taking the $430 credit and applying it towards a NEC 4FG. I love this monitor! So, I'm glad there is some good news Gateway stories and I'm glad it was me. (Now if it just KEEPS working). :-) John -- John Gayman, WA3WBU UUCP: uunet!wa3wbu!john Packet: WA3WBU @ WB3EAH ";-1;0 "From: adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) Subject: ATM Organization: University of California at San Diego Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu I've been reading, with much confusion, about whether or not to use ATManager. Lately, all the packages I've been buying have all included ATManager as a ""bonus"" I do some desktop publishing using PageMaker and Coreldraw. Coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff types. Add that to the TTfonts that come with win31 and you have a decent amount of fonts. I print my creations out on an HP4 Postcript, at 600 dpi resolution with the ""Resolution Enhancement Technology"" and .. well ... I get some darn good copies. So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these better printer technologies ... and TT? -- -- avDean ";6;1 "From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: AHL Season in review (off ice stuff) Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 114 Nntp-Posting-Host: craft.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Here is a review of some of the off-ice things that have affected the AHL this year. ST JOHN'S MAPLE LEAFS PROBLEMS The St John's Maple Leafs sophomore season has been plagued by problems. On-ice, the Leafs won the Atlantic Division title but off ice was less happy. A strike by public workers has forced the leafs out of the Newfoundland city for much of the last half of the seaosn (since mid-Jan). They have played ""home"" games in places like Montreal, Cornwall and Charlottetown. Their playoff ""home"" games will be played in the Metro Center in Halifax, NS. One demostration got violent. Workers attacked a Leafs' bus and rocked it and broke windows in the St John's Memorial Stadium. Despite the problems, Toronto officials insist that the Leafs will return to St John's once the strike ends. =================================================== SENATORS SOLD The New Haven Senators have been sold by Peter Shipman to the Ottawa Senators NHL organization. They are the only Canadian NHL team with an American AHL affiliate, and have made it clear they intend to move the team to somewhere in the Canadian Atlantic Provinces. This sale and move has yet to be approved by the AHL head office, but is expected to pass easily at the general meeting in May. The quote in the story from Jack Butterfield made it clear the league was more interested in the stability of the AHL franchise accompanied by NHL ownership, rather than maintaining the 56-year history of the AHL in New Haven. The Senators are currently in serious negotiations with Charlottetown New Brunswick and are expected to move there. ================================================== DALLAS HELPS HAWKS STAY IN MONCTON After announcing that they would pull their affiliation out of Moncton, the Winnipeg Jets changed their mind. The Jets announced the move when they said that they would be slashing their minor league roster from 20-something to around a dozen; and they wanted to share with an existing AHL or IHL franchise. Enter the Dallas Lone Stars. Dallas agreed to supply the remaining 6 or 8 players to the Moncton franchise. Thus keeping the Hawks in the New Brunswick city. The deal is for one year and will be extended to three years if the season ticket base increases to over 3000. The Hawks only sold 1400 for this year. ============================================================ SAINT JOHN FLAMES OFFICIAL The Calgary Flames have officially signed a deal with the city of Saint John, NB. The Saint John Blue Flames will play in the 6200 Exhibition Center. The Flames still have to apply for an expansion frnachise from the AHL but are expected to have no trouble. ========================================================= CAPS FOLLOW JACKS TO MAINE Despite rumors to the contrary, the Capitals will follow the Baltimore Skipjacks to Maine. The Caps' current farm team, the Baltimore Skipjacks, announced that they would move to Maine and become the Portland Pirates. There was much doubt as to if the Caps would follow but they announced a limited deal with Portland. They would supply a dozen or so players including 2 goalies. They become the third team to announce a limited farm team along with Moncton and the Capital District Islanders. ====================================================== AHL GAME OF THE WEEK In early January, the AHL started a game of the week. The game, produced by, I believe, Pyman Productions, was televised across the Canadian Maritimes and northeastern US. The first few weeks saw two games of the week, one in Canada and another in the US but since then, there has been only one. Sunday afternoon and night games were covered and shown on Sportschannel NY and NE in the US and, I believe, Atlantic Sports Network in Canada (but I'm not sure about that). I am not sure if playoff games will be covered. ===================================================== UTICA GONE? SYRACUSE ADDED? There were heavy rumors that the Utica Devils will not be around next season. There were rumors that they might be headed to a midwestern city and that the city of Syracuse is trying to lure them. ===================================================== WHAT THE AHL MIGHT LOOK LIKE NEXT YEAR ONE OPTION ANOTHER OPTION Northern Division Southern Division ADIRONDACK RED WINGS ADIRONDACK SPRINGFIELD INDIANS SPRINGFIELD PROVIDENCE BRUINS PROVIDENCE CD ISLANDERS CDI PORTLAND PIRATES HERSHEY BINGHAMTON Southern Division ROCHESTER HERSHEY BEARS HAMILTON BINGHAMTON RANGERS UTICA ROCHESTER AMERICANS HAMILTON CANUCKS Atlantic Division UTICA (?) DEVILS PORTLAND ST JOHN'S Atlantic Division SAINT JOHN ST JOHN'S MAPLE LEAFS MONCTON MONCTON HAWKS HALIFAX HALIFAX CITADELS FREDERICTON CAPE BRETON OILERS CAPE BRETON FREDERICTON CANADIENS CHARLOTTETOWN SAINT JOHN BLUE FLAMES CHARLOTTETOWN SENATORS (move is unofficial as yet) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + + AHL and ECAC contact for rec.sport.hockey Go USA Hockey! + + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 + + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champ: '66 '91 '93 + + Glens Falls High School, Division II NY State Champs: '90 '91 + + Join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu + + CONGRATS TO CLARKSON GOLDEN KNIGHTS HOCKEY: 1993 ECAC CHAMPIONS!!! + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ";-1;0 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Surviving Large Accelerations? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 13 In article Amruth Laxman writes: >... here's my question finally - Are 45g accelerations in >fact humanly tolerable? - with the aid of any mechanical devices of >course. If these are possible, what is used to absorb the acceleration? This sounds a bit high to me. Still higher accelerations have been endured *very briefly*, during violent deceleration. If we're talking sustained acceleration, I think 30-odd gees has been demonstrated using water immersion. I doubt that any of this generalizes to another order of magnitude. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";-1;0 "From: caldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: facman kosinski@us.oracle.com (Kevin Osinski) writes: >I recall reading in Michael (?) Rutherford's novel ""Sarum"" a scene in >which the son of a Roman nobleman living in Britain takes part in a >secret ceremony involving a bull. He stands naked in a pit covered >with some sort of scaffolding while assistants coax a bull to stand on >the scaffolding. They then fatally stab the bull, which douses the >worshipper in the pit with blood. This is supposedly some sort of >rite of passage for members of the bull cult. I wonder if this is >related to the Mithras cult? > >I don't know where Rutherford got his information for this chapter. >The book is historical fiction, and most of the general events which >take place are largely based on historical accounts. There is a rite like this described in Joseph Campbell's _Occidental_Mythology_. He also described levels of initiation, I think 6? I don't know where Campbell got his info, but I remember thinking he was being a little eclectic. >I also wonder what if any connection there is between the ancient bull >cults and the current practice of bullfighting popular in some >Mediterranean cultures. Quite a bit. If you haven't read Campbell, give him a try. -- -- Larry Caldwell caldwell@ohsu.edu CompuServe 72210,2273 Oregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232 ";-1;0 "From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) Subject: Re: The state of justice Originator: rja@mahogany126 Lines: 36 Nntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126 Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins! In article <1993Apr15.143320.8618@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: > A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two > new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not > from the fire. > > Thoughts? > > It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start > denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led > to the previous ruling appear. Welcome to the conservative judiciary. > Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? > Shouldn't that be up to a jury? I think Scalia's point was that you get one chance. If new information comes out later, tough. If the conviced want justice, they have to hope the governor is feeling charitable. There's a guy on death row in Texas that was denied a new trial, dispite evidence of his inocents. > And what about members of the previous jury parading through the talk > shows proclaiming their obvious bias against GM? Shouldn't that be enough for > a judge to through out the old verdict and call for a new trial? > > Whatever happened to jurors having to be objective? It got swept away in the Reagan Revolution... -- Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect ------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993 EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!) ";-1;0 "From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: Formal Rebuttal to the Presumption of Jurisdiction Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr5.045612.14229@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: > [...] You're not breathing clean air provided by government > regulations, [...] If this doesn't beat all I ever heard! The above certainly says a mouthful about the mindset of Ted Frank, and also of statists everywhere. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | ";-1;0 "From: nadja@weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) Subject: Re: ProLifer Or Terrorist Threat Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 16 In article drieux@wetware.com writes: >In article 1pamhpINN7d3@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu, taite@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu () writes: >>I'm prepared to instruct individuals in the proper use and >>handling of firearms. >>As a Desert Storm vet with six years in the National Guard, I have a >>great deal of experience in handling weapons and tactical training. >ps: anyone up for a discussion of counter sniper operations? >Security drills, Your Friend the Counter Terrorist Operation..... If twit promises to train them in tactics and weapons handlings, I doubt any of them will last long enough to become terrorists. Look for a sudden rise in firearms accidents among the Fiends of the Fetus, though. ";-1;0 "From: scott@osi.com (Scott Fleming) Subject: Sun IPX root window display - background picture Keywords: sun ipx background picture Organization: Objective Systems Integrators, Folsom Ca. Lines: 22 Hello netters! I have a fairly weak question to ask everybody in netland. I've looked though the last FAQ for comp.graphics but I didn't find my answer. Thus the post. I'll keep it short. QUESTION: How do I display any raster files, gif files, iff or tiff images that I have on my ""root window"" or background? I have a sun ipc, openwindows 3.0, Sun OS 4.1.3 if that helps any. I've compiled POV for the sun and would like to display some of the work I have done as a background/tile. Thanks for any help or information that you provide. Have a good day. Scott Fleming OSI P.S. Kudo's to the people who provided POV, its great! ";1;1 "From: stusoft@hardy.u.washington.edu (Stuart Denman) Subject: Easy to translate JPEG code... Article-I.D.: shelley.1rfsqbINNc2p Organization: University of Washington Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu Does anyone out there have any JPEG decompression code in pretty much any language that I can read and understand? I have trouble understanding the JPEG Group's code that I got from an FTP site. If any one can send me some good code, I will appreciate it a lot! Thanks! Stuart Denman stusoft@u.washington.edu ";-1;0 "From: mcole@spock (COLE) Subject: 8051 Microcontroller Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: spock.nmsu.edu I would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family. Does anyone out there know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers, etc.? ";-1;0 "From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper) Subject: Re: Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.sbc.com In article mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) writes: > >> Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993 > >This means we can't quote Ed without his permission. No using these lists >in your .sigs, folks! Oh, darn. Okay, okay, let's stop slamming Ipser, and get on with making fun of other people. Alan ";-1;0 "From: cmmiller@iastate.edu (C. M. Miller) Subject: RESULTS of Mathematica Speed Tests!! Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 84 Well, here are the results of the Mathematica test which I posted to this newsgroup. The ""test"" was the following command: >Plot3D[((-2*9000)/(2*3.1416*((x-5000)^2+(y-8000)^2+ >81000000)^1.5))+((-3*9000)/(2*3.1416*((x-10000)^2+ >(y-1000)^2+81000000)^1.5))+((4*2000)/(2*3.1416* >((x-7000)^2+(y-10000)^2+4000000)^1.5)), >{x,-5500,19500},{y,-5500,19500},PlotPoints->50] I was just curious how fast the plot command would be executed on various Macintosh machines as well as other personal computers and workstations. The results are posted below: Machine System Math vers. # of trials time, min PB 170 7.0.0 with 2.1 2 2:08 tuneup/8MB RAM/5MB for Mathematica DEC 5000 Ultrix v4.2a 2.1 for 1 0:25 DEC RISC IIsi 7.1/cache@96MB 1.2f33Enh. 1 4:30 25MHz/5MB RAM/ 3MB for Math./ w/ 68882 C650 7.1/8MB RAM 2 0:32 Q800 8MB/Cache@384/ 1.2 1:01 4MB for Math. Sparc SunOS4.1.3 0:14 Station 40MB RAM SGI Iris/4D R3000 RISC <0:01 processor version Sparc SunOS4.1.2 2.1 0:26 Station2 IIsi 7.1 3:15 NeXT NeXTSTEP 2.1 1.2 2:38 Cube 68030 based/ w/ coprocessor NeXT NeXTSTEP 3.0 1.2 5(ave) 0:52 Cube 68040/25MHz/ 20 MB RAM IIsi 17MB/8MB for 2.102 Enha 3:15 Math. w/ 68882 NeXT 16MB RAM/ 1 0:37 25 MHz 040/ Workspace Manager 2.1 Funny how the IIsi running at 25 MHz is slower than other equivalent machines, lots slower in fact. Perhaps the version of Mathematica makes a difference or the fact that not much RAM was allocated. Another interesting thing is how fast the SGI did it. Wow. Basically, though, I wouldn't draw any conclusions from this data. It seems that Mathematica's speed is dependant on a lot of variables. I was just curious how different machines would measure up. Well, if you have any questions or if I forgot something, just drop me a line at ""cmmiller@iastate.edu"". Chad PS If the spacing of the above table doesn't come out right on your machine, tell me and I'll mail you a copy of this in a binhexed Word 5.1 document. ";-1;0 "From: egan@phony25.cc.utah.edu (Egan F. Ford) Subject: color xterm Keywords: color xterm Reply-To: egan%phony25.cc.utah.edu@hellgate.utah.edu Organization: Call Business Systems Lines: 9 I'm look for current patches for color xterm for X11R5 pl19 ro higher. Could someone please tell me where to get them for e-mail them to me. Thanks. -- Egan F. Ford egan%phony25.cc.utah.edu@hellgate.utah.edu ";-1;0 "From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: Re: The source of that announcement Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 37 Marc Horowitz N1NZU (marc@mit.edu) wrote: : The message from the NIST about the clipper chip comes from the : following address: : : clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) : : Just who is that, I asked myself, or rather, I asked the computer. : : % telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25 ...list of name elided for brevity...... : : Well, isn't that interesting. Dorothy Denning, Mitch Kapor, Marc : Rotenberg, Ron Rivest, Jim Bidzos, and others. The Government, RSA, : TIS, CPSR, and the EFF are all represented. I don't suppose anybody : within any of these organizations would care to comment? Or is this : just the White House's idea of a cruel joke on these peoples' inboxes? I know that at least one person on that list says the first he heard of Clipper was in the Friday morning newspaper! And another has already fired off a letter of protest to NIST. My point? I suspect this list, interesting as it is for various reasons, does not represent the cabal that put this proposal together. Some of them, yes. Others, no. This may be nothing more than a mailing list of people who get crypto-related announcements from NSA, er, I mean ""NIST."" -Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. ";-1;0 "From: caldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell) Subject: Re: SUNDAY! THE DAY OF OUR LORD! Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: facman pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes: >dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: >>Exactly. Sunday worship is in honor or the *SUN*, not the *SON* of God. > >Same thing, isn't it? It's pronounced the same? What other heavenly >beings are resurrected? The moon? That would by lunacy, at least to a >sunday worshiper. I have heard that the sabbath was originally determined by the phases of the moon, and had elements of moon worship. Early stuff, Egyptian in nature. -- -- Larry Caldwell caldwell@ohsu.edu CompuServe 72210,2273 Oregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232 ";-1;0 "From: rcasteto@watsol.uwaterloo.ca (Ron Castelletto) Subject: Orioles Phillies Red Sox Keywords: orioles phillies red sox baltimore philadelphia boston bosox Organization: University of Waterloo Distribution: na Lines: 20 Can someone send me ticket ordering information for the following teams: Baltimore, Philadelphia and Boston. Also, if you have a home schedule available - can you tell me the dates for all home games between July26-Aug6 and between Aug30-Sept10 and if any of these games are promotion nights or special discount nights? Thanks !!! Ron PS: and also who the opponents are for these games :-) Do NOT reply to this account, please reply to: ronc@vnet.ibm.com __ _ IBM Canada Lab Database Technology | \ / \ Associate Development Analyst |__/ on | astelletto (416) 448-2546 Tie Line: 778-2546 | \_ \_/ Internal Mail: 51/843/895/TOR ";-1;0 "From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Deir Yassin Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr24.023039.1485@cs.rit.edu> bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes: >In article <1r94f9$ge3@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.VXF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Vic Filler) writes: >>You have a lot to learn when it comes to historical methodology. > >That's true. I try to learn from people who know more than me, >not from useless farts. And anyone who doesn't agree with you is, by your own definitions, a ""useless fart"". Just like any text that disputes your own ""findings"" is always described as ""flawed"" or ""biased"". In other words, you trumpet the things you like and dismiss those that might embarass you. We've seen you play these games here for a long time. One thing is for sure: When it comes to ""useless farts"", you sure know what you're talking about. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. ";-1;0 "From: tonyo@pendragon.CNA.TEK.COM (Tony Ozrelic) Subject: Need info on cc:Mail file format Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond, Oregon Lines: 13 I need the file format for cc:Mail file formats - it seems to be PCX-based, but with a twist: only the first page of a multi-page fax will come out readable. The other pages disappear. The format seems to be 'proprietary'. Anybody got any clues? I have to give my email FAXes to my secretary in order to get 'em unscrambled. I want a filter from cc:Mail to .p[nb]m. Come to think of it, p[nb]m to cc:Mail would be nice too. tonyo@master.CNA.TEK.COM ";-1;0 "From: harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Reply-To: harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey) Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 30 In rec.food.cooking, packer@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes: >Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? >I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before >an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are >superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? > I know that there is MSG sensitivity. When I eat foods with MSG I get very thirsty and my hands swell and get a terrible itchy rash. I first experienced this problem when I worked close to Chinatown and ate Chinese food almost everyday for lunch. Now I can't tolerate MSG at all. I can notice immediately when I have eaten any. I try to avoid MSG completely. Interesting fact though is that all three of my children started experiencing the exact same rash on their hands. I couldn't understand why because I don't MSG in cooking and we ask for no MSG when we do eat Chinese (I still love it). After some investigation I knew that Oodles of Noodles where one of their favorite foods. One of the main ingredients in the flavor packets is MSG. Now I look at all labels. You would be surprised at places you find MSG. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Betty Harvey | David Taylor Model Basin ADP, Networking and Communication Assessment | Carderock Division Branch | Naval Surface Warfare Code 1221 | Center Bethesda, Md. 20084-5000 | DTMB,CD,NSWC | (301)227-3379 FAX (301)227-3343 | /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\\/\/ ";4;1 "From: cavalier@blkbox.COM (Bill Egan) Subject: Re: Weitek P9000 ? Nntp-Posting-Host: port3.houston.pub-ip.psi.net Organization: Performance Systems Int'l Lines: 13 jgreen@amber (Joe Green) writes: >> > Anyone know about the Weitek P9000 graphics chip? >Do you have Weitek's address/phone number? I'd like to get some information >about this chip. Yes, I am very interested in this chip. Please follow up or email. -- Bill Egan Cavalier Graphics Houston, Texas Email: cavalier@blkbox.com ";-1;0 "From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: University of Central Florida Lines: 19 I posted this over in sci.astro, but it didn't make it here. Thought you all would like my wonderful pithy commentary :-) What? You guys have never seen the Goodyear blimp polluting the daytime and nightime skies? Actually an oribital sign would only be visible near sunset and sunrise, I believe. So pollution at night would be minimal. If it pays for space travel, go for it. Those who don't like spatial billboards can then head for the pristine environment of Jupiter's moons :-) --- Thomas Clarke Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL 12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826 (407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu ";-1;0 "From: u934132@student.canberra.edu.au (Ogawa / Taro Stephen (ISE)) Subject: Help wanted Summary: Decoders Organization: University of Canberra Lines: 9 Could someone please tell me if a 1/4 decoder is the same as a 1 to 4 demultiplexer. I know how to link 2 of these to get an 8 output circuit, but how do I link 5 of these to make a 1/16 multiplexer. Sorry if this seems like a lame question, but I'm only a newbie to electronics, and I have to do this circuit. Please make any mail as droolproof as possible. Thanx, Taro Ogawa (u934132@student.canberra.edu.au) ";-1;0 "Subject: What are knots? From: ng4@husc11.harvard.edu (Ho Leung Ng) Nntp-Posting-Host: husc11.harvard.edu Lines: 8 What exactly are knots, those sore, tight spots in your muscles? In certain kinds of massage, people try and break up these knots; it this really helpful? Ho Leung Ng ng4@husc.harvard.edu ";-1;0 "From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > er, excuse me but since the escrow agencies aren't yet chosen, how can you >say they have a ""history of untrustworthy behavoir[sic]""? I refer to the Federal law enforcement apparatus (which is ultimately in charge of this) generally. ";-1;0 "From: landis@stsci.edu (Robert Landis,S202,,) Subject: Re: Soviet Space Book Reply-To: landis@stsci.edu Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD Lines: 9 What in blazes is going on with Wayne Matson and gang down in Alabama? I also heard an unconfirmed rumor that Aerospace Ambassadors have disappeared. Can anyone else confirm?? ++Rob Landis STScI, Baltimore, MD ";2;1 "From: pierson@cimill.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson) Subject: Re: Swr Meter For Cb Radios Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: cimill In article <734953838.AA00508@insane.apana.org.au>, peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) writes... >AllThe Devil ReincarnateSWR meter for CB radios > >TD>From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) >TD>Organization: CDAC, WA >TD>What >TD>is a good choice for a CB? 1/4 or 1/8 wave? >TD> I read the installation instructions on a 1/4 wave antenna, >TD>and they suggested that I use an SWR to tune it at channel 12 >TD>and channel 32 for a minimum reading. Question is, why channel >TD>12 and 32? >The best antenna is one that will let out the most wave (probably not the >best explanation, but the rest makes sense) A one wave will cancell itself >out (BTW no such beastie). Yes there is. Not common for CB. The pattern is different (sort of a cloverleaf, with four main lobes. > The best is a 1/2 wave antenna, followed by 1/4, then 1/8 etc. Use of anything under 1/4 wave for transmitting is very uncommon. (The usual ""rubber duck"" uses a coil to fool itself into looking like a quarter wave. I reccomend the ARRL Antenna Handbook, or a good basic book. thanks dave pierson |the facts, as accurately as i can manage, Digital Equipment Corporation |the opinions, my own. 40 Old Bolton Rd |I am the NRA Stow, Mass 01775 USA |pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com ""He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."" A J Raffles ";-1;0 "From: andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux) Subject: Re: LCIII->PowerPC? Reply-To: andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux) Organization: Pyramid Technologies, Mt. View, California. Lines: 34 In article <1qksuq$1tt8@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky) writes: |> Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor. |> I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip. |> Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS |> slot. Is that true? |> |> Thanks |> David Mirsky |> mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu Well, I also have an LC III. Popping the top revealed: One ""socket"" for an additional VRAM SIMM One ""socket"" for a 72-pin RAM SIMM One socket for a flat-pack FPU A processor-direct slot (PDS) identical to the LC/LC II, but with an additional set of connetions to one side (for the full 32-bit data path that the LC/LC II lacked That's it. I guess a board with a PowerPC chip could be made that would fit in the PDS, but that's the only place. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Andre Molyneux KA7WVV ""Insert your favorite disclaimer here"" | +-----------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ | -=-------- PYRAMID TECHNOLOGY CORP |Internet: | | ---===------ 3860 N. First Street | andrem@pyramid.com | | -----=====---- San Jose, CA |Packet: | |-------=======-- (408) 428-8229 | ka7wvv@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na | +-----------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Keywords: BATF FBI Korash ""child abuse"" guns murder CONTROL Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu Organization: The Group W Bench Lines: 17 In <2077@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: >Anybody for impeachment? Yeah, me. Both the Slickmeister and Hillary's buddy Janet say they're responsible... I want both their resignations on my desk yesterday. I also want both thier butts up on federal civil rights violations.... something which carries life in prison as a penalty. Oh, and I'll contribute $20 to Arlen Specter's presidential campaign for having the 'nads to launch the Senate investigation. -- Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) ================== America in Distress ================== (flag upside down = SOS) *******=========== Save your Republic before *******=========== it no longer exists. *******=========== ";-1;0 "From: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) Reply-To: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford) Organization: Nimbus Technology, Santa Clara, CA USA Lines: 32 In article <13269@news.duke.edu> klg@mookie.mc.duke.edu (Kim Greer) writes: > > I was wondering if anyone can shed any light on just how it is that these >electronic odometers remember the total elapsed mileage? What kind of >memory is stable/reliable enough, non-volatile enough and independent enough >(of outside battery power) to last say, 10 years or more, in the life of a >vehicle? I'm amazed that anything like this could be expected to work for >this length of time (especially in light of all the gizmos I work with that >are doing good to work for 2 months without breaking down somehow). > MK48T02 from thomsom. It has a timekeeper (clock) and 512 bytes of NVRAM which has a lithium battery backup. The battery has a life of ~10 years of poweroff operation. Installed in a car it could be left powered on continuously and not draw much current. The battery would only be used when your auto battery was dead or had been removed. >Side question: how about the legal ramifications of selling a used car with >a replaced odometer that starts over at 0 miles, after say 100/200/300K >actual miles. Looks like fraud would be fairly easy - for the price of a >new odometer, you can say it has however many miles you want to tell the >buyer it has. In California they have a line on the transfer of ownership form which states that the odometer mileage is correct. If incorrect you are required to fill in what you know (or guesstimate) to be the correct mileage. If you lie on this form and are caught you can be prosecuted and the buyer can sue you for the value of the mileage differential. -- Faster Horses Younger Women Older Whiskey More Money! ";-1;0 "From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: Help adding a SCSI Drive Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 35 I have a 486sx25 computer with a 105 Mg Seagate IDE drive and a controler built into the motherboard. I want to add a SCSI drive (a quantum prodrive 425F 425 MG formatted). I have no documentation at all and I need your help! As I understand it, here is the process of adding such a drive. Could you please tell me if I'm right.. 1- Buy a SCSI contoler. Which one? I know Adaptec is good, but they are kind of expensive. Are there any good boards in the $100 region? I want it to be compatible with OS2 and Unix if possible. Also, I have seen on the net that there are SCSI and SCSI2 drives. Is this true? Does the adapter need to be the same as the drive? What type of drive is the quantum? 2- connect the drive to the adapter via a SCSI cable and the power cable. Do i have to worry about the power supply? I think I have 200 watts and all I'm powering are two floppies and the seagate drive. 3- Setup the BIOS to recognize the drive as the second drive. What type of drive is this? I don't have the numbers for this drive. 4- Format and create partitions on the drive. Do I use format or fdisk? I think that IDE drives can't be low-level formatted. Is it the same with SCSI? How exactly does fdisk work? I have a reduced msdos 5.0 manual (clone obliges) and there is no mention of fdisk. Ideally, I would want the drive partitioned in to two partitions D: and E: how do I do this? Well that seems to be all. Is there anythiing I'm forgetting? Any help is *really* appreciated, I'm lost... -Eric ebosco@us.oracle.com ";-1;0 "From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 9 In article frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes: }Honda: a ""V"" designates a V engine street bike. ""VF"" for V-4, ""VT"" for V-twin. So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT. -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson ";-1;0 "From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia. Lines: 41 In article , hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) writes: > > Say, for example, there are people living on a volcanic island, and a group > of geologists determine that a volcano is imminent. They warn the people on > the island that they are in danger, and should leave. A group of people on > the island is given the task of warning others of the danger. > > They believe the danger is real, but others may not. > > Does that mean that the first group are NECESSARILY arrogant in warning > others of the danger? Does it mean that they are saying that their beliefs > are correct, and all others are false? But what if the geologists are wrong and these people are warning of a non-existent danger? Analogies can only push an argument so far (on both sides). Both Melinda's and yours assume the premises used to set up your respective analogies are true and thus the correct conclusion will arise. The important point to note is the different directions both sides come from. Christians believe they know the TRUTH and thus believe they have the right (and duty) to tell the TRUTH to all. Christians can get offended if others do not believe (what is self-evidently to them) the TRUTH. Non-christians do not believe this is the TRUTH and get offended at them because they (christians) claim to know the TRUTH. (BTW this argument goes for anyone, I am not just bagging christians) Neither side can be really reconciled unless one of the parties changes their mind. As Melinda pointed out, there is no point in arguing along these lines because both approach from a different premise. A more useful line of discussion is WHY people believe in particular faiths. Personally, I don't mind what anyone believes as long as they allow me mine and we can all live peacefully. > Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department -- Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168. ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!! Lines: 2 YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!! BE PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!! ";9;1 "From: fbaker12@jade.tufts.edu (Frederick A. Baker) Subject: Re: 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, $250 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA Distribution: na Lines: 8 This entire dispute over a chip has deluged this newsgroup with a lot of posts that have nothing to SELL. It all harkens back to a certain user's post of a month or so ago: STOP POSTING COMPUTER EQUIPMENT HERE!!! Save it for the computer.forsale newsgroups! If you don't GET the computer.forsale newsgroups, then ask your sysadmin. to try to subscribe to it at your location. Otherwise, knock it off! ";8;1 "From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 14 The two historic facts that I think the most important are these: (1) If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then he must have done something else equally impressive, in order to create the observed amount of impact. (2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so (it would have discredited the Christians). -- :- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* :- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< ";-1;0 "From: rngai@oracle.com (Raymond Ngai) Subject: Perstor System Disk Controller information needed Nntp-Posting-Host: hqseq.us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA Distribution: comp X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 36 Does anybody out there have or used to have an HD controller from Perstor System Inc. (which is out of business I believe)? My friend received an old PC which happens to have such a controller and I am having a hard time trying to add another HD to the card. I believe the controller is supposed to control MFM drives as RLL drives?? Here the model info on the card, but any other similar model will probably do. Perstor System Inc. Model: PS 180-16FN Rev: 2.2 ECN 9-21 I would appreciate your reply directly to my e-mail address below. Thanks, Ray (rngai@oracle.com) -- ( Raymond Ngai ) ( Application System Analyst 300 Oracle Parkway, #670A ) ( Vertical Applications Division Redwood Shores, CA 94065 ) ( Oracle Corporation (415)506-3385 FAX:506-7262 ) ";-1;0 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Smith Corona Typewriter for sale, Model SCM 70 electric Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: ny,nj Lines: 23 Smith Corona Typewriter for sale, Model SCM 70 electric. Great for forms, envelopes, labels, small things, etc. that you just can't do with your microcomputer. Built like a tank, but not big nor that heavy. A classic compact electric, with padded storage bag. No scratches, enamel paint chips or dents. Cloth ribbon, 2 colours. Will accept best offer near $70. (Selling for a friend, so these are her instructions not mine. RSVP to this account, though. Make any other offers anyways, I'll pass them along. A single sheet-feeder for the Macintosh Imagewriter II would be acceptable in trade, for example.) gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";-1;0 "From: djf@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Marvin Batty) Subject: Re: Moon Colony Prize Race! $6 billion total? Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk Organization: Starfleet, Coventry, UK Lines: 49 In article <1993Apr20.020259.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >I think if there is to be a prize and such.. There should be ""classes"" >such as the following: > >Large Corp. >Small Corp/Company (based on reported earnings?) >Large Government (GNP and such) >Small Governemtn (or political clout or GNP?) >Large Organization (Planetary Society? and such?) >Small Organization (Alot of small orgs..) Whatabout, Schools, Universities, Rich Individuals (around 250 people in the UK have more than 10 million dollars each). I reecieved mail from people who claimed they might get a person into space for $500 per pound. Send a skinny person into space and split the rest of the money among the ground crew! > >The organization things would probably have to be non-profit or liek ?? > >Of course this means the prize might go up. Larger get more or ?? >Basically make the prize (total purse) $6 billion, divided amngst the class >winners.. >More fair? > >There would have to be a seperate organization set up to monitor the events, >umpire and such and watch for safety violations (or maybe not, if peopel want >to risk thier own lives let them do it?). > Agreed. I volunteer for any UK attempts. But one clause: No launch methods which are clearly dangerous to the environment (ours or someone else's). No usage of materials from areas of planetary importance. >Any other ideas?? Yes: We should *do* this rather than talk about it. Lobby people! The major problem with the space programmes is all talk/paperwork and no action! >== >Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked > > -- **************************************************************************** Marvin Batty - djf@uk.ac.cov.cck ""And they shall not find those things, with a sort of rafia like base, that their fathers put there just the night before. At about 8 O'clock!"" ";-1;0 "From: tedm@tsoft.net (Ted Matsumura) Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost) Article-I.D.: tsoft.C5JCCG.3Bn Distribution: usa Organization: TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238 Lines: 34 [stuff deleted] > >For example, I subscribe to 2 magazines, ""ABC news"" and ""XYZ products"". >I give my name as ""Joseph X. Cool"" for the first, and ""Joe Q. Cool"" for >the 2nd. When I get junk mail addressed to ""Joseph X. Cool"", I know >where they bought my name. > >This doesn't help NOT getting junk mail, but you at least know who's >selling your name. And if you ask companies to NOT sell your name to >mailing lists/tele-marketeers, they are not supposed to (as in, it's >illegal.) > >And in case you haven't guessed, I don't really use Joe Cool. > >-- My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for one time use by the major software companies. The method you are using to ""seed"" your junk mail, isn't really effective. Bulk mailers regulary either send their databases to be ""cleaned"" by the NCOA, which if you've moved recently, will revert back to the original ""xxx Cool"", and in large mailings, there will likely be a dupe of you, and they'll pick the first, and use the others for future mailings. BTW, our list is currently one of the hottest lists for actual buyers of a MS Windows utility product in the $100 range, and is available through Direct Media in CT., at $0.10 per name. Please let your direct mail marketing rep. know about this.. Thanks. TEd > > --- Matthew Caprile || Hey, I only speak for myself ! Even I --- > --- || won't admit to the opinions expressed --- > --- caprile@apple.com || here, so don't expect my employer to. --- ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Migraines and Estrogen Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 12 In article <3FB51B6w165w@jupiter.spk.wa.us> pwageman@jupiter.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman) writes: >I read that hormonal fluctuations can contribute to migraines, could >taking supplemental estrogen (ERT) cause migraines? Any information I'm not sure it is the fluctuation so much as the estrogen level. Taking Premarin can certainly cause migraines in some women. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: lofaso@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Bernie Lofaso) Subject: Re: Fast idle on 88 Ford Ranger Nntp-Posting-Host: zruty Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 22 ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel) writes: >It did it again. This morning, my 88 Ford Ranger was idling at 10,000 RPM. >Ok, so I exaggerated a little, but it was idling very fast. It has a 2 >liter carburated engine in it, and no blipping of the throttle would >cause the idle to drop back to normal (I don't think the linkage is stuck). >What can I do to fix this problem? This has been a problem from time to >time, but has straightened itself out - until now. I don't have a tach, >but by gauging by the sound of the engine, it is idling about twice as fast >as it should be. This is down from what it was idling at when I pulled up >at a stop light. Sometimes a bad choke pull-off diaphram will cause a car to fast idle. The pull-off, which is vacuum actuated, provides a necessary pull in non-cold weather conditions to get the idle off the the fast idle cam. Locate the fast idle cam on your vehicle and see if you can rotate it to produce a normal idle. If so, locate the diaphram and test it. If you can't apply suction (via a good piece of rubber vacuum hose) with your mouth that will cause the diaphram to retract, then it's bad and should be replaced. Bernie Lofaso Applied Research Labs ";-1;0 "From: jyork@iastate.edu (Justin York) Subject: Clipper Chip - How would it work? Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 18 With all the talk about this Clipper chip, I have developed one question... HOW DOES IT WORK??? If you use this, then how does it get decrypted on the other end? Does the other party (receiving the phone call/mail/etc) have to know some code to undo it? Do I use a different method for calling one party than I would for another?. If the other party can decrypt it, doesn't that mean that someone else could also? I assume that if everyone has a different key, the only use would be storing secure data for later retrieval by the same key. This seems like a fundamental question to me, but I have very little experience with cryptosystems, other than DES. If someone could give me an explanation as to how it would be used (remember that I have had little experience with this sort of thing) it would be very much appreciated. Justin York jyork@iastate.edu ";-1;0 "From: loki@acca.nmsu.edu (Entropic Destroyer) Subject: Need info on 43:1 and suicide for refutation Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 35 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: kazak.nmsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] The following is quoted from the tail end of a (rather condescending) article about Paxton Quigley, that appeared in US Snooze and World Lies, (sorry... i think it was in the wall street journal...) and was repeated in the Colorado (people's) Daily, a student newspaper at the University of Colorado at Boulder. ""A study of residential gunsot deaths in King County, Wash., found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner, spouse, a friend, or child than to kill an intruder. Studies by the Western Psychiatric Institute, in Pittsburgh, found that the mere presence of a gun in the home sharply incresases the likelihood a family member will commit suicide, even in the absence of psychiatric illness."" I have seen these numbers quoted before, and I have seen very specific refutation of them quoted as well. If someone will be so kind as to email the relevant information, I will write a letter to the editor of the Co. Daily (which might get published) and send a copy to USN&WR as well. Thanx... --Dan -- DoD #202 / loki@acca.nmsu.edu / liberty or death / taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu Send me something even YOU can't read... -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.1 mQCNAitfksQAAAEEAKceEjWI9f5KMJyKP0LOgC5dGHRpbMY2xhOo8kpEHMDyuf8a 1BfDQSj53kosTz6HRoshSDzLVuL1/40vPjmMNtFR+vyZ4jvd3rL4iuq2umMmex3M itf3uLt8Xn/v/QAbsvhcFSHVJVK4Lf6wosuCMO03m2TiX31AI7VB0Uzo4yXjAAUX tCREYW5pZWwgRiBUYXlsb3IgPExva2lAYWNjYS5ubXN1LmVkdT4= =S5ib -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ";3;1 "From: revc@garg.campbell.ca.us (Bob Van Cleef) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: The Land of Garg Lines: 48 >From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) >Many Catholics will decide to side with the Pope. There is some >soundness in this, because the Papacy is infallible, so eventually >some Pope *will* straighten all this out. But, on the other hand, >there is also unsoundness in this, in that, in the short term, the >Popes may indeed be wrong, and such Catholics are doing nothing to >help the situation by obeying them where they're wrong. In fact, if >the situation is grave enough, they sin in obeying him. At the very >least, they're wasting a great opportunity, because they are failing >to love Christ in a heroic way at the very time that He needs this >badly. Joe; Your logic excapes me. If the Papacy is infallible, and this is a matter of faith, then the Pope cannot ""be wrong!"" If, on the other hand, this is not a matter of faith, but a matter of Church law, then we should still obey as the Pope is the legal head of the church. In other words, given the doctrine of infallibility, we have no choice but to obey. Bob -- ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> \|/ <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< Bob Van Cleef Peace -0- be revc@garg.Campbell.CA.US The Land of Garg BBS unto /|\ you BBS (408) 378-5108 ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> | <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< [You might want to look at the FAQ on infallibility. The doctrine on infallibility does not say that the pope is always right. All Catholic theologians acknowledge that there have been a number of occasions when the pope was wrong. There appear to be two aspects to infallibility. One is a general concept that in the long run the Church is protected from serious error. However this does not mean that it's impossible for it to take wrong turns at one time or another. The more specific concept of papal infallibility is that in very specific circumstances a papal statement can be known to be infallible. However a relatively small fraction of statements meet those criteria. This does not absolve Catholics from the duty to obey even ""ordinary"" teachings of the pope. However only a few teachings are made in a way that is explicitly infallible. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: S_BRAUN@IRAV19.ira.uka.de (Thomas Braun) Subject: sources for shading wanted Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: irav19.ira.uka.de X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.25 I'm looking for shading methods and algorithms. Please let me know if you know where to get source codes for that. Thanks a lot! Thomas +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Thomas Braun, Universitaet Karlsruhe | | E-Mail : S_BRAUN@iravcl.ira.uka.de | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | \_\_\_\_\_ \_\_\_ Thomas Braun | | \_ \_ \_ University Karlsruhe, Germany | | \_ \_\_\_ email: | | \_ \_ \_ - S_Braun@iravcl.ira.uka.de | | \_ \_\_\_ - UKAY@dkauni2.bitnet | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";1;1 "From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) Subject: ESPN, the network with a heart... Keywords: NOT! Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 22 Dale Hunter ties the game, scoring his third goal of the game with 2.7 seconds remaining in regulation. You could feel it coming on. ""Due to contractual agreements, ESPN will be unable to carry the rest of this game live, so that we may show you a worthless early-season battle between those two pennant contenders, the Cleveland Indians and the California Angels. When the winning goal is scored, we WILL do the grave injustice of breaking into the baseball game -- something reserved only for the deaths of Presidents or the trading of Joe Montana to the Chiefs -- to show you the goal on instant replay. ""Aren't you SO lucky to have national coverage of hockey?"" It's HEIDI all over again, dammit! Kevin L. Stamber Purdue University PENGUINS 7, DEVILS 0 -- ROLL TRAIN, ROLL! ";-1;0 "From: lusardi@cs.buffalo.edu (Christopher Lusardi) Subject: System file in /tmp Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: zanian.cs.buffalo.edu What is the directory .X11-unix for in /tmp? When I start x, it is created by the system. This directory wasn't created by root, and it contains an empty file (X0) that is owned by me. -- | .-, ###|For a lot of .au music: ftp sounds.sdsu.edu | / / __ , _ ###|then cat file.au > /dev/audio | \_>/ >_/ (_/\_/<>_ |UB library catalog:telnet bison.acsu.buffalo.edu |_ 14261 _|(When in doubt ask: xarchie, xgopher, or xwais.) ";12;1 "From: gleasokr@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Kris Gleason) Subject: Re: Electric power line ""balls"" Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: usa Lines: 23 fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov (Scott Townsend) writes: >I got a question from my dad which I really can't answer and I'd appreciate >some net.wisdom. >His question is about some 18-24"" diameter balls which are attached to >electric power lines in his area. He's seen up to a half dozen between >two poles. Neither of us have any experience with electric power distribution. >My only guess was that they may be a capacitive device to equalize the >inductance of the grid, but why so many between two poles?. >Anyone know what they really are? Is there a related FAQ for this? >Is there a better group to submit to? >We'd both appreciate some enlightenment. I think those are to make the lines more visible to airplanes and helicopters... cheaper than blinking red lights. 'course I could be wrong. Kris ";11;1 "From: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) Subject: Request for AL stats.... Reply-To: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H. Lines: 4 Anyone have the AL individual stats or where i can find them? K--> ";14;1 "From: charles@tinman.dev.prodigy.com () Subject: Re: multiple desktops Nntp-Posting-Host: tinman Organization: Prodigy Services Company, White Plains, NY Lines: 16 In article dmcgee@uluhe.soest.hawaii.edu (Don McGee) writes: > >Is there a free/share( ware) package that will allow multiple >desktops in windows 3.1. What is desired is to have a desk top >for several people that each can personalize by name and choice >of programs etc. Amishware has one included in their package. They were advertising here on the net a couple of weeks ago with a riduculously (That is in a good way, Ted!) low price. Does anyone remember what it was ? -- Charles Emmons | charles@trintex.uucp | These opinions are Prodigy Services Co. | charles%trintex@uunet.uu.net | mine alone, unless White Plains NY 10601 | Voice 914-993-8856 | you would like to PRODIGY ID - KJRD82A | FAX 914-993-8659 | share them. ";6;1 "From: tommy@boole.att.com (Tommy Reingold) Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions Reply-To: tommy@boole.att.com Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ, USA Originator: tommy@hoodlum Keywords: Saturn, Subaru, manual, automatic Nntp-Posting-Host: hoodlum.l1135.att.com Lines: 24 hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) writes: $ The biggest hurdle for automatics (IMHO) is not shifting speed $ per se, but rather the transmission's reaction speed when you $ try to force it to shift manually. $ [...] I rented an Oldsmobile Achieva (is that a yuppie name or what?) and a Nissan Stanza. They both had automatics. I'm a manual transmission bigot but I have to admit that the transmissions on these cars were better shifters than I am. And yes, they responded very quickly to kickdown requests. The Nissan had a tachometer so I was able to figure out which gear I was in. (The Olds may have also, but I don't remember.) I believe it shifted all the way down to second at about 50 mph when my foot told it, ""No I really want to accelerate quickly."" I would still prefer a manual, but I won't delude myself into thinking that I can out-accelerate a modern automatic. And I'm very smooth at shifting but certainly not as good as an automatic. -- Tommy Reingold AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ tommy@boole.att.com or att!boole!tommy ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Ignorance is BLISS, was Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 17 In article , pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) wrote: > In article > sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: > >Ignorance is not bliss! > Ignorance is STRENGTH! > Help spread the TRUTH of IGNORANCE! Huh, if ignorance is strength, then I won't distribute this piece of information if I want to follow your advice (contradiction above). Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: wright@duca.hi.com (David Wright) Subject: Re: NATURAL ANTI-cancer/AIDS Remedies Organization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: duca.hi.com In article <19604@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: |In article <1993Apr6.165840.5703@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes: |> The biggest reason why the cost of medical care is so EXTREMELY high and |>increasing is that NATURAL methods of treatment and even diagnosis are still |>being SYSTEMATICALLY IGNORED and SUPPRESSED by the MONEY-GRUBBING and POWER- |>MONGERING ""medical"" establishment. |That's not the half of it. Did you realize that all medical doctors have |now been replaced by aliens? Yup. By the way, what planet are you from, and once you got here, did you encounter those prejudices against foreign medical graduates? -- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc. Waltham, MA wright@hicomb.hi.com :: These are my opinions, not necessarily Hitachi's, though they are the opinions of all right-thinking people ";4;1 "From: Dave Watson Subject: Re: Delaunay Triangulation Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 29 Distribution: world Reply-To: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) writes: >Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is? >Is there any reference to it? The Delaunay triangulation is the geometrical dual of the Voronoi tessellation and both constructions are derived from natural neighbor order. Aurenhammer, F., 1991, Voronoi Diagrams - A Survey of a Fundamental Geometric Data Structure: ACM Computing Surveys, 23(3), p. 345-405. Okabe, A., Boots, B., and Sugihara, K., 1992, Spatial tessellations : concepts and applications of Voronoi diagrams: Wiley & Sons, New York, ISBN 0 471 93430 5, 532p. Watson, D.F., 1981, Computing the n-dimensional Delaunay tessellation with application to Voronoi polytopes: The Computer J., 24(2), p. 167-172.} Watson, D.F., 1985, Natural neighbour sorting: The Australian Computer J., 17(4), p. 189-193. -- Dave Watson Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au Department of Mathematics The University of Western Australia Tel: (61 9) 380 3359 Nedlands, WA 6009 Australia. FAX: (61 9) 380 1028 ";-1;0 "From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 24 In article 1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi, hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi () writes: >In article <1993Apr14.174139.6604@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >> >> >> +/- is a good stat because it is the only stat that I am aware of that >> takes into account defensive play. It isn't a measure of defensive >> play- it takes into account offense and defence- all aspects of play. > > If we are interested of real all-round players, the power play stats > should be considered, too. Because the power play is also one aspect > of play! There is still something to be done with these player evaluation > tools!! IMO any good player should score on power plays because of the man advantage. Very good power play scorers tend to become overrated because their point totals are inflated by power play points. +/- tends to expose these overrated players such as Brett Hull, John Cullen and Dave Andreychuck. Given the opportunity to play power play consistently, any player can inflate his totals. Gregmeister ";-1;0 "From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) Subject: Re: Biosphere II Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com <1q77ku$av6@access.digex.net> Lines: 10 In <1q77ku$av6@access.digex.net> Pat writes: >The Work is privately funded, the DATA belongs to SBV. I don't see >either george or Fred, scoriating IBM research division for >not releasing data. We publish plenty kiddo,you just have to look. ----------------------------------------------------------------- .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one. Greg Nicholls ... nicho@vnet.ibm.com (business) or nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk (private) ";-1;0 "From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Thinking About Buying Intrepid - Good or Bad Idea? Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 7 I'm thinking of buying a new Dodge Intrepid - Has anyone had any experiences that they'd like to share? Thanks. BobC ";10;1 "From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 44 In article , gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: > In article <15377@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > #But what came out, > #in much lower profile reporting, was that the ""victim"" was a > #prostitute, and the man had not paid her -- hence the false > #accusation. > > There was no evidence the woman in question was a prostitute, the > defense merely alledged that she was. Even Clayton knows the > difference. Err, perhaps Clayton doesn't know the difference. Evidence given for her prostitute status, besides the admittedly questionable claim of the man on trial included: 1. Prior employment in a number of massage parlors, with women who claimed that she worked as a prostitute; 2. Walking around a truck stop at 4:00 AM wearing a lace miniskirt, a halter top, and no underwear of any sort; 3. Not having a purse or other I.D. with her. Not enough to convict her, but enough to create reasonable doubt whether a rape actually took place, or theft of services. Are you just ignorant, or lying again? > #the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the > #Marines were engaged in self-defense. > > No, the judge found that the prosecution did not carry out the burder > on proof. A small clipping from clarinews, under fair use guidelines: > > # New Hanover District Court Judge Jacqueline Morris-Goodson ruled in > #the benchtrial that the state failed to carry its burden in proving the > #Marines acted to cause injury. The accounts on the evening news indicated that they claimed self- defense, and the judge agreed that they were so operating. > -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. ";-1;0 "From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Post Polio Syndrome Information Needed Please !!! Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 21 [reply to keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart)] >My wife has become interested through an acquaintance in Post-Polio >Syndrome This apparently is not recognised in New Zealand and different >symptons ( eg chest complaints) are treated separately. Does anone have >any information on it It would help if you (and anyone else asking for medical information on some subject) could ask specific questions, as no one is likely to type in a textbook chapter covering all aspects of the subject. If you are looking for a comprehensive review, ask your local hospital librarian. Most are happy to help with a request of this sort. Briefly, this is a condition in which patients who have significant residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the weakness as they get older. One theory is that the remaining motor neurons have to work harder and so die sooner. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell ";-1;0 "From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 22 Jim Perry (perry@dsinc.com) wrote: : The Bible says there is a God; if that is true then our atheism is : mistaken. What of it? Seems pretty obvious to me. Socrates said : there were many gods; if that is true then your monotheism (and our : atheism) is mistaken, even if Socrates never existed. Jim, I think you must have come in late. The discussion (on my part at least) began with Benedikt's questioning of the historical acuuracy of the NT. I was making the point that, if the same standards are used to validate secular history that are used here to discredit NT history, then virtually nothing is known of the first century. You seem to be saying that the Bible -cannot- be true because it speaks of the existence of God as it it were a fact. Your objection has nothing to do with history, it is merely another statement of atheism. Bill ";-1;0 "From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Sun Lines: 63 NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes: >#In article <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank >#O'Dwyer) wrote: >#> Objective morality is morality built from objective values. >#But where do those objective values come from? How can we measure them? >#What mediated thair interaction with the real world, a moralon? Or a scalar >#valuino field? >Science (""the real world"") has its basis in values, not the other way round, >as you would wish it. If there is no such thing as objective value, then >science can not objectively be said to be more useful than a kick in the head. >Simple theories with accurate predictions could not objectively be said >to be more useful than a set of tarot cards. You like those conclusions? >I don't. I think that you are changing the meaning of ""values"" here. Perhaps it is time to backtrack and take a look at the word. value n. 1. A fair equivalent or return for something, such as goods or service. 2. Monetary or material worth. 3. Worth as measured in usefulness or importance; merit. 4. A principle, standard, or quality considered inherently worthwhile or desirable. 5. Precise meaning, as of a word. 6. An assigned or calculated numerical quantity. 7. Mus. The relative duratation of a tone or rest. 8. The relative darkness or lightness of a color. 9. The distinctive quality of a speech or speech sound. In context of a moral system, definition four seems to fit best. In terms of scientific usage, definitions six or eight might apply. Note that these definitions do not mean the same thing. In my mind, to say that science has its basis in values is a bit of a reach. Science has its basis in observable fact. Even the usages of the word ""value"" above do not denote observable fact, but rather a standard of measurement. I would conclude that science does not have its basis in values, and so your statement above fails. In fact, if one concludes that a scientific set of measurements (values) are based on systems derived from observation, then it must follow that in a scientific context, there is no such thing as there is no such thing as ""objective values."" Back to the present. This has nothing to do with a moral system anyhow. Just because the word ""values"" is used in both contexts does not mean that there is a relationship between the two contexts. If one is to argue for objective values (in a moral sense) then one must first start by demonstrating that morality itself is objective. Considering the meaning of the word ""objective"" I doubt that this will ever happen. So, back to the original question: And objective morality is.....? If you can provide an objective foundation for ""morality"" then that will be a good beginning. >-- >Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' >odwyer@sse.ie from ""Hens"", by Evelyn Conlon eric ";-1;0 "From: gruncie@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gillian E Runcie CS92) Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland. Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: lister-06.cs.strath.ac.uk that's okay, he's perfectly welcome to come to Scotland you know ;-) ";-1;0 "From: rps@arbortext.COM (Ralph Seguin) Subject: finding out state of state keys (eg, CapsLock and NumLock) Organization: The Internet Lines: 19 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Hi. I've looked in the FAQ and the O-Reilly books and was unable to find (an easy) means of finding out the state of state keys such as CapsLock and NumLock. I can certainly track the events inside of my window and set a boolean there, but what if CapsLock is pressed in another window? I looked at XGrabKey() and decided it was definitely NOT what I wanted to do. I could find no convenience function to tell me that information. My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state of CapsLock and/or NumLock is? An even more pointed question: Is there an easy means of making an X keyboard act like a PC keyboard? ie, CapsLock is active, and the user presses shift-a, I'd like to get a lowercase 'a' instead of 'A'. Any input is greatly appreciated. Please respond via email. I will repost a summary of my findings. Thanks, Ralph ";-1;0 "From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 114 In article <1993Apr5.091139.823@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >> Didn't you say Lucifer was created with a perfect nature? > >Yes. > Define perfect then. >> I think you >> are playing the usual game here, make sweeping statements like omni-, >> holy, or perfect, and don't note that they mean exactly what they say. >> And that says that you must not use this terms when it leads to >> contradictions. > >I'm not trying to play games here. But I understand how it might seem >that way especially when one is coming from a completely different point >of view such as atheism. > Take your foot out of your mouth, I wondered about that already when I was a Catholic Christian. The fact that the contradiction is unresolvable is one of the reasons why I am an atheist. Believe me, I believed similar sentences for a long time. But that shows the power of religion and not anything about its claims. >>>Now God could have prevented Lucifer's fall by taking away his ability >>>to choose between moral alternatives (worship God or worship himself), >>>but that would mean that God was in error to have make Lucifer or any >>>being with free will in the first place. >> >> Exactly. God allows evil, an evil if there ever was one. >> > >Now that's an opinion, or at best a premise. But from my point of view, >it is not a premise which is necessary true, specifically, that it is >an evil to allow evil to occur. > It follows from a definition of evil as ordinarily used. Letting evil happen or allowing evil to take place, in this place even causing evil, is another evil. >> But could you give a definition of free will? Especially in the >> presence of an omniscient being? >> >""Will"" is ""self-determination"". In other words, God created conscious >beings who have the ability to choose between moral choices independently >of God. All ""will"", therefore, is ""free will"". > The omniscient attribute of god will know what the creatures will do even before the omnipotent has created them. There is no choice left. All is known, the course of events is fixed. Not even for the omniscient itself, to extend an argument by James Tims. >>>If God is omniscient, then >>>clearly, creating beings with free moral choice is a greater good than >>>the emergence of ungodliness (evil/sin) since He created them knowing >>>the outcome in advance. >> >> Why is it the greater good to allow evil with the knowledge that it >> will happen? Why not make a unipolar system with the possibility of >> doing good or not doing good, but that does not necessarily imply >> doing evil. It is logically possible, but your god has not done it. > >I do not know that such is logically possible. If God restrains a >free being's choice to choose to do evil and simply do ""not good"", >then can it be said that the being truly has a free moral choice? >And if ""good"" is defined as loving and obeying God, and avoiding >those behaviors which God prohibits, then how can you say that one >who is ""not good"" is not evil as well? Like I said, I am not sure >that doing ""not good"" without doing evil is logically possible. And when I am not omnipotent, how can I have free will? You have said something about choices and the scenario gives them. Therefore we have what you define as free will. Imagine the following. I can do good to other beings, but I cannot harm them. Easily implemented by making everyone appreciate being the object of good deeds, but don't make them long for them, so they can not feel the absence of good as evil. But whose case am I arguing? It is conceivable, so the omnipotent can do it. Or it would not be omnipotent. If you want logically consistent as well, you have to give up the pet idea of an omnipotent first. (Deletion) > >Perhaps it is weak, in a way. If I were just speculating about the >ubiquitous pink unicorns, then there would be no basis for such >speculation. But this idea of God didn't just fall on me out of the >blue :), or while reading science fiction or fantasy. (I know that >some will disagree) :) The Bible describes a God who is omniscient, >and nevertheless created beings with free moral choice, from which >the definitional logic follows. But that's not all there is to it. >There seems to be (at least in my mind) a certain amount of evidence >which indicates that God exists and that the Biblical description >of Him may be a fair one. It is that evidence which bolsters the >argument in my view. That the bible describes an omniscient and omnipotent god destroys the credibility of the bible, nothing less. And a lot of people would be interested in evidence for a god, unfortunately, there can't be any with these definitions. Benedikt ";-1;0 "From: semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Steve Emmett) Subject: Moscow Aviation Institute summer school Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Lines: 103 I have attached a copy of an announcement I picked up during my trip to Moscow last week. I have several friends at the Moscow Aviation Institute who have asked me to post this announcement. (I have done some editing, but the contents is unchanged from the original announcement.) For those of you not familiar with the Moscow Aviation Institute, it is the leading Russian school of higher education dedicated to the training of aircraft and spacecraft designers. It specializes in airframe design, powerplant design, control systems, and power systems. Virtually all of the major former Soviet airframe designers (Tupolev, Su, Iluchine, Migoyan, etc.) were schooled at MAI. I had the opportunity to tour the two museums that are maintained at MAI. The aircraft include Mig23, Su 27, Yak 38, the cockpit of an F-111(!), among others. It was a fascinating and eye opening experience, expecially given the fact that the museum was, until a year or so ago, closed to virtually everyone. I also had the opportunity to see some of the experiments being conducted with plasma drive engines for future space craft use. If you have any questions about the Institute, or the program, I would be glad to try and answer them. The institute, and most of it's faculty have e-mail addresses. However, it takes about a day or so for the receiver to get the message. They are still a bit antiquated - but they are rapidly changing! Steve Emmett semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ps please send any questions you have for me via e-mail. George Mason university has about a 2 week (!) delay in news feed delivery. ------------------------------------------------------------------- MOSCOW INTERNATIONAL AVIATION SCHOOL The aviation school ""Poljot"" (meaning Flight) is organized by the the Moscow Aviation Institute, the prominent Russian Center of airspace education and the foreign trade firm Poljot, well known in various parts of the world for their quartz and mechanical wrist watches. The course of studies will last only 50 days, but during this time you will have the unique opportunity: - to listen to intensive courses on the main aviation disciplines, the history and theory of techniques, and design of airplanes; - to visit and get acquainted with the world known Russian aviation firms - TU, MiG, Yak, Il and Su; - to meet and have discussions with famous aviation scientists, engineers and pilots; - to visit the most interesting museums of unique aviation techniques which were closed for many years to the public; - to see the International Airspace Show which will take place in Moscow from 31 August through 3 September 1993; - to visit famous art museums, historical and architectural monuments, theatres and concert halls; - to take part in sport competitions and have a great time with new friends. The Director of the school is Mr. Oleg Samelovich, a well known Russian scientist, professor, general designer and the Chief of the Airplanes Design Department of the Moscow Aviation Institute. Mr. Samelovich is one of the designers of the the Su-24, Su-25, and Su-27 The lectures are given in English, using a multi-media concept. The students are provided with all the necessary text books and literature. After the full course of studies are completed, the student will receive a special certificate of graduation. The cost of studies, including hotel, meals, excursions, theatres, etc is $3500. To apply for admission, send your application to: 109147 Moscow Marksistskaja 34 Foreign Trade Firm ""Poljot"" 274 00 13 (phone) 274 00 22 (FAX) 411989 POLEX SU (telex) In your application, include your full name, address, date and place of birth. In addition, include complete passport information, as well as a description of your education. Upon receipt of this information, ""Poljot"" will immediately forward to you an official invitation for obtaining a Russian entrance visa as well as details on payment. Should you require additional information, please do not hesitate to contact us. (signed) O. Samelovich ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Steve Emmett semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ CSI/Physics, George Mason University ";2;1 "From: yoshi@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Digital Exodus 1993) Subject: Reciever/CD Player/Keyboards for sale. Article-I.D.: leela.1pqneqINN9h3 Organization: OSU CS Outreach Services, Corvallis, Oregon Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.cs.orst.edu The following items are for sale: 1) ONKYO TX-901/910 reciever/amplifier. Only 2 months old. >PERFECT< condition. 45wpc (stereo), 4 speaker ability, 40 channel memory, has digital and direct tuning also. Plus, it also have an earphone jack... Bought for $350 new. Asking for no less than $250; best offer gets it (obviously). ...PRICE DROPPED TO $230... - No offers so far; what's the deal? No recievers needed? :( 2) Two ZEOS IBM-External keyboards. Under a month old, bought for $90 each new; selling for $35 a piece, or $65 for both. I pay shipping. (SNES has been sold, and the CD player still hasn't been sold; if you offer $170 or more, I will instantly send it to you...) (ask for stats. on the CD player) Yoshi. yoshi@atlantis.cs.orst.edu ";-1;0 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future. Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net I once read an article on Computer technology which stated that every new computer technology was actually lower and slower then what it replaced. Silicon was less effective then the germanium products then available. GaAs was less capable then Silicon. Multi-processors were slower then existent single processors. What the argument was, though was that these new technologies promised either theoretically future higher performance or lower cost or higher densities. I think that the DC-1 may g=fit into this same model. ELV's can certainly launch more weight then a SSRT, but an SSRT offers the prospect of greater cycle times and lower costs. This is kind of a speculative posting, but I thought i'd throw it out as a hjistorical framework for those interested in the project. pat ";-1;0 "From: Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) Subject: sore spot on testicles Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Distribution: na Lines: 17 My husband woke up three days ago with a small sore spot (a spot about the size of a nickel) on one of his testicles. Bottom side, no knots or lumps, just a little sore spot. He says it reminds him of how a bruise feels. He has no recollection of hitting it or anything like that that would cause a bruise. (He asssures me he'd remember something like that :-) Any clues as to what it might be? He's somewhat of a hypochondriac (sp?) so he's sure he's gonna die. . . Thanks!! -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 ";-1;0 "From: glp@phillson.cray.com (Gordon Phillips) Subject: Lyon lamb minivas-2 control of abekas A66 Originator: glp@phillson Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: phillson.cray.com Organization: Cray Research, Inc. We have a minivas-2 and we want to record to an Abekas A66. We have most of the functions working but when we go to set up a record the minivas hangs. We are sending the abekas SMPTE time code. Does anyone have code we can compare to what we have done and is there and ftp site for minivas and abekas code. Gordon Phillips glp@cray.com -- Gordon Phillips - glp@cray.com ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Free Moral Agency and Kent S. Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 19 In article , healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) wrote: > At the time Ezekiel was written, Israel was in apostacy again and if I'm not > mistaken, Tyre was about to make war on Israel. Like I said, the Prince of > Tyre was the human ruler of Tyre. He was a wicked man. By calling Satan > the King of Tyre, Ezekiel was saying that Satan is the real ruler over Tyre. Tammy, is this all explicitly stated in the bible, or do you assume that you know that Ezekiel indirectly mentioned? It could have been another metaphor, for instance Ezekiel was mad at his landlord, so he talked about him when he wrote about the prince of Tyre. Sorry, but my interpretation is more mundane, Ezekiel wrote about the prince of Tyre when we wrote about the prince of Tyre. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";9;1 "From: singg@alf.uib.no (Kurt George Gjerde) Subject: Re: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr19.191531.15865@news.media.mit.edu>, dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) writes: : : |> XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor); |> XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex); |> |> Then to draw I do: |> |> XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2); |> XFlush( myDisplay); |> |> And when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do: |> |> XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy); |> |> |> What I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of |> whatever I'm drawing over. Instead what happens is I get white lines. If |> the lines are over a white background - nothing shows up. If the lines are |> over a black area - nothing shows up! It's very strange. But the GXxor |> function seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and |> redraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image). |> |> Any suggestions what I'm doing wrong? |> |> david Try change the GXxor to GXequiv. I have to do this for programs that are to run on NCD terminals (on Sun terminals I have to change it back to GXxor)... Kurt. ";-1;0 "Subject: Phillies: A New Ballpark in Future? From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Keywords: Phillies Summary: Phillies Lines: 17 ATTN: Those who live inthe Philadelphia Metro area... Back in September I was listening to WIP, and I remember the morning guys were talking with Mayor Ed Rendell. The topic of conversation was a new ball park for the Phillies. The location for this new park was suggested to be near 30th St Station. At the time, the mayor was optimisitic that in the future this could become a reality. Has there been any new news on this subject or is it still a pipe dream? I know the city of Philadelphia has other projects ahead, such as the new convention center and the upcoming Spectrum II. But it would be nice to see this a reality. It is planned that the Phillies leave the VET and leave it solely to the Eagles (and if that's the case, the Eagles should make the VET a grass stadium, but that's another story). I want to see that day! comments? ";-1;0 "From: pp@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (peter.peng) Subject: need info on Mazda 626 Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: na Keywords: Mazeda 626 Lines: 15 I test drove a Mazda 626 LX this past weekend and liked it. The dealer offered it for $15K. 1) Is this a good price? 2) Any comments on 626 in general? Please use email. Thanks Peter att!hotsoup!peng ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: The religious persecution, cultural oppression and economical... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 161 In article <1993Apr21.202728.29375@news.uiowa.edu> mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes: >You may not be afraid of anything but you act as if you are. I always like your kind of odds. The Greek governments must be held to account for the sub-human conditions of the Turkish minority living in the Western Thrace under the brutal Greek domination. The religious persecution, cultural oppression and economical ex-communication applied to the Turkish population in that area are the dimensions of the human rights abuse widespread in Greece. ""Greece's Housing Policies Worry Western Thrace Turks"" ...Newly built houses belonging to members of the minority community in Dedeagac province, had, he said, been destroyed by Evros province public works department on Dec. 4. Sungar added that they had received harsh treatment by the security forces during the demolition. ""This is not the first demolition in Dedeagac province; more than 40 houses were destroyed there between 1979-1984 and members of that minority community were made homeless,"" he continued. ""Greece Government Rail-Roads Two Turkish Ethnic Deputies"" While World Human Rights Organizations Scream, Greeks Persistently Work on Removing the Parliamentary Immunity of Dr. Sadik Ahmet and Mr. Ahmet Faikoglu. In his 65-page confession, Salman Demirok, a former chief of PKK operations in Hakkari confessed that high-level relations between PKK, Greece and Greek Cypriot administration existed. According to Demirok, Greek Cypriot administration not only gives shelter to PKK guerillas but also supplies them with food and weapons at the temporary camps set up in its territory. Demirok disclosed that PKK has three safe houses in South Cyprus, used by terrorists such as Ferhat. In the camps, he added, terrorists were trained to use various weapons including RPG's and anti-aircraft guns which had been purchased directly from the Greek government. Greek Cypriot government has gone to the extent of issuing special identification cards to PKK members so that they can travel from one region to another without being confronted by legal obstacles. Demirok's account was confirmed by another PKK defector, Fatih Tan, who gave himself over to police in Hakkari after spending four years with PKK. Tan explained that the terrorists went through a training in camps in South Cyprus, sometimes for a period of 12 weeks or more. ""Torture in Greece: Hidden Reality"" Case 1: Kostas Andreadis and Dimitris Voglis. ...Andreadis' head was covered with a hood and he was tortured by falanga (beating on the soles of the feet), electric shocks, and was threatened with being thrown out of the window. An official medical report clearly documented this torture.... Case 2: Horst Bosniatzki, a West German Citizen. ...At midnight he was taken to the beach, chains were put to his feet and he was threatened to be thrown to the sea. He was dragged along the beach for about a 1.5 Km while being punched on the head and kidneys...Back on the police station, he was beaten on the finger tips with a thin stick until one of the fingertips split open.... Case 3: Torture of Dimitris Voglis. Case 4: Brothers Vangelis (16) and Christos Arabatzis (12), Vasilis Papadopoulos (13), and Kostas Kiriazis (13). Case 5: Torture of Eight Students at Thessaloniki Police Headquarters. SOURCE: The British Broadcasting Corporation, Summary of World Broadcasting -July 6, 1987: Part 4-A: The Middle East, ME/8612/A/1. ""Abu Nidal's Advisers"" Reportedly Training ""PKK & ASALA Militants"" in Cyprus Nicosia, Ankara, Tel Aviv. The Israeli secret service, Mossad, is reported to have acquired significant information in connection with the camps set up in the Troodos mountains in Cyprus for the training of militants of the PKK and ASALA {Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia}. According to sources close to Mossad, about 700 Kurdish, Greek Cypriot and Armenian militants are undergoing training in the Troodos mountains in southern Cyprus. The same sources stated that Abu Nidal's special advisers are giving military training to the PKK and ASALA militants in the camps. They added that the militants leave southern Cyprus for Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Greece and Iran after completing their training. Mossad has established that due to the clashes which were taking place among the terrorist groups based in Syria, the PKK and ASALA organisations moved to the Greek Cypriot part of Cyprus, where they would be more comfortable. They also transferred a number of their camps in northern Syria to the Troodos mountains. Mossad revealed that the Armenian National Movement, which is known as the MNA, has opened liaison offices in Nicosia, Athens and Tripoli in order to meet the needs of the camps. The offices are used to provide material support for the Armenian camps. Meanwhile, the leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, George Habash, is reported to have ordered his men not to participate in the operations carried out by the PKK & ASALA, which he described as ""extreme racist, extreme nationalist and fascist."" Reliable sources have said that Habash believed that the recent operations carried out by the PKK militants show that organisation to be a band of irregulars engaged in extreme nationalist operations. They added that he instructed his militants to sever their links with the PKK and avoid clashing with it. It has been established that George Habash expelled ASALA militants from his camp after ASALA's connections with drug trafficking were exposed. Source: Alan Cowell, 'U.S. & Greece in Dispute on Terror,' The New York Times, June 27, 1987, p. 4. Special to The New York Times ATHENS, June 26 - A dispute developed today between Athens and Washington over United States intelligence reports saying that Athens, for several months, conducted negotiations with the terrorist known as Abu Nidal... They said the contacts were verified in what were termed hard intelligence reports. Abu Nidal leads the Palestinian splinter group Al Fatah Revolutionary Council, implicated in the 1985 airport bombings at Rome and Vienna that contributed to the Reagan Administration's decision to bomb Tripoli, Libya, last year. In Washington, State Department officials said that when Administration officials learned about the contacts, the State Department drafted a strongly worded demarche. The officials also expressed unhappiness with Greece's dealings with ASALA, the Armenian Liberation Army, which has carried out terrorist acts against Turks.... Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: Nanci Ann Miller Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr5.020504.19326@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > More horrible deaths resulted from atheism than anything else. There are definitely quite a few horrible deaths as the result of both atheists AND theists. I'm sure Bobby can list quite a few for the atheist side but fails to recognize that the theists are equally proficient at genocide. Perhaps, since I'm a bit weak on history, somone here would like to give a list of wars caused/led by theists? I can think of a few (Hitler claimed to be a Christian for example) but a more complete list would probably be more effective in showing Bobby just how absurd his statement is. > Peace, On a side note, I notice you always sign your posts ""Peace"". Perhaps you should take your own advice and leave the atheists in peace with their beliefs? > Bobby Mozumder Nanci ......................................................................... If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu): Lying to ourselves is more deeply ingrained than lying to others. ";-1;0 "From: IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM (""Imaging Club"") Subject: Re: Signature Image Database Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs Lines: 21 Contact Signaware Corp 800-4583820 800 6376564 -------------------------------- Original Memo -------------------------------- BCC: Vincent Wall From: Imaging Club Subject: Signature verification ? Date Sent: 05/04/93 sci.image.processing From: yyqi@ece.arizona.edu (Yingyong Qi) Subject: Signature Image Database Organization: U of Arizona Electrical and Computer Engineering Hi, All: Could someone tell me if there is a database of handwriting signature images available for evaluating signature verification systems. Thanks. YY ";-1;0 "From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: Islam & Dress Code for women Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 120 In <16BA7103C3.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.091258.11830@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> >darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: > >(Deletion) >>>>Of course people say what they think to be the religion, and that this >>>>is not exactly the same coming from different people within the >>>>religion. There is nothing with there existing different perspectives >>>>within the religion -- perhaps one can say that they tend to converge on >>>>the truth. >> >>>My point is that they are doing a lot of harm on the way in the meantime. >>> >>>And that they converge is counterfactual, religions appear to split and >>>diverge. Even when there might be a 'True Religion' at the core, the layers >>>above determine what happens in practise, and they are quite inhumane >>>usually. >>> > >What you post then is supposed to be an answer, but I don't see what is has >got to do with what I say. > >I will repeat it. Religions as are harm people. And religions don't >converge, they split. Giving more to disagree upon. And there is a lot >of disagreement to whom one should be tolerant or if one should be >tolerant at all. Ideologies also split, giving more to disagree upon, and may also lead to intolerance. So do you also oppose all ideologies? I don't think your argument is an argument against religion at all, but just points out the weaknesses of human nature. >(Big deletion) >>(2) Do women have souls in Islam? >> >>People have said here that some Muslims say that women do not have >>souls. I must admit I have never heard of such a view being held by >>Muslims of any era. I have heard of some Christians of some eras >>holding this viewpoint, but not Muslims. Are you sure you might not be >>confusing Christian history with Islamic history? > >Yes, it is supposed to have been a predominant view in the Turkish >Caliphate. I would like a reference if you have got one, for this is news to me. >>Anyhow, that women are the spiritual equals of men can be clearly shown >>from many verses of the Qur'an. For example, the Qur'an says: >> >>""For Muslim men and women, -- >>for believing men and women, >>for devout men and women, >>for true men and women, >>for men and women who are patient and constant, >>for men and women who humble themselves, >>for men and women who give in charity, >>for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), >>for men and women who guard their chastity, >>and for men and women who engage much in God's praise -- >>For them has God prepared forgiveness and a great reward."" >> >>[Qur'an 33:35, Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation] >> >>There are other quotes too, but I think the above quote shows that men >>and women are spiritual equals (and thus, that women have souls just as >>men do) very clearly. >> > >No, it does not. It implies that they have souls, but it does not say they >have souls. And it is not given that the quote above is given a high >priority in all interpretations. One must approach the Qur'an with intelligence. Any thinking approach to the Qur'an cannot but interpret the above verse and others like it that women and men are spiritual equals. I think that the above verse does clearly imply that women have souls. Does it make any sense for something without a soul to be forgiven? Or to have a great reward (understood to be in the after-life)? I think the usual answer would be no -- in which case, the part saying ""For them has God prepared forgiveness and a great reward"" says they have souls. (If it makes sense to say that things without souls can be forgiven, then I have no idea _what_ a soul is.) As for your saying that the quote above may not be given a high priority in all interpretations, any thinking approach to the Qur'an has to give all verses of the Qur'an equal priority. That is because, according to Muslim belief, the _whole_ Qur'an is the revelation of God -- in fact, denying the truth of any part of the Qur'an is sufficient to be considered a disbeliever in Islam. >Quite similar to you other post, even when the Quran does not encourage >slavery, it is not justified to say that iit forbids or puts an end to >slavery. It is a non sequitur. Look, any approach to the Qur'an must be done with intelligence and thought. It is in this fashion that one can try to understand the Quran's message. In a book of finite length, it cannot explicitly answer every question you want to put to it, but through its teachings it can guide you. I think, however, that women are the spiritual equals of men is clearly and unambiguously implied in the above verse, and that since women can clearly be ""forgiven"" and ""rewarded"" they _must_ have souls (from the above verse). Let's try to understand what the Qur'an is trying to teach, rather than try to see how many ways it can be misinterpreted by ignoring this passage or that passage. The misinterpretations of the Qur'an based on ignoring this verse or that verse are infinite, but the interpretations fully consistent are more limited. Let's try to discuss these interpretations consistent with the text rather than how people can ignore this bit or that bit, for that is just showing how people can try to twist Islam for their own ends -- something I do not deny -- but provides no reflection on the true teachings of Islam whatsoever. Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ";-1;0 "From: delliott@access.digex.com (David N. Elliott) Subject: Computer Stuff for sale Article-I.D.: access.1psb9r$j8e Distribution: usa Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net For sale in the Baltimore - DC Area One Mac 2X 8/80 with Radius 24 Bit Color Dual Page display and adapter Microtek 300Z color scanner QMS ColorScript 10 Color Postscript Printer 2400 Baud Modem Dyanfile with 360 K and 1.2Meg Floppies 30 Software packages including Pagemaker, Quark Express, Style, Photoshop, etc $7000 OBO One Compaq LTE 286 with internal modem and 1.5 Meg ram 20 Hard drive $750 OBO One Compaq SLT 286 with 5 Meg ram and 40 Meg Hard drive $950 OBO One Compaq 386N motherboard only Make an offer this has just returned from Compaq Service. Six Muxes with 9600 Baud modems built in. Make an offer 20 S-100 CPU from a Multi-user TurboDos system Offer Contact Elliott @ (703) 329-7773 office (410) 992-1734 Home or delliott@digex.com internet ";-1;0 "From: randy@msc.cornell.edu (Randy Ellingson) Subject: re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Keywords: printer Organization: Cornell University Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr18.041741.6051@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) writes: > >Hello fellow 'netters. > >I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I >should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500. I >thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from >relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest >potential. And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls >better than any salesperson. > >Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 >dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi). >Which is faster? Is there a noticeable print quality difference, >particularly in graphics? Which will handle large documents better (75 >pages or more) -- any personal experience on either will be appreciated >here? Which works better under Windows 3.1 (any driver problems, etc)? >Cost of memory, font packages, toner cartridges, etc? Basically, your >personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable, >both good and bad. > >Advance kudos and thanks for all your input. E-mail or news posting is >readily acceptable, but e-mail is encouraged (limits bandwidth). > >-- >Sincerely, > >Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu > >""In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."" >""You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision > revised?!?!"" Sorry for the followup, but I couldn'y get email through on your addresses. I, too, am trying to decide between these two printers, and I would like to hear what users of these printers have to say about the questions above. Thank you. Randy randy@msc.cornell.edu ";-1;0 "From: ""danny hawrysio"" Subject: radiosity Reply-To: ""danny hawrysio"" Organization: Canada Remote Systems Distribution: comp Lines: 9 -> I am looking for source-code for the radiosity-method. I don't know what kind of machine you want it for, but the program Radiance comes with 'C' source code - I don't have ftp access so I couldn't tell you where to get it via that way. -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044 ";-1;0 "From: mac@utkvx.bitnet (Richard J. McDougald) Subject: Re: Why does Illustrator AutoTrace so poorly? Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 22 In article <0010580B.vmcbrt@diablo.UUCP> diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) writes: Yeah, Corel Draw and WordPerfect Presentations pretty limited here, too. Since there's no (not really) such thing as a decent raster to vector conversion program, this ""tracing"" technique is about it. Simple stuff, like b&w logos, etc. do pretty well, while more complicated stuff goes haywire. I suspect (even though I don't write code) that a good bitmapped to vector conversion program would probably be as big as most of these application softwares we're using -- but even so, how come one hasn't been written? (to my knowledge). I mean, even Hijaak, one of the commercial industry standards of file conversion, hasn't attempted it yet. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mac McDougald * Any opinions expressed herein The Photography Center * are not necessarily (actually, Univ. of Tenn. Knoxville 37996 * are almost CERTAINLY NOT) those mac@utkvx.utk.edu * of The University of Tennessee. mac@utkvx.bitnet * (615-974-3449) * ""Things are more like they are now (615-974-6435) FAX * than they've ever been before."" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ";1;1 "From: rschnapp@metaflow.com (Russ Schnapp) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: habu Organization: Metaflow Technologies Inc. Lines: 19 It might be nice to: 1. cut out the ad hominem attacks on Prof. Denning, Mr. Sternlight, etc. If you have something objective to say about their views, go ahead and say it (subject to point 2.). Personal attacks reflect more on the attacker more than on the attackee. Throw light, not heat! 2. restrict the discussion to appropriate newsgroups. I submit that comp.org.acm and comp.org.ieee are not appropriate for this discussion. You have now made subscribers to these newsgroups aware of the issue. If they want to know more or participate in the discussion, they can easily join sci.crypt, comp.security.misc, alt.security, or comp.org.eff.talk. -- ...Russ Schnapp Email: netcom!metaflow!rschnapp or rschnapp@Metaflow.com or rschnapp@BIX.com Metaflow Technologies Voice: 619/452-6608x230; FAX: 619/452-0401 La Jolla, California Unless otw specified, I`m speaking only for myself! ";-1;0 "From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia. Lines: 42 In article , aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes: > > [Very good and reasonable statements on ""authority"" deleted] > > The atheist position seems to be that there are no authorities. This is a > reasonable assertion in itself, but it leads to a practical difficulty. > If you reject all authority out of hand, you reject all possibility of > every receiving information. Thus the atheist position can never possibly > change. It is non-falsifiable and therefore unscintific. This is not true. The athiest's position is that there is no PROOF of the existence of God. As much as some people accept their Church, their priests or straight from their own scriptures as the ""proof"", this does not satisfy atheists. Atheists DO believe in recognisable authorities. If they were as dogmatic as you claim they are, they would be trying to prove 1 + 1 =2 every time they got up. What they dispute is that Churches, priests, scriptures etc. represent true authorities and know the TRUTH. > To demand scintific or rational proof of God's existence, is to deny > God's existence, since neither science, nor reason, can, in their very > nature, prove anything. Are you asking us to believe blindly? You are trying to deny that part of us that makes us ask the question ""Does God exist?"" i.e. self-awareness and reason. If we do not use our ability to reason we become as ignorant as the other animals on this earth. Does God want us to be like that? You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything. However, if we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone. And since we can only use faith, why is one picture of ""God"" (e.g. Hinduism) any less valid than another (e.g. Christianity)? > ============================================================================== > Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but > aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis > ============================================================================== -- Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168. ";-1;0 "From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) Subject: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, Apr 20 Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL Lines: 111 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, APR 19, 1993 Not because you were too busy but because Israelists in the US media spiked it. ................ THOSE INTREPID ISRAELI SOLDIERS Israeli soldiers have sexually taunted Arab women in the occupied Gaza Strip during the three-week-long closure that has sealed Palestinians off from the Jewish state, Palestinian sources said on Sunday. The incidents occurred in the town of Khan Younis and involved soldiers of the Golani Brigade who have been at the centre of house-to-house raids for Palestinian activists during the closure, which was imposed on the strip and occupied West Bank. Five days ago girls at the Al-Khansaa secondary said a group of naked soldiers taunted them, yelling: ``Come and kiss me.'' When the girls fled, the soldiers threw empty bottles at them. On Saturday, a group of soldiers opened their shirts and pulled down their pants when they saw girls from Al-Khansaa walking home from school. Parents are considering keeping their daughters home from the all-girls school. The same day, soldiers harassed two passing schoolgirls after a youth escaped from them at a boys' secondary school. Deputy Principal Srur Abu-Jamea said they shouted abusive language at the girls, backed them against a wall, and put their arms around them. When teacher Hamdan Abu-Hajras intervened the soldiers kicked him and beat him with the butts of their rifles. On Tuesday, troops stopped a car driven by Abdel Azzim Qdieh, a practising Moslem, and demanded he kiss his female passenger. Qdieh refused, the soldiers hit him and the 18-year-old passenger kissed him to stop the beating. On Friday, soldiers entered the home of Zamno Abu-Ealyan, 60, blindfolded him and his wife, put a music tape on a recorder and demanded they dance. As the elderly couple danced, the soldiers slipped away. The coupled continued dancing until their grandson came in and asked what was happening. The army said it was checking the reports. .................... ISRAELI TROOPS BAR CHRISTIANS FROM JERUSALEM Israeli troops prevented Christian Arabs from entering Jerusalem on Thursday to celebrate the traditional mass of the Last Supper. Two Arab priests from the Greek Orthodox church led some 30 worshippers in prayer at a checkpoint separating the occupied West Bank from Jerusalem after soldiers told them only people with army-issued permits could enter. ``Right now, our brothers are celebrating mass in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and we were hoping to be able to join them in prayer,'' said Father George Makhlouf of the Ramallah Parish. Israel sealed off the occupied lands two weeks ago after a spate of Palestinian attacks against Jews. The closure cut off Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza Strip from Jerusalem, their economic, spiritual and cultural centre. Father Nicola Akel said Christians did not want to suffer the humiliation of requesting permits to reach holy sites. Makhlouf said the closure was discriminatory, allowing Jews free movement to take part in recent Passover celebrations while restricting Christian celebrations. ``Yesterday, we saw the Jews celebrate Passover without any interruption. But we cannot reach our holiest sites,'' he said. An Israeli officer interrupted Makhlouf's speech, demanding to see his identity card before ordering the crowd to leave. ................... If you are as revolted at this as I am, drop Israel's best friend email and let him know what you think. 75300.3115@compuserve.com (via CompuServe) clintonpz@aol.com (via America Online) clinton-hq@campaign92.org (via MCI Mail) Tell 'em ARF sent ya. .................................. If you are tired of ""learning"" about American foreign policy from what is effectively, Israeli controlled media, I highly recommend checking out the Washington Report. A free sample copy is available by calling the American Education Trust at: (800) 368 5788 Tell 'em arf sent you. js ";-1;0 "From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) Subject: Re: Representation of Territories? (Was: Re: The $11,250,000,000,000 lunch) Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin TX Distribution: tx Lines: 17 In article cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes: > Does anyone have knowledge about how this was handled in >the past, such as with the Louisiana Territory or the Northwest >Territory? Those areas became states. Puerto Rico has the population needed to become a state. But the ethnic mix there is such that Puerto Rico will probably never become a state. I say we cut them loose. If they don't want to become a state, we shouldn't continue to subsidize their existence. -- John F. Haugh II [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [ DoF #17 ] @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org Look up ""Ponzi Scheme"" in a good dictionary - it will have a picture of Joe Liberal Handout right next to it. Stop federal spending. Cut the deficit. ";-1;0 "From: tafi3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Ian Deeley) Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>> Organization: University of Sussex Lines: 25 From article , by mikeh@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Hollyman): > Hi, I have an 82 CB750 Custom that I just replaced the cylinder head gasket > on. Now when I put it back together again, it wouldn't idle at all. It was > only running on 2-3 cylinders and it would backfire and spit flames out the > exhaust on the right side. The exhaust is 4-2 MAC. I bought new plugs > today and it runs very rough and still won't idle. I am quite sure the fine > tune knobs on the carbs are messed up. I checked the timing, it was fine, so > I advanced it a little and that didn't help. > > I assume the carbs need to be synched. Can I buy a kit and do this myself? > If so, what kit is the best for the price. > > Any other suggestions? > I dont think its the carbs that are out, I would suspect that the cam timing is out, & as you say that you had the head off, that would make sense to me, Ian. Just my 0.02 emu's worth. -- Ian Deeley ""...Whatever you do will be School of Engineering | | insignificant, but its very University of Sussex --=oOo=-- important that you do it.."" England. Anon ";-1;0 "From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 63 In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >On the other hand, we can draw lessons from neighbors who are more >culturally similar, namely the Canadians... I don't think such a Canada is any more ""culturally similar"" to the United States than England. In terms of laws regarding individual rights, restrictions on police searches, etc... (all closely related to crime) Canadian laws parallel England's and differ greatly from those of the United States. >...In fact, an exhaustive, >seven-year study has already been done of the respective crime rates >of Vancouver, British Columbia and Seattle, Washington... cities >with roughly the same population, urban economy, geography >and crime but with decidedly different approaches to gun control. Actually, they do not have ""roughly the same... urban economy"", and extremely different ethnic composition. >Over the seven-year study, 388 homicides occurred in Seattle >(11.3 per 100,000) vs. 204 homicides in Vancouver (6.9 per 100,000). >After adjustment for differences in age and sex among the populations, >the relative risk of being a victim of homicide in Seattle, as >compared to Vancouver, was found to be 1.63. However, if you account for economic and ethnic differences, the difference disappears completely: Seattle's minorities are predominatly poor, while Vancouver's are middle or upper class. The rates for whites in both cities were found to be identicle, while the rate for poor, Seattle minorities was almost three times as great as for the well-to-do minorities of Vancouver. The pattern seems to be one of poverty and race relations, not one of gun control. >The authors of the report also investigated ""legally justifiable"" >homicides (self-defense). Only 32 such homicides occurred during >the seven-year study, 11 of which were committed by police. Only >21 cases of civilians acting in self-defense occurrred... That is a gross distortion: ""Self-defense"" does not mean killing the attacker. There were 21 cases of civilians killing their attacker in self-defence. But such cases represent less that 0.5% of the crimes prevented by armed self-defence; for every case you cite, there were over 200 other cases of self-defence where the crime was prevented but the attacker was not killed. (0.5%, by the way, is the most conservative possible figure, based on the National Crime Survey's estimate of 80,000 crimes prevented by armed self-defence each year. Most other studies on the subject put the figure at 500,000 to 600,000. Those figures would imply less than 0.08% of sucessful self-defences involve killing the attacker.) So, more correctly, there over 4000 (possibly as many as 25,000) cases of civilians acting in self-defence, only 21 of which resulted in the death of the attacker. This is a significant factor, in comparison to the 592 homicides. If memory serves, homicides make up approximately 1% of the violent crimes the study considered, so the fair comparison would be 40 - 250 homicides prevented and 592 homicides. Clearly, the study can not be close to accurate, since it ignored these cases of self-defence. Frank Crary CU Boulder ";3;1 "From: LLBGB@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu Subject: chip / chipset for code 39 barcode? Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Distribution: usa Reply-To: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu While I'm on the net bugging everyone, is there such a thing as a chip or chipset to decode Code 39 barcode? I ask for a couple of reasons -- mainly I want a reasonably compact encoding scheme to write information on magstripe cards and Code 39 appears to be about right. (If the 'right' way to do it is something else, and it's reasonably easy, can someone let me know?) I might not get a chance to reply too quickly to this or my earlier post, but I'll get to them within a couple days, I think .. thanx everyone! lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ";-1;0 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Political Atheists? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang) writes: >I was looking for a rigorous definition because otherwise we would be >spending the rest of our lives arguing what a ""Christian"" really >believes. I don't think we need to argue about this. >KS>Do you think that the motto points out that this country is proud >KS>of its freedom of religion, and that this is something that >KS>distinguishes us from many other countries? >MW>No. >KS>Well, your opinion is not shared by most people, I gather. >Perhaps not, but that is because those seeking to make government >recognize Christianity as the dominant religion in this country do not >think they are infringing on the rights of others who do not share >their beliefs. Yes, but also many people who are not trying to make government recognize Christianity as the dominant religion in this country do no think the motto infringes upon the rights of others who do not share their beliefs. And actually, I think that the government already does recognize that Christianity is the dominant religion in this country. I mean, it is. Don't you realize/recognize this? This isn't to say that we are supposed to believe the teachings of Christianity, just that most people do. >Like I've said before I personally don't think the motto is a major >concern. If you agree with me, then what are we discussing? >KS>Since most people don't seem to associate Christmas with Jesus much >KS>anymore, I don't see what the problem is. >Can you prove your assertion that most people in the U.S. don't >associate Christmas with Jesus anymore? No, but I hear quite a bit about Christmas, and little if anything about Jesus. Wouldn't this figure be more prominent if the holiday were really associated to a high degree with him? Or are you saying that the association with Jesus is on a personal level, and that everyone thinks about it but just never talks about it? That is, can *you* prove that most people *do* associate Christmas most importantly with Jesus? >Anyways, the point again is that there are people who do associate >Christmas with Jesus. It doesn't matter if these people are a majority >or not. I think the numbers *do* matter. It takes a majority, or at least a majority of those in power, to discriminate. Doesn't it? keith ";-1;0 "From: Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 10 Al Weiss played second for the White Sox in the early sixties, chiefly as back up to Don Buford. Good glove, no hit, some spunk. (Which reminds me: do they still serve Kosher hot dogs at the new Comiskey?) -- Mark Bernstein Eastgate Systems, Inc. 134 Main Street Watertown MA 02172 USA voice: (800) 562-1638 in USA +1(617) 924-9044 Eastgate@world.std.com Compuserve: 76146,262 AppleLink:Eastgate ";-1;0 "From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com (John Vanderpool) Subject: anybody have patched version of xroach for tvtwm??? Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 19 i read about the code you can put in to most applications so that the virtual desktop stuff in tvtwm doesn't confuse them (or is the application confusing the virtual-ness? [chicken & the egg?] but wanted to see if it has been applied to a version of xroach i never could quite get ssetroot to work either? any suggestions. luckily xv -root -quit does the trick for the most part also, i'ld be quite interested in hearing more about the icon region for each virtual window under tvtwm that i read a thread on last week here thanx, fish -- John R. Vanderpool INTERNET: fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov NASA/GSFC/HSTX VOX: 301-513-1683 ""So you run, and you run, to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking, racing around to come up behind you again."" -rw/dg ";12;1 "From: tek2q@Virginia.EDU (""Todd Karlin"") Subject: Re: Mel Hall Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 10 warped@cs.montana.edu writes: > > Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't > with the Yankees any more. What happened to him? > > Doug Dolven Japan, I think. ";-1;0 "From: texdude@cs1.bradley.edu (Philip Allen) Subject: Ryan rumor... Article-I.D.: cs1.texdude.734914692 Organization: Bradley University Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.bradley.edu This just in... Nolan Ryan hurt his right knee in the 4th inning of the Rangers-Orioles game last night. He'll be having arthoscopic surgery that will, at best, keep him on the DL for two to five weeks. Just when I had almost convinced myself that the Rangers' rotation would stay healthy this year... Phil Allen texdude@cs1.bradley.edu ";-1;0 "From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Chris Mussack) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: mussack@austin.ibm.com Lines: 14 In article , dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: > > Do the words ""Question Authority"" mean anything to you? > > I defy any theist to reply. For all those people who insist I question authority: Why? Chris Mussack (This is another example of my biting, raw-edged humor that is neither appreciated nor understood by everyone.) #8;-)> {Messy hair, glasses, winking, smiling, big chin} ";-1;0 "From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Subject: Re: How much should I pay for a SCSI cable (with 3 or 4 connectors)? Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA Lines: 21 In danj@hub.parallan.com (Dan Jones) writes: | > >Also, I seem to remember a posting saying that the SCSI spec calls for | > >1 foot between devices on the cable, but most cables you get (internal) | > >don't meet the spec. | | SCSI II Draft Proposal, Rev. 10h, Section 4.2.1: Single-Ended | cable, which is in the Cable Requirements Section, has an | implementor's note: "" Stub clustering should be avoided. Stubs | should be spaced at least 0.3 meters apart."" | | For the non-technical, stubs are SCSI devices. :-) However, also be aware that Implementor's notes are basicly recommendations, they are *NOT* part of the spec. As others have noted, many vendors (including SGI) violate this. Indeed, the main point is to reduce impedance changes, and therefore reflections, and therefore 'noise' on the bus. -- Let no one tell me that silence gives consent, | Dave Olson because whoever is silent dissents. | Silicon Graphics, Inc. Maria Isabel Barreno | olson@sgi.com ";-1;0 "From: scornd7@technet.sg (Tang Chang Thai) Subject: Re: InterViews graphics package Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 9 Rene S. Dutch student (renes@ecpdsharmony.cern.ch) wrote: : I'm trying out the C++ graphics package InterViews. Besides the man pages : on the classes, I haven't got any documentation. Is there anything else : around? Furthermore, can anyone send me a (small!) example program : which shows how to use these classes together ? I would be very gratefull... You might want to try comp.windows.interviews. ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: Statement to everyone on t.p.g <1993Apr19.201300.27080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr19.201300.27080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says: > >Clue - Kratz' position isn't a defense against inaccuracy. > >I oppose gun control because it doesn't work. If it did, I'd support >it. In fact, I supported gun control before I did my homework. > >There's no demand for pro-gun people who don't know what they're >talking about. In fact, they'd be much better off if they didn't say >anything. > And why is this Freeman? Even if a pro-gun person doesn't know what they are talking about there is always the possibility that they will learn a thing or two. I am and will continue to post even if people get angry with what I have to say. I have several good sources of material now that I know where to look so calm down. >There's lots of information flowing on tpg for those interested in >learning. One can participate in those discussions without ranting >inaccurately. Failure to do so has consequences. > Ah, Freeman seems to forget from my statement that I am learning. I have also asked several of the not-so-hostile folks on this group for sources of information to read. Do you think, Freeman, that maybe this means I am interested in learning? I think it does because as you said people who don't know anything won't be good for the pro-gun cause. >Another good habit to get into is to go read-only for a while, to take >the time to figure out how things work. > Another good habit to get into is to realize that not everyone is you Freeman and accept mistakes. Sure, maybe it could have been some type of misinformation being slung by some anti-gun nut but it wasn't. I made my statement to inform everyone of this and everyone who replied said don't worry about it but also to learn as much as you can. They accepted my mistake and gave me sources of information and told me to read as much as possible. I have read several posts of yours and have found them informative. Why don't you give me the same chance? >-andy Jason ";-1;0 "From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) Subject: Re: The Tories could win the ""lottery""...Clinton GST? Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr16.031616.23130@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: > >This country is hardly ruined. In fact, it is booming compared to after the >1980 election. > >This whole ""USA has gone to hell and Reagan/Bush caused it"", is not only lame, >pathetic, and old....... it's wrong. > >Under Reagan/Bush the economy grew by 1.1 trillion dollars. This is more than >the entire economy of Germany, a ""kind, gentle"" country, in many peoples' >books. What a joke. Drive down to Cincinnati and take a look. Not pretty, is it? Things were much better there in 1980. All that growth went into the hands of Ron and Georgie's pals, and I DIDN'T GET A SINGLE DIME OF IT, DAMMIT. And, now, I'm gonna be bled to death by tax leeches to pay for the damage. F***ing great. Oh, here's another thing. Seems like a lot of people in Columbus drive over to Marysville and make Japanese cars. Hm. I wonder how many American-owned companies employ those in Central Ohio? Other than Ohio State University. :) cpk -- It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is? Slick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid of what he might grab hold of. ";-1;0 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 21 Robbie Po writes: >gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) says: >>Locked away, waiting for the tape-delay to start ... > >I think this guy is going to be just a little bit disappointed. Why? I'm calling this Penguins ... in 6. Only that with the way things stand, the only radio game at that hour is from the Devils on WABC, 770 AM. It'd be nice to have a Sony Watchman, but ... No need to be paranoid, Robbie. Don't judge me by my geographic coordinates ... Jets over Nordiques in the final ... 7. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";13;1 "From: cocoa@netcom.com Subject: Re: Jewish history question Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 60 In article <1993Apr10.195513.17991@csi.uottawa.ca> misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel) writes: >In article , cocoa@netcom.com (little 'e') writes: > [deleted] >> Here tis. Someone just told me that the Old Testament books were translated >> into Greek a long time ago > > Yes, that's a famous version called The Septuagint. It was a translation >made by Greek Jews. > >> and that the originals were destroyed in a fire soon afterward. > > I don't know what you're referring to here. When the Jersusalem Temple was >destroyed, some manuscripts may have been lost, but I think our extant Hebrew >manuscripts are as good as our Greek ones. I don't know about any ""originals"". The person who was telling me about the Septuagint version said that the Greeks had a wonderful library in Alexandria that was full of manuscripts/scrolls and that it was burned soon after the Septuagint version was translated (perhaps to conceal some changes in the different versions, or perhaps just as part of the typical burning of valuable things that occurs during changes in power groups, he/I dunno). >> So, I was just wondering, since I imagine some Jewish people somewhere must >> have had copies of the earlier Hebrew versions, is the Hebrew version of the >> Old Testament very different from the Greek derived version? > No. There are a few famous discrepancies (Isaiah's prophecy about a ""young >woman"" was changed into a ""virgin"", which was how the New Testament writers >read it), but not many. Well, perhaps this is the answer then. [deleted] > If you go to a Jewish bookstore, you'll get a Bible translated by Jews, so >there will be some differences in interpretation, but the text they're >translating *from* is basically the same. > > If you want to read ""the original"", you can buy an Interlinear Bible. That >contains the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament, with an English >translation written underneath each word. > > If you want a Bible with a possibly-more-original basic text, you can try >to find a Samaritan bible. (Good luck! I've never seen one.) The Samaritans >(no, not the Good Samaritans) have their own version of the 5 Books of Moses. >They claim the Jewish bible was altered by Ezra. Thanks for the tips. Now I just have to find someone to teach me Samaritan :) Just me, little 'e' (so, is a ""good Samaritan hard to find?"" or ""is a hard... "" Oh, finish this yourself.) -- * * * Chocolatier at Arms, and Castle Wetware Liason * * * * * * e-mail: cocoa@netcom.com - voicemail: 415-337-4940 * * * ";-1;0 "From: drickel@bounce.mentorg.com (Dave Rickel) Subject: Re: Quaint US Archaisms Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr06.090626.21880 Organization: Mentor Graphics Lines: 14 Originator: drickel@bounce Nntp-Posting-Host: bounce.mentorg.com In article , nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: |> Oh, and the other advantage is that you don't have shit constants like |> 32.??? hanging around. No, instead you have stupid things like 3600 and 86400 and 31556925.9747 and 299792.458 and 9.80665 and ... How many cc's in a ml anyway? The metric system has its problems, just not as many of them. david rickel drickel@sjc.mentorg.com ";-1;0 "From: jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 34 In article <1qnupd$jpm@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: >jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes: >> Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. > >Hey, it's better than the status quo. > >I am far less worried about ""the feds"" tapping my phone than high school >scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and >cordless phone calls. > Really? Why are so you worried about high school kids ""getting their kicks"" with scanners, as compared to what the feds can do, and have done, to their targets? ""Better than the status quo"" isn't good enough, I'd say. The same technology could be implemented WITHOUT a back door open to the state. We all know about power and corruption. But we all know that abuse is something that only happens to the other guy. > >Amanda Walker >InterCon Systems Corporation > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Hesse | A man, jhesse@netcom.com | a plan, Moss Beach, Calif | a canal, Bob. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) Subject: Re: Why VESA Local-Bus ???? Originator: guyd@pal500.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr15.133138.17369@cc.umontreal.ca>, gregof@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Grego Filippo) writes: > Hi fellow netters, > > I have a question for you... I am gonna buy a 486DX2-66 MHz > with VESA Local-Bus. IS the speed benefit that great ? > Would it be wise to spend on a local-bus system (HD controller > and graphic card) for normal use ( I mean I won't use it for a > server !!) ? > > Also, I read an article from someone ( sorry, I can't remember your > name ) and he said that even though you have a local-bus hard-disk > controller, your performances won't be that much greater because > of the disk's throughtput !!! > So what is the use of having a fast bus if the peripherals can't > cope with it ??? Something to bear in mind is what the V in VLB stands for! V for Video - the origional intention of the bus was to speed up the bus so that large memory to memory transfers would be faster. This is espically useful in transfering data from main memory to video memory. Since there are usually 3 VLB slots card makers have been making cards to fit in the other two. How about an VLB ethernet card? Move the data into the card at 130 odd MB/s and then wait for it to tickle onto the net at just over 1Mb/s. [ Do do however free the local bus for other cards ] Some times you need fast busses and sometimes you don't! > > Thank you ... > > gregof@jsp.umontreal.ca > > Guy -- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc. guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128 guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377 ";-1;0 "From: carlos@carlos.jpr.com (Carlos Dominguez) Subject: Re: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? Reply-To: carlos@carlos.jpr.com Organization: HELLDIVER USENET node, Brooklyn, New York, USA Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Helldiver 1.07 (Waffle 1.64) In <1993Apr15.180633.3437@trintex.uucp> charles@tinman.dev.prodigy.com () writes: >Have you tried re-installing the software? Otherwise I would be dubious about >simple ways to change that screen. Is it not designed to be an embarassment to >would be pirates? so when is PRODIGY going to open the doors for inetgate to accept internet mail eh? obviously if you can post news, mail should go through as well.. -- ___ ___ __ . ___ __ // Carlos Dominguez - SysAdmin / Kibbitzer / /__/ /_ ) / / / /_ // | carlos@carlos.jpr.com (__ ( / / \ (__ (__/ __/ .. | carlos@carlos.UUCP carlos!carlos (bang) ";6;1 "From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: lost in (TekHVC color) space Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 13 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de Hi, xtici worked for my system. I'm using X11R5 pl 17 clientside only on a DEC 5000/240 on Ultrix 4.3 May be you have a serious floatingpoint compilation problem ? -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ ";12;1 "From: cf059@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Orion Bernard Yurgionas) Subject: INDIANA JONES HINT BOOK WANTED Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Looking for hint book for indiana jones and the last crusade the game is for the ibm.e-mail me or call 481 3740 and ask for orion. if you don't have the hint book but know how to answer these questions plao. 1.how do you beat biff. 2.how do you open the valt door. 3.how do you knock out the security system. ";-1;0 "From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (was: Americans and Evolution) Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 110 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: syndicoot.engin.umich.edu In article <1993Apr2.155057.808@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: [why do babies get diseases, etc.] >What God did create was life according to a protein code which is >mutable and can evolve. Without delving into a deep discussion of >creationism vs evolutionism, Here's the (main) problem. The scenario you outline is reasonably consistent, but all the evidence that I am familiar with not only does not support it, but indicates something far different. The Earth, by latest estimates, is about 4.6 billion years old, and has had life for about 3.5 billion of those years. Humans have only been around for (at most) about 200,000 years. But, the fossil evidence inidcates that life has been changing and evolving, and, in fact, disease-ridden, long before there were people. (Yes, there are fossils that show signs of disease... mostly bone disorders, of course, but there are some.) Heck, not just fossil evidence, but what we've been able to glean from genetic study shows that disease has been around for a long, long time. If human sin was what brought about disease (at least, indirectly, though necessarily) then how could it exist before humans? > God created the original genetic code >perfect and without flaw. And without getting sidetracked into >the theological ramifications of the original sin, the main effect >of the so-called original sin for this discussion was to remove >humanity from God's protection since by their choice A&E cut >themselves off from intimate fellowship with God. In addition, their >sin caused them to come under the dominion of Satan, who then assumed >dominion over the earth... [deletions] >Since humanity was no longer under God's protection but under Satan's >dominion, it was no great feat for Satan to genetically engineer >diseases, both bacterial/viral and genetic. Although the forces of >natural selection tend to improve the survivability of species, the >degeneration of the genetic code tends to more than offset this. Uh... I know of many evolutionary biologists, who know more about biology than you claim to, who will strongly disagree with this. There is no evidence that the human genetic code (or any other) 'started off' in perfect condition. It seems to adapt to its envionment, in a collective sense. I'm really curious as to what you mean by 'the degeneration of the genetic code'. >Human DNA, being more ""complex"", tends to accumulate errors adversely >affecting our well-being and ability to fight off disease, while the >simpler DNA of bacteria and viruses tend to become more efficient in >causing infection and disease. It is a bad combination. Umm. Nah, we seem to do a pretty good job of adapting to viruses and bacteria, and they to us. Only a very small percentage of microlife is harmful to humans... and that small percentage seems to be reasonalby constant in size, but the ranks keep changing. For example, bubonic plague used to be a really nasty disease, I'm sure you'll agree. But it still pops up from time to time, even today... and doesn't do as much damage. Part of that is because of better sanitation, but even when people get the disease, the symptoms tend to be less severe than in the past. This seems to be partly because people who were very susceptible died off long ago, and because the really nasty variants 'overgrazed', (forgive the poor terminology, I'm an engineer, not a doctor! :-> ) and died off for lack of nearby hosts. I could be wrong on this, but from what I gather acne is only a few hundred years old, and used to be nastier, though no killer. It seems to be getting less nasty w/age... > Hence >we have newborns that suffer from genetic, viral, and bacterial >diseases/disorders. Now, wait a minute. I have a question. Humans were created perfect, right? And, you admit that we have an inbuilt abiliy to fight off disease. It seems unlikely that Satan, who's making the diseases, would also gift humans with the means to fight them off. Simpler to make the diseases less lethal, if he wants survivors. As far as I can see, our immune systems, imperfect though they may (presently?) be, must have been built into us by God. I want to be clear on this: are you saying that God was planning ahead for the time when Satan would be in charge by building an immune system that was not, at the time of design, necessary? That is, God made our immune systems ahead of time, knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and their descendents would need to fight off diseases? >This may be more of a mystical/supernatural explanation than you >are prepared to accept, but God is not responsible for disease. >Even if Satan had nothing to do with the original inception of >disease, evolution by random chance would have produced them since >humanity forsook God's protection. Here's another puzzle. What, exactly, do you mean by 'perfect' in the phrase, 'created... perfect and without flaw'? To my mind, a 'perfect' system would be incapable of degrading over time. A 'perfect' system that will, without constant intervention, become imperfect is *not* a perfect system. At least, IMHO. Or is it that God did something like writing a masterpiece novel on a bunch of gum wrappers held together with Elmer's glue? That is, the original genetic 'instructions' were perfect, but were 'written' in inferior materials that had to be carefully tended or would fall apart? If so, why could God not have used better materials? Was God *incapable* of creating a system that could maintain itself, of did It just choose not to? [deletions] >In summary, newborns are innocent, but God does not cause their suffering. My main point, as I said, was that there really isn't any evidence for the explanation you give. (At least, that I'm aware of.) But, I couldn't help making a few nitpicks here and there. :-> Sincerely, Ray Ingles || The above opinions are probably || not those of the University of ingles@engin.umich.edu || Michigan. Yet. ";-1;0 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Public-domain circuits in commercial applications Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 16 In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >... Patent law says you can build anything >you want to, for your own personal noncommercial use... I'm not up on the details of US patent law, but I think this is incorrect. There is a ""reasonable use"" exemption for *copyright*. There is none for *patents*. The exemptions from patent licensing are quite narrow; R&D work is exempt but personal use is not. That is, it's okay to experiment with a patented idea, but not to put it to practical use (e.g. to improve your stereo), even if it's only your own private practical use. Of course, it is unlikely that discreet personal use will ever be detected or that you will ever be sued over it. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";-1;0 "From: acooney@netcom.com (Alan Cooney) Subject: Re: Membrane keypad with custom legend. Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Try the folks at Dimolex Corp., La Crescenta, CA 91214. Their number is (818) 957-7001. They make membrane keypads that are very flat, in layouts from 2 to 128 keys. They have standard models, tactile models (with stainless domes under each key to make a 'click' you can feel), as well as backlit models. Some of them can even be cut with scissors to form a funky shape other than a rectangle. Many of the models are available in a 'kit' which includes a bezel, colored and plain key covers, and rub on lettering to make your own layout. One piece prices aren't cheap, though, as they want $10 for one four position pad *kit*, and $45 for a 40 position *kit*. I have no affiliation with Dimolex or any company connected with them. I *have* purchased a couple of keypads from them, and am pleased with what I got. Cheers, Alan ";-1;0 "From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Purdue University Lines: 39 In article prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk (Martin Preston) writes: > Why not use the PD C library for reading/writing TIFF files? It took me a > good 20 minutes to start using them in your own app. I certainly do use it whenever I have to do TIFF, and it usually works very well. That's not my point. I'm >philosophically< opposed to it because of its complexity. This complexity has led to some programs' poor TIFF writers making some very bizarre files, other programs' inability to load TIFF images (though they'll save them, of course), and a general inability to interchange images between different environments despite the fact they all think they understand TIFF. As the saying goes, ""It's not me I'm worried about- it's all the >other< assholes out there!"" I've had big trouble with misuse and abuse of TIFF over the years, and I chalk it all up to the immense (and unnecessary) complexity of the format. In the words of the TIFF 5.0 spec, Appendix G, page G-1 (capitalized emphasis mine): ""The only problem with this sort of success is that TIFF was designed to be powerful and flexible, at the expense of simplicity. It takes a fair amount of effort to handle all the options currently defined in this specification (PROBABLY NO APPLICATION DOES A COMPLETE JOB), and that is currently the only way you can be >sure< that you will be able to import any TIFF image, since there are so many image-generating applications out there now."" If a program (or worse all applications) can't read >every< TIFF image, that means there are some it won't- some that I might have to deal with. Why would I want my images to be trapped in that format? I don't and neither should anyone who agrees with my reasoning- not that anyone does, of course! :-) ab ";1;1 "From: agae@palm.lle.rochester.edu (Andres C. Gaeris) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Reply-To: agae@palm.lle.rochester.edu (Andres C. Gaeris) Organization: UofR Laboratory for Laser Energetics Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: palm.lle.rochester.edu In article <1993Apr20.164655.11048@head-cfa.harvard.edu>, willner@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner) writes: > > The NASM photo archives are open to the public. All (or almost all) > still pictures in the collection are available for viewing, but I > don't know about films. At least it might be worth a try. I'm not > sure if appointments are necessary, but I think not. > Is posible to make copies of these photographs (or any other aerospace photographs at NASM) if you pay a copyright fee? =============================================================================== Andres C. Gaeris || ""Living example of the application of Newton's Junior laser fusioneer || Zeroth Law: agae@lle.rochester.edu || `Every body in rest wants to remain in bed'"" =============================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: christy@cs.concordia.ca (Christy) Subject: X11R5 and Gateway2000 Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec Lines: 15 Hi, I just got myself a Gateway 4DX-33V and trying to configure X11R5 for it. Has anyone done this before ? More specifically, I need a correct Xconfig file entry that is set up for my graphics card and monitor. I have a 15"" Color CrystalScan 1572FS monitor and a VESA LOCAL BUS ATI Ultra Pro with 1MB VRAM video card. Any help will be extremely appreciated. Thanks in advance. Please send replies to christy@alex.qc.ca Christy ";-1;0 "From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Was Re: Top Ten Tricks...) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 53 cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes: >>cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: ># #Can you provide some evidence that the slave states regarded slaves as ># #not humans? They were ""outside our society"" and similar phrases that ># #basically meant that they didn't have to recognized as having the same ># #rights as a free person, but they were never considered ""not human"" to ># #my knowledge. ># Isn't the fact that slaves were ""purchased"" as opposed to ># ""hired"" enough evidence that they were not thought as humans? ># Didn't the Bill of Rights provide basic freedoms to humans ># that were not available to slaves? >Not necessarily. Distinctions were made between ""citizens"" and >""persons"" throughout the U.S. and various state constitutions. >For example, free blacks had some rights of citizens, but not all >the rights of citizens. I'm curious if there was an additional >level of distinction made by the slave states to rationalize their >treatment of slaves, or if they just ignored the theoretical >problems of slave ownership. The Bill of Rights, as far as I can see, does not once refer to ""citizens"", but it makes several references to ""people"". For example, Article IV: ""The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated""; Article V: ""no person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment by a Grand Jury ... nor shall any person ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law""; Article VIII: ""excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"". Now I've never heard that Constitutional rights apply only to citizens; aren't they meant to apply equally to all *persons* living in the U.S.? Whether slaves were considered ""not human"" I don't know, but it seems that a case could be made that they weren't treated as ""people"" as defined in the Bill of Rights. And since the nation is nominally based on the Declaration of Independence which states that ""all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"", it would also seem that slaves would not follow under this definition of humanity. ----- Eric Smith erics@netcom.com erics@infoserv.com CI$: 70262,3610 ";-1;0 "From: eifrig@beanworld.cs.jhu.edu (Jonathan Eifrig) Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents) Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department Lines: 70 In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: > Check your facts first and grow up. >Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography >and immaturity I wonder. Hmmm. ""Check your facts."" Good advice. Let's check Mr. Cain's facts a bit, shall we? >Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote: >: Some limitation. Let me guess: don't use the code in any way PKP or >: RSA doesn't like....such as...providing secure communications for the >: average citizen. > >That was exactly its purpose if you know anything about it. There is >nothing at all preventing the average citizen using it, only selling >it. FACT: It is unlawful to distribute code implementing RSA without a license to do so from PKP, whether or not one is charging for it. Furthermore, any use of RSA, other than for research purposes allowed under US patent law, is similarly unlawful. Therefore, the ""average citizen"" cannot use RSA to encrypt message traffic in the US without a license from PKP. There is no licensed, freely available product in the US that uses RSA encryption other than RSAREF (and hence RIPEM), at least as far as I am aware. If you know of another, please post it here. >: All I have to say is...yeah, right. If you're willing to pay them >: mucho big bucks and/or use the routines *they* tell you to do. >: Doesn't sound very reasonable to me. > >All I have to say is this is full of shit. I have negotiated a license >and the bucks are incredibly reasonable with an upfront charge on a >sliding scale depending on your capitalization. If you are a startup >and can't afford it you can't afford to start up in the first place. >Why do people insist on making unequivocal statements about that which >they know nothing. FACT: The last contact I had with RSA Data Security, Inc was with some guy trying to sell me a license (unsolicited, I might add) for TIPEM. Cost: $15K plus 2-5 percent royalties. I suppose it is a matter of opinion as to whether or not these terms count as ""mucho bucks"" or ""incredibly reasonable."" Either way, however, this definitely falls into the ""routines *they* tell you to (use)"". >: But I don't guess PKP and RSA are interested in big bucks. Maybe >: they have some other agenda? Secure communications only for >: government agents, perhaps? > >Have you considered treatment for paranoia? The government is the >single biggest thorn in RSA's side. FACT: There are no restrictions (yet!) on the use of cryptography under US law, although this is beginning to look like it will change. The only impediments to widespread use of RSA cryptography in the US are PKP's patents. Mr. Cain, please shut up until you get your facts straight. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ""Better than the whole world be destroyed and crumble to dust than a free man deny one of his desires."" -Benito Mussolini, Italian anarchist and poet. Jack Eifrig (eifrig@cs.jhu.edu) The Johns Hopkins University, C.S. Dept. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ";-1;0 "From: atom@netcom.com (Allen Tom) Subject: Re: Dumb options list Organization: Sirius Cybernetics Corporation - Complaints Lines: 22 In article <93Apr16.185044.18431@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: >The idea here is to list pointless options. You know, stuff you >get on a car that has no earthly use? > > >1) Power windows I like my power windows. I think they're worth it. However, cruise control is a pretty dumb option. What's the point? If you're on a long trip, you floor the gas and keep your eyes on the rear-view mirror for cops, right? Power seats are pretty dumb too, unless you're unlucky enough to have to share your car. Otherwise, you'd just adjust it once and just leave it like that. -- +-------=Allen Tom=-------+ ""You're not like the others... You like the same | atom@soda.berkeley.edu | things I do... Wax paper... Boiled football | atom@netcom.com | leather... Dog breath... WE'RE NOT HITCHHIKING +-------------------------+ ANYMORE... WE'RE RIDING!"" -- ren ";-1;0 "From: scst83@csc.liv.ac.uk (Chris Smith) Subject: Re: books/info on audio DSP ?? Distribution: rec,sci Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: goyt.csc.liv.ac.uk In sci.electronics,rec.audio David S. Rowell writes: >I assume these are appropriate newsgroups for this question. I am looking >for a good book, articles, anything on audio DSP. Theory is nice, but >I'm really looking for something very much on the applications side. >I want to look into it as my new hobby, so I need all the direction >I can get. Any comments would be welcome, too. I'm looking to build a DSP for guitar processing. Hence lots of background information would be really useful ! If anyone's got any info, could they email..... Thanks in advance... Chris ;-) +====================================================================+ |Name : Mr Chris Smith | Twang on that 'ole guitar ! | |Addrs: scst83@uk.ac.liv.csc | | |Uni : Liverpool University |Quest: To build more and more hardware | |Dgree: Computer Science | | +====================================================================+ ""What ever the sun may be, it is certainly not a ball of flaming gas!"" -- D.H. Lawrence. * All views expressed are my own, and reflect that of private thought. * ";11;1 "From: pp@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (peter.peng) Subject: 1990 Integra LS for sale Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: nj Keywords: for sale integra Lines: 15 ********* 1990 Integra LS for Sale ********* 5 speed, sunroof, rear spoiler, new tires 59.7K miles $ 7950 or best offer. call 908-949-0878 908-938-4101 email att!hotsoup!peng ********************************************* ";-1;0 "From: fineman@stein2.u.washington.edu (Twixt your toes) Subject: Anyone know use ""rayshade"" out there? Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu Keywords: rayshade, uw. I'm using ""rayshade"" on the u.w. computers here, and i'd like input from other users, and perhaps swap some ideas. I could post uuencoded .gifs here, or .ray code, if anyone's interested. I'm having trouble coming up with colors that are metallic (i.e. brass, steel) from the RGB values. If you're on the u.w. machines, check out ""~fineman/rle.files/*.rle"" on stein.u.washington.edu for some of what i've got. dan ";-1;0 "From: littaum@atlantis.CSOS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau) Subject: Final Public Dragon Magazine Update (Last chance for public bids) Keywords: Dragon Magazine Auction Bid Article-I.D.: leela.1qs7o4$c2r Distribution: usa Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon. Lines: 170 NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.csos.orst.edu This is the final public update to my dragon magazine auction. If there are no new bids then the current bids stand (like that's gonna happen. :) ). After this, any updates will be by E-mail *ONLY*. The entire auction will end as soon as the bids stop coming in. So if you want to get in on this, be sure to bid now. All bids must be made in *AT LEAST* 25 cent increments. Buyer will pay shipping. (Unless you have any particular fancy, it will be US mail 4th class special, with lots of padding). All dragons are bagged. The condition of them vary quite a bit, so I've come up with my own condition system. Some dragons may be missing items like the inserts. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. * Condition ratings - Usually this is just an evaluation of the cover, as most of the material inside is in great shape. Excellent - IE-""As you find them in the store"" Very Good - Still in great condition, but can tell it's been boughten Good - On down the line Very Fair/fair - indicates lots of use (But still ""decent"") Poor - Indicates the material inside may be damaged (usually by scissors). A * by the condition indicates that something from the magazine is missing (usually the insert) I'll post another public update sometime this weekend (which will be the final public posting, after which the auction will be by e-mail until the bidding stops) * Again if you have any questions, ask away. * arrow $2.50 056 - Fair *- Top secret module missing - Bard tunes - real maps TN.DE7 $3.0 073 - Good - Forest of Doom module (detached but included) - inner planes ykchev $1.75 074 - Good *- Combat computer missing - 4 dragons TN.DE7 $1.50 078 - Good/VG - Monsters - aquatic AD&D module (detached but included) - Language lesson geoffrey $1.50 079 - Good/VG - top secret module (detached but included) - magic resistance mayla $2.50 081 - Fair - High level AD&D module (detached but included) - poison - material spell components UCCXKVB $2.00 082 - Very Fair*- Baton races game insert missing - spell research TN.DE7 $1.50 083 - Good/VG - Babba Yagga's Hut module (detached but included) - unarmed combat geoffrey $1.50 084 - Fair *- Cover missing - Twofold talisman module squidly $1.75 085 - Good - Twofold Talisman module - Clerics squidly $1.75 087 - Good - Top secret module - Wildernes geoffrey $1.50 088 - Good *- Elefant Hunt insert missing - Falling damage - MARVEL-Phile geoffrey $1.50 089 - Good *- Creature catalog missing - Shields - sci fi TN.DE7 $1.5 094 - Good - Ranger changes - Creature catalog II (detached but included) geoffrey $1.50 095 - Fair *- Cover missing - Into the Forgotten Realms module, detached but included ykcheu $2.75 098 - Fair - 9th anniversary - Dragons - mutant manual UCCXKVB $1.75 099 - Poor *- Cover Missing - Treasure trove II, some pictures cut out thedm $2.50 100 - Good *- poster missing - city beyond the gate module (detached but included) - ""raised dragon"" texture on cover geoffrey $1.50 101 - Fair *- Cover missing - creature catalog III (detached but included) geoffrey $1.50 102 - Fair *- Cover missing - Valley of earth mother middle level module (detached but included) geoffrey $1.50 103 - Fair *- Cover loosly attached - Unearth arcana update missing - Future of AD&D - Centaur papers geoffrey $1.50 103 - Fair *- Unearth arcana update missing geoffrey $1.50 104 - Fair/VF - Marvel module - thieves - cover detached but included geoffrey $1.50 105 - Fair - AD&D module - invisibility - cover & back cover detached but included UCCXKVB $2.00 106 - Fair - Cover 1/2 on - variations of paladins - more skills 4 rangers ykcheu $2.75 106 - Good/VG - Variations of paladins - more skills for rangers arrow $2.50 107 - Fair *- Cover missing - Dragons of glory supplement/questionaire geoffrey $1.50 108 - Good - Mutant manual II - environmental effects - cover taped reinforced thedm $2.00 108 - Very Good - Mutant manual II - environmental effects ykcheu $2.25 109 - Good - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster geoffrey $1.50 109 - Very Fair - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster missing geoffrey $1.50 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv squidly $1.75 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv geoffrey $1.50 111 - Good - Murder Mystery AD&D module ykcheu $2.50 112 - Very Good - Ultimate Article Index - Mesozoic monsters mayla $2.50 114 - Very Fair - Elven Cavalier - remorhaz - Witch NPC class ykcheu $1.75 115 - Good - Theives - harpies & snakes squidly $1.75 116 - Good/VG - 3-D ship cardboard insert - wild animals - dr who UCCXKVB $2.50 117 - Good/VG - Dice odds - creative campaigns - sage advice - bazaar geoffrey $1.50 118 - Good - Tournaments/Competitions - Nibar's keep game UCCXKVB $2.00 120 - VG/EX - April fool's issue UCCXKVB $2.00 121 - Excellent - Oriental adventures - cardboard castle insert geoffrey $1.50 122 - Excellent - 11th aniversary - African beasts - druids UCCXKVB $2.50 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry thedm $2.25 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry arrow $2.5 124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire UCCXKVB $2.25 124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire geoffrey $1.50 125 - Very Good - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - quasi elementals geoffrey $1.50 125 - VG/EX - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - Quasi-elementals UCCXKVB $2.50 126 - VG/EX - Undead UCCXKVB $2.00 127 - Very Good - Fighters 2FVPMANTEL $3.00 128 - Good - King's Table insert game 2FVPMANTEL $3.00 129 - Excellent - Demi-humans UCCXKVB $2.50 130 - VG/EX - The arcane arts TFPAYN01 $2.50 131 - Excellent - Deepearth arrow $1.5 131 - VG/EX - Deepearth UCCXKVB $2.0 132 - Very Good - ORCWARS! board game missing arrow $1.5 133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index geoffrey $1.50 133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index 2FVPMANTEL $3.00 134 - VG/EX - 12 anniversary - Dragons tbh1 $2 135 - Very Good - Archers - Space sage advice UCCXKVB $2.0 135 - Very Good - Archers - Space Sage advice tbh1 $4.0 136 - Very Good - Cities & Urban adventures tbh1 $3 137 - Excellent - Wilderness arrow $1.5 138 - Very Good - Horror (Haloween) UCCXKVB $3.25 139 - Very Good - Pages from the Mages UCCXKVB $3.5 140 - Excellent - Clerics & Healers tbh1 $3 141 - Good - Humanoids tbh1 $2 142 - Very Good - AD&D 2nd edition preview UCCXKVB $3.25 143 - Very Good - DM's issue UCCXKVB $2.00 145 - Very Good*- Poster missing - castles thedm $2.5 146 - Very Good*- Poster missing - 13 anninversary - Dragons tbh1 $3.00 147 - Excellent - MAGUS! board game - magic tbh1 $3.5 148 - Excellent - Fighting - Deck of Many things insert TN.DE7 $2.0 149 - Excellent - (No particular feature) TN.DE7 $2.00 150 - Excellent - Horror (Halloween issue) TN.DE7 $2.00 151 - Excellent - Oriental Adventures/Eastern TN.DE7 $2.00 152 - Good *- Underdark - Poster missing is inside- slight crumple on cover, only noticable under inspection TN.DE7 $2.0 153 - Very Good - Gods TN.DE7 $1.75 154 - Good/VG - Poster - Dragonlance story - War TN.DE7 $2.00 155 - Excellent - Faeries - DUNGEON module TN.DE7 $1.75 157 - Very Good - Buck Rogers thedm $2.00 158 - Very Good - 14th anniversary - Dragons UCCXKVB $2.00 159 - Excellent - Spelljammer - Poster missing kohlmaas $2.00 160 - Good/VG *- Urban adventures - AD&D trading card insert missing UCCXKVB $2.25 161 - Very Good - DM issue TN.DE7 $1.75 162 - Good - Haloween - Poster missing thedm $2.0 163 - Excellent - Monsterous compendum insert - Magic TN.DE7 $2.0 164 - Very Good - Oriental Adventures TN.DE7 $1.75 165 - VG/EX - Sea/Undersea TN.DE7 $1.75 166 - Excellent*- Sci Fi (other games) - Dino wars insert missing TN.DE7 $1.75 167 - Excellent - Nature/Wilderness UCCXKVB $2.5 169 - Very Good - Slight crease of back cover - Misc items featured thedm $2.5 170 - Good - Slight crease in cover - Dragon kings game insert - Dragons - 15th anniversary issue UCCXKVB $2.00 171 - Excellent*- Missing poster & trading cards (ARGH!) Cfrye $2.75 172 - Excellent - Underdark hachiman $2 173 - Excellent - Dark Sun intravai $2 174 - Excellent - Horror intravai $3.00 175 - Excellent - World building - Campaign help TN.DE7 $2.00 176 - Excellent - Elves - Giant poster inside TN.DE7 $1.5 177 - Very Good - Calender poster - DM help (gunpowder too) intravai $3.0 178 - Excellent - Fighters & the Fighter class TN.DE7 $2.50 179 - Excellent - GENCON form - Magic items featured TN.DE7 $2.50 181 - Excellent - Calendar Poster - Mages/Sorcerors TN.DE7 $2.50 182 - Excellent - 16 anniversary issue - Dragons TN.DE7 $2.50 184 - Excellent - Non Player Character enhancement TN.DE7 $1.75 185 - Excellent - Dark Sun Campaign Monsters - Dark Sun geoffrey $1.50 186 - Excellent - Haloween - Horror TN.DE7 $1.75 187 - Excellent - Wilderness - Outdoors If you notice any errors, please let me know (other than slight name misspellings, if it's close to your name, that's you. :) ) ";-1;0 "From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) Subject: Selective Placebo X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 55 JB> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: JB> JB> Ron Roth recommends: ""Once you have your hypoglycemia CONFIRMED through the JB> proper channels, you might consider the following:..."" JB> [diet omitted] JB> JB> 1) Ron...what do YOU consider to be ""proper channels""...this sounds suspiciously I'm glad it caught your eye. That's the purpose of this forum to educate those, eager to learn, about the facts of life. That phrase is used to bridle the frenzy of all the would-be respondents, who otherwise would feel being left out as the proper authorities to be consulted on that topic. In short, it means absolutely nothing. JB> like a blood chemistry...glucose tolerance and the like...suddenly chemistry JB> exists? You know perfectly well that this person can be saved needless trouble JB> and expense with simple muscle testing and hair analysis to diagnose...no JB> ""CONFIRM"" any aberrant physiology...but then again...maybe that's what you mean"" Muscle testing and hair analysis, eh? So what other fascinating space-age medical techniques do you use? Do you sit under a pyramid over night as well to shrink your brain back to normal after a mind- expanding day at your 'Save the Earth' clinic? JB> 2) Were you able to understand Dick King's post that ""90% of diseases is not thy JB> evaluate the statistic you cited from the New England Journal of Medicine. Coul? Once I figure out what *you* are trying to say, I'll still have to wrestle with the possibility of you conceivably not being able to understand my answer to your question?! JB> 3) Ron...have you ever thought about why you never post in misc.health.alterna- JB> tive...and insist instead upon insinuating your untrained, non-medical, often JB> delusional notions of health and disease into this forum? I suspect from your JB> apparent anger toward MDs and heteropathic medicine that there may be an ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You little psychoanalytical rascal you! Got me all figured out, ja? JB> underlying 'father problem'...of course I can CONFIRM this by surrogate muscle JB> testing one of my patients while they ponder my theory to see if one of their JB> previously weak 'indicator' muscles strengthens...or do you have reservations JB> about my unique methods of diagnosis? [......] JB> JB> John Badanes, DC, CA JB> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu Oh man, when are you going to start teaching all this stuff? I'll bet everyone on this net must be absolutely dying to learn more about going beyond spinal adjustments and head straight for the mind for some Freudian subluxation. --Ron-- --- RoseReader 2.00 P003228: In the next world, you're on your own. RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 ";-1;0 "From: mathew Subject: Re: university violating separation of church/state? Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 29 dmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings) writes: > Recently, RAs have been ordered (and none have resisted or cared about > it apparently) to post a religious flyer entitled _The Soul Scroll: Thoughts > on religion, spirituality, and matters of the soul_ on the inside of bathroom > stall doors. (at my school, the University of New Hampshire) It is some sort > of newsletter assembled by a Hall Director somewhere on campus. It poses a > question about 'spirituality' each issue, and solicits responses to be > included in the next 'issue.' It's all pretty vague. I assume it's put out > by a Christian, but they're very careful not to mention Jesus or the bible. > I've heard someone defend it, saying ""Well it doesn't support any one religion. > "" So what??? This is a STATE university, and as a strong supporter of the > separation of church and state, I was enraged. > > What can I do about this? It sounds to me like it's just SCREAMING OUT for parody. Give a copy to your friendly neighbourhood SubGenius preacher; with luck, he'll run it through the mental mincer and hand you back an outrageously offensive and gut-bustingly funny parody you can paste over the originals. I can see it now: The Stool Scroll Thoughts on Religion, Spirituality, and Matters of the Colon (You can use this text to wipe) mathew ";-1;0 "From: mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 66 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes: >Of course, bee venom isn't a single chemical. Could be your brother is >reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock >in other people. >Similarly, Chinese food isn't just MSG. There are a lot of other >ingredients in it. Why, when someone eats something with lots of >ingredients they don't normally consume, one of which happens to be >MSG, do they immediately conclude that any negative reaction is to >the MSG? ARGHHHHHHHHHh READ THE MEMOS!!!! I said that I PERSONALLY had other people order the EXACT SAME FOOD at TWO DIFFERENT TIMES from the SAME RESTAURANT and the people that ordered the food for me did NOT TELL ME which time the MSG was in the food and which time it was not in the food. ONE TIME I HAD A REACTION ONE TIME I DID NOT THE REACTION CAME THE TIME THE MSG WAS IN THE FOOD THAT WAS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE SAME RESTAURANT - SAME INGREDIENTS!!! >Why, when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they don't >normally consume, one of which happens to be MSG, do they immediately >conclude that any negative reaction is to the MSG? I eat lots of Chinese food - I LOVE Chinese food. I've just learned the following IF I get food at one of the restaurants that DOES NOT USE MSG or IF I prepare the food myself without MSG or IF I order the food from a restaurant that will hold the MSG (and I never get soup unless it's from a restaurant that cooks without the MSG) I DO NOT GET A REACTION!!!! OKAY DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!! I GET A REACTION FROM MSG I DO NOT GET A REACTION WHEN THERE IS NO MSG If you're having trouble understand this, please tell me which of the words you do not understand and I'll look them up in the dictionary for you. -- The great secret of successful marriage is to treat all disasters as incidents and none of the incidents as disasters. -- Harold Nicholson Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois ";-1;0 "From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra) Subject: Some more info. about P9000 board Originator: himb@iniki Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology Lines: 10 One more thing to add, the Orchid board vesa bios is only able to handle the 1 meg dram on board, the Viper however can utilize the 2 meg vram on board to support vesa modes such as 1280x1024x256, 800x600x16 mil. and 1024x768x65536 under Dos. +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Stephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii don't have my own account until grad. school starts (autumn 93) + Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! + ";5;1 "From: maxg@microsoft.com (Max Gilpin) Subject: HONDA CBR600 For Sale Organization: Microsoft Corp. Keywords: CBR Hurricane Distribution: usa Lines: 8 For Sale 1988 Honda CBR600 (Hurricane). I bought the bike at the end of last summer and although I love it, the bills are forcing me to part with it. The bike has a little more than 6000 miles on it and runs very strong. It is in nead of a tune-up and possibly break pads but the rubber is good. I am also tossing in a TankBag and a KIWI Helmet. Asking $3000.00 or best offer. Add hits newspaper 04-20-93 and Micronews 04-23-93. Interested parties can call 206-635-2006 during the day and 889-1510 in the evenings no later than 11:00PM. ";7;1 "From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain) Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 40 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <1993Apr15.204930.9517@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: |> |> In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes: |> |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel |> |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination. |> |> -- |> |> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org |> Mr. water-head, |> i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that |> israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no |> water is being used on the lebanese |> side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there |> israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head. Of course posting some hard evidence or facts is much more difficult. You have not bothered to substantiate this in any way. Basil, do you know of any evidence that would support this? I can just imagine a news report from ancient times, if Hasan had been writing it. Newsflash: Cairo AP (Ancient Press). Israel today denied Egypt acces to the Red Sea. In a typical display of Israelite agressiveness, the leader of the Israelite slave revolt, former prince Moses, parted the Red Sea. The action is estimated to have caused irreparable damage to the environment. Egyptian authorities have said that thousands of fisherman have been denied their livelihood by the parted waters. Pharaoh's brave charioteers were successful in their glorious attempt to cause the waters of the Red Sea to return to their normal state. Unfortunately they suffered heavy casualties while doing so. |> Hasan -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | ";-1;0 "From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch) Subject: Re: Re Using old databooks Nntp-Posting-Host: bopper2.phx.mcd.mot.com Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az. Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr3.110048.4636@hemlock.cray.com> kilian@cray.com (Alan Kilian) writes: >> jeh@cmkrnl.com > >This is almost exactly the reason I keep only the latest databook around. >Too many times last years books turn into three years ago and the data >in them doesn't match the current production parts. >TANSTAAFL, > -Alan Kilian BUT... If you are in the habit of trying to repair old and obsolete machines, the old data books are a goldmine of information you can not get anywhere else. If you are trying to find a modern replacement for an obsolete part, the original specs really come in handy. Design out of the new books but save the old ones (or donate them to a ham). If anybody in Phoenix disagrees, I'll drive over and help them 'get rid' of all their old data books. John (450 data books and growing) ";-1;0 "From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: usa Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr15.222254.6651@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> gwalker@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Grays on Walker) writes: >Why crawl under the car at all? I have a machine I got for my boat that >pulls the oil out under suction through the dip stick tube. It does an >excellent job and by moving the suction tube around, you can get more >old oil out than by using the drain plug. I think I paid $25 at E&B Marine. >The oil goes into a steel 3 gal can - wait until it cools and decant into >your favorite device. I use soft drink bottles. Easy to take them down to >the local oil recycle center. Yeah I suppose you could do that. But then you don't get the broken knuckles, the rust in your eyes, the oil bath, and the burns from the exhaust. I mean come on!... Steve ";-1;0 "From: MANDTBACKA@finabo.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Subject: Re: If There Were No Hell Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Lines: 26 In shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com writes: > Here's a question that some friends and I were debating last night. > Q: If you knew beyond all doubt that hell did not exist and that > unbelievers simply remained dead, would you remain a Christian? (Reasoning pertinent to believing Xians deleted for space) It strikes me, for no apparent reason, that this is reversible. I.e., if I had proof that there existed a hell, in which I would be eternally punished for not believing in life, would that make me a Xian? (pardon my language) _Bloody_hell_no_! ...Of course, being merely a reversal of your thinking, this doesn't add anything _new_ to the debate, but... > Several friends disagreed, arguing the fear of hell was necessary > to motivate people to Christianity. To me that fatally undercuts the > message that God is love. A point very well taken, IMNSHO. -- ""Successful terrorism is called revolution, and is admired by history. Unsuccessful terrorism is just lowly, cowardly terrorism."" - Phil Trodwell on alt.atheism ";-1;0 "From: msprague@superior.mcwbst311b (Mike Sprague) Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings Organization: Xerox Lines: 20 > My solution was to switch the interrupt to IRQ 5, which is > unreserved in contemporary computers (using IRQ 5 for the > drives went out with the XT architechture ... ) Not completly true. For AT class and later machines, IRQ5 is reserved for LPT2. Since it's rare to have a second parallel port in a PC, it's usually a good safe choice if you need an interrupt. On the other hand, we just ran into a problem with that here at work on a Gateway computer (4DX-33V). It has a Modem on COM1, a Mouse on COM2, and the other serial port was set to COM3 (which normally uses the same interrupt as COM1). We had a real fight with a board when trying to use IRQ5, and discoverd the problem was that Gateway had set it up such that COM3 used IRQ5. As soon as we disabled COM3, our problems went away. Grumble ... after several days of trying to figure out why the interrupt didn't work. ~ Mike (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com) ";-1;0 "From: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) Subject: CYCLONE AND TEMPEST????? Article-I.D.: usenet.1pskav$qtu Reply-To: rrn@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert R. Novitskey) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Could someone please post any info on these systems. Thanks. BoB -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Novitskey | ""Pursuing women is similar to banging one's head rrn@po.cwru.edu | against a wall...with less opportunity for reward"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: ""Calvin D. Swartzentruber"" Subject: ATTN: Ken Smith Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <9304051540.AA03922@gumby.Altos.COM> It is model number #7033D, a 14"" interlaced .28dp. BTW, if you have a number to contact the company, that would really be helpful to. Thanks for replying. I was beginning to believe that I was never going to get a reply. I posted this on the netnews bboard because the first message I sent to you was returned, and I didn't know if my second message would get to you. Calvin ";-1;0 "From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Revelations - BABYLON? Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 38 Rex (REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov) writes: >It is also of interest to note that in 1825, on the occasion of a jubilee, Pope >Leo the 12th had a medallion cast with his own image on one side and on >the other side, the Church of Rome symbolized as a ""Woman, holding in >her left hand a cross, and in her right a cup with legend around her, >'Sedet super universum', 'The whole world is her seat."" You read more into the medal than it is worth. The Woman is the Church. Catholics have always called our Church ""Holy Mother Church"" and our ""Mother."" An example would be from St. Cyprian of Carthage, who wrote in 251 AD, ""Can anyone have God for his Father, who does not have the Church for his mother?"" Hence the image of the Church as a woman, holding a Cross and a Cup, which tell of the Crucifxition of Our Lord, and of the power of His Blood (the grail legend, but also, more significantly, it shows that ""This is the Cup of the New Covenant in my blood, which shall be shed for you and for many."" (Luke 22.20), the Cup represents the New Covenant and holds the blood of redemption). The fact that the woman is holding both and is said to have the whole world for her seat, is that the Catholic Church is catholic, that is universal, and is found throughout the world, and the Church shows the Crucifixtion and applies the blood of redemption to all mankind by this spread of hers, thorugh which the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass, can be said and celebrated in all the nations as Malachi predicted in Malachi 1.11, ""From the rising of the sun to its setting, my name is great among the gentiles, and everywhere there is sacrafice, and there is offered to my Name a clean oblation, for my Name is great among the gentiles, says the Lord of hosts."" And so we acknowledge what St. Paul wrote ""For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you show the Lord's death until he comes."" (1 Corinthians 11.26) You are quite right about the identification of ""Babylon the Great, Mother of all Harlots"" with Rome. I think we simply disagree as to what time period of Rome the Apostle John is talking about. Andy Byler ";17;1 "From: rick@silver.SJSU.EDU (Richard Warner) Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.sjsu.edu Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept. Lines: 12 rmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes: >Windows NT is a giant Windows Operating System. Unline Win3.1, it does not >run on top of DOS. It is its own OS, with (Billy Gates assures us) true >multi-tasking/multithreading, meets DOD security specs, will run win3.1 >programs as well as DOS programs, has multi-processor support, and is >primarily a Server program. It's overhead is too high for it to be >economical for most users. Correction: All Billy is promising is that it will run 'most' Windows 3.1 programs and the 'major' DOS programs. Do not expect everything you have to run under NT unless all you have are current MS apps. ";-1;0 "From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) Subject: The state of justice Organization: ACME Products Lines: 23 Summary: GM's quest for justice A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not from the fire. Thoughts? It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led to the previous ruling appear. Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? Shouldn't that be up to a jury? And what about members of the previous jury parading through the talk shows proclaiming their obvious bias against GM? Shouldn't that be enough for a judge to through out the old verdict and call for a new trial? Whatever happened to jurors having to be objective? Brett ________________________________________________________________________________ ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. ";-1;0 "From: DICKG@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (Dick Grant) Subject: Memory in Plus&SE Organization: Temple University Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm.temple.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 I have to increase the memory in a Plus or SE (I'm not sure which since I haven't seen it yet). I did this a few years ago but I no longer have the instructions. I forget which resistor needs to be cut to go from 1 to 4 Mbs. Can anyone direct me to this information? Is there an ftp'able doc some- where with diagrams? Thanks, Dick Grant ";-1;0 "From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) Subject: Re: Electric power line ""balls"" Article-I.D.: larc.babb-060493164354 Distribution: usa Organization: SDSU - LARC Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu In article <1993Apr6.203237.20841@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov (Scott Townsend) wrote: > > I got a question from my dad which I really can't answer and I'd appreciate > some net.wisdom. > > His question is about some 18-24"" diameter balls which are attached to > electric power lines in his area. He's seen up to a half dozen between > two poles. Neither of us have any experience with electric power distribution. > My only guess was that they may be a capacitive device to equalize the > inductance of the grid, but why so many between two poles?. I'll bet there's a runway nearby. Jeff Babb babb@sciences.sdsu.edu babb@ucssun1.sdsu.edu Programmer, SDSU - LARC ";-1;0 "Distribution: world From: Matthew_J._Wilson@mcontent.apana.org.au Organization: MacContent BBS, Doncaster, Victoria, Australia Return-Receipt-To: Matthew_J._Wilson@mcontent.apana.org.au Subject: Colour card for the LC Lines: 8 wouldany one know afair price for an LC Color card in Aussie dollars?? just wondering... *************************************************************************** The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. [BBS Number:(613) 848-1346 MacContent is VictoriaÕs first Iconic BBS!] *************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: amigan@cup.portal.com (Mike - Medwid) Subject: Re: Emphysema question Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: na <1993Apr15.180621.29465@radford.vak12ed.edu> <9072@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Lines: 11 Thanks to all who replied to my initial question. I've been away in New Jersey all week and was surprised to see all the responses when I got back. To the person asking about nicotine patches, there are four on the market: Habitrol - Ciba Pharmaceuticals Nicoderm - Marion Merill Dow (Alza made) Nicotrol - Warner Lambert (Cygnus made) ProStep - Made by Elan and marketed by ?? ";-1;0 "From: pschneid@rzu.unizh.ch () Subject: Problem: Maxtor LXT340S spins down with no reason Keywords: Maxtor 340, Adaptec 1542, SCSI Organization: University of Zurich, Switzerland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 53 Please help if you can with the following strange problem: The Maxtor 340 drive in my 386 clone would from time to time, for no obvious reason spin down completely (one can tell by the sound) and simply refuse to be accessed. DOS reacts with an error (Drive D: cannot be accessed or something the like). Unfortunately, I cannot just reproduce the error. Sometimes it occurs more often, sometimes less. The last time it happened was when I wanted to demonstrate some software to a colleague. I would like to know if anybody has experienced similar problems. I don't like to take the thing to the dealer only to be told that there's nothing wrong with it. I checked the other post in this group about Maxtor, and I don't seem to be the only one who has problems. However, no one describes the same problem, and I also have a different configuration. Thanx in advance for any e-mailed help. Peter LIST OF EQUIPMENT Computer ""Mandax"" Mainboard 386-33, 2MB Adaptec 1542 SCSI Master Maxtor LXT340S SCSI-II Hard Drive NEC CDR-83 CD-ROM Reader (problem remains with CD-ROM removed) ET4000 VGA Card CONFIG.SYS files=30 device=C:\dos\setver.exe device=C:\windows\himem.sys device=C:\system\aspi4dos.sys device=C:\system\aswcdnec.sys /d:neccd DOS=HIGH COUNTRY=041,,C:\dos\country.sys device=C:\dos\display.sys CON=(EGA,,1) AUTOEXE.BAT C:\windows\smartdrive.sys PATH=C:\windows;c:\dos SET TEMP=C:\dos MODE CON CODEPAGE PREPARE=((437) C:\DOS\EGA.CPI) MODE CON CODEPAGE SELECT=437 KEYB SG,,C:\DOS\KEYBOARD.SYS C:\SYSTEM\MSCDEX /D:NECCD /L:d /v -- / Peter Schneider [] Englisches Seminar \ | E-Mail: pschneid@es.unizh.ch [] Universitaet Zurich | | Phone: (41 1) 257 3554 [] Plattenstrasse 47 | \ Fax: (41 1) 262 1204 [] CH-8032 Zurich/Switzerland / ";-1;0 "From: mcadams@trane.rtp.dg.com (Ed McAdams) Subject: Piano, free to charity Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC Lines: 15 I have one of those HEAVY antique upright pianos I would like to contribute to any charity with muscle enough to get it out of my house. If I get no response from a charity I will sell to for $100, you haul. It is in good shape, needs tuning. I'm in south Durham county. Ed McAdams Data General Corporation mcadams@dg-rtp.dg.com 62 T. W. Alexander Drive {backbone}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!mcadams Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 (919) 248-6369 Ed McAdams Data General Corporation mcadams@dg-rtp.dg.com 62 T. W. Alexander Drive {backbone}!mcnc!rti!dg-rtp!mcadams Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 (919) 248-6369 ";-1;0 "From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: NWO Steering Committee Distribution: na Lines: 26 In <1993Apr17.032828.14262@clarinet.com>, brad@clarinet.com sez: > >Do the police normally reveal every tap they do even if no charges are >laid? In many ways, it would be a positive step if they had to. >Judges set time limits on warrants, I assume. Under the relevant federal law, 18 USC sec. 2518(8)(d), the authorizing judge must notify the targets within 90 days after the tap period (with extensions) expires. This is the ""normal"" practice. Of course, no wiretap law would be complete without the Unless Clause, which in subsection 8(d) reads like this: ""On an ex parte showing [i.e., by the gov't without opposition, since that would obviously involve notice to the targets] of good cause to a judge of competent jurisdiction the serving of the inventory required by this subsection [the order itself; dates of interception; etc.] *may be postponed*"" (emphasis added). [Followups directed to a few select groups.] -- MORAL: Always Choose the Right Sort of Parents Before You Start in to be Rough - George Ade Mark Eckenwiler eck@panix.com ...!cmcl2!panix!eck ";-1;0 "From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 38 In article <9304141620.AA01443@dangermouse.mitre.org>, jmeritt@mental.mitre.org writes: |> Leviticus 21:9 |> And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the |> whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire. |> |> Deuteronomy 22:20-21 |> ...and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: then they shall |> bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of the |> city shall stone her with stones that she die... |> |> Deuteronomy 22:22 |> If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall |> both of them die... |> |> Deuteronomy 22:23-24 |> If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her |> in the city, and lie with her; then ye shall bring them both out unto the |> gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die... |> |> Deuteronomy 22:25 |> BUT if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, |> and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately punishable. Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There is repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And not just for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile alike. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) ";-1;0 "From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: The lessons of the NAZIs Re: David Irving - Scholastic fraud Lines: 112 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In responding to the post below I have considered issues far outside the scope of revisionism and principally have considered the political implications of a racist ideology and its inevitable outcome. Thus it is tangentially relevant to soc.history and alt.revisionism but I have directed followups to t.p.m since it is principally consideration of the political lessons to be drawn from the history of the NAZI party that I deal with. In article <1993Apr14.121823.21851@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes: |>As Dawidowicz points out, in ""The Holocaust and the Historians,"" (Harvard |>University Press, 34-38): |> |>""...the nadir in Hitlerology is reached by David Irving's ""Hitler's |>War.""<34> An amateur historian, whose reputation as a German apologist and |>as a writer without regard for accuracy or truth won him a measure of |>notoriety, <35> Irving produced a 926-page work intended to show that Hitler |>was kind to his animals and to his secretaries, that he was ""probably the |>weakest _leader_ Germany has known in this century,"" and that he did not |>murder the Jews or even wish to do so, but that the murder was committed |>behind his back, without his knowledge or consent."" Let us assume for the sake of argument that this was indeed the case? Does this mean that Hilter would have been in any way less guilty of mass murder because he aquiesced rather than participated as an active and ardent supporter? One of the important things to realise about the NAZIs is that the system was far more evil than any single member. Once created the NAZI party itself was a murder machine that would inevitably commit genocide, there was noone within it strong enough to prevent it. Remember that Hitler did not originaly lead the NAZI party nor was he particularly powerful within it until his oratory allowed the party to come to power. Had Hitler reneged upon the emotiaonal expectations which he had created within the ranks of his supporters he would have been replaced as he had himself replaced the old guard who he beleived were unable to grasp the intellectual implications of their rhetoric. This is why all parties that espouse NAZI style race supremacy ideologies must be considered as dangerous and as evil as the NAZIs. The idea that one ""race"" of people is inherently superior to another and that the greatest goal of humanity is to achieve racial perfection has only one logical outcome, the gas chambers of Auschwitz. The NAZI party is not simply the tale of a supremely evil single man who lead an entire country astray, beyond the evil of individuals there was the evil of the system itself which was self generating and self perpetuating. Hitler was an extreemly evil person who built his party arround an ego cult centered on the demonstration of his own power, this does not however mean that he was as entirely free from political constraints as he and his propagandists worked so hard to assert. The myth that racism can produce a strong government that can cure a nations ills must be emphatically rejected. In the same way we must accept a distinction between a govenrment that demonstrates its strength and one that is able to govern decisively in the manner it beleives is best. I would accept only the latter as a ""strong"" government since most displays of strength are made necessary by an essential weakness. It is important to understand that the NAZIs were not stupid nor were they amoral in the sense that they lacked moral scruples. They acted in the same manner as the Spanish Inquisition - murder and torture in the cause of morality. The fault of the NAZIs lies in their axioms, not in their logic nor in their implementation of those axioms. Thus all such parties such as the National Front or David Dukes Klu Klux Klan front who assert the truth of those axioms must be considered for what they are, advocates of a system that would commit genocide. The conclusion that Hitler was not only responsible but imensely evil is inescapable from the historical record. It is important though to not let the conclusion be reached that the NAZIs espoused a set of ideas that were basically correct but had an unfortunate proponent. The evils of the concept of race supremacy are primary. Although this most emphaticaly does not excuse individual culpability this is nevertheless secondary. No matter what the promises made by a racist, supremacist party upon election those promises will be broken as soon as circumstances permit. If this requires the replacement of the leaders that originally made the pledges, that will occur. Hatred is a supreme justifier. It also creates a dynamic of its own when those in government allow it reign. For many in government politics is a method of providing a justification for their own existence through a demonstration of their importance. A rhetoric of hatred inevitably develops the question of action since the continued existence of an object of hatred is inevitably a reminder of the essential impotence of the politician. Thus we have the US raid on Tripoli which has little purpose beyond a demonstration of power. It is important to realise that there is no quantum jump between the politics of the right and those of the extreeme right but a progression from the reinforcement of popular predjudice to action being taken on the basis of that predjudice. In the same way the extreeme left trace their route to despotism through their assertion of the subjugation of the individual to ideology. It is important though that in attempting to understand the dynamics of political systems that this is not used to excuse the participants. The leaders of a nation take on a supreme moral burden but not only do so voluntarily are required to stive to do so. Thus to take on such a task without a fundamental examination of the logical progression of ones set of axioms to its conclusion in itself is a moral crime. Furthermore in taking on such a duty one is obliged to put the interest of the whole before personal concerns, even of personal security. Although it was inevitable that a party such as the NAZIs, based upon hatred and an idolisation of the symbols of power should have saught to commit genocide it was not inevitable that they should succeeded. Each member of the system had an ability to create a change within it that had a possibility of changing the dynamic. Realising that the individual cannot hope to control a system does not mean accepting that the individual cannot affect the system. Phill Hallam-Baker Phill Hallam-Baker ";-1;0 "From: sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) Subject: Re: Using California's Antidiscrimination: The Sort Of Case I Predicted Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK Lines: 26 In article <15312@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >In article <1993Apr08.092954.13507@armory.com>, rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes: ># Face it, Clayton, he was not found guilty, and so what if gays sometimes ># make it consensually with 16 year old boys. There ARE 16 year old gays, you ># know. And as I recall, the case of the state rested on the testimony of one ># ""victim"" who declined to testify, even under threat. I have had teens since ># I was 40, and so have a lot of people. Face it Clayton, you're just a jerk! ># -RSW ># -- ># * Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * ># * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are * ># * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* * > >I am always amazed to see people admit to breaking the law -- and >putting their address in the signature. Please tell us more about >this. Were they 13? 14? Would you like to make a statement for >the district attorney? I had sex with a 13 year old boy, it was great, we did *everything*, well, a hell of a lot. It was fun anyway. Oh, and before you turn purple with rage I was 12 at the time. >-- >Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! >Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. ";-1;0 "From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Lines: 89 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr14.183025.29688@sco.com>, allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes: >> >> papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod): >> >> >Drugs are banned, please tell me when this supply will dry up? >> >> Drugs are easier to manufacture, easier to smuggle, easier to hide. >> No comparison. >> >> Then let's use another example--alcoholic beverages. Bottles of whiskey >> are larger, heavier, and more fragile than bags of drugs. Barrels and >> kegs are larger and heavier still, and are difficult to manipulate. >> Yet, a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of >> booze into this country during the years of Prohibition. There was a >> demand, so an entire industry formed to supply it. > > If alcohol were again banned today, it would be MUCH more > difficult to manage a large-scale smuggling operation. > The cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military > in communications, intelligence gathering and firepower. > > In a similar vein, the amount of marijuana smuggled into > this country has greatly decreased. This is because its > value-per-pound is very low when compared to cocaine or > heroin. It's simply not worth the risk, it's uneconomical. > Now, most reefer is domestic. There is less pressure on > the domestic producer (showy raids notwithstanding) and > thus it is economical. Here's a question: If most marijuana is domestic and producing it here is economical, why would we expect it to be imported? > Of note though ... domestic reefer > is now very strong, so a small volume goes a long way. > You cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof - not a > good dollar/pound deal. Yet it was done. Done quite successfully for a number of years. *Somebody* thought it was worth the risk. > Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. > It would not be economic to smuggle them in. Your assumption is that this ""low"" dollar/pound area is sufficiently low as to make gun-running unprofitable. On what do you base this? And given that smuggling channels are already established, and given the economies of scale, would it really add significantly more expense to start smuggling firearms, especially considering doing so would be less hazardous (in terms of getting caught) than drugs? > All production > would have to be local. Now *that* was a jump. In any case, define ""local."" It's a big country. > There are not all that many people > who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile > firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could > obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and > average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would > pay through the nose for it. Wow, you gotta love the speculation. As I posted before, we import billions upon billions of raw ores across the Mexican border. Not only that but ships come in and out of U.S. harbors every day full stuff. And customs doesn't even have the extra advantage of being able to sniff them out. I'd be willing to wager that a shipload of handguns would be worth more than a shipload of raw ore, *and* you're virtually guaranteed to get it past customs, because they'd have to hand search every hold of every ship which came through. It's not simply a matter of how much money are they worth, but how much *more* money are they worth than other goods, based on the likelihood of being caught. Less money than drugs, but also a safer thing to smuggle. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" ";-1;0 "From: s0612596@let.rug.nl (M.M. Zwart) Subject: catholic church poland Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL Lines: 10 Hello, I'm writing a paper on the role of the catholic church in Poland after 1989. Can anyone tell me more about this, or fill me in on recent books/articles( in english, german or french). Most important for me is the role of the church concerning the abortion-law, religious education at schools, birth-control and the relation church-state(government). Thanx, Masja, ""M.M.Zwart"" ";-1;0 "From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 13 In article pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes: >Ken Arromdee writes >>>Did they not know that these men were federal officers? >>Do you know what a ""no-knock search"" is? >Yes, but tell me how you think your question answers my question. If >the BDs didn't know immediately that they were dealing with feds >(uniform apparel, insignia), they must have figured it out in pretty >short order. Why did they keep fighting? They seemed awfully ready >for having been attacked ""without warning"". Oh, bloody sorry old chap, why didn't you tell me you were a federale? Tough luck, eh? What's that? You say you're not dead yet? ";-1;0 "From: claes@polaris (Heinz-Josef Claes) Subject: german keyboard, X11R5 and Sparc Nntp-Posting-Host: polaris.informatik.uni-essen.de Organization: Uni-Essen X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 8 I have a Sparc[12] with a german type 4 keyboard. Has anybody a Patch for X11R5? Thanks in advance Heinz-Josef Claes email: claes@tigger.turbo.uni-essen.de ";12;1 "From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1993Apr6.041343.24997 Organization: Summit NJ Lines: 39 student writes: >Somewhere, roger colin shouse writes about ""radical gay dogma."" Somewhere else >he claims not to claim to have a claim to knowing those he doesn't know. >There are at least twenty instances of this kind of muddleheaded fourth- >reich-sophistique shit in his postings. Maybe more. In fact I'm not sure >the instances could be counted, because they reproduce like a virus the more >you consider his words. > My question is this: what is the best response to weasels like >shouse and Stan Krieger? Possibilities: > (a) study them dispassionately and figure out how they work, then >(1) remember what you've learned so as to combat them when they or their clones >get into office >(2) contribute your insights to your favorite abnormal psych ward > (b) learn to overcome your repugnance for serial murder This posting is totally uncalled for in rec.scouting. The point has been raised and has been answered. Roger and I have clearly stated our support of the BSA position on the issue; specifically, that homosexual behavior constitutes a violation of the Scout Oath (specifically, the promise to live ""morally straight""). There is really nothing else to discuss. Trying to cloud the issue with comparisons to Blacks or other minorities is also meaningless because it's like comparing apples to oranges (i.e., people can't control their race but they can control their behavior). What else is there to possibly discuss on rec.scouting on this issue? Nobody, including BSA, is denying anybody the right to live and/or worship as they please or don't please, but it doesn't mean that BSA is the big bad wolf for adhering to the recognized, positive, religious and moral standards on which our society has been established and on which it should continue to be based. -- Stan Krieger All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even UNIX System Laboratories if related to my employment, are my own. Summit, NJ smk@usl.com ";-1;0 "From: bmdelane@quads.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney) Subject: Brain Tumor Treatment (thanks) Reply-To: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 12 There were a few people who responded to my request for info on treatment for astrocytomas through email, whom I couldn't thank directly because of mail-bouncing probs (Sean, Debra, and Sharon). So I thought I'd publicly thank everyone. Thanks! (I'm sure glad I accidentally hit ""rn"" instead of ""rm"" when I was trying to delete a file last September. ""Hmmm... 'News?' What's this?""....) -Brian ";-1;0 "From: marka@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 30 In article dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) writes: > seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) asks: > > What is the objection to celebration of Easter? > The objection naturally is in the way in which you phrase it. >Easter (or Eashtar or Ishtar or Ishtarti or other spellings) is the pagan >whore goddess of fertility. > > It is celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. > No, you are thinking perhaps of ""Ressurection Sunday"" I think. Tsk.tsk. Too much argument on non-issues ! I'm Roman Catholic and it seems to me that people celebrate Easter and Christmas for itself rather than how it relates to Jesus. I don't really care about some diety. If people have some other definition of Easter, then that's their business. Don't let it interfere with my Easter. ""Resurrection Sunday"" 8-) Where did that come from ? If people celebrate Easter for the Cadburry bunny, that's their business. > > So from this I infer that there are different rules for > > Christians of Jewish descent? What happened to ""there is > > neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for > > all are one in Christ Jesus""? I've always been curious about this. Is Jesus important to Jews at all ? I thought He was thought of only as a prophet ? If that's true what do they celebrate Easter for ? ";-1;0 "From: hanavin@huey.udel.edu (Chuck Hanavin) Subject: Re: HeathKit/Zenith Nntp-Posting-Host: huey.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Lines: 7 In article $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com writes: > >Does anyone out there have the toll-free (catalog request and order line) for >Heathkit/Zenith? Please post the number if you've got it! Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------- 1-800-253-0570 ";-1;0 "From: luoma@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: (Q) SCSI&IDE (i.e. 2 or more hard drives) Reply-To: luoma@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 20 PLEASE: response directly to me (luoma@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) by email. IF there are a sufficient number of interesting responses, I will post a summary (on April 24 or 25). I have waded through the mass of SCSI-IDE posting, but I missed any answers to a question posted early on -- Has anyone (successfully) put both SCSI and IDE hard drives on the same system? I am particularly interested in having the SCSI as the _boot_ drive. For those who have managed this feat, I would appreciate a bit more information, such as what drives, which SCSI controller, and (if possible) what motherboard & BIOS (plus any other relevant info.). Thanks in advance, Robert Luoma (luoma@binah.cc.brandeis) --> all flames will be stored on my WORN drive <-- ";5;1 "From: kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu Subject: Re: Bible Quiz Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: ccsua.ctstateu.edu Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT In article , kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: > In article <1qgbmt$c4f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cr866@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frank D. Kirschner) writes: > >> --- > > Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible. > > Since when does atheism mean trashing other religions?There must be a God of inbreeding to which you are his only son. Pope John Paul ";-1;0 "From: bsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis) Subject: Re: Date is stuck Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 39 jamesc@netcom.com (James Chuang) writes: >When you leave your radio on at night, it may not be doing anything useful. >But computers can do something useful even when YOU are not in front of it. >Just because MS-DOS and WINDOZE does not know how to schedule tasks does >not mean that all computers hould be shut down every night. >I bet starting up NT every morning means a good coffee break.... >jamesc >-- >========================================= >If someone asks if you are a God, you say... YES! In addition to startup time, I leave things running because my PC doubles as a fax machine. However, this is off the original subject. I didn't get the replies on BIOS, CMOS, and DOS clock/date logic. All I know is that I've been running this way for many months and it is only recently, the last month, that I have noticed the intermittent clock problem. As I stated, it is not always the date that doesn't roll forward, sometimes I notice that the clock is several minutes behind where it ought to be. When unattended, the following are generally running minimized in Win 3.1: Clock, WinFax Pro 3.0, Print Manager, MS-Word 1.1, File Manager, Program Manager A random screen saver is generally running too. -- Barry Sardis | Home: (408) 448-1589 1241 Laurie Avenue | Office: (408) 448-7404 San Jose, CA 95125 | Fax: (408) 448-7404 Email: bsardis@netcom.COM or 70105.1210@compuserve.COM ";-1;0 "From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER) Subject: Re: Know anything about EISA-2? Nntp-Posting-Host: mnementh.cs.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 22 In article <1qt5nk$8o6@agate.berkeley.edu> bing@zinc.cchem.berkeley.edu (Bing Ho) writes: >I read about the development of EISA-2 some time ago but dismissed it >in light of the intense interest in VESA and PCI. However, I recently >was disheartened to hear that ISA cannot address more than 16mb of RAM, >a limit that too many of us will hit all too soon. > >I recall that EISA-2 will support 64-bit transfer among other enhancements. >Is there such a standard being developed? Very possibly, but if it's still going to be backwards compatible with the ISA bus, it's going to be the same tripe that the current EISA implementation really is. From what I've seen, the PCI bus will just be a new 32bit 33MHz intelligent bus (ie, bus controller takes care of interrupts and the like, not jumpers...) Hopefully it'll get somewhere up there with the AMIGA Zorro III bus.... VL Bus is a bit too much of a hack for my liking... Toodlepip! Marc 'em. ";-1;0 "From: ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca (James Owens) Subject: Re: 666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED! Reply-To: ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca (James Owens) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 13 UN Resolution 666 guarantees humanitarian aid will get into Irag during the Gulf War. Is this war over? Is aid getting in, or are they still trying to smoke out Saddam? Is this the Middle East? Are we talking religious war here? Am I ranting? -- James Owens ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca Ottawa, Ontario, Canada ";-1;0 "From: csyphers@uafhp..uark.edu (Chris Syphers) Subject: Re: ?? DOS font size in windows?? Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) writes: > I have an 8514/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode > (normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode > the DOS window font is too small for my 14"" monitor. Is there a > way to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to > excuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to > MS Windows world. > Thanks. > (Please include this message for reference) > ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== > (919)515-8063 (W) The control box of the Window itself (upper left corner of the window, single click, am I being too simplistic?) has a font option. The 8 X 12 is about the biggest one I can use without the characters turning funky. Hpoe this helps. ";-1;0 "From: schrader@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Dave Schrader) Subject: 400 big block Keywords: 400 big block Article-I.D.: news.C5MF3F.LnB Organization: Engineering Animation, Inc. Lines: 9 As the subject says. It has 70k and my brother-in-law wants $250. Please don't reply to me as I am posting this for him. Here's his numbers : 5pm-10pm 712 676 3669 daytime 712 269 1261 -- Dave Schrader schrader@eai.iastate.edu ";-1;0 "From: rttimme@emory.edu (Dr. Richard Timmer) Subject: Approach for Windows? Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 [ Article crossposted from comp.os.ms-windows.apps ] [ Author was Dr. Richard Timmer ] [ Posted on 24 Apr 93 23:11:16 GMT ] Hello WinNetters: I have seen a great deal of discussion herein on the relative merits of MS Access and Borland Paradox/Win. However, are there any users out there with experience with the database package called ""Approach"". It has gotten a number of very good reviews from the various mags. and it seems like it would require less hardware overhead than Paradox. I have ruled out Access because some aspects of it are extremely non-intuitive, e.g. requiring a field to always have a value. I like what I've seen of Paradox, but it seems like the resource requirements are greater than what I have (386/25 MHz, 6 MB ram). So, please provide me with your thoughts are ""Approach"", good and bad. Thanks. Richard Timmer ";-1;0 "From: roking@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (robert king) Subject: Specs for a WD drive... Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Distribution: na Lines: 15 Greetings all... Could some kind sole email me the specs for a Western Digital drive? It is Model # WD93044-A with 782 cyl and 4 hds. But I do not know the sectors per track, or any of the other information I have to feed to my bios to get it up and running. Thanx for any help Bob K. roking@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu nope... no sig. Honest :) ";-1;0 "From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: Recommendation for a front tire. Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 37 In article , nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel M endell) writes: >Ken Orr (orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com) wrote: >: In article nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell) writes: >: >Steve Mansfield (smm@rodan.UU.NET) wrote: >: >: Yes, my front tire is all but dead. It has minimal tread left, so it's >: >: time for a new one. Any recommendations on a good tire in front? I'm >: >: riding on an almost brand new ME55A in back. >: >: >: >: Steve Mansfield | The system we've learned says we're equal under la w >: >: smm@uunet.uu.net | But the streets are reality, the weak and poor will fall >: >: 1983 Suzuki GS550E | Let's tip the power balance and tear down the crown >: >: DoD# 1718 | Educate the masses, we'll burn the White House down. >: >: Queensryche - Speak the Word. >: > >: >The best thing is to match front and back, no? Given that the 99A (""Perfect"" ?) >: >is such a good tire, just go with that one >: > >: The Me99a perfect is a rear. The match for the front is the Me33 laser. >: >: DOD #306 K.O. >: AMA #615088 Orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com > >Yeah, what *he* said....<:) > >Nathaniel >ZX-10 >DoD 0812 >AM >Yes, you definitely need a front tire on a motorcycle.... -- ";-1;0 "From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup) Subject: Re: Choking Ninja Problem Organization: pnet X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 43 starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: : I need help with my '85 ZX900A, I put Supertrapp slip-on's on it and : had the carbs re-jetted to match a set of K&N filters that replaced : the stock airbox. Ahh, and just how were the carbs rejeted to ""match"" the changes you made to the bike? A stage three kit from K/N or Dynojet? : Now I have a huge flat spot in the carburation at : about 5 thousand RPM in most any gear. Isn't rejetting fun? : This is especially frustrating : on the highway, the bike likes to cruise at about 80mph which happens : to be 5,0000 RPM in sixth gear. I've had it ""tuned"" and this doesn't : seem to help. I am thinking about new carbs or the injection system : from a GPz 1100. Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix besides : restoring it to stock? : New CARBS??? Why would that fix it? you still have to get the jetting right to match what seems to be a extremely overly lean condition. You added a more free flowing exhaust, and then higher flowing filters. Chances are it's to lean. BUT! This may not be,that's the big fun with carb tuning. It's _very_ tricky. Your one and only choice (unless you want to spend many hours fiddling with the carbs) is to take it to a guy witha Dyno and have he tune the carbs for your current set up. Otherwise you'll be playing a guessing game for a long time... ============================================================================== Erik Astrup AFM #422 DoD #683 1993 CBR 900RR * 1990 CBR 600 * 1990 Concours * 1989 Ninja 250 ""This one goes to eleven"" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap ============================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: dashley@wyvern.wyvern.com (Doug Ashley) Subject: Re: SE rom Organization: wyvern.com Lines: 31 seanmcd@ac.dal.ca writes: >In article , wgw@netcom.com (William G. Wright) writes: >> >> Anyway, I was hoping someone knowledgeable >> about Mac internals could set me straight: is it simply >> impossible for a mac SE to print grayscale, or could >> someone armed with enough info and a little pro- >> gramming experience cook something up that would >> supplement the ROM's capabilities? >To use the grayscale features, I believe you need a Mac equipped >with colour quickdraw. I was told this somewhere or other, but it's >not mentioned in ""Apple Facts"" (guide for apple sellers), in the >press release or in the technical specs. >Sean I think you will find that the Mac SE can PRINT grayscale images, loaded with the proper software. However, the Mac SE cannot DISPLAY grayscale on its screen or any attached video because that ability is not in the ROM. So, while you might be able to PRINT grayscale, you'd have a hard time SEEING the grayscale image you want to print. Doug -- This Signature Under Construction -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Wyvern Technologies | Tidewater's Premier Online Information System | (804) 627-1818, login guest, password guest to register ";0;1 "From: jdw@unislc.slc.unisys.com (James Warren) Subject: Re: Reasonable (for criminals?) Civie Arms Limits Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC Lines: 27 > In article <1993Apr19.223925.2342@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >A poster claims he 'always asks [anti-gunners] what they think would >be reasonable personal firepower restrictions'. OK then ... > >Caliber : Not greater than 32 >Muzzle : Not greater than 300 ft/lbs with any combo of bullet wt/vel >Action : Single shot rifles and single action revolvers > Revolvers bearing no more than six rounds and incorporating > an 'anti-fanning' mechanism to discourage Roy Rogers wannabes. >Bullets : Any non-explosive variety, HPs just fine. > >Now - these specs leave the 32 H&R magnum as about the most powerful >allowable civie cartridge for handgun or rifle use. It would be >reasonably effective against home intruders, muggers, rabid wolves >and other such nasties, even with the firearm-type limitations. At the >same time, this caliber/power limit would reduce the ultimate lethality >of hits. I suspect that you think that this is less lethal than the typical ""assault weapon"". You are wrong. Compared to what most criminals use, a 9mm with military ammo (FMJs), or a military rifle (use is extremely rare), .223 or 7.62mm with military ammo (FMJs), the .32 H&R magnum with ""civie"" bullets is more lethal. Most of the arms which criminals (and the military) use are among the least lethal arms in existance. What if we just punish the criminal and leave the law abiding citizen alone? It hasn't been tried in recient times, but it might work. ";-1;0 "From: nabil@cae.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub) Subject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 127 Hello src readers, Again the misconception that Copts among other Oriental Orthodox Churches believe in Monophysitism pops up again. We had a discussion about it a while ago. In article db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: > >The proper term for what Mike expresses is Monophysitism. This was a >heresy that was condemned in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD. It >grew up in reaction to Nestorianism, which held that the Son and Jesus >are two different people who happened to be united in the same body >temporarily. Monophysitism is held by the Copts of Egypt and Ethipoia >and by the Jacobites of Syria and the Armenian Orthodox. Then OFM comments : > > >[These issues get mighty subtle. When you see people saying different >things it's often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously >different things, or whether they are using different terminology. I >don't think there's any question that there is a problem with >Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form >without a real human nature or will is heretical. But I'd like to be >a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc. Recent discussions >suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from >orthodoxy as many had thought. With my appreciation to the moderator, I believe that further elaboration is needed. This is an excerpt from an article featured in the first issue of the Copt-Net Newsletter : Under the authority of the Eastern Roman Empire of Constantinople (as opposed to the western empire of Rome), the Patriarchs and Popes of Alexandria played leading roles in Christian theology. They were invited everywhere to speak about the Christian faith. St. Cyril, Pope of Alexandria, was the head of the Ecumenical Council which was held in Ephesus in the year 430 A.D. It was said that the bishops of the Church of Alexandria did nothing but spend all their time in meetings. This leading role, however, did not fare well when politics started to intermingle with Church affairs. It all started when the Emperor Marcianus interfered with matters of faith in the Church. The response of St. Dioscorus, the Pope of Alexandria who was later exiled, to this interference was clear: ""You have nothing to do with the Church."" These political motives became even more apparent in Chalcedon in 451, when the Coptic Church was unfairly accused of following the teachings of Eutyches, who believed in monophysitism. This doctrine maintains that the Lord Jesus Christ has only one nature, the divine, not two natures, the human as well as the divine. The Coptic Church has never believed in monophysitism the way it was portrayed in the Council of Chalcedon! In that Council, monophysitism meant believing in one nature. Copts believe that the Lord is perfect in His divinity, and He is perfect in His humanity, but His divinity and His humanity were united in one nature called ""the nature of the incarnate word"", which was reiterated by St. Cyril of Alexandria. Copts, thus, believe in two natures ""human"" and ""divine"" that are united in one ""without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration"" (from the declaration of faith at the end of the Coptic divine liturgy). These two natures ""did not separate for a moment or the twinkling of an eye"" (also from the declaration of faith at the end of the Coptic divine liturgy). The Coptic Church was misunderstood in the 5th century at the Council of Chalcedon. Perhaps the Council understood the Church correctly, but they wanted to exile the Church, to isolate it and to abolish the Egyptian, independent Pope. Despite all of this, the Coptic Church has remained very strict and steadfast in its faith. Whether it was a conspiracy from the Western Churches to exile the Coptic Church as a punishment for its refusal to be politically influenced, or whether Pope Dioscurus didn't quite go the extra mile to make the point that Copts are not monophysite, the Coptic Church has always felt a mandate to reconcile ""semantic"" differences between all Christian Churches. This is aptly expressed by the current 117th successor of St. Mark, Pope Shenouda III: ""To the Coptic Church, faith is more important than anything, and others must know that semantics and terminology are of little importance to us."" Throughout this century, the Coptic Church has played an important role in the ecumenical movement. The Coptic Church is one of the founders of the World Council of Churches. It has remained a member of that council since 1948 A.D. The Coptic Church is a member of the all African Council of Churches (AACC) and the Middle East Council of Churches (MECC). The Church plays an important role in the Christian movement by conducting dialogues aiming at resolving the theological differences with the Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Presbyterian, and Evangelical Churches. [...] As a final note, the Oriental Orthodox and Eastren Orthodox did sign a common statement of Christology, in which the heresey of Monophysitism was condemned. So the Coptic Orthodox Church does not believe in Monophysitism. Peace, Nabil .-------------------------------------------------------------. / Nabil Ayoub ____/ __ / ____/ / / Engine Research Center / / / / / / Dept. of Mechanical Engineering ___/ __ / / / / University of Wisconsin-Madison / / | / / / Email:ayoub@erctitan.me.wisc.edu _____/ __/ _| _____/ / '-------------------------------------------------------------' [As I mentioned in a brief apology, the comment quoted above from me is confused. I appear to say that Nestorius was monophysite. As Andrew Byler correctly stated it, the Nestorians and monophysites were actually opposite parties. The point I was making, which Nabil explains in some detail, is that some groups that have been considered heretical probably aren't. Chalcedon was a compromise between two groups, the Alexandrians and Antiochenes. It adopted language that was intended to be acceptable to moderates in both camps, while ruling out the extremes. I agree that there were extremes that were heretical. However in the course of the complex politics of the time, it appears that some people got rejected who didn't intend heresy, but simply used language that was not understood or even was mispresented. And some seem not to have jointed in the compromise for reasons other than doctrine. There are groups descended from both of the supposedly heretical camps. This posting discussed the descendants of the Alexandrians. There are also a remaining Nestorians. Like some of the current so-called monophysites, there is reason to believe that the current so-called Nestorians are not heretical either. They sheltered Nestorius from what they saw as unfair treatment, but claim they did not adopt his heresies, and in fact seem to follow more moderate representatives of the Antiochene tradition. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: ""Terence M. Rokop"" Subject: Re: NCAA finals...Winner???? Organization: Freshman, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr4.165655.16932@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> ktgeiss@miavx1.acs.muohi writes: >Lake State/Maine in finals...WHO WON? Please post. Maine 5, LSSU 4. Terry ";-1;0 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1qkq9t$66n@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. I base >this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly >of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition), >almost all would want to complain. Therefore I take it that to assert or >believe that ""Freedom is not very valuable"", when almost everyone can see >that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert ""it is not raining"" on >a rainy day. I take this to be a candidate for an objective value, and it >it is a necessary condition for objective morality that objective values >such as this exist. You have only shown that a vast majority ( if not all ) would agree to this. However, there is nothing against a subjective majority. In any event, I must challenge your assertion. I know many societies- heck, many US citizens- willing to trade freedom for ""security"". --- "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "" John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word. ";9;1 "From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket) Subject: Dear Montana@pinetree.org Re: Hockey Pool Distribution: rec.sport.hockey Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 15 Hi there, I can't seem to get mail to you. Can you tell me your entire adress, or even your dotted decimal address? (ie. 131.202.3.10) Thanks, rocket@calvin.cs.unb.ca -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Maurice Richard - ";-1;0 "From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) Subject: Re: Clipper Crap Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 9 >encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the >privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield >criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other ""Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."" -- William Pitt -- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me. = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu = ";-1;0 "From: rlb534@ibm-03.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil Subject: FASTMicro out of business? Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu I heard FASTMicro went out of business. Is this true? They don't answer their 800 number. It's 800-821-9000. ";5;1 "From: walsteyn@fys.ruu.nl (Fred Walsteijn) Subject: built-in video problems on Mac IIsi !!??!! Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands Lines: 30 Dear Mac-friends, I've seen the following problem om three Mac IIsi machines all with 17 Mb RAM installed (70 or 80 ns SIMMs). If the contents of a window are being calculated and updated a lot of strange horizontal lines are temporarily generated on the screen. The lines translate to the top of the screen and have a slightly lower brightness than their surroundings (they are a few millimeters apart). I admit that they are vague, but they can still be distinguished clearly, especially if the environment (i.e. the rest of the room) is a bit dark. Applications which produce this effect are: - the previewer of DirectTeX 1.2 (i.e. DVIReader 1.2) - Kaleidagraph 2.1.1/FPU The machines use their built-in video and drive the old Apple Hires Monochrome screen (two monitors/cable sets tried). The effect is independent of the settings in the following control panels: Memory (adressing mode, disk cache) and Monitors (nr of greys/colors). Have you ever seen this effect too ? Is there a solution ? Thanks, Fred ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fred Walsteijn | Internet: walsteyn@fys.ruu.nl Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research | FAX: 31-30-543163 Utrecht University, The Netherlands | Phone: 31-30-533169 ";-1;0 "From: car@public.btr.com (Carlos Rimola-Sarti car@btr.com) Subject: Re: Toshiba 3401B CD-ROM: Any problems? Organization: BTR UNIX BBS and Email hub. For info about BTR contact support@btr.com Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: public.btr.com Keywords: sound board CD-ROM toshiba In article <1993Apr16.033258.27998@serval.net.wsu.edu> msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Mark Smith) writes: Once in a while you have to put in a good word for something that works well. I have had no problems with my Toshiba 3401. It works very well with DOS and OS/2. For OS/2, you don't need to load any special drivers. The installation will detect that it is a Toshiba drive and you are done. BTW, it's also very fast! +---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ | Carlos Rimola-Sarti | email: rimola@csisdn.com | | Connective Strategies, Inc. | car@btr.com | | ISDN PRI Connectivity | phone: 415-903-2585 | +---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: fontana@cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Fontana) Subject: Homemade projector automation Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 37 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: tomato.cis.ohio-state.edu Hi all, I'm an assistant manager at a local art theater here in Columbus. I'd like to expand our show automation a bit- namely add the capability to use cue tapes to bring the houselights up. Our current automation consoles date from the early 60's and don't provide this function. We already have the combo failsafe/contact rollers to read the cuetapes, and our dimmer system will raise the houselights when its fade-up control circuit (120 VAC) is momentarily closed, for at least 0.5 second. I've tried wiring the dimmer control to a 12V relay, activated when the cue tape completes the circuit. Low tech and simple, but there's one problem: In order to get the 1/2 second pulse, there needs to be a sh**load of cuetape on the film. (35mm runs at 90 feet per minute, so to get a 1/2 second pulse, there needs to be at least 9 inches of solid cuetape!) Ideally, I would like to use a single cross-cue to accomplish this function. (A single strip of cuetape perpendicular to the length of the film) This would give a pulse of approximately 1/100 of a second. What I need is a circuit to detect the short cue and activate the relay for around 1/2 second. The ability to adjust how long the relay is activated would be nice. I figure this would require an RC circuit of some sort. I'm sure some of you already have the solution figured out in your heads. Any suggestions and schematics would be appreciated! Thanks, Mark Fontana -- ""Of all the arts, the cinema is | Mark A. Fontana the most important."" | Computer and Information Science --V.I. Lenin | THE Ohio State University ";11;1 "From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr20.195636.17742@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >>>Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever >>>really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of >>>a humiliated agency that said (quote!) ""Enough is enough."" >> >>Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people >>come out with their hands up several weeks ago. No answer. >You didn't answer the question. The FBI took people out of >camera range. It is thus possible that they were engaging in >questionable activities. I do not feel like the cameras were out of range. Cameras watched the first confrontation. Cameras watched the banners. Cmaeras watched the final confrontation with tanks. Cameras watched the fire. When weren't cameras able to watch? When would cameras be unable to watch people coming out with their hands up? >As to your question, please tell me what you think would have happened >had the ATF goon squad knocked and asked politely several weeks >ago (as opposed to playing Rambo with a t.v. crew in tow). Well, that is what BATF should have done. Either, Koresh would have gone peaceably as he has done in the past, or perhaps it was already too close to the apocalypse in his own mind. It is hard to predict the actions of a leader who would not release the children when most rational people would. Now will you answer my question up top? > >Drew >-- >betz@gozer.idbsu.edu >*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** >*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** >*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, > semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium -- ";-1;0 "From: jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Josh A. Goldfoot) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: Yale University Lines: 12 Distribution: inet Reply-To: jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 Minerva PL9] Tarl Neustaedter (tarl@coyoacan.sw.stratus.com) wrote: : It means that the EFF's public stance is complicated with issues irrelevant : to the encryption issue per se. There may well be people who care about : the encryption issue who don't care to associate themselves with the : network erotica issue (or may even disagree with the EFF's position). Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it was posted encrypted? These issues are not as seperable as you maintain. ";-1;0 "From: C604223@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Cho Chuen Wong) Subject: Performa Plus monitor Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 3 I would like to know if a Performa Plus monitor is compatible with Apple 14in Color Display, or it is just a VGA moniro. Any help will be appreciate. ";-1;0 "From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 19 In article Chris Steinbroner writes: >Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote: >: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but >: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money >: down a rathole. > >[...] i'm going to >let my current membership lapse when it's >up for renewal. > >-- hesh In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any hints on what will keep the organization in business that long. (And preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.) -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) ";-1;0 "From: duncans@hotlips.Princeton.EDU (Duncan Smith) Subject: Question about LocalTalk/AppleShare on MS-DOS system Summary: How do I make AppleShare PC run properly under Windows or OS/2? Originator: news@nimaster Keywords: Windows, OS/2, AppleShare PC, LocalTalk Nntp-Posting-Host: hotlips.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 13 Is anyone out there running a MS-DOS system with a LocalTalk board? I am on an Appletalk network, hooked up with a DayStar Digital LT200 MC LocalTalk Interface Board, running on a PS/2 Model 70. I'm using the AppleShare PC software for file server and network access. It works fine under DOS or the Window or OS/2 DOS box. But when I try to load it *before* Windows, so that every application I run could get access to it, the machine crashes hard as soon as I start up an application. And of course, things look pretty hopeless for OS/2 (but who knows). So, does anyone have experience with this bizarre and obsolete setup? - Duncan - duncans@phoenix.Princeton.EDU ";-1;0 "From: cannon@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Christopher Cannon) Subject: Re: Help with 24bit mode for ATI Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc Lines: 26 In article wong@ws13.webo.dg.com (E. Wong) writes: >I finally got the vesa driver for my ATI graphics ultra plus (2M). However, Where did you get this driver. Please, please, please !!!! I've been waiting months for this. >when I tried to use this to view under 24bit mode, I get lines on the picture. >With 16bit or below, the picture is fine. Can someone tell me what was wrong? >Is it the card, or is it the software? >-- >Thanks >8) > _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ >_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ > >user's name: Edward Wong >Internet: wong@ws13.webo.dg.com >telephone: (508) 870-9352 -- =================== cannon@lobby.ti.com ";-1;0 "From: clochmul@nrambr.chem.duke.edu (C. H. Lochmuller) Subject: Re: Dillon puts foot in mouth... Lines: 21 # So the Blue PRess suggests that we bankrupt HCI by requesting information # and the concern by list members is that HCI will claim everyone that calls # as a new member. I think they will. I also think they will claim a new # MANDATE to ban all firearms from the solar system wheter we call and ask for # information or not! # # On the other hand, with due respect to the Editor of the Blue PRess, just # becaue Mike makes damned good presses, dies, powder scales, and got tired of # Lee's atacks DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERY DILLON FAN FOLLOWS WHAT MIKE CALLS FOR # LIKE HE WAS KARESH AND WE WERE TRANSDILLIDIANS! # # Our local State Assemblyman has called for a complete ban on all non-bolt # action military rifles and all assault weapons, a 7 day wait for purchase # permits { it currently takes 10 to 14 working days here in NC } and one # permit/year. The flood of calls he got was 7 for and 3 against. Guess who # called supporting his move? Guess what ILA is doing? Right? # # CHL # ";-1;0 "From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Article-I.D.: news.C5JnK3.JKt Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: >In article <1327@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM> jhart@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Jim Hart) writes: >>In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu> bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu >>writes: >>>My TOP 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever >>> >>>10. 1984 Dodge Colt Vista - tachometer only avail. with automatic trans. >>>9. Back-up lights on Corvette - they're on the sides of the car! >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>Sure would be interested to know what year(s) this was! >>I don't seem to recall ANY car with back-up lights on the sides, much >>less any Corvette. I suppose I could be mis-interpreting what you are >>trying to say here..... >Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side >would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of >parking stalls... >Regards, Charles >-- >Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of >separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, >struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing >gourd. --Unknown net.person Wasn't the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver, so he could see where he was backing up??? Although reverse lights on the sides are useful for telling whether cars are backing up out perpendicular to the path of the car, I don't think warnings were their original intents, since they are colored white. -- Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu ******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** *""Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* *And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand""* ";-1;0 "From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 48 Distribution: sfnet NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi In <1993Apr9.154316.19778@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >> If I state that I know that there is a green marble in a closed box, >>which I have _never_ seen, nor have any evidence for its existance; I would >>be guilty of deceit, even if there is, in fact, a green marble inside. >> >> The question of whether or not there is a green marble inside, is >>irrelevent. >You go ahead and play with your marbles. I love it, I love it, I love it!! Wish I could fit all that into a .sig file! (If someone is keeping a list of Bobby quotes, be sure to include this one!) >> >> Stating an unproven opinion as a fact, is deceit. And, knowingly >>being decietful is a falsehood and a lie. >So why do you think its an unproven opinion? If I said something as >fact but you think its opinion because you do not accept it, then who's >right? The Flat-Earthers state that ""the Earth is flat"" is a fact. I don't accept this, I think it's an unproven opinion, and I think the Round-Earthers are right because they have better evidence than the Flat-Earthers do. Although I can't prove that a god doesn't exist, the arguments used to support a god's existence are weak and often self-contradictory, and I'm not going to believe in a god unless someone comes over to me and gives me a reason to believe in a god that I absolutely can't ignore. A while ago, I read an interesting book by a fellow called Von Daenicken, in which he proved some of the wildest things, and on the last page, he wrote something like ""Can you prove it isn't so?"" I certainly can't, but I'm not going to believe him, because he based his ""proof"" on some really questionable stuff, such as old myths (he called it ""circumstancial evidence"" :] ). So far, atheism hasn't made me kill anyone, and I'm regarded as quite an agreeable fellow, really. :) -- Sami Aario | ""Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode a137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."" -------------------' ""Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"" Eros in ""Plan 9 From Outer Space"" DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros. ";9;1 "From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 17 In article jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.165139.6240@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >> From a pragmatic standpoint, there certainly is some justification >>if it is a vice people will commit anyway. Shall we criminalize >>alcohol again? If the re-legalization for alcohol were done from > >Making you look bad is too damn easy. The vast social and historical >differences between alcohol and other drugs make this comparison >worthless. This meaningless statement makes YOU look bad. -- ";-1;0 "From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) Subject: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Originator: kadie@eff.org Nntp-Posting-Host: eff.org Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation Lines: 26 Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of encryption. Currently, when you send an encrypted message, an opponent can usually tell 1) that you are using encryption 2) which encryption method you are using [because that information is usually in the clear]. With clipper, most opponents will only know that you are sending clipper-text, they won't know that your clipper-text is itself encoded. Only those few opponents who get your clipper-keys will know that your message is double encrypted. ... kind of like a safety deposit box containing a lock box. So, don't just think of replacements for clipper, also think of front ends. - Carl -- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me. =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu = ";-1;0 "From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr20.003522.22480@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >In article <1qvfik$6rf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: >>Now that Big Brother has rubbed out one minority religion in Waco, who is >>next? The Mormons or Jews? >The Koreshians rubbed themselves out. Neither Mormons nor Jews have a >propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene, so I'm not particularly >concerned. (Or shall we blame Jim Jones on the government also?) I believe we still remember Masada, where Jews killed themselves rather than being captured by the Romans. While I do not agree with the Davidians, I must admire their willingness to die for what they believed, which Jews have had to do often. -- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 Phone: (317)494-6054 hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet) {purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP) ";-1;0 "From: mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr20.230749.12821 Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon Lines: 36 In article sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: >--- > >I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how >effective are they? Has anyone have any experience in this area? > > With highest regards, > Babak Sehari. Uh oh... Umm, there are a number of copy protection schemes. Some involve modifying the physical media, and some involve encryption schemes, &c. All of the ones that have existed over the course of computing have been successful for a time. I recall, however, near monthly releases of new ways to ""crack"" the copy protection scheme of the latest releases. The fact is, none of them are completely secure, or anywhere near it. Some are more or less difficult to crack, and some have already been cracked. I guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying to crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions, assuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea, legally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy protected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for practical applications, and are merely curious? Please clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I can. Incidentally, the ""Uh oh..."" at the top is indicative of the dread anyone who has watched their friends hacking equipment be carted off feels when they are asked how to hack. The area you are broaching is wrought with dangers, many of which include breaking the law, or at least addressing it (from one side or the other.) Matt ";-1;0 "From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Subject: Islam vs the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization: Society for Trying Really Hard Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr2.223248.19014@Princeton.EDU> qpliu@princeton.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr2.115300.803@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >>But God created Lucifer with a perfect nature and gave him along with >>the other angels free moral will. > >>Now God could have prevented Lucifer's fall by taking away his ability >>to choose between moral alternatives (worship God or worship himself), > >So Lucifer's moral choices are determined by his will. >What determines what his will is? >-- >qpliu@princeton.edu Standard opinion: Opinions are delta-correlated. Bobby- A few posts ago you said that Lucifer had no free will. From the above it seems the JW believes the contrary. Are you talking about the same Lucifer? If so, can you suggest an experiment to determine which of you is wrong? Or do you claim that you are both right? -Norman ";-1;0 "From: philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr15.093231.5148@news.yale.edu> (Steve Tomassi) writes: >Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both > >shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. Are you for real? How many Gold Gloves does Ozzie Smith have? If a guy hung around and hit 30 homers a year for 15 years, wouldn't he be a given for the Hall? Is defense not just as important? And if Robin Yount couldn't hit, why would he have stuck around long enough to get 3,000 hits? Are you saying 3,000 hits is a fluke? 3,000 hits is no big deal? > Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors >so > >liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if >something > >isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When > >certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential > >candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to I agree, Garvey and Morris don't deserve it. >the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? Well, based on your argument, Nolan Ryan doesn't deserve the Hall of Fame. He is just a right hander who stuck around for a long time and could throw hard. Very few 20 game winning seasons, lots of losing seasons, lots of walks. No Cy Young awards. How does Nolan Ryan compare to a guy like Steve Carlton who dominated 5 or 6 Major League seasons, won 7 divisons, 2 World Series, and won half of his teams games in 1972? He doesn't compare. Not even close. Kirby Puckett hasn't done it long enough for me. Give me 5 more seasons like he's been having, then I'll think about it. ";14;1 "From: jperkski@kentcomm.uucp (Jim Perkowski) Subject: Re: jiggers Distribution: world X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith Organization: Privately owned and operated UUCP site. Lines: 26 In article <1ppae1$bt0@bigboote.WPI.EDU> susan@wpi.WPI.EDU (susan) writes: > a friend of mine has a very severe cause of jiggers - > for over a year now - they cause him a lot of pain. > > i recently read (i don't know where) about a possible > cure for jiggers. does anyone have any information on > this? i can't remember the name of the treatment, or > where i read it. > I'll probably get flamed for this, but when I was a kid we would go to my uncles cabin on Middle Bass Island on Lake Erie. We always came home with a nasty case of jiggers (large red bumps where the buggers had burrowed into the skin). My mother would paint the bumps with clear finger nail polish. This was repeated daily for about a week or so. The application of the polish is supposed to suffocate them as it seals of the skin. All I can say is it worked for us. One word of caution though. Putting finger nail polish on a jigger bite stings like hell. (If I do get flamed for this just put jam in my pockets and call me toast.:) -- _______________________________________________________________________________ kentcomm!jperkski@aldhfn.akron.oh.us (and) kentcomm!jperkski@legend.akron.oh.us ";-1;0 "From: (Phil Bowermaster) Subject: C. S. Lewis is OK (was Ancient Books) Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies Lines: 49 In article , mayne@ds3.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne) wrote: > > The last sentence is ironic, since so many readers of > soc.religion.christian seem to not be embarrassed by apologists such as > Josh McDowell and C.S. Lewis. The above also expresses a rather odd sense > of history. What makes you think the masses in Aquinas' day, who were > mostly illiterate, knew any more about rhetoric and logic than most people > today? If writings from the period seem elevated consider that only the > cream of the crop, so to speak, could read and write. If everyone in > the medieval period ""knew the rules"" it was a matter of uncritically > accepting what they were told. > > Bill Mayne > > [This may be unfair to Lewis. The most prominent fallacy attributed > to him is the ""liar, lunatic, and lord"". As quoted by many > Christians, this is a logical fallacy. In its original context, it > was not. --clh] Exactly. C. S. Lewis has taken a couple of pretty severe hits in this group lately. First somebody was accusing him of being self-righteous and unconvincing. Now we are told that we Christians should be embarrassed by him. (As well as by Josh McDowell, about whom I have no comment, having never read his work.) Anyone who thinks that C. S. Lewis was self-righteous ought to read his introduction to The Problem of Pain, which is his theodicy. In it, he explains that he wanted to publish the book anonymously. Why? Although he believed in the argument he was presenting, he did not want to seem to presume to tell others how brave they should be in the face of their own suffering. He did not want people to think that he was presenting himself as some kind of model of fortitude, or that he was anything other than what he considered himself to be -- ""a great coward."" OFM has adequately handled the question of whether we ought to be embarrassed by Lewis' liar/lunatic/lord argument (which, by the way, is part of a *much* bigger discourse.) I would just like to add that, far from being embarrassed by Lewis, I am in a state of continual amazement at the soundness and clarity of the arguments he presents. - Phil - Hey, we're talking about the PHONE COMPANY, here. The Phone Company doesn't have opinions on this kind of stuff. This is all me. ";-1;0 "From: ucer@ee.rochester.edu (Kamil B. Ucer) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Organization: University of Rochester Department of Electrical Engineering In article <1993Apr23.002811.22496@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> 2120788@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU () writes: >I've heard many Turks say this and it surpises me that they don't read about >it.Remember the Treaty of Sevres-as a consequence of being in the Axis powers >in WWI.The Turks UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW were supposed to look after their >minorities ie. Greeks,Armenians,Kurds(I must say Turk-Kurd relations are >improving slightly with time) and not pose a threat to Turkey's neighbours. >The Turks blatantly rejected this treaty(the Germans grudgingly accepted >Versailles which was a million times worse for the health and pride of the >German people).The Greeks who had an army there,were there with BRITISH >and FRENCH backing to enforce Sevres. > In possibly the first example of appeasement the Young Turk government >managed screwed the Treaty of Laussane out of the weak allies,this was after >the Greek forces were were destroyed at Smyrna.When this occurred incidently, >FRENCH warships were in the harbour and many Greeks trying escape swam to the >FRENCH warships and climbed aboard only to get their arms cut off by the FRENCH >as they clawed they're way up the sides of the ships. >Libertae,egalitae,fraternatae. It seems to me that you are the one who is supposed to do some reading. I think that our major difference in opinion is on the legitimacy of Sevres. First, thattreaty was signed by the Ottoman Empire therefore legally it does not bind the Republic of Turkey. The new independence movement (which by the way, is not the same as the Young Turks) naturally rejected it out of hand. to say that we should accept because the Germans did theirs is absurd. We saw what the cosequences of such harsh treaties were in Hitler. Second, the Sevres treaty was even worse than Versailles. It divided the Ottoman Empire in to several influence zones, had the capital occupied, the economy under Allied control, the army di minished to nothing but a police force, in short a country in name only. I'd wonder if you would like to live under such conditions. And for the record, I donot feel sorry for the soldiers killed in IZMIR harbour. Before evacuating the city, the Greek forces burned it down, so it serves them right. As for being fooled by Allied promises, that too is your fault. You did not come to Anatolia just to enforce Sevres but to take part in the plunder as well. K. Burak Ucer - ";15;1 "Subject: Re: islamic authority over women From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr5.024626.19942@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > >Peace, Bobby: Get this the hell out of your .sig until you 1) learn what it stands for and 2) really mean it. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ";-1;0 "From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net >As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for >specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical. The idea that foisting the Cripple Chip standard on US manufacturers would result in saying ""Sayonara"" to yet another high-tech market isn't technical, isn't in the least difficult to understand, and plays on a concern lots of people are worried about already.... ";16;1 "From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Re: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010 Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr20.050956.25141@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton. ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) [a.k.a. Kubilay Kultigin] writes: [KK] david Yes? [KK] give it a rest. will you ??? No. [KK] it is increasingly becoming very annoying... Barbarism is rather annoying for you, now isn't it, especially when it comes from from a country, Azerbaijan, that claims Turkey as its number one ally, protector, and mentor! -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 ";-1;0 "From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Subject: Plus minus stat... Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 65 Roger Maynard shares his views, with the masses, on Bob Gainey and life in general: >In <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA >(Greg Ballentine) writes: >>The Selke candidate forwards main purpose on a shift is to >>prevent goals from being scored- not to score them. When >>Lemieux or Gilmour play their number one purpose is to score- >>defence is secondary- especially considering the line that >>plays against them is probably a defensive one. That is why >>they are not Selke candidates. >>Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that >>assessment. He was a very good player who belongs in the hall >>of fame. Did you ever watch him play? He never made a >>technical error. >I watched him over his entire career. I have NEVER seen a >player, and that includes Russell Courtnall and Davie Keon, >screw up as many breakaways as Bob Gainey. And I will never >forget the time Denis Potvin caught Gainey with his head down. >You have been sold a bill of goods on Bob Gainey. It was Bryan Trottier, not Denis Potvin. It was a vicious 'boarding' from behind...Trottier was given a major. But Roger, what the hell does this have to do with Gainey's skill as a hockey player? If Probert smashes Gilmour's head into the boards next week, will that diminish your assessment of Gilmour's skills? >Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things to >say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the >pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob >Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne >Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, >Dick Duff...and so on... I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter. I think Gainey would be honoured to know that you've included him on this list. I also think you have a relatively naive view about what wins a hockey game...pluggers are an integral part of any team. The Selke is designed to acknowledge their contribution...I think that most people understand that it's not the Nobel Prize...so settle down. >cordially, as always, >rm >-- >Roger Maynard >maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca congenially, as always, jd -- James David david@student.business.uwo.ca j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Western Business School -- London, Ontario ";-1;0 "From: mveraart@fel.tno.nl (Mario Veraart) Subject: Re: Help: Importing .EPS files into Word 2.0 Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory Lines: 32 jburke@abacus.bates.edu (jburke) writes: >I was wondering if anyone knew how to view a .EPS in Ms Word 2.0a.. >Here are the first couple of lines if it helps... >%!PS-Adobe-3.0 >%%Creator: ProWrite >%%Title: TCWN >%%Orientation: Portrait >%%Pages: 12 >%%PageOrder: Ascend >Can any one Help? >________________________________________________________________________ >| James Burke | By reading this you agree not to hold | >| | the writer responsible for any evil | >| jburke@abacus.bates.edu | happening that may befall you at any time. | >------------------------------------------------------------------------ We had a similar problem in converting a .EPS file. The solution was simple. We changed the first line from %!PS-Adobe-3.0 to %!PS-Adobe-2.0 This fouled the converter, the .EPS file only contained very simple move and draw statements. Mario -- Mario Veraart TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory email: rioj7@fel.tno.nl The Hague The Netherlands ""If all else fails, show pretty pictures and animated videos, and don't talk about performance"", David Bailey ";-1;0 "From: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg) Subject: Camera bags for sale Reply-To: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg) Distribution: usa Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD Lines: 43 1. Large padded Cordura bag (maker unknown) nge exterior, black straps and interior. Five outside pocket plus lid compartment. Lid overlaps. Internal dividers can be repositioned. Held my whole 2-1/4 Bronica system, Metz flash, etc. $50. 2. Small ""Nikon"" shoulder bag. SORRY. SOLD & SHIPPE. 3. Small ""Nikon"" belt pouch. Khaki like #2. Similar in design Army ammo pouch - belt clips, etc. Holds flash or small zoom, lens cleaner, etc. $5. 4. Domke belt pouch, black. Also has metal loops of you want to attach strap. Velcro closure. Similar to #3 in concept, but bigger. Holds 35-135 zoom or flash, small accessories, etc. Hardly used; cost me $20 originally - will sell for $15. 5. Coast camera bag - tan with brown strap. Main and front pocket. Can hold AF slr with small zoom plus flash, film, etc. Matl looks like Gore-Tex but I don't think it really is. $15. TERMS: Payment in advance by money order/bank check, or cash. Buyer pays shipping. #1 must go UPS. For the others, send me an adequate self addressed mailing envelope (padded recommended) with enough postage. /|/| /||)|/ /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~ | Everyone's entitled to MY opinion. / | |/ ||\|\ \_|\/|_|/|)[_|\\_| | goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil ========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein======= /|/| /||)|/ /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~ | Everyone's entitled to MY opinion. / | |/ ||\|\ \_|\/|_|/|)[_|\\_| | goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil ========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein======= ";-1;0 "From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young) Subject: FFL&gunsmithing questions Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Lines: 8 I have a few questions I'd like to ask; First,How would someone(me)be able to get a dealers license and second,besides dear old departed gramp's,where would I find a good place to learn gunsmithing. all replies appreciated! John ";-1;0 "From: Simon.N.McRae@dartmouth.edu (Simon N McRae) Subject: re: hepatitis-b X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b10@newshost.dartmouth.edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr14.4274.32512@dosgate> russell.sinclair-day@canrem.com (russell sinclair-day) writes: > What we are really worried about is not knowing the facts. The doctor > has stated that things will not be good if she is a carrier and avoids > further questions on the subject. We really would like to know so we > can take steps and plan in advance for any eventualities. > > Thank-you for your very informative post. Right now I am just trying > to find out everything that I can. > > Russ. Unfortunately, Hep B infection can eventuate in chronic hepatitis and subsequent cirrhosis. Although not many patients with Hep B go on to chronic hepatitis, it does still occur in a good number (20%?) and is something to keep in mind. Hepatitis C (was: non-A, non-B Hep) much more frequently leads to chronic hep and cirrhosis. There is also an autimmune chronic hepatitis that affects mostly younger women which also leads to cirrhosis. Of course, cirrhosis is a most unkind disease. The most dangerous effects relate to portal hypertension and loss of liver function. Patients develop life-threatening variceal bleeds and hepatic comas, among many other problems, as a result of disturbances in hepatic circulation. Less ominously, they can exhibit the effects of hyperestrogenemia which often characterize patients with cirrhosis. These effects include telangiactasias (small red skin lesions) and, in men, gynecomastia (breast development). The only real treatment for cirrhosis is liver transplant. Keep in mind that cirrhosis is not expected, at least statistically, in your friend's case. Nevertheless you might want to bring up the subject of chronic disease and cirrhosis with the doctor. Hopefully he or she can then carefully explain these sequelae of Hep B infection to you, and offer you support. Simon. ";-1;0 "From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) Subject: Re: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games Keywords: sound stereo, Quadra, 900, PowerBook, 170 Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se In <1qsfak$skc@network.ucsd.edu> dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book) writes: >But, the following games only play out of the left channel: ... >But still, STEREO system beeps do play in stereo, through BOTH speakers. Mac sound hardware is diverse; some macs play in stereo and mix the output (the SE/30 for instance) while others play in stereo but ONLY has the left channel for the speaker, while some are ""truly"" mono (like the LC) Developers know that stuff played in the left channel is guaranteed to be heard, while the right channel isn't. Some send data to both, some only send data to the left channel (the first is preferrable, of course) Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- Engineering: ""How will this work?"" Science: ""Why will this work?"" Management: ""When will this work?"" Liberal Arts: ""Do you want fries with that?"" -- Jesse N. Schell ";-1;0 "From: HO@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Francis Ho) Subject: 24-pin Printer Nntp-Posting-Host: kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 9 TOSHIBA P321SL -track/friction feeds -LCD display -3.5 months old -like new -sample print-out sheet (GEOWORKS) available -EMULASER (a 2-month old program by VERTISOFT makes print-out look like an inkjet print-out) -$175 firm. ";-1;0 "From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Association Against Having Fun With Your Clothes On Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr5.020504.19326@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: [...] >One of the reasons that you are atheist is that you limit God by giving >God a form. God does not have a ""face"". Wait a minute. I thought you said that Allah (I presume Allah == God) was unknowable, and yet here you are claiming to know a very concrete fact about him. You say that God does not have a ""face"". Doesn't the bible say that God has hindparts? How do you suggest I decide which (if any) of you is right? Or are you both right? God has hindparts but no face? Or does your use of quotation marks: God does not have a ""face"". allow you to interpret this to mean whatever you like? > >Peace, > >Bobby Mozumder -Norman ";-1;0 "From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) Subject: Re: Alarm systems: are they worthwhile? Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology Distribution: usa Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr19.164451.3744@news.eng.convex.com> dodson@convex.COM (Dave Dodson) writes: >Is it worthwhile to get an alarm system on a new car? Although, others have in the past and will continue to disagree i think that it is worthwhile to get an alarm. >What features are important? I think that it is important to protect your trunk, engine bay, all doors. I'd get flashing lights, LED's mounted on the drivers and passenger door and a relay to disable engine operation. Toss in a glass break sensor, and shock sensor. Door lock and unlock, two remotes and panic feature are also nice to have. Most important is where you have the installation done! Some places may cost a little more, but a poorly installed alarm (no matter how much it cost) will be a major burden. >What features are unimportant? IMO, things like engine starters, voice alarms, window/sunroof open and close, and most other conveniences. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Dave Dodson dodson@convex.com >Convex Computer Corporation Richardson, Texas (214) 497-4234 . / Larry __/ _______/_ keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov / \ _____ __ _____ \------- === ----------- / ____/ / / /__ __/ \ / ___ / / ___ / / / / ____ | | / \/ /__ / | / /__ __/ /__ / \ / /___ \_______/ /_____/ /______/ ====OO \ / \ / - 1990 2.0 16v - ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! -------------------- The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldn't understand anyway! ------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything? Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Justin Kibell (jck@catt.citri.edu.au) wrote: : What has this got to do with comp.windows.x? : I agree that this is a side track, but it is funny that I skip so many other articles (threads) but I couldn't resist reading this one. My beliefs, opinions, and expressions are strictly my own and do not represent or reflect any official or unofficial policies or attitudes of any other person or organization.... but. I have heard that Ford Motor Company has (had) a recruiting bias toward engineers and away from computer science graduates. The reasoning is supposedly to better meet long range personnel requirements. This is evidenced by the large number of CS people who are employed via contracts and are not brought on board except in special circumstances. This is a generalization which obviously doesn't always hold true, but there are statistics. Furthermore, most ""software engineering"" at Ford gets done by electrical engineers. I know of 2 univerities that have merged the computer science department and the electrical engineering so that you can get a computer degree which qualifies you for much more than programming. But since my beliefs and opinions are merely figments of my distorted imagination I suppose I should keep it to myself. ";12;1 "From: jvigneau@cs.ulowell.edu (Joe Vigneau) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" In-Reply-To: bevans@carina.unm.edu's message of 4 Apr 1993 12:19:20 GMT Organization: - <1993Apr3.214557.24073@midway.uchicago.edu> <1pmjo8INN2l0@lynx.unm.edu> Lines: 21 In article <1pmjo8INN2l0@lynx.unm.edu> bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician) writes: Just what do gay people do that straight people don't? Absolutely nothing. I'm a VERY straight(as an arrow), 17-year old male that is involved in the BSA. I don't care what gay people do among each other, as long as they don't make passes at me or anything. At my summer camp where I work, my boss is gay. Not in a 'pansy' way of gay (I know a few), but just 'one of the guys'. He doesn't push anything on me, and we give him the same respect back, due to his position. If anything, the BSA has taught me, I don't know, tolerance or something. Before I met this guy, I thought all gays were 'faries'. So, the BSA HAS taught me to be an antibigot. Basically, It comes down to this: What you do among yourself is your own business. No one else has the right to tell you otherwise, unless it violates someone else's civil rights. ";-1;0 "From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 21 eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: >In article Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) writes: >>In article <1qn2lo$c9s@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman) writes: >>The big disadvantage of automatics is the ~10% HP they consume that never >>gets to the wheels. In this respect they are at a disadvantage to a manual. >only when the torque converter is not locked up. there are autos out there >with converter lock up in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears. W/r/t performance, converter lockup is purely irrelevant. The lockup only occurs at light throttle settings and serves only to improve MPG. Mind you, a converter clutch does a lovely job of improving MPG, but the additional mechanical advantage of the converter gives you more acceleration (vs. locked converter clutch) than its inherent losses take away. Michael T. Chaffee mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu <----Email mchaffee@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu <----NeXTMail .sig under construction. <----Excuse ";-1;0 "From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 7 In article eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: >the price of parts is a different story though... you can say that again. how does $23 for a new thermostat sound? -teddy ";-1;0 "From: Mike_Peredo@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Peredo) Subject: Re: ""Fake"" virtual reality Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 11 The most ridiculous example of VR-exploitation I've seen so far is the ""Virtual Reality Clothing Company"" which recently opened up in Vancouver. As far as I can tell it's just another ""chic"" clothes spot. Although it would be interesting if they were selling ""virtual clothing"".... E-mail me if you want me to dig up their phone # and you can probably get some promotional lit. MP (8^)- ";-1;0 "From: Alexander Samuel McDiarmid Subject: Re: SE Serial Port Speed???? Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Excerpts from cmu.comp.sys.mac: 5-Apr-93 Re: SE Serial Port Speed???? by Samuel John Kass@andrew. > > Sorry, I got a bit technical. To answer your question, your Mac SE will > have no problem whatsoever communicating with any modem that is 57,600 > bps or less, and since modems THAT fast don't exist yet (in a > standardized form), there's no need to worry. > actually a 14.4 kbps modem using standard compression (v3.2 v4.2.bis?) cna reach 57,600 bps, however I have not seen any server modems that have hardware compression. I have been told the annex modems here break up at ~36k, but I have never seen faster than 14.4kbps. _A. ";-1;0 "From: wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam Lines: 20 ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: >I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 >I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion >is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click >on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to >the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly >for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump >again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have >never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? >Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! I think I have the same problem. I think it is caused by the rubber ball in the mouse, which doesn't roll so smooth. The detectors in the mouse notice this and whoops, I hit a mine (using minesweeper :-) ). I think the solution will be buying a new mouse, and/or using a mouse pad. Wouter. ";-1;0 "From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu In-reply-to: flb@flb.optiplan.fi's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 12:01:38 GMT In article flb@flb.optiplan.fi (""F.Baube[tm]"") writes: From: ""Phil G. Fraering"" > Finally: this isn't the Bronze Age, [..] > please try to remember that there are more human activities than > those practiced by the Warrior Caste, the Farming Caste, and the > Priesthood. Right, the Profiting Caste is blessed by God, and may freely blare its presence in the evening twilight .. The Priesthood has never quite forgiven the merchants (aka Profiting Caste [sic]) for their rise to power, has it? ;-) * Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory * * steinly@lick.ucsc.edu ""standard disclaimer"" * * Ya know... you penguin types offend me. ... * * My Gosh... Life is offensive!! * * Offensensitivity. - BB 1984 * ";-1;0 "From: mblawson@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Matthew B Lawson) Subject: Which high-performance VLB video card? Summary: Seek recommendations for VLB video card Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Keywords: orchid, stealth, vlb Lines: 21 My brother is in the market for a high-performance video card that supports VESA local bus with 1-2MB RAM. Does anyone have suggestions/ideas on: - Diamond Stealth Pro Local Bus - Orchid Farenheit 1280 - ATI Graphics Ultra Pro - Any other high-performance VLB card Please post or email. Thank you! - Matt -- | Matthew B. Lawson <------------> (mblawson@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu) | --+-- ""Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King --+-- | of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways | | are just."" - Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, 562 B.C. | ";-1;0 "From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: Lactose intolerance Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ of Alabama Lines: 19 In article , ng4@husc11.harvard.edu (Ho Leung Ng) wrote: > > > When I was a kid in primary school, I used to drink tons of milk without > any problems. However, nowadays, I can hardly drink any at all without > experiencing some discomfort. What could be responsible for the change? > > Ho Leung Ng > ng4@husc.harvard.edu You became older and your intestine normalized to the weaned state. That is, lactose tolerance is an unusual state for adults of most mammals except for h. sapiens of northern European origin. As a h. sapiens of asian descent (assumption based on name) the loss of lactase is normal for you. Steve Holland gila005@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu ";4;1 "From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 19 In article <9304201003.AA05465@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: >Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run >digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets >say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate >be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? As far as I know ISDN (call it Swissnet here, and it's being plugged in) it's 8 bit 8000Hz (gives you one channel of 64kBit/sec) I guess you should not go below a sampling rate of 6000 Hz if you want to have same quality as on an analog-line. Anybody knows compression-algorithms & -factors for voice ? Greetings, Germano Caronni -- Instruments register only through things they're designed to register. Space still contains infinite unknowns. PGP-Key-ID:341027 Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F ";-1;0 "From: luke@aero.org (Robert A. Luke) Subject: Help! Installing old HD on older Compaq XT Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org We are trying to install a donated hard disk (Miniscribe vintage 1988) on a supercheap ancient Compaq XT for use in education. The only problem is that the supercheap Compaq didn't come with the manual and I haven't been able to figure out how to start the SETUP program. I began using PCs after 286s were invented, so I have a couple of basic questions: 1. Did XT-class computers even *have* SETUP programs? 2. If they did (or, do), how do I access it? If anybody has any good advice on how to proceed or what to do next or what to look out for, please let me know. E-mail is best, but I'll also be watching the newsgroup postings. Thanks in advance, -Robert -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Luke Internet: luke@aero.org The Aerospace Corporation CompuServe: 71155,3011 ""Danger, Will Robinson!"" ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: sudden numbness in arm Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 48 In article molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) writes: >I experienced a sudden numbness in my left arm this morning. Just after >I completed my 4th set of deep squats. Today was my weight training >day and I was just beginning my routine. All of a sudden at the end of >the 4th set my arm felt like it had gone to sleep. It was cold, turned pale, >and lost 60% of its strength. The weight I used for squats wasn't that >heavy, I was working hard but not at 100% effort. I waited for a few >minutes, trying to shake the arm back to life and then continued with >chest exercises (flyes) with lighter dumbells than I normally use. But >I dropped the left dumbell during the first set, and experienced continued >arm weakness into the second. So I quit training and decided not to do my >usual hour on the ski machine either. I'll take it easy for the rest of >the day. > >My arm is *still* somewhat numb and significantly weaker than normal -- >my hand still tingles a bit down to the thumb. Color has returned to normal >and it is no longer cold. > >Horrid thoughts of chunks of plaque blocking a major artery course through >my brain. I'm 34, vegetarian, and pretty fit from my daily exercise >regimen. So that can't be it. Could a pinched nerve from the bar >cause these symptoms (I hope)? It likely has nothing to do with ""chunks of plaque"" but it sounds like you may have a neurovascular compromise to your arm and you need medical attention *before* doing any more weight lifting. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";4;1 "From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: SHO clutch question (grinding noise?) Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 9 In article jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (James Yuhn) writes: > That's not the clutch you're hearing, its the gearbox. Early SHOs have > a lot of what is referred to as 'gear rollover' noise. You can generally I have one of the first SHOs built, and _mine_ doesn't make this noise. ";-1;0 "From: chaudhary-amar@yale.edu (Amar Chaudhary) Subject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Lines: 111 NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu > Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue > > >10. Men in uniform are persona non grata in the home of our Commander in > Chief. > >9. Algore's enviro-mentalism will make the Clean Air Act look like an > industrial policy. > >8. Higher taxes are once again the prescription for all that ails America. > >7. Tax dodging is unpatriotic; draft dodging is a symbol of pride. > >6. Beaded curtains hang from the Oval Office windows. > >5. Socialism may be dead in the ex-Soviet Union but we are told to prepare > for the nationalization of our health care resources. (These people > must be inhaling something.) > >4. Not quite free love but eating Flowers is considered healthy. > >3. The feminazis have a President in the White House whether the rest of > us realize it or not. > >2. Slick may be the first draft dodger to send American troops into > combat. > >1. Slick may be unpopular with middle-class Americans, but he's a BIG HIT > on campus with the professorial class. > > > >Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993 > Here's my own top ten response to Mr. Ipser's list 10. It's about time we have a President that might actually stand up to the military. Our men and women in uniform must learn that the world does not revolve around them, and that one of the things they're out there defending is our right to be critical of them, even denounce them. 9. Let me explain something to you. Environmental policy and industrial policy MUST go hand in hand. Our nation, and indeed, our planet cannot afford to continue ignoring this as was done over the last twelve years. Our industrial/environmental position has been downright SHAMEFUL! We must have active government support of the key industries such as, telecommunications, microelectronics, medical, biotech, and environmental tech. Meanwhile weed out old, inneficient, high-polution, industries that are better left to other nations. This will make us richer, help produce new jobs, and help the environment. To give credit where credit is due, I heard a lot of this in a speech by Senator John Kerry (D-MA) tonite. In addition, it's time we get really, really serious about issues like overpopulation, globabl warming, and ozone depletion. The planet on which we live should be our utmost priority! 8. It just so happens that that it takes money to make this country work, to provide the services that people need, and to help solve the problems that need to be solved. Granted, some things can probably be done more efficiently for less money, and should be. But some things are going to cost more money and I'm sick and tired of hearing everyone whining about taxes all the time. You want to live in my country, you pay your fair share! 7. I can't believe what hypocrites people are when they ask people to give up their lives for their country and then complain about taxes. If you're willing to send me off to die for some stupid obsession with fighting an enemy which at best doesn't affect us and at worst really should be our friend, then you have no right to tell me you shouldn't pay taxes! 6. Hey, I think the beaded curtains add a lovely 60's-esque touch! 5. Look, Canada, Europe, and Japan manage to provide health care for their citizens (and, yes, basic health IS a human right which people are entitled to). If these nations aren't capitalist enough for you, then I guess we've found something better than capitalism! There is nothing sacred about the capitalist system, and if something, be it socialism or anything else, works better, then I say let capitalism die. 4. Make love, not War! 3. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to be a male and a feminist at the same time. To discriminate against or to deny equal opportunity to a MAJORITY of the population is just plain wrong, and trying to force them into some sort of tradition role is even worse. Women certainly have as much to offer this world as men, and the day that gender discrimination is finally broken it going to make all the revolutions of the past few centuries seem like reform bills. I look forward to it. 2. See number 10. 1. HEY MAN, ACADAMIA RULES!! -Amar Chaudhary Peace, Land, at Matzoh! ""AC in DC in 2008!"" None of the opinions here necessary reflect the opinions of Yale University or anyone or anything associated with it, except for me, of course :) Please post reponses or send them to chaudhary-amar@cs.yale.edu ";-1;0 "From: skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: Inst. f. Thermodynamik u. Waermetechnik (ITW), U. of Stuttgart, FRG Lines: 19 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de In article rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes: [... stuff deleted] > >Besides, for 0 wait state performance, you'd need a cache anyway. I mean, >who uses a processor that runs at the speed of 80ns SIMMs? Note that this >memory speed corresponds to a clock speed of 12.5 MHz. > [more stuff deleted...] How do you calculate that figure? I'd assume even in personal computers the board designers would use bank switching to (optimistically) quadruple the access speed or am I missing something here? HSK -- Sie singen das alte Entsagungslied, das Eiapopeia vom Himmel, womit man beruhigt, wenn es greint, das Volk, den grossen Luemmel. Ein neues Lied, ein besseres Lied, oh Freunde, will ich Euch dichten, Wir wollen hier auf Erden schon das Himmelreich errichten. ... H. Heine ";-1;0 "From: kthompso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Ken Thompson) Subject: Re: 68HC11 problem Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS Lines: 21 mdanjou@gel.ulaval.ca (Martin D'Anjou) writes: B )>>>>>>>>> Votre host est mal configure... <<<<<<<<<<<< )Bonjour Sylvain, ) J'ai travaille avec le hc11 il y a 3 ans et je ne me souviens pas de toutes les possibilites mais je vais quand meme essayer de t'aider. ) Je ne crois pas que downloader une programme directement dans le eeprom soit une bonne idee (le eeprom a une duree de vie limitee a 10 000 cycles il me semble). Le communication break down vient peut-etre du fait que le eeprom est long a programmer (1ms par 8 bytes mais c'est a verifier) et que les delais de transfer de programme s19 vers la memoire sont excedes. Normalement, les transferts en RAM du code s19 est plus rapide car le RAM est plus rapide que le eeprom en ecriture. ) C'est tout ce que ma memoire me permet de me souvenir! )Bonne chance, Oh yeah easy for him to say!... -- Ken Thompson N0ITL NCR Corp. Peripheral Products Division Disk Array Development 3718 N. Rock Road Wichita KS 67226 (316)636-8783 Ken.Thompson@wichitaks.ncr.com ";-1;0 "From: (Rashid) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179 Organization: NH Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr14.121134.12187@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote: > > >In article khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes: Stuff deleted > >>What we should be demanding, is for Khomeini and his ilk to publicly > >>come clean and to show their proof that Islamic Law punishes > >>apostacy with death or that it tolerates any similar form of > >>coversion of freedom of conscience. All five schools of law (to the best of my knowledge) support the death sentence for apostasy WHEN it is accompanied by open, persistent, and aggravated hostility to Islam. Otherwise I agree, there is no legal support for punishment of disbelief. The Qur'an makes it clear that belief is a matter of conscience. Public or private disavowal of Islam or conversion to another faith is not punishable (there are some jurists who have gone against this trend and insisted that apostasy is punishable (even by death) - but historically they are the exception. Cursing and Insulting the Prophets falls under the category of ""Shatim"". > > I just borrowed a book from the library on Khomeini's fatwa etc. >Lots of stuff deleted< > > And, according to the above analysis, it looks like Khomeini's offering > of a reward for Rushdie's death in fact constitutes a criminal act > according to Islamic law. Please see my post under ""Re: Yet more Rushdie (ISLAMIC LAW)"". ";-1;0 "From: CROSEN1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Charles Rosen) Subject: Lots of runs Nntp-Posting-Host: ua1vm.ua.edu Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa Lines: 4 I have noticed that this year has had a lot of high scoring games (at least the NL has). I believe one reason are the expansion teams. Any thoughts? Charles ";-1;0 "From: farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian) Subject: Re: KH news # 1026 Originator: sehari@vincent2.iastate.edu Organization: NTT Corp. Japan Lines: 23 I wrote: @ From: Kayhan Havai # 1026 @ -------------------------- @ @ o Dr. Namaki, deputy minister of health stated that infant @ mortality (under one year old) in Iran went down from 120 @ per thousand before the revolution to 33 per thousand at @ the end of 1371 (last month). @ @ o Dr Namaki also stated that before the revolution only @ 254f children received vaccinations to protect them @ from various deseases but this figure reached 93at @ the end of 1371. Something funny happens to the percent sign. In paragraph above, the vaccination rate went from 25 percent to 93 percent. - Farzin -- ";-1;0 "From: dmoyer@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dan Moyer) Subject: Re: Motherboard and BIOs Nntp-Posting-Host: ccscola Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr6.152408.28341@news.unomaha.edu> hkok@cse (Kok Hon Yin) writes: >Can someone please tell me where can I get the best deal for Micronics or AMI >486-66 Motherboard with VL-BUS? You can reply to me thru e-mail or to this >group. > I purchased a Super Voyager VLB 33Mhz board from Washburn & Company a month ago. I don't have the mailing address-- Clyde Washburn advertises regularly in PC Week. He can also be reached via CompuServe. The phone number is 1-800-836-8027. I think Washburn has very competitive prices compared to other AMI distributers,plus I liked the fact he's a EE that knows what he's talking about concerning hardware, and he can be easily reached via CompuServe for non critcle questions, and is very informative to his customers over the phone. Regards Dan Moyer Dan.Moyer@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM ";-1;0 "From: oauld@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Orion Auld) Subject: 386-40 for $500! Organization: University of North Texas Lines: 18 FOR SALE: **************************************************************** 386-40 with VGA Color Monitor, dual floppy, VGA card with 1MB on board, joystick, mouse, 2 MB RAM, no hard drive. FOR ONLY $500! Respond quickly! -- ***** Orion Auld ***** *----------------------------------------------* ""We are only fabulous | If you're not part of the solution, | beasts, after all."" | You're part of the precipitate. | -- John Ashberry *----------------------------------------------* ";8;1 "From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) Subject: Re: Clinton's Wiretapping Initiative Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org In article <9304161803.AA23713@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes: > > If you look through this newsgroup, you should be > able to find Clinton's proposed ""Wiretapping"" Initiative ^^^^^^^^^ > for our computer networks and telephone systems. > > This 'initiative"" has been up before Congress for at least > the past 6 months, in the guise of the ""FBI Wiretapping"" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > bill. What kind of brainless clod posted the above garbage? Would they be so kind as to explain how this is ""Clinton's"" initiative, when it has been before Congress for ""at least the past 6 months""? Jeez, the next thing you know, they'll be blaming the weather on the poor guy. They'll be blaming World War II on him. They'll be blaming the Civil War on him. Maybe the Thirty Years War? ";-1;0 "From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Riddle me this... Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: usa Lines: 16 In article <1r1lp1INN752@mojo.eng.umd.edu> chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes: >>If so, why was CS often employed against tunnels in Vietnam? >CS ""tear-gas"" was used in Vietnam because it makes you wretch so hard that >your stomach comes out thru your throat. Well, not quite that bad, but >you can't really do much to defend yourself while you are blowing cookies. I think the is BZ gas, not CS or CN. BZ gas exposure results in projectile vomiting, loss of essentially all muscle control, inability to concentrate or think rationally and fatal reactions in a significant fraction of the population. For that reason its use is limited to military applications. Frank Crary CU Boulder ";-1;0 "From: rhockins@enrico.tmc.edu (Russ) Subject: Re: To be, or Not to be [ a Disaster ] Distribution: na Organization: /etc/organization Lines: 46 In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: > >Not at all. You are apparently just another member of the Religious Left. > Not at all. I am not a member of the Religious Left, Right, or even Center. In fact I don't consider myself very religious at all [ this will probably result in flames now :) ]. In fact Phil, you should leave religion out of it. It just clouds the issue. >Show me all these environmental ""disasters"". Most of them aren't. And the >natural disasters we have had individually far outweigh the man-made ones. How typical. So you think we shouldn't avoid these 'events' [ I shall refrain from the word disaster since it seems to upset you so much. :( ] when we can. In case you didn't realize it, the natural disasters [ oops, sorry events ] you are refering to we have no control over. Man-made ones we do. I guess you missed the show on Ch 20 earlier this week about the disaster [ oops there I go again... I meant to say event ] on the Exxon Valdez. Just a natural every day occurance to spread oil on 300 Miles of beach. I would like to know which natural event [ hey I remembered not to say disaster ] that would be similar to this. >Most of your so-called disasters (Love Canal, Times Beach, TMI) aren't >disasters at all. Hmm, I suppose you could be right. They are as natural as a tree, or a sunrise. NOT ! >So look, if you want to worship trees (or owls or snails or whatever), fine, do >so. But DON'T try to push the scaredness of YOUR religious off onto me. > So look, if you want to worship a oil slick ( or toxic waste dump or live in a house that has a cesspool in the front yard ), fine, you have my permission to do so [ yea right like you need MY permission... ], it just won't be in the neighborhood where I live. But DON'T try to push your shortsighted tunnelvision views off on the rest of us. -- | Russell Hockins | There are people who believe that there is | | Innovative Interfaces, Inc. | no such thing as an environmental disaster.| | | Pretty weird... ain't it? | | My own opinions no one elses | packet : ka6foy @ ki6yk.#nocal.ca.na.usa | ";-1;0 "From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell? Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 51 In article stoney@oyster.smcm.edu (Stanley Toney) writes: > Muslims, i fear have been given a lie from the >fater of lies, Satan. They need Christ as do us all. > >stan toney stoney@oyster.smcm.edu >my opinions are my own, you may borrow them just picked out this one point because it struck me.... why do you believe this? muslims believe in many of the same things that christians and jews believe; they believe jesus, while not the messiah, is a prophet. this seems to me to be much closer to christianity than other religions are. (then again i tend to be somewhat liberal about others' beliefs.) this also relates to the serbian ""ethnic cleansing"" question. i have been waiting for condemnations of this and have seen very few. HOW can we stand by and watch innocent people, even people whose beliefs we condemn, if this is the case (and don't get me wrong, the things fundamenalist muslims have to say about women make my blood boil), be tortured, raped (the stories about that made me physically ill), and killed? jesus loves all, not just those who love him back -- and he would advocate kindness toward them (in the hopes of converting them, if that's the way you want to put it) rather than killing them. i'm sorry i got off the subject here -- maybe i should have used a different title. i did need to get this off my chest, however. peace (shalom), vera shanti _______________________________________________________________________________ Hand over hand noye@midway.uchicago.edu Doesn't seem so much (Vera Noyes) Hand over hand Is the strength of the common touch drop me a line if you're in the mood - Rush, ""Hand Over Fist"" _______________________________________________________________________________ [I am also worried about this issue. I've made a posting under my own name earlier today. I do not much want to discuss Moslem beliefs here. This isn't the right group for it. Their beliefs about Jesus appear to come as much from the Koran as the Bible. This means that while they honor him, what they think he did and stood for differs in many ways from Christian beliefs about him. But Moslem beliefs are an appropriate topic for soc.religion.islam. As I'm sure you know, many Christians believe that you must accept Christ in order to be saved. While Stanley's comment appears to be anti-Moslem, I would assume he would say the same thing about all religions other than Christianity. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: sigma@rahul.net (Kevin Martin) Subject: Re: Stay Away from MAG Innovision!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 10 In <16BB58B33.D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes: >My Mag MX15F works fine.................... Mine was beautiful for a year and a half. Then it went . I bought a ViewSonic 6FS instead. Another great monitor, IMHO. -- Kevin Martin sigma@rahul.net ""I gotta get me another hat."" ";-1;0 "From: galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA Lines: 23 In article <93105.052120RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po writes: >In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca >(Mathew Tasalloti) says: >>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY >>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup. > > Really? I think both the Islanders and Devils would have a better chance >at the Penguins than the Capitals, IMO. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""It won't be easy, but it >Contact for the '93-'94 '91 STANLEY CUP will have greater rewards. >Penn State Lady Lions '92 CHAMPIONS Mountains and Valleys are >rap115@psuvm.psu.edu 11 STRAIGHT WINS! better than nothing at all!"" Really? What makes you think the Islanders have a better shot? They couldn't even beat the Whalers in two games! (Well, since you're a Pens fans the whole question is moot. I think the teams most likely to beat the Pens are the Bruins, Nordiques, and Blackhawks but I don't think they can really do it. :-)) -Tom Galvin galvint@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil ";-1;0 "From: dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) Subject: Q: Colormaps with dialog shells Organization: MIT Media Laboratory Lines: 17 I have an applicationShell which uses a colormap created with XCreateColormap() and uses all of the colors available for my 8-bit display. When I move the cursor over the window I get the ""Technicolor Effect"" - which is fine. Basically, my program works. My problem/question is: When I popup a dialogShell to prompt the user for some input I want the XmNdialogStyle to be set to XmDIALOG_PRIMARY_APPLICATION_MODAL. The result is that if my cursor is over the dialogShell I get my colormap, but if the cursor is over the applicationShell (or any window other than the dialogShell) I get the default colormap. But I'd like it so that if my cursor is over _any_ window of my application, I get my colormap. Any suggestions? Thanks, david, ";12;1 "From: minh@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Minh Anh Pham) Subject: <><><><>SIPPs MEMORY FORSALE<><><><> Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu <><><><> SIPPs FOR SALE <><><><> I have 16 SIPPs for sale. I upgraded a few systems memory, so I don't need these no more. They are: 11- 256x9 SIPPs @70NS 5- 256X9 SIPPs @80NS -------------------- 4 MEG TOTAL ALL FOR $110 OR 4 (1 MEG) FOR $27 NOTE: SIPPs are gernally more expensive then SIMMs These SIPPs are in good working condition........ Buyer pay shipping/handling. If interested reply to: minh@wpi.wpi.edu -- Minh Pham E-mail: minh@wpi.wpi.edu Worcester Polytechnical Institute ";-1;0 "From: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 and ATI LB problem. Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: gray.cc.utexas.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 37 In article , jmgree01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Jude M. Greer) writes: > I was wondering if anyone out there has had the same problem I am having with > my Gateway 2000 486-33DX VL-Bus system with ATI Graphics Ultra Pro LB. > When I have my computer in any resolution other than 800x600, everything is > fine, but whenever I use it in 800x600 (Windows, AutoCAD, GIFs) the screen > gets about 1 1/2 inches shorter. At the very top and very bottom of the screen > there is about a 3/4"" bar of black. The screen isn't cut off, it just squeezes > everything into the smaller space and messes up the aspect ratio. While I can > manually change the V-Size on the back, this is a pain in the ass, and it just > shouldn't happen anyway. I've called Gateway numerous times and they haven't > been able to help me at all. Two different times they sent me a new card, and > both times the new card didn't work at all in my computer. They even tried > to bill me for the first card because they didn't get it back in a couple of > days, when they TOLD me over the phone that they would wait more than 2 weeks > before billing my card. But their customer support is a different story... > So, if anyone has had this same problem, please let me know if you know what > to do. Hell, let me know if you don't have a solution, just so I know I'm > not the only one with this problem. Thanks in advance. > > Jude M. Greer > jmgree01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu > > P.S. I already tried going into the MACH 32 install program and manually set- > ting up the card. Doesn't work. Whenever I try to increase the vertical size > of the 800x600 screen, it just starts to cut off the top and bottom. > Maybe its a monitor problem. You mentioned that you swapped cards, but not monitors. Perhaps that could be it. Dan -- Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu -----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] ";-1;0 "From: bell@hops.larc.nasa.gov (John Bell) Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: hops.larc.nasa.gov In article mdonahue@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Donahue) writes: > >As for Adcoms Mobil, They are going with amps that canb use Balanced Inputs, a >VERY nice toy, but I'm afraid its goig to push their amps beyound resonable >price ranges. especialy because taking advantage of those balanced inputs >requires a $120+ RCA to Balanced adapter... Umm, when I was doing sound reinforcement for a living, I used to get direct boxes (which convert unbalanced 1/4"" jacks to balanced XLRs) for about $25 each, or a little more for higher quality. You'll need two for a stereo signal, of course, and a little adapter thingy from Radio Sh#$&^t to convert from RCA to 1/4"". Total cost should be around $50. You can also buy transformers for quite a bit less and wire them yourself. Total cost there should be under $30. You can get all this stuff from any pro music shop that sells sound reinforcement gear. The benefit? NO noise that you can hear will be generated in the cables going to the component with the balanced inputs, even when you run them in bad places, like next to power lines. ----- John Bell NASA Langley Research Center bell@hops.larc.nasa.gov ";-1;0 "From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (I am an android..) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: happy.cc.utexas.edu In article <1993Apr21.113723.10103@synapse.bms.com> hambidge@bms.com writes: ]In article , irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: ]>In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: ]>>In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: ]>> ]>>> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. ]>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ]>>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day ]>>> in Texas. ]>> ]>>Do YOU eat all your food cold? ]> ]>Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. ]>Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. ] ]Ever hear about cutting off the electricity? That was done. ]How effective is an electric stove then? Didn't the Branch Davidans have an emergency generator? Oh well, I don't think Brent thought of that anyway. -- /----------------------------------------------------------------------\ |Patrick Chester (aka: claypigeon) wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu| |The Earth is our cradle, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever... | |People's organizations rarely stay that way... or even begin as such. | |I only speak for myself. If I *did* speak for UT, would anyone listen?| \----------------------------------------------------------------------/ ";-1;0 "From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 48 Reply-To: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, (Eric Youngblood) says: >In article , eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: >[race car stuff deleted] Back to the F1 stuff for a second, note that the `auto' tranny in F1 _STILL_ shifts at the driver's command, not some preselected schedule. The driver still controls the shifting, not the transmission. >|> now, there is no dispute that in production cars, automatics are >|> inherently more lossy than manuals. that is in theory. my point all >|> along is that whatever mechanical advantages a manual has over an >|> automatic can very easily be lost by a driver who isn't skillful or >One thing that gives an automatic an advantage at launch is the fact that >it has a torque converter vs a clutch. I know this sounds strange but, >a torque converter multiplies the engine output when launching. It functions ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ >as a sort of limited Continuously Variable Transmission. Typically you get >a torque multiplication of 2 to 3 times depending on the stall speed. I have yet to see a torque multiplier installed on a production automobile. Such systems do exist, but none are presently installed in production autos that I am aware of. These are commonly called viscous drive CVTs or fluidic amplifiers. >Contrasted to a clutch which merely slips when feathered (result is no TQ mult) What the convertor _does_ allow is for the engine to be closer to its torque peak during the launch before a clutched car can fully engage it's driveline. Chevy proved it many years ago with the '70 Camaro (ETs and terminal 1/4 mile times were close enough tpo be identical for 4 speed and auto cars). Note that this is also the major reason that an auto car can get away with fewer gears than a manual, the slip in the convertor makes up for the fewer ratios (and before everyone starts yelling about the proposed 5 sspeed autos soon to be out, note that some manufacturers are using 6 speed manulas now). >Once past lauch however, the converter begins coupling and the TQ multiplication >effect is reduced, but by then you should be on the cam. Correct. -- Al Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke 'blad Iaido NASA ""Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"" -Mary Chapin-Carpenter ";10;1 "From: jbreed@doink.b23b.ingr.com (James B. Reed) Subject: Re: space news from Feb 15 AW&ST Nntp-Posting-Host: doink Reply-To: jbreed@ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 10 In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: |> [Pluto's] atmosphere will start to freeze out around 2010, and after about |> 2005 increasing areas of both Pluto and Charon will be in permanent |> shadow that will make imaging and geochemical mapping impossible. Where does the shadow come from? There's nothing close enough to block sunlight from hitting them. I wouldn't expect there to be anything block our view of them either. What am I missing? Jim ";-1;0 "From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: pointer for info (long shot) Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Lines: 49 In article , Regis M Donovan writes: > This is something of a long shot... but what the hell. the net is > full of people with strange knowledge... > > I'm looking for suggestions as to what could be causing health > problems one of my relatives is having. > > One of my cousins has had health problems for much of her life. > Around the age of 10 she had some gynecological problems. Now she's > in her early/mid twenties and she is going blind. > > Her eyes are not producing enough (if any) moisture. She's been going > to Mass Eye and Ear and the doctors there have no clue what the actual > cause is. THey have apparently tried eyedrops and such. She is just > about completely blind in one eye and the other is massively > deteriorated. Sjogren's syndrome has been known to induce dryness in vaginal tissue as well as induce primary biliary cirrhosis. Otherwise the abdominal swelling could be due to a complication of Sjogren's known as pseudolymphoma which *can* produce a splenomegaly (enlarged spleen). She should definitely see a rheumatologist. Since you don't mention skin disorder, anemia, or joint pain you'd probably rule out erythema nodosum or scleroderma. Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL > > Also, and this may or may not be related, she is having some changes > in her abdomen. her stomach has swelled (i'm not sure if this is > stomach the organ or stomach teh area of the body). > > I guess the step they're going to take next is to do a whole battery > of tests to check all the other internal systmes besides just the > eyes... > > but just because the net is a source of large amounts of bizarre > knowledge, i'm going to ask: has anyone ever heard of anything like > this? suggestions of things to ask about (since much of my knowledge > about her state comes second or third hand)? > > Thanks. > --Regis > zonker@silver.lcs.mit.edu > ";-1;0 "From: moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) Subject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarhdd Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 37 Tony Kidson (tony@morgan.demon.co.uk) wrote: : In article lrk@k5qwb.lonestar.org writes: : : >mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: : > : >> In article <1ptolq$p7e@werple.apana.org.au> petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter : >> > : >> >Just a thought of mine here: : >> >Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 1 : >> >How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V. : >> >On-hook = LED on : >> >Off-hook = LED off. : >> >Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know. : >> : >> Aye, there's the rub -- if you draw enough current to light an LED, the : >> equipment at the phone company will think you've gone off hook. : >> In the on-hook state you're not supposed to draw current. : > : >Which means you should just use your Digital VoltMeter. You can use an : >old VOM but the phone company equipment can detect that and might think : >there's something wrong with the cable. : > : : Look Guys, what's the problem here? If you want a light that goes on when : the 'phone is *Off* hook, all you need it to run it in *series* with the : line, as I mentioned in my previous post. If you want a light that goes on : when the 'phone is *on* hook, all you need is a voltage threshold detector. If you're going to do the series Diode thing (which is the easiest), just make sure that the LED can take the current (I can't recall it off-hand, but it's something like 100mA or more?) Greggo. Greg Moffatt moffatt@bnr.ca Bell-Northern Resarch Inc., Ottawa Canada ""My opinions; not BNR's"" ";-1;0 "From: ykhan@gandalf.ca (Yousuf Khan) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (here we go again.....) Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd. Lines: 36 In <1993Apr16.205724.26258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.171250.486@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >>I almost got a hernia laughing at this one. >You'll probably get one when you realize that your $100 vesa super >dooper local bus ultra high tech controller sucks... >>If anything, SCSI (on a PC) will be obsolete-> killed off by Vesa Local >With any luck PC bus archeitecture will be doen any with by sbus. >Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to >a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system >>Bus IDE. It must be real nice to get shafted by $20-$100 bucks for the >>extra cost of a SCSI drive, then pay another $200-$300 for a SCSI controller. Yeah, there is absolutely no use for VLB except for video graphics. And no IDE could possibly take advantage the VLB, because it runs at 8 Mhz and 16 bits. Do people forget that the IDE was specifically designed to interface directly with the AT ISA bus? We've seen IDEs come out for EISA, XT ISA, and now even MCA, but at all times it was a 16 bit standard, running at somewhere near 8-10 Mhz. When you run an IDE off of the VLB, there's no way that you're running it at 33 Mhz, it would burn up. Of course same goes for SCSI, ESDI, whatever, none of them run at CPU speed. The only way to gain advantage with a VLB IDE is to hook it up to a caching controller. I suspect it would be much, much better to get a software disk cache instead, since you get write-caching as well. >because you have an ide and no one makes ide disks that big. I've seen some Fuji IDE drives going as high as 1G. Yousuf Khan ";-1;0 "From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu Subject: THE DIVINE MASTERS Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 208 THE DIVINE MASTERS Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that Jesus Christ was a Divine Master, and a projection of God into the physical world, God Incarnate. But there are some very important related facts that Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are followers of most other world religions. First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16 NOTWITH- STANDING. There is ALWAYS at least one such Divine Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this world AT ALL TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT HISTORY, both before and after the life of Jesus. The followers of some of these Masters founded the world's major religions, usually PERVERTING the teachings of their Master in the process. Christians, for example, added THREATS of ""ETERNAL DAMNATION"" in Hell, and DELETED the teaching of REincarnation. Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular Master physically dies and leaves this world, there is NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for the relatively few people that He INITIATED while He was still PHYSICALLY alive. (THAT IS SIMPLY THE WAY GOD SET THINGS UP IN THE UNIVERSES.) Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus, and pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save them from their sins, are only KIDDING THEMSELVES, and have allowed themselves to be DUPED by a religion that was mostly MANUFACTURED by the Romans. And emotional ""feelings"" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING indicator for religious validity. These things are similarly true for followers of most other major world religions, including Islam. Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune His Initiates into the ""AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"" or ""SOUND CURRENT"", (referred to as ""THE WORD"" in John 1:1-5, and as ""The River of Life"" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally guide each of them thru the upper levels of Heaven while they are still connected to their living physical bodies by a ""silver cord"". True Salvation, which completes a Soul's cycles of REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is achieved only by reaching at least the ""SOUL PLANE"", which is five levels or universes above the physical universe, and this canNOT be done without the help of a PHYSICALLY-Living Divine Master. One such Divine Master alive today is an American, Sri Harold Klemp, the Living ""Eck"" Master or ""Mahanta"" for the ""Eckankar"" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis, (P.O. Box 27300; zip 55427). Another Divine Master is Maharaj Gurinder Singh Ji, now living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the ""Sant Mat"" organization. One of the classic books on this subject is ""THE PATH OF THE MASTERS"" (Radha Soami Books, P.O. Box 242, Gardena, CA 90247), written in 1939 by Dr. Julian Johnson, a theologian and surgeon who spent the last years of his life in India studying under and closely observing the Sant Mat Master of that time, Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji. Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored by Sri Paul Twitchell or Sri Harold Klemp, can be found in most public and university libraries and some book stores, or obtained thru inter-library loan. The book ""ECKANKAR--THE KEY TO SECRET WORLDS"", by Sri Paul Twitchell, is ANOTHER classic. Many Christians are likely to confuse the Masters with the ""Anti-Christ"", which is or was to be a temporary world dictator during the so-called ""last days"". But the Masters don't ever rule, even when asked or expected to do so as Jesus was. People who continue following Christianity, Islam, or other orthodox religions with a physically-DEAD Master, will CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation, between the Psychic Planes and this MISERABLE physical world, until they finally accept Initiation from a PHYSICALLY-LIVING Divine Master. RE-INCARNATION The book ""HERE AND HEREAFTER"", by Ruth Montgomery, describes several kinds of evidence supporting REincarnation as a FACT OF LIFE, including HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past lives [about 50% accurate; the subconscious mind sometimes makes things up, especially with a bad hypnotist], SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some of whom can identify their most recent previous relatives, homes, possessions, etc.), DREAM RECALL of past life experi- ences, DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel- ing there for the first time on vacation), the psychic read- ings of the late EDGAR CAYCE, and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE including Matthew 17:11-13 (John the Baptist was the REINCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 (How can a person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED BEFORE?!). [ ALWAYS use the ""KING JAMES VERSION"". Later versions are PER-VERSIONS! ] Strong INTERESTS, innate TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS, etc., typically originate from a person's PAST LIVES. For example, a strong fear of swimming in or traveling over water usually results from having DROWNED at the end of a PREVIOUS LIFE. And sometimes a person will take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to another person being met for the first time in THIS life, because of a bad encounter with him during a PREVIOUS INCARNATION. The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW OF KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, etc.). People would behave much better toward each other if they knew that their actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION! ""2nd COMINGS"" If a Divine Master physically dies (""translates"") before a particular Initiate of His does, then when that Initiate physically dies (""translates""), the Master will meet him on the Astral level and take him directly to the Soul Plane. This is the ONE AND ONLY correct meaning of a 2nd Coming. It is an INDIVIDUAL experience, NOT something that happens for everyone all at once. People who are still waiting for Jesus' ""2nd Coming"" are WAITING IN VAIN. PLANES OF EXISTENCE The physical universe is the LOWEST of at least a DOZEN major levels of existence. Above the Physical Plane is the Astral Plane, the Causal Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric Plane (often counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane), the Soul Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes. The Soul Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from the Physical). The planes between (but NOT including) the Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic Planes. It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological influences, radionic effects, biological transmutations [See the 1972 book with that title.], and other phenomena without an apparent physical origin, result from INTERACTIONS between the Psychic Planes and the Physical Plane. The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED. For example, a sub-plane of the Astral Plane is called ""Hades"", and the Christian Hell occupies a SMALL part of it, created there LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some kind of black magic or by simply teaching its existence in a THREATENING manner. The Christian ""Heaven"" is located elsewhere on the Astral Plane. Good Christians will go there for a short while and then REincarnate back to Earth. SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH The Christian religion demands of its followers an extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little more than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING). If a person is not HEARING some form of the ""SOUND CURRENT"" (""THE WORD"", ""THE BANI"", ""THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM""), then his cycles of REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL CONTINUE. The ""SOUND CURRENT"" manifests differently for different Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds. In Eckankar, Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as a Member. This and other experiences (such as ""SOUL TRAVEL"") REPLACE blind faith. For more information, answers to your questions, etc., please consult my CITED SOURCES (3 books, 2 addresses). UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. Robert E. McElwaine 2nd Initiate in Eckankar, (but not an agent thereof) ";-1;0 "From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What??? Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 22 Distribution: na Reply-To: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From article <1qkkl5INNbvo@hp-col.col.hp.com>, by theckel@col.hp.com (Tim Heckel): > For those that are interested I got my fully optioned (Air, ABS, > sunroof) '92 SE-R in September 1991 for $13,555 in Sacramento, CA. It > was one of the 1st '92s sold, few of the dealers had any, no local > dealer had an ABS equipped SE-R. I went straight to the fleet manager > at the dealership I liked, told him what I wanted, made him aware that I > knew what his price should be. He called me back with exactly what I > wanted from a dealer 125mi away, I took delivery the next day. --When I was selling Nissans last summer, I sold a '92 SE-R in early August when its supply was getting quite scarce. The car was black with ABS, Value Option Pkg, and power moonroof. I sold it for $12,900 plus tax. Naturally, my manager didn't really care to sell one of the most desirable SE-R's for virtually no profit (to the best of my knowledge)..... --Aamir Qazi -- Aamir Qazi qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint. ";-1;0 "From: Nanci Ann Miller Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (long) Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 56 <1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: > > Sorry, but there are no supernatural > > forces necessary to create a pathogen. You are saying, ""Since > > diseases are bad, the bad entity must have created it."" So > > what would you say about acid rain, meteors falling from the > > sky, volcanoes, earthquakes, and other QUOTE UNQUOTE ""Acts > > of God?"" > > I would say that they are not ""acts of God"" but natural > occurrences. It amazes me that you have the audacity to say that human creation was not the result of the natural process of evolution (but rather an ""act of God"") and then in the same post say that these other processes (volcanos et al.) are natural occurrences. Who gave YOU the right to choose what things are natural processes and what are direct acts of God? How do you know that God doesn't cause each and every natural disaster with a specific purpose in mind? It would certainly go along with the sadistic nature I've seen in the bible. > >>Even if Satan had nothing to do with the original inception of > >>disease, evolution by random chance would have produced them since > >>humanity forsook God's protection. If we choose to live apart from > >>God's law (humanity collectively), then it should come as no surprise > >>that there are adverse consequences to our (collective) action. One > >>of these is that we are left to deal with disease and disorders which > >>inevitably result in an entropic universe. > > > > May I ask, where is this 'collective' bullcrap coming from? > > By ""collective"" I was referring to the idea that God works with > humanity on two levels, individually and collectively. If mankind > as a whole decides to undertake a certain action (the majority of > mankind), then God will allow the consequences of that action to > affect mankind as a whole. Adam & Eve (TWO PEOPLE), even tho they had the honor (or so you christians claim) of being the first two, definitely do NOT represent a majority in the billions and trillions (probably more) of people that have come after them. Perhaps they were the majority then, but *I* (and YOU) weren't around to vote, and perhaps we might have voted differently about what to do with that tree. But your god never asked us. He just assumes that if you have two bad people then they ALL must be bad. Hmm. Sounds like the same kind of false generalization that I see many of the theists posting here resorting to. So THAT's where they get it... shoulda known. > Jim B. Nanci ......................................................................... If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu): Lying to ourselves is more deeply ingrained than lying to others. ";-1;0 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Star Trek (TOS) novels: 3/$8 package Summary: Price of the Phoenix; Fate of the Phoenix; Memory Prime Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: usa Lines: 16 Some reading from a recent interview trip ... waiting all day at O'Hare a month ago, waiting out the storm here in New York! The Price of the Phoenix; The Fate of the Phoenix; Memory Prime Take the package for $8, or in trade for a good used CD ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";-1;0 "From: msc_wdqn@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Daniel Q Naiman) Subject: Geometry package Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu I am looking for a package which takes as inputs a set of geometric objects defined by unions of convex polytopes specified in some manner, say by inequalities and equalities, and determines in some reasonable form things like intersections, unions, etc. etc.. Does anyone know where I can find such a thing? Dan Naiman Department of Mathematical Sciences Johns Hopkins University ";-1;0 "From: pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan) Subject: Airline ticket R/T between US/Canada and Europe/Carrib/LatinAm Keywords: airline ticket Lines: 69 Nntp-Posting-Host: delaware Reply-To: pat@wrs.com Organization: Wind River Systems I have one round-trip ticket good for travel between USA or Canada and Europe, Hawaii, Latin America, or the Caribbean. It is fully transferable and can be used originating here or there. I had intended to use it to visit my grandfather who was sick, but he died before I got there so I have no use for it now. I'm looking for $500 or best offer, but act fast it will be gone on April 15 no matter what. -Patrick (pat@wrs.com) ";-1;0 "From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr14.175931.66210@cc.usu.edu> slp9k@cc.usu.edu writes: >> (BTW - Which parts should be secure? Criminal >> records, ie convictions, are typically considered public information, >> so should that info be secure? Remember, the population includes >> parents checking prospective childcare worker.) > > Like I said, I'm not sure of the details. But it seems to me that you >could access medical information without giving out a name, or any other >information. Medical info without a name/body attached is completely useless for treatment. >The article I mentioned the the earlier post described a debit >card type transaction in which neither the store nor the BANK, knew who was >withdrawing the money. Thus making it as secure as cash, for some purposes, but far less secure for others. > Parent's checking a babysitter shouldn't need access to the information >stored in the card. Sure they do. The prospective sitter may have a nasty habit of molesting kids three or four months into the job. The references may not have known him long enough or may not have picked up on this yet. Remember, criminal conviction info is public, so if you're going to argue for an ID card, other people are going to have a strong argument that it disclose public info. >things. I think anything that you choose to keep unknown should be. Thus making it useless for negative information. >could have it so that only doctors can access medical information, police >criminal records etc etc. Yeah right. How are you going to keep doctors from spilling the beans? (We already know that you can't keep cops from disclosing info, but at least that info is typically supposed to be public anyway.) > Like I said, it's best if you read the article for yourself. The article discusses technology, not appropriate policy. It also fails to deal with ""what happens if the folks with the secrets blab"". -andy -- ";-1;0 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Wings will win Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 24 In article ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: > >I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they >face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters >are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM >I have ever seen in hockey, I'm not as impressed with his abilities as >a bench coach or in general as a motivator. With the amount of talent he >has on this team, he should have blown away everyone in the Norris. There >is not another team in the Norris, maybe even in the Campbell conference, >that can hold a candle to Detroit on paper in terms of pure talent. But, >some guys have not been pulling their weight at times this year. Scotty >Bowman, on the other hand, who has won (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) >nine (9) stanley cups, is an outstanding coach, and I think he could >outcoach Murray if they faced each other. > Bryan Murray has done very little as GM...Yzerman, Fedorov, Cheveldae, Chaisson, the whole Russian strategy was a product of the previous GM...Murray has made a couple of decent trades...that's about it... that would hardly rank him as the best GM. Wasn't Primeau, Murray's first decision as GM... Gerald ";-1;0 "From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) Subject: Serdar Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu What are you, retarded? --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo ";-1;0 "From: VANDAMME@NMR.RUG.AC.BE Subject: XmScale & XtAddEventHandler Organization: The Internet Lines: 29 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Dear Xperts, I'm developing an application that uses a Motif slider to select an image file out of a directory. Now I would like to display the name of the file corresponding to the value of the dragged scale button (i.e. with the MB1 pressed). As XmNshowValue only displays the current value of the scale button and not the actual corresponding image file name, I thought of using an XtAddEventHandler to do the mapping between the scale value and the file name: XtAddEventHandler(scaleImage,Button1MotionMask, FALSE, SliderMoved, NULL); and in the eventhandler do a: while (XCheckTypedWindowEvent (display, event->window, MotionNotify, &Return)) ; XmScaleGetValue(scaleImage,&value); /*map value to file entry in directory and finally obtain file name to open*/ However, when I move the pointer in the scale widget I get callbacks, with of co urse a null effect as my MB1 is not pressed to move the scale button. So what is goin g wrong? Or is the a wrong approach to this problem? Any hints are highly appreciated. --- Phil ";-1;0 "From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) Subject: Re: I thought commercial Advertising was Not allowed Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 65 In article , matt@galaxy.nsc.com (Matt Freivald x8043) writes: > > > In article 164871 in talk.politics.misc, margoli@watson.ibm.com > (Larry Margolis) writes: > > >>I would suggest that legal precedent defines a human being (i.e., a person > >>whose rights are protected by the Constitution and the law) as someone with > >>a functioning brain. > > >No, if you want to use legal precedent, you should take a look at the > >Model Penal Code, on which many states base their criminal code: > > My apologies if I was unclear; I was not trying to start a statutory > debate, since there are many (in some cases conflicting) statutes on > the books. I was merely suggesting a paradigm that might make sense > for a pro-choicer IMHO. Cite one of these conflicting statutes. You keep making these assertions, but you haven't supported any of them yet. I am speaking of statutes that conflict with the definition Larry posted. Why did you delete the code that Larry posted? Also, the Model Penal Code made perfect sense to me. Were you, perhaps, confused by it? Also, I am still looking for your definition. The one you used clearly indicates that a fetus is not a human being. > >>This is not likely to please either pro-lifers or > >>pro-choicers, but it is pretty clear from the legal/medical concept of > >>""brain death"". > >""Brain death"" is a method of deciding when a (known) person is legally > >dead; there's no analogous concept of ""brain birth"". > I have just coined it. You may object to the paradigm, but it would > make our treatment of human life statutorily consistent. Circular arguments are usually very consistent. > >>>> 3) If a parent has the right to choose to not take responsibility > >>>> for their own child, why are there laws and penalties against > >>>> child abandonment? > >>>This last question is irrelevant and something of a non sequitur. > >>>Can you establish some relevance or even some sense for it? > >>If at some point an unborn child is a human being, the parents clearly > >>have the same responsibilities toward her as any other parents have toward > >>their children. > >And no parent can be forced to supply bodily resources toward their children, > >even if necessary to save the child's life. > There is a confusion here between action and inaction: a parent does not have > to run out in front of a bus to save their child's life either, but a parent > IS required to feed his children. Again, your desire for consistency disappears when it does not suit your needs. The principle of protecting life is abandoned based on ""action versus inaction."" Not much of a principle. Suddenly you recognize that the claim on bodily resources is dependent on circumstances other than this principle of life. That's a very conevnient principle you have there, Matt. Dean Kaflowitz ";-1;0 "From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Lines: 9 In George F. Krumins writes: >It is so typical that the rights of the minority are extinguished by the >wants of the majority, no matter how ridiculous those wants might be. Umm, perhaps you could explain what 'rights' we are talking about here .. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Nicholls ... : Vidi nicho@vnet.ibm.com or : Vici nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk : Veni ";-1;0 "From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Question???? Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 12 In article <1r25ldINN9rp@frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu> fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) writes: >This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene >I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD? This has to be a setup. Lookit--same site as Arnie Skurow. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. ";7;1 "From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: } In article <1993Apr18.032345.5178@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: } >In article <1993Apr18.030412.1210@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) writes: } >>Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) writes: } >> } >>>Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had? } >> } >>Uh, Jack lost his edge about 5 years ago, and has had only one above } >>average year in the last 5. } > } >Again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky. You can } >count on good tomorrow. Lucky seems to be prone to bad starts (and a } >bad finish last year :-). } > } >(Yes, I am enjoying every last run he gives up. Who was it who said } >Morris was a better signing than Viola?) } } Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their } fingers. oooooo. cheap shot. :^) } Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his } future. who cares? he had two of them before he came to Toronto; and if the Jays had signed Viola instead of Morris, it would have been Frank who won 20 and got the ring. and he would be on his way to 20 this year, too. } Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best } signing. your logic is curious, and spurious. there is no reason to believe that Viola wouldn't have won as many games had *he* signed with Toronto. when you compare their stupid W-L records, be sure to compare their team's offensive averages too. now, looking at anything like the Morris-Viola sweepstakes a year later is basically hindsight. but there were plenty of reasons why it should have been apparent that Viola was the better pitcher, based on previous recent years and also based on age (Frank is almost 5 years younger! how many knew that?). people got caught up in the '91 World Series, and then on Morris' 21 wins last year. wins are the stupidest, most misleading statistic in baseball, far worse than RBI or R. that he won 21 just means that the Jays got him a lot of runs. the only really valid retort to Valentine is: weren't the Red Sox trying to get Morris too? oh, sure, they *said* Viola was their first choice afterwards, but what should we have expected they would say? } And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't } even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th. if this is true, it won't be for lack of contribution by Viola, so who cares? -*- charles ";-1;0 "From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Originator: kevinh@nath Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch Organization: Ascom Hasler AG Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: |> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes: |> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: |> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm? |> >> |> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it. |> > |> > Why not? Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus |> >and Vauxhall. Rover is only owned 20% by Honda. |> |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would on the likes of A.M., |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus. It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British |> ownership. It's a fundamental thing I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not the name. kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch ";-1;0 "From: dyoung@ecst.csuchico.edu (Douglas Young) Subject: Re: To be, or Not to be [ a Disaster ] Distribution: na Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 77 NNTP-Posting-Host: grotus.ecst.csuchico.edu In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: >In article <612@vega.iii.com> rhockins@enrico.tmc.edu (Russ) writes: > >In article phil@netcom.com (Phil > >Ronzone) writes: > > > >>Not at all. You are apparently just another member of the > >>Religious Left. > >> > >Not at all. I am not a member of the Religious Left, Right, > >or even Center. In fact I don't consider myself very > >religious at all [ this will probably result in flames now :) > >]. In fact Phil, you should leave religion out of it. It just > >clouds the issue. > >The religous left worships trees, rivers, the planet, and hates people. And the religious right worships engines, smokestacks, landfills, and hates people. What does this name-calling have to do with anything you are claiming about the truth of environmental disaster? Nothing that I have read in this thread, nor heard from anyone I have talked to, would suggest to me that people fit the definition you give of the religious left. Come off it, Phil. A prime motivation for protecting our environment is so that we, people, can continue to live in it healthily. We just disagree on what is necessary to maintaining a healthy environment FOR PEOPLE. > >>Show me all these environmental ""disasters"". Most of them > >>aren't. And the natural disasters we have had individually > >>far outweigh the man-made ones. [Russ's response deleted to save space] >I guess you missed the newspaper articles this week about Exxon presenting >evidnce (through the ASTM) on the issue of the Valdez incident. Seems >that Valdez is mostly recovered, despite the Religious Left's cries of ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >""hundreds of years"". What!? They have already repaired that old hulk!!!? WOW!!! ;-) I suppose you *mean* the Alaskan shores that were devastated by the Valdez accident? I haven't seen the articles. What do they say exactly? Has [mostly] all the ocean and shore life returned? The sands are [mostly] as clean as they were before? The microbial samples are [mostly] back to a normal balance? The fish and fowl populations have [mostly] returned? What? >Then again, the Relgious Left claimed it would take 20 yearsb to put out >the Kuwait oil fires... [...] > You should face the facts. Love Canal >was not, and is not, an environmental disaster, nor even a problem. > >Nor is Times Beach and TMI and acid rain killing trees and .... Not a problem? Would you move to Three Mile Island? I would imagine there is some cheap property available! The naturally occurring catastrophic events [disasters] that destroy property (ie: hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes) do not usually leave toxic wastes that prevent people from re-building their lives there. The man-made disasters (oil spills, toxic dumping, radioactive waste dispersions) cause death and make an area unliveable far beyond the initial event. >-- >There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of >environmental disaster. Weird, eh? > >These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...) -- ---)---------- ----------(--- Douglas Young (dyoung@ecst.csuchico.edu) I don't know why, but I seem to expect a serious discussion on the net. ---)---------- ----------(--- ";-1;0 "From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library F Organization: Boeing Lines: 13 Sorry about not mentioning platform... my original post was to mac.programmer, and then decided to post here to comp.graphics. I'd like the 3D software to run on primarily Mac in either C, Object Pascal (Think or MPW). But, I'll port to Windows later, so a package that runs on Mac and has a Windows version would be ideal. I'm looking for a package that has low upfront costs, and reasonable licensing costs... of course :) BobC ";-1;0 "From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) Subject: Home Medical Tests Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu I am looking for current sources for lists of all the home medical tests currently legally available. I believe this trend of allowing tests at home where feasible, decreased medical costs by a factor of 10 or more and allows the patient some time and privacy to consider the best action from the results of such tests. In fact I believe home medical tests and certain basic tests for serious diseases such as cancer, heart disease, should be offered free to the American public. This could actually help to reduce national medical costs since many would have an earlier opportunity to know about and work toward recuperation or cure. Mike Romano -- Sir, I admit your gen'ral rule That every poet is a fool; But you yourself may serve to show it, That every fool is not a poet. A. Pope ";4;1 "From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) Subject: Re: What to put in Centris 650 Internal Bay? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 24 hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: >tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes: >>jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes: >>>Yes, you get internal mixing of the analog CD-Audio outputs with >>>the Mac generated audio on the Mac motherboard. Also you can sample >>>the CD-Audio using the sound control panel by clicking on the Options >>>button next to the microphone icon. >>How do you click on the Options button? I've never seen it undimmed. > The latest word on this is you have to disconnect the Microphone >cable on the motherboard. Then the button is supposed to un-dim. >-Hades Sorry, I assumed that the the various new machines with the internal CD-ROM bay worked the same as the Quadra 900. Obviously they don't. I can use any of three inputs by changing the radio button under the sound cp on my Quadra 900, Microphone, External, and CD-ROM. I always leave the microphone plugged in (even though I never use it). ";-1;0 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Perhaps the chimps that failed to evolve cooperative behaviour >died out, and we are left with the ones that did evolve such >behaviour, entirely by chance. That's the entire point! >Are you going to proclaim a natural morality every time an >organism evolves cooperative behaviour? Yes! Natural morality is a morality that developed naturally. >What about the natural morality of bee dance? Huh? keith ";-1;0 "From: kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) Subject: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Originator: kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU Keywords: printer Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University Lines: 35 Hello fellow 'netters. I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500. I thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest potential. And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls better than any salesperson. Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi). Which is faster? Is there a noticeable print quality difference, particularly in graphics? Which will handle large documents better (75 pages or more) -- any personal experience on either will be appreciated here? Which works better under Windows 3.1 (any driver problems, etc)? Cost of memory, font packages, toner cartridges, etc? Basically, your personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable, both good and bad. Advance kudos and thanks for all your input. E-mail or news posting is readily acceptable, but e-mail is encouraged (limits bandwidth). -- Sincerely, Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu ""In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."" ""You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision revised?!?!"" ";-1;0 "From: mmc@cs.rit.edu (Mahendra M Chheda) Subject: How can I rotate text ? Nntp-Posting-Host: mackinac Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Hi, I am programming in XView, SunOS 4.1.2 & OpenWindows 3.0. I would like to rotate some text and display it. I did read the FAQ in comp.windows.x but am not sure how do I translate it to XView. I would appreciate if someone can give me tips on how to do it. Thanx. - Mahendra. PS : As I am not a frequent news group reader, I would appreciate if answers/replies would be mailed to me. I will post a follow-up. -- *************************************************************************** Mahendra Chheda # mmc@cs.rit.edu # mmc7274@ritvax.isc.rit.edu # # Office : # Residence : Dept. of Computer Science # 440 Kimball Drive Rochester Institute of Tech. # Rochester, NY 14623 Tel. 716-475-2079 # Tel. 716-292-5726 *************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: parkin@Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Parkin) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Reply-To: parkin@Eng.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 57 Another issue of importance. Was the crucification the will of God or a tragic mistake. I believe it was a tragic mistake. God's will can never be accomplished through the disbelief of man. Jesus came to this world to build the kingdom of heaven on the earth. He desperately wanted the Jewish people to accept him as the Messiah. If the crucification was the will of God how could Jesus pray that this cup pass from him. Was this out of weakness. NEVER. Many men and women have given their lives for their country or other noble causes. Is Jesus less than these. No he is not. He knew the crucification was NOT the will of GOD. God's will was that the Jewish people accept Jesus as the Messiah and that the kingdom of Heaven be established on the earth with Jesus as it's head. (Just like the Jewish people expected). If this had happened 2000 years ago can you imagine what kind of world we would live in today. It would be a very different world. And that is eactly what GOD wanted. Men and women of that age could have been saved by following the living Messiah while he was on the earth. Jesus could have established a sinless lineage that would have continued his reign after his ascension to the spiritual world to live with GOD. Now the kingdom of heaven on the earth will have to wait for Christ's return. But when he returns will he be recognized and will he find faith on this earth. Isn't it about time for his return. It's been almost 2000 years. Mike In article 28885@athos.rutgers.edu, oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser) writes: In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >The two historic facts that I think the most important are these: > >(1) If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then he must have done something >else equally impressive, in order to create the observed amount of impact. > >(2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the >Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so >(it would have discredited the Christians). And the two simplest refutations are these: (1) What impact? The only record of impact comes from the New Testament. I have no guarantee that its books are in the least accurate, and that the recorded ""impact"" actually happened. I find it interesting that no other contemporary source records an eclipse, an earthquake, a temple curtain being torn, etc. The earliest written claim we have of Jesus' resurrection is from the Pauline epistles, none of which were written sooner than 20 years after the supposed event. (2) It seems probable that no one displayed the body of Jesus because no one knew where it was. I personally believe that the most likely explanation was that the body was stolen (by disciples, or by graverobbers). Don't bother with the point about the guards ... it only appears in one gospel, and seems like exactly the sort of thing early Christians might make up in order to counter the grave-robbing charge. The New Testament does record that Jews believed the body had been stolen. If there were really guards, they could not have effectively made this claim, as they did. -Scott O. ";-1;0 "From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) Subject: Passenger helmet sizing Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: >In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: >> >> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for >>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church >>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just >>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I >>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely >>passenger? > >If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a >crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size. If your >primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big >spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a >small one). While shopping for a passenger helmet, I noticed that in many cases the external dimensions of the helmets were the same from S through XL. The difference was the amount of inside padding. My solution was to buy a large helmet, and construct a removable liner from a sheet of .5"" closed-cell foam and some satin (glued to the inside surface). The result is a reasonably snug fit on my smallest-headed pillion with the liner in, and a comfortable fit on my largest-headed pillion with the liner out. Everyone else gets linered or not by best fit. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Robinson UUCP: ucbvax!cogsci!robinson INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu ";-1;0 "Subject: .GL and .FLI specs From: arthur@qedbbs.com (Arthur Choung) Organization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA Lines: 6 Can somebody point out to me where I can find the specs for .GL and .FLI files found on PC's? ------------------------------ arthur@qedbbs.com (Arthur Choung) or qed!arthur The QED BBS -- (310)420-9327 ";1;1 "From: xrcjd@mudpuppy.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 (SILLY) Organization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland Lines: 15 In article <1r3lf9$fu0@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Mark A. Cartwright writes: >Well, > >42 is 101010 binary, and who would forget that its the >answer to the Question of ""Life, the Universe, and Everything else."" >That is to quote Douglas Adams in a round about way. > >Of course the Question has not yet been discovered... But the Question was later revealed to be: What is 9 x 6? (In the base 13 system, of course.) -- Chuck Divine ";-1;0 "From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >>>Explain to me |> >>>how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen. |> >>For example, if it were instinctive not to murder... |> > |> >Then not murdering would have no moral significance, since there |> >would be nothing voluntary about it. |> |> See, there you go again, saying that a moral act is only significant |> if it is ""voluntary."" Why do you think this? If you force me to do something, am I morally responsible for it? |> |> And anyway, humans have the ability to disregard some of their instincts. Well, make up your mind. Is it to be ""instinctive not to murder"" or not? |> |> >>So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other |> >>beings mimics theirs? |> > |> >You are starting to get the point. Mimicry is not necessarily the |> >same as the action being imitated. A Parrot saying ""Pretty Polly"" |> >isn't necessarily commenting on the pulchritude of Polly. |> |> You are attaching too many things to the term ""moral,"" I think. |> Let's try this: is it ""good"" that animals of the same species |> don't kill each other. Or, do you think this is right? It's not even correct. Animals of the same species do kill one another. |> |> Or do you think that animals are machines, and that nothing they do |> is either right nor wrong? Sigh. I wonder how many times we have been round this loop. I think that instinctive bahaviour has no moral significance. I am quite prepared to believe that higher animals, such as primates, have the beginnings of a moral sense, since they seem to exhibit self-awareness. |> |> |> >>Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but |> >>they don't. |> > |> >They do. I and other posters have given you many examples of exactly |> >this, but you seem to have a very short memory. |> |> Those weren't arbitrary killings. They were slayings related to some |> sort of mating ritual or whatnot. So what? Are you trying to say that some killing in animals has a moral significance and some does not? Is this your natural morality> |> |> >>Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because |> >>most animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do? |> > |> >I'm saying: |> > ""There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not |> > just people we are talking about - can consider alternatives."" |> > |> >It's right there in the posting you are replying to. |> |> Yes it was, but I still don't understand your distinctions. What |> do you mean by ""consider?"" Can a small child be moral? How about |> a gorilla? A dolphin? A platypus? Where is the line drawn? Does |> the being need to be self aware? Are you blind? What do you think that this sentence means? ""There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not just people we are talking about - can consider alternatives."" What would that imply? |> |> What *do* you call the mechanism which seems to prevent animals of |> the same species from (arbitrarily) killing each other? Don't |> you find the fact that they don't at all significant? I find the fact that they do to be significant. jon. ";9;1 "From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article , holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > >What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic bullets. Would >those work very well in stopping an attack? Ask the Brits. Enough people have been killed by rubber bullets that they now use them under only certain ""controlled"" circumstances. And they are fired from something that looks like a tear gas launcher. There are smaller rubber bullets and pellets (for shotguns). I understand that they are only intended to be discouragers, ie. for the snapping but not truly dangerous animal. In general, they do not seem capable of really stopping someone who wants you or past you. They are fired at very low muzzle velocity (the .38 ball round is intended for a 400fps load). Finally, as your mother warned you, you can put an eye out with that thing. :-) -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | ";-1;0 "From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell) Subject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED -- HELP Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu Organization: Amherst College X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 9 What size dirtbikes did you ride? and for how long? You might be able to slip into a 500cc bike. Like I keep telling people, though, buy an older, cheaper bike and ride that for a while first...you might like a 500 Interceptor as an example Nathaniel ZX-10 DoD 0812 AMA ";-1;0 "From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) Subject: HELP: looking for Cleveland Sports Mailing List Info Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: mbcrr.harvard.edu I'm looking for the address to join the Cleveland Sports Mailing List. If anyone knows it, I would be greatful if they could email a copy of it to me. If you are a member, just mail me one of the List's letters. I could probably figure it out from there. Thanks! -- MM MM FFFFF Michael J. Fath M M M M F Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics M M M FFF Harvard Medical School M M F Boston, MA 02115 fath@mbcrr.harvard.edu ";-1;0 "From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 13 / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / Jason Kratz / 3:34 pm Apr 18, 1993 / >>Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect >>them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Listen buddy, if you're going to quote Star Trek get the quote right. It was >""Resistance is futile"". Get it right the next time :-) Sounds like a VOGON quote to me..... Perhaps YOU should READ more widely instead of watching that idiot box.... Rick. ";-1;0 "From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr17.085358.18460@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: >""Your honour, the suspect suddenly started using another level of >cryptography and we can't tap his phone calls any more. He must >have something to hide. Please sign the warrant to search his >house..."" What they would need to do, though, is make sure that nobody has access to decent crypto in the first place. They probably can't tell Clippered voice from Clippered triple-DESed voice until they get their copy of your key. Any criminal who's going to use encryption will do it under cover of Clipper. The only way to avoid this will be to try to prohibit strong encryption. I probably shouldn't say this, but they could try to detect the use of an illegal cypher by transmitting in the clear some statistical properties of the plaintext. An old-fashioned wiretap could then detect the use of pre-encryption, which would drastically increase the measured entropy of the input. A countermeasure to this would be to use steganographic techniques which put out voice. You can tell if the NSA built this feature in: blow on the mike, and observe whether a band of thugs comes through your ceiling. PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu ";-1;0 "From: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? Reply-To: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu Organization: Vis-Orb Tragnetics Recorporation Lines: 35 In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes: >>A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention >>about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just >>managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon. > >Their Hiten engineering-test mission spent a while in a highly eccentric >Earth orbit doing lunar flybys, and then was inserted into lunar orbit >using some very tricky gravity-assist-like maneuvering. This meant that >it would crash on the Moon eventually, since there is no such thing as >a stable lunar orbit (as far as anyone knows), and I believe I recall >hearing recently that it was about to happen. The gravity maneuvering that was used was to exploit 'fuzzy regions'. These are described by the inventor as exploiting the second-order perturbations in a three body system. The probe was launched into this region for the earth-moon-sun system, where the perturbations affected it in such a way as to allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible"". The originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for deceleration. This from an issue of 'Science News' or 'The Planetary Report' I believe, about 2 months ago(?). Raymond L. Swartz Jr. (rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu) ================================================================================ I read the newspaper today and was amazed that, in 24 hours, five billion people could accomplish so little. ================================================================================ ";-1;0 "From: cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 26 In article <1qvibv$b75@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: > >In a previous article, cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin) says: > >>I worked at AMORC when I was in HS. > >OK: So you were a naive teen. > >>He [HS Lewis] dates back to the 20's. > >Wrong: 1915 and if you do your homework, 1909. >But he was born LAST century (1883). > >> >>Right now AMORC is embroiled in some internal political turmoil. > >No it isn't. > > I guess the San Jose Mercury news is wrong then, and if so, why is the DA involved? -- Christopher D. Colvin ";-1;0 "From: ehud@eng.umd.edu (Ehud Oentung) Subject: MFM Controller Wanted Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 9 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: pepsi.eng.umd.edu I have a friend who is looking to buy MFM controller. If you have one for sale, would you please contact me through email... Thanx. Ehud. ehud@eng.umd.edu eoentung@cbis.com ";8;1 "From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) Subject: AL OPI through first week+ Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 186 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Here is the OPI (Offensive Production Index) for all AL players with at least 10 at bats. It is early in the season so there are some very high numbers. Last years leader was Frank Thomas at 0.682. Teams are denoted by an * as the first character of the name and each player has his team preceeding his name. The equations used are found at the end of the post. Comments and suggestions are welcome. Kevin League OPI: 0.448 League BA: 0.268 League SLG: 0.405 League OBA: 0.341 Rank Player OPI BA SLG OBA ----------------------------------------------------- 1 Tor,carter 2.142 0.583 1.417 0.615 2 Cle,baerga 1.432 0.520 1.040 0.538 3 Det,phillips 1.334 0.565 0.609 0.655 4 Oak,mcgwire 1.147 0.364 0.636 0.632 5 Tor,white 1.065 0.500 0.650 0.545 6 Bal,anderson 0.951 0.423 0.692 0.500 7 NYY,owen 0.934 0.500 0.577 0.567 8 Oak,rhenderson 0.911 0.391 0.565 0.533 9 Mil,thon 0.804 0.476 0.619 0.476 10 Oak,browne 0.800 0.476 0.476 0.522 11 Tex,palmer 0.781 0.333 0.875 0.333 11 Det,gibson 0.781 0.312 0.562 0.500 13 Cle,howard 0.755 0.455 0.727 0.455 14 NYY,tartabull 0.742 0.296 0.667 0.424 15 Tex,rodriguez 0.736 0.429 0.500 0.529 15 Tex,gonzalez 0.736 0.261 0.913 0.292 17 Bos,zupcic 0.728 0.400 0.500 0.455 18 Sea,felder 0.723 0.357 0.429 0.471 19 Oak,blankenship 0.722 0.333 0.333 0.524 20 Min,puckett 0.717 0.280 0.720 0.379 21 NYY,oneill 0.710 0.435 0.609 0.458 22 Cle,belle 0.703 0.348 0.696 0.375 23 Sea,buhner 0.699 0.294 0.471 0.478 24 Mil,hamilton 0.682 0.458 0.458 0.500 25 Det,whitaker 0.680 0.312 0.500 0.421 26 Det,fielder 0.666 0.273 0.591 0.407 27 Tor,sprague 0.649 0.300 0.750 0.300 28 Whi,cora 0.646 0.350 0.500 0.458 29 Whi,raines 0.641 0.250 0.750 0.308 30 NYY,kelly 0.625 0.348 0.565 0.375 31 Bos,quintana 0.617 0.455 0.455 0.455 32 Sea,tmartinez 0.612 0.211 0.632 0.348 32 Cal,gonzales 0.612 0.250 0.250 0.478 34 Whi,burks 0.609 0.348 0.565 0.375 35 Cal,snow 0.602 0.368 0.526 0.400 36 Whi,karkovice 0.598 0.167 0.417 0.412 37 *Cleveland 0.595 0.340 0.549 0.377 38 Cle,sorrento 0.594 0.273 0.727 0.273 39 Sea,amaral 0.587 0.368 0.579 0.429 39 Bos,cooper 0.587 0.375 0.458 0.423 41 Min,winfield 0.578 0.292 0.667 0.292 42 Cal,curtis 0.571 0.333 0.381 0.417 43 Bos,mvaughn 0.566 0.316 0.526 0.350 44 Oak,steinbach 0.556 0.333 0.542 0.385 45 *Oakland 0.555 0.298 0.439 0.406 46 NYY,maas 0.547 0.333 0.389 0.429 47 Kan,joyner 0.546 0.300 0.400 0.417 48 Min,knoblauch 0.535 0.304 0.348 0.448 49 Bos,greenwell 0.534 0.261 0.478 0.370 50 Oak,brosius 0.532 0.273 0.545 0.333 51 Tor,olerud 0.530 0.333 0.400 0.412 52 Bal,mercedes 0.529 0.286 0.429 0.412 53 *NYYankees 0.527 0.321 0.468 0.377 54 Bal,hoiles 0.525 0.263 0.526 0.333 55 Mil,kmak 0.523 0.286 0.286 0.412 56 Oak,dhenderson 0.517 0.231 0.462 0.412 57 Cle,lofton 0.515 0.346 0.385 0.370 58 Min,larkin 0.514 0.357 0.500 0.400 59 Bos,dawson 0.504 0.333 0.458 0.360 60 Cle,camartinez 0.503 0.333 0.389 0.400 61 Det,gladden 0.498 0.312 0.500 0.312 62 Cal,polonia 0.494 0.292 0.500 0.320 63 *California 0.487 0.295 0.404 0.364 64 *Detroit 0.484 0.260 0.410 0.357 65 Det,tettleton 0.475 0.211 0.421 0.348 66 Cal,disarcina 0.473 0.304 0.478 0.304 67 Cal,easley 0.472 0.304 0.435 0.333 68 Bal,baines 0.470 0.300 0.400 0.364 69 Tex,franco 0.469 0.300 0.350 0.391 70 Whi,ljohnson 0.464 0.280 0.400 0.333 71 Sea,vizquel 0.463 0.222 0.222 0.417 72 NYY,bwilliams 0.461 0.294 0.471 0.314 73 Mil,gvaughn 0.460 0.222 0.389 0.391 74 Min,hrbek 0.458 0.240 0.360 0.367 75 Bal,cripken 0.451 0.333 0.407 0.379 75 *Seattle 0.451 0.237 0.367 0.361 77 Cal,salmon 0.448 0.267 0.267 0.450 78 Kan,mcreynolds 0.447 0.182 0.500 0.280 79 *Toronto 0.443 0.261 0.430 0.318 79 *Texas 0.443 0.237 0.489 0.289 81 Min,pagliarulo 0.439 0.286 0.429 0.333 82 *WhiteSox 0.432 0.243 0.378 0.336 83 Kan,hiatt 0.431 0.278 0.500 0.316 84 Whi,guillen 0.426 0.263 0.263 0.364 85 Whi,thomas 0.419 0.259 0.333 0.355 86 Kan,mcrae 0.414 0.296 0.333 0.345 87 *Boston 0.411 0.270 0.365 0.336 88 Cle,hill 0.410 0.300 0.500 0.300 89 NYY,mattingly 0.400 0.324 0.353 0.343 90 *Baltimore 0.394 0.251 0.361 0.315 91 Bal,gomez 0.382 0.316 0.316 0.350 91 *Minnesota 0.382 0.237 0.379 0.298 93 Whi,fisk 0.381 0.273 0.545 0.273 94 Cle,jefferson 0.379 0.263 0.316 0.333 95 Oak,neel 0.370 0.188 0.500 0.188 96 Cal,cdavis 0.369 0.211 0.421 0.250 97 Bos,fletcher 0.364 0.217 0.391 0.280 98 *Milwaukee 0.361 0.257 0.293 0.333 99 Det,livingstone 0.360 0.250 0.438 0.294 100 Tor,ralomar 0.354 0.263 0.316 0.333 101 *KansasCity 0.343 0.236 0.327 0.291 102 Oak,bordick 0.339 0.200 0.250 0.304 103 Tex,canseco 0.337 0.190 0.381 0.261 104 Sea,valle 0.336 0.250 0.312 0.294 105 Bal,devereaux 0.329 0.207 0.379 0.233 106 Kan,lind 0.323 0.188 0.438 0.188 107 Mil,surhoff 0.312 0.227 0.273 0.292 107 Kan,brett 0.312 0.259 0.296 0.286 109 Whi,bell 0.310 0.207 0.310 0.258 110 Cle,salomar 0.306 0.200 0.200 0.304 111 Mil,jaha 0.304 0.267 0.267 0.353 111 Det,fryman 0.304 0.185 0.296 0.214 113 NYY,boggs 0.296 0.200 0.233 0.294 114 Tex,bripken 0.290 0.250 0.333 0.308 115 Min,mack 0.289 0.233 0.333 0.258 116 Min,harper 0.288 0.280 0.280 0.280 117 Cle,fermin 0.284 0.200 0.200 0.304 118 Bos,rivera 0.276 0.118 0.176 0.286 119 Mil,spiers 0.275 0.231 0.231 0.286 120 Mil,yount 0.268 0.208 0.208 0.269 121 Tor,schofield 0.265 0.133 0.267 0.235 121 Tex,hulse 0.265 0.154 0.308 0.214 123 Sea,griffey 0.261 0.105 0.263 0.261 124 Sea,obrien 0.259 0.100 0.100 0.308 124 Kan,macfarlane 0.259 0.273 0.273 0.333 126 Oak,sierra 0.256 0.200 0.240 0.231 127 Kan,jose 0.254 0.167 0.167 0.286 128 Bos,hatcher 0.252 0.188 0.188 0.278 129 Sea,blowers 0.251 0.200 0.200 0.273 130 Whi,ventura 0.247 0.167 0.167 0.310 130 Tex,palmeiro 0.247 0.130 0.261 0.167 132 Bal,reynolds 0.227 0.118 0.118 0.250 133 Kan,mayne 0.222 0.231 0.231 0.231 133 Cal,myers 0.222 0.231 0.231 0.231 135 NYY,nokes 0.219 0.150 0.300 0.150 136 Bos,calderon 0.209 0.167 0.167 0.286 137 Bos,pena 0.207 0.267 0.267 0.267 138 Tor,molitor 0.194 0.150 0.200 0.190 139 Det,deer 0.182 0.125 0.167 0.192 140 Det,cuyler 0.179 0.077 0.154 0.143 141 Tor,borders 0.159 0.111 0.167 0.158 142 Whi,grebeck 0.141 0.100 0.100 0.182 143 Bal,gdavis 0.137 0.111 0.148 0.143 144 Tex,dascenzo 0.128 0.091 0.182 0.091 145 Min,leius 0.115 0.083 0.083 0.154 145 Mil,reimer 0.115 0.083 0.083 0.154 147 Tor,djackson 0.114 0.133 0.133 0.133 148 Tex,gill 0.070 0.059 0.059 0.158 149 Kan,gagne 0.042 0.095 0.095 0.095 0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS) OPI = ---------------------------------------------------------------- AB - H BA = H / AB SLG = (H + 2B + 2*3B + 3*HR) / AB OBA = (H + BB) / (AB + BB) -- Jet Propulsion Laboratory | schmke@cco.caltech.edu 4800 Oak Grove Dr. | schmidt@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov M/S 525-3684 | Pasadena, CA 91109 | ";14;1 "From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen) Subject: Re: We knew it would happen Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 19 In talk.politics.guns, jagst18+@pitt.edu (Josh A Grossman) writes: Well Josh I agree with you to some respect...less your spelling errors. The Gov'mnt always must win! even if they kill every man women and child....by GOD they must win at all costs...... This happens over and over and over in this country. Lets make excuses, get the worthless press to cover up everything, let the officials take the heat for top management stupidity etc...etc... > I am sick with greif for the entire well being of this nation and the > constitution in claims to protect. > > Later, > Josh > >later Morty ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Who picks first? From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr17.181421.14349@epas.toronto.edu>, sclark@epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Clark) writes: > According to THE FAN here in T.O., Ottawa has won the Daigle e > sweepstakes. They didn't mention why, but San Jose had more goals > than the Sen-sens, so I have a hunch this is why Ottawa would pick > first..... If I'm not mistaken, San Jose had more wins than Ottawa. First tiebreaker in the NHL is always most wins. Alan ";-1;0 "From: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu Subject: Re: SUPER TOUGH Baseball Trivia Reply-To: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu Organization: Pomona College Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr17.015908.10416@ncar.ucar.edu>, amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony Michael Jivoin) writes: >In the Bruce Springsteen video ""Glory Days"", from the Born >in the USA album, they show two quick shots of a baseball game >on television in the bar Bruce and the E-Street band are playing. > >Name the teams? > >Which Stadium? > >Who is the pitcher? > >What two batters go down swinging? > >Also at the end of the video Bruce is throwing at a wooden >""strike zone"" and his last pitch a young boy lines a base >hit into center. As Bruce and the kid walk of the field the >kid asks him how he did today. > >Bruce mentions the team he was playing and that a certain >player got him in the bottom of the ninth. > >Name the player and the team! sandiego and graig nettles > >If anyone gets these I'll be impressed. > >Anthony M. Jivoin >National Center for Atmospheric Research >RSF/ATD - FL1 >P.O. Box 3000 >Boulder, CO 80307 ";-1;0 "From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) Subject: Re: Opel owners? Organization: National University of Singapore Lines: 1 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 By the way, what do people think about the Opel CAlibra? ";-1;0 "From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles... Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes: }1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have }to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too }ignorant to know I need to buy) The following numbers are approximate, and will no doubt get me flamed: Helmet (new, but cheap) $100 Jacket (used or very cheap) $100 Gloves (nothing special) $ 20 Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!) $140 That leaves you between $900 and $1000 (depending on the accuracy of my numbers) to buy a used bike, get it registered, get it insured, and get it running properly. I'd say you're cutting it close. Perhaps if your parents are reasonable, and you indicated your wish to learn to ride safely, you could get them to pick up the cost of the MSF course and some of the safety gear. Early holiday presents or whatever. Those are one-time (well, long-term anyway) investments, and you could spend your money on the actual bike, insurance, registration, and maintenance. -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson ";-1;0 "From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet Article-I.D.: rwing.2087 Distribution: na Organization: Totally Unorganized Lines: 52 In article <19APR199313020883@charon.gsfc.nasa.gov> paul@charon.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes: >In article <1qnav4$r3l@transfer.stratus.com>, cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes... >>In article clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: >> >>>Further, the Attorney General >> > [ ... good post describing what is in store for us deleted ... ] > >It's also interesting to note that two months ago Rush Limbaugh said that >Clinton would have the ""plumbers"" out in force shortly. Clinton and his >henchmen firmly believe in strong ubiquitous government control. Anytime a >leader believes in that, the leader will use every means possible to retain >that control and take more. > >WE have to take OUR government back. Otherwise we will end up living in the >equivalent of a high-tech third world dictatorship. We have to take >responsibility for ourselves, our personal welfare, and our actions. I totally agree. But how do you propose we take government back? They obviously don't listen to the people or want the people to know who is responsibile for what (a person telnetted the site of the Clipper chip release, to see what the entity 'clipper' was, and got a few lists. BUt when another person tried a bit later, the commands were disabled) Does not sound like an Administration that wants to have any accountability or information they don't control given to the people. The secret development and implimentation of the Clipper Chip decision further backs that up. You can bet unaurhorized encryption methods and software will be considered 'terrorist tools' and also subject to civil forfeiture, along with the systems that are running it. YOU WATCH, SEE IF I AM WRONG. The government is not going to be very cooperative about the people taking it back. And they have all the resources, unlimited access to the media for propeganda, and almost all the guns (soon to be ALL the guns if Clinton's agenda succeeds)... Those that do not play ball? Waco might be a good example of what to expect... The warrant (just released) stated the reason for the raid was the BDs spent a very large sum for weapons, over an undetermined amount of time. I don't recall spending a lot of money on guns, etc being illegal ... yet, that is. Clinton might go down in history as the worst thing to ever happen to the US of A. ... Now to be known as the 'Peoples Socalist Democratic Republic of America' (PSDRA). Big Brother is LISTENING!!! Hail Big Brother... (and Sister...?) only ten years late!!! -- pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien ";-1;0 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Some birds require constant management for survival. Pointing a sensor at the sun, even when powered down, may burn it out. Pointing a parabolic antenna at Sol, from venus orbit may trash the foci elements. Even if you let teh bird drift, it may get hosed by some cosmic phenomena. pat ";-1;0 "From: zxmkr08@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel) Subject: Re: The _real_ probability of abiogenesis (was Re: Albert Sabin) Organization: InterNetNews at ZDV Uni-Tuebingen Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de In <1qc6tiINNhie@ctron-news.ctron.com> king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: >adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters) writes: >>1) We're not just talking about proteins. In fact, we shouldn't be >>talking about proteins at all, since (if I have to say this again I'm >>goint to be really upset) *nobody*claims*that*proteins*appeared*de* >>*novo* >>the proteins did not form randomly. >> >Before I repond to 2.), Andy, please clarify 1.). You state that >proteins did not form randomly. That seems to be my point. Well, I am not Andy, but if you had familiarized yourself with some of the current theories/hypotheses about abiogenesis before posting :-), you would be aware of the fact that none of them claims that proteins were assembled randomly from amino acids. It is current thinking that RNA- based replicators came before proteinaceous enzymes, and that proteins were assembled by some kind of primitive translation machinery. Now respond to 2. :-) --Cornelius. -- /* Cornelius Krasel, Department of Physiological Chemistry, U Tuebingen */ /* email: krasel@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de */ /* ""People are DNA's way of making more DNA."" (R. Dawkins / anonymous) */ ";19;1 "From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) Subject: Re: Can you share one monitor w/ 2 cpus? Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California Lines: 13 bm967@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Kantrowitz) writes ... > >I have a Centris 610 & want to get an IBM machine as well. >To save space on my desk, I would like to use one monitor >for both, with a switch-box. Does anyone know of a way to do >this? Sure. Buy a switch box and a multisync monitor. I have just that arrangement on my desk and it works fine. -- Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche ";-1;0 "From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey) Subject: Re: Mercury Capri Restrictions Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 24 The restriction could have to do with the car being a convertible. A lot of paronoid laws were passed concerning convertibles in the 80's. These states may require greater rollover protection than the Capri affords. Thatch Harvey %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Thatch Harvey % % uucp: (no longer valid) domain: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com % % Hewlett-Packard Lake Stevens Instrument Division % % Lake Stevens, WA % % (206) 335-2083 Merkur XR4Ti, Suzuki GSX1100G, % % Prince SR3 D Sports Racer % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ";-1;0 "From: mps1@cec1.wustl.edu (Mihir Pramod Shah) Subject: Re: Saturn performance(was Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Distribution: na Lines: 27 In article <4fjDcfu00iV2I9Kap_@andrew.cmu.edu> ""Jason M. Roth"" writes: >>I can't imagine any Civic or Saturn owners flex'n there egos in stop light >>races. It generates as much excitement as two nerds challenging each other >>in a game of one-on-one basketball!! > >The SL2 does 0-60 in about 8.5; note that this is closer to a 968 than >to a Paseo or Storm (pseudo-sporty cars). That's a ridiculous >comparison, I know, but the point is that Saturns (and high-end Civics, >for that matter) accelerate just fine, in fact better than most >unimproved ""muscle"" cars of the 60s; 300 hp is great, but tied to 2 >tons, it just doesn't go that quick. Saturns, on the other hand, use 125 >hp tied to 2400 lbs with some short gearing to move very quickly off the >line. Anyway.... > > > While your 0-60 time is consistent with most car magazines and reports, I saw the PBS MotorWeek show clock a 5-speed SL2 at 7.9 seconds. I'm sure that most SL2 owners will be VERY lucky to get this speed, but 7.9 seconds is still astonishingly fast for a small 4-door. A new Civic EX runs about 8.2 seconds 0-60, if I'm not mistaken. Most cars in this class are lucky to be in the 9-second range. Mihir Shah ";-1;0 "From: generous@nova.sti.nasa.gov (Curtis Generous) Subject: Apple Tape backup 40SC under System 7.x Keywords: backup, tape, Organization: NASA STI Lines: 12 I need to get an Apple 40SC tape backup unit working under Sys 7.0.x, but do not have any drivers/software to access the device. Does anyone know where I can fidn the tools to access this device? Appreciate any info/comments. --curtis -- Curtis C. Generous generous@sti.nasa.gov (703) 685-1140 NASA STI, Code JTT, Washington, DC 20546 ";-1;0 "From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) Subject: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL Lines: 20 In article arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes: >Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1. > ........ The problem if transffering US government files about Yigal Arens and some other similar persons does or does not violate a federal or a local American law seemed to belong to some local american law forum not to this forum. The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents of those files. So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: 1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? 2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ? 3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an additional information should he send them ? Gideon Ehrlich ";-1;0 "From: steveq@DIALix.oz.au (Steve Quartly) Subject: WANTED: SIRD Alogorythmn Summary: WANTED: A Sird Alogorythmn Keywords: Sird Article-I.D.: DIALix.1praaa$pqv Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dialix.oz.au X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #1 Hi, I'm interested in writing a program to generate a SIRD picture, you know the stereogram where you cross your eyes and the picture becomes 3D. Does anyone have one or know where I can get one? Please e-mail to steveq@sndcrft.DIALix.oz.au with any replies. Many thanks for your help. Steve Q. ";-1;0 "From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Temple (was Re: Anybody out there?) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Lines: 25 tcsteven@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens) writes: >Chuck Petch writes: >>Now it appears that nothing stands in the way of rebuilding and resuming >>sacrifices, as the Scriptures indicate will happen in the last days. >>Although the Israeli government will give the permission to start, I think >>it is the hand of God holding the project until He is ready to let it >>happen. Brothers and sisters, the time is at hand. Our redemption is >>drawing near. Look up! >How is a scriptural Levitical priesthood resumed? Are there any Jews who >can legitimately prove their Levite bloodline? If I am not mistaken, the Jewish family names Cohen, Kahn, etc. are considered to be legitimate indicators of descent from Aaron. The family names Levi, Levene, etc. are considered to be legitimate indicators of descent from Levi. The main legal issue is the purification of the priesthood, which is supposed to involve finding the ashes of of the red heifer last used for this purpose 2000 years ago. _______________________________________________________________________________ steven stovall stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu (310) 825-7307 ";-1;0 "From: mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 74 NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: >I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, >but here goes: > >Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT > > MURDER MOST FOUL!! > >CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I watched the CNN report and I never heard them report that the ATF started the fire. They did speculate that the type of CS gas might have _accidentaly_ started the fire. >the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The >lies from ATF say ""holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear >gas pumped in"". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From my understanding of the CNN report it was 6 HOURS after they started. >ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that >the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The track vehicle that I saw in the vicinity of the building where fire was first noticed looked more like an armored recovery vehicle (the type used to tow tanks of battle fields) and not an armored flame-thrower vehicle. >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day in Texas. It seems to me that it would be very poor planing to hope for a wood stove to ignite the ""napalm"" when the stove would probably not be in use. And I doubt that it would have taken 6 hours to ignite it. > >THIS IS MURDER! > >ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!! > >THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! > >I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see >it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was >still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left >alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Right Clinton is in office. (Sorry I couldn't resist, please no flames :)) > >I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**! > >God help us all. > > >PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN! > > >W. K. Gorman - an American in tears. In short Mr. Gorman (I am assuming Mr. as a title because I don't think a woman would be stupid enough to make this post) I don't know what episode of CNN you were watching but it obviously was not the same one that I was watching or your tears seamed to have blured your hearing along with your eye sight. Please excuse any mispelled words as I am a product of the Arkansas education system which Slick Willie of the ""Double Bubba Ticket"" has so greately improved during his tenour as Governer of my great state (taking it from 49th in the nation in 1980 and allowing it to drop to 51st, how I don't know, and bringing it to 44st and back to either 48th or 49th in 1990--sorry I can't rember the source of these numbers but they can be found). Michael F. Rhein ";3;1 "From: jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 25 In article brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: [...]> >The greatest danger of the escrow database, if it were kept on disk, >would be the chance that a complete copy could somehow leak out. You [...]> >Of course then it's hard to backup. However, I think the consequences >of no backup -- the data is not there when a warrant comes -- are worse >than the consequences of a secret backup. If the data isn't there when the warrant comes, you effectively have secure crypto. If secret backups are kept...then you effectively have no crypto. Thus, this poster is essentialy arguing no crypto is better than secure crypto. If the data isn't there when the warrant comes, then the government will just have to use normal law enforcement techniques to catch crooks. Is this so bad? BTW, bugging isn't YET a normal law enforcement technique. With the privacy clipper, it WILL become a normal technique. /Jim -- Information farming at... For addr&phone: finger A/~~\A THE Ohio State University jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ((0 0))____ Jim Ebright e-mail: jre+@osu.edu \ / \ (--)\ ";-1;0 "From: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) Subject: WANTED: X & security posting Organization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA Lines: 20 A few days ago there was a posting in this group by Andrea Winkler titled ""X and Security / X Technical Conference"". I was one of the instructors of that tutorial. Unfortunately, my system purged the message before I had a chance to see it, and I don't have Andrea's email address. If someone has Andrea's address and/or the posting, I would really appreciate it if you'd forward it to me! Thanks --Jeremy Jeremy Epstein Internet: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com Trusted X Research Group Voice: +1 703/803-4947 TRW Systems Division Fairfax Virginia -- Jeremy Epstein Internet: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com Trusted X Research Group Voice: +1 703/803-4947 TRW Systems Division Fairfax Virginia ";-1;0 "From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 6 _TOO_ many. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | ";-1;0 "From: bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal Nntp-Posting-Host: virginia Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY Lines: 42 In article goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes: >In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >> >>From: Center for Policy Research >>Subject: Unconventional peace proposal >> >>A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. >>---------------------------------------------------------- by >> Elias Davidsson >>Having stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal. >> >>1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants >>for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew >>and the other Palestinian-Arab. >... >>5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed' >>marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on >>'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its >>ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a >>truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of >>people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the > > Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf. Someone else said something similar. I will not comment on the value or lack of value of Elias's ""proposal"". I just want to say that it is very distressing that at least two people here are profoundly ignorant of Nazi racial doctrine. They were NOT like Elias's idea, they were more like the opposite. Nazis believed in racial purity, not racial assimilation. An instructive example is the Nazi attitude to Gypsies. According to Nazi theoreticians, Gypsies were an Aryan race. They were persecuted, and in huge numbers murdered, because most European Gypies were considered not pure Gypsies but ""mongrels"" formed from the pure Gypsy race and other undesirable races. This was the key difference between the theoretical approach to Jews and Gypsies, by the way. It is also true that towards the end of WWII even the ""purist"" Gypsies were hunted down as the theory was forgotten. Brendan. (email: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au) ";15;1 "From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Subject: Re: more DoD paraphernali Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Distribution: world Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937 Lines: 46 JS>From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) JS>In article <1pppnrINNitg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, JS>doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis) wrote: JS>> JS>> How about a decal of thicker vinyl? JS> How about a Geeky temporary tatoo? I mean, why should the JS> RUBs be exempt from a little razzing. That's sick! I want! You make 'em up, I promise to order. I wannabe Badtothebone! The cheesy ""Live to Ride"" eagles are sitting on my shelf, waiting for the big ride down the coast. (It now looks like we may hit points farther south than expected. How do I get in contact with Bay Area Denizens? Replies to address below. Me n' Charlie will be along in early or mid May.) Seriously. I like the idea of temporary Geekys (Geekies? Geekae? Geekii?). It fits the whole DoD image: it sounds bad, but it's really worse. Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . JS>==================================================== JS>John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona JS> All standard disclaimers apply. * SLMR 2.1a * If Lucas built weapons, wars wouldn't start, either. ---- +===============================================================+ |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| +===============================================================+ ";-1;0 "From: seth@north1.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman) Subject: Oak Driver NEEDED (30d studio) Reply-To: seth@north1.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman) Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu Hi, I'm looking for the 3-D studio driver for the Oak card with 1 M of RAM. This would be GREATLY (and I mean that) appreciated Maybe I should have just gotten a more well know card. thanks seth@acpub.duke.edu ";-1;0 "From: Patrick Walker Subject: They guy who bad-mouthed Ulf... Lines: 16 Organization: The University of New Brunswick Ditto... If we allow people like him to continue to do what he does, it's a shame. People say that cheap shots and drawing penalties by fake- ing is part of the game, I say ""Bullsh-t!"". If he ever tried some like that on a Yzerman, he'd would have to deal with Probert now wouldn't he? What Ulf does isn't even retaliatory! There's now way one could justify what he does and if they do they're fools. /----\==========/ Patrick Walker / /--\ =========/ University of New Brunswick I I()I ======/ Canada \ \--/ / Detroit Fan Extraordinaire. \----/ ";13;1 "From: Leigh Palmer Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 02:42:51 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 11 In article Henry Spencer, henry@zoo.toronto.edu writes: >The National Air & Space Museum has both the prototype and the film. >When I was there, some years ago, they had the prototype on display and >the film continuously repeating. Great! I'll visit the National Air and Space Museum at the end of the month with my wife, who was also working at General Atomic at the time. Once again netnews has enriched my life. Leigh ";-1;0 "From: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops) Subject: WITNESS & PROOF OF CHRIST'S RESURRECTION Reply-To: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops) Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 143 IMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM; : T H E W I T N E S S & P R O O F O F : : : : J E S U S C H R I S T ' S R E S U R R E C T I O N : : : : F R O M T H E D E A D : HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM< * The WITNESS Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST: Mark 8:31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mark 9:31 For He was teaching His disciples and telling them, ""The Son of Man is to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him; and when He has been killed, He will rise three days later."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ Mark 10:34 ""And they will mock Him and spit upon Him, and scourge Him, and kill Him, and three days later He will rise again."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mark 12:26 ""But regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? Luke 18:33 and after they have scourged Him, they will kill Him; and the third day He will rise again. "" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Luke 24:46 and He said to them, ""Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and rise again from the dead the third day;^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ John 11:25 Jesus said to her, ""I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies, John 20:9 For as yet they did not understand the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead. ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Acts 17:3 ...explaining and giving evidence that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, ""This Jesus whom I am proclaiming to you is the Christ."" * The WITNESS Of The APOSTLE PAUL: 1 Corinthians 15:1-26 1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as it were to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed. 12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we witnessed against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied. 20 BUT NOW CHRIST HAS BEEN RAISED FROM THE DEAD, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, 24 then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. LOGICAL PROOFS OF JESUS CHRIST'S RESURRECTION 1. Jesus's enemies *would not* have stolen His body because that would have perpetrated the resurrection--the very opposite of what they desired. 2. Jesus' disciples *could not* have stolen His body because Pontius Pilate established guards to stand watch over the tomb lest His body be stolen. 3. Sadly (and ironically), many of Jesus' disciples did not believe in the Resurrection until Jesus had risen from the dead. 4. In nearly 20 centuries, no body has ever been produced to refute Jesus' assertion that He *would indeed* rise from the dead. 5. The probability of being able to perpetrate such a hoax successfully upon the entire world for nearly 20 centuries is astronomically negative! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ";-1;0 "From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell) Subject: Re: Why VESA Local-Bus ???? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 15 Reply-To: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) says: >Something to bear in mind is what the V in VLB stands for! > >V for Video - the origional intention of the bus was to speed up >the bus so that large memory to memory transfers would be faster. >This is espically useful in transfering data from main memory to >video memory. Well, not to be picky, but the V in VLB stands for VESA. While the V in VESA stands for video, saying the V in VLB stands for video is not entirely correct. -- ";-1;0 "From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 39 To recapitulate a bit: - The essence of marriage is two people's commitment to each other. - If two people claim to be married ""in their hearts"" but are not willing to have the marriage recognized by church and state, that's prima facie evidence that the commitment isn't really there. - There are obvious situations in which Christian marriage is possible without a civil or church wedding: if you're stranded on a desert island, or if your state forbids the marriage for an unjust reason (e.g., laws against interracial marriage). - The legal concept of ""common-law marriage"" is meant to ensure that the state will recognize marriages that did not start out with the usual ceremony and record-keeping. - Pastorally, I'm concerned that people should not use ""being married in God's eyes"" as an excuse for living together without a formal wedding. One has a duty to have one's marriage properly recorded and witnessed. - But there are also people who have been through a wedding ceremony without making a genuine commitment, and therefore are not married in God's eyes. Right? -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< [I think the last statement is dangerous. I believe as long as someone has formally undertaken the responsibility of marriage, they have a moral obligation, even if their intention was not right. Other people are involved in the marriage covenant. If they believed in good faith that a marriage occurred, then I think there are obligations created to them. Of course there are situations where intent can cause a marriage not to exist. The classic example is when it's done as part of a play. But these are exceptions, and should be clear to all parties. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) Subject: Re: CView answers Organization: -*- Whiting Corporation, Harvey, Illinois -*- X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 11 renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: : A very kind soul has mailed me this reply for the bugs in CView. : Since he isn't in the position to post this himself, he asked me to post : it for him, but to leave his name out. So here it comes: : : CView has quite a number of bugs. The one you mention is perhaps the most : A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.) Thanks! ";-1;0 "From: acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: Macalester College Lines: 100 In article , bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It That's okay: it's what all the rest of them who come on here say... > makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, > lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he > writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, > in the process he became a Christian himself. This isn't the guy who was a lawyer was he? Could you give more info on this guy (never mind- I'm sure there will be PLENTY of responses to this post, and it will appear there) > The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether > Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a > different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what > others have to say. This is true. Make sure it is true for ALL cases. > The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a Why not both? ;) > modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. > Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would > die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? Why not die for a lie? If you were poverty stricken and alunatic, sounds perfecetly reasoable to me. As to whether the societal dregs he had for followers would be able to tell if he was a liar or not, not necessarily. Even if he died for what he believed in, this still makes him completely selfish. Like us all. So what's the difference. People > gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing > someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did > heal people. There is no historical proof of this (see earlier threads). Besides, he (or at least his name), have been the cause of enough deaths to make up for whatever healing he gave. > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn > to someone who was crazy. SIEG HEIL!! >Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example > anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see > this right away. > Who is David Koresh? I am curious. Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the > real thing. How does this follow? Your definition of lunatic (and ""disproof"" thereof seem rather... uhhh.. SHAKY) > Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in > the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal > and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I > write I will use it. Good idea. > I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It > is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Naturally, those or not TRUE Christians, right? ;) > Rather I think it > should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's > sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the > same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives > over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a > real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But > just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes > time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. > It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in > a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this > time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be > carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for > ourselves. Someone else handle this, I don't know if it's worth it... *sigh* ******************************************************************************** * Adam John Cooper ""Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings * * who thought themselves good simply because * * acooper@macalstr.edu they had no claws."" * ******************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () Subject: Re: The Evidence Organization: Santa Cruz Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu In article <15177@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >In article <113567@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes: >> In article cjk@netcom.com writes: ># #If homosexuals did keep themselves in the privacy of their own home, this ># #wouldn't be a problem. However, there are various 'cliques' (sp?) that ># #don't. They want to present the argument that it is just as moral and ># #right as heterosexuality. ># ># You know, I'm offended by newspapers publicly announcing weddings. ># Heterosexuals should keep their nutpials out of the public eyes. They ># should be banned from wearing wedding rings. From having legal recognition ># of marriage. ># ># Anything that's public and sexual don't mix. > >The difference, of course, is that we are right, and you are wrong. >If you are a minority that wants freedom, it helps to not be >obnoxious about it. It does not surprise me that as groups like TRANSLATION- you minorities stay in predesignated areas. We the majority are 'right', anything you do is 'wrong', since might makes right, and the majority always rules. >Queer Nation become increasingly belligerent in their public >demonstrations, that violence against homosexuals rises. Anything >that reminds the crazies who like to beat up homosexuals of their >presence is going to aggravate things. Oh- crime prevention at its best. Well let's extrapolate this, maybe if you didn't display all of your private property, then those nasty theifs wouldn't go after it. And don't carry any money, that way those muggers won't bother you. > >And you still don't realize that either way it is, says that homosexuals >are very dangerous to children. > ># ># So tell me---what's immoral about homosexuality? > >The promiscuity and fetishism that characterizes it. The sexual >predatory component that glorifies the pursuit of ""candy-ass"" and >""hairless cocks"" in the words of Le JoJo, the typical homosexual. Oh I did not know that Le JoJo is a typical homosexual. Stop making statements about something you know nothing about, that is gay people. You make your sweeping generalizations with no grounding in reality. What I hope is not true- That you are a typical heterosexual. Anyone want to comment on this? And if you are typical then I can start extrapolating a lot of interesting conjectures about heterosexuals. >-- ";18;1 "From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Toyota wagons Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 9 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu Has anybody noticed that Toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible ugly station wagons? Tercels, Corollas, Camrys. Have their designers no aesthetic sense at all? -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ ";-1;0 "From: dxf12@po.cwru.edu (Douglas Fowler) Subject: Giving ""spiritual gifts"" Reply-To: dxf12@po.cwru.edu (Douglas Fowler) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 20 I just thought I'd share a nice experience before my exam today. I was walking down the streets on our campus, and a beggar came up and asked me for any spare change I might have. I had a dollar or so that I gave her, and - not wanting to give away all my money to strangers (I generally give a dollar as that will buy a little food at McDonalds or something) - I offered her some ""spiritual gifts,"" as I called them, rather than gifts of money. I talked of how great I felt that God had made such a pretty day, and how nice it was to give to people - she then said she was getting married soon. She talked about how she and her husband had very little (they may not have even had a house, for all I know), but that they felt a very special love in the Lord, an unselfish kind of caring. It warmed my heart to know that 2 people can have so little monetarily, and realize that spiritually they are indeed very rich. A good lesson for all of us who say we want more, more, more; what we really need cannot be counted, or sold, or bought. -- Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu Heaven is a great big hug that lasts forever ""And when that One Great Scorer comes to mark against your name; He writes, not whether you've won or lost, but how you played the game"" --Grantland Rice ";17;1 "From: Chris W. Johnson Subject: Re: New DC-x gif Organization: University of Texas at Austin Computation Center Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 19:42:41 GMT In article Andy Cohen, Cohen@ssdgwy.mdc.com writes: > I just uploaded ""DCXart2.GIF"" to bongo.cc.utexas.edu...after Chris Johnson > moves it, it'll probably be in pub/delta-clipper. Thanks again Andy. The image is in pub/delta-clipper now. The name has been changed to ""dcx-artists-concept.gif"" in the spirit of verboseness. :-) ----Chris Chris W. Johnson Internet: chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu UUCP: {husc6|uunet}!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!chrisj CompuServe: >INTERNET:chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu AppleLink: chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu@internet# ...wishing the Delta Clipper team success in the upcoming DC-X flight tests. ";2;1 "From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis) Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 4/5 Summary: useful information about the X Window System Article-I.D.: visual.C52Ep6.97p Expires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address) Organization: VISUAL, Inc. Lines: 968 Archive-name: x-faq/part4 Last-modified: 1993/04/04 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 80)! Where can I get an X-based plotting program? These usually are available from uucp sites such as uunet or other sites as marked; please consult the archie server to find more recent versions. gnuplot X (xplot), PostScript and a bunch of other drivers. export.lcs.mit.edu [and elsewhere]:contrib/gnuplot3.1.tar.Z gl_plot X output only [?] comp.sources.unix/volume18 graph+ yallara.cs.rmit.oz.au:/pub/graph+.tar.Z [131.170.24.42] comp.sources.unix/volume8 pdraw,drawplot 2D and 3D X,PS scam.berkeley.edu:/src/local/3dplot.tar.Z [128.32.138.1] scam.berkeley.edu:/src/local/contour.tar.Z [128.32.138.1] scam.berkeley.edu:/src/local/drawplot.tar.Z [128.32.138.1] uunet:~ftp/contrib/drawplot.tar.Z xgraph plot, zoom. Outputs PS or HPGL. shambhala.berkeley.edu:/pub/xgraph-11.tar.Z [128.32.132.54] sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de:X11/contrib/xgraph-11.tar.Z [132.230.1.1] nisc.jvnc.net:pub/xgraph-11.tar.Z [128.121.50.7] comp.sources.x/volume3 or many other sites ACE/gr (formerly xvgr and xmgr) XY plotting tools ftp.ccalmr.ogi.edu [129.95.72.34] XView version: /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xvgr-2.09.tar.Z Motif version: /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xmgr-2.09.tar.Z [mirrored on export in /contrib/acegr] XGobi An interactive dynamic scatter-plotting tool from Bellcore lib.stat.cmu.edu: general/xgobi* [log in as statlib with your email as the password; or send email to statlib@lib.stat.cmu.edu containing the one-line message ""send xgobi from general""] Information from: Debby Swayne, dfs@bellcore.com. Robot a scientific XView-based graph plotting and data analysis tool ftp.astro.psu.edu:pub/astrod/robotx0.46.tar.Z [128.118.147.28] plotmtv a multi-purpose 2D/3D plotter tanqueray.berkeley.edu:/pub/Plotmtv1.3.1.tar.Z [2/91. Thanks in part to: emv@ox.com (Ed Vielmetti); geoff@Veritas.COM (Geoffrey Leach); Paul A. Scowen (uk1@spacsun.rice.edu); black@beno.CSS.GOV (Mike Black)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 81) Where can I get an X-based spreadsheet? A version of ""sc"" for X and which supports Lotus files is available from vernam.cs.uwm.edu in xspread2.0.tar.Z. It also includes graphing functions. Information: soft-eng@cs.uwm.edu. The GNU package OLEO is available in prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/oleo-1.2.2.tar.Z; it can generate PostScript renditions of spreadsheets. Also: Several of the below are part of integrated office-productivity tools which may also include word-processing, email, conferencing, image processing, and drawing/painting, among other features. Vendor Product Contact Information ------ ------- ------------------- Access Technology 20/20 508-655-9191 Informix WingZ 800-331-1763 Quality Software Products Q-Calc/eXclaim 800-628-3999 (CA:213-410-0303) Unipress Q-Calc 201-985-8000 Uniplex Uniplex 214-717-0068, 800-356-8063 Digital DECdecision 1-800-DIGITAL Applix Aster*x 508-870-0300, 1-800-8APPLIX. AIS XESS 919-942-7801, info@ais.com BBN Software Products BBN/Slate 617-873-5000 slate-offer@bbn.com Elsid Software Systems Ripcam 613-228-9468 SAS by the SAS Institute now has a spreadsheet module; the X version is available on the current popular RISC platforms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 82) Where can I get X-based project-management software? Vendor Product Contact Information ------ ------- ------------------- Productivity Solutions Ultra Planner 617-237-1600 Quality Software Products MasterPlan Version, 310-410-0303 sales@qsp.com Digital Tools, Inc. AutoPLAN 408-366-6920, 800-755-0065 NASA COMPASS 404-542-3265, service@cossack.cosmic.uga.edu GEC-Marconi Software Systems GECOMO Plus 703-648-1551 GEC-Marconi Software Systems SIZE Plus 703-648-1551 TEI, Inc VUE 408-985-7100 Mantix Cascade 703-506-8833 Advanced Management Solutions Schedule Publisher 800-397-6829 Auburn University ?? ?? [thanks to Pete Phillips (pete@egh-qc.co.uk); 7/92] [thanks to Atul Chhabra (atul@nynexst.com); 10/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 83) Where can I get an X-based PostScript previewer? Ghostscript is distributed by the Free Software Foundation (617-876-3296) and includes a PostScript interpreter and a library of graphics primitives. Version 2.5.2 is now available; the major site is prep.ai.mit.edu. [11/92] GSPreview (by the Computing Laboratory of the University of Kent at Canterbury) is an X user interface (WCL-based) to the Ghostscript 2.4[.1] interpreter [5/92]. The source is available for anonymous ftp from export.lcs.mit.edu as gspreview.2.0.tar.Z. Ghostview (by Tim Theisen, tim@cs.wisc.edu) is full-function user interface for GhostScript. Check ftp.cs.wisc.edu or prep.ai.mit.edu for /pub/ghostview-1.4.1.tar.Z [1/93]. There are also several executables available on ftp.cs.wisc.edu:/pub/X/ghostview-exe for various architectures. Also: ScriptWorks is Harlequin's software package for previewing and printing PostScript(R) descriptions of text and graphics images; previewers for X are available. For information call +44-223-872522 or send email to scriptworks-request@harlqn.co.uk. Image Network's Xps supports the full PostScript language and renders in color, grayscale, or monochrome. Fonts displayed are anti-aliased. Info: Image Network, +1 415 967 0542. Digital's dxpsview runs on UWS 2.1 and 2.2. Sun's pageview runs with the X11/NeWS server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 84) Where can I get an X-based GKS package? The latest freely-available XGKS can be obtained from xgks-request@unidata.ucar.edu; this is a 2c implementation derived from the X11R4 contrib XGKS from IBM and the University of Illinois. The release is on unidata.ucar.edu [128.117.140.3] as pub/xgks.tar.Z. [12/90] In addition, Grafpak-GKS is available from Advanced Technology Center (714-583-9119). GKSUL is available from gks@ulowell.edu (ULowell CS department). It is a 2b implementation which includes drivers for a variety of devices. It can be passed an X window ID to use. The package includes both C and Fortran bindings. [11/90; from dsrand@mitre.org and from stew@hanauma.stanford.edu] An XgksWidget is produced by Neil Bowers (neilb@leeds.dcs; neilb@dcs.leeds.ac.uk); the latest [10/91] conforms with the new version of XGKS (2.4). It is available on export in contrib/xgks-widget.tar.Z. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 85) Where can I get an X-based PEX package? The first official release of PEX is with X11R5; fix-22 brings the Sample Implementation server to version 5.1. The final PEX 5.1 Protocol specification is now available via anonymous ftp to export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12), in the directory /pub/DOCS/PEX/. Changes made from the Public Review draft are listed in the file ""5.1P_changes"" in that directory. [9/92] The final PEXlib 5.1 document is on export in pub/DOCS/PEXlib. [11/92] There is now available from the University of Illinois an implementation of the PEX 4.0 specification called UIPEX. It contains a ""near- complete"" implementation of PHiGS and PHiGS PLUS. The file pub/uipex/uipex.tar.Z is on a.cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1); the porting platform was an RT running 4.3. Questions and comments can to go uipex@cs.uiuc.edu. In addition, the PEXt toolkit by Rich Thomson (rthomson@dsd.es.com) is available on export as PEXt.tar.Z; it includes a PEX widget making it easier to include PEX in Xt-based programs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 86) Where can I get an X-based TeX or DVI previewer? The xtex previewer for TeX files is available from a number of archive sites, including uunet; the current version is usually on ftp.cs.colorado.edu (128.138.204.31) in SeeTeX-2.18.5.tar.Z; pre-converted fonts are also on that machine. The distribution all includes ""mftobdf"" which converts PK, GF, and PXL fonts to BDF format, where they can then be compiled for use by your local X server. The xdvi dvi-previewer is fairly comprehensive and easy to use. It is also available from a number of sites, including uunet and export.lcs.mit.edu; current version is patchlevel 16 [12/92]. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 87) Where can I get an X-based troff previewer? X11R4 has two previewers for device-independent troff: the supported client xditview, and the contributed-but-well-maintained xtroff. An earlier version of xtroff also appeared on the R3 contributed source. xditview is also in the R5 distribution. In addition, the xman client can be used to preview troff documents which use the -man macros (i.e. man pages). If psroff is used its output can be viewed with a PostScript previewer. In addition: xproof, an X previewer for ditroff has been contributed by Marvin Solomon (solomon@cs.wisc.edu); version 3.5 is available on export in contrib/xproof*. [8/90] Elan Computer Group (CA: 415-964-2200) produces eroff, a modified troff implementation, and Elan/Express, an X11 eroff previewer. SoftQuad (416-963-8337; USA only 800-387-2777, mail@sq.uu.net or mail@sq.com) offers SoftQuad Publishing Software, including a substantially- rewritten troff formatter, a better intermediate language with backwards compatibility, and an X11[R3,R4] previewer. (This is the package adopted by AT&T's own MIS department, and used in and re-sold by many parts of AT&T). [information from Ian Darwin, SoftQuad (ian@sq.com) 3/90] Image Network (1-800-TOXROFF; CA: 415-967-0542) offers the Xroff package, which includes a fine modified troff implementation and a set of X11-based page previewers. (This is the package OEM'ed by several hardware vendors.) [mostly courtesy moraes@cs.toronto.edu (Mark Moraes)] [2/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 88)! Where can I get a WYSIWYG interface builder? A new release of the DIRT interface builder by Richard Hesketh works with X11R5 and includes some support for the Motif widget set. From the README: This builder allows the interactive creation and rapid prototyping of X user interfaces using the X Toolkit and a number of Widget Sets. Dirt generates ""Wc - Widget Creation"" resource files and this distribution also includes the Widget Creation Library (version 1.06, with the exception of the demos and Mri/Ari source code) with the kind permission of its author David E. Smyth. Check dirt.README, dirt.A2.0.tar.Z, and dirt.PS.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu. The InterViews 3.0.1 C++ toolkit contains a WYSIWIG interface builder called ibuild. ibuild generates code for an InterViews application complete with Imakefile and an X-resource file. Documentation is /pub/papers/ibuild.ps on interviews.stanford.edu (36.22.0.175). Quest Windows's (408-496-1900) ObjectViews C++ package includes an interactive building tool. Druid (Demonstrational Rapid User Interface Development) runs on SPARC machines using OSF/Motif 1.0; it is intended eventually to be a full UIMS but apparently now has only support for creating the presentation components, for which it generates C/UIL code. Info: Singh G, Kok CH, Ngan TY, ""Druid: A System for Demonstrational Rapid User Interface Development"". Proc. ACM SIGGRAPH Symp on User Interface Software and Technology (UIST'90). ACM, NY, 1990, pp:167-177. The BYO interface builder is implemented in tcl. Also: In addition, these commercial products (unsorted) are available in final or prerelease form [the * following the product name indicates that the product is known to allow the designer to specify for each widget whether a particular resource is hard-coded or written to an application defaults file, for at least one form of output]. Some are much more than user-interface tools; some are full user interface management systems; information on most is not up-to-date: Product Name Look/Feel Code Output Vendor HP Interface Motif 1.1 C(Xm) HP/Visual Edge Architect/ UIMX OPEN LOOK Express OPEN LOOK C(Xol+ helper lib) AT&T / Visual Edge UIMX 2.0 * Motif 1.1 C(Xm + helper code) Visual Edge 514-332-6430 & distributors VUIT 2.0 Motif 1.1 C/UIL[r/w] DEC (1-800-DIGITAL) X-Designer 1.1 * Motif 1.1 C(Xm); C/UIL Imperial Software Technology, Ltd (+44 734 587055) sales@ist.co.uk XFaceMaker2 (XFM2) * Motif 1.0 C;C/script (C-like procedural language);C/UIL NSL (33 1 43 36 77 50) requests@nsl.fr Builder Xcessory 2.0 * Motif 1.1 C(Xm); C/UIL[r/w] ICS Ada (617-621-0060) info@ics.com XBUILD 1.1 * Motif 1.0 C(Xm); C/UIL Nixdorf (617-864-0066) xbuild@nixdorf.com iXBUILD Motif 1.1 C(Xm); C/UIL iXOS Software karl@ixos.uucp 089/461005-69 TeleUSE 2.1 * Motif 1.1.5 C(Xm); C/UIL[r/w] Telesoft (619-457-2700) gui_info@telesoft.com ezX 3.2 Motif 1.1 C(Xm +helper lib);C/UIL;Ada Sunrise (401-847-7868) info@sunrise.com Snapix Motif C/Xm ADNT +33 1 3956 5333 OpenWindows Developers OPEN LOOK GIL [-> C/XView] Sun Guide 3.0 GIL [-> C++/XView] GIL [-> C/OLIT] GIL [-> C/PostScript for TNT] ExoCode/SXM Motif C(Xm) Expert Object ExoCode/Plus OPEN LOOK XView 708-676-5555 TAE+ Xw;Motif C(Xw,Xm); C/TCL (TAE Control Language, like UIL[needs helper library]); VAX Fortran; Ada; C++ Nasa Goddard (301) 286-6034 MOB, XSculptor Motif; OpenLook C/Xm,UIL; C/Xol Kovi 408-982-3840 PSM PM, MSW 3.0, C/UIL Lancorp Motif 1.1.2,Mac Pty Ltd. +61 3 629 4833 Fax: 629 1296 (Australia) MOTIFATION Motif 1.0|1.1.2 C(Xm) AKA EDV +49 (0) 234/33397-0 +49 (0) 234/33397-40 fax UIB Open Look/Motif C++(OI) ParcPlace +1 303-678-4626 Look for magazine reviews for more complete comparisons of meta-file formats, documentation, real ease-of-use, etc; Unix World and Unix Review often carry articles. In addition, Neuron Data (1 415 321-4488) makes Open Interface, a window-system-independent object toolkit which supports interfaces which are or resemble (supersets of) Mac, Windows, and Motif and Open Look; the package includes an interface builder. In addition, the GRAMMI builder supports the development of Ada/X applications using its own set of objects which are planned to have a Motif look. GRAMMI is written in Ada and generates Ada specs and stub bodies. (1-800-GRAMMI-1). In addition, these non-WYSIWYG but related products may help for goals of rapid prototyping of the application interface: WCL: the Widget Creation Library. Basically describes the widget hierarchy and actions in a resources file; available from fine archive servers everywhere, including devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.1.143) in pub/. Wcl provides a very thin layer over Xt without any internal tweaking. Version 2.5 is current [3/93]. WINTERP: an Xlisp-based Motif toolkit allows for interpretive programming. The copy on the R4 tape is outdated; get a copy off export or email to winterp-source%hplnpm@hplabs.hp.com. The Serpent UIMS permits the building of user-interfaces without specific knowledge of coding but with an understanding of attributes being set on a particular [Motif] widget. Beta Release 1.2 is available from ftp.sei.cmu.edu (128.237.1.13) and can be found in /pub/serpent. Serpent is also available on export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.11) in /contrib/serpent. Email questions can go to serpent@sei.cmu.edu. A commercial version of Serpent is available as ""Agora"" from ASET, 221 Woodhaven Drive, Pittsburgh, PA 15228. Garnet is a Common Lisp-based GUI toolkit. Information is available from garnet@cs.cmu.edu. MetaCard is a hypertext/Rapid Application Development environment similar to Apple/Claris Corporation's HyperCard (info@metacard.com). MetaCard is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.metacard.com, csn.org, or 128.138.213.21. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 89) Where can I find X tools callable from shell scripts? I want to have a shell script pop up menus and yes/no dialog boxes if the user is running X. Several tools in the R3 contrib/ area were developed to satisfy these needs: yorn pops up a yes/no box, xmessage displays a string, etc. There are several versions of these tools; few, if any, have made it to the R4 contrib/ area, though they may still be available on various archive sites. In addition, Richard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) has posted the xmenu package to comp.sources.x (""v08i008: xmenu"") for 1-of-n choices. [7/90] Two versions of XPrompt have been posted to comp.sources.x, the latter being an unauthorized rewrite. [R. Forsman (thoth@reef.cis.ufl.edu), 1/91] There is a version of XMenu available from comp.sources.x; it is being worked on and will likely be re-released. xp-1.1.tar.Z, xpick-1.0.tar.Z and xzap-1.0.tar.Z on export's contrib/ are tools by Gerry.Tomlinson@newcastle.ac.UK which act as X versions of the simple display and choice-making tools in K&P. [4/92] xtpanel lets the user build a panel containing interactive objects such as buttons, sliders, text fields, etc., either from the command line or using a simple scripting language. It is available for anonymous ftp from hanauma.Stanford.EDU (36.51.0.16) as pub/X/xtpanel.tar.Z and may also be found in the alt.sources archives. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 90) Where can I get an X-based debugger? xdbx, an X interface to the dbx debugger, is available via ftp from export. The current [1/91] version is 2.1 patchlevel 2. An X interface to gdb called xxgdb is more like xdbx 2.1.2. It is part of comp.sources.x volume 11 [2/91]; xxgdb-1.06.tar.Z is on export. mxgdb is a Motif interface to gdb by Jim Tsillas (jtsillas@bubba.ma30.bull.com); version 1.1.5 was released 1/93. UPS is a source-level debugger which runs under the X11 and SunView window systems on Sun and DEC platforms. It is available from export (18.24.0.11) as contrib/ups-2.45.tar.Z (also ups-2.45-to-2.45.2.patch.Z) and unix.hensa.ac.uk (129.12.21.7) in /pub/misc/unix/ups (or try mail to archive@unix.hensa.ac.uk). [10/92] Unofficial fixes by Rod Armstrong (rod@sj.ate.slb.com) are on unix.hensa.ac.uk in /misc/unix/ups/contrib/rod@sj.ate.slb.com. Also: MIPS produces a highly-customizable (WCL-based) Visual Debugger. You should be able to use Sun's dbxtool with its X11/NeWS server. The CodeCenter (617-498-3000) source-level debugger, available on most major platforms, includes an X-based interface. AT&T offers the eXamine Graphical Interface, an X11 interface to dbx and C++ dbx for Sun3 and Sun4 and sdb and sdb++ for 386 and 3B2 platforms. Call 1-508-960-1997 or contact examine@mvuxi.att.com for more information. Solbourne (+1 303-678-4626) offers PDB, its X-based debugger for C, C++ and Fortran. PDB uses the OI toolkit and runs in either Open Look or Motif mode. SCO (info@sco.com) offers dbXtra as part of several development systems. Lucid's Energize Programming System, a tightly integrated development environment for C and C++ programs, incorporates a graphical user interface on top of an extended version of gdb. Info: lucid-info@lucid.com, or (800) 223-9322. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 91)! How can I ""tee"" an X program identically to several displays? There are several protocol multiplexer tools which provide for the simultaneous display of X clients on any number of machines. XMX (an X Protocol Multiplexor) is available from wilma.cs.brown.edu (128.148.33.66) as pub/xmx.tar.Z It works independently of the server and does not affect the application being shared; it was developed for use in the electronic classroom. XTV is a conference program which can be used to duplicate the ""chalkboard"" on several displays. Release 1 is available on the X11R5 contrib tapes; a more recent version is on ftp.cs.odu.edu as pub/wahab/XTV.r2.tar.Z. SHX from Michael Altenhofen of Digital Equipment GmbH CEC Karlsruhe also does this; it is a ""WYSIWIS"" (What You See Is What I See) package in the context of a computer-based learning/training tool to provide online help from remote tutors but is also useful for general window sharing. Information: shX@nestvx.enet.dec.com. SHX can be found on export and gatekeeper.dec.com:/pub/X11/contrib/shX.tar.Z, crl.dec.com:/pub/X11/contrib/shX.tar.Z Modifications to SHX for color mapping and private color allocation by Mark J. Handley (M.Handley@cs.ucl.ac.uk) are on cs.ucl.ac.uk in car/shX.car.tar.Z. XTrap is implemented as a server/library extension and can be used to record and then replay an x session. It is available as: gatekeeper.dec.com pub/X11/contrib/XTrap_v31.tar.Z export.lcs.mit.edu contrib/XTrap_v31.tar.Z wscrawl can be used as a ""multi-person paint program"". It's available on sax.stanford.edu as wscrawl.shar.Z. Shdr implements a simple shared whiteboard, without a chalk-passing mechanism. It's available on parcftp.xerox.com as pub/europarc/shdr.tar.Z. SketchPad 1.0 (3/93) is a distributed interactive graphical editor particularly designed for sketching. Sources have been posted to alt.sources and are available from ftp.igd.fhg.de (192.44.32.1) in ~ftp/incoming/sketchpad. The NESTOR project is described in ""Upgrading A Window System For Tutoring Functions"", Michael Altenhofen et al., the proceedings of the EXUG Conference 11/90. Also of use: Hewlett-Packard Co. has a commercial product, ""HP SharedX"" which works under HP-UX currently on their 300, 400, and 700 series workstations and their HP 700/RX X Stations. Machines receiving shared windows can be any X server. HP SharedX consists of a server extensions and a Motif based user interface process. Contact your local HP sales rep. for more information. IBM offers a commercial product. Sun offers multi-user confering software called ShowMe. InSoft (Mechanicsburg, PA, USA) offers multi-user confering software called Communique. [Thanks in part to scott@spectra.com (Tim Scott), 5/91, and to Peter Cigehn (peter@lulea.trab.se), 8/92 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 92) TOPIC: BUILDING THE X DISTRIBUTION [topic needs updating to R5] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 93) What's a good source of information on configuring the X build? This FAQ includes information on a number of ""gotchas"" that can bite you on particular system. However, the best source of general information on building the X11 release is found in the Release Notes. The file is bundled separately from the rest of the release, so if it's become separated from your sources you can FTP another copy separately: the file RELNOTES.[ms,PS,TXT] at the top of the distribution. The file RELNOTES is also available from the xstuff mail server. In addition, O'Reilly & Associates's Volume 8 on X Administration includes information on configuring and building X. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 94) Why doesn't my Sun with a cg6 work with R5? Apparently gcc is the problem; it seems to produce fine code for all Sun displays except for the cgsix. The new sunGX.o distributed with fix-07 may fix the problem (note: not known to work on Solaris). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 95) Why doesn't my Sun with SunOS 4.1 know about _dlsym, etc.? If you get errors with _dlsym _dlopen _dlclose undefined, link with libdl.a. Add ""-ldl"" to your and eventually your site.def. You may want to surround it with ""-Bstatic -ldl -Bdynamic"" if you add it to the EXTRA_LIBRARIES variable, since ""syslibs"" get added after EXTRA_LIBRARIES on the eventual compilation command; otherwise you may not have a shared libdl. (Or compile the stubs shared.) [thanks to Joe Backo (joe.backo@East.Sun.COM), 12/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 96) What is this strange problem building X clients on SunOS 4.1.2? In SunOS 4.1.2 Sun fixed a shared-library bug in ld which conflicts with the way X11R4 builds the shared Xmu library, causing these symbols to be undefined when building some X11 clients: _get_wmShellWidgetClass _get_applicationShellWidgetClass Compiling ""-Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic"" appears to work. To solve the problem if you are using OpenWindows 3.0 (X11R4-based Xt), please contact your local Sun office and request the following patches: Patch i.d. Description 100512-02 4.1.x OpenWindows 3.0 libXt Jumbo patch 100573-03 4.1.x OpenWindows 3.0 undefined symbols when using shared libXmu [Greg Earle, earle@Sun.COM; 7/92] A source patch for use with the MIT X11R4 libraries was developed by Conrad Kimball (cek@sdc.boeing.com); it retrofits into R4 some fixes made in R5 to get around this problem. The patch is on export in [1/93] contrib/X11R4_sunos4.1.2_patch_version3.Z ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 97) Why can't gcc compile X11R4 on my SPARC? I used gcc to compile the whole distribution, but I get several segmentation faults when running X. Note first that gcc on RISC machines does not necessarily result in any performance increase; it certainly is not as noticeable as it is on the 680x0 or VAX platforms. Here is the problem: gcc and cc use incompatible methods of passing structures as arguments and returning them as function values, so when gcc-compiled parts of X are linked with Sun-supplied functions that pass or return structs, run-time errors occur. Affected programs include rgb and the server. This is from the GCC manual: On the Sparc, GNU CC uses an incompatible calling convention for structures. It passes them by including their contents in the argument list, whereas the standard compiler passes them effectively by reference. This really ought to be fixed, but such calling conventions are not yet supported in GNU CC, so it isn't straightforward to fix it. The convention for structure returning is also incompatible, and `-fpcc-struct-return' does not help. You can duck the problem either by using cc throughout or by using it for just the routines which cause incompatibilities; the problem cannot be solved with compilation flags. Files which need to be compiled using cc include: server/os/4.2bsd/oscolor.c rgb/rgb.c In addition, several of the ""inet_"" functions use structs as args or return values: clients/xhost/xhost.c clients/xauth/gethost.c. Calls to inet_addr in /lib/CLX/socket.c and lib/X/XConnDis.c are possibly harmless as they don't involve structs. [collected by bashford@scripps.edu (Don Bashford); 8/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 98) What are these I/O errors running X built with gcc? When I try to run xinit or the Xsun server I get the error ""Getting interface configuration: Operation not supported on socket. Fatal server bug! no screens found."" Running the gcc fixincludes script apparently didn't work. You can do this simple test: #include SIOCGIFCONF Run that through cc -E and gcc -E. The last line of output is the piece of interest; it should be identical (modulo irrelevant differences like whitespace). If the gcc version has 'x' where the cc version has 'i', your fixincludes run didn't work for some reason or other; go back to your gcc sources and run `fixincludes`; then rebuild the X distribution. If they are identical, try running a make clean in mit/server and rebuilding, just to make sure everything gets compiled with the proper include files. [courtesy der Mouse, mouse@LARRY.MCRCIM.MCGILL.EDU; 9/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 99) What are these problems compiling X11R4 on the older Sun3? In mit/server/ddx/sun/sunCG3C.c, we have found ""missing"" defines for CG3AC_MONOLEN, CG3BC_MONOLEN, CG3AC_ENBLEN, CG3BC_ENBLEN. What should these be? The R4 Errata list distributed after X11R4 mentions that you can add these lines to the file on older SunOS versions (e.g. 3.5) to compile: #define CG3AC_MONOLEN (128*1024) #define CG3AC_ENBLEN CG3AC_MONOLEN #define CG3BC_MONOLEN CG3AC_MONOLEN #define CG3BC_ENBLEN CG3AC_MONOLEN However, the Sun3 should not actually ever have the CG3 device, and so references to it can be removed from mit/server/ddx/sun/sunInit.c and the Imakefile. [11/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 100) What are these problems compiling the X server on SunOS 4.1.1? The file isn't being found. Sun omitted from SunOS 4.1.1. Remove the #include from sunCG6C.c and replace it with the line #define CG6_VADDR_COLOR 0x70016000 The file has changed from earlier versions of SunOS and should not be copied from another distribution. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 101) What are these problems using R4 shared libraries on SunOS 4? All of the executables that I try to run have the following results: ld.so: libXmu.so.4: not found or even: ld.so: call to undefined procedure __GetHostname from 0xf776a96c If you are building with shared libraries on a Sun, remember that you need to run ""ldconfig"" as root after installing the shared libraries (if you've installed X on a file-server, run it on the server's clients, too). While building and installing the distribution, you need to be careful to avoid linking against any existing X shared libraries you might have (e.g. those distributed with OpenWindows). You should make sure you do not have LD_LIBRARY_PATH set in your environment during the build or the installation. If you are going to keep xterm and xload as setuid programs, please note that the shared libraries must be installed in /usr/lib, /usr/local/lib, or /usr/5lib for these programs to work (or else those programs must be linked statically). [courtesy MIT X Consortium] Note also that the program mkfontdir is run as part of the build; it attempts, however, to use the shared libraries before they have been installed. You can avoid the errors by building mkfontdir statically (pass -Bstatic to most C compilers). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 102) Can OLIT programs run with R5 Xt? (_XtQString undefined) This is a bug in the OLIT. _XtQString was an external symbol that existed in X11R4 (upon which OW 3.0's libXt is based). It wasn't documented and was removed in X11R5 (MIT's guarantee of upward compatibility between the R4 and R5 libraries only applied to the documented interface). A workaround is to temporarily set your LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the X11R4 or OpenWindows Xt library that you linked the program against. [10/92; from Barry Margolin (barmar@think.com); 3/93 from Jeff Francis (jpf@heliocentric.com)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 103) How do I get around the SunOS 4.1 security hole? There is a security problem with certain R4 clients (xterm and xload) running under SunOS 4.1 that have been installed setuid root and are using shared libraries; to avoid the problem, do one of these: 1) make the program non-setuid. You should consult your system administrator concerning protection of resources (e.g. ptys and /dev/kmem) used by these programs, to make sure that you do not create additional security problems at your site. 2) relink the programs statically (using -Bstatic). 3) install the libraries before linking and link with absolute paths to the libraries. [from rws@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Bob Scheifler), 12/90] The R5 version of xterm does this automatically by rebuilding xterm against the newly-installed libraries when xterm is being installed; this prevents an suid program from being built with libraries specified relatively. Note that this may cause an inconvenience when doing the installation from NFS-mounted disks. Xload has been rewritten to avoid the problem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 104) How do I get around the frame-buffer security hole? On many systems the frame-buffer is unsecured by default; this permits anyone who can log into your workstation to peek at your windowing session by accessing the frame-buffer directly, or, as less of a privacy issue but perhaps more annoying, to [accidentally] start up a second X session on your console display. Check the man page for fbtab(5). [Thanks to Art Mulder (art@cs.ualberta.ca); 2/93.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 105) TOPIC: BUILDING X PROGRAMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 106) What is Imake? Imake is not a replacement for the make program; instead, it is a makefile-generator that takes advantages of the include-file and macro- processing capabilities of the C preprocessor cpp to generate makefiles suitable for building software on a particular system. Although it is not specific to X, the X release uses it to help solve a number of the configuration issues that arise in making such a large system widely portable. Imake has a fairly steep learning curve, in part because the process by which the system-specific configuration files, system-independent configuration files, and individual Imakefiles are melded to produce a Makefile is not obvious. There have been several different versions of imake; the R3, R4, and R5 versions are different. You can obtain information on imake from these sources: - the R4 and R5 release notes and imake man page include information on using Imake to build X - the R4 and R5 file mit/config/README also contains useful information - on the R4 tapes, contrib/doc/imake/imake.tex is Mark Moraes' R3/R4 guide to imake. - the R5 mit/doc/config/usenixws/paper.ms contains a paper by Jim Fulton on an early version of Imake - Paul Dubois (dubois@primate.wisc.edu) has written a useful explanation of how Imake works and how to use it in configuring X for non- supported systems; the document is available from ftp.primate.wisc.edu in the directory ~ftp/pub/imake-stuff; look for config-X11R4.ms (troff) and config-X11R4.ps (PostScript). Some supplemental appendices are nearby. [7/91: document version is now 1.06] These imake papers are available by email; mail a message body of ""send imake-stuff help"" to almanac@primate.wisc.edu. - see ""System Administration - Imake: Friend of Foe?"" by Dinah McNutt in the November 1991 issue of SunExpert. - German readers should expect in June 1992 an article ""Das Meta-Make / I make, you make / Schwerelos"" by Rainer Klute in ""iX Multiuser-Multitasking-Magazin"", directed at application programmers needing to write Imakefiles. An English-language derivative of this article is in The X Journal, issue 2:1. - The O'Reilly X Resource issue #2 contains Paul Davey's article on demystifying Imake. - Alain Brossard's working document full of tips on Imake is in sasun1.epfl.ch:pub/imakefile.1.Z. [1/91;12/91;5/92;8/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 107) Where can I get imake? Versions are distributed with the R4 and R5 releases. An earlier version is distributed with the X11R3 release; some third-party toolkits redistribute versions of imake along with their own implementations of the template and configuration files. There are no real standards for such configuration files, although most *current* contributed software expects the templates distributed with X11R5. export contains the R5 distribution unpacked, so you can pick up imake without picking up the entire distribution. A stand-alone version of Imake, but one stemming from X11R5, is in ftp.germany.eu.net:pub/X11/misc/imake/imake-pure.tar.Z (192.76.144.75). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 108) I have a program with an Imakefile but no Makefile. What to do? If you have R4 or R5 installed on your system, run ""xmkmf"". This is a script which runs imake for you with the correct arguments. The output is a Makefile configured for your system and based on the Imakefile. Then run make, which will use that new Makefile to compile the program. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 109) Why can't I link to the Xlib shape routines? When I try to compile certain programs, I get the following link error: Undefined: _XShapeQueryExtension _XShapeCombineMask These routines are actually part of the Shape Extension to X (SHAPE) which was introduced in the MIT X11R4 distribution and allows non-rectangular windows. Like the other sample server extensions, the shape extension will only run on a server which supports it. Pre-X11R4 servers, as well as many vendor-supplied servers, do not support the shape extension, in which case they will display rectangular windows anyway. In order to use the shape extension, you must link to the library libXext.a. In the X11R4 distribution, this library and the associated includes will be in the mit/extensions directory. If you do not have these files, do not despair: many freeware programs which use the shape extension can also be compiled without it by removing the -DSHAPE define from the Makefile; you can probably do this and compile successfully against your older vendor-supplied X libraries. [from John B. Melby, melby%yk.fujitsu.co.jp@uunet.uu.net, 3/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 110) What are these problems with ""_XtInherit not found"" on the Sun? When I run a X program that I wrote on a SunOS 4.0.3 or 4.1 machine I get the error ""ld.so: symbol not found _XtInherit"". What you are seeing is a side-effect of a kludge in the R4 libXt.a to get Sun shared libraries working. Apparently, you can't share a function that is both called and compared, as _XtInherit is. This was handled by putting _XtInherit in the same file as a function that is always used, thereby guaranteeing that it would be loaded -- that is, in Initialize.c, where XtToolkitInitialize() and XtInitialize() reside. These routines would normally be called. You are probably seeing this error because your program is not a normal Xt-based program and does not call XtToolkitInitialize() anywhere. 1) it may be a program that uses Xt functions but never opens a connection to the X server. [OSF/Motif's 1.1.0 UIL had this problem; it called XtMalloc() and other Xt functions.] The solution is to add the call to your program; the function does not have to be executed, just linked in. 2) alternatively, your program doesn't need any Xt functions and is correct in not calling XtToolkitInitialize() -- it may be an Xlib or XView program. In this case, you can remove -lXt from your link command. It should not be necessary to link the shared libraries statically, although this will certainly solve the problem. [from Jordan Hayes (now jordan@MooreNet.COM) and Danny Backx (db@sunbim.be); 11/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 111) Why can't I compile my R3 Xaw contrib programs under the new X? I have a program that worked well under X11R3. When I try to link it under the current version of X, I get this message: Undefined: _XtScrollBarSetThumb _XtTextSetInsertionPoint _XtTextReplace There were several name changes in the Athena widget set (in addition to the header files moving into ); these are mentioned in the R4 release notes. In this case, these functions are not really Xt functions but are part of the Xaw text widget and so have been renamed from Xt* to Xaw*. [10/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 112) TOPIC: PROGRAMMING PROBLEMS AND PUZZLES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 113) Why doesn't my program get the keystrokes I select for (sic)? The window manager controls how the input focus is transferred from one window to another. In order to get keystrokes, your program must ask the window manager for the input focus. To do this, you must set up what are called ""hints"" for the window manager. If your applications is Xlib-based, you can use something like the following: XWMHints wmhints; ... wmhints.flags = InputHint; wmhints.input = True; XSetWMHints(dpy, window, &wmhints) If your application is based on the Xt Intrinsics, you can set the XtNinput resource to be True (as you probably want to in any case); if you don't have source, you can start up the application with the resource '*input:True'. Certain window managers, notably dxwm and olwm, are very picky about having this done. If you are using Sun's OpenWindows olwm, you can also add this resource to your defaults file to use clients that aren't ICCCM-compliant. OpenWindows.FocusLenience: true [mostly courtesy Dave Lemke of NCD and Stuart Marks of Sun] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 114) How do I figure out what window manager is running? You can't reliably tell; whatever mechanism you could use could be spoofed in any case. For most cases, you shouldn't care which window manager is running, so long as you do things in an ICCCM-conformant manner. There are some cases in which particular window managers are known to do things wrong; checking for particular hints placed on the window by the window manager so that you can sidestep the problem may be appropriate in these cases. Alternatively, it may be appropriate to determine which window manager is running in order to take advantage of specific *added* features (such as olwm's push-pin menus) in order to give your program *added* functionality. Beware of usurping the window manager's functions by providing that functionality even when it is missing; this surely leads to future compatibility problems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 115) Is there a skeleton X program available? There is no general framework such as the TransSkel program for the Macintosh which handles lots of the odds and ends and overhead of development under a window system and which can be used as a platform for additional development. In X, the problem is typically solved by using an interactive application builder tool or by using cut&paste on existing X applications. Good applications which you might look to manipulate when you want to ""test just this one little thing"" include contrib/clients/xskel, a simple R4 program that puts up a window and allows sketching in it and offers a starting point for quick hacks, the Xaw examples in the examples/ directory in the R3 and R4 distributions, and the Xlib ""Hello World"" example in the R3 doc/HelloWorld and R4 doc/tutorials/HelloWorld; an updated version of this program which uses R4 Xlib calls and current ICCCM conventions was posted in 2/90 to comp.windows.x by Glenn Widener of Tektronix. [3/90] In addition, a sample Xt program (for Xaw or Xm) by Rainer Klute showing how to open multiple displays and how to catch a broken display connection is available on export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib/mdisp.tar.Z. [4/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 116) Why does XtGetValues not work for me (sic)? The XtGetValues interface for retrieving resources from a widget is sensitive to the type of variable. Your code may be doing something like this: { Arg args[3]; int i; int sensitive; /* oops; wrong data type */ i=0; XtSetArg (args[i], XtNsensitive, &sensitive); i++; XtGetValues(widget, args, i ); ... } But XtNsensitive is a Boolean, which on most machines is a single byte; declaring the variable ""sensitive"" as Boolean works properly. This problem comes up often when using particular toolkits that redefine the Xt types Dimension and Position; code that assumes they are int will have similar problems if those types are actually short. In general: you are safe if you use the actual type of the resource, as it appears in the widget's man page. [11/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 117) Why don't XtConfigureWidget/XtResizeWidget/XtMoveWidget work? You're probably trying to use these functions from application code. They should be used only internally to widgets; these functions are for a parent widget to change the geometry of its children. Other promising functions, XtMakeGeometryRequest() and XtMakeResizeRequest(), are also for use only by widgets, in this case by a child to request a change from its parent. The only way for your application to request a geometry change for a widget is to issue an XtSetValues call setting some of the geometry resources. Although this will result in the widget-internal functions' being called, your application code must use the standard XtSetValues interface or risk the widgets' data becoming corrupted. [The Xlib calls XMoveWindow() and XResizeWindow() should similarly be avoided; they shouldn't be used to change XtNx, XtNy, XtNwidth, or XtNheight.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 118) Why isn't there an XtReparentWidget call like XReparentWindow? Although there are various details of the current implementation of the Xt internals which make reparenting difficult, the major reason that no such call exists is that it remains undefined what the set of resources for the ""new"" widget should be. Resources are typically set based on the location in the instance hierarchy; what resources should change if the instance moves? What should happen to the widget's children? And by the time such semantics are defined, there would probably be little advantage over destroying the old widget and creating a new widget in the correct location with the desired resources, as setting the resources correctly is the majority of work in creating a new widget. Note that reparenting is possible in the OI toolkit. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net ""Just the FAQs, ma'am."" -- Joe Friday -- David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc. day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net ";-1;0 "From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu Subject: Re: How about a crash program in basic immunological research? Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 22 In article <221@ky3b.UUCP>, km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes: > As a physician, I almost never get sick: usually, when something horrendous > is going around, I either don't get it at all or get a very mild case. > When I do get really sick, it is always something unusual. > > This was not the situation when I was in medical school, particularly on > pediatrics.... Pediatrics for me was three solid > months of illness, and I had a temp of 104 when I took the final exam! > > I think what happens is that during training, and beyond, we are constantly > exposed to new things, and we have the usual reactions to them, so that later > on, when challenged with something, it is more likely a re-exposure for us, > so we deal with it well and get a mild illness. This is also commonly seen in new teachers. The first few years, they're sick a lot, but gradually seem to build up immunities to almost everything common. Come to think of it, I was about my healthiest when I was working in a pathogens lab, exposed to who-knows-what all the time. Pre-OSHA, of course. Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI ";-1;0 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: RUMOUR - Keenan signs with Rangers? Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr16.171347.784@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: > >UPI Clarinet has just relayed a ""scoop"" from the Toronto Sun >(or was that Star? I like the Star myself ...) that Iron Mike >Keenan has come to an agreement with the New York Rangers for >next season. Interestingly, this comes the day after the Times >Sports had an editorial about how the Rangers need their own >Pat Riley ... who cares about what happens after next season? > The rumour was basically everywhere in Toronto based on reports that Keenan has told both San Jose and Philadelphia that he was no longer interested in pursuing further negotiations with either team. The Ranger announcement is supposed to happen tomorrow supposedly. The Rangers have so many veterans that they had to get a coach with ""weight"" and a proven record...and whom they know Messier respects. Gerald ";-1;0 "From: caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Lines: 54 > I've just read Carol's response and I just had to get into this. I've > got some verses which are not subject to interpretation because they say ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > what they say. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Joe, just 'cause you say they aren't subject to interpretation doesn't necesarily make it so. That's *your* *interpretation* of these texts. > They are 2 Peter 1:20-21, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, and > Galatians 1:11-12. 2 Peter 1:20-21 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. The study notes in my Bible offer three possible meanings for verse 20. Apparantly it's not as clear to Charles Ryrie as it is to you. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. Galations 1:11-12 For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I receieved it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. When I read these passages, it was not immediately clear to me what every phrase meant. I had stop and think about the possible connotations of words, what the intent of the author may have been, wonder if the translator used the correct English word to convey the same meaning: I had to interpret. If you want to believe that your are not interpreting Scripture as you read, there's probably nothing I can say to change your mind. But I think it's naive to think that our culture, experiences, education, do not affect everything we read. > Also, based on the fact that Jesus is the Word incarnate and he judges > people if they follow him (see Acts 17:29-31 and John 5:21-27) and that > those who reject Jesus' teachings are judged by the very words he spoke > (see John 12:47-50), then Jesus' words are true and do not need > interpretation, nor would it be just of God to judge based on his word > if it had to be interpreted. In college, I took an entire course in Biblical interpretation. Go to any Christian bookstore, there are scores of books on interpreting and understanding Scripture. If interpretation is unnecessary, there are an awful lot of misguided Christians out there wasting a lot of time and energy on it. Carol Alvin caralv@auto-trol.com ";-1;0 "From: jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Robertson) Subject: ATI ultra pro Drivers? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 4 Does anybody know the FTP site with the latest Windows drivers for the ATI GUP? Thanks ";-1;0 "From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: Chanting of the Passion Lines: 14 Mike Rolfe writes: > If you know the Latin, one really beautiful way to hear the > Passion is its being chanted by three deacons: the Narrator > chants in the middle baritone range, Jesus chants in the bass, > and others directly quoted are handled by a high tenor. This is done in English (same music as the traditional Latin) in many Anglican parishes. I should expect that many RCC parishes would do likewise. The ST MATTHEW PASSION and ST JOHN PASSION of J S Bach are direct offshoots of this tradition Yours, James Kiefer ";-1;0 "From: mac1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) Subject: Can I have 2 printers on a PC LAN ?????????????? Summary: 2 printers Keywords: 2 printers Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 15 I have recently plunged into PC World. I have been using Amigas before. Trying to establish a network (LAN) here that could use 2 different printers. Panasonic KXP2124 for printing receipts and Okidata OL400 for letters etc. Is it at all possible in this world ? I know when using Unix etc I can specify which printer to print from. But I am not sure how PCs would handle that. If they can't then I guess I'll leave PeeeCeees for good and move on to Unix. Mubashir Cheema Sparco Communications Ph: (601) 323-5360 LaGalarie Fax:(601) 324-6433 500 Russell Street, Suite 20 email: mac1@ra.msstate.edu Starkville, MS 39759 ";5;1 "From: melewitt@cs.sandia.gov (Martin E. Lewitt) Subject: Re: Altitude adjustment Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr22.055958.2377 Organization: nCUBE, Sandia Park, NM Lines: 31 In article <4159@mdavcr.mda.ca> vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) writes: >I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities >quite frequently, on business. The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000 >feet of altitude. One of them especially is very polluted... > >Often I feel faint the first two or three days. I feel lightheaded, and >my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level. Also, it is very >dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep >away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol. > >Thing is, I still have symptoms. How can I ensure that my short trips there >(no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible? >Is there something else that I could do? I saw a Lifetime Medical Television show a few months back on travel medicine. It briefly mentioned some drugs which when started two or three days before getting to altitude could assist in acclimitazation. Unfortunately all that I can recall is that the drug stimulated breathing at night??? I don't know if that makes sense, it seems to me that the new drug which stimulates red blood cell production would be a more logical approach, erythropoiten (sp?). Alas, I didn't record the program, but wish I had, since I live at over 7000ft. and my mother gets sick when visiting. Please let me know if you get more informative responses. -- Phone: (505) 845-7561 Martin E. Lewitt My opinions are Domain: lewitt@ncube.COM P.O. Box 513 my own, not my Sandia: melewitt@cs.sandia.GOV Sandia Park, NM 87047-0513 employer's. ";-1;0 "From: re_sims@vax.cns.muskingum.edu Subject: Misc. radio and related equipment Organization: Muskingum College Lines: 112 Lots of misc and radio related items for sale! Still trying to lighten my load for moving! Motorola VHF pager, digital, no voice or readout $15 2 Capacitor checkers HP 200CD audio oscillator 5 hz to 600 Khz. 1200 feet + brand new 1/2"" hardline for tv with new connectors, this is in 5 pieces lots of Gain mobile antennas for VHF and UHF UHF *amp*, input on 75 Mhz in milliwatts and output on 450 Mhz, 30 watts out. with service manual, this came out of a Motorola mobilephone. make reasonable offer. looking for $40 + shipping or trade for? RCA tac 300 UHF dash mount 2channel w/service manual, great condition, currently on GMRS frequency 462.725 repeater and simplex with PL of 151.4 hz $100 Nobratron QR 75-2 power supply by Sorensen, w/service manual, this is a 2 amp variable power supply, I have used it at 80 vdc. weight is 45lbs $45. Motorola tone remote model #1926A, works great, with monitor button, $75 This unit is used to remote a base station with only two wires. Also have tone remote board from Mitrek Super consolette, make offer, could be used with above remote! model #TRN-6744A w/schmetics Both for $100. Motorola Handhelds, MH-10 (4) w/charger, speaker mic, leather case, currently on 34.830, w/dpl DPL decks from Motorola moxy radios very reasonable esp. if you take all, anyone offer $10 each for all or trade for? PL reeds, I have some (30 or so I think) also dpl code plugs e-mail if you need some or I will sell all cheep. Transmit tubes for GE radios, new in box. 5 DB gain UHF mobile antennas by motorola, used, sold new for $90, make reasonable offer. sell 3 for $45 + shipping Motorcycle control head and cable with frequency selector and speaker all in one, 4 channel, I believe this came from a Micom. Asking $20 + shipping channel elements for motorola micor, mitrek, motrac 3 sets of vhf micor, uhf micor, low band motrac, more Mobile microphones for GE, Motorola, and RCA reasonable offer. Motorola DC remote adaptor model #TLN-1127apr $75 I still have a few business band service manuals esp. GE and Motorola, e-mail for details. Phone restrict toll boxes (2) use quarters DTMF mobile mic GE Master Pro UHF mobile, not working, with accessories, this is a trunk mount radio. $20 + shipping 6' GE base cabinet w/19"" rack Duplexer cabinet from vhf duplexers 19"" rack base cabinet, Johnson HD satellite dish jack or arm 2 Spools multi-conductor wire, w/shield, thickness is approx 1/2"" GE Master pro mobile control heads and cables Eagle model #2 level sensor, tells how full a container is The above prices do not include shipping! Some of the above items are pickup only because of size or weight, locations is Eastern Ohio. if interested e-mail me or you can call Jim Sims sr. N4JDP (614) 439-2177 before 9 PM Eastern re_sims@vax.cns.muskingum.edu ";-1;0 "From: valo@cvtstu.cvt.stuba.cs (Valo Roman) Subject: Re: Text Recognition software availability Organization: Slovak Technical University Bratislava, Slovakia Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: sk2eu.eunet.sk ReplyTo: valo@cvtstu.cvt.stuba.cs (Valo Roman) In article , ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: |> One more time: is there any >free< OCR software out there? |> |> I ask this question periodically and haven't found anything. This is |> the last time. If I don't find anything, I'm going to write some |> myself. |> |> Post here or email me if you have any leads or suggestions, else just |> sit back and wait for me. :) |> |> ab I'm not sure if this is free or shareware, but you can try to look to wsmrsimtel20.army.mil, directory PD1: file OCR104.ZIP . From the file SIMIBM.LST : OCR104.ZIP B 93310 910424 Optical character recognition for scanners. Hope this helps. Roman Valo valo@cvt.stuba.cs Slovak Technical University Bratislava Slovakia ";1;1 "From: Marc VanHeyningen Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details Organization: Computer Science Dept, Indiana University Lines: 24 Thus said djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein): >Short summary of what Bellovin says Hellman says the NSA says: There is >a global key G, plus one key U_C for each chip C. The user can choose a >new session key K_P for each phone call P he makes. Chip C knows three >keys: G, its own U_C, and the user's K_P. The government as a whole >knows G and every U_C. Apparently a message M is encrypted as >E_G(E_{U_C}(K_P),C) , E_{K_P}(M). That's it. > >The system as described here can't possibly work. What happens when >someone plugs the above ciphertext into a receiving chip? To get M >the receiving chip needs K_P; to get K_P the receiving chip needs U_C. >The only information it can work with is C. If U_C can be computed >from C then the system is cryptographically useless and the ``key >escrow'' is bullshit. Otherwise how is a message decrypted? Given the description of the algorithm given, the only plausible explantion I can find is that K_P must be agreed to out of bandwidth in advance by the two parties; i.e. it's a standard shared symmetric key. -- Marc VanHeyningen mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu MIME & RIPEM accepted Security through Diversion: n. Theory which states that the public availability of good computer games is vital to maintaining system safety. Contrast Security through Obscurity. ";-1;0 "From: jeffp@vetmed.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke) Subject: Re: Lyme vaccine Organization: College of Veterinary Medicine WSU X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 13 kathleen richards (kilty@ucrengr) wrote: > If you have time to type it in I'd love to have the reference for that > paper! thanks! Experimental Lyme Disease in Dogs Produces Arthritis and Persistant Infection, The Journal of Infectious Diseases, March 1993, 167:651-664 -- Jeff Parke also: jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet AOL: JeffParke Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994 Pullman, WA 99164-7012 ";-1;0 "From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) Subject: Re: proof of resurection Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK. Lines: 22 In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: >following Christ. From Captialist who have polluted the enviorment in strict >obedience to the Gensis command to subdue the earth, to Nazi's who have >""justly"" punished the Jews for the killing Christ It is funny how this one little quote from Genesis is treated by certain anti-Christians as if Christians have been given a firm command to destroy the earth. You could prove almost anything by taking little quotes out of context from the Bible - it's a big book, you know. I doubt you could find a single case of a anti-ecological action taking place specifically because teh perpetrator was motivated by a Christian belief. As for the Nazis, they were motivated by German Nationalism, not by Christianity. In fact they despised Christianity as a weak pacifist religion, and were much more keen on pagan glorification of strength and warfare. They killed the Jews because they were not Germans, not because they were ""Christ-killers"" - they were just as keen on killing the other non-German ethnic minority, the Romanies or Gypsies. Matthew Huntbach ";-1;0 "From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: The Most Average Player in the NHL Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net And now, I interrupt your regularly scheduled news reading to bring you another message sponsored by the Department of Really Mundane Statistics: I passed the final individual player stats posted here the other day through a filter to average out games, goals, assists, points, and penalty minutes for the mythical average NHL pro who played in the league this season. (Why? Because it's Monday and I didn't feel like writing any REAL code...) Anyway, after I wiped out the 60-odd goalies in the list, I came up with: NHL average: 55 GP 11 G 19 A 30 Pts 69 PIM Then I passed the list through a second time to come up with the players who had the smallest percentage difference in each of the categories. Marty McInnis (NYI) 56 GP (1%) 10 G (9%) 20 A (5%) 30 Pts (0%) 24 PIM (65%) Igor Kravchuk (EDM) 55 GP (0%) 10 G (9%) 17 A (10%) 27 Pts (9%) 27 PIM (53%) These two are close in games, goals, assists, and points, but are too far off in PIM. This leaves, as the most average player in the NHL: Bobby Carpenter (WAS) 65 GP (18%) 11 G (0%) 17 A (10%) 28 Pts (6%) 63 PIM (8%) What an honor. I also passed the list through with the goalies still included. Kravchuk and Carpenter were still in the top three, but Rob DiMaio came flying up from behind to take the title: NHL average: 53 GP 10 G 17 A 27 Pts 64 PIM Igor Kravchuk (EDM) 55 GP (3%) 10 G (0%) 17 A (0%) 27 Pts (0%) 27 PIM (50%) Bobby Carpenter (WAS) 65 GP (22%) 11 G (10%) 17 A (0%) 28 Pts (3%) 63 PIM (1%) Rob DiMaio (TB) 54 GP (1%) 9 G (9%) 15 A (11%) 24 Pts (11%) 62 PIM (3%) It's all really kind of underwhelming when you think about it. -SG And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming... ";-1;0 "From: wstomv@wsinpa04.win.tue.nl (Tom Verhoeff) Subject: DeskWriter Drivers 3.1 -- How to install ? Organization: Eindhoven Univ. of Technology, The Netherlands Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: wsinpa04.win.tue.nl Keywords: HP DeskWriter, DW-3.1, System 7.1, installation I recently upgraded to System 7.1 and now I also upgraded my DeskWriter drivers from 2.2 to 3.1. I got the software from Sumex, but it is not clear to me where to install what. Can someone tell me which of the files that come with DW-3.1 go where and for what purpose? What can be left out, for instance, if you don't want to do background printing? Thanks, Tom -- INTERNET: wstomv@win.tue.nl / Eindhoven University of Technology VOICE: +31 40 47 41 25 / Dept of Mathematics & Computing Science FAX: +31 40 43 66 85 / PO Box 513, NL-5600 MB Eindhoven, Netherlands ";-1;0 "From: alleyja@yang.earlham.edu Subject: Distribution: talk Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr4.4332.33144@dosgate>, nigel.allen@canrem.com (nigel allen) writes: > Here is a press release from Handgun Control Inc. > > Sarah Brady Calls On Governor to Veto NRA Bill; Bayh Urged to > Follow Clinton's Lead > To: State Desk > Contact: Cheryl Brolin of Handgun Control Inc., 202-898-0792 > > WASHINGTON, April 2 -- In a letter today to Indiana Gov. > Evan Bayh, Sarah Brady, wife of former White House > Press Secretary James Brady and chair of Handgun Control Inc., > called on the governor to veto NRA-backed ""preemption"" legislation > (S.B. 241), which would wipe out existing local gun laws and > prohibit localities from enacting future regulations governing the > sale, possession or transfer of firearms. > ""I'm counting on Gov. Bayh to show the same kind of political > courage President Clinton showed as governor of Arkansas, when he > twice vetoed this type of special-interest legislation,"" Mrs. Brady > said, referring to Clinton's veto of NRA-backed preemption bills in > 1989 and 1991. > I knew that Cutie would sell us out. Full-blooded Democrat, he is :-) Seriously folks, if it can happen here (remember? we all got gun racks on our 4x4s), it can happen anywhere. Now to get that letter ready. `Dear Cutie, as one who didn't vote for you, I can sincerely say I am unhappy...' > -30- > -- > Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario, Canada nigel.allen@canrem.com > -- > Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario > 416-629-7000/629-7044 Those who know what's best for us Must try to save us from ourselves -- RUSH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jason Alley || The opinions expressed were given to me | | Earlham College, Richmond IN || by aliens living in my pancreas. | | AlleyJa@Yang.Earlham.Edu || The Empire never ended. | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";3;1 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Lines: 14 Actually, many of us have noted this. We have noted that the program started at least 4 years ago, that the contracts with VLSI Technology and Microtoxin were let at least 14 months ago, that production of the chips is well underway, and so forth. Nobody I know has claimed Clinton intitiated the program. But he chose to go ahead with it. Perhaps the NSA realised that *no-one* would even contemplate falling for the dual-escrow bluff while under the Bush administration and *had* to wait for a Democrat govt to con into promoting this because people *might* just believe they were honest. (Didn't work, did it? :-) ) G ";16;1 "From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) Subject: Question on Senate Bills Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com Nntp-Posting-Host: icebucket.stortek.com Organization: Storage Technology Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 49 I'm writting letters to my Congresscritters and was wondering if there is any reason(s) why I should NOT support the following Bills, other than the previous comments about S.458. Just checking before I mail the letter to make sure I don't support something that I really shouldn't. ----------------- I strongly SUPPORT the following laws currently being considered in Congress as they would either have a positive effect towards reducing crime, or re- enforce our Constitutional right under the 2nd amendment. * S. 441 (Campbell) To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a mandatory minimum sentence for the unlawful possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, a fugitive from justice, a person who is addicted to, or an unlawful user of, a controlled substance, or a transferor or receiver of a stolen firearm, to increase the general penalty for violation of Federal firearms laws, and to increase the enhanced penalties provided for the possession of a firearm in connection with a crime of violence or drug trafficking crime, and for other purposes. * S.458 (Smith) To restore the second Amendment Rights of all Americans. * S.488 (Specter) To provide Federal penalties for drive-by shootings. * S.504 (Kohl) To amend section 924 of title 18, United States Code to make it a Federal crime to steal a firearm or explosives in interstate or foreign commerce. Bill Vojak vojak@icebucket.stortek.com NRA, ILA, Colorado Firearms Coalition ----------------------------------------------------------------- Here's a story, bout a man named Brady, who took a .22 bullet in his head. Even though he can act perfectly normal, he prefers to pretend he's brain dead. Here's a story, bout a woman named Brady, who had nothing to do but sit around all day. Then her husband became a media martyr, now she wants to take all your guns away. The Brady Bunch, The Brady Bunch, This is how we got stuck with the Brady Bunch. . . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: Round Two Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 22 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 29788@serval.net.wsu.edu, bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes: > >If Good Sam got 300 bricks, delivered >first class postage to their door, at their expense, I bet they would change >their policies about mailing lists or about who can use their facilities >quickly. And if the Lord God Almighty parted the sky and make a personal appearance at their Board of Directors meeting, they would also change their policies. The odds are about equal. >I am curious as to how many bricks I will have to send before this situatiion >is cleared up to my satisfaction. I suspect about 5. We shall see. You'll be extremely lucky if you ever get one through. --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... ";7;1 "From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Deification Organization: Indiana University Lines: 14 In article HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com writes: >Aaron Bryce Cardenas writes: >After all, what does prophesy mean? Secondly, what is an Apostle? Answer: >an especial witness--one who is suppose to be a personal witness. That means >to be a true apostle, one must have Christ appear to them. Now lets see >when did the church quit claiming ......? Actually, an apostle is someone who is sent. If you will, mailmen could be called apostles in that sense. However, with Jesus, they were designated and were given power. Remember that there were many thousands of people who witnessed what Jesus did. That didn't make them apostles, though. Joe Fisher ";17;1 "From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: White House Wiretap Chip Disinformation Sheet Keywords: Big Bubba Is Watching. Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 24 |> The Attorney General will procure and utilize encryption devices to |> the extent needed to preserve the government's ability to conduct |> lawful electronic surveillance and to fulfill the need for secure |> law enforcement communications. Further, the Attorney General |> shall utilize funds from the Department of Justice Asset Forfeiture |> Super Surplus Fund to effect this purchase. This is the one part that really scares me. Without the keys, it can likely be determined if a person is using the ""State Approved"" encryption method, and if not then that persons life is forfet, and the profits go to making more busts, and more profit. ""Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."" Human nature has not changed very much in only a few hundred years.... --- Curt Howland howland@nsipo.nasa.gov NSI Operations Center NASA Ames (800) 424-9920 ";16;1 "From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: New Alarm Proposal Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr14.190652.19777@slcs.slb.com>, dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.co m (Dan Day) writes: >In article <1qeee6$o7s@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) w rites: >> >>An audible alarm is just an annoyance -- to either a professional or >>amateur. NOBODY LISTENS TO AUDIBLE ALARMS ANYMORE. The thieves know > >This is why I think there ought to be a heavy fine on false alarms. >I'm really honked off about the fact that due to all the >cars with cruddy alarms crying ""wolf"", no one will pay any attention >to my car if its alarm ever goes off for real. > > Depends on your area, in the city, nobody thinks about it...but at a mall or something near the suburbs, people do at least glance over. Remember, an alarm is only a deterent, not a prevention. If a thief sees two cars he ""likes"", one has an alarm and the other doesn't, he's obviously going to skip the alarmed car and avoid the hassle. There is a way around every alarm, but at least you've got SOMETHING on your side..... Rob Fusi rwf2@lehigh.edu -- ";10;1 "From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: WINCO Lines: 41 In article jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >>In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >>> Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower >>> the cost and definitely make them safer to use. >> >> Yes. >> >>> I don't think we want to start using these criterion to determine >>> legality. >> >> Why not? > >Where do they get these people?! I really don't want to waste time in >here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we >can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! You asked a question, and now you don't want people to answer? I believe a legitimate question was asked. Why shouldn't cost and safety be used (at least in part) to determine legality? I'd like to see you *prove* that drug legalization is an idiotic idea. Seems to me the evidence from Great Britain is pretty convincing that drug legalization is a good idea. Even such a noted conservative as William F. Buckley supports it. > >My point was that it is pretty stupid to justify legalizing something just >because it will be safer and cheaper. > >A few more ideas to hold to these criterion - prostitution; the killing of all >funny farm patients, AIDS ""victims"", elderly, unemployed, prisioners, etc. - >this would surely make my taxes decrease. Your examples (except for prostitution) fail miserably to meet both criteria (safer AND cheaper). Obviously, killing people is not ""safe"". As for prostitution, why shouldn't it be legal? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Dale Cook ""Any town having more churches than bars has a serious social problem."" ---Edward Abbey The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/... Lines: 5 Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy. So Gritz gave up his chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting Duke. ";-1;0 "From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) Subject: Re: Rockies spoon-feed game to Mets Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 8 Is it just me, or does Bichette look totally lost in the outfield? He misplayed Martinez fly-out into a double against the Expos, misplayed Alou's single into a triple (Alou tagged out at 3rd after over-sliding the bag) and now he misplays another out into a 3 run triple...add in his wonderful batting average and we have one heck of a player! Don Boell ";-1;0 "From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 22 In article myers@cs.scarolina.edu (Daniel Myers) writes: >I am under the impression that MSG ""enhances"" flavor by causing the >taste buds to swell. No, that's not how it works. >If this is correct, I do not find it unreasonable >to assume that high doses of MSG can cause other mouth tissues to swell. This may be through a different mechanism. >Also, as the many of the occurances (including two of the above) >involved beef, and as beef is frequently tenderized with MSG, this is >what I suspect as being the cause. Tenderizing beef involves sprinking or marinading it in papain, an enzyme. ""Meat tenderizer"" packets might contain papain and MSG and seasonings, but MSG doesn't act as a tenderizer. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer ";-1;0 "From: max@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Max Webb) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: Cypress Semi, Beaverton OR Lines: 55 In article jasons@atlastele.com (Jason Smith) writes: >One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate >(at least to this layman's mind) there must be a causal event. No >reasonable alternative exists. The big-bang model supposes a temporal singularity at the point of origin. There was _no_ time for a prior cause to occur in. If you want to invent fables for the surrounding context, fine, but one fable is only as good as any other. Why should I prefer to believe in a God that _just_ exists, as opposed to a singularity that _just happened_, or giant puce subspace iguanas, that fling universes off their tongues like gobs of spit? |As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a ""why"". That isn't |true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural). >I believe the ""genetic code"" will be entirely deciphered in our lifetimes, >but we will not see man convert entirely inert material into self sustaining, >reproducing life, *ever*. (I've never been much of a prophet, though. I >can't even *picture* New York in my mind 8^] ). I don't believe *any* >technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite >having all of the parts available. Just my opinion. Just your opinion, and unfortunately wrong. Self assembling molecules have already been produced, entirely from inert matter, and have spontaneously mutated into a more rapidly assembling form on exposure to ultraviolet light. Both abiogenesis and the beginnings of evolution, TODAY. (saw this in ""Nature"", early last year.) Biological vitalism is dead, and has been dead for many, many years. Give it up. Life is not a 'spark'. Life is the self-organization of systems poised between chaos and order. >Until the King returns, > >Jason Your King baldly and repeatedly stated he would be back within the lifetime of some then present and alive. ""Soon, soon"" he said, over and over - as have many would be messiahs. It is Nineteen Ninety Three of Years Anno Domini Tell me, Tell me, where is He? Nowhere at all, Q. E. D. Max G. Webb [I should have watched this more closely. We had a discussion about the first cause, etc., not long ago. I'm not up for a replay. There was also a detailed discussion of the point Max brings up here about the initial singularity. The geometry near the big bang is very interesting. Time turns into space, so there is no ""before"". --clh] ";-1;0 "From: sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) Subject: Re: NEWS YOU WILL MISS, Apr 15 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: > > Yigal et al, sue ADL > Why do you title this ""News you will miss"" ? There have been at least three front-page stories on it in the L.A. Times. I wouldn't exactly call that a media cover-up. > js > ___Samuel___ Mossad Special Agent ID314159 Media Spiking & Mind Control Division Los Angeles Offices -- _________Pratice Safe .Signature! Prevent Dangerous Signature Virii!_______ Guildenstern: Our names shouted in a certain dawn ... a message ... a summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning, where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it. ";-1;0 "From: claborne@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Chris Claborne) Subject: Anyone use Number 9 GXE video card? Summary: Anyone use Number 9 GXE video card? Keywords: Video adaptor hardware graphics Distribution: world Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego Lines: 5 Has anyone used the Number Nine (# 9) Video Graphics adaptor with Windows or Windows NT? What do you think??? 2 -- C -- ";-1;0 "From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept. Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr15.100452.16793@csx.cciw.ca>, u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes: |> > I was wondering if people had any good uses for old |> >256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac |> >and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to |> >sell them but have gotten NO interest. We use them as Christmas tree decorations, the cat doesn't eat these. -- ...Wex ";11;1 "From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com NUT CASE PANICS!!!!JUMPS THE GUN ON THE NET BEFORE GETTING FACTS STRAIGHT!!!! ";3;1 "From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Keywords: outlet Article-I.D.: shelley.1qkm8iINN92t Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article <1qids1INNebl@chnews.intel.com> crichmon@sedona.intel.com (Chris Richmond) writes: > >In article <1993Apr14.193122.20818@mprgate.mpr.ca>, vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes: >> In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes: >> |> I'm considering modernizing some old wiring in my home, and >> |> I need a little advice on outlet wiring. Several outlets >> |> are the old 'two prong' type, without the ground. Naturally, >> |> the wire feeding these outlets is 12/2, WITHOUT the ground >> |> wire. I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the >> |> 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground >> |> wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire. >> This is contrary to the electrical code and should be fixed. >Well, my house was built just last year, and the breaker box is wired the >same way. There SHOULD be a connection of the GROUND wire to a ground in the breaker box. There also should be a connection of the NEUTRAL wire to a ground in the breaker box. There should be no other place in the building where such a connection occurs (i.e. not in any of the outlet boxes). The NEUTRAL (white) wire is a 'grounding conductor' for the plug, and is NOT safe to touch, while the GROUND (green) wire is a 'protective ground' and carries no current unless some kind of electrical fault has occurred. It's safe to touch the protective ground, but not to touch the grounding conductor (because there is current in the grounding conductor, its outlet-box end will not be at the same ground potential as its breaker-box end). John Whitmore ";-1;0 "From: toml@blade.Boulder.ParcPlace.COM (Tom LaStrange) Subject: Re: REPOST: Accelerators/Translations Keywords: Accelerator, case Reply-To: toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM Organization: ParcPlace Boulder Lines: 68 In article <1993Apr22.162016.5923@telesoft.com>, trevor@telesoft.com (Trevor Bourget @ignite) writes: |> In sdennis@osf.org writes: |> |> >I posted this a while ago and didn't receive one reply, and now we |> >have another bug report on the same subject. Can anybody help me out? |> |> The problem is that Motif uses XGrabKey to implement menu accelerators, |> and these grabs are specific about which modifiers apply. Unfortunately, |> the specification for XGrabKey doesn't allow AnyModifier to be combined |> with other modifiers, which is exactly what would be desired in this case: |> ""Ctrl Anyq"". |> |> >In ORA Vol. 6, in the section on accelerators it says ""For information |> >on how to specify translation tables see Vol. 4..."", this is so you |> >know what to put for the XmNaccelerator resource. If you go to |> >Vol. 4 it says, ""Likewise, if a modifier is specified, there is |> >nothing to prohibit other modifiers from being present as well. For |> >example, the translation: |> > Shiftq: quit() |> >will take effect even if the Ctrl key is held down at the same time as |> >the Shift key (and the q key). |> |> This is true for accelerators and mnemonics, which are implemented using |> event handlers instead of grabs; it's not true for menu accelerators. If |> you're a Motif implementor, I'd suggest lobbying to get the Xlib semantics |> changed to support the feature I described above. Otherwise, change the |> documentation for menu accelerators to properly set the user's |> expectations, because menu accelerators are NOT the same thing as |> translations. |> |> >Is it possible to supply > 1 accelerator for a menu entry? |> |> If you mean ""menu accelerator"", no it's not possible. That's according to |> the definition of the XmNaccelerator resource in the XmLabel manual page. |> |> >Keep in mind when answering this question that when using Motif you |> >can't use XtInstallAccelerators(). |> |> I can't think of a reason why not. |> |> >How can you ensure that accelerators work the same independent of |> >case? What I want is Ctrl+O and Ctrl+o to both be accelerators on one |> >menu entry. I find this thread on motif accelerators absoultly amazing. If I were writing an interface to keyboard accelerators, I would have one resource called ""accelerators"" that took a translation table, period. I would also implement it so that programmer never has to do any work to get the accelerators installed. As soon as the end-user specified one, it would be active and automatically installed. To get multiple accelerators on a single menu item I'd do something like: *menuItem.accelerators: #override \n\ CtrlM: fire() \n\ ShiftL: fire() \n The accelerators would work exactly like translations and you would automatically see a ""Ctrl M"" show up in your menuItem object. Why in the world is the motif stuff so complicated with so many different special cases depending on what type of widget you're dealing with? There has to be some reason. Sorry for the political tone of this message... -- Tom LaStrange toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Albert Sabin From: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) Reply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept. Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie Lines: 62 In article <1quim9INNem8@ctron-news.ctron.com>, king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: > > >rfox@charlie.usd.edu writes: > >>Bill, I have taken the time to explain that biblical scholars consider the >>Josephus reference to be an early Christian insert. By biblical >scholar I mean >>an expert who, in the course of his or her research, is willing to let >the >>chips fall where they may. This excludes literalists, who may >otherwise be >>defined as biblical apologists. They find what they want to find. >They are >>not trustworthy by scholarly standards (and others). > >I've seen this claim about the ""Josephus insert"" flying around the >net too often to continue to ignore it. Perhaps it's true. Was >there only one Josephus manuscipt? If there were, say, 100 copies, >the forger would have to put his insert into all of them. By the >same token, since Josephus was a historian, why are biblical scholars >raising the flag? Historical scholars , I would think, would have >a better handle on these ancient secular documents. Can you give >researchers documents (page numbers, etc)? > >Jack I became aware of the claim years ago. So I decided to check it out, on my own. But, then, that was in BN times (Before Net). So, here are some references. See Robin Lane Fox's _The unauthorized version_, (p.284) where Lane Fox writes, ""... the one passage which appears to [comment on Jesus' career] is agreed to be a Christian addition."" In my Re:Albert Sabin response (C5u7sJ.391@sunfish.usd.edu) to Jim Lippard (21 April 93), I noted that consensus is typically indicated subtly as in Elaine Pagel's _The gnostic gospels_ (p.85), to wit: ""A comment *attributed* to Josephus reports ... [emphasis mine]"". Scholars sometimes do not even mention the two Josephus entries, another subtlety reflecting consensus. So far as I can deduce, today's consensus is built on at least three things: 1) the long passage is way out of context, 2) Origen did not know about the long passage, and 3) the short and long passages are contradictory. I don't know the references wherein the arguments which led to consensus are orginally developed (does anyone?). Biblical scholars as I defined them include theologians and historians. The former, like the latter, incorporate historical, social, technological and ideological contexts as well as theology. So the distinction is blurred. I didn't elaborate on that. Sorry. (In turn, historians are compelled to incorporate theology). Can't say about the number of copies. These were, however, BG times (Before Gutenburg). A hundred first editions seems exceedingly high; counting on one hand seems more reasonable. Perhaps those mss. without the long insert (if any, because anything is possible) have been destroyed. Such a practice is certainly not foreign to religions. Anyway, all we have are mss. which have the two entries. Lippart (in the message noted above) talks about an Arabic ms. But here the ms. date is critical. :-) Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota ";19;1 "From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 27 In article geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes: >> >>Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the >>literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains >>tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might >>potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it. >>Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested. > >Years ago when I was an intern, an obese young woman was brought into >the ER comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures >why attending a ""corn festival"". We pumped her stomach and obtained >what seemed like a couple of liters of corn, much of it intact kernals. >After a few hours she woke up and was fine. I was tempted to sign her out as >""acute corn intoxication."" >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and How about contaminants on the corn, e.g. aflatoxin??? -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< ";-1;0 "From: tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) Subject: Re: New planet/Kuiper object found? Organization: University of Hawaii Distribution: sci Lines: 18 Francisco da Fonseca Rodrigues writes: > Tonigth a TV journal here in Brasil announced that an object, > beyond Pluto's orbit, was found by an observatory at Hawaii. They > named the object Karla. The name is a working name only; quite unofficial. The formal designation is 1993 FW. > The program said the object wasn't a gaseous giant planet, and > should be composed by rocks and ices. > > Can someone confirm these information? Could this object be a > new planet or a Kuiper object? It's most likely a Kuiper Belt object, with an estimated diameter of 290 km. The orbit hasn't been determined well enough yet to say much more about it. ";-1;0 "From: robin@ntmtv.com (Robin Coutellier) Subject: Critique of Pressure Point Massager Originator: robin@volans Nntp-Posting-Host: volans Reply-To: robin@ntmtv.com (Robin Coutellier) Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA Distribution: na Lines: 141 As promised, below is a personal critique of a Pressure Point Massager I recently bought from the Self Care Catalog. I am very pleased with the results. The catalog description is as follows: The Pressure Point Massager is an aggressive physical massager that actually kneads the tension out of muscles ... much like a professional shiatsu masseur. The powerful motor drives two counter-rotating ""thumbs"" that move in one-inch orbits -- releasing tension in the neck, back, legs and arms. Pressure Point Massager A2623 $109 To order or receive a catalog, call (24 hours, 7 days) 1-800-345-3371 or fax at 1-800-345-4021. ******** NOTE: When I ordered the massager, the item number was different, and the price was $179, not $109. When I received it, I glanced thru the newer catalog enclosed with it to see anything was different from the first one. I was QUITE annoyed to see a $70 difference in price. I called them about it, and the cust rep said that they had switched manufacturers, although it looks and works exactly the same. He told me to go ahead and return the first one and order the cheaper one, using the price difference as a reason for return. In fact, since the newer ones might take a while to ship from the factory (I received this one in 3 days), he told me I could use the one I already have until the new one arrives, then return the old one. VERY reasonable people. ******** I have long-term neck, shoulder and back pain (if I were a building, I would be described as ""structurally unsound :-) ). I have stretches and exercises to do that help, but the problem never really goes away. If, for whatever reason, I do not exercise for a while (illness, not enough time, lazy, etc.), the muscles become quite stiff and painful and, thus, more prone to further strain. Even with exercise, I sometimes require physical therapy to get back on track, which 1st requires a doctor visit to get the prescription for p.t. The tension in my neck, if not released, eventually causes a headache (sometimes confused with a sinus headache) over my left eye. When my physical therapist has massaged my neck, and the sub-occipital muscles in particular (the 2 knobby areas near the base of the skull), the headache usually eased within a day, although it hurts like hell to while it is being massaged. I ordered this device because it seemed to be exactly what I was wishing someone would invent --a machine that would massage, NOT VIBRATE, my neck and sub-occipital muscles like my physical therapist has done in the past, that I could use by myself. No doctor visit or inconvenient p.t. appts for a week later would be needed to use it. I could get up in the middle of the night and use it, if necessary. I have been using it for about a week or so now, and LOVE it. The base unit is about a 14"" x 9"" rectangle, about 3-3/4"" high, with handles on each side, and it plugs into an average outlet. The two metal ""thumbs"" are about 1-1/2"" in diameter and protrude about 2-1/2"" above the base. The thumbs are covered with a gray cloth that is non-removable. They are located more toward one end, rather than centered (see figure below). They move in either clockwise or counter-clockwise directions, depending on which side of the switch is pushed, and are very quiet. It can be used from either side. For instance, the thumbs can be positioned at the base of the neck or the top of the neck, depending on which direction you approach it. _______________________________ | __ _______________ __ | | | | | | | | | | | | | \^^/ \^^/ | | | | | | | | || || | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |_______________| | | | | |__| |__| | |_______________________________| For the neck/head, the user varies the amount of pressure used by (if laying down) allowing all or part of the full weight of the head and/or neck to rest on the thumbs. The handles can also be used if sitting or standing, applying pressure with the arms/wrists. Since my wrists are also impaired (I'm typing this over an extended period of time), and I don't have someone living with me who can apply it, laying down works well for me. For my back, I sit in a high-backed kitchen chair, position the massager behind me at whatever point I want massaged, and lean back lightly (or not so lightly) against it. The pressure of leaning back holds it in place. If I want to massage the entire spine, I simply move it down a few inches whenever I feel like it. For my back, this machine is far superior to use than the commonly used ""home-made"" massager of 2 tennis balls taped together (with the balls, position (against a wall or door) them over the spine and move the body up and down against them). The tennis balls are better than nothing, but difficult to use for very long, especially if your quads are not in good shape, and my long hair gets (painfully) in the way if I don't pin it up first. As far as I'm concerned, the easier something like this is to use, the more likely I'll use/do it. If there are multiple considerations/hassles, I'm more likely to not bother with it. Not only has this machine helped with my headaches, but my range of motion for my neck and back are greatly increased. The first time I used it on my neck/sub-occipital muscles, however, I overdid it and pressed too hard against it, which resulted in a very tender, almost bruised area for a few days. I laid off it for about 3 days and applied ice, which helped. After that, I was more gradual about applying pressure. At this point, the pain in the sub-occipital area is now minimal while being massaged. I also learned to use VERY LIGHT pressure on my lower back, which is the most vulnerable point for me. It also eased some painful knots of tension between my shoulder blades, although, again, it took a few days of massaging (just a few minutes at a time) to really work it out. I highly recommend this product if you have similar problems, although I cannot vouch for its durability (it seems pretty sturdy), since I've had it such a short time. I plan to use it not only to ease tension, but also to loosen the muscls BEFORE exercising (and maybe after, too). I have been ill recently and not able to exercise much for a few weeks, so this was very timely for me. This is the 1st product I've ordered from this company and only recently became aware of it thru a co-worker. The catalog states they have been in business since 1976. It contains quite a few health care products and, while they appear to be more expensive than the average health care catalog products, they also appear to be of much higher quality with more thought put into what they actually do. Definitely a step above some other ones I've seen such as ""Dr. Leonards Health Care Catalog"" or ""Mature Wisdom"". I'm only 37, but have ended up on some geriatric-type mailing lists (no big surprise here :-) ). I consider many of those products to be rip-offs, particularly targeted toward the elderly, with dubious health benefits. I apologize for the length of this, but it's the kind of info _I_ would like to know before ordering something thru the mail. Robin Coutellier Northern Telecom, Mountain View, CA INTERNET: robin@ntmtv.com UUCP:portal!ntmtv!robin ";-1;0 "From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Galileo, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr23.103038.27467@bnr.ca>, agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes... >In article <22APR199323003578@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >|> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to >|> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. > >This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could >someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? > The Command Loss Timer is part of the fault protection scheme of the spacecraft. If the Command Loss Timer ever countdowns to zero, then the spacecraft assumes it has lost communications with Earth and will go through a set of predetermined steps to try to regain contact. The Command Loss Timer is set to 264 hours and reset about once a week during the cruise phase, and is set to a lower value during an encounter phase. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. ";2;1 "From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required? Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Lines: 13 If I have one thing to say about ""No Fault"" it would be ""It isn't"" -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store. ";-1;0 "From: rbacalzo@quasar.sierra.com (Roger Bacalzo) Subject: Victoria, B.C. Hotel Room $40/2 nights Article-I.D.: sierra.1993Apr20.162758.11363 Organization: Sierra Geophysics, Inc. Kirkland, WA Lines: 27 Victoria Hotel Reserv. 2 nights $40 MID-WEEK (Sun - Thurs) Hotel reservation available for Victoria, Canada. 2 nights/3 days for $40. Expires June 1, 1993. This is a LETTER OF CREDIT (fully transferrable) issued by HOTELCO for a hotel room in any of a number of available hotels in Victoria, Canada. HOTELCO is a reputable hotel booking company that provides hotel stays at low prices. This LETTER OF CREDIT normally works for weekends, too, but all weekends are booked solid for the summer. So, check with HOTELCO directly for available dates at one of its member hotels to use this LETTER OF CREDIT before June 1. HOTELCO can be reached at (206)485-5200 in Bothell or 1-800-645-8885 during regular business hours. Then, if you find an acceptable reservation date, contact me for this LETTER OF CREDIT. Roger Bacalzo rbacalzo@sierra.com (206)828-9094 (home) (206)822-5200 x360 (work) -- Roger Bacalzo Sierra Geophysics 11255 Kirkland Way (206) 822-5200 ext. 360 Kirkland, WA 98033 rbacalzo@sibu.sierra.com ";8;1 "From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Re: Athiests and Hell Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 157 In article sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) writes:>Between Adam and Eve and Golgotha the whole process of the fall of man >occurred. This involved a gradual dimming of consciousness of the spiritual >world. This was precisely my point. From a theological bent, those who lived immediately after the flood, such as Noah, Ham, his son Cush, and his son Nimrod had a much stronger appreciation of Divine wrath. They also had a stronger understanding of the True God. In fact, this immediacy was a cause of hardship for some, so much so that Atlas, who is seen with heavens resting on his shoulders. But this is not merely the physical heavens that he is lifting. It is to put God and the strict spirituality of His law at a distance, and thus he became the ""Elevator of the heavens."" This ""god"" made men able to ""feel"" as if heaven were afar off and ""as if either the God of Heaven could not see through the dark cloud, or did not regard with displeasure the breakers of His laws."" It is interesting to see that it was that was titled ""Emancipator"" or ""Deliverer"" or Phoroneus. It was Nimrod who invaded the patriarchal system and abridged the liberties of mankind, yet was worship for having given many benefits. He was a deliverer all right but not as we think of Christ as a Deliverer. One delivered from a conscious feeling of God's wrath, the other actually performed a delivery from Gods wrath and it is up to us to accept it as true. >The question of what happens to human beings who died before Christ is >an ever present one with Christians. I am not ready to consign Adam >or Abraham, or even Cain to eternal damnation. I don't see the problem. From the time of Adam, those who looked forward to the coming ""Anointed One"" and put their faith in the fact that it was God who was to do the provision, were accounted as righteous. But up to the Crucifixion, their sins were only covered, not taken away. Therefore, the dispensation of the Church views the accountability of sin the same, but see it as a completed action. Rom's makes it clear that it has always been salvation via faith and nothing else. >It is possible to experience eternity in a passing moment. The >relationship of eternity to duration is not simply one of indefinitely >extended conditions of Greenwich mean time. I understand what you're trying to convey, but I don't think I'd lay hold of it because the scriptures do equate the eternality of the second death with the eternality of, say the Church ruling with Christ. Jn 17 tells us what eternal life is exactly, as you are correct that it is much more than non-cessation of consciousness. >It was also a standard belief among many peoples that even the righteous >were lost. It depends upon your def of ""lost."" The elect were lost only in time as outside of time they had been chosen from the foundation of the world. Existentially we were all born ""lost"", but the ""righteous"" were ""in Christ"" and therefore never *assuredly* lost. > >It would be interesting to share in the results of your studies of ancient >people's ideas of life after death. Maybe this summer I could find time to put together a paper on it. I simply have to buy more books for myself, and these older books are very expensive. Either that or countless trips to the oriental museum. > >Mankind fell into mist and darkness, and at ""the turning point of >time"" a new light entered into the world. The light still grows, and >we are developing the eyes with which to see by it. Much new >revelation and growth in under- standing lies before us. Our new >vision and understanding is still very feeble, but it contains >something new that will grow in time to embrace that which is old and >much more as well. Couldn't agree with you more. Our understanding, of say eschatology, is clearly clearer than that of, say Isaiah. But that is not what I was referring to. >(At this point I should acknowledge openly my debt to the work of Rudolf >Steiner, founder of Anthroposophy, for many insights that have led me to my >views on this subject). >The way you refer to it as ""doctrine"" puts a modern intellectual coloring >on it. I think it was much less abstract and much more real and spiritually >concrete, a teaching that struck much closer to home than our doctrines or >teachings today can be received. No, I understand it as you have said. This was my point. > >I am not so ready to attribute widespread notions in antiquity to >simple dispersion from an original source. Even if they were passed >on, the question is, to what extent did they reflect real perception >and experience? Ah! This is it. This is the big question. However, I would say, again I think, that the best lie is one that has an appreciable amount of truth to it. Look at Satan's twist of God's Word when he coerced Eve. That is a very interesting study. >The similarity in the midst of great variety of >expression of the different people's ideas of the time immediately >after death testifies to the presence of an underlying reality. Yes, that is my point. But it is a two edged sword. For some do not want the underlying reality to be revealed. They were not known as ""mystery"" religions for no reason. There was the public side of them and there was the private side, that was so protected that the initiates to an oath of death if they revealed that private side. That is why it is so hard to bring their teachings to light. The ""Mystery of Iniquity"" that we find in the Bible, correlates to this I think. The primary object of the mysteries was to introduce privately, little by little, under the seal of secrecy and sanction of oath, what it would not have been safe to openly profess was the true religion. Case in point today might be the Masons. (Just a note, that they too worshipped Osiris in Egypt, who can be traced to Nimrod, the ""husband son."") >On the other hand, there is one notion firmly embedded in Christianity >that originated most definitely in a pagan source. The idea that the >human being consists essentially of soul only, and that the soul is >created at birth, was consciously adopted from Aristotle, whose ideas >dominated Christian thought for fifteen hundred years and still does >today. No, I disagree with you here Gerry. I know what you're alluding to in that the church, primarily the RCC, did endorse Aristotelian philosophy into their worldview, but I would disagree with you that it originated in Greece. If you are a student of history, you will come to see that much of what Greece came to expound to the world as their original, was just an adulteration of that which they had taken from conquered countries. The soul is clearly mentioned and discussed at length in the Egyptian religions. As was the unity of God and also the trinity of God. See if you can find Wilkinson's ""Egyptians."" He really does a number on what the Greeks did to what they ""pilfered"" from the Egyptians. > He was at once the father of modern thought and at the same >time lived during that darkened time when the perception of our >eternal spiritual being had grown dim. I'm not knocking Aristotle or Plato or any other Greek thinker. Its just that ""there is nothing new under the sun."" >Indeed. I should also clarify that I do not deny that eternal >irrevocable damnation is a real possibility. But the narrow range in >which we conceive of the decisive moment, i.e. after the end of a >single earthly life, is not in my mind sufficient to embrace the >reality, and I think that is why the early creeds were couched in >terms that did not try to spell it out. Each age has its own focus of theology. The early church struggled with the Trinitarian formulation. The reformation dealt with authority. Today, eschatology has had much study. The early creeds do not spell these things out in detail because, 1) they weren't the topic of concern, 2) there was insufficient wisdom accumulated, 3) they didn't have the exegetical tools that we have today. Also, each age seems to have an air of revelation to it. One age has a well tended and cultivated garden in which a particular doctrine is given growth. It would be natural for the end of times to have the garden appropriate for the growth of eschatology, wouldn't it? > tangents, never ending tangents, Rex ";-1;0 "From: dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 98 seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) asks: > What is the objection to celebration of Easter? The objection naturally is in the way in which you phrase it. Easter (or Eashtar or Ishtar or Ishtarti or other spellings) is the pagan whore goddess of fertility. Therefore, your question to me is ""what is the objection to celebration of the pagan whore goddess?"" When phrased that way I suspect (or at least I would HOPE) that it becomes immeadiately apparent what my objection to ""celebrating"" her would be. > It is celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. No, you are thinking perhaps of ""Ressurection Sunday"" I think. (Though I'm not too crazy about the word ""Sunday"", but I certainly like this phrasing much better than envoking the name of the whore goddess.) For that matter, stay Biblical and call it Omar Rasheet (The Feast of First Fruits). Torah commands that this be observed on the day following the Sabbath of Passover week. (Sunday by any other name in modern parlance.) Why is there so much objection to observing the Resurrection on the 1st day of the week on which it actually occured? Why jump it all over the calendar the way Easter does? Why not just go with the Sunday following Passover the way the Bible has it? Why seek after unbiblical methods? > I don't recall a command in Scripture for us to celebrate > the resurrection, but it is the sole and only reason that > we are Christians--how could we not celebrate it? So what does this question have to do with Easter (the whore goddess)? I am all for celebrating the Resurrection. Just keep that whore out of the discussion. > If it is only the name which is a problem, I suggest that if > we are too concerned about etymology, there are a lot of > words we are going to have to drop. (As an aside, some > terminally PC people here in Ottawa want dictionaries to be > altered so that there are no negative definitions associated > with the word _black_, so as not to offend people of colour. Yes, I have heard of your newspapers speaking of the need to repave streets with ""Afro-Canadiantop"". (I still think ""blacktop"" sounds better though.) > As a short person, I hope they will also remove the definition > ""curt or surly"" associated with my physical description.) Fine by me. And while we are at it, the left-handed people are both ""sinister"" and ""gauche"" so we probably will have some objections from that quarter as well. > In Quebec French, the word for the celebration of the > resurrection is ""Pa^ques""--this is etymologically related > to Pesach (Passover) and the pascal lamb. So is the > French Canadian (mostly Roman Catholic) celebration better > because it uses the right name? Yes, that sounds much better to me. Is there anyone out there would thinks that phrasing sounds worse? > So from this I infer that there are different rules for > Christians of Jewish descent? What happened to ""there is > neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for > all are one in Christ Jesus""? Read the letter to Philemon. Now tell me, was Philemon's ""slave"" returned to him? Were there different rules upon the slave than upon Philemon? How about male and female? Are there different ""rules"" that apply to them as well? Or if there is no more ""male and female"" can Adam and Steve get married to each other in your congregation? Yes, there are differences in form and function. But the way we come to Salvation in Messiah remains the same no matter what our position in life. --------------------------------------- [I am in general not in favor of continuing this discussion, as it seems repetitive, but this particular point is one that I believe is new -- the objection is not to having a holiday but to its name. I'd like to suggest that people think very carefully about this argument. Words often change their meaning over time. The days of the week are of course originally based on pagan gods. Some Christians prefer to refer to ""first day"", ""second day"", etc. However the majority of Christians have not been persuaded. The question seems to be whether it makes any difference what the dictionary shows as the derivation of a word, if what people mean by it and think when they use it is different. Indeed I'd like to suggest that postings like this could themselves be dangerous. Suppose people in general use Easter to mean the celebration of Christ's resurrection. Postings trying to convince them that they really mean a celebration in honor of some godess run the risk of creating exactly the situation that they claim to oppose. They are doing their best to *create* a linkage in people's minds between their celebration and the pagan goddess. It's not clear that this is a healthy thing. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: crrob@sony1.sdrc.com (Rob Davis) Subject: Re: Insane Gun-toting Wackos Unite!!! Summary: backcountry Distribution: na Lines: 16 fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary @ University of Colorado, Boulder): >I don't know about animal attacks, but there are 23,500 murders >each year and under 500 die in the manner you suggest. If only >2.1% of the murders were killings by ""wacko""s, you would be >wrong. Worse, there are also 102,500 rapes and 1,055,000 aggravated >assaults each year. These numbers make violent attacks, and >preventing them, thousands of times more significant than the >accidents you are worried about. These stats are invalid; we're talking BACKCOUNTRY. These stats for rapes/assaults/deaths do not represent the backcountry singularly; the great majority represent urban incidents. You should have pointed this out. -Rob ";-1;0 "From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... Nntp-Posting-Host: jaynes.advtech.uswest.com Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies Lines: 25 > = ( Steve Novak) writes: >> = (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >>> = (Robert C Hite) writes: >>>DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the >>>Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in >>>baseball at 8-1 >>Look, asshole, I got him confused with somebody else. I didn't flame >>you, and I would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy. >What _is_ your problem? Hite's post wasn't a flame. It was a >correction of *your* error. That last was me, Steve Novak. I've since read the entire original posting by Hite. Mr. Fischer was actually restrained. Let Mr. Hite hope he never makes some similar, tiny mistake. -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Steve Novak | |""Ban the Bomb!"" ""Ban the POPE!!""| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ steven@advtech.USWest.Com ";-1;0 "From: eanders@cthulhu.sura.net (Eric Anderson) Subject: Re: Is Xlib thread safe? Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: cthulhu.sura.net Keywords: thread safe mutexes LockDisplay In article <9304132134.AA24803@alex.lcs.mit.edu> gildea@expo.lcs.mit.EDU (Stephen Gildea) writes: >No, the R5 Xlib is not thread-safe. But we are working on it. >See my article in The X Resource, issue 5. Consortium members >will have a multi-threaded version soon, and it will be part >of R6. There is a multi threaded xlib version written. Do an archie search for mt-xlib: Host export.lcs.mit.edu Location: /contrib DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Jul 30 1992 mt-xlib Location: /contrib/mt-xlib-1.1 FILE -rw-r--r-- 106235 Jan 21 14:02 mt-xlib-xhib92.ps.Z FILE -rw-r--r-- 1658123 Jan 21 14:03 mt-xlib.tar.Z Location: /contrib/mt-xlib FILE -rw-r--r-- 106235 Jul 30 1992 mt-xlib-xhib92.ps.Z FILE -rw-r--r-- 1925529 Jul 30 1992 mt-xlib.tar.Z et.al. -Eric ********************************************************* ""Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out."" -The Nine Billion Names of God ""Yes, you're very smart. Shut up."" -In ""The Princess Bride"" ********************************************************* ";12;1 "From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question? Organization: University of East Anglia Distribution: net Lines: 22 lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes: >There has been a running thread on the need to understand >countersteering. I have seen a lot of opinion, but not much of it has >any basis in fact or study. The bottom line is: >The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among >the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study. >The ""average rider"" does not identify that countersteering alone >provides the primary input to effect motorcycle lean by themselves, >even after many years of practice. I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure* to swerve? In most of the accidents and near accidents that I've seen, riders will almost always stand on the brakes as hard as they dare, simply because the instinct to brake in the face of danger is so strong that it over-rides everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally preferable? ";7;1 "From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 15 tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >I too strongly object to those that justify Israeli ""rule"" >of those who DO NOT WANT THAT. The ""occupied territories"" are not >Israel's to control, to keep, or to dominate. They certainly are until the Arabs make peace. Only the most leftist/Arabist lunatics call upon Israel to withdraw now. Most moderates realize that an Israeli withdrawl will be based on the Camp David/242/338/Madrid formulas which make full peace a prerequisite to territorial concessions. >Tim Ed ";-1;0 "From: cgcad@bart.inescn.pt (Comp. Graphics/CAD) Subject: Re: Fonts in POV?? Nntp-Posting-Host: bart Organization: INESC-Porto, Portugal Lines: 27 Hi. The RTrace ray tracer supports 3D text as a primitive, not collections of spheres, cylinders and so on... The 3D chars are made of lines and splines that are extruded... Please have a look at asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17] in directory pub/RTrace. In pub/RTrace/tmp there are some demo images with high quality text. All of them are called Text?.jpg (JPEG encoded). See them first and then tell me what you think. Regards, Antonio. ......................................................................... O O / / I N E S C | O | Antonio Costa | E-Mail acc@asterix.inescn.pt | |\ | O | acosta@porto.inescn.pt | | \ | / O Comp. Graphics & CAD | DECnet porto::a_costa | | \| / / | | | / | | Largo Mompilher 22 | UUCP {mcvax,...}!... O | |-O | | 4100 Porto PORTUGAL | Bell +351+02+321006 / \ / \ O O O ""Let the good times roll..."" ";-1;0 "From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: div. and conf. names Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Distribution: na Lines: 89 In <1993Apr18.073540.6871@hubcap.clemson.edu> jwodzia@dlite.uucp (john wodziak) writes: >Sorry Roger but Mr Basketbal should what he really means here. IE he should >have said that he hopes ""fans in the _American_ Southeast can follow the >names of the divisions."" The odds that these people other than those who >are displaced ""Notherners"" (who are probably already fans) is on the order >of the proverbial snowball's in hell. I am not at all clear about what you are trying to say here. If you asked somone, who had never heard of hockey before, if LA played in the Smythe division what do you think that the response would be? What if you asked this person if LA played in the West division? The naming of divisions after long-dead entrepreneurs is unnecessary obfuscation. >>I am glad that the names are being changed for another reason. The names >>Patrick, Smythe, Norris, Adams and Campbell are all the names of so-called >>""builders"" of the game. This is the same type of thinking that put Stein >>in the Hall of Fame. This is absolute nonsense. The real builders of the >>game are Richard, Morenz, Howe, Conacher, Orr, etc. If you are going to >>name the divisions after people at least name the divisions after people >>who deserve it. >Yes these people deserve recognigtion as hockey greats but the old division >names took into account Messers Patrick, Norris, Smythe and the Prince who >had alot more to do with the ORIGINS of the league than people who came into >an already established situation. It is much easier to be an element of change Hardly. The ""established"" situation existed prior to Smythe, et al. The Stanley Cup was a challenge trophy up for grabs to whatever team could successfully mount the challenge. What our dear founders did was formalize the challenge. They created a closed league, an oligop- olistic professional system, in the interests of making money. Wheth- er or not that system has contributed to better hockey is certainly debatable. We are, however, stuck with their invention and that de- bate is academic. The point to be made, however, is that people played hockey and people enjoyed watching hockey long before Smythe and his pals showed up. >or a standout in an existing situation than it is to be someone who creates >a new situation. If you want to honor players like Bobby Orr than I'm sure >you can find a reason to name a torphy after him such as best offensive >defenseman. What's wrong with best defenceman, period? Was there ever a better defenceman? Was there ever a better player? And if you think that Bruce Norris' contribution was somehow more significant than Bobby Orr's then, in the interests of education, why don't you take a poll and find out how many people know who Norris was? But you don't have to, do you? >No I can't for the reasons I gave above. I'm in the same boat as Jason and I >grew up with the current divisonal names and learned them when I was about >10 years old and who played in what division. If a 10 year old _American_ >can learn this why would it be hard for an ""Occasional Fan"" to pick up >on who plays in what division? So you don't feel that you should have to make the effort to remember that Vancouver plays in the West division? (Or Pacific, or whatever other intuitively understandable moniker is chosen.) >>Oh. Now I see your point. Your intention has been to alert us to the erosion >>of purity. I'll bet you like hockey because it's, for the most part, played >>by whites of European extraction. >Probably not. In my case I'm sure of this. What you said would be like me >saying that All Maple Leafs fans are as biased, closed minded, ignorant, And of course you neatly deleted Jason's jingoistic rant about the game losing its ""Canadianization"". Quoting me out of context does more to erode your credibility than it does mine. My position is clearly progressive and is anything but ""biased, closed minded, ig- norant"". Arrogant, I will grant you. >arrogant, and moronic as you. Just because someone A) doesn't like what >Mr Basketball is doing, B) voices their opinion. and C) Likes the senerio of >you going to Antartica does not mean that you have the right to insult them. Nice try John. But for a flame to be truly effective you have to display at least enough intelligence to earn your target's respect. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: CBS NY Times Poll on Health Care Alternatives From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe) Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan NNTP-Posting-Host: tarkus.citi.umich.edu Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr6.175543.19590@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: |> Thought others on the net might be interested in a selection of findings |> from the New York Times/CBS News poll on national health care. I'll leave |> it to Doug Fierro to enter the entire article if he chooses. What follows |> is a selection of the findings. (Paraphrased without permission. Any |> errors are mine, not the Times. The NY Times doesn't make mistakes.) |> |> [poll results deleted] The economic and political ignorance of most Americans can be truly scary. Price controls and government intervention. The surest route to disaster. It's amazing, people never seem to learn from history (or common sense). Price controls do not, and cannot work. I would have thought our last experiment in the 70's would have been enough to dampen the belief that price controls can actually work. As for government intervention, people never seem to get the irony of what the are saying. We are told that entitlements are the biggest portion of the budget and they must be 'controlled'. We are presented with horror stories of waste and fraud in almost all government agencies. We are shown stories about the miserable treatment our veterans get in our government run hospitals. We are just now seeing stories about how Social Security isn't going to cut it in the future (as if that should come as any surprise). And yet, people choose to ignore all of that and believe in the fairy tale of the government coming to the rescue. Simply amazing. James W. Howe internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu University of Michigan uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh Ann Arbor, MI 48103-4943 ";18;1 "From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: SHO and SC Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 16 In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is >beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a >regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to >say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg >disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an >SHO anyway. actually, disabled persons have been known to drive in SCCA races. i'd be careful about making sweeping generalizations here. i'd prefer a manual transmission, but the early SHO had an awful transmission that felt like it came out of a truck or something. it was almost enough to make me want an automatic. -teddy ";-1;0 "From: domain@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (george.d.hodge) Subject: Dayton Hamfest Summary: Where and when is Dayton Hamfest Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 14 Some weeks ago, someone posted an article telling when and where a hamfest and computerfest was going to be help in Dayton, OH. Unfortunately, I lost the article and I was wondering if someone could repost it. I believe it was being held the 23,24,and 25 of this month at the Dayton convention center but I'm not sure. Any help and more details would be greatly appreciated. george.d.hodge domain@cbcat.att.com ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Robbie Po Subject: Re: @#$%! I was right in the first place!!! Lines: 53 In article , vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) says: > >In <93107.091503RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po writes: > >>2-Red Wings vs. 3-Maple Leafs Maple Leafs in 6 > >> Comment : It's kind of tough to rely on Yzerman as the team's main weapon. >> He's a great palyer, but Dino knows all about choking, which >> puts the burden on Steve even more. Potvin's had a hell of a >> season and goaltending is what you need in the playoffs. > >For a great prognosticator:), you seem to remember very little playoff >history. Dino always shows up in the playoffs, which is why he is a >great ""sleeper"" pick in pools. Don't forget about Fedorov, one of the >top players in the NHL, IMHO, and Coffey who has the most Stanley Cup >rings of any active players (correct me if I'm wrong). Wings in a >cakewalk. Oh yeah, how come Dino could never take the Caps out of the Patrick Division? He choked up 3 games to 1 last year and got swept away in the second round two years ago. He rarely, if ever, makes it out of the division. >>1-Canucks vs. 4-Jets Canucks in 5 > >> Comment : It's more like Vancouver vs. Selanne. King and Domi (for >> enforcing) help Winnipeg out a little, maybe a game. Canucks >> have their number. > >Except that the Canuck are playing like shit. Winnipeg can win this >one, though I think Vancouver will manage to slip by. So are the Islanders, but they can still pull it out. Vancouver has Winnipeg's number, so it really doesn't matter. >>2-Flames vs. 3-Kings Flames in 7 > >> Comment : 7 games looks good as the Kings always seem to battle it out. >> Flames are back in running and won't know memories of last year's >> season. Gretzky is on a tear, but there are too many ????? >> surrounding the Kings. >Kings ""always seem to battle it out""? When? Where? Kings always seem to go at least 6 or 7, they never play a four or five game serious. There's a difference between battling it out and pulling it out, as I take Calgary to pull it out in 7. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""We do what comes naturally! Patrick Division Semi's '91 STANLEY CUP You see now, wait for the PENGUINS 6, Devils 3 '92 CHAMPIONS possibility, don't you see a Penguins lead, 1-0 12 STRAIGHT WINS! strong resemblance...""-DG '89 ";-1;0 "From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Lines: 131 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article , Thomas Parsli writes: >Gun clubs: >If you are a member you CAN borrow weapons....(Suprised??) >You are supposed to train with a .22 for the 6 months, THEN >you can start with anything bigger. > >Drivers licence: >Forgot that USA is THE land of cars..... >Getting one in Scandinavia (and northern europe) is not easy. >Average time is about 20 hours of training, and the cost is rather...... >But we think this is acceptable because a car is NOT a toy, and >bad drivers tend to hurt OTHERS. >(If you are really bad, you WON'T get a lincence!) > >Abuse by the goverment: >This seems to be one of the main problems; Any harder gun-control >would just be abused by the goverment.(!) >Either some of you are a little paranoid (no offence...) OR you should >get a new goverment. (You do have elections??) Unfortunately, elections can, and are, bought. Promise the voters money, and they will vote for you. > >Guns 'n Criminals: >MOST weapons used by criminals today are stolen. >Known criminals can NOT buy weapons, that's one of the points of gun control. Same here. Convicted felons may not legally purchase firearms. >And because gun control are strict in WHOLE scandinavia (and most of europe), >we dont have any PROBLEM with smuggled guns. That you know of. While I lived in the DBR, a gang robbed a joint US Army/Bundewehr armoury and got several hundred M-16s, ammunition, handguns and some explosives. When I left two years later, there were no clues. > >Mixing weapons and things that can be use as one: >What I meant was that cars CAN kill, but they are not GUNS! >Someone said that if we 'ban' guns we'd have to ban cars to, because they 'kill' to... >I don't think we should argue on this one..... ;) > >The issue (I hope..): >I think we all agree that the criminals are the main problem. >Guns are not a problem, but the way they are used is.... (and what are they for??) Who uses them is the problem. Crime, in the U.S., is ""no big deal"" if you are the criminal. How about 5 years for murder. Credit for time served (in jail, waiting for trial) and you are out in 12 months, worst case. If we would put criminals, especially violent ones, in the slam for true sentences, crime would drop. Instead, we reward them for being good and let them out early, very early. > >I think this discusion is interesting when you think of (ex)Jugoslavia: >They should all have weapons, it's their rigth to have them, and if they use them >to kill other (Innocent) people the problem is humans, not guns. Serbs, Croats and Muslims have been killing each other almost since before the invention of guns. Old women are throwing stones at UN trucks. This is a hatred that goes beyond reason. > >If 50% of ALL murders was done with axes, would you impose some regulations on them >or just say that they are ment to be used at trees, and that the axe is not a problem, >it's the 'axer' ?? >(An example, don't flame me just because not exactly 50% are killed by guns...) Yes, the problem is the user. Question back (since you are one of the rational ones): If all gun crime were to stop, would you support dropping all gun controls? > >Think about the situation in Los Angeles where people are buying guns to protect >themselves. Is this a good situation ?? Is it the rigth way to deal with the problem ?? They did not believe, from experience, that the ""police"" (including National Guard) could/would protect them. Unless you want to argue that a human being does not have a right to protect him/herself, they did the right thing. What would you suggest as a defense against a mob throwing bottles and rocks, and also likely armed with stolen firearms? > >If everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals (and their neighbor who have >guns) what do you think will happen ?? (I mean if everybody had a gun in USA) Criminals would move to Scandinavia??? :-) The average criminal would look for a less hazardous job, and the rest would likely be buried at county expense. > >Don't flame the Englishmen because of Northern Irland, they have gun control that works >(in England) and fonds from USA are one of the reasons why IRA can bomb innocents... >(Something about throwing stones in glass houses...) Personally, I criticize the fools who send money to the IRA to ""make Ireland free"". Of course, this is the last thing the IRA wants, because they lose power if England pulls out. But that's for another group. >Don't flame them because of what to (three?) children did either. The U.S. has roughly 20 times the major sporting events as the U.K.. How many riots did we have at sporting events last year (off the playing field)? Hooligan is a word never used when reffering to sports fans here. I guess that's where the different cultures thing comes in. >(Can an Jugoslav have an oppinion on guns or even peace??) (YES!) Yes. The question is, is the problem one of too many guns (mostly from the army) or not enough (nonSerbians can not defend themselves. > >(My numbers about crime rates after restrictions on shot-guns are from the police >and the Statistisk Sentralbyraa) (understood that one Sorenson??) > >LAST WORD: >Responsible gun owners are not a problem, but they will be affected if you want to protect >your citicens. But disarming responsible gun owners is not the solution. Yet, that is exactly what HCI is proposing. -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | ";-1;0 "From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) Subject: Re: Radio stations Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 31 In article , ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: > greanias@texas.mitre.org (Steve Greanias) writes: > > > > > I do not have cable and on the nights the Caps don't play, I > >would like to tune in other games. Does anyone have a list of > >the radio stations which broadcast the games for the NHL teams? > > > > Thanks in advance > > I can give you a couple. In Detroit, WJR (760) will be broadcasting > at least the first couple of games of the Wings-Toronto series, and > since they broadcast at 50000 Watts, you may be able to pick it up > after dark where you are at. The Pittsburgh Penguins games used to be > broadcast on KDKA 1020, but I don't know whether they will be pre-empted > by baseball (and moved to another station) or not. You can try those > if the local baseball teams aren't playing at the same time, anyway. > > --Randy > KDKA has first rights to Pirates games, and will split probably 50-50 in conflicts; for Penguins games which are preempted, check out 102.5 WDVE FM (that's right, DVE). It is also 50,000 watts. Kevin L. Stamber Purdue University no funny .sig today ";-1;0 "From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: University of Rochester In article <844@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes: > Ok, so how about the creation of oil producing bacteria? I figure > that if you can make them to eat it up then you can make them to shit it. > Any comments? They exist. Even photosynthetic varieties. Not economical at this time, though. Paul F. Dietz dietz@cs.rochester.edu ";-1;0 "From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Distribution: inet Lines: 84 Andrew Molitor (amolitor@nmsu.edu) wrote: : : 1) Monitor my phonecalls. : 2) Monitor usenet. : 3) Provide only cryptosystems they can easily crack. : 4) etc etc. : : This is not to say that they *don't*, they might. But you don't : know that they do, and you have no evidence that they do, for almost : all values of you. It follows, therefore, that for most values of 'you', : your claims about the NSA border on paranoia. : : Andrew Now I wouldn't be the one to claim that you are injecting some disinformation into the net, Andrew, but 'paranoia' refers to unwarranted or excessive suspicions or fear, not those that have reasonable roots. Let's start with looking at the professionals, the NSA itself. Its birth was by secret executive order by Harry S Truman in 1952. Until even 1976 not even one word of this executive order chartering the NSA was sealed. Paranoia, right? On the outside of the NSA complex is a ten foot Cyclone fence with multiple rows of barbed wire, with high voltage, complete with signs prohibiting even making sketches under penalty of the Internal Security Act. The area is completely scanned by closed circuit television. More paranoia. These are professionals, Maybe they know something we don't, eh? Do you think it would have helped Admiral Yamamoto if the Japanese had been a little more 'paranoid' of their purple cipher? Or maybe the Germans should have been a little more 'paranoid' about their Engima with respect to Turing and the British. How about the cracking of the Zimmerman telegram? Would a little more paranoia have helped the Germans here? Maybe the NSA should have been a little more 'paranoid' about Emma Woikin, or Joseph Sidney Petersen, Jr., or ... Maybe you want to talk about Macmillan publishers cooperation with the CIA and NSA to suppress Yardley's Japanese Diplomatic Secrets or even Kahn's The Codebreakers.. paranoia, right? The most popular cipher systems in captured soviet spies was the one-time pad, even with the necessity of keeping incriminating evidence about, is known to be the only proven unbreakable system. Soviet paranoia, right? And what do you think the NSA does with its Wullenwebers? And huge Rhombics pointed embassy row? And their sites near satellite uplink and downlink sites? Duh. When I worked in a classified MITRE communications lab at one time even with a ""secret"" clearance I had to be escorted to the toilet and the entire site was built INTO a Mosler-type vault with *very* thick bomb-proof door. MITRE paranoia? I could cite probably a hundred more facts which all support, as best hypothesis, the notion that the NSA is grabbing as much as it can, as fast as it can. One would be a fool to ignore the pattern of facts and conclude that they were random... And we know the government is violent -- even against children as recent events prove. Judge William Sessions is a disgrace but a solemn warning to those who ignore the web of evidence that our government institutions have in their contempt for our civil rights. And of course we have to err somewhat on the excessive side of caution because that does much less harm than erring on the reckless side. As member of the crew of the USS Liberty might aver. I might suggest, Andrew, that you read Kahn's Codebreakers and Bamford's Puzzle Palace and come back with some more facts to support your sheepish acquiescence to authority. -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F ";-1;0 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Life on Mars??? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr20.120311.1@pa881a.inland.com> schiewer@pa881a.inland.com (Don Schiewer) writes: >What is the deal with life on Mars? I save the ""face"" and heard >associated theories. (which sound thin to me) The ""face"" is an accident of light and shadow. There are many ""faces"" in landforms on Earth; none is artificial (well, excluding Mount Rushmore and the like...). There is also a smiley face on Mars, and a Kermit The Frog. The question of life in a more mundane sense -- bacteria or the like -- is not quite closed, although the odds are against it, and the most that the more orthodox exobiologists are hoping for now is fossils. There are currently no particular plans to do any further searches for life. >Are we going back to Mars to look at this face agian? Mars Observer, currently approaching Mars, will probably try to get a better image or two of the ""face"" at some point. It's not high priority; nobody takes it very seriously. The shadowed half of the face does not look very face-like, so all it will take is one shot at a different sun angle to ruin the illusion. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";-1;0 "From: wesommer@mit.edu (Bill Sommerfeld) Subject: Re: The source of that announcement Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 112 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: bill-the-cat.mit.edu In-reply-to: marc@mit.edu's message of 18 Apr 1993 01:19:38 GMT % telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying... Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 20:42:56 EDT expn clipper 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250 quit 221 first.org closing connection Connection closed. Note also: % telnet csmes.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying 129.6.54.2... Connected to csmes.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 csmes.ncsl.nist.gov sendmail 4.1/NIST(rbj/dougm) ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:08:58 EDT expn mgrsplus 250- 250-Irene Gilbert 250-Dennis Branstad 250-Robert Rosenthal 250-Gene Troy 250- 250-Dennis Steinauer 250 telnet mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying 129.6.48.199... Connected to mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov sendmail 4.1/rbj/jck-3 ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:06:50 EDT expn csspab 250- 250- 250-Bill Colvin 250- 250-John Kuyers 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250-Eddie Zeitler 250-Cris Castro 250 % telnet st1.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying 129.6.54.91... Connected to st1.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 st1.ncsl.nist.gov SEndMaIl 4.1/NBS-rbj.11 rEadY At Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:13:43 EDT expn smid 250 Miles Smid expn katzke 250 Stuart Katzke quit 221 st1.ncsl.nist.gov closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. % telnet ecf.ncsl.nist.gov 25 Trying 129.6.48.2... Connected to ecf.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 ECF.NCSL.NIST.GOV TGV/MultiNet SMTP service ready. expn burrows 250 Burrows, James expn mcnulty 250 McNulty, Lynn quit 221 ECF.NCSL.NIST.GOV TGV/MultiNet SMTP service complete. % whois -h rs.internic.net first.org National Institute of Standards and Technology (FIRST-DOM) 225/A216 NIST GAITHERSBURG, MD 20899 Domain Name: FIRST.ORG Administrative Contact: Wack, John P. (JPW18) WACK@ENH.NIST.GOV (301) 975-3411 (FTS) 879-3411 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Hunt, Craig W. (CWH3) Hunt@ENH.NIST.GOV (301) 975-3827 (FTS) 879-3827 Record last updated on 17-Dec-91. Domain servers in listed order: DOVE.NIST.GOV 129.6.16.2 AMES.ARC.NASA.GOV 128.102.18.3 The InterNIC Registration Services Host ONLY contains Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. -- ";-1;0 "From: lusardi@cs.buffalo.edu (Christopher Lusardi) Subject: Looking for Mr. radon Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: homam.cs.buffalo.edu Does anyone have a radon transform in C that they could send me? Any help accepted, -- | .-, ###|For a lot of .au music: ftp sounds.sdsu.edu | / / __ , _ ###|then cat file.au > /dev/audio | \_>/ >_/ (_/\_/<>_ |UB library catalog:telnet bison.acsu.buffalo.edu |_ 14261 _|(When in doubt ask: xarchie, xgopher, or xwais.) ";-1;0 "From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) Subject: Re: Ignorance is BLISS, was Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX Lines: 20 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >In article , pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) >wrote: >> In article >> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >> >Ignorance is not bliss! > >> Ignorance is STRENGTH! >> Help spread the TRUTH of IGNORANCE! > >Huh, if ignorance is strength, then I won't distribute this piece >of information if I want to follow your advice (contradiction above). > > >Cheers, >Kent >--- >sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. He was quoting Big Brother from Orwell's 1984. ";-1;0 "From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Sun Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina In article irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: >In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >>In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: >> >>> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day >>> in Texas. >> >>Do YOU eat all your food cold? > >Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. >Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. Brent, the Feds turned off the BD's electricity a couple of weeks ago... Perhaps you haven't been paying attention to the radio, TV, or newspapers, though. -- ------------------------------------------------------- | Some things are too important not to give away | | to everybody else and have none left for yourself. | |------------------------ Dieter the car salesman-----| ";-1;0 "From: genek@ucsb.edu (Gene Kostruba) Subject: Diamond Speedstar HiColor card Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Lines: 15 I have a 486DX33 ISA system with 4 meg. I am using a Diamond Speedstar HiColor video card with 1 meg VRAM and a standard CTX 14-in SVGA monitor. When I am running Windows, and I have overlapping windows (say an application overlapping the program manager window), and I close the active application, window erasure is very slow. The part of the window that is not overlapping is erased first, very slowly. This also happens when I iconify an application. The HiColor card is advertised as a faster-than-standard video card, but it does not have an accelerator chip on it. I am running at 800x600x32k. Is this slow speed simply to be expected without an accelerator chip, or is there something else that is bottlenecking the system that I am unaware of? Thanks. (You can mail to me directly if you wish, at genek@cs.ucsb.edu). ";-1;0 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Kawasaki 440 AE for sale. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 6 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Included in thas sale is a Cover . THe cover is not sold separately. The trailer is not being sold. pat ";-1;0 "From: ayim@leibniz.uwaterloo.ca (Alfred Yim) Subject: And... THEY'RE OFF!!!!! Keywords: Leafs Chicago Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 39 Well, I gotta tell ya, last night's Leafs game vs the Devils was a nail-bitter LET ME TELL YOU! It was a well played game by BOTH teams (I thought) but according to the Don and Ron it was the an ""off-night"" for the Leafs and the Devils were outplaying Toronto. Well, I BEG to differ.... IMHO, Clark deserved to be a first star as much as Gilmour did. His fast breaks towards the net and the good opportunites that he created reminded me of the Clark of old. (But not to take any of the credit away from Gilmour). I think the Leafs are playing GREAT hockey. WHY? Well first look at their injury list which includes, Cullen, Ellet, Zezel, Macoun. Of course my question is this....how will the Leafs fare when they are once again ""healthy"" if they are playing this well so far?? Second, just look at their standings, still second in defence, moved from 11th overall to 6th over in the last month, haven't lost at home in last 12 games, 8 game undefeated streak..etc. (BTW, am I wrong or was this Potvin's first shut-out? I can't remember him having any as of yet.) Well, as of April 3 we see that the race for first in the Norris has truly begun and it will be a VERY CLOSE race between Chicago and Toronto. And the best game of the season will probably be their last against each other. (is anyone lucky enough to have tickets to see this one?) Coming to the stretch and still a ROAR'IN!!!!! Go LEAFS Go!!!! -- ****************************************** * Alfred (Yong-Jeh) Yim * Toronto wins the * 4B Mathematics (Actuarial Science) * ( ? ) CUP. * University of Waterloo, Canada. * i like ""coca-cola"" idea personally * E-mail: ayim@descartes.waterloo.edu * ***************************************************************************** ";13;1 "From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 22 In article , green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) writes: > And a few other questions. Like I said, I believe the actions taken, in > general, were proper. But I still have some reservations. We've heard a lot of talk about brainwashing in Waco but the brainwashing of the general population never ceases to amaze me. Here is an example of action being taken which results in the worst possible outcome and despite people's deep intuition telling them something is wrong the programming will still cut in and say that the agents probably acted in good faith. NO THEY DIDN'T. They either did not have enough information to act in good faith or else they acted knowing the risk. Sums up human stupidity all over and one of these days it will destroy the fucking planet: ""Oh sorry. Didn't think they would respond by launching a strike. All our best calculations told us they were bluffing."" -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810) ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** ";-1;0 "From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr15.215428.11116@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes: >>( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. ) I should >>be road legal tomorrow. I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about >>the transmission and taking my chances. > > There should be no worries about the trans. > >>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull >>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number, >>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-). > > Does this count? Yes. He thought about it. > >$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s ""HAHAHHA"" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press > return...) > >Later, >-- >Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady >behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike >Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name >agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. Jack Waters II DoD#1919 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~ ~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";7;1 "From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Article-I.D.: armory.1prve9$1aa Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES) writes: >ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: >>Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking) >This is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without >spilling or having someone hold on to them. I agree. Six hour long stretches behind the wheel really make me thirsty, especially for something with caffeine. I consider it a failing of my car that it has no cup holder nor anywhere to put a cup holder. jim frost jimf@centerline.com ";10;1 "From: js8484@albnyvms.bitnet Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Reply-To: js8484@albnyvms.bitnet Organization: University of Albany, SUNY Lines: 89 In article <120399@netnews.upenn.edu>, sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) writes: > >Some pleasant (and then some not so pleasant) surprises about the 1993 >edition of the Bronx Bombers so far. > >First, the pleasant: > > 1)Spike Owen. All through spring training, this guy was > looking like the second coming of Mike Gallego, but with > even worse hitting. Now the guy is third in the major leagues > in BA, and he's ranked pretty high in total hits and runs > scored. I know it's still early in the season, but he and > Pat Kelly (more on him in a minute) have provided a lot of > spark at the bottom of the order that's given the big guys > (Mattingly, Tartabull, O'Neill) plenty of RBI opportunities. > Let's hope he keeps this up. > > 2)Pat Kelly. The guy is finally showing some of the ability > that led Stick Michael to label him a ""star for the 90s"". > I wouldn't go that far, but Kelly looks infinitely improved > at bat (I guess the tips he took from Boggs in spring training > really paid off. Huh! And here I thought Boggs would never > do anything to help anybody besides himself!). And his glove, > like always, has been terrific (he and Mattingly comprise the > best defensive right side of the infield in all of baseball IMHO). > > 3)Paul O'Neill. We had to get rid of Roberto Kelly, partly > because he was under too much pressure in NY to be the next > Barry Bonds (he won't do that in Cincy, either), and partly > because he had this real unprofessional tendency to give up > in the second half of the year. I just felt that we could've > gotten more for him than O'Neill. Well, so far, O'Neill is > turning out just fine. He looks like he should be able to > duplicate (if not surpass) Mel Hall's numbers from last year, > and he keeps opposing pitchers from pitching around Tartabull. > Now, if only Buck would play him against lefties some more to > see what he can do! > > 4)Wickman. A friend made a comparison between Wickman and Jack > Morris - they never have impressive stats but they always > find some way to win (although Morris seems to be losing that > ability). I figured that Wickman would be the least important > part of the Steve Sax trade (best trade since we got that Ruth > guy), maybe winding up as a good middle reliever. But I like what > I've seen so far. He doesn't pitch pretty, but he gets the job done. > > 5)Key. What's going on here? Key was just supposed to provide > the rotation with some stability (you know, shore up the left > side, provide experience, get maybe 15 wins), and here this guy > is *dominating* everybody he faces! Who needs Maddux or Cone (0-2)? > I'll take Key any day. > >And now, the not so pleasant surprises: > > 1)Spike Owen. Sure, he's hitting like crazy, but the guy *cannot* > field to save his life! And they said he was brought in to > provide defense? Velarde, Stankiewicz, and even Silvestri > are better defensively than Owen. Remember - it's still early. Look for his offense to tail off, and his defense to improve (hopefully). He has that rep because I heard that either last year, or over the last 5 years, or something like that - he has the third highest fielding percentage among major league shortstops - behind C.R. and Tony (I'm not gonna help this sorry Mets team at all) Fernandez. I do agree though that he has not looked all that impressive in the field thus far. > > 2)Tartabull. The book on Tartabull was, keep him healthy and > he'll produce. Well, he hasn't done too much so far. Sure. he's > hit a few homers, but those were all solo shots, and he hasn't > gotten any of the ""big"" RBIs that your cleanup man is supposed > to give you. Then again, he had a slow start last year (once he > got off the DL, that is) and turned into a one-man wrecking crew > late in the year, so we'll see. > > 3)The Bullpen. UGH!!!!!What happened? We were supposed to have > one of the most solid pens in the majors! Meanwhile, the pen > has already blown three saves (maybe more - I haven't checked). > The great Howe/Farr lefty/righty tandem? Farr's ERA is in the > 20s or 30s, and Howe's is.....infinite. (I didn't think such > a thing was possible, but it is). Hopefully, they'll get their > acts together, or else Buck's gonna burn out the starters > for fear that the bullpen'll blow a lead. > >In the immortal words of the Scooter, ""Holy Cow, Seaver! That Johnny Key >guy can pitch, can't he?"" > >See you in the Series! > >-Alan ";-1;0 "From: lindae@netcom.com Subject: Re: MORBUS MENIERE - is there a real remedy? Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 87 In article <19392@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article lindae@netcom.com writes: > >> >>My biggest resentment is the doctor who makes it seem like most >>people with dizziness can be cured. That's definitely not the >>case. In most cases, like I said above, it is a long, tedious >>process that may or may not end up in a partial cure. >> > >Be sure to say ""chronic"" dizziness, not just dizziness. Most >patients with acute or subacute dizziness will get better. >The vertiginous spells of Meniere's will also eventually go >away, however, the patient is left with a deaf ear. All true. And all good points. > >>To anyone suffering with vertigo, dizziness, or any variation >>thereof, my best advice to you (as a fellow-sufferer) is this... >>just keep searching...don't let the doctors tell you there's >>nothing that can be done...do your own research...and let your > >This may have helped you, but I'm not sure it is good general >advice. The odds that you are going to find some miracle with >your own research that is secret or hidden from general knowledge >for this or any other disease are slim. When good answers to these >then, spending a great deal of time and energy on the medical >problem may divert that energy from more productive things >in life. A limited amount should be spent to assure yourself >that your doctor gave you the correct story, but after it becomes >clear that you are dealing with a problem for which medicine >has no good solution, perhaps the best strategy is to join >the support group and keep abreast of new findings but not to >make a career out of it. Well, making a career out of it is a bit strong. I still believe that doing your own research is very, very necessary. I would not have progressed as much as I have today, unless I had spent the many hours in Stanford's Med Library as I have done. And 5 years ago, it was clear that there was no medicine that would help me. So should I have stopped searching. Thank goodness I didn't. Now I found that there is indeed medicine that helps me. I think that what you've said is kind of idealistic. That you would go to one doctor, get a diagnosis, maybe get a second opinion, and then move on with your life. Just as an example... having seen 6 of the top specialists in this field in the country, I have received 6 different diagnoses. These are the top names, the ones that people come to from all over the country. I have HAD to sort all of this out myself. Going to a support group (and in fact, HEADING that support group) was helpful for a while, but after a point, I found it very unproductive. It was much more productive to do library research, make phone calls and put together the pieces of the puzzle myself. A recent movie, Lorenzo's Oil, offers a perfect example of what I'm talking about. If you haven't seen it, you should. It's not a put down of doctor's and neither is what I'm saying. Doctors are only human and can only do so much. But there are those of us out here who are intelligent and able to sometimes find a missing piece of the puzzle that might have otherwise gone unnoticed. I guess I'm biased because dizziness is one of those weird things that is still so unknown. If I had a broken arm, or a weak heart, or failing kidneys, I might not have the same opinion. That's because those things are much more tangible and have much more concise definitions and treatments. With dizziness, you just have to decide to live with it or decide to live with it while trying to find your way out of it. I have chosen the latter. Linda lindae@netcom.netcom.com > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and >geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Impeach Clinton, Reno Summary: civil rights violations Keywords: confession TV Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu Organization: The Group W Bench Lines: 21 Fact: Both Janet Reno and Bill Clinton have admitted responsibility, even grief, over the deaths in Waco. Fact: Regardless of who started the fire, there are more than enough things on tape to make a civil rights case against these two. Cruel and unusual punishment (dying tortured rabbits on tape?) come to mind. Fact: It is a federal felony to infringe civil rights under color of law; where death is involved, this offense carries a penalty of life in prison. Fact: Impeachment is allowable for ""high crimes and misdemeanors."" Anything that's a federal felony should qualify. Conclusion: We have NO CHOICE, if we are an honest people, but to impeach Mr. Clinton, and remove Reno from office. Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) wearer of asbestos underoos ";-1;0 "From: ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen) Subject: Fortegraph Emulator Card, what's this? Organization: Clemson University, Clemson SC Lines: 14 someone gave me this brand new card. I am thinking to sell it cuz I don't need it. but the problem is that i don't even know what this is. this was made by Forte Communications Co. it has 2 board combined together (looks wierd to me) and has 2 9 pin ports (one male and one female), and also has a round port (like BNC, not sure). this was made in 1986, and has a ""fortegraph emulator & diagnostic"" disk with it. has anyone here ever seen this or known what this is. appreciate your help in advance. eric ";-1;0 "From: lepper@logopolis.mct.anl.gov (Matt Lepper 2-5950) Subject: Help with 3C503 and NCSA Telnet Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 8 Help! I'm trying to configure NCSA Telnet v2.3.05 to work with a 3C503 ethernet board. I can use FTP fine, but whenever I attempt to use Telnet, the machine hangs with a blank screen and a blinking green cursor. Any ideas? Please e-mail: lepper@maat.mct.anl.gov mjlepper@mtu.edu ";5;1 "From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: AMA Support Brady Bill Lines: 27 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1r044aINNh9f@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes: >The following was sent to me by a friend of mine (a med student). It >originally appeared in a medical discussion list. > >--GUN CONTROL - The AMA expressed support for S. 414 and H.R. 1025 (the ""Brady >--Handgun Violence Prevention Act""). Citing its strong support for the ""Brady >--Bill"" in past Congresses, the AMA termed as ""particularly alarming"" violence >--associated with, and stemming from, the widespread and easy availability and >--use of firearms. The AMA proceeded to comment: ""While we recognize that a >--waiting period of 5 business days before a handgun purchase will not address >--all of the difficult problems that have made violence so prevalent in our >--society, we believe that it is a beginning and will save lives. Physicians >--are first-hand witnesses to the horrendous cost in human life being exacted >--by firearm violence. A reasonable waiting period before the purchase of a >--handgun is a protection that the American people deserve."" (Letters to >--Senator Howard M. Metzenbaum and Representative Charles E. Schumer; March 11, >--1993.) I wonder if the AMA has an exact listing of ""lives saved"" in Tennessee, California, and other waiting period states. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" ";-1;0 "From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell? Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century Lines: 17 XOPR131@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Gerald McPherson) writes: > If you reject the claims of Jesus, and still go to > heaven, then the joke's on me. If you reject him and go to hell, > that's no joke, but it will be final. If this is God's attitude, then I'll think I'll go along with Terry Pratchett's religious philosophy: ""Oh, I believe in God. I just don't actually _like_ the blighter."" P. -- moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza ";-1;0 "From: wyatt@chem.nrl.navy.mil (JRW) Subject: Re: Shopping for a new [NEC?] monitor Lines: 39 Organization: NRL In article <1qjfa0INN6g5@titan.ucs.umass.edu> dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd) writes: >From: dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd) >Subject: Re: Shopping for a new [NEC?] monitor >Date: 15 Apr 1993 07:01:20 -0400 >In article <1qhppp$gha@darwin.sura.net> wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes: >>Basically I'm looking for a 15"" SVGA (1024x768) non-interlaced >>monitor. The NEC 4FG is the one most of the computer mags use as >>their standard, and from what I've seen and heard it looks pretty >>good, but it's a bit expensive (700 bucks is the best deal I've seen). >>So I thought perhaps I might find something as good for less. Any >>recommendations? I also thought about the NEC 3FGx, which has the >>same specs as the 4FG except for the scan frequency, which is more >>limited; anybody have any comments on this one? Would it work with > >I believe that NEC is replacing the 4FG and 3FGx with 4FGe and 3FGe >models, reportedly being released at the end of this month. I'm >waiting for a 4FGe, the main difference being a 3 year warranty and >higher refresh rates at the higher resolutions. It sounded from a PC >Magazine note that the 3FGe was being boosted in a number of ways. >Call the NEC 800 number and have them send you info. > > >|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David M. Todd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| >|Department of Psychology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 USA| >|Phone: 413/545-0158 ___ ____ Fax: 413/545-0996| > > > > I have been using a NEC 3FGx for several months now. Several others here also have this monitor. We have had no problems. Personally I would spend extra money for this monitor and sacrifice other features on a PC such as 33 MHz viz 50 Mhz. Based on the comments of others you might want to view the 3FGX vs the 4 series on a PC running windows at 1024x768. The refresh rate appears ok for me, but you might feel differently. Finally speaking of spending money, with the size of today's files, etc, a tape backup is certainly worth $200-$300. Recently I set up a friend's PC 50Mhz and VESA local bus. The redraw time for a graphics program was only a factor of 2 faster which I doubt warrants the extra cost. ";-1;0 "From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: Motorola LPA Development Lines: 38 In article , salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) wrote: > Jeff Fenholt claims to have once been a roadie for Black Sabbath. > He was never ever a musician in the band. He was in St. Louis several > months back. The poster I saw at the Christian bookstore I frequent > really turned me off. It was addressed to all ""Homosexuals, prostitutes, > drug addicts, alcoholics, and headbangers..."" or something like that. > > Well, if I showed up with my long hair and black leather jacket I > would have felt a little pre-judged. I have seen Jeff Fenholt speak and I didn't find him judgemental. I think that the wording for that add was certainly inappropriate, but I think they were trying to say that headbangers would like the program. But I would NOT put headbangers in the same class as alcholics, etc. it is condescending. And I believe that Jeff was wearing black when I saw him. By the way, Fenholt played Jesus in Jesus Christ Superstar. Personally, I'm a headbanger at times too, but I have a hard time with what most of the secular metal groups promote. Free sex and drugs (my opinion that many promote these) aren't my thing. I HAVE found several good Christian metal groups that I like. Jon ------------------------------------------------ Jon Ogden - jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com Motorola Cellular - Advanced Products Division Voice: 708-632-2521 Data: 708-632-6086 ------------------------------------------------ They drew a circle and shut him out. Heretic, Rebel, a thing to flout. But Love and I had the wit to win; We drew a circle and took him in. ";-1;0 "From: Marc VanHeyningen Subject: RIPEM Frequently Asked Questions Content-Type: text/x-usenet-FAQ; version=1.0; title=""RIPEM FAQ"" Originator: mvanheyn@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Supersedes: <1993Jan25.113427.28926@news.cs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Expires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 00:00:00 GMT Lines: 255 Archive-name: ripem/faq Last-update: Sun, 7 Mar 93 21:00:00 -0500 ABOUT THIS POSTING ------------------ This is a (still rather rough) listing of likely questions and information about RIPEM, a program for public key mail encryption. It (this FAQ, not RIPEM) was written and will be maintained by Marc VanHeyningen, . It will be posted to a variety of newsgroups on a monthly basis; follow-up discussion specific to RIPEM is redirected to the group alt.security.ripem. This month, I have reformatted this posting in an attempt to comply with the standards for HyperText FAQ formatting to allow easy manipulation of this document over the World Wide Web. Let me know what you think. DISCLAIMER ---------- Nothing in this FAQ should be considered legal advice, or anything other than one person's opinion. If you want real legal advice, talk to a real lawyer. QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS --------------------- 1) What is RIPEM? RIPEM is a program which performs Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) using the cryptographic techniques of RSA and DES. It allows your electronic mail to have the properties of authentication (i.e. who sent it can be confirmed) and privacy (i.e. nobody can read it except the intended recipient.) RIPEM was written primarily by Mark Riordan . Most of the code is in the public domain, except for the RSA routines, which are a library called RSAREF licensed from RSA Data Security Inc. 2) How can I get RIPEM? RIPEM contains the library of cryptographic routines RSAREF, which is considered munitions and thus is export-restricted from distribution to people who are not citizens or permanent residents of the U.S. or Canada. Therefore, the following request is quoted from the README file: #Please do not export the cryptographic code in this distribution #outside of the USA or Canada. This is a personal request from me, #the author of RIPEM, and a condition of your use of RIPEM. Note that RSAREF is not in the public domain, and a license for it is included with the distribution. You should read it before using RIPEM. The best way to get it is to ask a friend for a copy, since this will reduce the load on those sites that do carry it (not to mention the humans that run them.) Naturally this requires that you trust the friend. RIPEM is available via anonymous FTP to citizens and permanent residents in the U.S. from rsa.com; cd to rsaref/ and read the README file for info. Last I looked, this site contains only the source tree, and does not contain compiled binaries or the nice Mac version. RIPEM, as well as some other crypt stuff, has its ""home site"" on rpub.cl.msu.edu, which is open to non-anonymous FTP for users in the U.S. and Canada who are citizens or permanent residents. To find out how to obtain access, ftp there, cd to pub/crypt/, and read the file GETTING_ACCESS. For convenience, binaries for many architectures are available here in addition to the full source tree. 3) Will RIPEM run on my machine? Probably. It has already been ported to MS-DOS and most flavors of Unix (SunOS, NeXT, Linux, AIX, ULTRIX, Solaris, etc.) Ports to Macintosh include a standard UNIX-style port and a rather nice Mac-like port written by Raymond Lau, author of StuffIt. More ports are expected, and help of users is invited. 4) Will RIPEM work with my mailer? Probably. How easy and clean the effective interface is will depend on the sophistication and modularity of the mailer, though. The users guide, included with the distribution, discusses ways to use RIPEM with many popular mailers, including Berkeley, mush, Elm, and MH. Code is also included in elisp to allow easy use of RIPEM inside GNU Emacs. If you make a new interface for RIPEM or create an improvement on one in the distribution which you believe is convenient to use, secure, and may be useful to others, feel free to post it to alt.security.ripem. 5) What is RSA? RSA is a crypto system which is asymmetric, or public-key. This means that there are two different, related keys: one to encrypt and one to decrypt. Because one cannot (reasonably) be derived from the other, you may publish your encryption, or public key widely and keep your decryption, or private key to yourself. Anyone can use your public key to encrypt a message, but only you hold the private key needed to decrypt it. (Note that the ""message"" sent with RSA is normally just the DES key to the real message. (See ""What is DES?"") Note that the above only provides for privacy. For authentication, the fingerprint of the message (See ""What is a fingerprint, like MD5?"") is encrypted with the sender's private key. The recipient can use the sender's public key to decrypt it and confirm that the message must have come from the sender. RSA was named for the three men (Rivest, Shamir and Adleman) who invented it. To find out more about RSA, ftp to rsa.com and look in pub/faq/ or look in sci.crypt. 6) What is DES? DES is the Data Encryption Standard, a widely used symmetric, or secret-key, crypto system. Unlike RSA, DES uses the same key to encrypt and decrypt messages. However, DES is much faster than RSA. RIPEM uses both DES and RSA; it generates a random key and encrypts your mail with DES using that key. It then encrypts that key with the recipient's public RSA key and includes the result in the letter, allowing the recipient to recover the DES key. DES is sometimes considered weak because it is somewhat old and uses a key length considered too short by modern standards. However, it should be reasonably safe against an opponent smaller than a large corporation or government agency. It is not unlikely that future RIPEMs will strengthen the symmetric cipher, possibly by using multiple encryption with DES. 7) What is PEM, and how does RIPEM relate? PEM is Privacy Enhanced Mail, a system for allowing easy transfer of encrypted electronic mail. It is described in RFCs 1421-1424; these documents have been approved and obsolete the old RFCs 1113-1115. RIPEM is not really a complete implementation of PEM, because PEM specifies certificates for authenticating keys, which RIPEM does not handle at this time. Their addition is planned. 8) What's this about distributing and authenticating keys? For a remote user to be able to send secure mail to you, she must know your public key. For you to be able to confirm that the message received came from her, you must know her public key. It is important that this information be accurate; if a ""bad guy"" convinces her that his key is in fact yours, she will send messages which he can read. RIPEM allows for three methods of key management: a central server, the distributed finger servers, and a flat file. All three are described in the RIPEM users guide which is part of the distribution. None of them provide perfect security. 9) Why do all RIPEM public keys look very similar? RIPEM public keys begin with a PKCS identifier describing various characteristics about the key, so the first bunch of characters in your key may be the same as those of lots of other people's keys. This does not mean your keys are similar, but only that they are the same class of key, were generated with the same program, are of the same length, etc. 10) What is a fingerprint, like MD5? MD5 is a message digest algorithm produced by RSA Data Security Inc. It provides a 128-bit fingerprint, or cryptographically secure hash, of the plaintext. It is cryptographically secure because it is not possible (in a reasonable amount of computation) to produce a different plaintext which produces the same fingerprint. Thus, instead of signing the entire message with the sender's private key, only the MD5 of the message needs to be signed for authentication. MD5 is sometimes used for other purposes; for example, it is often used to map an input of arbitrary length to 128 bits of data, as a passphrase interpreter or cookie generator. MD5 is described in its entirety (including an implementation in C) in RFC 1321. 11) What is PGP? PGP is another cryptographic mail program called Pretty Good Privacy. PGP has been around longer than RIPEM, and works somewhat differently. PGP is not compatible with RIPEM in any way, though PGP does also use RSA. Some major differences between PGP and RIPEM: - PGP has more key management features, particularly for users without a direct network connection. - RIPEM conforms to the PEM RFCs and thus has a greater probability of working with other PEM software. PGP makes no attempt to be compatible with anything other than PGP (in fact, PGP 1.0 is not compatible with PGP 2.0.) - RIPEM uses RSAREF, a library of RSA routines from RSA Data Security Inc. RSAREF comes with a license which allows noncommercial use. PGP uses its own implementation of RSA which is not licensed; thus, PKP, the firm holding the U.S. patents on the RSA algorithm, claims that it is a infringement of that patent to make, use or sell PGP in the U.S. or Canada. In acknowledgement of this, PGP's original author, Phil Zimmermann, says in the documentation: #In fact, if you live in the USA, and you are not a Federal agency, #you shouldn't actually run PGP on your computer, because Public #Key Partners wants to forbid you from running my software. PGP is #contraband. - Both PGP and RIPEM are export-restricted, and cannot be sent outside the U.S. and Canada. However, PGP already exists on many ftp sites in Europe and other places. Whether you use PGP or RIPEM or whatever, the documentation to PGP is recommended reading to anyone interested in such issues. Note that the above facts, both regarding patent and export restrictions, are somewhat controversial; many people think it shouldn't be that way, and some people interpret various documents differently. Unfortunately, discussions of it on the net inevitably seem to produce more heat than light, and probably belong in misc.legal.computing. (See: ""DISCLAIMER"") 12) What about RPEM? RPEM stands for Rabin Privacy Enhanced Mail. It was similar to RIPEM, but used a public-key cipher invented by Rabin (which is not RSA) in an attempt to avoid the patent on RSA. It was written by Mark Riordan, the same author as RIPEM. Its distribution was halted when, contrary to the beliefs of many (including Rabin), Public Key Partners (PKP) claimed that their patent was broad enough to cover any public-key cipher whose strength rested in the difficulty of factoring products of large primes, not just RSA. This claim is not universally accepted by any means, but was not challenged for pragmatic reasons. RPEM is not really used anymore. It is not compatible with RIPEM or PGP. 13) What is MIME? MIME stands for Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions, and is described in RFC 1341. You can find out about it in the newsgroup comp.mail.mime. How PEM should interact with MIME is not yet entirely clear; some people use the stopgap solution of having a MIME type application/x-ripem in order to send RIPEM messages as MIME ones. I hope some standards will emerge. Draft Internet documents exist on the matter. 14) I have this simple way to defeat the security of RIPEM... You may wish to check the companion post ""ripem-attacks"" which discusses some of the more obvious attacks on RIPEM's security and what procedures will minimize the risk. RIPEM's main ""weak area"" is probably key distribution. ";-1;0 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: If You Were Pat Burns ... Keywords: Leaf Wings Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 20 In article <1r1chb$5l2@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM writes: > > >What are the Leafs to do? I am a Leaf supporter and >I say the Leafs are going down in four unless there >is nothing short of a miracle or a stroke of genenius hits >Pat Burns. > >If you were Pat Burns what would you do? > Pray for the Wings to become lazy and overconfident...the Wings can only lose the series...Toronto cannot win it. Take away Doug Gilmour and the Leafs are an old Tampa Bay. The Leafs deserve a lot of credit for their diligent effort during the regular season...but if Detroit puts in a reasonable effort, this is not a contest. Gerald ";13;1 "From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: ATM Organization: AT&T Lines: 39 In article <1r1jq4$af5@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes: > >I've been reading, with much confusion, about whether or not to use >ATManager. Lately, all the packages I've been buying have all >included ATManager as a ""bonus"" >I do some desktop publishing using PageMaker and Coreldraw. >Coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff >types. Add that to the TTfonts that come with win31 and you have a >decent amount of fonts. I print my creations out on an HP4 >Postcript, at 600 dpi resolution with the ""Resolution Enhancement >Technology"" and .. well ... I get some darn good copies. >So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned >on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these >better printer technologies ... and TT? ATM will do nothing for your TrueType fonts. If your TrueType fonts are sufficient for your needs, don't run ATM. I have a lot of fonts that I can install either as Type-1 PostScript (under ATM) or as TrueType. I have noticed that: 1. TrueType font files are at least 1/3 larger than their Type-1 equivalents. If you are using a disk compressor, though, be aware that TrueType fonts will compress, whereas Type-1 fonts will not (they are encrypted). 2. With a 300 dpi laser printer, the ""artificial bold"" version of a TrueType font is indistingishable from the original, forcing me to install the actual bold (and bold-italic, etc.) variants if I want to use them. Type-1 PostScript fonts under ATM generate a visually distinct bold variant from the base font. I realize that the artificial bold font that ATM generates is aesthetically inferior to the hand-generated bold TrueType variant, but it is sufficient for my needs, and not having to install bold variants saves me 50% on disk space (uncompressed). -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com ";6;1 "From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: The wiretap chip, clones, and secure key-exchange Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 33 U23590@uicvm.uic.edu writes: >The cryptographic algorythm MUST be kept secret, or >private individuals could make ClipperClones with >which they could transmit messages which the feds would not have >ready access to. Not necessarily. I've been thinking about this, and if this chip/scheme is to provide any real security, there must be some sort of key exchange, either using a public-key encryption scheme, or using a key exchange scheme like Diffie-Hellman. If there's an out-of-band transmission of a shared session key, then what protects that band from eavesdropping? If the phone company or some other online central authority generates a session key and sends it to both users, then what's the point of going to the trouble of having some complicated key-depositories? Just ask the phone company for a copy of the session key for each call. Now, it's probably not practical for each user to keep an online copy of every public key used by anyone anywhere, right? So, probably, there will be some way of getting these keys verified. This might be a digitally- signed (by the chip manufacturer) copy of the public key in this unit, stored by this unit. It might also be an online directory with access to everyone's public keys. (This would introduce another weakness to the security of the scheme, of course.) Presumably, if you don't use your designated key, you can't get a verified connection to other standard chips. It might be useful to have a modified chip, which would allow you to use either the original public/private key pair, or some other key pair and verification scheme. Unfortunately, this would not allow you to call most people and establish secure communications.... --John Kelsey >I hope somebody starts doing this soon after the first >ones are released... ";-1;0 "From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES) Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 42 muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes: >Considering that Clinton received a draft notice and got out of it (he admits it) the political feasibility of him abolishing it is not something he would >be inclined to risk any extra exposure on. As a libertarian (with a small l) who voted for Clinton, I think that he should abolish the Selective Service and the draft. If his conscience forbade him to go to war in Vietnam, it should forbid him to perpetuate this system of government-sanctioned slavery. >Agreed. Congress took money from NASA and FHA to fund the second Seawolf. >The shipyards are still building Los Angeles Class submarines and there >is a lack of ASW foes to contend with. The Navy is considering reducing >the number of attack subs to 40 (Navy Times) and that would entail >getting rid of or mothballing some of the current Los Angeles class. >Politically, General Dynamics is in Connecticut and we will get >Seawolf subs whether we need them or not. If our government would pay attention to SERIOUS domestic issues (the ECONOMY) and choose to stay out of other people's wars (Iraq, Bosnia, Somalia), we would not be in this fix. An anyway, couldn't the jobs be replaced by improving our domestic situation? (I'm not for continued deficit spending, but if Clinton and Congress want to spend, I'd rather they improve the infrastructure than fight other people's wars.) >In addition, more bases need to be closed. Probably Long Beach Naval Station >and others. The Navy is talking about three main bases on each coast being >required to home port a total fleet of 320 ships. >The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down >a pork happy Congress. A novel idea: Getting away from naval bases, what about refurbishing decommissioned Air Force bases as airports? This would be SO much cheaper than building them from the ground up (Denver's new airport is one of the most appalling examples of pork-barreling and cronyism I have seen in my lifetime). Even if no more airports are needed, I'm sure Bill Gates or Ross Perot would LOVE to have their own private airfields, and the money from their purchases could be applied to the public debt. >Jon Dunn< * All E-mail flames will be deleted without reading * ";-1;0 "From: joshuaf@yang.earlham.edu Subject: Re: TIFF -> Anything?! Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr23.033843.26854@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes: > There is a program called Graphic Workshop you can FTP from > wuarchive. The file is in the msdos/graphics directory and > is called ""grfwk61t.zip."" This program should od everthing > you need. > > -- > > TMC > (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca) THANKS! It did work, and it is just what I needed thanks... Joshuaf ";-1;0 "From: jdhuse@sedona.intel.com (Jon Dhuse~) Subject: a strange problem with text Organization: Intel Corporation Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tasmania.intel.com Originator: jdhuse@sedona Hello, I am testing a port of X11R5 to Coherent, a unix clone OS for Intel architecture machines. I am seeing a strange problem with text in clients like xvt (a simple terminal emulator program). The problem manifests it self when the shell echoes typed characters back to the server for display, one at a time. The characters appear to be too closely spaced, with the result being that the 2nd character echoed destroys the rightmost edge of the first character, then the 3rd character destroys the rightmost edge of the second character, and so on. It looks like there is an invisible boundary around a character which obscures a portion of the previous character. There is no problem between the characters when the shell returns a complete line of text... only when the output is a series of individual characters. If anyone has any ideas what the problem might be, or where I should look to find it, it would be much appreciated. Regards and thanks, Jon Dhuse. -- Jon Dhuse | Internet: jdhuse@sedona.intel.com Intel Corp. CH3-69 | Phone: (602)-554-2685 5000 W. Chandler Blvd. | Any opinions expressed are my own, Chandler, AZ 85226 | not my employer's. ";-1;0 "From: hfeldman@infoserv.com (Howard MITCHell Feldman) Subject: Re: Need longer filenames Organization: Mind's Eye, Inc. Lines: 18 X-Mailer: TMail version 1.13 In <1993Apr19.211044.28763@guinness.idbsu.edu>, lhighley@gozer.idbsu.edu (Larry Paul Highley) wrote: > > > Is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than > the standard 8.3 format. If so please email me. please e-mail me too, thanks ...howard hfeldman@infoserv.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Howard Feldman Mind's Eye, Inc. ";-1;0 "From: edmahood@infoserv.com (Ed Mahood, Jr.) Subject: Re: Greek myth and the Bible Organization: Writer Lines: 28 X-Mailer: TMail version 1.13 In , Pegasus@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Laurie EWBrandt) wrote: > > [irrelevant inserts from previous postings deleted] > > A definiation from a text book used as part of an introductory course in > social anthorpology ""The term myth designates traditionally based, dramatic > narratives on themes that emphasize the nature of humankind's relationship > to nature and to the supernatural. ... legends are ususally defined as > tales concerning other times and places that do not give the same extensive > emphasis to supernatural themes. Legends, more often than myths, are retold > purely as entertainment."" from Peter B. Hammand's .An introduction to > Cutural and Social Anthropology. second ed Macmillion page 387. This makes > the Bible a Fibber Magee's closet, over stuffed with a little bit of every > thing gleened by a wandering people. > Pegasus Now doesn't this sound a lot like the ""colorful (or otherwise) story from antiquity that somehow tries to (or does) explain natural pheno- mena""? I think I hear what you're saying, but I'm not convinced that I know what you mean. The possibility exists that what _looks_ like ""myth"" on the surface may be after all much more than ""just"" a story. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ed mahood, jr. < edmahood@infoserv.com > ";-1;0 "From: sjp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steve Phillips) Subject: Re: Ford and the automobile Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5 Lines: 14 : Ford and his automobile. I need information on whether Ford is : partially responsible for all of the car accidents and the depletion of : the ozone layer. Also, any other additional information will be greatly : appreciated. Thanks. : SSSSSoooooooooooo!!!!! Its all HIS fault!! Thank God Louis Chevrolet is innocent! and that guy Diesel, HE otto feel guilty! -- Stephen Phillips Atlanta Response Center Atlanta, Ga. Home of the Braves! ";-1;0 "From: walljm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Wall) Subject: Incredible Car...Incredible Price Article-I.D.: mentor.C52vIy.8Do Distribution: usa Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 18 My brother is preparing to pay another year of college expenses and asked me to post this. 1987 Alfa Romeo Gold Milano Model V-6 Engine Power Everything! Seats 4 comfortably Looks / runs great $3,600 O.B.O. Contact: Brian Wall (214) 393-1216 if interested (Dallas Area) ";-1;0 "From: hovnania@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Paul Hovnanian) Subject: Re: Re: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it? Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 30 >: In response to a post about SUV's, I got several unsolicited recommendations to >: check out the Land Cruiser, despite its astronomical price. >: The Toyota dealer told me it's a ""cult car"". >: If a car is good enough to create a passionate and loyal following, there >: must be something really extraordinary about it. >: So, all you Land Crusher Cultists - here is your chance to convert me. >: >: -- >: Jonathan Edwards edwards@intranet.com >: IntraNet, Inc 617-527-7020 Based on my experience with a '79 FJ40 ( the hard-top jeep-style model ) I would definitely give a new model consideration if I were in the market. The older models are VERY well built. Unless Toyota lost its mind, I would assume, until proven otherwise, that the newer models have inherited some if not all of the qualities of their ancestors. Two major differences in the running gear (that I'm aware of) need study. My '79 has a solid front axle housing whereas the newer models have independant front suspension. The solid axle is theoretically stronger and more reliable than the newer model, but only experience will tell. The independant front suspension is, no doubt, a compromise made to satisfy the typical user, who will never need a real utility vehicle. The second difference is the type of transfer case used on the newer models. I'm not sure, but I think Tioyota went to a full-time 4WD or all-wheel drive system. The older Landcruisers have a ""lock-up"" type. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Paul Hovnanian hovnania@atc.boeing.com [Std disclaimers apply] ";-1;0 "From: sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Shaun P. Hughes) Subject: Who should be hearing my views on Clipper ? Organization: San Francisco State University Distribution: na Lines: 18 Being a browser of this group for some time, and being very concerned about the clipper chip proposal, I am hoping someone with more knowledge can help out. Who would be the most influential people to write to, protesting the obvious next step hinted at by this proposal ? (Heads of what committees, etc.) What are the major flaws in the plan ? (From a cryptological standpoint) -- Shaun P. Hughes ""Facts are Stupid Things."" sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu Ronald Reagan Republican National Finger for PGP 2.2 Public Key Convention 1988 ";-1;0 "From: moy@cae.wisc.edu (Howard Moy) Subject: Madison WI summer sublet Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Distribution: uwix Lines: 35 Downtown FURNISHED Summer Sublet May 15 thru Aug 15 Great location at: 215 N. Frances St. & Johnson St. (Across Witte) Near Nitty Gritty & Near Howard Johnson Near State Street & Near South East Dorms Near University Square & Near SERF Two bedroom Your own spacious room (the larger!) Laundry available Parking available Bathroom Kitchen Large Closet Dual Desks Just pay for electricity (~$7/month) Asking $500 for whole summer! Send inquiries to: Howard 608-255-6379 moy@cae.wisc.edu -- -Howard _________________________________________________________ ! Howard Moy ! ! (608) 255-6379 ! ";-1;0 "From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Canadians - another Stanley Cup Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 37 In article <93097.094815MECE7187@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes: >Im sorry to tell you this, but unless they pull off another 1986 miracle, there > is no way the HABS will win this year. Ever since they traded for >Ramage, and since Savard came off injury, they have been playing shinny. And >you cant blame Roy for the 4-0 loss to Washington, when 20 players could not >score one goal. I know, you think >I am a Boston fan, but all of my years have been dedicated to Les HABS. >David Degan Well, it seems that the Habs have been much talked-about of late, so here's my $0.02. These guys have absolutely no concept of how to play in front of the damn net!!! Watch them in the offensive zone, especially on the powerplay. Damphousse or Lebeau will skate all over the bloody zone, maybe pass to the point, get it back, skate some more, pass it around....BUT WHERE'S THE SHOT??! Answer: the shot is totally useless because they lack a forward who stands in front of the net a la` Neely, Shanahan, Tocchet, etc etc. Too bad Demers won't put Dipietro or LeClair on the powerplay more often. Dammit, even Ewen would at least cause some disruptions. Montreal desperately needs a power forward with some talent, IMO. Then watch them in their own zone. Patrick Roy is screened on everything. Say what you want about his performance; IMNSHO he cannot stop what he cannot see. And Montreal's defence does a miserable job of clearing the front of the net. Last night against Washington Roy played a *great* game. The first goal came on the most ridiculous goalmouth scramble I've seen in a long time, and he didn't have a hope in hell of stopping the shot. The second goal came on a deflection of a shot he only partially saw anyway. Pathetic defence. The third goal was EN. No wonder he gets pissed off at his defencemen. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca ";-1;0 "From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 23 In article rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) writes: >First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing >policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew/mission? I don't think they're paying for it. >Do us a favor. Resign rather than right this paper for NASA. Go >do useful work for the society. Useful? I find his estimate of the annual value to law enforcement of $5 million quite useful, if rough (e.g. wiretaps may be preferentially used on otherwise-hard-to-catch criminals, resulting in an underestimate). This comes to twenty cents a head over the U.S. population. I would find some rigorous numbers on this quite useful -- it would make for nice slogans: ""Your privacy is worth $0.37"", or whatever it turns out to be. >Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu ";-1;0 "From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: Immotile Cilia Syndrome Article-I.D.: pitt.19423 Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 31 In article <1993Mar26.213522.26224@ncsu.edu> andrea@unity.ncsu.edu (Andrea M Free-Kwiatkowski) writes: >I would like to know if there is any new information out there about the >subject or any new studies being conducted. I am confident in my >pediatrician and her communication with the people in Chapel Hill, but >since this is a life-long disorder and genetically transferred I would >like keep current. I do realize that since this is a relatively new >disorder (first documented in 1974 in a fertility clinic in Scandanavia) >and is therefore ""controversial"". I do not know a lot about this, except from seeing one patient with ""Kartagener's syndrome"", which is a form of immotile cilia syndrome in which there is situs inversus, bronchiectasis, and chronic infections. ""Situs inversus"" means that organs are on the wrong side of the body, and can be complete or partial. It is interesting medically because the normal location of organs is caused in part by the ""normal"" rotation associated with ciliary motion, so that in absence of this, laterality can be ""random."" People with situs inversus are quite popular at medical schools, because of their rarity, and the fact that most doctors get a bit upset when they can't find the patient's heart sounds (because they're on the wrong side). According to Harrison's, immotile cilia syndrom is an autosomal recessive, which should imply that on average one child in four in a family would be affected. But there may be much more current information on this, and as usual in medicine, we may be talking about more than one conditiion. I would suggest that you ask your pediatrician about contacting a medical geneticics specialist, of which there is probably one at NCSU. -km ";-1;0 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr22.164801.7530@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: > Hmmm. I seem to recall that the attraction of solid state record- >players and radios in the 1960s wasn't better performance but lower >per-unit cost than vacuum-tube systems. > I don't think so at first, but solid state offered better reliabity, id bet, and any lower costs would be only after the processes really scaled up. pat ";-1;0 "From: lee@tosspot.sv.com (Lee Reynolds) Subject: Help with Magitronic 8 bit memory card needed! Organization: Ludus Associates, Incorporated. Lines: 16 Hi! I'm busy resurrecting some old machines (hey, they're cheap and they work :)) and would be grateful for any help with the following card - Magitronic - full length 8 bit memory only card. Has room for 8 rows of 256K dips for a total of 2MB RAM. Has an 8 position dip switch on it, presumably for addressing. Does any kind soul out there have any docs or drivers for this beast? I'd be disgustingly grateful. Thanks, Lee. (lee@tosspot.sv.com) ";5;1 "From: sdexter@shl.com (Scott Dexter) Subject: Isuzu Amigo opinions wanted.... Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc. Lines: 27 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: technet1.shl.com Is there anyone out there in NetLand that has/has had one of these? Can someone give me a non-Consumer Reports review (or point me to a source) ??? Thanks Scott ----------------------- sdexter@ucrengr.ucr.edu Computer Science Undergraduate, University of California, Riverside Internet : 138.23.166.21 sdexter@technet1.shl.com Facilities Engineer, SHL SystemHouse, Inc. ,Technology Network Internet : 192.75.61.2 "" You say its gonna happen ""now"" What exactly do you mean? You see I've already waited too long, And all my hope is gone "" - The Smiths ";10;1 "From: hungjenc@phakt.usc.edu (Hung-Jen Chen) Subject: Forsale Sony D-22 discman Article-I.D.: phakt.1pqnsjINNlmd Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu Sony D-22 portable Diskman forsale Good condition, flawless. Costomer AC adapter : 6v DC power supply ( tested 9v DC) * The factory adapter was tested 12v DC (AC 110v input) at the time I bought it three years ago. When using it, a lot of heat was generated inside the CD machine. Of course I wouldn't use it to risk this baby's life. Maybe that's why so many owners always complain about their portable machine going kaput after a short time usage. * 9v DC factory suggested LED display asking $ 55 plus shipping, contact Harry if interested ";-1;0 "From: Amruth Laxman Subject: Surviving Large Accelerations? Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu Hi, I was reading through ""The Spaceflight Handbook"" and somewhere in there the author discusses solar sails and the forces acting on them when and if they try to gain an initial acceleration by passing close to the sun in a hyperbolic orbit. The magnitude of such accelerations he estimated to be on the order of 700g. He also says that this is may not be a big problem for manned craft because humans (and this was published in 1986) have already withstood accelerations of 45g. All this is very long-winded but here's my question finally - Are 45g accelerations in fact humanly tolerable? - with the aid of any mechanical devices of course. If these are possible, what is used to absorb the acceleration? Can this be extended to larger accelerations? Thanks is advance... -Amruth Laxman ";-1;0 "From: kreyling@lds.loral.com (Ed Kreyling 6966) Subject: Sun-os and 8bit ASCII graphics Organization: Loral Data Systems Distribution: comp.graphics Lines: 7 I would like to know if anyone has had any luck using the upper 128 ASCII characters on a Sun station. I am trying to convert a fortran program to run on a Sun. When we write character buffers to the Sun which contain char(218) or char(196) or char(197) etc. We get characters on the screen but they are not the characters in the standard ASCII tables. Any ideas or help will be appreciated. ";-1;0 "From: jdz1@Ra.MsState.Edu (John D. Zitterkopf) Subject: Info: NEC70001AB Amp. IC & ~20W AMP secs & possible PSPICE models Keywords: Audio, AMPS Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 40 Hi, Being a Electronic Engineering Student with only Electronic II under my belt, I find myself *needing* to build a moderate wattage Audio Amp. So, I'll throw out a couple of question for the vast knowledge of the 'net'! Please Explain how Watts are calculated in Audio Amp circuits. No, Not P=I*E, Just how it relates to one of the following: Ai [Current Gain] Av [Voltage Gain] Ap [Power Gain] or whatever. I already have a ?wonderful? cheap I.E <$20 schematic for a 20W amp, but I would like to Cross/improve the circuit. The problem is that the parts list has IC1 and IC2 as NEC70001AB amplifiers. They look like ?11 pin? SIP packages with a heatsink. This schematic was published in a 1991 mag so it may be non-existant now. Anyway, I tried looking up a replacement in the latest Digi-key Cat and found it not listed 8(. The closes I could figure was a 9 pin SIP as TDA1520BU. Anyone got any Ideas? I thought, hey I can rin a PSPICE simulation using 741 opamp models. Yea, great! It worked. But, I guess the 741 wasn't made for High power amps. As a result, I got a Voltage gain of ~15mV/V. Worse than I started with 8(... Does anyone have a PSPICE CKT file with cheap yet good gain? How about some models for some of the chips listed in this E-mail? Any ASCII Chip info you guys can send me? I'm open to Suggestions/Ideas/Comments/Help! Please E-mail since I have little time to search the News... And I'll post if there's and interest! John -- ____________ _------_ |||IBM & | EE majors Do it Best 8-) --------\\ ] ~-______-~ |||Atari |~~~~~~~~~John D. Zitterkopf~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (~~~~~\\|_(__ ~~ / | \Rules!jdz1@ra.MsState.edu jdz1@MsState.bitnet \______| ( / | \ |AOL: zitt@aol.com jdz1@isis.MsState.edu ";11;1 "From: mjuric@aisun1.ai.uga.edu (Mark Juric [MSAI]) Subject: Printer security Keywords: printers, security We are being attacked by midnight, phantom printer users, who rack up 100s If there are any utilities that allow multiple passwords for access to the Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun1.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 8 @===@ @===@ ### Mark Juric A.I. Programs ### ### mjuric@ai.uga.edu University of Georgia ### ### Athens, Georgia 30602 ### @===@ @===@ ";-1;0 "From: hsteve@carina.unm.edu () Subject: Re: interface to access separate appl. Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu In article <9304121644.AA27256@expo.lcs.mit.edu> DBOHDAL@JAGUAR.ESS.HARRIS.COM writes: Does anybody know of a program that converts .GIF files to .BMP files SZ>and if so, where can I ftp it from? Any help would be greatly SZ>appreciated. Sure... A GREAT shareware program is Graphic Workshop (the newest version is 6.1). Although I don't know where you can ftp it from. It also converts to about 15 other formats, and does MANY other things. ....r.c V.t.ell. .r... --- . DeLuxe./386 1.25 #959sa . My Address: eric.vitiello@tfd.coplex.com ";-1;0 "From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin) Subject: 1.2MB external FD for PS/2(extremely cheap) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 11 Subject: 1.2 External FD for PS/2 (extremely cheap) I have a brand new 1.2 external floppy drive for PS/2, still in the box. I will sell it for $90 + shipping/firm, which is half of the market price (check page 474 of Computer Shopper, Apr-93 issue, the price is $179 there). Please let me know if you are interested. Ailin 803-654-8817 ";-1;0 "From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling) Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550) Article-I.D.: crdnns.C52M30.5yI Reply-To: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling) Organization: GE Corp R&D Center, Schenectady NY Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: azores.crd.ge.com In article <1993Apr4.135829.28141@pro-haven.cts.com>, shadow@pro-haven.cts.com writes: |>In <1993Apr3.094509.11448@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> |>asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes: |> |>% By the way, the short-lived Zephyr is essentially a GpZ 550, |> |>Why was the ""Zephyr"" discontinued? I heard something about a problem with |>the name, but I never did hear anything certain... Ford had an anemic mid-sized car by that name back in the last decade. I rented one once. That car would ruin the name ""Zephyr"" for any other use. Rod --- Roderick Sprattling | No job too great, no time too small sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com | With feet to fire and back to wall. ";7;1 "From: marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) Subject: Re: ASTROS FOR REAL? Organization: IBM, Austin Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr15.234838.4138@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_millerwl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: >WHO THINKS THE ASTROS ARE GOING PLACES??? >THEY'RE CURRENTLY FIRST PLACE. >THEY'RE 5-4, 5-1 ON THE ROAD! I AGREE, LUMBERJACK (except that they're in 2nd)! They ARE going PLACES - San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Miami, Philadelphia, New York, Montreal, Pittsburgh, Chicago, St. Louis...and points in between. :-) But, THEY'RE 0-3 AT HOME! I'm just not used to an overly enthusiastic Houston fan. I really shouldn't discourage it, so HANG IN THERE, LUMBERJACK! (But, get ahold of that shift key, will ya?) ObBase: Apparently the new owner (Drayton McLain (sp?)) doesn't particularly like excuses. An item in our paper (the Austin American-Statesman - ""If you read it here, it was somewhere else first"") said that he wouldn't take injuries as an excuse for losing because that possibility should have been accounted for. Uh, oh. I don't want an owner that'll keep everybody on edge - I'd never gotten that feeling about him, but who knows? Does anybody down there in the Houston area have a feel for how meddling of an owner McLain is going to be? -- Marc Stephenson IBM AWS (Advanced Workstations & Systems - Austin,TX) DISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position. INTERNET->marc@austin.ibm.com VNET: MARC at AUSVMQ IBM T/L: 678-3189 ";-1;0 "From: jer@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (rathmann,janice e) Subject: Re: Sinus vs. Migraine (was Re: Sinus Endoscopy) Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Summary: Headaches and analgesics Lines: 95 I noticed several years ago that when I took analgesics fairly regularly, (motrin at the time), I seemed to get a lot of migraines. But had forgotten about that until I started reading some of the posts here. I generally don't take NSAIDS or Tylenol for headaches, because I've found them to be ineffective. However, I have two other pain sources that force me to take NSAIDS (currently Naprosyn). First, is some pelvic pain that I get at the beginning of my period, and then much worse at midcycle. I have had surgery for endometriosis in the past (~12 years ago), so the Drs. tell me that my pain is probably due to the endometriosis coming back. I've tried Synarel, it reduced the pain while I took it (3 mos), but the pain returned immediately after I stopped. Three doctors have suggested hysterectomy as the only ""real solution"" to my problem. Although I don't expect to have any more children, I don't like the idea of having my uterus and one remaining ovary removed (the first ovary was removed when I had the surgery for endometriosis). One of the Drs that suggested I get a hysterectomy is an expert in laser surgery, but perhaps thinks that type of procedure is only worthwhile on women who still plan to have children. So basically all I'm left with is toughing out the pain. This would be impossible without Naprosyn (or something similar - but not aspirin, that doesn't work, and Motrin gave me horrible gastritis a few years ago, so I'm through with it). In fact, Naprosyn works very well at eliminating the pain if I take it regularly as I did when I had severe back pain (and pain in both legs) as I'll discuss in a moment. Generally though, I wait until I have the pain before I take the Naprosyn, but then it takes several hours for it reduce the pain (it's actually quite effective at reducing the pain, it just takes quite a while). In the meantime I'm frequently in severe pain. The other pain source I have is chronic lower back pain resulting in bilateral radiculopathy. I've had MRIs, Xrays, CT scan, and EMGs (I've had 2 of them, and don't intend to ever do that again) with nerve conduction tests. The tests have not been conclusive as to what is causing my back and leg pain. The MRI reports both say I have several bulging, degeneratig disks, and from the Xrays (and MRI, I think) it is apparent that I have arthritis. The reading on the CT scan was that there are two herniations (L3-L4, and L4-L5), but others hav looked at the films and concluded that there are no herniations. The second EMG and nerve conduction studies shows significant denervation compared to the first EMG. Oh yeah, I had some other horrible test, called something like Somatic Evoked Response which showed that the ""internal nerves"" are working fine. Anyway, the bottom line is that I sometimes have severe pain in both legs and back pain. The back pain is there all the time, but I can live with it. When the leg pain is there, I need some analgesic/anti-inflammatory medication to reduce the pain to a level where I can work. So I took Naprosyn regulary for 6-9 months (every time I tried to stop the leg pain got worse, so I'd always resume). Since last November I have taken it much less frequently, and primarily for the pelvic pain. I have been going to physical therapy for the last 8 months (2-3 times a week). After the first month or so, my therapist put me on pelvic traction (she had tried it earlier, but it had caused a lot of pain in my back, this time she tried it at a lower weight). After a month or two, the pain in my legs began going away (but the traction aways caused discomfort in my lower back, which could be reduced with ultrasound and massage). So now, I don't have nearly as much pain in my legs, in fact my therapist took me off traction about 2 weeks ago. Getting back to my original reason for this post... Even if I can avoid taking analgesic for headaches, I really can't avoid them entirely because I have other pain sources, that ""force"" me to use them (Oh, I forgot to mention that it has been suggested to me that I have back surgery, but I'm avoiding that too). I find the migraines difficult to deal with, occassionally I have to take off work, but usually I can work, but at a reduced capacity (I'm a systems engineer and do a lot of reading and writing). When the pelvic pain is bad, I can't concentrate much, I usually end up jumping out of my chair every few minutes, because the pain is so bothersome. When the pain in my back is bad, it can cause severe burning in both legs, shooting pains in my legs, electric shock type of pain in my feet and toes, and basically when it gets bad I can't really sit at all. Then I end up spending most of my time home and in bed. So even if the analgesics contribute to the migraines, the migraines are more tolerable than the other pain sources. I get a lot of migraines, an average of 3 to 4 a month, which last 1-3 days. I've taken cafergot (the first time the caffiene really got to me so I reduced the dosage), but I don't like the side effects (if I take more than two I get diahrea). If I get a very bad headache, I will eventually take the cafergot. My neurologist wasn't very helpful when I told him my problems with cafergot, he said that when sumatriptan becomes available, I should try that. I've tried several other medications (fiornal, midrin, fiornal with codeine, tegretol, and inderal) but they either didn't work, or I couldn't tolerate them. So what can I do? My doctor's seem to be satisfied with me just trying to tolerate the pain, which I agree with most of the time, but not when I have a lot of pain. I've had some bad experiences with surgery (my heart stopped once from the anesthesia - I was told that it was likely the succinylcholine), and I've already had surgery several times. Anyway, the point of what I'm saying is that even if analgesics can contribute to migraines, some people NEED to take them to tolerate other pain. Janice Rathmann ";4;1 "From: samson@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (Mark Samson) Subject: Psygnosis CD-I titles (was Re: Rumours about 3DO ???) Reply-To: samson@prlhp1.UUCP (Mark Samson) Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Redhill, UK Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr20.130854.27039@rchland.ibm.com> ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado) writes: > > Anyway, still with 15Mhz, you need sprites for a lot of tricks for >making cool awesome games (read psygnosis). Speaking of Psygnosis, they have licensed games to Philips Interative Media International for CD-I. The following was recently posted in a message in the CD-I section of the Multimedia Forum. ""Seventh Guest has been licensed by Virgin Games to Philips Interactive Media International for worldwide CD-I rights. Were also licensed to P.I.M.I. Litil Divil from Gremlin Graphics (UK) and Microcosm from Psygnosis (UK). Those three titles will be adapted on CD-I using the full potential of the FMV cartridge, meaning, using the additional memory as well as the motion video capabilities. Those titles have been negociated in Europe but will be available worldwide. Also, Lemmings 1 & 2 have been licensed from Psygnosis, as well as Striker Soccer from Rage (UK)."" I don't know when these titles will be available or when work on them even started (so don't expect your CD-I retailer to have them yet). There was also some mention of future Nintendo CD-I games in an issue of the UK magazine ERT - Mario Hotel was mentioned as having 75 levels. Mark [Although I work for Philips, I don't work on CD-I or multimedia. The above info is just provided in good faith from what I've read and does not represent any statement from Philips] ****************************************************************************** Mark Samson: Information Technology Group, Philips Research Laboratories, Cross Oak Lane, Redhill, Surrey RH1 5HA Tel(my Ext): 0293 815387 Tel(labs): 0293 785544 Telex: 877261 Fax: 0293 776495 Email:- SERI: samson@prlhp0 UNIX: samson@prl.philips.co.uk Binary files: packages@prlhp0 ****************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: andrew.payne@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Andrew Payne) Subject: WANTED: TCM3105 chips, small quantities Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: andrew.payne@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Andrew Payne) Keywords: rec mod Summary: Reposted by Keith Petersen Lines: 29 From: payne@crl.dec.com (Andrew Payne) Message-ID: <1993Apr20.004418.11548@crl.dec.com> Organization: DEC Cambridge Research Lab Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 00:44:18 GMT Does anyone know if a source for the TCM3105 modem chips (as used in the Baycom and my PMP modems)? Ideally, something that is geared toward hobbyists: small quantity, mail order, etc. For years, we've been buying them from a distributor (Marshall) by the hundreds for PMP kits. But orders have dropped to the point where we can no longer afford to offer this service. And all of the distributors I've checked have some crazy minimum order ($100, or so). I'd like to find a source for those still interested in building PMP kits. Any suggestions? -- Andrew C. Payne DEC Cambridge Research Lab --- . R110B:Wnet HAL_9000 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | ";-1;0 "From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: Patient-Physician Diplomacy Article-I.D.: pitt.19422 Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 22 In article hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes: >In article <188@ky3b.UUCP> km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes: > >>Ditto. Disease is a great leveling experience, however. Some people >>are very much afronted to find out that all the money in the world >>does not buy one health. Everyone looks the same when they die. > >If money does not buy one health, why are we talking about paying >for medical expenses for those not currently ""adequately covered""? Herman, I would think you of all people would/could distinguish between ""health"" and ""treatment of disease."" All the prevention medicine people preach this all the time. You cannot buy health. You can buy treatment of disease, assuming you are lucky enough to have a disease which can be treated. A rich person with a terminal disease is a bit out of luck. There is no such thing as ""adequately covered"" and there never will be. And for what it's worth, I'll be the first to admit that all my patients die. -km ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: HELP 8088/80286 ADVICE Lines: 11 I own an 8088 640K clone which does all I want except run 1 game I want to buy. The game says it requires a 80286 with 640K. Game tech. support says game will run on 8088 but uses a some digitized graphics which would make it run really *slow* (it's a card game - Hoyles Classic Card Games, digitized graphics are photos artwork of game fictional card players). What can I do to speed up how this game would run, short of an 80286 motherboard upgrade. Co-processor? Accelerator card mimicking 80286? My 8088 can run at 10 Mhz. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Gil (guf@psuvm.psu.edu) ";-1;0 "From: s106275@ee.tut.fi (Anssi Saari) Subject: Re: 80386 and 80486: What's the difference? Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 38 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.tut.fi In joedal@dfi.aau.dk (Lars Joedal) writes: >Except from clock frequency, what are the differences between the >various types of 386 and 486 processors? >The following is a list with what I know (or perhaps only what I >think I know!). Can anybody extend & correct? >80386: True 32 bit processor. > (cache?) No cache. >80386SX: Emulates 80386 with a 16 bit bus. >80486: True 32 bit processor. > Internal mathematical coprocessor (Correct?) Correct. > Internal cache (Correct? How big?) 8kB. > (extended instruction set in any way?) Was it six instructions? >80486SX: Probably sorta like 80486... 80486DX without the mathematical coprocessor (FPU). >80486DX: Probably sorta like 80386... Actually, the 80486 you described above is 80486DX. (There is no separate 80486 nor 80386, either). This is for Intel processors. Does anyone have a complete list with Cyrix and Ibm products? Anssi -- Anssi Saari s106275@ee.tut.fi Tampere University of Technology Finland, Europe ";-1;0 "From: rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui) Subject: A Question I Do Not Found In FAQ Reply-To: rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil Organization: NAVSWC DD White Oak Det. Lines: 52 I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function drawed a line as below fingure: width = 300 ================================ | | | | | p1 | | \ | | \ | height = 300 | \ | | \ | | \ | | \ | | \ | | \|p3 | | |===============================| \ \ p2 I created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300. But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800). My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3. x3 = 300; @ = art tan (( 800 - 100)/(500 - 270)) = 71.81 degrees; y3 = 100 + x3/tan(@) = 100 + 300/tan(71.81) = 198.58 ~= (integer) 199. How do I prove XDrawLine() give me the right x3, y3 or not? Please don't ask me why I don't created a 900x900 pixmap. No, I don't wan to. Thanks in advance! -- Raymond H. Chui NSWC N62 10901 New Hampshire Ave. Silver Spring, MD 20903-5000 U.S.A. Voice:1(301)394-3807 Ext. 45 FAX:1(301)394-4483 EMail:rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil _ __ _ , __ ' ) ) / ' ) / / ) / /--' __. , , ____ ______ __/ /--/ / /_ . . o / \_(_(_(_/_/) ) )_(_) /) )_(_(_ / ( o (__/ / /_(_/_(_ / ' ";-1;0 "From: dick@ahold.nl (Dick Heijne) Subject: Is TEK quitting Xterm activities ??? Organization: Ahold NV, Zaandam, Netherlands, EEC Lines: 13 I caught up a mailmessage from an NCD guy, who stated that Tek might be quitting it's X terminal activities and would be looking for an interested buyer. Since the source of this message is NCD, THIS MIGHT ONLY BE NASTY GOSSIP !!! Can anyone say more about this?? Dick. -- +==============================Ahold NV===============================+ | Room 146 , Ankersmidplein 2, 1506 CK Zaandam, The Netherlands, EEC | | Dick.Heijne@ccsds.ahold.nl - Tel: +31 75 592151, Fax: +31 75 313030 | +=====================================================================+ ";12;1 "From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: RE: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor) Organization: The Internet Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, dyoung@media.mit.edu # #I'm trying to write some code that lets me draw lines and do rubber-band #boxes in Motif/X. I'm running on an 8-bit display for which I've created a #colormap and am using almost all of the colors. I want to draw the lines #in a drawing area widget -- a widget in which I'm displaying a bitmap using #XPutImage(). If doesn't matter if the lines I draw interactively stay #around when the window is refreshed. # #Currently, to draw interactively, I begin with: # # /* drawIndex is an colortable index I reserve for the Foreground */ # /* my_default_bg_color is the color index for the background of my image */ # palette_colors[drawIndex].red = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].red; # palette_colors[drawIndex].green = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].green; # palette_colors[drawIndex].blue = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].blue; # XStoreColors( myDisplay, my_cmap, &palette_colors[DrawIndex], 1); # XFlush( myDisplay); # # XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor); # XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex); # #Then to draw I do: # # XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2); # XFlush( myDisplay); # #And when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do: # # XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy); # # #What I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of #whatever I'm drawing over. Instead what happens is I get white lines. If #the lines are over a white background - nothing shows up. If the lines are #over a black area - nothing shows up! It's very strange. But the GXxor #function seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and #redraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image). # #Any suggestions what I'm doing wrong? # I believe for this to work on a color display you must set the foreground of the GC to be (foreground^background). Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long ";-1;0 "From: (Austin Jacobs) Subject: BOB KNEPPER WAS DAMN RIGHT! Nntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: University of Yaleta Lines: 17 Don't you GUYS think so? I mean, c'mon! What the heck are women doing even THINKING of getting into baseball. They cause so many problems. Just look at Lisa Olson. Remember that feisty reporter that entered the New England Patriots locker room? She started crying like a LITTLE GIRL! I just don't think women belong in a man's sport. Before you smart guys flame me for this, I know the given example was about football. Who cares? It still applies to other MALE sports. How can we have women umpires? Jeez! Look at Pam Postema. Just because she's a woman, everybody on the face of the earth thinks it's great that she's getting an opportunity to ump. If you even watched the games and had an IQ greater than that of roast beef, you'd see that she is not nearly as good as most AAA umpires. Besides, she is probably more worried about cracking a fingernail with a foul tip off of Wade Boggs' bat. Or Jose Oquendo's bat. Either way, there are too many complications. ÑAustin Jacobs (Bob Knepper Fan Club Member #12) ";-1;0 "From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092 Lines: 92 Have you ever met a chemist? A food industry businessman? You must personally know a lot of them for you to be able to be so certain that they are evil mosters whose only goal is to inflict as much pain and disease as possible into the general public. Gimme a break. In article <1993Apr15.215826.3401@rtsg.mot.com> lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. L undby) writes: > >>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? >>>Superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are >too, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE FOOD INDUSTRY WANTS TO PUT MSG IN FOOD!!! Because it makes the food TASTE BETTER! Why does it put salt in food? Same reason. >I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! Obviously. >Somebody in the industry GIVE ME SOME REASONS WHY! >IS IT AN INDUSTRIAL BYPRODUCT THAT NEEDS GETTING GET RID OF? Of course not! (Although I would think that a person like you would be a big fan of such recycling if that were the case). >IS IT TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT THE RECIPES ARE NOT VERY GOOD OR THE >FOOD IS POOR QUALITY? On occasion that's probably the case, but in general the idea is that MSG improves the flavor of certain foods. >DO SOME OF YOU GET A SADISTIC PLEASURE OUT OF MAKING SOME OF US SICK? No. >DO THE TASTE TESTERS HAVE SOME DEFECT IN THEIR FLAVOR SENSORS (MOUTH etc...) > THAT MSG CORRECTS? No. >I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! Obviously. >ALSO ... Nitrosiamines (sp) As I recall, these are natural by-products of heating up certain foods. They don't ""put it in there"". have a number of criteria in choosing how to process food. They want to make it taste good, look good, sell for a good price, etc. The fact that they use it tells me that THEY think that it contributes to those goals they are interested in. One of those goals is NOT ""making people sick"". Such a goal woud quickly drive them out of business and for no benefit. >I think >1) outlaw the use of these substances without warning labels as >large as those on cig. packages. Warning of what? In California there is a law requiring that ANYTHING which contains a carcinogen be labeled. That includes every gasline pump, most foods, and even money cleaning machines (because Nickel is a mild carcinogen). The result is that now nobody pays any attention to ANY of the warnings. >2) Require 30% of comparable products on the market to be free of these >substances and state that they are free of MSG, DYES, NITROSIAMINES and >SULFITES on the package. Why? What if not 30% of people wanted to buy this ugly, rotten, not-as-tasty food? I guess it will just be wasted, huh? How terribly efficient. >3) While at it outlaw yellow dye #5. For that matter why dye food? Because it makes food look better. I LIKE food that looks good. If vitamin companies want to do that it is fine, but who are you to tell THEM how to make vitamins? Who are you to tell ME whether I should buy flavored vitamins for my kids (who can't swallow the conventional ones whole). >KEEP FOOD FOOD! QUIT PUTTING IN JUNK! How do you define ""junk""? Is putting ""salt"" in food bad? What about Pepper? What about alcohol as a preservative? What about sealing jars with wax? What about vinegar? You seem to think that ""chemicals"" are somehow different than ""food"". The fact is that all foods are 100% chemicals. You are just expressing an irrational prejudice against food processing. --Brian ";-1;0 "From: danc@procom.com (Daniel Cossack) Subject: Re: The truth of the Bible Organization: Procom Technology, Inc. Lines: 44 sodium.asc.slb.com@asc.slb.com (Michael A. Montgomery) writes: >I believe that the God has preserved the Bible perfectly in that it >perfectly conveys all of the truth that He intended. This He has done Oh yea? Which version of the Bible is the perfectly preserved one? And why are there so many translations that are not perfectly preserved? Is God trying to confuse us? >Minor changes in wording or even accidental omission of passages in some >manuscripts does not change the truth being conveyed, nor would it lead a >serious student into doctrinal error. (Note also that God provided many But that is exactly what happend. There are so many branches of denominations of Christianity and deviations of doctrine portruding from varying translations of biblical texts by ""serious students"" that are much too numerous to begin to count. If there is a Perfect Bible, then there would be no possible misinterpretation and there would be no need for anyone here to be debating it. On the other hand, maybe the Bible is perfect, but no one on this planet is perfect enough to read it correctly, but then there would be no point in God giving us something we cannot use correctly. >In short, if you attack the credibility and reliability of the Bible, you >are on weak ground. Furthermore, the only reason that I can see for wanting >to do so is to remove the Bible as the final authority, and instead put >that responsibility on men to sift the Bible to strain out the nuggets of >truth that it contains (in other words, what they want to believe), and >ignore the rest. The Bible IS Truth; it does not just contain truth. IMHO, if you trust your salvation on the reliability of a single book, you are on weak ground. Remember, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. This Word existed BEFORE the Bible was written. (Note: Word <==> God). This Word that John is trying to describe cannot be fully described in any written language, all languages being IMPERFECT. Realization comes only from contemplation of the Word, and is outside the boundaries of language. I use the Bible as a guide, a stepping stone, but in no way is it my final authority. God alone is the final authority. -- =========================================================================== Daniel Cossack | danc@procom.com, 71333.2102@compuserve.com Senior Software Engineer | 2181 Dupont Drive, Irvine, CA 92715 Procom Technology, Inc. | +1 714 852 1000 ";-1;0 "From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 29 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu In article grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) writes: >I guess the cryptowranglers read this group too. But of >course I knew that because it is so easy to do. There is >not a single doubt in my mind that every byte that passes >every significant gateway or 'bone is captured for the >colligation of data about __________? (Maybe your name is here). I really like these claims. Where did they come from? We hear, practically daily, that the NSA monitors, oh, everything. They can crack anything. They'd never release a cryptosystem they couldn't crack. Where do people get these fascinating facts? 'The Puzzle Palace'? If you can get it for a buck, 2nd hand, it must be true, eh? I'm pretty sure the NSA is supposed to, among many other things, provide high-quality cryptosystems to a variety of places. I don't recall reading anywhere reliable that they're supposed to: 1) Monitor my phonecalls. 2) Monitor usenet. 3) Provide only cryptosystems they can easily crack. 4) etc etc. This is not to say that they *don't*, they might. But you don't know that they do, and you have no evidence that they do, for almost all values of you. It follows, therefore, that for most values of 'you', your claims about the NSA border on paranoia. Andrew ";-1;0 "From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: Go Hezbollah!! Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: > > Lebanese resistance forces detonated a bomb under an Israeli occupation > patrol in Lebanese territory two days ago. Three soldiers were killed and > two wounded. In ""retaliation"", Israeli and Israeli-backed forces wounded > 8 civilians by bombarding several Lebanese villages. Ironically, the Israeli > government justifies its occupation in Lebanon by claiming that it is > necessary to prevent such bombardments of Israeli villages!! > > Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every > Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral > bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli > government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life. > > Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) I'm sure the Federal Bureau of Investigation (fbi.gov on the Internet) is going to *love* reading your incitement to murder. Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL ";-1;0 "From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: FYI - BATF reply on Waco Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 52 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article dgw@elite.intel.com (Dennis Willson) writes: [..] > > On February 28, 1993, the special agents attempting to serve the > Federal search warrant were all dressed in apparel clearly identified > with the letters ""ATF"" and a highly visible police-type badge. > Additionally, the special agents announced who they were and their > purpose for being at the compound. > > Immediately following this announcement, gunfire erupted from the > compound, resulting in the deaths of four ATF special agents and the > wounding of several others. Through no fault of ATF, the element of > surprise was lost, which caused the tragedy. This statement simply amazes me! ""Through no fault of ATF, the element of surprise was lost""! What element of surprise? In the paragraph preceding this one, he said ""... the special agents announced who they were and their purpose for being at the compound"", which was to serve the federal warrant. No element of surprise was even needed for that. No, the element of surprise that they lost was that needed for a preemptive first strike, without warning. > Inasmuch as the warrants > remain sealed by a U.S. magistrate, and the investigation remains in an > active ongoung status, we are prohibited from disclosing any further > information at this time. > Read: They need to wait until they see how it comes out before they fabricate anymore, which could get disproven. > We hope we have been responsive to your letter. Please let us know > whenever we may be of service. > > Sincerely yours, > > Daniel M. H??l??tt [can't make out signature] > Deputy Director As always, no facts, just my opinions/observations. Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 ";-1;0 "From: zeno@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Sean Lamont) Subject: Closed-curve intersection Article-I.D.: shelley.1ra2paINN68s Organization: Abstract Software Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: phylo.genetics.washington.edu I would like a reference to an algorithm that can detect whether one closed curve bounded by some number of bezier curves lies completely within another closed curve bounded by bezier curves. Thanks. -- Sean T. Lamont | Ask me about the WSI-Fonts zeno@genetics.washington.edu | Professional collection for NeXT lamont@abstractsoft.com |____________________________________ Abstract Software ";-1;0 "From: verity@jack.sns.com (Steve Verity) Subject: Need help with video detection circuit Organization: Systems'n'Software Lines: 55 I am trying to build a circuit that detects the presence of video (Vs. a blank screen) by monitoring the R,G, and B outputs of a graphics card. It should be able to detect the presence of a single pixel at 65 MHz, which would mean detecting a 15 NS pulse. It should also be able to tell the difference between a blank screen (about 300 mv) and a dim screen (say, around 310 mv). Oh yes, it also needs to be cheap. My first circuit was a dismal failure. I used 3 compariators; each compariator had the + input going to one of the guns, the - input went to a reference created by a voltage divider(a potentiometer). The first problem was that the compariator was way too slow.. I needed to get several pixels in a row before it would fire the compariators, so I could have a whole screen full of text, but my circuit would not detect it. The second problem is that there was more noise on the reference then the smallest difference between a blank screen and a dim screen. In fact the difference between completely black and completely white is only 650 mv. I am wondering if I am going to have to amplify the video signals to make this work. There are faster compariators, but they are expensive, and require split supplies. I would need to replace my .49 quad compariator with three 1.89 compariators, and create a whole new power supply circuit. At this point, I think what I need is some sort of transistor circuit. Transistors are fast and cheap and should do the trick... Unfortunately, I am way out of my league when It comes to designing transistor circuits, so I am appealing to the net for help. Any ideas, tips, circuits, pointers, references, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Oh yes, I only sample the output of this thing every second or so, so I don't need a fast response time at all, however, I haven't found a way to take advantage of that fact. Thanks a lot for any help anybody might be able to give. Of course, you will have my undying gratitude. Steve Verity -- ..........>.........>........>......>...>...>..>..>..>..>.>.>.>>>>>>>>+ . Steve Verity + + ...Maxed on MIDI + . + verity@jack.sns.com + .. + ";11;1 "From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 35 In article eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus) writes: > > But, if you are making custom equipment in any case, why not just >roll your own Clipper implementation and report the wrong keys to the >Escrow agency? (Tells us who is going to be in the chip business if >this thing goes through--NSA, and those with something to hide from >NSA.) This won't work if there is a checksum on the keys you don't know about. Neither will registering a clipper chip and then substituting a ""counterfeit"" one if the serial number contains a checksum. Chances are the government has thought of this, and ""just anyone"" won't be permitted access to enough of the internals to make a ""fake"" clipper chip. Chances are that the government has classified some details of the internals at a very high level, and manufacturers are required to observe security safeguards and clearances corresponding to that level. While not perfect, it would prevent Joe Hacker from rolling his own spoofing chip, since not many counterfeiters can survive a background investigation. Some of the more notorious self-styled dissidents here, for example, have already got their heads so high above the tall grass that they'd have little chance of getting a clearance. Of course it's not impossible that someone do this, but probably extremely difficult. Chances are there will also be very heavy criminal penalties for phony clipper chips, on some national security/classified info grounds or other, thus making the game not worth the candle. -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. ";-1;0 "From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 37 / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu / 6:26 am Apr 14, 1993 / > The vast majority get through life without ever having to > own, use or display a firearm. I suppose that depends on how you define 'vast' majority.... You are correct about 'majority.' Somewhere between 1 out of three and one out of 10 will at some period in their lives experience a violent assault. The risk is generally higher than emergency medical problems like heart attack and stroke. 'Vast' is probably too loose a term. With approximately 1,000,000 Americans using firearms each year, over a 30 year period we get (roughly, since some may have to do this more than once) 30 MILLION Americans with experience in using firearms for self defense. 30/250 yields 12 percent of the population. (Yes, I know that is a REAL rough estimate. We're closer to 270 million now, but many of these are minors and should be included etc, thus the percentage if anything is low.) At any rate, most minority groups in this range are not usually referred to as 'tiny' minorities, so I don't see how the other part of the group can be referred to as the 'vast' majority. A little more work might support a 'simple' majority of Americans never use, own or display a firearm. Certainly when you are talking about OWNERSHIP you are wrong. Nearly half of your fellow citizens own one or more firearms. > Besides, there are other > means of self-protection which can be just as effective > as firearms. Please provide a list of other means that are as effective. Then you might convince your local police departments to switch. Good luck. Rick. ";-1;0 "From: scst83@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. C.D. Smith) Subject: Voltage Multiplier Problem. Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University Lines: 53 Nntp-Posting-Host: goyt.csc.liv.ac.uk Hi, I've just built a valve preamp and use a diode/capacitor voltage multiplier to step the 12vAC supply voltage up to approx 260vDV. As the load resistance increases, the RC constant decreases and hence the output voltage drops. I need as high an output voltage as possible. (about 260v). The circuit consists of seven voltage multiplier stages (ie 14 diodes and 14 capacitors) each capacitor develops about 38v across them, and I take the output from across seven capacitors=260v. Each capacitor is 100mfd at 68v. If I increase each of the capacitors rating (220-470mfd), that will increase the RC constant, and hence alleviate some of the problem. These capacitors are going to be a little expensive as I need 14 of them, So: 1. What would happen if I connected a 470mfd at 400v capacitor in parallel with the output (and hence in parallel with the seven 100mfd capacitors)? Will it, as I assume, increase the C in circuit and hence increase the RC time constant? If it does, and my output voltage becomes more stable by doing this, then I will have killed two birds with one stone... as I am experiencing some 50Hz ripple (and hence amp hum), and this new capacitor will 'smooth' this out. and 2. Can anyone recomend a suitable value for an inductor (choke) to be placed in the output line of the power supply to filter out the 50Hz mains hum. Lowest resistance possible ! I've not got my preamp with me at the moment because it is TOO MUCH of a distraction.... (I'm at university and I've got to get my dissertation finished in two weeks !!!!!!!) hence I'm mailing not playing with my solderoing iron (it'll be cheaper too in the long run... especially if 14 new large capacitors don't work as planned!) Email please.... Can't always read the net..... Thanks in advance.. Chris ;-) +====================================================================+ |Name : Mr Chris Smith | Twang on that 'ole guitar ! | |Addrs: scst83@uk.ac.liv.csc | | |Uni : Liverpool University |Quest: To build more and more hardware | |Dgree: Computer Science | | +====================================================================+ ""What ever the sun may be, it is certainly not a ball of flaming gas!"" -- D.H. Lawrence. * All views expressed are my own, and reflect that of private thought. * ";-1;0 "From: mathew Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 13 frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.125245.12872@abo.fi> MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats > Andtbacka) writes: > | ""And these objective values are ... ?"" > |Please be specific, and more importantly, motivate. > > I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. Yes, but whose freedom? The world in general doesn't seem to value the freedom of Tibetans, for example. mathew ";9;1 "From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes: >Nerve gas and mustard gas are well defined. Other poisonous >gasses should be individually banned only if it can be shown that there >is no use not related to weaponry. Licenses should be available for >research purposes on such chemicals. >I am not a lawyer, but these ideas could certainly be a basis for >definitions. I hope you realize how trivial it is to manufacture these compounds. Given about $10k in lab equipment and chemicals (which are commercially available) and given the knowledge that I have (graduating BS, Ch, 1993) I could synthesize enough of these compounds to make a serious dent in the population of several major US cities. As also noted, the knowledge is there for the production of nuclear weapons. It's not even that restricted. The only thing is the expense. Now I'm not going around making these things, but it's not 'cause of any law; I simply don't get any marginal benefit out of killing anyone. Any law you enact in this respect is only going to give you the ability to add a charge against someone who does make and use said weapons. In the case of chemical agents, I seriously doubt that you would even know that someone had set up a lab until after the weapons had been used. Part of the trouble with the chemical-weapons ban treaty between the US and the USSR is that many of the precursors to chemical weapons such as GB and Sarin, etc., is that they have very valid commercial uses, and it is very easy to divert those precursors to chemical weapons manufacture without anyone knowing about it. >>< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > >>< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > >-- >doug foxvog >douglas.foxvog@vtt.fi aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu ";-1;0 "From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary The Burgermeister Huckabay) Subject: Bill James Player Rating Book 1993. Organization: Harold Brooks Duck L'Orange Club, Ltd. Lines: 26 (Dave 'This has never happened to me before' Kirsch) writes: > Correction: ""Nied was the only player identified in this book as a grade A >prospect who was exposed to the draft.."", according to Bill James in the >'Stop the Presses' section preceding his player evaluations. He valued Nied >at $21, and said that Nied's value does not increase significantly as a >result of his selection (although he did catch a break getting away from the >strongest rotation in baseball). I thought Bill James' latest book completely and totally sucked. I bought it, but will not purchase anything of his ever again without THOROUGHLY looking at it first. What tripe. The book is inconsistent, and filled with selective analysis. James claims to be looking forward, and then makes some absolutely bizarre statements of value. Not only that, but I got the impression he probably glanced at the book for about an hour before he put his name on it. To say I was disappointed is a grand understatement. -- * Gary Huckabay * Kevin Kerr: The Al Feldstein of the mid-90's! * * ""A living argument for * If there's anything we love more than a huge * * existence of parallel * .sig, it's someone quoting 100 lines to add * * universes."" * 3 or 4 new ones. And consecutive posts, too. * ";14;1 "From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) Subject: Re: the call to space (was Re: Clueless Szaboisms ) Keywords: trumpet calls, infrastructure, public perception Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide Lines: 32 In article <1pfj8k$6ab@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >In article <1993Mar31.161814.11683@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >>It isn't feasible for Japan to try to stockpile the amount of oil they >>would need to run their industries if they did no use nuclear power. >Of course, Given they export 50 % of the GNP, What do they do. Well they don't export anywhere near 50% of their GNP. Mexico's perhaps but not their own. They actually export around the 9-10% mark. Similar to most developed countries actually. Australia exports a larger share of GNP as does the United States (14% I think off hand. Always likely to be out by a factor of 12 or more though) This would be immediately obvious if you thought about it. >Anything serious enough to disrupt the sea lanes for oil will >also hose their export routes. It is their import routes that count. They can do without exports but they couldn't live without imports for any longer than six months if that. >Given they import everything, oil is just one more critical commodity. Too true! But one that is unstable and hence a source of serious worry. Joseph Askew -- Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades, jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief. Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere, Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on. ";-1;0 "From: bca@ece.cmu.edu (Brian C. Anderson) Subject: Trnasfering binary files from Terminal to UNIX Originator: bca@packard.ece.cmu.edu Keywords: Terminal, Kermit, UNIX Lines: 15 Reply-To: bca@ece.cmu.edu (Brian C. Anderson) Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon Distribution: cmu I'm attempting to transfer files from my home computer running Windows 3.1 Terminal to a workstation at school. The file transfer protocol at home is Kermit for binary files. I'm running Kermit on the workstation at school and setting the file transfer protocol to binary. I am unable to upload files to school but can download files from school to home. During download, Terminal displays ther retrying message several times then the message ' Verify you're using the correct protocol'. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix? Either e-mail or post to this group. Thanks, in advance, Brian Anderson /// Go Pens - make it 14 in a row /// ";-1;0 "From: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh) Subject: Re: KREME Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu Distribution: rec Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr14.143716.18174@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: >Hi folks! > >Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only >one man's opinion. > >Any one else have any experience with the stuff? > > On my 59 sporty I had some pinhole leaks open up on the back seam. I kreme it about a year ago and have had no problems at all. Be real careful as the cleaning part of the solution is hell on paint. -Jim -- Jim Groh groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu | DoD #0356 | Hog# 0437643 |new improved 1959 XLH 900 ** 1982 FXR ** 1989 XLH 883 ** 1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig ";-1;0 "From: coutsoft@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Coutsoftides) Subject: Sampler for Sale Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA. USA Lines: 17 Ok people, I really need to sell this sampler to pay off bills, so I'm even going to include 3 sample cds worth at least 200 separately in this deal..... It's an Emax II with standard memory and 16 bit stereo sampling It's rackmount and has at least 24 voice pol., It's got a brand new Connor (sp.?) 170 meg internal scsi drive (4 wk old, never used) it works perfect and runs perfect. In addition access to a friends sound library of over 1gig of sounds is available... All this for only $1600.. The sample cd's are based on dance/house/techno stuff. Email or call 213-341-4425 thanks Mike ";-1;0 "From: edb@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Ed Breen) Subject: DICTA-93 Originator: edb@friend.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU Keywords: Conference Reply-To: edb@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Ed Breen) Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia Lines: 163 Australian Pattern Recognition Society 2nd CALL FOR PAPERS DICTA-93 2nd Conference on - DIGITAL IMAGING COMPUTING: TECHNIQUES AND APPLICATIONS Location: Macquarie Theatre Macquarie University Sydney Date: 8-10 December 1993. DICTA-93 is the second biennial national conference of the Australian Pattern Recognition Society. This event will provide an opportunity for any persons with an interest in computer vision, digital image processing/analysis and other aspects of pattern recognition to become informed about contemporary developments in the area, to exchange ideas, to establish contacts and to share details of their own work with others. The Following invited speakers will provide specialised presentations: Prof Gabor T. Herman, University of Pennsylvania on Medical Imaging. Prof. R.M. Hodgson, Massey University New Zealand on Computer Vision. Prof. Dominique Juelin, Centre de Morphologie Mathematique, Paris on Mathematical Morphology. Prof. John Richards, Aust. Defence Force Academy, Canberra on Remote Sensing. Dr. Phillip K. Robertson, CSIRO Division of Information Technology, Canberra on Interactive Visualisation. The conference will concentrate on (but is not limited to) the following areas of image processing:- * Computer Vision and Object Recognition * Motion Analysis * Morphology * Medical Imaging * Fuzzy logic and Neural Networks * Image Coding * Machine Vision and Robotics * Enhancement and Restoration * Enhancement and Restoration * Visualisation * Industrial Applications * Software and Hardware Tools Papers are sought for presentation at the conference and publication in the conference proceedings. Submission for peer review should consist of an extended abstract of 750-1000 words of doubled spaced text, summarizing the technical aspects of the paper and any results that will be quoted. Final papers should be limited to no more than 8 pages of text and illustrations in camera-ready form. Four (4) copies of the abstract should be sent to: DICTA-93 C/- Tony Adriaansen CSIRO - Division of Wool Technology PO Box 7 Ryde NSW 2112 Australia IMPORTANT DATES Abstract due - 25th June 1993 Acceptance notified - 27th August 1993 Final paper due - 15th October 1993 SOCIAL PROGRAM: The conference dinner will be held on the Thursday 9th of December 1993. Other social activities are being arranged. Situated on a beautiful harbour, Sydney has many and varied places of interest. The Opera House and Harbour Bridge are just two of the well known landmarks. Harbour cruises, city tours to the Blue Mountains run daily. We can provide further information on request. ACCOMMODATION: Accommodation within 15 min walking distance is available, ranging from college style to 5 star Hotel facilities. Information will be supplied upon request. CONFERENCE FEES: before 30th Sep. After 30th Sep. APRS Members A$220 A$250 APRS Student Members A$120 A$150 Others A$250 A$280 Conference Dinner A$35 on Dec 9th 1993 ------------------------------------------------------------- ADVANCED REGISTRATION Name: Organisation: Address Phone: Fax: email: - I am a current Member of APRS. - I am not a current member of APRS. - Please send me information on accommodation. I enclose a cheque for ------------------------------------------------------------- Please send the above form to DICTA-93 C/- Tony Adriaansen CSIRO - Division of Wool Technology PO Box 7 Ryde NSW 2112 Australia The cheques should be made payable to DICTA-93. For further information contact: * Tony Adriaansen (02) 809 9495 * Athula Ginigie (02) 330 2393 * email: dicta93@ee.uts.edu.au APRS is a member of IAPP the International Association for Pattern Recognition, Inc. An affiliated member of the International Federation for Information Processing. ";-1;0 "From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com <1993Apr20.001428.724@indyvax.iupui.edu> Lines: 14 In <1993Apr20.001428.724@indyvax.iupui.edu> tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes: >Let's play a game - What would be a reasonable reward? What companies would >have a reasonable shot at pulling off such a feat? Just where in the >budget would the reward come from? Should there be a time limit? Would a >straight cash money award be enough or should we throw in say . . . >exclusive mining rights for the first fifty years? You get the idea. A cash award is OK. A time limit would be nice. You can't give away mining rights (assuming there's anything to mine) because you don't own them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one. Greg Nicholls ... nicho@vnet.ibm.com (business) or nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk (private) ";2;1 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 14 In article <1r6f3a$2ai@news.umbc.edu> rouben@math9.math.umbc.edu (Rouben Rostamian) writes: >>Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used >>to compute sunrise and sunset times. > >Here is a computation I did a long time ago that computes the length >of the daylight. You should be able to convert the information here >to sunrise and sunset times. Sorry, not so -- the changes in sunrise and sunset times are not quite synchronized. For example, neither the earliest sunrise nor the latest sunset comes on the longest day of the year. You can derive day length from sunrise and sunset times, but not vice-versa. ";-1;0 "From: forsythe@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Michael Goldberger) Subject: FOR SALE: MAC CLASSIC AND STYLEWRITER 1 Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 6 I am selling my Macintosh Classic and Stylewriter 1 to the highest bidder. You can reach me at 415 626-5869 (San Francisco)), or via email at forsythe@leland.stanford.edu. -David Goldberger ";-1;0 "From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES In-Reply-To: henrik@quayle.kpc.com's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 16:45:17 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: vein.cs.rochester.edu Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Rochester <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu> <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> <1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu> <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: [stuff deleted] > Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the > KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. Gimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. It seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities while hoping that Turkey will stay out. Stop and think for a moment, will you? Armenia doesn't need anyone to drag her into the conflict, it is a part of it. >The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived >in their HOMELAND for 3000 years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS >BY STALIN) are the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending >themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. Huh? You didn't expect Azeri's to be friendly to forces fighting with them within their borders? [...] > At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH > crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again. You're not playing with a full deck, are you? Where would Turkey invade? Are you throwing the Cyprus buzzword around with s.c.g. in the header in hopes that the Greek netters will jump the gun? Yes indeed Turkey has the military prowess to intervene, what she wishes she had, however, is the diplomatic power to stop the hostilities and bring the parties to the negotiating table. That's hard to do when Armenians are attacking Azeri towns. Armenian leaders are lacking the statesmanship to recognize the futility of armed conflict and convince their nation that a compromise that leads to stability is much better than a military faits accomplis that's going to cause incessant skirmishes. Think of 10 or 20 years down the line -- both of the newly independent countries need to develop economically and neither one is going to wipe the other out. These people will be neighbors, would it not be better to keep the bad blood between them minimal? If you belong to the Armenian diaspora, keep in mind that what strikes your fancy on the map is costing the local Armenians dearly in terms of their blood and future. It's easy to be comfortable abroad and propagandize craziness to have your feelings about Turks tickled. The Armenians in Armenia and N-K will be there, with the same people you seem to hate as their neighbors, for maybe 3000 years more. The sooner there's peace in the region the better it is for them and everyone else. I'd push for compromise if I were you instead of hitting the caps-lock and spreading inflammatory half-truths. cheers, BM ";15;1 "From: johnm@spudge.lonestar.org (John Munsch) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Organization: /etc/organization Lines: 16 In article rutgers!viamar!kmembry writes: >Read Issue #2 of Wired Magazine. It has a long article on the ""hype"" of >3DO. I've noticed that every article talks with the designers and how >""great"" it is, but never show any pictures of the output (or at least >pictures that one can understand) Gamepro magazine published pictures a few months ago and Computer Chronicles (a program that is syndicated to public tv stations around the nation) spent several minutes on it when it was shown at CES. It was very impressive what it can do in real time. John Munsch P.S. Don't take that to mean that I believe that the system is going to take over the world or something. Just that it clearly has a lot more horsepower than any of the VIS, CD-I, Sega CD, or Turbo Duo crowd. ";-1;0 "From: HoffmanE@space1.spacenet.jhuapl.edu (Hoffman, Eric J.) Subject: Re: Drag free satellites Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu In article <1raee7$b8s@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >In article <23APR199317325771@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >> In answer >>to a question from Hawking, Chahine described a proposed >>drag-free satellite, but confirmed that at this point, ""it's only >>a concept."" > >SO what's a drag free satellite? coated with WD-40? TRIAD, the first drag-free satellite, was designed and built by the Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory and launched 2 Sept 1972. The satellite was in three sections separated by two booms. The central section housed the DISCOS Disturbance Compensation System, which consisted of a proof mass of special non-magnetic alloy housed within a spherical cavity. The proof mass flew a true gravitational orbit, free from drag and radiation pressure. Teflon microthrusters kept the body of the satellite centered around the proof mass, thereby flying the entire satellite drag free. TRIAD was one of the APL-designed Navy Navigation Satellites. The 2nd-generation operational navigation satellites flying today (NOVA) use a single-axis version of DISCOS. TRIAD was also the sixth APL satellite to be powered by an RTG (APL flew the first nuclear power supply in space, in 1961). Further info on TRIAD, DISCOS, etc. can be found in ""Spacecraft Design Innovations in the APL Space Department,"" Johns Hopkins APL Technical Digest, Vol. 13, No. 1 (1992). --Eric Hoffman ";-1;0 "From: PKR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Patrick Krejcik) Subject: File Server Mac Article-I.D.: pkrmac.PKR-050493101102 Organization: SLAC Lines: 3 I saw once an article about a new line of Macs configured to work more optimally as file servers. Anyone know any more details? ";-1;0 "From: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Subject: re: I hate to make a decision ! Organization: DSO, Stanford University Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr26.030204.27417%gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw> gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu) writes: > >Hi. > > Well, I really hate to make a decision, but recently, I have to choose > whether stacker 3.0 or dos 6.0 with double space for my poor HD. > I am using windwos 3.1 and I hope what I choose will live with windows. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > > >-- >===================== ( Forever 23, Michael Jordan.) ===================== > Tony G. Wu gtonwu@uz.nthu.edu.tw > CAE/Rheology Lab. NTHU. tony@che.nthu.edu.tw > Stacker achieves better compression ratio than DOS6, yet the latter comes with virus detection, memory manager, and multiple booting. Each of them are not so good as the NAV, QEMM or NDOS in my opinion, but with a package of only $45, it's nice if haven't yet installed all of those stuffs. Both certainly work with Win31. Rensheng Horng ";-1;0 "From: joan@koala.berkeley.edu () Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: U.C. Berkeley Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: koala.berkeley.edu In article guy@idacom.hp.com (Guy M. Trotter) writes: > >Hi, > >In Canada, any gun that enters a National Park must be sealed (I think it's a >small metal tag that's placed over the trigger). The net result of this is >that you _can't_ use a gun to protect yourself from bears (or psychos) in the >National Parks. Instead, one has to be sensitive to the dangers and annoyances >of hiking in bear country, and take the appropriate precautions. > >I think this policy makes the users of the National Parks feel a little closer >to Nature, that they are a part of Nature and, as such, have to deal with >nature on it's own terms. > >Guy Hello, I understand this philosophy. The bears are a national treasure, the area is their sanctuary and people who enter it do so at their own risk. It is better that that rare human be killed by a bear than that bears be provoked or shot by unbear-savvy visitors. The bears aren't having a population explosion, humans are so it is better that a human be killed than endanger the bears. I don't agree with this philosopy, but I understand it. The psychos are a bit different. They are not a national treasure but I suppose the decision has been made that to ""allow"" provision for defense against them would also ""allow"" provision for defense against bears. Again, I suppose it has been decided that it is better for the rare human to be killed by a psycho than to take a chance on threatening the bears. Personally, I wouldn't go into an area where I would be ""managed"" so as to reduce my safety ..... but ... come to think of it I guess I live in a managed wilderness myself :-) Joan V ";-1;0 "From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) Subject: Re: Licensing of public key implementations Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ellisun.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr4.221640.8104@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes: >I guess we will have to wait for the time in the far future >when everyone uses such good crypto that the NSA has no job. Then the >agency will be disbanded and its files opened after the approprate >historical delay. ;) You've overlooked a fundamental Truth: both headcount and budget of any government agency are monotonic increasing functions. Given that Truth, you need to look for what the agency can do to occupy all those people and spend all that money when crypto is unbreakable. Perhaps they could talk the world's telephone companies into making equipment they could break into and tap. Maybe they could convince people that distributed computing was a good idea so that even the internal state of a process would be available for access by wiretapping. Maybe.... -- - <> - Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com - Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783 - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488 ";-1;0 "From: ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG) Subject: How long do monitors last???? Article-I.D.: ns1.1993Apr5.200422.65952 Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 21 Well, my 14inch VGA 1024x758-interlacing 2.5 year old no brand monitor just bit the bullet. I pressed the power switch and a few seconds later, the power light went out with a POP. Gawd, it's only been two and half years. How long would normal monitors last? I think the problem with my monitor is the power switch... but the image was getting pretty dim anyway (I needed to have my contrast all the way to the max...). And the screen did flicker from time to time. Is this normal (hehehe) or do I just have the worst of luck??? Question: What do I do now???? Buy a new one? Get it fixed? Save up for a *really* good one and get by with a cheap EGA monitor for now? I rather save my money to upgrade my 386SX to 486-66 though... Thanks! -- =============================================================================== What engineers say: Extensive effort is being applied on a fresh approach to the problem. What they *really* mean: We just hired three new guys; we'll let them kick it around for a while. ==================(Robert) Bobby Yung_____RY01@Lehigh.Edu====================== ";-1;0 "From: degroff@netcom.com (21012d) Subject: Re: Atlas revisited Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: sci Lines: 8 I found it very interesting that Atlas depended on pressure to maintain tank geometry....leads me to the question: ? have any of the SSTO concepts explored pressurized tankage such that the launch configuration would be significantly different from the reentry one? I have long been facinated by pnumatic structures as conceived and built by Frei Otto and others, a ""ballon"" tank SSTO sounds very clever. ";-1;0 "From: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Originator: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Oh Christ, here we go again. I'm actually going to assume that this was a serious posting, fool that I am. In article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms >'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that >there are actually *few* cases where this is so. And I suppose I should just take your word for it. Did you ever think that many people who use firearms to protect themselves might not admit to it because of the ridiculous laws which exist forbidding concealed carry? >The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary >opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who >would argue with you about a parking space, those who would >take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes. I already own a cool jacket. I ride a bicycle to work and park it behind my desk. And if my woman decides to go with someone else, I'd be disappointed but killing her new suitor will probably not endear her to me any more than before. Frankly, I've never met a woman worth killing for anyway. (Now, an AR-15 with a chrome barrel, THAT's worth killing for ...!-)) >Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery. >In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms. >No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking, >than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault. Does this pinhead know something the rest of us don't? I'm not too worried about federal martials coming to get my guns. The government can't seem to keep violent criminals in jail since they don't have enough prison space, and the legal system is over- burdened anyway. Where are they going to put all the millions of gun-owners who won't fork over their weapons? Maybe you'd like to volunteer the services of your humble abode, since you obviously feel sooooo strongly about this. >The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. Your argument has been rendered useless. Accept this. Find another newsgroup. ------------------------------------------------------------ Lee Gaucher NRA | My opinions. gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu | No one else's. ------------------------------------------------------------ ";3;1 "From: markus@octavia.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn) Subject: Re: HDF readers/viewers Organization: Australian National University, Canberra Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.35 Originator: markus@octavia I wrote... > > G'day all, > > Can anybody point me at a utility which will read/convert/crop/whatnot/ > display HDF image files ? I've had a look at the HDF stuff under NCSA > and it must take an award for odd directory structure, strange storage > approaches and minimalist documentation :-) and it has since turned out that all the mirror sites I looked at were fooled by a restructuring at the original site - zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu - and hence were in a mess. That and a pointer to 'imconv' should get me started. Ta muchly. Cheers Markus -- Markus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au Australian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia. [International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747] ";-1;0 "From: plarsen@sanjuan (P Allen Larsen) Subject: Re: Canada 3 Sweden 1 at the World Champioships Nntp-Posting-Host: sanjuan.uvic.ca Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA Lines: 16 In article <20APR199319243244@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca> white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (Take me Baby!) writes: > > Today at the World Championships in Munich, Canada scored an >impressive 3-1 victory over the defending World Champs, Sweden. I believe that was 4-1. Rod Brind-Amour scored at 19.59 of the third. > >Kevin White >white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- P. Allen Larsen University of Victoria plarsen@sanjuan.uvic.ca ";-1;0 "From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: hearing sinners Lines: 18 On the question, ""Does God hear the prayers of sinners?"" we need to distinguish. If we say that He never hears the prayers of any who have sinned, we make pointless all prayers by anyone born less than 19 centuries ago. But if we consider the prayers of the impenitent sinner, of someone who says, ""Lord, I want you to do this for me, but don't expect me to change my way of life,"" that is a different matter. Even here, I would not venture to say that God never grants such petitions (just as He sends sun and rain on the evil and on the good). However, if someone we know well is praying to God in that spirit, we might have the responsibility to say, ""Remember, if God's help is real, then so are His commands."" Yours, James Kiefer ";-1;0 "From: billh@greed.sbil.co.uk (Bill Hodgson) Subject: Re: waiting for a specific event/callback Reply-To: billh@greed.sbil.co.uk Organization: Salomon Brothers, Ltd. Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: greed In article 9610@charon.cwi.nl, huub@cwi.nl (Huub Bakker) writes: ..deleted... In plain Motify using a dialog 'in-line' like this simply isn't done. You need to set callbacks from the buttons/widgets in your dialog and let the callback routines do the work. In the callbacks you can then carry on the flow of logic. XView from Sun actually supports this very neatly with a 'Notify' box, which can return a status in-line, it does actualy ease coding but goes against the event driven style of an application. Summary: Redesign required. --- _/ _/ _/ _/ ""Delta hedging a long option position also _/ _/ _/ generates a short gamma exposure and any return _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ generated from delta hedging options can be thought _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ of as compensation for assuming gamma risk"" _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ -- Radioactive investment management... whew! ";-1;0 "From: saz@hook.corp.mot.com (Scott Zabolotzky) Subject: .GIF to .BMP Organization: Motorola, Inc. Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.122.160 Lines: 11 I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask this question. If not, please forgive me and point me in the right direction. Does anybody know of a program that converts .GIF files to .BMP files and if so, where can I ftp it from? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please respond via e-mail as I do not read this group very often. Thanks...Scott ";-1;0 "From: sgs1679@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G) Subject: HELP!!!! (Mercury Capri Query). Keywords: Gas mileage, High idling, Carburettor, Tune-up. Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette Distribution: usa Lines: 34 Hi Folks, I recently bought a 1981 Mercury Capri (my first car ever!). I have noticed a few problems with the car : 1. It gives very low gas mileage (something like 11 miles / gallon ; I hear other car owners speak of gas-mileage figures like 25 miles/gallon (wow!) etc.). 2. When I start the car, it goes into high idling (something like 1500 (or is it 15000 ?) rpm. After driving 4 or 5 miles, it comes down to 300 (or 3000?) rpm. I would like to know if there is any way by which I can fix these problems. Or is it natural for an old car like this ? (it has done about 117,000 miles). Someone suggested that I change/rebuild/ recondition the carburettor. I am not prepared to do it unless I am sure it will fix the problem. And yes, I got the car tuned-up recently (within the last 200 miles or so). Please let me know if you have any suggestions. Please respond by email since I don't scan this newsgroup regularly. Thanks. Regards, --Sudhi. -- Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. email : sudhi@ucs.usl.edu. ""Is he one of us or is he one of them ?"" ---- so ask small-minded men. Those of noble mind think the entire world as their family. [Hitopadesha] ";-1;0 "From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe Lines: 43 mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: mjs>Secondly, it is the adhesion of the mjs>tyre on the road, the suspension geometry and the ground clearance of the mjs> motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and mjs>not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ mjs>suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster mjs>or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise?? egreen@east.sun.com writes: ed>If he's not, I will. Hey Ed, you didn't give me the chance! Sheesh! The answer is, absolutely!, as Ed so eloquently describes: ed>Put two riders on identical machines. It's the ed>one who knows what he's doing, and why, that will be faster. It *may* ed>be possible to improve your technique if you have no idea what it is, ed>through trial and error, but it is not very effective methodology. ed>Only by understanding the technique of steering a motorcycle can one ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ed>improve on that technique (I hold that this applies to any human ed>endeavor). Herein lies the key to this thread: Kindly note the difference in the responses. Ed (and I) are talking about knowing riding technique, while Mike is arguing knowing the physics behind it. It *is* possible to be taught the technique of countersteering (ie: push the bar on the inside of the turn to go that way) *without* having to learn all the fizziks about gyroscopes and ice cream cones and such as seen in the parallel thread. That stuff is mainly of interest to techno-motorcycle geeks like the readers of rec.motorcycles ;^), but doesn't need to be taught to the average student learning c-steering. Mike doesn't seem to be able to make the distinction. I know people who can carve circles around me who couldn't tell you who Newton was. On the other hand, I know very intelligent, well-educated people who think that you steer a motorcycle by either: 1) leaning, 2) steering a la bicycles, or 3) a combination of 1 and 2. Knowledge of physics doesn't get you squat - knowledge of technique does! Mr. Bill ";-1;0 "From: gough@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (brian.w.gough) Subject: 4X4 On/Off-Road Rally - Joliet Il. Organization: AT&T Distribution: chi Keywords: April 25th Lines: 97 ************************************************************ * * * ATTENTION ALL FOUR WHEEL OFF ROAD ENTHUSIASTS * * * * On/Off Road Rally - Sunday, April 25th * * Joliet Illinois * * * ************************************************************ The Event: * The Joliet Mud Turtles, a Chicago land four wheel drive club, is sponsoring an On/Off Road Rally Sunday April 25th. * For those who ask ""What is an on/off road rally?"", well... An On/Off Road Rally consists of the following: 1. An on-the-road rally where participants are given a set of directions and clues guiding participates around the Joliet/Plainfield area. The object is to navigate a course based on a set of directions and clues. Participants will be given a set of questions pertaining to the course which they must answer along the way. Points are awarded for the number of correct answers given. Directions will ultimately lead to an off-road area where a four-wheel drive course is set-up. At various locations in the on-road course, check-points will be set-up where participants will be asked other questions or requested to perform some activity (e.g. tire roll, truck tow, basketball free-throw, etc.) for additional points. 2. An optional off-road, four wheel drive course where participants will navigate off-road trails, mud bogs and/or hill climbs. Points are awarded for successfully navigating off-road obstacles without getting stuck. If you should get stuck (which is half the fun anyway), there will be assistance to get your vehicle unstuck so you can try it again. The off-road course will divided up based on tire size, so stock 4x4s as well as modified 4x4s can run the course. At the end of the rally, trophies will be awarded to top scoring participants. Door prizes and dash plaques will also be given out. Food and drinks also available at the conclusion. * This is an organized activity sponsored by the Joliet Mud Turtles so safety and fun is our foremost concern. All 4x4s must be street legal and have solid tow points for the off-road section of the course - we don't want to have to separate someone's bumper from their vehicle :) . The Particulars: * Rally begins at Instant Replay, 2409 Plainfield Road, Joliet Il. (815)436-9382 (see map below) * Registration is between 9 and 10:30 a.m. First truck out at 10:00 a.m. * Rally date is Sunday April 25th, rain or shine * There is an entry fee of $10 per truck. * You must have a co-driver (passengers allowed) * A valid drivers license is required * Suggested equipment: CB Radio Compass Tow Strap and Clevis Clip Board and Pencil * No alcohol during rally * For more information contact Gary (815)727-3415 Tom (815)485-9346 Norm Jr. (815)741-4853 Brian (708)979-6083 __ Instant /\ | Replay | | \ | 1.9mi ___ | 1.2 mi | North |<----->| | <------------> | Rt30 | |___| | | ------|--------------------------------------------- Exit | | | ^ 257 | | | | | | | | |Rt55 |Canton |Larkin | | |Farm |Ave | | |Rd. | | 3 mi. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Rt80 | v ---------------------------------------------------- | | Exit | | 130B | | ";-1;0 "From: dfegan@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Egan) Subject: Re: Any graphics packages available for AIX ? Organization: LESC Lines: 20 In <1993Apr8.122037.19260@sun1x.res.utc.com> mark@sun1x.res.utc.com (MARK STUCKY) writes: >In <1pr9qnINNiag@tahko.lpr.carel.fi>, > Ari Suutari (ari@tahko.lpr.carel.fi) wrote: > > Does anybody know if there are any good 2d-graphics packages > > available for IBM RS/6000 & AIX ? I'm looking for something > > like DEC's GKS or Hewlett-Packards Starbase, both of which > > have reasonably good support for different output devices > > like plotters, terminals, X etc. Try graPHIGS from IBM... It is an excellent package! :^) Doug -- Doug Egan ""It's not what you got - Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Co. It's what you give."" Houston, TX -Tesla ***** email: egan@blkbox.com ***** ";-1;0 "From: david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave) Subject: Re: Run box w/o cover ?? Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers Lines: 42 biernat@rtsg.mot.com (Tim Biernat) writes: {> i am interested in getting the pulse of this group regarding {> extended operation of my G2K 486-33V with the cover removed {> from the enclosure. there are a # of reasons i am considering {> this, including quick access to jumpers during complex i/o card {> setups. {> {> my concern is that without a complete enclosure to direct the {> cooling flow of air from the fan, ""hot spots"" may develop on my {> motherboard or elsewhere. my G2K has intake air vents in the {> front of the enclosure right at MB level. These vents would be {> removed along with the top cover in this scenario, rendering {> airflow from the fan pretty useless. {> {> however, short periods in this mode don't seem to heat things up {> too much, but my conclusions are far from scientific... {> {> -- tim I ran a 386-33 out of a cardboard box for more than a year with no major effects (yeah, no case at all, MB sitting on a static bag) other than the noise from the Poersupply it ran pretty good. as for cooling problems I bought a 12-14 inch fan and turned it on full and set the output directly on the motherboard. I did finally get a case though and I am still running the parts with no ill effects. I also had no kids to spill things on the MB> I had no cat leaving hair on the MB etc. etc. on and on.... the two major concerns are keeping static away and keeping the MB cool enjoy -David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= China Cat BBS c-cat!david@sed.csc.com (301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1 ...uunet!mimsy!anagld!c-cat!david =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ";5;1 "From: neideck@nestvx.enet.dec.com (Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Organization: CEC Karlsruhe Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: NESTVX In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu> Sean McMains writes: >Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these, >especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the >68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D The 68070 is a variation of the 68010 that was done a few years ago by the European partners of Motorola. It has some integrated I/O controllers and half a MMU, but otherwise it's a 68010. Think of it the same as the 8086 and 80186 were. Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz Distributed Multimedia Group, CEC Karlsruhe EERP Portfolio Manager Software Motion Pictures & BERKOM II Project Multimedia Base Technology Digital Equipment Corporation neidecker@nestvx.enet.dec.com ";1;1 "From: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa) Subject: Re: psychnet Reply-To: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, Ma. Lines: 33 --In article <1pfg45INNk23@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, okabe@unixg.ubc.ca (Ian Okabe) writes: **************************************************************** * ////// ---------------------- * // // ""Electronic Networking For / PsychNet.Com / * ////// ""Professional Psychology."" /Serving Psychologists/ * // sychNet (1-800-541-2598) / World Wide / *// ----------------------- ************************************************************ >Whats with this psychnet thing...its on just about everyones's >posting no matter where they post from. Its getting very annoying. >-- >Ian T. Okabe (okabe@unixg.ubc.ca) >Atmospheric Sciences, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada It's an experiment, place a not so subliminal, slightly cagey message in front of a viewer and see how long it takes to create a response, and what was the response... It was the same thing with the ""Blow me"" message, only it had a quicker response time...and some unexpected responses along with the expectedly negative ones... Anyone see how long that took? Yours, in jest... Tom T ********************************************************************** * Tom Testagrossa - E-MAIL: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com * * US-mail: 132 Clarendon St Apt #2 * * Fitchburg, Ma 01420 U.S.A. * * Phone: Work (508)493-0437 (Voicemail)* * Home (508)342-2362 * * Ask me about my guitars... * *********************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: vng@iscs.nus.sg Subject: Wyse 60 Terminal Emulator Reply-To: VNG@ISCS.NUS.SG Organization: Dept of Info Sys and Comp Sci, National University of Singapore, SINGAPORE Lines: 6 Is there a Wyse 60 Terminal Emulator or a comms toolbox kit available on the net somewhere? Thanks. Vince ";-1;0 "From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Fri., Apr. 16th, 1993 Keywords: mlb, 04.16 Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 23 In article <1qmj6h$m5h@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes: >Houston Astros 1 Seattle Mariners 1 >Montreal Expos 2 Toronto Blue Jays 3 >New York Mets 3 Oakland Athletics 2 >Colorado Rockies 5 Detroit Tigers 3 >Pittsburgh Pirates 5 Kansas City Royals 5 >San Diego Padres 4 (13) New York Yankees 4 >St. Louis Cardinals 4 Cleveland Indians 3 >Los Angeles Dodgers 2 Boston Red Sox 4 (13) >Atlanta Braves 1 California Angels PPD >San Francisco Giants 6 Milwaukee Brewers RAIN This leads me to believe that it's not really a rabbitball year, and that we've just had a rash of high-scoring games. I bet this one day's worth of games pulled everything back to close to average. Interesting, because the other day, all but three games had ten or more runs scored, and yesterday no game had more than nine. -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | ";-1;0 "From: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn) Subject: Re: RE: HELP ME INJECT... Article-I.D.: uwm.1r82eeINNc81 Reply-To: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From article <1993Apr22.233001.13436@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, by krishnas@vax.oxford.ac.uk: > The best way of self injection is to use the right size needle > and choose the correct spot. For Streptomycin, usually given intra > muscularly, use a thin needle (23/24 guage) and select a spot on > the upper, outer thigh (no major nerves or blood vessels there). > Clean the area with antiseptic before injection, and after. Make > sure to inject deeply (a different kind of pain is felt when the > needle enters the muscle - contrasted to the 'prick' when it > pierces the skin). > > PS: Try to go to a doctor. Self-treatment and self-injection should > be avoided as far as possible. > The areas that are least likely to hurt are where you have a little fat. I inject on my legs and gut, and prefer the gut. I can stick it in at a 90 degree angle, and barely feel it. I'm not fat, just have a little gut. My legs however, are muscular, and I have to pinch to get anything, and then I inject at about a 45 degree angle,and it still hurts. The rate of absorbtion differs for subcutaneous and muscular injections however--so if it's a daily thing it would be best not to switch places every day to keep consistencey. Although some suggest switch legs or sides of the stomach for each shot, to prevent irritation. When you clean the spot off with an alcohol prep, wait for it to dry somewhat, or you may get the alcohol in the puncture, and of course, that doesn't feel good. A way to prevent irratation is to mark the spot that you injected. A good way to do this is use a little round bandage and put it over the spot. This helps prevent you from injecting in the same spot, and spacing the sites out accuartely (about 1 1/2 "" apart.) This is from experience, so I hope it'll help you. (I have diabetes and have to take an injection every morning.) Later, David -- David Hahn University of Wisconsin : Milwaukee hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ";4;1 "From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: |> |> There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report |> on the situation in the O.T. But, as most people used to see on TV, the |> Israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the O.T. The Israelis |> used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. |> So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine. |> They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in Palestine. Please list the names of some of those neutral reporters that were killed in the ""O.T."". It is also interesting to note that at the outbreak of the intifada, palestinian parties quickly began orchestrating their demonstrations for the benefit of the media. Having spoken to a Danish reporter who covered the initfada, I know of at least one case where he found out that a ""mass demonstration"" on the outskirts of Gaza was setup for himself and his colleagues. When I asked whether the footage shot was sent he replied affirmatively, ""after all, it did happen."" When this became the case, the IDF began closing sensitive trouble spots to reporters. |> Anas Omran |> -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninja of the skies. Cambridge, MA | ";-1;0 "From: eldar@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Eldar) Subject: PBS Frontline documentary : ""Memory of the camps"" Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 13 Yesterday, I watched an outstanding documentary on PBS prepared for Frontline by the documentary consortia. It is called ""Memory of the camps"" and shows some ""un-censored"" pictures taken immediately after the liberation of Bergen-Belsen and other death camps. I recommend it to everybody. Check with your PBS station for re-broadcast. IT IS A MUST SEE documentary. In the Seatle, Vancouver area KSTS-9 will re-broadcast the documentary on Monday 01:30 am. You can also order a copy from PBS Video 1-800-3287271. The cost is $59.95. Danny ";-1;0 "From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) Subject: ESPN sucks: OT or Baseball? Guess which. Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 10 Showing a meaningless (relatively) baseball game over the overtime of game that was tied up with less than 3 seconds left on the clock? Gimme a break! Where does ESPN get these BRILLIANT decisions from? Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! ";-1;0 "From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Islam is caused by believing (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Theism) Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr13.173100.29861@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >>I'm only saying that anything can happen under atheism. Being a >>beleiver, a knowledgeable one in religion, only good can happen. This is becoming a tiresome statement. Coming from you it is a definition, not an assertion: Islam is good. Belief in Islam is good. Therefore, being a believer in Islam can produce only good...because Islam is good. Blah blah blah. That's about as circular as it gets, and equally meaningless. To say that something produces only good because it is only good that it produces is nothing more than an unapplied definition. And all you're application is saying that it's true if you really believe it's true. That's silly. Conversely, you say off-handedly that _anything_ can happen under atheism. Again, just an offshoot of believe-it-and-it-becomes-true- don't-believe-it-and-it-doesn't. Like other religions I'm aquainted with, Islam teaches exclusion and caste, and suggests harsh penalties for _behaviors_ that have no logical call for punishment (certain limits on speech and sex, for example). To me this is not good. I see much pain and suffering without any justification, except for the _waving of the hand_ of some inaccessible god. By the by, you toss around the word knowledgable a bit carelessly. For what is a _knowledgeable believer_ except a contradiction of terms. I infer that you mean believer in terms of having faith. And If you need knowledge to believe then faith has nothing to do with it, does it? -jim halat ";-1;0 "Subject: HINT 486 VLB/ISA/EISA motherboard From: schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) Distribution: usa Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Keywords: 486, motherboard Lines: 13 I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB/ISA/EISA motherboards with HINT chipsets. Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)? Any information would be helpful! thanks -- _______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________ | Brian J Schaufenbuel [ ""There is no art which one government sooner learns ] | Helser 3644 Halsted [ than that of draining money from the pockets of the ] | Ames, Ia 50012 [ people [especially college students]."" - Adam Smith ] ";-1;0 "From: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford) Subject: Summary: ATI Graphics Ultra Questions etc Reply-To: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca Organization: Eos Systems Inc, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 147 To those interested in the new ATI Ultra Cards: I had posted some questions regarding the new ATI Ultra Pro cards and had asked confirmation of some opinions. This message is a summary of the responses. Thanks to all of you that replied. > 1) The card does not work in a system with 32M RAM. a) The higher memory limits apply to ISA cards only, as far as I know. The VLB and EISA version should have no problems. b) I'm pretty sure from my experience that the ISA version doesn't work in systems with over 16M Ram. There is supposed to be way of switching the ""memory aperture"" feature off to prevent this, but apparently it doesn't work. I posted some ""help me"" messages on the net and people indicated that the EISA card didn't have this problem. c) FALSE d) The VLB card, which I have, allows you to set memory aperture over 32M by using their configuration software. No messing with jumpers necessary. The 32M problem is probably valid only for ISA cards. > 2) The card works in a 32M system with some switches > set but it is much slower. a) Again, the memory aperture need only be disabled if you have more than 124M RAM (EISA and VLB) or 12 M (ISA). 32M should not be a problem for you. b) Dunno. c) Depends on the bus. YES if ISA, NO if EISA or Localbus > 3) The card is _interlaced_ in its 24bit (true-colour) modes. a) Nope. I can use 640x480 at 72hz, 24-bit and 800x600 at 70hz, 24-bit, all non-interlaced. b) Yes - According to PC Magazine, they've tested a local bus version that does 1024x768 in 24-bit which may or may not be interlaced. c) Not for the Pro. Sometimes for the Plus. Some modes may run only interlaced on certain monitors. This has nothing to do with 24 bits ... only with screen size. Note that for 24 bit color and Windows you MUST have 2 megs, memory size calculations notwithstanding. > 4) The latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many > cases. a) They aren't perfect, but are much improved. I don't recall the last time which I had to leave mach 32 mode (ATI GUP mode) and switch to 8514 or VGA mode due to software incompatibility. b) True. Many people recommended going back to Build 55 or 54. c) They appear to be excellent, but have a few bugs. For example, certain graphs with dashed lines in Mathcad 3.1 do not print correctly, though they do display OK on the screen. They are about par for fancy cards .. other accelerated cards also have bugs. d) Overall, I like the card, even if driver performance is somewhat less than satisfactory. I am running the 1024*768 16 Color mode as that is all my NT driver for October NT version seems to allow. I will say this that Color performance is not quite as nice as a Diamond Stealth VRAM, but I have not been able to try out a lot of the options on the old driver. > 5) This card is the fastest full colour card for the money. a) It's quite fast, but whether or not its the fastest is open to debate. b) Yes - I'll admit it was very very fast in 16-bit mode, which is what I wanted to use it for. Too bad it crashed (in many different ways) every 20 minutes or so... c) Depends on many many things. > 6) This card is the greatest thing since sliced bread. ;-) a) I like it. b) Well - PC Magazine seems to think it is. c) Yes, this appears to be true :-) d) As to greatest thing since sliced bread, I doubt it. Better cards are coming out. Who knows, maybe ATI will come out with something faster yet. Several reviews I read rated one Pycon Winjet card as a superior performer at a cheaper price except for availability of drivers, which Pycon was developing at that time. (PC Magazine, about two months or so back) Overall, the card has a lot of potential, but you have to be able to use it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is the end of the questions. These were the most discussed items in this group so I thought they needed confirmation. For those of you not familiar with the card I have included a summary here (from an ATI ad since I don't have an Graphics Ultra yet.) ATI Graphics Ultra Plus: - Accelerated 1024x768 at 65K colours - True colour(16.7M) at 800x600 - Multimedia Video Acceleration (for Indeo Video,RLE and Video 1 compressed) Stretch full motion video windows to full size - Fast VGA - Includes 3 button mouse (ISA versions only) - Anti-aliased fonts (ed. avail in 16 colour mode only,I think) - Real-time pan and zoom across large virtual windows desktop - Around a 1/2 length card size - Priced from $400 U.S. ATI Graphics Ultra Pro: - Everything in Graphics Ultra Plus - Faster performance with VRAMS - Accelerated 1280x1024 at 256 colours 74Hz non-interlaced - Available in ISA, EISA and Microchannel - Priced from $600 U.S. ATI Technologies (416) 756-0718 I hope this summary can be of use to you. Al P.S. I am not associated with ATI Technologies in any way other than having used their previous ATI Ultra card for a few years (which I generally liked). -- Alan Walford Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada Tel: 604-734-8655 aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca OR ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew ";-1;0 "From: mmccolli@comanche.ess.harris.com (Mike McCollister) Subject: Faster OAK VGA drivers??? Nntp-Posting-Host: su100l.ess.harris.com Reply-To: mmccolli@comanche.ess.harris.com Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division Lines: 21 I'm using an OAK based VGA card on my computer (640x480x256). I've downloaded the driver from ftp.cica.indiana.edu and I've had good luck with it. However, does anyone know if a faster driver is available for this card? Thanks, Mike _________________________________________________________________________ / /| +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | _________ | | | | | _ _ | Michael J. McCollister | Phone: (407) 729-7054 | | | |_| |_| | | Harris Corporation | Email: | | | |_/\/\/\|_| P.O. Box 94000 | mmccolli@su100l.ess.harris.com | | | | |_| |_| | Mailstop 100/4823 | -------------------------------- | | | |_________| Palm Bay, Florida 32905 | I'm not going to say anything | | | | stupid today. Not! |/ +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";6;1 "From: fabian@vivian.w.open.de (Fabian Hoppe) Subject: Searching CAD-software Nntp-Posting-Host: vivian Organization: SubNet - The NeXT Generation Lines: 13 Hi out there! I'm looking for (mechanic-construction)CAD-software either PD-sources or Sun 3-binaries (respective the licence.. :-). Who knows _ANY_ package (and a source/site to get it..) ? Thx, Fabian -- Fabian Hoppe Phone : ++49 2332 12580 Elsternstr. 57 Fax : ++49 2332 83741 W-5820 Gevelsberg EMail : fabian@vivian.w.open.de Germany ";-1;0 "From: jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza) Subject: Re: Seeking Moe Berg reference/info Organization: Olivetti North America (Shelton, CT) Lines: 23 In article <8813@blue.cis.pitt.edu> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >I seem to have misplaced the baseball bibliography that was posted here >recently. (That's what happens when you have to split a heap of disorganized >files from one machine among two others.) Could some kind soul repost the >bibliography, or mail me a copy? > >Also, in particular, a colleague of mine is looking for any information he >can find on Moe Berg, catcher/linguist/espion of WW2. Any references (or >anecdotes, for that matter) would be appreciated. > >Dave > I believe SI had an in-depth article on Moe a while ago. I remember that the article revealed some new facts regarding the secretive Moe. My SI subscription expired this past February, the second of two years that I received same. Therefore my guess is that the article appeared sometime in 1991-92. Can anyone else be more definitive as to a date of the SI article ? jerry ";-1;0 "From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to... Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr23.000021.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 55 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <1993Apr22.162501.747@indyvax.iupui.edu>, tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes: > In my first posting on this subject I threw out an idea of how to fund > such a contest without delving to deep into the budget. I mentioned > granting mineral rights to the winner (my actual wording was, ""mining > rights.) Somebody pointed out, quite correctly, that such rights are > not anybody's to grant (although I imagine it would be a fait accompli > situation for the winner.) So how about this? Give the winning group > (I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year > moratorium on taxes. > > Tom Freebairn Who says there is no mineral rights to be given? Who says? The UN or the US Government? Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you? The UN can't other than legal tom foolerie.. Can the truly inforce it? If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will stop you from doing it. Maybe not acknowledge you? Why can't a small company or corp or organization go an explore the great beyond of space? what right does earth have to say what is legal and what is not.. Maybe I am a few years ahead on this.. It is liek the old Catholic Church stating which was Portugals and what was Spains, and along came the Reformation and made it all null and void.. What can happen is to find a nation which is acknowledged, and offer your services as a space miner and then go mine the asteroids/mars/moon or what ever.. As long as yur sponsor does not get in trouble.. Basically find a country who wants to go into space, but can't for soem reason or another, but who will give you a ""home"".. Such as Saudia Arabia or whatever.. There are nations in the World who are not part of the UN, got to them and offer your services and such.. I know that sound crazy, but. is it.. Also once you have the means to mine the moon (or whatever) then just do it. The UN if done right can be made to be so busy with something else, they will not care.. If your worried about the US, do the same thing.. Why be limited by the short sighted people of earth.. After all they have many other things to worry about that if someone is mining the Moon or MArs or what ever.. Basically what I am saying is where is that drive of yeasteryears to go a little bit farther out, to do jus ta little bit more, and to tell the crown to piss off.. If my ancestors thought the way many today think, Id have been born in Central Europe just north of the Black Sea.. I just read a good book, ""Tower of the Gods"" Interesting.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked ";-1;0 "From: rubinoff+@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Rubinoff) Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/... Nntp-Posting-Host: spino.soar.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 15 In article <93105.230230U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David >Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading >he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy. So Gritz gave up his >chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting >Duke. I'd hardly call that ""giving up his chance to be Vice President of the US""; the chance of the Populist Party ticket winning is essentially nil. Still, it does imply that he doesn't want to be associated with Duke. Robert ";-1;0 "From: gmh@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Hughes) Subject: Re: Looking for an R5 Xserver for HP9000/385 Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 3 Update your 385 to HP-UX 9.0. You get an R5 server and libraries. Greg Hughes gmh@fc.hp.com ";-1;0 "From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: hats update... patches too! Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 15 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article XHFg2B5w165w@fringe.rain.com, dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) writes: >I've got orders for about 30-35 hats. The expensive part (not surprisingly) >is going to be having the patches made, with a setup fee of $100-200 or so. Dean, there's an old engineering saying concerning inventions and wheels. Contact #0099, he's done several runs of patches, and there is some patch-making company out there with the artwork already set up and paid for. --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... ";-1;0 "From: full_gl@pts.mot.com (Glen Fullmer) Subject: Needed: Plotting package that does... Nntp-Posting-Host: dolphin Reply-To: glen_fullmer@pts.mot.com Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group, Motorola, Inc. Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v3.07. Lines: 27 Looking for a graphics/CAD/or-whatever package on a X-Unix box that will take a file with records like: n a b p where n = a count - integer a = entity a - string b = entity b - string p = type - string and produce a networked graph with nodes represented with boxes or circles and the vertices represented by lines and the width of the line determined by n. There would be a different line type for each type of vertice. The boxes need to be identified with the entity's name. The number of entities < 1000 and vertices < 100000. It would be nice if the tool minimized line cross-overs and did a good job of layout. ;-) I have looked in the FAQ for comp.graphics and gnuplot without success. Any ideas would be appreciated? Thanks, -- Glen Fullmer, glen_fullmer@pts.mot.com, (407)364-3296 ******************************************************************************* * ""For a successful technology, reality must take precedence * * over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled."" - Richard P. Feynman * ******************************************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 34 Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) says: >Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled: >: In article txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes: >: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says: > >: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here] > >The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of >nowhere, you can eat them. And they're rather tasty. > Fuel's a bit cheaper, too. > Per gallon (bushel) perhaps. Unfortunately they eat the same amount every day no matter how much you ride them. And if you don't fuel them they die. On an annual basis, I spend much less on bike stuff than Amy the Wonder Wife does on horse stuff. She has two horses, I've got umm, lesseee, 11 bikes. I ride constantly, she rides four or five times a week. Even if you count insurance and the cost of the garage I built, I'm getting off cheaper than she is. And having more fun (IMHO). > > -- Go fast. Take chances. Mike S. ";-1;0 "From: sawicki@naspac.tc.faa.gov (Michael J. Sawicki CTA) Subject: Regal fiberglass parts ?? Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.faa.gov Summary: Regal Fiberglass parts ?? Keywords: Regal Fiberglass parts ?? I have a 1982 Regal and I am interested in buying a fiberglass hood, trunk, and bumpers for it. Does anybody know of a company who makes fiberglass parts for Regals ?? Thanks in advance, -Mike ";-1;0 "From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Nntp-Posting-Host: koufax.cv.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr15.001211.18457@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: |> In article <1993Apr14.200649.12578@pts.mot.com> ep502dn@pts.mot.com writes: |> >This certainly passes the ""common sense test"" for me, but is there any |> >statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what |> >percent is fielding? |> |> Not yet; I wish there were. It's much more difficult to tease these apart |> than to tease apart scoring runs and preventing runs. And thus, we come to one of the true beauties of baseball; these things, along with many others will never be separated. Almost *everything* in baseball is situational and interdependent. This is what allows us to carry on all the arguments that we have. If everything could be explained and balanced on a statistical basis, none of the wonder and mystery would be left. Why we might have to resort to just going out the ballyard and enjoy the game itself. --->Paul, feeling a little anti-stathead today -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula@koufax.cv.hp.com Paul Andresen Hewlett-Packard (503)-750-3511 home: 3006 NW McKinley Corvallis, OR 97330 (503)-752-8424 A SABR member since 1979 ";14;1 "From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Antifreeze/coolant Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 12 For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion, what brand of coolant do you use and why? I am looking for aluminum-safe coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon. (Can you believe it: the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!! No way I'm paying that usury...) Thanks, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. ";-1;0 "From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Re: Contact person for boots Keywords: combat Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr15.132316.4054@news.columbia.edu>, rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes: |> Would anyone out there in DoDland be able to help me out in giving |> me |> a contact to purchase a pair of military air-borne combat boots (9 |> 1/2 |> D in size). These boots (so I have read here on rec.moto) are calf |> height boots that use only velcro for enclosure. I have phoned |> around |> and nobody seems to carry such an item. I admit I have not gone |> into |> the deepest bowels of NYC yet for the search but I have made some |> calls to several of the bigger army/navy type stores with no luck. |> |> Anyone out there know of a place that does carry such an item as |> well |> as does mail order? Any help would be appreciated. |> Currently there are no ""Velcro"" jump boots as issue in the military, there are two other kinds. One is made my Cochran and sell for $85.00 in either the Clothing sales store or US Cavalry (Price match at the Cav store) the second co is also sold but somewhat cheaper in design. Actually they don't care what you wear as long is they are 10 eyelets high. There is another boot called a ""Tankers boot"" this has similar construction to a wellington boot except for the boot shape and has straps that wrap around for tightness. Nice boots -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store. ";-1;0 "From: alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine) Subject: Re: Facts about WTC Bombing Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 27 backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes: : In article <1pll52$sms@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes: : >> WHO is Josie Hadas? : : : I see you didn't notice my recent posting. : : The FBI found that ""Josie Hadas"" was simply an alias taken by Salameh. : I have the sources for the information in the Chronology, including the NY Daily News of March 5 that reports the arrest of Josie Hadas and a copy of the foreign press reports of her release shortly afterwards. What is the source for your alias story? And pray tell me how can the FBI arrest and release an alias? : : >> WHAT is the relationship between that person and the Israeli mussad? : : Zilch, zero, nothing. Like the IQ of the idiot who posted this absurdity in the : first place. What has IQ to do with collecting information and putting it forward. Why has the FBI refused comment on the Guardian reporter's question about Hadas' link with Israeli Intelligence (the information did not mention the Mossad explicitly). ";-1;0 "From: thewho@athena.mit.edu (Derek A Fong) Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: alfredo.mit.edu Interestingly enough, the CDROM 300i that came with my Quadra 800 has only 8 disks: 1. System Install 2. Kodak Photo CD sampler 3. Alice to Ocean 4. CDROM Titles 5. Application Demos 6. Mozart: Dissonant Quartet 7. Nautilus 8. Apple Chronicles Has anyone else noticed that they got less than everyone seems to be getting with the external? What I really feel I missed out on is what is supposed to a fantastic Games demo disk. I have heard that people have gotten up to 9-10 disks with their drive. I assume they get the 8 titles above plus Cinderella and the Games Demo CDROM. any comments and experiences? Should I call Apple to complain? =) Derek thewho@plume.mit.edu ";-1;0 "From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) Subject: Re: Pulldown menu periodically hangs application on OpenWindows 3.0 Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 22 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.think.com In article <1rgt23INNonv@ssdc.SSDC.Sterling.COM> rlee@ssdc.SSDC.Sterling.COM (Richard Lee) writes: >: A Motif 1.2.2 application will periodically hang when run against the >: OpenWindows 3. server (xnews). >I have seen the same problem using a SPARCStation 10, Solaris 2.1, OW 3.1. >In my case, it happens far more often than ""periodically"". I don't know if there's a corresponding patch for Solaris 2.1, but this sounds like the following bug which is supposedly fixed in 100492-06, the Solaris 1.x olwm Jumbo patch: 1108642 - window system can hang in an errant pointer grab Actually, I suspect that the OW 3.1 problem may be different, since the README file says that this patch is just a SunOS 4.x version of the OW 3.1 olwm (but maybe that line came from an earlier version of the patch, and they forgot to take it out in the -06 version). -- Barry Margolin System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp. barmar@think.com {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr15.200231.10206@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: > These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had > expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a > direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God > is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately punishable. > Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to > God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in the > age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There is > repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And not just > for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile > alike. Jews won't agree with you, Malcolm. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? Reply-To: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp Lines: 20 In-reply-to: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) In article <1r2aii$ivs@access.digex.net>, prb@access (Pat) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >>Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? > >I don't know a whole lot on Proton, but given that it is a multi stage >rocket, up to 4 stages, it may not really need the Centaur, plus >it may end up seriously beating on said centaur. The Proton has been used in 2, 3, and 4 stage versions. The two stage version was used for the first 3 launches, while the 3 and 4 stage versions are used today. The four stage version is used mostly for escape (and geosynchronous?) orbits, while the 3 stage version is used for low earth orbits. Since this is the version that launched Mir and the Salyuts (and the add-on modules for Mir), as long as Centaur is smaller than Mir (which I believe it is), it should fit under the shroud. I vaguely recall that the Russians are developing a LH2/LOX upper stage for the Proton. -- Chris Jones clj@ksr.com ";-1;0 "From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) Subject: Re: X-server multi screen Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 42 In article <1qlop6$sgp@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at>, rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) writes: > I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same > thing. Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean: > -) multi-screen > -) multi-headed > -) multi-display > -) X-Server zaphod mode As applied to servers, the first three are fuzzy terms. ""multi-headed"" tends to be used for any system with multiple monitors, sometimes even multiple screens even if they're multiplexed onto the same monitor (eg, a Sun with a cg4 display). ""multi-screen"" and ""multi-display"" would, if taken strictly, mean different things, but since the strict meaning of ""multi-display"" would refer to a system with multiple keyboards and pointers, when it's used it probably refers to the same thing ""multi-screen"" would: a system that provides multiple Screens. ""zaphod"" is a term applied to the way the MIT server switches the pointer from one screen to another by sliding it off the side of the screen. > Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle > (in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ? There is a protocol limitation that restricts a given Display to at most 255 Screens. I know of no server that handles multiple Displays on a single invocation, unless possibly my kludges to the R4 server can be looked upon as such; on a TCP-based system there is necessarily a limit of 65535 Displays per machine, but this is not a limitation inherent to X. What you read was most likely talking about a limit in some particular implementation (probably the MIT one). If it claimed there was a limit of 12 inherent to X, the author of the article had no business writing about X. der Mouse mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu ";12;1 "From: cower@csli.stanford.edu (Richard Cower) Subject: Waco dates - are these coincidental? Organization: CSLI, Stanford University Distribution: usa Lines: 34 The ATF agent interviewed on ""Street Stories"" reported that the raid was ill planned, and went ahead even when they (the BD's) knew the ATF was coming. WHY? I believe this raid was ill planned because they only had 2 days to plan it, and it was continued when failure was obvious because it had a bit part in the much larger political agenda of President Clinton. I would even suggest that the loss of 4 ATF agents is inconsequential in this the context of his political agenda. It MIGHT even be beneficial to his agenda, as it helps point up just how evil these assualt weapons are. Further proof might be that the ATF denied their agents (Street Stories report) requests for sufficient fire power. Important dates: Feb 25th - NJ assembly votes to overturn assault weapon ban. Feb 28th - Compound in Waco attacked. On Feb. 25th the New Jersey assembly voted to overturn the assault weapon ban in that state. It looked like it might be a tight vote, but the Senate in N.J. was going to vote to overturn the ban. It would not sit well to have an Eastern state overturn an assault weapon ban, given Clintons stated agenda on gun control. I suspect Clinton gave the order to get someone or some group with assualt weapons and have the press present (they were initially at the incident in Waco) to record the event for the TV audience. The agent on ""Street Stories"" reported that a supervisor was urging them all to ""get ready fast"", as ""they know we are coming"". I believe this attack continued, even tho the probablility of failure was high, because it came from the top down. After the N.J. assembly vote, the ATF had a limited amount of time to come up with something, and the Wackos in Waco fit the bill nicely. ...rich ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr12.201056.20753@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel) writes: >Now, I'm not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose; it's very >hard to culture Bb in most cases. The point is that Dr. N has developed a >""feel"" for what is and what isn't LD. This comes from years of experience. >No serology can match that. Unfortunately, some would call Dr. N a ""quack"" >and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck. > Why do you think he would be called a quack? The quacks don't do cultures. They poo-poo doing more lab tests: ""this is Lyme, believe me, I've seen it many times. The lab tests aren't accurate. We'll treat it now."" Also, is Dr. N's practice almost exclusively devoted to treating Lyme patients? I don't know *any* orthopedic surgeons who fit this pattern. They are usually GPs. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";4;1 "From: ihorton@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Dr Zippy) Subject: Re: Sexual Proposition = Sexual Harassment? Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysh Organization: Dr Zippys psycho surgery Lines: 13 In article <930316.144130.lynn@pcgeo23> lynn@granitt.uio.no (Malcolm Lynn) writes: > >this is a tesrt >s Of your spelling, eh? Dr Zippy. -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Dr Zippy, proof that ""Dum blonde"" isn't a women only title | +------------------------------------------------------------+ ihorton@uk.ac.coventry.cck ";-1;0 "From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Red Barn Data Center Lines: 83 In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes: >> >> They cut off the water, there were no fire trucks present > >They refused to bring in fire equipment for fear that the firemen >would be shot at. > >>and the FBI/ATF go blasting holes into the builing and firing gas munitions. > >They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released >non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building. Take a second look at ""non-toxic, non-flammable"": MACE (sold tothe public) is supposedly nontoxic. Whatthey do not tell you is that if you get mace directly on the linings of the lungs (such as a direct snort to the face) above certain quantities, it reacts similarly to a mustard gas inhalation. I know: my father and grandfather were exposed to poison gas in WWI and WWII; Dad went through the side effects of any WEAPON, including those ""non-toxic"" aerosols. WHat the label ACTUALLY means is :: usually, it wont kill you it may give you permanent CSS asthsma but that's better than blowing a hole in your head ... ALL aerosols are flammable IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH OXYGEN AND HIT IT WITH THE RIGHT IGNITER. SOme of the most non-flammable substances known will BOOM or SEARFLAME if you hit it with the right combo. Let's take one: a trash can fire. Makes black smoke; already burned right? Can't go boom, right? Wrong. Suck that smoke (made up of paper that has carbonized, or burned about 35% of the fuel in it) into an air conditioning return, mix with about 5:1 air, and light a match. 200 feet of conduit is about the same, when filled with that smoke mixture, as oh, say 200 pounds TNT THAT is why the fire codes say NO OPEN CEILING TILES IN BUILDINGS. Because 3-5 stories of a building have blown OUT by ""nonflammable _smoke_"" So: Take a little ""nonflammable aerosol"" Mix with gasoline or kerosene fumes NO electricity, remeber? A bit of heating on the WACO plains? Boil water to drink since the water was cut off? liberally mix and allow to settle for 1-4 hours Fumes vent down into the bus underground, and the Davidians move the children UPSTAIRS to a saferoom (they had one, armor plated, remember?) to BREATH, because kids get sick and die from tear gas. and along comes a tracer, a spark, what have you: everyone burns to death. Try thinking before opening mouth: it may not have happened the way the Gmen say it did. > >-- >_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun >/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire >_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. > / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. > / is that it ends. -- Rousseau ";-1;0 "From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe Lines: 13 mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: mjs>Well, there are just as many courses here and elsewhere that do *not* mjs>teach the technique, yet seem to be rather successful... Sure. You don't miss what you never had. Those poor sods don't know what they're missing. I guess ignorance is bliss, eh Mike? Mr. Bill -- + Bill Leavitt, #224 + '82 CBX ""White Lightning"", '82 GS850G ""Suzibago"" + + leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 ""Little Honda"", '68 Lone Star ""Sick Leave"" + + DoD AMA ICOA NIA + '69 Impala convertible ""The Incredible Hulk"", others + + ""Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!"" Michael Bain, #757 + ";7;1 "From: drevik@utkvx.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve) Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center Lines: 32 In article , goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes... >In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes: >>In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C >>OM (Mark Wilson) writes: >>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling >>>his so called stimulus package. >>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free >>>immunizations for poor kids. >> >>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to >>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents >>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done. I don't know where YOU live, but this is not the case nationawide. Perhaps your state or municipality has put together the funds to do so, but in my area and most areas where I know people, immunizations cost $$$. Sorry to shatter your stereotypes. > > In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health > care ACCESS program. ""Access"" here means that folks who do not give > a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services > delivered to their doorsteps. > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: kramersc@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Kramer) Subject: Re: Daily Verse Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 14 In article Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) writes: >How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather >than silver! > >Proverbs 16:16 Ah and how...??? Amen to that one!!!!!! Thanks Chuck for sharing... after all, no one can serve two masters...God and money...... after all, the preciousness of God as Lord and Savior is far more valuable than being a millionaire will ever be... In Him, Scott ";-1;0 "From: emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) Subject: Re: Can sin ""block"" our prayers? Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA Lines: 28 In article jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: > >This verse also makes me think of the kind of husband who decides what >is God's will for his family without consulting his wife. God reveals >His will to both the husband and the wife. There needs to be some >degree of mutuality in decision making. Even those whose understanding >of the Bible leads to a belief in an authoritarian headship of the >husband need to incorporate this in order to have a functional family. >One way to look at it is that God speaks to the wife through the husband >and to the husband through the wife. > > >Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org I agree. God makes the husband the head of the house. But he surely can't do it alone. He needs the help of his beloved wife whom the Lord gave him. At least that's how it is in my house. I thank God for the beautiful woman He has brought into my life. I couldn't lead without the help of my wonderful wife. -- John Emery ""I will praise you, O Lord my God, with all my heart; emery@tc.fluke.COM I will glorify your name forever. For great is your love toward me; you have delivered me from the depths of the grave."" (Psalm 86:12-13) ";-1;0 "From: then@snakemail.hut.fi (Tomi H Engdahl) Subject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit ~ Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 17 <1ptolq$p7e@werple.apana.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-11.hut.fi In-reply-to: petert@zikzak.apana.org.au's message of 7 Apr 1993 05:26:18 GMT In article <1ptolq$p7e@werple.apana.org.au> petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.) writes: >Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 10V. >How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V. >On-hook = LED on >Off-hook = LED off. >Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know. Not recommended. Your circuit would take too much current, when telephone is on-hook. Telephone company does not like it. -- Tomi.Engdahl@hut.fi ! LOWERY'S LAW: then@niksula.hut.fi ! ""If it jams - force it. If it breaks, ! it needed replacing anyway."" * This text is provided ""as is"" without any express or implied warranty * ";-1;0 "From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) Subject: Re: Spanky Released Keywords: WHY!?! Organization: Colorado Needs the Huckabay Kiteball Campaign Committee Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr12.130652.22090@sei.cmu.edu> wp@sei.cmu.edu (William Pollak) writes: [Deletions] > >Spanky isn't very good defensively anymore, he's an offensive liability, and, >judging from his outburst this winter after the Bucs failed to sign Drabek, >he's a jerk with his head in the sand. Tommy Prince, on the other hand, can't >hit. In the paper, Simmons was citing the case of Tom Pagnozzi, who never hit >in the minors or majors, but suddenly somehow learned how. Geez, Dal must have slipped something into Ted's drink sometime. Comparing Prince to Pagnozzi offensively is laughable. Prince has never hit well in the minors and he's now 27 years old, I think. Pagnozzi was not a bad hitter in the minors. (I'll bring in the numbers tomorrow assuming I don't have another brain cramp and forget.) He had a very good year at Louisville before coming up to the majors. As I recall, the hype on Pagnozzi coming up in the organization was good hit, decent fielding. When he got to the majors and didn't hit as well as expected (not as much playing time?), he became Exhibit 312 in Nichols' Law of Catcher Defense and got the reputation as an outstanding defensive catcher. It's not clear he ever learned to hit. His four years with more than 100 AB-- Born 31 July 1962 Year AB BA SLG OBA 1988 195 .282 .320 .328 1990 220 .277 .373 .321 1991 459 .264 .351 .317 1992 485 .249 .359 .290 No power, less-than-league-average walks, peak year when he turned 28, now declining. If Ted is going to invoke Pagnozzi as a model for Prince, given that Prince has underperformed Pagnozzi in the minors, it's not a rosy picture. BTW, I'm still unhappy with moving Zeile, who had the same reputation coming up in the Cardinal organization as Pagnozzi, except that he was a much, much better hitter, to 3rd where he could be an average hitter and a below average fielder instead of a well-above average hitter as an average (or below average) fielding catcher. Harold -- Harold Brooks hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu National Severe Storms Laboratory (Norman, OK) ""I used to work for a brewery, too, but I didn't drink on the job."" -P. Bavasi on Dal Maxvill's view that Florida can win the NL East in '93 ";-1;0 "From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California Distribution: usa Lines: 30 rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes ... >ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes: >>040 486 030 386 020 286 > >How about some numbers here? Some kind of benchmark? Benchmarks are for marketing dweebs and CPU envy. OK, if it will make you happy, the 486 is faster than the 040. BFD. Both architectures are nearing then end of their lifetimes. And especially with the x86 architecture: good riddance. >Besides, for 0 wait state performance, you'd need a cache anyway. I mean, >who uses a processor that runs at the speed of 80ns SIMMs? Note that this >memory speed corresponds to a clock speed of 12.5 MHz. The point being the processor speed is only one of many aspects of a computers performance. Clock speed, processor, memory speed, CPU architecture, I/O systems, even the application program all contribute to the overall system performance. >>And roughly, the 68040 is twice as fast at a given clock >>speed as is the 68030. > >Numbers? Look them up yourself. -- Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche ";-1;0 "From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 39 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes: [Stuff about the connection between IDE and IDA deleated] >8MHz clock, 16 bit width, 5MB/sec. If IDE speed come from IDA WHERE does the 8.3MB/s sighted for IDE come from? SCSI is not complex. It is just the way the industry uses and talks about it. There are THREE key differences in SCSI; the controller chip, the port, and the software. THAT IS IT. Let us look as SCSi in from THIS stand point. SCSI-1: asynchronous and synchronous modes {SOFTWARE SCSI DRIVER ONLY} asynchronous is slower then synchronous mode {only 0-3MB/s vs. 0-5MB/s} synchronous speeds can be reached by most SCSi-1 divices with a rewrite of the software driver {As is the case for the Mac Quadra.} SCSI-2 {8-bit}: THIS is the main source for the confusion. This differs from SCSI-1 ONLY in the controler chip in most machines. In the Mac and some PCs this is called 'fast SCSI-1' because it uses SCSI-1 ports and software drivers AND can produce SCSI-2 SPEEDS through SCSI-1 INSPITE of this even in the slower asynchronous mode. Average speed in asynchronous SCSi-1 mode 4-6MB/s with 8MB/s{See in both Quadras and higher end PCs} Synchronous mode just allows a higher burst rate {10/MB/s} SCSI-2 {16-bit}: TWO versions-Wide/Fast. Wide SCSI-2 requires TWO things over 8-bit SCSI-2: a SCSI-2 software driver and a wide SCSI port on the machine and the external device. Fast SCSI-2 also requires TWO things over 8-bit SCSI-2: SCSI-2 driver software and that the RECIEVING devise support 16-bit fast SCSI-2. Speed of both is the same: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst. SCSI-2 {32-bit}: Also know as Wide AND Fast SCSI. Over 8-bit SCSI-2 this requires: SCSI-2 driver software, wide SCSI-2 port, and that the RECIEVING devices ALSO have a 32-bit mode SCSI-2 chip. As expected this is VERY expencive. Speed: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s bursts As I said SIMPLE. Seven versions of SCSI seperated by software, the controler chip, and the port. Standarize the SOFTWARE and it DROPS to only FIVE versions of SCSI seperate by only HARDWARE {the chip and the port} ";-1;0 "From: randy@ve6bc.ampr.ab.ca (Randy J. Pointkoski) Subject: Needed 24 volt 4 circuit Flasher Organization: Amateur Radio VE6BC Lines: 17 I am looking for a source for a 4 circuit Sequence flasher. Input 24 Volts AC, 8 amps Output: sequence to 4 channels (knob to vary frequency) (max 2 amps per leg) Switch to put all channels on full time Please Email any assistance you can provide. Randy Email: randy@ve6bc.ampr.ab.ca -- __ / ) Randy J Pointkoski P.Eng / __________ _ __ _ _ _ o ________ Compression Technologies (__/ (_) / / / <_/_)_/ (_What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be ""the truth"" so no >flames, please. It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior >corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies. >I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if >they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to >attempts by Japanese, French, and other competitive companies and >governments to break. >I'd be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about >the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly >satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms). >I'd trust the NSA or the President if they stated there were no trap >doors--I'd be even happier if a committee of independent experts examined >the thing under seal of secrecy and reported back that it was secure. >I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from some >Swiss or anybody Japanese. A lot of us out here in the hinderland will trust the Japanese before we'll trust the NSA, the President, or those stupid Fortune 50 companies you're so proud of. >This may seem surprising to some here, but I suggest most corporations would >feel the same way. Most/many/some (pick one) corporations have an attitude >that the NSA is part of our government and ""we support our government"", as >one very famous CEO put it to me one day. >Just some perspective from another point of view. And since the Japanese corps aren't part of our ""government/governors"" they may be more trusted out htere than you are. People are getting tired of this ""be patriotic, do whatever we say without question, and pay more taxes"" attitude that comes from America's political party... or should that be caste? >-- >David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of > our information, errors and omissions excepted. -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils) From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 21 In article , wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu ( Rex Wang ) writes: > Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they > have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as > first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be > different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey. > I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points > with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put > win as first in a tie breaker...... Then allow me to enlighten you, Rex. You see, there's a thing called a tie. A tie is worth one point (I know, I know. You're not good at math. But bear with me). A win is worth two points. So, getting two ties is the same as getting one win. If your team played two games, won one and lost one, you'd have two points. If my team played two games and tied them both, we'd also have two points. We'd be tied in the standings even though our records are different. Perhaps you should learn something about hockey before posting again. (I am starting to sound like Roger or what?) Alan ";-1;0 "From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions Keywords: Saturn, Subaru, manual, automatic Article-I.D.: engr.Apr19.045221.19525 Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu an excellent automatic can be found in the subaru legacy. it switches to ""sport"" mode when the electronics figure it, not when the driver sets the switch.. which is the proper way to do it, IMO. so what does ""sport"" mode entail? several things: 1) revving to red line (or to the rev limiter in the case of the legacy) 2) delayed upshifts. (i.e. if you lift off briefly, it will remain in the low gear. this is handy if you are charging through corners and would like to do without the distraction of upshifts when there's another curve approaching) 3) part throttle downshifts, based on the *speed* at which the pedal is depressed, rather than the *position* of the pedal. modern electronics can measure this very easily and switch to sport mode. this is wonderful if you want to charge through a green light about to turn red. my audi senses this very well and can downshift on as little as half throttle if my right foot is fast enough. also, i think that a smart automatic can deliver better gas mileage than a dumb driver with a stick, all else being equal.. remember that the idea of a stick being more economical than an automatic makes a big assumption that the driver is smart enough to know what gear to use for each situation.. how many times have you ridden with an inattentive driver cruising on the highway at 55/65 in 4th gear (of a 5 speed)? how many % of people who drive manuals *really* know what the best gear to use is for every conceivable situation? i'm sure there will be some who know, but i suspect that a chip controlled automatic with all possible scenario/ratio combinations stored in ROM is likely to do better. i can also say that all my previous assumptions were proved wrong after i got a car with instantaneous mpg readout... high gear, low revs and wide open throttle is more economical than low gear, high revs and small throttle opening. the explanation is quite simple if one sits down to think about it, but not that obvious at first sight. eliot ";-1;0 "From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 42 Reply-To: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) says: >In article <1qh61m$b6l@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed >>to go fast. >you have a point about the brakes, especially seeing as how the >mustang doesn't even have disc brakes in the back. >but there are significant differences between the latest 911s and >the late 80's 911s, not the least of which is handling. i'm not ^^ I think you mean late '60s. The biggest change that Porsche undertook to alter the tailhappieness of their baby was way back in August 1968 (for the '69 model year) when they stretched the wheelbase. Besides, some people actually _KNOW_ how to take advantage of oversteer, and enjoy it. >in europe. the 911 got low marks for high speed handling (though to >be fair, they might have been comparing it to the vette's handling). ^^^^^ >what was that phil hill (famous race car driver) said about the ^^^^ ^^^^ You should have seen what Phil Hill (_*WORLD CHAMPION*_) had to say about the Vette's he's driven. >911 turbo? you can't make a thoroughbred out of a pig, but you can >have an awful fast pig. ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ Yeah, that was what he said. :-) Paul Frere agreed. They both prefered the Porsche (modified by Ruf) to either of the Vette's at that test. -- Al Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke 'blad Iaido NASA ""Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"" -Mary Chapin-Carpenter ";-1;0 "From: matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy) Subject: Re: Patents (was RC2 RC4) Nntp-Posting-Host: wardibm2.med.yale.edu Organization: Yale U. - Genetics Lines: 30 In article , bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) wrote: > > ahaley@eoe.co.uk (Andrew Haley) writes: > > > : Coca-Cola has always understood it. > > > Coca-cola is made under licence in dozens of countries around the > > world. You're crazy if you think PepsiCo doesn't know the recipe. > > In all those countries Coca-cola is distributed in a form of > concentrate what the local producers simply mix with water and other > simple ingredients. The trick is to know what is in the concentrate... > I don't know if this is still true, but at one time Coca-Cola took elaborate measures to keep the formula secret. For instance, several plants in different cities each made one of six partial concentrates, which were then shipped back-and forth and remixed in a complicated scheme so that no single plant made the whole formula. By now, I would guess that PepsiCo's chemists would have reverse-engineered it; can't be all that exotic. Actually I prefer Pepsi anyhow; in about 3 minutes I'm gonna put money into a Pepsi vending machine... Matt Healy ""I pretend to be a network administrator; the lab net pretends to work"" matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu ";-1;0 "From: dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd) Subject: What video board for my system? Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 40 Reply-To: David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu I'd appreciate any advice about a video card for my system: 486-33 DX, 16 mb of ram on a Novell 3.11 network Monitor: NEC 4FGe, capable of 76 Hz vertical refresh rate Major considerations: I expect I will work mostly in windows, but with some DOS applications and I would want decent speed in DOS. I do mostly word processing, database and communications--not much intensive graphics. With a 15"" monitor, I expect I will work mostly in 800X600 and 256 colors seems plenty, but I'd like like the image to be sharp, fast, and rock solid. Other considerations: I sometimes run a Unix clone (Coherent) and I understand that some companies (e.g. Diamond?) don't encourage the third-party development of drivers. I might move to OS/2 if I decide I need better speed and reliability than I get with Windows for my database work and multitasking. I don't have a local bus motherboard--I'm not sure how much to invest in an ISA video board (versus getting something less expensive now and upgrading to local bus later). I like buying things from companies that treat their customers well. If you have any advice for me, I'd love to hear it via email or post. Thanks. |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David M. Todd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| |Department of Psychology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 USA| |Phone: 413/545-0158 ___ ____ Fax: 413/545-0996| ";-1;0 "From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) Subject: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks) Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley Lines: 51 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr20.184432.21485@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: > For the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is >anywhere from 1/2"" to 7/8"" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded >in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type >locking mechanism. I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's >more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat >in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8"" model). > > FYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck. A word of warning, though: Kryptonite also sells almost useless cable locks under the Kryptonite name. When I obtained my second motorcycle, I migrated one of my Kryptonite U-locks from my bicycle to the new bike. I then went out shopping for a new lock for the bicycle. For about the same money ($20) I had the choice of a Kryptonite cable lock (advantages: lock front and back wheels on bicycle and keep them both, Kryptonite name) or a cheesy no-name U-lock (advantages: real steel). I chose the Kryptonite cable. After less than a week, I took it back in disgust and exchanged it for the cheesy no-name U-lock. First, the Krypto cable I bought is not made by Kryptonite, is not covered by the Kryptonite guarantee, and doesn't even approach Kryptonite standards of quality and quality assurance. It is just some generic made-in-Taiwan cable lock with the Kryptonite name on it. Secondly, the latch engagement mechanism is something of a joke. I don't know if mine was a particularly poor example, but it was often quite frustrating to get the latch to positively engage, and sometimes it would seem to engage, only to fall open when I went to unlock it. Thirdly, the lock has a little plastic door on the keyway which serves the sole purpose of frustrating any attempt to insert the key in the dark. I didn't try it (obviously), but I have my doubts that the lock mechanism would stand up to an ""insert screwdriver and TORQUE"" attack. Fourthly, the cable was not, in my opinion, of sufficient thickness to deter theft (for my piece of crap bicycle, that is). All cables suffer the weakness that they can be cut a few strands at a time. If you are patient you can cut cables with fingernail clippers. Aviation snips would go through the cable in well under a minute. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Robinson UUCP: ucbvax!cogsci!robinson INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu ";-1;0 "From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: FL Lines: 22 >I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged >couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? I'm waiting for an RC to speak up ! 8-) Nobody has, so I will... Those with Bibles on hand can give the exact chapter & verse... At the time Jesus told Peter that he was the ""rock"", He said whatever you hold true on earth is held true in heaven, and whatever you don't hold true won't be true in heaven. Therefore, with respect to marriage, the ceremony has to be done by an RC priest. No big parties required. Just the priest, the couple and witnesses. ""Divorce"" is not allowed. But anullments are granted upon approval by either the bishop or the Pope (not sure if the Pope delegates this function). -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | The Lost Los Angelino | ";-1;0 "From: ohayon@jcpltyo.jcpl.co.jp (Tsiel Ohayon) Subject: Hamza does it again. Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan Lines: 18 Hamza answers one of my articles: [TO] If indeed Israeli soldiers killed a ""Hamas Mujahid"" with an anti-tank [TO] missile then I'm almost sure that the ""terrorist zionists"" would not [TO] have been able to cut up a body which was probably desintegrated by the [TO] missile. [Hamza] maybe the missile didn't hit directly such that his body [Hamza] gets ""desintegrated."" of course, destroying 10 houses to [Hamza] kill someone is not a surgical operation, or is it? Well done Hamza. You edited my answer to Anas Omran, took everything out of context and then replied to it the way you wanted. Now I really understand why the peace process is not making any progress. You guys ain't listening, just babbling away to your same old rhetoric. Tsiel ";-1;0 "From: jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Robertson) Subject: ATI GUP and Graphics Wkshop/Win Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 I have an ATI Graph. Ultra Pro VLB w/2 megs, and have a small question about Graphics Workshop for Windows. When I exit from it it says my current driver can handle on 32768 colors when I am actually in 1024x768x65000 color mode. Is this a driver problem, a GWS error, or what? I am using the 1.5(59) driver under Win 3.1. It correctly states that I can display 16M colors when I switch to 800x600x24bit, though. Another question- Anybody know of any Viewers that support this card other than Windows viewers? Any help would be appreciated. ";-1;0 "From: khcheng@unix.amherst.edu (KIM HONG CHENG) Subject: Telepath 96/96 FAX/MODEM FOR GATEWAY Organization: Amherst College Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] GATEWAY Telepath 9600/9600 FAx/modem for gateway computer with crosstalk, Winfax Pro 2.01 for windows Never used. $170 shipped ($195 from gateway) Hong ";-1;0 "From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Is Morality Constant (was Re: Biblical Rape) Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 65 Jim Perry (perry@dsinc.com) wrote: : }Xenophobia, both *de facto* and *de jure* as implemented : }in legal systems, is widespread, while the Bible, : }although not 100% egalitarian, specifically preaches : }kindness to the stranger, and emphasizes in the Book : }of Ruth, that a foreigner can join the nation and : }give rise to one of the great heroes of the nation. : : Clearly better than the alternative, but as an American what strikes : me as strange about this story is that it should have even been : considered an issue. Jim, There are a couple of things about your post and others in this thread that are a little confusing. An atheist is one for whom all things can be understood as processes of nature - exclusively. There is no need for any recourse to Divnity to describe or explain anything. There is no purpose or direction for any event beyond those required by physics, chemistry, biology, etc.; everything is random, nothing is determnined. This would also have to include human intelligence of course and all its products. There is nothing requiring that life evolve or that it acquire intelligence, it's just a happy accident. For an atheist, no event can be preferred to another or be said to have more or less value than another in any naturalistic sense, and no thought -about- an event can have value. The products of our intelligence are acquired from our environment, from teaching, training, observation and experience and are only significant to the individual mind wherein they reside. These mental processes and the images they produce for us are just electrical activity and nothing more; content is of no consequence. The human mind is as much a response to natural forces as water running down a hill. How then can an atheist judge value? What is the basis for criticizing the values ennumerated in the Bible or the purposes imputed to God? On what grounds can the the behavior of the reliogious be condemned? It seems that, in judging the values that motivate others to action, you have to have some standard against which conduct is measured, but what in nature can serve that purpose? What law of nature can you invoke to establish your values. Since every event is entirely and exclusively a physical event, what difference could it possibly make what -anyone- does, religious or otherwise, there can be no -meaning- or gradation of value. The only way an atheist can object to -any- behaviour is to admit that the objection is entirely subjective and that he(she) just doesn't like it - that's it. Any value judgement must be prefaced by the disclaimer that it is nothing more than a matter of personal opinion and carries no weight in any ""absolute"" sense. That you don't like what God told people to do says nothing about God or God's commands, it says only that there was an electrical event in your nervous system that created an emotional state that your mind coupled with a pre-existing thought-set to form that reaction. That your objections -seem- well founded is due to the way you've been conditioned; there is no ""truth"" content. The whole of your intellectual landscape is an illusion, a virtual reality. I didn't make these rules, it's inherent in naturalistic atheism and to be consistent, you have to accept the non-significance of any human thought, even your own. All of this being so, you have excluded yourself from any discussion of values, right, wrong, goood, evil, etc. and cannot participate. Your opinion about the Bible can have no weight whatsoever. Bill ";-1;0 "From: schaefer@imag.imag.fr (Arno Schaefer) Subject: Re: CView answers Nntp-Posting-Host: silene Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France Lines: 32 In article , bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes: |> In <1993Apr16.114158.2246@whiting.mcs.com> sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) writes: |> |> >A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I |> >am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.) |> >Thanks! |> > |> |> Ho boy. There is no way in HELL you are going to be able to view GIFs or do |> any other graphics in Linux without X windows! I love Linux because it is |> so easy to learn.. You want text? Okay. Use Linux. You want text AND |> graphics? Use Linux with X windows. Simple. Painless. REQUIRED to have |> X Windows if you want graphics! This includes fancy word processors like |> doc, image viewers like xv, etc. |> Sorry, Bryan, this is not quite correct. Remember the VGALIB package that comes with Linux/SLS? It will switch to VGA 320x200x256 mode *without* Xwindows. So at least it is *possible* to write a GIF viewer under Linux. However I don't think that there exists a similar SVGA package, and viewing GIFs in 320x200 is not very nice. Best Regards, Arno -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arno Schaefer ENSIMAG, 2e Annee Email: schaefer@silene.imag.fr Tel.: (33) 76 51 79 95 :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Article-I.D.: dixie.8#_v!0a Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Lines: 44 wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >I have a project that was drooped in my lap that is somewhat a pain to design. >What I am looking for is a stable ultra-long solid state timer. What they want >to do is to place this thing on the Antartic ice shelf and measure the amount >of snow fall over a period of six weeks. Every two weeks, they want to trip a >selonoid to discharge different colored pellets by gas pressure out across the >snow. Then by digging down into the snow, the snow fall amount can be measured >as they come to the different color pellets. >The problem is trying to build a timer that would stand the cold (-40 degrees) >and a power source that wouldn't drain. I have looked at the XR-2204 timers and >the standard NE556 dual timers, but thier temp specs won't go that low. Also, >two weeks equates to 1,209,600 seconds per firing, which means one big timing >cap ! I have found 2.2 farad (yes, Farad !) caps that have a working voltage of >5 volts and are small in size. Why are you fooling around with analog for this job? A single chip micro and a crystal will do the job reliably and easily. An 8748 only costs about $5. That and a $1 crystal and you're in business. Embed the whole thing in a foam insulated blanket, power it from a solar cell, use the excess power to heat the assembly during the day and rely on the insulation to hold the heat during darkness. If you don't want to try thermal management, contact someone like ICL and have them cut you a special low temperature crystal. It'll cost at most $20. If you use a single chip micro, you're looking at a parts count of maybe 7. A processor, a crystal, two caps on the crystal, a power FET to fire the solenoid a flyback diode and a battery. This is fewer parts than you can build an analog timer for and is infinitely more reliable. Add a power zener diode (for heat) and a solar cell and the parts count screams up to 9. PD assemblers are available for all the common single chip micros. This application is so trivial you could even look up the op codes in the programmer's guide and create the binary with a hex editor. John -- John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to jgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag Need Usenet public Access in Atlanta? Write Me for info on Dixie.com. ";11;1 "From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: Dumb Question: Function Generator Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 36 1) Output offset: Obtain the service manual for the oscilloscope and adjust the internal output offset contorl. There is virtual certainty that there is an internal ajustment for the offset control's zero detent position. 2) Verify that the function generator is properly loaded. Many generators expect you to supply a 50 ohm load. Go to a hamfest flea market and scrounge around for a pass-through 50 ohm terminator that has a male and female BNC (or whatever) connector on it. The calibrator on my Tektronix scope is designed to put out .4v into a 1 meg load, but .1 volt into a 50 ohm load. You may also find that loading the output of the function generator also reduces the harmonic distortion. Build an attenuator. You don't have to use (and I wouldn't want to use) the input impedance of the device under test as part of the voltage divider to drop the input test voltage. Consider this: ------10K--------+---------? ohm ---- | Gen 50 ohm D.U.T. (loaded) | -----------------+------------------- Think about the ratio of 50/10K and then think about the accuracy to which you can read voltages on your oscilloscope. You can virtually discount the loading of the D.U.T. Also you have the millivolt test generator you want. Good luck, -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED ";11;1 "From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) Subject: Re: Can I use a CD4052 analog multiplexer for digital signals? Organization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 13 Tall Cool One (rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: : As the subject says - Can I use a 4052 for digital signals? I don't see : why it couldn't handle digital signals, but I could be wrong. Anyone have : any advice? Thanks. The switches have a non-negligable on resistance (up to 1k ohm when powered by 5 volts) and a maximum current and a Maximum Static Voltage Across Switch. Not a good bet for TTL. Should work for CMOS, but slow things down a bit. There are 74HC versions that have better specs. but lower max voltage. Mark Zenier markz@ssc.wa.com markz@ssc.com ";11;1 "From: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) Subject: Re: Andy: how do we stop people with a gun? Summary: Guns can kill: that's why I have them. Keywords: guns handguns rifles shotguns Reply-To: stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) Distribution: na Organization: Handmade Designs, Salem, OR, USA Lines: 169 In article <1993Apr7.141930.29582@freenet.carleton.ca> ac002@Freenet.carleton.ca (Nikolaus Maack) writes: >Come on. A gun kills people. Rather, people kill people with guns. The sad truth is: sometimes that is good, or at least, better than the alternative. >But let's ignore guns for defence and/or crime and look at gun accidents. Ok. There are about 1400 fatal firearm accidents per year [1], and the number has been in decline since early this century [2]. Most of these accidents involve rifles or shot guns, not handguns. ... >But seriously: a gun is designed to fire a bullet. This is not so you >can shoot cardboard cut outs down at the range. In fact there are both guns and bullets designed specifically for that. The idea that my Ruger Mark II Bull Barrel (a semi-auto 0.22 caliber handgun) was designed to kill or hurt people, even for self defense, would, I'm sure, come as a surprise to its designer. It certainly isn't why I have it. It certainly would hurt someone if you shot them with it, and might even kill them, but it is simply wrong to say it was designed to kill people. >This is not designed to act as a tool for home defence where you show >someone that you have a gun and they go ""Gee, perhaps I should leave"". In fact, that is what happens most of the time. Most self defensive uses of firearms don't involve firing any shots. Most criminals would prefer not to be shot, and will go to some effort not to be, including doing what you say when you point a gun at them. If you were called on to design a tool, that could be easily carried, to immediately stop someone attacking you, what would it be? A handgun is about the best anyone has come up with and experience shows it does work the best.[3] >No, you see the gun was designed to fire that little bullet into a human >body and hurt them. Not a tough concept to swallow, for most. Certainly, no one argues that handguns (of the type we are discussing) aren't deadly weapons. However, it simply isn't true to say that all of them were designed to kill people. Moreover, what exactly is wrong with having deadly weapons? There are times when it is perfectly legitimate to use deadly force, e.g. in self defense. I consider it not just my right, but my duty to defend myself and my family, and that includes having and knowing how to use the tools to do that. ""The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."" - T. Jefferson. I think what Jefferson said is still true. >And the trouble with having such an item is often the little bullet goes >off into the wrong fleshy target. Not very often compared to other use.[3] >Or else Uncle Frank gets pissed and blows away his wife. This isn't that common either, at least when compared to other uses. It is very rare that a non-violent person will suddenly ""get-pissed"" and kill someone, gun or not. In most cases, the people who murder have long histories of violence. If you have good reason to believe that these people wouldn't kill if they didn't have a gun, feel free to present it. >Having a thing specificly designed to kill means it is much easier to >kill things. Right? Right, but there are times when killing things is called for. I hope I never have to shoot a person, but I've had to kill a number of animals from rodents to cows, and when I do, I don't want them to suffer any more than is necessary. I prefer they die instantly, but failing that, I want them to drop so I can quickly finish them with the next shot, and failing that, I don't want them to go fast or far. I try to choose the best weapon and ammunition I have to try to achieve that goal for the size of animal I'm after, but it doesn't always work as I plan. Without belaboring the point, people who are overly impressed with the killing or shopping power of guns, particularly handguns, haven't used them much for that purpose. [1] Accidental deaths in 1988: 48700 deaths by auto 11300 deaths by fall 5300 deaths by drowning 4800 deaths by fire 4400 deaths by poison 3200 deaths by food 1400 deaths by firearm Source: Statistics Department, National Safety Council. ""Accidents Facts 1988 Edition"". National Safety Council. 444 N. Michigan Avenue, Chicago IL 606111 (800) 621-7619 [2] RKBA.002 - Declining trend of accidental deaths by firearms Version 1.1 (last changed on 90/04/23 at 22:28:19) DESCRIPTION =========== The accidental deaths by firearm per capita has been declining steadily for almost sixty years. In 1932, the accidental deaths by firearm per 1,000,000 people was 24.03. In 1987, it was 5.74. The decline has been steady, consistent, and a fairly straight line when plotted. At the rate of the last sixty years, it will reach zero sometime around 2025 AD. CONCLUSION ========== Firearms have been a declining factor in accidental deaths for over sixty years, despite rising per-capita gun ownership. [1] = Year. [2] = Population. [3] = Accidental deaths. [4] = Accidental deaths per 1,000,000. [1] [2] [3] [4] [1] [2] [3] [4] 1932 124,840,000 3,000 24.03 1961 183,691,000 2,204 12.00 1933 125,579,000 3,014 24.00 1962 186,538,000 2,092 11.21 1934 126,374,000 3,033 24.00 1963 189,242,000 2,263 11.96 1935 127,250,000 2,799 22.00 1964 191,889,000 2,275 11.86 1936 128,053,000 2,817 22.00 1965 194,303,000 2,344 12.06 1937 128,825,000 2,576 20.00 1966 196,560,000 2,558 13.01 1938 129,825,000 2,726 21.00 1967 198,712,000 2,896 14.57 1939 130,880,000 2,618 20.00 1968 200,706,000 2,394 11.93 1940 132,122,000 2,375 17.98 1969 202,677,000 2,309 11.39 1941 133,402,000 2,396 17.96 1970 204,879,000 2,406 11.74 1942 134,860,000 2,678 19.86 1971 207,661,000 2,360 11.36 1943 136,739,000 2,282 16.69 1972 209,896,000 2,442 11.63 1944 138,397,000 2,392 17.28 1973 211,909,000 2,618 12.35 1945 139,928,000 2,385 17.04 1974 213,854,000 2,613 12.22 1946 141,389,000 2,801 19.81 1975 215,854,000 2,380 11.03 1947 144,126,000 2,439 16.92 1976 218,035,000 2,059 9.44 1948 146,631,000 2,191 14.94 1977 220,239,000 1,982 9.00 1949 149,188,000 2,330 15.62 1978 222,585,000 1,806 8.11 1950 151,684,000 2,174 14.33 1979 225,055,000 2,004 8.90 1951 154,287,000 2,247 14.56 1980 227,757,000 1,955 8.58 1952 156,954,000 2,210 14.08 1981 230,138,000 1,871 8.13 1953 159,565,000 2,277 14.27 1982 232,520,000 1,756 7.55 1954 162,391,000 2,271 13.98 1983 234,799,000 1,695 7.22 1955 165,275,000 2,120 12.83 1984 237,001,000 1,668 7.04 1956 168,221,000 2,202 13.09 1985 239,279,000 1,649 6.89 1957 171,274,000 2,369 13.83 1986 241,613,000 1,600 6.62 1958 174,141,000 2,172 12.47 1987 243,915,000 1,400 5.74 1959 177,073,000 2,258 12.75 1960 180,671,000 2,334 12.92 Sources: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Historical Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1970, Bicentennial Edition, Part 2, Washington, DC, 1975. U.S. Bureau of the Census, Statistical Abstract of the United States: 1982-83. (103th edition.) Washington, DC, 1982 [sic].. U.S. Bureau of the Census, Statistical Abstract of the United States: 1989 (109th edition.) Washington, DC, 1989. [3] Kleck, Gary. ""Guns and Self-Defense: Crime Control through the Use of Force in the Private Sector."" __Social Problems__ 35(1988):4, pp. 7-9. -- orstcs!opac!bug!stevef I am the NRA Steven R. Fordyce uunet!sequent!ether!stevef . . . The only fair tax is no tax! ";-1;0 "From: mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson) Subject: WANTED: The Nine-Mile Walk Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Distribution: misc.forsale Lines: 31 [ Article crossposted from rec.arts.books ] [ Author was Mark Wilson ] [ Posted on Wed, 21 Apr 1993 11:55:55 GMT ] I am looking for the following book, which I have only seen as a paperback (I lent my copy to someone, and forgetfulness has made that pronoun PERMANENTLY indeterminate!). I am looking for one OR two copies! Title: The Nine-Mile Walk and Other Stories (unsure about the hyphen and the exact subtitle) Author: Harry Kemelman (author of all the ""Rabbi"" mysteries) It's a collection of short mystery stories. Please email mark@ocsmd.ocs.com OR call the 800 number given below. Thanks! - Mark -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: garym@cycle.mentorg.com (Gary Myron) Subject: Re: Shipping a bike Nntp-Posting-Host: cycle.mentorg.com Organization: Mentor Graphics Keywords: Lines: 21 > Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco > to Seattle? And how much might it cost? I shipped my K75S from Portland Oregon to Daytona for this years bike week (I rode it back!). The company I used is The Federal Co's. You can reach them at 1-800-747-4100 ex 214. You either have to be a AMA member, or maybe it is just a discount for AMA, not sure. (Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN to become an AMA member) The shipping cost is based on the number of miles. It cost me about $500 for Portland to Orlando. $80 of that was insurance. All I had to do is ride it to the shipping dock and siphon the gas out. I think they can also pick up the bike from any business. The bike arrived on-time at Orlando. All I had to do was adjust the mirrors and add gas. The bike was in perfect shape! --Gary ";7;1 "From: delman@mipg.upenn.edu (Delman Lee) Subject: Tandberg 3600 + Future Domain TMC-1660 + Seagate ST-21M problem?? Distribution: comp Organization: University of Pennsylvania, USA. Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu I am trying to get my system to work with a Tandberg 3600 + Future Domain TMC-1660 + Seagate ST-21M MFM controller. The system boots up if the Tandberg is disconnected from the system, and of course no SCSI devices found (I have no other SCSI devices). The system boots up if the Seagate MFM controller is removed from the system. The Future Domain card reports finding the Tandberg 3660 on the SCSI bus. The system then of course stops booting because my MFM hard disks can't be found. The system hangs if all three (Tandberg, Future Domain TMC-1660 & Seagate MFM controller) are in the system. Looks like there is some conflict between the Seagate and Future Domain card. But the funny thing is that it only hangs if the Tandberg is connected. I have checked that there are no conflict in BIOS addresses, IRQ & I/O port. Have I missed anything? I am lost here. Any suggestions are most welcomed. Thanks in advance. Delman. -- ______________________________________________________________________ Delman Lee Tel.: +1-215-662-6780 Medical Image Processing Group, Fax.: +1-215-898-9145 University of Pennsylvania, 4/F Blockley Hall, 418 Service Drive, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6021, U.S.A.. Internet: delman@mipg.upenn.edu ______________________________________________________________________ ";-1;0 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: Omnipotence (was Re: Speculations) Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr5.171143.828@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >God is effectively limited in the same sense. He is all powerful, but >He cannot use His power in a way that would violate the essence of what >He, Himself is. Cannot? Try, will not. --- ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men."" Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993 The one TRUE Muslim left in the world. ";9;1 "From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Gaspra Animation (QuickTime) Keywords: Gaspra, JPL Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 ============================== GASPRA ANIMATION March 12, 1993 ============================== The Gaspra animation is now available at the Ames Space Archives in QuickTime format. The animation was formed from 11 images taken by the Galileo spaecraft shortly before its closest approach to the asteroid in October 1991. The animation is available using anonymous ftp to: ftp: ames.arc.nasa.gov (128.102.18.3) user: anonymous cd: pub/SPACE/ANIMATION files: gaspra.qt ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | It's kind of fun to do /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | the impossible. |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | Walt Disney ";-1;0 "From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: HELP: Need modem info for Duo 210 Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 10 Hi... what alternatives to the Express modem do Duo owners have (if they want to go at least 9600 baud)? Every place in town says they are back ordered, and part of the reason I want a laptop mac is so I can use it as a remote terminal from wherever I am, but I really would hate to have to wait 2 months to get a modem in or have to settle with 2400 baud. Thank you, ";-1;0 "From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES) Subject: Re: Photo radar (was Re: rec.autos: Frequently Asked Questions) Keywords: Monthly Posting Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 18 >Photo radar and mailed tickets make no sense at all. Speeding is a moving >violation, committed by the operator, not the owner. The owner may be a >rental agency, a dealer, a private party, or a government agency. As long >as the owner has no reason to expect the operator will be driving illegally >or unsafely, the owner cannot be held responsible for what the operator does. >The car may even have been driven without the owner's knowledge or consent. >I can't believe a mailed ticket, where the driver is not identified, would >stand up in court. This is obviously a lazy, cynical, boneheaded, fascist >way to extort revenue, and has nothing to do with public safety. >- BK What do photo radar units look like? Also, what major U.S. cities use it? >Jon Dunn< ";-1;0 "From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: dogs Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 26 In article car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes: >This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to >a ""psychological norm"" that may not actually apply to a particular dog. >I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson >dog or one that's really, *really* stupid. A large Irish Setter taught me >this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day. I'm sure he was playing >a game with me. The game was probably ""Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor"" Before >He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT. What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it? You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head off! Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human, we have *all* the advantages. Regards, Charles DoD0.001 RZ350 -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person ";7;1 "From: dgf1@quads.uchicago.edu (Dr. Eldon Tyrell) Subject: Re: So what is the fastest Windows video c Reply-To: dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr17.054600.24917@exu.ericsson.se> ebuhcb@ebu.ericsson.se writes: >In article 16APR199309101156@trentu.ca, ayounes@trentu.ca (Amro Younes, Trent University, C.C. #314, Peterborough, ON, Canada K9J 7B8. (705) 749-0391) writes: >>I have the ATI GRAPHICS ULTRA PRO EISA version. I must admit it has >>received bad press but that was due to the faulty drivers it had. > >PC Magazine seems to be impressed with the ATI card in their most recent >reviews. In the April 13th issue they rate the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro >(EISA version) as their ""Editor's Choice"". They noted that the drivers >had improved since they tested the ISA version in January... > ...Cuyler Yeah - they also gave it their ""Editor's Choice"" in the run-down of graphics accelerators they tested in the previous issue, which is why I bought (and then returned) mine. The only conclusion I can come up with is that PC Magazine has wildly different ways on determining the worthiness of a video card than I do. -- David Farley The University of Chicago Library 312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210 dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Chicago, Illinois 60637 ";-1;0 "From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr6.061329.25582@den.mmc.com>, seale@possum.den.mmc.com (Eric H Seale) writes... >baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >>According the IAU Circular #5744, Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e, may be >>temporarily in orbit around Jupiter. The comet had apparently made a >>close flyby of Jupiter sometime in 1992 resulting in the breakup of the >>comet. > >Ooooh -- who would have thought that Galileo would get the chance to >check out a comet TOO?!? Comet Gehrels 3, which was discovered in 1977, was determined to have been in a temporary Jovian orbit from 1970 to 1973. Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e may remain in orbit around Jupiter long enough to allow Galileo to make some closeup observations. The orbital trajectory for Comet Shoemaker-Levy is still being determined. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation | instead. ";-1;0 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 15 In article <1qn4bgINN4s7@mimi.UU.NET> goltz@mimi.UU.NET (James P. Goltz) writes: > Would this work? I can't see the EM radiation impelling very much >momentum (especially given the mass of the pusher plate), and it seems >to me you're going to get more momentum transfer throwing the bombs >out the back of the ship than you get from detonating them once >they're there. The Orion concept as actually proposed (as opposed to the way it has been somewhat misrepresented in some fiction) included wrapping a thick layer of reaction mass -- probably plastic of some sort -- around each bomb. The bomb vaporizes the reaction mass, and it's that which transfers momentum to the pusher plate. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";-1;0 "From: yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Paul Yee) Subject: Re: Booting from B drive Summary: Sorry, can't be done from AMI BIOS Nntp-Posting-Host: nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca Organization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster University Lines: 30 In article khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes: >glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) writes: > >>David Weisberger (djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu) wrote: >>: I have a 5 1/4"" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from >>: my 3 1/2"" B drive? [intermediate reply suggesting cable switch deleted] > >I have AMI bios, I have poked around the bios but haven't tried this but somewhere it says BOOT: A:;C: >I would assume that you could probably slip in a b: >althoug a.) I haven't tried it and >b.) don't mess with your CMOS unless you know what your doing!! I hate to burst your bubble but you cannot ""slip in a B:"" to that particular AMI BIOS setting. That setting only allows you to set the *boot order* of the floppy A: with respect to the primary HD C:, i.e., check A: first, then C: or check C:, then A:. > > >>Gordon Lang >-- >Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu >After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu Regards, Paul Yee yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca ";-1;0 "From: mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce) Subject: Re: 8051 Microcontroller Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr19.194525.3888@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day) writes: >mcole@spock (COLE) writes: > >>I would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family. Does anyone out >>there know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers, >>etc.? > >Try lyman.pppl.gov -- /pub/8051 Great. This site is a complete shadow of the Signetics BBS 8051 directory. Thanks Brian, -- Mont Pierce +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ham Call: KM6WT Internet: mont@netcom.com | | bands: 80/40/20/15/10/2 IBM vnet: mont@vnet.ibm.com | | modes: cw,ssb,fm | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";11;1 "From: smk5@quads.uchicago.edu (Steve Kramarsky) Subject: Re: Keeping Your Mouth Shut (was: Hard drive security) Keywords: cooperation Reply-To: smk5@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr14.055903.5358@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes: > > >I say ""in theory"" because in another case, a woman was held in >contempt for refusing to reveal the location of her child even after >taking the 5th. In this case, the woman was suspected of having >murdered the kid, so taking the 5th wasn't surprising. Sure, so she >was probably guilty, but that's not good enough. In our system you're >not supposed to be able to force a suspect to confess to a crime, no >matter how strongly you think they're guilty. You have to develop >your evidence independently. Doing otherwise might catch a few more >crooks, but only at the cost of turning the clock back to the middle >ages, when confessions were routinely tortured out of suspects both >guilty and innocent. > OK, I should have read the thread before posting my own $0.02. I would just add to Phil's very infomative discussion the following caveat: the fifth amendment applies ONLY in crinial cases. (""...nor shall any person . . . be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself...""). Thus if the father sued for custody of the children, the case would be civil and the defendant mother would not have fifth amendment protection. Oddly enough, her refusal to give information in a civil case can lead to criminal contempt charges (thus landing her in jail.) The interesting part of all this is that in a murder trial, the woman CAN plead the fifth as to the location of the child--this is routine. A ""computer crime"" prosecution thus would seem to be fertile ground for this kind of defense, where a suit by a party injured by ""hackers"" would not. If I am accused, for example, of sending encrypted kiddie porn over the nets the fifth should protect my key. If I am accused of sending copyrighted material, however, it proabably will not (copyright infringement not being a ""crime"" in the technical sense.) The REALLY tricky question is, say I do both (naughty boy that I am) can the government use the information gained in the civil trial (ie. my key) to gain access to my files for use in the criminal prosecution. The answer should certainly be no, but lord only knows how this would work out. Steve. -- Steve Kramarsky, University of Chicago Law School steve@faerie.chi.il.us -or- smk5@quads.uchicago.edu ""All I did was kiss a girl."" - Jake, the night before his hanging. ";-1;0 "From: nmohan@opal.tufts.edu Subject: SALE-CANON EOS ELAN OUTFIT Lines: 28 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA FOR SALE CANON EOS ELAN OUTFIT INCLUDED -EOS elan body -28-80 mm EF 1:3.5-5.6 USM lens -100-300 mm EF 1:4.%-5.6 USM lens -2 B&W UV filters -Hoya circular polarising filter -Canon RC-1 remote controller -Pentax lens cloth -Lowe Pro camera bag -Galen Rowell Photoflex lens bag -Sapre lithium battery -Hove Foto bokk user guide to Canon EOS elan All as new condition The whole lot $800 (firm) Contact David 617-227-7326 617-956-6905 Please do not e-mail your queries. All talks only by phone. ";-1;0 "From: hkon@mit.edu (Henry Kon) Subject: sunroof leaks - I'm all wet Organization: MIT Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: msiegel.mit.edu My sunroof leaks. I've always thought those things were a royal pain. Can anyone provide any insight ? I know the seal isn't great. Maybe I could weld the stupid thing shut. hk ";-1;0 "From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) Subject: Scientific Yawn X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 94 Gordon Rubenfeld responds to Ron Roth: GR> ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) wrote: GR> GR> RR> Well, Gordon, I look at the RESULTS, not at anyone's *scientific* GR> RR> stamp of approval. GR> GR> If you and your patients (followers?) are convinced (as you've written) GR> by your methods of uncontrolled, undocumented, unreported, unsubstantiated, GR> subjective endpoint research - great. But, why should the rest of us care? Gordon, even if you are trying to beat this issue to death, you'll never get more than a stalemate out of this one! I have never tried to force my type of medicine on any of you. Why should I? My patients are happy. I'm happy. You and your peers seem to be the only miserable ones around bemoaning the steady loss of patients to the alternative camp. Just look at Europe. There has been a steady exodus from 'synthetic' medicine for over a decade now, and it'll be just a matter of time before more people on this continent will abandon their drug and white coat worship as well and visit different doctors for different needs. GR> You see Ron, the point isn't whether YOU and your patients are GR> convinced that whatever it is you do works; it's whether what you do is GR> MORE effective in similar cases (of whatever it is you think you are GR> treating) than cupping, bloodletting, and placebo. This is very interesting. I have come exactly to the same conclusions but in regards to *conventional* medicine. You see, I don't just treat little old ladies that wouldn't know any different of what is being done, but a bulk of my patients consist of teachers, lawyers, judges, nurses, accountants, university graduates, and various health practitioners. If these people have gotten results with my method after having been unsuccessful with yours or their own, I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over whether you or your peers approve of my treatments --- let's face it, with all the blunders committed by ""scientific"" MDs over the years, I know a lot of people who hold your *scientific* method in much lower esteem than they hold mine! GR> As far as we know ayurveda = crystals = homeopathy = Ron Roth GR> which may all equal placebo administered with appropriate GR> trappings... Sorry, but I'm not familiar OR interested with what appears to be 'NEW AGE' medicine (ayurveda, crystals), with the exception of homeo- pathy, of which I took a course. But Gordon, you already knew that - you just wanted to make my system look a bit more far out, right? I use homeopathy very little, since my cellular test (EMR) is hard to beat for accuracy and minerals are more predictable, while homeopathy does have a problem with reliability, especially in acute conditions. An exception perhaps are homeopathic nosodes which act fairly quickly and are more dependable in certain viral or bacterial situations. GR> My colleagues and I spend hours debating study design GR> and results, even of therapies currently accepted as ""standard"". GR> As good (well, adequate) scientists, we are prepared, *if GR> presented with appropriate data*, to abandon our most deeply held GR> beliefs in favor of new ideas. I have met the challenges of hundreds of sceptics by verifying the accuracy of measuring their mineral status to their total satisfac- tion --- in other words EVERYONE INVOLVED is happy! If you were to cook a meal, would you worry over whether EVERYONE in this world would find it to their liking, or only those that end up eating it? Since I have financed every research project that I have undertaken entirely myself, I don't need to follow any of your rules or guide- lines to satisfy any aspects of a grant application, which YOU may have to; neither am I concerned of whether or not my study designs meet your or anyone else's criteria or acceptance. GR> Sorry Ron, if conviction were the ruler of truth, a flat Earth would GR> still be the center of the Universe and epilepsy a curse of the gods. I think there would be more justification for an uneducated person growing up in an uncivilized environment to believe in a flat earth, than for a civilized, well educated and scientifically trained mind to follow the doctrine of evolution. Genetic engineering of course is now the final frontier to show God how it is (properly) done. Now we've become capable of creating our own paradise and give disease (and God) the boot, right? But just before we get rid of Him for good, perhaps He could leave us some pointers on how to solve a couple of tiny problems, such as war, poverty, racism, crime, riots, substance abuse... And one last thing, could He also give us a hint on how to control natural disasters, the weather, and last, but not least --- peace? --Ron-- --- RoseReader 2.00 P003228: The Lab called: Your brain is ready. RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 ";4;1 "From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 54 sbp002@acad.drake.edu said: >> In article 2482@adobe.com, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: >>>Every single piece of evidence we can find points to Major League Baseball >>>being 50% offense, 50% defense. A run scored is just as important as a run >>>prevented. >Of course a run scored is just as important as a run prevented. >Just as a penny saved is a penny earned. Enough with the cliches. It's not a cliche, and (unlike your comments below) it's not a tautology. It needn't have been true. If every pitcher in baseball were essentially the same in quality (i.e. if the variance of pitching ability were much smaller than the variance of batting ability), then scoring runs would be much more important than preventing them, simply because the *ability* to actively prevent runs would be much weaker. >My point is that IF the Braves starters are able to live up to >their potential, they won't need much offensive support. If that's your point, you should have said so. What you in fact said was ""Pitching and defense win championships"", and later ""Pitching is the essence of baseball"". Neither of which says what you are now claiming was ""your point"", and neither of which is true. >It seems to me that when quality pitchers take the >mound, the other teams score less runs. The team that scores the most >runs wins. And you accuse Sherri of mouthing cliches!? >This puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage >(providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs). A low >scoring game would clearly benefit the Braves. It's not clear to me at all that this is true. In high-scoring games, the team with the better offense wins a high percentage of the time. In low- scoring games, the split is essentially 50/50 regardless of team ability. >They should have many >low scoring games due to their excellent pitching and below average hitting. >On the flip side, if you had a starting lineup of great offensive players, >I would be arguing that this team would not need great pitchers. I thought you said ""pitching and defense win championships"" and ""pitching is the essence of baseball"". -- David M. Tate (dtate+@pitt.edu) | Greetings, sir, with bat not quick member IIE, ORSA, TIMS, SABR | Hands not soft, eye not discerning | And in Denver they call you a slugger? ""The Big Catullus"" Galarraga | And compare you to my own Mattingly!? ";-1;0 "From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith) Subject: Letter to a Liberal Colleague -- L. Neil Smith Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 147 Posted by Cathy Smith for L. Neil Smith LETTER TO A LIBERAL COLLEAGUE [AUTHOR'S NOTE: ""Adrian"" -- name changed to protect the guilty -- and the author are science fiction novelists who once worked with the same editor at a famous New York publishing house.] Dear Adrian: I'm way behind schedule on my current book again, so this reply to your note -- criticizing the recent magazine interview I gave and generally attacking gun ownership -- will necessarily consist mostly of assertions you're free to believe (or not) I can back with evidence and logic I've neither time nor energy to present now. I've written fully on this topic before and will again in the future. When I do, I'll make sure you get copies. There are many arguments I might make, from the futility and danger of delegating self-defense to the police (see Don Kates in the Jan. 10, 1985 WALL STREET JOURNAL) to the real effect of prohibition, shifting consumers from newly-outlawed handguns or semiautomatic rifles to items like sawed-off shotguns or homemade bombs, but I'll limit myself here to commenting on the newspaper clipping you sent with your note. First, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. Second, publication of some latter-day ""scientific study"" doesn't alter the fact that the gun prohibitionists I discussed in my interview -- annoying you so much in the process -- were lying. Third, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. Fourth, as often happens with these things, the ""study"" doesn't support the gun prohibitionists' original numerical contentions anyway, but simply adds a new layer of spurious claims to an older body of lies, omissions, and distortions. Fifth, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. Sixth, the fact that gun prohibitionists have been caught lying on countless occasions (Carl Bakal, author of NO RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, even confessed to it publicly) makes the value of this present ""study"" dubious, to say the least. Seventh, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. Eighth, given your own lifelong service as a federal bureaucrat (not to mention the cynical sophistication of your fiction), you should be better aware than most people how ""progress"" -- in designing ""studies"" to prove whatever you want -- outstrips our ability to collect meaningful data. A case in point we might agree on is the fact that it took another kind of prohibitionist 20 or 30 years to create ""studies"" ""proving"" that pornography causes crime. More naive (and probably more honest) efforts in the 50s and 60s clearly indicate the contrary. Ninth, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. Tenth, another reason to doubt all such ""studies"" is that human behavior (as the Austrian School of economics demonstrates) is far too complex and unpredictable to be meaningfully quantified. The attempt to do so -- and then create public policy based on the resulting pseudo-information -- is wrecking our civilization. Eleventh, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. Twelfth, the ""study"" is also worthless because it incorporates figures for suicide, which is not necessarily a tragedy but basically another individual right, sometimes with ancillary social benefits. If anything, perhaps suicide INTERVENTION should be a criminal offense. Thirteenth and finally, the National Rifle Association officials quoted in the article, whatever their shortcomings (and they are many), are correct in this instance: the ""study"" is meaningless because the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility. And because of that, Adrian, even if the ""study"" were valid, it wouldn't deter me from a lifelong personal objective of seeing that anyone can own any weapon he or she prefers and carry it however, whenever, and wherever he or she desires without asking anybody's permission. In this I'm ably assisted by gun prohibitionists themselves, whose yawping invariably moves previously unarmed people to go out and buy their first gun ""while they still can"". Before the '68 Gun Control Act, most of the ""shooting fraternity"" viewed handguns (incorrectly, as it turned out) as inaccurate, ineffective toys. There probably weren't six million of them in the whole country. Now, thanks to Kennedy, Metzenbaum, the Bradys, and their ilk -- AMERICA'S GREATEST SPORTING GOODS SALES TEAM -- we probably manufacture at least that many every year. The fascinating datum is that Handgun Control, et al. are perfectly aware of this -- so I guess you'll have to ask them yourself what their real motives are. Look: gun-making isn't an arcane or difficult art (and by the way, it's easier to make a fully automatic weapon than a semiautomatic; the fact that I can still obtain my own weapon of preference, the self-loading pistol, is the only thing which keeps me from pursuing this further). Even if it were difficult, there are already a quarter billion firearms in America, with an estimated ""half life"" of 1000 years -- possibly more for stainless steel. Guns are gonna be around a long time, Adrian, whether you like it or not. As for me, to paraphrase Elmer Keith, regardless of what the law provides or any court decides, I'm always going to be armed. And I will always work to see that others are, as well. The bad news is that there are thousands more -- perhaps even hundreds of thousands -- where I come from. We can't be stopped by passing laws, we can only be forced to arm ourselves and others secretly and -- given both the practical and alleged differences between full automatics and semiautomatics -- perhaps more efficiently. So what's the point? L. Neil Smith Author: THE PROBABILITY BROACH, THE CRYSTAL EMPIRE, HENRY MARTYN, and (forthcoming) PALLAS LEVER ACTION BBS (303) 493-6674, FIDOnet: 1:306/31.4 Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus NRA Life Member My opinions are, of course, my own. ";-1;0 "From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University Lines: 101 In article , shaig@composer.think.com (Shai Guday) writes: |> [snip] |> imagine ???? It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like |> to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer |> in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... |> |> I would not argue that all or even most of the villages are ""terrorist |> camps"". There are however some which come very close to serving that |> purpose and that is not to say that other did not function in that way |> prior to the invasion. The village I described was actually the closest I could come to describing mine. I agree there may be other villages where the civilian population has deserted because it is too close to Israeli lines and thus gets bombed more often. In such villages often the only remaining inhabitants are guerillas and some elderly who have nowhere else to go. But for the most part the typical South Lebanon village is more like mine. One where civilians and guerillas live together. They are often inhabiting the same house. Many families are large, some have members of the families involved in Hizollah, most others are not. That is what is so hard of South Lebanon, Israel is not fighting an army with well drawn battle lines, but a guerilla tyoe resistance which by definition and necessity blends with the local populace. Not because they are evil cowards that use women and children as shields, but because that is the only way one can fight a more powerful better equipped occupying army. |> Some of the villages, and yours might well be among them, are as you |> describe. Not all are. There are a large number of groups in the area, |> backed by various organizations, with a wide range of purposes. Hizbollah |> and Amal were two of the larger ones and may still be. Hizbollah and Amal are now the main two militias. Though Hizbollah people tend to be more committed to resistrance operation and better motivated by religious conviction. As to retaliation, |> while mistakes may be made, that is still a far cry from indiscriminate |> bombing, which would have produced major casualties. It may be a mixture of what we both say. Sometimes Israel chooses its targets carefully. At other times it just sends its pilots on sorties aimed at a town in general since it only knows that the attackers came from that specific village but has no further intelligence. On several occasions Israel retalliated against civilian refugee camps, even in North Lebanon, just to show that it will not sit idly after its soldiers have been attacked. Most of the time it directs the SLA to do the dirty work and indiscriminately shell some Lebanese villages on the other side. I have experienced this shelling myself on several occasions, this is why the SLA militia is sometimes even more despised than Israeli troops. | |> Well, here we disagree. I think that Israel would willingly withdraw if |> the Lebanese gov't was able to field a reliable force in the area to police |> it and prevent further attacks. I hope you are right on Israeli willingness to withdraw, but I still contend that withdrawal would be the better course for Israel's security, since it would reduce its military losses, and I claim that the Lebanese and Syrian gov'ts would be able to prevent any further attacks on Northern Israel. |> There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese |> goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such |> circumstances, and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is |> capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did |> in all other parts of Lebanon. |> |> No, the Syrian gov't is more than happy to have Israel sink into another |> Lebanese morass. I could elaborate if necessary. Hmm... Here we disagree on what serves Syria interests better. I think Syria wants to have Lebanon all to itself. It would be willing to guarantee Northern Israel's security in return for Israeli withdrawal. I don't think Syria wants Israel to be involved in its protectorate of Lebanon. Syria is sitting at the negotiating table because it has come to accept that and wants to get a political resolution. A renewal of hostilities along the Lebanese front could put the whole ME peace negotiations back in question. |> I agree, only in the case of the Isareli soldiers their killing |> CANNOT be qualified as murder, no matter what you say. |> |> No, but it is regretable, as is the whole situation. I agree that the loss of any human life is deplorable and regrettable. |> -- |> Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, |> OS Software Engineer | |> Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. |> Cambridge, MA | Basil ";15;1 "From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: none Lines: 138 In article shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) writes: You ask where we are. I would echo that question. I'm not trying to be contentious. But assuming that the Pope has universal jurisdiction and authority, what authority do you rely upon for your decisions? What prevents me from choosing ANY doctrine I like and saying that Papal disagreement is an error that will be resolved in time? This is especially true, since Councils of Bishops have basically stood by the Pope. The ultimate question is the traditional theology of the Church. This is the *only* thing that it is possible to resist a Pope for: his departure from the traditional doctrine of the Church. If commands from *any* authority conflict with Tradition, the commands must be disobeyed. My own view on this is that this conflict could only happen in a major way. God would never allow a hair-splitting situation to develop; it would be too complex for people to figure out. I don't view the present situation in the Church as anything extremely complicated. Run through a list of what has happened in the last 30 years in the Catholic Church, and any impartial observer will be aghast. It appears that much of what lies at the heart of this matter is disagreements over what is tradition and Tradition, and also over authority and discipline. The problems stem from a general widespread ignorance of the Catholic Faith, in my opinion. Most Catholics know about zilch about the Catholic Faith; this leaves them wide open for destruction by erring bishops. It's basically the Reformation part II. There is not even a question in my mind that in some respects the shards of the Catholic Church are currently being trampled upon by the Catholic hierarchy. I could go on listing shocking things for an hour, probably. Take the situation in Campos, Brazil, for example. I'm reading a book on what happened there after Vatican Council II. The bishop, Antonio de Castro-Mayer, never introduced all the changes that followed in the wake of Vatican II. He kept the traditional Mass, the same old catechisms, etc. He made sure the people knew their faith, the Catholic theology of obedience, what Modernism was, etc. He innoculated the people against what was coming. Well, one day the order came from Rome for his retirement. It came when the Pope was sick. Bishop de Castro-Mayer waited until the Pope recovered, then inquired whether this command was what the Pope really wanted, or something that some Liberal had commanded in his absence. The Pope confirmed the decision. So the good bishop retired. The injustice that followed was completely incredible. A new bishop was installed. He proceeded to expel most of bishop de Castro-Mayer's clergy from their churches, because they refused to celebrate the New Mass. The new bishop would visit a parish, and celebrate a New Mass. The people would promptly walk out of the church en masse. The bishop was *enraged* by this. He usually resorted to enlisting the help of the secular authorities to eject the priest from the church. The priests would just start building new churches; the people were completely behind them. The old parishes had the New Mass, as the bishop desired -- and virtually no parishioners. The prime motivation for all this was completely illegal, according to canon law. No priest can be penalized in any way for saying the traditional Mass, because of legislation enacted by Pope Saint Pius V. Nor is there any obligation to say the New Mass. During all this process, the people of Campos, not just private individuals, but including civil authorities, were constantly sending petitions and letters to Rome to do something about the new Modernist bishop. NOTHING was ever done; no help ever arrived from Rome. Eventually 37 priests were kicked out, and about 40,000 people. My question to the supporters of SSPX is this: Is there ANY way that your positions with respect to church reforms could change and be conformed to those of the Pope? (assuming that the Pope's position does not change and that the leaders of SSPX don't jointly make such choice.) If not, this appears to be claiming infallible teaching authority. If I adopt the view that ""I'm NOT wrong, I CAN'T be wrong, and there's NO WAY I'll change my mind, YOU must change yours"", that I've either left the Catholic Church or it has left me. If the Pope defines certain things ex cathedra, that would be the end of the controversy. That process is all very well understood in Catholic theology, and anyone who doesn't go along with it is an instant non-Catholic. The problem here is that people do not appreciate what is going on in the Catholic world. If they knew the Faith, and what our bishops are doing, they would be shocked! We sould argue from now until the Second Coming about what the ""real"" traditional teaching of the Church is. If this were a simple matter East and West would not have been separated for over 900 years. This isn't the case in the Catholic Church. There is a massive body of traditional teaching. The Popes of the last 150 years are especially relevant. There is no question at all what the traditional doctrine is. I thought that the teaching magisterieum of the church did not allow error in teachings regarding faith and morals even in the short term.` I may be wrong here, I'm not Roman Catholic. :-) That's heresy, more or less. Although they have done a great job since the Reformation, the last 30 years have seen so many errors spread that it's pitiful. Infallibility rests in the Pope, and in the Church as a whole. In the short term, a Pope, or large sections of the Church can go astray. In fact, that's what usually happens during a major heresy: large sections of the Church go astray. (The Pope historically has been much more reliable.) Everything will always come back in the long run. What would be the effect of a Pope making an ex cathedra statement regarding the SSPX situation? Would it be honored? If not, how do you get around the formal doctrine of infallibility? Again, I'm not trying to be contentions, I'm trying to understand. Since I'm Orthodox, I've got no real vested interest in the outcome, one way or the other. Yes, it would be honored. Infallibility is infallibility. But what is he going to define? That the New Mass is a better expression of the Catholic Faith than the old? That sex education in the Catholic schools is wonderful? That all religions are wonderful except for that professed by the Popes prior to Vatican II? It does if the command was legitimate. SSPX does not view the Pope's commands as legitimate. Why? This is a VERY slippery slope. Not really; start studying the major Catholic theologians of the last 300 years. Everything is very well spelled out. The West excels at critical thought, remember? That's what Catholic theologians have been busy at for centuries. ";-1;0 "From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Built Like Villanueva Huckabay) Subject: Alomar vs. Baerga - I was hoping to stay out of this. Organization: Julio Lundy Candlelight Vigil Society Distribution: na Lines: 37 (Lyford ""Frosty"" Beverage) writes: |> Uh, yes. Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter |> last year. |> |> BATTERS BA SLG OBP G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E |> BAERGA,C .312 .455 .354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19 |> ALOMAR,R .310 .427 .405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5 |> >This is fascinating. You say that Alomar was the better hitter last >year, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga >had a better year. The only category that I see which shows an advantage >for Alomar is OBP. Well, OBP is the most important offensive statistic, and by a big margin. 50 points of OBP is worth considerably more than 50 points of slugging. That being said, I still think Baerga was VERY SLIGHTLY better last year, but I think this is as close to a wash as you're likely to find. I personally don't care much for Alomar's defense. I don't think he's nearly as good as people make him out to be, and he can't turn the DP to save his life. He comes across the bag improperly, and his release is slow. Considering the high leverage of the DP, this is a shortcoming I can't overlook. In the long term, I'd move Alomar to another position. If the Jays could trade a hot Devon White for something, I'll be Alomar could be a hell of a CF. In the long run, I think I'd rather have Jeff Kent at 2B and Alomar in CF than Alomar/White. -- * Gary Huckabay * ""You think that's loud enough, a$$hole?"" * * ""Movie Rights * ""Well, if you're having trouble hearing it, sir, * * available thru * I'd be happy to turn it up for you. I didn't * * Ted Frank."" * know that many people your age liked King's X."" * ";-1;0 "Subject: So what is Maddi? From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things Lines: 12 As I was created in the image of Gaea, therefore I must be the pinnacle of creation, She which Creates, She which Births, She which Continues. Or, to cut all the religious crap, I'm a woman, thanks. And it's sexism that started me on the road to atheism. -- Maddi Hausmann madhaus@netcom.com Centigram Communications Corp San Jose California 408/428-3553 Kids, please don't try this at home. Remember, I post professionally. ";-1;0 "From: davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com (David J. Ray) Subject: Re: Fractals? what good are they? Organization: Rockwell International X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 16 In regards to fractal commpression, I have seen 2 fractal compressed ""movies"". They were both fairly impressive. The first one was a 64 gray scale ""movie"" of Casablanca, it was 1.3MB and had 11 minutes of 13 fps video. It was a little grainy but not bad at all. The second one I saw was only 3 minutes but it had 8 bit color with 10fps and measured in at 1.2MB. I consider the fractal movies a practical thing to explore. But unlike many other formats out there, you do end up losing resolution. I don't know what kind of software/hardware was used for creating the ""movies"" I saw but the guy that showed them to me said it took 5-15 minutes per frame to generate. But as I said above playback was 10 or more frames per second. And how else could you put 11 minutes on one floppy disk? davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com My opinions are my own except where they are shared by others in which case I will probably change my mind. ";-1;0 "Subject: Cornerstone DualPage driver wanted From: tkelder@ebc.ee (Tonis Kelder) Nntp-Posting-Host: kask.ebc.ee X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]Lines: 12 Lines: 12 I am looking for a WINDOW 3.1 driver for Cornerstone DualPage (Cornerstone Technology, Inc) video card. Does anybody know, that has these? Is there one? Thanks for any info, To~nis -- To~nis Kelder Estonian Biocentre (tkelder@kask.ebc.ee) ";-1;0 "From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Background BRiefing in Vancouver 4.4.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 993 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary (Vancouver, British Columbia) ______________________________________________________________ BACKGROUND BRIEFING BY SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS April 4, 1993 Canada Place Vancouver, British Columbia 9:40 A.M. PST Folks, we're about to start the BACKGROUND BRIEFING on the aid package. SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Good morning. The President -- President Clinton and President Yeltsin agreed yesterday on a series of American initiatives to support economic and political reform in Russia, and it's valued at $1.6 billion. Before taking your questions and running through the basic outlines of this package, I want to make a few points. First, this is the maximum that the Clinton administration can do with available funds to support Russian reform. All of the funds have been allocated and appropriated by the Congress. There is no need for the administration to go back to the Congress to fund any of these programs. All our Fiscal Year '93 funds currently are available, so in effect, all of these programs can begin tomorrow. The second point is that this package is designed to support Russian reformers. All of the initiatives in the package are directed at reformers and for their benefit, and all have been worked out with prior consultation with the Russian government. Third, the President is determined that we will deliver on these commitments this year. The package is designed to maximize our ability to support reform. In designing it we wanted to avoid making commitments that we could not meet, and we feel very confident that we can meet all of these commitments in front of you. Fourth, I'd like to note the special importance of trade and investment. I think it's fair to say that Russia's capital and technology needs throughout the next decade extend well into the hundreds of billions of dollars. No collection of governments can meet those needs; only the private sector can do so. And so the President and President Yeltsin agreed to make trade and investment a major priority in the relationship. They also agreed that there would be a new joint commission on energy and space formed, headed on the U.S. side by Vice President Gore; on the Russian side by Prime Minister Chernomyrdin. And the goal of this effort is to break through the barriers to trade and investment on both sides and to promote a vastly expanded relationship. If it would be helpful I'd be prepared to run down the first page, which is a summary of U.S. assistance, and just give you some general background on what these programs are. I'll do it quickly and then I'll be glad to take questions. The first group of initiatives are humanitarian food and medical assistance. This is part of our effort which has been underway for several years to provide basic humanitarian grant food assistance so that the Russian government can assure there's at least a minimal amount of bread on the shelves in the major cities. That's $194 million in grant -- that is from Food for Progress, the grant portion of Food for Progress. We'll also be continuing our grant assistance in medicines and pharmaceutical supplies, and that's $30 million. The second item is concessional food sales. As you know, the United States has had a long-term grain relationship with Russia. It's important to us and it's important to Russia that we continue that relationship. The President has chosen the Food for Progress program which is a concessional loan program. The value over the next seven months is $700 million. These are concessional terms. The exact terms have not been worked out, but I think it's fair to say there will be a grace period on principal of six or seven years, and concessional rates thereafter for the life of the deal. The third program is a collection of private sector support. We think this is one of the most important things we're going to do. Privatization and the creation of small businesses is the number one priority of the reform government in Moscow. And so the President has decided to create a Russian-American enterprise fund capitalized this year at $50 million. And the goal of this fund is to make direct loans to small businesses in Russia, to take equity positions in those businesses. The President has also decided to create a privatization fund which would work directly with the Russian government in its priority objective of trying to convert state enterprises from a state-owned basis to a private basis. He has also agreed -- the President has also agreed to establish a Eurasia foundation. This would be a private foundation led by prominent Americans to fund democratization projects in Russia. The fourth grouping you see there in the summary page is democratization itself. I think it's fair to say that this administration has given a new impetus to the goal of pursuing democratization in Russia. You see that we have a total of $48 million in programs, various programs. The detailed tables give an indication of some of the programs that we're launching. The President is also calling for the development of a democracy corps, which will be an overarching umbrella group to try to incorporate all of the disparate private and public efforts now underway from the United States to support reform in Russia. The fifth program you see is Russian office of resettlement. This is a new initiative created and conceptualized by this administration. This is a demonstration project. What we'd like to do is work with the Russian military to help resettle Russian officers returning from the Baltic states and other parts of the former Soviet Union. We want to make sure that we work out the best way to do that, whether it's with Russian labor and Russian materials or using prefab American construction. And so we've decided to fund on a demonstration basis the construction of 450 housing units. We'll be working very closely with the Russian military on this. And I would say that we have a long-term commitment to this project. The sixth area is energy in the environment. They are two issues that the President feels strongly about. Our initial efforts will be feasibility studies to look into the possibility of enhancing their energy production, both oil and gas; and equally important trying to cut down on the leakages in the oil and gas pipeline systems, which cause so much environmental damage. I've talked a little bit about trade and investment, about the new group being created that the Vice President will chair on our side. Secretary Ron Brown will also be cochairing with Deputy Prime Minister Shohkin, a business development committee, which will work in all other sectors of the economy, to break down the many barriers that currently exist and impede trade and investment. We are also going to appoint a full-time investment ombudsman in the American government to work on this problem full-time. And the point I'd like to make here is, trade and investment in the 1990s is every bit as important, to draw an analogy, as arms reductions was in the '70s and '80s. And we just thought that in looking at this we needed to make a commitment within our own government to have people work on it -- senior people on a full-time basis, because it is terribly important. You'll notice that the United States is going to support Russia's membership in the GATT. Russia has had observer status. Russia has requested our support and, in fact, requested our advice in becoming a member of the GATT. We think that the long-term goal of drawing Russia into the global economy is paramount, a very important goal. And that is why we are supporting the membership in the GATT. We are also supporting their access to GSP, the Generalized System of Preferences. You'll note that Ex-Im has extended $82 million in credit for a caterpillar deal in Siberia, that OPIC has extended $150 million in credits and loan guarantees for a Conoco oil project. I'd like to emphasize that we are very close to an agreement between Russia and the United States for a $2-billion framework facility through the Ex-Im Bank that would finance Russian purchases of American oil and gas equipment and services. We think this is a very important development. We think we'll get there by April 14th, which is the opening day of the Tokyo conference, the G-7 conference. Before I take any further questions, I'd like to defer to my colleague, who will review the security assistance objectives with you. SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Our major unfinished agenda with the Russians and with their counterparts in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus is in the area of the safe and secure dismantlement of the nuclear arsenals on their territory under the terms of the START I and START II agreements. Recently we completed in Moscow three, I think, very important agreements that devote a significant chunk of Nunn-Lugar funding to three important programs. The first is the program of $130 million for the strategic nuclear delivery vehicle dismantlement program. That is for submarines, for ICBM dismantlement and for bomber dismantlement -- $130 million. The second is a $75 million tranche of funding for the construction of a facility to store nuclear materials removed from the warheads as they are dismantled. This will essentially contribute to the overall design and the early phases of the construction of that storage facility. And finally, a $10-million tranche of money to help in the establishment of a monitoring system for the nuclear materials as they are withdrawn from the weapons system. So we add that $215-million total to the extant Nunn-Lugar assistance which has been flowing -- about $150 million for some overall safety improvements for various kinds of equipment and safety measures that we have been working out with the Russians over the last couple of years. So this is an area where we will be going a lot more work with not only the Russians but with the Ukrainians, Kazhaks, and Belarussians. Belarus, for example, has just, in the last couple of weeks, received up to $65 million in FY'93 funds for safety, security and dismantlement programs on Belarussian territory. And this was in the wake of their ratification of START I, an agreement to accede to NPT. So we are working very hard with all the parties to the Lisbon protocols, and will continue to work very hard with them. And I look upon these three recent agreements with Russia as a very important step in that process. Q The OPIC funds to -- is that for the field in Kazhakstan -- and Conoco already signed this deal with Kazhakstan. Why do you feel now it is necessary -- if it's the same one, why do you feel it's necessary? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: It's not the same deal. Chevron signed a deal with Kazhakstan, the Tenges oil field. This is a new investment project. It's a polar lights oil development and renovation project, and it's being announced today. So it's completely new. Q Can you tell us more about what's involved? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Yes. Conoco, like other American oil companies has been searching for ways to do two things. One, to prospect for new oil in Siberia, west Siberia; and two, to try to get into the business of renovating oil wells and renovating pipelines, both oil and gas, in Russia. The objective here, obviously, is to take advantage of the natural resources in Russia, increase energy production, which will, in turn, increase hard currency revenues, which is what Russia needs. So we think this deal is very, very good development for Russia. The Russians do as well, and it's good for an American company. And the American government has played a leading role in pulling this together through the credit facility in OPIC and through the loan guarantee. Q So it's to search and also to renovate fields that are already there? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's right. Q On that point, should other American companies expect to get administration support for such deals, or should they now go to the Ex-Im and try to get the money out of the $2 billion? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, as you know, Ex-Im is part of the U.S. government and various parts of the U.S. government have been pushing, including the State Department and the White House for this deal to be consummated. And we think it will. And if we arrive at this agreement by April 14th, there will be $2 billion in financing available for American companies to sell their equipment and sell their services. Q That should take up all of the rest of the deals and their won't be -- and their will or there won't be support for OPIC sort of deals such as this Conoco? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There's a tremendous amount of interest on the part of American oil and gas companies to invest in Russia. We think that the Ex-Im oil and gas facility, the $2-billion facility, once it is concluded, will soak up a lot of that interest. But I think the interest may even extend beyond that. And if so, the government will respond. Q What's the current year budget costs of that $2-billion agreement should it go forward? And is there any current year budget costs -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I'll have to refer you to Ex-Im for that. I don't know the details of that. Q The concessional food sales -- is there any current year costs to that, or is it delayed until the years in which the payments are due? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: The concessional food sales are from Food for Progress, which is a USDA program. USDA has the funds, we don't need to go back to the Congress to expend those funds. There will be a hit in the budget. I'd refer you to USDA and OMB for the details on that. Q Can you talk about the Democracy Corps? Q and the private sector -- how many folks are going to be involved in that? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Why don't I start with the Democracy Corps first. I think the administration felt coming into office that there were literally thousands of organization, private organizations in the United States that in one way or another were working at the goal of trying to achieve democratization in Russia, helping on a farmer-to-farmer basis. And there were literally 10 or 15 U.S. government agencies that had a variety of programs in this area. And so the administration felt -- the President felt it was important to try to draw all of these initiatives together under one group to give some coherence to the efforts and to give some impetus to the efforts. And so this is a presidential initiative. It will be headed by Ambassador Tom Simons who will soon take up his duties as the coordinator for U.S. assistance in the former Soviet Union. And we're very hopeful that we might use this Democracy Corps not only to draw upon the resources of our own government, but the resources of the American private sector and schools and communities across the nation. Q any kind of commitment yet, any kind of word yet on FY'94, and any new money that needs to be appropriated besides the $300 million the President talked about? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: The administration is requesting additional funds in FY'94 of $700 million. What the President has done this weekend is to consult really intensively yesterday with President Yeltsin about additional measures the United States could take in some of these areas to support reform. He'll be consulting with the Congress. When he returns to Washington, he'll be consulting also with the other ally governments, and we'll make a decision at that time. Q Two questions about the $700 billion agricultural money. First of all, I thought it was the sort of consensus that what Russia did not need was more loans for food. So why did you decide to do it that way? Secondly, could you explain -- agriculture has been stopped from making further loans for food because of Russia's inability to pay. How does this fit into that situation? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: As you know, the United States for a long time has been a major supplier of grains and food commodities, agricultural products to Russia. I think between 1991 and '92 we had extended -- a little bit of history here -- about $5.5 billion in credits, credit guarantees, through the Commodity Credit Corporation. That was the principal vehicle to ensure the sale of American grain products. On December 1 of last year, '92, the Russian government stopped its payments on that program. They are now in arrears to us on that program, and therefore, by law, the United States cannot continue that program. And so the President, working with Secretary Espy and other officials in the Cabinet, looked for other ways that we could promote American grain sales. And I think we have two ways to do that. We've announced today $194 million in grant food assistance through the Food for Progress program. But we do not have sufficient authority to spend $700 million in grant food, and so we looked for a concessional loan program. I think everybody agrees that Russia -- that a short-term loan program for Russia would not make sense now, but a long-term concessional loan program would. And that is what this program is. It will provide, once the final details are worked out, for a six to seven-year grace period on payments of principal. And then from years seven through 15, which is the life of the deal, it will provide for concessional rates of interest -- generally around three to four percent. And so we believe and the Russian government believes this is a good deal for them because it will avoid the imperative of early payments and put them into the out years, but it will also continue this very important grain relationship, which is important for them, and it's important for the American farm community. Q I gather from what you say that this could make it explicit -- the Russians' failure to pay the interest on ECC loan does not in any way affect this kind of loan going through, is that right? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Let me be explicit about that. We are prevented under the law to from continuing the Commodity Credit Corporation short-term credit program because of Russia's arrearages to the United States. All of you know about those arrearages. They total about, I think, around $640 million. USDA can give you an exact figure. So having taken that into consideration and wanting to preserve American market share and a long-term grain relationship, wanting to respond to a specific request from the Russian government for major food assistance, knowing that we couldn't take it from the grant programs because we don't have sufficient authority there, we looked at Food for Progress, which is a program we've used to great effect in other parts of the world. And we consulted with the Russian government and arrived at this solution. I think the Russians are pleased because it provides them with the food, but also gives them a little bit of relief on the short-term payments. Q Where do those funds actually come from? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: They come from the Food for Progress program, which is a program under USDA's authority. USDA has the authority to spend these funds. We do not need to go back to the Congress for these funds. And I want to make that general point again: Everything in this package, the $1.6 billion package, comprises funds that have already been allocated and appropriated by the Congress. The administration can begin to spend these monies tomorrow. And it's very important in our eyes that we expend all the funds this year, that we meet these commitments. And we are confident we'll be able to do so. Q How did you arrive at the figure of $700 million -- does that max out that program, or did you actually have a range from 0 to -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There's a reason for it. The reason was that the Russian government told us that's about the amount of grain that they needed between now and harvest time. And so the idea is that we would begin the shipments probably $100 million per month from now until the harvest in the autumn, at which time Russia won't require the same level of food imports from the West. Q I would imagine there's going to be some considerable envy and jealousy on the part of some of the other republics because of the size and the scope of this with Russia. Have you given any consideration to advancing negotiations for the same kinds of projects with the Ukraine, with Georgia , with some of the other republics? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Yes, we're very conscience of the fact that we also have an interest in extending American support to the 11 other countries of the former Soviet Union. We have told ourselves, and we have planned that in the area of technical assistance, the grant technical assistance that you see, roughly 50 percent of the funding will go to Russia and roughly 50 percent to the other countries. In the area of food sales, we have been active with Ukraine, in grant food assistance with Georgia and Armenia. We will continue that. And I think it's fair to say that after this summit we will go back and look at all of our programs with the other countries to ensure that they are adequate and they are productive and they're hard-hitting. Q Has anything happened at the summit to lead American energy companies and other companies to believe that Russia is going to be more user-friendly toward them in terms of taxing, legalities, bureaucracy? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, one of our primary objectives coming into this summit was to highlight, not only the economic agenda, but also trade and investment. And I'd like to refer to the point I made at the beginning. We're convinced in talking about this problem -- the problem of how to support Russia long-term -- we're convinced that no collection of Western governments have the financial resources over the next decade to fuel the continuation of reform, that only the private sector can do that. We look at our own society and we see tremendous capability in resources in the oil and gas sector. It is a very good match with what the Russians need now, which is financial investment in the existing oil and gas wells and pipeline and new technology and new capital to finance new production. That's what the Russian government has told us it wants to do, and so that's why we have made such a major emphasis on it. That's why trade and investment was a prominent issue on the first day of these talks, and in fact, figured prominently last night in the meeting between President Yeltsin and President Clinton. And we're hoping that together we might send a strong signal to the American business community that we support their efforts to invest in Russia, that the United States, through Ex- Im and OPEC and the Department of Commerce, will be there to support them. Q My question is, is Yeltsin in any position to deliver on making Russia a more -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We think he is. I would note that President Yeltsin's Prime Minister, Mr. Chernomyrdin, worked for 30 years in the Russian oil and gas sector. He will now chair a high-level commission with the Vice President, Vice President Gore, to try to break through the barriers that currently exist to Western investment in the oil and gas sector. We believe we have a commitment to make that committee an important committee. And we're looking forward to the work. Q What type of mechanism is already in place to administer the private sector portion of the program? And will the U.S. be directly involved in the tail end of distribution of the actual funds or is the money simply turned over to the Russian government for distribution at their will? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Are you talking about the variety of programs listed here? It depends on the program itself. In most cases, though, we are either working through American PBOs or American government agencies to ensure that the money obviously is well spent, that the money gets to the intended source. That's an obligation we have to the Congress to ensure the money is well spent and that we can account for the money. We have done that in the last couple of months intensively and we will continue to do it for each of these programs. But they are all quite different. For instance, in the area of grant food and medical assistance, for grant food it is carried out through USDA and USDA accounts for the delivery of the food. For grant medical assistance, we've been working through Project Hope which is a private organization. For the housing -- for instance, the resettlement of Russian officers, we'll be working with a group of American PBOs. On some of the democratization projects, we're working directly with Russian private individuals and private foundations. We're working with journalists in Russia on a media project that you may have noticed. So we literally have here 30 to 40 different activities under all these rubrics and they're all going to be carried out in slightly different ways. Some directly with the Russian government, some with Russian citizens. Q The Jackson-Vanik restrictions that remain and on the COCOM restrictions that remain, can you tell us what the President has to do on that? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, as George noted yesterday, President Yeltsin raised these as irritants in the relationship. The President has noted that. I think it's fair to say we will go back now in our own government when we return to Washington and look at both of these questions, and we'll get back to the Russian government. Q You were not prepared for these questions when you got here? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We were prepared for these questions. We've looked at them. But we're not prepared to make a quick decision this weekend. They require -- let me just explain, particularly on Jackson-Vanik. They require consultation with the Congress. They require consultation with the American Jewish community. And we're very sensitive to those concerns. And so we'll want to go back and talk to them before we take any action. Q Is this package designed so that you will not have to go to Congress for anything at this point? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: As I said at the beginning, the advantage of this particular package is that all the funds have been allocated and appropriated by the Congress. So the administration will not have to go back to the Congress to seek any additional authority to fund any of these efforts. In effect, they can all begin tomorrow, and I know that many of the agencies responsible for these projects will begin tomorrow. And that's the advantage of this particular initiative. Q If this, as the President says, is a long-term, long-haul thing, and members of Congress are at this moment heading for Moscow, why aren't you talking about going to Congress and suggesting to the President of Russia that you are prepared to go to Congress for various things? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think we've been clear about that. The President is discussing this weekend with President Yeltsin some additional ideas that we have for American funding of additional projects, and ideas that he has. We have a major congressional delegation that left last night, headed by Representative Gephardt and we'll want to consult with that delegation and other members of Congress before doing anything. And we'll also want to consult with our allies. So that's where it stands now. Q We've been told repeatedly that a number of these items represent different or new ways of spending the money already appropriated. Could you just tick off which of these items represents reprogramming or at least spending money in ways that it was not previously set to be? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think that we've said that these are all projects that either Congress had allocated money for through the Freedom Support Act; there were some funds that were left over from FY'92. And this administration took office and had some new ideas about how the funds might be expended. We didn't use just the Freedom Support Act funds or the FY'92 funds. We went into some of the agency allocations -- Ex-Im, OPIC, and USDA -- and tried to look for creative ways to further our programs. And example of that is the Food for Progress concessional loans. We had hit a brick wall with another type of funding through USDA. We could not go forward legally, and so we looked for a more creative way to ensure continued American market share and ensure continued grain sales, and we think we found it. Q Where, for example, are you getting the money for this Russian officer resettlement -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's from the Freedom Support Act funds. Q In other words, all of the money is being directly spent in new ways, so to speak -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Most of the grant projects that you see -- if you look at the general chart, the second chart, it's broken down into grant and credits. And if you look under grants, the technical cooperation projects that total $281.9 million -- that is almost all Freedom Support Act funding. A little bit of it is leftover funds from fiscal year '92. The Nunn-Lugar funds, of course, you know about the legislative history of those funds. Q cooperation -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: From FY '92? I don't have the exact figure. It was not a considerable figure. Q Could you tell us please, has anything happened here this weekend that will break the log jam between Ukraine and Russia over START -- for START I and II as a result of what's happened here -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Both presidents, President Yeltsin and President Clinton, will be discussing this issue this morning. In fact, we haven't yet gotten to security and arms control related issues. That will be this morning's session. I know that President Clinton will be very strongly reinforcing that this is a top priority for us. We've been talking to the Russians and the Ukrainians over the last couple of weeks about ways that we might help to facilitate the discussions between them. Up to this point, this has been a very important negotiation that's been going on essentially between Moscow and Kiev. And we are at the point now of essentially discussing with them if there are ways that we could contribute to this discussion, help to move things forward essentially. But in terms of what is coming out of this weekend, I don't yet know. In a couple hours we'll know. Q? Just a follow-up on the financing here. Is any of this robbing Peter to pay Boris -- since it's all current year appropriations, have you taken it from anyplace that's been earmarked and put it into this fund? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There are smoke and mirrors here, and I think it's an important point to note. We could have given you a page of assistance numbers that included out-year funding. We're going to make a long-term commitment to many of these projects -- for instance, the enterprise funds, the privatization effort, the housing effort. And we've already talked to the Russians about our long-term commitment. We could have put in really big numbers and this could have been a bigger package, but we wanted to make a point: This package is FY '93. It's funds that we have. And we're going to do what we say we're going to do. And the President feels very strongly about that. In the past there is a legacy that the western governments, the combination of governments, put up large budget figures and for any number of reasons we're not able to meet them, we're determined, and the President is determined, to carry out every single program in this package. And we'll do it. But we do have a longer-term commitment, and that's part of the discussions on economics this weekend. We're looking for Russian ideas on what it is we can do to most effectively support reform. And we've told them that we do have a commitment on some of these programs beyond this fiscal year. Q taken it way from any -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, we haven't. Okay, the question is, have we reprogrammed any of these funds; so have we taken it from other countries to pay for programs in Russia? The answer is no, we have not done so. Q In terms of funding, there is no available monies left -- and you simply find a creative way to find money somewhere else. Doesn't that, in fact, support the -- theory? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Not at all. I don't think it does. That's a particular example, and the example is grain sales. The Commodity Credit Corporation credit guarantee program was short-term loans that Russia had to pay back within 12 to 15 months. You all know about Russia's debt problem, and Russia was unable to meet those commitments. So we looked for a way to do two things: to meet Russia's requirement for grain. They're a net grain importer on a massive scale, and also meet our objective of making sure that the American farmers have a chance to sell their products to Russia. And we simply look for another way to finance that. And we have legislative authority to do it. This program has been successful in other areas. We had not tried it before in the former Soviet Union, but we thought we should now. Q Isn't this really the Bush-Clinton aid package for Russia, since these funds were really first derived by initiatives put forward by President Bush? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, I don't think that's a fair characterization. A lot of these funds were appropriated by the U.S. Congress is 1991, in 1992. This administration took office and inherited some obligations that the Bush administration had made. But we had a long six to seven week review of this program. We decided to meet the commitments that had been made by the previous administration. But we have gone well beyond them in funding the enterprise fund, which was just an idea, but the idea had not been filled out with a program. There was no number attached to it. In grouping together some projects and trying to make them into a coherent whole in the privatization effort, I would say, is another Clinton initiative. Further, we listened to the Russian government and listened to the Russian military who told us that the resettlement of their officers was important to them for political and economic and social reasons. And President Clinton has responded to that. And we are making a long-term commitment that beyond this demonstration project we're going to figure out a way to do much more in trying to settle those officers. I would also say that the President has given impetus to all of us in the agencies to think much more broadly about what it is we can do on democratization, because there we have some experience and some comparative advantage that lends itself to the Russian experience. And in calling for the creation of a democracy corps, which is another new initiative, we're hopeful that we can take the resources of the private sector as well as the American government, to achieve that objective. So I would not characterize it that way at all. And as most of you know, I am a career civil servant. I was in the last administration. I'm very familiar with what the last administration did. And I would characterize this as a Clinton assistance package for Russia. Q There's been a lot of criticism that aid in the past has not gotten to the people. Is there anything in this outside of the ombudsman, that will guarantee that this money will not just disappear because it's being administered by the Russian government? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think that -- I know that the President and other senior officials of our government are concerned that American money be spent wisely and that it get to the source that it's intended -- for which it's intended. And so we're going to take great care -- AID and the State Department will take great care in making sure that the funds are expended properly and that they're reaching their source. I would not that this package is not simply a package of support solely to the Russian government. Some of these projects, especially in democratization and exchanges, are going to be worked out directly with Russian private individuals, with businesses. The private enterprise support is another example of that. SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: If I could just add a word on this point with regard to the SSD-related programs, one area that we've been looking at very, very closely is consideration of actually using Russian firms in subcontracting for these kinds of programs. They would be working very closely, of course, with the American firms, who would be the prime contractors. But this is a fine example, I think, of a more --of a imaginative and flexible approach toward getting some of that funding down to the grassroots level, down to the ground in Russia; but at the same time ensuring that it is spent efficiently and for the purposes for which it was intended. Q When would the democracy corps start? Exactly when do you see this happening? How would get it off the ground? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, the President is today calling for the creation of a democracy corps. I think it's fair to say that we're going to work out its framework over the next couple of weeks. Ambassador Simons takes up his duties on May 1st. But in effect we've already started, because over the last couple of weeks the administration has begun to reach out to people in the private sector who have come to us asking us to help facilitate their activities in Russia. And we've said that we will be helpful. We've also tried to kind of coordinate in a much more effective way the activities of our own government. We do have 10 or 15 agencies that are active in Russia in one way or another. We think it makes sense to draw them together and to focus their efforts. Q Excuse me. How much of this $1.6 billion will actually be spent in the United States by American made goods? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I don't have any figures for you now, but perhaps we could try to work something up in the next couple of days on that. Q This figure is larger than the figure that has been in the press -- did this program grow yesterday as a result of the discussions, or have we just been that far off the mark? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, I think -- unfortunately the press has been a little bit off the mark, and I'm sorry to say that. No, this package -- President Clinton put us to work about seven weeks ago on this package. And he was briefed intensively on this. He contributed a lot of the intellectual leadership in this package. He contributed a lot of the ideas in the package. And I think it's fair to say that we had this rough package worked out about two weeks ago. We have been refining it ever since. We spent a couple of days last week going over it with the Russian government, both the embassy in Washington and the government in Moscow through our own embassy. And so it's been evolving. But this particular package has been together for about two weeks. Q Where is Yeltsin's input into this then? There was so much talk before about the President wanted to get Yeltsin's views about specifically what was needed and so forth. Is that in the out years? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, it's both. President Yeltsin has on several occasions told us, for instance, that support for the creation of private businesses is important to him; that the resettlement of Russian military officers is important; and that first and foremost the effort to privatize the state industries is important to them. And so what we did was to try to make those the centerpiece of our technical assistance part o the package. We listened to him. On the privatization effort, we have been working with the Russian government for months on this trying to work out all the details. So the Russian government on most of these programs was involved every step of the way. But let me get at the other part of your question. The President is also using this weekend to talk about a broader set of initiatives that we might undertake. And we're looking for his ideas. The President has brought his own ideas to the table -- for instance, on energy and the environment and in housing. But we're looking for Russian ideas not. We need to consult with the Congress; and we need to consult with the other allied governments that are also active. Q There's essentially nothing that happened in the last day and a half that measurably altered the package that you came in with? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: This particular package, as I said, was worked out and was ready about two weeks ago. We have since then consulted with the Russian government on the final stages of its development, and so this weekend we've primarily talked about future, about what more the United States and other Western countries can do to support reform in Russia, which is our base objective here. Q I noticed that you -- that money appropriated to train bankers and businessmen and officers. Can you tell me what about job training for workers who are displaced by privatization? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: You're right; we have a program to train Russian -- young Russians in banking and financial services in the United States. Part of the housing initiative, it's not just to build housing units, it's to retrain Russian officers who are retiring into other professions. Q money for job training for workers whose jobs are disappearing because of privatization -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We have not yet allocated any money for that. Q Why not? Q of the $6 million is going to build 450 housing units. Isn't that a lot of money per unit given what the Western dollar will buy in the former Soviet Union? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: If you want to do housing the right way, it's not just the building the framework of a house, you've got to think about all the utilities. You've got to think about the purchase of land. You've got to think about sewage and gas and electricity and so forth. And it's also retraining. It's not enough to put retired -- an officer coming out of -- Riga or Tallin or Vilnius in a house in western Russia. We think we have an obligation to try to retrain those officers as well. This is responding to a request from the Russian government. Q of the $6 million will go to retrain -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's right. Q Are you talking about apartment buildings or single -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We're talking about single, individual dwellings. Q You're saying that only 450 families will be served by this? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: What I want to -- I thought I pointed out earlier, this is a demonstration project. What we didn't want to do -- given the experience that the Germans and the Turks and the Italians have had in building housing in western Russian, we did not want to leap into it with a huge amount of money. What we want to do is work over the next couple of months and try to figure out with American organizations in the private sector the best way to get this job done. I noted that we have a long-term commitment to that. And so I would expect that we would put a lot more money into this in the future . But we want to do it wisely; we want to spend the money wisely. Q What is it about this program that convinces you that it will protect Russia's reforms and that Russia will be in a position to may back the money they're supposed to pay back, especially considering their other debt problem? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, look, I think it's important to note that the United States on its own does not have the capability to fuel a continuation of Russian reform. It's got to be a collective Western effort, and we're looking to our allies to do more as well. But beyond that, it's really what the Russians do that is going to decide the fate of reform. We can simply play a role, and we feel we have an obligation to do so, which is consistent with our national interests. Q Did the President say that the value of the U.S. contribution was that it would create security and prosperity for the United States? So what is it about this program that does this? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think you have to go back to the fundamental objective of our policy toward Russia, and that is we want to do everything we can to support the continuation of reform. We are convinced that if reformers stay in power, then we'll be able to continue the drawdown of nuclear forces, foreign policy cooperation and economic interaction, which are the three benefits to the United States from reform in Russia. So it's not a simple question. You can't just say that this program is the answer. It's a long-term question and we have to make a long-term commitment to it. Q And then on the question of Russia's ability to repay, what convinces you they'll be able to pay seven to 15 years from now? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, the Russian government has made a commitment to repay, and what we're hoping is that if reform continues, and if they can continue to improve their oil and gas sector and earn additional hard currency revenues, that Russia will be in a position six or seven years from now to pay back those loans. Q substantial government-to-government loan we've ever gotten into with the Russians? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I don't want to answer authoritatively on that. I don't go back 20 or 30 years on this. But in the last four or five years, yes it is, because the previous way that we financed grain exports was really to just ensure private bank loans. This is a different type of effort. Q government loans in any other sector that you recall? I know it wasn't done in -- SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think it's fair to say this is a new and unique effort. END10:25 A.M. PDT ";-1;0 "From: wow@cup.portal.com (wallace otis waggoner) Subject: Hayes JT FAX card for sale $125 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 4 I have a like new Hayes JT FAX for sale $125 or offer or trade! Wally Waggoner wow@cup.portal.com ";-1;0 "From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) Subject: Re: Trace size for a 15 Amp supply Organization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 12 R.G. Keen (rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com) wrote: : A quick and dirty way to get higher current carrying capacity : on PC board traces for one- or few-of-a-kind boards is to : strip some #14 Romex house wiring cable to bare copper, form : the bare copper to follow the trace, and solder it down. And if it's not quick and dirty, you can get bus bars that are stamped out with leads that insert in the PC board. Mark Zenier markz@ssc.wa.com markz@ssc.com ";-1;0 "From: ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia Lines: 61 jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >Promising field experiments are being done this year in several areas of >the country relating to chemical contraceptive baits for deer. Preliminary >data suggests that this will be a cost-effective and humane method for >preventing over-population of habitats. Preliminary data regarding similar research into kangaroo overpopulation in Australia do not in any way support the cost-effectiveness of this approach. It _may_ be cost-effective for deer--if you quietly overlook the fact that the net cost to the state of deer hunting is _negative_ (i.e. a profit) because the (majority of) hunters pay for licences. The cost comparisons are probably being done assuming that people have to be employed to cull the animals, which is not in fact the case. You figure people are going to pay for licences to implant contraceptive pellets or spread baits? There has been a fair bit of discussion about this here recently, because the kangaroo population in the grounds of the Governor- General's residence has now reached plague proportions. Despite the whines of the rampant animal-libbers, the most effective method of controlling the population is still considered to be controlled shooting. >So, now why should we allow hunting ... to prevent over-population of >the deer/bear/ ? Sorry, but that 'justification' of blood- >lust is now gone with the wind. Once mass-production of this stuff >begins, animal populations can be easily managed without a shot being >fired. This leaves only the fact that some people *like* to go out >in the woods and *kill* things. Some people take satisfaction (IMHO, legitimate satisfaction) in eating food that they have harvested themselves. The pleasure derived from hunting is the same as that you get from eating fruit and vegetables grown in your own garden (and, in general, game meat is probably much freer of unpleasant chemicals than what you buy from the butcher or the supermarket). > That may be a motivation, but it >cannot now be justified. Expect PETA and like organizations to use >this argument to get hunting banned - period. By ""cannot now be justified"" I guess you mean that you personally don't see any justification. Fine--but what makes your opinion so important? >With no legitimate hunting, with the papers filled with stories of >senseless murders ... I guess there won't be a chance in hell of >building a case for the RKBA that will withstand either public >opinion, necessity or scientific scrutiny. Don't give me that >""silent majority wants guns"" crap ... they are and will be 'silent'. >No votes for RKBA, no RKBA. Certainly the last point is correct. If politicians don't see any votes for themselves in opposing stupid legislation or in developing and supporting measures which might be effective in reducing the incidence of violent crime they won't do these things. Geoff Miller (g-miller@adfa.edu.au) Computer Centre, Australian Defence Force Academy ";3;1 "From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr17.065015.3554 Distribution: usa Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 13 In article oprsfnx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Stephen F. Nicholas) writes: [stuff about Dodge Shadow deleted] > As an ex-Fleet Mgr. of 3000 cars, they were amoung the most trouble free of >all models. I bought one for my wife. What do you mean by ""all models"", all models of cars, all Chrysler models, all models that the fleet manager had bought? Because there is no way in hell that the Shadow is the most reliable car of all models sold, not even Chrysler's dept. of lies, damned lies and statistics would claim that. Craig > ";10;1 "From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Nntp-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 54 In article <1993Apr16.155919.28040@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: >In article sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: >> >>In article <1993Apr15.200344.28013@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: >>What is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the >>impression (and you may not in fact hold this view) that the common (perhaps >>even the ""correct"") approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around >>having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and >>petty hatreds. > >Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial >thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use >unless they make you do some experiments. I've known a lot of scientists >whose fantasies lead them on to creative work; usually they won't admit >out loud what the fantasy was, prior to the consumption of a few beers. The danger in philosophizing about science is that theory and generalization can end up being far removed from the actual day-to-day of the grunt at the bench. Yes, its great to be involved in a process were I can walk into the lab after a heavy night of dreaming and just do something for the hell of it (as long as my advisor doesn't catch me - which is easy enough to do), but stamping out such behavior seems to be the purpose in life of grant review committees and the peer review process in general. In today's world that's what determines what science is: what gets funded. And a damn good thing to. Flights of fantasy just don't have much chance of producing anything, at least not in biomedical research. The surest way for a graduate student to ruin their life is to work in a lab where the boss is more concerned with fleshing out his/her fantasies than with having the student work on a project that actually has a good chance of producing some results. MD's seem to be particularly prone to this aberrant behavior. >(Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA >electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, hoping that >he'd seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic >genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out >binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence >that occurs about 500,000 times in the human genome. Unfortunately for >Warren's fantasy, it turns out to be a transposon that is present in >so many copies because it replicates itself and copies itself back into >the genome. On the other hand, the characteristics of transposons were >much elucidated; the necessity of a cellular reverse transcriptase was >recognized; and the standard method of recognizing human DNA was created. >Other species have different sets of transposons. Fortunately for me, >Warren and I used to eat dinner at T.G.I. Fridays all the time.) I have to agree with Gary Merrill's response to this. I've read alot of the Alu and middle repetitive sequence work and it's really very interesting, good work with implications for many fields in molecular genetics. It's really an example of how a well reasoned project turned up interesting results that were unexpected. Mike ";-1;0 "From: David Reeve Sward Subject: Re: AMD i486 clones: Now legal in US?!?!?! Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr19.180211.1@wharton.upenn.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware: 19-Apr-93 AMD i486 clones: Now legal .. by poe@wharton.upenn.edu > A friend of mine called me on the phone and told me he was wathcing CNN > and saw a report that the ruling prohibiting AMD from selling their i486 > clones has been thrown out, making it legal for AMD to ship in the US. > Can anyone out there verify this? It's true. I read about it from an article in ClariNet (can't send it here though). U.S. District Court Judge William A. Ingram, of San Francisco, threw out the jury verdict prohibiting AMD from using Intels' microcode for the 486. -- David Sward sward+@cmu.edu Finger or email for PGP public key: 3D567F Fingerprint = E5 16 82 B0 3C 96 DB 6F B2 FB DC 8F 82 CB E9 45 Stop the Big Brother Chip - Just say NO to the Clipper ""Wiretap"" Chip! ";-1;0 "From: Kurt Godden Subject: GM May Build Toyota-badged Car Organization: GM R&D Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ksg.cs.gmr.com X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 13:54:11 GMT This appeared today in the The Japan Economic Journal reported GM plans to build a Toyota-badged car in the US for sale in Japan. Bruce MacDonald, VP of GM Corporate Communications, yesterday confirmed that GM President and CEO Jack Smith had a meeting recently with Tatsuro Toyoda, President of Toyota. this meeting the two discussed business opportunities to increase GM exports to Japan, including further component sales as well as completed vehicle sales, parts sales, the two presidents agreed conceptually to pursue an arrangement whereby GM would build a Toyota-badged, right-hand drive vehicle in the US for sale by Toyota in Japan. A working group has been formed to finalize model specifications, exact timing and other details. ";-1;0 "From: wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies Distribution: world Organization: W. R. Slack Lines: 20 Various posts about shafties can't do wheelies: >: > No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects >: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift >: > off the ground > >Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my >BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and >you know what? He was right! Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake! Bill __ wrs@gozer.mv.com (Bill Slack) DoD #430 But her tears were shed in vain and her every word was lost In the rumble of his engine and the smoke from his exhaust! Oo..o&o ";-1;0 "From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: mile high runs Article-I.D.: master.1psq90INNh93 Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu How many runs will be scored in Denver? I don't know. but some idea can be gotten by looking at the runs scored in Mile High Stadium during the last few years of the Bears/Zephyrs tenure in the American Association. Here's the total runs scored per game in Zephyrs games, all league games and the ratio. I found the same ratios for HR. Year rpg lea ratio hrpg lea ratio 1992 10.22 9.10 1.12 1.65 1.58 1.04 1991 9.53 8.87 1.07 1.41 1.26 1.12 1990 10.71 8.72 1.23 1.49 1.24 1.20 1989 9.07 8.34 1.09 1.27 1.11 1.14 1988 9.90 8.37 1.18 1.29 1.08 1.19 1987 12.55 10.70 1.17 2.39 1.92 1.24 1986 9.45 9.33 1.01 1.35 1.38 .98 1985 9.50 8.54 1.11 1.53 1.34 1.14 1984 9.99 9.10 1.10 1.55 1.59 .97 1983 10.60 9.99 1.06 2.03 1.74 1.17 1982 11.29 10.35 1.09 2.24 1.91 1.17 1981 10.29 9.25 1.11 1.43 1.49 .96 1980 10.59 9.43 1.12 1.63 1.46 1.12 1446/13-->1.11 1444/13-->1.11 It seems pretty clear that Denver will have a large effect on runs scored (I'll stick with my prediction from last year that it'll be one of the top 3 in the NL this year) and a fairly large effect on Homeruns - though apparently not as large as Atlanta, Wrigley, Cincinnati and San Diego. Still it ought to be a pretty decent home run park. john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu ";-1;0 "From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) Subject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK Lines: 37 > I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd >pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in >ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam >and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in >1979 as "" a covert political and ideological institution used by the >U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and >repression."" > My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even >praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It's important that >Christians don't immediately accept every ""Christian"" organization as >automatically above reproach. > > mp Good heavens, you mean my good friend Wes Collins, who took his wife and two small children into the jungles of Guatemala, despite dangers from primitive conditions and armed guerillas, so that the indigenous people groups their could have the Bible in their native languages--the young man who led Bible studies in our church, who daily demonstrated and declared his deep abiding faith in the Lord of Love--you mean he really was a sneaky imperialistic *SPY* whose _real_ reason for going was to exploit and oppress the ignorant and unsuspecting masses? Imagine my surprise! I never would have thought it of him. How was this terrible deceit discovered? What exactly was the ""cultural interference"" they were caught committing? Attempting to persuade the locals that their ancestral gods were false gods, and their sacrifices (including human sacrifices in some cases) were vain? Destroying traditional lifestyles by introducing steel tools, medical vaccines, and durable clothes? Oh and by the way, who did the denouncing? I am terribly shocked to hear that my friend Wes, who seemed so nice, was really such a deceitful tool of the devil. Please provide me with specific documentation on this charge. There is some risk that I may not believe it otherwise. - Mark ";-1;0 "From: massey@travis.llnl.gov Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder Article-I.D.: travis.1993Apr6.093828.1 Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: travis.llnl.gov In article , dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes: > I've been wanting to build a Tesla coil for quite awhile now ( > who doesn't, right? ) and I thought it would be a good intermidiate > step to build a JAcob's Ladder first. > Well, I have been looking for a high voltage transformer that > is reasonable inexpensive ( neon sign transformers cost mucho ). In the past I've managed to buy used neon sign transformers from sign shops for about $20. Try calling around. Warren N. Massey Massey@Travis.LLNL.Gov Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory 7000 East Ave., P.O. Box 808, L-495 Livermore, Calif. 94550 <<>> (510)422-1958 ";-1;0 "From: dotzlaw@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Helmut Dotzlaw) Subject: Anti-aliasing utility wanted Nntp-Posting-Host: murphy.biochem.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba Lines: 10 I am currently using POVRay on Mac and was wondering if anyone in netland knows of public domain anti-aliasing utilities so that I can skip this step in POV, very slow on this machine. Any suggestions, opinions about post-trace anti-aliasing would be greatly appreciated. Helmut Dotzlaw Dept. of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology University of Manitoba Winnipeg, Canada dotzlaw@ccu.umanitoba.ca ";-1;0 "From: sciamanda@edinboro.edu Subject: Re: Outdoor FM Antennas Organization: Edinboro University of PA Lines: 25 In article , beerb@ccmail.dayton.saic.com (Bradlee Beer) writes: > I'm interested in buying or building an omnidirectional antenna for the > commercial FM band (88-108MHz). The commonly sold ones are a folded dipole > bent in an ""S"" shape; and one with a pair of crossed dipoles. I don't see > either of these designs as exhibiting any gain, and they probably aren't > truely omnidirectional. > > > I'm intrigued by the discone antenna. Does anyone have detailed information > on how to design one for the FM band (with 75-ohm impedence)?? Is one > commercially available?? Are there other designs that have GAIN?? > > I already own a 10-element FM yagi. It works great, but requires frequent > rotation for those distant stations. > > Brad Beer, 4414 Castle Gate Drive, Beavercreek, OH 45432-1814 Brad, For an antenna, gain is synonymous with directionality. The only way to get gain (>1) out of an antenna is to design in directionality. The ""gain"" of an antenna is defined as the signal increase (for a preferred direction) over the signal obtained by an isotropic antenna. Bob Sciamanda Edinboro Univ of PA ";-1;0 "From: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford) Subject: The Mystery in the Paradox Reply-To: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford) Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 9 I have been looking for a book that specifically addresses the mystery of God in the paradox. I have read some that touch on the subject in a chapter but would like a more detailed read. Is anyone aware of any books that deal with this subject. Please e-mail me. Thanks. Barbara ";-1;0 "From: k@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Steve Kao) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Organization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site Lines: 16 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: hprnd.rose.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] Daniel Oldham (oldham@ces.cwru.edu) wrote: > The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored > transports. ... > With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with > mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few > women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn > to death 51 days later. Is this a joke? The legal way to serve a search warrant is to knock on the door. Tossing in a grenade to serve a search warrant violates the US Constitution and is hence, illegal. The BD complied with legal search warrants in the past. I do not understand why the BATF used an illegal means to serve their search warrant last February. - Steve Kao ";-1;0 "From: uli@izfm.uni-stuttgart.de (Uli Allgeier) Subject: Re: PADS Question - How do I go from a schematic -> PCB? Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: pc8.izfm.uni-stuttgart.de Hi! In article rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) writes: >After I have produced a schematic with PADS-LOGIC, how do I import it into >PADS-PCB to create a PCB pattern? The only way I've gotten it to work is >to output a FutureNet netlist, and then import this into PADS-PCB. Is there >another way of doing this? I didn't see any information in the instructions >provided, but I might have missed something. Any suggestions would be >greatly appreciated. Thanks! Sorry, it's german, but I hope you understand it. Uebertragung der Schaltplan-Daten (*.SCH) in die Board-Daten (*.JOB): PADS-LOGIC: In/Out Reports Net List Select PADS-PCB Net List Output file name -> filename angeben PADS-PCB: In/Out Ascii In Ascii input file name -> filename angeben Errors aoutput file name -> filename angeben, nicht CR Jetzt sind alle Bauteile auf einem Haufen und muessen mit Move verteilt werden. Viele Gruesse Uli ";-1;0 "From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 58 In article <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > If alcohol were again banned today, it would be MUCH more > difficult to manage a large-scale smuggling operation. > The cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military > in communications, intelligence gathering and firepower. Proof by assertion! I love it! Uh, please explain why the smugglers do not also rank a notch below (or above) the military in terms of communications, intelligence gathering (e.g., why fight officials when you can bribe them...""I'll give you a hundred grand to let that semi past...""), and firepower. > In a similar vein, the amount of marijuana smuggled into > this country has greatly decreased. This is because its > value-per-pound is very low when compared to cocaine or > heroin. It's simply not worth the risk, it's uneconomical. > Now, most reefer is domestic. There is less pressure on > the domestic producer (showy raids notwithstanding) and > thus it is economical. Of note though ... domestic reefer > is now very strong, so a small volume goes a long way. > You cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof - not a > good dollar/pound deal. > What's the point here? You're arguing that the black market WORKS (which it does, of course). > Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. This is the wrong way to quantify things. The smuggler would be concerned about value/cubic foot. Go to a gun show and price out a crate of good quality handguns. > It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production > would have to be local. There are not all that many people What's ""local?"" > who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile > firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could What is a worthwhile firearm? Hell, anything that WORKS! Go get yourself a copy of the Army's 1969 Improvised Munitions Manual. See how easy it is to make a functional firearm. > obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and > average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would > pay through the nose for it. If paying $10 for inconspicuous parts at the local K-Mart is ""through the nose."" Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium ";-1;0 "From: pat@fegmania.wustl.edu (Pat Niemeyer) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA Lines: 11 Reply-To: pat@fegmania.wustl.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: fegmania.wustl.edu Originator: pat@fegmania >>> Are any brands ""quieter"" than others? >Yes some radar detectors are less detectable by radar detector >detectors. ;-) I have a Bel-966. I just looked at the manual yesterday... and it does indeed claim to be undetectable by RDD's. Pat ";11;1 "From: Nanci Ann Miller Subject: Re: Bible Quiz Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: > Would you mind e-mailing me the questions, with the pairs of answers? > I would love to have them for the next time a Theist comes to my door! I'd like this too... maybe you should post an answer key after a while? Nanci ......................................................................... If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu): It is better to be a coward for a minute than dead for the rest of your life. ";-1;0 "From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) Subject: Re: Swimming pool defense Nntp-Posting-Host: tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois Lines: 23 In article kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.201310.13693@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >>In article dasmith@husc8.harvard.edu ( >David Smith) writes:>>Granted, the simple fact of holding down a job will >improve these kids' chances>>of getting another job in the future, but what >inner city kid would want to hold>>down just one more minimum wage job when >there is so much more money to be made>>dealing drugs? >> >>What suburban kid would want to hold down a minimum wage job when there is so >>much more money to be made dealing drugs? >> >>Yet, somehow, surburban kids do hold down minimum wage jobs. So do inner >>city kids, when give the chance. Any reason you think that inner city kids >>are incapable of doing legitimate work? > >I suppose the correct answer is not ""family values""? > >S'pose not. Never mind. Sorry. > Are you assuming that families in the inner city don't have family values ? I sure hope not. ";18;1 "From: kolodzie@uni-duesseldorf.de (Stefan Kolodzie) Subject: WINWORD and QUATTRO-PRO-Problems on a notebook Organization: Psychologisches Institut I, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.99.100.6 Hello, I have a 386sx25 notebook with windows 3.1 running fine. WINWORD 2.0 and QUATTRO-PRO for windows also work fine when no virtual memory is used. Switching on the virtual memory option these programs (probably others too) don't work, the system crashes. The same programs work well with arbitrary virtual memory on two other desktop PC's. What am I doing wrong? If you can help, please mail to me directly, if possible. Thank you very much in advance. Stefan /---------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Stefan K. Kolodzie Heinrich-Heine-University | | Institute for General Psychology Duesseldorf, Germany | | e-mail: kolodzie@ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de | \---------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ";-1;0 "From: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy) Subject: 8*24 card questions Organization: Howtek, Inc. Reply-To: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy) X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 31 I'm considering buying one of these to offload the internal video in my IIci and to get 24 bit color capability on my 13"" monitor. What's the deal on them? 1) Do they come with varying amounts of RAM? If so, what is the max and min? How much do I need for 640 x 480 x 24 bits? 2) What bit depths are supported? One, 2, 4, 8, 16, and 24? 3) Are all these cards accelerated or just some? Is it true that modern accelerated video cards are (at least in general) faster? What bit depths are accelerated, all or just 24 bit? I've heard that some applications actually run *slower* with this card if they write directly to the screen (or something like that). Is this a frequent problem? How much slower is it? 4) Didn't I read (when System 7 first came out) that the card was incompatible? If so, how was this corrected (Finder patch, some INIT, or other)? Has it been kept compatible with 7.1? Are there many other apps that it is incompatible with (games or important (i.e., non- Microsloth) apps, for example)? 5) If you have a strong opinion on it's value for someone in my position, let me know what you think a reasonable price is to pay for it. Thanks a lot for you input. Rick ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Roy Usenet: rick@howtek.MV.com America Online: QED Disclaimer: My employer's views are orthogonal to these. The early bird got worms. ";0;1 "From: jcav@ellis.uchicago.edu (JohnC) Subject: your opinion of the LaserWriter Select 310? Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things Lines: 10 This model is one of the two low-cost laser printers that Apple just introduced. I'm thinking of getting one to use at home. Have any of you had any experience with this printer? Does it have Level-2 PostScript? If you've bought one, are you happy with it? -- John Cavallino | EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu University of Chicago Hospitals | John_Cavallino@uchfm.bsd.uchicago.edu Office of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953 B0 f++ w c+ g++ k+ s++ e h- p | Chicago, IL 60637 ";-1;0 "From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) Subject: Re: To be exact, 2.5 million Muslims were exterminated by the Armenians. Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel Lines: 33 ac = In <9304202017@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) pl = linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) pl: 1. So, did the Turks kill the Armenians? ac: So, did the Jews kill the Germans? ac: You even make Armenians laugh. ac: ""An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the ac: systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of ac: the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at ac: least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The ac: memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and ac: eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in ac: 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."" Typical Mutlu. PvdL asks if X happened, the response is that Y happened. Even if we grant that the Armenians *did* do what Cosar accuses them of doing, this has no bearing on whether the Turks did what they are accused of. While I can understand how an AI could be this stupid, I can't understand how a human could be such a moron as to either let such an AI run amok or to compose such pointless messages himself. I do not expect any followup to this article from Argic to do anything to alleviate my puzzlement. But maybe I'll see a new line from his list of insults. -- /|/-\/-\ |__/__/_/ |warren@ / nysernet.org ";-1;0 "From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 122 In steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes: >Compiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career >DAs for the individual players in the reports. Stats are courtesy of >Sherri Nichols. Players are listed in descending order. And some comments, with some players deleted. >Third Basemen >------------- >Name 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 88-92 >Mitchell, Kevin .690 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.690 Yep, that Kevin Mitchell. I never would have expected him in the #1 spot. >Gonzales, Rene .685 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.685 It's no accident that the first two names are 1988 only. As with first and second base, 1988 was the year of the glove. Average DA was 20 points higher in both leagues than any other year. >Leius, Scott ---- ---- ---- .653 .680 0.672 Looks good. Too bad he's moving to short. >Pendleton, Terry .692 .685 .631 .689 .634 0.667 Highest five-year regular, though he's only had one year as good as Kevin Mitchell :->. >Ventura, Robin ---- ---- .641 .647 .677 0.657 >Wallach, Tim .728 .674 .600 .630 .665 0.657 >Gruber, Kelly .717 .657 .580 .630 .664 0.650 The other elite fielders in the league. >Pagliarulo, Mike .631 ---- .575 .744 ---- 0.649 This is an interesting line. His 1988 figure was slightly below average. His 1990 was pathetic, and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody. Part of that may be his mobility. 1988 was with the Yankees. 1990 was with the Padres, who appear to have a rotten infield. 1991 was with the Twins, and judging by Leius and Gaetti, the Metrodome may be a good place to play third. >Williams, Matt ---- ---- .633 .653 .656 0.647 Add another to the elite fielders list. >Caminiti, Ken ---- .675 .630 .653 .596 0.642 >Sabo, Chris .751 .626 .616 .613 .575 0.642 Too fielders whose career average may overstate their value. I don't know what happened to Caminiti -- judging by the three previous years, his low 1992 may be a fluke. Sabo is merely average, however. His incredible 1988 (best year ever) brings his average up a lot. >Buechele, Steve .647 .616 .647 .681 .599 0.635 Strange last two years. >Schmidt, Mike .628 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.628 According to reputation, one of the best fielders ever at third base. But at the end, he was below average. (Average in 1988 was .643). >Boggs, Wade .643 .659 .550 .653 .634 0.626 Boggs has been pretty good. I don't know what happened in 1990, but every other year he has been above average, usually by quite a bit. >Martinez, Egdar ---- ---- .621 .645 .599 0.624 Last year -- a fluke or a portent? >*NL Average* .643 .625 .602 .623 .603 0.619 >Seitzer, Kevin .654 .583 .593 ---- .635 0.616 >*AL Average* .641 .612 .604 .620 .602 0.615 Why is it that the two leagues usually have defensive averages very close to one another, but very different from year to year? Any ideas? >Jacoby, Brook .624 .621 .600 ---- .597 0.613 Brook is declining. >Hansen, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .611 0.611 >Magadan, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .609 0.609 >Jefferies, Greg ---- ---- ---- ---- .606 0.606 Three first-time regulars, above average in 1992. I'm not sure why Jefferies gets all the grief about his fielding. He's never had a good year, but while at second he improved to become an average fielder, and is an average fielder at third. >Zeile, Todd ---- ---- ---- .614 .593 0.605 Zeile, on the other hand, is a below average fielder. Each year he's about 10 points below average. And it's probably not just the park, since Terry Pendleton had excellent DAs in the three years before this. >Baerga, Carlos ---- ---- ---- .604 ---- 0.604 Moving back to second was a good idea. >Hayes, Chris ---- .601 .622 .606 .574 0.602 So why is Hayes supposed to be good defensively? He's had a grand total of one year above the league DA, and was pretty bad last year. >Johnson, Howard .628 .549 .611 .573 ---- 0.588 >Lansford, Carney .620 .578 .594 ---- .550 0.587 Howard Johnson and Carney Lansford -- separated at birth. To his credit, HoJo did have one above average year (1990). Lansford couldn't even break the .600 mark without the help of the year of the glove. >Hollins, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .577 0.577 Good hitter, but his fielding needs work. >Sheffield, Gary ---- ---- .584 ---- .567 0.575 Not a good fielder. >Blauser, Jeff ---- .573 ---- ---- ---- 0.573 >Fryman, Travis ---- ---- ---- .571 ---- 0.571 Both are better off at shortstop. >Gomez, Lee ---- ---- ---- .551 .542 0.546 Two consecutive horrible years for Leo. Camden Yards doesn't seem to have helped his fielding any. >Palmer, Dean ---- ---- ---- ---- .520 0.520 Texas slugger debuts with not only the lowest career DA, but the lowest DA at third ever. Congratulations, Dean. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball ";-1;0 "From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 51 In article , jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: > >So the phrase ""the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall >not be infringed"" must either qualify or explain the phrase ""a well >regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state."" [stuff deleted] >Since ""the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be >infringed"" does not describe, modify or make less harsh anything and >it has nothing to do with grammar or some sort of position or task. >By process of elimination it must fall into definition #3. And since >#3 deals with legal power, the same thing the Constitution does, it >must be the correct definition in this case. Therefore, ""the right >of the people to keep and bear Arms"" gives legal power to the ""well >regualated militia"" and this legal power ""shall not be infringed"". Ah, clarification by obfuscation. Actually, the words ""A well regulated Milita, being necessary to the security of a free state"" is a present participle, used as an adjective to modify 'militia', which is followed by the main clause of the sentence, the subject being 'the right', the verb 'shall'. It asserts that the right to keep and bear arms is essential for maintaining a milita. The sentence doesn't restrict the right, or state or imply possession of the right by anyone or anything other than the people. All it does is make a positive statement regarding a right of the people. The PEOPLE, as in you and me, as in the First, Fourth, Ninth, Tenth, as well as the Second amendment. The existence of this right is assumed - it is not granted by the amendment. There is no stated or implied condition relating the right to bear arms to the necessity of a well-regulated militia to the security of a free state. In other words, the entire sentence says that the right to keep and bear arms is UNCONDITIONAL. >So in effort not to force my views and not ""to destory our Liberties and >Rights,"" I state that nothing I have written, or will write, in >the matter of ""Liberties and Rights"" is the final word. For I am only >one person among many and the final word on ""Liberties and Rights"" cleary >and irrevocably belongs to the many. The final word on liberties and rights should not belong ""to the many"". That is why we have a Constitution. Otherwise, a tyrrany of the majority can ensue from ""popular"" opinion, a concept which you should be familiar with from the Federalist papers. Al [standard disclaimer] ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Targa format-->text file Lines: 7 Does anyone know how to convert a targa or similar 24 bit picture into a list of R G B values and then convert back to targa after doing operations on the p ixels R G B codes. ex. Targa ---->000100255pixel 1 001200201pixel 2etc.... If no one can help me with this could someone explain how the 24 bit data is st ored in the targa file and also how its stored in the 8 bit targas. Thanks ";-1;0 "From: rkim@eecg.toronto.edu (Ryan Kim) Subject: New break pads & exhausts after 96K km (60K mi) on '90 Maxima? Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto Lines: 43 Hi, maybe someone can help me here... I am looking to buy this 1990 Nissan Maxima GXE for CDN$14000 right now. The car has 96000 km (or about 60000 miles) on it. A typical mileage for 1990 cars seem to be about 70000 km (or about 43K mi). The seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced to meet the legal standards. (He said he will replace the components before selling the car to me.) Being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars, I don't know what this could mean... Is 96K km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items? Or is this an indication that the car was abused? Would other things break down or have to be replaced soon? The seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot, but, I don't know how to verify this... I've seen the paint chipped away in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood, though. Although the Maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and well kept, it's currently out of warranty (a similarly priced '90 Accord with 70K km will have 2 years or 30K km worth of warranty left) and I don't want to worry about paying for any repair bills... But, I also need a car for 5 people... When will the new Maxima come out, by the way? I would very much appreciate your input in this. Please reply by e-mail (preferred) or post in this newsgroup. Thanks! Ryan ======== Ryan Kim University of Toronto, EECG, Computer Graphics rkim@eecg.toronto.edu ""Do not weave between traffic cones at road works."" - from the new British Highway Code (Toronto Star April 3, 1993) ";-1;0 "From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: Re: NO JOKE: ROCKIES HAVE ATTENDANCE RECORD!!!! Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 21 Distribution: usa Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article <1993Apr2.184338.18205@dvorak.amd.com> twhite@mozart.amd.com (Tom White) writes: > The highest single-game attendance was Game 5 of the 1959 World Series, > October 6, at the LA Coliseum. White Sox over Dodgers, 1-0. > > Gate? Officially 92,706. > > Largest regular-season game? 78,672, again in LA, for the first > game in the City of Angels -- Opening Day, April 18, 1958 (home opener, > anyway). > > The Rockies might really nail the record. > > The record attendance for a doubleheader is larger, but since dh's are > all but nonexistent nowadays, why bother listing it... Wasn't there an 85,000 New York at Cleveland game in the late 40's? jhon rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu prediction for 1993: Marlins: 70 wins, Rockies: 50 wins ";-1;0 "From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) Subject: Re: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, 3/23 Article-I.D.: genesis.1pqfbd$e6b Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com In article <1pprtvINNctl@aludra.usc.edu> sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) writes: >arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: > >>In article <1993Apr1.164804.1105@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> babb@k2 (Scott Babb) writes: >>>Jack Schmidling (arf@genesis.MCS.COM) wrote: >>>: jac2y@Virginia.EDU (Jonathan A. Cook ) writes: >>>: : > >[...] > >>>Why do you restrict your condemnation of racial strife to Israel? >>>Do the situations in Bosnia, Tibet, China, etc. not merit your comment? > >>As far as I am aware, we have not sent close to $100 billion dollars to > ^^^ > Let's not exaggerate. I notice you did not offer an alternative number. Try this one on for size..... by the year 2000, American taxpayers will have given Israel one dollar for every star in the Milky Way Galaxy. I will let you look up the number. ";18;1 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Murray as GM (was: Wings will win Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 18 In article <20APR199312512640@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) writes: > >Gerald, Murray wasn't responsible for Primeau (although I'm not >ready to admit that's a horrible pick). They hired him after the >draft (which has never made sense to me). His first pick was >Lapointe. > I don't think Primeau is necessarily a bad pick...I'm was just trying to locate the beginning of Murray's decisions...he slowness in trading Carson has delayed Primeau's development...and you have to wait longer for big players often...and Primeau can be a very good player without being a point-a-game-player, especially on a team that has Yzerman and Fedorov...if Primeau becomes Joel Otto, and gets 20 goals a season, and plays mean...it will have been an extremely good pick. Gerald ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: various migraine therapies Article-I.D.: pitt.19396 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 21 In article lindy@olsen.ch (Lindy Foster) writes: >I've been treated to many therapies for migraine prophylaxis and treatment, >and it looks like they'll try a few more on me. I have taken propanolol >(I think it was 10mg 3xdaily) with no relief. I have just been started 30mg per day of propranolol is a homeopathic dose in migraine. If you got fatigued at that level, it is unlikely that you will tolerate enough beta blocker to help you. > >If we go the antidepressant route, what is it likely to be? How do >antidepressants work in migraine prophylaxis? > Probably a single nightime dose. We don't know how they work in migraine, but it probably has something to do with seratonin. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: s872505@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Stephen Bokor) Subject: Re: A: DRIVE WON'T BOOT Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric J Balog) writes: >Hi! >I recently switched my 3.5"" drive to A:. The problem is, while I can read and >write to both the new A: and B: correctly, I can't boot from a floppy in A:. >I've checked the CMOS settings; it is set for Floppy Seek at Boot and Boot >Order A:,C:. >Once, I had a floppy that did not have the systems files on it in A:. I got a >message telling me to put a disk systems disk in the drive. It didn't work. >When I do have a systems disk in the A: drive, this is what happens: >1) Power-on and Memory Test; >2) A: light comes on >3) B: light comes on, followed by a short beep; >4) HD light comes on for an instant; >5) B: light comes on again, then nothing happens >The light goes off, there is no disk activity of any kind, and the screen >blanks. I can't even use ctrl-alt-del. >Any suggestions. Have you checked: 1/ The setting of drive A: to 1.44 M floppy. 2/ The setting of drive B: to 1.2 M foppy. 3/ The cable connecting the two drives to the controller card (I can't remember which two wires are swapped, but they determine which is drive A: & b:). I hope this is of some help :-) Steve s872505@minyos.xx.oz.au ";5;1 "From: dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers) Subject: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect) Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Lines: 16 In article hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes: > >>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each > ^^^^^^ > excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these. Squids are everybody but me and you. Chris Behanna is especially a squid. -- * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ | Views expressed here are * * (310) 337-5136 | mine and do not necessarily * * dana@locus.com DoD #466 | reflect those of my employer * * This Extra supports the abolition of the 13 and 20 WPM tests * ";7;1 "From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) Subject: HELPHLPHELPHELP Reply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 149 ******* ******* This is somewhat long, but pleas read it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ******* Boy am i glad you decided to read this. I've got a problem that I need as many people's help from as possible. Before I go in to the details of this, let me go ahead and tell you that (though it may sound it) this is not one of those boy meets girl problem...at least not totally like that to me....Anyway... OK, I am a 19 year old Sophmore at NCSU. About 10 years ago, my family and I were vacationing at the coast in a cottage we rented. Across the street, was ths girl who would whistle at me whenever she saw me... her name in Erin. Well, we became friends that week at the beach and have been writing each other for about 10 years....there was a period of about 2 years we lost contact..but that was a while ago. By the way...Erin lives in Kansas and me in NC. OK, last year in one of her letters, she says that she is coming back to NC to see some of her family who are gonna be there. So I drove about 4 hours to see her. This is where it begins....I spent the whole day with Erin....one of the best days of my life. Even though we had been writing each other, we still had to get used to being in person....she has got to be the most incredible woman I ever met. (She's one year older than me BTW). I mean, no person in the world could ask for a better person. Not only was she incredibly beautiful (not to mention WAY out of my league...although I'm not unattractive mind you), but she had a great personality and a great sence of humor. Her family is one of those families who goes to church but that is about the extent of their Christianity...you know the kind of people. But she knows I am a Christian. Well, you get the idea of what I think of her. If there is ever such a thing as love at first sight....I found it. That was last year...I kid you not when I say that I have thought about her EVERY day since then. In out letters, Erin and I always kid each other about not finding dates..(which is true for me, but I know it can't be for her). She has had some problems at home, her folks split up and she ended up leaving school....Now we are at the present... Let me give you part of the letter I got from her last week.... ""Okay, now I'm going to try to explain my life to you. I'm not going to KU anymore because something just isn't right. College just wasn't clicking with me here. Greek life is really big here and that just isn't my way. I wasn't taking any classes that truly interested me & i really have no idea of what i want to do with my life. I was interested in something medical (Physical Therpy) & I love working with kids, but 'it' just didn't work for me at this university. And my parents could tell. ""So I'm working full time at the Bass Store [Bass shoes that is] and now I have a part-time job at a local daycare. I work in the infant room M-W-F. I've really enjoyed it so far. It spices up my week a little bit and it's great experience. ""As of now, I'm not planning on going back to school in the very near future. The main reason being my indecision on what I want to study. But I definatley plan on going back within the next couple of years. Where? I have no idea--except for one thing, it won't be to Kansas. ""Right noew I'm discussing a promotion with my boss and district manager. It looks like I'll train at the store I work at now for about 4-6 months as Assistant Manager and when that's done, I'll basically be given a list of stores (newly or soon to be built) to chose where i would like to manage. I've pretty much decided on either one of the Carolinas (hopeully close to the beach) Wouldn't it be fun to actually see each other more than once every few years?? What do you think abou that? I would like to know your opinion. ""This job would pretty much be temporary. But it is VERY GOOD pay and any thye of management experience would look good on an application or resume. The company is solid and treats it employees very well. Good benefits, bonuses & medical plans. Plus- after 1 year of full-time service, they will reimburse tuition. I do have school money waitng for me, but this will help, especially since I will probably end up paying out of state tuition wherever I go. ""Chris, i really would like to know what you think of my decision. I respect your opinion. I've been completely lost for what to do for soooo long that when the opportunity came along it sounded really good. I do like my job although I'm about 99.9% sure that i want to do more with my life than reatil management..but it IS something. I don't think earning about $20,000 a year for a 20 year old female is too bad. ""Anyway, onto your career decisions. I'll solve your problem right now, MARRY ME... ""You can do your pilot thing-- I like to be by myself sometimes! Seriously (or not as seriously)- do what will make you the happiest, worry about the home life later."" *********** OK, well I'm sure you see what has got me so uptight. What do you think she meant about the marraige thing?? I dream at night about marrying her, and then she mentions it in her letter!!! I don't know what to think?? Since she wants to move to the Carolina's should i search out a Bass store near here and aske her to come to Carolina??? I always pick on those people who graduate from high school and get married....but what does she mean??? I've had a lot of stress lately with exams and also the fact that I don't date beacause 1) No time 2) Not that much $$ 3) that most college women are wrapped up in the social scene with the Greeks whic as a Christian I can't support-----and here she says she doesn't like the Greek thing either!! Maybe I'm so stunned because there is actually a girl that I am so attracted to paying some real attention to me. I mean, what if she did move to NC...what would I do??? I'm only 19 and she 20....I'm only a Sophmore struggling through classes.. I have prayed about this over the past year from time to time.. saying, ""God if she is the right one, let the situation open up.."" Could this be my sign??? I would do ANYTHING to get her to NC...here is some moree that makes it worse.. Should I call her?? I'm terrible over the phone. I don't even like to talk to my friends here for longer than 3 minutes. I mean, what would a girl as perfect as her want with a very average guy like me?? I'm really confused....I would really appreciate any help i can get. Thanx Chris [I have a feeling that it might be more appropriate to talk with Chris directly via email. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: On the eve of 78th Anniversary Commemoration of the Turkish Holocaust. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 232 In article <1993Apr20.214322.8698@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: OY] Henrik (?), OY] Your ignorance manifests itself in an awkward form of intransigence. I'm not OY] going to spend time to review with you the recent history of Cyprus. > Good !! Go back to your references and read it over and over ... I wish the fascist x-Soviet Armenian government would do that. Well, if you prefer to imagine that the American, European, Jewish and Armenian scholars were trying to mislead 'Arromdians', be my guest. Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."" (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. ""In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the southern side of the lake."" Source: ""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers, Inc., New York (1952). (Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 361 (seventh paragraph) and p. 362 (first paragraph). 'The most are inside houses. Come you and look.' 'No, dammit! My stomach isn't-' 'One is a Turkish officer in uniform. Him you must see.' ""We were under those trees by the mosque, in an open space.... 'I don't believe you,"" I said, but followed to a nail-studded door. The man pushed it ajar, then spurred away, leaving me to check on the corpse. I thought I should, this charge was so constant, so gritted my teeth and went inside. The place was cool but reeked of sodden ashes, and was dark at first, for its stone walls had only window slits. Rags strewed the mud floor around an iron tripod over embers that vented their smoke through roof beams black with soot. All looked bare and empty, but in an inner room flies buzzed. As the door swung shut behind me I saw they came from a man's body lying face up, naked but for its grimy turban. He was about fifty years old by what was left of his face - a rifle butt had bashed an eye. The one left slanted, as with Tartars rather than with Turks. Any uniform once on him was gone, so I'd no proof which he was, and quickly went out, gagging at the mess of his slashed genitals."" p. 363 (first paragraph). 'How many people lived there?' 'Oh, about eight hundred.' He yawned. 'Did you see any Turk officers?' 'No, sir. I was in at dawn. All were Tartar civilians in mufti.' ""The lieutenant dozed off, then I, but in the small hours a voice woke me - Dro's. He stood in the starlight bawling out an officer. Anyone keelhauled so long and furiously I'd never heard. Then abruptly Dro broke into laughter, quick and simple as child's. Both were a cover for his sense of guilt, I thought, or hoped. For somehow, despite my boast of irreligion, Christian massacring 'infidels' was more horrible than the reverse would have been. From daybreak on, Armenian villagers poured in from miles around..... The women plundered happily, chattering like ravens as they picked over the carcass of Djul. They hauled out every hovel's chattels, the last scrap of food or cloth, and staggered away, packing pots, saddlebags, looms, even spinning-wheels. 'Thank you for a lot, Dro,' I said to him back in camp. 'But now I must leave.'...We shook hands, the captain said 'A bientot, mon camarade.' And for hours the old Molokan scout and I plodded north across parching plains. Like Lot's wife I looked back once to see smoke bathing all, doubtless in a sack of other Moslem villages up to the line of snow that was Iran.'"" p. 354. ""At morning tea, Dro and his officers spread out a map of this whole high region called the Karabakh. Deep in tactics, they spoke Russian, but I got their contempt for Allied 'neutral' zones and their distrust of promises made by tribal chiefs. A campaign shaped; more raids on Moslem villages."" p. 358. ""It will be three hours to take,"" Dro told me. We'd close in on three sides. ""The men on foot will not shoot, but use only the bayonets,"" Merrimanov said, jabbing a rifle in dumbshow. ""That is for morale,"" Dro put in. ""We must keep the Moslems in terror."" ""Soldiers or civilians?"" I asked. ""There is no difference,"" said Dro. ""All are armed, in uniform or not."" ""But the women and children?"" ""Will fly with the others as best they may."" p. 360. ""The ridges circled a wide expanse, its floors still. Hundreds of feet down, the fog held, solid as cotton flock. 'Djul lies under that,' said Dro, pointing. 'Our men also attack from the other sides.' Then, 'Whee-ee!' - his whistle lined up all at the rock edge. Bayonets clicked upon carbines. Over plunged Archo, his black haunches rippling; then followed the staff, the horde - nose to tail, bellies taking the spur. Armenia in action seemed more like a pageant than war, even though I heard our Utica brass roar. As I watched from the height, it took ages for Djul to show clear. A tsing of machine-gun fire took over from the thumping batteries; cattle lowed, dogs barked, invisible, while I ate a hunk of cheese and drank from a snow puddle. Mist at last folded upward as men shouted, at first heard faintly. The came a shrill wailing. Now among the cloud-streaks rose darker wisps - smoke. Red glimmered about house walls of stone or wattle, into dry weeds on roofs. A mosque stood in clump of trees, thick and green. Through crooked alleys on fire, horsemen were galloping after figures both mounted and on foot. 'Tartarski!' shouted the gunner by me. Others pantomimed them in escape over the rocks, while one twisted a bronze shell-nose, loaded, and yanked breech-cord, firing again and again. Shots wasted, I thought, when by afternoon I looked in vain for fallen branch or body. But these shots and the white bursts of shrapnel in the gullies drowned the women's cries. At length all shooting petered out. I got on my horse and rode down toward Djul. It burned still but little flame showed now. The way was steep and tough, through dense scrub. Finally on flatter ground I came out suddenly, through alders, on smoldering houses. Across trampled wheat my brothers-in- arms were leading off animals, several calves and a lamb."" p. 361 (fourth paragraph). ""Corpses came next, the first a pretty child with straight black hair, large eyes. She looked about twelve years old. She lay in some stubble where meal lay scattered from the sack she'd been toting. The bayonet had gone through her back, I judged, for blood around was scant. Between the breasts one clot, too small for a bullet wound, crusted her homespun dress. The next was a boy of ten or less, in rawhide jacket and knee-pants. He lay face down in the path by several huts. One arm reached out to the pewter bowl he'd carried, now upset upon its dough. Steel had jabbed just below his neck, into the spine. There were grownups, too, I saw as I led the sorrel around. Djul was empty of the living till I looked up to see beside me Dro's German-speaking colonel. He said all Tartars who had not escaped were dead."" p. 358. ""...more stories of Armenian murdering Turks when the czarist troops fled north. My hosts told me of their duty here: to keep tabs on brigands, Turkish troop shifts, hidden arms, spies - Christian, Red or Tartar - coming in from Transcaucasus. Then they spoke of the hell that would break loose if Versailles were to put, as threatened, the six 'Armenian' vilayets of Turkey under the control of Erevan... An Armenia without Armenians! Turks under Christian rule? His lips smacked in irony under the droopy red moustache. That's bloodshed - just Smyrna over again on a bigger scale."" Source: ""U.S. Library of Congress"": 'Bristol Papers' - General Correspondence Container #34. ""While the Dashnaks were in power they did everything in the world to keep the pot boiling by attacking Kurds, Turks and Tartars; by committing outrages against the Moslems; by massacring the Moslems; and robbing and destroying their homes;....During the last two years the Armenians in Russian Caucasus have shown no ability to govern themselves and especially no ability to govern or handle other races under their power."" Source: K. Gurun, ""The Armenian File,"" (London, Nicosia, Istanbul, 1985). ""Many Muslim villages have been destroyed by the soldiers of Armenian troops armed with cannons and machine guns before the eyes of our troops and the people.....According to documented information, 28 Muslim villages have been destroyed...young Muslim women have been taken to Kars and Gumru, hundreds of women and children who were able to flee their villages were beaten and killed in the mountains..."" Source: W. E. D. Allen and Paul Muratoff, ""Caucasian Battlefields,"" Cambridge University Press, 1953, p. 481. ""As the Armenians found support among the Reds (who regarded the Tartars as a counter-revolutionary elements) the fighting soon became a massacre of the Tartar population."" Source: General Bronsart wrote as follows in an article in the July 24, 1921 issue of the newspaper ""Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung:"" ""Since all the Moslems capable of bearing arms were in the Turkish Army, it was easy to organize a terrible massacre by the Armenians against defenseless people, because the Armenians were not only attacking the sides and rear of the Eastern Army paralyzed at the front by the Russians, but were attacking the Moslem folk in the region as well."" Source: Quoted by General Hamelin in a letter to the High Commissioner, February 2, 1919, in the official history, ""Les Armees Francaises au Levant,"" vol. 1, p. 122. ""They [Armenians] burned and destroyed many Turkish villages as punitive measures in their advance and practically all Turkish villages in their retreat from Marash."" Source: John Dewey, ""The Turkish Tragedy"", The New Republic, Volume 40, November 12, 1928, pp. 268-269. ""that they [Armenians] boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."" Need I go on? Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) Subject: Re: Pinch Hitters (WAS Re: Denny Walling) Article-I.D.: blue.7960 Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 20 rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) said: > >(And I thought Mota didn't really start pinch-hitting for a >living until after 1973) Depends on what you mean by ""for a living"". 1974 was the year he led the league in pinch-hit at bats with 50, but he'd been getting a lot of PH ABs earlier than that, and was never a full-time player. 20-35 PH ABs early in his career, 15-20 a year just before going to the Dodgers, and 30-50 in the peak years. We're talking about a guy with a 20-year career as an outfielder, a .300+ career batting average, and 1130 or so career hits. -- David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's) dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands ";-1;0 "From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Damn Ferigner's Be Taken Over Article-I.D.: cos.bob1.734037895 Distribution: world Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Lines: 34 In nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: >In article bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes: >>In nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: >>> Norway (where you appear to be posting from) is just such a >>> place, although it has always escaped my understanding just >>> what the appeal, to allegedly rational people, of such a >>> scheme might be. What gives King Olav V (or whoever it is >>> now - my atlas is from 1987) the right to any special legal >>> status or title based on a mere accident of birth? >> >>To begin with, it's quite inexpensive compared to here, what with our >>having six former presidents still alive, drawing pensions, expense >>accounts, and secret service protection. > Maybe so, but they were, after all, President. In the corporate > world it's SOP for retiring senior executives to be given nice > pensions, etc. The point is that they performed a service and > this is part of the compensation package. The only ""service"" > royals have to perform for their free ride is being born. We might be better off had some of our former presidents done nothing. >---peter >PS - . . . which is not to say that some of our presidents have > not provided a service for the country too dissimilar from what > occurs when a bull ""services"" a cow (for those of you familiar > with cattle breeding). > ";-1;0 "From: rob@rjck.UUCP (Robert J.C. Kyanko) Subject: Re: VGA 640x400 graphics mode Distribution: world Organization: Neptune Software Inc Lines: 26 dutc0006@student.tc.umn.edu writes in article : > > > >Some VESA bios's support this mode (0x100). And *any* VGA should be able to > >support this (640x480 by 256 colors) since it only requires 256,000 bytes. > >My 8514/a VESA TSR supports this; it's the only VESA mode by card can support > >due to 8514/a restrictions. (A WD/Paradise) > > > >-- > >I am not responsible for anything I do or say -- I'm just an opinion. > > Robert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP) > > Ahh no. Possibly you punched in the wrong numbers on your > calculator. 256 color modes take a byte per pixel so 640 time 480 is > 307,200 which is 300k to be exact. 640x400x256 only takes 250k but I > don't think it is a BIOS mode. I wouldn't bet that all VGA cards can do > that either. If a VGA card has 512k I bet it can do both 640x400 and > 640x480. That by definition is SVGA, though not very high SVGA. > Yes, I did punch in the wrong numbers (working too many late nites). I intended on stating 640x400 is 256,000 bytes. It's not in the bios, just my VESA TSR. -- I am not responsible for anything I do or say -- I'm just an opinion. Robert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP) ";-1;0 "From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno ) Subject: Re: Christianity and repeated lives Reply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 13 > ...there is nothing in Christianity that precludes the idea of > repeated lives on earth. There is a paragraph in the New Testament which in my opinion, clearly makes a positive inference to reincarnation. I don't remember which one it is off of the top of my head, but it basically goes like this: Jesus is talking with the apostles and they ask him why the pharisees say that before the messiah can come, Elijah must first come. Jesus replies that Elijah has come, but they did not recognize him. It then says that the apostles perceived that he was refering to John the Baptist. This seems to me to clearly imply reincarnation. Can anyone offer a reasonable alternative interpretation? I would be very interested to hear it. ";-1;0 "From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi) Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox? Organization: Apple Computer Lines: 15 >Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has, >if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT? That way, next time some guy comes up >to me in some parking lot and sez ""hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox >frame on there?"" I can say something besides ""duh, er, huh?"" The Yammie Deltabox and the Hawk frame are conceptually similar but Yammie has a TM on the name. The Hawk is a purer 'twin spar' frame design: investment castings at steering head and swing arm tied together with aluminum extruded beams. The Yammie solution is a bit more complex. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Godfrey DiGiorgi - ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493 AMA#489408 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati. | ""The street finds its own Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1. | uses for things."" -WG ------ Ducati Cinelli Toyota Krups Nikon Sony Apple Telebit ------ ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: PHILS, NL EAST NOT SO WEAK From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Lines: 13 That's very true. I live in Richmond, home of the AAA Richmond Braves, and they have this guy Ryan Klesko who hit 17 HR's at home last year. Now that doesn't sound like a whole lot, BUT the way the ""Diamond"" is built, Home runs are a rarity. In fact, Ron Gant, Brian Hunter and David Justice all proved they could hit in Richmond. When they were sent to the majors, they never came back. If you can hit in Richmond, you can hit anywhere. So far, after beating Scranton (Phillies) 9-0 in the first game, the best team in AAA history has been rather underwhelming. Too many expectations I guess. ";-1;0 "From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: harry and candy Article-I.D.: netcom.ericsC52qLD.6L2 Distribution: world,local Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 24 f67709907@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes: >RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes: >> i'm watching a cubs-rockies spring training game, and i thought you'd >> all like to know the particular way that harry caray butchers ""maldonado"". >> it seems to be ""mal-n-dal-nado"". >But I like the way he butchers Andres Galarraga's name. >It comes out like ""gahlah rrrraggggah"". >And don't forget his frequent references to the great SF Giant star >Bobby Bonds! What about Thaaammy Thotha? I for one was really sorry to hear that the Cubs had sent Heathcliff Slocumb to the minors! :-) ----- Eric Smith erics@netcom.com erics@infoserv.com CI$: 70262,3610 ";-1;0 "From: paull@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Robert Paull) Subject: Re: Waco dates - are these coincidental? Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 50 Richard Cower (cower@csli.stanford.edu) wrote: : : I believe this raid was ill planned because they only had 2 days to plan it, : and it was continued when failure was obvious because it had a bit part : in the much larger political agenda of President Clinton. I would even : suggest that the loss of 4 ATF agents is inconsequential in this the : context of his political agenda. It MIGHT even be beneficial to his agenda, : as it helps point up just how evil these assualt weapons are. Further proof : might be that the ATF denied their agents (Street Stories report) requests : for sufficient fire power. : : Important dates: : Feb 25th - NJ assembly votes to overturn assault weapon ban. : Feb 28th - Compound in Waco attacked. : : On Feb. 25th the New Jersey assembly voted to overturn the assault weapon : ban in that state. It looked like it might be a tight vote, but the Senate : in N.J. was going to vote to overturn the ban. It would not sit well to have : an Eastern state overturn an assault weapon ban, given Clintons stated : agenda on gun control. I suspect Clinton gave the order to get someone or : some: group with assualt weapons and have the press present (they were : initially : at the incident in Waco) to record the event for the TV audience. The agent : on ""Street Stories"" reported that a supervisor was urging them all to ""get : ready fast"", as ""they know we are coming"". I believe this attack continued, : even tho the probablility of failure was high, because it came from the top : down. After the N.J. assembly vote, the ATF had a limited amount of time to : come up with something, and the Wackos in Waco fit the bill nicely. : : ...rich I don't know Rich. Last year when the congress was debating the Bushmans 'Crime Bill', the incident at Lubys' cafe occured. Most of the anti-gun crap was amended out of the bill anyway. Could a president 'order': go find some 'assault weapons' and bring the media"". I hope not. Frankly, the Toon-meister* scares me. Of course having a Democratic majority in congress doesn't help. (Apologies to all Demos' who support RKBA) ( *definition: toon-meister - a characatureic name for the current president of the U.S.: Clinton aka, Clintoon aka Toon-meister.) Rob P. ";-1;0 "From: ds0007@medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) Subject: Re: JUDAS, CRUCIFIXION, TYRE, Etc... Nntp-Posting-Host: bass.pace.medtronic.com Organization: Medtronic, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 43 David Joslin (joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu) wrote: : af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes: : >Based on the amount of E-Mail from fellow Christians who have read the : >posts and told me I was wasting my time with Butler and Joslin, I told : >them I wasn't doing it for DB or DJ but for other Christians. They : >have told me that DB's and DJ's arguments won't convince most Bible : >studying Christians. So I have reevaluated my purpose here and it's : >also contributed to my decision. : So most Bible-studying Christians won't be convinced by my arguments? : And this is supposed to be a Good Thing, I presume? Where does this ""Most Bible studying Christians think as Frank does"" come from. And what implied ""good"" are you doing for other Christians? At least some of what you are teaching has been demonstrated as wrong. Has it ever occured to you that you may be doing more harm than good to your fellow Christians? BTW, I used to think like Frank does. I went to a fundamentalist church for a while. I didn't start to really think about what they were saying until I noticed a ""God's Science"" phamphlet there. I read it and noticed that the authors of it knew virtually nothing about Science. I asked church members some questions about ""theories"" from the phamphlet and got only deceptive answers. I began to notice a very similar style of ""answers"" for theological questions as well. The only conclusion I could reach was that these peoples' beliefs about the Bible were about as valid as their beliefs in their God's Science phamphlet. : If there are still people out there who think that my purpose here : is to ""attack the Bible,"" (an accusation Frank once made) I would point : out that I have also criticized people who have posted ""bible : contradictions"" that turn out to be silly, out of context, or easily : (and legitimately) reconciled. I'm not attacking the Bible, but : intellectual dishonesty *about* the Bible, from either side. If one of the primary purposes of Christians is to seek out truth, how can people condemn you for doing this? -- Dale Skiba ";-1;0 "From: drunen@nucleus.ps.uci.edu (Eric Van Drunen) Subject: Re: Big amateur rockets Nntp-Posting-Host: nucleus.ps.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 30 Actually, they are legal! I not familiar with the ad you are speaking of but knowing Popular Science it is probably on the fringe. However, you may be speaking of ""Public Missle, Inc."", which is a legitimate company that has been around for a while. Due to advances in composite fuels, engines are now available for model rockets using similar composites to SRB fuel, roughly 3 times more powerful than black powder motors. They are even available in a reloadable form, i.e. aluminum casing, end casings, o-rings (!). The engines range from D all the way to M in common manufacture, N and O I've heard of used at special occasions. To be a model rocket, however, the rocket can't contain any metal structural parts, amongst other requirements. I've never heard of a model rocket doing 50,000. I have heard of > 20,000 foot flights. These require FAA waivers (of course!). There are a few large national launches (LDRS, FireBALLS), at which you can see many > K sized engine flights. Actually, using a > G engine constitutes the area of ""High Power Rocketry"", which is seperate from normal model rocketry. Purchase of engines like I have been describing require membership in the National Association of Rocketry, the Tripoli Rocketry Assoc., or you have to be part of an educational institute or company involved in rocketry. Amatuer rocketry is another area. I'm not really familiar with this, but it is an area where metal parts are allowed, along with liquid fuels and what not. I don't know what kind of regulations are involved, but I'm sure they are numerous. High power rocketry is very exciting! If you are interested or have more questions, there is a newsgroup rec.model.rockets. ";-1;0 "From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 11 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net The dead giveaway is the repeated protestations that the new plan is aimed at ""criminals"", ""drug dealers"", ""terrorists"", etc. You'd think the tactic would be too obvious to trot out yet again after a decade of Sarah and the rest of the Brady Bunch using it to destroy the Second Amendment, but evidently the control nuts feel it will serve them one more time. As far as the export needs of American companies are concerned, I could almost believe that the plan to saddle the US industry with a hidden sabotaged algorithm was invented by a cabal of Japanese lobbyists. ";-1;0 "From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 In article <2528@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.002118.24102@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: >>In article <1993Apr12.184034.1370@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: > >>>IMHO, it does not really matter who started any individual battle within >>>the Arabs/Isreal war context. The real question is who/what started the >>>War. Does anyone have any doubts it was the creation of Israel on Arab >>>land ? > >> Huh? A war was started when several armies invaded Israel, >>vowing to drive the Jews into the sea. Most Jews wanted to live in >>peace, and the Arabs who stayed in Israel were granted citizenship. > >It depends entirely on how you define 'war'. The actual fighting largely >predates the Arab invasions - after all Deir Yassin happened in midApril >well before the Arab invasion. As I have said elsewhere Lt Col Lorch has >said that Hagana forces were fighting well before the Arabs invaded as in >months before. As for Jews wanting to live in peace that to is entirely >arguable. I think it is easy enough to show that the Labour party leadership >had no such intention at all. As for the Arabs who 'stayed' don't you mean >those who were not expelled? Even some of those who did 'stay' were not >granted citizenship but expelled after the fighting had stopped anyway. > >Joseph Askew > How do you define war? Do seiges and constant attacks on villiages count as acts of war, or is that only when the Jews do them? January, 1948: Arab Liberation Army attacks Kfar Szold 1000 men attack Kfar Etzion, 14 miles south of Jerusalem, after cutting off the supply lines to it. Attacks on Yehiam (Western Galilee) and kibbutz Tirat Tzvi. By Mid-March, The Jewish settlements in the Negev had been cut off from land links with the rest of the Jewish population. The Etzion group of villiages, near Hebron, had been cut off, while 42 members of a convoy trying to supply Yehiam were slaughtered, cutting off the villiage. Jerusalem was under seige, being cut off from its supply route from Tel Aviv (the bombed out supply trucks have been left on the side of that road to this day in memoriam). By this time, 1200 Jews had been killed. Of course, this isn't war, since it's only the Arabs attacking. Just like last week when the Fatah launched Katyusha rockets against Northern israel. Where does uprising end and war begin? Will it still be 'Intifadah' when the PLO brings in tanks? >-- >Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades, >jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief. >Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere, >Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on. Amir ";-1;0 "From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) Subject: Re: Accident report News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 36 In article <1992Jun25.132424.20760@prl.philips.nl>, mcardle@prl.philips.nl (Owen McArdle) writes... >In article ranck@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: >--In article <1992Jun23.214330.18592@bcrka451.bnr.ca> whitton@bnr.ca (Mark Whitton) writes: >-- >-->It turns out that the trailer lights were not hooked up >-->to the truck. >-- >--Yep, basic rule: *Never* expect or believe turn signals completely. >--Around here, and many other places, people just don't signal at all. >--And, sometimes the signals aren't working. Sometimes they get left on. > > The scary bit about this is the is the non-availability of rear- >lights at all. Now living in the Netherlands I've learned that the only >reliable indicators are those red ones which go on at both sides at once - >some people call them brake lights. Once they light up, expect ANYTHING >to occur in front of you :-). (It's not just the Dutch though) > > However I never realised how much I relied on this until I got >caught a few times behind someone whose lights didn't work AT ALL. Once >I'd sussed it out it wasn't so bad (knowing it is half the battle), but >it's a great way to find out that you've been following someone too >closely :-). Now I try to check for lights all the time, 'cos that split >second can make all the difference (though it shouldn't be necessary, I >know), > >Owen. What used to peeve me in Canada was the cars with bloody _red_ rear indicators. You'd see a single red light come on and think, ""Now, is he stopping but one brake-lamp is not working, or does he have those dumb bloody _red_ rear indicators?"" This being Survival 101, you have to assume he's braking and take the appropriate actions, until such time as the light goes out and on again, after which you can be reasonably certain it's a bloody _red_ rear indicator. Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. ivan@cvax.psi.ch GSX600F, RG250WD. SI=2.66 ""You Porsche. Me pass!"" DoD #484 ";-1;0 "From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 51 i have a question for you all related to this. jesus condemns divorce several times in the new testament, and i have a hard time with this. the catholic church (as far as i can tell) does grant annulments with the statement that the marriage never really existed in God's eyes. (please, if i am mistinterpreting, correct me.) however, i have witnessed marriages where two people were very much in love but recognized that they were destroying themselves and each other by staying in a marriage, and that the problems were due to personal childhood issues that had never been resolved. i ask you, is divorce justified in such a case? they knew who they were, what they were doing, they were deeply in love, but in the end, it did not work out. i must admit that i don't see jesus forcing them to live together, or even condemning that they go and seek happiness with someone else later on. opinions? vera ******************************************************************************* I am your CLOCK! | I bind unto myself today | Vera Noyes I am your religion! | the strong name of the | noye@midway.uchicago.edu I own you! | Trinity.... | no disclaimer -- what - Lard | - St. Patrick's Breastplate | is there to disclaim? ******************************************************************************* [This is a commonly discussed question, though it's been long enough that I'll allow it to be asked. As you might expect, there is a range of answers. Catholics and some others will say that divorce is never justified. (By the way, in situations where someone is being abused, or for other serious cause, separation is allowed by all traditions that I know. No one should be forced to stay in a situation where they are in danger.) Others see it as a last resort in situations that have fallen apart badly enough that the best we can hope for is to choose the lesser of evils. In some sense the difficult legal question turns out not to be divorce, but remarriage. That's because of Jesus' statement in Mark 10:11-12 and par. As with so many other things, this turns on your approach to the Bible. Conservative Protestants tend to see statements like this as having no exceptions. More liberal ones are willing to make allowances for situations where a literal interpretation would lead to painful results. (It is noted that at the time it was possible for a man to divorce his wife almost on a whim. Thus a common explanation in the more liberal approach is that Jesus was trying to protect people from this sort of thing, not to establish an absolute rule to which there could never be exceptions.) Catholics, as is typical with Catholic ethics, take a theoretical hard line, but allow for exceptions in practice through the process of anullment. In the last discussion most of our non-Catholic readers seemed to accept with some reluctance that in some cases there might be no good alternative, but there was a feeling that the church should often be doing a better job of helping people prepare for marriage and deal with problems that come up during it, and that in a properly run church, divorce should not be necessary. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" Lines: 40 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1993Apr15.201756.29141@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.175931.66210@cc.usu.edu> slp9k@cc.usu.edu writes: >>> (BTW - Which parts should be secure? Criminal >>> records, ie convictions, are typically considered public information, >>> so should that info be secure? Remember, the population includes >>> parents checking prospective childcare worker.) > >> Parent's checking a babysitter shouldn't need access to the information >>stored in the card. > >Sure they do. The prospective sitter may have a nasty habit of molesting >kids three or four months into the job. The references may not have >known him long enough or may not have picked up on this yet. > >Remember, criminal conviction info is public, so if you're going to >argue for an ID card, other people are going to have a strong argument >that it disclose public info. As perhaps some insight into how this sort of thing works, the local college newspaper had a big crusade to have the U.T. police release crime stats. (The school claimed that to do so would violate federal education records privacy laws). They swore up and down they weren't interested in student discipline records, only for stats so people could make an evaluation of how safe the campus was. It was barely a week after crime stats were released before the Daily Beacon had an editorial calling for student disciplinary stats to be released, because they complained certain segments of the campus population were treated administratively rather than turned over to the police and therefore the criminal states weren't accurate. What people say they want public today may not be what they say tomorrow. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" ";-1;0 "From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) Subject: Re: DC-X update??? Nntp-Posting-Host: starman.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 32 In <1993Apr15.234154.23145@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >As for the future, there is at least $5M in next years budget for work >on SSRT. They (SDIO) have been looking for more funds and do seem to have >some. However, SDIO is not (I repeat, is not) going to fund an orbital >prototype. The best we can hope from them is to 1) keep it alive for >another year, and 2) fund a suborbital vehicle which MIGHT (with >major modifications) just make orbit. There is also some money for a >set of prototype tanks and projects to answer a few more open questions. Would the sub-orbital version be suitable as-is (or ""as-will-be"") for use as a reuseable sounding rocket? >Better news comes from the new Spacelifter effort. The USAF managers of >this program are very open to SSTO and will have about $50M next >year for studies. This would be enough to bring DC-Y to PDR. Thank Ghod! I had thought that Spacelifter would definitely be the bastard Son of NLS. (And just as a reminder:) >Now not all of this money will go to DC but a good case could be made >for spending half on DC. >Public support is STILL critical. Meet with your Congressperson (I'll >help you do it) and get his/her support. Also call your local media >and get them to cover the flight tests. ";-1;0 "From: tpaquette@ita.lgc.com (Trevor Paquette) Subject: My day in court: RESULTS Nntp-Posting-Host: curly.ita.lgc.com Organization: Landmark/ITA Lines: 36 A while back I asked for help in defending a traffic ticket I received. In short: The ticket was for not stopping at a stop sign. Given the conditions I could not stop in time and decided instead of sliding right through the intersection, I would complete my right-turn and avoid a possible accident. A police cruiser happened to be approaching the intersection from my left and gave me the ticket. The officer said ""The only reason that you even slowed down in the first place was that you saw me approaching, otherwise you would have bombed right through"" I would like to thank all those who responded favorably to my request for help. To all of those who told me to bite the bullet and pay the fine: PHGHGHGHGH.. The judge sided with me and decided that in this case ""Not stopping"" was the safest thing to do and found me NOT GUILTY. The officer's statement and my account of the conditions at the time (very slippery, backed by newpaper weather conditions) were the factors what made the judge decide on his verdict. Moral: If you have never been to court before and you think you have a case, go for it. It is a very interesting process, and it is there for your benefit. Exercise your rights. Trev -- Name : Trevor Paquette | Landmark/ITA | _\___ Fahrvergnuegen Email: tpaquette@ita.lgc.com | Calgary, Alberta, Canada | / \____ Visitor from CyberSpace | (403) 269-4669 |/ G60 \ Renegade of Virtual Reality | #include |\-O------O--/ ";10;1 "From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Distribution: na Lines: 28 In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: > >For chrissakes, take out your calculator and work out the numbers. >Here... I've preformatted them for you to make it easier: > > handgun homicides/population > ---------------------------- > Switzerland : 24 / 6,350,000 > UK : 8 / 55,670,000 > >.... and then tell me again how Switzerland is safer with a more >liberal handgun law than the UK is without...by RATE or TOTAL NUMBER. >Your choice. Please, PAY ATTENTION. I, and others, were referring to TOTAL HOMICIDE DEATHS, NOT JUST HANDGUN HOMICIDES. In terms of how likely are you to be killed, (regardless of how it's done, 'cause DEAD is DEAD), the UK has a higher homicide rate. Period. You are more likely to be killed in the UK than in Switzerland. If you were to be murdered with a handgun, then yes, Switzerland has a higher rate. But, to belabor the point, you are MORE LIKELY to be murdered in the UK. In that sense, the weapon is irrelevant. The UK is more violent, period. Al [standard disclaimer] > ";-1;0 "From: lbutler@hubcap.clemson.edu (L Clator Butler Jr) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: Clemson University Lines: 11 mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >(2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the >Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so >(it would have discredited the Christians). It is told in the Gospels that the Pharisees (sp.?) and scribes bribed the Roman soldiers to say that the Diciples stole his body in the night. Good enough excuse for the Jewish and Roman objectives (of that day). --Clator --lbutler@hubcap.clemson.edu ";-1;0 "From: gwalker@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Grayson Walker) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Organization: A.S.I. n Distribution: usa Lines: 10 Why crawl under the car at all? I have a machine I got for my boat that pulls the oil out under suction through the dip stick tube. It does an excellent job and by moving the suction tube around, you can get more old oil out than by using the drain plug. I think I paid $25 at E&B Marine. The oil goes into a steel 3 gal can - wait until it cools and decant into your favorite device. I use soft drink bottles. Easy to take them down to the local oil recycle center. FORZA! ";-1;0 "From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) Subject: oxaprozin? Organization: AT&T Keywords: Daypro Lines: 7 Anyone have any information on the effects/origin of oxaprozin? It's marketed under the name ""DAYpro"", and appears to be an anti-inflammatory. Is it similar to naproxin? Stronger? TIA GMS ";-1;0 "From: jed@pollux.usc.edu (Jonathan DeMarrais) Subject: Crypto Conference Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 11 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu I need to know the following information about the upcoming Crypto Conference; The address to submit articles, and the number of copies needed. Thanks, Jonathan DeMarrais jed@pollux.usc.edu -- --- Jay jed@pollux.usc.edu (University of Southern California) What a depressingly stupid machine. Marvin ";-1;0 "From: lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. Lundby) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: accord2 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr20.173019.11903@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov> julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: > >As for how foods taste: If I'm not allergic to MSG and I like >the taste of it, why shouldn't I use it? Saying I shouldn't use >it is like saying I shouldn't eat spicy food because my neighbor >has an ulcer. > Nobody is saying that you shouldn't be allowed to use msg. Just don't force it on others. If you have food that you want to enhance with msg just put the MSG on the table like salt. It is then the option of the eater to use it. If you make a commerical product, just leave it out. You can include a packet (like some salt packets) if you desire. Salt, pepper, mustard, ketchup, pickles ..... are table options. Treat MSG the same way. I wouldn't shove my condiments down your throat, don't shove yours down mine. WFL -- Walter Lundby ";-1;0 "Subject: Space FAQ 05/15 - References From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Expires: 6 May 1993 19:56:44 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Supersedes: NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Lines: 665 Archive-name: space/references Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:21 $ REFERENCES ON SPECIFIC AREAS PUBLISHERS OF SPACE/ASTRONOMY MATERIAL Astronomical Society of the Pacific 1290 24th Avenue San Francisco, CA 94122 More expensive but better organized slide sets. Cambridge University Press 32 East 57th Street New York, NY 10022 Crawford-Peters Aeronautica P.O. Box 152528 San Diego, CA 92115 (619) 287-3933 An excellent source of all kinds of space publications. They publish a number of catalogs, including: Aviation and Space, 1945-1962 Aviation and Space, 1962-1990 Space and Related Titles European Southern Observatory Information and Photographic Service Dr R.M. West Karl Scharzschild Strasse 2 D-8046 Garching bei Munchen FRG Slide sets, posters, photographs, conference proceedings. Finley Holiday Film Corporation 12607 East Philadelphia Street Whittier, California 90601 (213)945-3325 (800)FILMS-07 Wide selection of Apollo, Shuttle, Viking, and Voyager slides at ~50 cents/slide. Call for a catalog. Hansen Planetarium (Utah) Said to hold sales on old slide sets. Look in Sky & Telescope for contact info. Lunar and Planetary Institute 3303 NASA Road One Houston, TX 77058-4399 Technical, geology-oriented slide sets, with supporting booklets. John Wiley & Sons 605 Third Avenue New York, NY 10158-0012 Sky Publishing Corporation PO Box 9111 Belmont, MA 02178-9111 Offers ""Sky Catalogue 2000.0"" on PC floppy with information (including parallax) for 45000 stars. Roger Wheate Geography Dept. University of Calgary, Alberta Canada T2N 1N4 (403)-220-4892 (403)-282-7298 (FAX) wheate@uncamult.bitnet Offers a 40-slide set called ""Mapping the Planets"" illustrating recent work in planetary cartography, comes with a booklet and information on getting your own copies of the maps. $50 Canadian, shipping included. Superintendent of Documents US Government Printing Office Washington, DC 20402 Univelt, Inc. P. O. Box 28130 San Diego, Ca. 92128 Publishers for the American Astronomical Society. US Naval Observatory 202-653-1079 (USNO Bulletin Board via modem) 202-653-1507 General Willmann-Bell P.O. Box 35025 Richmond, Virginia 23235 USA (804)-320-7016 9-5 EST M-F CAREERS IN THE SPACE INDUSTRY In 1990 the Princeton Planetary Society published the first edition of ""Space Jobs: The Guide to Careers in Space-Related Fields."" The publication was enormously successful: we distributed 2000 copies to space enthusiasts across the country and even sent a few to people in Great Britain, Australia, and Ecuador. Due to the tremendous response to the first edition, PPS has published an expanded, up-to-date second edition of the guide. The 40-page publication boasts 69 listings for summer and full-time job opportunities as well as graduate school programs. The second edition of ""Space Jobs"" features strategies for entering the space field and describes positions at consulting and engineering firms, NASA, and non-profit organizations. The expanded special section on graduate schools highlights a myriad of programs ranging from space manufacturing to space policy. Additional sections include tips on becoming an astronaut and listings of NASA Space Grant Fellowships and Consortia, as well as NASA Centers for the Commercial Development of Space. To order send check or money order made payable to Princeton Planetary Society for $4 per copy, plus $1 per copy for shipping and handling (non-US customers send an International Money Order payable in US dollars) to: Princeton Planetary Society 315 West College Princeton University Princeton, NJ 08544 DC-X SINGLE-STAGE TO ORBIT (SSTO) PROGRAM SDI's SSRT (Single Stage Rocket Technology) project has funded a suborbital technology demonstrator called DC-X that should fly in mid-1993. Further development towards an operational single-stage to orbit vehicle (called Delta Clipper) is uncertain at present. An collection of pictures and files relating to DC-X is available by anonymous FTP or email server in the directory bongo.cc.utexas.edu:pub/delta-clipper Chris W. Johnson (chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu) maintains the archive. HOW TO NAME A STAR AFTER A PERSON Official names are decided by committees of the International Astronomical Union, and are not for sale. There are purely commercial organizations which will, for a fee, send you pretty certificates and star maps describing where to find ""your"" star. These organizations have absolutely no standing in the astronomical community and the names they assign are not used by anyone else. It's also likely that you won't be able to see ""your"" star without binoculars or a telescope. See the back pages of Astronomy or other amateur astronomy publications for contact info; one such organization may be found at: International Star Registry 34523 Wilson Road Ingleside, IL 60041 This is not an endorsement of ISR. LLNL ""GREAT EXPLORATION"" The LLNL ""Great Exploration"", a plan for an on-the-cheap space station, Lunar base, and Mars mission using inflatable space structures, excited a lot of interest on the net and still comes up from time to time. Some references cited during net discussion were: Avation Week Jan 22, 1990 for an article on the overall Great Exploration NASA Assessment of the LLNL Space Exploration Proposal and LLNL Responses by Dr. Lowell Wood LLNL Doc. No. SS 90-9. Their address is: PO Box 808 Livermore, CA 94550 (the NASA authors are unknown). Briefing slides of a presentation to the NRC last December may be available. Write LLNL and ask. Conceptual Design Study for Modular Inflatable Space Structures, a final report for purchase order B098747 by ILC Dover INC. I don't know how to get this except from LLNL or ILC Dover. I don't have an address for ILC. LUNAR PROSPECTOR Lunar Exploration Inc. (LEI) is a non-profit corporation working on a privately funded lunar polar orbiter. Lunar Prospector is designed to perform a geochemical survey and search for frozen volatiles at the poles. A set of reference files describing the project is available in ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/LEI/* LUNAR SCIENCE AND ACTIVITIES Grant H Heiken, David T Vaniman, and Bevan M French (editors), ""Lunar Sourcebook, A User's Guide to the Moon"", Cambridge University Press 1991, ISBN 0-521-33444-6; hardcover; expensive. A one-volume encyclopedia of essentially everything known about the Moon, reviewing current knowledge in considerable depth, with copious references. Heavy emphasis on geology, but a lot more besides, including considerable discussion of past lunar missions and practical issues relevant to future mission design. *The* reference book for the Moon; all others are obsolete. Wendell Mendell (ed), ""Lunar Bases and Space Activities of the 21st Century"", $15. ""Every serious student of lunar bases *must* have this book"" - Bill Higgins. Available from: Lunar and Planetary Institute 3303 NASA Road One Houston, TX 77058-4399 If you want to order books, call (713)486-2172. Thomas A. Mutch, ""Geology of the Moon: A Stratigraphic View"", Princeton University Press, 1970. Information about the Lunar Orbiter missions, including maps of the coverage of the lunar nearside and farside by various Orbiters. ORBITING EARTH SATELLITE HISTORIES A list of Earth orbiting satellites (that are still in orbit) is available by anonymous FTP in: ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/Satellites SPACECRAFT MODELS ""Space in Miniature #2: Gemini"" by Michael J. Mackowski 1621 Waterwood Lane, St. Louis, MO 63146 $7.50 Only 34pp but enough pictures & diagrams to interest more than just the modelling community, I feel. Marco's Miniatures of Dracut, Mass. have produced a 1/144 Skylab in an edition of 500 & a 1/48 Lunar Rover (same scale as Monogram and Revell Lunar Modules) in a similar edition. Prices are $45 for Skylab, $24 for LRV. Check with them for postage etc. I have no connection with them, but have found their service to be good and their stock of rare/old kits *is* impressive. Prices range from reasonable ($35 for Monogram 1/32 scale Apollo CSM with cutaway details) to spectacular ($145 for Airfix Vostok). Four Star Collectibles P.O. Box 658 Dracut Mass 01826, USA. (508)-957-0695. Voyager, HST, Viking, Lunar Rover etc. kits from: Lunar Models 5120 Grisham Rowlett, Texas 75088 (214)-475-4230 As reviewed by Bob Kaplow: Peter Alway's book ""Scale Model Rocketry"" is now available. Mine arrived in the mail earlier this week. To get your own copy, send $19.95 + $2.50 s/h ($22.45 total) to: Peter Alway 2830 Pittsfield Ann Arbor, MI 48104 The book includes information on collecting scale data, construction of scale models, and several handy tables. Appendicies include plans for 3 sport scale models, a 1:9.22 D Region Tomahawk (BT50), a 1/40 V-2 (BT60), and a 1/9.16 Aerobee 150A (BT55/60). I've only begun to study the book, but it certainly will be a valuable data source for many modellers. Most vehicles include several paragraphs of text describing the missions flown by the rocket, various specs including ""NAR"" engine classification, along with a dimensioned drawing, color layouts & paint pattern, and a black & white photograph. The vehicles included are the Aerobee 150A, Aerobee 300, Aerobee Hi, Arcas, Asp, Astrobee 1500, Astrobee D, Atlas Centaur, Atlas-Agena, Atlas-Score, Baby WAC, D-Region Tomahawk, Deacon Rockoon, Delta B, Delta E, Gemini-Titan II, Iris, Javelin, Juno 1, Juno 2, Little Joe 1, Little Joe 2, Mercury-Atlas, Mercury-Redstone, Nike-Apache, Nike-Asp, Nike-Cajun, Nike-Deacon, Nike-Tomahawk, RAM B, Saturn 1 Block 1, Saturn 1 Block 2, Saturn 1B, Saturn 5, Scout, Standard Aerobee, Terrapin, Thor-Able, Titan III C, Titan III E, Trailblazer 1, V-2, Vanguard, Viking Model 1, Viking Model 2, and Wac Corporal. ROCKET PROPULSION George P. Sutton, ""Rocket Propulsion Elements"", 5th edn, Wiley-Interscience 1986, ISBN 0-471-80027-9. Pricey textbook. The best (nearly the only) modern introduction to the technical side of rocketry. A good place to start if you want to know the details. Not for the math-shy. Straight chemical rockets, essentially nothing on more advanced propulsion (although earlier editions reportedly had some coverage). Dieter K. Huzel and David H. Huang, ""Design of Liquid Propellant Rocket Engines"", NASA SP-125. NTIS N71-29405 PC A20/MF A01 1971 461p Out of print; reproductions may be obtained through the NTIS (expensive). The complete and authoritative guide to designing liquid-fuel engines. Reference #1 in most chapters of Sutton. Heavy emphasis on practical issues, what works and what doesn't, what the typical values of the fudge factors are. Stiff reading, massive detail; written for rocket engineers by rocket engineers. SPACECRAFT DESIGN Brij N. Agrawal, ""Design of Geosynchronous Spacecraft"", Prentice-Hall, ISBN 0-13-200114-4. James R. Wertz ed, ""Spacecraft Attitude Determination and Control"", Kluwer, ISBN 90-277-1204-2. P.R.K. Chetty, ""Satellite Technology and its Applications"", McGraw-Hill, ISBN 0-8306-9688-1. James R. Wertz and Wiley J. Larson (editors), ""Space Mission Analysis and Design"", Kluwer Academic Publishers (Dordrecht/Boston/London) 1991, ISBN 0-7923-0971-5 (paperback), or 0-7923-0970-7 (hardback). This looks at system-level design of a spacecraft, rather than detailed design. 23 chapters, 4 appendices, about 430 pages. It leads the reader through the mission design and system-level design of a fictitious earth-observation satellite, to illustrate the principles that it tries to convey. Warning: although the book is chock-full of many useful reference tables, some of the numbers in at least one of those tables (launch costs for various launchers) appear to be quite wrong. Can be ordered by telephone, using a credit card; Kluwer's phone number is (617)-871-6600. Cost $34.50. ESOTERIC PROPULSION SCHEMES (SOLAR SAILS, LASERS, FUSION...) This needs more and more up-to-date references, but it's a start. ANTIMATTER: ""Antiproton Annihilation Propulsion"", Robert Forward AFRPL TR-85-034 from the Air Force Rocket Propulsion Laboratory (AFRPL/XRX, Stop 24, Edwards Air Force Base, CA 93523-5000). NTIS AD-A160 734/0 PC A10/MF A01 PC => Paper copy, A10 => $US57.90 -- or maybe Price Code? MF => MicroFiche, A01 => $US13.90 Technical study on making, holding, and using antimatter for near-term (30-50 years) propulsion systems. Excellent bibliography. Forward is the best-known proponent of antimatter. This also may be available as UDR-TR-85-55 from the contractor, the University of Dayton Research Institute, and DTIC AD-A160 from the Defense Technical Information Center, Defense Logistics Agency, Cameron Station, Alexandria, VA 22304-6145. And it's also available from the NTIS, with yet another number. ""Advanced Space Propulsion Study, Antiproton and Beamed Power Propulsion"", Robert Forward AFAL TR-87-070 from the Air Force Astronautics Laboratory, DTIC #AD-A189 218. NTIS AD-A189 218/1 PC A10/MF A01 Summarizes the previous paper, goes into detail on beamed power systems including "" 1) pellet, microwave, and laser beamed power systems for intersteller transport; 2) a design for a near-relativistic laser-pushed lightsail using near-term laser technology; 3) a survey of laser thermal propulsion, tether transportation systems, antiproton annihilation propulsion, exotic applications of solar sails, and laser-pushed interstellar lightsails; 4) the status of antiproton annihilation propulsion as of 1986; and 5) the prospects for obtaining antimatter ions heavier than antiprotons."" Again, there is an extensive bibliography. ""Application of Antimatter - Electric Power to Interstellar Propulsion"", G. D. Nordley, JBIS Interstellar Studies issue of 6/90. BUSSARD RAMJETS AND RELATED METHODS: G. L. Matloff and A. J. Fennelly, ""Interstellar Applications and Limitations of Several Electrostatic/Electromagnetic Ion Collection Techniques"", JBIS 30 (1977):213-222 N. H. Langston, ""The Erosion of Interstellar Drag Screens"", JBIS 26 (1973): 481-484 C. Powell, ""Flight Dynamics of the Ram-Augmented Interstellar Rocket"", JBIS 28 (1975):553-562 A. R. Martin, ""The Effects of Drag on Relativistic Spacefight"", JBIS 25 (1972):643-652 FUSION: ""A Laser Fusion Rocket for Interplanetary Propulsion"", Roderick Hyde, LLNL report UCRL-88857. (Contact the Technical Information Dept. at Livermore) Fusion Pellet design: Fuel selection. Energy loss mechanisms. Pellet compression metrics. Thrust Chamber: Magnetic nozzle. Shielding. Tritium breeding. Thermal modeling. Fusion Driver (lasers, particle beams, etc): Heat rejection. Vehicle Summary: Mass estimates. Vehicle Performance: Interstellar travel required exhaust velocities at the limit of fusion's capability. Interplanetary missions are limited by power/weight ratio. Trajectory modeling. Typical mission profiles. References, including the 1978 report in JBIS, ""Project Daedalus"", and several on ICF and driver technology. ""Fusion as Electric Propulsion"", Robert W. Bussard, Journal of Propulsion and Power, Vol. 6, No. 5, Sept.-Oct. 1990 Fusion rocket engines are analyzed as electric propulsion systems, with propulsion thrust-power-input-power ratio (the thrust-power ""gain"" G(t)) much greater than unity. Gain values of conventional (solar, fission) electric propulsion systems are always quite small (e.g., G(t)<0.8). With these, ""high-thrust"" interplanetary flight is not possible, because system acceleration (a(t)) capabilities are always less than the local gravitational acceleration. In contrast, gain values 50-100 times higher are found for some fusion concepts, which offer ""high-thrust"" flight capability. One performance example shows a 53.3 day (34.4 powered; 18.9 coast), one-way transit time with 19% payload for a single-stage Earth/Mars vehicle. Another shows the potential for high acceleration (a(t)=0.55g(o)) flight in Earth/moon space. ""The QED Engine System: Direct Electric Fusion-Powered Systems for Aerospace Flight Propulsion"" by Robert W. Bussard, EMC2-1190-03, available from Energy/Matter Conversion Corp., 9100 A. Center Street, Manassas, VA 22110. [This is an introduction to the application of Bussard's version of the Farnsworth/Hirsch electrostatic confinement fusion technology to propulsion. 1500, kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) wrote: > > Jason Smith (jasons@atlastele.com) wrote: > Another answer is that God is the _source_ of all existence. > This sounds much better, but I am tempted to ask: Does God > Himself exist, then? If God is the source of His own existence, > it can only mean that He has, in terms of human time, always > existed. But this is not the same as the source of all existence. > This argument sounds like God does not exist, but meta-exists, > and from His meta-existent perspective, He created existence. > I think this is actually a nonsolution, a mere twist of words. Always existing and being the source of the existence of all other beings is not problematic. But, as you put, Being the source of ""all"" existence, including one's own, would mean that God came from nothing, a concept alien to Christianity and Theism. It is better to understand the classical concepts of Necessary and Contingent existence. God exists necessarily, always. God created contingent beings. This is a coherent solution to existence, so long as the concept of God is coherent. > The best answer I have heard is that human reasoning is incapable > of understanding such questions. Being an atheist myself, I do not > accept such answers, since I do not have any other methods. Not a very good answer. If reason cannot by any means understand something then it is likely that ""it"" is a null concept, something not in reality. Ted Kalivoda ";-1;0 "Subject: *** New Computer Books for Sale *** From: mparikh@uceng.uc.edu (Mehul Parikh) Distribution: usa Organization: University of Cincinnati Lines: 15 Hi! I have several computer related books for sale. They are all new, unused and hence in excellent condition. The subjects include Programming Languages (C, C++, LISP, PROLOG), Operating Systems (UNIX, DOS), Windows, X-Windows, LAN, AI, and Expert Systems. If you are interested, pls. contact me at: parikhma@ucunix.san.uc.edu Thanks. -M. Parikh ";8;1 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re:xSoviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 174 In article <2BD220B1.22816@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >>>>I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must >>>>be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of >> >>>No! NO! no no no no no. It is not justifiable to right wrongs of >>>previous years. >Well, there is a bit: such as the German reparations to the jewish >survivors of the Holocaust. Certainly, as such an event goes further >into the past, reparations become less realistic. I was convinced that no one could have a more warped sense of the world. They were 'our' grandparents who were cold-bloodedly exterminated by the Armenians between 1914 and 1920, not yours. And you can always participate in 'The Turkish Genocide Day' along with millions of Turkish and Kurdish people on April 23, 1993 in the United States and Canada. ...On this occasion, we once again reiterate the unquestioned justice of the restitution of Turkish and Kurdish rights and... - We demand that the x-Soviet Armenian Government admit its responsibility for the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, render reparations to the Muslim people, and return the land to its rightful owners. The recognition of the Genocide has become an issue which cannot be delayed further, and it is imperative that artificial obstacles created for political manipulations be removed. - We believe the time has come to demand from the the United States that it formally recognizes the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, adopts the principles of our demands and refuses to accede to Armenian pressures to the contrary. - As taxpayers of the United States, we express our vehement protest to the present U.S. Government policy of continued coddling, protection and unqualified assistance towards x-Soviet Armenia. - We also demand that the United States return to the policies advocated by U.S. Ambassador Bristol and other enlightened statesmen, who have undertaken a just, human and benevolent attitude towards the rights of the Muslim people and the just resolution of their Case. - Our territorial demands are strictly aimed at x-Soviet Armenia's. And in article <2BAC262D.25249@news.service.uci.edu>, you have blatantly lied: >The Goltz article was NOT published in the Sunday Times Magazine >on March 1, 1992, but in the Guardian Sunday Section. Well, still anxiously awaiting... CIS Commander Pulls Troops Out of Karabagh : ""Elif Kaban, a Reuter correspondent in Agdam, reported that after a battle on Wednesday, Azeris were burying scores of people who died when Armenians overran the town of Khojaly, the second-biggest Azeri settlement in the area. 'The world is turning its back on what's happening here. We are dying and you are just watching,' one mourner shouted at a group of journalists."" Helen Womack The Independent, 2/29/92 Armenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families: ""The attackers killed most of the soldiers and volunteers defending the women and children. They then turned their guns on the terrified refugees. The few survivors later described what happened: 'That's when the real slaughter began,' said Azer Hajiev, one of the three soldiers to survive. 'The Armenians just shot and shot. And they came in and started carving up people with their bayonets and knives.' A 45-year-old man who had been shot in the back said:' We were walking through the brush. Then they opened up on us and people were falling all around. My wife fell, then my child."" Thomas Goltz Sunday Times, 3/1/92 Armenian Raid Leaves Azeris Dead or Fleeing: ""...about 1,000 of Khojaly's 10,000 people were killed in Tuesdays attack. Azerbaijani television showed truckloads of corpses being evacuated from the Khocaly area."" Brian Killen (Reuters) The Washington Times, 3/2/92 Atrocity Reports Horrify Azerbaijan : ""Azeri officials who returned from the seen to this town about nine miles away brought back three dead children, the backs of their heads blown off... 'Women and children had been scalped,' said Assad Faradzev, an aide to Karabagh's Azeri governor. Azeri television showed pictures of one truckload of bodies brought to the Azeri town of Agdam, some with their faces apparently scratched with knives or their eyes gouged out."" Brian Killen (Reuters) The Washington Times, 3/3/92 Massacre By Armenians Being Reported: ""The Republic of Armenia reiterated denials that its militants had killed 1,000 [Azeris]... But dozens of bodies scattered over the area lent credence to Azerbaijani reports of a massacre."" (Reuters) The New York Times, 3/3/92 Killings Rife in Nagorno-Karabagh, Moldova: ""Journalists in the area reported seeing dozens of corpses, including some of the civilians, and Azerbaijani officials said Armenians began shooting at them when they sought to recover the bodies."" Fred Hiatt The Washington Post, 3/3/92 Bodies Mark Site of Karabagh Massacre: ""A local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijanis to collect their dead and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest. All are the bodies of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly clorhing of workers. Of the 31 we saw only one policeman and two apparent national volunteers were wearing uniform. All the rest were civilians, including eight women and three small children. Two groups, apparently families, had fallen together, the children cradled in the women's arms. Several of them, including one small girl, had terrible head injuries: only her face was left. Survivors have told how they saw Armenians shooting them point blank as they lay on the ground."" Anatol Lieven The Times (London), 3/3/92 Karabagh Survivors Flee to Mountains: ""Geyush Gassanov, the deputy mayor of Khocaly, said that Armenian troops surrounded the town after 7 pm on Tuesday. They were accompanied by six or seven light tanks and armoured carriers. 'We thought they would just bombard the village, as they had in the past, and then retreat. But they attacked, and our defence force couldn't do anything against their tanks.' Other survivors described how they had been fired on repeatedly on their way through the mountains to safety. 'For two days we crawled most of the way to avoid gunfire,' Sukru Aslanov said. His daughter was killed in the battle for Khodjaly, and his brother and son died on the road."" Anatol Lieven The Times (London), 3/3/92 Corpses Litter Hills in Karabagh: ""As we swooped low over the snow covered hills of Nagorno-Karabagh we saw the scattered corpses. Apparently, the refugees had been shot down as they ran...Suddenly there was a thump...[our Azerbaijani helicopter] had been fired on from an Armenian anti-aircraft post..."" Anatol Lieven The Times (London), 3/4/92 ""Police in western Azerbaijan said they had recovered the bodies of 120 Azerbaijanis killed as they fled an Armenian assault in the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabagh and said they were blocked from recovering more bodies."" The Wall Street Journal, 3/4/92 Exiting Troops Attacked in Nagorno-Karabagh: ""Withdrawal halted; Armenians Blamed... More video footage and reports from Khocaly paint a grim picture of widespread civilian deaths and mutilation... One woman's feet appeared to have been bound..."" Paul Quinn-Judge The Boston Globe, 3/4/92 Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 50 In article <1993Apr10.123858.25059@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: >Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote: >> Khomenei was a jerk and so were plenty of >>British ""leaders"", so what? >>THE QUR'AN is the basis of judgement. Khomenei was clearly a heretic >>by the standards of the Qur'an. End of story. >Could you be a little more specific as to exactly why Khomanei was a >heretic and a jerk as judged by the Koran. I have no liking for the >guy, but as far as I know he has done nothing contrary to the teachings >of the Koran, or at least so I'm told by several Iranian research >students that I share an office with. >It is easy and convenient for you to denounce him. But I have the >feeling that your views are not as clear cut and widely accepted as you >suggest. I have made this clear elsewhere but will do so again. Khomeini put a price on the head of someone in another country, this makes him a jerk as well as an international outlaw. Khomeini advocates the view that there was a series of twelve Islamic leaders (the Twelve Imams) who are free of error or sin. This makes him a heretic. In the Qur'an Muhammad is chastised for error directly by God; the Qur'an says that Muhammad is the greatest example of proper Islamic behavior; thus no muslim is free from error. >As usual there seems to be almost as many Islamic viewpoints as there >are Muslims. Perhaps it seems so to you, but this is hardly the case. There is widespread agreement about matters of Islam. There certainly are many viewpoints on issues which are not particularly Islamic in and of themselves, but this is so for any large group of people under the same name. >It all comes back to the Koran being so imprecise in its wording. The Qur'an is not particularly imprecise in wording, though it is true that several interpretations are possible in the interpretations of many words. However, as an entire text the Qur'an makes its meanings precise enough for intelligent people free from power lust to come to agreement about them. Gregg ";9;1 "Subject: Re: Biblical Rape From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) <1p387f$jh3@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1993Mar29.010116.18203@watson.ibm.com> <16BA0D964.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> <1993Apr01.184110.33851@watson.ibm.com> <16BA4ADAC.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> <1993Apr03.012536.18323@watson.ibm.com> <16BA6C534.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> <1993Apr04.225107.39364@watson.ibm.com> Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 154 In article <1993Apr04.225107.39364@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes: (Deletion) > >The thread ""Biblical Rape"" was initiated by David O Hunt. >Here is his posting: >In article <8feu_KO00XsF0kpc5p@andrew.cmu.edu>, David O Hunt writes: >|> I'm pretty sure I've seen biblical rules for when it's allowable to rape >|> prisoners, what the codes are about that, etc. Could some more >|> knowledgable soul than I please let me know some references? > >He asked a very narrow question, and I gave a very narrow answer. > Yes, sorry. I have got that wrong. My apology. (Deletion) >No. David Hunt's post didn't mention a god, nor did my response. >You were the first to bring up the idea of the Bible being ""given >by god"". Most Jews don't believe this in any literal sense. > So? No fun, but I must have met the minority then. And ""given by god"" refers to any action whereby a god god causes or better effects something. Rob, I am not intimate with Jewish theology, but I understand that you are a Messianic Jew. Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears that the views of Messianic Jews on metaphysics is different to that of the majority of Jews. While Jewish theology overall is quite distinct from the Christianic god views, I have heard that it is possible for Jews to attribute evil to their god, an no-no for Christians, the Bible is still seen as effect of the interaction of some god with man. (Deletion) >No. I thought we agreed that though Jews disagree, >there are a set of core beliefs that they do agree upon, >one of which is that the commandments are accessible >and written in the language of the time, and another >of which is that there must be a legal system to update them. > The context was metaphysics, even when the process of adapting the commandments is not transcendent, the justification of the process lie in metaphysic specualtion. I wonder how you break out of the shackles of having metaphysics in your system. (Deletion) >Could you explain this with respect to the original commandments >being discussed --- that is, the commandment that says if >you feel like raping a woman prisoner, you should instead >wait and marry her? What about ""the way this commandment >is given"" invalidates it? > Is is in a book that commands to commit genocide among other reprehensible deeds. The context is repulsive, and it is foul play, IMO, to invoke some relatively enlightened passages as an example for the content of the whole book. (Big deletion) >|> >|> The point is that I see that there is a necessary connection >|> between the theology you use and the interpretation of the Bible. >|> > >Only very loosely. My interpretation of the Bible is >based on a long tradition of Jewish scholars interpreting >the Bible. Theology doesn't really enter into it --- >there are Jewish atheists who interpret the laws of >charity essentially the same way I do. > No, not the interpretation of some laws, but the interpretation of the bible. As in the example that Sodom and Gomorrha mean argue with god. The whole idea that it is metaphorically and yet allows you to argue with a god (whatever that means, that alone is a theo- logic question) is proof of a theology used. >|> >You pose another metaphysical riddle! >|> >|> No, you do. >|> > >Well, you wrote this: >|> Fine. So we have some major spirit with neither absolute power >|> nor absolute knowledge. And, as it appears, limited means or will >|> to communicate with us. Some form of spiritual big friend. >|> Do you admit that using god in this context is somewhat unusual? >|> >|> Am I right in the assumption that it cannot have created the >|> universe as well? And that the passages in the Bible referring >|> to that or its omnipotence are crap? > >That's what I meant by the ""riddle"". > It is an important question in the light of what for instance the passage witrh Sodom and Gomorrha means. Either there is some connection between the text, the fact that it exists, and your interpretation of it, or it is purely arbitrary.. Further, the question is why is has one to carry the burden of Biblical texts when one could simply write other books that convey the message better. You might answer that one can't becuase some peculiar Biblical information might be lost, but that holds true of every other book, and the question remains why has the Bible still a special place? Can't it be replaced somehow? Is it ok to bargain the dangerous content of the Bible against some other message that is included as well? (Deletion) >|> Do you see the danger in doing so? Especially with the metaphers used >|> in the Bible? > >I think the danger of doing so is less than either the >danger of having a frozen system of laws, or having no laws. > Sorry, but there are worse systems does not say anything about if one could not have a better system. (Deletion) >If we >read two stories about the importance of helping the poor, >and in one God is a spirit, and in the other God has a body, >which is more important, helping the poor, or resolving >the contradiction about the corporeal nature of God? > If we read two stories in the Bible, one that god commands people to kill children for being idolaters and another where god kills children directly, what is more important to resolve, the message that children are to be killed or if it has to be done by god? And the argument you have given is a fallacy, while it may not be important in the context you have given to find out if god is corporeal or not, it can be crucial in other questions. Religious believers resolve contradictions with that they choose one of the possibilities given in an arbitrary way, and have the advantage of being able to attribute their decision to some god. One cannot resolve questions by the statement do what is good when what is good depends on the question. Benedikt ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Nazi Armenian Philosophy: Race above everything and before everything. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 155 In article <1993Apr19.234534.18368@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: > Buch of CRAP and you know it. Nagarno-Karabagh has ALWAYS been PART > of ARMENIA and it was STALIN who GAVE IT to the AZERIS. Go back and > review the HISTORY. If a 'dog's prayers were answered, bones would rain from the sky. Did you know that the word 'Karabag' itself is a 'Turkish' name? Before 1827, before the Russians and their 'zavalli kole' Armenians, drove all the Turks/Muslims out, it was a Turkish majority town. Well, anyway, it is not surprising that Armenians also collaborated with the Nazis. ""Wholly opportunistic the Dashnaktzoutun have been variously pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish, as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and anti-Soviet - whichever was expedient.""[1] [1] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), 'Cairo to Damascus,' Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1951, p. 438. As a dear friend put it, the Tzeghagrons (Armenian Racial Patriots) was the youth organization of the Dashnaktzoutun. It was based in Boston (where ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle is located) but had followers in Armenian colonies all over the world. Literally Tzeghagron means 'to make a religion of one's race.' The architect of the Armenian Racial Patriots was Garegin Nezhdeh, a Nazi Armenian who became a key leader of collaboration with Hitler in World War II. In 1933, he had been invited to the United States by the Central Committee of the Dashnaktzoutun to inspire and organize the American-Armenian youth. Nezhdeh succeeded in unifying many local Armenian youth groups in the Tzeghagrons. Starting with 20 chapters in the initial year, the Tzeghagrons grew to 60 chapters and became the largest and most powerful Nazi Armenian organization. Nezhdeh also provided the Tzeghagrons with a philosophy: ""The Racial Religious beliefs in his racial blood as a deity. Race above everything and before everything. Race comes first.""[1] [1] Quoted in John Roy Carlson (real name Arthur Derounian), ""The Armenian Displaced Persons,"" in 'Armenian Affairs,' Winter, 1949-50, p. 19, footnote. Now wait, there is more. THE GRUESOME extent of February's killings of Azeris by Armenians in the town of Hojali is at last emerging in Azerbaijan - about 600 men, women and children dead in the worst outrage of the four-year war over Nagorny Karabakh. The figure is drawn from Azeri investigators, Hojali officials and casualty lists published in the Baku press. Diplomats and aid workers say the death toll is in line with their own estimates. The 25 February attack on Hojali by Armenian forces was one of the last moves in their four-year campaign to take full control of Nagorny Karabakh, the subject of a new round of negotiations in Rome on Monday. The bloodshed was something between a fighting retreat and a massacre, but investigators say that most of the dead were civilians. The awful number of people killed was first suppressed by the fearful former Communist government in Baku. Later it was blurred by Armenian denials and grief-stricken Azerbaijan's wild and contradictory allegations of up to 2,000 dead. The State Prosecuter, Aydin Rasulov, the cheif investigator of a 15-man team looking into what Azerbaijan calls the ""Hojali Disaster"", said his figure of 600 people dead was a minimum on preliminary findings. A similar estimate was given by Elman Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali. An even higher one was printed in the Baku newspaper Ordu in May - 479 dead people named and more than 200 bodies reported unidentified. This figure of nearly 700 dead is quoted as official by Leila Yunusova, the new spokeswoman of the Azeri Ministry of Defence. FranCois Zen Ruffinen, head of delegation of the International Red Cross in Baku, said the Muslim imam of the nearby city of Agdam had reported a figure of 580 bodies received at his mosque from Hojali, most of them civilians. ""We did not count the bodies. But the figure seems reasonable. It is no fantasy,"" Mr Zen Ruffinen said. ""We have some idea since we gave the body bags and products to wash the dead."" Mr Rasulov endeavours to give an unemotional estimate of the number of dead in the massacre. ""Don't get worked up. It will take several months to get a final figure,"" the 43-year-old lawyer said at his small office. Mr Rasulov knows about these things. It took him two years to reach a firm conclusion that 131 people were killed and 714 wounded when Soviet troops and tanks crushed a nationalist uprising in Baku in January 1990. Those nationalists, the Popular Front, finally came to power three weeks ago and are applying pressure to find out exactly what happened when Hojali, an Azeri town which lies about 70 miles from the border with Armenia, fell to the Armenians. Officially, 184 people have so far been certified as dead, being the number of people that could be medically examined by the republic's forensic department. ""This is just a small percentage of the dead,"" said Rafiq Youssifov, the republic's chief forensic scientist. ""They were the only bodies brought to us. Remember the chaos and the fact that we are Muslims and have to wash and bury our dead within 24 hours."" Of these 184 people, 51 were women, and 13 were children under 14 years old. Gunshots killed 151 people, shrapnel killed 20 and axes or blunt instruments killed 10. Exposure in the highland snows killed the last three. Thirty-three people showed signs of deliberate mutilation, including ears, noses, breasts or penises cut off and eyes gouged out, according to Professor Youssifov's report. Those 184 bodies examined were less than a third of those believed to have been killed, Mr Rasulov said. Files from Mr Rasulov's investigative commission are still disorganised - lists of 44 Azeri militiamen are dead here, six policemen there, and in handwriting of a mosque attendant, the names of 111 corpses brought to be washed in just one day. The most heartbreaking account from 850 witnesses interviewed so far comes from Towfiq Manafov, an Azeri investigator who took a helicopter flight over the escape route from Hojali on 27 February. ""There were too many bodies of dead and wounded on the ground to count properly: 470-500 in Hojali, 650-700 people by the stream and the road and 85-100 visible around Nakhchivanik village,"" Mr Manafov wrote in a statement countersigned by the helicopter pilot. ""People waved up to us for help. We saw three dead children and one two-year-old alive by one dead woman. The live one was pulling at her arm for the mother to get up. We tried to land but Armenians started a barrage against our helicopter and we had to return."" There has been no consolidation of the lists and figures in circulation because of the political upheavals of the last few months and the fact that nobody knows exactly who was in Hojali at the time - many inhabitants were displaced from other villages taken over by Armenian forces. THE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/'92 Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Davidians and compassion Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 26 So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire on their house, killing most of the people inside. I'm not that annoyed about the adults, they knew supposedly what they were doing, and it's their own actions. What I mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside, including mothers, let the children suffer and die during awful conditions. If this is considered religious following to the end, I'm proud that I don't follow such fanatical and non-compassionate religions. You might want to die for whatever purpose, but please spare the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all. I have a hard time just now understanding that Christianity knows about the word compassion. Christians, do you think the actions today would produce a good picture of your religion? Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: jeh@cmkrnl.com Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes: > I'm considering modernizing some old wiring in my home, and > I need a little advice on outlet wiring. Several outlets > are the old 'two prong' type, without the ground. Naturally, > the wire feeding these outlets is 12/2, WITHOUT the ground > wire. I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the > 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground > wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire. > > SO.. Here's my question. It seems to me that I'd have the > same electrical circuit if I hooked the jumper from the neutral > over to the ground screw on new 'three prong' grounding outlets. > What's wrong with my reasoning here? No. No. NOOO!!! The ground (green) wire is for safety. No current is supposed to flow in it under normal conditions. This means that there's normally no voltage drop in it either. It is supposed to be safe to touch the ground wire... even if you're grounded in some other way at the same time. The neutral (white) wire is, as Dave Vanderbyl correctly said, the return for the hot wire. Since current flows in it, there's a voltage drop. If you plug a heavy load into a properly-wired grounded outlet, you can commonly measure a volt or so of difference between neutral and ground. They are supposed to be connected together at the breaker panel... but nowhere, repeat NOwhere, else. (Well, almost. There are strange exceptions for things like sub-panels.) What you CAN do if you want three-prong outlets without additional wiring is to use a GFCI outlet (or breaker, but the outlet will be cheaper). In fact, depending on where you are putting your new outlet(s), a GFCI may be *required*. There is a FAQ on electrical wiring, posted regularly to rec.woodworking and news.answers. It goes into great detail on these issues (including GFCIs) and you should probably read it before asking any more questions. I'll mail a copy to you, append a copy here, and will ask the writers to cross-post it here in the future. --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh CIS: 74140,2055 ";-1;0 "From: coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman) Subject: Re: Playoff Predictions Organization: University of Saskatchewan Lines: 28 Distribution: world Reply-To: coulman@cs.Usask.CA NNTP-Posting-Host: skorpio.usask.ca In article <1993Apr04.223559.7129@rose.com>, jack.petrilli@rose.com (jack petrilli) writes: [... stuff deleted ...] > >I don't understand why so many people are predicting an upset against >Pittsburgh. The team has won 12 in a row coming into the playoffs. >They've won practically every game that they've really wanted to win >all year (including critical victories against the Caps and one >against a hot Bruins team **at the Gaahden**). The team is probably at >its peak (stronger than the previous 2 Stanley Cup winners). I mean, I >know they can lose but it would be a **large** upset. I personally >think teams are going to be hard pressed to win 1 or 2 games in any >series against the Pens (and I'm **not** a Pittsburgh fan). > I have to agree here. As I heard on TSN tonight, ""You want to pick someone else, but you just don't see how you can"". And I'm a Bruins fan. Maybe this year will be different, but it doesn't look good. Time will tell, though. [... lots more deleted ...] Randy -- Randy A. Coulman, M.Sc. | ARIES Laboratory Research Assistant | Department of Computational Science | University of Saskatchewan coulman@cs.Usask.ca | Saskatoon, SK S7N 0W0 ";-1;0 "From: pjaques@camborne-school-of-mines.ac.UK (Paul Jaques) Subject: Problem with dni and OW 3.0 Organization: The Internet Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Can anybody help me? I am having a problem displaying images greater than 32768 bytes on a Sparc IPC running Openwindows 3.0 and dni. My program runs on a Vax and displays images on the IPC with no problems if I use Openwindows 2.0. The program uses the following lines to display the image - it is the XPutImage() routine that crashes. XImage *ximage; ximage = XCreateImage(myDisplay, DefaultVisual(myDisplay, myScreen), ddepth, ZPixmap, 0, image, xwid, ywid, 8, 0); XPutImage(myDisplay, myWindow, myGC, ximage, 0, 0, xpos, ypos, xwid, ywid); The error I get is:- XIO: fatal IO error 65535 on X server ""galaxy::0.0"" after 30 requests (18 known processed) with 0 events remaining. %XLIB-F-IOERROR, xlib io error -SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC 000773B9 000773B9 00077BBE 00077BBE 0007259D 0007259D 00072741 00072741 00072840 00072840 00072A27 00072A27 MYXSUBS my_imtoiks 3184 00000093 000010AF TEST main 293 000000E5 00000EE5 I have a simple test program if anyone would like to test it !! Thanks Paul. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Paul Jaques | | Systems Engineer, Camborne School of Mines, | | Rosemanowes, Herniss, Penryn, Cornwall. | | E-Mail: pjaques@csm.ac.uk Tel: Stithians (0209) 860141 Fax: (0209) 861013 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: swick@news.Colorado.EDU (Ross Swick) Subject: Books on I.C.C other than I.C.C.M. Nntp-Posting-Host: nsidc2.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: cu Lines: 21 Can anyone recomend a good book or article on inter-client communications BESIDES I.C.C.M.? I've looked everywhere I can and it seems everyone tells you how to do it but nobody SHOWS you how. O'Reilly has no examples, ICCM has no examples, Asente & Swick give no examples - in fact most of the books I've looked at, if they discuss ICC at all, simply give a condensed version of the ICCM and then refer you to the ICCM. I did find one example of how to use Atoms and Properties in Young's book and five hours after I bought Young's book I had my applications talking to each other. I am not sure, however, if thats the best way. I'd like to stay independent of Unix so pipes and/or sockets probably aren't the way to go. But within X one can also use messages, the clipboard, and perhaps window groups. I need a text that discusses the various methods, discusses which method is best for which purpose, and gives examples. Without examples it's all just words. Thanks in advance Ross ";-1;0 "From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 48 In article johnsd2@rpi.edu writes: >In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: > >> Drugs are a replacement for Christ. >>Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must >>do something to ease the pain. > >I have heard this claim quite a few times. Does anybody here know >who first came up with the ""God-shaped hole"" business? > >> This is why the most effective >>substance-abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples' spiritual >>needs. > >You might want to provide some evidence next time you make a claim >like this. > In 12-step programs (like Alcoholics Anonymous), one of the steps involves acknowleding a ""higher power"". AA and other 12-step abuse- recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective. Unfortunately, as evidence for God, this can be dismissed by stating that the same defect of personality makes substance abusers as makes people 'religious', and the debunker could perhaps acknowledge that being religious is a better crutch than being a drug addict, but still maintain that both are escapism. (And I suspect that there are some atheists who would find the substance abuse preferable to Christianity.) I think that an essential problem with communication between Christ- ians and atheists is that as Christians we necessarily see ourselves as incomplete, and needing God (the 'God-shaped hole'), while atheists necessarily see themselves as self-sufficient. If the atheists are right, Christians are guilty of being morally weak, and too cowardly to stand up for themselves; if the Christians are right, the atheists are guilty of considerable arrogance. (I use the term atheist to refer to a person who has a definite conviction that there is no God, as opposed to one who does not know and/or does not care about God.) == Seanna Watson Bell-Northern Research, | Pray that at the end of living, (seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | Of philosophies and creeds, | God will find his people busy Opinion, what opinions? Oh *these* opinions. | Planting trees and sowing seeds. No, they're not BNR's, they're mine. | I knew I'd left them somewhere. | --Fred Kaan (let's see...I spelled 'sowing' right; I got the author's name right--maybe my 3rd iteration .sig will be a keeper.) ";-1;0 "From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) Subject: We're winning the war on drugs. Not! Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater Keywords: drugs DEA WOD legalization Lines: 140 The DEA and other organizations would have the American people believe that we are winning the ""war on drugs"". I'm going to dispel the propaganda that the DEA is putting out by showing you the drug war's *real* status. To help prove my assertions I've also posted two articles from USA Today that clearly demonstrate that drug use among certain age groups *is* on the rise. If WOD is working, as we're led to believe, then drug abuse should have gone down substantially by now. The reality is, is that it has not gone down very much. If anything, substance abuse is on the rise. I'm also going to supply a possible solution to this problem. The following text is an excerpt from an article about rock music and pot entitled ""Hello Again, Mary Jane"" which appears in the current issue of Time magazine (April 19, 1993, p. 59). Law-enforcement officials say pot advocates are just blowing smoke when they talk about the comeback of the weed. ""Perhaps because of the change of administrations, the marijuana lobby is out in full force,"" says Robert Bonner, head of the Drug Enforcement Administration. ""The fact is, they're losing the battle."" In 1985 more than 23% of youths ages 12 to 17 said they smoked marijuana; in 1991 that figure was 13%, and Bonner says it is still falling. Bonner also offers a reminder that studies confirm such marijuana health risks as destruction of nerve cells in the brain and lung damage. The chart that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14, 1993 issue of USA Today (""Drug Use Up Among U.S. Eigth-graders"" by Mike Snider, p. 6D). Adolescents' choices Drugs used by eighth graders in the last month: Estimated, per 100 students 1991 1992 Pct. chg. Alcohol 25.1 26.1 +4% Cigarettes 14.3 15.5 +8% Marijuana 3.2 3.7 +16% Amphetamines 2.6 3.3 +27% LSD 0.6 0.9 +50% Cocaine 0.5 0.7 +40% Crack 0.3 0.5 +67% Source: University of Michigan Institute for Social Research, 1993 report We are not winning the ""war on drugs"". I think you can see that one of the tactics that the DEA employs to give people the impression that the ""war on drugs"" is being won is to selectively quote statistics--- only statistics that support their contention that drug use has gone down. The excerpt from Time magazine that I included in this post is an excellent example of how organizations like the DEA attempt to deceive the public. Usage of *one* particular drug may have gone down but at the same time usage of other drugs may have gone *up* (a.k.a. substitution). Also, drug usage among *one* particular age group may have gone down but drug usage among another age group may have gone *up*. Therefore, if one takes a look at the big picture, taking into consideration *all* the statistics, then it's obvious that the so-called ""war on drugs"" is being lost. Perhaps the drug war is being won as far as illegal drugs go, but if one factors in alcohol abuse, smoking, and use of inhalants, then the magnitude of the drug problem in this country can then placed in its true perspective. For those of you who don't consider alcohol to be a drug then try drinking a fifth of whiskey sometime and then come back and tell me that it's not a drug. Agencies like the DEA only go after *illegal* drugs. This is one of the reasons why the drug war is a fruitless attempt at preventing substance abuse---people will merely switch to another drug if the one they were using becomes scarce or unpopular. The solution to the drug abuse problem in this country may be to legalize some---not all---drugs whose toxicity has been shown to be within reasonable limits (you won't drop dead after using it a few times) and then couple this with a massive drug education program. The reason why I think legalization is *part* of the solution is because people seem to be able to easily obtain drugs despite the government's efforts to the contrary---the money spent on drug interdiction could be spent more effectively elsewhere (e.g., drug education). Additionally, legalization would reduce crime because the profit motive would be taken out of drug trafficking which often goes along with other kinds of crime. Not to mention the fact that addicts would have less reason to prey on innocent people for their money and posessions in order to support their expensive habit; legalization would cause the street price of drugs to fall substantially so drugs would be much more affordable to addicts. IMHO, the way to reduce substance abuse is to do to drugs what has been done to smokers: make drug use socially unacceptable rather than try to employ heavy-handed law enforcement and punish people by incarcerating them. As you already know, people in the U.S. smoke a lot less than they used to. This reduction in the number of smokers has been brought about by public awareness campaigns, laws restricting where people can light up, warning labels on cigarette packages, taxation on tobacco in order to reduce consumption, and so on. I propose that similar methods be used to reduce substance abuse after legalization has been carried out. They are as follows: * Drugs being sold must come with clear, concise information which states the possible health hazzards involved with using this product and recommendations on how the drug should be used. Things like dosage levels and how long the drug should be used ought to accompany the packaging the drug is contained in. * All drugs should be taxed at a rate that generates a lot of revenue but not so high as to encourage people to acquire drugs through illegal channels. Part of the revenue collected from drug taxes should be used to fund drug education and law enforcement. * Make it a felony to sell drugs to minors (people under the age of 18). Anyone can sell drugs but they must not dodge paying the taxes on drugs or sell drugs with the warning information absent. Failure to pay the appropiate taxes on drugs or omitting warning information should also be a felony. * Establish a government agency whose job is to insure that the purity and safety of all drugs is as high as possible. This agency would try to prevent people from getting a hold of bad drugs---something that is a fairly serious problem now. I'm sure that many of the things I've discussed in this article have been hashed out before in this newsgroup. Nevertheless, I thought it was a good idea to give my two cents (actually a buck and a half...) all at once so you could get a good idea of where I currently stand on WOD. Go ahead and tear into my post; I'm sure there is something in it that you may wish to take a different view on or flame. :) :) :) BTW, I posted the articles from USA Today to not only help prove my assertions but also to provide information on LSD usage among youths--- something which I noticed some posters to this group were interested in. Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot Before: ""David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the Bible through the barrel of a gun..."" --ATF spokesman After: ""[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..."" --Me ";-1;0 "From: rickc@krill.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) Subject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. Nntp-Posting-Host: krill.corp.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 32 In article , ada41546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Driftwood) writes: |> |> I totally agree with each point you made. Jose Viscaino looked |> like a single A hitter up there. Who swings on 3-1 count with Maddux |> pitching and your teams down by a run, and you haven't touched the ball |> all |> day. I also think too much is made of that lefty-righty thing. |> Watching |> the Cubs games I get the feeling Steve Stone knows a lot more about |> what |> the Cubs should be doing than Lefebre does. Harry said it best when he |> stated after another terrible Vizcaino at bat-- we can't wait til |> Sandberg returns! I tell you, Steve Stone is like a prophet. He must be making a ton in the boradcoast booth because I can't understand why he's not actually back in the game itself. The other day he called Sosa's homerun against the Sox and claimed the game would be going into extra innings when the score was 8-3 in the 5th. So yesterday he notices that Sosa's ahead in the count against Maddux and says, ""This is a fastball situation and Sosa will be looking for it. But this is also the spot where Maddux throws the straight change."" Sure enough. Sosa gets ahead on it and pops it up to the infield. Stoney for Cubs manager! -Rick ";-1;0 "From: wrl@pmafire.inel.gov (William Lechner) Subject: Trivia Question!! Distribution: usa Organization: WINCO Lines: 19 Ok all you trivia buffs, I have a good one for you. 1. Prior to the foul bunt rule what is the record for the most foul balls by 1 batter during one at bat? 2. Total pitches? 3. Who was the batter? 4. Who was the pitcher? 5. Same as 1-4 except after the foul bunt rule. Associated data would be nice too (such as date, location, teams, etc.) Bill wrl@pmafire.inel.gov ";-1;0 "From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 29 : henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: : >There is an emergency oxygen system that is capable of maintaining a : >breathable atmosphere in the cabin for long enough to come down, even : >if there is something like a 5cm hole in the wall that nobody tries : >to plug. Josh Hopkins (jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) replied: : Wow. : Double wow. Can you land a shuttle with a 5cm hole in the wall? Personnally, I don't know, but I'd like to try it sometime. Programmatically, yes, we can land an Orbiter with a 5 cm hole in the wall -- provided that the thing which caused 5 cm hole didn't cause a Crit 1 failure on some of the internal systems. There are a few places where a 5 cm hole would cause a Bad Day -- especially if the 5 cm hole went all the way through the Orbiter and out the other side, as could easily happen with a meteor strike. But a hole in the pressure vessel would cause us to immediately de-orbit to the next available landing site. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 ""NASA turns dreams into realities and makes science fiction into fact"" -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator ";-1;0 "From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Summary: Continental the first - Don't think so! Distribution: na Lines: 30 In article , callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: | In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: | >In article <1q4466INNb85@ctron-news.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes: | >> | >>It's a big aftermarket business. Almost no cars come from the factory with | >>vynal any more, and any fake ""convertible"" job _definitely_ came from some | >>aftermarket place. What amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for | >>bad taste | > | >How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the | >trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars? | | Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit, | named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I | personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit | (and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful | cars ever built, IMHO. | | James | The Continental may have been the first ""modern era"" auto to mount the spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one. Various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common in early automobiles, both US and Foreign. -- Ken Franklin They say there's a heaven for people who wait AMA And some say it's better but I say it ain't GWRRA I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints DoD #0126 The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young ";-1;0 "From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: DC-X update??? Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 25 In article schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes: >Would the sub-orbital version be suitable as-is (or ""as-will-be"") for use >as a reuseable sounding rocket? DC-X as is today isn't suitable for this. However, the followon SDIO funds will. A reusable sounding rocket was always SDIO's goal. >Thank Ghod! I had thought that Spacelifter would definitely be the >bastard Son of NLS. So did I. There is a lot going on now and some reports are due soon which should be very favorable. The insiders have been very bush briefing the right people and it is now paying off. However, public support is STILL critical. In politics you need to keep constant pressure on elected officials. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------57 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson) Subject: Re: Automotive crash test, performance and maintenance stats? Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation Distribution: usa Lines: 23 < In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: >>The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of >>a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving >>the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the >>most likely explanation for events. >You forgot the smiley-face. >I can't believe this is what they turn out at Berkeley. Tell me >you're an aberration. >-- >Steve Dyer >dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer HEY, KEEP YOUR FU---NG FLAMING OUT OF THIS GROUP- THAT GOES FOR YOU, MR. DYER, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER NASTY, SARCASTIC PEOPLE, REGARDING THIS SUBJECT. Shoot, now I'm all riled up, too, and I was just going to ask if we can keep our discussion about MSG a little more civil; blasting a school or an idea through simple insults as demonstrated above is not necessary, and otherwise out of line. If you want to continue your insult war, take it elsewhere and stop wasting everyone else's time. Most sincerely, Dan Checkman ";-1;0 "From: Danny Weitzner Subject: Re-inventing Crypto Policy? An EFF Statement X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:47:01 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: harding.eff.org Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 122 April 16, 1993 INITIAL EFF ANALYSIS OF CLINTON PRIVACY AND SECURITY PROPOSAL The Clinton Administration today made a major announcement on cryptography policy which will effect the privacy and security of millions of Americans. The first part of the plan is to begin a comprehensive inquiry into major communications privacy issues such as export controls which have effectively denied most people easy access to robust encryption, and law enforcement issues posed by new technology. However, EFF is very concerned that the Administration has already reached a conclusion on one critical part of the inquiry, before any public comment or discussion has been allowed. Apparently, the Administration is going to use its leverage to get all telephone equipment vendors to adopt a voice encryption standard developed by the National Security Agency. The so-called ""Clipper Chip"" is an 80-bit, split key escrowed encryption scheme which will be built into chips manufactured by a military contractor. Two separate escrow agents would store users' keys, and be required to turn them over law enforcement upon presentation of a valid warrant. The encryption scheme used is to be classified, but the chips will be available to any manufacturer for incorporation into its communications products. This proposal raises a number of serious concerns . First, the Administration has adopted a solution before conducting an inquiry. The NSA-developed Clipper Chip may not be the most secure product. Other vendors or developers may have better schemes. Furthermore, we should not rely on the government as the sole source for the Clipper or any other chips. Rather, independent chip manufacturers should be able to produce chipsets based on open standards. Second, an algorithm cannot be trusted unless it can be tested. Yet, the Administration proposes to keep the chip algorithm classified. EFF believes that any standard adopted ought to be public and open. The public will only have confidence in the security of a standard that is open to independent, expert scrutiny. Third, while the use of the use of a split-key, dual escrowed system may prove to be a reasonable balance between privacy and law enforcement needs, the details of this scheme must be explored publicly before it is adopted. What will give people confidence in the safety of their keys? Does disclosure of keys to a third party waive an individual's Fifth Amendment rights in subsequent criminal inquiries? These are but a few of the many questions the Administrations proposal raised but fails to answer. In sum, the Administration has shown great sensitivity to the importance of these issues by planning a comprehensive inquiry into digital privacy and security. However, the ""Clipper Chip"" solution ought to be considered as part of the inquiry, and not be adopted before the discussion even begins. DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL: ESCROW The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom hold 40-bits of each key. The manufacturer of the communications device would be required to register all keys with the two independent escrow agents. A key is tied to the device, however, not the person using it. Upon presentation of a valid court order, the two escrow agents would have to turn the key parts over to law enforcement agents. According to the Presidential Directive just issued, the Attorney General will be asked to identify appropriate escrow agents. Some in the Administration have suggested that one non-law enforcement federal agency (perhaps the Federal Reserve), and one non-governmental organization could be chosen, but there is no agreement on the identity of the agents yet. CLASSIFIED ALGORITHM AND THE POSSIBILITY OF BACK DOORS The Administration claims that there are no back doors -- means by which the government or others could break the code without securing keys from the escrow agents -- and that the President will be told there are no back doors to this classified algorithm. In order to prove this, Administration sources are interested in arranging for an all-star crypto cracker team to come in, under a security arrangement, and examine the algorithm for trap doors. The results of the investigation would then be made public. The Clipper Chipset was designed and is being produced and a sole-source, secret contract between the National Security Agency and two private firms: VLSI and Mycotronx. NSA work on this plan has been underway for about four years. The manufacturing contract was let 14 months ago. GOVERNMENT AS MARKET DRIVER In order to get a market moving, and to show that the government believes in the security of this system, the feds will be the first big customers for this product. Users will include the FBI, Secret Service, VP Al Gore, and maybe even the President. At today's Commerce Department press briefing, a number of people asked this question, though: why would any private organization or individual adopt a classified standard that had no independent guaranty of security or freedom from trap doors? COMPREHENSIVE POLICY INQUIRY The Administration has also announced that it is about to commence an inquiry into all policy issues related to privacy protection, encryption, and law enforcement. The items to be considered include: export controls on encryption technology and the FBI's Digital Telephony Proposal. It appears that the this inquiry will be conducted by the National Security Council. Unfortunately, however, the Presidential Directive describing the inquiry is classified. Some public involvement in the process has been promised, but they terms have yet to be specified. FROM MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: Jerry Berman, Executive Director (jberman@eff.org) Daniel J. Weitzner, Senior Staff Counsel (djw@eff.org) Full text of the Press releases and Fact Sheets issued by the Administration will be available on EFF's ftp site. Danny Weitzner Senior Staff Counsel, EFF +1 202 544 3077 ";-1;0 "From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Lindbergh and the moon (was:Why not give $1G) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes: >cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook) writes: >> All of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year >> moon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace >>development before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of >> Saint Louis venture to his financial backers. >> But I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to >> realize that much more was at stake than $25,000. >> Could it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of >> today? > The commercial uses of a transportation system between already-settled- >and-civilized areas are obvious. Spaceflight is NOT in this position. >The correct analogy is not with aviation of the '30's, but the long >transocean voyages of the Age of Discovery. Lindbergh's flight took place in '27, not the thirties. >It didn't require gov't to >fund these as long as something was known about the potential for profit >at the destination. In practice, some were gov't funded, some were private. Could you give examples of privately funded ones? >But there was no way that any wise investor would spend a large amount >of money on a very risky investment with no idea of the possible payoff. Your logic certainly applies to standard investment strategies. However, the concept of a prize for a difficult goal is done for different reasons, I suspect. I'm not aware that Mr Orteig received any significant economic benefit from Lindbergh's flight. Modern analogies, such as the prize for a human powered helicopter face similar arguments. There is little economic benefit in such a thing. The advantage comes in the new approaches developed and the fact that a prize will frequently generate far more work than the equivalent amount of direct investment would. A person who puts up $ X billion for a moon base is much more likely to do it because they want to see it done than because they expect to make money off the deal. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal ";-1;0 "Subject: Mark Whiten From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) Lines: 13 I was on vacation all last week and didn't see any news at all. Could somebody fill me in on how St. Louis ended up with Mark Whiten in a trade? Who did we give up Arocha, Allen Watson, Dmitri Young, or did Dal make a decent deal? : Russ Smith ******************************************************************************* ""I don't know anything about X's, but I know about some O."" George Gervin on being an assistant coach ******************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 58 a.faris@trl.oz.au (Aziz Faris) writes: >Helllo Netters: >I was told the Bible says that God took the body of the Virgin Mary as >she was being carried for burial. Is this true, if so were in the Bible >does it say that. >Regards, >A.Faris >[I think you're talking about the ""assumption of the Blessed Virgin >Mary"". It says that ""The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin >Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed >body and soul into heavenly glory."" This was defined by a Papal >statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some >before that. Like the Immaculate Conception, this is primarily a >Roman Catholic doctrine, and like it, it has no direct Biblical >support. Note that Catholics do not believe in ""sola scriptura"". >That is, they do not believe that the Bible is the only source of >Christian knowledge. Thus the fact that a doctrine has little >Biblical support is not necessarily significant to them. They believe >that truth can be passed on through traditions of the Church, and also >that it can be revealed to the Church. I'm not interested in yet >another Catholic/Protestant argument, but if any Catholics can tell us >the basis for these beliefs, I think it would be appropriate. --clh] Again I find myself wanting to respond to a posting and having neither the time nor the proper materials with me (you would think I would learn my lesson by now--but I'm trying to finish writing my Thesis and don't have tons of time. Anyway...) The basis for our (the catholic church's) belief in the assumption of Mary, body and soul, into heaven is that, to put it simply, the apostles and all the early generation Christians believed it. In fact, throughout their ministry the apostles kept in close contact with Mary, and 11 of the 12 were present when she died. Only Thomas was missing--when he arrived several days later, he asked to be shown her body, and moved with pity, Peter and several of the other apostles brought him to her tomb. When they arrived the seal was still unbroken. They broke the seal, entered, and the body was missing. There was no sign that anyone had entered, forcibly or otherwise, and everything else was laid out exactly as it had been left. The apostles present all believed that Mary was assumed into heaven--and the apostles TAUGHT this in their preaching (of course, this does not appear in any of the texts currently considered part of the bible, but it does appear in other writings left behind by several of them.) Basicaly, as an apostolic church (ie. founded by the apostles), we believe that the teachings of the apostles, whether written down in the bible or written down in other sources, is true, providing that the authenticity of those other sources can be confirmed. At least in the case of the assumption of Mary, the authenticity is quite clear. Hope this helps--I would welcome anyone who has more information to add to what I've said. - Mike Walker mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Univ. of Illinois) ] ";-1;0 "From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com Subject: son of genuine VINYL records 4SALE Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com Thank you ALL for requesting my list and thank you again if you purchased vinyl from me. LOTSA MORE VINYL LEFTOVER FOR SALE. VINYL looking for a new home. PLEASE BUY some (more) so I can STOP running this AD. Bunches of 12"" vinyl records for sale including a METAL ACETATE!!! 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I also read somewhere that >it is next to impossible in Canada to litigate against the health >system-class action suits are nearly impossible, and you can't sue >the provincial health officials at all. Since our doctors are private and the ""system"" is just an insurance plan, litigation would not involve the insurance fund. Our lawyers do not work on contingency, so that if you were to sue for malpractice then you'd better be sure of winning to cover your fees ... likewise, if you were a doctor and subject of a suit, it's time to sweat. >>Since the provincial wings of the CMA are the ones that go to bat when >>the fee schedule hikes are presented, the politically-bent doctors >>were just cackling when they realized the CMA would grow in strength >>rather than diminish, especially when unopposed unlike in socialized >>medicine approaches like Britain's National Health Service. > >Oh no. Don't let the AMA know about this. They have enough power as it >is. Ask most Americans whether they'd like the doctors' lobby to get >more powerful. A few weeks ago, the president of the Canadian MA wrote a letter to the NYT to decry a lobbyist's advert repeating the same old trash. This is significant because the AMA and the CMA are interlinked organizations and he would not have done it without the approval of his AMA cronies. >Well, yeah, tell us about the National Defense Medical Centre outside >Ottawa. Theoretically it's limited to service personnel, but some >studies I've heard about have suggested that about half the patients >there are civilians who not only have connections but aren't ""urgent"" >at all. It serves the same purpose as the Bethesda Naval Hospital ... since not all hospitals can provide everything, maybe they have some stuff that others don't? (Ottawa's population is only a quarter million, if you include the surrounding counties.) >The problem is, in a system where hospitals' annual budgets are >>approved by the government, how do you keep political considerations >out of medical decisions? I bet that if you're an MP or MPP, or good >friends with one, you're put on any hospital's ""urgent"" care list no >matter how minor your problem. Which is OK unless you're someone who >gets bumped off the list for some bigshot. People of influence will get their way in any system, American or European. It's the ""Golden Rule"" - he who has the gold makes the rules. (-; As for annual budgets, those are actually annual grants for facilities (e.g., mops, pans, etc.) given to hospitals of which most are private nonprofit foundations (btw, I have no problem with having aggressive for-profit hospitals like the French, who use our approach ... but in the Paris region they have almost as many people as Canada does so their market is much more diverse). The rest has to be made up for by billings from patients who use their services. >>>WOULDN'T NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE MEAN THAT AMERICANS WHO ARE NOW >>>FULLY INSURED MIGHT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR LESS? >>> >>>In Canada, provincial insurance covers all health costs except dental >>>care, eyeglasses, prescription drugs, ambulance service, and private >>>hospital rooms, -- so many Canadians do end up buying some private >>>insurance. A policy to cover all of these things runs about #40 to $40 >>>a month. > >Hmm. How much difference would it make in the figure of percentage >of GNP spent on health care if dentistry and optometry were included >in the accounting? Maybe Canada spends proportionately just as much >on health care as we do. The GDP figures are combined public and private expenditures for total outlay, and are compiled use the same methods by the OECD that yield the 13-14% figure for the U.S. >So what happens if the health care systems financially collapse. How? They are collecting premiums ... and I'm an advocate of having copayments like the French do in their system in order to make it look more like the real insurance that it is. The private doctors and hospitals will still be there after the insurance (hypothically) disappears, as they were there before it appeared. >Bob Rae, the second least popular man in Ontario, warned Ontarians a >few years ago that if they didn't stop cross-border shopping in such >huge numbers, ""the services they expect from the province just won't >be there in a few years"" For one thing, I think that Bob Rae is an idiot ... >He didn't say so, but I knew he meant the OHIP. Most of OHIP comes from separate premiums on your paycheck if you are a player ... he wants to spend our money on other things than the health insurance. Our high taxes are high for other spending but health insurance, which is separate and optional, and it is being spent in a nonpartisan manner by every party. )-; OHIP is just a health insurance plan; it does not provide any kind of health care, that is up to you and your private doctors. >Would the private insurers take up the slack? They'd be under no >obligation to. Of course, they could eventually make money again, >but if what you say is true, they'd be loathe to do so (and out of >practice in handling such basic services, too). Some of the companies providing extra insurance are subsidiaries of American companies, and their parents provide full insurance down here. Regardless, all firms up north can easily turn on cable TV to see how well the American firms are doing by being involved in basic coverage. The private firms are making too much money after having gotten rid of basic coverage. They run around patting them- selves on the back for their own cooperation in providing extras for those people who ""deserve it"". >>When private insurance realized how much money they'd make without the >>risks involved in basic insurance (e.g., neurosurgery) versus deluxe >>amenities (e.g., having to call Granada TV to replace a rental set on >>the fritz in someone's private hospital room), they started to pat >>themselves on the back for their social responsibility. In Quebec >>last spring, a consortium of private insurers publicly warned against >>any thoughts of privatizing routine, low cost parts of that province's >>public health insurance plan. > >Again, I doubt Americans would like giving the insurance companies that >much power. I half wonder if the Canadian health insurers didn't go >along with the provinces and the federal government years ago because >they knew that there was a good chance of the public system going bust >in the long run, and then afterwards they could clean up (Okay, this >sort of contradicts what I said higher up. But it's another possibility). >They'd have an added bonus when arguing against government >involvement in their industry-as they could then point to its failure >instead of just citing theoretical principles. I agree ... they were in a win-win situation. But right now, it seems that they have won bigger, when you look at how full their coffers are. Friends from my sisters' MBA class were still being flown out for job interviews individually with insurance firms in London, ON, (Canada's insurance capitol a la Hartford) along with generous expense privileges this year despite the ongoing post-recession blues. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";18;1 "From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) Organization: NCSU Chem Eng Lines: 128 In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: | |> In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: |> > |> >It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like |> >to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer |> >in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... |> >SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of |> >the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not |> >know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often |> >suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are |> >supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and |> >ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps |> >for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured |> >by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages |> >of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. |> |> This a ""tried and true"" method utilized by guerilla and terrorists groups: |> to conduct operations in the midst of the local populace, thus forcing the |> opposing ""state"" to possible harm innocent civilians in their search or, |> in order to avoid the deaths of civilians, abandon the search. Certainly the |> people who use the population for cover are *also* to blaim for dragging the |> innocent civilians into harm's way. |> |> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, Israel |> should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with attacking |> another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the other respects |> innocent lives? Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are using civilians for cover, are they not killing SOLDIERS in THEIR country? If the buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why is it further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why not just kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there is more to the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... ""GETTING BACK"" ...""GETTING EVEN"". It doesn't make sense to shell the villages. The least it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli government for the lives of civilians. |> >If Israel insists that |> >the so called ""Security Zone"" is necessary for the protection of |> >Northern Israel, than it will have to pay the price of its occupation |> >with the blood of its soldiers. |> >If Israel is interested in peace, than it should withdraw from OUR land. |> |> What? So the whole bit about attacks on Israel from neighboring Arab states |> can start all over again? While I also hope for this to happen, it will |> only occur WHEN Arab states show that they are *prepared* to take on the |> responsibility and the duty to stop guerilla attacks on Israel from their |> soil. They have to Prove it (or provide some ""guaratees""), there is no way |> Israel is going to accept their ""word""- not with their past attitude of |> tolerance towards ""anti-Israel guerillas in-residence"". If Israel is not willing to accept the ""word"" of others then, IMHO, it has no business wasting others' time coming to the peace talks. |> > |> >I have written before on this very newsgroup, that the only |> >real solution will come as a result of a comprehensive peace |> >settlement whereby Israel withdraws to its own borders and |> >peace keeping troops are stationed along the border to insure |> >no one on either side of the border is shelled. |> |> Good lord, Brad. [....] No, I am not Basil. I think Basil is a very intelligent person and I respect what he writes. Basil is a person that I would gladly call a friend. He is, however, not me. Nor am I Lebanese, as some seem to suspect. |> >This is the only realistic solution, it is time for Israel to |> >realize that the concept of a ""buffer zone"" aimed at protecting |> >its northern cities has failed. In fact it has caused much more |> >Israeli deaths than the occasional shelling of Northern Israel |> >would have resulted in. |> |> Perhaps you are aware that, to most communities of people, there is |> the feeling that it is better that ""many of us die fighting |> against those who attack us than for few to die while we silently |> accept our fate."" If,however, you call on Israel to see the sense of |> suffering fewer casualties, I suggest you apply the same to Palestinian, |> Arab and Islamic groups. Tim, you are ignoring the fact that the Palestinians in Lebanon have been disarmed. Hezbollah remains the only independent militia. Hezbollah does not attack Israel except at a few times such as when the IDF burned up Sheikh Mosavi, his wife, and young son. Of course, if Israel would withdraw from Lebanon and stop assassinating people and shelling villages they wouldn't make the Lebanese so mad as to do that. Furthermore, with Hezbollah subsequently disarmed, it would not be possible. |> >and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is |> >capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did |> >in all other parts of Lebanon. |> > |> >Basil |> |> It has not. Without the support, and active involvement, of Syria, |> Lebanon would not have been able to accomplish all that has occurred. |> Once Syria leaves who is to say that Lebanon will be able to retain |> control? If Syria stays thay may be even more dangerous for Israel. Tim, when is the last time that you recall any trouble on the Syrian border? Not lately, eh? Israel knows very well that the Syrians are able to restrain ALL who would use territory under their control to attack Israel. While Lebanon would be better off with Syria and Israel out of its borders, the presence of Syrian troops in Lebanon has meant a sharp decrease in attacks on Israeli territory (not on Israeli troops in Lebanon, however. Please note the distinction) in the past two years. |> > |> Tim |> |> Your view of this entire matter is far too serenely one-sided and |> selectively naive. I disagree, Basil has always seemed to me to be a cool-headed person, slow to anger (certainly more so than I). What is most important is that he is an actual witness to things from the other end of the Israeli guns. If only the Israeli government would remember what it was like when the roles were reversed perhaps they would moderate their ""retaliation"". Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) ";-1;0 "From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: TrueType fonts that display but do not print. Summary: Adjust OutlineThreshold Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr17.134725.15882@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> avinash@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Avinash Chopde) writes: >I just installed a new TrueType font under MS-Windows 3.1 >but though all the applications display the font correctly on the >screen, quite a few of them fail to print out the document correctly >(on a LaserJet 4 - non-PostScript printer). ... >But when I use the Windows accessory Write, the printer prints square >boxes in place of the characters of the new font. Yet, Write does >display the font correctly on the screen. This is a common problem with highly complex TrueType fonts. Microsoft admits to a problem with older versions of the PostScript printer driver, but I've found it to be pretty generic. You can get around the problem by adjusting the parameter OutlineThreshold in the [TrueType] section of WIN.INI. This entry specifies the number of pels-per-em at which Windows will render TrueType fonts as outline fonts instead of as bitmap fonts. The default is 256. I've generally been able to get fonts to work by setting OutlineThreshold=160. Depending on your printer resolution and the point size you are using, you may need a different value. The Windows Resource Kit warns against going above 300. Presumably, that might cause fonts to print as square boxes or something. :-| (I'm not smiling.) -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com ";6;1 "From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 38 In article sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: > >I have written a program and I want to market it. I would like certain degree >of protection, since my main custmers are individuals and not the >cooperations. I know laser hole burning method, and hardware key method, >however, my software is going to cost only $15.00, so I can not afford that. >Also, at this low price I can not afford people make too many copy of my >software. Well, I guess say upto %20 illigal copying is ok by me. > >However, I do not want someone to get a copy of PCTools and copy my software. >Off course, I never meant to forbid the true hackers from copying, since they >can develope a better program anyway. I wouldn't bother with the copy protection, if I were you. If you program is any good, the pirates will have stripped the protection and will be distributing the stripped version is well under a week. Hardware methods prevent J. Random Loser from using his Copy II PC to pirate your software, but doesn't stop anyone who knows a few people with enough connections to ""real"" pirates who _will_ be able to defeat your ""check for the hole"" code. You may want to price your software (depending on what it is) a tad higher... a price change from $15 to $25 probably would turn off very few potentials buyers, and that way you could tolerate more pirates (whose numbers don't change with the price). As for the 20% pirating figure... ha, ha. Of course, a lot of pirates just have this ""thing"" about having pirated software, even if they never use it, so perhaps that really wouldn't count towards 20%. Even so, 20% is awfully low. ---Joel Kolstad P.S. -- I assume you're talking PC software. If you're talking UNIX, HP-48, or something else somewhat obscure, copy protection might be a slightly more viable alternative. ";-1;0 "From: datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 28 In article <30136@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: >In article <1qjd3o$nlv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >>Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round. >>So you better explain what objective atoms are, and how we get them >>from subjective values, before we go any further. > >Atoms are not objective. They aren't even real. What scientists call >an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes >certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings. All >of which is subjective. [rest deleted...] You were a liberal arts major, weren'tcha? Guess you never saw that photo of the smallest logo in the world-- ""IBM"" made with noble gas atoms (krypton? xenon? I forget the specifics). Atoms, trees, electrons are all independently observable and verifiable. Morals aren't. See the difference? Tep -- Men who love brown tend to be warm and deep, sensitive to the needs and desires of their partners. Sex is a 24 hour a day thing. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or catching snowflakes on their tongue is a real turn-on to a lover of brown. (thanx becka!) ";-1;0 "From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Need Reference: Multiple Personalities Disorders and Allergies Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 28 I heard third-hand (not the best form of information) that there was recently published results of a study on Multiple-Personality-Disorder Syndrome patients revealing some interesting clues that the root cause of allergy may have a psychological trigger or basis. What I heard about this study was that in one 'personality', a MPDS patient exhibited no observable or clinical signs of inhalant allergy (scratch tests were used, according to what I heard), while in other personalities they showed obvious allergy symptoms, including testing a full ++++ on scratch tests for particular inhalants. If this is true, it is truly fascinating. But, I'd like to know if this study was ever done, and if so, what the study really showed, and where the study is published. Any help out there? Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. ";-1;0 "From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) Subject: Re: Position of 'b' on Erg. Keyboard Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se In <1993Apr19.143939.28983@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> probulf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Frank Probul) writes: >|> However, when I learned typing in school some years ago, I was taught >|> to write 'b' with my right hand. Is this a difference between Danish >|> and American typing, or what??? >In germany you usually use the left hand for the 'b' Same in Sweden (the ergonomic keyboard is great, BUT! the palm rests do NOT fix to the keyboard; they just sort of rests against the table. Too bad when you have the keyboard in your knee... Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- ""You NEVER hide the menu bar. You might go about and change the color of it to the color of the BACKGROUND, but you never HIDE the menu bar."" -- Tog ";-1;0 "From: hernandez@info-gw.mese.com (Manny Hernandez) Subject: Misc. Items (PIP TV tuner,CB Ant,Gym,Scanner & Run brds) Distribution: atl.forsale,misc.forsale Organization: Information Gateway BBS -- +1 404-928-7873 Lines: 77 I have the following items for sale. Rabbit PIP tuner SoloFlex-like gym Scanner (800 Mhz) CB Antenna Blazer/Jimmy running boards ---- Rabbit PIP (picture-in-picture) Box. This device when used with a VCR tuner will allow you to have a second channel popped up on any corner of the screen. The you can press SWAP on the remote and the small picture will be swapped with the main picture. The only limitation to this box is that it is has 36 channel tuner. This means that the box itself cannot tune higher than cable channel 36. However, if your VCR tuner is capable of tuning higher than this, then you simply tune the VCR to the channel desired and then swap pictures (assuming the alternate picture is channel 36 or lower) and it will work fine. Original cost: $149 Will sell for: $75 ---- Running boards for Jimmy or Blazer Brand new black running boards for the S10/15 models. I purchased them and realized that I could not use (after return period expired) them because of wheel trim that I have installed on my vehicle. Original cost: $125 Will sell for: $ 65 ---- Regency MX4200 20-Channel Scanner Recieves cellular frequencies (800-950 mhz) along with 7 other bands. Brand new Ni-Cad battery pack. Original Cost: $249 Will sell for: $135 ---- GYN/Plex model 2000 workout Gym, similar to Solo-Flex This gym is similar to Solo-Flex in that it uses resistance bands to increase the effective lifting weight. It is all black and made of steel. I have an extra set of bands that I purchased that will be included. Original cost: $349 Will sell for: $125 ---- Big Stick CB Antenna for 27 Mhz band. Will sell for: $30 Because of weight or or other difficulty, last 2 items for Atlanta area only please. I will share non-COD shipping charges. Thanks Manny ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Information Gateway BBS +1 404-928-7873 Public Access Newsgroups/Email Please reply to: hernandez@info-gw.blackwlf.mese.com (Sysop) hernandez@info-gw.atl.ga.us ";-1;0 "From: tychay@cco.caltech.edu (Terrence Y. Chay) Subject: TIFF (NeXT Appsoft draw) -> GIF conversion? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu Summary: Help! Keywords: TIFF GIF graphics conversion NeXT Appsoft Okay all my friends are bitching at me that the map I made in Appsoft Draw can't be displayed in ""xv""... I checked... It's true, at least with version 1.0. My readers on the NeXT have very little trouble on it (Preview messes up the .eps, but does fine with the TIFF and ImageViewer0.9a behaves with flying colors except it doesn't convert worth *&^^% ;-) ) Please is there any way I can convert this .drw from Appsoft 1.0 on the NeXT to something more reasonable like .gif? I have access to a sun4 and NeXTstep 3.0 systems. any good reliable conversion programs would be helpful... please email, I'll post responses if anyone wants me to... please email that to. Yes I used alphachannel... (god i could choke steve jobs right now ;-) ) Yes i know how to archie, but tell me what to archie for ;-) Also is there a way to convert to .ps plain format? ImageViiewer0.9 turns out nothing recognizable.... terrychay --- small editorial -rw-r--r-- 1 tychay 2908404 Apr 18 08:03 Undernet.tiff -rw-r--r-- 1 tychay 73525 Apr 18 08:03 Undernet.tiff.Z and not using gzip! is it me or is there something wrong with this format? ";-1;0 "From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 34 In a previous article, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) says: >today ? Finally, if Israel wants peace, why can't it declare what >it considers its legitimate and secure borders, which might be a >base for negotiations? Having all the above facts in mind, one >cannot blame Arab countries to fear Israeli expansionism, as a >number of wars have proved (1948, 1956, 1967, 1982). Oh yeah, Israel was really ready to ""expand its borders"" on the holiest day of the year (Yom Kippur) when the Arabs attacked in 1973. Oh wait, you chose to omit that war...perhaps because it 100% supports the exact OPPOSITE to the point you are trying to make? I don't think that it's because it was the war that hit Israel the hardest. Also, in 1967 it was Egypt, not Israel who kicked out the UN force. In 1948 it was the Arabs who refused to accept the existance of Israel BASED ON THE BORDERS SET BY THE UNITED NATIONS. In 1956, Egypt closed off the Red Sea to Israeli shipping, a clear antagonistic act. And in 1982 the attack was a response to years of constant shelling by terrorist organizations from the Golan Heights. Children were being murdered all the time by terrorists and Israel finally retaliated. Nowhere do I see a war that Israel started so that the borders could be expanded. Steve -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet: aa229@freenet.carleton.ca Fidonet: 1:163/109.18 | | Mossad@qube.ocunix.on.ca | | <> | ";15;1 "From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: Is LA burning yet? Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 18 In article <4892@master.CNA.TEK.COM> mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM writes: > I hear the jury reached a verdict. Where did you hear this? I seem to have missed it. > Is LA burning yet? No. Will L.A. burn? No. (Regardless of the verdict.) > I'm not near a radio. Count your blessings. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | ";18;1 "From: farley@access.digex.com (Charles U. Farley) Subject: Help with changing Startup logo Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA: 800-546-2010 Lines: 21 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Summary: Help with changing Startup logo I know this is probably a FAQ, but... I installed the s/w for my ATI graphics card, and it bashed my Windows logo files. When I start Windows now, it has the 3.0 logo instead of the 3.1 logo. I thought the files that controlled this were \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.RLE \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.LGO I restored these files, but it didn't change the logo. Anyone know what the correct files are? Thanks. -- farley@access.digex.com Average IQ of Calgary Board of Ed. Employee: 65 ";-1;0 "From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA Lines: 40 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Wharf Wrat rites: >They were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 - I forget the >exact spec - but for military vehicles. That's 80 in a 1958 Dodge >Powerwagon. Not 80 in a 1993 Ford Taurus. Ever' once in a while, you still see a reference to the super- slab system as ""Interstate and Defense Highways."" But whether the military has much of anything that goes 80 on the road is another matter. A few of their most whomped-up diesel trucks, maybe, load permitting. The military surplus stuff I've driven -- ""Jeep Classic"" (Willys/Kaiser/AMC, pre-independent suspension) and Power Wagons (Slant 6 in a crew-cab pickup) weren't exactly congenial at highway speeds, and I wouldn't swear any of them would do 80 except as a bedload on a semi. You just gotta love the standard military tire, too, or at least the one they used to use. Designed circa WW II as a compromise between traction in icky sticky goo and longevity on sharp rocks and so forth, it's quite ill-adapted to high speeds on civilian roadways. For those who can't remember what they look like, imagine a mountain-bike tire with a road rib in the middle, scaled up to car size. Oh, yeah, and narrow too. One of the standard mods for civilizing a surplus Jeep was to install tires and wheels that reflected some of the advancements made in ride and handling since D-Day. But the point made by Wharfie and others still stands: if you're going to do 80 in a mil-spec '58 Power Wagon (or a Jeep or a tank transporter or other unwieldy rubber-tired vehicle) anywhere, I'd suggest the American interstate. Your safe speed there tends to be limited more by your car and skills, road maintenance, and the swarms of fools around you; the roads were designed for going like the devil. Naturally, neither I nor my employer advocates unsafe or unlawful driving. --Joe ""Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"" ";10;1 "From: qman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Charlie Kuehmann) Subject: LCIII to VGA Monitor Adapters Article-I.D.: ironman.qman-060493132722 Organization: Northwestern University Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: ironman.ms.nwu.edu I'm having a real tough time finding out the proper adapters to use a VGA monitor (an IBM 8513 sold w/ many PS/2's to be exact) on the Mac LC III. All of the vendors I have called say that the internal video will not work on a true VGA monitor but will work on a IBM Compatible multisync like the sony's or the NEC monitors. I thought the VGA capability of LCIII was very attractive because it allowed you to use inexpensive VGA monitors. Am I confused or are these vendors just not up to speed? Has anyone used an LCIII with a non multisync VGA monitor and if so where did you get your adapter (please be specific w/ vendor and cat #)? I would prefer to get a apple monitor for these LCIII's (it's unseemly to see the finder inside an IBM bezel) but the more money we save on monitors the more LCIII's we can afford and the more PS/2's we can get rid of! Charles Kuehmann Northwestern University Steel Research Group qman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu ";0;1 "From: SASTLS@MVS.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) Subject: Re: seizures ( infantile spasms ) Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr20.184034.13779@dbased.nuo.dec.com>, dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD) writes: > > The reason I'm posting this article to this newsgroup is to: >1. gather any information about this disorder from anyone who might > have recently been *e*ffected by it ( from being associated with > it or actually having this disorder ) and >2. help me find out where I can access any medical literature associated > with seizures over the internet. I tried to e-mail you but it bounced back. Please e-mail me and I will give you someone's name who might be very helpful. You might also post your message to misc.kids. TAMARA sastls@mvs.sas.com ";-1;0 "From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: thining algorithm Organization: Purdue University Lines: 15 In article <1q7615INNmi@shelley.u.washington.edu> kshin@stein.u.washington.edu (Kevin Shin) writes: > I am trying obtain program to preprocess handwriting characters. > Like thining algorithm, graph alogrithm. > Do anyone know where I can obtain those? I usually use ""Algorithms for graphics and image processing"" by Theodosios Pavlidis, but other people here got them same idea and now 3 of 4 copies in the libraries have been stolen! Another reference is ""Digital Image Processing"" by Gonzalez and Wintz/Wood, which is widely available but a little expensive ($55 here- I just checked today). ab ";1;1 "From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco. Organization: sgi Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1993Apr3.071823.13253@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: |> In article <1pj2b6$aaa@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> >In article <1993Apr3.033446.10669@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: |> >|>Er, Jon, what Ken said was: |> >|> |> >|> There have previously been people like you in your country. Unfortunately, |> >|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> >|> most Jews did not survive. |> >|> |> >|>That sure sounds to me like Ken is accusing the guy of being a Nazi. |> > [my previous posting deleted] |> |> Yes, yes. This is a perfectly fine rant, and I agree with it completely. |> But what does it have to do with anything? The issue at hand here |> is whether or not Ken accused the fellow from Germany of being a |> Nazi. I grant that he did not explicity make this accusation, but |> he came pretty damn close. He is certainly accusing the guy of |> sympathizing with those who would like to exterminate the Jews, and |> that's good enough for me. The poster casually trashed two thousand years of Jewish history, and Ken replied that there had previously been people like him in Germany. That's right. There have been. There have also been people who were formally Nazis. But the Nazi party would have gone nowhere without the active and tacit support of the ordinary man in the street who behaved as though casual anti-semitism was perfectly acceptable. Now what exactly don't you understand about what I wrote, and why don't you see what it has to do with the matter at hand? jon. ";-1;0 "From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) Subject: Re: Had to share this Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland. Lines: 66 In article <1993Apr03.232325.23178@acme.gen.nz> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes: >bena@dec07.cs.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) writes: > >> Warning - if you are anything like a devout Christian this post is >> really going to offend and/or upset you. > >[...numerous Ctrl-Ls deleted...hehehe...] > >> I assume everyone here is familiar with the Christian `fish' symbol. >> The one on the back of all those Volvos. >> The one that looks (something) like >> __ >> / \/ >> \__/\ >> >> Or perhaps more like () ? >> '` >> >> Well, I found out this morning where it comes from ... >> >> It's been stolen from the pagans, like so much else ... >> >> (Last last chance to be blisfully ignorant ;-] >> >> Hmm, how can I put it. >> >> Well, it comes from, this ... >> >> >> >> __ >> \/ >> () >> `__-'`-__' >> >> >> >> Sigh, I hate drawing with ascii chars. >> Still, I think you can work it out from there ... > >If you haven't, go read ""Skinny Legs and All"" by Tom Robbins. If he's even >50% accurate then most of the modern religions have been ""appropriated"". >It's also a great book. > >Followups to alt.atheism, whose readers are probably slightly more authorative >on this. > > - k >-- >Craig Harding kilroy@acme.gen.nz ACME BBS +64 6 3551342 >""Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"" Craig- I thought it was derived from a Greek acronym. My Greek isn't up to much, but it goes something like this: Jesus Christ, God => Iesus CHristos, THeos => Ichthos which is the Greek for ""fish"" (as in, eg ""ichthysaurus""). Apologies for my dreadful Greek! Perhaps someone will correct it. By the way, what does your sig mean? -Norman ";-1;0 "From: jkaidor@synoptics.com (Jerome Kaidor) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Qu Reply-To: jkaidor@synoptics.com Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: picasso.synoptics.com Just a few comments about the feasability of zipping up a bunch of miles on your electronic odometer with an oscillator.... I wouldn't expect to be able to do this. Not because the engineers at BMW are putting in anti-fraud logic, but just because an automobile is a noisy, hostile environment for electronics, and I would expect the software to be conservative. If I were to design a microprocessor-based odometer/speedometer program, it would have the following features ( just off the top of my head ): * Debouncing/deglitching ( Is this a real pulse, or just a glitch? ) * Smoothing: The rate-of-change of speed cannot be too high: This is a car, not an electron. * Top speed limit: Anything above 200MPH is ridiculous: must be electrical noise or contact bounce As for getting in and presetting the pins: if this is the circuit board out of a BMW dashboard, I seem to remember a single big chip with lotsa pins in the middle of the card. Good luck getting at the counter :-). I wouldn't expect a high input frequency to damage the meter: remember, it's probably damped so it can't move too fast, and is probably protected. After all, a car is an extremely hostile place for delicate electronics; there used to be an app note in the National Semiconductor Linear Databook that went into this in good detail. - Jerry Kaidor ( tr2!jerry@dragoman.com, jkaidor@synoptics.com ) - Jerry Kaidor ";-1;0 "From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") Subject: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station! X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 16 on Date: 01 Apr 93 18:03:12 GMT, Ralph Buttigieg writes: /Why can't the government just be a tennant? Private commercial concerns /could just build a space station system and charge rent to the government /financed researchers wanting to use it. I believe that this was the thought behind the Industrial Space Facility. I don't remember all the details, but I think Space Services (?) wanted NASA to sign an anchor tenancy deal in order to help secure some venture capital but NASA didn't like the deal. (I'm sure I'll hear about it if I'm wrong!) Disclaimer: Opinions stated are solely my own (unless I change my mind). Ben Muniz MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com w(818)586-3578 Space Station Freedom:Rocketdyne/Rockwell:Structural Loads and Dynamics ""Man will not fly for fifty years"": Wilbur to Orville Wright, 1901 ";-1;0 "From: dragon@access.digex.com (Covert C Beach) Subject: Re: Mars Observer Update - 03/29/93 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: Mars Observer, JPL In article <1pcgaa$do1@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >Now isn't that always the kicker. It does seem stupid to drop >a mission like Magellan, because there isn't 70 million a year >to keep up the mission. You'd think that ongoing science could >justify the money. JPL gets accused of spending more then neccessary, >probably some validity in that, but NASA does put money into some >things that really are Porcine. Oh well. I attended a colloquium at Goddard last fall where the head of the operations section of NASA was talking about what future missions were going to be funded. I don't remember his name or title off hand and I have discarded the colloquia announcement. In any case, he was asked about that very matter: ""Why can't we spend a few million more to keep instruments that we already have in place going?"" His responce was that there are only so many $ available to him and the lead time on an instrument like a COBE, Magellan, Hubble, etc is 5-10 years minumum. If he spent all that could be spent on using current instruments in the current budget enviroment he would have very little to nothing for future projects. If he did that, sure in the short run the science would be wonderful and he would be popular, however starting a few years after he had retired he would become one of the greatest villans ever seen in the space community for not funding the early stages of the next generation of instruments. Just as he had benefited from his predicessor's funding choices, he owed it to whoever his sucessor would eventually be to keep developing new missions, even at the expense of cutting off some instruments before the last drop of possible science has been wrung out of them. -- Covert C Beach dragon@access.digex.com ";-1;0 "From: jacquier@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Eric Jacquier ) Subject: Opinions on Allergy (Hay Fever) shots? Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Lines: 19 Hello, I am interested in trying this ""desensitization"" (?) method against hay fever. What is the state of affairs about this. I went to a doctor and paid $85 for a 10 minute interview + 3 scratches, leading to the diagnostic that I am allergic to (June and Timothy) grass. I believe this. From now on it looks like 2 shots per week for 6 months followed by 1 shot per month or so. Each shot costs $20. Talking about soaring costs and the Health care system, I would call that a racket. We are not talking about rare Amazonian grasses here, but the garbage which grows behind the doctor's office. Apart from this issue, I was somewhat disappointed to find out that you have to keep getting the shots forever. Is that right? Thanks for information. Ej ";4;1 "From: eric@sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas) Subject: Clifford Delta car alarm? Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 9 Just found a great deal on a Clifford Delta car alarm, $450 installed. Comes with glass break sensor, motion detector, and shock detector. Does anyone have one of these alarms? Are they any good? From the looks of it, its about the best on the market for the price. It's also on sale, so that's another reason to get it. I think I'll be saving almost $200. Any opinions? Eric Lucas ";10;1 "From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: prayers and advice requested on family problem Organization: Indiana University Lines: 34 Julie, it is a really trying situation that you have described. My brother was living with someone like that and things were almost as bad (although he left after a considerably shorter amount of time due to other problems with the relationship). Anyway, the best thing to do would be to get everyone in the same room together (optimally in a room with nothing breakable), lock the door behind you, throw the key out underneath the door (just as far as the longest hand can reach. You would like to get out after the conclusion, I would imagine), and hash things out. More than likely, there will be screaming, crying, and possibly hitting (unless of course someone decided to bring some rope to tie people down). Some of the best strategies in keeping things calmer would include: have each individual own their own statements (ie, I feel that this relationship is hurting everyone involved because.... or I really don't understand where you're coming from.) reinforce statements by paraphrasing, etc. (ie, So you think that we did this because of...? Well, let me just say that the reason for this was ....) don't accuse each other (It was your fault that ... happened!) find a common ground about SOMETHING (Lampshades really are decorational and functional at the same time.) Guaranteed, in a situation like this, there is going to be some gunnysacking (re-hashing topics which were assumed resolved, but were truly not and someone feels someone else is to blame). However, this should be kept to a minimum and simply ask for forgiveness or apologize about each situation WITHOUT holding a smoldering grudge. The relationship really can work. It's just a matter of keeping things smooth and even. It's sort of like making a peace treaty between warring factions: you can't give one side everything; there must be a compromise. Breaks can be taken, but communication between everyone involved must continue if the relationships here are to survive. Joe Fisher ";-1;0 "From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes: >hello there >ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly >comment on its handling . From _Cycle_World_ magazine (5/93) (who usually never says _anything_ bad about any motorcycle): ""The Max certainly has motor, but there are some things it is short of. It is short of chassis. It loves straight lines; aimed in one, it is nicely stable. But it is not overfond of corners. Forced into one, it protests, shaking its head, chattering its front tire, grinding its footpegs, and generally making known its preference for straight pavement. Bumps? It doesn't like them either. Its fork isn't too bad, though it is soft enough that it can be bottomed under hard braking. The shocks, though which work on that short-travel, shaft-drive swingarm, are firm to the point of harshness."" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | ""You can't wear out | | davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, | | '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.| | '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks | | '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, | | 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that | | My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief."" | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: d2cheng@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Dominic Cheng) Subject: Re: Centris Cache & Bernoulli Box Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 7 You will need Driver ver 3.5.2 to work with Quadra/Centris. You can download it from iomega BBS: 1-801-778-4400 -- Dominic Cheng (d2cheng@descartes.uwaterloo.ca) Computer Science, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Andrew Newell Subject: Re: < <93099.234144MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> <1q8lk3INNitq@gap.caltech.edu> <93102.062908MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> <93105.022621TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu> <1ql71pINN5ef@gap.caltech.edu> Lines: 36 In article <1ql71pINN5ef@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) says: > >Andrew Newell writes: > >>Sure, they may fall back on other things, but this is one they >>should not have available to use. > >It is worse than others? The National Anthem? Should it be changed too? >God Bless America? The list goes on... Worse? Maybe not, but it is definately a violation of the rules the US govt. supposedly follows. Maybe the others should be changed to? But I'm not personally as concerned about the anthem since I don't come across it in daily nearly unavoidable routines. >>every christian. And I'd be tempted to rub that motto in the >>face of christians when debunking their standard motto slinging >>gets boring. > >Then you'd be no better than the people you despise. I don't despise the people...just their opinions. I meant when chatting with the ones who refuse to listen to any idea other than their own...then it just becomes an exercise for amusement. >[...] >>For the motto to be legitimate, it would have to read: >> ""In god, gods, or godlessness we trust"" > >Would you approve of such a motto? No. ...not unless the only way to get rid of the current one was to change it to such as that. ";-1;0 "From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) Subject: Polls (was Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati) Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA Lines: 37 Reply-To: Jason C. Austin NNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov In-reply-to: libwca@emory.edu's message of 14 Apr 93 20:31:09 GMT In article <2680@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes: -> : According to a ``CNN Poll'' to key reason for Clinton's low -> : approval rating is people are angry about him not moving fast enough -> : on gays in the military. I just burst out laughing when I heard this; -> : what planet do these CNN people live on anyway? -> : -- -> : Jason C. Austin -> : j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov -> -> Dunno, man... that sounds pretty damned unlikely to me, too, -> although it's certainly one of the reasons I'm pissed off at him. -> Maybe the sample was taken entirely from my fellow memebers of the -> Cultural Elite? -> -> Jason, can you quote some of these poll questions? -> -> Thanks, -> Bill -> v I've never seen CNN give out the poll questions on the air. If you sent them a letter asking for them, you might get them. Here's my guess of how part of a session might look: Question: Do you approve of Clinton's performance? Answer: No Questions: Do you disapprove due to the gays in the military issue? Answer: Yes Conclusion: Clinton has a low approval rating because he's not moving fast enough on gays in the military. I think any group truly dedicated to reporting the news would not use manufactured news like polls. -Jason ";-1;0 "From: jhwitten@cs.ruu.nl (Jurriaan Wittenberg) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 27 In <1993Apr18.230732.27804@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> ken@cs.UAlberta.CA (Huisman Kenneth M) writes: >I am looking for some graphic images of earth shot from space. >( Preferably 24-bit color, but 256 color .gif's will do ). > >Anyways, if anyone knows an FTP site where I can find these, I'd greatly >appreciate it if you could pass the information on. Thanks. > > Try FTP-ing at pub-info.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.6.2) (simple dir-structure) and ames.arc.nasa.gov at /pub/SPACE/GIF and /pub/SPACE/JPEG sorry only 8 bits gifs and jpegs :-( great piccy's though (try the *x.gif files they're semi-huge gif89a files) ^^-watch out gif89a dead ahead!!! Good-luck (good software to be found out-there too) Jurriaan JHWITTEN@CS.RUU.NL -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- |----=|=-<- - - - - - JHWITTEN@CS.RUU.NL- - - - - - - - - - - - ->-=|=----| |----=|=-<-Jurriaan Wittenberg- - -Department of ComputerScience->-=|=----| |____/|\_________Utrecht_________________The Netherlands___________/|\____| ";1;1 "From: Daniel Salber Subject: Quadras VRAM Question X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 23:22:27 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: planet Organization: IMAG Institute, Grenoble, France X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 Lines: 28 Hi there, I have a question regarding Quadras VRAM. I have tried to find info on this but I could not get precise answers. On one hand, we have a Quadra 950 with a 16"" monitor, which is capable of 32-bit color. How much VRAM does it have? On the other hand, we have a Quadra 800 with a 16"" monitor, which is capable of 8-bit color only, so it must have 512 Ko of VRAM. I would like to take VRAM SIMMs for the 950 and put them in the 800 so that both machines have 16-bit color capability. Is it possible, and if yes, how many VRAM SIMMs should I take from the 950? From the documentation I have, the Quadra 800 must get 1 Mo VRAM to have 16-bit color, is that correct? Bonus question: where do VRAM SIMMs hide? From the 950 documentation, they seem to be *behind* the power supply. Do I really have to take off the power supply to access the VRAM SIMMs? Thanks for your help! -- Daniel Salber, User Interface Research Team, LGI-IMAG, Grenoble, France. salber@imag.fr ";-1;0 "From: oehler@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Eric Oehler) Subject: Translating TTTDDD to DXF or Swiv3D. Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.020751.13389 Distribution: usa Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 8 I am a Mac-user when it comes to graphics (that's what I own software and hardware for) and I've recently come across a large number of TTTDDD format modeling databases. Is there any software, mac or unix, for translating those to something I could use, like DXF? Please reply via email. Thanx. Eric Oehler oehler@picard.cs.wisc.edu ";-1;0 "From: ayari@judikael.loria.fr (Ayari Iskander) Subject: NHLPA poll (Stats/2nd uptade) Organization: Crin - Inria-Lorraine Lines: 40 2nd uptade: Here are the standings for the poll after 29 votes: 5 points for 1st, 4 for 2nd,... 1 point for 5th: EA/ NHLPA game 1. DET 78 2. CHI 67 3. VAN 60 4. NY 59 5. MTL 54 6. PIT 23 7. WAS 20 8. BOS 17 9..QUE 9 10.CAL 8 11.ASW 7 12.LA 5 TOR 5 14.ASE 4 WIN 4 16.BUF 3 PHI 3 18.SJ 2 19.MIN 1 OTW 1 Atlanta to win Turner Cup 1 (not in the game, but 1 person vote) Continue to send your votes in this format (until April 20th, approximately) ------------------------------------------------ 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. ------------------------------------------------ __ ";13;1 "From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Subject: Re: PostScript on X-terminal Lines: 42 Reply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Organization: Trent University I tried to e-mail you but it bounced so... Hi there, In article <4263@his.UUCP> you write: >From: sp1henhj@edit (Henrik Balthazar Hjort) >Subject: PostScript on X-terminal > > > I have a problem when I'm using PostScript. When I am working local >on a SUN SPARCstaton IPC the PostScript works good, but when I connect >to the SUN from a X-terminal I just get error messages that the >PostScript cannot connect to the news-display. > > Why doesn't PostScript work on an X-terminal? > > Is there any way to make it work? > It might be that the X terminal doesn't support the ""Postscript Extensions to X"" product. I use the 'dxpsview' program on a DECstation 5000 to view postscript files but when I moved to an NCD X terminal, I couldn't use it any more. So I ftp'd and compiled GhostScript (GNU software). Now we can view postscript files on our X terminals. Hope this helps. Grant > > Henrik ""Henrik Hjort"" Hjort > > > > -- Grant Totten, Programmer/Analyst, Trent University, Peterborough Ontario GTotten@TrentU.CA Phone: (705) 748-1653 FAX: (705) 748-1246 ======================================================================== Take everything in stride. Trample anyone who gets in your way. ";-1;0 "From: marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Kevin Marshall) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >If Saddam believed in God, he would pray five times a >day. > >Communism, on the other hand, actually committed genocide in the name of >atheism, as Lenin and Stalin have said themselves. These two were die >hard atheist (Look! A pun!) and believed in atheism as an integral part >of communism. No, Bobby. Stalin killed millions in the name of Socialism. Atheism was a characteristic of the Lenin-Stalin version of Socialism, nothing more. Another characteristic of Lenin-Stalin Socialism was the centralization of food distribution. Would you therefore say that Stalin and Lenin killed millions in the name of rationing bread? Of course not. >More horrible deaths resulted from atheism than anything else. In earlier posts you stated that true (Muslim) believers were incapable of evil. I suppose if you believe that, you could reason that no one has ever been killed in the name of religion. What a perfect world you live in, Bobby. >One of the reasons that you are atheist is that you limit God by giving >God a form. God does not have a ""face"". Bobby is referring to a rather obscure law in _The Good Atheist's Handbook_: Law XXVI.A.3: Give that which you do not believe in a face. You must excuse us, Bobby. When we argue against theism, we usually argue against the Christian idea of God. In the realm of Christianity, man was created in God's image. -- |""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| | Kevin Marshall Sophomore, Computer Science | | Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA USA marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu | |____________________________________________________________________| ";-1;0 "From: m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov (Michael T. Palmer) Subject: re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: oldtown.larc.nasa.gov In article clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: >Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on > a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation... [etc] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\ Great... nice choice of bad guys to convince everyone how ""bad"" unrestricted encryption is. Why not use a child molester instead? Of course, the word *suspect* is never used here, so I guess these people have already been convicted and are operating this drug ring from their jail cells. How about *this* question instead? Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on a political opponent of a senior administration official and intercepts a conversation... Kinda changes your interpretation of the event, doesn't it? And yes, the presence of the Clipper Chip DOES change things, because it will not only give the people talking on the phone a false sense of security, it will also give federal law enforcement agencies the justification to deny use of strong encryption methods that are inconvenient to them. Dang it all, it's SUPPOSED to be inconvenient (but not impossible). That's the ONLY sure way to make sure that abuses are minimized while still allowing legitimate law enforcement access. >Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure > how strong the security is? > >A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption > systems readily available today. While the algorithm will > remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow > system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of > cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all > potential users that there are no unrecognized > vulnerabilities. Uh huh... sure. I predict that within two months (weeks?) of the chip's debut, the full technical details will be posted to sci.crypt. And if this has ANY impact on the security of the key escrow system, then we've been lied to. Any cryptosystem worth its salt can withstand the light of public scrutiny, and there is NO WAY you can be sure that an algorithm has no ""unrecognized vulnerabilities"" unless you have half the world trying to break it for a decade or so. Even then, you gotta be careful. Michael T. Palmer | ""A man is crazy who writes a secret in any m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov | other way than one which will conceal it RIPEM key on server | from the vulgar."" - Roger Bacon, 1220-1292 ";-1;0 "From: Marc VanHeyningen Subject: Re: freely distributable public key cryptography c++ code: where? Organization: Computer Science Dept, Indiana University Lines: 43 Thus said ee92jks@brunel.ac.uk (Jonathan K Saville): >D. Wigglesworth (smhanaes@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca) wrote: > >: Do you know of any freely distributable c++ (or c) code for public >: key cryptography (such as RSA)? > >: I've tried various archie searches to no avail. > >Have you heard of PGP? I assume from your post that you have not. PGP 2.2 >is a freeware RSA encryption program which includes digital signatures and >comprehensive key management facilities. Most sites also keep the source code. >A growing number of people are using this excellent software to encrypt (to >a very high standard) their email and data. Get it before Clinton outlaws it. > >Two of the many sites are: > rsa.com /pub/pgp > soda.berkeley.edu /pub/cypherpunks/pgp PGP is not available on the archive site rsa.com. If it were, it would be highly amusing, since rsa.com (actually Public Key Partners, but it's the same entity) is the organization holding the patents which they claim are violated if you actually ""make, use or sell"" PGP. I believe those patents also apply in Canada, but I'm not a patent lawyer or anything. There is no such thing as freely redistributable code for RSA which can be used in North America without legal entanglements. You may wish to consider RSAREF, however, which *is* available from the FTP site rsa.com in /rsaref but probably doesn't meet your definition of ""freely redistributable"" (it's readily available in source, in C, and does RSA, MD5, etc. and comes with a license allowing noncommercial use. Like any other strong crypto software, it's not exportable legally. It can be modified with permission from RSADSI, which a number of people have received in the past.) For reasons that aren't entirely clear to me, RSA says that only U.S. people should take RSAREF from its server, although there aren't ITAR issues regarding Canada. The RIPEM distribution site (ripem.msu.edu) has RSAREF in its distribution, and is OK for Canadians. -- Marc VanHeyningen mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu MIME & RIPEM accepted ""Barney the Dinosaur is simply Rush Limbaugh in a Dinosaur Suit."" - Lost Boy ";-1;0 "From: nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Lines: 9 I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives; in fact the only loop that worked was the ""Macintosh Software"" loop (whatever that means). --Mark ";-1;0 "From: cse0080@desire.wright.edu (John C. Hansen) Subject: Borland Software for sale - CHEAP! Organization: Wright State University Lines: 22 For Sale: Turbo Pascal 5.5 - all original manuals and disks: $30 obo + shipping Borland Paradox 3.5 with tall boxed manual set & Kallista desktop - all original disks. $50 obo + shipping Borland Paradox 4.0 - opened but never used. All manuals & disks. $125 obo + shipping Borland Quattro Pro 4.0 (DOS) all manuals & disks. $40 obo + shipping E-mail or phone if interested. John Hansen (513) 257-6084 -- John C. Hansen hansen@logdis1.hq.aflc.af.mil ""... I am working on cse0080@wsu.bitnet a suitable quote..."" cse0080@desire.wright.edu - John Hansen ";-1;0 "From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 44 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) writes: > If there are many as..., er, people in the USA who reason like the > above, then it should not be surprising that the current plot has been > allowed to happen... The willingness of the majority of the people to give up their freedom in exchange for a sense of safety is hardly limited to the USA, and is an endemic problem in any human society of any appreciable size. The structure of the US government does try to combat this tendency to some extent, but fighting entropy is always a losing battle. Most people would rather have comfort than freedom. The paradox is that you can't really have the former, in the long term, unless you have the latter. One of the reasons that I probably come across to some people as a weird cross between a libertarian and an ""establishment tool"" is that I end up taking an utterly pragmatic view of government. I don't get up in arms when the government fails to protect the interests of the people, because in my lifetime it never has--therefore, I have no expectation that it will. As a result, I protect my own interests rather than expecting the government to be ""fair"". I will use strong cryptography when I think it is needed, whether or not it is legal at the time. Same thing with anything else the government would rather not see in private hands--that's their problem. What's important to me is using the right tool for the job. If it's legal, so much the better. If it is not, but does not violate my (very strong) sense of personal ethics, I will use it anyway as long I think it is worth it. Expecting the government to actually protect the interests of its citizens, except by accident, is utter folly. Even Jefferson, one of the major architects of the American system of government, figured that in a couple hundred years it would become so corrupt and self-serving that it would be time dismantle it and try again, by revolution if necessary. I agree, and while I don't go around trying to spark one, I'll certainly participate if it happens when I'm around. There is a reason I am such a strong supporter of individual rights while being so cynical about politics. I've already written off politics. And yes, this may get me in trouble some day. If so, so be it. I drive faster than 55 MPH, too. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation ";-1;0 "From: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus) Subject: Cryptology in the world Keywords: cryptology international restrictions Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 10 What is the status of cruptology for private citizens throughout the world? or, more clearly, is there a listing of countries and their policies on citizens encrypting electronic data? I'm curious how the Europeans handle this, for instance. -- <><><><><><><><><><>James Holthaus james-holthaus@uiowa.edu<><><><><><><><><> < Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us. > < -- Leo Tolstoy > <><><><><>PGP 2.2 Public key available on request or from key server<><><><><> ";-1;0 "From: clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 17 In ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner) writes: >Look in the /pub/SPACE directory on ames.arc.nasa.gov - there are a number >of earth images there. You may have to hunt around the subdirectories as >things tend to be filed under the mission (ie, ""APOLLO"") rather than under >the image subject. > For those of you who don't need 24 bit, I got a 32 colour Amiga IFF of a cloudless Earth (scanned). Looks okay when mapped on a sphere. E-mail me and I'll send it you... Louis -- I'm hanging on your words, Living on your breath, Feeling with your skin, Will I always be here? -- In Your Room [ DM ] ";-1;0 "From: leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Lines: 33 In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes: >In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: >> >>Dear friend, >> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has >>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase >>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >>computer architecture for more information about RISC. > >hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember >reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. >The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not >as orthogonal is CISC. > >-- >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Some people say it's fun, but I think it's very serious. | >| eugene@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au | >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer. That's why everyone is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC. Personally, I think CISC will win out. Just take a look at the Pentium! (Not that I like Intel architectures either, but that's another story...) bye! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian ""Hojo"" Lee | ""Hey, excuse me miss, could I have a .GIF of you?"" leebr@ecf.toronto.edu | leebr@eecg.toronto.edu | (try Linux... the best and free UN*X clone!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: dreier@jaffna.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department. Lines: 59 <1qmtd1INNr1l@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: jaffna.berkeley.edu In-reply-to: gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca's message of 16 Apr 1993 18:20:17 GMT In article <1qmtd1INNr1l@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes: In article <1993Apr16.160228.24945@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes: > >In article 9088@blue.cis.pitt.edu, jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes: > >>Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from >>an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than >>Jaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a >>decent year (although it didn't live up to the expectations of some). > >Bowman tended to overplay Francis at times because he is a Bowman-style >player. He plays hard at all times, doesn't disregard his defensive >responsibilities and is a good leader. Bowman rewarded him be increasing his >ice time. > >Jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a ""me first"" attitude. >This rubbed Bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time. > >Throughout the year, Francis consistently recieved more ice time than >Jagr. Althouhg I have never seen stats on this subject, I am pretty >sure that Jagr had more points per minute played that Francis. When >you add to that Jagr's better +/- rating, I think it becomes evident >that Jagr had a better season- not that Francis had a bad one. > Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to flaunt your ignorance at all cost. Jagr did not have a better season than Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of hockey knowledge. Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available. Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its ""quality"" (i.e., is the player put out in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up against the other team's top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications. Thank you for posting this. As the person who first brought up the fact that Jagr has a much higher +/- than Francis, I can assure you that I brought it up as an example of the absurdity of +/- comparisons, even on the same team. I never, ever thought that anyone would argue that Jagr's higher +/- actually reflected better two-way play. In my opinion, Francis's low +/- is purely a result of him being asked to play against opponents top scorers at all times; the fact that he can chip in 100 points while neutralizing the other team's top center is a testament to how valuable he is, even if his +/- suffers. On the other hand, Jagr, for how big, fast and skilled he is, can't even get 90 points, no matter how inflated his +/- is. (By the way, don't get me wrong -- I like Jagr. He may be a lazy floater, but he turns it on at exactly the right times -- like overtime of playoff games). -- Roland Dreier dreier@math.berkeley.edu ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Millitello update Distribution: usa <1993Apr14.175343.3431@alleg.edu> Lines: 10 In article <1993Apr14.175343.3431@alleg.edu>, millits@yankee.org (Sam Millitello) says: > >Uhhhh I think I spelled my name correctly. Sam Millitello. > uhhhh there are only three l's. bob vesterman. ";-1;0 "From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison) Subject: TCD-D3 DAT Walkman For Sale Summary: I am backing out because someone is selling me another Keywords: Digital Audio Tape Sony TCD-D3 DAT Walkman Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 64 I recently backed out of purchasing an almost-unused Sony TCD-D3 DAT Walkman, having found someone else who has a unit I personally prefer (and am paying more for). However, it's still a heck of a machine for the price -- it is quite rugged, and many people out there swear by it. (It's probably the most popular walkman-style DAT machine out there.) Anyway, the guy selling it is Bryan Davis (bdavis@netcom.com), and here's what he told me: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is what is included: - TCD-D3 DATman. - (2) RCA to Stereo 1/8"" plug cables. One for analog input, one for analog output. - Optical digital I/O cable (one lead for input, one for output). - A copy of my sales receipt with a note about your purchase. The unit is still under factory warrantee. - AC adaptor/battery charger. - Rechargable battery. I paid $750 + tax for it so I hope you don't mind if I keep the 60 minute tape it came with (I have some samples on it!). [By the way, he spent at least $100 too much for it, unless he's including an extended warranty, which is advised for DAT machines, since it costs about $300 to replace the head when it wears out, and it probably will within 5 years if you use it a lot.. -- davisonj] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not going to quote my sale price for him: that would not be nice. Send him mail and ask him what he wants. Again, I've used the TCD-D3, and I have to say that I can certainly understand why it is as popular as it is. I've been using one for a little while, and although I had some problems with it recently, I should also point out that the particular one I was using had been on the road for two years and had truly been _used_ during that time. (This is the same exact DAT machine that was lugged around the U.S. and Canada to record the Jazz Butcher Conspiracy for their recent live album.) Bryan Davis says: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know at least half a dozen professional musicians and record labels in S.F who use that model (and have been for a while) with no reported problem. My problem is that everyone I know already has one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'nuff said. The reason I'm not getting it is that I found someone else selling me a unit that features phono-plug SPDIF I/O instead of optical (I don't have any optical ports on my equipment, but you, the reader, might), and it also has some other bells & whistles that the TCD-D3 doesn't. (I am also paying more for the alternative.) Note that phono-plug-to-optical SPDIF adapters are available if you absolutely must have one. Of course, it has SCMS. All consumer decks do. (So do Sony Minidiscs, by the way.) Anyway, if you're interested, get in touch with bdavis@netcom.com. -- John Davison davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu ";-1;0 "From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Subject: Re: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 30 In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: >The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents >of those files. >So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: >1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps? Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter? Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on. >2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ? Paranoia? >3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an > additional information should he send them ? The names of half the posters on this forum, unless they already have them. > > >Gideon Ehrlich -anwar ";-1;0 "From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 15 Hi Netters, I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. Can you please offer some recommendations? I'll also need contact info (name, address, email...) if you can find it. Thanks (Please Post Your Responses, in case others have same need) Bob Carpenter ";-1;0 "From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA Distribution: na Lines: 53 In <1993Apr17.032828.14262@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: :It occurs to me that if they get a wiretap order on you, and the escrow :houses release your code to the cops, your code is now no longer secure. A very good point! :It's in the hands of cops, and while I am sure most of the time they are :good, their security will not be as good as the escrow houses. Why should we expect the cops to be honest! They're underpaid for the risks they face every day. The media dumps on the all the time and blames them for all sorts of discrimination, brutality.... How can we expect them to be more than human? Besides there are lots of cases of police abuses ranging from protection scams to outright robbery (when I worked in D.C. there was a breakin at a local Radio Shack and the alarm company heard the cops responding to the call over the audio pickup in the store:-). :What this effectively means is that if they perform a wiretap on you, :at the end of the wiretap, they should be obligated to inform you that :a tap was performed, and replace (for free) the clipper chip in your :cellular phone so that it is once again a code known only to the :escrow houses. Then you would know that Big Brother had been listening. Does he really want to let you know? :Do the police normally reveal every tap they do even if no charges are :laid? In many ways, it would be a positive step if they had to. :Judges set time limits on warrants, I assume. At the end of the time :limit they should have to renew or replace your chip. :That's if we go with this scheme, which I am not sure I agree with. I'm completely against anything that makes it easier for the government to encroach on the rights of individuals. The founders of this country spent a lot of effort limiting the power of the government and specifying exactly what the governments rights were (and this didn't include a gov't spy in every bedroom). IMHO, there are entirely too many things going on today designed to preserve the government organism at the expense of individuals. Look around and reread 1984 and many early Heinlein books. Aren't there many parallels between the thought police (can you spell Waco Texas?), and Heinlein's ``Crazy Years''? Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software UUCP: ...!thebes!camco!bill 6641 East Mercer Way uunet!camco!bill Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591 SPEED COSTS MONEY -- HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO? ";-1;0 "From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press. Short notes. Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500345:000:1466 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 16:51:00 1993 Lines: 39 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press. Short notes. /* Written 4:43 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ /* ---------- ""From Israeli press. Short notes."" ---------- */ FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS Hadashot, 14 March 1993: The Israeli Police Department announced on the evening of Friday, March 12 that it is calling upon [Jewish] Israeli citizens with gun permits to carry them at all times ""so as to contribute to their security and that of their surroundings"". Ha'aretz, 15 March 1993: Yehoshua Matza (Likud), Chair of the Knesset Interior Committee, stated that he intends to demand that the police department make it clear to the public that anyone who wounds or kills [non-Jewish] terrorists will not be put on trial. Ha'aretz, 16 March1993: Today a private security firm and units from the IDF Southern Command will begin installation of four magnetic gates in the Gaza strip, as an additional stage in the upgrading of security measures in the Strip. The gates will aid in the searching of [non-Jewish] Gaza residents as they leave for work in Israel. They can be used to reveal the presence of knives, axes, weapons and other sharp objects. In addition to the gates, which will be operated by a private civilian company, large quantities of magnetic-card reading devices are being brought to the inspection points, to facilitate the reading of the magnetic cards these [non-Jewish] workers must carry. ";-1;0 "From: dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book) Subject: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games Organization: UC San Diego Chemistry Lines: 62 Distribution: world Reply-To: dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book) NNTP-Posting-Host: sdchemw2.ucsd.edu Keywords: sound stereo, Quadra, 900, PowerBook, 170 Hi. I think I have a problem with the stereo sound output on my Quadra 900, but I am not totally sure because my roomate has the same problem on his PowerBook 170. Any info or experience anyopne has would be greatly appreciated. When I hook my Quadra up to my home stereo system, the following types of sounds (mono, as far as I can tell) all play fine through BOTH speakers: system beeps (already provided ones such as Indigo and ones I record) Armor Alley Spectre Spaceward Ho! But, the following games only play out of the left channel: Lemmings Out of This World (awesome game, BTW) Glider 4.0 OIDS But still, STEREO system beeps do play in stereo, through BOTH speakers. (The one I'm specifically referrring to is Apocolyptic Beginning, which my roommate downloaded from some ftp site (sumex?)) All of the symptoms are the same on my rommates 170 (he can't run OOTW because he doesn't have color). We're both running system 7.1 Does anyone with Lemmings or the other three games I mentioned above get sound out of both speakers on a Mac II class, Quadra, LC, PowerBook 140 or greater, Centris, SE/30, etc... (stereo) machine? I used to have a Mac II, and I sort of rememeber Lemmings playing in stereo on that machine, not just on the left channel. (I could be mistaken, though. If there were a problem with the Quad 900's and PB 170's, I am wondering why the system beeps still play in stereo? If there isn't a problem with our machines, I wonder why the 4 games above are apparantly written to support only one channel of stereo when they could just use mono sounds so the mono sound would at least come out of both speakers (like Spectre, etc. do)? Quadra 900's and PowerBook 170's have the same ROMS (to my knowledge), so maybe this is a ROM problem? (if so, though, why wouldn't System 7.1 patch over this problem?) Thanks for any help you can provide! Doug Book dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu ";-1;0 "From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Its still cold, but... Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 >> >> One thing is certain, though, its still too cold. After about 40 >> minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while. Be VERY careful about this. If youre really cold the muffler will feel fine till you leave all the charred skin on it when you peel your hands off - I speak from experience. You can also do all kindsa (Americanism of the day) damage to your circulation warming hands up on something too hot. By far the best (fastest and safest) way to do it is to shove the hands up the opposit sleeves and stand there like a Ming emporer for a while. Five minutes should do it. ";-1;0 "From: jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] X-Face: uPIE),q]+zmF49L%(pdE;nX/8$/J22&&&C@_)8BouYx42Y--?*,\]*MIeTY#mCM(x>FyD@+0D-Jm]S_8lxop(Q-$L#~b8!ha;eF[b+GOLyu<]4$"">NeVymJ@F#M?1O`ue4,h4`2S^KGjmP%no(d,: Organization: Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric Lines: 22 brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton): }And yes, this has to be a public key system or it would be almost }impossible to handle. It might not be RSA, but that does not mean }that PKP doesn't get paid. Until 1997, PKP has the patent on the }general concept of public key encryption, as well as the particular }implementation known as RSA. Hmm, my first thought was that they're using Diffie-Hellman exponential session key exchange, or an equivalent. However, the Diffie-Hellman patent, like the Hellman-Merkle one on public key systems, claims all equivalents, so the basic point stands. Interestingly, a quote from Jim Bidzos showed up in the media real soon after the announcement, and he sounded very pissed. Maybe he hadn't yet realized that PKP might have just struck gold? All they have to do is get someone to admit the general scheme that the Clipper uses. --- Jef Jef Poskanzer jef@netcom.com jef@well.sf.ca.us ""An object never serves the same function as its image - or its name."" -- Rene Magritte ";-1;0 "From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: Plus minus stat... Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 33 In article 1443@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >Certainly pluggers are an integral part of any team. And that is >simply because there are not enough solid two-way players to go >around. Who would you rather have as your ""checking"" centre? Doug >Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would take either Gretzky >or Mario as my ""checking"" centres. Do you think Gretzky could cover >Bob Gainey? Gretzky, Lemieux, Gilmour etc do not play the role of checking centreman. They play an offensive role as opposed to a defensive one. If they were used as defensive centres it would be a waste of their offensive abilities. When you compare Gretzky et al to Jarvis, Gainey etc you are comparing apples and oranges. It is like me telling you that Felix Potvin isn't very good because a team would be better if the had Lemieux instead of him. Sure Lemieux is a better player, but he is a different type of player. For a team to be successful, they need to have all types of players- this includes defensive forwards. When compared with other defensive forwards, Bob Gainey is the greatest defensive forward ever. He is the player who's talents best suited being a defensive forward- who completely dominated the game when he played. Maybe if a more talented player such as Gretzky had decided to waste his offensive talents and play defensively, he could have been a better defensive forward, but he wasn't. Bob Gainey is the best defensive forward that has ever played hockey. Gregmeister ";-1;0 "From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: ""The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"" Lines: 83 ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). You really belong to the 25-30% of ignorants in USA who don't know what the Holocaust (""Shoa"" should be the real word) was. First you write in Message-ID: <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 20:36:20 GMT > I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in > reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering ^^^^^^^ and later, as somebody informed you about your gross mistake, you write in Message-ID: <1993Apr25.181351.1373@Virginia.EDU> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 18:13:51 GMT > First let me correct myself in that it was Goerbels and ^^^^^^^^ > not Goering (Airforce) who ran the Nazi propaganda machine. instead of Joseph GOEBBELS. And you dare to say that you ""know more about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including ""us"")"" ? I'm sure you learned the history of Nazi Germany AND Austria from your family. > What I resent is ignorant statements that call people > names when they disagree with your position. Opposing the > atrocities commited by the Israeli governement hardly qualifies > as anti-semitism. If you think name calling is a valid form of > argument in intellectual circles, you need to get out more > often. Trying to make comparisons between Israels politics and Nazi German- Austrian politics shows only your degree of ignorance (high), intellect (low), humanity (none) and antisemitism (average). I respect anybody who dissagrees with me as long as he respects me and discusses in a civilized manner. I would never say that anybody that critizises Israel and/or its politics is an antisemite, except he uses antisemitic vocabulary/terminology/demagogy. Israel is not a perfect country and its politicians also commits errors, even some of them are corrupt (like politicians in any other country), but they carry a huge burden: to care for the safety of ALL its citizens, and that is really not an easy task in a country that is surrounded by enemies who only expect that Israel commits the ONE BIG ERROR and wipe the country (and its Jewish citizens plus the so-called collaborators, arabs that wanted to live in peace with their Jewish neighbours) of the map. As I said, Israel is not a perfect country, but it is the ONLY democracy in the whole Middle-East and the only country in the world where Jews from everywhere can have a refuge in case of persecutions in the countries they are living. Our long history has taught us that we cannot rely on non-Jewish nations and its governments: as soon as there are more or les big social-economical-political problems in any country, the first ones that pay for the broken glasses are the Jews, and later the other minorities of the country. > I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is > not appreciated. This is really outrageous: 6.000.000 murdered Jews, besides the thousands who survived the Shoa in some way or another, and the rest of the living ones mourning for all of them ! I don't know what you call a ""Civil Libertarian"" (never heard about them) but I know only one thing: if all of them think like you do it, then ""Civil Libertarians"" is a new denomination for Antisemites. May other Civil Libertarians come to word to this group so that we can learn if A.Beyer and me are right (that Civil Libertarians are Antisemites), or that I'm wrong and he is missusing that word. BTW, I couldn't care less for what Andi Beyer appreciates. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manfredo Tichauer M. EMAIL : tichauer@valpso.hanse.de Opitzstrasse 14 VOICE : (++ 49 40) 27.42.27 2000 Hamburg 60 - GERMANY FAX : (++ 49 40) 270.53.09 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: k8gj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu Subject: Impreza, Altima, or What?? Distribution: rec Organization: Cornell University Lines: 14 A friend of mine is cnsidering buying a new car, and is considering the Subaru Impreza or the Nissan Altima right now. Which of these two cars would you recommend. We definately want an airbag and ABS, and room for tall people and long legs. If you have other suggestions for cars under $13K after dealing I'd be interested in you opinions as well. PLEASE send replies to sem1@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu, no tthis address. THANKS! Scott ";-1;0 "From: siegfried_r@spcvxb.spc.edu Subject: Re: More on ADL spying case Organization: St. Peter's College, US Lines: 36 In article , arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes: > Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1. > NEW DETAILS OF EXTENSIVE ADL SPY OPERATION EMERGE > SAN FRANCISCO -- To the outside world, Roy Bullock was a small-time > art dealer who operated from his house in the Castro District. In > reality, he was an undercover spy who picked through garbage and > amassed secret files for the Anti-Defamation League for nearly 40 > years. > ..... > The Anti-Defamation League, a self-described Jewish defense and civil > rights organization, acknowledges it has long collected information on > groups that are anti-Semitic, extremist or racist. The ADL's > fact-finding division, headed by Irwinn Suall in New York, enjoys a > reputation for thoroughness and has often shared its information with > police agencies and journalists. There is something almost comical in the fact that Yigal Arens is important enough to have the ADL and G-d knows who else sifting through his garbage (which happens to be legal; you throw it out, it ain't yours any more). This brings to mind a few possibilities other than the ADL connection: - it is all in Arens' mind. - Bullock may have been working for Arens' friend in the PLO - Arens' father (or is it brother?) Moshe Arens (former Israeli Defense Minister) was spying on him. - Arens hired Bullock to spy on him to get attention. In any case, who cares? Robert Siegfried Computer Science Dept. Saint Peter's College Jersey City, NJ 07306 siegfried_r@spcvxa.spc.edu ";-1;0 "From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 23 In article mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes: >I have seen the claims, but I don't know if there are any >authenticated cases of people making prolonged speeches in >real languages they don't know. From my observations, ""speaking >in tongues"" in practice has nothing at all do with this. I have a simple test. I take several people who can speak only one language (e.g. chinese, russian, german, english). Then I let the ""gifted one"" start ""speaking in toungues"". The audience should understand the ""gifted one"" clearly in their native language. However, the ""gifted one"" can only hear himself speaking in his own language. Works everytime. 8-) Perhaps I would believe the ""gifted ones"" more if they were glorifying God rather than themselves. Then perhaps we'd witness a real miracle. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | The Lost Los Angelino | ";17;1 "From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) Subject: Re: Gun Lovers (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group Lines: 35 >Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing >that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is >that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. You're getting warmer. The 'little thing in the trigger' has to be depressed before the trigger can move. What this means is the damned thing won't go off until the trigger is pulled. This makes it just about (there HAVE been some problems, but we're assuming the gun is functioning correctly..) as safe as a revolver. The gun when working correctly is totally drop safe. Now, in police work this is a consideration. There is not a single documented case I'm aware of where a police officer was killed because he failed to operate the safety on his firearm. There are quite a few documented cases where criminals got hold of the cops gun and couldn't figure out how to get the safety off in time to use the gun, thus the proprietary nature of the safety (to the criminal at least) very likely prevented the office from getting shot. The purpose of a safety is to make the gun safe from unintentional fire. This does not mean it should be so complicated as to slow down intentional use! Thus the Glock safety is perfectly adequate from a 'safety' standpoint, but not necessarily the most desirable from the standpoint of open carry where it is easily grabbed by somebody else. By this criteria it DOES make a lot of sense as a concealed carry piece. From the standpoint of police use, it is no better (or worse) than a revolver as far as being 'proprietary' to the officer in the method of firing it. The ideal solution may someday be biometric sensing of the user so that the firearm can't be used by anybody but it's owner, but for now the wide variety of safety systems helps, unless the criminal happens to be familiar with that particular type of firearm. Rick. ";-1;0 "From: daves@xetron.com (Dave Steele) Subject: Whither QuickDraw Performance (across product line) Organization: Xetron Corp. Lines: 21 My company has developed an application for the Mac that emulates a chart recorder - virtual pen traces scroll smoothly across the screen. As we tested the application on a number of computers we discovered some surprising performance differences across products. The scroll performance of the IIsi and LCII was better than the IIfx. This led us to investigate Color Quickdraw performance across the Apple line. The results: The fastest QuickDraw color performing computer Apple makes is the (drumroll please) LCIII. And the Color Classic ranks right up there with the Quadra line. The Centris line pales in comparison. Does anybody know the differences in these computers that explains the disparity in graphics/processor performance? Dave Steele (daves@xetron.com) (513)881-3330 Xetron Corp. 40 W. Crescentville Road Cincinnati, Ohio 45246 ";-1;0 "From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) Subject: Pens playoff radio coverage (was:Re: Radio stations) Keywords: KDKA, WDVE, KBL Nntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 42 In article ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: >greanias@texas.mitre.org (Steve Greanias) writes: > >I can give you a couple. In Detroit, WJR (760) will be broadcasting >at least the first couple of games of the Wings-Toronto series, and >since they broadcast at 50000 Watts, you may be able to pick it up >after dark where you are at. The Pittsburgh Penguins games used to be >broadcast on KDKA 1020, but I don't know whether they will be pre-empted >by baseball (and moved to another station) or not. You can try those >if the local baseball teams aren't playing at the same time, anyway. According to this morning's Post-Gazette: The Pens will be carried by KDKA-Radio(1020 am), unless the Pirates are playing. When the Pirates play, the games will be carried by WDVE(102.5 fm). WDVE will carry 12 games, starting with tonight's game. In fact, after this season, KDKA will no longer be the flagship station for the Pens. The Penguins and KBL have struck a new deal regarding the TV and radio rights to the games. It seems more than likely that WDVE will be the flagship radio station next season. KBL will carry 62 games on tv, with 17 of the games to be simulcast on KDKA-TV. The remaining 22 games, as well as some of the early round playoff games, will be available by ""subscription tv"" only. To receive the games, you'll have to pay a one time hook up fee, and then a monthly fee of $11-12 dollars. Also, under the new deal, there will no longer be radio/tv simulcasts. There will be a TV broadcast team, and a radio broadcast team. No word on who the announcers will be. Mike Lange and Paul Steigerwald are both under contract with KDKA, but their contracts expire at the end of this season. KBL President Bill Craig said he'd like to hire Lange and Steigerwald. Lori Contact for the Penguins lli+@cs.cmu.edu ";13;1 "From: cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu (Brian Cherkauer) Subject: Re: IIvx -> C650 Upgrade Question Distribution: comp Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science Lines: 18 In article jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes: >If you get teh IIvx ->C650 upgrade, does it include a new sticker to >cover the IIvx identifier with a Centris 650 indetifier? I can't say for sure with the IIvx -> C650 upgrade, but I wondered the same thing when I ordered my LC -> LC III upgrade. Turns out the ""upgrade"" is actually an entire CPU minus any disk drives. You pull the floppy and hard drives out of the old one, stick them in the new one, and you've got an LC III. The IIvx -> C650 may be the same thing. It might be something to look into for those people who are unhappy that Apple only sells Macs pre-packaged with the drives. Of course, the price is quite a bit higher without the trade-in... (-Brian cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu ";0;1 "From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: Freezing and Riding Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 >every spec of alertness to keep from getting squished, otherwise it's not >only dangerous, it's unpleasant. The same goes for cold and fatigue, as I >once took a half hour nap at a gas station to insure that I would make it Yeah, hypothermia is MUCH more detrimemtal to your judgement and reactions than people realise. I wish I had the patience to stop when I should. One day I'll pay for it.... If you begin to shiver - STOP and warm up thoroughly. If you leave it till the shivering stops, this doesnt mean you're OK again, it means you're a danger to yourself and everyone else on the road - your brain and body are working about as fast as a tree grows. You will not realise this yourself till you hit something. The next stage is passing out. This usually means falling off. ";7;1 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: While Armenians are massacring innocent Azeri women and children... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 180 In article iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos Iacovou) writes: >>> Historically even the most uncivilized of peoples have exhibited >>> signs of compassion by allowing humanitarian aid to reach civilian >>> populations. Even the Nazis did this much. >>is the world community really so powerless? Where are all those human >>rights advocates? Where are all the decent people? Are we going to >>let this human tragedy go on and do nothing about it? The number >>of Azeris murdered by the terrorist Armenian army and its savage >>gangs is increasing. > News reporters make their living by providing stories, and there is > so way in hell that they are going to confuse the public with > what is happening in Armenia (a country that few know of), and > risk detracting people's interest from what is happening in Serbia. Then you must be living in an alternate universe. Where were they? An Appeal to Mankind During the last three years Azerbaijan and its multinational population are vainly fighting for justice within the limits of the Soviet Union. All humanitarian, constitutional human rights guaranteed by the UN Charter, Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Helsinki Agreements, Human Problems International Forums, documents signed by the Soviet Union - all of them are violated. The USSR's President, government bodies do not defend Azerbaijan though they are all empowered to take necessary measures to guarantee life and peace. The 140,000 strong army of Armenian terrorists with Moscow's tacit consent wages an undeclared war of annihilation against Azerbaijan. As a result, a part of Azerbaijan has been occupied and annexed, hundreds of people killed, thousands wounded. Some 200,000 Azerbaijanis have been brutally and inhumanly deported from the Armenian SSR, their historical homeland. Together with them 64,000 Russians and 22,000 Kurds have also been driven out, a part of them now settled in Azerbaijan. Some 40,000 Turkish-Meskhetians, Lezghins and representatives of other Caucasian nationalities who escaped from the Central Asia where the President and government bodies did not guarantee them the life and peace also suffered from these deportations. One of the scandalous vandalisms directed not only against Azerbaijan science but the world civilization as well is the Armenian extremists' destruction of the Karabakh scientific experimental base of The Institute of Genetics and Selection of the Academy of Sciences of the Azerbaijan SSR. We beg you for humanitarian help and political assistance, for the honour and dignity of 7 million Azerbaijanis are violated, its territory, culture and history are trampled, its people are shot. There is persistent negative image of Azerbaijanians abroad, and this defamation is spread over the whole world by Soviet mass media, Armenian lobby in the USSR and the United States. One of the myths is that all events allegedly involves and generated by interethnic collisions and religious intolerance while the truth is that all these shootings and recent events stem from the territorial claims of Armenia on Azerbaijan. It is a well documented fact that before the conflict there were no frictions between Armenians and Azerbaijanis on the issue of Karabakh. Hundreds and thousands Armenians placidly and calmly lived and worked in Azerbaijan land, had their representatives in all government bodies of the Azerbaijan SSR. We are for a united, indivisible, sovereign Azerbaijan, we are for a common Caucasian home proclaimed in 1918 by one of the founding fathers of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic - Muhammed Emin Rasulzade. But all these goals and expectations are trampled upon the Soviet leadership in favour of the Armenian expansionists encouraged by Moscow and intended to create a new '1,000 Year Reich' - the 'Great Armenia' - by annexing the neighboring lands. The world public opinion shed tears to save the whales, suffers for penguins dying out in the Antarctic Continent. But what about the lives of seven million human beings? If these people are Muslims, does it mean that they are less valuable? Can people be discriminated by their colour of skin or religion, by their residence or other attributes? All people are brothers, and we appeal to our brothers for help and understanding. This is not the first appeal of Azerbaijan to the world public opinion. Our previous appeals were unheard. However, we still carry the hope that the truth beyond the Russian and Armenian propaganda will one day reveal the extent of our suffering and stimulate at least as much help and compassion for Azerbaijan as tendered to whales and penguins. THE COMMITTEE FOR PEOPLE'S HELP TO KARABAKH (OF THE) ACADEMY OF SCIENCES OF THE AZERBAIJAN SSR > Everyone knows this, even the Turks know this, you know this. Give > us a time period when the world is currently boring, and what is > happening in Armenia would make front page headlines. Think I'm lying? > Take a look at what happened in Somalia. When did the press report > it to the world? But perhaps Turkiye should intervene in the affairs of the Caucasus in the name of peace and democracy. The Armenians are Christians, the Azerbaijanis are Moslems, and Islam is a religion especially unloved by the democrat-westernizers. Besides, at the root of this conflict lie the territorial claims on Azerbaijan, a consequence of which were the blood and suffering of innocent Azeri people, hundreds of thousands of refugees, and gross violations of human rights. Recently Armenians attacked the Azeri town of Khojaly and massacred thousands of Azeris. The Paris-based 'Association for Democracy and Human Rights in Azerbaijan' puts the number of Khojali victims at 3,145. Some of the dead were scalped and mutilated. This whole thing has now gone entirely too far. > Want to know what will bring the story in Armenia to the front > page? If the Russians move into the area with a shit load of tanks > THEN your human rights advocates will show up defending the Armenians. > Of course we can also be sure that the Russians won't show up with > any tanks, not with the problems they are having at home. They already did. The scenario and genocide staged by the Armenians 78 years ago in the Ottoman Empire is being reenacted again - this time in Azerbaijan. There are remarkable similarities between the plots, the perpetrators, and the underdogs. Report taken from The New York Times, Tuesday, March 3, 1992 MASSACRE BY ARMENIANS BEING REPORTED Agdam,Azerbaijan,March 2 (Reuters) - Fresh evidence emerged today of a massacre of civilians by Armenian militants in Nagorno-Karabakh, a predominantly Armenian enclave of Azerbaijan. The republic of Armenia reiterated denials that its militants had killed 1,000 people in the Azerbaijani populated town of Khojaly last week and massacred men, women and children fleeing the carnage across snow-covered mountain passes. But dozen of bodies scattered over the area lent credence to Azerbaijani reports of a massacre. Scalping Reported Azerbaijani officials and journalists who flew briefly to the region by helicopter brought back three dead children with the back of their heads blown off. They said shooting by Armenians has prevented them from retrieving more bodies. ""Women and children have been scalped,"" said Assad Faradshev, an aide to Nagorno-Karabakh's Azerbaijani Governor. ""When we began to pick up bodies, they began firing at us."" The Azerbaijani militia chief in Agdam, Rashid Mamedov, said: ""The bodies are lying there like flocks of sheep. Even the fascists did nothing like this."" Truckloads of Bodies Near Agdam on the outskirts of Nagorno-Karabakh, a Reuters photographer, Frederique Lengaigne, said she had seen two trucks filled with Azerbaijani bodies. ""In the first one I counted 35, and it looked as though there were as many in the second,"" she said. ""Some had their head cut off, and many had been burned. They were all men, and a few had been wearing khaki uniforms. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: phil@howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt) Subject: Re: com ports /modem/ mouse conflict -REALLY? Organization: Howtek, Inc. Reply-To: phil@howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt) X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr11.120848.493@wnbbs.nbg.sub.org> (comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,uw.pc.general,uw.pc.ibm,misc.forsale.computers.d,comp.dcom.modems,), oli@wnbbs.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Duesel) writes: ] Hi there, ] ] yuri@windy.Berkeley.EDU (Yuri Yulaev) writes: ] ] : I have 1s/1p/1g I/O card in my 386/40 PC. ] : When I plug in wang modem at com4,it works. If I change ] : it to com1- it doesn't. ] : Program ""chkport"" gives diagnostics like ""possible com /irq ] : conflict at com1"" (with mouse driver in memory). ] ] Since your IO-card only has one serial port - this should default to COM1 ? ] Under MS-DOS, you can't share IRQ's - so you'll have to set either your modem ] or your mouse to COM2 ... using different adresses and IRQ's. ] When you set two 'devices' onto the same IRQ - like COM1 and COM3 (or 2 and 4) ] - the 'latter' one will always win, i.e. if you have your mouse on COM1 and ] start using your modem on COM3, your modem should work - but your mouse will ] stop doing so, until reboot. ] ] It should be no problem, setting your modem to COM2 ? (you didn't write ] anything about other peripherals ...) ] ] I hope, it helped a bit .... By(t)e, Oli. ] ] Hi, I'm kind of new at the pc stuff. My machine has 4 serial ports. Com 1 and3 and 2 &4 share same IRQs. You mean I can't plug a mouse into Com1 and a modem into com3 and expect both to work? If Answer is NO, should I change IRQ's for com ports to be different? And, does it really matter which IRQ I set the ports too? Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Hunt ""Wherever you go, there you are!"" Howtek, Inc. Internet: phil@howtek.MV.COM uucp: {decvax|harvard}!mv!howtek!phil ";-1;0 "From: croley@magic.mcc.com (David Croley) Subject: Re: new encryption Organization: MCC Experimental Systems Lab Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr21.225435.6292@wam.umd.edu>, psionic@wam.umd.edu (Haywood J. Blowme) writes: |> As promised, I spoke today with the company mentioned in a Washington |> Times article about the Clipper chip announcement. The name of the company |> is Secure Communications Technology (Information will be given at the end |> of this message on how to contact them). |> |> ... |> |> His belief is that AT&T was made known of the clipper well before the |> rest of the industry. This is for several reasons, several of which are: |> This is a very good point. AT&T obviously knew and participated in the development of the Clipper chip. This amounts to unfair business practice and gives AT&T an early monopoly on the market [hopefully a non-existant market]. Other companies that compete with AT&T in the cellular market (Motorola, NEC, etc) have grounds to file a complaint over this. |> |> Right now the company is afraid that the new clipper chip will put them out |> of business. This is a very real possibility. So they really need help in |> stopping the clipper chip from becoming a standard. If you want to contact |> them, they can be reached at.. |> |> Secure Communications Technology |> 8700 Georgia Ave. Suite 302 |> Silver Spring, MD |> |> (301) 588-2200 |> |> ... It would seem that the one fact that the government has overlooked in this whole fiasco is the economic standpoint. As others have mentioned, the most difficulty the Clipper chip faces is an economic one. Let's face it, the average consumer doesn't care or know that the Clipper is a bad idea. If there is a perceived need for cellular encryption, then the companies will provide one. Most likely, a standard will emerge. But if the Clipper is too expensive (and $25 a chip is way too much) then they will develope their own or buy a cheaper one. I give SCT my full support, and hope the Clipper chip goes the way of the Beta video tape format. Also hope they get sued over re-using the name Clipper. -- ---------------------------------------Cyberspace:-------------------------- | David T. Croley | MCC - Exp Sys Lab | A place not real, no stone, no steel.| | croley@mcc.com | UT Austin, Texas | A ghost unseen...the world ""between"".| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mcclary@netcom.com (Michael McClary) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Committee to commemorate the WACO Ghetto Uprising Lines: 23 In article <1r0mtoINNa59@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes: >Gordon Storga writes: > >>Gentleman, are we also forgetting the near genocide of the Native American >>for the barbaric act of being ""heathen"" (i.e. a non-Christian) by a >>predominantly Christian government. That's a little over 200 years as I >>recall. I'd say that for the most part it was religious persecution >>(their religion dictated their lifestyle). > >This is a stretch. In fact, a great many of the persecuted Indians were >Christian, a great many. It would be simpler to state the obvious, that >white people wanted land the Indians dominated or threatened. I really >don't think the government cared a hill of beans about the Indians' religion. My Native American Girlfriend asks: ""If the government really doesn't 'care a hill of beans' about our religion, how come they're still busting us for it in Oregon, Washington, and a few other places? You'd be a Christian, too, if the U.S. Army marched you into church at gunpoint."" -- = = = = = = = = = = Michael McClary mcclary@netcom.com For faster response, address electronic mail to: michael@node.com ";-1;0 "From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) Subject: Re: Expose Events Organization: Oracle Europe Lines: 5 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Please excuse my previous posting. It was appended to this thread by accident. --> Robert ";12;1 "From: rcfec@westminster.ac.uk (James Holland) Subject: Re: Help Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 41 In article lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes: >Hi everyone, > I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know >that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet >hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools, >do you still think that just believing is enough?' some deleted >Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do) >as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James >in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out' > >Can anyone help me, this really bothers me. Dear Will, I've never replied on this thing before so I hope it gets thru ok. I had a few thoughts!: ""Faith on its own, if not accompanied by action is dead"" - James 2:17 Faith is both belief and action. If I say that I am a great swimmer but I never go swimming, am I really a swimmer? and will people believe that I am? Likewise if I say I'm a Christian but I never talk to God, am I really a Christian? My faith is demonstrated by my action. The fact that we talk to God proves we have faith. Satan believes in God but does not follow Him! In a similar vein, I have recently been challenged by 1John2:3-6 v3 says ""We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands"" I find this verse quite encouraging as it could imply that 'if we have come to know Him, then we'll obey His commands' cos He lives within us and we cannot help but obey what He says. I tend to feel that as we daily submit ourself to God He will keep changing us into the likeness of Jesus and His fruit and works will be automatically produced in our lives. Hope this helps. James Holland (rcfec@westminster.ac.uk) ";-1;0 "From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) Subject: Re: Change of name ?? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 35 In article thomasp@ifi.uio.no (Thomas Parsli) writes: : : : 1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or : talk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY : : 2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where).. : : 3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup ; : We are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil : goverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to : let's say 1000 people ???? : : : Thomas Parsli And everybody who talked about the evil arising in Europe was labeled reactionary in the late 1930's... after all, we could negotiate with Hitler and trust him to keep his end of the bargain... at least that's what Stalin and Chamberlin thought... I guess they forgot to teach you about your country being overrun by the Germans in WWII, 'eh Thomas? And I'm sorry you consider outrage at government excesses to be ####... Everytime the Israelis conduct a mass operation against a terrorist group that is actively killing their citizens and soldiers, the world gets indignant, but it's ok for the US to assault it's own citizens who were a religous minority and accused of sexual deviation and hoarding weapons... I find it real ironic this happened the same day Al Gore arrived in Poland to recognize the sacrifices made in the Warsaw Ghetto where the same 'justifications' were raised for an armed assault by black-clad troops with armor support... -- ******************************************************************************** James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent ******************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: d91-fad@tekn.hj.se (DANIEL FALK) Subject: RE: VESA on the Speedstar 24 Organization: H|gskolan i J|nk|ping Lines: 39 Nntp-Posting-Host: pc5_b109.et.hj.se >>>kjb/MGL/uvesa32.zip >>> >>>This is a universal VESA driver. It supports most video >>>boards/chipsets (include the Speedstar-24 and -24X) up to >>>24 bit color. >>> >>>Terry >>> >>>P.S. I've tried it on a Speedstar-24 and -24X and it works. :) >>Not with all software. :( For instance it doesn't work at all with >>Animator Pro from Autodesk. It can't detect ANY SVGA modes when >>running UniVESA. This is really a problem as we need a VESA driver >>for both AA Pro and some hi-color stuff. :( >Just out of curiosity... Are you using the latest version (3.2)? Versions >previous to this did not fill in all of the capabilities bits and other >information correctly. I had problems with a lot of software until I got >this version. (I don't think the author got around to posting an >announcementof it (or at least I missed it), but 3.2 was available in the >directory indicated as of 3/29.) I sure did use version 3.2. It works fine with most software but NOT with Animator Pro and that one is quite important to me. Pretty useless program without that thing working IMHO. So I hope the author can fix that. /Daniel... ============================================================================= !! Daniel Falk \\ "" Don't quote me! No comments! "" !! !! ^^^^^^ ^^^^ \\ Ebenezum the Great Wizard !! !! d91-fad@tekn.hj.se \\ !! !! d91fad@hjds90.hj.se // Also known as the mega-famous musician !! !! Jkpg, Sweeeeeden... \\ Leinad of The Yellow Ones !! ============================================================================= ";1;1 "From: Gordon_Sumerling@itd.dsto.gov.au (Gordon Sumerling) Subject: Re: Grayscale Printer Organization: ITD/DSTO Lines: 2 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: iapmac2.dsto.gov.au Have you considered the Apple Laserwriter IIg. We use it for all our B&W image printing. ";-1;0 "From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) Subject: Utility to switch cap locks/ctrl keys Organization: Mail Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 9 Being a big fan of the official IBM keyboards, I have a PS/2 keyboard attached to my clone computer. I want to know if there is a software utility out there that can be used to switch the locations of the ctrl and cap locks keys. Even better, does IBM or any third party make ctrl and cap lock key replacements that can be used to visually switch the keys as well? -- Will Estes Internet: westes@netcom.com ";-1;0 "From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Playoff pool entry form Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 45 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Well, thanks to everyone who has entered so far. There are at least 40 entries, and hopefully more people will enter before the deadline, which is 7:30 pm Today, Sunday, April 18, 1993! In the interest of fairness, since I will win anyway, I feel it is only right to actually tell everyone my picks, so that you all won't cry ""rigged"" after I declare myself the winner. Here they are: Series Your Pick Games Division Semifinals Pittsburgh-New Jersey Pittsburgh 5 Washington-NY Islanders NY Islanders 6 Boston-Buffalo Boston 5 Quebec-Montreal Quebec 7 Chicago-St. Louis Chicago 4 Detroit-Toronto Detroit 6 Vancouver-Winnipeg Winnipeg 7 Calgary-Los Angeles Calgary 7 Division Finals Patrick Pittsburgh 6 Adams Quebec 7 Norris Chicago 7 Smythe Calgary Conference Finals Wales Pittsburgh 5 Campbell Chicago 4 Stanley Cup winner Pittsburgh 6 -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" ";13;1 "From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: Clipper will corrupt cops (was WH proposal from Police point of view) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 65 In article <1993Apr21.041033.16550@news.clarkson.edu>, tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) writes: > The clear implication is that there are ""legal"" authorizations other > than a court order. Just how leaky are these? I don't have the wiretap statute handy. But here's what the law says on pen registers. This is all from Title 18 of the U.S. Code. Note how vague S. 3125(a)(1)(B) is.... I haven't had a chance to check out 50 U.S.C. 1801 yet. ---- 18 USC S. 3121 Pen Registers (as of 4/93) S. 3121. General prohibition on pen register and trap and trace device use; exception (a) In general. Except as provided in this section, no person may install or use a pen register or a trap and trace device without first obtaining a court order under section 3123 of this title or under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq.). ..... S. 3125. Emergency pen register and trap and trace device installation (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter , any investigative or law enforcement officer, specially designated by the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the Associate Attorney General, any Assistant Attorney General, any acting Assistant Attorney General, or any Deputy Assistant Attorney General, or by the principal prosecuting attorney of any State or subdivision thereof acting pursuant to a statute of that State, who reasonably determines that-- (1) an emergency situation exists that involves-- (A) immediate danger of death or serious bodily injury to any person; or (B) conspiratorial activities characteristic of organized crime, that requires the installation and use of a pen register or a trap and trace device before an order authorizing such installation and use can, with due diligence, be obtained, and (2) there are grounds upon which an order could be entered under this chapter to authorize such installation and use ""may have installed and use a pen register or trap and trace device if, within forty-eight hours after the installation has occurred, or begins to occur, an order approving the installation or use is issued in accordance with section 3123 of this title."" (b) In the absence of an authorizing order, such use shall immediately terminate when the information sought is obtained, when the application for the order is denied or when forty-eight hours have lapsed since the installation of the pen register or trap and trace device, whichever is earlier. (c) The knowing installation or use by any investigative or law enforcement officer of a pen register or trap and trace device pursuant to subsection (a) without application for the authorizing order within forty-eight hours of the installation shall constitute a violation of this chapter. ";-1;0 "From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: CA's pedophilia laws Article-I.D.: optilink.15216 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 91 In article <1993Apr3.201408.4999@hobbes.kzoo.edu>, k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy) writes: > cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # #Unfortunately, homosexuals don't believe in this concept of freedom. # #They believe that they have a right to FORCE people to hire them, # #rent to them, and do business with them, regardless of the feelings # #or beliefs of the other person. # # Allow me to point out that Clayton is once again unfairly lumping an # entire class of people, as if they all have one will. Having completely # dived into the abyss of believing that there are no queers in the world # who think differently from the child-molestation-advocating minority on # soc.motss, he doesn't even notice that he's starting a sentence with # ""They believe"" when the referent of that ""they"" is millions of people. # ""...so few as to be irrelevant..."" If you don't want to be lumped together as a group, stop insisting on being treated as a member of a group. # dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) writes: # # Force people to hire? No. Require people to give them a fair # # look? Yes. # # cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # #You give them a fair look. You decide that you don't want to hire # #the guy wearing the NAMBLA T-shirt. He files a lawsuit. You lose. # #Yes, such laws force you to hire homosexuals. # # Pedophiles, as well? Sexual orientation is not defined by the anti-discrimination law that was passed last year. Pedophilia isn't a sexual orientation? # And, Cramer, let me describe how you'd have it, and see if this is # accurate. I apply for a job at a computer company. They see I'm # wearing some article of homosexual adornment, I dunno, maybe a # ""Silence = Death"" pin or something. They turn me down because of # that. I can't do a darned thing and have to go look somewhere else. # Am I correct in assuming that you wholeheartedly approve of the # company's actions, or at least that you wholeheartedly support their # right to take that action? I wholeheartedly support their right to take this action. I wouldn't do it myself, unless it was something like the NAMBLA T-shirt. # How about: a black man applies for a job at a bank. The bank decides, # based on statistics, a black person would be more likely to steal # money, and denies the man the job. Would you support the bank's right # to this freedom? If not, explain how this differs. I support their right to do so (just like I support your right to engage in sodomy with consenting adults), but I think they are doing something wrong. I wouldn't do business with such a bank. # Clayton has repeatedly said that California's statutes classify # pedophilia as a sexual orientation, and that discriminating on the # basis of sexual orientation is illegal. # # If true, I'm frankly amazed. But I don't trust Clayton to give me # the whole story. Would someone clarify for me whether this is true, # what sort of discrimination Clayton's talking about (jobs? housing? # hate crimes?), and whether the effect of the law is really that # a daycare has to hire an admitted pedophile. # -- # Jamie McCarthy Internet: k044477@kzoo.edu AppleLink: j.mccarthy Here's the law that was passed and signed by the governor: The people of the State of California do enact as follows: 1 SECTION 1. The purpose of this act is to codify 2 existing case law as determined in Gay Law Students v. 3 Pacific Telephone and Telegraph, 24 Cal. 3d 458 (1979) 4 and Soroka v. Dayton Hudson Corp., 235 Cal. App. 3d 654 5 (1991) prohibiting discrimination based on sexual 6 orientation. 7 SEC. 2. Section 1102. is added to the Labor Code, to 8 read: 9 1102.1. (a) Sections 1101 and 1102 prohibit 10 discrimination or disparate treatment in any of the terms 11 and conditions of employment based on actual or 12 perceived sexual orientation. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 13 (b) This section shall not apply to a religious 14 association or corporation not organized for private 15 profit, whether incorporated as a religious or public 16 benefit corporation. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. ";-1;0 "From: robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Article-I.D.: bunyip.C5wwGz.17G Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland Lines: 45 dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >Snort. Ah, there go my sinuses again. >Oh, wow. A classic textbook. Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too! >Yeah, I'll bet. Tomorrow, the world. >Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless. >I'm sure you are. You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who >responds to ""miracle cures."" >Yeah, ""it makes sense to me"", so of course it should be taken seriously. >Snort. >Yeah, ""it sounds reasonable to me"". >Oh, really? _What_ tests? Immune-compromised, my ass. >More like credulous malingerer. This is a psychiatric syndrome. >You know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused >in this way. It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic. >The trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks. >The only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap >and when taken orally, non-toxic. But oral nystatin is without any >systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without >any effect on your sinuses. I wish these quacks would first use >IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you. That would solve >the ""yeast"" problem once and for all. >Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating >your symptoms. >Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket? I'd hate >to think my insurance premiums are going towards this. Steve, take a look at what you are saying. I don't see one construvtive word here. If you don't have anything constructive to add, why waste the bandwidth - yeah, sure, flame me for doing it myself. Is this sci.med or alt.flame? Like it or not, medical science does *not* know categorically everything about everything. I'm not flaming your knowledge, just asking you to sit back and ask yourself ""what if?"" ""Minds are like parachutes - they only function when they are open."" Oh - and if you *do* want to flame me or anyone else, how about using email? Rob Who doesn't claim any relevant qualifications, just interest -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rob Geraghty | 3 things are important to me robg@citr.uq.oz.au | The gift of love, the joy of life CITR | And the making of music in all its forms ";-1;0 "From: scip2060@nusunix1.nus.sg (SARDJONO INSANI) Subject: Connecting Apple Laserwriter II to IBM PC Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 11 Has anyone tried connecting an Apple Laserwriter II to a PC? Do I need any special controller card or software to do that? Thanks for any comments. -- ======================== Sardjono Insani scip2060@nusunix1.nus.sg ======================== ";-1;0 "From: rmoskal@panix.com (Robert Moskal) Subject: Volante Warp 10 board Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 11 I've been troubleshooting the existence of way too many General Protection Faults on a 486-33, Eisa-VLB, system. At this point I think I've narrowed the problem down to the video drivers for the Volante Warp-10 adapter by National Design, INc. Yet somehow I find this hard to believe. Does anyone else have any experiences with this board. Thanx, Robert Moskal Brooklyn, USA ";-1;0 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: For sale; Edmonton Oilers. Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 31 In article mbevan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) writes: > >He was already offered $65 million for them from Northlands Coliseum >but refused the offer.... I don't think he is going to sale. I think he >may decide to move the team to the States though where he can draw >more revenue from the team. > Pocklington just wanted to wake up the powers that be holding political office, in Northlands, and in the business community that the Oilers with their current lease arrangement are in a state where on a yearly basis they will likely have an operating loss based on ""normal"" hockey revenues and expenses. That he did this was a good thing...it is better he complain early, and make the city aware of a potential looming crisis before he begins to lose millions and millions of dollars...which would truly jeopardize the franchise. Pocklington's first option is not to sell or to move, but to sell a minority share of the team (to realize some of the appreciated value of the team) and to get a better arena deal, either in Northlands, or via a new building. Pocklington probably isn't going to get exactly what he wants...but ultimately he will probably get enough, or will sell to someone who will probably get enough. There are a lot of risks in moving a team also... ...one has to remember ""Peter Puck's principle""...it is better to spend other people's money than one's own if at all possible. Gerald ";-1;0 "From: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell~) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: Intel Corporation Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: thunder.intel.com Originator: tmcconne@sedona In article , bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes: > berry@durian.citr.uq.oz.au (Andrew Berry) writes: > > Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about > $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to > redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups > pertaining to Motif has been high. > > > >I just wonder if this will also cause a divergence between commercial > >and non-commercial software (ie. you will only get free software using > >Athena or OpenLook widget sets, and only get commercial software using > >the Motif widget sets). > > > I can't see why. If just about every workstation will come with Motif > by default and you can buy it for under $100 for the ""free"" UNIX > platforms, I can't see this causing major problems. Let me add another of my concerns: Yes, I can buy a port of Motif for ""cheap"", but I cannot get the source for ""cheap"", hence I am limited to using whatever X libraries the Motif port was compiled against (at least with older versions of Motif. I have been told that Motif 1.2 can be used with any X, but I have not seen it myself). Currently, I have X11R5 running on eight different unix platforms, of which only three came with Motif. On those three, I am unable to use the X11R5 libraries to build Motif clients, because I get link errors between the vendor-supplied port of Motif and my X11R5. I anticipate having this same problem when X11R6 becomes available. The result is that I cannot build Motif clients that rely on X11R5, since I do not have Motif compiled under X11R5. True, I could buy another port of Motif, but that sort of ruins the whole idea of ""free"", doesn't it? Cheers, Tom McConnell -- Tom McConnell | Internet: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com Intel, Corp. C3-91 | Phone: (602)-554-8229 5000 W. Chandler Blvd. | The opinions expressed are my own. No one in Chandler, AZ 85226 | their right mind would claim them. ";-1;0 "From: gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) Subject: NASA Special Publications for Voyager Mission? Organization: The MacInteresteds of Nashville, Tn. Lines: 12 I have two books, both NASA Special Publications, on the Voyager Missions. One is titled ""Voyages to Jupiter"" the other ""Voyage to Saturn"" These were excellent books put together after the encounters with each planet. The question is: Did NASA ever put together a similar book for either the Uranus encounter or Neptune? If so, what SP number is it and where can it be obtained? If not, why didn't they? -- gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville ";-1;0 "From: coffey@cptc2.neep.wisc.edu (Robert L. Coffey) Subject: Re: Questions... Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin,Madison., NEEP Department Lines: 35 >4. Who exactly is ""The Lord""? ""God"" or Jesus Christ? John 1:1 says (NKJV - the little green gideon someone forced on me one day) ""In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."" The Word refers to Jesus Christ so from this John declares that God and Jesus are one. Therefore, ""The Lord"" refers to both. Also, David in the Psalms refers to both God in heaven and the coming messiah as his Lord. Once again this refers to God and Jesus. >5. What is the definition of a ""Truly religious"" person? Should he/she not swear/curse? Does it say anything about this in the bible? Some of the most ""truly religious"" people I've known have not been Christians and some of the greatest Christians I've known have been truly irreligious. However, to answer your question: The bible speaks of this in many places, A previous post to James is a good one. Another is Psalm 15: ""Lord, who may abide in your tabernacle? Who may dwell in your holy hill? He who walks uprightly, and works righteousness, and speaks the truth in his heart He who does not backbite with his tongue, nor does evil to his neighbor, nor does he take up a reproach against his friend; I whose eyes a vile person is despised, but he honors those who fear the Lord; he who swears to his own hurt and does not change; He who does not put out money at usury, nor does he take a bribe aginst the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved."" ------------------------------------------------------------ Rob Coffey ""Indeed the safest road to coffey@cptc1.neep.wisc.edu Hell is the gradual one- the (if you send mail to cptc2 gentle slope, soft underfoot, I'll never read it) without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts."" -- Screwtape ------------------------------------------------------------ The day Techwood meets the wrecking ball the world shall rejoice. But I'll have lost a former home. ";-1;0 "From: scotts@bbking.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM ( Scott Sherman) Subject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science Distribution: usa Organization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company) Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr10.210242.340@macadam.com>, mike@macadam.com writes: |> I am a freshman in college and can't decide whether to major in computer |> engineering or computer science. Any advice or suggestions will be |> appreciated. |> |> Thanks, |> Mike A professor of mine once said ""The difference between a Computer Engineer and a Computer Scientist is about $5000"" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than the CS. Seriously though the main difference is that most CS people write programs that people will use, i.e. database, graphics, word processors, etc., while an engineer writes for machines or control systems, i.e. the ""computer"" in your car, a flight control system, computer controled devices, etc. In other words CS writes SOFTWARE while CSE writes FIRMWARE. These are generalizations but for the most part that is what the difference is. P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke Scott ";-1;0 "From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Subject: Janet Reno and ""Responsibility"" Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting Lines: 11 I see no difference between Janet Reno's claim of responsibility for the Waco Massacre and the IRA's claims of responsibility for various acts of terrorism against British citizens. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. ";-1;0 "From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) Subject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea... Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 25 The Clipper Chip will have no effect. Current generation PCs, portable and desktop, all have analog voice -> digital voice and vice versa capabilities. So, I only need a modem output to the telephone, and I can interpose any encryption screen on my voice traffic I want. Not even a big deal, but it will pass muster if the have a way of checking whether I am using their Clipper Chip encryption without a full decoding. I have been chided for stating that Dorthy Denning was intellectually dishonest in the ACM debate and in this newsgroup. I have previously refrained from suggesting that she is arguing on behalf of consulting clients. Now, I say that it is clear that Dorthy Denning has been functioning as a lobbyist, not a computer scientist. She has used legal ethics (truth is what you can convince anyone of), not scientific ethics (truth is understanding the external world). Maybe we can revoke her ACM membership? 8) Lew -- Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com ""Perspective is worth 80 IQ points."" Niels Bohr (or somebody like that). ";-1;0 "From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan-1) Subject: Why does Apple give us a confusing message? Nntp-Posting-Host: student.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 18 Hi there, Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for C650 regarding fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 has the message ""fpu: optional"". I know from what we've discussed in this newsgroup that all C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 configuration. Why would they be so unclear about this issue in their price list? I'm planning to buy the C650 8/230/cd pretty soon, but I'm now getting confused with whether it comes with fpu or not. Why say ""optional"" if it's built in? Please, anybody help me understand this game. Regards, Thian. ";-1;0 "From: mkao@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Michelle Kao) Subject: 4 4MB simms for sale(30 pin, 80ns, for Mac) Organization: Purdue University Lines: 2 $400included shipping ";-1;0 "From: msbendts@mtu.edu (BENDTSEN) Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Organization: Michigan Technological University X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 37 sp@odin.fna.no (Svein Pedersen) writes: : Sorry, I did`nt tell exactly what I need. : : I need a utility for automatic updating (deleting, adding, changing) of *.ini files for Windows. : The program should run from Dos batchfile or the program run a script under Windows. : : I will use the utility for updating the win.ini (and other files) on meny PC`s. : : Do I find it on any FTP host? : : Svein Well, in the latest Windows magazine, there is an advertisement for a program that will help you uninstall windows apps from your harddisk (Uninstaller) but it can be used to update a network, but only for deleting, not adding or changing their *.ini files. (Uninstaller, by MicroHelp Inc. $79 1-800-922-3383) I am also looking for an *.ini updater for my PC network, and so far without any luck. So for the time being I have been pushing DOS and it's batch language to its limit...look into DOS 5.0's (I am assumming that DOS 6.0 has the same command, maybe even more..or less..improved) REPLACE command. I use this to update our users personal files with a master set in a batch file that is run everytime they invoke Windows. This basically overwrites their color schemes, but does what I need it to do. Not neat, but does the job...I'm looking for a better solution though. Mike Just relaying what I know...a not for profit service. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Mike Bendtsen (msbendts @ mtu.edu) 740 Elm St. Apt#4 CCLI Senior Technical Consultant Hancock, MI 49930 Michigan Technological University ";6;1 "From: karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org (Phil Karn) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Nntp-Posting-Host: unix.ka9q.ampr.org Reply-To: karn@servo.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr18.233112.24107@colnet.cmhnet.org>, res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes: |> >Sadly, it does not. Suspects can be compelled to give handwriting and |> >voice exemplars, and to take blood and DNA tests. |> |> I am sure that Mike is correct on this point. I am also pretty sure that |> administering ""truth serum"" would be ruled a violation of your right |> not to incriminate yourself. But, what is the salient difference? You can find the salient difference in any number of 5th amendment related Supreme Court opinions. The Court limits 5th amendment protections to what they call ""testimonial"" evidence, as opposed to physical evidence. The whole question would hinge on whether a crypto key would be considered ""testimonial"" evidence. I suppose arguments could be made either way, though obviously I would hope it would be considered testimonial. Phil ";-1;0 "From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Purdue University Distribution: usa Lines: 5 sorry about that last post, my server neglected to send the message: Can we please keep this group to AUTOMOTIVE topics. Thank you. ";10;1 "From: peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen) Subject: Re: Asante EN/SC PB adaptor won't work with duo 230 Originator: peterco@eff.org Nntp-Posting-Host: eff.org Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 23 Bill Kurland (bill@panix.com) wrote: : I guess this changes my opinion of them and I thought I would warn : any prospective customers for the EN/SC PB. FWIW, I work for FOCUS Enhancements, and a lot of the people we sell our EtherLAN SC/SC-T (our SCSI Ethernet interface) are disgruntled EN/SC users. : I also now need to know if anyone has been successful with the : comparable product from Dayna or Focus. I really don't want to use up : that NuBus slot. *Sigh*. I wish I had better news. The FOCUS EtherLAN SC is currently incompatible with the Duos. This may change in the future. We do have Apple Register Compatible cards that are 100% compatible with the DuoDocks, though. Send questions to focus@applelink.apple.com. -- +-----------------+------------------------------------------------+ | Peter A. Cohen | I'd rather be telecommuting. | +-----------------+------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers? Article-I.D.: cup.C535HL.C6H Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: hesh.cup.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.1] Curtis Jackson (cjackson@adobe.com) wrote: : The driver had looked over at me casually a couple of times; I : know he knew I was there. oh, okay. then in that case it was attemped vehicular manslaughter. he definitely wanted to kill you. all cagers want to kill bikers. that's the only explanation that i can think of. -- hesh ";7;1 "From: sidhu@ee.ualberta.ca (Kenneth Sidhu) Subject: Dimming Incand. Lamps Article-I.D.: kakwa.1993Apr6.221848.6569 Reply-To: sidhu@ee.ualberta.ca (Kenneth Sidhu) Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca What's the latest and greatest way to dim incandescent lamps ? March '93 Circuit Cellar has part one of an article about dimming 120VAC lamps, but it seems to lead into phase- control as the best method for controlling brightness. I've always hated phase-control for the RFI, buzzing filaments and non-linear adjustment range. I had heard that you can modulate the AC line on a cycle by cycle basis to get better results. To cut the lamp's power to 50% you would givemsay 20 cycles of AC, then nothing for another 20 cycles. I wonder if anyone has tried this or knows what the pro stuff is using. Any advice is appreciated! Ken email: sidhu@bode.ee.ualberta.ca ";-1;0 "From: wpwood@darkwing.austin.ibm.com Subject: GCC and Building the HP Widget Set on Linux Reply-To: wpwood@austin.ibm.com (Bill Woodward) Organization: The Institute of Knowledge on Jinx Lines: 30 I am currently attempting to get a copy of the HP Widget set compiled under Linux (SLS Release with kernel 99.6) and am running into some problems. Actually, it seems that this is more of a GCC question, because I got it to compile without trouble using cc on an RS/6000. Basically, there are a number of functions with prototypes set up in, let's say, CompositeP.h, for instance, the composite widget's insert_child procedure is set up with the type : typedef void (*XtWidgetProc) (Widget) but in several places in the HP source code, they reference the insert_child procedure and pass it multiple arguments instead of just one, as the prototype suggests. For example: (*superclass->composite_class.insert_child)(w, args, p_num_args) Now, GCC chokes on this, giving an error message that too many arguments are passed to the function. So, does anyone have any suggestions as to how to turn off this checking in GCC, or how I can go about changing the code to accomodate this call without changing /usr/include/X11/CompositeP.h, or has anyone successfully built the HP widget set and have any suggestions. Many thanks in advance for any help. -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Bill Woodward | wpwood@austin.ibm.com <-- Try this first AIX Software Support | billw@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com Graphics Group | 512-838-2834 I am the terror that flaps in the night. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Bill Conner: From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 17 In article bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: >Could you explain what any of this pertains to? Is this a position >statement on something or typing practice? And why are you using my >name, do you think this relates to anything I've said and if so, what. > >Bill Could you explain what any of the above pertains to? Is this a position statement on something or typing practice? -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) ";-1;0 "From: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) Subject: Representation of Territories? (Was: Re: The $11,250,000,000,000 lunch) Distribution: tx Organization: None Lines: 31 boyd@turtle.fisher.com writes: > In article , cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes: > > BTW, is anyone besides myself peeved that non-US citizens (Puerto > > Ricans, etc.) are very close to having full representation in the U.S. > > House of Representatives? > > > > Sorry Chris, Puerto Ricans are US citizens. OK. I stand corrected. I guess, then, that the comments about payoffs (i.e., ""pork"") to Puerto Ricans that others have been making still stands? Now, everybody, how about some opinion on the following related topic: Should the people who are natives of U.S. territories have representation in the U.S. House of Rep's or the U.S. Congress? The U.S. Constitution sets up the House of Representatives to represent each State in proportion to its population, and the Senate to represent each State equally. What should be done with U.S. territories like Puerto Rico? Does anyone have knowledge about how this was handled in the past, such as with the Louisiana Territory or the Northwest Territory? Chris -- Chris Winemiller Internet: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org UUCP : texsun!letni!keys!cwinemil ";-1;0 "From: gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LGV/MC) Subject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows applications under MS-WINDOWS ? Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 31 kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) writes: >wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes: >> Hey, >> could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse >> in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use >> MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any >> routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations. >> Thanks for your efforts, >> Oliver >>-- >> NAME : O.Kretzschmar Inst.IKE / University Stuttgart >> PHONE: +49 711 685 2130 Pfaffenwaldring 31 >> FAX : +49 711 685 2010 7000 Stuttgart 80 >> EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de >Very simple. You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS >before you run Windows. Note that you don't need to have these files loaded >to use the mouse in Windows. One addition to this... I don't know if it applies to everybody. For my (Microsoft 400dpi) mouse to work with windowed DOS apps, I had to use the driver that came with Windows (Version 8.20). 8.1 didn't allow me to do it for some reason. ";-1;0 "Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center From: Subject: Hummel Collectors (1 left) Lines: 13 ""Chimney Sweep"" number 12/I (5-1/2 to 6-1/2""), closed edition, 3 or 4 line (Purchased in West Germany in 1970) (Retail $270) Sell $120 (S&H extra) I have a picture of it if you want to see first; in excellent shape, no chips or cracks). Great idea for Mother's Day. This is a great buy. Interested? Please E-mail or call (415) 926-2664 wk or (408) 248-0411 eves. BRose ";-1;0 "From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Keywords: Solid != good Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 64 In article <1qlnknINN2sh@aludra.usc.edu> sheehan@aludra.usc.edu (Joseph Sheehan) writes: Most of the points you made about Lopez v. Berryhill/Olson have been made by others, and realizing that Lopez must be the second coming of Frank Thomas, I have relented and praised the unmistakeable wisdom of his supporters. > >Nope. They're baseball management, possible the most short-sighted >collection of people in the nation. Do you not believe this goes on, >Mark? Do you think Frank Thomas needed those three months in AAA in >1990? See? This is essentially what everyone was doing - comparing Lopez to one of the best players in the game. I'm really looking forward to seeing this can't-miss superstar now. As for Thomas, I remember being an advocate of his being brought up in 1990 even though he was only 21 or 22 (can't remember). But who did the Sox have at first? Calderon? Martinez? Kittle? The spot was there. The talent was there. Sure, I say go for it. I am not convinced that Lopez is anywhere near as talented as Thomas was after his AA season in 1989, and I am not convinced that Olson/ Berryhill are nearly as bad as Kittle/Martinez were. BTW, I don't think Thomas was hurt by those three months. >Or Cal Eldred wasn't *really* better than Ricky Bones last year? Well, if we can't compare our guy to one of the best in the game, let's compare our decision to one of the most ""Boneshead"", right? Cal Eldred was 24 when he came up, with a full season at AAA and a longer minor league career. Frankly, I don't know why he didn't make the club in 1992. Bones is a year younger with a lousy prior history, and just watching him makes me think that I missed a career as a big-league pitcher. No one - I repeat NO ONE - laughed louder than I did at the Sheffield trade. (Though I guess Mieske has a future.) (I take it back. McIlvaine may have laughed louder.) > >You're mostly polite; make defensible, if flawed cases; have wit and >have, in the past, admitted being wrong. That does qualify you on r.s.b. >We'll make an SDCN out of you, yet :-) aw, gee, shucks. thanks guy. except I missed the part where SDCN's admit they're wrong. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com ";-1;0 "From: dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) Subject: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor Organization: National Library of Medicine Lines: 10 Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered if anyone else had seen this. post or email --Don Lindbergh dabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov ";-1;0 "From: jcm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Jonathan McDowell) Subject: Re: Shuttle Launch Question Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA Distribution: sci Lines: 23 From article , by tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker): >>In article , ETRAT@ttacs1.ttu.edu (Pack Rat) writes... >>>""Clear caution & warning memory. Verify no unexpected >>>errors. ..."". I am wondering what an ""expected error"" might >>>be. Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but > > Parity errors in memory or previously known conditions that were waivered. > ""Yes that is an error, but we already knew about it"" > I'd be curious as to what the real meaning of the quote is. > > tom My understanding is that the 'expected errors' are basically known bugs in the warning system software - things are checked that don't have the right values in yet because they aren't set till after launch, and suchlike. Rather than fix the code and possibly introduce new bugs, they just tell the crew 'ok, if you see a warning no. 213 before liftoff, ignore it'. - Jonathan ";2;1 "From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu The comparison of the Palestinian situation with the Holocaust is insulting and completely false. Any person making such a rude and false comparison is either ignorant of the Holocaust, or also ignorant of the situation in the mideast, or is an anti-semite. To compare a complicated political situation with the genocide of 6,000,000 Jews is racist in and of itself. ";15;1 "From: jcl@bdrc.bd.com (John C. Lusth) Subject: Kentucky Fried CMOS beats Hardees! Organization: Becton Dickinson Research Center; RTP, N.C. Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: otis.bdrc.bd.com Hey folks. Is it possible to short out your CMOS chip? I think mine is fried. These are the symptoms... I have to do the following to get my computer (a Gateway 486DX33) to boot... Turn the power off Disconnect the battery to the CMOS chip Turn the power on Get into setup upon getting the CMOS configuration error Set up the CMOS Exit the setup with [F10] (phoenix bios) Ignore the diskette 0 seek error and press [F1] The computer then boots normally. Both hard drives are accessible but the floppy drives are not. I can back up over the network and such, but if I need to reboot, I have to turn off the computer and repeat the steps above. If I simply --, the computer hangs after the memory test. Does this sound like the CMOS chip is fried? Can I buy another one? Where? Thank you for your kind attention. john -- John C. Lusth, Becton Dickinson Research Center, RTP, NC, USA jcl@bdrc.bd.com ";-1;0 "From: nextug@ac.dal.ca Subject: Powerbook 140-180 Batteries Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Lines: 15 A quick query for Powerbook gurus: Tom Spearman, in a post on alternative Powerbook battery options mentioned that there exist 3 versions of their Powerbook 140-180 batteries: a 2.5 amp hour one (M5545/A), a 2.8 amp hour one, (M5545/B) and a 2.9 amp hour one (M5545/C). Anyone out there know how to determine which of these a battery is? I looked at my battery and there is no obvious exterior indication. I contacted Tom Spearman who had gleaned the information from MacUser and he didn't know either. Anyone out there know the answer? Thanks! Christopher Majka nextug@ac.dal.ca BTW, if you can reply via EMail I would be grateful. I don't often read this newsgroup. I will post a summary of answers. ";-1;0 "From: xcpslf@oryx.com (stephen l favor) Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Organization: Oryx Energy Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: what.oryx.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 : Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed : for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the : character of the messenger.) I reckon we'll have to find out : the rest the hard way. : Koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns. ";-1;0 "From: falcon@cs.mcgill.ca (Scot Hughes) Subject: Re: I hate to mention Acker, but.... Keywords: Acker, Orioles, DoppleAckers? Nntp-Posting-Host: binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Organization: None Distribution: na Lines: 32 In article <14APR199316550695@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.193114.2328@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes... >>I feel as if I might be causing some bad karma by doing this, but I just have >>to know...... >> >>Is the Ack man still in organized baseball? > > Glad you asked!! The Ack-man, and nine of his relatives, are currently >impersonating the Baltimore Orioles pitching staff. Personally, I believe >that the Evil Ackers kidnapped the real O's staff, and are currently in the >process of impersonating Mussina, Sutcliffe, McDonald, Olson. No, no no. The Ack man is apparently an alien life-form, much like the pod people from planet Mars, who can take on any form (the ability remains the same, however). The Ack-people have been spotted on many teams to date, but it appears that the Orioles staff (mentioned above) and the Expos bullpen (Barnes, Walton, Fassero, Gardiner and Rojas) have been the prime target. Apparently John Wetteland was roughed up by the Ack-people during spring training due to the fact that his system rejected the takeover, and has been on the DL ever since. Contact the authorities! This evil plot must be stopped! (the Ack-people can keep Jack Morris and Juan Guzman, though. I enjoy watching Toronto fans suffer too much to want these guys returned to normal ;-) Scot. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Hughes | Department of Chemical Engineering | Expos in '93! falcon@cs.mcgill.ca| McGill University, Montreal, Quebec| {witty saying here} ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup) Subject: Re: Long lasting tires for small bike. Organization: pnet X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 22 wsh8z@amsun29.apma.Virginia.EDU (Will Heyman) writes: : no rear tires as small as 110/90. There are some fronts though. So get a 120/90 instead. Is there anything that size? : Any other recomendations? : Call the tire companies yourself and tell them what you have. They can make recomendations for you. That's your best bet. Check a biker magazine (Cycle World etc) for phone numbers. It's possible there are no other tires available though. ============================================================================== Erik Astrup AFM #422 DoD #683 1993 CBR 900RR * 1990 CBR 600 * 1990 Concours * 1989 Ninja 250 ""This one goes to eleven"" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap ============================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) Subject: Re: Best Homeruns Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 5 I'd have to say the most impressive HRs I've ever see came from Dave Kingman and his infamous moon-raker drives... Don Boell ";-1;0 "From: kega@celsiustech.se (Kent Gabrin) Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left? Organization: CelsiusTech AB Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr6.060553.22453@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: ...deleted lines... >>Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on >Australians still do drive on the ""wrong"" side of the road. I believe >Sweden changed in 1968. The way I heard it was that they swapped >all the traffic signs around one Sunday.... As I live in Sweden I remember the day perfectly well. We changed side 1967-09-03 (or 03-SEP-1967). I don't remeber the exactly time but it was in the night. (in the 'big' cities like Stockholm & Gothenburg all trafic was forbidden, exept busses and taxis, during the whole weekend.) The day was a Sunday and everything was prepared in before. Before the day we was told to follow the yellow lines on the road and after it was the white one that matters. The signs with arrows on was prepared with a 'left mode' label that was torn off that night to reveal the new right mode arrow. The year after Iceland also changed. About cars: Before the H-day (H as in ""Hoegertrafik"". ""hoeger"" is Swedish and stands for 'right') practically all cars already had their steering wheels on the left side. Even the imported cars from UK had the wheel on 'the right side'. At last we have cars with the wheels on the right side. :-) More contries that uses the left side is: Japan Tanzania (I think) New Zeeland How about South Africa? BTW. Some sais that the left side is the right side because Ivanhoe and other knights meet at the left when they fight in tournaments. :-) ...deleted lines... Kent Gabrin CelsiusTech Systems ! My thinking is not as great as S-175 88 Jaerfaella Sweden ! Oliver Berendinus Bumble /Will Try KEGA@Celsiustech.se ! Company sold again. Former name was: NobelTech ";-1;0 "From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan) Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.195710.24227 Reply-To: finnegan@navo.navy.mil Distribution: na Organization: Grumman Data Systems Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-19510]: invader.navo.navy.mil In article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: |> In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: |> >CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes: |> >> Here are ""another"" ten reasons why we should all love CR |> >> 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service |> >> 2. And later on buying a CR ""idealized family sedan"" |> > |> >And my number 1: |> > |> >1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR ""true believers"". |> |> Or the spectacle of ""Macho Real Men"" who would never bother to read the |> magazine but are more than apt to criticize it. Hey, I'm a ""Macho Real Man"" and I DO read it. So I can criticize it all I want, especially since I pay for the publication. (They accept no outside advertising, don't you know....) |> John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ |> ""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ |> something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ |> wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ Relying on Consumer Reports to pick your automobiles is like letting Field & Stream select your living room furniture. Kenneth finnegan@navo.navy.mil ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: WFAN From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Lines: 41 No, he's not nuts, WIP is second to none THE sports station. They don't have Tony Bruno working ESPN radio and Al Morganti doing Friday Night Hockey because they suck. I live in Richmond Va, but I visit Phila often, and on the way I get WTEM Washington) and WIP. I hear the FAN at night wherever I go (the signal used to be WNBC, when they played golden oldies) because you can't avoid it. Of those three, WIP has the best hosts hands down. Chuck Cooperstein isn't a homer, and neither is Jody Mac. WTEM is too generic to be placed in the catergory. In fact if you have heard WTEM and the FAN you notice the theme music is identical...same ownership?? I think so! WIP is totally original. Their hosts actually have a personality (this is a knock at TEM (the TEAM) not the FAN because Mike and the Mad Dog and Sommers are good) I mean comparing the morning guys in Philadelphia to the ones in Washington is a total joke. Anyway, I like the FAN and WIP, but I think the edge goes to 'IP. When I get back from Philly, I go into withdraw cause Richmond has nada except the national sports line (and those guys are totally clueless) I was really mad when WCAU was cancelled because they had Steve Fredericks doing sports phone after the Phillies games. (WCAU is another strong station, now it's an oldies station, but they still have the Phillies) I started listening to the FAN because I heard he went there. I finally heard him last summer and he wasn't the same guy. Those NY fans got to him. I was glad to hear him back in Philly when I went to see a few Eagles games. I will admit, I am die hard EAGLES fan and WIP is basically an Eagles station 365 days a year. BUT, I bet you the Phillies are in control right now. About the knock on G. Cobb, I like him. He knows the Eagles like a book. I remember the weekend before they went to play San Fran, (when everyone thought the Eagles would be blown away) Cobb said that the Eagles usually play their best when no one believe they can win. Well they were inches shy of pulling the victory. Well that's my $.02 ";-1;0 "From: cwamsley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher Wamsley) Subject: Re: New Uniforms Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.121706.8533 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Br ian Odom) writes: >As far as I know, Toronto, Pittsburgh, and New York (NL) change their >uniforms every year. Every other year (e.g., New York), it will say Mets >in cursive, New York in cursive, or New York in all caps. Minor changes, >but they do change them often. Last year, I think they had New York in all >caps. Did Toronto have Blue Jays or Toronto last year? What about >Pittsburgh? It depends on which uniforms you are talking about. For the last couple of years I believe Toronto and Pittsburgh has used the same uniforms, or at least very similar. The home jerseys had the team nick name (Blue Jays or Pirates), but the road jerseys had the name of the city (Toronto or Pittsburgh). I believe this is the way most teams design their uniforms. -- Chris ";-1;0 "From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 17 Quoting strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) in article : >In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes: > > >>So, don't just think of replacements for clipper, also think of front >>ends. > >This only makes sense if the government prohibits alternative non-escrowed >encryption schemes. Otherwise, why not just use the front end without >clipper? Because that will make private encryption stick out like a sore thumb and the government will start to take a sharp interest in everything you do. __ _____ \/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ // /\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus! ";-1;0 "From: pjaques@camborne-school-of-mines.ac.UK (Paul Jaques) Subject: Polygon to raster converter required Organization: The Internet Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Can anybody tell me if they know where I can obtain the source code for a polygon filling algorithm, or any other graphics orientated mailing lists that may be able to help me. Thanks, Paul. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Paul Jaques | | Systems Engineer, Camborne School of Mines, | | Rosemanowes, Herniss, Penryn, Cornwall. | | E-Mail: pjaques@csm.ac.uk Tel: Stithians (0209) 860141 Fax: (0209) 861013 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Lines: 36 ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes: > > ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > > > > > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the > > > Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more > > > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). > > > > Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's > > ""qualifications"" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany, > > show it. If you don't, shut up. Simple as that. > > > > > I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII > > > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any > > > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is > > > not appreciated. > > > > ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were > > tortured. We ALL suffered. Second, the name-calling was directed against > > YOU, not civil-libertarians in general. Your name-dropping of a fancy > > sounding political term is yet another attempt to ""cite qualifications"" > > in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument. Go > > back to the minors, junior. > All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many > others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are > so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks > for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of > ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since > I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could > write. ----- When you're willing to actually support something you say with fact or argument rather than covering up your own inadequacies with feigned offense, let me know. Otherwise, back to your own league, son. ";-1;0 "From: randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) Subject: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: Univ. Texas-Houston Allied Health Sci Lines: 18 I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. Suppose they are unable to get before the altar right at the current time because of purely logistical reasons beyond their control. What do you think about this? Post or e-mail me with general responses. If you need clarification as to what I am asking, please e-mail. Thanks and God bless! ============================================ Robert M. Anderson III randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu ";-1;0 "From: sents@dixie.com (Jeff Sents) Subject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Lines: 19 paolucci@spot.Colorado.EDU (Paolucci Paul) writes: >In article ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: >>Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue >[biased and decidedly not-as-funny-as-dave stuff deleted...] >I sure hope that SOMEONE SOMEWHERE is enjoying these ""lists""... [stuff deleted] >I'm no Clinton fan, but I'm no Ipser fan... Then why not simply stop reading them. This isn't intended as a flame, but your post reminds me of the old joke: Patient: ""Doctor it hurts when I do this."" Doctor: ""Then stop doing that."" Regards, Jeff ";-1;0 "From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Why Spanky? Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 18 In article <1ql93bINN1s5@postoffice1.psc.edu> boone@psc.edu (Jon Boone) writes: > Spanky is too slow! If he were quicker, he would still be here. >But with Slaught and Tom Prince, they didn't want to lose Prince in order >to bring up that 11th pitcher. Slaught is about as good as Spanky and >Prince is coming along nicely! Tom Prince is a 28 year old no-hit catcher. Think of him as a young Dann Bilardello. I can't begin to fathom why the Pirates have been so afraid of losing this guy, who's been in AAA most of the last 5 seasons. The Pirates released Kirk Gibson last year because Prince was out of options, then eventually sent Prince down anyway, and he cleared waivers without a peep. He's another year older, and still can't hit; why do they think he wouldn't clear waivers now? Why would they care? Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com ";-1;0 "From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Billboard/Station/Space Dock? Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Seems that the Mile-Long Billboard and any other inflateble space object/station or what ever have the same problems. (other than being a little bit different than the ""normal"" space ideas, such as trusses and shuttles) But also dag and such.. Why not combine the discussion of how and fesibility to the same topic? I personnelly liek the idea of a billboard in space. But problem. How do you service it? fly a shuttle/DC-1 to near it and then dismount and ""fly"" to it? Or what?? or havign a special docking section for shuttle/DC-1 docking? Also what if the billboard springs a leak? Self sealing and such?? Just thinking (okay rambling).. Also why must the now inflated billboard, not be covered in the inside by a harder substance (such as a polymer or other agent) and then the now ""hard"" billboard would be a now giant docking structure/space dock/station?? Or am I missing something here.. (probably am!?) == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked ";-1;0 "From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co. Lines: 19 In article <1r6mcgINNe87@gap.caltech.edu+ kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco) writes: +In article <37147@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM+ wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes: +++ ++Once inflated the substance was no longer ++needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse. ++This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no ++disastrous deflation. + +preasure (and the internal preasure that was needed to maintain +a spherical shape against this resistance) caused them to +catastrophically deflated. The large silvered shards + +The billboard should pop like a dime store balloon. No, you're wrong about this. Give me some time to get my references. -- Bruce Watson (wats@scicom.alphaCDC.COM) ";-1;0 "From: jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu (JTD is lost) Subject: Honda New Car Info Organization: Skidmore, somewhere down from reality Lines: 38 From Kay Honda's ""Helpful HInts ABout Your Honda"" infromation sheet (given to new owners of Honda vehicles). ""A burning smell may be evident from your new car shortly after taking delivery."" --I now own a fire extinguisher;>-- ""On Prelude S mels at temperatures above 32 degrees push the accelerator pedal to the floor one time, release slowly, and with your foot off the accelerator, crank the engine until it starts. Moe than 5 seconds [!!!!!!! my note] of cranking may be required. In temperatures below 32 degrees the accelerator will have to be depressed 2-3 times."" ""Door panels and interior trim can be damaged if they are not buckled by getting caught when closing doors."" ""When shifting accord automatic transmissions from Park Neutral, or Reverse into Drive the transmission shifts into 3rd gear."" ""In case of towing: 1- Start the engine 2- Shift into drive from Park, then from Drive to neutral 3- Turn off engine"" --what if you are getting towed b/c engine won't run?-- ""IF ENGINE DOES NOT RUN DO NOT USE THIS PROCEDURE!"" --Phew, I was worried!-- Insert smilies where appropriate, though this is REAL. Jonathan jdrout@scott.skidmore.edu Skidmore College, Saratoga NY 93 Civic Si + aftermarket fogs (if you own one, you understand!) ";-1;0 "From: jkeais@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (keais j) Subject: Re: Pioneer Laser player Article-I.D.: gondor.1pr8nn$46v Organization: SDSU Computing Services Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ucssun1.sdsu.edu In article <1993Apr6.005150.10250@ee.rochester.edu> neale@ee.rochester.edu (Reg Neale) writes: >I'm trying to figure out how to operate a Pioneer Laserdisc LD-1000 that I bought at a surplus store. It is reputedly from some kind of computerised viewing >and/or ordering system. THere is what may be an HPIB connector on the back. When >I power it up, the front panel power light comes on, but no activity, and the >door doesn't open. Anyone have any experience with this unit or any ideas on how >to obtain documentation? What you have is one of the LD players from a video game (Dragon's Lair, Space Ace, etc). Call Pioneer Technicial Support 213-498-0300 (at least that's the number I called them at) and ask for the LD-V1000 Interface Guide. It shows how the parallel interface should be wired and the codes for the commands (play, pause, reject, etc). The guide is mainly for hooking the player to a computer, but with a little work, you could build a wired controller. Jim Keais jkeais@ucssun1.sdsu.edu ";-1;0 "From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) Subject: What is going on?... Lines: 26 Organization: Curtin University of Technology Distribution: inet In article <1qhc2p$8d8@transfer.stratus.com>, cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes: > In article <1993Apr14.120229.15878@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rwebb@nyx.cs.du.edu (Russell Webb) writes: ... > Call me paranoid, but this is the same kind of scare story which Dorothy > Denning was citing while calling for the limitation of cryptography. > > I doubt that DD is behind this -- > > but I suspect that the FBI (and maybe NSA) are behind DD and those agencies > could easily be mounting a nationwide campaign (with our tax dollars?) to > build up public outcry against digital communication -- especially against > unbreakable, encrypted communication. > > > What's going on here?? > Haven't you read any of Noam Chomsky's works? A widely used information net outside the control of the 'right people' is unthinkable. Hundreds of billions of dollars will be spent to wipe it out, sorry, 'regulate and order it' once the major media and poitical powers wake up to the efect it can have. If you can't be bothered reading, get the video ""Manufacturing Consent"". ~Paul ";-1;0 "From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) Subject: Re: Jeep Grand vs. Toyota 4-Runner Article-I.D.: world.C51Hn0.2JI Organization: IntraNet, Inc. Lines: 18 In article <1pq29p$29p@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM writes: > >Any reason you are limited to the two mentioned? They aren't really at >the same point along the SUV spectrum - not to mention price range. >How about the Explorer, Trooper, Blazer, Montero, and if the budget >allows, the Land Cruiser? Any advice on HOW to buy a Land Cruiser? My local Toyota dealer says they get two a year, and if I want one I can just get on the waiting list. Forget about a test drive or even kicking the tires. And if they are that rare, I doubt there is much of a parts inventory on hand. -- Jonathan Edwards edwards@intranet.com IntraNet, Inc 617-527-7020 ";-1;0 "From: masaoki@hpysodk.tky.hp.com (Masaoki Kobayashi) Subject: --- CR-ROM Drive Recommendation? --- Organization: YHP Hachioji HSTD R&D, Tokyo Japan Lines: 24 Hi all, I would like to purchase CD-ROM drive. The specs I would like to have is: * Applicable to Kodak multisession Photo-CD * SCSI(2) Interface * Compatible with Adaptec-1542B * Does not need any caddies * Cheaper ( < $500 if possible) * Double Speeded I believe there are no drives satisfying all of the above condition, so I would like to know all of your opinion. The above conditions are sorted by my priority. I think NEC CDR74-1/84-1 is a little bit expensive, but it DOES satisfy almost all of the above conditions. The problem is that I do not know the compatibility with 1542B. Has someone succeeded to connect these NEC drives to 1542B? I have heard a rumor that NEC drive is incompatible with 1542B adapter. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Kobayashi,Masaoki (masaoki@tky.hp.com) ";-1;0 "From: rdl1@ukc.ac.uk (R.D.Lorenz) Subject: Cold Gas tanks for Sounding Rockets Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK. Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: eagle.ukc.ac.uk >Does anyone know how to size cold gas roll control thruster tanks >for sounding rockets? Well, first you work out how much cold gas you need, then make the tanks big enough. Working out how much cold gas is another problem, depending on vehicle configuration, flight duration, thruster Isp (which couples into storage pressure, which may be a factor in selecting tank wall thickness etc.) Ralph Lorenz Unit for Space Sciences University of Kent, UK ";-1;0 "From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) Subject: hating the sin but not the sinner? Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Distribution: usa Lines: 26 What are the consequences of the homophobic ranting of the self-righteous? Well, I just noted this on another group, and thought I'd pass it along. The context is talk.origins, and a report of yet another ""debate"" that was nothing but an attempt at mindless bullying and factless assertion by a standard-issue Creationist. The writer reflects that the behavior reported reminds him of some Christian groups he has known. I believe that the writer is a (non-homosexual) Christian: + There is a very effective technique used to promote + unit cohesion among the Soldiers of the Lord. It is + called ""witnessing""... I've seen this process used well + and poorly; the near devil worship I mention was a group + ... that was using the witnessing to get people lathered + up to go kill homosexuals or at least terrorize them off + campus as it was clearly God's will that they do so. I have deleted the specifics of the location, as I do not believe it characteristic of the place (a state in which I spent my formative first 10 years), though it *does* have, unfortunately, a subpopulation that this remark fits to a tee. -- Michael L. Siemon I say ""You are gods, sons of the mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless - or - you shall die like men, and fall mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince."" Psalm 82:6-7 ";19;1 "From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) Subject: Re: Motif maling list Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Originator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov The motif mailing list will now be located at lobo.gsfc.nasa.gov If you would like to be added (or deleted) from this list, please send mail to motif-request@lobo.gsfc.nasa.gov to mail to the list, send mail to motif@lobo.gsfc.nasa.gov Brian -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan ";-1;0 "From: jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) Subject: ADB Mouse II (ergo) -- when? Organization: USC-ISI Lines: 11 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.isi.edu When is Apple supposed to start bundlign the new ergonomic ADB Mouse II with all CPUs sold? jas -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey A. Sullivan | Research Scientist et al. jas@isi.edu (Internet) | Information Sciences Institute 72511,402 (Compuserve) | University of Southern California ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Surviving Large Accelerations? From: lpham@eis.calstate.edu (Lan Pham) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 25 Amruth Laxman writes: > Hi, > I was reading through ""The Spaceflight Handbook"" and somewhere in > there the author discusses solar sails and the forces acting on them > when and if they try to gain an initial acceleration by passing close to > the sun in a hyperbolic orbit. The magnitude of such accelerations he > estimated to be on the order of 700g. He also says that this is may not > be a big problem for manned craft because humans (and this was published > in 1986) have already withstood accelerations of 45g. All this is very > long-winded but here's my question finally - Are 45g accelerations in > fact humanly tolerable? - with the aid of any mechanical devices of > course. If these are possible, what is used to absorb the acceleration? > Can this be extended to larger accelerations? are you sure 45g is the right number? as far as i know, pilots are blackout in dives that exceed 8g - 9g. 45g seems to be out of human tolerance. would anybody clarify this please. lan > > Thanks is advance... > -Amruth Laxman > ";-1;0 "From: Steve@Busop.cit.wayne.edu (Steve Teolis) Subject: Re: *** TurboGrafx System For SALE *** Organization: Wayne State University Lines: 38 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.217.75.24 >TurboGrafx-16 Base Unit (works like new) with: > 1 Controller > AC Adapter > Antenna hookup > * Games: > Kieth Courage > Victory Run > Fantasy Zone > Military Madness > Battle Royal > Legendary Axe > Blazing Lasers > Bloody Wolf > > -------------------------------------- >* Will sell games separatley at $25 each > -------------------------------------- Your kidding, $210.00, man o man, you can buy the system new for $49.00 at Electronic Boutique and those games are only about $15 - $20.00 brand new. Maybe you should think about that price again if you REALLY need the money. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Wayne State University Steve Teolis 6050 Cass Ave. # 238 Detroit, MI 48202 Steve@Busop.cit.wayne.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ";-1;0 "From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) Subject: Turbomodem+ (Complete Pc) question Nntp-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 43 I'm trying to transfer some software between two machines and I'm having real trouble. My own Intel 14.4k ( v32/v32bis/v42/v42bis) works fine--I just talk to it at 56k and everything comes out clear. This other modem, at the other machine, is a ""Turbomodem+"" from ""The Complete PC"" (the machines are in seperate houses, so a direct serial link is impossible, and copying this much data to disk is a pain--easier to turn the machines on for a few hours and go see a movie--no, this is not pirated software). I am having no end of trouble trying to set it up. It will dial and connect just fine--at 9600 baud. But if I try to set the comm at 19k2, 38.4k or 56kbps, the stupid thing connects, but just gives garbage (it connects 14.4k). His machine (a dx48633) has a 16550AFN UART, so that's not the problem. It seems to me that the stupid thing wants to talk to a comm program _at_ 14.400bps, even though it will take dialing instructions at 56k (and respond OK, etc. to other commands). I don't have a comm program that can do precisely 14.4k. I looked at the manual but it was unclear. All I know is, I didn't have this trouble with the Intel--it came ready to connect this way. Do I need to initialize it any way in particular? Also, it's _using_ V.42bis and V.42 (and MNP5) when connecting here (i.e., at 9600, since our tests at 14k4 are zip so far) but it doesn't _say_ so there. any ideas? (BTW: I tried the initialization string that I use for my modem, but it just gives ERROR on that one) -- MOSCOW: A grandfather who taught literature in an orphanage has gone on trial in Rostov-on-the-Don after confessing to more than 50 gruesome sexual murders whose victims included children as young as eight. -- Events in modern history, from the Sunday Mail, 19-Apr-92 ";-1;0 "From: kiran@village.com (Kiran Wagle) Subject: Replacing internal FDHD w/ floptical? Organization: the Syllabub Sea Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Hi all, I have a IIsi with a floppy drive that might be bad (and might just be out of alignment, I haven't checked yet. :-)) If the drive is not easily reparable, I'd like to replace it with an _internal_ floptical. Can this be easily done? Can it be done at all? I'm assuming that floptical drives can read and write both 800k and 1.4k floppies. If this is not in fact true, please tell me. Thanks in advance, ~ Kiran ";-1;0 "From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 57 In article <1993Apr15.215833.15970@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes: >> What about the Twelve Imams, who he considered incapable of error >> or sin? Khomeini supports this view of the Twelve Imans. This is >> heresy for the very reasons I gave above. >I would be happy to discuss the issue of the 12 Imams with you, although >my preference would be to move the discussion to another >newsgroup. I feel a philosophy or religion group would be more >appropriate. I think many reading this group would also benefit by knowing how deviant the view _as I've articulated it above_ (which may not be the true view of Khomeini) is from the basic principles of Islam. So that the non-muslim readers of this group will see how far from the simple basics of Islam such views are on the face of them. And if they are _not_ in contradiction with the basics of Islam, how subtle such issues are and how it seems sects exist in Islam while they are explicitly proscribed by the Qur'an. >The topic is deeply embedded in the world view of Islam and the >esoteric teachings of the Prophet (S.A.). Heresy does not enter >into it at all except for those who see Islam only as an exoteric >religion that is only nominally (if at all) concerned with the metaphysical >substance of man's being and nature. In my opinion considering any human being as having a substance or metaphysical fundamentally different from that of any other human being _is_ a heretical notion and one proscribed by Islam. >From your posts, you seem fairly well versed in Sunni thought. You >should seek to know Shi'ite thought through knowledgeable >Shi'ite authors as well - at least that much respect is due before the >charge of heresy is levelled. Absolutely! I would be interested in discussing this privately and I am interested in hearing how one might try to make the concept of error-free and sinless human beings philosophically consistent with the teachings of the Qur'an. However, _prima facie_ such attemptsa are highly susceptible to degenerating into monkery, explicitly proscribed by the Qur'an. >As salaam a-laikum Alaikum Wassalam Gregg ";-1;0 "From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Jewish Broadcasters (was Jewish Baseball Players?) Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 33 In article ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL) writes: > >Roger Lustig (roger@crux.Princeton.EDU) wrote: >> In article <1993Apr16.220309.1@acad.drake.edu> sbp002@acad.drake.edu writes: >> >In article , Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein) writes: >> >> For that matter, how many Gentleman of The Press Box have been Jewish? The >> >> only Jewish sportscaster that comes to mind is Steve Williams (?), who had >> >> a Phillies show on KYW in Philadelphia in the 80s. >> >Howard Cosell is one who comes to mind. >> Gee, d'ya think Len Berman's Jewish? > >How about Steve Stone of WGN who does the Cubs? We already got him under Pitchers, Overrated, Jewish. >or Tony Korhiezer and Shirly Povich (Maury's dad) of the Washington Post? Probably. Is SHirley P still alive? Just wondering. Roger >-Danny > > > > > > > ";14;1 "From: mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Nntp-Posting-Host: herky.cs.uiowa.edu Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Lines: 16 From article <1qvgu5INN2np@lynx.unm.edu>, by osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek Osinski): > Well, it did not take long to see how consequent some Greeks are in > requesting that Thessaloniki are not called Solun by Bulgarian netters. > So, Napoleon, why do you write about Konstantinople and not Istanbul? > > Marek Osinski Thessaloniki is called Thessaloniki by its inhabitants for the last 2300 years. The city was never called Solun by its inhabitants. Instabul was called Konstantinoupolis from 320 AD until about the 1920s. That's about 1600 years. There many people alive today who were born in a city called Konstantinoupolis. How many people do you know that were born in a city called Solun. Napoleon ";-1;0 "From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary, the catechist) Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 45 In article tbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: >I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but >definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion >about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the >effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus >as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew, >buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not >believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be >lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only >god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions. Dear Tim: You say that you were a ""catholic,"" but if you do not believe in the Christian God (I suppose that means the God of the Bible) and publicly state this, you are in all probability not a Roman Catholic. ""Public heretics, even those who err in good faith (material heretics), do not belong to the body of the Church"" (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, 1960, Ludwig Ott, p. 311). All is not lost, however, as you still might belong spiritually to the Church by your desire to belong to it. As you said, only God can judge the condition of a man's soul. About judgment, on the other hand, St. Paul 1 Cor 5:12) urges Christians to judge their fellow Christians. Following the Apostle's teaching, I judge that you should reconsider returning to the Christian fold and embrace the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is the God who lives. Concerning what you were told about non-believers when you were a catholic, that is true. As I have posted before, Vatican II (Lumen Gentium, II, n. 16) teaches: ""Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Chruch, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and moved by grace, try in their actions to do His will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation."" Responding to your solicitation for opinions on the thinking processes of God, the best I can do is refer you to Scripture. Scripture is one of the best sources for learning what can be known about God. Stick with the best. -- boundary, the catechist no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, tr. esp. Vulgata Latina) ";-1;0 "From: penev@rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cached) IDE Controller Reply-To: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu Organization: Rockefeller University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: usa X-Posted-From: venezia.rockefeller.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 19 On 15 Apr 1993 20:14:20 GMT Divya Sundaram (sundaram@egr.msu.edu) wrote: | I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers. | I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard. | What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work | under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W). I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between 5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the interface between the controller and the memory. My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance. -- Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu Disclaimer: All oppinions are mine. ";-1;0 "From: jk87377@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana) Subject: Re: More gray levels out of the screen Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 21 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi In article <1993Apr6.011605.909@cis.uab.edu> sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) writes: > >Why didn't you create 8 grey-level images, and display them for >1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128... time slices? By '8 grey level images' you mean 8 items of 1bit images? It does work(!), but it doesn't work if you have more than 1bit in your screen and if the screen intensity is non-linear. With 2 bit per pixel; there could be 1*c_1 + 4*c_2 timing, this gives 16 levels, but they are linear if screen intensity is linear. With 1*c_1 + 2*c_2 it works, but we have to find the best compinations -- there's 10 levels, but 16 choises; best 10 must be chosen. Different compinations for the same level, varies a bit, but the levels keeps their order. Readers should verify what I wrote... :-) Juhana Kouhia ";-1;0 "From: weber@sipi.usc.edu (Allan G. Weber) Subject: Need help with Mitsubishi P78U image printer Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 26 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: sipi.usc.edu Our group recently bought a Mitsubishi P78U video printer and I could use some help with it. We bought this thing because it (1) has a parallel data input in addition to the usual video signal inputs and (2) claimed to print 256 gray level images. However, the manual that came with it only describes how to format the parallel data to print 1 and 4 bit/pixel images. After some initial problems with the parallel interface I now have this thing running from a parallel port of an Hewlett-Packard workstation and I can print 1 and 4 bit/pixel images just fine. I called the Mitsubishi people and asked about the 256 level claim and they said that was only available when used with the video signal inputs. This was not mentioned in the sales literature. However they did say the P78U can do 6 bit/pixel (64 level) images in parallel mode, but they didn't have any information about how to program it to do so, and they would call Japan, etc. Frankly, I find it hard to believe that if this thing can do 8 bit/pixel images from the video source, it can't store 8 bits/pixel in the memory. It's not like memory is that expensive any more. If anybody has any information on getting 6 bit/pixel (or even 8 bit/pixel) images out of this thing, I would greatly appreciate your sending it to me. Thanks. Allan Weber Signal & Image Processing Institute University of Southern California weber@sipi.usc.edu ";1;1 "From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) Subject: Why the algorithm is secret Distribution: na Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma Lines: 15 My thoughts on why the algorithm is secret : The chip is (regretably) likely to become a standard. There will be many applications where economic factors dictate use of this chip, like it or not. If the alrogithm is public, and the code is as secure (absent the access to escrowed keys) as represented, an enterprising sort would make ""compatible crypto chips for which no key had been escrowed"". This is likely what the release was refering to when they refered to the secrecy of the algorithm protecting the security of the escrow system. rob boudrie ";-1;0 "From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: President's Remarks at Town Hall Meeting Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 530 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 13, 1993 REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT, SECRETARY OF EDUCATION RICHARD RILEY AND SECRETARY OF LABOR ROBERT REICH IN GOALS 2000 SATELLITE TOWN HALL MEETING Chamber of Commerce Building Washington, D.C. 8:30 P.M. EDT SECRETARY RILEY: Good evening and welcome to all of you in the thousands of communities around the country that are taking part in this satellite town meeting for the month of April. You know, today is April 13th. In 1743, Thomas Jefferson was born, 250 years ago. I think that's appropriate to mention at the beginning of this meeting because since that time he has been, of course, a person who has been one that we've all followed in terms of our democracy and the importance of education here in this great country. The success of our democracy according to Jefferson really depends upon the success of our educational system. His philosophy of government, his belief in the importance of education is also very meaningful to our special guest here this evening. Tonight we're so pleased to have with us President Clinton. He's come over from the White House to join us in the Chamber of Commerce studios. Mr. President, it's good to have you. We thank you for taking the time to visit with these communities here on the satellite network and we welcome you here this evening. Also we have with us Secretary of Labor Robert Reich. And, Bob, it's certainly pleasant to have you with us this evening also. I have some questions for our two guests, and I'm sure many of you do, too. So please call us if there's something that you'd like to ask. The number is 1/800/368-5781 or 5782. In Washington, D.C. the number is 202/463-3170 or 3171. I believe the President has a few words that he might want to share with us. And, Mr. President, I'll ask you to do that at this time. It's great to have you. THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary. I'm glad to be here with my friends, Dick Riley and Bob Reich -- also members of my Cabinet -- at the headquarters of the Chamber of Commerce to support the effort that the Chamber is making, along with its Center for Work Force Preparation, to help to examine tonight the whole critical question of how to move our young people from school to the work place. I want to compliment the Chamber on all their efforts, recognizing that without an educated work force we can't grow this economy or remain competitive, and recognizing that we all have to work together -- business and government, labor and educators -- to make things happen. This satellite town meeting is a good example of that kind of working together. And if you'll forgive me a little home state pride, I want to say a special word of thanks to the Wal-Mart Corporation, headquartered in Bentonville, Arkansas, for providing several hundred of the sites for this town meeting tonight. I appreciate that a lot, as well as the sites that are provided for all the rest of you. I have tried as hard as I could to move toward constructive change for this country. Secretary Riley talked about this being Thomas Jefferson's 250th birthday. If Thomas Jefferson believed in anything, he believed in these three things: first, in education; second, in real personal liberty, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of the press; and third, in the absolute imperative of changing as times change. If you go to the Jefferson Memorial here in this beautiful city, which is now bedecked with all of its wonderful cherry blossoms, you will see Jefferson saying that we have to change with changing times. For us here in America, that means reducing our deficit and increasing our investment and putting our people first so that we can compete in the world. We're here to talk about that tonight -- about what we can do to educate and train our people better. Unless we do that, none of the efforts that all the rest of us make in government, even to bring the budget into balance, even to increase our investment in other things which will grow jobs, will last in the long run. We also have to have people who can carry their load. And in a world where the average young person will change jobs seven or eight times in a lifetime, that begins with the education system and continues into the work force where education must go on for a lifetime. It's not just important what you know, but what you can learn. And if I might, I'd like to close just by emphasizing we're doing our best to try to have the most innovative partnership between the Labor Department and the Education Department and the private sector to build a good school-to-work transition. And we're trying to get off to a good start this summer with a program that would create more than 700,000 new summer jobs, including many thousands that have a strong education component so our young people can be learning and working at the same time. Dick, I think I ought to stop there. That's a good place we can begin, I think, the discussion. SECRETARY RILEY: Thank you so much, Mr. President. Each month we get together and talk about ways that all citizens can work towards reaching the national education goals. And tonight, we'll focus on goal five, and how communities such as yours can prepare students for this world of work. This week, the Education Department and the Labor Department are hosting a conference here in Washington, D.C. called Summer Challenge, a program of work and learning, to America's youth. The aim is to use some special funds from President Clinton's proposed economic stimulus package to provide educationally-enriched jobs and summer school programs for young people in disadvantaged areas of the country. Mr. President, let's talk a minute -- you alluded to it somewhat -- about the Summer Youth Challenge. Your program calls for more educational enrichment in the summer jobs. And why in your words is that so important? THE PRESIDENT: I think it's important for two reasons. First of all, a lot of the young people we're trying to reach may have had trouble adjusting to school and learning. And while we want them to have a good experience with a real job, we also want them to continue to learn during the summer because we know from a lot of research that a lot of kids that have trouble learning in school may forget as much as 30 percent of what they learned the previous year over the summertime. And that is a very unproductive thing for schools to have to take up a lot of time teaching what they already taught before. Secondly, we want to help these young people progress, not only in terms of work, but in terms of learning. We want to abolish the artificial dividing line between what is work and what is learning because we think that the best and most productive workers will have to be lifetime learners. And we think that this experience could maybe drive that point home and prepare these young people to succeed in school, or at work, or in college as they go on. SECRETARY RILEY: Well, I think the fact that these are disadvantaged kids -- that gap, that lag you mentioned as they go into the next year, is really even greater. Secretary Reich, of course, you have training programs throughout the year. And I wonder is you have any comment about this educational component of training. SECRETARY REICH: Well, what we've learned, Mr. Secretary, is that for many young people, whether it's for the summer or for the year, actually on-the-job work experience combined with education is one of the best ways of learning. Many young people, for example, have a lot -- they have a difficult time learning geometry. But when they actually are there building something or working on something, and they can see the exact and direct application of geometry, they understand what it's used for. And a lot of young people -- just that sense of connection between education and the world of work is terribly, terribly important. It's important during the summer, but it's important for a lot of young people even beyond the summer. SECRETARY RILEY: Thank you. Mr. President, you've called for a youth apprenticeship program, school-to-work transition. And I wonder if you would tell us a little bit about your concept of that and how you see it developing. THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, let's talk about why it's important. Most new jobs that will be created in this decade will not require a four-year college degree, but most of them will require some learning and skills that go well beyond what most people get in a high school diploma. If you look at the last 10 years, the average salaries of young people that had at least two years of good post-high school education was a good salary that went up over the decade. The young people who had less than that tended to have lower wages that did not go up, and in many cases in real terms fell over the decade, because they weren't productive, they weren't more valuable to their employers. So we think America has a big economic interest in trying to ensure that all the young people who get out of high school but don't go on to college make a transition to work, which includes two years of further training either in a community college, a vocational setting, or perhaps on the job. And what I have done in this budget, as you know, is to give you and Secretary Reich some funds and some incentives to try to work in partnership with states and with the private sector to build these programs state-by-state in a way that would be customized essentially by the business community, based on the needs of the economy in any given area. It could revolutionize long-term the quality of the American work force and the earnings of American workers. SECRETARY REICH: I should add, Mr. President -- I think you know this from your experience in Arkansas -- and many of the people watching this program -- that the business community and educators, labor groups are already in many of our communities, many of our states, building a school-to-work transition program. In fact, there's an awful lot of ferment, a lot of excitement. The people watching this program probably are the ones who are most directly involved in that. And more power to them. Secretary Riley and I are going to do everything we can to build on the successes already out there. SECRETARY RILEY: Bob, we're going to be talking tonight about youth apprenticeship and tech prep, the co-op learning career academies. And what features all those programs that deal with this subject -- what are some of the features that every one of these school-to-work programs might have that are important? SECRETARY REICH: Well, one thing that we've seen -- and you and I have been working at this for a long time, and you much longer than I -- we've seen that active involvement of the business community is absolutely essential. And I'm so delighted that we're doing this in the headquarters of the Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber of Commerce of the United States is committed to doing these kinds of programs -- training, education, retraining -- and we've aimed to work very closely with the Chamber. The business community is going to be actively engaged in developing almost an audit of the kind of jobs that are needed and helping the educators, community colleges, technical institutions develop curricula that are relevant for the jobs of the future. Communities have got to come together. I mean, this is one of the most important things. You've got to have all of these players in a community come together and work together and cooperate together. You know, too often we have the educators over here and the business leaders over here, labor groups over here and everybody is talking, but they're not really working together in a common strategy. And the third and final ingredient I would say, Dick, would be a commitment to excellence -- a commitment both to academic excellence and also to skills development excellence. This is not a tracking program we're talking about for kids who are not going to make it. This is a program that every young person ought to be eligible for. If they want to go on beyond that to four-year college, that's fine. That ought to be permissible. But we're talking about the foundation of learning about jobs, the foundation skills for on-the-job learning. And again, those are the critical components. It's already being done. THE PRESIDENT: I think -- if I might just interject one point based on my personal experience at home -- the business community has a critical role to play, not simply in saying here are the job skills that are needed and here's what ought to be taught, but also in monitoring that excellence. If you have the right sort of partnership there, the people who are paying the taxes and who are going to then be hiring the workers are not going to permit the second-rate programs to survive if they have any way to shape and influence them. So I think that's very important. And when we try to, if you will, fill in the blanks at the federal level, trying to set some standards and provide some funds, one of the things that we want to be sure and do is to make sure that the employer has a heavy amount of influence over the quality of these programs, because that's really what's going to determine whether the whole thing is worthwhile. SECRETARY RILEY: That's great. We've been talking, of course, about school-to-work and also the jobs and economic recovery program for this summer and fall. But let's talk just a moment about long-term school reform. It's something especially close to me. Mr. President, I wonder if you would give us some of your ideas for the communities out here on Goals 2000 legislation that I think will be coming forth before too long. THE PRESIDENT: Well, as you know, back when you and I were both governors, we spent a lot of time working on our public schools and we tried to be very candid with our people in saying that a lot of these things were going to take some time to materialize. I had a hand in writing the National Education Goals that the governors drafted, along with representatives of President Bush's administration back in 1989. And what we're going to try to do this year with your leadership is to introduce legislation in Congress that will actually define the things that the national government ought to do to try to help the local schools and the children of this country and the adult learners, too, meet those goals -- making sure that when -- by 2000, people show up for school ready to learn; that we get a 90 percent on-time high school graduation rate; that children at the 4th, 8th, and 12th grades are confident in the subjects they're supposed to know; that they are second to none in math and science; that are schools are safe, disciplined, and drug-free. And, of course, the fifth goal --I took them out of line to say this the last -- is that we have a system of life-long learning in this country. And each one of those goals there's a national role, a state role, a school role, school district role, and a private sector role. And what you've attempted to do in this bill you're going to introduce with me in the next few weeks is to define what our job is; and then to give the rest of America a way of defining what their job is and seeing whether we're actually meeting the standards of quality that we need to meet. It's very exciting. So far as I know, nothing quite like it has ever been done in the form of federal legislation before. Not mandating and telling people what they have to do with their money, but actually setting up a framework for excellence and partnerships so that we can do our job. I'm really excited about it. SECRETARY RILEY: Well, I am, too. And I think really it will be an entirely new role for the federal government in terms of its relationship with states, serving as a partner really to support and facilitate and to help out in these education reform efforts, all driven by high standards. That's the point. Bob, let me ask you one question, and then we'll get to the telephone calls. It's about the same subject. We have, of course, skills standards that are going to be part of Goals 2000, and I wonder if you would comment on that. SECRETARY REICH: Well, you know, we have 75 percent of our young people who don't graduate from college. Very often they don't have very many alternatives. They do have a wonderful system of community colleges and technical institutions, but if we had national skill standards to which they could aspire and which employers would understand as a national credential, many of these young people would actually find that they were much more eligible for jobs. Everybody doesn't have to go to college. Other countries you have smaller proportions of their population going to college, but you have a whole level of people who have certain technical, preprofessional skills. We can do it in this country. If you don't go to four-year college you're not a loser. And we want to develop those national skill standards. We're going to be working with the states, with the Education Department, with a lot of private industry in developing those standards. And I think they will be the kinds of things that enable our vocational and technical and other institutions to rally around, as well as our business community. SECRETARY RILEY: Well, that's great. Why don't we go ahead and go to the telephone. We have a call, I see -- Mayor Bruce Todd of Austin, Texas. Q Yes, Mr. President and Mr. Secretary Reich and Riley, we certainly appreciate the opportunity to join you today. We have some dedicated professionals and volunteers here in Austin who have heard what you have said and are very appreciative. Let me simply say, amen to some of the comments made already. We agree with much of the tone that the Clinton administration has taken, and are very supportive. We have been successful here in Austin of tripling our summer employment program over the last four years. We expect to have over 2,000 employed this year in the summertime; perhaps as much as 3,500 with the federal assistance. Much of the question that we had designed you have answered in your opening comments, so we must be thinking alike. But the question essentially involved what initiatives after Labor Day would be appropriate. We know summertime is important. Year-round is even more important. And what kind of initiatives at the federal level might be proposed to meet the needs of the youth on a year- round basis? And perhaps more importantly, how can families and the local community be more involved using the federal initiative? That's something that we believe is very important to success in this effort. SECRETARY RILEY: Mr. President. THE PRESIDENT: I think I'll give everybody a chance to answer the question, Bruce, but let me first thank you for calling, and thank you for all the great work that you're doing in Austin. I've seen some of it and I've always been very impressed. First, with regard to the summer program, we hope we can structure it in a way that will enable us to continue the summer program and that will move a lot of these young people back into schools under circumstances that might allow them to do some work in the private sector, too. We hope that -- Secretary Reich is going to try to set up a system where we create a lot of private sector jobs to be matched with the public sector jobs this summer. And we're working on that. Secondly, in the program that I have presented to the Congress over the next five years, what we are attempting to do is to build in an amount of investment that's quite substantial for job training programs, for school-to-work programs, all of which give heavy, heavy weight to local community input -- just the question you asked -- but do provide some federal investment dollars, which we hope you can put with local dollars to keep people working and being trained on a year-round basis. And I will say again, to echo what Secretary Reich said a moment ago, to try to break down the barrier between what is seen as work and what is seen as learning. An awful lot of young people actually have quite high IQs, but actually learn so much better when they're doing than when they're reading or just listening. So we hope that the community involvement part of it will be permanent, and we hope that if the whole budget passes -- and we do have 200 budget cuts and more than 200, actually, in the budget -- and some revenue raisers, and some new money for education and training, that we'll be able to do just what you seem to want based on your question. Bob, do you want to say anything? SECRETARY REICH: Well, you took most of the words out of my mouth, Mr. President, as usual. But let me just add one thing, and that is that one of the most important aspects of post-high school for a lot of young people who are not going on to college, in addition to the school-to-work program, simply is the availability of jobs. And we've got to get this economy moving again, obviously. It's terribly important to get this recovery program, to get the economy back on track. That's sort of the prerequisite to everything else. If we don't get the economy back on track -- we have -- I think this is the 16th -- correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. President -- I think is the 16th month we have had seven percent unemployment or greater. This is a jobless recovery. A lot of those kids are going to be getting out of school in June. And even if we did everything right, they would have a very, very hard time getting jobs. SECRETARY RILEY: Thank you both. Of course, Goals 2000 will be a permanent, long-term thing that will certainly reach into next year. It will involve, if passed -- and we certainly hope it will be -- action plans with every state where we can be working together to reach for the goals in a number of different ways. And then the state, with all the various school districts, a very important part of that will be citizen and parent involvement. And I think everybody will see a great energy out there, once we get that moving. The next call is Dr. Harry Heinemann, New York. Doctor? Q Good evening, Mr. Secretary. It is a pleasure to be on with you this evening. As you may know, bridging the school and work has been central to La Guardia's educational program since its inception in the 1970s, and that includes the college, the two alternative high schools that operate on our campus, and the linkages we have forged with the local schools. We have found this to be an extremely effective learning strategy. And over the years, we've come to believe that there are several principles that are very important in bridging the school and work. And these include integrating theory in the classroom with practice in the workplace, with providing all students early exposure to careers, as well as providing opportunities for them to reflect upon these experiences while they strengthen their skills; and lastly, the critical role of the liberal arts, particularly in the development of high performance competencies. My question, then is: How can the general education faculty and the academic curriculum be more closely integrated with transition to work experience? And what mechanisms and strategies can you suggest to achieve this integration? SECRETARY RILEY: Well, thank you very much. I think -- and we'll get a response from you all on that, and very interesting work going on there. We're going to have three people, our next guests on the program this evening, that will be some specialists in that area that you're speaking, and I'll certainly pass that on to them and we can discuss it later. You all care to comment -- any comments you might have? THE PRESIDENT: I'd just like to say, if I might, one thing. I want to reemphasize this and I don't think I'm being as clear about it as I'd like, although I think at least one of the people who will be on the second panel will be able to say it more explicitly than I. I think this whole concept of applied academics is very important. And I think that we have to basically abolish what I consider to be a very artificial distinction between what is vocational learning and what is academic learning. I think we should keep the liberal arts going. I think we should have a strong component for people who are in the vocational program. SECRETARY REICH: It seems to me that we also need to rethink our entire tracking system, because a lot of these school and work combinations are important for mainstream students. They're important for all students. It's not just a special group of students that needs them. Some of the experiments that I've seen around the United States -- Dick, I'm sure you've seen them as well -- are mainstream experiments. They're mainstreaming all the students. At 11th and 12th grades they're giving them a combined work and school experience and then a transition program. And again, the kids can either go on to college if they want; they can go on to technical community; they can go on to an entirely -- a large variety of possibilities and career directions. But we have to get away from the stigmatizing that often goes on with young people who simply are doing job-related or work- related work within the classroom, within our schools. SECRETARY RILEY: Thank you, very much. I think that's going to be the last call that we have time for. Mr. President, I think you've got to move on to another matter, and I want to thank you and Secretary Reich for being here. We appreciate your time and your ideas, and it's been a tremendous help to us. END9:00 P.M. EDT ";18;1 "From: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Choi) Subject: Re: HONGKONG Organization: FidoNet node 1:2240/175.5 - Association Mac BBS, Grand Blanc MI Lines: 25 ku> From: kinau@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU (Kin Hung Au) Date: 13 Apr 93 ku> 07:22:05 GMT Organization: California State University, Fresno ku> Message-ID: Newsgroups: ku> comp.sys.mac.hardware ku> ku> In Hong Kong , you can buy a cheap PC 386 or 486 based computer. ku> However, it is very experience to buy a Macintosh. Last winter, I was ku> back to Hong Kong. I saw the price of Mac Classic in Hong kong is same ku> price to buy a LC in the U.S. ku> ku> I am not recommended to buy MAc in Hong Kong since Mac is not popular ku> in HK. ku> ku> Kin Hung Au Hello Mr. Au, I have to disagree regarding your assessment of Macintosh in Hong Kong. The Mac has a sizeable share of the typesetting market, as in the U.S. A local magazine, Next Magazine (similar to Newsweek here), uses the Mac extensively. I have seen Sir Speedy and other franchises in Hong Kong equipped with Mac-based systems. True, the discount is not as steep as here because customers in Hong Kong cannot buy from gray market, nor are Mac being sold thru mass merchandisers like Apple does here with the Performa lin e. At this point the sale of Mac is handled by one exclusive distributor. On the other hand, you can always get a PC clone or in the earlier days, illegal clones of the Apple IIe. Your perception of the Mac not being too popular in Hong Kong is simply because most hobbyists and users find it much cheaper to go to one of those basement stores that sell PC clones with probably illegal copies of BIOS than to pay for a Mac. Similarly you cannot say Lotus 1-2-3 surely is not well accepted in Hong Kong because the sale is so low. May be it is because of all those places in Kowloon where illegal copies of Lotus 1-2-3 can be bought for $20 and $10 for a professional looking but illegal copies of the manuals. -- =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= Eric Choi - Internet: Eric.Choi@p5.f175.n2240.z1.fidonet.org ";-1;0 "From: glb6j@smarine.UUCP (Guy Babineau) Subject: How do you find a window id given its name Keywords: xlib xwininfo Reply-To: virginia.edu!smarine.uucp!glb6j Organization: Sperry Marine, Inc. Lines: 15 I want to do the equivalent of an ""xwininfo -name"" via a call or set of calls in Xlib. I need to map a windows name to its id. It's probably easy, but I've only been programming in X for a little while. I've looked in the O'reilly books and didn't find it and I also checked the FAQ and couldn't find it. Email to one of the following addresses and I'll post a response if it seems reasonable to do so. Guy -- Guy L. Babineau virginia.edu!smarine.uucp!glb6j Sperry Marine Inc. 72147.2474@compuserve.com ";-1;0 "From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) Subject: Re: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1 Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 13 In article feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes: >I predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the >Federal Assault in Waco will result in future assaults of that type >being conducted as full-scale military operations with explicit >shoot-to-kill directives. You mean they aren't already? Could have fooled me. -- REMEMBER WACO! Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you? [Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.] ";-1;0 "From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 47 In article <1993Apr16.200354.8045@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: > >In article lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (La >wrence C. Foard) writes: >>In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >>> >>> >>>From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: >>> >>> Male sex survey: Gay activity low >>> >>> A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough >>> examination of American men's sexual practices published since >>> the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 >>> percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and >>> 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. >>> >>> The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday >>> by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than >>> the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional >>> wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. >> >>1) So what? > >So there are less gays, then the gays claim. Last I checked I was one person, I haven't even been elected as a representative for ""gaydom"". Should I ascribe every thing you say as representing every member of the straight community? >>2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers >> gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of >> us then this is an event unprecidented in history... >> > >Dream on. Abortion and African-American Civil rights rallies don't even bring >in half of that. Thats the point. If there are several million queers in DC you had better start wondering about the validity of the study. -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . ";-1;0 "From: vg@volkmar.Stollmann.DE (Volkmar Grote) Subject: IBM PS/1 vs TEAC FD Distribution: world Organization: Me? Organized? Lines: 21 Hello, I already tried our national news group without success. I tried to replace a friend's original IBM floppy disk in his PS/1-PC with a normal TEAC drive. I already identified the power supply on pins 3 (5V) and 6 (12V), shorted pin 6 (5.25""/3.5"" switch) and inserted pullup resistors (2K2) on pins 8, 26, 28, 30, and 34. The computer doesn't complain about a missing FD, but the FD's light stays on all the time. The drive spins up o.k. when I insert a disk, but I can't access it. The TEAC works fine in a normal PC. Are there any points I missed? Thank you. Volkmar --- Volkmar.Grote@Stollmann.DE ";-1;0 "From: Thomas Kephart Subject: Re: Thanks Apple: Free Ethernet on my C610! Organization: Case School of Engineering Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 12:50:55 GMT In article Gregory Nelson, gnelson@pion.rutgers.edu writes: > Oh, and the screen seems tojump in a wierd way on power-up. >I've seen this mentioned by others, so it must be a...feature... > Anyway, above all, it's fast. A great machine at a great price! Well, I saw a few posts on this and asumed that everyone is talking about the new 14"" display... mine does it to... kinda like when I would degauss my old 13"", and since the new one lacks this button, I assume that is what it is doing... anyone that knows I'd appreciate the info, but it doesn't worry me... -t ";-1;0 "From: ellens@bnr.ca (Chris Ellens) Subject: Re: HD Setup Partition (Was: OK to set 54 lbs on top of Centris 610??? Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm422 Organization: Bell-Northern Research Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr15.143516.17221@urbana.mcd.mot.com>, feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mike Feldman) wrote: > > > Now if I can figure out if there's any hope using the ""partition"" button > on the hard disk setup utility (do I dare just try it and see what happens?), > then maybe I can divide up the wealth among the family members a bit more > securly. The ""getting more information"" section of the manual suggested > trying other avenues before calling Apple, but didn't mention the net. > -- > Mike Feldman, Motorola Computer Group, (217) 384-8538, FAX (217) 384-8550 > 1101 East University Avenue Pager in IL (800) 302-7738, (217) 351-0009 > Urbana, IL 61801-2009 (mcdphx|uiucuxc)!udc!feldman feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com The Partition button in Apple's HD Setup lets you set up A/UX and other types of partitions. It WON'T let you create more than one normal mac volume. You need SilverLining or something similar to do that. It WILL, however, allow you to take advantage of some possible unused space on your hard disk, if you don't mind reformatting the whole thing. Chris Ellens ellens@bnr.ca ";-1;0 "From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr5.165709.4347@midway.uchicago.edu> dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >>But there is a base of true absolute morality that we can stand on. > >Note that if the majority of people remain unconvinced, this idea >probably isn't worth very much in a pragmatic sense. Maybe not to you. But to those who stand on this base, He is precious. Link ";-1;0 "From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard? Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 26 In article jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: >seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes: > >> In Quebec French, the word for the celebration of the resurrection is >> ""Pa^ques""--this is etymologically related to Pesach (Passover) and the >> pascal lamb. So is the French Canadian (mostly Roman Catholic) celebration >> better because it uses the right name? > >I was at my parents' Seder and noticed the labelling on one of the >packages was English, Hebrew and French. In the phrase ""kosher for >passover"" the French word used was ""Pa^ques."" We've deliberately >mistranslated this at the Kulikauskas home and keep referring to foods >being kosher for Easter. :-) however, the word ""pa^ques"" in french _is_ the word for easter. ask any francophone, whether from quebec or from paris. besides, haven't you heard of the phrase ""the paschal lamb"" (meaning jesus)? sorry to nitpick on the more trivial part of this thread.... :) vera ******************************************************************************* I am your CLOCK! | I bind unto myself today | Vera Noyes I am your religion! | the strong name of the | noye@midway.uchicago.edu I own you! | Trinity.... | no disclaimer -- what - Lard | - St. Patrick's Breastplate | is there to disclaim? ";17;1 "From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) Subject: Re: The Slaughter Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO Lines: 16 [followups to talk.politics.guns] rl> Russell Lawrence kr> Karl Rominger kr> I support the right of any citizen with out a criminal history to own and use firearms, regardless of race, gender, and RELIGION. rl> Thanks for admitting that you, yourself, adhere to an illogical dogma. Well, folks in t.p.guns, want to show how Russell's ""illogical dogma"" is wrong? -- Gary Strand Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF ";-1;0 "From: brandon@caldonia.nlm.nih.gov (Brandon Brylawski) Subject: Re: Should I be angry at this doctor? Organization: National Library of Medicine X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Distribution: na Lines: 30 mryan@stsci.edu writes: : Am I justified in being pissed off at this doctor? : : Last Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife. : I took him to a local ""Urgent and General Care"" clinic at 5:50 pm. The : clinic was open till 6:00 pm. The receptionist went to the back and told the : doctor that we were there, and came back and told us the doctor would not : see us because she had someplace to go at 6:00 and did not want to be delayed : here. During the next few minutes, in response to my questions, with several : trips to the back room, the receptionist told me: : - the doctor was doing paperwork in the back, : - the doctor would not even look at his finger to advise us on going : to the emergency room; : - the doctor would not even speak to me; : - she would not tell me the doctor's name, or her own name; : - when asked who is in charge of the clinic, she said ""I don't know."" : : I realize that a private clinic is not the same as an emergency room, but : I was quite angry at being turned away because the doctor did not want to : be bothered. My son did get three stitches at the emergency room. Speaking as a physician who works in an urgent care center, the above behavior is completely inappropriate. If a patient who requires extensive care shows up at the last minute, we always see them and give them appropriate care. It is reasonable for a clinic to refuse to see patients outside of its posted hours, but what you describe is misbehavior. Ask to speak to the clinic director, and complain. Whatever their attitude, they have nothing to gain from angering patients. Brandon Brylawski ";-1;0 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: TRUE ""GLOBE"", Who makes it? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 12 In article bill@xpresso.UUCP (Bill Vance) writes: >It has been known for quite a while that the earth is actually more pear >shaped than globular/spherical. Does anyone make a ""globe"" that is accurate >as to actual shape, landmass configuration/Long/Lat lines etc.? I don't think you're going to be able to see the differences from a sphere unless they are greatly exaggerated. Even the equatorial bulge is only about 1 part in 300 -- you'd never notice a 1mm error in a 30cm globe -- and the other deviations from spherical shape are much smaller. -- SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";-1;0 "From: parys@ccsua.ctstateu.edu Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Keywords: Success Lines: 140 Nntp-Posting-Host: ccsua.ctstateu.edu Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT I told some friends of mine two weeks ago that Koresh was dead. The FBI and the BATF could not let a man like that live. He was a testimonial to their stupidity and lies. Now before everyone gets crazy with me, let me say that Koresh was crazy as a bed bug, but out government was crazier...and they lied to us. They told us compound had been under survaillance for quite some time. Yet, whoever was watching the place failed to see that Koresh went jogging and into town on a regular basis. Everyone in the area claimed to have seen him and wondered why they didn't pick him up then. There are two possible answers. First, they didn't see him. What kind of survaillance is that? Second, they didn't care. They wanted a confrontation. They wanted publicity and they got it. After the first battle, they told us that they did not know he knew they were coming. They also said it would have been foolish to go in knowing that. Well, we know now that they intercepted the informants call and went in anyway. Did they explore all of the possibilities for ending the seige? According to them they did, but according to the Hartford Courant, the woman that raised Koresh (His Grandmother) was not allowed to go in and see him. The FBI agent who she spoke with was Bob Ricks and according to the paper he said: ""A lot of people think if you just talk to them logically they will come out. His grandmother raised Vernon Howell; (Koresh's Real name) she didn't raise David Koresh."" Someone who raises you and loves you does not speak to you strickly on a logical level. There is also an emotional level on which they can reach you. Here's another one. All during this operation the FBI has been claiming that they feared a mass suicide and that is one of the reasons that something must be done. Now they claim they never thought he would do it? I knew they were going to do something when they started talking about how much money this was costing. That was the start of the ""Justification"" part part of the plan. That's when I knew it would come soon. But, back to the plan. It is considered ""Cruel and Unusal Punishment"" to execute criminals in the minds of many people, but look at what's acceptable. They knew the parents (adults) had gas masks. They did not know, or were not sure, if the children had them. So the plan was to pour the gas into the compound. The mothers, seeing what the gas was doing to their children were supposed to run out and that would only leave the men to deal with. I spent two years in the army and like everyother veteran I went through CBR (Chemical, Biological Radiological) warfare training. Part of that training is going into a room filled with the same stuff that the children were subjected to. To make the stuff really interesting the gas also has a chemical agent that irritates the skin. You think its on fire. I have no doubts the children would become hysterical. Its not the kind of thing you never want to do again. This was the plan, the final solution. We waited 444 days for our hostages to come home from Iran. We gave these people 51 days. I stated on several occasions that there was absolutely nothing in this whole thing that the government could point to as a success. Well, FBI agent Ricks changed my mind. Again a newclip from the Hartford Courant: ""And while expressing regret at the loss of life, he suggested that the operation had been at least a modified success because not a single federal shot had been fired and not a single federal agent had been hurt."" It took 17 dead children to get us that new definition of success. One more thought. The government claimed that they believed he had automatic weapons on the premises. HE HAD A LICENSE FOR THE 50 CALIBER MACHINE GUN! THEY KNEW DAMN WELL HE HAD ONE. THEY ALSO KNEW HE HAD IT LEGALLY! Still, without the element of surprise they sent in agents to get him. For all of this my President takes full responsibility. What a guy! I hope he gets it. In article , exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor, The Sounding Board) writes: > In article <11974@prijat.cs.uofs.edu> bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >>Before you go absolving the BATF & FBI of all blame in this incident, you should >>probably be aware of two important facts. >>1. There is no such thing as non-toxic tear gas. Tear gas is non-breathable >> remaining in it's presence will cause nausea and vomiting, followed eventually >> by siezures and death. Did the FBI know the physical health of all the people >> they exposed?? Any potential heart problems among the B-D's?? > > No doubt it is dangerous stuff when concentrated. > >>2. Have you ever seen a tear gas canister?? Tear gas is produced by burning a >> chemical in the can. The fumes produced are tear gas. The canister has a >> warning printed on the side of it. ""Contact with flamable material can result >> in fire."" Now, how many of these canisters did they throw inside a building >> they admited was a fire-trap?? > > None. They used non-incindiary methods, which means they produced the gas > outside the building and pumped it in via the tanks. > > --- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------Visit the SOUNDING BOARD BBS +1 214 596 2915, a Wildcat! BBS------- > > ObDis: All opinions are specifically disclaimed. No one is responsible. > > Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems THX-1138 > exuptr@exu.ericsson.se ""Don't let the .se fool you"" ";-1;0 "From: g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman) Subject: Re: I've found the secret! Article-I.D.: nntpd.1993Apr15.193907.24177 Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr15.161730.9903@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes... > >Why are the Red Sox in first place? Eight games into the season, they >already have two wins each from Clemens and Viola. Clemens starts >again tonight, on three days rest. > >What's up? Are the Sox going with a four-man rotation? Is this why >Hesketh was used in relief last night? Clemens is going on his normal four days' rest (last pitched Saturday). Hesketh only pitched one inning yesterday afternoon, his first outing since an aborted 1-1/3 inning start 6 days before, so he should be plenty rested to go in his expected turn this Saturday, as the 5th starter. Not that this is a good thing, of course. I'd like to see a well-managed four-man rotation with this team... --- Glenn Waugaman Digital Equipment Corporation Littleton, MA g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com --- ";-1;0 "From: phil@flex.eng.mcmaster.ca (Phil Nguyen) Subject: How to unsubscribe from mailing list Keywords: unsubscribe Nntp-Posting-Host: flex.eng.mcmaster.ca Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Lines: 20 I try to unsubscribe from this group by sending an email but that doesn't work. Could some one tell me the listserv address and command for me to unsubcribe ? I am leaving this Friday (30th April 93) and the mail box will overflow soon after that. Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------- Philip Nguyen Research Engineer Flexible Manufacturing Research and Development Centre (FMR&D) McMaster University 1280 Main St. West Hamilton, On L8S 4L7 Voice: (416) 529-7070 ext 2902 or 7343 Fax: (416) 572-7944 e-mail: phil@flex.eng.mcmaster.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: f_tawb@va.nkw.ac.uk Subject: US SIMM prices please Organization: Natural Environment Research Council Lines: 15 Please could someone in the US give me the current street prices on the following, with and without any relevant taxes: 8 Mb 72 pin SIMM 16 Mb 72 pin SIMM (both for Mac LC III) Are any tax refunds possible if they are to be exported to the UK? Can you recommend a reliable supplier? As I am posting this from a friend's account, please reply direct to me at: s.fraser@ic.ac.uk Thanks in advance for any help :^) Simon ";-1;0 "From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 55 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: leghorn.engin.umich.edu In article <27837.2BD08C3A@zeus.ieee.org> Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Ameres) writes: >I believe it goes or will go: >680060 >powerPC >Pentium >680040 >486 >680030 >386 >680020 >286=680000 > I think this kind of comparison is pretty useless in general. The processor is only good when a good computer is designed around it adn the computer is used in its designed purpose. Comparing processor speed is pretty dumb because all you have to do is just increase the clock speed to increase speed among other things. I mean how can you say a 040 is faster than a 486 without giving is operational conditions? Can you say the same when you are running a program that uses a lot of transidental functions. Knowing that 040 does not have transidental functions building in to its FPU and 486 does, can you say that 040 is still faster? Anyway, I hope people do not decided upon wether a computers is good or not solely on its processor. Or how fast a processor is based on its name, because one can alway do a certain things to a processor to speed it up. But if we restrict our arguements to, for example, pure processor architectural issues. Or how one processor will work well and another will not based on its design, then we can get somewhere with our discussions. - Chung Yang >In a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was > slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed > for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie > quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so. > Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system > at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the > speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think > it laps the pentium. > >pro-life pro-women > > >-- >=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= > Michael Ameres - Internet: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org ";-1;0 " wupost!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgi!fido!solntze.wpd.sgi.com!livesey Subject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) <93089.050046MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> <1pa6ntINNs5d@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Mar30.205919.26390@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> <1pcnp3INNpom@gap.caltech.edu> <1pdjip$jsi@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1pi9jkINNqe2@gap.caltec Organization: sgi NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com Lines: 20 In article <1pi9jkINNqe2@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >>>How long does it [the motto] have to stay around before it becomes the |> >>>default? ... Where's the cutoff point? |> >>I don't know where the exact cutoff is, but it is at least after a few |> >>years, and surely after 40 years. |> >Why does the notion of default not take into account changes |> >in population makeup? |> |> Specifically, which changes are you talking about? Are you arguing |> that the motto is interpreted as offensive by a larger portion of the |> population now than 40 years ago? No, do I have to? I'm just commenting that it makes very little sense to consider everything we inherit to be the default. Seen any steam trains recently? jon. ";-1;0 "From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: Do trains/busses have radar? Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr15.111910.1@bronco.fnal.gov> colombo@bronco.fnal.gov (Rick 'Open VMS 4ever' Colombo) writes: > >I don't know about trains, but I've saw a sign on the back of a >Greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off. >It doesn't explain why, but it does set off my radar detector. Because Greyhound has apparently gotten around to installing their RADAR collision-prevention system. They use RADAR to monitor how close other vehicles are and how fast their relative speeds are, and signals a warning to the driver if they're coming up on something too fast or are getting too close. This is all I remember from the news reports a few months back; at the time, they were only talking about the possibility of installing the system. (They didn't mention how it worked in bumper-to-bumper traffic, or how it discriminated between a Camaro approaching at 120mph and ye olde bridge support in the median being approached at 60mph on a curve.) I do recall something about progressive stages of warnings, from flashing lights to audible warnings--ie, it goes from a red ""Too close"" light to hysterically screaming ""WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!"" :-) James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" ";-1;0 "From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST Lines: 16 In-reply-to: whaley@sigma.kpc.com's message of 15 Apr 93 18:39:31 GMT In article whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes: > Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics > don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your > rectangle? Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new item in a memory structure and let the expose event handler take care of rendering the image because at that time it is guaranteed that the Window is mapped. The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window is visible and mapped. Do you know the best way to ""tickle"" a window so that the expose event handler will be invoked to draw this new item? ";12;1 "From: mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky) Subject: Re: Desktop rebuild and Datadesk keyboard? Organization: dis Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu In article tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes: >Ijust got a new Datadesk 101E keyboard to go with my new Centris 610 and have a >problem doing desktop rebuilds. I hold down the Command and Option keys and >restart but nothing happens. The DIP switches are set the right way and the >Command and Option keys seem to work on anything else. I'm running 7.1 btw. >Anyone know what the problem is? >-Terry I am resending this message because my news program may have goofed the first time. Terry, I recently bought an LCIII and a Datadesk 101E. I don't remember trying to rebuild the desktop with it, however it did give me a strange problem. When I held down shift during startup to disable all extensions, nothing happened. I tried it with another keyboard, using the same adb connector cable- and it worked with the other keyboard. The shift key on the Datadesk keyboard worked well otherwise. I checked the dipswitches and they are fine. Try disabling your extensions and tell me if it works. I am annoyed with Datadesk. I sent them the keyboard in the mail for inspection/repair/replacement. The technician on the phone said they have a 10-14 day turn around time- meaning you should receive the inspected/repaired keyboard in that time. Well, they have had the keyboard for over 3 weeks and I still have gotten very little info from them about it. It's annoying because it cost me $12 to send them the keyboard and their technical support line is not toll free. tell me if you have a similar experience with them. -David Mirsky mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu ";0;1 "From: flb@flb.optiplan.fi (""F.Baube[tm]"") Subject: First Spacewalk X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 13 At one time there was speculation that the first spacewalk (Alexei Leonov ?) was a staged fake. Has any evidence to support or contradict this claim emerged ? Was this claim perhaps another fevered Cold War hallucination ? -- * Fred Baube (tm) * In times of intellectual ferment, * baube@optiplan.fi * advantage to him with the intellect * #include * most fermented ! * How is Frank Zappa doing ? * May '68, Paris: It's Retrospective Time !! ";-1;0 "From: weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Weidlich) Subject: Searching for a phonetic font Organization: Institut f. Arbeitsphysiologie a.d. Uni Dortmund Lines: 13 I'm searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If anybody knows one, please mail me! Thanks. dw ################################################################## Dipl.-Inform. Dietmar Weidlich # IfADo, Ardeystr. 67 # weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de # D-4600 Dortmund 50 # Phone ++49 231 1084-250 # >> Dr. B.: ""Koennten Sie das # Fax ++49 231 1084-401 # MAL EBEN erledigen?"" << # ";-1;0 "From: () Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Organization: Apple Computer Inc. Lines: 28 > ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have > concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating > from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption > of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices. > Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault, an > example would be a Sony 3.5 inch MO, without the special ""Mac-compatible"" > firmware installed. One solution, sometimes, is to disable ""blind writes"" > To the best of my knowledge there aren't any problems with Quadras and blind transfers. Trouble with blind transfers usually means the programmer screwed up the TIBs or didn't test their driver with the device in question. Well designed TIBs poll or loop at every point where delays of >16µsec occur. This usually occurs at the first byte of each block of a transfer but some devices can ""hiccup"" in the middle of blocks. If this happens in the middle of a blind transfer there is the possibility of losing or gaining a byte depending on which direction the tranfer was going. In anycase the SCSI Manager will eventually return a phase error at the end of the transaction because it is out of sync. Actual data loss would only occur if the driver didn't pay attention to the errors coming back. Note that this effect is not caused by anything actually on the SCSI Bus but rather by the transfer loops inside the SCSI Manager. The problem occurs when the processor bus errors trying to access the SCSI chip when the next byte hasn't been clocked yet. Also note that the Bus Error is dealt with by a bus error handler and doesn't crash the machine... Clinton Bauder Apple Computer ";0;1 "From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Lines: 19 In article ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes: > >I probably shouldn't say this, but they could try to detect the use >of an illegal cypher by transmitting in the clear some statistical >properties of the plaintext. An old-fashioned wiretap could then >detect the use of pre-encryption, which would drastically increase >the measured entropy of the input. A countermeasure to this would >be to use steganographic techniques which put out voice. This way to detect pre-encryption may be defeated ; one can do transformation of the spectrum of encrypted signal just by adding some pre-arranged (in the beginning of communication) function. I think so. Say, you can do FFT of your encrypted signal. Just thinking ... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For PGP2.1 public key finger mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: nukta.astro.ubc.ca In article <1993Apr16.160228.24945@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes: > >In article 9088@blue.cis.pitt.edu, jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes: > >>Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points. And take it from >>an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than >>Jaromir Jagr. This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a >>decent year (although it didn't live up to the expectations of some). > >Bowman tended to overplay Francis at times because he is a Bowman-style >player. He plays hard at all times, doesn't disregard his defensive >responsibilities and is a good leader. Bowman rewarded him be increasing his >ice time. > >Jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a ""me first"" attitude. >This rubbed Bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time. > >Throughout the year, Francis consistently recieved more ice time than >Jagr. Althouhg I have never seen stats on this subject, I am pretty >sure that Jagr had more points per minute played that Francis. When >you add to that Jagr's better +/- rating, I think it becomes evident >that Jagr had a better season- not that Francis had a bad one. > Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to flaunt your ignorance at all cost. Jagr did not have a better season than Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of hockey knowledge. Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available. Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its ""quality"" (i.e., is the player put out in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up against the other team's top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications. Brad -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brad K. Gibson INTERNET: gibson@geop.ubc.ca Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy #129-2219 Main Mall PHONE: (604)822-6722 University of British Columbia FAX: (604)822-6047 Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada V6T 1Z4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) Subject: Re: Asynchronous X Windows? Organization: The Internet Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu >> No, it isn't. It is the ""X Window System"", or ""X11"", or ""X"" or any of >> a number of other designations accepted by the X Consortium. In fact, >> doing ""man X"" on pretty much any X11 machine will tell you: >> >> The X Consortium requests that the following names be used >> when referring to this software: >> >> X >> X Window System >> X Version 11 >> X Window System, Version 11 >> X11 >> >> There is no such thing as ""X Windows"" or ""X Window"", despite the repeated >> misuse of the forms by the trade rags. This probably tells you something >> about how much to trust the trade rags -- if they can't even get the NAME >> of the window system right, why should one trust anything else they have >> to say? I used to think this way, and not just about X. For example, incorrect English constructs such as ""its raining"" or ""it's window id"" annoy me. However, there comes a time when popular usage starts to dictate the way things really are in the world. Indeed, the fact that X won out over NeWS was really down to popular opinion (I know, we all think it's(!) technically superior as well!). On a related topic, who is to say that ""color"" is more or less correct than ""colour"" - being Irish, and hence using English English as opposed to American English, I always use the latter except, of course, for API terms such as ""XAllocColor"" and ""colormap"". In a world that uses the term ""Windows"" to refer to Microsoft Windows, perhaps the time has come to accept ""X Windows"" as a valid term for X. I think that this is a more concise and uncluttered term than, say, ""the X Window System"" and, let's face it, almost everyone uses it. Ultimately, we all need product sales to more than just X-literate people. In this respect, product recognition is important and a short, snappy, descriptive title (""X"" is positively obscure) will help when dealing with the average punter (it's sad - I thought I was a software engineer!). Indeed it is unfortunate that X did not become popularly known as Windows and let MS worry about whether it should be called ""Microsoft Windows"" or ""the Microsoft Window System"" or how about just plain ""Microsoft""! To summarise (or should that be ""summarize"") the point of this message: I think there are far more pressing issues facing the X community than worrying about subtle distinctions in the naming of the window system (or should that be ""windowing system""). Whatever gets recognised is fine by me. I agree that one should be careful in interpreting what trade papers say. However, I would be reluctant to come to this conclusion purely on the basis of how they name the X Window System. Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk) Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd. ";12;1 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 24 In article , bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) wrote: > > First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It > makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, > lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he > writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, > in the process he became a Christian himself. Seems he didn't understand anything about realities, liar, lunatic or the real thing is a very narrow view of the possibilities of Jesus message. Sigh, it seems religion makes your mind/brain filter out anything that does not fit into your personal scheme. So anyone that thinks the possibilities with Jesus is bound to the classical Lewis notion of 'liar, lunatic or saint' is indeed bound to become a Christian. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Hockey Draft week 27 price list Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division Lines: 264 Here is the price list for the week April 13 to April 19. - Andrew Buy Sell Pts Team Player 158.9 143.0 157 PIT Mario_Lemieux 148.5 133.7 145 BUF Pat_LaFontaine 142.7 128.4 141 BOS Adam_Oates 137.6 123.8 136 DET Steve_Yzerman 132.1 118.9 129 WPG Teemu_Selanne 131.7 118.5 127 NYI Pierre_Turgeon 130.1 117.1 127 TOR Doug_Gilmour 126.0 113.4 123 BUF Alexander_Mogilny 123.4 111.1 119 PHI Mark_Recchi 121.9 109.7 119 LA Luc_Robitaille 113.3 102.0 112 QUE Mats_Sundin 111.3 100.2 110 PIT Kevin_Stevens 110.6 99.5 108 VAN Pavel_Bure 108.6 97.7 106 STL Craig_Janney 108.3 97.5 107 PIT Rick_Tocchet 107.6 96.8 105 CHI Jeremy_Roenick 105.3 94.8 104 QUE Joe_Sakic 103.5 93.2 101 STL Brett_Hull 102.4 92.2 100 CGY Theoren_Fleury 101.2 91.1 100 PIT Ron_Francis 100.4 90.4 98 TOR Dave_Andreychuk 100.2 90.2 99 BOS Joe_Juneau 98.3 88.5 96 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55.0 0.0 0 QUE Peter_Forsberg -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... ";-1;0 "From: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: The Dorsai Grey Captains Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu In article <844@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes: > Ok, so how about the creation of oil producing bacteria? I figure >that if you can make them to eat it up then you can make them to shit it. >Any comments? Sure. Why keep using oil? A hydrogen/electric economy would likely be cleaner and more efficient in the long run. The laws of supply and demand should get the transition underway before we reach a critical stage of shortage. -- Matthew DeLuca Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!matthew Internet: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu ";2;1 "From: bakerjp1@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Baker John P. PDD x4895 ) Subject: How does ""Differential Mode"" GPS work??? Summary: Explaination of DGPS system Keywords: GPS, differential, navigation, radio Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory Lines: 46 >I understand that the new GPS boxes now have an option >known as ""differential ready"". Apparently land-based >beacons tranmit GPS correction information to your GPS >receiver (with differential option installed). >How does this system work? What frequency is used for >the land-based beacons? >Thanks in advance, >Charlie Thompson >. Here's a rough sketch of how the system works. A reference station with a very exactly known position computes the errors in the incoming GPS signals. These errors are due to several factors including atmospheric distortion, SA (Selective Availability) time dithering, etc. The reference unit contains complex computational equipment to ""back out"" the errors in its position (since it knows where it is already). It then transmits these corrections on a broadcast which is available to any number of relatively local receivers. If the receivers are nearby (<300km) and are using the same satellites as the reference unit, the errors should be very similar for the reference unit and the receiver unit. Thus, the receiver unit may apply the corrections calculated by the reference unit. The US Coast Guard is currently (as far as I know) installing a series of coastline transmitters for differential GPS. These stations will use existing radio towers. I believe the frequency is to be approximately 305 kHz. There are many other private corporations offering DGPS signals on different frequencies. For example, PinPoint ((310)-618-7076) offers correction signals and receiver units using an FM broadcast system which has stations all across the US. The correction codes are usually transmitted using the RTCM 104 format. Advertised accuracies espouse 1 to 5 meter errors. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John P. Baker | My opinions are my own. I don't know Johns Hopkins University | anyone else who wants them, anyway. Applied Physics Laboratory | Laurel, MD 20723 | bakerjp1@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: request for information on ""essential tremor"" and Indrol? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 12 In article <1q1tbnINNnfn@life.ai.mit.edu> sundar@ai.mit.edu writes: Essential tremor is a progressive hereditary tremor that gets worse when the patient tries to use the effected member. All limbs, vocal cords, and head can be involved. Inderal is a beta-blocker and is usually effective in diminishing the tremor. Alcohol and mysoline are also effective, but alcohol is too toxic to use as a treatment. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";4;1 "From: kensib@cary112.its.rpi.edu (Brian C. Kensing) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Nntp-Posting-Host: cary112.its.rpi.edu Reply-To: kensib@rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 10 I prefer a manual to an automatic as it should be. I believe that automatics should only be manufactured for people with physical disabilities who otherwise would not be able to drive. Automatic transmissions allow drivers to be lazy. More time is available to fiddle with the radio or to look at the scenery instead of concentrating on the road. The manual transmission keeps the drive always doing something, granted it isn't a large movement. Plus, driving should be FUN! Driving a manual is fun, driving an automatic is a chore. In the case of shift speed, automatics can be made to shift far faster that any human could move a stick. If I was racing, I'd want and automatic. For normal driving go with the manual. ";-1;0 "From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: usa Lines: 22 In article marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Za uberer) writes: >>>In article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam) writes: >>>|> Hello, >>>|> Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine >>>|> compartment? Should I turn clockwise or counter? I tried any kind >>>|> of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed! >>>|> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable >>>|> bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too >>>|> tight, is it safe without oil leak? >>>|> Thank you very much in advance------ Winson Don't worry about leaks. Don't worry about which way to turn the damn thing. Take a good claw hammer and pry it straight out. Now, you'll notice, after all the oil pours out, that there are no theads where there used to be. Thats why 'heli coils' were invented. Yes, buy a few of these gems, and rethread the hole a little larger each time you change the oil. When the hole gets too big for any heli coil you can buy, its time to trade in the car... ";-1;0 "From: vestman@cs.umu.se (Peter Vestman) Subject: 768x1024 Trident Driver Wanted! Keywords: Trident Driver Organization: Dep. of Info.Proc, Umea Univ., Sweden Lines: 12 Is there a 768x1024 Trident driver for windows anywere. This mode is supported by the drivers fo OS/2 but I have not been able to find it for Windows. (768x1024 means 768 wide and 1024 high as opposed to 1024x768) Any help is appreciated. --------------------------------- Peter Vestman Dep of Computing Science University of Umea, Sweden ";-1;0 "From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Keywords: bad drivers Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: usa Lines: 52 In <1993Apr14.230524.9578@ctp.com> bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) writes: >In article zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes: >[Stuff Deleted] >> >>Excuse me, but I understood what Mr. Smith meant. AND, I have often observed >>when traffic is ""blocked solid"", that if a few people yeild to the ""moron"" >>who is impatiently riding bumpers, the slug at the front of the pack will >>miraculously wake up, change lanes, and viola! no more jam. Granted the >>situation here does not apply to rush hour in a crowded city. But I have >>observed this situation regularly on your average interstate, six or >>eight sets of cars, side by side, bunched up in a ""pack"" with open >>freeway fore and aft as far as you can see. The people who refuse to >>yeild as a ""point of honor"" are just as annoying as the slug in the front. >I agree that if traffic is all blocked up and you want to pass, you might >not feel like moving over for someone behind you because you don't want to >give them that one car-length, when they should just wait like you are. >BUT, if you're one of those people that just sit's behind the person, and >doesn't flash them with the high beams, or pull left and flash them, or >ride their bumper, or otherwise tell them that you *do* in fact want to >go by, and you're not just drafting them, then get the hell out of the >way of someone who will! I especially hate it when you flash someone at >the back of a line and they don't 'pass it on'. So after I've flashed my lights at the chap in front and he doesn't 'pass it on' (and few if any do), what next? On major highways, 3 or more lanes in each direction, keeping to the extreme right blocks folks who are entering. Also, as someone posted in this thread, here in the D.C. area we have a few left lane exits (sounds like 66). If you wait until the last minute to get in the left lane you won't, cause these yoyos won't make room. We have a particularly bad strech here in Merryland just over the Cabin John bridge. There are two very long entry ramps which all the hurry-up yahoos dive into cause they want to get ahead. When we get to the point where these ramps merge, all hell breaks lose. The result is that traffic which was moving at 55 on the VA side of the bridge, stalls on t'other side. If these dingbats had stayed in lane, allowed the folks coming up the two ramps to merge, we would still be doing 55. Instead we do start- stop for 4 miles. Dave Barry's idea of a laser equipped car would be real useful here. Bob PS: If you drive the beltway and want to merge, look for a brown Probe with a silver haired driver, then use your signals - I don't read minds, but I do try to be courteous. They told me courtesy was contagious, but I guess the folks around here have had their shots :-/ ";-1;0 "From: jht9e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Harvey Titus) Subject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610 Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 8 I had asked everyone about problems installing a 4 meg simm and an 8 meg simm in my Centris 610, but the folks at the local Apple store called the folks in Cupertino and found that you can't have simms of different speeds in one machine, even if they are both fast enough - ie - My 80 ns 8 meg and 60ns 4 meg simms were incompatibable... Just thought people might want to know..... Jason. ";0;1 "From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: florida.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 18 In article <12739@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: |> In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes: |> >In article Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes: |> >>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful |> >>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle |> >>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this |> >>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him. |> > |> > Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and |> >your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem. When I do it |> |> Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left. |> |> I'm sure others will take up the slack... oh yes, i'm quite sure they will :) axel ";-1;0 "From: gerard@netlabs.com (Gerard Horan) Subject: Running X on a PC at home talking to a host over Serial Line Originator: gerard@vaccine.netlabs.com Nntp-Posting-Host: vaccine.netlabs.com Organization: NetLabs, Inc. Lines: 41 Some time back I asked for software recommendations to allow me to run X from my PC at home to my Sparc at the office. Many thanks for all replies, the majority of people recommended PCXremote from NCD. I received it yesterday and installed it on my Sparc and PC with only one hitch. The UNIX install consists of copying 2 files into some local bin directory. On the PC side, I ordered the WINDOWS version which came with a slick windows installation. The only problem I had was that my .xinitrc in my home directory had the line DISPLAY=`hostname`:0.0; export DISPLAY s.t the clients I kicked off connected to my Xserver on the Sparc console. By removing this line from the .xinitrc everything worked as planned and the clients connected to the server at `hostname`:1.0 Some comments on performance, I was connected to a Sparc 2 thru a NetBlazer Terminal Server over a 9600 baud line. My PC is a 486-DX2 ATI Ultra, 16 MB Bitmap Stuff Sucked. Basic Editing and compilation stuff definitely usable. Xmail was very usable. At times the first time U typed in an Xclient window there was a very noticable delay, I put this down to brain damaged ""WINDOWS should not be called a SCHEDULER"", besides that this will become my remote work environment for a while. Has anybody tried the NON Windows version of the product, the sales person said they performed about the same, given the over head of WINDOWS I question this? many thanks for help to all who responded gerard ";-1;0 "From: pmcgilla@hp.uwsuper.edu (Mr. Patrick L. McGillan) Subject: DXF format display Organization: University of Wisconsin - Superior Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.81.1.3 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] HI, I am looking for an X app that will display dxf files. These are ascii text files that are normally associated with autocad. I have a large 9 meg. file of the state of wisconsin that i would like to views and or cut into smaller chunks. I also would like to find a complete file layout for dxf files. Any information would be appreciated. -- Patrick L. McGillan Computer Systems Specialist University Of Wisconsin Ph: (715) 394-8191 Superior, Wisconsin pmcgilla@uwsuper.edu ";-1;0 "From: chrisa@hpwarr.hp.com ( Chris Almy) Subject: Re: (?) SpeedSTAR VGA Card Win. Drivers Reply-To: chrisa@hpwarr.UUCP Keywords: VGA SpeedSTAR Drivers Video Card Lines: 6 These drivers (updated) are available directly from Diamond. they will even ship them to you at no charge.(at least they did for me.) ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Sinus vs. Migraine (was Re: Sinus Endoscopy) Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 16 In article Lauger@ssdgwy.mdc.com (John Lauger) writes: >In article <19201@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) wrote: >What's the best approach to getting off the analgesics. Is there something Two approaches that I've used: Tofranil, 50 mg qhs, Naproxen 250mg bid. The Naproxen doesn't seem to be as bad as things like Tylenol in promoting the analgesic abuse Headache. DHE IV infusions for about 3 days (in hospital). Cold turkey is the only way I think. Tapering doesn't help. I wouldn't know how you can do this without your doctor. I haven't seen anyone successfully do it alone. Doesn't mean it can't be done. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mb4008@ehibm6.cen.uiuc.edu (Morgan J Bullard) Subject: Hard drive compression ie, stacker.superstor etc. Summary: looking for comparsions between the various hard drive compression utilitys Keywords: stacker superstor doubledisk doublespace Article-I.D.: news.C5w8r9.EBu Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows comp.os.ms-windows.apps Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 6 I was wondering if any one knew how the various hard drive compression utilities work. My hard drive is getting full and I don't want to have to buy a new one. What I'm intrested in is speed ,ease of use, amount of compression, and any other aspect you think might be important as I've never use one of these things before. thanks Morgan Bullard mb4008@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu or mjbb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ";-1;0 "From: davem@bnr.ca (Dave Mielke) Subject: Does God love you? Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 416 I have come across what I consider to be an excellent tract. It is a bit lengthy for a posting, but I thought I'd share it with all of you anyway. Feel free to pass it along to anyone whom you feel might benefit from what it says. May God richly bless those who read it. ======================================================================= D O E S G O D L O V E Y O U ? Q. What kind of question is that? Anyone who can read sees signs, tracts, books, and bumper stickers that say, ""God Loves You."" Isn't that true? A. It is true that God offers His love to the whole world, as we read in one of the most quoted verses in the Bible: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 However, God's love is qualified. The Bible says: The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness. Proverbs 15:9 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. Psalm 1:6 Q. But I am not wicked. I am a decent, moral person. Surely the good I have done in my life far outweighs whatever bad I have done. How can these verses apply to me? A. By God's standard of righteousness even the most moral person is looked upon by God as a desperate sinner on his way to Hell. The Bible teaches that no one is good enough in himself to go to Heaven. On the contrary, we are all sinners and we are all guilty before God. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Romans 3:10-11 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9 Q. If I am such a wicked person in God's sight, what will God do to me? A. The Bible teaches that at the end of the world all the wicked will come under eternal punishment in a place called Hell. For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them. They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust. Deuteronomy 32:22-24 Q. Oh, come on now! Hell is not real, is it? Surely things are not that bad. A. Indeed, Hell is very real, and things are that bad for the individ- ual who does not know the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior. The Bible makes many references to Hell, indicating that it is both eternal and consists of perpetual suffering. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:49-50 ... when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 Q. That is terrible! Why would God create a Hell? A. Hell is terrible, and it exists because God created man to be accountable to God for his actions. God's perfect justice demands payment for sin. For the wages of sin is death; Romans 6:23 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 2 Corinthians 5:10 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. Matthew 12:36 Q. Does that mean that at the end of the world everyone will be brought to life again to be judged and then to be sent to Hell? A. Indeed it does; that is, unless we can find someone to be our substitute in bearing the punishment of eternal damnation for our sins. That someone is God Himself, who came to earth as Jesus Christ to bear the wrath of God for all who believe in Him. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:6 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Corinthians 5:21 Q. Are you saying that if I trust in Christ as my substitute, Who was already punished for my sins, then I will not have to worry about Hell anymore? A. Yes, this is so! If I have believed in Christ as my Savior, then it is as if I have already stood before the Judgment Throne of God. Christ as my substitute has already paid for my sins. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36 Q. But what does it mean to believe on Him? If I agree with all that the Bible says about Christ as Savior, then am I saved from going to Hell? A. Believing on Christ means a whole lot more than agreeing in our minds with the truths of the Bible. It means that we hang our whole lives on Him. It means that we entrust every part of our lives to the truths of the Bible. It means that we turn away from our sins and serve Christ as our Lord. No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Matthew 6:24 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Acts 3:19 Q. Are you saying that there is no other way to escape Hell except through Jesus? What about all the other religions? Will their followers also go to Hell? A. Yes, indeed. They cannot escape the fact that God holds us account- able for our sins. God demands that we pay for our sins. Other religions cannot provide a substitute to bear the sins of their followers. Christ is the only one who is able to bear our guilt and save us. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12 Jesus said: I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9 Q. Now I am desperate. I do not want to go to Hell. What can I do? A. You must remember that God is the only one who can help you. You must throw yourself altogether on the mercies of God. As you see your hopeless condition as a sinner, cry out to God to save you. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. Luke 18:13 ... Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, ... Acts 16:30-31 Q. But how can I believe on Christ if I know so little about Him? A. Wonderfully, God not only saves us through the Lord Jesus, but He also gives us the faith to believe on Him. You can pray to God that He will give you faith in Jesus Christ as your Savior. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Ephesians 2:8 God works particularly through the Bible to give us that faith. So, if you really mean business with God about your salvation, you should use every opportunity to hear and study the Bible, which is the only Word of God. In this brochure, all verses from the Bible are within indented paragraphs. Give heed to them with all your heart. So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17 Q. But does this mean that I have to surrender everything to God? A. Yes. God wants us to come to Him in total humility, acknowledging our sinfulness and our helplessness, trusting totally in Him. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Psalm 51:17 Because we are sinners we love our sins. Therefore, we must begin to pray to God for an intense hatred of our sins. And if we sincerely desire salvation, we will also begin to turn from our sins as God strengthens us. We know that our sins are sending us to Hell. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Acts 3:26 Q. Doesn't the Bible teach that I must attend church regularly and be baptized? Will these save me? A. If possible, we should do these things, but they will not save us. No work of any kind can secure our salvation. Salvation is God's sovereign gift of grace given according to His mercy and good pleas- ure. Salvation is Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:9 Q. What else will happen at the end of the world? A. Those who have trusted in Jesus as their Savior will be transformed into their glorious eternal bodies and will be with Christ forever- more. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 Q. What will happen to the earth at that time? A. God will destroy the entire universe by fire and create new heavens and a new earth where Christ will reign with His believers forever- more. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ... Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2 Peter 3:10,13 Q. Does the Bible give us any idea of when the end of the earth will come? A. Yes! The end will come when Christ has saved all whom He plans to save. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:14 Q. Can we know how close to the end of the world we might be? A. Yes! God gives much information in the Bible concerning the timing of the history of the world and tells us that while the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night for the unsaved, it will not come as a thief for the believers. There is much evidence in the Bible that the end of the world and the return of Christ may be very, very close.* All the time clues in the Bible point to this. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7 Q. But that means Judgment Day is almost here. A. Yes, it does. God warned ancient Nineveh that He was going to destroy that great city and He gave them forty days warning. And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. Jonah 3:4 Q. What did the people of Nineveh do? A. From the king on down they humbled themselves before God, repented of their sins, and cried to God for mercy. But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? Jonah 3:8-9 Q. Did God hear their prayers? A. Yes. God saved a great many people of Nineveh. Q. Can I still cry to God for mercy so that I will not come into judg- ment? A. Yes. There is still time to become saved even though that time has become very short. How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; Hebrews 2:3 In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God. Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Psalm 62:7-8 A R E Y O U R E A D Y T O M E E T G O D ? A book entitled 1994?, written by Harold Camping, presents Biblical information that we may be very near the end of time. For information on how to obtain a copy or to receive a free program guide and list of radio stations on which you can hear our Gospel programs, please write to Family Radio, Oakland, California, 94621 (The United States of Amer- ica), or call 1-800-543-1495. ---------------------------------------- The foregoing is a copy of the ""Does God Love You?"" tract printed by, and available free of charge from, Family Radio. A number of minor changes have been made to its layout to facilitate computer printing and distribution. The only change to the text itself is the paragraph which describes the way in which Biblical passages appear within the text. In the original tract they appear in italic lettering; they appear here as indented paragraphs. I have read Mr. Camping's book, compared it with what the Bible actual- ly says, find it to be the most credible research with respect to what the future holds that I have ever come across, and agree with him that there is just too much data to ignore. While none of us is guaranteed one more second of life, and while we, therefore, should take these matters very seriously regardless of when Christ will actually return, it would appear that our natural tendency to postpone caring about our eternal destiny until we feel that our death is imminent is even more senseless now because, in all likelihood, the law of averages with respect to life expectancy no longer applies. If you wish to obtain a copy of this book so that you can check out these facts for yourself, you may find the following information helpful: title: 1994? author: Harold Camping publisher: Vantage Press distributor: Baker and Taylor ISBN: 0-533-10368-1 I have chosen to share this tract with you because I whole-heartedly agree with everything it declares and feel that now, perhaps more than ever before, this information must be made known. To paraphrase Acts 20:27, it does not shun to declare unto us all the counsel of God. I am always willing to discuss the eternal truths of the Bible with anyone who is interested as I believe them to be the only issues of any real importance since we will spend, comparatively speaking, so little time on this side of the grave and so much on the other. Feel free to get in touch with me at any time: e-mail: davem@bnr.ca office: 1-613-765-4671 home: 1-613-726-0014 Dave Mielke 856 Grenon Avenue Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K2B 6G3 ";-1;0 "From: ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) Subject: Re: Distance between two Bezier curves Organization: My own node in Groningen, NL. Lines: 14 pes@hutcs.cs.hut.fi (Pekka Siltanen) writes: > Suppose two cubic Bezier curves (control points V1,..,V4 and W1,..,W4) > which have equal first and last control points (V1 = W1, V4 = W4). How do I > get upper bound for distance between these curves. Which distance? The distance between one point (t = ti) on the first curve and a point on the other curve with same parameter (u = ti)? > > Any references appreciated. Thanks in anvance. > > Pekka Siltanen ";-1;0 "From: steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: VisionAire, San Francisco, CA Lines: 53 In article jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >>In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >>> In article <1qd1snINNr79@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes: >>> >I would be upset that, although abortions would continue, they would be >>> >a lot more expensive for the rich, and a lot less safe for the poor. >>> >>> >>> So now things are supposed to be legal just to keep their cost down >>> and the safety factor high?? >>> >>> Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower >>> the cost and definitely make them safer to use. >> >> Yes. >> >>> I don't think we want to start using these criterion to determine >>> legality. >> >> Why not? > > >Where do they get these people?! I really don't want to waste time in >here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we >can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! Go for it. I have yet to see anybody justify the prohibition on drugs and the ensuing War On Drugs. In the world of *.politics here on Usenet, it is YOU that is crazy. ANYBODY--who gives the matter any thought beyond reading headlines---cannot justify this atrocity, this all out war on individual rights. Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you! > >My point was that it is pretty stupid to justify legalizing something just >because it will be safer and cheaper. > Once again, in chorus: WHY is this ""stupid""? > >A few more ideas to hold to these criterion - prostitution; the killing of all >funny farm patients, AIDS ""victims"", elderly, unemployed, prisioners, etc. - >this would surely make my taxes decrease. The above paragraph is gibberish--that all I can make of it... -- _______ Steve Thomas steveth@rossinc.com ";-1;0 "From: dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA. Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ick X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 colling@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (Michael Collingridge) writes: : : And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, : resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other : team captain trivia would be appreciated. : Luc Robitaille was captain of the Kings the first third of the season, until The Great One came back from his disc injury. It was kind of awkward, but Melrose appointed (anointed?) TGO as captain immediately upon his return, after which he did not score a goal for something like 10 games. I think Luc should have remained Captain all season. dvb ";-1;0 "From: etape@cwis.unomaha.edu (Elizabeth Harris Tape) Subject: Re: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ? Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 0 ";-1;0 "From: harryb@phred.UUCP (harry barnett) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Reply-To: harryb@phred.UUCP Organization: Physio-Control Lines: 48 In article 29778@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.130132.12650@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: >>In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: >>>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American >>>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of >> >>Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN >>CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. >>It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals >>to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. > >Read the Constitution yourself. The Second Amendment says the right to bear >arms shall not be infringed, so a well regulated militia may be more easily >formed. I have an interpretation of the Second that shows there are no >qualifications to the right to keep and bear arms. If you want, I can E-mail >it to you. By the way, gun talk belongs in talk.politics.guns. > Doug Holland Mr. Ward, before you start blathering about your skill ""interpreting"" the Constitution, it might be helpful to learn to read. After a review with a high school English teacher emphasizing participial phrases, you might start with the Second Amendment, and follow it up with: 97th Congress, 2nd Session, Committee Print, *The Right To Keep and Bear Arms*, of the Subcomittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th Congress, Second Session, February, 1982. GPO No. 88-618-O This authoritative, heavily researched and annotated document clearly turns your ""interpretation"" into specious claptrap, which is a polite way of saying utter bullshit. In spite of your false assertion to the contrary, the Second Amendment DOES protect the right of the individual citizen, in his capacity as an individual, to keep and bear arms. And, Mr. Holland, IMHO, blatantly and harmfully false information, asserted as fact and globally distributed, deserves globally distributed rebuttal in the forum in which it is posted. (And besides, this site doesn't carry t.p.g...:-) harryb%phred@data-io.com phred!harryb@data-io.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. --Thomas Jefferson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: BMW Nostalgia Question from a Neophyte From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) Organization: Mississippi State University Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Lines: 17 To go one step further, you could write Roland Slabon, Pres. of the Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners Ltd at P.O. box 67, Exeter, New Hampshire 03833 and he'll send you copy of the bimonthly rag with info as to where to send your $12 bucks if ya want to join. As far as the price of '60's Beemers, it varies wildly, from a low of around $1000 for an unrestored bike that still runs (like an R50 or R60) to $4500 or so for a restored R69S. Don't listen to that bull about the old bmw's not being ""good enough"" to ride in todays world.. Hell, I'm riding my 1956 R26 Single from Mississippi to the BMW MOA national rally in Oshkosh, Wisconsin on the 22nd of July this year. Sincerely, Craig Vechorik BMW MOA Ambassador #9462 BMW Vintage Bulletin tech editor #1373 DOD #843 ""REAL BMW's have ROUND tail lights and ROLLER cranks"" ";-1;0 "From: Allen.Gervais@ttlg.UUCP (Allen Gervais) Subject: Mountain Tape Backup Lines: 18 DH>>Does anyone out their have a mountain tape backup that I could compare DH>>notes with, (jumper settings, software, ect...) DH>>or does anyone know where I could contact the makers of this drive ? DH>You can contact Mountain Network Solutions at: DH>800-458-0300 (general number) DH>408-438-7897 (tech support) DH>408-438-2665 (bbs) Thanks very much for the info David ! Especially for their tech and BBS lines. This should get me going... Bye ! ___ X SLMR 2.1a X It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a * Origin: The Keep BBS (1:342/13) ";5;1 "From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 48 anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: >>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents >>of those files. >>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: >>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? >ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including >the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer >the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members >in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps? Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war against Israel. That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations. That is the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals only a few years ago. >Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter? >Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic >minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on. All of these groups have, in the past, associated with or been a part of anti- Israel activity or propoganda. The ADL is simply monitoring them so that if anything comes up, they won't be caught by surprise. >>2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ? >Paranoia? No, that is why World Trade Center bombings don't happen in Israel (aside from the fact that there is no world trade center) and why people like Zein Isa ( Palestinian whose American group planned to bow up the Israeli Embassy and ""kill many Jews."") are caught. As Mordechai Levy of the JDL said, Paranoid Jews live longer. >>3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an >> additional information should he send them ? >The names of half the posters on this forum, unless they already >have them. They probably do. >>Gideon Ehrlich >-anwar Ed. ";-1;0 "From: jiml@garfunkel.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jim L) Subject: Re: SIMM Speed Distribution: world Organization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company) Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr6.150808.27533@news.unomaha.edu>, hkok@cse (Kok Hon Yin) writes: |> Robert Desonia (robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us) wrote: |> : B |> : BK>Is it possible to plug in 70ns or 60ns SIMMs into a motherboard saying |> : BK>wants 80ns simms? |> |> : You shouldn't have troubles. I have heard of machines having problems |> : with slower than recommended memory speeds, but never faster. |> |> -- |> It should run without any trouble of course but why do you want to buy some |> 60ns and mixed them with 80ns? 60ns is more expensive than 80ns and |> furthermore your machine will run the slowest SIMMs clock speed eventhough |> you have 60ns. Just my 0.02cents thought.... |> Your machine will run at whatever the bus is jumpered to/CMOS is set to (usually wait states) regardless of what speed RAM is installed. No motherboard can sense the speed of the RAM installed, unless you call failing as a sort of auto-sense. This is how you can sometimes use ""slower"" RAM in a machine. You either set the number of wait states to accomodate the slow RAM (in which case, all memory will run at that slower rate) or you reduce the wait states and take the chance that the slower RAM will act like faster RAM and you won't crash. Putting faster RAM in won't speed things up unless you tell the machine it has faster RAM. Mixing fast and slow RAM will not help you if you have to keep the bus slowed down to accomodate slow RAM. JimL -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Mailer address is buggy! Reply to: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.com James Lewczyk 1-303-223-5100 x9267 NCR-MPD Fort Collins, CO jim.lewczyk@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM ";-1;0 "From: kng@pt.com (Ken Gravenstede) Subject: Decent, CHEAP 20+MHZ Scopes? Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated Lines: 12 Any info on modern 20MHZ or better dual trace scopes would be appreciated. Should I buy a used one or a new one? And where? Please E-Mail. Thanks in advance. Ken -- __ Ken Gravenstede, Performance Technologies Incorporated kng@pt.com 315 Science Parkway, Rochester, New York 14620 uupsi!ptsys1!kng ";11;1 "From: jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jeff Meyers) Subject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems.... Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: psycho.ecst.csuchico.edu In article <1qkqrhINNobc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) writes: . . >I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here >using it, but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the >modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine. Tell him he probably needs to upgrade to a faster video card! My 9600 baud modem was one of the reasons I sought out the Diamond Speedstar 24X. I get about 7 million WinMarks on my 386-25 and it just about keeps up with the modem speed (using procomm plus for windows, too). He should get over 10 million on his machine with the same card. Anything 10+ should yield acceptable speed... -- ============================================================================ | Jeff Meyers | jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu | 39x43'N 121x48'W | | Chico, Ca 95926 | KD6DIS@KE6LW.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA | Grid: CN80-CM99 ?? | ============================================================================ ";-1;0 "From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 29 In <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >The Selke candidate forwards main purpose on a shift is to prevent goals >from being scored- not to score them. When Lemieux or Gilmour play their >number one purpose is to score- defence is secondary- especially considering >the line that plays against them is probably a defensive one. That is >why they are not Selke candidates. >Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment. >He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you >ever watch him play? He never made a technical error. I watched him over his entire career. I have NEVER seen a player, and that includes Russell Courtnall and Davie Keon, screw up as many breakaways as Bob Gainey. And I will never forget the time Denis Potvin caught Gainey with his head down. You have been sold a bill of goods on Bob Gainey. Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, Dick Duff...and so on... cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ";-1;0 "From: aardvark@spica.la.locus.com (Warren Usui) Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Lines: 14 In article gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: >anyone who writes ""dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll > have 324 home runs!"" should be shot. The Dodgers after one inning of play have committed one error. At this rate they'll have 1,455 errors this season! Well maybe I'm right this time... -- Warren Usui I'm one with the Universe -- on a scale from 1 to 10. ";14;1 "From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami) Subject: Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: Rationality (was: Islamic marriage)? Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 26 Distribution: sfnet NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi In <1993Mar31.013034.27070@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >My case is that everything wrong in the world will end if people start >believing in Islam. And that horrors to mankind are all caused by the >lack of belief- Atheism. For the last time, Bobby. Lack of belief in YOUR god does NOT imply atheism. Just because some moslems aren't moral does not mean they don't believe in a god named Allah, although their Allah may not do the things your Allah does. If a moslem says he/she believes that a god exists, he/she is a theist (though maybe not a TRUE follower of islam). >30,000 murder victims a year caused by atheism. Poverty. Massive hate crimes. >Such low respect for the human body. Distrust among people. Everything >wrong, all caused by atheism. >Peace, Jerk. >Bobby Mozumder -- Sami Aario | ""Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode a137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."" -------------------' ""Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"" Eros in ""Plan 9 From Outer Space"" DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros. ";9;1 "From: rob@rjck.UUCP (Robert J.C. Kyanko) Subject: Re: VGA 640x400 graphics mode Distribution: world Organization: Neptune Software Inc Lines: 15 gchen@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu writes in article : > > Greetings! > > Does anybody know if it is possible to set VGA graphics mode to 640x400 > instead of 640x480? Any info is appreciated! Some VESA bios's support this mode (0x100). And *any* VGA should be able to support this (640x480 by 256 colors) since it only requires 256,000 bytes. My 8514/a VESA TSR supports this; it's the only VESA mode by card can support due to 8514/a restrictions. (A WD/Paradise) -- I am not responsible for anything I do or say -- I'm just an opinion. Robert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP) ";-1;0 "From: loh@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Meng-Wei Loh) Subject: Re: Hockey and the Hispanic community Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 27 rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: >In article <115331@bu.edu>, icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes: >|> >|> The presence of the new team in Miami(I can't say South Florida; >|> it's too long) makes me think of an interesting question. Can you sell >|> the Hispanic community on Hockey? Miami is 60-70% Hispanic. This >|> community >|> has no experience and no previous exposure to Hockey that I know of. >|> The >|> teams in NY and LA which also have big Hispanic groups do not seem to >|> try >|> to woo this group. What will Miami do? Could they get Spanish-language >|> tv and radio coverage? >|> >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons. >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off. Well, suffice to say that it is a sport for those able to make the substantial investment in equipment, etc. But here's something, do you think that the availability of in-line skates and road hockey could contribute to a rise in awareness of ice hockey? I would argue this is having an effect here. Kids play ice hockey in the winter and road hockey in the summer with in-line skates. ";-1;0 "From: dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) Subject: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 234 ETHER IMPLODES 2 EARTH CORE, IS GRAVITY!!! This paper BOTH describes how heavenly bodys can be stationary, ether sucking structures, AND why we observe ""orbital"" motion!! Ether, the theoretical propogation media of electro-magnetic waves, was concluded not to exist, based on the results of the Michelson-Moreley experiment conducted a century ago. I propose that those conclusions are flawed, based on the fact that the experiment was designed to look for a flow parallel to the earth's surface, not perpindicular. (Due to the prevailing assumption that the earth traveled through the ether as a ball through the wind) The reversal of the that conclusion, a pivotal keystone in the development of modern scientific thought, could have ramifications of BIBLICAL proportions through out the WORLD!! REMEMBER: Einstien said Imagination is greater than knowledge!! 1 I dream like this: ether based reality The ether is like a fluid out of phase with our reality. Creations start as a lattice placed into the ether. Given a spin, the lattices both drag the fluid, like a margarita blender, and ingest it, converting it, distilling localized mass, time and energy. (non-spinning lattice = ""dark matter"") The earth isn't exactly spinning, around the sun. Picture an image of a galaxy; we haven't any videos of them spinning. Picture us being stationary, and the sun's image being dragged across the sky by the spinning ether field. (Picture an onion, each layer of which is spinning a little faster than the next. A thread shot at the inner kernel would be stretched diagonally sideways, its head being in a faster shell than its tail, until it finally intersected the ground of the inner kernel, its direction vector being straight down, but its ""foot print"" being a line, not a point. [sunrise, sunset]) The moon isn't exactly orbiting us. It is a parasite, (non self spin sustaining ) being dragged in the earth's ether field, which is itself in the sun's much more powerful field. Our seasons are the wobble of earth's axis, like a top slowing down. The ""orbit"" of the earth around the sun is all of the stars' images being dragged around by the sun's ether feild. The earth, moon and sun are about the same size and ""distance"" apart. Its just that the time between them varies greatly, because the ""path"" is not the same. The moon's lattice in the ether is like sticking a fork in a plate of spaghetti and giving the plate a half turn. The sun's lattice has so much spin that its like the fork has got the whole plate of noodles wound up. The piece of light going to the moon can slide down the spaghetti and maybe make a ""j"" hook at the end. The piece of light going to the sun has to go around the whole plate, like a needle in a record, before it gets there. With a pencil, compass, and rule, draw a diagram of how the moon can be about as big as ""earth's"" shadow upon it, and at other times totally eclipse the sun. Look in the sky. except for your Knowledge, would you guess that they are about the same size, just because they look about the same size? O . - - E O O O S E / \ M | | OR M \ _ _ / S The full moon, quarter moon etc. is the difference between rate of ether spins. What we are looking at is a rotating ""turntable view"" of the moon, only half of which is facing the sun. ( I've seen a half moon within about 120 degrees (of sky) of the sun, during the day. Try and draw that ""earth shadow."") Its only the moon's image which appears to orbit us. No matter where it is, the light part is the part facing the sun, and the dark part is the half facing away from the sun, even when it appears to be behind us. ""Light-Years"" between galaxies is a misnomer. The distance is closer to zero, as time and matter are characteristics of this phase of reality, which dissipates outward with each layer of the onion. (defining edge = 0 ether spin) What we are seeing could be essentially happening now. The ""piece"" of light may have experienced many years, but the trip could be very quick, our time. To time travel or warp space I might consider learning to de-spin myself. (phase out my mass) Good luck trying to design a propulsion system to drag around a space-time locality. (its like trying to move a balloon by shooting a squirt gun from within) To find out about all of this, I recommend studying history. I'd look in the book of life. (or holy grail etc.) Brain waves just might carry decipherable data. I'd start looking on some part of the spectra said to be unusable, due to all the background noise. (4+ billion humans?) I'd totally isolate myself, record me thinking DOG backwards, and learn to read what I got. (Microsoft Holy Grail card for Pentium!) Next, concluding that my thoughts were recorded on a non time-bound media, the ether, and that it is I who move forward (in time). I would try to temporarily locally reverse the flow, (of time, which I'd start looking for as flowing opposite magnetism, pole to pole. [Why not?]) perhaps by passing a LARGE, FLAT DC current through a two foot diameter. coil or choke or something, and seeing what I could get with my machine's receiver next to it. If you don't think you'll live to see it, consider this: QUIT PUTTING THE REPRODUCTIVE KEYS OF OTHER LIFE IN YOUR BODY! All of life's data could be written on the wind, (ether) not just our thoughts. DNA could be a little receiver or file access code. By eating SEEDS, we could be jamming our reception, or receiving plant instructions. Try eating seed bearing fruit. Maybe those Greek or biblical guys did live hundreds of years. I'm curios to see what they did and ate. Don't worry if your hair stops growing. (Maybe we don't need to eat at all, the cosmos are formed from nothing, and that is creating matter! I only need enough to bounce around. Where did the household concept 'immortal' come from? Wheat is a weed, it is programmed to pull from the soil, reproduce like hell, and then die) Warning about writing to the past: I had a little dream of being in a world, in the near parallel future, lying along a path of history which we have diverged from. There were; twelve telepathic, glowing beings, who looked like an Oscar award and who had always been, a dark one who looked like us, and then myself. The dark one was in the process of making the others into gods, (he had to teach them what that meant) by ""advising"" them in their past. Basically, he manipulated them into reproducing, and raising their children on his seed. He said that the little ones who looked different were a sub-species, meant to provide service. He carefully combed through history, rewriting it in his favor, pulling like a weed anything that compromised his control. He enticed recruits by sending them his visions, saying that there was immortality at the end of the road for only twelve souls: kill or be killed. The amount of control he could exert was finite, though, as at every change he made, a void would appear in our reality. The universe one day ended 100 meters from us: it seemed odd, but we couldn't remember how else it should be. Then some of the twelve were no more. Finally, when he could prune no more, and reality stopped just beyond his fingertips, he stepped through his portal to the past, to bask, over and over, in all that he had created. I made a few more changes, and lost my body, existing only on the wind. MORAL: Its very possible to eliminate from your reality the souls whose will's are not in harmony with yours (Golden Rule - treat others as you wish to be treated) I.E., you could end up along a lonely thread of time with murderers or flowery brown-nosers for playmates. (its not eternal, there's more than one way back) Accepting rides to the past: Once here, the one who looks like us sells rides, he can make you a Prince, or a Queen, or you can live as a god in ancient Greece. Go ahead, repeat the third grade as often as you like, Adam henry. I Hope you like inspecting your socks. Careful though, if he likes your work, but thinks you're getting wise, he can direct you to cross paths with your old self, and you'll vanish as you rewrite your own course of history, none the wiser. As we pass the point along the parallel line where he stepped back in time, his hierarchy will lose its direction. He can still make changes while he's here, its just that that is work, and with every 'adjustment', this becomes less the world he cultivated, which loosens his grip, and his organization is suddenly one branch less. But he can't see the change. The basic nature of man is good. He had to apply his hand to achieve his world. As he now tightens his hand to retain what he built, the more sand slips through his fingers. How about public computer access to the I.R.S. ? Its our country, our money, and they're spending it on us, RIGHT? Imagine this: Washington marks the next cost at 8, IRS collects 10, gives 5 to congress, and just absolutely buries 5. Congress borrows 2. The banks are making, what, a 30% margin (interest) on our government? Big corporations are ecstatic if they can do a 10% margin. What do the banks do with it? Hold some on a carrot to the world, sure, but mostly, bury it. WHY? Food production is 2% GNP?, construction 6% ? 14 hours to build your auto? The people are spending all of their time to buy back a tenth of what they produce. Have we been deceived? If we are more efficient, why is it getting harder to get by? What if the point is just to keep the people busy making widgets? In that other reality, I shouted to the twelve, ""its chaos!"" They said, ""no, its order."" He defined chaos as that which is he was not able to control. Rain forest: The problem could be that all the water in its canopy would hide the location of an indigenous people who have no language. (telepathic; and 'vanishing' the closest knowledge of death) (think of the spine as a transceiver, if it is on the ground and pointed up, you can locate it from above) These people are probably naive as children, but very, very tough to kill. Also, They should be able to tell you stories about the dark one that I talk about. They can hear him. I think that Ham and world band radio old timers might have a story to tell on this. These people would be on a different frequency than us as they aren't eating seeds. Famine relief: When I make my diet almost all whole wheat, I get a huge belly, lose muscle mass, sleep A LOT, and get sick. When I eat only fresh fruit, I get more energy, a Hollywood-flat belly, and need a lot less sleep. UN. Peace Keeping; There is fighting and killing all over. The troops go in when there is no bread on the shelf. (its OK to kill each other, just make sure there is enough to eat.) Somalia: What is disturbing is energetic, gun carrying, three foot tall sixteen year-olds, who eat nothing but some roots that they suck on. It is not so much that their growth is stunted, it is that they aren't dying at a rate of 50 of 60 years per life. Women with children, Babes in arms: Historical references to women and children as a single unit could mean that infants were not cut from the umbilical cord. (and hence, were not breast fed) I think that there may be some very interesting results to this, such as mother-child telepathy, and blue blooded infants. There are examples of this practice in the aquatic mammal kingdom to investigate. That guy is the master of illusion, and the ultimate liar. He tells it first, and then just follows the thread of time in which the people are willing to buy it. (in which he can make it so) He'll play a poker face up until he thinks he's cornered, and then he'll whine, beg and grovel. All it means to him is that you're willing to live on the ground work that he has laid, that is, that he was right, and he didn't over play his hand, and he won't need to go back and try another thread of time. You have ultimate control over your destiny, just don't live along a path that leads to a reality in which you don't want to be a part of. I don't claim to be the first to think these things, its just that the others could have been 'pruned' from our path. Maybe these thoughts given to me were laid down on the track of time, after him. ";-1;0 "From: kckluge@eecs.umich.edu (Karl Kluge) Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/.... In-Reply-To: arf@genesis.MCS.COM's message of 15 Apr 1993 20:57:53 -0500 Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 21 > From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) > Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/.... > Date: 15 Apr 1993 20:57:53 -0500 > > I can't speak for the organizations you cited but everywhere you look in > our society and government, one can see the relentless movement toward > one world government. The fact that the media demeans such charished > values as patriotism, nationalism and protectionism are some of the > clues....Our porous border both people and trade are an indiciation that > we have already lost a great deal of sovergnty. ...and I'm sure that people who were big fans of fuedalism pissed and moaned about the emergence of the modern nation-state. Imagine, the King allowing serfs their freedom if they could live in the city for a year! Times change, technology changes, viable forms of social organization change. While concerns about preserving Western notions of civil liberties in the face of cultures with very different values is a valid one, it's a waste of effort to try to turn back the tide. It's much smarter to focus on trying to make sure that the emerging forms of social organization are acceptable than it iss to lament the passing of the old forms. ";-1;0 "From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 6 These circuits abound in most electronic project books. If you're more inclined to buy something, try Radio Shack. I think they still have a device that is designed to disconnect an answering machine when an extension line is lifted. It has LED indicators also. --kyler ";-1;0 "From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 12 In article <1r3hgqINNdaa@uwm.edu> Rick Miller writes: >jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes: >>Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc. > >Or, the more *likely* explanation is that Marc is spoofing. While I didn't try the expansion personally, I know of at least two other people who did and got the same results. Your allegation is incorrect at best. PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu ";-1;0 "From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Lezgians Astir in Azerbaijan and Daghestan Summary: asking not to fight against Armenians in Karabakh & for unification Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 106 04/19/1993 0000 Lezghis Astir By NEJLA SAMMAKIA Associated Press Writer GUSSAR, Azerbaijan (AP) -- The 600,000 Lezghis of Azerbaijan and Russia have begun clamoring for their own state, threatening turmoil in a tranquil corner of the Caucasus. The region has escaped the ethnic warfare of neighboring Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia and Ossetia, but Lezhgis could become the next minority in the former Soviet Union to fight for independence. Lezghis, who are Muslim descendents of nomadic shepherds, are angry about the conscription of their young men to fight in Azerbaijan's 5-year-old undeclared war with Armenia. They also want to unite the Lezghi regions of Azerbaijan and Russia, which were effectively one until the breakup of the Soviet Union created national borders that had been only lines on a map. A rally of more than 3,000 Lezghis in March to protest conscription and demand a separate ""Lezghistan"" alarmed the Azerbaijani government. Officials in Baku, the capital, deny rumors that police shot six demonstrators to death. But the government announced strict security measures and began cooperating with Russian authorities to control the movement of Lezhgis living across the border in the Dagestan region of Russia. Visitors to Gussar, the center of Lezhgi life, found the town quiet soon after the protest. Children played outdoors in the crisp mountain air. At the Sunday bazaar, men in heavy coats and dark fur hats gathered to discuss grievances ranging from high customs duties at the Russian border to a war they say is not theirs. ""I have been drafted, but I won't go,"" said Shamil Kadimov, gold teeth glinting in the sun. ""Why must I fight a war for the Azerbaijanis? I have nothing to do with Armenia."" More than 3,000 people have died in the war, which centers on the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, about 150 miles to the southeast. Malik Kerimov, an official in the mayor's office, said only 11 of 300 locals drafted in 1992 had served. ""The police don't force people to go,"" he said. ""They are afraid of an uprising that could be backed by Lezghis in Dagestan."" All the men agreed that police had not fired at the demonstrators, but disagreed on how the protest came about. Some said it occurred spontaneously when rumors spread that Azerbaijan was about to draft 1,500 men from the Gussar region, where 75,000 Lezghis live. Others said the rally was ordered by Gen. Muhieddin Kahramanov, leader of the Lezhgi underground separatist movement, Sadval, based in Dagestan. ""We organized the demonstration when families came to us distraught about draft orders,"" said Kerim Babayev, a mathematics teacher who belongs to Sadval. ""We hope to reunite peacefully, by approaching everyone -- the Azerbaijanis, the Russians."" In the early 18th century, the Lezhgis formed two khanates, or sovereignties, in what are now Azerbaijan and Dagestan. They roamed freely with their sheep over the green hills and mountains between the two khanates. By 1812, the Lezghi areas were joined to czarist Russia. After 1917, they came under Soviet rule. With the disintegration of the Soviet Union, the 600,000 Lezghis were faced for the first time with strict borders. About half remained in Dagestan and half in newly independent Azerbaijan. ""We have to pay customs on all this, on cars, on wine,"" complained Mais Talibov, a small trader. His goods, laid out on the ground at the bazaar, included brandy, stomach medication and plastic shoes from Dagestan. ""We want our own country,"" he said. ""We want to be able to move about easily. But Baku won't listen to us."" Physically, it is hard for outsiders to distinguish Lezhgis from other Azerbaijanis. In many villages, they live side by side, working at the same jobs and intermarrying to some degree. But the Lezhgis have a distinctive language, a mixture of Arabic, Turkish and Persian with strong guttural vowels. Azerbaijan officially supports the cultural preservation of its 10 largest ethnic minorities. The Lezghis have weekly newspapers and some elementary school classes in their language. Autonomy is a different question. If the Lezghis succeeded in separating from Azerbaijan, they would set a precedent for other minorities, such as the Talish in the south, the Tats in the nearby mountains and the Avars of eastern Azerbaijan. -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 29 In article jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu writes: >behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >|> While we're on the subject, has anyone else noticed that the 1/2"" deep >|> well in Craftsman's $60 SAE deep well set is too small to fit a 1/2"" bolt or >|> nut? When I took the socket in for an exchange, EVERY !#%@ one of the 1/2"" >|> deep well sockets on the rack had the exact same problem!!! > >Not to imply that you didn't, but since you didn't mention it..... >did you measure the size of your test nut with callipers? Were all three >""cross lengths"" no more than 1/2""? I've seen bolt heads, and even a few >nuts, which got slightly thicker further down toward the basa... sort of >a trapizodial cross section. That I did not do; however, the sample bolt I took to the store fit rather well in the following: 1/2"" open end wrench, 1/2"" box end wrench, 1/2"" 12-point normal socket. I take that as meaning it's a 1/2"" bolt head. >But as several people have pointed out, and as I'm noting in the tool FAQ >I'm writing up in case anyone will want it, a lifetime guarantee doesn't >necessiarly mean better tools. Yup. At $6 a socket, I want the @#$@# thing to FIT! Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. ";7;1 "From: Peter Hansen Subject: Re: SIMM vs DRAM X-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 08:39:46 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm382 Organization: BNR X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 24 In article <27988.2BD32F3F@zeus.ieee.org> Arthur Greene, Arthur.Greene@p6.f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org writes: >Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a 256K DRAM chip and a >256K SIMM? I need the former (I think) to add memory to my Laserwriter >LS. Someone is offering to sell me 256K SIMMS he removed from an SE, but >I have a feeling this may not be the correct form of memory. The sockets >in the Laserwriter look like they want the spidery-shaped chips (there >are 4 sockets, each with, as I recall, 20 pins, arranged in two rows of 10). >Believe it or not, I've never actually seen a SIMM. Help appreciated. A 256K DRAM chip is a 256 kilobit chip whereas a 256K SIMM is a 256 kilobyte memory module. The SIMM is a PCB with a 30 pin connector edge and on the SIMM are 8 256 kilobit DRAM chips (making the total memory 256 KBytes. You are correct assuming that SIMMs will not fit into a LaserWriter. Apple printers either require 64 pin SIMMs like those in the Mac IIfx or special memory chips. Contact your Apple dealer to find out exactly what kind of chips you need. Peter Hansen Bell Northern Research pgmoffc@BNR.ca ";-1;0 "From: Christopher.S.Weinberger@williams.edu (Gib) Subject: Re: Divine providence vs. Murphy's Law Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA Lines: 21 In article rolfe@junior.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) writes: >Romans 8:28 (RSV) We know that in everything God works for good with those >who love him, who are called according to his purpose. >Murphy's Law: If anything can go wrong, it will. >We are all quite familiar with the amplifications and commentary on >Murphy's Law. But how do we harmonize that with Romans 8:28? For that >matter, how appropriate is humor contradicted by Scripture? Both Christians and non-Christians laugh at this quote because it exaggerates something we all feel, but know is not true. Us Christians just KNOW that a little better! :) In God we trust! -Christopher email @ 96csw@williams.edu ";-1;0 "From: rruther@watts.tansu.com.au (Ralf Rutherford) Subject: Re: Workgroup Questions (conven. ram and licensing) Organization: AOTC - CSSC Lines: 59 Distribution: world Reply-To: rruther@watts.tansu.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: watts.cssc-melb.tansu.com.au In article 0rA6ABh107h@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca, aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford) writes: >I would be very appreciative if someone would answer a few >questions about Windows for Workgroups. > >I currently have Novell Netware Lite which does not work with >Windows very well and is a conventional memory hog (ver. 1.1). >I am considering moving all our machines to W4WG. > >Q1: How much conventional ram does W4WG use over and above the > driver for the network card? > about 2.5Kbyte without Novell 3.11 support. >Q2: If I have a Novell NE2000 card, are the LSL and IPX drivers > still needed? > No. >Q3: Does W4WG do a license check over the network to ensure each > machine is running its own licenced copy of W4WG? (Note: I do > not want to break the license agreement and I will buy a copy > of W4WG for each of our machines, it is just that I would like > to try it out first to see if it meets our needs. Returning one > opened copy is much easier than returning N opened copies.) > No. >Q4: If you buy the upgrade to Windows 3.1 for W4WG does it replace > all of Win 3.1 as you install it or does it depend on current > Win 3.1 files? > Nearly all. >Q5: If I install Windows NT on my server when it comes out, will I have > any troubles with the W4WG machines? > We run mixed WNT beta and W4WG, no problem apart from printer sharing( beta problem) >When I started this message, I was going to ask only 2 questions but I got carried >away. I'll stop now ;-). > We had problems with mouse drivers using W4WG where Windows 3.1 didn't, seems to be more critical about it. It was actualy a port problem with the network card running on 0x2e0, we changed it to 0x300, now everything is allright, I think it has to do with the AMI Bios as well. >I look forward to your replies. > >Al > >-- >Alan Walford Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada Tel: 604-734-8655 >aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca OR ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew --- Ralf Rutherford Telecom Aust | MHSnet: rruther@cssc-melb.tansu.com.au Network Services | Snail: 700 Blackburn Rd, Clayton Vic 3168 Customised Software Solutions | Australia Center Melbourne | Phone: +61 3 253 8910 FAX: +61 3 265 6669 ";-1;0 "From: ingemar@isy.liu.se (Ingemar Ragnemalm) Subject: Re: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping Lines: 45 Steve Bollinger writes: >Enter game developers. The sound driver and current sound manager are >inconveniently lame for making games. The Sound Driver is pretty ok, since it's fast. Sound Manager used by the book is *useless*. Disposing of sound channels as soon as sound has completed is out of the question for games with smooth animation. (It's too slow.) The Sound Driver is so much snappier than Sound Manager. Unfortunately, System 7 supports it poorly, making programs crash occasionally. >The more of the story is to developers: DON'T CHEAT! >Really, I am absolutely, positively not allowed to do what I am about to >do, >but I'm going say it anyway. >Stop cheating on sound! >Really soon, you will be sorry, as even those without external speakers >will be disappointed with your sound on future hardware. The grace period >is about to end. >The Sound Manager is understandable now, and works pretty well and will >work >even better soon, so use it. Well, I want my code to work on old systems too. I don't know about sys 7.1, but at least on 6.0.7, there are bugs in the Sound Manager that causes channels to hang (with no error message). This happends when I keep a channel open for long periods - necessary for performance - and play many sounds, stopping sounds halfway. Callbacks seems not to be reliable. Then only way I can safely tell if a sound has stopped playing is to inspect private variables in the channel (QHead, I think it was), and the only way I have found to tell if a channel is hung is to inspect an *undocumented* flag and modify it. Am I happy with this? Nope. I consider writing to SoundBase simply to get rid of the bugs. Any better suggestions? (Silent games is not among the acceptab|e solutions.) -- Ingemar Ragnemalm Dept. of Electrical Engineering ...!uunet!mcvax!enea!rainier!ingemar .. University of Linkoping, Sweden ingemar@isy.liu.se ";-1;0 "From: qpliu@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu) Subject: Re: free moral agency Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu Reply-To: qpliu@princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 26 In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.000406.10984@Princeton.EDU> qpliu@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu) writes: > >>>So while Faith itself is a Gift, obedience is what makes Faith possible. >>What makes obeying different from believing? > I am still wondering how it is that I am to be obedient, when I have >no idea to whom I am to be obedient! It is all written in _The_Wholly_Babble:_the_Users_Guide_to_Invisible_ _Pink_Unicorns_. To be granted faith in invisible pink unicorns, you must read the Babble, and obey what is written in it. To obey what is written in the Babble, you must believe that doing so is the way to be granted faith in invisible pink unicorns. To believe that obeying what is written in the Babble leads to believing in invisible pink unicorns, you must, essentially, believe in invisible pink unicorns. This bit of circular reasoning begs the question: What makes obeying different from believing? -- qpliu@princeton.edu Standard opinion: Opinions are delta-correlated. ";-1;0 "From: jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Virginia's Gentleman) Subject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 11 In regard to Woody's post, I thought I would remind him of something in the midst of his tirade against academia: As a member of the generation likely to pay for the crap Reagan and his cronies started with the deficit according to the brilliant Laffer curve (NOT!) I think we need to look with open minds upon any ideas which will allow us to directly address the problems of the gigantic federal deficit and debt and continue to allow our economy to expand--and I don't remember Woody and co. complaining about academia while Laffer implemented his policy, Stockman approved it while being fully aware the numbers not adding up, and Reagan completing the largest con job of the century which my generation and I will now have to pay for. Jesse ";-1;0 "From: u96_msopher@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu Subject: With a surge in the last two weeks... Lines: 24 Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, lend me your ears for but a moment, The National Legue Eastern Division Champions will be the... Philadelphia Phillies I one hundred and ten percent guarantee!!! Chamberlain Hollins Dykstra Incaviglia Jackson Williams Daulton Greene Kruk Mulholland Rivera Thompson Duncan Watch us soar in 1993! ";-1;0 "From: Karim Edvard Ahmed Subject: Re: Truly a sad day for hockey Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr16.031823.11861@news.stolaf.edu> >A fine 26 year history came to a close tonight, as the Minnesota North Stars, >or Norm's Stars (whichever you prefer) lost to the Red Wings by a score of >5-3. The Stars goals were scored by Mike McPhee and Ulf Dahlen, who netted >two including the final one in franchise history, with less than a minute to >play. Yes, it's a shame that the NHL lost a fine team in one of the best hockey markets in the country. Being a North Stars fan, it is sad to see all of the tradition of the last 26 years get thrown into oblivion at the hands of a truly crappy owner. Hopefully the NHL will install an expansion franchise in the Twin Cities within the next five years. Even if this is the case, a lot has been lost in the North Stars move... KEA ";-1;0 "From: rj3s@Virginia.EDU (""Get thee to a nunnery....."") Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 32 eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu writes: > ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > > >I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in > >reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering > >reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is > >interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. > > If you consider Israeli reporting of events in Israel to be propoganda, then > consider the Washington Post's handling of American events to be propoganda > too. What makes the Israeli press inherently biased in your opinion? I > wouldn't compare it to Nazi propoganda either. Unless you want to provide > some evidence of Israeli inaccuracies or parallels to Nazism, I suggest you > keep your mouth shut. I'm sick and tired of all you anti-semites comparing > Israel to the Nazis (and yes, in my opinion, if you compare Israel to the Nazis > you are an anti-semite because you know damn well it isn't true and you are > just trying to discredit Israel). > > Ed. > You know ed,... You're right! Andi shouldn't be comparing Israel to the Nazis. The Israelis are much worse than the Nazis ever were anyway. The Nazis did a lot of good for Germany, and they would have succeeded if it weren't for the damn Jews. The Holocaust never happened anyway. Ample evidence given by George Schafer at Harvard, Dept. of History, and even by Randolph Higgins at NYU, have shown that the Holocaust was just a semitic conspiracy created to obtain sympathy to piush for the creation of Israel. ";-1;0 "From: dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) Subject: Re: Expanded NL Strike Zone? (Was Re: A surfeit of offense?) Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: birch.meaddata.com In article <13247@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.160447.17835@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu >(Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: > > >>We won't really be able to say anything for at least another couple of >>weeks. But so far it looks like a homerific season! (Might the umps >>be squeezing the strike zone?) >> > > >Watching the Braves on TBS, I would have said that the strike zone >in the NL has expanded this season. Specifically, it appears that >the strike zone has moved above the belt. Yeah, the announcers >have commented on that also, but it was also my perception. > >However, the strike zone hasn't climbed all the way up to >""the letters"". It's more like a little ways under the letters. > >Any other perceptions out there? Judging by the way the Reds' pitchers have performed thus far, it appears to me that the zone has been squeezed to the size of a grape. 1/2 :-) -- =============================================================================== Douglas N. Ritter dougr@meaddata.com Life is short - ride hard! ..!uunet!meaddata!dougr ";-1;0 "From: sp1marse@lina (Marco Seirio) Subject: Small PC Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 I'm looking for a PC that is small and doesn't break apart if you drop it on the groud. It doesn't have to have graphics, text only will do just fine. It doesn't have to be fast either, 8086 will do, I hope. But you must stand a pretty hard enviroment without breaking apart, jumnping on it or trying to use it outdoor while it is raining and so forth. I need 640Kb of memory and a convinient way of loading applications into it that I wrote myself (floppy or somekind of writeable cartridge?). Is there a PC like that?? And where can I get more info? I know of the Atari portfolio but it can't stand the rain.... Marco Seirio - In real life sp1marse@caligula.his.s ";-1;0 "From: dgf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (David Farley) Subject: Re: Why does Illustrator AutoTrace so poorly? Reply-To: dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 25 In article <0010580B.vmcbrt@diablo.UUCP> diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) writes: >I've been trying to figure out a way to get Adobe Illustrator >to auto-trace >exactly< what I see on my screen. But it misses >the edges of templates by as many as 6 pixels or more - resulting in images >that are useless - I need exact tracing, not approximate. > >I've tried adjusting the freehand tolerances as well as autotrace >tolerances but it doesn't help. Any suggestions? > >-- >charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against >cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress? >+1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress. I've had exactly the same problems in Aldus Freehand. I think autotracing is one of those ""features"" that barely works, but everybody feels compelled to throw it in because the other guys are doing it. :) -- David Farley The University of Chicago Library 312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210 dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Chicago, Illinois 60637 ";-1;0 "From: thinman@netcom.com (Technically Sweet) Subject: Re: Surface intersections Organization: International Foundation for Internal Freedom Lines: 19 sp1marse@lina (Marco Seirio) writes: >I have a problem with intersections between two surfaces. >Does anybody have a easy to understand algorithm for that or maybe >even C source?? > Marco Seirio - In real life sp1marse@caligula.his.s You also have a severe problem with news headers. FTP to cs.purdue.edu:pub/vanecek and pull proxima.tar.Z and proxima.ps.Z. Tres spif. -- Lance Norskog thinman@netcom.com Data is not information is not knowledge is not wisdom. ";-1;0 "Subject: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Keywords: Phillies Summary: Phillies Lines: 9 After reading my local paper today, I found out that the Phillies started the 1964 season at 10-2. I am not as old as 1964, but I've heard many talk about the serious choke job the Phillies did that season. They were ahead of the Cardinals by 15 games that season in mid-August. They managed to lose a bunch from then on and the Cardinals took the division. 15!!! games ahead and lost it.... I hope this season is MUCH different. ";-1;0 "From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Subject: DX3/99 Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Lines: 24 KM> Is the 486DX3/99 anything more than a myth? I haven't heard of it KM>from any source that I trust, and I sure don't see any ads for DX3/99 KM>machines in Computer Shopper. Intel is pretty busy with the Pentium KM>right now; I can't seem them introducing their own competition. I heard the rumor as well, but the story differed. Intel was not coming out with the tripling clock 486, a clone from IBM was. I got this rumor from a pretty good source ( Has designs computer equipment, and hav never been wrong let, but there is a first time for everything. ) ... I can just hear that rumor-mill turning now ... -rdd --- . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | ";-1;0 "From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: islamic authority over women Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 30 SCOTT D. SAUYET (SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu) wrote: : Regardless of people's hidden motivations, the stated reasons for many : wars include religion. Of course you can always claim that the REAL : reason was economics, politics, ethnic strife, or whatever. But the : fact remains that the justification for many wars has been to conquer : the heathens. : If you want to say, for instance, that economics was the chief cause : of the Crusades, you could certainly make that point. But someone : could come along and demonstrate that it was REALLY something else, in : the same manner you show that it was REALLY not religion. You could : in this manner eliminate all possible causes for the Crusades. : Scott, I don't have to make outrageous claims about religion's affecting and effecting history, for the purpsoe of a.a, all I have to do point out that many claims made here are wrong and do nothing to validate atheism. At no time have I made any statement that religion was the sole cause of anything, what I have done is point out that those who do make that kind of claim are mistaken, usually deliberately. To credit religion with the awesome power to dominate history is to misunderstand human nature, the function of religion and of course, history. I believe that those who distort history in this way know exaclty what they're doing, and do it only for affect. Bill ";-1;0 "From: pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 16 Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) writes: ... >people in primitive tribes out in the middle of nowhere as they look up >and see a can of Budweiser flying across the sky... :-D Seen that movie already. Or one just like it. Come to think of it, they might send someone on a quest to get rid of the dang thing... >Jeff Cook Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.com -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man ";-1;0 "From: phil@howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt) Subject: What is a Rapid Tech SQUEEZE card? Organization: Howtek, Inc. Reply-To: phil@howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt) X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 22 Hi, I am going through a box of old IBM card and came across one called a Rapid Technology SQUEEZE card. It is dated 1990 and has a 54mhz crystal on it and a big chip that has 'C-Cube' on it. No connectors to the outside, but a ribbon-type 50-pin connector on the board. It is a 16-bit board. Any ideas what it is? Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Hunt ""Wherever you go, there you are!"" Howtek, Inc. Internet: phil@howtek.MV.COM uucp: {decvax|harvard}!mv!howtek!phil ";-1;0 "From: gurakl@aix.rpi.edu (Laura J. Gurak) Subject: XT clone for sale Article-I.D.: rpi.+zt5m5_ Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY Lines: 35 Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu FOR SALE: IBM-compatible XT personal computer (DOS) Brand: Acer Age: 4.5 years Specs: 640K RAM 20 meg hard drive 5 -1/4 floppy drive Color monitor 2400 baud USRobotics internal modem Bundled with loads of software: word processing, communications, spreadsheet, games. A good computer that successfully got me through all of my BA, MS, and half of my PhD (I decided to switch to a Mac for my dissertation). Perfect for high school student, college student, or person who needs basic word processing, spreadsheet, and/or database capabilities. Best offer. Reply to Laura Gurak userglub@mts.rpi.edu -- ***************************************************************************** Laura J. Gurak/PhD candidate/Dept. Language, Literature, and Communication Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY 12180/gurakl@rpi.edu rhetorics of science & technology/social aspects of computing/rhet. criticism ";-1;0 "From: gal2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley) Subject: Clinton's sister, Shalala Reply-To: gal2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 22 Last night I heard something about Bill Clinton's sister being involved in a marijuana bust, and the news being suppressed. I also heard something about her being an ""ex-con"". This source is not reliable, though. (It was a collage/booklet advertising a local band.) Can anyone on the net verify this or provide more details? I'm surprised I haven't seen anything about this in this newsgroup. Also, does anyone know what happened to the charges that Shalala was a regular pot smoker when she was in college? This ghastly accusation was reported on CNN Streamline News the day she was nominated, then I never heard anything about it again. It's almost enough to make me want to start an Act-Up type campaign to invade the privacy of closet smokers! (If only this type of publicity didn't violate people's rights. . . .) Jake. -- * What's so interdisciplinary about studying lower levels of thought process? <-- Jacob Galley * gal2@midway.uchicago.edu ";-1;0 "From: jae2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Jason Ehas) Subject: Re: Giveaways Organization: Home of 1984 NCAA hockey champs Lines: 43 In article <1qi44l$kqr@access.digex.net>, steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) wrote: > > > John P. Curcio (jpc@philabs.philips.com) responded to my drivel: > > >steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) writes: > > > >>I still am surprised that no one has tried giving away the goodies at the end > >>of the game. The two problems with that, of course, are that you would want > >>to make sure the first people in the building would be assured of getting > >>them (probably redeemable vouchers), and that the building managers want to > >>avoid at all costs delaying people as they leave the building, if, for > >>instance, the goodies are given to people as they exit. > > > >I went to the New Jersey Devils/Carvel Ice Cream Puck Night (tm) last year to > >see the beloved Bruins play. The pucks were given out at the end of the game. > >I could just imagine what would have happened late in the third if the Bruins > >were winning.... > > It figures, after I posted the first article, I found out that the Whalers are > going to be using coupons for the the giveaway on Friday Night. I believe that > is is the ""Some Big Corporation (Probably a Bank) Flying Disk Night."" I think > that we could all see the potential for danger here... > > >|> All in all, I have seen a whole bunch of giveaways land on the ice, and it > >|> never ceases to amuse me. I'm just thankful for the players that no one has > >|> yet to sponsor 'Lead Pipe Night' at any arenas... > > > >That's probably because they couldn't find anyone to sponser it... Maybe USS > >could sponser the Pittsburgh Penguins/US Steel Steel Rod Night-- close enough? > > Naah, it'd probably bounce off of Jay Caufield. > > -SG I was at a Cincinnati Cyclones game a year ago when the local country station sponsored a kazoo giveaway. After a particularly bad call by the underexperienced ECHL ref, it was Kazoostorm time down on the ice. I thought this was a pathetic display by the fans, but they were rightfully unhappy. Jason ";-1;0 "From: zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (S. Hsieh) Subject: Re: Video/Audio/Computer equipment for sale.. Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 14 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: mickey.cc.utexas.edu On 21 Apr 1993 03:25:29 I wrote: > Quantum 105MB 3.5"" internal ProDrive hard disk > This unit has recently turned unreliable and erratic in usage. > Could be a simple easily fixed problem or a major problem, > but at any rate I don't have the time to find out where the > problem lies. If you want to take a risk on it, you can have > it for $45 + shipping. Forgot to mention that the above mentioned Quantum is a SCSI drive. -S. Hsieh zeno@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ";-1;0 "From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Organization: Vpnet Public Access Lines: 14 jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes: > I was wondering if people had any good uses for old >256k SIMMs... So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy >some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing >about it. About a month ago there was a photo posted on alt.binaries.pictures.misc of a 17.5-inch Northern Pike which had been caught on a lure made of 256K SIMMs. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd! ";-1;0 "From: davidr@davidr.mentorg.com (David Ransier) Subject: DOS6-W4WG Problem??? Nntp-Posting-Host: davidr.mentorg.com Organization: mentor Keywords: Lines: 20 I am running Windows 3.1, Windows for Work Groups and just loaded Dos 6. What`s happening appears as a graphics problem with File Manager. I've added some menubar buttons but there appears to be a gray boxed region that covers the top 2/3'rds of the button row. These buttons are in a row below the pulldown menus. the pulldown menus look fine, and the disk label region looks fine, but you only see the bottom few pixels of the task buttons. Anyone else experience this? Thanks. +++++++++++++ David Ransier davidr@pdx.mentorg.com These comments are my own. I paid for Office: (503) 685-1528 them. I own them. They're not my Fax: (503) 685-7704 employers, and you can't have them. +++++++++++++ ";-1;0 "From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Nntp-Posting-Host: gibson.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr5.212018.25066@eng.cam.ac.uk> dscy@eng.cam.ac.uk (D.S.C. Yap) writes: >smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: > >> Team Biggest Biggest >>Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik >>Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce > > ^^^^^^^^ > weren't these two > traded for each > other? Poetic justice. They were, and even if Washington might consider Patty a bust, I'd rework that trade in a minute. Druce has been a complete and utter bust here, only 5 goals. Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! ";-1;0 "From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 26 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable > one: Make it voluntary. As usually, you are not reading. The proposal -does- say that it is a ""voluntary program"". This doesn't make it more desirable, though... > That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree > to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. ""Secure""? How do you know? Because NSA is trying to make you believe it? ""Trust us."" Yeah, right. ""Otherwise you are on your own""? How do you know that tomorrow they will not outlaw encrypring devices that don't use ""their"" technology? Because they are promising you? Gee, they are not doing even that - read the proposal again. Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany ";16;1 "From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA Lines: 60 In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: > >In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: > >> Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower > >> the cost and definitely make them safer to use. > > > > Yes. > > > >> I don't think we want to start using these criterion to determine > >> legality. > > > > Why not? > > > Where do they get these people?! What, pray tell, does this mean? Just who exactly is *they*? You mean ""they"" as in people who do not blindly swallow every piece of propoganda they are given? Or ""they"" as in NOKD (not our kind, dear). Or ""they"" as in an appeal to some audience that is supposed to implicitly know and understand? > I really don't want to waste time in > here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we > can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am not eager to make a fool of myself. > My point was that it is pretty stupid to justify legalizing something just > because it will be safer and cheaper. From a pragmatic standpoint, there certainly is some justification if it is a vice people will commit anyway. Shall we criminalize alcohol again? If the re-legalization for alcohol were done from anything other than the pragmatic standpoint, I'd be happy to hear about it. The fact is that it wasn't. > A few more ideas to hold to these criterion - prostitution; the killing of all > funny farm patients, AIDS ""victims"", elderly, unemployed, prisioners, etc. - > this would surely make my taxes decrease. Only the first one make any sense. There is nothing to ""legalize"" about all the rest. Just in case you haven't made the connection (which I expect you haven't) the connecting theme in this thread is a persons autonomy over their life and body. Vice statutes serve only to make it more expensive for the rich and more dangerous for the poor, as Tim so eloquently put it. People will, however, take autonomy over their lives, regardless of what the government says. And why, pray tell, is AIDS ""victim"" in snear quotes? Are you of the revisionist sort that thinks there is no such thing as the AIDS plauge? Or do they just deserve it? -- Michael Thomas (mike@gordian.com) ""I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."" -- Hobbes to Calvin USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca, 92707-5637 PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax) ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution From: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) Reply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept. Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie Lines: 26 In article <1pik3i$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >In article , bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: >|> >|> >|> Why do you spend so much time posting here if your atheism is so >|> incidental, if the question of God is trivial? Fess up, it matters to >|> you a great deal. > >Ask yourself two questions. > > 1. How important is Mithras in your life today? > > 2. How important would Mithras become if there was a > well funded group of fanatics trying to get the > schools system to teach your children that Mithras > was the one true God? > >jon. Right on, Jon! Who cares who or whose, as long as it works for the individual. But don't try to impose those beliefs on us or our children. I would add the well-funded group tries also to purge science, to deny children access to great wonders and skills. And how about the kids born to creationists? What a burden with which to begin adult life. It must be a cruel awakening for those who finally see the light, provided it is possible to escape from the depths of this type of ignorance. ";9;1 "From: stlucas@gdwest.gd.com (Joseph St. Lucas) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: General Dynamics Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 10 Don't have a list of what's been said before, so hopefully not repeating. How about horizontally mounted oil filters (like on my Ford) that, no matter how hard you try, will spill out their half quart on the bottom of the car when you change them? -- Joe St.Lucas stlucas@gdwest.gd.com Standard Disclaimers Apply General Dynamics Space Systems, San Diego Work is something to keep me busy between Ultimate Frisbee games. ";-1;0 "From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 117 In article <16BB112949.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >In article <115287@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >>>>>A brutal system filtered through ""leniency"" is not lenient. >>>>Huh? >>>How do you rate public floggings or floggings at all? Chopping off the >>>hands, heads, or other body parts? What about stoning? >>I don't have a problem with floggings, particularly, when the offenders >>have been given a chance to change their behavior before floggings are >>given. I do have a problem with maiming in general, by whatever means. >>In my opinion no-one who has not maimed another should be maimed. In >>the case of rape the victim _is_ maimed, physically and emotionally, >>so I wouldn't have a problem with maiming rapists. Obviously I wouldn't >>have a problem with maiming murderers either. >May I ask if you had the same opinion before you became a Muslim? Sure. Yes, I did. You see I don't think that rape and murder should be dealt with lightly. You, being so interested in leniency for leniency's sake, apparently think that people should simply be told the ""did a _bad_ thing."" >And what about the simple chance of misjudgements? Misjudgments should be avoided as much as possible. I suspect that it's pretty unlikely that, given my requirement of repeated offenses, that misjudgments are very likely. >>>>>>""Orient"" is not a place having a single character. Your ignorance >>>>>>exposes itself nicely here. >>>>>Read carefully, I have not said all the Orient shows primitive machism. >>>>Well then, why not use more specific words than ""Orient""? Probably >>>>because in your mind there is no need to (it's all the same). >>>Because it contains sufficient information. While more detail is possible, >>>it is not necessary. >>And Europe shows civilized bullshit. This is bullshit. Time to put out >>or shut up. You've substantiated nothing and are blabbering on like >>""Islamists"" who talk about the West as the ""Great Satan."" You're both >>guilty of stupidities. >I just love to compare such lines to the common plea of your fellow believers >not to call each others names. In this case, to substantiate it: The Quran >allows that one beATs one's wife into submission. Really? Care to give chapter and verse? We could discuss it. >Primitive Machism refers to >that. (I have misspelt that before, my fault). Again, not all of the Orient follows the Qur'an. So you'll have to do better than that. Sorry, you haven't ""put out"" enough. >>>Islam expresses extramarital sex. Extramarital sex is a subset of sex. It is >>>suppressedin Islam. That marial sexis allowed or encouraged in Islam, as >>>it is in many branches of Christianity, too, misses the point. >>>Read the part about the urge for sex again. Religions that run around telling >>>people how to have sex are not my piece of cake for two reasons: Suppressing >>>a strong urge needs strong measures, and it is not their business anyway. >>Believe what you wish. I thought you were trying to make an argument. >>All I am reading are opinions. >It is an argument. That you doubt the validity of the premises does not change >it. If you want to criticize it, do so. Time for you to put up or shut up. This is an argument for why _you_ don't like religions that suppress sex. A such it's an irrelevant argument. If you'd like to generalize it to an objective statement then fine. My response is then: you have given no reason for your statement that sex is not the business of religion (one of your ""arguments""). The urge for sex in adolescents is not so strong that any overly strong measures are required to suppress it. If the urge to have sex is so strong in an adult then that adult can make a commensurate effort to find a marriage partner. Gregg ";-1;0 "From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) Subject: For Sale: Misc IBM stuff Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 10 5.25"" Internal Low density disk drive. Monochrome monitor 8088 motherboard, built in parallel and serial ports, built in mono and color output, 7Mhz. Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. I define myself--tsa@cellar.org ";8;1 "From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Lines: 42 In article <1993Apr20.001757.7543@bby.com.au>, gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) writes: > In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net> gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: > >> Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation >> who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a >> year. > > And with $1B on offer, the problem of ""keeping them alive"" is highly > likely to involve more than just the lunar environment! > > ""Oh Dear, my freighter just landed on the roof of ACME's base and they > all died. How sad. Gosh, that leaves us as the oldest residents."" > > ""Quick Boss, the slime from YoyoDyne are back, and this time they've > got a tank! Man the guns!"" > > One could imagine all sorts of technologies being developed in that > sort of environment..... > > Greg. > > (I'm kidding, BTW, although the problem of winner-takes-all prizes is > that it encourages all sorts of undesirable behaviour - witness > military procurement programs. And $1b is probably far too small a > reward to encourage what would be a very expensive and high risk > proposition.) > - > Gregory Bond Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia Hey! My dad has an old hangar and Judy has some old rockets in her attic, let's put on a Lunar program! . . . Sounds good, but . . . Let's play a game - What would be a reasonable reward? What companies would have a reasonable shot at pulling off such a feat? Just where in the budget would the reward come from? Should there be a time limit? Would a straight cash money award be enough or should we throw in say . . . exclusive mining rights for the first fifty years? You get the idea. I'd like to play but I don't have a clue to the answers. Tom Freebairn | He who refuses to understand math | will probably never get his checkbook figured out. ";-1;0 "From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: '87 Buick Century Estate Wagon Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: cmh Lines: 1 This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader. ";-1;0 "From: jlange%radian@natinst.com (John Lange) Subject: WANTED: Used audio mixer Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: zippy.radian.com Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas Lines: 9 I'm looking for a used/inexpensive audio mixer. I need at least 4 channels of stereo input and 1 channel of stereo output, but I would prefer 8 or more input channels. Each channel needs to have at least a volume control. I'll consider buying broken equipment. The mixer needs to be fairly small (I haven't got a lot of space for it). John Lange (jlange@zippy.radian.com) Radian Corp. (512)454-4797 Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720-1088 ";-1;0 "From: buenneke@monty.rand.org (Richard Buenneke) Subject: White House outlines options for station, Russian cooperation X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 71 ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy To: spacenews@austen.rand.org, cti@austen.rand.org Subject: White House outlines options for station, Russian cooperation Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 16:00:21 PDT From: Richard Buenneke 4/06/93: GIBBONS OUTLINES SPACE STATION REDESIGN GUIDANCE NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C. April 6, 1993 RELEASE: 93-64 Dr. John H. Gibbons, Director, Office of Science and Technology Policy, outlined to the members-designate of the Advisory Committee on the Redesign of the Space Station on April 3, three budget options as guidance to the committee in their deliberations on the redesign of the space station. A low option of $5 billion, a mid-range option of $7 billion and a high option of $9 billion will be considered by the committee. Each option would cover the total expenditures for space station from fiscal year 1994 through 1998 and would include funds for development, operations, utilization, Shuttle integration, facilities, research operations support, transition cost and also must include adequate program reserves to insure program implementation within the available funds. Over the next 5 years, $4 billion is reserved within the NASA budget for the President's new technology investment. As a result, station options above $7 billion must be accompanied by offsetting reductions in the rest of the NASA budget. For example, a space station option of $9 billion would require $2 billion in offsets from the NASA budget over the next 5 years. Gibbons presented the information at an organizational session of the advisory committee. Generally, the members-designate focused upon administrative topics and used the session to get acquainted. They also received a legal and ethics briefing and an orientation on the process the Station Redesign Team is following to develop options for the advisory committee to consider. Gibbons also announced that the United States and its international partners -- the Europeans, Japanese and Canadians -- have decided, after consultation, to give ""full consideration"" to use of Russian assets in the course of the space station redesign process. To that end, the Russians will be asked to participate in the redesign effort on an as-needed consulting basis, so that the redesign team can make use of their expertise in assessing the capabilities of MIR and the possible use of MIR and other Russian capabilities and systems. The U.S. and international partners hope to benefit from the expertise of the Russian participants in assessing Russian systems and technology. The overall goal of the redesign effort is to develop options for reducing station costs while preserving key research and exploration capabilitiaes. Careful integration of Russian assets could be a key factor in achieving that goal. Gibbons reiterated that, ""President Clinton is committed to the redesigned space station and to making every effort to preserve the science, the technology and the jobs that the space station program represents. However, he also is committed to a space station that is well managed and one that does not consume the national resources which should be used to invest in the future of this industry and this nation."" NASA Administrator Daniel S. Goldin said the Russian participation will be accomplished through the East-West Space Science Center at the University of Maryland under the leadership of Roald Sagdeev. ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy ";-1;0 "Subject: Burzynski's ""Antineoplastons"" From: jschwimmer@wccnet.wcc.wesleyan.edu (Josh Schwimmer) Distribution: world Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA Nntp-Posting-Host: consultants.con.wesleyan.edu Lines: 20 I've recently listened to a tape by Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, in which he claims to have discovered a series naturally occuring peptides with anti- cancer properties that he names antineoplastons. Burzynski says that his work has met with hostility in the United States, despite the favorable responses of his subjects during clinical trials. What is the generally accepted opinion of Dr. Burzynski's research? He paints himself as a lone researcher with a new breakthrough battling an intolerant medical establishment, but I have no basis from which to judge his claims. Two weeks ago, however, I read that the NIH's Department of Alternative Medicine has decided to focus their attention on Burzynski's work. Their budget is so small that I imagine they wouldn't investigate a treatment that didn't seem promising. Any opinions on Burzynski's antineoplastons or information about the current status of his research would be appreciated. -- Joshua Schwimmer jschwimmer@eagle.wesleyan.edu ";4;1 "From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kokopeli) Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 35 tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >From jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca Thu Sep 12 10:35:58 1991 >> >>Ron Hassey will be a minor league manager with the Yankees. >Dunno what happened to him. Maybe I can help you. He's a major league coach with the Rockies. So above prediction is doubly wrong. My prediction: The Red Sox-Cubs Series and Vikings-Broncos SuperBore will occur at the end of the world. And one Rockie will finish in the top 10 of an offensive catagory this year. And no Rockie starter will have an ERA below 3.50. And the Rangers fade will not begin until...August. They'll give way to the Angels. But still challenge to the end. Really. Not making any of this up. If I am, may God strike me down *ZZZZZZT* >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for listening! >-Valentine -- Dylan Wilbanks, Environ. Con : The official USENET rabid fan of the major, U of Colorado, Boulder: Colorado Rockies. Clip this .sig for PO Box 1143, Boulder, CO : 20% off on your next Rockies woof!!! 80306-1143. Life is bigger. : (this space intenionally blank) ";-1;0 "From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) Subject: Opening Day of 1990? Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 30 Distribution: usa Expires: 5/9/93 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Summary: Baltimore O's not looking stellar The O's just lost to the Rangers a few minutes ago I was not too happy about the pitching of Rick Sutcliffe (6 runs in 6 innings, 5 in the 3?) This puts me in remembering the 1990 O's season. After '89 we didn't do much over winter and we wound up in 5th. Now I know that Mussina, McDonald, and Rhodes are better pitching prospects than Ballard and Milacki but are any other Oriole fans scared out there? Admiral Steve C. Liu P.S. Other scores as of now. Cincy over Montreal, 2-1 I think FLORIDA IS LEADING LA 6-3 IN THE 8TH! Braves vs. Cubs, 1-0 in the 8th. Futility of Cubs batting haunting them. Yanks beat the Tribe I believe. ____________________________________________________________________________ |Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| |Commander-In-Chief of the Security Division of the Pi Club - Earth Chapter| | President of the Earth Chapter of the Pi Club - Founded April 1990 | |1993 World Champions - Baltimore Orioles - Why Not? - Series in the Yards| | 1992-1993 Stanley Cup Champions - Washington Capitals | | ""Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | | and their Rehabilitation Into Society, the only problem is that the | | abbreviation is CLITORIS."" from the ""Polymorph"" episode of Red Dwarf | |*****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!*****| | This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! | |""My God man, drilling holes through his head is not the answer!"" Dr. McCoy| |""You know, Susanna Hoffs has a really nice ass."" - comment by M. Flanagan | | The Pi Club - Creating the largest .signatures for the past nine months | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";-1;0 "From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) Subject: Daily Verse Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 4 How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver! Proverbs 16:16 ";-1;0 "From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) Subject: Re: Kind, loving, merciful and forgiving GOD! Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA Lines: 41 In article <8846@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: }m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: }>}(a) out of context; }>Must have missed when you said this about these other ""promises of god"" that we keep }>getting subjected to. Could you please explain why I am wrong and they are OK? }>Or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy. Both or neither. } }So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for }taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a }response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? Did I either ask or assert that? Or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again? }>BTW to David Josli: I'm still waiting for either your public }>acknowledgement of your }>telepathy and precognition (are you a witch?) or an appology and retraction. } }Can you wait without whining? To pass the time, maybe you should go }back and read the portions of my article that you so conveniently }deleted in your reply. You'll find most of your answers there. Nope: In particular: >once he realized that he had Example of telepathy? >responding Jim's threa What threat. Produce it. >Jim again, still mystified More telepathy? Or maybe just empathic telepathy, capable of determining emotional states. >Jim, trying to More telepathy. How do you know ""trying""?!?!? >Jim, preparing to Precognition? Substantiate. All this taken from your Message-ID: <8257@blue.cis.pitt.edu>. ";19;1 "From: jimmyhua@aludra.usc.edu (Jimmy Huang) Subject: [Q] Connor PC 30204 jumper settings Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu Anyone who knows this answer off-hand, please answer me by e-mail quickly ;). There is a pair of jumpers on one side, and a set of 3 or 4 on the other end. One is labeled, sync , and one CD, and E0 E1 E2. Whhich do I need to short, or disconnect to get drive to operate in slave mode? Give me a label or ""geographic label, as they have quite a few jumpers, and I don't wanna try the trial and error method... I am using IDE. I think this drive is SCSI compatible too. Jimmy jimmyhua@usc.edu ";-1;0 "From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violatins in Azerbaijan #009 Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 262 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violatins in Azerbaijan #009 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | There were about six burned people in there, and the small | | corpse of a burned child. It was gruesome. I suffered a | | tremendous shock. There were about ten people there, but the | | doctor on duty said that because of the numbers they were being | | taken to Baku. There was a woman's corpse there too, she had | | been . . . well, there was part of a body there . . . a | | hacked-off part of a woman's body. It was something terrible. | | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF ROMAN ALEKSANDROVICH GAMBARIAN Born 1954 Senior Engineer Sumgait Automotive Transport Production Association Resident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 40 Microdistrict No. 3 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] What happened in Sumgait was a great tragedy, an awful tragedy for us, the Armenian people, and for all of mankind. A genocide of Armenians took place during peacetime. And it was a great tragedy for me personally, because I lost my father in those days. He was still young. Born in 1926. On that day, February 28, we were at home. Of course we had heard that there was unrest in town, my younger brother Aleksandr had told us about it. But we didn't think . . . we thought that everything would happen outdoors, that they wouldn't go into people's apartments. About five o'clock we saw a large crowd near the Kosmos movie theater in our microdistrict. We were sitting at home watching television. We go out on the balcony and see the crowd pour into Mir Street. This is right near downtown, next to the airline ticket office, our house is right nearby. That day there was a group of policeman with shields there. They threw rocks at those policemen. Then they moved off in the direction of our building. They burned a motorcycle in our courtyard and started shouting for Armenians to come out of the building. We switched off the light. As it turns out, their signal was just the opposite: to turn on the light. That meant that it was an Azerbaijani home. We, of course, didn't know and thought that if they saw lights on they would come to our apartment. Suddenly there's pounding on the door. We go to the door, all four of us: there were four of us in the apartment. Father, Mother, my younger brother Aleksandr, and I. He was born in 1959. My father was a veteran of World War II and had fought in China and in the Soviet Far East; he was a pilot. We went to the door and they started pounding on it harder, breaking it down with axes. We start to talk to them in Azerbaijani, ""What's going on? What's happened?"" They say, ""Armenians, get out of here!"" We don't open the door, we say, ""If we have to leave, we'll leave, we'll leave tomorrow."" They say, ""No, leave now, get out of here, Armenian dogs, get out of here!"" By now they've broken the door both on the lock and the hinge sides. We hold them off as best we can, my father and I on one side, and my mother and brother on the other. We had prepared ourselves: we had several hammers and an axe in the apartment, and grabbed what we could find to defend ourselves. They broke in the door and when the door gave way, we held it for another half-hour. No neighbors, no police and no one from the city government came to our aid the whole time. We held the door. They started to smash the door on the lock side, first with an axe, and then with a crowbar. When the door gave way--they tore it off its hinges--Sasha hit one of them with the axe. The axe flew out of his hands. They also had axes, crowbars, pipes, and special rods made from armature shafts. One of them hit my father in the head. The pressure from the mob was immense. When we retreated into the room, one of them hit my mother, too, in the left part of her face. My brother Sasha and I fought back, of course. Sasha is quite strong and hot-tempered, he was the judo champion of Sumgait. We had hammers in our hands, and we injured several of the bandits--in the heads and in the eyes, all that went on. But they, the injured ones, fell back, and others came to take their places, there were many of them. The door fell down at an angle. The mob tried to remove the door, so as to go into the second room and to continue . . . to finish us off. Father brought skewers and gave them to Sasha and me--we flew at them when we saw Father bleeding: his face was covered with blood, he had been wounded in the head, and his whole face was bloody. We just threw ourselves on them when we saw that. We threw ourselves at the mob and drove back the ones in the hall, drove them down to the third floor. We came out on the landing, but a group of the bandits remained in one of the rooms they were smashing all the furniture in there, having closed the door behind them. We started tearing the door off to chase away the remaining ones or finish them. Then a man, an imposing man of about 40, an Azerbaijani, came in. When he was coming in, Father fell down and Mother flew to him, and started to cry out. I jumped out onto the balcony and started calling an ambulance, but then the mob started throwing stones through the windows of our veranda and kitchen. We live on the fourth floor. And no one came. I went into the room. It seemed to me that this man was the leader of the group. He was respectably dressed in a hat and a trench coat with a fur collar. And he addressed my mother in Azerbaijani: ""What's with you, woman, why are you shouting? What happened? Why are you shouting like that?"" She says, ""What do you mean, what happened? You killed somebody!"" My father was a musician, he played the clarinet, he played at many weddings, Armenian and Azerbaijani, he played for many years. Everyone knew him. Mother says, ""The person who you killed played at thousands of Azerbaijani weddings, he brought so much joy to people, and you killed that person."" He says, ""You don't need to shout, stop shouting."" And when they heard the voice of this man, the 15 to 18 people who were in the other room opened the door and started running out. We chased after them, but they ran away. That man left, too. As we were later told, downstairs one of them told the others, I don't know if it was from fright or what, told them that we had firearms, even though we only fought with hammers and an axe. We raced to Father and started to massage his heart, but it was already too late. We asked the neighbors to call an ambulance. The ambulance never came, although we waited for it all evening and all through the night. Somewhere around midnight about 15 policemen came. They informed us they were from Khachmas. They said, ""We heard that a group was here at your place, you have our condolences."" They told us not to touch anything and left. Father lay in the room. So we stayed home. Each of us took a hammer and a knife. We sat at home. Well, we say, if they descend on us again we'll defend ourselves. Somewhere around one o'clock in the morning two people came from the Sumgait Procuracy, investigators. They say, ""Leave everything just how it is, we're coming back here soon and will bring an expert who will record and photograph everything."" Then people came from the Republic Procuracy too, but no one helped us take Father away. The morning came and the neighbors arrived. We wanted to take Father away somehow. We called the Procuracy and the police a couple of times, but no one came. We called an ambulance, and nobody came. Then one of the neighbors said that the bandits were coming to our place again and we should hide. We secured the door somehow or other. We left Father in the room and went up to the neighbor's. The excesses began again in the morning. The bandits came in several vehicles, ZIL panel trucks, and threw themselves out of the vehicles like . . . a landing force near the center of town. Our building was located right there. A crowd formed. Then they started fighting with the soldiers. Then, in Buildings 19 and 20, that's next to the airline ticket office, they started breaking into Armenian apartments, destroying property, and stealing. The Armenians weren't at home, they had managed to flee and hide somewhere. And again they poured in the direction of our building. They were shouting that there were some Armenians left on the fourth floor, meaning us. ""They're up there, still, up there. Let's go kill them!"" They broke up all the furniture remaining in the two rooms, threw it outside, and burned it in large fires. We were hiding one floor up. Something heavy fell. Sasha threw himself toward the door shouting that it was probably Father, they had thrown Father, were defiling the corpse, probably throwing it in the fire, going to burn it. I heard it, and the sound was kind of hollow, and I said, ""No, that's from some of the furniture."" Mother and I pounced on Sasha and stopped him somehow, and calmed him down. The mob left somewhere around eight o'clock. They smashed open the door and went into the apartment of the neighbors across from us. They were also Armenians, they had left for another city. The father of the neighbor who was concealing us came and said, ""Are you crazy? Why are you hiding Armenians? Don't you now they're checking all the apartments? They could kill you and them!"" And to us :"" . . . Come on, leave this apartment!"" We went down to the third floor, to some other neighbors'. At first the man didn't want to let us in, but then one of his sons asked him and he relented. We stayed there until eleven o'clock at night. We heard the sound of motors. The neighbors said that it was armored personnel carriers. We went downstairs. There was a light on in the room where we left Father. In the other rooms, as we found out later, all the chandeliers had been torn down. They left only one bulb. The bulb was burning, which probably was a signal they had agreed on because there was a light burning in every apartment in our Microdistrict 3 where there had been a pogrom. With the help of the soldiers we made it to the City Party Committee and were saved. Our salvation--my mother's, my brother's, and mine,--was purely accidental, because, as we later found out from the neighbors, someone in the crowd shouted that we had firearms up there. Well, we fought, but we were only able to save Mother. We couldn't save Father. We inflicted many injuries on the bandits, some of them serious. But others came to take their places. We were also wounded, there was blood, and we were scratched all over--we got our share. It was a miracle we survived. We were saved by a miracle and the troops. And if troops hadn't come to Sumgait, the slaughter would have been even greater: probably all the Armenians would have been victims of the genocide. Through an acquaintance at the City Party Committee I was able to contact the leadership of the military unit that was brought into the city, and at their orders we were assigned special people to accompany us, experts. We went to ' pick up Father's corpse. We took it to the morgue. This was about two o'clock in the morning, it was already March 1, it was raining very hard and it was quite cold, and we were wearing only our suits. When my brother and I carried Father into the morgue we saw the burned and disfigured corpses. There were about six burned people in there, and the small corpse of a burned child. It was gruesome. I suffered a tremendous shock. There were about ten people there, but the doctor on duty said that because of the numbers they were being taken to Baku. There was a woman's corpse there too, she had been . . . well, there was part of a body there . . . a hacked-off part of a woman's body. It was something terrible. The morgue was guarded by the landing force . . . The child that had been killed was only ten or twelve years old. It was impossible to tell if it was a boy or a girl because the corpse was burned. There was a man there, too, several men. You couldn't tell anything because their faces were disfigured, they were in such awful condition... Now two and a half months have passed. Every day I recall with horror what happened in the city of Sumgait. Every day: my father, and the death of my father, and how we fought, and the people's sorrow, and especially the morgue. I still want to say that 70 years have passed since Soviet power was established, and up to the very last minute we could not conceive of what happened in Sumgait. It will go down in history. I'm particularly surprised that the mob wasn't even afraid of the troops. They even fought the soldiers. Many soldiers were wounded. The mob threw fuel mixtures onto the armored personnel carriers, setting them on fire. They weren't afraid. They were so sure of their impunity that they attacked our troops. I saw the clashes on February 29 near the airline ticket office, right across from our building. And that mob was fighting with the soldiers. The inhabitants of some of the buildings, also Azerbaijanis, threw rocks at the soldiers from windows, balconies, even cinder blocks and glass tanks. They weren't afraid of them. I say they were sure of their impunity. When we were at the neighbors' and when they were robbing homes near the airline ticket office I called the police at number 3-20-02 and said that they were robbing Armenian apartments and burning homes. And they told me that they knew that they were being burned. During those days no one from the police department came to anyone's aid. No one came to help us, either, to our home, even though perhaps they could have come and saved us. As we later found out the mob was given free vodka and drugs, near the bus station. Rocks were distributed in all parts of town to be thrown and used in fighting. So I think all of it was arranged in advance. They even knew in which buildings and apartments the Armenians lived, on which floors--they had lists, the bandits. You can tell that the ""operation"" was planned in advance. Thanks, of course, to our troops, to the country's leadership, and to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense for helping us, thanks to the Russian people, because the majority of the troops were Russians, and the troops suffered losses, too. I want to express this gratitude in the name of my family and in the name of all Armenians, and in the name of all Sumgait Armenians. For coming in time and averting terrible things: worse would have happened if that mob had not been stopped on time. At present an investigation is being conducted on the part of the USSR Procuracy. I want to say that those bandits should receive the severest possible punishment, because if they don't, the tragedy, the genocide, could happen again. Everyone should see that the most severe punishment is meted out for such deeds. Very many bandits and hardened hooligans took part in the unrest, in the mass disturbances. The mobs were huge. At present not all of them have been caught, very few of them have been, I think, judging by the newspaper reports. There were around 80 people near our building alone, that's how many people took part in the pogrom of our building all in all. They should all receive the most severe punishment so that others see that retribution awaits those who perform such acts. May 18, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 153-157 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 ";-1;0 "From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 24 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: hijack.berkeley.edu In article <15469@optilink.COM> brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes: >Finally, because there is essentially no possibility of intercepting in >realtime the scrutable content of communications between stolen instruments, >there will exist strong motivation to record and archive _all_ communications >in the network for ex-post-facto scrutiny (once some criminal act is >discovered, and the instruments involved have been identified). It seems likely to me that that a large subset of encrypted communications would be archived to tape so they could be read if sometime in the future probable cause arises and a warrant is obtained. I can even imagine this being found legal and constitutional, since nothing is actually listened to until a valid warrant is issued and the keys are obtained. Imagine archiving all pay-phone conversations, so if someone turns out to be a drug dealer, you can listen to all their past drug deals. And archive calls to/from suspected Mafia members, potential terrorists, radicals, etc. Imagine the convenience for the police of being able to get a warrant now and listening to all the calls the World Trade Center bombers made in the past year. Since archiving would be such a powerful tool and so easy to do, why wouldn't it happen? Ken Shirriff shirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU ";16;1 "From: lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. Lundby) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: accord2 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 48 >>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? >>Superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? >> As a person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are too, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE FOOD INDUSTRY WANTS TO PUT MSG IN FOOD!!! Somebody in the industry GIVE ME SOME REASONS WHY! IS IT AN INDUSTRIAL BYPRODUCT THAT NEEDS GETTING GET RID OF? IS IT TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT THE RECIPES ARE NOT VERY GOOD OR THE FOOD IS POOR QUALITY? DO SOME OF YOU GET A SADISTIC PLEASURE OUT OF MAKING SOME OF US SICK? DO THE TASTE TESTERS HAVE SOME DEFECT IN THEIR FLAVOR SENSORS (MOUTH etc...) THAT MSG CORRECTS? I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! ALSO ... Nitrosiamines (sp) and sulfites... Why them? There are safer ways to preserve food, wines, and beers! I think 1) outlaw the use of these substances without warning labels as large as those on cig. packages. 2) Require 30% of comparable products on the market to be free of these substances and state that they are free of MSG, DYES, NITROSIAMINES and SULFITES on the package. 3) While at it outlaw yellow dye #5. For that matter why dye food? 4) Take the dyes and flavorings out of vitamins. (In my OSCO only Stress Tabs (tm) didn't have yellow dye #5) { My doctor says Yellow Dye #5 is responsible for 1/2 of all nasal polyps !!! } KEEP FOOD FOOD! QUIT PUTTING IN JUNK! JUST MY TWO CENTS WORTH. Sig: A person tired of getting sick from this junk! -- Walter Lundby -- Walter Lundby ";-1;0 "From: bsaffo01@cad.gmeds.com (Brian H. Safford) Subject: IGES Viewer for DOS/Windows Organization: EDS/Cadillac Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ccadmn1.cad.gmeds.com Anybody know of an IGES Viewer for DOS/Windows? I need to be able to display ComputerVision IGES files on a PC running Windows 3.1. Thanks in advance. +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Brian H. Safford EMAIL: bsaffo01@cad.gmeds.com | | Electronic Data Systems PHONE: (313) 696-6302 | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | NOTE: The views and opinions expressed herein are mine, | | and DO NOT reflect those of Electronic Data Systems Corp. | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: aaronc@athena.mit.edu (Aaron Bryce Cardenas) Subject: Re: Questions from a newbie Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 7 Jerry Kaufman writes: >The Bible says that He looks on the heart as the >final measure. From that perspective, in a grading context, the heart is >the final test. Very true. One might also say that life is an Open Book Test. ";-1;0 "Subject: WANGTEK Tape Controller Card Revision E - address & IRQ wanted From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand Lines: 26 I have a WANGTEK tape controller card (Revision E) that was used with the Sytos backup system to take backups of a friend's system. That system has crashed and I'm attempting to restore it. Unfortunately, the documentation for this ancient card has been lost in the mists of time, and I need to know the DMA, IRQ and address for this card. Can anyone suggest how I could determine these things? There is a bank of dip switches on the card which are set to: --------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 UPUPUP UPUPUP UPUP UPUP ------OPEN---------- Thanks for your time. -- This posting is definitive. bljeghbe'chugh vaj blHegh. Wayne McDougall :: Keeper of the list of shows better than Star Trek(TM) :: Ask me about the Auckland Festival of Missions, 18-25 April, 1993 I always change my mind when new evidence is available. What method do you use? ";5;1 "From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 58 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > In article <1r1rad$7rl@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: > >In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > > [The original question was about who started the fire and whether the > ""madmen"" were inside or outside the compound. To which I replied on > the possible sanity level of those inside and outside.] Was THAT your argument. Well, you didn't make it very well. You started from the questionable premise that the fire was necessarily an act of insanity, rather than an act of negligence or an accident. Recall, one survivor claims that the fire started when a tank knocked over a kerosene lamp. Kind of makes arguments regarding relative sanity somewhat moot, no? > >> According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off > >> began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh > >> had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound. > >> These were the ""perfect children"" resulting from the ""great seed"" of > >> his ""magnified horn"". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar > >> to the way Jim Jones has been described. > > > >Point noted. Have you submitted YOUR faith and sex life for BATF clearance? > >Better hurry; I believe the deadline was April 15. > > I paid my taxes. There was no reference to sex or religion on the form. ""Nice evasive maneuver, Mr. Chekov, but they're still on our tail."" Let me ask it more plainly. Which of the above complaints about David Koresh's religious or sexual proclivities justified an armed raid by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms? > >> >:Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set > >> >:by cult members. > >> So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same details, > >> will you believe them? > >Believe them? I won't even RECOGNIZE them. And neither will anyone else > >who doesn't know them personally. > Do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras? It's not entirely far-fetched. Nobody outside the compound would know EVERYBODY inside the compound. Don't forget, the BATF admits having agents inside the compound, in any case. > At this point, we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors. > Best wait til more light is shed upon them. Of course, this is no > good if you believe in eternal darkness. I'm simply being the devil's advocate. There's reasonable doubt by the boatload standing in the way of anybody totally swallowing the official government story on Waco. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... ";-1;0 "From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 19 I must correct the following in my previous posting: : If you are trying to be objective, you must also recognise that : : 1) the gospels are not independent sources, on the contrary, they : share much of the same material I should have been a bit more careful here - the gospels not only tell us about the same events, they usually use the same wordings. Textual analyses show that Matthew and Luke probably had a common source, which may have influenced Mark, too. Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. ";-1;0 "From: bshaw@spdc.ti.com (Bob Shaw) Subject: question on ""xon"" in X11R5 Article-I.D.: bobasun.bshaw.735532995 Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: bobasun Hi folks Say, I'm new to R5 and have one quick question. In using xon ( xon ) , I notice that it always comes up with a very small window . I'm pretty sure its the default font. My xterms all work normally. Is xon supposed to read your .Xresources for a font size ? xrdb -q appears to show the right stuff. I can use xon with arguments such as xterm -fn 10x20 etc and everything is correct. Of course you could always do a simple script to do this , but I have a feeling I'm missing something simple here. Comments / suggestions appreciated. Thanks in advance Bob bshaw@spdc.ti.com mm ";-1;0 "From: med50003@nusunix1.nus.sg (WANSAICHEONG KHIN-LIN) Subject: Re: MORBUS MENIERE - is there a real remedy? Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 21 It would be nice to think that individuals can somehow 'beat the system' and like a space explorer, boldly go where no man has gone before and return with a prize cure. Unfortunately, too often the prize is limited and the efficacy of the 'cure' questionable when applied to all sufferers. This applies to both medical researchers and non-medical individuals. Just because it appears in an obscure journal and may be of some use does not make the next cure-all. What about the dozens of individuals who have courageously participated in clinical trials? Did they have any guarentee of cures? Are they any less because they didn't trumpet their story all over the world? As a parting note, wasn't there some studies done on Gingko seeds for Meniere's? (To the original poster : what about trying for a trial of that? It's probably not a final answer but it certainly may alleviate some of the discomfort. And you'd be helping answer the question for future sufferers.) gervais ";-1;0 "From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 27 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.42.145.4 In article rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes: >Yes, I saw a 200 Turbo Quattro wagon on I-287 in NJ on Monday. I thought >Audi stopped selling wagons in the US after the 5000. This is exactly the >type of vehicle I would like to own. I bet its price is 4-5 times my >car budget. think again!! thanks to 60 minutes (tick tick tick), used 200 quattros are bargains.. '89s go for about $15K, '90s go for perhaps 1 or 2K more, the 20 valve 91's are quite a bit more because of an enormous hp and torque gain.. i think they go for about $23 to $25K if you can find one. i have seen quite a lot of '89-'90 200 quattros (not that many wagons though) at the dealer lot.. they use very high quality paint and the entire car is zinc galvanized, so it will never rust. in short, typically a 4 yr old 200 looks no more older than a 1 year old and the 5 bangers are bullet proof engines. 200K out of one is not rare, even for a turbo, which is watercooled for the 200s. then there are aftermarket chips that you can buy to bump up turbo boost... if you are into luxo-gizmos.. the cars are loaded with just about everything too.. the price of parts is a different story though... eliot ";10;1 "From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) Subject: Re: HELP_WITH_TRACKING_DEVICE Summary: underground and underwater wireless methods Keywords: Rogers, Tesla, Hertz, underground, underwater, wireless, radio Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: 4-L Laboratories Expires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 06:00:00 GMT Lines: 36 In article <00969FBA.E640FF10@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> mcdonald@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU writes: >[...] >There are a variety of water-proof housings I could use but the real meat >of the problem is the electronics...hence this posting. What kind of >transmission would be reliable underwater, in murky or even night-time >conditions? I'm not sure if sound is feasible given the distortion under- >water...obviously direction would have to be accurate but range could be >relatively short (I imagine 2 or 3 hundred yards would be more than enough) > >Jim McDonald Refer to patents by JAMES HARRIS ROGERS: 958,829; 1,220,005; 1,322,622; 1,349,103; 1,315,862; 1,349,104; 1,303,729; 1,303,730; 1,316,188 He details methods of underground and underwater wireless communications. For a review, refer to _Electrical_Experimenter_, March 1919 and June 1919. Rogers' methods were used extensively during the World War, and was unclassified after the war. Supposedly, the government rethought this soon after, and Rogers was convieniently forgotten. The bottom line is that all antennas that are grounded send HALF of their signal THRU the ground. The half that travels thru space is quickly dissapated (by the square of the distance), but that which travels thru the ground does not disapate at all. Furthermore, the published data showed that when noise drowned out regular reception, the underground antennas would recieve virtually noise-free. IF you find this hard to believe, then refer to the work of the man who INVENTED wireless: Tesla. Tesla confirmed that Rogers' methods were correct, while Hertzian wave theory was completely ""abberant"". ---- ET ""Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes."" ---- ";-1;0 "From: erc@plitvice.berkeley.edu (Eric Ng) Subject: Sega Genesis plus 9 sports games for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: plitvice.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California at Berkeley Distribution: usa Lines: 23 FOR SALE 1 Sega Genesis (including all cables, manuals, boxes) 1 controller 9 games, including all manuals and boxes: Sonic the Hedgehog Road Rash John Madden Football '92 N.H.L. Hockey Sportstalk Baseball Bulls vs. Lakers and the N.B.A. Playoffs John Madden Football '93 N.H.L.P.A. Hockey Super Monaco GP II All of the above for $300 (or best offer); price includes UPS COD shipping. Send e-mail to erc@zabriskie.berkeley.edu if interested. -eric -- eric ng erc@zabriskie.berkeley.edu ...!ucbvax!zabriskie!erc ";8;1 "From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) Subject: Re: Infield Fly Rule Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 16 One last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn't yet been addressed. I believe the rule also does *not* deal with this situation: If Infield Fly is declared and the ball is caught, runners can tag up and advance at their own risk, as on any fly ball. However, if the Infield Fly is *not* caught, at what point can a runner legally leave his base w/o fear of being doubled off for advancing too early? When the ball hits the ground? When a fielder first touches the ball after it hits the ground? Enlightenment would be appreciated. Jay ";-1;0 "From: calloway@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Frank Calloway) Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 slower using DOS 6 ???? Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO Lines: 3 Not on my system. Frank Calloway ";6;1 "From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) Subject: Re: Getting rid of screen wiggles? Organization: SDSU - LARC Lines: 42 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu In article <1qpj5t$itg@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, eabyrnes@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ed Byrnes) wrote: > > My monitor display has a bad case of the wigglies. I have a good ground. I > live in an old house and I have replaced much of the wiring. I have two > EMI filters on the computer, the monitor plugs into the computer. When > fluorescent lights are on upstairs, the display jiggles, when motors run > in the house, the display jiggles, when incandescent lights are on in the > kitchen the display jiggles. I could bring a separate line from the > breaker box, and use it only for the computer, would this do it? EMI > doesn't only travel the 110 volt line though. Should I shield the back of > the monitor? Ground a grid or plate? > Your expertise is appreciated. Thanks very much! Ed Byrnes Aaahh... a problem very near and dear to my heart. In our case, other monitors cause this problem - the deflection coil of other monitors to be specific. Have also seen a monitor backed up to a fuse panel exhibit this problem. This sounds like your problem since flourescent lites, motors, etc several 10s of feet away seem to me to be too far to cause it, but the juice running to them must pass nearby your monitor. Fusebox on other side of wall maybe? We started spec'ing Panasonic CT-1331Y video monitors (3 switchable input lines(vid & aud) S-VHS on one) <$400. This stopped the wavy interference effect on the computer monitor next to it. Now on to your problem. You need what is known as mu shielding (very common, in fact almost mandatory on electrostatic deflection type O'scopes). I talked to a EE prof. He said get a coffee can, cut both ends off, mount around deflection coil of interfering monitor. BE CAREFUL TO AVOID ALL HIGH VOLTAGE CIRCUITRY. ESPECIALLY THE THICKER HIGH VOLTAGE ANODE LEAD USUALLY COLORED RED. IF YOU KILL YOURSELF, DON'T BLAME/SUE ME!!! USE PLASTIC OR OTHER NON-CONDUCTING STAND-OFFS AND SUCH TO MOUNT CAN. Now, I would assume that what is good for keeping mag fields in is also good at keeping them out, so hopefully this'll work by mounting shield on monitor being interfered with as well. If not, start shielding those other sources. Jeff Babb babb@sciences.sdsu.edu babb@ucssun1.sdsu.edu Programmer, SDSU - LARC ";-1;0 "From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 31 In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war >against Israel. I wouldn't bet on it. Arab governments generally don't care much about the Palestineans and their struggle but find it useful for political purposes back home. They are happy to leave the Palestineans largely under Israeli control because that leaves the job of controlling them to the Israelis. The Israelis don't like this job any more than King Hussein of Jordan liked it -- and he managed to kill them off at the rate of thousands per month when they started an Intifada in Jordan. The governments of Syria, Lebanon and Egypt all feel similarly. However, proclaiming public support for the Palestinean war against Israel deflects criticism from deep problems at home and lends an air of legitimacy to even the most brutal Arab tyrants. Arab *PEOPLE* probably aren't much more sympathetic. Palestineans have shown a willingness to destabilize and plunder in Jordan, Lebanon and Kuwait and are viewed with suspicion elsewhere. You might still be right in sympathy to the war against Israel, but I suspect that many Arabs, far removed from the immediate border with Israel (e.g. in Kuwait or Morroco), couldn't care less. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. ";-1;0 "From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Symbiotics: Idiots-Antisemitism Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Lines: 27 In article <1483500355@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >From: Center for Policy Research > >Zionism and the Holocaust >-------------------------- by Haim Bresheeth > >The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history >of the Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without >anti-semitism is impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet >of anti-Semitism, namely that Jews cannot live with non- Jews. Wrong. Zionism *acknowledges* the fact that anti-Semites exist, and prevent Jews from living in peace. That does not mean we agree that Jews are all greedy, that Jews kill Christian Children, commited deicide, or anything else. We acknowledge that there are morons out there who do believe these things. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow ";-1;0 "From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: muslim tithe; sexism in Genesis 2 Lines: 33 According to mdbs@ms.uky.edu, muslims tithe 1/6 of their income. Perhaps there are some offshoots of Islam that impose this on their followers. But the standard tithe is 1/40 of one's net worth, once a year. The same writer also objects to the Bible for teaching that > ""woman was created after man, to be his helper"" etc. This is presumably a reference to Genesis 2. Suppose that that chapter had been written with the sexes reversed. We have God creating woman, and then saying, ""It is not good that woman should be alone. I will make a help meet for her."" Feminists would be outraged. The clear implication would be that God had started at the bottom and worked up, making first the plants, then the fish and birds, then the beasts, then woman, and finally His masterpiece, the Male Chauvinist Pig. The statement that woman is not capable of functioning by herself, that she needs a man to open doors for her, would have been seen as a particularly gratuitous insult. The fact that the creation of woman from the dust of the ground was given only briefly and in general, while the creation of the Man was given in six times the number of words, would have been cited as evidence of the author's estimate of the relative importance of the sexes. The verdict would have been unequivocal. ""No self-respecting woman can accept this book as a moral guide, or as anything but sexist trash!"" I suggest that Moses, fearing this reaction, altered his original draft and described the creation with Adam first and then Eve, so as to appease Miriam and other radical feminists of the day. For some reason, however, it did not work. Yours, James Kiefer ";17;1 "From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) Subject: Book Review Wanted Organization: Rice University Lines: 18 I'm interested if anyone out here can point me towards a review of the following book in any scholarly Christian journal, whether it be conservative or liberal, Protestant or Catholic. _The_Lost_Years_of_Jesus_ (documentary evidence for Jesus' 17 year journey to the East), by Elizabeth Clare Prophet. Supposedly this is a theory that was refuted in the past, and she has re-examined it. I thought this was just another novel book, but I saw it listed as a text for a class in religious studies here. Also, the endorsements seem to come from some credible sources, so I'm wondering if scholars have reviewed it (or anyone on the net, for that matter). -- Rob Butera | ECE Grad Student | ""Only sick music makes money today"" Rice University | Houston, TX 77054 | - Nietzsche, 1888 ";-1;0 "From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic? Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes: > From article <1qcq3f$r05@fido.asd.sgi.com>, by livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com > (Jon Livesey): > > If there is a Western ethic against infanticide, why > > are so many children dying all over the world? > > The majority of the world isn't ""Western"". Superficially a good answer, but it isn't that simple. An awful lot of the starvation and poverty in the world is directly caused by the economic policies of the Western countries, as well as by the diet of the typical Westerner. For instance, some third-world countries with terrible malnutrition problems export all the soya they can produce -- so that it can be fed to cattle in the US, to make tender juicy steaks and burgers. They have to do this to get money to pay the interest on the crippling bank loans we encouraged them to take out. Fund-raising for Ethiopia is a truly bizarre idea; instead, we ought to stop bleeding them for every penny they've got. Perhaps it's more accurate to say that there's a Western ethic against Western infanticide. All the evidence suggests that so long as the children are dying in the Third World, we couldn't give a shit. And that goes for the supposed ""Pro-Life"" movement, too. They could save far more lives by fighting against Third World debt than they will by fighting against abortion. Hell, if they're only interested in fetuses, they could save more of those by fighting for human rights in China. And besides, Suzanne's answer implies that non-Western countries lack this ethic against infanticide. Apart from China, with its policy of mandatory forced abortion in Tibet, I don't believe this to be the case. mathew ";-1;0 "From: joker@diku.dk (Morten Christian Holmgreen) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Lines: 23 catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone) writes: >In article goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: > Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a > high quality Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony > 1604S for example) and this is where the extra cost comes from. It > is also where the high bandwidth comes from, and the fantastic > image, and the large image size, etc, etc... >It's also where the two annoying lines across the screen (one a third >down, the other two thirds down) come from. Annoying??? Are you actually using one or are you just talking? ;-) I'm sitting in from of one right now and I must say I never notice them! Yes, of course I can see them if I look, but annoying? NO WAY!!! Christian -- M. Christian Holmgreen / joker@diku.dk / mochmch@uts.uni-c.dk M.Sc. student, University of Copenhagen, Dept. of Computer Science ""Human errors can only be avoided if one can avoid the use of humans"" ";-1;0 "From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 104 THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military arm of Hamas, an Islamic Palestinian group. Hamas figures significantly in the Middle East equation. In December, Israel deported more than 400 Palestinians to Lebanon in response to Hamas's kidnapping and execution of an Israeli soldier. A longer version appears in the May issue of Harper's Magazine, which obtained and translated the tape.) My name is Yasir Hammad al-Hassan Ali. I live in Nuseirat [a refugee camp in the Gaza Strip]. I was born in 1964. I finished high school, then attended Gaza Polytechnic. Later, I went to work for Islamic University in Gaza as a clerk. I'm married and I have two daughters. The Qassam Battalions are the only group in Palestine explicitly dedicated to jihad [holy war]. Our primary concern is Palestinians who collaborate with the enemy. Many young men and women have fallen prey to the cunning traps laid by the [Israeli] Security Services. Since our enemies are trying to obliterate our nation, cooperation with them is clearly a terrible crime. Our most important objective must be to put an end to the plague of collaboration. To do so, we abduct collaborators, intimidate and interrogate them in order to uncover other collaborators and expose the methods that the enemy uses to lure Palestinians into collaboration in the first place. In addition to that, naturally, we confront the problem of collaborators by executing them. We don't execute every collaborator. After all, about 70 percent of them are innocent victims, tricked or black-mailed into their misdeeds. The decision whether to execute a collaborator is based on the seriousness of his crimes. If, like many collaborators, he has been recruited as an agent of the Israeli Border Guard then it is imperative that he be executed at once. He's as dangerous as an Israeli soldier, so we treat him like an Israeli soldier. There's another group of collaborators who perform an even more loathsome role -- the ones who help the enemy trap young men and women in blackmail schemes that force them to become collaborators. I regard the ""isqat"" [the process by which a Palestinians is blackmailed into collaboration] of single person as greater crime than the killing of a demonstrator. If someone is guilty of causing repeated cases of isqat, than it is our religious duty to execute him. A third group of collaborators is responsible for the distribution of narcotics. They work on direct orders from the Security Services to distribute drugs as widely as possible. Their victims become addicted and soon find it unbearable to quit and impossible to afford more. They collaborate in order to get the drugs they crave. The dealers must also be executed. In the battalions, we have developed a very careful method of uncovering collaborators, We can't afford to abduct an innocent person, because once we seize a person his reputation is tarnished forever. We will abduct and interrogate a collaborator only after evidence of his guilt has been established -- never before. If after interrogation the collaborator is found guilty beyond any doubt, then he is executed. In many cases, we don't have to make our evidence against collaborators public, because everyone knows that they're guilty. But when the public isn't aware that a certain individual is a collaborator, and we accuse him, people are bound to ask for evidence. Many people will proclaim his innocence, so there must be irrefutable proof before he is executed. This proof is usually obtained in the form of a confession. At first, every collaborator denies his crimes. So we start off by showing the collaborator the testimony against him. We tell him that he still has a chance to serve his people, even in the last moment of his life, by confessing and giving us the information we need. We say that we know his repentance in sincere and that he has been a victim. That kind of talk is convincing. Most of them confess after that. Others hold out; in those cases, we apply pressure, both psychological and physical. Then the holdouts confess as well. Only one collaborator has ever been executed without an interrogation. In that case, the collaborator had been seen working for the Border Guard since before the intifada, and he himself confessed his involvement to a friend, who disclosed the information to us. In addition, three members of his network of collaborators told us that he had caused their isqat. With this much evidence, there was no need to interrogate him. But we are very careful to avoid wrongful executions. In every case, our principal is the same: the accused should be interrogated until he himself confesses his crimes. A few weeks ago, we sat down and complied a list of collaborators to decide whether there were any who could be executed without interrogation. An although we had hundreds of names, still, because of our fear of God and of hell, we could not mark any of these men, except for the one I just mentioned, for execution. When we execute a collaborator in public, we use a gun. But after we abduct and interrogate a collaborator, we can't shoot him -- to do so might give away our locations. That's why collaborators are strangled. Sometimes we ask the collaborator, ""What do you think? How should we execute you?"" One collaborator told us, ""Strangle me."" He hated the sight of blood. ----- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 ""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" ";-1;0 "From: gfeygin@unicorn.eecg.toronto.edu (Gennady Feygin) Subject: Kol Israel Broacasts Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Toronto Lines: 5 Does anyone have a schedule of Kol Israel broadcasts in different languages that could be posted or e-mailed to me. Your assistance would be greatly appreciated GF ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Muslims were one by one cruelly bayonetted to death by Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 93 In article <1993Apr15.132954.4396@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes: >How dare you presume that he even has a right to go around a newsgroup >with a desire to convince others of any external position he has. They are news because they are the exceptions. And the 'Islamic Holocaust' is much the topic of the day. The historical evidence proves that during the period of 1914 to 1920, the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion and national origin. Armenians perpetrated acts of sabotage, destroyed telephone cables, blew up bridges, blocked passes, set up ambushes, attacked security stations and small Turkish outposts behind the Ottoman Army lines on the one hand, and on the other ruthlessly attacked Turkish and Kurdish villages, slaughtering the Turkish population indiscriminately, women, children, old and young alike. Innocent Muslims were one by one cruelly bayonetted to death, or massacred with axes and swords, or else shut up in mosques or in schools and then burnt alive as can be seen below. Widespread Armenian massacres of innocent Muslims took place in regions of Van, Kars, Sivas, Erzurum, Bitlis, Erzincan, Mus, Diyarbakir and Maras. The Ottoman Army, while fighting to prevent the Russian invasion, also had to deal with Armenian genocide squads who cowardly hit from behind. The Armenian genocide of the Muslims spread to all parts of Eastern Anatolia. Starting from late 1914, Armenians committed widespread massacres and genocide in Eastern Anatolia, because the arena was left to the Armenians. Almost every Turkish town and village from Erzincan up to Azerbaidjan suffered large scale massacres and genocide by Armenians and the Turkish genocide has been documented by Armenian, Russian, American, British, Ottoman, German, Austrian and French journalists and officers who observed the first genocide of this century committed by the blood-thirsty Armenian genocide squads. The Ottoman Army, liberating Trabzon, Bayburt, Erzincan, Erzurum, Kars and other regions from the Russians, saw that the cities and their villages had been destroyed and burnt, people slaughtered, massacred. The massacres conducted by Armenians, which became a black stain for humanity, shocked and disgusted even the Russian, British, German, Austrian, French and American authorities. Almost every Ottoman document is related to Armenian massacres and cruelties. The inhuman treatment, cruelties, atrocities, genocide by Armenian genocide squads perpetrated against innocent Moslem Turkish and Kurdish people, are sufficiently reflected in historical documents. Even today over seventy-five years later, the terrifying screams of the victims of these cruelties can be heard. Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). ""Document No: 76,"" Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53. (To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section, Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie) 'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin, 'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul. ""I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun. They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and Alexander Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)...Russian officers tried to save the Turks and there were clashes between Russian officers and Armenian gangs. I am now in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. Almost the whole city is destroyed. The smell of the corpses still fills the air. Although there are speculations that Armenian gangs murdered Austrian and German prisoners as well, I could not get the supporting evidence in this regard, but there is proof of murdering of Turkish prisoners of war."" Dr. Stephan Eshnanie Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: donovan@bnr.ca (Marc Donovan) Subject: Re: I want use DeskJet on System7 Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh1ee Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa Distribution: comp Lines: 30 In article mori@volga.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (Tsuyoshi Mori) writes: >I used HP DeskJet with Orange Micros Grappler LS on System6.0.5. > >But now I update system 6.0.5 to System7 with Kanji-Talk 7.1, >then I can not print by my DeskJet. >Is the Grappler LS old ? >Can I use DeskJet on System7 ? >Please tell me how to use DeskJet on System7. >Thank you >-- >FROM JAPAN mori@volga.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp I currently use an HP DeskJet with Grappler LS ver 1.0, and it works on System7. Course, I only use the SWA Dutch and SWA Swiss fonts that came with it, due to the 4x size requirement to print to the HP. (ie: must have 40pnt definition to print a 10pnt font) When I upgraded, I talked to Orange Micro, and they state that ver 1.2 of Grappler LS definitely works with System7. However, the upgrade was US$40, so I passed. Hope this helps? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marc Donovan donovan@bnr.ca [Voice: (613) 765-2868 Fax: (613) 763-9250] ---- Disclaimer: I am the only one responsible for my opinions. ";-1;0 "From: James_Jim_Frazier@cup.portal.com Subject: 5.25"" MO sectors/track? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 8 On an ISO/ANSI-standard 5.25"" magneto-optical disc, how many sectors are there per track (or disc revolution), and how many tracks per disc? Thanks, Jim Frazier 73447.3113@compuserve.com ";-1;0 "From: bm967@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Kantrowitz) Subject: Re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu From: push@media.mit.edu (Pushpinder Singh) Subject: re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 03:17:45 GMT > When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done, > particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines > appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open > windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a > window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away > the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not > observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple > monitor with 256 colors is used. > > I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has > been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse. etc. Has anyone NOT had these problems in the given configurations? (that would help eliminate design flaw as the explanation) ";-1;0 "From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) Subject: Re: Adding VRAM to Quadra 800 ? Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA Lines: 13 In article wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes: > I want to go from 512K to 1M VRAM on my Quadra 800. How many 512K SIMMS > do I > need to buy? Is the current 512K soldered on the board or do I need to take > out the current VRAM before I add more? You need to add two 256K VRAM SIMMs; 512K VRAM SIMMs will not work in any of the Quadra or Centris machines. There is already 512K of VRAM soldered to the logic board. You add the two 256K SIMMs to this to give you a total of 1 MB. - Dale Adams ";-1;0 "From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley) Subject: Electronics Summary: here they are Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Distribution: usa Lines: 20 Panasonic KX-T3000H, Combo black cordless & speaker phone all in one. new- $160, now- $100 + shipping OBO. Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes. Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR. paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO. Radio Shack stereo amp. 2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume. Speakers not included. $20 plus shipping. If you are interested in either of the above mail me at radley@gibbs.out.unc.edu. _ _ // Major: Computer Science / cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes: >Various quotes deleted in the interest of saving a little bit of >bandwidth, but i will copy the Koran quote: >>>>""AND IT IS HE (GOD ALMIGHTY) WHO CREATED THE NIGHT AND THE >>>>DAY, AND THE SUN AND THE EARTH: ALL (THE CELETIAL BODIES) >>>>SWIM ALONG, EACH IN ITS ROUNDED COURSE."" (Holy Quran 21:33) >As it has been pointed out, this quote makes no claim about what >orbits what. The idea that something orbited something had been held >as true for many years before the Koran was written, so the fact that >it says something orbits something is hardly surprising insight. My >concern is with the word ""rounded"". >There are two interpretations of this word: >1. It means in a circle. This is wrong, although many believed it to >be true at the time the Koran was written. In other words, it is not >describing our neighborhood of the universe as it really exists, but >as it was thought to be at the time. This has implications which i >hope are obvious to everyone. >2. It means ""in a rounded shape"", which could include elipses (the >geometrical form which most nearly describes the orbits of the >planets). This is also not a great insight. Look at the shapes you >see in nature. Very few of them even approach a square or rectangle; >those are human-created shapes. Everything in nature is rounded to >some degree. Even the flat-earthers don't try to claim Earth is a >rectangle. Children who draw imaginary animals seldom give them >rectangular bodies. We seem to instinctively recognize that nature >produces rounded shapes; hence, the assumption that the orbits of the >planets would be round hardly takes divine inspiration. It is good to remember that every translation is to some extent an interpretation, so (as you point out below) one must really go back to the original Arabic. Regarding the verses relevant to nature, I prefer to use Dr. Maurice Bucaille's translations (in his book, ""The Bible, the Qur'an and Science"") for in general his translations are more literal. Maurice Bucaille translates the portion of the verse you are addressing as ""...Each one is travelling with an orbit in its own motion."" (Also note that ""the celestial bodies"" in the first translation quoted by you above is the translator's interpolation -- it is not existent in the original Arabic, which is why it is included in brackets.) >Perhaps someone who can read the original Arabic can eliminate one of >these interpretations; at any rate, neither one of them is exactly >impressive. You're right, what the verses _do_ contain isn't all that remarkable. However, Dr. Bucaille (a surgeon, that's how he's a ""Dr."") thinks it is significant that the above verse contains no geocentric ideas, even though geocentrism was all the rage up until the 17th century (?) or so. (And this goes for the rest of the Qur'an as well, which has about 750 verses or so regarding nature, I think I remember reading once.) Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ";-1;0 "From: tkevans@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Tim Evans) Subject: Re: McRae is (Re: Torre: The worst manager?) Reply-To: tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com Organization: DuPont Engineering Physics Laboratory X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 Lines: 15 scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes: >KC(?) news was doing a report on that. They said that McRae is >really a batting coach and not a manager. But for some reason >he took the job. Whatever the reason, the Royals need a new >manager now...while it is too late. >-- And have Jesse Jackson picket the stadium? -- Tim Evans | E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co. tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com | Experimental Station (302) 695-9353/7395 | P.O. Box 80357 EVANSTK AT A1 AT ESVAX | Wilmington, Delaware 19880-0357 ";14;1 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Article-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.141557.8864 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 77 In article rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: > Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter >of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on >NHL teams have escalated to the following stats: > >Canadians: 400 >Americans: 100 >Europeans: 100 > > Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top >25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun. > > Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick >of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the >Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and >""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, >and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other >teams is getting worse as well. > From where I come from in Canada, Borshevsky sounds more Canadian than Smith! -) Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba, that is). Canada is in no imminent danger of being overtaken as the primary supplier of players...Sweden, Finland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia are all relatively small countries, and cannot really produce players at a greater rate than they are already producing them, and the potential influx from the former Soviet Union is severely blunted because the system has been raided and is starved for finances and will take a decade or two, to recover and become a real threat, and the US will just maintain its slow increase. Canada should continue to supply 60% plus of the top hockey players in the world for the forseeable future. Besides we need the European hockey market if hockey is to take its rightful place besides soccer as the two predominant world sports...and since soccer is essentially boring, unlike hockey. > I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about ""Pavel Bure, the >Russian Rocket"" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see >the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, I'm not a >Canucks fan to begin with ;-). > > Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that >I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and >some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR >NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even >better hockey players. It's all hype. This ""European mystique"" is sickening, >but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue >to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league. > > With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly >only getting worse. > Canadians are under no threat...the European numbers will soon saturate, if they haven't already...and by the time Russia comes online again, the NHL should be a world league, and there will be many more teams to stock and many more jobs for Canadian hockey players. In the near team, the percentage of Canadians will mostly decline because of Americans, not because of Europeans. > I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures >and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. > > I just don't want them on mine. > Crawl into a hole and die... Gerald ";-1;0 "From: bmich@cs.utexas.edu (Brian Keith Michalk) Subject: Re: high speed rail is bad Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 16 Distribution: tx NNTP-Posting-Host: coltexo.cs.utexas.edu In article <1993Apr15.162802.20933@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> mcgoy@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu (David McGaughey) writes: > >The question, I think, then becomes: Do we, the general public, need the train? > >I certainly do not, nor will I ever, need this train in Lubbock, Texas. With >the inexpensive air travel provided between Dallas and Houston, I don't think >people in Dallas or Houston need it either. I totally agree. Really, the only people this is going to benefit, are those who live in the cities where the train stops. Who wants to drive to the train station from X (Lubbock for example)? It's probably farther to drive to the train station than it is to the nearest national airport. I really can't see spending 5.7 billion on a system that only three cities will benefit from. ";-1;0 "From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) Subject: Re: Quadra 900/950 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 26 hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: >jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes: >>b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) writes: >>>Quarda 900 is a popular misspelling of Quadra 900, which has a 25 MHz 040 >>>processor. The 950 has a 33 MHz 040, and some local buses on the >>>motherboard run faster. >>The video is different also. The 950 can run a 13"" and I believe a 16"" >>monitor in 16 bit color without a VRAM upgrade. > Actually, you could put as much VRAM into a Q900 as you want and you >still won't be able to get 16-bit color, on any monitor. It's not part >of the on-board video. The Q950, however, can use 16-bit video on >monitors up to 19"" with 2MB of VRAM. >-Hades Yes, but if you upgrade the VRAM in a 900 you get 24 bit color. So you really don't care. My point is that out the box the 950 has more video capability for the same size monitors. The 900 can do 24 bit with both 13"" and 16"", doesn't support 19"", and does 8 bit on 21"" monitors. ";0;1 "From: pcw@access.digex.com (Peter Wayner) Subject: The Old Key Registration Idea... Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Okay, let's suppose that the NSA/NIST/Mykotronix Registered Key system becomes standard and I'm able to buy such a system from my local radio shack. Every phone comes with a built in chip and the government has the key to every phone call. I go and buy a phone and dutifully register the key. What's to prevent me from swapping phones with a friend or buying a used phone at a garage sale? Whooa. The secret registered keys just became unsynchronized. When the government comes to listen in, they only receive gobbledly-gook because the secret key registered under my name isn't the right one. That leads me to conjecture that: 1) The system isn't that secure. There are just two master keys that work for all the phones in the country. The part about registering your keys is just bogus. or 2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks like this. Criminals will quickly figure this out and go to town. In either case, I think we need to look at this a bit deeper.""'jbl)mW:wxlD2 ";-1;0 "From: damien@b63519.student.cwru.edu (Damien Neil) Subject: Re: How hot should the cpu be? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 16 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: b63519.student.cwru.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] christopher kushmerick (kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov) wrote: : How hot should the CPU in a 486-33 DX machine be? : Currently it gets so hot that I can not hold a finger on it for more than : 0.5 s. I seem to recall that 486s run somewhere close to the boiling point of water. Anyone have an exact temperature? Anyway, putting a CPU fan/heat sink on it won't hurt and could help. Depends on how paranoid you are... -- Damien Neil dpn2@po.cwru.edu ""Until someone debugs reality, the best Case Western Reserve University I can do is a quick patch here and there."" CMPS/EEAP Linux -- the choice of a GNU generation. -Erik Green ";-1;0 "From: paladin@world.std.com (Thomas G Schlatter) Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: usa Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr24.062055.7123@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes: >> >> >>>BEGIN ----------------------- CUT HERE --------------- >>>begin 666 ntreal.bmp >>>M0DTV5P< #8$ H ( , %@"" ! @ >>>M $ ! @@P![( @ ""!A> #!_F #CD ,56# #D. !=>_D >>>M4PA: &4H@P""L,1 $U); &N+L0 ($!@ +4WA !,J.0 B/%H 9TJ3 $KKZP 0 >>>M,;, TD4I /ZGB0!)#UH (0A. ""6E@ I !@ 4B!I "" ! !BBZX #!E1 )BV >> >>Deleted a lot of stuff!!!!!!! >>How do you convert this to a bit map??? > >You're supposed to delete everything above the ""cut here"" mark, and >below the lower cut here mark, and uudecode it. but >*I was not able to: unexpected end of file encountered at the last line. > >could you please re-post it, or tell be what I'm doing wrong? Sounds like the original poster of the bitmap uuencoded the file on a DOS machine, and you tried to uudecode it on a Un*x machine, and your uudecode program balked at the carraige-returns. ";-1;0 "From: sforsblo@vipunen.hut.fi (Svante Forsblom) Subject: Re: Suhonen will NOT go to Jokerit Keywords: Suhonen Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 17 >In tvartiai@vipunen.hut.fi (Tommi Vartiainen) writes: >>According to the inside information, Alpo Suhonen won't be the next headcoach >>of Jokerit. It's pretty sure that Boris Majorov will continue, although owner >>of the team previously said that he will chance the coach. >>Tommi >Wrong information. They just announced that Suhonen has made a deal with >Jokerit. > >Tommi And Boris Majorov has made a 1+1 year deal with Tappara. Svante ";-1;0 "From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 15 Well i'm not sure about the story nad it did seem biased. What I disagree with is your statement that the U.S. Media is out to ruin Israels reputation. That is rediculous. The U.S. media is the most pro-israeli media in the world. Having lived in Europe I realize that incidences such as the one described in the letter have occured. The U.S. media as a whole seem to try to ignore them. The U.S. is subsidizing Israels existance and the Europeans are not (at least not to the same degree). So I think that might be a reason they report more clearly on the atrocities. What is a shame is that in Austria, daily reports of the inhuman acts commited by Israeli soldiers and the blessing received from the Government makes some of the Holocaust guilt go away. After all, look how the Jews are treating other races when they got power. It is unfortunate. ";-1;0 "From: 10748539@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHARLES CHOONG) Subject: 486/33 WIN3.1 HANG Lines: 12 Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University HELP, PROBLEM 486/33MHZ HANGS IN EXTENDED MODE TRYING TO ACCESS DRIVES A: OR B: , SOMETIMES IT WILL DO DIR , SOMETIMES WILL HANG ON ACCESS SOMETIMES WILL WHEN TYING A TEXT FILE. HARDWARE: AMERICAN MEGATREND MOTHERBOARD AMI BIOS 91 CONNER 85MB HARD DRIVE TRIDENT 1 MEG SVGA PLEASE HELP!!! ITS OK IN STANDARD MODE!!! ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: ""lds"" Rick's reply From: Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 159 Robert Weiss (psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) writes: #Rick Anderson replied to my letter with... # #ra> In article , #ra> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) says: #ra> (...) # Just briefly, on something that you mentioned in passing. You refer to # differing interpretations of ""create,"" and say that many Christians may # not agree. So what? That is really irrelevant. We do not base our faith # on how many people think one way or another, do we? The bottom line is # truth, regardless of popularity of opinions. It may be ""irrelevant"" to you and *your* personal beliefs (or should I say ""bias""?), but it is relevant to me and many others. You're right, ""the bottom line IS truth,"" independant from you or anyone else. Since you proclaim ""truths"" as a self-proclaimed appointee, may I ask you by what authority you do this? Because ""it says so in the Bible?"" --Does the Bible ""say so,"" or is it YOU, or someone else, who interprets whether a scripture or doctrine conforms to your particular liking or ""disapproval""? Excuse moi, but your line of ""truths"" haven't moved me one bit to persuade me that my beliefs are erroneous. Of all the ""preachers"" of ""truth"" on this net, you have struck me as a self-righteous member of the wrecking crew, with no positive message to me or any other Latter-day Saint... BTW, this entire discussion reminds me a lot of the things said by Jesus to the pharisees: ""ye hypocrite(s) . . . ye preach about me with your lips, but your hearts are far removed from me..."" # Also, I find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created # and eternally existent are equivalent, you say ""granted the Mormon # belief..."" You can't grant your conclusion and then expect the point to # have been addressed. In order to reply to the issue, you have to address # and answer the point that was raised, and not just jump to the # conclusion that you grant. Sophistry. Look who's talking: ""jumping to conclusions?"" You wouldn't do that yourself, right? All YOU address is your own convictions, regardless whether we come up with any Biblical scriptures which supports our points of view, because you reject such interpretations without any consideration whatsoever. # # The Bible states that Lucifer was created. The Bible states that Jesus # is the creator of all. The contradiction that we have is that the LDS # belief is that Jesus and Lucifer were the same. A beautiful example of disinformation and a deliberate misrepresentation of lds doctrine. The former KGB would have loved to employ you. Jesus and lucifer are not ""the same,"" silly, and you know it. (...) # The Mormon belief is that all are children of God. Literally. There is # nothing symbolic about it. This however, contradicts what the Bible # says. The Bible teaches that not everyone is a child of God: Correction: it may contradict would YOU think the Bible says. The Bible indeed does teach that not all are children of God in the sense that they ""belong to"" or follow God in His footsteps. Satan and his followers have rebelled against God, and are not ""children (=followers/redeemed) of God,"" but it doesn't mean that they were not once created by God, but chose to separate themselves from those who chose to follow God and His plan of salvation. # # The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the # kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked ""one""; # (Matthew 13:38) So? --This illustrates nicely what I just said: the children of the kingdom are those who have remained valiant in their testimony of Jesus (and have shown ""works of repentance, etc.), and the children of the wicked one are those who rebelled against God and the lamb. The issue of satan's spirit-origin (and of those who followed him) has not been addressed in this and other verses you copied from your Bible. You purposefully obscured the subject by swamping your ""right"" with non- related scriptures. (...lots of nice scriptures deleted (NOT Robert W. copyrighted) though...) #ra> > We are told that, ""And this is life eternal, that they might know #ra> > thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."" #ra> > (John 17:3). Life eternal is to know the only true God. Yet the #ra> > doctrines of the LDS that I have mentioned portray a vastly #ra> > different Jesus, a Jesus that cannot be reconciled with the Jesus of #ra> > the Bible. They are so far removed from each other that to proclaim Correction: ""my"" Jesus is indeed different than your Jesus, and CAN be reconciled with the Jesus in the Bible. --Not your interpretation of Him, I concur, but I honestly couldn't care less. #ra> > one as being true denies the other from being true. According to the #ra> > Bible, eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true God, and #ra> > not the construct of imagination. In this single posting of yours, I've seen more ""constructs of imagination"" than in all of the pro-lds mails combined I have read so far in this news group. First get your lds-facts straight before you dare preaching to us about ""the only true God,"" whom you interpret according to your own likes and dislikes, but whose image I cannot reconcile with what I know about Him myself. I guess your grandiose self-image does not allow for other faiths, believing in the divinity of Jesus Christ, but in a different way or fashion than your own. Not that it really matters, the mission and progress of the lds church will go on, boldly and nobly, and no mob or opponent can stop the work from progressing, until it has visited every continent, swept every clime, and sounded in every ear. # This is really a red herring. It doesn't address any issue raised, but # rather, it seeks to obfuscate. The fact that some groups try to read # something into the Bible, doesn't change what the Bible teaches. Sigh. ""What the Bible teaches""? Or: ""what the bible teaches according to Robert Weiss and co.?"" I respect the former, I reject the latter without the remotest feeling that I have rejected Jesus. On the contrary. And by the way, I do respect your interpretations of the Bible, I even grant you being a Christian (following your own image of Him), as much as I am a Christian (following my own image of Him in my heart). (...) # Most of the other replies have instead hop-scotched to the issue of # Bruce McConkie and whether his views were 'official doctrine.' I don't # think that it matters if McConkie's views were canon. That is not the # issue. Were McConkie's writings indicative of Mormon belief on this # subject is the real issue. The indication from Rick is that they may # certainly be. The issue is, of course, that you love to use anything to either mis- represent or ridicule the lds church. The issue of ""official doctrine"" is obviously very important. McConkie's views have been controversial (e.g. ""The Seven Deadly Heresies"" has made me a heretic! ;-) at best, or erroneous at worst (""blacks not to receive the priesthood in this dispensation""). I respect him as someone who has made his valuable contribution to the church, but I personally do NOT rely on his personal interpretations (his book ""Mormon Doctrine"" is oftentimes referred to as ""McConkie's Bible"" in mormon circles) on mormon doctrine. I rather look to official (doctrinal) sources, and... to Hugh Nibley's books! (The last comment is an lds-insider reference.) Summarizing: McConkie was a wise man who contributed undoubtedly far more to the kingdom of God than I have, but whose views are by no means dogma or accepted doctrine, some of it clearly belongs to personal interpretation and speculation. But having said this, I find McConkie (even in his most biased and speculative moments) far more thought-provoking than the trash coming from your proverbial pen. I'm somewhat appalled that I have allowed myself to sink as low as you in this posting... ============================= Robert Weiss psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu Casper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu UCS Computer Facilities ";19;1 "From: koberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) Subject: Re: What is AT BUS CLK Speed? Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 24 In article <12934.73.uupcb@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us> robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) writes: > >S >There is one param in the bios setup that says AT BUS CLK. I have >clock, which is beyond ISA specs, but may be ok if all of the cards can >run that fast. I would set it to 3 ( in fact I did ) and set it back if >anything acts weird ( e.g. you get unexplainable floppy drive errors, your >modem locks up, you have video problems, etc. ). If you overdrive the AT >bus, then that should be the first thing to check if you get an error on >your system. > >It is pretty safe to overdrive your AT bus, as long as your ISA cards >still work flawlessly. I suggest backing up your HD before playing with >it though. On my 486DX-50 (really 50, not DX2), my AT bus is set to CLK/3. At 16.67 MHz, I have no problems. Soundblaster Pro, Zoom 14.4 FXM, RLL controller, etc. All work fine. If I set it to 2 (25 MHz), I simply don't get past the POST routines. I doubt you could actually damage much by playing with it. Allen ";-1;0 "From: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org (Bob Billson) Subject: Re: subliminal message flashing on TV Organization: Color Computer 3: Tandy's 'game' machine Lines: 13 kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich""TheMan""Kennehan) says: >Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology >paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the >TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the Take a look over in alt.folklore.urban. There is a thread about subliminal messages on TV. The fact that subliminal messages don't work aside, an image can't be flashed on a TV screen fast enough to not be noticed. -- Bob Billson, KC2WZ | internet: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org $nail: 21 Bates Way, Westfield, NJ 07090 | uucp: ...!uunet!kc2wz!bob ""Friends don't let friends run DOS"" -- Microware ";-1;0 "From: jasons@atlastele.com (Jason Smith) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc. Lines: 169 In article kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes: = Jason Smith (jasons@atlastele.com) wrote: = = : [ The discussion begins: why does the universe exist at all? ] = = : One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate = : (at least to this layman's mind) there must be a causal event. No = : reasonable alternative exists. = = I would argue that causality is actually a property of spacetime; = causes precede their effects. And I must concede here. Cause *before* effect, implies time, time is part of spacetime. Hense, the argument would be valid. I could return and say that this does not infer the cause and effect relationship being *unique* to *this* spacetime, but I won't 8^), because the point is moot. Doesn't address why (which Petri Pikho addresses below). I also concede that I was doubly remiss, as I asserted ""No reasonable alternative exists"", an entirely subjective statement on my part (and one that could be invalidated, given time and further discovery by the scientist). I also understand that a proving a theory does not necessarily specify that ""this is how it happened"", but proposes a likely description of the phenomena in question. Am I mistaken with this understanding? = But if you claim that there must be = an answer to ""how"" did the universe (our spacetime) emerge from = ""nothing"", science has some good candidates for an answer. All of which require something we Christians readily admit to: ``Faith''. The fact that there are several candidates belies that *none* are conclusive. With out conclusive evidence, we are left with faith. It could even be argued that one of these hypotheses may one day be proven (as best as a non-repeatable event can be ""proven""). But I ask, what holds someone *today* to the belief that any or all of them are correct, except by faith? [ a couple of paragraphs deleted. Summary: we ask ""Why does the universe exist"" ] = I think this question should actually be split into two parts, namely = = 1) Why is there existence? Why anything exists? = = and = = 2) How did the universe emerge from nothing? = = It is clear science has nothing to say about the first question. However, = is it a meaningful question, after all? = = I would say it isn't. Consider the following: Apparently it *is* for many persons. Hence, we *have* religions. = The question ""why anything exists"" can be countered by = demanding answer to a question ""why there is nothing in nothingness, = or in non-existence"". Actually, both questions turn out to be = devoid of meaning. Things that exist do, and things that don't exist = don't exist. Tautology at its best. Carefully examine the original question, and then the ""counter-question"". The first asks ""Why"", while the second is a request for definition. It doesn't address why something does or does not exist, but asks to define the lack of existence. The second question is unanswerable indeed, for how do we identify something as ""nothing"" (aren't they mutually exclusive terms)?. How do we identify a state of non-existence (again, this is nearing the limits of this simple layman's ability to comprehend, and I would appreciate an explanation). I might add, the worldview of ""Things that exist do, and things that don't...don't"" is as grounded in the realm of the non-falsifiable, as does the theist's belief in God. It is based on the assumption that there is *not* a reason for being, something as ultimately (un)supportable as the position of there being a reason. Its very foundation exists in the same soil as that of one who claims there *is* a reason. We come to this. Either ""I am, therefore I am."", or ""I am for a reason."" If the former is a satisfactory answer, then you are done, for you are satisfied, and need not a doctor. If the latter, your search is just beginning. = I seriously doubt God could have an answer to this question. Time will tell. 8^) = = Some Christians I have talked to have said that actually, God is = Himself the existence. However, I see several problems with this = answer. First, it inevitably leads to the conclusion that God is = actually _all_ existence, good and evil, devils and angels, us and = them. This is pantheism, not Christianity. Agreed. It would lead me to question their definition of Christianity as well. = Another answer is that God is the _source_ of all existence. = This sounds much better, but I am tempted to ask: Does God = Himself exist, then? If God is the source of His own existence, = it can only mean that He has, in terms of human time, always = existed. But this is not the same as the source of all existence. This does not preclude His existence. It only seeks to identify His *qualities* (implying He exists to *have* qualities, BTW). = The best answer I have heard is that human reasoning is incapable = of understanding such questions. Being an atheist myself, I do not = accept such answers, since I do not have any other methods. Like the theist, we come to a statement of faith, for this position assumes that the evidence at hand is conclusive. Note, I am not arguing against scientific endeavor, for science is useful for understanding the universe in which we exist. But I differ from the atheist in a matter of perspective. I seek to understand what exists to understand and appreciate the art of the Creator. I also have discovered science is an inadequate tool to answer ""why"". It appears that M. Pihko agrees (as we shall see). But because a tool is inadequate to answer a question does not preclude the question. Asserting that 'why' is an invalid question does not provide an answer. = : As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a ""why"". That isn't = : true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural). = = This is not true. Science is a collection of models telling us ""how"", = not why, something happens. I cannot see any good reason why the ""why"" = questions would be bound only to natural things, assuming that the = supernatural domain exists. If supernatural beings exist, it is = as appropriate to ask why they do so as it is to ask why we exist. My apologies. I was using why as ""why did this come to be"". Why did pre-existence become existence. Why did pre-spacetime become spacetime. But we come to the admission that science fails to answer ""Why?"". Because it can't be answered in the realm of modern science, does that make the question invalid? = : I don't believe *any* = : technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite = : having all of the parts available. Just my opinion. = = This opinion is also called vitalism; namely, that living systems are = somehow _fundamentally_ different from inanimate systems. Do Christians = in general adopt this position? What would happen when scientists announce = they have created primitive life (say, small bacteria) in a lab? I suppose we would do the same thing as when Galileo or Capernicus was *vindicated* (before someone starts jumping up and down screaming ""Inquisition!"", note I said *vindicated*. I certainly hope we've gotten beyond the ""shooting the messenger"" stage). M. Pihko does present a good point though. We may need to ask ""What do I as an individual Christian base my faith on?"" Will it be shaken by the production of evidence that shatters our ""sacred cows"" or will we seek to understand if a new discovery truly disagrees with what God *said* (and continues to say) in his Word? ""Why do I ask why?"" (apologies to Budweiser and company 8^]). Jason. -- Jason D. Smith | jasons@atlastele.com | I'm not young enough to know everything. 1x1 | ";-1;0 "From: hong@remus.rutgers.edu (Hyunki Hong) Subject: VW Passat: advice sought Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 8 I am currently in the car market and would like opinions on a VW Passat GLX. How does it compare to a Toyota Camry? I thought the car looked very solid, stable and European. Only disappointment so far is that that it doesn't offer an airbao my next question is, why isn't VW offering automobiles with airbags? Should I pay the extra three thousand for a BMW 318 is even though it is smaller and less powerful than than the Passat? ";10;1 "From: lmann@jjmhome.UUCP (Laurie Mann) Subject: Clothing (Was Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive...]) Lines: 41 In article <1pima2INN180@gap.caltech.edu>, wen-king@cs.caltech.edu (Wen-King Su) writes: > This has me thinking. Is there a biological reason why women can't put > their keys in their pants pockets like men do? I have two pockets on the > back of each of my pants. I put my keys in one and wallent in another. > Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely. > Everything is that much simpler for me. Why can't women do the same? > Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and > a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents? Oh PULLEEZE! It's not biology at all, it's clothing design. Women's clothing is generally designed to be as non-functional as possible. It's only been in the last five years or so that you could buy women's pants with pockets deep enough to carry anything in. Previously, deep pockets were virtually unknown in women's clothing. Skirts generally have better pockets now, too. Dresses, espcially fancy dresses, are still pretty hopeless. I often hand my driver's license over to my husband if we're dressed up to go out somewhere, so I don't have to be encumbered by a purse. If women consistently bought functional clothing, and boycotted the manufacturers who refuse to make functional women's clothing, I think manufacturers would tend to bow to market pressures. There's an interesting chapter in Susan Faludi's Backlash that described what happened the LAST time clothing manufacturers ignored the need for functional women's clothing. The manufactuing industry lost millions. From a woman who would rather buy men's clothing WITH decent pockets and long legs and high waists than women's clothing without.... -- ******** lmann@jjmhome.uucp (Internet) Laurie.Mann (GEnie) ********* ** Claiming that sex education leads to irresponsible sex is like ** ***** claiming that driver education leads to car accidents. ***** ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 19 In article yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes: >>Why do you think he would be called a quack? The quacks don't do cultures. >>They poo-poo doing more lab tests: ""this is Lyme, believe me, I've > >Are you arguing that the Lyme lab test is accurate? If you culture out the spirochete, it is virtually 100% certain the patient has Lyme. I suppose you could have contamination in an exceptionally sloppy lab, but normally not. There are no false positives. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";4;1 "From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750) Organization: Mindcraft, Inc. Lines: 21 In article cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes: >Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the >the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one? >(I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one) That's a twin-cam, right? There's a steel guard right next to the sprocket to keep a broken chain from punching a hole in the engine cases, and it's needed. There's probably not enough room to fit a bigger sprocket. I'd be inclined to take two teeth off the rear for a 5% ratio change rather than adding one to the front for about 7%. If you raise the overall gear ratio too much you'll impair the bike's rideability, because the gears will be far enough apart that there will be only one gear that provides adequate response at any given speed. Honda 750s don't have the widest of power bands. -- Chuck Karish karish@mindcraft.com (415) 323-9000 x117 karish@pangea.stanford.edu ";7;1 "From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) Subject: * What's the difference between a Mac Portable and Powerbook 100? Distribution: usa Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J. Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu I've been looking into getting a portable Mac to do some work and I've had my eye on the PB 100. Lately, I've been seeing people with the old portables, and they're selling for $300 LESS that the PB 100s. What I want to know is: what are the differences between them? All I know is that the Portable is heavier, but the PB100 doesn't have an internal drive. Here's what I NEED to know: Does the portable support Appletalk/network connections? What's the CPU inside a Portable? (68000?) DOES THE PORTABLE SUPPORT SYSTEM 7????????? What's the maximum memory capacity of the Portable? Can you still get RAM (meaning: does it use special SIMMS?) What kind of internal HD does it use? Does the Portable have a better screen? THANX in advance. ===============================Mike Gaines============================== = WHAT is your name? Captain Jean-Luc Picard = = WHAT is your quest? I seek the Holy Grail = = WHAT is the top velocity of a Bird of Prey? Romulan or Klingon? = = I....I don't know...AAAHHHH!!!! = =============================meg5184@hertz.njit.edu===================== Graphix@AOL.com ";-1;0 "From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) Subject: Re: OCD Summary: Here's the highlights from the DSM-IIIR Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: DWOVAX In article , sharynk@Hawaii.Edu () writes... >I recently heard of a mental disorder called Obsessive Compulsive >Disorder. What is it? What causes it? Could it be caused by a >nervous breakdown? > Obesssive Compulsive Disorder (not to be confused with Obsessive Compulsive _Personality_ Disorder !) is an acute anxiety disorder characterized by either obsessions (persistent intrusive thoughts that cause anxiety when not entertained), or compulsions (repetitive, ritualistic actions that similarly cause intense psychological discomfort when resisted). OCD is often associated with certain forms of depression. Examples of obsessive thoughts are repeated impulses to kill a loved one (though not accompanied by anger), or a religious person having recurrent blasphemous thoughts. Generally, the individual attempts to ignore or suppress the intrusive thoughts by engaging in other activities. The individual realizes that the thoughts originate from the own mind, rather than being from an external source. Examples of compulsive actions are constant repetitive hand washing, or other activity that is not realistically related to alleviating a source of the anxiety. In OCD, the obsessions or compulsions are highly distressing to the individual, take an hour or more per day, and significantly impair their daily routine and social relationships. Treatments include psychotherapy, behavioral methods, and sometimes certain anti-depressants which have recently been found effective in alleviating obsessions and compulsions. The standard diagnostic code for OCD, if you want to look it up in the DSM-III manual of psychiatric diagnosis is 300.30 . kind regards, todd +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Todd I. Stark stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com | | Digital Equipment Corporation (215) 354-1273 | | Philadelphia, Pa. USA | | ""(A word is) the skin of a living thought"" Olliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";4;1 "From: klein@math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (John R. Klein) Subject: Re: What happens if you completely flatten your PB's battery? Nntp-Posting-Host: math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Rechenzentrum Lines: 32 In article swiers@chaos.aqeng.cdc.com (Aaron Swiers) writes: > schuyler@netcom.com (Gabriel M. Schuyler) writes: > >stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger) writes: > >>Can running a PowerBook's battery completely flat have any > >>detrimental side effects (other than the PB not going :) I ask, > > > >Only two things I can think of. > >1. Although NiCad (145,145,160,165c,170,180) batteries should be completely > > discharged about once a month, LeadAcid batteries (100) shouldn't ever be > > completely discharged (well, maybe ONCE in a while is OKAY). > > > This is a very common mis-conception dealing with Ni-cad batteries. It is > a good idea to completely discharge a ni-cad CELL periodically. It is > NOT a good idea to completely discharge a ni-cad BATTERY. The difference > being that a cell is only one cell (nicad puts out 1.2 volts) like a > rechargeable AAA, AA, C, or D. A battery is defined as more than one > cell (9 volt, or 7.2 for nicad equivalent). Due to differences in the > individual cells of a battery, complete discharge can actually harm > a nicad battery more than help it overcome the ""memory effect"". The > most common problem is that over time an individual cell can develop > internal shorts, which will weaken other cells that are connected to > it, thus reducing the lifespan of your battery pack. > etc.... Okay, naive question: How does one discharge a cell without discharging the entire battery? ";-1;0 "From: ergo@wam.umd.edu (Laurice) Subject: Brand New Software Packages for Sale Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: um Lines: 6 Looking for people to buy brand new software packages including Microsoft Windows, Harvard Graphics, Pagemaker, Paradox, Lotus, etc. at 20-25% off list price. E-mail IMMEDIATELY to ""ergo@wam.umd.edu"" with name, phone #, email address, and software names. ";-1;0 "From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) Subject: Re: Building a UV flashlight Organization: RAND Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: ives.rand.org In article jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes: >One other thing: a friend of mine mentioned something about near-UV >light being cheaper to get at than actual UV light. Does anyone >know what he was referring to? I don't want to get into a semantic argument, but contrary to some other postings ""near UV light"" /is/ ""actual UV light."" The ""near"" means that it is close to the visible spectrum (i.e. of relatively long wavelength), not that it is ""nearly UV."" (I'm sure you can figure out now just what ""far UV"" is.) Regular incandenscent flashlight bulbs emit tiny amounts of UV in the near end of the spectrum, such that a filter can be used to remove the visible light and thus create a weak UV source. Stronger sources are going to require gas (probably mercury vapor) discharge tubes (such as fluorescent tubes with UV phosphor). Be careful, though; strong UV sources can cause physiological damage, especially to the eyes. The shorter wavelengths are the most dangerous. It wouldn't project a beam like a flashlight, but replacing the tubes in a portable fluorescent lantern with UV tubes would be a relatively cheap way to create a portable source. It would be bright enough to be useful, but not dangerously so. -Ed Hall edhall@rand.org ";-1;0 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: The Manitoban Candidate Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 32 smith@phoneme.harvard.edu (Steven Smith) writes: >bross@sandbanks.cosc.brocku.ca (Brian Ross) writes: > >> In the world of the future, Bill Clinton will appoint Canadians to >> govern all American institutions (starting with the American health >> care system). We will be benevolent Canadian dictators. > >With yet another tax being floated by the Clinton administration to >pay for new ``free'' social programs, I've really begun to suspect >that the Canadians, long resentful of their place in the American >shadow, brainwashed an American draft dodger who fled to Canada some >time between 1966 and 1968, tutored him in the ways of Canadian >socialism, awarded him with smokeless marijuana cigarettes when he got >the correct answers, then returned him to the states (under the >control of the domineering wife assigned to his case) to attain high >public office and destroy the evil individualistic and free market >forces in America, thus shaping America in the Canadian image. And not only that, made a second clone from the same tissue sample after that of said domineering wife, to run at the helm of the more-pro-business party under guise of more free trade ... and she did inhale, many times, to boot ... (-; (-; (-; gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";-1;0 "From: steve@smartstar.com Subject: Motif Server for ASCII terminals Organization: SmartStar Corporation / Signal Technology Lines: 2 Nntp-Posting-Host: louie Does anyone know of an X server for character cell terminals? Doesn't have to be anything fancy, as long is it works. ";-1;0 "From: samuell@cis.uab.edu ('s) Subject: WINHELP.EXE virus? Organization: CIS, Univ of Alabama at Birmingham Lines: 15 Is anyone familiar with a virus that infects the WINHELP.EXE file? I have recently noticed some unusual system behavior and ran Norton AntiVirus for WINDOWS. It indicated a possible unknown virus in the WINHELP.EXE file in both the MWINDOWS and WINOS2 directories. Neither file changed since I installed my OS/2 system in January as far as I know. Any information about this possible virus and suggestions on remedies would be greatly appreciated. Bobb Samuell samuell@cis.uab.edu ";-1;0 "Subject: Quotation? Lowest bidder... From: bioccnt@otago.ac.nz Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand Nntp-Posting-Host: thorin.otago.ac.nz Lines: 12 Can someone please remind me who said a well known quotation? He was sitting atop a rocket awaiting liftoff and afterwards, in answer to the question what he had been thinking about, said (approximately) ""half a million components, each has to work perfectly, each supplied by the lowest bidder....."" Attribution and correction of the quote would be much appreciated. Clive Trotman ";-1;0 "From: mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) Subject: Re: Chryslers Compact LH Sedans? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 33 cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc) writes: >shoppa@almach.caltech.edu (TIM SHOPPA) writes: >>I thought that the V-10 was originally designed for a truck (not necessarily >>a pickup!) and then just sort of dropped into the Viper's frame because >>it fit and was available. A friend of mine and I saw (and heard) a Viper, >>and my friend's first response was that it sounded like a truck! It sounded >>fine to me, but then again, I don't like the whiny noise that most modern >>sports car engines make. BTW, the Viper we saw was moving at about 10mph, >>just like all of the other cars on the 10 freeway heading east out of LA >>on a Friday afternoon. Looked really nice, though. > Actually, I was under the impression that the V-10 in the Viper was >NOT the V-10 that Dodge was developing for its new Kenworths. I have always >thought it was the exhaust system and not the engine that produced the noise >of a car...? Well, yes, the exhaust is where the majority of the noise comes out, but the basics (tone, firing cadence, etc.) are determined by the engine configuration. In the case of the Viper, yes, we are discussing a HUGE multicylinder 90-deg. engine, which will sound somewhat like a truck. And my understanding, btw, is that that V-10 engine was designed originally with the intention of being ad- aptible for either the trucks or the Viper. And from what I've heard (no first hand knowledge :-( ) it's doing a pretty good job at both. And the best exhaust sound in the world is now and will always be a 60-degree DOHC Colombo-designed V-12. Period. Michael T. Chaffee mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu <----Email mchaffee@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu <----NeXTMail .sig under construction. <----Excuse ";10;1 "From: kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla) Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu Lines: 16 In <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: >Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? >Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently >delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered >if anyone else had seen this. Sporadically, yes. It seems to flicker, or change shape into snow briefly. Not enough to impair functionality, just call attention to Diamond's professional sloppiness. Rob -- Rob kudla@acm.rpi.edu Keywords - Oldfield Jane's Leather Yes Win3.1 Phish light blue right Bondage r.e.m. DTP Steely Dan DS9 FNM OWL Genesis In the spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control..... ";-1;0 "From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???! Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr14.200933.15362@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette) writes: >In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: >>ps. I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and >>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase. > >Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also. Squeaky BMW riders. -- Ray Shea ""they wound like a very effective method."" UniSQL, Inc. --Leah unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu some days i miss d. boon real bad. DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT ";7;1 "From: steerr@h01.UUCP (R. William Steer) Subject: X-server for NT? Organization: The Internet Lines: 8 To: expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert@tron.bwi Has anybody generated an X server for Windows NT? If so, are you willing to share your config file and other tricks necessary to make it work? Thanks for any information. Bill Steer Westinghouse (412)374-6367 ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Bates Method for Myopia From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C. Keywords: Bates method Summary: Proven a hoax long ago Lines: 15 Dr. willian Horatio Bates born 1860 and graduated from med school 1885. Medical career hampered by spells of total amnesia. Published in 1920, his great work ""The Cure of Imperfect Eyesight by Treatment With- out Glasses"", He made claims about how the eye actually works that are simply NOT TRUE. Aldous Huxley was one of the more ""high profile"" beleivers in his system. Mr. Huxley while giving a lecture on Bates system forgot the lecture that he was supposedely reading and had to put the paper right up to his eyes and then resorted to a magnifying glass from his pocket. book have been written debunking this technique, however they remain less read than the original fraud. cheers jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross) The Old Frog's Almanac (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group) (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) Vancouver Island, British Columbia Waffle XENIX 1.64 ";-1;0 "From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology Distribution: usa Lines: 37 In article <34544@oasys.dt.navy.mil> glouie@oasys.dt.navy.mil (George Louie) writes: >In rec.autos, nancy@hayduke (Nancy Feagans) writes: >>Ashtrays and cigarette lighters. These should be an *option*. > >Why make it an option. You can use the ashtray to store coins and other >small things which come in handy. Use the cigarette lighter as an electrical >outlet for all types of handy gadgets (CD players, vacuum cleaners, >flashlights, etc.) I don't want to pay extra for these things and if >you don't use them, they don't hurt you. I use the ashtray to keep change and other items in. I converted the cigarette lighter into a volume control knob for my in trunk subwoofer! > > >George >>-- . / Larry __/ _______/_ keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov / \ _____ __ _____ \------- === ----------- / ____/ / / /__ __/ \ / ___ / / ___ / / / / ____ | | / \/ /__ / | / /__ __/ /__ / \ / /___ \_______/ /_____/ /______/ ====OO \ / \ / - 1990 2.0 16v - ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! -------------------- The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldn't understand anyway! ------------------------------------------------------------ ";10;1 "From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: Sorcerer's Apprentice Cleaning Services In-Reply-To: strnlght@netcom.com's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 04:41:19 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 26 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable one: Make it voluntary. That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. That's the disturbing part - use of other products IS voluntary, for now, and the press releases talk about the White House's unwillingness to decide that citizens have a right to good commercial crypto gear, and about how commercial alternatives will be permitted as long as they provide key escrow services. That's a clear implication that they're considering banning alternatives. Additionally, use of real alternatives ISN'T totally legal - you're not allowed to export really good crypto equipment except to the government's friends (e.g. the Australian government) you can only export even BAD crypto equipment with their permission, and the regulators who control the cellular telephone companies make sure there are only two competitors, so Joe's Garage Cellular can't start offering a secure service. -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 ";-1;0 "From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 13 In <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes: >ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly >comment on its handling . The V-max goes in a strait line like shit shrough a goose. In the corners, I'd rather ride a Honda 305 Dream. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > ";-1;0 "From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 87 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr16.162447.26289@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes: > In article <1qicep$obf@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: > >In article <1993Apr14.232806.18970@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes: re: is ""John Q. Public with a gun"" protected? > >> It's worth noting that US vs. Miller sustained Miller's conviction > >> of possession of an illegal firearm, noting that a sawed-off shotgun > >> was not a proper militia weapon. > >No, they noted that no one had CLAIMED that it was a proper militia > >weapon (despite having been used in at least two wars). This was true, > >since neither Miller nor his lawyer appeared before the Court. > Did they or did they not sustain Miller's conviction? I don't have the > text of the case handy. Miller was convicted of owning a sawed-off shotgun and not paying the NFA '34 tax. Snatches of the court's decision: The Second Amendment was intended to ""assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such a force [the militia]... It must be interpreted and applied with that end in view."" The militia includes ""all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense."" However, regarding sawed-off shotguns, ""certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense."" ""Judicial notice"" is the term of art here -- it meant that no such evidence had been formally presented. This is different from claiming that they had ruled that it wasn't. > Yes, shotguns had been used in WWI, the Spanish-American War, and the > US Civil War. That was not in question. The possession of a sawed-off > shotgun was, i.e., a weapon altered to improve concealibility. I'm not talking about plain shotguns in war -- I'm talking about short- barrelled (""sawed-off"") shotguns in war. Compare Revolutionary War blunderbusses; luparas in the Spanish-American War; and trench-cleaners in WW I. They were also put to good use by US soldiers in WW II, not to mention being invaluable to ""tunnel rats"" in Vietnam, but, of course, ""Miller"" took place in 1939. > >> Therefore, US vs. Miller supports limited government regulation of > >> firearms. > > > >Don't go arguing down this road unless you are willing to abide by > >the consequences that you find at the end of it -- mainly, that the > >law-abiding common man has a right to own any weapon that has a militia > >purpose, from handguns to sawed-off shotguns and fully automatic weapons. > >That, in fact, is what this decision says. > > You are free to produce evidence that I'm not willing to abide with > all the implications of this. Here is my quandary: you seem to be arguing that certain types of guns fall outside the scope of the Second. This isn't a useful argument unless you believe that some significant gun or class of gun belongs in that class. I think we both agree that zip guns probably aren't protected. Maybe we also both agree that all the weapons that random state governments have been banning or trying to ban because they have ""no sporting purpose"" and ""no provate citizen would ever need these guns"" DO fall under the protection of the Second. So, given that damn near any gun of any practical utility is or has at some time been used by the military, even if only for marksmanship training purposes, I need to understand why you are intent on pressing this point, arguing that that SOMETHING is not protected by the Second. > Just because I don't whole-heartedly endorse the NRA position does not > mean that I oppose the RKBA. This attitude is what makes the NRA > unpopular. Often, what makes someone unpopular is what other people say about him. How much did any of us fear or abhor the Branch Davidians six months ago? How many of us feared or abhorred Saddam Hussein five years ago? -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... ";-1;0 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Level 5? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 18 In article <1raejd$bf4@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >what ever happened to the hypothesis that the shuttle flight software >was a major factor in the loss of 51-L. to wit, that during the >wind shear event, the Flight control software indicated a series >of very violent engine movements that shocked and set upa harmonic >resonance leading to an overstress of the struts. This sounds like another of Ali AbuTaha's 57 different ""real causes"" of the Challenger accident. As far as I know, there has never been the slightest shred of evidence for a ""harmonic resonance"" having occurred. The windshear-induced maneuvering probably *did* contribute to opening up the leak path in the SRB joint again -- it seems to have sealed itself after the puffs of smoke during liftoff -- but the existing explanation of this and related events seems to account for the evidence adequately. -- SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";-1;0 "From: mgregory@flash.pax.tpa.com.au (Martin John Gregory) Subject: HELP: MC146818A Real Time Clock Standby Mode Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide) Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: flash.pax.tpa.com.au I am having trouble obtaining the specified standby current drain from a MC146818A Real Time Clock. Has anyone out there had some experience in doing this? The specs call for a few sequences to be met before standby mode is activated, and are a bit hard to decipher on that, but I thought that I had it worked out. However, with a 32kHz crystal the lowest current drain I can acheive at 3.7V Vcc is 150uA. This is three times the specified MAXIMUM under the conditions I am attempting to create. I have done the following things: 1) Made sure that RESET/ is asserted for Trlh after powerup, and AS is low during this time. 2) Made sure that there is a cycle on AS after the negation of RD/ or WR/ during which STBY/ was asserted. What am I doing wrong? Thanks very much, Martin. ";-1;0 "From: joshc@csa.bu.edu (Josh Carroll) Subject: Racet Optical Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 13 Originator: joshc@csa I've got a Racet 5.25"" MO Drive with a Ricoh RO-5030E mechanism with the new ROMs... The thing is, I have a new TOSOH Optical Disk 512/bytes per sector cart for the thing that refuses to mount or be formatted... all the carts that I have for the drive that work are Racet Certified Media 512k/sector carts... All I can think of is that this TOSOH cart uses some kind of incompatible low level format... anyone know what software will allow this to be formatted on this drive? or a new DIP setting for the mechanism? I've tried just about every combination of drivers and custom formatting programs I can find with no luck... any ideas? joshc@csa.bu.edu (if you have a good idea, please e-mail it to this address if possible, I can't check this newsgroup constantly, thanks) ";-1;0 "From: C558172@mizzou1.missouri.edu Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? Organization: University of Missouri X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr14.222601.21160@cabell.vcu.edu> csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes: > > >After reading my local paper today, I found out that the Phillies >started the 1964 season at 10-2. I am not as old as 1964, but I've >heard many talk about the serious choke job the Phillies did that >season. They were ahead of the Cardinals by 15 games that season in >mid-August. They managed to lose a bunch from then on and the >Cardinals took the division. 15!!! games ahead and lost it.... I >hope this season is MUCH different. > I don't. --Shannon ""Cardinals fan"" Kohl ";-1;0 "From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Potvin's new goalie mask Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 38 Stephen Legge (SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca) writes: >I was wtahcing RIGHT GUARD HOCKEY WEEK on TSN yesterday and they had >a feature on this guy that does a lot (most?) of the masks for NHL >goalies. They talked about how they are made, what they are made of, >and the designs that are put on them, etc. Actually, this part was really interesting. It turns out that the mask is custom-fit to the goalie's face. The goalie puts his/her face through a piece of wood (or was it plastic?) with a hole in it that allows only the face and forehead to show. Hair is covered by a cap, eyes are covered by a plastic wrap-type material, and vaseline is put on the goaltender's face. Then, a plaster is spread on their cheeks, forehead, and chin which takes about 12 minutes to dry sufficiently. When it dries, it is effectively a mold of the goalie's face. This is used as the basis of the mask (the rest involves padding the inside, hardening the exterior, fitting the cage, etc. etc. John Blue of the Bruins actually demonstrated the procedure on the show. >He exhibited a couple masks he is currently working on, namely, a >new mask for Andy Moog which is a basic re-working of his current >mask with the bear on it, and new mask for Bob Essensa which was >*really* cool -- the Jets logo was on the chin, and there were two >fighter jets on either side on the forehead with an air-brushed >back-ground. Yeah, Essensa's mask looked really good. >The best one of all was one he never talked about, he just held it up. >It has the current Leafs crest on the chin and an awesome looking >black panther on the forehead -- it *has* to be a new mask for Felix >Potvin, but he never said whose it was. Actually, I thought I heard him say that it _was_ Potvin's for certain. I would bet money on it either way...and it did look awesome! dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca ";-1;0 "From: david@swat (David E. Smyth) Subject: Re: Looking For David E. Smyth Nntp-Posting-Host: swat Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA) Lines: 16 zvi@nynexst.com (Zvi Guter) writes: >The author of Wcl (or the current care taker). His is the only name I found >in the dist tree. I have tried to mail him at: David.Smyth@ap.mchp.sni.de, >but the mail bounced back. Here I am!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Smyth david@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov Senior Software Engineer, (818)306-6463 (temp! do NOT use v-mail) X and Object Guru. tempory office: 525/B70 Jet Propulsion Lab, M/S 525-3660 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's the earliest possible date you can't prove it won't be done by? - Tom DeMarco ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 18 In article holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > Let me ask you this. Would you trust Richard Nixon with your >crypto keys? I wouldn't. I take it you mean President Nixon, not private citizen Nixon. Sure. Nothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon . David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. ";-1;0 "From: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk (""Paul L. Allen"") Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Reply-To: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk Organization: Chaos Lines: 70 X-Newsreader: Archimedes ReadNews -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In message <9304190956.AA10390@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> you write: > : The cops/feds do *not* need to be able to get hold of your private key to > : listen in to cellular conversations. Encryption is not end-to-end, but > : cellphone to base-station [...] > That was true for the UK Paul, but I'm fairly sure they're talking about > building end-to-end encryption phones out of this chip. It's *not* for > cellular (though it certainly could be used there in the way you suggest) I'd lost the White House's deathless prose when I posted (that's what happens when you read news at home when you're rat-arsed), but I did have a bunch of follow-ups going on about cellular/cordless comms. The original article has reappeared, so: The President today announced a new initiative that will bring the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary program to improve the security and privacy of telephone communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. Hmm, telephone communications could indeed include end-to-end encryption on ordinary landlines. The initiative will involve the creation of new products to accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. But the next paragraph says telecoms networks and wireless communications links. OK, it's far from clear exactly what Cripple (what an apposite anagram) will be applied to, but the reason Joe Public wants secure comms is to stop people listening in to his cellular or cordless phones (and he wouldn't even be bothered about that were it not for Wingnut and Squidqy's misfortunes). Yes, Cripple *might* be for end-to-end encyption, dropping to clear when the other end doesn't have Cripple. But then a cordless-to-ordinary conversation would be in clear leaving the cordless end just as vulnerable as at present. Nope, I suspect that Cripple will only be used on radio links. OK, it's possible `telecommunications networks' could mean `ordinary phone lines', but I'm betting it means the microwave links used by the telcos. My apologies if I'm wrong, particularly if the turgid Press Release makes it clear that I'm wrong and I missed it, but as far as I can see it was full of obfuscation, and anyone expecting end-to-end encryption is in for a surprise (IMHO). BTW, Graham, I've posted questions to alt.security.pgp and not seen any replies/followups from outside Europe - how about you? Have I made it into everyone's kill file, or is there some problem? - --Paul -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQCVAgUBK9SPBmv14aSAK9PNAQGJBwP/ZoKyrm0gemlyYsNj8bqoH8l8qLJoMRBo eOCClpKsTavebtdCLIGqHNzoWC6Ar2K1blIbpUa2tWnqwRGVa15OgOc7XXKJJ093 yb7P/vWvQbXYiA6zDJ5zkQsDeP7X6ckIDVDRz5CdIS+oNXtiOtHk3s3B3wjQBjCU vks8KOV8gfg= =gVy0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ";-1;0 "From: vgwlu@dunsell.calgary.chevron.com (greg w. luft) Subject: Relief of Pain Caused by Cancer Organization: chevron Lines: 51 I am not sure if this is the proper group to post this to but here goes anyway. About five years ago my mother was diagnosed with having cancer in the lymph nodes under one of her arms. After the doctors removed the cancerous area she had full movement of her arm with only slight aching under her arm when she moved it. Over the course of the next two years the aching got more severe and her complaining to the doctors produced the explanation that it was scar tissue causing the pain. At this time her doctor suggested that some physiotherapy should be employed to break up the scar tissue. While attending one of her therapy sessions, while her arm was being manipulated, some damage occured (nerve?) which caused the level of pain to permanently increase severly (controlled by Tylenol 3s) and some loss of use of the arm ( palsied wrist and almost no outward lateral movement). With great persistence on her part the doctors looked further into the issue and discovered that not all of the cancer had been removed and another tumor had grown under the arm. This was removed also but the pain in the arm has not decreased. The doctors are not sure exactly why the pain is persisting but feel some sort of nerve damage has occured and they have employed Tylenol 3 and soon Morphine to relieve the pain. She has tried acupuncture by this only provides minor reductions in pain and is only short term. My questions are: Has anyone has heard of similar cases and what, if anything, was done to reduce the levels of pain? Are their methods to block nerves so that the pain can be reduced? Are their methods to restore nerves so that loss of arm function can be restored? Any general suggestions on pain reduction would be greatly appreciated. Please respond by email because I do not always get chance to read this group. If anyone knows of some literature that may be useful to this case or another newsgroup that I should be posting this to it would also be appreciated. -- Gregory W. Luft Internet: vgwlu@calgary.chevron.com Chevron Petroleum Techonology Company Tel: (403) 234-6238 500, Fifth Ave. S.W. Fax: (403) 234-5215 Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2P 0L7 ";-1;0 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: <>The ""`little' things"" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People >>said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any. >That's not true. I gave you two examples. One was the rather >pevasive anti-semitism in German Christianity well before Hitler >arrived. The other was the system of social ranks that were used >in Imperail Germany and Austria to distinguish Jews from the rest >of the population. These don't seem like ""little things"" to me. At least, they are orders worse than the motto. Do you think that the motto is a ""little thing"" that will lead to worse things? keith ";-1;0 "From: aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko) Subject: Sega Genesis for sale w/Sonic 1/2 Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Lines: 8 4 month old Sega Genesis, barely used, one controller, in original box, with Sonics 1 and 2. $130 gets the whole bundle shipped to you. Turns out they're not as addictive when they're yours. Anyway, mail me if you're interested in this marvel of modern technology. --- Andrew Boyko aboyko@dixie.com ";-1;0 "From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young) Subject: Re: Blood Glucose test strips Originator: young@sasquatch Nntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr12.151035.22555@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > >In article <1993Apr11.192644.29219@clpd.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes: >> >> Human glucose: 70 - 110 mg./dL. (fasting) [2] > >Are these numbers for whole blood, or plasma? Serum, actually, but plasma numbers are the same. Whole blood numbers for humans tend to be somewhat lower (roughly 5 to 10 percent lower). I find the following range for whole blood in FUNDAMENTALS OF CLINICAL CHEMISTRY: N. W. Teitz, editor; W. B. Saunders, 1987: Human glucose (whole blood, fasting levels) --> 60 - 95 mg./dL. >Which are the strips calibrated for? (Obviously they measure whole blood) Indeed, they do measure whole blood levels, although they are not as accurate as a serum test done in a laboratory. One problem is that cells in the sample continue to metabolize glucose after the sample is drawn, reducing the apparent level. According to Teitz, however, results compare ""reasonably well"" with laboratory results, although ""values below 80 mg./dL. tend to be lower with strip tests, whereas values above 240 mg./dL. can be very erratic."" >What is the conversion factor between human plasma glucose and >whole blood (pin prick) glucose concentration? As stated above, whole blood levels tend to be roughly 5 to 10 percent lower than serum levels. Sample freshness will affect whole blood levels, however. I don't believe there is a well- defined ""conversion factor,"" since cell metabolism will affect samples to varying degrees. The serum/plasma test is much preferred for any except general ""ball park"" testing. -Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.) ";-1;0 "From: dan@danberg.llnl.gov (Dan Bergmann) Subject: Need software for baseball stats Article-I.D.: danberg.1qkq0q$8rl Distribution: world Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: danberg.llnl.gov I'm looking for software (hopefully free and runs on Unix box) which will keep track of statistics for my company softball team (batting avg. etc.). If you know of any please post or respond to me by e-mail. Many thanks. -- ************************************************** ** Dan Bergmann dbergmann@llnl.gov ** ************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000 Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 7 Your best bet is the Dodge Intrepid with the SOHC 24 valve 3.4? six. it gets 214 hp, and has a hell of a lot of room, great styling, and ABS, with four wheel disk breaks. The LH cars won Automobile magazines ""automobile of the year"" award, and are quiet impressive. ";-1;0 "From: marshalk@mercury.Berkeley.EDU (Kevin Marshall) Subject: Re: Grey Scale while in windows? Organization: Motorola Ltd., European Cellular Infrastructure Division Lines: 6 Distribution: world Reply-To: marshalk@mercury.Berkeley.EDU (Kevin Marshall) NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.swindon.rtsg.mot.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kevin Marshall, Operational Support, Motorola ECID, Swindon, UK. | | E-mail : marshalk@zeus | | Phone : +44 793 545127 (International) (0793) 545127 (Domestic) | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: jfreund@taquito.engr.ucdavis.edu (Jason Freund) Subject: Info on Medical Imaging systems Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis Lines: 10 Hi, Is anyone into medical imaging? I have a good ray tracing background, and I'm interested in that field. Could you point me to some sources? Or better yet, if you have any experience, do you want to talk about what's going on or what you're working on? Thanks, Jason Freund ";-1;0 "From: turbo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gerald.l.lindahl) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: AT&T Lines: 19 From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi""): > This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. > Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to > throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five > cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly > a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck > in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she > made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and > doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live. > > What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I > can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but > 20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? > > Erik velapold Yes !!!! ! ";-1;0 "From: rclark@nyx.cs.du.edu Subject: Re: Is there ANY security in the Clipper? Organization: Cold Media Lines: 13 zeev@ccc.amdahl.com (Ze'ev Wurman) writes: >But do we really believe that the various governments >(including ours) won't have the full lists of all the keys ever manufactured? Yes, but they'll be encrypted with Cripple Chip encryption, the encryption algorithm so great it's TOP SECRET and so unbreakable they WON'T EVEN LET YOU LOOK AT IT! Doesn't that make you feel SECURE? ---- Robert W. Clark Just Say No! to the rclark@nyx.cs.du.edu Big Brother Chip ";-1;0 "From: nsl@doe.carleton.ca (Nelson Lup Shun Liu) Subject: Conner CP3204F info please Keywords: conner Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University Lines: 11 I am looking for information about this drive. Switch settings, geometry..etc. Conner CP3204F Please reply via e-mail. Many thanks in advance! -- Nelson nsl@doe.carleton.ca ";-1;0 "From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: New break pads & exhausts after 96K km (60K mi) on '90 Maxima? Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 78 In article <1993Apr16.000601.14223@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> rkim@eecg.toronto.edu (Ryan Kim) writes: > >Hi, maybe someone can help me here... >I am looking to buy this 1990 Nissan Maxima GXE for CDN$14000 right now. So its an automatic? Don't know if US spec=CDN spec. for Maximas. >The car has 96000 km (or about 60000 miles) on it. >A typical mileage for 1990 cars seem to be about 70000 km (or about 43K mi). >The seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification >he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced >to meet the legal standards. (He said he will replace the components before >selling the car to me.) > >Being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars, I don't know >what this could mean... >Is 96K km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items? >Or is this an indication that the car was abused? If it is the first set of brake pads on front, then this is fine. My car eats a set every 15k miles or so. The fact that he is replacing the muffler too is also ok. >Would other things break down or have to be replaced soon? The mileage is fairly low - but typical fwd stuff is CV joints. Check the maintenance records with the manufacturers requirements for valve adjustments, timing belt changes and so on. The 60k mile service is often expensive, so make sure he has done everything. >The seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot, but, >I don't know how to verify this... I've seen the paint chipped away >in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood, though. > Well, this is one of the commonly cited methods for identifying a car with highway miles. Might check the gas pedal wear too. Ask him how many sets of tires he has been through. A highway car might have squeezed by on 2 sets, a hard driven car 6-10 sets. >Although the Maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and >well kept, it's currently out of warranty >(a similarly priced '90 Accord with 70K km will have 2 years or 30K km >worth of warranty left) and I don't want to worry about paying for >any repair bills... Well, the Maxima should be pretty reliable - but if its out of warranty you should get it checked out by someone knowledgeable first. Stuff for Japanese cars can be expensive. >But, I also need a car for 5 people... > >When will the new Maxima come out, by the way? 1995 model year, I believe. > >I would very much appreciate your input in this. >Please reply by e-mail (preferred) or post in this newsgroup. Craig >Thanks! > >Ryan > > > >======== >Ryan Kim >University of Toronto, EECG, Computer Graphics rkim@eecg.toronto.edu >""Do not weave between traffic cones at road works."" > - from the new British Highway Code > (Toronto Star April 3, 1993) > ";-1;0 "From: tommc@hpcvusj.cv.hp.com (Tom McFarland) Subject: Re: Mysterious beeping Nntp-Posting-Host: hpcvusj.cv.hp.com Reply-To: tommc@cv.hp.com Organization: Hewlett Packard UTD-Corvallis Lines: 40 In article , defaria@cup.hp.com (Andy DeFaria) writes: |> [ Article crossposted from hp.windows ] |> [ Author was Andy DeFaria ] |> [ Posted on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:08:38 GMT ] |> |> For some reason the following code causes my X application to beep whenever I |> intercept a keystroke and change it's meaning. The intent of this code it to |> allow ""date"" fields the following special keys: |> |> [Tt]: Insert today's date |> [+=]: Bump day up by one |> [-_]: Bump day down by one |> |> I hardcoded some dates for this example. Perhaps I shouldn't be using an |> XmText field for this. |> |> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// |> // |> // For some reason the following code beeps whenever any of the special keys |> // of [Tt+=-_] are hit. Why? The idea of this code is to interpret these |> // keys having the special meaning implied by the code. I would like to get |> // rid of the beeping but, as far as I can tell, I'm not doing the beep and |> // am at a lose as to understanding who and why the beeping is occuring. |> // |> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// code deleted... From the XmTextField man page (during discussion of resources): XmNverifyBell Specifies whether a bell will sound when an action is reversed during a verification callback. You are setting doit to false in the callback, and Text[Field] is beeping as it should. To turn off this behavior, set this boolean resource to false. Tom McFarland ";-1;0 "From: skipper@traider.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Reply-To: skipper@traider.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) Organization: Traiders of the Lost .ARC! - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Lines: 21 alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: > > Greetings! > > Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't > know the number of the line. And I don't want > to call up the operator to place a trace on it. > > Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can > use to find out the number to the line? > Thanks for any response. > Al > > Dial 511 and it sound tell you the number. --- skipper@traider.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan) Traiders of the Lost .ARC! - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) Distribution: world Organization: Winona State University Nntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu Lines: 19 In article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu>, ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) wrote: > > > In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says: > > Mike Terry asks: > > >Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? > > > No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift > off the ground. This is true as evinced by the popularity of shaft-drive drag bikes. ==================================================== John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona All standard disclaimers apply. ";-1;0 "From: howard@sharps.astro.wisc.edu (Greg Howard) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Organization: University of Wisconsin - Astronomy Department Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: uwast.astro.wisc.edu Actually, the ""ether"" stuff sounded a fair bit like a bizzare, qualitative corruption of general relativity. nothing to do with the old-fashioned, ether, though. maybe somebody could loan him a GR text at a low level. didn't get much further than that, tho.... whew. greg ";2;1 "From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 21 Kaldis writes: #The fact that she was wearing a miniskirt with no underwear was #presented as evidence that she was a prostitute, and the court #apparently found this compelling. Ah, I know women who wear miniskirts without wearing underwear, and they are not prostitutes. #Because the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the #Marines were engaged in self-defense. Got it, knucklehead? Gee, Both Clayton and Kaldis engaging in ad hominem arguments. I presented evidence that what you said is *NOT* what the judge ruled. Provide your evidence. Repeating a false claim is not evidence. -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w ";18;1 "From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi"") writes: >This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. >Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to >throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five >cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly >a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck >in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she >made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and >doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live. > >What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I >can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but >20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? > >Erik velapold Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is ""No Big Deal"". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the message they hear is ""Life is Cheap""! AT ";10;1 "From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 85 In article Thomas Parsli writes: >Drivers licence: >Forgot that USA is THE land of cars..... >Getting one in Scandinavia (and northern europe) is not easy. >Average time is about 20 hours of training, and the cost is rather...... Is the license required for driving a car exclusively on private property, such as a farm? Here in the United States, the license is required only for the use of public roads. >Abuse by the goverment: >This seems to be one of the main problems; Any harder gun-control >would just be abused by the goverment.(!) >Either some of you are a little paranoid (no offence...) OR you should >get a new goverment. (You do have elections??) We also have a nation of 250 million people, _many_ issues and usually only two candidates for a given office. A President might be willing to abuse mild gun control laws and create a de-facto ban (something a majority of the people would object to) and still be elected: The voters might look at issues like the civil rights of minorities, health care, etc... and vote for the ""lesser of two evils."" I don't think this is a matter of paranoia, since local governments in (for example) New York and Chicago have abused existing, mild gun control laws to create a virtual ban. >Guns 'n Criminals: >MOST weapons used by criminals today are stolen. >Known criminals can NOT buy weapons, that's one of the points of gun control. In which case, the United States already has adaquate gun control laws: According to federal statistic, only 7% of gun-wielding criminals legally purchase their own guns from licensed dealers. If that's the point of gun control (to prevent criminals from legally purchasing guns) then America doesn't need any additional laws to accomplish this. >Mixing weapons and things that can be use as one: >What I meant was that cars CAN kill, but they are not GUNS! How is this any different from guns? There are legal purposes for owning and using a gun: They are appropriate tools for hunting, target shooting and self-defence. Like cars, murder isn't their only (or even a common) use. >If 50% of ALL murders was done with axes, would you impose some regulations on them >or just say that they are ment to be used at trees, and that the axe is not a problem, >it's the 'axer' ?? I certainly couldn't imagine the American public accepting regulation of axes. While the politics of other nations may be different, in America there is strong opposition to any intrusive law that primarily would effect the average, law-abiding citizen who had not done anything wrong. >Think about the situation in Los Angeles where people are buying guns to protect >themselves. Is this a good situation ?? Is it the rigth way to deal with the problem ?? A good way to deal with which problem? It is an excelent way to deal with the short-term problem of rioting and violent attacks. Of course, it doesn't do anything for the long-term issues that start riots. But at this point, what can these individuals do about long-term social problems? >If everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals (and their neighbor who have >guns) what do you think will happen ?? (I mean if everybody had a gun in USA) There are, according to surveys, guns in 40% of American homes. In many parts of the country, this is closer to 100%. Those places where almost everyone owns a gun are, on average, safer than those where guns are less common. >LAST WORD: >Responsible gun owners are not a problem, but they will be affected if >you want to protect your citicens. This is, I think, a fundamental difference between American government and that of other nations. Here it is not acceptable to punish or restrict the average, law-abiding citizen in the name of some vague ""common good."" Frank Crary CU Boulder ";-1;0 "From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu Organization: University of Louisville In article , kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes: > Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning > it was. Are they still, officially? > If so, why? and how did they receive this label? There is NO TEAM, repeat, NO TEAM, that is America's team. This is a diverse country with 26 MLB teams (+2 up north) and there is no one team that is America's. Who would the other teams belong to? And how does it happen? Well, teams receive this monicker through success (Cowboys), national exposure (Cubs), or both (Braves). It spreas aby successful advertising campaigns. Harry Caray, Ted Turner, amd other dupe people into thinking that their representative teams are ""hip"" so that people will watch them on TV and buy their products. Arrogant local fans adapt the monicker and think that ""their"" team is the one that America idolize It comes down to dollars and egos. P. Tierney ";-1;0 "From: bryan@src.sbs.utah.edu Subject: Okidata 2410 printer driver Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Lines: 16 I have an Okidata 2410 printer for which I would like to have a printer driver. Has anyone seen such a thing? There is not one on the Microsoft BBS. I can print to it from Windows but I have no fonts available and with Paradox for Windows I can't print labels on it unless there is a proper printer defined. Thanks, Bryan K. Ward Survey Research Center University of Utah i-mail: bryan@src.sbs.utah.edu ";-1;0 "From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? Distribution: usa Organization: Apple Computer Inc. ESD/OSBU/Cross-Platform Software Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com In article rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes: >... >Let's prohibit arms carrying by police when off-duty. Or, if they make >the assertion that ""Well, I need to maintain my gun"" let's make it >regulation that they can carry an UNLOADED firearm home, that it's >only fair that they be just as helpless as poor schmuck coming home >from his computer operator job... > >NRA Director/ex-San Jose cop Leroy Pyle states in the latest SWAT >magazine that anti-cops better watch out for this schism between >RKBA folks and the police. He asks the rhetorical question of 'What >if what's left of the gun lobby starts demanding the disarmament >of the police?"" > >Well, I guess anti-gun cops who think only they should be armed, >along with the wealthy and politically connected, should be made >to realize that screwing can cut in ways they have yet to imagine. >... We all know this will never happen. Because the Police are under the wings of Government, they will always be considered more important than Citizens. Government pens, pencils and paper are considered more important than Citizens. I think we have a problem with our Government. ";-1;0 "From: bcwhite@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Brian C. White) Subject: Re: SCSI on dos Keywords: SCSI, DOS, streamer Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr19.132748.18044@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >It was the Seagate 296N and the ST-02 controller. I found that the >controller couldn't keep up with a 1:1 interleave, so the best I could do >with the drive was a 2:1 interleave and a data transfer of about 450 k/sec. According to what others have told me, the ST-296N is difficult to run at the 1:1 interleave even though Seagate claims it. I have a non-pc system (don't ask what it is, you probably haven't heard of it) that is built around SCSI and it can't do 1:1, either. Brian ( bcwhite@sunee.uwaterloo.ca ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. ";-1;0 "From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: When Is Melido Due Back? Distribution: na Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu Melido came off the DL today and will start tonight against the Rangers. (Now, if only he can go the distance so that the bullpen doesn't have to come in.....) --I'm outta here like Vladimir! -Alan Sepinwall =========================================================================== | ""What's this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets | | too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when | | they get too sexually frustrated."" | | -Val Kilmer, ""Real Genius"" | =========================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill) Subject: Re: looking for circle algorithm faster than Bresenhams Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr13.025240.8884@nwnexus.WA.COM>, mpdillon@halcyon.com (Michael Dillon) writes: > I have an algorithm similar to Bresenhams line drawing algorithm, that > draws a line by stepping along the minor axis and drawing slices like > AAAA, BBBB, CCCC in the following diagram. > > AAAA > BBBB > CCCC > Yes, that's known as ""Bresenhams Run Length Slice Algorithm for Incremental lines"". See Fundamental Algorithms for Computer Graphics, Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg 1985. > I have tried to extrapolate this to circles but I can't figure out > how to determine the length of the slices. Any ideas? Hmm. I don't think I can help you with this, but you might take a look at the following: ""Double-Step Incremental Generation of Lines and Circles"", X. Wu and J. G. Rokne, Computer Graphics and Image processing, Vol 37, No. 4, Mar. 1987, pp. 331-334 ""Double-Step Generation of Ellipses"", X. Wu and J. G. Rokne, IEEE Computer Graphics & Applications, May 1989, pp. 56-69 Graeme Gill. ";1;1 "From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) Subject: Nicknames Summary: was Re: New Member Organization: Salvation Army Draft Board Lines: 36 In article nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nanci Ann Miller) writes: >jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes: >> Welcome. I am the official keeper of the list of nicknames that people >> are known by on alt.atheism (didn't know we had such a list, did you). >> Your have been awarded the nickname of ""Buckminster."" So the next time >> you post an article, sign with your nickname like so: >> Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller. Thanks again. >> >> Jim ""Humor means never having to say you're sorry"" Copeland > >Of course, the list has to agree with the nickname laws laid down by the >GIPU almost 2000 years ago (you know... the 9 of them that were written on >the iron tablets that melted once and had to be reinscribed?). Since I am >a prophet of the GIPU I decree that you should post the whole list of >nicknames for the frequent posters here! If the first rule of humor is never having to say you're sorry then the second rule must be never having to explain yourself. Few things are worse that a joke explained. In spite of this, and because of requests for me to post my list o' nicknames, I must admit that no such list exists. It was simply a plot device, along with me being the keeper o' the list, to make the obvious play on the last name of Fuller and to advance the idea that such a list should be made. I assumed that the ol' timers would recognize it for what it is. Nevertheless, how about a list o' nicknames for alt.atheism posters? If you think of a good one, just post it and see if others like it. We could start with those posters who annoy us the most, like Bobby or Bill. Jim ""D'oh! I broke the second rule of humor"" Copeland -- If God is dead and the actor plays his part | -- Sting, His words of fear will find their way to a place in your heart | History Without the voice of reason every faith is its own curse | Will Teach Us Without freedom from the past things can only get worse | Nothing ";-1;0 "From: jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: Interactive Media Group - University of Massachusetts at Lowell Lines: 146 In article <1993Apr16.010235.14225@mtu.edu>, cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes: -> > This mention of a well regulated militia is what confuses me. According -> > to the Federalist Paper's, a well regulated militia has a well defined -> > structure and follows nationally uniform regulations. -> -> Perhaps you should actually READ the Federalist Papers!! Perhaps you should, reread Federal 29 which deals exclusively with the ""well regulated malitia."" Here is what is says about its character: To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, It also talks about the ""well regulated militia"" having a nationally uniform in structure and disipline. I will note you did quote the end of this particular paragraph which states: Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year. But, do you knew how much organization is required to training a large group of poeple twice a year. Just to try to get the same people every year, provide a basic training to new people so they can be integrated into the force, and find a suitable location, it requires a continually standing committee of organizers. Since a well regulate militia is nationally uniform in structure and disipline, and meet once or twice a year to train, how can you claim a ""well regulated militia"" is not well organized. But I will concide a ""well organized militia"" is not necessarily a ""well regulated militia."" Several people have stated that the ""well organized militia"" is what is defined under 10 USC 311, which states The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizents of the United States who are commissioned officers of the National Guard. This deos define the militia, but were is the adjective ""well regulated."" 10 USC 311 does not define a ""well regualed militia"" in any way, shape, or form. It only defines who can become part of a well regulated militia The Federalist Papers CLEARLY define the ""well regualed militia"" as a proper SUBSET of the militia. In the same paragraph quoted above, it talk above ""disciplining all the militia of the United States"" so they fit the ""character of a well-regulated militia."" This is what the paragraph states about the associated costs: It would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country, to an amount which, calculating upon the present numbers of the people, would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil establishments of all the States. To attempt a thing which would abridge the mass of labor and industry to so considerable an extent, would be unwise: and the experiment, if made, could not succeed, because it would not long be endured. Another quote provide by Charles Scripter is: James Madison, Federalist Paper 41 (regarding the ""General Welfare"" clause): ""Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars."" So the phrase ""the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"" must either qualify or explain the phrase ""a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state."" The definition of ""explain"" as stated in ""The American Hertitage Dictionary of the Enlish Language"" The New College Edition, 1982 is: 1) To make plain or comprehensible; remove obscruity from; elucidate: ""It was the economists who undertook to explain this puzzle"" 2) To define; explicate; expound: He explained his plan. 3) To offer reasons for or a cause of; an answer for' justify: explain an error The second phrase clearly does not ""explain"" the first, therefore the second phrase must ""qualify"" the first. The definition given for ""qualify"" is: 1) To describe by enumerating the characteristics or qualities of; characterize. 2) To make competent or suitable for office, position, or task. 3) To give legal power to; make legally capable. 4) To modify, limit, or restrict, as giving exceptions. 5) To make less harsh or severe; moderate 6) Grammar: To modify the meaning of (a word or phrase) Since ""the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"" does not describe, modify or make less harsh anything and it has nothing to do with grammar or some sort of position or task. By process of elimination it must fall into definition #3. And since #3 deals with legal power, the same thing the Constitution does, it must be the correct definition in this case. Therefore, ""the right of the people to keep and bear Arms"" gives legal power to the ""well regualated militia"" and this legal power ""shall not be infringed"". I thank you very much Mr Scripter, you have provided me with more evidence that the Second Amendment only concerns itseft with the people's right to form well regulate militia, and says very little about the right of an untrained person to ""keep and bear"" a .50 caliber machine gun. And since I, totally untrained in the use of any firearm (something I personly have meant to correct by going to a NRA gun safety course and joining a gun club), cannot legally buy such a machine gun, I conclude the courts and democraticly elected congress agree with me. -> So now we know which category Mr. Rutledge is in; He means to destroy -> our Liberties and Rights. I mean ""to destory our Liberties and Rights."" Is that why a participate in the discussion of exactly what ""our Libertues and Rights"" are? I force my version of ""our Liberties and Rights"" by begining statements of what ""our Liberties and Rights"" with ""All that the Second Amendment clearly states to me."" Using expressions, such as ""states to me,"" clearly mean I intend to force my views on others? I don't think so. So in effort not to force my views and not ""to destory our Liberties and Rights,"" I state that nothing I have written, or will write, in the matter of ""Liberties and Rights"" is the final word. For I am only one person among many and the final word on ""Liberties and Rights"" cleary and irrevocably belongs to the many. +-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | | ""If only it were a modern document, with a | | John Lawrence Rutledge | smart index and hyper links stretching all | | Research Assistant | through the world data net. It was terribly | | | frustrating to flip back and forth between | | Interactive Media Group | the pages and crude flat illustrations that | | Computer Science Department | never even moved. Nor were there animated | | UMass - Lowell | arrows or zoom-ins. It completely lacked a | | 1 University Ave. | for sound. | | Lowell, MA 01854 | ""Most baffling of all was the problem of new | | | words... In normal text you'd only have to | | (508) 934-3568 | touch an unfamiliar word and the definition | | jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu | would pop up just below."" | | | from David Brin's ""Earth"" | +-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 41 In article: <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) wrote: >I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that >this board would be most appropriate. >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? Except for their size, the cooling towers on nuclear power plants are vertually identical in construction and operation to cooling towers designed and built in the 1890's (a hundred years ago) for coal fired power plants used for lighting and early electric railways. Basicly, the cylindrical tower supports a rapid air draft when its air is heated by hot water and/or steam circulating thru a network of pipes that fill about the lower 1/3 of the tower. To assist cooling and the draft, water misters are added that spray cold water over the hot pipes. The cold water evaporates, removing the heat faster than just air flow from the draft would and the resulting water vapor is rapidly carried away by the draft. This produces the clouds frequently seen rising out of these towers. That slight pinch (maybe 2/3 of the way up the tower) is there because it produces a very significant increase in the strength and rate of the air draft produced, compared to a straight cylinder shape. The towers are used to recondense the steam in the sealed steam system of the power plant so that it can be recirculated back to the boiler and used again. The wider the temperature difference across the turbines used in the power plant the more effecient they are and by recondensing the steam in the cooling towers before sending it back to the boilers you maintain a very wide temperature difference (sometimes as high as 1000 degrees or more from first stage ""hot"" turbine to final stage ""cold"" turbine). R. Tim Coslet Usenet: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com technology, n. domesticated natural phenomena ";-1;0 "From: art@cs.UAlberta.CA (Art Mulder) Subject: comp.windows.x: Getting more performance out of X. FAQ Summary: This posting contains a list of suggestions about what you can do to get the best performance out of X on your workstation -- without buying more hardware. Keywords: FAQ speed X Nntp-Posting-Host: spirit-riv.cs.ualberta.ca Reply-To: art@cs.ualberta.ca (Art Mulder) Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 677 Archive-name: x-faq/speedups Last-modified: 1993/4/15 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - HOW TO MAXIMIZE THE PERFORMANCE OF X -- monthly posting - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Compiled by Art Mulder (art@cs.ualberta.ca) More RAM, Faster CPU's, More disk space, Faster Ethernet... These are the standard responses you hear when you ask how to improve the performance of your workstation. Well, more hardware isn't always an option, and I wonder if more hardware is always even a necessity. This ""FAQ"" list is a collection of suggestions and ideas from different people on the net on how you can the best possible performance from X Windows on your workstation, WITHOUT PURCHASING MORE HARDWARE. Performance is a highly subjective issue. The individual user must balance `speed' versus `features' in order to come to a personal decision. Therefore this document can be be expected to contain many subjective opinions in and amongst the objective facts. This document is specifically concerned with X. There are of course many other factors that can affect the performance of a workstation. However, they are outside the scope of this document. [ People seriously interested in the whole area of system performance, might want to look at the O'Reilly Nutshell Handbook ""System Performance Tuning"" by Mike Loukides. I'm about 25% of the way through reading it, and it looks like a well-written comprehensive treatment of system performance. I'm unaware of any other similar books. --ed.] ----------------- Table of Contents ----------------- 0. Introduction & Administrivia 1. What about the ""Other X FAQ""? 2. Window Managers 3. The X Server Which Server? Locking the Server into RAM? Starting your Server Fonts About the Resources File ! Define Your Display Properly 4. Clients A Better Clock for X A Better Terminal Emulator for X Tuning your client 5. Miscellaneous Suggestions Pretty Pictures A Quicker Mouse Programming Thoughts Say What!? 6. Other Sources of Information 7. Author & Notes ! = changed since last issue. * = new since last issue. ----------------------------- Introduction & Administrivia ----------------------------- This document is posted each month, on or around the 15th, to the Usenet news groups comp.windows.x, news.answers, and comp.answers. If you are reading a copy of this FAQ which is more than a few months old (see the ""Last-modified"" date above) you should probably locate the latest edition, since the information may be outdated. If you do not know how to get those newsgroups and/or your site does not receive them and/or this article has already expired, you can retrieve this FAQ from an archive site. There exist several usenet FAQ archive sites. To find out more about them and how to access them, please see the ""Introduction to the news.answers newsgroup"" posting in news.answers. The main FAQ archive is at rtfm.mit.edu [18.172.1.27]. This document can be found there in /pub/usenet/news.answers/x-faq/speedups. If you do not have access to anonymous ftp, you can retrieve it by sending a mail message to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with the command ""send usenet/news.answers/x-faq/speedups"" in the message body. ----------------------------- What about the ""Other X FAQ""? ----------------------------- David B. Lewis (faq%craft@uunet.uu.net) maintains the informative and well written ""comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions"" document. Its focus is on general X information, while this FAQ concentrates on performance. The comp.windows.x FAQ does address the issue of speed, but only with regards to the X server. The gist of that topic seems to be: ""Use X11R5, it is faster than R4"". (Please see the X FAQ for complete details). --------------- Window Managers --------------- There are a lot of window managers out there, with lots of different features and abilities. The choice of which to use is by necessity a balancing act between performance and useful features. At this point, most respondents have agreed upon ""twm"" as the best candidate for a speedy window manager. A couple of generic tricks you can try to soup up your window manger, is turning off unnecessary things like ""zooming"" and ""opaque move"". Also, if you lay out your windows in a tiled manner, you reduce the amount of cpu power spent in raising and lowering overlapping windows. Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) I've found that a good font for tiling is 7x13 (aka: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-100-100-100-c-70-iso8859-1 ). It is the biggest font I know of that I can use on my Sun (1152x900 screen) and still get two 80 column terminal windows side-by-side on the display with no overlap. Other font suggestions will be accepted. ------------ The X Server ------------ Which Server? - - - - - - - Make sure that your server is a proper match for your hardware. If you have a monochrome monitor, use a monochrome X11 server. On my Monochrome Sun, I haven't noticed much difference between the Xsun (colour) server and XsunMono, however it was pointed out to me that XsunMono is about 800k smaller and therefore should contribute to less paging. [ thanks to: Jonny Farringdon (j.farringdon@psychol.ucl.ac.uk), Michael Salmon (Michael.Salmon@eos.ericsson.se) ] How your server was compiled can also make a difference. Jeff Law (law@schirf.cs.utah.edu) advises us that on a Sun system, X should be compiled with gcc (version 2.*) or with the unbundled Sun compiler. You can expect to get ""*very* large speedups in the server"" by not using the bundled SunOS compiler. I assume that similar results would occur if you used one of the other high-quality commercial compilers on the market. Locking the Server into RAM? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Has anyone tried hacking the X server so that it is locked into RAM and does not get paged? eg: via a call to plock(). Does this help performance at all? I've had one inquiry on this topic, and a few pointers to the plock() function call, but no hard evidence from someone who's tried it. I am not in a position to give it a try. [thanks to: Eric C Claeys (ecc@eperm.att.com), Danny Backx (db@sunbim.be), Juan D. Martin (juando@cnm.us.es) ] Starting your Server - - - - - - - - - - - Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) : If you start up a lot of clients in your .xsession or whatever, sleep for a second or two after launching each one. After I changed my .xclients script to do this, logging in actually took *less* time... we have a heavily loaded system without much core, though. This sounds crazy, but I have confirmed that it works! Warner Losh (imp@Solbourne.COM) provided me with a good explanation of why this works, which I have summarized here: When you start up an X server it takes a huge amount of time to start accepting connections. A lot of initialization is done by the server when it starts. This process touches a large number of pages. Any other process running at the same time would fight the server for use of the CPU, and more importantly, memory. If you put a sleep in there, you give the Server a chance to get itself sorted out before the clients start up. Similarly, there is also a lot of initialization whenever an X client program starts: toolkits registering widgets, resources being fetched, programs initializing state and ""databases"" and so forth. All this activity is typically memory intensive. Once this initialization is done (""The process has reached a steady state""), the memory usage typically settles down to using only a few pages. By using sleeps to stagger the launching of your clients in your .Xinitrc , you avoid them fighting each other for your workstation's limited resources This is most definitely a ""Your Mileage May Vary"" situation, as there are so many variables to be considered: available RAM, local swap space, load average, number of users on your system, which clients you are starting, etc. Currently in my .xinitrc I have a situation like: (sleep 1; exec xclock ) & (sleep 1; exec xbiff ) & (sleep 1; exec xterm ) & (sleep 1; exec xterm ) & I've experimented with: (sleep 1; exec xclock ) & (sleep 2; exec xbiff ) & (sleep 3; exec xterm ) & (sleep 4; exec xterm ) & I've even tried: (sleep 2; exec start_X_clients_script ) & and then in start_X_clients_script I had: (sleep 1; exec xclock ) & (sleep 1; exec xbiff ) & (sleep 1; exec xterm ) & (sleep 1; exec xterm ) & [ The idea with this last one was to make sure that xinit had completely finished processing my .xinitrc, and had settled down into a ""steady state"" before the sleep expired and all my clients were launched. ] All of these yielded fairly comparable results, and so I just stuck with my current setup, for its simplicity. You will probably have to experiment a bit to find a setup which suits you. Fonts - - - Loading fonts takes time and RAM. If you minimize the number of fonts your applications use, you'll get speed increases in load-up time. One simple strategy is to choose a small number of fonts (one small, one large, one roman, whatever suits you) and configure all your clients -- or at least all your heavily used clients -- to use only those few fonts. Client programs should start up quicker if their font is already loaded into the server. This will also conserve server resources, since fewer fonts will be loaded by the server. [ Farrell McKay (fbm@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au), Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) ] eg: My main xterm font is 7x13, so I also have twm set up to use 7x13 in all it's menus and icons etc. Twm's default font is 8x13. Since I don't normally use 8x13, I've eliminated one font from my server. Oliver Jones (oj@roadrunner.pictel.com): Keep fonts local to the workstation, rather than loading them over nfs. If you will make extensive use of R5 scalable fonts, use a font server. About the Resources File - - - - - - - - - - - - - Keep your .Xresources / .Xdefaults file small. Saves RAM and saves on server startup time. Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) One suggestion: In your .Xdefaults (.Xresources) file, try putting only the minimum number of resources that you want to have available to all of your applications. For example: *reverseVideo: true Then, separate your resources into individual client-specific resource files. For example: $HOME/lib/app-defaults. In your .login file set the environment variable XUSERFILESEARCHPATH: setenv XUSERFILESEARCHPATH $HOME/lib/app-defaults/%N [ The ""comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions"" FAQ contains an excellent explanation of how these environment variables work. --ed.] So, when xterm launches, it loads its resources from .../app-defaults/XTerm. Xdvi finds them in .../app-defaults/XDvi, and so on and so forth. Note that not all clients follow the same XXxxx resource-file naming pattern. You can check in your system app-defaults directory (often: /usr/X11R5/lib/X11/app-defaults/) to find the proper name, and then name your personal resource files with the same name. This is all documented in the Xt Specification (pg 125 & 666). [Thanks to: Kevin Samborn (samborn@mtkgc.com), Michael Urban (urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov), and Mike Long (mikel@ee.cornell.edu). Kevin is willing mail his setup files to inquirers.] This method of organizing your personal resources has the following benefits: - Easier to maintain / more usable. - Fewer resources are stored in the X server in the RESOURCE_MANAGER property. As a side benefit your server may start fractionally quicker, since it doesn`t have to load all your resources. - Applications only process their own resources, never have to sort through all of your resources to find the ones that affect them. It also has drawbacks: - the application that you are interested in has to load an additional file every time it starts up. This doesn't seem to make that much of a performance difference, and you might consider this a huge boon to usability. If you are modifying an application's resource database, you just need to re-run the application without having to ""xrdb"" again. - xrdb will by default run your .Xdefaults file through cpp. When your resources are split out into multiple resource files and then loaded by the individual client programs, they will not. WATCH OUT FOR THIS!! I had C style comments in my .Xdefaults file, which cpp stripped out. When I switched to this method of distributed resource files I spent several frustrating days trying to figure out why my clients were not finding their resources. Xt did *NOT* provide any error message when it encountered the C style comments in the resource files, it simply, silently, aborted processing the resource file. The loss of preprocessing (which can be very handy, e.g. ``#ifdef COLOR'' ...) is enough to cause some people to dismiss this method of resource management. - You may also run into some clients which break the rules. For example, neither Emacs (18.58.3) nor Xvt (1.0) will find their resources if they are anywhere other than in .Xdefaults. - when starting up a client on a machine that does not share files with the machine where your resources are stored, your client will not find its resources. Loading all your resources into the server will guarantee that all of your clients will always find their resources. Casey Leedom (casey@gauss.llnl.gov) A possible compromise suggestion that I have (and am planning on trying) is to put resources for all my heavily used clients (eg: xterm) into my .Xdefaults file, and to use the ""separate resources files"" method for clients that I seldom use. Define Your Display Properly - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Client programs are often executed on the same machine as the server. In that situation, rather than setting your DISPLAY environment variable to "":0.0"", where is the name of your workstation, you should set your DISPLAY variable to ""unix:0.0"" or "":0.0"". By doing this you access optimized routines that know that the server is on the same machine and use a shared memory method of transferring requests. [thanks to Patrick J Horgan (pjh70@ras.amdahl.com)] See the _DISPLAY NAMES_ section of the X(1) man page for further explanation of how to properly set your display name. ""I don't think it's stock MIT, but (at least) Data General and HP have libraries that are smart enough to use local communication even when the DISPLAY isn't set specially."" Rob Sartin (88opensi!sartin@uunet.UU.NET) [Jody Goldberg (jody@algorithmics.com) sent me an Xlib patch to change stock R5 to use local communication even if DISPLAY is not properly set. I don't want to get in the business of distributing or trying to juggle non-MIT patches and so have elected not to include it here. Hopefully MIT will apply this minor (~8 lines) patch themselves. In the meantime, if you want to try it yourself, email Jody. --ed.] ------- Clients ------- If you only have a few megabytes of Ram then you should think carefully about the number of programs you are running. Think also about the _kind_ of programs you are running. For example: Is there a smaller clock program than xclock? Unfortunately, I haven't really noticed that programs advertise how large they are, so the onus is on us to do the research and spread the word. [ Suggestions on better alternatives to the some of the standard clients (eg: Xclock, Xterm, Xbiff) are welcome. --ed.] I've received some contradictory advice from people, on the subject of X client programs. Some advocate the use of programs that are strictly Xlib based, since Xt, Xaw and other toolkits are rather large. Others warn us that other applications which you are using may have already loaded up one or more of these shared libraries. In this case, using a non-Xt (for example) client program may actually _increase_ the amount of RAM consumed. The upshot of all this seems to be: Don't mix toolkits. That is, try and use just Athena clients, or just Xview clients (or just Motif clients, etc). If you use more than one, then you're dragging in more than one toolkit library. Know your environment, and think carefully about which client programs would work best together in that environment. [Thanks to: Rob Sartin (88opensi!sartin@uunet.UU.NET), Duncan Sinclair (sinclair@dcs.gla.ac.uk | sinclair@uk.ac.gla.dcs) ] A Better Clock for X - - - - - - - - - - - 1) xcuckoo suggested by: Duncan Sinclair (sinclair@dcs.gla.ac.uk) available: on export.lcs.mit.edu Xcuckoo displays a clock in the title bar of *another* program. Saves screen real estate. 2) mclock suggested by: der Mouse (mouse@Lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU) available: larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1) in /X/mclock.shar Non Xt-based. Extensively configurable. it can be made to look very much like MIT oclock, or mostly like xclock purely by changing resources. Of course, the ultimate clock --- one that consumes no resources, and takes up no screen real estate --- is the one that hangs on your wall. :-) A Better Terminal Emulator for X - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From the README file distributed with xterm: +----- | Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here | | This is undoubtedly the most ugly program in the distribution. | ... +----- Ugly maybe, but at my site it's still the most used. I suspect that xterm is one of the most used clients at many, if not most sites. Laziness? Isn't there a better terminal emulator available? See below. If you must use xterm, you can try reducing the number of saveLines to reduce memory usage. [ Oliver Jones (oj@roadrunner.pictel.com), Jonny Farringdon (j.farringdon@psychol.ucl.ac.uk) ] 1) Xvt suggested by: Richard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) : available: export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib/xvt-1.0.tar.Z ""...if you don't need all the esoteric features of xterm, then get hold of xvt ... it was written here just to save swap space as xterm is rather a hog! "" This was written as a partial 'clone' of xterm. You don't have to rename your resources, as xvt pretends to be XTerm. In it's current version, you cannot bind keys as you can in xterm. I've heard that there are versions of xvt with this feature, but I've not found any yet. UPDATE (March 1993): I recently had a few email conversations with Brian Warkentin (brian.warkentine@eng.sun.com) regarding xvt. He questions whether xvt really is at all faster than xterm. For instance, xvt may initialize slightly faster, but compare scrolling speed (try this quickie benchmark: /bin/time dd if=/etc/termcap bs=40) and see which program can scroll faster. Also, while xterm may be slightly larger in RAM requirements (We don't have any hard numbers here, does anyone else?) shared libraries and shared text segments mean that xterm's paging requirements are not that major. As an experiment, he ripped out all the tek stuff from xterm, but it made little difference, since if you never use it, it never gets brought into memory. So here we stand with some conflicting reports on the validity of xvt over xterm. In summary? Caveat Emptor, your mileage may vary. If you can provide some hard data, I'd like to see it. Specifically: How much RAM each occupies, how much swap each needs, relative speed of each 2) mterm suggested by: der Mouse (mouse@Lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU) available: larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1) in /X/mterm.src/mterm.ball-o-wax. ""I also have my own terminal emulator. Its major lack is scrollback, but some people like it anyway."" Tuning your client - - - - - - - - - - Suggestions on how you can tune your client programs to work faster. From Scott Barman (scott@asd.com) comes a suggestion regarding Motif Text Field Widgets: I noticed that during data entry into Motif text field widgets, I was getting a slight lag in response to some keystrokes, particularly the initial one in the field. Examining the what was going on with xscope I found it. It seems that when the resource XmNblinkRate is non-zero and the focus is on a text field widget (or even just a text widget) the I-beam cursor will blink. Every time the cursor appears or disappears in those widgets, the widget code is making a request to the server (CopyArea). The user can stop this by setting the resource XmNblinkRate to 0. It is not noticeable on a 40MHz SPARC, but it does make a little difference on a [slower system]. This specific suggestion can probably be applied in general to lots of areas. Consider your heavily used clients, are there any minor embellishments that can be turned off and thereby save on Server requests? ------------------------- Miscellaneous Suggestions ------------------------- Pretty Pictures - - - - - - - - Don't use large bitmaps (GIF's, etc) as root window backgrounds. - The more complicated your root window bitmap, the slower the server is at redrawing your screen when you reposition windows (or redraw, etc) - These take up RAM, and CPU power. I work on a Sun SPARC and I'm conscious of performance issues, I can't comprehend it when I see people with a 4mb Sun 3/60 running xphoon as their root window. I'll let someone else figure out how much RAM would be occupied by having a full screen root image on a colour workstation. - If you're anything like me, you need all the screen real estate that you can get for clients, and so rarely see the root window anyway. [ Thanks to Qiang Alex Zhao (azhao@cs.arizona.edu) for reminding me of this one. --ed.] A Quicker Mouse - - - - - - - - Using xset, you can adjust how fast your pointer moves on the screen when you move your mouse. I use ""xset m 3 10"" in my .xinitrc file, which lets me send my pointer across the screen with just a flick of the wrist. See the xset man page for further ideas and information. Hint: sometimes you may want to *slow down* your mouse tracking for fine work. To cover my options, I have placed a number of different mouse setting commands into a menu in my window manager. e.g. (for twm) : menu ""mouse settings"" { ""Mouse Settings:"" f.title "" Very Fast"" ! ""xset m 7 10 &"" "" Normal (Fast)"" ! ""xset m 3 10 &"" "" System Default (Un-Accelerated)"" ! ""xset m default &"" "" Glacial"" ! ""xset m 0 10 &"" } Programming Thoughts - - - - - - - - - - - Joe English (joe@trystero.art.com) : To speed up applications that you're developing, there are tons of things you can do. Some that stick out: - For Motif programs, don't set XmFontList resources for individual buttons, labels, lists, et. al.; use the defaultFontList or labelFontList or whatever resource of the highest-level manager widget. Again, stick to as few fonts as possible. - Better yet, don't use Motif at all. It's an absolute pig. - Don't create and destroy widgets on the fly. Try to reuse them. (This will avoid many problems with buggy toolkits, too.) - Use a line width of 0 in GCs. On some servers this makes a HUGE difference. - Compress and collapse multiple Expose events. This can make the difference between a fast application and a completely unusable one. Francois Staes (frans@kiwi.uia.ac.be) : Just a small remark: I once heard that using a better malloc function would greatly increase performance of Xt based applications since they use malloc heavily. They suggested trying out the GNUY malloc, but I didn't find the time yet. I did some tests on small programs just doing malloc and free, and the differences were indeed very noticeable ( somewhat 5 times faster) [ Any confirmation on this from anyone? --ed.] Andre' Beck (Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de) : - Unnecessary NoExpose Events. Most people use XCopyArea/XCopyPlane as fastest blit routines, but they forget to reset graphics_exposures in the GC used for the blits. This will cause a NoExpose Event every blit, that, in most cases, only puts load onto the connection and forces the client to run through it's event-loop again and again. - Thousands of XChangeGC requests. This ""Gfx Context Switching"" is also seen in most handcoded X-Apps, where only one or few GCs are created and then heavily changed again and again. Xt uses a definitely better mechanism, by caching and sharing a lot of GCs with all needed parameters. This will remove the load of subsequent XChangeGC requests from the connection (by moving it toward the client startup phase). Say What!? - - - - - - Some contributors proposed ideas that seem right off the wall at first: David B. Lewis (by day: dbl@osf.org, by night: david%craft@uunet.uu.net) : How about this: swap displays with someone else. Run all your programs on the other machine and display locally; the other user runs off your machine onto the other display. Goal: reduce context switches in the same operation between client and server. I'm not in a situation where I can easily try this, but I have received the following confirmation... Michael Salmon (Michael.Salmon@eos.ericsson.se): I regularly run programs on other machines and I notice a big difference. I try to run on a machine where I will reduce net usage and usually with nice to reduce the impact of my intrusion. This helps a lot on my poor little SS1+ with only 16 MB, it was essential when I only had 8 MB. Casey Leedom (casey@gauss.llnl.gov) : [The X11 Server and the client are] competing for the same CPU as your server when you run it on the same machine. Not really a major problem, except that the X11 client and the server are in absolute synchronicity and are context thrashing. Timothy H Panton (thp@westhawk.uucp) : Firstly it relies on the fact that most CPU's are mostly idle, X's cpu usage is bursty. so the chances of you and your teammate doing something cpu-intensive at the same time is small. If they are not then you get twice the cpu+memory available for your action. The second factor is that context switches are expensive, using 2 cpu's halves them, you pay a price due to the overhead of going over the network, but this is offset in most cases by the improved buffering of a network (typically 20k vs 4k for a pipe), allowing even fewer context switches. ---------------------------- Other Sources of Information ---------------------------- Volume 8 in O'Reilly's X Window System Series, ``X Window System Administrator's Guide'' is a book all X administrator's should read. Adrian Nye (adrian@ora.com): A lot more tips on performance are in the paper ""Improving X Application Performance"" by Chris D. Peterson and Sharon Chang, in Issue 3 of The X Resource. An earlier version of this paper appeared in the Xhibition 1992 conference proceedings. This paper is absolutely essential reading for X programmers. -------------- Author & Notes -------------- This list is currently maintained by Art Mulder (art@cs.ualberta.ca) Suggestions, corrections, or submission for inclusion in this list are gladly accepted. Layout suggestions and comments (spelling mistak's too! :-) are also welcome. Currently I have listed all contributors of the various comments and suggestions. If you do not want to be credited, please tell me. speedup-x-faq is copyright (c) 1993 by Arthur E. Mulder You may copy this document in whole or in part as long as you don't try to make money off it, or pretend that you wrote it. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- ...art mulder ( art@cs.ualberta.ca ) | ""Do not be conformed to this world, Department of Computing Science | but be transformed by the renewal University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada | of your mind, ..."" Romans 12:2 ";-1;0 "From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Expires: 15 May 93 05:00:00 GMT Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma. Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr9.172953.12408@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes: >The rider (pilot?) of practically every riceburner I've passed recently >has waved to me and I'm wondering if it will last. Could they simply be >overexuberant that their 'burners have been removed from winter moth-balls >and the novelty will soon dissipate? Perhaps the gray beard that sprouted >since the last rice season makes them think I'm a friendly old fart that >deserves a wave... Maybe...then again did you get rid of that H/D of yorn and buy a rice rocket of your own? That would certainly explain the friendliness...unless you maybe had a piece of toilet paper stuck on the bottom of your boot...8-). Rich Rich Bemben - DoD #0044 rbemben@timewarp.prime.com 1977 750 Triumph Bonneville (617) 275-1800 x 4173 ""Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect us from the evil men do in the name of good"" ";-1;0 "From: morrow@cns.ucalgary.ca (Bill Morrow) Subject: Need source for old Radio Shack stereo amp chip Nntp-Posting-Host: cns9.cns.ucalgary.ca Organization: University of Calgary Lines: 13 Last week I asked for help in getting an old homemade amp working with my Sun CD-ROM drive. It turns out that the channel I was testing with was burned out in the amp. The other channel works fine. So now I need a new amplifier chip. My local Radio Shack no longer carries components! The chip is a 12 pin SIP (?) labelled with BA5406 and then ""502 515"" below that. Does anyone have a source? Thanks, -- Bill Morrow Clinical Neurosciences, University of Calgary e-mail: morrow@cns.ucalgary.ca voice: (403) 220-6275 fax: (403) 283-8770 3330 Hospital Drive NW Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2N 4N1 ";-1;0 "From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Article-I.D.: blue.8007 Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 81 mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: >In article <7975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >>mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: >>> >>>We know that very, very few players at this age make much of an impact >>>in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball. >> >>Yes. But this is *irrelevant*. You're talking about averages, when we >>have lots of information about THIS PLAYER IN PARTICULAR to base our >>decisions on. > >Do you really have *that* much information on him? Really? I don't personally, but Clay just posted it. Yes, we do. Unfortunately, it shows that Lopez wasn't as good an example as Nieves would have been, since his last year numbers were out of line with the previous years (which I didn't have access to). The point remains, though; knowing a guy's minor league history is as good as knowing his major league history, if you know how to read it. >>Why isn't Lopez likely to hit that well? He hit that well last year (after >>adjusting his stats for park and league and such); he hit better (on an >>absolute scale) than Olson or Berryhill did. By a lot. > >I don't know. You tell me. What percentage of players reach or >exceed their MLE's *in their rookie season*? We're talking about >1993, you know. The MLE is not a *projection*, it's an *equivalence*. It's a ""this is how well he hit *last* year, in major league terms"" rating. So, in essence, he has *already* reached it. I would guess (Bob? Clay?) that essentially half of all players surpass their previous MLEs in their rookie seasons. Maybe more than half, since all of these players are young and improving. >If that were your purpose, maybe. Offerman spent 1992 getting >acclimated, if you will. The Dodgers as a team paid a big price >that season. Did they? Offerman may have been the difference between 4th or 5th place and last place, but no more. >Perhaps they will reap the benefits down the road. >Do you really think they would have done what they did if they >were competing for a pennant? Sure; they didn't have anyone better. I suppose they might have gutted the farm system to acquire Jay Bell or Spike Owen or somebody if they were really in contention. >>The point was not that 17 AB is a significant sample, but rather that he >>hadn't done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager >>to question whether his minor league numbers were for real, or to send him >>down ""until he gets warmed up"". > >For a stat-head, I'm amazed that you put any credence in spring >training. If you'd read what I wrote, you'd be less amazed. Nowhere do I claim to put any credence in spring training. Quite the contrary; I said that Lopez hadn't done anything that even the bozos who *do* put credence in spring training could interpret as ""failure"". Just because I think spring training numbers are meaningless doesn't mean that Bobby Cox does; it's just a case of ruling out one possible explanation for sending Lopez down. >>>The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, >> >>Just like Keith Mitchell did? > >Wait a minute. I missed something here. Keith Mitchell did very very well at AA, AAA, and the majors over a season, then did very, very poorly for a year in AAA. -- David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's) dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands ";14;1 "From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) Subject: Re: BusLogic 542B questions Nntp-Posting-Host: csclass.utdallas.edu Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas Lines: 12 >beta. Support for the BusLogic cards is not included with OS/2 2.0 any longer. Why not? This is rather disappointing... >If you wish to install the beta from the CD/ROM, you will need to REM out the >Adaptec device drivers, as they have a nasty tendency to crash the BusLogic >cards when OS/2 attempts to use them. (Thanks Adaptec!) Yep. That's cause the latest(and presumably all future) Adaptec drivers look for the string ""Adaptec"" or something to that effect in the cards BIOS. ";5;1 "From: frodel@dhhalden.no (Frode Lundemo) Subject: Apple 13"" giong brighter Nntp-Posting-Host: pc138 Organization: Ostfold Regional College Lines: 4 My Apple 13"" RGB monitor has over the past few months gone brighter and brighter and the colors are not as rich as before. Has anyone out there encountered a similar problem? Dows anyone happen to know what this problem may be due to? ";-1;0 "From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Article-I.D.: midway.1993Apr15.221049.14347 Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 32 In article <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes: >In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >>humor us. Thanks for your help. > >Hank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish >faith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world >series games because of Yom Kippur) The other Jewish HOF'er is Rod Carew (who converted). Lowenstein is Jewish, as well as Montana's only representative to the major leagues. Undeserving Cy Young award winner Steve Stone is Jewish. Between Stone, Koufax, Ken Holtzman (? might have the wrong pitcher, I'm thinking of the one who threw a no-hitter in both the AL and NL), and Big Ed Reulbach, that's quite a starting rotation. Moe Berg can catch. Harry Steinfeldt, the 3b in the Tinkers-Evers-Chance infield. Is Stanky Jewish? Or is that just a ""Dave Cohen"" kinda misinterpretation? Whatever, doesn't look like he stuck around the majors too long. -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | ";14;1 "Subject: Re: Date is stuck From: phys169@csc.canterbury.ac.nz Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Nntp-Posting-Host: cantva.canterbury.ac.nz Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr14.132300.27816@kosman.uucp>, kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) writes: > Anybody seen the date get stuck? > > I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time. The machine > is left running all the time. > > Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over. The time is (reasonably) accurate > allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning. This involves > exiting the menu system to get to DOS. > > Anyone have the slightest idea why this should be? Even a clue as to whether > the hardware (battery? CMOS?) or DOS is broken? I bet it suddenly started sticking when you started leaving the PC running the menu all night. There is a limitation/bug in the date roll-over software in PC's that means you have to be doing something like waiting for keyboard input via a DOS call rather than a BIOS call (as menus often use) otherwise the code to update the date after midnight never gets called. Somebody might be able to correct the details in case I've mis-rememberred them, but I think you have to change the menu program (if you have the sources) or add a TSR or system patch or something. As far as I know the CMOS clock keeps the right time (in fact about 7 seconds/day better than DOS's clock). Mark Aitchison, University of Canterbury. ";5;1 "From: c60b-3jl@web-4f.berkeley.edu (James Wang) Subject: Re: What is ""ROM accelerated video""? Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: web-4f.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr15.182206.12714@reed.edu> especkma@reed.edu (Erik. A Speckman) writes: >In the MacUser article on the new centris and quadra machines mentioned >that the C650 and the Q800, and not the C610, had ROM accelerated video. > >What is it? I don't recall seeing it in Dale Adams post. of course it was in Dale's post, just not in the words that MacUser used. ROM accelerated video just means that some quickdraw commands has been rewritten (inside the ROM) to take advantage of the 68040 addressing modes. commands that do fills should be slightly faster since the new instructions fetch 2 bytes at a time versus one. ";-1;0 "From: kerryy@bnr.ca (Kerry Yackoboski) Subject: Re: Goalie masks Reply-To: kerryy@bnr.ca Organization: BNR Ottawa Lines: 10 In article <1993Apr15.184750.12889@ac.dal.ca>, brifre1@ac.dal.ca writes: |> I saw a mask once that had drawings of band-aids, presumably for every puck |> that goalie stopped with his face/head. I can't remember who it was or even |> if it was NHL (I see quite a few AHL games here). Gerry Cheevers used to have a mask that had stitches painted all over it. Ken Dryden's mask is a classic - an archetype of our time. ";-1;0 "From: chein@eng.auburn.edu (Tsan Heui) Subject: IN CASE A DEAL IS A LEMON .... Nntp-Posting-Host: wilbur.eng.auburn.edu Organization: Auburn University Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 22 Hi to all. Since all of you could also be a seller as well as a buyer, I'd like to bring this issue for discussion - what would be the best solution in case a deal became a lemon? As I understand most people selling things over the net do not grant a warranty,I am in such a situation that the seller did not state whether a warranty would be granted or not and the item I received is out of order. The seller insisted that it was 'in good condition' when he sent it and so would just return half ofthe amount that I paid if I send the item back to him and after he is sured it is bad. Is this reasonable? Basically I would like to believe the seller tells the truth. Also, I am positively to say that I've not done anything wrong which might cause the failure of the thing. My assumption here is everyone is honest - so rule out the possibility that either one of the two parties or both are liars. I would like to hear your opinion - either in here or directly respond to my e-mail address. I know there is such a risk that you could lose money. But, how can we make it enjoyable to most people and not wasting the bandwidth? chein ";-1;0 "From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu) Subject: Best frontplate for SyQuest in IIvi/IIvx/C650? Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-7.hut.fi Reply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 11 Could someone tell me how to make/find/get the best frontplate for IIvi/IIvx/C650 with internal SyQuest drive? Is there one available or do I have to make one from the original or CD-ROM one or scratch? Every suggestion welcome. -- Jartsu ";-1;0 "From: jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: HRB Systems, Inc. Lines: 31 (I deleted your name because I don't want to sound accusative in my remark) > > This is a two-sided problem. Unfortunately our culture has been deteriorating over time. > The ""breeding"" of these low-life's is getting worse; our justice system is at best > extremely weak to handle these problems. That is why low-abiding citizens should have > the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary > anywhere a threat is imminent. > > My Camaro (my pride and joy) got stolen right out of my driveway a few years back. > The persons that did that were eventually caught (lucky for me!) but not before > having trashed the car. > > On another occasion, on my way from Texas to Florida, I had stopped in a small motel > for the night in a small town somewhere in Florida. About 5 youths were disturbing my > car, setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out. When I and another tenant > walked out with a 357 Magnum and a 45 automatic respectively, they vanished. > Needless to say, I immediately packed-up and left. > > Watch out for car-jacking and staged accidents. They can be deadly! > I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun. We can all ask ""what's happening to society these days"", but don't forget to ask another important question too: What effort am I expending to make it any different than it is? Just my thoughts, Joe Karolchik ";-1;0 "From: yoo@engr.ucf.edu (Hoi Yoo) Subject: looking for USA map Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando Lines: 11 Does anyone out there have or know of, line drawing USA map? Thanks very much in advance, Hoi yoo@engr.ucf.edu ";-1;0 "From: gmiller@worldbank.org (Gene C. Miller) Subject: Re: Radical Agnostic... NOT! Organization: worldbank.org Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr6.013657.5691@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) wrote: > > [reply to zazen@austin.ibm.com (E. H. Welbon)] > > >>> There is no means that i can possibly think of to prove beyond doubt > >>>that a god does not exist (but if anyone has one, by all means, tell me > >>>what it is). Therefore, lacking this ability of absolute proof, being an > >>>atheist becomes an act of faith in and of itself, and this I cannot accept. > >>> I accept nothing on blind faith. > > >>Invisible Pink Flying Unicorns! Need I say more? > > >...I harbor no beliefs at all, there is no good evidence for god > >existing or not. Some folks call this agnosticism. It does not suffer > >from ""blind faith"" at all. I think of it as ""Don't worry, be happy"". > > For many atheists, the lack of belief in gods is secondary to an > epistemological consideration: what do we accept as a reliable way of > knowing? There are no known valid logical arguments for the existence > of gods, nor is there any empirical evidence that they exist. Most > philosophers and theologians agree that the idea of a god is one that > must be accepted on faith. Faith is belief without a sound logical > basis or empirical evidence. It is a reliable way of knowing? > Could you expand on your definition of knowing? It seems a bit monolithic here, but I'm not sure that you intend that. Don't we need, for example, to distinguish between ""knowing"" 2 plus 2 equals 4 (or 2 apples plus 2 apples equals 4 apples), the French ""knowing"" that Jerry Lewis is an auteur, and what it means to say we ""know"" what Socrates said? > This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher > must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell I like this epigraph. Perhaps the issue is learning which, if any, absurdities merit further exploration...Gene ";-1;0 "From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) Subject: Water supplies vulnerable to Milwaukee-type disease outbreak Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 Lines: 182 Here is a press release from the Natural Resources Defense Council. New Data Show About 100 Major U.S. Water Supplies Vulnerable To Milwaukee-Type Disease Outbreak To: National Desk, Environment Writer Contact: Erik Olson or Sarah Silver, 202-783-7800, both of the Natural Resources Defense Council WASHINGTON, April 14 -- Internal EPA data released today by the Natural Resources Defense Council reveals that about 100 large water systems -- serving cities from Boston to San Francisco -- do not filter to remove disease-carrying organisms leaving those communities potentially vulnerable to a disease outbreak similar to the one affecting Milwaukee. The EPA list is attached. ""These internal EPA documents reveal that the safety of water supplies in many American cities is threatened by inadequate pollution controls or filtration,"" said Erik Olson, a senior attorney with NRDC. ""Water contamination isn't just a problem in Bangladesh, it's also a problem in Bozeman and Boston."" ""As of June 29, 1993, about 100 large surface water systems on EPA's list probably will be breaking the law. The 1986 Safe Drinking Water Act requires all surface water systems to either filter their water or fully protect the rivers or lakes they use from pollution,"" Olson continued. Some systems are moving towards eventually implementing filtration systems but are expected to miss the law's deadline. Olson pointed out that the threat of contamination is already a reality in other cities. A 1991 survey of 66 U.S. surface water systems by water utility scientists found that 87 percent of raw water samples contained the Milwaukee organism cryptosporidium, and 81 percent contained a similar parasite called giardia. Adding to the level of concern, a General Accounting Office study released today by House Health and Environment Subcommittee Chairman Henry Waxman indicates serious deficiencies in the nation's system for conducting and following through on sanitary surveys of water systems. ""This new information raises a huge warning sign that millions of Americans can no longer simply turn on their taps and be assured that their water is safe to drink. We must immediately put into place programs to protect water sources from contamination and where this is not assured, filtration equipment must be installed to protect the public,"" Olson noted. ""The time has come for many of the nation's water utilities to stop dragging their feet and to aggressively protect their water from contamination; consumers are prepared to pay the modest costs needed to assure their water is safe to drink."" NRDC is a national non-profit environmental advocacy organization. Systems EPA Indicates Require Filtration and Do Not Adequately Protect Watersheds CONNECTICUT Bridgeport Bridgeport Hydraulic Co. MASSACHUSETTS Boston H2O Resource Author (MWRA) Medford MWRA-Medford Water Dept Melrose MWRA-Melrose Water Dept Hilton MWRA-Hilton Water Dept Needham MWRA-Needham Water Division Newtoncenter MWRA-Newton Water Dept. 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Hadley MWRA-South Hadley Fire Dist Arlington MWRA-Arlington Water Dept Belmont MWRA-Belmont Water Dept Clinton MWRA-Clinton Water Dept Attleboro Attleboro Water Dept Fitchburg Fitchburg Water Dept Northampton Northampton Water Dept North Adams North Adams Water Dept Amherst Amherst Water Division DPW Gardner Gardner Water Dept Worcester Worcester DPW, Water Oper Westboro Westboro Water Dept Southbridge Southbridge Water Supply Co Newburyport Newburyport Water Dept Hingham Hingham Water Co Brockton Brockton Water Dept MAINE Rockland Camden & Rockland Water Co Bath Bath Water District NEW HAMPSHIRE Keene City of Keene Salem Salem Water Dept VERMONT Barre City Barre City Water System Rutland City Rutland City Water Dept NEW YORK Glens Falls Glens Falls City Yorktown Hts Yorktown Water Storage & Dist Rochester Rochester City Henrietta Henrietta WD Rochester MCWA Upland System Rochester Greece Consolidated New York NYC-Aquaduct Sys (Croton) Chappaqua New Castle/Stanwood WD Beacon Beacon City Mamaronek Westchester Joint Water Works PENNSYLVANIA Bethlehem Bethlehem Public Water Sys Johnstown Greater Johnstown Water Auth Lock Haven City of Lock Haven-Water Dept Shamokin Roaring Creek Water Comp Harrisburg Harrisburg City Hazleton Hazleton City Water Dept Wind Gap Blue Mt Consolidated Apollo Westmoreland Auth Fayettville Guilford Water Auth Humlock Creek PG&W-Ceasetown Reservoir Springbrook PG&W-Waters Reservoir Wilkes Barre PG&W-Gardners Creek Wilkes Barre PG&W-Hill Creek Wilkes Barre PG&W-Plymouth Relief Altoona Altoona City Auth Tamaqua Tamaqua Municipal water Waynesboro Waynesboro Borough Auth Pottsville Schuykill Co Mun Auth VIRGINIA Covington City of Covington Fishersville South River Sa Dist-ACSA SOUTH CAROLINA Greenville Greenville Water Sys MICHIGAN Sault Ste Marie Sault Ste Marie Marquette Marquette MONTANA Butte Butte Water Co Bozeman Bozeman City CALIFORNIA San Francisco City & County of San Fran NEVADA Reno Westpac IDAHO Twin Falls Twin Falls City WASHINGTON Aberdeen Aberdeen Water Dept Centralia Centralia Water Dept -30- -- Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario, Canada ndallen@r-node.hub.org ";-1;0 "From: zoron@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Soren M Burkhart) Subject: Dragon's Lair II & Space Ace ARCADE games for sale Keywords: laser games interactive Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 64 Dragon's Lair II ($400 Complete) ------------------------------------- or $220 Laser Disc $150 Motherboard/Joystick/buttons $35 Graphics (For arcade cabinet) $50 Brick Power Supply +12/-12/+5 Space Ace ($430 Complete) -------------------------------------- or $250 Laser Disc $150 Motherboard/Joystick/buttons $35 Graphics (For arcade cabinet) $50 Brick Power Supply +12/-12/+5 Both Space Ace and Dragon's Lair II ($750) ----------------------------------------------- These games require a Sony 1450 Laserdisc player. The nice thing about this player is that you can also watch normal Laserdisc movies on it as well. I have one which I will sell for $600 by itself, $550 with a purchase of one complete system or $500 if you buy both systems. I currently run this into my entertainment center. I have it housed in a PC computer case with with its own fan, and power supply. I run the audio into my stereo system, and the laserdisc runs directly into the T.V.. I have made a mount for the joysticks and the buttons. First person who buys both games will get it all, otherwise you have to do it yourself. If you would prefer to have it all housed in a normal arcade cabinet this can be done as well. The graphics will go nicely along the sides and front of the cabinet. Everything works perfectly. The laserdisc player has an RS-232 port which you can use to develop your own multimedia type applications. The Laserdiscs have been stored in a safe place and have no scratches on them. If you are interested please email me. Thanks, Soren -------------------------------------------------------------- Soren Burkhart Purdue University ""Yes, well that is just the sort of A.I. & Robotics blink-headed pig ignorance I have zoron@en.ecn.purdue.edu come to expect from you non-creative garbage."" John Cleese (Monty Python) ";-1;0 "From: agiacalo@nmsu.edu (Toni Giacalo) Subject: need algorithm for reading and displaying bitmap files Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.nmsu.edu Keywords: GIF PCX BMP I'm making a customized paint program in DOS and need an algorithm for reading bitmap files like GIF, PCX, or BMP. Does anyone have such an algorithm? I've tried copying one out of a book for reading .PCX format but it doesn't work. I will take an algorithm for any format that can be created from Windows Paint. Thanks! Toni ";-1;0 "From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Originator: kevinh@nath Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch Organization: Ascom Hasler AG Lines: 20 In article , wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes: |> Brian LaRose (larose@austin.cs.utk.edu) wrote: |> |> : I never saw the guy. The police said they thought the motive was to |> : hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US, |> : and take the truck. |> : |> : PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS. AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!! |> |> Sad. This sort of thing is on the rise across the country. South Florida |> is getting a lot of national TV coverage on the subject where vacationers |> are being attacked (and some killed) in schemes similar to this. Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US) destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world countries - but not the US! kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch ";10;1 "From: hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dane Hendrix) Subject: Processing of stereo images Reply-To: hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dane Hendrix) Organization: Code 1542, DTMB, Bethesda, MD Lines: 16 I'm interested in find out what is involved in processing pairs of stereo photographs. I have black-and-white photos and would like to obtain surface contours. I'd prefer to do the processing on an SGI, but would be interested in hearing what software/hardware is used for this type of image processing. Please email and/or post to comp.sys.sgi.graphics your responses. Thanks, Dane Hendrix | email: dane@wizard.dt.navy.mil DTMB (a.k.a. Headquarters, Carderock Div.,| or hendrix@oasys.dt.navy.mil Naval Surface Warfare Center) | or hendrix@nas.nasa.gov Code 1542, Bethesda, MD 20084-5000 | phone: (301)227-1340 ";-1;0 "From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 108 Thomas Parsli writes: >I HATE long postings, but this turned out to be rather lengthy.... That's OK -- you can mail me if you want more discussion. >Acquiring weapons in Norway: >You can buy (almost) all kinds of weapons in Norway, BUT you must have a >permit, and a good reason to get the permit.... Around here, long-guns are proof of age and fill out the forms. For pistols, nation-wide check for felonies and three days wait. The ""good reason"" is the difference, and one Americans tend to get annoyed over as we see no reason the guy with the badge is any better than us. >It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ??? >You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to... Not when dealing with America. I can drive an 18-wheel truck with no permit, no license, and at age 12 if I'm engaged in farming work. Strange, that, but there is little to no problem with this. Again, personal rights versus collective security. >Some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners 'arms' >for a long time, but these are rather the exeption. >Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short >time befor the crime. Strange that the rates would decline, since killing somebody is much more frowned upon than merely stealing a gun. >Use of knives: >It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'. >You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open >in public -rigth ?? Why attract attention? I carry my sword openly to and from practice, as that is the only legal thing I can do. I also attract a lot of attention doing this. I'd rather be lost ""in a crowd of one"" than be the subject of attention while carrying a weapon. Think of the word ""intimidation"" and you can see where intimidation is not the preferable method for the normal citizen. >Scandinavians ARE 'aggressive': >We northeners are not as hot-livered as southeners, but when we decide >to take action we DO. >Ask ANY historian or millitary with an knowledge of europe.... >(Or ask any German who served in Norway in WW2.....) Aggressive towards whom? Southerners? Germans? Precisely why I think your society is less violent, weapons aside. >Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some >extent.... >Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ?? >What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of >all the [masses?? -- editor barf -- Dan] Then the masses have the same rights as the individuals, because everything comes down to the individual in one instance or another. To draw an analogy, Norway is involved in the EEC. The USA in involved in NATO. The EEC requires certain changes in your laws. NATO requires no such changes in USA law. These laws affect citizens, and hence Norway is saying Europe is more important than, say, Norwegians having motorcycles that make over 100bhp. In the USA, we'd likely tell the EEC to get stuffed since the EEC has no business, in our eyes, in telling us how much horsepower we can safely ride. While I note that our own state governments often play with game with the federal government, in essence this is a cultural difference between us. >IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME. >But should it have to be like that ?? It shouldn't. Since neither of our countries has managed to remove criminals from society, in America we feel (and remember we have individual states that are larger than your country) that if the police cannot protect us then we must do so ourselves. The criminals in our country are quite violent, hence we prepare for them. >Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ?? >If you believe it's smart/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think >it should be free to buy guns ?? We don't. E-mail me to find out just how difficult it really is in this country. It is easier than in yours, but theft is far easier than the troubles we go through to purchase over here. >I would defend my home, loved ones and country, but I don't view guns as >neccities or toys. They are neither. They are an option. We would never force you to own guns if you lived here. We would, however, fight to keep that option open to you. >I HAVE done army service, and HAVE used a variaty of weapons, but wouldn't >want to have one for self defence or because they 'feel good'.... Then you show you are a responsible, rational user of weapons. Welcome to our ranks. Now, how do we teach the young people this sort of responsibility? Cultures seem to have a grave impact here. I notice you didn't use my great-grandfather's name. Well, he didn't like it much either ;-) < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > ";-1;0 "From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) Subject: NL OPI through first week+ Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 184 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Here is the OPI (Offensive Production Index) for all NL players with at least 10 at-bats. It is early in the season so there are some high numbers. Barry Bonds finished last season at 0.795. I welcome comments and suggestions. Kevin League OPI: 0.410 League BA: 0.252 League SLG: 0.375 League OBA: 0.321 Rank Player OPI BA SLG OBA ----------------------------------------------------- 1 Phi,daulton 1.101 0.333 0.875 0.515 2 Phi,kruk 1.069 0.429 0.821 0.529 3 Cub,grace 1.007 0.452 0.742 0.514 4 Cub,may 0.931 0.389 0.889 0.421 5 Col,boston 0.888 0.545 0.545 0.545 6 Pit,bell 0.873 0.429 0.714 0.467 7 Col,galarraga 0.867 0.458 0.708 0.458 8 StL,pena 0.833 0.400 0.600 0.516 9 StL,zeile 0.811 0.440 0.560 0.500 10 Cin,mitchell 0.810 0.429 0.643 0.467 11 Mon,lansing 0.792 0.419 0.677 0.438 12 Pit,slaught 0.754 0.474 0.526 0.474 13 Mon,vanderwal 0.746 0.389 0.556 0.476 14 NYM,tfernandez 0.709 0.300 0.400 0.500 15 SnF,martinez 0.697 0.300 0.400 0.500 16 Hou,bagwell 0.695 0.367 0.567 0.424 17 Col,hayes 0.686 0.333 0.667 0.364 18 Col,eyoung 0.682 0.333 0.500 0.407 19 Mon,alou 0.675 0.371 0.600 0.389 20 Cin,milligan 0.659 0.333 0.375 0.515 21 Phi,dykstra 0.646 0.214 0.571 0.405 22 SnF,bonds 0.624 0.280 0.680 0.333 22 Flo,conine 0.624 0.393 0.393 0.469 24 SnD,plantier 0.603 0.286 0.571 0.375 25 Hou,gonzalez 0.596 0.296 0.667 0.296 26 Hou,anthony 0.594 0.320 0.480 0.414 27 Col,cole 0.579 0.318 0.409 0.400 28 Atl,sanders 0.576 0.357 0.643 0.357 29 Mon,berry 0.566 0.273 0.273 0.500 30 Cub,sosa 0.558 0.303 0.545 0.343 31 StL,jefferies 0.551 0.269 0.692 0.296 32 Pit,vanslyke 0.549 0.296 0.444 0.387 33 *Montreal 0.548 0.312 0.490 0.367 34 Los,butler 0.545 0.296 0.333 0.457 35 Mon,grissom 0.542 0.333 0.455 0.371 36 Pit,king 0.536 0.308 0.346 0.438 37 SnD,gwynn 0.533 0.280 0.400 0.379 38 Pit,merced 0.532 0.300 0.400 0.391 39 NYM,murray 0.521 0.308 0.462 0.357 40 StL,gilkey 0.514 0.312 0.438 0.353 41 NYM,bonilla 0.507 0.292 0.417 0.370 42 SnD,walters 0.501 0.300 0.500 0.333 43 Cub,wilson 0.497 0.323 0.452 0.344 44 Flo,weiss 0.492 0.261 0.348 0.433 45 *Philadelphia 0.487 0.243 0.431 0.348 46 Atl,justice 0.480 0.207 0.448 0.361 47 *Pittsburgh 0.479 0.292 0.428 0.351 48 StL,osmith 0.476 0.310 0.448 0.355 49 Phi,incaviglia 0.473 0.250 0.500 0.308 50 Pit,young 0.470 0.286 0.500 0.310 51 *StLouis 0.467 0.275 0.445 0.344 52 *Colorado 0.459 0.287 0.426 0.327 53 NYM,hundley 0.458 0.300 0.450 0.333 54 NYM,orsulak 0.454 0.357 0.429 0.400 55 SnF,benjamin 0.440 0.200 0.500 0.273 56 Atl,gant 0.438 0.214 0.464 0.333 56 *NYMets 0.438 0.261 0.345 0.356 58 *Houston 0.436 0.260 0.415 0.318 59 Mon,pitcher 0.434 0.312 0.375 0.353 60 Phi,morandini 0.433 0.240 0.360 0.321 61 Hou,cedeno 0.427 0.280 0.440 0.308 62 Cin,sabo 0.423 0.226 0.452 0.273 63 SnF,manwaring 0.413 0.261 0.435 0.292 64 *SnFrancisco 0.412 0.253 0.396 0.315 65 Atl,blauser 0.409 0.276 0.310 0.364 66 SnF,thompson 0.408 0.278 0.389 0.316 66 Hou,caminiti 0.408 0.259 0.481 0.286 68 Flo,barberie 0.405 0.267 0.267 0.371 69 Mon,cordero 0.400 0.276 0.345 0.323 70 SnD,sheffield 0.397 0.241 0.448 0.267 71 Los,karros 0.392 0.259 0.296 0.355 72 SnF,williams 0.391 0.226 0.452 0.250 72 SnD,mcgriff 0.391 0.192 0.385 0.276 74 Flo,destrade 0.390 0.267 0.333 0.333 75 Col,girardi 0.388 0.238 0.381 0.304 76 Atl,bream 0.386 0.182 0.409 0.250 77 Mon,wood 0.385 0.200 0.300 0.333 78 Flo,santiago 0.384 0.200 0.360 0.286 79 Phi,thompson 0.383 0.227 0.273 0.320 80 SnF,clayton 0.382 0.345 0.379 0.345 80 Los,piazza 0.382 0.304 0.391 0.333 82 SnD,bell 0.378 0.273 0.364 0.304 83 Los,wallach 0.374 0.200 0.400 0.273 84 Cin,larkin 0.367 0.281 0.281 0.361 85 Pit,garcia 0.366 0.273 0.318 0.304 85 *Cincinnati 0.366 0.256 0.319 0.326 87 NYM,coleman 0.363 0.259 0.259 0.310 88 NYM,kent 0.362 0.190 0.286 0.320 89 StL,whiten 0.361 0.240 0.360 0.321 90 Cin,roberts 0.359 0.278 0.278 0.333 90 *Cubs 0.359 0.236 0.366 0.277 92 SnF,lewis 0.354 0.227 0.364 0.261 92 Hou,finley 0.354 0.214 0.250 0.312 92 Col,clark 0.354 0.250 0.350 0.286 95 Los,pitcher 0.350 0.286 0.357 0.286 95 *SnDiego 0.350 0.219 0.357 0.268 97 Atl,lemke 0.345 0.200 0.240 0.333 98 *LosAngeles 0.339 0.221 0.275 0.311 99 SnF,mcgee 0.335 0.267 0.300 0.333 99 *Atlanta 0.335 0.199 0.308 0.287 101 Cin,sanders 0.334 0.267 0.333 0.290 101 Cin,oliver 0.334 0.208 0.208 0.345 103 SnD,gardner 0.332 0.238 0.333 0.273 103 Los,reed 0.332 0.276 0.276 0.323 105 Phi,hollins 0.327 0.226 0.290 0.294 106 *Florida 0.326 0.226 0.268 0.311 107 Los,davis 0.325 0.188 0.219 0.278 108 Atl,pendleton 0.322 0.212 0.273 0.297 109 SnF,clark 0.316 0.161 0.290 0.257 110 Los,strawberry 0.314 0.111 0.185 0.314 110 Hou,biggio 0.314 0.179 0.214 0.303 112 Phi,bell 0.304 0.182 0.364 0.217 113 Flo,magadan 0.303 0.182 0.182 0.357 114 StL,pagnozzi 0.299 0.158 0.316 0.238 115 Pit,martin 0.295 0.167 0.417 0.167 115 Col,bichette 0.295 0.222 0.389 0.222 117 Hou,taubensee 0.294 0.190 0.333 0.227 118 Mon,bolick 0.292 0.250 0.312 0.250 119 Flo,pose 0.291 0.258 0.323 0.303 120 Mon,cianfrocco 0.287 0.188 0.375 0.188 121 NYM,johnson 0.274 0.136 0.136 0.296 122 Cin,kelly 0.272 0.250 0.333 0.270 123 Atl,nixon 0.256 0.185 0.222 0.241 124 NYM,pitcher 0.255 0.167 0.250 0.231 125 Pit,pitcher 0.250 0.222 0.278 0.222 126 Cub,buechle 0.231 0.154 0.192 0.241 127 StL,lankford 0.225 0.133 0.133 0.316 128 Atl,olson 0.224 0.150 0.150 0.261 129 Cub,vizcaino 0.217 0.148 0.259 0.179 130 Cub,sanchez 0.212 0.188 0.219 0.212 131 Phi,duncan 0.202 0.214 0.214 0.214 132 Los,offerman 0.198 0.182 0.182 0.250 133 SnF,pitcher 0.197 0.176 0.235 0.176 134 Mon,laker 0.183 0.133 0.267 0.133 135 Phi,chamberlain 0.180 0.111 0.111 0.200 136 SnD,pitcher 0.164 0.182 0.182 0.182 136 Atl,pitcher 0.164 0.182 0.182 0.182 138 Phi,pitcher 0.159 0.111 0.167 0.158 139 Cub,maldonado 0.150 0.105 0.158 0.150 140 Flo,felix 0.148 0.172 0.207 0.172 141 Cin,espy 0.141 0.100 0.100 0.182 142 StL,jordan 0.140 0.105 0.211 0.105 143 Atl,berryhill 0.128 0.091 0.182 0.091 144 Cub,pitcher 0.126 0.111 0.111 0.158 145 SnD,shipley 0.122 0.087 0.174 0.087 146 StL,pitcher 0.106 0.125 0.125 0.125 147 Hou,pitcher 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067 147 Col,benavides 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067 147 Cin,pitcher 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067 150 Cub,wilkins 0.038 0.000 0.000 0.067 151 Flo,pitcher 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 151 Col,pitcher 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS) OPI = ---------------------------------------------------------------- AB - H BA = H / AB SLG = (H + 2B + 2*3B + 3*HR) / AB OBA = (H + BB) / (AB + BB) -- Jet Propulsion Laboratory | schmke@cco.caltech.edu 4800 Oak Grove Dr. | schmidt@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov M/S 525-3684 | Pasadena, CA 91109 | ";-1;0 "From: kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick) Subject: infra red position encoders Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory Distribution: na Lines: 16 I am looking for information on infra red based position encoders. The idea would be to bounce the infrared source off a wall and the device would read out the distance. preferable it would be rs-232 addressable. Any leads? -- Chris Kushmerick kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov --I found my niche in life, I just didn't fit in. ";-1;0 "From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) Subject: Moonbase race X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 26 From: Gene Wright >With the continuin talk about the ""End of the Space Age"" and complaints >by government over the large cost, why not try something I read about >that might just work. >Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation >who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. >Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin >to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! I'll say! Imagine that there were a couple groups up there, maybe landing a few weeks apart. The year-mark starts coming on for the first group. Isn't a billion pretty good incentive to take a shot at a potential winner? ""Yeah, that's a shame that Team A's life support gave out so close to the deadline. Thanks for the billion."" On the other hand, if Apollo cost ~25billion, for a few days or weeks in space, in 1970 dollars, then won't the reward have to be a lot more than only 1 billion to get any takers? -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: redekop@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Tzoq Mrekazh) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Welsh Farm Nntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 16 In article kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >So, one >should properly write ""Who's promiscuous?"" The answer is: ""Many >homosexuals are."" Not quite. The answer is: Many homosexuals, heterosexual, and bisexuals are, but then, many are not. Or, more simply: Lots of people are. -- o- Tzoq ""I am a good speller, I am -- C-A-T, dog... ^ ^ O o- tzoq@uwo.ca B-A-T, Rhode Island..."" `v' o- redekop@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca -- Junyer Bear ^ = Bernoulli would have been content to die, had he but known such a^2 cos 2phi = ";-1;0 "From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 71 In a previous article, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) says: >6. Your answer to the question concerning rights to return >conflicts with what I was told, namely that hundreds of thousands >of non-Jews who left for some reason or other the area under >Israel control during the war of 1947-8, were prevented from >returning for the sole reason they were not Jews. Jews who also >left, for example to Europe, to avoid the clashes, were allowed to >return. How can you justify such discrimination, if this is true ? >Is the mere fact of a person leaving area of combat to seek refuge >somewhere else a reason for stripping him of his right to live in >his homeland ? You are conveniently ommitting the fact that the Arab governments told the Arab citizens of Israel to leave Israel, join with the Arab armies so that after what they felt like an assured victory occured, these Arabs could return to their former homes, reclaim them as well as anything else they wanted that belonged to Jews. When the Arabs lost, Israel was left with a bunch of people who has just tried to kill them who now wanted back into the country as citizens. What would you have done? Let them in so they could kill Jews? Israel sees those Arabs who stayed as citizens because they were loyal to Israel during the war and didn't leave. Of course some Arabs could have left to avoid the fighting but distinguishing between the two is impossible. Therefore a decision was made based on secuturity of the country. >8. You maintain that there are some Israeli Arabs living in >Israeli kibbutzim. I wonder how many and where. There is very >little evidence available about that. As much as I know, many >Arabs are working *for* kibbutzim, even for many years, but are >not accepted as members. Could it be that kibbutzim do not want >Arabs ? No kibbutz that I have ever visited has any ""employees"" unless they had to hire some people for the restaurants, hotels etc if there weren't enough people ON the kibbutz to do them. In such cases, they are paid properly. If a kibbutz turns away an Arab, 9I have never seen or heard of this) but it reflects only on the membership comittee of that kibbutz, not the whole kibbutz movement. >to keep it what way'. I am certain that if only religious >communities in the U.S. would be asked, they would gladly abolish >civil marriage so that people would depend upon rabbis and priests >to officiate marriages. But Israel has always been ruled by a >secular majority. Your answer is not satisfactory. This just shows how ignorant you are of Israeli politics. Although the major parties in Israel aren't religious (however not totally secular), due to the format of the government (coalition) the religious parties have always had a lot of pull since they were needed to form a majority coalition. In fact, from what I heard the present government is the least influenced by the religious parties in the existance of Israel. Israel CANNOT be called a secular state. For instace, Haifa is the only city in the country (except for maybe some Arab cities) where buses run on the Jewish Sabbath. There are many other examples of religion in Israel. Marriages in Israel are NOT contolled by the state, but by Rabbis and Priests. Obviously your disbelief of this fact sheds some light of your ignorance of the country you claim to know so much about. Steve -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet: aa229@freenet.carleton.ca Fidonet: 1:163/109.18 | | Mossad@qube.ocunix.on.ca | | <> | ";-1;0 "From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: Will Italy be the Next Domino to Fall? Lines: 101 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article , ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: |>Will Italy be the Next Domino to Fall? |> |> |> |>Socialism may have collapsed in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Disunion |>but it lingers on in Western Europe and the United States. It remains |>the primary ideology in the hearts and minds of the liberal academia |>and media. But all the political correctness they can muster may not be |>sufficient to hold back the economic forces that threaten to spread |>socialism's collapse from the second world to the first. Indeed, it is |>becoming more apparent every day that socialism may not even survive |>the turn of the century. Ed of course has never demonstrated remarkable knowlege of socialism, or any other political system come to that. |>While the Swedes have already discarded their ""third way"" and the |>French have made history by turning out the Socialist Party in a |>record-setting defeat, it is Italy that appears most precariously |>on the edge of its political existence. That leaves Germany, Japan and the UK as examples of a country where the right wing government is on the verge of collapse. Oh and of course the USA which just elected a socialist government :-) |>Italy, today, is a basket-case even by European standards. It has |>introduced 17 new taxes in 5 months and public-sector revenue is at or |>near the 50% of GDP mark. Etc, unfortunately you can't pin this on the left or the right, both are to blame. Both sides are equally deep into the corruption scandal. The only untained party is the northern league which is a bunch of nationalist separatists and the communist party which has collapsed. |>In spite of this political gluteny, it has |>an annual deficit exceeding the sum of all other EC countries and a |>public debt 2.5 times that of Latin America. Italy is understandably |>having serious trouble selling its treasury bonds in the markets. And |>while Italy is an extreme case, it is anything but unique; all |>European governments appear headed in the same direction in spite of |>their nominally non-socialist governments. |> |>Unfortunately, Europeans being, well, Europeans, it is very unlikely |>that they will discover American-style liberty. Instead, they will |>likely lurch from socialism to fascism as quickly as they had moved |>from fascism to socialism never pausing along the way to reasseses the |>role of government, itself. I hope I am wrong. Ed should take a look at the budget deficit Regan and Bush created together before he starts to make claims about europe collapsing based on the budget deficits here. None of them are serious on the USA scale. And here in Europe we have zero interest in Ed-Ipser type freed thank you. We do not want our countries to be run by a narrow elite of rich lawyers for the benefit of the super wealthy. We are quite happy with social democracy and despite the fuss made in Time and Newsweek there is remarkably little being done to reverse the social welfare reforms brought in by socialism. The problem with socialism is that it started with the aims of free education and health care and provision of the welfare state. This has been achieved across the whole of Europe, only the USA is struggling to catch up. The problem for socialism is what to do now it has succeeded. |>Nobody ever claimed that the collapse of socialism would be pretty. |>The decline of the nation-state will probably lead first to anarchy |>since politicians always cut essential services before pork. Los |>Angeles has rampant crime and frantically waits for the next wave of |>riots but it has a spanking new subway that nobody wants to use and |>which, like every other public transit system in the world, will never |>be economically viable. (If you were trying to extort tax payers, |>which would you cut first, mass transit or police protection?) Ed starts to discus LA, presumably he thinks that it is in Europe. On the other hand he most probably hasn't heard of a European city. |>Thus does the world hurtle toward chaos even as the 21st century |>approaches. Rather the opposite. What is happening in Italy is that the communist party has collapsed. This has meant that the grand coalition between right and left wing parties to keep out the communists has also collapsed. The magistrates have seized this opportunity to crack down hard on fraud and corruption and have arrested half the politicians. The fact that the socialists are in charge this week is incidental, the right is into the corruption just as baddly. What looks likely to happen is the fringe parties are going to do much better in the next election. Most of the parliamentary deputies are going to get replaced and the parties are going to be forced to look to people who are free of any hint of corruption. Look out for a parliament of Pavarotti's and porn stars. Phill Hallam-Baker ";-1;0 "From: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Micheal Cranford) Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions Distribution: usa Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 37 Jim Brown wrote : [ deleted ] >I feel that those who use the KJV as a basis for arguing Biblical >contradictions are either being intellectually dishonest (purposefully >wanting to show the Bible in the worst light possible), or they are >being mentally lazy and are taking the easy way out. Either way, they >leave the theist the option of countering with, ""Well, that's just the >KJV, that's not what my XXX version says."" [ deleted ] Unfortunately, it's not that simple. The KJV is preferred by the majority of fundamentalists (at least here). The second part of your argument fails as well, since that statement can be used against any version (not just the KJV). [ deleted ] >I've based my argument on one of the best modern translations >available which is based on the work of the leading Biblical scholars."" [ deleted ] I would not find this statement to be very useful since it is an appeal to authority and the opposition will just claim that their authorities are ""better"". A second tact that local creationists have used is to reply ""but those scholars are atheists and cannot be believed"" (they will also use this phrase to describe any theologians that they don't agree with). [ deleted ] >>>/GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth >>>/cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted. [ deleted ] The verse being discussed clearly claims that sympathetic magic works (i.e. placing stripped sticks in the cattle breeding grounds causes stripped and spotted calves to be born) and should be attacked on that basis (no biologist has ever observed this claimed correlation). ";-1;0 "From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 12 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >I'm mostly angry why the Davidians didn't spare the children the >awful suffering. See my other posting, I'm in a bad temper. Well, dozens of children left the compound between the original BATF assualt and the FBI assault 7 weeks later. So if Koresh really wanted to kill children, why did he let so many go? -- Legalize Freedom ";-1;0 "From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Who, me??? Lines: 41 In article <1qme79$c0k@kyle.eitech.com> ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes: >In article <1qm36b$gn2@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >>In article <1qktj3$bn9@squick.eitech.com> ekr@squick.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) writes: >>#In article <1qkn1t$59l@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > >>#Like I said before, DES works whether I value my privacy or >>#not. >> >>O.K., which DES? The abstract function DES? that stops working in any >>important sense if no-one cares for the importance of truth, mathematics, >>meaning, information, etc. A DES chip or DES s/w? That stops working in any >>important sense if no-one values science, objective reality, etc. DES >>does not work in a value vacuum. Nothing else does, either. > >This is just truth by blatant assertion. Your ""in any important sense"" >seem to be just weasel words. Imagine that I have a box which >accepts 16 bytes and uses the first 8 to ECB the second 8. >It still does a perfect job of DESing, whether or not any input >is being made at the time--whether or not anyone values mathematics.. If no-one looks at the results, or acknowledges their correctness, in what meaningful sense can the chip be said to ""work""?? Does flibozity exist? By ""flibozity"", I mean a particular, extremely complex configuration of physical phenomena, which no-one, absolutely NO-ONE cares about in the slightest. Does it exist, Eric? Getting back to the question of whether the DES chip ""works"", doesn't ""work"" mean something like ""achieving the desired/expected effect""? Note the way intentionality subtly underlies that definition. Even if we take the definition as ""expected"", instead of ""desired"", can you deny that conformance to expectations is itself a value of sorts, namely the scientific values of accuracy-of-prediction and reproducibility-of-results? The phenomenologist Husserl, for one, considered Intentionality to be the primary ontological ""stuff"" from which all other ontology was built -- perceptions, consciousness, thoughts, etc. Frank is by no means alone in seeing intentionality (or ""values"", as he puts it) underlying all human experience, even the so-called ""objective"" experiences, such as measurements of the natural world, or the output of your DES chip. - Kevin ";-1;0 "From: walkup@cs.washington.edu (Elizabeth Walkup) Subject: Re: Menangitis question Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle Distribution: na Lines: 19 In article <19439@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >... the neiseria meningococcus is one of the most common >forms of meningitis. It's the one that sometimes sweeps >schools or boot camp. It is contagious and kills by attacking >the covering of the brain, causing the blood vessels to thrombose >and the brain to swell up. > > ... > >It can live in the throat of carriers. Don't worry, you won't get >it from them, especially if they took the medication. Assuming one has been cultured as having a throat laden with neiseria meningococcus and given (and taken) a course of ERYC without the culture becoming negative, should one worry about being a carrier? -- Elizabeth walkup@cs.washington.edu ";4;1 "From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) Subject: XTERM patches for Alpha OSF 1.2? Article-I.D.: coe.1993Apr22.233646.20017 Organization: CS Lines: 24 Well, after massaging the Dec.cf, osf.def, (can't remember the exact names) from OSF into my normal X11R5 distribution, everything compiles and links fine, but xterm doesn't run. Warning: Representation size 8 must match superclass's to override background Warning: translation table syntax error: Modifier or '<' expected Warning: ... found while parsing 'p^#j?;'P)=#' X Error of failed request: BadColor (invalid Colormap parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 85 (X_AllocNamedColor) Resource id in failed request: 0x0 Serial number of failed request: 18 Current serial number in output stream: 18 Other than this, all the other core X stuff seems to be working OK. Any hints/tips appreciated, patches would be primo. Thanks. -- Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager (406) 994-4780 410 Roberts Hall,Dept. of Computer Science Montana State University,Bozeman MT 59717 osyjm@cs.montana.edu ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenian slaughter of more than 600,000 Kurdish people in 1915. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 21 Source: Hassan Arfa, ""The Kurds,"" (London, 1968), pp. 25-26. ""When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after the Sarikamish disaster of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of irregular Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of these was commanded by a certain Andranik, a blood-thirsty adventurer. These Armenian volunteers committed all kinds of excesses, more than six hundred thousand Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in the eastern vilayets of Turkey."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: mbkolodn@unix.amherst.edu (MICHAEL BRIAN KOLODNER) Subject: How many israeli soldiers does it take to Organization: Amherst College X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 2 Boy that was really humorous. I'm impressed by your incredible senses of wit, sarcasm and propriety. Mind if I post jokes about your mother? ";-1;0 "From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Sorcerer's Apprentice Cleaning Services In-Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 11:18:47 -0500 Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 28 For example, I don't own a cordless phone. With Clipper, I would. If the local men in blue really want to listen to me talk to my friends or order pizza, I'm no worse off than I am now, and I don't have to worry about local kids or nosy neighbors. I do tend to agree. Sigh. So, where can I buy a DES-encrypted cellular phone? How much does it cost? Of course, if we didn't have government monopolies on cellular phone service, there probably *would* be some available. > How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of > providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making > the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ? The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind. The Second Amendment is especially apt, given the ITAR definitions of crypto equipment as munitions, and the gun-control people's increasing ability to define things as ""assault weapons"" and make them illegal. Triple-DES is obviously used for ""assault phones"", while Cripple will be legal, and Triple-Cripple may fall into the gray area of ""illegally upgrading to an assault phone""... -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace.... # White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 ";-1;0 "From: eeerik@cc.newcastle.edu.au Subject: Color palette for 256 color VGA rainbow Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA Lines: 11 Does anybody out there have or know how to calculate the RGB values required to set the 256 color VGA palette so that the colors from 0..255 will give 256 colors of the rainbow ie red, orange, yellow, etc. Any help would be appreciated. Please email to eeerik@cc.newcastle.edu.au Erik de Castro Lopo, Dept. Electrical & Computer Eng., Uni. of Newcastle, Australia. ";-1;0 "From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) Subject: Re: Uninterruptible Power Supply Organization: your service Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com I'm no expert at UPS's, but you said something that made it sound like you didn't realize something. On a typical UPS (well, on ours, anyway), there is NO switchover from AC to DC. All the protected equipment is ALWAYS running from the batteries (via an inverter), with the usual condition of also having them on charge. If the power fails, big deal - the computers never see it (until the batteries start to droop, but there's something like 60 car-sized batteries in that cabinet, so it takes a while). If you were gonna run the guts on straight DC instead of an inverter, why not do it all the time? Then there'd be no switchover to screw things up, and no having to sense the failure fast. Just keep the DC on charge when the power is on, and it'll be there in zero time when you ""need"" it. Just some ideas. Can't guarantee what'll work or not, but hope at least SOME of this helped. ";-1;0 "From: mikey@eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com (Mike Yang) Subject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events Reply-To: mikey@sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com In article , buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) writes: |> (2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered) How can we resist a questions that says something like this? |> The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window |> is already visible and mapped. What we need to do is somehow ""tickle"" the |> Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable |> it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item. |> |> What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior? If your Expose event handler is truly intelligent about exposed rectangle information, then you can use XClearArea to generate an Expose event (assuming that your background pixel is not None) for the enclosing rectangle of your new item. This is still not great, since any other items contained within that rectangle will still be unnecessarily redrawn. If your Expose event handler simply redraws everything, you'll be doing much more work than just drawing the new item ""on top"" of the existing scene. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Yang Silicon Graphics, Inc. mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786 ";-1;0 "From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: LCIII->PowerPC? Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 10 mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky) writes: >Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor. >I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip. >Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS >slot. Is that true? Don't believe the hype. There is no such thing as a PowerPC slot. -Hades ";-1;0 "From: hans@xelion.nl (Hans Bos) Subject: Save Under with X11R5 Keywords: Save Under, X11R5 Organization: Xelion bv Lines: 26 I have the following problem on X11R5 servers. When a window of my is obscured by a pop up window which has the Save Under attribute set, the subwindows of my window are not restored. Normally, the subwindows are redrawn when the parent window gets an expose event, but because the save under attribute is used for the pop up window that obscured my window, no expose event is sent. When ExposureMask is set for the child windows, those windows are correctly updated when the popup window disappears, however then the application gets too many expose events and you see extra redraws. Everything works fine with X11R4. Is this something that is changed between X11R4 and X11R5 (obvious)? Is it something I do wrong? Is there something that the popup window should do (which is also mine)? Is this a bug in X11 release 5? Greetings, -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Bos domain : hans@xelion.nl Xelion BV uucp : ...!sun4nl!xelion!hans Postbus 88 phone : +31 15 622121 ";-1;0 "From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 19 Two follow up's to Mark's last posting: 1. As far as current investigations, the Church recently declared the crying statue and corresponding messages from Mary at Akita, Japan as approved (I found this out about a month ago.) 2. Again in the proof department, start with the appearances of Mary at Fatima. Among other things, there were pictures taken of the ""miracle of the sun"" that appeared in some major American newspaper (The New York Times, I believe) as well as most of the major European newspapers. I could talk (or post) for hours on this topic, but... (I have a thesis to write). God Bless, - Mike Walker P.S. Anyone want info, I have more. mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ";-1;0 "From: oberto@genes.icgeb.trieste.it (Jacques Oberto) Subject: Re: HELP!!! GRASP Organization: ICGEB Lines: 33 CBW790S@vma.smsu.edu.Ext (Corey Webb) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.160944.20236W@baron.edb.tih.no> >havardn@edb.tih.no (Haavard Nesse,o92a) writes: >> >>Could anyone tell me if it's possible to save each frame >>of a .gl (grasp) animation to .gif, .jpg, .iff or any other >>picture formats. >> > > If you have the GRASP animation system, then yes, it's quite easy. >You simply use GLIB to extract the image (each ""frame"" in a .GL is >actually a complete .PCX or .CLP file), then use one of MANY available >utilities to convert it. If you don't have the GRASP package, I'm afraid >I can't help you. Sorry. > By the way, before you ask, GRASP (GRaphics Animation System for >Professionals) is a commercial product that sells for just over US$300 >from most mail-order companies I've seen. And no, I don't have it. :) > > > Corey Webb > There are several public domain utilities available at your usual archive site that allow 'extraction' of single frames from a .gl file, check in the 'graphics' directories under *grasp. The problem is that the .clp files you generate cannot be decoded by any of the many pd format converters I have used. Any hint welcome! Let me know if you have problems locating the utilities. Hope it helps. -- Jacques Oberto ";-1;0 "From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 56 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark 'Mark' Sachs) says: >In article <1qhr73$a8d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu >(Broward Horne) says: >> It sure does appear that way, doesn't it? > >The attitude that people are stupid if they don't agree with you is not >going to bring you great success in life. Free advice, there. HAHAHAHAHAH. Oh, CHRIST! Oh, HAHAHAHAH. whew. Mark, what on EARTH makes you think I give a FUCK about being a ""success"", particularly NOW when I'll just the HELL taxed out of me? Oh, this is excellent. Holy christ! :) Besides, let's examine the record, shall we? Broward: "" Clinton's going to taxe the HOLY FUCK out of you! "" Mark: "" No, he's not. Only $17 / month "" ( I STILL get a laugh out of this one! :) ) Broward: "" Oh, here comes a National Sales Tax "" Clinton Supporter: "" Oh, no, Bill never said that "" Want some more ""free predictions"" ? :) >> It always makes me smile, to see George Bush used to defend >> Bill Clinton. Can you imagine anything sadder than to be left >> with GEorge Bush as a final argument? > >True. The Republicans did look pretty pathetic in November of '92. >:-) Yup. They surely did. Almost as pathetic as Clinton suppoters are looking in April of 93. Well, chumbo, I see my my watch here that my ""appointment"" at the lake is about 2 hours past due! :) You'll let me know who the ""full-time"" working thing works out, won't you? I want to enjoy EVERY minute of my free time and FREE health care ( the ONLY reason I would have gone back to working! :) THANKS, BILL! :) ) ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace From: Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters) Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-,world Organization: University of Wyoming Nntp-Posting-Host: sheriff.uwyo.edu Lines: 13 >Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace >for DOS at the same time. >ie Can I access a file on another PC while being logged on to the >mainframe at the same time, simultaneously. Yup. We're using both and they work just fine. Hopefully, someday WFWG will communicate over LWP TCPIP. Right now we have to load NetBeui. I use ODI with ODINSUP and all works well. ";-1;0 "From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU (""Jonathan A. Cook "") Subject: Stuff for sale- music Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 19 CDs ($9 ea inc shipping) --- Jesus Jones, DOUBT Residents, HEAVEN? REM, DOCUMENT Nymphs, SAD AND DAMNED single Tapes ----- Robert Plant, all solo stuff Led Zeppelin IV Tshirts ------- Robert Plant, Manic Nirvana tour Led Zeppelin, Symbols/Swansong black Bob Dylan, 1990 tour tie-dye All offers accepted. Mail to jac2y@virginia.edu ";8;1 "From: bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) Subject: Re: Dir Yassin (was Re: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freeman, with blood greetings from Israel) Nntp-Posting-Host: virginia Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY Lines: 123 In article hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.141518.13900@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: > > CHECK MENAHEM BEGIN DAIRIES (published book) you'll find accounts of the > massacres there including Deir Yassen, > though with the numbers of massacred men, children and women are > greatly minimized. There is no known writing directly attributable to Menachem Begin which admits a massacre at Deir Yassin. Thus, Hasan is wrong. >As per request of Hasan: > >From _The Revolt_, by Menachem Begin, Dell Publishing, NY, 1977: > >[pp. 225-227] > > ""Apart from the military aspect, there is a moral aspect to the >story of Dir Yassin. At that village, whose name was publicized >throughout the world, both sides suffered heavy casualties. We had >four killed and nearly forty wounded. The number of casualties was >nearly forty percent of the total number of the attackers. The Arab >troops suffered casualties neraly three times as heavy. The fighting The word ""troops"" is unjustified. There has never been any evidence that there were any regular or irregular Arab forces in the village apart from the villagers defending themselves. According to the Haganah observer Pa'il, the Irgun/Lehi forces suffered a lot of casualties because they were incompetent soldiers. When they ran into trouble securing the central part of the village, a small group of Palmach soldiers came and took it without a single casualty. Begin's failure to even mention the Palmach is only one of the major inaccuracies (to use a kind word) in his account. Incidentally, ""three times as heavy"" may be correct, as there is serious evidence that the Arab loss was closer to 120 lives than to the oft-quoted 250 lives. However, note that Begin compares wounded Jews to dead Arabs. He fails to mention the number of wounded Arabs. Guess why. >was thus very severe. Yet the hostile propaganda, disseminated >throughout the world, deliberately ignored the fact that the civilian >population of Dir Yassin was actually given a warning by us before the >battle began. One of our tenders carrying a loud speaker was stationed >at the entrance to the village and it exhorted in Arabic all women, >children and aged to leave their houses and to take shelter on the >slopes of the hill. By giving this humane warning our fighters threw >away the element of complete surprise, and thus increased their own >risk in the ensuing battle. As is thoroughly established by many sources, the loudspeaker truck got stuck in a ditch too far from the village for it to provide a usueful warning. >A substantial number of the inhabitants >obeyed the warning and they were unhurt. A few did not leave their >stone houses - perhaps because of the confusion. The fire of the enemy >was murderous - to which the number of our casualties bears eloquent >testimony. Our men were compelled to fight for every house; to >overcome the enemy they used large numbers of hand grenades. And the >civilians who had disregarded our warnings suffered inevitable >casualties. > > ""The education which we gave our soldiers throughout the years of >revolt was based on the observance of the traditional laws of war. We >never broke them unless the enemy first did so and thus forced us, in >accordance with the accepted custom of war, to apply reprisals. I am >convinced, too, that our officers and men wished to avoid a single >unnecessary casualty in the Dir Yassin battle. But those who throw >stones of denunciation at the conquerors of Dir Yassin [1] would do >well not to don the cloak of hypocrisy [2]. > > ""In connection with the capture of Dir Yassin the Jewish Agency >found it necessary to send a letter of apology to Abdullah, whom Mr. >Ben Gurion, at a moment of great political emotion, called 'the wise >ruler who seeks the good of his people and this country.' The 'wise >ruler,' whose mercenary forces demolished Gush Etzion and flung the >bodies of its heroic defenders to birds of prey, replied with feudal >superciliousness. He rejected the apology and replied that the Jews >were all to blame and that he did not believe in the existence of >'dissidents.' Throughout the Arab world and the world at large a wave >of lying propaganda was let loose about 'Jewish attrocities.' > > ""The enemy propaganda was designed to besmirch our name. In the >result it helped us. Panic overwhelmed the Arabs of Eretz Israel. >Kolonia village, which had previously repulsed every attack of the >Haganah, was evacuated overnight and fell without further fighting. >Beit-Iksa was also evacuated. These two places overlooked the main >road; and their fall, together with the capture of Kastel by the >Haganah, made it possible to keep open the road to Jerusalem. In the >rest of the country, too, the Arabs began to flee in terror, even >before they clashed with Jewish forces. Not what happened at Dir >Yassin, but what was invented about Dir Yassin, helped to carve the >way to our decisive victories on the battlefield. The legend of Dir >Yassin helped us in particular in the saving of Tiberias and the >conquest of Haifa."" It is worth noting how Begin disputes the standard myth that the Palestinian Arabs fled as part of a calculated plan. >[1] (A footnote from _The Revolt_, pp.226-7.) ""To counteract the loss >of Dir yassin, a village of strategic importance, Arab headquarters at >Ramallah broadcast a crude atrocity story, alleging a massacre by >Irgun troops of women and children in the village. Certain Jewish >officials, fearing the Irgun men as political rivals, seized upon this >Arab gruel propaganda to smear the Irgun. An eminent Rabbi was induced >to reprimand the Irgun before he had time to sift the truth. Out of >evil, however, good came. This Arab propaganda spread a legend of >terror amongst Arabs and Arab troops, who were seized with panic at >the mention of Irgun soldiers. The legend was worth half a dozen >battalions to the forces of Israel. The `Dir Yassin Massacre' lie >is still propagated by Jew-haters all over the world."" Apparently 90% of Israeli historians are Jew-haters. >[2] In reference to denunciation of Dir Yassin by fellow Jews. I have previously posted quotations by Irgun participants that totally destroys Begin's whitewash. I have no particular desire to post it yet again. Brendan. (normally bdm@cs.anu.edu.au) ";-1;0 "From: martimer@jaguar.WPI.EDU (the random one...) Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.wpi.edu In article <1993Apr19.211400.1@hirama.hiram.edu> koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) writes: >VHS movie for sale. > >Dance with Wovies ($12.00) ^^^^^^ what the hell ios a 'wovie' ?? (wovy (sp))?? -- From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere Dr. Suess ..jonathan Sawitsky 'some random wierdo' martimer@wpi.wpi.edu... ";-1;0 "From: night@acm.rpi.edu (Trip Martin) Subject: Re: Printing Article-I.D.: rpi.gxt5g=_ Reply-To: night@acm.rpi.edu Distribution: na Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu In <2943988816.0.p00020@psilink.com> ""Jack Previdi"" writes: > As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference. > Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year, > many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial > use of Internet is no more. This is true, but long-standing tradition has been to keep commercial advertising in the biz.* hierarchy. -- Trip Martin night@acm.rpi.edu night%acm.rpi.edu@rpi.edu ";8;1 "From: bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents) Organization: Oce Graphics USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 41 Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote: : : All I have to say is...yeah, right. If you're willing to pay them : mucho big bucks and/or use the routines *they* tell you to do. : Doesn't sound very reasonable to me. All I have to say is this is full of shit. I have negotiated a license and the bucks are incredibly reasonable with an upfront charge on a sliding scale depending on your capitalization. If you are a startup and can't afford it you can't afford to start up in the first place. Why do people insist on making unequivocal statements about that which they know nothing. : : But I don't guess PKP and RSA are interested in big bucks. Maybe : they have some other agenda? Secure communications only for : government agents, perhaps? Have you considered treatment for paranoia? The government is the single biggest thorn in RSA's side. : : Some limitation. Let me guess: don't use the code in any way PKP or : RSA doesn't like....such as...providing secure communications for the : average citizen. That was exactly its purpose if you know anything about it. There is nothing at all preventing the average citizen using it, only selling it. : : I hope my cynicism is misplaced here. Go ahead...I'm not afraid to : be wrong every once in a while. But, I have an uneasy feeling that I : am right. :( It is and you are wrong yet you emotionally state a bunch of crap as fact with a tiny disclaimer at the end. Check your facts first and grow up. Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography and immaturity I wonder. Bob Cain (normally rcain@netcom.com) ";16;1 "From: crrob@sony1.sdrc.com (Rob Davis) Subject: Re: DRIVE Summary: ** Honda XR-100R Dirt Bike for sale ** MINT! Lines: 10 For Sale: 1987 Honda XR-100R dirt bike. Bought new from dealer in 1989. Ridden only 4 hours, garage kept and well cared for. The bike is in MINT condition; perfect size for lady or young adult. price: $600 firm. You will not be disappointed. Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana inquiries preferred please. work: (513) - 576-5986. Leave voicemail please. Rob Davis, Cincinnati Ohio. Again, this is a new bike. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 58 Jason Kratz (U28037@uicvm.uic.edu) writes: > PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) says: > >Jason Kratz writes: > > > >Don't be silly. Of course you can. The police have everything > >the gangs have and then some. Plus they've got access to the > >National Guard (via the Governor) if things get too rough. That's > >tanks for those of you who've never seen them at play. Of course, > >they've got rifles and helicopters. > > > >And as far as fully-automatic weapons, you can be a lot better > >armed if you want to hit what you aim at. > > What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally > blown out of proportion. In my post I was referring to your > regular patrolman in a car cruising around the city vs. gang > members. Of course the police have access to the things that you > mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the time? Of > course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make. Every > day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The > majority that I see are still carrying revolvers. Not that there > is anything wrong with a revolver but if you're a cop that is up > against some gang member with a couple of automatics in his coat (I > mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a disadvantage even > with training. how so? i think you're making assumptions here that might not necessarily be true. -my- personal choice would be a semi-auto, but revolvers are just as effective, if not more so. > I have been at a shooting range where gang gang members were > ""practicing"" shooting. They were actually practicing taking out > their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target and they > weren't doing too badly either. relevancy, please? you sound shocked, but that hardly proves anything. > The University cops here (who are are state cops) are armed better > than the Chicago police. It seems most state cops are. I don't > know where you are originally from David but you live in Tennesse > and I live in Chicago and see this crap everyday on the news and in > the papers. I think the situation is just a tad different here > than there. wait, doesn't Chicago have -serious- gun control? if so, why do the police need all that firepower in the first place? (sarcasm alert) all the patrol cars i've seen around here have shotguns clamped to the dash board. IMHO, that's all the police need to outgun just about anything. jason -- `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` `,` The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data `,` `,` is Life -- The Player's Litany, from _The Long Run_ by D.K. Moran `,` `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,` ";-1;0 "From: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ) Subject: Adlib sound board for sale! Lines: 17 Organization: Dakota State University Lines: 17 I have an Adlib sound board for sale. It includes the original disks, and I'll throw in a Windows 3.1 .WAV sound file driver. For those of you that are using your PC Speaker for games, this will be a much welcomed board for your PC! $70.00 includes shipping to your home or office. Email: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Bitz Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu Research and Development bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu Dakota State University Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet ";-1;0 "From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my.... Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Lines: 80 In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't >seem to realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. So what. We think you're pretty hilarious too. I love how you Brit's kiss royal arse. That you're willing to throw out freedom-of-speech for the sake of protecting the reputation of the royal sluts. That the British government advertised in American newspapers ""Send A Gun to Defend a British Home -- British civilians, faced with threat of invasion, desperately need arms for the defense of their homes."" during WWII. [American Rifleman November, 1940] That The Obscene Publications Act and the Misuse of Drugs Act have been used as justification for the police to seize masterpieces such as William S. Burrough's ""Junky"", Hunter Thompson's ""Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas"", and Tom Wolfe's ""The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test"". British courts have never recognized the right to assemble or to demonstrate. That evidence obtained form coerced confessions is allowed in a trial. That only serious felonies warrant a trial by jury. That suspected terrorists must prove their innocence, instead of the government having to prove their guilt. That the secretary of state may issue an ""exclusionary order"" which bars someone from ever entering a particular part of the United Kingdom, such as Northern Ireland or Wales. That the BBC banned Paul McCartney's ""Give Ireland Back to the Irish"" as well as John Lennon's ""Give Peace a Chance"" during the Gulf War. Yes, England is very very funny. And very pathetic. >I knew somebody else who went to one of your ""Gun-mart"" superstore >places, just so he could experience the sight of people putting guns >and ammo into shopping carts! I didn't believe it myself until I >drove by one in Vegas last year!!! So what. Laughter is a way of dealing with things we find uncomfortable. I thought the ""Las Vegas Show Girl"" ads on Las Vegas street corners were pretty funny. Yes indeed, there are many strange and wonderous things in this country. I wouldn't have it any other way. >Now that I live in Britain, I can see how the rest of the civilized world >perceives you gun-nut morons. The BBC recently referred to the American >penchant for pistols, automatic weapons,etc. very appropriately - it was >called a ""national eccentricity."" I don't disagree with that, I don't think it's bad either. >The only problem is that Canada, I hear, is suffering from your national >eccentricity, in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the >border. So what. If they didn't come from here they would come from elsewhere disguised as cocaine. >Anyway, all you gun nut Rush Limbaugh fans, please *keep* up your diatribes >against Brady and other evil ""Liberal media"" plots - you 're so damn funny! >You provide endless amounts of entertainment in your arguments and examples >of why someone should be allowed to carry a piece! Keep us all chuckling! You can laugh all you want, for us it's a matter of life or death. I don't find that funny in the least. As for England: ""As our allies become more open, Britain grow yet more secretive and censorious. Perhaps the real British vice is passivity, a willingness to tolerate constraints which others would find unbearble."" [in ""Britain, An Unfree Country"" by Terrence DeQuesne and Edward Goodman, pp 33.] -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com ";-1;0 "From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) Subject: Re: legal car buying problems Organization: University of Oregon Lines: 41 Distribution: ca NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr20.143930.13144@chpc.org>, rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes... >In article <9285.27317@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> > bob@runway.swdc.stratus.com (Bob Hutson) writes: >>After agreeing to terms I signed the contract and drove home in my new >>car. Later that same night I noticed that the terms in the were >>different from the terms I had agreed to. (I made the stupid mistake >>of not checking everything on the contract). This all happened last >>Saturday. >>I have heard that there is a ""cooling-off"" law allowing me three days >>to reconsider the contract. Is this true? Can anyone point me to the >>law? The transaction happened at the dealership, if it matters. >This cooling off period applies only in certain situations - lik ewhen >you are solicited at home. I also think the cooling off period ends >if you actually accept the merchandise. >If this were not the case, any car buyer would have the right to return >a slightly used, highly devalued, car 2 days after buying it. Yeah - >that's the trick - if I want to buy a new car, I'd have a firend buy >& return one, then go in and negotiate a better deal on a pre-owned >used car. FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY On the other hand, if it can be proven, it's possible the changed terms could be thrown out. The question will be whether the agreement contains a merger clause. See UCC @ 2-202 (parol evidence). If we're talking about warranties, then, of course, UCC @ 2-316 should be looked at. But we have so little information that none of us can say anything conclusive. Daniel Reitman ""The Uniform Commercial Code protects the innocent purchaser, but it is not a shield for the sly conniver, the blindly naive, or the hopelessly gullible."" Atlas Auto Rental Corp. v. Weisberg, 54 Misc. 2d 168, 172, 281 N.Y.S.2d 400, 405 (N.Y. City Civ. Ct. 1967). ";-1;0 "From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Lines: 66 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1993Apr16.164750.21913@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >In article <9304151442.AA05233@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes: >> Well, it seems the ""National Sales Tax"" has gotten its very > >> own CNN news LOGO! >> >> Cool. That means we'll be seeing it often. >> >> Man, I sure am GLAD that I quit working ( or taking this >> seriously ) in 1990. If I kept busting my ass, watching >> time go by, being frustrated, I'd be pretty DAMN MAD by >> now. >> >> I just wish I had the e-mail address of total gumby who >> was saying that "" Clinton didn't propose a NST "". >> > >Actually, Jerry Brown essentially did...and Clinton, in his demagogue >persona, condemned Brown for it in the crucial NY primary last year. > >However.... > >Why don't the Republicans get their act together, and say they >will support a broad-based VAT that would have to be visible >(the VAT in Canada is visible unlike the invisible VATS they >have in Europe) >and suggest a rate sufficient to halve income and corporate >and capital gains tax rates and at a rate sufficient to give >the Clintons enough revenue for their health care reform, The Republicans are, in general, fighting any tax increase. There is also worry that a VAT would be far too easy to increase incrementally. (BTW, what is different between Canada's tax and most of Europe's that makes it ""visible?"") >and >force an agreement with the Democrats that the top income tax >rate would then be frozen for the forseeable future and could >be increased only via a national referendum. This would require a constitutional amendment, and Congress enjoys raising taxes too much to restrict themselves like that. (Besides, with the 2/3 majority necessary to pull that off you'd have a difficult time ""forcing"" anything like that.) >Why not make use of the Clintons to do something worthwhile... >shift the tax burden from investment to consumption, and get >health care reform, and a frozen low top marginal tax rate >all in one fell swoop. Primarily because it's a practical impossibility to ""freeze"" tax rates. However, this is something that bothers me. We're always talking about ""consumer confidence"" and ""consumer spending"" as gauges for the economy. If they really are important, wouldn't shifting taxes to consumption provide a disincentive to spend money? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" ";-1;0 "From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. In-Reply-To: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM's message of Fri, 23 Apr 93 09: 06:09 BST Organization: Compaq Computer Corp <1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net> <19930423.010821.639@almaden.ibm.com> Lines: 14 >>>>> On Fri, 23 Apr 93 09:06:09 BST, nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) said: GS> How about transferring control to a non-profit organisation that is GS> able to accept donations to keep craft operational. I seem to remember NASA considering this for some of the Apollo equipment left on the moon, but that they decided against it. Or maybe not... -- Ed McCreary ,__o edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, ""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) ";2;1 "From: djf@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Marvin Batty) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk Organization: Starfleet, Coventry, UK Lines: 30 In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: >From the article ""What's New"" Apr-16-93 in sci.physics.research: > >........ >WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC > >1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE ""SPINOFFS"" WE WERE PROMISED? >In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published ""The >Man Who Sold the Moon,"" which involved a dispute over the sale of >rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this > hideous vision of the future. Observers were >startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the >pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the >side of the booster rockets. Things could be worse. A lot worse! In the mid-eighties the teen/adult sci-fi comic 2000AD (Fleetway) produced a short story featuring the award winning character ""Judge Dredd"". The story focussed on an advertising agency of the future who use high powered multi-coloured lasers/search lights pointed at the moon to paint images on the moon. Needless to say, this use hacked off a load of lovers, romantics and werewolfs/crazies. The ad guys got chopped, the service discontinued. A cautionary tale indeed! Marvin Batty. -- **************************************************************************** Marvin Batty - djf@uk.ac.cov.cck ""And they shall not find those things, with a sort of rafia like base, that their fathers put there just the night before. At about 8 O'clock!"" ";-1;0 "From: hsieh@ipld04.hac.com (Julia Hsieh) Subject: How to reach Micron Distribution: na Lines: 15 Does anyone know how to reach Micron? I am interested in getting some specifics about what types of monitors work with their Micron Xceed card for the se/30. either e-mail or phone number would be prefered. Or if you have the answers to my questions, i'd appreciate a reply. Thanks. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- julia hsieh My opinions are not intended to reflect hsieh@ipld01.hac.com those of Hughes Aircraft Company. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) Subject: Re: Aguilera Causes Cardiac Arrest Organization: Purdue University Lines: 21 In article <1qi97dINNemh@phakt.usc.edu> wagner@phakt.usc.edu (Loren Wagner) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.123722.24506@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@mayo.edu writes: >> >>Maybe you would rather have Ron Davis back ???? :^) >> > >The truly amazing thing was how many years this bum was the closer for the >Twins. You'd have thought they could find *somebody* better. > >Don Daybell >wagner@usc.edu Going into the ninth with a 3 run lead, ...2 runs score...runners on first and second...RD throws, ""there's a drive waaaaaayyyyyyy back, Puckett to the wall, leaps, He CAUGHT THE BALL!!!! WHAT A CATCH BY KIRBY!! TWINS WIN!"" and RD gets the save. His line 1 IP, 2 walks, 2 hits, and one robbed home run... paul ";-1;0 "From: tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Article-I.D.: lynx.1993Apr15.222023.1521 Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Lines: 10 In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: > >So you feel that the defendents should have been convicted regardless of the >evidence. Now that would truely be a sad day for civil rights. I don't know about everybody else, but to me, they should have been convicted BECAUSE of the evidence, which in my mind was quite sufficient. Tom ";-1;0 "From: gibsonm@cs.arizona.edu (Matthew H Gibson) Subject: WIN 3.1 comm drivers replacements (question) Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson Lines: 14 Has anyone had any experience with a replacement comm driver for windows called TurboComm. I read about it in PCMag Apr 23 1993 and am interested but not willing to shell out the 45 bucks the company wants just to try it out. It supposedly eleminates the problems that occur during a high speed file transfer and a disk access made by another program running at the same time. If anyone has any pro/cons about this product, i would be very inter ested to hear them. Please Email at the address give below. THANKS. Matthew Gibson gibsonm@cs.arizona.edu . ";-1;0 "From: bradley@grip.cis.upenn.edu (John Bradley) Subject: XV 3.00 has escaped! Organization: GRASP Lab, University of Pennsylvania Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: grip.cis.upenn.edu No, not another false alarm, not a ""It'll certainly be done by *next* week"" message... No, this is the real thing. I repeat, this is *not* a drill! Batten down the hatches, hide the women, and lock up the cows, XV 3.00 has finally escaped. I was cleaning its cage this morning when it overpowered me, broke down the office door, and fled the lab. It was last seen heading in the general direction of export.lcs.mit.edu at nearly 30k per second... If found, it answers to the name of 'contrib/xv-3.00.tar.Z'. Have a blast. I'm off to the vacation capital of the U.S.: Waco, Texas. --jhb ";-1;0 "From: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jim L) Subject: Need Sharp 6220, T2000 parts, information Distribution: world Organization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company) Lines: 23 I'm looking for a Sharp 6220 or TI Travelmate 2000 for parts. Mine has a bad RAM chip on the motherboard and I want to see what I can get for parts before sending it off to Sharp for repairs. If you have one, drop me a line. Also, I'm trying to set one up for a friend who needs to read his old 5 1/4 inch diskettes. Anyone have the pinout of the diskette expansion connector on the back of the 3.5 inch floppy box? If you respond, please include a phone number. I can't always get through with email. As always, Thanks, Jim Lewczyk -- Mailer address is buggy! Reply to: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.com James Lewczyk 1-303-223-5100 x9267 NCR-MPD Fort Collins, CO jim.lewczyk@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM ";-1;0 "From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) Subject: Re: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1 Organization: Rice University Lines: 6 Could y'all PLEASE stop posting this stuff to tx.general. tx.politics is sufficient and is where this stuff belongs. Thanks. Cathy -- Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu ";-1;0 "From: glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover) Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Nntp-Posting-Host: unseen1.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr06.020021.186145@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >Suppose the Soviets had managed to get their moon rocket working >and had made it first. They could have beaten us if either: >* Their rocket hadn't blown up on the pad thus setting them back, >and/or >* A Saturn V went boom. The Apollo fire was harsh, A Saturn V explosion would have been hurtful but The Soviets winning would have been crushing. That could have been *the* technological turning point for the US turning us from Today's ""We can do anything, we're *the* Super Power"" to a much more reserved attitude like the Soviet Program today. Kennedy was gone by 68\69, the war was still on is the east, I think the program would have stalled badly and the goal of the moon by 70 would have been dead with Nasa trying to figure were they went wrong. >If they had beaten us, I speculate that the US would have gone >head and done some landings, but we also would have been more >determined to set up a base (both in Earth Orbit and on the >Moon). Whether or not we would be on Mars by now would depend >upon whether the Soviets tried to go. Setting up a lunar base >would have stretched the budgets of both nations and I think >that the military value of a lunar base would outweigh the value >of going to Mars (at least in the short run). Thus we would >have concentrated on the moon. I speulate that: +The Saturn program would have been pushed into the 70s with cost over runs that would just be too evil. Nixon still wins. +The Shuttle was never proposed and Skylab never built. +By 73 the program stalled yet again under the fuel crisis. +A string of small launches mark the mid seventies. +By 76 the goal of a US man on the moon is dead and the US space program drifts till the present day. >/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ >| ""I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving | >| the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the | >| Moon and returning him safely to the Earth."" | >| | ";-1;0 "From: mgengelb@cs.ruu.nl (Marcel Engelbertink) Subject: NO MORE ROLEX-IMITATIONS Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 28 Jammer ! Dit is geen fantastische advertentie over nep-rolexen maar een evenzo duidelijke mededeling hieromtrent : Aangezien het alleen al aanbieden van deze horloges onder vermelding van de echte merknaam niet geheel correct is, wil ik met dit bericht duidelijk maken dat ik, Marcel Engelbertink, niet meer zal adverteren met imitatie-horloges van het merk ROLEX. Enig persoon die hierin geiinteresseerd is kan ik jammer genoeg ook niet meer helpen. For all the foreign people who can't even understand dutch ?!? : In spite of earlier mailing about fake-rolex's, I announce that I don't have any information available any longer and I won't use the trade name ROLEX anymore for those fake models. Yours fakefully, M.G. Engelbertink ";8;1 "From: bts@rock.concert.net (Bruce T Smith -- Personal Account) Subject: Disappearing hard drive in LC? Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX Lines: 31 The internal HD in my LC disappeared for a day last week, and I'd like to hear any (reasonable) theories folks can suggest for what happened. It is an LC, with 10MB of RAM and an 80MB internal drive, running system 7.1, with a few SCSI devices in a (so far as I know) properly terminated chain. I had shut down the system for a day-- I was out of town and we sometimes have thunderstorms this time of year-- and upon restarting got a blinking question mark. I booted from a floppy and saw that my external HD seemed okay, but there was no sign of the internal. I installed a system folder on the external and was, indeed, able to boot from it. I tried things like Disk First Aid and Silverlining, to inquire about the internal drive. They either could not find it or got errors in trying to talk to it. (Silverlining claimed it was a Connor drive, but it is a Quantum... ) Well, I'd backed things up, so I was able to work. But, at some point I noticed that the internal had reappeared. Now, Disk First Aid says that all's well, etc. Things seem to be fine. But, what happened? Was this a warning that something (the internal HD or something else) is about to die? I'm definitely nervous. And, if this is a signal that the internal HD is sick, is it true that I can only put up to a 127MB drive inside an LC? Some folks have claimed there's a limitation in the LC (other'n size or power) while others (and that includes LaCie, over the phone) say anything that fits is okay. Thanks for answers. ";0;1 "From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Too fast Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr15.222638.22817 Distribution: world Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 51 In article bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes: >In <1993Apr14.045526.21945@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: > >>In article <1qg19v$5ju@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> mhartman@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Mark Hartman) writes: >>Driving 130 in a straight line is fine, you very soon become aclimated >>to it. It's only a rush when there are corners that you don't >>think you can make. > >>On a clear autobahn, 130 is nothing. In the U.S. 99% of people and >>all judges would label you insane and it is difficult to persuade >>people otherwise. > >Sure, but the surface condition of most good autobahns is far better The quality of autobahns is something of a myth. The road surface isn't much different to a typical TX freeway. They are better in terms of lighting, safety, signs, roadmarkings etc. I'd have no problem driving 130 on most US freeways, as it is, I save it for the backroads, which really are more likely to be dangerous. >than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your >shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to It would have to be quite severe. I don't recall any US freeway, without road damage warnings, that i would regard as unsafe at 130 in any decent, well damped car. Note that my definition of decent, well damped, would exclude most typical American sedans. >drive quickly and they say my Probe will do 130, but that's 30 more >than I've ever tried in it cause there isn't a decent enough piece >of road hereabouts. I don't know where you live, but I would be much more worried about cops, other traffic etc. than the road surface at 130. It just isn't that fast or that dangerous. If you have a Probe GT, no problem. The 4cyl models I have driven would be likely to be unpredictable at higher speeds. Craig > >>Craig >>> >>>-- >>> Mark Hartman mhartman@umcc.umcc.umich.edu >>> Kalamazoo, MI bk405@cleveland.freenet.edu >>> ""I'm naked in the school!"" - Sleepyhead - >>> > >Bob > > ";-1;0 "From: suresh@iss.nus.sg (Suresh Thennarangam - Research Scholar) Subject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm) Nntp-Posting-Host: titan.iss.nus.sg Organization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 47 pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes: : In article <9304191540.AA09727@sparc1.jade.com>, graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham) writes: : |> : |> XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of : |> the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe). : |> Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program? : |> Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me : |> with XOpenWindow? You can't make GL calls in an XmDrawingArea widget for sure. : : There is a widget already defined for GL. It is the GlxMDraw (motif) or : GlxDraw (athena) widget. It is similar to a XmDrawingArea, except that it : allows you to use GL calls to render into the window. Look at glxlink, : glxunlink, glxgetconfig, and glxwinset in the man pages. : : : The GlxMDraw widget works pretty well. OpenGL will be an improvement. I can vouch for that. The GL Widget works pretty well. I have been using it for sometime now. I'm not sure though whether you can use Xlib calls to draw into the GL widget. I haven't tried it yet nor have I read the accompanying documentation completely. Try posting to comp.sys.sgi for more information. Better still,you will find most of the answers in the SGI manuals .. there is a little transition guide which explains the ""mixed-model programming"" paradigm(Mixing X and GL). : |> Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL? : : I think GL is a little easier to use and a little more powerful, but : that's just an opinion. Mileage may vary. Well, PEX is designed as an extension to X and will be more seamless but then, it is buggy to start with .. opinions again. __ (_ / / o_ o o |_ __)/(_( __) (_(_ /_)| )_ *************************************************************************** * Suresh Thennarangam * EMail: suresh@iss.nus.sg(Internet) * * Research Scholar * ISSST@NUSVM.BITNET * * Institute Of Systems Science * Tel: (065) 772 2588. * * National University Of Singapore * Facs.: (065) 778 2571 * * Heng Mui Keng Terrace * Telex: ISSNUS RS 39988 * * Singapore 0511. * * *************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: yuri@physics.heriot-watt.ac.UK (Yuri Rzhanov) Subject: XView slider Organization: The Internet Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert Hi netters, I'm using sliders in my XView apps, usually with editable numeric field. But I seem to have no control over the length of this field. In some apps it appears long enough to keep several characters, in some - it cannot keep even the maximum value set by PANEL_MAX_VALUE! As I understand, PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH, which controls number of characters to be displayed in text items, doesn't work in the case of slider, despite the fact that contains the following bit: /* Panel_multiline_text_item, Panel_numeric_text_item, * Panel_slider_item and Panel_text_item attributes */ PANEL_NOTIFY_LEVEL = PANEL_ATTR(ATTR_ENUM, 152), PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH = PANEL_ATTR(ATTR_INT, 182), which gives a hint that this attribute can be used for sliders. But 1) setting this attribute gives nothing, and 2) xv_get'ting this attribute gives warning: Bad attribute, and return value 0. Can someone share his experience in managing sliders in XView with me, and clear this problem? Any help is very much appreciated. Yuri yuri@uk.ac.hw.phy ";-1;0 "From: esuoc@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ajay Soni) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For M Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK Lines: 44 Distribution: world Reply-To: esuoc@csv.warwick.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: thyme.csv.warwick.ac.uk In article 2G1@bcstec.ca.boeing.com, rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: >Hi Netters, > >I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle >some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. > >Can you please offer some recommendations? > >I'll also need contact info (name, address, email...) if you can find it. > >Thanks > >(Please Post Your Responses, in case others have same need) > >Bob Carpenter > I've been given the sites of some excellent 3D objects on all sorts of file formats ... Here's where they are: Host plaza.aarnet.edu.au Location: /graphics/graphics/mirrors DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Apr 4 14:32 avalon.chinalake.navy.mil Host compute1.cc.ncsu.edu Location: /mirrors/wustl/graphics/graphics/mirrors DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Mar 14 09:15 avalon.chinalake.navy.mil Host wuarchive.wustl.edu Location: /graphics/graphics/mirrors DIRECTORY drwxr-xr-x 512 Jan 3 06:29 avalon.chinalake.navy.mil See ya! Ajay 8*) ";-1;0 "From: jyow@desire.wright.edu Subject: CAMERA: Olympus Stylus, super small Organization: Wright State University Lines: 9 Olympus Stylus, 35mm, pocket sized, red-eye reduction, timer, fully automatic. Time & date stamp, carrying case. Smallest camera in its class. Rated #2 in Consumer Reports. Excellent condition and only 4 months old. Worth $169.95. Purchased for $130. Selling for $100. -- ************************************************************************ Jason Yow Human Factors Psychology Program Wright State University, Dayton, OH E-mail: jyow@desire.wright.edu ************************************************************************ ";8;1 "From: DMJEWLAL@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Derrick M. Jewlal) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Lines: 45 Organization: University of Waterloo In article <1993Apr14.174828.13445@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) >Subject: Re: plus minus stat >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 17:48:28 GMT >In dreier@jacobi.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes: > >>Selanne's +7 leads the Jets; Teppo Numminen is +4. Who do you think >>is better defensively? Ron Francis of the Penguins is +5, although he >>has 97 points, while Jaromir Jagr has only 87 points but is +30. Is >>Jagr really better on defense than Francis? And how exactly should we >>interpret the fact that Mario Lemieux has by far the highest +/- in >>the league? Does he get the Selke as well as the Ross? > >The plus/minus does not measure defense alone. It attempts to measure >a player's total contribution to the team effort. And certainly, it >is far from perfect and my posting never implied otherwise. All that >my posting suggested was that the +/- was a better indicator of a >player's effectiveness, when examined in the context of that player's >team's performance, than mere scoring totals alone. And as for Mario >getting the Selke - why not? After Doug Gilmour, I would rather have >Lemieux on the ice in any situation (other than as an enforcer, obvi- >ously) than any player in the game. I used to call the Selke the ""Bob >Gainey Award"". It came about as a result of the statement made by >Anatoli Tarasov: ""Bob Gainey is the best hockey player in the world."" >I am sure that Tarasov was either misquoted, originally, or had a tiny >bit too much Vodka and was toying with a reporter. In any event, the >NHL decided to honour one dimensional checkers along with one dimen- >sional scorers. Maybe the league should start awarding the ""Doug Gil- >mour Award"" anually to the league's most effective, all-round player. > >cordially, as always, > >rm > >-- >Roger Maynard >maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca Hey, what about the ""Roger Maynard Award"" for the most annoying fan....? ======================================================== Derrick M. Jewlal 34 Laurel St. , Apt. #1 Waterloo 747 4804 ";-1;0 "From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Which Gehrels? (was Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <1993Apr21.170817.15845@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes: > >> > > Also, peri[jove]s of Gehrels3 were: > > Thanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn't known to > me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American > has an article about the ""Inconstant Cosmos"", with a photo of Neil > Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory. > Same person? I would guess not. Dr. Neil Gehrels of CGRO is the son of Dr. Tom Gehrels of the University of Arizona. Since he's long had research interests in asteroids and other solar-system astronomy, Tom is the one more likely to have discovered a comet (and thus had his name attached to it). Tom Gehrels is a leader in the Spacewatch project, which has recently increased mankind's discovery rate on near-Earth asteroids (they're finding a couple every month). For much more on this interesting guy, read his autobiography, *On a Glassy Sea*. ""Do you know the asteroids, Mr.Kemp?... Bill Higgins Hundreds of thousands of them. All wandering around the Sun in strange Fermilab orbits. Some never named, never charted. The orphans of the Solar higgins@fnal.fnal.gov System, Mr. Kemp."" higgins@fnal.bitnet ""And you want to become a father."" --*Moon Zero Two* SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS ";-1;0 "From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) Subject: Re: A surfeit of offense? Originator: rja@mahogany126 Lines: 35 Nntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126 Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins! In article <1qi008INNphe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes: > In article <1993Apr14.160447.17835@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: > >Last year the American League scored 9802 runs in 1134 games, for a > >total of 8.6 runs per game, with 1.0 HR/game. Through Tuesday, the AL > >has 477 runs in 48 games, for a total of 9.9 runs per game, and a > >total of 1.7 HR/game. In 1987 there were 9.8 runs per game, and 2.3 > >HR/game. > > >The big question: How significant is this? Have we returned to 1987? > >Or is this just a minor abberation? > > > >Some thoughts: > > >d) I thought offense was generally down in April, rising as the > >weather got warm and pitchers got tired. This may be a bigger > >abberation from the norm than it seems. > > 1. I don't get a feeling that the weather has been an issue this year. > There doesn't seem to be a really cold spell in North America which > does makes it harder to hit (not to mention making the ball carry less) You obviously did not watch the Twins in Chicago. No cold spell? It's been snowing most of the week in Minnesota. (5 inches in Duluth last weekend) > I would still put things under the too early to tell category. Yup. -- Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect ------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993 EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!) ";-1;0 "From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) Subject: Re: intolerance - eternal life - etc Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu Organization: not Sun Microsystems Lines: 186 I apologize if this article is slightly confusing, and late. The origonal draft didn't make it through the moderators quote-screens. So I did violence to it, but if you remember the article I am responding to it should still make sence. In article 1850@geneva.rutgers.edu, jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) writes: >Hi Xian Netters, God bless you What, no hello for heathan netters? I feel all left out now. :( [deletia- table of content, intro, homosexuality] > >INCREDIBLY CHOPPED UP POST [deletia- incorrect attributions] Uh, you have your attributions wrong, you were responding to my article, so Dan Johnson should be the 1st one. >In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org >(Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: [deletia- no free gifts speil nuked by moderator fiat.] >I find that I am dissatisfied with the little purposes that we can >manufacture for ourselves. Little in the cosmic sense. Ah, in the _cosmic_ sence.. but who lives in the cosmic sence? Not me! Cosmicly, we don't even exist for all practical purposes. I can hardly use the Cosmic Sence Of Stuff as a guide to life. It would just say: ""don't bother."" Luckily for mortals, there are many sences of scale you can talk about. In a human sence, you can have big purposes. > Even the >greatest of the great pharos are long gone, the pyramids historical >oddities being worn down by the wind, eventually to be turned into dust. But the influence of Aristotle, Confucious, Alexander, Ceasar and countless others is still with us, although their works have perished. But they have changed to course of history, and while humanity exists, their deeds cannot be said to have come to nothing, even if they are utterly forgotten. >Mankind itself will one day perish. One day, surely. (well, unless you believe in the Second Coming, which I do not) But in that time we can make a difference. > Without some interconnectedness >that transcends the physical, without God, it is all pointless in the >end. In the end. But it must be the end; until then, there is all the point you can muster. And when that end comes, there will be nobody to ask, ""Gee, I don't think James Sledd's deeds are gonna make much of a difference, ulitmately, ya know?"". But they will have already have made a difference, great or small, before the end. Why must your ends be eternal to be worthwhile? > Most people are able to live with that, and for them little >purposes (success, money, power, effecting change, helping others) >suffice. Little is in the eye of the beholder, of course. > I suppose they never think about the cosmic scale, or are at >least able to put it out of their minds. I don't doubt it. But I have thought about the cosmic scale. And it does not seem to mean much to us, here, today. >To me, it is comforting to know that reality is an illusion. I would not find this comforting. But perhaps it is merely my definitions. Here's what I think the relevant terms are: ""Reality"" That which is real. ""Illusion"" That which is not real, but seems to be. ""Real"" Objectively Existing For ""reality"" to be an ""illusion"" would mean, then: That which is real is not real, but seems to be. Or: That which objectively exists, does not objectively exist, but does seem to objectively exist. From which we can conclude, that unless you want to get a contradiction, that no things objectively exist. But I have a problem with this because I would like to say that *I* objectively exist, if nothing else. Cogito Ergo Sum and all that. Perhaps you do not mean all that, but rather mean: ""Objective Reality is Unreachable by humans."" Which is not so bad, and so far as I know is true. > That the >true reality underneath the the physical is spirit. Have on. If reality is an illusion, isn't True Reality an illusion too? And if True Reality is spirit, doens't that make Spirit an Illusion as well? If I am not distinctly confused, this is getting positively Buddhist. > That this world is a school of sorts, where we learn >and grow, and our souls mature. That is one hell of a statement, although perhaps true. Do you mean to imply that it was *intended* to be so? If so, please show that this is true. If not, please explain how this can give a purpose to anything. > That gives a purpose to my little purposes, How does it do that? Wouldn't the world=school w/ intent idea make the world a preparation for some *greater* purpose, rather than a purpose in itself. > and takes some of the pressure off. What pressure? > It's not so necessary to make this life a success in human terms >if you're really just here to learn. It is not necessary to be a success in human terms, unless your goals either include doing so or require doing so before they themselves can be achived. Indeed, many people have set goals for themselves that do not include success in human terms as _I_ understand it. Check out yer Buddhist monk type guy. Out for nirvana, which is not at all the same thing. > It's more important to progress, >grow, persist, to learn to love yourself and others and to express your >love, especially when it's dificult to do so. Honest effort is rewarded >by God, he knows our limitations. Why is learning to love a goal? What happens if you fail in this goal? To you? To God? To the mysterious Purpose? [deletia- question about immortailty and my answer deleted because it was mostly quote.] >TWO SERIOUS QUESTIONS/INVITATIONS TO DISCUSSION >1. What is the nature of eternal life? >2. How can we as mortals locked into space time conceive of it? > >Possible answer for #2: The best we can do is Metaphor/Analogy >Question 2A What is the best metaphor? I'll have a crack at that. (1) The nature of eternal life is neatly described by its name: It is the concept of life without death, life without end. (2) No. We can put together word to describe it, but we cannot imagine it. (2a) No metaphor is adequate next to eternity; if it were we could not understand it either. (or so I suspect) --- - Dan Johnson And God said ""Jeeze, this is dull""... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0 These opinions probably show what I know. ";-1;0 "From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: Another question about synthetic engi Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.020533.6165 Distribution: usa Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr5.133542.19077@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) writes: |> Two years ago he went to work for CONRAIL as a mechanic. |> On the EMD and GE power units (train engines) they NEVER |> EVER change the oil, just the filters I remember seeing an artical on large-engine oil requirements, and one of the ways of prolonging the life of the oil was to run through a heated un-presurized chamber to allow water and volitiles to boil off. This made such long-term usage of oil practical. Isn't the Discovery channel great!?! --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. ";-1;0 "From: kene@acs.bu.edu (Kenneth Engel) Subject: Re: Why do people become atheists? Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 32 Let me tell you my story. I grew up catholic. Up until I was 14, it wasn't an issue for me. Then I met a born-again christian, a very sweet person, not proseletyzing(sp?), not imposing. I tried to get into being as christian as I could, as I felt I 'should'. But the more I tried, the more depressed I got. I felt guilty for some of my own personal, honest feelings. I tried so hard to reconcile this conflict. until I was 23. Then I taught myself to think rationally. I read a lot of books, pro and con religion in general and, specifically, catholicism. I came to a crisis point, then it finally clicked and now I am a staunch atheist. This is a very loose explanation, but it's the gist of it. Now, (at 26) I feel better about myself, better self-esteem, a generally stronger person. I have well-defined goals. I have a strong and stable sense of morals and values. I am not a neo-nazi or a corrupt politicain, etc. I believe in human rights and 'live and let live' among other things. I am very anti-violent and anti-hatred. (This is to debunk the myth that atheists are depraved.) Religion has no place in my system. Tough. Bertrand Russell said that we cannot *know* god doesn't exist, we can't prove it. So, in that sense, we can only truly be agnostic. But, for all practical purposes there is no god. Thanqs ken engel kene@acs.bu.edu ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Robbie Po Subject: Re: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) <1993Apr18.203823.28597@news.columbia.edu> Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr18.203823.28597@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) says: >Locked away, waiting for the tape-delay to start ... I think this guy is going to be just a little bit disappointed. Lemieux two, Tocchet, Mullen, Tippett, and Jagr. I buzzed my friend because I forgot who had scored Mullen's goal. I said, ""Who scored? Lemieux two, Tocchet, Tippett, Jagr."" The funny part was I said the ""Jagr"" part non-chalantly as he was in the process of scoring while I was asking this question!!! :-) All in all ABC's coverage wasn't bad. On a scale of 1-10, I give it about an 8. How were the games in the Chi/St. Louis/LA area??? >It's nice that the Devils are starting out their playoffs on network >television ... too bad that their playoff game has been preempted on >WABC-AM for an early-season Yankees baseball game! That's stupid!!! I'd complain to the television network! If I were to even see a Pirates game on instead of a Penguins game at this time of the year, I and many other Pittsburghers would surely raise hell!!! >It's a 12-2 win by the Texas Rangers ... and they're delaying the >tape-delay by another half-hour for the ballgame ""highlights""!!! Texas is off to a good start, they may pull it out this year. Whoops! That belongs in rec.sport.baseball!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""We do what comes naturally! Patrick Division Semi's '91 STANLEY CUP You see now, wait for the PENGUINS 6, Devils 3 '92 CHAMPIONS possibility, don't you see a Penguins lead, 1-0 12 STRAIGHT WINS! strong resemblance...""-DG '89 ";-1;0 "From: jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey) Subject: Re: Necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership Organization: Hell Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes: > >In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning >will do much more good than just using detergent gas. While I >agree that a clogged fuel injector would darken my day, how clogged >do they get, and is $59 a good price (or can I do it myself by buying >a can of ____ (what?) and doing ___ what? A ""fuel injector cleaning"" at the dealer is probably little more than them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer. Go to KMart and buy the cleaner yourself for $1.29. Just because you dealer sez you need it, don't mean it's necessarily so. Be suspicious. jim grey jwg@acd4.acd.com ";-1;0 "From: kruzifix@netcom.com (Living On The Edge......) Subject: IMAGINE for PC?? Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 8 Is Impulse shipping IMAGINE for the PC386/486? How close is it to the Amiga's IMAGINE 2.0, in terms of features? ============================================================================= Roland Chia | >>> Air-Cooled >>> EMAIL:kruzifix@netcom.com | >>> Free-Falling >>> VOICE:(209)447-9403 | >>> Carbon Unit >>> ============================================================================= ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: If You Feed Armenians Dirt -- You Will Bite Dust! From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan) Organization: Vanderbilt University Summary: Armenians correcting the geo-political record. Nntp-Posting-Host: snarl02 Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr5.194120.7010@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.064028.24746@kth.se> hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) >writes: >David Davidian says: Armenians have nothing to lose! They lack food, fuel, and >warmth. If you fascists in Turkey want to show your teeth, good for you! Turkey >has everything to lose! You can yell and scream like barking dogs along the Davidian, who are fascists? Armenians in Azerbaijan are killing Azeri people, invading Azeri soil and they are not fascists, because they lack food ha? Strange explanation. There is no excuse for this situation. Herkesi fasist diye damgala sonra, kendileri fasistligin alasini yapinca, ""ac kaldilar da, yiyecekleri yok amcasi, bu seferlik affedin"" de. Yurrruuu, yuru de plaka numarani alalim...... Hakan ";-1;0 "From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ. of Alabama Distribution: usa Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr22.202051.1@vms.ocom.okstate.edu>, banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu wrote: > > In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) writes: > > > > A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's > > disease. > > > > But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables, > > without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence. > > > > Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the > > problems of people with Crohn's disease ? > > > > (I saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric). > > > > Thanks in advance, > > John Eyles > > All your friend really has to do is find a Registered Dietician(RD). While > most work in hospitals and clinics, many major cities will have RD's who > are in ""private practice"" so to speak. Many physicans will refer their > patients with Crohn's disease to RD's for dietary help. If you can get > your friend's physician to make a referral, medical insurance should pay for > the RD's services just like the services of a physical therapist. The > better medical insurance plans will cover this but even if your friend's > plan doesn't, it would be well worth the cost to get on a good diet to > control the intestinal discomfort and help the intestinal lining heal. > Crohn's disease is an inflammatory disease of the intestinal lining and > lipoxygenase inhibitors may help by decreasing leukotriene formation but > I'm not aware of tea or turmeric containing lipoxygenase inhibitors. For > bad inflammation, steroids are used but for a mild case, the side effects > are not worth the small benefit gained by steroid use. Upjohn is developing > a new lipoxygenase inhibitor that should greatly help deal with > inflammatory diseases but it's not available yet. > > Marty B. Be sure a dietician is up to date on Crohn's and Ulcerative Colitis. Previously, low residue diets were recommended, but this advice has now changed. Also, there will be differences in advice in patients with and without obstructuon remaining, so input by the physician will be important. I find the dietician very important in my practice, and I send most of my patients to a dietician in the course of seeing them, since dieticians know so much better how to get diet histories and evaluate the contents of a diet than I do. Steve Holland ";-1;0 "From: mayne@ds3.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne) Subject: Re: Ancient Books Organization: Supercomputer Computations Research Institute Lines: 25 In article miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >[Any former atheists converted by argument?} >This is an excellent question and I'll be anxious to see if there are >any such cases. I doubt it. In the medieval period (esp. 10th-cent. >when Aquinas flourished) argument was a useful tool because everyone >""knew the rules."" Today, when you can't count on people knowing even >the basics of logic or seeing through rhetoric, a good argument is >often indistinguishable from a poor one. The last sentence is ironic, since so many readers of soc.religion.christian seem to not be embarrassed by apologists such as Josh McDowell and C.S. Lewis. The above also expresses a rather odd sense of history. What makes you think the masses in Aquinas' day, who were mostly illiterate, knew any more about rhetoric and logic than most people today? If writings from the period seem elevated consider that only the cream of the crop, so to speak, could read and write. If everyone in the medieval period ""knew the rules"" it was a matter of uncritically accepting what they were told. Bill Mayne [This may be unfair to Lewis. The most prominent fallacy attributed to him is the ""liar, lunatic, and lord"". As quoted by many Christians, this is a logical fallacy. In its original context, it was not. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Subject: Re: PC Parallel I/O Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Lines: 24 R >>>JD> ALL PC parallel ports that are compatable with the IBM standard, R >>>JD> including the original IBM adaptor, are bi-directional. NOT ALL PARALLEL PORTS ARE BI-DIRECTIONAL WITHOUT MODIFICATION. My experience with the standard old zenith parallel port in their original 286s proves that. They had the input direction disactiviated by tieing them R/W select line of the circuit to Vcc. To make it bi ( which I did ) I had to modify it by scraping off the trace and solder a jump to the proper location. I thought that this was just lazy on the part of Zenith ( they were not Zenith-Bull Group at that time). -rdd --- . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | ";-1;0 "From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) Subject: Re: Identifying / Securing Files Organization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ Lines: 23 In article <2bb29f4c@mash.boulder.co.us: rmashlan%mash@csn.org (Robert Mashlan) writes: :tarnold@vnet.IBM.COM (Todd W. Arnold) said in article <19930322.101356.617@almaden.ibm.com>: :>It's OK as long as you trust the end-user to stay out of your application :>program - or as long as it runs in a system where the user can't get to it. :>Otherwise, you can't stop him from finding the ""load a module"" code in your :>program, and simply bypassing the check for a valid module. The devious user :>can either modify the object code before running the program, or he can run :>the program under a debugger and change the instructions in memory. :There is a way to foil debuggers, by clearing the single step :interrupt, on which a debugger depends, every few instructions in :the sensitive areas of the code. This assumes the person is using the hardware debug instruction of an X86 type processor. It can be negated by NOP'ing the clear debug instruction, or by running the code on a machine simulator, like one I wrote as a senior project in college. It can bypass and trace practically anything one could write in software. Kind of like being on a Star Trek Holideck :-). -- Kenneth Ng Please reply to ken@eies2.njit.edu for now. ""All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting on someone's table"" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG ";-1;0 "From: aardvark@cygnus.la.locus.com (Warren Usui) Subject: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Lines: 40 April 1, 1993 I am participating in an NL-league that uses standard Rotisserie rules except that the following catagories are used: For position players: lowest batting average strike-outs caught-stealing errors For pitchers: losses blown saves higest ERA 'taters allowed This is the fifth year that I've participated in this Blowtisserie league. Last year I won the pennant due primarily to the fact that I had terrible pitching. I would like to lower my batting average which is rather high because I do have Jose Offerman (who made up for this by helping me lock first place in errors). Anyway, someone offered: Andres Gallaraga for Bud Black I can afford to give up Bud Black because I still have Kyle Abbott. However, I am afraid of Andres actually doing well this season. Should I make the trade or not? Your comments will be appreciated. -- Warren Usui I'm one with the Universe -- on a scale from 1 to 10. ";14;1 "From: clipper@mccarthy.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung) Subject: Re: looking for circle algorithm faster than Bresenhams Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada In-Reply-To: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 04:49:46 GMT <1993Apr13.025240.8884@nwnexus.WA.COM> <1993Apr14.044946.12144@labtam.labtam.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: mccarthy.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 41 >>>>> On Wed, 14 Apr 1993 04:49:46 GMT, graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill) said: Graeme> Yes, that's known as ""Bresenhams Run Length Slice Algorithm for Graeme> Incremental lines"". See Fundamental Algorithms for Computer Graphics, Graeme> Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg 1985. > I have tried to extrapolate this to circles but I can't figure out > how to determine the length of the slices. Any ideas? Graeme> Hmm. I don't think I can help you with this, but you might Graeme> take a look at the following: Graeme> ""Double-Step Incremental Generation of Lines and Circles"", Graeme> X. Wu and J. G. Rokne, Computer Graphics and Image processing, Graeme> Vol 37, No. 4, Mar. 1987, pp. 331-334 Graeme> ""Double-Step Generation of Ellipses"", X. Wu and J. G. Rokne, Graeme> IEEE Computer Graphics & Applications, May 1989, pp. 56-69 Another paper you might want to consider is: @article{fungdraw, title=""A Run-Length Slice Line Drawing Algorithm without Division Operations"", author=""Khun Yee Fung and Tina M. Nicholl and A. K. Dewdney"", journal=""Computer Graphics Forum"", year=1992, volume=11, number=3, pages=""C-267--C-277"" } Khun Yee -- Khun Yee Fung clipper@csd.uwo.ca Department of Computer Science Middlesex College University of Western Ontario London, Ontario Canada N6A 5B7 Tel: (519) 661-6889 Fax: (519) 661-3515 ";-1;0 "From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 74 In article <114140@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >>>>> In cases of prostitution >>>>>both the man and the prostitute would be punished in public, quite >>>>>severely. (Deletion) > >>No Gregg, you cannot say A is lenient and A punishes severely in public. >>Unless, of course, it is one of the exceptions implied by ""almost all >>matters"". > >That depends on the statistics and who is punished in public. If some >power (for example, nothing Islamic about it) allows men to rape women >five times before blowing the rapist's head off in public then I'd call >that leniency, wouldn't you? > You have given that example. It is not lenient. End of argument. And chopping off the hands or heads of people is not lenient either. It rather appears that you are internalized the claims about the legal system without checking if they suit the description. And wasn't the argument that it takes five men to rape a woman according to Islamic law? >>While I don't approve of it, I think both the prostitute and the customer >>have the right to do what they do. In other words, punishing them is a >>violation of their rights. And to punish them severely in public is just >>another pointer to the hysteria connected with sexuality in so many >>religions. > >Believe what you like. > No, I even believe what I don't like. Can you give better answers than that? Have you got any evidence for your probably opposite claims? >>In this case, I don't see why I should accept the complex ridden views >>of an oriental goatherd. > >Ah, yes, I forget that the West is historically so much without sexual >neurosis :) > >""Oriental goatherd"", _really_ intellectual. > A fact, if memory serves. And most will see the connection between the primitive machism in the Orient and in Islam. >>If people agree on having sex it is fine. And I would assume that a >>god would have a clue of what the detrimental effects of supressing it >>are. > >Huh? Ever heard of AIDs? (Of course you'll probably go on to say that >God must be evil because he allows the disease to exist, bla bla). > As usually you miss the point. Aids is neither spread only through sex nor necessarily spread by having sex. Futher, the point is, a very important point, the urge for sex is stronger than the fear of AIDS. It is even stronger than the religious attempts to channel or to forbid sex. The consequences of suppressing sex are worse than the consequences of Aids. Please note that the idea that everybody would end up with AIDS when sex is not controlled is completely counterfactual. And since you have brought up the point, is your god evil or not? Benedikt ";-1;0 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA Lines: 9 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? Anyone want to go? pat ";-1;0 "From: zmed16@trc.amoco.com (Michael) Subject: FOR SALE: 4-TRACK RECORDER Originator: zmed16@zircon Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research Lines: 11 I have a Fostex X-26 4-Track Recorder for sale. It is in excellent condition and includes Dolby Noise Reduction, sub-mixing, 6 inputs and uses normal cassettes. If you are interested, make me an offer. Please respond to: zmed16@trc.amoco.com Thanks, Mike ";-1;0 "From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu In article <1993Apr16.104158.27890@reed.edu> mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes: >(assuming David didn't know that it can be done one-legged,) I too would In New Orleans, LA, there was a company making motorcycles for WHEELCHAIR bound people! The rig consists of a flat-bed sidecar rig that the wheelchair can be clamped to. The car has a set of hand controls mounted on conventional handlebars! Looks wierd as hell to see this legless guy driving the rig from the car while his girlfriend sits on the bike as a passenger! ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- Stolen Taglines... * God is real, unless declared integer. * * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * ";-1;0 "From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Canadiens - another Stanley Cup??? Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 35 In rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: >pereira@CAM.ORG (Dean Pereira) writes: >> With the kind of team Montreal has now, they can take the >>cup easily. The only problem they have right now is that everyone is >>trying to steal the show and play alone. They need some massive teamwork. This is known as the Savard syndrome - and we are talking Denis, not Serge. No team will ever win squat with the likes of Denis Savard in their lineup. >> They are also in a little of a slump because long-time hockey >>Montreal Canadiens announcer Claude Mouton died last tuesday and it was >>rough on everybody because he has worked with the organization for 21 >>years. But I know that is no excuse. But if the Habs manage to get some >>good teamwork and get into the spirit, they should have no problem >>winning in May. They could tell Savard to stay home and watch the games on TV. > I agree. I also think Roy needs a good kick sometimes...that horrible >4-0 loss to the Capitals last week...yeeeech! > Here's to Cup #23...this year! Sounds like #12 to me. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ";-1;0 "From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis) Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 3/5 Summary: useful information about the X Window System Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address) Organization: VISUAL, Inc. Expires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT Lines: 998 Archive-name: x-faq/part3 Last-modified: 1993/04/04 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 58)! Where can I get patches to X11R5? The release of new public patches by the MIT X Consortium is announced in the comp.windows.x.announce newsgroup. Patches themselves are available via ftp from export and from other sites from which X11 is available. They are now also distributed through the newsgroup comp.sources.x. Some source re-sellers may be including patches in their source distributions of X11. People without ftp access can use the xstuff mail server. It now has 23 patches for X11R5 [3/93]. Send to xstuff@expo.lcs.mit.edu the Subject line send fixes # where # is the name of the patch and is usually just the number of the patch. Here are a few complications: 1) fix 5 is in four parts; you need to request ""5a"", ""5b"", ""5c"" and ""5d"" separately 2) the file sunGX.uu, which was part of an earlier patch, was re-released with patch 7 [note: the file doesn't work with Solaris] 3) fix 8 is in two parts: ""8a"" and ""8b"" 4) fix 13 is in three parts: ""13a"", ""13b"", and ""13c"" 5) fix 16 is in two parts: ""16a"" and ""16b"" 6) fix 18 replaces the R5fix-test1 for the X Test Suite, which previously was optional 7) fix 19 also needs PEXlib.tar.Z, which you can obtain from xstuff by asking for ""PEXlib.uu.[1234]"". 8) fix 22 is in 9 parts, ""22a"" through ""22i"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 59) What is the xstuff mail-archive? The xstuff server is a mail-response program. That means that you mail it a request, and it mails back the response. Any of the four possible commands must be the first word on a line. The xstuff server reads your entire message before it does anything, so you can have several different commands in a single message (unless you ask for help). The xstuff server treats the ""Subject:"" header line just like any other line of the message. The archives are organized into a series of directories and subdirectories. Each directory has an index, and each subdirectory has an index. The top-level index gives you an overview of what is in the subdirectories, and the index for each subdirectory tells you what is in it. 1) The command ""help"" or ""send help"" causes the server to send you a more detailed version of this help file. 2) if your message contains a line whose first word is ""index"", then the server will send you the top-level index of the contents of the archive. If there are other words on that line that match the name of subdirectories, then the indexes for those subdirectories are sent instead of the top-level index. For example, you can say ""send index fixes"" (or ""index fixes""). A message that requests an index cannot request data. 3) if your message contains a line whose first word is ""send"", then the xstuff server will send you the item(s) named on the rest of the line. To name an item, you give its directory and its name. For example send fixes 1 4 8a 8b 9 You may issue multiple send requests. The xstuff server contains many safeguards to ensure that it is not monopolized by people asking for large amounts of data. The mailer is set up so that it will send no more than a fixed amount of data each day. If the work queue contains more requests than the day's quota, then the unsent files will not be processed until the next day. Whenever the mailer is run to send its day's quota, it sends the requests out shortest-first. 4) Some mailers produce mail headers that are unusable for extracting return addresses. If you use such a mailer, you won't get any response. If you happen to know an explicit path, you can include a line like path foo%bar.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu or path bar!foo!frotz in the body of your message, and the daemon will use it. The xstuff server itself can be reached at xstuff@expo.lcs.mit.edu. If your mailer deals in ""!"" notation, try sending to {someplace}!mit-eddie!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xstuff. [based on information from the MIT X Consortium, 8/89, 4/90.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 60)! Where can I get X11R4 (source and binaries)? Integrated Computer Solutions, Inc., ships X11R4 on half-inch, quarter-inch, and TK50 formats. Call 617-621-0060 for ordering information. The Free Software Foundation (617-876-3296) sells X11R4 on half-inch tapes and on QIC-24 cartridges. Yaser Doleh (doleh@math-cs.kent.EDU; P.O. Box 1301, Kent, OH 44240) is making X11R4 available on HP format tapes, 16 track, and Sun cartridges. [2/90] European sites can obtain a free X11R4 distribution from Jamie Watson, who may be reached at chx400!pan!jw or jw@pan.uu.ch. [10/90] Non Standard Logics (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) makes source available. IXI Limited (+44 223 462 131) is selling X11R4 source on quarter-inch cartridge formats and on 5.25"" and 3.5"" floppy, with other formats available on request. [IXI, 2/90] Virtual Technologies (703-430-9247) provides the entire X11R4 compressed source release on a single QIC-24 quarter-inch cartridge and also on 1.2meg or 1.44 meg floppies upon request. [Conor Cahill (cpcahil@virtech.uu.net) 2/90] Young Minds (714-335-1350) makes the R4 and GNU distributions available on a full-text-indexed CD-ROM. [Note that some distributions are media-only and do not include docs.] X11R4 is ftp-able from export.lcs.mit.edu; these sites are preferable, though, and are more direct: Machine Internet FTP Location Name Address Directory -------- ------- -------- ------------- (1) West USA gatekeeper.dec.com 16.1.0.2 pub/X11/R4 Central USA mordred.cs.purdue.edu 128.10.2.2 pub/X11/R4 (2) Central USA giza.cis.ohio-state.edu 128.146.8.61 pub/X.V11R4 Southeast USA uunet.uu.net 192.48.96.2 X/R4 (3) Northeast USA crl.dec.com 192.58.206.2 pub/X11/R4 (4) UK Janet src.doc.ic.ac.uk 129.31.81.36 X.V11R4 UK niftp uk.ac.ic.doc.src (5) Australia munnari.oz.au 128.250.1.21 X.V11/R4 The giza.cis.ohio-state.edu site, in particular, is known to have much of the contrib stuff that can be found on export. The release is available to DEC Easynet sites as CRL::""/pub/X11/R4"". Sites in Australia may contact this address: ftp.Adelaide.EDU.AU [129.127.40.3] and check the directory pub/X/R4. The machine shadows export and archives comp.sources.x. (Mark Prior, mrp@ucs.adelaide.edu.au, 5/90) Note: a much more complete list is distributed as part of the introductory postings to comp.sources.x. A set of X11R4 binaries built by Tom Roell (roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) for the 386/ix will available from export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib and in /pub/i386/X11R4 from 131.159.8.35 in Europe. Stephen Hite (shite@sinkhole.unf.edu) can also distribute to folks without ftp facilities via disks sent SASE; contact him for USmail and shipping details. [12/90] In addition, the binaries are available via uucp from szebra [1-408-739-1520, TB+ (PEP); ogin:nuucp sword:nuucp] in /usr2/xbbs/bbs/x. In addition, the source is on zok in /usrX/i386.R4server/. [2/91] In addition, if you are in the US, the latest SVR4 binary (April 15), patches, and fonts are available on piggy.ucsb.edu (128.111.72.50) in the directory /pub/X386, same filenames as above. (Please use after 6pm Pacific, as these are large files.) [5/91] A set of HP 9000/800 binaries is available on hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com (15.255.72.15) as ~ftp/pub/MitX11R4/libs.x800.Z. [2/91] A set of X11R4 binaries for the NeXT 2.x have been made available by Howie Kaye on cunixf.cc.columbia.edu A set of binaries by John Coolidge (coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu) for the Mac running A/UX 2.0 is available from wuarchive.wustl.edu in the file (/archive/systems/aux/X11R4/Xupdate2.tar.Z). Also in X11R4/diffs is a set of patches for making X11R4 with shared libraries with mkshlib. A complete distribution of SCO X11R4 binaries by Baruch Cochavy (blue@techunix.technion.ac.il) can be found on uunet. The server is Roell's X386 1.1b, compiled for ET4000 based SVGA boards. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 61) Where can I get OSF/Motif? You can obtain either OSF/Motif source or binaries from a number of vendors. Motif 1.2.2 source is now available; it is based on X11R5. Motif 1.1 is based on the R4.18 Intrinsics and is currently [7/92] at 1.1.5. An OSF/Motif source license must be obtained from OSF before source can be obtained from the Open Software Foundation or any value-added vendor for any version. Call the Direct Channels Desk at OSF at 617-621-7300 for ordering information. Various hardware vendors produce developer's toolkits of binaries, header files, and documentation; check your hardware vendor, particularly if that vendor is an OSF member. In addition, independent binary vendors produce Motif toolkits for machines for which Motif is not supported by a vendor; the kits include varied levels of bug-fixing and support for shared libraries and are based on widely divergent version of Motif: Quest (408-988-8880) sells kits for Suns, as well; IXI (+44 223 462 131) offers kits for Sun3 and Sun4. NSL (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) offers kits for the Sun 3 and Sun 4. Bluestone Consulting makes a kit for Sun systems. ICS (617-62-0060) makes several binary kits, notably for Sun, DEC. HP and DEC have announced support for Motif on Sun systems. Unipalm (+44-954-211-797) currently offers for Sun systems a Motif Development Kit including X11R4 and based on Motif 1.1.2. The US distributor is Expert Object Corp (708-926-8500). BIM ships Motif 1.1 binaries for Suns. Shared library support is included. Contact Alain Vermeiren (av@sunbim.be) or Danny Backx (db@sunbim.be) at +32(2)759.59.25 (Fax : +32(2)759.47.95) (Belgium). SILOGIC (+33 61.57.95.95) ships Motif 1.2 and Motif 1.1 on Sun machines. S.I. Systems offers Motif 1.2 for Solaris 2.1; info: 1-800-755-8649 in USA and Canada. Metro Link Inc. (305-970-7353, sales@metrolink.com; in Europe contact ADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333, UniVision (UK) Ltd. (44) 628 82 22 81) ships an implementation of X11R4 and Motif 1.1.2 (including a shared-library implementation of libXm.a) for the 386/486 Unix market. Motif 1.1.2 is also available for Sun Sparc based workstations. It has also announced Motif 1.2 for Solaris systems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 62) Does Motif work with X11R4? X11R5? Motif 1.2 is based on X11R5. Motif 1.1, available in source form from OSF as of August 1990, uses the ""vanilla"" X11R4 Intrinsics, where ""vanilla"" means ""with just a few patches""; the file fix-osf which OSF distributes is obsoleted by MIT's patches 15-17. The file fix-osf-1.1.1 distributed with the 1.1.1 version or its subsequent modification needs to be applied after MIT fix-18, though. Motif 1.1.1 to 1.1.3 will work with X11R5 if X11R5 is compiled with -DMOTIFBC; 1.1.4 and later should work with the vanilla R5, although there are some known new geometry-management problems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 63) Where can I get toolkits implementing OPEN LOOK? Sun's XView has a SunView-style API. A version is on the X11R4 tape; the latest [2/92] 3.0 sources are on export in contrib/xview3/. XView and X binaries for the Sun 386i (""roadrunner"") are available for ftp from svin01.win.tue.nl (131.155.70.70), directory pub/X11R4_386i. Supported binaries of XView 2.0 or 3.0 include: XView for non-Sun Platforms (domestic and selected international vendors). Several are also available from Sun; contact your local sales office. Amiga GfxBase, Inc. 1881 Ellwell Drive (AmigaDOS) (408) 262-1469 Milpitas, CA 95035 Fax: (408) 262-8276 SGI Sony (NEWS-OS) IBM RS/6000 HP 9000 DECstation UniPress Software 2025 Lincoln Highway (Ultrix) (908) 985-8000 Edison, NJ 08817 Fax: (908) 287-4929 UniPress Software, Ltd. PO Box 70 44-624-661-8850 Viking House Fax: 44-624-663-453 Nelson Street Douglas, Isle of Man United Kingdom DEC VAXstation TGV 603 Mission Street (VMS) (800) TGV-3440 Santa Cruz, CA 95060 (408) 427-4366 Fax: (408) 427-4365 Unipalm Ltd. 145-147 St. Neots Road 44-0954-211797 Hardwick Fax: 44-0954-211244 Cambridge CB3 7QJ England Intel 386 Quarterdeck Office 150 Pico Boulevard (DOS) Systems Santa Monica, CA 90405 (213) 392-9851 Fax: (213) 399-3802 Intel 386 SunSoft Corporation 6601 Center Drive West (Interactive 310-348-8649 Suite 700 UNIX and Los Angeles, CA 90045 SCO UNIX) Stardent Scripps Institute Clinic MB-5 (Stellix OS Fax: (619) 554-4485 10666 N. Torrey Pines Road and Titan OS) Include mailstop MB-5 La Jolla, CA 92057 By ftp: 192.42.82.8 in pub/binary/{Xview.README,XView.tar.Z} AT&T's OPEN LOOK GUI 3.0 Xt-based toolkit is now generally available [2/92]; contact 1-800-828-UNIX#544 for information. Binaries are produced for SPARC systems by International Quest Corporation (408-988-8289). A version of the toolkit is also produced under the name OLIT by Sun. More recent versions of OLIT have been ported to IBM 6000 and DEC MIPS by both UniPress and ICS. OLIT is also available for HP from Melillo Consulting (908-873-0075). MJM (Somerset, NJ) makes OLIT 4.0 for HP 7xx series running HPUX 8.0, DECstations, and RS/6000s [thanks to Joanne Newbauer, jo@attunix.att.com, 908-522-6677.] Sun is shipping OpenWindows 3.0; contact your local sales representative for more details; the package includes toolkit binaries and header files. ParcPlace's (formerly Solbourne's) extensible C++-based Object Interface Library, which supports run-time selection between Open Look or Motif, is available from 303-678-4626. [5/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 64)! Where can I get other X sources? (including R5 modifications) The MIT Software Center ships the X Test Suite on tape. A multi-threaded version of Xlib based on X11R5 patch 12 is now available for anonymous FTP from (new version 1/93): DEC on gatekeeper.dec.com (16.1.0.2) in /pub/X11/contrib/mt-xlib-1.1 MIT on export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) in /contrib/mt-xlib-1.1 HP has made available drivers to permit the building of the X11R5 sample server on the HP 9000 Series 700 workstations; the files are on export.lcs.mit.edu in ~ftp/contrib/R5.HP.SRV. [8/92] User-contributed software is distributed through the newsgroup comp.sources.x, moderated by Chris Olson (chris@imd.sterling.com); also check that group for posting information. Richard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) has been creating a list of freely- available X sources. The list is stored on export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib as x-source-list.Z. It lists the main storage locations for the program and international sites from which it may be ftp'ed. The machine export.lcs.mit.edu has a great deal of user-contributed software in the contrib/ directory; a good deal of it is present in current or earlier versions on the X11R3, X11R4, and X11R5 contrib tapes. There are also directories for fixes to contrib software. The file on export in contrib/00-index.txt is a quick overall index of the software in that area, provided by Daniel Lewart (d-lewart@uiuc.edu). These sites used to and may still mirror export and are of particular use for Australasia: Anonymous ftp: ftp.Adelaide.EDU.AU; ACSnet Fetchfile: sirius.ua.oz. The material on giza.cis.ohio-state.edu, which tends to duplicate the export archives, is also available via anonymous UUCP from osu-cis, at TB+ and V.32 speeds. Write to uucp@cis.ohio-state.edu (same as osu-cis!uucp) for instructions. [the archive is now maintained by Karl Kleinpaste] A new west-coast UUCP X11 Archive is administered by Mark Snitily (mark@zok.uucp) and contains the full X11 distribution, the XTEST distribution, an entire archive of comp.sources.x and other goodies. The machine zok has a TB+ modem which will connect to 19.2K, 2400, 1200 baud (in that order). The anonymous UUCP account is UXarch with password Xgoodies. The modem's phone number is 408-996-8285. A sample Systems (or L.sys) entry might be: zok Any ACU 19200 4089968285 in:--in: UXarch word: Xgoodies To get a current listing of the files that are available, download the file ""/usrX/ls-lR.Z"". A full subject index of the comp.sources.x files is available in the file ""/usrX/comp.sources.x/INDEX"". The machine has just the one modem, so please do not fetch large amounts of data at one sitting. [courtesy Mark Snitily, 2/90] In addition, UUNET Source Archives (703-876-5050) tracks comp.sources.x and provides 800MB+ of compressed programs on 6250 bpi tapes or 1/4"" tapes. It also mirrors export/contrib in its packages/X directory. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 65)! Where can I get interesting widgets? The Free Widget Foundation (FWF) library sponsored by Brian Totty (totty@cs.uiuc.edu) is now [2/93] available on a.cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1) in pub/fwf-v3.41.shar.Z. The set of widgets there is intended to form the basis for future contributions. To be added to the discussion list, send to listserv@cs.uiuc.edu a message saying ""subscribe "" where is one of free-widgets-announce, free-widgets-development, or free-widgets-bugs. Version 3.4 is current; look for 4.0 in 4/93. The Xew widget set contains widgets for data representation. Version 1.2 [4/93] is on export contrib/Xew-1.2.tar.Z. Peter Ware's Xo ""Open Widget"" set, which has Motif-like functionality, is on archive.cis.ohio-state.edu as pub/Xo/Xo-2.1.tar.Z [8/92]. The AthenaTools Plotter Widget Set Version 6-beta [7/92] maintained by Peter Klingebiel (klin@iat.uni-paderborn.de) includes many graph and plotting widgets; a copy is on export in plotter.v6b.tar.Z, plotter.doc.tar.Z, plotter.afm.tar.Z, and plotter.README. The latest versions may in fact be on ftp@uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32) in /unix/tools. An advance version of Marc Quinton's Motif port of the FWF MultiList widget is in ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr:pub/MultiList.tar.Z [143.196.9.31]. Additional widgets are available on the contrib/ portion of the X11R4 tapes; these include the Xcu set. Paul Johnston's (johnston@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov) X Control Panel widget set emulates hardware counterparts; sources are on export.lcs.mit.edu in Xc-1.3.tar.Z. O'Reilly Volume 4, Doug Young's book, the Asente/Swick book, and Jerry Smith's ""Object-oriented Programming with the X Window System Toolkits"" all include details on writing widgets and include several useful widgets; sources are typically on export and/or UUNET. The Dirt interface builder includes the libXukc widet set which extends the functionality of Xaw. A graph widget and other 2D-plot and 3D-contour widgets by Sundar Narasimhan (sundar@ai.mit.edu) are available from ftp.ai.mit.edu as /com/ftp/pub/users/sundar/graph.tar.Z. The graph widget has been updated [3/91] with documentation and histogram capabilities. A graph widget is available from ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr in pub/Graph.tar.Z; it uses a segment list for drawing and hence supports a zoom operation. Ken Lee's Xm widget (demo) that uses Display PostScript to draw labels at a non-horizontal angle is on export in contrib/dpslabel.tar.Z. The Table widget (works like troff TBL tables) is available in several flavors, one of which is with the Widget Creation Library release. Bell Communications Research has developed a Matrix widget for complex application layouts; it's on export in contrib/Xbae-widgets-3.8.tar.Z [2/93. The distribution also includes a ""caption"" widget to associate labels with particular GUI components. (7/92) Dan Connolly's (connolly@convex.COM) XcRichText interprets RTF data; it's on export as contrib/XcRichText-1.1.tar.Z. The XmGraph Motif-based graphing widget is on iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu in /comp.hp/GUI_classic/XmGraph.tar.Z although it may not be stable. A TeX-style Layout widget by Keith Packard is described in the proceedings of the 7th MIT Technical Conference (O'Reilly X Resource volume 5); source is available on export contrib/Layout.tar.Z. A version of Lee Iverson's (leei@McRCIM.McGill.EDU) image-viewing tool is available as contrib/vimage-0.9.3.tar.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu. The package also includes an ImageViewPort widget and a FileDialog widget. [12/91;5/92] In addition, the PEXt toolkit by Rich Thomson (rthomson@dsd.es.com) is available on export as PEXt.tar.Z; it includes a PEX widget making it easier to use PEX in Xt-based programs. A Motif port of the Xaw clock widget is in ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr in pub/Clock.tar.Z. A modification of the Xaw ScrollBar widget which supports the arrowhead style of other toolkits is on export in contrib/Xaw.Scrollbar.mta.Z. A beta 0.3 (11/92) release of the R5 Xaw widgets with a 3D visual appearance by Kaleb Keithley (kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov) is available on export in contrib/Xaw3d/R5/Xaw3d-0.3.tar.Z. The library, which is binary-compatible with the MIT Xaw, implements a 3D subclass which handles the extra drawing. Also: The Xmt ""Motif Tools"", Dovetail Systems's shareware library of 9 widgets and many convenience functions, is available from export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib and ftp.ora.com:/pub/xbook/Xmt in xmt-README and xmt-1.0.tar.Z. The Xtra XWidgets set includes widgets for pie and bar charts, XY plots, Help, spreadsheets, data entry forms, and line and bar graphs. Contact Graphical Software Technology at 310-328-9338 (info@gst.com) for information. The XRT/graph widget, available for Motif, XView and OLIT, displays X-Y plots, bar and pie charts, and supports user-feedback, fast updates and PostScript output. Contact KL Group Inc. at 416-594-1026 (info@klg.com). A set of data-entry widgets for Motif is available from Marlan Software, 713-467-1458 (gwg@world.std.com). A set of graph widgets is available from Expert Database Systems (212-370-6700). A set of OSF/Motif compound widgets and support routines for 2D visualization is available from Ms Quek Lee Hian, National Computer Board, Republic of Singapore; Tel : (65)7720435; Fax : (65)7795966; leehian@iti.gov.sg, leehian@itivax.bitnet. The ICS Widget Databook includes a variety of control widgets and special-purpose widgets, available on a variety of platforms. Information: 617-621-0060, info@ics.com. Information on graphing tools may be obtained from info@TomSawyer.com (+1-510-848-0853, fax: +1-510-848-0854). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 66) Where can I get a good file-selector widget? The Free Widget Foundation set offers a FileSelector widget, with separate directory path and file listing windows, and the FileComplete, which has emacs-style file completion and ~ expansion. Other available file-requestor widgets include the XiFileSelector from Iris Software's book, the xdbx file-selector extracted by David Nedde (daven@wpi.wpi.edu), and the FileNominator from the aXe distribution. The GhostView, Xfig, and vimage packages also include file-selector widgets. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 67) What widget is appropriate to use as a drawing canvas? Some widget sets have a widget particularly for this purpose -- a WorkSpace or DrawingArea which doesn't display anything but lets your Xt application know when it has been re-exposed, resized, and when it has received user key and mouse input. The best thing to do for other widget sets -- including the Athena set -- is to create or obtain such a widget; this is preferable to drawing into a core widget and grabbing events with XtAddEventHandler(), which loses a number of benefits of Xt and encapsulation of the functionality . At least one version has been posted to comp.sources.x (name???). The publicly-available programs xball and xpic include other versions. The Athena Widget manual (mit/doc/Xaw/Template in the R5 distribution) includes a tutorial and source code to a simple widget which is suitable for use. The Free Widget Foundation set contains a Canvas widget. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 68) What is the current state of the world in X terminals? Jim Morton (jim@applix.com) posts quarterly to comp.windows.x a list of manufacturers and terminals; it includes pricing information. Notable buyers-guide surveys include: - the September 1991 issue of Systems Integration ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 69) Where can I get an X server with a touchscreen or lightpen? Labtam (+61 3 587 1444, fax +61 3 580 5581) offers a 19"" Surface Acoustic Wave touch-screen option on its Xengine terminals. Tektronix (1-800-225-5434) provides an X terminal with the Xtouch touch-screen. This terminal may also be resold through Trident Systems (703-273-1012). Metro Link (305-970-7353) supports the EloGraphics Serial Touch Screen Controllers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 70) Where can I get an X server on a PC (DOS or Unix)? MIT X11R5 already provides a server to many 386/486 *Unixes* with support for many of the popular video graphics adapters; and for other non-MSDOS PCs you can obtain a server from these sources: XFree86 (formerly X386 1.2E) is an enhanced version of X386 1.2, which was distributed with X11R5; it includes many bug fixes, speed improvements, and other enhancements. Source for version 1.2 [2/93] is on export.lcs.mit.edu in pub/contrib, ftp.physics.su.oz.au in /X386, and ftp.win.tue.nl in /pub/X386. In addition, binaries are on ftp.physics.su.oz.au, and ftp.win.tue.nl among other systems. Info: x386@physics.su.oz.au. Note: this package obsoletes Glenn Lai's Speedup patches for an enhanced X11R5 server for 386 UNIXes with ET4000 boards (SpeedUp.tar.Z on export). Metro Link Inc. (305-970-7353, sales@metrolink.com; in Europe contact ADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333) ships an implementation of X11R4 for the 386/486 Unix market. SGCS offers X386 Version 1.3, based on Thomas Roell's X11R5 two-headed server, in binary and source form. Information: 408-255-9665, info@sgcs.com. ISC, SCO, UHC, and other well-known operating-system vendors typically offer X servers. For MSDOS PCs: Daniel J. McCoy (mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov) has started posting monthly a list of non-UNIX servers for PCs, Macs, and Amigas; it includes pricing information. The current copy is kept on export in contrib as XServers-NonUNIX.txt.Z. An article on PC X servers appears in the March 2, 1992 Open Systems Today. Also of possible use: Net-I from Programit (212-809-1707) enables communication among DOS, OS/2 and Unix machines and can be used to display PC sessions on your Unix X display. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 71) Where can I get an X server on a Macintosh running MacOS? eXodus from White Pine Software (603-886-9050) runs on any Mac with at least 1MB of memory and runs the X server within a standard Macintosh window. Version 3.0 [6/91] supports intermixing of X and Mac windows and the ADSP protocol. The version supports the SHAPE extension and includes DECwindows support. Apple's MacX runs on MacPlus or newer machines with >= 2MB of memory and system software 6.0.4 or later. Version 1.1 is fully X11R4-based. It supports full ICCCM-compatible cut and paste of text AND graphics between the Macintosh and X11 worlds, the SHAPE extension (including SHAPEd windows on the Macintosh desktop), an optional built-in ICCCM-compliant window manager, X11R4 fonts and colors, a built-in BDF font compiler, and built-in standard colormaps. Upgrades to MacX are available by ftp from aux.support.apple.com. Info: 408-996-1010. [Note: MacX is also the name of a vax-mac xmodem transfer utility.] Also: Liken (1-800-245-UNIX or info@qualix.com) software enables monochrome 68000 Mac applications to run on a SPARC system running X. Xport (1-800-245-UNIX (415-572-0200) or xport@qualix.com) enables Mac applications to display on an X-based workstation by turning the Mac into an X client. Intercon has a product called Planet-X which enables Mac applications to display on an X server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 72) Where can I get X for the Amiga? The new Amiga 3000 machines offer an X server and OPEN LOOK tools and libraries on a full SVR4 implementation. GfxBase, Inc. provides ""X11 R4.1"" for the AmigaDos computer; it contains X11R4 clients, fonts, etc., and a Release 4 color server. An optional programmer's toolkit includes the header files, libraries, and sample programs. Info from GfxBase, 408-262-1469. [Dale Luck (uunet!{cbmvax|pyramid}!boing!dale); 2/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 73) Where can I get a fast X server for a workstation? The R5 server should be among the fastest available for most machines. Sun sells a ""Direct Xlib"" product which improves rendering for applications running on the same machine as the X server; the replacement Xlib library accesses graphics hardware directly using Sun's Direct Graphics Access (DGA) technology. International Quest Corporation (408-988-8289) has an optimized R4 server for Sun3/4 under SunOS 4.0. Unipalm have R4 Servers for Sun3 and Sparc platforms. These are optimised to use graphics hardware and will run with Sunview. Information: +44 954 211797 or xtech@unipalm.co.uk. Xgraph's Xtool (408-492-9031) is an X server implemented in SunView which boasts impressive results on Sun 3 and SPARC systems. [6/90] Several companies are making hardware accellerator boards: Dupont Pixel Systems (302-992-6911), for Sun. Megatek's (619-455-5590) X-cellerator board for the Sun 3 and Sun 4 is based on the TI 34020; the company claims performance improvements of 5x to 10x over the sample X11R3 server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 74)! Where can I get a server for my high-end Sun graphics board? Takahashi Naoto (Electrotechnical Laboratory, ntakahas@etl.go.jp) has modified the MIT X11R5 server to support the Sun CG8, CG9, and CG12 boards. The files are on export in contrib/Xsun24-3.[01].tar.Z. Note that both files are necessary to build Xsun24-3.1. The JPL R5 Xsun Multi-screen server is a general purpose replacement for the MIT server/ddx/sun layer; it provides for the screen to be split among several monitors and implements several other features above the MIT implementation. Available on export.lcs.mit.edu in the file contrib/R5.Xsun.multi-screen.tar.Z. [Kaleb Keithley, kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov, 12/91; the file was updated 24 Mar 1993.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 75) Where can I get an ""X terminal"" server for my low-end Sun 3/50? Seth Robertson (seth@ctr.columbia.edu) has written Xkernel; the current version [1.4 as of 8/91, 2.0 expected RSN] is on sol.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.40] in /pub/Xkernel.gamma. It turns a Sun 3/50 into a pseudo- X terminal; most of the overhead of the operating system is side-stepped, so it is fairly fast and needs little disk space. A similar approach is to run the regular X server by making /etc/init a shell script which does the minimal setup and then invokes Xsun, like this example script from mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.EDU: #! /bin/sh exec >/dev/console 2>&1 /etc/fsck -p /dev/nd0 case $? in 0) ;; 4) /etc/reboot -q -n ;; 8) echo ND fsck failed - get help /etc/halt ;; 12) echo Interrupted /etc/reboot ;; *) echo Unknown error in reboot fsck - get help /etc/halt ;; esac /bin/dd if=/tmp-fs of=/dev/nd2 bs=512 count=128 >/dev/null 2>&1 /etc/mount /dev/nd2 /tmp /etc/ifconfig le0 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 132.206.41.255 /etc/mount -o ro apollo:/u2/x11/lib /local/lib/X11 /etc/route add default 132.206.41.1 1 >/dev/null set `/etc/ifconfig le0` exec /Xsun -once -multidisp -mux -query \ `(sh -vn &1)` ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 76) What terminal emulators other than xterm are available? PCS has rewritten xterm from scratch using a multi-widget approach that can be used by applications. A version is on the R5 contrib tape and on export in contrib/emu.tar.Z [10/91]. For more information, contact me@dude.pcs.com. mxterm, a Motif-based xterm is available from the Paderborner ftp-Server ftp@uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32), file /unix/X11/more_contrib/mxterm.tar.Z. The Color Terminal Widget provides ANSI-terminal emulation compatible with the VTx00 series; a version is on export in contrib/CTW-1.1.tar.Z. A Motif version is on ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr in pub/Term-1.0.tar.Z. kterm 4.1.2 is an X11R4-based vt100/vt102 (and Tektronix 4014) terminal emulator that supports display of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean text (in VT mode). Also supported are: ANSI color sequences, multi-byte word selection, limited Compound Text support, and tab and newline preservation in selections. kterm 4.1.2 is also available from these anonymous ftp sites: clr.nmsu.edu:pub/misc/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z [128.123.1.14] export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z [18.24.0.12] kum.kaist.ac.kr:pub/unix/Xstuffs/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z [137.68.1.65] [courtesy of Mark Leisher ] kterm-5.1.1.tar.Z is now on export [12/92]. mterm, by mouse@larry.McRCIM.McGill.EDU, is an X terminal emulator which includes ANSI X3.64 and DEC emulation modes. mterm can be had by ftp to larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1), in X/mterm.src/mterm.ball-o-wax. Cxterm is a Chinese xterm, which supports both GB2312-1980 and the so-called Big-5 encoding. Hanzi input conversion mechanism is builtin in cxterm. Most input methods are stored in external files that are loaded at run time. Users can redefine any existing input methods or create their own ones. The X11R5 cxterm is the rewritten of cxterm (version 11.5.1) based on X11R5 xterm; it is in the R5 contrib software. [thanks to Zhou Ning and Steinar Bang .] XVT is available on export's contrib in xvt-1.0.tar.Z and xvt-1.0.README. It is designed to offer xterm's functionality with lower swap space and may be of particular use on systems driving many X terminals. x3270 is in X11R5 contrib/. Also: IBM sells a 3270 emulator for the RS/6000 (part #5765-011); it's based on Motif. Century Software (801-268-3088) sells a VT220 terminal emulator for X. VT102, Wyse 50 and SCO Color Console emulation are also available. Grafpoint's TGRAF-X provides emulation of Tektronix 4107, 4125, and 42xx graphics terminals; it's available for most major platforms. Information (inc. free demo copies): 800-426-2230; Fax. 408-446-0666; uunet!grafpnt!sales. IXI's X.deskterm, a package for integrating character-based applications into an X environment, includes a number of terminal-emulation modules. Information: +44 (0223) 462131. [5/90] Pericom produces Teem-X, a set of several emulation packages for a number of Tek, DEC, Westward, and Data General terminals. The software runs on Sun 3, Sun 4, Apollo, DEC, ISC, IBM/AIX. Information: US: 609-895-0404, UK: +44 (0908) 560022. [5/90] SCO's SCOterm (info@sco.COM), part of its Open Desktop environment, is a Motif-compliant SCO ANSI color console emulator. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 77)! Where can I get an X-based editor or word-processor? You can ftp a version of GNU Emacs, the extensible, customizable, self-documenting, real-time display editor, including X11 support, from prep.ai.mit.edu [18.71.0.38]:/pub/gnu/emacs-18.59.tar.Z or informatik.tu-muenchen.de:/pub/GNU/emacs/emacs-18.59.tar.Z. Epoch is a modified version of Gnu Emacs (18) with additional facilities useful in an X environment. Current sources are on cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1) in ~ftp/pub/epoch-files/epoch; the current [3/92] version is 4.0. [In Europe, try unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de]. There are two subdirectories: epoch contains the epoch source, and gwm contains the source to the programmable window manager GWM, with which epoch works well.] You can get on the Epoch mailing list by sending a request to epoch-request@cs.uiuc.edu. Lucid Emacs is a version of GNU Emacs derived from an early version of Emacs version 19. It currently requires X Windows to run; X support is greatly enhanced over GNU Emacs version 18, including support for multiple X windows, input and display of all ISO-8859-1 (Latin1) characters, Zmacs/Lispm style region highlighting, a customizable Motif-like menubar, more powerful keymap support, flexible text attributes, support on regional and screen-local basis through X resources and/or lisp, and support for the X11 selection mechanism. Lucid Emacs is free; the latest version (2/93) is 19.4, and is available from labrea.stanford.edu in the pub/gnu/lucid/ directory. The Andrew system on the X11 contrib tapes has been described as one of the best word-processing packages available. It supports word processing with multi-media embedded objects: rasters, tables/spread sheets, drawings, style editor, application builder, embedded programming language, &c. Release 5.1 became available 2 June 92. [Fred Hansen (wjh+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)] You may be able to use the Remote Andrew Demo service to try this software; try ""finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu"" for help. The InterViews C++ toolkit contains a WYSIWIG editor called Doc; it saves and loads files in a LaTeX-*like* format (not quite LaTeX). The package can also import idraw-PostScript drawings. A simple editor aXe (by J.K.Wight@newcastle.ac.uk) is available on export and arjuna.newcastle.ac.uk (128.240.150.1) as aXe-4.1.tar.Z [3/93]. It is based around the Xaw Text widget. TED is a simple Motif-based text editor; it is a wrapper around the Motif text widget which offers search/replace, paragraph formatting, and navigation features. TED is available from ftp.eos.ncsu.edu (152.1.9.25) as /pub/bill.tar.Z; here are also executables there. Point, by crowley@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Charlie Crowley), is Tcl/Tk-based and offers dyanimic configuration and programming in the Tcl macro language. The editor is available from unmvax.cs.unm.edu (129.24.16.1) as pub/Point/point1.1-tar.Z. asedit, by Andrzej Stochniol (astoch@ic.ac.uk) is on export in contrib/asedit.tar.Z. It is a simple text editor built around the Motif Text widget. Version 1.11 was released 1/93. Also: Elan Computer Group (Mountain View, CA; 415-964-2200) has announced the Avalon Publisher 2.0, an X11/OPEN LOOK WYSIWYG electronic publishing system. FrameMaker and FrameWriter are available as X-based binary products for several machines. Frame is at 800-843-7263 (CA: 408-433-3311). WX2 (formerly InDepthEdit) is available from Non Standard Logics (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr). Buzzwords International Inc. has an editor called 'Professional Edit' that runs under X/Motif for various platforms. Info: +1-314-334-6317. DECwrite is available from DEC for some DEC hardware and SunWrite is available from Sun. IslandWrite will soon be available from Island Graphics (415-491-1000) (info@island.com) for some HP & Apollo platforms. Interleaf is currently available from Interleaf (800-241-7700, MA: 617-577-9800) on all Sun and DEC platforms; others are under development. The Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX, MA: 508-870-0300) include a multi-font WYSIWG document composer; for several systems. ArborText, Inc. provides an X11 version of its Electronic Publishing program called ""The Publisher"". The Publisher is available on Sun, HP and Apollo workstations. Contact Arbortext at 313-996-3566. [5/90] Iris Computing Laboratories offers the ""ie"" editor. Info: +1-505-988-2670 or info@spectro.com. BBN/Slate from BBN Software Products includes a menu-driven word processor with multiple fonts and style sheets. It supports X on multiple platforms. (617-873-5000 or slate-offer@bbn.com) [11/90] The powerful ""sam"" editor by Rob Pike is split into a host portion and a front-end graphics portion, which now has an X implementation. sam is now available by anonymous ftp from research.att.com, in dist/sam/bundle.Z. Watch that space for updated versions. There is a mailing list for sam users; requests to . A set of extensions which augment the mouse activity with the keyboard is available from uxc.cso.uiuc.edu in pub/sam/samx1.0.shar. Innovative Solutions (505-883-4252; or Brian Zimbelman, is!brian@bbx.basis.com) publishes the user-configurable Motif-based Xamine editor. Qualix offers a product. Information: info@qualix.com or 800-245-UNIX (415-572-0200). Typex is a Motif-based editor available for several systems. Information: Amcad Research, 408-867-5705, fax -6209. WordPerfect offers an X-based version of WordPerfect 5.1 for several workstations. Information: 801-222-5300 or 800-451-5151. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 78) Where can I get an X-based mailer? xmh, an X interface to mh, is distributed with the X11 release. Xmail is an X-based window interface to Berkeley-style mail handlers; it is styled primarily after the Sunview mailtool application and builds on most Unix systems. The current release [1/92] is 1.4, available in the MIT X11R5 contrib tape and from export and uunet. Info: Jeff Markham, markham@cadence.com. MMH (My Mail Handler), a motif interface to the MH mail handler, is available from ftp.eos.ncsu.edu (152.1.9.25) in pub/bill.tar.Z; it is bundled with the TED editor, which it uses for composing messages. Motif 1.1 is required; if you don't have it, look for DEC and SPARC executables in the same place. Information and problems to: Erik Scott, escott@eos.ncsu.edu. [1/92] The Andrew Toolkit supports the Andrew Message System; it is available from export and many other X archives and from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu (128.2.30.62), or send email to susan+@andrew.cmu.edu. Release 5.1 became available 2 June 92. You may be able to use the Remote Andrew Demo service to try this software; try ""finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu"" for help. XMailTool is an Xaw-based interface to a BSD-style mail reader; version 2.0 was released 9/92. Information: Bob Kierski, bobo@cray.com or 612-683-5874. Cem is a Motif-based mailer using standard mailbox formats; it is on nelson.tx.ncsu.edu in pub/Cem. Information: Sam Moore (Sam_Moore@ncsu.edu). Also: Alfalfa Software offers Poste, a UNIX-based mailer that has Motif- and command-based interfaces. It includes support for multimedia enclosures, and supports both the Internet and X.400 mail standards. Information: info@alfalfa.com, +1 617-497-2922. Z-Code Software offers Z-Mail for most Unix systems; binaries support both tty and Motif interfaces. The mailer includes a csh-like scripting language for customizing and extending mail capabilities. Information: info@z-code.com, +1 415 499-8649. Several vendors' systems include X-based mailers. DEC offers dxmail; Sun offers an X-based mailtool; SCO (info@sco.com) includes SCOmail in its Open Desktop product. Several integrated office-productivity tools include mailers: The Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX, MA: 508-870-0300) include a mailer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 79)! Where can I get an X-based paint/draw program? xpic is an object-oriented drawing program. It supports multiple font styles and sizes and variable line widths; there are no rotations or zooms. xpic is quite suitable as an interactive front-end to pic, though the xpic-format produced can be converted into PostScript. (The latest version is on the R4 contrib tape in clients/xpic.) xfig (by Brian V. Smith (bvsmith@lbl.gov)) is an object-oriented drawing program supporting compound objects. The xfig format can be converted to PostScript or other formats. Recent versions are on the R5 contrib tape or on export in /contrib/R5fixes (version 2.1.6 [11/92]). idraw supports numerous fonts and various line styles and arbitrary rotations. It supports zoom and scroll and color draws and fills. The file format is a PostScript dialect. It can import TIFF files. Distributed as a part of the InterViews C++ toolkit (current release 3.1, from interviews.stanford.edu) . A version of Robert Forsman's (thoth@lightning.cis.ufl.edu) xscribble, an 8-bit paint program for X, is now on ftp.cis.ufl.edu in pub/thoth/. [2/93] xpaint is available from ftp.ee.lbl.gov as xpaint.tar.Z. A rewrite, Xpaint 2.0, by David Koblas (koblas@netcom.com) was released 2/93 as xpaint2pl3.tar.Z. xpaint is a bitmap/pixmap editing tool. A new OpenWindows PostScript-based graphical editor named 'ice' is now [2/91] available for anonymous ftp from Internet host lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (129.236.10.30). ice (Image Composition Environment) is an imaging tool that allows raster images to be combined with a wide variety of PostScript annotations in WYSIWYG fashion via X11 imaging routines and NeWS PostScript rasterizing. (It may require OpenWindows and Sun C++ 2.0.) tgif by William Cheng (william@oahu.cs.ucla.edu) is available from most uucp sites and also from export and from cs.ucla.edu. It is frequently updated; version 2.12-patch18 was released 3/93. The ""pixmap"" program (info: colas@sa.inria.fr) for creating pixmaps is on the R5 contrib tape; it resembles the bitmap client. Version 2.1 is now available. [11/92] Although MetaCard is not generally classified as a paint program, a full 24-bit color image editor is built into the program, which can be used for light image editing and for producing color icons (info@metacard.com). MetaCard is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.metacard.com, csn.org, or 128.138.213.21. pixt by J. Michael Flanery produces XPM output. Also: dxpaint is a bitmap-oriented drawing program most like MacPaint; it's good for use by artists but commonly held to be bad for drawing figures or drafting. dxpaint is part of DEC's Ultrix release. FrameMaker has some draw capabilities. [4/90] BBN/Slate from BBN Software Products includes a full-featured draw and paint program with object grouping and multiple patterns; multiple X platforms. (617-873-5000 or slate-offer@bbn.com). [11/90] Dux Ta-Dah!, 1-800-543-4999 IslandGraphics offers IslandDraw, IslandPaint, IslandPresent. Info: 415-491-1000. Corel Draw, 613-728-8200; ported to X by Prior Data Sciences 800-267-2626 Arts&Letters Composer, 214-661-8960 Ficor AutoGraph, 513-771-4466 OpenWindows includes the olpixmap editor. SCO ODT includes the SCOpaint editor. HP VUE includes the vueicon editor. Several integrated office-productivity tools include draw/paint capabilities: The Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX, MA: 508-870-0300) include draw/paint capabilities. [thanks in part to Stephen J. Byers (af997@cobcs1.cummins.com) and to J. Daniel Smith (dsmith@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net ""Just the FAQs, ma'am."" -- Joe Friday -- David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc. day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net ";-1;0 "From: ianhogg@milli.cs.umn.edu (Ian J. Hogg) Subject: Re: How do I find my AppContext? Keywords: Context, Xt, motif, application Nntp-Posting-Host: milli.cs.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. Lines: 16 In article <1qvatv$9ic@pandora.sdsu.edu> masc0442@ucsnews.sdsu.edu (Todd Greene) writes: > > >Is there an Xt call to give me my application context? >I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut, >whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use >to give me this value? > You can get the ApplicationContext associated with a widget by calling XtWidgetToApplicationContext. -- =============================================================================== Ian Hogg ianhogg@cs.umn.edu (612) 424-6332 ";-1;0 "From: bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) Subject: Re: CView answers Organization: a2i network Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero In <1993Apr17.113223.12092@imag.fr> schaefer@imag.imag.fr (Arno Schaefer) writes: >Sorry, Bryan, this is not quite correct. Remember the VGALIB package that comes >with Linux/SLS? It will switch to VGA 320x200x256 mode *without* Xwindows. >So at least it is *possible* to write a GIF viewer under Linux. However I don't >think that there exists a similar SVGA package, and viewing GIFs in 320x200 is >not very nice. No, VGALIB? Amazing.. I guess it was lost in all those subdirs :-) Thanks for correcting me. It doesn't sound very appealing though, only 320x200? I'm glad it wasn't something major I missed. Thanks, ";1;1 "From: philly@bach.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) Subject: Let's Talk Phillies Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 20 The Phillies salvaged their weekend series against the Chicago Cubs by beating them 11-10 in a wild one at Wrigley Field Sunday afternoon. It was the Phils only win in the three game series, and was the first time the Phillies have lost a series in the young season. The Phils jumped to a 6-0 lead in the game thanks to 2 John Kruk 2-run homers and two Wes Chamberlain homers. However Danny Jackson, and the Phillies middle relief was unable to hold the lead. Mitch Williams entered the game with the Phillies leading 8-4, however Candy Maldonado hit a ninth inning homerun to tie it. In the 11th, Dave Hollins hit a three-run shot, his first of the year to push the Phils ahead to stay. However, in a shaky bottom of the 11th the Cubs scored 2 runs and had the tying runner on base when the Cubs pinch hit Randy Myers for Bob Scanlan (they were out of position players) and Myers bunted into a double play to end the game. The Phils bring their league leading 9-3 record back to action Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday against the Padres. ";14;1 "From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () Subject: Re: Fungus ""epidemic"" in CA? Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 26 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu In article <19435@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >>In article steward@cup.portal.com (John Joseph Deltuvia) writes: >> >>>There was a story a few weeks ago on a network news show about some sort >>>of fungus which supposedly attacks the bone structure and is somewhat >>>widespread in California. Anybody hear anything about this one? >> > >The only fungus I know of from California is Coccidiomycosis. I >hadn't heard that it attacked bone. It attacks lung and if you >are especially unlucky, the central nervous system. Nothing new >about it. It's been around for years. THey call it ""valley >fever"", since it is found in the inland valleys, not on the coast. There is a mini-epidemic of Coccidiodes that is occurring in, I believe, the Owen's Valley/ Bishop area east of the Sierras. I don't believe there has been any great insight into the increased incidence in that area. There is a low-level of endemic infection in that region. Many people with evidence of past exposure to the organism did not have serious disease. Brian > ";-1;0 "From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Distribution: na Lines: 15 In article holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: >Note that measures to protect yourself from >TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know. I think this to be inaccurate. One can buy TEMPEST equipment commercially. Even Macs. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. ";-1;0 "From: maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler) Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal Nntp-Posting-Host: pelvoux Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France Lines: 43 In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: |> |> From: Center for Policy Research |> Subject: Unconventional peace proposal |> |> |> A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. |> ---------------------------------------------------------- by |> Elias Davidsson |> |> 1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants |> for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew |> and the other Palestinian-Arab. |> |> 2. To be entitled for a grant, a couple will have to prove |> that one of the partners possesses or is entitled to Israeli |> citizenship under the Law of Return and the other partner, |> although born in areas under current Isreali control, is not |> entitled to such citizenship under the Law of Return. |> |> 3. For the first child, the grant will amount to $18.000. For |> the second the third child, $12.000 for each child. For each |> subsequent child, the grant will amount to $6.000 for each child. ... |> I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as |> well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful |> discussion and enrichment. |> |> Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND Maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned, but have you heard about something called Love? It used to play some role in people's considerations for getting married. Of course I know some people who married fictitiously in order to get a green card, but making a common child for 18,000$? The power of AA is limited. Your proposal is indeed unconventional. =============================================================== Oded Maler, LGI-IMAG, Bat D, B.P. 53x, 38041 Grenoble, France Phone: 76635846 Fax: 76446675 e-mail: maler@imag.fr =============================================================== ";-1;0 "From: kissane@black.Berkeley.EDU (John G. Kissane) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Nntp-Posting-Host: black Reply-To: kissane@rtsg.mot.com (John G. Kissane) Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 7 As a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the US while here in Europe they are rare??? Just wondering..... -- ___________________________________________________________________ ____/| John Kissane | Motorola Ireland Ltd., | \'o.O' UUCP : ..uunet!motcid!glas!kissanej | Mahon Industrial Estate, | =() ()= Internet: kissanej@glas.rtsg.mot.com | Blackrock, Cork, Ireland | U ";-1;0 "From: tsp@ccd.harris.com (Timothy S. Pillsbury) Subject: need ACS tutorial and/or netlist examples Originator: tsp@sp1 Keywords: ACS,SPICE,simulation Organization: Harris Controls Lines: 18 I recently ftp'd Al's Circuit Simulator (ACS) and I'm looking for the tutorial which is mentioned in the Users Manual (but not found there). I don't have any experience constructing a netlist (such as for SPICE) and I need a little help. The examples which come with ACS aren't explanatory about the translation between schematic and netlist. Does anyone have the fabled ""Tutorial"" or any other reference which could help me in constructing a netlist from a schematic diagram? (I also emailed Al himself but received no response yet. He's probably busy with his next release.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Pillsbury Internet: tsp@ccd.harris.com uunet: uunet!ccd.harris.com!timothy.pillsbury ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) Subject: Eric Bosco where are you? Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University Lines: 4 Eric, send me your email address, I lost it! I've reconsidered! Kevin ";-1;0 "From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Lines: 47 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms >'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. Not provable. It's about as ""provable"" as the number of votes vast for Bill Clinton in the last election. If you accept the information available, you can prove one way or the other. If you refuse to accept it, nothing is ""provable."" >I think that that >there are actually *few* cases where this is so. Fine, support your assertation. But, you haven't supported any assertations just yet. The National Crime Survey, that secret Arm of the NRA, estimates between 40,000 and 50,000 with-gun self-defenses from assaults, and is considered to considerably under-report. When broken down by weapon, there is no form of ""self-defense"" including dowing nothing which is more effective at avoiding injury or death. >The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary >opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who >would argue with you about a parking space, those who would >take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes. Ok, support *this* assertation. Hell, support *one*. >Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery. That's nice. >In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms. That's nice, too. >The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. Why on Earth should we? If you're correct we've nothing to lose by continuing to argue against it and everything to gain. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" ";3;1 "From: cca20@keele.ac.uk (J. Atherton) Subject: serial printing in Windows Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] I am getting Garbled output when serial printing thru Windows & works etc. This has occurred on several systems and goes if a LaserJet 4 is used. I suspect that there is no need for handshaking in this case due to the capacity (memory/speed) of it. There is no problem printing from DOS. Are there any obvious tweaks I'm missing. I'm sure its not JUST me with this problem. Thanks for reading.... John Atherton ";-1;0 "Nntp-Posting-Host: dougn.byu.edu Lines: 24 From: $stephan@sasb.byu.edu (Stephan Fassmann) Subject: Re: [lds] Are the Mormons the True Church? Organization: BYU In article psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes: >From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) >Subject: [lds] Are the Mormons the True Church? >Date: 20 Apr 93 06:29:00 GMT > > IS THE MORMON CHURCH CHRIST'S TRUE CHURCH? > [...lots of stuff about intellectual errors deleted...] This is cute, but I see no statement telling me why your church is the true church. I do presume that you know or at least believe that yours is true. Attempting to ream my faith without replacing it with something ""better"" is a real good way to loose a person completely from Christ. This is the greatest reason I see that these attacks are not motivated by love. They only seek to destroy there is no building or replacing of belief. This is not something Christ did. He guided and instructed He didn't seek to destroy the faith He found, He redirected it. This is what I see when people say they ""love"" . And I have to laugh at the irony. Please excuse the scarcasm but it was nice to say it. Oh, BTW Robert don't take this personally, your post was merely convinent. ";-1;0 "From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) Subject: Re: Cheapest mike for Centris? Article-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.220053.27621 Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa. USA Lines: 13 In article summeral@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Summerall Thomas G) writes: > >I just bought a Centris 650 and discovered, to my dispointment, that Apple >has gotten too cheap to include a mike anymore, internal or external. You get a mic with the C650 if you get it with the internal CD ROM drive. Gary -- ----- Gary Snow uunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu ";-1;0 "From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu) Subject: Good Hard-Disk driver for non-Apple drives? (Sys 7.1 compat.) Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-20.hut.fi Reply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 14 Hi there! What is your recommendation for a good hard-disk driver software for non-Apple drives? I would mainly need it for a SyQuest removable media drive, but maybe for some normal drives too. I have heard and seen good things about SilverLining, but don't know any competitors. It does not need to be fancy, filled with features... I more like it affordable. Thanks -- Jartsu ";-1;0 "From: tom@inferno.UUCP (Tom Sherwin) Subject: Re: XV under MS-DOS ?!? Organization: Periphonics Corporation Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ablaze |> Hi ... Recently I found XV for MS-DOS in a subdirectory of GNU-CC (GNUISH). I |> use frequently XV on a Sun Spark Station 1 and I never had problems, but when I |> start it on my computer with -h option, it display the help menu and when I |> start it with a GIF-File my Hard disk turns 2 or 3 seconds and the prompt come |> back. |> |> My computer is a little 386/25 with copro, 4 Mega rams, Tseng 4000 (1M) running |> MS-DOS 5.0 with HIMEM.SYS and no EMM386.SYS. 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";-1;0 "Subject: Re: [lds] Rick's reply From: Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 95 In article , psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) says: > Just briefly, on something that you mentioned in passing. You refer to > differing interpretations of ""create,"" and say that many Christians may > not agree. So what? That is really irrelevant. We do not base our faith > on how many people think one way or another, do we? The bottom line is > truth, regardless of popularity of opinions. I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing heresy. I assumed that heresy meant a departure from orthodoxy, in which case generally accepted belief is indeed an important issue. In this case, the definition of the word ""create"" is of great importance, since creation is the issue being discussed. > > Also, I find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created > and eternally existent are equivalent, you say ""granted the Mormon > belief..."" You can't grant your conclusion and then expect the point to > have been addressed. In order to reply to the issue, you have to address > and answer the point that was raised, and not just jump to the > conclusion that you grant. I should have said ""given the Mormon belief."" If you disagree with the Mormon belief that creation is more a function of organization of eternally existent substance than one of ex nihilo creation, then that is the important point. > The Bible states that Lucifer was created. The Bible states that Jesus > is the creator of all. The contradiction that we have is that the LDS > belief is that Jesus and Lucifer were the same. Correction: you interpret the Bible to mean something very specific by such terms. > The Mormon belief is that all are children of God. Literally. There is > nothing symbolic about it. This however, contradicts what the Bible > says. The Bible teaches that not everyone is a child of God: > It always cracks me up when anti-Mormons presume to tell Mormons what they believe. Mormons do, in fact, believe that all people, including Christ and Lucifer, are children of God in the sense that we were all created (or organized or whatever) by Him. We also believe that being ""offspring"" of God has a symbolic sense when applied to being spiritually ""born again"" of Him. Thus the same word can be used to convey different meanings. This is how language works, Robert, and it's why making someone an offender for a word is dangerous. > This is really a red herring. It doesn't address any issue raised, but > rather, it seeks to obfuscate. The fact that some groups try to read > something into the Bible, doesn't change what the Bible teaches. For <...> > We first look to the Bible to see what it teaches. To discount, or not > even address, what the Bible teaches because there are some groups that > have differing views is self-defeating. To see what the Bible teaches, > you have to look at the Bible. On the contrary, Robert, it is not a red herring at all to show that those who rely wholly on the Bible cannot seem to agree on what it says. You say that one must simply ""look at the Bible"" to see what it teaches, but centuries of people doing just that have sho0wn that no one is really sure what it says. Are we to believe that you are the only one who really understands the scriptures? > I find this rather curious. When I mentioned that the Mormon belief is > that Jesus needed to be saved, I put forward some quotes from the late > apostle, Bruce McConkie. The curious part is that no one addressed the > issue of `Jesus needing to be saved.' Rick comes the closest with his ""I > have my own conclusions"" to addressing the point. Let me clarify this one more time. You did not refer to the Mormon belief that Jesus needed to be saved, but rather to McConkie's belief in same. We keep trying to point out to you that Bruce McConkie is not the source of Mormon doctrine, and you keep ignoring it. (see below) > > Most of the other replies have instead hop-scotched to the issue of > Bruce McConkie and whether his views were 'official doctrine.' I don't > think that it matters if McConkie's views were canon. That is not the > issue. Were McConkie's writings indicative of Mormon belief on this > subject is the real issue. The indication from Rick is that they may > certainly be. On the contrary, Robert, if you are quoting McConkie's words as Mormon canon then the question of whether they are canon or not is of *great* importance. The fact is that they are not. Whether or not they indicate general Mormon belief would only be ascertainable by interviewing a large number of Mormons. > > >============================= >Robert Weiss >psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu -- Rick Anderson librba@BYUVM.BITNET ";19;1 "From: Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein) Subject: Jewish Broadcasters (was Jewish Baseball Players?) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 8 For that matter, how many Gentleman of The Press Box have been Jewish? The only Jewish sportscaster that comes to mind is Steve Williams (?), who had a Phillies show on KYW in Philadelphia in the 80s. -- Mark Bernstein Eastgate Systems, Inc. 134 Main Street Watertown MA 02172 USA voice: (800) 562-1638 in USA +1(617) 924-9044 Eastgate@world.std.com Compuserve: 76146,262 AppleLink:Eastgate ";-1;0 "From: acooney@netcom.com (Alan Cooney) Subject: Re: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 48 I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and word has it that something similar is on its way here. Since we apparently don't have the sensor base you folks have, they're installing cameras at strategic points along the freeways (initial tests are going to be in the Santa Clara area I'm told), with the video being piped into a command center they're building somewhere in the East Bay. I'm not sure if frame grabbers or cheap labor will be used to interpret the data, but large multi-colored status displays will show the various routes using different colors to represent the various average speeds for each stretch of highway. An announcer will sit in front of the status 'wall', and will relay continuous verbal traffic status to those who want to receive it. They're apparently also looking into licensing a low-AM frequency to be dedicated to providing continuous audio from this system. In the mean time, they'll set up large incandescent display boards along the test stretch to provide commuters with data on traffic conditions up ahead. My understanding is that the system is subsidized as a pilot program, and information from it will be available free of charge. Perhaps the LA system is similarly free or provided at an obviously subsidized rate (read ""cheap""). We also have the traffic reports that are broadcast on the SAP audio channel of television channels 2 and 36. These are verbal reports, qualified with a identification tone to tell in-vehicle receivers like the 'Auto Talk' that the information coming next is applicable to a given area. In LA, they're probably using some other TV channels, but the concept is the same. Try setting your stereo TV or VCR to receive the SAP audio channel, and go station jumping to find out which one is broadcasting this information. I believe this program is also subsidized, making the in-vehicle receivers cheap to purchase (and without having to incur monthly fees to use it). Since the makers of these in-vehicle receivers don't have to pay for the broadcast (this may not be completely true), they likely have no investment in keeping the system up and running when the Cal Trans stuff hits the airwaves. You may have a nifty little TV audio receiver in your car, nothing more, when this happens. Perhaps a word to the wise...? ;) I think we'd all be interested in a summary post if you get more info on how the LA system is networked and paid for. Cheers, Alan ";-1;0 "From: rps@arbortext.COM (Ralph Seguin) Subject: NumLock masking? interference with Meta/Compose/ExtendChar, ... Organization: The Internet Lines: 17 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state > of CapsLock and/or NumLock is? Alright. Ignore this. I have delved a bit deeper (XKeyEvent) and found what I was looking for. ev->state has a bunch of masks to check against (LockMask is the one for CapsLock). Unfortunately, it appears that the NumLock mask varies from server to server. How does one tell what mask is numlock and which are for Meta (Mod1Mask, Mod2Mask, Mod3Mask, Mod4Mask, Mod5Mask). eg, SGI's vendor server has Mod2Mask being NumLock, whereas Solaris 1.0.1 OpenWindows 3.0 has Mod3Mask for NumLock. Is there an unambiguous means of determining NumLock's mask at runtime for any given server? Sorry for the wasted bandwidth and my appalling ignorance. Thanks, Ralph ";-1;0 "From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) Subject: For Sale: Game Boy Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 10 For sale: Nintendo Game Boy, Tetris, Castlevania Adventure, All-Star Challenge, Nemesis, Play-Action football, link cable. Make me an offer. Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. I define myself--tsa@cellar.org ";-1;0 "From: mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com >>How can the government tell which encryption method one is using without >>being able to decode the traffic? i.e., In order to accuse me of using an >>unauthorized strong encryption technique they would have to take both >>keys out of escrow, run them against my ciphertext and ""draw a blank"". > > I was thinking about this, also. It's quite possible the >system transmits, in clear, the serial number of the device being >used. That way they can start a tap, get the serial number, and use >the warrant for the first tap to get the key. > > If they tap someone who's apparently using encryption, but >don't find that prefix, then they'll assume it's an ""un-authorized"" >encryption scheme. This doesn't handle superencrypted traffic. If the clipper doesn't impose any unfortunate performance side-effects there's no reason not to use it to superencrypt a stream of triple-DES encrypted traffic. That way your traffic looks ""normal"" and perhaps anyone desiring to listen in won't even bother, since they know nobody's going to really trust crypto that has classified internals for important stuff. mjr. ";-1;0 "From: brownli@ohsu.edu@ohsu.edu (Liane Brown) Subject: DOCTRINE OF GOD Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 111 This is being posted as a general outline for your personal study of this doctrine: THE DOCTRINE OF GOD I. THE PERSONS OF THE GODHEAD Of all of the doctrines of Scripture, this is the most important. The Bible is pre-eminently a revelation of God. Therefore, our first objective in studying the Bible should be to know God. I believe that the Bible teaches that there are Three Persons in the Godhead (Trinity): God, the Father; God the Son--the Lord Jesus Christ; and God, the Holy Spirit. I believe that they are individual Persons who are one in nature, meaning that They are identical in nature, each possessing the same divine attributes. They are also equally worthy of our worship, our trust, and our obedience. Cf. Matt.28:19, 2 Cor.13:14; John 14:8,9,16,17. II. THE ATTRIBUTES, or CHARACTERISTICS, OF THE GODHEAD. A. God's nature is revealed in the Name He has taken for Himself: Jehovah. He is the living God, eternal, and unchanging. He is without beginning, and without ending. Cf. Isa.42:8. B. God is a spirit. Cf. John 4:24. C. God is love. Cf. 1 John 4:8,16. As such, He is gracious, merciful, good, faithful, patient, and full of lovingkindness. Cf. Psa 89:1,2; Psa 103:8; Nahum 1:7. D. But God is also holy and righteous. He is absolutely without sin in His nature, and so is incapable of sinning in though, word, or action. Cf. Ex. 15:11; Isa. 6:3. E. God is omnipresent (everywhere present at the same time in the completeness of His Person), omniscient (all knowing, knowing all things--the end from the beginning, infinitely wise), omnipotent (almighty, sovereign, with unlimited power over all creation). God is infinite in His presence, wisdom, and power. It is my conviction that the work of the Lord in our day has become very man-centered, and that the people in our churches know very little about God. I believe that the Lord's work needs to be God-centered, and that the people of God need to understand that God is sovereign in all things: in the affairs of nations, in the lives of all people, and in the carrying out of His purposes regarding salvation. III. THE WORKS OF THE GODHEAD. A. In creation All Three Persons of the Godhead were active in creating, and all Three are active in sustaining creation, and in ordering the course of human affairs (for nations as well as individual people) to the end of time. Cf. Gen. 1:1,2; John 1:1-3; Col. 1:16-17; Heb. 1:3. B. In salvation In order to understand salvation I believe that it is absolutely necessary to begin with God, not with man. All three Persons of the Godhead have been, and are, active in salvation. 1. God, the Father Salvation originated with God. The Members of the Godhead determined in eternity past that there would be salvation, the conditions under which people could and would be saved, and even who would be saved. Election to salvation is recognized in Scripture as the work of God, the Father. Cf. Eph 1:3-4; 2 Thess 2:13-14. 2. Christ, the Son of God The Lord Jesus Christ, through His birth by the virgin Mary, came to the earth to accomplish two important works: a. He came as the final and complete revelation of God, the Father. Cf. Col 1:15; heb 1:1-3. b. He came to provide salvation for all whom the Father had chosen. He did this by His death on the Cross, by His bodily resurrection, and by His present intercessory work in heaven. The work of salvation will be completed for us when the Lord returns. Cf. Rom 5:8-10; 1 Cor 15:3- 4; Heb 7:25, 1 John 3:2. 3. The Holy Spirit As the Author of Scripture, the theme of which is Christ and His redemptive work, the Holy Spirit is carrying out the redemptive plan of God in the following ways: a. He convicts of sin. Cf. John 16:7-11 b. He regenerates (known in the Bible as the new birth). Cf. John 3:5-8. c. He indwells each believer to fulfill the work of sanctification. Cf. John 14-16-17. d. He seals every believer in Christ, thus making salvation secure. Cf. Eph 1:13-14. e. He baptizes every believer into the body of Christ. Cf. Cor. 12:13 f. He teaches every believer the truth of Scripture. Cf. John 14:26. g. He bestows spiritual gifts on the people of God for ministry. (Cf. 1 Cor 12 h. He restrains sin. Cf Gal 5:16-26. i. He empowers for living and for service. Cf. Acts 1:8 ---------------------------------- Liane Brown (Internet) brownli@ohsu.edu Portland Oregon ";-1;0 "Subject: Remarks by President Clinton to NCAA Division I Champion Hockey Team From: ""nigel allen"" Reply-To: ""nigel allen"" Distribution: rec Organization: Canada Remote Systems Lines: 158 Here is a press release from the White House. Remarks by President Clinton to NCAA Division I Champion Hockey Team April 19; Q&A Following To: National Desk Contact: White House Office of the Press Secretary, 202-456-2100 WASHINGTON, April 19 -- Following is a transcript of remarks by President Clinton to the University of Maine ""Black Bears"" NCAA Division I hockey champions: The Rose Garden 9:58 A.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good morning ladies and gentlemen. It's an honor for me to welcome the University of Maine Black Bears, the winner of the NCAA Division I hockey national championship to the Rose Garden and the White House. I understand from Senator Mitchell that this is the first team from the University of Maine every to win a national championship. And we're glad to have them here. I'm inspired not only by how the team pulled together to win the championship, but how the entire state pulled together to cheer them onto victory. Coming from a state that is also relatively small in size, but also filled with pride and tradition and community, I can understand how the people of Maine must feel about the Black Bears. In our state people are still talking about the time we won the Orange Bowl over the number one ranked football team, and that was back in 1978. I'm sure that 15 years from now, the people of Maine will as proud of this team as they are today. You know, in my state football is a slightly more popular sport than hockey. We don't have a lot of ice. (Laughter.) But after spending three months getting banged around in this town, I can understand a little more about hockey than I did before I came here. Hockey is a tough game. It's a hard-hitting sport. It does have one virtue though, there's a penalty for delay of game. I wish we had that rule in the Senate. (Laughter.) In government as in hockey, leadership is important. In the United States Senate, our team has a great captain, the Majority Leader and the senior Senator from Maine, George Mitchell; junior Senator -- Cohen looks so young, I can't imagine. (Laughter.) I'm actually bitter about Senator Cohen because he looks so much younger than me. On your hockey team, the captain Jim Montgomery has done a great job. He scored the winning goal late in the championship game, leading you to a come-from-behind victory -- something else I know a little bit about. Sport brings out the best in individuals and in teams and in communities. I share the pride that Senator Mitchell and Senator Cohen and Congressman Andrews and all the people of Maine must feel for the Black Bears who have shown us all how to play as a team, how to bring out the best in one another, and how to come from behind. I think it's important, as I ask young people from around America who have achieved outstanding things in working together, to come here to the White House to be recognized and appreciated by their country, to remember that those kinds of values and those kinds of virtues need to be ingrained in all of us for all of our lives. We now have another role model, and I'm glad to have them here today. (Applause.) (The President is presented with team jersey.) (Applause.) THE PRESIDENT: That's great. I love it. It's beautiful. (Applause.) (The President is presented with an autographed stick.) THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. That's great. (Applause.) * * * * * * Q Mr. President, did you authorize the move on Waco this morning, sir? THE PRESIDENT: I was aware of it. I think the Attorney General made the decision. And I think I should refer all questions to her and to the FBI. Q Did you have any instructions for her as to how it should be executed? THE PRESIDENT: No, they made the tactical decisions. That was their judgment, the FBI. Q Is this a raid? THE PRESIDENT: And I will -- I want to refer you to -- talk to the Attorney General and the FBI. I knew it was going to be done, but the decisions were entirely theirs, all the tactical decisions. Q What did you and Senator Mitchell talk about this morning? Q Any chance for that stimulus package? THE PRESIDENT: Senator Mitchell ought to pay my quarter. (Laughter.) I was in there -- (laughter). SENATOR MITCHELL: You have to pay that quarter. THE PRESIDENT: I was ready. (Laughter.) Senator Mitchell, he's worth a quarter any day. Q Any chance for your bill, sir? THE PRESIDENT: We talked about what was going to happen this week in the Senate and about what other meetings we're going to have for the rest of the week. We only had about five minutes to talk. And we agreed we'd get back together later, around noon, and talk some more. Q Senator Dole said over the weekend that your compromise is no compromise. THE PRESIDENT: Well, I know he did, but, look, Senator Dole and a lot of the other Republicans now in the Senate voted for the same kind of thing for Ronald Reagan in 1983; and our research indicates that a majority of them over time voted for a total of 28 emergency spending measures totalling over $100 billion when Reagan and Bush were President, in those administrations. And many of those purposes were not nearly as worthy as putting the American people back to work. I don't want to go back and revisit every one, but you can do it. You can look at the research there. So this position they're taking is not credible. We have a very tough five-year deficit reduction plan. All these costs are covered during that time and then some. And the very people that are saying this has all got to be paid for don't have much of a history on which to base their position. They've got 12 years of vote for stimulus measures of this kind that had very little to with putting the American people back to work. So I think we've got a chance to work it out, and I'm hopeful. We'll see what happens today and tomorrow. I'm feeling pretty good about it. THE PRESS: Thank you END 10:10 A.M. EDT -30- -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044 ";-1;0 "From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics Lines: 57 In article <1qp5juINNgu5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes: > In article <1993Apr14.135948.3024@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, > tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) said: > >> A good case? A F**KING GOOD CASE? The defense lawyer asked the victim >> questions like ""what kind of sexual perversions do you participate >> in?"" and you think he made a good case????? > > Speaking as someone who's only about six weeks and a $6,900 tuition bill > away from becoming an unemployed slob with a law degree, I'd really like > to see a transcript of this trial. I'd especially like to know what > happened immediately after the defense attorney asked that question > (assuming that the reports that he did so are accurate... I'm not > accusing Tom Farrell of making anything up, but this _is_ the sort of > case that spawns garbled misquotes, false rumors and urban legends like > tribbles). It'd be nice to think that the prosecutor objected > (irrelevant, prejudicial, inflammatory... take your pick) and that the > judge upheld the objection. > I did hear this question asked during a radio news update of the case. (They were talking about the ongoing trial and had some audio clips). Immediately after the defense attorney asked the question, there was an ""Objection!"" heard in the background. The clip ended at that point so I don't know if the objection was upheld. I can't imagine NC is *that* bad. >> The arresting officer said the bastards told him they did it on >> purpose and hoped the victim would die, and you think the defense made >> a good case????? No wonder we're losing! We're aparently not trying >> to win! > > Again, I'd like to see the transcript... I'd read the latter bit of that > in the news media (the arresting officer testifying that one of the > defendants calmly asked him about the condition of the ""homo"" and said > that he hoped he'd die) but this is the first I've heard of the officer > testifying that one of the defendants actually said that he did anything > at all, let alone that he did it on purpose. > This I didn't hear as an audio clip but heard it reported a number of times on news stories both during and after the trial. Now the ""we did it on purpose"" thing is stretching, I think it was something more like--he had it coming. If somebody else remebers better than I on this second point, feel free to clarify. Frank -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank R. Chloupek CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University (Not just any Ohio State University) ""There is only one hard-and-fast rule about the place to have a party: somebody else's place."" --P.J. O'Rourke ";18;1 "From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept. Lines: 16 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire >on their house, killing most of the people inside. We have no way to know that the cultists burned the house; it could have been the BATF and FBI. We only have the government's word for it, after all, and people who started it by a no-knock search with concussion grenades are hardly disinterested observers. -- ""On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait) Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) ";-1;0 "From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Subject: MS-Windows graphics viewer? Keywords: ms windows jpeg gif tiff Lines: 31 Reply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Organization: Trent University Howdy all, I was wondering if people could e-mail me their opinions on the various graphics viewers available for MS-Windows 3.x... I'm working on a project to set up our scanner and write documentation on how to use it and it would be nice to have a snazzy image viewer to look at (and maybe even edit?) the image you just scanned. The file formats I'm looking for: GIF JPEG TIFF PCX whatever other 'major' file formats there are. Thanks a lot for your help Grant -- Grant Totten, Programmer/Analyst, Trent University, Peterborough Ontario GTotten@TrentU.CA Phone: (705) 748-1653 FAX: (705) 748-1246 ======================================================================== In the days of old, When Knights were bold, And women were too cautious; Oh, those gallant days, When women were women, And men were really obnoxious ... ";-1;0 "From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) Subject: 1-dimensional teams (was Re: Royals final run total... Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 43 Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, sweda@css.itd.umich.edu (Sean Sweda) says: > >I've been saying this for quite some time, but being absent from the >net for a while I figured I'd stick my neck out a bit... > >The Royals will set the record for fewest runs scored by an AL >team since the inception of the DH rule. (p.s. any ideas what this is?) > >They will fall easily short of 600 runs, that's for damn sure. I can't >believe these media fools picking them to win the division (like our >Tom Gage of the Detroit News claiming Herk Robinson is some kind of >genius for the trades/aquisitions he's made) Would you say the same thing about the Dodgers in '65 or '66? True, Cone is probably as good as Drysdale, and they have no Koufax, but still, these teams were winning with home run leaders who had very bad totals, with lots of low-scoring games, etc. And they didn't use relievers, whereas Jeff Montgomery is having a super season for them. That being said, I still picked them 5th or so, but I think a superb pitching team can win if they have enough hitting. There's more of a chance of that, I think, than of a team with tremendous hitting but no pitching. At least, to me. I wonder, though - which one do you people think would do better - a team with Johnson, Koufax in his prime, Seaver, Carlton, and Young, in no real order, as the starters, with Sutter, Fingers, and Lyle in the bullpen, but with a puny offense (assuming good defense, like Mazeroski, Maranville, etc.) Or a team with poor pitching, but with an offense of Cobb, Carew, Ruth, Gehrig, Mays, Schmidt, Wagner, and Bench - again,you pick the order. I would postulate that the pitching one would be several games better by seasons' end. Even the best hitters can succeed only 2/5 of the time in their best years, but a great pitcher can throw lots of shutouts - taking all the players in their prime, they might throw 50 shutouts in a year. And all the offense would have to do is get 1 run across. I wonder if someone with Stratomatic or something could plug such all- time teams into a regular season, have it played, and report the results I would love to see that. -- Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu : Me, age 4 & now: ""Mommys and Daddys & other Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great he ran to first and made it? : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"" ";-1;0 "From: jbalgley@bbn.com (Jon Balgley) Subject: Hidden-line removal program Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman (BBN) Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: labs-n.bbn.com I'm posting this for a friend: I have an immediate need for a polygon-based hidden-line removal program. I can deal with any input/output format, but I need to be able to do perspective views in any orientation and range. Is there a public-domain hidden-line program around? It seems like there should be, but I have not been able to locate one. Email replies and I will summarize. Thanks ";1;1 "From: gutierrezj@elcsci.com Subject: Help!! My Gateway freezes up Organization: Electro Scientific Industries, Portland OR Lines: 25 Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My computer from Gateway is freezing up on me. Gateway tech support couldn't help me. They want more specifics on when it freezes up. I DID! Anyway, here it is. If the keyboard is left idle in Dos for more than 15 minutes, I can type on the command line, but as soon as I hit a carraige return, the computer locks up. This will happen almost every time, whether I've just booted up, reset, or finished using a dos program. Everything works fine if I don't let it sit. Windows is a different story. If I let the machine sit while in windows for 15 minutes or more, it does not freeze up. However, I do get frequent application errors that kick me out of an application unexpectedly, losing my work. I just don't know if this is a hardware or software problem. Any help in diagnosis or things to try, would be greatly appreciated. P.S. I do not run any TSRs (except smartdrive) and QAplus diagnostics says everything is good. System is: 486SX-33 15"" Crystalscan Gateway Monitor VLB-ATI ultra pro (using mach32 driver build 55) Winchester 170MB HD Microsoft mouse Thanks, El Guapo ";-1;0 "From: passman@world.std.com (Shirley L Passman) Subject: help with no docs for motherboard Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 1 ";-1;0 "From: Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) Subject: Re: Can men get yeast infections? Lines: 13 To: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy) LB> I know from personal experience that men CAN get yeast infections. I LB> get rather nasty ones from time to time, mostly in the area of the LB> scrotum and the base of the penis. I used to have problems with recurrent athlete's foot until I started drying between my toes with my blow drier after each time I bathe. I also dry my pubic area while I am at it to prevent problems. You might want to try it. ... My cat types with his tail. * Origin: ONE WORLD Los Angeles 310/372-0987 32b (1:102/129.0) ";-1;0 "From: meharg@kits.sfu.ca (Gersham William Meharg) Subject: Re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Distribution: comp Lines: 16 I also suffer from these video ""artefacts"". My configuration is a Centris 610, 4/160, 1MB VRAM with a NEC 4FG. It only happens at 832x624, in 8bit colour with virtual memory off during scrolling. This occurs when the VRAM SIMMS are installed as well as removed. It seems that the 610 does not like 832x624. Does anyone *not* have these problems in the above mentioned conditions? -Gersham Meharg SFU Canada. -- Gersham Meharg : meharg@sfu.ca : SFU-Vancouver-Canada ";-1;0 "From: 235wardell@gw.wmich.edu Subject: VGA Passthrough Cables! Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 14 Does anyone know the phone number to a place where i can get a VGA passthrough? I want to hook up my VGA card to my XGA card (whcih you can can). All I need is the cable that connects them. It is the same type of cable that you would connect from your VGA card to say a Video Blaster or something. Thanks. -Brad ";-1;0 "From: dpage@ra.csc.ti.com (Doug Page) Subject: Re: Quaint US Archaisms Nntp-Posting-Host: ra Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 41 In article , nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: |> In article <1993Apr2.170157.24251@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: |> |> Of course the units of force have the same names as those of weight, |> but in order to use them you need to keep useful constants like the |> omnipresent 32.???? ft/sec^2 around. |> |> Maybe you'd like to go over again how this system is _so_ natural and |> _so_ easy to use, Gary? While you're at it, you can figure out for us |> the weight of 17 barrels and a quart of foo (density 17lb 2 3/4 oz per |> cubic foot) on the moon (gravity 5 ft 7 3/32 in/sec^2). Let's face it, |> even the imperial system uses a basically metric way of relating |> quantities (i.e. that would be written as 5.59 ft/sec^2); the only |> thing you're hanging on to is the right to express the same quantity |> as 1731 inches, 144.25 feet, 48.0833 yards or 2.186 chains. What |> everyone else is saying is _why_ do you want to do that? |> |> Any apparent remaining complexity in the SI system is due to the |> multiplicity of the aforesaid prefixes. In fact what's going on (and |> the fundamental difference between SI and imperial) is that you have |> exactly one unit of each type, and all values of that type are |> expressed as some multiple of the unit. You mean like: seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, years. . . :-) Remember, the Fahrenheit temperature scale is also a centigrade scale. Some revisionists tell the history something like this: The coldest point in a particular Russian winter was marked on the thermometer as was the body temperature of a volunteer (turns out he was sick, but you can't win 'em all). Then the space in between the marks on the thermometer was then divided into hundredths. :-) FWIW, Doug Page *** The opinions are mine (maybe), and do not necessarily represent those *** *** of my employer (or any other sane person, fot that matter). *** ";-1;0 "From: cubrj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Brian Johnson) Subject: the hawks WILL return to the finals!!!!! Organization: Educational Computing Network Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu Well now that the hawks have won the division the road is a little easier for the playoffs. Let toronto and detroit beat the hell out of each other while Chicago sweeps st.louis. That just makes it easier in the second round with all the rest they will get and tor/det getting none. For the conf. champ they will have a hard time versus the division but that div. will be pretty battered also so the advantage goes to the Hawks again. Then bring pitt. and sure the Hawks will probably lose but its better to get that far and lose than to not go. brian ";13;1 "From: jott@scarecrow.cse.nd.edu (John Ott) Subject: Re: Pinout needed for TIL311 Reply-To: jott@scarecrow.cse.nd.edu (John Ott) Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame Lines: 64 In article , segal@rtsg.mot.com (Gary Segal) writes: |> I've recently picked up some TIL311 display chips, but I can't find |> any information on them. It seems they are no longer made by TI, and |> I don't have an old enough data book. :-( |> |> It appears to have a dot-matrix led display capable of showing one hex |> digit. It is in a 14 pin DIP package, but pins 6, 9, and 11 are not |> present. |> |> If you have any information on this part (pinout, power requirments, |> functions, ...) please send me e-mail. |> |> Thank You, |> |> -- |> Gary Segal Motorola Inc. |> segal@oscar.rtsg.mot.com Cellular Infrastructure Division |> --- we are standing here only to gaze at the wind --- pin function 1 led supply voltage 2 latch data input b 3 latch data input a 4 left decimal point cathode 5 latch strobe input 6 omitted 7 common gnd 8 blanking input 9 omitted 10 right decimal point cathode 11 omitted 12 latch data input d 13 latch data input c 14 logic supply voltage (5v) LATCH STROBE INPUT, pin 5, when low, the data in the latches follow the data on the latch data inputs. When high, the data in the latches will not change. If the display is blanked and then restored while the enable input is high, the previous character will again be displayed. BLANKING INPUT, pin 8, When high, the display is blanked regardless of the levels of the other inputs. When low, a character is displayed as determined by the data in the latches. The blanking input may be pulsed for intensity modulation. LATCH DATA INPUTS, pins 2,3,12,13, Data on these inputs are entered into the latches when the enable input is low. The binary weights of these inputs are A = 1, B = 2, C = 4, D = 8 DECIMAL POINT CATHODES, pins 4, 10, These LEDS are not connected to the logic chip. If a decimal point is used, an external resistor or other current limiting mechanism must be connected in series with it. LED SUPPLY, pin 1 This connection permits the user to save on regulated Vcc current by using a separate LED supply, or it may be externally connected to the logic supply (Vcc). LOGIC SUPPLY (Vcc), pin 14 Separate Vcc connection for the logic chip COMMON GROUND, pin 7, This is the vegative termnal for all logic and LED currents except for the decimal points. John jott@dickens.helios.nd.edu ";-1;0 "From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 38 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) says: >Let the ""GREAT CHUCKMEISTER"" make a couple predictions, if you >will: > >1. The sun will rise tomorrow. >2. Rush will bash Clinton on his next show. >3. I will turn out to be Clinton's love child. Hey, *I* wasn't the one dancing and singing on Jan. 20, now WAS I? I was roundly ridiculed for my ""predictions"". Sure they were easy. TEll that to the other 43% of the people. :) > >+----------------+ >| SUCKA! | >| | >| Made in USA | >+----------------+ > >Hook, line, and sinker! *chuckle* Just WAIT until the see what Clinton has planned for their pension funds! :) This one doesn't take much thinking either. Uncle Sam needs money, BAD, and pension funds got it. Well, they USED to have it. Turns out the states have been plundering state employee funds for the past 2-3 years. ;) Ah, it's gonna be SWELL! ";18;1 "From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Lines: 58 In tbrent@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: |Probably not. But then, I don't pack heavy weaponry with intent to use it. Please cite your evidence that he was intending to use it. |You don't really think he should have been allowed to keep that stuff do |you? Why not? |If so, tell me where you live so I can be sure to steer well clear. Check the sig. |The public also has rights, and they should be placed above those of the |individual. Society does not have rights only individuals have rights. |Go ahead, call me a commie, OK, your a commie. |but you'd be singing a different |tune if I exercised my right to rape your daughter. You think you have a right to rape anyone? No wonder you don't care about the rightws of others. |He broke the law, Please indicate which law you feel Koresh broke, and when was he convicted of said crime. |he was a threat to society, So you feel that owning guns makes him a threat to society. When are y ou going to start going after knives and baseball bats as well. Or do you feel that someone who spouts unpopular ideas is by definition a threat to society. |they did there job - simple. It is simple if you think that there job is to assualt civilians. |> Support your First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Eighth |>Amendment rights, lest they be taken away from you just as the FBI did |>to the Davidians. Think about it. |I'll support them all (except no. 2) In other words you don't support any of them. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com ";19;1 "From: Tony Lezard Subject: Winword grammer checker saved my liff! Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 28 1. Fire up Microsoft Word for Windows (version 2.0c) 2. Type the following paragraph: If you want to rite really very dead good, you just cant live. Without one of the wonderfully write aids, what you're can get what helps me impress me boss. 3. Under Tools|Options|Grammar select ""Use grammar and style rules strictly (all rules) and click OK. 4. Run the grammar checker (this also does a spelling check). No complaints. Readability: Passive Sentences: 0% Flesch Reading Ease: 84.5 Flesch Grade Level: 6.6 Flesch-Kincaid: 5.2 Gunning Fog Index: 8.7 __ TL (Someone buy Malcolm Bacchus some beer please.) ";-1;0 "From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) Subject: Serdar Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Go back to nursery school jerk. --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo ";-1;0 "From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 10 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article , steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: >Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-) Sherzer Methodology!!!!!! Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- ";2;1 "From: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe) Subject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.dtcc.edu In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: > >In article <1phgakINN9pb@apache.dtcc.edu>, bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe) writes: >In the UK there is a tradition of old retired Colnels who bore the dinner >guests rigid with their descriptions of old campagns. Ed is clearly one >of this type of people who fails to see when a joke is spent. You are hereby authorized not to laugh. By special dispensation of her Hillariness. This offer void where prohibited by law, consumer must pay applicable sales tax..... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Bob Rahe, Delaware Tech&Comm College | AIDS, Drugs, Abortion: - | |Internet: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu | - Don't liberals just kill you?| |CI$: 72406,525 Genie:BOB.RAHE |Save whales; and kill babies? | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: jmh@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Hoffmeister) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 41 In article <1ppg8b$fvq@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) writes: >>In article <1phoi3$s95@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) >>writes: >>[stuff deleted...] >>> >>>The silly thing about this whole argument is that most of the trunk >>>releases (I'm tempted to say all, but there's bound to be a >>>counterexample) only operate if the car is on (ACC or running). Thus >>>you can't easily pop the trunk without starting the car. > >>""Most"" cars? The only cars I've ever seen with this ""feature"" have been >>GM cars. My `88 Mazda, '80 Honda, and (coming soon) '93 Probe all have >>cable-operated releases [...]. My '84 >>Camaro had an electric hatch release that was (thankfully) independent of >>the key in the ignition (the exception to the rule mentioned in my first >>sentence). > >I should probably have said ""glovebox trunk releases."" I haven't >encountered any glovebox releases that are cable operated. Numerous >GM and several Ford/Mercury cars that I've encountered have electrical >releases in the glovebox, and all of the ones I've seen needed the >ignition on to some degree to operate. Your Camaro example is noted, >but since it's a hardtop it's not a big deal. I've never run into a >convertible with a cable-operated trunk release -- I'd agree 100% that >in such an environment a cable or always-active electrical release >would be rather stupid. > >jim frost >jimf@centerline.com My Honda has a cable release that can be locked out with the ignition key. The valet key can be left with someone and will NOT unlock the trunk or enable the cable release. I remember my mothers '86 Corvette that had an electronic hatch release located on the drivers door, which was ALWAYS active. The fact that the car had no real trunk makes the security measure of beign able to dis-able the hatch release unnecessary. ";-1;0 "From: ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk (Andrew Broderick) Subject: DC-X & DC-Y Organization: Rutherford Appleton Lab, UK Lines: 15 Hi guys, I've been hearing lots of talk on the net about DC-X and DC-Y, but none of the many posts actually explain what they are !!! Sorry if this is a FAQ, but would somebody please explain to me what they are. Reply by Email please . . . thanks. Andy ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk -- ----------------------------------- Andy Jonathan J. Broderick, | ""I have come that they might have | Rutherford Lab., UK | life, and have it to the full"" | Mail : ajjb@adam2.bnsc.rl.ac.uk | - Jesus Christ | ";-1;0 "From: karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org (Phil Karn) Subject: Re: White House Wiretap Chip Disinformation Sheet Keywords: Big Bubba Is Watching. Nntp-Posting-Host: unix.ka9q.ampr.org Reply-To: karn@servo.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc Lines: 24 In article , wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) writes: |> The Attorney General will procure and utilize encryption devices to |> the extent needed to preserve the government's ability to conduct |> lawful electronic surveillance and to fulfill the need for secure |> law enforcement communications. Further, the Attorney General |> shall utilize funds from the Department of Justice Asset Forfeiture |> Super Surplus Fund to effect this purchase. This is a very curious thing to say. STU-IIIs (NSA-designed secure telephones cleared for classified traffic) are already readily available to law enforcement agencies. Word has it they're standard in every FBI office, for example. Something like several hundred thousand of these phones exist in all. They are clearly the US government standard. So why does the DoJ need to buy new phones that, unlike STU-IIIs, will not be certified for classified traffic, and in all likelihood will not be compatible with existing STU-IIIs? Unless, of course, they're gearing up for large scale decryption of civilian Clipper users, and they need compatible hardware... Phil ";-1;0 "From: irfan@davinci.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) Subject: A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD SAW, PART-2 Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 125 The following is an introduction as to who is Muhammad SAW as will be covered with this treatise. MUHAMMAD peace and blessings of Allah be upon him (SAW) is the last prophet of Islam. He is the Prophet who is revealed the last Holy Scripture, Qur'an, by Allah SWA (all praise be to Him) through the Arch Angel Gabriel. He is the seal of all prophets till the day of judgement as stated in the Qur'an by Allah SWA (all praise be to Him). Muhammad SAW lived between 571-632 AC. All other prophethoods claimed after Muhammad SAW, is a treason against Islam, against Qur'an, against the message of Allah SWA. Muhammad SAW is from the seed of Ishmael, another messenger of Allah and son of Abraham also a messenger of Allah. He is the Messenger that previous holy scriptures foretold his coming. The above mentioned verse from the Qur'an is from Chapter 33, Verse 40 whose rough translation is as follows: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the messenger of Allah, and the seal of the prophets, and Allah has full knowledge of all things. --------------------- Commentary on the above verse: When a document is sealed, it is complete, and there can be no further addition. The Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW closed the long line of Messengers. Allah's teaching is and will always be continuous, but there has been and will be NO Prophet after Muhammad SAW. The later ages will want thinkers, and revivers, not Prophets. This is not an arbitrary matter. It is a decree full of knowledge and wisdom, ""for Allah has full knowledge of all things."" ---------------------- DROPLET VOL 1, No 11, Part 2 A D R O P L E T From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, The Risale-i Noor VOL 1, No 11, Part 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------ NINETEENTH LETTER MU'JIZAT-I AHMEDIYE RISALESI (A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMED SAW) (continued from Droplet Vol 1, No 11, Part 1) SECOND SIGN: The Noble Messenger (SAW) declared His prophethood, and presented to humanity a decree as the Glorious Qur'an and manifest miracles which number, according to the scholars, one thousand. The occurrence of those miracles in their entirety is as certain as the fact that He declared himself prophet. In fact, as a shown by the words of the most obstinate unbelievers quoted in various places of the Wise Our'an, even they could not deny the occurrence of His miracles, but only called them -hasha wa kella!-(Allah forbids) sorcery, in order to satisfy themselves, or to deceive their followers. The miracles of Muhammad (SAW) have the certainty of confirmation by consensus of Ulema (scholars of Islam) to the hundreth degree. The Miracle is the conformation by the CREATOR of the universe of His declaration of Prophethood; it has the effect of the words,'You have indeed spoken the truth !' Suppose that you said in the assembly of a ruler, while being observed by Him, 'The true ruler has appointed me to such and such position. 'At a time when you were asked to prove your claim, the word 'Yes' uttered by the ruler would sufficiently support you. Or, if the ruler changed his usual practice and attitude at your request, this would confirm your claim even more soundly and more definitely than would the word 'Yes.' In the same way, ALLAH's Most Noble Messenger claimed: 'I am the envoy of the CREATOR of this universe. My proof is that He will change His unbroken order at my request and my prayer. Now look at my fingers: He makes them run like a fountain with five spigots. Look at the moon: by a gesture of my finger, He splits it in two. Look at that tree: to affirm me, and to bear witness to me, it moves and comes near to me. Look at this food: although it is barely enough for two or three men, it satisfies two or three hundred. 'Further he shows hundreds of similar miracles. However, the evidences of the veracity of this high being and the proofs of his prophethood are not restricted to his miracles. All his deeds and acts, his words and behavior, his moral conduct and manners, his character and appearance prove to the attentive his truthfulness and seriousness. Indeed, many people such as Abdullah b. Salam, the famous scholar of the Children of Israel, came to belief merely by seeing him, and said, 'No lie can hide in this face, nor can any fraud be found in it!' Although many of the researchers have concluded that the proofs of the prophethood of Muhammad and his miracles number about one thousand, there are thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of proofs of his prophethood. And hundreds of thousands of truth-seeking men (muhakkikiin) with varying opinions have affirmed his prophethood in an equal number of ways. The Wise Our'an alone demonstrates thousands of the proofs of his prophethood, in addition to its own forty aspects of miraculousness. Since prophethood is as a phenomenon of humanity, and hundreds of thousands of individuals who claimed prophethood and performed miracles have lived and passed away; then, the prophethood of Muhammad (SAW) is of a certanity superior to that of the prophethood of all the others. For whatever evidences, qualities and attributes became the means of the prophethood and messengership of all the messengers such as Jesus (AS) and Moses (AS), they are all owned in a more perfect and comprehensive fashion by Muhammad (SAW). And since the causes and means of prophetic authority exist more perfectly in the person of Muhammad (SAW), this authority is to be found in him with more certanity than all the other prophets. ----------------------------------------------------------------- To be Continued Allah Willing. Irfan Alan, A Servant of Islam. ";-1;0 "From: ma90jjw%isis@ajax.rsre.mod.uk (Justin Whitton) Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... In-Reply-To: edmoore@vcd.hp.com's message of Sat, 24 Apr 1993 22: 31:30 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: hayle Organization: DRA Malvern, Worcs., UK Lines: 24 In article edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) writes: thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote: : The key issue that I bought my BJ-200 on was ink drying speed. You really : have to try awful hard to get the BJ-200 ink to smear. The HP DeskJets need : 10-15 seconds to completely dry. In both cases, however, do not get your : pages wet. Unlike laser printers, the material on your pages is INK, not : toner. But that should go without saying. I think the ink now used in the DeskJet family is water-fast. I've had pictures ruined by a few drops of rain. These were colour pictures from a DeskJet 500C. Mind you, it could have been acid rain:-) I use a BJ10ex. Ink dries fast, but it really doesn't like getting wet. -- /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ |Justin Whitton at ma90jjw%hermes@uk.mod.relay |Where no man has gone before..| |after August mail ma90jjw@brunel.ac.uk. \------------------------------| |Disclaimer: My opinions count for nothing, except when the office is empty. | |I'm a student => intelligence = 0. | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ";6;1 "From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr16.210916.6958@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: |> I'm not familiar with the history of this experiment, although, arguably, |> I should be. For a brief, but pretty detailed account, try Hempel's _Philosophy of Natural Science_. |> I think that it is enough if his contemporaries found the result surprising. |> That's not what I'd quibble about. What I'd like to know are Toricelli's |> reasons for doing his experiment; not the post hoc _constructed_ reasons, |> but the thoughts in his head as he considered the problem. It may be This smacks a bit of ideology -- the supposition being that Toricelli's subsequent descriptions of his reasoning are not veridical. It gets dangerously close to an unfalsifiable view of the history and methodology of science if we deny that no subsequent reports of experimenters are reliable descriptions of their ""real"" reasons. |> impossible to know much about Toricelli's thoughts; that's too bad if |> it is so. One of Root-Bernstein's services to science is that he has gone |> rooting about in Pasteur's and Fleming's (and other people's) notes, and has |> discovered some surprising clues about their motivations. Pasteur never |> publicly admitted his plan to create mirror-image life, but the dreams are |> right there in his notebooks (finally public after many years), ready for |> anyone to read. And I and my friends often have the most ridiculous |> reasons for pursuing results; one of my best came because I was mad at |> a colleague for a poorly-written claim (I disproved the claim). |> |> Of course, Toricelli's case may be an example of a rarety: where the |> fantasy not only motivates the experiment, but turns out to be right |> in the end. But my point is that this type of case is *not* a rarity. In fact, I was going to point to Pasteur as yet another rather common example -- particularly the studies on spontaneous generation and fermentation. I will readily concede that ""ridiculous reasons"" can play an important role in how scientists spend their time. But one should not confuse motivation with methodology nor suppose that ridiculous reasons provide the impetus in the majority of cases based on relatively infrequent anecdotal evidence. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm ";-1;0 "From: kutuzova@venus.iteb.serpukhov.su Subject: THE RESEACHING OF STARVATION. Organization: Institute of Theoretical and Experimental Biophysics Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.iteb.serpukhov.su I am very interested in investigations of starvation for improving health. I am the young Russian reseacher and have highest medical education and expierence in reseach work in biological field and would like to work on this problem. Can anybody send me the adresses of the hospitals or Medical Centers where scientific problems of human starvation for the health are investigated? Also I would like to set scientific contacts with colleagues who deals with investigations in this field. I would be very appreciated anyone reply me. Pls, contact by post: 142292, Russia, Moscow Region, Puschino, P.O. box 46, for Kravchenko N. ; or by e-mail: kutuzova@venus.iteb.serpukhov.su Thank you advance, Natalja Kravchenko. ";-1;0 "From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) Subject: Question???? Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 8 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD? Thanks, Jonathan D. Fields fields@cis.ohio-state.edu ";-1;0 "From: johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns) Subject: Need a wheel Originator: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu Keywords: '92 Organization: Washington State University Distribution: na Lines: 18 Does anyone have a rear wheel for a PD they'd like to part with? Does anyone know where I might find one salvage? As long as I'm getting the GIVI luggage for Brunnhilde and have the room, I thought I'd carry a spare. Ride Free, Bill ___________________________________________________________________ johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu prez=BIMC KotV KotRR DoD #00314 AMA #580924 SPI = 7.18 WMTC #0002 KotD #0001 Yamabeemer fj100gs1200pdr650 Special and a Volvo. What more could anyone ask? Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. ";-1;0 "From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) Subject: COMPUTER/AUDIO/VIDEO/FURNITURE needed as of 4/18 Lines: 60 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 60 Unless otherwise noted, I am mainly interested in USED items. If you have (any of) the following for sale, please contact me: EMail mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu Phone (703)552-4381 USMail Michael Beck 1200 Progress Street #5500E Blacksburg, Virginia 24060 Please give as much info as possible (brand, age, condition, etc) ~~~~~~~~~~WANTED as of 12AM, 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~ COMPUTER EQUIP: 1 CHEAP tape drive - pretty much any kind (Used) 1 Memory for PS/2 Model 50Z (New or Used) 1 Macintosh computer 1 486 66mhz chip (New or Used) 1 COLORADO tape drive, 250 megabyte, preferr. w/ 5 tapes (Used) 1 101 key-AT keyboard 1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive 1 Printer - OMS410 or HP LASER or HP DESKJET series 1 Printer - 24 pin or DESKJET 1 High Density (1.2 mb) 5 1/4 disk drive EXTERNAL 1 Adaptec 1542 SCSI 16-bit HD/FD controller (Used) 1 Piggy back memory expansion for INTEL INBOARD 386 1 130 MB IDE Hard Drive 2 17"" monitor, 1280 resolution, .28 dot pitch or better, digital NON-COMPUTER EQUIP: 1 drum set mult. amps for a band 1 TV - 27"" or bigger, stereo 1 VCR - 4 Heads, stereo 1 Receiver - 100 Watts or more w/ Dolby Prologic Surround Sound capability 1 Bed - Full or Queen sized - LOCAL OFFERS only, please 1 Desk - LOCAL OFFERS only, please due to shipping constraints ";-1;0 "From: markmc@halcyon.com (Mark McWiggins) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com Also, don't forget that it's better for your health to enjoy your steak than to resent your sprouts ... -- Mark McWiggins Hermes & Associates +1 206 632 1905 (voice) markmc@halcyon.com Box 31356, Seattle WA 98103-1356 +1 206 632 1738 (fax) ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Distribution: world Lines: 18 In article <1qlbrlINN7rk@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) says: >In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 ""Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI, >20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has >long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."" I love it when magazine writers make stupid statements like that re: performance. Where do they get those numbers? I'll list the actual performance ranges, which should convince anyone that such a statement is absurd: SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB/s. SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB/s. IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions) ";-1;0 "From: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein) Subject: Re: Canada 3 Sweden 1 at the World Champioships Reply-To: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein) Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.21.16.6 In article <20APR199319243244@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca>, white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (Take me Baby!) writes: > > Today at the World Championships in Munich, Canada scored an > impressive 3-1 victory over the defending World Champs, Sweden. In the game *I* have seen yesterday in the Olympiahalle of Munich Canada won 4-1 against Sweden! The last goal for Canada was at 19:59 in the 3rd period. Maybe you shouldn't go and get you another beer before the game is over and then post imaginary results... Holger -- S I E M E N S Holger Ohlwein AP153 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 8000 Muenchen 83 ------------- Tel: + 49 (89) 636-3746 Email: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de N I X D O R F Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together. ";-1;0 "From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 85 04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES By David Ljunggren MOSCOW, April 16, Reuter - Armenia accused Turkey on Friday of flying weapons x and troops across Armenian airspace to Azerbaijan and strongly hinted it might try to shoot the planes down, local journalists in Yerevan said. Separately, Itar-Tass news agency said Armenian forces had halted their latest offensive which has swallowed up one-tenth of Azerbaijan and sent tensions in the Transcaucasian region soaring. The journalists in the Armenian capital quoted Armen Duliyan, head of the Armenian defence ministry press centre, as saying Ankara had been sending planes up to 15 times a day to Azerbaijan with arms and troops. It looks as though the Armenian leadership will have to warn Turkey about the impermissibility of such actions,"" the journalists quoted Duliyan as saying. ""If such steps are pursued in the future we will have recourse to appropriate measures. We have all the necessary means, including modern anti-aircraft units."" Turkey, which shares a border with Armenia, has supported Azerbaijan in the conflict over the mainly Armenian-populated Nagorno-Karabakh region in which more than 2,500 people have been killed since fighting erupted in 1988. The Turkish foreign ministry said on Friday it had so far sent one plane to Azerbaijan containing humanitarian aid. A Turkish foreign ministry spokesman on Thursday would not comment directly on a report by Hurriyet newspaper that a first consignment of rockets, rocket launchers, ammunition and light weapons had arrived in Azerbaijan from Turkey. Duliyan said Turkey had been sending up to 30 trucks a day carrying troops and arms to the bordering Azeri autonomous territory of Nakhichevan, from where they were flown across Armenian airspace to the Azeri capital Baku. ""All the responsibility for possible consequences will be borne by the country which is affording military assistance over our airspace,"" he said. Armenia denies any formal role in the conflict, saying that the troops involved in the fighting are from the enclave itself. Tass said the Karabakh forces decided on Friday to suspend their offensive along the entire Armenian-Azerbaijani front. ""The Karabakh authorities are reportedly ready to give independent inspectors a chance to see for themselves on the spot that the (enclave's) leadership is striving to achieve a ceasefire,"" the agency said. Armenian President Levon Ter-Petrosyan called for a two-stage ceasefire in Karabakh when he arrived in the Belarus capital Minsk on Friday for a summit of Commonwealth leaders. ""The first stage of the settlement should involve a ceasefire and securing the protection of the Karabakh population,"" Tass quoted him as saying. At least 10 ceasefires have been brokered in the conflict but all have collapsed. ""The second stage should involve discussing and finding a solution to the legal issues: that is, a clarification of the status of Nagorno-Karabakh,"" he said. The republic declared full independence last year but the move has not been recognised by any other country. Armenia insists that a separate Karabakh delegation should take part in future peace talks, something Azerbaijan rejects. Local news agencies in Baku said on Friday that Interior Minister Iskender Gamidov, a fiery nationalist and hardliner in the territorial dispute with Armenia, had resigned. Turan news agency said he quit on Thursday and had cleared his office. Khabar-Servis agency said he would be replaced by the military commandant of Baku, police Major-General Abdullah Allakhverdiyev. There was no official confirmation. -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 ";-1;0 "From: sherwood@adobe.com (Geoffrey Sherwood) Subject: Orchid P9000 vs Fahrenheit (mini review) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 79 I just purchased a Viewsonic 17 and and Orchid P9000. In short, I am happy with the monitor and unhappy with the card. I have spent a lot more time futzing with the card, so that is what I am going to write about. The monitor is pretty. The moires I had under Simcity on my 17"" Magnavox went away. It isn't as heavy as I thought it would be (45 lbs, I think). So much for the monitor. On to the bitch session and test results. In going with the modern trend, the Orchid P9000 card only supports 16 colors in 640x480 mode without a driver. Of course, this breaks any DOS program which uses SVGA modes (like most of my CD-ROMs). The Compudyne Whiplash VGA, Orchid Fahrenheit 1280, and Orchid F. VLB all share this limitation. Those are all S3 cards, which means it is an S3 problem for them (the P9000 uses a Weitek VGA chip which also doesn't support them). The Hercules Graphite card does seem to have these modes, but I didn't run the same test cases as I did on the other boards during the brief time I had it. It was able to print the splash screen for the Grolier's Encyclopedia, though, which the S3 cards just printed as hash, which is why I suspect the SVGA modes are supported. The supported resolutions really annoy me. You can do 1280x1024 at 75Hz if you tell the driver you have an NEC 5FG (they only have about six monitors listed plus 'Generic', and if you choose Generic you can't get any high refreshes at ALL). But at 1024x768 you are limited to 70Hz. Seems to me that the hardware should be able to support the bandwidth (if it can do 75Hz at 1280 it sure should be able to do it at 1024!). Higher vertical resolution was the main reason I bought the card over the Orchid F. VLB I currently have, and it will do 1024x768x70 Hz as well. The higher graphics modes all crash HP Dashboard. I just got off the phone with Orchid, and with the 1.1 drivers (I don't know what I have) he was unable to recreate the problem. On the plus side, their tech rep was as helpful as he could be and booted up the program on his computer to verify he didn't have the problem. He didn't know why they limited the refresh to 70 Hz either. The board is faster that the OFVLB for most things according to the Hercules Speedy program. This program tests various operations and reports the results in pixels/second. I don't have the numbers for the Graphite card, but they were close to half of the OFVLB (ie, slower) but that was running in a 20MHz 386, ISA, so the numbers aren't really comparable. The following numbers were all obtained using a 486, 33 MHz, AIR motherboard (UMC chipset), with 8 MB memory. I give ranges because the program reports the numbers as it computes them, and these tend to jump around a bit. K means thousand (not 1024), M means million, pixels per second Orchid Fahrenheit VLB Orchid P9000 Chip S3 805 Weitek 9000 DIB to Screen 182K - 190K 228K - 240K Memory to Screen 5.9M - 6.2M 8.4M - 8.9M Screen to Screen 14M - 14.8M 29M - 30.8M Vector, solid 2.4M 2.8M - 2.9M Vector, styled 55K - 58K 449K - 473K Polygon, shaded 1.8M - 2.1M 1.6M - 1.9M Polygon, hatched 6.9M - 7.9M 1.3M - 1.7M Ternary Rops 1.9M - 2.4M 477K - 520K Font 130K - 160K 46K - 55K / 1.2M The DIB to Screen test takes a device independent bitmap of a face and transfers it to the screen. I have no idea what is being done internally as far as conversions go. The memory to screen takes the same face and copies it to the screen, my guess is after it has been rasterized into a bitmap that can just be copied to the video display. The screen to screen test copies that face from place to place on the screen. Awesome! Interestingly, the solid vectors and shaded polygons show no improvement, and hatched polygons (ie, filled with cross-hatching) and Ternary Rops (whatever they are. Graphics operations like XORs maybe????) are a dead loss on the 9000. I give two numbers for the 9000 fonts, because I think they are caching. When the fonts are first drawn on the screen they are done fairly slowly -- 1/3 the speed of the OFVLB. Then the speed increases dramatically. Sounds like programming to a benchmark to me.... I make no claims that these numbers mean anything at all. Its just what I saw when I ran them on my computer. I normally don't write disclaimers, but this time maybe I'd better. My testing is totally unconnected with my work (I program under UNIX on Decstations) is done completely without the knowledge, blessing, or equipment of my company. geoff sherwood ";-1;0 "From: porta@wam.umd.edu (David Palmer) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 23 In article <1qknu0INNbhv@shelley.u.washington.edu> sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes: >In article pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes: >>In article >> >>Human blood sacrifice! Martyrdom of an innocent virgin! ""Nailed"" to a >>wooden pole! What is this obsession with male menstruation? > >Christian: washed in the blood of the lamb. >Mithraist: washed in the blood of the bull. > >If anyone in .netland is in the process of devising a new religion, >do not use the lamb or the bull, because they have already been >reserved. Please choose another animal, preferably one not >on the Endangered Species List. > > How about Cockroaches? -- ***************************** porta@wam.umd.edu **************************** What for you say you monkey when you have little fluffy tail like rabbit, rabbit! Tazmanian Devil ";-1;0 "Organization: Central Michigan University From: Martin D. Hill <32GFKKH@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Re: NHL team in Milwaukee Lines: 24 Well put, Jason. I am not from Wisconsin, but I have close relatives who live in Port Washington (about 30 minutes north of Milwaukee), I visit the city regularly, and I have been in the Bradley four times to see the Admirals play and the NCAA Hockey Championships. It is a beautiful building. The Pettits and the city like to promote it as the best facility for hockey in North America. As to what will happen with the Admirals if Milwaukee does acquire a franchise, word is the team will move to Green Bay and play in the Brown County Arena. Once again, the Admirals are an independent franchise, and the people of Milwaukee have been supporting them well. The games I have been to have seen crowds anywhere from 10,000 to 13,000, which are numbers some NHL teams (i.e. the Islanders, Hartford, New Jersey) would be envious of having on some nights. Plus the fact that the city is able to support a minor league franchise without the glamour of having an NHL club affiliated to it is testimony to the amount of hockey interest exists in the city. Sincerely, Martin Hill, Rt. 2, Box 155B, Sault Ste. Marie, MI (Home of LSSU: Go Lakers!) P.S. Anybody know what the attendance figures are for the IHL and how Milwaukee stacks up against other IHL cities such as Atlanta, Phoenix, San Diego, Cleveland, and Cincinnati? If so, please reply. ";-1;0 "From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services Lines: 47 In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes: > Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed. > Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982 > >The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library). Good luck; let >us know how it goes. > Daniel Matejka writes: The fourth edition is out, too. But it's probably also not very high on UCB's ""gotta have that"" list. In article <65930405053856/0005111312NA1EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes: >Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by >a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road. The >officer stated ""...it like you were going kinda fast coming down >highway 12. You been going at least 70 or 75."" I just said okay, >and did not agree or disagree to anything he said. Can you beat this ticket? Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon. The cop was certainly within his legal rights to nail you by guessing your speed. Mr. Brown (the author of Fight Your Ticket) mentions an Oakland judge who convicted a speeder ""on the officer's testimony that the driver's car sounded like it was being driven at an excessive speed."" You can pay off the State and your insurance company, or you can take it to court and be creative. Personally, I've never won that way or seen anyone win, but the judge always listens politely. And I haven't seen _that_ many attempts. You could try the argument that since bikes are shorter than the cars whose speed the nice officer is accustomed to guessing, they therefore appear to be further away, and so their speed appears to be greater than it actually is. I left out a step or two, but you get the idea. If you can make it convincing, theoretically you're supposed to win. I've never tried proving the cop was mistaken. I did get to see some other poor biker try it. He was mixing up various facts like the maximum acceleration of a (cop) car, and the distance at which the cop had been pacing him, and end up demonstrating that he couldn't possibly have been going as fast as the cop had suggested. He'd brought diagrams and a calculator. He was Prepared. He lost. Keep in mind cops do this all the time, and their word is better than yours. Maybe, though, they don't guess how fast bikes are going all the time. Besides, this guy didn't speak English very well, and ended up absolutely confounding the judge, the cop, and everyone else in the room who'd been recently criminalized by some twit with a gun and a quota. Ahem. OK, I'm better now. Maybe he'd have won had his presentation been more polished. Maybe not. He did get applause. ";-1;0 "From: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Subject: Pastoral Authority Reply-To: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Organization: Motorola Paging and Telepoint Systems Group Lines: 17 There is some controversy in my denomination as to what authority is vested in the pastor. I am still forming my opinion. I am solicing opinions, and references for what that is, how much, and how it should be used. As a general reference, I would not exclude responses from different denominations based on Biblical teachings, but you have to understand our church is independent, protestant and likely to be much different from those that follow ecclesiastical authority in the church. We may need to discuss the roles of deacons and elders. Thanks for your replies. | ""Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him."" | | ""Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."" | | (proverbs 26:4&5) ";-1;0 "From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 16 In <1993Apr15.204210.26022@mksol.dseg.ti.com> pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) writes: >There are actually only two of us. I do Henry, Fred, Tommy and Mary. Oh yeah, >this isn't my real name, I'm a bald headed space baby. Yes, and I do everyone else. Why, you may wonder, don't I do 'Fred'? Well, that would just be too *obvious*, wouldn't it? Oh yeah, this isn't my real name, either. I'm actually Elvis. Or maybe a lemur; I sometimes have difficulty telling which is which. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. ";2;1 "From: drisko@ics.com (Jason Drisko) Subject: Re: app-defaults files Keywords: app-defaults Xdefaults Nntp-Posting-Host: sunburn.ics.com Organization: Integrated Computer Solutions, Inc. Lines: 30 Hello, When starting bx if you recieve an error message saying ""cannot load app-defaults file..."" check your XAPPLRESDIR environment variable and then put the file BuilderXcessory ( this is the app-defaults file for BX ) in the directory specified by the XUSERFILESEARCHPATH environment variable. If you don't have an XUSERFILESEARCHPATH environment variable then set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH to be the directory where the BuilderXcessory file is. You can do this using the setenv command under csh. Note that the name ends in .ad so you will have to set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH to {BX}/%N.ad to get the app-defaults to load correctly. To make sure the the app-defaults file can be read by all the users, make sure that a copy of or a link to the app-defaults file exists in /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults or /usr/openwin/lib/app-defaults, depending on how your system is set up. Once you have taken care of this set the *systemDirectory resource to be the directory in which you have installed BX. For example let's say I've installed BX in /t then my system directory resource should be set like this : *systemDirectory: /t/builderXcessory Thanks, ICS Tech Support ";-1;0 "From: gregof@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Grego Filippo) Subject: Info wanted on Tseng Labs ET4000 VLB Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 9 Hi fellow netters, does anybody have any info on Tseng Labs ET4000 VLB card: price, speed, compatibility with existing and up-comming softwares, performance compared to others cards ( is it an S3 based card ?).... Thank you.. ";-1;0 "From: cmenzel@kbssun1.tamu.edu (Chris Menzel) Subject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems.... Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: kbssun1.tamu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Jeff Meyers (jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote: : In article <1qkqrhINNobc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) writes: : . : . : >I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here : >using [Procomm Plus for Windows], but the screen seems to have a problem : >keeping up with the : >modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine. : Tell him he probably needs to upgrade to a faster video card! My 9600 baud : modem was one of the reasons I sought out the Diamond Speedstar 24X. I get : about 7 million WinMarks on my 386-25 and it just about keeps up with the : modem speed (using procomm plus for windows, too). He should get over : 10 million on his machine with the same card. Anything 10+ should yield : acceptable speed... I'm using PC Plus at home on my trusty old NEC 386 SX/20 with a 14,400 baud modem with no problems at all. I am, however, running only straight 16 color VGA. -- Christopher Menzel Internet -> cmenzel@tamu.edu Philosophy, Texas A&M University Phone ----> (409) 845-8764 College Station, TX 77843-4237 Fax ------> (409) 845-045 ";-1;0 "From: gwang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ge Wang) Subject: Packages for Fashion Designers? Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 3 Hello, I am looking for commercial software packages for professional fashion designers. Any recommendation and pointers are greatly appreciated. Please e-mail me, if you may. Thanks a million. -- Ge ";-1;0 "From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell) Organization: Indiana University Lines: 98 In article dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: [insert deletion of unnecessary quote] >Why is it that we have this notion that God takes some sort of pleasure >from punishing people? The purpose of hell is to destroy the devil and >his angels. First of all, God does not take any sort of pleasure from punishing people. He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy and compassion on whom he will have compassion (Ex 33:19). However, if he enjoyed punishing people and sending them to hell, then why would he send Jesus to ""seek and save that which was lost"" (Luke 19:10)? > >To the earlier poster who tried to support the eternal hell theory with >the fact that the fallen angels were not destroyed, remember the Bible >teaches that God has reserved them until the day of judgement. Their >judgement is soon to come. > >Let me suggest this. Maybe those who believe in the eternal hell theory >should provide all the biblical evidence they can find for it. Stay away >from human theories, and only take into account references in the bible. > You asked for it. 2 Peter 2:4-ff talks about how those who are ungodly are punished. Matthew 25:31-46 is also very clear that those who do not righteous in God's eyes will be sent to hell for eternity. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 states that those who cause trouble for the disciples ""will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord"". 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 talks about those who refuse to love the truth being condemned. Revelation 21:6-8 talks about the difference between those who overcomes and those who do not. Those who do not, listed in verse 8, will be in the ""fiery lake of burning sulfur"". Revelation 14:9-12 gives the indication that those who follow the beast ""will be tormented with burning sulfur"" and there being ""no rest day or night"" for them because of it. Psalm 9:17: ""The wicked return to the grave, all the nations that forget God."" I think those should be sufficient to prove the point. >Darius Joe Fisher [In the following I'm mostly playing ""devil's advocate"". I'm not advocating either position. My concern is that people understand that it's possible to see these passages in different ways. It's possible to see eternal destruction as just that -- destruction. Rev often uses the term ""second death"". The most obvious understanding of that would seem to be final extinction. The problem is that the NT speaks both of eternal punishment and of second death. I.e. it uses terms that can be understood either way. My concern here is not to convince you of one view or the other, but to help people understand that there's a wide enough variety of images that it's possible to understand them either way. As Tom Albrecht commented, the primary point is to do our best to keep people out of the eternal fire, whatever the details. (To make things more interesting, Luke 20:35 implies that the damned don't get resurrected at all. Presumably they just stay dead. -- yes I'm aware that it's possible to understand this passage in a non-literal way.) 2 Peter 2:4-ff is talking about angels, and talks about holding them in hell until the final judgement. This isn't eternal punishement. Matthew 25:31-46 talks about sending the cursed into eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. The fact that the fire is eternal doesn't mean that people will last in its flames forever. Particularly interesting is the comment about the fire having been prepared for the devil and his angels. Rev 20 and 21 talk about the eternal fire as well. They say that the beast and the false prophet will be tormented forever in it. When talking about people being thrown into it (20:13-14), it is referred to as ""the second death"". This sounds more like extinction than eternal torment. Is is possible that the fire has different effects on supernatural entities such as the devil, and humans? 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 similarly, what is ""everlasting destruction""? This is not necessarily eternal torment. This one can clearly be understood either way, but I think it's at least possible to think that everlasting is being used to contrast the kind of destruction that can occur in this life with the final destruction that occurs in eternity. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 again talks about destruction. Revelation 21:6-8: see comment above Revelation 14:9-12 is probably the best of the quotes. Even there, it doesn't explicitly say that the people suffer forever. It says that the smoke (and presumably the fire) is eternal, and that there is no respite from it. But it doesn't say that the people are tormented forever. Psalm 9:17: I don't see that it says anything relevant to this issue. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Lines: 28 In <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes: >In article craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) >writes: >> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes: >> >Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley. >Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my >duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each >other, from what I can tell. When we take a hand off the bars we fall down! __ Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who Arch. & Eng. Services |""Lost Horizons"" CR500 | I think I am. UManitoba, Man. Ca. |""The Embalmer"" IT175 | - anonymous --Squidonk-- ";-1;0 "From: ruca@pinkie.saber-si.pt (Rui Sousa) Subject: Re: Potential World-Bearing Stars? In-Reply-To: dan@visix.com's message of Mon, 12 Apr 1993 19:52:23 GMT Lines: 17 Organization: SABER - Sistemas de Informacao, Lda. In article dan@visix.com (Daniel Appelquist) writes: I'm on a fact-finding mission, trying to find out if there exists a list of potentially world-bearing stars within 100 light years of the Sun... Is anyone currently working on this sort of thing? Thanks... Dan -- In principle, any star resembling the Sun (mass, luminosity) might have planets located in a suitable orbit. There several within 100 ly of the sun. They are single stars, for double or multiple systems might be troublesome. There's a list located at ames.arc.nasa.gov somewhere in pub/SPACE. I think it is called stars.dat. By the way, what kind of project, if I may know? Rui -- *** Infinity is at hand! Rui Sousa *** If yours is big enough, grab it! ruca@saber-si.pt All opinions expressed here are strictly my own ";-1;0 "From: cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) Subject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron Lines: 16 Nf-ID: #R:horenC5LDuz.5sE@netcom.com:1074830076:cdp:1483500346:000:733 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 17:02:00 1993 Aryans who do not base their reasoning on Nazi ideology are racists... Thus spoke an American citizen in the name of Judaism. If this is Judaism, I think Judaism should be combatted as any extremist and dangerous philosophy. I suspect however that Martin Buber, Albert Einstein and other Jewish scholars would have rather converted to Christianity than stay Jews, if they would have perceived Judaism as such a perverted philosophy. Those who wish to learn something about the perversion of Judaism, should consult the masterly work by Yehoshua Harkabi, who was many years the head of Israeli Intelligence and an opponent of the PLO. His latest book was published in English and includes a very detailed analysis of Judeo-Nazism. ";15;1 "From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) Subject: Re: LH Workmanship Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: >I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle >Vision and Dodge Intrepid. >at a competitive price. ... > >Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars, >the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out >the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing ""Through a single data point, you can draw any line you want."" -- Dr. S. Bart Childs, Professor, Texas A&M Dept. of Computer Science Both my pastor's late model Corolla and my father's 1987 Stanza have demonstrated the ""falling door seals"" problem. Daryl Biberdorf N5GJM d-biberdorf@tamu.edu + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura ";-1;0 "From: cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo) Subject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions Organization: Symantec/Peter Norton Group Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 155.64.151.14 alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes: >>Today (4/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to >>make room for Harkey? Shawn Boskie. ";-1;0 "From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) Subject: Re: Tempest Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Distribution: na Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr22.105915.5584@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson) writes: >res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes: >> Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent >> to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks? >We've got a tempest receiver in the lab here, and there's no difficulty in >picking up individual monitors. Their engineering tolerances are slack enough >that they tend to radiate on different frequencies. Even where they overlap, you >can discriminate because they have different line synch frequencies - you can >lock in on one and average the others out. > >The signals are weird in any case, with varying polarisations and all sorts >of interactions with the building. Just moving a folded dipole around is also >highly effective as a (randomised) means of switching from one monitor to >another, > Hell, just set up a spark jammer, or some other _very_ electrically-noisy device. Or build an active Farrady cage around the room, with a ""noise"" signal piped into it. While these measures will not totally mask the emissions of your equipment, they will provide sufficient interference to make remote monitoring a chancy proposition, at best. There is, of course, the consideration that these measures may (and almost cretainly will) cause a certain amount of interference in your own systems. It's a matter of balancing security versus convenience. BTW, I'm an ex-Air Force Telecommunications Systems Control Supervisor and Telecommunications/Cryptographic Equipment Technician. -- REMEMBER WACO! Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you? [Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.] ";16;1 "From: ds0007@medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) Subject: Re: BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS and Archer Nntp-Posting-Host: bass.pace.medtronic.com Organization: Medtronic, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 41 Jenny Anderson (jennya@well.sf.ca.us) wrote: : medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) entirely missed my point in my previous : posting, in which I wrote: : COMMENT: : Shortly after that post, I realized two things: I was running a fever of : over 102, and that I probably should not have gone directly from reading : alt.slack to posting on this august newsgroup. : >: >it is not ad hominen to point out that Mr Archer willingly prints blatant : >: lies : >: >in defense of Bible inerrancy, and thus is worthless as an expert witness. : >: Okay, Im game, give us a listing of blatant lies from _Encyclopedia of : >: Biblical Difficulties_ or other Archer writings. : >That would be interesting. If only a very short list can be generated, : >I think it is more likely that Mr. Archer, with his inerancy mindset is : >not always impartial and made a doozy of a mistake. (IMHO I also think : >that this mindset tends to generate these sorts of mistakes...) : >On the other hand, if a long list can be generated, it is more likely : >that Mr. Archer intentionally uses deception in hs books. (Why should : >he be deceptive just with Tyre?) : So, Archer is just sitting around, rubbing his hands and plotting how next : to deceive? OK, lets _see_ the list... This was an open question. I assumed that if Mr. Archer is a chronic liar, someone whould have documented it. This assumption is based on how talk.origins regulars have documented numerous cases of Creationist deceptions (such as Duane Guish and his friends). No long list of Archer mistakes has yet been given, so this may be just an isolated incident... -- Dale Skiba ";-1;0 "From: mathew Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Constructing a Logical Argument Summary: Includes a list of logical fallacies Keywords: FAQ, atheism, argument, fallacies, logic Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:52:14 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Supersedes: <19930322114724@mantis.co.uk> Lines: 632 Archive-name: atheism/logic Alt-atheism-archive-name: logic Last-modified: 5 April 1993 Version: 1.4 Constructing a Logical Argument Although there is much argument on Usenet, the general quality of argument found is poor. This article attempts to provide a gentle introduction to logic, in the hope of improving the general level of debate. Logic is the science of reasoning, proof, thinking, or inference [Concise OED]. Logic allows us to analyze a piece of reasoning and determine whether it is correct or not (valid or invalid). Of course, one does not need to study logic in order to reason correctly; nevertheless, a little basic knowledge of logic is often helpful when constructing or analyzing an argument. Note that no claim is being made here about whether logic is universally applicable. The matter is very much open for debate. This document merely explains how to use logic, given that you have already decided that logic is the right tool for the job. Propositions (or statements) are the building blocks of a logical argument. A proposition is a statement which is either true or false; for example, ""It is raining"" or ""Today is Tuesday"". Propositions may be either asserted (said to be true) or denied (said to be false). Note that this is a technical meaning of ""deny"", not the everyday meaning. The proposition is the meaning of the statement, not the particular arrangement of words used to express it. So ""God exists"" and ""There exists a God"" both express the same proposition. An argument is, to quote the Monty Python sketch, ""a connected series of statements to establish a definite proposition"". An argument consists of three stages. First of all, the propositions which are necessary for the argument to continue are stated. These are called the premises of the argument. They are the evidence or reasons for accepting the argument and its conclusions. Premises (or assertions) are often indicated by phrases such as ""because"", ""since"", ""obviously"" and so on. (The phrase ""obviously"" is often viewed with suspicion, as it can be used to intimidate others into accepting suspicious premises. If something doesn't seem obvious to you, don't be afraid to question it. You can always say ""Oh, yes, you're right, it is obvious"" when you've heard the explanation.) Next, the premises are used to derive further propositions by a process known as inference. In inference, one proposition is arrived at on the basis of one or more other propositions already accepted. There are various forms of valid inference. The propositions arrived at by inference may then be used in further inference. Inference is often denoted by phrases such as ""implies that"" or ""therefore"". Finally, we arrive at the conclusion of the argument -- the proposition which is affirmed on the basis of the premises and inference. Conclusions are often indicated by phrases such as ""therefore"", ""it follows that"", ""we conclude"" and so on. The conclusion is often stated as the final stage of inference. For example: Every event has a cause (premise) The universe has a beginning (premise) All beginnings involve an event (premise) This implies that the beginning of the universe involved an event (inference) Therefore the universe has a cause (inference and conclusion) Note that the conclusion of one argument might be a premise in another argument. A proposition can only be called a premise or a conclusion with respect to a particular argument; the terms do not make sense in isolation. Sometimes an argument will not follow the order given above; for example, the conclusions might be stated first and the premises stated afterwards in support of the conclusion. This is perfectly valid, if sometimes a little confusing. Recognizing an argument is much harder than recognizing premises or conclusions. Many people shower their writing with assertions without ever producing anything which one might reasonably describe as an argument. Some statements look like arguments, but are not. For example: ""If the Bible is accurate, Jesus must either have been insane, an evil liar, or the Son of God."" This is not an argument, it is a conditional statement. It does not assert the premises which are necessary to support what appears to be its conclusion. (It also suffers from a number of other logical flaws, but we'll come to those later.) Another example: ""God created you; therefore do your duty to God."" The phrase ""do your duty to God"" is not a proposition, since it is neither true nor false. Therefore it is not a conclusion, and the sentence is not an argument. Finally, causality is important. Consider a statement of the form ""A because B"". If we're interested in establishing A and B is offered as evidence, the statement is an argument. If we're trying to establish the truth of B, then it is not an argument, it is an explanation. For example: ""There must be something wrong with the engine of my car, because it will not start."" -- This is an argument. ""My car will not start because there is something wrong with the engine."" -- This is an explanation. There are two traditional types of argument, deductive and inductive. A deductive argument is one which provides conclusive proof of its conclusions -- that is, an argument where if the premises are true, the conclusion must also be true. A deductive argument is either valid or invalid. A valid argument is defined as one where if the premises are true, then the conclusion is true. An inductive argument is one where the premises provide some evidence for the truth of the conclusion. Inductive arguments are not valid or invalid; however, we can talk about whether they are better or worse than other arguments, and about how probable their premises are. There are forms of argument in ordinary language which are neither deductive nor inductive. However, we will concentrate for the moment on deductive arguments, as they are often viewed as the most rigorous and convincing. It is important to note that the fact that a deductive argument is valid does not imply that its conclusion holds. This is because of the slightly counter-intuitive nature of implication, which we must now consider more carefully. Obviously a valid argument can consist of true propositions. However, an argument may be entirely valid even if it contains only false propositions. For example: All insects have wings (premise) Woodlice are insects (premise) Therefore woodlice have wings (conclusion) Here, the conclusion is not true because the argument's premises are false. If the argument's premises were true, however, the conclusion would be true. The argument is thus entirely valid. More subtly, we can reach a true conclusion from one or more false premises, as in: All fish live in the sea (premise) Dolphins are fish (premise) Therefore dolphins live in the sea (conclusion) However, the one thing we cannot do is reach a false conclusion through valid inference from true premises. We can therefore draw up a ""truth table"" for implication. The symbol ""=>"" denotes implication; ""A"" is the premise, ""B"" the conclusion. ""T"" and ""F"" represent true and false respectively. Premise Conclusion Inference A B A=>B ---------------------------- F F T If the premises are false and the inference F T T valid, the conclusion can be true or false. T F F If the premises are true and the conclusion false, the inference must be invalid. T T T If the premises are true and the inference valid, the conclusion must be true. A sound argument is a valid argument whose premises are true. A sound argument therefore arrives at a true conclusion. Be careful not to confuse valid arguments with sound arguments. To delve further into the structure of logical arguments would require lengthy discussion of linguistics and philosophy. It is simpler and probably more useful to summarize the major pitfalls to be avoided when constructing an argument. These pitfalls are known as fallacies. In everyday English the term ""fallacy"" is used to refer to mistaken beliefs as well as to the faulty reasoning that leads to those beliefs. This is fair enough, but in logic the term is generally used to refer to a form of technically incorrect argument, especially if the argument appears valid or convincing. So for the purposes of this discussion, we define a fallacy as a logical argument which appears to be correct, but which can be seen to be incorrect when examined more closely. By studying fallacies we aim to avoid being misled by them. The following list of fallacies is not intended to be exhaustive. ARGUMENTUM AD BACULUM (APPEAL TO FORCE) The Appeal to Force is committed when the arguer resorts to force or the threat of force in order to try and push the acceptance of a conclusion. It is often used by politicians, and can be summarized as ""might makes right"". The force threatened need not be a direct threat from the arguer. For example: ""... Thus there is ample proof of the truth of the Bible. All those who refuse to accept that truth will burn in Hell."" ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM Argumentum ad hominem is literally ""argument directed at the man"". The Abusive variety of Argumentum ad Hominem occurs when, instead of trying to disprove the truth of an assertion, the arguer attacks the person or people making the assertion. This is invalid because the truth of an assertion does not depend upon the goodness of those asserting it. For example: ""Atheism is an evil philosophy. It is practised by Communists and murderers."" Sometimes in a court of law doubt is cast upon the testimony of a witness by showing, for example, that he is a known perjurer. This is a valid way of reducing the credibility of the testimony given by the witness, and not argumentum ad hominem; however, it does not demonstrate that the witness's testimony is false. To conclude otherwise is to fall victim of the Argumentum ad Ignorantiam (see elsewhere in this list). The circumstantial form of Argumentum ad Hominem is committed when a person argues that his opponent ought to accept the truth of an assertion because of the opponent's particular circumstances. For example: ""It is perfectly acceptable to kill animals for food. How can you argue otherwise when you're quite happy to wear leather shoes?"" This is an abusive charge of inconsistency, used as an excuse for dismissing the opponent's argument. This fallacy can also be used as a means of rejecting a conclusion. For example: ""Of course you would argue that positive discrimination is a bad thing. You're white."" This particular form of Argumentum ad Hominem, when one alleges that one's adversary is rationalizing a conclusion formed from selfish interests, is also known as ""poisoning the well"". ARGUMENTUM AD IGNORANTIUM Argumentum ad ignorantium means ""argument from ignorance"". This fallacy occurs whenever it is argued that something must be true simply because it has not been proved false. Or, equivalently, when it is argued that something must be false because it has not been proved true. (Note that this is not the same as assuming that something is false until it has been proved true, a basic scientific principle.) Examples: ""Of course the Bible is true. Nobody can prove otherwise."" ""Of course telepathy and other psychic phenomena do not exist. Nobody has shown any proof that they are real."" Note that this fallacy does not apply in a court of law, where one is generally assumed innocent until proven guilty. Also, in scientific investigation if it is known that an event would produce certain evidence of its having occurred, the absence of such evidence can validly be used to infer that the event did not occur. For example: ""A flood as described in the Bible would require an enormous volume of water to be present on the earth. The earth does not have a tenth as much water, even if we count that which is frozen into ice at the poles. Therefore no such flood occurred."" In science, we can validly assume from lack of evidence that something has not occurred. We cannot conclude with certainty that it has not occurred, however. ARGUMENTUM AD MISERICORDIAM This is the Appeal to Pity, also known as Special Pleading. The fallacy is committed when the arguer appeals to pity for the sake of getting a conclusion accepted. For example: ""I did not murder my mother and father with an axe. Please don't find me guilty; I'm suffering enough through being an orphan."" ARGUMENTUM AD POPULUM This is known as Appealing to the Gallery, or Appealing to the People. To commit this fallacy is to attempt to win acceptance of an assertion by appealing to a large group of people. This form of fallacy is often characterized by emotive language. For example: ""Pornography must be banned. It is violence against women."" ""The Bible must be true. Millions of people know that it is. Are you trying to tell them that they are all mistaken fools?"" ARGUMENTUM AD NUMERAM This fallacy is closely related to the argumentum ad populum. It consists of asserting that the more people who support or believe a proposition, the more likely it is that that proposition is correct. ARGUMENTUM AD VERECUNDIAM The Appeal to Authority uses the admiration of the famous to try and win support for an assertion. For example: ""Isaac Newton was a genius and he believed in God."" This line of argument is not always completely bogus; for example, reference to an admitted authority in a particular field may be relevant to a discussion of that subject. For example, we can distinguish quite clearly between: ""Stephen Hawking has concluded that black holes give off radiation"" and ""John Searle has concluded that it is impossible to build an intelligent computer"" Hawking is a physicist, and so we can reasonably expect his opinions on black hole radiation to be informed. Searle is a linguist, so it is questionable whether he is well-qualified to speak on the subject of machine intelligence. THE FALLACY OF ACCIDENT The Fallacy of Accident is committed when a general rule is applied to a particular case whose ""accidental"" circumstances mean that the rule is inapplicable. It is the error made when one goes from the general to the specific. For example: ""Christians generally dislike atheists. You are a Christian, so you must dislike atheists."" This fallacy is often committed by moralists and legalists who try to decide every moral and legal question by mechanically applying general rules. CONVERSE ACCIDENT / HASTY GENERALIZATION This fallacy is the reverse of the fallacy of accident. It occurs when one forms a general rule by examining only a few specific cases which are not representative of all possible cases. For example: ""Jim Bakker was an insincere Christian. Therefore all Christians are insincere."" SWEEPING GENERALIZATION / DICTO SIMPLICITER A sweeping generalization occurs when a general rule is applied to a particular situation in which the features of that particular situation render the rule inapplicable. A sweeping generalization is the opposite of a hasty generalization. NON CAUSA PRO CAUSA / POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC These are known as False Cause fallacies. The fallacy of Non Causa Pro Causa occurs when one identifies something as the cause of an event but it has not actually been shown to be the cause. For example: ""I took an aspirin and prayed to God, and my headache disappeared. So God cured me of the headache."" The fallacy of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc occurs when something is assumed to be the cause of an event merely because it happened before the event. For example: ""The Soviet Union collapsed after taking up atheism. Therefore we must avoid atheism for the same reasons."" CUM HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC This fallacy is similar to post hoc ergo propter hoc. It asserts that because two events occur together, they must be causally related, and leaves no room for other factors that may be the cause(s) of the events. PETITIO PRINCIPII This fallacy occurs when the premises are at least as questionable as the conclusion reached. CIRCULUS IN DEMONSTRANDO This fallacy occurs when one assumes as a premise the conclusion which one wishes to reach. Often, the proposition will be rephrased so that the fallacy appears to be a valid argument. For example: ""Homosexuals must not be allowed to hold government office. Hence any government official who is revealed to be a homosexual will lose his job. Therefore homosexuals will do anything to hide their secret, and will be open to blackmail. Therefore homosexuals cannot be allowed to hold government office."" Note that the argument is entirely circular; the premise is the same as the conclusion. An argument like the above has actually been cited as the reason for the British Secret Services' official ban on homosexual employees. Another example is the classic: ""We know that God exists because the Bible tells us so. And we know that the Bible is true because it is the word of God."" COMPLEX QUESTION / FALLACY OF INTERROGATION This is the Fallacy of Presupposition. One example is the classic loaded question: ""Have you stopped beating your wife?"" The question presupposes a definite answer to another question which has not even been asked. This trick is often used by lawyers in cross-examination, when they ask questions like: ""Where did you hide the money you stole?"" Similarly, politicians often ask loaded questions such as: ""How long will this EC interference in our affairs be allowed to continue?"" or ""Does the Chancellor plan two more years of ruinous privatization?"" IGNORATIO ELENCHI The fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument supports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do with that conclusion. For example, a Christian may begin by saying that he will argue that the teachings of Christianity are undoubtably true. If he then argues at length that Christianity is of great help to many people, no matter how well he argues he will not have shown that Christian teachings are true. Sadly, such fallacious arguments are often successful because they arouse emotions which cause others to view the supposed conclusion in a more favourable light. EQUIVOCATION Equivocation occurs when a key word is used with two or more different meanings in the same argument. For example: ""What could be more affordable than free software? But to make sure that it remains free, that users can do what they like with it, we must place a license on it to make sure that will always be freely redistributable."" AMPHIBOLY Amphiboly occurs when the premises used in an argument are ambiguous because of careless or ungrammatical phrasing. ACCENT Accent is another form of fallacy through shifting meaning. In this case, the meaning is changed by altering which parts of a statement are emphasized. For example, consider: ""We should not speak ILL of our friends"" and ""We should not speak ill of our FRIENDS"" FALLACIES OF COMPOSITION One fallacy of composition is to conclude that a property shared by the parts of something must apply to the whole. For example: ""The bicycle is made entirely of low mass components, and is therefore very lightweight."" The other fallacy of composition is to conclude that a property of a number of individual items is shared by a collection of those items. For example: ""A car uses less petrol and causes less pollution than a bus. Therefore cars are less environmentally damaging than buses."" FALLACY OF DIVISION The fallacy of division is the opposite of the fallacy of composition. Like its opposite, it exists in two varieties. The first is to assume that a property of some thing must apply to its parts. For example: ""You are studying at a rich college. Therefore you must be rich."" The other is to assume that a property of a collection of items is shared by each item. For example: ""Ants can destroy a tree. Therefore this ant can destroy a tree."" THE SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENT This argument states that should one event occur, so will other harmful events. There is no proof made that the harmful events are caused by the first event. For example: ""If we legalize marijuana, then we would have to legalize crack and heroin and we'll have a nation full of drug-addicts on welfare. Therefore we cannot legalize marijuana."" ""A IS BASED ON B"" FALLACIES / ""IS A TYPE OF"" FALLACIES These fallacies occur when one attempts to argue that things are in some way similar without actually specifying in what way they are similar. Examples: ""Isn't history based upon faith? If so, then isn't the Bible also a form of history?"" ""Islam is based on faith, Christianity is based on faith, so isn't Islam a form of Christianity?"" ""Cats are a form of animal based on carbon chemistry, dogs are a form of animal based on carbon chemistry, so aren't dogs a form of cat?"" AFFIRMATION OF THE CONSEQUENT This fallacy is an argument of the form ""A implies B, B is true, therefore A is true"". To understand why it is a fallacy, examine the truth table for implication given earlier. DENIAL OF THE ANTECEDENT This fallacy is an argument of the form ""A implies B, A is false, therefore B is false"". Again, the truth table for implication makes it clear why this is a fallacy. Note that this fallacy is different from Non Causa Pro Causa; the latter has the form ""A implies B, A is false, therefore B is false"", where A does NOT in fact imply B at all. Here, the problem is not that the implication is invalid; rather it is that the falseness of A does not allow us to deduce anything about B. CONVERTING A CONDITIONAL This fallacy is an argument of the form ""If A then B, therefore if B then A"". ARGUMENTUM AD ANTIQUITAM This is the fallacy of asserting that something is right or good simply because it is old, or because ""that's the way it's always been."" ARGUMENTUM AD NOVITAM This is the opposite of the argumentum ad antiquitam; it is the fallacy of asserting that something is more correct simply because it is new or newer than something else. ARGUMENTUM AD CRUMENAM The fallacy of believing that money is a criterion of correctness; that those with more money are more likely to be right. ARGUMENTUM AD LAZARUM The fallacy of assuming that because someone is poor he or she is sounder or more virtuous than one who is wealthier. This fallacy is the opposite of the argumentum ad crumenam. ARGUMENTUM AD NAUSEAM This is the incorrect belief that an assertion is more likely to be true the more often it is heard. An ""argumentum ad nauseum"" is one that employs constant repetition in asserting something. BIFURCATION Also referred to as the ""black and white"" fallacy, bifurcation occurs when one presents a situation as having only two alternatives, where in fact other alternatives exist or can exist. PLURIUM INTERROGATIONUM / MANY QUESTIONS This fallacy occurs when a questioner demands a simple answer to a complex question. NON SEQUITUR A non-sequitur is an argument where the conclusion is drawn from premises which are not logically connected with it. RED HERRING This fallacy is committed when irrelevant material is introduced to the issue being discussed, so that everyone's attention is diverted away from the points being made, towards a different conclusion. REIFICATION / HYPOSTATIZATION Reification occurs when an abstract concept is treated as a concrete thing. SHIFTING THE BURDEN OF PROOF The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or proposition. Shifting the burden of proof, a special case of argumentum ad ignorantium, is the fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the person who denies or questions the assertion being made. The source of the fallacy is the assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise. STRAW MAN The straw man fallacy is to misrepresent someone else's position so that it can be attacked more easily, then to knock down that misrepresented position, then to conclude that the original position has been demolished. It is a fallacy because it fails to deal with the actual arguments that have been made. THE EXTENDED ANALOGY The fallacy of the Extended Analogy often occurs when some suggested general rule is being argued over. The fallacy is to assume that mentioning two different situations, in an argument about a general rule, constitutes a claim that those situations are analogous to each other. This fallacy is best explained using a real example from a debate about anti-cryptography legislation: ""I believe it is always wrong to oppose the law by breaking it."" ""Such a position is odious: it implies that you would not have supported Martin Luther King."" ""Are you saying that cryptography legislation is as important as the struggle for Black liberation? How dare you!"" TU QUOQUE This is the famous ""you too"" fallacy. It occurs when an action is argued to be acceptable because the other party has performed it. For instance: ""You're just being randomly abusive."" ""So? You've been abusive too."" ÿ ";-1;0 "From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 46 >>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. >>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. >>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >>male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for >>straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically >>how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. >>-- > >Isn't is funny how someone who seems to know nothing about homosexuality >uses a very flawed (IMHO) source of information to pass jusgement on all >homosexual and bisexual men. Only the most comprehensive survey on sexuality in 50 years. > It would seem more logical to say that since >the heterosexual group of men is larger then the chances of promiscuity >larger as well. In my opinion, orientation has nothing to do with it. > Chance and size have nothing in common on the multimillion number scale we are talking about. >Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three >times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin. > >So... whose promiscuous? > Nobody said that you were. Chill. >Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they have no morals. Just because >someone is heterosexual doesn't mean they do. Look at the world.... Well said. >Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero... > Actually, the Kinsley Report in 1947(or 48?) used a high percentage of prisoners so........... Ryan ";-1;0 "From: wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) Subject: Hard Copy --- Hot Pursuit!!!! Summary: SHIT!!!!!!! Keywords: Running from the Police. Article-I.D.: news.C5J34y.2t4 Distribution: rec.motorcycles Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 44 Yo, did anybody see this run of HARD COPY? I guy on a 600 Katana got pulled over by the Police (I guess for speeding or something). But just as the cop was about to step out of the car, the dude punches it down an interstate in Georgia. Ang then, the cop gives chase. Now this was an interesting episode because it was all videotaped!!! Everything from the dramatic takeoff and 135mph chase to the sidestreet battle at about 100mph. What happened at the end? The guy (who is being relentless chased down box the cage with the disco lights) slows a couple of times to taunt the cop. After blowing a few stop signs and making car jump to the side, he goes up a dead end street. The Kat, although not the latest machine, is still a high performance machine and he slams on the brakes. Of couse, we all know that cages, especially the ones with the disco lights, can't stop as fast as our high performance machines. So what happens?... The cage plows into the Kat. Luckily for this dude, he was wearing a helmet and was not hurt. But dude, how crazy can you get!?! Yeah, we've all went out and played cat and mouse with our friends but, with a cop!!???!!! How crazy can you get!?!?! It took just one look at a ZX-7 who tried this crap to convince me not to try any shit like that. (Although the dude collided with a car head on at 140 mph, the Kawasaki team colors still looked good!!! Just a few scratches, like no front end.... 3 inch long engine and other ""minor"" scratches...) If you guys are out there, please, slow it down. I not being an advocate for the cages (especially the ones that make that annoying ass noises...), but just think... The next time you punched it (whether you have an all mighty ZX-11 or a ""I can do it"" 250 Ninja), just remember, a kid could step out at any time. Peace & ride (kinda) safe. Warren -- ""Have Suzuki, Will travel..."" WCD82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""What's the big deal about riding one of these. I'm only going... 95!?!?!"" - Annie (Robotech) ";7;1 "From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow) Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.184322.18666 Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (R ussell P. Hughes) writes: >What a great day! Got back home last night from some fantastic skiing >in Colorado, and put the battery back in the FXSTC. Cleaned the plugs, >opened up the petcock, waited a minute, hit the starter, and bingo it >started up like a charm! Spent a restless night anticipating the first >ride du saison, and off I went this morning to get my state inspection >done. Now my bike is stock (so far) except for HD slash-cut pipes, and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Therein lies the rub. The HD slash cut, or baloney cuts as some call them, ARE NOT STOCK mufflers. They're sold for ""off-road use only,"" and are much louder than stock mufflers. Arnie ";-1;0 "From: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov (James Felder) Subject: Re: ""So help you God"" in court? Organization: NASA Lewis Resaerch Center Lines: 35 Distribution: world Reply-To: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: hopper3.lerc.nasa.gov In article 013423TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu, Andrew Newell writes: ->In article <1993Apr9.151914.1885@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu ->(Mark McCullough) says: ->> ->>In article monack@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (david ->>n->>monack) writes: ->>>Another issue is that by having to request to not be required to ->>>recite the ""so help me God"" part of the oath, a theistic jury may be ->>>prejudiced against your testimony even though atheism is probably not ->>>at all relevant to the case. ->>> ->>>What is the recommended procedure for requesting an alternate oath or ->>>affirmation? ->>> ->>>Dave Sorry for using a follow-up to respond, but my server dropped about a weeks worth of news when it couldn't keep up. When the you are asked to swear ""So help you god"" and you have to say it, ask which one; Jesus, Allah, Vishnu, Zues, Odin. Get them to be specific. Don't be obnoxious, just humbly ask, then quitely sit back and watch the fun. --- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- James L. Felder | Sverdrup Technology,Inc. | phone: 216-891-4019 NASA Lewis Research Center | Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: jfelder@lerc.nasa.gov ""Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, other people gargle"" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";9;1 "From: chen@nuclear.med.bcm.tmc.edu (ChenLin) Subject: Re: Can I get more than 640 x 480 on 13"" monitor? Organization: Baylor College of Medicine Lines: 5 Distribution: na Reply-To: chen@nuclear.bcm.tmc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: nuclear.med.bcm.tmc.edu Keywords: 13"" monitor, 8*24 resolution Try MaxAppleZoom ( a shareware init ) if your monitor is not driven by internal video. chen ";0;1 "From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel) Subject: Storing a car long term Keywords: tires cars storage Article-I.D.: hico2.C50Myy.4Ew Reply-To: kak@hico2.westmark.com Organization: High Country Software Lines: 16 I bought a car with a defunct engine, to use for parts for my old but still running version of the same car. The car I bought has good tires. Is there anything in particular that I should do to store the defunct car long-term? I'd hate to have parts of it go bad. Someone has told me it's bad for the tires to not move the car once-in-a-while. Is this true? Do I need some props to take the weight of the tires? Best to reply by mail, I am getting spotty news delivery. Kris A. Kugel 908-842-2707 hico2!kak kak@hico2.westmark.com ";-1;0 "From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!! Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 66 In article <18APR93.25909598.0086@VM1.MCGILL.CA> JBE5 writes: >Aargh! > >Paul Stewart is the worst and most biased ref. presently in the NHL. >He called a total of 4 penalties on the Habs and one on the Nordiques. >The Nords' penalty came in O.T. Stewart, being an ex-Nordique himself, >was looking to call penalties on the Habs while letting the Nords >get away with murder...WE WAS ROBBED!!!! No. Patrick Roy is the reason the game was lost, and Ron Hextall is the reason Quebec won. Everybody said it would come down to goaltending, that goaltending was the key, etc etc. Well, the key doesn't quite fit if you're Montreal. The Dionne penalty was kind of a cheesy call, but let's face it; he literally left his feet to throw an elbow. Blaming Stewart is just an excuse to avoid facing the fact that Roy allowed what was one of the worst goals he could possibly allow. He even saw the whole shot, dammit. Besides, Stewart evened things up a bit by calling a Quebec penalty in OT. Montreal played a solid game (although they still don't know how to clear traffic in front of the net; the loss of Schneider will hurt even more). Normally I would say that any team that blows a 2-goal lead with less than five, let alone two, minutes to go in regulation time IN A PLAYOFF GAME ESPECIALLY needs to be smacked upside their collective heads. But I don't think this was a team loss (although Keane should have been able to clear the zone just prior to the first Quebec goal). Roy is paid big money to play. He looked like a player in an industrial league on Sakic's shot. Demers should start Racicot in the next game. If not that, he should let the damn team read the papers for the next day or two....and maybe this article, if possible. >Patrick Roy collapsed after letting in the tieing goal. He was shaky and >on his knees for the rest of the night. The winning goal shouldn't have >gone in. I didn't think the wrap-around was as bad as the second goal. I also didn't think Scott Young should have gotten around the defender (can't remember who) in the first place. But you are correct, it shouldn't have gone in regardless. >Oh well, at least the Bruins lost in O.T. also Ha, Ha!!--) Yep. Moog looked bad on Mogilny's goal with five seconds left in the second, IMO. How about Neely though? Holy shit, what a player. Speaking of great players, man-oh-man can Quebec skate. I haven't seen a team so potent on the rush in a long time. Watching them break out of their zone, especially Sundin, is a treat to watch. They remind me of the Red Army. But I still hate the team. On the rest of the games: Didn't St. Louis' winning goal come on a powerplay? Penalties will cost Chicago dearly, especially against Detroit. Same goes for Calgary; very, very undisciplined. When Marty McSorely is waving guys to the bench to *avoid* fights, you know something's up. New Jersey was overmatched, Terreri's heroics notwithstanding. Mario is unbelievable, and Jagr for some reason shows up in the playoffs. But I hate that team anyway. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (pissed-off Habs fan) ";-1;0 "From: schmidt@auvax1.adelphi.edu Subject: Grounding power wiring, was Re: a question about 120VAC outlet wiring Lines: 163 Nntp-Posting-Host: auvax1 Organization: Adelphi University, Garden City NY There has been quite a bit of discussion about house wiring and grounding practices here. A few points need to be clarified: The Equipment GROUNDING conductor, Green, green with a yellow stripe, bare, or the metal sheath or pipe of SOME wiring methods, is used as a safety ground, to carry fault currents back to the circuit breaker panel, and to limit the voltage on the metal case of utilization equipment or other metal objects. It should never (except for a few exceptions to be discussed later) carry the normal operating current of a connected load. Some equipment has filters in the power supply which may cause some slight current flow through the grounding conductor. Much communications or audio equipment is sensitive to noise or slight voltages on the grounding conductor, and may require special wiring of the grounding conductors to provide reliable operation (""orange"" outlets are often used for this, with insulated grounding conductors wired back to the panel box, and in many cases back to the service. Anyone installing such a system should read both the section on grounding in the National Electric Code and publications on installing quiet isolated ground systems. The code requires the insulated grounding conductors (green wires) to run with the current carrying conductors back to the panel box, and, if required, back all the way to the service entrance , where it is bonded to the service ground (water pipe or rod) Many of these systems are installed illegally or unsafely, where they do not provide a safe ground or a quiet ground or either. The GROUNDED conductor of a circuit, often called the NEUTRAL, which is referred to in the code as the ""identified"" conductor and is supposed to be white or natural grey. This conductor is supposed to be connected to ground in most electrical systems at a single point, generally at the service entrance panel. This connection is through the Main Bonding Jumper. (In many household service panels, the main bonding jumper is actually a bonding screw which attaches the neutral busbar to the case of the panel) The Grounded conductor (neutral) is generally a current carrying conductor. In the case of a 120 volt circuit it is one of the two conductors completing the circuit from the panel to the load device. Since the grounded conductor (neutral) is only connected to the grounding conductor (bare or green) at the service entrance, if the load is any distance from the service and draws any significant current, there will be a small but measurable voltage between the grounded and grounding conductors at the load, under normal operating conditions. If you should (incorrectly) connect the grounded (neutral) conductor to the grounding conductor at the load, some of the neutral current will flow instead through the grounding conductor. Since there will now be current flowing through the grounding conductor, it will also no longer be quite at ground potential at the load end. If the load equipment has a metal case, which is connected to the grounding conductor through the ""U"" ground plug, the metal case is now also no longer quite at ground potential. The difference (under normal, non short-circuit conditions) may be only a few tenths of a volt, but it could also be a volt or two. This normally does not present a shock hazard. HOWEVER, if you let the metal case of the grounded equipment come into contact with an independently grounded object such as a water or gas pipe, a radiator, a metal air conditioning duct or such, part of the neutral current will try to flow through this aalternate ground path. If the contact is not solid, you will get a significant arc (a low voltage, but possibly moderate current arc) Under the wrong conditions, this arcing could start a fire. It is possible in some cases that the sneak ground current could also flow through a wire of inadequate size, causing it to overheat. With the incorrect non single-point grounding of the neutral, if there is a short circuit from hot to neutral, the high short circuit current which may flow will cause a much higher voltage on the grounding conductor, which increases the possibility for shock or fire. Also if you incorrectly multiply connect the neutral and ground, the voltage on the ground system is seen as noise bu computer or audio equipment, often causing malfunction. I have spent some hours tracking down such shorts in technical facilities where they were inducing severe hum into equipment. The Neutral is usually bonded to the ground at the distribution transformer as well as at the service entrance of each dwelling. This is done primarily for lightning protection, so that induced lightning currents have a short path back to ground, and also to assure that the currents drawn by shorts to grounded objects like pipes draw enough current to trip circuit breakers or blow fuses quickly. The bad side of this is that not all the neutral current from the dwelling goes through the neutral wire back to the transformer. Some of it flows through the grounding electrode (water pipe, etc.) this may cause corrosion in the pipes and possibly in things like underground fuel oil tanks, and it may also cause measurable AC magnetic fields due to the large loop between the ""hot"" conductors in the service and the neutral current in the water pipe and ground. There are those who feel these fields may be unhealthy. (don't flame ME on this, I'm just telling you where the field comes from, not it's health effect, as far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on this.) Note that the bonding jumper is only installed at the main panel, NOT at any sub distribution panels. This is one reason why it is illegal to run service entrance cable with the sheath used as a neutral to a sub panel, you must have a seperate insulated conductor for the neutral. The sheath can be used in this application only as the groundING conductor. If the neutral is bonded to the grounding conductor in the sub panel, say by forgetting to remove the bonding screw, all the grounding conductors of the loads on that panel will be above ground, with the possible problems listed above. The code makes exceptions for ranges and dryers, as well as feeds from one building to another. In the cases of the range and dryer, the neutral may be used as the equipment ground under certain conditions, instead of a seperate wire. Every time the code is revised, these exceptions come up for review. These exceptions were, in fact the first required safety grounds, in the days before U ground outlets and such. The appliance manufacturers don't want to have to redesign their ranges and driers, and the contractors don't want to have to run four wire cable (with four fairly heavy, expensive wires) in place of three wire to the appliances. No question it would be safer with seperate neutrals to the stove, but the neutral current is low for most burner settings (since most current is in the 220 volt ""hots"" except at some low settings, the wires are large gauge, and there are few reported cases of injury or damage. So far, the exceptions have survived. In the case of feeds between buildings, it's primarily for lightning protection. People doing wiring should be aware what is and what isn't a legal grounding conductor. Obviously, the bare wire in ""romex"" 'with ground' is. Anywhere there is a green wire installed, such as in a portable cord, that is a good grounding conductor. The sheath of BX clamped in BX connectors in metal boxes is a legal grounding conductor (in the US). (BX has an aluminum band run under the steel sheath to lower the resistance of the sheath. You can just cut this aluminum band off at the ends, you don't have to bond it to anything, it does its job by touching every turn of the BX sheath.) Conduit or EMT (thinwall tubing) is generally a legal grounding conductor, but may require a bonding locknut where it enters a box or panel, particularly for larger pipes. ""Greenfield"" (looks like big BX, but you pull your own wires in the empty sheath after you run it) is NOT a legal grounding conductor, as it doesn't have the aluminum band to bond it, and the spiral steel has too much resistance and inductance. You have to run a seperate green grounding conductor inside the greenfield. ""Wiremold"" is also not a legal grounding conductor, as the paint on the boxes often prevents good contact, and the ""feed"" to the wiremold extension is often from a box in the wall that may not be well connected to the first wiremold box. I have personally discovered cases where the entire run of wiremold and the cases of everything plugged into all the outlets on the run were ""hot"" with 120 volts (Why do I get a shock every time I touch my computer and the radiator here in the office?) because there was no ground wire in the wiremold and one of the outlets had shorted to the edge of the wiremold box. You must run a ground wire back in the wiremold from the outlets at least to the first box in the original wiring (conduit, BX, etc.) where you can ""bond"" the wire to the box with a screw, bnding clip, or whatever. On another issue, while you should ground the green wire/lug on GCFI outlets when ever there is a place to ground them, it is legal in the NEC to use them without a ground if no ground is available. It is better to have the protection of the Ground fault interrupter than no protection if you don't install it. The interrupter doesn't depend on the ground to trip. It is desirable to connect the ground if available, because if the ground is connected, the interrupter will trip as soon as a faulty device is plugged in, whereas without the ground, it will not trip until someone or something provides a ground path. For those questioning the legal use of ungrounded GCFI's, read in the NEC, 210-7 (d) exception. (This is the 1990 code, my '93 code is in the city, but I know the rule hasn't changed. It might be renumbered though.) We have only touched the surface concerning grounding ;-} , there is much more to this subject, but most of you have fallen asleep by now. John -- ******************************************************************************* John H. Schmidt, P.E. |Internet: schmidt@auvax1.adelphi.edu Technical Director, WBAU |Phone--Days (212)456-4218 Adelphi University | Evenings (516)877-6400 Garden City, New York 11530 |Fax-------------(212)456-2424 ******************************************************************************* ";-1;0 "Subject: Technical Help Sought From: jiu1@husc11.harvard.edu (Haibin Jiu) Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: husc11.harvard.edu Lines: 9 Hi! I am in immediate need for details of various graphics compression techniques. So if you know where I could obtain descriptions of algo- rithms or public-domain source codes for such formats as JPEG, GIF, and fractals, I would be immensely grateful if you could share the info with me. This is for a project I am contemplating of doing. Thanks in advance. Please reply via e-mail if possible. --hBJ ";1;1 "From: netops@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Randy King) Subject: left turn signal won't stop automaticaly Article-I.D.: tekgen.2408 Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 5 The subject says it all. My 1984 Chev S10 Pickup's left turn signal does not stop after turning. What cause this to stop automaticaly?. Is this a mechanical problem by the steering wheel?. NOTE: This truck has an after market steering wheel (GT-Grant) installed. ";-1;0 "From: reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) Subject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 66 evensont@spot.Colorado.EDU (EVENSON THOMAS RANDALL) writes: >Yes, I suppose it is true that people make mistakes. It is interesting to >note that in those long ago OT days, if you weren't 100% correct in >your prophecies, people got very mad and you were no longer believed, >even put to death. This is one of the differences between OT prophecy and NT prophecy. In the NT, it is expected that when believers gather, - people will prophesy - the prophecy must be judged (1 Cor 14:29) There is nothing about killing someone who makes a mistake. >To say that we make mistakes is true. To say that we make mistakes >while filled with the spirit is not true. Were that true, the entire >Bible, having been written by men inspired by God would be subject also >to those errors, for what is prophecy but like those revelations given >in scripture? Scripture is scripture; there is no ""gift of scripture"". And I don't know about you, but I know that _I_ have made mistakes while filled with the spirit. If you don't give grace to allow people to make mistakes, they will never grow in the use of the spiritual gifts! When we minister in my small group, I encourage people to speak out any impressions or images they think might be from the Lord. Only by trying will they know whether they were right or wrong -- and in either case, they'll have a better handle on it the next time. Didn't you fall when you were learning to ride a bicycle? But you kept on trying, and you learned both from your failures and your successes. Spiritual gifts are no different -- you get better with experience. >Which brings me around to asking an open question. Is the Bible a closed >book of Scripture? Is it okay for us to go around saying ""God told >me this"" and ""Jesus told me that""? Wouldn't that imply that God is STILL >pouring out new revelation to us? I know that some people will feel >that is okay, and some will not. The concept of a closed canon would >certainly cast a shadow on contemporary prophets. On the other hand, >an open canon seems to be indicated sometimes. The canon of Scripture is complete. Does this mean that God no longer speaks? I have heard his voice -- not audibly (though some have), but clearly nonetheless. Is what I heard equivalent to Scripture? No. I have never heard contemporary prophets claim that what they receive from the Lord is on the same level as Scripture; on the contrary, those who are mature obey the Scriptures by submitting their prophecies to fellow believers for judgement. And the most reliable yardstick for judging prophecies is, certainly, the Scriptures themselves. The canon is closed -- but God is not silent! >Also interesting to note is that some so called prophecies are nothing new >but rather an inspired translation of scripture. Is it right to call >that prophecy? Misleading? Wouldn't that be more having to do with >knowledge? I know, the gift of knowledge may not be as exciting to >talk about, but shouldn't we call a horse a horse? Does it matter what it is called? The question is not how to label it, but how to receive it. Words of knowledge, incidentally, are similar to prophecy (and sometimes the two overlap), but generally it is supernatural knowledge of some fact that could not be known otherwise. -- ****************************************************************** * Jon Reid * He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep * * reid@cs.uiuc.edu * to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot * ****************************************************************** ";17;1 "From: swh@capella.cup.hp.com (Steve Harrold) Subject: Re: Need Info on Diamond Viper Video Card Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino Lines: 46 Experiences with Diamond Viper VLB video card Several problems: 1) The ad specified 16.7 million colors at 640x480 resolution with 1MB of VRAM, which is what I have. This color depth is NOT SUPPORTED with video BIOS version 1.00 and drivers version 1.01. A max of 65K colors are supported at 640x800 and 800x600 resolutions with 1MB VRAM. 2) With the 65K color choice I notice two minor irritations: a) Under NDW, when an entry in a list is highlighted (such as in an Open menu) and then is deselected, a faint vertical line often remains where the left edge of the highlighted rectangle used to be. b) With Word for Windows, when you use shading in a table, the display shows the INVERSE of the shading; for example, if you shade the cell as 10%, the display is 90% (the printout is OK). 3) The big killer bug is using the Borland C++ Integrated Development Environment. The problem occurs when you click on the Turbo Debugger icon (or use the Debugger option in the Run command), and the debugger application goes to VGA character mode (as it is designed to do). The screen goes haywire, and is largely unreadable. The Turbo Debugger display is all garbled. Through trial and error, I have found that when the disrupted screen is displayed you should do [Alt-Spacebar] followed by the letter ""R"". This instructs Turbo Debugger to refresh the screen, and it does this satisfactorily. I wish I didn't have to do this. The bug is more than with the Diamond drivers. The same disruptive behavior happens with the standard VGA driver that comes with Windows. There must be something in the video card that mishandles the VGA mode. The problem is not my monitor. The same bug shows up when I use another monitor in place of my usual one. I still like this video card, and am hoping its problems will be remedied (they do offer a 5 year warranty). --- swh, 20apr93 ";-1;0 "From: jmatkins@quads.uchicago.edu (Jonny A (Voltron)) Subject: Panasonic dot matrix printer: $165 complete Reply-To: jmatkins@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Distribution: usa Lines: 41 I would like to sell my dot matrix printer so I can upgrade to inkjet. It is a ""Panasonic KX-P1124 24 pin Multi-Mode Printer"". Here are the stats (from memory and the manual): - 360x360 dot-printing for hi-res graphics, etc. - VERY fast (up to 192 cps) printing in ""printer-controlled"" (as opposed to Windows driver-controlled) printing - Bidirectional printing for faster processing speed - 5 fonts (""courier"",""prestige"",""bold ps"",""script"",""sans serif"") - Epson LQ-2500 and IBM Proprinter X24 printer emulation - Can accept single sheets, envelopes, and 3 non-carbon copies by friction feed - Front or bottom paper feed - 6KB buffer I will send a sample document and a printed GIF/JPEG file to anyone who wishes to send a SASE. With purchase (prepaid, please!), I will include the following accessories: - Manual - cable (Centronics) - remaining stack of tractor-fed paper (about .4"") - FREE copy of Windows printer driver (unless this is illegal, or if it is included with Windows) - FREE unregistered DOS shareware program ($2 registration, I think) that apparently offers some word processing capabilities from DOS The last two will be on a disk (either size). I am asking for around $165, but I am open to any (reasonable) offers. I am a college student, so I cannot afford to buy a new printer without getting a considerable portion of the money from this printer. This price includes all above items, and shipping (probably UPS) is included as well. I have the original box, but only one of the original Styrofoam end pieces. I will use a towel on the other end (you get a free towel too!!). Worked fine getting it here. The whole shebang might not fit in the original box; I will figure this out after the offers come in. Email any questions and offers. -Jon. -- jmatkins@midway.uchicago.edu | jmatkins@ellis.uchicago.edu ";-1;0 "From: djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis) Subject: For Sale: Jazz Recordings Keywords: Music, Jazz, For Sale, Help a Starving Student Lines: 69 ************************************************************ * For Sale - Jazz Compact Discs * ************************************************************ I have the following CDs for sale, they are all in mint condition and are fairly hard to find. They are all on the savoy label and put out by Dennon (Dennon bought the rights to Savoy and released these disks) I would like to sell them all in one package deal but I will consider individual orders. These are the titles and artists: Telefunken Blues Milt Jackson, Kenny Clarke, Percy Heath Frank Morgan, Frank Wess, Walter Benton Jazz Concert West Coast The Bopland Boys Opus De Jazz VOl-2 John Rae, Steve Kuhn, Bobby Jaspar, Jake Hannah, John Neves Patterns of Jazz Cecil Payne, Kenny Dorham, Duke Jordan, Tommy Potter, Art Taylor Penthouse Serenade Erroll Garner Footloose Paul Bley The Imortal Lester Young Lester Young, Count Basie Great Britain's Marian McPartland, George Shearing Howard McGhee and Milt Jackson Self Titled I Just Love Jazz Piano Hampton Hawes, John Mehegan, Herbie Nichols, Paul Smith Art Pepper & Sonny Reid Self Titled Opus De Blues Frank Wess, Thad Jones, Curtis Fuller Charlie Fowlkes, Hank Jones, Eddie Jones, Gus Johnson Jazz is Busting out All Over Too many names to list Opus in Swing Frank Wess, Kenny Burrell Freddie Green, Eddie Jones, Kenny Clarke Jackson's Ville Milt Jackson, Lucky Thompson, Hank Jones Wendell Marshall, Kenny Clarke I will take any reasonable offer on the package of the 15 discs as well as offers on individual discs. Please E-mail me with a response or call (807) 344-0010 Thanx Derek -- $_ /|$Derek J.P. Serianni $ E-Mail : djserian@flash.lakeheadu.ca $ $\'o.O' $Sociologist $ It's 106 miles to Chicago,we've got a full tank$ $=(___)=$Lakehead University $ of gas, half a pack of cigarettes,it's dark,and$ $ U $Thunder Bay, Ontario$ we're wearing sunglasses. -Elwood Blues $ ";-1;0 "From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Lines: 27 mpetro@brtph126.bnr.ca (Myron Petro P030) writes: >>Ron Miller wrote: >>When you ask the question of the ""authorities"" or sponsors of buyback >>programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer >>""no, it's total amnesty"". > (good point about registration schemes being used only for harassment deleted) > I would also like to point out that this is receiving stolen property and is >no different than a pawn shop owner doing the same thing. > > > Myron Petro > NRA, USPSA > DVC y'all > ************************************************************************** > The opinions included in this post are my sole responsibility. > And are protected by the First Amendment and guarnteed by the > Second Amendment. An interesting idea consider: At any locality where a buy-back program is being instituted, get a list of guns they received and compare serial numbers with a list of stolen guns and sue the people responsible for the program if those guns were destroyed. Criminal charges can also be made.( Receiving stolen property, destruction of private property etc.) ";-1;0 "From: WHMurray@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL Subject: Licensing..... Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway Lines: 49 >This thread brings up the more general question. Can any crypto >implementation for which highly publicly scrutinized source code is not >available EVER be trusted? After IBM had invented the DES and the NBS had advertised for proposals, but before IBM had decided to respond, I argued strenuously that they should not; they should keep it proprietary. The biggest proponent of proposing was Dr. Lewis Branscomb. Dr. Branscomb was the IBM Chief Scientist and had come to IBM from NBS. Fortunately for all of us, Dr. Branscomb understood the answer to the above question much better than I. He realized how difficult it would be to gain acceptance for any cryptographic mechanism. Because of the necessary complexity, publicity would not be sufficient and neither would authority. In fact, it has taken both of those plus more than 15 years. We have also had independence. The DES was solicited by NBS, invented and proposed by IBM, and vetted by NBS. It has also been examined and vetted by experts like Adi Shamir, who are not subject to influence by any of these. Even now, there are still people posting on this list who do not trust the DES in spite of all the time, all of the analysis, and all of the public scrutiny. (Of course, it is just this point that NIST misses when it attempts to gain acceptance for a novel mechanism, developed in secret, on the basis of authority alone.) We had a long thread here about whether or not the NSA can ""break"" the DES. That is a silly question. At some cost and in some time they can ""break"" anything. The important question is at what cost and in what time. The fundamental strength of the DES and RSA are not nearly so important as what we know about their strength. As long as we understand the cost and duration for an attacker, then we can use them in a safe way. At this point, we may never replace either because of the inability of any successor to overcome this knowledge gap. DES and RSA are among the most significant inventions of the century and the most important inventions in the history of cryptography. We are damned lucky to have them. William Hugh Murray, Executive Consultant, Information System Security 49 Locust Avenue, Suite 104; New Canaan, Connecticut 06840 1-0-ATT-0-700-WMURRAY; WHMurray at DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL ";16;1 "From: tbigham@shearson.com (Tim Bigham) Subject: Re: Advice on BMWs and winter driving Reply-To: tbigham@shearson.com Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. Lines: 26 This past winter I drove from NYC to Killington,VT 6 or 7 times in my 1990 325i Convertible (talk about poor reputation in the snow!!) with an EXCELLENT set of snow tires. I put 4 Noika NR10s on in Dec. and have been sure footed in some pretty severe weather conditions ever since. I've plowed through 4 - 5 inch snow covered roads effortlessly, while other cars have been paralyzed (front wheel drive included). Concentrate more on ""where the rubber meets the road"" rather than driveability of cars in snowy conditions. Drive carefully, buy good snow tires, and most cars will perform adequately in less than ideal conditions. An aside: I can't praise Noika NR10 snows enough. Absolutely the BEST snow tires I have ever driven on. If you live in the snow belt, do yourself a favor and get a set of these next winter. Tim --- Timothy J. Bigham | All opinions expressed above are my own Lehman Brothers, Inc. | and should not be construed as those of AMEX Tower, World Financial Center | my employer. New York, N.Y. | ";10;1 "From: ""Jae W. Chang"" Subject: Info on Sport-Cruisers Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu I'm looking for a sport-cruiser - factory installed fairings ( full/half ), hard saddle bags, 750cc and above, and all that and still has that sporty look. I particularly like the R100RS and K75 RT or S, or any of the K series BMW bikes. I was wondering if there are any other comparable type bikes being produced by companies other than BMW. Thanks for the info, Jae -------------------------- jae@cmu.edu ";-1;0 "From: jim@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (jim jaworski) Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607 Lines: 36 rborden@ugly.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) writes: > In article <734850108.F00002@permanet.org> Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permane > > > >One could go on and on and on here, but I wonder ... how > >many people read sci.space and of what power/influence are > >these individuals? > > > Quick! Everyone who sees this, post a reply that says: > > ""Hey, I read sci.space!"" > > Then we can count them, and find out how many there are! :-) > (This will also help answer that nagging question: ""Just what is > the maximum bandwidth of the Internet, anyways?"") > As an Amateur Radio operator (VHF 2metres) I like to keep up with what is going up (and for that matter what is coming down too). In about 30 days I have learned ALOT about satellites current, future and past all the way back to Vanguard series and up to Astro D observatory (space). I borrowed a book from the library called Weater Satellites (I think, it has a photo of the earth with a TIROS type satellite on it.) I would like to build a model or have a large color poster of one of the TIROS satellites I think there are places in the USA that sell them. ITOS is my favorite looking satellite, followed by AmSat-OSCAR 13 (AO-13). TTYL 73 Jim jim@inqmind.bison.mb.ca The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 ";-1;0 "From: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks? Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: flubber.cc.utexas.edu In article westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes: >I have just installed a Diamond Stealth 24 ISA card in >a '486DX2-66 system with 256K cache, and 16 megs of memory, >that gets about a 126 SI 6.0 CPU Benchmark rating. Using >the 1024x768x16 color driver under Windows, I am getting a >Winbench Winmarks rating of only about 9.5 Million. Since >I have heard that others get 15-to-16 million for this card, >I assume that something is very wrong with my setup. >What are some possible causes of the card slowing down like this? Most importantly, which Winbench version are you using? On my local bus ATI Graphics Ultra Pro, I've gotten various Winbench scores from 15.8 million to 31 million winmarks, depending on the version. Winbench 2.5 gives the most optimistic scores, 3.11 gives the least. A winmark rating is meaningless without a corresponding version number. Dan -- Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu -----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] -----------------------------------+------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: jleon@usc.edu (Juan Carlos Leon) Subject: modems and noisy lines. Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu Hi, I just got a problem, I have a cheapo 2400bps modem which I use to connect to my university, but I get too much garbage on the screen. I do know it's because the noise in the line (I can actually hear it). So my question is will an error correction protocol help to eliminate this garbage?, my modem doesn't have any of these on hardware, can a software implemented protocol do the trick? Thanks. Juan Carlos Leon -- jleon@scf.usc.edu | jcleon@ucs.usc.edu Electrical & Computer Major | University Computing Services University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA. ";-1;0 "From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 22 Eugene Bigelow writes: >Doesn't the Bible say that God is a fair god [sic]? If this is true, how can >this possibly be fair to the infants? What do you mean fair? God is just, giving to everyone what they deserve. As all infants are in sin from the time of conception (cf Romans 5.12, Psalm 1.7), they cannot possibly merit heaven, and as purgatory is for the purging of temporal punishment and venial sins, it is impossible that origianl sin can be forgiven. Hence, the unbaptized infants are cut off from the God against whom they, with the whole of the human race except Mary, have sinned. Which is why Jesus said, ""Truly, truly I say to you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God unless he is born of water and Spirit"" which is the true meaning of born again (John 3.5). Thus, as infants are in sin, it is very fair for them to be cut off from God and exlcuded from heaven. As St. Augustine said, ""I did not invent original sin, which the Catholic faith holds from ancient time; but you, who deny it, without a doubt are a follower of a new heresy."" (De nuptiis, lib. 11.c.12) Andy Byler ";-1;0 "From: loschen@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor Reply-To: loschen@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr16.145322.16378@nlm.nih.gov>, dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: >> >>Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? >>Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently >>delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered >>if anyone else had seen this. >> > >As a followup, this is a co-worker's machine. He has the latest 2.03 drivers. >It only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver. Sometimes it takes a minute >or so for the cursor to wig out, but it eventually does in this mode. I >susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants. I excluded >a000-c7ff in the EMM386 line and in system.ini The problem persisted. >Perhaps it is something specific to the Gateway machine or it's components. >It is a 66mhz DX/2 Eisa bus with an Ultrastore (24xx?) controller. Ah well, >I was hoping this was some kind of 'known problem' or somebody had seen it >before. Perhaps a call to Gateway is in order, but I do find folks here >usually are far more in the know. > >--Don Lindbergh >dabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov I haven't seen this particular problem, but another place you might check is if your BIOS is doing video shadowing--Diamond wants that turned off. That might cause a memory conflict as well. Good luck. Hope this helps, Chris Loschen, Brandeis U. ";-1;0 "From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Divine providence vs. Murphy's Law Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 19 In article rolfe@junior.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) writes: >Romans 8:28 (RSV) We know that in everything God works for good with those >who love him, who are called according to his purpose. > >Murphy's Law: If anything can go wrong, it will. > >We are all quite familiar with the amplifications and commentary on >Murphy's Law. But how do we harmonize that with Romans 8:28? For that >matter, how appropriate is humor contradicted by Scripture? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I've always taken Murphy's Law to be an exhortation to prudence, and an observation about the behavior of complex systems, rather than a denial of divine benevolence. -- :- Michael A. 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The : answer is simple ""Overpriced considering the sound quality"". Why not try one of the projects to build a DAC connected to the parallel port as documented in some files which come with modplay ? These vary from a 4 DAC design to a simple single DAC made only of resistors.-- David Hembrow EO Europe Ltd., email: dhembrow@eoe.co.uk Abberley House, Granhams Road, Great Shelford, Cambridge CB2 5LQ, England ";-1;0 "From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) Subject: Re: Candida Albicans: what is it? Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article <1993Apr19.084258.1040@ida.liu.se> davpa@ida.liu.se (David Partain) writes: >Someone I know has recently been diagnosed as having Candida Albicans, >a disease about which I can find no information. Apparently it has something >to do with the body's production of yeast while at the same time being highly >allergic to yeast. Can anyone out there tell me any more about it? Candida albicans can cause severe life-threatening infections, usually in people who are otherwise quite ill. This is not, however, the sort of illness that you are probably discussing. ""Systemic yeast syndrome"" where the body is allergic to yeast is considered a quack diagnosis by mainstream medicine. There is a book ""The Yeast Connection"" which talks about this ""illness"". There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists. -- David Rind rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu ";4;1 "From: claice@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Farmer Ted) Subject: Re: Space Debris Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 14 > There is this buy at NASA Langley... YES! Give me his name I would greatly appreciate it. Rich ""The Earth is a cradle of the mind. But, we cannot live forever in a cradle"" K.E. Tsiolkovski Father of Russian Astronautics ";-1;0 "From: ad215@Freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme) Subject: Re: Canucks clinch, Bure to score 20 playoff goals Reply-To: ad215@Freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 21 In a previous article, steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) says: > >Ron Apland (apland@mala.bc.ca) writes: >> Quinn will resign as head coach (this is no secret) and HOPEFULLY they will >> BRING IN someone who looks at the game spatially and institutes some team >> disciplined play. How about Keenan? Give him what he wants, GM and Coach, >> and have Quinn upstairs as president. > >I was under the impression that Rick Ley was in line for the Canucks job >should Quinn step off the bench. Ley coached in the Canucks' organization BRING BACK HARRY! (NEALE) At least he was witty... -- ad215@freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme)] ";-1;0 "From: jboro@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Jason Boro) Subject: 2 PC's, chair & typewriter in Boston Organization: Center for Clinical Computing - Boston, MA. Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cheever.bih.harvard.edu 1. IBM PS/2 286; 30 meg hd; 1.44 disk drive 3.5""; extended keyboard; mouse, mouse-pad; DOS, DOSSHELL, EXCEL, WINDO S, WORD, AMIPRO, GRE StudyWare. $500 / b.o. 2. Zenith Date Systems supersport laptop computer w/ 120V AC recharger; model 150-308 60 hz. DOS 4.0 2 disc drives for 3.5"" floppy carrying case, manuals. $350 / b.o. 3. 2 leather desk chairs (1) black $200. (2) brown $150. or both for $300. 4. Olivetti manual typewriter, Tropical model. Incl. characters for typing in Italian language. $100. Please reply via email or call me at my home number: (617) 277-9234. Thanks, Jason *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | Jason Boro ....................... jboro@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu | | Center for Clinical Computing .......... Boston, MA (617) 732-5925 | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* ";-1;0 "From: ktj@beach.cis.ufl.edu (kerry todd johnson) Subject: army in space Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept. Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: beach.cis.ufl.edu Is anybody out there willing to discuss with me careers in the Army that deal with space? After I graduate, I will have a commitment to serve in the Army, and I would like to spend it in a space-related field. I saw a post a long time ago about the Air Force Space Command which made a fleeting reference to its Army counter-part. Any more info on that would be appreciated. I'm looking for things like: do I branch Intelligence, or Signal, or other? To whom do I voice my interest in space? What qualifications are necessary? Etc, etc. BTW, my major is computer science engineering. Please reply to ktj@reef.cis.ufl.edu Thanks for ANY info. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Whether they ever find life there or not, I think Jupiter should be = = considered an enemy planet. -- Jack Handy = ---ktj@reef.cis.ufl.edu---cirop59@elm.circa.ufl.edu---endeavour@circa.ufl.edu-- ";-1;0 "From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: 5 Apr 93 God's Promise in Psalm 85: 8 Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 21 In article psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes: > I will hear what God the LORD will speak: > for he will speak peace > unto his people, and to his saints: > but let them not turn again to folly. Psalm85(JPS): For the leader. Of the Korahites. A psalm. O LORD, You will favor Your land, restore Jacob's fortune; You will forgive Your people's iniquity, pardon all their sins; Selah; You will withdraw all Your anger, turn away from Your rage. Turn again, O God, our helper, revoke Your displeasure with us. Will you be angry with us forever, prolong Your wrath for all generations? Surely You will revive us again, so that Your people may rejoice in You. Show us, O LORD, Your faithfulness; grant us Your deliverance. Let me hear what God, the LORD, will speak; He will promise well-being to His people, His faithful ones; may they not turn to folly. His help is very near those who fear Him, to make His glory dwell in our land. Faithfulness and truth meet; justice and well-being kiss. Truth springs up from the earth; justice looks down from heaven. The LORD also bestows His bounty; our land yields its produce. Justice goes before Him as He sets out on His way. ";-1;0 "From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr15.100452.16793@csx.cciw.ca> u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes: >In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu> jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes: >> >> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old >>256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac >>and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to >>sell them but have gotten NO interest. >> >> So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy >>some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing >>about it. >> >One of the guys at work takes 20 of them, uses cyano-acrylate glue to make >five four-wide ""panels"" then constructs a box, with bottom, to use as a >pencil holder. > Or, if you've got some entreprenuerial (sp?) spirit, get a cheapy clear plastic box, mount the simm inside, and sell it as a 'Pet SIMM'! I'm sure there are *plenty* of suckers out there who would go for it! aaron ";-1;0 "From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: hawks vs leafs lastnight Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Distribution: na Lines: 33 In <1993Apr18.153820.10118@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >In article <93106.082502ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Raj Ramnarace writes: >>did anyone else see this game last night ? just like a playoff game!! >>lots of hitting...but I was disappointed by the video goal judge... >>on all replays, joe murphy's goal shouldn't have counted ! it didn't go in net >>!! and according to the tsn broadcasters, the video goal judge said that he >>saw the water bottle on top of the cage move so he assumed the puck went in! >>this is terrible...hope crap like this doesn't occur in the playoffs! >>the game would have ended in 2-2 tie ! >I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption >would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the >net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn't >conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion... It seemed pretty conclusive to me. The puck clearly hit the crossbar and then came down on the line. And the announcers, admittedly homers, kept harping about how they ""must have had a different view upstairs"" because it was obvious to them, and, I would have thought, to anyone who saw the replay, that the puck didn't go in. The referee originally signalled no goal but the video replay ""judges"" initiated contact with the referee to claim that a goal was in fact scored. This, to me, is unheard of. Seeing stuff like this happen gives me a bad feeling about the Leaf chances this year. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ";-1;0 "From: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) Subject: Re: sore throat Reply-To: paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, UK Lines: 29 In article <47835@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) writes: >I have had a sore throat for almost a week. When I look into >the mirror with the aid of a flash light, I see white plaques in >the very back of my throat (on the sides). I went to a health >center to have a throat culture taken. They said that I do not >have strep throat. Could a viral infection cause white plaques >on the sides of my throat? First, I am not a doctor. I know about this because I have been through it. It sounds like tonsilitis (lit. swollen tonsils). Feel under your jaw hinge for a swelling on each side. If you find them, its tonsilitis. I've had this a couple of times in the past. The doctor prescribed a weeks course of penicillin and that cleared it up. In my case it was associated with glandular fever, which is a viral infection which (from my point of view) resembled flu and tonsilitis that kept coming back for a year or so. There is a blood test for this. In conclusion, see a doctor (if you have not done so already). Paul. -- Paul Johnson (paj@gec-mrc.co.uk). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245 --------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions ";-1;0 "From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice on CB900 Custom purchase Keywords: CB900, purchase Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr14.204821.8497@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: >In article <93Apr14.185235.31833@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: >>My mechanic once commented that the 'dual range' transmission was >>pure junk. One mans opinion... >> I had a friend in Pittsburgh who had a CB1000C with the dual-range tranny on it. He usually only used the ""economy"" range to get an overdrive sixth gear out of it. He had 59000 miles on it when it was stolen. It was recovered shortly after that, repaired, and, for all I know, it's still going strong. The CB1000C was a shaft-driven overbore version of the CB900 and was made for exactly one year (yep, head and base gaskets are VERY expensive). Helluva bike. A data point, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. ";-1;0 "From: mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) Subject: Re: Lindbergh and the moon (was:Why not give $1G) Organization: MDSSC Lines: 32 In article <1r3nuvINNjep@lynx.unm.edu>, cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook) writes: > All of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year > moon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace > development before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of > Saint Louis venture to his financial backers. > But I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to > realize that much more was at stake than $25,000. > Could it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of > today? The commercial uses of a transportation system between already-settled- and-civilized areas are obvious. Spaceflight is NOT in this position. The correct analogy is not with aviation of the '30's, but the long transocean voyages of the Age of Discovery. It didn't require gov't to fund these as long as something was known about the potential for profit at the destination. In practice, some were gov't funded, some were private. But there was no way that any wise investor would spend a large amount of money on a very risky investment with no idea of the possible payoff. I am sure that a thriving spaceflight industry will eventually develop, and large numbers of people will live and work off-Earth. But if you ask me for specific justifications other than the increased resource base, I can't give them. We just don't know enough. The launch rate demanded by existing space industries is just too low to bring costs down much, and we are very much in the dark about what the revolutionary new space industries will be, when they will practical, how much will have to be invested to start them, etc. -- Keith Mancus | N5WVR | ""Black powder and alcohol, when your states and cities fall, | when your back's against the wall...."" -Leslie Fish | ";-1;0 "From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU Subject: Re: No land for peace - No negotiatians Originator: hasan@haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 45 In article <1993Apr5.175047.17368@unocal.com>, stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: |> Alan Stein writes: |> |> >What are you talking about? The Rabin government has clearly |> >indicated its interest in a territorial compromise that would leave |> >the vast majority of the Arabs in Judea, Samaria and Gaza outside |> >Israeli control. (just an interrupting comment here) Since EARLY 1980's , israelis said they are willing to give up the Adminstration rule of the occupied terretories to Palestineans. Palestineans refused and will refuse such settlement that denies them their right of SELF-DETERMINATION. period. |> I know. I was just pointing out that not compromising may be a bad idea. And |> there are, in Israel, voices against negotiations. And I think there are many |> among palestineans also against any negociations. |> |> Just an opinion |> |> Dorin Ok. I donot know why there are israeli voices against negotiations. However, i would guess that is because they refuse giving back a land for those who have the right for it. As for the Arabian and Palestinean voices that are against the current negotiations and the so-called peace process, they are not against peace per se, but rather for their well-founded predictions that Israel would NOT give an inch of the West bank (and most probably the same for Golan Heights) back to the Arabs. An 18 months of ""negotiations"" in Madrid, and Washington proved these predictions. Now many will jump on me saying why are you blaming israelis for no-result negotiations. I would say why would the Arabs stall the negotiations, what do they have to loose ? Arabs feel that the current ""negotiations"" is ONLY for legitimizing the current status-quo and for opening the doors of the Arab markets for israeli trade and ""oranges"". That is simply unacceptable and would be revoked. Just an opinion. Hasan ";-1;0 "From: enavarro@nyx.cs.du.edu (Emilio Navarro) Subject: NetBIOS and BIOS Summary: NetBios Keywords: NetBios Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 9 Hello everyone, Could anyone tell me where to find some information about NetBios and Bios interrupt calls. A book or maybe an FTP site. Thank you in advance. Emilio ";-1;0 "From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 20 In article kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) writes: > That brings up an interesting point. Anyone else catch ESPN's piece about >prospects and the relationship between age, career length, MVPs and Hall of >Fame members? It was part of their preseason special. Wow. ESPN can repeat eleven-year-old Bill James research. (Literally. Check the 1982 Abstract.) > It was the most impressive thing I've seen on ESPN in recent memory. Perhaps in 2004 they'll be as reliable as an average SDCN. > I guess Ray Knight makes his rebuttal tonight. Oops, maybe not. -- ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."" standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal ";-1;0 "From: gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu) Subject: Is it possible ? Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 13 Hello. Is it possible to know minimize program manager when starting an application and to restore it when the application is ended ? If possible, please tell me how to do it ! -- ===================== ( Forever 23, Michael Jordan.) ===================== Tony G. Wu gtonwu@uz.nthu.edu.tw CAE/Rheology Lab. NTHU. tony@che.nthu.edu.tw ";-1;0 "From: kahn@troi.cc.rochester.edu (James Kahn) Subject: Re: David Wells Nntp-Posting-Host: troi.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr5.124526.10219@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> carrd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes: >Has David Wells landed with a team yet? I'd think the Tigers with their >anemic pitching would grab this guy pronto! They did. For $950K. Jim ";-1;0 "From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) Subject: Vast Bandwidth Over-runs on NASA thread (was Re: NASA ""Wraps"") In-Reply-To: wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov's message of 18 Apr 1993 13:56 CDT Originator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: snow.fox.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University <17APR199316423628@judy.uh.edu> <1993Apr18.034101.21934@iti.org> <18APR199313560620@judy.uh.edu> Lines: 12 In article <18APR199313560620@judy.uh.edu>, Dennis writes about a zillion lines in response to article <1993Apr18.034101.21934@iti.org>, in which Allen wrote a zillion lines in response to article <17APR199316423628@judy.uh.edu>, in which Dennis wrote another zillion lines in response to Allen. Hey, can it you guys. Take it to email, or talk.politics.space, or alt.flame, or alt.music.pop.will.eat.itself.the.poppies.are.on.patrol, or anywhere, but this is sci.space. This thread lost all scientific content many moons ago. Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu ";-1;0 "From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Jose Canseco's Swing - 1992 vs. 1986. Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: na Lines: 62 In article ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Built Like Villanueva Huckabay) writes: >Was going over some videos last night..... And you wrote an *excellent* report about it. >1. He's bulked up too much. Period. He needs to LOSE about 20 pounds, > not gain more bulk. > >2. His bat speed has absolutely VANISHED. Conservatively, I'd say he's > lost 4%-7% of his bat speed, and that's a HUGE amount of speed. > >3. That open stance is KILLING him. Note that he acts sort of like > Brian Downing - way open to start, then closes up as ball is > released. Downing could do this without significant head movement - > Canseco can't. Also, note that Canseco doesn't always close his > stance the same way - sometimes, his hips are open, sometimes, > they're fully closed. Without a good starting point, it's hard > to make adjustments in your swing. I understand (from an unreliable source) that Canseco was considered expendable by the A's when he refused to accept any coaching about his batting stance. The A's brain trust came to believe that his back problems were exacerbated, if not caused, by having a wide open stance, closing it quickly and then swinging with a lot of torque (that's a paraphrase of what I remember). In any event, Canseco took the road that he and he alone would decide his stance, and the A's began to believe that he would either reinjure himself or begin to lose his ability to hit for both average and power. >Aside from salting away a large sum of a cash that I could never touch, >so that I'd never have to work again, I'd restructure my entire swing. Apparently, you sound like LaRussa. >Second, drop 20 pounds. Cut out the weight work. The A's also objected about this. >If Canseco's open stance and resulting bad habits are a result of his back >problems, he'll be out of baseball in three years. If not, he could >still hit 600+ HR. Again, I'm just repeating something I heard. But possibly the cause and effect is the reverse of that. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com ";14;1 "From: brock@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bradley W. Brock) Subject: Re: Tribune & Times Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 20 Reply-To: brock@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bradley W. Brock) NNTP-Posting-Host: g210b-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL) writes: > pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu wrote: > > > > Is the Chicago Tribune baseball coverage any good? Does the New York Times > > have daily coverage/boxscores? > > I don't know about the Tribune but the Times has daily coverage and boxscores. > Of course, they have special emphasis on the Yankees and Mets Beware. The original poster looks to be from Louisville, and chances are Louisville gets the edition of the NYTimes that is printed in Chicago for the MidWest. This edition has boxscores only on Monday (and Sunday) and an extremely skimpy sports section (few game summaries, mostly just color stories). -- Bradley W. Brock, Department of Mathematics Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology | ""Resist not evil.... Love your enemies."" brock@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu | --some Nazarene carpenter ";-1;0 "From: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu Subject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions Article-I.D.: Msu.0096B0F0.C5DE05A0 Reply-To: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu Organization: Montana State University Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr15.003015.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>, cvadrnlh@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes: >Today (4/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to make >room for Harkey? >Also, are Delino Deshields & John Wetteland of the Expos on the DL? >Thanks for anyone who can give me more info! >/=== >Ken >Cal Poly, Pomona > Wetteland is on the DL effective March 26 or something like that. rick ";14;1 "From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 28 msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes: >Thanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn't known to >me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American >has an article about the ""Inconstant Cosmos"", with a photo of Neil >Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory. >Same person? No. I estimate a 99 % probability the Gehrels referred to is Thomas Gehrels of the Spacewatch project, Kitt Peak observatory. Maybe in the 24th century they could do gamma ray spectroscopy on distant asteroids with an orbiting observatory, but here in the primitive 20th we have to send a probe there to get gamma ray spectroscopy done. >Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto ""Information! ... We want information!"" >utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com -- The Prisoner You have the info on Mayan Television yet? >This article is in the public domain. -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man ";-1;0 "From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: Shell Oil Lines: 99 In article jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) writes: > >[Descriptions of true and false obedience] > >Obedience is not solely a matter of compliance/refusal. The nature of >the commands must also be taken into account; it is not enough to >consider someone's compliance or refusal and then say whether they are >""obedient"" or ""disobedient"". You also have to take into consideration >whether the commands are good or bad. You ask where we are. I would echo that question. I'm not trying to be contentious. But assuming that the Pope has universal jurisdiction and authority, what authority do you rely upon for your decisions? What prevents me from choosing ANY doctrine I like and saying that Papal disagreement is an error that will be resolved in time? This is especially true, since Councils of Bishops have basically stood by the Pope. It appears that much of what lies at the heart of this matter is disagreements over what is tradition and Tradition, and also over authority and discipline. My question to the supporters of SSPX is this: Is there ANY way that your positions with respect to church reforms could change and be conformed to those of the Pope? (assuming that the Pope's position does not change and that the leaders of SSPX don't jointly make such choice.) If not, this appears to be claiming infallible teaching authority. If I adopt the view that ""I'm NOT wrong, I CAN'T be wrong, and there's NO WAY I'll change my mind, YOU must change yours"", that I've either left the Catholic Church or it has left me. The Orthodox Church does not recognize papal authority/jurisdiction viewing authority as present in each bishop, and in Ecumenical Councils. We regard the subsequent development of the doctrines regarding papal authority and jurisdiction to be a separation of the Bishop of Rome from the Orthodox church. Without going into the merits of the Great Schism, at least the Orthodox agree that a split occurred, and don't paly what appear to be semantic games like ""He's the Pope, but we don't recognize that what he does is effective..."". Words aside, it appears to be a de facto split. >So where are we? Are we in another Arian heresy, complete with weak >Popes? Or are the SSPX priests modern Martin Luthers? Well, the only >way to answer that is to examine who is saying what, and what the >traditional teaching of the Church is. We sould argue from now until the Second Coming about what the ""real"" traditional teaching of the Church is. If this were a simple matter East and West would not have been separated for over 900 years. >Many Catholics will decide to side with the Pope. There is some >soundness in this, because the Papacy is infallible, so eventually >some Pope *will* straighten all this out. I thought that the teaching magisterieum of the church did not allow error in teachings regarding faith and morals even in the short term.` I may be wrong here, I'm not Roman Catholic. :-) What would be the effect of a Pope making an ex cathedra statement regarding the SSPX situation? Would it be honored? If not, how do you get around the formal doctrine of infallibility? Again, I'm not trying to be contentions, I'm trying to understand. Since I'm Orthodox, I've got no real vested interest in the outcome, one way or the other. >Schism is a superset of disobedience (refusal to obey a legitimate >command). All schismatics are disobedient. But it's a superset, so >it doesn't work the other way around: not all disobeyers are >schismatics. The mere fact that the SSPX priests don't comply with >the Holy Father's desires doesn't make them schismatics. It does if the command was legitimate. SSPX does not view the Pope's commands as legitimate. Why? This is a VERY slippery slope. > But my problem with this is >this: according to the traditional theology of Holy Orders, episcopal >consecration does not confer jurisdiction. It only confers the power >of Order: the ability to confect the Sacraments. True enough. > Jurisdiction must be >conferred by someone else with the power to confer it (such as the >Pope). The Society bishops, knowing the traditional theology quite >well, take great pains to avoid any pretence of jurisdiction over >anyone. They simply confer those Sacraments that require a bishop. One could argue that they are establishing a non-geographic jurisdiction. I don't know if that's even a concept or problem in Catholic circles. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ------- Lawrence Overacker Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965 llo@shell.com ";-1;0 "From: menon@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Ravi or Deantha Menon) Subject: Re: eye dominance Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: beagle.colorado.edu nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes: >[reply to rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver)] > >>Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an overall >>right-handedness in the population? I mean do most people require less >>lens corrections for the one eye than the other? If so, what kinds of >>percentages can be attached to this? Thanks. > >There is an ""eyedness"" analogous to handedness but it has nothing to do >with refractive error. To see whether you are right or left eyed, roll >up a sheet of paper into a tube and hold it up to either eye like a >telescope. The eye that you feel more comfortable putting it up to is >your dominant eye. Refractive error is often different in the two eyes >but has no correlation with handedness. > >David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI >This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher >must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell What do you mean ""more comfortable putting it up to."" That seems a bit hard to evaluate. At least for me it is. Stare straight Point with both hands together and clasp so that only the pointer fingers are pointing straight forward to a a spot on the wall about eight feet away. First stare at the spot with both eyes open. Now close your left eye. Now open your left eye. Now close your right eye. now open your right eye. If the image jumped more when you closed your right eye, you are right eye dominant. If the image jumped more when you closed your left eye, you are left eye dominant. Deantha ";-1;0 "From: jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason) Subject: Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, etc.. For Sale Organization: Univ. of Florida Psychology Dept. Lines: 460 NNTP-Posting-Host: elm.circa.ufl.edu Updated April 17, 1993. 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Shipping is $1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order a large enough amount of stuff. I am willing to haggle. I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what you've been looking for, and maybe I can help. Some titles I have posted here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space. -- Geoffrey R. Mason | jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu Department of Psychology | mason@webb.psych.ufl.edu University of Florida | prothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: How large are commercial keys? From: pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland Lines: 17 In <1993Apr20.182038.12009@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) writes: >What are the typical sizes for keys for commercial secret key algorithms? >I know DES is 56 bits (""tripple DES"" is 112 bits) and IDEA is 128 bits. Is >there anything made in the US that has 128 bit keys? Anything anywhere >that has larger keys? I've heard that RC2 can be scaled to arbitrarily >large keys, but is this actually implemented anywhere? My MDC cipher (which uses any one-way hash function as a CFB-mode stream cipher, the current implementation uses MD5) uses a key of up to 2048 bits (that is, you can use a 1-bit key if you want and copy it over the entire 2048-bit range, or you can use the entire 2048 bits). Runtime is independant of key size, the system runs slightly slower than MD5 itself. I presume RC2 and RC4 use a similar system (or possibly they just hash an arbitrary-length key down to n bits, maybe 128, using something like MD5). Peter. ";-1;0 "From: jsm1@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Jason S. MacDonald) Subject: Re: LC Ram Upgrade will be SLOW! Nntp-Posting-Host: crux1.cit.cornell.edu Reply-To: jsm1@cornell.edu Organization: Ono-Sendai Corporation Lines: 35 douce@tfsquad.mn.org (Andrew Geweke) writes: > I cannot speak for Dale. But I am quite sure that the Macintosh >uses the full 16-bit or 32-bit data path to its full advantage. That is, >it is running as fast with two or four 30-pin SIMMs as it would with one >72-pin SIMM. Now, it may be that longword accesses (assuming a 32-bit >data path here) get the first byte from the first SIMM, the second byte >from the second, and so on. This would mean that each longword of memory >is actually split among four SIMMs, one for each byte. On the other hand, >it could be that the SIMMs are interleaved by word or longword (not just >by byte), or they could be successive in memory, and the memory >controller deals with the eight-bit data path that each one has. I >suspect, though, that they are interleaved to some extent so that 32 bits >can be read or written at once. This would indicate a byte-level >interleave. > I am NOT confusing this with the new machines' longword >interleave with two 72-pin SIMMs of the same sort, although that seems to >be the same sort of idea. There, you get an essential 64-bit data path ro >(excuse me, to) RAM instead of just a 32-bit one. Yes, the CPU can't >handle it, but when writing to successive addresses it speeds something >up. > So, Dale, am I right? 30-pin SIMMs are interleaved by bytes, >allowing the full data bus? Or, as is common with Usenet and me in >particular, am I as clueless as everyone else? What conclusion can be drawn from this? I'm trying to figure out what kind of memory configuration for the LC III (32-bit datapath) would be fastest. Any ideas? Thanks, Jason MacDonald -- - Jason Scott MacDonald - jsm1@cornell.edu - jsm1@crux3.cit.cornell.edu ""Technology sufficiently advanced is ____ indistinguishable from magic."" \ / ""Cats exist so that we -- Arthur C. Clarke \/ may caress the lion."" ";-1;0 "From: carl_f_hoffman@cup.portal.com Subject: 1993 Infiniti G20 Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 26 I am thinking about getting an Infiniti G20. In consumer reports it is ranked high in many catagories including highest in reliability index for compact cars. Mitsubushi Galant was second followed by Honda Accord). A couple of things though: 1) In looking around I have yet to see anyone driving this car. I see lots of Honda's and Toyota's. 2) There is a special deal where I can get an Infinity G20, fully loaded, at dealer cost (I have check this out and the numbers match up). They are doing this because they are releasing and update mid-1993 version (includes dual air-bags) and want to get rid of their old 1993's. I guess my question is: Is this a good deal? Also, Can anyone give me any feedback on Infiniti? Thanks, Carl Hoffman P.S. The other cars that I have test driven and which are in the running are: Mitsubishi Galant, Honda Accord, and Toyota Camary ";-1;0 "From: jmichael@vnet.IBM.COM Subject: Re: A to D hardware for a PC Article-I.D.: almaden.19930406.072523.946 Lines: 7 If you can find a copy of ""8088 Assembler Language Programming: The IBM PC"" by Willen and Krantz, 2nd ed. pub. by Sams, there is a discussion of the game control adapter, monostable multivibrators, and conversion to other uses, as well as an assembler program. If you need greater accuracy, there is no reason you couldn't modify the approach to suit your needs. Jim ";11;1 "From: jennise@opus.dgi.com (Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals) Subject: Looking for a little research help [ addendum] Organization: Dynamic Graphics Inc. Lines: 10 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: opus.dgi.com Sorry but I forgot this ps. Right now my sight is getting news about two weeks behind so it's kind of necessary (to me) that any responses be sent to me directly. Thanks a lot Jennise jennise@dgi.com ";-1;0 "From: cza@troy.cc.bellcore.com (C. Akgun) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Nntp-Posting-Host: troy.cc.bellcore.com Organization: BCR, NJ-USA Lines: 126 In article msg7038@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michalis Syrimis) writes: [...} >>any concentration/labor camp in Turkey (around 1974 or >>later) for Cypriot Greeks (or any Greeks) rather than talking >>nonsense like above, I will be glad to read what they got. > >How can you be in a position to know about any kind of concentration camps >Akgun? Living through those days at the age of 20 and following the internal and external news gives me that knowledge and position. In 1974, Turkey had a democratic goverment and free press at that time. Forget about internal news agencies, I haven't heard anything from any international source about any concentration camps with Greek Cypriot prisoners in Turkey. However, I heard Adana POW camp. It was not secret and well recognized POW camp. > >As for all the registered prisoners to the Red Cross having returned to >their homes, this is your version of the story. There are cases in which >prisoners who were registered, some of them even sent messages to their >relatives, were not released. These are undeniable facts. I see, They vanished in Turkish labor camps. Turks have decided to acknowledge their existence first but later changed their minds releasing them. Is that it? What do you think happened to them? I thought that MIA's are only the subject of Rambo and Chuck Noris movies. Seems that I am wrong. > >As for their treatment being according to what convention...? >Okay we believe you. You don't need to belive me. Turkiye was never a clandestine state in its history, It has been a respected and continuous member of UN since the inception of UN. No body ever questioned the UN membership of Turkey because of what had happened in 1974a and after. Only a short lived arms embargo was imposed unilaterally by USA to satisfy the internal Greek loby. I know what you would say next. Let me answer it before wasting anytime. Yes! UN had a few condemning resolutions against Turkey because of handling the Cyprus problem, especially after the 1980 coup. Well, US and Israel had a few too. What can I say? I am sure during Athens Junta duruing 1960-74, Greeks had their own share too. >>closed matter today between Turkish Cypriots/Turks/Greeks/Greek >>Cypriots. There is no more any official demand from Greek >>Cypriots about any missing Greek Cypriots. > >Where have you heard that there is no official demand regarding the >missing persons? Have you looked at the latest UN agenda for Cyprus talks mediated by Gali? There was no issue whatsoever about any missing people among the negotiating parties. was there? I heard many times from Denktas interviews by Turkish and International press. He keeps saying that ""This was no longer an issue for peace talks."" Also, you don't want me fish for the Greek Cypriot politician's words (that Argic had posted zillion times) describing missing peoples as a Greek-Cypriot myth. Seems that there is a different opinions among Greek-Cypriots as well about missing people in Turkish custody. [..] >Your claim that the majority of the missing persons were infact killed >in the period between the coup d'eta and the invasion, 5 days, is simply >not true. All the cases of missing persons I know, and I know quite a >few, are cases of people who were either in the reserve forces and were lost >somewhere in the battlefield, or were civilians who were taken prisoners >in their villages by the turkish army. I am not claiming anything. I just told you what was given to Greek Cypriots as an answer by Turkish Goverment/Turkish Cypriots when they wanted to locate some of their own between July 15 and the final cease-fire in late August, 1974. This answer seems to satisfy the international community, the UN, and the Vasilu Goverment (since he did not make it an issue for the peace talks). Also, I am not aware of any UN condemnation against Turkey about any missing Greek-Cypriot. Are you? BTW, do you mean that Nicos Sampson had a bloodless coup d'eta and nobody got hurt in those events? > >As of the few photos which you refer to, there are more than a few. There are >photos not only of greek cypriot soldiers being ""rounded up"", but also others >in the prison camp in Turkey. Like I said before. There is even a different opinion among Greek-Cypriots for this myth. The officers in Turkish Army who governed the Adana POW camp must be hell of clever dudes to cover up their tracks 8-). I hope Turkish Army does't have same type of morons for the security of Turkiye. However, this must a good subject for a movie script. One should inform Oliver Stone about this. > >> Of course, not. The justice was served well. If and when the Bosnian >>pleas are answered, who's going to dare to ask what happens to those >>masterminds behind the ethnic cleansing idea. They are known today >>(as EOKA-B masterminds were known in 1974) to everybody and are doing >>it openly even giving TV interviews. It may take same time as it was >>for the EOKA-B case, however, the justice will be served again. > >Akgun, comparing the actions of the Serbians in Bosnian with the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >actions of ^^^^^^^^^^^ >Turkey in Cyprus is not something I would do if I were a Turk. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I thought >that the Serbians were the savages, the inhumane beasts etc etc. > >>C. Akgun > >Michalis Syrimis > If this is what you understood from the paragraph above, you better let your computer system administrator check the character conversion tables in your system. If yours are OK, I should inform mine 8-). C. Akgun ";-1;0 "From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) Subject: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NHL expansion) In-Reply-To: tervio@katk.Helsinki.FI's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 09:39:37 GMT Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 120 In tervio@katk.Helsinki.FI writes: > Now what if the two teams were merged (this has been proposed in Tampere > with Ilves ( =Lynx) and Tappara ( =Axe). The fans wouldn't take it ! > They rather see their teams out of the playoffs most of the time or even > relegated than merged. It's not that difficult to understand, it's just > like here in Helsinki. You *grow up* being either a Jokerit- or HIFK -fan. > The other team is the last team in the world you would support. I'm not > talking about 'hate' but about extremely deeply rooted rivalry. ""Deeply rooted rivalry?"" Ahem, Jokerit have been around since 1967 and joined the top flight only in the early '70s. Helsingfors IFK have been around since 1897 but fans only started taking hockey seriously in the 1960s so I think you're exagerating here. > However, it's been proved that both fan groups can cheer the same team > - that's ""the Finnish national team"". Maybe that's how you could set up a > huge franchise in Finland. No one has ever said that the team must be > called after one city or play all its games on one arena. Just one Team > Finland and Team Sweden in the NHL just wouldn't make any sense - we have > way more talent than 1/24th of the total of North American talent. After a > couple of seasons you would never see the cup going anywhere outside the > Nordic (presuming that our teams would have the advantage in drafting > local talent, as prooposed). That's a rather bold claim, in the light of how successful the Canadian & American Olympic teams have been . . . and they've had to play according to our set of rules and on international ice. The 1992 Olympic teams contained about as much talent as your average expansion team. Canada had Eric Lindros, Sean Burke, Joe Juneau and Chris Kontos. Another four or five have been deep subs in the NHL. As for the Yanks, Keith Tkachuk, Scott Lachance, Bret Hedican, Shawn McEachern, Steve Heintze, Ted Donato, Joe Sacco and Bill Guerin have been 3rd/4th line players in the NHL, while Robb Stauber has done well for the Kings in goal. Nothing more. In fact, I'm sure that an All-Star team assembled from the best Finnish League teams would do no better in the NHL than Hartford or Tampa Bay currently are doing. --- But what happens if _all_ top-class Finnish & Swedish players gradually end up with Helsinki & Stockholm as the North American-based ones gradually retire and no Canadian/American team is allowed to draft new players from Scandinavia? Here is what THE HOCKEY NEWS scouts think of our NHL-based players: (28-30=superstar) (23-27=star) (18-22=NHL regular+) (13-17=NHL regular) ( 8-12=role player) FINLAND: D-Jyrki Lumme.......20 D-Teppo Numminen....20 D-Peter Ahola.......13 C-Jari Kurri........25 C-Christian Ruuttu..16 R-Teemu Selanne.....27 L-Esa Tikkanen......20 (Obviously, Selanne's ratings would be higher today than they were in January) SWEDEN: D-Ulf Samuelsson....21 D-Fredrik Olausson..20 D-Niklas Lidstrom...18 D-Calle Johansson...18 D-Kjell Samuelsson..17 D-Tommy Sjodin......13 D-Tommy Albelin......7 C-Mats Sundin.......26 C-Thomas Steen......18 R-Thomas Sandstrom..22 R-Ulf Dahlen........18 R-Michael Nylander..13 L-Per-Erik Eklund...18 L-Johan Garpenlov...16 L-Mikael Andersson..15 L-Jan Erixon........14 This would be interesting. Clearly, Finland's top five players (Winnipeg's Selanne & Numminen, Vancouver's Lumme, Los Angeles' Jari Kurri and New York's Tikkanen) are right up there with any five-man unit Pittsburgh & co. have. But I have my doubts about the home-based Finnish players - the national team did well in the Canada Cup and World Championships largely due to the efforts of Markus Ketterer (the goalie), 3-4 or the players listed above and luck. There's presumably a lot of decent players in Finland that wouldn't be superstars at the highest level but still valuable role players, however. My guess would be that the Finnish Canada Cup team would be a .500 team in the NHL. --- Sweden is easier to judge because they have more players in North America. Their points total (16 players) is 274 - seven more than Ottawa's 22 top players combined! If we estimate there are six more NHL regulars back home in Sweden, an all-Swedish team would assemble about 350-360 skill points. Deducting some points from Pittsburgh, NY Rangers and other teams that rely on Swedish players, the Swedish team would finish in sixth place - about as high as Boston, Vancouver, Calgary and Montreal on paper! So, the ""dynasty"" talk isn't completely unfounded here. An all-Finnish/all-Swedish team might have an advantage because the players would be playing at home half of the time, won't have to adapt to a foreign country and a foreign language, and presumably play the wide-open European variant of hockey rather than have to learn the North American checking game. However, if free agency becomes a factor the top Scandinavian players still might end up playing for large-market teams after a couple of years the same way Edmonton's ""dynasty"" crumbled in the late '80s. Some fringe players likely will be drafted by other NHL teams as having an exclusive talent pool might be a bit unfair after all. I'd settle for a compromise, prohibit all European teams from signing a North American during the first two rounds but allow them to keep their top two players. After this, the amateur draft should be open to anyone. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > J O O J O O J O K E R I T ! ! ! Finland over Czech in the Final > B R U I N P O W E R ! ! ! Bruins over Blackhawks in 6 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- MARCU$ ";-1;0 "From: str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader) Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson Organization: Sun Lines: 6 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: maredsous In article <1993Apr5.173500.26383@ra.msstate.edu> js1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Jiann-ming Su) writes: %I say buy out Henderson's contract and let him go bag groceries. Next %season, you'll be able to sign him for nothing. That goes for any bitching %ball player. Stay in school. You have a lot to learn. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Don't more innocents die without the death penalty? From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) Distribution: world,local Organization: University of Arizona Nntp-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 21 In article , chrisb@tafe.sa.edu.au (Chris BELL) writes... > killing is wrong > if you kill we will punish you > our punishment will be to kill you. > >Seems to be lacking in consistency. Not any more so than holding people against their will is wrong if you hold people against their will we will punish you our punishment will be to hold you against your will Is there any punishment which isn't something which, if done by a private person to another private person for no apparent reason, would lead to punishment? (Fines, I suppose.) Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 ";-1;0 "From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 29 waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes: > ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > > > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the > > Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more > > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). > > Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's > ""qualifications"" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany, > show it. If you don't, shut up. Simple as that. > > > I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII > > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any > > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is > > not appreciated. > > ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were > tortured. We ALL suffered. Second, the name-calling was directed against > YOU, not civil-libertarians in general. Your name-dropping of a fancy > sounding political term is yet another attempt to ""cite qualifications"" > in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument. Go > back to the minors, junior. All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could write. ";-1;0 "From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name Organization: Indiana University Lines: 42 In article munns@cae.wisc.edu (Scott Munns) writes: >I am doing a dormitory bible ""discussion"" with my Christian roommate and >in Jesus' name, what about the people before Jesus? They prayed to God >and he listened then, in spite of their sins. Why can't it be the same >way now?"" > [insert huge deletion of all following material since it had little relevance to what I've found] OK. The people before Jesus didn't have Jesus, right (so far, I've announced that space is a vacuum)? The people who lived during the time Jesus lived (especially disciples) were taught this: ""I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."" (John 14:12-14) So, Jesus asked them to pray for things in his name. Since that time, the request has been the same, not to ask for intercession from other beings, but from Jesus. Remember that ""there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all men--the testimony given in its proper time."" (1 Timothy 2:5-6. Also, ""there have been many of those priests [talking about priests among the Hebrews], since death prevented them from continuing in office; but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them."" (Hebrews 7:23-25). Hebrews is also full of areas talking about Jesus being our mediator rather than any other man. Joe Fisher [""The people before Jesus didn't have Jesus, right"" may not be as obvious as you think. In what sense to you mean didn't have? Christian thought has generally said that they had Jesus in the sense that they were saved by his death. God is not bound by our chronology. So in some real spiritual sense they did ""have Jesus"". Even in terms of knowledge, while they surely didn't have the explicit knowledge that we have, Christians have normally seen messianic prophecy as knowledge of Jesus, even if knowledge from afar. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: University of Oulu, Finland Lines: 135 Jason Smith (jasons@atlastele.com) wrote: : [ The discussion begins: why does the universe exist at all? ] : One of the Laws of Nature, specifying cause and effect seems to dictate : (at least to this layman's mind) there must be a causal event. No : reasonable alternative exists. I would argue that causality is actually a property of spacetime; causes precede their effects. But if you claim that there must be an answer to ""how"" did the universe (our spacetime) emerge from ""nothing"", science has some good candidates for an answer. I have always wondered why Christians use the ""There are questions science (or atheism) cannot answer"" argument; I hope this is the appropriate group to ask this question. The most popular question is the question of origins. Why does the universe exist, or anything, for that matter? I think this question should actually be split into two parts, namely 1) Why is there existence? Why anything exists? and 2) How did the universe emerge from nothing? It is clear science has nothing to say about the first question. However, is it a meaningful question, after all? I would say it isn't. Consider the following: A die-hard skeptic being (be it human or whatever) attempts to doubt one's very existence. Since it is so easy to doubt everything else - I cannot be _sure_ the world exists, it may be my mind fooling me - can I ever be sure I exist? However, it is only possible to exist or not to exist. (Someone insert an appropriate Shakespeare quote here ;-) ) A being that does not exist cannot doubt one's existence. A being that does exist can doubt one's existence, but this would be pointless - the being would exist anyway. Let us return to the original question: why? A being that does not exist does not need any reasons for its non-existence. This being is not _sure_ whether anything else exists but his mind, but let us assume that the world exists independent of the mind (the objectivity postulate). The question ""why anything exists"" can be countered by demanding answer to a question ""why there is nothing in nothingness, or in non-existence"". Actually, both questions turn out to be devoid of meaning. Things that exist do, and things that don't exist don't exist. Tautology at its best. I seriously doubt God could have an answer to this question. Some Christians I have talked to have said that actually, God is Himself the existence. However, I see several problems with this answer. First, it inevitably leads to the conclusion that God is actually _all_ existence, good and evil, devils and angels, us and them. This is pantheism, not Christianity. Another answer is that God is the _source_ of all existence. This sounds much better, but I am tempted to ask: Does God Himself exist, then? If God is the source of His own existence, it can only mean that He has, in terms of human time, always existed. But this is not the same as the source of all existence. This argument sounds like God does not exist, but meta-exists, and from His meta-existent perspective, He created existence. I think this is actually a nonsolution, a mere twist of words. The best answer I have heard is that human reasoning is incapable of understanding such questions. Being an atheist myself, I do not accept such answers, since I do not have any other methods. The second question: How did the universe emerge from nothing? belongs to the domain of science, and I, for one, do not doubt the question can be answered by its methods. Many cosmologists have suggested that it is entirely possible for universes to emerge from vacuum (this possibility has been suggested in a recent Hawking biography; see also Lizhi & Shuxian: Creation of the Universe, World Scientific, 1989). However, I think the sci groups are more appropriate for discussions like this. : As far as I can tell, the very laws of nature demand a ""why"". That isn't : true of something outside of nature (i.e., *super*natural). This is not true. Science is a collection of models telling us ""how"", not why, something happens. I cannot see any good reason why the ""why"" questions would be bound only to natural things, assuming that the supernatural domain exists. If supernatural beings exist, it is as appropriate to ask why they do so as it is to ask why we exist. : I believe the ""genetic code"" will be entirely deciphered in our lifetimes, : but we will not see man convert entirely inert material into self sustaining, : reproducing life, *ever*. (I've never been much of a prophet, though. I : can't even *picture* New York in my mind 8^] ). I don't believe *any* : technology would be able to produce that necessary *spark* of life, despite : having all of the parts available. Just my opinion. This opinion is also called vitalism; namely, that living systems are somehow _fundamentally_ different from inanimate systems. Do Christians in general adopt this position? What would happen when scientists announce they have created primitive life (say, small bacteria) in a lab? There is a problem with your prophecy: artificial life has been created, although not yet in a chemical form. Computer simulations of evolution contain systems that are as much alive as any bacterium, although their code is electronic, as well as their metabolism. See a recent book Steven Levy: Artificial life - The Quest for a New Creation. Jonathan Cape, London 1992. Artificial chemical life is just around the corner - after all, no spark of life has been found to be necessary; living systems do not violate any physical laws as we know them. : You don't mind if a few of us send up a prayer on your behalf during your : research, do you? After all, if we of Christ are deluding ourselves, you : really have nothing to worry about, eh? Exactly. This is why I think atheists should _not_ post any evangelical atheist arguments to soc.religion groups, since people who seek to find peace in religions must be allowed to gather together. I would normally have asked these questions in alt.atheism or talk.religion.misc, but it seems many Christians do not read these groups. Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. ";-1;0 "From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Lines: 15 In Greg Hennessy writes: >In article <1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >#The better question should be. >#Why not transfer O&M of all birds to a separate agency with continous funding >#to support these kind of ongoing science missions. > >Since we don't have the money to keep them going now, how will >changing them to a seperate agency help anything? > How about transferring control to a non-profit organisation that is able to accept donations to keep craft operational. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Nicholls ... : Vidi nicho@vnet.ibm.com or : Vici nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk : Veni ";-1;0 "From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) Subject: Re: Who should be spied on... Keywords: hypocritical pig Nntp-Posting-Host: qso.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 49 In article anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: >>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >> >>>In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: >>>>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents >>>>of those files. >>>>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: >>>>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? >> >>>ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including >>>the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer >>>the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members >>>in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps? >> >>Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war >>against Israel. That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations. That is >>the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals >>only a few years ago. >> > >The ADC is an organization of Arab-*AMERICANS*. > >Let me see...you're saying that ""most if not all"" Arab-AMERICANS should be >spied on? You're also saying that ""most if not all"" Arab-AMERICANS >should be views as a national security threat to Israel (and the US, >as you gratuitously imply in your reference to the WTC bombing, in >which no Arab-AMERICANS were involved)? By inference, can we assume >that you think that anyone of Arab lineage anywhere in the world poses >a threat to Israel and, therefore, should be spied on? Like it or not, Edward, Anwar has a very good, valid point. Obviously, in presenting it, he (quite legitimately and deliberately) takes a point of view to an extreme which might not have been what you intended, but that is one of the best ways to demonstrate a ""slippery slope"" type of argument, which I believe was his aim. I very frankly believe that the ADL will be proved innocent in this case. I doubt there's enough evidence to weigh against them even in a civil court, where preponderance of the evidence, not evidence beyond any reasonable doubt, is the standard for ""winning"" such a case. That, however, does not prevent me from seeing the merit in Anwar's point. Rest deleted. -- ""How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee."" -Tim Rice,""Chess"" Eric S. Perlman Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder ";15;1 "From: wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Keywords: MSG, Glu Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 5 Nntp-Posting-Host: jeeves.ucsd.edu I have heard that epileptic patients go into seizures if they eat anything with MSG added. This may have something to do with the excitotoxicity of neurons. -fm ";-1;0 "From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article , mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes: |> Don't forget that it was the French Resistance to the |> Nazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the |> hostile occupiers in WWII. Actually, this is incorrect. French resistance may have played some part in hindering the German war effort, however the crucial role was supplied on D-Day. |> Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the |> Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the |> only option they see as viable. (Don't forget that it worked in driving |> out the US) Interesting statement. Especially when you consider that Lebanon had claimed to have made progress in the peace talks, as well as Israel. Of course, one of the prime obstacles to Israel's complete withdrawal is the lack of governmental control that can be applied to the area as well as the large presence of Syrian forces which have not been asked to withdraw as well. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | ";-1;0 "From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr19.155551.227@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes: >In article mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes: >> >>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don't even need to tell people the >>technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first >>time they try to go round a corner. Some will, and others will steer with their tuchuses. I don't know how much the teaching of countersteering in the beginner course really helps the tuchus steerers. I was one, I guess that I always steered a bicycle that way, and I only got the hang of countersteering in normal riding *after* the course. I could do the countersteering swerves in the course no problem, but I only started using it in my normal riding when I decided that my turning at speed (off-ramps and the like) was a lot more difficult that it should have been. I knew how it works (although that's currently up for debate) definitely knew *that* it works, as I could do it in swerves, but only figured it out later in my normal riding. Just a data point. I think that it's not a bad idea to bring the idea up, but it's best to let everyone tuchus-steer for the first lesson or two, so they can learn to shift gears before they have to worry about proper handlebar technique. >countersteering. In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors >claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike >turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight >around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite >direction. (I admit I've never actually seen this.) I have. In our beginner course we had passenger training. Sometime during the lesson the instructor would hop on the back of the bike, and the student would take him for a ride. If the student did not give the instructor the ""you are a sack of potatoes"" passenger speech, the instructor would steer the bike and make a general nuisance of himself. It was amusing to watch, I'm just happy that it didn't happen to me. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada ";7;1 "From: brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) Subject: Constitutionality of 18 U.S.C 922(o) Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc. Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer. Distribution: usa Lines: 28 You know, I was reading 18 U.S.C. 922 and something just did not make sence and I was wondering if someone could help me out. Say U.S.C. 922 : (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun. Well I got to looking in my law dictionary and I found that a ""person"" might also be an artificial entity that is created by government and has no rights under the federal constitution. So, what I don't understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on an individual. So someone tell me how my government can tell me what I can or cannot possess. Just passing a law does not make it LAW. Everyone knows that laws are constitional until it goes to court. So, has it ever gone to court, not just your run of the mill ""Ok I had it I am guilty, put me in jail"" Has anyone ever claimed that they had a right to possess and was told by the Supreme Court that they didn't have that right? -- Brian Sheets _ /| ""TRUCK?! What truck?"" Support Engineer \`o_O' Atlas Telecom Inc. ( ) -Raiders of the Lost Ark brians@atlastele.com U ";-1;0 "From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: The Dayton Gun ""Buy Back"" (Re: Boston Gun Buy Back) Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Lines: 11 According to WNCI 97.9 FM radio this morning, Dayton, Ohio is operating a gun ""buy back"". They are giving $50 for every functional gun turned in. They ran out of money in one day, and are now passing out $50 vouchers of some sort. They are looking for more funds to keep operating. Another media-event brought to you by HCI. Is there something similar pro-gun people can do ? For example, pay $100 to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm ? Sounds a bit tacky, but hey, whatever works. -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com ";3;1 "From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: WINCO Lines: 45 In article jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.165139.6240@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >>> I really don't want to waste time in >>> here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we >>> can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! >> >> Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am >>not eager to make a fool of myself. > >Oh, you foolish person. I do know what the fuck I'm talking about >and will gladly demonstrate for such ignorants as yourself if you >wish. > >The legalization of drugs will provide few if any of the benefits >so highly taunted by its proponents: safer, cheaper drugs along >with revenues from taxes on those drugs; reduced crime and reduced >organized crime specifically; etc, etc Ahhh, the classic Truth By Blatant Assertion technique. Too bad it's so demonstrably false. Take a look at Great Britain sometime for a nice history on drug criminalization. The evidence there shows that during periods of time when drugs (such as heroin) were illegal, crime went up and people did die from bad drugs. During times when drugs were legalized, those trends were reversed. > >If you would like to prove how clueless you are, we can get into >why - again a lot of wasted posts that I don't think this group >was intended for and something easily solved by you doing a little >research. Now this is a great example of an ironclad proof. Gosh, I'm convinced. ( :-} for the humor impaired). First, assert something for which you have no evidence, then dodge requests for proof by claiming to know what this group was intended for. As to research, if you'd done any at all, you'd realize that there is plenty of reason to believe that legalizing drugs will have many benefits to society. There are some plausible arguments against it, too, but they aren't enough to convince me that criminalization of drugs is the answer. I'm willing to be convinced I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt the likes of you can do it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Dale Cook ""Any town having more churches than bars has a serious social problem."" ---Edward Abbey The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";18;1 "X-Mailer: TMail version 1.17R From: ""D. C. Sessions"" Organization: Nobody but me -- really Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Distribution: world Lines: 61 In <1993Apr16.130037.18830@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) wrote: # In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: # |> In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: # |> > # |> >It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like # |> >to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer # |> >in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... # |> >SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of # |> >the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not # |> >know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often # |> >suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are # |> >supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and # |> >ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps # |> >for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured # |> >by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages # |> >of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. # |> # |> This a ""tried and true"" method utilized by guerilla and terrorists groups: # |> to conduct operations in the midst of the local populace, thus forcing the # |> opposing ""state"" to possible harm innocent civilians in their search or, # |> in order to avoid the deaths of civilians, abandon the search. Certainly the # |> people who use the population for cover are *also* to blaim for dragging the # |> innocent civilians into harm's way. # |> # |> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, Israel # |> should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with attacking # |> another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the other respects # |> innocent lives? # # Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are using # civilians for cover, are they not killing SOLDIERS in THEIR country? If the # buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why is it # further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why not just # kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there is more to # the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... ""GETTING BACK"" # ...""GETTING EVEN"". It doesn't make sense to shell the villages. The least # it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli government for the lives of # civilians. Please clarify your standards for rules of engagement. As I understand it, Israelis are at all times and under all circumstances fair targets. Their opponents are legitimate targets only when Mirandized, or some such? I'm sure that this makes perfect sense if you grant *a*priori* that Israelis are the Black Hats, and that therefore killing them is automatically a Good Thing (Go Hezbollah!). The corollary is that the Hezbollah are the White Hats, and that whatever they do is a Good Thing, and the Israelis only prove themselves to be Bad Guys by attacking them. This sounds suspiciously like a hockey fan I know, who cheers when one of the players on His Team uses his stick to permanently rearrange an opponent's face, and curses the ref for penalizing His Side. Of course, when it's different when the roles are reversed. --- D. C. Sessions Speaking for myself --- --- Note new network address: dcs@witsend.tnet.com --- --- Author (and everything else!) of TMail (DOS mail/news shell) --- ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: migraine and exercise Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20 In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: >I have two questions. Is there any obvious connection between the >flushed appearance and the migraine? Was I foolish to play through >the migraine (aside from the visual disturbance affecting my play)? >I just prefer to ignore it when possible. > The flushing is due to vascular dilation, part of a migraine attack. Some people event get puffy and swollen. As long as you are careful you can see well enough to avoid getting hit in the face or eye by the ball, migraine will not hurt your health. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: ld231782@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Nntp-Posting-Host: dolores.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 123 I'm quite astonished, shocked, and appalled at this serious frontal assault on emerging American freedoms. The Clinton administration nor any other government agency has any legitimate role whatsoever in regulating cryptography. To do so is tantamount to regulating `acceptable' speech, and is blatantly unconstitutional. Perhaps we should rename this year `1984' in honor of such an illustrious proposal. Let the Crappy Chip live in infamy, and the adminstration receive great shame and discredit for this bizarre misadventure. I am outraged that my tax money is being used to develop technology to restrict my freedoms far beyond reasonable measures. The U.S. government will have my full uncooperation and disobedience on any serious threat to my liberties such as this, and I call on everyone with an interest in a sensible government to resist and defy this proposal. The administration does not seem to understand that they are merely a subservient instrument to implement the will of the public, and hence anyone involved in this proposal in this respect is wholly negligent and remiss in performing their lawful duty. >While encryption >technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the >unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used >by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. It seems to me that U.S. Diplomatic communications should be tappable by the U.N. whenever any countries produce a warrant to the U.N. In fact, I think we should stop paying the NSA billions of dollars a year to produce unbreakable codes for this reason. These actions violate the sovereignity of international law. (I hope Mr. Clinton is shrewd enough to recognize my sarcasm and satire here. But if he isn't, it's a modest and reasonable proposal, so he should find merit with it nevertheless.) Cryptography is neutral technology. If everybody has strong cryptography (including policemen, bureacrats, businessmen, housewives, thugs and hoodlums), we have a sustainable equilibrium. Anything less is an unworkable anti-egaltarian arrangement, intrinsically antithetical to American freedoms, and guaranteed to collapse under its own weight of inherent impracticality. We don't need to compromise on issues of freedom. >For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our >private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the >tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of >protecting Americans. For too long our government has demonstrated itself to be increasingly hostile and a serious obstacle to economic vitality and protecting Americans. >Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important >role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act >quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding >its use. The Administration is committed to policies that >protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting >them from those who break the law. It is not possible for the Federal Government to ``act quickly'' or develop ``consistent, comprehensive policies'' PERIOD. And even if by some grandiose miracle such a thing were possible, it would only be an efficient way to deprive American citizens of fundamental and inalienable rights. The administration has to be committed to leaving private industries alone, esp. on this issue. The government has no legitimate role in regulating the content of communications. Law enforcement agencies must be prepared to forfeit their surveillance bludgeon; they are soon and inevitably to be disarmed of it. >Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological > solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be > willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more > powerful encryption devices? No such laws can be constitutionally sound, and this is equivalent to a veiled threat, which I don't appreciate. This kind of extortion tends to agitate me and others into radicalism. I will trade threats for threats, and violation for violation. > The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption > threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, > we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have > effectively done); If the administration did say this, it would find itself impeached for reckless and outrageous disregard of essential, established, entrenched, and explicit constitutional privacy guarantees. The administration would have no legal standing whatsoever; such an action would be egregiously illegal and criminal, and wholly untolerated and disregarded by vast segments of the population. > nor is the U.S. saying that ""every > American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an > unbreakable commercial encryption product."" The U.S., comprised of a vast majority of people fanatically committed to preserving their privacy in the face of an increasingly totalitarian government, is saying just that. Take your chips and give them to NSA employees as Christmas bonuses. We can run any algorithm on our computers we damn well please, and we will make any chips we please, and we will send any bit pattern over our data highways we please. And if you try to stop us, you will be gradually or abruptly dissolved into nothingness. [privacy vs. law enforcement] > There is a > false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is > an ""either-or"" proposition. This is an outright Dingaling Denning lie. The two aims of privacy and surveillance are intrinsically and fundamentally incompatible, and you have to work for the NSA to think otherwise. Americans are about to discover ways, through the use of technology, to preserve their inalienable but forgotten freedoms that have slowly been eroded away by an increasingly distant and unresponsive and *unrepresentative* government. -- ld231782@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU ";-1;0 "From: wow@cup.portal.com (wallace otis waggoner) Subject: 2 SMC 270E ARCNET cars for sale $50ea. Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 4 I have 2 new SMC 270E ARCNET cards for sale . They are brand new. $50 each wow@cup.portal.com Wally Waggoner ";-1;0 "From: joshuaf@yang.earlham.edu Subject: TIFF -> Anything?! Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana Lines: 10 Are there any TIFF to anything programs out there for the IBM? Our scanner works into TIFF, and I can view it on CSHOW 8.1, but all of my other programs read errors. Are there any basic Tiff to JPEG, GIF, PCX, BMP, etc...? Thanks for the time...Email or post acceptable. Joshuaf ""That Geiger scan looks like dookie!"" ""I know it's a TIFF!!!!"" ";-1;0 "From: mike@starburst.umd.edu (Michael F. Santangelo) Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: starburst.umd.edu dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) writes: ...text of options ""A"" and ""B"" deleted... >Option C - Single Core Launch Station. >This is the JSC lead option. Basically, you take a 23 ft diameter >cylinder that's 92 ft long, slap 3 Space Shuttle Main Engines on >the backside, put a nose cone on the top, attached it to a >regular shuttle external tank and a regular set of solid rocket >motors, and launch the can. Some key features are: > - Complete end-to-end ground integration and checkout > - 4 tangentially mounted fixed solar panels > - body mounted radiators (which adds protection against > micrometeroid & orbital debris) > - 2 centerline docking ports (one on each end) > - 7 berthing ports > - a single pressurized volume, approximately 26,000 cubic feet > (twice the volume of skylab). > - 7 floors, center passageway between floors > - 10 kW of housekeeping power Only 10KW? > - graceful degradation with failures (8 power channels, 4 thermal > loops, dual environmental control & life support system) > - increased crew time for utilization > - 1 micro-g thru out the core module Ha! ""North America Modular SPACE STATION construction"" :-) Same apprach, same reasoning: ""construction occurs under assembly line conditions, no random weather problems interupting site-work on your home - better quality control"" -- sounds like first ""-"" point above :-) Somehow I have a strange attraction for this idea (living in a modular home maybe has altered my mind). The only thing that scares me is the part about simply strapping 3 SSME's and a nosecone on it and ""just launching it."" I have this vision of something going terribly wrong with the launch resulting in the complete loss of the new modular space station (not just a peice of it as would be the case with staged in-orbit construction). -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Michael F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl] ";-1;0 "From: khettry@r1w2.pub.utk.edu (23064RFL) Subject: Testing!!! Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center Just Testing!! Distribution: usa Lines: 1 ";-1;0 "From: steinark@edb.tih.no (Steinar Kleven) Subject: Re: Windows Help Nntp-Posting-Host: beta.edb.tih.no Organization: Trondheim College of Engineering X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 38 Mario Veraart (mveraart@fel.tno.nl) wrote: : umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Qing Yin) writes: : >Hi, it's an *easy* question for you Windows gurus. I'd appreciate any help. : >We need to write an on-line help for our application. We don't have : >Windows Software Developer's Toolkit (yet :-) ). Since we just want to build : >a .HLP file around Windows' help engine, I hope it won't be that complicated? : >Anyway, could someone kindly give me some hints of how to build such an : >on-line help, if it does not take 100 pages to explain? Or if it is complicated, : >would you help to point out what I would need to do it? : >-- : >Vincent Q. Yin : >umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca : Hi, : If you have developed your own windows application you must have a : SDK of some sort that contains the HC.EXE or HC31.EXE file to : compile and generate .HLP files out of .RTF files. ****-------> No, U can download what??.zip from ftp.cica.indiana.edu This package from MS is all U need to buid (simple?) .HLP files from Rich Text Format Files (.RTF). This package also contains .DOT tamplates for MS Word4Win. : RTF files are generated by a wordprocessor like Word for Dos or W4W. : If this is not the solution be more specific about your application. : Mario : -- : Mario Veraart TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory : email: rioj7@fel.tno.nl The Hague The Netherlands : ""If all else fails, show pretty pictures and animated videos, : and don't talk about performance"", David Bailey ";-1;0 "From: pallis@server.uwindsor.ca (PALLIS DIMITRIOS ) Subject: Re: Shopping for a new [NEC?] monitor Lines: 9 well people, I can only recomend the non-flat-screen, no-hype, no-nonsense NEC 3DS that I have, and PLUS, it has the ADVANTAGE of NOT having one of those new flat screen tubes which are oversensitive and fragile and break often! this is a 15'' heavy-duty rugged set for those who insist on well-proven reliable technologies! jim ";5;1 "From: hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) Subject: Re: How does it really work? (was Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 41 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu Marc VanHeyningen writes: >The main thing I just don't get is whether this chip implements >symmetric or asymmetric cryptographic techniques. Anybody know? I don't know, but I'm as willing to speculate as anyone. Several people have suggested that the chips use public-key cryptography. Another possibility is to use Diffie-Hellman key exchange, or some other algorithm which has a similar effect. DH allows both ends to agree on a session key which they use with symmetric cryptography (something like DES) for the encryption. How could the ""back door"" keys work in this system? I can see a few possibilities. One is that the DH-like algorithm has the property that the session key can be deduced by an eavesdropper who knows the back door keys for one (or possibly both) communicants. Perhaps the random numbers used in the DH are seeded by the back door key, or some such. Another possibility, as was suggested here earlier, is that the chips simply broadcast the session key, encrypted with the chip's own internal secret key. In this system the back door keys are secret keys usable for decrypting this session key broadcast. Actually the chip's secret key doesn't need to be a public key in this usage, but can be identical to the secret back-door key. (This proposal seems most straightforward to me.) Still another possibility is that the encryption algorithm used for the message itself has a ""dual key"" property, that possession of either of two keys can be used to decrypt it. One key would be the session key from the DH exchange, and the other would be the back door key for the chip. It's worth noting that one of the proposals Dorothy Denning raised during her amazingly prescient on-line discussion last November and December was a variation on Diffie-Hellman in which a third party would participate in deriving the session keys. This doesn't quite fit into what we know of how Clipper works but it hints that those who had early knowledge of Clipper (or whose thinking was somehow synchronized with Clipper designers) may have had Diffie-Hellman on their minds. Hal Finney ";-1;0 "From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: Flyback squeal in video monitors Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 41 In article <1993Mar31.204036.4359@ssc.com>, markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) writes: |> Zack Lau (zlau@arrl.org) wrote: |> : In sci.electronics, xhan@uceng.uc.edu (Xiaoping Han) writes: |> : >In article <1993Mar24.163510.158@hubcap.clemson.edu> michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Michael D. Townsend) writes: |> : >>brendan@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Brendan Jones) writes: |> : >> |> : >>My mom's 25"" Magnavox does this as well. I put chewing gum all around |> : >>the horizontal sync transformer so it wouldn't resonate the board as |> : >>much. Don't flame, it worked. I realize that there is a more suitable |> : >>substance available for this purpose, but I don't remember what and |> : >>where it is. |> : |> : >Adhesive silicon, from hardware store. |> : |> : If it smells like vinegar, it may damage metal surfaces by |> : promoting corrosion. |> |> Anybody tried Superglue (cyanoacrylate ?). This should sneak |> into the cracks better, and is stiffer than silicone. I've found this works pretty well on noisy laminated power transformer cores and windings (the 60Hz kind). Likewise, if anybody has tried this on a flyback I'd like to hear about it. I would suspect it would not be as effective as it was on power transformers as the material wouldn't damp as well--something I suspect would be critical at the frequencies involved (in other words, you want absorption rather than prevention which would be real difficult at 15 KHz). -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) ";-1;0 "From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr20.143434.5069@cs.ruu.nl> clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes: >In <1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes: > >>Beware. There is only one such *copyrighted* image and the company >>that generated is known to protect that copyright. That image took >>hundreds of man-hours to build from the source satellite images, >>so it is unlikely that competing images will appear soon. > >So they should sue the newspaper I got it from for printing it. >The article didn't say anything about copyrights. (1) No explicit (c) is necessary. If it the image is attributed to the Geosphere Company, then there is a likelihood permission is has been given to reprint. (2) Unlikely that the owner can or will go after individuals. However, ""interesting"" images do make their way into ads and computer demos. That is when a pirate might get some flak. This image is considered so ""interesting"" that many people would like to use it whenever some global map is needed, so there is lots of temptation. (3) One mail person said since the source data- satellite imagery- is not copyrighted, then the derived image can't be. Not true. A new, distinctive, creative expression of the data can be protected. This image is certainly fits such, since NO ONE ELSE has taken the tremendous effort to re-create it themselves. Precedent is a recent telephone book court case. Ma Bell tried to copyright the data in their books and prevent competitors from copying it (there are trick entries in the book). But the court only permitted copyright of the expression of the data, and not the data themselves. (You cant xerox and sell the telephone book.) (4) There will be more attention to digital copyrights in the future and computer becomes a mass product and moguls such as Bill Gates are currently hoarding the digital copyrights. (5) I'd prefer that Geosphere put this data in the public domain because it is very interesting to me and others, but that's the way things are. ";-1;0 "From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: AF/ATS: Red Army Fraction (RAF) communique Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Lines: 33 As quoted from by c115184@cs.UAlberta.CA (Merth Eric William): > > >In article , cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes: > > >|>As quoted from by hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker): > >|> > >|>> Isn't it wonderfull the way people can make the sadistic and indescriminate > >|>> murder of the Bader-Meinhof gang sound like altruism? > >|> > >|>Gee Phil, I'd remember where you are and that these people are monitoring the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >|>net. I'd also remember that they have about as much sense of humor as Ed > ^^^ > > Damn. It isn't Big Brother after all? And all this time I thought that all > those revolutionaries, while blowing things up and killing the odd > innocent person in the process, really did love all us proles. ('cause > _everybody knows_ that dialectical materialism will save you [even > if it has to get you killed first]). > What a fool I've been. What you fail to see is that in order to make a nightmarish stew of psychosis and repression, you have to break a few eggs. You the evil productive elements in society, are those eggs.... Damn the spirit, full speed ahead.... -- =================================================================== ""You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas"" - Holly Silva ";-1;0 "From: jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Lines: 37 Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada In article <15APR199315012030@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.094320.1723@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes... >>> > So how close would the comet have gotten to Jupiter on the pass that >>> > put it into temporary orbit, and how far is it likely to get from >>> > Jupiter before it makes its escape? >>> >>> The answer to all of these questions is we don't know yet. >>> We don't know for sure if the comet is in a temporary orbit. >> >>I see. I wasn't so interested in this particular case as in typical >>behavior, anyway. Can these questions be answered for a previous >>instance, such as the Gehrels 3 that was mentioned in an earlier posting? > > Gehrels 3 was in a temporary Jovian orbit for about 3 or 4 years. I'll > get the orbital elements from Dance of the Planets and post them here. Sorry folks, I should have done this, and meant to just after i hit the send key... Orbital Elements of Comet 1977VII (from Dance files) p(au) 3.424346 e 0.151899 i 1.0988 cap_omega(0) 243.5652 W(0) 231.1607 epoch 1977.04110 Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were: April 1973 83 jupiter radii August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii Hope this helps...I'm even less of an orbital mechanic than I am an artist. John Garland jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca ";-1;0 "From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) Subject: Re: Date is stuck Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.civil.ubc.ca In article <1qte10$kn5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) writes: > >I can't imagine why someone would leave their computer on all of >the time to start with. Its like leaving your lights tv, radio >and everything in the house on all of the time to me.....Nuts We have plenty of computer labs where the computers are left on all the time. I don't see any shorter lifespan than the ones we have in the offices which does get turned off at the end of the day. In fact, some of the computers in the labs have outlived some of the same ones in the offices. But it goes both ways so can't conclude anything. Thomas. ";-1;0 "From: gscott@b64542.STUDENT.CWRU.Edu (George Scott) Subject: Roland D-50 For Sale Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, USA Lines: 18 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: b64542.student.cwru.edu For sale: Roland D-50: $700 or best offer. Excellent condition. Includes over 1000 patches on disk (In cakewalk sysex format) Buyer must pay COD shipping. Please e-mail responses to: gms2@po.cwru.edu Thanks. George -- George Scott (gscott@b64542.student.cwru.edu) (gms2@po.cwru.edu) ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Daystar Turbo 040 Opinions? Lines: 6 I'm thinking about upgrading my 030 50MHz to the 040 33version. Has anyone had any experience with the accelerator, and if so - what do you think? Any problems, what are the speedometer results?, is it much faster than the 50MHz? Basically, I'd appreciate hearing all about this product. Please respond via email, and I'll summarize if there's a big response. thanks in advance, Andrew ";-1;0 "From: jack@multimedia.cc.gatech.edu (Tom Rodriguez) Subject: composite video - what are HD and VD? Article-I.D.: multimed.JACK.93Apr6032642 Organization: Multimedia Computing Group Lines: 19 I've got an rgb Mistubishi monitor and on the back it has 5 BNC connectors labeled like this: composite HD VD + + + + + sync red green blue I've used it as a straight RGB monsitor but i can't figure out how to use it for composite. Could someone explain what these markings mean? Thanks for any help. tom -- Tom Rodriguez (jack@cc.gatech.edu) Multimedia Computing Group - GVU Lab Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, Georgia 30332-0280 ";-1;0 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 38 In article <9304151442.AA05233@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes: > Well, it seems the ""National Sales Tax"" has gotten its very > own CNN news LOGO! > > Cool. That means we'll be seeing it often. > > Man, I sure am GLAD that I quit working ( or taking this > seriously ) in 1990. If I kept busting my ass, watching > time go by, being frustrated, I'd be pretty DAMN MAD by > now. > > I just wish I had the e-mail address of total gumby who > was saying that "" Clinton didn't propose a NST "". > Actually, Jerry Brown essentially did...and Clinton, in his demagogue persona, condemned Brown for it in the crucial NY primary last year. However.... Why don't the Republicans get their act together, and say they will support a broad-based VAT that would have to be visible (the VAT in Canada is visible unlike the invisible VATS they have in Europe) and suggest a rate sufficient to halve income and corporate and capital gains tax rates and at a rate sufficient to give the Clintons enough revenue for their health care reform, and force an agreement with the Democrats that the top income tax rate would then be frozen for the forseeable future and could be increased only via a national referendum. Why not make use of the Clintons to do something worthwhile... shift the tax burden from investment to consumption, and get health care reform, and a frozen low top marginal tax rate all in one fell swoop. Gerald ";-1;0 "From: ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca (James Owens) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 87 In article 70257, david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) writes: >In article 17570@freenet.carleton.ca, ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca >(James Owens) writes: >>You seem to be saying that, God being unknowable, His morality >>is unknowable. >Yep, that's pretty much it. . . . >. . . >As I understand it, the Sadducees believed that the Torah was all >that was required, whereas the Pharisees (the ancestors of modern >Judaism) believed that the Torah was available for interpretation >to lead to an understanding of the required Morality in all its >nuances (->Talmud). >The essence of all of this is that Biblical Morality is an >interface between Man and YHWH (for a Jew or Christian) and does >not necessarily indicate anything about YHWH outside of that >relationship (although one can speculate). >. . . >. . . the point I`m trying to make is that we only really have the >Bible to interpret, and that interpretation is by humanity. I guess >this is where Faith or Relevation comes in with all its inherent >subjectiveness. God being unknowable, I can't comment on His motives, but it would be distressing if He allowed us to misunderstand Him through no fault of our own. For sanity's sake we must assume, if we believe in Him at all, that His message comes through somehow. The question is whether it comes through immediately to every individual, or is contained in a complex canon that must be interpreted by experts in consultation with one another, or is transmitted directly through appointed representatives who are free to interpret, extend and modify the canon. If God's message is indeed mediated, the further problem arises as to whether the individual under- stands the mediated message fully and clearly. Since the responsibility for understanding lies ultimately with the individual, we must assume that God in His benevolence guides each individual to the appropriate source for that individual, whereof the person may or may not drink. >>Metaphysically, if there are multiple moral codes then there is no >>Absolute moral code, and I think this is theologically questionable. >No. There may be an absolute moral code. There are undoubtably multiple >moral codes. The multiple moral codes may be founded in the absolute moral >code. As an example, a parent may tell a child never to swear, and the child >may assume that the parent never swears simply because the parent has told >the child that it is ""wrong"". Now, the parent may swear like a trooper in >the pub or bar (where there are no children). The ""wrongness"" here is if >the child disobeys the parent. The parent may feel that it is ""inappropriate"" >to swear in front of children but may be quite happy to swear in front of >animals. The analogy does not quite hold water because the child knows that >he is of the same type as the parent (and may be a parent later in life) but >you get the gist of it? Incidentally, the young child considers the directive >as absolute until he gets older (see Piaget) and learns a morality of his own. Your example is complicated in our age by the thin line between morality and politeness. You might have said ""burp"", for burping and swearing carry about the same stigma today. If you are talking about ""taking the Lord's name in vain"" as a serious transgression, then this example is more a case of hypocrisy than of varying moral codes. If there is an absolute moral code, propositions or laws in that code apply absolutely and universally, by definition. Conceivably some moral codes could be subsets of the universal code, as you say at the outset. So, for example, God's code could include, ""Thou shalt not create Beings without a hospitable planet to live on"", but this law would be inapplicable to us. Nevertheless, we would be entitled to suppose that all laws applicable to us are also applicable to God. But when you begin to ask what laws might appear in God's moral code, you have a sense of the absurdity of the question. Does God make laws for Himself to follow? Perhaps God is not the sort of being to which the category ""morality"" can be sensibly applied. -- James Owens ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca Ottawa, Ontario, Canada ";-1;0 "From: Don_Alder@mindlink.bc.ca (Don Alder) Subject: Bware of JayHayes/Deleware Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 10 Had a deal with Jay Hayes from Deleware and was ripped off do not deal with this guy and if you know him go to his door with a bat! He lives in Deleware and I will post his full address later as well as his phone number in case any on e else wants to call and leave nasty messages. He will not return email and he will not return my phone calls I left a message iwth hgis roomate to call collect and hes not man enough. He still maintains net privilages, can we somehow get this turkey off the net. DA ";8;1 "From: vdp@mayo.edu (Vinayak Dutt) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Reply-To: vdp@mayo.edu Organization: Mayo Foundation/Mayo Graduate School :Rochester, MN Lines: 53 In article H9r@ra.nrl.navy.mil, khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes: ##I strongly suggest that you look up a book called THE BIBLE, THE QURAN, AND ##SCIENCE by Maurice Baucaille, a French surgeon. It is not comprehensive, ##but, it is well researched. I imagine your library has it or can get it ##for you through interlibrary loan. ## I shall try to get hold of it (when I have time to read of course :-) ##In short, Dr Baucaille began investigating the Bible because of pre- ##ceived scientific inaccuracies and inconsistencies. He assumed that ##some of the problems may have been caused by poor translations in by- ##gone days. So, he read what he could find in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic. ##What he found was that the problems didn't go away, they got worse. ##Then, he decided to see if other religions had the same problems. ##So, he picked up the Holy Qur'an (in French) and found similar prob- ##lems, but not as many. SO, he applied the same logoic as he had ##with the Bible: he learned to read it in Arabic. The problems he ##had found with the French version went away in Arabic. He was unable ##to find a wealth of scientific statements in the Holy Qur'an, but, ##what he did find made sense with modern understanding. So, he ##investigated the Traditions (the hadith) to see what they had to ##say about science. they were filled with science problems; after ##all, they were contemporary narratives from a time which had, by ##pour standards, a primitive world view. His conclusion was that, ##while he was impressed that what little the Holy Qur'an had to ##say about science was accurate, he was far more impressed that the ##Holy Qur'an did not contain the same rampant errors evidenced in ##the Traditions. How would a man of 7th Century Arabia have known ##what *not to include* in the Holy Qur'an (assuming he had authored ##it)? ## So in short the writer (or writers) of Quran decided to stay away from science. (if you do not open your mouth, then you don't put you foot into your mouth either). But then if you say Quran does not talk much about science, then one can not make claims (like Bobby does) that you have great science in Quran. Basically I want to say that *none* of the religious texts are supposed to be scientific treatises. So I am just requesting the theists to stop making such wild claims. --- Vinayak ------------------------------------------------------- vinayak dutt e-mail: vdp@mayo.edu standard disclaimers apply ------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) Subject: Re: Rockwell Chipset for 14.4's ... Any good? Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas Lines: 28 In article im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu (Joe Zbiciak) writes: >What's the word on the chipset? Is this a ROM bug specific >to a specific brand using the Rockwell, or is it the Rockwell >chipset itself? There were an assortment of firmware problems, but that is pretty much expected with any FAX/modem talking with a different FAX or modem which may have also been revised or is new. I'm pretty much oblivious to any current firmware problems, so you'll have to get it from someone else. However, I can tell you to stay clear of any board which uses the Rockwell MPU (as opposed to the DPU) for an internal implementation. This is because the MPU used ""speed buffering"" instead of having a 16550 interface. Without the 550 interface, the number of interrupts are still the same and thus may get dropped under multitasking conditions (like in windows). As far as I know, the ""speed buffering"" works OK for external modems if a 550 is used on the internal serial port board. Hope this helps... Tom -- |Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer|tom.barrett@amd.com|v:512-462-6856 | |AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX 78741 |f:512-462-5155 | |...don't take no/take hold/don't leave it to chance ---Tasmin Archer | |My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin | ";-1;0 "From: charles@gremlin.muug.mb.ca (Charles) Subject: Multiport COM boards--info needed Organization: The Haunted Unix Box Lines: 10 What 4 or more com port boards are available for PCs? We want standard com ports, so no need to mention the expensive coprocessed ones. They should either be able to share IRQs or be able to use IRQs 8-15. Thanks for any info... ";-1;0 "From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Options that would be great to have... Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 26 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) says: A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing options on a car, or things you'd like to have... 1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of> mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge... 2) Full size spare 3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors. 4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment and cabin. Feel free to add on... 5) Power windows -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ ";10;1 "From: b8!anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (new user) Subject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin Organization: Intergraph Lines: 24 In article , db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: |> Beyt (BCG@thor.cf.ac.uk) writes: |> |> |> 4) ""Nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]"" (Rev. 21.27). Therefore, |> babies are born in such a state that should they die, they are cuf off |> from God and put in hell, Oh, that must explain Matthew 18: 1) In that hour came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, ""Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"" 2) And he called to him a little child, and set him in the midst of them, 3) and said, ""Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven. 14) Even so it is not the will of your father who is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. Nice thing about the Bible, you don't have to invent a bunch of convoluted rationalizations to understand it, unlike your arguments for original sin. Face it, original sin was thought up long after the Bible had been written and has no basis from the scriptures. Anthony ";-1;0 "From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Hockey Draft week 26 standings Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division Lines: 279 Here are the standings after the April 6 update. I'll be leaving for Japan in 1.5 hours, and I won't be back until April 17. Consequently, I will not post the week 27 results until April 18. Email sent between April 13 and April 18 will be processed using the numbers available April 18. - Andrew USENET Hockey Draft Standings Week 26 Posn Team Pts Proj Cash Last Posn 1. Dave Wessels 1478 1575.3 1.9 (1) 2. Gilles Carmel 1389 1533.8 56.3 (5) 3. Bob Hill 1418 1530.8 24.0 (2) 4. The Awesome Oilers 1366 1509.9 68.6 (3) 5. Seppo Kemppainen 1372 1508.9 47.2 (6) 6. Mak ""The Knife"" Paranjape 1376 1501.8 31.0 (4) 7. Hillside Raiders 1397 1490.7 7.0 (7) 8. Jan Stein 1354 1478.8 35.3 (9) 9. Rangers Of Destiny 1346 1472.5 42.0 (10) 10. this years model 1368 1471.8 17.6 (8) 11. Tapio Repo 1354 1461.0 19.6 (12) 12. FRANK'S BIG FISH 1341 1448.3 22.0 (14) 13. The Underachievers 1309 1446.5 65.4 (16) 14. On Thin Ice 1333 1445.5 32.3 (11) 15. Lindros Losers 1349 1436.9 1.7 (13) 16. littlest giants 1319 1435.7 35.6 (15) 17. Go Flames 1290 1422.6 64.4 (17) 18. Mopar Muscle Men 1328 1411.7 3.7 (19) 19. DIE Penguin Bandwaggoners 1304 1409.7 20.2 (18) 20. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 1298 1383.2 4.9 (21) 21. General Accounting Office 1272 1373.8 20.9 (22) 22. Migods Menschen 1259 1367.0 31.6 (20) 23. Boomer's Boys 1285 1366.1 0.2 (23) 24. Delaware Wombats 1285 1356.2 1.3 (24) 25. Wellsy's Buttheads DEC NH 1223 1354.4 52.6 (27) 26. Rocky Mountain High 1270 1349.3 1.8 (29) 27. Fife Flyers 1232 1346.3 31.4 (26) 28. Gerald Olchowy 1231 1343.0 33.7 (25) 29. Fluide Glacial 1246 1338.5 18.0 (28) 30. Gaoler 1227 1318.3 11.2 (30) 31. SmegHeads 1238 1313.0 0.3 (32) 32. The Young And The Skateless 1185 1299.7 42.9 (31) 33. Artic Storm 1179 1291.8 39.3 (43) 34. Sam & His Dogs 1206 1289.0 11.6 (33) 35. Neural Netters 1199 1287.9 11.3 (35) 36. Youngbucs 1157 1286.6 101.7 (34) 37. Soft Swedes 1154 1275.3 46.9 (58) 38. Jeff Horvath 1188 1262.7 5.6 (39) 39. Yan The Man Loke 1180 1261.3 0.7 (40) 40. Milton Keynes Kings 1180 1259.6 2.8 (42) 41. Hamster from Hoboken 1178 1257.5 8.7 (36) 42. Le Fleur de Lys 1159 1257.3 25.3 (46) 43. ice legion 1157 1256.6 28.8 (37) 44. Simmonac 1133 1254.4 87.6 (44) 45. Kuehn Crushers 1137 1253.1 45.1 (72) 46. The Finnish Force 1149 1249.4 22.5 (48) 47. Streaks 1117 1247.1 54.8 (38) 48. Legion of Hoth 1156 1246.3 15.8 (52) 49. Goaldingers 1146 1240.6 22.0 (45) 50. Grant Marven 1155 1236.0 2.9 (50) 51. bemybaby 1161 1235.2 7.3 (49) 52. T C OverAchievers 1162 1232.8 2.9 (47) 53. Skriko Wolves 1151 1232.4 5.4 (53) 54. Bozrah Bruins 1117 1230.7 45.2 (41) 55. Brian Bergman 1132 1229.3 23.3 (51) 56. LIPPE 1132 1214.7 13.9 (65) 57. Randy Coulman 1140 1214.5 5.2 (56) 58. LAMP LIGHTERS 1138 1214.2 5.9 (66) 59. Dave Snell 1089 1212.5 182.5 (60) 60. Steven And Mark Dream Team 1133 1210.6 3.1 (53) 61. Houdini's Magicians 1126 1209.9 18.3 (59) 62. Real Bad Toe Jam 1096 1208.6 48.9 (63) 63. rec.sport.hockey choices 1137 1208.3 1.3 (63) 64. Iowa Hockeyes 1118 1205.7 16.3 (55) 65. buffalo soldiers 1085 1204.6 62.1 (57) 66. Indianapolis Bennies 1114 1200.6 20.8 (67) 67. Bloom County All Stars 1121 1199.2 4.3 (61) 68. Tom 1109 1194.0 13.1 (68) 69. Phil and Kev's Karma Dudes 1121 1192.6 0.8 (69) 70. AIK Exiles 1078 1188.1 34.5 (70) 71. Doug Bowles 1099 1186.4 20.0 (62) 72. Bruins 1117 1184.9 0.1 (75) 73. smithw 1095 1184.3 21.0 (71) 74. The Great Pumpkin 1057 1178.6 54.4 (73) 75. shooting seamen 1111 1177.8 0.1 (77) 76. Frank Worthless 1099 1176.6 6.3 (82) 77. NON! 1089 1175.7 16.4 (74) 78. Invisible Inc 1104 1173.5 1.1 (79) 79. Brad Gibson 1075 1169.0 27.2 (89) 80. Chubby Checkers 1074 1165.6 16.3 (85) 81. PLP Fools 1092 1164.8 0.1 (76) 82. John Zupancic 1063 1164.2 27.1 (78) 83. Staffan Axelsson 1082 1163.0 15.1 (80) 84. David Wong 1038 1162.5 66.1 (87) 85. Kortelaisen Kovat 1041 1160.7 164.1 (92) 86. Chocolate Rockets 1083 1158.9 2.5 (83) 87. Ken DeCruyenaere 1078 1158.8 5.0 (94) 88. Cougarmania 1061 1154.7 24.8 (86) 89. garryola 1073 1152.9 9.7 (81) 90. Derrill's Dastardly Dozen 1062 1149.6 22.1 (88) 91. No Namers 1033 1147.6 58.2 (91) 92. The Campi Machine 1022 1145.8 65.3 (90) 93. Gary Bergman Fan Club 1071 1145.1 5.1 (98) 94. Fisher Dirtbags 1073 1144.1 0.7 (93) 95. KODIAKS 1076 1141.0 1.3 (84) 96. Arsenal Maple Leafs 1066 1136.0 3.8 (99) 97. The Kamucks 1020 1134.1 76.1 (105) 98. BSC Oranienburg 1067 1132.1 7.1 (102) 99. Bloodgamers 1018 1127.1 42.1 (97) 100. Ellis Islanders 1055 1125.5 7.6 (100) 101. Mombasa Mosquitos 1053 1125.4 6.1 (95) 102. Edelweiss 1049 1122.8 2.9 (101) 103. Zachmans Wingers 1006 1117.7 49.8 (103) 104. Wormtown Woosbags 1001 1114.6 72.6 (96) 105. Dirty White Socks 1008 1113.6 43.4 (106) 106. Hurricane Andrew 1040 1113.5 7.6 (104) 107. Larry 1034 1113.2 11.8 (109) 108. 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Tap 989 1053.0 0.5 (150) 156. Goddess Of Fermentation 964 1051.0 30.2 (156) 157. HUNTERS & COLLECTORS 945 1050.6 42.4 (163) 158. Dr Joel Fleishman 985 1048.7 3.7 (159) 159. furleys furies 983 1048.6 3.6 (153) 160. convex stars 979 1047.9 5.6 (161) 161. Les Nordiques 939 1046.9 60.4 (155) 162. MY TEAM 932 1045.3 174.8 (167) 163. Hubert's Hockey Homeboys 980 1043.9 0.6 (162) Book 'em Danno's Bushbabies 977 1043.9 10.5 (169) 165. riding the pine 956 1038.7 20.7 (158) 166. Sundogs 975 1037.1 0.4 (166) 167. Jeff Nimeroff 927 1037.0 48.8 (172) 168. Slap Shot Marco 930 1036.0 51.8 (164) 169. Daryl Turner 976 1035.8 2.4 (179) 170. The Dreamers 921 1033.1 63.7 (180) 171. East City Jokers 919 1031.6 69.1 (173) 172. Flowers 921 1031.4 113.6 (168) 173. Satan's Choice 961 1030.1 14.5 (171) 174. The Leafs Rule!!!! 943 1030.0 25.8 (165) 175. Pierre Mailhot 969 1029.9 2.6 (174) 176. voyageurs 968 1029.4 2.7 (170) 177. Spinal Tap 928 1029.1 41.4 (176) 178. San Jose Mahi Mahi 939 1026.7 31.8 (185) Stimpy ADG Zeta 949 1026.7 21.0 (182) 180. Jeff Bachovchin 916 1024.7 46.7 (175) 181. Bulldogs 941 1024.5 23.4 (184) 182. LANA Inc 940 1021.0 27.3 (177) 183. Big Bad Bruins 939 1020.6 18.5 (186) 184. Mike Mac Cormack Sydney NS CAN 904 1019.1 107.2 (183) 185. Darse Billings 925 1017.8 34.7 (178) 186. Chappel's Chumps 934 1017.6 24.0 (181) 187. JimParker 903 1014.5 179.0 (192) 188. Republican Dirty Tricksters 894 1008.0 66.0 (189) 189. Enforcers 924 1007.8 28.1 (191) 190. Absolut Lehigh 937 1007.7 8.9 (190) 191. Yellow Plague 933 1005.0 14.2 (187) 192. Dr.D And The S.O.D. 929 1003.8 17.1 (198) 193. Bunch of Misfits 916 1003.3 23.8 (188) 194. Ninja Turtles 942 1000.8 1.3 (194) 195. Great Expectations 934 999.3 2.3 (196) 196. Cherry Bombers 939 998.1 1.2 (200) 197. Henry's Bar B Q 941 998.0 0.7 (195) 198. Robyns Team 907 993.5 30.0 (198) 199. Team Melville 891 991.8 46.9 (202) 200. Umpire 4 life 919 990.9 11.1 (193) 201. Acadien 914 988.9 18.3 (197) 202. Kaufbeuren Icebreakers 894 988.2 37.6 (207) 203. Firebirds 926 986.5 3.9 (201) 204. Jayson's Kinky Pucks 904 986.1 26.9 (203) 205. Cobra's Killers 891 982.5 31.7 (208) 206. Outlaws 871 981.6 164.9 (206) 207. Kuta Papercuts 912 981.5 18.5 (204) 208. Killer Apes 902 979.9 24.3 (205) 209. DARMAN'S Dragons 896 979.4 28.3 (211) 210. Roger Smith 882 978.2 39.6 (212) 211. Those 1st few weeks hurt! 862 975.1 55.9 (210) 212. Thundering Herd 860 972.8 163.6 (218) 213. IKEA Wholesale 910 970.2 1.7 (214) 214. Believe it or dont 895 968.7 21.1 (215) 215. fred mckim 861 966.8 93.0 (217) 216. 400 Hurricane 880 966.4 32.1 (216) 217. Creeping Death 886 965.0 21.3 (220) 218. Knee Injuries 897 964.9 10.4 (213) 219. The 200 Club 902 964.7 6.8 (209) 220. Crazy Euros 888 962.1 17.9 (219) 221. Frack Attack 875 961.8 27.3 (226) 222. Todd's Turkeys 898 957.0 1.9 (229) 223. Ryan's Renegades 858 956.4 50.9 (225) 224. Cafall and Crew 862 955.9 38.3 (222) 225. pig vomit 894 955.2 1.3 (227) 226. Ice Strykers 848 954.4 105.4 (221) 227. Fighting Geordies 850 954.1 141.6 (223) 228. CDN Stuck in Alabama 886 945.7 10.3 (231) 229. Ship's Way 884 943.4 8.7 (233) 230. Swillbellies 870 942.8 18.7 (228) 231. Oz 851 941.8 35.0 (235) 232. Chris of Death 835 939.3 83.6 (234) 233. Banko's Beer Rangers 875 938.6 4.2 (230) 234. NY Flames 872 938.1 7.8 (232) 235. Laubsters II 828 937.4 201.6 (237) 236. dayton bomber 882 935.1 0.0 (241) 237. Zipper Heads 847 931.7 33.9 (224) 238. Ninja Bunnies 826 928.1 44.9 (236) 239. Joliet Inmates 832 926.0 45.8 (239) 240. Widefield White Wolves 832 924.1 36.9 (242) 241. Daves Team 834 920.9 32.0 (238) 242. Great Scott 814 917.8 73.3 (240) 243. South Carolina Tiger Paws 806 915.1 78.4 (243) 244. SANDY'S SABRES 854 910.8 4.7 (245) 245. Florida Tech Burgh Team 809 904.6 49.3 (250) 246. The Ice Holes 850 903.9 2.7 (246) 247. Leos Blue Chips 845 902.9 10.4 (244) 248. For xtc 837 897.8 8.2 (248) 249. roadrunners 826 895.9 18.5 (249) 250. Mudville Kings 816 894.0 27.6 (251) 251. Redliners 820 890.8 15.9 (253) 252. Pat Phillips 827 889.1 10.1 (247) 253. New Jersey Rob 835 883.0 0.7 (252) 254. Stewart Clamen 821 869.4 1.6 (255) 255. Demon Spawn 782 860.1 25.0 (254) 256. Sunnyvale Storm 772 813.5 0.2 (256) 257. Allez les Blues 713 810.7 476.9 (257) 258. Up For Sale Hockey Club 725 795.0 23.0 (260) 259. Petes Picks 689 788.1 168.5 (258) 260. RINACO 682 781.6 114.0 (259) 261. Brenz Revenge 669 718.5 4.0 (261) 262. Dinamo Riga 571 663.8 571.6 (262) -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... ";-1;0 "From: jwg@SEDV1.acd4.acd.com (jwg) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time In-Reply-To: bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 20:35:23 GMT Organization: /u/jwg/.organization Lines: 16 In article , bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu (Barak H. Tulin) gives forth: >I just started reading this thread today, so forgive me if it has already been >mentioned. But...what was the deal with Renault's putting the horn on the >left-hand turn-signal stalk? It was a button on the end, where the washer >button would be on the wiper/washer stalk. Could the Frenchies not figure >out the wiring through the steering wheel, or what? Had an '83 Alliance for a long time. It was a comfortable but sluggish car. I got very used to the horn on the stalk, after a couple months worth of getting used to it. After I bought my next car, a Chevy, it took me for-EVER to get used to the horn on the steering wheel again! jim grey jwg@acd4.acd.com Up the Irons! ";-1;0 "From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) Subject: request for list of Boston Univ. players in NHL Distribution: na Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 6 Originator: icop@csa Being a proud BU alumnus, I'd like to get a list of BU players in the NHL so I can keep an eye on their progress. A lot of Terriers are graduating this year so I hope to see them soon in the NHL. If somebody could post or send me a list, I'd appreciate it. Please note if the player graduated from here or not. ";-1;0 "Subject: ==> MS Windows Sound System, Text to Speach? From: HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca Organization: BC Systems Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: bcsc02.gov.bc.ca Lines: 4 Hi all News Group users: Does anyone know whether there is some software which will let one do Text to Speach like the Sound Blaster does? Hal Adam, HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca ";-1;0 "From: ls116@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Lei Shao) Subject: Re: TrueType fonts that display but do not print. Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: ls116@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Lei Shao) Organization: Columbia University Distribution: na Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr17.134725.15882@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> avinash@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Avinash Chopde) writes: >I just installed a new TrueType font under MS-Windows 3.1 >but though all the applications display the font correctly on the >screen, quite a few of them fail to print out the document correctly >(on a LaserJet 4 - non-PostScript printer). > >When I use the font in CorelDRAW, the document prints correctly, so I assume >CorelDRAW knows that the font has to be downloaded to the printer. > >But when I use the Windows accessory Write, the printer prints square >boxes in place of the characters of the new font. Yet, Write does >display the font correctly on the screen. > >I looked through all the Windows and LaserJet manuals, but got nowhere. >All of them just make the statement that TrueType fonts will print >exactly as you see them on the screen---so I assume Windows knows that a font >has to be downloaded automatically---but, how to make it do that???? > >Appreciate any help.... I assume you're using the driver available from cica (hp4-v108.zip). Bring up the setup screen of the printer through control panel. Click on the ""Options"" button brings up another screen of choices. Change the ""Graphics Mode"" from ""HP-GL/2"" to ""Raster"" and check the box ""Print Truetype as graphics (this is only available when you choose ""Raster""). Now you should be able to print all your truetype fonts correctly. Good luck. Lei Shao ls116@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu ";-1;0 "From: johng@ecs.comm.mot.com (John Gilbert) Subject: clipper chip --Bush did it Organization: Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector Distribution: na Keywords: Big Bubba Is Watching! Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.147.59 Lines: 10 In article wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) writes: >... This is the Democrats' version >""Defend Free Speech - Reject Republicans"" followed by speech control. This must have been in the works for some time. The Bush administration must have been working on it for quite a while. --Clinton simply took the credit (or blame, depending on how you look at it). -- John Gilbert johng@ecs.comm.mot.com ";-1;0 "From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Purdue University Can we please stick to AUTOMOTIVE topics . Thank you. Lines: 1 ";-1;0 "From: ua020@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Toby Sinats) Subject: Accelerator for Classic II? Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet.victoria.bc.ca Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada Lines: 4 Does one exist, who makes it, and how much? Thanks:) -- ";-1;0 "From: wgs1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Walter G. Seefeld) Subject: Re: Microsoft DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 22 In article ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall) writes: >In article sasjhc@maxwell.unx.sas.com (Joe Croos) writes: > > |> yuanchie@eve.usc.edu (Yuan-Chieh Hsu) writes: > |> > |> > MS DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale best offer over $45 > |> > (opened, unregistered) > |> > |> Gee, my copy of PC Magazine states that the upgrade is retailing for $49.99... > > Egghead, across the street, sells it for $47.49 and I'm going that way > after work :-> > >CompUSA has it for 38.xx, in Boston. I will sell it for $33 including shipping... -- Walter G. Seefeld | By the dawn's early light, 940 N. Jackson St. #1A | By all I know is right, Starkville, MS 39759 | We're going to reap what we have sown. N5QXR | -Jackson Brown ";8;1 "From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: I thought commercial Advertising was Not allowed Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: na Lines: 47 In matt@galaxy.nsc.com (Matt Freivald x8043) writes: >In article 164633 in talk.politics.misc, bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes: >>>>And Ms. Regard, please don't give us the trite ""you can't legislate >>>>morality"" nonsense again: there is little else that is legislated, >>>>including the moral concept of ""rights"". >>Really? Pure Socialism had this belief, and fell flat on its ass by >>attempting to follow such reasoning. Suppose you pass a law that >>states that I must love my neighbour, regardless of race, religion, >>etc. How exactly do you plan to enforce such a law? Better yet, how >>do you plan to measure compliance? And even if you overcome those >>two obstacles, how will you ever know if I have become *more moral* >>or not? >You either missed the point or are being somewhat disingenuous; I have >never heard anyone suggest that you can legislate what people think. >Laws are based on either expediency (i.e. traffic laws) or morality (i.e. >human rights), as far as I can tell, and the majority are based on the >latter. Once more around the racetrack. See the original statement that it is nonsense to believe that you cannot legislate morality. I simply stated that they can pass all the laws they want but not a single one of them will make you or I more moral people. They may make us act in a moral manner, but our actions are only a reflection of the unwillingness to risk punishment. They say nothing about whether we have become more moral or not. Perhaps the distinction is too fine. >Matt Freivald TOG >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ""I'm not a feminist -- I'm for equal rights!"" >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one! > If you don't believe in slavery, don't own one! > If you don't believe in murder, don't commit one! >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pro CHILD. Pro FAMILY. Pro LIFE. >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY AND NOT THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: ske@pkmab.se (Kristoffer Eriksson) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Keywords: science errors Turpin NLP Organization: Peridot Konsult i Mellansverige AB, Oerebro, Sweden Lines: 14 In article <1quqlgINN83q@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: > My definition is this: Science is the investigation of the empirical >that avoids mistakes in reasoning and methodology discovered from previous >work. Reading this definition, I wonder: when should you recognize something as being a ""mistake""? It seems to me, that proponents of pseudo-sciences might have their own ideas of what constitutes a ""mistake"" and which discoveries of such previous mistakes they accept. -- Kristoffer Eriksson, Peridot Konsult AB, Stallgatan 2, S-702 26 Oerebro, Sweden Phone: +46 19-33 13 00 ! e-mail: ske@pkmab.se Fax: +46 19-33 13 30 ! or ...!mail.swip.net!kullmar!pkmab!ske ";-1;0 "From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) Subject: Hockey & Hispanic market Distribution: na Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 10 Originator: icop@csa In article , saross01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Stacey A. Ross) writes: |> In rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: |> >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that |> >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons. |> >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off. What is this crap? I'm only interested in intelligent discussion. If you can't answer my question, just say so. Can anyone else answer the ques.? ";13;1 "From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: free moral agency Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 24 In article , house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) writes: |> marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Kevin Marshall) writes: |> |> >healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: |> |> >> you might think ""oh yeah. then why didn't god destroy it in the bud |> >>before it got to the point it is now--with millions through the |> >>ages suffering along in life?"" |> >> the only answer i know is that satan made the claim that his way was |> >>better than God's. God is allowing satan the chance to prove that his way |> >>is better than God's. we all know what that has brought. |> |> >Come on! God is allowing the wishes of one individual to supercede the |> >well-being of billions? I seriously doubt it. Having read the Bible |> >twice, I never got the impression that God and Satan were working in some |> >sort of cooperative arrangement. |> |> Read the book of Job. |> Oh, that was just a bet. Brian /-|-\ ";-1;0 "From: bagoly@ludens.elte.hu Subject: PC/TCP onpredir with Windows Organization: Eotvos University, Budapest, Hungary Lines: 14 Hello, We are having troubles using the PC/TCP onpredir (printer redirection program with lpr support) with the Windows print manager. The onpredir simply waits an do only the capture till the end of the Windows session, while after some printer inactivity it should start the printing. Does anybody uses this two programs together? Thanks, Zsolt * Zsolt Bagoly Dept. of Atomic Physics, Eotvos University * * Budapest, Hungary * * E-mail: zsolt@hercules.elte.hu (ELTENET) * * bagoly@ludens.elte.hu (ELTENET, Internet) * ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: Jews in LATVIA - some documents Article-I.D.: zuma.9304052018 Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 407 In article nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein) writes: : Pardon me? Here is to an amherst-clown: : : ""Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders : of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged : massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is : intolerable. >This is about Armenia. Were you expecting a different response? Here is another one: Source: K. S. Papazian, ""Patriotism Perverted,"" Baikar Press, Boston, 1934, (73 pages with Appendix). p. 25 (third paragraph) ""Some real fighters sprang up from among the people, who struck terror into the hearts of the Turks."" ""Within a few months after the war began, these Armenian guerrilla forces, operating in close coordination with the Russians, were savagely attacking Turkish cities, towns and villages in the east, massacring their inhabitants without mercy, while at the same time working to sabotage the Ottoman army's war effort by destroying roads and bridges, raiding caravans, and doing whatever else they could to ease Russian occupation. The atrocities committed by the Armenian volunteer forces accompanying the Russian army were so severe that the Russian commanders themselves were compelled to withdraw them from the fighting fronts and sent them to rear guard duties. The memoirs of many Russian officers who served in the east at this time are filled with accounts of the revolting atrocities committed by these Armenian guerrillas, which were savage even by relatively primitive standards of war then observed in such areas.[1]"" [1] ""Journal de Guerre du Deuxieme d'Artillerie de Forteresse Russe d'Erzeroum,"" 1919, p. 28. : >honored me by reproducing my text. Unfortunately, he has still not produced : >the ""documents"" on ""Jews in LATVIA."" Instead, he asks for my views on the : >""Turkish Genocide."" Well, that debate seems to be going on in a few hundred : >other threads. I'll let other people bring the usual charges, try to debunk : >Mutlu/Argic/Cosar (a net-wide Terrorism Triangle?) and their spurious evidence. : : When that does ever happen, look out the window to see if there is a : non-fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government in the East. Now, where is : your non-existent list of scholars? What a moronian. During the First : World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship : through a premeditated and systematic genocide, tried to complete its : centuries-old policy of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by : savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from : their 1,000 year homeland. >This paragraph is well-written and interesting, Serdar baby, but it has nothing >to do with Jews in LATVIA. I have not presented a list of scholars. How could you? Because there is none. >I am not >interested in an ex-Soviet (why do you write x-? It's very cute) Armenian >Government, non-fascist or otherwise. You are not responding to what I am >writing. Instead, you are autoposting your own particular brand of bullshit. Like conversing with a brick wall. And you are not responding to what I am writing. By the way, that ""bullshit"" is justly regarded as the first instance of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people. For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government planned and carried out a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out of their homeland. After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks and Kurds. The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye. Today, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and Kurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia. Today, x-Soviet Armenia covers up the genocide perpetrated by its predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against humanity. x-Soviet Armenia must pay for its crime of genocide against the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds. >You have now done so four times in a row. May I legitimately conclude that >you are not, indeed, a regular net-user, but an auto-posting computer program? >(which, for convenience, I have called MUTLU.EXE.) You may assert whatever you wish. >Here we go with MUTLU.EXE's famed list of sources: Ditto. : The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance : of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people. : This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government : and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark : Bristol, ... >(and on and on for 46 lines) And still anxiously awaiting... : .......so the list goes on and on and on..... : : >I'm still trying to find out about those Jews in LATVIA. Can you post those : >documents PLEEEEEEEASE, Mr. Argic? Puh-leeze could you? C'mon, it's my : >birthday in three weeks... post them for me as a birthday present. : : Remember, the issue at hand is the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million : Muslim people by the Armenians between 1914-1920, and the Armenian-Nazi : collaboration during World War II. Anything to add? >No, darling, READ what I post! Other people are asking you about the Turkish >genocide. I am asking you to produce the documents on Jews in Latvia. No >matter how many times you erase what I post, I will still post the same >question. Post the documents on Jews in Latvia. Do not autopost the same >block of text about the Turkish genocide. Remember, the issue at hand is the Armenian-Nazi collaboration during World War II and the Turkish Genocide. And I still fail to see how you can challenge the following western sources. Source: John Dewey: ""The New Republic,"" Vol. 40, Nov. 12, 1928, pp. 268-9. ""Happy the minority [Jews] which has had no Christian nation to protect it. And one recalls that the Jews took up their abode in 'fanatic' Turkey when they were expelled from Europe, especially Spain, by Saintly Christians, and they have lived here for centuries in at least as much tranquility and liberty as their fellow Turkish subjects, all being exposed alike to the rapacity of their common rulers. To one brought up, as most Americans have been, in the Gladstonian and foreign-missionary tradition, the condition of the Jews in Turkey is almost a mathematical demonstration that religious differences have had an influence in the tragedy of Turkey only as they were combined with aspirations for a political separation which every nation in the world would have treated as treasonable. One readily reaches the conclusion that the Jews in Turkey were fortunate..."" He also stated that: ""they [Armenians] traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the Russian invader; that they boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."" : >I want the documents of Jews in Latvia. I think several other : >people on soc.culture.greek are already disputing with you about the Turkish : >Genocide. : : Is this the joke of the month? Who, when, how, where? What a clown... >No, sweetie, the joke of the month is that you have now posted the same >block of text four times, but you still have not produced the documents on >Jews in Latvia. Instead, you post the same text you post in every other >message, that same old McCarthy table: (how appropriate it's named ""McCarthy!"") How about Prof Shaw, a Jewish scholar? Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."" (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. ""In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the southern side of the lake."" ""Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions, Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims. Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common soldiers began deserting in droves."" ""With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks, Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."" Source: Stanford J. Shaw, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey,"" Vol II. Cambridge University Press, London, 1979, pp. 314-317. ""...Meanwhile, Czar Nicholas II himself came to the Caucasus to make final plans for cooperation with the Armenians against the Ottomans, with the president of the Armenian National Bureau in Tiflis declaring in response: 'From all countries Armenians are hurrying to enter the ranks of the glorious Russian Army, with their blood to serve the victory of Russian arms...Let the Russian flag wave freely over the Dardanelles and the Bosporus. Let, with Your will, great Majesty, the peoples remaining under the Turkish yoke receive freedom. Let the Armenian people of Turkey who have suffered for the faith of Christ receive resurrection for a new free life under the protection of Russia.'[155] Armenians again flooded into the czarist armies. Preparations were made to strike the Ottomans from the rear, and the czar returned to St. Petersburg confident that the day finally had come for him to reach Istanbul."" [155] Horizon, Tiflis, November 30, 1914, quoted by Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" p. 45; FO 2485, 2484/46942, 22083. ""Ottoman morale and military position in the east were seriously hurt, and the way was prepared for a new Russian push into eastern Anatolia, to be accompanied by an open Armenian revolt against the sultan.[156]"" [156] Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" pp. 45-47; Bayur, III/1, pp. 349-380; W.E.D. Allen and P. Muratoff, ""Caucasian Battlefields,"" Cambridge, 1953, pp. 251-277; Ali Ihsan Sabis, ""Harb Hahralaram,"" 2 vols., Ankara, 1951, II, 41-160; FO 2146 no. 70404; FO 2485; FO 2484, nos. 46942 and 22083. ""An Armenian state was organized at Van under Russian protection, and it appeared that with the Muslim natives dead or driven away, it might be able to maintain itself at one of the oldest centers of ancient Armenian civilization. An Armenian legion was organized 'to expel the Turks from the entire southern shore of the lake in preparation for a concerted Russian drive into the Bitlis vilayet.'[162] Thousands of Armenians from Mus and other major centers in the east began to flood into the new Armenian state...By mid-July there were as many as 250,000 Armenians crowded into the Van area, which before the crisis had housed and fed no more than 50,000 people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.[163]"" [162] Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" p. 56; FOP 2488, nos. 127223 and 58350. [163] BVA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, debates of August 15-17, 1915; Babi-i Ali Evrak Odasi, no. 175, 321, ""Van Ihtilali ve Katl-i Ami,"" Zilkade 1333/10 September 1915. : Muslim population exterminated by the Armenians: >(31 lines deleted) Why? : Who gives a thunder about your pseudo-scholar jokes? I'am arguing about : the Armenian-Nazi colaboration during World War II. Any comment? >Argue it with someone else or do not reply to my posts, Argic my love. I >am not arguing about the Armenian-Nazi collaboration. I do not give a >thunder about it. I want you to do one of three things: >a) admit that you are not a regular user, but a computer autoposting Turkish >propaganda, or, >b) post the documents on Jews in Latvia, or, >c) run away, like the coward without a real address that you are, and do not >reply to my posts. It could be, perhaps, your head wasn't screwed on just right. In 1941, while the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi concentration camps, the Armenian volunteers in Germany formed the first Armenian battalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion had grown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of the former guerilla leader Dro (the butcher), who was the former dictator of the short-lived Armenian Dictatorship (1918-1920) and the architect of the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920. An Armenian National Council was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party leaders in Berlin, which was recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by this, the Armenians summarily formed a provisional government that endorsed and espoused fully the principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the members of the Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of extermination of the Jews. This Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an ""encore"" performance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and exterminated 2.5 million Turks by colluding with the invading Russian army. Furthermore, as McCarthy put it, the Armenian dictatorship was granted a respite when the Ottomans admitted defeat and signed the Mudros Armistice with the Allies (October 30, 1918). The Allies had decided to create a Greater Armenia, including the old Russian province of Yerevan and adjoining areas, as well as most parts of Anatolia claimed by the Armenian fanatics. Only the area called Cilicia (around the Ottoman province of Adana) was to be excluded, as it had already been claimed by the French. The Allies quickly set about attempting to disarm Ottoman soldiers and other Turks, who could be expected to oppose their plans. On April 19, 1919 the British Army occupied Kars, gave civilian and military power over to the Armenians, then withdrew. The British planned for Kars to be included in the Armenian Dictatorship, even though the Russian pre-war census had shown Kars Province to be over 60% Muslim. The Turks of Kars were effectively disarmed, but the British could not disarm the Kurds of the mountains. The fate of the Turks was almost an exact replica of what had occurred earlier in Eastern Anatolia. Murder, pillage, genocide and the destruction of Turkish homes and entire Turkish villages drove the Turks of Kars to the mountains or south and west to the safety afforded by remaining units of the Ottoman Army. The British had left the scene to the Armenian genocide squads. Therefore, few Europeans were present to observe the genocide. One British soldier, Colonel Rawlinson, who was assigned to supervise the disarmament of Otoman soldiers, saw what was occurring. Rawlinson wired to his superiors, ""in the interest of humanity the Armenians should not be left in independent command of the Moslim population, as, their troops being without discipline and not being under effective control, atrocities were constantly being committed."" >Instead, you post more Armenian nonsense: Come again? : ""These European Dashnags, with headquarters in Berlin, appealed to... >(34 lines deleted) Why? : No wonder you are in such a mess. Here are the Armenian sources on the : Turkish Holocaust. >(30+ lines deleted) Why? >(list of dead Armenians, 100+ lines, deleted): Obrother. Spell it out, ""list of dead Muslims"": Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). ""Document No: 64,"" Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer No: 4, File No: 359, Section No: 103(1435), Contents No: 3-20. (To Acting Supreme Command - Socialist Salah Cimcoz, Socialist Nesim Mazelyah) ""Armenian gangs have been murdering and inflicting cruelties on innocent people of the region. This verified information, supported by clear statements of reliable eyewitnesses, was also confirmed by General Odishelidje, Commander of the Russian Caucasian Army. Armenians are entering every place evacuated by Russians carrying out murders, cruelties, rape and all kind of atrocities which cannot be expressed in writing, murdering all the women, children, aged people who happen to be in the street. These barbarous murders repeated every day with new methods continue and the Russian Army has been urged to intervene to terminate these atrocities. Public opinion is appalled and horrified. Newspapers are describing the happenings as shocking. We have decided to inform all our friends urgently about the situation."" ""Document No: 65,"" Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer No: 5, File No: 2947, Section No: 628, Contents No: 3-1, 3-3. (To Acting Supreme Command - Commander, 3rd Army General) ""The situation in the cities of Erzincan and Erzurum which we have recently taken over is given below: These two beautiful cities of our country which are alike in the calamities and destruction which they suffered, have been destroyed, as the specially designed and built public and private buildings of these cities were deliberately burnt by Armenians apart from the destruction suffered during the two-year Russian occupation. All barracks buildings of Erzincan, the cavalry barracks in Erzurum, the Government building and Army Corps Headquarters are among those burnt. In short, both cities are burnt, destroyed and trees cut down. As to the people of these cities: All people old enough to use weapons rounded up, taken to the Sarikamis direction for road building and were slaughtered. The remaining people, were subject to cruelties and murder by Armenians following the withdrawal of Russians and were partly annihilated the corpses thrown into wells, burnt in houses, mutilated by bayonets, their abdomens ripped open in slaughterhouses, their lungs and livers torn out, girls and women hung up by their hair, after all kinds of devilish acts. The few people who were able to survive these cruelties, worse than those of the 'Spanish Inquisition,' are in poverty more dead than alive, horrified, some driven insane, about 1500 in Erzincan and 30,000 in Erzurum. The people are hungry and in poverty, for whatever they had has been taken away from them, their lands left uncultivated. The people have just been able to exist with some provisions found in stores left over from the Russians. The villages round Erzincan and Erzurum are in the worst condition. Some villages on the road, have been leveled to the ground, leaving no stone, the people completely massacred. Let me submit to your information with deep grief and regret that history has never before witnessed cruelties at such dimensions."" : (a long list) : (a long list)"" And still anxiously awaiting... Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: bytor@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us Subject: Lupus Keywords: Information wanted Article-I.D.: cruzio.5254 Reply-To: bytor@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us Lines: 12 I have a friend who has just been diagnosed with Lupus, and I know nothing about this disease. The only thing I do know is that this is some sort of skin disease, and my friend shows no skin rashes - in fact, they used a blood test to determine what had been wrong with an on going sacro- illiac joint problem. I am finding a hard time finding information on this disease. Could anyone please enlighten me as to the particulars of this disease. please feel free to E-mail me at bytor@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us Thanks in advance. ";-1;0 "From: spira@panix.com (Greg ""Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life"" Spira) Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: Boo! Lines: 36 In <1qsk9d$dck@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jdl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Justin D. Lowe) writes: >In a previous article, steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) says: >>cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >> >>> The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes >>>out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples, >>>not the Cubs. >> >>Sorry, but it is *virtually* impossible to win a division with ""no talent"" >>over 162 games. >> >>I would amend your definition to: >> >>underdog: a team expected to lose, but which wins thanks to underestimated >> talent. >>-- >>Dave! >> >OK, the Mets and O's are good examples, but what about the '90 Reds? Do you >really think that anyone expected them to sweep the A's? I know people who >didn't even think they'd win a game, let alone win the Series. These people were very silly. Any team that gets to the World Series can win the World Series, and anybody who ever expects a sweep is crazy. If you put the best team in baseball in the Series against the worst team in baseball, the worst team would win at least a game most of the time and very well could win the Series, though the odds would certainly be against them. Greg ";-1;0 "From: pochanay@cae.wisc.edu (Adisak Pochanayon) Subject: 24-pin Printer For Sale as well Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison Lines: 35 I have a 24-pin printer which is an ALPs Allegro24. It's both a fast printer with LQ and a very sophisticated design. It has a straight paper path and the capability of auto-forwarding sheets to tear off and then back (a big paper saver as you never have to waste sheets to get a current print out). It can also handle single sheets without removing the formfeed and has sophisticated preferences options (you can interactively program all the preferences to control the printer and get printed feedback without ever using a computer). You get prompts and menus to pick your current setup and default set up. This was THE top of the line LQ dot matrix when I bought it three years ago for $399. It is also Epson LQ2500 compatible (besides it's own modes) and comes with IBM driver software (which I've never used since I own an Amiga). Has a card slot for upgrading memory or fonts. I'll let it go for $150 including shipping prepaid. COD orders must pay all shipping and COD costs. Adisak Pochanayon - 608-238-2463 ------- Also a light gun and UFORCE controller for Nintendo but with PD driver software to use them on the Amiga. The light gun is fully remote (no wires). Best offer over $75 ($30 less than my cost and they are both brand new). ---------------------------------- CUT HERE ---------------------------------- Jeez!!! It never fails, get in the tub and there's a rub at the lamp! -- The Genie from Aladdin. pochanay@cae.wisc.edu eddie (Adisak) Pochanayon Check out all of SilverFox SoftWare's Releases.... your Amiga entertainment. ---------------------------------- CUT HERE ---------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Lines: 29 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >In article >holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > > >> Let me ask you this. Would you trust Richard Nixon with your >>crypto keys? I wouldn't. > >I take it you mean President Nixon, not private citizen Nixon. Sure. >Nothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon . > Are you sure you aren't being watched? Let me remind you that Watergate was only the tip of the iceberg. Nixon extensively used the NSA to watch people because he didn't like them. According to _Decrypting the Puzzle Palace_: Presumably, the NSA is restricted from conducting American surveillance by both the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978(FISA) and a series of presidential directives, beginning with one issued by President Ford following Richard Nixon's bold misuse of the NSA, in which he explicitly directed the NSA to conduct widespread domestic surveillance of political dissidents and drug users. Of course, just because there are laws saying the gov't is not supposed to conduct illegal surveillance doesn't mean those laws can't be broken when they are in the way. Doug Holland ";-1;0 "From: mjacques@flute.calpoly.edu (Michael Jacques) Subject: Re: Playoff Predictions Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 51 In article <1pn4qhINNsm1@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> boudreau@athena.mit.edu (Carol V. Boudreau) writes: > > >In the Smythe: >This one is the toughest for me to call, because I have to put >personal bias aside (Go Calgary). I think a lot depends on who >wins the division. Winnipeg will move into third by the end of >the season, and the first place winner will have a clear advantage. >It will be a lot easier to build momentum against a team like the >Kings. Whoever plays the Kings in the first round will take the >division. Much as it hurts, I have to pick, >Division Winner - Vancouver Canucks I'll have to disagree with you on this one. I think Vancouver will go as Bure goes, and if he continues on his goal scoring slump, then they won't even make it out of the first round. I think the Kings will make it out of the first round, regardless of who they play. They seem to be doing pretty well, even with that bad game against Minnesota on Saturday. I think it'll be either Calgary or Los Angeles to win the Smythe (i.e. go on to the conference finals). > >Wales Conference Trophy: >Islanders and Bruins will fight to the end, but I think the >Islanders have enough steam to overtake the Bruins in seven. > >Campbell Conference Trophy: >a walk for Vancouver, maybe in 5 or 6 but definately not 7. > >Stanley Cup Final: >Islanders and Vancouver. Islanders will have nothing left by >this point and will succumb fairly easily to the Canucks. > >Stanley Cup Champion: Vancouver Canucks Still have to disagree with you here. I think it'll be Pittsburg to get the hat trick in Stanley Cups. They just look toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good. > >I hope you have enjoyed my predictions. I hope they are not >all correct (Go Calgary). > Neither do I. Well, may the best team win it all (Pittsburg). That's just my $.02 worth. > >-- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >message from the terminal of: >Carol Boudreau >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: jimd@psg.com (Jim Dorman) Subject: Spring Cleaning Sale! Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US Distribution: na Lines: 71 Time once again to clean out the ol' closet. Some stuff is up for offers, some isn't. Please read carefully. In the MAKE OFFER department: WordPerfect 5.0, upgrade copy. Includes all disks and all upgrade manuals. Best offer. Balance of Power, 1992 edition, for the Amiga. With manual and reg. card. Best offer. In the FOR SALE department: Technics model 715 auto-reverse open-reel STEREO tape deck. Because it's auto-reverse, this deck records onto tape just like a cassette deck does, so it's not very good for splice-type editing. However, I have used it effectively in ""tape studio"" applications for mastering, and it works great. 3.75 and 7.5 ips speeds, supports up to 7"" reels. Dual lighted VU meters with record indicators. Full auto-reverse capable (and the mechanism works, too!). Adjustable sound on sound, and socket for remote control (I don't know where you'd find one, but they used to make 'em), plus a 110VAC unswitched outlet. This unit is in excellent condition and I have had it rebuilt once since I got it--works perfectly. Price: $225.00 or best offer, or possible trade (see below). Panasonic KX-P1624 printer. 24-pin with 360x360dpi resolution in both text and graphics modes. Warranty cards, manuals, all the usual stuff you expect when buying like-new merchandise. I'm selling it because I now have a better printer. This is the wide carriage version of the KX-P1124, by the way. Test prints are available upon request. Price: $250.00 o.b.o. or trade. Excalibur custom pool cue. 19 oz., 13 mm, brass joint, Irish linen wrap, could use a new tip but will hold up for a while. I've got too many cues as it is, and don't need this one. Hits nicely, is very straight and in excellent condition. Price: $125.00 o.b.o. or trade. Imperial hard case (1 butt/1 shaft) available for an additional $40.00. TRADES: I need the following things, and I have no cash of my own right now, so if you want to trade, it needs to be straight-across. The list: Amiga ROM upgrade to at LEAST 2.04, preferably 2.1+, with appropriate DOS and Workbench. 1 meg Agnus chip for the Amiga. Amiga hard drive and controller (preferably SCSI). IBM-compatible hard drive (and controller if not MFM). This one's touchy, as I have a full-height and don't have room for more unless I swap out--needs to be above 100M, and I will consider trading a good ST-4096 in the deal. Intel 9600EX or 14.4EX or similar EXTERNAL high-speed modem. This is not a complete list, but it's close. If you've got something way off the track of this list, it's probably not going to interest me at this point. Email responses, please. ";-1;0 "From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Subject: Re: bike for sale in MA, USA Keywords: wicked-sexist Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr19.194630.102@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us> jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo) writes: >I've recently become father of twins! I don't think I can afford > to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies. Both babies are staying, so 1 of > the Harleys is going. > > 1988 883 XLHD > ~4000 mi. (hey, it was my wife's bike :-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well that was pretty uncalled for. (No smile) Is our Harley manhood feeling challenged? > Jeff deRienzo ------- ""This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday."" - Temple of the Dog Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.| '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- | NYC, NY. | ";-1;0 "From: Ivanov Sergey Subject: Re: Re: VGA 640x400 graphics mode Distribution: world Organization: Commercial and Industrial Group ARGUS Reply-To: serge@argus.msk.su Lines: 7 > My 8514/a VESA TSR supports this Can You report CRT and other register state in this mode ? Thank's. Serge Ivanov (serge@argus.msk.su) ";-1;0 "From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) Subject: Do we need a Radiologist to read an Ultrasound? Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.35 Lines: 28 My wife's ob-gyn has an ultrasound machine in her office. When the doctor couldn't hear a fetal heartbeat (13 weeks) she used the ultrasound to see if everything was ok. (it was) On her next visit, my wife asked another doctor in the office if they read the ultrasounds themselves or if they had a radiologist read the pictures. The doctor very vehemently insisted that they were qualified to read the ultrasound and radiologists were NOT! My wife is concerned about this. She saw a TV show a couple months back (something like 20/20 or Dateline NBC, etc.) where an expert on fetal ultrasounds (a radiologist) was showing all the different deffects that could be detected using the ultrasound. Should my wife be concerned? Should we take the pictures to a radiologist for a second opinion? (and if so, where would we find such an expert in Chicago?) We don't really have any special medical reason to be concerned, but if a radiologist will be able to see things the ob-gyn can't, then I don't see why we shouldn't use one. Any thoughts? -- Doug Bank Private Systems Division dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207 ";-1;0 "From: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Lines: 118 Nntp-Posting-Host: viktoria.dsv.su.se Reply-To: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) Organization: Dept. of Computer and Systems Sciences, Stockholm University Henrik?? and Hilmi writes: |>henrik] The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their |>henrik] RIGHTS to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are |>henrik] INVADING their homeland. |>HE] Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today |>HE] Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan) |>HE] are their homeland. Can't you see the |>HE] the ""Great Armenia"" dream in this? With facist methods like |>HE] killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the |>HE] blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to |>HE] escape the from Lacin, a city that was ""given"" to the Kurds |>HE] by the Armenians. |>Nagorno-Karabakh is in Azerbaijan not Armenia. Armenians have lived in Nagorno- |>Karabakh ever since there were Armenians. Armenians used to live in the areas |>between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh and this area is being used to invade |>Nagorno- Karabakh. Armenians are defending themselves. If Azeris are dying |>because of a policy of attacking Armenians, then something is wrong with this |>policy. ************ Attacking? Who is attacking who? Even the country you live in,USA, have condemned Armenia for it's attacking. And you start to say that the attackers are the Azeris????? |>Armenians have lived in Nagorno Karabakh ever since there were Armenians ????? Azeris have lived in Nagorno Karabakh ever since there were Azeris... Don't come with nonsence, there is no reason to attack a people just because a man called ""Gorbatjov and co."" gave the ""freedom"" to the people in this area. |>If I recall correctly, it was Stalin who caused all this problem with land |>in the first place, not the Armenians. It's easy for people like you to blame history. The were a lot of Indians living in USA. There is no reason for these Indians to attack the ""American"" people and say:""It was the fault of the government of Germany and Great Britain, because they made people come to our place......"" Armenians lived in harmony with the Azeris until ""Gorbatjov and co."" gave ""freedom"" to the people in Karabag, then the Armenians started to kill, rape and torture the Azeris, not only in Karabag but also noe in Azerbadjan.... |>henrik] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane |>henrik] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one |>henrik] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane |>henrik] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. |>HE] Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 U.S. Cargo planes |>HE] were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities |>HE] announced that they were going to search these cargo |>HE] planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany. |>HE] 5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of |>HE] of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not |>HE] humanitarian aid..... |>What story are you talking about? Planes from the U.S. have been sending |>aid into Armenian for two years. I would not like to guess about what were in |>the 3 planes in your story, I would like to find out. |>HE] Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about. |>HE] Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons |>HE] to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan |>HE] it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons |>HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons? |>It's too bad you would want Turkey to start a war with Armenia. That's what i don't want, you couldn't imagine the result of a war..... So France, Greece and USA wants to start fighting with Azerbadjan???? They give a lot more weapons to the Armenians without saying it, that's no secret any more...... I must say that these Armenian Government is very shortsighted. Do they think that they shall move from it's neigbours when the war is over???? The neighbour around will be there and Armenia must live in harmony with these if they don't want a ""stone-age"" country, for that's what's will happen Armenia if the wars continues. Look, The President of Turkey, Turgut Ozal, died and Petrosyan the Armenian Presindent is now in Turkey for the funeral. Is it because he liked him? Sure NOT, because Armenia needs it's neighbours and must live with these. But Armenia can't stop this war with continued ordertaking from states like France and USA. With other words, if you love your people you must think twice..... And i wonder, ""Shoot down turkish planes"" WITH WHAT????? ohhh i forgot the Armenians can't find food but there are a lot of arms from the mentioned countries..... Hilmi Eren Stockholm University Sweden ";15;1 "From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >In article <1qlbrlINN7rk@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) says: >>In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 ""Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI, >>20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has >>long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."" >I love it when magazine writers make stupid statements like that re: >performance. Where do they get those numbers? I'll list the actual >performance ranges, which should convince anyone that such a >statement is absurd: >SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB/s. >SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB/s. >IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. >ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions) ALL this shows is that YOU don't know much about SCSI. SCSI-1 {with a SCSI-1 controler chip} range is indeed 0-5MB/s and that is ALL you have right about SCSI SCSI-1 {With a SCSI-2 controller chip}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit} Note the INCREASE in SPEED, the Mac Quadra uses this version of SCSI-1 so it DOES exist. Some PC use this set up too. SCSI-2 {8-bit/SCSI-1 mode}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst SCSI-2 {16-bit/wide or fast mode}: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst SCSI-2 {32-bit/wide AND fast}: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst By your OWN data the ""Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI"" is correct With a SCSI-2 controller chip SCSI-1 can reach 10MB/s which is indeed ""20% faster than IDE"" {120% of 8.3 is 9.96}. ALL these SCSI facts have been posted to this newsgroup in my Mac & IBM info sheet {available by FTP on sumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6) in the info-mac/report as mac-ibm-compare[version #].txt (It should be 173 but 161 may still be there)} Part of this problem is both Mac and IBM PC are inconsiant about what SCSI is which. Though it is WELL documented that the Quadra has a SCSI-2 chip an Apple salesperson said ""it uses a fast SCSI-1 chip"" {Not at a 6MB/s, 10MB/s burst it does not. SCSI-1 is 5MB/s maximum synchronous and Quadra uses ANsynchronous SCSI which is SLOWER} It seems that Mac and IBM see SCSI-1 interface and think 'SCSI-1' when it maybe a SCSI-1 interface driven in the machine by a SCSi-2 controller chip in 8-bit mode {Which is MUCH FASTER then true SCSI-1 can go}. Don't slam an article because you don't understand what is going on. One reference for the Quadra's SCSI-2 controller chip is (Digital Review, Oct 21, 1991 v8 n33 p8(1)). ";5;1 "Subject: Ovarian cancer treatment centers From: Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 9 A relative of mine has recently been diagnosed with ""stage 3 papillary cell ovarian cancer"". We are urgently seeking the best place in the country for treatment for this. Does anyone have any suggestions? As you might suspect, time is of the essence. Thanks for your help. Bob ";-1;0 "From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) Subject: Re: To be exact, 2.5 million Muslims were exterminated by the Armenians. Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 34 ac = In <9304202017@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) pl = linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) pl: 1. So, did the Turks kill the Armenians? ac: So, did the Jews kill the Germans? ac: You even make Armenians laugh. ac: ""An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the ac: systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of ac: the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at ac: least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The ac: memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and ac: eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in ac: 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."" Typical Mutlu. PvdL asks if X happened, the response is that Y happened. Even if we grant that the Armenians *did* do what Cosar accuses them of doing, this has no bearing on whether the Turks did what they are accused of. While I can understand how an AI could be this stupid, I can't understand how a human could be such a moron as to either let such an AI run amok or to compose such pointless messages himself. I do not expect any followup to this article from Argic to do anything to alleviate my puzzlement. But maybe I'll see a new line from his list of insults. -- /|/-\/-\ This article is supplied without longbox |__/__/_/ and uses recycled 100% words, characters and ideas. |warren@ / nysernet.org ";15;1 "From: ldawes@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Lisa Dawes) Subject: gif aerial maps? Reply-To: ldawes@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Lisa Dawes) Organization: Computer Science Dept. - Univ. of Alabama in Huntsville Lines: 5 Is there an ftp site for maps of the US. Preferably aerial photographs? Thanks ";-1;0 "From: rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney) Subject: Official Rules of Baseball ISBN Organization: Mistress Barbara's Dungeon Palace Lines: 12 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu I am trying to get a copy of the _official_ rules of baseball. Someone once sent me the ISBN number of it, but I have since lost it. Can anyone give me this information, or tell me where I can find the book? None of my local bookstores have it. +---------------------------------------------------+------------------------+ | ""I'm walking home from school, and I'm watching | Jack McKinney | | some men building a new house, and the guy ham- | jmckinney@tamu.edu | | mering on the roof calls me a paranoid little +------------------------+ | weirdo.... in Morse code."" | This space | | -Emo Philips | for rent | +---------------------------------------------------+------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: Change of name ?? Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu Organization: The Group W Bench Lines: 15 In thomasp@ifi.uio.no (Thomas Parsli) writes: > 1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or > talk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY > 2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where).. What does this from NORWAY think he's doing telling us how to run the place? I wanna know... somebody please 'splain. Guess how NORWAY survived the Third Reich? Give you a hint, it wasn't by passive resistance the way the Danes did it.... Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) wearer of asbestos underoos ";-1;0 "From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: *** NeXTstation 8/105 For Sale *** Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.013611.3796 Distribution: usa Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 32 Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu NeXTstation 25MHz 68040 8/105 Moto 56001 DSP Megapixel (perfect - no dimming or shaking) keyboard/mouse (of course :) 2.1 installed 2.1 docs Network and System Administration User's Reference Applications The NeXT Book, by Bruce Webster (New Copy) Black NeXTconnection modem cable 30 HD disks (10 still in unwrapped box, others for backing up apps) I NEED to sell this pronto to get a car (my engine locked up)! Machine runs great... only used in my house. Has been covered when not in use on the days I wasn't around. $2,300 INCLUDING Federal Express Second Day Air, OR best offer, COD to your doorstep (within continental US)!! I need to sell this NOW, so if you don't agree with the price, make an offer, but within reason. ;) Thanks, JT (please no letters asking me to donate for a tax break) ";-1;0 "From: peavler@fingal.plk.af.mil (Ninja Gourmet) Subject: Scarlet Horse of Babylon (was Daemons) Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: fingal.plk.af.mil Keywords: dead horse, Horse of Babylon In article <1qilgnINNrko@lynx.unm.edu>, blowfish@leo.unm.edu (rON.) writes: |> Its easy... |> 667 >is< the neighbor of the beast (at 666)- |> the beast lives at the end of a cul-de-sac. |> r. I noticed this dead horse in your Keywords line. Is this the famous scarlet horse of Babylon that the Beast (that's 666 for you illuminatti) rides on in those wonderful mediaeval manuscripts. If so, I fear your announcement that the old girl is dead may be premature. I bet $20 on her to place in the 6th race at The Downs last Sunday, and she slid in a bad fifth. So she is not dead. She is just comatose. (like god that way, I suppose). Ninja Gourmet Will fight for food. -- Jim Peavler My opinions do not exist. peavler@plk.af.mil That is why they are called Albuquerque, NM MY opinions. ";-1;0 "From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) Subject: Re: Playoff telecasts in Atlanta Organization: UB Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu In article <1q9noa$d90@hsdndev.harvard.edu> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes: >In article Mamatha Devineni Ratnam writes: >> >>Does anyone know if all the Patrick division games are going to be televised >>on ESPN and ABC? If some games are going to be left out(Or blanked out by >>dumb southern ABC affiliates), I was wondering if anyone out there knows >>of any sports bars in Atlanta which are frequented by hockey fans. I don't >>want to miss out on any of the Pens games. I am sure that there are some >>Islander fans(now that the rangers are dead) who would want to watch every >>Pens-Islanders game in Atlanta. > > >Circle Tuesday,April 20th on your TV calendar. ESPN will carry Game#2 >from Pittsburgh's Civic Arena or as they are advetising it : Pittsburgh vs. >4th place Partick Div. finisher. Personally, Bruins-Buffalo or Montreal- >Quebec City is a much better matchup but ESPN is hoping for a spoiler >in the Pens series which it's not likely to get the way Mario has been >playing for the past month or so. I'd personally prefer Buffalo-Boston, as a birthday gift from ESPN, but I don't think the folks at ESPN will accomodate that for me ;-) ESPN has this inexplicable affinity for the Patrick division, it seems. -- Valerie Hammerl ""Some days I have to remind him he's not hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu Mario Lemieux."" Herb Brooks on Claude acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu Lemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu known for taking dumb penalties. ";-1;0 "From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Re: Can Radio Freq. Be Used To Measure Distance? Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 25 In article rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: >I'm wondering if it's possible to use radio waves to measure the >distance between a transmitter(s) and receiver? Yes, you could. >Seems to me that you should be able to measure the signal strength >and determine distance. This would be for short distances (2000 ft), >and I would need to have accuracy of 6 inches, or so. Well, letsee (whipping out HP-48SX, soon to be GX): 6 inches/3*10^8 m/s=.5 nanoseconds resolution. Hmm. That'll be rather difficult! The more standard (read: better) method is to use ultrasound, generally somewhere around 40kHz. Sound travels a heck of a lot slower than light (radio waves), and is therefore much easier to deal with. >What frequencies would be best for this? Or does matter? It might be easiest to visit a hardware store and look at the numerous ""sonic estimator"" type devices that do what you want here. Many are pretty cheap too -- <$30. (In fact, for awhile the Stanley Estimator was selling for something like $8. That's the one I bought! :-) ) ---Joel Kolstad ";-1;0 "From: wolfson@ll.mit.edu (Harry Wolfson) Subject: Re: MacX 1.2 color problem Keywords: mac x color window macx Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Lines: 16 Stan Kerr writes: >When some types of client windows are displayed, parts of the windows >are in the wrong color; if the window is moved slightly, forcing the server >to repaint it, it is repainted in the correct colors. It doesn't happen I have the exact same problem when running Hewlett Packard's Microwave Design System (MDS) from an HP 380 unix box and running MacX 1.2, Sys 7.0.1*. Normally, MDS draws a window with a deep blue backround, but occasionally it becomes a light blue and all the text, etc, inside the window become ""washed out"" (nearly invisible). I thought that it was just something brain dead that I was doing or a subtle conflict with another app or INIT. By slightly moving the window, and forcing a re-draw, the colors get corrected. Harry Wolfson wolfson@ll.mit.edu ";-1;0 "From: dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs) Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist Organization: QNX Software Systems, Ltd. Lines: 73 In article blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes: > >So the question I have is ""HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING""? Tough question -- more dangerous than driving a car, and far more dangerous if you don't apply a modicum of intelligence to the activity. Basically, stupidity will get you hurt/killed a lot faster on a motorcycle than in a car. But with care, it is not unreasonably dangerous. Also, buying good protective clothing is helpful, that way if something does go wrong, you are likely to be less severely injured. First thing, if possible take a (MSF) driver training course, this will get you started on the right foot -- they teach control of the vehicle and safe riding practices. Second, buy protective gear. At minimum a good helmet and a pair of leather gloves are a must. A good sturdy piece of footgear is also very helpful, though leather hiking boots, a pair of old army boots, or something similar works fine for this purpose as long as you make sure the laces stay tied. After those, a leather jacket and leather pants or chaps are nice as well; but these are also expensive items. For the pants, many people consider a good pair of jeans to be reasonable, preferably recent and of a fairly heavy weight. Similarly for a jacket, a good jean jacket is a reasonable compromise, though more people tend to have leather jackets around than pants. Another thing to do is drop in on garage sales looking for a second-hand leather jacket. Look for a fairly thick leather in these items. Third don't do anything stupid -- don't ride after drinking, even one drink can noticeably affect you judgement and balance; don't ride in the snow, or when conditions are such that black ice is likely; be very careful riding in the rain -- slow way down, take corners gingerly, brake early and gently; try not to ride if you are sick, tired, taking any medication with drowsiness warnings, or otherwise not in average shape. With care, you should be ok. >The next question I have is what bike would you recommend for >a first time rider. I don't want to race; nor do I want to >ride cross country; nor do I want to ride on dirt trails. I'll >probably drive it on back roads with occasional rides on city >streets and freeways. The maximum I can spend is about $2500 so >I'll be looking at a used bike. I would suggest mid to late 80's japanese mid-sized standard. Something in 400-650 cc range would probably be reasonable. If you are shorter/lighter than average, you might want to go as low as a 300-400 cc bike. Possible models: The Suzuki GS### series (eg. GS500, GS650, etc.). These are generally inline 4 bikes, generally dependable except for a tendency to weakness in the charging system. (Stator and/or Regulator/Rectifier problems.) My first bike was a (about '82) GS650, it server me well. The Honda Nighthawk series (this may also be known as the CB### series I think). eg. Honda CB450, CB650, etc. This is another series of standard motorcycles. Also fairly dependable. Kawasaki and Yamaha probably have similar bikes, but I don't know them as well. For mid to late '80s models of the above, you should be able to buy the bike for under $2000, leaving you money for protective clothing and insurance and licensing costs. Hope this helps, -David (dagibbs@qnx.com) ";-1;0 "From: schultz@schultz.kgn.ibm.com (Karl Schultz) Subject: Re: VESA standard VGA/SVGA programming??? Reply-To: schultz@vnet.ibm.com Organization: IBM AWS Graphics Systems Keywords: vga Lines: 45 |> 1. How VESA standard works? Any documentation for VESA standard? The VESA standard can be requested from VESA: VESA 2150 North First Street, Suite 440 San Jose, CA 95131-2029 Ask for the VESA VBE and Super VGA Programming starndards. VESA also defines local bus and other standards. The VESA standard only addresses ways in which an application can find out info and capabilities of a specific super VGA implementation and to control the video mode selection and video memory access. You still have to set your own pixels. |> 2. At a higher resolution than 320x200x256 or 640x480x16 VGA mode, |> where the video memory A0000-AFFFF is no longer sufficient to hold |> all info, what is the trick to do fast image manipulation? I |> heard about memory mapping or video memory bank switching but know |> nothing on how it is implemented. Any advice, anyone? VESA defines a ""window"" that is used to access video memory. This window is anchored at the spot where you want to write, and then you can write as far as the window takes you (usually 64K). Windows have granularities, so you can't just anchor them anywhere. Also, some implementations allow two windows. |> 3. My interest is in 640x480x256 mode. Should this mode be called |> SVGA mode? What is the technique for fast image scrolling for the |> above mode? How to deal with different SVGA cards? This is VESA mode 101h. There is a Set Display Start function that might be useful for scrolling. |> Your guidance to books or any other sources to the above questions |> would be greatly appreciated. Please send me mail. Your best bet is to write VESA for the info. There have also been announcements on this group of VESA software. -- Karl Schultz schultz@vnet.ibm.com These statements or opinions are not necessarily those of IBM ";-1;0 "From: matt@physics16.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern) Subject: Re: The state of justice Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group) Lines: 14 <1993Apr15.170239.8211@hemlock.cray.com> <1qn73aINNmq9@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: physics16.berkeley.edu In-reply-to: jfc@athena.mit.edu's message of 16 Apr 1993 21:05:46 GMT In article <1qn73aINNmq9@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes: > I recommend the book ""Adams _v_ Texas"", the story of a man (Adams) who > was sentenced to death for a crime he didn't commit. Most of the book > is the story of the long appeals process, and the problems and delays > caused by not being able to introduce new evidence in certain courts. And I recommend the movie _The Thin Blue Line_, which is about the same case. Not as much legal detail, but still an excellent film. It shows how very easy it is to come up with seemingly conclusive evidence against someone whom you think is guilty. -- Matthew Austern Maybe we can eventually make language a matt@physics.berkeley.edu complete impediment to understanding. ";18;1 "From: MAILRP%ESA.BITNET@vm.gmd.de Subject: message from Space Digest X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 58 Joint Press release ESA/UN No 18-93 Paris, 19 April 1993 UN/ESA joint training course on satellite applications to be held in Italy, 19-30 April The United Nations and the European Space Agency (ESA) are jointly organising a training course on the applications of satellite data gathered by the European Remote Sensing Satellite (ERS-1), to be held in Frascati, Italy, from 19 to 30 April. The training course will discuss the applications of satellite data concerning natural resources, renewable energy and the environment. The training course, organised for the benefit of francophone African experts, will be hosted by ESRIN, the European Space Agency's establishment in Frascati, which is responsible for coordination with the users of data from ESA's remote sensing satellite. Twenty-four experts in the field of remote sensing, selected from 19 francophone countries from northern, western and central Africa, and three regional African centres, will attend the two-week session. The course will focus on remote sensing techniques and data applications, particularly ERS-1 data. The ERS-1 satellite, developed by ESA and launched in 1991 with the European Ariane launcher, carries an advanced radar instrument and is the first in a series of radar remote sensing missions that will ensure availability of data beyond the year 2000. The aim of the training course is to increase the potential of experts using the practical applications of radar remote sensing systems to natural resources, renewable energy and the environment, with particular emphasis on applications to geology and mineral prospecting, oceanography and near- coastal areas, agriculture, forestry and meteorology. The education and practical training programme was developed jointly by the United Nations and ESA. The facilities and the technical support, as well as lecturers and information documents for the training course, will be provided by the Agency. Lecturers at the training course will include high-level experts from other European and African organisations active in remote sensing applications. Funds for the training course are being provided by the United Nations Trust Fund for New and Renewable Sources of Energy; the primary contributor to that Fund is the Government of Italy. A similar training course is being planned for Latin American experts. ";-1;0 "From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Dir Yassin In-Reply-To: aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 18:48:15 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University Lines: 34 From _Myths and Facts_, by Leonard J. Davis, Near East Research Inc., 1989: [pp. 108-109] ""Unlike the PLO's almost exclusive focus on civilian targets, the 100 troups from the Irgun and Stern group that struck at Deir Yassin on April 10, 1948, targeted the village for its military importance. Deir Yassin was on the road to Jerusalem, which the Arabs had blockaded, and it housed Iraqi troups and Palestinian irregulars. Snipers based in Deir Yassin were a constant threat to Jewish citizens in Jerusalem. ""Arab civilians were killed at Deir Yassin, but that attack does not conform to the propaganda picture that the Arabs have tried to paint. The number of Arabs killed was generally reported to be about 250. In 1983, however, Eric Silver of _The Guardian_ (Britain) interviewed a survivor, Mophammed Sammour, who testified that 116 out of a population of 800-1000 were killed. 'About three days after the massacre,' Sammour explained, 'representatives of each of the five clans in Deir Yassin met at the Moslem offices in Jerusalem and made a list of the people who had not been found (alive). We went through the names. Nothing has happend since 1948 to make me think this figure was wrong.' ""Unlike the PLO's deliberate attacks on civilians, the killing of civilians at Deir Yassin was not premeditated. The attackers left open an escape corridor from the village and more than 200 residents left unharmed. After the remaining Arabs feigned surrender and then fired on the Jewish troops, some of the attackers killed Arab soldiers and civilians indiscriminately. Independent observers told _The Guardian_ that among the bodies they found Arab men disguised as women."" ";-1;0 "From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: 666 - MARK OF THE BEAST - NEED INFO Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 15 On a slightly different note: There are two buildings in NY state with big 666 numbers on the roof :) One in Manhattan and one near Garden City. The Garden City one is a nice black unmarked building... -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . ";19;1 "From: nash@biologysx.lan.nrc.ca (John Nash) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: 132.246.164.10 Organization: National Research Council of Canada Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr15.135941.16105@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) writes: >From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) >Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 13:59:41 GMT >In article <1993Apr14.122647.16364@tms390.micro.ti.com>, david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas) writes: [lots of editing out of previuos posts] >Here is another anecdotal story. I am a picky eater and never wanted to >try chinese food, however, I finally tried some in order to please a >girl I was seeing at the time. I had never heard of Chinese restaurant >syndrome. A group of us went to the restaurant and all shared 6 different >dishes. It didn't taste great, but I decided it wasn't so bad. We went >home and went to bed early. I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs. >I threw up for so long that (I'm not kidding) I pulled a muscle in >my tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I'm >not allergic to anything that I know of. >Suffice to say that I wont go into a chinese restaurant unless I am >physically threatened. The smell of the food makes me ill (and that *is* >a psycholgical reaction). When I have been dragged in to suffer >through beef and broccoli without any sauces, I insist on no MSG. >I haven't gotten sick yet. Funny about that... my wife (my girlfriend at the time) used to get sick after eating certain foods at various Asian restaurants, and never knew why. She'd go pale, and sweaty and then vomit copiously. A couple of us ventured a connection with MSG, and her response was: ""MSG? What's that?"". It also happened when she pigged out on some brands of savoury crackers and chips... which I noticed (later) had MSG on the label. Don't know about double blinds, but avoiding MSG has stopped her being sick at restaurants. cheers, John John Nash | Email: Nash@biologysx.lan.nrc.ca. Institute for Biological Sciences, | National Research Council of Canada, Cell Physiology Group. | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. *** Disclaimer: All opinions are mine, not NRC's! *** ";-1;0 "From: cs012055@cs.brown.edu (Hok-Chung Tsang) Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr5.230808.581 Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept. Lines: 51 In article , fredd@shuksan (Fred Dickey) writes: |> CarolinaFan@uiuc (cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: |> : I have been active in defending Saturn lately on the net and would |> : like to state my full opinion on the subject, rather than just reply to others' |> : points. |> : |> : The biggest problem some people seem to be having is that Saturn |> : Dealers make ~$2K on a car. I think most will agree with me that the car is |> : comparably priced with its competitors, that is, they aren't overpriced |> : compared to most cars in their class. I don't understand the point of |> : arguing over whether the dealer makes the $2K or not? |> |> I have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either. |> The only thing that I can figure out is that people believe that if |> they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out-of-pocket |> expenses for the car. While this may be true in some cases, I do not |> believe that it is generally true. I bought a Saturn SL in January of '92. |> AT THAT TIME, based on studying car prices, I decided that there was |> no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the Saturn. Sure, maybe I |> could have talked the price for some other car to the Saturn price, but |> my out-of-pocket expenses wouldn't have been any different. What's important |> to me is how much money I have left after I buy the car. REDUCING DEALER PROFIT |> IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAVING MONEY! Show me how reducing dealer profit |> saves me money, and I'll believe that it's important. My experience has |> been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money. |> |> Fred Say, you bought your Saturn at $13k, with a dealer profit of $2k. If the dealer profit is $1000, then you would only be paying $12k for the same car. So isn't that saving money? Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000, then their cars will be even better deals. Say, if the price of a Saturn was already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average. It will: 1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY. 2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive. Now, not only will Saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit, even the buyers for other cars will pay less. Isn't that saving money? $0.02, doug. ";-1;0 "From: kennu@mits.mdata.fi (Kenneth Falck) Subject: Re: CView answers Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service Nntp-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi Lines: 32 In article bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes: >In <1993Apr17.113223.12092@imag.fr> schaefer@imag.imag.fr (Arno Schaefer) writes: > >>Sorry, Bryan, this is not quite correct. Remember the VGALIB package that comes >>with Linux/SLS? It will switch to VGA 320x200x256 mode *without* Xwindows. >>So at least it is *possible* to write a GIF viewer under Linux. However I don't >>think that there exists a similar SVGA package, and viewing GIFs in 320x200 is >>not very nice. > >No, VGALIB? Amazing.. I guess it was lost in all those subdirs :-) >Thanks for correcting me. It doesn't sound very appealing though, only >320x200? I'm glad it wasn't something major I missed. Tommy Frandsen's VGAlib (which is probably what you're talking about) will do the standard VGA modes, some tweaked modes and then the Tseng ET4000 Super VGA modes. I have an ET4000 and I'm viewing GIF's at 640x480/256 (I have a lousy/small monitor) with dpg-view on Linux. I think I had to change some constants in the dpg-view sources to make it use the ET4k modes. VGAlib's sources seem to be designed for easy addition of new Super VGA support; each mode is an array of register values and there's a program that dumps an array declaration of this kind describing the current mode. Haven't tried it though... (Btw, my version of VGAlib is 1.2.) -- kennu@mits.mdata.fi Try Linux, a free UNIX by Linus Torvalds for 386+'s. Read comp.os.linux (or ask me by email if you like) for more information. You can run X11, TeX, GNU EMACS and much more on top of a nice POSIX environment. ";-1;0 "From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) Subject: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu Summary: query Keywords: Saturn, Subaru, manual, automatic The biggest hurdle for automatics (IMHO) is not shifting speed per se, but rather the transmission's reaction speed when you try to force it to shift manually. This was the biggest fault with the Subaru ECVT -- it took SOOOOOO LONNNNNNNNGGGGG for the tranny to find the right ratio. The sales propaganda says the Saturn automatic is effectively an electronically-shifted manual. Might this mean that Saturn has conquered the problem? (I dunno, only driven Saturn 5-speeds) INPUT, PLEASE! Another question: Any plans for a manual-trans Chrysler LH? Does anyone else out there fall asleep at night dreaming of this combo? ";-1;0 "From: HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com Subject: Re: Need a book Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering Lines: 37 In article bassili@cs.arizona.edu (Amgad Z. Bassili) writes: > >I appreciate if anyone can point out some good books about the dead sea >scrolls of Qumran. Thanks in advance. > >Please reply by e-mail at Ok boys & girls, hang on; here we go! Christ's Eternal Gospel Robinson & Robinson The Dead Sea Scrolls & the NT WS LaSor James the Just in Habakkuk Pesher RH Eisenman Maccabees ... Quamran RH Eisenman Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered Eisenman & Wise Dead Sea Scrolls Deception Baigent & Leigh Jesus & Riddle of Dead Sea Scrolls B Thiering Jesus Scroll D Joyce Happy Reading & welcome aboard A poor Wayfaring Stranger [some say, a Strange One] in a strange land, +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Disclaimer: Not my employer's opinion; probably | | not your's either; and | | only mine, when authorized! | | | | Try: Roger_Holfeltz@stortek.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ [Note that this list covers quite a variety of views. As such it's probably a good one. But if you want to read just one book, beware that a couple of the books on that list represent views that are, shall we say, unusual. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Distribution: na Lines: 99 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be ""the truth"" so no > flames, please. It is incompetent, like almost anything you have posted here, so you'll be flamed, sorry. > It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior > corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies. %/$( your ""20 years of background in two Fortune 50 companies""; I've lived 30 years under a totalitarian regime, and boy, I *can* recognize a totalitarian plot when I see one... > I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if > they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to I am sure that -you- would be happy to use anything ""they"" tell you is secure; we're talking about the intelligent people here... Or the criminal ones, if you don't like the previous sentence... :-) Or those who don't want their privacy to be guaranteed to be invadable by the government - any current and future government, mind you... > I'd be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about > the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly > satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms). Even if you ignore the nonsense of the above statement for a moment, and even if you are happy with such system and the current escrow agencies NOW, what guarantees that you'll be happy with them TOMORROW, when the government changes? Or when the current government throws away the sheep skin? All the sheep who are reasoning like you will get caught by surprise, but it will be too late, because then cryptography that is not guaranteed to be breakable by the government will already have been outlawed... After all, you've already got privacy that is said to be breakable only by the law enforcement agencies, so if you are law-abiding, you have no reasons to use a stronger one, right? So, if you are using a stronger one, you have something to hide from the law enforcement agencies, right? Something unlawful, right? Therefore, strong crypto is a clear idndication that you are doing something unlawful. > I'd trust the NSA or the President if they stated there were no trap Considering the level of competence in cryptology that you have demonstrated in your messages, you would trust just anything... And no, this is not an ad hominem attack; it's an attack against the contents of your messages . > doors--I'd be even happier if a committee of independent experts examined > the thing under seal of secrecy and reported back that it was secure. And how do you know that these experts are not corrupted? And how do you know that they will not make a mistake? And how do you know that the version of the algorithm they will be let to examine is the same as the one that will be really used? Regarding the mistake - even the few information ""they"" have let out has revealed a serious security hole in the protocol - the 80-bit key is split in two 40-bit ones, thus the whole system is easily breakable, if you have only one of the keys. > I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from some > Swiss or anybody Japanese. The Swiss or the Japanese are motivated by simple greed; NSA is motivated by their wish to control the people. That's why the drug dealers have their accounts in Swiss banks, instead of in American ones. For some reason, they do trust the Swiss banks more... Guess they'll trust the Swiss encryption more too... I see IDEA becoming suddenly popular... :-) > This may seem surprising to some here, but I suggest most corporations would > feel the same way. Most/many/some (pick one) corporations have an attitude > that the NSA is part of our government and ""we support our government"", as > one very famous CEO put it to me one day. It's not surprising at all, but not because of the reason you give. It's because it is obvious that the US government has put a lot of money behind this program and it will support it. Thus, most corporations will try to get their piece from the pie by supporting it too. The same good old greed. Strong encryption is not widely available now not because of some plot, but because the companies don't see much money in it. It will be available even less, if the companies can see any penalties associated with it... > Just some perspective from another point of view. Yeah, just as I predicted, you are here again, to support the new system. Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany ";16;1 "From: mwchiu@tigr.org (Man-Wai Chiu) Subject: Xm1.2.1 and OW server Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 43 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu We have a program written with X11R5 and Motif 1.2.1. It runs fine on the Sun X11R5 server and MacX. When that program is run under the Sparc 2 and the OW server, the program crashed itself along with the server. It crashed before the first window had showed up. I got the following error from X. XIO: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) on X server ""perot:0.0"" after 62 requests (59 known processed) with 0 events remaining. The connection was probably broken by a server shutdown or KillClient. I have run the program with xmon and below is the last twenty lines or so from xmon before both the program and server crashed. ............REQUEST: GetProperty delete: False window: WIN 00900001 property: ATM 00000074 type: ATM 00000074 long-offset: 00000000 ..............REPLY: GetProperty format: 00 type: bytes-after: 00000000 ............REQUEST: GetInputFocus ..............REPLY: GetInputFocus revert-to: Parent focus: WIN 0040000d ............REQUEST: ChangeProperty mode: Replace window: WIN 00900001 property: ATM 00000074 type: ATM 00000074 format: 08 data: 42 00 00 01 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 75 00 00 00 00 ............REQUEST: GetInputFocus Please email to me if you have any idea of the above problem. Thanks in advance. -- MW Chiu mwchiu@tigr.org ";-1;0 "From: saeid@ug.cs.dal.ca (Saeid 'the last frontier') Subject: Sending a Null character across Ethernet Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 10 I have a question regarding sending a NULL character across ethernet connection. The actual problem is that emacs (Unix editior) needs the NULL character for setting a mark and unfortunately we don't know how to sent that from IBM PCs across ethernet. I am wondering if anyboy knows the keyboard combination for sending the NULL character. BTW control,shift 2 which Ctrl @ does not work. Thanks Saeid ";-1;0 "From: sheehan@aludra.usc.edu (Joseph Sheehan) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 120 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu Summary: Lopez is better than current Brave catchers! Keywords: Solid != good >In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: >>In article <1993Apr5.151834.14257@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: I'm still catching up from Spring Break, but bear with me... >in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball. We >certainly believe this kid is going to be very good some day, but >there is really no need to rush him, especially since we have a mega- >million dollar staff that is probably well served by a battery-mate >who is expereienced in game calling and pitcher handling. Lopez' >time will come. Let's give him some time in AAA. Javy Lopez has proven, over 1400+ AB in the minor leagues, that he is ready to play in the majors. He is *not* being rushed. Players who are clearly too good for AA and play behind stiffs at the major league level are wasting their time, and may actually have a court case against major league management for keeping them, at AAA. >No. Maybe I need to improve my writing skills. Lopez, who is very >ordinary defensively, is not likely to hit so well at age 22 > Unless Lopez is *me* defensively (I'm 5'7'', 165 and born to play second base :-)), he belongs in the major leagues. >>training. What does he have to do to earn a chance? Maybe not a full >>time job, but at least a couple starts and a few AB for him to prove >>his worth? > >Gee. I don't know. 17 abs sounds pretty good to me! About as good >as your reasoning that the kid should play a back-up role rather >than start every day at AAA. Talk about *me* as a GM... Valentine isn't saying he should back up. He's saying he should be put in a position to *win* the job in the major leagues, which, IMHO, he would if given the opportunity. (Val, if I'm misinterpreting, please let me know.) >>So far you have come up with two arguments against Lopez: >>1) He is very ordinary defensively. >>2) He is young, and most players suck when they are young. > >>The first is irrelevant. He's trying to make the majors with his bat. >>And the second involves seriously warped reasoning. >> >>-Valentine >OK. Most players are not ready for the bigs at age 22 (see current >related posting on Clayton, one of my favorites). Most players >benefit, rather than being stagnant or hurt, by playing at AAA. >Most catchers need to be solid defensively players to help their >clubs in the bigs. Those are the arguments against Lopez for the >Braves for this year. But the players who *are* ready are 1)the best and 2) the ones most likely to benefit from being in the majors. Javy Lopez is not a middle- of-the-road prospect. He's the real thing. NOW. Again, the most important thing a player can do is hit. Lopez does that miles better than Olson or Berryhill. If his defense is good enough for Greenville, or Richmond, it's good enough for Atlanta. If he really was awful defensively, he would no longer be a catcher. See Sprague, Ed. >Now. The Braves have two catchers who have demonstrated solid >abilities to call games, to work with the pitchers, to throw out >runners. Not superstars mind you, but solid, experienced veterans. >The Braves have a very solid lineup with two big bats in the >outfield, an excellent platoon at first, a solid MVP candidate >at third and one of the better hitting shortstops. The center >field platoon will probably hit .300. However good Lopez' >what they have to offset the differential in experience and >defensive ability. The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, and >he probably won't being a reserve with the big club. Oh, where to start... OK. First of all, solid != good. I want good players. Solid is one of those words used to describe nice white guys who really aren't very good at baseball. Think of it as ""TWG"" without the caps. It's a losing strategy to say, ""We have solid guys, we don't need to improve."" You used it four times in that paragraph, BTW. Same for experienced. I might add, though, that Greg Olson and Damon Berryhill aren't exactly Carter and Fisk. Olson has played three years, Berryhill five, although 90 and 91 were a wash. The only difference, IMHO, between Olson and Valle is the supporting cast. ""Two big bats."" Hrm. I like Justice, but I find Mr. Gant's trend disturbing. Call it one and a maybe. The Braves' platoon is OK, but neither player has *any* value outside of the platoon. Bream vs. LH and Hunter vs. RH are awful. I'll leave the thirdbase comment alone. Pendleton has wasted too much bandwidth already. If the CF platoon hits .300, I'll retrace Mr. Likhani's midnight run down Forbes, and I live in NY and LA. (Got that, Mike?) And doesn't Cox call pitches, anyway? >goodness. Do you believe the other poster who thinks Lopez >is being held down because of his future earning potential? >Why on earth do you people thinkthe Braves made this decision? >Are they idiots who have built this ballclub? Jeeeesh... Nope. They're baseball management, possible the most short-sighted collection of people in the nation. Do you not believe this goes on, Mark? Do you think Frank Thomas needed those three months in AAA in 1990? Or Cal Eldred wasn't *really* better than Ricky Bones last year? >And *I'm* the treasure... You're mostly polite; make defensible, if flawed cases; have wit and have, in the past, admitted being wrong. That does qualify you on r.s.b. We'll make an SDCN out of you, yet :-) >-- The Beastmaster >Mark Singer >mss@netcom.com -- sheehan@aludra.usc.edu ""...Greg Gohr, pitching more like Voice: 213 743 0456 Tipper Gore, I'm afraid...""-- Linda Cohn, SportsCenter 4/8/93 ";-1;0 "From: jlz@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Jian Zhen) Subject: computer stuff for sale Organization: Purdue University Lines: 93 COMPUTER HARDWARE ( all are working fine last time checked ) Tandy 360k external floppy drive with cable (hardly used) ..................... $70 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- SOFTWARE ( all software include original manual ) ( some even with registeration card. ) Per$onal Financial Accountant - financial statements - balance sheet - income & expense - etc ... ......................... $8 Ainsworth Keyboard Trainer (typing teacher) ............. $8 Easy Working Tri-Pack (includes following ... ) - Filer -- database to store all kinds of information - Planner -- Spreadsheet - Writer -- an easy to use word processor - great for simple calculations, work processing..etc. .................. $8 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BOOKS Inside the Norton Utilities, Revised and Expanded - by Brady Books - authored by Rob Krumm - Introduction by Peter Norton, maker of Norton utilities - Includes detachable Quick Reference Card to Norton utilities - shows you how to get the most from * The Norton Utilities - Standard Edition * The Norton Utilities - Advanced Edition * Norton Commander (1.0 - 3.0) * Norton Editor * Norton Disk Doctor * Plus the Peter Norton On-Line Guides - ""The only book that does full justice to the power and variety of all the Norton Utility software"" - Peter Norton - Price originally was $24.95 asking .................................. $14.95 Turbo Pascal Express revised (one disk) - 250+ ready-to-run assembly language routines that make turbo pascal faster, more powerful, and easier to use - equipment determination routines and access to expanded memory - extensive keyboard and mouse input functions - extremely fast video facilities, including text-graphics routines for fancy menus and windows - routines for bit operations and data compression - routines for elaborate printer control, formatting, and error recovery - powerful routines for searching directory trees and displaying tree diagrams - detailed information about writing other assembly routines for assembly language programmers - original price was $39.95 asking ........................ $22.95 Hard Disk Power w/ The Jamsa Disk Utilities (two disks) - complete guide to hard disk efficiency - power techniques for maximum PC performance - understand how your hard disk works - beneath the surface - original price was $39.95 asking ........................ $22.95 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * Prices does not include shipping * Prices are negotiable Please contact Jian at 1(317)495-3732 or E-mail to JLZ@SONATA.CC.PURDUE.EDU (preferred) if you are interested. -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jian Liang Zhen | Lifeforms are extinct on other planets because | | jlz@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | their science is more advanced than ours. | |____________/---| DOS < WINDOWS < DESQview = OS/2 < UNIX |---\_____________| ";-1;0 "From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) Subject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 43 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov Originator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov |> (2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered) |> |> Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains |> Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item |> to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() |> (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new |> item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler that handles |> ""regular"" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven exposures) take care |> of rendering the new image. Using an expose event handler is a ""proper"" way |> to do this because at the time the handler is called, the Xlib Window is |> guaranteed to be mapped. |> |> The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window |> is already visible and mapped. What we need to do is somehow ""tickle"" the |> Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable |> it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item. |> |> What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior? If I understand your problem correctly, you want to have a way to send exposures to your manager widget when your app-specific code draws xlib graphics on the window. It sounds like you might want to send an exposure using XSendEvent and specifying a region. If you know the region you need to send the exposure, generally you have the bounding rectangle of the objects, you can use XCreateRegion to create a region, XUnionRectWithRegion to add the new object polygons to the region, and then either use the region to clip your GC for the redraw or use XRectInRegion to test which of your other objects need to be redrawn. Keeping in mind that the stacking order of overlapping objects affects how they look. Hope it helps -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan ";-1;0 "From: h8902939@hkuxa.hku.hk (Abel) Subject: Developable Surface Nntp-Posting-Host: hkuxa.hku.hk Organization: The University of Hong Kong X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 9 Hi netters, I am currently doing some investigations on ""Developable Surface"". Can anyone familiar with this topic give me some information or sources which can allow me to find some infomation of developable surface? Thanks for your help! Abel h8902939@hkuxa.hku.hk ";1;1 "From: ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 49 R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes: >In article >cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: > >>laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss) writes: >> >>>From article <1pq6i2$a1f@news.ysu.edu>, by ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker): >>>> >> >>>> Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. >>>> Any gold trim. >> >>> These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake >>>continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies >>>try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion >>>in the way. >>> Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a ""Cadillac"" Cimarron, with >>>all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*. >>>Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw... >> >> I have seen a cutlass Supreme coupe (GM10) with a vinyl roof, ditto >>a Taurus. Shoot the owners, NOW, before it's too late. >> > It gets better. I've seen them on a 4-door escort, Chevy S-10 >Blazer, and even a Chevy astro mini-van. A mini-van w/ a fake >convertible top is not something you want to see just after eating! > And better yet..There's a chevette in town with wire crome wheels, vinyl roof, tacky paint job and a continental spare (showing the wire crome wheel within, of course)...I'm scared to look on the inside and have only seen it rolling down the road...and I too was glad I hadn't just ate. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Bob Martel | Lady luck must have been a wonderful girl >bob2@cua3.csuohio.edu | -She's never been a friend of mine! >R1004@vmcms.csuohio.edu | The Alan Parsons Project > | The 3B1 lives! >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris T. Ward DoD#0710 ""Don't take life too seriously, you can never come out of it alive."" -? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: 35002_2765@uwovax.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Stop predicting Organization: University of Western Ont, London Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.uwo.ca Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr16.060010.10012@ncsu.edu>, cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) writes: > > It is really annoying to see all of these > predictions on the Net. Who really cares > who you think will win? Please stop with > the predictions, we all know the Caps are > going to win the Cup, so let it go at that. > > In the words of Doktor Kultur, in the Ottawa Citizen, ""Remember to unhook the Nitrous Oxide before you leave the Dentist Chair!"" 8^) GO JETS (for once, in the playoffs, please, I beg of you...) Paul Badertscher 35002_2765@uwovax.uwo.ca ";-1;0 "From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) Subject: Squaw lift tickets available for $32 each Distribution: ba Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 14 POSTING FOR A FRIEND- I do not have these tickets. Interested parties can call John at (408) 522-1904 for more information. There are three lift tickets and they are good for anytime this season at Squaw Valley ski resort. -- Doug Fierro |\ UTS System Software O __________|_\______ CASE tools development \_.______________________| * * * * * * * * */ fierro@uts.amdahl.com __\____ |=================/ (408)746-7102 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";-1;0 "From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr13.104856.25246@lclark.edu>, snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes: > In article gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: > >In article <15283@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # ##For a while, homosexuals paid higher insurance rates than straights, # ##and with very good reason, until the government made it illegal to # ##do so. # # Well if we go by this philosophy how many Children do you think # we help pay for with our insurance premiums??? Children who obviously # cannot be afforded, since the insurance companies have to pay for # all of the prenatal and birthing..... What about the children born # with horrible flaws who cost the system an arm and a leg to be kept alive? # We all pay because we are all part of this society and we should take # care of one another..... Oddly enough, dependent coverage costs a bit more than for one self alone. But if you really believe your claims, you could make a lot of money starting the ""Homosexuals Health Insurance Co."" and refuse to insure ""breeders."" But I shudder to think what your premiums will be like. # Bil Snodgrass III -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. ";-1;0 "From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee) Subject: Re: transparent widgets--how? Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com In article AA16720@ntep2.ntep.tmg.nec.co.jp, cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.JP (Alexander Cerna (SV)) writes: >I need to write an application which does annotation notes >on existing documents. The annotation could be done several >times by different people. The idea is something like having >several acetate transparencies stacked on top of each other >so that the user can see through all of them. I've seen >something like this being done by the oclock client. >Could someone please tell me how to do it in Xt? >Thank you very much. The oclock widget was written using the SHAPE extension. You can do the same in your widgets. Few current widgets support SHAPE, so you'll have to subclass them to add that functionality. --- Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com ";-1;0 "From: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware) Subject: Typewriter w/computer interface Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC Lines: 17 Distribution: usa Reply-To: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: erex.east.sun.com I have the following item for sale: Electronic Typewriter: Panasonic KT-32, with 22K memory, small LCD display. I'm selling it bundled with a Panasonic computer interface (RPK105) for this typewriter. You can connect it to any PC parallel port (sorry, no cable). It works perfect, even in Windows (TTY printer). It's great if you need to send letter with ""typewriter look"". In stand-alone mode it has 3 pitches, and several ""effects"" like underline, bold, overstrike. Built-in dictionary and character/word/ line correction. Asking $150 for both the typewriter and the interface ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jorge Lach Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation Jorge.Lach@East.Sun.Com East Coast Division, Chelmsford, MA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: david-s@hsr.no (David A. Sjoen) Subject: 'Moody Monthly' and 'Moody' the same? Organization: Rogaland University Centre Lines: 15 Are 'Moody Monthly' and 'Moody' the same magazine (name change in recent years)? If not: Could someone post the address to 'Moody Monthly'? :)avid -- __________________ ___________________________________________________ | David A. Sjoen |""My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they | | Gulaksveien 4 | follow me; and I give them life eternal; and they | | N-4017 STAVANGER | shall never perish, and no one shall seize them | | Norway | out of my hand."" John 10:27-29 | `------------------'---------------------------------------------------' E-MAIL: david-s@hsr.no (Rogaland University Centre, Norway) ";-1;0 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr23.103038.27467@bnr.ca> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes: >|> ... a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer ... > >This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could >someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? If I'm not mistaken, this is the usual sort of precaution against loss of communications. That timer is counting down continuously; if it ever hits zero, that means Galileo hasn't heard from Earth in a suspiciously long time and it may be Galileo's fault... so it's time to go into a fallback mode that minimizes chances of spacecraft damage and maximizes chances of restoring contact. I don't know exactly what-all Galileo does in such a situation, but a common example is to switch receivers, on the theory that maybe the one you're listening with has died. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";-1;0 "From: stusoft@hardy.u.washington.edu (Stuart Denman) Subject: Re: 3D2 files - what are they? Article-I.D.: shelley.1rft1nINNc7s Organization: University of Washington Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu doug@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Doug Parsons) writes: >I was chaining around in the anonymous ftp world looking for 3D Studio >meshes and other interesting graphical stuff for the program, and found >a few files with the extension 3D2. My 3DS v2.01 doesn't know this type >of file, so what are they? They are 3D object files for CAD 3D 2.0, a program written by Tom Hudson for the Atari ST computers. Don't know much more about them except that they are stored with the points first, then the surfaces are next, and are made by listing 3 point numbers that make up the triangle surface. Then there's a header that describes coloring, lighting, etc. Don't know much more than this, hope this helps. Stuart Denman stusoft@u.washington.edu ";1;1 "From: jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) Subject: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Summary: (We need privacy chips for phones, not computer-bound station)_ Article-I.D.: agora.C5qy3M.DE3 Organization: Open Communications Forum Lines: 48 Since the wiretap chip is being distributed internationally, allowing the U.S. government to spy on foreign governments, companies and people as as well as to wiretap domestic citizens, this is a world-wide issue. Please put DISTRIBUTION: WORLD on the Distrubution: line. Thank you. ygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes: >However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who >cares about the clipper chip? You don't care that people are being lied to, fooled into believing the chip gives ""privacy"" when it fact it allows wiretaps? You don't give a shit about anybody's privacy except your own? (And not even your own; are you so smart that you know when you're talking to somebody who has a wiretap chip on their phone instead of a privacy chip with private keys?) >attitude that everyone else should have. Instead of worrying about a >clipper chip, simply connect your handset to your computer and feed >the voice single through, process, encrypt, and transmit over the >phone. The guy on the other hand then does the same in reverse. ""Simply?"" ""Everyone"" should have this attitude? The only people who can have this attitude are the most hard-core computer hackers, who never make phone calls away from their computer, who apparently never call anybody except another computer hacker, or perhaps another spook (U.S. classified agents refuse to use their own system, only oblivious civilian dupes get that dubious privilege). Only spooks and hard-core hackers need privacy, huh? We *do* need an alternative to NSA-bugged telephones, but we're talking inexpensive *telephones* here, including hand-sized cellulars, that need strong crypto, real privacy. Make-shift computer hacker rigs that require living by your computer to talk privately over the phone are just a dumb stunt that doesn't do anything for anybody's privacy in the real world. What we need is a true *privacy chip*. For example, a real-time voice-encryption RSA, put it into a silicon compiler and spit out ASIC. Put this chip on the market as a de facto standard for international business, diplomats, and private communications. If the U.S. bans it, we make it somewhere else and import it. The Japanese, German, Dutch, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. electronics companies don't want the NSA spying on them. U.S. workers lose more jobs to government fascist stupidity. jhart@agora.rain.com ";-1;0 "From: Nanci Ann Miller Subject: Re: It's all Mary's fault! Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) writes: > Nice attempt Chris . . . verrry close. > > You missed the conspiracy by 1 step. Joseph knew who knocked her up. > He couldn't let it be known that somebody ELSE got ol' Mary prego. That > wouldn't do well for his popularity in the local circles. So what > happened is that she was feeling guilty, he was feeling embarrassed, and > THEY decided to improve both of their images on what could have otherwise > been the downfall for both. Clever indeed. Come to think of it . . . I > have gained a new respect for the couple. Maybe Joseph and Mary should > receive all of the praise being paid to jesus. Lucky for them that the baby didn't have any obvious deformities! I could just see it now: Mary gets pregnant out of wedlock so to save face she and Joseph say that it was God that got her pregnant and then the baby turns out to be deformed, or even worse, stillborn! They'd have a lot of explaining to do.... :-) > Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller > How is that one 'o keeper of the nicknames ? Nanci ......................................................................... If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu): Life does not cease to be funny when people die, any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. ";-1;0 "From: moore@halley.est.3m.com (Richard Moore) Subject: Using message passing with XtAddInput Organization: 3M Company, 3M Center, Minnesota, USA Distribution: comp.windows.x Lines: 7 In the past, I have used named pipes to communicate between processes using the XtAddInput function to set up the event handling in Motif. Does anybody know of a way to do this with message passing ( IPC ) ? I tried it here and no luck so far. Thanks ";-1;0 "From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu reimer@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu (Paul E. Reimer) writes: |There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some |regulation to try to combat this. When I got my drivers license, I HAD |to take a drivers safety class. I HAVE to be licensed to drive. My car |MUST be registered. I MUST (at least where I live) have liability |insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an |accident with it). Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration |of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for |gun owners. As I'm sure others will have pointed out to you by now, none of the above measures are required for you *on your own property*. You do not have to have a license, your car does not have to be registered or inspected, and you do not have to have insurance or safety training classes, when you own and operate that vehicle on your own premises. If you are going to make use of this dubious analogy, at least make it accurate. And by the way, in Texas you can drive a car in public (with the proper credentials), but an ordinary civilian can't carry a gun legally in public to save his/her life. So I won't even consider registration, *manadatory* safety classes, or *manadatory* liability insurance unless I get a federal law repealing all local, state, and federal gun control laws which abridge the Second Amendment, and a non-discretionary federal weapons carry permit, good anywhere in the United States. Come on, you wanted the analogy. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * ";3;1 "From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) Subject: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 25 Suppose the Soviets had managed to get their moon rocket working and had made it first. They could have beaten us if either: * Their rocket hadn't blown up on the pad thus setting them back, and/or * A Saturn V went boom. If they had beaten us, I speculate that the US would have gone head and done some landings, but we also would have been more determined to set up a base (both in Earth Orbit and on the Moon). Whether or not we would be on Mars by now would depend upon whether the Soviets tried to go. Setting up a lunar base would have stretched the budgets of both nations and I think that the military value of a lunar base would outweigh the value of going to Mars (at least in the short run). Thus we would have concentrated on the moon. /~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ | ""I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving | | the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the | | Moon and returning him safely to the Earth."" | | | ";-1;0 "From: julia@netcom.com (Julia Miller) Subject: Posix Message Catalogs Keywords: Posix Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 17 Can someone tell me in 25 words or less how to compile posix message catalogs so that I can use them with catgets, catopen, etc. I know what the format for the catalogs is, but don't know how to compile them. Please reply to chas@blackwhite.com Thanks in advance, chas Black & White Software, Inc. | Leaders in Systems & Software Solutions 2155 S. Bascom Ave. Suite 210 | Contact Black & White for information on Campbell, CA 95008 | X Windows & OSF/Motif Software & Support (408) 369-7400 | OSF/Motif & MS-Windows GUI Builders (408) 369-7406 | Add on Widgets, Editors and Help Systems info@blackwhite.com | C++ and Ada Motif Bindings ";-1;0 "From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) Subject: Certainty and Arrogance Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey Lines: 114 Dean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of Moody Bible Institute: > The other day, I was at the dry cleaner and the radio was playing. > It caught my attention because a talk show guest was criticizing > evangelical Christians, saying we believe in absolutes and think we > are the only ones who know what the absolutes are. > We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant > moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed > His truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic > importance of those absolutes."" There has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on exactly what the criticism of ""arrogance"" is aimed at. The arrogance being attacked is that we ""think we are the only ones who know what the absolutes are"". In short, many evangelicals claim that they are infallible on the matter of religious texts. In particular, the problem is one of epistemology. As a shorthand, you can think of epistemology as ""how do you know?"" That question, it turns out, is a very troubling one. The problem with `absolute certainty' is that, at the bottom, at least some of the thinking goes on inside your own head. Unless you can be certain that everything which happens in your head is infallible, the reasoning you did to discover a source of truth is in question. And that means you do NOT have absolute justification for your source of authority -- which means you do NOT have absolute certainty. Let's take the specific example of Biblical Inerrancy, and a fictional Inerrantist named Zeke. (The following arguments applies to the idea of Papal Infallibility, too.) Zeke has, we presume, spent some time studying the Bible, and history, and several other topics. He has concluded, based on all these studies (and possibly some religious experiences) that the Bible is a source of Absolute Truth. He may be correct; but even if he is, he cannot be certain that he is correct. His conclusion depends on how well he studied history -- he may have made mistakes, and the references he used may have contained mistakes. His conclusion depends on how well he studied the Bible -- he may have made mistakes. His conclusion depends on his own reasoning -- and he may have made mistakes. (Noticing a common thread yet? 8-) Everything about his study of the world that he did -- everything that happened in his own head -- is limited by his own thinking. No matter what he does to try and cover his mistakes, he can never be certain of his own infallibility. As long as ANY PART of the belief is based on his own reasoning, that belief cannot be considered ""absolutely certain"". Zeke believes that he has found a source of absolute truth -- but that belief is only as good as the quality of the search he made for it. Unless he can say that his own reasoning is flawless, his conclusions are in doubt. Any belief that you hold about absolute sources of truth depends in part on your own thinking -- there is no way out of the loop. Only an infallible thinker can have absolute certainty in all his beliefs. This is easy to demonstrate. Let's go back to our shorthand method of doing epistemology: ""how do you know?"" Imagine a hypothetical discussion: A: The Bible is a source of absolute truth. B: How do you know? A: I studied history and the Bible and religious writings and church teachings and came to this conclusion. B: How do you know you studied history correctly? A: Well, I double-checked everything. B: How do you know you double-checked correctly? A: Well, I compared my answers with some smart people and we agreed. B: Just because some smart guy believes something that doesn't mean it is true. How do you know THEY studied it correctly? A: ... And, as you see, B will eventually get A to the point where he has to say ""I can't prove that there are no mistakes"" -- and as long as you may have made a mistake, then you cannot be ABSOLUTELY certain. There is no way out of the loop. This is where the ""arrogance of Christians"" arises: many people believe that their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the doctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are infallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake. Claiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led you to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant. * People who want to see this argument explained in great detail should try to find _The Infallibility of the Church_, by George Salmon. He is attacking the idea that the Pope can be knowably infallible (and he does so very well), but the general argument applies equally well to the idea that the Bible is knowably Inerrant. Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu ""At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein ";-1;0 "From: gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? In-Reply-To: gene@theporch.raider.net's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 19:29:40 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: leo-gw Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 32 In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net> gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. And with $1B on offer, the problem of ""keeping them alive"" is highly likely to involve more than just the lunar environment! ""Oh Dear, my freighter just landed on the roof of ACME's base and they all died. How sad. Gosh, that leaves us as the oldest residents."" ""Quick Boss, the slime from YoyoDyne are back, and this time they've got a tank! Man the guns!"" One could imagine all sorts of technologies being developed in that sort of environment..... Greg. (I'm kidding, BTW, although the problem of winner-takes-all prizes is that it encourages all sorts of undesirable behaviour - witness military procurement programs. And $1b is probably far too small a reward to encourage what would be a very expensive and high risk proposition.) -- Gregory Bond Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia Knox's 386 is slick. Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box Knox's box is very quick. Plays lots of LSL. He's sick! (Apologies to John ""Iron Bar"" Mackin.) ";-1;0 "From: nsomerse@uglx.UVic.CA (Neil Somerset) Subject: Re: ADB woes Nntp-Posting-Host: uglx.uvic.ca Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr3.010808.3589@afterlife.ncsc.mil> mlbelan@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Mark Belangee) writes: > >Greetings, oh, wise netters.. (Oops.. That's the oracle..Sorry..) > >Anyhow, I have a basic question that I cannot answer.. Just *where* in the >heck can I buy a ADB cable?? Mine on my trackball is shot.. and I haven't >been able to find a replacement anywhere.. Unless I'm looking in the >wrong mail order catalogs.... > >Anyone have any ideas? (Places/prices/just make it myself?) > > >-Mark > >mlbelan@afterlife.ncsc.mil You should be able to pick up an ADB cable at any computer wiring store... I'd give you the address of Alberta Computer cable in Calgary, but a: I'm in Victoria (B.C., Canada) and b: I don't think an address in Calgary would help you too much....basically however I just phoned them up, and they charged me approx. $15 cnd for a custom made ADB extension cable for my mouse. Hope this helps... Dave Maclachlan dmaclach@ra.uvic.ca NightFall Software Inc. ";-1;0 "From: cca20@keele.ac.uk (J. Atherton) Subject: Serial Printing Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk Summary: Output to serial printer garbles with Windows app. (e.g. Works) Keywords: Works Handshaking serial X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Hi, We've been having problems on a few setups when printing to a serial printer (dmp or Laser). I have used Works and Windows Write. The output is OK from DOS and if I send plain text output, but anything fancy garbles or just doesn't output. The exception is outputting to a Lserjet 4 which 'appears' to be fast enough receiving data, not to bother about handshaking messages. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I've tried most of the Print/Network manager options I can think of. Anyone had similar problems they've cured and would like to tell me 'bout it?? Thanks John Atherton ";-1;0 "From: hamilton@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Wayne Hamilton) Subject: Re: Null modem: 25 pin serial Article-I.D.: news.C520Gs.Dyw Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 57 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Bruce Maynard (drac@uumeme.chi.il.us) wrote: > In article <93083.215554MAL112@psuvm.psu.edu> Mitch Lewars writes: > >Can someone give me the specs > >on a null modem cable, I ferget > >which get crossed.... =-) > > mal112@psuvm.psu.edu > That's an easy one... carry all 25 pins straight thru, with the exception of > pins 2 & 3, which should be crossed... as someone else already mentioned, don't ""carry thru"" the other 23 pins. plan A, minimal null modem: SG(7) - SG(7) TD(2) - RD(3) RD(3) - TD(2) if you're transfering files betwen 2 PCs, this ought to work (unless you have a persnickity comm program). plan B, null modem with modem control: SG(7) - SG(7) TD(2) - RD(3) RD(3) - TD(2) DCD(8) - DTR(20) DTR(20) - DCD(8) some comm software will wait for DCD before transferring anything. such software will raise DTR to enable the modem to accept a call. with this cable, each side's DTR will drive the other's DCD. plan C, null modem with hardware flow control: SG(7) - SG(7) TD(2) - RD(3) RD(3) - TD(2) RTS(4) - CTS(5) CTS(5) - RTS(4) for high-speed transfers, you want the flow control. plan D, deluxe null modem (combine B and C): SG(7) - SG(7) TD(2) - RD(3) RD(3) - TD(2) RTS(4) - CTS(5) CTS(5) - RTS(4) DCD(8) - DTR(20) DTR(20) - DCD(8) this one is ideal. it leaves out DSR and RI (rarely used anymore). if you're really paranoid, or you just have an 8th wire to spend, you might add: FG(1) - FG(1) the pin numbers above are (obviously) for 25-pin connectors. i don't have a 9-pin pinout handy. -- wayne hamilton I'net: hamilton@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu Lowtek: Box 476, Urbana, IL 61801; (217)384-4310(voice), -4311(BBS) ";5;1 "From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and anarchists Lines: 117 mccullou@whipple.cs.wisc.edu writes: >My turn >I went back and reread your post. All you did is attack atheism, and >say that agnosticism wasn't as funny as atheism. Nowhere does that >imply that you are agnostic, or weak atheist. As most people who post >such inflammatory remarks are theists, it was a reasonable assumption. Sorry, you're right. I did not clearly state it. >>Rule *2: Condescending to the population at large (i.e., theists) will not >>win many people to your faith anytime soon. It only ruins your credibility. >How am I being condescending to the population at large? I am stating >something that happened to be true for a long time, I couldn't believe >that people actually believed in this god idea. It was an alien concept >to me. I am not trying to win people to my faith as you put it. I have >no faith. Religion was a non issue when I had the attitude above because >it never even occurred to me to believe. Atheist by default I guess you >could say. The most common form of condescending is the rational versus irrational attitude. Once one has accepted the _assumption_ that there is no god(s), and then consider other faiths to be irrational simply because their assumption(s) contradict your assumption, then I would say there's a lack of consistency here. Now I know you'll get on me about faith. If the _positive_ belief that God does not exist were a closed, logical argument, why do so many rational people have problems with that ""logic""? But you, probably like me, seem to be a soft atheist. Sorry for the flamage. >The line about atheists haveing something up their sleeves is what seemed >to imply that. Sorry, been reading too much on the CLIPPER project lately, >and the paranoia over there may have seeped in some. ;) What is the CLIPPER project BTW? >>Rule #4: Don't mix apples with oranges. How can you say that the >>extermination by the Mongols was worse than Stalin? Khan conquered >people >>unsympathetic to his cause. That was atrocious. But Stalin killed >millions of >>his own people who loved and worshipped _him_ and his atheist state!! >>How can >>anyone be worse than that? >Many rulers have done similar things in the past, only Stalin did it >when there was plenty of documentation to afix the blame on him. The >evidence is that some of the early European rulers ruled with an iron >fist much like Stalin's. You threw in numbers, and I am sick of hearing >about Stalin as an example because the example doesn't apply. You >managed to get me angry with your post because it appeared to attack >all forms of atheism. It might have appeared to attack atheism in general, but its point was that mass killing happens for all sorts of reasons. People will hate who they will and will wave whatever flag to justify it, be it cross or hammer&sickle. The Stalin example _is_ important not only because it's still a widely unappreciated era that people want to forget but also because people really did love him and his ideas, even after all that he had wrought. >The evidence I am referring to is more a lack of evidence than negative >evidence. Say I claim there are no pink crows. I have never seen >a pink crow, but that doesn't mean it couldn't exist. But, this person >here claims that there are pink crows, even though he admits he hasn't >been able to capture one or get a photo, or find one with me etc. >In a sense that is evidence to not believe in the existence of pink crows. >That is what I am saying when I look at the evidence. I look at the >suppossed evidence for a deity, show how it is flawed, and doesn't show >what theists want it to show, and go on. First, all the pink crows/unicorns/elves arguments in the world will not sway most people, for they simply do not accept the analogy. Why? One of the big reasons is that many, many people want something beyond this life. You can pretend that they don't want this, but I for one can accept it and even want it myself sometimes. And there is nothing unique in this example of why people want a God. Can love as a truth be proven, logically? >>themselves, namely, a god or gods. So in principle it's hard to see how >>theists are necessarily arrogant. >Makes no sense to me. They seem arrogant to make such a claim to me. >But my previous refutation still stands, and I believe there may be >another one on the net. John the Baptist boasted of Jesus to many people. I find it hard to see how that behavior is arrogant at all. Many Christians I know also boast in this way, but I still do not necessarily see it as arrogance. Of course, I do know arrogant Christians, doctors, and teachers as well. Technically, you might consider the person who originally made a given claim to be arrogant, Jesus, for instance. >Are you talking about all atheism or just strong atheism? If you are >talking about weak atheism which I believe in, then I refuse such a claim. >Atheism is a lack of belief. I used good ol' Occam's Razor to make the >final rejection of a deity, in that, as I see things, even if I >present the hypothesises in an equal fasion, I find the theist argument >not plausible. I speak against strong atheism. I also often find that the evidence supporting a faith is very subjective, just as, say, the evidence supporting love as truth is subjective. >I believe I answered that. I apologize for the (as you stated) incorrect >assumption on your theism, but I saw nothing to indicate that you >were an agnostic, only that you were just another newbie Christian >on the net trying to get some cheap shots in. No apology necessary. :) -- Bake Timmons, III -- ""...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life than some good memory..."" -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky) ";-1;0 "From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross) Subject: Tech Books for sale!!! Cheap!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 26 SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!! I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!! LIQUIDATION!!!!!! Send me your offer! No reasonable offer refused! First come first served! I JUST WANT TO GET RID OF THESE BOOKS!!! JUST MAKE ME AN OFFER!!!!! * Calculus w/ Analytic Geometry by Authur B. Simon (copyright date 1982), below avg condition but still readable! Give me $8 (shipping incl) and its yours! * Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith. $12 (shipp incl) * General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth edition. Big Book! (this book + following 2 books $20 for all 3!!) * Solutions manual for Chemistry book. * Study guide for Chemistry book. Send me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu Sam 02106@chopin.udel.edu ";8;1 "From: ankleand@mtl.mit.edu (Andrew Karanicolas) Subject: Re: IC Packages Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ampere.mit.edu In article <1993Apr16.142715.12613@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> seema@madvlsi.columbia.edu (Seema Varma) writes: >Getting a custom-made package is too expensive, so >I am trying to choose between a flatpak and a >leadless chip carrier. The flatpack would be hard >to test since it has to be soldered on to the test >setup and I would spend loads of time soldering >as I kept changing the test chip. The leadless chip >carrier sockets also have long lead lines and may >not work at high speeds. > > Does anyone out there have experience/knowledge >of this field ? I would greatly appreciate help! Any ideas/ >names of companies manufacturing holders/sockets/packages >would help. Check with Kyocera America, Inc. 24 Prime Park Way, Suite 150 Natick, MA 01760 They are one of the largest manufacturers of IC packaging in the world. It sounds like you would be a good candidate for wafer probing or at least IC probing to test performance. HP, Cascade Microtech and Tektronix should be able to help you here. One note, testing at high frequency accurately can be an *expensive* business. -- Andrew Karanicolas MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratory ankleand@mtl.mit.edu ";-1;0 "From: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) Subject: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP! Organization: USCACSC, Los Angeles Lines: 187 Distribution: world Reply-To: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) NNTP-Posting-Host: cpuserver.acsc.com Hi everyone, I thought that some people may be interested in my VR software on these groups: *******Announcing the release of Multiverse-1.0.2******* Multiverse is a multi-user, non-immersive, X-Windows based Virtual Reality system, primarily focused on entertainment/research. Features: Client-Server based model, using Berkeley Sockets. No limit to the number of users (apart from performance). Generic clients. Customizable servers. Hierachical Objects (allowing attachment of cameras and light sources). Multiple light sources (ambient, point and spot). Objects can have extension code, to handle unique functionality, easily attached. Functionality: Client: The client is built around a 'fast' render loop. Basically it changes things when told to by the server and then renders an image from the user's viewpoint. It also provides the server with information about the user's actions - which can then be communicated to other clients and therefore to other users. The client is designed to be generic - in other words you don't need to develop a new client when you want to enter a new world. This means that resources can be spent on enhancing the client software rather than adapting it. The adaptations, as will be explained in a moment, occur in the servers. This release of the client software supports the following functionality: o Hierarchical Objects (with associated addressing) o Multiple Light Sources and Types (Ambient, Point and Spot) o User Interface Panels o Colour Polygonal Rendering with Phong Shading (optional wireframe for faster frame rates) o Mouse and Keyboard Input (Some people may be disappointed that this software doesn't support the PowerGlove as an input device - this is not because it can't, but because I don't have one! This will, however, be one of the first enhancements!) Server(s): This is where customization can take place. The following basic support is provided in this release for potential world server developers: o Transparent Client Management o Client Message Handling This may not sound like much, but it takes away the headache of accepting and terminating clients and receiving messages from them - the application writer can work with the assumption that things are happening locally. Things get more interesting in the object extension functionality. This is what is provided to allow you to animate your objects: o Server Selectable Extension Installation: What this means is that you can decide which objects have extended functionality in your world. Basically you call the extension initialisers you want. o Event Handler Registration: When you develop extensions for an object you basically write callback functions for the events that you want the object to respond to. (Current events supported: INIT, MOVE, CHANGE, COLLIDE & TERMINATE) o Collision Detection Registration: If you want your object to respond to collision events just provide some basic information to the collision detection management software. Your callback will be activated when a collision occurs. This software is kept separate from the worldServer applications because the application developer wants to build a library of extended objects from which to choose. The following is all you need to make a World Server application: o Provide an initWorld function: This is where you choose what object extensions will be supported, plus any initialization you want to do. o Provide a positionObject function: This is where you determine where to place a new client. o Provide an installWorldObjects function: This is where you load the world (.wld) file for a new client. o Provide a getWorldType function: This is where you tell a new client what persona they should have. o Provide an animateWorld function: This is where you can go wild! At a minimum you should let the objects move (by calling a move function) and let the server sleep for a bit (to avoid outrunning the clients). That's all there is to it! And to prove it here are the line counts for the three world servers I've provided: generic - 81 lines dactyl - 270 lines (more complicated collision detection due to the stairs! Will probably be improved with future versions) dogfight - 72 lines Location: This software is located at the following site: ftp.u.washington.edu Directory: pub/virtual-worlds File: multiverse-1.0.2.tar.Z Futures: Client: o Texture mapping. o More realistic rendering: i.e. Z-Buffering (or similar), Gouraud shading o HMD support. o Etc, etc.... Server: o Physical Modelling (gravity, friction etc). o Enhanced Object Management/Interaction o Etc, etc.... Both: o Improved Comms!!! I hope this provides people with a good understanding of the Multiverse software, unfortunately it comes with practically zero documentation, and I'm not sure whether that will ever be able to be rectified! :-( I hope people enjoy this software and that it is useful in our explorations of the Virtual Universe - I've certainly found fascinating developing it, and I would *LOVE* to add support for the PowerGlove...and an HMD :-)!! Finally one major disclaimer: This is totally amateur code. By that I mean there is no support for this code other than what I, out the kindness of my heart, or you, out of pure desperation, provide. I cannot be held responsible for anything good or bad that may happen through the use of this code - USE IT AT YOUR OWN RISK! Disclaimer over! Of course if you love it, I would like to here from you. And anyone with POSITIVE contributions/criticisms is also encouraged to contact me. Anyone who hates it: > /dev/null! ************************************************************************ ********* And if anyone wants to let me do this for a living: you know where to write :-)! ************************************************************************ ********* Thanks, Robert. robert@acsc.com ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ";-1;0 "From: juvirtan@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jukka A Virtanen) Subject: Re: Plus minus stat Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 24 In <1993Apr16.015936.11303@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >>>Good for you. You'd only be displaying your ignorance of >>>course, but to each his own... >> >>Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think ""ignorance"" is really a >>function of ""a lack of knowledge"" and not ""formulating an >>opinion""...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by all >>means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better. >To knowledgeable observers of the game my meaning is obvious. Your >hockey education is not my responsibility. Just curious, Roger, but since you have such a vast knowledge of the game and the league, how come you haven't made a living out of it? There must be a lot of demand for expertise in the field. I'm sure you'd be of great help to, say, the Leafs as an assistant coach or a scout. Or maybe try a career as a reporter or tv commentator... I might be wrong, of course, and you already have. -- Jukka A Virtanen juvirtan@cc.helsinki.fi University of Helsinki ";-1;0 "From: diederic@spot.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Diederich) Subject: BATF Acronym Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: usa Lines: 13 Haven't seen this one on here yet, so here it goes: B. arely A. dequate, T. otally F. ***ed! I don't know about adequate, but it fits the acronym. =) -- Andrew Diederich diederic@spot.colorado.edu These opinions are only mine on alternate Tuesdays. ";-1;0 "From: wsanders@spectrum.xerox.com (bob hosid r382-423) Subject: Dynamic changing of the title bar Organization: Xerox X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 4 I am looking for a program I can insert into some code that will allow the title bar to be changed on a window dynamicly. If one already is out there, I would appreciate a location so I don't have to create this from scratch. Thanks in advance. Bob Hosid:dloslv300:xerox ";12;1 "From: whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question In-Reply-To: nancie@neko.CSS.GOV's message of 19 Apr 1993 19:48:30 -0400 Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. Lines: 52 | | In article buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) write | >In article whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes: | >> Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics | >> don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your | >> rectangle? | > | >Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains | >Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item | >to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() | >(or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new | >item in a memory structure and let the expose event handler take care | >of rendering the image because at that time it is guaranteed that the | >Window is mapped. | > | >The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window | >is visible and mapped. Do you know the best way to ""tickle"" a window so | >that the expose event handler will be invoked to draw this new item? | > | | What does this have to do with my original question??? I previously | stated that I did an XCopyArea of the depth-8 pixmap to the screen | just to make sure that my image had data, and it did. This is NOT | a problem with expose events, it has to do with XCopyPlane not | working!!! | | Does anyone have a code fragment they could send demonstrating that | XCopyPlane works??? This would be very helpful! | | Thanks! What it has to do with your original question is this: many times beginning X users (heck, experienced X users too!) write small test programs. Many times they forget to draw only in response to expose events, and thus see unpreditable results whereby sometimes the application's graphics show up, and sometimes they don't. We're just trying to eliminate all the ""easy"" explanations for why you're not seeing your graphics. That being said, why don't you try copying different planes to your window other than 16 (== 1 << 4). Try 1, 1<<1, 1<<2, ..., 1<<7 to see it you get any output. Since you're dipslaying only a single plane of your data, it's possible that all the pixel values in your pixmap have the same value for that color plane. Ken -- Kenneth Whaley (408) 748-6347 Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc. Email: whaley@kpc.com 2630 Walsh Avenue Santa Clara, CA. 95051 ";-1;0 "From: lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) Subject: Help Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 25 Hi everyone, I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools, do you still think that just believing is enough?' Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by themselves and not by God, according to Romans that person is still saved by there faith. But then there is the bit which says that God preferes someone who is cold to him (i.e. doesn't know him - condemned) so a lukewarm Christian someone who knows and believes in God but doesn't make any attempt to live by the bible. Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do) as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out' Can anyone help me, this really bothers me. In Christ, Will -- ============================================ | Dallas Cowboys - World Champions 1992-93 | ============================================ ";-1;0 "From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith) Subject: Re: Conductive Plastic, what happened? Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT Lines: 7 If you're thinking of reactive polymers they're making ESD safe contauiners out of it. As far as being conductive goes anything with a resistance less than 10 to the fouthrth power ohms per cubic measure is classed as conductive per MIL-STD-1686 for ESD protection. My $0.02 ($0.016 US). Bob. ";11;1 "From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron) Subject: Re: iterations of the bible Reply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 24 OFM replies to a question on the multiplicity of translations of the bible, >As far as I know, no Christians >believe that the process of copying manuscripts or the process of >translating is free of error. Unfortunately, this isn't true. On another news group earlier this year, someone posted that the King James Bible was the divinely inspired version of the Bible in English and was, therefore, inerrant; all other English translations were from Satan, trying to deceive the body of Christ. A few years ago, the pastor of a church I was attending showed me a poster advertising the availability of a certain man to address congregations. Very prominantly on the poster was the fact that the man used only the KJV. The idea that the KJV is THE English Bible is more prevalent than many might think. -- Scott at Brandeis ""But God demonstrates His ""The Lord bless you, and keep you; own love for us, in that the Lord make His face shine on you, while we were yet sinners, and be gracious to you; Christ died for us."" the Lord lift up His countenance on you, and give you peace."" -- Romans 5:8 [NASB] -- Numbers 6:24-26 [NASB] ";17;1 "From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) Subject: Re: build X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 (Aix 3.2.3e) Organization: western geophysical exploration products Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com In-reply-to: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com's message of 21 Apr 1993 03:49:16 GMT >>>>> On 21 Apr 1993 03:49:16 GMT, dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) said: Doug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com I am having a big problem trying to build MIT X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 (the one bundled with AIX 3.2.3e). Its almost the linker is not working properly with shared libraries. I've built X11R5 with no problem before .. but now its all headaches. For example, the xset client complains that libXmu doesnt have a bunch of Xt routines and shr.o is missing (or something like that). The build of libXmu DOES link in libXt so I am really perplexed what is going on. ....following up on this, the specific error I get is: Could not load program ./xset Symbol XtVaSetValues in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtName in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtWindowOfObject in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtGetConstraintResourceList in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtDisplayToApplicationContext in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtAppSetTypeConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtScreenDatabase in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtResolvePathname in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtCvtStringToFont in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtCallConverter in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Symbol XtDisplayStringConversionWarning in ../.././lib/Xmu/libXmu.a is undefined Could not load library libXmu.a[shr.o] Error was: Exec format error -- Douglas L.Acker Western Geophysical Exploration Products ____ ____ ____ a division of Western Atlas International Inc. \ \ / /\ / /\ A Litton / Dresser Company \ \/ / \ / / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ / / \ / /\ \ Internet : acker@wg2.waii.com \/___/ \/___/ \___\ Voice : (713) 964-6128 ";-1;0 "From: rick@sundance.SJSU.EDU (Richard Warner) Subject: Re: ATM or Truetype-which to choose? (TT for True-Effects for windows) Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept. Lines: 41 games@max.u.washington.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr3.174759.15377@seas.gwu.edu>, lai@seas.gwu.edu (William Y. Lai) writes: >> In article <1ov6rj$gev@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley) writes: >>>I've just bought a PC which came with a bundle of Lotus stuff, including >>>Adobe Type Manager version 1.15. As a newcomer to Windows, I'm >>>confused about which I should be using, ATM or Truetype. >>> >> ... >There is a program called true-effects for windows, that allows you to define >attributes for true-type fonts, and have them look like new fonts. It will >give your font different backgrounds, or shadows, or reverse, etc... >It ONLY works with TT fonts. Yes, and the idea was ripped off from Adobe, which has had a program called TypeAlign for a few years now. TypeAlign does the same thing for Adobe Type 1 fonts; *and* Adobe has said that the next version will work with both Adobe Type 1 and TrueType. And TypeAlign does some things that TrueEffects does not - including some things you apparently want ... >If you want to use it, you best not want to use it with an ATM type font. >(Oh, yeah... lest you think this is a really cool program, none of the >effects are scalable (like the brick background pattern is the same size >whether your font is 10 point of 100 point.), and it is not extensible, >I.E. you CAN NOT add pattern of your own. >And you can't rorate the background pattern... >And you can't make the pattern extend beyond one character > (Every character in that new font has the entire pattern in it, > As opposed to having the SAME pattern run contiguously through > a couple of characters) >It is however cheap. >Maybe I will buy a copy when the next version comes out, if they fix some of >these gripes... > John. ";-1;0 "From: edimg@willard.atl.ga.us (Ed pimentel) Subject: HELP! Need JPEG / MPEG encod-decode Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814 Lines: 41 I am involve in a Distant Learning project and am in need of Jpeg and Mpeg encode/decode source and object code. This is a NOT-FOR PROFIT project that once completed I hope to release to other educational and institutional learning centers. This project requires that TRUE photographic images be sent over plain telephone lines. In addition if there is a REAL Good GUI lib with 3D objects and all types of menu classes that can be use at both end of the transaction (Server and Terminal End) I would like to hear about it. We recently posted an RFD announcing the OTG (Open Telematic Group) that will concern itself with the developement of such application and that it would incorporate NAPLPS, JPEG, MPEG, Voice, IVR, FAX Sprites, Animation(fli, flc, etc...). At present only DOS and UNIX environment is being worked on and it our hope that we can generate enough interest where all the major platform can be accomodated via a plaform independent API/TOOLKIT/SDK We are of the mind that it is about time that such project and group be form to deal with these issues. We want to setup a repository where these files may be access such as Simte20 and start putting together a OTG FAQ. If you have some or any information that in your opinion would be of interest to the OTG community and you like to see included in our first FAQ please send it email to the address below. Thanks in Advance Ed P.O. box 95901 Atlanta Ga. 30347-0901 (404)985-1198 zyxel 14.4 epimntl@world.std.com ed.pimentel@gisatl.fidonet.org -- edimg@willard.atl.ga.us (Ed pimentel) gatech!kd4nc!vdbsan!willard!edimg emory!uumind!willard!edimg Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814 ";-1;0 "From: ma201rs@prism.gatech.EDU (SHONKWILER R W) Subject: screen problem in unix/xwindows/solaris Keywords: unix xwindows solaris Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 23 Experiment: From a Sun openwindows 4.1.3 xterm window log into a Solaris 2.x machine using rlogin; now do an ""ls"" and get the first character of each line display in the last column of the display with the rest of the line wrapped to the next line of the display. Log out and the condition persists. Check stty all, try reset with no effect. Use telnet instead of rlogin and it doesn't occur. Try it from a unix console and it doesn't occur. (1) What's causing this? (2) Can it be avoided? (3) How can the terminal characteristics be reset? Please send replies to shenk@math.gatech.edu -- SHONKWILER R W Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!ma201rs ARPA: ma201rs@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Re: Migraines and scans Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 37 DN> From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) DN> A neurology DN> consultation is cheaper than a scan. And also better, because a neurologist can make a differential diagnosis between migraine, tension-type headache, cluster, benign intracranial hypertension, chronic paroxysmal hemicrania, and other headache syndromes that all appear normal on a scan. A neurologist can also recommend a course of treatment that is appropriate to the diagnosis. DN> >>Also, since many people are convinced they have brain tumors or other DN> >>serious pathology, it may be cheaper to just get a CT scan then have DN> >>them come into the ER every few weeks. DN> And easier than taking the time to reassure the patient, right? DN> Personally, I don't think this can ever be justified. Sigh. It may never be justifiable, but I sometimes do it. Even after I try to show thoroughness with a detailed history, neurologic examination, and discussion with the patient about my diagnosis, salted with lots of reassurance, patients still ask ""why can't you order a scan, so we can be absolutely sure?"" Aunt Millie often gets into the conversation, as in ""they ignored Aunt Millie's headaches for years"", and then she died of a brain tumor, aneurysm, or whatever. If you can get away without ever ordering imaging for a patient with an obviously benign headache syndrome, I'd like to hear what your magic is. Every once in a while I am able to bypass imaging by getting an EEG. Mind you, I don't think EEG is terribly sensitive for brain tumor, but the patient feels like ""something is being done"" (as if the hours I spent talking with and examining the patient were ""nothing""), the EEG has no ionizing radiation, it's *much* cheaper than CT or MRI, and the EEG brings in some money to my department. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) ";-1;0 "From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) Subject: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Keywords: Galileo, JPL Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh286 Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England Lines: 17 In article <22APR199323003578@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: |> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to |> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? Thanks, Alan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1 Belle Vue Court |""They're unfriendly, which | Home: 0684 564438 32 Belle Vue Terrace | is fortunate, really. They'd | Away: 0628 784351 Great Malvern | be difficult to like."" | Work: 0628 794137 Worcestershire | | WR14 4PZ | Kerr Avon, Blake's Seven | Temporary: agc@bnr.ca England | | Permanent: alan@gid.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";-1;0 "From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) Subject: Re: Is it just me, or is this newsgroup dead? Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de In article <930419000332.60e01d81@TGV.COM>, mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) writes: |> # |> # I've gotten very few posts on this group in the last couple days. (I |> # recently added it to my feed list.) Is it just me, or is this group |> # near death? |> # |> |> Seen from the mailing list side, I'm getting about the right amount of |> traffic. And seen from my point of view, I get far too much articles to keep up with them. I am lucky if I can scan through the subjects from time to time. -- Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute I R B : immer richtig beraten Univ. Dortmund, IRB Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 D-W4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386 new address after June 30th: Univ. Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund ";-1;0 "From: B8HA Subject: RE: Jews/Islam Dr. Frankenstien Lines: 99 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Some of your article was cut off on the right margin, but I will try and answer from what I can read. In article kaveh@gate-koi.corp.sgi.com (Kaveh Smith ) writes: >I have found Jewish people very imagentative and creative. Jewish religion was the foundation for Christianity and >Islam. In other words Judaism has fathered both religions. Now Islam has turned against its father I may say. >It is Ironic that after communizem threat is almost gone, religion wars are going to be on the raise. >I thought the idea of believing on one God, was to Unite all man kind. How come both Jews and Islam which believe >on the same God, ""the God of Ebrahim"" are killing each other? Is this like Dr. Frankenstien's story? >How are you going to stop this from happening? How are you going to deal with so many Muslims. Nuking them >would distroy the whole world? Would God get mad, since you have killed his followers, you believe on the same >God, same heaven and the same hell after all? What is the peacefull way of ending this Saga? > Judaism did not father Islam. We had many of the same prophets, but Judaism ignores prophets later prophets including Jesus Christ (who Christians and Muslims believe in) and Mohammed. The idea of believing in one God should unite all peoples. However, note that Christianity and Islam reflect the fact that there are people with different views and the rights of non-Christians and non-Muslims are stated in each religion. >Man kind needs religion, since it sets up the rules and the regulations which keeps the society in a healthy state. >A religion is mostly a sets of rules which people have experienced and know it works for the society. >The praying, keeps the sole healthy and meditates it. God does not care for man kinds pray, but man kind hopes >that God will help him when he prays. >Religion works mostly on the moral issues and trys to put away the materialistic things in the life. But the >religious leaders need to make a living through religion? So they may corrupt it, or turn it to their own way to >make their living. i.e Muslims have to pay %20 percent of their income to the Mullahs. I guess the rabie gets his >cut too! > We are supposed to pay 6% of our income after all necessities are paid. Please note that this 6% is on a personal basis - if you are poor, there is no need to pay (quite the contrary, this money most often goes to the poor in each in country and to the poor Muslims around the world). Also, this money is not required in the human sense (i.e. a Muslim never knocks at your door to ask for money and nobody makes a list at the mosque to make sure you have paid (and we surely don't pass money baskets around during our prayer services)). >Is in it that religion should be such that everybody on planet earth respects each other, be good toward each other >helps one another, respect the mother nature. Is in that heaven and hell are created on earth through the acts >that we take today? Is in it that within every man there is good and bad, he could choose either one, then he will >see the outcome of his choice. How can we prevent man kind from going crazy over religion. How can we stop >another religious killing field, under poor Gods name? What are your thoughts? Do you think man kind would >to come its senses, before it is too late? > > >P.S. on the side > >Do you think that Moses saw the God on mount Sina? Why would God go to top of the mountain? He created >the earth, he could have been anywhere? why on top the mountain? Was it because people thought to see God >you have to reach to the skies/heavens? Why God kept coming back to Middle East? Was it because they created >God through their imagination? Is that why Jewish people were told by God, they were the chosen ones? > God's presence is certainly on Earth, but since God is everywhere, God may show signs of existence in other places as well. We can not say for sure where God has shown signs of his existence and where he has not/. >Profit Mohammad was married to Khadijeh. She was a Jewish. She taught him how to trade. She probably taught >him about Judaism. Quran is mostly copy right of Taurah (sp? old testement). Do you think God wrote Quran? >Makeh was a trade city before Islam. Do you think it was made to be the center of Islamic world because Mohammad >wanted to expand his trade business? Is that why God has put his house in there? > The Qur'an is not a copyright of the Taurah. Muslims believe that the Taurah, the Bible, and the Qur'an originally contained much the same message, thus the many similiarities. However, the Taurah and the Bible have been 'translated' into other languages which has changed their meaning over time (a translation also reflects some of the personal views of the translator(s). The Qur'an still exists in the same language that it was revealed in - Arabic. Therefore, we know that mankind has not changed its meaning. It is truly what was revealed to Mohammed at that time. There are many scientific facts which were not discovered by traditional scientific methods until much later such as the development of the baby in the mother's womb. >I think this religious stuff has gone too far. All man kind are going to hurt from it if they do not wise up. >Look at David Koresh, how that turned out? I am afraid in the bigger scale, the Jews and the Muslims will >have the same ending!!!!!!!! > Only God knows for sure how it will turn out. I hope it won't, but if that happens, it was the will of God. >Religion is needed in the sense to keep people in harmony and keep them doing good things, rather than >plotting each others distruction. There is one earth, One life and one God. Let's all man kind be good toward >each other. > >God help us all. >Peace >. >. Please send this mail to me again so I can read the rest of what you said. And yes, may God help us all. Steve ";-1;0 "From: tomk@skywalker.bocaraton.ibm.com (Thomas Chun-Hong Kok) Subject: Re: Hypercard for UNIX Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr23.114028.17633@bernina.ethz.ch>, queloz@bernina.ethz.ch (Ronald Queloz) writes: > Hi netlanders, > > Does anybody know if there is something like Macintosh Hypercard for any UNIX > platform? > > > Thanks in advance > > > Ron. -- Try MetaCard - a HyperCard-like programming environment on X. Chun Hong ";-1;0 "From: mvs1@cec2.wustl.edu (Michael Virata Sy) Subject: Re: Red Wings Goespel... Nntp-Posting-Host: cec2 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 20 Don't forget Paul Ysebaert, ex-Devil. He's a good team player. Michael Sy mvs1@cec2.wustl.edu /|______|\ |||||||||||| \||||||||/ .---. )|||||/' /|||||\ /|||||/ /|||||||\ /|||||/ NEW JERSEY DEVILS /|||||||||\/|||||/ /||||||||||||||||/ /||||||||||||||||/ /||||||||||||||||/ /||||||/\||||||||/ /||||||/ \||||||/ ''''' .____/|||||/ ../|||||||||||' /|./||||||||||||||' /|||||' ''' //|\ ";13;1 "From: mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Company Lines: 21 Reply-To: Mike O'Connor NNTP-Posting-Host: ope209.iao.ford.com In article <1993Apr16.133856.21829@nrao.edu> rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes: : really involved there). Many people using Linux like to stay at the cutting : (bleeding) edge: ie. when kernel patches, C library or compiler patches come : out, people like to rebuild their entire systems. The prime requirement for : all Linux software is that it is available under a GNU style public license. : Hence, Linux software uses either the Athena widgets or XView. : Individuals may write software requiring Motif, but I doubt it is widely : adopted. Shameless plug -- the Xaw3d widgets make Athena a much nicer alternative than the stock MIT Athena code. ...Mike -- Michael J. O'Connor | Internet: mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com Ford Motor Company, OPEO | UUCP: ...!fmsrl7!opeo!mjo 20000 Rotunda, Bldg. 1-3001 | Phone: +1 (313) 248-1260 Dearborn, MI 48121 | Fax: +1 (313) 323-6277 ";-1;0 "From: s912013@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Douglas Barry Mcpherson) Subject: Laser Writer IINTX upgrade kit Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au Could someone please tell me what a LaserWriter IINTX upgrade kit is. Its a small box, which has a bag inn it , seemingly containing 6 chips (look like ROMS) and a IINTX manual. The installation instructions are most informative and say, in full, ""This product must be installed by an Apple ........."" SO what does this do ? At first I thought it might be a NT to NTX upgrade, but I thought that required an entirely new board. Any info appreciated. Doug. ";-1;0 "From: m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov (Michael T. Palmer) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA Lines: 52 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: oldtown.larc.nasa.gov In article <1993Apr21.150815.6657@chpc.org> rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes: >In article Graham Toal writes: >>In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: >>:If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public >>:so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few >>:isolated 'respected experts' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a > >One more time... > > If they released the algorithm, it would be possible for someone > to come up with an implementation which was identical, but > lacking an escrowed key. > > Note that the press announcement mentioned that the algorithm was > being kept secret for security of the key escrow system. In this > case security means ""an escrowed key for EVERY clipper chip"". > > > Assuming you believed all that is said about the effective of > the algorithm, and the escrow system, which would you buy : > > (a) Chip from firm A with the escrowed key > (b) Second source chip from reputable firm B with no key > in government escrow. > > There would obviously be powerful economic incentives for a second > source, non escrowed, vendor. But what about second sources for pin-compatible non-Clipper algorithm chips that also have escrowed keys? If a ""reputable firm"" produces a chip (with escrowed key) that is a pop-in replacement for the Clipper chip in my phone, and uses an algorithm that is widely known and evaluated and ""trusted,"" then what's the problem? The Clipper is going to be reverse engineered anyway by any organization with sufficient resources (can you say ""billions of cocaine dollars?"") so those drug dealers they're so worried about will be slipping through the cracks. We law-abiding (non-incredibly-wealthy) citizens, naturally, will not have this recourse. But claiming that the algorithm can't be released to prevent people from using non-key-escrowed chips is plain deceitful... analysis of the chip output will provide information on the necessary headers and whatnot, so the ""bad guys"" could build chips using a *different* algorithm and still not escrow their keys. Or, they could just buy bunches of cheap phones at K-mart every week, and play Swap-the-Clipper-Chip with their cellular phone every day. Michael T. Palmer | ""A man is crazy who writes a secret in any m.t.palmer@larc.nasa.gov | other way than one which will conceal it RIPEM key on server | from the vulgar."" - Roger Bacon, 1220-1292 ";-1;0 "From: jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins) Subject: Cost of Roxonal Nntp-Posting-Host: photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: na Lines: 5 Does anyone know the approximate prescription cost of a 250 ml bottle of Roxonal (morphine)? Thanks. ";-1;0 "From: sherry@a.cs.okstate.edu (SHERRY ROBERT MICH) Subject: Re: .SCF files, help needed Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 27 From article <1993Apr21.013846.1374@cx5.com>, by tlc@cx5.com: > > > I've got an old demo disk that I need to view. It was made using RIX Softworks. > The files on the two diskette set end with: .scf > > The demo was VGA resolution (256 colors), but I don't know the spatial > resolution. > According to my ColoRIX manual .SCF files are 640x480x256 > First problem: When I try to run the demo, the screen has two black bars that > cut across (horizontally) the screen, in the top third and bottom third of the > screen. The bars are about 1-inch wide. Other than this, the demo (the > animation part) seems to be running fine. > > Second problem: I can't find any graphics program that will open and display > these files. I have a couple of image conversion programs, none mention .scf > files. > You may try VPIC, I think it handles the 256 color RIX files OK.. Rob Sherry sherry@a.cs.okstate.edu ";-1;0 "From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Subject: Re: Finnally, the Phils have support Lines: 75 Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu Organization: University of Louisville In article , philly@bach.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: > In article <1993Apr3.182452.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes: > >>>Everytime I have written on the net about the possibility of a >>>successfuls season by the Philadelphia Phillies, I have gotten ripped >>>from everybody from Pittsburgh to Calcutta. But if all the >>>ignoramouses, care to look at this week's Baseball Weekly, they will see >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>that I'm not the only one who considers then as division winners - the >>>rest of the most respected baseball writers in the country do as well. >> > >>And what was the reasoning of this genius writer? That, even though their >>pitching is at best ""sound"", they will win on the strength of their offense. >>Lesse: >> '93 offense = '92 offense + (Thompson & Incaviglia) >> >> '92 offense = 72 wins >> '93 division winners = (at least) 88 wins >> >>So, >> 88 wins = 72 wins + (Thompson & Incaviglia) >> >>Therefore, >> 16 wins = Thompson & Incaviglia >> >>What did you learn in school today? >> >>If you take a math course and your teacher turns out to be Rob Rains, run, >>don't walk, to drop/add. >> P. Tierney > > You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. No, > Thompson and Incaviglia don't equal 16 wins, but I'll take the two > of them over Stan Javier and Ruben Amaro (.249 1HR, 334AB & > .219 7HR 374 AB) I'd say this improvement should equate to 6or 7 > wins at least. > > Then, I'll take Lenny Dykstra who played 85 games last year and > project his numbers (.301, 104 hits, 18 2B's, 6 HR, 39RBI, 30 SB) > over 150 games. Thus(.301, 188 hits, 32 2B's, 11HR, 70RBI, 54 SB) > Okay, now we'll put these numbers in the leadoff hole and thus > I have to bump Kruk, Hollins, Daulton RBI numbers up just a tad... > now lesse... they knocked in 70, 93, and 109 respectively. Don't > you think it's fair to add about 5 or 6 RBI to each? They managed > to knock in a pretty nice amount of runs with a .219 leadoff hitter. > Okay bozo, do you think it's fair to add maybe 7 or 8 more wins > now? Oh, and how can I forget Wes Chamberlain, 275 AB's 9 HR, > 41 RBI even WITH a month and 1/2 in AAA and a horrible first half. > Well project that over a full season to get 18 HR and 80 RBI or so. > Is that worth a win or two? > > Finally, take the *worse* pitching staff in the NL last year, add > the worse injury decimation of 1992. Okay, now we add Danny > jackson, some health, and a full season for Schilling... is that > worth at least 3 wins? > > Okay we've been conservative and added about 18 wins so far. Now > we're adding about 4 more wins thanks to the expansion teams... > Okay, thats 22 wins. Lesse dipshit math genuious, 72 + 22 = 94 > Hmmm... I think thats good enough to win the worse division in > baseball? > > Next time, before you say something foolish, get a clue first! > > Actually, I was simply relaying the reasoning of this so-called genius BW writer. I agree. The reasoning was foolish. Next time, before you say something foolish, be aware what you are responding to. BTW, 94 wins. Very funny. P. Tierney ";14;1 "From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 22 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes: > The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored > transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use > more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to > do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they > must have the proper equipment and people to do the job. The BATF is there to collect taxes, not to protect your sorry ass or mine. > With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed > more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is > the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. All flame-bait, of course. If you really want to be flame bait, send me your address and I'll tell the BATF about those automatic weapons you have stockpiled. You'll be warm in no time. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... ";-1;0 "From: kjetilk@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjetil Kolin) Subject: Proteced Mode Organization: University of Tromsoe Lines: 1 I'm looking for information how W-NT uses Proteced Mode. (The HW support) ";6;1 "From: mbuntan@staff.tc.umn.edu () Subject: Where can I get the cheapest price? Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 9 Hi all: Does anyone know where I can get the cheapest price for the Teleport Gold fax modem by Global Village? Any answer will be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Regards, Thian. ";-1;0 "From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Archie-Client ? Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 8 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de Get Xarchie 2.0 instead. -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ ";12;1 "From: gregg@netcom.com (gregg weber) Subject: camcorder sony 8 mm forsale $350 Keywords: camcorder Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 10 It is 5 years old. Model CCD-V5. 6x zoom. Everything works perfectly. Uses 8 mm tapes (not Hi-8, that was not around 5 years ago!). $350 plus shipping or best offer. -- ================================================================ Gregg Weber Let it be, open and bright like the sky, gregg@netcom.com Without taking sides, with no clouds of concepts. (510) 283-6264 - kun-mkhyen klong-chen-pa ================================================================ ";-1;0 "From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr26.172744.23230@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes: >In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >> >>[...] >>The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population >>density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. >>The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of >>Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the >>strip and seek work in Israel. > >Anyone who can repeate this choice piece of tripe without checking >his/her sources does not deserve to be believed. The Gaza strip does >not possess the highest population density in the world. In fact, it >isn't even close. Just one example will serve to illustrate the folly >of this statement: the city of Hong Kong has nearly ten times the >population of the Gaza strip in a roughly comparable land area. The >centers of numerous cities also possess comparable, if not far higher, >population densities. Examples include Manhattan Island (NY City), Sao >Paolo, Ciudad de Mexico, Bombay,... > >Need I go on? The rest of Mr. Davidsson's message is no closer to the >truth than this oft-repeated statement is. > Elias' initial statement certain *is* hot air. But it seems to be almost standard procedure around here to first throw out an absurb, overstated image in order to add extra ""meaning"" to the posting's *real point*. However, his second statement *is* quite real. The essential sealing off of Gaza residents from the possibility of making a living *has happened*. Certainly, the Israeli had a legitimate worry behind the action they took, but isn't that action a little draconian? -- Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717 ";-1;0 "From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor, The Sounding Board) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Nntp-Posting-Host: 138.85.253.85 Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc. X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson. Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and not necessarily those of Ericsson. Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr21.131908.29582@uhura.neoucom.edu> wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) writes: >From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) >Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 13:19:08 GMT >Write a good manual to go with the software. The hassle of >photocopying the manual is offset by simplicity of purchasing >the package for only $15. Also, consider offering an inexpensive >but attractive perc for registered users. For instance, a coffee >mug. You could produce and mail the incentive for a couple of >dollars, so consider pricing the product at $17.95. Or, _documentation_ for the program ;-). A lot of shareware out there is very similar in the approach - send in your money, and you get documentation, and a free upgrade to the latest version. Perhaps even support of some small degree. Whatever you want to offer that is ""better"" than the circulating version. >You're lucky if only 20% of the instances of your program in use >are non-licensed users. Figure about 50%, as I have seen. >The best approach is to estimate your loss and accomodate that into >your price structure. Sure it hurts legitimate users, but too bad. It doesn't really hurt legit users. Shareware is still much cheaper than the alternatives. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------Visit the SOUNDING BOARD BBS +1 214 596 2915, a Wildcat! BBS------- ObDis: All opinions are specifically disclaimed. No one is responsible. Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems THX-1138 exuptr@exu.ericsson.se ""Don't let the .se fool you"" ";-1;0 "From: neuharth@hardy.u.washington.edu (John Neuharth) Subject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. Article-I.D.: shelley.1psf0dINNm4q Organization: University of Washington Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu rickc@krill.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.190141.17623@bsu-ucs>, 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu >writes: >|> I just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect >|> I have >|> for Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. >|> A dishard Cub fan >Yes, I also wonder if they can win with this manager. >I never believed managers had that much to do with winning >until I saw how much they had to do with losing.... I like the Mariners a lot, but my heart belongs to the Cubs...You can imagine my frustration when I saw the Cubs nabbing LeFebvre...ARHGGHRGHH! -John Neuharth neuharth@u.washington.edu ";14;1 "From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 25 In whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) writes: >Any one who thinks that Homosexuality and Christianity are compatible should check >out: > Romans 1:27 > I Corinthians 6:9 > I Timothy 1:10 > Jude 1:7 > II Peter 2:6-9 > Gen. 19 > Lev 18:22 >(to name a few of the verses that pertain to homosexuality) Homosexual Christians have indeed ""checked out"" these verses. Some of them are used against us only through incredibly perverse interpretations. Others simply do not address the issues. You would seem to be more in need of a careful and Spirit-led course in exegesis than most of the gay Christians I know. I suggest that you stop ""proof-texting"" about things you know nothing about. -- Michael L. Siemon I say ""You are gods, sons of the mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless - or - you shall die like men, and fall mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince."" Psalm 82:6-7 ";17;1 "From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: Dayton Hamfest Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Distribution: usa Lines: 33 Yes, Take Interstate I-70 to the route 48 exit. Go south on 48 about 2-1/2 miles. Trun right on Shiloh Springs Road. The hamvention is at the Harrah arena, which is about 1 mile west and on the north side of the Road. Parking at the arena is limited. Lodging is probably entirely booked-up within a 40 mile radius. Good luck. | | 48 I75 | | ----------I70----------....--------- | | | | X | | (mall) --------| | S. Springs | It is possible to park at the mall to the west. There are shuttle busses running between the arena and the mall. If possible, get a Montgomery County, OH map from your local AAA office. It should be free if you are an AAA member. If you don't already have definite plans, now is not a particularly good time to start to think about going to the hamvention. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED ";-1;0 "From: mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) Subject: LC III NuBus Capable? Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Forgive me if this has been asked before... but here goes: My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? CompUsa and ComputerCity Supercenter says they don't carry them. Does this mean LC III is incapable of carrying a NuBus board? Much obiliged, Marvin +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | MMILLER@GARNET.MSEN.COM | ""The more I deal with hearing | | Editor-in-Chief/Co-Publisher of | people, the more I understand | | The Deaf Michigander | terrorism."" | | $22 a year for 11"" by 17"" | -Marvin | | monthly newspaper | | | (E-mail me for a complimentary | Above quote does not apply to | | copy today!) | all hearing people, though. | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM Subject: Re: Lindros will be traded!!! Article-I.D.: LMSC5.93096.46336.J056600 Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc. Lines: 19 In <1993Apr5.163209.576@r-node.hub.org>, Jay Chu writes: >True rumor. Fact! A big three way deal! >Eric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators. And Senators get $15mill from >Montreal. >Montreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators) >Philly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick. Sheesh. The rumor mill strikes again. But let's just assume this were true. My question is this: What would Montreal give San Jose if the Sharks got first pick and took Daigle? Tim Irvin ***************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: zxxst+@pitt.edu (Zhihua Xie) Subject: For the poor owner of IIsi Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 16 Macintosh IIsi, 3/40, 80ns. Clock-upgraded IIsi works well at 25MHZ, however, does not work with Nubus adaptor and 1400k disk even though it can read/write 800k disk at32MHz. Interestingly, upgraded IIsi overcomes basically the fighting between the Vedio and the System so that CPU never be reduced below 8 no mater whether the cache is on or off. This is pretty useful when you use the virtual memory of system 7. 20MHz 25MHZ 32MHz CPU 5.46(6.0.7) 6.81(6.0.7) 8.83(6.0.7) 8.74(7VM) Graf. 6.72 8.56 11.07 9.19 Disk 1.44 1.50 1.56 1.49 Math. 5.72 11.27(FPU) 9.36 8.84 speedometer3.1 ";-1;0 "From: duvvuri@gudbransdal.cs.odu.edu (D.V.Prakash) Subject: Pointer Feature Summary: Multiple flushing of pointers Keywords: Pointers, Arrows, Cursors Nntp-Posting-Host: gudbransdal.cs.odu.edu Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va Lines: 23 Hi I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib I have multiple windows and all can take input and show output simultaneously on all other displays I want to implement a pointer feature I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able to see it Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed replies will be greatly appreciated Thank you Prakash < duvvuri@cs.odu.edu > ";-1;0 "From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr19.130132.12650@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: >In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: >>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American >>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of > >Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN >CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. >It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals >to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. Read the Constitution yourself. The Second Amendment says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, so a well regulated militia may be more easily formed. I have an interpretation of the Second that shows there are no qualifications to the right to keep and bear arms. If you want, I can E-mail it to you. By the way, gun talk belongs in talk.politics.guns. Doug Holland ";-1;0 "From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 57 Though some may argue about the nose of the camel, it's worth noting that the government proposal is limited to scrambled telephony. If it is only used for that purpose, and does not extend to electronic mail or file encryption, then it IS an improvement over the current mass-produced standard civilian technology which, with a few exceptions, is limited to easy-to-break inverters. Note that the big issue for the feds is the continued ability to wiretap. Before we go off the deep end with long discusions about secure crypto for e-mail and files, let's focus on this. One question that was not asked in the release is whether this proposal is limited to telephony, or if the government intends to expand it. Though I share many of the concerns expressed by some, I find the proposal less threatening than many others, since right now most Americans have no secure telephony, and any jerk with a pair of clip leads and a ""goat"" can eavesdrop. This would also plug up the security hole in cellular and cordless phones. ------- Reading between the lines, I infer that the system is highly secure without access to the keys. This would meet the needs of U.S. businesses confronted by rich and powerful adversaries, including French and Japanese security services and rich Japanese companies. It allows the NSA to make available some of its better stuff while protecting law enforcement needs. Most legitimate U.S. corporations trust the NSA, and would be delighted to have a high-security system certified by them, even at the price of depositing keys in escrow. I see no difficulty in creating a reliable escrow. Corporations entrust their secrets to attorneys every day of the week, and that system has worked pretty well. From my point of view this is a fair starting point. There are concerns that need to be addressed, including the reliability of the escrows. But in return we get access to high-security crypto. Many have suggested that DES and other systems may be breakable by the NSA and hence others similarly skilled and endowed. There is at least a good possibility (which should be checked) that the proposed system is not so breakable. It doesn't have to be, nor does it have to have trapdoors, if the government can get the keys pursuant to a legitimate court order. Thus they can protect legitimate communications against economic adversaries, while still being able to eavesdrop on crooks pursuant to a court order. ------ In discussing this, let's try to avoid the nastiness, personal attacks and noise of some previous threads. This is a substantive and technical issue, and personal remarks have no place in such a discussion. -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. ";-1;0 "From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel McCoy) Subject: Re: compiling on sun4_411 Reply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Organization: I-NET Inc. Lines: 27 In article qfe00WB2QzZ7EZ@andrew.cmu.edu, Wilson Swee () writes: |> I have a piece of X code that compiles fine on pmax-ul4, pmax_mach, as |>well as sun4_mach, but whenever it compiles on sun4_411, it gives me |>undefined ld errors: |>_sin |>_cos |>_pow |>_floor |>_get_wmShellWidgetClass |>_get_applicationShellWidgetClass |> |>The following libraries that I linked it to are: |>-lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 |> |>The makefile is generated off an imake template. |>Can anyone give me pointers as to what I'm missing out to compile on |>a sun4_411? Well, the first 2 are easy. You need the math library. Try adding -lm after -lX11. Don't know if that's the whole problem but it's a start. --- Daniel J. McCoy |=> SPACE <=| I-NET, Inc. NASA Mail Code PT4 |=> IS <=| TEL: 713-483-0950 NASA/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR <=| FAX: 713-244-5698 Houston, Texas 77058 |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov ";-1;0 "From: wyman@rtsg.mot.com (Mark S. Wyman) Subject: Re: AMD i486 clones: Now legal in US?!?!?! Nntp-Posting-Host: lead17 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Distribution: na Lines: 12 poe@wharton.upenn.edu writes: >A friend of mine called me on the phone and told me he was wathcing CNN >and saw a report that the ruling prohibiting AMD from selling their i486 >clones has been thrown out, making it legal for AMD to ship in the US. >Can anyone out there verify this? >Thanks in advance >Phil Yep, this was on the news. Great news for consumers. Bad news for Intel. ";5;1 "From: brucet@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Bruce Tulloch) Subject: Re: HELP! Duo 230 problems Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 76 bcherkas@netcom.com (Brian Cherkas) writes: >chess@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Vantuyl Chess) writes: >> I just got a Duo 230, and I'm having some difficulties. >>If the machine is plugged in to the wall adapter, put to sleep, >>unplugged from the wall, and woken up, it crashes 75% of the time. >>(There's nothing but the original system software on the machine.) >>The battery has plenty of life - I think this must be a power manager >>problem, but I don't know what to do about it. >>Also, the speaker occasionally makes a high-pitched hiss. The noise >>is irregular, but seems to favor sleep and restart commands. >I've had my Duo 230 for a few weeks now and suffer from both >of the above problems. I reinstalled my system software twice >in an effort to combat the problems - thinking they were >system software problems. Initially reinstalling the system >seemed to help but not anymore. Occasionally when I try to >wake up the Duo I get a solid screen of horizontal lines on >the screen - it freezes. >I also get the high-pitched hiss occasionally - but only at >startup. >I've called the apple hotline (800 SOS-APPL) three times >already and finally they agreed something is astray after my >Duo's screen would go dim and the hard drive spun down by >itselft and put itself to sleep. This problem only occured >twice. Apple sent me a box to ship my Duo to be looked at in >New York but the problem now is intermittent and I can't >afford to be without my Duo at this time. >Anyone out there with these same problems? >-- >Brian Cherkas * * bcherkas@netcom.com > I >AOL/BrianC22 \_/ compuserve/71251,3253 >Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA Yes, quite a number of people it seems from discussions I've had (me included). I bought my machine a couple of weeks ago as well and started to experience these problems. Apple Australia via my dealer said that this problem has a number of potential causes - Faulty applications, faulty third party hardware (modems, memory etc), system software, PRAM corruption and power manager corruption, and the Duo hardware itself. None of the above are relevant in my case except the last two maybe (no applications were running, the system software was re-installed, I have no additional hardware). I have found that clearing PRAM appears to help for a while at least (hold down command option P and R on startup). Unfortunately the problem returns suggesting that PRAM is being corrupted by something (system software bug ? - I don't have any non-issue inits in my system). Apparently the Power Manager can be reset by ""holding the reset and interrupt buttons while powering up"" - Apple's advice - but since the Duo does not have an interrupt button I'm not sure what they mean in this case. This may also help if someone can decipher Apple's advice for me. Beyond this Apple suggest that "" you should follow the technical procedures to check the hardware of this Duo"". Since so many others appear to be having the same problem it would seem to me that there has been a system software bug introduced somewhere along the line - and quite recently too - since it only seems to be recent Duo 230 purchasers who have this problem. Any more comments from others in the same boat are welcome, particularly Apple Duo engineers :-) cheers brucet -- bruce tulloch sydney australia - brucet@extro.ucc.su.oz.au ***complex problems have straight forward, easy to understand wrong answers*** ";-1;0 "From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Article-I.D.: netnews.120665 Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and It's Stankiewicz, not Stankowitz, and he's not Jewish - he's Polish (by the way, the correct pronunciation - according to Stanky himself, is ""ston-KEV-itch"". all the sportscasters get it wrong) >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >humor us. Thanks for your help. The only other Jewish ballplayer I can think of is Ron Blomberg, who is best known as being the first DH to appear in a major league ballgame. -Alan ";-1;0 "From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Lines: 67 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <0096B294.AAD9C1E0@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu> reimer@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu (Paul E. Reimer) writes: >In article <1qkftjINNoij@cronkite.cisco.com>, pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano Pitargue) writes: > >[stuff deleted about causes of people in ER] > >>and your factoid about shooting victims in the ER. count how many come in >>due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw >>cars. >>marciano pitargue@cisco.com > >There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some >regulation to try to combat this. When I got my drivers license, I HAD >to take a drivers safety class. Tennessee, at least, does not require any sort of safety class to get a driver's license. All that is required is one twenty question quiz and to drive a car around the block without crashing. >I HAVE to be licensed to drive. In all probability, no you don't. You are required to be licensed to drive on public roads. A license is not necessary on private property. >My car >MUST be registered. Most states do not require the registration of cars that are not used on public roads. Those that do (California I know of) do so for tax purposes more than anything else. >I MUST (at least where I live) have liability >insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an >accident with it). Many states do not currently require this, and most, again, only make this requirement for public roads. A car sitting unused is not required to have insurance. >Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration >of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for >gun owners. The two are not the same, as I pointed out above. There are significant difference between making rules for *use on public property* and *making rules for ownership*. The other half of the objection is trust. Similar things to this have been tried in many local jurisdications across the country, and have been abused in far too many cases. Safety classes which are never sheduled, never funded, or only one or two is held a year for a limited number of participants. Registration lists in New York, Chicago, and California have been used for confiscation. *Many* gun owners would, in theory, support these planes. (Although the numbers overwhelmingly show that competence is not the problem, that intentional misuse is). They've simply seen it abused and are leery of the next person who comes down the pike with a ""reasonable"" suggestion they've already seen abused. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" ";-1;0 "From: dpiaseck@jarthur.claremont.edu (Derek A. Piasecki) Subject: Ami Pro 3.0 and PCTools compress?!? Doesn't like being moved? Keywords: Ami Pro 3.0 PCTools compress Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 24 Has anyone had problems with Ami Pro 3.0 after running PCTools (v7.1) compress? I have not corrupted data due to having caches other than PC-Cache running, so that is not it. The first time I try to run Ami Pro after loading windows, it loads, but causes (I think it was a) segmentation fault in AMIPRO.EXE right before it finishes, with all times after that only managing to get to the logo box that first pops up when it begins loading, and then causes a general protection fault in module AMIPROUI.DLL at 0002:1147. I have not been able to fix this problem except by reinstalling Ami Pro. This has happened twice, with both times being after having ran compress on my hard drive. BTW, I am not running stacker or any other disk compression programs, and if you don't already know, PCTools compress is actually a defragger, despite it's name. My system is a 386-40MHz, with 16MB of RAM and a NEC (OEM) hard drive, etc, but that shouldn't make a difference. PLEASE email me as I can't keep up with the newsgroup, and it will cut down on net traffic anyways. Thanks. -Derek dpiaseck@jarthur.claremont.edu ";-1;0 "From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty... Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 16 In article speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes: | |This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her |case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor! Geez, what happened? She got a ticket for driving too slow??? | ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- Oh, are you saying you're not an edu.breath, then? Okay. Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | ""I'm getting tired of 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave. 84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."" AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth ""Bruiser"" Dixon ";-1;0 "From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) Subject: RE: was:Go Hezbollah! Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University Lines: 116 I will try to answer some of Dorin's questions, even though they were not addressed to me specifically, but I feel that I am a bit concerned by the thread since I am a Southern Lebanese from a village that is often on the receiving end of Israel's bombs. In the first place the death of three soldiers on a patrol in occupied Lebanese terrritory is NOT an act of terrorism or murder. It is disingeneous to compare their death to that of athletes in Munich or any other act of terrorism or mrder. This exercise is aimed solely at diverting the issue and is far from the truth. It seems to me, Dorin, that, you are so remote and ignorant of the problem on the ground that your comments can only be charactrized as irrelevant, and heavily colored by the preconceptions and misinformation. I will try to paint the most accurate picture I can of what the situation really is in South Lebanon. In article <1993Apr15.152455.14555@unocal.com>, stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: |> Is there any Israeli a civilian, in your opinion ? |> |> Now, I do not condone myself bombing villages, any kind of villages. |> But you claim these are villages with civilians, and Iraelis claim they are |> camps filled with terrorists. You claim that israelis shell the villages with the |> 'hope' of finding a terrorist or so. If they kill one, fine, if not, too bad, |> civilians die, right ? I am not so sure. I am. I was back in my home village this last summer. For your information we are PEOPLE, not a bunch of indiscriminate terrorists. Most of the people in my village are regular inhabitants that go about their daily business, some work in the fields, some own small shops, others are older men that go to the coffe shop and drink coffee. Is that so hard to imagine ???? It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. Once they are back they announce that they bombed a ""terrorist hideout"" where an 8 year old girl just happened to be. We are now accustomed to Israeli tactics, and we figure that this is the Israeli way of telling us that ""if you're gonna hurt our soldiers you're gonna pay the price"". We accept this as a price we have to pay to free our land, Israel knows very well that it is not really hurting the resistance that much militarily with these strikes, but rather just keeping the pressure on the villagers to demand from their young men to stop attacking Israeli soldiers since these attacks are taking a heavy toll on the lives of the civilian villagers. Israel's retalliation policy is cold hearted, but a reality that we have come to accept and deal with, the Lebanese Resistance on the other hand is not going to stop its attacks on OCCUPYING ISRAELI SOLDIERS until they withdraw, this is the only real leverage that they have to force Israel to withdraw. The people of South Lebanon are occupied, or shelled by Israel on a regular basis. We do not want to be occupied. If Israel insists that the so called ""Security Zone"" is necessary for the protection of Northern Israel, than it will have to pay the price of its occupation with the blood of its soldiers. If Israel is interested in peace, than it should withdraw from OUR land. We are not asking for the establishment of a Lebanese occupied zone in northern Israel to protect our villages that are attacked on a regular basis by Israel, so the best policy seems to be the removal of Israeli occupation and the establishment of peace keeping troops along the border. I have written before on this very newsgroup, that the only real solution will come as a result of a comprehensive peace settlement whereby Israel withdraws to its own borders and peace keeping troops are stationed along the border to insure no one on either side of the border is shelled. This is the only realistic solution, it is time for Israel to realize that the concept of a ""buffer zone"" aimed at protecting its northern cities has failed. In fact it has caused much more Israeli deaths than the occasional shelling of Northern Israel would have resulted in. If Israel really wants to save some Israeli lives it would withdraw unilaterally from the so-called ""Security Zone"" before the conclusion of the peace talks. Such a move would save Israeli lives, advance peace efforts, give Israel a great moral lift, better Israel's public image abroad and give it an edge in the peace negociations since Israel can rightly claim that it is genuinely interested in peace and has already offered some important concessions. Along with such a withdrawal Israel could demand that Hizbollah be disarmed by the Lebanese government and warn that it will not accept any attacks against its northern cities and that if such a shelling occurs than it will consider re-taking the buffer zone and will hold the Lebanese and Syrian government responsible for it. There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such circumstances, and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did in all other parts of Lebanon. |> If you ask me those questions, I will have no problem answering (not with a |> question, as you did) : No, NOBODY is qualified candidate for murder, nothing |> justifies murder. I agree, only in the case of the Isareli soldiers their killing CANNOT be qualified as murder, no matter what you say. I have the feeling that you may be able yourself to make |> similar statements, maybe after eliminating all Israelis, jews, ? Am I wrong ? Yes, we have no quarrel with Jews, or Israeli civilians. The real problem is with OCCUPYING Israeli soldiers and those brave Israeli pilots that bomb our civilian villages every time an occupying soldier is attacked. |> Dorin Basil ";15;1 "From: texx@ossi.com (Robert ""Texx"" Woodworth) Subject: Re: CA's pedophilia laws Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc. Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: nym.ossi.com #1 Clayton, my man... You are a tad out of touch.... First, gay comunities all over the country are in the process of excluding NAMBLA from parades etc. #2 Nobody from NAMBLA is gonna get a job in a day care centre. The same liberals you are upset about are also passing laws that make tough background checks for childcare people. #3 Tell me, how would you feel if your employer fired you for your antigay post on the internet? Would you be upset ? I`ll bet you would be pissed! To some, your posts ,ight make the company look bad. While your posts offend me I dont think it would be right for you to get fired over it. I dont believe the gay comunity is asking for hiring quotas like the affirmative action laws of the 60's did. My understanding is that the gay community just wants the same rights the srtraights have. I dont think people should have their leases cancelled when their landlord finds out they are gay. I dont think that when someone sees someone walk out of a gay business and then blabs it all over work that the gay person gets fired. Do you REALLY think these are justified ? #4 Clayton, I am told you are a parent a couple times over. Have you been following the strip in the paper ""For Better or For Worse"" ? I honestly want your opinion as a parent on the strip. Do you really care about your childeren as much as friends of mine tell me ? How much do you care about your childeren ? How much do you care about other people's childeren? Do you care about MY childeren? Do you care about my sister's childeren ? If one of your kids told you he/she was gay, would you throw them out of your home in the middle of the night? Would you approve of your childeren driving down to San Francisco to trow bottles at and beat up on gay people? Would you condone your childeren beating up on someone elses childeren ? I await your answers to these queastions. PLease no flaming... This is to be a civilised discussion, from one father to another. ";-1;0 "From: ""James J. Murawski"" Subject: This Year's vs. Next Year's Playoffs Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu Well, since someone probably wanted to know, here's this year's playoff matchups on the left, and what the matchups would be next year under the new alignment and playoff-matchup rules. The same 16 teams make the playoffs under next year's rules, and three of the first round matchups are the same (QUE-MTL, CHI-STL, VAN-WIN). PIT --+ +-- CHI | PIT --+ +-- CHI +---+ +---+ | +---+ +---+ NJ --+ | | +-- STL | BUF --+ | | +-- STL +---+ +---+ | +---+ +---+ WAS --+ | | | | +-- DET | QUE --+ | | | | +-- TOR +---+ | | +---+ | +---+ | | +---+ NYI --+ | | +-- TOR | MTL --+ | | +-- CAL +------+ | +------+ BOS --+ | | +-- VAN | WAS --+ | | +-- VAN +---+ | | +---+ | +---+ | | +---+ BUF --+ | | | | +-- WIN | NJ --+ | | | | +-- WIN +---+ +---+ | +---+ +---+ QUE --+ | | +-- CAL | BOS --+ | | +-- DET +---+ +---+ | +---+ +---+ MTL --+ +-- LA | NYI --+ +-- LA ==================================================================== Jim Murawski Sr. Software Engineer (412) 268-2650 [office] Administrative Computing and (412) 268-6868 [fax] Information Services jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon University Office: UCC 155 4910 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 ""Le Mieux! Le Magnifique! Soixante Six! Claude...NON!"" There are 1374 days until Clinton (Clinocchio) leaves office (1373 too many). ";13;1 "From: sts@mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood (x5543)) Subject: Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP! Reply-To: sts@mfltd.co.uk Organization: Micro Focus Ltd, Newbury, England Lines: 19 Has anyone got multiverse to work ? I have built it on 486 svr4, mips svr4s and Sun SparcStation. There seems to be many bugs in it. The 'dogfight' and 'dactyl' simply do nothing (After fixing a bug where a variable is defined twice in two different modules - One needed setting to static - else the client core-dumped) Steve -- Extn 5543, sts@mfltd.co.uk, !uunet!mfocus!sts +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ Micro Focus | Just like Pariah, I have no name, | rm -rf * | 26 West Street | Living in a blaze of obscurity, | ""rum ruff splat"" | Newbury | Need courage to survive the day. | | Berkshire +-----------------------------------+------------------------+ England (A)bort (R)etry (I)nfluence with large hammer ";-1;0 "From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: Re: My '93 picks (with only one comment) Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 53 Distribution: na Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article jfr2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jackie F. Russell) writes: > psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes: > >Since I did so well last year, here's another shot at picking the winners > >and losers. I'll skip the commentary on why I picked who to finish where > >due to lack of time for flame wars 8^) > > > > Kansas City 25.0 > > I think KC has a much better shot at being in the top division than > the bottom. One word(Cone) should help things tremendously. I think > you are way off the mark here. Another word (offense) makes them my pick for last too. (Well, there's also my policy of never picking a Buck Rodgers' team for last) > > Florida 12.0 > > Chicago 20.0 > > I dont know if an expansion team has ever finished ""not last"" but I think > this year might be a first if it hasnt ever happened. The Cubs are worse The 1961 Angels were 1/2 game out of 7th. The Athletics and expansion Senators finished tied for last. The 1962 Colt 45's finshed 8th - ahead of the Cubs (the Mets were last). The 1969 Royals finshed 4th - ahead of the White Sox (the Pilots in last). The 1977 Mariners finished 6th - ahead of the Athletics(in last). Apparently being an expansion team with a poor A's or Chicago team around is a `good thing' > >National League West > > > Cincinnati ---- > > Houston 5.0 > > Atlanta 8.0 > ARGH! Here is where you are obviously dead wrong. Not since the Yankees of > the 20's and 30's has a team been so nicely setup as this years(and years > to come) Braves. I don't think that the All-Star team will be able to beat This may be an appropriate comparison. The 1929-31 Yankees finshed 2nd, 3rd and 2nd finshing 18, 16 and 13-1/2 games out of first. In 1933,'34 and '35 they also finished second ( though they were only 7, 7 and 3 games out). Even great teams can lose - That's why they play the season. (on the other hand... I'm still picking the Braves to go all the way) john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman Predictions for '93: Marlins: 70 wins, Rockies: 50 wins and....Rockies fans will claim that the offense is adequate. ";-1;0 "From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) Subject: Scoring runs. Was Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Distribution: na Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: beowulf.ucsd.edu In article <8966@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: |> Uh, right. You also forgot that you can't get an RBI (barring a HR) with |> nobody on base. What fraction of all runs come on solo HR? Actually, for the Padres this year so far it's 23%. They are 5th in the league in HRs, and ALL have been solo shots. Pythagorean projection puts them at .360 winning percentage or 58-104. Need some pitching help, fast! Good news, though, is that Hurst has been throwing curveballs w/o any pain. Threw 80 pitches yesterday. Should be back in a couple of weeks. Maybe we can trade him to the Yankees for Militello. Dave -- Dave DeMers demers@cs.ucsd.edu Computer Science & Engineering 0114 demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet UC San Diego ...!ucsd!cs!demers La Jolla, CA 92093-0114 (619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029 ";14;1 "From: yoo@engr.ucf.edu (Hoi Yoo) Subject: Ribbon Information ? Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando Distribution: usa Lines: 20 Does anyone out there have or know of, any kind of utility program for Ribbons? Ribbons are a popular representation for 2D shape. I am trying to find symmetry axis in a given any 2D shape using ribbons. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated how to start program. Thanks very much in advance, Hoi yoo@engr.ucf.edu ";-1;0 "From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr16.121720.13017@hemlock.cray.com> rja@mahogany126.cray.com ( Russ Anderson) writes: > >In article <15378@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >> >> From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: >> >> Male sex survey: Gay activity low >> >> A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough >> examination of American men's sexual practices published since >> the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 >> percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and >> 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. > >Actually, what the study shows is that 2 percent of the men surveyed >*said* they engaged in homosexual sex and 1 percent *said* they >considered themselves exclusively homosexual. > Yes, and of course the Kinsey Report taken 50 years ago in much more liberal times regarding homosexuality......... >The point being that what people say and what they acutally do >may be different. > >It is interesting that this clip from the newspaper did not >mention that difference. Maybe it is conservative media bias. :-) > Or smart enough to realize that that argument would have to apply to every survey regarding homosexuality. Therefore, they would look stupid. (Actually, Idid see Bryant Gumble bring that point up. Hee, hee). > The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday >> by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than >> the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional >> wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. > Ryan ";-1;0 "From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 37 Pete Young, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 08:29:21 GMT wibbled: : Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote: : : Tsk, tsk, tsk. Another newbie bites the dust, eh? They'll learn. : Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was : in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag. Is this bit funny? : Most of the people who made this group interesting 3 or 4 years ago : are no longer around and I only have time to make a random sweep : once a week or so. Hence I missed most of this thread. I'm terribly sorry. : Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm, : wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I : assumed you were serious. Mea culpa. I know, I know. Subtlety is sort of, you know, subtle, isn't it. : Still, it's nice to see that BNR are doing so well that they can afford : to overpay some contractors to sit and read news all day. That's foreign firms for you. ..and a touchy newbie, at that. What's the matter, too much starch in the undies? -- Nick (the Considerate Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford None Gum-Chewer M'Lud. Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\ ""Teneo tuus intervallum"" Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. \ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 (- ";7;1 "From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: 21 Apr 93 God's Promise in 2 Chronicles 15:2 Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 10 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu And he went out to meet Asa, And said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, And all Judah and Benjamin; The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you. 2 Chronicles 15:2 ";-1;0 "From: s_ledoux@csc32.enet.dec.com (Scott LeDoux) Subject: Icon Animation Lines: 17 Reply-To: s_ledoux@csc32.enet.dec.com (Scott LeDoux) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation -- CSC/Colorado Srpings Hi Folks. As part of my self-introduction to X I've been trying to do some simple icon animation (sort of like icondoit from mswindows). Changing your own applications icon is fairly simple: If you have a widget ID you can just XtSetValues on XtNiconifyPixmap (or whatever) and you're done. Alternately you can set window manager hints. These methods don't seem to work with icons which your application doesn't specifically own. In my situation I have to change the icon of random windows sitting there in my icon box so my question is: Given a window-id, how do you change the icon pixure ? A working example would be very much appreciated. If it makes any difference, I'm using motif 1.1 on VMS T6.0-5KE. Thanks - Scott :) ";-1;0 "From: scialdone@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (John Scialdone) Subject: CUT Vukota and Pilon!!! News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 32 I have been to all 3 Isles/Caps tilts at the Crap Centre this year, all Isles wins and there is no justification for Vukota and Pilon to play for the Isles. Vukota is absolutely the worst puck handler in the world!! He couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a banjo!! Al must remember a few years back when Mick scored 3 goals in one period against the Caps in a 5-3 Isles win. I was there and was astonished as was the rest of the crowd. Wake-up Al!!! Years later he's gotten worse. He's a cheap shot artist and always ends up getting stupid/senseless penalties. I think he would make a good police officier!!! As for Pilon, he can't carry the puck out to center ice by himself. He either makes a bad pass resulting in a turnover, or he attempts to bring the puck towards the neutral zone and skates right into an opposing skater. He can't stay on his skates with most forwards or centers. He either falls down or committs a penalty. Call up somebody from Capital District AL!!!!! As far as the playoffs, the Isles are as difficult to figure out as the Caps. Two good teams with talent but so inconsistent. They should meet in the first round. The Isles seem to play up to the level of their competition so they should play well against Jersey tonite. It'll probably be another tight 1-goal game as the last 20 games hve been for the Isles. I wish when the get a lead they could continue to pour it on instead of settling back into a defensive shell and letting the opposition get back in the game. Al MUST understand he can't do with this team what he did with the 80-83 Isles. maybe Al should got to. Where is Bobby Nystrom?? Clark Gilles?? John Tonelli?? These are the kind of young minds we need behing the bench!! FIRE AL!!!! John Scialdone SCIALDONE@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV **********When your ship comes in, first man takes the Sail******************** ";13;1 "From: hsieh1@carson.u.washington.edu (Darrell Kirk) Subject: For Sale: Complete Communicator card for IBM-voicemail, modem, Fax Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 8 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Complete Communicator, latest vers. New in box Works in DOS or Windows One card you get fax, voicemail and modem. Auto switch, one line handles all fax, voicemail and modem communications $500 new 250 dollars, and you pay shipping ";-1;0 "From: lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay) Subject: Recommend me a PS printer Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 84 I'm in the market for a laser printer. Used printers are fine, non-apple printers are fine, but whatever printer I get must fit the following: Required features: - PostScript - 300 dpi - emough memory to download fonts - The cheaper, the better. I'd prefer under $1000. Nice things: - anything over 4 pages per minute - scsi output for a font disk - smallish footprint Don't Care About: - PostScript Level II - networking (its just for me, and always will be) - color I know about Freedom of Press, but I've also heard that its painfully slow. I can tolerate about 4 ppm, but anything slower than that and I'm not going to consider the price savings worth it. I'd be curious to hear people's experience with it, tho. I also infinitely prefer laser over ink; I used to use HP deskjets in my last job and wasn't impressed with the quality. I'm a laser bigot and the first to admit it. :) I'll be using the printer to layout pages of a book I'm writing. The page will include multiple fonts, PS graphics, scanned line art and maybe greyscale pictures (not sure yet). The quality doesn't need to be spectacular, but it needs to be clear and readable. Printers I've been looking at: - used LaserWriters: The plus, the NT, the NTR. Its my understanding that only the NTR has a SCSI out for a disk. True? - Personal LaserWriter (LS and NTR). I have access to the Apple Employee discount (I work for one of Apple's spinoffs), so I can get these reasonably cheaply. I've heard bad things about the LS; comments? I'm leaning towards the Personal NTR, cause it has a nice small footprint. - LaserWriter Select 300. I hear it doesn't have PostScript, but I haven't seen anything for sure. I heard mumbles once about a ""postscript upgrade."" ?? - Used HP LaserJets. I've worked with the II and IIP on another platform, and they were *painfully* slow. Are they that bad on the mac? - I've seen ads for an Epson PS laserprinter that is running quite cheap. Any comments on this printer? I hate the styling (too many ouput trays), but if its a decent printer I'll consider it. Thanks for any comments... -- ********************************************************* Laura Lemay lemay@netcom.com writer of trifles in shadows and blood ********************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: felixg@coop.com (Felix Gallo) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Cooperative Computing, Inc. Distribution: na Lines: 31 pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: >If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, [...] Please note that Bill Clinton probably has little if anything to do with the design, implementation or reasoning behind this chip or behind any ""moves"" being made using this chip as a pawn. Remember, when you elect a president of the united states, it's not the case that all the Republicans, etc. in the NSA and FBI and CIA immediately pack their bags and get replaced by a team of fresh young Democrats. Most of the government -- say, 96% -- is appointed or hired rather than elected. Since this Clipper device has been in production for over six months, it probably has little or no foundation in the currently elected Democratic Executive body. >BTW - those who suggest that this is just an attack on Clinton, believe >this: I would be going ballistic reagardless WHO seriously proposed >this thing. It is just another step in a gradual erosion of our rights >under the Constitution or Bill of Rights. The last couple of decades >have been a non-stop series of end-runs around the protections of the >Constitution. It has to stop. Now is as good a time as any, if it >isn't too late allready. Could be. However, the sky hasn't fallen yet, Chicken Little. >-- >pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA > If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat >WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, > and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien ";-1;0 "From: robrick@erenj.com (Bob Brickman) Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? Nntp-Posting-Host: big-geek.erenj.com Organization: ER&E, Clinton, NJ. Opinions solely the author's, not the Company's. Distribution: usa Lines: 27 In article <1quod6$i3n@menudo.uh.edu>, sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu wrote: > > In article <1993Apr19.164734.24779@newsgate.sps.mot.com> > rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com (rodney jacks) writes: > > I would really like to get one of the new CD300i CDROM > > drives for my c650, but my local Apple doesn't know > > when they will be available. He doesn't even have a part > > number yet. Does anyone know what the part number > > for this drive is and when it will be available? > > > > My Apple dealer suggested I buy one of the CD300 external > > drives, but I don't want to pay extra for a case/power supply > > I'm not going to use. > > > > -Rodney Jacks > > (rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com) > While there may not be a part number for the CD300i drive, I have seen a part number for the bezel kit (a new front panel with the slot in it through which you insert the CD). The document (which I got from the 2/10/93 announcement at our Apple office) states the drive kit and bezel kits are separate items and the bezel kit has an SRP of $149 fro the C650. The external unit may be a better deal after all. Bob Brickman -- disclaimer: the preceding represent my personal opinions and do not reflect the opinions, policies, or practices of my employer ";-1;0 "From: baileyc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Christopher R. Bailey) Subject: How do I cause a timeout? Summary: how can I force a strip chart to update Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 20 I have a problem where an Athena strip chart widget is not calling it's get value function. I am pretty sure this is happening because I am not using XtAppMainLoop, but am dealing with events via sockets. (ya ya). Anyway, I want to cause a timeout so that the strip chart widget(s) will call their get value callback. Or if someone knows another FAST way around this (or any way for that matter) let me know. I cannot (or I don't think) call the XtNgetValue callback myself because I don't have the value for the third parameter of the get value proc (XtPointer call_data). In other words, I want to force a strip chart widget to update itself. Any ideas anyone? -- Christopher R. Bailey |Internet: baileyc@dendrite.cs.colorado.edu University of Colorado at Boulder|CompuServe: 70403,1522 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Ride Fast, Take Chances! ";-1;0 "From: blast@nntp.crl.com (Tim Keanini) Subject: ATTN: 160,165c,180 and DUO owners!!! Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com Summary: buzzing Keywords: buzz Be very careful when you plug in a external monitor and a external speaker. Make sure that all the power cords are in the same strip. If you don't you take a chance of having a very bad audio buzz. This is caused be a ""ground loop"" and the only way of getting rid of this loud buzz is to make sure that you have a common ground. Make sure that all the power cords are going in to the same strip or off the same outlet. This will assure you of a common ground. Tim Keanini Sound Designer Broderbund Software ";0;1 "From: ayari@judikael.loria.fr (Ayari Iskander) Subject: Re: Lemieux, NHLPA'93, and other thoughts Organization: Crin - Inria-Lorraine Lines: 16 I think that NHLPA' 93 is the best video game available now. of course many things could be done better, but i really appreciate that the names of players are the real ones, no matter if it lacks some logos... I am still playing it since November leading different teams to the finals and making scorers from the same team compete for the top scoring: Yesterday I won the title using Toronto against Hartford (4 games to two), I played the playoffs in a 7 games fashion (5 minutes for each period) and the best scorer and shooter was Gilmour (116 shots if I remember well) -- _____________________________________________________ Iskander AYARI Email : Iskander.Ayari@loria.fr ou ayari@loria.fr _____________________________________________________ ";-1;0 "From: dgr@ENG.Vitalink.COM (Daniel Robinson) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Nntp-Posting-Host: rodin.eng.vitalink.com Organization: Vitalink Communications / Network Systems Corp., Fremont, CA Distribution: na Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr19.130132.12650@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: +In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: +>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American +>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of + +Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN +CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. +It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals +to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. Hmmm, this could become a flame war very quickly. The text is ""...well regulated militia..."" When that amendment was written and approved, ""regulated"" meand ""armed"". Remember all of those Westerns where bounty hunters were called ""regulators""? This is now an archaic usage of the word, but the original intent of the amendment was about weapons, not control. My $0.02. Dan Robinson ";-1;0 "From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 26 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article L2A@well.sf.ca.us, pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone) writes: > >Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins >left to go left? :-) Or am I confusing two threads here? Three, actually. I believe I discussed countersteering a horse before. Basically, there are two ways to steer a horse, plow-rein and neck-rein. Plow-reining steers him by keeping the reins separate, and you pull in the direction you wish to go. Neck-reining steers a horse by holding the reins together in one hand, and pulling against the horse's neck in the direction you wish to go. When training a plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins under his necks. Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein pulls against the right side of the neck, but the left side of the bit (which the horse is used to from his plow-reining days). Are you sorry you asked yet? --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... ";-1;0 "From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN (Really Station Wagon) Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 7 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.42.145.4 this week's autoweek talks about how wagons are getting back in vogue. i wouldn't mind an audi s4 wagon (great stealth value) but you'll never catch me dead in a minivan! eliot ";-1;0 "From: bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) Subject: Re: Deir Yassin Nntp-Posting-Host: darch Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY Lines: 103 In article <1r94f9$ge3@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.VXF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Vic Filler) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.204243.19392@cs.rit.edu>, >bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes: >> >>I have previously posted quotations by Irgun participants that >>totally destroys Begin's whitewash. I have no particular desire >>to post it yet again. >> >>Brendan. >>(normally bdm@cs.anu.edu.au) > >You apparently think you are some sort of one-man judge and jury who So what are you? >can declare ""total"" victory and then sit back and enjoy the >applause. But you've picked the wrong topic if you think a few >rigged ""quotations"" can sustain the legend and lie of the Deir >Yassin ""massacre."" I don't think that, you are just making noise. >You have a lot to learn when it comes to historical methodology. That's true. I try to learn from people who know more than me, not from useless farts. >At the most basic level, you should know that there is a big >difference between weighing evidence fairly and merely finding >""quotations"" that support your preset opinions. Of course, I have said that more times in this group than anyone else, I'd think. >If you have studied the history of Israel at all you must know that >many of the sources of your ""quotations"" have an axe to grind, and >therefore you must be very careful about whom you ""quote."" For Quite true, that's why I am so careful in selecting quotes. >example, Meir Pa'il, whom you cite, was indeed a general, a scholar, >and a war hero. But that doesn't mean everything that comes out of >his mouth is gold. In fact (and here your lack of experience >shows), Pa'il is such a fanatic, embittered leftist that much of his Oh bullshit. Fanatic my bum. Prove your blah or cork it. >anti-Israel blathering (forget about anti-Irgun blathering) would be >considered something like treason in non-Israel contexts. But of >course you don't consider this AT ALL when you find a juicy >""quotation"" that you can use to attack Israel. How would you know what I consider? Read my mind? >Benny Morris (of Hashomer Hatzair) represents himself as a ""scholar"" >when he rehashes the old attacks on the Irgun. Don't be fooled. >It's just the old Zionist ideological catfight, surfacing as an >attack on the (then-) Likud government. If you will look closely at >the section on Deir Yassin in his book on the War of Independence, >you will see his ""indictment"" to be pure hot air. And this is the >BEST HE CAN DO after decades of digging for any sort of damning >evidence. Unfortunately for him, because his book parades itself as >""scholarly,"" he is forced to put footnotes. So you can clearly see >that his Deir Yassin account is based on nothing. I looked very closely at a large number of sources. You have no idea what you are talking about. >The Deir Yassin ""massacre"" never took place as the propagandists >tell it, any more than the Sabra and Shatila ""massacres."" Do you get That's true about the accounts of both Irgun and Arab propagandists. Like Begin, for example. >the feeling people like to blame the Jews for ""massacres,"" even if No, I never got that feeling. I got rather opposite feelings about people like you, though. >they have to make them up? It must sound spicy. Even some Jews >like to do it, for reasons of their own. Honesty? Perhaps you would explain the testimony from members of the Irgun, to be found in their own handwriting in the Irgun Archives in Tel Aviv, that the wounded Arabs were killed, that a group of 80 prisoners was massacred, that Lehi proposed exterminating everybody at the pre-raid meeting. Exactly what reasons can you propose that this testimony should be rejected in favour of Begin's? >Please, don't confuse any of you Deir Yassin ""massacre"" stuff >with facts or scholarship. You should stick to Begin's version >unless you find something serious to contradict it. This is very funny. You carried on about unsupported evidence, propagandists, axes to grind, and you end up telling us to stick to the account of the leader of the alleged killers. You are obviously a hopeless case, as everyone can plainly see. >Vic Brendan. ";-1;0 "From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 >because the USA is bankrupt and simply cannot afford to finance the >Israeli ecconomy any more. There is no money for such an occupation. > > >Don't fool yourself. It was the gulf war that brought the Israelis to the >negotiating table. Once their US backers had a secure base in the gulf >they insrtructed Shamir to negotiate or else. > > >Phill Hallam-Baker Oh, why do you expose your ignorance? The US has been running on debt for the past four generations and has still financed what it pleases. And after the Gulf War, Israel could do whatever it wanted after not decimating Iraq after the Scud attacks. It was encouraged, but by no means forced, to negotiate. Mr. Baker, to address all of your points would be impossible, but in a nutshell, it is hypocritical for you to attack Israel's presence in Lebanon without attacking Syria. Syrian occupation has been hostile, and amounts to annexation. Israel's is clearly defensive. If it were not defensive, you would see all of Lebanon occupied, and governed by Israel. But that is not what Israel wants. Pete ";-1;0 "From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: 18 Apr 93 God's Promise in Philippians 4:9 Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 8 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you. Philippians 4:9 ";-1;0 "From: alai@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Anthony Lai) Subject: <<<< SALE: 3 Software Packages ... pcANYWHERE, antivirus, deltagraph >>> Nntp-Posting-Host: balboa.eng.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 28 Hello, I have three software packages for sale: 1. The Norton pcANYWHERE version 4.5 for dos. This software include host and remote software. It can control both dos and windows 3.1 (both standard and enhanced modes) activities. Registration card is enclosed. Price: $40.00 2. The Norton AntiVirus for windows and dos version 2.1. It can update virus information any time. It also support networks. Registration card is enclosed. Price: $40.00 3. DeltaGraph Professional for Windows 3.1. This is the BEST graphics presentation program I have ever seen. Registration card is enclosed. Reg. Price: $495.00 Price: $150.00 Thank you for your attention. Anthony Lai ";-1;0 "From: neuharth@hardy.u.washington.edu (John Neuharth) Subject: Re: New Uniforms Article-I.D.: shelley.1pserkINNltg Organization: University of Washington Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu jpopovich@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: >While I enjoy the trend towards the more classic style of uniform - >and I disagree with the person who wants a return to the non-gray road >uniforms - it should be remembered that one of the, if not THE reason >for the redesigning of uniforms, especially hats (re: the new road all >green A's caps and the cardinal navy blue road cap), is the marketing >money to be made in sales of new merchandise. no kidding...just ask the White Sox... too bad, really... -John Neuharth neuharth@u.washington.edu ";-1;0 "From: mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P. Anderson) Subject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960's Distribution: usa Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 11 In article <15413@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >What they broke in the DNC for is still open to serious question. Some tape archivists suggest what they were after had something to do with the Kennedy assasination. Let's hear all of the tapes real soon, shall we? MPA ";-1;0 "From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 4 I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. ";-1;0 "From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: free moral agency and Jeff Clark Lines: 47 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 47 In article <16BB112DFC.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) >Subject: Re: free moral agency and Jeff Clark >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:28:27 GMT >In article >healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: > >(Deletion) >>You also said,""Why did millions suffer for what Adam and Ee did? Seems a >>pretty sick way of going about creating a universe..."" >> >>I'm gonna respond by giving a small theology lesson--forgive me, I used >>to be a theology major. >>First of all, I believe that this planet is involved in a cosmic struggle-- >>""the Great Controversy betweed Christ and Satan"" (i borrowed a book title). >>God has to consider the interests of the entire universe when making >>decisions. >(Deletion) > >An universe it has created. By the way, can you tell me why it is less >tyrannic to let one of one's own creatures do what it likes to others? >By your definitions, your god has created Satan with full knowledge what >would happen - including every choice of Satan. > >Can you explain us what Free Will is, and how it goes along with omniscience? >Didn't your god know everything that would happen even before it created the >world? Why is it concerned about being a tyrant when noone would care if >everything was fine for them? That the whole idea comes from the possibility >to abuse power, something your god introduced according to your description? > > >By the way, are you sure that you have read the FAQ? Especially the part >about preaching? > Benedikt I don't feel that I'm preaching. I'm just trying to answer people's questions and talking about my religion, my beliefs. When it comes to what I post, I don't do it with the intent of converting anyone. I don't expect for the atheists in this newsgroup to take what I say with a grain of salt if they so wish. I just state what I beleve, they ask me how I believeit and why and we all go on. If that's preaching, then I'm soory and I'll get off the soapbox. Tammy ";-1;0 "From: Ravi Konchigeri Subject: Re: LCIII problems X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 02:11:55 GMT Organization: Stanford University X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 24 In article <1qmgjk$ao5@menudo.uh.edu> , sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes: > Its not a good idea to have a horizontally formatted hard disk in a >vertical position. If the drive is formatted in a horizontal position, it can >not completely compensate for the gravitational pull in a vertical position. >I'm not saying that your hard disk will fail tomorrow or 6 months from now, but >why take that chance? If you want more detailed info on the problem, please I think the other replies sum up the fact that you can place a hard drive on its side. The point is this will only be sure to work on the 'new' drives, namely 1/3 ht LPS drives that have a smaller platter and are also more stable. Why should I take the chance? Because I've been running a Maxtor 1/3 ht 120 LPS on both its side and flat for about a year and I've had no problems with it. Period. Like I always say, NEVER trust the manufacturer. ""Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile."" Ravi Konchigeri. mongoose@leland.stanford.edu ";0;1 "From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Re: Freemasonry and the Southern Baptist Convention Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 20 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, jluther@cs.umr.edu (John W. Luther) says: John: It not ""good netiquette"" to quote a complete article :-) NOTHING PERSONAL, Please! :-) >I also appreciate your being amused >by such determined ignorance. Without taking anything away >from your mirth, I want to say that these views sadden me. > This views sadden me too! Don't think that I don't care! Sorry if it seemed different. It IS serious stuff; but I have a 'sick' sense of humor though (some say... :-) Tolerance! Tony ";-1;0 "From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang) Subject: Minolta FD 50 mm forsale Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 4 Minolta FD 50 mm lens for sale. Good condition. Asking $30. Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu ";-1;0 "From: sciysg@nusunix1.nus.sg (Yung Shing Gene) Subject: Mission Aviation Fellowship Organization: National University of Singapore Lines: 3 Hi, Does anyone know anything about this group and what they do? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks! ";-1;0 "From: j_meyer@informatik.uni-kl.de (Joerg Meyer) Subject: VideoBlaster & PC SPEAKER Keywords: Video Blaster Speaker Driver Reply-To: j_meyer@informatik.uni-kl.de (Joerg Meyer) Organization: University of Kaiserslautern (Germany) Lines: 28 Software that comes together with the VideoBlaster is designed to work together with the SoundBlaster (from the same manufacturer). Since I do not own a SoundBlaster: is there a possibility to use the PC Speaker driver to play audio files for the VideoBlaster (.AVI = audio video interleave files) ? I think what I should have is a device driver for the Media Player that controls the PC Speaker Driver instead of the SoundBlaster card (something like MCISPKR.DRV). Has anybody heard of such a driver? Or am I on the wrong track? Any information on this appreciated! (Please send e-mail, since I don't watch this group regularly.) _V_ | Joerg Meyer / \ | E-Mail: j_meyer@informatik.uni-kl.de |O O| | University of Kaiserslautern, Germany ooO--U--Ooo | ------- This space for rent ! ------- ";6;1 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?! Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr19.185326.9830@Princeton.EDU> mg@cs.princeton.edu (Michael Golan) writes: >The board itself is also identical, with room for all three caps. The >US/Can versions is clearly indicated in both places. > >How does that make sense? 0.047/2 is 0.0235, essentially 0.022 for caps >(there are just standard caps, no special W/type/precision). This may be a safety issue; the CSA is more paranoid in certain areas than UL and such. Two caps in series means that you don't have a short if one of them shorts. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";-1;0 "From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 108 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) write: >In article <1qpu0uINNbt1@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: >>wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >>Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the ""figure includes a >>hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers"" This is sloppy people and DUMB. >What group is this? This is not a MAC group. Nice of you to DELETE BOTH YOUR responce and the item that prompted it. to whit: >>I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I ^^^ >>haven't seen IDE drives cheaper. To which YOU responded: >A friend of mine just got a Maxtor 245 meg IDE drive for $320. (that's 245 >million bytes, or 234 mega-bytes). With the basic $20 interface, he gets >close to 1 meg/sec transfer on his 286-20. Does your figure include a few >hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers? To which I correctly pointed out the following: >Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the ""figure includes a >hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers"" This is sloppy people and DUMB. As I said this is sloppy and DUMB {YOU should resounded by DISCOUNTING the Mac NOT giving ""Maxtor 245 meg IDE drive for $320"" example. By giving an example you give the IMPLIED consent that for MAC info to be INCLUDED in the SCSI discusion.} >>Ok once again with the SCSI spec list: >Why the spec list again? We are talking SCSI on a PC, not on a MAC or >a UNIX box. And we are talking ISA bus, or possibly EISA or VLB. Ok I will do this V E R Y S L O W L Y so you can understand REGUARDLESS of whether it is a Mac or a PC SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 are DIFFERENT from each other as is asynchronous and synchronous SCSI-1. All of these have DIFFERENT SPEEDS and COSTS. Lumping them all together as 'SCSI' is dumb and sloppy. Take again the quote later on as an example of the problem in the PC world {The spec list was so that you knew where the numbers were coming from in the article. It shows the article is CORRECT in it staments about SCSI but not CONSITANT}. >This isin't comp.periphs.SCSI. With the way this thread has gone how do you tell :-). >Tell me what the performance figures are with a single SCSI drive on a PC >with an ISA (or EISA or VLB) bus. Already GAVE them. YOU keep deleting them! So here are the Specs on everybody AGAIN {With some added info}: SCSI-1 {SCSI-1 controler chip} asynchronous range: 0-3MB/s synchronous range: 0-5MB/s Both common to the PC world; difference is mainly in software not hardware. SCSI-1 {SCSI-2 controller chip; also called SCSI-2 (8-bit)}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst. This is advertised as SCSI-2 in BYTE 4/93:159 FOR the PC and AT THESE SPEEDS.{NOT the Mac, the PC.} {I have not seen the following for EITHER the Mac or the PC} SCSI-2 {16-bit/wide or fast mode}: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst SCSI-2 {32-bit/wide AND fast}: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst On the other interfaces let DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu speak: >IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. asynchronous range: 0-5MB/s {infered from BYTE 4/93:159} synchronous range: 0-8.3MB/s. >ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions) wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >Theoretical performance figures are not relevant to this group or this >debate. I'm sure that there are some platforms out there that can >handle the 40 megs/sec of SCSI xyz wide'n'fast, but the PC isin't one of >them. Note that I ALSO give the AVERAGE through put for SCSI-2 which holds true a Mac OR IBM/PC clone with the correct hardware and software. And since PC ADVERSIZEMENTS are using Theoretical performance figures WHY CANNOT WE? >>If we are to continue this thread STATE CLEARLY WHICH SCSI you are talking >>about SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 or SCSI over all {SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2} >>IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. >Well maybe if the SCSI design people had their act together than maybe >all PC's would have built in SCSI ports by now. With PC articles like the following it is obvious that the problem is NOT with SCSI but with the PEOPLE WHO REPORT IT! {Like YOU.} Look at the inconsitant use of SCSI in the below quote: (My comments in {}) ""Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI,{This is asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} 20% faster than IDE..."" {this is BOTH asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip AND 8-bit SCSI-2} PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 The ARTICLE is confused, NOT SCSI. The TERM is a mess from inconsitant use NOT because the interface itself is a mess. SCSI means ""The set of SCSI interfaces composed of SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2"" NOT 'SCSI-1' as some people want to use it. To read CONSITANTLY the quote SHOULD read: {asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} ""Although asynchronous SCSI-1 is twice as fast as ESDI, one third the speed of IDE..."" or {asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip or 8-bit SCSI-2} ""Although SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip and 8-bit SCSI-2 are eight times as fast as ESDI, 20% faster than IDE..."" NOTE the NONUSE of 'SCSI' by itself. This eliminates ambaguity. If we are to continue this thread STATE CLEARLY WHICH SCSI you are talking about SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 or SCSI over all {SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2}. Lumping everything into SCSI as SCSI-1 is SLOPPY, WRONG, and DUMB. Inconsitant SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 usage is also a problem. Clean it up now or have a mess like SVGA was several years ago because everybody and his Uncle slapped 'SCSA' an their own monitor inteface {SCSI IS standarized unlike SVGA was years ago EXCEPT in terminaology.} ";-1;0 "From: skinner@sp94.csrd.uiuc.edu (Gregg Skinner) Subject: Re: Language and agreement Reply-To: g-skinner@uiuc.edu Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development Lines: 16 m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: Mr. Meritt, please state explicitly the inductive argument which leads you to conclude Mr. Tice thinks it ""OK"" to take biblical quotes out of context in some other t.r.m. articles. Also, please explain why you rely on inductive reasoning (with its implicit uncertainty) in determining Mr. Tice's opinions when the man is himself clearly available for questioning. Finally, please indicate whether you agree (yes or no) with the following statement: The word ""agree"" and the phrase ""not disagree"" are identical in meaning. ";-1;0 "From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 17 Gene Wright (gene@theporch.raider.net) wrote: : Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation : who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. : Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin : to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! I'm an advocate of this idea for funding Space Station work, and I throw around the $1 billion figure for that ""reward."" I suggest that you increase the Lunar reward to about $3 billion. This would encourage private industry to invest in space, which should be one of NASA's primary goals. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 ""Better. Faster. Cheaper."" -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator ";-1;0 "From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah! Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 21 hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: >Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are using >civilians for cover, are they not killing SOLDIERS in THEIR country? So, it's okay to use civilians for cover if you're attacking soldiers in your country. (Of course, many of those attacking claim that they aren't Lebanese, so it's not their country.) Got it. I think. Hmm. This is confusing. Could you perhaps repeat your rules explaining exactly when it is permissible to use civilians as shields? Also please explain under what conditions it is permissible for soldiers to defend themselves. Also please explain the particular rules that make it okay for terrorists to launch missiles from Lebanon against Israeli civilians, but not okay for the Israelis to try to defend themselves against those missiles. -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org ";-1;0 "Subject: Put ex. syquest in Centris 610? From: kmoffatt@cstp.umkc.edu Organization: UM - Kansas City, Computer Science NNTP-Posting-Host: vax2.cstp.umkc.edu Lines: 17 I remember reading a thread a few days ago that mentioned removing an external syquest drive from its case and dropping it in the internal drive of a Centris. . . I was going to do that with my 610, but had a couple of questions. My PLI 80M syquest drive has a wire from the drive to an id# switch on the outside of the case. Where do I connect this switch?? Can the computer just ""tell"" with internal drives? I noticed that the drive will lay over part of the motherboard (I didn't look closely, but I seem to recall it laying over the ram that's soldered onto the motherboard? Would that cause problems? One last question! Is there anywhere to order a faceplate cover? the drive's front panel is smaller than the space left in the case (the drive's panel is the same size as the spotsBM clone's cases). Should I just cut a hole in the plastic panel that is currently holding tmpty place? Ans are welcomed! Thanks! Keith Moffatt KMOFFATT@VAX2.CSTP.UMKC.EDU ";-1;0 "Distribution: world From: Robert_N._Ward@bmug.org Organization: BMUG, Inc. Subject: Great deal! Lines: 10 For those of you who have TI ps35 laser printers, if you want an envelope feeder, they are now on sale, direct from TI for the unbelievable price of $45! Call 1-800-847-2787. Same for extra paper trays. They have too many gray ones and want to move them out. Strange but true. --The Bobmeister **** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in **** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views. ";-1;0 "From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr23.123433.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 43 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <1r96hb$kbi@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: > In article <1993Apr23.001718.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >>In article <1r6b7v$ec5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >>> Besides this was the same line of horse puckey the mining companies claimed >>> when they were told to pay for restoring land after strip mining. >>=== >>I aint talking the large or even the ""mining companies"" I am talking the small >>miners, the people who have themselves and a few employees (if at all).The >>people who go out every year and set up thier sluice box, and such and do >>mining the semi-old fashion way.. (okay they use modern methods toa point). > > > Lot's of these small miners are no longer miners. THey are people living > rent free on Federal land, under the claim of being a miner. The facts are > many of these people do not sustaint heir income from mining, do not > often even live their full time, and do fotentimes do a fair bit > of environmental damage. > > These minign statutes were created inthe 1830's-1870's when the west was > uninhabited and were designed to bring people into the frontier. Times change > people change. DEAL. you don't have a constitutional right to live off > the same industry forever. Anyone who claims the have a right to their > job in particular, is spouting nonsense. THis has been a long term > federal welfare program, that has outlived it's usefulness. > > pat > Hum, do you enjoy putting words in my mouth? Come to Nome and meet some of these miners.. I am not sure how things go down south in the lower 48 (I used to visit, but), of course to believe the media/news its going to heck (or just plain crazy). Well it seems that alot of Unionist types seem to think that having a job is a right, and not a priviledge. Right to the same job as your forbearers, SEE: Kennedy's and tel me what you see (and the families they have married into). There is a reason why many historians and poli-sci types use unionist and socialist in the same breath. The miners that I know, are just your average hardworking people who pay there taxes and earn a living.. But taxes are not the answer. But maybe we could move this discussion to some more appropriate newsgroup.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked ";-1;0 "From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) Subject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea... Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma Lines: 35 In article <1qn1ic$hp6@access.digex.net> pcw@access.digex.com (Peter Wayner) writes: >Okay, let's suppose that the NSA/NIST/Mykotronix Registered >Key system becomes standard and I'm able to buy such a system >from my local radio shack. Every phone comes with a built in >chip and the government has the key to every phone call. >I go and buy a phone and dutifully register the key. > >What's to prevent me from swapping phones with a friend or >buying a used phone at a garage sale? Whooa. The secret registered >keys just became unsynchronized. When the government comes It's very possible, even likely, that the serial number of the invididual chip is broadcast either in a standard encrypted format, so that all the big brother types need to do is listen to the traffic, get a court order (generally just by saying that they think you may be a crook) and go to it. r >to listen in, they only receive gobbledly-gook because the >secret key registered under my name isn't the right one. > >That leads me to conjecture that: > >1) The system isn't that secure. There are just two master keys >that work for all the phones in the country. The part about >registering your keys is just bogus. > >or > >2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks >like this. Criminals will quickly figure this out and go to >town. > >In either case, I think we need to look at this a bit deeper.""'jbl)mW:wxlD2 ";-1;0 "From: r4938585@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (Doug Roberts) Subject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series) Organization: University of Arizona, Biotechnology, Tucson Lines: 17 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: joplin.biosci.arizona.edu In article bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes: >RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. You >can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains: > > The team that scores more runs wins the game! > --------------------------------------------- >Flame Away >-- John Bratt OK, you asked for it! I guess that doesn't bode well for the Cubs then does it? Doug Roberts - ""Willing to trade Frank Bolick for a bag of used baseballs!"" - ""Let's go Expos!"" ";-1;0 "From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: ""The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"" Lines: 16 backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes: > In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ana > Anas, of course ! The YAHUD needed blood for the matza. After all, Passover > *was* last month :-) ^^^^^^^^^^ Josh, were you in such a hurry? WE celebrated Pesach THIS month, but only with Xtian blood! Muslim blood hasn't been declared ""Kosher le Pesach"" by our Hechscher (not yet) :-) :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manfredo Tichauer M. EMAIL : tichauer@valpso.hanse.de Opitzstrasse 14 VOICE : (++ 49 40) 27.42.27 2000 Hamburg 60 - GERMANY FAX : (++ 49 40) 270.53.09 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: sinn@carson.u.washington.edu (Philip Sinn) Subject: Need Info of Maxtor 340SY SCSI jumper ID setting. Summary: Jumper ID of Maxtor 340SY harddrive Keywords: harddisk, Maxtor Article-I.D.: shelley.1qusbtINNd9c Distribution: na Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu I got a harddisk shipped with an IDE specification but not the SCSI spec. Would someone tell me how to set the jumper on the harddrive? Thanks. Please email response. Philip Sinn sinn@carson.u.washington.edu University of Washington ";-1;0 "From: vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 32 In article dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: >Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference >between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e. >regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an >absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance? > > They sound like one and the same to me. > > I see no wisdom whatsoever in your words I'm not surprised that you see no wisdom in them. That is because your premises are wrong from the word ""Go"". You claim that Christianity is based on blind faith, but this simply is not so. Just look at the current thread on the evidence for Jesus' resurrection for evidence that Jesus was real and that he triumphed over death. Furthermore, you say that Christians hold to their beliefs ""regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary."" Without any evidence to support your claim, this statement is little more than an ad hominem argument. Mind you, I don't mean this as a personal attack. I'm merely pointing out the intellectual dishonesty behind condemning Christianity in this fashion. It would make much more sense if you could prove that all Christians do base their belief on empty nothings, and that they do ignore all evidence to the contrary. Only then can you expect your attack to make sense. -- Virgilio ""Dean"" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee ""Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"" | My boss is a ""Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!"" | Jewish carpenter. ";17;1 "From: cs1442au@news.uta.edu (cs1442au) Subject: Dos 6.0 question Organization: University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 17 Could some kind soul please email ma a response since i don't have much time to read this group. Question: I have a 170 MB hard drive which currently has 10 MB left. How much space will DoubleSpace allow me to have?? I have a 486 50 w/ 4 MB Ram if it matters. Thanks in advance Jason -- Jason Brown cs1442au@decster.uta.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fav player Ruben Sierra ";-1;0 "From: v064mb9k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL B. GANDLER) Subject: Need diode model for PSpice Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 15 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu Im designing a circuit with just a silicon diode. I dont need to modify any of the parameters. But the problem will not accept the following statement .model diode D The pspice book I have is terrible. I would appreciate any help. Neil Gandler _____________________________________________________________________________ Gandler Electronics Home Automation & electronic design technology _____________________________________________________________________________ ";-1;0 "From: Mark.Perew@p201.f208.n103.z1.fidonet.org Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 15 In a message of , jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: >In article <1993Apr19.020359.26996@sq.sq.com>, msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) >writes: MB> So the MB> 1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove. JG>Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language. Couldn't we just say periapsis or apoapsis? --- msged 2.07 ";-1;0 "From: kelleyb@austin.ibm.com (Kelley Boylan) Subject: Re: IIsi at 33MHz success story Originator: kelleyb@kelleyb.austin.ibm.com Distribution: usa Reply-To: kelleyb@austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin, PowerPC Lines: 17 > Howdy folks. Back in September or October '92 I posted instructions > on how to upgrade the IIsi to 25mhz by doin' a little solderin'. > People bolder than me have reported that they've done the same > procedure, but put in a 66mhz oscillator instead of 50. (Thus running > the cpu at 33mhz instead of 25.) So I tried it and I'll be darned if > it doesn't work. Has anyone tried or does anyone know if this procedure will work on an SE/30? Mine's old, slow, and in need of either death or power. -Kelley- -- --------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Kelley Boylan, PowerPC, IBM Austin, (512) 838-1869 --------------------------------------------------------- kelleyb@austin.ibm.com ";-1;0 "From: lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Reply-To: lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson) Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr6.142037.9246@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: |> |>In article <1993Apr6.044323.22829@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy) writes: |>> |>>You know, you're absolutely right. I think we should round up all those |>>players of European descent and ship 'em back to where they came from. Let's |>>see, with whom should we start? I dunno, Lemieux? Hmmm...sounds like he |>>has *French* blood in him!!! Hey! France is part of Europe! Send that |>>Euro-blooded boy back!!! |>> |> |>Don't you Americans study history...the French settled in North America |>as early or before the British...Lemieux can probably trace back his |>North American heritage back a lot further than most of us. |> |>Gerald |> Uh, Gerald, I think he was joking... -lisa ";-1;0 "From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory Dandulakis) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 59 In article <93106.082650FINAID5@auvm.american.edu> writes: >Message-ID: <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu> Mr.Napoleon responds: > >** There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor >**until 1923 Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? > > >Is that so? or you were taking advantage of weakness of ottoman >empire to grab some land. As soon as you got green lights from >allied forces, you occupied Izmir and other cities in western >Turkey. You killed and raped millions people without any reason. >Of course, you paid the price. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk made >you swim in aegean sea but not far enough. Your aggressions thru >Turkey at anytime in the past did not get you any reward and shall >not get you anywhere. Don't swallow propaganda as truth Sir. British promised to Venizelos (greek PM) that mainly greek populated areas of the Ottomans will be given to Greece, _if_ he will agree to drag Greece in the side of the British during the WWI (because the greek King was proGerman). The British succeeded by bombarding Athens (1916), killing quite a few, forcing abdication of the King, division of Greece into two separate states (North-South), and finally laying the ground for the most disasterous division between greeks for our century.(So don't feel bitter that the ""Allies"" gave any green light because they liked us....) Anyway, the British succeed to establish Venizelos, war starts at a second front against the Germans in the south while they were fighting the war in the East against the Russians, and finally the WWII came in an end. After that the British (and French) forgot immediately their promises (as usually). Even though publicly they say that they support the Greek cause, practically they not only do nothing, but instead, using some usual ""reasoning"" and other crap rhetoric as a pretext, they gradually backup Kemal (who had given now to the British ""water and bread"" that he will dissolve the superethnic Ottoman and contract it into a small ethnic-state). The main drive behind this British switch was the plan to keep a Muslim state in the region as buffer against a Russian expansion into warm-water facilities. The ""greek empire"" being an Orthodox Christian state was too prone to become Russian client. Out of this intrigue, the current state of affairs was established on our lands. While Venizelos and Kemal were promoted as true ""Giants"" by the British, since they worked to realize their goals in the region. Under the same plan, currently Greece and Turkey are recipients of big military funds from the US; both they are functioning as anti-Russian buffers, while simultaneously both remain good clients of State Dept. because otherwise the use of terror of changing ""the balance of power in the Aegean"" will be used. Under the same exact rational you should see the Cyprus problem. Gr PS: I don't make any anti-...whatever rhetoric. This is the situation in our region and needs to be said. The previously mentioned powers are not anything special; they are fucntioning the same way which anyone else functions all throughout history. So I don't selectively single them out; just they are relevant to _our_ current afairs. ";-1;0 "From: betel@camelot.bradley.edu (Robert Crawford) Subject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher? Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Bradley University Lines: 20 Jay Fenton writes: >How can the government tell which encryption method one is using without >being able to decode the traffic? i.e., In order to accuse me of using an >unauthorized strong encryption technique they would have to take both >keys out of escrow, run them against my ciphertext and ""draw a blank"". I was thinking about this, also. It's quite possible the system transmits, in clear, the serial number of the device being used. That way they can start a tap, get the serial number, and use the warrant for the first tap to get the key. If they tap someone who's apparently using encryption, but don't find that prefix, then they'll assume it's an ""un-authorized"" encryption scheme. -- May the Kloo Gnomes be generous to you. Robert Crawford betel@camelot.bradley.edu ";-1;0 "From: egg@dstos3.dsto.gov.au Subject: Chosing optimal colors for colormap ? Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: dstos3.dsto.gov.au Hi, I'm looking for an algorithm that would generate a good cross-section of RGB colours given a limited colour map size. The problem: I'm writing an application for the PC that may have at most 256 colors. I want to use one colormap (palette) for the application but I'd like it to contain an even spread of colours of the visible spectrum. I could use a 6x6x6 RGB cube but the problem is that a lot of those colours are almost identical to the human eye. Does anyone know how I can optimize my choice of colors ? ";1;1 "From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) Subject: Re: Part 4 (Re: Looks like Clayton must retract Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random. Distribution: ca Lines: 48 In article <1ppi1gINNg19@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) writes: >>>Does the greatly increased rates of incarceration amongst >>>blacks show that they are dysfunctional or that the majority >>>of them support criminal activity? >>> >Isn't this a matter of demographics? Doesn't this simply show >that since criminal behaviour is common (or apt to be common) >in the 18-34 (insert your favorite correct numbers here) year >old range and since the percentage of blacks in this range is >higher than in other groups, then it follows statistically >that more blacks in prison is an expected result? > >Note that I haven't said anything about blacks being given >stiffer or longer sentences than other groups. I'm sure this >has to have an effect on the issue of over-representation of >blacks in prison... Blacks have the same (+- 2%) crime report rate, arrest rate, and incarceration rate for violent crimes. So I doubt that for violent crimes, that there is any inherent bias mechanism present. There is a wider discrepancy for all crimes for blacks wrt to 3 categories. Interestingly enough, the discrepancy is the largest in the Southern United States -- where blacks are incarcerated well BELOW the average in the rest of the United States! Which points to an anti-bias-against wrt blacks. In any case, for violent crimes and burglary and drug selling, blacks are reported 53%, arrested 44%, and are present in jails/prisons 47% (1988). Considering that 12% of the population is black, 6% are black males, and some percentage of that is out of the high/low age groups, we do have a situation where (if I remember my old calculations right) 4% of the population commits almost half of the really nasty crimes. Blacks with similar histories (crime) to whites get the same sentences, except in the South, where they receive around 20% less on paper!! -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh? These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...) ";-1;0 "From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi Subject: TPS will stay on the top... Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: tne01.tele.nokia.fi Organization: Nokia Telecommunications. MIGHTY ONES GET MIGHTIER: TPS, the Finnish Champions 1992/3, are getting still stronger! I just heard some news, according to which TPS has acquired the next Finnish hockey superstar(??) Jere Lehtinen from Kiekko-Espoo! There are also some rumours about Erik Kakko (Reipas) and Marko Jantunen (KalPa) being traded to TPS. Both of this players are currently on the Finnish olympic team. I think that Jantunen is drafted to the NHL, too. BTW. Is Juha Yl|nen (centre, HPK) drafted by the Jets?? During last year he has reached the top level among Finnish centres. He had very good playoff games against TPS! Hannu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GO JETS GO ! >>>>>>>> TEEMU ! >>>>>>> TEPPO ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> TAPPARA >>>>>> CANADIENS >>>>>>> BLACKHAWKS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ";-1;0 "From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane) Subject: Re: Flaming Nazis Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 94 In article <1qsami$3h7@access.digex.net>, dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney) writes: >The trouble with trying to find out the truth is that Roehm and his >buddies were ACCUSED OF being flaming faggots, one of the pretexts for the >Night of Long Knives in which Roehm and most of the SA wing of the NSDAP >were purged. Stop! Hold it! You have a few problems here. Official history says that the first accusations of homosexuality in the SA came from OUTSIDE of the Nazi party, long BEFORE the Nazis ever came to power. So this objection is a red herring, even if established history is wrong on this point. Moreover, none of the histories I've read ever made mention of Hitler or anyone else ever using homosexuality as a pretext for purging Roehm. A point I saw reiterated was that Hitler and the party covered up these accusations. If you are going to accuse official history of being a fabrication, you should at least get your facts right. The pretext for purging Roehm was that he was planning to use the SA in a coup against Hitler. Nowhere is there mention of using allegations of homosexuality as a pretext for the purge, nor as a justification afterwards (it is possible that the histories I've read have not mentioned this, but I doubt it - would it be in Hitler's best interest to admit to the world that his former right hand man was a homosexual?). Anyway, as I said before, it is always possible that I have missed references to the Nazis making use of charges of homosexuality against the SA after the night of the long knives - but this does not prove that they were false. Even the Nazis could tell the truth when it was to their advantage. In any case, this does not deal with accusations of homosexuality in the SA during the 1920's. >Since the accusers thereafter controlled the records, >anything bearing on the subject -- true or not -- has to be considered >tainted evidence. Ah, yes. I forgot this was being posted to alt.conspiracy. I can smell the paranoia from here. Since the Nazis never officially charged Roehm with homosexuality (at least, not according to what I've read), I'd like to know what tainted ""evidence"" you are talking about. Since the accusations were made by persons outside of the Nazi party, long before it came to power, and those accusations were common knowledge to journalists and others in Germany in the 1920's and 30's, just how would it be possible for the Nazis to go back in time and plant ""tainted"" evidence? How exactly does one doctor newspapers which were circulated around the world, without the discrepancies being obvious? What actual incidences of Nazi doctoring evidence on this matter do you know about? And what about the testimony of people who were involved in these matters, some of whom were not Nazis? And what is the point of making a false accusation of homosexuality if you do not publicize it? Since the point here seems to be to discredit established history, then the burden of proof falls on the revisionist. The revisionists had better do their homework before making accusations. Otherwise they simply look like conspiracy nuts. >The available data suggest that Roehm and his crowd, >the SA -- Sturmabteilung, ""Storm Troopers"" -- left the world a better >place when they departed, This is just about the *only* thing we agree on. I suspect that the notion that there might have been bad people - Roehm and his SA buddies - who were homosexuals must disturb some people. The feeling seems to be that if a nasty individual is accused of homosexuality, that this must be an attempt to bash homosexuals. This fear - often justified - is what lies behind this distrust of official history, or so it seems to me. But this is not a good justification for trashing accepted accounts of this subject. If you really think that historians are so incompetent, why don't you write them and ask where they got their sources on this subject, if you can't tell from their footnotes? I'm a graduate student in history. Writing to professors and tracking down sources is old hat. But my time is limited and this is not my specialty - and neither you nor anyone else have said anything that would cast one shred of doubt on existing evidence. I'm not going to waste my time trying to debunk someone's paranoia. Do the research yourself. >but concrete particulars are still no more than >more or less shrewd guesses. >-- Diccon Frankborn Given that you already consider all evidence ""tainted"", what on earth would constitute concrete particulars? And since when have concrete particulars been considered ""shrewd guesses""? I suggest that those who do not trust popular historians (Irving et al) - historians writing for a popular audience do not, as a rule, provide copious footnotes - should try instead reading academic historians, who usually provide footnotes to all their sources in immmense detail. This is the place to start looking. Assuming that one really wants to know the truth. I'll bet the folks on alt.pagan are tired of this subject already. My apologies - we seem to have gone off on a bit of a tangent. I forget which gods are responsible for keeping strings within appropriate newsgroup subject boundaries... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) ""...Be in me as the eternal moods of the bleak wind...Let the Gods speak softly of us in days hereafter..."" (Ezra Pound) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ";-1;0 "From: schnitzi@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: University of Central Florida Lines: 33 atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: >1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever. >2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death > is unfair. > I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, >eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. Well, I think that most Christians believe that your conciousness will somehow continue on after your 'physical' death, which contradicts what most atheists (myself included) believe, namely that your conciousness, being contained in your brain, dies when your brain dies. >There's no >reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad >enough. I fear the pain that often comes with the process of dying, but since I won't be around to worry about it, I don't fear eternal death. > Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since >the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. This is something I've always found confusing. If all your nerve endings die with your physical body, why would flame hurt you? How can one ""wail and gnash teeth"" with no lungs and no teeth? Mark Schnitzius schnitzi@eola.cs.ucf.edu University of Central Florida ";-1;0 "From: rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) Subject: Re: Multi-screen apps and window managers Organization: ELIN Energeanwendung Ges.m.b.H Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: sun3.eeam.elin.co.at X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] : ======================================================================== : Jo Pelkey Phone: (509)375-6947 : Battelle Pacific Northwest Labs Fax: (509)375-3641 : Mail Stop K7-22 Email: je_pelkey@pnl.gov : P.O. Box 999 : Richland, WA 99352 : ======================================================================== Hi Jo, I'm also interested in your questions, so if you get any answers via email and not via repost please let me know. Thanks, rainer. -- Rainer Hochreiter | Telephone: +43 (1) 89100 / 3961 ELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH | Telefax : +43 (1) 89100 / 3387 Penzingerstr. 76 | A-1141 Wien, Austria/Europe | E-mail : rainer@elin.co.at ";-1;0 "From: Sebastian_Beer@lippebox.fido.de (Sebastian Beer) Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor X-Comment-To: (Don A.b. Lindbergh) Organization: Lines: 20 X-Gateway: FIDOGATE 2.4 Don A.B. Lindbergh meinte am 15.04.93 zum Thema ""Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor"": DA> Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 DA> driver? Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the DA> menus) but it's a recently delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the DA> latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered if anyone else had seen this. No not at all. I'm using SS24X with BIOS 2.03 and driver from 13. Januar '93. I've never had any problems with the mouse cursor. Is there already a newer driver published? Greetings Sebastian Beer GIMME GUMMI - lass die Sau raus ";-1;0 "From: ran@doc.ic.ac.uk (Robert A Nicholls) Subject: VB to MSACCESS DDE communications Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK. Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: swan.doc.ic.ac.uk A couple of weeks ago I posted a question concerning communicating between VB and MSACCESS using DDE. The answers I received at that time allowed me to get a prototype of my project working. However, during this process I have come up with new problems. 1) There seems to be a limit of 255 characters for a DDE Topic string. Is this inherent in all DDE systems or just peculiar to MSACCESS or VB? 2) It is easy to query an Access database from VB using the DDE SQL command, (provided the above limitation is overcome by using short field and table names) but how is one meant to update a database? a) A DDE SQL UPDATE command does not seem to work. b) Initiating an Access macro using a DDE Execute command from VB cannot be used because when the macro requests information from VB using a second DDE channel the programs dead lock until time- outs occur. (The VB to Access channel has to close before the Access to VB channel is initiated, I guess.) c) Access does not allow VB to DDE POKE the information. The way I eventually managed to update a database was by sending key- strokes from VB to Access using the SendKeys command. This technique has the problem that Access cannot be minimised and it must always be in a state ready to respond to the sequence of key-strokes VB sends. Are all the above statements correct or have I made incorrect assumptions? Are there any better work arounds to the above? Are there any signs of an ODBC driver for Access? Bob ran@doc.ic.ac.uk ";-1;0 "From: baldwa@antietam.adobe.com (Sanjay Baldwa) Subject: X support for pressure sensitive tablet Reply-To: baldwa@adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems, Mountain View, CA, USA Distribution: comp Lines: 7 Are there any vendors supporting pressure sensitive tablet/pen with X? I will appreciate any pointers. Thanks, Sanjay -- baldwa@adobe.com or ..!decwrl!adobe!baldwa ";-1;0 "From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) Subject: Re: Motor Voter Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 12 >kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >> When I entered 1st grade, Eisenhower was President and John F. Kennedy >> was just a relatively obscure Senator from New England. So how old do >> you think I am now? And we all hope, Teddy, that you will graduate from the first grade while Clinton is President. Keep trying. -- Disclaimer: :remialcsiD ";-1;0 "From: schneier@chinet.chi.il.us (Bruce Schneier) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX Lines: 13 In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > >Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable >one: Make it voluntary. > >That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree >to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. > As long as ""you are on your own"" means that you can use your own encryption, I'm sold. Bruce ";-1;0 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >No, that's just what you thought the theory meant. While all humans >>are generally capable of overpowering their instincts, it does not >>follow that those who do this often are necessarily more intelligent. >Ok, so why aren't animals ""generally capable of overpowering their instincts""? Good question. I'm sure some biologist could answer better than I, but animals brains are just set up differently. Animals *can* be trained, but if they're instincts serve them well, there is no reason to contradict them. keith ";-1;0 "From: Doug_Oke@mindlink.bc.ca (Doug Oke) Subject: Memory Access Time (Was Re: SRAM and SIMMS 4 sale) Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 41 > ben elliston writes: > > Msg-ID: <734606726.AA00887@f262.n620.z3.fidonet.org> > Posted: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 10:41:0 > > Organization: Compact Solutions, Canberra ACT Australia > > > 64k of 25ns SRAM > > By my way of thinking, Michael, how could this memory be static RAM if it > has a speed rating? I didn't think SRAM needed a refresh time. > > Doesn't that make it fast DRAM? This chip would take 25ns to return valid data after being issued an address. Refresh time (none for SRAM, as you pointed out) is a different parameter, and is not generally referred to except by motherboard designers. > > Cheers, > Ben > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Ben Elliston > Bachelor of Engineering (Computer Engineering) > University of Canberra > > Email: tp923021@jarrah.canberra.edu.au > UUCP: ..!uunet!munnari!sserve.adfa.oz.au!compsol!root > FidoNet: 3:620/262 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > If a train station is where the train stops, what's a workstation?! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > * Origin: % Compact Solutions % Canberra ACT Australia % (3:620/262) -- Doug Oke - Vancouver, Canada Doug_Oke@mindlink.bc.ca ";-1;0 "From: gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Organization: GrinchCo Lines: 73 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.tamu.edu Summary: Feasibility considered News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr18.174237.11229@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... > :I'm not sure why you don't consider it an option. No one suggests that :such analysis should be left to ""regulators."" In fact, the ""re-inventing :government"" movement provides just such a cost/benefit approach to the :analysis of public spending. Libertarians would do well to learn more :about it. Okay, let me try to explain this. When one votes for such a creature as a Senator or, worse yet, a President, one votes not for specific policies but for a general package which must cover all issues for 4 or 6 years. As such, one's influence is highly diluted. I might add that, even if one were free to vote on individual regulations, the vast amount of time required for considering a particular regulation, combined with the very small chance of one's vote making a difference, would make it unreasonable to expect the voter to make an intelligent decision with respect to specific regulations. > > :Sorry, but it strikes me that it is the only ""feasible"" approach. What is :not feasible is a wholesale attack on all government regulation and :licensing that treats cutting hair and practicing medicine as equivalent :tasks. I'm not sure what you mean by ""feasible"" in this case. Do you mean that [] are impossible in priciple, or merely that it would be undesirable in fact? :Actually, the only areas of public spending above that strike me as :generating substantial support among libertarians are police and defense. 2 of the four you saw fit to mention, and education of minors is always another possibility, since minors are generally considered not to be responsible to make their own decisions as adults are. :(It is an interesting aside that as committed as libertarians claim to :be to a principle of non-coercion, the only areas of public spending :that they frequently support involve hiring people with guns....hmmm...) You say this as if it were surprising, yet in fact a necessary consequence of libertarian philosophy. All non-coersive functions should be dealt with privately, therefore it follows that the only functions remaining to the state are the coersive ones. > :Perhaps you have. May I suggest that you consider that revolutionaries :frequently generate support by acting as protectors of ""geezers,"" :mothers and children. Governments that ignore such people on the grounds :that ""we don't have much to fear"" from them do so at their own peril. Much more likely it's drunken teenagers. The groups in questionare more likely to be worse off during and after a revolution than before. In the unlikely event that you missed my earlier sarcasm, let me say this directly: The idea that such programs as Social Security or AFDC should be considered ""defense"" (an idea which has been advanced in ths and other newsgroups) is so absurd a lie as to be unworthy of consideration. Do you seriously dispute this? I don't want to seem patronizing, but you still seem to be laboring under the delusion that under a socialized economic system it is reasonably intelligent and honest persons (like yourself) who make the decisions. I feel any third party added to a transaction is every bit as likely to be ignorant or corrupt as the buyer or seller. I don't expect you to agree with me, but you explain why you feel I'm wrong? Mr. Grinch ";-1;0 "From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc Nntp-Posting-Host: birdie.i88.isc.com Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL Lines: 27 In article <1qjmf6$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: >In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes: >> >>Ultra sticky labels printed with your >>favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of >>wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage. > >An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the >thing over the driver's window, ""so they couldn't miss it."" A friend >damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by >the sticker. I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they >were assuming by pulling that stunt. She claimed it was the driver who >was at fault for illegally parking in the first place. That would >probably be good for a laugh or two in court, before they found her >liable for $Serious. > >Be careful about putting stickers on cages' windows. Yeah, make darn sure you cover all the glass, so the driver can't reasonably expect to be able to drive with the things on the car. -- Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 ""Gleep"" Naperville, IL __ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet, \/ followed by the words ""Daddy! Yay!"" ";-1;0 "From: shaw@feanor.xel.com (Greg Shaw) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: XEL Communications, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 39 GRUBB (bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu) wrote: : wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: : >What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? : Since the Quadra is the only Mac able to deal with 5MB/s and Hard drives START : at 160MB I have NO idea. : For the Mac I have the following {These are ALL external} : 20MB $299 {$15/MB} : 52MB $379 {$7.3/MB} : 80MB $449 {$5.63/MB} : 120MB $569-$639 {$4.75-$5.33/MB : 210MB $979-$1029{$4.67-$4.90/MB} : 320MB $1499-$1549 {$4.68-$4.84/MB} : 510MB $1999-$2119 ($3.92-$4.31/MB} : etc I thought you might want the latest prices: As of MacWeek 4/12/93: Meg: Int Ext 20M - couldn't find one available. 42M - $159 $219 85M - $199 $269 127 - $279 $349 170 - $299 $359 All above are quantum, low profile (1"") 3.5"" drives 240 - $369 $449 525 - $899 $979 1225- $1499 $1569 - the last three are quantum 1/2 height 3.5"" drives. [ bunch o stuff deleted ] : SCSI came FROM the high end computer world with multitasking OS were the : standard for the most part. Hear, hear. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ You can't go against nature, because when you do, Greg Shaw go against nature, it's part of nature too. shaw@feanor.xel.com Love & Rockets uunet!csn!xel.com!shaw ";-1;0 "From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts Organization: Why do you suspect that? Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr12.042749.2557@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.022233.17927@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: >>In article cs225a82@dcl-nxt19.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student) writes: >>> >>>I have a quick question. I recently got a bike and drive it often, but my >>>one problem is the wind messing with my contacts. I have gas permeable >>How about a full face helmet with the face sheild down. Works for me. > > Actually, this doesn't always work for me either. I have wind that > blows around inside my RF200 some, and it'll dry my eyes out / get dust > in them eventually unless I'm also wearing sunglasses inside my > helmet. I too, usually wear sunglasses inside my full face helmet to keep dirt & wind out of my contacts. Mumble, mumble, mumble ... Charlie Smith, DoD #0709, doh #0000000004, 1KSPT=22.85 ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG) Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 50 In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: Hate to wreck your elaborate theory, but Steve Dyer is not an MD. So professional jealosy over doctors who help their patients with Nystatin, etc., can't very well come into the picture. Steve doesn't have any patients. >response to specificially Candida albicans, and I showed a strong positive. >Another question, would everybody show the same strong positive so this test >is essentially useless? And, assuming it is true that Candida can grow Yes, everyone who is normal does that. We use candida on the other arm when we put a tuberculin test on. If people don't react to candida, we assume the TB test was not conclusive since such people may not react to anything. All normal people have antibodies to candida. If not, you would quickly turn into a fungus ball. >This brings up an interesting observation used by those who will deny >and reject any and all aspects of the 'yeast hypothesis' until the >appropriate studies are done. And that is if you can't observe or culture >the yeast ""bloom"" in the gut or sinus, then there's no way to diagnose or >even recognize the disease. And I know they realize that it is virtually >impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot >be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body. > >It's a real Catch-22. > You've just discovered one of the requirements for a good quack theory. Find something that no one can *disprove* and then write a book saying it is the cause of whatever. Since no one can disprove it, you can rake in the bucks for quite some time. >>...I have often wondered what an M.D. with chronic >>GI distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his >>patients is a non-existent syndrome. > That is odd, isn't it? Why do you suppose it is that MDs with these common problems don't go for these crazy ideas? Does the ""professional jealosy"" extend to suffering in silence, even though they know they could be cured if they just followed this quack book? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: herrod@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Herrod) Subject: MEWIN Latex Help Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 9 I posted this to the apps group and didn't get any response, so I'll try here. I am trying to use the latex help feature available in emacs for windows and read that you need a separate latexhlp.zip file along with a vms2hlp.zip file to convert this to windows help. Has anyone found these files or gotten this command help to work? Thanks, Steve Herrod ";6;1 "From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) Subject: CNN for sale Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 18 Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Bill Vojak: BV>I read in the paper yestarday that Ted Turner wants to ""trim"" down BV>his media holdings and is putting CNN up for sale. The #1 potential BV>bidder? TIME/Warner of course. Sigh . . . . . Just what we need. :-( Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two.... --- . OLX 2.2 . There is no way they can get over here! A. Maginot ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: bell@mars.dev.promis.com (Mike Bell) Subject: Clipper proposal - key length? Organization: Promis Systems Corp. Lines: 32 Danny Weitzner writes: >April 16, 1993 >INITIAL EFF ANALYSIS OF CLINTON PRIVACY AND SECURITY PROPOSAL >DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL: >ESCROW >The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom >hold 40-bits of each key. The manufacturer of the communications device >would be required to register all keys with the two independent escrow >agents. A key is tied to the device, however, not the person using it. So if we subvert one of the two escrow agents, we only have a 40-bit space to search through... 2^40 doesn't sound that big - is digital telephony subject to a known plaintext attack? In which case half the key seems to be all that is needed, and the two agent escrow arrangement is pointless. Of course, the unknown algorithm might turn gaps in speech into pseudo-random sequences, or there might be some magic involved, or... -- -- Mike -- ";-1;0 "From: spring@diku.dk (Jesper Honig Spring) Subject: COMPAQ and standard SIMM RAM (HELP) Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Lines: 19 Hello, Can anyone out there tell me if it is possible to put ordinary standard SIMM RAM chips (70 ns) in a COMPAQ PROLINEA 4/50 or do COMPAQ require special COMPAQ RAM chips. Please (also) email me. Thanks in advance. Jesper -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jesper honig spring, spring@diku.dk | IF ANIMALS BELIEVED IN GOD university of copenhagen, denmark | THE DEVIL WOULD BE A MAN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";5;1 "From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians Nntp-Posting-Host: eddie.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 73 In article rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes: >julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: >|> In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >|> > [With a tip of the hat to David Letterman for making the Top Ten format >|> > so popular] >|> > >|> >Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia: >|> >|> Who? Where? >|> Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other >|> conservatives do as well. >|> >Yes, it was Nixon who was most vocal about giving money to Russia. It >makes me proud to be a libertarian. It appears both conservatives and >liberals prefer to cold war until you win, then nurse the enemy back to >health for another go around. Enemy? Sounds like that's the viewpoint of the stereotypical rednecked conservative -- 'always been commies, always will be.' I suggest you listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his opponents in the Russian congress. I sure know who I want to back. Oh, BTW, Germany has sure come back as a terrible enemy after WWII, hasn't it? > >It's like subsidizing the wealthy countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) with >free defense, and then trade-warring with them because of the economic >competition. It's like subsidizing tobacco farmers while paying >bureaucrats to pursuade people not to smoke. Better to let them degenerate into civil war? Remember all those nuclear weapons in Russia. I cannot imagine that they would not be used in a civil war. If nationialists take over and, even if they prevent a civil war, most feel they must take back large parts of land that are in other countries (like Ukraine.) I also cannot imagine Ukraine giving up land without a fight, possibly nuclear. How does this affect us? Well, we are on the same planet and if vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we'd feel something. A massive breakup of a country that spans 1/6th the planet is bound to have affects here. (Of course, there is also the humanitarian argument that democracies should help other democracies (or struggling democracies).) > >I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing >stupid, frivilous things with OUR money? Then I think, the Constitution >was supposed to do that. Could someone please tell me what legitimate >constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money >from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries? Seriously. Seriously. Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid. My two ""causes"" are aid to Russia and a strong space program. Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies of drunken goldfish. That is why we have a republic and not a true democracy. Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we only have gridlock on a congressional scale. BTW, who is to decide 'stupid?' This is just like those who want to impose their 'morals' on others -- just the sort of thing I thought Libertarians were against. Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party. It seems that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and let it sink or swim. We could do that 100 years ago but not now. Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and global decision making. Julie DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else ";-1;0 "From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: BaseballIsDead Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 10 scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes: >Forget it. Word has it three divisions with a wild card is just about >a done deal. It has to be decided soon since negotiations with the >networks also have to begin soon. Preliminary negotiations started already, I believe. Though the word is that they are going slooooooooooooooooooooooowly. Greg ";14;1 "From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventional peace) Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 15 In article <1qvi7s$b1o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes: > > First this man promotes the dissolution of the Jews through an >intermarriage process, and then says that it will be just a bunch >of 'fundamentalist' Jews who will object. > >Or does he simply mean to insult the orthodox by using the word >'fundamentalist?' > It's irritating when someone mis-labels ""us"" as ""fundamentalists"", isn't it? This sort of thing may help us understand why some muslims rather resent being put under this label. Tim ";-1;0 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >>Then why do people keep asking the same questions over and over? >Because you rarely ever answer them. Nope, I've answered each question posed, and most were answered multiple times. keith ";-1;0 "From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Gun Control: proud to be a Canuck Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 29 In article <1pqsruINNiae@hp-col.col.hp.com> dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) writes: >Does anyone really believe the Swiss have had no war within their borders >because every adult male owns a rifle? I'm a great admirer of the Swiss, but >500 years of peace on their turf has zilch to do with gun ownership. Can you >picture Hitler, with Panzers and Focke-Wulfs poised on the border, losing >sleep over a few thousand expert rifleman? Sure. The Swiss population is (and well was) far larger than that. I think your question should be, ""...losing sleep over a million expert riflemen?"" Certainly he could have conquered Switzerland, but a million armed militiamen (especially in a mountainous area, where tanks' effectiveness is limited) would have made it a real pain. The question a conqueror would ask, is ""is it worth the trouble?"" The more difficult an invasion is, the more likely the answer would be ""no."" Certainly a million riflemen (as opposed to a professional army of only ten or twenty thousand, the best a country the size of Switzerland could support), makes invasions more difficult. >Hitler stayed out of Switzerland because the Swiss run the money in this >world. Really? In 1939? I'm not even sure you could prove that today (despite the steriotype.) Certainly the Swiss bankers were not essential to the German war-time economy. Frank Crary CU Boulder ";3;1 "From: moy@acf2.nyu.edu (moy) Subject: Apology Organization: New York University Lines: 3 I responded to a post last week and it carried somewhat of a hostile tone for which I am apologizing for. It is not my intent to create contriversy or to piss people off. To those who I offend, I'm sorry ";-1;0 "From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) Subject: Re: Key definitions in Emacs + X Organization: U of Cambridge, England Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: apus.cus.cam.ac.uk In article <1993Apr16.183525.25197@midway.uchicago.edu> ajaffe@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Andrew Jaffe) writes: >I use Emacs and I want to customize my keyboard better. >When I set up stuff in my .emacs with a keymap and define-keys, >I can only access certain of the keys on my X-Terminal's >keyboard. I can't get e.g. F10, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn; they all >seem to have either the same or no keycode. I have a feeling >this can't be fixed in emacs itself, but that I need to do some >xmodmap stuff. Can someone help me? It is actually worse than you think. I have the same problem, and have given up. Emacs has an internal table (somewhere!) which defines what keys it will accept, and this table is system-dependent. I use a Sun from my HP, and cannot get 'shift PageUp' to work - xmodmap is not sufficient, or at least I haven't worked out how to make it work. However, I CAN get ordinary 'PageUp' and 'shift CursorRight' to work, and I do some customised things with them. Note that the Emacs on my HP has no problem, and I am using exactly the same xmodmap and Emacs configuration. Nick Maclaren University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory, New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG, England. Email: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk Tel.: +44 223 334761 Fax: +44 223 334679 ";-1;0 "From: jose@csd.uwo.ca (Jose Thekkumthala) Subject: recurrent volvulus Organization: Department of Computer Science, UWO, Canada Keywords: volvulus Nntp-Posting-Host: berfert.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 35 Recurrent Volvulus ------------------- This is regarding recurrent volvulus which our little boy has been suffering from ever since he was an infant. He had a surgery when he was one year old. Another surgery had to be performed one year after, when he was two years old. He turned three this February and he is still getting afflicted by this illness, like having to get hospitalised for vomitting and accompanying stomach pain.He managed not having a third surgery so far. * One thing me and my wife noticed is that his affliction peaks around the time he was born, on nearabouts, like in March every year. Any significance to this? * Why does this recur? Me and my family go through severe pain when our little boy have to undergo surgery. Why does surgery not rectify the situation? * Also, which hospital in US or Canada specialize in this malady? * What will be a good book explaining this disease in detail? * Will keeping a particular diet keep down the probability of recurrence? * As time goes on, will the probability of recurrence go down considering he is getting stronger and healthier and probably less prone to attacks? Or is this assumption wrong? * Any help throwing light on these queries will be highly appreciated. Thanks very much! jose@csd.uwo.ca ";-1;0 "From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion Lines: 147 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article <1993Apr18.212610.5933@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: |>In article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA000 writes: |> |>>1) Is Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary? |> |> Israel has repeatedly stated that it will leave Lebanon when |>the Lebanese government can provide guarantees that Israel will not be |>attacked from Lebanese soil, and when the Syrians leave. Not acceptable. Syria and Lebanon have a right to determine if they wish to return to the situation prior to the French invasion where they were both part of the same ""mandate territory"" - read colony. Israel has no right to determine what happens in Lebanon. Invading another country because you consider them a threat is precisely the way that almost all wars of aggression have started. |>>2) Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan |>>temporary? |> |> The three are very different issues. Israel has stated |>repeatedly that it will not give up the whole Golan, but may be |>willing to give part of it to Syria as part of a peace agreement. Again territorial expansion by force. |> Israel has already annexed areas taken over in the 1967 war. |>These areas are not occupied, but disputed, since there is no |>legitamate governing body. Citizenship was given to those residents |>in annexed areas who wanted citizenship. The UN defines them as occupied. They are recognised as such by every nation on earth (excluding one small caribean island). |> Israel should keep control of parts of the West Bank, IMHO. |>The parts that should be kept are the westernmost mountain ridge, |>which contain few arab towns, and many suburbs, as well as overlooking |>the city of Tel Aviv. The Eastern mountain ridge should be |>abandonded. This is where most of the arabs live and it is less |>militarily relevant. Israel should also maintain a presence in the |>Jordan valley. So the Adam thinks that peace is possible with continued occupation and a continued military presence? That is a completely unsustainable situation because the USA is bankrupt and simply cannot afford to finance the Israeli ecconomy any more. There is no money for such an occupation. |>>If so (for those of you who support it), why were so |>>many settlers moved into the territories? If it is not temporary, |>>let's hear it. |> |> There are a number of reasons for people to move (they were |>not moved, but chose to move) into disputed areas. Note that since |>these moves were made by free willed human beings, not ""settlers,"" I |>will address two aspects of your question, why the government would |>allow &/or encourage them to move, and second why they did move. They were moved in as part of a deliberate policy to prevent the return of the occupied territories. Machiavelli described the reasoning in the Prince. The clear intention was to create a constituency which the Likud beleived could not be deprived of the land stolen from the indigenous population. The pretexts under which the settlers aquired land was through the redefinition of much land used in common as ""public land"". The assertion that the village common on which the village depends for food belongs to an invader simply because no individual has title is clearly an excuse. When the land is used to build a condominium for aliens brought in to occupy the land for a foreign power there is a clear breach of the Geneva convention which stipulates that land use in occupied territories must not be changed. No amount of self justifying on the part of Likud and hard linner appologists will change the fact that the majority of world governments, and all of those that actually have any power have condemned this practice. |> The government had a number of reasons for encouraging people |>to move across the green line. They included security and politics. |> |> The first reason was security. A large Jewish presense makes |>it difficult for terrorists to infiltrate. A Jewish settlements also |>act as fortresses in times of war. Theyu also are a liability. We are talking about civilian encampments that would last no more than hours against tanks, |> A second reason was political. Creating ""settlements"" brought |>the arabs to the negotiation table. Had the creation of new towns and |>cities gone on another several years, there would be no place left in |>Israel where there was an arab majority. There would have been no |>land left that could be called arab. Don't fool yourself. It was the gulf war that brought the Israelis to the negotiating table. Once their US backers had a secure base in the gulf they insrtructed Shamir to negotiate or else. If the creation of settlements had gone on any longer the USA would have cut the money supply. |> The fact that there are a hundered thousands Jews in place |>changes the face of any peace settlement, and restricts what land can |>be given away. Not at all. They can chose to live in an arab state or return to Israel. |> Some of the communites created were religious. They built |>their neighborhoods in areas where there were jews until the riots of |>the 30's and 40's. There are communities like this in Hebron, Gaza, |>and all over. There are also communities built near religious sites. The existence of a comunity does not give the right for another country to annexe territory, not in Bosnia, not in the West Bank. |> The point is, there are many reasons people moved over the |>green line, and many reasons the government wanted them to. Whatever |>status is negotiated for disputed territories, it will not be an ""all |>or nothing"" deal. New boundaries will be drawn up by negotiation, not |>be the results of a war. Unless the new boundaries drawn up are those of 48 there will be no peace. Araffat has precious little authority to agree to anything else. The real issue is not the land treaty but the trade treaty. Since the Palestinians will remain heavily dependent on Israel indefinitely it is this that will be the guarantor of peace. another factor will be the return of lands confiscated by the Israeli state within Israel and the dismantling of the shadow structures which allow discrimination against non-Jews within what is nominaly a secular state. The irony is that in return for a guarantee that the palestinian state has a non descrimination law in order to protect the remaining settlers the Israeli state is going to be forced inot the same position. This will mean outlawing of discrimination such as that which prevents arabs from buying or using much of the land. Phill Hallam-Baker ";-1;0 "From: khiet@crystallizer.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Thanh Khiet Vu) Subject: WANTED: FUTON Keywords: WANTED: FUTON Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 5 I am looking for a large futon and frame. call Peter 495-2056 or e-mail me ""khiet@cn.ecn"" ";-1;0 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: ? (was Re: ""Cruel"" (was Re: >Of course, if at some later time we think that the death penalty >>*is* cruel or unusual, it will be outlawed. But at the present, >>most people don't seem to think this way. >*This* from the same fellow who speaks of an ""objective"" or ""natural"" >morality. I suppose that if the majority decides slavery is OK, then >it is no longer immoral? I did not claim that our system was objective. keith ";-1;0 "From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Article-I.D.: clarinet.1993Apr17.090731.18680 Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Lines: 21 Interestingly enough, in designing the escrow, we may want to use some rather unusual technology, such as sealed boxes of paper, or destructive read memory, rather than typical computer databases, which is fun for a database of hundreds of millions of keys. The greatest danger of the escrow database, if it were kept on disk, would be the chance that a complete copy could somehow leak out. You can design lots of protection, but with enough corruption a complete copy is always possible. Storing it on paper or something very hard to copy at once may actually make sense. Or a medium that can't be copied -- for example, something with very slow access times or which leaves a destructive trail if it is even read. Of course then it's hard to backup. However, I think the consequences of no backup -- the data is not there when a warrant comes -- are worse than the consequences of a secret backup. An audit trail that reveals when data has been access, that *can't* be erased by the humans involved, is also necessary. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 ";-1;0 "From: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Subject: HICN610 Medical Newsletter Part 1/4 Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Distribution: world Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY Lines: 708 ------------- cut here ----------------- Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 +------------------------------------------------+ ! ! ! Health Info-Com Network ! ! Medical Newsletter ! +------------------------------------------------+ Editor: David Dodell, D.M.D. 10250 North 92nd Street, Suite 210, Scottsdale, Arizona 85258-4599 USA Telephone +1 (602) 860-1121 FAX +1 (602) 451-1165 Compilation Copyright 1993 by David Dodell, D.M.D. All rights Reserved. License is hereby granted to republish on electronic media for which no fees are charged, so long as the text of this copyright notice and license are attached intact to any and all republished portion or portions. The Health Info-Com Network Newsletter is distributed biweekly. Articles on a medical nature are welcomed. If you have an article, please contact the editor for information on how to submit it. If you are interested in joining the automated distribution system, please contact the editor. E-Mail Address: Editor: Internet: david@stat.com FidoNet = 1:114/15 Bitnet = ATW1H@ASUACAD LISTSERV = MEDNEWS@ASUACAD.BITNET (or internet: mednews@asuvm.inre.asu.edu) anonymous ftp = vm1.nodak.edu Notification List = hicn-notify-request@stat.com FAX Delivery = Contact Editor for information :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: T A B L E O F C O N T E N T S 1. Comments & News from the Editor OCR / Scanner News ................................................... 1 2. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR [16 April 1993] Emerging Infectious Diseases ......................... 3 Outbreak of E. coli Infections from Hamburgers ....................... 5 Use of Smokeless Tobacoo Among Adults ................................ 10 Gonorrhea ............................................................ 14 Impact of Adult Safety-Belt Use on Children less than 11 years Age ... 17 Publication of CDC Surveillance Summaries ............................ 21 3. Clinical Research News High Tech Assisted Reproductive Technologies ......................... 24 4. Articles Low Levels Airborne Particles Linked to Serious Asthma Attacks ....... 29 NIH Consensus Development Conference on Melanoma ..................... 31 National Cancer Insitute Designated Cancer Centers ................... 32 5. General Announcments UCI Medical Education Software Repository ............................ 40 6. AIDS News Summaries AIDS Daily Summary April 12 to April 15, 1993 ........................ 41 7. AIDS/HIV Articles First HIV Vaccine Trial Begins in HIV-Infected Children .............. 47 New Evidence that the HIV Can Cause Disease Independently ............ 50 Clinical Consultation Telephone Service for AIDS ..................... 52 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page i Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Comments & News from the Editor :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I would like to continue to thank everyone who has sent in a donation for the Mednews OCR/Scanner Fund. We have reached our goal! A Hewlett Packard Scanjet IIp was purchased this week. Thank you to the following individuals whose contributions I just received: John Sorenson Carol Sigelman Carla Moore Barbara Moose Judith Schrier Again, thank you to all who gave! I have been using Wordscan Plus for the past couple of weeks and would like to review the product. Wordscan Plus is a product of Calera Recognition Systems. It runs under Windows 3.1 and supports that Accufont Technology of the Hewlett Packard Scanners. When initially bringing up the software, it lets you select several options; (1) text / graphics (2) input source ie scanner, fax file, disk file (3) automatic versus manual decomposition of the scanned image. I like manual decomposition since the software then lets me select which parts of the document I would like scanned, and in what order. Once an image is scanned, you can bring up the Pop-Up image verification. The software gives you two ""errors"" at this point. Blue which are words that were converted reliability, but do not match anything in the built-in dictionary. Yellow shade, which are words that Wordscan Plus doesn't think it converted correctly at all. I have found that the software should give itself more credit. It is usually correct, instead of wrong. If a word is shaded blue, you can add it to your personal dictionary. The only problem is the personal dictionary will only handle about 200 words. I find this to be very limited, considering how many medical terms are not in a normal dictionary. After a document is converted, you can save it in a multitude of word processor formats. Also any images that were captured can be stored in a seperate TIFF or PCX file format. I was extremely impressed on the percent accuracy for fax files. I use HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 1 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 an Intel Satisfaxtion card, which stores incoming faxs in a PCX/DCX format. While most of my faxes were received in ""standard"" mode (200x100 dpi), the accuracy of Wordscan Plus was excellent. Overall, a very impressive product. The only fault I could find is the limitations of the size of the user dictionary. 200 specialized words is just too small. If anyone has any specific questions, please do not hesitate to send me email. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 2 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Emerging Infectious Diseases ============================ SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 Introduction Despite predictions earlier this century that infectious diseases would soon be eliminated as a public health problem (1), infectious diseases remain the major cause of death worldwide and a leading cause of illness and death in the United States. Since the early 1970s, the U.S. public health system has been challenged by a myriad of newly identified pathogens and syndromes (e.g., Escherichia coli O157:H7, hepatitis C virus, human immunodeficiency virus, Legionnaires disease, Lyme disease, and toxic shock syndrome). The incidences of many diseases widely presumed to be under control, such as cholera, malaria, and tuberculosis (TB), have increased in many areas. Furthermore, control and prevention of infectious diseases are undermined by drug resistance in conditions such as gonorrhea, malaria, pneumococcal disease, salmonellosis, shigellosis, TB, and staphylococcal infections (2). Emerging infections place a disproportionate burden on immunocompromised persons, those in institutional settings (e.g., hospitals and child day care centers), and minority and underserved populations. The substantial economic burden of emerging infections on the U.S. health-care system could be reduced by more effective surveillance systems and targeted control and prevention programs (3). This issue of MMWR introduces a new series, ""Emerging Infectious Diseases."" Future articles will address these diseases, as well as surveillance, control, and prevention efforts by health-care providers and public health officials. This first article updates the ongoing investigation of an outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 in the western United States (4). References 1. Burnet M. Natural history of infectious disease. Cambridge, England: Cambridge University Press, 1963. 2. Kunin CM. Resistance to antimicrobial drugs -- a worldwide calamity. Ann Intern Med 1993;118:557-61. 3. Lederberg J, Shope RE, Oaks SC Jr, eds. Emerging infections: microbial threats to health in the United States. Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1992. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 3 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 4. CDC. Preliminary report: foodborne outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7 infections from hamburgers --western United States, 1993. MMWR 1993;42:85-6. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 4 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Update: Multistate Outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7 Infections from Hamburgers -- Western United States, 1992-1993 ======================================================= SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 From November 15, 1992, through February 28, 1993, more than 500 laboratory-confirmed infections with E. coli O157:H7 and four associated deaths occurred in four states -- Washington, Idaho, California, and Nevada. This report summarizes the findings from an ongoing investigation (1) that identified a multistate outbreak resulting from consumption of hamburgers from one restaurant chain. Washington On January 13, 1993, a physician reported to the Washington Department of Health a cluster of children with hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS) and an increase in emergency room visits for bloody diarrhea. During January 16-17, a case-control study comparing 16 of the first cases of bloody diarrhea or postdiarrheal HUS identified with age- and neighborhood-matched controls implicated eating at chain A restaurants during the week before symptom onset (matched odds ratio OR=undefined; lower confidence limit=3.5). On January 18, a multistate recall of unused hamburger patties from chain A restaurants was initiated. As a result of publicity and case-finding efforts, during January- February 1993, 602 patients with bloody diarrhea or HUS were reported to the state health department. A total of 477 persons had illnesses meeting the case definition of culture-confirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection or postdiarrheal HUS (Figure 1). Of the 477 persons, 52 (11%) had close contact with a person with confirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection during the week preceding onset of symptoms. Of the remaining 425 persons, 372 (88%) reported eating in a chain A restaurant during the 9 days preceding onset of symptoms. Of the 338 patients who recalled what they ate in a chain A restaurant, 312 (92%) reported eating a regular-sized hamburger patty. Onsets of illness peaked from January 17 through January 20. Of the 477 casepatients, 144 (30%) were hospitalized; 30 developed HUS, and three died. The median age of patients was 7.5 years (range: 0-74 years). Idaho Following the outbreak report from Washington, the Division of Health, Idaho Department of Health and Welfare, identified 14 persons with culture- confirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection, with illness onset dates from December 11, 1992, through February 16, 1993 (Figure 2A). Four persons were hospitalized; one developed HUS. During the week preceding illness onset, 13 (93%) had eaten at a chain A restaurant. California In late December, the San Diego County Department of Health Services was notified of a child with E. coli O157:H7 infection who subsequently died. Active surveillance and record review then identified eight other persons with E. coli O157:H7 infections or HUS from mid-November through mid-January 1993. Four of the nine reportedly had recently eaten at a chain A restaurant and HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 5 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 four at a chain B restaurant in San Diego. After the Washington outbreak was reported, reviews of medical records at five hospitals revealed an overall 27% increase in visits or admissions for diarrhea during December 1992 and January 1993 compared with the same period 1 year earlier. A case was defined as postdiarrheal HUS, bloody diarrhea that was culture negative or not cultured, or any diarrheal illness in which stool culture yielded E. coli O157:H7, with onset from November 15, 1992, through January 31, 1993. Illnesses of 34 patients met the case definition (Figure 2B). The outbreak strain was identified in stool specimens of six patients. Fourteen persons were hospitalized, seven developed HUS, and one child died. The median age of case-patients was 10 years (range: 1-58 years). A case-control study of the first 25 case-patients identified and age- and sex-matched community controls implicated eating at a chain A restaurant in San Diego (matched OR=13; 95% confidence interval CI=1.7-99). A study comparing case-patients who ate at chain A restaurants with well meal companions implicated regular- sized hamburger patties (matched OR=undefined; lower confidence limit=1.3). Chain B was not statistically associated with illness. Nevada On January 22, after receiving a report of a child with HUS who had eaten at a local chain A restaurant, the Clark County (Las Vegas) Health District issued a press release requesting that persons with recent bloody diarrhea contact the health department. A case was defined as postdiarrheal HUS, bloody diarrhea that was culture negative or not cultured, or any diarrheal illness with a stool culture yielding the Washington strain of E. coli O157:H7, with onset from December 1, 1992, through February 7, 1993. Because local laboratories were not using sorbitol MacConkey (SMAC) medium to screen stools for E. coli O157:H7, this organism was not identified in any patient. After SMAC medium was distributed, the outbreak strain was detected in the stool of one patient 38 days after illness onset. Of 58 persons whose illnesses met the case definition (Figure 2C), nine were hospitalized; three developed HUS. The median age was 30.5 years (range: 0-83 years). Analysis of the first 21 patients identified and age- and sex- matched community controls implicated eating at a chain A restaurant during the week preceding illness onset (matched OR=undefined; lower confidence limit=4.9). A case-control study using well meal companions of case-patients also implicated eating hamburgers at chain A (matched OR=6.0; 95% CI=0.7- 49.8). Other Investigation Findings During the outbreak, chain A restaurants in Washington linked with cases primarily were serving regular-sized hamburger patties produced on November 19, 1992; some of the same meat was used in ""jumbo"" patties produced on November 20, 1992. The outbreak strain of E. coli O157:H7 was isolated from 11 lots of patties produced on those two dates; these lots had been distributed to restaurants in all states where illness occurred. Approximately 272,672 (20%) of the implicated patties were recovered by the recall. A meat traceback by a CDC team identified five slaughter plants in the United States and one in Canada as the likely sources of carcasses used in the HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 6 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 contaminated lots of meat and identified potential control points for reducing the likelihood of contamination. The animals slaughtered in domestic slaughter plants were traced to farms and auctions in six western states. No one slaughter plant or farm was identified as the source. Further investigation of cases related to secondary transmission in families and child day care settings is ongoing. Reported by: M Davis, DVM, C Osaki, MSPH, Seattle-King County Dept of Public Health; D Gordon, MS, MW Hinds, MD, Snohomish Health District, Everett; K Mottram, C Winegar, MPH, Tacoma-Pierce County Health Dept; ED Avner, MD, PI Tarr, MD, Dept of Pediatrics, D Jardine, MD, Depts of Anesthesiology and Pediatrics, Univ of Washington School of Medicine and Children's Hospital and Medical Center, Seattle; M Goldoft, MD, B Bartleson, MPH; J Lewis, JM Kobayashi, MD, State Epidemiologist, Washington Dept of Health. G Billman, MD, J Bradley, MD, Children's Hospital, San Diego; S Hunt, P Tanner, RES, M Ginsberg, MD, San Diego County Dept of Health Svcs; L Barrett, DVM, SB Werner, MD, GW Rutherford, III, MD, State Epidemiologist, California Dept of Health Svcs. RW Jue, Central District Health Dept, Boise; H Root, Southwest District Health Dept, Caldwell; D Brothers, MA, RL Chehey, MS, RH Hudson, PhD, Div of Health, Idaho State Public Health Laboratory, FR Dixon, MD, State Epidemiologist, Div of Health, Idaho Dept of Health and Welfare. DJ Maxson, Environmental Epidemiology Program, L Empey, PA, O Ravenholt, MD, VH Ueckart, DVM, Clark County Health District, Las Vegas; A DiSalvo, MD, Nevada State Public Health Laboratory; DS Kwalick, MD, R Salcido, MPH, D Brus, DVM, State Epidemiologist, Div of Health, Nevada State Dept of Human Resources. Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Food and Drug Administration. Food Safety Inspection Svc, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Svc, US Dept of Agriculture. Div of Field Epidemiology, Epidemiology Program Office; Enteric Diseases Br, Div of Bacterial and Mycotic Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases, CDC. Editorial Note: E. coli O157:H7 is a pathogenic gram-negative bacterium first identified as a cause of illness in 1982 during an outbreak of severe bloody diarrhea traced to contaminated hamburgers (2). This pathogen has since emerged as an important cause of both bloody diarrhea and HUS, the most common cause of acute renal failure in children. Outbreak investigations have linked most cases with the consumption of undercooked ground beef, although other food vehicles, including roast beef, raw milk, and apple cider, also have been implicated (3). Preliminary data from a CDC 2-year, nationwide, multicenter study revealed that when stools were routinely cultured for E. coli O157:H7 that organism was isolated more frequently than Shigella in four of 10 participating hospitals and was isolated from 7.8% of all bloody stools, a higher rate than for any other pathogen. Infection with E. coli O157:H7 often is not recognized because most clinical laboratories do not routinely culture stools for this organism on HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 7 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 SMAC medium, and many clinicians are unaware of the spectrum of illnesses associated with infection (4). The usual clinical manifestations are diarrhea (often bloody) and abdominal cramps; fever is infrequent. Younger age groups and the elderly are at highest risk for clinical manifestations and complications. Illness usually resolves after 6-8 days, but 2%-7% of patients develop HUS, which is characterized by hemolytic anemia, thrombocytopenia, renal failure, and a death rate of 3%-5%. This report illustrates the difficulties in recognizing community outbreaks of E. coli O157:H7 in the absence of routine surveillance. Despite the magnitude of this outbreak, the problem may not have been recognized in three states if the epidemiologic link had not been established in Washington (1). Clinical laboratories should routinely culture stool specimens from persons with bloody diarrhea or HUS for E. coli O157:H7 using SMAC agar (5). When infections with E. coli O157:H7 are identified, they should be reported to local health departments for further evaluation and, if necessary, public health action to prevent further cases. E. coli O157:H7 lives in the intestines of healthy cattle, and can contaminate meat during slaughter. CDC is collaborating with the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Food Safety Inspection Service to identify critical control points in processing as a component of a program to reduce the likelihood of pathogens such as E. coli O157:H7 entering the meat supply. Because slaughtering practices can result in contamination of raw meat with pathogens, and because the process of grinding beef may transfer pathogens from the surface of the meat to the interior, ground beef is likely to be internally contaminated. The optimal food protection practice is to cook ground beef thoroughly until the interior is no longer pink, and the juices are clear. In this outbreak, undercooking of hamburger patties likely played an important role. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued interim recommendations to increase the internal temperature for cooked hamburgers to 155 F (86.1 C) (FDA, personal communication, 1993). Regulatory actions stimulated by the outbreak described in this report and the recovery of thousands of contaminated patties before they could be consumed emphasize the value of rapid public health investigations of outbreaks. The public health impact and increasing frequency of isolation of this pathogen underscore the need for improved surveillance for infections caused by E. coli O157:H7 and for HUS to better define the epidemiology of E. coli O157:H7. References 1. CDC. Preliminary report: foodborne outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7 infections from hamburgers --western United States, 1993. MMWR 1993;42:85-6. 2. Riley LW, Remis RS, Helgerson SD, et al. Hemorrhagic colitis associated with a rare Escherichia coli serotype. N Engl J Med 1983;308:681-5. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 8 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 3. Griffin PM, Tauxe RV. The epidemiology of infections caused by Escherichia coli O157:H7, other enterohemorrhagic E. coli, and the associated hemolytic uremic syndrome. Epidemiol Rev 1991;13:60-98. 4. Griffin PM, Ostroff SM, Tauxe RV, et al. Illnesses associated with Escherichia coli O157:H7 infections: a broad clinical spectrum. Ann Intern Med 1988;109:705-12. 5. March SB, Ratnam S. Latex agglutination test HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 9 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Use of Smokeless Tobacco Among Adults -- United States, 1991 ======================================================= SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 Consumption of moist snuff and other smokeless tobacco products in the United States almost tripled from 1972 through 1991 (1). Long-term use of smokeless tobacco is associated with nicotine addiction and increased risk of oral cancer (2) -- the incidence of which could increase if young persons who currently use smokeless tobacco continue to use these products frequently (1). To monitor trends in the prevalence of use of smokeless tobacco products, CDC's 1991 National Health Interview Survey-Health Promotion and Disease Prevention supplement (NHIS-HPDP) collected information on snuff and chewing tobacco use and smoking from a representative sample of the U.S. civilian, noninstitutionalized population aged greater than or equal to 18 years. This report summarizes findings from this survey. The 1991 NHIS-HPDP supplement asked ""Have you used snuff at least 20 times in your entire life?"" and ""Do you use snuff now?"" Similar questions were asked about chewing tobacco use and cigarette smoking. Current users of smokeless tobacco were defined as those who reported snuff or chewing tobacco use at least 20 times and who reported using snuff or chewing tobacco at the time of the interview; former users were defined as those who reported having used snuff or chewing tobacco at least 20 times and not using either at the time of the interview. Ever users of smokeless tobacco included current and former users. Current smokers were defined as those who reported smoking at least 100 cigarettes and who were currently smoking and former smokers as those who reported having smoked at least 100 cigarettes and who were not smoking now. Ever smokers included current and former smokers. Data on smokeless tobacco use were available for 43,732 persons aged greater than or equal to 18 years and were adjusted for nonresponse and weighted to provide national estimates. Confidence intervals (CIs) were calculated by using standard errors generated by the Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) (3). In 1991, an estimated 5.3 million (2.9%) U.S. adults were current users of smokeless tobacco, including 4.8 million (5.6%) men and 533,000 (0.6%) women. For all categories of comparison, the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use was substantially higher among men. For men, the prevalence of use was highest among those aged 18-24 years (Table 1); for women, the prevalence was highest among those aged greater than or equal to 75 years. The prevalence of smokeless tobacco use among men was highest among American Indians/Alaskan Natives and whites; the prevalence among women was highest among American Indians/Alaskan Natives and blacks. Among both men and women, prevalence of smokeless tobacco use declined with increasing education. Prevalence was substantially higher among residents of the southern United States and in rural areas. Although the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use was higher among HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 10 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 men and women below the poverty level, * this difference was significant only for women (p less than 0.05) (Table 1). Among men, the prevalence of current use of snuff was highest among those aged 18-44 years but varied considerably by age; the prevalence of use of chewing tobacco was more evenly distributed by age group (Table 2). Although women rarely used smokeless tobacco, the prevalence of snuff use was highest among those aged greater than or equal to 75 years. An estimated 7.9 million (4.4% 95% CI=4.1-4.6) adults reported being former smokeless tobacco users. Among ever users, the proportion who were former smokeless tobacco users was 59.9% (95% CI=57.7-62.1). Among persons aged 18-24 years, the proportion of former users was lower among snuff users (56.2% 95% CI=49.4-63.0) than among chewing tobacco users (70.4% 95% CI=64.2-76.6). Among persons aged 45-64 years, the proportion of former users was similar for snuff (68.9% 95% CI=63.1-74.7) and chewing tobacco (73.5% 95% CI=68.9-78.1). Among current users of smokeless tobacco, 22.9% (95% CI=19.9-26.0) currently smoked, 33.3% (95% CI=30.0-36.5) formerly smoked, and 43.8% (95% CI=39.9-47.7) never smoked. In comparison, among current smokers, 2.6% (95% CI=2.3-3.0) were current users of smokeless tobacco. Daily use of smokeless tobacco was more common among snuff users (67.3% 95% CI=63.2-71.4) than among chewing tobacco users (45.1% 95% CI=40.6- 49.6). Reported by: Office on Smoking and Health, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion; Div of Health Interview Statistics, National Center for Health Statistics, CDC. Editorial Note: The findings in this report indicate that the use of smokeless tobacco was highest among young males. Adolescent and young adult males, in particular, are the target of marketing strategies by tobacco companies that link smokeless tobacco with athletic performance and virility. Use of oral snuff has risen markedly among professional baseball players, encouraging this behavior among adolescent and young adult males and increasing their risk for nicotine addiction, oral cancer, and other mouth disorders (4). Differences in the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use among racial/ethnic groups may be influenced by differences in educational levels and socioeconomic status as well as social and cultural phenomena that require further explanation. For example, targeted marketing practices may play a role in maintaining or increasing prevalence among some groups, and affecting the differential initiation of smokeless tobacco use by young persons (5,6). In this report, one concern is that nearly one fourth of current smokeless tobacco users also smoke cigarettes. In the 1991 NHIS-HPDP, the prevalence of cigarette smoking was higher among former smokeless tobacco users than among current and never smokeless tobacco users. In a previous study among college students, 18% of current smokeless tobacco users smoked HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 11 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 occasionally (7). In addition, approximately 7% of adults who formerly smoked reported substituting other tobacco products for cigarettes in an effort to stop smoking (8). Health-care providers should recognize the potential health implications of concurrent smokeless tobacco and cigarette use. The national health objectives for the year 2000 have established special population target groups for the reduction of the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use, including males aged 12-24 years (to no more than 4% by the year 2000 objective 3.9) and American Indian/Alaskan Native youth (to no more than 10% by the year 2000 objective 3.9a) (9). Strategies to lower the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use include continued monitoring of smokeless tobacco use, integrating smoking and smokeless tobacco-control efforts, enforcing laws that restrict minors' access to tobacco, making excise taxes commensurate with those on cigarettes, encouraging health-care providers to routinely provide cessation advice and follow-up, providing school-based prevention and cessation interventions, and adopting policies that prohibit tobacco use on school property and at school-sponsored events (5). References 1. Office of Evaluations and Inspections. Spit tobacco and youth. Washington, DC: US Department of Health and Human Services, Office of the Inspector General, 1992; DHHS publication no. (OEI-06)92-00500. 2. National Institutes of Health. The health consequences of using smokeless tobacco: a report of the Advisory Committee to the Surgeon General. Bethesda, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1986; DHHS publication no. (NIH)86-2874. 3. Shah BV. Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) version 5.30 Software documentation. Research Triangle Park, North Carolina: Research Triangle Institute, 1989. 4. Connolly GN, Orleans CT, Blum A. Snuffing tobacco out of sport. Am J Public Health 1992;82:351-3. 5. National Cancer Institute. Smokeless tobacco or health: an international perspective. Bethesda, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, National Institutes of Health, 1992; DHHS publication no. (NIH)92-3461. 6. Foreyt JP, Jackson AS, Squires WG, Hartung GH, Murray TD, Gotto AM. Psychological profile of college students who use smokeless tobacco. Addict Behav 1993;18:107-16. 7. Glover ED, Laflin M, Edwards SW. Age of initiation and switching patterns HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 12 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 between smokeless tobacco and cigarettes among college students in the United States. Am J Public Health 1989;79:207-8. 8. CDC. Tobacco use in 1986: methods and tabulations from Adult Use of Tobacco Survey. Rockville, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, CDC, 1990; DHHS publication no. (OM)90-2004. 9. Public Health Service. Healthy people 2000: national health promotion and disease prevention objectives. Washington, DC: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1991; DHHS publication no. (PHS)91- 50213. --------- end of part 1 ------------ --- Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165 Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD FidoNet=> 1:114/15 Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na ";-1;0 "From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain) Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <1993Apr16.141204.21479@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: |> |> |> BTW, does the Litani River not flow West and not South? I think that its waters |> stay entirely within Lebanese territory and so what Hasan says about the Jordan |> River makes no sense, in any case. The Hasbani River, on the other hand, flows |> into the Jordan, if I am not mistaken. The Litani river flows in a west-southwestern direction and indeed does not run through the buffer zone. The Hasbani does flow into the Jordan but contrary to what our imaginative poster might write, there has been no increase in the inflow from this river that is not proportional to climatic changes in rainfall. |> Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | ";15;1 "From: thom@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy) Subject: Re: Thrush ((was: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?))) Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 55 dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >In article <21APR199308571323@ucsvax.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes: >>Dyer is beyond rude. I'll drink to that. >Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't threaten to rip your lips off, did I? >Snort. >>There have been and always will be people who are blinded by their own >>knowledge and unopen to anything that isn't already established. Given what >>the medical community doesn't know, I'm surprised that he has this outlook. >Duh. Nice to see Steve still has his high and almighty intellectual prowess in tact. >>For the record, I have had several outbreaks of thrush during the several >>past few years, with no indication of immunosuppression or nutritional >>deficiencies. I had not taken any antobiotics. >Listen: thrush is a recognized clinical syndrome with definite >characteristics. If you have thrush, you have thrush, because you can >see the lesions and do a culture and when you treat it, it generally >responds well, if you're not otherwise immunocompromised. Noring's >anal-retentive idee fixe on having a fungal infection in his sinuses >is not even in the same category here, nor are these walking neurasthenics >who are convinced they have ""candida"" from reading a quack book. Yawn... >>My dentist (who sees a fair amount of thrush) recommended acidophilous: >>After I began taking acidophilous on a daily basis, the outbreaks ceased. >>When I quit taking the acidophilous, the outbreaks periodically resumed. >>I resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then. >So? Exactly my question to you, Steve. What's your point? This person had one, you didn't >-- >Steve Dyer Nice to see that some things never change, Steve, if you aren't being ignorant in one group [*.alternative] you're into another. One positive thing came out of it, you are no longer bothering the folks in *.alternative, it's just a shame that these people have to suffer so that others may breath freely. Sorry for wasting bandwidth folks. Don't forget to bow down once every second day, and to offer your first born to the almight omniscient, omnipotent, Mr. Steve. ";-1;0 "From: ccdw@kudu.ru.ac.za (Dave Wilson) Subject: Xlib timeouts? Summary: How to do timeouts using Xlib Keywords: Xlib timeouts Article-I.D.: kudu.ccdw.735917051 Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa Lines: 12 I am in the process of modifying an X application that uses Xlib. I'd like to include a timer-driven facility (for network polling), but cannot see how to do it using Xlib. I know it can be done with Xaw, using XtAppAddTimeout and XtTimerCallBackProc. How do I do the same using Xlib? Thanks for any help. Please email. -- Dave Wilson Computing Centre, Rhodes University Grahamstown, South Africa ";-1;0 "From: steveg@bach.udel.edu (Steven N Gaudino) Subject: Hard Drive for sale! Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 6 I had posted this before, but the buyer fell through, so here goes again.... Western Digital Caviar 2200, 212 meg IDE HD, 3.5 inch drive. Has built in cache (I believe it's 64k, but I'm not positive). Still in unopened, original static bag. Asking $275, obo. ";8;1 "From: Cohen@ssdgwy.mdc.com (Andy Cohen) Subject: Re: My IIcx won't turn on... Organization: MDA-W Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: q5022531.mdc.com In article <_vv58kl@rpi.edu>, pilon@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (T.J. Pilon) wrote: > > Anyone know what would cause my IIcx to not turn on when I hit the keyboard > switch? The one in the back of the machine doesn't work either... > The only way I can turn it on is to unplug the machine for a few minutes, > then plug it back in and hit the power switch in the back immediately... > Sometimes this doesn't even work for a long time... TJ This problem is most likely the same that all cx users are experiencing.... Thanks to one very adventurous USENET reader (sorry I can't remember the guy's name! Somebody please post it....he deserves the credit for saving us all $$$$$) it is easily fixed, if it is the same problem...... Best I can figure it is due to time, heat and repeated warmup/cool downs in the power supply....i.e., bad solder joints in the power supply circuit card. Go get a desolder tool from radio shack, a low wattage iron and some good nonacid solder and resolder the lower left quadrant of the circuit card with the AC plugs facing away from you..........or get someone to do it for you. It took me less then 10 minutes and saved me at least $300 for a new supply! ";0;1 "From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: the usual Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 41 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes: >The possession of nuclear arms (actually weapons grade fissionables) is >currently regulated only by market forces. I.e.: To own them you have to >either make them, buy them or steal them. The only thing that stops you >is the staggering cost (more than most nations can afford), the fact that >no one who has them wants to sell to you and the tight security maintained >on existing stocks. (Just ask Saddam Hussein). I was under the impression that to obtain fissionable materials (i.e., plutonium or reactor/weapons-grade uranium) one was required to obtain a federal permit to own such materials. >Given a source of fissionables, you can build a bomb in your garage with >parts from hardware stores and electronic junk supplies. You might have >to engage in some shady dealings to get the explosive charge, but that's >trivial compared to getting the plutonium. The basic information on the >design was declassified years ago and can be dug out of any technical >library by a physics grad student. Actually, why bother looking it up? From the material we covered last term (in 10 weeks) of Ge/Ch 127 (Nuclear Chemistry), I could *derive* what it would take to build a bomb. And as far as the explosive charge, I (as a chemist) could synthesize a variety of explosives from commonly available chemicals in the garage if I felt like. The electronics behind the detonator and the shaped charges are a little trickier, however . . . but not impossible using a few ""tricks of the trade."" And if I really wanted to be nasty, I could include a core of hydrogen and deuterium . . . Of course, the hardest part is getting the fissionable material to start with, and living long enough to put a bomb together. (Plutonium has some *nasty* properties . . .) >The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com) >Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp Laws define crime. >3100 Ocean Park Blvd. (310) 450-9111, x2483 Police enforce laws. >Santa Monica, CA 90405 Citizens prevent crime. aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu ";-1;0 "From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES In-Reply-To: henrik@quayle.kpc.com 's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 23:24:49 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: vein.cs.rochester.edu Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Rochester <1993Apr20.232449.22318@kpc.com> In article <1993Apr20.232449.22318@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: In article , mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) writes: [...] henrik] Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the henrik] KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. BM] Gimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. It BM] seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ henrik] Again, Armenians in KARABAKH are SIMPLY defending themselves. What do henrik] want them to do. Lay down their ARMS and let Azeris walk all over them. News reports I've seen say otherwise both location and motives wise. CAPS don't change facts. BM] while hoping that Turkey will stay out. Stop and think for a moment, BM] will you? Armenia doesn't need anyone to drag her into the conflict, it BM] is a part of it. henrik] Armenians KNEW from the begining that TURKS were FULLY engaged henrik] training AZERIS militarily to fight against KARABAKHI-Armenians. So? Should I, at this point break into caps and start talking about DEFENSE etc.? I don't know how 'fully engaged' Turkey is/was though. henrik] The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000 henrik] years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS BY STALIN) are the henrik] ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending henrik] themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. BM] Huh? You didn't expect Azeri's to be friendly to forces fighting with them BM] within their borders? henrik] Well, history is SAD. Remember, those are relocated Azeris into henrik] the Armenian LAND of KARABAKH by the STALIN regime. So I hear. This justifies bloodshed N years after the fact? henrik] At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the henrik] KARABAKH crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER henrik] OCCUR again. BM] You're not playing with a full deck, are you? Where would Turkey invade? henrik] It is not up to me to speculate but I am sure Turkey would have stepped henrik] into Armenia if SHE could. Why would Turkey do that? Do you not realize that this is a local clash that Turkey never wished to see happen? Turkey has other plans for region, like economic revival, co-operation etc. Good stuff in other words, I'd be happy to bicker with Armenians over trade barriers and such on USENET rather than 'who killed whom in what way' which I detest doing and wouldn't do. BM] Are you throwing the Cyprus buzzword around with s.c.g. in the header BM] in hopes that the Greek netters will jump the gun? henrik] Absolutely NOT ! I am merely trying to emphasize that in many henrik] cases, HISTORY repeats itself. Even if one buys into your implicit premise, the sane thing to do would be to try not to provoke Turkey as was done in '74. If there'd been a democratic government instead of a bunch of idiots in Athens at the time, everybody would have stayed home with their families. [I have no wish to go into the Cyprus quarrel, but I suspect what I've said is not only accurate but also palatable to all parties involved] BM] Yes indeed Turkey has the military prowess to intervene, what she wishes BM] she had, however, is the diplomatic power to stop the hostilities and bring BM] the parties to the negotiating table. That's hard to do when Armenians BM] are attacking Azeri towns. henrik] So, let me understand in plain WORDS what you are saying; Turkey henrik] wants a PEACEFUL END to this CONFLICT. NOT !! So what do you think we want? War, death and destruction? henrik] I will believe it when I see it. No, if you allow yourself to believe it you just might see it. henrik] Now, as far as attacking, what do you do when you see a GUN pointing henrik]to your HEAD ? Do you sit there and WATCH or DEFEND yoursef(fat chance)? This kind of childish rhetoric doesn't help anthing. henrik] Do you remember what Azeris did to the Armenians in BAKU ? All the henrik] BARBERIAN ACTS especially against MOTHERS and their CHILDREN. I mean henrik] BURNING people ALIVE ! Now, some Azeri will come out and give a description of similar stuff perpetrated by Armenians. One should re-hash stuff like this often to keep the hatred alive, right? BM] Armenian leaders are lacking the statesmanship to recognize the BM]futility of armed conflict and convince their nation that a compromise that BM] leads to stability is much better than a military faits accomplis that's BM] going to cause incessant skirmishes. henrik] Armenians in KARABAKH want PEACE and their own republic. They are henrik] NOT asking much. They simply want to get back what was TAKEN AWAY henrik] from them and GIVEN to AZERIS by STALIN. Well they obviously aren't getting anywhere with their current methods of asking (not very peaceful I'd say). BM] Think of 10 or 20 years down the line -- both of the newly independent BM] countries need to develop economically and neither one is going to wipe BM] the other out. These people will be neighbors, would it not be better BM] to keep the bad blood between them minimal? henrik] Don't get me WRONG. I also want PEACEFUL solution to the henrik] conflict. But until Azeris realize that, the Armenians in henrik] KARABAKH will defend themselves against aggresion. I don't know if you want a solution or just want to exchange slogans. Peace isn't what's happening right now, furthermore what's happening right now isn't condusive to peace. You can spend days and nights raving about how 'right' the Armenian position is and I'm sure there'll be others who'd be happy to talk to you by arguing the other side. If entrenched positions lead to war, and if people want peace than they should sit down and talk about a compromise. Armenia isn't strong enough to exercise the 'we think we're right, and we have the bombs, so we'll do whatever we want, so there...' style of foreign relations. Yes you can type Stalin in caps, and give one sided atrocity stories etc. but for peace you need to be willing to talk to the other side. You personally can choose not to do that of course, this being just USENET. The people in power shouldn't be so childish. BM] If you belong to the Armenian diaspora, keep in mind that what strikes BM] your fancy on the map is costing the local Armenians dearly in terms of BM] their blood and future. henrik] Again, you are taking different TURNS. Armenia HAS no intension henrik] to GRAB any LAND from Azerbaijan. The Armenians in KARABAKH henrik] are simply defending themselves UNTIL a solution is SET. Azeri's would disagree with you on this, and the maps I've seen support what they'd be saying. It doesn't seem likely that a solution will be reached in this manner. BM] It's easy to be comfortable abroad and propagandize BM] craziness to have your feelings about Turks tickled. The Armenians BM] in Armenia and N-K will be there, with the same people you seem to hate BM] as their neighbors, for maybe 3000 years more. The sooner there's peace in BM] the region the better it is for them and everyone else. I'd push for BM] compromise if I were you instead of hitting the caps-lock and spreading BM] inflammatory half-truths. henrik] It is NOT up to me to decide the PEACE initiative. I am absolutely henrik] for it. It didn't look it when I read your posting. It would seem to me that if you can spew mis-information about a boogey-man, you can also talk about how one might avoid the nastiness. Fair? henrik] But, in the meantime, if you do not take care of yourself, henrik] you will be WIPED out. Such as the case in the era of 1915-20 of henrik] The Armenian Massacres. You don't realize I can say the same thing about 'The Turkish Massacres.' Yes, boys and girls, let's always talk about how bad and nasty things were. Let's do that so we're overwhelmed by anger, and let's do that so our kids will also be hateful. Sounds crazy doesn't it? Don't do it then. BM ";15;1 "From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 24 In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >humor us. Thanks for your help. Stankiewicz? I doubt it. Koufax was one of two Jewish HOFs: the other is Hank Greenberg. Other good players: Buddy Myer, Johnny Kling, Norm and Larry Sherry, Ken Holtzman, Saul Rogovin, Ed Reulbach. There have been over 150 Jewish major leaguers. A few years ago there was an article about someone who keeps track of this in Spy magazine; the article was entitled ""Jews on First,"" of course. There have also been at least two books on the subject. Roger ";-1;0 "From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller? Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communications Research Lines: 1 Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com I guess that makes Altima the most generic car in the US. ";-1;0 "From: johne@iti.gov.sg (Dr. John S. Eickemeyer) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore. Lines: 37 In article <1qkgbuINNs9n@shelley.u.washington.edu> bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes: >Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ: >center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it >for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a >straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some >geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss? >Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? Off the top of my head, I might try: Given: p_1, p_2, p_3, p_4 Find: p_c (center of sphere determined by p_1, ..., p_4), dist(p_c, p_i) (radius) p_c is the same distance from our four points, so dist(p_c,p_1) = dist(p_c,p_2) = dist(p_c,p_3) = dist(p_c,p_4) Of course, we can square the whole thing to get rid of square roots: distsq(p_c,p_1) = distsq(p_c,p_2) = distsq(p_c,p_3) = distsq(p_c,p_4) Plug in the variables into the distance formula, simplify, and the x^2_c, y^2_c, and z^2_c terms cancel out, leaving you with three linearly independent equations and three unknowns (x_c, y_c, z_c). Solve using your favorite method. :) All the best, - John :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. John S. Eickemeyer :: ""The Lord God is subtle, Information Technology Institute :::: but malicious He is not."" National Computer Board, Singapore :: Email: johne@iti.gov.sg :: - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: ctd2t@Virginia.EDU (""Chris Dong"") Subject: WANTED:MEMPHIS SUBLET Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 6 Non-smoking, normal law student needs furnished place to live in Memphis this summer. I'll be working at a firm downtown and will have to pass the bar character examination, so you don't have to worry about your stuff being broken or stolen. Call Chris at (804)979-2519 or leave e-mail. ";8;1 "From: bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: Bond University, AUSTRALIA Lines: 52 berry@durian.citr.uq.oz.au (Andrew Berry) writes: >My impression is that most people use Motif because their OS vendor >supplies it with X (SunOS users excluded), and because it is similar in >""look and feel"" to MS-Windows and OS/2 PM. Personally, I also prefer >the ""look and feel"" of Motif (no flames please -- just an opinion). Seeing as Motif has been adopted by Sun, IBM, HP +++ (can't remeber the other members in the recent announcement), I'm sure you'll see it on virtually every workstation (ie. Sun, IBM, HP and DEC must make up the **VAST** majority of all hardware). >I am also concerned by this prevalence of Motif, particularly from the >point of view of writing and obtaining free software. As the Linux and >386BSD communities grow, however, I think that Motif will lose some of >its grip, at least in the non-commercial marketplace. Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups pertaining to Motif has been high. >I just wonder if this will also cause a divergence between commercial >and non-commercial software (ie. you will only get free software using >Athena or OpenLook widget sets, and only get commercial software using >the Motif widget sets). I can't see why. If just about every workstation will come with Motif by default and you can buy it for under $100 for the ""free"" UNIX platforms, I can't see this causing major problems. Side Note : --------- All the X based code I am writing (and will distribute freely when completed) is based on Motif because from a programmatic and also ""look and feel"" point of view I like it the best (no flames on this one please). bambi ___ David J. Hughes bambi@bu.oz.au / \ / / / / __/ __ __ ____/ / / __ Senior Network Programmer / \ / \ / \ / / / / / \ / Comms Development & Operation \____/ \__// / \__/ \___/ / / / AUSTRALIA (+61 75 951450) ";12;1 "From: ai900@yfn.ysu.edu (Joshua P. Weage) Subject: X for PC Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu For those of you who couldn't find X-Appeal, it is availible at the following sitex: ascwide.ascii.co.jp in the /pub/MSDOS/xappeal dir wuarchive.wustl.edu in the /mirrors4/garbo.uwasa.fi/demo directory The three files are xap13exe.aip, xap10fon.zip and drivers.zip. Josh -- + Joshua Weage : U.S. Snail - 277 Spring Rd, Baroda, MI 49101 + + E-Mail: cs890@freenet-in-a.cwru.edu | ai900@yfn.ysu.edu + + Fidonet: Joshua Weage @ 1:2340/130 + + All ideas are my own and no one elses!! + ";-1;0 "From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Mogilny must be benched. Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 36 In article v057p7nk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut) writes: >Anyway, this game continued a trend that has sadly been taking shape for >a couple of weeks now. I had hoped it was fatigue, or an aberration, but >I can't snow myself any longer. Alex Mogilny must be benched as a >disciplinary action, and soon. >His explanation for Ysebaert jumping between him and LaFontaine to score the >winning goal yesterday? ""Wasn't my guy, ask Patty about it."" Actually this stuff from Mogilny doesn't surprise me all that much. About 4 or 5 weeks ago I read in the Toronto Sun a quote from Alex; it went something like [sarcastically]: ""Yep, Patty's the man. He's responsible for the team's success...I'm a nobody around here."" I was going to post it at the time...I must have forgot since nobody else was talking about him being a problem. >If I heard that in the locker room, I'd beat the shit out of him on the spot. >Patty took responsibility in the press, taking the heat off of Alex. That's >because LaFontaine is the epitome of class, and a consummate team player. Yep, I'd beat the shit out of him too. LaFontaine really must be a team player...makes you wonder what the Islander management was thinking. My question is what the hell is Muckler doing? Whether he wishes to admit it or not, the team is his to coach, and if he can't do the job then maybe the job should be given to somebody who can. Gee, kinda like Alex's spot on the team, isn't it? > Dr.D [The Devils Advocate] ";-1;0 "From: kjiv@lrc.edu Subject: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC Lines: 22 Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications has been linked to rapid/excessive weight gain and/or a distorted sense of taste or smell: Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to prevent asthma); Vancenase. Also: You may have guessed, I'm an allergy sufferer--but I'm beginning to suspect I'm also the victim of a Dr. toliberal with the prescription p. The allergist I went to last Oct. simply inquired about my symptons ( I was suffering chronic asthma attacks), gave me a battery of allergy tests, and went down a checklist of drugs (a photocopied sheet). I've gained out 30 lbs. since then though I haven't eaten more or much differently than before; I'vsuffered depression; , fatigue; and I've experienced a foul smell and sense of taste for about the last two months. I mentioned the lack of smell and taste to this Dr. in Feb. and he said my sinuses did look a bit swollen (he just looked up my nose with his little light--the same one used for ears), and prescribed Prednisone and Sulfatrim DS (severe headaches and a rash resulted, particularly after my week's worth of Prednisone ran out). Now he wants to do a rhinoscopy to see if I have a bleeding ulcer or polyps in my sinus cavities. I'm considering seeing another doctor. Any suggestions/advice? I'd really appreciate it! ";-1;0 "From: igor@pravda.tse.su Subject: Who will broadcast the WC Originator: tervo@messi.uku.fi Organization: Central Red Army, Soviet Union Lines: 9 Which GERMAN satellite channels will show the World Championship action from Dusseldorf & Munich? Someone please tell me (must be able to root for the Red Machine)! Thank you ***Russians for the world title, Nordiques for the Cup!!!*** ";-1;0 "From: lovall@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Daniel L. Lovall) Subject: Buick heater controls Summary: My air vents don't work on my 71 Skylark Distribution: usa Organization: Purdue University Physics Department Lines: 31 I have a '71 Buick Skylark with 148K on it. I bought it in California, and if it'll let me, I'd like to keep it for another year. The only problem is these Indiana winters--my heater controls don't work. The car has vacuum operated control switches for the vents. Right now it is stuck in the ""vent"" mode. It will blow warm air, but I can't switch the air flow to either the floor (I can live without this) or the defrost (I can't live without this). I probably could just jam the air deflector to the defrost position, but this blows a lot of air in my face and is, well, kind of like putting a vacuum cleaner in reverse. I have taken parts of the dash off and looked at the vacuum system and I think the problem (or part of it) is with the two diaphragms which control up/down and outside/inside air flow. THe diaphragm which controls outside(vent)/in- side(no vent) air is cracked most of the way around, and the other one is probably damaged too, considering the advanced age of the car. Two questions: 1) Is there anything I should be aware of about this (other than the fact that I should move from Indiana) ? 2) In the event that replacement diaphragms aren't available, is there a way to ""fix"" this? THanks for any advice/info selah, Dan lovall@physics.purdue.edu ";-1;0 "From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: insect impacts Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 36 In article <2385@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes: > > For those who have had problems with small birds what about the > large raptor types when they are swooping across the road after > smallish prey?? I had a hawk, Falcon what ever come within 5 > feet of me, lucky for him (or me for that matter) he noticed me > and my, and pulled up on his/her trajectory at the last moment. > Scared the shit outa me...nothing like a red tailed hawk in the > face, Talons and all....I wonder if riding a Nighthawk has > anything to do with it....hmmmm? > > Ryan > 0780 I got a male Mallard duck in the chest once. It was like being kicked by my karate instructor. No accident, but my eyes were tearing so hard, and I was wheezing so loudly, that it's quite remarkable that I was able to come to a stop with the rubber side up. The duck, BTW, lived, and seemed quite healthy, though we both sat by the roadside and shook our heads for a few minutes. The bruise went from my right collar bone all the way down to my belly button. Regards, Charles DoD0.001 RZ350 -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person ";-1;0 "From: boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) Subject: RANGERS ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 14 I can't believe that the NY Rangers would force its players to go to Binghamtom to play in the AHL playoffs instead of letting them represent their countries in the World Championships. Anderrson and Zubov are waiting for the NHL to make a decision to this, while Kovalev has given in and gone down to the minors. The Rangers are a disgrace. ps. it has been reported that Neil Smith was very much against the hiring of Mike Keenan. How long will Smith be in NY for? the GodFather. ` ";-1;0 "From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver) Subject: Re: WAX RESIDUE ON BLACK MOLDING Organization: What you won't find on my desk. Lines: 17 Sayeth ""Joseph D. Mazza"" : $I waxed my car a few months ago with a liquid wax and now have whiteish $smears where I inadvertantly got some wax on the black plastic molding. $I've tried repeatedly to remove the smears with no luck. I'm on the $verge of replacing the molding altogether (it's a nice car). Armor All removes Raindance wax on my Mazda Protege's black plastic bumpers. Your mileage may vary. Given this observation, one would be well advised to take care not to get any of this (or, probably, similar protectants such as Son of a Gun) on one's paint ... -- |I know that sometimes my jaw clicks when I eat. Void where prohibited.| |Have you seen this boy? Lust never sleeps. I say hurl. Honey, I'm | |home. _________________________________________________________________| |_____/ silver@bokonon.UUCP ...!{uunet|becker|xrtll}!bokonon!silver | ";-1;0 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" Article-I.D.: po.kmr4.1447.734101641 Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr6.041343.24997@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes: >The point has been raised and has been answered. Roger and I have >clearly stated our support of the BSA position on the issue; >specifically, that homosexual behavior constitutes a violation of >the Scout Oath (specifically, the promise to live ""morally straight""). Please define ""morally straight"". And, don't even try saying that ""straight"", as it is used here, implies only hetersexual behavior. [ eg: ""straight"" as in the slang word opposite to ""gay"" ] This is alot like ""family values"". Everyone is talking about them, but misteriously, no one knows what they are. --- ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men."" Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993 The one TRUE Muslim left in the world. ";9;1 "From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco Lines: 24 hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: >bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: > >>Specifically: when I bring up the fact that Genesis contains two >>contradictory creation stories, I usually get blank stares or flat >>denials. I've never had a fundamentalist acknowledge that there are >>indeed two different accounts of creation. > >That is because two creation stories is one of the worst examples of >a difficulty with the Bible. ""were formed"" can also be translated ""had been >formed"" in chapter two without any problems. So the text does not demand >that there are two creation stories. Really? I don't get it... Genesis first says that God created the earth, then the animals, then humans; then it turns around and says that humans were created before animals! How can you escape this contradiction? -- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. / is that it ends. -- Rousseau ";19;1 "From: fas2981@ultb.isc.rit.edu (F.A. Shea) Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cached) IDE Controller Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr16.140234.13267@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.074836.6819@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu writes: >>I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is >>DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of >>the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between >>5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the >>interface between the controller and the memory. >> >>My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance. > >Computer: 286-25 mhz >Bus: ISA (12.5 mhz) >Drive: Maxtor 7213A (213 mb) > >I'd still like to here from people with VLB-IDE. >I still want to know what VLB bus speed is used with IDE drives. >I still want to know if some (most ?) IDE drives can handle bus speeds > 8 mhz. I recently bought a Micron 486DX/33 VLB computer and the the local bus ide card was getting around 1k/s transfer rates (says norton). I caled micron because this seemed pathetically slow and they said that norton 6.xx doesn't recognize local bus and won't give accurate results. I was told I would need norton 7.0 in order to get a true account of my ide transfer speed. I didn't really like this answer in part because the drive doesn't seem as though it's cranking along at much more than that, but I also don't know if I could tell the difference. I tried playing around with settings in the CMOS (bus speed at the like) and noticed no significant change in performance. **B0100000027fed4 Frank Shea -- ""Learn of the skillful; | Frank Shea He that teaches himself, | fas2981@ultb.isc.rit.edu hath a fool for his master"" | Rochester Institute of Technology - Ben Franklin | ";5;1 "From: rouben@math9.math.umbc.edu (Rouben Rostamian) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 60 NNTP-Posting-Host: math9.math.umbc.edu In article <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes: > >Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used >to compute sunrise and sunset times. Here is a computation I did a long time ago that computes the length of the daylight. You should be able to convert the information here to sunrise and sunset times. -- Rouben Rostamian Telephone: 410-455-2458 Department of Mathematics and Statistics e-mail: University of Maryland Baltimore County bitnet: rostamian@umbc.bitnet Baltimore, MD 21228, USA internet: rouben@math.umbc.edu ====================================================================== Definitions: z = the tilt of the axis of the planet away from the normal to its orbital plane. In case of the Earth z is about 23.5 degrees, I think. I do not recall the exact value. In case of Uranus, z is almost 90 degrees. u = latitude of the location where the length of the day is measured. Paris is at about 45 degrees. North pole is at 90. a = angular position of the planet around the sun. As a goes from 0 to 360 degrees, the planet makes a full circle around the sun. The spring equinox occurs at a=0. L = daylight fraction = (duration of daylight)/(duration of a full day). On the equator (u=0) L is always 1/2. Near the north pole (u=90 degrees) L is sometimes one and sometimes zero, depending on the time of the year. Computation: Define the auxiliary angles p and q by: sin p = sin a sin z cos q = h ( tan u tan p ), (0 < q < 180 degrees) Conclusion: L = q / 180 (if q is measured in degrees) L = q / pi (if q is measured in radians) Wait! But what is h? The cutoff function h is defined as follows: h (s) = s if |s| < 1 = 1 if s > 1 = -1 if s < 1 As an interesting exercise, plot L versus a. The graph will shows how the length of the daylight varies with the time of the year. Experiment with various choices of latitudes and tilt angles. Compare the behavior of the function at locations above and below the arctic circle. -- Rouben Rostamian Telephone: 410-455-2458 Department of Mathematics and Statistics e-mail: University of Maryland Baltimore County bitnet: rostamian@umbc.bitnet Baltimore, MD 21228, USA internet: rouben@math.umbc.edu ";-1;0 "From: haston@utkvx.utk.edu (Haston, Donald Wayne) Subject: Hijaak News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Keywords: Hijaak Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center Lines: 14 I have heard some impressive things about Hijakk (for Windows). Currently, I use a shareware program called Graphics Workshop. What kinds of things will Hijaak do that these shareware programs will not do? What has been your experience with Hijaak? Are there other programs that are better? Please email me, if you can help: Wayne Haston HASTON@UTKVX.UTK.EDU Thanks! ";1;1 "From: batwood@SU1AB.Harris-ATD.com (Brett Atwood) Subject: Re: I thought commercial Advertising was Not allowed Nntp-Posting-Host: su1ab.ess.harris.com Distribution: world Reply-To: batwood@su1b.ess.harris.com Organization: Harris (Government Communications System Division) Lines: 4 |> [ debate deleted ] I guess it is allowed. ";-1;0 "From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: islamic genocide Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 23 In article <1qi83b$ec4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: (Deletion) >#>Few people can imagine dying for capitalism, a few >#>more can imagine dying for democracy, but a lot more will die for their >#>Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who Died on the Cross for their Sins. >#>Motivation, pure and simple. > >Got any cites for this nonsense? How many people will die for Mom? >Patriotism? Freedom? Money? Their Kids? Fast cars and swimming pools? >A night with Kim Basinger or Mel Gibson? And which of these things are evil? > Read a history book, Fred. And tell me why so many religions command to commit genocide when it has got nothing to do with religion. Or why so many religions say that not living up to the standards of the religion is worse than dieing? Coincidence, I assume. Or ist part of the absolute morality you describe so often? Theism is strongly correlated with irrational belief in absolutes. Irrational belief in absolutes is strongly correlated with fanatism. Benedikt ";9;1 "From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Steve Holland) Subject: Re: Crohn's Disease Organization: UAB - Gastroenterology Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr14.174824.12295@westminster.ac.uk>, kxaec@sun.pcl.ac.uk (David Watters) wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am a Crohn's Disease sufferer and I'm interested if anyone knows of any current research that is going on into the subject. I've done some investigation myself so you don't need to spare me any details. I've had the fistulas, the ileostomy, etc.. > > Is a ""cure"" on the horizon ? > > I am not in the medical profession so if you do reply I would appreciate plain speak. > > I'd prefer to be mailed direct as I don't always get a chance to read the news. > > Thank you in advance. > > Dave. The best group to keep you informed is the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America. I do not know if the UK has a similar organization. The address of the CCFA is CCFA 444 Park Avenue South 11th Floor New York, NY 10016-7374 USA They have a lot of information available and have a number of newsletters. Good Luck. Steve ";-1;0 "From: win@athen.sto.mchp.sni.de (Andrea Winkler) Subject: X and Security / X Technical Conference Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS Lines: 31 I had no possibility to join the 7th annual X Technical Conference January 18-20 1993 Boston, MA Nevertheless, I'm interested in information about the tutorials, exspecially about Tutorial ID: A-SECURITY Title: A Survey of X and Security Tutorial ID: F-ADMIN Title: X and the Administrator Does anybody know, where I can get information (paper/mail) about these ? Has anybody information about Kerberos (escpecially in connection with X Display Manager xdm)? Thanks, Andrea Winkler (Siemens Nixdorf Muenchen, Germany) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ S I E M E N S Andrea Winkler Internet: Andrea.Winkler@sto.mchp.sni.de ------------- SNI STO XS 322 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 D-8000 Munich 83 N I X D O R F Phone:(089)636-41449 FAX: (089)636-42833 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";12;1 "From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) Subject: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventianal peace) Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc. Lines: 85 Now we have strong evidence of where the CPR really stands. Unbelievable and disgusting. It only proves that we must never forget... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: > >From: Center for Policy Research >Subject: Unconventional peace proposal > > >A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. Not so unconventional. Eugenic solutions to the Jewish Problem have been suggested by Northern Europeans in the past. Eugenics: a science that deals with the improvement (as by control of human mating) of hereditory qualities of race or breed. -- Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary. >5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed' >marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on >'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its >ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a >truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of >people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the >Middle-East in a graceful manner. This is nothing more than Feisal Husseini's statement that the Zionist entity must be disolved by forcing it to ""engage"" the surrounding ""normal"" Arab society. ""a strong mixed stock"", ""integration of Israeli society into the Middle East in a graceful manner,"" these are the phrases of Nazi racial engineering pure and simple. As if Israeli society has no right to exist per se! >3. Fundamentalist Jews would certainly object to the use of >financial incentives to encourage 'mixed marriages'. From their >point of view, the continued existence of a specific Jewish People >overrides any other consideration, be it human love, peace of >human rights. The President of the World Jewish Congress, Edgar >Bronfman, reflected this view a few years ago in an interview he >gave to Der Spiegel, a German magazine. He called the increasing >assimilation of Jews in the world a , comparable in its >effects only with the Holocaust. This objection has no merit >either because it does not fulfill the first two assumptions (see >above) ""the continued existance of a specific Jewish People overrides any other consideration, be it human love, peace of human rights."" Disolve the Jewish People and protect human values such as love and peace; yes ve have heard this before Her Himmler. Notice how the source of the problem seems to be accruing to the Jews in this analysis. Ya, Der Spiegal ist a gut sourcen... >5. It may objected that such a Fund would need great sums to >bring about substantial demographic changes. This objection has >merits. However, it must be remembered that huge sums, more than >$3 billion, are expended each year by the United States government >and by U.S. organizations to maintain an elusive peace in the >Middle-East through armaments. A mere fraction of these sums would >suffice to launch the above proposal and create a more favorable >climate towards the existence of 'mixed' marriages in >Israel/Palestine, thus encouraging the emergence of a >non-segregated society in that worn-torn land. Nice attempt to mix in a slam against U.S. aid to Israel. >I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as >well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful >discussion and enrichment. > >Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND Critical comment: you can take the Nazi flag and Holocaust photos off of your bedroom wall, Elias; you'll never succeed. -- Chris Metcalfe !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now we'll find out where you fans really stand... ";-1;0 "From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Old Predictions to laugh at... Summary: LONG! Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 404 Oops! I came across this file from last year. Thought you might enjoy some of these thoughts. The predictions were made on the date indicated. They are largely out of order. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ June 11, 1992 tedward@cs.cornell.edu (ME!) >What have I done? I computed the ""expected winning percentage"" for >each team from their OBP, total bases, and runs allowed. I use the >basic RC formula and the pythagorean projection. I then compare this >with their actual winning percentage. All stats through June 7. > >Team OBP TB RA W L XWP Diff >baltimore 0.351 768 199 33 21 0.647 -36 >boston 0.334 580 176 26 25 0.548 -38 >toronto 0.319 750 221 34 22 0.540 68 >new york 0.327 759 237 28 26 0.523 -5 >milwaukee 0.325 692 226 28 25 0.498 31 >detroit 0.328 782 285 24 31 0.448 -11 >cleveland 0.316 688 274 22 34 0.386 7 >minnesota 0.353 797 237 30 24 0.585 -29 >oakland 0.350 719 236 32 23 0.532 50 >texas 0.324 815 281 33 26 0.469 90 >chicago 0.325 601 212 25 27 0.459 22 >california 0.307 664 231 22 32 0.438 -30 >kansas city 0.310 656 239 22 32 0.420 -13 >seattle 0.310 726 290 22 33 0.376 24 You all know how things turned out. The Orioles, Red Sox, and Yankees all disappeared. The Jays and Tigers continued at essentially the expected pace. The Brewers and Indians cranked in the second half. The Rangers predictably took a dive. That shouldn't have surprised anybody. Meanwhile, as predicted, the Mariners dropped behind the Angels and Royals. They clearly didn't deserve the 22-33 record in June. The White Sox and A's upped their game a bit, while the Twins dropped off a little. But for the most part things were as expected. Okay, so there were a few blatant errors. But for a predictive calculation, I thought this did pretty well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu Tue Mar 31 16:36:34 1992 >1. The Braves insert Kent Mercker into the starting rotation >sometime this year (1992). Bielecki is traded or released, Lei- >brandt becomes the fifth starter, and the best bullpen in baseball >has Pena, Berenguer, Stanton, Wohlers, Freeman, and Pete Smith, who >spot-starts as well. Hm. Pete Smith made the rotation instead of Mercker. And Bielecki wasn't released until the end of the year. I won't comment on the bullpen. (Jeff Reardon??? :-) >2. Blauser wins the starting shortstop job outright by the end >of May. Bream goes on the DL, and Klesko goes on a nice hitting >honeymoon (a la Gregg Jefferies in 1988) platooning with Hunter. >Mitchell wins the center field job a bit later (All-Star break?) and >Nixon stays on as a valuable pinch-runner. Lonnie is released unless >the Braves find a taker in a trade. Right on Blauser. Wrong on Bream and Mitchell. A bit early on Lonnie, as with Bielecki. Didn't pick Sanders. (Did anybody? :-) >3. Managers to be fired this year (1992) in chronological order: >Fregosi, Showalter, Valentine, Riddoch Three of them went, right? Showalter is still around (and likely to stick, it seems). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mattel.Auto-trol.COM!mattel@auto-trol.com Tue Mar 31 17:04:22 1992 >1) Bonds gets traded from Bucs for some young talent. Nope! They won the division, and so kept him for a shot at the playoffs. >2) Mets win division :-) Well, they didn't finish last. >3) Atlanta repeats in the West Got that one right. >4) Yankees surprise everyone, but finish second behind Toronto. Nope. >5) Dwight Gooden wins 20, but is surpassed by Saberhagen who wins 22. I guess this is why you picked the Mets to win, huh? >6) Roger Clemens is injured early in the season. Tsk Tsk. Not nice to predict something like this. >7) Strawberry fails to hit even 20 home runs and is often injured. >8) Due to 7, Dodgers drop out of race. You got that right! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And my response... >From tedward Tue Mar 31 17:57:42 1992 > >Hmph! Can tell you are a Mets fan! Do you mind if I make some counter >predictions against yours? They follow: >2) Mets come in third, behind Pittsburgh and Montreal. Okay, so the Mets finished fifth. But I got the Pirates and Expos right! >4) The Yankees offense and pitching flounders, dropping them to fourth > place in the AL East. Boston wins 95 games, the division, the pennant, > and the World Series. First half? Dead on! Second half? Ummm.... I'm a Sox fan, go easy on me! >5) Dwight Gooden rushes his comeback, gets blown out, and goes on the DL from > May through mid-July. > Saberhagen runs a .500 record; WFAN criticizes the Mets for ""giving away > that great talent Jefferies"", who has a solid year in KC. So I got my predictions for Gooden and Saberhagen reversed. :-) I was at least *close*, and was right about Jefferies. (Though I don't know. HAS WFAN criticized the Jefferies trade?) >6) Roger Clemens wins another CY, as well as 20 games. Close. No cigar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In article , al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani) writes: > Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 1-Apr-92 Re: NL East( Smiley > trade's.. CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale. (591) > >> OPS Projected for 1992: >> HoJo .792 > > I will streak naked down Forbes avenue if HoJo does not muster more than > a .792 OPS. Something is wrong with that projection. Some predictions need no introduction! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu Mon Apr 13 02:09:15 1992 >>From tedward@cs.cornell.edu >>Do you care to put your prediction down for posterity? You predict >>Mark Grace will get 90+ RBIs. I say you are out of your mind. That >>is almost impossible for a 10-HR type guy batting behind Dawson. (Who >>kills most of the rallies he doesn't finish.) > > Why do you say that? Mark has driven in 82 ('90) and 79 ('89). >Last year Mark was batting second primarily and it was his worse year >average wise. Since he is batting either 3rd or 5th this year I predict >he will be back up to his previous standards (I think he will be better) >90 rbi's is not that much of a stretch. Sometimes us statheads get lucky. Grace *didn't* hit behind Dawson the entire season, but he also finished with only 79 RBIs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From nss3@midway.uchicago.edu Tue May 19 22:09:06 1992 > >The most ballsy prediction ever: > >Mark McGwire will hit 61 or more HRs this year. Nope. He slowed down, and the injury finished him off. Didn't even reach 50. But a ballsy prediction, nonetheless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ECAXRON@MARS.LERC.NASA.GOV Thu May 21 16:42:21 1992 >(1) Baltimore will not fade. They will not win the division this year, > but they will finish within five games. I find the prospect of two > Orioles winning 20 each easier to comprehend than that of two Sox. > No offense - I think their pitching is about as good as the division > has to offer. The Orioles finished seven games out. None of them won 20 (though Mussina might have had a chance, with better relief and more starts). >(2) Nobody else in the division is worth a darn. They all finish a minimum > of fifteen games out, the Tribe 30. That's another reason to watch > Baltimore this year and next - they won't waste many of those games > against the rest of the division. Except for the Brewers (who you probably forgot), you were right! The rest of the division was thoroughly mediocre. The Yankees and Indians ""led"" with 76 wins, the Red Sox ""trailed"" with 73 wins. None were horrible, but four were five or more games below .500. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: djohnson@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (David Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1992 15:47:30 GMT >Right. That was me. I never said the Jays were a cinch to clinch it >but I said that Milwaukee will be more of a threat than Baltimore. I >do think that Toronto should win it but after '87 I don't consider >anything a cinch unless you have something like a 4 game lead with 3 >games to go. I do think that the Jays have the best talented team in >the AL East and if we had a good, or even average manager we might >have a bigger lead right now. I also think that the Orioles will not >play much better than .500 baseball for the rest of the season. You win! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From king@cogsci.UCSD.EDU Thu Nov 14 14:33:45 1991 > >In article <1991Nov13.060413.9187@cs.cornell.edu> you write: >>7. Indians the first and only 0-162 season ever! :-) > >Prediction: The Cleveland indians will win 70 or more games next year. You were right! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu Fri Sep 13 01:15:52 1991 > >1. Jose Rijo will win the 1992 Cy Young award IF he is healthy enough to go >at least 210 IP. (Who would have thought he would try to steal a base? Why >risk such an injury???) He had 211 IP, but didn't win the Cy Young. Maddux surprised all. >2. The Orioles will win 88+ games in at least 3 of the next 6 years >(probably the last 3) and their pitching staff will have a team ERA >among the best 4 in the AL in at least 3 of the next 6 years (but not >necessarily all the same years as they win 88+). This one will take a >long time to verify. I don't think I want to wait that long. But they won 89 games last year, and they were fifth in the league in ERA. Not a bad start. >4. Ben McDonald will not challenge for an ERA title in the next 2 >years, nor will he have 18+ victories either year. (By challenge, I >mean FINISH among the leaders; being among the leaders BEFORE the >season is done doesn't count.) He will probably never be the pitcher >he was hyped to be, but is still a decent starter to have. Looks like it. He wasn't bad last year, just too consistent to be an ace. So far this year looks like more of the same. >5. The Phillies will give up *many* fewer walks if/when they get rid of their >bullpen coach (Ryan). (I am not predicting when or whether they will get rid >of him, and you will have to give the team a little bit of time to adjust >before seeing the radical change. They would have a fine pitching staff if >they would just steal Ray Miller away from Pittsburg. The White Sox seem to >have the same problem, but not as bad.) I honestly can't say. Did they get rid of him? Their BB totals were down last year. >7. Ricky Jordan will have 90+ rbi IF he starts 145+ games, hitting in >the 3 or 4 or 5 spot in any lineup or the 6 spot in a lineup with very >good OBP in the 4,5 hitters. This applies for each of the next 3 >years. I just don't think he's that good.... >12. Billy Ripken will *never* again hit over .240 with 400+ AB. :-) So far, so good. I'm *definitely* not waiting to check this one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From panix!spira@cmcl2.NYU.EDU Fri Sep 13 12:38:08 1991 > >No matter what Lou Gorman and his scouts say, Paul Quantrill will >never ever be an adequate major league starter. Never! (I have never >seen a starting pitcher who can only strike out 3 per 9 innings at AAA >be successful in the majors.) Current plans seem to be to use Quantrill in long relief. He has a rubber arm and unusual delivery. He might be decent in that role. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lyle@ecn.purdue.edu Sat Sep 14 01:51:28 1991 > M.V.P. - `92 >A.L. - Frank Thomas >N.L. - Hal Morris > > Division Winners - `92 >A.L. East - Baltimore Orioles >A.L. West - Chicago White Sox >A.L. Pennant - Chicago White Sox >N.L. East - St. Louis Cardinals >N.L. West - Cincinatti Reds >N.L. Pennant - Cincinatti Reds >W.S. Champion - Cincinatti Reds Wrong on all of the above. (Hal Morris????) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And my favorites! From tedward Sun Oct 20 23:52:57 1991 > >Belle will not walk as many as 50 times in 1992. >Belle will hit more HR than he has walks in 1992. Belle hit 34 HR last year, walking 52 times (but five of those were intentional!). Okay, so I exaggerate. But I *might* have been right. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From trn@strdev.jhuapl.edu Tue Mar 31 15:25:28 1992 > >> Are the O's going to sign Cal, of is Eli's wallet welded shut (outgoing >> money only, wide open for incoming cash 8-)) > >My prediction (which you may make note of, Valentine :-) ), is that Eli Jacobs >will defer any serious negotiations on Cal Ripken's contract until the '92 >season is over. Eli will give Cal every opportunity to have his stats tumble >a bit from last year's pace before coming forth with an offer. > >(Despite claims that OP@CY was designed to Cal's strength, my feeling is that >the 411 foot left-center ""canyon"" will cut down on Cal's power stats.) > >After all, it's hard to credibly to offer $3-4 million/year to an >All-Star game MVP/AL MVP/Gold Glove shortstop/baseball deity :-) -- >but it'd be a lot easier to offer a similar salary to an ""obviously >declining but above average"" shortstop who had a career year one full >season ago. > >Of course, if Cal *does* match his '91 numbers, then Eli is going to be faced >with a rather huge (and expensive) problem... How much did Cal sign for? When did he sign? If I remember correctly, he got a rather hefty contract despite a weak season. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And finally.... From jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca Thu Sep 12 10:35:58 1991 > >Generally, because of expansion in 1993, there will be a lot of >mediocre talent hanging around. Much of it will not make it, as the >expansion teams look for younger talent around which to build their >teams. My specific predictions: > >As of April 7, 1993: > >Jim Acker and Cory Snider will be selling aluminum siding. Snyder is still in SF. Acker is gone?? >Neither Charlie Kerfeld nor Vance Lovelace (presently in Tiger AA but >formerly big leaguers) will be playing professional ball. They aren't in the majors. >Nor will Dave Rozema (who says he's keeping in shape with a hope for >another shot with expansion). Never heard of him. >Shawn Hare and Jody Hurst will be in the major leagues. >(They are outfielders in the Tiger minor league system) I don't *think* they are in the majors. >Ron Hassey will be a minor league manager with the Yankees. Dunno what happened to him. >It will be bye-bye for Balboni. If he's still around, he's stuck in the minors. >Bo Jackson will _not_ be a starter. Hm. With Raines out, Bo looks to get a lot of PT. >Gary Huckaby will have moved to Alaska permanently (they're on the >net!), :-) >and Dave Kirsch will return to Canada to live. Hm. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for listening! -Valentine ";-1;0 "From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Telephone on hook/off hok ok circuit Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 59 In article <1993Apr15.144826.4607@bnr.ca> moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes: >: >> >Just a thought of mine here: >: >> >Since an on-hook line is aprox 48-50V, and off-hook it usually drops below 1 >: >> >How about an LED in series with a zener say around 30V. >: >> >On-hook = LED on >: >> >Off-hook = LED off. >: >> >Would this work? If anyone tries/tried it, please let me know. >: >> >: >> Aye, there's the rub -- if you draw enough current to light an LED, the >: >> equipment at the phone company will think you've gone off hook. >: >> In the on-hook state you're not supposed to draw current. >: > >: >Which means you should just use your Digital VoltMeter. You can use an >: >old VOM but the phone company equipment can detect that and might think >: >there's something wrong with the cable. >: > >: >: Look Guys, what's the problem here? If you want a light that goes on when >: the 'phone is *Off* hook, all you need it to run it in *series* with the >: line, as I mentioned in my previous post. If you want a light that goes on >: when the 'phone is *on* hook, all you need is a voltage threshold detector. > >If you're going to do the series Diode thing (which is the easiest), just >make sure that the LED can take the current (I can't recall it off-hand, but >it's something like 100mA or more?) Careful now folks... Also consider the 90VAC+ @20Hz that is forced on ring and tip when the phone's supposed to ring! Even with a simple zener and LED setup, you might end up with some carbon real quick. Whatever scheme you use, make sure you've got at least 200V-rated components on the frontend. Also remember that, if I'm not mistaken, the phone line is a 600ohm equivalent circuit. Any current you draw from the 48V or so gets dropped across that 600ohms. That's fine until you're down to roughly 12V, when Ma Bell considers it to be off-hook. But dropping it that far down is probably a big no-no. The easiest implementation to accomplish the above?? tip ------->|-----\/\/\/\-----+----------+ rectifier resistor | | diode | \ V / zener /---/ \ resistor | / | | | V LED | --- | | ring --------------------------+----------+ This is only a suggestion...go ahead and blow holes in it, but you get the idea. Choose a high-efficiency LED so you don't need much current to get it to light up. Choose values for the other components as required. aaron ";11;1 "From: ml@chiron.astro.uu.se (Mats Lindgren) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: Uppsala University Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: chiron.astro.uu.se Comet P/Helin-Roman-Crockett also spent some time as a temporary satellite to Jupiter a few years ago if you believe the calculations by Tancredi, G., Lindgren, M. and Rickman, H.(Astron. Astrophys., 239, pp. 375-380, 1990). -- ------------------------------------------------------------- | Mats Lindgren | Mats.Lindgren@astro.uu.se | | Astronomical Observatory | 21619::laban::ml | | Box 515 | | | 751 20 Uppsala | Phone (+46) (0)18 51 35 22 | | Sweden | Fax 52 75 83 | ------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: suresh@pa.dec.com (Suresh Balasubramanian) Subject: *****Twin Size Mattress/BoxSprng/Frame for SALE $75***** Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 29 Distribution: ba NNTP-Posting-Host: tmax4.pa.dec.com !-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*! Twin Size - Mattress, Box Spring and Frame for SALE. ** Medico-Pedic [type of mattress?] ** Excellent condition ** 2 yrs old ** Well maintained -- You come and pick it up, stuff is located in PaloAlto Asking for: $75 Contact: Suresh (415)-617-3522 [W] (415)-324-9553 [H] E-Mail: suresh@pa.dec.com !-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*! -- o o o o o o o . . . ______________________________ _____=======_||____ o _____ ||Suresh Balasubramanian | |suresh@pa.dec.com| .][__n_n_|DD[ ====_____ |Digital Equipment Corp. | | (415) 617-3522 | >(________|__|_[_________]_|____________________________|_|_________________| ";-1;0 "From: glenne@sr.hp.com (Glenn Elmore) Subject: Re: Single chip receiver for FSK? Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2] Lines: 78 John Ackermann x 2966 (jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM) wrote: : My next project is to come up with an IF/detector module for fast -- 112 : to 250 kB/sec -- packet radio use. No fancy modulation scheme, just : wide FSK for use at 902 or 1296 MHz. : I'm a bit familiar with the Motorola 3362 chip, but I wonder if there : are newer designs that might work at higher input frequencies. : My goal is to come up with an inexpensive design for a receiver ""back : end"" with IF input on one end and an FSK demondulator on the other. I'm : particularly interested in ways to use a higher IF than 10.7 -- do any : current chips work up to, say 150MHz with internal downconversion so a : normal IF filter can be used? : Any suggestions? : John What you describe is very close to what I built and described in the 10th ARRL Computer Network Conference proceedings. I built 10 watt FSK transceivers at 904 MHz. They are essentially double conversion transverters with digital mod and demod at 29 MHz. The receiver uses the MC13055 which is the same FSK receiver chip I used previouslyu in the 2 Mbps 10 GHz data link I first published in Ham Radio and which is now also in the ARRL handbook. The MC3356, which includes a VHF converter section, could also be used at these speeds. There is a newer and perhaps slightly improved design of this (the MC13056 if I remember rightly). While using this would have let me reduce the ""external"" IF count on receive, it didn't really offer all that much help on transmit so I didn't bother with it. The radios I built were first designed and built for 512 kbps in a 2 MHz channel but later reduced to half that. These 256 kbps radios actually have done quite well in across-the-bench tests at 384 kbps and speed is pretty much a function of filter design. Handling the data stream is another matter entirely. Some of the existing radios are currently deployed on hilltops in a ""beacon"" test mode. While there is not yet end-end two-way data flow due to lack of resources to debug software for the digital hardware (MIO also shown in the CNC proceedings), data is perfect copy at n6gn. Even though the data clock is currently at about half speed, the a 2+ kbytes of the test text (chapter 55 of Isaiah) takes only a little over 1/8 of a second. I've been hoping that someone would get interested enough to step in and get involved in writing code to make the whole thing usable (Borland IDE environment with remote debugging possible as mentioned in the proceedings) but to date a couple of us have been on our own and running low on resources of time, money and energy. If anyone in the SF bay area wants to check it out there is also a CW ID after the text on the mark side at 904.740 MHz from beacons on Sonoma Mtn and Black Mtn (overlooking Si valley). The antenna is horizontally polarized. I guess in retrospect my suggestions are that this is a fairly costly approach if the radios are intended for users rather than backbones and you might want to carefully consider your ""target"". If you can't arrange your paths such that you have complete line-of-sight I think you'll want to address the inter-symbol-interference caused by multipath and probably link C/N budgets if paths are very far from LOS. For more details, see the 10th CNC. I'm currently working on a spread spectrum, direct conversion design to address some of these problems. I'd be glad to help as I can with any design problems. 73 Glenn Elmore n6gn N6GN @ K3MC amateur IP: glenn@SantaRosa.ampr.org Internet: glenne@sr.hp.com ";-1;0 "From: brad@ravel.udel.edu (Brad Cain) Subject: Changing system fonts Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 18 I would like to change all of the system fonts in windows... I have a program that will generate system fonts from truetype, but i was wondering if there is a problem to help you set up all your system fonts. Also, how do i change the icon text color... all of my icon text is black, and i want to change it... couldn't find any options in control panel or in win.ini brad cain brad@bach.udel.edu -- **************************************************************************** brad@bach.udel.edu Brad Cain N3NAF cain@snow-white.ee.udel.edu University of Delaware Electrical Engineering cain@freezer.cns.udel.edu ""Blah, blah, blah"" alt.blah ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: It was an 'encore' performance staged by the Armenians during WWI. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 47 In 1941, while the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi concentration camps, the Nazi Armenians in Germany formed the first Armenian battalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion had grown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of Dro (the butcher) who is the architect of the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920. An Armenian National Council was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party leaders in Berlin, which was recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by this, the Armenians summarily formed a provisional government that endorsed and espoused fully the principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the members of the Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of extermination of the Jews. This Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an ""encore"" performance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and exterminated 2.5 million Turks by colluding with the invading Russian army. Source: ""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922"" by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) (287 pages). (Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 184 (second paragraph) ""I had received further very definite information of horrors that had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their treatment of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from Zivin that 'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not be left in independent command of the Moslem population, as, their troops being without discipline and not under effective control, atrocities were constantly being committed, for which we should with justice eventually be held to be morally responsible'."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";15;1 "From: Lawrence Curcio Subject: Analgesics with Diuretics Organization: Doctoral student, Public Policy and Management, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu I sometimes see OTC preparations for muscle aches/back aches that combine aspirin with a diuretic. The idea seems to be to reduce inflammation by getting rid of fluid. Does this actually work? Thanks, -Larry C. ";-1;0 "From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 23 In article Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Knicker Twister) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> >npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes: > >> With regards to the pub brawl, he might have a history of such things. >> Just because he was a biker doesn't make him out to be a reasonable >> person. Even the DoD might object to him joining, who knows? If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he got his drinking money from? I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out of hand or of shoddy journalism. If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they should put the money in trust. They don't, so I would assume it's perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that way myself. -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) ";-1;0 "From: Patrick Walker Subject: Did you really expect Toronto to go anywhere? REALLY! Lines: 13 Organization: The University of New Brunswick Detroit is a very disciplined team. There's a lot of Europeans in Detroit which would make the game fast, so Toronto would have to slow the game down, which means drawing penalties, as a last resort anyway. Toronto will be a good team as soon as they get more good players. Toronto is just an average team, Detroit isn't Ballard screwed Toronto when he was owner. Everyone knows that. and it's going to take time for Toronto to become a real force. I expect Gilmour to be burnt out next year. He can't pull the whole team forever. Patrick Walker University of New Brunswick ";-1;0 "From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: Promoting competition does not depend upon libertarians Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 60 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: > >[ These two paragraphs are from two different posts. In splicing them > together it is not my intention to change Steve's meaning or misrepresent > him in any way. I don't *think* I've done so. ] > >>As noted in another thread (Limiting govt), the problem libertarians face >>is insuring that the ""limited government"" they seek does not become the >>tool of private interests to pursue their own agenda. >> >>It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any >>reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. Just >>as Marxism ""fails"" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and >>the state is to ""wither away,"" libertarians frequently fail to show how >>weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human >>condition. [Patrick's example of anti-competitive regulations for auto dealers deleted.] >Here's what I see libertarianism offering you: >... >This does not seem to me to be a utopian dream, but basic human decency >and common sense. A real grass-roots example of freedom and liberty. >And yes, not having a few people acting as our masters, approving or >rejecting each of our basic transactions with each other, does strike me >as a wonderful way to improve the human condition. > > Thanks awfully, > Patrick Let me try to drag this discussion back to the original issues. As I've noted before, I'm not necessarily disputing the benefits of eliminating anti-competitive legislation with regard to auto dealers, barbers, etc. One need not, however, swallow the entire libertarian agenda to accomplish this end. Just because one grants the benefits of allowing anyone who wishes to cut hair to sell his/her services without regulation does not mean that the same unregulated barbers should be free to bleed people as a medical service without government intervention. (As some/many libertarians would argue.) On a case by case basis, the cost/benefit ratio of government regulation is obviously worthwhile. The libertarian agenda, however, does not call for this assessment. It assumes that the costs of regulation (of any kind) always outweigh its benefits. This approach avoids all sorts of difficult analysis, but it strikes many of the rest of us as dogmatic, to say the least. I have no objection to an analysis of medical care, education, national defense or local police that suggests a ""free market"" can provide a more effective, efficient means of accomplishing social objectives than is provided through ""statist"" approaches. With some notable exceptions, however, I do not see such nitty-gritty, worthwhile analysis being carried out by self-professed libertarians. jsh -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 ";-1;0 "From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Thrush ((was: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?))) Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 34 In article <21APR199308571323@ucsvax.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes: >Dyer is beyond rude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't threaten to rip your lips off, did I? Snort. >There have been and always will be people who are blinded by their own >knowledge and unopen to anything that isn't already established. Given what >the medical community doesn't know, I'm surprised that he has this outlook. Duh. >For the record, I have had several outbreaks of thrush during the several >past few years, with no indication of immunosuppression or nutritional >deficiencies. I had not taken any antobiotics. Listen: thrush is a recognized clinical syndrome with definite characteristics. If you have thrush, you have thrush, because you can see the lesions and do a culture and when you treat it, it generally responds well, if you're not otherwise immunocompromised. Noring's anal-retentive idee fixe on having a fungal infection in his sinuses is not even in the same category here, nor are these walking neurasthenics who are convinced they have ""candida"" from reading a quack book. >My dentist (who sees a fair amount of thrush) recommended acidophilous: >After I began taking acidophilous on a daily basis, the outbreaks ceased. >When I quit taking the acidophilous, the outbreaks periodically resumed. >I resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then. So? -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer ";-1;0 "From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) Subject: Carrying crutches (was Re: Living Article-I.D.: usenet.1pqhkl$g48 Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) says: > >When I broke my right leg in two places (not a motorcycle accident -- a >_car_ accident; who woulda thunk it?) I put my crutches on Gretchen's rear >rack. I'm getting the metal rod pulled out on Friday and going back on >the crutches for six weeks. I think crutches on the handlebars sound more >aesthetically pleasing. How did you attach them? When I got my knee rebuilt I got back on the street bike ASAP. I put the crutches on the rack and the passenger seat and they hung out back a LONG way. Just make sure they're tied down tight in front and no problemo. -- Go fast. Take chances. Mike S. ";-1;0 "From: jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin) Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers? Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr09.182821.28779@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) wrote: > > You could file a complaint for dangerous operation of a motor vehicle, > and sign it. Be willing to show up in court if it comes to it. No... you can do this? Really? The other morning I went to do a lane change on the freeway and looked in my mirror, theer was a car there, but far enough behind. I looked again about 3-5 seconds later, car still in same position, i.e. not accelerating. I triple check with a head turn and decide I have plenty of room, so I do it, accelerating. I travel about 1/4 mile staying ~200 feet off teh bumper of the car ahead, and I do a casual mirror check. This guy is RIGHT on my tail, I mean you couldn't stick a hair between my tire & his fender. I keep looking in the mirror at him a,d slowly let off teh throttle. He stays there until I had lost about 15mph and then comes around me and cuts me off big time. I follow him for about 10 miles and finally get bored and turn back into work. I can file a complaint about this? And actually have the chance to have something done? How? Who? Where? jim * Jim Franklin * jamesf@apple.com Jim Bob & Sons * * 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 | .signature remodling * * 1969 Triumph 650 (slalom champ) | Low price$ Quality workman- * * DoD #469 KotP(un) | ship * Call today for free estimit ";-1;0 "From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: Help with SIMM configuration Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 22 rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher) writes: >Can someone please help me understand the current situation >regarding SIMMS? Sure. I can give is a shot... >I have a IIsi which I will probably keep for another 2 years. >I would like to add more memory, ie go from 5 MB to 17 MB. >I know that I will need 4 x 4MB, 80ns or faster SIMMS. >Which SIMMS, 30 pin or 72 pin? You need to get the 30-pin simms. >Would the SIMMS I get today be usable in 2 years with a >newer, more powerful system? If you mean in a ""newer, more powerful"" Mac system then the answer is no. Apple has stated that all new Macs will use the 72-pin SIMMs and no longer use the 30-pin SIMMs. -Hades ";-1;0 "From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!! Article-I.D.: usenet.1pqhvu$go8 Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) says: >In article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: >| >|Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan? Wow, and he seemed like such >|a nice boy at RCR I too. > >And Noemi makes me think of ""cuddle"", not ""KotL"". > You talking bout the same Noemi I know? She makes me think of big bore hand guns and extreme weirdness. This babe rode a CSR300 across the desert! And a borrowed XL100 on the Death Ride. Don't fuck with her man, your making a big mistake. -- Go fast. Take chances. Mike S. ";-1;0 "From: JACK.T.SENDAK@OFFICE.WANG.COM (""Jack T. Sendak (V)"") Subject: Baseball card FOR SALE Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs Lines: 7 I have a Roberto Clemente 1969 Topps baseball card for sale, in near-mint condition (really as close to mint condition as you can get). It lists for $55 in my most recent baseball card pricelist for May. I am offering it for $50 and I'll pay the certified postage to ship it to you. Please respond to Jack.T.Sendak@office.wang.com or at 1-800-999-3732 ext. 5269 in Maryland. ";-1;0 "From: riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) Subject: Losers (Was Re: Stop putting down white het males.) Keywords: racism, sexism, mysogyny Organization: LNK Corporation, Riverdale, MD Lines: 152 Nntp-Posting-Host: descartes.tec.army.mil In article <1993Apr2.180839.14305@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) writes: >In <1993Apr2.064804.29008@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Rivero) writes: > > >> I don't know what you as a white male did. I do know what white males, >>as a class, have done. > >> They've invented the light bulb, the automobile, the airplane, printing with >>movable type, photography, computers, the electric guitar. anasthesia, rocket >>powered space flight, the computer, electricity, the telephone, TV, motion >>pictures, penecillin(sp), telescopes, nylon, and the X-Ray machine. > >Two glaring errors here. First, white males don't do anything as a ""class."" >INDIVIDUAL white males invented those things, which means nothing to white >males as a whole. Second, you neglected to mention Charles Manson, Hitler, >McCarthy, Jack the Ripper, Ted Bundy, and a whole slew of individuals who >have done horrible, evil things. If white males can take the credit for >our fellow white males' boons, we must also take the blame for our >fellows' blights. I claim we deserve neither credit nor blame for these >things. > > >> We are told, by U.S. congresswoman Barbara Jordan, that we are biologically >>incapable of compassion. > >She's full of shit. > >> We are told by Susan Brownmiller that we're all rapists and that's ALL >>we are. > >She's full of shit. > >> We're told by Catherine Comins that a false rape charge is actually good >>for us. > >She's full of shit. > >> We are told by the feminist lawyers that we are not to be trusted with >>children. > >They're full of shit. > >> We are told, by Newsweek magazine, that we are ""poor sports"" if we complain. > >Newsweek is full of shit. > >The point, ladies and gents? Michael is not entirely correct in his theory >that because members of our race and gender made great advances, the race >and gender as a whole deserve more respect than they receive. White males >DO deserve to be treated better than they are being treated, but not for >that reason. And the male-bashers he quoted are repugnant hate-mongers, no >better than the chauvinists they despise. So no one's right, as usual. > >White males need to wake up and realize that they're being unfair, yes. But >everyone else needs to wake up and realize that being unfair right back is >disgusting, racist and sexist. > >Why can't we learn to treat everyone fairly, without generalizing? What >stupidity gene makes this so difficult? ""I'd like to buy the world a >clue..."" The word that is missing in this whole discourse is not the ""B"" word, or the ""H"" word, or even the ""N"" or ""W"" words. It is the ""L"" word - LOSER !! That's right. When we boil all the crap out of this argument, it is all about WINNING and LOSING, and nothing else. Let me explain. Remember the eighties ? No excuses. Nobody who can handle a mail buffer can claim they are ""too young"" to remember Ronald Reagan - yet. The eighties were about ""How America Learned to Win Once Again"". Then (wouldn't you know), we won so well that there was nothing left to win. No Cold War to endure. No nuclear holocaust. No more worlds to conquer (We forgot about outer space long ago). The kind of overwhelming, no holds barred success that killed Alexander the Great. Yes, there were a few ""little"" problems along the way - stock market meltdown here, an S&L bailout there, a few revolts and crazy Middle Eastern dictators to contend with, but as Tacitus would tell ya', the God Augustus never had it so good. In the meantime, there is guilt for winning, maybe a fear that one doesn't deserve one's bounty - or success. So there is a ""kinder and gentler type of politician these days, Bill Clinton, affirmative action, and lots of discourse about people who ""don't get it"". For those of us in the winning business, this kind of talk is mildly irritating, but there is still no suggestion of losing. But what do we find now ? To put it mildy, the stereotype of our ""white male"" non-winner is Woody Hayes in the Rose Bowl, punching out photojournalists when those California fruits and nuts steal another one with a ""Hail Mary"" pass in the Fourth Quarter. (The whole idea behind 'three yards and a cloud of dust' is to wear your opponent down until he collapses in the final period) But Woody just used his fists - Uzzies seem to be the weapon of choice these days. Who is D-FENS, anyway ? The answer is as plain as the horn rims on your face. The guy is MICHAEL DOUGLAS, posing as a LOSER. This is known as controversial casting. But that baggy short-sleeved white shirt sure does look natural on Mike doesn't it. Gordon Gekko will never look the same. (Though Woody always dressed that way.) Did we really expect Gekko to take it easy and enjoy that kind of wardrobe, without putting up a fuss ? What we are starting to lose sight of is, that bashing D-FENS is the same game as bashing that poor African American slug that Clint Eastwood used to blow away all the time. As that arch-WASP (male gender) George C. Scott declaimed, ""Americans traditionally LOVE TO WIN. They love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser."" And so on. The political implications are simple. If, as many socialists - and Democrats - do, you consider society a finite pie to a apportioned in some ""equitable"" way, then you have to worry about who is a winner and who is a loser to tell whose side you are on. That could be black women today, Asian homosexuals tommorrow, and yes indeed, white men some yet to be determined day when the balance of the pie has finally swung against that (39%) minority. Or you can just blow the whole thing off and say - as do most conservatives and all the libertarians - and act is if you didn't care who's winning and who's losing. In some cases, you might say something about make sure the game is fair (equality of opportunity, not of condition). In the latter case, you might be able to identify yourself as a ""neoconservative"" or a ""neoliberal"" depending on how much you want to limit the pot. Either way you go, the way of the Winner is no longer the way to be popular - at least after you graduate from High School (but you'll still be popular at High School reunions). But it beats being a Nerd, as I would imagine Michael Douglas would now agree, and in the long run, it is the only way to go. (Even in Hollywood, which treats Losers worse than any other place in America except for New York and Washington, D.C. - and even in Columbus, Ohio, which produced Alex Keaton, but no champion football teams in the eighties and the first quarter of the nineties) I'd like to see more Winners in this society, regardless of race, gender, religious preference, and sexual orientation. Maybe we should even let a few more of them be white men !! (We should DEFINITELY let the Buckeyes win the Rose Bowl someday) Bill R. -- ""The only proposals in the Senate that I ""My opinions do not represent have seen fit to mention are particularly those of my employer or praiseworthy or particularly scandalous ones. any government agency."" It seems to me that the historian's foremost - Bill Riggs duty is to ensure that virtue is remembered, and to deter evil words and deeds with the fear of posterity's damnation."" - Tacitus, _Annals_ III. 65 ";-1;0 "From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) Subject: NASA ""Wraps"" News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio Lines: 133 In the April edition of ""One Small Step for a Space Activist"", Allen Sherzer & Tim Kyger write: ""Another problem is what are called 'wraps' (or sometimes the 'center tax'). When work for a large program like Freedom or Shuttle is performed at a NASA center, the center skims off a portion which goes into what amounts to a slush fund. This money is used to fund work the center manager wants to fund. This sum is estimated to be over a third of the funds allocated. Think about that: Of the $30 billion cost of Freedom, fully $10 billion won't be spent on anything having anything to do with Space Stations! Now, maybe that $10 billion was wisely spent (and maybe it wasn't), but the work done with it should stand on its own merits, not distorting the cost of other projects. Congress has no idea of the existense of these wraps; Congress has never heard the term 'center tax'. They look at the Station they are getting and the price they are paying and note that it doesn't add up. They wonder this blissfully unaware that a third of the money is going for something else."" My dear friends, your mixing fact and fiction here. A couple of weeks ago, when I first read this in your posting, I talked with one of the cost experts here in Space Station at Headquarters [if you wondering why I didn't post a response immediately, I do have a real job I'm supposed to be doing here at Headquarters, & digging up old 20 kHz data & looking into Sherzer/Kyger claims rates pretty low on the totem pole of priority. Also, I spent last weekend in Kansas City, at the National Science Teachers Association conference, extolling the virtues of SSF to 15,000 science teachers.] First off, yes, the concept of 'center tax', or 'wrap' does exist. If I recall the numbers correctly, the total 'tax' for the SSF program for this fiscal year is around $40 Million. This was computed by adding up the WP-1, WP-2, and WP-4 center 'taxes'. With the SSF budget for this fiscal year at $2.2 Billion, my calculater says the tax percentage is 04/2.2 = 1.8% Over the life of the SSF program, using your figure of $30 billion for the cost of SSF, a tax at a 1.8% rate comes to $540 million. This is alot less than $10 billion, but I will concede it's still an appreciable amount of pocket change. I should note that your estimate of the tax rate at 1/3 could be close to the actual rate. The tax is only charged on funds that are spent at the center (kind of like McDonalds at some states, where you do have to pay sales tax if you eat the food at the restaurant, but you don't if you get it take-out). For example, at WP-4, the vast bulk of the funds we receive go to the Rocketdyne Contract, and are *NOT* subject to the center tax (I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I'd guess at least 95% of the WP-4 funds go to Rocketdyne). So, you could be right about a tax rate of 1/3, but it's only applied to funds spent at the center, and not to the prime contracts. This leads to the obvious question ""What is the government doing with SSF funds that don't go to the prime contractors? (i.e. ok, WP-4 gets a slice of the $30 billion pie. A big portion of this slice goes to Rocketdyne. What happens to the balance of the funds, which aren't eaten up by the center tax?)"" At WP-4, we call these funds we spend in-house supporting development funds (as they are supporting the development work done by Rocketdyne). We have used these funds to setup our own testbed, to checkout the electrical power system architecture. Our testbed has a real life solar array field (left over from solar cell research research a few years back), with lead-acid car batteries (to simulate the Nickel-Hydrogen batteries on SSF), DC switchgear, DC-DC converter units, and simulated loads. Data from the testbed was used in a recent change evaluation involving concerns about the stability of the power system. We have also used the supporting development money to purchase Nickel Hydrogen batteries, which are on life testing at both Lewis and the Crane Naval facility in Indiana. As a side point, 6 of the battery cells on test recently hit the four year life test milestone. 38 cells have completed 18,552 to 23,405 cycles (the on-orbit batteries go through 5,840 cycles per year). As a final example, my 'home' division at Lewis used the supporting development funds to purchase personal computers and work stations, for performing system analyses (like modeling of the performance of the electrical power system, availability calculations using a Monte-Carlo simulation, setting up a database with information on weight of the power system elements). Finally, the money raised by the 'tax' does not all go into a 'slush fund.' At Lewis, the director does control a small discretionary fund. Each year, any individual at Lewis can submit a proposal to the director to get money from this fund to look at pretty much anything within the Lewis Charter. Most of the tax, however, goes to fund the 'general' services at the Center, like the library, the central computer services division, the Contractor who removes the snow, etc. Thus, it is rather difficult to determine what percentage of the SSF budget doesn't go for SSF activities. To get an accurate figure, you would have to take the annual expenditure for the library (for example), and then divide by the amount of the library funds used to support SSF (which would be hard to compute by itself - how would you figure out what percentage of the bill for Aviation Week for 1 year is 'billable' to SSF, would you base it on the person-hours SSF employees spend reading AV-week versus the rest of the center personnel). You would then have to compare this estimate of the SSF portion of the library expense with the portion of the tax that goes to support the library. Who knows, maybe SSF overpays on the tax to run the library, but we underpay for snow removal? Talk about a burecratic nightmare! My last point is that I can't believe your claim that Congress has never heard of the term 'center tax.' Unfortunately, all of the NASA testimony before Congress isn't on a computer, so I can't do a simple word search someplace to prove you wrong. But surely, in some GAO audit somewhere, these NASA cost methods were documented for Congress? ";2;1 "From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) Subject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series) Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Distribution: na Lines: 28 bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes: >RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. Actually, they're pretty worthless, if you want to evaluate players with stats. RBIs and Runs Scored should be banned; all they do is confuse victims of mediot brainwashing like yourself. You >can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains: > The team that scores more runs wins the game! > --------------------------------------------- Uh, so? You've just explained why we use OBP and SLG to evaluate players. Precisely because the team that scores more runs wins the game. Traditional baseball stats have gotten way too far away from methods which enable fans to see who contributes to those runs scored - that's where OBP, SLG, Runs Created, Linear Weights, etc. come in. These simplify matters so that we can more easily measure a player's offensive contribution to the team's runs scored. Thank you for making our case. Have a nice day. Greg ";-1;0 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Lines: 25 : There are chips which perform the voice compression/expansion. They can't : be expensive, because they exist in many phones connected to PBXs or on the : PBX line cards, as well as in a lot of equipment which compresses : voice-grade circuits to save the cost of long-distance, leased T1s or : satellite circuits. : I can't remember the generic term for these chips. My impression is that : this was a big deal 10 years ago, but circuits have gotten so cheap that : it isn't done much now. Codecs. They have to get about 6:1 compression on 8 bit samples to squeeze them down v32bis. I played around with the lossless 'shorten' program last night, but it only managed 2.5:1. I've got some specimen CELP code but it's not obvious that it runs in real time; I think it's just proof-of- concept code, and I have some mucking about with file formats to do before I can put my own sample through it. Looks like the current option is to use a voice-mail modem with built-in DSP chip to do this in hardware. That means two modems for a system, putting the cost at $600 upwards. Ouch. Maybe soon we'll be able to do it in software on high-powered games consoles - isn't the 3DO an Acorn RISC machine inside? That cpu runs like shit off a shovel... and will be nicely mass-market too. G ";-1;0 "From: mellis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael E Ellis) Subject: **Web of Spiderman--Auction Update** Summary: Auction update Keywords: High bid at 52.00 Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.155739.14712 Distribution: usa Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 30 Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Web of Spiderman--Auction List ISSUES #1-92, ANNUALS 1-7 This set will be auctioned as a complete set (if there is enough interest). The books have been quickly evaluated for grade. All books are VF+ to NM unless noted below (These were ascertained when putting the books into new bags with boards (2 books per bag)): 2-small dinks in spine; 4-spine slightly rolled; 5-2 small crease in front cover, dinks in spine; 13-slight tear-edge front cover; 14-spine dinged up; 15-cover/pages crinkled from humidity; 19-crinkled form water damage; 21-cover not flat; 22-shipping smudge on cover; 28-spine dinked up; 30-3 small dinks in spine; 33-spine dinks; 35-tiny crease top left corner of cover; 38-dinks in spine; 43-paper clip mark; 45- 2 small spine dinks; 47-slight spine roll, spine dinks; 52-back cover crease; 92-cover wrinkled; Annual 1-slight spine roll, cover marks CURRENT HIGH BID: 52.00 BIDDER: Jon (jon@tivoli...) The successful bidder (assuming there is one) will have the books sent UPS, COD-cash or money order. $6.50 will be added to the total successful bid to cover these charges, so bid accordingly. Thanks Mike ";8;1 "From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Subject: MS-Windows screen grabber? Keywords: windows screen grab document graphics Lines: 20 Reply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Organization: Trent University Howdy all, Where could I find a screen-grabber program for MS-Windows? I'm writing up some documentation and it would be VERY helpful to include sample screens into the document. Please e-mail as I don't usualy follow this group. Thanks a lot, Grant -- Grant Totten, Programmer/Analyst, Trent University, Peterborough Ontario GTotten@TrentU.CA Phone: (705) 748-1653 FAX: (705) 748-1246 ======================================================================== ""The human brain is like an enormous fish -- it is flat and slimy and has gills through which it can see."" -- Monty Python ";-1;0 "From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net I suspect that the decisive element in the political battle will be the FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) factor. If the people who would be end users of the Cripple Chip hear of the whole debate only vaguely -- the government says it's solid; other people in the field say it's Swiss cheese -- the balance of doubt could shift against the Feds. Any attempt to limit other forms of encryption could then be presented as the government covering its own butt by protecting its poor product from superior competition. Comments? ";16;1 "From: btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko) Subject: DOS Quick C 2.5 crashes Windows 3.1? Reply-To: b-banko@uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 22 I am using DOS Quick C 2.5 in a DOS window under Windows 3.1, and the other day while I was running the compiler, I got a general protection fault immediately followed by a ""serious disk error"". When I rebooted, I found that about 15 files had gotten ""cross-linked"" which is a pretty serious corruption of the hard drive file system. I am concerned that Quick C in a DOS window has somehow strayed outside its protected mode world and corrupted the smartdrv.exe disk cache and that is what caused the disk problem. I thought that DOS programs run in DOS windows were pretty well-contained by Windows. If that is true, then maybe the Quick C compiler has nothing to do with it. Has anybody else had this type of problem? (I only recently ""upgraded"" from Quick C 2.0 to 2.5.) Brad Banko -- Brad Banko; Dept of Physics; U of Illinois; b-banko@uiuc.edu ========================================================================= See one. Do one. Teach one. 73 de kb8cne @ n9lnq.il ";-1;0 "From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Mogilny must be benched. Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 19 In article wong@fraser.sfu.ca (Sam S. Wong) writes: >> About 4 or 5 weeks ago I read in the Toronto Sun a quote from Alex; it >> went something like [sarcastically]: >> ""Yep, Patty's the man. He's responsible for the team's success...I'm a >> nobody around here."" >How can you assume it was a sarcastic remark? >For someone whose first language is not English, I would interpret >that comment to mean that he believes Pat is the MVP on the team and that >he is just one of the other normal players. Quite modest I might say. Well, I don't recall assuming anything, except perhaps that the columnist who reported the incident was telling the truth i.e. the sarcastic impression came from _him_ (Steve Simmons?). Besides, to my knowledge Alex has a pretty fair grasp of the English language...and his recent comment after the Detroit game would indicate that this remark _is_ what I think it to be. Very low. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca ";-1;0 "From: maher@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (552) Subject: Wanted: critiques on multi-windowing system toolkits Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: kong.gsfc.nasa.gov Any pointers to articles, or personal opinions, critiquing user interface toolkits that operate across many windowing systems (e.g., X, MS Windows, Macintosh) - you know, Open Interface, XVT, Aspect ... If you reply with your opinion, please BRIEFLY state your choice and a short discussion why. Steve Maher maher@outland.gsfc.nasa.gov -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Maher (301) 286-5666 (voice) Flight Dynamics Division maher@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center ";-1;0 "From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press: Nazi methods. Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500343:000:3194 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 16:50:00 1993 Lines: 66 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press: Nazi methods. /* Written 4:38 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ /* ---------- ""From Israeli press: Nazi methods."" ---------- */ FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS Newspaper: Ha'aretz Date: 14 February1993 Author: Gideon Levi Subject: NAZI methods in Gaza Title: In the neighborhood of Hope, among the rubble (Excerpts) Mahmoud Jowara'r stared at me long and sadly: ""I worked my entire life in order to built that house and this is what is left"". Only TV could transmit the full sadness of his face. ""You say that we teach our children to hate you, but what do you expect to happen to a child who sees this ?"" And once again he wraps himself in a lengthy silence, his face crumbling into weeping. Mahmoud stood in the field of rubble that was once his home. The term 'dispossession' has an absolute meaning here. Nothing is left of what he accumulated during his entire life, only the rubble of a house and shreds of belongings. Once again Khan Yunis. Once again demolished homes. Last Thursday there was a search for wanted people here. Once again the IDF forces employed the new method, fired and bombed and shot missiles and placed explosives. Already three times during the past weeks I have gone out to see the destruction and each time I was more horrifying scenes. This time they hit the largest number of houses, 17 according to the IDF estimate, ten of them completely demolished. But not only that: the method has also become more brutal. Three weeks ago, in Tufah neighborhood in Gaza, the residents were still told to remove their valuables from their homes. This time the army skipped that part; three weeks ago the handcuffed men, inhabitants of the demolished homes, were supplied with some water and one apple during the 12 hours they had to stand. This time there was only water. Three weeks ago they were even allowed to go out to the toilet. This time the soldier just gold them: Piss and shit in your pants. And thus, last Thursday, some 45 men stood for about 12 hours, their hands bound behind their backs, their eyes blindfolded, without food, with wet pants on their legs and a terrible feeling of humiliation in their hearts, listening to the sounds of the explosions destroying their homes, one after the other. (...) Dr. Juma'a Fuad Said al-Rubi. the brother from Saudi Arabia, emerges from among the ruins. Ten days ago he arrived for a family visit, mainly in order to celebrate the housewarming with his father and brothers. On Thursday he was handcuffed like everyone else for 12 hours, and later went with everyone to view the destrucion. He tried to explain that he was a visitor and that he is a physician, but only got a shove. Like all the rest he also urinated in his pants, while standing with his hands bound and his eyes blindfolded for the entire day. Juma'a al-Rubi studied medicine at Cairo University, and for ten years he has been treating wealthy Saudis in Medina. His wife and four children remained there. Now his documents have been lost and he does not know how he will return to them. ""There is no humanity"", stated the physician from Saudi Arabia. ";-1;0 "From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 17 In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >Really? You don't know what objective value is? If I offered the people >of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that >sound like a good deal? That happens to be a subjective example that the people of the US would happen to agree on. Continue to move the price up; at some point a few people would accept then more then more until probably all would accept at a high enough number. Endpoints of a subjective scale are not the given homes of objective viewpoints. -jim halat ";-1;0 "From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) Subject: CNN for sale Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 32 Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu W.K. Gorman: <3>> Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band <3>> together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast <3>> the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two.. <3>I would like to see this happen. I don't think it will. I don't <3>think the average gun-owner will take any notice of what is happening <3>until they break down HIS door. <3>BUT I will go on record publicly to the effect that I will contribute a <3>minimum of $1,000.00 to the buy-out fund if it can be organized and made <3>viable. Anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is? :) <3>There ar 50+ MILLION gun owners out there. If - and it's a big and <3>not very realistic if - we got hold of CNN, the anti-gun bullshit would <3>STOP RIGHT THERE. Why won't it happen - because nobody will get off their <3>ass and MAKE it happen. Nuts. Any NRA headquarters weenies listening to this man. Any RTKBA organization honcho listening. It's time to stop fighting the Brady's and the Schumer's (now there's an interesting meaning to the acronynm BS) from the comfort of the office....we had better get serious with our time and money and get after it or we might just as well pack it in now. --- . OLX 2.2 . Gun control advocates must have had a sanity by-pass! ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: ALL-TIME BEST PLAYERS Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 40 In article <1993Apr15.125205.29853@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.173428.12056@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes: >> >In article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu >> > writes... >> >>I've recently been working on project to determine the greatest >> >>players at their respective postions. >> >>2B Career >What about U. Johnny Hodapp, the greatest 2nd baseman in Cleveland Indians >history? 225 hits in 1930, consistantly over .300. A great, great second baseman. Um, the header said *career.* Hodapp managed about 3000 PA in his nine years in the majors. As for his ""consistently over .300,"" make that ""three years in a row, preceded by a part-time year, plus his last year, with Boston."" Hodapp only qualified for the batting title five times. Was he injured? He retired right around his 28th birthday. Anyway, Hodapp put up flashy numbers the year *everybody* put up flashy numbers. That was his only really good year with a bat; his other .300 years were marred by a lack of power and an inability to draw walks. Only 163 of those 3000 PA were bases on balls, which does not describe a feared hitter. On the other hand, he was part of the long line of famous Cleveland 2B: Wambsganss, Riggs Stephenson, etc. Roger > >Jon ""Johnny"" Hodapp >jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu >=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > ";-1;0 "From: ching@coyote.WPI.EDU (Jay Heminger) Subject: Re: NCAA finals...Winner???? Article-I.D.: bigboote.1pqgt9$r46 Distribution: world Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: coyote.wpi.edu Originator: ching@coyote.WPI.EDU Maine beat LSSU 5-4. -- ------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!---------------------- | | | GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! | -------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu------------------------------- ";13;1 "From: isc10144@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHAN NICODEMUS) Subject: Greek Wordprocessor/Database. Organization: National University of Singapore Lines: 25 Hi there, Does anyone know about any greek database/word processor that can do things like count occurrences of a word, letter et al? I'm posting this up for a friend who studies greek. Thanks, Nico. P.S. Can you email as I seldom look into usenet nowadays. -- +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | NICODEMUS CHAN, | Raffles Hall, NUS, Kent Ridge Cres. | | Department of Information Systems | Singapore 0511. (Tel : 02-7797751) | | & Computer Science, | [Hometown Address]: | | National University of Singapore. | 134, Nanyang Estate, Jinjang North | | Kent Ridge Crescent, | 52000, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia | | SINGAPORE 0511 | E-Mail : isc10144@nusunix.nus.sg | | | channico@iscs.nus.sg | +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ ""Call unto me and I will answer you and show thee great and unsearchable things you do not know."" Jeremiah 33:3 ";-1;0 "From: yjwu@eng.umd.edu (Yu-Jen Wu) Subject: What's the difference between ~30-pin and 72-pin SIMMS? Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: paxsunc.eng.umd.edu Hi, Can anyone tell me the difference between ~30-pin and 72-pin Simms? I wish to get detailed information about the origin of these two different types of Simms, preferably a magazine review aricle. By the way, if there is a FAQ for this group which covers the Simms information, please also direct me to it. Any help/information would be very much appreciated. Sincerely, Yu-Jen Wu Dept. of EE, Univ. of Maryland yjwu@eng.umd.eu ";-1;0 "From: wdm@world.std.com (Wayne Michael) Subject: Re: XV under MS-DOS ?!? Organization: n/a Lines: 12 NO E-MAIL ADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch writes: >Hi ... Recently I found XV for MS-DOS in a subdirectory of GNU-CC (GNUISH). I please tell me where you where you FTP'd this from? I would like to have a copy of it. (I would have mailed you, but your post indicates you have no mail address...) > -- Wayne Michael wdm@world.std.com ";-1;0 "From: Harry Powell Watson Subject: Boss Guitar Pedal Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: For Sale: One Boss Turbo Overdrive Pedal for guitar, bass, or keyboards--$35 or best offer. Thanks!! Respond to hw26 or call 268-4841. Harry ";-1;0 "From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) Subject: Re: Sid Fernandez? Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY Distribution: usa Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr15.145914.1575@csi.jpl.nasa.gov> cub@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Ray Miller) writes: >I read this morning that Sid Fernandez left last nights' game with stiffness >in his shoulder. Does anyone have any information as to the extent of the >injury (if indeed there is one), or weather the cold air in Colorado just got >his joints a little stiff? > >Thanks for the help... All they said on the radio that he developed stiffness in the shoulder after throwing a curveball that didn't loosen. Because of the cold night in Denver they decided to remove him from the game rather than let him pitch. He is expected to pitch his next turn in the rotation (expected to be April 20, at Shea vs the Giants). -- scott barman | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell): scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com < egreen@east.sun.com writes: |In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: |> |> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for |>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church |>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just |>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I |>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely |>passenger? | |If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a |crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size. If your |primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big |spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a |small one). Well, you can accomplish both goals, actually, if you have a definite physical type in mind when you go to these (cough) church meetings.. If your tastes tend to smaller, more petite (cough) churchgoers, it is more likely that they will have a smaller head, and you can safely get a medium or small helmet. This works for me, and I traded my spare large helmet with my best friend, who, at 6'9"", tends to look more for women that are over 6'0"", and can't usually fit into the medium size helmet he previously had... Of course, if you aren't picky what size (*cough*) churchgoers you give helpful motorcycle rides to, then Ed's advice will hopefully cover any eventuality as far as legality is concerned, and a spare handtowel in the tankbag makes acceptable padding so the passenger can see out of the viewport (rather than the padding above the viewport) in the cases of extreme mismatch. Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy DoD #0013 ""But, this one goes to *eleven*..."" - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_ ";-1;0 "From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 36 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu In article <1qmetg$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: [...] >horse's neck in the direction you wish to go. When training a >plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins >under his necks. Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein ^^^^^ [...] >Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, [...] Given my desire to stay as far away as possible from farming and ranching equipment, I really hate to jump into this thread. I'm going to anyway, but I really hate it. Ed, exactly what kind of mutant horse-like entity do you ride, anyway? Does countersteering work on the normal, garden-variety, one-necked horse? Obmoto: I was flipping through the March (I think) issue of Rider, and I saw a small pseudo-ad for a book on hand signals appropriate to motorcycling. It mentioned something about a signal for ""Your passenger is on fire."" Any body know the title and author of this book, and where I could get a copy? This should not be understood as implying that I have grown sociable enough to ride with anyone, but the book sounded cute. ----- Tommy McGuire mcguire@cs.utexas.edu mcguire@austin.ibm.com ""...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information, identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."" ";-1;0 "From: mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Keywords: Nata thing !! Nntp-Posting-Host: nimitz.mcs.kent.edu Reply-To: Matthew Hamilton Organization: Kent State University CS Lines: 68 In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>, <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: > I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, > but here goes: > > Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT > > MURDER MOST FOUL!! > > CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all > the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The > lies from ATF say ""holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear > gas pumped in"". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up. > ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that > the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit > napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. > > THIS IS MURDER! > > ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!! > > THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! > > I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see > it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was > still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left > alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. > > I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**! > > God help us all. > > > PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN! > > > W. K. Gorman - an American in tears. Flame on!! Is this guy serious???? If he would ever really pay attention to the news (oops I forgot that the media for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts are known, as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe). Any ways one of Koresh's DEVOTED followers that DID I REPEAT DID survive this ""GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE"". Besides there are nine survivors in the burn-unit of the local hospital and was reported that David was in one of the towers when the shit hit the fan. Besides, a majority of these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of, this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit (sp). Also someone should have told David and his followers that if they can't the heat then they should stay out of the kitchen!! (pun intended) Flame off "" Aaah Daniaalson yah wanna fight, fight me!!"" -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Matthew R. Hamilton | mhamilto@mcs.kent.edu | A.K.A | | CS/ Physics Major | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | (The Lawnmowerman) | | Kent State University | 1299h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | Look here for future advice.quotes.sayings.jibberish.philosohy | | | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: clf3678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.L. Freemesser) Subject: *** TurboGrafx-16 system for sale *** Distribution: na Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu For sale: NEC TurboGrafx-16 video game system. Package includes: * Base unit: with power supply, TV hookups, controller, and the games ""Keith Courage in Alpha Zones"" and ""Ordyne"". * One extra controller * TurboTap: let's you hook up as many as 5 controllers to the TG16. * All original packaging, manuals, etc. for the above items. * The games TV Sports Football, Alien Crush, Splatterhouse, and Takin' it to the Hoop. Current market price for the above system is approximately $130. Asking price is $75. System was purchased in January of this year, and has seen little use since then. If interested, contact me via one of the methods in my signature file! //===================================================================\\ || Chris Freemesser, RIT CpET (( Visit Rochester, New York: || ||""Where money is the #1 prioRITy"" )) Home of the world's largest || || Usenet: clf3678@ultb.rit.edu (( collection of potholes! || || GEnie: C.FREEMESSER )) || \\===================================================================// ";-1;0 "From: billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) Subject: Re: Radio Shack Battery of the Month Club Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 18 donrm@sr.hp.com (Don Montgomery) writes: >Radio Shack has canceled their ""Battery of the Month"" Club. Does >anyone know why? >They say they'll honor existing cards in customer hands, but no new >cards will be issued. I was told that this is an environmental based move. I was also told that there will be 'somthing' else to replace the battery club. Like maybe the 360K floppy club ;-). We'll see .... -- *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* * Bill Quinn billq@ms.uky.edu * *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* ";-1;0 "From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press. Madness. Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500342:000:6673 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 16:49:00 1993 Lines: 130 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press. Madness. /* Written 4:34 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ /* ---------- ""From Israeli press. Madness."" ---------- */ FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS. Paper: Zman Tel Aviv (Tel Aviv's time). Friday local Tel Aviv's paper, affiliated with Maariv. Date: 19 February 1993 Journalist: Guy Ehrlich Subject: Interview with soldiers who served in the Duvdevan (Cherry) units, which disguise themselves as Arabs and operate within the occupied territories. Excerpts from the article: ""A lot has been written about the units who disguise themselves as Arabs, things good and bad, some of the falsehoods. But the most important problem of those units has been hardly dealt with. It is that everyone who serves in the Cherry, after a time goes in one way or another insane"". A man who said this, who will here be called Danny (his full name is known to the editors) served in the Cherry. After his discharge from the army he works as delivery boy. His pal, who will here be called Dudu was also serving in the Cherry, and is now about to depart for a round-the-world tour. They both look no different from average Israeli youngsters freshly discharged from conscript service. But in their souls, one can notice something completely different....It was not easy for them to come out with disclosures about what happened to them. And they think that to most of their fellows from the Cherry it woundn't be easy either. Yet after they began to talk, it was nearly impossible to make them stop talking. The following article will contain all the horror stories recounted with an appalling openness. (...) A short time ago I was in command of a veteran team, in which some of the fellows applied for release from the Cherry. We called such soldiers H.I. 'Hit by the Intifada'. Under my command was a soldier who talked to himself non-stop, which is a common phenomenon in the Cherry. I sent him to a psychiatrist. But why I should talk about others when I myself feel quite insane ? On Fridays, when I come home, my parents know I cannot be talked to until I go to the beach, surf a little, calm down and return. The keys of my father's car must be ready for in advance, so that I can go there. I they dare talk to me before, or whenever I don't want them to talk to me, I just grab a chair and smash it instantly. I know it is my nerve: Smashing chairs all the time and then running away from home, to the car and to the beach. Only there I become normal.(...) (...) Another friday I was eating a lunch prepared by my mother. It was an omelette of sorts. She took the risk of sitting next to me and talking to me. I then told my mother about an event which was still fresh in my mind. I told her how I shot an Arab, and how exactly his wound looked like when I went to inspect it. She began to laugh hysterically. I wanted her to cry, and she dared laugh straight in my face instead ! So I told her how my pal had made a mincemeat of the two Arabs who were preparing the Molotov cocktails. He shot them down, hitting them beautifully, exactly as they deserved. One bullet had set a Molotov cocktail on fire, with the effect that the Arab was burning all over, just beautifully. I was delighted to see it. My pal fired three bullets, two at the Arab with the Molotov cocktail, and the third at his chum. It hit him straight in his ass. We both felt that we'd pulled off something. Next I told my mother how another pal of mine split open the guts in the belly of another Arab and how all of us ran toward that spot to take a look. I reached the spot first. And then that Arab, blood gushing forth from his body, spits at me. I yelled: 'Shut up' and he dared talk back to me in Hebrew! So I just laughed straight in his face. I am usually laughing when I stare at something convulsing right before my eyes. Then I told him: 'All right, wait a moment'. I left him in order to take a look at another wounded Arab. I asked a soldier if that Arab could be saved, if the bleeding from his artery could be stopped with the help of a stone of something else like that. I keep telling all this to my mother, with details, and she keeps laughing straight into my face. This infuriated me. I got very angry, because I felt I was becoming mad. So I stopped eating, seized the plate with he omelette and some trimmings still on, and at once threw it over her head. Only then she stopped laughing. At first she didn't know what to say. (...) But I must tell you of a still other madness which falls upon us frequently. I went with a friend to practice shooting on a field. A gull appeared right in the middle of the field. My friend shot it at once. Then we noticed four deer standing high up on the hill above us. My friend at once aimed at one of them and shot it. We enjoyed the sight of it falling down the rock. We shot down two deer more and went to take a look. When we climbed the rocks we saw a young deer, badly wounded by our bullet, but still trying to such some milk from its already dead mother. We carefully inspected two paths, covered by blood and chunks of torn flesh of the two deer we had hit. We were just delighted by that sight. We had hit'em so good ! Then we decided to kill the young deer too, so as spare it further suffering. I approached, took out my revolver and shot him in the head several times from a very short distance. When you shoot straight at the head you actually see the bullets sinking in. But my fifth bullet made its brains fall outside onto the ground, with the effect of splattering lots of blood straight on us. This made us feel cured of the spurt of our madness. Standing there soaked with blood, we felt we were like beasts of prey. We couldn't explain what had happened to us. We were almost in tears while walking down from that hill, and we felt the whole day very badly. (...) We always go back to places we carried out assignments in. This is why we can see them. When you see a guy you disabled, may be for the rest of his life, you feel you got power. You feel Godlike of sorts."" (...) Both Danny and Dudu contemplate at least at this moment studying the acting. Dudu is not willing to work in any security-linked occupation. Danny feels the exact opposite. 'Why shouldn't I take advantage of the skills I have mastered so well ? Why shouldn't I earn $3.000 for each chopped head I would deliver while being a mercenary in South Africa ? This kind of job suits me perfectly. I have no human emotions any more. If I get a reasonable salary I will have no problem to board a plane to Bosnia in order to fight there."" Transl. by Israel Shahak. ";15;1 "From: Sang-Yoon Oh Subject: Re: Jeep Grand vs. Toyota 4-Runner Organization: Junior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: >In article <1pq29p$29p@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM >writes: >> >>Any reason you are limited to the two mentioned? They aren't really at >>the same point along the SUV spectrum - not to mention price range. >>How about the Explorer, Trooper, Blazer, Montero, and if the budget >>allows, the Land Cruiser? > >Any advice on HOW to buy a Land Cruiser? My local Toyota dealer says they >get two a year, and if I want one I can just get on the waiting list. >Forget about a test drive or even kicking the tires. >And if they are that rare, I doubt there is much of a parts inventory on hand. Land Crusier is just simply nice with shit-load of power and room. Fully stocked, it cost ~$40,000. I think it is worth the money. Only problem is when you get into accident(it doesn't usually break down unless you forget to get a oil change for 30000 miles or something stupid like this), body parts and other parts are very hard to locate. Parts are over priced also. One of my friend had accident in past snow storm and he is still waiting for front bumper and passenger side fender. Well, if you test drive Land Cruiser, all other SUV look like toys. One of magazine writer called it ""Land Bruiser"". If you have $40,000 to spare for SUV, get Land Cruiser and forget Lange Rover. --Sang ";-1;0 "From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Seeking Moe Berg reference/info Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Distribution: na Lines: 29 In article lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance ""Squiddie"" Smith) writes: >In article <14APR93.19061416@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes: >>David Tate writes: >>>Also, in particular, a colleague of mine is looking for any information he >>>can find on Moe Berg, catcher/linguist/espion of WW2. Any references (or >>>anecdotes, for that matter) would be appreciated. >>Moe Berg, my hero! We were just talking about him on Monday at the >>Yankee game. Well, there's a book about him that's just been reissued: >>I think the title is _Moe Berg: Athlete, Scholar, Spy_, by Tom Sewell >>and two other people whose names I forget. Sewell wrote the chapter >>on Berg in Danny Peary's book _Cult Baseball Players_; this is a good >>source for some of the more famous anecdotes about Berg. Also excellent >>is the section on him in Bill Gilbert's book _They Also Served_, about >>baseball during WWII. I'm told Berg's spy activities are mentioned in >>the recent book _Heisenberg's War_. >His sister also ""wrote"" a book about Moe that she self-published. The >title is something like _My Brother, Morris Berg_. It's mainly some of >her memories and page after page of Xerox copies of pictures and letters >that Moe had saved. Copies are kinda hard to find, but the Smith Baseball >Library has one for those in Minneapolis... We have one here, at Berg's alma mater (class of 1923). It's kind of a sour thing; she disapproved of the job that Sewell et al had done. Roger ";14;1 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: Galileo, JPL INteresting question about Galileo. Galileo's HGA is stuck. The HGA was left closed, because galileo had a venus flyby. If the HGA were pointed att he sun, near venus, it would cook the foci elements. question: WHy couldn't Galileo's course manuevers have been designed such that the HGA did not ever do a sun point.? After all, it would normally be aimed at earth anyway? or would it be that an emergency situation i.e. spacecraft safing and seek might have caused an HGA sun point? pat ";-1;0 "From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: Islamic marriage? In-Reply-To: Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 44 >DATE: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 00:11:49 GMT >FROM: F. Karner > >In article <1993Apr2.103237.4627@Cadence.COM>, mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes: >> In article karner@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner) writes: >> > >> >Okay. So you want me to name names? There are obviously no official >> >records of these pseudo-marriages because they are performed for >> >convenience. What happens typically is that the woman is willing to move >> >in with her lover without any scruples or legal contracts to speak of. >> >The man is merely utilizing a loophole by entering into a temporary >> >religious ""marriage"" contract in order to have sex. Nobody complains, >> >nobody cares, nobody needs to know. >> > >> >Perhaps you should alert your imam. It could be that this practice is >> >far more widespread than you may think. Or maybe it takes 4 muslim men >> >to witness the penetration to decide if the practice exists! >> >-- >> > >> >> Again you astound me with the level of ignorance you display, Muslims >> are NOT allowed to enter temporary marriages, got that? There is >> no evidence for it it an outlawed practise so get your facts >> straight buddy. Give me references for it or just tell everyone you >> were lying. It is not a widespread as you may think (fantasise) in >> fact contrary to your fantasies it is not practised at all amongst >> Muslims. Did you miss my post on this topic with the quote from The Indonesian Handbook and Fred Rice's comments about temporary marriages? If so, I will be glad to repost them. Will you accept that it just may be a practice among some Muslims, if I do? Or will you continue to claim that we are all lying and that it is ""not practised at all amongst Muslims"". I don't think F. Karner has to tell everyone anything. Least of all that he is lying. Since you obviously know nothing about this practice, there is very little you can contribute to the discussion except to accuse everyone of lying. Perhaps it is your ignorance which is showing. Learn more about Islam. Learn more about Muslims. Open your eyes. Maybe you will also see some of the things the atheists see. ";-1;0 "From: mtrek@netcom.com (Chuck L. Peterson) Subject: 40MHZ Oscilloscope FOR SALE Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 11 I'm giving up hardware design and am selling my Oscilloscope: BK Precision Model 1541B 40 MHZ Dual-Trace Barely Used $450 firm (Fry's sells it for $589+tax) Prefer people in Silicon Valley, so I don't have to ship it. mtrek@netcom.com ";-1;0 "From: mike@drd.com (Mike.Rovak) Subject: Re: workaround for Citizen drivers Keywords: printer driver Citizen PN48 GSX-140 Organization: DRD Corporation Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr26.185033.12279@drd.com> mike@drd.com (Mike.Rovak) writes: >I have been experiencing several end-user problems with various commercial >software packages (WordPerfect 5.2/WIN, Publish It!/WIN 3.1) and printing >landscape mode on a Citizen PN48 (the little guy) or the Citizen GSX-140+. > >In a nutshell the problem is that I lose the first 0.625 inches of >information from my left margin, be it white space or TrueType font >output, and margins are not preserved on subsequent pages past the >first. > >WordPerfect had a workaround consisting of using the ""Default"" location >for the printers instead of ""Tractor"" or ""Manual"". They have also filed >this as a bug and are continuing to investigate it. > >MS Write, of course, has no problem with these printer drivers, proving that >Microsoft knows something the rest of us don't! Are you surprised? I'm >not. > >Publish It!/WIN is still investigating this problem, and while I was consider- >my options (rejecting the one about buying an $800 DTP package, for *surely* >they wouldn't have this problem, right?) I stumbled onto a global workaround. > >WORKAROUND >---------- >Go into the Windows 3.1 control panel, select printers, select your Citizen >printer driver, select SETUP, and select a custom size of 850 x 1132. Like >magic, all of your problems will go away. > >Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies! > >-- Mike Excuse me, that's 850 x 1163. -- Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. ======================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mike.rovak@drd.com ======================================================================== ";6;1 "From: mallen@wyvern.wyvern.com (Marc L. Allen) Subject: Re: 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, (Cyrix, AMD 486s not Intel clones) Organization: wyvern.com Distribution: na Lines: 10 >Beware, From what I understand neither the AMD or Cyrix 486s are clones of >the Intel 486. They are using the ""name"" 486 because they run as fast as a >Intel 486. They do not have exactly the same instuction set nor do they fit >into the same socket. Most are very fast 386s without coprocessors. AMD recent won the appeal against Intel to use their Microcode, so they should be putting out real 486 chips in the near future. Marc mallen@wyvern.wyvern.com ";-1;0 "From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: TDR plug-in Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 18 I have an HP 1815 TDR plug-in for an HP180 series scope or mainframe that I'm never going to use (no scope any more). If you're interested in it, please let me know. Price? Probably real cheap. This notice may have appeared once before. I posted, and it never showed up on our local server... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) ";-1;0 "From: ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science Lines: 18 In article bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes: > >I know that the mwm has an resource to specify if positions are to be used for >the border of a window or for the ""user"" window. Maybe other window managers >have similar options. >Another way to figure out the difference between the ""user"" window position >and the window manager decoration window position is to subtract their >positions. You just have to use XQueryTree and remember that the window manager >decorations window is the parent of your window. Unfortunately, you can only >figure out the decoration width and height after the window has been mapped >this way. > Another way would be to use GetGeometry to find out where you are relative to the frame, and TranslateCoordinates to find out where your window's upperleft corner really is. -- Ethan ";12;1 "From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Commercial Space News #22 X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 666 COMMERCIAL SPACE NEWS/SPACE TECHNOLOGY INVESTOR NUMBER 22 This is number twenty-two in an irregular series on commercial space activities. The commentaries included are my thoughts on these developments. Sigh... as usual, I've gotten behind in getting this column written. I can only plead the exigency of the current dynamics in the space biz. This column is put together at lunch hour and after the house quiets down at night, so data can quickly build up if there's a lot of other stuff going on. I've complied a lot of information and happenings since the last column, so I'm going to have to work to keep this one down to a readable length. Have fun! CONTENTS: 1- US COMMERCIAL SPACE SALES FLATTEN IN 1993 2- DELTA WINS TWO KEY LAUNCH CONTRACTS 3- COMMERCIAL REMOTE SENSING VENTURE GETS DOC ""GO-AHEAD"" 4- INVESTMENT FIRM CALLS GD'S SPACE BIZ ""STILL A GOOD INVESTMENT"" 5- ARIANE PREDICTS DIP IN LAUNCH DEMAND 6- NTSB INVESTIGATES PEGASUS LAUNCH OVER ABORTED ABORT 7- ANOTHER PEGASUS COMPETITOR IS ANNOUNCED 8- GEORGIA LAUNCH SITE DROPPED FROM PLANNING 9- SPAIN'S CAPRICORNIA LAUNCHER STILL PROCEEDING 10- PACASTRO SIGNS LAUNCH RESERVATION WITH SWEDISH SPACE CORP 11- CHINA AND TAIWAN JOINT SATELLITE VENTURE REPORTED 12- SOUTH KOREA ANNOUNCES NATIONAL MOVE INTO SPACE TECHNOLOGIES 13- SPACE TECHNOLOGY INDEXES THROUGH MARCH FINAL NOTES ARTICLES -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1- US COMMERCIAL SPACE SALES FLATTEN IN 1993 The US Department of Commerce projects US commercial space sales will remain flat in 1993, with current data showing only a 2 percent growth over 1992. As published in ""US Industrial Outlook 1993"" (which was released in January), revenues from the 1993 US space business are currently projected to be about $4,890 M. In contrast to previous years when US commercial space sales had shown double digits growth rates, this year's projected results are driven by the US satellite manufacturing industry, where sales are projected to drop from 12 satellites worth $1,300 M in 1992 to 7 satellites worth $ 670 M in 1993. The US Industrial Outlook also projects U.S. commercial launchers faces flat demand in coming year, and while predicting that 1993 revenues will increase 10 percent to $450 M, future sales will be ""adversely affected by the downward revision in Department of Defense launch plans."" Offsetting flat launch revenues and satellite deliveries, revenues for fixed and mobile satellite services are projected to increase to $1,900 M, primarily driven by increased revenues from broadcast and cable TV networks. Similarly, remote sensing products and sales are projected to increase to $250 M in 1993 (up 15%). US COMMERCIAL SPACE REVENUES 1989 1990 1991 1992(r) 1993(e) Commercial satellites 900 1,000 1,100 1,300 670 Satellite services 750 800 1,200 1,500 1,900 Fixed (700) (735)(1,115)(1,275) (1,520) Mobile (50) ( 65)( 85)( 225) ( 380) Satellite ground equip 790 860 1,350 1,400 1,560 Mobile equipment (40) (85) (280) (352) ??? Commercial launches 150 570 380 450 450 Remote sensing data and services 125 155 190 215 250 Private microgravity research lab -- -- -- -- 60 ===== ===== ====== ===== ===== TOTAL ANNUAL REVENUES 2,715 3,385 4,220 4,815 4,890 (r) = revised data for 1992 (e) = estimated data for 1993 [Commentary: This is the first look at how the US commercial space industry is expected to do in 1993. In general, not a bad report -- with most of the bad news concentrated in the satellite manufacturing area. There, changes of only a few satellites worth $100 M or so apiece can substantially influence the annual projection. If we look forward over several years, this market sector should retain strong sales as US firms have been very successful in regaining international market share in the satellite business. Furthermore, sales of satellite ground equipment should go up in the next revision of this data, expected to be released about mid- year. Data on mobile satellite ground equipment sales (including such items as GPS receivers and portable satellite terminals) appears to be missing from the January data set. DoC usually publishes a listing of ""Space Business Indicators"" in mid-year, and the next revision of commercial space revenues should be released then. I expect the revised revenues should easily top $5,000 M, if the mobile satellite ground equipment are added back into the numbers, and the year should show about a 10% overall market growth. Looking beyond this year's data, future markets look quite promising. The DoC projects satellite service revenues could top $3,000 M by 1995 if new mobile satellite services and direct broadcasting are implemented as planned, and that mobile satellite station sales are expected to continue to growth at 15-20 % per year through the mid 1990's. My numbers are somewhat more pessimistic for near-term market growth, but I agree the trend should be for substantial growth in US commercial space sales over at least the next 5-10 years. (My pessimism is due to more conservative assumptions on market capture and growth in LEO communications and satellite direct broadcasting services. I don't believe all of the current players in the yet-to-be-born LEO communications satellite market and in the yet-to-be-proven direct broadcasting market will be financial successes, nor that sales growth will be as explosive as currently projected.) It should also be noted this year's DoC data is the first release to show revenues from privately funded microgravity research facilities. The $60 M shown in the Janurary data is primarily for the Spacehab module, planned for launch in April on the Space Shuttle, but also hidden in these numbers are the projected first sales from the COMET orbital launch and recovery experiment module.] 2- DELTA WINS TWO KEY LAUNCH CONTRACTS McDonnell Douglas Corporation, which builds and markets the Delta launch vehicle has won two important launch contracts. Motorola Inc. announced in mid February that it had selected the Delta to launch most of the satellites in the 66-satellite Iridium LEO communications constellation, and in mid April, McDonnell Douglas was awarded the USAF Medium Launch Vehicle III contract. The launch services contract with Motorola for the Iridium constellation launch is for at launch of least 45 Iridium satellites. Another 21 satellites have been contracted to be launched by Khrunichev Enterprise in Russian on 3 Proton vehicle launches. These 45 satellites planned for the Delta will be launched 5 at a time, providing for at least 9 launches. Additional satellites in the Iridium constellation, such as a planned on-orbit spares, may also be launched on Delta. Although details of the launch services contract were reported to be negotiation, and not yet final. The USAF MLV contract also went to MDC, bidding a variant of their Delta II launcher. This contract is only initially worth $7.5 million, but establishes a set of launch options for up to 36 launches, encompassing launches from 1996 through 2002. These launches will deploy the next generation of the USAF's Global Positioning System Block IIR navigation satellites, plus other programs. First option for to meet the USAF launch options is expected to be exercised this year, after which the USAF is expected to request launches of up to 6 Deltas per year for at least 6 years. Under this contract the USAF can also request ""launch on demand"" services from MDC for the 1996-2002 time period, with a launch to occur within 40 days of the request. [Commentary: If these two contracts are fulfilled, they should provide an excellent business base for MDC's Delta launch program through the turn of the century. Combined, these two contracts have a potential for about 45 launches, worth about $2,200 M to MDC, and sustaining a core business base of $300-400 M/year. Other contracts for international and commercial payloads, as well as for NASA Medium ELV-class payloads, will add to this business base -- keeping MDC as a viable commerical launch company. However, it should be noted there are risk elements in these contracts. Motorola's Iridium LEO communications constellation has not yet received a US Federal Communications Commission license for operation in the U.S., nor has Motorola lined up all the financing and financial partners for the Iridium venture. Without these approvals or financial backing there will be no Iridium launches. But, hopefully, these uncertainties will be settled this year. Similarly, the USAF MLV III program has been the target of several Congressional actions which have slowed the production of the GPS Block IIR satellites and deleted the funding for the MLV III program in favor of the USAF NLS/""Spacelifter"" program. At this time, while it appears the MLV III contract will be executed, future funding for the MLV III and other USAF commercial launch contracts is being reconsidered as part of national space launch strategy reviews. Some opinions expressed from within the Administration and Congress propose cancellation of all ""ELV upgrade"" programs (including the MLV programs) in favor of the proposed ""Spacelifter"" program. Such opinions may have some weight in this year's budget deliberations, particularly as DoD funds will be more difficult to find in the shrinking US Defense budget.] 3- COMMERCIAL REMOTE SENSING VENTURE GETS DOC ""GO-AHEAD"" The first commercial license to operate a remote sensing satellite was approved in early February by the US Department of Commerce's Office of Space Commerce. A license was granted to WorldView Imaging Corporation of Oakland, California to build and operate a pair of LEO imaging satellites to provide multi-spectral images of the Earth. [Commentary: There has been little data released on this venture by WorldView and the DoC, other than the announcement of the operating and construction license. This was reported to be at the request of WorldView. Most industry speculation identifies this new venture as a ""Star Wars"" spinoff, using SDI-type technology to provide digital Earth sensing data, and heavily integrated into digital GIS databases for remote sensing/GIS users. Most probable customers for this service include exploration geologists, agricultural planners, and urban planners. It is noteworthy this is the first commercial venture under the 1992 Land Remote Sensing Policy Act. The Act, as passed last November, provides that remote sensing data gathered from private remote sensing craft may be sold to users at differing prices. Prior to this act, remote sensing data from all satellites had to be sold to all users at the same prices, and private remote sensing ventures would have had to sell at the government-set Landsat data prices. There are rumors of several other potential commercial remote sensing ventures working their way through the system at different stages of development. I think the large Landsat and SPOT satellite systems will provide the majority of the satellite remote sensing data market for the next decade or so. In contrast to these large, government-sponsored remote sensing systems, smaller market ventures such as WorldView and others can exploit market niches and use innovative technology, and I believe, can find profitability on the margin. I predict there may be some very interesting ventures appearing in the next year or so.] 4- INVESTMENT FIRM CALLS GD'S SPACE BIZ ""STILL A GOOD INVESTMENT"" Wall Street investment house Morgan Stanley thinks General Dynamic's Space Systems Division could still be a moneymaker, despite having failed in the last 3 Atlas launches. In a recent analyst's report Morgan Stanley said ""We are more than ever convinced that if the company can return the Atlas to its historical 95%-plus success rate, this will become a highly profitable, cash- generating unit."" Based upon discussions with GD's corporate management, Morgan Stanley projects that if the Atlas problems are cleared up the unit could see $70 M in earnings per year by 1995 and $100 M per year by 2000. This is based upon GD's projection of capturing about 10 Atlas launches per year on the world market. [Commentary: Three failures in a row of their launch system has hurt General Dynamic's Space Systems Division. Since GD has restructured to only keep a very few profitable core businesses, many market pundits have been speculating GD's space business might be next to be sold. The Morgan Stanley report indicates GD's Space Systems Division has some potential as a moneymaker, despite current problems -- if they can get their act together. Sales are projected to be about $560 M in 1993, which will probably generate a loss of about $25 M. If GD can capture their projected share of the space launch market, and if they have managed to clean up the reliability of their Atlas launchers, then they could generate healthy profits from those sales. But until they demonstrate the Atlas Centaur program is back on track, this division will continue to show substantial losses. In response to the sell-off rumors, in my opinion, this operation is not a really good candidate for takeover and quick profitability. To do such a takeover, the current set corporate and divisional management would be replaced with another set from outside the firm. In GD SSD's case, to get the division back on track, the management team will have to concentrate hard on the technical problems with the Atlas Centaur, as well as in selling Atlas services. This would indicate only another firm with experience in rocket launch operations could find such talent in-house, and be able to convince customers to buy their launch services. Optimally, the firm would have substantial liquid rocket experience, and experience in marketing space technology internationally as well. Candidates for this might be TRW, Rockwell, Lockheed, and Martin, and possibly McDonnell Douglas and Boeing. But most of those firms have cash flow problems (MDC), have had a substantial business contraction (Boeing and MDC), are involved with other launch firms (Lockheed), or have taken on substantial debt (Martin). And coming up with the $700-1500 M purchase price for the division is a big chunk of change for any company.] 5 - ARIANE PREDICTS DIP IN LAUNCH DEMAND Arianespace, the operator of the Ariane launch system, is projecting a dip in launch demand in the late 1990's. In early February, Arianespace released their annual market survey, which detailed their projection of the space transportation market for the next decade. Over short run, Arianespace expects to retain their dominant position and sustain a majority share of the launch market. Of 54 international and commercial launches planned through 1995, Ariane holds contracts for 31, General Dynamics' Atlas vehicle holds 14 contracts, McDonnell Douglas' Delta holds 7, and Great Wall's Long March vehicle holds 2 launch contracts. Three-quarters of future launch contracts for which Ariane can compete are projected to come from communications satellites with the remaining 25% split between weather, Earth observation, and scientific satellites. Most of the future telecommunications demand growth is predicted to come from the Asia/Pacific region. Arianespace expects the current market consolidation of individual satellite operators into regional or national groups will continue, with these groups investing in heavier satellites with larger communications payloads carrying more transponders. Arianespace predicts the average mass of telecommunications satellites should increase by 20 % over today's average level, to about 3000 kg in GEO. Demand for commercial launch services is expected to remain strong over the next three years, but in the second half of the decade, Arianespace predicts demand will decrease. Arianespace bases this prediction upon a matching of satellite transponder demand and supply, particularly as new data compression techniques appear to could double or triple transponder capacity using existing or near-term transponders. One of the significant possible changes in the market was identified as the arrival of new launch vehicles, including Russian launch systems. But Arianespace predicts that in the long term, investors purchasing launch services are looking for the best trade off between launch service quality and price, and that Russian and other new launch services will have to prove out their capabilities and service quality, and their market penetration will be minimal. [Commentary: Ariane releases their market surveys annually, and I reported on their prior market survey in a past issue of CSN/STI. Comparing the two surveys, there aren't outstanding differences in the numbers. The most notable change is the consideration of new data compression techniques, reducing the demand for new physical transponders on orbit. I note that in contrast to some predictions, demand for space- based communications transponders appears to be remain strong. While fiber optic lines are making substantial inroads into the established point-to-point telecommunications markets, growing demand for telecommunications services world wide and for point-to- multipoint broadcast services have prevented a decrease in space transponder demand. Fiberoptic cables provide a higher capability service, but only from established point A to established point B. To establish a fiberoptic link it is necessary to install cable between the points, and while there are improved network solutions, installing a large network of distributed fiberoptic links can cost millions or billions of dollars. For broadcast services where there is not an existing ground network structure, satellites still offer the most cost effective solution. And if new services are required into a new region, it is cheaper to install a small satellite link costing only a few tens of thousands of dollars and tie into the existing global satellite network. This allows rapid growth of new satellite services, and has kept demand high. The replacement market for fiberoptics is growing as well, since as demand grows between the points serviced, it becomes cost effective to later install a fiberoptic link to handle the increase in traffic. Since the telecommunications and data transfer markets are still growing rapidly, satellite market projections remain rosy. But satellites are also getting longer orbital lifetimes. Current generation satellites are now getting guarantees of at 15 years of on-orbit service or more, in contrast to 10 years of service from last generation's satellites. This has cut back some of the launch demand, as satellite owners are rescheduling replacement satellite launches over longer intervals. And as last note; Arianespace didn't flag it this year, but it looks like the space transportation market will be rather over- supplied by existing launch systems in the near term. The annual commercial launch demand is for about 15-20 medium sized satellites per year. From the supply side, Ariane is capable of launching up to about a dozen medium sized satellites a year, Delta is capable of about 9-12 per year, Atlas is capable of 6-12, Long March 4-8, Japan's H-Vehicle 2-4, Russia's Proton capable of 8, and other systems such as Zenit and Soyuz another 10-20 medium launches per year. That's a lot of capability for a small market. We can only expect the competition to intensify for commercial launches.] 6- NTSB INVESTIGATES PEGASUS LAUNCH OVER ABORTED ABORT The 9 Feb Pegasus launch by Orbital Sciences Corporation has spawned an investigation over an apparent violation of range safety rules. A valid abort order from a NASA range safety officer to halt the mission was overridden and the Pegasus was launched in violation of range safety rules. In the last few minutes of the Pegasus launch countdown, one of two abort command receivers aboard the Pegasus failed. Such a failure typically scrubs a launch,and a NASA range safety officer at Wallops Island, VA issued a mission abort order about a minute before the scheduled Pegasus launch. Somehow this command was overridden by the OSC launch team or the message was lost in the communications channels, and the Pegasus was launched despite the valid abort call. Fortunately, the Pegasus functioned as expected, and the abort command receiver was not needed. But this incident did spark an investigation since a valid abort order was given under agreed-to launch constraint rules, and was not obeyed. Leading the investigation is the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) with support from NASA, OSC, and the Air Force. This investigation marks the first time NTSB has taken the lead on an incident involving a space launch. According to the NTSB, their investigation will take about 6 months, and is primarily looking at lines of authority, communications links and safety procedures used in the launch. [Commentary: This is the first time that the NTSB has led an investigation into a space launch. Their leadership was requested by the Department of Commerce's Office of Commercial Space Transportation, who had licensed the commercial launch. At the time of writing this column, some of the initial investigations have been concluded, and some of the results are starting to leak out into the trade press. Apparently, 3 or four different communications channels were in use during the test. After the abort destruct receiver stopped responding, the NASA test director and range controller in the Mission Control room at Wallops Island gave abort orders about a minute before the launch. According to the mission rules, this should have stopped the launch. Somehow, the OSC test conductor ordered the abort reversed, and the NASA communicator on the net relayed that order to the B-52 carrying the Pegasus at about 22 seconds before launch. Differing explainations of exactly how this happened are proposed -- with the best set being that clear lines of communications and clear definition of the responsibilities of the mission control team, and understanding of the mission rules were not established before the launch. As we see more and more commercial launches, more of these procedural issues are going to crop up and will have to be resolved. This case is interesting because it is the first time the NTSB has been called in to investigate a commercial launch problem (as they do with commercial aircraft problems). I think this problem will turn out to be primarily problems with procedures and communications, and will be cleared up with issuance of guidelines on how launch communications should be set up and how specific lines of authority should be delineated.] 7- ANOTHER PEGASUS COMPETITOR IS ANNOUNCED Tsniimach Enterprise in Russia announced it is marketing a new small space launch system, based upon converted ICBM components. Two versions of the launcher are being marketed: the ""Aerokosmos"" winged vehicle launched like the OSC Pegasus, and the ""Severkosmos"", launched from a mobile ground transporter. The Aerokosmos is projected to deliver 900 kg to a 200 km circular orbit or 580 kg to an 800 km circular orbit, and the Severkosmos to be capable of 430 kg to 200 km orbits and 225 kg to 800 km. Also proposed to be used with these launch systems is a LEO data relay system called 'Sineva'. Tsniimach Enterprise is described as a ex-military establishment, focusing on aerodynamics and thermal protection of spacecraft and which has participated in the development of the Buran shuttle system, They are located near the NPO Energia facility in Kaliningrad, outside of Moscow. [Commentary: There's very little released information on this new venture. My suspicion is it is another Russian enterprise looking for hard currency and trying to capitalize upon their in-house knowledge of ex-Soviet launch systems. It adds to the list of numerous commercial space startups announced from the ex-Soviet Union. This one's a little different in that they are offering variants of ex-Soviet ICBMs, but I can't identify any key customers being targeted or substantial financial backing.] 8- GEORGIA LAUNCH SITE DROPPED FROM PLANNING In late January, Georgia Tech Research Institute released the results of a preliminary study on the feasibility of a commercial rocket launching site in Camden County, Georgia at the old Kingsland Missile Test Launching Site on the Atlantic coast. The preliminary study recommended the site not be pursued as a commercial launch site, stating reopening the site was not feasible due to projected low investment returns, plus environmental and other geographic considerations. However, the report did say the site might be ideal for other aerospace uses, and recommended other potential uses. [Commentary: This should put the nails in the coffin of the Kingsland Commercial Launch Site. While other sites are still proceeding with commercial launch site development plans, Kingsland found without a key customer to act as anchor tenant, and if substantial infrastructure had to be put in, then the expected returns were too low to justify the cost of development. This might point out some key discriminators in judging the feasibility of a commercial launch site. These include: - Is there an identified key customer to provide core usage sufficient to recover setup costs? - Is there a market advantage of using the site? - Can existing infrastructure be used or modified at the site? - Can financing be found at low enough cost to support the investment? Other commercial launch site ventures -- including those at Woomera, Poker Flat, Cape York, White Sands, Alabama Off-Shore Platform, Hawaii, and Vandenberg have to also be judged against these criteria. In my opinion, some of these ventures are flying on hope and speculation, and not on sound financial grounds.] 9- SPAIN'S CAPRICORNIA LAUNCHER STILL PROCEEDING In one of his last official acts, former President Bush authorized space technology transfer for several joint space ventures between US and other firms. One of these was a proposed use of US technology by Spain to build a small booster. With that regulatory impediment removed, the 3-stage Capricornia launch vehicle will start development later this year, planning for a first launch in the 1995/96 time period. The Capricornia is described as a small 3-stage all solid booster designed to put 250-500 Kg into LEO. Several launch sites are being examined for the system, including 2 on the Iberian peninsula and 1 on the Canary Islands. Originated by INTA in Spain, the project reports it has $ 30 M in development funding, and will use technology from Argentina's Condor launch vehicle as well as from the US. [Commentary: Several firms have identified a market opportunity in providing a small launcher for the European market. Small payloads from European firms or organizations currently use either Ariane piggyback launches or the US/Italian Scout launcher. However, Ariane piggyback opportunities are limited, and the Scout program is being phased out (accompanied by some disarray in the Italian government and space industry regarding any follow-on system). This has left an apparent niche for a new European small launch system. Surprisingly enough, ESA has not supported development of such a system within the current space funding structure. Studies have been performed by British Aerospace, Aerospatiale, Deutsche Aerospace, and Italian organizations, but with the exception of the Swedish/PacAstro system (reported below), I have not been able to find any other European development work with even a rumor of funding for hardware. Also of interest is the linking of the Capricornia to the Argentinian Condor launcher. There have been some interesting rumors surfacing out of Argentina over the past year about a space launcher/IRBM program funded under the military junta which ruled the country in the 1970's and early 1980's. What is known is in Feb 1992, the Argentinian Air Force formally transferred control of the Condor 2 missile program to the new civilian Argentinian national space agency (Comison Nacional de Atividades Espaciales - CNAE). The Condor 2 program was described as originating in 1983, expanding upon the smaller Condor 1 rocket program in collaboration with Egypt and with support of German firms. The Condor 2 was also reportedly funded indirectly by Iraq in the mid-1980's. Fairly large solid rocket motors were built and tested, but Argentinan development of a suitable guidance package lagged that of the propulsion system. It should be noted CNAE is planning to launch its first scientific satellite in late 1994. The US$ 9 M, 181 Kg, SAC-B satellite will study the Earth's upper atmosphere and includes cooperative experiments from Italy and the US. No launch vehicle has yet been selected, but OSC's Pegasus and the Russian Burlak Air launched rocket are reported to be strong contenders for this contract.] 10- PACASTRO SIGNS LAUNCH RESERVATION WITH SWEDISH SPACE CORP PacAstro, a small launch firm in Herndon, Virginia announced in late February it had received a $6 M launch reservation contract from the Swedish Space Corp to launch a satellite on PacAstro's PA-2 launch vehicle. This will be performed as part of the Polar Satellite Service (PSS), a joint Norwegian Space Center/ Swedish Space Corp. program to upgrade the Andoya Rocket Range in Norway and offering small satellite launches into the polar regions. According to PacAstro, PSS is also performing an $8 M upgrade of the Andoya launch facilities, including a new integration facility and a fully- enclosed vertical assembly building for small launch vehicles like the PacAstro PA-2. PacAstro has been chosen as ""the main alternative rocket supplier"" for the small satellite launch service to be offered by PSS from Andoya. The date of the launch of the Swedish satellite was not specified. [Commentary: PacAstro has been trying to line up customers and funding for their launch vehicle for some time now. The PA-2 is a small, two stage rocket fueled by RP-1 and Liquid Oxygen. From PacAstro's literature, the engines designed for the PA-series rockets are built of ""off the shelf"" components based upon the Lunar MOdule Descent Engines built by TRW, and are capable of putting a 225 Kg satellite into a 750 km circular polar orbit. PacAstro is trying to arrange construction financing for its first three PA-2 vehicles, with a first launch planned for 1995, and 2 orbital launches planned for 1996. My records show PacAstro hired TRW to provide marketing support and systems design, with primary engineering to be done by AeroAstro, a small satellite builder closely associated with PacAstro (headquartered in the same building). The Swedish Space Corporation would supply engineering, launch operations, vehicle subsystems, and marketing support. Sumitomo Corp. of Tokyo, is a first round investor and sits on the board of directors. PacAstro has gotten a first round financial package of at least $550 K (Some sources place this of high as $1 M), but has been searching for about a year for the additional $20-30 M needed to design, build and launch their first set of vehicles. The launch reservation from SSC can possibly be used to help bring some investors on board, but by my estimate, they will need much more than the single $6 M sale to put their venture into real hardware.] 11- CHINA AND TAIWAN JOINT SATELLITE VENTURE REPORTED In early March, it was reported a joint satellite communications venture between a Taiwanese and mainland Chinese was in the works. As reported in the Taipei press, China Development Corp. (CDC), headquartered in Taiwam and with links to the ruling Nationalist Party, is planning to set up a joint venture in Hong Kong with China Great Wall Industry Corp. with the objective of launching a regional communications satellite. CDC would cover about 10% of the satellite system cost (US $10 M) in exchange for rights to 10% of the satellite's communications channels. [Commentary: This announcement came close on the heels of the release of Taiwanese plans for space development (released in mid January). In those plans, the National Space Program Office of Taiwan will launch 3 satellites, starting with ROCSAT-1, a 400 Kg scientific spacecraft, planned for launch in 1997. Two additional satellites are planned, both communications satellites. TRW has been helping Taiwan plan this program, budgeted at T$13.6 B (US $530 M) through 2006. I haven't been able to establish any relationship between this venture and those of the NSPOT, but there might be a connection. While Taiwan has the financing to pursue several ventures, the current Taiwanese telecommunications market might not support two separate sastellite ventures. The reported name for the Tiawanese/Chinese system is ""Asiasat- 2"", but I don't thinks this has any relationship with the existing Hong Kong-based ""Asiasat"" program involving Chinese, Hong Kong, and other Asian investors, other than using it as an organizational model. There are some obvious advantages to pursuing such a joing venture -- it could provide excellent first-hand experience to Taiwan for a very low cost, which then can be used in later satellite ventures. But there are internal political issues between Taiwanese and Chinese ventures, but putting any joint venture through a Hong Kong intermediary corporation might allow it to proceed. In any case, the East Asian satellite market is lighting up with substantially growth projected in space services and revenues. This is just another indicator to add to the list.] 12- SOUTH KOREA ANNOUNCES NATIONAL MOVE INTO SPACE TECHNOLOGIES South Korea's Trade, Industry and Resources Ministry recently announced plans to invest US$22 B in research and development and another US$17 B into manufacturing and research facilities for advanced aerospace technologies. Space technologies have been specifically targeted as part of this program, beginning with manufacture and launch of an advanced multi-purpose satellite by 1997. The objective of this investment is to raise South Korea's aerospace technology to the level of the world's top 10 countries by 2000. [Commentary: South Korea has been quietly working to develop its national aerospace industry, specifically including space activities. I'm noting this as a flag that potential new players are coming into the commercial space market. As part of their national effort, 2 national telecommunications satellites for Korea Telecom will be launched in April and Oct 1995 on Delta. Designated Koreasat 1 and 2, the platforms will provide television and telephone service throughout the Korean Peninsula, southwestern Japan and portions of China bordering North Korea. South Korea launched its first small satellite piggyback on Ariane in Aug 1992, called Uribyol-1 (Our Star) and costing about US $8.8 M. Uribyol-2 is planned for piggyback launch in October of this year, again on Ariane, and will be entirely ""made in Korea."" Uribyol-3, projected for a 1995 launch, will be an environment- monitoring micro-satellite. This satellite may be the precursor to a series of small Earth observation satellites, The KEOS (Korean Earth Observation System) project, which has been submitted for approval to the South Korean government, would use two or three 300-kg spacecraft equipped with optical and microwave sensors. South Korean press reports claim there is also a parallel military effort to establish the capabilities for building and launching small military satellites by 2001. Supposedly a government panel had been established to oversee such an effort, funded at US $ 500 M between 1993 and 2001, in anticipation of an expected pullout of U.S. intelligence-gathering systems from the Korean peninsula. In conjunction with all of these reported efforts, South Korean is also pursuing production work either as off-sets to existing aerospace technology contracts (for example, McDonnell Douglas is offsetting production of some Delta parts to South Korean firms as part of the Koreasat launch contracts), or for production of consumer space items (among other products, South Korea exports satellite receiver television setups to Japan, and Samsung has announced teaming for production of OSC's Orbcomm user terminals.). This looks like a very aggressive push into space technologies. Considering that East Asia is currently the fastest growing sector for commercial space services (primarily for telecommunications), a South Korean push into space technologies may change the composition of commercial space market there over the next decade.] 13- SPACE TECHNOLOGY INDEXES THROUGH MARCH As announced in the last CSN/STI, each issue will give the results of stock indexes and portfolios regarding space stocks and investments. The table below summarizes results to the end of March. The Space Technology Index did quite a bit better than the market as a whole, as represented by the S&P 500 index. Since 90+% of the values included in the index are US firms, this represents a general increase in the market value of space-related firms. The increase in the first quarter is more than in all of 1992 -- which is a very promising sign, although future months may reverse this trend. The Commercial Space Technology Index has also done quite well, but the Pure Play portfolio -- consisting of stocks of firms which are pure plays in space technologies -- has also surpassed its results in all of 1993. We'll keep an eye on these .... INDEX RESULTS THROUGH MARCH Beginning Beginning 1 Jan 93 to 1992 1993 31 Mar 1993 ------- -------- -------- S&P 500 416 436 (+4.7%) 452 (+3.7%) Space Tech Index 267 304 (+13.6%) 373 (+22.7%) Comm'l Space Tech Index 167 194 (+16.3%) 222 (+14.2%) Space Tech Pure Plays 147 169 (+15.4%) 197 (+16.2%) FINAL NOTES - What? This column's already full? And I still have bunches of commercial space developments to report on. As I said at the start of this, column there's been a lot of interesting happenings - but I'll have to put them into the next issue. Looking ahead, I've got several articles in the works on new happenings with Iridium and the LEO communications satellite market, more news on international launchers appearing (and disappearing) on the market, new international commercial space ventures, and other interesting developments. And as always, I hope you folks find this stuff useful and interesting -- Any and all comments are welcome. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor ""Felicitas multos habet amicos"" P.O. Box 2452 Seal Beach, CA 90740-1452 ";2;1 "From: rlm@helen.surfcty.com (Robert L. McMillin) Subject: Is it just me, or is this newsgroup dead? Organization: Surf City Software/TBFW Project Lines: 8 I've gotten very few posts on this group in the last couple days. (I recently added it to my feed list.) Is it just me, or is this group near death? -- Robert L. McMillin | Surf City Software | rlm@helen.surfcty.com | Dude! #include ";12;1 "From: chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) Subject: Re: CNN for sale Organization: University of Maryland, Department of Electrical Engineering Lines: 11 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: bree.eng.umd.edu In article kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) writes: >If anyone is keeping a list of the potential contributors, >you can put me down for $1000.00 under the conditions above Seems to me folks, that if you are so interested in acquiring CNN, just buy your $1000 worth of stock today. It's being traded everyday. After you own your piece, we can work on the proxy votes later. It's probably even a good investment. Chuck Harris - WA3UQV chuck@eng.umd.edu ";-1;0 "From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) Subject: Economics X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 14 >If all the ecomomists in the world were laid end to end . . . >Punchline #1: they would all point in different directions. >Punchline #2: they wouldn't reach a conclusion. Punchline #3: it would be a good idea just to leave them there. -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) Subject: Re: BaseballIsDead Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr8.195853.10650@midway.uchicago.edu> as16@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >My question to you all is why does the media seem to embrace the theme of the >death of baseball so strongly? I have seen articles of a similar vein in >the Chicago Tribune and in sports editorials on tv. Maybe because baseball is the only business where those who are responsible for the fiscal aspects of the game preach gloom and doom. These allegedly intelligent people seem to predict bad times, losing money, bankruptcies at an alarming rate, and there's going to be an increased degradation of the product they produce. Could you imagine IBM, with all their problems, promoting themselves the way Major League Baseball does? Their stock would plummet to unthinkable depths (not that they are too far from it now :-). What would happen at GM? Where would GM be if they admitted to cutting corners and producing an inferior product because of alleged labor problems? I think it shows a lack of confidence for the people who run the game. >Anyway, it just frustrates me when the media says such things, because it >inevitably leads to owners trying quick fixes like increasing play-offs to >satisfy television or trying interleague play to drum up interest. Forget it. Word has it three divisions with a wild card is just about a done deal. It has to be decided soon since negotiations with the networks also have to begin soon. -- scott barman | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell): scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com < adm@neuro.duke.edu (Alan Magid) writes: >Disclaimer: I speak only for myself. So just what was it you wanted to say? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) Subject: Re: Twit Bicyclists (was RE: Oh JOY!) Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr2.045903.6066@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes: >Yo, ASSHOLES. I hope you are all just kidding >because it's exactly that kind of attidue that gets >many a MOTORcyclist killed: ""Look at the leather >clad poseurs! Watch how they swirve and >swear as I pretend that they don't exist while >I change lanes."" > >If you really find it necesary to wreck others >enjoyment of the road to boost your ego, then >it is truely you who are the poseur. > >--aaron Disgruntled Volvo drivers. What are they rebelling against? ================================================================================ Steatopygias's 'R' Us. doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot. Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more. ================================================================================ ";-1;0 "From: Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si Subject: Re: Cryptology in the world Reply-To: Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si Organization: J. Stefan Institute, Lj, Slovenia Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr21.031524.11080@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus) writes: > What is the status of cruptology for private citizens throughout the > world? or, more clearly, is there a listing of countries and their > policies on citizens encrypting electronic data? > > I'm curious how the Europeans handle this, for instance. > -- Good question. I also wanted to find out and I did a while ago. In our former communist times such activity (i.e. sending crypto emails) would be prevented sooner ot later, law or no law. But now there is no law against it. So we are free to use it. We now have an EC conformant law for protection and registration of personal files. You must remember that the situation in small countries is vastly different from the big ones. -- Borut B. Lavrencic, D.Sc. | X.400 :C=si;A=mail;P=ac;O=ijs;S=lavrencic J. Stefan Institute | Internet:Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si University of Ljubljana, | Phone :+ 386 1 159 199 SI-61111 Ljubljana, Slovenia | PGP Public Key available on request DOLGO SMOIS KALIS OVRAZ NIKEI NJIHK OCNOO DKRIL IVSEB IPIKA ";-1;0 "From: uschelp3@idbsu.edu (Mike Madson) Subject: Tires For Sale Summary: The last one was a test. Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: 132.178.16.65 Organization: bsu I have a set of four 235-60-R14 Big O tires that I had on my 1988 Thunder Bird. We bought them and then traided the car in. They would not give me anything for them so I had them taken off. We drove about 2,000 miles on them. They are 40,000 mile tires. They are sporty looking low-profile, and take corners realy well. If you are interested please contact me at (208)384- 9236 OR DUSMADSO@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU I am in IDAHO. USA ";-1;0 "From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Playoff Pool (IMPORTANT) Organization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard Lines: 15 I got back from my trip to discover that my email spool file got blown away. I am missing all the playoff pool entries sent between April 5 and April 17. It looks like about 200 entries got lost. *Sigh*. Therefore, I would like to ask each person that sent me a team to resend it ASAP. I am relying on your honesty to not make changes after the deadline today. Thanks in advance, and I apologize for the problem. -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Fungus ""epidemic"" in CA? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Distribution: na Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 19 >In article steward@cup.portal.com (John Joseph Deltuvia) writes: > >>There was a story a few weeks ago on a network news show about some sort >>of fungus which supposedly attacks the bone structure and is somewhat >>widespread in California. Anybody hear anything about this one? > The only fungus I know of from California is Coccidiomycosis. I hadn't heard that it attacked bone. It attacks lung and if you are especially unlucky, the central nervous system. Nothing new about it. It's been around for years. THey call it ""valley fever"", since it is found in the inland valleys, not on the coast. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";4;1 "From: garrett@Ingres.COM Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: My $.02 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Keywords: Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division Lines: 59 In article <1993Apr16.010908.22897@eecs.nwu.edu>, ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland) writes... >In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >>In article <1993Apr15.013651.11353@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >>>steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >[...] >>It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any >>reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. > >You seem to be saying that a LIMITED government will provide MORE >opportunities for private interests to use it to pursue their own >agendas, and asking libertarians to prove that this will NOT happen. >While I can't offer such a proof, it seems pretty damn plausible that >if the government does not regulate a particular area, it cannot become >a tool of private interests to pursue their own agendas in that area. >I rather suspect that it's the sort of government we have NOW that is >more likely to become such a tool, and that it IS such a tool in many >instances. > Pardon me for interrupting, but why doesn't anyone ever bring up other possibilities besides more government, less government, or no government and stop there? It seems to me that the problems with society go MUCH deeper than government. Democracies seem to reflective of the majority of society, both the good and the bad. If you take away the government, you still have the structural flaws in society, except this time, with no restraints. Yes? No? Why doesn't anybody ever discuss communal society, like a kibbutz? I never studied it on depth, but from what I've heard, the kibbutz in Isreal was very successful. It is also very close to what Aristotle and Socrates believed was the best. Sorry to detract from the discussion. >>Just >>as Marxism ""fails"" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and >>the state is to ""wither away,"" libertarians frequently fail to show how >>weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human >>condition. > >I suspect that this is because ""improvement in the human condition"" as >you define it is not the primary goal of libertarianism, and would not >be the primary goal of a libertarian government. My impression of >libertarianism is that its primary goal is the elimination of >government coercion except in a very limited cases. But what good is change if there is no tracable improvement in the human condition? Who would ever support the change if you tell them it won't improve their lives? I know that there are, and will be, libertarians who will jump in now and say that it WILL improve our lives. I can deal with that. All I'm saying is that improving the human condition must be the PRIMARY goal of any organization. >Ian Sutherland >ian@eecs.nwu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Who said anything about panicking?"" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson ""This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com settled into the situation and found my bearings. THEN I'll start panicking!"" - Douglas Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";18;1 "From: ehgasm2@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Simon Marshall) Subject: How do I compensate for photographic viewpoint and distortion? Reply-To: S.Marshall@dcs.hull.ac.uk Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England Lines: 42 Hi to all out there. We have this problem, and I'm not certain I'm solving it in the correct way. I was wondering if anyone can shed light on this, or point me in the right place to look... We have an X-ray imaging camera and a metallic tube with a cylindrical hole passing through it at a right angle to the tube's axis: | || [ image | X-ray source ] || | screen metallic || tube | || | | We know source--screen centre distance, radius of the tube, radius of the hole. We do some calculations based on the image of the hole on the screen. However, the calculations are mathematically highly complex, and must assume that the object's hole projects an image (resembling an ellipse if the tube is not parallel to the screen) in the centre of the screen. However, it is unlikely that the object is placed so conveniently. Firstly, we must transform the major and minor axis of the ellipse. I cannot know what the angle between the tube and screen is. Do I have to assume that they are parallel to do the transformation? How do I do this transformation? Secondly, there is a distortion of the image due to the screen being planar (the source--screen distance increases as we move away from the centre of the screen). How can I compensate the ellipse's axis for this image distortion? So, please can anyone give us a few pointers here? How do we transform the image so it appears as it would if it were in the centre of the screen, and how do I deal with distortion due to the shape of the screen? We'd appreciate any help, either posted or emailed. Thanks in advance, Simon. -- Simon Marshall, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Hull, Hull HU6 7RX, UK ""Football isn't about life and death. It's more important than that."" Bill Email: S.Marshall@cs.hull.ac.uk Phone: +44 482 465951 Fax: 466666 Shankley ";1;1 "From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand Lines: 52 In article <1993Apr16.212441.34125@rchland.ibm.com>, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu>, Sean McMains writes: > > |> > |> Ricardo, the animation playback to which Lawrence was referring in an > |> earlier post is plain old Quicktime 1.5 with the Compact Video codec. > |> I've seen digitized video (some of Apple's early commercials, to be > |> precise) running on a Centris 650 at about 30fps very nicely (16-bit > |> color depth). I would expect that using the same algorithm, a RISC > |> processor should be able to approach full-screen full-motion animation, > |> though as you've implied, the processor will be taxed more with highly > |> dynamic material. > > > Sean, I don't want to get into a 'mini-war' by what I am going to say, > but I have to be a little bit skeptic about the performance you are > claiming on the Centris, you'll see why (please, no-flames, I reserve > those for c.s.m.a :-) ) > > I was in Chicago in the last consumer electronics show, and Apple had a > booth there. I walked by, and they were showing real-time video capture > using a (Radious or SuperMac?) card to digitize and make right on the spot > quicktime movies. I think the quicktime they were using was the old one > (1.5). That is in fact the current version (it only came out in December). > They digitized a guy talking there in 160x2xx something. It played back quite > nicely and in real time. The guy then expanded the window (resized) to 25x by > 3xx (320 in y I think) and the frame rate decreased enough to notice that it > wasn't 30fps (or about 30fps) anymore. It dropped to like 15 fps. Then he > increased it just a bit more, and it dropped to 10<->12 fps. > > Then I asked him what Mac he was using... He was using a Quadra (don't know > what model, 900?) to do it, and he was telling the guys there that the Quicktime > could play back at the same speed even on an LCII. > > Well, I spoiled his claim so to say, since a 68040 Quadra Mac was having > a little bit of trouble. And this wasn't even from the hardisk! This was > from memory! My test movie was created at 320*240 resolution, it wasn't being scaled up. Scaling was a very CPU-intensive operation with the original QuickTime (1.0); the current version has optimizations for ratios like 4:1 (160*120 -> 320*240), but even so, I'm prepared to believe that the performance isn't as good as with playing back an actual 320*240 movie. I haven't done any numerical measurements for scaled playback. Lawrence D'Oliveiro fone: +64-7-856-2889 Computer Services Dept fax: +64-7-838-4066 University of Waikato electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Hamilton, New Zealand 37^ 47' 26"" S, 175^ 19' 7"" E, GMT+12:00 ";1;1 "From: bm155@cleveland.freenet.edu (csthomas@gizmonic.UUCP) Subject: xwd->gif conversions Reply-To: bm155@cleveland.freenet.edu (shane thomas) Distribution: na Organization: The Gizmonic Institute Lines: 14 Hello, Anyone know of any source code I can get to either create window dumps in GIF format, or convert an XWD (x window dump) file into a GIF? Really could be any format I can manipulate in DOS, i.e. PCX, BMP, etc. later, shane --- bm155@cleveland.freenet.edu {uucp:rutgers!devon!gizmonic!csthomas} ""God bless those Pagans..."" - H. Simpson ";-1;0 "From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Article-I.D.: henson.1993Apr15.200429.21424 Organization: Western Washington University The 250 ninja and XL 250 got ridden all winter long. I always wave. I Lines: 13 am amazed at the number of Harley riders who ARE waving even to a lowly baby ninja. Let's keep up the good attitudes. Brock Yates said in this months Car and Driver he is ready for a war (against those who would rather we all rode busses). We bikers should be too. It's a freedom that we all wanna know and it's an obsession to some to keep the world in your rearview mirror while you try to run down the sun ""Wheels"" by Rhestless Heart Marty O. 87 250 ninja 73 XL 250 Motosport ";-1;0 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: ABC coverage Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: usa Lines: 24 ccohen@pitt.edu (Caleb N Cohen) writes: > > Boy - everyone has been ripping on ESPN's hockey coverage (or is it >just Pittsburgher's who are thrilled with Lange & Steigy?) For all of >you who are unaware -> ESPN bought the air time from ABC and did all >the production, advertising sales, commentating, etc -> and even >reaped any $ made... No, Caleb, it's not the quality of ESPN that I have a problem with; it is superb, whereas it did not evolve beyond the point where ESPN left off when hockey went to SC (this is excepting SC's use of feeds from CBC (-;). It's the amount of hockey they're showing, or lack of it, that we're complaining about. They had rights to two OT's that could've been shown on Sunday night after baseball ... and they had pickup trucks racing through oversized pigpens followed by Super-8 home movies of old car races (yes, I was checking in desperation for Canucks-Jets) last night after SportsCenter. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";13;1 "From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) Subject: Re: Shipping a bike Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 31 In article <1qkhrm$7go@agate.berkeley.edu> manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes: > >Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco >to Seattle? And how much might it cost? > >I remember a thread on shipping. If someone saved the instructions >on bike prep, please post 'em again, or email. > >Thanks, > >Manish Step 1) Join the AMA (American Motorcycling Association). Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN. Step 2) After you become a member, they will ship your bike, UNCRATED to just about anywhere across the fruited plain for a few hundred bucks. I have used this service and have been continually pleased. They usually only take a few days for the whole thing, and you do not have to prepare the bike in any way (other than draining the gas). Not to mention that it is about 25% of the normal shipping costs (by the time you crate a bike and ship it with another company, you can pay around $1000) ________________________________________________________________________ Nick Coburn DoD#6425 AMA#679817 '88CBR1000 '89CBR600 coburnn@spot.colorado.edu ________________________________________________________________________ ";-1;0 "From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) Subject: Re: Waco, they did it. ( MASADA ) Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA Lines: 8 Re: Flaming wreckage I wrote my congressmen strongly worded letters demanding they dissolve the BATF. Perhaps anger and grief can help spur a letter writing campaign? Ron Miller ";-1;0 "From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 73 In article <1qjn7i$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: >In article 26051@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: >>In article <1qc529$c1r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: > >>>Single-track snow vehicles with front skis, and snow skis attached to >>>skiers' legs, deform the surface of the snow, creating their own bank. >>>Ice skates alter the phase of the ice, and also ""carve"" out their own >>>tracks. >>So what? > >So they have bugger all to do with motorcycles. Hence, any apparent >similarity in handling characteristics may, or may *not* be analagous >in its underlying physics to that behind motorcycle handling >characteristics. OK, as one last attempt, I'll take a different tack. We all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why one can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle. The question is, is one of the effect dominant, and which one is it? The idea would be to design an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics, and see which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of us who have bikes are familiar. Let's look at the one that, so far, has sparked no controversy on its own, gyroscopic precession. To examine this alone, we would have to get rid of the contact patch effect, by not allowing the contact patches to transmit any force. The wheels and steering mechanism would have to remain, and be attached to a vehicle with about the same weight as a bike, through suspension (so that the wheels transmit forces to the bike the same way) similar to a bikes. An experiment would be to ride a bike along a dry road to get moving and to get the wheels spinning, then change surfaces to something that won't transmit forces through the contact patches, and try a steering manoeuvre to see if the bike leans. It probably would, since some of us know how easy it is to fall down on ice, but we wouldn't get a good idea of how well or what it feels like because, without the contact patches, we can't turn. Maybe there's a better way. Besides, even ice doesn't get rid of the contact patch forces altogether, so we'd have to find a really frictionless surface. You'd have to try it again with the wheels locked to really know if it was the rotation that did it. Looking at the contact-patch effect only, however, is fairly simple. Now we have to find a vehicle that gets the about the same magnitude and direction of cantact patch forces as a motorcycle, and transmits them about the same way to the vehicle, but without rotating wheels. How it gets the contact patch forces is irrelevant, we're just looking for something that has contact patches that can go straight and not sideways, and skis or skates would do fine. I don't know of any snow-ski or skate bikes, but up here we have the Suzuki Wetbike that is arranged like a motorcycle but has fat water skis where there should be wheels. I think the propellor is in front of the rear ski, or something like that, but we could try it at a coast to get rid of most of its effect. Now I admit that this is second hand info (although I'd love to try one of these), but the review in the local cycle rag and a guy in a bike shop that sells them both say that this machine handles very much like a motorcycle, in that you countersteer it to turn. So we have contact patches that transmit similar forces to a bike's, a similar suspension arrangement, and no gyroscopes, but we do have countersteering. Conclusion: you don't need gyroscopes to countersteer vehicles that have motorcycle-like contact patch arrangements. We still don't know what real effect the gyroscopes have when they're there, but from my observations of how handlebar angle, force, etc. relate to steering in general, I'm willing to bet that they're not the dominant factor in countersteering. If you don't like this conclusion, then don't accept it, but my motorcycle's behaviour is consistent with it. If someone can prove otherwise, go ahead. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada ";7;1 "From: armstrng@cs.dal.ca (Stan Armstrong) Subject: Immaterial afterlife (was Is Hell Real) Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 21 In article goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > >I thought everyone who died simply went to Sheol. The notion of going to >heaven is a Christianization based on those parts of the NT that speak of >an immaterial afterlife. > > -Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet > goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer > Where in the Bible is there *any* teaching about an immaterial afterlife? I was always taught that both the O.T. Jews and the N.T. Christians would have found the notion incomprehensible--as do I. Don't we christians believe in the resurrection of the body? Or do you mean by material simply the stuff made of the 100+ elements that we know and love too much? -- Stan Armstrong. Religious Studies Dept, Saint Mary's University, Halifax, N.S. Armstrong@husky1.stmarys.ca | att!clyde!watmath!water!dalcs!armstrng ";-1;0 "From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 12 Quoting pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) in article <1993Apr21.012011.27470@shearson.com>: >Whats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem? How fast do the fastest modems go? How far can voice be compressed? I've seen various assertions about this, but anyone with the straightforward bits-per-second figures will be my friend forever... __ _____ \/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ // /\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus! ";-1;0 "From: davidgl@microsoft.com (David Glenn) Subject: Re: ATM or Truetype-which to choose? Article-I.D.: microsof.1993Apr06.023730.5094 Distribution: usa Organization: Microsoft Corp. Lines: 54 In article rjn@teal.csn.org wrote: > csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley) writes: > > : I've just bought a PC which came with a bundle of Lotus stuff, including > : Adobe Type Manager version 1.15. As a newcomer to Windows, I'm > : confused about which I should be using, ATM or Truetype. > > If you are going to stay with ATM, be sure to upgrade to 2.5, which > replaces 2.0. Who knows how old 1.15 is. 2.5 is as fast as TT, and if > you disable the small screen fonts, ATM does better screen rendering at > the smaller point sizes. Not true! Both Type 1 and TT fonts can be of excellent quality and poor quality at any size. It all depends on the font's maker and the complexity of the glyphs related to the size and resolution at which they are viewed. Probably the reason for your opinion/experience that TT is inferior is because most TT fonts on the market today have been converted from Type 1 outlines to TT either by the font vendor or end-users using Fontographer or FontMonger instead of the TT fonts being hand-hinted to take advantage of the TT hinting language. At best these converted TT fonts will be on a par with the Type 1 font of its orgin. TrueType is a much richer and more robust hinting language than Type 1 (the hinting of diagonals for instance, which TT does and Type 1 cannot). If you check out the Windows 3.1 core fonts (Times, Arial, Courier, Symbol, Wingdings) you'll see what can be done with TT. There are other fonts out there that have been hand-hinted and not just converted. Some of the Microsoft TT Font Pack 2 fonts are hinted very well. > You can use both TT and ATM fonts at the same time, if you like. > ATM (Type 1) fonts tend to be of higher quality > and be more complete in terms of foreign characters. Again, not true. The characters in a TT or Type 1 font depend on the maker. If someone converts a Type 1 font to TT they'll only get the characters in the font of orgin. TT allows for much more flexibility in this area as well. You can have thousands of glyphs in a TT font file (Mac/PS/Windows/Unicode char set) and use the characters appropriate for the particular platform you are running the font on. For instance, all or our fontpack 2 TT fonts have the Mac/Windows char set in them. The metrics of the fonts are such that if the font is brought over to the mac the user will have access to the full mac char set. > Regards, 1001-A East Harmony Road > Bob Niland Suite 503 > Internet: rjn@csn.org Fort Collins CO 80525 > CompuServe: 71044,2124 (303) 223-5209 Hope this clears up some of the confusion. Feel free to contact me if anyone would like more info. Regards, Dave Glenn Program Manager, Microsoft TT font stuff davidgl@microsoft.com compuserve: 72420,1067 ";-1;0 "From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (Randal Lee Nicholas Mandock) Subject: Re: Why do people become atheists? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 33 In article muirm@argon.gas.organpipe.uug.arizona.edu (maxwell c muir) writes: >In all candor, I would be happy to be proven wrong [about believing >in atheism]. Problem is, I will have to be _proven_ wrong. In mentioning some nonsense about psychology :) and atheism, Bob Muir asks the following question. > Do I sound ""broken"" to you? I answer in the affirmative. Now this answer might sound a little intellectually dishonest to Bob, but I think I have been accused before of that heinous crime and am man enough to take it. !-) What thinking person has not at one time or other been accused of it? Is it politically correct for Christians to be the only besieged group permitted the luxury of arrogance? Now I have a question for Bob. Why in the world would any self-respecting atheist want to subscribe to a Christian news group? I have a difficult enough time keeping up with it, and I think I know something about the subject. Bob reminds me of my roommate. In order to disbelieve atheism, he says he will need to be proven wrong about it. Well, I don't even waste my time trying. I tell him that he'll just have to take my word for it. In response, he tells me he will say an ""atheist's prayer"" for me. Good luck, Bob. And, best regards. -- Randal Lee Nicholas Mandock Catechist gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org Distribution: world Organization: NOT Lines: 9 cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes: ]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho. I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling... -- Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org ";-1;0 "From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 22 In a previous article, mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu) says: > >Well the argument usually stops right there. In the end, >aren't we all just kids, groping for the truth? If so, do we have >the authority to declare all other beliefs besides our own as >false? > If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong, then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means. Where does the authority for a belief come from? Nowhere, for a belief is itself authoratative. If I produce authority for a belief, where will I find authority for my belief in the legitimacy of the authority. In short, the mind has to start somewhere. (By the way, the majority of Christians, i.e. Catholics, believe in the authority of the Church, and derive the authority of the Bible from its acceptance by the Church.) -- ============================================================================== Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis ============================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 19 In article amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes: >cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: > > The Israelis > used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. > >Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a ""Neutral >Observer"" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier? > >--Amos > Actually, I'm still trying to understand the self-justifying rationale behind the recent murder of Ian Feinberg (?) in Gaza. -- Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717 ";15;1 "From: cfb@fc.hp.com (Charlie Brett) Subject: FET-TRONS(sp?) Nntp-Posting-Host: hpfcmgw.fc.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 5 Has anyone ever heard of FET-TRONS (or is it FETRONS, FETTRONS, ...). These were FET replacement modules for vacuum tubes. I'm looking for applications where they were used. Charlie Brett - HP Ft. Collins ";-1;0 "From: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Originator: jmcocker@c00053-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 29 In article , fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes: |> |> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of |> doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading |> this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 |> different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts |> a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum |> for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? |> Just curious. |> |>I disagree. You could learn the same amount by reading all the |>split groups, and it would make things easier for those of us |>who are less omnivorous. There is no ""waste"" in creating news |>groups -- its just a bit of shuffling about. I have no problem |>with only a few posts per week per group - I spend too much time |>on this as it is. |> Yes, but... shouldn't size of newsgroup be an issue? Sorry if this has been covered before, but comp.grahpics.animation get how much traffic per day? 50 articles? Maybe 70 on an extremely heavy day? I've been following this group for about four months now, and I don't recall ever seeing such a flood of posts that a split would be warranted. Just my 2 cents, Mitch------------------------------------>jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu ""Who doth render with 386sx-20 knoweth frustration."" ";-1;0 "From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) Subject: Re: Need help with car stereo.... Organization: your service Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com Just a shot here, but ya never know: I once bought a (REAL) cheap equalizer / power amp for my car tape player at one of those motel-room truckload sales, and it sounded great. For a while, that is. Then one channel quit entirely. I opened it up, and the amplifier chip for the bad channel had simply melted some of its solder joints attaching it to the PCB. I soldered them back and it worked fine. I just had to keep the volume a bit lower than I did before. Probably lousy heat sinking. You said ""a nice Alpine"" which I'm sure is a few orders of mag higher in quality than the P.O.S. I had. But the point is - look inside before you scrap it, since you OCCASIONALLY find something you can repair. Maybe even the same thing I found. Good luck! ";-1;0 "From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required? Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 42 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu In article <1993Apr15.153312.4125@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >In article tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes: >>In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com>, [...] >>BZZZT! If it is the other driver's fault, your insurance co pays you, less >>deductible, then recoups the total cost from the other guy/gal's company >>(there's a fancy word for it, which escapes me right now), and pays you the >>deductible. Or: you can go to the other guy/gal's company right off - just >>takes longer to get your cash (as opposed to State Farm, who cut me a check >>today, on the spot, for the damage to my wife's cage). > > The word is ""subrogation."" Seems to me, if you're willing to wait >for the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the >deductible. However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may >have to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large- >fanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers. > > Sad, but true. Call it job security for lawyers. > >Later, >-- >Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady [...] You know, it sounds suspiciously like no fault doesn't even do what it was advertised as doing---getting the lawyers out of the loop. Sigh. Another naive illusion down the toilet.... ----- Tommy McGuire mcguire@cs.utexas.edu mcguire@austin.ibm.com ""...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information, identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."" ";-1;0 "From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left? Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.060553.22453 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 14 In article ""Daniel U. Holbrook"" writes: >>> > [stuff about RHD deSoto's deleted] >Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on Australians still do drive on the ""wrong"" side of the road. I believe Sweden changed in 1968. The way I heard it was that they swapped all the traffic signs around one Sunday.... >the ""wrong"" side of the road, so the export market might have been >larger then than just the UK. > Craig ";-1;0 "From: ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (George Hastings) Subject: Re: Space on other nets Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond) Lines: 17 We run ""SpaceNews & Views"" on our STAREACH BBS, a local operation running WWIV software with the capability to link to over 1500 other BBS's in the U.S.A. and Canada through WWIVNet. Having just started this a couple of months ago, our sub us currently subscribed by only about ten other boards, but more are being added. We get our news articles re on Internet, via ftp from NASA sites, and from a variety of aerospace related periodicals. We get a fair amount of questions on space topics from students who access the system. ____________________________________________________________ | George Hastings ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu | | Space Science Teacher 72407.22@compuserve.com | If it's not | Mathematics & Science Center STAREACH BBS: 804-343-6533 | FUN, it's | 2304 Hartman Street OFFICE: 804-343-6525 | probably not | Richmond, VA 23223 FAX: 804-343-6529 | SCIENCE! ------------------------------------------------------------ ";2;1 "From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) Subject: Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive? Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr21.205403.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: > >Unfortunately H. Beam Piper killed him self just weeks short of having his >first book published, and have his ideas see light.. Such a waste. > > Piper lived in my town (Williamsport, PA) when he killed himself. It was in the early '60's. He had had more than a few books published by that time, but he was down on his luck financially. Rumor was that he was hunting urban pigeons with birdshot for food. He viewed himself as a resourceful man, and (IMO) decided to check out gracefully if he couldn't support himself. The worst part is that John Campbell, the long-time editor of Astounding/Analog SF magazine had cut a check for Piper's most recent story, and said check was in the mail. If Campbell had known Piper's straits, I'm sure he would have phoned to say hang on. Campbell was like that. I wish it had happened differently. I always enjoyed Piper's stuff. Doug Loss ";-1;0 "From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: help: object appears thrice! Summary: after editing win.ini [embedding..], and leaving only 1 entry Organization: George Washington University Lines: 40 Hey all...I got an equation editor, and since it didn't automagically appear in my ""object"" dialog box (i.e. insert-->object-->equation), I decided to manually place it there. So I went into win.ini (is there another way to do this?), the [embedding] section, and added equation=equation,equation,,picture. didn't work. quit windows, go back. AHA: mistake. Correct it. It looks fine. start windows...doesn't work. play with it for a while, at one point having two entries to see if one works and th'other don't, and finally I get it to work. The only thing I can see that's different now is that it's now the first item on the list, and it used to be the last. But now I end up with *three* ""equation"" entried, and *all* of them working. (and only one entry in win.ini). so does any netian know what's wrong? or rather, how to correct this? (i.e. make ""equation""appear but once?). Also, all the entries in the [embedding] appear as above. It's obvious that is the executable, or whatever, and ""picture"" has something to do withthe way it appears (picture/description?) but what are the others? i.e., in soundrec=sound,sound, whate's the difference between the 1st ""sound"" and the 2nd? and what is ""soundrec""?? (I don't think it's the name of the executable, as other entries (e.g. MSWorksChart=...) aren't) thanks, i.a. Mickey -- pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* \\\\ | ""well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..""(gd) ";-1;0 "From: Gary Keim Subject: Re: X Toolkits Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <199304271930.AA07991@rebels.b23b.ingr.com> Excerpts from misc: 27-Apr-93 Re: X Toolkits Sivesh Pradhaan@rebels.b (423) > I do not have finger!!! So is there any other way of accessing this service > like mail server or telnet or ftp? You can use telnet: % xhost +atk.itc.cmu.edu % telnet atk.itc.cmu.edu 79 run-demo ";-1;0 "From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: Competing standard Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 22 Perhaps one way of getting away from this cripple chip that the U.S. government seems to be pushing would be to come up with a good alternative. For example, how about a scheme using RSA, and some hybrid of DES-CFB and another strong stream cipher (Maybe IDEA-CFB)? This could be substantially the same as the cripple chip, except that instead of key-registration, the police could demand that you give up your secret key to them (with a court- issued warrant). Then, they could read the last few months of wiretapped messages you've sent, and assuming you've committed no crimes, you could generate a new key pair and go about your business. I find that I'd be willing to pay RSA for the right to use such a system, especially given the alternative. If you were unwilling to give up your secret key, then you'd probably stay in jail (has anyone got a real legal precedent for this?). This would allow court-issued warrants to be used to gather information on suspected criminals, but it couldn't be done in secrecy, and there would be enormously less likelihood of corruption or theft of escrowed keys. (Maybe someone from the law-enforcement or intelligent community will correct me, but this doesn't *seem* like such a big loss in terms of law-enforcement capabilities.) Any comments? --John Kelsey ";16;1 "From: Seth Adam Eliot Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> Excerpts from netnews.talk.politics.guns: 18-Apr-93 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu > Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms > 'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that > there are actually *few* cases where this is so. excerpted from a letter I wrote a while ago: Although less apparent to those who have not researched the facts, personal protection is as legitimate a reason as sport for the private citizen to own a gun. The most recent research is that of Dr. Gary Kleck of the Florida State University School of Criminology.1 He found that handguns are more often used by victims to defeat crime than by criminals to commit it (645,000 vs. 580,000 respectively in this study). These figures are even more encouraging when you consider the number of crimes that never occur because of the presence of a gun in the hands of a law-abiding private citizen. In a National Institute of Justice study of ten state prisons across the country they found that 39% of the felons surveyed had aborted at least one crime because they believed that the intended victim was armed., and 57% agreed that ""most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police.""2 One of the most heinous of crimes is that against the women of this country. It has been my recent observation that more women are purchasing handguns for defense in response to the present danger of these assaults. This should be taken as encouraging news if the events of Orlando Florida are any indicator. In the late 1960's the female populace was plagued with a series of brutal assaults; just the publicity of the record number of women buying guns and obtaining training resulted in an 88% decrease in rape for that area, the only city of its size in the country to experience a decrease of crime for that year. Additionally, a 1979 US Justice Department study of 32,000 attempted rapes showed that overall, when rape is attempted, the completion rate is 36%. But when a woman defends herself with a gun, the completion rate drops to 3%. 1 G Kleck, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America Aldine de Gruyter, NY, 1991 2 JD Wright & PH Rossi Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms, Aldine de Gruyter, NY, 1986 ------- __________________________________________________________________________ [unlike cats] dogs NEVER scratch you when you wash them. They just become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong. -Dave Barry Seth Eliot Dept of Material Science and Engineering Carnegie Mellon Univerity, Pittsburgh, PA ARPA :eliot+@cmu.edu |------------------------------------------ or se08+@andrew.cmu.edu | Bitnet: se08%andrew@cmccvb | ------------------------------| ";-1;0 "From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 57 D. Andrew Kille writes: >Are you suggesting that God supports genocide? >Perhaps the Germans were ""punishing"" Jews on God's behalf? > >Any God who works that way is indescribably evil, and unworthy of >my worship or faith. The Bible does tell us that governments are ordained by God (Romans 13). And furthermore, God foreknows everything that would happen. It is just to difficult for humans to graps with our limited minds, the inevitablity of the sucess of God's plan, and this is especially hard to grasp when we see governemnts doing evil. However, though they are doing evil (and we should not cooperate with them when they do such), it must be understood that what happens is what God wanted so as to lead to the final sucess of His plan to save as many souls from hell as is possible. In short, the slaughter in Bosnia, though deplorable in the eyes of God (maybe, then again, they might be getting their just deserts now rather than later; there are plenty of examples of God killing people for their sins - Onan in the Old Testmament for example, and Annias and Spahira in the New) is what he willed to happen so that His plan might be accomplished. But don't forget, it is not unbiblical for God to use one nation to execute His just judgement upon another. The Romans were used to fulfill the chorus of ""Let his blood be upon our hands"" of the crowd in Jersualem. And Chaldea was chastised by Babylon, which got Israel, which was inturn gotten by Persia, etc. God does use nations to punish other nations, as the Bible very clearly shows in the Old Testament. Don't you remember the words of God recorded in Daniel, ""Mene, mene, tekel, peres?"" Babylon had been weighed in the balance scales of God's justice, found severly wanting, and was thus given over to the Persians as their due punishment for their rebellion. Another exammple is the extirmination of the Cannanites, ordered by God as the task of Israel. The Cannanites had been given their chance, found severly wanting, and the Great Judge, carried out His just sentence accrodingly. I could go on with more examples, but I see little need to do so, as my point is quite clear. Two things need to be remembered at all times. 1) It is not up to us to question why God has ordered the world as He has. In His divine Wisdom, He made the world as was best in His eyes, and like Paul says in Romans 9, the clay is not one to tlak back to the potter. 2) The message of Jesus Christ is as follows: ""Repent now, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand."" Jesus Christ did not allow any time for dilly-dallying - ""Let the dead bury the dead, come, follow me."" There is not an infinite amount of time, rather Christ is passing by right now, calling people to follow Him and become fishers of men. He does not say, ""well, alright, you can call me back in a week and see if my Kingdom fits in with your plans."" He said ""Follow me."" His message is NOT ""I'm just a sweety-pie who would never hurt a fly, you've got all the time in the world, and Divine Judgement, that's only a fairy tale."" ""Our great God and Savior"" Jesus Christ (Titus 2.5) is also the just and righteous Judge of the world. And it is not up to the defendants in the trial to be questioning his entirely just sentences of either chastisement or mercy. D. Andrew Byler ""Does not He who ways the heart perceive [sin], and will He not judge men according to their works?"" - Proverbs 24.12 ";-1;0 "From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 7 In article <3090@shaman.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes: >So is cocaine. What's your point? That neither is harmful when used carefully? ";10;1 "From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: Re: need shading program example in X Organization: The Internet Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de, xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu # # I think the original post was searching for existing implementations of # f.i. Gouroud-shading of triangles. This is fairly complex to do with plain # X. Simpler shading models are implemented already, f.i. in x3d (ask archie # where to get the latest version). # For Gouroud, a fast implementation will be possible utilizing some extension # only, either MIT-SHM to do the shade in an image and fast update the window # with it, or PEX/OpenGL which should be able to shade themselves. The portable # 'vanilla X' way would be to shade in a normal XImage and use XPutImage(), # what would be good enough to do static things as f.i. fractal landscapes # or such stuff. # # To speak about POVRay, the X previewer that comes with the original source # package is not that good, especially in speed, protocol-friendlyness and # ICCCM compliance. Have a look on x256q, my own preview code. It is on # # 141.76.1.11:pub/gfx/ray/misc/x256q/ # # The README states the points where it is better than xwindow.c from # POVRay 1.0 # The version I have is using the x256q code instead of the default X Windows code. I have it currently running on a DEC Alpha running OpenVMS AXP and so far have been pretty impressed. The only ""side-effect"" of x256q is that it requires xstdcmap -best be run before it will work, annoyning but not a show stopper. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long ";-1;0 "From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (Engineer by Day - Asleep by Night) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring. Organization: Michigan Technological University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 13 Dave Martindale (dave@imax.imax.com) wrote: : They require two separate grounds. One ground goes to the ground pin : of the outlet, and the other ground wire is connected to the outlet's : mounting tabs (and thus grounds the box and faceplate screw and metal : faceplate, if any). I thought the ground WAS connected to the metal frame on the socket. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher Wolf Electrical Engineer cmwolf@mtu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Remember, even if you win the Rat Race - You're still a rat. ";-1;0 "From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Originator: young@sasquatch Nntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 86 >>In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: >>The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of >>a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving >>the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the >>most likely explanation for events. The following is from a critique of a ""60 Minutes"" presentation on MSG which was aired on November 3rd, 1991. The critique comes from THE TUFTS DIET AND NUTRITION LETTER, February 1992. [...edited for brevity...] ""Chances are good that if you watched '60 Minutes' last November 3rd [1991], you came away feeling MSG is bad for you. [...] In the segment entitled 'No MSG,' for instance, show host Ed Bradley makes alarming statements without adequately substantiating them ('millions are suffering a host of symptoms, and some get violently sick'); peppers his report with sensational but clinically unproven personal testimony...; and speaks of studies on MSG that make the substance seem harmful without explaining just how inconclusive those studies are. Consider his making reference at the beginning of the program to a study conducted at the Eastern Virginia Medical School in order to back up his comment that there is 'a lot of evidence' that MSG, a flavor enhancer in Chinese and other Asian cuisines as well as in many supermarket items, causes headaches. What he does NOT make reference to is the fact that the study was performed not on humans but on rabbits. One of the researchers who conducted the study, pharmacologist Patricia Williams, Ph.D., says it certainly is conceivable that a small minority of people are sensitive enough to MSG to get headaches from it. 'But,' she explains, 'the show probably overemphasized the extent of the problem.' A second lapse comes with mention of Dr. John Olney, a professor at the Washington University School of Medicine who, Mr. Bradley remarks, 'says that his 20 years of research with laboratory animals shows MSG is a hazard for developing youngsters' because it poses a threat of irreversible brain damage. Dr. Olney's research with lab animals does not 'show' anything about human youngsters. In fact, only under extreme circumsrtances did Dr. Olney's experiments ever bring about any brain damage: when he injected extremely high doses of MSG into rodents, completely bypassing their digestive tracts and entering their bloodstreams more directly, and when he used tubes to force-feed huge amounts of the substance to very young animals on an empty stomach. Of course, neither of those procedures occurs with humans; they simply take in MSG with food. And most of what they take in is broken down by enzymes in the wall of the small intestine, so that very little reaches the bloodstream -- much to little, in fact, for human blood levels of MSG to come anywhere near the high concentrations found in Dr. Olney's lab animals..... The World Health Organization appears to be very much aware of that fact. And so does the European Communities' Scientific Committee for Food....Both, after examining numerous studies, have concluded that MSG is safe. Their determination makes sense, considering that MSG has never been proven to cause all the symptoms that have been attributed to it -- headaches, swelling, a tightness in the chest, and a burning sensation, among others. In fact, the most fail-safe of clinical studies, the double-blind study..., has consistently exonerated the much-maligned substance. That's quite fortunate since the alleged hazardous component of monosodium glutamate, glutamate, enters our systems whenever we eat any food that contains protein. The reason is that one of the amino acids that make up protein, glutamic acid, is broken down into glutamate during digestion. It's a breakdown that occurs frequently. Glutamic acid is the most abundant of the 20 or so amino acids in the diet. It makes up about 15 percent of the protein in flesh foods, 20 percent in milk, 25 percent in corn, and 29 percent in whole wheat. That doesn't mean it's entirely unimaginable that a small number of people have trouble metabolizing MSG properly and are therefore sensitive to it...The consensus reached by large, international professional organizations [is that MSG is safe], the same consensus reached by the FDA and the biomedical community at large."" -Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.) ";4;1 "Subject: good book From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) Distribution: world Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20Lines: 48 Lines: 48 Having been gone for 10 days, I'm way behind on my News reading, so many pardons if I am repeating something that has been said already. I read a good book while I was away, THE ANTIBIOTIC PARADOX: HOW MIRACLE DRUGS ARE DESTROYING THE MIRACLE, Stuart B. Levy, M.D., 1992, Plenum Press, ISBN:0-306-44331-7. It is about drug resistant microorganisms & the history of antibiotics. It is interesting & written at a level which I think many sci.med readers would appreciate -- which is: it assumes an intelligent reader who is capable of understanding scientific concepts, but who may not yet have been exposed to this particular information. I.e., it assumes you are smart enough to understand it, but it does not assume that you already have a degree in microbiology or medicine. Table of contents: Chapter 1 From Tragedy the Antibiotic Age is Born Chapter 2 The Disease and the Cure: The Microscopic World of Bacteria and Antibiotics Chapter 3 Reliance on Medicine and Self-Medication: The Seeds of Antibiotic Misuse Chapter 4 Antibiotic Resistance: Microbial Adaptation and Evolution Chapter 5 The Antibiotic Myth Chapter 6 Antibiotics, Animals and the Resistance Gene Pool Chapter 7 Further Ecological Considerations: Antibiotic Use in Agriculture, Aquaculture, Pets, and Minor Animal Species Chapter 8 Future Prospects: New Advances Against Potential Disaster Chapter 9 The Individual and Antibiotic Resistance Chapter 10 Antibiotic Resistance: A Societal Issue at Local, National, and International Levels. Includes bibliography and index. I personally found that it made very good Airplane-Reading. -rg ------------------------ Ruth Ginzberg Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA ";4;1 "From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane) Subject: Re: PUBLIC HEARINGS on Ballot Access, Vote Fraud and Other Issues Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 10 Ack! Sorry for the repeat posts: I thought I was posting to the newsgroup on which this appeared. Couldn't figure out why it wasn't appearing in my newsgroup. Stupid of me. Slap my hands. Bang my head against the wall. Sorry! Bloody public anouncements...mumble mumble mumble... ============================================================================ David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) When the words fold open, it means the death of doors; even casement windows sense the danger. (Amon Liner) ";18;1 "From: CONRADIE@firga.sun.ac.za (Gerrit Conradie) Subject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks Organization: University of Stellenbosch, SA Lines: 8 In article <1993Apr21.024036.7394@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David F. Newman) writes: >Subject: arcade style buttons and joysticks >Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found >on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would What about the common joystick found in all computer shops? - gerrit ";11;1 "From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) Subject: Re: Public Service Translation No.2 Keywords: effective Greek & Armenian postings Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science In article <1993Apr16.225409.22697@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >In article <93332@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a >KAAN,TIMUCIN) wrote: > >[KAAN] Who the hell is this guy David Davidian. I think he talks too much.. > >I am your alter-ego! > >[KAAN] Yo , DAVID you would better shut the f... up.. O.K ?? > >No, its' not OK! What are you going to do? Come and get me? Maybe he will. Maybe he is working for the secret Turkish service. You never know. >[KAAN] I don't like your attitute. You are full of lies and shit. > >In the United States we refer to it as Freedom of Speech. If you don't like No it is still called ""you are full of shit""; even in the US.:) >[KAAN] Didn't you hear the saying ""DON'T MESS WITH A TURC!!""... > >No. Why do you ask? What are you going to do? Are you going to submit me to >bodily harm? Are you going to kill me? Are you going to torture me? Well, now you have. Don't worry Turks do not turn to terrorist actions like Armenians have so you can be sure that you will not be killed. However, I do not know about the torture part... Timucin sounds like a tough guy so watch out. >[KAAN] See ya in hell.. > >Wrong again! > >[KAAN] Timucin. > >All I did was to translate a few lines from Turkish into English. If it was >so embarrassing in Turkish, it shouldn't have been written in the first place! >Don't kill the messenger! If you are going to translate, you have to do it consistently. If you selectively translate things to serve your ugly purpose, people get pisssssssssed offfffff. In Ottoman times messengers were usually killed by cutting their heads off and sending it back to their country. But Ottoman empire no longer exists :(. (darn!) Esin. >-- >David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on >S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't >P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" >Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 ";-1;0 "From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: receiver system Keywords: telemetry, receiver system Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Lines: 22 One thing to consider is time division multiplexing the EMG channels to reduce the number of RF carriers you have to generate. If you multiplexed the EMG inputs at 10KHz, that would probably be sufficient for most physiology studies (you'd have ~ 330 Hz per channel sampling rate.) That level of analog multiplexing should be rather easy to accomplish. Combining a lot of RF carriers is pretty tricky to do without generating intermodulation. A system to be carried by a runner is in a fairly harsh environment and would probably be difficult to keep balanced. A commercial hand-held transciever could probably be employed with a little modification to accomodate widening the bandwidth. Obviously, this has to be done in accordance with whatever laws govern the use of transeivers in your location. -- Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED ";-1;0 "From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard) Subject: Re: Can sin ""block"" our prayers? Organization: Pegasus, Honolulu Lines: 24 In article jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: >mike@boulder.snsc.unr.edu (Mike McCormick) writes: > >> Not honoring our wives can cause our prayers to be hindered: >> prayers may not be hindered. I Peter 3:7 > >One interpretation I've heard of this verse is that it refers to the sin >of physically abusing one's wife. The husband is usually physically >stronger than his wife but is not permitted to use this to dominate her. >He must honor her as his sister in Christ. This would therefore be an >example of a specific sin that blocks prayer. >Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org I would be a bit more specific in looking at this verse in regard to 'blocking' prayer. I have trouble thinking that God would allow anything to block our access to him in prayer, especially if we have sinned and are praying for forgivenenss. I can see, however, how our prayer life might be hindered by our sin, if we are concentrating on what is causing the sin or what has happened, we may not be thinking about prayer, thus our prayers are 'hindered' by our own actions. But I don't think anything can 'block' the transmission, or reception of prayer to God. Shalom, Len Howard ";17;1 "From: remmons@iat.holonet.net (Robert Emmons) Subject: Re: MAIL ORDER Article-I.D.: iat.C535JA.Fvx Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem Lines: 24 >If you get good service from a shop, or they regularly have merchandise ^^^^^^^ >in stock you need, or they have a knowledgable and/or friendly sales ^^^^^^^^ >staff, or if for whatever other reason you would like to do business >with them, which will in the aggrigate keep them in business and >available to fill your future needs, but they charge more for an item >than another store, you can usually purchase the item in the store of >your choice, and pay the lowest legitimate price being offered >elsewhere. Sounds pretty lame to me. Let me see if I understand now. Your ""friends"" charge you extra? Just how much do you usually have to pay for a little friendliness? Seems like you're being ""serviced"" by some ""friendly"" sales people. Robert Emmons Never hesitate to sacrifice clarity CalcShop Inc. and maintainability to save precious remmons@holonet.net picoseconds during program execution. ";7;1 "From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work?? Nntp-Posting-Host: chip Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr6.161107.2235@b30news.b30.ingr.com>, dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) writes: |> In article <1993Apr2.182402.28700@walter.bellcore.com>, deaddio@ski.bellcore.com (Michael DeAddio) writes: |> |> |> |> The 'beam' is split in two, with one beam aimed at the target car (sort of) and |> |> |> the other at the ground. The speeds of each are calulated for the final |> |> |> number |> |> |> |> Actually, this is true on the more expensive ones, but the cheaper ones |> |> just read the speedometer. |> |> I've never seen a speedometer-reading model. Are you sure? Who makes |> them? Consider the difficulty of reading the speedo on various makes |> of cars in use... I've seen single beam moving-mode and split beam |> moving-mode. Obviously the police officer reads the speedometer. I cannot believe the nit-picking in this group. There's 2 beams, there is not, is too, etc.... |> -------------------------------------------------------------------- |> [Dave Medin's 10 line sig deleted] ";-1;0 "From: ruegg@med.unc.edu (Robert G. Ruegg) Subject: Re: Eugenics Keywords: gene pool; wisdom; virtue Nntp-Posting-Host: naples.med.unc.edu Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine Lines: 84 Subject: Re: Eugenics (Gordon Banks) writes: / ;Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible. ;Maybe even sooner. We are now mapping the human genome. We will ;then start to work on manipulation of that genome. Using genetic ;engineering, we will be able to insert whatever genes we want. ;No breeding, no ""hybrids"", etc. The ethical question is, should ;we? Two past problems with eugenics have been 1) reducing the gene pool and 2) defining the status of the eugenized. Inserting genes would not seem to reduce the gene pool unless the inserted genes later became transmissible to progeny. Then they may be able to crowd out ""garbage genes."" This may in the future become possible. Even if it does, awareness of the need to maintain the gene pool would hopefully mean provisions will be made for saving genes that may come in handy later. Evidently the genes for sickle cell disease in equatorial Africa and for diabetes in the Hopi *promoted* survival in some conditions. We don't really know what the future may hold for our environment. The reduced wilderness- and disease-survival capacity of our relatively inbred domesticated animals comes to mind. Vulcanism, nuclear winter, ice age, meteor impact, new microbiological threats, famine, global warming, etc., etc., are all conceivable. Therefore, having as many genes as possible available is a good strategy for species survival. Of course, the status of genetically altered individuals would start out as no different than anyone else's. But if we could make ""philosopher-kings"" with great bodies and long lives, would we (or they) want to give them elevated status? We could. The Romans did it with their kings *without* the benefits of such eugenics. The race eventually realized and dealt with the problems which that caused, but for a while, it was a problem. Orwell introduced us to the notion of what might happen to persons genetically altered for more menial tasks. But there is nothing new under the sun. We treated slaves the same way for millennia before ""1984."" I see no inherent problem with gene therapy which avoids at least these 2 problems. Humans have always had trouble having the virtue and wisdom to use any power that falls into their hands to good ends all the time. That hasn't stopped the race as a whole yet. Many are the civilizations which have died from inability to adapt to environmental change. However, also many are the civilizations which have died from the abuse of their own power. The ones which survived have hopefully learned a lesson from the fates of others, and have survived by making better choices when their turns came. Not that I don't think that this gene altering power couldn't wipe us off the face of the earth or cause endless suffering. Nuclear power or global warming or whatever could and may still do that, too. The real issue is an issue of wisdom and virtue. I personally don't think man has enough wisdom and virtue to pull this next challenge off any better than he did the for last few. We, as eugenists, may make it, an we may not. If we don't, I hope there are reservoirs of ""garbage"" people out in some backwater with otherwise long discarded ""garbage"" genes which will pull us through. I believe that the real problem is and will probably always be the same. Man needs to accept input from the great spirit of God to overcome his lacks in the area of knowing how to use the power he has. Some men have, and I believe all men may, listen to and obey the still small voice of God in their hearts. This is the way to begin to recieve the wisdom and virtue needed to escape the problems consequent to poor choices. Peoples have died out for many reasons. The societies which failed to accept enough input from God to safely use the power they had developed have destroyed themselves, and often others in the process. It is self-evident that the ones which survive today have either accepted enough input from the Spirit to use their powers wisely enough to avoid or survive their own mistakes thus far, or else haven't had enough power for long enough. In summary, I would say that the question of whether to use this new technology is really an ancient one. And the answer, in some ways hard, in some ways easy, is the same ancient answer. It isn't the power, it is the Spirit. Sorry for the long post. Got carried away. Bob (ruegg@med.unc.edu) ";-1;0 "From: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 23 Reply-To: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu > In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu>, bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu > wrote: >> >> 8. Saab 900 - ignition is on floor!?! Actually, this started as a great idea. Before steering-column locks became popular, Saab installed a *gearshift* lock -- put the car in reverse, remove the key, and the car *stays* in reverse! Also, suppose you get into your car, and a thug comes up and demands your keys at gunpoint. You hand them over, he gets in, and HAS NO IDEA WHERE TO PUT THE KEY! At this, he will run away (or perhaps shoot you anyway %-}). I heard this actually happened somewhere... Btw, I hear that the Saab 900's new successor will have the ignition on the console, between the seats, where it belongs. %\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\% ___ A laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu | | {*} Redhead Afficionado Extraordinaire *and* | | __V__ Little Canadia's Minister of Fine Tobaccos |_|o_|%%%|0_ Cigaret brands sampled: 55 import/luxury, 17 handrolling | | | | These opinions are not necessarily mine (or mine, either). |_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig? ";-1;0 "From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) Subject: Argic Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu You are brain damaged. That hate of++0B1FATransfer cancelledf yours courses through your sick body like poison. It's just a matter of time. Your fate is sealed. --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo ";-1;0 "From: oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 38 In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: >In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: >|> >|>..[cancellum]... >|> > > >Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; > >ARMENIA is NOT getting ""itchy"". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE >WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS >tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of >CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. > > It is more appropriate to address netters with their names as they appear in their signatures (I failed to do so since you did not bother to sign your posting). Not only because it is the polite thing to do, but also to avoid addressing ladies with ""Mr."", as you have done. Secondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled as Cyprus has never been Greek, but rather, it has been home to a bi-communal society formed of Greeks and Turks. It seems that you know as little about the history and the demography of the island, as you know about the essence of Turkey's military intervention to it under international agreements. Be that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in history and what is going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only be drawn with the expansionist policy that Armenia is now pursuing. But, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to the political conduct of countries, and promulgate them in such terminology as ""itchy-bitchy""... Onur Yalcin -- ";-1;0 "From: balick@nynexst.com (Daphne Balick) Subject: Re: Altitude adjustment Reply-To: balick@nynexst.com Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc Lines: 32 In article <4159@mdavcr.mda.ca> vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) writes: >I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities >quite frequently, on business. The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000 >feet of altitude. One of them especially is very polluted... Mexico City, Bogota, La Paz? > >Often I feel faint the first two or three days. I feel lightheaded, and >my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level. Also, it is very >dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep >away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol. > >Thing is, I still have symptoms. How can I ensure that my short trips there >(no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible? >Is there something else that I could do? --- An unconventional remedy that you might try for altitude sickness in the Andes is chewing coca leaves or taking teas made from coca leaves. You might notice that many of the natives have wads in their mouths... the tea can be obtained in S. American pharmacies. This remedy alleviates some of the lightheadedness and dizziness - but don't try to jog with it. I've tried this when travelling and hiking in Peru and Ecuador. The amount of cocaine you would ingest are too minute to cause any highs... Also it is a good idea to eat lightly and dress warm while adjusting to high altitudes. ";-1;0 "From: madman@austin.ibm.com (Steve Heracleous) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Originator: madman@suave.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 20 This is a two-sided problem. Unfortunately our culture has been deteriorating over time. The ""breeding"" of these low-life's is getting worse; our justice system is at best extremely weak to handle these problems. That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent. My Camaro (my pride and joy) got stolen right out of my driveway a few years back. The persons that did that were eventually caught (lucky for me!) but not before having trashed the car. On another occasion, on my way from Texas to Florida, I had stopped in a small motel for the night in a small town somewhere in Florida. About 5 youths were disturbing my car, setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out. When I and another tenant walked out with a 357 Magnum and a 45 automatic respectively, they vanished. Needless to say, I immediately packed-up and left. Watch out for car-jacking and staged accidents. They can be deadly! Steve Heracleous ";10;1 "From: w1gsl@athena.mit.edu (Steven L. Finberg) Subject: New England Ham - Electronic Fleamarket Dates ** 1 April update ** Keywords: Fleamarkets Swaps Ham Radio Computers Electronics Article-I.D.: senator-.1peffgINNarc Expires: 6 May 1993 Distribution: na Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 112 NNTP-Posting-Host: e40-008-5.mit.edu New England Area Major Flea Market *** DATES *** 1993 P 1 of 2 All events are Ham Radio/ Electronic related except ~_____~ ******************************************************************************* 1993 Contact Source ******************************************************************************* 3 April Upper Saddle River NJ CRRC 9-3 sell @8 Jack W2EHD 201 768 8360 D 4 April Southington CT SARA @HS $20@6:3 $10@8:3 $3@9 N1GCV 203 621 6191 F 17 April Nashua NH NE Antique RC $5@8 $1@9 @ Res Ctr Church Ray 508 865 1290 18 April Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F buy $2@9A sellers $10/sp@7A $8in adv $35 for season pass 3rd Sunday Each Month April thru October 18 April Webster MA ECARA @ Pt Breeze Rest $3 tables $10 Gary 203 974 2564 F 18 April Agawam MA HCRA @ Southwick Rec Ctr $3@9A Bob W1ZGP 203 653 0715 F 23,24,25 April Dayton OH adm $11 sell $30/50++ evenings 513 767 1107 F 2 May Yonkers NY @Lincoln HS Otto WB2SLQ 914 969 1053 A 7-8 May Rochester NH Hoss Traders @FG ex13 off rt 16 $5 noon fri WA1IVB sase 15 May N Smithfield RI RIFMRS @VFW Main St 8A Rick K1KYI 401 725 7507 16 May Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F 16 May Pittsfield MA @Taconic HS Sell $5@7 Buy $2@8 Cliff W1SJV 413 743 3334 21-22-23 May Rochester NY ARRL-NY Conv @ Monroe FG Harold K2HC 800 724 8515 F 5 June S Burlington VT Mitch WB2JSJ 802 879 6589 6 June Newington CT @HS Flea Les KA1KRP 203 523 0453 12 June Bangor ME Pine St ARC @Hermon ES 146.34/94 8AM-$2 Roger 207 848 3846 20 June Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F 17 July Nashua NH NE Antique RC $5@8 $1@9 @ Res Ctr Church Ray 508 865 1290 17 July Union ME @ Fairground $3@7AM State Conv Skeet KA1LPW 207 622 2915 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LAST UPDATE 3-29-93 de W1GSL P 1 of 2 ******************************************************************************* Additions/ Corrections via Internet w1gsl@athena.mit.edu US Mail W1GSL POB 82 MIT Br Cambridge MA 02139 SASE for updated copy as issued. 1993 Contact Source ******************************************************************************* 18 July Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F 3rd Sunday Each Month April thru October 24 July Manchester NH NHARA @HI 8A$4 NE DC 300Ts (no TG) WB1HBB 603 432 6011 F 8 Aug White Planes NY WECAfest Sarah N2EYX 914 962 9666 D 8 Aug Wellseley MA WARS+BARS @Babson College Barry WN1N 508 877 4947 T 14 Aug St Albans ME @ Snow Mobile Club Hitch K1HHC 207 796 2282 15 Aug Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F 29 Aug Fall River MA BCRA Tom WA1LBK 508 674 4163 T+ 11 Sept Windsor ME @ Fairground $3@7AM Skeet KA1LPW 207 622 2915 12 Sept Gaithersburg MD FAR @Mg Cty FG $5@6A- $7TG Nancy Drahim 703 691 0078 J 12 Sept S Dartmouth MA SE Mass ARA 8A- Dan N1HCV 508 933 0678 + 19 Sept Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F 19 Sept Sandy Hook CT Candlewood ARA Harold KB1US A 25 Sept Greenbush ME WCSN/BARC @WCSN xmtr Ed Cockburn 207 732 4366 26 Sept Framingham MA @ HS $12@8 $5@9 $2@10 Barry WN1N 508 877 4947 F 26 Sept Yonkers NY Metro 70 ARC Otto WB2SLQ 914 969 1053 A 15,16 Oct Rochester NH Hoss Traders @FG ex13 off rt 16 $5 noon fri K1RQG 17 Oct Cambridge MA FLEA at MIT Nick 617 253 3776 F 13 Nov Plymouth MA Mayflower RC @Mem Hall 9-3 sell@8 Jim NM1F 508 747 2224 14 Nov Branford CT SCARA @intrm sch Brad WA1TAS 203 265 9983 T ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LAST UPDATE 3-29-93 de W1GSL P 2 of 2 Source F= Flyer J= John Roberts list A= ARRL list WR NV 73 CQ QST = Mags T= tentative early info D= W1DL + = new info this month This list has been compiled from many sources. While we believe the info to be accurate the author can not be responsible for changes or errors. Check with the sponsoring organizations for more details. This list will be posted monthly to Usenet if additions have been made. Mailed copies are sent when additions are made. ******************************************************************************* Additions/ Corrections via Internet w1gsl@athena.mit.edu US Mail W1GSL POB 82 MIT Br Cambridge MA 02139 SASE for updated copy as issued. ";-1;0 "From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Article-I.D.: optilink.15213 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 20 In article <7166@pdxgate.UUCP>, a0cb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes: > MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright) writes: # #The official and legal term for rape is ""the crime of forcing a FEMALE # #to submit to sexual intercourse."" # # Please, supply me with some references. I was not aware that all states # had the word ""FEMALE"" in the rape statutes. I am sure others are surprised # as well. I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but # was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only, # uniformly throughout the U.S. # # -Chris There may be some confusion here. The Uniform Crime Reports program run by the FBI defines rape as a female victim only crime -- even though some states have the laws de-sexed. I suspect that this causes male victims of rape to be left out of the UCR data. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. ";18;1 "From: kthompso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Ken Thompson) Subject: Re: Cable TVI interference Keywords: catv cable television tvi Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS Lines: 14 victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes: )Do you know what frequencies chanels 17 to 19 use and what is usually )allocated to those frequencies for broadcast outside of cable? 17 is air comm. 18 is amateur 19 is business and public service -- Ken Thompson N0ITL NCR Corp. Peripheral Products Division Disk Array Development 3718 N. Rock Road Wichita KS 67226 (316)636-8783 Ken.Thompson@wichitaks.ncr.com ";-1;0 "From: dr_bobo@ponton.hanse.de (Boris Pruessmann) Subject: RE: VGA-Scrolling ? Organization: Ponton European Media Art Lab, Hamburg Lines: 12 Hi ! If you want to have Soft-Scrolling on your VGA, you have to change some intern registers of the CRTC. But it is a little bit difficult to explain, so I would suggest, you take a look at ""The Programming of the EGA/VGA-Adapter"" by Addison-Wesley. You will find all useful descriptions for every available VGA-Register. -Boris --- dr_bobo@ponton.hanse.de ---> Boris Pruessmann ";-1;0 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: HST SOmebody mentioned a re-boost of HST during this mission, meaning that Weight is a very tight margin on this mission. How will said re-boost be done? Grapple, HST, stow it in Cargo bay, do OMS burn to high altitude, unstow HST, repair gyros, costar install, fix solar arrays, then return to earth? My guess is why bother with usingthe shuttle to reboost? why not grapple, do all said fixes, bolt a small liquid fueled thruster module to HST, then let it make the re-boost. it has to be cheaper on mass then usingthe shuttle as a tug. that way, now that they are going to need at least 5 spacewalks, then they can carry an EDO pallet, and sit on station and even maybe do the solar array tilt motor fix. pat ";-1;0 "From: pilon@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (T.J. Pilon) Subject: Re: My IIcx won't turn on... Nntp-Posting-Host: aix02.ecs.rpi.edu Lines: 7 I've changed the battery in the thing (shortly after the problem first happened) and I've noticed an inordinate number of Bus errors lately... T.J. Pilon pilon@rpi.edu ";-1;0 "From: hildjj@jupiter.fuentez.COM (Joe Hildebrand) Subject: Re: question regarding overlaying of graphics Organization: The Internet Lines: 30 To: venkatg@grace.cs.orst.edu (Gopal Venkatraman) Cc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > Let's say I have two rectangles on the canvas(see above) > one intersecting the other... > Now, I would like to delete one of the rectangles. > The way I do it is to create another GC wherein I use the > GXxor logical function and simply redraw the rectangle using the newly > created graphics context thus deleting it for all apparent purposes. > A problem with this approach is that at the points of intersection the pixel > locations belonging to the other rectangle also become white, which is > something that should be avoided. You could set up a bitmap with a mask in it. Clear the bitmap, draw the rectangle to be deleted with GXor. Draw the one that is to stay with GXclear. Then GXxor the entire pixmap with the screen. Note that this is a pretty effective way of animation, if you ever need to do that (replace the GXclear with a GXxor). ---------- Joe Hildebrand hildjj@fuentez.com Software Engineer Fuentez Systems Concepts (703)273-1447 Standard disclaimers apply ";12;1 "From: rkwmo@pukrs3.puk.ac.za (MNR M OOSTHUYSEN) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: PU vir CHO/PU for CHE Lines: 33 In article <9304141620.AA01443@dangermouse.mitre.org> jmeritt@mental.mitre.org writes: >Leviticus 21:9 >And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the >whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire. >Deuteronomy 22:20-21 >...and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: then they shall >bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of the >city shall stone her with stones that she die... >Deuteronomy 22:22 >If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall >both of them die... >Deuteronomy 22:23-24 >If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her >in the city, and lie with her; then ye shall bring them both out unto the >gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die... >Deuteronomy 22:25 >BUT if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, >and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. IF it were'nt for the sin of men, none of this killing would have been necesarry, He is KIND and LOVING, but also RIGHTEOUS, SIN MUST BE PUNISHED. Before Jesus, man had to take the sins on himself. But Jesus died and took it all upon Him, so now we also have a FORGIVING GOD. If He were not KIND and LOVING, there wouldn't have been any people left. ";-1;0 "From: gt4661a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt4661a gt4661a PAOLO,MARC ANTHONY) Subject: Computer For Sale Distribution: atl Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 5 -- PAOLO,MARC ANTHONY Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt4661a Internet: gt4661a@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Postscript view for DOS or Windows? From: hjstein@sunrise.huji.ac.il (Harvey J. Stein) Distribution: world Organization: /home/staff/hjstein/.organization NNTP-Posting-Host: sunrise.huji.ac.il In-reply-to: paladin@world.std.com's message of Thu, 8 Apr 1993 21:40:44 GMT Lines: 6 I've been using version 2.5.2 of ghostscript, and I'm quite satisfied with it. There are, actually, 3 versions: a plain dos version, a 386 version, and a windows version. Harvey Stein hjstein@math.huji.ac.il ";-1;0 "From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) Subject: Observation re: helmets X-AltNet-ID: 211353 Lines: 29 Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it... So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes. Then, while it was drying, I realized that I was out of smokes and that my cage is not currently running... So I ""had to"" take my bike down to the store. Not wanting to mess up my paint job, I said ""Well, heck. I can just use my old helmet"".... this is your standard el cheapie openface... I didn't notice a big difference when I switched TO the shoei, but switching back was really bad... 1) Doesn't fit worth a damn, too wide in the sides, too short front to back... 2) With a faceplate, it's still bloody windy... with the shoei, I normally ignore the face shield until I get up to about 30ish... with this one, taxiing to the end of the driveway was too smegging much wind. The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely passenger? ";7;1 "From: davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com (David J. Ray) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Rockwell International X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 16 Martin Preston (prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk) wrote: : In ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: : : >I've got the 6.0 spec (obviously since I quoted it in my last posting). : >My gripe about TIFF is that it's far too complicated and nearly : >infinitely easier to write than to read,... : : Why not use the PD C library for reading/writing TIFF files? It took me a : good 20 minutes to start using them in your own app. : : Martin : What is the name of this PD C library for TIFF. I'd like to get a copy of it, but I can't Archie for something I don't have the filename for. Thanks. ";-1;0 "From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor) Subject: Anyone Have Official Shorthanded Goal Totals? Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Bradley University Distribution: na Lines: 4 Does anyone out there have the shorthanded goal totals of the NHL players for this season? We're trying to finish our rotisserie stats and need SHG to make it complete. ";-1;0 "From: jls@antares. (Jon Sweet) Subject: Re: X Windows for windows Organization: LESC/NASA/LaRC Lines: 11 Distribution: world Reply-To: jls@antares. NNTP-Posting-Host: antares.larc.nasa.gov PC-Xview from NCD, HCL-eXceed from Hummingbird Software! ================================================================ _| _/ _/ _/_/_/ _| All opinions expressed are _| _| _/ _/ _/ _| my own because nobody else _| _| _/ _/ _/_/_/ _| wants them! _| _| _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _| jls@antares.larc.nasa.gov _| _| _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _| Jon L. Sweet _| ================================================================ ";6;1 "From: mech24135045@msuvx2.memst.edu Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Distribution: world Organization: Memphis State University Lines: 49 In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>, <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: > CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all > the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The > lies from ATF say ""holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear > gas pumped in"". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up. > ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that > the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit > napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. Well, actually, the Davidians (Koreshians?) started the fire themselves, the last I heard ( around 15:00 EST). Eight people ran out into the feilds surrounding the compound. All were captured and two admitted to setting the fire. I don't buy your napalm theory at all (although it would have made a great commercial for my .sig). Why the hell would they have a wood stove burning on such a warm day? Flame throwers use liquid petroleum, napalm is more of a gel. Now to further dispute your theory, the diluted CS gas was inserted around 06:00 if I understood correctly. The place didn't start burning until around 10:00 or 11:00. > THIS IS MURDER! ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!! > THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! > I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see > it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was > still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left > alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. Calm down kid. Vernon (Koresh's real name) said himself that he would not leave that compound alive. The inhabitants thereof had accepted the fact that they may very well have to kill themselves before it was all over. > I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**! There are at least eight survivors. A caller on Rush Limbaugh today suggested that the rest may even be hiding in underground bunkers. That's not such a wild idea considering their weaponry and resolve. > God help us all. > PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE > CHILDREN! > W. K. Gorman - an American in tears. Sheesh! Get over it. I haven't heard (read) such ranting since the Hindenberg burned. This should have ended 50 days ago. I'm glad my tax dollars have finally stopped working to pay a bunch of guys to stand around and give press conferences. Now they can get back to more important things, like catching cigarrette smugglers. Troy Napalm sticks to kids. ";-1;0 "From: poram%mlsma@att.att.com Subject: WBT (WAS: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK) Organization: AT&T Lines: 36 In article mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes: > > I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd >pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in >ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam >and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in >1979 as "" a covert political and ideological institution used by the >U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and >repression."" Having met Peter Kingston (of WBT) some years back, he struck me as an exemplery and dedicated Christian whose main concern was with translation of the Word of God and the welfare of the people group he was serving. WBT literature is concerned mainly with providing Scripture in minority languages. The sort of criticism leveled at an organisation such as this along the lines of ""ideological manipulation and cultural interference"" is probably no more than Christianising and education - in this WBT will stand alongside the early Christian missionaries to parts of Africa, or those groups who worked among native Americans a couple hundred years ago. > My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even >praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It's important that >Christians don't immediately accept every ""Christian"" organization as >automatically above reproach. > > mp I think you need to substantiate these attacks as being a legitimate criticism of priorities other than spreading the gospel among underdeveloped people. Barney Resson ""Many shall run to and fro, & knowledge shall increase"" (Daniel) ";17;1 "From: simon@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Saint Story St. Aloysius Gonzaga Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 113 Heres a story of a Saint that people might like to read. I got it from a The Morning Star, and am posting it with the permission of the editor. Saint Aloysius Gonzaga The Patron of Youth The marquis Gonzaga had high aspirations for his son, the Prince Gonzage. He wanted him to become a famous, brave and honoured soldier. After all, he must carry on the great family name of Gonzaga. Of course, he was to become far more famous, brave and honoured than his father could ever have imagined; though not in the manner expected. Saint Aloysius' mother was a woman who received immense joy from praying to God and meditating on the divine mysteries and the life of Our Lord. She had little time for the pleasures of this life. As Saint Aloysius grew, he began to resemble his mother more than his father. Saint Aloysius had learned numerous expressions from his father's soldiers, but the moment he discovered that they were vulgar, he fainted from shock. This shows his immense hatred of sin (What an example for us of the contempt we must have for sin). About the time of his First Holy Communion (which he received from the Archbishop of Milan, Charles Borromeo, whom himself became a great Saint), he con-secrated his purity to God and asked the Blessed Virgin to protect his innocence for life. He wanted to share Our Lord's suffering to show his reciprocal love. He started by denying his passions; he avoided eating the finest foods, wearing the best clothes, and would put pieces of wood in his bed in order to mortify himself for the love of God. While he was in his early teens his father sent him (and his younger brother) to the court of the Spanish King, Phillip 11. Obediently, he set out to make the best of it. He mixed in well with the people of the royal court, for he was handsome, polite, intelligent and always had something interesting to say. Not long before this time, the great soldier-saint, Saint Igna- tius of Loyola, had founded the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) towards which Saint Aloysius -12- began to have a yearning. When he finally told his father, the marquis flew into a rage and forbade his son to become a priest. After a short time, his father sent him to the great cities in order that he be tempted away from the priesthood, but even through these trials, Saint Aloysius grew in his desire for the religious life and was strengthened in the virtue of purity. The Marquis' plans were obviously failing, so he con-fronted his son: ""Will you or will you not obey me and forget this foolish- ness?"" ""I will not, father,"" was the in-evitable reply. ""Then leave from my sight and don't return until you change your mind!"" With tears clouding his eyes, the Saint left the room to pray: ""Tell me Lord, what am I to do? Tell me! Tell me!"" He knelt down to flagellate himself as he had done several times before, but this time he was seen. The onlooker rushed to the marquis. This at last brought the proud man to his senses. ""The Lord wants him, the Lord can have him."" He gave his consent for his son to become a Jesuit. After some years (at the end of the sixteenth century), a terri- ble epidemic broke out in Rome. All the hospitals were full and could house no more, so the Jesuits opened their own. Saint Aloy- sius did all he could in the hospitals, particularly to prepare the dying for a holy death. Saint Aloysius himself contracted the plague from carrying and nursing the sick. For three months he lay with a burning fever and finally, on June 21st, 1591, he gave his soul to the Lord while gazing at a crucifix. Let us invoke Saint Aloysius as our patron and imitate him in his humility, purity and confidence in prayer. Saint Aloysius Gonzaga, pray for us. - Brendan Arthur Prayer is as necessary to a person consecrated to the service of others as a sword is to a soldier God Bless From Simon Lines: 106 -- /----------------------------------------------------------------|-------\ | Simon P. Shields Programmer Viva Cristo Rey !! ----|---- | | MONASH UNIVERSITY COLLEGE GIPPSLAND Ph:+61 51 226 357 .JHS. | | Switchback Rd. Churchill. Fax:+61 51 226 300 |\|/| | ";-1;0 "From: staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers) Subject: Re: warranty extension by credit company: applies to the phurchase of computer? Article-I.D.: cup.C51Cv1.MLL Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett-Packard Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: writer.cup.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.1] HUAYONG YANG (yang@titan.ucs.umass.edu) wrote: : Most, if not all, credit card companies offer to double the warranty up : to one year, namely, if you make a purchase by a credit card, you get : additional warranty up to one year. Does it apply to the purchase of : computers? I wonder if anyone out there has used it. Is there any catch? : Thanks in advance. I am just about to post the results of my big computer purchase. One of the key points was the ability to use my American Express card. I read the fine print between double warranty policies of Amex and Citibank VISA. Sure, both will allow you double warranty on computers, but Citibank has a maximum claim of $250.00. Could you imagine trying to get your monitor or mother board fixed for $250.00? Amex has NO limit on claims. Remember, if you use Amex, you must either send a copy of the warranty info to them in 30 days from purchase, or you must call them to pre-register and then send them the paperwork within 90 days of purchase (my pre-register pak arrived today). Citibank VISA requires no pre-registration. --Ken ";-1;0 "From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) Subject: Keith IS a relativist! Organization: Cured, discharged Lines: 25 In article <1pigidINNsot@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: > Not so. If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you > blame the tiger? AHA! He admits it! He IS a moral relativist! Keith, if you start wafffling on about how it is different for a human to maul someone thrown into it's cage (so to speak), you'd better start posting tome decent evidence or retract your 'I think there is an absolute morality' blurb a few weeks ago. > keith The Desert Brat -- John J McVey, Elc&Eltnc Eng, Whyalla, Uni S Australia, ________ 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au T.S.A.K.C. \/Darwin o\ For replies, mail to whjjm@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au /\________/ Disclaimer: Unisa hates my opinions. bb bb +------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ |""It doesn't make a rainbow any less beautiful that we | ""God's name is smack | |understand the refractive mechanisms that chance to | for some."" | |produce it."" - Jim Perry, perry@dsinc.com | - Alice In Chains | +------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman) Subject: Stuff For Sale is GONE!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: ars Reply-To: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 10 Thanks to all who responded. The three items (electric vest, Aerostitch Suit, and Scarf) are all spoken for. -Gary -- Gary Wasserman ""A completely irrational attraction to BMW bikes"" Interleaf, Inc. Prospect Place, 9 Hillside Ave, Waltham, MA 02154 grw@ileaf.com 617-290-4990x3423 FAX 617-290-4970 DoD#0216 ";-1;0 "From: pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel) Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 25 jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >If they had beaten us, I speculate that the US would have gone >head and done some landings, but we also would have been more >determined to set up a base (both in Earth Orbit and on the >Moon). Whether or not we would be on Mars by now would depend >upon whether the Soviets tried to go. Setting up a lunar base >would have stretched the budgets of both nations and I think >that the military value of a lunar base would outweigh the value >of going to Mars (at least in the short run). Thus we would >have concentrated on the moon. Great speculation - I remember being proud on behalf of all the free world (you think that way when you are seven years old) that we had got there first. Now I'm almost sorry that it worked out that way. I guess the soviets would have taken the victory seriously too, and would almost certainly not have fallen victim to the complacency that overtook the US program. Perhaps stretching to match US efforts would have destabilized them sooner than it did in fact - and in the tradition of Marvel Comics 'What If', this destabilization in the Brezhnev era might have triggered the third world war. Hmm, maybe it was a giant leap after all. -- Internet: pete@extro.su.oz.au | Accept Everything. | UUCP: {uunet,mcvax}!munnari!extro!pete | Reject Nothing. | ";2;1 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Schedule... Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 40 mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler) writes: >gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: >>I can't believe that ESPN is making SportsChannel America look good. > >But only in NY,NJ, Philadelphia, and Chicago. Everywhere else, the only >reason SportsChannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts. Yes, a point well-taken ... however, even in areas that finally got some games, there's something nagging in the back of your skull when the network that has the national rights in its pocket says on its sports news, ""There's an awesome overtime going on in Quebec City, and we'll *try* to get you an update through the show ..."" when you know that it's on a satellite's feedhorn somewhere up there ... >If people want hockey on TV, they should watch hockey on TV. I bet >the ratings for hockey on Sunday on ABC went into the toilet. From today's Times, ABC got great ratings in Chicago and St. Louis (a 4.2), and the Kings-Flames got a 2.9 on the West Coast, but only a 2.2 in metro New York (i.e., the Devils squandered their newfound support from a year ago when they played the Rangers )-;). In comparison, Seniors Golf did better ... >Next week, there will be far fewer ABC affiliates with hockey. I fear that the overall national numbers will not be so great ... I can't tell if ABC did any advance marketing or not, 'cos I don't watch much TV ... the NHL should have made sure that it was solid on cable before going on the air. Even ESPN could've sold second rights to third party systems (i.e., non-SportsChannel) since they are not making any extra money by sitting on the games ... hockey fans will not necessarily be watching pre-season beach volleyball if playoffs games aren't being shown somewhere ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";13;1 "From: Robert Angelo Pleshar Subject: Re: Wirtz is a weenie Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 18 <9487@blue.cis.pitt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <9487@blue.cis.pitt.edu> from Dean: >>In other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3 >>fewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of >>subscription / pay-per-view system. Yuck. > >This is incorrect. This year the Pens had 61 games on ""free"" TV and 6 >games on PPV. Next year they will have 62 games on free TV and 22 on >a subscription basis. > >You actually get 1 more free game than last year, and there will be no >more ""radio-only"" games. Yes, you're right. After going home and reading the paper, I got the full details. That's what I get for making a post based on WDUQ's news. I should know by now they get just about every sports related item wrong. Ralph ";-1;0 "From: badry@cs.UAlberta.CA (Badry Jason Theodore) Subject: Chaining IDE drives Summary: Trouble with Master/Slave drives Nntp-Posting-Host: cab009.cs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 16 Hi. I am trying to set up a Conner 3184 and a Quantum 80AT drive. I have the conner set to the master, and the quantum set to the slave (doesn't work the other way around). I am able to access both drives if I boot from a floppy, but the drives will not boot themselves. I am running MSDOS 6, and have the Conner partitioned as Primary Dos, and is formatted with system files. I have tried all different types of setups, and even changed IDE controller cards. If I boot from a floppy, everything works great (except the booting part :)). The system doesn't report an error message or anything, just hangs there. Does anyone have any suggestions, or has somebody else run into a similar problem? I was thinking that I might have to update the bios on one of the drives (is this possible?). Any suggestions/answers would be greatly appreciated. Please reply to: Jason Badry badry@cs.ualberta.ca ";-1;0 "From: russ@deakin.OZ.AU (Russ Sharp) Subject: Character missing in TTF Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.eng.deakin.oz.au Word 2.0c doesn't show the period-centred character to indicate spaces if I use the TTFonts from CorelDraw. Our editors need to be able to see how many spaces are in text but the character displayed is a large hollow box. They overlap each other and characters on each side, which is useless. I believe the character used by W4W is the period-centred (0183). This character shows up with the windows Charmap display as the hollow box which tends to confirm this. I have edited the corel font with Fontmonger and changing the font graphics for the 0183 character makes no difference to the font output in Charmap or W4W. Altering the paragraph (0182) or cedilla (0184) does alter their font graphics displayed however!! Is the W4W character used to indicate spaces the period-centred character? Has anyone been able to get this character displayed from a CorelDraw TTF? -- ____ Russ Sharp russ@deakin.edu.au ph (052)27 1141 fax (052)27 2015 \ / Deakin University, School of Engineering & Technology, Geelong, Australia \/ ";-1;0 "From: schandra@bme.ri.ccf.org (Shalabh Chandra) Subject: Trying to find a reliable Power Center for MACS Article-I.D.: bme.1993Apr15.222020.4004 Organization: Biomedical Engineering and Applied Therapeutics, CCF Lines: 18 Hi There, I am trying to find out a reliable Power Center, it is basically a surge protector that sits below the monitor and has individual control for each outlet. Some people have an opinion that none of them work well. The ones that I could locate in Microcenter catalogue were: Tripp Lite's Isobar Command COnsole ($79) Proxima Power Director (89.95) Kensington Masterpiece Plus (109.95) Has anyone used one of these? Could you please send me your feedback on these? thanks -shalabh ";-1;0 "From: degroff@netcom.com (21012d) Subject: Re: Venus Lander for Venus Conditions. Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 8 I doubt there are good prospects for a self armoring system for venus surface conditions (several hundred degrees, very high pressure of CO2, possibly sulfuric and nitric acids or oxides but it is a notion to consider for outer planets rs where you might pick up ices under less extream upper atmosphere conditions buying deeper penetration. A nice creative idea, unlikly but worthy of thinking about. ";-1;0 "From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Eumemics (was: Eugenics) Organization: The Portal System (TM) <79700@cup.portal.com> Lines: 41 A person posted certain stuff to this newsgroup, which were highly selected quotes stripped of their context. Here is the complete posting which was quoted (lacking the context of other postings in which it was made): > Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible. > Maybe even sooner. We are now mapping the human genome. We will > then start to work on manipulation of that genome. Using genetic > engineering, we will be able to insert whatever genes we want. > No breeding, no ""hybrids"", etc. The ethical question is, should > we do this? Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived, > Arnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen? Even if we can. Probably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and re-assemble our bodies at the molecular level. Not only will flawless cosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY. What will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded goods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's favor at SAFEWAY? What will it be like to mentally edit and spell- check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling VACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS? Indeed, we are today a nation at risk! The threat is not from bad genes, but bad memes! Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes which are the units of genetics. We stand on the brink of new meme-amplification technologies! Harmful memes which formerly were restricted in their destructive power will run rampant over the countryside, laying waste to the real benefits that future technology has to offer. For example, Jeremy Rifkin has been busy trying to whip up emotions against the new genetically engineered tomatoes under development at CALGENE. This guy is inventing harmful memes, a virtual memetic Typhoid Mary. We must expand the public-health laws to include quarantine of people with harmful memes. They should not be allowed to infect other people with their memes against genetically-engineered food, electromagnetic fields, and the Space Shuttle solid rocket boosters. ";-1;0 "From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 69 Jim Burhill writes: >Would you consider the word of an eye-witness (Peter) to testify to the >events surrounding Jesus' life? >No. There are two problems here: Brian Kendig writes: >(1) Peter died two millenia ago. The original letters he wrote have >long since decayed into dust. If he were alive today and I could Do you question the existence of Alexander the Great, Tilgrath Pilisar III, Nero, Caligula, Josephus, Cyrus the Great, Artexerxes? Their documents have decayed to dust too. Brian, why another excuse? >(2) Even if Peter did witness the miracles of Jesus two millenia ago, >that doesn't mean that your deity is what the Bible says it is (God >might just be Satan, trying to convince everyone that he's a nice >guy), or even that your deity is still alive and active in the world >today. Peter wrote a bit of the Bible. What Peter says about God is what the Bible says. Consider the Bible a court recording. Over the period of thousands of years, various people come up and testify of their experience with the living God. Up comes Abraham the wealthy rancher. Up comes Moses, once the high official of Egypt. Up comes Elijah, a priest. Up comes David, a mere shepherd who became King. Up comes the pagan King Nebuchanezzar. Up comes the pagan King of Persia, Cyrus. Up comes Nehemiah, cupbearer to the King of Persia. Then Matthew, an IRS agent takes the stand. Up comes Luke, an M.D. Then Paul a Jew who use to kill Christians for fun. Up comes John, a 17 year old boy. Up comes Peter, a fishermen. Up comes James, the brother of Jesus himself. Up comes hundreds of others. You hear testimony from fishermen, IRS agents, priests, Kings. The court hearing lasts thousands of years with people coming up and testifying about the God who calls himself ""I am."" While you are listening to all this stuff, you realize that King David could have never known John, Solomon could have never known Matthew, Nehemiah could have never known Peter. You realize that all these people are independent witnesses, and so, you rule out collaboration. Yet all of the witnesses tell of the same God. Each testifier tells of his own experiences with the living God. Each experience is different, but each experience has enough cross-over to unmistakenly reveal that each one of these people is talking about the very same God. What Daniel did not know about God, the 3rd Highest Official of Babylon, God revealed to John 600 years later--but with a different perspective. No two testimonies are identical. Each testimony dares to venture off what is already known. Yet each witness's testimony, even though different from those prior, consistently describes harmoniously fitting facets of the character of the same God. Now. As we stare gazing at the computer, you got this seeming fanatic on the other end of the net, saying, I know this God ""I am"". He has revealed himself to me too. He also calls himself Jesus (John 8:58). Please believe me. I am telling the truth. It is wonderful to know him. Are you going to just pass off all this testimony as fictiousness? Are you going to call three thousand years worth of testimony from shepherds to IRS agents to royal officials to kings to computer programmers, fiction? With a scoff of your keyboard, with near complete ignorance of the testimonies, are you going to say that that is all complete hooey? Would that not be the most audacious display of arrogance? Do you actually think you know better than King Solomon, King David, or even Abraham Lincolnr? ";-1;0 "From: eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Boeing AI Center, Huntsville, AL Lines: 18 Re: Space billboards Even easier to implement than writing messages on the Moon, once upon a time a group of space activists I belonged to in Seattle considered a ""Goodyear Blimp in orbit"". The idea was to use a large structure that could carry an array of lights like the Goodyear Blimp has. Placed in a low Earth orbit of high inclination, it could eventually be seen by almost everyone on Earth. Only our collective disapproval of cluttering up space with such a thing stopped us from pursuing it. It had quite feasible economics, which I will not post here because I don't want to encourage the idea (if you want to do such a thing, go figure it out for yourself). Dani Eder -- Dani Eder/Meridian Investment Company/(205)464-2697(w)/232-7467(h)/ Rt.1, Box 188-2, Athens AL 35611/Location: 34deg 37' N 86deg 43' W +100m alt. ";-1;0 "From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 11 In article <1qlg02$iu6@uniwa.uwa.oz.au> scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes: >Have you driven a TURBO converted >MX5? Now they are starting to perform! I've often thought a Mazda rotary >would go well in the XM5 too....anyone done it? no, but somebody's dropped a ford 302 V-8 into the miata, somewhat reminiscent of the shelby cobra. the car's obviously not as nimble as before, but it's supposed to have a near 50/50 weight distribution and handle very well. i'd sure love to drive one. -teddy ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Medication For Parkinsons Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 15 In article <19621.3049.uupcb@factory.com> jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) writes: >If you want to throw around names, Drs. Donald Calne, Terry Elizan, >and Jesse Cedarbaum don't recommend selegiline (not to mention Dr. >William Landau). > Gosh, Jesse is that famous now? He was my intern. Landau not liking it makes me like it out of spite. (Just kidding, Bill). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) Subject: Re: Help with backpack Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Sanjay Sinha (sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu) wrote: : The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given : the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12"" high) and : was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest. : Any one have any experiences on such experimentation? Put the pack on the pillion and bungee it to the backrest. If that is not possible then you should be able to bungee it behind the backrest, just make sure it doesn't bend or break anything like the rear fender or turnsignals. -- ******************************************************************************* * Bill Ranck ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu * * ""Cars making a sudden U-turn are the most dangerous. They may cut you off * * entirely, blocking the whole roadway and leaving you no place to go."" * * pg. 21, MSF Motorcycle Operator Manual, sixth rev. 1991 * ******************************************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 18 Clayton Cramer writes: #Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, #and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that #homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general #male population. Did you ever consider the selection effect that those who are willing to admit to being a member sexual minority (homosexuality) are more willing to admit to being a member of another sexual minority (highly promiscious)? I didn't think that you did. -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w ";-1;0 "From: wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: NASA ""Wraps"" Organization: University of Houston Lines: 86 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: judy.uh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr10.145502.28866@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes... >In article <9APR199318394890@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes: > >>>BTW, universities do the same thing. They however, have a wrap of >>>10% to 15% (again, this is over and above any overhead charge). > >>Wrong Allen. The max overhead charge is ALL of the charge. There is no >>seperately budgeted overhead in any shape size form or fashion. > >A professor at the University of Virginia told me their wrap was about >15%. The subcontracts I have let out and worked on for other universities >are about the same. My employer (a non-profit research institute) does >the same. This is generally reffered to as the fee. > I don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single line item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as wrap at this university. I also asked around here. Ther is no wrap at Marquette, University of Wisconsin Madison, Utah State, Weber State or Embry Riddle U. I am not saying that it doees not happen but in every instance that I have been able to track down it does not. Also the president of our University who was Provost at University of West Virgina said that it did not happen there either and that this figure must be included in the overhead to be a legitimate charge. >>How do >>I know? I write proposals and have won contracts and I know to the dime >>what the charges are. At UAH for example the overhead is 36.6%. > >Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your >costing people how much fee they add to a project. > I did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that any percentage number like this is included in the overhead. >>If you have some numbers Allen then show them else quit barking. > >I did Dennis; read the article. To repeat: an internal estimate done by >the Reston costing department says Freedom can be built for about $1.8B >a year and operated for $1B per year *IF* all the money where spent on >Freedom. Since we spend about half a billion $$ more per year it looks >like roughly 25% of the money is wasted. Now if you think I'm making >this up, you can confirm it in the anonymous editorial published a few >weeks ago in Space News. > No Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee of the Overhead capital of NASA. Nothing that Reston does could not be dont better or cheaper at the Other NASA centers where the work is going on. Kinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is at a place where everything is overhead. >This Dennis, is why NASA has so many problems: you can't accept that >anything is wrong unless you can blame it on Congress. Oh, sure, you'll >say NASA has problems but do you believe it? Remember the WP 02 >overrun? You insisted it was all congresses fault when NASA management >knew about the overrun for almost a year yet refused to act. Do you >still blame Congress for the overrun? > Why did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally demanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being selective with the facts again. >>By your own numbers Allen, at a cost of 500 million per flight the >>service cost of flying shuttle to SSF is 2 billion for four flights, so how >>did you get your one billion number? > >I have no idea what your trying to say here Dennis. > > Allen >-- If it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost of 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your ""friend"" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it for a billion a year ""if the wrap were gone"". This merely points out a blatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see. Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville. Sorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going to have to do Allen's math for him for a while. I will have little chance to do so. ";-1;0 "From: bills@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Bill Shymanski) Subject: Re: Dmm Advice Needed Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607 Lines: 41 kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes: > In article <734953838.AA00510@insane.apana.org.au> peter.m@insane.apana.org.a > > > >If you are going to use one where it counts (eg:aviation, space scuttle, > >etc) then I suggest you go and buy a Fluke (never seen a Beckman), however > >for every other use you can buy a cheapie. > > My Beckman died a few days ago, thanks do about a 4 or 5 foot drop onto a > lab table. !@#!@$#!@$@#$ Probably not indicative of anything, but I've > already filled out the requisition for a Fluke 87. :-) > > Oh yeah, and sometimes our measurements here do count. Not often, but often > enough that I want at least _one_ good meter! > ---Joel Kolstad We used to buy Beckman 110 and HD110 (""ruggedized"") versions for use by electricians in the steel mill where I work. After a while we got round to filling all the current-input jacks with silicone - electricians have a regrettable habit of not checking where the last guy left the leads before using a 3 1/2 digit 0.5 % autoranging $400 meter to check if a fuse is good or not. Its very hard on meters (and electricians) when you put the milliamp shunt across a 600 volt bus. But that's not why we stopped buying Beckmans - after a while a lot of them got ""funny"" in the LCD display. A black stain would spread from one edge, or else they'd come adrift from those Zebra connectors and fail to operate. Now we buy Flukes, the low-end 20 series mostly ( and we still fill the amp jack with silicone). What the world needs is a meter that won't let you change ranges or turn it on/off with a lead stuck in the amps jack - a little bit of clever plastic detailing would take care of this and make the world safer for electricans, anyway. Not that I've ever put a meter on the wrong range into a live circuit, no, not me...not more than a dozen times, anyway.... Bill bills@inqmind.bison.mb.ca The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 ";-1;0 "From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: 30826 Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr25.151108.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu I like option C of the new space station design.. It needs some work, but it is simple and elegant.. Its about time someone got into simple construction versus overly complex... Basically just strap some rockets and a nose cone on the habitat and go for it.. Might be an idea for a Moon/Mars base to.. Where is Captain Eugenia(sp) when you need it (reference to russian heavy lifter, I think). == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked ";-1;0 "From: jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu (Jeff Hite ) Subject: Re: Monitor Shut-down on 13"" Hi-Res Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu In article <1993Apr15.183527.3365@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> hew@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: > THere is a defect in the 13"" hi-res monitors, bring it to a dealer and > they will replace the flyback for free, I think. > > > I just heard of this problem at work today and we are fixing > them for free. > > > ________________ > - / o r r The service notice on the 13"" hi-res monitors expired 3/23/93 after this date Apple will NOT reimburse service providers for the fix (replacement of the hi-voltage capacitor). All you folks that have been putting up with intermittant shutdowns without getting it to your service provider missed out on the freebie. It was in force for a year. If you got it free after 3/23, you got a deal... Jeff Hite Computing Center U of Oregon jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu ";-1;0 "From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes: >Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride >on the back of his bike. My dog would love it if I could ever make it work. > Thanks > 84wendel@cua.edu > On the back might be tricky, but here in Boulder, there is a guy that can always be seen with his Golden Retriever in the sidecar. Of course, the dog is always wearing WWII style goggles (no joke) ________________________________________________________________________ Nick Coburn DoD#6425 AMA#679817 '88CBR1000 '89CBR600 coburnn@spot.colorado.edu ________________________________________________________________________ ";-1;0 "From: DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld) Subject: Re: MS-Windows graphics viewer? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 7 Check out Image Pals v1.2 from U-Lead (until May, special $99 intro price, 310-523-9393). It has the basic image processing tools for all major formats, does screen grabbing, and allows all your image files to be calalogged into a thumbnail database. It's great! Don ";1;1 "From: ketil@edb.tih.no (Ketil Albertsen,TIH) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Organization: T I H / T I S I P Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15 1.20 (running under MS-Windows) Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr20.230749.12821@reed.edu>, mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes: > I guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not >impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good >one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying >to crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions, >assuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea, >legally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of >files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy >protected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for >practical applications, and are merely curious? > Please clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I >can. May we interpret this as an offer to volunteer as editor for a ""Copy protection FAQ"" ? I am quite sure that I am not alone welcoming such an initiative! *I* will volunteer to ask some of the questions, if you will provide the answers :-) Ketil Albertsen ";-1;0 "From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: President's Radio Interview in Pittsburgh 4.17.93 Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 212 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) ______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 17, 1993 INTERVIEW OF THE PRESIDENT BY MICHAEL WHITELY OF KDKA-AM RADIO, PITTSBURGH Pittsburgh International Airport Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 10:40 A.M. EDT Q For everyone listening on KDKA Radio, I'm Mike Whitely, KDKA Radio News. We're here at the Pittsburgh International Airport and with me is the President of the United States Bill Clinton. And I'd like to welcome you to the area and to KDKA. THE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Mike. Glad to be here. Q There are a lot of things we'd like to talk about in the brief amount of time we have, but some news is just breaking from Los Angeles. I guess the entire country has been kind of holding their breath, wondering what's going to happen in the trial of the four Los Angeles police officers. We just heard that two of those officers, the sergeant, Sergeant Koon and Officer Powell have been found guilty, and two officers have been found not guilty. It's a situation that's been building for over a year since the first trial and now this trial and this verdict. And I wonder what your thoughts are this morning on how you see the situation in Los Angeles in connection with your administration and what you're trying to do. THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I think the American people should know that this trial, in my judgment, is a tribute to the work and judgment of the jury, as well as to the efforts of the federal government in developing the case. The law under which the officers were tried is a complex one; the standards of proof are complicated. The jury decided that they would convict the sergeant who was responsible for supervising the officers and the officer who on the film did most of the beating. The jury acquitted an officer who kicked Rodney King, but also plainly tried to shield him from some blows, and another officer who was a rookie. No one knows exactly why they did what they did, but it appears that they really tried to do justice here. They acknowledged that his civil rights were violated. And I think that the American people should take a lot of pride in that. But I hope now we can begin to look ahead and focus on three things: first of all, the importance of trying to bring this country together and not violate the civil rights of any American; secondly, the importance of renewing our fight against crime. I think it's important to recognize that in the poorest areas of Los Angeles and many other cities in this country, people may be worried about police abuse, but they're even more worried about crime. It's time that we renewed our efforts to go to community policing -- put 100,000 more police officers on the street; pass the Brady Bill that would require a waiting period before people could buy a handgun, and do some other things to reduce the vulnerability of our people to violence and drugs. And the last point I'd like to make is it seems to me that we have got to rededicate ourselves to the economic revitalization of our cities and other economically-distressed areas. If you just think about it -- if everybody in Los Angeles who wanted a job had one, I don't think we'd have quite as many problems as we do. And I laid out a very ambitious program in the campaign to try to bring private investment and public investment to bear in our cities. I have dispatched the Commerce Secretary, Ron Brown, to California to try to come up with some strategies for that state, because it's our biggest state with our highest unemployment rate -- which could then be applied around the country. I want to talk to him and to the Attorney General, to the new head of the NAACP, to Reverend Jackson, and to several other people, and then I'll decide where to go from here with regard to Los Angeles and the other cities of the country. Q Let's talk about what brings you to the Pittsburgh area today. There have been -- I guess there's been a lot of discussion on Capitol Hill about your stimulus package. You've been locked in a battle with the GOP. Yesterday, as you said earlier in your radio address, you made some moves to break that gridlock. What brings you to Pittsburgh, in particular to Allegheny County, in particular to Pennsylvania, with that battle? THE PRESIDENT: Well, there are two reasons. First of all, Pittsburgh, Allegheny County and Pennsylvania supported me in the last election because they wanted a new direction in economic policy. We have passed our overall economic plan; it gives the country a very different budget for the next five years than we've had in the previous 12. We reduced the deficit and, at the same time, increased investment in jobs and education and health care, in the things that will make us a stronger country. But in addition to that, I asked the Congress in the short run to spend a little more money, a modest amount of money to create another half-million jobs in the next year and a half; to try to cut the unemployment rate by a half a percent; but also to try to spark job creation in the private sector more. The plan passed the House. It has the support of a majority of the Senate. At the present time, all the Republican senators as a bloc are filibustering the bill. That is, they won't let it come to a vote. I believe that Senator Specter would like to vote for the bill. And I believe that Senator Dole, the Republican leader, has put a lot of pressure on a lot of the Republicans to stay hitched. And they're all saying that this bill increases the deficit. It doesn't. This bill is well below the spending targets that Congress approved, including the Republicans, for this year. This bill is paid for by budget cuts in the next five years. This bill is designed to give a jump-start to the economy. And I must say, a lot of the Republican senators that are holding it up, when Mr. Bush was President, voted for billions of dollars of emergency spending of just this kind -- much of it was totally unrelated to creating jobs. So what I'm trying to do is to break this logjam. I've held out an olive branch, I've offered a compromise. But I think that we ought to try to put some more Americans to work right now to show that we're changing the direction of the country. And that's the purpose of the bill. Q Have you been in touch with Senator Specter or his office lately? THE PRESIDENT: Well, we've been trying to talk regularly to -- through my White House Congressional Liaison operation to the senators that we think are open to this -- Senator Specter, Senator D'Amato from New York, Senator Jeffords from Vermont, Senator Hatfield from Oregon, and five or six others whom we believe know we need more jobs in this economy and know that we are paying for this with budget cuts over the life of the budget I presented. You know, it has a lot of appeal to say, well, we've got a big deficit, we shouldn't increase it more. But the truth is that we are paying for this with budget cuts in the whole life of the budget over the next few years. And more importantly, we have this program well below the spending targets that Congress has already approved for this year. And they've done this for years, with the Republicans voting for it -- many Republicans voting for it -- for things that weren't nearly as important as putting the American people back to work. So I just hope that this doesn't become a political issue. It ought to just be about the people of this country and the need for jobs. Q I have some questions from people who supported you, and some people who are skeptical about your administration. It has to do with their hopes, and also with their fears. A lot of people who supported you and voted for you in Pennsylvania --I think some of them are now saying, we're glad we got him in the White House, but now look at this incredible process he has to go through. Look at these problems. Look at this gridlock. And they're beginning to wonder, is this going to work; can you pull it off? And, of course, your skeptics are saying, well, I knew it was going to be like this. THE PRESIDENT: Well, what I would -- I'd ask people, first of all, to remember that we are, frankly, moving very fast. The budget resolution that the Congress passed is the fastest they have ever passed a budget resolution -- ever -- in history, setting out the next five-year budget targets. So we are moving really rapidly. And we've got them working on political reform, welfare reform, health care reform, a whole wide range of things. But it's a big operation. You can't expect to turn it around overnight. It took 12 years to produce the conditions which led to the victory I received from the people in November, and we can't turn it around in 90 days. But I think we're making real, real progress. I would urge the people not to get discouraged. We're not going to win every battle, and not everything is going to happen overnight. But we are definitely moving and changing things. Q Thank you very much. The President of the United States, Bill Clinton, here live at Pittsburgh International Airport. I'm Mike Whitely, KDKA News. END10:31 A.M. EDT ";-1;0 "From: gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) Subject: Re: Old Spacecraft as NAvigation Beacons! In-Reply-To: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu's message of 21 Apr 93 08:15:55 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: leo-gw Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr21.001555.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: Other idea for old space crafts is as navigation beacons and such.. Why not?? Because to be any use as a nav point you need to know -exactly- where it is, which means you either nail it to something that doesn't move or you watch it all the time. Neither of which is possible on a deactivated spacecraft. Then you have to know exactly how far away from it you are; this may or may not be possible with the hardware on board. Apart from which, there is absolutely no need for navigation beacons. -- Gregory Bond Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia Knox's 386 is slick. Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box Knox's box is very quick. Plays lots of LSL. He's sick! (Apologies to John ""Iron Bar"" Mackin.) ";-1;0 "From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000 Article-I.D.: news.C5345n.DGF Distribution: na Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 36 jmh@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Hoffmeister) writes: >In article <1993Apr6.200200.29965@progress.com> damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) writes: >> >>rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes: >> >>>> There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled: >>>> >>>> 5.0 LITER MUSTANG >> >sports car, butm my mothers '88 GT was considered a sports car. >I still can't quite figure that out, since when do plastic add-ons >make a car a sports car? >Jeff We're talking about insurance agents from Bumf**k Illinois (ST.FARM is HQ'ed in Bloomington). What the hell do they know about cars... Both are sports cars... :-) -- Chintan Amin The University of Illinois/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu ****************************************************************************** *""Because he was human Because he had goodness Because he was moral* ***************They called him insane..."" Peart ""Cinderella Man""************* ";-1;0 "From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 28 >As the moderator noted, I think you mean the Assumption. Catholics >believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary went to Heaven body *and* soul at >the end of her life. This is unusual because the normal course of >events is for your body to decay in the grave and stay that way until >the Resurrection of the Dead. Well, it wasn't that way for Enoch and Elijah, both of whom were translated directly into heaven. It's beyond my grasp why some object that Mary, who was far greater than either Enoch or Elijah, should not benefit from the same privelege they recieved. She was after all, Mother of God, full of grace, and immaculate. >Historically, belief in the Assumption can be found in the writings of >St. Gregory of Tours (late 6th century). And in St. Germain of Constantinople and St. John of Damascus, and in St. Andrew of Crete, among others. And it should be noted that the Monophysite Chruches of Egypt and Syria also hold to this belief as part of divine revelation, even though they broke away from the unity of the Chruch in 451 AD by rejecting the Council of Chalcedon. It might be argued by some Protestants that the Catholics and Orthodox made this belief up, but the Monophysites, put a big hole in that notion, as they also hold the belief, and they split from the Chruch before the belief was first annunciated in writing (as far as is known, much has been lost from the time of the Fathers). Andy Byler ";17;1 "From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes) Nntp-Posting-Host: taos Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr5.155733.114@pasadena-dc.bofa.com>, franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com writes: |> On a Los Angeles radio station last weekend, the lawyers for the |> family of the MURDERED rancher said that the Los Angeles Sheriff's |> Department had an assessment done of the rancher's property before |> the raid. The briefing documents for the raid had a notation on them about a similar local property which had sold for $800,000 prior to the raid, if recent TV coverage can be believed. |> This strongly implies that the sheriff's department wanted the property; |> any drugs (which were not found) were only an excuse. The Ventura County DA came to the same conclusion in the report he released, which lambasted the Sheriff's Office. Too bad the old man was nearly blind, and didn't take a few goose-stepping Drug Warriors (TM) with him. -- Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation. ""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."" -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797) ";-1;0 "From: tdunbar@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar) Subject: Re: X Toolkits Summary: Get the Athena 3D widget set Distribution: inet Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu libXaw3d, the 3D Athena widget set will greatly improve the ""sculptured"" look. In Linux, with its shared, jump-table libs, you don't even have to recompile or relink. you merely have to: ln -sf /lib/libXaw3d.so.3.0 /lib/libXaw.so.3 thomas ";-1;0 "From: bart@splunge.uucp (Barton Oleksy) Subject: Re: LA ON ABC IN CANADA Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood Lines: 25 plarsen@sanjuan (P Allen Larsen) writes: >In article boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) writes: >> Was the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the >>way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage? When I flipped >>to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even. My question >>is: Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just ""black out"" the >>ABC coverage for its own? >> >Yes, it's called simulcast. In Canada, when a Canadian station and an >American station are showing the same thing whether a sporting event or >Cheers on Thursday night, the Canadian signal is broadcast over the American >station. They even do this during the Superbowl, which has the best commercials >of any television. What do we get here, dumb Canadian commercials, the same >ones we've seen for that last year or so. I'm in Edmonton, and while that's usually (or at least OFTEN) the case, here we were ""treated"" to the actual ABC telecast of the Kings/Flames game. I'm with whoever said it earlier - Don Witless (er, Whitman) is a poor commentator, and not just for hockey. Normally, if the Oilers were still playing (augh), I would turn off the sound and listen to the radio broadcast to get decent play-by-play announcing. Bart, Edmonton ";-1;0 "From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) Subject: xterm build problem in Solaris2.1 Reply-To: acker@se01.wg2.waii.com Organization: Western Geophysical Exploration Products Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com ..continuing on my build problems, I got stuck here build xterm... gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o xterm main.o input.o charproc.o cursor.o util.o tabs.o screen.o scrollbar.o button.o Tekproc.o misc.o VTPrsTbl.o TekPrsTbl.o data.o menu.o -O2 -R/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib${LD_RUN_PATH+\:$LD_RUN_PATH} -L../.././lib/Xaw -lXaw -L../.././lib/Xmu -lXmu -L../.././lib/Xt -lXt -L../.././extensions/lib -lXext -L../.././lib/X -lX11 -L/usr/wgep/X11R5.sos5/lib -lsocket -lnsl -ltermcap Undefined first referenced symbol in file index /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o) rindex /usr/ucblib/libtermcap.a(termcap.o) ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to xterm *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `xterm' Any clues for help? -- Douglas L.Acker Western Geophysical Exploration Products ____ ____ ____ a division of Western Atlas International Inc. \ \ / /\ / /\ A Litton / Dresser Company \ \/ / \ / / \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ / / \ / /\ \ Internet : acker@wg2.waii.com \/___/ \/___/ \___\ Voice : (713) 964-6128 ";-1;0 "From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: Feasibility considered Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 72 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <16APR199317391664@rigel.tamu.edu> gmw0622@rigel.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.124824.29405@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... > >> >:On a case by case basis, the cost/benefit ratio of government regulation >:is obviously worthwhile. The libertarian agenda, however, does not call >:for this assessment. It assumes that the costs of regulation (of any >:kind) always outweigh its benefits. This approach avoids all sorts of >:difficult analysis, but it strikes many of the rest of us as dogmatic, >:to say the least. >> > >I assume you mean that analyzing the cost/benefit ratio of government >regulation on a case by case basis is worthwhile. Let me suggest that >this is not an option. Regulators regulate, it's what they do. I'm not sure why you don't consider it an option. No one suggests that such analysis should be left to ""regulators."" In fact, the ""re-inventing government"" movement provides just such a cost/benefit approach to the analysis of public spending. Libertarians would do well to learn more about it. > > It might be possible to pass an amendment which would prevent >any liscensing laws from being valid, assuming you could convince people that >it would overall be a good idea. Eliminating the liscensing laws which >serve no good purpose (the vast majority of them) while maintaining the >worthwhile ones (assuming there are any) is not feasible. Sorry, but it strikes me that it is the only ""feasible"" approach. What is not feasible is a wholesale attack on all government regulation and licensing that treats cutting hair and practicing medicine as equivalent tasks. > >:I have no objection to an analysis of medical care, education, >:national defense or local police that suggests a ""free market"" can provide >:a more effective, efficient means of accomplishing social objectives >:than is provided through ""statist"" approaches. With some notable >:exceptions, however, I do not see such nitty-gritty, worthwhile >:analysis being carried out by self-professed libertarians. >: >:jsh > >I note that the above examples tend to be among the few government areas >likely to win some approval among libertarians anyway. Actually, the only areas of public spending above that strike me as generating substantial support among libertarians are police and defense. (It is an interesting aside that as committed as libertarians claim to be to a principle of non-coercion, the only areas of public spending that they frequently support involve hiring people with guns....hmmm...) >The most objectionable government expenditures are entitlements, which >also are the biggest. Certain individuals will suggest that these should be >considered defense on the grounds that they are a sort of Danegeld to >would-be revolutionaries, but I personally don't feel we have much to fear >from an alliance of geezers and unwed mothers. Maybe I've led too >sheltered a life. Perhaps you have. May I suggest that you consider that revolutionaries frequently generate support by acting as protectors of ""geezers,"" mothers and children. Governments that ignore such people on the grounds that ""we don't have much to fear"" from them do so at their own peril. jsh > >Mr. Grinch -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 ";-1;0 "From: rkim@mars.uucp (Richard H.S. Kim) Subject: Need sources for HV capacitors. Article-I.D.: nic.1993Apr5.213718.4721 Distribution: usa Organization: Triacus Inc. Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.calstatela.edu Recently, my video monitor went dead, no picture, some low distorted sound. I didn't hear the tell-tale cracking that indicated HV at work, nor are the filaments at the far end of the tube glowing orange, just nothing. On examining the power board, I noticed the largest capacitor with a very bad bulge at the top. Naturally, I want to replace it, but I can't find any sources. The electrolytic capacitor is 330 mF at 250WV. It has radial leads, and is roughly 1 1/2 inches long, 1 1/8"" wide. The dimensions are important since the whole board fits in a metal cage, leaving little room. Living in the Los Angeles area, I've been to numerous stores (Dow Radio, All Electronics, ITC Elect, Sandy's, Yale Elect) with empty hands. Can anyone suggest sources for high-voltage capacitors? Mail order is fine, although I'd rather check out a store to compare the can. I'm going to try a video electronics store, hopefully they'll have HV caps. (By the way, the monitor is a ATARI SC1224, Goldstar circuitry, Masushita tube. Anyone else had problems?) Thanks in advance, Rich K. email> rkim@opus.calstatela.edu ";-1;0 "From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu Carl Lydick: > And you're condemning one particular ingredient without any > evidence that that's the ingredient to which you reacted. Believe what you will. The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the most likely explanation for events. Steve ";-1;0 "From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 42 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > > Criminals who very badly want inscrutable tactical communications > >(specifically the terrorists and drug dealers who proponents of key escrow > >cite as threats) will be highly motivated to steal the cipher phone of > >a legitimate user, and to kill this person or hold them hostage so > >discovery of compromise of the device will be delayed. >Why doing it in such a rough manner? It is much more professional to >steal the chip from the phone and even to replace it with a >pin-compatible do-nothing chip that does not encrypt at all. Chances >are that the victim will not notice anything, especially if it is done >professionally. Assuming that the bad guys can easily obtain substitute chips which don't cause any noticeable effect to either the user or the person at the other end of the line (if there is any significant difficulty to obtaining such chips, some of the criminals will decide to fall back on the murder/kidnap method). > > Once a suitable collection of devices is stolen, criminals can communicate > >with impunity (assuming the cipher system carries no trapdoors apart from > >key escrow) until and unless the compromise is discovered by some other > >means. > No, because the Feds will still be able to decrypt the conversations. >True, they'll blame the wrong guys, but nevertheless one cannot say >something like ""The drugs arrive tommorrow on the ship 'Terminus'"" >when the Feds are listening, even if they cannot identify who the >speaker is. This assumes that the Feds are tapping Clipper phones belonging to ordinary citizens (getting such a phone is the whole point of the crime under discussion). To be sure, I wouldn't put it past them -- but raising the possibility of such crime has the benefit of forcing the Feds to either 'fess up about such intentions in advance or state that using Clipper exposes the user to an additional criminal threat. > No, the criminals will just use some secure encryption. The new >proposal does not stop criminals; it ensures that the government will >be able to wiretap the average citizen and stops the casual snooper. >To me, it also clearly looks as a step towards outlawing any other >strong encryption devices. Agreed. ";16;1 "From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 71 In <48178@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.212428.7530@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >The facts are that Morris >|> has shown us that he has what it takes to play on a WS winning club. >|> Clemens hasn't. >What *does* it take to play on a WS winning club? We have no way of knowing because we cannot separate Morris' contribu- tion from the rest of the team's. There is only one way of determin- ing ""best"" in baseball. And that is by looking at the scoreboard at the end of the game. Each game determines which *team* is the best that day. At the end of the season, the team that was the best the most often is the best in the division. The playoffs determine the best of the best. But the point is that the only decision making pro- cess used to determine the ""best"" is the score of the game and it re- lates to the *teams*. Not the individual players. There is no method inherent in baseball of comparing individual performances. And that is how it should be, because, after all, baseball is a team game. To say that one player is better than another is to be able to say ab- solutely that player A's team would have played better with player B in their lineup. Sheer speculation. Impossible to ascertain. If you want to select a group of statistics and claim that Clemens has done better with those statistics as a criteria, then fine. But you have to be able to prove that those statistics measure the individual's contribution to winning the WS - because that is the only measure of ""best"" that has any meaning in the context of base- ball. So until you can prove that Clemens contributes to a WS cham- pionship more than Morris your evaluation of Clemens is totally sub- jective and is mere opinion. I have yet to see that any of you can predict a WS winner with any greater accuracy than Jeanne Dixon. >The fact is that Morris didn't ""win"" any ballgames, Toronto did, in >spite of Morris' ""contribution"". This has been explained to you Exactly. The Jays won with Morris pitching. And Boston wins with Clemens pitching. I am not saying that Morris is better than Clemens. I am saying that individual comparisons between players are totally meaningless and that anyone claiming that Clemens is better based on his ERA has missed the point of what baseball is all about. >many, many times and you are either too stupid or too stubborn to grasp it. You don't have to be rude. >You are completely consumed by the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy. For you to say that means that you have either missed the entire point of my argument, or you yourself have committed a fallacy - Ignoratio Elenchi. I am not saying that Morris is better than Clemens because he has more rings (although I have, tongue in cheek, claimed that in the past). I am saying that it is impossible to isolate an individual's performance from that of his team's for the purpose of comparing that individual's performance with another individual's per- formance. The stats are a nice hobby and that's about it. There is no new knowledge being produced. So when a poster claims that Morris is better than Clemens because he has more rings, the poster is no more nor less incorrect than the rest of you baying hounds. -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" ";-1;0 "From: dev@hollywood.acsc.com () Subject: Keyboard Focussing Organization: ACSC, Inc. Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: hollywood.acsc.com I have two Motif Widgets. I would like to control one of them via the keyboard and the other with the mouse. I set the keyboard focus on the first widget, but as soon as I click the mouse on the second one, I lose the keyboard focus on the first one. Could some kind soul show me how to do this? Thanks DM dev@hollywood.acsc.com ";-1;0 "From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message? Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 56 ubs@carson.u.washington.edu (University Bookstore) writes: >bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan-1) writes: >> >> >>Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for C650 regarding >>fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 has the message ""fpu: >>optional"". I know from what we've discussed in this newsgroup that all >>C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80 configuration. Why would >>they be so unclear about this issue in their price list? I think this is mostly the fault of the people who write up the literature and price lists being confused themselves. Since there are two possible processor configurations and one of the them doesn't have an FPU it does seem to be an option, even though it really isn't. >>I'm planning to buy the C650 8/230/cd pretty soon, but I'm now getting >>confused with whether it comes with fpu or not. Well, then allow me to end your confusion. The C650 ONLY come with an LC040 in the base 4/80 configuration. If you are not getting this configuration then you are getting an FPU. >>Why say ""optional"" if it's built in? Good question. I have been wondering that since Feb. 10th. >If you get the Centris 650 with CD configuration, you are getting a Mac with >a 68RC040 processor that has built-in math coprocessor support. My >understanding is that the ""optional fpu"" refers to your option of purchasing >the Centris 650 4/80 without FPU OR one of the other configurations WITH FPU. This is possible, but an option is something that you are supposed to be able to request when you want it. What Apple has done is given the buyer a CHOICE between configurations and not an OPTION. >Apple does not offer an upgrade from the non-FPU system to become an FPU >system. And, it is unclear whether the '040 processor on the non-FPU system >(a 68LC040) can be replaced with a 68RC040 supplied by another vendor. This is not unclear at all. In fact Apple has included in the ROMs of those machines with LC040s code to recognize the presence of the full 040's FPU and use it. Thereby making the upgrade as easy as switching chips. You pop the LC040 out and pop in a full '040. >Apple did send a memo out at one point sating that the Centris 610, which ONLY >comes with a non-FPU 68LC040 processor CANNOT be upgraded to support an FPU - >the pin configurations of the two chips apparently do not match so you cannot >swap one for another (again, according to Apple's memo). They did? I think I would double-check this. It has been stated countless times in this newsgroup by two of the Centris hardware designers that the LC040 and the full '040 are pin compatible and that the C610 can be upgraded to a full '040. -Hades ";0;1 "From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 71 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu In article <1r27vo$425@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes: >roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >:mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes: >: >:According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off >:began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh >:had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound. >:These were the ""perfect children"" resulting from the ""great seed"" of >:his ""magnified horn"". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar >:to the way Jim Jones has been described. > >I don't know how accurate the documentary was; The documentary interviewed Koresh and current and ex-members. The documentary disucussed Koresh's ""Christ"" status inside the cult, cult brain-washing techniques, and unusual sex practices (the leader gets any he wants, and tells others when they can or can't). I will let others decide if using religious authority to have sex with a minor is technically child abuse or not. >however, Koresh was never >convicted of any crimes against children, nor was the BATF after him for >child abuse. >Their purview (in this case) is strictly in firearms violations, All true. >so this information is irrelevant to the discussion. Well, if a fire was deliberately set by members of the cult, then the history and background of the cult is very relevant. The history and backgournd of the Jones cult was very important in understanding what happened at Jonestown. Not taking into account the history and background of Koresh's cult may also help explain why the FBI and BATF so badly predicted the reponses they would get from inside the compund nearly every step of the way in this badly handled affair. >:FBI agents have to pass rigorous psychological examinations and background >:checks. Plus, those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain their >:decisions in great detail to congress. Why would the FBI want to fulfill >:Koresh's own prophecy? > >Those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain *something*, but whether >their answers even remotely resembles the truth we may never know. And who >is left alive to care whether the prophecy is fulfilled? It only holds >meaning for the nine who survived. It is likely that there will be at least two investigations (JD and congress) at this point. >:>Correction: The *FBI* said that two of the cult members said this; so far, >:>no one else has been able to talk to them. >: >:So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same >:details, will you believe them? > >*IF* they confirm the story, I probably will. Definitely not until then, >however. Interesting and conflicting details are starting to come out. I have reverted back to wait mode to find out whether the fire was intentional or accidental and how it started and why it spread so fast. > >Mike Ruff >-- -- ";3;1 "From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) Subject: Re: Constitutionality of 18 U.S.C 922(o) Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Distribution: usa Lines: 50 brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes: >You know, I was reading 18 U.S.C. 922 and something just did not make >sence and I was wondering if someone could help me out. >Say U.S.C. 922 : >(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for >any person to transfer or possess a machinegun. > Well I got to looking in my law dictionary and I found that a ""person"" >might also be an artificial entity that is created by government >and has no rights under the federal constitution. So, what I >don't understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on >an individual. So someone tell me how my government can tell >me what I can or cannot possess. Just passing a law >does not make it LAW. Everyone knows that laws are constitional >until it goes to court. So, has it ever gone to court, not >just your run of the mill ""Ok I had it I am guilty, put me in jail"" >Has anyone ever claimed that they had a right to possess and was told >by the Supreme Court that they didn't have that right? >-- >Brian Sheets _ /| ""TRUCK?! What truck?"" >Support Engineer \`o_O' >Atlas Telecom Inc. ( ) -Raiders of the Lost Ark >brians@atlastele.com U I'm not a lawyer but to the best of my understanding, the Congress has no more rights than what is enumerated in the constitution. That is the prime reason why the National Firearms Act is based on collecting revenue. Since the Congress has the authority to levy taxes, the NFA is a tax act and the registration requirement within it is to assist in that tax collection. U.S.C 922, in order to be constitutional, must have a basis on a particular authority granted to the Congress by the Constitution. Congress can not arbitrarily ban a substance or product. That is why prohibition came into effect, only by passing an ammendment. What you said about constitutionality of law needs to be clarified. I believe that an unconstitutional law was never constitutional. When a law is determined by the Supreme Court, to be unconstitutional, that law was never really a law. The very nature of the law being unconstitutional invalidates the law at it's inception. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but when a law is deemed to be unconstitutional, anyone convicted of breaking that law is absolved. I don't believe U.S.C 922 has ever been challenged in court. NFA has been invalidated in two Federal District Court cases( one may have been appellate level{ U.S. vs Rock Island Armory and U.S. vs Dalton}). ";-1;0 "From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: ""Winning"" Tax Case! Article-I.D.: shelley.1pqi26INNl8j Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) writes: >Which makes it legally unsound. If I were representing Mr. Teel, >I'd try a procedural approach if I could find one, or recommend >he plea-bargain. He's setting himself up to be in hot water. Indeed. Reading the cases of people who've tried the various things Mr. Teel suggests show that defendants fall into two classes: (1) those who win on procedural grounds or some grounds not related to their claim, and (2) those who lose. Consider Newman v. Schiff, 778 F.2d 460 (8th Cir.1985), which I've seen cited by tax protestors other than Mr. Teel as a win for Mr. Schiff. Mr. Schiff offered $100,000 on TV to anyone who would call in the show and cite any section of the Internal Revenue Code that says that an individual has to file a return. Mr. Newman took him up on it. Mr. Newman had seen the show in a rebroadcast the next morning. Mr. Schiff claimed that the offer only extended to people who actually say the original broadcast, and so there was no offer for Mr. Newman to accept, and so no unilateral contract was formed, and so Mr. Schiff did not have to pay $100,000. Mr. Schiff was correct, and so won. So, yes, Mr. Schiff won against a claim on the $100,000 reward. However, his win had nothing to do with the tax code. --Tim Smith ";-1;0 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: RUMOUR - Keenan signs with Rangers? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 14 UPI Clarinet has just relayed a ""scoop"" from the Toronto Sun (or was that Star? I like the Star myself ...) that Iron Mike Keenan has come to an agreement with the New York Rangers for next season. Interestingly, this comes the day after the Times Sports had an editorial about how the Rangers need their own Pat Riley ... who cares about what happens after next season? gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";-1;0 "From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr20.142747.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article , loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) writes: > I saw in the newspaper last night that Dr. Mae Jemison, the first > black woman in space (she's a physician and chemical engineer who flew > on Endeavour last year) will appear as a transporter operator on the > ""Star Trek: The Next Generation"" episode that airs the week of May 31. > It's hardly space science, I know, but it's interesting. > > Doug Loss Interesting is rigth.. I wonder if they will make a mention of her being an astronaut in the credits.. I think it might help people connect the future of space with the present.. And give them an idea that we must go into space.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked ";-1;0 "From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) Subject: X Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 68 Could someone PLEASE give a guess as to why this simple little program causes a BadPixmap error on the FOURTH (bizarre???) call to XtRelaizeWidget()? Here is the code: int stoploop = 0; static void Callback(Widget, XtPointer, XtPointer); main() { XtToolkitInitialize(); XtAppContext app = XtCreateApplicationContext(); while (1) { int junk = 0; Display *dis = XtOpenDisplay(app, NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, 0, &junk, NULL); Widget top = XtAppCreateShell(NULL, NULL, applicationShellWidgetClass, dis, NULL, 0); Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget(""x"", xmPushButtonWidgetClass, top, XmNheight, 25, XmNwidth, 25, NULL); XtAddCallback(box, XmNactivateCallback, Callback, NULL); XtRealizeWidget(top); while (!stoploop) { XEvent event; XtAppNextEvent(app, &event); XtDispatchEvent(&event); } stoploop = 0; XtReleaseGC(top, XDefaultGCOfScreen(XtScreen(top))); // needed? XtDestroyWidget(top); XtCloseDisplay(dis); } } static void Callback(Widget, XtPointer, XtPointer) { stoploop = 1; } The error I get (yes, the 4TH time I try to show the box) is: X Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 55 (X_CreateGC) Resource id in failed request: 0xd0000d Serial number of failed request: 71 Current serial number in output stream: 85 Please respond via email. Thanks very, very much! (NOTE: I realize this program does nothing useful, its an ultra-trivialized version fo a real library routine) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";12;1 "From: pwoodcoc@sms.business.uwo.ca (C. Patrick Woodcock) Subject: Page numbering problem with WFW & Canon BJ10e Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 11 I am using WFW 2.0c with a Canon BJ10e. The printer driver is that which comes with Windows 3.1. Unfortatunately, I am having a problem with printing page numbers on the bottom of the page. I can print page number on the top of the page, but not on the bottom. Has anybody had a similar problem and/or does anybody have a solution for such a problem. Thanks pwoodcoc@business.uwo.ca pwoodcoc@sms.business.uwo.ca (C. Patrick Woodcock) Western Business School -- London, Ontario ";-1;0 "From: grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol) Subject: Re^2: ATM Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL Lines: 35 rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) writes: > 1. TrueType font files are at least 1/3 larger than their Type-1 > equivalents. If you are using a disk compressor, though, be aware > that TrueType fonts will compress, whereas Type-1 fonts will not > (they are encrypted). This isn't entirely true. It is true that TrueType fonts are larger than their ATM counterparts, but ATM fonts *do* get minimal compression. Running Stacker 3.0 report generator, I get: File Type: Compression Ratio: ------------- ------------------ *.TTF (TrueType) 1.4:1.0 *.PFB (ATM) 1.1:1.0 *.PFM (ATM Metric) 11.8:1.0 Although the metric files are small, they compress quite largely. And, as you can see, even the regular .PFB files have *some* compression. So, doing the math on one such comparitive font file: TTF Times = 83260 bytes/1.4 = 59471 bytes (compressed) PFB Times = 51549 bytes/1.1 = 46862 bytes (Compressed) You still win out, even if the ATM Times font *isn't* compressed. Your mileage may vary depending on compression program. -- ""When heroes go down, They go down fast || John M. Grohol, M.S. So don't expect any time to || Center for Psychological Studies Equivocate the past."" || Nova Univ, Ft. Lauderdale, FL - suzanne vega || grohol@novavax.nova.edu ";-1;0 "From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 32 In article dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: Good grief again. Why the anger? I must have really touched a raw nerve. Let's see: I had symptoms that resisted all other treatments. Sporanox totally alleviated them within one week. Hmmm, I must be psychotic. Yesss! That's it - my illness was all in my mind. Thanks Steve for your correct diagnosis - you must have a lot of experience being out there in trenches, treating hundreds of patients a week. Thank you. I'm forever in your debt. Jon (oops, gotta run, the men in white coats are ready to take me away, haha, to the happy home, where I can go twiddle my thumbs, basket weave, and moan about my sinuses.) -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. ";4;1 "From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 30 In article maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: > What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after >you ""feel"" sober? What? Or should I just work with ""If I drink tonight, I >don't ride until tomorrow""? Interesting discussion. I limit myself to *one* 'standard serving' of alcohol if I'm going to ride. And mostly, unless the alcohol is something special (fine ale, good wine, or someone else's vsop), I usually just don't drink *any*. But then alcohol just isn't really important to me, mainly for financial reasons... At least one of the magazines claims to follow the aviation guideline of ""no alcohol whatsoever"" within 24hrs of riding a 'company' bike. Don't remember which mag though, it was a few years ago. Regards, Charles (hicc.) DoD:0.001 RZ350 -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person ";-1;0 "From: ROGOSCHP@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA (Are we having Fun yet ???) Subject: VGA monitors and the mac LC series of computers Organization: University of Regina Lines: 9 I recall reading that the Mac LC (and presumably the LC II & III) can use stand ard VGA monitors, with appropriate cable adapters. I am uncertain of this sinc e I have asked other people who say this is not so. So can all vga monitors be used on the Mac LC? What are the specs needed for a PC monitor to work with a Mac LC (horizontal nad vertical frequencies)? ";-1;0 "From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted Lines: 51 Nntp-Posting-Host: able.mkt.3com.com frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes: >Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote: >& >& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which >& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less >& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction >& in certain markets which makes it commercially viable. It's not sold >& in the US where it is unneeded and unwanted. >& >& As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will >& still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are >& very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the >& annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect. >The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which >means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less Nope, it's 24 lbs. lightrer than the 900. >power. And less brakes. A single disk that is quite impressive. WIth two fingers on the lever, much to Beth's horror I lifted the rear wheel about 8"" in a fine Randy Mamola impression. ;{> >As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will >still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are I have a feeling that it's going to be fast enough that Beth will give a few liter bike riders fits in the future. >very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the The steering locks are adjustable. >annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect. Beth sees fine out of them... I see 2/3 of them filled with black leather. ********************************************************************* '86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady Tom Dietrich '72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport-For sale DoD # 055 '79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat AMA #524245 Queued for an M900!! FSSNOC #1843 Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!* 1KSPT=17.28% Ma Bell (408) 764-5874 Cool as a rule, but sometimes... e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM (H. Lewis) Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this. ********************************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel McCoy) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm Reply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Organization: I-NET Inc. Lines: 52 In article 1r3fe2INN10d@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE, markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof) writes: |>In article <1quh74$r71@irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de>, beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) writes: |>|> |>|> In article , thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) writes: |>|> |> >Hey guys! |>|> |> >I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname |>|> |> >to be in a title of Xterm when it's open and a machine name only |>|> |> >when it's closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear |>|> |> >as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed. |>|> |> >How can I do it? |>|> |> Almost all window managers (twm, mwm, olwm and their derivates) support |>|> |> escape sequences for it. For your purpose put following into your |>|> |> .login (if you're using csh or tcsh), for sh you have to modify it. |>|> |> |>|> |> if ( ""$term"" == ""xterm"" ) then |>|> |> echo ""^[]2;${LOGNAME}@${HOST}^G^[]1;${HOST}^G"" |>|> |> endif |>|> 1) This is NOT a feature of the Window Manager but of xterm. |>|> 2) This sequences are NOT ANSI compatible, are they ? |>|> Does anyone know IF there are compatible sequences for this and what they |>|> are ? I would think they are DCS (device control sequence) introduced, |>|> but may be a CSI sequence exists, too ? |>|> This MUST work on a dxterm (VT and ANSI compatible), it may not work |>|> on xterms. |>It works on xterms. At least I have no problem with it. - Back to the original |>question: |> |>I usually start new xterms by selecting the proper menu entry in my desktop |>menu. Here is a sample command: |> |> xterm -sl 999 -n ls12i -title ls12i -e rlogin ls12i & |> |>The -n and -title options give the text for window and icon. As I use the |>tcsh (a wonderful extension of the csh), I can do the following: |> |>I have an |> |> alias precmd echo -n '^[]2\;${HOST}:$cwd^G' |> |>in my ~/.tcshrc. This is a special alias for tvtwm. It is executed each time |>before printing the prompt. So, I have the current host name and the current |>directory path in the title bar of my xterms. Have you gotten an answer yet? Using your variables, this is what I would do: xterm -T ""$HOST - $LOGNAME"" -n ""$HOST"" --- Daniel J. McCoy |=> SPACE <=| I-NET, Inc. NASA Mail Code PT4 |=> IS <=| TEL: 713-483-0950 NASA/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR <=| FAX: 713-244-5698 Houston, Texas 77058 |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov ";-1;0 "From: jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) Subject: Afterlife Organization: Social Science Computing Lines: 23 Here is another way of looking at it. When we die we are released from the arc of time, and able to comprehend our lives in toto. To visit each moment in time sequentially or all at once, but not able to alter the actions thoughts or feelings we had/have/will have in this life. From that perspective, I posit that all will have direct knowledge of God, and be able to recognize at each moment of time wether we were doing what we ought. That the experience of having lived a life far from God will be an eternal torment. That having lived a life of grace, will be an eternal joy. That the resurrection of the body comes not from any physical reconstitution of our present forms, but knowledge of our present forms by our fully cognizant souls. As an Aside: If we were to be restricted for all time to our present form, would you opt for immortality? James Sledd think in n dimensions & listen for the voice of God ";-1;0 "From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: HR 1276 (""A gun law I can live with!"" :-) Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 15 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr15.171601.25930@dg-rtp.dg.com>, meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) writes: > A BILL > > To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and > to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and > to provide for the enforcement of such right. Maybe I'm too ""religious,"" but when I see a bill to ""establish a right,"" I wince. Keep in mind, what the law giveth, the law can taketh away. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... ";-1;0 "From: misra@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Yoda) Subject: Re: Booting from B drive Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger) writes: >I have a 5 1/4"" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from >my 3 1/2"" B drive? (Optimally, the computer would be able to boot >from either A or B, checking them in order for a bootable disk. But >if I have to switch cables around and simply switch the drives so that >it can't boot 5 1/4"" disks, that's OK. Also, boot_b won't do the trick >for me.) >Thanks, > Davebo You can try to get into the setup byt pressing CTRL-ALT-INS or CTRL-ALT-PrintScreen on most PC's. That should give you an option to set regarding the drives to boot from. ";5;1 "From: tom_van_vleck@taligent.com (Tom Van Vleck) Subject: Re: looking for one-way (trap-door, password encryption, etc.) algorithms Organization: - Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Michael Levin wrote: > I am looking for references to algorithms which can be used for > password encryption. I.e., someone has a clear-text word, runs it > through the algorithm, and it becomes some other sequence of symbols. > I want this algorithm to have the property that it is a) next to > impossible to reverse, and b) would take too long to try all possible > words to see which one works (even by use of a high-speed computer). > Please send references or ideas to mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu. The original one-way encryption I put into Multics about 1968 (as suggested by Joe Weizenbaum) was invertible. An Air Force tiger team demonstrated this to me in May 1973. I then asked an expert (who requested anonymity) what I should use instead; the expert's suggestion was to treat the 8-byte password as both key and data for the LUCIFER encryption algorithm, which is similar or identical to DES. This method or something stronger should take care of (a). Issue (b) is discussed in comp.security.misc: longer passwords and quality control on what users can choose as passwords are the common tactics. tom_vanvleck@taligent.com ";16;1 "From: wynblatt@sbgrad5.cs.sunysb.edu (Michael Wynblatt) Subject: Dumb Fans (Was Re: Indians Woofing) Keywords: woofing Nntp-Posting-Host: sbgrad5 Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 22 In article <795.2bcc3ee1@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> letizia@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes: >Do you mean just like Reds' fans? Have you listened to WLW anytime they open >up the lines for fans to call? Talk about clueless idiots! The broadcasters >are just as bad too. > >JL The New York talk shows are just awful in this regard. People are constantly calling WFAN and WABC with (stuff like) ""I was thinking, why don't the Yankees trade Kaminicki and Silvestri to Seattle for Ken Griffey Jr and Randy Johnson, that would really help the team"" or ""Do you think the Yankees can get Roger Clemens?"". The show hosts are pretty good about handling these guys, but it's still annoying. The best one was at the end of one show, a caller started out with ""I was thinking, why don't the Yankees trade for..."" and then the host hung up on him. I cheered! Michael ";-1;0 "From: taylor@mail (Tim Taylor) Subject: Re: PKUNZIP2.04g Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP Lines: 12 Organization: Loral Data Systems In article <1pn6tr$l70@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU> kenneth@dekalb.DC.PeachNet.EDU (Kenneth Palmertree) writes: Hey, Does anyone know of an ftp site where I can get pkunzip2.04g from. I tried using archie with no such luck. This version of pkunzip is suppose to correct some promblems when using pkunzip within windows. Thanks in advance! :-) you can get pk.... from ftp.cica.indiana.edu ";-1;0 "From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 13 In article <1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: #The better question should be. #Why not transfer O&M of all birds to a separate agency with continous funding #to support these kind of ongoing science missions. Since we don't have the money to keep them going now, how will changing them to a seperate agency help anything? -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w ";2;1 "From: kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) Subject: Glutamate Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article sher@bbn.com (Lawrence D. Sher) writes: > From the N.E.J.Med. editorial: ""The dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate > is not only an essential amino acid ... Glutamate is not an essential amino acid. People can survive quite well without ever eating any. -- Keith Lynch, kfl@access.digex.com f p=2,3:2 s q=1 x ""f f=3:2 q:f*f>p!'q s q=p#f"" w:q p,?$x\8+1*8 ";-1;0 "From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work?? Organization: your service Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com I've seen several references to split- or separate-beam radars, which I claimed didn't exist. Gotta eat some crow here - I wasn't aware of them. All I really knew was that it can be done with one beam. I believe the rest of what I said is accurate, though. Mmmmmmm....crow.... (oops-wrong group) ";-1;0 "From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Leafs versus Wings Lines: 46 Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada How long can the Leafs play short-handed and still be expected to score? They did some fine penely-killing in the first (2 men down for a couple of minutes at one point) but they just couldn't keep it up. They spent virtually the entire game either short-handed or just coming off a penelty -- as soon as they'd get re-grouped, they're penalized again! Sheesh -- like Gilmour said after the 1st -- you can't go calling every little push an shove in a game like that. And if you're going to, you have to do it for both teams. Pearson (one of my four favorite Leafs) played like a bonehead -- I saw him personally screw up at least 2 good scoring opportunities, and then he got that *bonehead* 5-minute major high-sticking penalty. Cullen has gotten stronger since his return from injury a hand-full of games ago and he played a good game. If the other players on his line can smarten up, that line should do okay. Clark's got to get tough -- he's got to intimidate and go for the net. Send Clark up the left wing over the blue line a couple times... his patented wrist shot will put some numbers on the board... and Pearson... heck, maybe he should be benched. I hate to repeat Grapes, but where the heck was Foligno? Zezel can't do all the checking himself -- and get MacLlwain on the move... we need some speed out there! Keep Potvin in net, he did okay considering... although (like I said a couple weeks ago) Potvin messed up in a couple games in the AHL playoffs last year -- he can easily do it again. My prediction last week was Toronto in 7 -- that the games DET wins will be blow-outs and the game TOR wins will be close -- I still stand by that. Don't fret, Leafs fans, in order to win in 7, the other team has to win 3! :-) Burns is going to make some magic -- he'll mix up some lines. Match the Wings line-per-line. He'll have his team checking hard, and he'll never let them get out-numbered in their own end. The Leafs will win Wednesday night... and will take 1 or their home games (probably the first one). Stephen LEAF Legge SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca ";-1;0 "From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi) Subject: PBS Frontline: Iran and the bomb Nntp-Posting-Host: ic17.ee.umanitoba.ca Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada Lines: 75 I would like to share with netters a few points I picked up from the PBS Frontline program regarding Iran's nuclear activities, aired on Tuesday April 13. For the sake of brevity, I'll present them in some separate points. 1- As many other western programs, this program was laid on a bed of misinformation throughout the program, to maximize the effect of the program on the viewer. Some of the misinformations were as follows: - It was alleged that:"" Late Imam Khomeini objected to Shah's technological advancements as anti-Islamic, but now things have changed and the proof of change is that some Iranian merchants are now selling personal computers. ""! These are the most ridiculous lies, one can make about the objectives of the Islamic Revolution in toppling the Shah and state of the technology in Iran after revolution. -Iran was equally accused of using chemical weapons against Iraqi aggressors while there has never been any proof in this regard, and nobody has seen Iraqi soldiers or civilians injured by Iranian chemical weapons, in contrary to what the whole world has seen about Iranian soldiers and civilians, injured by Iraqi chemical weapons. - While the number of martyrs during the sacred defense against Iraqi aggression has been officially announced to be about 117,000 and even most radical counter-revolutionary groups claim that Iran and Iraq had a total of one million dead, this program claims that Iran alone has one million dead left from the war. - The translation of Iranian officials' talks are not 100% true. For example when Iranian head of Atomic Energy says that: "" It hurts me to see that Iran is the subject of these unfriendly propaganda."" The translator says: "" It hurts to see that Iran is doing unfriendly research.""! 2- Almost all alleged devices or material bought or planned to be bought by Iranians were of countless dual usage, while the program tries to undermine their non-military uses, without any reference to Iran's big population and its inevitable need to other sources of energy in near future and its current deficit in electrical power. 3- The whole program is trying to show the Sharif University of Technology as a nuclear research center, while even the cameramen of the program know well that in a country like Iran without a so tightly closed society no one can make a nuclear bomb in a university! Taking in account the scientific advancement of Sharif U. in engineering fields and its potential role in improvement of Iran's industries and eventually the lives of people, it is obvious that they are persuading other countries to prevent them from further helping this university or other ones in scientific and industrial efforts. 4- A key point in program's justifications is trying to disvalidate as much as possible all efforts done by IAEA [*] in their numerous visits from Iran's different sites. They say: ""We are not sure if the places visited by IAEA are the real ones or not"" !, or "" We can not rely on IAEA's reports and observation, because they failed to see Iraq's nuclear activities before"" as if they didn't know that Iraq was trying to build nuclear weapons! 5- As an extremely personal opinion, the most disgusting aspect of the program was the arrogance of the member of US Senate foreign Affairs, William Triplet, in his way of talking, as if he was the god talking from the absolute knowledge! I hope all Iranians be aware of the gradual buildup against their country in western media, and I hope Iranian authorities continue to their wise and calculated approach with regard to international affairs and peaceful coexistence with friendly nations. Mohammad [*] International Atomic Energy Agency ";-1;0 "From: schietke@unitas.or.uni-bonn.de (Juergen Schietke) Subject: DIN-Fonts Organization: Research Institute for Discrete Mathematics, Bonn Distribution: de Lines: 25 Hello everybody, I hope that I insert the right Options, so that my question is only distributed through out Germany, because my question is more or less country dependend. Now the question: Is there anybody who can tell my if (and of course where) there is a ftp-site/archie (or whatever) where DIN fonts for X are available. I am looking for fonts holding the specification: DIN 16 DIN 6776 DIN V 40950 Thanks in advance Juergen Schietke Research Insitute for Discrete Mathematics University of Bonn Nassestr. 2 5300 Bonn 1 (Germany) Tel: +49 0228 738786 E-Mail: schietke@or.uni-bonn.de ";-1;0 "From: wallich@NCD.COM (Ken Wallich) Subject: Re: Aerostitch: 1- or 2-piece? Distribution: rec Organization: If I were organized, why would I be reading News? Lines: 49 Nntp-Posting-Host: verbosa In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: % % Request for opinions: % % Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch? % Like most everyone else, I ended up getting two different sizes for the top and bottom. My top is a 46L and the bottom is a 48L. For the bottom, the waist is far too large, but the thighs fit just right (the 46 had a better waist, but cut off the circulation in my legs, I have large, muscular thighs, and no, I didn't use the thighmaster to get them :-). The jacket fits me ok in the chest, slightly snug at the waist, and too small in the arms. I can't imagine finding a one-piece size that would have fit correctly, as even the 2 piece has it's problems (strange, since my V-Pilot jacket fits great all over, and when I tried the matching pants, they fit like a glove as well). I can only assume the models Aero Design uses to design its suits are in some way different from us real folks. Also, even though it's related to convienience, you look pretty damn wierd walking around with the tops and bottoms while running errands. I've gotten some really suspicious looks, and sweated a lot while in a store wearing the whole suit, since you can't fit the top and bottom in any motorcycle storage device yet devised (except the trunk in my sidecar rig :-). With the two piece, I unzip the pants (I generally leave the two pieces zipped together, primarily because the pants fall down unless I pull the cheesy elastic belt-type band real tight), stuff them in one of my spacious BMW saddlebags (the pants just fit), and run errands just wearing the jacket. Actually, if I know I'll be running errands, I just wear my V-Pilot jacket, but that's just me... As far as crash protection, I'd say that both suits are probably equal. It seems that for weather protection, if anything the 2 piece provides a little more because of the jacket overlapping the pants by 3 inches. The 2 piece is probably a little less comfortable around the waist, just because of the extra layer of stuff, but maybe not. So I'd have to vote for the two piece. Despite the slightly odd fit, I still find the suit the most versatile piece of riding clothing I own. Wouldn't go long distance without it. Ken Wallich ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken -- Ken Wallich ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken ";-1;0 "From: gweil@ibeam.intel.com (Garry Weil) Subject: Monitor recommendation Needed Summary: Which one larger than 14""? Organization: Multimedia Software Technology Group Lines: 16 I have finally decided to update my SE :-)). I am planning on buying a Centris 610-8/230 CD. Now, what monitor should I get? Here are a few guidelines: My wife uses PageMaker occasionally, I use Excel sometimes and I do alot of Telecommuting from home to work. We both do Word processing. Greater than 14 inches. I have looked at the Radius Color Pivot. This can be bought for under $1000. I have heard good things about the E-Machines T-16, the older model not the new T-16 II. How about the Super Mac 17T? These both can be had for a little over $1000. Any others?? Garry ";-1;0 "From: iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos Iacovou) Subject: Re: WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE SERBIAN-GREEK CONNECTION.... Nntp-Posting-Host: gurney.cs.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 26 In <1993Apr13.070905.26124@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton.ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) writes: >First of all I have to reiterate that your terminology in describing >the events of 1974 are extremely ""misleading"". Cyprus is NOT occupied >by Turkish forces it was invited by Turkish Cypriots and ""intervened"" Oh....I see...I didn't realize this... I think that perhaps you should print flyers on this topic, and your reasons for thinking the way you do. You should then distribute them amongst the world's population. You see, I don't think there are many people who are aware of this fact. Thank you for telling us the truth. BTW: I would start by sending your flyers to each of the UN officials. Also, after you have distributed your flyers you might consider hiding. You see, I think that once more people read what you think they will have to lock you up in a mental institute; and don't think they will ever let you out. It is a strange strange world you live in. I feel sorry for you. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neophytos Iacovou University of Minnesota email: iacovou@cs.umn.edu Computer Science Department ...!rutgers!umn-cs!iacovou ";-1;0 "From: carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 20 Distribution: ca NNTP-Posting-Host: beowulf.jpl.nasa.gov In article <15377@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >I'm sick of it. This continual effort to inflame the passions >of Americans by playing every trial as completely sexist, racist, >or gay-bashing, when the realities are seldom this simple. This >is what happens when a society becomes tied up in ideologies. I have come to the conclusion that the TV stations here in LA WANT a riot to happen when the verdict comes in. In a not so subtle way they are preparing their audience for the worst and even going so far as to want SOMETHING to happen for their viewers with all their commercials and their ""we are ready for anything so watch US"" messages... carlos. ""I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race"" - Abraham Lincoln ...ames!elroy!jpl-devvax!{beowulf|pituco}!carlos ";-1;0 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Lines: 12 From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) You obviously haven't read the information about the system. The chips put out serial number infomation into the cypher stream to allow themselves to be identified. The system does not rely on registering people as owning particular phone units. And probably as a back door to allow re-generation of the secret key. Have we determined yet that S1 and S2 don't ever change? G ";-1;0 "From: tmspence@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas morris spencer) Subject: Are there any Honda groups? Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Distribution: na Lines: 6 Are there any Honda groups out there? Especially ones that deal with Preludes? Tom Spencer ";-1;0 "From: ewl@world.std.com (Erich W Lantz) Subject: >80 col. mail messages in MS Windows editors Keywords: windows editor norton desktop mail Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 31 I have a modest system of aliases/macros that enables me to download mail from a public access UNIX system to my MS-DOS box. I read and reply to the mail with a MS Windows 3.1 based editor. Everything works peachey keen as long as the author of the message has maintained his text at 80 col. max. width. Sometimes I get slightly wider messages that run off-screen, so I have to use the cursor/slider to read the whole thing. I'm using NDW Deskedit mainly, but I've experienced the same prob with all other MS WIndows editors. I've fiddled with word wrap settings in the various editors, but to no avail. I know I'm missing something very basic in editor setup, but what is it? Oh yeah, MS Word for Windows converts everything flawlessly but for what I'm looking for that's like using a tank to crack walnuts. I'd really like to have an editor setup that would display all incoming ASCII files in a readable format to my screen. Thanks in advance, ============================================================ Erich W. Lantz AMA #601821 ewl@world.std.com Distributor of Deflagration #0815 '85 Virago "" Well yer dead now, so shut up! "" - M.P. ============================================================ ";-1;0 "From: venaas@flipper.pvv.unit.no (Stig Venaas) Subject: Re: CAN'T WRITE TO 720 FLOPPY Organization: ProgramVareVerkstedet - UNIT Lines: 31 In article <1qndvd$jhn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> da416@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy Nicola) writes: > >In a previous article, limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com () says: > >>OK all you experts! >>Need answer quick.386 machine ,1.44 floppy ; unable to write to a formated >>720 disk.Machine claims that disk is write protected,but it is not. >> >>Note: It 'll read 720's with no problem. >> >>Please e_mail or post. >> >> >> >> >If the disk is not an HD-type disk, i.e. with the extra hole in the case >opposite the normal write protect hole, the drive will not write to the >disk. You can punch a similar hole with whatever is handy or buy a small >device, a square hole puncher, for about $19.95...see the back pages of >computer shopper magazine for it. > >To be brief, make the hole any way you can or no writing! > >-- >Andy Nicola > Of course you should be able to write a DD 720Kb disk without making any holes. Stig ";-1;0 "From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) Subject: Reasons : was Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 35 Hossien Amehdi writes: >I am not in the business of reading minds, however in this case it would not >be necessary. Israelis top leaders in the past and present, always come across >as arrogant with their tough talks trying to intimidate the Arabs. >The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace >after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons:. > 1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently > most of their leaders are stupid, and/or not independent, and/or > dictators. > 2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising. It's not relevant whether I agree with you or not, there is some reasonable thought in what you say here an I appreciate your point. However, I would make 2 remarks: - you forgot about hate, and this is not only at government level. - It's not only 'arab' governments. Now, about taugh talk and arrogance, we are adults, aren't we ? Do you listen to tough talk of american politicians ? or switch the channel ? I would rather be 'intimidated' by some dummy 'talking tough' then by a bomb ready to blow under my seat in B747. Dorin ";15;1 "From: sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Nntp-Posting-Host: nyis113 Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS Lines: 19 mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes: |> : be valued in terms of money because they are human beings, I submit |> that they are not human beings. Such submissions have been made before, e.g. regarding Jews. In article <1993Apr21.042234.23924@nuscc.nus.sg>, matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes: |> Absolutely. A scratch on my car bothers me more than the death of any |> number of scum. All of you feel the same way---you just won't admit it. |> When are people going to realise that the mere fact that a piece of flesh |> moves and has the approximate shape of a human being does not in itself |> mean that it has ""rights""? All you Dirty Harry types, eager to pull a gun on some scum guilty of scratching your stupid painted metal boxes on wheels : have you ever KILLED a human to speak so lightly about such matters ? Sergei ";-1;0 "From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco. Organization: sgi Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1993Apr3.153552.4334@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>, acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes: |> In article <1pint5$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes > > Well, Germany was hardly the ONLY country to discriminate against the > Jews, although it has the worst reputation because it did the best job > of expressing a general European dislike of them. This should not turn > into a debate on antisemitism, but you should also point out that Luther's > antiSemitism was based on religious grounds, while Hitler's was on racial > grounds, and Wagnmer's on aesthetic grounds. Just blanketing the whole > group is poor analysis, even if they all are bigots. I find these to be intriguing remarks. Could you give us a bit more explanation here? For example, which religion is anti-semitic, and which aesthetic? jon. ";-1;0 "From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: What WAS the immaculate conception Organization: none Lines: 21 maxwell c muir writes: Just a quick question. If Mary was Immaculately concieved, so she could be a pure vessel, does this mean that she was without sin and, therefore, the perfect (meaning sinless) female human being? Is this why she is held so highly in the Catholic Church despite it's basically patriarchical structure? She was immaculately conceived, and so never subject to Original Sin, but also never committed a personal sin in her whole life. This was possible because of the special degree of grace granted to her by God. She is regarded so highly because of her special relationship to God, and everything that flows from that relationship. The Catholic Church sees her as the new Eve. (The Fathers in the early Church use this particular figure a lot.) Eve is the mother of all the living in a genetic sense. Mary is the mother of all the living in the order of grace. As sin came through Eve, so Grace -- Jesus Christ -- came through Mary. ";-1;0 "From: franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione) Subject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage) Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 27 maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes: >>The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit >>Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3. Can someone who is not >>part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game >>really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for >>Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for >>Gilmour). If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever >>biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the >>Red Wings win? >Ah yes. California. Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that >Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired >San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston? Apparently Montana is not only >coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be >expected to quarterback the powerplay. Good comeback, Rog. Your quick wit and intelligence continues to amaze everyone. -- John Franjione Department of Chemical Engineering University of Colorado, Boulder franjion@spot.colorado.edu ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Toxoplasmosis Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 33 In article <1240002@isoit109.BBN.HP.COM> sude@isoit109.BBN.HP.COM (#Susanne Denninger) writes: > >1. How dangerous is it ? From whom is it especially dangerous ? > Dangerous only to immune suppressed persons and fetuses. To them, it is extremely dangerous. Most of the rest of us have already had it and it isn't dangerous at all. >2. How is it transmitted (I read about raw meat and cats, but I'd like to > have more details) ? > Cat feces are the worst. Pregnant women should never touch the litter box. >3. What can be done to prevent infection ? > Cook your meat. Watch it with pets. >4. What are the symptoms and long-term effects ? > You'll have to read up on it. >5. What treatments are availble ? > There is an effective antibiotic that can keep it in check. Of course, it can't reverse damage already done, such as in a fetus. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (here we go again.....) X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 92 In article <1993Apr12.171250.486@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >In article erc@netcom.com (Eric Smith) writes: >> >>SCSI is better because it has a better future, and it has a lot of >>minor advantages right now. IDE cards are cheaper right now, but will >>be obsolete in a few years. (In fact, IDE cards are so cheap, they >>might as well be free. The real cost is in the IDE drives.) SCSI >>cards cost more, but they are worth it. > >I almost got a hernia laughing at this one. You'll probably get one when you realize that your $100 vesa super dooper local bus ultra high tech controller sucks... >If anything, SCSI (on a PC) will be obsolete-> killed off by Vesa Local With any luck PC bus archeitecture will be doen any with by sbus. Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system >Bus IDE. It must be real nice to get shafted by $20-$100 bucks for the >extra cost of a SCSI drive, then pay another $200-$300 for a SCSI controller. Maybe my workstation doesn't understand what your vesa local bus IDE is Vesa local bus will be killed off by pcmi? whatever intels spec is. VLBUS it not good for much more than vga cards. To each his own. I'll laugh when you start crying over how much you spent for your 2 little ide drives and then finding out you need more space. > >>The biggest advantage of SCSI right now is that you can add more >>different kinds of devices, such as tapes, etc., easily, and can add >>bigger disks. The best and most cost effective hard disks available >>are SCSI. Here Here.... > >Only of you need drives larger then 500 meg. Oh yes, gotta have 10 megs/sec >transfer rate for those speedy tape backups and cd rom drives. don't stick your foot in your mouth when you make a statement you know nothing about. I'd rather wait a second compared to the 5 minutes and ide would take. (obviously exaggerated). Have you ever tried to backup 2 gigs of disk? Oh I forgot you can't because you have an ide and no one makes ide disks that big. > >Basically, if a person *has* to ask which one is better for him/her, >then they will *probably* never see the EXPENSIVE benefits from SCSI. I guess you probably bought a 486sx too > >Also, all this arm-waving about SCSI expandability is a moot point if >the user only has one or two drives on it. And with SCSI those two >drives *may* be fast, but that speed is only due to the onboard memory >cache -> something I can duplicate with a caching IDE controller. What? The SCSI-2 FAST,WIDE spec has much more bandwidth than any stupid vlbus ide crap.... Stop this thread now, Its just cluttering up bandwidth. If you want to read about scsi vs ide just pay a visit to you local usenet archive. the best SCSI-2 FAST,WIDE,etc is clearly faster than any the best ide drive. All the response given are based upon personal experience with 1 or 2 drives. You can't judge such completely different interfaces. IDE has the low cost adavantage + a descent performance. SCSI has the ability for super high capacity expandibility and speed. neither one is better in all cases. If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa busmastering cards. send flames to /dev/null..... -- ********************************************************************* * Scott Mace internet: smace@nyx.cs.du.edu * * emace@tenet.edu * ********************************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) Subject: Dmm Advice Needed Lines: 28 AllMartin EmdeDMM Advice Needed ME>From: mce5921@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Martin Emde) ME>Organization: Boeing ME> ME>I an currely in the market for a DMM and recently saw an add ME>for a Kelvin 94 ($199). Does anyone own one of these or some ME>other brand that they are extremely happy with. How do the ME>small name brands compare with the Fluke and Beckman brands? ME>I am willing to spend ~$200 for one. ME> ME>Any help is greatly appreciated. (please email) ME> ME>-Martin If you are going to use one where it counts (eg:aviation, space scuttle, etc) then I suggest you go and buy a Fluke (never seen a Beckman), however for every other use you can buy a cheapie. I have a metex which is some made up name, as I have seen the same DMM with other brand names on it, I bought it about 4 yrs ago for Aus$125.00 (convert that to US and you see that it's definetly a cheapie.) So far it has proved to be accurate, taken moderate abuse, and has many features on it (CAP, FREQ,Transistor check, etc). I am very happy with it and would definetly not buy a fluke just for the name. Hope this helps. Cheers Peter T. ";-1;0 "Subject: Diffs to sci.space/sci.astro Frequently Asked Questions From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Expires: 6 May 1993 19:50:16 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Supersedes: NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Lines: 294 Archive-name: space/diff DIFFS SINCE LAST FAQ POSTING (IN POSTING ORDER) (These are hand-edited context diffs; do not attempt to use them to patch old copies of the FAQ). =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.intro *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06400 Thu Apr 1 14:47:22 1993 --- FAQ.intro Thu Apr 1 14:46:55 1993 *************** *** 101,107 **** NASA Langley (Technical Reports) NASA Spacelink National Space Science Data Center - Space And Planetary Image Facility Space Telescope Science Institute Electronic Info. Service Starcat Astronomical Databases --- 101,106 ---- *************** *** 130,135 **** --- 129,135 ---- LLNL ""great exploration"" Lunar Prospector Lunar science and activities + Orbiting Earth satellite histories Spacecraft models Rocket propulsion Spacecraft design =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.net *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06405 Thu Apr 1 14:47:24 1993 --- FAQ.net Thu Apr 1 14:46:57 1993 *************** *** 58,63 **** --- 58,67 ---- elements are sent out on the list from Dr. Kelso, JSC, and other sources as they are released. Email to elements-request@telesoft.com to join. + GPS Digest is a moderated list for discussion of the Global Positioning + System and other satellite navigation positioning systems. Email to + gps-request@esseye.si.com to join. + Space-investors is a list for information relevant to investing in space-related companies. Email Vincent Cate (vac@cs.cmu.edu) to join. *************** *** 223,227 **** --- 227,241 ---- 1030. If in fact you should should learn of unauthorized access, contact NASA personnel. + Claims have been made on this news group about fraud and waste. None + have ever been substantiated to any significant degree. Readers + detecting Fraud, Waste, Abuse, or Mismanagement should contact the NASA + Inspector General (24-hours) at 800-424-9183 (can be anonymous) or write + + NASA + Inspector General + P.O. Box 23089 + L'enfant Plaza Station + Washington DC 20024 NEXT: FAQ #3/15 - Online (and some offline) sources of images, data, etc. =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.data *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06410 Thu Apr 1 14:47:26 1993 --- FAQ.data Thu Apr 1 14:46:54 1993 *************** *** 216,237 **** Telephone: (301) 286-6695 Email address: request@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov - - - SPACE AND PLANETARY IMAGE FACILITY - - Available 24 hours a day via anonymous FTP from pioneer.unm.edu. Has - approximately 150 CD-ROM's full of imagery, raw, and tabular data. To - start, get the file: - - pioneer.unm.edu:pub/info/beginner-info - - This will hopefully give you all of the information you need to get data - from their machine. beginner-info has been translated to other - languages, you should look inside pub/info for the particular language - that meets your needs. - - Contact help@pioneer.unm.edu. SPACE TELESCOPE SCIENCE INSTITUTE ELECTRONIC INFORMATION SERVICE --- 216,221 ---- =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.math *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06415 Thu Apr 1 14:47:28 1993 --- FAQ.math Thu Apr 1 14:46:56 1993 *************** *** 60,65 **** --- 60,71 ---- Gives series to compute positions accurate to 1 arc minute for a period + or - 300 years from now. Pluto is included but stated to have an accuracy of only about 15 arc minutes. + + _Multiyear Interactive Computer Almanac_ (MICA), produced by the US + Naval Observatory. Valid for years 1990-1999. $55 ($80 outside US). + Available for IBM (order #PB93-500163HDV) or Macintosh (order + #PB93-500155HDV). From the NTIS sales desk, (703)-487-4650. I believe + this is intended to replace the USNO's Interactive Computer Ephemeris. _Interactive Computer Ephemeris_ (from the US Naval Observatory) distributed on IBM-PC floppy disks, $35 (Willmann-Bell). Covers dates =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.references *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06420 Thu Apr 1 14:47:30 1993 --- FAQ.references Thu Apr 1 14:46:59 1993 *************** *** 93,100 **** US Naval Observatory 202-653-1079 (USNO Bulletin Board via modem) 202-653-1507 General - 202-653-1545 Nautical Almanac Office (info on the Interactive - Computer Ephemeris) Willmann-Bell P.O. Box 35025 --- 93,98 ---- *************** *** 138,151 **** SDI's SSRT (Single Stage Rocket Technology) project has funded a suborbital technology demonstrator called DC-X that should fly in mid-1993. Further development towards an operational single-stage to ! orbit vehicle is uncertain at present; for considerably more detail on ! the SSRT program, get the document ! ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/DeltaClipper ! by anonymous FTP or through the email server. HOW TO NAME A STAR AFTER A PERSON Official names are decided by committees of the International --- 136,151 ---- SDI's SSRT (Single Stage Rocket Technology) project has funded a suborbital technology demonstrator called DC-X that should fly in mid-1993. Further development towards an operational single-stage to ! orbit vehicle (called Delta Clipper) is uncertain at present. ! An collection of pictures and files relating to DC-X is available by ! anonymous FTP or email server in the directory ! bongo.cc.utexas.edu:pub/delta-clipper + Chris W. Johnson (chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu) maintains the archive. + HOW TO NAME A STAR AFTER A PERSON Official names are decided by committees of the International *************** *** 223,228 **** --- 223,236 ---- University Press, 1970. Information about the Lunar Orbiter missions, including maps of the coverage of the lunar nearside and farside by various Orbiters. + + + ORBITING EARTH SATELLITE HISTORIES + + A list of Earth orbiting satellites (that are still in orbit) is + available by anonymous FTP in: + + ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/Satellites SPACECRAFT MODELS =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.addresses *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06435 Thu Apr 1 14:47:34 1993 --- FAQ.addresses Thu Apr 1 14:46:51 1993 *************** *** 75,80 **** --- 75,85 ---- the latter, an SF 171 is useless. Employees are Caltech employees, contractors, and for the most part have similar responsibilities. They offer an alternative to funding after other NASA Centers. + + A fact sheet and description of JPL is available by anonymous + FTP in + + ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/JPLDescription NASA Johnson Manned Space Center (JSC) Houston, TX 77058 =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.new_probes *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06450 Thu Apr 1 14:47:38 1993 --- FAQ.new_probes Thu Apr 1 14:46:58 1993 *************** *** 8,13 **** --- 8,19 ---- team, ISAS/NASDA launch schedules, press kits. + ASUKA (ASTRO-D) - ISAS (Japan) X-ray astronomy satellite, launched into + Earth orbit on 2/20/93. Equipped with large-area wide-wavelength (1-20 + Angstrom) X-ray telescope, X-ray CCD cameras, and imaging gas + scintillation proportional counters. + + CASSINI - Saturn orbiter and Titan atmosphere probe. Cassini is a joint NASA/ESA project designed to accomplish an exploration of the Saturnian system with its Cassini Saturn Orbiter and Huygens Titan Probe. Cassini *************** *** 98,115 **** MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire ! surface at high resolution. Currently (11/92) in mapping cycle 4, ! collecting a global gravity map. MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m/pixel resolution camera. ! Launched 9/24/92 on a Titan III/TOS booster. MO is currently (3/93) in transit to Mars, arriving on 8/24/93. Operations will start 11/93 for one martian year (687 days). ! TOPEX/Poseidon - Joint US/French Earth observing satellite, launched in ! August 1992 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the TOPEX/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global observations of the sea level for several years, substantially increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also --- 104,121 ---- MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire ! surface at high resolution. Currently (4/93) collecting a global gravity ! map. MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m/pixel resolution camera. ! Launched 9/25/92 on a Titan III/TOS booster. MO is currently (4/93) in transit to Mars, arriving on 8/24/93. Operations will start 11/93 for one martian year (687 days). ! TOPEX/Poseidon - Joint US/French Earth observing satellite, launched ! 8/10/92 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the TOPEX/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global observations of the sea level for several years, substantially increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also =================================================================== diff -t -c -r1.18 FAQ.astronaut *** /tmp/,RCSt1a06465 Thu Apr 1 14:47:43 1993 --- FAQ.astronaut Thu Apr 1 14:46:52 1993 *************** *** 162,174 **** specific standards: Distant visual acuity: ! 20/100 or better uncorrected, correctable to 20/20, each eye. Blood pressure: 140/90 measured in sitting position. ! 3. Height between 60 and 76 inches. Pilot Astronaut Candidate: --- 162,174 ---- specific standards: Distant visual acuity: ! 20/150 or better uncorrected, correctable to 20/20, each eye. Blood pressure: 140/90 measured in sitting position. ! 3. Height between 58.5 and 76 inches. Pilot Astronaut Candidate: ";2;1 "From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay) Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe?? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 37 tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com (Tommy Szeto) writes: >Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe. Every >once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water >under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk. I would guess this usually happens >after a good thunder storm. A few Qs: >1) Is this a common problem? Yes this is a common problem. The leaks occur through the seal of the taillights. Unfortunately, Ford has this with Most Probes and does not have a recall for it. Very dissatisfying to say the least. >2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch? There is no drain holes that I know of. I used a margine tub to drain it Regretably I waited three months as I was short cash and they wouldn't fix it under warrantee. Then I paid dearly as it messed up my electrical system including a balance/motion sensor which is located near the fuel shutoff in the trunk. This resulted in my passive restraints malfunctioning--they would not retract. So I ended up paying about $200 to have the sensor replaced; $90 to have the tail lights resealed (they firts replaced the hatch gasket which I insisted was not the problem so they did not charge me for that when I proved to be right.); not to mention the water damage to the covers to the trunk/spare com partment and algae in the taillights. very annoying. Don't let the water problem go--get it fixed or you'll pay more later. Considering how common a problem it is I hope every one complains to Ford. >Thanks for any info. >Tom >-- >Tom Szeto ""No! Not those peanuts! The ones on the >tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com bottom....ggnuuaahuuhh"" >#include - Homer Simpson ";10;1 "From: apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr15.161737.28377@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: > > In article 1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi, hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi () writes: >>In article <1993Apr14.174139.6604@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >>> >>> >>> +/- is a good stat because it is the only stat that I am aware of that >>> takes into account defensive play. It isn't a measure of defensive >>> play- it takes into account offense and defence- all aspects of play. >> >> If we are interested of real all-round players, the power play stats >> should be considered, too. Because the power play is also one aspect >> of play! There is still something to be done with these player evaluation >> tools!! > > IMO any good player should score on power plays because of the man > advantage. Very good power play scorers tend to become overrated > because their point totals are inflated by power play points. > +/- tends to expose these overrated players such as Brett Hull, > John Cullen and Dave Andreychuck. > > Given the opportunity to play power play consistently, any player can > inflate his totals. > > Gregmeister Except for Vancouver, of course. Bure has a hard time scoring on that power play. He's got 7 shorthanded goals and 13 pp goals I think! ";-1;0 "From: kai_h@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Kai Howells) Subject: Re: Ray tracer for ms-dos? Organization: University of Tasmania Lines: 33 In article <1r1cqiINNje8@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) wrote: > > > Sorry for the repeat of this request, but does anyone know of a good > free/shareware program with which I can create ray-traces and save > them as bit-mapped files? (Of course if there is such a thing =) > > Thanks in advance > > Daemon PPPPP OOOOO V V Persistance Of Vision Raytracer. P P O O V V P P O O V V PPPPP O O V V P O O V V P O O V V P OOOOO V Available on archie and wuarchive in graphics type directories. PS It's freeware. -- _/_/_/ _/ Kai Howells. _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ kai_h@postoffice.utas.edu.au _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ 35 Mortimer Ave _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ New Town TAS 7008 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Ph. Within Australia 002 286 110 _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Elsewhere: +61 02 286 110 ";-1;0 "From: korenek@ferranti.com (gary korenek) Subject: Re: 80486DX-50 vs 80486DX2-50 Organization: Network Management Technology Inc. Lines: 26 In article <1qd5bcINNmep@golem.wcc.govt.nz> hamilton@golem.wcc.govt.nz (Michael Hamilton) writes: >I have definitly seen a >mother board with 2 local bus slots which claimed to be able to >support any CPU, including the DX2/66 and DX50. Can someone throw >some more informed light on this issue? >[...] >Michael Hamilton Some motherboards support VL bus and 50-DX CPU. There is an option (BIOS I think) where additional wait(s) can be added with regard to CPU/VL bus transactions. This slows the CPU down to a rate that gives the VL bus device(s) time to 'do their thing'. These particular wait(s) are applied when the CPU transacts with VL bus device(s). You want to enable these wait(s) only if you are using a 50-DX with VL bus devices. This is from reading my motherboard manual, and these are my interpre- tations. Your mileage may vary. Strictly speaking, VL and 50mhz are not compatable. And, there is at least one 'fudge' mechanism to physically allow it to work. -- Gary Korenek (korenek@ferranti.com) Network Management Technology Incorporated (formerly Ferranti International Controls Corp.) Sugar Land, Texas (713)274-5357 ";-1;0 "From: steve.dunham@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (STEVE LEE DUNHAM) Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... Lines: 18 Organization: The University of Utah Distribution: usa >While not exactly a service incident, I had a similar experience recently >when I bought a new truck. > >I had picked out the vehicle I wanted and after a little haggling we >agreed on a price. I wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax >and license and told them I'd be back that evening to pick up the truck. >When I returned, I had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could >get to me. When I finally got in there, everything went smoothly until he >started adding up the numbers. He then discovered that they had >miscalculated the tax & license by about $150. This seems to be a popular scam with dealers. Last month my brother bought a new Audi 90 series quatro from a local dealer. They came back with the final price, tax and all, and he added it up for himself. There happened to be an extra $300 tagged on under the tax part. He pointed out their error and asked them to re-think their addition. They came back with the right price the next time. ";-1;0 "From: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips) Subject: Re: Armed Citizen - April '93 Nntp-Posting-Host: hound Reply-To: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com Organization: ""Intergraph Electronics, Mountain View, CA"" Distribution: usa Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr13.162304.16721@lds.loral.com>, kendall@lds.loral.com (Colin Kendall 6842) writes: |> In article <1993Apr5.164728.10847@dazixco.ingr.com> crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com writes: |> > |> >THE ARMED CITIZEN |> >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |> >Mere presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents |> >crime in many instances, as shown by news reports sent to The |> >Armed Citizen. |> |> Perhaps so, but note that of the accounts cited, there was only |> one in which no shot was fired. Of the other twelve, five |> described cases in which the assailant was wounded by a shot, |> and six described cases in which the assailant was killed by a |> shot. And, had not these citizens accepted the moral responsibility to protect their own lives, there could well have been at least 13 innocent victims lying dead and several criminals still out walking the streets perpetrating their crimes on others. -- ************************************************************** * Ron Phillips crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com * * Senior Customer Engineer * * Intergraph Electronics * * 381 East Evelyn Avenue VOICE: (415) 691-6473 * * Mountain View, CA 94041 FAX: (415) 691-0350 * ************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: lioness@oak.circa.ufl.edu Subject: int15h for joysticks is slow.... Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities Lines: 14 Reply-To: LIONESS@ufcc.ufl.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: oak.circa.ufl.edu I'm using int15h to read my joystick, and it is hideously slow. Something like 90% of my CPU time is being spent reading the joystick, and this is in a program that does nothing but printf() and JoyRead(). The problem is that a lot of programs trap int15h ( like SMARTDRV ) and so it is a slow as hell interface. Can I read the joystick port in a reasonably safe fashion via polling? And that isn't platform or clockspeed specific? Thanks, Brianzex ";-1;0 "From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 29 In article , sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes... >In article <1993Apr15.200231.10206@ra.royalroads.ca>, >mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: >> These laws written for the Israelites... >> Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied >> only to God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We >> are living in the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable >> by death. There is repentance and there is salvation through our >> Lord Jesus Christ. And not just for a few chosen people. Salvation >> is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile alike. > >Jews won't agree with you, Malcolm. Which Jews KS? (ex. as a people, as a language, religiously, politically, or...) Do you mean those Jews who are God's chosen? {And Malcolm, please, if you will, set your word wrap at 75 or less to avoid clutter?} | -- J -- | | stephen ";-1;0 "From: brad@ravel.udel.edu (Brad Cain) Subject: Actix GRAPHICSengine 32plus Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 18 I just bought an actix graphics engine 32 plus with 2 megs. I am not impressed... I have been having all sorts of problems with the board. Various lock-ups in windows, problems with the screen not centering, no flexibilty in choosing synch rates for a monitor, buggy windows drivers, lack of 1024x768x64k driver, If anyone else has one of these cards, please e-mail me... Looks like i'm going to try the ati ultra plus... -- **************************************************************************** brad@bach.udel.edu Brad Cain N3NAF cain@snow-white.ee.udel.edu University of Delaware Electrical Engineering cain@freezer.cns.udel.edu ""Blah, blah, blah"" alt.blah ";-1;0 "From: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS) Subject: Re: March for Jesus Reply-To: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 16 The only info I have is my area is not having a large march. They are leaving it up to each congragation. IMO this means organizers found it too difficult to manage or no one feels the need to be involved. I'm not casting stones, my involvement with the Lord does not include the March this year. Maybe He is giving a message by the lack of one?? JLS ============================================================================= Jerry L Storrs, Systems Manager ||| U Got 2 B Tru, Dept of Chemical Engineering ||| U Got 2 B Livin' What U Say U Believe North Carolina State University ||| U Got 2 B Tru, Raleigh, NC 27695 ||| Even when nobody but Jesus is watchin U 919-515-6393 (-3465 FAX) ||| storrs@che.ncsu.edu (preferred) ||| (Steven Curtis Chapman) <>< ||| ============================================================================= ";-1;0 "From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: sgi Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <115468@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: |> In article <1qg79g$kl5@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >You are amazed that I find it difficult to grasp it when |> >people justify death-threats against Rushdie with the |> >claim ""he was born Muslim?"" |> |> This is empty rhetoric. I am amazed at your inability to understand what |> I am saying not that you find it difficult to ""grasp it when people |> justify death-threats..."". I find it amazing that your ability to |> consider abstract questions in isolation. You seem to believe in the |> falsity of principles by the consequence of their abuse. You must *hate* |> physics! You're closer than you might imagine. I certainly despised living under the Soviet regime when it purported to organize society according to what they fondly imagined to be the ""objective"" conclusions of Marxist dialectic. But I don't hate Physics so long as some clown doesn't start trying to control my life on the assumption that we are all interchangeable atoms, rather than individual human beings. jon. ";-1;0 "From: john@goshawk.mcc.ac.uk (John Heaton) Subject: POV reboots PC after memory upgrade Reply-To: john@nessie.mcc.ac.uk Organization: MCC Network Unit Lines: 13 Up until last week, I have been running POVray v1.0 on my 486/33 under DOS5 without any major problems. Over Easter I increased the memory from 4Meg to 8Meg, and found that POVray reboots the system every time under DOS5. I had a go at running POVray in a DOS window when running Win3.1 on the same system and it now works fine, even if a lot slower. I would like to go back to using POVray directly under DOS, anyone any ideas??? John -- John Heaton - NRS Central Administrator MCC Network Unit, The University, Oxford Road, Manchester, M13-9PL Phone: (+44) 61 275 6011 - FAX: (+44) 61 275 6040 Packet: G1YYH @ G1YYH.GB7PWY.#16.GBR.EU ";-1;0 "From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 33 In article <1qt6ooINN7gd@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: > >the only really valid retort to Valentine is: weren't the Red Sox trying >to get Morris too? oh, sure, they *said* Viola was their first choice >afterwards, but what should we have expected they would say? Lou wanted Morris all along. The idiot. Giving the man $40 million to play with is like giving a five year old a loaded Uzi with the safety off. The only question is how many shots he will get off before somebody is wise enough to take it away. >} And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't >} even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th. > >if this is true, it won't be for lack of contribution by Viola, so who cares? I don't see why people expect Boston to finish sixth. The bottom four teams last year were essentially tied. Boston, in seventh place, had 73 wins. The Yankees and Indians, tied for fourth place, had 76 wins. Now I should think it is obvious that the Red Sox improved more than the Indians or Tigers. Basically, the Red Sox are stronger this year at 1B, DH, SS, LF, and RF. They have healthier starting pitchers (so far, at least) and better relievers. I see no reason why they shouldn't win ~85 games. Meanwhile, the Indians are in shambles and the Tigers *still* have no pitching. They will win some 20-3 blowouts, but they will lose an awful lot of 7-5 games too. *MAYBE* the Sox will play poorly, win 78 games, and finish fifth. But I think third or fourth place is more likely. Cheers, -Valentine ";-1;0 "From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: disk safety measure? Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 23 cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (Tim Cuffel) writes: > There is no guarantee that the deleted space would be overwritten during > optimization. Likely, but no guarantee. A quicker and more secure method > would be a batch file that overwrote all of your free space. For example > fill.bat: > echo %1 >> out > fill.bat > (This is off the top of my head. #include ) It is MUCH easier, faster, and probably even more secure to use Norton Utilties 6.0 (I'm talking IBM PC here) and to tell WipeInfo to (a) clean the free disk space and (b) clean the slack space at the end of the files. Use to Government standard option for more careful overwriting... Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany ";-1;0 "From: roos@Operoni.Helsinki.FI (Christophe Roos) Subject: Wanted: Rat cell line (adrenal gland/cortical c.) Summary: Where can I find a rat cell line Keywords: adrenal_gland cortical_cell cell_line rat Organization: Institute of Biotechnology (Univ. Helsinki) Lines: 14 I am looking for a rat cell line of adrenal gland / cortical cell -type. I have been looking at ATCC without success and would very much appreciate any help. Thank you for reading this. Christophe Roos ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Institute of Biotechnology Fax: +358 0 4346028 POBox 45, Valimotie 7 E-mail: Christophe.Roos@Helsinki.Fi University of Helsinki X-400: /G=Christophe/S=Roos SF-00014 Finland /O=Helsinki/A=fumail/C=Fi ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: :glenns@eas.gatech.edu writes: :>Hey, gang, it's not about duck hunting, or about dark alleys, :>it's about black-clad, helmeted and booted troops storming :>houses and violating civil rights under color of law. :> :>Are YOU ready to defend YOUR Constitution? : :Its also about crazy fatigue clad survivalist types blasting the :snot out of people who accidentally stray onto his land in the :name of 'self defense.' Well, the count is now at least 86 dead by government action. How many have been killed in the last year in the manner you described? What, no facts? Oh, how silly of me; I forgot, you don't like guns, so you don't need no stinkin' facts. :Don't get too self-righteous, Mr. gun-toter. Don't get too smug, Mr. gun-hater. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * ";-1;0 "From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr15.163923.25120@microsoft.com>, tomca@microsoft.com (Tom B. Carey) writes: |> OK, just for grins: |> - Kekule hypothesized a resonant structure for the aromatic benzene |> ring after waking from a dream in which a snake was swallowing his tail. |> - Archimedes formalized the principle of buoyancy while meditating in |> his bath. Well, certainly in Archimedes case the description ""while observing the phenomena in his bath"" seems more accurate than ""while meditating in his bath"" -- it was, after all, a rather buoyancy intense environment. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm ";-1;0 "From: beb@media.mit.edu (Brian E. Bradley) Subject: 2-gig Fujitsu 5.25"" disk drive for sale Organization: MIT Media Laboratory Distribution: usa Lines: 11 2-gigabyte Fujitsu 5.25"" disk drive internal drive, model M26525A (uses either a SCSI or EDI interface on your disk controller card) brand new, still in box, never used only $1800 (compare to $2400 in cheapest mail-order catalogs) POSTED FOR A FRIEND. Pleade respond to: jbredt@athena ";-1;0 "From: rcook@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Richard Cook) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: University of Western Ontario, London Nntp-Posting-Host: server.gfx.engga.uwo.ca Lines: 23 In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: > >Greetings! > > Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't > know the number of the line. And I don't want > to call up the operator to place a trace on it. > > Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can > use to find out the number to the line? > Thanks for any response. > Al > > How about calling someone with the Caller ID service and have them call you back with the number? -- Richard Cook (519) 641-1985 E-mail: rcook@gfx.engga.uwo.ca Elect. Eng. FAX (519) 661-3488 ";-1;0 "From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) Subject: Re: Jewish Settlers Demolish a Mosque in Gaza Organization: Manchester Computing Centre Lines: 41 In d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes: >In article kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes: >>Atheists are not >>mentioned in the Quran because from a Quranic point of view, and a >>minute's reasoning, one can see that there is no such thing. > But there are people who say that they are Atheists. If they aren't Atheists, >what are they? When the Quran uses the word *din* it means way of individual thinking, behaving, communal order and protocols based on a set of beliefs. This is often interpreted as the much weaker term religion. The atheists are not mentioned in the Quran along with Jews, Mushriqin, Christians, etc. because the latter are all din. To have a din you need a set of beliefs, assumptions, etc, to forma a social code. For example the Marxist have those, such as History, Conflict, etc. That they do not put idols (sometimes they did) to represent those assuptions does not mean they are any different from the other Mushriq, or roughly polytheists. There cannot be social Atheism, because when there is a community, that community needs common ideas or standard beliefs to coordinate the society. When they inscribe assumptions, say Nation, or ""Progress is the natural consequence of Human activity"" or ""parlamentarian democracy is doubtlessly the best way of government"", however they individually insist they do not have gods, from the Quranic point of view they do. Therefore by definition, atheism does not exist. ""We are a atheist society"" in fact means ""we reject the din other than ours"". Atheism can only exist when people reject all the idols/gods/dogmas/ suppositions/.. of the society that they part, and in that case that is a personal deviation of belief, and Quran tells about such deviations and disbelief. But as I mentioned, from a Quranic point of looking at things, there is no Atheism in the macro level. I think it took more than one minute. Kutluk ";-1;0 "From: gt5576b@prism.gatech.EDU (Joe Bleazard) Subject: References needed on Memory Management Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 15 I am doing a report on the topic of 'Advanced Memory Management' and need to know of some good references to cover this topic. It is an Analytical Chemistry class on Instrumental Analysis. So, as you could guess, it doesn't have to be an extremely thorough or extensive covering of the topic. Also, I am a Chemical Engineer and know some, but not too much about memory management. If anyone could help point me in a good direction I would be very thankful. Thanks in advance. Joe Bleazard gt5576b@hydra.gatech.edu School of Chemical Engineering Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, GA 30332-0100 ";-1;0 "From: David.Bernard@central.sun.com (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Reply-To: David.Bernard@central.sun.com Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 9 In article 28782@athos.rutgers.edu, revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille) writes: >Just an observation- although the bodily assumption has no basis in >the Bible, Carl Jung declared it to be one of the most important pronouncements >of the church in recent years, in that it implied the inclusion of the >feminine into the Godhead. What did Jung mean by a ""Godhead?"" ";-1;0 "From: hungjenc@usc.edu (Hung-Jen Chen) Subject: test Article-I.D.: phakt.1pqgltINN9dg Distribution: na Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA test Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu ";-1;0 "From: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa) Subject: Re: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list? Lines: 34 Reply-To: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com (Tom Testagrossa) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, Ma. Distribution: usa --In article <1993Apr15.234451.15707@leland.Stanford.EDU>, thomper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dale Buford Thompson) writes: In article you write: >[stuff deleted] > >My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for ^^^^^^^^^^ >[MORE stuff deleted] >TEd >>It is my impression that net etiquette does not allow companies to >>use the net to directly advertise their products. >>In addition to improper etiquette, this product is a mailing list >>used for generating junk mail. >>Am I correct in assuming this is improper, and if so, what can be >>done to penalize such an improper use? >>Dale Thompson Well, Dale, I'd say offhand ""Keel-hauling"" would work pretty well...we haven't had a good ""keel-hauling"" in a long time... (Sorry, it came up in a conversation yesterday and, well, I just love that phrase...) Or maybe just ask for folks to flood the guys mailbox with the FAQ for net-etiquitte...sort of poetic justice for all the junk mail he was trying to generate anyway... Tom T ********************************************************************** * Tom Testagrossa - E-MAIL: ttesta@kali.enet.dec.com * * US-mail: 132 Clarendon St Apt #2 * * Fitchburg, Ma 01420 U.S.A. * * Phone: Work (508)493-0437 (Voicemail)* * Home (508)342-2362 * * Ask me about my guitars... * *********************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: tom_milligan@rainbow.mentorg.com Subject: Anyone with L'Abri Experiences Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation Lines: 6 I am curious if anyone in net-land has spent any time at any of the L'Abri houses throughout the world and what the experience was like, how it affected you, etc. Especially interesting would be experiences at the original L'Abri in Switzerland and personal interactions with Francis and/or Edith Schaeffer. Tom Milligan ";-1;0 "Subject: After-Market Cruise Controls: Specific Questions From: MikeW@Canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda) Organization: BYU Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.187.203.40 Lines: 82 Howdy, I'm a little new to this newsgroup, but I would like to tap some of the knowledge and expertise available here. The Subject: After-market cruise controls The Background: I recently broke my ankle in a road-bicycling accident (4 places, five screws, yuk! :-( ). In two weeks I will be returning to Texas (my home) from my school (BYU) in Provo, Utah. As you can imagine, trying to drive nearly 1300 miles with a broken right ankle isn't just the epitome of a good time. My car does not have a cruise control, so I would have to do all the pedalling (ha ha) with my messed-up ankle. My question: What is the general opinion of after-market cruise control units? I realize that a cheap CC (cruise control) from, say, Pep Boys, isn't going to be as good as a factory or professionally installed unit (if there is such a thing). And I uderstand that I probably can't expect much in the way of accuracy, looks and that sort of thing; But anything's gotta be better than trying to drive with a hosed ankle. I have a 1984 Jeep Cherokee, 4 speed, standard, 4*4, 2.5L engine with kettering(sp?) ignition (y'know, distributor cap, rotor, that set-up--not electronic. Maybe you could've guessed it being an '84, but I'm just trying to give information as completly as I can). I found a CC unit for 80 bucks. It seems to use the vehicles vacuum system instead of an electric servor/motor. Is this good or bad? If I did buy this CC, which vacuum hose should I tap? It has two speed sensors: One magnetic, and one that gets a signal from the negative side of the distributor, kinda like a tach pick-up, or so I understand. I can use either one. Which is best? The manual says (I read it in the store today) that the magnetic/axle set-up is more accurate, but harder to install. Is there really a big difference? It has a sensor for the brake pedal, just like other CCs, but does NOT have a sensor for the clutch pedal. So if I wasn't paying real close attention I might push the clutch in while the cruise is trying to get the speed up. Which would wind the engine up kinda high until I got my wits about me and turned the thing off. I'm pretty coordinated, so this doesn't bother me, if it were for my girlfriends car, *then* it would bother me, but I'm ok with it. The installation also calls for an attachment to a steady-on brake signal and a switched-on brake signal. I think I can get a switched brake signal from the correct side of the brake light blade fuse. Am I right? But I'm not sure where to get the steady-on brake signal, or, for that matter, what exactly it is? Any ideas as to what the manufaturer wants and where to get it? I think I can figure the other things out. Like how to hook-up the negative side tach-type sensing gizmo and the cabin control unit, and the ground and all that miscellaneous business. But I need a little help with: 1. Is it worth the money and safety risk (if any) for such a device? 2. Is there any particularly good after-market CC? 3. Are ""professionally"" installed CCs signifacantly better and worth the cabbage? 4. If the unit I saw (sorry, no manufacturer or model number, just that it is at Pep Boy and its $80) is sufficient for my simple needs, how do I get the thing installed properly (specifically, the questions above)? My father and I built a ""Veep"" (Volkswagen powered Jeep CJ-2A) when I was in high school, so I consider myself fairly good with tools, electronics, and cars. So the installation doesn't scare me. I just want to be certain that I get the thing installed correctly as my Cherokee is just a wee bit more complicated than my Veep. :-) I appreciate your time in reading my post, and I would appreciate any expertise or opinion anybody has on the subject. If you would like to share some of your wisdom, please email as I don't get over this group very often (but I check my mail all the time). Again, thanks for any help anyone may have. Mike Wieda Mikew@canc.byu.edu ";-1;0 "From: klink@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.r.klinkner) Subject: Beginner's RF ??? Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Distribution: na Lines: 14 Can anybody recommend a good, application-oriented beginner's reference to RF circuits? I am pretty good on theory & know what different types of modulation mean, but don't have a lot of practical experience. A book detailing working circuits of different types (modulation, power, frequency, what is legal, what is not, et cetera), would be very helpful. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Klinkner AT&T Bell Labs srk@boeing.att.com att!boeing!srk ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) Organization: Destructive Testing Systems Lines: 38 In article nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: >In article <1993Apr18.091051.14496@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: > If I read you right, you're saying in essence that, with a larger > economy, nations will have more discretionary funds to *waste* on a > lunar facility. That was certainly partially the case with Apollo, > but real Lunar colonies will probably require a continuing > military, scientific, or commercial reason for being rather than > just a ""we have the money, why not?"" approach. > >Ah, but the whole point is that money spent on a lunar base is not >wasted on the moon. It's not like they'd be using $1000 (1000R?) bills >to fuel their moon-dozers. The money to fund a lunar base would be >spent in the country to which the base belonged. It's a way of funding >high-tech research, just like DARPA was a good excuse to fund various >fields of research, under the pretense that it was crucial to the >defense of the country, or like ESPRIT is a good excuse for the EC to >fund research, under the pretense that it's good for pan-European >cooperation. > >Now maybe you think that government-funded research is a waste of >money (in fact, I'm pretty sure you do), but it does count as >investment spending, which does boost the economy (and just look at >the size of that multiplier :->). Actually I favor government funded research. It *is* a pump prime for a lot of basic technologies. I also understand the short term value of high tech welfare programs. But they can't substitute for long range wealth generation via commercial enterprise. That's what's needed to maintain a healthy economy *anywhere*, on Earth or Luna. I don't see that long term potential on Luna due to a bunch of factors I outline in another post. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | ";-1;0 "From: rab@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Bickford) Subject: Re: More technical details Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Lines: 15 Another objection occurred to me. There was a comment about how supposedly there would only be one decode box, operated by the FBI. This is flat ridiculous, and I don't believe it for a millisecond. Even *if* they in fact only build one (or two or some other small number) of these, that won't stop others from building one. Make it work like two Clipper-chip phones, one listening to each side of the recorded conversation. I'll have to have another look at the specs posted so far, but offhand I didn't see anything that would preclude this sort of thing..... -- Robert Bickford rab@well.sf.ca.us Treasurer and Newsletter Editor, /-------------------------------------\ Lib. Party of Marin County (CA) | Don't Blame Me: I Voted Libertarian | Member, CA State Central Committee \-------------------------------------/ ";16;1 "From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann) Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 & Windows problems!!! Summary: Users complain of service from Diamond. Reply-To: lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com Organization: IBM, Austin Keywords: diamond video s3 windows Lines: 43 In article <1pifisINNhsr@dns1.NMSU.Edu> jdiers@dante.nmsu.edu (DIERS) writes: > >I own a Stealth 24 card from diamond. When using the 640X480x16.7mil win 3.1 >driver the card and driver work but are not very fast. ALL of the other >windows drivers have a number of bugs. Shadows remain when windows are >erased and text boxes are often unreadable. All attempts to get help from >Diamond have failed. I have called the Tech support and never been able >to get past the hold line (a toll call) in a reasonable time (ie 10min). >Leaving voice mail has not helped either. The BBS is a joke! It always >has too many people on to download anything. You cannot even get a file >listing (it considers that a download!). I have faxed the tech support group. >All this with no reponse. > >The bottom line is if you are looking for a fast card and want to use it >for windows, DO NOT get a Diamond product. Try another vendor, I wish I had. While others here may have had better experiences, I, too, share the sentiments posted above. Though I have the original Stealth/VRAM, it is only ""relatively"" recent that the Windows drivers for this card have evolved to a point of decent performance. Note that there are STILL a couple of modes I cannot use (ie. will not) due to shadowing, mis-drawn check boxes, etc. I believe the version I have is 2.01. If there's a more recent release, I'd appreciate if someone would drop me a note to let me know -- I haven't been able to get on their BBS lately to check again. Naturally, Diamond doesn't even bother notifying me of fixes/releases. Diamond was helpful when I finally reached the ""right"" person in curing some of my Windows' problems due to an address conflict. The conflicting addresses (2E0, 2E8) were OMITTED in at least my version of the Diamond/VRAM manual. I hope it has been corrected by now. The tech rep explained that ALL S3-based boards use these addresses. I have not confirmed the validity of that statement. When I upgrade my motherboard in the near future (hopefully with some form of local bus), I'll seek a video solution from someone other than Diamond. Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com) Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All statements, comments, opinions, etc. herein reflect those of the author and shall NOT be misconstrued as those of IBM or anyone else for that matter. ";-1;0 "From: sharma@tiger.vill.edu (Sanjeev Sharma) Subject: Positioning a window, under openlook. Keywords: Windows, openlook. Organization: Villanova University Lines: 20 Originator: sharma@tiger.vill.edu Hi there netters, I require a window to appear at a co-ordinates (0,0) (top left corner) of my screen (root window). Could some windows guru out there help me on how to go about doing this. I write the whole program which creates the window with the image it displays - I require the image to appear at the top-left corner so that I can grab it for recording on to video, using a MIniVas controller, which expects the window at the same spot every time. Thanks in advance. sincerely, Sanjeev Sharma -- _____________________________________________________________________ Office: e_mail: Deptt. of Computing Science sharma@monet.vill.edu Villanova University (215)645-6463 ";-1;0 "From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr21.212202.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral exploration. Basically get the eci-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth.. You think this is crazy. Well in a way it is, but in a way it is reality. There is a billin the congress to do just that.. Basically to make it so expensive to mine minerals in the US, unless you can by off the inspectors or tax collectors.. ascially what I understand from talking to a few miner friends of mine, that they (the congress) propose to have a tax on the gross income of the mine, versus the adjusted income, also the state governments have there normal taxes. So by the time you get done, paying for materials, workers, and other expenses you can owe more than what you made. BAsically if you make a 1000.00 and spend 500. ofor expenses, you can owe 600.00 in federal taxes.. Bascially it is driving the miners off the land.. And the only peopel who benefit are the eco-freaks.. Basically to get back to my beginning statement, is space is the way to go cause it might just get to expensive to mine on earth because of either the eco-freaks or the protectionist.. Such fun we have in these interesting times.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked ";-1;0 "From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Frequent nosebleeds Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr17.195202.28921@freenet.carleton.ca> ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) writes: >Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger brothers >each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their nosebleeds >soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin that is >supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, or other >techniques. Rutin is a bioflavonoid, compounds found (among other places) in the rinds of citrus fruits. These have been popular, especially in Europe, to treat ""capillary fragility"", and seemingly in even more extreme cases-- a few months ago, a friend was visiting from Italy, and he said that he'd had hemorrhoids, but his pharmacist friend sold him some pills. Incredulously, I asked to look at them, and sure enough these contained rutin as the active ingredient. I probably destroyed the placebo effect from my skeptical sputtering. I have no idea how he's doing hemorrhoid-wise these days. The studies which attempted to look at the effect of these compounds in human disease and nutrition were never very well controlled, so the reports of positive results with them is mostly anecdotal. This stuff is pretty much non-toxic, and probably inexpensive, so there's little risk of trying it, but I wouldn't expect much of a result. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer ";-1;0 "From: U52885@uicvm.uic.edu Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 486DX/33 too noisy Article-I.D.: uicvm.93096.135225U52885 Distribution: usa Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Lines: 15 In article <114152@bu.edu>, lcai@acs2.bu.edu says: > >I just received my Gateway 2000 486DX/33 mini-desktop system. >The first thing I noticed when I plugged in the power cord is the >noise that comes from the fan. In fact I can hear the noise in If your Gateway is equipped with a Western hard drive, then the noise is probably coming from there and not from the fan. The Western drives are notoriously noisy. On the other hand, if you don't have a Western drive, then maybe it is the fan. There's not alot to do about it except insulate around the cpu somehow. Barry Aldridge U of I/Chicago & 24-Hour Bar-B-Q Standard Old Disclaimer ";-1;0 "From: ross@vorpal.ucsb.edu (Richard Ross) Subject: Powerbook with a math coprocessor? Keywords: powerbook, math coprocessor, pb160 Lines: 9 I really want to buy a powerbook and would like one that can run Mathematica. So I need a coprocessor but I can not afford a PB180. (who can?) Is it possible to put a MCP in a PB160? The guy at the bookstore says no but I didn't think he had too much of a clue. Please respond by e-mail: ross@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu thanks in advance, richard ";-1;0 "From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi Subject: Strange phenomens in NHL (was: Team leaders in +/-) Lines: 60 Nntp-Posting-Host: tne01.tele.nokia.fi Organization: Nokia Telecommunications. In article <1993Apr5.195705.29227@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: > In <1993Apr5.185633.17843@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: > >>Implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against Winnipeg with Selanne >>on the ice can be blamed on him...Roger, he is a FORWARD. Winnipeg has a >>lousy defensive record anyway. Let's put it another way. John Cullen's +/- >>is terrible. What's your excuse for him? That his powerplay points don't >>count? Neither do Selanne's... > > Are you comparing Cullen to Salami? I would say that that is valid. If > Winnipeg is such a lousy defensive team then why the hell does Salami > stand around the other team's blueline when the puck is in his own end? I thought that he was comparing Cullen to TEEMU SEL[NNE. I always thought that salami is some sort of sausage, BUT IF YOU, dear Roger, ARE ABLE TO SEE SALAMI ON THE ICE PLAYING HOCKEY... I don't know what to do, but you surely should do something and very quickly!!! Maybe you think that if you keep on talking some rubbish, after some time everybody will consider it to be really true... You should take care of your LEAFS, they surely need it more. > >>What he does best is score...so I refer you to my comment above. > > Some of our Finnish friends who have watched him play claim that he > can play a solid two-way game. I would have to say that this style > of contribution would be more conducive to winning. Or don't you > think so? At least we have seen him playing... > >>>As it is now, Selanne >>>is a grandstanding goal suck. Did you see the way he parades around >>>with his arms outstretched after scoring a goal? You would think the >>>Messiah had returned... During the latest Philly game the Leaf players didn't parade... Philly crunched them 4-0 !!! Maybe you need some more two way players who can score, too !!??? > > > cordially, as always, > > rm > > -- > Roger Maynard > maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca just cordially, Hannu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GO JETS GO ! >>>>>>>> TEEMU ! >>>>>>> TEPPO ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> TAPPARA >>>>>> CANADIENS >>>>>>> BLACKHAWKS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ";13;1 "From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis) Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 5/5 Summary: useful information about the X Window System Article-I.D.: visual.C52Eqq.99A Expires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address) Organization: VISUAL, Inc. Lines: 890 Archive-name: x-faq/part5 Last-modified: 1993/04/04 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 119) I'm writing a widget and can't use a float as a resource value. Float resources are not portable; the size of the value may be larger than the size of an XtPointer. Try using a pointer to a float instead; the Xaw Scrollbar float resources are handled in this way. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 120) Is this a memory leak in the X11R4 XtDestroyWidget()?! Yes. This is the ""unofficial"" fix-19 for the X11R4 Destroy.c: *** Destroy.c.1.37 Thu Jul 11 15:41:25 1991 --- lib/Xt/Destroy.c Thu Jul 11 15:42:23 1991 *************** *** 1,4 **** --- 1,5 ---- /* $XConsortium: Destroy.c,v 1.37 90/09/28 10:21:32 swick Exp $ */ + /* Plus unofficial patches in revisions 1.40 and 1.41 */ /*********************************************************** Copyright 1987, 1988 by Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard, Massachusetts, *************** *** 221,239 **** */ int i = 0; ! DestroyRec* dr = app->destroy_list; while (i < app->destroy_count) { if (dr->dispatch_level >= dispatch_level) { Widget w = dr->widget; if (--app->destroy_count) bcopy( (char*)(dr+1), (char*)dr, ! app->destroy_count*sizeof(DestroyRec) ); XtPhase2Destroy(w); } else { i++; - dr++; } } } --- 222,245 ---- */ int i = 0; ! DestroyRec* dr; while (i < app->destroy_count) { + + /* XtPhase2Destroy can result in calls to XtDestroyWidget, + * and these could cause app->destroy_list to be reallocated. + */ + + dr = app->destroy_list + i; if (dr->dispatch_level >= dispatch_level) { Widget w = dr->widget; if (--app->destroy_count) bcopy( (char*)(dr+1), (char*)dr, ! (app->destroy_count - i) * sizeof(DestroyRec) ); XtPhase2Destroy(w); } else { i++; } } } [from Donna Converse, converse@expo.lcs.mit.EDU] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 121) Are callbacks guaranteed to be called in the order registered? Although some books demonstrate that the current implementation of Xt happens to call callback procedures in the order in which they are registered, the specification does not guarantee such a sequence, and supplemental authoritative documents (i.e. the Asente/Swick volume) do say that the order is undefined. Because the callback list can be manipulated by both the widget and the application, Xt cannot guarantee the order of execution. In general, the callback procedures should be thought of as operating independently of one another and should not depend on side-effects of other callbacks operating; if a seqence is needed, then the single callback to be registered can explicitly call other functions necessary. [4/92; thanks to converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 122) Why doesn't XtDestroyWidget() actually destroy the widget? XtDestroyWidget() operates in two passes, in order to avoid leaving dangling data structures; the function-call marks the widget, which is not actually destroyed until your program returns to its event-loop. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 123) How do I query the user synchronously using Xt? It is possible to have code which looks like this trivial callback, which has a clear flow of control. The calls to AskUser() block until answer is set to one of the valid values. If it is not a ""yes"" answer, the code drops out of the callback and back to an event-processing loop: void quit(Widget w, XtPointer client, XtPointer call) { int answer; answer = AskUser(w, ""Really Quit?""); if (RET_YES == answer) { answer = AskUser(w, ""Are You Really Positive?""); if (RET_YES == answer) exit(0); } } A more realistic example might ask whether to create a file or whether to overwrite it. This is accomplished by entering a second event-processing loop and waiting until the user answers the question; the answer is returned to the calling function. That function AskUser() looks something like this, where the Motif can be replaced with widget-set-specific code to create some sort of dialog-box displaying the question string and buttons for ""OK"", ""Cancel"" and ""Help"" or equivalents: int AskUser(w, string) Widget w; char *string; { int answer=RET_NONE; /* some not-used marker */ Widget dialog; /* could cache&carry, but ...*/ Arg args[3]; int n = 0; XtAppContext context; n=0; XtSetArg(args[n], XmNmessageString, XmStringCreateLtoR(string, XmSTRING_DEFAULT_CHARSET)); n++; XtSetArg(args[n], XmNdialogStyle, XmDIALOG_APPLICATION_MODAL); n++; dialog = XmCreateQuestionDialog(XtParent(w), string, args, n); XtAddCallback(dialog, XmNokCallback, response, &answer); XtAddCallback(dialog, XmNcancelCallback, response, &answer); XtAddCallback(dialog, XmNhelpCallback, response, &answer); XtManageChild(dialog); context = XtWidgetToApplicationContext (w); while (answer == RET_NONE || XtAppPending(context)) { XtAppProcessEvent (context, XtIMAll); } XtDestroyWidget(dialog); /* blow away the dialog box and shell */ return answer; } The dialog supports three buttons, which are set to call the same function when tickled by the user. The variable answer is set when the user finally selects one of those choices: void response(w, client, call) Widget w; XtPointer client; XtPointer call; { int *answer = (int *) client; XmAnyCallbackStruct *reason = (XmAnyCallbackStruct *) call; switch (reason->reason) { case XmCR_OK: *answer = RET_YES; /* some #define value */ break; case XmCR_CANCEL: *answer = RET_NO; break; case XmCR_HELP: *answer = RET_HELP; break; default: return; } } and the code unwraps back to the point at which an answer was needed and continues from there. [Thanks to Dan Heller (argv@sun.com); further code is in Dan's R3/contrib WidgetWrap library. 2/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 124) How do I determine the name of an existing widget? I have a widget ID and need to know what the name of that widget is. Users of R4 and later are best off using the XtName() function, which will work on both widgets and non-widget objects. If you are still using R3, you can use this simple bit of code to do what you want. Note that it depends on the widget's internal data structures and is not necessarily portable to future versions of Xt, including R4. #include #include String XtName (widget) Widget widget; /* WILL work with non-widget objects */ { return XrmNameToString(widget->core.xrm_name); } [7/90; modified with suggestion by Larry Rogers (larry@boris.webo.dg.com) 9/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 125) Why do I get a BadDrawable error drawing to XtWindow(widget)? I'm doing this in order to get a window into which I can do Xlib graphics within my Xt-based program: > canvas = XtCreateManagedWidget ( ...,widgetClass,...) /* drawing area */ > ... > window = XtWindow(canvas); /* get the window associated with the widget */ > ... > XDrawLine (...,window,...); /* produces error */ The window associated with the widget is created as a part of the realization of the widget. Using a window id of NULL (""no window"") could create the error that you describe. It is necessary to call XtRealizeWidget() before attempting to use the window associated with a widget. Note that the window will be created after the XtRealizeWidget() call, but that the server may not have actually mapped it yet, so you should also wait for an Expose event on the window before drawing into it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 126) Why do I get a BadMatch error when calling XGetImage? The BadMatch error can occur if the specified rectangle goes off the edge of the screen. If you don't want to catch the error and deal with it, you can take the following steps to avoid the error: 1) Make a pixmap the same size as the rectangle you want to capture. 2) Clear the pixmap to background using XFillRectangle. 3) Use XCopyArea to copy the window to the pixmap. 4) If you get a NoExpose event, the copy was clean. Use XGetImage to grab the image from the pixmap. 5) If you get one or more GraphicsExpose events, the copy wasn't clean, and the x/y/width/height members of the GraphicsExpose event structures tell you the parts of the pixmap which aren't good. 6) Get rid of the pixmap; it probably takes a lot of memory. [10/92; thanks to Oliver Jones (oj@pictel.com)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 127) How can my application tell if it is being run under X? A number of programs offer X modes but otherwise run in a straight character-only mode. The easiest way for an application to determine that it is running on an X display is to attempt to open a connection to the X server: display = XOpenDisplay(display_name); if (display) { do X stuff } else { do curses or something else } where display_name is either the string specified on the command-line following -display, by convention, or otherwise is (char*)NULL [in which case XOpenDisplay uses the value of $DISPLAY, if set]. This is superior to simply checking for the existence a -display command-line argument or checking for $DISPLAY set in the environment, neither of which is adequate. [5/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 128) How do I make a ""busy cursor"" while my application is computing? Is it necessary to call XDefineCursor() for every window in my application? The easiest thing to do is to create a single InputOnly window that is as large as the largest possible screen; make it a child of your toplevel window and it will be clipped to that window, so it won't affect any other application. (It needs to be as big as the largest possible screen in case the user enlarges the window while it is busy or moves elsewhere within a virtual desktop.) Substitute ""toplevel"" with your top-most widget here (similar code should work for Xlib-only applications; just use your top Window): unsigned long valuemask; XSetWindowAttributes attributes; /* Ignore device events while the busy cursor is displayed. */ valuemask = CWDontPropagate | CWCursor; attributes.do_not_propagate_mask = (KeyPressMask | KeyReleaseMask | ButtonPressMask | ButtonReleaseMask | PointerMotionMask); attributes.cursor = XCreateFontCursor(XtDisplay(toplevel), XC_watch); /* The window will be as big as the display screen, and clipped by its own parent window, so we never have to worry about resizing */ XCreateWindow(XtDisplay(toplevel), XtWindow(toplevel), 0, 0, 65535, 65535, (unsigned int) 0, 0, InputOnly, CopyFromParent, valuemask, &attributes); where the maximum size above could be replaced by the real size of the screen, particularly to avoid servers which have problems with windows larger than 32767. When you want to use this busy cursor, map and raise this window; to go back to normal, unmap it. This will automatically keep you from getting extra mouse events; depending on precisely how the window manager works, it may or may not have a similar effect on keystrokes as well. In addition, note also that most of the Xaw widgets support an XtNcursor resource which can be temporarily reset, should you merely wish to change the cursor without blocking pointer events. [thanks to Andrew Wason (aw@cellar.bae.bellcore.com), Dan Heller (argv@sun.com), and mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu; 11/90,5/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 129) How do I fork without hanging my parent X program? An X-based application which spawns off other Unix processes which continue to run after it is closed typically does not vanish until all of its children are terminated; the children inherit from the parent the open X connection to the display. What you need to do is fork; then, immediately, in the child process, close (ConnectionNumber(XtDisplay(widget))); to close the file-descriptor in the display information. After this do your exec. You will then be able to exit the parent. Alternatively, before exec'ing make this call, which causes the file descriptor to be closed on exec. (void) fcntl(ConnectionNumber(XDisplay), F_SETFD, 1); [Thanks to Janet Anstett (anstettj@tramp.Colorado.EDU), Gordon Freedman (gjf00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com); 2/91. Greg Holmberg (holmberg@frame.com), 3/93.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 130) Can I make Xt or Xlib calls from a signal handler? No. Xlib and Xt have no mutual exclusion for protecting critical sections. If your signal handler makes such a call at the wrong time (which might be while the function you are calling is already executing), it can leave the library in an inconsistent state. Note that the ANSI C standard points out that behavior of a signal handler is undefined if the signal handler calls any function other than signal() itself, so this is not a problem specific to Xlib and Xt; the POSIX specification mentions other functions which may be called safely but it may not be assumed that these functions are called by Xlib or Xt functions. You can work around the problem by setting a flag in the interrupt handler and later checking it with a work procedure or a timer event which has previously been added. Note: the article in The X Journal 1:4 and the example in O'Reilly Volume 6 are in error. [Thanks to Pete Ware (ware@cis.ohio-state.edu) and Donna Converse (converse@expo.lcs.mit.EDU), 5/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 131) What are these ""Xlib sequence lost"" errors? You may see these errors if you issue Xlib requests from an Xlib error handler, or, more likely, if you make calls which generate X requests to Xt or Xlib from a signal handler, which you shouldn't be doing in any case. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 132) How can my Xt program handle socket, pipe, or file input? It's very common to need to write an Xt program that can accept input both from a user via the X connection and from some other file descriptor, but which operates efficiently and without blocking on either the X connection or the other file descriptor. A solution is use XtAppAddInput(). After you open your file descriptor, use XtAppAddInput() to register an input handler. The input handler will be called every time there is something on the file descriptor requiring your program's attention. Write the input handler like you would any other Xt callback, so it does its work quickly and returns. It is important to use only non-blocking I/O system calls in your input handlers. Most input handlers read the file descriptor, although you can have an input handler write or handle exception conditions if you wish. Be careful when you register an input handler to read from a disk file. You will find that the function is called even when there isn't input pending. XtAppAddInput() is actually working as it is supposed to. The input handler is called whenever the file descriptor is READY to be read, not only when there is new data to be read. A disk file (unlike a pipe or socket) is almost always ready to be read, however, if only because you can spin back to the beginning and read data you've read before. The result is that your function will almost always be called every time around XtAppMainLoop(). There is a way to get the type of interaction you are expecting; add this line to the beginning of your function to test whether there is new data: if (ioctl(fd, FIONREAD, &n) == -1 || n == 0) return; But, because this is called frequently, your application is effectively in a busy-wait; you may be better off not using XtAppAddInput() and instead setting a timer and in the timer procedure checking the file for input. [courtesy Dan Heller (argv@ora.com), 8/90; mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu 5/91; Ollie Jones (oj@pictel.com) 6/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 133) How do I simulate a button press/release event for a widget? You can do this using XSendEvent(); it's likely that you're not setting the window field in the event, which Xt needs in order to match to the widget which should receive the event. If you're sending events to your own application, then you can use XtDispatchEvent() instead. This is more efficient than XSendEvent() in that you avoid a round-trip to the server. Depending on how well the widget was written, you may be able to call its action procedures in order to get the effects you want. [courtesy Mark A. Horstman (mh2620@sarek.sbc.com), 11/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 134) Why doesn't anything appear when I run this simple program? > ... > the_window = XCreateSimpleWindow(the_display, > root_window,size_hints.x,size_hints.y, > size_hints.width,size_hints.height,BORDER_WIDTH, > BlackPixel(the_display,the_screen), > WhitePixel(the_display,the_screen)); > ... > XSelectInput(the_display,the_window,ExposureMask|ButtonPressMask| > ButtonReleaseMask); > XMapWindow(the_display,the_window); > ... > XDrawLine(the_display,the_window,the_GC,5,5,100,100); > ... You are right to map the window before drawing into it. However, the window is not ready to be drawn into until it actually appears on the screen -- until your application receives an Expose event. Drawing done before that will generally not appear. You'll see code like this in many programs; this code would appear after window was created and mapped: while (!done) { XNextEvent(the_display,&the_event); switch (the_event.type) { case Expose: /* On expose events, redraw */ XDrawLine(the_display,the_window,the_GC,5,5,100,100); break; ... } } Note that there is a second problem: some Xlib implementations don't set up the default graphics context to have correct foreground/background colors, so this program could previously include this code: ... the_GC_values.foreground=BlackPixel(the_display,the_screen); /* e.g. */ the_GC_values.background=WhitePixel(the_display,the_screen); /* e.g. */ the_GC = XCreateGC(the_display,the_window, GCForeground|GCBackground,&the_GC_values); ... Note: the code uses BlackPixel and WhitePixel to avoid assuming that 1 is black and 0 is white or vice-versa. The relationship between pixels 0 and 1 and the colors black and white is implementation-dependent. They may be reversed, or they may not even correspond to black and white at all. Also note that actually using BlackPixel and WhitePixel is usually the wrong thing to do in a finished program, as it ignores the user's preference for foreground and background. And also note that you can run into the same situation in an Xt-based program if you draw into the XtWindow(w) right after it has been realized; it may not yet have appeared. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 135) What is the difference between a Screen and a screen? The 'Screen' is an Xlib structure which includes the information about one of the monitors or virtual monitors which a single X display supports. A server can support several independent screens. They are numbered unix:0.0, unix:0.1, unix:0.2, etc; the 'screen' or 'screen_number' is the second digit -- the 0, 1, 2 which can be thought of as an index into the array of available Screens on this particular Display connection. The macros which you can use to obtain information about the particular Screen on which your application is running typically have two forms -- one which takes a Screen and one with takes both the Display and the screen_number. In Xt-based programs, you typically use XtScreen(widget) to determine the Screen on which your application is running, if it uses a single screen. (Part of the confusion may arise from the fact that some of the macros which return characteristics of the Screen have ""Display"" in the names -- XDisplayWidth, XDisplayHeight, etc.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 136) Can I use C++ with X11? Motif? XView? The X11R4/5 header files are compatible with C++. The Motif 1.1 header files are usable as is inside extern ""C"" {...}. However, the definition of String in Intrinsic.h can conflict with the libg++ or other String class and needs to be worked around. Some other projects which can help: WWL, a set of C++ classes by Jean-Daniel Fekete to wrap X Toolkit widgets, available via anonymous FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu as contrib/WWL-1.2.tar.Z [7/92] or lri.lri.fr (129.175.15.1) as pub/WWL-1.2.tar.Z. It works by building a set of C++ classes in parallel to the class tree of the widgets. The C++ InterViews toolkit is obtainable via anonymous FTP from interviews.stanford.edu. InterViews uses a box/glue model similar to that of TeX for constructing user interfaces and supports multiple looks on the user interfaces. Some of its sample applications include a WYSIWIG document editor (doc), a MacDraw-like drawing program (idraw) and an interface builder (ibuild). THINGS, a class library written at the Rome Air Force Base by the Strategic Air Command, available as freeware on archive sites. Motif++ is a public-domain library that defines C++ class wrappers for Motif 1.1; it adds an ""application"" class for, e.g., initializing X, and also integrates WCL and the Xbae widget set. This work was developed by Ronald van Loon based on X++, a set of bindings done by the University of Lowell Graphics Research Laboratory. The current sources are available from decuac.dec.com (192.5.214.1) as /pub/X11/motif++.21.jul.92.tar.Z. The source code examples for Doug Young's ""Object-Oriented Programming with C++ and OSF/Motif"" [ISBN 0-13-630252-1] do not include ""widget wrappers"" but do include a set of classes that encapsulates higher-level facilities commonly needed by Motif- or other Xt-based applications; check export in ~ftp/contrib/young.c++.tar.Z. Rogue Wave offers ""View.h++"" for C++ programmers using Motif; info: 1-800-487-3217 or +1 503 754 2311. A product called ""Commonview"" by Glockenspiel Ltd, Ireland (??) apparently is a C++-based toolkit for multiple window systems, including PM, Windows, and X/Motif. Xv++ is sold by Qualix (415-572-0200; fax -1300); it implements an interface from the GIL files that Sun's OpenWindows Developers Guide 3.0 produces to Xview wrapper classes in C++. UIT is a set of C++ classes embedding the XView toolkit; it is intended for use with Sun's OpenWindows Developers Guide 3.0 builder tool. Sources are on export.mit.edu.au as UIT.tar.Z. Version 2 was released 5/28/92. Also of likely use is ObjectCenter (Saber-C++). And a reasonable alternative to all of the above is ParcPlace's (formerly Solbourne's) Object Interface. [Thanks to Douglas S. Rand (dsrand@mitre.org) and George Wu (gwu@tcs.com);2/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 137) Where can I obtain alternate language bindings to X? Versions of the CLX Lisp bindings are part of the X11 core source distributions. A version of CLX is on the R5 tape [10/91]; version 5.0.2 [9/92] is on export.lcs.mit.edu in /contrib/CLX.R5.02.tar.Z. The SAIC Ada-X11 bindings are through anonymous ftp in /pub from stars.rosslyn.unisys.com (128.126.164.2). There is an X/Ada study team sponsored by NASA JSC, which apparently is working out bindings. Information: xada@ghg.hou.tx.us. GNU SmallTalk has a beta native SmallTalk binding to X called STIX (by Steven.Byrne@Eng.Sun.COM). It is still in its beginning stages, and documentation is sparse outside the SmallTalk code itself. The sources are available as /pub/gnu/smalltalk-1.1.1.tar.Z on prep.ai.mit.edu (18.71.0.38) or ugle.unit.no (129.241.1.97). Prolog bindings (called ""XWIP"") written by Ted Kim at UCLA while supported in part by DARPA are available by anonymous FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/xwip.tar.Z or ftp.cs.ucla.edu:pub/xwip.tar.Z. These prolog language bindings depend on having a Quintus-type foreign function interface in your prolog. The developer has gotten it to work with Quintus and SICStus prolog. Inquiries should go to xwip@cs.ucla.edu. [3/90] Scheme bindings to Xlib, OSF/Motif, and Xaw are part of the Elk distribution; version 1.5a on export obsoletes the version on the R5 contrib tape. x-scm, a bolt-on accessory for Aubrey Jaffer's ""scm"" Scheme interpreter that provides an interface to Xlib, Motif, and OpenLook, is now available via FTP from altdorf.ai.mit.edu:archive/scm/xscm1.05.tar.Z and nexus.yorku.ca:pub/scheme/new/xscm1.05.tar.Z. Ada bindings to Motif, explicitly, will eventually be made available by the Jet Propulsion Laboratories, probably through the normal electronic means. Advance information can be obtained from dsouleles@dsfvax.jpl.nasa.gov, who may respond as time permits. AdaMotif is a complete binding to X and Motif for the Ada language, for many common systems; it is based in part upon the SAIC/Unisys bindings and also includes a UIL to Ada translator. Info: Systems Engineering Research Corporation, 1-800-Ada-SERC (well!serc@apple.com). Also: the MIT Consortium, although not involved in producing Ada bindings for X, maintains a partial listing of people involved in X and Ada; information is available from Donna Converse, converse@expo.lcs.mit.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 138) Can XGetWindowAttributes get a window's background pixel/pixmap? No. Once set, the background pixel or pixmap of a window cannot be re-read by clients. The reason for this is that a client can create a pixmap, set it to be the background pixmap of a window, and then free the pixmap. The window keeps this background, but the pixmap itself is destroyed. If you're sure a window has a background pixel (not a pixmap), you can use XClearArea() to clear a region to the background color and then use XGetImage() to read back that pixel. However, this action alters the contents of the window, and it suffers from race conditions with exposures. [courtesy Dave Lemke of NCD and Stuart Marks of Sun] Note that the same applies to the border pixel/pixmap. This is a (mis)feature of the protocol which allows the server is free to manipulate the pixel/pixmap however it wants. By not requiring the server to keep the original pixel or pixmap, some (potentially a lot of) space can be saved. [courtesy Jim Fulton, MIT X Consortium] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 139) How do I create a transparent window? A completely transparent window is easy to get -- use an InputOnly window. In order to create a window which is *mostly* transparent, you have several choices: - the SHAPE extension first released with X11R4 offers an easy way to make non-rectangular windows, so you can set the shape of the window to fit the areas where the window should be nontransparent; however, not all servers support the extension. - a machine-specific method of implementing transparent windows for particular servers is to use an overlay plane supported by the hardware. Note that there is no X notion of a ""transparent color index"". - a generally portable solution is to use a large number of tiny windows, but this makes operating on the application as a unit difficult. - a final answer is to consider whether you really need a transparent window or if you would be satisfied with being able to overlay your application window with information; if so, you can draw into separate bitplanes in colors that will appear properly. [thanks to der Mouse, mouse@lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU, 3/92; see also The X Journal 1:4 for a more complete answer, including code samples for this last option] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 140) Why doesn't GXxor produce mathematically-correct color values? When using GXxor you may expect that drawing with a value of black on a background of black, for example, should produce white. However, the drawing operation does not work on RGB values but on colormap indices. The color that the resulting colormap index actually points to is undefined and visually random unless you have actually filled it in yourself. [On many X servers Black and White often 0/1 or 1/0; programs taking advantage of this mathematical coincidence will break.] If you want to be combining colors with GXxor, then you should be allocating a number of your own color cells and filling them with your chosen pre-computed values. If you want to use GXxor simply to switch between two colors, then you can take the shortcut of setting the background color in the GC (graphics context) to 0 and the foreground color to a value such that when it draws over red, say, the result is blue, and when it draws over blue the result is red. This foreground value is itself the XOR of the colormap indices of red and blue. [Thanks to Chris Flatters (cflatter@zia.aoc.nrao.EDU) and Ken Whaley (whaley@spectre.pa.dec.com), 2/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 141) Why does every color I allocate show up as black? Make sure you're using 16 bits and not 8. The red, green, and blue fields of an XColor structure are scaled so that 0 is nothing and 65535 is full-blast. If you forget to scale (using, for example, 0-255 for each color) the XAllocColor function will perform correctly but the resulting color is usually black. [Thanks to Paul Asente, asente@adobe.com, 7/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 142) Why can't my program get a standard colormap? I have an image-processing program which uses XGetRGBColormap() to get the standard colormap, but it doesn't work. XGetRGBColormap() when used with the property XA_RGB_DEFAULT_MAP does not create a standard colormap -- it just returns one if one already exists. Use xstdcmap or do what it does in order to create the standard colormap first. [1/91; from der Mouse (mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 143) Why does the pixmap I copy to the screen show up as garbage? The initial contents of pixmaps are undefined. This means that most servers will allocate the memory and leave around whatever happens to be there -- which is usually garbage. You probably want to clear the pixmap first using XFillRectangle() with a function of GXcopy and a foreground pixel of whatever color you want as your background (or 0L if you are using the pixmap as a mask). [courtesy Dave Lemke of NCD and Stuart Marks of Sun] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 144) How do I check whether a window ID is valid? My program has the ID of a window on a remote display. I want to check whether the window exists before doing anything with it. Because X is asynchronous, there isn't a guarantee that the window would still exist between the time that you got the ID and the time you sent an event to the window or otherwise manipulated it. What you should do is send the event without checking, but install an error handler to catch any BadWindow errors, which would indicate that the window no longer exists. This scheme will work except on the [rare] occasion that the original window has been destroyed and its ID reallocated to another window. [courtesy Ken Lee (klee@synoptics.com), 4/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 145) Can I have two applications draw to the same window? Yes. The X server assigns IDs to windows and other resources (actually, the server assigns some bits, the client others), and any application that knows the ID can manipulate the resource [almost any X server resource, except for GCs and private color cells, can be shared]. The problem you face is how to disseminate the window ID to multiple applications. A simple way to handle this (and which solves the problem of the applications' running on different machines) is in the first application to create a specially-named property on the root-window and put the window ID into it. The second application then retrieves the property, whose name it also knows, and then can draw whatever it wants into the window. [Note: this scheme works iff there is only one instance of the first application running, and the scheme is subject to the limitations mentioned in the Question about using window IDs on remote displays.] Note also that you will still need to coordinate any higher-level cooperation among your applications. Note also that two processes can share a window but should not try to use the same server connection. If one process is a child of the other, it should close down the connection to the server and open its own connection. [mostly courtesy Phil Karlton (karlton@wpd.sgi.com) 6/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 146) Why can't my program work with tvtwm or swm? A number of applications, including xwd, xwininfo, and xsetroot, do not handle the virtual root window which tvtwm and swm use; they typically return the wrong child of root. A general solution is to add this code or to use it in your own application where you would normally use RootWindow(dpy,screen): /* Function Name: GetVRoot * Description: Gets the root window, even if it's a virtual root * Arguments: the display and the screen * Returns: the root window for the client */ #include Window GetVRoot(dpy, scr) Display *dpy; int scr; { Window rootReturn, parentReturn, *children; unsigned int numChildren; Window root = RootWindow(dpy, scr); Atom __SWM_VROOT = None; int i; __SWM_VROOT = XInternAtom(dpy, ""__SWM_VROOT"", False); XQueryTree(dpy, root, &rootReturn, &parentReturn, &children, &numChildren); for (i = 0; i < numChildren; i++) { Atom actual_type; int actual_format; long nitems, bytesafter; Window *newRoot = NULL; if (XGetWindowProperty(dpy, children[i], __SWM_VROOT, 0, 1, False, XA_WINDOW, &actual_type, &actual_format, &nitems, &bytesafter, (unsigned char **) &newRoot) == Success && newRoot) { root = *newRoot; break; } } return root; } [courtesy David Elliott (dce@smsc.sony.com). Similar code is in ssetroot, a version of xsetroot distributed with tvtwm. 2/91] A header file by Andreas Stolcke of ICSI on export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/vroot.h functions similarly by providing macros for RootWindow and DefaultRootWindow; code can include this header file first to run properly in the presence of a virtual desktop. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 147) How do I keep a window from being resized by the user? Resizing the window is done through the window manager; window managers can pay attention to the size hints your application places on the window, but there is no guarantee that the window manager will listen. You can try setting the minimum and maximum size hints to your target size and hope for the best. [1/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 148) How do I keep a window in the foreground at all times? It's rather antisocial for an application to constantly raise itself [e.g. by tracking VisibilityNotify events] so that it isn't overlapped -- imagine the conflict between two such programs running. The only sure way to have your window appear on the top of the stack is to make the window override-redirect; this means that you are temporarily assuming window-management duties while the window is up, so you want to do this infrequently and then only for short periods of time (e.g. for popup menus or other short parameter-setting windows). [thanks to der Mouse (mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu); 7/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 149) How do I make text and bitmaps blink in X? There is no easy way. Unless you're willing to depend on some sort of extension (as yet non-existent), you have to arrange for the blinking yourself, either by redrawing the contents periodically or, if possible, by playing games with the colormap and changing the color of the contents. [Thanks to mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse), 7/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 150)+ How do I get a double-click in Xlib? Users of Xt have the support of the translation manager to help get notification of double-clicking. There is no good way to get only a double-click in Xlib, because the protocol does not provide enough support to do double-clicks. You have to do client-side timeouts, unless the single-click action is such that you can defer actually taking it until you next see an event from the server. Thus, you have to do timeouts, which means system-dependent code. On most UNIXish implementations, you can use XConnectionNumber to get the file descriptor of the X connection and then use select() or something similar on that. Note that many user-interface references suggest that a double-click be used to extend the action indicated by a single-click; if this is the case in your interface then you can execute the first action and as a compromise check the timestamp on the second event to determine whether it, too, should be the single-click action or the double-click action. [Thanks to mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse), 4/93] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 151)! How do I render rotated text? Xlib intentionally does not provide such sophisticated graphics capabilities, leaving them up to server-extensions or clients-side graphics libraries. Your only choice, if you want to stay within the core X protocol, is to render the text into a pixmap, read it back via XGetImage(), rotate it ""by hand"" with whatever matrices you want, and put it back to the server via XPutImage(); more specifically: 1) create a bitmap B and write your text to it. 2) create an XYBitmap image I from B (via XGetImage). 3) create an XYBitmap Image I2 big enough to handle the transformation. 4) for each x,y in I2, I2(x,y) = I(a,b) where a = x * cos(theta) - y * sin(theta) b = x * sin(theta) + y * cos(theta) 5) render I2 Note that you should be careful how you implement this not to lose bits; an algorithm based on shear transformations may in fact be better. The high-level server-extensions and graphics packages available for X also permit rendering of rotated text: Display PostScript, PEX, PHiGS, and GKS, although most are not capable of arbitrary rotation and probably do not use the same fonts that would be found on a printer. In addition, if you have enough access to the server to install a font on it, you can create a font which consists of letters rotated at some predefined angle. Your application can then itself figure out placement of each glyph. [courtesy der Mouse (mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu), Eric Taylor (etaylor@wilkins.bmc.tmc.edu), and Ken Lee (klee@synoptics.com), 11/90; Liam Quin (lee@sq.com), 12/90] InterViews (C++ UI toolkit, in the X contrib software) has support for rendering rotated fonts in X. It could be one source of example code. [Brian R. Smith (brsmith@cs.umn.edu), 3/91] Another possibility is to use the Hershey Fonts; they are stroke-rendered and can be used by X by converting them into XDrawLine requests. [eric@pencom.com, 10/91] The xrotfont program by Alan Richardson (mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk) (posted to comp.sources.x July 14 1992) paints a rotated font by implementing the method above and by using an outline (Hershey) font. The xvertext package by Alan Richardson (mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk) is a set of functions to facilitate the writing of text at any angle. Version 3.0 was recently released to alt.sources and comp.sources.misc [3/93]; it is also on export as contrib/xvertext.3.0.shar.Z. O'Reilly's X Resource Volume 3 includes information from HP about modifications to the X fonts server which provide for rotated and scaled text. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 152) What is the X Registry? (How do I reserve names?) There are places in the X Toolkit, in applications, and in the X protocol that define and use string names. The context is such that conflicts are possible if different components use the same name for different things. The MIT X Consortium maintains a registry of names in these domains: orgainization names, selection names, selection targets, resource types, application classes, and class extension record types; and several others. The list as of 7/91 is in the directory mit/doc/Registry on the R5 tape; it is also available by sending ""send docs registry"" to the xstuff mail server. To register names (first come, first served) or to ask questions send to xregistry@expo.lcs.mit.edu; be sure to include a postal address for confirmation. [11/90; condensed from Asente/Swick Appendix H] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net ""Just the FAQs, ma'am."" -- Joe Friday -- David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc. day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net ";-1;0 "From: apodaca@spot.Colorado.EDU (mu'tafikah) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: University of Blaspheme Lines: 20 I don't understand who this post is directed towards; who are you trying to convince? By its subject i would assume you are directing the argument towards people who do not believe that Christ rose from the dead, but in your ""proof,"" you use the bible exclusively. The post is therefore immediately useless to anyone who doesn't believe that the bible is an unadulterated truth, and to everyone else, it is just a reaffirmation of a belief already held. As far as i know, there is no disagreement between christians over the resurrection of christ. so my question is: what is the purpose of this post? tomas -- ""Because no battle is ever won he said. They are not even fought. the field only reveals to man his own folly and despair, and victory is an illusion of philosophers and fools."" William Faulkner ";-1;0 "From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 william@fractl.tn.cornell.edu writes: : In article <1993Apr15.215747.17331@m5.harvard.edu>, borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) writes: : >The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the : >draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, : >and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior : >with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us : >on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and : >Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. : >Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. : >Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. : > : > : > - Dave Borden : > borden@m5.harvard.edu : : : You selfish little bastard. Afraid you might have to sacrafice somthing : for your country. What someone not approve a lone for you ? To bad. : What is immoral is: people like you and the current president who don't : have any idea why this country still exists after 200+ years. This country still exists after 200+ years because the people have to be forced by the government to fight in foreign wars? I don't think so... Bill . ";-1;0 "From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Distribution: usa Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 12 In article marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) writes: >I guess I wasn't clear enough here. I said the roads WERE designed for >speeds of 80 or so and still be safe. The current 55-65 will add a saftey >margin. They were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 - I forget the exact spec - but for military vehicles. That's 80 in a 1958 Dodge Powerwagon. Not 80 in a 1993 Ford Taurus. ";-1;0 "From: kjk3@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen J. Kelly) Subject: Re: Protective gear Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu I second the boots... oil spots from cars are particularly slippery when parking the bikes, and good boots help here as well. -- Squid ";-1;0 "From: todd@nickel.laurentian.ca Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes?y Organization: Laurentian University Lines: 48 In article , marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: > Those with Bibles on hand can give the exact chapter & verse... > At the time Jesus told Peter that he was the ""rock"", He said > whatever you hold true on earth is held true in heaven, and > whatever you don't hold true won't be true in heaven. > > Therefore, with respect to marriage, the ceremony has to be > done by an RC priest. No big parties required. Just the priest, > the couple and witnesses. ""Divorce"" is not allowed. But anullments > are granted upon approval by either the bishop or the Pope > (not sure if the Pope delegates this function). > Maybe I'm a little tired but I can't seem to follow the logic here. If whatever is held true on earth is held true in heaven how is it that a priest (RC only apparently) is required. In fact if I read the next verse correctly (Matthew 18:19) I understand that for a marriage to take place only two are required to agree on earth touching one thing and it shall be done. Todd > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' > marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | > The Lost Los Angelino | [Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any completely precise statements about what is needed. (As usual, the current edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia is frustratingly vague.) I do know that the priest is viewed as a witness, and thus in some sense would not be required. However part of the purpose of formal marriage is to avoid any ambiguity about who has and has not taken on the commitment. The community provides support to marriage, and in cases of problems are involved in helping to make sure that the people carry out as much of their commitment as possible. Thus marriage must be a public commitment. The presence of a priest is required for a regular marriage. Where I'm not clear is exactly where the boundaries are in exceptional cases (""valid but irregular""). Ne Temere (1907) says that no marriage involving a Catholic is valid without a priest (according to the Oxford Dictionary of the Church), and they imply that the new canon law retains this, but I'd rather see a more recent and authoritative source. Note that while a Catholic priest is required for Catholics, the Catholic church does recognize marriage between baptized non-Catholics as valid without a priest. --clh] ";17;1 "From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada Lines: 34 > > Can these questions be answered for a previous > > instance, such as the Gehrels 3 that was mentioned in an earlier posting? > Orbital Elements of Comet 1977VII (from Dance files) > p(au) 3.424346 > e 0.151899 > i 1.0988 > cap_omega(0) 243.5652 > W(0) 231.1607 > epoch 1977.04110 Thanks for the information! I assume p is the semi-major axis and e the eccentricity. The peri- helion and aphelion are then given by p(1-e) and p(1+e), i.e., about 2.90 and 3.95 AU respectively. For Jupiter, they are 4.95 and 5.45 AU. If 1977 was after the temporary capture, this means that the comet ended up in an orbit that comes no closer than 1 AU to Jupiter's -- which I take to be a rough indication of how far from Jupiter it could get under Jupiter's influence. > Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were: > > April 1973 83 jupiter radii > August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. So the 1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove. Is that the case for the 1973 figure as well? -- Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto ""Remember the Golgafrinchans"" utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com -- Pete Granger This article is in the public domain. ";2;1 "From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 24 In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: > e, >Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts >lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis >Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Helll >is he thinking. If memory serves me well, Alicea hit it, and damn near tied the game. Torre obviously knows his players better than you do. See y'all at the ballyard Go Braves Chop Chop Michael Mule' -- Michael Andre Mule Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu ";14;1 "From: loving@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Loving) Subject: specs on eprom data formats Nntp-Posting-Host: lanai.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Lines: 10 I need the specs on various eprom data formats such as Intel Hex, Motorola S JEDEC etc. Can anyone out there provide such info or a pointer to it? The one I want the most is Intel Hex. Mike ";11;1 "From: kimd@rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu (Daniel Chungwan Kim) Subject: WANTED: Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS Keywords: projector Nntp-Posting-Host: rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu Lines: 9 I am looking for Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS. If anybody out there has one for sale, send email with the name of brand, condition of the projector, and price for sale to kimd@rpi.edu (IT MUST HAVE SOUND CAPABILITY) Danny kimd@rpi.edu ";-1;0 "From: cgschot@cs.ruu.nl (Gerco Schot) Subject: Ray Tracing Pictures Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 23 For those who are interested in Ray Traced pictures, there is a nice example on alt.binaries.pictures.misc. The file is called Poolball.gif. It shows a pooltable with... YES! ... poolballs! Resolution: 1024x768, colours: 256 (only). The TGA (24 bit) version is also available, but a bit big (2.4Mb) to post. The picture is created with POV-ray. Enjoy! _Gerco_ __cgschot@cs.ruu.nl__ -- ___________________________________ / \ \___________________________________/ /_ Gerco Schot (cgschot@cs.ruu.nl) _\ ";-1;0 "From: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM (Jason Cockroft) Subject: Re: ""Give Blood"" Tee Shirts Article-I.D.: jethro.1pqkfp$d96 Reply-To: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM Distribution: world Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: rambler.eng.sun.com >The shirts are believe or not from a Bob Probert line of clothes. >The whole shirt says ""Give Blood - Fight Probie"". Cool. They sound like a cult classic. Can someone post a address or phone # of a store that sells these? Thanks, -jake. ";-1;0 "From: msunde01@mik.uky.edu (Mark Underwood) Subject: Re: help - how to construct home-built battery for 3rd grade sci report Nntp-Posting-Host: nx26.mik.uky.edu Reply-To: msunde01@mik.uky.edu Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Distribution: usa Lines: 29 In article borowski@spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski) writes: > Dean Anneser (anneser@pwa-b.uucp) wrote: > : My 9 yr old son has signed up to do a science report on batteries. I was > : wondering if anyone could provide me with some information as to how to > : construct a home-built battery. In my grade school days, I remember (snip!) I haven't been following this, so I'm sorry if somebody already mentioned this, but you could grab a lemon (I think potatoes work too, but I'm not sure), a strip of copper, and a strip of zinc (I think you can get the metal in a hardware store or hobby shop, maybe??). Stick the strips in the lemon (so they don't touch!) and you'll get a measurable voltage (not a lot, but, hey, it's a lemon :-) ). As I recall we had to hook something like ten of these things to get an appreciable amount of current, because of the mondo internal resistance, but if you just need a demo you might get it to run a tiny fan or something! :-) Mark S. Underwood EE Student, University of Kentucky Lab Assistant, Boyd Hall Microlab (a tiny little division of UK Library Microlabs) E-Mail: msunde01@mik.uky.edu ";11;1 "From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose) Subject: Duo 230 slowdown problems Nntp-Posting-Host: rocza.eff.org Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation Lines: 33 I'm a system and network admin. One of my users has a Duo 230 ([*]specifications below) that has been having slowdown problems. Leaving the Duo on for several hours causes it to slow down unacceptably. It can take 10-15 seconds to change applications. During this time it is completely hung. If he reboots, the problem goes away (For a while). It seems the system is getting itself into a wedged configuration. He's re-installed System 7.1 and rebuilt the desktop. Neither of these have helped. It's possible that it's network-related, he uses Eudora which checks his email every 10 minutes (over Ethernet). He hasn't checked to see if this problem occurs while undocked (he's docked most of the time). Little to no non-Apple inits, I don't want to start yanking the rest unless I know that might *really* be the problem. He hasn't tried zapping the PRAM, I have advised him to do that next. Anyone who has ideas, I'd love to hear about them. I'd call Apple, but I've found they're best to call during the week (it's Sunday evening). [*] Powerbook Duo 230 16/120. 12mb RAM card from Tech Works to replace non-self-refreshing 8mb card. Is using System Enabler 1.0.1. Express Modem (including latest software). Has been to Apple Dealer for Keyboard replacement. -- Helen Trillian Rose Kapor Enterprises, Inc. email eff@eff.org for EFF Info Electronic Frontier Foundation Flames to: Systems and Networks Administration women-not-to-be-messed-with@eff.org ";-1;0 "From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++ Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 23 Reply-To: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) says: >In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: >|> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about >|> it! >|> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net. That's 825 miles >|> according to my odometer! >mark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in >massachusetts (or was it connecticut?). I sold a bike via the net to a young lady who lived in Salt Lake City. I live near Lost Angeles. It turned out we had mutual aquaintances at UCLA as well. -- Al Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke 'blad Iaido NASA ""Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"" -Mary Chapin-Carpenter ";-1;0 "From: feilimau@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Yale Lin) Subject: mac IIsi power limitations Summary: what are they? Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 17 Readers, I own a Mac IIsi and am considering upgrades (cards, hard drive, etc). Can you tell me what the power limitations are for 1) the PDS slot and 2) the hard drive power feed. Secondly, Can you tell me if there is a separate limit for each, or if instead, there is a single limit for both combined? Please drop me a line if you know the answers to these questions. Thanks, felix lin feilimau@leland.stanford.edu ";-1;0 "From: Lars.Jorgensen@p7.syntax.bbs.bad.se (Lars Jorgensen) Subject: Externel processes for 3D Studio Reply-To: Lars.Jorgensen@p7.syntax.bbs.bad.se (Lars Jorgensen) Distribution: world Organization: Nr. 5 p} NatR}b OD-Comment-To: Internet_Gateway Lines: 13 To:All Hi, Does anybody have the source code to the externel processes that comes with 3D Studio, and mabe som kind of DOC for writing the processes your self. /Lars +++ Author: Lars_Jorgensen@p7.syntax.bbs.bad.se, Syntax BBS, Denmark --- GoldED 2.41 ";-1;0 "From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 49 hoover@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes: >In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au >(Enzo Liguori) writes: >> hideous vision of the future. Observers were >>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the >>pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the >This is ok in my opinion as long as the stuff *returns to earth*. >>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize >>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. >If this turns out to be true, it's time to get seriously active in >terrorism. This is unbelievable! Who do those people think they are, >selling every bit that promises to make money? I guess we really >deserve being wiped out by uv radiation, folks. ""Stupidity wins"". I >guess that's true, and if only by pure numbers. > Another depressed planetary citizen, > hoover This isn't inherently bad. This isn't really light pollution since it will only be visible shortly before or after dusk (or during the day). (Of course, if night only lasts 2 hours for you, you're probably going to be inconvienenced. But you're inconvienenced anyway in that case). Finally: this isn't the Bronze Age, and most of us aren't Indo European; those people speaking Indo-Eurpoean languages often have much non-indo-european ancestry and cultural background. So: please try to remember that there are more human activities than those practiced by the Warrior Caste, the Farming Caste, and the Priesthood. And why act distressed that someone's found a way to do research that doesn't involve socialism? It certianly doesn't mean we deserve to die. -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man ";-1;0 "From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) Subject: Re: White House Wiretap Chip Disinformation Sheet Keywords: Big Bubba Is Watching. Article-I.D.: qualcom.rdippold.735041031 Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 10 Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) writes: >Fascinating. Most of the content of the White House announcements was >in what was *not* said. It gives us almost nothing of value, threatens to >take away a lot, and does it with a sincere smile on its face, >and the nice friendly word ""Management"". The computer, err, government, is your friend. Have a nice day (under penalty of law). -- To refuse praise is to seek praise twice. ";16;1 "From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 45 In article <1r3qab$o1v@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article <930421.102525.9Y9.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew writes: >#frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >#> In article <930420.100544.6n0.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew >#> writes: >#> #This is complete nonsense. Relativism means saying that there is no absolut >#> #standard of morality; it does NOT mean saying that all standards of morality >#> #are equally good. >#> >#> Presumably this means that some moral systems are better than others? >#> How so? How do you manage this without an objective frame of reference? ># Either Frank O'Dwyer or mathew said: [...stiff deleted...] >#Which goes faster, a bullet or a snail? How come you can answer that when >#Einstein proved that there isn't an objective frame of reference? [...stiff deleted...] Speed is a quantifiable measure resulting from a set of methods that will result in the same value measured no matter the reference. A bullet with zero velocity sitting on a table on a train moving 60mph will be moving at a speed of (a) 0mph to someone on the train. (b) 60mph to someone stationary next to the train. The reference frame makes the speed relative. But what's interesting here is that every person on the train will see a stationary bullet. Every person off, a bullet moving 60mph. I know of no train where all the people on it, every time it is filled, will see a moral problem in exactly the same way. -- jim halat halat@bear.com bear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you-- nyc i speak only for myself ";-1;0 "From: Center for Policy Research Subject: H.R. violations by Israel/Arab st. Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500360:000:2383 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 24 16:07:00 1993 Lines: 48 Many of you ask me whether I approve of severe human rights violations by Arab States becuse I focus on Israeli human rights violations. Let's make things clear: My opposition to H.R. violations in Arab States is total and without qualification. No Arab State is and can claim to be democratic. No Arab state claims to be democratic. I am born in Palestine (now Israel). I have family there. The lack of peace and utter injustice in my home country has affected me all my life. I am concerned by Palestine (Israel) because I want peace to come to it. Peace AND justice. If anybody has legitimate claims towards Arab states, he should present his claims and ask for support. Jews who left Arab states are fully entitled to make claims and should do so, if they consider their case has a merit. It is their basic right to return to these countries, if they wish. If not, they should not complain and compare themselves to the Palestinians who have been struggling for the right of return since Israel was established and whose right is upheld by the United Nations quasi totally. If Jews feel discriminated in Arab countries, they have a legitimate claim that any decent person can and should support. Human rights violations by Arab States don't justify, legitimate nor are the cause for Israeli breaches of international law and human rioghts. Israeli breaches stem from the Zionist concept, which can only be implemented by negating basic rights to Palestinians. Israeli trights and Palestinian rights are not symmetrical. The first party has a state and the other has none. The first is an occupier and the second the occupied. For any meaningful relationship to emerge, some symmetry must be established. As long as Israelis and Jews don't realise the necessity of a change of perspective towards the Palestinian people and as long as Israelis and Jews don't want to exorcise their own past towards the Palestinians (the Naqba of 1948, etc.) and refuse to acknowledge that the creation of Israel was dependent upon the removal of most Palestinian Arabs, there will be no base for a real trust. When I read the first time the list of the 383 Arab villages destroyed by the State of Israel in and after 1948, I got a shock. I hope others will be touched by this discovery and think about the meaning of such massive destruction and destitution. Elias Davidsson Iceland ";-1;0 "From: un034214@wvnvms.wvnet.edu Subject: M-MOTION VIDEO CARD: YUV to RGB ? Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing Lines: 21 I am trying to convert an m-motion (IBM) video file format YUV to RGB data... THE Y portion is a byte from 0-255 THE V is a byte -127-127 THe color is U and V and the intensity is Y DOes anyone have any ideas for algorhtyms or programs ? Can someone tell me where to get info on the U and V of a television signal ? IF you need more info reply at the e-mail address... Basically what I am doing is converting a digital NTSC format to RGB (VGA) for displaying captured video pictures. Thanks. THE U is a byte -127-127 ";-1;0 "Subject: Amplifiers and Speakers From: krschimm@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (Karl Schimmel) Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks Lines: 27 FOR SALE(of course) Linear Power model 952 IQ 2 channel automotive stereo amplifier 95 watts peak per channel 2 ohm stable fidelity tested $100 You pay shipping 1 Pair (two (2)) Mobile Authority woofers 10 inch 2 inch voice coil 20 oz magnet 130 watt peak power handeling 4 ohms $40 for both, you pay shipping (will not sell seperatly) reply thru e-mail to: Karl R. Schimmel The Wichita State University %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %krschimm at twsuvax krschimm@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ";-1;0 "From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 18 dwight tuinstra posts a very interesting message in which he comments on the effects of the Clipper chip on state and local police. Actually, reading between the lines, it could be a very good thing for civil liberties in one respect, since it will at least prevent cowboy cops and cowboy state and local agancies from reading your traffic if they tap it illegally. There has been extensive discussion in the eff forum, for example, about inadmissible taps being used to develop information that could then lead to admissible evidence. This might put a stop to such things, which must from time to time be simple fishing expeditions. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. ";-1;0 "From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse) Subject: NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4-15-93 Organization: AT&T Keywords: thursday night's boxscores Lines: 227 NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4/15/93. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STANDINGS PATRICK ADAMS NORRIS SMYTHE TM W L T PT TM W L T PT TM W L T PT TM W L T PT xPIT 56 21 7 119 xBOS 51 26 7 109 xCHI 47 25 12 106 xVAN 46 29 9 101 yWAS 42 34 7 91 yQUE 47 27 10 104 yDET 47 28 9 103 yCAL 43 30 11 97 yNJ 40 36 7 87 yMON 48 30 6 102 yTOR 44 29 11 99 yLA 39 35 10 88 yNYI 39 37 7 85 yBUF 38 36 10 86 ySTL 37 36 11 85 yWIN 40 37 7 87 PHL 35 37 11 81 HAR 26 51 6 58 MIN 36 38 10 82 EDM 26 50 8 60 NYR 34 38 11 79 OTT 10 70 4 24 TB 23 54 7 53 SJ 11 71 2 24 x - Clinched Division Title y - Clinched Playoff Berth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Minnesota North Stars (36-38-10) 1 1 1 - 3 Detroit Red Wings (47-28-9) 0 2 3 - 5 1st period: MIN, McPhee 18 - (Ludwig) 1:23 2nd period: MIN, Dahlen 34 - (Courtnall, Gagner) (pp) 0:31 DET, Drake 18 - (Howe, Ogrodnick) 9:14 DET, Ysebaert 34 - (Lidstrom, Howe) (pp) 17:37 3rd period: DET, Ciccarelli 41 - (Coffey, Chiasson) (pp) 0:32 DET, Kennedy 19 - (Burr, Probert) 3:42 DET, Yzerman 58 - (Ciccarelli, Gallant) 6:17 MIN, Dahlen 35 - (Courtnall, Gagner) 19:11 Powerplay Opportunities-North Stars 1 of 2 Red Wings 2 of 4 Shots on GOal- North Stars 10 9 11 - 30 Red Wings 6 15 8 - 29 Minnesota North Stars--Casey (26-26-5) (29 shots - 24 saves) Detroit Red Wings--Cheveldae (34-24-7) (30 shots - 27 saves) ATT-19,749 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philadelphia Flyers (35-37-11) 1 2 4 - 7 Buffalo Sabres (38-36-10) 0 3 1 - 4 1st period: PHL, Recchi 52 - (Galley, Lindros) 0:18 2nd period: PHL, Hawgood 11 - (Dineen, Eklund) (pp) 2:15 PHL, Dineen 33 - (McGill) (sh) 5:40 BUF, Barnaby 1 - (Hawerchuk, Smehlik) (pp) 7:48 BUF, Wood 18 - (LaFontaine, Ledyard) (pp) 17:34 BUF, Mogilny 75 - (Hawerchuk, Carney) (pp) 18:56 3rd period: PHL, Eklund 11 - (Dineen, Beranek) 4:42 BUF, Mogilny 76 - (Errey, LaFontaine) 5:24 PHL, Dineen 34 - (Brind'Amour) (pp) 6:44 PHL, Dineen 35 - (Brind'Amour, Galley) (sh) 8:39 PHL, Acton 8 - (Dineen, Brind'Amour) 19:48 Powerplay Opportunities-Flyers 2 of 5 Sabres 3 of 10 SHots on Goal- Flyers 6 7 13 - 26 Sabres 8 19 18 - 45 Philadelphia Flyers--Soderstrom (20-17-6) (45 shots - 41 saves) Buffalo Sabres--Fuhr (10 shots - 7 saves) Hasek (11-10-4) (5:40 second) (16 shots - 12 saves) ATT-15,042 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edmonton Oilers (26-50-8) 0 0 0 - 0 Winnipeg Jets (40-37-7) 1 2 0 - 3 1st period: WIN, Shannon 20 - (Steen, Davydov) (pp) 2:08 2nd period: WIN, Selanne 76 - (Olausson) 5:25 WIN, Zhamnov 25 - (Selanne) 19:42 3rd period: NONE Powerplay Opportunities-Oilers 0 of 3 Jets 1 of 6 SHots on GOal- Oilers 7 8 16 - 31 Jets 10 16 16 - 42 Edmonton Oilers--Ranford (17-38-6) (42 shots - 39 saves) Winnipeg Jets--Essensa (33-26-6) (31 shots - 31 saves) ATT-12,229 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Toronto Maple Leafs (44-29-11) 1 1 0 - 2 Chicago BlackHawks (47-25-12) 0 2 1 - 3 1st period: TOR, Baumgartner 1 - 18:40 2nd period: CHI, Roenick 50 - (Murphy, Chelios) 1:29 TOR, Andreychuk 55 - (Mironov, Lefebvre) 13:22 CHI, Murphy 7 - (Roenick, Chelios) (pp) 19:05 3rd period: CHI, Matteau 15 - 10:51 Powerplay Opportunities-Maple Leafs 1 of 3 BlackHawks 1 of 7 Shots on Goal- Maple Leafs 14 4 8 - 26 BlackHawks 10 13 13 - 36 Toronto Maple Leafs--Potvin (25-15-7) (36 shots - 33 saves) Chicago BlackHawks--Belfour (41-18-11) (26 shots - 24 saves) ATT-17,856 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tampa Bay Lightning (23-54-7) 0 2 3 - 5 St. Louis Blues (37-36-11) 3 3 0 - 6 1st period: STL, Shanahan 50 - (Brown, Felsner) 10:44 STL, Miller 23 - (Bassen, Brown) 19:38 STL, Bassen 8 - (Zombo) 19:48 2nd period: STL, Bassen 9 - (Hedican, Miller) 0:14 STL, Miller 24 - (Zombo, Hedican) 11:09 TBL, Maltais 7 - (Hamrlik) 11:27 TBL, Bergland 3 - (Harvey, Gilhen) 17:16 TBL, Shanahan 51 - (Emerson) 19:38 3rd period: TBL, Creighton 19 - (Bergland, Bergevin) 0:40 TBL, Chambers 10 - (Zamuner, Cole) 10:37 TBL, Cole 12 - (Beers, Bradley) 11:58 Powerplay Opportunities-Lightning 0 of 3 Blues 0 of 4 SHots on GOal- Lightning 5 12 14 - 31 Blues 11 11 4 - 26 Tampa Bay Lightning--Jablonski (8-24-4) (22 shots - 16 saves) Bergeron (0:00 third) (4 shots - 4 saves) St. Louis Blues--Joseph (29-28-9) (18 shots - 15 saves) Hebert (19:20 third) (13 shots - 11 saves) ATT-17,816 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- San Jose Sharks (11-71-2) 0 1 2 - 3 Calgary Flames (43-30-11) 0 4 3 - 7 1st period: NONE 2nd period: SJS, Garpenlov 22 - (Odgers, Gaudreau) (pp) 3:37 CAL, Nieuwendyk 38 - (MacInnis, Suter) (pp) 5:26 CAL, Ranheim 21 - (Otto, Suter) 10:43 CAL, Yawney 1 - (Nieuwendyk, Roberts) 11:26 CAL, Berube 4 - (Paslawski, Skrudland) 13:45 3rd period: SJS, Wood 1 - (Odgers, Kisio) 8:00 CAL, Reichel 40 - 9:26 CAL, Roberts 38 - (Musil, Paslawski) (pp) 12:27 SJS, Kisio 26 - 13:10 CAL, Paslawski 18 - (Ashton, Stern) 16:16 Powerplay Opportunities-Sharks 1 of 3 Flames 2 of 4 Shots on Goal- Sharks 5 11 9 - 25 Flames 11 14 7 - 32 San Jose Sharks--Irbe (7-25-0) (32 shots - 25 saves) Calgary Flames--Vernon (29-26-9) (25 shots - 22 saves) ATT-19,532 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vancouver Canucks (46-29-9) 1 2 5 - 8 Los Angeles Kings (39-35-10) 2 3 1 - 6 1st period: LAK, Robitaille 63 - (Gretzky, Sandstrom) 1:39 VAN, Babych 3 - (Craven, Nedved) (pp) 9:43 LAK, Sandstrom 25 - (Gretzky, Robitaille) 10:06 2nd period: VAN, Linden 32 - (Ronning, Courtnall) (pp) 0:54 VAN, Ward 22 - (Hunter, Nedved) 1:24 LAK, Gretzky 16 - (Sandstrom, Robitaille) 6:57 LAK, Zhitnik 12 - (Kurri, Robitaille) (pp) 14:02 LAK, Millen 23 - (Hardy) (pp) 16:57 3rd period: VAN, Ronning 27 - (Dirk) 5:28 VAN, Ronning 28 - (Courtnall, Linden) (pp) 11:15 VAN, Linden 33 - (Courtnall, Ronning) 11:27 LAK, Donnelly 29 - (Millen, Granato) (pp) 14:35 VAN, Courtnall 31 - (Ronning, Ratushny) 14:54 VAN, Ronning 29 - (Linden, Diduck) (en) 18:47 Powerplay Opportunities-Canucks 3 of 6 Kings 3 of 10 Shots on Goal- Canucks 8 6 16 - 30 Kings 10 21 10 - 41 Vanocuver Canucks--Whitmore (18-8-4) (41 shots - 35 saves) Los Angeles Kings--Stauber (23 shots - 17 saves) Hrudey (17-21-6) (11:27 third) (6 shots - 5 saves) ATT-16,005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \|||||/ -SPIKE- ";-1;0 "From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Nntp-Posting-Host: whale.st.usm.edu Organization: University of Southern Mississippi Lines: 145 First, I would like to say how much I appreciate having so literate and erudite an individual as Mr. Rutledge with whom to discuss this topic. Frankly, most anti-RKBA posters refuse even to approach the topic of the original understanding of the Bill of Rights as detailed in the writings of the era. This is most refreshing. Second, I must apologize for leaving the discussion for several days. My brigade's quarterly drill was this weekend and I needed to attend to several matters pertaining to the State Militia. Some people seem to feel that the concept of the Militia is an anachro- nism that is out of place in the 20th century. I'm not sure the Swiss would agree and I think perhaps a discussion of how the Militia, both organized and unorganized, fits into the defense plans of my State, Mississippi. Please do not assume that this describes something peculiar to one southern state. For instance, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts has a well organized Militia which, members report, maintains stocks of both riot guns and machine guns. The laws of other States will vary but are probably similar. Title 35 of Mississippi Code defines our Militia as ""all able-bodied citizens of the state between the ages of seventeen (17) and sixty- two (62) years..."". The Militia is divided into 3 classes: The National Guard, the Mississippi State Guard and the unorganized Militia. The National Guard is a strange sort of fish from a Constitutional perspective. It tries to be both State Militia and Federal Reserve. The discussion of this ""para-constitutional"" arrangement is quite interesting in itself but somewhat beyond the scope of this discussion. Suffice it that, at this date, the National Guard has ceased to have any Constitutional standing as anything but a Federal reserve force. Mississippi, and most other States, maintains a purely State organized Militia. In Mississippi this is called The State Guard. In other States it may be called something else. The State Guard exists as a cadre or training corps made up of mostly experienced officers and senior NCOs who serve as volunteers without compensation. We drill on a monthly basis at the company and battalion level, brigade once a quarter and have an annual drill of the whole organization. Our State-authorized cadre strength is 694. This is a skeleton of an organization without any flesh. The muscle and sinew when needed will come from the unorganized Militia. In time of invasion, insurrection or calamity the Governor can order the activation of the State Guard. When this takes place a call will first be made for volunteers to fill the organization out to either its contingency strength of 2194 or full strength of 4910. In the event that a sufficient number of people fail to volunteer, the law provides detailed instructions for the conducting of a draft of the unorganized Militia. The size of the State Guard is not specified by law, but rather by executive order. At one time, the organized Militia of Mississippi consisted of 68 regiments. Needless to say, the State does not have armories brimming with weapons with which to equip such a force. The historical precedent for arming such a force is by use of mostly the private arms of the Militiamen. It is my hope that demonstrates that State Militias are far from being the long dead anachronisms that some may wish to claim. >No, I simple stated that the people have a right to ""join a well >organized militia."" And I have also stated that a militia that >meets once or twice a year is clearly ""well organized."" And this >state of readiness that I have claimed the people have a ""right"" >to, is the same state of readiness expected of the militia as stated >by Hamilton. Regarding Hamilton: If you take Hamilton's opinion as being the sole representative of the opinions of the Founding Fathers, you will have chosen a highly skewed sample set. Hamilton was on the extreme Federalist end of the political spectrum. Others, such as Coxe and Henry, can be chosen to represent the other end. Many contemporaries felt that the idea of having a standing Army of any sort or even a select Militia or ""train bands"" were contrary to the egalitarian nature of the govern- ment they were striving to perfect. The compromise reached was to provide for a small Army, which had to be refinanced every two years, and iron-clad protection for the Militia, which was to remain ever, ""terrible and irresistible"". These protections included: State control, not Federal; limitation of Federal utilization of the Militia (i.e. execute Laws, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions), and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms to prevent what the British had tried to do at Lexington. These limitations eventually proved so onerous to the Federal Govern- ment that they were skirted by the creation of the National Guard. The National Guard was created for one very simple reason: the Constitutional Militia was had proved too unreliable for fighting wars of imperial expansion. (e.g. Spanish-American War). The Constitution provided that the Militia could only be employed by the Federal government in very limited purposes. As far back as the War of 1812, Militia units had refused to leave United States territory to attack the enemy. Further, there was no Constitutional authorization for any conscription of anyone into the Federal Military and Militiamen were particularly protected. In all wars until WW-I every American who left the country under arms was a volunteer. When the National Guard acts of 1903-1916 required that each new member also enlist as a reservest in the Army, existing soldiers were ""grandfathered"". At least one of these ""grandfathered"" individuals refused to go to France in 1918 and his refusal was upheld by the Federal Courts. Mr. Rutledge has stated that the Second Amendment applies only to members of a ""well organized"" militia. However, the pre-Constitutional history of the American Militia shows relatively few periods when The Militia came close to meeting either Messrs. Rutledge or Hamilton's definition of ""well organized"". In the period of peace between the French & Indian War and The Revolution many companies simply stopped drilling and had to be reconstituted just prior to The Revolution. Perhaps Mr. Rutledge would care to argue that those of my ancestors who answered the Lexington alarm had forfeited their rights because their units didn't drill for a few years in the 1760s. I would not be so bold. Again, I wish to repeat. The National Guard, for all its merits, is not the Militia described by the Constitution nor by Mr. Hamilton nor by Mr. Henry nor by Mr. Coxe. The fact that the Federal Government and many States are delinquent in their attentions to and organizing of their Constitutional Militias diminishes neither their responsibilities nor the rights of the Militia as detailed in the Constitution. Misunderstanding of the nature and purpose of the Militia is but one error that has crept into modern readings of the Constitution. The Constitution prohibits States from keeping ""Troops or Ships of War in time of Peace"". I have heard some insist this prevents States from maintaining a Militia, but this comes about because people today do not understand the meanings of the words in their 18th century usage. Today we call any large vessel a ""ship"" but in the 18th century the word described a particular kind of vessel. A ""ship"" is a large vessel with three or more masts each carrying square rigged sails. A ""brig"" has two masts. In the contemporary usage the States were prohibited only from keeping the largest warships of the day, those capable of global operations. Today's equivalent might be a prohibition on the States' keeping nuclear missiles. ""Troops"" at this time meant a full-time professional military organization. Any study of contemporaneous writings will bear this out. In at least one respect, I am in agreement with Mr. Rutledge; being personally involved in the maintenance and advancement of The Militia as a viable means of defense for a modern society, I am frequently both bemused and saddened when friends and associates wax poetic on their place in the unorganized Militia and become strangely silent or scarce when invited to attend a drill of their State's Militia. -- Donald R. Newcomb * University of Southern Mississippi dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu * This is the way we tax and spend, tax dnewcomb@falcon.st.usm.edu * and spend. We're Democrats in office. ";3;1 "From: bruce@liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool Lines: 49 >>>>> On 5 May 93 06:51:23 GMT, shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) said: > In article FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu (Hardcore Alaskan) writes: >> >>I hope that anyone who remembers seeing Rev. Troy Perry's >>""performance"" at the 1987 March On Washington will see for themselves >>just how inconceivable it is to mix Christianity with homosexuality. > Whether or not Christianity and homosexuality are compatible is clearly > debatable, since it IS being debated. In my opnion, it is genuinely > destuctive to the cause of Christianity to use this sort of ad hominem > argument to oppose one's adversaries. It only serves to further drive > people away from Christianity because it projects and confirms the > frequently held opinion that Christians are unable to think critically > and intelligently. I agree entirely. Speaking as an atheist (heterosexual, for what it's worth), this is one of the least attractive parts of some varieties of Christianity. Although I'm sure it's possible to argue theologically that we shouldn't make analogies between discrimination on the basis of sex and race and discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, morally the case looks unanswerable (for those outside religion): the three forms _are_ analogous; we shouldn't discriminate on the basis of sex, race or sexual orientation. I found the moderator's FAQs on the subject instructive, and recommend everyone to read them. There seem to be three different levels of acceptance: 1) Regard homosexual orientation as a sin (or evil, whatever) 2) Regard homosexual behaviour as a sin, but accept orientation (though presumably orientation is unfortunate) and dislike people who indulge 3) As 2, but ""love the sinner"" 4) Accept homosexuality altogether. My experience is that 3 is the most common attitude (I imagine 1 and 2 are limited to a few fundamentalist sects). I suppose I can go along with 3, except that I have this feeling that a 14--15 year old living in a community with this attitude, on discovering that they were more attracted to members of the same sex, would not feel the love of the community, but would rather feel the pressure not to exhibit their feelings. I'm not saying that the community (in particular the parents) would not love the child, but I suspect the child would not feel loved. -- Bruce CMSR, University of Liverpool ";-1;0 "From: casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casgrain Philippe) Subject: Re: what do y'all think of the IIvx? Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 23 jfinete@cats.ucsc.edu (Joseph Manuel Finete) writes: >The IIvx...LCIII performance at a Centris 610 price. >And unless >you're running FPU-intensive software, the 610 will blow the doors off the >LCIII and the IIvx. From the benchmarks I've seen (was that in MacUser or MacWeek?) the FPU-less Centris 610 is _faster_ at floating-point operations (the kind of calculations that get routed to an FPU) than a Mac IIfx! And a Mac IIfx (68030 @ 40MHz + FPU) is _the_ fastest 030-based Mac. Take note, of course, that benchmarks never tell the whole story... Get your favorite program(s) and run them on both machines at the store. They should let you do that before you plunk down a hefty amount... Virtually, Philippe -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Philippe Casgrain Etudiant-Chercheur Casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA Departement des Sciences Biologiques Universite de Montreal #define disclaimer(caught) (caught ? ""I wasn't even there!"" : ""I didn't do it!"") ";-1;0 "From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: NONE Lines: 49 In article <1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: |> In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: |> >In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: |> >|> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: |> >|> >04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES |> >|> > |> >|> |> >|> Ermenistan kasiniyor... |> >|> |> >|> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets |> >|> into it : Armenia is getting itchy. |> >|> |> >|> Esin. |> > |> > henrik]Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; henrik]ARMENIA is NOT getting ""itchy"". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD henrik] KNOW that SHE WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get henrik] away with their FAMOUS tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH henrik] invasion of the Greek island of CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. Esin Terzioglu] Your ignorance is obvious from your posting. Esin Terzioglu] 1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish/Greek inhabitants (NOT a Greek island like your ignorant posting claims) Esin Terzioglu] 2) The name should be Cyprus (in English) Esin Terzioglu] next time read and learn before you post. Aside from spelling , why is that you TURKS DO NOT want to admit your past MISTAKES ? You know TURKISH INVASION of CYPRUS was a mistake and too bad that U.N. DID NOT do anything about it. You may ask : mistake ? Yes, I would say. Why is that the GREEKS DID NOT INVADE CYPRUS ? My response to the ""shooting down"" of a Turkish airplane over the Armenian air space was because of the IGNORANT posting of the person from your Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000 years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS BY STALIN) are the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. Agression that has NO MERCY for INOCENT people that are costantly SHELLED with MIG-23's and othe Russian aircraft. At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again. ";-1;0 "Subject: Rendering Software for Multi-processor Computer S From: wcarter@trident.datasys.swri.edu (William Carter) Organization: Southwest Research Institute Lines: 13 Hello, I am searching for rendering software which has been developed to specifically take advantage of multi-processor computer systems. Any pointers to such software would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- Billy Carter, Software Engineering Section Southwest Research Institute wcarter@swri.edu ";-1;0 "From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: Supply-Sider Lightbulb Joke Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 16 lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes: > There was once the following joke: > How many supply-siders does it take to screw in a light bulb? > None. They let the free market do it. If the free market places an attractive price on the screwing in of a light bulb, you can bet your bottom dollar that the light bulb will most certainly get screwed in -- and most promptly at that, too. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | ";-1;0 "From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich) Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Organization: Trivializers R Us Lines: 16 In <1pqu12$pmu@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) writes: >In article , mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >|> Instead, use a quartz crystal and divide its frequency by 2 40 times >|> or something like that. >... Wouldn't a crystal be affected by cold? My gut feeling is that, as a >mechanically resonating device, extreme cold is likely to affect the >compliance (?terminology?) of the quartz, and hence its resonant frequency. Yes, but in a fairly reproducible way. -40 is only a smidgen of the distance to absolute zero. And in any case you're going to have to borrow freezer space from a bio lab or someone to test/calibrate this darling anyway. Btw, you're probably going to want those big capacitors you found to fire the solenoid -- High current drain on frozen batteries can be an ugly thing. paul ";-1;0 "From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff? Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu In article <1993Apr20.163629.29153@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes: >I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this. I have >several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops. >And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious >things like that. My questions would not be found in those places nor >answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop. >If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc. >don't bother writing in. Thanks. I just gotta ask... What ARE these questions you want to ask an active cop? Working on your DoD qualfications? B-) ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- Stolen Taglines... * God is real, unless declared integer. * * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * ";7;1 "From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) Subject: Re: Cobra Locks Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: palm21 Organization: Cray Research Inc, Eagan, MN X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Distribution: usa Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago (doc@webrider.central.sun.com) wrote: : I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing : a motorcycle. I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock : (described below). Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock : in the Chicago area? : : Any other feedback from someone who has used this? What about the new Yamaha ""Cyclelok"" ? From the photo in Motorcyclist, it looks the same hardened steel as a Kryptonite U lock, except it folds in five places. It seems to extend out far enough to lock the rear tire to the tube of a parking sign or similar. Anyone had any experience with them, how easy is it to attack the lock at the jointed sections ? tony ";-1;0 "From: 8910782@sunvax.sun.ac.za Subject: Rayshade query Article-I.D.: sunvax.1993Apr23.104107.5742 Organization: University of Stellenbosch Lines: 23 Hi there I am very interested in Rayshade 4.00. I have managed to make a chessboard for Rayshade. Unfortunately I still have to do the knight (horse). Any ideas? I am also looking for a surface for the chesspieces. The board is marble. Unfortunately black won't work very well for the one side. Anybody with ideas for nice surfaces? I would also like to use the image command of rayshade and the heightfield command. Unfortunately the manual is very vague about this, and I don't have Craig Kolb's email address. Anybody with ideas, because this is essential for my next venture into raytracing. Where should I post the finished chessboard? Is there anybody else using rayshade on non-Unix systems? How fast does Unix render? Thanks Rayshade is the best program for people who loves graphics, but have no artistic talent. ";1;1 "From: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle) Subject: Re: PEM and MIME Organization: Personal Usenet site, Tujunga, CA USA Lines: 54 Distribution: world In article <1qg8m2$2e5@nigel.msen.com> emv@garnet.msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes: >W C Newell Jr (wcn@u.washington.edu) wrote: > >>Before we can have a global multimedia e-mail solution, there must be some >>definition of a minimum service level, and MIME does not provide for this >>(yet). > >Before the Internet will invest in software, people need to see content. >I would suggest that 50 attractive MIME formatted news messages a day would be >sufficient to get a few people thinking about adding MIME support to news >readers, esp if the content is really worth it. > >>IMHO, we have a long way to go before the Unix-specific MUAs, newsreaders, etc >>reach the service levels of the other commercial platforms. There ought to be >>such a definition, consisting of known object data types and rules for their >>handling, included in the transport specification document. > >Yes. But there is also a long way to go before most Mac, PC, and Windows >MUAs and newsreaders are ready to handle the sheer volume of news and mail >that many Unix specific tools are able to cope with. When the choice is >""more feechurs"" or ""make the damn thing fast enough to keep up with the >flood"", you have to bet that ""fast enough"" wins. Ed, as usual, makes a very good point. One time a friend of mine at Sun sent me an e-mail. He composed it using the Sun OpenWindows 3 ""mailtool"" which handles (non-MIME) ""attachments"" and the like. Since I don't use ""mailtool"", I had to manually save it, cut & paste, and then ""uudecode"" the actual attachment. What I got - after a not-inconsiderable amount of time spent doing this - was an audio file. The original message was over 32Kb of mail headers and uuencoded data; the resulting audio message was a single sentence that I transcribed as a 135 character message. If he had sent me the sentence in plain text, the e-mail would have been around 250 bytes, and it would have taken me about 3 seconds to process it at most. Instead, it was 32k and it took at least a minute. A complete waste of (my) time and bandwidth, as far as I'm concerned. Sending plain text is still the most efficient method of transmission, given the same transport mechanism. I shudder to think what would happen if everyone started posting their Usenet articles as audio files instead of plain text! Meltdown of the Net predicted! Film at Eleven! Back to Mono! (-: [This sub-thread no longer has anything to do with PEM or administrative] [policy, so I've redirected followups back to comp.mail.mime ... - Greg ] -- - Greg Earle Phone: (818) 353-8695 FAX: (818) 353-1877 Internet: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US UUCP: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV a.k.a. ...!elroy!isolar!earle ";-1;0 "From: idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick) Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed Keywords: polygon, needed Article-I.D.: pdxgate.7306 Organization: Portland State University, Computer Science Dept. Lines: 23 In article osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.192947.11230@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes: >> A fast polygon routine to do WHAT? >To draw polygons of course. Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, done in C and >ASM. I need a faster way to draw concave polygons that the method I have right >now, which is very slow. What kind of polygons? Shaded? Texturemapped? Hm? More comes into play with fast routines than just ""polygons"". It would be nice to know exaclty what system (VGA is a start, but what processor?) and a few of the specifics of the implementation. You need to give more info if you want to get any answers! :P - Ian Romanick Dancing Fool of Epsilon []--------------------------------------------------------------------[] | Were the contained thoughts 'opinions', EPN.NTSC.quality = Best| | PSU would probably not agree with them. | | | | ""Look, I don't know anything about | | douche, but I do know Anti-Freeze | | when I see it!"" - The Dead Milkmen | []--------------------------------------------------------------------[] ";-1;0 "From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Subject: Plus minus stat Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 26 >Post: 51246 of 51422 >Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey >From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) >Subject: Plus minus stat >Organization: University of Western Ontario >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:42:11 GMT >Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca >Lines: 165 >I'm not defending Bob Gainey...frankly, I don't care for him all >that much. But your dismissal of him as something less than an >effective hockey player is tiresome...it has no basis in >anything. How many Calders did he win? I think it was four (go ^^^^^^^ Ooops...that should read Selke...forgive me for my insolence. congenially, as always, jd -- James David j3david@student.business.uwo.ca j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Western Business School -- London, Ontario ";-1;0 "From: Brian.Vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu (Brian Vaughan) Subject: FOR SALE 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 (Michigan) Article-I.D.: um.Brian.Vaughan.1.734105018 Distribution: world Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: dss1.uis.itd.umich.edu For sale 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 with 6682 miles. Excellent condition. Kept in a garage. Asking $2200. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - He who Joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. -- Albert Einstein -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brian Vaughan brian_vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu ";-1;0 "From: rickc@krill.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) Subject: Vegas odds? Nntp-Posting-Host: krill.corp.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 6 Does anyone have a list of Vegas odds for teams making the World Series? I'd appreciate a mailing. Thanks, rickc@corp.sgi.com ";-1;0 "From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu Organization: UNLV In article <1993Apr16.155637.15398@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) writes: >From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) >Subject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:56:37 GMT > >As the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of >late. It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every >day. The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I Have you tried setting FILES in your config.sys file to a fairly high number? (I've got mine set to 100; I've seen numbers from 40 to 100 recommended). Also check your STACKS statement, STACKS=9,256 is a good starting point. Try increasing it if it's already set there (such as to STACKS=12,256, etc.). Both STACKS and FILES have been identified as _one_ cause of frequent Win3.1 crashes. Lamont Downs downs@nevada.edu ";-1;0 "From: karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) Subject: The battle is joined Nntp-Posting-Host: servo.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc Lines: 290 It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the Administration even sooner than we feared. It's time to make sure they hear the other side of the story, and hear it loudly! Phil ------- Forwarded Message Subject: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. --------------------------------------------------- THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY The President today announced a new initiative that will bring the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary program to improve the security and privacy of telephone communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. The initiative will involve the creation of new products to accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the ""Clipper Chip"" has been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a new approach to encryption technology. It can be used in new, relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in commercial use today. This new technology will help companies protect proprietary information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the ""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding Americans. Each device containing the chip will have two unique 2 ""keys,"" numbers that will be needed by authorized government agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a wiretap. The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the government will be offered access to the confidential details of the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report their findings. The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), the President has directed government agencies to develop a comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone calls and data, under proper court or other legal order, when necessary to protect our citizens; -- the effective and timely use of the most modern technology to build the National Information Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and the competitiveness of American industry in the global marketplace; and -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export high technology products. The President has directed early and frequent consultations with affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. 3 The Administration is committed to working with the private sector to spur the development of a National Information Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks (""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone system transmits voice. Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding its use. The Administration is committed to policies that protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting them from those who break the law. Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new encryption technology are also available. For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. - - --------------------------------- QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government agencies to listen in on phone conversations? A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no new authorities to access the content of the private conversations of Americans. Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to decipher the message? A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They would then present documentation of this authorization to the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key escrow system. Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the Administration have yet to determine which agencies will oversee the key-escrow data banks. Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure how strong the security is? A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption systems readily available today. While the algorithm will remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all potential users that there are no unrecognized vulnerabilities. Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet officials. Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the decisions related to this initiative. Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? A: The government designed and developed the key access encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip manufacturer that produces them. Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, California, and will sell the chip to encryption device manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed to other vendors in the future. Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating the ""Clipper Chip"" into their devices. Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more powerful encryption devices? A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive than others readily available today, but it is just one piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to encryption technology, which the Administration is developing. The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from that of the Bush Administration? A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption technology in telecommunications and computing and are committed to working with industry and public-interest groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime and terrorism. Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use the government hardware? A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The same is true for other encryption devices. One of the attractions of this technology is the protection it can give to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability of these products. ";-1;0 "From: ong_mang@iastate.edu (sleeping_dragon) Subject: Wanted: Opinions on MAG 17S and NANAO 560i monitor Summary: Wanted: Opinions on MAG 17S and NANAO 560i monitor Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Distribution: usa Lines: 15 Hi, I'm looking to buy a 17"" monitor soon, and it seems that I can't decide what monitor I should buy. I have a MAG 17S (this is a .25 dpi version and it using a TRINITON tube) and a NANAO 560i in mind. Does anyone know of any specification or problems these monitor have? Actually, any related opinions at buying a 17"" monitor will be welcomed. Thanks in advance, ong_mang@iastate.edu ";5;1 "From: jon@atlas.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) Subject: Re: Change of name ?? Originator: jon@atlas Nntp-Posting-Host: atlas.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va. Lines: 33 In article , Thomas Parsli writes: > 1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or > talk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY > > 2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where).. > > 3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup > > We are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil > goverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to > let's say 1000 people ???? > > > > > This is not a .signature. > It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith > and to bring down the evil Internet. > > > Thomas Parsli > thomasp@ifi.uio.no How about a group called talk.that.thomas.parsli.approves? -- Clinton Administration e-mail addresses | clintonhq@campaign92.org (MCIMail) provided as a public service by | 75300.3115@compuserve.com (CompuServe) Jon Edward Shum (jon@mitre.org) | clintonpz@aol.com (America Online) -- Clinton Administration e-mail addresses | clintonhq@campaign92.org (MCIMail) provided as a public service by | 75300.3115@compuserve.com (CompuServe) Jon Edward Shum (jon@mitre.org) | clintonpz@aol.com (America Online) ";3;1 "From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) Subject: BATF/FBI revenge Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 55 Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Jason Kratz writing: ... JK>If they had rocket launchers and such (as the press and gov claims) why JK>shouldn't they have done something? What possible use would a religious cult JK>have for a rocket launcher? Also, is child abuse covered by the Bill of JK>Rights? ... This is taken a little out of context and I'm not flaming Jason...it's just that this was the proverbial straw.... I grow a little weary of the allegations (here, the media, people on the street) that the BD's had all these ""horrible illegal weapons and other paraphenalia of destruction capable of blowing tanks 50 feet into the air..."" and then, without missing a beat, discuss how the BD's willfully commited mass suicide, or killed their own less fanatical and *then* commited mass suicide, etc., etc. If the BD's had all these things and intended to ""blow up their abode, blow up Waco, blow up the entire country, or whatever suits your fancy, what happened to all the violence they were supposed to unleash? Why wouldn't they have ""gone out in the proverbial blaze of glory"" and ""come out shooting"" with an attitude of ""let's take as many of those dogs as possible with us""? Instead, they seemed to have preferred death to whatever they thought was in store for them at the government's hands. It's totally immaterial whether they were all crazy, all fanatics, all followers of the antichrist, haters of the government, practicers of weird lifestyles, or whatever...they must have felt that they were being pressured into renouncing their beliefs, however how strange or lunatic those beliefs might appear to ""you and me"". There is much precedent for such devotion to cause. My conclusion at this point is that the ""authorities"" seriously misread their danger to society (else why did the BD's not do as suggested above) and/or chose this incident to make some heinous point or satisfy some internal agenda, up to and including AG J. Renbo using this as an opportunity to assert her manhood. Some people really do believe it is better to die than be subjected to what they perceive as the godless government. When I force myself to not judge others by my own personal standards and beliefs, I can almost admire their stand. I surely believe in the Constitution but I don't know that I have such strength of conviction as evidenced by the BD's. --- . OLX 2.2 . Obesa non cantatis! ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: cctr132@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Nick FitzGerald, PC Software Consultant, CSC, UoC, NZ) Subject: Re: 3.5 floppy only reads what IT wrote Nntp-Posting-Host: cantva.canterbury.ac.nz Reply-To: Nick FitzGerald Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Lines: 31 In article <1434@netxcom.netx.com>, pdressne@netxcom.netx.com (Peter Dressner) writes: > I have a Gateway with a 3.5 floppy. The drive only reads files it > wrote to the floppy. Floppies that have been formatted and > contain files from other machines are unreadable. Also, 3.5 floppies > that were written by this defective floppy drive a long time ago are > also unreadable. > > This sounds like a head alignment problem. Too right it does! > ... How does one go about > fixing it? Are there alignment screws that you can adjust? The --VERY VERY FIRST-- thing you do is make sure that --ALL-- files on the floppies that you can currently read in the drive, which aren't already on your HD or another floppy (if you have -two- floppy drives) get copied to your HD (and/or to a floppy in your other drive). If you don't do this before fixing the alignment problem you have kissd those files goodbye. (Well, you can -try- to re-misalign the drive back to read your floppies, but don't count on be able to do so!) Generally, head alignment is something I'd only trust to a good repair shop (though there are/have been DIY guides). +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Nick FitzGerald, PC Applications Consultant, CSC, Uni of Canterbury, N.Z. n.fitzgerald@csc.canterbury.ac.nz TEL:+64(3)364 2337, FAX:+64(3)364 2332 ";-1;0 "From: slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 24 The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, do they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid? BTW, anybody planning on shaving Hillary's head to look for *666*? 8^) Later Dave, Days ^^^^^^^^ Goverment logic or just the Clintons? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ | David H. Slack | |_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ | Boise Surface Mount Center | |_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ | email: slack@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com | | _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ | telnet: 323 4019 | |_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _ _/_/ _/ _/ | phone: (208) 323 4019 | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Hewlett-Packard, 11213 Chinden Blvd., Boise Idaho 83714-1023, M/S #625 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";3;1 "From: randolin@polisci.umn.edu (Robert Andolina) Subject: minnesota scene Nntp-Posting-Host: psci7.polisci.umn.edu Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota Lines: 39 To those who are wondering what is happening in Minnesota: From what I have seen in the local news (TV and newspaper), various people in the area are trying to get a new hockey team. A columnist for the St. Paul ""Pioneer Press"" wrote an article giving the ""inside scoop"" on the issue. There are three local sites competing for a team and three possible candiates to move to the Twin Cities. First the sites: Target Center, Civic Center (St. Paul), and yes, even the Met Center. The columnist was pretty confident that Minnesota will get a team, and that the Target Center will ultimately win out. He argued, however, that the competition from the other two sites will delay the process considerably. Without the inter-site competition, the columnist (sorry, I can't remember his name) believes that Minnesota would have a team by the 1994-95 season. Also, because of the situation with the Timberwolves, things will be delayed until (unless) the city of Minneapolis takes over the Target Center. However, they are unlikely to do so until the Met Center is destroyed, because the city will lose money if there is competition from the Met for conventions and short-term events (even with hockey at Target). To add to this mess, a STUDY (6 to 12 months) is going to be conducted on the future viability of the Met Center, which obviously delays the process even further. I hope that the study is cancelled, which will have the effect of knocking the Met Center out of the running and perhaps encouraging Minneapolis to take over the Target Center sooner. The city would be be even more encourged if the wrecking ball is taken to the Met, which may happen. Regarding possible candidates, the three teams are Hartford, Tampa Bay, and New Jersey. I would prefer the Devils (Minnesota "" Ice Demons?"") although the Lightning may have potential. Although it hasn't been announced yet, it looks like 6 neutral site games will be played at the Target Center next year. Apparently the Devils are interested in playing in as many of those six games as possible, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Hartford and Tampa show up there either. So, Minnesota may end up getting another team, but it may take a few years. Go Sabres! Robert Andolina (former Buffalonian living in Minneapolis) randolin@polisci.umn.edu ";-1;0 "From: kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: sgi1.wag.caltech.edu In article <37147@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes: >+ >Pageos and two Echo balloons were inflated with a substance >which expanded in vacuum. Called ""gas"". >Once inflated the substance was no longer >needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse. >This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no >disastrous deflation. The balloons were in sufficiently low orbit that they experienced some air resistance. When they were finally punctured, this preasure (and the internal preasure that was needed to maintain a spherical shape against this resistance) caused them to catastrophically deflated. The large silvered shards that remained were easily visible for some time before reentry, though no longer useful as a passive transponder. The billboard should pop like a dime store balloon. ";-1;0 "From: Mamatha Devineni Ratnam Subject: Zane!!Rescue us from Simmons!! Organization: Post Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 77 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu So far Simmons looks like a total idiot. 1) Zane Smith should learn how to ""switchpitch"" and return from the DL. I would rather have Zane Smith pitch right handed than have Moeller pitch at all. 2) I am sure Simmons was ready to say I told you so after Otto had an impressive win last week. NOw Otto's latest debacle has restored Simmon's reputation. Now he looks like he is back in his '92 form when he had the AL's highest ERA among starters. Four our sake(not Ted's sake), I hope he pitches with a 3.5 ERA for the rest of the season. Yeah, right. 3) Tomlin and Merced are a bit disappointing. They are still doing decently. BUt considering the considerable amount of talent and maturity they have shown their first seasons, they seem to have actually gotten a little bit worse. Tomlin was almost unhittable his rookie year against lefty batters. Merced had a very good OBA his rookie year. He showed a lot of concentration at the plate in his rookie year. 4) Walk: Well, he seems to be on the losing end tonight. BUt I still think that Walk desrved his contract. 5) Leyland should accept a part of the blame for the LaValliere situation. I can't understand his and management's fear of losing Tom Prince through waivers. Even if they do, what's the use. He is aright hander like Slaught. Not a very smart platoon. Also, I am blaming Leyland in this case, since he is hcurrently convinced that LaVAlliere is through, while giving him way too much time last year in the regular season AND the playoffs(SLaught should have played in all 7 games; he has a good average against right handed pitching). Didn't Leyland and Simmons forsee this last year, and attempt to trade LaValliere last year itself? Any fool could tell them LaVAlliere wasn't very fit last year. 6) Dennis MOeller is SCARY!!! 7) Candeleria: Well, he is not going to have such a high ERA at the end of the season. Maybe it will be in 3-4 range. BUt $1 million plus? Come on. Other than the customary home run giving stage Patterson goes through for a few weeks, Patterson has served the PIrates very well each year. So far, he seems to have pitched well for the Rangers. I think the PIrates should have spent the money on Patterson in stead. 8) The Rookie batters: Well, Young has surprised me a bit with his instant impact. Other than that, their excellent performance hasn't been too much of a surprise. I think we should thank Doughty for that. 9) Rookie Pitchers: Worse than expected, especially Cooke. 10) Slaught: How come he wasn't given a contract extension last year? NOw his value has increased immensely. 11) Lonnie Smith!! Well, Eric Davis was signed for a comparable amount. Let's see. Eric can hit better. He can run better. He can field better. Now why didnt the PIrates go after Eric Davis. An injured Davis is better than a healthy Lonnie Smith. Even if Lonnnie Smith gets some big hits this year,he won't be an asset. He has looked terrible on the bases and in the field. 12) Management: BIG BIG ZERO. Sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement in favor of revenue sharing. He seems more concerned about pleasing that idiot Danforth by preparing the team for a move to Tampa Bay. 13) Alex Cole fiasco. The PIrates infield and CF positions look good. The RF and LF would have looked good if we could have gotten Cole to replace two of the four outfielders. Eric Davis, Van Slyke and Cole would have made a very respectable outfield. Even without Eric Davis, thye PIrates would have a respectable outfield with Cole, SVan Slyke, and Merced(I think he should hit left handed against lefts in stead of switch hitting). Simmons did have options for the outfield. Ironically, the biggest accomplishment of Simmon's tenure was getting Alex Cole really cheap. Too bad. 14) Compensatory draft picks for Bonds: Forget it. The pirates can rant and rave. they will not get those picks. As of now, the issue is still being appealed. Now, if this doesnt convince anyone that Simmons and Sauer are idiots, nothing else will. On a final note. Tim Wakefield won't be as awful as he was in his last 2 starts. BUt don't count on him pitching like last year for the rest of the season. Also, if the Pirates are in contention towards rthe end of the season, they will miss Redus's clutch hitting and his speed(he has peaked in the second half of the last 2 seasons)> -Pravin Ratnam ";-1;0 "From: hulthage@morue.usc.edu (Ingemar Hulthage) Subject: Dead mouse ? Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 11 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: morue.usc.edu My MacClassic mouse died. I dissected it and determined that it is the microswitch, that senses the click, that is stuck in the depressed mode. This tragedy prompts the following questions: 1. Is it easy to find a microswitch that I could solder into the place of the old switch ? 2. I have old mice (Max+, Mac 512Ke), can they be used with some adapter ? ";-1;0 "From: hl00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOU-SHENG LIN) Subject: Laser vs Bubblejet? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 12 Well, I'm not too sure if this would be the right place to post this, but anyway, here goes: I was just noticing that some of the current bubblejet printers offers up to 360x360 resolution while a lot of lower end laser printers only offer 300x300. However, the laser printers still seems to be significantly pricier than the bubblejets... how is this? Or am I missing something about the resolution thing? -- -Sheng hl00@pl122.eecs.lehigh.edu hl00@m180k.cc.lehigh.edu hl00@lehigh.edu ";11;1 "From: ziegenfE@moravian.edu (Eric W. Ziegenfus) Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Running AIX info from a Sun rlogin shell. Lines: 36 Nntp-Posting-Host: batman In <1r74bcINN6ei@ome.sps.mot.com> wcl@risc.sps.mot.com (Wayne Long) writes: > When I run our RS6000's ""info"" utility through a remote login > shell (rlogin) from my Sun Sparc 1+, I can no longer type > lower case in any of info's window prompt's. > I thought the prob. may have been due to my Sun window mgr. > (Openlook) being incompatible with the AIX Motif application > but I tried it under TVTWM also. Same result. > > So this is presumably an X11 key definition problem between > workstations - but my system admins. feign ignorance. > > What do I need to do the be able to type lower case into > this remote AIX motif app. from within my local Openlook > window manager? > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Wayne Long - OE215 Internet: wcl@risc.sps.mot.com >6501 William Cannon Drive West UUCP: cs.texas.edu!oakhill!risc!wcl >Austin, Texas 78735-8598 Phone (512) 891-4649 FAX: 891-3818 I have had the exact same problem, but have not figured out a solution. I run a PC with Linux (free-unix) with X11r5 and OpenWindows 3.0, I would appreciate any solutions. ewz -- /---------------------------------------------\ | INTERNET: ziegenfE@moravian.edu | | UUCP: ...!rutgers!lafcol!batman!ziegenfE | \_____________________________________________/ ";-1;0 "From: nagel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Kurt Nagel) Subject: Re: AMI Pro 3.0 and equation mode Nntp-Posting-Host: fido.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 37 nagel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Kurt Nagel) writes: >Hi, > I'm having a problem with AMIPro when writing equations. If the >equation extends past a certain point on a line, the whole thing disappears. >If I then try to delete the equation or cursor beyond the equation, AMI >goes nuts. The line counter at the bottom of the screen increments >repeatedly and the only way out is to CTRL-ATL-DEL. If I have been >unfortunate enough to save a document with one of these screwed up >equations, the document is basically trashed. (although I have been >able to fix them by going into an ascii editor and deleteing large >chunks of the document) > Has anyone else experienced this? Does Lotus know about it >and or have a patch???????. >Thanks in advance, >Kurt >nagel@fido.colorado.edu I contacted Lotus about this problem today. It has been reported previously and there is a fix. Apparantly the problem only occurs when TAB characters are used immediately preceding the equation frame. The work around when equations are expected to touch the right margin is to delete at least one preceding TAB and use SPACE to align the frame (or use set frame where placed w/no text wrap around). Unforutnately, once the page run-on has occured you are hosed. So the moral of the story is use only SPACE characters to align equation frames. Hope this helps the rest of you who have already contacted me with this problem. Kurt nagel@fido.colorado.edu ";-1;0 "From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) Subject: Re: Carrying crutches (was Re: Living Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1pqhkl$g48@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes... > When I got my knee rebuilt I got back on the street bike ASAP. I put >the crutches on the rack and the passenger seat and they hung out back a >LONG way. Just make sure they're tied down tight in front and no problemo. ^^^^ Hmm, sounds like a useful trick -- it'd keep the local cagers at least a crutch-length off my tail-light, which is more than they give me now. But do I have to break a leg to use it? (When I broke my ankle dirt-biking, I ended up strapping the crutches to the back of the bike & riding to the lab. It was my right ankle, but the bike was a GT380 and started easily by hand.) Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. ivan@cvax.psi.ch GSX600F, RG250WD. ""Beware drainage ditches on firetrails"" DoD #484 ";-1;0 "From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr14.152634.16128@pony.Ingres.COM>, jab@Ingres.COM (jeff bowles) writes: > tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) writes: >>questions like ""what kind of sexual perversions do you participate in?"" >>and you think he made a good case????? The arresting officer said the >>bastards told him they did it on purpose and hoped the victim would die, >>and you think the defense made a good case????? No wonder we're losing! >>We're aparently not trying to win! > > The clip I saw was even worse than that. The defense attorney was asking > something like ""what have you done to serve YOUR country, as compared to > these fine upstanding examples of patriotism?"" > > I didn't see the response; I don't think it was shown on TV. I wish the > response had been ""I vote. I pay taxes. I pay my salary. I support the Bill > of Rights, unlike you, Counselor."" > > In my dreams :-( > > Now, the real question is, could this be a federal civil rights case, since > the state case was a sham? (Sound like a well-known Los Angeles trial?) Probably > not: fags and dykes aren't protected (for being fags and dykes) under civil > rights laws. > > I would doubt any civil rights case would be in order for the point that you mentioned. Even if it were possible, I think it is a bad idea since it smacks real strongly of double jeopardy. A civil case for damages is fine since that is a trial that would proceed regardless of the first. I think a bad precedent has already been set in the King trial in L.A. and something like this would make it worse. Regardless of how bad anybody feels about this decision, it must stand that charges of assault were not not proven against the three marines and that's how it should stand. Frank (who is still mad, but now somewhat sane) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frank R. Chloupek CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University (Not just any Ohio State University) ""There is only one hard-and-fast rule about the place to have a party: somebody else's place."" --P.J. O'Rourke ";-1;0 "From: levy@levy.fnal.gov (Mark E. Levy, ext. 8056) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Nntp-Posting-Host: levy.fnal.gov Organization: Fermilab Computing Division Lines: 22 In article <1qngqlINNnp8@shelley.u.washington.edu>, whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) writes: > In article johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) writes: >>-s87271077-s.walker-man-50- (swalker@uts.EDU.AU) wrote: > >>During the nuclear fission reaction the uranium fuel can get hot enough >>to melt. When this happens the liquid uranium is pumped to the cooling >>tower where it is sprayed into the air. ... >>Contact with the cool outside air >>will condense the mist and it will fall back to the cooling tower floor. >>There it is collected by a cleaning crew using shop vacs and is then >>reformed into pellets for reactor use the next day. Another April 1 posting. Ahhh. ================================================================================ [ Mark E. Levy, Fermilab | ] [ BitNet: LEVY@FNAL | Unix is to computing ] [ Internet: LEVY@FNALD.FNAL.GOV | as an Etch-a-Sketch is to art. ] [ HEPnet/SPAN: FNALD::LEVY (VMS!) | ] ================================================================================ ";-1;0 "From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) Subject: URGENT **** TED FRANK WANTED FOR KILLING AJ TEEL... Article-I.D.: im4u.1pspp7INN3ea Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 307 NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu ...His account that is. Many important issues, and some not-so important ones, are discussed here on the net on a daily basis. I have just been informed of what I feel is one of the most important things that we could ever discuss -- The out-and-out censorship of one of our fellow posters because some people don't like what he says or thinks. We have all seen the postings here by AJ Teel. Although many of us have not agreed with their content, I'm sure most of us have been at least somewhat interested in them. I, for one, am greatful to live (I thought) in a country where people like Mr. Teel are allowed to say what they please. If I don't wan't to read it, I can just skip on by, or unsuscribe. But, unfortunately, some people cannot let others live and let live. They feel an overwhelming need to snuff out the little bastards. Now it seems that Mr. Teel will be with us no more, due mainly to our brother, and cheif net police, Ted Frank. PLEASE HELP AJ TEEL REGAIN NET (POST) ACCESS AND CORRECT THIS INJUSTICE. ARE YOU ON TED'S HIT LIST? ARE YOUR THOUGHTS CORRECT? IS YOUR ACCOUNT SAFE? HAS YOUR SYSADMIN BEEN CONTACTED BY THE THOUGHT POLICE? I thought the NLG and the ACLU supported people with diverse opinions. NOT! Please read the following forwarded messages from AJ Teel so that you may understand this vial act for what it is... ------------------------------ forwarded --------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal Subject: Officer Ted Frank, Thought Police Badge Number NWO-666 Summary: Ted wins the argument by killing his opponent! Expires: Distribution: Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Keywords: NWO Ted Frank Well, well, well... Thanks to eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) and thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank), my account is to be axed. I guess that the information I am presenting is just toooo difficult for them to deal with. They (ONLY Ted and Mark) have complained to my sysadmin some unknown number of times to get me off the net. (In his defense, Mark sent only one message and it was not THAT bad; it has been posted in one of the newsgroups; However, it *was* not directed at me as would be common practice and I am VERY good at responding via netmail...) While I disagree with Ted, I would not send mail to his sysadmin to get him axed. Name-calling was not enough; jumping on every post I made was not enough; ignoring specific points when they were not what the desired picture was not enough; SIMPLY IGNORING ME IF I AM SUCH A KOOK WAS NOT ENOUGH. Even now I do not wish to have him axed, but I do wish to express my disgust about this. ""Argumentum ad silence-your-opponent-um""?! I would have thought he would have wanted me to stay around just to have someone to yell about and seem sooo wise... (to himself, I think). The issue that seems to be: ""Is the following an advertisement?"" Apparently, Ted and Mark think so... 1) I Posted an article from around one year ago as it was taken *off the net* from last year. If reposting an article constitutes posting an ad, then I am guilty. This post did have a name and address and, yes, a price. If one had posted the address and subscription price of ""Newsweek"", would that be an ad? I get nothing from showing this stuff. 2) I Posted a list of documents showing examples of the kind of ""proof"" that was REQUESTED BY TED FRANK. He then complains to my sysadmin saying that I am advertising and, lo and behold, ""poof"", there goes my account. This one had an address in it! Oh, no! I Guess that means it is an ad! If you value the alternative view I have been discussing, or VALUE ITS DISCUSSION even if you do not agree with it, I ask that you send a note saying as much to me to show to the sysadmin. They rarely get ""Ya know, that user on your net was real helpful..."" or whatever; they only get ""I don't like what that user is doing because..."". Please do not send the note to the sysadmin. I need to take it to them in a manner that has at least a chance of getting through. In my files here are hundreds of responses from people saying ""Thanks for the info"" or ""Could you send me such and such?"" or ""Your posts are very interesting... keep it up."" and only a handfull of ""Go aways"". But, I guess the fact that I have decided not to waste my time trying to convince Ted is a Net Offense[TM] of such magnitude as to warrant a message complaining about me. (Knock, knock...""My name is Ted and and this is Mark... We're from the thought police. Seems you have some pretty dangerous ideas here, and we're here to confiscate them..."") NWO Indeed! Guess I will have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a new plan... Thanks Ted and Mike. Hope you are happy. I will be on for a few more days and then... that's all folks! Your comments and support are requested. I can no longer post to news. I ask what this has accomplished... Is there some benefit from making alternative views simply vanish? Not in my book. Seems the easiest way to win an argument is to make the opposing side shut up. Images of Waco.... ah, but alas... And all this when I am in the process of typing in a letter to me from the Tax Collector saying that a lien was removed due to a letter that I wrote challenging jurisdiction. Oh, well... It takes time to come up with the info requested, and I was just getting started. It should be noted that Ted Frank has been accused publicly over 40 times of being an NWO supporter and has never made an statements to the contrary. Further, what ARE Ted Frank's motivations for getting me axed? We all know that SOME PEOPLE are getting paid to collect info on people on the net that are of ""interest"" to the government, and Ted sure seems to have a *personal* interest in debunking me. Hmmm... just who does he work for? The University of Chicago which he ""attends""(?) is well known as one of the biggest NWO supporters... And finally, if anyone would be able to help me find a new account here in the Boulder/Denver area, I would greatly appreciate it. I am in the process of installing Linux and so will be able to do UUCP or maybe a TC/IP connection. Any help here would be greatly appreciated. Since I am longer be able to post news and will no longer have email VERY soon, I hope that anyone who wishes to contact me will do so via: A. J. Teel, Sui Juris c/o USPS Box 19043 Boulder, Colorado, U.S.A. Postal Zone: 80308-9043 or leave me voice mail at: c/o (408) 281-0434 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Selected messages from Ted Frank via sysadmin follows: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With Explicit Reservation Of All Rights (U.C.C. 1-207) Regards, -A. J. Teel-, Sui Juris (ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU) --------------------------- >From barb@locutus.cs.colorado.edu Mon Apr 5 14:39:21 1993 Received: from locutus.cs.colorado.edu by dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU with SMTP id AA14777 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 14:39:19 -0600 Received: by locutus.cs.colorado.edu with SMTP id AA15908 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 14:36:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199304052036.AA15908@locutus.cs.colorado.edu> To: ""Ted Frank"" Subject: Re: List of documents Cc: cstmr@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, csops@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, ajteel@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, vaxops@locutus.cs.colorado.edu Reply-To: trouble@cs.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 05 Apr 93 13:29:06 CDT Date: Mon, 05 Apr 93 14:36:51 -0600 From: barb@locutus.cs.colorado.edu Status: OR -------- Please ask ******* to stop advertising his wares on the network. Thank you. [Editor's Note: ^^^???] In article <1993Apr5.154256.5169@colorado.edu> ajteel writes: >[START OF DOCUMENT: doclist.txt.lis ] >DOCUMENTS NOW AVAILABLE > >BILL MEDINA, Sui Juris >Post Office Box 70400 >Sunnyvale, California, U.S.A. >Postal Zone: 94086-0400 (79 lines deleted). --------------- Resolution: --------------- Thank you. He has been warned before. We are taking action. Barbara J. Dyker Department of Computer Science Manager, Computer Operations Campus Box 430B, ECEE00-69 barb@cs.colorado.edu University of Colorado (303) 492-2545 Boulder, CO 80309-0430 -------------------- >From barb@locutus .cs.colorado.edu Mon Apr 5 15:50:36 1993 Received: from locutus.cs.colorado.edu by dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU with SMTP id AA15809 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 15:50:34 -0600 Received: by locutus.cs.colorado.edu id AA16069 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ajteel); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 15:50:27 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 15:50:27 -0600 From: Barbara Dyker Message-Id: <199304052150.AA16069@locutus.cs.colorado.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: ajteel@locutus.cs.colorado.edu Subject: your account Cc: vaxops@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, usenet@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, mozer@locutus.cs.colorado.edu Status: OR [...] I had already warned you that your inappropriate use of your account here must stop. You have used your account here as a soapbox for your political ""sui juris"" agenda. [...] > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 13:26:43 -0700 > From: barb@locutus.cs.colorado.edu > To: ajteel@locutus.cs.colorado.edu > > Also, if you are reported for any more commercial > announcements, your account may be disabled. [Editor's note: What commercial advertisemnets are we talking about?] > From: barb@bruno.cs.colorado.edu > To: ""A.J. Teel"" > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 17:26:40 MST > [...] > As long as > they aren't causing any problems, we typically don't > mind. ...We have received two complaints about the > content of your messages so far (at least one of which I > consider valid) - which already constitutes excessive > in my book. Just don't let it happen again. [Editor's note: I *wonder* who the other post was from??!] >From laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu Thu Mar 18 01:40:15 1993 To: ""Ted Frank"" Subject: Re: Bouncing Cc: cstmr@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu, csops@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu Reply-To: trouble@cs.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 17 Mar 93 21:05:59 CST Date: Thu, 18 Mar 93 08:40:15 MST From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu -------- In article <1993Mar18.012344.6213@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU >Bounced names: > garry@research.att.com > bill@kean.usc.mun.ca > jad@hopper.Virginia.EDU > kima@gator.rational.com > >Hello All: > I am having trouble reaching the following (keeps bouncing). > If you sent me mail and haven't gotten a response, check here. > Also, can anyone tell me why these are bouncing? I used > the reply in elm which should send it right back, right? >With Explicit Reservation Of All Rights (U.C.C. 1-207) >Regards, -A. J. Teel-, Sui Juris (ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU) > [...] [Editor's Note: The reason for posting the header lines from the bounced messages was to show what the problem was and hopefully correct it.] [Ted Frank] It's inexcusable to post 150 lines of bounced mail headers to four newsgroups. A simple four-line post would have been sufficient. --------------- Resolution: --------------- [Lazlo] yes i agree. BUT our policy is to not watch everypost someone here makes. we generally let the net itself take care of inappropriate postings by flaming the user into shape (which i assume this is ment to be). we (CS operations) don't like to get involved in this stuff (unless its illegal, repetitive posts of 1gig gifs, harassment, or something else that offends the community in general). my suggestion is that you take it to email and explain what a post for bounces should look like or tell him to RTFM laz [Editor's note: Obviously, Ted had no such intention of doing so...] ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."" standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal [Editor's Note: From this .sig, it seems obvious that Ted Frank has an axe to grind... Why that particular quote?.... Hmmm... Sure makes me wonder.] -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lance W. Bledsoe lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu (512) 258-0112 | | ""Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free."" | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase) Subject: Re: Upgrading PB170 Memory Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Distribution: usa Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr17.185806.7216@ncar.ucar.edu>, bill@lhotse.hao.ucar.edu (Bill Roberts) wrote: > > I have one of the original Powerbook 170's (with 4Mb of Ram) and find > that 4Mb is a drag when trying to do my work. So, what is the best way > to get the maximum RAM for this unit, and what's it going to cost me? > I'm hoping I can get the latest and best info from real users by posting > to this group. Well Bill, There are 2MB soldered on the logic board and 2MB in the RAM expansion slot giving you 4MB. The only thing you can do to upgrade to the maximum Ram is to remove the 2MB expansion and install a 6MB expansion, giving you a total of 8MB which is the max on a 170....You can try calling TechWorks, or any other memory vendors out of MacWeek, MacWorld...etc.... <==================================+==================================> Peter Haase + Internet: haase@meediv.lanl.gov Network Manager + Los Alamos National Laboratory ";0;1 "From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: Too fast Article-I.D.: armory.1qkon8$3re Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: >>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed > Oh, right. Only 120,000 dollar cars should be driven fast. >They drive goddamn Rabbits at 120 MPH in Europe, pal, and I reckon >a Taurus is at least as capable as a Rabbit. My whole point was not to say that the cars *couldn't* go that fast, but that they *shouldn't* go that fast. A family sedan designed to be operable at 85mph doesn't suddenly become operable at 130mph because you added some plastic aero effects, slightly wider tires, and a much larger engine. That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family sedan with a powerful engine. They didn't even bother improving the *brakes.* The Mustang is essentially the same deal as the SHO -- a big power plant stuck in a mid-size sedan, with almost no other modifications. I have real-life experience with the Mustang -- it handles like a brick (except when you're invoking oversteer, of course, something I personally avoid doing on the highway) and stopping power is inadequate even from 80mph. Lots of accelleration -- but the rest of the car is not up to par. I picked the Porsche example because they are designed with speed in mind. It didn't have to be the 911 -- it could have been the much cheaper 944 or one of several Mercedes or Audi models. All of these cars are fairly expensive -- but so are the parts that make them drivable at high speed. This should be elementary. There are a few things to keep in mind about Europe, since you brought it up. My Autobahn knowledge is admittedly second-hand, but I believe the following to be true: 1. Drivers are much better disciplined in Europe than they are here. 2. The roads comprising the Autobahn are much better designed than they are here, and usually include animal fences. This makes them far more predictable than most US highways. 3. Not all of Europe is the Autobahn. Most places in Europe have speed limits that aren't out-of-line with what we used to have in the US -- if my friends weren't lying to me they're typically not much higher than 120km/h. I strongly suspect you won't find a lot of Rabbit owners doing 120mph (nearly 200km/h) on the Autobahn, but I could be wrong. Some people have no respect for their own lives. >>You certainly haven't convinced me. > Of course not. ""Speeding-is-bad. Speeding-is-illegal. >I-will-not-speed. I-love-Big-Brother."" You had your mind made up >already. If you think so you sure don't pay attention to my postings. jim frost jimf@centerline.com ";-1;0 "From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) Subject: Re: BB Confessions. Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Electronics Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr18.022218.17318@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes: > >But the irony is that the Jewish population has no problem in electing >a leader who has CONFESSED to having an extra marrital affair. > >This is a first. > >AA. The American people didn't have any problem with it too (Clinton). Actually I think that it does not make any difference as long as they have the qualifications to become leaders. BTW in my political view I hope (and should be the Arab hope too) that Binyamin Netanyahu will not be ellected as prime minister of Israel. Naftaly ---- Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 ""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace From: Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters) Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,world Organization: University of Wyoming Nntp-Posting-Host: sheriff.uwyo.edu Lines: 18 >Hey, sounds great. Does that mean that W4WG works with ODI? I thought it >uses NDIS. WFWG does use NDIS but it cooperates well with the NDIS shim for ODI. (I've heard that it is as fast as NDIS direct) > >My problem is that Lan Workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my >UMBs, so I'd hate to have to load many more drivers to make W4WG work >along. The additional TSR load is minimal. I think I eat another 20K total. This is worth it to me since it allows me to get to my Windows NT box. Novell hasn't released a decent NT Novell client yet so I share through my WFWG box. This solution is very usable. ";-1;0 "From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS Lines: 29 Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes: >> ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have >> concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating >> from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption >> of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices. >> Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault, an >> example would be a Sony 3.5 inch MO, without the special ""Mac-compatible"" >> firmware installed. One solution, sometimes, is to disable ""blind writes"" >This doesn't sound right to me. Don't Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the >Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That's all handled by the >chip. About the only the timing could be wrong is if Apple programs the >clock registers wrong on the 96. That, however, should only really hurt >synchronous transfer, which is not used by the Mac SCSI Manager. >Furthermore, disabling blind writes should be meaningless on a Quadra. >On Macs that used the 5380, which is a much lower level SCSI chip, the >Mac was responsible for the handshake of each byte transferred. Blind >mode affected how the Mac handled that handshake. On the 5396, the >handshake is entirely handled by the chip. The docs say that it's a SCSI Manager bug, if this changes things at all... -- Jim Jagielski | ""And he's gonna stiff me. So I say, jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | 'Hey! Lama! How about something, NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4 | you know, for the effort!'"" Greenbelt, MD 20771 | ";-1;0 "From: george@cs.umass.edu (KOSHY GEORGE) Subject: WANTED/Summer Housing/Seattle(Univ of Washington) Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 25 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: giane.cs.umass.edu Summer Housing needed-at University of Washington, Seattle. ---------------------------------------------------------- Hi I am looking for a place to stay for the summer at the University of Washington, Seattle, where I would be doing an internship. If any of you from UofW Seattle, has got some kind of space for summer sublet, please send an email/call to me. I expect to start my internship in the first week of June. -Koshy George george@cs.umass.edu Koshy George, 54, Puffton Village, Amherst, MA, 01002. 413-549-7373 H 413-545-2014 O ------------------- ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Looking for Tseng VESA drivers From: t890449@patan.fi.upm.es () Organization: /usr/local/lib/organization Nntp-Posting-Host: patan.fi.upm.es Lines: 10 Hi, this is my first msg to the Net (actually the 3rd copy of it, dam*ed VI!!). Look for the new VPIC6.0, it comes with updated VESA 1.2 drivers for almost every known card. The VESA level is 1.2, and my Tseng4000 24-bit has a nice affair with the driver. Hope it is useful!! Bye ";-1;0 "From: chang hsu liu Subject: Upgrade from 286 to 486 help needed!!! Organization: Indiana University Lines: 27 Greetings, Please forgive me if this is FAQ. If there is source on this kind of info, please let me know. I just got a 286 station (around 21*16.5*7 in dimension), and I am thinking about upgrade it to a 486 or 386. The station has a power supply, two floppy disk drives, and the big case. I have SONY 1304 monitor, SyQuest drive (Mac), and maybe a cd-rom reader (Mac) for it. Here are the questions I have so far: 1) Is there a 486 motherboard at this dimension that I could use the case? 2) The original owener has the controller for floppy drive and hard disk removed. Can I use them to control these devices under 486? How much do I have to pay for a new controllers if the old ones won't work? 3) How can I make SyQuest (SCSI) and cd-rom (SCSI) work on this station? I heard that there is a cheap sound board that has SCSI controller built-in? What's quality of this board? How much usually does a SCSI control cost? Is there any ftp sites that has SyQuest driver or cd-rom driver for the PC if I can have everything hooked up OK?4) What I want is a 486 motherboard, a sound board to make it a MPC- quality station. How much would it cost to do that? Is it worth the hussle than just buy a new 486 station? BTW, I need to buy a keyboard for it too. Any input is welcome. Thank you. Peter Liu ";-1;0 "From: pom@anke.imsd.uni-mainz.DE (Prof. Dr. Klaus Pommerening) Subject: DES: init vector as additional key? Keywords: DES, CBC, CFB, key search Nntp-Posting-Host: anke.imsd.uni-mainz.de Organization: Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Lines: 15 The recent discussion in this news group suggests that a key search attack against DES is quite feasible now. But normally DES is applied in CBC or CFB mode where one chooses a random init vector of 8 bytes. Questions: - Makes it sense to handle the init vector as an additional key? Then we have a 56 + 64 = 120 bit key. - If yes: Is anything known about the security of this key scheme? Can we break it faster than by exhaustive search through the 120 bit key space? -- Klaus Pommerening Institut fuer Medizinische Statistik und Dokumentation der Johannes-Gutenberg-Universitaet Obere Zahlbacher Strasse 69, W-6500 Mainz, Germany ";-1;0 "From: sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) Subject: Re: Athiests and Hell Lines: 110 In article REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes: >In article >sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) writes: > >>Note that in this, perhaps the oldest of the creeds, there is no mention >>of the danger of hell for non-believers. Likewise there is no mention >>of the salvation of the believers' soul and its destiny in heaven after >>death. There is only the resurrection of the body (and it does not say >>when or how). > >You don't go far enough back. If we believe in God and that He did create the >heavens and the earth and He did create Adam and Eve and that they walked in >the garden and history flowed from there, if we can agree with that, then would >you agree that the further back you go the closer you get to people who had a >stronger memory of who God was and what He said and commanded? Between Adam and Eve and Golgotha the whole process of the fall of man occurred. This involved a gradual dimming of consciousness of the spiritual world. This is discernable in the world outlooks of different peoples through history. The Greek, for example, could say, ""better a beggar in the land of the living than a king in the land of the dead."" (Iliad, I think). The question of what happens to human beings who died before Christ is an ever present one with Christians. I am not ready to conscign Adam or Abraham, or even Cain to eternal damnation. Yet they all died in their sins, in the Christian sense. The same can be said of the whole of Gentile humanity, and also of the unrepentant malefactor on the cross next to him. I do not limit the power of Christ to save even him, through whom Satan would mock his deed of salvation at the very moment of its fulfillment. >In my studies >of the ancient mystery reliegions, I have run across many poems or rituals or >what nots with the interpretation that those who are of God will be with Him >via the promised seed but those who rebel will suffer *eternal* life in dieing. > It was a standard belief back then. It is possible to experience eternity in a passing moment. The relationship of eternity to duration is not simply one of indefinitely extended conditions of Greenwich mean time. It is possible to imagine an eternity of agony or bliss - or even many of them - in the spiritual world during the time between earthly death and a new birth. It was also a standard belief among many peoples that even the righteous were lost. This again is the result of the loss of the paradisal consciousness that fled from us after the fall, with our ever increasing involvement with the sense world. It would be interesting to share in the results of your studies of ancient people's ideas of life after death. > Today we think we know so much and that >if we could go back in time we could sure teach those people a thing or two. >But I think that as this age has grown older that it is we who opperate from a >mist, not those of the older ages. > Mankind fell into mist and darkness, and at ""the turning point of time"" a new light entered into the world. The light still grows, and we are developing the eyes with which to see by it. Much new revelation and growth in under- standing lies before us. Our new vision and understanding is still very feeble, but it contains something new that will grow in time to embrace that which is old and much more as well. (At this point I should acknowledge openly my debt to the work of Rudolf Steiner, founder of Anthroposophy, for many insights that have led me to my views on this subject). >I have said it before, I'd love to post on this but the vulcan hammer would >fall. The history to purgatory can be shown from the druids in England to the >Greeks who pilaged it from the Egyptians who ultimately got it from the >Babylonian mysteries. And yes, the eastern religions also show many >similarities. I mean, its black and white. THe writings and the archeological >finds plainly show its origin and the whys and wherefores of this doctine. The way you refer to it as ""doctrine"" puts a modern intellectual coloring on it. I think it was much less abstract and much more real and spiritually concrete, a teaching that struck much closer to home than our doctrines or teachings today can be received. I am not so ready to attribute widespread notions in antiquity to simple dispersion from an original source. Even if they were passed on, the question is, to what extent did they reflect real perception and experience? The similarity in the midst of great variety of expression of the different people's ideas of the time immediately after death testifies to the presence of an underlying reality. In any case, we study geometry not by reading old manuscripts of Euclid, but by contemplating the principles themselves. On the other hand, there is one notion firmly embedded in Christianity that originated most definitely in a pagan source. The idea that the human being consists essentially of soul only, and that the soul is created at birth, was consciously adopted from Aristotle, whose ideas dominated Christian thought for fifteen hundred years and still does today. He was at once the father of modern thought and at the same time lived during that darkened time when the perception of our eternal spiritual being had grown dim. >maybe at sometime in the future- Indeed. I should also clarify that I do not deny that eternal irrevocable damnation is a real possibility. But the narrow range in which we conceive of the decisive moment, i.e. after the end of a single earthly life, is not in my mind sufficient to embrace the reality, and I think that is why the early creeds were couched in terms that did not try to spell it out. >Rex Gerry (73237.2006@compuserve.com) ";-1;0 "From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic Nntp-Posting-Host: kraken.itc.gu.edu.au Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia Lines: 33 mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >Nanci Ann Miller writes: >>My favorite reply to the ""you are being too literal-minded"" complaint is >>that if the bible is really inspired by God and if it is really THAT >>important to him, then he would make damn certain all the translators and >>scribes and people interpreting and copying it were getting it right, >>literally. If not, then why should I put ANY merit at all in something >>that has been corrupted over and over and over by man even if it was >>originally inspired by God? >The ""corrupted over and over"" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the >current hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text >has in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This >shouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner >are likely to makes some pains to make good copies. >-- Do you honestly hold to that tripe Charley? For a start there are enough current versions of the Bible to make comparisons to show that what you write above is utter garbage. Witness JW, Mormon, Catholic, Anglican, and Greek Orthodox Bibles. But to really convince you I'd have to take you to a good old library. In our local library we had a 1804 King James which I compared to a brand new, hot of God's tongue Good News Bible. Genesis was almost unrecognisable, many of the discrepencies between the four gospels had been edited from the Good News Bible. In fact the God of Good News was a much more congenial fellow I must say. If you like I'll get the 1804 King James out again and actually give you some quotes. At least the headings haven't changed much. Jeff. ";-1;0 "From: gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: The MacInteresteds of Nashville, Tn. Lines: 8 You forget that Apollo was a Government program and had to start relatively from scratch. Some people at NASA think that this could work. One of them replied to me personally after I posted this original message several days ago. I have heard Jerry Pournelle suggest this idea before. -- gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville ";-1;0 "From: David.Rice@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: islamic authority [sic] over women X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 62 who: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) what: with: rush@leland.Stanford.EDU what: <1993Apr5.050524.9361@leland.Stanford.EDU> >>> Other readers: I just joined, but is this guy for real? >>> I'm simply amazed. KR> ""Sadly yes. Don't loose any sleep over Old 'Zlumber. Just KR> have some fun with him, but he is basically harmless. KR> At least, if you don't work in NY city."" I don't find it hard to believe that ""Ole 'Zlumber"" really believes the hate and ignorant prattle he writes. The frightening thought is, there are people even worse than he! To say that feminism equals ""superiority"" over men is laughable as long as he doesn't then proceed to pick up a rifle and start to shoot women as a preemptive strike--- aka the Canada slaughter that occured a few years ago. But then, men killing women is nothing new. Islamic Fundamentalists just have a ""better"" excuse (Qu'ran). from the Vancouver Sun, Thursday, October 4, 1990 by John Davidson, Canadian Press MONTREAL-- Perhaps it's the letter to the five-year old daughter that shocks the most. ""I hope one day you will be old enough to understand what happened to your parents,"" wrote Patrick Prevost. ""I loved your mother with a passion that went as far as hatred."" Police found the piece of paper near Prevost's body in his apartment in northeast Montreal. They say the 39-year-old mechanic committed suicide after killing his wife, Jocelyne Parent, 31. The couple had been separated for a month and the woman had gone to his apartment to talk about getting some more money for food. A violent quarrel broke out and Prevost attacked his wife with a kitchen knife, cutting her throat, police said. She was only the latest of 13 women slain by a husband or lover in Quebec in the last five weeks. Five children have also been slain as a result of the same domestic ""battles."" Last year in Quebec alone, 29 [women] were slain by their husbands. That was more than one-third of such cases across Canada, according to statistics from the Canadian Centre for Justice. [rest of article ommited] Then to say that women are somehow ""better"" or ""should"" be the one to ""stay home"" and raise a child is also laughable. Women have traditionally done hard labor to support a family, often more than men in many cultures, throughout history. Seems to me it takes at least two adults to raise a child, and that BOTH should stay home to do so! --- Maximus 2.01wb ";-1;0 "From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 17 In article randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) writes: >I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged >couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Not if they are unwilling to go through a public marriage ceremony, nor if they say they are willing but have not actually done so. Let's distinguish _real_ logistical problems (like being stranded on a desert island) from _excuses_ (such as waiting for so-and-so's brother to come back from being in the army so he can be in the ceremony)... -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< ";-1;0 "From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN JONATHAN JAMES) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 24 ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: >Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking) This is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without spilling or having someone hold on to them. >Cellular phones and mobile fax machines (see above) Fax machines, yes. Cellular phones: Why not get a hands-free model? >Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. Seemingly unique to American luxury cars. The Big Three haven't yet realized that the 1970s are over. >Any gold trim. I agree. Just another display of Yuppie excess. >Jon Dunn< ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenian way of slaughtering a twelve-year-old Muslim girl. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 41 Source: ""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers, Inc., New York (1952). (Memoirs of an American officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 360. ""At length all shooting petered out. I got on my horse and rode down toward Djul. It burned still but little flame showed now. The way was steep and tough, through dense scrub. Finally on flatter ground I came out suddenly, through alders, on smoldering houses. Across trampled wheat my brothers-in- arms were leading off animals, several calves and a lamb."" p. 361 (fourth paragraph). ""Corpses came next, the first a pretty child with straight black hair, large eyes. She looked about twelve years old. She lay in some stubble where meal lay scattered from the sack she'd been toting. The bayonet had gone through her back, I judged, for blood around was scant. Between the breasts one clot, too small for a bullet wound, crusted her homespun dress. The next was a boy of ten or less, in rawhide jacket and knee-pants. He lay face down in the path by several huts. One arm reached out to the pewter bowl he'd carried, now upset upon its dough. Steel had jabbed just below his neck, into the spine. There were grownups, too, I saw as I led the sorrel around. Djul was empty of the living till I looked up to see beside me Dro's German-speaking colonel. He said all Tartars who had not escaped were dead."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";15;1 "From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me. Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 44 In article <13516@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: |Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, |get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your |whining. | |Fine. | |Fuck off too. | |If you noticed, it was in 91, more than two years ago, |and YES, I've learned, and it's cost me. | |And yes, I've known people (friends and relatives) who've |been involved in drunk-related accidents (not them, they were hit) |and my cousin is still recovering. | |No, I can't take back what happened. | |Yes, it was stupid. | |But, by reminding me about it all the time, you're |neither helping me or yourself, so stuff your opinion. Hey, man, you brought it up. I agree completely, driving drunk is really stupid, and I understand and appreciate that you feel bad about it. But DWI is endemic in our society. It is a REAL problem. And we, as motorcyclists, can be in the worst of vulnerable positions around a drunk driver. (Alert readers might remember that last year I witnessed a DWI accident (right bloody in front of me), and was unable to save the life of one of the participants, as I reported here.) Also, drunk driving by motorcyclists is a prime cause of their injury and death, which raises the insurance rates, forces stupidly restrictive laws, and turns the public against those of us who ride responsibly. In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence. It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue, but a genuine safety issue. So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto, admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes. Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | ""I'm getting tired of 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave. 84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."" AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth ""Bruiser"" Dixon ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: FORSALE: Men Without Hats- Folk of the 80's Part III vinyl From: andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz (andrew king) Reply-To: Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz Distribution: world Organization: Wibble X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 14 Grinning Evil Death (mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU) wrote: : Men Without Hats - ""Folk of the 80's (Part III)"" - vinyl Anyone out there who is willing to part with their copy of Men without Hats, ""Pop goes the world!"" album on vinyl...or perhaps CD... please contact me, we wish to purchase it! |o| Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz )() |o| | | |U |\ It's late (again)... | | |o| |___|/ Tea and Lemmings please! |o| ";-1;0 "From: support@qdeck.com (Technical Support) Subject: Re: DESQview/X on a PC? Organization: Quarterdeck Office Systems, Santa Monica CA Lines: 61 In article <1qtk84$rn5@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au writes: >In article 14595639@wl.aecl.ca, harrisp@wl.aecl.ca () writes: >>I use DESQview/X and I think it is great. Where it really shines (IMHO) is >>to let unix users log into a pc and run dos and windows applications with >>the display going to their screens. >>You'll need to get: >>DESQview/X v 1.1 >>DESQview/X v 1.1 $275 suggested retail >>DESQview/X to Other X Systems v 1.1 $200 suggested retail >> >>You also must be running a supported network (FTP softwares PCTCP, >>Novell Lan workplace for dos, Sun Microsystems PC-NFS, Beame and WHiteside, >>Wollongong pathway TCPIp or HP Microsoft Lan Manager) >> >>if you don't have any of this network stuff, Quarterdeck will give you a >>copy of Novell TCPIP transprot for dos with the Network manager. >> >>You can get more info by sending email to (appropriately) info@qdeck.com. Actually, info@qdeck.com is our customer service department. If you have technical questions, you can write to support@qdeck.com. >>In my opinion, if you want to have other people logging in and running >>applications at your pc, you'll want to have a 486 33 with 16 Megs of RAM. >>Also, the Xwindows software in DESQviewX really seems to like an ET 4000 >>(TSENG Labs chipset) based graphics card. Personally, I found that things >>ran better with a SCSI drive in the pc than with ESDI drives, but that is >>my experience only > >What sort of traffic is generated with the X-calls? I am curious to find >out the required bandwidth that a link must have if one machine running >DV/X is supporting multiple users (clients) and we require adequate response >time. Anyone have any ideas ?? I expect the limiting factor will be your server machine, not the network itself. To give you a real-world example, here at Quarterdeck we have roughly 100 people using DVX to talk to a bunch of unix boxes, novell file servers, and each other. It's not _too_ much of a load on our Ethernet (with maybe 4 concentrators, so you have 20-30 people on each segment). If you had a badly loaded net, or the apps you wanted to run were very network intensive, you could run into some slowdowns. But the biggest problem would be the machine itself. Say you have a 486 33 with plenty of ram and a fast hard disk and network card. If you have 10 people running programs off it, you're going to see some slowdowns because you're now on (effectively) a 3.3 MHz 486. Of course, DVX will attempt to see if tasks are idle and make sure they give up their time slice, but if you have 10 working programs running, you'll know it. Having said that, if you can tweak the programs being run (by adding in calls to give up time slices when idle and that sort of thing), you could probably run 15-20 people on a given machine before you started seeing slowdowns again (this time from network bandwidth). It all really depends on what the programs are doing (ie. you're going to see a slowdown from X-bandwidth a lot sooner if your apps are all doing network things also...) -- Quarterdeck Office Systems - Internet Support - Tom Bortels Pricing/Ordering : info@qdeck.com | Tech Questions : support@qdeck.com BBS: (310) 314-3227 * FAX: (310) 314-3217 * Compuserve: GO QUARTERDECK Q/Fax: (310) 314-3214 from touch-tone phone for Technotes On Demand! ";-1;0 "From: harmon@math.ohio-state.edu (Jim Harmon) Subject: MIDI Keyboard $225 Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University Lines: 13 Distribution: cmh NNTP-Posting-Host: ford.mps.ohio-state.edu Roland HS-60 (SynthPlus 60) - 6 voice polyphonic fully programmable analog synthesizer - 61 full size keys - MIDI - Memory to store 128 patches - built in speakers - Connectors: MIDI in thru out, Input(2), Expansion Pedal, Head Phones, Tape Load & Save, Patch Shift, Pedal Hold, Output(2) Asking $225 harmon@mps.ohio-state.edu ";-1;0 "From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera Lines: 24 Distribution: world Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu>, todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: =I think that's the correct spelling.. = I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow =do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking =that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for =sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly =appreciated. = In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my =knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic =object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns =or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type =of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might =extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within =the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. Go to the library and look up ""corona discharge."" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ";-1;0 "From: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) Subject: Re: Key definitions in Emacs + X Reply-To: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) Organization: Tekelec Inc., Raleigh NC Lines: 44 In a prior article ajaffe@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Andrew Jaffe) wrote: > Hi. > > I use Emacs and I want to customize my keyboard better. > When I set up stuff in my .emacs with a keymap and define-keys, > I can only access certain of the keys on my X-Terminal's > keyboard. I can't get e.g. F10, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn; they all > seem to have either the same or no keycode. I have a feeling > this can't be fixed in emacs itself, but that I need to do some > xmodmap stuff. Can someone help me? Unfortunately, the key event handling is pretty much hardwired into emacs. I ran into this problem a while back; my solution was to change the source code so that all of these special keys generated character sequences which basically encoded the keysym and modifier state as escape sequences -- for example, the sequence ""ESC [ 1 B 7"" would indicate that the ""HOME"" key was pressed, with the shift key down. You could also detect standard keys with odd modifiers, such as ""shift-Return"". If anybody wants these changes, they're welcome to them, but you'll have to have the source available and be comfortable munging with it a bit. Basically you have to replace the keypress handling code in the source file ""x11term.c"". Maybe if someone at OSF is interested, I can send them the tweaks, but I imagine they've got bigger fish to fry (hopefully including the much talked about emacs V19!). If there's sufficient interest, I'll post the mods somewhere, although this probably isn't the appropriate group for it. Notes: * This special code will only apply if you let emacs create its own (X11) window. If you run it in plain old tty mode (which includes Xterm windows) then it's business as usual. * The patches I made were to version 18.58, under Sun OS 4.1.2 [I also did this a while back under HP-UX]. The patches are in a chunk of code between '#if sun ... #endif' but could easily be adapted for anything else. +-------------------------------------------------------+------- /// -----+ | Mark Lanzo KD4QLZ lanzo@tekelec.com 919-460-5576 | \\\/// | +-------------------------------------------------------+---- \XX/ -------+ ";-1;0 "From: system@garlic.sbs.com (Anthony S. Pelliccio) Subject: Re: Beginner's RF ??? Organization: Antone's Italian Kitchen and Excellence in Operating Network X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.02 Lines: 27 klink@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.r.klinkner) writes: > Can anybody recommend a good, application-oriented beginner's reference > to RF circuits? > > I am pretty good on theory & know what different types of modulation mean, > but don't have a lot of practical experience. A book detailing working > circuits of different types (modulation, power, frequency, what is legal, > what is not, et cetera), would be very helpful. > > Thanks. Well, you might try the A.R.R.L.'s license study guides. For example, my Advanced Class study guide has lots and lots of good RF and electronics theory in it. I would imagine the other books are good too. Tony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Anthony S. Pelliccio, kd1nr/ae // Yes, you read it right, the // -- system @ garlic.sbs.com // man who went from No-Code // -----------------------------------// (Thhhppptt!) to Extra in // -- Flame Retardent Sysadmin // exactly one year! // ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is a calm .sig! -- -------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Portable Small Ground Station?dir Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.185700.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > In article <1993Apr2.214705.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >>How difficult would it be to set up your own ground station? > > Ground station for *what*? At one extreme, some of the amateur-radio > satellites have sometimes been reachable with hand-held radios. At the > other, nothing you can do in your back yard will let you listen in on > Galileo. Please be more specific. > -- > All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology > - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry SPECIFIC: Basically to be able to do the things the big dadies can do.. Monitor, and control if need be the Shuttle... Such as the one in Australia and such.... == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked ";-1;0 "From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin) Subject: LD ext. floppy drive for MAC(extremely cheap) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 10 I have a brand new low density 5.25"" floppy drive for MAC. It comes with a brand new Apple Macintosh II PC drive card, so that you can hook the drive up to the card. It allows you to use DOS formatted disks. I am selling it for $90 (abt 1/3 retail price). Ailin 803-654-8817 buyers pay shipping. ";-1;0 "From: black@sybase.com (Chris Black) Subject: cystic breast disease Organization: Sybase, Inc. Lines: 18 My mom has just been diagnosed with cystic breast disease -- a big relief, as it was a lump that could have been cancer. Her doctor says she should go off caffeine and chocolate for 6 months, as well as stopping the estrogen she's been taking for menopause-related reasons. She's not thrilled with this, I think especially because she just gave up cigarettes -- soon she won't have any pleasures left! Now, I thought I'd heard that cystic breasts were common and not really a health risk. Is this accurate? If so, why is she being told to make various sacrifices to treat something that's not that big of a deal? Thanks for any information. -- Chris -- black@sybase.com Note: My mailer tends to garble subject lines. ";-1;0 "From: csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley) Subject: Re: CTX Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] I started a similar thread about a month ago, and got many replies. The summary: CTX 14"": Nasty, low quality. Avoid. CTX 15"" Proscan: Not as good as some other makes; however, cheap. Main problem seems poor quality control. Some reported pincushioning (the problem I had), others poor focus, etc, etc. I complained about mine and it was 're-tuned' (I dodn't even pay shipping) and returned to me in 2 days. It's now clear, well-focussed and has no pincushioning or barrel distortion at all. I'm very happy with it, and the digital controls and mode memory are nice. Certainly, a Trinitron (say) would be much nicer, but that's well out of my price range. Conclusion: If you're on a budget, get one and be prepared to send it back if it's not perfect. It probably won't be when you get it, but has good potential. Chris ";5;1 "From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: re: fillibuster Lines: 55 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: |>>Come to that under the original plan there wasn't meant to be anything |>>much for the federal government to do except keep the British out. |> |> That's also untrue, but at least we're wandering a little closer |>toward reality. That the Articles of Confederation fell apart is enough |>proof it was there for just a tad bit more. Well yes and no. The Federalist papers are propaganda and it is therefore difficult to determine precisely what Maddison etc were up to from them. They certainly emphasised a limited role for the federal government but this was not necessarily their true position. |>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty |>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock |>>set in. |> |> I wasn't aware the House of Lords had ""wide powers."" I was under the |>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and |>certainly didn't have almost equal their powers. (The Senate is restricted |>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.) The Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in question. The stripping of the powers of the House of Lords did not occur until 1914 and David Llloyd George's budget. Even despite this the House of Lords has considerable power even today and is far from a rubber stamping body. |> My reading of the Constitution and other writings gives me absolutely |>no reason to believe the Senate wasn't intended to make use of their |>law-making powers. In fact, grid-lock appears to have been designed |>into the system, with the Senate being a more deliberative body to act |>as a check on the more-often elected House. The system is meant to be slow to react, the problem is that it ended up a bit too slow. |> On what basis do you suggest that the Senate was supposed to be |>some sort of rubber-stamp for the House? You'll note that while the |>President's veto may be over-ridden, the House can't do anything about |>a ""veto"" by the Senate. The Presiden't veto was meant to be entirely separate. Until Bush abused it in a quite extraordinary manner it was used more in accord with the intent of being a check on unreasonable legislation. The veto was clearly regarded as a completely last gasp measure its use was meant to be restricted to preventing the legislature interfering with the actions of the executive. the Senate is not meant to be exactly a rubber stamp body, it is meant as a check on unrestrained legislation. That is the extra measure built into the constitution in favour of the status quo, 60% of the representatives of the states is not a reasonable restriction. ";18;1 "From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Goalie mask poll Article-I.D.: hydra.93158 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 31 Here is an update on the Goalie mask poll... First, since so many people gave me their 3 best, I decided to give 3 pts for their favorite, 2 pts for 2nd, 1 for 3rd. If you e-mailed a response with only one, I gave it 3 pts. Please feel free to send me your 2 other favorites, if you only sent one before. Also, votes are still welcome! Any mask you like will do, as I have received votes for players not in the NHL. Please mention what team they play for, though. So here are the up-to-date results so far: Player Team Pts Votes ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Ed Belfour Chicago 8 4 Andy Moog Boston 8 3 3. Curtis Joseph St. Louis 5 2 4. Brian Hayward San Jose 4 2 5. Grant Fuhr Buffalo 3 1 Ron Hextall Quebec 3 1 7. Clint Malarchuk Buffalo 2 1 Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 2 1 9. John Casey Minnesota 1 1 Rick Wamsley Toronto (retired) 1 1 Thanks to all that voted, and keep 'em coming! -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin) Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers? Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr8.202746.12159@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) wrote: > > Good advice, of course. Thanks, Hesh. Time to go back for a Zen > refresher course. > > ""Imagine you are a lily, gently floating in a still, darkened pool."" And some BDC in a Volvo comes careening off the freeway and lands on top of you in said pool. You can't win. jim * Jim Franklin * jamesf@apple.com Jim Bob & Sons * * 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 | .signature remodling * * 1969 Triumph 650 (slalom champ) | Low price$ Quality workman- * * DoD #469 KotP(un) | ship * Call today for free estimit ";-1;0 "From: traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Dave Naehring X2079 P7630 (ep502dn@pts.mot.com) wrote: : In article 2482@adobe.com, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: : >Every single piece of evidence we can find points to Major League Baseball : >being 50% offense, 50% defense. A run scored is just as important as a run : >prevented. : > : This certainly passes the ""common sense test"" for me, but is there any : statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what : percent is fielding? I'd really like to know. BTW, Sherri, thanks for : the DA data I find it fascinating. One of the chapters in Palmer and Thorn's 'Hidden Game' is titled 'Pitching is 44% of Baseball,' implying that fielding is 6%. How do they determine that? Beats me -- it's been a long, long time since I read it. One also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning, with the split probably somewhere around 49.5% and 0.5%. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- neal traven+@pitt.edu You're only young once, but you can be traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu immature forever. -- Larry Andersen ";-1;0 "From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) Subject: Re: Defense against the detractors... Organization: University of Oregon Lines: 93 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr2.021154.18039@colorado.edu>, ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes... >In article eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes: >>In <1993Apr1.141455.16433@colorado.edu>, ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU sez: >>> (I would have thought you would have found better means >>>of refuting or responding to the substantive points and information in >>>the S.B. >>The S.B. needs no refutation by me. The patent absurdity of your >>beloved Great Book speaks for itself. > Your ignorance is clearly showing itself again, Mark. > Why don't you read the post and show us all where the > Silver Bulletin is wrong. It is an expose' of the > corruption and fraud in government. Or do you feel > that our wonderful state is just nifty and sweet? Fine. If you think it's an expose of corruption and fraud, please prevent a jury question. Don't just reassert your opening statement. >. . . >>For those in the dark, I wrote to Teel's sysadmin noting that a) he >>wastes bandwidth by posting identical messages (long ones) to several >>newsgroups independently (instead of cross-posting), and b) he has >>improperly used his posts to advertise goods for sale. > A) I was requested to post to those groups > and they were getting deleted... By whom? > B) The ""goods for sale"" was a method of showing the > source and obtaining further info... > And the message in question was retrieved in its entirety > from the net. I simply reposted it from one year ago. > Would there be a complaint if I had posted an article from > ""Newsweek"" then posted the address and subscription price? > How about the subscription info for the American Law Review? > Bit of a double standard? Yeah... think so... No indication that was what happened until now. Editing down is always possible. >. . . >>Readers more careful than A.J. will note that the complaint (appended >>below) expressly disclaims any wish to suppress Teel's postings merely >>because they are infantile, irrational, and tedious. > More name calling, Mark? Is that your best shot? > Oh, I see. The reason for your sending that letter > had nothing to do with your opinion of my information... > Right. Clearly your motivations were the best interest > of all of those poor users who could not speak for themselves. > If we weren't talking about attempted censorship(sp?), it > would be funny... > Further, your ""perception"" (for want of a better term) is not > the feedback that I have been getting via email and others. > The ""keep it up!""'s outnumber the ""Go away!""'s at least 20 to 1. It would be interesting to hear who the responding parties are. > I, for one, have no intention of being a slave. You may > be so if you like. Just remember where you heard that > on Tribute Day (April 15). I am not a 14th Amendment > taxpayer/slave/SSN holder/etc. Are you? FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY: Don't let the IRS see this, Mr. Teel. >. . . . > And by the way, the reference to UCC 1-207 is made > in pari materia with my Common-Law Rights. 1-207 > is the recourse and 1-103 is the remedy. And, as has been noted more times than we care to count, about as likely to stand up in court as the twenty-seven eight by ten color glossy pictures the Stockbridge, Mass., police, took for use as evidence against Arlo Guthrie. (As anyone who knows Alice's Restaurant is aware, he pleaded guilty to littering, was fined $50, and told to pick up the garbage.) Daniel Reitman HOW NOT TO WRITE A DEED One case involved the construction of a conveyance to grantees ""jointly, as tenants in common, with equal rights and interest in said land, and to the survivor thereof, in fee simple. . . . To Have and to Hold the same unto the said parties hereto, equally, jointly, as tenants in common, with equal rights and interest for the period or term of their lives, and to the survivor thereof at the death of the other."" The court held that the survivorship provision indicated an intent to create a joint tenancy. Germain v. Delaine, 294 Ala. 443, 318 So.2d 681 (1975). ";18;1 "From: kschang@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Kuo-Sheng (Kasey) Chang) Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 29 In article robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor) writes: >Justin Whitton (ma90jjw%isis@ajax.rsre.mod.uk) wrote: >: In article edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) writes: >: >: thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote: >: >: I think the ink now used in the DeskJet family is water-fast. >: >: I've had pictures ruined by a few drops of rain. These were colour pictures >: from a DeskJet 500C. Mind you, it could have been acid rain:-) > >The black ink is waterfast, but the color isn't > >: >: I use a BJ10ex. Ink dries fast, but it really doesn't like getting wet. >: >: -- >: /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ >: |Justin Whitton at ma90jjw%hermes@uk.mod.relay |Where no man has gone before..| >: |after August mail ma90jjw@brunel.ac.uk. \------------------------------| >: |Disclaimer: My opinions count for nothing, except when the office is empty. | >: |I'm a student => intelligence = 0. | >: \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ > >Bob Taylor >HP Vancouver > ";-1;0 "From: cctr114@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Rea) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand. Lines: 68 Carol Alvin (caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com) wrote: > In the New Testament (sorry I don't have a Bible at work, and can't > provide a reference), women are instructed to be silent and cover > their heads in church. Now, this is scripture. By your definition, > this is truth and therefore absolute. > >Do women in your church speak? Do they cover their heads? If all >scripture is absolute truth, it seems to me that women speaking in and >coming to church with bare heads should be intolerable to evangelicals. >Yet, clearly, women do speak in evangelical churches and come with bare >heads. (At least this was the case in the evangelical churches I grew >up in.) > >Evangelicals are clearly not taking this particular part of scripture >to be absolute truth. (And there are plenty of other examples.) >Can you reconcile this? The problem you see here is that some Christians claim things about the Bible which they don't actually believe or practice. I've known all sorts of Christians, ranging from the trendiest of liberals to the fire-breathing fundamentalists, and although many on the conservative side of the Christian faith do claim that the Bible is a (perhaps *the*) source of absolute truth, I don't know of anyone who treats it as anything other than a valuable part of a living tradition. While I am not a Roman Catholic, I believe this is close to the official position of the RC church (perhaps an RC would like to comment). The particular practice you refer to will usually be explained in terms of the social context of the time. You would think the fact that the conservatives seem to have to break out the tophat-and-cane and give you some big song-and-dance routine about why this (other passages as well) aren't directly applicable today would show them that what they claim about the Bible and what they actually practice are two different things, but mostly it doens't. While this thread is supposed to be about the arrogance of Christians, I would suggest that some of the problem is really hypocrasy, in this case, making claims about the Bible which the claimants don't actually put into practice. But if we step back from the name-calling and look at what people are attempting to say, we see that they are trying to express very concisely the unique place the Bible holds within the Christian faith. So when people use such words or phrases as ""Word of God"", ""inerrant"", ""infallibale"", ""The Manufacturer's Handbook"", ""The only rule of faith and practice in the church today"" to describe the Bible, we should try to hear what they are saying and not just look at the mere words they use. Some of the above descriptions are demostratably false and others are self-contradictory, but in my experience people are generally pretty good at picking out the intention of the speaker even when the speaker's words are at variance with their intentions. A Biblical example is from the garden of Eden where God asks ""Where are you?"" and Adam explains that he was naked and afraid and hid himself. If Adam had answered God's words he would have said something like ""I'm here in this tree."" The problem seems to arise when Christians insist that these words are indeed accurate reflections of their beleif. Most people have not made a determined effort to work out their own understanding of the place of the Bible within their own faith and so rely on the phrases and explanations that others use. I hope this helps. -- ___ Bill Rea (o o) -------------------------------------------------------------------w--U--w--- | Bill Rea, Computer Services Centre, | E-Mail b.rea@csc.canterbury.ac.nz | | University of Canterbury, | or cctr114@csc.canterbury.ac.nz | | Christchurch, New Zealand | Phone (03)-642-331 Fax (03)-642-999 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: m91nen@tdb.uu.se (Nils Engstrom) Subject: Re: compiling on sun4_411 Organization: Department of Scientific Computing, Uppsala University Lines: 15 In article Wilson Swee writes: >_sin >_cos >_pow >_floor Link with '-lm' (math library). >_get_wmShellWidgetClass >_get_applicationShellWidgetClass This is a bug in Sun's shared libraries. Linking with '-assert nodefinitions' should do the trick. n ";-1;0 "From: egan@phony25.cc.utah.edu (Egan F. Ford) Subject: Need Help with key bindings Reply-To: egan%phony25.cc.utah.edu@hellgate.utah.edu Organization: Call Business Systems Lines: 21 I need help binding some value to the HOME and END keys on my keyboard. I have an rs/6000 w/ aix3.2.3ext running X11R5pl19 mit dist. I'm using a PC running eXceed for windows as my xterminal. The HOME and END keys do not send a value, and my application needs them to be defined. I used this in my Xdefaults to define the keys: varnet*VT100.Translations: #override \ Home: string(""\033[8~"") \n\ End: string(""\033[7~"") Then I xterm -name varnet. This works perfect, however the 7 and the 1 key on my keypad are also defined as \033[8~ and \033[7~. Any ideas? Help please. Thanks. -- Egan F. Ford egan%phony25.cc.utah.edu@hellgate.utah.edu ";-1;0 "From: katkere@krusty.eecs.umich.edu (Arun Katkere) Subject: Re: cylinder and ray Reply-To: katkere@engin.umich.edu Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 19 In article <1qc1fgINNbv4@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, koehler@secs.ucsc.edu writes: |> I would be most thrilled if some kind person could help me with the following |> Given a cylinder in 3D -defined as a line segment between two points and |> a radius (e.g. Sx,Sy,Sz to Ex,Ey,Ez and r), what is the easiest (and not |> too expensive) way to find if a ray -defined as another line through two |> points -cuts through this cylinder and if so where? |> I think the test for touching is rather simple: if the closest approach |> of the two lines is less than r, then the ray does penetrate the cylinder. Nope, this won't work for a cylinder. You can have a line arbitrarily close to the the cylinder backbone, and yet not intersect it. The test works for a pillbox, though. (a cylinder with two hemispheres attached at the ends.) |> Thanks, |> Ryan (koehler@secs.ucsc.edu) -arun -- ";-1;0 "From: Aaron Herskowitz Subject: For Sale: Borland C++ w/ Application Frameworks 3.1 Reply-To: aherskow@alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College [Please excuse me if this is inappropriate to post here, but I do not read these groups normally and I did not see any PC related marketplace newsgroups] FOR SALE: Borland C++ with Application Frameworks 3.1 (Full Professional Developer Kit) Borland C++ Programming Package including unopened software, unopened manuals, and registration card. SOFTWARE INCLUDES: 1. *Still plastic wrapped* high density 5.25 inch disks for Borland C++: total of 18 diskettes in 2 individually wrapped packages, each disk has ""Borland C++"" and ""BC++ & APP. FRAMEWORKS 3.1"" on label 2. Amish System Utilities for Windows (one 5.25"" high density disk): Amish Launch Amish Desk Utilities for Windows 3. Phar Lap's 286|DOS-Extender Lite Version 2.5 (one 5.25"" HD disk) MANUALS INCLUDE: 1. *Still Plastic Wrapped* Manuals include (i.e. unopened): A. Boland Windows API Volumes: I: Reference Guide II: Reference Guide III: Windows 3.1 Reference Guide B. Borland Turbo Debugger 3.0 User's Guide C. Borland Turbo Profiler 3.0 User's Guide D. Borland Turbo Assembler 3.0 Users Guide E. Borland C++ 3.1 User's Guide: integrated environment optimization command line compiler installation F. Borland C++ 3.1 Programmer's Guide: language structure, class libraries, advanced prgramming techniques, anci c implementaion G. Borland C++ 3.1 Library Reference: runtime library, global variables, cross-reference H. Borland C++ 3.1 Tools and Utilities Guide: error messages, winsightm make, help/resource compilers, tlink I. Borland Object Windows for C++ User's Guide: tutorials, class reference 2. Opened (no plastic wrapping, but unread) Manuals include: A. Borland Turbo Assembler 3.0 Quick Reference Guide B. Borland Turbo Vision for C++ User's Guide C. Borland Resource Workshop User's Guide This package was purchased by a former employee of my father's and my father has asked me to try and sell it since neither of us have any use for it. Retails for $749, most software houses have it for approx. $480. I am asking $400. If you are interested, please e-mail me directly because I do not normally read this newsgroup. -- Aaron Herskowitz [aherskow@alleg.edu] Allegheny College, Meadville, Pennsylvania ";-1;0 "From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) Subject: Re: Thrush (was: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 24 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article <21APR199308571323@ucsvax.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucsvax.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes: >My dentist (who sees a fair amount of thrush) recommended acidophilous: >After I began taking acidophilous on a daily basis, the outbreaks ceased. >When I quit taking the acidophilous, the outbreaks periodically resumed. >I resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then. This is the second post which seems to be blurring the distinction between real disease caused by Candida albicans and the ""disease"" that was being asked about, systemic yeast syndrome. There is no question that Candida albicans causes thrush. It also seems to be the case that active yogurt cultures with acidophilous may reduce recurrences of thrush at least for vaginal thrush -- I've never heard of anyone taking it for oral thrush before (though presumably it would work by the same mechanism). Candida is clearly a common minor pathogen and a less common major pathogen. That does not mean that there is evidence that it causes the ""systemic yeast syndrome"". -- David Rind rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu ";-1;0 "From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 42 Wayne Alan Martin writes: >Excerpts from netnews.sci.electronics: 16-Apr-93 Re: What do Nuclear >Site's .. by R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal. >> From: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com >> Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? >> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:27:21 PDT >> >> In article: <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> >> swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) wrote: >> >I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that >> >this board would be most appropriate. >> >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that >> >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders >> >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the >> >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called >> >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? >Great Explaination, however you left off one detail, why do you always >see them at nuclear plants, but not always at fossil fuel plants. At >nuclear plants it is prefered to run the water closed cycle, whereas >fossil fuel plants can in some cases get away with dumping the hot >water. As I recall the water isn't as hot (thermodynamically) in many >fossil fuel plants, and of course there is less danger of radioactive >contamination. Actually, fossil fuel plants run hotter than the usual boiling-water reactor nuclear plants. (There's a gripe in the industry that nuclear power uses 1900 vintage steam technology). So it's more important in nuclear plants to get the cold end of the system as cold as possible. Hence big cooling towers. Oil and gas fired steam plants also have condensers, but they usually are sized to get the steam back into hot water, not most of the way down to ambient. Some plants do cool the condensers with water, rather than air; as one Canadian official, asked about ""thermal pollution"" de-icing a river, said, ""Up here, we view heat as a resource"". Everybody runs closed-cycle boilers. The water used is purified of solids, which otherwise crud up the boiler plumbing when the water boils. Purifying water for boiler use is a bigger job than cooling it, so the boiler water is recycled. John Nagle ";-1;0 "From: michael@iastate.edu (Michael M. Huang) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 21 MSG is common in many food we eat, including Chinese (though some oriental restaurants might put a tad too much in them). I've noticed that when I go out and eat in most of the Chinese food restaurants, I will usually get a slight headache and an ununsual thirst afterwards. This happens to many of my friends and relatives too. And, heh, we eat Chinese food all the time at home :) (but we don't use MSG when we're cooking for ourselves) So, when we put one and one together, it can be safely assumed that MSG may cause some allergic reactions in some people. Stick with natural things. MSG doesn't do body any good (and possibly harms, for that matter). So, why bother with it? Taste food as it should be tasted, and don't cloud the flavor with an imaginary cloak of MSG. -michael -- Michael M. Huang | Don't believe what your eyes are telling you. ICEMT, Iowa State Univ. | All they show is limitation. Look with your michael@iastate.edu | understanding, find out what you already know, #include | and you'll see the way to fly. - J. L. Seagull ";-1;0 "From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Militello update Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Distribution: usa Lines: 25 In article <93602@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) writes: > >HEY!!! All you Yankee fans who've been knocking my prediction of Baltimore. Um. How many games have the Orioles won? >You flooded my mailbox with cries of ""Militello's good, Militello's good."" He is, or will be. >Where is he??!! I noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first >outing. He's not by any chance in Columbus now, is he? Please don't tell >me you're relying on this guy to be the *fourth*, not the fifth, but the >*fourth* starter on this brittle pitching staff. No, currently there's no room for him in the rotation. Key is having a Most Impressive April. Abbott is pitching well. Perez is back. Wickman has pitched his way into the rotation, and is holding his spot with an outstanding performance his last time out. And Kamieniecki isn't doing too poorly himself. If the Yankees find themselves in need of a starter, Militello will get another chance. Until then, he'll have to wait in line. -Valentine ";-1;0 "From: Mike Diack Subject: Re: RAMs &ROMs with ALE latches (for 8051's) X-Xxdate: Wed, 21 Apr 93 03:04:18 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-88.gw.umn.edu Organization: persian cat & carpet co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Lines: 15 In article <1qg98sINNokf@sheoak.ucnv.edu.au> j. pethybridge, jeff@redgum.ucnv.edu.au writes: > I asked this a year ago, but i am still looking. > I am getting sick of having to use a HC373 or a 8751/2. Check out Xicor's new goodie in the April 12th edition of EETimes X88C64 - an 8k * 8 E2PROM with built in latch AND bootloader setup. You hook it directly to your '51, power it up, the prom initialises the serial port on the '51, you load in your code via RXD, this gets blatted onto the E2PROM, then you reset and run - i'm sure Dallas also does something like this too, i suppose it would boil down to relative prices, and the Dallas part freeing up P0 & P2 completely. I wonder if ANYONE has ever managed to design a single sided PCB with an 8051, 573, EPROM, SRAM and >>NO LINKS<< ? cheers Mike. ";-1;0 "From: kevin@axon.usa (Kevin Vanhorn) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: /usr/users/kevin/.organization Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: axon.cs.byu.edu In-reply-to: roby@chopin.udel.edu's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 05:53:07 GMT In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > > Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set > by cult members. Correction: The *FBI* *says* that two of the nine who escaped said the fire was deliberately set by cult members. Since the press was kept miles away, we have absolutely no independent verification of any of the government's claims in this matter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin S. Van Horn | Is your religion BATF-approved? vanhorn@bert.cs.byu.edu | ";-1;0 "From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) Subject: Fred and Tom, ad naseum X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 189 >>Nick sez; I'm not very impressed by the old so-called ""prospecting"" work from LPI, it has almost all been geared towards industrially silly processes on the moon as an excuse to put astronauts there. [...] >>Fred replies; Translation: It doesn't support the Nick Szabo Vision of the Future to Which You MUST Subscribe... >Tom sez; Fred, we're all supporting what each of us thinks should be done, to some degree. If you have a problem with what Nick thinks should be done, address it, instead of just complaining about his doing so. >Fred again; You really don't get what the 'complaints' are about, do you? [not incredibly clear explanation of complaints...something between feelings regarding Nick's method, and judgments about his meaning] T >>Maybe I'd get it if you said what the complaints are about, rather than >>doing the same things that you mean to complain about. When you trash >>people, how am I supposed to read that as 'trashing people is bad'? F >Gee, funny that you get it now, then? Deliberate obtuseness, perhaps? *** Fred's issue #1; Nick's alleged trashing of others *** I only got it when you stopped trashing, and made your point patently, instead of 'allegorically'. That was my point all along, Fred. >>>>Not only >>>>do you do the same thing on the net (honestly reporting your ideas >>>>on matters of policy and projects in space), but your response was just >>>>baiting, not even part of a debate. >>>I have yet to see Nick enter into anything remotely resembling ""a >>>debate"". I see him flame anyone or anything who disagrees with The >>>One True Szabo Plan; I see him attacking people, calling them ""lazy >>>bastard"" because they had the temerity to disagree with the Almight >>>Nick; I see him questioning peoples ethics, again because they had the >>>temerity to disagree with Lord God Szabo. But debate? BWAAaaahhhaaaa. >>I'm glad you can laugh, since your ratio of debate/insult is about the same. >Not even close, Tommy, and generally only when I'm dealing with >someone like Nick. I see we are dealing with a problem in a conflict of interpretations, not least of which is your belief that only you can adequately judge what is and is not debate. Suffice to say that I disagree with you on that last point. Why don't you take a poll, Fred, if you want some psuedo-objective point-of-view? And, as usual, you defend your insults with ""he started it."" ""Yeah, I took some of his research and called it my own, but he started it."" ""So what if I stole his car, he stole my lawnmower first."" Besides that, I think it's still open to interpretation whether Nick actually did start it. So your defense, besides being lame, and contradicting the first part of the sentence in which it occurs, may not even apply anyway. Your defense reminds me of the guy that broke the borrowed tool: ""I never borrowed it, I already gave it back, and it was broken when you gave it to me."" Make up yer mind, Fred! >>>>I'm not convinced that people are necessary in all parts of every space- >>>>based process, and your response doesn't tell me a thing about the >>>>reasons why you think they should be, except to impune the motives of >>>>the person with a divergent opinion. >>>Who said I think they should be, Tommy? Show me a note where I said >>>that and I'll eat this terminal. ****See below, Fred**** >>Fred, I cocluded that you did, since you took issue with it. The fact >>that my conclusion was incorrect, i.e. that you were taking issue with >>something different, is evidence that your communication style is >>confusing. >Or evidence that your reading and comprehension style are inadequate. First, I try to address what I think you meant, for which I am rewarded with a denial of sorts, and a smart remark. Then, I point out that I am not clear what you did mean, rather than risking your childish ire, wrongly interpreting you a second time, and I'm stupid for it. I just can't win, can I, Fred? You've got a great point here somewhere, it's just that between stupid people that you must insult, and your jealous guarding of your valuable opinions, you never actually get around to making it. >Please quote the 'it' I took issue with. I believe you will see (if >you look) that what I was and am taking issue with is Mr Szabo's idea >that the manned program should be scrapped until such time as his >toaster-based infrastructure is finished. All Hail the Szabo Plan! *** Fred issue #2; Nick's alleged meaning *** Too bad the plan only exists in your mind, instead of Nick's, or you would have a really good point. Instead you have provided a good reason to ignore your insults, since they are based on incorrect interpretations that you have made about others. Forgive me for giving your insults more meaning than they ever should have had. My reading of what Nick actually said is that ""people aren't required in all parts of all space processes"", so your taking issue with his opinions regarding people in the space program, I read as ""People are required in all parts of all space processes."" So, help me out, here, Fred, since I'm so patently stupid. Did you read Nick wrong? Or are you going to eat your terminal now? If the latter, I sure hope it's one of those Cheeto and string models that all the computer mags have been raving about :-) The point is, _I_ am not stupid because of _your_ incorrect assumption. I'd only be stupid if I insulted you for having made it. But, alas, that's your job, Fred. And, finally, your style is confusing, since you tried to make two points, simultaneously, with an allegory/insult. Sadly, one point addressed a 'plan' that only existed in your mind, and the other took issue with behaviors that you do as much as anyone. >More deliberate lack of understanding, Tommy? No, no, I finally got it. You don't like the plan that Nick's posts made you imagine. And you don't like Nick's obnoxious behavior, even though it's no worse than your own. Thanks for taking the time with someone as dense as myself. >>>>If you have a problem with Nick's delivery, address that. The way you >>>>bait, you're perpetuating the lack of discourse that you complain of. >>>No, Tommy, the 'bait' is that which elicits the response. *NICK* >>>'baits'; I just flame him for being an obnoxious fool. >>I don't really care who started it. I read this list to get information >>and other's views on the issues to which it was dedicated, not to be >>your Mom (He started it! No, he did!) or to hear about why Nick is a very >>bad guy. If you think flaming is bad, stop flaming, or at least get to >>the point in the first post, instead of explaining yourself all the time. >That's nice, Tommy. When you pay me to post to the net you can >complain about not getting your money's worth. Perhaps if you weren't >(deliberately?) too thick to get the point the first time I wouldn't >have to waste time ""explaining [myself] all the time""? Of course, Socrates. How could it be otherwise? >I think it's neat how all this criticism from you started after your >'fatherly' admonitions to me about how such things should be handled >outside Usenet were somewhat rebuffed. Being a little hypocritical, >Tommy (to go with the immaturity)? Or is this just the pique of a >net.ghod wannabe who got turned down by someone he *thought* was new >(and hence could be 'instructed' -- Tommy, I saw you come on the net). Who cares who came on the net first? If you do, consider that you saw me come on after a brief haitus, before which I was on for about 2 years. If you had seen me on the net first, you'd remember when Nick and I went down exactly the same road regarding rude, unneccesary behavior. It's just amazing to me that you continue to take issue with behavior that's no worse than your own. Let's see here, my complaints about your obnoxious behavior are hypocritical, while your flames against people you decide are flamers isn't, and my complaints about your name-calling are immature, while your name-calling isn't. Yeah, right. Maybe if you called me some more names, I might see it better, Fred. ""Net.ghod wannabe""? Naturally, Fred, you've correctly interpreted my motivations, when yours are impossible to judge from your actions (as your insulting of people that try, proves). I didn't really care about people that fill the net with personal garbage, what I really wanted was to impress everyone. I only put my complaints with your behavior on private mail, not because it belongs there, but because I thought you were such a jerk that you'd bring it back to the Net, playing right into my hands. Alas, I had no idea what an intellectual master you were, turning tables and bringing the history of these posts to the net, for the noble and valuable purpose of embarassing me. Whether I should feel stupid because I tried to make suggestions to such a superior intellect, or becuase I tried to communicate like an adult with a self-righteous ass, still isn't clear. Well, Fred, you exposed me. Now I'll never be able to get a(nother) job with NASA, since they all know that I'm stupider than Fred McCall. Well, I just hope you're happy. Please leave me alone, now. I just don't have the heart to attempt keeping up with one so far above me. Maybe Nick or Pat can approach your high standards, but I'm dropping it now. -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";2;1 "From: neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... In-Reply-To: madman@austin.ibm.com's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:31:58 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: seoul Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> Lines: 12 [sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ] > That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves > and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is > imminent. > > Steve Heracleous You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from me - those kids are mean. ";-1;0 "From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: A Remarkable Admission Lines: 19 Jon Livesey writes: >I'm certainly not going to attempt to distinguish between different >flavours of Christian, all loudly claiming to be the One True Christian. Well, it's obvious that you *don't* attempt, otherwise you would be aware that they *don't* all ""loudly [claim] to be the One True Christian"". I've tried to avoid using the phrase ""is/is not christian"" because of these ownership issues; instead, I've tried the phrase ""Nicene christianity"" in an attempt to identify the vast majority of ""christianity"" which has roughly similar viewpoints on the core theological issues. The JWs do not fall within this group and in fact espouse a position known as Arianism, which is rejected by all the nicene churches and virtually everyone else as well. -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" ";-1;0 "Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: Model United Nations Lines: 3 Just observed at the National Model United Nations here in NYC. Just one word on it : AWSOME. Peace, matt ";-1;0 "From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Re: LaserJet IV upgrades to 1200dpi opinions Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 (larryhow@austin.ibm.com) wrote: : : What are the current products available to upgrade the resolution? : Which ones support postscript? : : Any experiences with them, either good or bad? : : Is the quality difference really noticable? : : I'm planning on producing camera ready copy of homes. Will the higher : resolution be noticed for these? : If you are talking about laser jet 4 then I believe it has to be postscript. I don't see any advantage to using PCL when you have a peice of hardware plugged into the LJ4 that is doing the work and it can support any language that is suited for the job. Besides I don't think PCL is even capable of handling 1200 dpi specifications. I only have experience with the Laser Master Winjet 1200 which brings the LJ4 up to 1200 dpi and it uses postscript. It also has a fast print mode which is not postscript, and it is at a lower resolution (600dpi I think), but it is FAST!!!! This particular product uses your host processor to process the postscript, so even with a decent PC you know it's going to be slow i.e. slow compared to a high-end workstation processed PS. The quality difference is very noticable and is almost worth the wait (for the PS processing) - I'm rather impatient. We were using it for B&W camera images (RS-170). The gray scale image was accepted by MS Word and handed to the Winjet PS printer driver which converts the image into postscript and then hands it off to the Winjets postscript processor. The postscript is rendered into RAM (lots of it) and when it is done it shoots it directly to the printer. The PS processor can also accept PS files created from other sources including DOS applications, but Windows has to be running at the time of printing. The PS processor is responsible for the halftoning and I'd say it does a pretty good job. Our camera images came out very good in my opinion. (not as good as Laser Master's demo though). I don't know how many other similar products are out there but I would be surprised if there are several. Gordon Lang ";-1;0 "From: mwm+@cs.cmu.edu (Mark Maimone) Subject: How to read sci.space without netnews Summary: Space Digest address Nntp-Posting-Host: a.gp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 36 In article <734975852.F00001@permanet.org> Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado) writes: >If anyone knows anyone else who would like to get sci.space, >but doesn't have an Internet feed (or has a cryptic Internet >feed), I would be willing to feed it to them. Kudos to Mark for his generous offer, but there already exists a large (email-based) forwarding system for sci.space posts: Space Digest. It mirrors sci.space exactly, and provides simple two-way communication. TO SUBSCRIBE: Send the following message in the *body* (not subject) of an email message: subscribe space John Q Public to one of these addresses: listserv@uga listserv@uga.cc.uga.edu listserv@finhutc listserv@finhuc.hut.fi space-request@isu.isunet.edu You'll receive all the posts in ""digest"" form once a day. Please use a listserv if you can, the ""space-request"" address is handled manually. TO POST MESSAGES: Send your message (with a reasonable Subject line) to: space@isu.isunet.edu Questions, comments to space-request@isu.isunet.edu -- Mark Maimone phone: +1 (412) 268 - 7698 Carnegie Mellon Computer Science email: mwm@cmu.edu ";-1;0 "From: twa2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Todd W Anderson) Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks? Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 9 On my 486DX33 with the Stealth 24 VLB I get 11.4 WinMarks with ver. 3.11 ";-1;0 "From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel McCoy) Subject: R4 Version of xrecplay Reply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Organization: I-NET Inc. Lines: 14 I have and use xrecplay for X11R5. Does one exist for X11R4??? I have tried to contact one of the developers, Eric Swildens, at ess@hal.com but he is no longer there and has no forwarding email address. Archie is no help either. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --- Daniel J. McCoy |=> SPACE <=| I-NET, Inc. NASA Mail Code PT4 |=> IS <=| TEL: 713-483-0950 NASA/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR <=| FAX: 713-244-5698 Houston, Texas 77058 |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov ";-1;0 "From: billj@b11.b11.ingr.com (Bill Jones) Subject: Re: Need specs/info on Apple QuickTime Keywords: quicktime Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL Lines: 16 add@sciences.sdsu.edu (James D. Murray) writes: >I need to get the specs, or at least a very verbose interpretation of the >specs, for QuickTime. Technical articles from magazines and references to >books would be nice too. >I also need the specs in a format usable on a Unix or MS-DOS system. I can't >do much with the QuickTime stuff they have on ftp.apple.com in its present >format. Apple just released the Quicktime volume of the new Inside Macintosh series. Any bookstore with reasonable technical stock should have it. Bill Jones billj@beowulf.b11.ingr.com ";-1;0 "From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 11 In article <1qk3jm$9sh@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >I know a number of ex-HCI members who have recently become NRA members. >I've never heard of a single one who has gone the other way. I've been a member of the NRA for several years and recently ""joined"" HCI. I wanted to see what they were up to and paid the minimum ($15) to get a membership. I also sent the NRA another $120. -- Would the founding fathers have approved of encryption so strong that the government could not break it? ";-1;0 "From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 131 In <2942956021.3.p00261@psilink.com> ""Robert Knowles"" writes: >>DATE: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 10:00:39 GMT >>FROM: Fred Rice >> >>In <1p8ivt$cfj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >> >>>Should we British go around blowing up skyscrapers next? >> >>I don't know if you are doing so, but it seems you are implying >>(1) that the person accused of blowing up the WTC in NY actually did it, >>and >>(2) that Islamic teachings have something to do with blowing up the WTC. >> >>[WTC = World Trade Centre, which was the building that was blown up, I >>think.] >> >>Okay... to make some comments... >> >>(1) The person has only been accused -- innocent until proven guilty, >>remember? Secondly, there seem to be some holes in his accusation that >>I read about. For instance, if they guy used that particular van to >>blow up the building, and then to go back and claim his deposit back >>afterwards, he must be incredibly stupid. >Perhaps Salamen was one of those ""uneducated"" Muslims we hear so much about. >>Nevertheless, he was >>apparently smart enough to put together a very sophisticated bomb. It >>doesn't seem to fit together, somehow. >Actually, Salameh was not the ONLY person involved. The other fellow was >a chemical engineer working for Allied Signal who had specifically studied >explosive devices in school (believe it or not - we actually allow radical >Muslim types to study things like this in our universities - so much for >the price of freedom) From what I read, the other fellow told Salameh how to put it together over the phone. The bomb was supposedly some sort of sophisticated type, so to put a (I assume complicated) sophisticated bomb together from instructions _over the phone_ (!) one must need some brains I would expect. >>Despite this, there have >>already been many attacks and threats against mosques and Muslims in the >>United States as a consequence of his accusation, I have read. >> >O.K., now please tell us where this is happening. I live in the U.S. and >I have heard very little about these mosque attacks. There are many mosques >in Houston, Texas and I would like to know what is going on so I can verify >this. Or is the Great Jewish Media Conspiracy keeping us from knowing about >this in the U.S. We heard about the mosque attacks during the Desert Storm >venture, so why is it so quiet now? Maybe it is localized to New Jersey? I read this in an article in ""The Australian Muslim Times"", the newspaper (weekly) of the Australian Muslim community. If this is true, perhaps one of the Muslims based in North America (if they see this posting) can elaborate. >>(2) Islamic teachings teach against harming the innocent. In the Qur'an >>it explicitly teaches against harming innocents even in times of war. >>The blowing up of the WTC and harming innocents is therefore in blatant >>contradiction to Islamic teachings. >This means absolutely nothing. Plenty of people commit violence while >following what they think are valid religious principles. I have seen >people post many things here from the Koran which could be ""misinterpreted"" >(if that is the explanation you wish to use) by an ""uneducated"" Muslim to >allow them to harm idolators and unbelievers. The first thing every Muslim >says is that no Muslim could have done that because Islam teaches against >harming innocents. And we are supposed to take you WORD that it NEVER >happens. What do you think is the consequence? Does Allah strike them >down before the ""alleged"" violence occurs? Of course not. Muslims commit >the violent act and then everyone hides behind verses in the Koran. We're >pretty hip to that trick. And I even doubt that it will come up in the >trials. >""My defense is that I am Muslim and Islam teaches me not to harm the innocent. >Therefore, the people who were killed must not have been innocent. Sure we >set off the bomb, your honor, but you must remember, sir, I am a Muslim. >Allah is all-powerful. Allah would not have allowed this. Are you insulting >my religion?"" >Great defense, eh? >Just admit that there are some incredibly stupid, violent Muslims in the >world and stop hiding from that fact. It does no one any good to deny it. >It only makes the more reasonable Muslims look like they are protecting the >bad ones. Can you see that? I don't deny this fact. The thrust of my argument here is that (a) Salameh is, according to US law, innocent as he has not been found guilty in a court of law. As his guilt has not been established, it is wrong for people to make postings based on this assumption. (b) Islam teaches us _not_ to harm innocents. If Muslims -- who perhaps have not realized that Islam teaches this -- perform such actions, it is _not_ _because_ of the teachings of Islam, but rather _in spite of_ and _in contradiction to_ the teachings of Islam. This is an important distinction. I should clarify what Muslims usually mean when they say ""Muslim"". In general, anyone who calls themselves a ""Muslim"" and does not do or outwardly profess something in clear contradiction with the essential teachings of Islam is considered to be a Muslim. Thus, one who might do things contrary to Islam (through ignorance, for example) does not suddenly _not_ become a Muslim. If one knowingly transgresses Islamic teachings and essential principles, though, then one does leave Islam. The term ""Muslim"" is to be contrasted with ""Mu'min"", which means ""true believer"". However, whether a Muslim is in reality a Mu'min is something known only by God (and perhaps that person himself). So you will not find the term Mu'min used very much by Muslims in alt.atheism, because it is not known to anybody (except myself and God), whether I, for example, am a ""true believer"" or not. For example, I could just be putting on a show here, and in reality believe something opposite to what I write here, without anyone knowing. Thus, when we say ""Muslims"" we mean all those who outwardly profess to follow Islam, whether in practice they might, in ignorance, transgress Islamic teachings. By ""Muslim"" we do not necessarily mean ""Mu'min"", or ""true believer"" in Islam. Fred Rice darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ";-1;0 "From: csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown) Subject: 600RPM Floopy drives - UPDATE! Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK Lines: 26 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk Many thanks to those who replied to my appeal for info on a drive I have which is 3.5"" 600RPM!! I now have some information on how to modify this for use with a BBC B computer. Not only do you have to change the speed from 600 to 300 rpm (tried that) but also change 8 components in the Rec/Play section to allow for the lower data rate (250kbit, not 500kbit as it was designed for) and also change the Recording Current to allow for the low data rate/rev speed! Hopefully this should sort it all out .... not bad for 9 quid (normally 32 quid and upwards ....) The drive is a JVC MDP series drive ... ============================================================================= _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ | _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ | Michael Brown _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ | _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ | csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ | mjb@dcs.warwick.ac.uk | ============================================================================= Lost interest ?? It's so bad I've lost apathy! ============================================================================= ";-1;0 "From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Ancient Books Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 20 In article , atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: > I don't think it's possible to convince atheists of the validity of > Christianity through argument. We have to help foster faith and an > understanding of God. I could be wrong--are there any former atheists here > who were led to Christianity by argument? This is an excellent question and I'll be anxious to see if there are any such cases. I doubt it. In the medieval period (esp. 10th-cent. when Aquinas flourished) argument was a useful tool because everyone ""knew the rules."" Today, when you can't count on people knowing even the basics of logic or seeing through rhetoric, a good argument is often indistinguishable from a poor one. Sorry; just one of my perennial gripes...<:-> Ken -- miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Nobody can explain everything to everybody. opinions are my own | G. K. Chesterton ";-1;0 "From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) Subject: Re: Binyamin Netanyahu on CNN tonight. Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr15.152424.5899@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil.Idriss:) writes: > >Arab leaders don't have to cheat, they are actually allowed to have four wives. >Are you implying above that Arab leaders are gays? Aren't there Jewish gays too? Arab leaders are now following by Islamic rules? (Or is it only applicable in cases like this?) :- I remember an article of about a year ago which stated that besides his wife, Saddam also has a mistress. Assad's brother has a wife and *several* mistresses, and those 'emirs' in the Gulf have, within their lifetimes, wives in the double digitas (only they manage to keep four at a time). This is all irrelevant. It takes a *lot* more than infidelity to make these leaders ruthless and corrupt. Maybe Netanyahu thought he could 'cleanse' himself by making such a public confession. Does the average secular Israeli care, though? The Mossad probably applauded him. :-) .. .. .. . __. _ _ . . (_/|___(_|__|__(_|___(_:_) .. ";-1;0 "From: tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Tim Liddelow) Subject: Installing MIT X11R5 on Apollo Organization: CATT Centre at CITRI, Melbourne, Australia Lines: 14 Can any Apollo GURUS out there let me know of their experiences building MIT X11R5, with or without GCC 2.3.3. In particular, is there anything I should watch out for. Thanks in advance --tim ________________________________________________________________________________ Tim Liddelow for(;;) fork(); Systems Programmer Centre of Advanced Technology in Telecommunications My brain on a bad day. CITRI, Melbourne, Australia internet : tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au Phone : +61 3 282 2455 Fax : +61 3 282 2444 ________________________________________________________________________________ ";-1;0 "From: adrian@ora.COM (Adrian Nye) Subject: imake book review Organization: O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. Lines: 12 Reply-To: adrian@ora.com NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Thanks for the many offers to review this book. If you received a review copy, please return it as soon as possible. I had a system crash and lost the list of people I sent it to! Thanks Adrian Nye O'Reilly and Associates adrian@ora.com ";12;1 "From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) Subject: Re: WC Pool B : GB win the gold In-Reply-To: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca's message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 13:03:17 GMT Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 30 In <1993Apr5.130317.8175@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca writes: > In article <1porp4$1c0@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk> nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk writes: > > > >GB has now risen from nowhere to Pool A in 5 seasons. They pulled out of the > >World Championships in 1981, and did not re-enter until 1989 when we took part > >in Pool D. In 1990, we hosted Pool D and won all our game to progress to > >Pool C. In 1991 GB finished 5th in Pool C, and then last year we hosted > >Pool C, again winning all our games. Now after Pool B, GB won all 7 games > >and in now in Pool A. World Champions next year perhaps :-) > > > > Just goes to show you what using Canadians can do for a hockey team... > France, Italy, and now Great Britain all use a significant number of > Canadians on ""their"" hockey teams. Yup. Then again, there are lots of foreign-born players on the Canadian national soccer team so the Brits give something back to you in the end:-) --- For the record, former NY Rangers coach Ted ""Darth"" Sator recently led Lion Milan (Jari Kurri's former team, only the nickname's changed [Devils->Lion]) to their second straight Italian championship. They made the European Final Four last autumn after losing to Swedish champs Malmo in the semis...and accomplished this feat using FIFTEEN Canadian-born players!! Mamma mia! MARCU$ > Gerald > ";-1;0 "From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Re: From Israeli press. Madness. In-Reply-To: jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:16:47 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University Lines: 12 In article jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Virginia's Gentleman) writes: This post has all the earmarks of a form program, where the user types in a nationality or ethnicity and it fills it in in certain places in the story. If this is true, I condemn it. If it's a fabrication, then the posters have horrible morals and should be despised by everyone on tpm who values truth. Jesse Agreed. Harry. ";-1;0 "From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) Subject: Re: MOW BODYCOUNT Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu > Any thoughts on who is going to count all of the gorgeous bodies at > the MOW? The press? The White House Staff? The most Junior > Senator? The King of the motss/bi? > Just curious as to whose bias we are going to see when the numbers > get brought out. Probably, law enforcement people (Park Service Police and D.C. cops), who will use aerial photographs and extrapolate based on the density of the crowd in small regions. These sort of techniques derive from Army Intelligence and CIA methods of estimating troop strength, and tend to be methodologically skewed to always come up with inflated numbers, so as to justify bigger budgets. Steve ";-1;0 "From: jbr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jarryl B. Ritchie) Subject: For Sale: Cannondale 3.0 Road Bike w/Dura Ace 56 cm Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 12 Cannondale 3.0 Road Bike 56 cm Bright Blue Color Dura Ace 8 speed not STI, could be easily converted though. 32 spoke wheelset, clinchers. Complete Bike $700 or best offer. All offers will be considered this bike has to go. Desperate times call for desperate measures. 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Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 36 gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: >Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run >digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets >say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate >be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? A good vocoder like ours will give you 8000 bits per second locked at full rate (it's a variable rate voice activity vocoder). If you want less quality, cut that to 4000 bps (half rate). At full rate variable you could put two full-duplex conversations on a V.32bis modem. This requires a DSP or ASICs, though. An RS-6000 has a CPU that could probably do it in real-time, because it has the add-and-multiply instruction and a few other DSP things. If you want to do speech in real-time you need about 4000 samples a second (for not very good voice) with your 8 bit samples (ISDN is 8000 8-bit samples a second), which is 32 kbps. You could do a fast 2:1 compression on that to get it down to 16 kbps, which is just about V.32bis. The quality at this point is very bleah, but it should work. Now add in the time for your encryption method. You're going to need sampling hardware, which is no problem on a new Mac, an Amiga. Or a PC with a SoundBlaster card (just because they're so popular and cheap - you could also build a simple ADC). The problem with the SoundBlaster is that it doesn't seem to be full duplex - you can't sample and play backq at the same time, making a two-way conversation a bit tough. The special hardware or a more capable sound card may be required. The only thing that worries me is that 2:1 compression - the SoundBlaster can do it automatically in hardware, but other than that I don't have a good feel for how processor intensive it is, so I can't estimate how fast a PC you'd need. -- Not all men who drink are poets. Some of us drink because we are not poets. ";-1;0 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful Lines: 10 : Does Dorothy Denning read this group? If not, is someone on the group : forwarding questions like these to her, or Martin Hellman, or anyone else : who's seen more details about the chip? Of course she does; it's just she's been toasted so often for being an NSA patsy that she's keeping her head down. You can always mail her directly as denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu, denning@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu or denning@cs.georgetown.edu G ";-1;0 "From: picano@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Silvio Picano) Subject: Logitech 2-button mouse & BIOS routines availability ? Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 21 Newsgroups: comp.ibm.pc.hardware Subject: Logitech 2-button mouse pin-out & BIOS routine availability? Distribution: world Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network I have a Logitech 2S-2f (or 2f-2S) 2-button mouse that I want to interface to a serial port of a different (non-ibm-compatible) system. The mouse is XT/AT/PS2 compatible, with a DB25 connector. I tried to reverse engineer the mouse, but it has a micro-controller inside it. If I could get the DB25 pin-out, and perhaps a copy of the BIOS routines that support it, I could map all this into my target system? Anyone know where I might get the pin-out or the BIOS routines? Are the routines published someplace convenient? Thanks! Silvio PS....please send email to me directly! ";-1;0 "From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: Zionism is Racism Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 10 ""D. C. Sessions"" writes: ># So Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism? > Assuming that you mean 'hear', you weren't 'listening': he just > told you, ""Zionism is Racism."" This is a tautological statement. I think you are confusing ""tautological"" with ""false and misleading."" -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org ";-1;0 "From: sundar@fiber-one.ai.mit.edu (Sundar Narasimhan) Subject: how much would a Tektronix 2465A oscilloscope fetch Reply-To: sundar@ai.mit.edu Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: fiber-one.ai.mit.edu Hi: I'd like to know how much the foll. equipment will fetch in the used equipment market (without manuals or other accessories): 1. Tektronix 2465 scope 2. Tektronix 2465A scope 3. Tektronix 1240 logic analyser Thanks much for your help. ";-1;0 "From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Re: Gulf War and Peace-niks Lines: 67 In article <1993Apr20.062328.19776@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: [...] > > Wait a minute. You said *never* play a Chamberlain. Since the US > *is* playing Chamberlain as far as East Timor is concerned, wouldn't > that lead you to think that your argument is irrelevant and had nothing > to do with the Gulf War? Actually, I rather like your idea. Perhaps > the rest of the world should have bombed (or maybe missiled) Washington > when the US invaded Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam, Mexico, Hawaii, > or any number of other places. Wait a minute, Doug. I know you are better informed than that. The US has never invaded Nicaragua (as far as I know). We liberated Grenada from the Cubans to protect US citizens there and to prevent the completion of a strategic air strip. Panama we invaded, true (twice this century). Vietnam? We were invited in by the government of S. Vietnam. (I guess we ""invaded"" Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, eh?) Mexico? We have invaded Mexico 2 or 3 times, once this century, but there were no missiles for anyone to shoot over here at that time. Hawaii? We liberated it from Spain. So if you mean by the word ""invaded"" some sort of military action where we cross someone's border, you are right 5 out of 6. But normally ""invaded"" carries a connotation of attacking an autonomous nation. (If some nation ""invades"" the U.S. Virgin Islands, would they be invading the Virgin Islands or the U.S.?) So from this point of view, your score falls to 2 out of 6 (Mexico, Panama). [...] > > What's a ""peace-nik""? Is that somebody who *doesn't* masturbate > over ""Guns'n'Ammo"" or what? Is it supposed to be bad to be a peace-nik? No, it's someone who believes in ""peace-at-all-costs"". In other words, a person who would have supported giving Hitler not only Austria and Czechoslakia, but Poland too if it could have averted the War. And one who would allow Hitler to wipe all *all* Jews, slavs, and political dissidents in areas he controlled as long as he left the rest of us alone. ""Is it supposed to be bad to be a peace-nik,"" you ask? Well, it depends on what your values are. If you value life over liberty, peace over freedom, then I guess not. But if liberty and freedom mean more to you than life itself; if you'd rather die fighting for liberty than live under a tyrant's heel, then yes, it's ""bad"" to be a peace-nik. The problem with most peace-niks it they consider those of us who are not like them to be ""bad"" and ""unconscionable"". I would not have any argument or problem with a peace-nik if they held to their ideals and stayed out of all conflicts or issues, especially those dealing with the national defense. But no, they are not willing to allow us to legitimately hold a different point-of-view. They militate and many times resort to violence all in the name of peace. (What rank hypocrisy!) All to stop we ""warmongers"" who are willing to stand up and defend our freedoms against tyrants, and who realize that to do so requires a strong national defense. Time to get off the soapbox now. :) [...] > -- > Doug Graham dgraham@bnr.ca My opinions are my own. Regards, Jim B. ";9;1 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Rangers give NHL another blackeye... Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 10 News reports in Toronto say that the Rangers are insisting that Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson play for Binghampton in the Calder Cup playoffs, rather than return to play for their ""home"" countries in the World Championships. ...shame on the Rangers. Another black eye for the NHL in Europe. Gerald ";-1;0 "From: noah@apple.com (Noah Price) Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? Organization: (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 24 In article <1qm2hvINNseq@shelley.u.washington.edu>, tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) wrote: > > > ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have > > concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating > > from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption > > of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices. > > Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault... That's fine, but would you name the ""industy experts"" so I can try to track this down? > This doesn't sound right to me. Don't Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the > Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That's all handled by the > chip. Yup. That's why I'm kinda curious... most SCSI problems I've encountered are due to cabling. noah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ noah@apple.com Macintosh Hardware Design ...!{sun,decwrl}!apple!noah (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Exploding TV! From: xhan@uceng.uc.edu (Xiaoping Han) Distribution: usa Organization: University of Cincinnati Lines: 12 In article <1qk4hj$qos@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> prasad@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Prasad Ramakrishna) writes: >... Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke? It's not the picture tube. More likely the flyback. Emerson? can't admire. Han >Prasad >prasadr@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu > ";11;1 "From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) Subject: Re: AHL Season in review (off ice stuff) Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr16.001323.10308@news.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes: >================================================== >SENATORS SOLD > >The Senators are currently in serious negotiations with Charlottetown >New Brunswick and are expected to move there. >================================================== It has been announced that the Senators will move their AHL franchise to Charlottetown, P.E.I. (Prince Edward Island), not New Brunswick. Charlie Cook charlie@calvin.cs.unb.ca ";-1;0 "From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: Another NYTimes Yellow-Sheet Editorial (4/4/93) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes: [other uninformed, purposefully ignorant gun control ranting deleted] >* Thanks to the N.R.A., the A.T.F. is prohibited from researching the >effectiveness of using taggants in explosives, Taggants are a cheap >and technologically feasible microscopic additive that would help >investigators at crime scenes - like the World Trade Center bombing >- trace the explosives involved. I want this man to tell me how in the hell you can take the explosives used in the WTC bombing, considering that the consensus seems to be that the explosive was a fertilizer-based one. Ammonium nitrate, to be exact . . . of which about 90,000 tons disappears per year (if I recall the stat correctly; I don't have it here.) Just one more disregarding of reality to push a point. [more bunk deleted] aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu ";3;1 "From: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Originator: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu In article <81930415084418/0005111312NA3EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes: >Recently while looking around in Traders Sporting Goods store, a very well >stocked firearms store, I discovered a printed document that was being >distributed by the good folks who work there. Traders, BTW, is located in >San Leandro, CA. . . . >The newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads - which is why you no longer >see the ads that Traders, San Leandro, has run for many years. > >These ads were run for the law-abiding honest citizens who own firearms for >sporting use or self-protection. They certainly have the right to do so, under >the Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms. Are you sure about this? I'm currently looking at a copy of last Thursday's SF Chronicle and there is the typical one column Traders ad on page C7 in the Sports section. Not only that, but there is a part in the middle which rather prominently says ""WANTED: We pay cash for assault rifles and pistols."". Granted, I haven't seen today's paper yet. But I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Traders ad in it. It's probably worth it to write to the Chronicle (and other papers) anyway, because all their anti-gun editorials are disgusting. By the way, let me put in a plug for Traders. I have shopped all over the SF Bay Area and I have never seen another store with lower prices. And their selection is amazing. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lee Gaucher | My opinions. gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu | No one else's. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: RUTIJOH1@chico.acc.iit.edu (USERS) Subject: Re: > Re: > RE: 1024 x 768 video on Q800 --- adaptor pinouts In-Reply-To: Gene's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 18:06:15 GMT Organization: ILLINOIS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, CHICAGO X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 17 > This does not make sence...why would the 4FG work but the 3FGx not > work...it is the > same monitor without accucolor and digital controls...works fine at > 1024x768 with > SVGA...what's the deal....anyway you can get a SVGA 14"" with .28mm and > 1024x7 68 > for $279 at Damark...are you saing that it probably would work while a > $600 NEC won't? The 3FGx has a maximum horizontal scan rate of 49KHz, so driving it at 60.24KHz to get 1024 x 768 on the Mac is WAY BEYOND the tolerance The 4FG is spec'ed at 57KHz, so going 60.24KHz is only 5-6% above the minimally guaranteed figure. I too doubt if the Damark monitor would sync to a Mac at 1024 x 768. Like most things, you get what you pay. That's the deal. -John Rutirasiri. P.S. I wouldn't have posted if I wasn't sure. ";-1;0 "From: c23reg@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Ron Gaskins) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim Originator: c23reg@koptsw21 Keywords: Dimmer switch location (repost) Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr8.233443.22590@exu.ericsson.se>, exulox@exu.ericsson.se (Lasse Ohlsson, T/TDT, 1129) writes: > In article 23250@cas.org, sdm24@cas.org () writes: > >IMHO, the dumbest thing we *ever* did in copying the Japanese was moving the > >dimmer switch from the floor to the lever controlling the turn signal/cruise The federal government has mandated that all passenger cars by model year '95 return to the floor mounted dimmer switch. A study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has found that an unacceptable percentage of after dusk collisions were the direct result of unskilled drivers getting their left foot stuck in the steering wheel :-) -- Ron Gaskins c23reg@koptsw21.delcoelect.com Automotive Electronic Systems Delco Electronics GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 -- Ron Gaskins c23reg@koptsw21.delcoelect.com Automotive Electronic Systems Delco Electronics GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 ";-1;0 "From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Re: Opinions asked about rejection Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 23 Here's how I talk to non-Christians who are complaining about Hell. ME: ""Do you believe you're going to Heaven?"" HIM: ""I don't believe in Heaven."" ME: ""So are you going there?"" HIM: ""If there was a heaven, I would."" ME: ""But since there isn't a Heaven, you're not going there, are you?"" HIM: ""No."" The point is that Heaven is based on faith--if you don't believe in heaven, there's no way you're going to be in it. Of course, the next step is, ""I don't believe in Hell either, so why will I be there?"" It seems to me that Hell is eternal death and seperation from God. Most atheists do believe that when they die they will die forever, and never see God--so they do, in fact, believe that they're going to Hell. Hell doesn't have to be worse than earth to be Hell--because it's eternal, and it's a lot worse than Heaven. That's the only comparison that matters. Alan Terlep ""Incestuous vituperousness"" Oakland University, Rochester, MI atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen Rushing in where angels fear to tread. ";-1;0 "From: smith@pell.anu.edu.au (Michael Smith) Subject: Re: Desktop rebuild and Datadesk keyboard? Organization: Australian National University Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.22.65 In-reply-to: mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu's message of 15 Apr 1993 19:35:58 -0400 My Datadesk Mac 101E keyboard has similar problems. I have found that holding down the RIGHT-HAND shift key at startup will work (disable extensions), but the left-hand shift key won't (which is unfortunate, since the left one is the one I instinctively reach for). Similarly, I have trained myself to hold down the RIGHT-HAND pair of command-option for desktop rebuilds. I *is* irritating. Cheers, Michael. -- ----------------------------/|-|--|-|--|------Michael-Smith------------------- smith@pell.anu.edu.au /_| |\ | | | Mathematics Research Section --------------------------/--|-|-\|-|_/|------Australian-National-University-- ";-1;0 "From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++ Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: relva.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 14 In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: |> |> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about |> it! |> |> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net. That's 825 miles |> according to my odometer! |> mark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in massachusetts (or was it connecticut?). axel ";-1;0 "From: brownli@ohsu.edu@ohsu.edu (Liane Brown) Subject: CHRIST, MY ADVOCATE - A Poem Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 44 _MY ADVOCATE_ I sinned. And straightway, posthaste, Satan flew Before the presence of the Most High God And made a railing accusation there. He said, ""This soul, this thing of clay and sod, Has sinned. 'Tis true that he has named Thy name; But I demand his death, for Thou hast said, 'The soul that sinneth, it shall die.' Shall not Thy sentence be fulfilled? Is justice dead? Send now this wretched sinner to his doom! What other thing can righteous ruler do?"" Thus Satan did accuse me day and night; And every word he spoke, O God, was true! Then quickly One rose up from God's right hand, Before whose glory angels veiled their eyes; He spoke, ""Each jot and tittle of the law Must be fulfilled; the guilty sinner dies! But wait -- suppose his guilt were all transferred To Me and that I paid his penalty! Behold My hands, My side, My feet! One day I was made sin for him and died that he Might be presented, faultless, at Thy throne!"" And Satan flew away. Full well he knew That he could not prevail against such love, for every word my dear Lord spoke was true! by Martha Snell Nicholson +++++++++++++++++++++++ I heard this poem read last night and wanted to share it with other subscribers of this newsgroup. It's such a wonderful blessing to see how secure our salvation is because the Lord Jesus paid for what He did not owe because we had a debt which we were not capable to pay. Thanks and praise be to the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is seated at the right hand of the Majesty on High, making intercession for us. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Liane Brown (Internet) brownli@ohsu.edu ";-1;0 "From: mori@volga.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (Tsuyoshi Mori) Subject: I want use DeskJet on System7 Organization: FUJITSU.Ltd., Kawasaki, Japan. Lines: 15 Distribution: comp NNTP-Posting-Host: ceres.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp I used HP DeskJet with Orange Micros Grappler LS on System6.0.5. But now I update system 6.0.5 to System7 with Kanji-Talk 7.1, then I can not print by my DeskJet. Is the Grappler LS old ? Can I use DeskJet on System7 ? Please tell me how to use DeskJet on System7. Thank you -- FROM JAPAN mori@volga.mfd.cs.fujitsu.co.jp ";-1;0 "From: csk@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Chuck Kuczaj) Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18 Organization: Loral Western Development Labs Lines: 26 mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes: >Don't you just hate when the speedo and tach on your >bike start to cloud over from all that nasty sunshine? >The detailing tip of the week is to use rubbing compound. >Moisten a rag, apply some rubbing compound and work into the >translucent, previously transparent, material. After a few >minutes of working on the plastic face, the dial, or plastic >face will be clear once more. Will not work for glass. >-- >BTW. I am not responsible for damages incurred when using > the above method. Most models can use the treatment > safely. >============================================================================= >= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733= >= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre = >= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) | mbeaving@bnr.ca = >============================================================================= McGuire's makes a plastic scratch/removing compound and a plastic polishing compound which really work great as well. ";7;1 "From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Distribution: usa Lines: 24 As quoted from <1993Apr17.025258.7013@microsoft.com> by anthonyf@microsoft.com (Anthony Francisco): > cmort: > | If anybody wanted proof of the nonsense of the ""you can't build guns"" claim, > | they need look no farther than the Philippines. Amateur gunsmiths there > | regularly produce everything from .45 automatics to full auto shotguns. Now > | if this guy wants to claim that the Philippines is either technologically > | superior to the US or that their transportation is better than ours, all I > | can say is that he's living in a fantasy world. > > Unfortunately a few of those .45s blow up in your hands. That's life. First you marry Imelda Marcos, then you die! :) > On the other hand, my compatriots built an excellent copy of a Beretta that > I enjoyed using when I lived in the Philippines. Hmmmm. And that's the HARD stuff to copy! -- =================================================================== ""You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas"" - Holly Silva ";-1;0 "From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 46 hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: >In article <1993Apr5.202800.27705@wam.umd.edu>, spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes: >|> In article ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA >|> (Ilyess Bdira) writes: >|> > > 1)why do jews who don't even believe in God (as is the case with many >|> > of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more >|> > than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land? >|> G-d has nothing to do with it. Some of the land was in fact given to the >|> Jews by the United Nations, quite a bit of it was purchased from Arab >|> absentee landlords. Present claims are based on prior ownership (purchase >|> from aforementioned absentee landlords) award by the United Nations in the >|> partition of the Palestine mandate territory, and as the result of >|> defensive wars fought against the Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, et al. >|> >|> *** >|> > 2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of >|> > the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel? >|> First, I should point out that many Jews do not in fact agree with the >|> idea that the West Bank is theirs. Since, however, I agree with those who >|> claim the West Bank, I think I can answer your question thusly: the West >|> bank was what is called the spoils of war. Hussein ordered the Arab Legion > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >This is very funny. >Anyway, suppose that in fact israel didnot ATTACK jordan till jordan attacked >israel. Now, how do you explain the attack on Syria in 1967, Syria didnot >enter the war with israel till the 4th day . Syria had been bombing Israeli settlements from the Golan and sending terrorist squads into Israel for years. Do you need me to provide specifics? I can. Why don't you give it up, Hasan? I'm really starting to get tired of your empty lies. You can defend your position and ideology with documented facts and arguments rather than the crap you regularly post. Take an example from someone like Brendan McKay, with whom I don't agree, but who uses logic and documentation to argue his position. Why must you insist on constantly spouting baseless lies? You may piss some people off, but that's about it. You won't prove anything or add anything worthy to a discussion. Your arguments just prove what a poor debater you are and how weak your case really is. All my love, Ed. ";15;1 "From: MANDTBACKA@finabo.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. Lines: 12 In jprzybyl@skidmore.edu writes: > I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? He's a > MAJOR brother in Christ now. He totally changed his life around, and Why should he have been any different ""then""? Ozzy Osbourne, ex-singer and main character of the Black Sabbath of good ole days past, is and always was a devout catholic. Or so I've heard over on the alt.rock-n-roll.metal newsgroups, an' I figure those folks oughta know.. -- Disclaimer? ""It's great to be young and insane!"" ";-1;0 "From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18 Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 72 Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes: > What's going on? The Russians and the Czechs are unable to beat easy >opponents, and the Swedes beat Austria only 1:0?!? > It's the ""opening-game effect"" maybe. Pros arrive late, nervousness for rookie WC players, and problems to get the lines clicking may make things hard to get it going against these ""worse"" nations. I'd guess that the better team you face in the opening game, the better it is, since the chances of an upset are greater then. Some other reasons why the ""worse"" teams are so tough to beat was presented by Hans ""Virus"" Lindberg (former coach in Switzerland). 1) The ""worse"" teams (referring to France, Switzerland, Austria, Italy etc) have now usually world class goalies. 2) Their defensive play have become much more disciplined, they take much less unnecessary penalties. 3) They use four lines which makes it harder to make them ""run out of gas."" 4) The ice quality in the German WC rinks is poor. > The only convincing winner was... Germany. Wierd. > Another weird thing was that the Czechs played entertaining hockey.. err.. just kidding, David. >p.s. Alex, I would like to see the Czech roster, including, if possible, >the clubs from which the players come. How many are ""Finnish"", ""German"", >or ""Swiss""? > Alex? That's a new name for me ;) OK, I forgot the Czech roster at home yesterday, but now I have it. I don't know the teams for all players, so I would appreciate if you guys could fill in the blanks for me (especially I think some of these players play in Finland). The Czech Republic ------------------ Goaltenders: 1. Petr Briza (Finland somewhere, right?) 2. Roman Turek Motor C. Budejovice Defense: 3. Leo Gudas ? 4. Milos Holan TJ Vitkovice 5. Drahomir Kadlec ? 6. Bedrich Scerban Brynas, Sweden 7. Antonin Stavjana HV 71, Sweden 8. Miroslav Horava MoDo, Sweden 9. Ales Flasar TJ Vitkovice Forwards: 10. Petr Rosol ? 12. Kamil Kastak HV 71, Sweden 13. Richard Zemlicka ? 14. Jiri Kucera ? 16. Jan Caloun HC Litvinov 18. Petr Hrbek ? 19. Tomas Kapusta ? 20. Otakar Janecky (Finland?) 21. Roman Horak Motor C. Budejovice 22. Martin Hostak MoDo, Sweden 24. Radek Toupal ? 26. Jiri Dolezal ? Staffan -- ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey ";-1;0 "From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) Subject: Re: Save my hard disk?! (allocation error, cross-linked) Organization: Vpnet Public Access Lines: 137 Brad Banko writes: >While running the MS Quick C compiler in a DOS window under Windows 3.1 >this evening, I got a ""program has violated system integrity... close all >applications, exit windows and restart your computer"" error. Gawd, I love Windows :-) >1) Is there an easy way to restore everything to working order? >What might be some better approaches? You'll probably want to delete any damaged executables and reload them fresh. Data files should be examined and repaired. >2) What might have caused this? Does the SMARTDRV cache make me more >vulnerable? (I'm suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they >cache data writing.) You're not stupid. Smartdrive caches things, and Windows also runs a swap file which may contain data also. All of this is pretty risky stuff in a PC environment. >The straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the /f option to >fix the disk and then it looks like I would probably have to reinstall Windows >and a few other things. A reasonably accurate prediction... Here's a brief description of how DOS stores files: There are three pieces to a file. The directory entry, the FAT chain, and the data area. You can think of these as a sheet of lined notebook paper, a sheet of graph paper, and a stack of 3X5 cards. The directory entry (notebook paper) holds the file name, actual size, and first cluster number. It also holds some other information that's not important right now. The File Allocation Table (FAT) chain (graph paper) tells where to find the actual data. Each square of graph paper holds a number. If the number is zero, the cluster associated with this box is available. If it holds a ""magic"" number, it is either the last piece of a file or a bad (unuseable) spot on the disk. Any other number tells which cluster contains the next section of the file. The data area (3X5 cards) is where the actual information is stored. The data area is organized as clusters of a fixed size; storage is doled out in ""chunks"" of one cluster each. (In your case, one cluster is 2048 bytes.) As a cluster is filled, another is allocated. To read a file, you first look at the directory entry to get the starting cluster number. Now you read the data from that cluster. Next, look at the FAT entry for the cluster you just read. This will tell you the cluster number for the next chunk of the file. Naturally, these numbers are usually sequential, but they can jump around and even go backwards. Continue reading, one cluster at a time, as you walk this chain through the FAT, until you hit the marker which says it's the last cluster in the file. CHKDSK is the DOS utility that checks the sanity and coherence of the directories and the FAT and can bludgeon most flaws into submission. It doesn't have any intelligence, so you have to double-check anything it ""fixes"". Now let's do a bit of a post-mortem: >C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE >C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.TXT >C:\GFX\VPIC46\VIDEO7.CFG >C:\GFX\VPIC46\ORCPRO2.CFG >C:\GFX\VPIC46\VGA.CFG >C:\GAME\GOOSE\BIRD2.X >C:\WINMISC\ADV21\WINADV.EXE > Allocation error, size adjusted All of these files have sizes (according to the FAT) which don't match the size reported in their directory entries. CHKDSK /F will alter the directory entries to match the FAT size. (In other words, the directory entry for CVPIC.EXE may say the file is 64,877 bytes long. But CHKDSK found a FAT chain of 43 clusters attached to it. (My numbers, obviously, are made up.)) > 316 lost allocation units found in 224 chains. > 647168 bytes disk space would be freed Disk space was found which is allocated in the FAT, but is not attached to any directory entry. CHKDSK /F gives you the option of converting these ""lost chains"" to files. You can then examine the files (FILE0000.CHK through FILE0223.CHK) and rename or discard them. Or, if you tell CHKDSK _not_ to convert them to files, then those clusters will simply be marked ""available"" in the FAT. >C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE > Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 ... >C:\386SPART.PAR > Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 These files are both referencing the _same_ data cluster. Obviously, one of them (at least) must be wrong. It's interesting to note that C:\386SPART.PAR is your Windows swap file... To fix this, you should copy each cross-linked file to a new name. This will ""fix"" the cross-link by giving the files unique data spaces. Now delete the cross-linked files. Examine the copies and try to assemble them properly. Good luck. (Hint: ""Missing pieces"" are likely to be found in those ""lost chains"" at the top...) > 42366976 bytes total disk space > 3958784 bytes in 4 hidden files > 153600 bytes in 67 directories > 36042752 bytes in 1496 user files > 1564672 bytes available on disk Your disk is pretty close to full. This may be the actual cause of the problem; perhaps Windows needed to expand its swapfile by an amount which exceeded available disk space... In any case, the short summary is that something trashed your FAT. There are utilities that can mirror your FAT and help repair damage after something like this, but you have to run them _before_ the problem occurs. Sorry. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd! -- ---------------------------------------------------- Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd! ";-1;0 "From: renggli@masg1.epfl.ch (loris renggli) Subject: Need graph display/edit Organization: Math. Dept., Swiss Institute of Technology Lines: 17 I am looking for a program that is capable of displaying a graph with nodes and links and with the possibility to edit interactively the graph : add one node, change one link etc... Actually, a very _simple_ X11 program would be ok; all I need is to put some ""boxes"" (i.e. the nodes ) on a pane and be able to manipulate them with the mouse (move, add or delete boxes). Does anyone know if such program is available ? Thanks for any help !! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Loris RENGGLI phone : +41-21-6934230 Swiss Federal Institute of Technology fax : +41-21-6934303 Math. Dept CH-1015 Lausanne (Switzerland) e-mail : renggli@masg1.epfl.ch ";-1;0 "From: f0975893@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu Subject: Re: Educational Pricing Article-I.D.: jaguar.1993Apr15.134938.1 Organization: Washington State University Lines: 27 In article , hayes@ug.cs.dal.ca (Kevin B. Hayes) writes: >>you can find retail that is within the price of a keyboard of educational >>prices. I would be very wary of retail outlets selling as cheap as educational prices! I went for a retailer, actually mail order (CDA computers), because its price was better thant the campus computer store. I found out why later on when I tried to get a repair done at an Apple registered repair center - the CPU was a resale. The serial number had been removed and replaced with a non-standard number (probably from CDA computers). Consequently, the Apple repair man could not do ANY warrenty repairs. So I ended up with just a 90day warrenty from CDA over the Apple 12month warrenty. Boy, was I pi**ed! Moral of the story, CAVEAT EMPTOR. However, if you go with a reliable, trustworthy mail order firm (if they exist - maybe someone could enlighten us with their experiences), you will probably get a better price than your local educational outlet simply because mail order out of state does not REQUIRE sales tax yet. Though for how much longer remains to be seen. The addition in sales tax on a CPU purchase will probably wipe out an educational discount. Again CAVEAT EMPTOR, some mail order companies DO include sales tax on purchases even if they are out of state, so check! Richard. \\\\/ Richard J Appleyard f0975893@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu /o o\ Washington State University ( ) ) Voice (509) 335-7728 Fax (509) 335-9688 \_o_/ ""To err is human, but to really screw things up takes a computer!"" ";-1;0 "From: dchurch@nmt.edu (Dan Church) Subject: *** Lots of CDs For Sale! *** Article-I.D.: nmt.1993Apr19.213217.15250 Distribution: na Organization: New Mexico Tech Lines: 43 I have a lot of CDs for sale. Prices are $7 per CD and $3 per CD Single. CDs are noted by (CD) and CD Singles by (CDS). Please include $1 extra per CD for s/h costs. IF you want to buy a lot of them, then we'll work out a deal with the shipping costs! Type Group Title --------------------------------------------- CDS Boys to Men Motown Philly CDS C & C Music Factory Keep it Comin' CDS Moby Go (Remixes) CDS Quadrophonia Schizophrenia CDS Swing Out Sister Not Gonna Change CDS Recoil Faith Healer CDS Seal The Beginning CDS Transvision Vamp Tranvision Vamp CDS C & C Music Factory Gonna Make U Sweat CDS Nitzer Ebb Godhead CDS Roxette How Do You Do! CDS B-52's Good Stuff CDS Duran Duran Violence of Summer CDS Nitzer Ebb AS IS CDS Vanessa Williams Running Back to You CD Seal SEAL CD LFO Frequencies CD Morissey Kill Uncle CD Underworld Change the Weather CD Jody Watley You Wanna Dance With Me? CD Dead or Alive Fan the Flame CD Transvision Vamp Velveteen CD Adam Ant Manners & Physique CD Fine Young Cannibals The Raw & the Remix CD Black Box Dreamland CD Civilles & Cole Greatest Remixes Vol. 1 CD Black Box Mixed Up! CD Scorpions The Best of Rockers & Ballads CD A & M Underground Dance Jam Harder -- Dan Church | Quote -> ""Only God can make a tree, but it took a man Box 3268 CS | <- Mail to invent dwarf tossing!"" Socorro, NM 87801 | Email -> dchurch@nmt.edu - E. Hobbs ";8;1 "From: wl@cypress.com (Wilbur Luo/COMM) Subject: Heard of these South Bay shops? Originator: wl@coast Nntp-Posting-Host: coast Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Distribution: ba Lines: 13 I need to bring on my VW Corrado for body work (I got hit). I was wondering if anyone has heard of any of these South Bay body shops: Akins Collision Center of Santa Clara - on Reed St Auto West Collision - in San Jose Los Gatos Acura Royal Auto Body - in Sunnyvale Thanks! -W ";-1;0 "From: murli@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu ( murli ramakrishnan ISE ) Subject: Zeos daughterboard of Upgradeable 386/25 for sale/trade Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio Lines: 15 Hi folks, I have a 386/25 daughter board for Zeos, which I want to upgrade to 486/25 or 33. So send me mail with you offer if you are 1. Selling 486/25 or 486/33 (zeos daughterboard) 2. Willing to buy my 386/25 (zeos daughterboard) Thanks.. Murli -- ________________________________________________________________ Murli Ram murli@cubix.ent.ohiou.edu(NeXT Mail) Ohio University murli@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu Athens__________________________________________________________ ";8;1 "From: joel@zodiac.z-code.COM (Joel Reymont) Subject: Xsun not finding default font (Sol2.1) Organization: The Internet Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Hi, netters! I've just built X11R5 pl 21 under Solaris 2.1. I've used the multi-screen patch, as well as the R5.SunOS... patch and everything builds great, except for that error message Xsun gives me upon startup. It says: ""Cannot set default font path '[stuff deleted]'"" and ""Cannot set default font 'fixed'"". If I supply the -fp option, it doesn't complain about the font path but still complains about the font. I have symlinks from /usr/lib/ to the place where my distribution lives. Could somebody help me? -joel -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Reymont ! Z-Code Software Corporation ! e-mail: joel@z-code.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4340 Redwood Hwy, Suit B.50, San Rafael, CA 94903 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) Subject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 12 zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig ""Powderkeg"" DeForest) writes: >If you're planning on making long drives, the 20W50 is probably fine >(esp. in the summer) in your 10W40 car. But if you're making short drives, >stick to the 10W40. Several years ago GM was having trouble with the rings sticking on the 5.7 diesel. They traced a cause to the use of 10W-40 oil. They would not honor warranty work if 10W-40 was used (if my memory serves me). 5-30, 10-30 or 20 50 was OK'd though. Mark B. ";-1;0 "From: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle) Subject: Re: tvtwm & xsetroot, X11R5 and SPARCstation 10 keyboard Organization: Personal Usenet site, Tujunga, CA USA Lines: 89 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: isolar.tujunga.ca.us In article <1r1q5g$cv4@genesis.ait.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes: >In article D.Haywood@sheffield-hallam.ac.uk writes: >> Environment: Sun SPARC 10, SunOs 4.1.3. X11R5 patch level 23. My X >>process is started by xdm. > >Okay, that's good. I'm typing this from exactly the same setup. >(US-UNIX layout keyboard) I did install the sunkbd patch, though. ... >> ii) When I open an Xterm on the Sparc 10, not all of the keys are recognised >> and some keys on the keyboard are not sending the correct characters. > >Did you install the sunkbd patch? It's in the contrib directory on export. >All the keys on my keyboard send events properly, except the following: >The End, PageUp, PageDown on the 6-key cluster aren't recognized. >Even the compose key works. (Though I can't seem to get the composed >characters in an xterm to get passed.) > >Anyone have a fix for the last two? I don't know anything about a ""sunkbd"" patch, but I use the following .Xmodmap file (run from .xinitrc via ""xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap"", of course) for my Type-5 UNIX keyboard: (It's a bit ""brute force"", however.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ! ! Sun Type-5 UNIX keyboard remappings ! ! This remaps the arrow keys properly ! ! By default, the arrow keys on the keypad (Shift-8 = Up, Shift-4 = Left, ! Shift-6 = Right, and Shift-2 = Down) work, but the arrow keys are not ! assigned to any keysym ! keycode 27 = Up keycode 31 = Left keycode 34 = Down keycode 35 = Right ! ! Now we want the Back Space key to emit the ""Delete"" keysym ! keycode 50 = Delete ! ! Other random mappings that aren't on by default ! ! SysRq/Print Screen key keycode 29 = SunSys_Req Print ! Break/Pause key keycode 28 = Break Pause ! Alt Graph key keycode 20 = Mode_switch ! PageUp key keycode 103 = Prior ! PageDown key keycode 130 = Next ! Insert key keycode 51 = Insert ! ! Home, End keys = ??? ! ! Open Look Functions ! ! Stop key (SunStop keysym == Cancel) keycode 8 = SunStop ! Again key (SunAgain == Redo) keycode 10 = SunAgain ! Props key keycode 32 = SunProps ! Undo key (SunUndo == Undo) keycode 33 = SunUndo ! Front key keycode 56 = SunFront ! Copy key keycode 58 = SunCopy ! Open key keycode 79 = SunOpen ! Paste key keycode 80 = SunPaste ! Find key (SunFind == Find) keycode 102 = SunFind ! Cut key keycode 104 = SunCut -- - Greg Earle Phone: (818) 353-8695 FAX: (818) 353-1877 Internet: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US UUCP: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV a.k.a. ...!elroy!isolar!earle ";-1;0 "From: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Originator: storrs@c20002-121rd.che.ncsu.edu Keywords: brick, rock, danger, gun, violent, teenagers Reply-To: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 97 In article <19APR199316162857@erich.triumf.ca>, music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes: |>Xref: taco alt.parents-teens:1937 rec.autos:101669 |>Path: taco!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!erich.triumf.ca!music |>From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) |>Newsgroups: alt.parents-teens,rec.autos |>Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... |>Date: 19 Apr 1993 16:16 PST |>Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility |>Lines: 52 |>Distribution: world |>Message-ID: <19APR199316162857@erich.triumf.ca> |>References: <18APR199309481599@erich.triumf.ca> <1qs4a9$f87@bigboote.WPI.EDU> |>NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca |>Summary: Violent Teenagers and victims need help. |>Keywords: brick, rock, danger, gun, violent, teenagers |>News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 |> |>In article , jrowell@ssd.intel.com (Janet Rowell) |> writes... |>#>Could we plase cease this discussion. I fail to see why people feel the need |>#>to expound upon this issue for days and days on end. These areas are not |>#> meant for this type of discussion. If you feel the need to do such things, |>#> please take your thought elsewhere. Thanks. |># |>#I just want to second this request. I value this net group as one where people |>#focus on solving problems and go out of their way to be respectful of |>#differences. The hostility expressed in the original posting feels like an |>#assault. |># |>#Thanks, |>#Jan |># |> |> Exactly my point. There is a lot of hostility to, and from, teenagers. |> |> Look, I sent these posts here to alt.parents-teens (with a copy to |> rec.autos) since you people in this group may have the best advice for |> and experience with troubled teenagers. |> |> If you follow the news for the northwest USA, you will have heard that a |> group of 20-year old boys (barely out of the teens, certainly their outlook |> was developed during their teens) just shot and killed an innocent little |> girl riding in a car in the Seattle area when her mother (who was driving) |> honked her horn at the car with the boys in it. This is really upsetting |> and makes my stomach turn as it would any parent's. Doesn't your heart |> just go out to that poor mother? |> Yes, Fred, my heart and prayers go out to the mother and others who have been victims of these and other senseless crimes. |> You folks in this group have a responsibility to offer any good advice |> that you may have. I suspect lots of people all over the world will read |> and appreciate your comments. |> However, I feel that you have missed the point of the previous postings (see top). Your statement of 'responsibility' is felt as an attack towards the members of this group. You are attempting to make the members of this group be REQUIRED to answer. The only people who should make a statement are people who have experienced the problem and found a workable solution. |> Teenagers both drive cars and are involved in automotive vandalism and |> crime. Maybe someone on this newsgroup has had specific experience in |> dealing with violent teenage offenders like these kids are. At the same |> time, maybe you would have some good advice for those hostile people who |> sense that are now the potential victims. Maybe you would have some good |> advice for them on how not to pay back and/or not make the situation worse. |> Maybe you have some good advice for local authorities or schools where |> this problem is prevalent. But then again, maybe you're not interested. :-( Many people are interested, but have no input. I will restate that your last sentence here is seen as an attack on the members of this group. If people have input, they will give it. If they do not, YOU should not make them feel compelled (sp?) to respond. If you wish to continue this conversation, PLEASE send e-mail. DO NOT repost or attempt to bait me, I will not make another post (and may I make the same a suggestion to other group members) on this matter. |> |> Thanks in advance for your help, if we get any. |> BTW, your welcome. -- =============================================================================== Jerry L. Storrs, System/Network Manager || ...""Why do you look for the living Dept of Chemical Engineering, NCSU || among the dead? He is not here, storrs@che.ncsu.edu (preferred) || He is risen!"" storrs@eos.ncsu.edu || ^^^^^^^^^^^ Luke 24:5-6 <>< || THE LORD IS RISEN INDEED!! =============================================================================== Any statement made is the explicit belief of the writer and not the employer. ";-1;0 "Subject: 20"" Color TV San Diego From: louis@netlink.cts.com (Louis Cornelio) Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA Lines: 23 ========== 20"" COLOR TV ============= San Diego Mesa College Area Emerson M20R w/ ""high-tech"" square screen BEST PRICE YOU features: timer/sleep feature for auto- shut on/off CAN FIND FOR A fully cable ready w/ all coaxial video audio jacks 20-INCH COLOR TV MTS (multichannel sound jack) for processing stereo or bilingual channels $ 170.00 FIRM 19 key remote includes review, recall, sleep features ============================================== tel 619-278-8779 please reply to lcornel@eis.calstate.edu for fastest response! -Louis -- //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Louis Cornelio GEnie:L.Cornelio ""The better the technology, | | louis@netlink.cts.com the less efficient the human use of it."" | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\////////////////////////////////////// ";8;1 "From: rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com (rodney jacks) Subject: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.8.248.12 Organization: Motorola Inc, Austin, Texas Lines: 12 I would really like to get one of the new CD300i CDROM drives for my c650, but my local Apple doesn't know when they will be available. He doesn't even have a part number yet. Does anyone know what the part number for this drive is and when it will be available? My Apple dealer suggested I buy one of the CD300 external drives, but I don't want to pay extra for a case/power supply I'm not going to use. -Rodney Jacks (rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com) ";-1;0 "From: jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) Subject: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: Drexel University, College of Engineering, Philadelphia, PA Lines: 8 Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used to compute sunrise and sunset times. I would appreciate any advice. Joe Wetstein jpw@coe.drexel.edu ";2;1 "From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) Subject: Re: April 1( was Re: FAQ - What is the DoD?) Expires: 30 Apr 93 05:00:00 GMT Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma. Lines: 31 In article <9901221@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes: >In rec.motorcycles, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: > >> Last year, I believe it was, Jeff Deeney posted what I've since come to >> recognize as the ultimate April Fools posting ever. It wasn't particularly >> nice of him, as several people were quite fooled and very worried about >> him, but I can't fault the effectiveness. > >Based on numerous inputs (most of them unprintable), I deemed it time for a >kinder, gentler, April 1. Not that I didn't have something really sick and >twisted ready to post :-) Perhaps next year. Personally, I think Jeffy-Poo was still smarting more from the third degree burns he suffered after April 1st last year rather than the supposed burns that he suffered in ""the joke"". Granted I was one of those people that were taken in by it and I was certainly concerned...and then pissed at him for pulling such a thing (which I made known to him). But then again, for an April Fool ""joke"" I would also go on record as saying that it was the best orchestrated one I've ever seen and it certainly sucked a LOT of people into believing it 8-( 8-| 8-\ 8-)... ""sick"" - ""twisted""??? Who in this group could ever be accused of such a thing? I tip my twisted lid to thee Jeffy 8-). Rich Bemben - DoD #0044 rbemben@timewarp.prime.com 1977 750 Triumph Bonneville (617) 275-1800 x 4173 ""Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect us from the evil men do in the name of good"" ";-1;0 "From: C.H.A.Wong@bradford.ac.uk (CHA WONG) Subject: How can you see the launch of the Space Shuttle ? Organization: University of Bradford, UK Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Sorry for asking a question that's not entirely based on the technical aspects of space, but I couldn't find the answer on the FAQs ! I'm currently in the UK, which makes seeing a Space Shuttle launch a little difficult..... However, I have been selected to be an exchange student at Louisiana State Uni. from August, and I am absolutely determined to get to see a Space Shuttle launch sometime during the year at which I will be in America. I hear there's a bit of a long mailing list, so if someone can tell me how to get tickets and where to get them from, then please E-mail me ! Thanks very much for your patience.... (And if anyone else wants to know, tell me and I'll summarize for you - just to save all those poor people who have to pay for their links !) -- =============================== April is the cruellest month Andrew Wong \ Mixing memory and desire -----x----- \ E-mail:C.H.A.Wong@bradford.ac.uk \ T.S.Eliot - The Wasteland 1918 ";-1;0 "From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox? Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Lines: 24 In ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi) writes: >>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has, >>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT? That way, next time some guy comes up >>to me in some parking lot and sez ""hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox >>frame on there?"" I can say something besides ""duh, er, huh?"" I beleive it's called the ""Dentabox"" frame. Nothing some putty and paint won't fix. __ Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who Arch. & Eng. Services |""Lost Horizons"" CR500 | I think I am. UManitoba, Man. Ca. |""The Embalmer"" IT175 | - anonymous --Squidonk-- ";-1;0 "From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG) Summary: Warning, lots of words in typical Phlegmatic fashion Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 447 GREAT post Martin. Very informative, well-balanced, and humanitarian without neglecting the need for scientific rigor. (Cross-posted to alt.psychology.personality since some personality typing will be discussed at the beginning - Note: I've set all followups to sci.med since most of my comments are more sci.med oriented and I'm sure most of the replies, if any, will be med-related.) In article banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu writes: >I can not believe the way this thread on candida(yeast) has progressed. >Steve Dyer and I have been exchanging words over the same topic in Sci. >Med. Nutrition when he displayed his typical reserve and attacked a woman >poster for being treated by a licenced physician for a disease that did >not exist. Calling this physician a quack was reprehensible, Steve, and I >see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well. They are just responding in their natural way: Hyper-Choleric Syndrome (HCS). Oops, that is not a recognized ""illness"" in the psychological community, better not say that since it therefore must not, and never will, exist. :^) Actually, it is fascinating that a disproportionate number of physicians will type out as NT (for those not familiar with the Myers-Briggs system, just e-mail me and I'll send a summary file to you). In the general population, NT's comprise only about 12% of the population, but among physicians it is much much higher (I don't know the exact percentage - any help here a.p.p.er's?) One driving characteristic of an NT, especially an NTJ, is their obvious choleric behavior (driver, type A, etc.) - the extreme emotional need to control, to lead, and/or to be the best or the most competent. If they are also extroverted, they are best described as ""Field Marshalls"". This trait is very valuable and essential in our society - we need people who want to lead, to strive to overcome the elements, to seek and thirst for knowledge, to raise the level of competency, etc. The great successes in science and technology are in large part due to the vision (an N trait) and scientifically- minded approach (T trait) of the NT personality (of course, the other types and temperaments have their own positive contributions as well). However, when the NT person has self-image challenges, the ""dark-side"" of this personality type usually comes out, which should be obvious to all. A physician who is a strong NT and who has not learned to temper their temperament will be extremely business-like (lack of empathy or feeling), and is very compelled to have total control over their patient (the patient must be obedient to their diagnosis and prescription without question). I've known many M.D.'s of this temperament and suffice to say I don't oblige them with a followup visit, no matter how competent I think they are (and they usually are very competent from a knowledge viewpoint since that is an extreme drive of theirs - to know the most, to know it all). Maybe we need more NF doctor's. :^) Enough on this subject - let's move on to candida bloom. >Let me tell you who the quacks really are, these are the physicans who have >no idea how the human body interacts with it's environment and how that >balance can be altered by diet and antibiotics... Could it just be >professional jealousy? I couldn't help Elaine or Jon but somebody else did. You've helped me already by your post. Of course, I believe that I have been misdiagnosed on the net as suffering from 'anal retentivitis', but being the phlegmatic I am, maybe I was just a little too harsh on a few people myself in past posts. Let's all try to raise the level of this discussion above the level of anal effluent. >...Humans have all >kinds of different organisms living in the GI system (mouth, stomach, small >and large intestine), sinuses, vagina and on the skin. These are >nonpathogenic because they do not cause disease in people unless the immune >system is compromised. They are also called nonpathogens because unlike >the pathogenic organisms that cause human disease, they do not produce >toxins as they live out their merry existence in and on our body. But any of >these organisms will be considered pathogenic if it manages to take up >residence within the body. A poor mucus membrane barrier can let this >happen and vitamin A is mainly responsible for setting up this barrier. In my well-described situation (in prior posts), I definitely was immune stressed. Blood tests showed my vitamin A levels were very low. My sinuses were a mess - no doubt the mucosal lining and the cilia were heavily damaged. I also was on antibiotics 15 times in 4 years! In the end, even two weeks of Ceftin did not work and I had confirmed diagnoses of a chronic bacterial infection of the sinuses via cat-scans, mucus color (won't get into the details), and other symptoms. Three very traditional ENT's made this diagnosis (I did not have any cultures done, however, because of the difficulty of doing this right and because my other symptoms clearly showed a bacterial infection). Enough of this background (provided to help you understand where I was when I make comments about my Sporanox anti-fungal therapy below). The first question I have is this. Can fungus penetrate a little way into poor mucus membrane tissue, maybe via hyphae, thus causing symptoms, without being considered 'systemic' in the classic sense? It is sort of an inbetween infection. >Steve got real upset with Elaine's doctor because he was using anti-fungals >and vitamin A for her GI problems. If Steve really understoood what >vitamin A does in the body, he would not(or at least should not) be calling >Elaine's doctor a quack. I was concerned, too, because of the toxicity of vitamin A. My doctor, after my blood tests, put me on 75,000 IU of vitamin A for one week only, then dropped it down to 25,000 IU for the next couple of weeks. I also received zinc and other supplementation, since all of these interrelate in fairly complex ways as my doctor explained (he's one of those 'evil' orthomolecular specialists). I had a blood test three weeks later and vitamin A was normal, he then stopped me on all vitamin A (except for some in a multi-vitamin) supplement), and made sure that I maintain a 50,000 IU/day of beta carotene. Call me carrot face. :^) Hopefully, Elaine's doctor will take a similar, careful approach and to all supplements. I'm even reevaluating some supplements I'm taking, for example, niacin in fairly large dosages, 1 gram/day, which Steve Dyer had good information about on sci.med.nutrition. If niacin only has second-order improvement in symptomatic relief of my sinus allergies, then it probably is not worth taking such a large dose long-term and risking liver damage. >survives. If it gets access to a lot of glucose, it blooms and over rides >the other organisms living with it in the sinuses, GI tract or vagina. In Though I do now believe, based on my successful therapy with Sporanox, that I definitely had some excessive growth of fungus (unknown species) in my sinuses, I still want to ask the question: have there been any studies that demonstrate candida ""blooms"" in the sinuses with associated sinus irritation (sinusitis/rhinitis)? (My sinus irritation reduced significantly after one week of Sporanox and no other new treatments were implemented during this time - I did not have any noticeable GI track problems before starting on Sporanox, but some for a few days after which then went away - considered normal). BTW, my doctor dug out one of his medical reference books (sorry, can't remember which one), and found an obscure comment dating back into the 1950's which stated that people can develop contained (non-lethal or non-serious) aspergillis infestations (aspergiliosis) of the sinuses leading to sinus inflammation symptoms. I'll have to dig out that reference again since it is relevant to this discussion. >some people do really develop a bad inflammatory process at the mucus >membrane or skin bloom site. Whether this is an allergic like reaction to >the candida or not isn't certain. My doctor tested me (I believe a RAST or RAST similar test) for allergic response to specificially Candida albicans, and I showed a strong positive. Another question, would everybody show the same strong positive so this test is essentially useless? And, assuming it is true that Candida can grow part-way into the mucus membrane tissue, and the concentration exceeds a threshold amount, could not a person who tests as having an allergy to Candida definitely develop allergic symptoms, such as mucus membrane irritation due to the body's allergic response? As I said in an earlier post, one does not need to be a rocket scientist, or have a M.D. degree or a Ph.D. in biochemistry to see the plausibility of this hypothesis. BTW, and I'll repost this again. Dr. Ivker, in his book, ""Sinus Survival"", has routinely given, before anything else, Nizoral (a pre-Sporanox systemic anti-fungal, not as safe and not as good as Sporanox) to his new chronic sinusitis patients IF they have been on antibiotics four or more times in the last two years. He claims that out of 2000 or so patients, well over 90% notice some relief of sinus inflammation and other symptoms, but it doesn't cure it by any means, implying the so-called yeast/fungus infection is not the primary cause, but a later complication. He's also found that nystatin, whether taken internally, or put into a sinus spray, does not help. This implies (of course assuming that excessive yeast/fungus bloom is aggravating the sinus inflammation) that the yeast/fungus has grown partway into the tissue since nystatin will not kill yeast/fungus other than by direct contact - it is not absorbed into the blood stream. Again, I admit, lots of 'ifs', and 'implies', which doesn't please the hard-core NT who has to have the double-blind study or it's a non-issue, but one has to start with some plausible hypothesis/explanation, a strawman, if you will. >If it's internal, only symptoms can be used and these symptoms are pretty >nondescript. This brings up an interesting observation used by those who will deny and reject any and all aspects of the 'yeast hypothesis' until the appropriate studies are done. And that is if you can't observe or culture the yeast ""bloom"" in the gut or sinus, then there's no way to diagnose or even recognize the disease. And I know they realize that it is virtually impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body. It's a real Catch-22. Another Catch-22: Those who totally reject the 'yeast hypothesis' say that no studies have been done (actually studies have been done, but if it's not up to a certain standard then it is, from their perspective, a non-study which should not even be considered). I agree that the appropriate studies should be done, and that will take big $ to do it right. However, in order to convince the funding agencies in these austere times to open their wallets, you literally have to give them evidence, and the only acceptable evidence to compete with other proposals is paradoxically to do almost the exact study needed funding. That is, you have to do 90% of the study before you even get funding (as a scientist at a National Lab, I'm very aware of this for the smaller funded projects). I'm afraid that even if Dr. Ivker and 100 other doctors got together, pooled their practice's case histories and anecdotes into a compelling picture, and approach the funding agencies, they would get nowhere, even if they were able to publish their statistical results. It is obvious from the comments by some of the doctors here is that they have *decided* excessive yeast colonization in the gut or sinuses leading to noticeable non-lethal symptoms does not exist, and is not even a tenable hypothesis, so any amount of case histories or compiled anecdotal evidence to the contrary will never change their mind, and not only that, they would also oppose the needed studies because in their minds it's a done issue - excessive yeast growth leading to diffuse allergic symptoms does not, will not, and cannot exist. Period. Kind of tough to dialog with those who hold such a viewpoint. Kind of reminds me of Lister... >Candida is kept in check in most people by the normal bacterial flora in >the sinuses, the GI tract(mouth, stomach and intestines) and in the >vaginal tract which compete with it for food. The human immune system >ususally does not bother itself with these(nonpathogenic organisms) unless >they broach the mucus membrane ""barrier"". If they do, an inflammatory >response will be set up. Most Americans are not getting enough vitamin A >from their diets. About 30% of all American's die with less Vitamin A than >they were born with(U.S. autopsy studies). While this low level of vitamin >A does not cause pathology(blindness) it does impair the mucus membrane >barrier system. This would then be a predisposing factor for a strong >inflammatory response after a candida bloom. Aren't there also other nutrients necessary to the proper working of the sinus mucus membranes and cilia? >While diabetics can suffer from a candida ""bloom"" the most common cause of >this type of bloom is the use of broad spectrum antibiotics which >knock down many different kinds of bacteria in the body and remove the main >competition for candida as far as food is concerned. While drugs are >available to handle candida, many patients find that their doctor will not >use them unless there is evidence of a systemic infection. The toxicity of >the anti-fungal drugs does warrant some caution. But if the GI or sinus >inflammation is suspected to be candida(and recent use of a broad spectrum >antibiotic is the smoking gun), then anti-fungal use should be approrpriate >just as the anti-fungal creams are an appropriate treatment for recurring >vaginal yeast infections, in spite of what Mr. Steve Dyer says. Again, the evidence from mycological studies indicate that many yeast/fungus species can grow hyphae (""roots"") into deep tissue, similar to mold growing in bread. You can continue to kill the surface, such as nystatin does, but you can't kill that which is deeper in the tissue without using a systemic anti-fungal such as itraconazole (Sporanox) or some of the older ones such as Nizoral which are more toxic and not as effective. This is why, as has been pointed out by recent studies (sent to me by a doctor I've been in e-mail contact with - thanks), that nystatin is not effective in the long- term treatment of GI tract ""candidiasis"". It's like trying to weed a garden by cutting off what's above the ground but leaving the roots ready to come out again once you walk away. The $60000 question is whether a contained candida ""bloom"" can partially grow into tissue through the mucus membranes, causing some types of symptoms in susceptible people (e.g., allergy), without becoming ""systemic"" in the classical sense of the word - something in between strictly an excessive bloom not causing any problems and the full-blown systemic infection that is potentially lethal. >In the GI system, the ano-rectal region seems to be a particularly good >reservoir for candida and the use of pantyhose by many women creates a very >favorable environment around the rectum for transfer(through moisture and >humidity) of candida to the vaginal tract. One of the most effctive ways to >minimmize this transfer is to wear undyed cotton underwear. Also, if one is an 'anal retentive', like I've been diagnosed in a prior post, that can also provide more sites for excessive candida growth. ;^) >If the bloom occurs in the anal area, the burning, swelling, pain and even >blood discharge make many patients think that they have hemorroids. If the >bloom manages to move further up the GI tract, very diffuse symptomatology >occurs(abdominal discomfort and blood in the stool). This positive stool >for occult blood is what sent Elaine to her family doctor in the first >place. After extensive testing, he told her that there was nothing wrong >but her gut still hurt. On to another doctor, and so on. Richard Kaplan >has told me throiugh e-mail that he considers occult blood tests in stool >specimens to be a waste of time and money because of the very large number of >false positives(candida blooms guys?). If my gut hurt me on a constant >basis, I would want it fixed. Yes it's nice to know that I don't have >colon cancer but what then is causing my distress? When I finally find a >doctor who treats me and gets me 90% better, Steve Dyer calls him a quack. As I've said in private e-mail, there are flaws in our current medical system that make it difficult or even impossible for a physician to attempt alternative therapies AFTER the approved/proven/accepted therapies don't work. For example, I went to three ENT's, who all said that I will just have to live with my acute/chronic sinusitis after the ab's failed (they did mention surgery to open up the ostia, but my ostia weren't plugged and it would not get to the root cause of my condition). After three months of aggressive and fairly non-standard therapy (Sporanox, body nutrient level monitoring and equalization, vitamin C, lentinen, echinacea, etc.), my health has vastly improved to where I was two years ago, before my health greatly deteriorated. Of course, skeptics would say that maybe if I did nothing I would have improved anyway, but that view is stretching things quite far because of the experience of the three ENT's I saw who said that I'd just have to ""live with it"". I'm confident I will reach what one could call a total ""cure"". The anti-fungal program I undertook was one necessary step in that direction because of my overuse of ab's for the last four years. (Note: for those having sinus problems, may I suggest the book by Dr. Ivker I mention above. Be sure to get the revised edition.) >...I have often wondered what an M.D. with chronic >GI distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his >patients is a non-existent syndrome. Dr. Ivker started off having chronic and severe sinus problems, and his visits to several ENT's totally floored him when they said ""you'll just have to live with it"". He spent several years trying everything - standard and non-standard, until he was essentially cured of chronic sinusitis. He now shares his approach in his book and I can honestly say that I am on the road to recovery following some parts of it. His one recommendation to take a systemic anti-fungal at the beginning of treatment IF you have a history of anti-biotic overuse has been proven to him time and time again in his own practice. I'm sure if I commented to him of the hard-core beliefs of the anti- ""yeast hypothesis"" posters that he would have definite things to say, such as, ""it's worked wonders for me in almost two thousand cases"", to put it mildly. I also would not be surprised if he would say that they are the ones violating their moral obligations to help the patient. Maybe those doctors who are reading this who have a practice and are confronted by a patient having symptoms that could be due to the ""hypothetical yeast overgrowth"" (e.g., they fit some of the profiles the pro-yeast people have identified), should consider anti-fungal therapy IF all other avenues have been exhausted. Remember, theory and practice are two different things - you cannot have one without the other, they are synergistic. If a doctor does something non-standard yet produces noticeable symptomatic relief in over a thousand of his patients, shouldn't you at least sit up and take notice? Maybe you ought to trust what he says and begin hypothesizing why it works instead of why it shouldn't work. I'm afraid a lot of doctors have become so enamored with ""scientific correctness"" that they are ignoring the patients they have sworn to help. You have to do both; both have to be balanced, which we don't see from some of the posters to this group. There comes a point when you just have to use a little common sense, and maybe an empirical approach (such as trying a good systemic anti-fungal such as Sporanox) after having exhausted all the other avenues. I was one of those who the traditional medical establishment was not able to help, so I did the natural thing: I went to a couple of doctor's who are (somewhat) outside this establishment, and as a result I have found significant relief. Would it not be better if the traditional medical establishment can set up some kind of mechanism where any doctor, without fear of being sued or having his license pulled, can try experimental and unproven (beyond a doubt) therapies for his/her patients that finally reach the point where all the accepted therapies are ineffective? I'd like to hear a doctor tell me: ""well, I've tried all the therapies that are approved and accepted in this country, and since they clearly don't work for you, I now have the authority to use experimental, unproven techniques that seem to have helped others. I can't promise anything, and there are some risks. You will have to sign something saying you understand the experimental and possibly risky nature of these unproven therapies, and I'll have to register your case at the State Board."" Anyway, if my ENT had suggested this to me, I would've jumped on this pronto instead of going to one of those doctors who, for either altruistic reasons, or for greed, is practicing these alternative therapies with much risk to him/her (risk meaning losing their license) and possibly to the patient. Such a mechanism would keep control in the more mainstream medicine, and also provide valuable data that would essentially be free. It also would be morally and ethically better than the current system by showing the compassion of the medical community to the patient - that it's doing everything it can within reason to help the patient. It is the lack of such a mechanism that is leading large numbers of people to try alternative therapies, some of which seem to work (like my case), and others of which will never work at all (true quackery). I better get off my soapbox before this post reaches 500K in size. >If taken orally, it can also become a major bacteria in the gut. Through >aresol sprays, it has also been used to innoculate the sinus membranes. >But before this innoculation occurs, the mucus membrane barrier system >needs to be strengthened. This is accomplished by vitamin A, vitamin C and >some of the B-complex vitamins. Diet surveys repeatedly show that Americans >are not getting enough B6 and folate. These are probably the segement of >the population that will have the greatest problem with this non-existent >disorder(candida blooms after antibiotic therapy). What dosage of B6 appears to be necessary to promote the healing and proper working of the mucos memebranes? >Some of the above material was obtained from ""Natural Healing"" by Mark >Bricklin, Published by Rodale press, as well as notes from my human >nutrition course. I will be posting a discussion of vitamin A sometime in >the future, along with reference citings to point out the extremely >important role that vitamin A plays in the mucus membrane defense system in >the body and why vitamin A should be effective in dealing with candida >blooms. Another effective dietary treatment is to restrict carbohydrate >intake during the treatment phase, this is especially important if the GI >system is involved. If candida can not get glucose, it's not going to out >grow the bacteria and you then give bacteria, which can use amino acids and >fatty acids for energy, a chance to take over and keep the candida in check >once carbohydrate is returned to the gut. I'd like to see the role of complex carbohydrates, such as starch. >If Steve and some of the other nay-sayers want to jump all over this post, >fine. I jumped all over Steve in Sci. Med. Nutrition because he verbably >accosted a poster who was seeking advice about her doctor's use of vitamin >A and anti-fungals for a candida bloom in her gut. People seeking advice >from newsnet should not be treated this way. Those of us giving of our >time and knowledge can slug it out to our heart's content. If you saved >your venom for me Steve and left the helpless posters who are timidly >seeking help alone, I wouldn't have a problem with your behavior. Brave soul you are. The venom on Usenet can be quite toxic unless one develops an immunity to it. One year ago, my phlegmatic self would have backed down right away from an attack of cholericitis. But my immune system, and my computer system, have been hardened from gradual desensitization. I now kind of like being called ""anal retentive"" - it has a nice ring to it. I also was very impressed by how it just flowed into the post - truly classic, worthy of a blue (or maybe brown) ribbon. I might even cross-post it to alt.best.of.internet. Hmmm... >Martin Banschbach, Ph.D. >Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman >Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology >OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine Thanks again for a great and informative post. I hope others who have researched this area and are lurking in the background will post their thoughts as well, no matter their views on this subject. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. ";-1;0 "From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) Subject: Re: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future. Organization: University of Western Ontario, London Nntp-Posting-Host: prism.engrg.uwo.ca Lines: 9 Hmmm. I seem to recall that the attraction of solid state record- players and radios in the 1960s wasn't better performance but lower per-unit cost than vacuum-tube systems. Mind you, my father was a vacuum-tube fan in the 60s (Switched to solid-state in the mid-seventies and then abruptly died; no doubt there's a lesson in that) and his account could have been biased. James Nicoll ";-1;0 "From: graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham) Subject: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm) Organization: The Internet Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu I am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window of some sort with moving symbols among other things. A pure X application could be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe). Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program? Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me with XOpenWindow? I have never used GL before, but the doc on GL winopen() says that the first time winopen() is called it opens a connection to the server. Also, most of the GL calls do not require a Display or GC, unlike most X calls. From this initial information it appears that X and GL cannot be mixed easily. Is this true? Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL? Environment: AIXwindows X11R4 Motif 1.1 GL is available AIX Sys V 3.2 IBM RS/6000 360 Thanks in advance. Jay Graham Jade Simulations International Corp. 14 Colonnade Road, Suite 150 Nepean, Ontario, Canada 613-225-5900 x226 graham@ottawa.jade.com ";-1;0 "From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Radio Shack voice recognition chips Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 10 Hi there, I have a friend who'd like to get a hold of a bunch of those simple voice recognition chips that Radio Shack used to sell (and no longer does). If anybody knows of a source for these, please e-mail me. I'll forward the responses to him. Thanks! ---Joel Kolstad ";-1;0 "Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.58.96.14 From: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) Distribution: world Organization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department Subject: Re: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ? Lines: 28 In article <1993APR21.210954.40516@DATAMARK.CO.NZ>, thomas@datamark.co.nz writes: |> In article <1993Apr21.082152@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be> wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) writes: |> >Is it possible to use WinQVT/Net on a machine that uses NDIS to connect to a |> >Token Ring ? I tried it with older versions (< 3.2) but got an invalid packet |> >class error or something the like... |> |> How are you attempting to do that? |> |> Are you using the DIS_PKT9 program? This provides a packet driver on |> top of the NDIS driver. |> I tried to do so, but people told me that even if I used DISPKT, the packets would still be incompatible. Is this true ? |> -- |> Thomas Beagle | thomas@datamark.co.nz Work: 64 4 233 8186 __o |> Technical Writer | thomas@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz Home: 64 4 499 3832 _-\<, |> Wellington, NZ | Hound for hire. Will work for dog biscuits. (_)/(_) Wim Van Holder Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Tel: ++32 (0)16/28.57.16 Departement T.E.W. FAX: ++32 (0)16/28.57.99 Dekenstraat 2 B-3000 Leuven E-mail: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be BELGIUM fdbaq03@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be ";-1;0 "From: annick@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Annick Ansselin) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: cortex.physiol.su.oz.au Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 29 In marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco) writes: >> >>And to add further fuel to the flame war, I read about 20 years ago that >>the ""natural"" MSG - extracted from the sources you mention above - does not >>cause the reported aftereffects; it's only that nasty ""artificial"" MSG - >>extracted from coal tar or whatever - that causes Chinese Restaurant >>Syndrome. I find this pretty hard to believe; has anyone else heard it? MSG is mono sodium glutamate, a fairly straight forward compound. If it is pure, the source should not be a problem. Your comment suggests that impurities may be the cause. My experience of MSG effects (as part of a double blind study) was that the pure stuff caused me some rather severe effects. >I was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that most of the MSG on >our foods was made from processing sugar beets. Is this not true? Are >there other sources of MSG? Soya bean, fermented cheeses, mushrooms all contain MSG. >I am one of those folx who react, sometimes strongly, to MSG. However, >I also react strongly to sodium chloride (table salt) in excess. Each >causes different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat >and an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest, upper left quadrant. The symptoms I had were numbness of jaw muscles in the first instance followed by the arms then the legs, headache, lethargy and unable to keep awake. I think it may well affect people differently. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Speculations From: dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 17 In article <930405.172903.4w6.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew writes: >Nanci Ann Miller writes: >> If this god is truly omnipotent as you folks like to claim, then why can't >> he terminate eternity? > >For the same reason he can't flibble glop ork groink. > >The thing you are demanding that he must be able to do, has no meaning in its >own terms. This is a classic example of excessive faith in reason. The fact that we have trouble talking about something doesn't imply that it is impossible; it simply implies that it is hard to talk about. There is a very good chance that God *can* flibble glop ork groink. Charlie Wingate can flibble glop ork groink, and he isn't even God. -- Doug Graham dgraham@bnr.ca My opinions are my own. ";-1;0 "From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) Subject: Re: Lois Chevrolet? Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu The Chevrolet brothers were respected racers & test drivers for the Buick Co. when Durant was there. When the directors kicked Durant out of GM in 1910 he took Chevrolet and others with him. As mentioned before, they founded the successful Chevrolet company. A little-known fact is that the Chevrolet Co. actually took over GM! That was how Durant got back in charge of GM-- legally his new company Chevrolet Co. did the buying, and GM was a division of Chevrolet! After 1920 and into the Sloan era, GM shuffled things so that the GM board was superior, but there was always a degree of autonomy given the Chevy division, presumably because of the initial structure. (If you look at the organization chart for GM in Sloan's book, Chevy division reports directly to 14th floor, not through the ""passenger car division"" which covers Buick, Olds, Cadillac, and Oakland/Pontiac) -Jeff Hagen (minor deity of worthless auto-trivia) hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu ";-1;0 "From: bpita@ctp.com (Bob Pitas) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Keywords: bad drivers Nntp-Posting-Host: earth.ctp.com Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners Distribution: usa Lines: 56 In article <1993Apr14.140642.19875@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes: > >Well, I guess I know for sure what I meant, and it is this: I don't know where >you drive, but around here freeways are often clogged solid with large packs >of semis, trucks, and cars of all descriptions. When I close on one of these >rolling clusterf***s on the highway, I have no desire to add my vehicle to this >rolling accident looking for a place to happen. If there were any way to pass it >I WOULD BE PASSING MYSELF, however I can't. As I posted before, all it >takes is a blown tire, or some moron tramping on the brakes to turn this pack >into a cloud of shredded metal, flying glass, and burning vehicles. I want to >maintain enough free space between myself and this mess to at least have a >minimal chance to avoid a mass crash. That means maintaining a clear space >between me and it. >However, there is no end of shortdriving morons who are dying to pass so they >can add themselves and their car to the bodycount. That wouldn't bother me so >much except that after letting enough of these morons pass me and glue themselves >to the pack ahead, my interval is filled up. Trying to back off further does not >work because the road behind me has filled up, trapping my car right into an ever >increasing pack. Now, if there was any slight possibility that there was a lane >open ahead, I'd be glad to move over. But, there usually is no way in hell that >anybody is going anywhere. So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own >good , but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it. > Just an comment: I don't like it when people decide what's good for me... If you think you're going to decide anything for me, you'd better be carrying a badge and a gun. Who made you capable of determining if there is ""no way in hell that anybody is going anywhere""? Why do you find it necessary to add to the problem instead of just minding your own business? If someone is minding their own business, I will give them all the room they want, and I'll try to make things easy for them, even letting them in in front of me if they ask politely (with a directional). On the other hand, if someone like you decides they want to block me and be a general asshole, you can bet your ass that I'll make life as miserable as possible for you, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else who's minding their own business. They have a phrase to describe someone like you: Self Appointed Traffic Police. Just mind your own business and stay in the right lane where you belong. >As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets >offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a position >to cash in my chips, too. > > H.H. Mayo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___ / _ \ '85 Mustang GT Bob Pitas / /USH 14.13 @ 99.8 bpita@ctp.com / /| \ Up at NED, Epping, NH (Cambridge, MA) """" - Geddy Lee (in YYZ) Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, obviously, since they end with my .sig! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: markp@elvis.wri.com (Mark Pundurs) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Nntp-Posting-Host: elvis.wri.com Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. Lines: 22 In <30136@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: >In article <1qjd3o$nlv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >>Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round. >>So you better explain what objective atoms are, and how we get them >>from subjective values, before we go any further. >Atoms are not objective. They aren't even real. What scientists call >an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes >certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings. All >of which is subjective. Omigod, it's an operationalist! Sorry, Jim, but the idea that a theory explaining a myriad of distinctly different observations is merely a ""model"" is more than sensible people can accept -- your phobia about objective reality notwithstanding. -- Mark Pundurs any resemblance between my opinions and those of Wolfram Research, Inc. is purely coincidental ";-1;0 "From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Theism : Evidence? Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 21 In article <1qibo2$f4o@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > >#>In the absence of some convincing evidence that theist fanatics are more >#>dangerous than atheist fanatics, I'll continue to be wary of fanatics of >#>any stripe. ># >#I think that the agnostic fanatics are the most dangerous of the lot. > >Fair point, actually. I mentioned theists and atheists, but left out >agnostics. Mea culpa. > No wonder in the light of that you are a probably a theist who tries to pass as an agnostic. I still remember your post about your daughter singing Chrismas Carols and your feelings of it well. By the way, would you show marginal honesty and answer the many questions you left open when you ceased to respond last time? Benedikt ";-1;0 "From: stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng) Subject: Re: << AMIGA 3000, etc FOR SALE >> as of 4/2/93 In-Reply-To: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu's message of 2 Apr 93 20:09:59 GMT Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA Lines: 26 In article <1pi6in$isg@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) writes: ~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 5PM 4/02/93~~~~~~~~~~ 1 AMIGA 3000UX 25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys broken) ASKING PRICE: $1700 OBO. Mind my asking why you're selling a used machine with a damaged keyboard for the about the same price as a brand new A4000/030 (A4000-EC030/4 megs/120meg IDE HD/HD Floppy/v3.0 OS - $1899)? I'd like to get an A3000 locally for something reasonable like less than 1K without monitor. Brand new the A3000-25mhz/50 meg HD/HD floppy/2.1 ROM isn't running for more than $1400 or so. Considering it's damaged, probabably has a real old version of the OS I'll offer $700. Don't laugh...my A2000 isn't worth more than $250-$300 these days. N. Tzeng -- Nigel Tzeng .sig under construction ";-1;0 "From: james@dlss2 (James Cummings) Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? Organization: RedRock Development Distribution: usa Lines: 1021 In article <1993Apr17.023017.17301@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Wang) writes: |Hi, everybody: | I guess my subject has said it all. It is getting boring |looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows. So, |I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file |I can share. Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for |some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files, |etc.... I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all. | |Anyway could me give me some help, please??? | In response to a ""different"" kinda wallpaper, here's what I use. 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Also noticed there a program called sizer110.zip, which from the description looks like it also does what you want. Hope this helps. -- david white (engineer, Goon fan & son of my Dad) Internet davidw@auck.irl.cri.nz Fax +64 9 443-4737 ";-1;0 "From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf) Subject: Used Stuff Organization: IQ Software Corp. Lines: 22 I have this used equipment for sale, everything is negotiable! 1200 Baud Compuadd Internal Modem, all docs and software $ 25.00 SCO UNIX V3.2.2 All disks and Docs (Has UUCP/all Utils) $150.00 Old 1.2MB floppy drive, functional, out of an old 286. $ 20.00 Dead ST1196 80MB RLL drive, don't know whats wrong with it. $ 20.00 Old Joystick, don't remember the brand name $ 10.00 Old Boat Anchor CGA Monitor with full length CGA CArd $ 20.00 Serial Card 25 Pin $ 10.00 Test Drive III Accolade $ 20.00 All prices neg +shipping! ";-1;0 "From: mlj@af3.mlb.semi.harris.com (Marvin Jaster ) Subject: FOR SALE Nntp-Posting-Host: sunsol.mlb.semi.harris.com Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL Keywords: FOR SALE Lines: 46 I am selling my Sportster to make room for a new FLHTCU. This scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused. Always garaged. 1990 Sportster 883 Standard (blue) factory 1200cc conversion kit less than 8000 miles Branch ported and polished big valve heads Screamin Eagle carb Screamin Eagle cam adjustable pushrods Harley performance mufflers tachometer new Metzeler tires front and rear Progressive front fork springs Harley King and Queen seat and sissy bar everything chromed O-ring chain fork brace oil cooler and thermostat new Die-Hard battery bike cover price: $7000.00 phone: hm 407/254-1398 wk 407/724-7137 Melbourne, Florida ";-1;0 "From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: The Escrow Database. Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug Lines: 77 Here is a disturbing thought. Now, we no longer live in the days of big filing cabinets. We live in the electronic age. I asked myself, how big could the escrow database get? How hard might it be to steal the whole thing, particularly were I an NSA official operating with the tacit permission of the escrow houses? (We can pretend that such will not happen, but thats naive.) Well, lets see. Ten bytes of each escrow half. Lets asume ten bytes of serial number -- in fact, I believe the serial number is smaller, but this is an order of magnitude calculation. We assume 250*10^6 as the population, and that each person has a key. I get five gigabytes for each of the two escrow databases. Fits conveniently on a single very valuable Exabyte tape. This can only get easier with time, but who cares -- I can already hold all the clipper keys in the country in my pocket on two 8mm tapes. Admittely, they will think of safeguards. They won't put the whole database on one disk, prehaps. Maybe they will throw stumbling blocks in the way. This changes nothing -- they keys will be needed every day by hundreds if not thousands of law enforcement types, so convenience will dictate that the system permit quick electronic retrieval. At some point, with or without collusion by the agencies, those exabyte tapes are going to get cut. Dorothy Denning and David Sternlight will doubtless claim this can't happen -- but we know that ""can't"" is a prayer, not a word that in this instance connotes realism. With two exabyte tapes in your pocket, you would hold the keys for every person's conversations in the country in your hands. Yeah, you need the ""master key"" two -- but thats just ten bytes of information that have to be stored an awful lot of places. Come to think of it, even if the NSA getting a copy of the database isn't a threat to you because unlike me you have no contraversial political views, consider foreign intelligence services. You know, the ones that David Sternlight wants to protect us from because of the evil industrial espionage that they do. The French apparently do have a big spying operation in friendly countries to get industrial secrets, so he isn't being completely irrational here (although why our companies couldn't use cryptosystems without back doors is left unexplained by those that point out this threat.) Presumably, foreign intelligence services can get moles into the NSA and other agencies. We have proof by example of this: its happened many times. Presumably, someday they will get their hands on some fraction of the keys. You can't avoid that sort of thing. Don't pretend that no one unauthorized will ever get their hands on the escrow databases. We crypto types are all taught something very important at the beginning of intro to cryptography -- security must depend on the easily changed key that you pick to run your system, and not on a secret. The escrow databases aren't the sorts of secrets that our teachers told us about, but they are the sort of big secrets they would lump into this category. Imagine trying to replace 100 million Clipper chips. I cannot believe that the NSA or whomever it is thats doing this doesn't realize all this already. They are too smart. There are too many of them who have made their bones in the real world. I suspect that they know precisely what they are doing -- and that what they are doing is giving us the appearance of safety so that they can continue to surveil in spite of the growth of strong cryptography. I suspect that they realize that they can't put things off forever, but they can try to delay things as long as possible. Who knows. Maybe even some of the higher ups, the inevitable bureaucratic types that rise in any organization, really do believe that this scheme might give people some security, even as their subordinates in Fort Meade wring their hands over the foolishness of it all. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. ";-1;0 "From: cunning@mksol.dseg.ti.com (patrick w cunningham) Subject: LEADING TECH QUESTION Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 10 Hey, does anybody know anything about Leading Technology Computers?? I have a Leading Technology 6000SX and need a new mother board for it. Does anybody know where I can get one. (Leading Technoology is really made by SAMSUNG. 6000SX is Samsung model SD-700) ";-1;0 "From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Keywords: printer Article-I.D.: ics.2BD73621.3894 Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu I edited a few newsgroup from that line (don't like to crosspost THAT much). I can't compare the two, but I recently got an HP DeskJet 500. I'm very pleased with the output (remember that I'm used to imagens, laser and postscript printers at school -- looks very good. You have to be careful to let it dry before touching it, as it will smudge. The deskjet is SLOW. This is in comparison to the other printers I mentioned. I have no idea how the bubblejet compares. The interface between Win3.1 and the printer is just dandy, I've not had any problems with it. Hope that helps some. --Cindy -- Cindy Tittle Moore Internet: tittle@ics.uci.edu | BITNET: cltittle@uci.bitnet UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucivax!tittle | Usnail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716 ";-1;0 "From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station, Go Commerical. Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.191701.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Sounds liek what the FED has to do is sign a 50 or more year lease to use certain parts of a space station that is built and designed and such by a commerical company or consortium of companies (such as like Alyeska) for a small amount of rent in return for certain incentives and such.. Such as tax and other right off and also a monopoly on certain products.. The commerical builders would have certain perks given to them to make there end easier (taxes , contracts, regulatory concesions and such..) Is it workable, just might work.. After all, if China can lease out Hong Kong and the people of Hong Kong can make money, this could work.. == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked ";2;1 "From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Overreacting (was Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more) Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 13 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > Somebody asked me what was wrong about overreacting in cases such as this. > > The reason is very simple: How many people do you want to die in a riot? >In a new Civil War? Not me -- which is precisely why the government must be cut off at the knees when it pulls stunts like this, lest the situation worsen to the point where extreme measures are required. ";-1;0 "From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: ""National repentance"" Reply-To: jwaugh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 29 Concerning Christians praying for coporate forgiveness of national sins, Michael Covington claims the following of C.S. Lewis: > C. S. Lewis made the same point in an essay after World War II, > when some Christian leaders in Britain were urging ""national repentance"" > for the horrors (sins???) of World War II. > -- > :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** > :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* > :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * > :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< I was surprised when I heard this same kind of remark from a fellow grad. student I know, especially since he had seminary training. I have read the same essay and do not find Lewis making any such claim. Rather, Lewis is condemning the use of such coporate prayer efforts as platforms to make political jabs at opponents, feigned as confessions of guilt (ie., Lord please forgive us for allowing ""insert political issue/idea/platform"" to exist in our country, it is wrong and we ask your forgiveness.). I would be interested in knowing what part of the essay you feel condemns national repentance (please quote). Jonathan Waugh Graduate Research Associate, Pulmonary Medicine Div. The Ohio State University SAMP, Rm 431, 1583 Perry St. Columbus, OH 43210 jwaugh@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ";-1;0 "From: mtearle@gu.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au Well here in Australia you dial 11544 to get the number read back to you if you live in the country include the area code of the nearest capital city eg for wa 09 11544 Yours Mark -- #***********************************************************************# # Mark Tearle | # # | # email: mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au | ";-1;0 "From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Lines: 88 In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >You are loosing. > >There is no question about it. > >Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter >how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. Not so. Surveys have shown while the public thinks certain types of gun control may be acceptable they do believe they have an individual right to keep and bear arms, and that the police should not have /discretion/ over who may and may not own firearms. >This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your >RKBA will be null and void. By the end of the Clinton administration a lot of things will be screwed up. Hell, we'll probably be just like England. > Tough titty. ""Tough titty"" ? My how eloquent you are. As for your claim, I think Clinton has a big fight ahead of him if he thinks he's going to pass some comprehensive gun legislation. He will sign the Brady Bill if it gets to his desk. We will do whatever we can to either keep that from happening, or modify it such that it is acceptable to us. >You had better discover ways to make do without firearms. Sorry, that's not possible. And that's why we won't give them up either. Legally or illegally, American's will keep their firearms. The number of unregistered weapons in New York City is in the millions. There aren't even close to that number of violent criminals there. >The number of cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. If the gov't was serious about stopping violent crime they would keep violent criminals in jail for a long long time where they belong instead of letting them out on early release. >There is nothing you can do about it. Hey, we can go into politics too if we feel like it. > Those who live by the sword shall die by it. I don't believe this one bit. >The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against >you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! Snore. Like I take advice on the RKBA from a Brit. No way. >Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect >them. Resistance is useless. You watch too much ""Star Trek"". Actually, this is an understandable attitude from a Brit; you are a subject of the state. >They will overwhelm you - one at a time. Not necessarily. There are ways of resisting oppression without getting caught by the gov't. >Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an >immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. The ""abstract criminal"" like the ones who killed a relative of mine while she was working in a carry-out. >Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions >are passe'. While undesirable, they are sometimes unavoidable. If you don't want to resist a criminal attack by all means do nothing. I will (a) take my chances resisting violent attack, and (b) stand a better chance of being unharmed than someone who does nothing. >Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will >be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... What a joke. Criminals want a disarmed population. How can you keep criminals from preying on us after our best means of self defense is taken away ? -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com ";-1;0 "From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding (eww, gross) Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 16 In article MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) writes: > >1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks. >1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks. >2 hours/drink for the rest. In my case it goes down after the first four, because the fifth one usually makes me throw up the last two. Needless to say, I don't drink very much anymore, as the last time that happened was in the second year of my undergrad. I was a silly .edu breath, and pretty bad breath at that. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada ";7;1 "Organization: Queen's University at Kingston From: Graydon Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? <1993Apr7.124724.22534@yang.earlham.edu> <1993Apr12.161742.22647@yang.earlham.edu> Lines: 9 This is turning into 'what's a moonbase good for', and I ought not to post when I've a hundred some odd posts to go, but I would think that the real reason to have a moon base is economic. Since someone with space industry will presumeably have a much larger GNP than they would _without_ space industry, eventually, they will simply be able to afford more stuff. Graydon ";-1;0 "From: kime@mongoose.torolab.ibm.com (Edward Kim) Subject: Re: Ind. Source Picks Baerga Over Alomar: Case Closed In-Reply-To: tedward@cs.cornell.edu's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 19:07:35 GMT Distribution: na Lines: 8 <1993Apr16.190735.13322@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: IBM Toronto Lab > That's a joke! (Alomar might not be a gold-glover, but he's certainly > no worse than Baerga defensively.) Actually Alomar is a two-time gold-glover (91-92). > > -Valentine Edk ";-1;0 "From: bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo) Subject: Re: WFAN Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 92 NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu I hope that this comes off as a somewhat unbiased assesment of WFAN and WIP(I go to school in Philadelphia, and I listen to both stations on a consistant basis.) Now that the fan has Mike Lupica on from 10 to noon, they have a person who can get the big name guests for interviews, and not just of local importance He did have Dave Cheketts and Fred Wilpon on his show, but he had Bob Costas and Magic Johnson on too. Now here are my opinions of the two stations competing talent: Morning show: In my opinion, I think Imus is much better than Bruno, Cataldi, and Morganti, even though I would feel different if Morganti had a better crew of people to work with. To me, WIP tries to copy Imus but make it all sports as a theme. In terms of sports, Imus lacks the blanketing of the airwaves, but he interjects humor and politics into his show. 10 AM to 12 Noon: I think Chuck Cooperstein and Lupica are equal in their abilities to host a radio show, but I think Chuck has the advantage over Lupica in terms of dealing with the caller who is asking about who the local team is going to draft in the sixth round. Lupica and the other hosts on FAN get better interview guests, but I heard the PD of WIP say that they were not interested in interviews with celebrities unless it was a major story. I would consider this even because they are two different styles of host. 12 Noon to 2 PM: At this point, I would have to give a big advantage to Jody McDonald over Len Berman because Lenny has only been on for a couple of weeks. I just think JM has the ability to transcend the ""homer"" mentality of the Philadelphia fan base. This is most evident when the IGGLES(Philadelphia spelling) play the Cowboys because JM is a huge Dallas fan. Where else can you have people call up and predict a 93-0 score without the egging of the hosts(re:WIP morning 'guys') I do agree that JM was great on the FAN weekend overnight and I miss hearing him over the current crop of rotating hosts. I feel that JM is the best sportstalk host on either station by a good margin. If you are in NY and you can't get WIP, JM does fill in on the weekends sometimes. 2PM to 4PM: This is the time when JM goes up against Francesa and Russo(fatso and froot loops) and I become the most divided in my loyalties. Mike and the dog are very entertaining, but they often go an hour or so without calls or even 10 to 20 minutes without talking about sports. MATD do get great guests and that is the basis for their show, so it is like the 10 to 12 debate. Another plus is the appearances by Mike and Chris on Imus in the Morning, which are often hilarious. 4 PM to 7 PM: MATD go up against Fredericks and Missanelli. I like Mike Missanelli but I just can't stomach Steve Fredericks. I know that SF came from Philly originally, but when he was at the FAN, he was a NY homer as much as he is a Philly homer now. I don't listen to WIP much after 4 PM unless there is a game on that night, but you will see later for the reason. That is why I give the advantage to FAN. 7 PM to Midnight: S&M are on WIP until 8 and then it is the man who makes Eli that calls MATD all the time seem like a novice on charges of racism, G Cobb. This man is so grating on my nerves that if I listen to him for a few minutes I go nuts.(I know that is biased, but listen to his show) On FAN, there is usually a game on, Knicks, Rangers, Mets Jets, or St. John's basketball. If the game is on the west coast, then it is usually Howie Rose. Of course I think dead air would be better than G Cobb on WIP, but WIP does air Sixers and Flyers games during the season. (If this is the sports station, why did they lose the IGGLES to WYSP(home of Howard Stern in Phil.)) During the summer, it is all talk on WIP. Overall, I would have to give the advantage to WFAN, with the exception of 10 to 12, and 2 to 4 where it is even, and 12 to 2 where WIP has the advantage. Rich -- ""You've read the hat, now see the movie."" -Imus in the morning ""A blurb? You're a blurb!"" -Seinfeld ";-1;0 "From: auerbach@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Lines: 23 In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: > In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: >>I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, >>but here goes: >> > In short Mr. Gorman (I am assuming Mr. as a title because I don't think a >woman would be stupid enough to make this post) I don't know what episode of CNN you ^^^^^ What an incrediblt sexist remark! Come now, Mike, what ever possessed you to make such a un-PC remark? I hope all women out there reading this are as incensed as I am. Remember, WOMAN ARE JUST AS GOOD AS MEN!!!! Women stand up for your right to be just as stupid as men. In fact, insist on every oppurtunity to be even more stupid than men! You've got the right, use it! Hey, it's a slow afternoon and I really don't want to get back to that report...;) BTW: mega-smileys for the humor impaired... Karl ";3;1 "From: ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee) Subject: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond) Lines: 50 Here's one I hope some knowledgeable readers will make a comment or contribution to: In the State of Virginia radar detectors are illegal, period. If you are caught with one it will be confiscated on the spot and will not be returned until after you appear in court and pay your fine. The fine for having a radar detector accessible in a motor vehicle (even if it is not on) is $250.00. Sorry, tourist, ignorance of the law is no excuse - they will get you too! It used to be that the only way the law could be enforced was for an officer to actually see the radar detector. Not any more! Many law enforcement agencies are now using radar detector detectors. Right, a super sensitive receiver that is capable of picking up RF from the radar detector itself. My first reaction was ""no way!"" But, guess again, these little buggers really work and the police are writing citations right and left for people using radar detectors. One news story quoted an officer as saying that he had found the radar detector in all of the cars he stopped except one, and he could never figure out where it was - but he knew it was there. This tends to make one assume there are few false arrest. Now, before I get flamed, please understand that I do drive at or near the speed limit. I do not need a radar detector to keep me from getting a speeding ticket. But, I do like to know when my speed is being clocked or a speed trap is functioning. My radar detector now stays locked in my trunk when I am in Virginia (which is what they want - and yes, what the law says, and I intend to obey the law!) and is only used in states where it is legal. For my fellow hams, I am not a microwave person - my mind only works in the HF spectrum between 10 and 80 meters. Microwave enlightment may be necessary. So, the questions are - What do the radar detector detectors actually detect? Would additional shielding/grounding/bypassing shield stray RF generated by a radar detector, or is the RF actually being emitted by the detector antenna? Are any brands ""quieter"" than others? ============================================================================== Randy T. Agee - ARS WB4BZX | At some point, you probably pondered The P.O. Box 2120 - 20th floor | Meaning of Life, and you came up with a Virginia Department of Education | satisfactory answer, which has or has not Richmond, VA 23216-2120 | stood the test of time, or you shrugged Phone (804) 225-2669 | mightily, muttered ""Beats the heck out of ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu | me,"" and ordered a cheeseburger. ============================================================================= ";-1;0 "From: rlennip4@mach1.wlu.ca (robert lennips 9209 U) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Lines: 2 Please get a REAL life. ";-1;0 "From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 27 In article , maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: |> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after |> you ""feel"" sober? What? Or should I just work with ""If I drink tonight, I |> don't ride until tomorrow""? I'll put in a vote for the latter. A bike takes a lot of involvement, and I for one do not want any accident to be my fault. I remember one artical where the reviewer tried the radio on the bike, not having had one on any of his. He stated that the bike tended to go faster when the music was good. I agree, having felt like this my self, and this was not a physical imparement, like drinking, just the emotional lift from music. First rule of ecology: There is never only one side-effect. Ride Well- --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. ";-1;0 "From: beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting) Subject: Madison/Chicago --> Italy Air Ticket Wanted Keywords: Madison/Chicago, Milan, Italy Article-I.D.: doug.1993Apr5.193913.14385 Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 13 Hi, I am looking for a round trip Madison/Chicago --> Milan (Italy) air ticket. Anybody who has a transferable ticket but will not use it please contact me at beng@cae.wisc.edu. Open-jaw ticket highly desired. Thank you. B. T. Ting beng@cae.wisc.edu ";-1;0 "From: wein1@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (david weinberg) Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX The tradition of the octopus started back in the 1950s. It was tradition to toss an octopus out on the ice during the first play-off games because you needed eight wins for Stanely Cup. Today people toss octupi anytime it gets near the play-offs. Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: sleepy.cc.utexas.edu David ";-1;0 "From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) In-Reply-To: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 17:16:21 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: fanny.wash Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA Lines: 15 / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) / 3:31 pm Apr 13, 1993 / >Some of the pro-gun posters in this group own no guns. The dread >""Terminator"", aka ""The Rifleman"", owned no firearms for several >years while posting in this group, as an example. There are >others. For what it is worth, I own no firearms of any sort. As long-time readers of this group know, I am dedicated to the RKBA. This is not about toys. It is about freedom. Dave Barton dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com ";3;1 "From: markm@latium. (Mark Monninger) Subject: Bimmer vs Beamer Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.8 Reply-To: markm@latium (Mark Monninger) Organization: Motorola SPS, Tempe, AZ Distribution: usa Lines: 8 Although not in direct response to the referenced article, just to set the record straight, Beamers are BMW motorcycles. BMW cars are Bimmers. Please, let's get our terms straight. Actually, some purists would argue that the only true Bimmer is a round tail light 2002 or 1600. Mark ";-1;0 "From: jaeastman@anl.gov (Jeff Eastman) Subject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions Organization: Argonne National Laboratory Lines: 23 In article <15APR199312304021@pavo.concordia.ca>, m_klein@pavo.concordia.ca (CorelMARK!) wrote: > > In article <0096B0F0.C5DE05A0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes... > >In article <1993Apr15.003015.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>, cvadrnlh@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes: > >>Today (4/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to make > >>room for Harkey? > >>Also, are Delino Deshields & John Wetteland of the Expos on the DL? > >>Thanks for anyone who can give me more info! > >>/=== > >>Ken > >>Cal Poly, Pomona > >> > > > >Wetteland is on the DL effective March 26 or something like that. > > > >rick The Cubs sent Boskie to Iowa to make room for Harkey. _______________ Jeff Eastman jaeastman@anl.gov _______________ ";-1;0 "From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: Emphysema question Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr15.180621.29465@radford.vak12ed.edu> mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) writes: :Thanks for all your assistance. I'll see if he can try a :different brand of patches, although he's tried two brands :already. Are there more than two? The brands I can come up with off the top of my head are Nicotrol, Nicoderm and Habitrol. There may be a fourth as well. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ";-1;0 "From: fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Distribution: usa Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: keynes.econ.duke.edu In article <1993Apr14.153137.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes: > >If the Braves >continue to average 3 runs a game, then 3 is where they will finish. > P. Tierney So, if the Braves run production falls to 1 per game, which is certainly where it's headed (if they're lucky), does that mean they'll finish first? -- @econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke. s To my correspondents: My email has been changed. e l My new address is: fls@econ.duke.edu d f If mail bounces, try fls@raphael.acpub.duke.edu u ";-1;0 "From: noah@apple.com (Noah Price) Subject: Re: What to put in Centris 650 Internal Bay? Organization: (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 31 In article , jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) wrote: > > hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: > >tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes: > >>jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes: > >>>Yes, you get internal mixing of the analog CD-Audio outputs with > >>>the Mac generated audio on the Mac motherboard. Also you can sample > >>>the CD-Audio using the sound control panel by clicking on the Options > >>>button next to the microphone icon. > >>How do you click on the Options button? I've never seen it undimmed. > > > The latest word on this is you have to disconnect the Microphone > >cable on the motherboard. Then the button is supposed to un-dim. The audio will simply select the CD audio when the microphone is removed. I don't believe the button un-dims, since there's nothing to select. I haven't tracked down a Centris to check this on though. > Sorry, I assumed that the the various new machines with the internal > CD-ROM bay worked the same as the Quadra 900. Obviously they don't. Yup, I made the same mistake several months ago when this issue came up before :-) noah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ noah@apple.com Macintosh Hardware Design ...!{sun,decwrl}!apple!noah (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. ";-1;0 "From: ah499@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Daniels) Subject: HELP!: Apple II Expansion Chassis by Mountain Computer Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu I recently bought an apparantly complete Expansion Chassis by Mountain Computer Inc. It consists of a box with 8 Apple ][+ compatible slots, powersupply brick, interface card and ribbon cable to attach it to the computer to be expanded. There was also included a small card with empty sockets on top and pins on the bottom that looks like it would plug into the ][+ motherboard somewhere after pulling a chip. There's an empty socket also on the interface card and a short 16-pin DIP jumper like the ones used with ][+ language cards. This technological marvel came with no docs and I haven't a clue as how to hook this thing up. If anyone has docs and/or users disk of any sort for this I could really use copies of them or at least some help. I need to know: o How to orient the ribbon cable between the card and the chassis. o How to attach the short cable from the motherboard to the card and if the small card is used. o The purposes of the various jumper-pins on the card (it has more of those than my CMS SCSI card!) thanks John Daniels ah499@cleveland.freenet.edu ";11;1 "From: rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender) Subject: Looking for a doctor Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Keywords: San Francisco Lines: 9 I was kind of half watching Street Stories last night and one of the segments was about this doctor in S.F. who provides a service of investigating treatment for various diseases. I'm pretty sure his name is Dr. Mark Renniger (sp?) or close to that. Did anyone else watch this? I'd like to get his correct name and address/phone number if possible. Thanks. ";-1;0 "From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Lines: 14 In article <1qp9d1$e37@dorothy.ibmpcug.co.uk>, gtoal@news.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes: > Try reading between the lines David - there are *strong* hints in there > that they're angling for NREN next, and the only conceivable meaning of > applying this particular technology to a computer network is that they > intend it to be used in exclusion to any other means of encryption. Umm... I beg to differ with the phrase ``only conceivable meaning''. The SDNS protocols, for example, make explicit provision for multiple encryption systems, as does PEM. (And I'd love to see how they'd mandate this new system for PEM without disclosing it....) Mind you, I'm not saying that multiple algorithms will actually be used -- but the relevant technologies certainly provide for them, which certainly casts doubt on your choice of words. ";-1;0 "From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) Subject: FAQ - What is the DoD? Summary: Everything you always wanted to know about DoD, but were afraid to ask Keywords: DoD FAQ Article-I.D.: javelin.DoD.monthly_733561501 Expires: Sun, 30 May 1993 07:05:01 GMT Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 849 Supersedes: This is a periodic posting intended to answer the Frequently Asked Question: What is the DoD? It is posted the first of each month, with an expiration time of over a month. Thus, unless your site's news software is ill-mannered, this posting should always be available. This WitDoDFAQ is crossposted to all four rec.motorcycles groups in an attempt to catch most new users, and followups are directed to rec.motorcycles. Last changed 9-Feb-93 to add a message from the KotL, and a bit of Halon. VERSION 1.1 This collection was originally assembled by Lissa Shoun, from the original postings. With Lissa's permission, I have usurped the title of KotWitDoDFAQ. Any corrections, additions, bribes, etc. should be aimed at blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Contents: How do I get a DoD number? by Blaine Gardner DoD #46 DoD ""Road Rider"" article by Bruce Tanner DoD #161 What is the DoD? by John Sloan DoD #11 The DoD Logo by Chuck Rogers DoD #3 The DoD (this started it all) by The Denizen of Doom DoD #1 The DoD Anthem by Jonathan Quist DoD #94 Why you have to be killed by Blaine Gardner DoD #46 The rec.moto.photo.archive courtesy of Bruce Tanner DoD #161 Patches? What patches? by Blaine Gardner DoD #46 Letter from the AMA museum by Jim Rogers, Director DoD #395 The DoD Rules by consensus Other rec.moto resources by various Keepers DoD #misc The rec.moto.reviews.archive courtesy of Loki Jorgenson DoD #1210 Updated stats & rides info by Ed Green (DoD #111) and others ------------------------------------------------------------------------ How do I get a DoD number? If the most Frequently Asked Question in rec.motorcycles is ""What is the DoD?"", then the second most Frequently Asked Question must be ""How do I get a DoD number?"" That is as simple as asking the Keeper of the List (KotL, accept no substitue Keepers) for a number. If you're feeling creative, and your favorite number hasn't been taken already, you can make a request, subject to KotL approval. (Warning, non-numeric, non- base-10 number requests are likely to earn a flame from the KotL. Not that you won't get it, but you _will_ pay for it.) Oh, and just one little, tiny suggestion. Ask the KotL in e-mail. You'll just be playing the lightning rod for flames if you post to the whole net, and you'll look like a clueless newbie too. By now you're probably asking ""So who's the KotL already?"". Well, as John Sloan notes below, that's about the only real ""secret"" left around here, but a few (un)subtle hints can be divulged. First, it is not myself, nor anyone mentioned by name in this posting (maybe :-), though John was the original KotL. Second, in keeping with the true spirit of Unix, the KotL's first name is only two letters long, and can be spelled entirely with hexadecimal characters. (2.5, the KotL shares his name with a line- oriented text utility.) Third, he has occasionally been seen posting messages bestowing new DoD numbers (mostly to boneheads with ""weenie mailers""). Fourth, there is reason to suspect the KotL of being a Dead-Head. ***************** Newsflash: A message from the KotL ****************** Once you have surmounted this intellectual pinnacle and electronically groveled to the KotL, please keep in mind that the KotL does indeed work for a living, and occasionally must pacify its boss by getting something done. Your request may languish in mailer queue for (gasp!) days, perhaps even (horrors!) a week or two. During such times of economic activity on the part of the KotL's employers, sending yet another copy of your request will not speed processing of the queue (it just makes it longer, verification of this phenominon is left as an excersize for the reader). If you suspect mailer problems, at least annotate subsequent requests with an indication that a former request was submitted, lest you be assigned multiple numbers (what, you think the KotL *memorizes* the list?!?). *********************************************************************** One more thing, the KotL says that its telepathic powers aren't what they used to be. So provide some information for the list, will ya? The typical DoD List entry contains number, name, state/country, & e-mail address. For example: 0111:Ed Green:CA:ed.green@East.Sun.COM (PS: While John mentions below that net access and a bike are the only requirements for DoD membership, that's not strictly true these days, as there are a number of Denizens who lack one or both.) Blaine (Dances With Bikers) Gardner blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Denizens of Doom"", by Bruce Tanner (DoD 0161) [Road Rider, August 1991, reprinted with Bruce's permission] There is a group of motorcyclists that gets together and does all the normal things that a bunch of bikers do. They discuss motorcycles and motorcycling, beverages, cleaning fluids, baklavah, balaclava, caltrops, helmets, anti-fog shields, spine protectors, aerodynamics, three-angle valve seats, bird hits, deer whistles, good restaurants, racing philosophy, traffic laws, tickets, corrosion control, personalities, puns, double entendres, culture, absence of culture, first rides and friendship. They argue with each other and plan rides together. The difference between this group and your local motorcycle club is that, although they get together just about everyday, most have never seen each other face to face. The members of this group live all over the known world and communicate with each other electronically via computer. The computers range from laptops to multi-million dollar computer centers; the people range from college and university students to high-tech industry professionals to public-access electronic bulletin-board users. Currently, rec.motorcycles (pronounced ""wreck-dot-motorcycles,"" it's the file name for the group's primary on-line ""meeting place"") carries about 2250 articles per month; it is read by an estimated 29,000 people. Most of the frequent posters belong to a motorcycle club, the Denizens of Doom, usually referred to as the DoD. The DoD started when motorcyclist John R. Nickerson wrote a couple of parodies designed to poke fun at motorcycle stereotypes. Fellow computer enthusiast Bruce Robinson posted these articles under the pen name, ""Denizen of Doom."" A while later Chuck Rogers signed off as DoD nr. 0003 Keeper of the Flame. Bruce was then designated DoD nr. 0002, retroactively and, of course, Nickerson, the originator of the parodies, was given DoD nr. 0001. The idea of a motorcycle club with no organization, no meetings and no rules appealed to many, so John Sloan -- DoD nr. 0011 -- became Keeper of the List, issuing DoD numbers to anyone who wanted one. To date there have been almost 400 memberships issued to people all over the United States and Canada, as well as Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Norway and Finland. Keeper of the List Sloan eventually designed a club patch. The initial run of 300 patches sold out immediately. The profits from this went to the American Motorcycle Heritage Foundation. Another AMHF fund raiser -- selling Denizens of Doom pins to members -- was started by Arnie Skurow a few months later. Again, the project was successful and the profits were donated to the foundation. So far, the Denizens have contributed over $1500 to the AMA museum. A plaque in the name of the Denizens of Doom now hangs in the Motorcycle Heritage Museum. As often as possible, the DoD'ers crawl out from behind their CRTs and go riding together. It turns out that the two largest concentrations of DoD'ers are centered near Denver/Boulder, Colorado, and in California's ""Silicon Valley."" Consequently, two major events are the annual Assault on Rollins Pass in Colorado, and the Northern versus Southern California ""Joust."" The Ride-and-Feed is a bike trip over Rollins Pass, followed by a big barbecue dinner. The concept for the Joust is to have riders from Northern California ride south; riders from Southern California to ride north, meeting at a predesignated site somewhere in the middle. An additional plan for 1991 is to hold an official Denizens of Doom homecoming in conjunction with the AMA heritage homecoming in Columbus, Ohio, in July. Though it's a safe bet the the Denizens of Doom and their collective communications hub, rec.motorcycles, will not replace the more traditional motorcycle organizations, for those who prowl the electronic pathways in search of two-wheeled camaraderie, it's a great way for kindred spirits to get together. Long may they flame. ""Live to Flame -- Flame to Live"" [centerbar] This official motto of the Denizens of Doom refers to the ease with which you can gratuitously insult someone electronically, when you would not do anything like that face to face. These insults are known as ""flames""; issuing them is called ""flaming."" Flames often start when a member disagrees with something another member has posted over the network. A typical, sophisticated, intelligent form of calm, reasoned rebuttal would be something like: ""What an incredibly stupid statement, you Spandex-clad poseur!"" This will guarantee that five other people will reply in defense of the original poster, describing just what they think of you, your riding ability and your cat. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _The Denizens of Doom: The Saga Unfolds_ by John Sloan DoD #0011 Periodically the question ""What is DoD?"" is raised. This is one of those questions in the same class as ""Why is the sky blue?"", ""If there is a God, why is there so much suffering in the world?"" and ""Why do women inevitably tell you that you're such a nice guy just before they dump you?"", the kinds of questions steeped in mysticism, tradition, and philosophy, questions that have inspired research and discussion by philosophers in locker rooms, motorcycle service bays, and in the halls of academe for generations. A long, long time ago (in computer time, where anything over a few minutes is an eternity and the halting problem really is a problem) on a computer far, far away on the net (topologically speaking; two machines in the same room in Atlanta might route mail to one another via a system in Chicago), a chap who wished to remain anonymous (but who was eventually assigned the DoD membership #1) wrote a satire of the various personalities and flame wars of rec.motorcycles, and signed it ""The Denizen of Doom"". Not wishing to identify himself, he asked that stalwart individual who would in the fullness of time become DoD #2 to post it for him. DoD #2, not really giving a whit about what other people thought and generally being a right thinking individual, did so. Flaming and other amusements followed. He who would become the holder of DoD membership #3 thought this was the funniest thing he'd seen in a while (being the sort that is pretty easily amused), so he claimed membership in the Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club, and started signing his postings with his membership number. Perhaps readers of rec.motorcycles were struck with the vision of a motorcycle club with no dues, no rules, no restrictions as to brand or make or model or national origin of motorcycle, a club organized electronically. It may well be that readers were yearning to become a part of something that would provide them with a greater identity, a gestalt personality, something in which the whole was greater than the sum of its parts. It could also be that we're all computer nerds who wear black socks and sneakers and pocket protectors, who just happen to also love taking risks on machines with awesome power to weight ratios, social outcasts who saw a clique that would finally be open minded enough to accept us as members. In a clear case of self fulfilling prophesy, The Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club was born. A club in which the majority of members have never met one another face to face (and perhaps like it that way), yet feel that they know one another pretty well (or well enough given some of the electronic personalities in the newsgroup). A club organized and run (in the loosest sense of the word) by volunteers through the network via electronic news and mail, with a membership/mailing list (often used to organize group rides amongst members who live in the same region), a motto, a logo, a series of photo albums circulating around the country (organized by DoD #9), club patches (organized by #11), and even an MTV-style music video (produced by #47 and distributed on VHS by #18)! Where will it end? Who knows? Will the DoD start sanctioning races, placing limits on the memory and clock rate of the on-board engine management computers? Will the DoD organize poker runs where each participant collects a hand of hardware and software reference cards? Will the DoD have a rally in which the attendees demand a terminal room and at least a 386-sized UNIX system? Only time will tell. The DoD has no dues, no rules, and no requirements other than net access and a love for motorcycles. To become a member, one need only ask (although we will admit that who you must ask is one of the few really good club secrets). New members will receive via email a membership number and the latest copy of the membership list, which includes name, state, and email address. The Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club will live forever (or at least until next year when we may decided to change the name). Live to Flame - Flame to Live ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The DoD daemon as seen on the patches, pins, etc. by Chuck Rogers, car377@druhi.att.com, DoD #0003 :-( DoD )-: :-( x __ __ x )-: :-( x / / \ \ x )-: :-( x / / -\-----/- \ \ x )-: :-( L | \/ \ / \/ | F )-: :-( I | / \ / \ | L )-: :-( V \/ __ / __ \/ A )-: :-( E / / \ / \ \ M )-: :-( | | \ / | | E )-: :-( T | | . | _ | . | | )-: :-( O | \___// \\___/ | T )-: :-( \ \_/ / O )-: :-( F \___ ___/ )-: :-( L \ \ / / L )-: :-( A \ vvvvv / I )-: :-( M | ( ) | V )-: :-( E | ^^^^^ | E )-: :-( x \_______/ x )-: :-( x x )-: :-( x rec.motorcycles x )-: :-( USENET )-: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The DoD by the Denizen of Doom DoD #1 Welcome one and all to the flamingest, most wonderfullest newsgroup of all time: wreck.mudder-disciples or is it reak.mudder-disciples? The Names have been changes to protect the Guilty (riders) and Innocent (the bikes) alike. If you think you recognize a contorted version of your name, you don't. It's just your guilt complex working against you. Read 'em and weep. We tune in on a conversation between some of our heros. Terrible Barbarian is extolling the virtues of his Hopalonga Puff-a-cane to Reverend Muck Mudgers and Stompin Fueling-Injection: Terrible: This Hopalonga is the greatest... Beats BMWs dead!! Muck: I don't mean to preach, Terrible, but lighten up on the BMW crowd eh? I mean like I like riding my Yuka-yuka Fudgeo-Jammer 11 but what the heck. Stompin: No way, the BMW is it, complete, that's all man. Terrible: Nahhhh, you're sounding like Heritick Ratatnack! Hey, at least he is selling his BMW and uses a Hopalonga Intercorruptor! Not as good as a Puff-a-cane, should have been called a Woosh-a-stream. Stompin: You mean Wee-Stream. Terrible: Waddya going to do? Call in reinforcements??? Stompin: Yehh man. Here comes Arlow Scarecrow and High Tech. Let's see what they say, eh? Muck: Now men, let's try to be civil about this. High Tech: Hi, I'm a 9 and the BMW is the greatest. Arlow: Other than my B.T. I love my BMW! Terrible: B.T.??? Arlow: Burley Thumpison, the greatest all American ride you can own. Muck: Ahhh, look, you're making Terrible gag. Terrible: What does BMW stand for anyway??? Muck, Arlow, High: Beats Me, Wilhelm. Terrible: Actually, my name is Terrible. Hmmm, I don't know either. Muck: Say, here comes Chunky Bear. Chunky: Hey, Hey, Hey! Smarter than your average bear! Terrible: Hey, didn't you drop your BMW??? Chunky: All right eh, a little BooBoo, but I left him behind. I mean even Villy Ogle flamed me for that! Muck: It's okay, we all makes mistakes. Out of the blue the West coasters arrive, led by Tread Orange with Dill Snorkssy, Heritick Ratatnack, Buck Garnish, Snob Rasseller and the perenial favorite: Hooter Boobin Brush! Heritick: Heya Terrible, how's yer front to back bias? Terrible: Not bad, sold yer BMW? Heritick: Nahhh. Hooter: Hoot, Hoot. Buck: Nice tree Hooter, how'd ya get up there? Hooter: Carbujectors from Hell!!! Muck: What's a carbujector? Hooter: Well, it ain't made of alumican!!! Made by Tilloslert!! Muck: Ahh, come on down, we aren't going to flame ya, honest!! Dill: Well, where do we race? Snob: You know, Chunky, we know about about your drop and well, don't ride! Muck: No! No! Quiet! Tread: BMW's are the greatest in my supreme level headed opinion. They even have luggage made by Sourkraut! High: My 9 too! Terrible, Heritick, Dill, Buck: Nahhhhh!!! Stompin, Tread, High, Chunky, Snob: Yesss Yessssss!!! Before this issue could be resolved the Hopalonga crew called up more cohorts from the local area including Polyanna Stirrup and the infamous Booster Robiksen on his Cavortin! Polyanna: Well, men, the real bikers use stirrups on their bikes like I use on my Hopalonga Evening-Bird Special. Helpful for getting it up on the ole ventral stand! Terrible: Hopalonga's are great like Polyanna says and Yuka-Yuka's and Sumarikis and Kersnapis are good too! Booster: I hate Cavortin. All: WE KNOW, WE KNOW. Booster: I love Cavortin. All: WE KNOW WE KNOW. Muck: Well, what about Mucho Guzlers and Lepurras? Snob, Tread: Nawwwwww. Muck: What about a Tridump? Terrible: Isn't that a chewing gum? Muck: Auggggg, Waddda about a Pluck-a-kity? Heritick: Heyya Muck, you tryin' to call up the demon rider himself? Muck: No, no. There is more to Mudder-Disciples than arguing about make. Two more riders zoom in, in the form of Pill Turret and Phalanx Lifter. Pill: Out with dorsal stands and ventral stands forever. Phalanx: Hey, I don't know about that. And Now even more west coasters pour in. Road O'Noblin: Hopalonga's are the greatest! Maulled Beerstein: May you sit on a bikejector! Suddenly more people arrived from the great dark nurth: Kite Lanolin: Hey, BMW's are great, men. Robo-Nickie: I prefer motorcycle to robot transformers, personally. More riders from the west coast come into the discussion: Aviator Sourgas: Get a Burley-Thumpison with a belted-rigged frame. Guess Gasket: Go with a BMW or Burley-Thumpison. With a roar and a screech the latest mudder-disciple thundered in. It was none other that Clean Bikata on her Hopalonga CaBammerXorn. Clean: Like look, Hopalonga are it but only CaBammerXorns. Muck: Why?? Clean: Well, like it's gotta be a 6-banger or nothin. Muck: But I only have a 4-banger. Clean: No GOOD! Chunky: Sob, some of us only have 2-bangers! Clean: Inferior! Stompin: Hey, look, here's proof BMW's are better. The Bimmer-Boys burst into song: (singing) Beemer Babe, Beemer Babe give me a thrill... Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Wadddoes BMW stand for? Heritick, Stompin, Snob, Chunky, Tread, Kite, High, Arlow: BEAT'S ME, WILHEM! Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Oh, don't you mean BMW? And so the ensuing argument goes until the skies clouded over and the thunder roared and the Greatest Mudder-Disciple (G.M.D.) of them all boomed out. G.M.D.: Enough of your bickering! You are doomed to riding Bigot & Suction powered mini-trikes for your childish actions. All: no, No, NO!!! Puhlease. Does this mean that all of the wreck.mudder-disciples will be riding mini-trikes? Are our arguing heros doomed? Tune in next week for the next gut wretching episode of ""The Yearning and Riderless"" with its ever increasing cast of characters. Where all technical problems will be flamed over until well done. Next week's episode will answer the question of: ""To Helmet or Not to Helmet"" will be aired, this is heady material and viewer discretion is advised. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Script for the Denizens of Doom Anthem Video by Jonathan E. Quist DoD #94 [Scene: A sterile engineering office. A lone figure, whom we'll call Chuck, stands by a printer output bin, wearing a white CDC lab coat, with 5 mechanical pencils in a pocket protector.] (editor's note: For some reason a great deal of amusement was had at the First Annual DoD Uni-Coastal Ironhorse Ride & Joust by denizens referring to each other as ""Chuck"". I guess you had to be there. I wasn't.) Chuck: I didn't want to be a Software Systems Analyst, cow-towing to the whims of a machine, and saying yessir, nosir, may-I-have-another-sir. My mother made me do it. I wanted to live a man's life, [Music slowly builds in background] riding Nortons and Triumphs through the highest mountain passes and the deepest valleys, living the life of a Motorcyclist; doing donuts and evading the police; terrorizing old ladies and raping small children; eating small dogs for tea (and large dogs for dinner). In short, I Want to be A Denizen! [Chuck rips off his lab coat, revealing black leather jacket (with fringe), boots, and cap. Scene simultaneously changes to the top of an obviously assaulted Rollins Pass. A small throng of Hell's Angels sit on their Harleys in the near background, gunning their engines, showering lookers-on with nails as they turn donuts, and leaking oil on the tarmac. Chuck is standing in front of a heavily chromed Fat Boy.] Chuck [Sings to the tune of ""The Lumberjack Song""]: I'm a Denizen and I'm okay, I flame all night and I ride all day. [Hell's Angels Echo Chorus, surprisingly heavy on tenors]: He's a Denizen and he's okay, He flames all night and he rides all day. I ride my bike; I eat my lunch; I go to the lavat'ry. On Wednesdays I ride Skyline, Running children down with glee. [Chorus]: He rides his bike; He eats his lunch; He goes to the lavat'ry. On Wednesdays he rides Skyline, Running children down with glee. [Chorus refrain]: 'Cause He's a Denizen... I ride real fast, My name is Chuck, It somehow seems to fit. I over-rate the worst bad f*ck, But like a real good sh*t. Oh, I'm a Denizen and I'm okay! I flame all night and I ride all day. [Chorus refrain]: Oh, He's a Denizen... I wear high heels And bright pink shorts, full leathers and a bra. I wish I rode a Harley, just like my dear mama. [Chorus refrain] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Why you have to be killed. Well, the first thing you have to understand (just in case you managed to read this far, and still not figure it out) is that the DoD started as a joke. And in the words of one Denizen, it intends to remain one. Sometime in the far distant past, a hapless newbie asked: ""What does DoD stand for? It's not the Department of Defense is it?"" Naturally, a Denizen who had watched the movie ""Top Gun"" a few times too many rose to the occasion and replied: ""That's classified, we could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you."" And the rest is history. A variation on the ""security"" theme is to supply disinformation about what DoD stands for. Notable contributions (and contributers, where known) include: Daughters of Democracy (DoD 23) Doers of Donuts Dancers of Despair (DoD 9) Debasers of Daughters Dickweeds of Denver Driveway of Death Debauchers of Donuts Dumpers of Dirtbikes Note that this is not a comprehensive list, as variations appear to be limited only by the contents of one's imagination or dictionary file. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The rec.moto.photo archive First a bit of history, this all started with Ilana Stern and Chuck Rogers organizing a rec.motorcycles photo album. Many copies were made, and several sets were sent on tours around the world, only to vanish in unknown locations. Then Bruce Tanner decided that it would be appropriate for an electronic medium to have an electronic photo album. Bruce has not only provided the disk space and ftp & e-mail access, but he has taken the time to scan most of the photos that are available from the archive. Not only can you see what all these folks look like, you can also gawk at their motorcycles. A few non-photo files are available from the server too, they include the DoD membership list, the DoD Yellow Pages, the general rec.motorcycles FAQ, and this FAQ posting. Here are a couple of excerpts from from messages Bruce posted about how to use the archive. ********************************************************** Via ftp: cerritos.edu [130.150.200.21] Via e-mail: The address is server@cerritos.edu. The commands are given in the body of the message. The current commands are DIR and SEND, given one per line. The arguments to the commands are VMS style file specifications. For rec.moto.photo the file spec is [DOD]file. For example, you can send: dir [dod] send [dod]bruce_tanner.gif send [dod]dodframe.ps and you'll get back 5 mail messages; a directory listing, 3 uuencoded parts of bruce_tanner.gif, and the dodframe.ps file in ASCII. Oh, wildcards (*) are allowed, but a maximum of 20 mail messages (rounded up to the next whole file) are send. A 'send [dod]*.gif' would send 150 files of 50K each; not a good idea. -- Bruce Tanner (213) 860-2451 x 596 Tanner@Cerritos.EDU Cerritos College Norwalk, CA cerritos!tanner ********************************************************** A couple of comments: Bruce has put quite a bit of effort into this, so why not drop him a note if you find the rec.moto.photo archive useful? Second, since Bruce has provided the server as a favor, it would be kind of you to access it after normal working hours (California time). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patches? What patches? You may have heard mention of various DoD trinkets such as patches & pins. And your reaction was probably: ""I want!"", or ""That's sick!"", or perhaps ""That's sick! I want!"" Well, there's some good news and some bad news. The good news is that there's been an amazing variety of DoD-labeled widgets created. The bad news is that there isn't anywhere you can buy any of them. This isn't because of any ""exclusivity"" attempt, but simply because there is no ""DoD store"" that keeps a stock. All of the creations have been done by individual Denizens out of their own pockets. The typical procedure is someone says ""I'm thinking of having a DoD frammitz made, they'll cost $xx.xx, with $xx.xx going to the AMA museum. Anyone want one?"" Then orders are taken, and a batch of frammitzes large enough to cover the pre-paid orders is produced (and quickly consumed). So if you want a DoD doodad, act quickly the next time somebody decides to do one. Or produce one yourself if you see a void that needs filling, after all this is anarchy in action. Here's a possibly incomplete list of known DoD merchandise (and perpetrators). Patches (DoD#11), pins (DoD#99), stickers (DoD#99), motorcycle license plate frames (DoD#216), t-shirts (DoD#99), polo shirts (DoD#122), Zippo lighters (DoD#99) [LtF FtL], belt buckles (DoD#99), and patches (DoD#99) [a second batch was done (and rapidly consumed) by popular demand]. All ""profits"" have been donated to the American Motorcyclist Association Motorcycle Heritage Museum. As of June 1992, over $5500 dollars has been contributed to the museum fund by the DoD. If you visit the museum, you'll see a large plaque on the Founders' Wall in the name of ""Denizens of Doom, USENET, The World"", complete with a DoD pin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here's a letter from the AMA to the DoD regarding our contributions. ~Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles ~From: Arnie Skurow ~Subject: A letter from the Motorcycle Heritage Museum ~Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:04:58 GMT I received the following letter from Jim Rogers, director of the Museum, the other day. ""Dear Arnie and all members of the Denizens of Doom: Congratulations and expressions of gratitude are in order for you and the Denizens of Doom! With your recent donation, the total amount donated is now $5,500. On behalf of the AMHF, please extend my heartfeld gratitude to all the membership of the Denizens. The club's new plaque is presently being prepared. Of course, everyone is invited to come to the museum to see the plaque that will be installed in our Founders Foyer. By the way, I will personally mount a Denizens club pin on the plaque. Again, thank you for all your support, which means so much to the foundation, the museum, and the fulfillment of its goals. Sincerely, Jim Rogers, D.O.D. #0395 Director P.S. Please post on your computer bulletin board."" As you all know, even though the letter was addressed to me personally, it was meant for all of you who purchased DoD goodies that made this amount possible. Arnie ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Rules, Regulations, & Bylaws of the Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club From time to time there is some mention, discussion, or flame about the rules of the DoD. In order to fan the flames, here is the complete text of the rules governing the DoD. Rule #1. There are no rules. Rule #0. Go ride. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Other rec.motorcycles information resources. There are several general rec.motorcycles resources that may or may not have anything to do with the DoD. Most are posted on a regular basis, but they can also be obtained from the cerritos ftp/e-mail server (see the info on the photo archive above). A general rec.motorcycles FAQ is maintained by Dave Williams. Cerritos filenames are FAQn.TXT, where n is currently 1-5. The DoD Yellow Pages, a listing of motorcycle industry vendor phone numbers & addresses, is maintained by bob pakser. Cerritos filename is YELLOW_PAGES_Vnn, where n is the rev. number. The List of the DoD membership is maintained by The Keeper of the List. Cerritos filename is DOD.LIST. This WitDoD FAQ (surprise, surprise!) is maintained by yours truly. Cerritos filename is DOD_FAQ.TXT. Additions, corrections, etc. for any of the above should be aimed at the keepers of the respective texts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (Loki Jorgenson loki@Physics.McGill.CA) has provided an archive site for motorcycle and accessory reviews, here's an excerpt from his periodic announcement. ********************************************************** The Rec.Motorcycles.Reviews Archives (and World Famous Llama Emporium) contains a Veritable Plethora (tm) of bike (and accessories) reviews, written by rec.moto readers based on their own experiences. These invaluable gems of opinion (highly valued for their potential to reduce noise on the list) can be accessed via anonymous FTP, Email server or by personal request: Anonymous FTP: ftp.physics.mcgill.ca (132.206.9.13) under ~ftp/pub/DoD Email archive server: rm-reviews@ftp.physics.mcgill.ca Review submissions/questions: rm-reviews@physics.mcgill.ca NOTE: There is a difference in the addresses for review submission and using the Email archive server (ie. an ""ftp.""). To get started with the Email server, send an Email message with a line containing only ""send help"". NOTE: If your return address appears like domain!subdomain!host!username in your mail header, include a line like (or something similar) path username@host.subdomain.domain If you are interested in submitting a review of a bike that you already own(ed), PLEASE DO! There is a template of the format that the reviews are kept in (more or less) available at the archive site . For those who have Internet access but are unsure of how anonymous FTP works, an example script is available on request. ********************************************************** Reviews of any motorcycle related accessory or widget are welcome too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Updated stats & rec.motorcycles rides info Some of the info cited above in various places tends to be a moving target. Rather than trying to catch every occurence, I'm just sticking the latest info down here. Estimated rec.motorcycles readership: 35K [news.groups] Approximate DoD Membership: 975 [KotL] DoD contributions to the American Motorcyclist Association Motorcycle Heritage Museum. Over $5500 [Arnie] Organized (?) Rides: Summer 1992 saw more organized rides, with the Joust in its third year, and the Ride & Feed going strong, but without the Rollins Pass trip due to the collapse of a tunnel. The East Coast Denizens got together for the Right Coast Ride (RCR), with bikers from as far north as NH, and as far south as FL meeting in the Blueridge Mountains of North Carolina. The Pacific Northwest crew organized the first Great Pacific Northwest Dryside Gather (GPNDG), another successful excuse for riding motorcycles, and seeing the faces behind the names we all have come to know so well. [Thanks to Ed Green for the above addition.] Also worth mentioning are: The first rec.moto.dirt ride, held in the Moab/Canyonlands area of southern Utah. Riders from 5 states showed up, riding everything from monster BMWs to itty-bitty XRs to almost-legal 2-strokes. And though it's not an ""official"" (as if anything could be official with this crowd) rec.moto event, the vintage motorcycle races in Steamboat Springs, Colorado always provides a good excuse for netters to gather. There's also been the occasional Labor Day gather in Utah. European Denizens have staged some gathers too. (Your ad here, reasonable rates!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g@bix.com FJ1200 Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted. DoD#46 -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108 blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com BIX: blaine_g@bix.com FJ1200 Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted. DoD#46 ";-1;0 "From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) Subject: Re: Christian's need for Christianity Lines: 44 In article , lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes: > In article << < For example: why does the universe exist at all? > > .. > I find this view of Christianity to be quite disheartening and sad. > The idea that life only has meaning or importance if there is a Creator > does not seem like much of a basis for belief. Please forgive all the inclusions. I suppose they are neccessary to follow the argument. My point is that ""if life has meaning or importance then we should try to find that meaning or importance"" which is almost a tautology. (I hope I'm not being too patronizing.) One term for that meaning is ""Creator"", though that is not obvious from my above argument. > And the logic is also appalling: ""God must exist because I want Him to."" (It's more like ""I think, therefore I am, therefore God is."") > I have heard this line of ""reasoning"" before and wonder how prevalent > it is. Certainly in modern society many people are convinced life is > hopeless (or so the pollsters and newscasts state), but I don't see > where this is a good reason to become religious. If you want 'meaning' > why not just join a cult, such as in Waco? The leaders will give you > the security blanket you desire. Unfortunately the term ""religious"" is ambiguous to me in this context. I could say that searching for meaning in life is by definition being religious. I could say cult followers by definition have given up on the search. If you want ""meaning"" why not search for the truth? So far, my understanding of Christianity is congruent with my understanding of truth. There have been many before me who have come to conclusions that are worded in ways that make sense to me. By no means does that imply that I understand everything. Chris Mussack ";17;1 "From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) Subject: Re: cause Lines: 38 trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: >norris@athena.mit.edu writes: > [some stuff deleted] >> Fortunately for the convenience of us believers, there is a class of >> questions that can never be reduced away by natural science. For >> example: why does the universe exist at all? > >Must there be a ""why"" to this? I ask because of what you also > assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no ""why"" > to His existence. So the question is reversed, ""Why can't > we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to > ""just exist""? Why must there be a ""why"" to the universe?"" [remainder of message deleted] Pardon me for replying to only a portion of your message :) The reason we can say ""God just exists"" and can't say ""The universe just exists"" is because the universe is a natural realm and is subject to natural laws in general and the law of cause and effect in particular. That is, we observe in nature that every cause has an effect, and every effect was produced by a cause. The existence of the natural realm, as an effect itself, cannot be its own cause; it must therefore have a supernatural cause. God, on the other hand, is a supernatural being, and is therefore not subject to such natural laws as the law of cause and effect. As a supernatural being, God's eternal existence does not imply a previous cause the way the existence of a physical, natural cosmos does. Thus, those who believe in the supernatural have a valid basis for accepting the existence of uncaused phenomena such as the eternal God, whereas those who deny the existence of the supernatural are faced with the dilemma of a physical universe whose very nature shows that it is not sufficient to explain its own existence. This is, of course, an oversimplification of a complex topic, but I just wanted to clarify some important differences between the supernatural (God) and the natural (the universe), since you seem to mistake them as being interchangeable. - Mark ";-1;0 "From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: ""Conventional Proposales"": Israel & Palestinians Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 117 In article <2BCA3DC0.13224@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: > >The latest Israeli ""proposal"", first proposed in February of 1992, contains >the following assumptions concerning the nature of any ""interim status"" refering to the WB and Gaza, the Palestinians, implemented by negotiations. It >states that: > >Israel will remain the existing source of authority until ""final status"" > is agreed upon; > >Israel will negiotiate the delegation of power to the organs of the > Interim Self-Government Arrangements (ISGA); > >The ISGA will apply to the ""Palestinian inhabitants of the territories"" > under Israeli military administration. The arrangements will not have a > territorial application, nor will they apply to the Israeli population > of the territories or to the Palestinian inhabitants of Jerusalem; > >Residual powers not delegated under the ISGA will be reserved by Israel; > >Israelis will continue to live and settle in the territoriesd; > >Israel alone will have responsibility for security in all its aspects- > external, internal- and for the maintenance of public order; > >The organs of the ISGA will be of an administrative-functional nature; > >The exercise of powers under the ISGA will be subject to cooperation and > coordination with Israel. > >Israel will negotiate delegation of powers and responsibilities in the > areas of administration, justice, personnel, agriculture, education, > business, tourism, labor and social welfare, local police, > local transportation and communications, municipal affairs and religious > affairs. > >The Palestinian counterproposal of March 1992: > >The establishment of a Palestinian Interim Self-Governing Authority > (PISGA) whose authority is vested by the Palestinian people; > >Its (PISGA) powers cannot be delegated by Israel; > >In the interim phase the Israeli military government and civil adminis- > tration will be abolished, and the PISGA will asume the powers previous- > ly enjoyed by Israel; > >There will be no limitations on its (PISGA) powers and responsibilities > ""except those which derive from its character as an interim arrangement""; > >By the time PISGA is inaugurated, the Israeli armed forces will have > completed their withdrawal to agreed points along the borders of the > Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT). The OPT includes Jerusalem; > >The jurisdiction of the PISGA shall extend to all of the OPT, including > its land, water and air space; > >The PISGA shall have legislative powers to enact, amend and abrogate laws; > >It will wield executive power withput foreign control; > >It shall determine the nature of its cooperation with any state or > international body, and shall be empowered to conclude binding coopera- > tive agreements free of any control by Israel; > >The PISGA shall administer justice throughout the OPT and will have sole > and exclusive jruisdiction; > >It will have a strong police force responsible for security and public > order in the OPT; > >It can request the assistance of a UN peacekeeping force; > >Disputes with Israel over self-governing arrangements will be settled by > a committee composed of representatives of the five permanent members of > the UN Security Council, the Secretary General (of the UN), the PISGA, > Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Israel. > >But perhaps the ""bargaining"" attitude behind these very different visions >of the ""interim stage"" is wrong? For two reasons: 1) the present Palestinian >and Israeli leadership are *as moderate* as is likely to exist for many years, >so the present opportunity may be the last for a significant period, 2) since >these negotiations *are not* designed to, or even attempting to, resolve the >conflict, attention to issues dealing with a desired ""final status"" are mis- >placed and potentially destructive. > >Given this, how should proposals (from either side) be altered to temper >their ""maximalist"" approaches as stated above? How can Israeli worries ,and >desire for some ""interim control"", be addressed while providing for a very >*real* interim Palestinian self-governing entity? > >Tim > April 13, 1993 response by Al Moore (L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM): Basically the problem is that Israel may remain, or leave, the occupied territories; it cannot do both, it cannot do neither. So far, Israe continues to propose that they remain. The Palestinians propose that they leave. Why should either change their view? It is worth pointing out that the only area of compromise accomodating both views seems to require a reduction in the Israeli presence. Israel proposes no such reduction.... and in fact may be said to *not* be negotiating. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim: There seem to be two perceptions that **have to be addressed**. The first is that of Israel, where there is little trust for Arab groups, so there is little support for Israel giving up **tangible** assets in exchange for pieces of paper, ""expectations"", ""hopes"", etc. The second is that of the Arab world/Palestinians, where there is the demand that these ""tangible concessions"" be made by Israel **without** it receiving anything **tangible** back. Given this, the gap between the two stances seems to be the need by Israel of receiving some ***tangible*** returns for its expected concessions. By ""tangible"" is meant something that 1) provides Israel with ""comparable"" protection (from the land it is to give up), 2) in some way ensures that the Arab states and Palestine **will be** accountable and held actively (not just ""diplomatically) responsible for the upholding of all actions on its territory (by citizens or ""visitors""). In essence I do not believe that Israel objections to Palestinian statehood would be anywhere near as strong as they are now IF Israel was assured that any new Palestinian state *would be committed to** co-existing with Israel and held responsible for ALL attacks on Israel from its territory. Aside from some of the rather slanted proposals above, how *could* such ""guarantees"" be instilled? For example, how could such ""guarantees""/""controls"" be added to the Palestinian PISGA proposals? Israel is hanging on largely because it is scared stiff that the minute it lets go (gives lands back to Arab states, no more ""buffer zone"", gives full autonomy to Palestinians), ANY and/or ALL of the Arab parties could (and *would*, if not ""controlled"" somehow) EASILY return to the traditional anti-Israel position. The question then is HOW to *really* ensure that that will not happen. Tim ";-1;0 "From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Re: Could this be a migraine? Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 31 GB> From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) GB> >(I am excepting migraine, which is arguably neurologic). GB> I hope you meant ""inarguably"". Given the choice, I would rather argue . No arguments about migranous aura; in fact, current best evidence is that aura is intrinsicially neuronal (a la spreading depression of Leao) rather than vascular (something causing vasoconstriction and secondary neuronal ischemia). Migraine without aura, however, is a fuzzier issue. There do not seem to be objectively measurable changes in brain function. The Copenhagen mafia (Lauritzen, Olesen, et al) have done local CBF studies on migraine without aura, and (unlike migraine with aura, but like tension-type) they found no changes in LCBF. From one (absurd) perspective, *all* pain is neurologic, because in the absence of a nervous system, there would not be pain. From another (tautologic) perspective, any disease is in the domain of the specialty that treats it. Neurologists treat headache, therefore (at least in the USA) headache is neurologic. Whether neurologic or not, nobody would disagree that disabling headaches are common. Perhaps my fee-for-service neurologic colleagues, scrounging for cases, want all the headache patients they can get. Working on a salary, however, I would rather not fill my office with patients holding their heads in pain. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) ";4;1 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Societal basis for morality Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 18 In article , cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) wrote: > we have to expect others to follow our notion of societally mandated morality? > Pardon the extremism, but couldn't I murder your ""brother"" and say that I was > exercising my rights as I saw them, was doing what felt good, didn't want > anyone forcing their morality on me, or I don't follow your ""morality"" ? Good statement! Should we apply empirical measurements to define exact social morals? Should morals be based on social rules? On ancient religious doctrines? It seems there will *NEVER* be a common and single denominator for defining morals, and as such defining absolute and objective morals is doomed to fail as long as humans have this incredible talent of creative thinking. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: tims@megatek.com (Tim Scott) Subject: Re: RFD: misc.taoism Reply-To: tims@megatek.com Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California Lines: 72 In article <79899@cup.portal.com> Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes: I would like to add my support for a misc.taoism discussion group. I applaud the enthusiam shown by the person posting <79899@cup.portal.com> ""Thyagi@cup.portal.com"" (I read in alt.magick), but I differ with him/her in believing that at least some minimal parameters should be agreed upon. Thyagi wrote: > I recommend that the depth of generality, indeed, of AMBIGUITY, in this > newsgroup (misc.taoism) be maximized. Calling the Tradition old or new > is rather unnecessary, and only leads to foolish squabbles. There is no > doubt that Nature is a splendid teacher, whether she appears in the words > spoken by a tree or by a stream, a microbe or a star. Let us not limit > 'misc.taoism' to 'philosophy'. But if we don't limit it to *something*, the discussion degenerates into a big amorphous glob. Other questions Thyagi proposes are: > 1) What is this 'actual process of reality'? > 2) Why is Taoism based upon an assumption? > 3) Why does this assumption concern knowledge and what can be known? > 4) What is the value of not knowing? > 5) What is 'a Tao'? What does it mean to be 'Tao'd'? It seems to me that these questions more properly fall into the category of ""general metaphysics"". I would prefer any misc.taoism to deal more closely with topics and works more closely associated with at least ""semi-orthodox"" Taoism: with established classic works definitely included and works like Mantak Chia's argued about! I think ""neo-Taoism"" should be excluded or get its own group (what I mean by this is ""Humpty-Dumpty Taoism"", in which Taoism means whatever a poster says it means.) This ""alt.taoism"" could also be a refuge for debates about what ""Taoism *REALLY* means"" or speculations on sexual alchemy, etc.. e.g. (from Thyagi again): > Taoism does what the hell it wants, I tell you. > Taoism doesn't exist. 'Taoism' is no more real that 'Tao'. Decide, now. > Real or not real? Exist or not-exist? When shall we be certain Kent gloomily predicts (quoting from Thyagi's article): > However most traffic in > the group will likely concern the philosophical, secular taoism > averred by Alan Watts and Niels Bohr, and yogic taoism as it pertains > to medical, sexual and martial techniques. I think that discussions of this nature are not completely out of place. What's happening is that that the term ""Taoism"" is becoming completely polluted and trivialized like the words ""magic"", ""Alchemy"", ""Zen,"" etc., by writers appropriating the word to mean whatever they want. This is seen by the spate of new age books entitled ""The Tao of"" this, that, and everything else. (With respect to some exceptions like the books by Jou, Tsung-Hwa.) Any other comments/ideas? I look forward to seeing them. On balance, I say let misc.taoism rip and let the chips fall where they may. If it just gets filled up with college freshmen asking about the Tao of Sex then it will have been a failure and people will post to these groups just as they do now. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim P. Scott sending from: Megatek Corporation (619)455-5590 ext.2610 9645 Scranton Rd. San Diego, CA 92121-3782 USA FAX: (619)453-7603 Internet: tims@megatek.com [or] ...uunet!megatek!tims ";-1;0 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: End of the Space Age? Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Oddly, enough, The smithsonian calls the lindbergh years the golden age of flight. I would call it the granite years, reflecting the primitive nature of it. It was romantic, swashbuckling daredevils, ""those daring young men in their flying machines"". But in reality, it sucked. Death was a highly likely occurence, and the environment blew. Ever see the early navy pressure suits, they were modified diving suits. You were ready to star in ""plan 9 from outer space"". Radios and Nav AIds were a joke, and engines ran on castor oil. They picked and called aviators ""men with iron stomachs"", and it wasn't due to vertigo. Oddly enough, now we are in the golden age of flight. I can hop the shuttle to NY for $90 bucks, now that's golden. Mercury gemini, and apollo were romantic, but let's be honest. Peeing in bags, having plastic bags glued to your butt everytime you needed a bowel movement. Living for days inside a VW Bug. Romantic, but not commercial. The DC-X points out a most likely new golden age. An age where fat cigar smoking business men in loud polyester space suits will fill the skys with strip malls and used space ship lots. hhhmmmmm, maybe i'll retract that golden age bit. Maybe it was better in the old days. Of course, then we'll have wally schirra telling his great grand children, ""In my day, we walked on the moon. Every day. Miles. no buses. you kids got it soft"". pat ";-1;0 "From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Camping question? Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 46 Sanjay Sinha, on the 12 Apr 93 00:23:19 GMT wibbled: : Thanks to everyone who posted in my previous quest for camping info.. : Another question. : Well, not strictly r.m. stuff : I am looking for a thermos/flask to keep coffee hot. I mean real : hot! Of course it must be the unbreakable type. So far, what ever : metal type I have wasted money on has not matched the vacuum/glass : type. : Any info appreciated. : Sanjay Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up water from a 12V source. It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my RD350B. It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs above 7000. Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement. It made for interesting cups of coffee, anyhow. We would plot routes that contained straights of over three miles so that we had sufficient time to get the water to boiling point. This is sometimes difficult in England. Good luck on your quest. -- Nick (the Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| ";-1;0 "From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: From Israeli press. Madness. Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Lines: 165 In article <1483500342@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research writes: > > From: Center for Policy Research > Subject: From Israeli press. Madness. > > /* Written 4:34 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ > /* ---------- ""From Israeli press. Madness."" ---------- */ > FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS. > > Paper: Zman Tel Aviv (Tel Aviv's time). Friday local Tel Aviv's > paper, affiliated with Maariv. > > Date: 19 February 1993 > > Journalist: Guy Ehrlich > > Subject: Interview with soldiers who served in the Duvdevan > (Cherry) units, which disguise themselves as Arabs and operate > within the occupied territories. > > Excerpts from the article: > > ""A lot has been written about the units who disguise themselves as > Arabs, things good and bad, some of the falsehoods. But the most > important problem of those units has been hardly dealt with. It is > that everyone who serves in the Cherry, after a time goes in one > way or another insane"". Gee, I'd better tell this to the Mental Health Branch of the Israeli Army Medical Corps ! Where would we be without you, Davidson ? > > A man who said this, who will here be called Danny (his full name > is known to the editors) served in the Cherry. After his discharge > from the army he works as delivery boy. His pal, who will here be > called Dudu was also serving in the Cherry, and is now about to > depart for a round-the-world tour. They both look no different > from average Israeli youngsters freshly discharged from conscript > service. But in their souls, one can notice something completely > different....It was not easy for them to come out with disclosures > about what happened to them. And they think that to most of their > fellows from the Cherry it woundn't be easy either. Yet after they > began to talk, it was nearly impossible to make them stop talking. > The following article will contain all the horror stories > recounted with an appalling openness. > > (...) A short time ago I was in command of a veteran team, in > which some of the fellows applied for release from the Cherry. We > called such soldiers H.I. 'Hit by the Intifada'. Under my command > was a soldier who talked to himself non-stop, which is a common > phenomenon in the Cherry. I sent him to a psychiatrist. But why I > should talk about others when I myself feel quite insane ? On > Fridays, when I come home, my parents know I cannot be talked to > until I go to the beach, surf a little, calm down and return. The > keys of my father's car must be ready for in advance, so that I > can go there. I they dare talk to me before, or whenever I don't > want them to talk to me, I just grab a chair and smash it > instantly. I know it is my nerve: Smashing chairs all the time > and then running away from home, to the car and to the beach. Only > there I become normal.(...) > > (...) Another friday I was eating a lunch prepared by my mother. > It was an omelette of sorts. She took the risk of sitting next to > me and talking to me. I then told my mother about an event which > was still fresh in my mind. I told her how I shot an Arab, and how > exactly his wound looked like when I went to inspect it. She began > to laugh hysterically. I wanted her to cry, and she dared laugh > straight in my face instead ! So I told her how my pal had made a > mincemeat of the two Arabs who were preparing the Molotov > cocktails. He shot them down, hitting them beautifully, exactly as > they deserved. One bullet had set a Molotov cocktail on fire, with > the effect that the Arab was burning all over, just beautifully. I > was delighted to see it. My pal fired three bullets, two at the > Arab with the Molotov cocktail, and the third at his chum. It hit > him straight in his ass. We both felt that we'd pulled off > something. > > Next I told my mother how another pal of mine split open the guts > in the belly of another Arab and how all of us ran toward that > spot to take a look. I reached the spot first. And then that Arab, > blood gushing forth from his body, spits at me. I yelled: 'Shut > up' and he dared talk back to me in Hebrew! So I just laughed > straight in his face. I am usually laughing when I stare at > something convulsing right before my eyes. Then I told him: 'All > right, wait a moment'. I left him in order to take a look at > another wounded Arab. I asked a soldier if that Arab could be > saved, if the bleeding from his artery could be stopped with the > help of a stone of something else like that. I keep telling all > this to my mother, with details, and she keeps laughing straight > into my face. This infuriated me. I got very angry, because I felt > I was becoming mad. So I stopped eating, seized the plate with he > omelette and some trimmings still on, and at once threw it over > her head. Only then she stopped laughing. At first she didn't know > what to say. > > (...) But I must tell you of a still other madness which falls > upon us frequently. I went with a friend to practice shooting on a > field. A gull appeared right in the middle of the field. My friend > shot it at once. Then we noticed four deer standing high up on the Sigh. Four (4) deer in Tel Aviv ?? Well, this is probably as accurate as the rest of this fantasy. > hill above us. My friend at once aimed at one of them and shot it. > We enjoyed the sight of it falling down the rock. We shot down two > deer more and went to take a look. When we climbed the rocks we > saw a young deer, badly wounded by our bullet, but still trying to > such some milk from its already dead mother. We carefully > inspected two paths, covered by blood and chunks of torn flesh of > the two deer we had hit. We were just delighted by that sight. We > had hit'em so good ! Then we decided to kill the young deer too, > so as spare it further suffering. I approached, took out my > revolver and shot him in the head several times from a very short > distance. When you shoot straight at the head you actually see the > bullets sinking in. But my fifth bullet made its brains fall > outside onto the ground, with the effect of splattering lots of > blood straight on us. This made us feel cured of the spurt of our > madness. Standing there soaked with blood, we felt we were like > beasts of prey. We couldn't explain what had happened to us. We > were almost in tears while walking down from that hill, and we > felt the whole day very badly. > > (...) We always go back to places we carried out assignments in. > This is why we can see them. When you see a guy you disabled, may > be for the rest of his life, you feel you got power. You feel > Godlike of sorts."" > > (...) Both Danny and Dudu contemplate at least at this moment > studying the acting. Dudu is not willing to work in any > security-linked occupation. Danny feels the exact opposite. 'Why > shouldn't I take advantage of the skills I have mastered so well ? > Why shouldn't I earn $3.000 for each chopped head I would deliver > while being a mercenary in South Africa ? This kind of job suits > me perfectly. I have no human emotions any more. If I get a > reasonable salary I will have no problem to board a plane to > Bosnia in order to fight there."" > > Transl. by Israel Shahak. > Yisrael Shahak the crackpot chemist ? Figures. I often see him in the Rechavia (Jerusalem) post office. A really sad figure. Actually, I feel sorry for him. He was in a concentration camp during the Holocaust and it must have affected him deeply. Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL ";-1;0 "From: pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 8 The only ether I see here is the stuff you must have been breathing before you posted... -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man ";-1;0 "From: Peter Todd Chan Subject: *REDUCED* Sony CD Players 4 Sale Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu ITEM: Sony ES-CDPX229* CONDITION: excellent AGE: 1 year old PRICE: $300 *includes TOS.LINK ITEM: Sony CDP 770 CONDITION: excellent AGE: 2.5 years old PRICE: $250 Everything comes with the original packaging and manuals. These items have only been played through audiophile system and are in excellent shape. If you are interested, or need any additional information, please e-mail (pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call me at home. Thanks, Jon (412) 882-6425 P.S. Yes, these are for sale again. ";-1;0 "From: fisherg@egr.msu.edu (fisher greg) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: eecae.ee.msu.edu In article <1993Apr16.172502.21766@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.122649.22938@husc3.harvard.edu> fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry) writes: > >>Once, on Jeopardy, the category was ""Jewish Sports Heros,"" believe it >>or not. The answer was, ""This pitcher had four no-hitters with the >>Dodgers in the 60s."" The contestant said, ""Who is Hank Aaron?"" Alex >>Trebek said something like, ""I don't think Hank Aaron was a pitcher."" > >Well, it *is* a Jewish name... > >8-) > >Roger That's right. Remember Hank Greenberg??!! ";-1;0 "From: Wilfred.Hansen@CS.CMU.EDU Subject: CFP: Andrew Technical Conference Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 61 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu *Reminder* Plan now for the Andrew Conference. *Date* The dates are as noted below. (We have not changed them.) *Submission extension* We are still accepting papers. *Tutorial topic* _Converting Andrew source code to C++_ This tutorial will discuss the steps necessary to convert a site from C (extended with classC) to C++. Conversion of the source code requires only a couple of steps: run the converter fill in missing type information Describing this will not take long. The remainder of the day will be spent learning how to write objects in C++ and practicing. ------------------------------ 1993 Andrew Technical Conference and Consortium Annual Meeting June 24-25, 1993 Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA The conference will be held on the last Thursday and Friday in June. A tutorial will be on Thursday the 24th and the conference proper on the 25th with the annual meeting at the dinner on the evening between the two days. All conference attendees are welcome at the annual meeting, though only Consortium members will be able to vote. This year's theme is Application Construction by Non-Programmers Much of the effort on X toolkits has been aimed at programmer construction of applications. There have, however, been some excellent UIMS systems built on top of X. Papers addressing the theme will consider questions such as What is needed for application construction by non-programmers? Can we avoid programming altogether, or is a simple language needed? Is it sufficient to create applications, or must users be able to create new widgets? Should widgets and applications be able to print themselves? Your participation in the conference is welcome. Papers are appropriate on the theme or any aspect of the Andrew User Interface System, including applications experience with users new objects reviews of and proposals for revision of internal Andrew protocols We expect to have an RS/6000 with video projector available if you would like to do a demonstration. Paper proposals should be submitted by 15 May 1993. Acceptance will be 1 June with final papers due by 15 June. Send papers via electronic mail to wjh+@andrew.cmu.edu. Fred Hansen Director, Andrew Consortium ";-1;0 "From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Article-I.D.: das.1993Apr26.184547.20058 Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 65 In article <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: >In article amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes: >>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: >>Eh???? Could you please give me details about an event where a ""Neutral >>Observer"" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier? >Actually, I'm still trying to understand the self-justifying rationale >behind the recent murder of Ian Feinberg (?) in Gaza. Hate to be simple minded about this Tim, but I think its really very simple. He was a dirty Jew. And the only good Jew, in some peoples mind, is a dead Jew. Thats what 40 years of propaganda that fails to discriminate between Jew and Zionist will do. Thats what 20 years of statements like the ones I've appended will do to someones mind. They make people sick. They drag down political discourse to the point where killing your opponent is an honorable way to resolve a dispute. What else can come of such demagogery? Peace? Adam Arafat on political pluralism: ``Any Palestinian leader who suggests ending the intifada exposes himself to the bullets of his own people and endangers his life. The PLO will know how to deal with him.'' --- Arafat, Kuwaiti News Agency, 1/2/89 Arafat on the massacre at Tienamin Square: ``... on behalf of the Arab Palestinian People, their leadership, and myself... [I] take this opportunity to express extreme gratification that you were able to restore normal order after the recent incidents in People's China.'' --- Arafat in telegram sent to the head of the Chinese Communist Party Yassir Arafat, humanitarian: ``Open fire on the new Jewish immigrants ... be they from the Soviet Union, Ethiopia, or anywhere else. It would be a disgrace if we did not lift a finger while herds of immigrants settle our territory. I want you to shoot... It makes no difference if they live in Jaffa or Jericho. I give you explicit orders to open fire. Do everything to stop the flow of immigration.'' --- Yassir Arafat, Al Muharar (Lebanese weekly), April 10, 1990 Yassir Arafat on genocide: ``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in this part of the world. Our people will continue to fuel the torch of the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the occupied homeland is liberated...'' --- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79 Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow ";-1;0 "From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) Subject: Re: Goldwing performance Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 36 / hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) / 11:06 am Apr 1, 1993 / In article <1pf2hs$b4d@transfer.stratus.com>, cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson) wrote: > From the summary in the back of Motorcyclist, they run the 1/4 in > 13.07 at about 100 mph. Interestingly enough, this Winnebago of bikes > is faster than any of the Harleys listed. It depreciates much faster, too. ==================================================== John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona All standard disclaimers apply. ---------- The '84 GL1200A hit the traps at 13.34 according to Cycle magazine. Yeah, they depreciate faster than Harleys for the first couple of years then they bottom out. Got my '86 GL1200I w/ 2275 miles on the odometer for just under $5K in May of 1990 and would ask for $4500 now with almost 16K miles onnit....that's about 50% of what a new GL1500I would cost. Think the '86 GL1200I originally sold for $6500 brand new, not sure. If that's the case then it depreciated 30.77% over 7 years or a mere $2000. Big Fat Hairy Deal! Based on what I know, Harleys tend to depreciate your monies far more than the initial depreciation of the bike itself when it comes to parts and service. All this about Harleys holding their value better doesn't always wash away the knocks on them...such as being much slower. ;-) According to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a real dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that doesn't defecate much. =:-] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division, 350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: qman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Charlie Kuehmann) Subject: Trouble w/ VGA displays Nntp-Posting-Host: ironman.ms.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University Lines: 17 I'm currently having trouble connecting my PB to a true blue (IBM Model 1513) VGA monitor. The display is bearly readable but all the details are seperated into yellow and red colors. ie. a window will have two images one in yellow and a ghost image in red. The background is also a little greenish. I read some time ago, before I ever thought I would hook my mac up to a VGA screen, about an incompatability with some VGA monitors due to the sync on green signal. Does this sound like it could be the same demon? I also read that there are both hardware (putting a diode on the green signal?) solution and a software solution to this problem. I don't the details does somebody have them the can e-mail to me or post them? I checked all the FAQ's for this and didn't find anything about it. Did I miss it somewhere? This sure seems that it would be a good thing to have in one. Thanks for any replys. Charles Kuehmann Northwestern University Steel Research Group ";-1;0 "From: kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) Subject: Procomm Plus for windows problems.... Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu Hi, I have normal procomm plus for dos, but I've been considering buying the windows version....it got really great reviews in computer shopper. I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here using it, but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine. I can't see it having trouble keeping up. His pcplus for dos works great, but the windows just seems to always screw up....Is this common and is there a fix? Or is something just screwed with his machine? Kent ";-1;0 "From: dleonard@wixer.bga.com (Dale Leonard) Subject: Trade Mac SE system for Color Mac??? Article-I.D.: wixer.1993Apr16.181557.11264 Organization: Real/Time Communications Lines: 31 Ok I want to get a color Mac I don't care if it is an LC or a Mac II or what but I want to go to a color machine. I'd prefer to trade my present Mac SE system plus some cash or other equipment for the color system as right now I'm not full of the $$$ to buy a color system outright. Here's what my Mac SE system has... Mac SE 4/20 with internal 800K drive 20 Meg external External 800K drive ImageWriter II with 4 color ribbon Stuff that can go with it...... I've got 3 modems and I'd be willing to give 1 of the 9600's and the 2400 with the system MultiTech Multimodem II (9600 data/fax) U.S. Robotics Sportster (9600 data) Microcom QX/12K (normally will connect at only 2400 as highest but it will do faster if connected to another Microcom) The USR and the MultiTech are both brand-new If interested send me e-mail at dleonard@wixer.bga.com -- | Primary: | Judy's Stamps (Misc. topical stamps. From Dogs..| | dleonard@wixer.bga.com | to cats to baseball and many many other subjects| | Secondary: | For stamp information call Tony Leonard at......| | dleonard@wixer.cactus.org| (512) 837-0022 This is a business only number!!!| ";-1;0 "From: bearpaw@world.std.com (bearpaw) Subject: Re: MOW BODYCOUNT Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 33 spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: >> Any thoughts on who is going to count all of the gorgeous bodies at >> the MOW? The press? The White House Staff? The most Junior >> Senator? The King of the motss/bi? >> >> Just curious as to whose bias we are going to see when the numbers >> get brought out. > >Probably, law enforcement people (Park Service Police and D.C. cops), >who will use aerial photographs and extrapolate based on the >density of the crowd in small regions. > >These sort of techniques derive from Army Intelligence and CIA >methods of estimating troop strength, and tend to be >methodologically skewed to always come up with inflated numbers, >so as to justify bigger budgets. Judging from past experience (the '87 March, a Peace and Justice March the same year, and 3 different Pro-coice Marches), The Park Service will come out with an estimate that is approximately 1/2 the estimate that organizers will come up with - though the last Choice march I went to had a sign-in system, and the numbers ended up closer. And then you've got the media types in their helicopters, rolling dice. I believe the MOW plans and handing out some sort of wristband thingy, and basing their count on those. I see two problems with this. One, can they get *everybody* to take one (and only one)? Two, they couldn't possibly have been able to choose a color/design that won't clash with *somebody's* outfit! :-> bearpaw ";-1;0 "From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) Subject: Cost/Benefit Analysis (was FBI Director's Statement...) Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93 Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu In-reply-to: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) In article <1993Apr20.212028.17463@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>, costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) said: >> *sigh* I just DON'T understand why they couldn't have waited Koresh&Co >> out. [jlpicard@austin.ibm.com] > > Uh, maybe because it was costing hundreds of thousands of dollars a > day to just sit and wait. Yeah. We don't want to spend too much money preserving lives, after all. Escpecially when they're all just a bunch of crazy fanatic cultists anyway, instead of normal people. [The above is supposed to be dripping with sarcasm, but I'm too burned out right now (get it? ""burned out"" ha ha!) to tell if it's working. Look, folks, what David Koresh and his followers were was _broken_. It takes a certain amount of flexibility and insanity to survive in this world and they didn't have enough of it and that wasn't their fault. So please stop dancing on their graves, okay?] -- William December Starr ";-1;0 "From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 34 In <1psg95$ree@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: [On the issue of 'burning' nuclear wastes using particle beams...] >How is it ever going to be an Off- the Shelf Technology if someone doesn't >do it? Maybe we should do this as part of the SSF design goals. ;-) >Gee fred. After your bitter defense of 20 KHz power as a Basic technology >for SSF, Id think you would support a minor research program like >this. I sometimes wonder if your newsfeed gives you different articles than everyone else, Pat. Just a *few* corrections: 1) I never 'defended' 20kHz power, other than as something reasonable to GO LOOK AT. 2) I have also never opposed a *research project* into feasibility of the spalling reactor approach to 'cleaning' nuclear waste -- I simply doubt it could be made to work in the Real World (tm), which ought to become clear fairly quickly during a research program into feasibility (sort of like what happened to 20 kHz power -- it proved to have a down-side that was too expensive to overcome). I figure 2 things wrong in a single sentence is a high enough fault density for even you, Pat. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. ";2;1 "From: dwayne@stratsft.uucp (Dwayne Bailey) Subject: Need help identifying Serial board Organization: Strategic Software, Redford, Michigan Lines: 26 I need some help with a multi port serial board of unknown origin. I'm hoping someone knows what this board is, or, even better, what the various switches and jumbers are used for. Anyway, here's description of the card: It is a 16-bit card, although I noticed that none of the contacts in the 16-bit extension are connected to anything. It has 4 NS16550AN chips in sockets, and 4 corresponding connecters labeled COM1 - COM4. There is also an external female connector with 37 pins. There are 8 banks of 8 switches, 2 banks of 4 switches, and 7 jumpers. I believe that I have determined, by following traces, that SW5 and SW6 (12 switches in all) control the interrupt level for each of the COM ports. SW5[1-4] are for IRQ3, SW5[5-8] are for IRQ4, and SW6[1-4] are for IRQ5. The other switches are beyond my meager ability to follow. The only identification printed on the board is ""MULTI SERIAL PORT BOARD"" across the bottom. There is a box for serial number, but it is blank. Immediately below the words ""SERIAL NO"", but not in the box left for the S/N, are the numbers ""1990 2 8"". Anyone have any clues? Your help is greatly appreciated. -- dwayne@stratsft.UUCP + ""We have ways to make you scream."" Dwayne Bailey + -- Intel advertisement, Strategic Software + in the June 1989 Doctor Dobbs Journal Redford, Michigan + ";-1;0 "From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) Subject: Re: XWindows always opaque Keywords: xwindow, parent-child relation Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 17 > Distribution: comp Please don't misuse newsgroup hierarchy names as distributions. In article , hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Hess) writes: > I wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area > of its childs. Yes, but it's not an attribute of the window; it's an attribute of the GC used to do the drawing. Set the subwindow-mode to IncludeInferiors rather than the default ClipByChildren. der Mouse mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu ";-1;0 "From: foxfire@access.digex.com (foxfire) Subject: Car AMP [Forsale] Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net ========================= =Car Audio System Items:= ========================= Sony XR-7070 Head Unit (Radio): Pullout ============================== 20 W x 4 max. Dolby B. Controls all Sony CD Changers: disc/track select; track/disc scan; repeat; shuffle play. Features auto reverse; logic controls. 6AM/18FM presets; strong station memory; preset scan; tuner monitor; seek/manual tuning; mono/stereo and local/dx switches. Metal tape compatible. Fader.......Orig $299 Sony CDX-A15 10 Disc CD Changer: =============================== 4x oversampling, dual D/A converters with single clock design. 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If you are interested in any of the above items, or have any questions drop me some E-Mail. foxfire@access.digex.com ";-1;0 "From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 85 In article <1r27ld$bp2@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >> In article <1r1rad$7rl@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >> >In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >> >> [The original question was about who started the fire and whether the >> ""madmen"" were inside or outside the compound. To which I replied on >> the possible sanity level of those inside and outside.] > >Was THAT your argument. Well, you didn't make it very well. You started >from the questionable premise that the fire was necessarily an act of >insanity, rather than an act of negligence or an accident. Recall, one >survivor claims that the fire started when a tank knocked over a kerosene >lamp. Kind of makes arguments regarding relative sanity somewhat moot, no? And another survivor claims he heard someone shouting ""The fire's started!"". Odd terminology. That's what one says when you know a fire is planned, not when one occurs by accident. We will have to wait and see what the evidence shows, assuming one is willing to believe any evidence offered by the ""distrustful ones"". >> >> According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off >> >> began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ. Koresh >> >> had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound. >> >> These were the ""perfect children"" resulting from the ""great seed"" of >> >> his ""magnified horn"". Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar >> >> to the way Jim Jones has been described. >> > >> >Point noted. Have you submitted YOUR faith and sex life for BATF clearance? >> >Better hurry; I believe the deadline was April 15. >> >> I paid my taxes. There was no reference to sex or religion on the form. >> The comments above and below were meant to address who might be unstable >> enough to keep children in a building with tear gas or start a fire. > >""Nice evasive maneuver, Mr. Chekov, but they're still on our tail."" > >Let me ask it more plainly. Which of the above complaints about David >Koresh's religious or sexual proclivities justified an armed raid by the >Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms? Neither. Again I was merely addressing the sanity level of the players. I agree that the BATF handled the affair badly from day one. BTW, I heard on the news today that the affadavit behind the no-knock warrant was unsealed today. Grenade launcher was the only thing on the list that I found unusual. >> >> >:Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set >> >> >:by cult members. > >> >> So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same details, >> >> will you believe them? > >> >Believe them? I won't even RECOGNIZE them. And neither will anyone else >> >who doesn't know them personally. > >> Do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras? > >It's not entirely far-fetched. Nobody outside the compound would know >EVERYBODY inside the compound. Don't forget, the BATF admits having >agents inside the compound, in any case. Ambitious news reporters could use the documentary filmed by an Australian in 1992 on the compound grounds to help identify survivors. I, for one, will check their stories for consistency with what I learned in a long news story about that documentary. >> At this point, we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors. >> Best wait til more light is shed upon them. Of course, this is no >> good if you believe in eternal darkness. > >I'm simply being the devil's advocate. There's reasonable doubt by the >boatload standing in the way of anybody totally swallowing the official >government story on Waco. Certainly there is some room for doubt. I certainly reserve the right to change my opinions when new evidence warrants such a change. If I were conspiratorially minded, however, I would never be able to change my mind, because any evidence I disliked would have to be a lie fabricated by the ""distrustful ones"". -- ";-1;0 "From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662) Subject: Re: Diamond SS 24X Reply-To: slc@.cdc.com Organization: Metaphase Technology, Inc. Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr22.085129.554@condor.navsses.navy.mil>, zimm@condor.navsses.navy.mil writes: >Greetings! > >I've had a bunch of problems with the 24x. Opening a DOS window on the >desktop can occasionally result in the windows ""blowing up"" into a set of >horizontal lines, hashing the entire desktop. Nothing can recover this >except to completely exit from Windows. The other irritating problem is >that windows that scroll often overwrite lines rather than actually I posted a similar query and got these replies which I am testing (so far so good).. * turn hardware scrolling off before going into windows (24xmode scrolloff) * in the pif file for dos window, set ""emulate text mode"" * get the latest drivers from the DiamoND BBS (or cica): dates are 1-20-9. -- Steve Chesney slc@catherine.cim.cdc.com Metaphase Technology Inc. 612-482-4662 (voice) 4233 North Lexington Avenue 612-482-4001 (fax) Arden Hills, MN 55126 ";-1;0 "From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) Subject: Re: LA ON ABC IN CANADA Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 27 In article , boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) writes: > Was the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the > way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage? When I flipped > to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even. My question > is: Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just ""black out"" the > ABC coverage for its own? > > Here in Nanaimo (on Vancouver Island, for you furriners out there) we got the ABC coverage on KOMO. It probably depends on your cable company. I started off switching between the CBC and ABC broadcasts, but finally settled on ABC. I can't stand Don Whitman, and Al Michaels was doing a decent job. He followed the play pretty well, knew all the players' names, and only made a couple of ""rookie"" mistakes that I noticed. One thing that surprised me is that they never once attempted to explain the offside rule. Am-I-paranoid-or-is-this-really-happening department: There were no fights in the game, but there were a couple of occasions where it looked like a fight was about to start. Both times ABC cut away to show a closeup of a coach or McNall or something. Has ABC decided to adopt the ""Spicer policy?"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lorne Epp epp@mala.bc.ca ";-1;0 "From: drchambe@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Dennis Chamberlin) Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Reply-To: drchambe@tekig5.pen.tek.com Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 31 ----- News saved at 23 Apr 93 22:22:40 GMT In article <1993Apr22.130923.115397@zeus.calpoly.edu> dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes: > > ETHER IMPLODES 2 EARTH CORE, IS GRAVITY!!! > > This paper BOTH describes how heavenly bodys can be stationary, >ether sucking structures, AND why we observe ""orbital"" motion!! > ""Light-Years"" between galaxies is a misnomer. The distance is >closer to zero, as time and matter are characteristics of this phase >of reality, which dissipates outward with each layer of the onion. >(defining edge = 0 ether spin) > To find out about all of this, I recommend studying history. Well, I'm working on it, but getting a little impatient. So far, I've made it through Egyptian, Chinese, and Greek cultures, and up through the Rennaisance. But so far, these insights just don't seem to be gelling. Perhaps it's in an appendix somewhere. In its own right, though, the history is kind of fun. Lots of good yarns in there, with varied and interesting characters. And, more to come. ";-1;0 "From: bio1@navi.up.ac.za (Fourie Joubert) Subject: Image Analysis for PC Organization: University of Pretoria Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: zeno.up.ac.za Hi I am looking for Image Analysis software running in DOS or Windows. I'd like to be able to analyze TIFF or similar files to generate histograms of patterns, etc. Any help would be appreciated! __________________________________________________________________________ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ Fourie Joubert _/ _/ Department of Biochemistry _/ _/ University of Pretoria _/_/_/_/ _/ bio1@navi.up.ac.za _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ __________________________________________________________________________ ";-1;0 "From: elliott@optilink.COM (Paul Elliott) Subject: Re: Analog switches/Balanced Demodulators Distribution: na Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products Lines: 53 In article msf@skaro.as.arizona.edu (Michael Fulbright) writes: >I am trying to build a synchronous demodulator and I've hit a snag. >In my application I want to be able to change the gain of an >op amp amplifier from 1 to -1, controlable via a digital input. >The most obvious way I've come up with is to use analog switches >to adjust the gain of the op amp. The only analog switch I have >experience with it the 4066. Unfortunately I want to switch an >AC signal which goes from about -5V to 5V, and the 4066 is only >for positive signals. >[...] > I have a carrier signal which varies between 0V and +5V. I want >to demodulate an input signal by feeding the input signal thru a >amp with a gain of 1 when the carrier is at +5V, and thru a amp >with a gain of -1 when the carrier is 0V. The output is then >low pass filtered. I believe this is called lock in detection as well >as synchronous demodulation. Look at the 4053. This is a triple 2-to-1 transmission-gate analog multiplexer, with positive and negative power supplies (can be run from a single-ended supply as well). With dual supplies, the logic inputs still range from ground (0 Volts) to VDD. This is a neat (well, I think so) design for a switchable-polarity amplifier: +-----/\/\/\-------+ | | | /--------\ | INPUT -+-/\/\/\--+----| - | | | | opamp |----+------- OUTPUT +-/\/\/\--+----| + | | \--------/ | CONTROL ---------X (analog switch) | | --- GND All resistors are equal-value. When the analog switch is closed, the amp is inverting-gain-of-one. With the switch open, it is non-inverting-gain-of-one. You can clean up the circuit to trim out input offset current if this hurts the balance (this would show up as carrier feed-through). For high frequencies, the slew-rate of the opamp might cause problems, especially if it isn't symmetrical (and it usually isn't). -- -------- Paul Elliott - DSC Optilink - Petaluma, CA USA ---------- {uunet,pyramid,tekbspa}!optilink!elliott -or- elliott@optilink.com ""I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure."" ";-1;0 "From: akasacou@alfred.carleton.ca (Alexander Kasacous) Subject: Re: Chrysler bailout Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 79 In article <1993Apr5.195216.27893@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mconners@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael R Conners) writes: > > Plug this one in- I'm a Conservative, I *hate* Pee-Cee's (although I >have to use one at work), and am a proud owner of a NeXT Station. > >The real question: Should the Feds bail-out Steve Jobs & NeXT (a la Chrysler) >so that important manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost? >-- You have just reminded me of an old Tom Paxton song... I""M CHANGING MY NAME TO CHRYSLER (Tom Paxton, 1980) Oh the price of gold is rising out of sight And the dollar is in sorry shape tonight What the dollar used to get us Now won't buy a head of lettus No the economic forecast isn't right But amidst the clouds I spot a shining ray I caneven glimpse a new and better way And I've devised a plan of action Worked it down to the last fraction And I'm going into action here today. Chorus: I am changing my name to Chrysler I am going down to Washington D.C. I will tell some power broker What they did for Iacoca Will be perfectly acceptable to me. I am changing my name to Chrysler I am heading for that great receiving line So when they hand a million grand out I'll be standing with my hand out Yes sir I'll get mine When my creditors are screaming for their dough I'll be proud to tell them all where they can go They won'y have to scream and holler They'll all be paid to the last dollar Where the endless streams of money seam to flow I'll be glad to tell them all what they can do Its just a matter of a simple form or two It's not renumeration it's a liberal education Ain't you kind of glad that I'm in debt to you Chorus Since the first first amphibians crawled out of the slime We've been struggling in an unrelenting climb We were hardly up and walking before money started talking And it's sad failure is an awful crime It's been that way for a millennium or two But now it seems there's a different point of view If you're a corporate titanic and your failure is gigantic Down in congress there is a safety net for you. Chorus... Perhaps Steven Jobs should take Paxton's advice and change his name to Chrysler, or perhaps set himself up as an S&L, maybe Neil Bush could give him a hand? ================================================================ akasacou@alfred.ccs.carleton.ca No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn... J.Morrison The opinions expressed above are mine. Like anyone else would admit to them. ================================================================ ";-1;0 "From: stevedav@netcom.com (Steve Davidson) Subject: MOOLIT and OLIT Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 10 Does anyone know the difference between MOOLIT and OLIT? Does Sun support MOOLIT? Is MOOLIT available on Sparcstations? I have recntly downloaded a copy of wkshTree written by Eric Wallengren of Univel. There are many widgets that are apparently available only to MOOLIT but not OLIT. Is there a wkshTree program available under OLIT? steved@cfcl.com ";-1;0 "From: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan) Subject: Re: Frequent nosebleeds Reply-To: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan) Organization: chevron Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 In article <1993Apr17.195202.28921@freenet.carleton.ca>, ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) writes: > > > I have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week, as a result of a genetic > predisposition to weak capillary walls (Osler-Weber-Rendu). > Fortunately, each nosebleed is of short duration. > > Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger > brothers each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their > nosebleeds soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin > that is supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, > or other techniques. > -- My 6 year son is so plagued. Lots of vaseline up his nose each night seems to keep it under control. But let him get bopped there, and he'll recur for days! Also allergies, colds, dry air all seem to contribute. But again, the vaseline, or A&D ointment, or neosporin all seem to keep them from recurring. Bev Zalan ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Robbie Po Subject: Did The Blues Pull It Out? Lines: 10 When I left, it was 4-3, Blues with 2:00 to go! As I predicted in ""@#$%! I was right in the first place!!!"" Blues in 6! YES!!! Of course it's only one game -- that could be the 'Hawks stab in the face to wake them up -- that's what playoffs are about, on any given day... :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""We do what comes naturally! Patrick Division Semi's '91 STANLEY CUP You see now, wait for the PENGUINS 6, Devils 3 '92 CHAMPIONS possibility, don't you see a Penguins lead, 1-0 12 STRAIGHT WINS! strong resemblance...""-DG '89 ";-1;0 "From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch) Subject: Food Dehydrators Nntp-Posting-Host: bopper2.phx.mcd.mot.com Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az. Distribution: usa Lines: 9 Does anybody out there have one of those food dehydrators I've been seeing all over late-night TV recently? I was wondering if they use forced air, heat, or both. If there's heat involved, anybody know what temperature they run at? My wife would like one and I'm not inclined to pay >$100.00 for a box, a fan and a heater. Seems to me you should be able to throw a dehydrator together for just a few bucks. Heck, the technology is only what? 1,000 years old? John ";-1;0 "Subject: DC-X/Y/1 question From: kkobayas@husc8.harvard.edu (Ken Kobayashi) Keywords: DC-X Nntp-Posting-Host: husc8.harvard.edu Lines: 17 I've been following discussions about the Delta Clipper program, and I have one small question. As I understand it, the DC-X derived orbital vehicle (DC-Y & 1) is to reenter the atmosphere sort of sideways, not completely nose-first. So why is the DC-Y look symmetric in every drawing I've seen? I would think that an asymmetric design, sort of like wingless Orbiter, may work better, since less shielding is required on the top side. Can anybody explain? - Ken Kobayashi kkobayas@husc.harvard.edu -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken Kobayashi | kkobayas@husc.harvard.edu | ""There is no final frontier."" - IBM ad ";2;1 "From: syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Steven B Syck) Subject: Re: Don't knock the Glock (was Re: My Gun is like my Am Ex Card) Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Lines: 61 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13 In article <93105.164406U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: > >All very true. I'm going on what I have read and heard from friends. >Basically the Glock is great but I have heard/read that it is a lot harder to >learn proper handling because of the type of safety that it has. I was >looking at a Glock .40S&W and the S&W 4006 a couple of weeks ago and the >safties on the guns were very different. The saftey on the 4006 seemed a lot >more ""safe"" (for lack of a better word) than the one on the Glock. Of course >this could also be a bad thing if you were to pull the gun on somebody. You >would spend more time fiddling around turning the safety off. Personally I >like the Glocks because they are very light and I think they look really cool >(guess that's why they use them in so many movies) but I wouldn't get one as >my first semi-auto because of the safety. I would prefer more training with >a ""traditional"" semi-auto (ala Colt .45) but of course that's just my opinion. > >Jason At the risk of starting the 'my gun is better than yours' flame war, I must disagree. There is no secret in handling a Glock. In fact, it is often chosen (besides its other merits) because it shoots like a revolver does basically. It can limit the training time (read budget $$$) due to the fact there are no 'external' safties other than the trigger, hence less training time required. Smith & Wesson (among other types) are chosen due to the fact taht they do have the external safties (hammer drop,as well as mag drop) which if properly used have saved many lives when 'Mr. Bad' snatched the gun from the officer and tried to shoot said officer the gun was on safe and would not fire. This point had been made in many articles in various gun magazines. If fact, one author (can't remember who) staged a little test where he had a revolver and a S&W on safe laying on a table and asked people with little firearms experience to on his signal, grab the gun and shoot a target. He timed the people using each gun. The revolver times were pretty close, but some of the times with the S&W were in minutes, or the person just gave up because they could not figure out the saftey. You don't often see Colt 45 autos issued due to the light trigger which can be accidentally fired in a stress situation, opening the issuing city,county, etc.. to lawsuits, bad press, etc.. Of course any problem can be overcome with enough training, but such training is not always available to budget crunched departments. I know if I were a Cop I would want something like a S&W just for the off chance of the gun getting taken away. The safety doesn't guarantee that 'Mr. Bad' won't figure it out and shoot me, but it could buy enough time to draw a second gun and shoot 'Mr. Bad' before it's too late. Don't think I am too biassed here just because I have had 3 Glocks in my possession at one time, because I have had a .45 as well. In fact, it was my first handgun. Remember, the ultimate 'safety' is YOU the operator, and no safety is going to stop an negligent discharge (note I don't say accidental) if you break the rules of gun handling. As per the part of being light weight and looking cool, I agree 100%. I wouldn't rule it out as a first purchase. -Just my $.02 + tax ------- Steve Syck syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu -------- ";-1;0 "From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Article-I.D.: gap.1ppu9hINNl0v Distribution: na Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >hambidge@bms.com wrote: >: In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >: >: Rate := per capita rate. The UK is more dangerous. >: >: Though you may be less likely to be killed by a handgun, the average >: >: individual citizen in the UK is twice as likely to be killed >: >: by whatever means as the average Swiss. Would you feel any better >: >: about being killed by means other than a handgun? I wouldn't. >: >: >What an absurd argument. Switzerland is one-fifth the size of the >: >UK with one-eigth as many people therefore at any given point on >: >Swiss soil you are more likely to be crow bait. More importantly, >: >you are 4x as likely to be killed by the next stranger approaching >: >you on a Swiss street than in the UK. Killed by handgun, or killed? If I'm dead, I don't much care if it was by being shot or stabbed to death. >: You are betraying your lack of understanding about RATE versus TOTAL >: NUMBER. Rates are expressed, often, as #/100,000 population. >: Therefore, if a place had 10 deaths and a population of 100,000, the >: rate would be 10/100,000. A place that had 50 deaths and a population >: of 1,000,000 would hav a rate of 5/100,000. The former has a higher >: rate, the latter a higher total. You are less likely to die in the >: latter. Simple enuff? >For chrissakes, take out your calculator and work out the numbers. >Here... I've preformatted them for you to make it easier: > handgun homicides/population > ---------------------------- > Switzerland : 24 / 6,350,000 > UK : 8 / 55,670,000 >... and then tell me again how Switzerland is safer with a more >liberal handgun law than the UK is without...by RATE or TOTAL NUMBER. >Your choice. >-- >Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com >Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o I don't think you can get an accurate indicator of how safe England is compared to Switzerland by concentrating only on handgun murders and completely ignoring murders by other weapons, not to mention the rate of other violent crimes. If there are more guns in circulation, if follows that more people will be killed with them 'cause they are available to the person intent on committing a crime _regardless_ of whether they have to do it with a gun, knife, or bare hands. The gun control lobby doesn't seem to understand this point. If people are intent on committing a crime, they will do it with whatever means are available to them. aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu ";-1;0 "From: ds@aris.nswc.navy.mil (Demetrios Sapounas) Subject: 3D display software Organization: NSWC Lines: 19 I have the need for displaying 2 1/2 D surfaces under X, using only Xlib, Xt and Xm. Does anyone know of a package, available on internet, which will be able to do the work? I am looking for a STAND-ALONE package providing similar functions to ""xprism3"" available with Khoros, but without the numerous libraries required for it. I want to be able to recompile it and run it on various platforms, from SGIs to i486s (UNIX). Any help will be appreciated. ======================================================================= Demetrios Sapounas Tel +1 (703) 663.8332 L 115, NSWC Fax +1 (703) 663.1939 Dahlgren, VA 22448-5000, USA email ds@aris.nswc.navy.mil ======================================================================= ";1;1 "From: bernard@sirius.gte.com (Bernard Silver) Subject: Re: Bill Conklin (et al) 's letter <1993Apr3.231858.27507@midway.uchicago.edu> Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated Lines: 27 In-reply-to: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu's message of 3 Apr 93 23:18:58 GMT In article <1993Apr3.231858.27507@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: In article <1993Apr3.223215.20655@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes: > Well, the two nifty letters giving concrete proof that the >Income Tax is voluntary and giving specific procedures for stopping >withholding, et cetera have been out there for a while now. > There has been no refutation to date. Have the nay-sayers >finally given up as defeated? Sure would like to hear there reasons >for disbelief at this point. Probably because you have yet to respond to the refutation I've posted. Teel, it's bad enough you post this bs, it's even worse that you don't even try to defend it when it gets torn to pieces, but then posting that no one's looked at it and gloating when all facts point to the contrary point to a severely deluded mind. What I found interesting about Conklin's letter is the 6 cases he has won against the IRS. Now, assuming that these cases really exist and were one by him (anyone checked?) they may have nothing to do with his major tax claim. The IRS fought one of his deductions. Defending your deductions seems puny when you believe that there is no need to file in the first place! -- Bernard Silver GTE Laboratories bsilver@gte.com (617) 466-2663 ";-1;0 "From: Shelomoh*S*ZIENIUK <27916070@PLEARN.BITNET> Subject: WARSAW GHETTO UPRISING 50TH ANNIVERSARY: A Visitor's ABC Originator: tpm@israel.nysernet.org Reply-To: 27916070@PLEARN.BITNET Organization: Nysernet Lines: 32 ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- D""SB Mincha, Tish(a Yamim La(Omer, Yom Chamishi, Y""D b'Nisan ThShN""G; Universita Varsha b'Varsha, Galut HaMara Meod. SHALOM ALL! Those of You visiting The Ghetto City these days might be interested in the following events timetable (abridged): 19:00, Fri., 16th April, '93: Kabbalat Shabbat service at the Nozyk Shul (6 Twarda Street, Warsaw -- a 10 mins' walk from the Palace of Science & Culture: the tallest building in the city's centre, & the same distance from the Central Railway Station). 09:30, Sat., 17th April, "" : Shacharit L'Shabbat service, Nozyk Shul. 11:30, Sun., 18th April, "" : The Fallen Ones Memorial service, Nozyk Shul. 13:00, Sun., 18th April, "" : Memorial Ceremony at the Jewish Cemetery (Okopowa Street, Warsaw). 18:00, Sun., 18th April, "" : Official Arts Programme at the Congress Hall (a building adjacent to the Palace of Science & Culture, which -- like the Shul -- is located a quarter's walk from most of downtown hotels: Bristol, Forum, Victoria, Europejski, Holiday Inn, Marriott). 12:00, Mon., 19th April, "" : Laying of Wreaths at the Ghetto Heros Monument. Shabbat Shalom UL'Hitraot B'Varsha! Shelomoh*Slawek*ZIENIUK, student, Univ. of Warsaw (Dept. of Hebrew), Warsaw. ani shalom v'khi adaber hema lamilchama: -- Tehillim Q""K:Z' Guest e-mail account: <27916070@plearn.bitnet> ";-1;0 "From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Vlad's Playoff Picks Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 156 In article vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes: Wales Conference, Adams Division, Semifinal >Boston vs. Buffalo: >The Bruins are playing some excellent hockey, and with Cam Neely back >and Moog his old self again this should be a cake-walk. BRUINS IN 5. I'm hoping for a Fuhr miracle, but I agree that Boston will likely win the series. Goaltending is about equal, top offensive players are about equal (Mogilny-LaFontaine vs. Oates-Juneau), but Buffalo has no answer to Neely (not to imply that Neely is not a top offensive player btw, in fact he's one of my favourites even though he's a damn Bruin :) ). And the rest of the matchup wrt lineup favours Boston anyway. But I think it will go six. >Quebec vs. Montreal: >This one is very tough to call. Montreal certainly has the experience >factor, but Quebec is more talented IMHO. It'll come down to the >goalies. I'll go with experience and Roy. CANADIENS IN 7. Agreed here...but Montreal will be pushed to the limit. Is it just me, or does everything Montreal does in the playoffs come down to Roy? Go Habs!! Final >Boston vs. Montreal: >Will Bruin domination continue in this rivalry? Yes. Moog has >consistently outperformed Roy in the playoffs (after 1986)..[other stuff] > Bruins in five. I can't predict a Montreal victory because I've been watching them play for 6 weeks and IMO they severly need some tougher players, especially to play in the Garden. Last time they beat the B's 5-2 but Boston had a clear territorial advantage; the victory was Roy's. At the same time, I can't bring myself to predict the possibility of a loss, so I'll just say I will not be putting money on this series. :-) >Patrick Division, semifinal >Pittsburgh vs. NY Islanders: >What can I say? The Pens are flying high and have the most talent in >the league. Agreed. NY doesn't have the goaltending to stop the onslaught, independent of the trouble they have given Pittsburgh this year. Pens in five, which is credit to NY. >Washington vs. New Jersey: >CAPITALS IN 5. Agreed here too, but I think it will go at least six. Jersey has a decent team, and Washington has done poorly against the division this year. >Pittsburgh vs. Washington: >If the Caps had Bill Ranford I might see an upset, but Don Beaupre >just doesn't inspire my hopes. PENGUINS IN 6. I think they will use Tabaracci more after Beaupre gets shelled. I don't think it will go six either...*maybe* five. >CONFERENCE FINAL: >Pittsburgh vs. Boston: >A replay of last year. The Penguins are just as good as 12 months ago, >and the Bruins are much improved. But... PENGUINS IN 6. If Pittsburgh plays Boston, IMO they win in likely five, possibly six. They own the Bruins. If they play Montreal, I think it will go to seven, and once again I won't be putting money on the seventh game. I say seven because the Habs have played Pittsburgh very tough this season. >Campbell Conference, Norris Division, semifinal >Chicago vs. St. Louis (or Minnesota): > BLACKHAWKS IN 5. Chicago will win, but I think in at least six. Chicago is not that good, IMO. And remember that they take ridiculous numbers of penalties. >Detroit vs. Toronto: >The Leafs have had an excellent season, but they've been playing >playoff hockey all year - the Habs under Burns were the same way and >always wilted in the playoffs. RED WINGS IN 5. Very true. The Leafs have much to be proud of, but they will soon find out why Montreal did so lousy in the playoffs. Toronto might win two or three at MLG though. Wings in six, maybe even seven. >FINAL: >Chicago vs. Detroit: > This will be a war. Fedorov will win it in OT. RED WINGS IN 7. It _will_ be a war...possibly the most intense playoff series of them all. And yes, I think Detroit will win. Probert will have to come up big though. >Smythe Division SEMI-FINALS: >Vancouver vs. Winnipeg: > CANUCKS IN 7. Our first disagreement. Canucks are playing like shit. They don't use their size *at* *all*, which may explain why they get hammered 8-1 by a team chasing them (Calgary)....Winnipeg in six. >Calgary vs. Los Angeles: >This would have been tough to call, except for three things. 1/ The >Kings don't have a goalie; 2/ Gary Roberts will be back; 3/ the Kings >shot themselves in the foot by trading a proven winner (Paul Coffey) >for a proven loser (Jimmy Carson). Gretzky is just too weary to carry >this group. FLAMES IN 5. This is also tough for me to call, because I haven't seen the Smythe enough. I don't think Roberts will be well enough to figure in, Coffey is a non-issue, who cares what Carson has done before, and *never* underestimate Gretzky. LA in six. >FINAL: >Vancouver vs. Calgary: > FLAMES IN 6. If it is these two, Calgary will not need six games. But I think it will be LA-Winnipeg anyway, and LA in seven, because of home ice. >COFERENCE FINAL: >Detroit vs. Calgary: > RED WINGS IN 7. Wow, must've been tough to go against your team. But let's see, I picked LA-Detroit. Detroit will win, probably in six. >STANLEY CUP FINAL: >Pittsburgh vs. Detroit: >Three in a row and official 'dynasty' status for the Pens? Or can the >Wings complete a dream season? Well, the Wings are better in goal (not >sufficiently so though IMHO) and have better D-men. However, Mario and >the boys can sure score. Look for Jagr to shine in the playoffs, >though I sure would love to see Probert beat some sense into him. The >Pens are just too much, especially since Detroit will have a tougher >battle to get here. PENGUINS IN 5. If Pittsburgh plays Detroit, it will go longer than five, and I wouldn't bet against the Wings. They are very strong, IMO, and nobody knows *how* strong because they've been underachieving most of the year. If forced to choose, though, I'd have to take the Penguins. A side note. Vlad, last week you said that Selanne was a better player than Gilmour. NO WAY. He is a more talented pure goal scorer...but aside from the age difference, there is no way I would take him over Gilmour on my team. I'm not asking for flames, either, btw....I've spent more than enough time arguing on behalf of Selanne and I still say he's a great player. But while he and Gilmour are both dangerous offensively (give Teemu an edge), Gilmour *does* *it* *all*. I know a lot of Gilmour-bashing goes on, esp. from Flame fans. But IMO you guys are letting your dislike of Gilmour cloud your judgement when it comes to his skill. He is easily one of the best all-round players in the NHL. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca ";-1;0 "From: disham@cymbal.calpoly.edu (David Isham) Subject: Cobra 146GTL SSB/CB FOR SALE! Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 13 Well, I have it forsale again (the last deal didn't work out) and I lowered the price again! Cobra 146 GTL Single side band w/mike --> $75 or best offer! dave --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Cal Poly, Life, Liberty, and the SLO, CA 93401 Pursuit of Land Speed Records. -Autobahn Commuters -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: Mike Diack Subject: Anyone know about DATA I/O device proggers ? X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 16:03:50 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-80.gw.umn.edu Organization: persian cat & carpet co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Lines: 9 I keep finding these programmers in local junk shops. This may mean that they are indeed junk - but i'd like to hear from anyone else that may have met up with them. The basic device is a ""Data I/O 29A universal programmer"", and the usual pod is a ""LogicPak 303A-Vo4"" with a ""303A-001"" programming tester/ adapter. I'd really like to hear from anyone who knows whether these monsters are worth bothering with. All i want to do is blast PALCE22V10s. - Ideas, folks Mike. ";11;1 "From: Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) Subject: Jack Morris Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 9 As of today, April 17, Jack Morris has lost his first three starts. However, the Jays are doing well without him and injured Dave Stuart. This is a credit to the rest of the pitching staff. Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had? ";-1;0 "From: microfsh@iastate.edu (Alex Fagundes) Subject: FOR SALE: CHEAP LOGIC BOARDS!!! (update) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 67 Here's the updated list of the stuff I still have for sale. Also, feel free to make an offer. I'm asking $15 per board. Currently known Electronic mother boards from old arcade games: Game Name Condition Manufacturer ------------------------------------------------------------ -1- TenYard Fight ? Iren TenYard Fight Bad(internal short) Iren Kangaroo ? Sun Electronics? -2- Mr.Do Okay,but has interference ? Guardian Tip Top ? Sega Bank Panic ? Sega Sanritsu ? Sega *Radar Scope Okay Nintendo? -3- Poseidon ? Taito Ninjakun Bad(needs capacitor&crystal) ? Jass Rack ? Jamma Double Dribble ? -6- Zoar Okay ? Super Trivia Bad (got fried) Greyhound Electronics -9- Slither Has error message Century II Corp. -10- Music Trivia ? JALECO Samurai Fore Groud char. disapear Taito Poseidon Okay Taito -11- Ant Eater ? Tago Electronics Up n Down buzzing sound ? Tutankham Bad Konami Pro Wrestling Okay Video Trivia ? GrayHound Asteron Belt ? Sega Unknown boards Sega (1) Konami (1) Pacific Novelty Manufacturing Inc (9) (if anyone has the rom numbers for these boards, please tell me) 1 absolutely unknown board --Misc Stuff-- Somekind of powersupply(similar to atary audio reg.) ? Ram Card ? Midway Midway Patter Board Z-80 Sync Buss Controller-285 (2) Pacman Filters (16) ? Midway 50pin scsi cable(2) (both ends are female) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Alex Fagundes - Proud owner of a 76 Maverick :) and another | | microfsh@iastate.edu - believer that AMIGA rules | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Albert Sabin From: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) Reply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept. Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie Lines: 91 In article <1993Apr15.012537.26867@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, sharpe@nmesis.enet.dec.com (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes: > >In article , rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) writes: >|> >|>In article <1993Apr10.213547.17644@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: >|> >|>[earlier dialogue deleted] >|> >|>>|> Perhaps you should read it and stop advancing the Bible as evidence relating >|>>|> to questions of science. >|> >|>[it = _Did Jesus exist?_ by G. A. Wells] >|> >|>> There is a great fallacy in your statement. The question of origins is >|>> based on more than science alone. >|> >|>Nope, no fallacy. Yep, science is best in determining how; religions handle >|>why and who. >|> > >Rich, I am curious as to why you and others award custody of the baby to >theists and religion? I hope I didn't award custody, Rich. I purposely used ""handle"" in order to avoid doing so - i.e., that happens to be what religions do (of course there are aberrations like ""scientific"" creationism). I used ""best"" in part to indicate that science currently has a time of it with why and who, so these domains are mostly ignored. I also attempted to be brief, which no doubt confused the matter. As an aside, for science I should have written ""how and when"". Nobody seems to argue over what. >Are they [theists, theologians] any better equiped to investigate the ""who and >why"" than magicians, astrologers, housewives [not being sexists], athiests or >agnostics. Seems to me that the answer would vary from individual to individual. I'm not trying to be evasive on this, but from a societal perspective, religion works. On the other hand, sometimes it is abused and misused, and many suffer, which you know. But the net result seems positive, this from the anthropological perspective on human affairs. You might call me a neo-Fruedian insofar as I think the masses can't get along without religion. Not that generally they are incapable; they just don't, and for myriad reasons, but the main one seems to be the promise of immortality. Very seductive, that immortality. Therefore it seems that theologians are better equipped than the others you mention for dispensing answers to ""who and why"". I suggest that this holds regardless of the ""truth"" in their answers to who and why simply because people believe. In the end, spiritual beliefs are just as ""real"" as scientific facts and explanation (CAUTION TO SOME: DO NOT TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT). >Do you suggest that the ""who and why"" will forever be closed to scientific >investigation? No. In fact, I don't think it is closed now, at least for some individuals. Isn't there a group of theoretical physicists who argue that matter was created from nothing in a Big Bang singularity? This approach might presuppose an absence of who and why, except that it seems it could be argued that something had to be responsible for nothing? Maybe that something doesn't have to be supernatural, maybe just mechanistic. But that's a tough one for people today to grasp. In any case, theory without empirical data is not explanation, but then your question does not require data. In other words, I agree that theorizing (within scientific parameters) is just as scientific as explaining. So the answer is, who and why are not closed to scientists, but I sense that science in these realms is currently very inadequate. Data will be necessary for improvement, and that seems a long way off, if ever. Pretty convoluted here; I hope I've made sense. >It seems to me that 200 or so years ago, the question of the origin of life on >earth was not considered open to scientific enquiry. I agree generally. But I prefer to put it this way - the *questions* of how, when, who and why were not open to inquiry. During the Enlightenment, reason was reponsible for questioning the theological answers to how and when, and not, for the most part, who and why. Science was thus born out of the naturalists' curiosity, eventually carting away the how and when while largely leaving behind the who and why. The ignorant, the selfish, the intolerant, and the arrogant, of course, still claim authority in all four domains. >|>Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota >Did like your discussion around AMHs, and I did figure out what AMH was from >your original post :-) Much obliged. Funny how facts tend to muddle things, isn't it? Well, I am sure there are plenty of ""scientific"" creationist ""rebuttals"" out there somewhere, even if they have to be created from nothing. [just for the record, again, AMH = anatomically modern humans] Best regards :-), Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota ";-1;0 "From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) Subject: rec.autos: Automotive Mailing Lists: how to set up your own Keywords: Monthly Posting Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Lines: 116 Archive-Name: rec-autos/part6 [New article as of 4 February 1993 -- rpw] Many people want to set up mailing lists for their favorite automotive topics; rather fewer know how to do it. This article will provide the essential information for doing so on standard Unix systems. A shell script and examples of alias file setups are included which presently run on a Sparc 2 here at balltown.cma.com for a number of mailing lists. Note that if you do set up an automotive mailing list, please let me know of the -request address so that I can list it in the montly rec.autos posting. Also inform the keeper of the Usenet list-of-lists (check news.answers for this monthly posting.) First of all, to get anywhere, you need to either 1) be a sysadmin, or 2) have some measure of assistance from your sysadmin. It is also important that you have reasonably good network connectivity; if it seems like you get everything several days after anyone else, or that you have trouble getting email through, then your network connectivity is probably not good enough. Listserv: There is a handy automated mailing list package named listserv, which is available from several ftp servers on the network. Details of the installation and operation of listserv are beyond the scope of this article, but anyone who is considering running a large mailing list should probably look at listserv carefully. The Alias file: On a typical unix system; there is a file named /usr/lib/aliases on whichever file server is your mail host; it contains lines such as: foo: bar, baz, bletch which means that any email sent the name `foo' on that host is redistributed to users bar, baz, and bletch. thus, the simplest possible email list is my-favorite-car: member1, member2, member3, my-address my-favorite-car-request: my-address this has a couple of problems; the most noticeable one being that you have to be superuser to edit the alias file. however, you can do the following, with the connivance of your sysadmin: my-favorite-car: :include:/home/mydir/misc/autos/my-favorite-car-list my-favorite-car-request: my-address Where the file specified is a list of comma and newline separated addresses. This file can be in the list admin's home directory, owned by the list admin. Bounced Mail: this still has a problem; bounced mail usually gets distributed to all the members of the list, which is generally considered somewhat irritating. Therefore, the way that the driving school mailing list is set up is instructive (Thanks to harpal chohan of the bmw list for this setup, by the way. I'm not sure where he got it from.) school-request: welty school-rebroadcast: :include:/home/newwelty/misc/autos/school/list school: ""|/usr/local/adm/bin/explscript school"" owner-school: school-request owner-school-out: school-request here's what is going on here: the owner- and -request addresses are intended as traps for bounced mail coming from the network. the -request address also serves as the point of contact for administrative duties. school is what people send mail to; instead of pointing at addresses, it points at a shell script which rewrites headers before resending the email. school-broadcast (of which nobody except me knows the name; the name has been changed here to protect my own sanity) points at the actual list members. the shell script i use is as follows: ----------------- #!/bin/sh cd /tmp sed -e '/^Reply-To:/d' -e '/^Sender:/d' -e '/^From /d' | \ (echo Reply-To: ${1}@balltown.cma.com; \ echo Errors-To: ${1}-request@balltown.cma.com; \ echo Sender: ${1}-request@balltown.cma.com; \ cat -) | \ /usr/lib/sendmail -om -f ${1}-request@balltown.cma.com \ -F ""The ${1} Mailing List"" ${1}-rebroadcast exit 0 ------------------- note that this script does not know the name of the list; the name is passed in from outside, so that the script may be used for multiple lists (i run several out of this site.) the script excises Reply-To:, Sender:, and From lines from the incoming message, substitutes for Sender: and Reply-To:, and adds Errors-to: 99.9% of all email bounce messages end up being sent to the -request or owner- addresses if this header rewrite is done. For digested lists, there is some digestification software around. Hopefully I'll be able to provide more information in a future version of this posting. richard welty (welty@balltown.cma.com) -- richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith ";-1;0 "From: cm@cci632.cci.com (Carl Mercer) Subject: 1986 Mazda forsale Keywords: 1986, 323, pioneer DX 680 Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc. - Network Application Systems Distribution: wny Lines: 34 For sale - Mazda 323 1986 Mazda 323 White exterior, Grey interior. 75,000 miles Interior in very good condition. Exterior in good condition Pioneer DX 680 car stereo. - CD player - 18 FM presets, 6 AM - removable faceplate - seperate component speakers professionally mounted in the doors. The car has been well maintained. I wax it often and keep the interior clean. Its a good running car with a solid body (no rust thru, tiny spots of surface rust. When I see a spot I touch it up.) The stereo makes the car. I have had no mechanical problems with it. I'm looking for $900.00 firm. The car has an average wholesale value of about $900.00 without the stereo. The stereo cost me $500.00 last July. If you are interested, call or Email me at: Carl Mercer cm@cci.com (716) 654-2652 (716) 359-0895 evening ";10;1 "From: regy105@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (James Haw) Subject: Any good electronic Christian magazine? Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Lines: 9 Hi, I'd like to subscribe to Leadership Magazine but wonder if there is one on disk instead of on paper. Having it on disk would save me retyping illustrations, etc into a word processor. It's just cut and paste. If there are other good Christian magazines like Leadership on disk media, I'd appreciate any info. With gratitude, James. ";-1;0 "From: Steve Bollinger Subject: Re: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 19:34:37 GMT X-Xxmessage-Id: Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 192 In article <1qsfak$skc@network.ucsd.edu> Doug P. Book, dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu writes: >Hi. I think I have a problem with the stereo sound output on my Quadra >900, but I am not totally sure because my roomate has the same problem >on his PowerBook 170. Any info or experience anyopne has would be >greatly appreciated. > >When I hook my Quadra up to my home stereo system, the following types >of sounds (mono, as far as I can tell) all play fine through BOTH >speakers: > >system beeps (already provided ones such as Indigo and ones I record) > >Armor Alley >Spectre >Spaceward Ho! > > >But, the following games only play out of the left channel: > >Lemmings >Out of This World (awesome game, BTW) >Glider 4.0 >OIDS > > >But still, STEREO system beeps do play in stereo, through BOTH speakers. >(The one I'm specifically referrring to is Apocolyptic Beginning, which >my roommate downloaded from some ftp site (sumex?)) > > >All of the symptoms are the same on my rommates 170 (he can't run >OOTW because he doesn't have color). > >We're both running system 7.1 > > > >Does anyone with Lemmings or the other three games I mentioned above get >sound out of both speakers on a Mac II class, Quadra, LC, PowerBook 140 or >greater, Centris, SE/30, etc... (stereo) machine? > >I used to have a Mac II, and I sort of rememeber Lemmings playing in >stereo on that machine, not just on the left channel. (I could be >mistaken, though. If there were a problem with the Quad 900's and PB >170's, I am wondering why the system beeps still play in stereo? If there >isn't a problem with our machines, I wonder why the 4 games above are >apparantly written to support only one channel of stereo when they >could just use mono sounds so the mono sound would at least come out of >both speakers (like Spectre, etc. do)? > >Quadra 900's and PowerBook 170's have the same ROMS (to my knowledge), >so maybe this is a ROM problem? (if so, though, why wouldn't System 7.1 >patch over this problem?) > > > > >Thanks for any help you can provide! In article <1993Apr18.213827.9974@kth.se> Jon Wtte, d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se writes: >Mac sound hardware is diverse; some macs play in stereo and >mix the output (the SE/30 for instance) while others play in >stereo but ONLY has the left channel for the speaker, while >some are ""truly"" mono (like the LC) > >Developers know that stuff played in the left channel is >guaranteed to be heard, while the right channel isn't. Some >send data to both, some only send data to the left channel >(the first is preferrable, of course) Okay, I guess its time for a quick explanation of Mac sound. The original documentation for the sound hardware (IM-3) documents how to make sound by directly accessing hardware. Basically, you jam values into all the even bytes from SoundBase to SoundBase+0x170. This was because of how the Mac 128 (and some later machines) generated sound was by scanning this block and D/Aing every even byte (the odd bytes went to the floppy on some machines). When the Mac II (and Apple Sound Chip) was invented, it was designed to generate stereo sound. It was also designed to be compatible with we had once documented. So storing bytes at the even values at SoundBase meant ""I want to play a mono sound"" and so it was emulated. But Apple had since retracted the documentation on SoundBase and decided not to document the lowest layers of sound generation. So apple never explained where to stuff bytes if you want to make stereo sound. Enter game developers. The sound driver and current sound manager are inconveniently lame for making games. Furthermore, people who port from the IBM don't want to learn more APIs. So, it has become popular for game writers to write to SoundBase to make sound, since it is very easy. Since the Mac II, Apple has had many different kind of sound output hardware, and the only things they have in common are that writing to SoundBase works. On some hardware, (Mac II, IIx, IIcx, IIci at least), writing to SoundBase gets you mono sound through both speakers. On some Macs (Quadra 700/900/950 at least) writing to SoundBase gets you mono sound on the left channel only. Both are technically correct interpretations of the original specification, but one is obviously preferable for asthetic reasons. If developers use the Sound Manager (and I think the sound driver), mono sounds will (typically) come out through both channels regardless of the underlying hardware. It is possible to specify you want to generate left channel only, but no one does. If developers write to sound base, their games will only come out the left on some games. The other problem, the original Mac II only producing left channel sound on the internal speaker, while the SE/30 mixes both, isn't really related. It is due to the post generation amplification used on the motherboards of the different machines. It only affects true stereo sounds. Sounds which are actually mono, will play on the internal speaker, no matter what machine you have. Now, to more directly address the question, the games you list: >Lemmings >Out of This World (awesome game, BTW) >Glider 4.0 >OIDS and also Hellcats, Super Tetris Oxyd (and many more, these are just what I've tested) Cheat and write to SoundBase and so are only left channel on Quadras. Other games you list: >Armor Alley >Spectre >Spaceward Ho! and also PGA Tour Golf Civilization (and more, these are again only from personal experience) Use the sound manager and work fine on all machines. The more of the story is to developers: DON'T CHEAT! Really, I am absolutely, positively not allowed to do what I am about to do, but I'm going say it anyway. Stop cheating on sound! Really soon, you will be sorry, as even those without external speakers will be disappointed with your sound on future hardware. The grace period is about to end. The Sound Manager is understandable now, and works pretty well and will work even better soon, so use it. In conclusion: To Doug, it isn't a hardware problem, at least, not a bug. To Jon, it isn't a choice to developers as to whether they want to send sound to both channels. If they do it the right way, it is taken care of automatically. If you cheat, there is not way to make it work on all hardware. Have fun. Disclaimer number 1: I don't work on sound here at Apple, I'm just pretty well informed. So don't write me with sound questions. Disclaimer number 2: If it says up above that I wrote anything like ""the grace period is about to end"" then it is a bug in your news feed, since I am catagorically not allowed to say anything like that. You know what I mean. Disclaimer number 3: I don't speak for Apple, just me. -Steve Bollinger ";-1;0 "From: mtt@kepler.unh.edu (Matthew T Thompson) Subject: music censorship survey - please fill out Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH Lines: 68 NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu Hello, I'm doing a paper on censorship in music and I would appreciate it if you took the time to participate in this survey. Please answer as each question asks ('why?' simply means that you have room to explain your answer, if you chose.). The last question is for any comments, questions, or suggestions. Thank you in advance, please E-mail to the address at the end. I) are you [male/female] II) what is your age? III)what is your major/occupation? IV) what type of music do you listen to (check all that apply)? a. hard rock b. metal c. alternative d. blues e. rap f. jazz g. soft rock h. easy listening i. country j. classical k. hard core l. dance m. new age n. others (did I miss any?)____________ 1) Do you think recordings with objectionable or offensive lyrics be labeled? [yes/no] Why? 2) Do you think certain recordings should be banned from minors (under 18 years of age)? [yes/no] why? 3) Do you think certain recordings should be banned. Period. [yes/no] Why? 4) If yes to any of the above, who should decide: a. parents b. government c. music industry d. other________________ feel free to add any comments on this. 5) Do you think [more/less] should be done for controling record sales, or do you think the present labeling system is enough? 6) What is your definition of censorship? Also, feel free to add comments, suggestions, questions, or further explanations. Please E-mail at: mtt@kepler.unh.edu or hit 'R' to reply. thanks. Matthew T. Thompson disclaimer: if any responses are used in paper, they will be anoynamous (sp?) unless the person specifies they what their name to be used. -- *************This .sig is closed for repairs******************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ution,| } Matthew T. Thompson rrrrrrr! *pound, pound, thud* ""OUCH""$%#@""duh?"" E-mail at mtt@kepler.unh.edu or shazam@unh.edu ";14;1 "From: schmidt@PrakInf.TH-Ilmenau.DE (Schmidt) Subject: Re: POV file constructor for Unix/X11 Nntp-Posting-Host: merkur.prakinf.tu-ilmenau.de Reply-To: schmidt@PrakInf.TH-Ilmenau.DE (Schmidt) Organization: Technische Hochschule Ilmenau Lines: 17 In article <1r7hl1$csc@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Craig.Humphrey@comp.vuw.ac.nz (chumphre) writes: |> |> Hi, I'm just getting into PoVRay and I was wondering if there is a graphic |> package that outputs .POV files. Any help would be appreciated. |> Thanks. |> A very good modeling package I found is `irit' (look for irit.tar.Z). However there is no converter from it's format to POV format. I postet a request for such a converter in this group but got no response, so I'm considering to write such a program myself. -- Sebastian Schmidt TU Ilmenau Institut f. praktische Informatik ";-1;0 "From: daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) Subject: Divorce Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 72 I deleted much of the following article in order to discuss the specific issue of whether it is acceptable to divorce. In article crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes: > >Along the way, she was married, happily, to a wonderful and >supportive husband and gave birth to two sons. Still, everything was not >perfect for Jane, since she could never open up the deepest part of her >soul to her husband. She always found that she could be much closer to >her women friends than to her husband, as good and loing as a husband as >he might be. She struggled very much with this until at the age of 38, she >decided that she was a lesbian. When she came home to announce this >understanding of herself, her husband told her that he had come to the same >understanding several years before and was waiting for her to come to that >realization in her own time. Her children ages 9 and 11 at the time were >also extremely supportive of her. As the youngest put it, ""that just >means that you love people very much."" Jane and her husband agreed to >divorce but remain friends and still consider each other as part of the >extended family to this day. >One of the interesting things that Jane said in this whole discussion was >""Homosexuality is not about what goes on in the bedroom."" She found that >she was much more able to have a deep, committed relationship with a woman >than a man. Sex, in her mind, is only a part of the whole relationship. >The key thing is how one interconnects with other people. She made a >specific point to say that it was not that she had never met a good man, >since she was married to a wonderful man for a dozen years. (Take a few >seconds and honestly ponder that thought and it's implications!!!) I have thought about the implications, and it is scary. We have a whole generation of families broken up because some men have decided that is is okay to leave their wives and children for the thrill of a younger, more attractive woman. If we accept that it is legitimate for Jane to have divorced, how can we not accept anyone's decision to divorce because he has found someone with whom he can have a more ""deep, committed relationship."" Marriage is not a state of being, it is a mutual journey in life. Love is not a passive feeling, it must be actively willed. Is it acceptable for an older executive to dump his wife of many years who stayed home to care for the children because he can't be happy sexually unless he is with a beautiful young blonde? The real solution for both in the couple to make a renewed effort. Hold fast to the faith. Has not the Lord repeatedly compared His relation to His people as a faithful and enduring husband? We learn something very deep and very mystical when we marry and remain faithful through times of trial. My spouse has a brain tumor that has left her partially paralyzed. If it were to resume growing (it is in remission, thanks be to God!) then perhaps the time would come when we could not have sexual relations. That's life...the Lord would certainly not give me permission to seek someone else to satisfy my ""needs."" The idea that it is alright to divorce if a couple ""grows apart"" seems to me to lead to such a monstrous destruction of the meaning of marriage that I feel we must make every effort to avoid any hint of compromise. We have become so petty and small-minded that some husbands are threatening to divorce their wives unless the wives lose weight! I praise the Lord for guiding me to marry my wife. She married me anyway despite the possibility that I could have a terrible illness. And it turned out that she was the one with the brain tumor, but had I known I wouldn't have cared either. And maybe I'll be in a car accident tomorrow and become paralyzed from the neck down. A married couple should deal with these situations with the help of the Lord, not divorce and run away from them. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Organization: sgi NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: > > I propose that these two trends -- greater level of general > depression in society (and other psychological problems) and > greater sexual promiscuity -- are linked, with the latter being > a prime cause of the former. I cannot provide any evidence beyond > this at this stage, but the whole thesis seems very reasonable to > me and I request that people ponder upon it. I pondered it for all of ten seconds when I realised that since we don't have any reliable statistics for sexual promiscuity, and since the whole issue of ""depression"" isn't at all well defined for earlier centuries, you are probably talking crap. Of course, you could pull a Mozumder on us, and say that people who are having sex outside marriage are *defined* to be depressed. I can't say I'd ever noticed, myself. jon. ";-1;0 "From: aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Aurag Hassan) Subject: Re: Deir Yassin Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 25 Are you trying to say that there were no massacres in Deir Yassin or in Sabra and Shatila? If so then let me tell you some good jokes: There is not and was not any such thing like jewish killing in WWII Palestinians just did what Davidians did for fourty years and more. In fact no one was killed in any war at any time or any place. People die that is all. No one gets killed. Maybe also vietamiese didn't die in Vietnam war killed by american napalm they were just pyromaniacs and that's all. Maybe jews just liked gas chambers and no one forced them to get in there.they may be thought it was like snifing cocaine. No? What do you think of this ? Isn't it stupid to say so? Well it is as stupid as what you said .Next time you want to lie do it intelligently. Sincerely yours. Hassan ";15;1 "From: rousseaua@immunex.com Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Distribution: world Organization: Immunex Corporation, Seattle, WA Lines: 19 While in grad school, I remember a biochemistry friend of mine working with ""heat shock proteins"". Apparently, burning protein will induce changes in he DNA. Whether these changes survive the denaturing that occurs during digestion I don't know, but I never eat burnt food because of this. Also, many woods contain toxins. As they are burnt, it would seem logical that some may volatilise, and get into the BBQed food. Again, I don't know if these toxins (antifungal and anti-woodeater compounds) would survive the rather harsh conditions of the stomach and intestine, and then would they be able to cross the intestinal mucosa? Maybe someone with more biochemical background than myself (which is almost *anyone*... :)) can shed some light on heat shock proteins and the toxins that may be in the wood used to make charcoal and BBQ. Anne-Marie Rousseau e-mail: rousseaua@immunex.com What I say has nothing to do with Immunex. ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Dislocated Shoulder Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr9.181944.5353@e2big.mko.dec.com> steve@caboom.cbm.dec.com (Steve Katz) writes: > >Recently I managed to dislocate my shoulder while >sking. The injury also seems to have damaged the nerves >in my arm. I was wondering if someone could point me towards >some literature that would give me some background into >these types of injuries. Please respond by EMAIL if possible. > Your medical school library should have books on peripheral nerve injuries. Probably it was your brachial plexus, so look that up. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "Subject: AutoCAD -> TIFF Can it be done???? From: cvadrmaz@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona Nntp-Posting-Host: acvax2 Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrmaz Lines: 9 Hello, I realize that this might be a FAQ but I have to ask since I don't get a change to read this newsgroup very often. Anyways for my senior project I need to convert an AutoCad file to a TIFF file. Please I don't need anyone telling me that the AutoCAD file is a vector file and the TIFF is a bit map since I have heard that about 100 times already I would just like to know if anyone knows how to do this or at least point me to the right direction. Any help greatly appreciated, Matt Georgy ";-1;0 "From: jf4527@adx.adelphi.edu (Jamie Fitzpatrick) Subject: Re: Photogrammetric Camera Keywords: photogrammetric Camera Organization: Adelphi University Lines: 20 Hello, While refurbishing our observatory I came across the above mentioned camera. It was manufactured by the Instrument Corporation of Florida ~ 1970. Now for my questions: 1) Does anyone have any knowledge of this equipement ? 2) Does anyone know of the company (phone numbers ?) ? 3) Are there any others out there...I need some parts. Any responces are greatly appreciated. take care, jamie jf4527@adx.adelphi.edu ";-1;0 "Nntp-Posting-Host: surt.ifi.uio.no From: Thomas Parsli Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) In-Reply-To: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements)'s message of 21 Apr 1993 12:34:51 GMT Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway <1993Apr20.083057.16899@ousrvr.oulu.fi> <1993Apr21.091130.17788@ousrvr.oulu.fi> <1r3f1bINN3n6@gap.caltech.edu> Lines: 24 Originator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no Chemical weapons are not concidered a *very* effectiv weapon against millitary forces. On civillians on the other hand.... That's one GOOD reason for banning it. You need VAST amounts of chemicals to be affective, so the best reason to have/use it is price. (that's why it's called The Poor Mans A-bomb) Any thoughts on Bio-weapons ?? If this discusion is about civillians having chem-weapons; What should they use them on?? Rob a bank ?? This is not a .signature. It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil Internet. Thomas Parsli thomasp@ifi.uio.no ";-1;0 "From: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au Subject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City Reply-To: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au Organization: University of Technology Sydney Lines: 49 In article evensont@spot.Colorado.EDU (EVENSON THOMAS RANDALL) writes: >In article reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) writes: >>Deon.Strydom@f7.n7104.z5.fidonet.org (Deon Strydom) writes: >> >Which brings me around to asking an open question. Is the Bible a closed >book of Scripture? Is it okay for us to go around saying ""God told >me this"" and ""Jesus told me that""? Wouldn't that imply that God is STILL >pouring out new revelation to us? I know that some people will feel >that is okay, and some will not. The concept of a closed canon would >certainly cast a shadow on contemporary prophets. On the other hand, >an open canon seems to be indicated sometimes. > Let's get back to basics. Canon (from the latin) means a rule. If we say that a rule is open then its a rule made to be broken. There is an issue also of measurement against a rule. Thus the words that are spoken need to be compared against the rule/canon but not added to the canon. Is new revelation necessary? Topical, current, personal revelation I'd say is necessary. New revelation for all people for all times is not necessary as we have that in Scripture. You also seem to confuse canon with scripture. Scripture may speak of itself being open - ie God speaking today. It would speak that it is closed in the sense that the canon is unchangeable. (Though the concept of canon is later historically.) >Also interesting to note is that some so called prophecies are nothing new >but rather an inspired translation of scripture. Is it right to call >that prophecy? Misleading? Wouldn't that be more having to do with >knowledge? I know, the gift of knowledge may not be as exciting to >talk about, but shouldn't we call a horse a horse? > I agree with the problem of confusion. If prophecy is meant to encourage, exhort or correct then is an overlap with scripture. If prophecy is meant to bring a `word' of the form ""the man you live with is not your husband"" then that is knowledge. Yet the exact words their are scripture. I would expect the difference to be the motive and means for delivery. The reading of scripture itself can be a powerful force. Regards David -- David Morgan| University of Technology Sydney | morgan@socs.uts.edu.au _--_|\ | Po Box 123 Broadway NSW 2007 | Ph: + 61 2 330 1864 / \ | 15-73 Broadway Sydney | Fax: +61 2 330 1807 \_.--._/ ""I paid good money to get my opinions; you get them for free"" v ";-1;0 "From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) Subject: Braves offensive offense Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 16 Deion Sanders hit a home run in his only AB today. Nixon was 1 for 4. Infield single. Deion's batting over .400 Nixon: around .200. Whom would YOU start? Wise up, Bobby. See y'all at the ballyard Go Braves Chop Chop Michael Mule' -- Michael Andre Mule Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Organization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes: :Judge: ""I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key : itself"" :You: ""The keyphrase is: ""I confess to deliberately evading copyright; : the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of : copyrighted Peanuts strips."""" :Judge and CP: ""Oh."" : How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or :can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will :they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal? Hm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment like they are doing in the LAPD trial? Ie your judge is a state judge, and then a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the same trail. -- Kenneth Ng Please reply to ken@blue.njit.edu for now. ""All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting on someone's table"" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG ";-1;0 "From: jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later) Subject: eXpEn$iVe MOTOROLA Handheld Radio For Peanuts! Distribution: na Organization: WINCO Lines: 36 Heavy-duty, commercial, TINY,(6x3x1/2 inch) WATERPROOF, VHF 2 watt, 2 channel, handheld two-way radio. MOTOROLA EXPO purchased NEW for Amateur frequencies 146.10/70 & 146.34/94. Absolute M I N T condition! Never scratched, dropped, opened, or otherwise ""comprosmised""! Can be re-crystaled for business band. has PL slot. Original Price: ======================== MOTOROLA EXPO VHF 2WATT/2CHAN. 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Later WB7TZA ""jeffl@pmafire.inel.gov"" | ""I have become || ||*""Disclaimer, Disclaimer, Where's My Lawyer!""* | comfortably numb"" || || | Pink Floyd || | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";8;1 "From: lingeke2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ken Linger) Subject: 32 Bit System Zone Organization: Purdue University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 32 A week or so ago, I posted about a problem with my SE/30: I have 20 megs or true RAM, yet if I set my extensions to use a large amount of memory (total of all extensions) then my system will crash before the finder comes up. What I meant was having a large amount of fonts load, or sounds, or huge disk caches with a control panel other than Apple's memory control panel. Apple's cache is at 64K, mode 32 is on, and so is 32 bit addressing. All extensions work by themselves or with the others until I increase the memory used by some of them (with methods mentioned above). Well, here's my latest followup... I ran NOWs System Profile and got this information: %%% Memory info %%% Physical RAM size: 20480K. Logical RAM size: 20480K. Size of Low Memory Area: 8K. Virtual Memory: Inactive. Addressing mode: 32bit mode in use. 32 bit System zone: Absent. Parity RAM: Not capable. Growable System Heap: True. Temporary memory support: Present. Tempory Memory Support: Real and tracked. Note that 32 bit System zone is absent. Could this be the problem? How can I turn this on? Any ideas? Can anyone help? Ken ";-1;0 "From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my.... Lines: 88 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you >just make me chuckle That's nice. We strive for entertainment value. :-) >- I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a >pick-up truck in front of the car that my friend and I were in. It had a bumper >sticker proclaiming ""Gun Control is a firm grip on a .45."" Now I'm sure that >that wanker thought he was pretty cool. >What he didn't realize was that we took a photo of the back of his truck, and >showed it to our friends when we got back to Vancouver, Canada (where I'm from >originally). People were guffawing at the basic stupidity of such a >sticker, and the even greater stupidity of the person who put it there in the >first place! :) In the first place, you have to realize the feeling goes both ways. Canadians laugh at the U.S., and Americans simply shrug and woner why the hell we let them be a State in the first place. ;-) >I knew somebody else who went to one of your ""Gun-mart"" superstore places, just >so he could experience the sight of people putting guns and ammo into shopping >carts! I didn't believe it myself until I drove by one in Vegas last year!!! Interesting strategy, posting here with complaints about people elsewhere. >Now that I live in Britain, I can see how the rest of the civilized world >perceives you gun-nut morons. Courtesy is apparently a dead commodity in the rest of the civilized world. ""Gun nut morons,"" indeed. >The BBC recently referred to the American >penchant for pistols, automatic weapons,etc. very appropriately - it was >called a ""national eccentricity."" We've got guns, they've got a monarch and an economy on the verg of collapse. Finger pointing across the Atlanticis a waste or time. >The only problem is that Canada, I hear, is suffering from your national >eccentricity, in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the >border. Canada has been blaming the U.S. for their problems for years. The simple fact of the matter is this: Ten years ago they crowed about how great their system was because they'd gotten rid of the guns and the U.S. would be so much better if they'd just get into the divine light shining from the North. We pointed out that it was cultural differences, and pointed to their pre-control crime rates. We also pointed out that the history of the entire world contained smuggling, and that whenever something was wanted, it was smuggled in. If the problem were based on U.S. guns, it would have surfaced years before. Now more Canadian criminals want guns. And they are being provided. Canada has its own version of the drug problem. Yet drugs are prohibited in the U.S. >Hell, here in Britain, the cops don't even carry guns. (That's another funny >thing - you see a US border guard, and he's got his .45 or .38 on his belt, >with tons o' spare ammo - never know, maybe some canadian shopper might get out >of hand. Hell, as I recall, in People's Court, even Rusty carried a gun! Never >know, some plaintiff might go nuts. :) ) Saw a news report out of Britain that armed crime is on the rise, and several police agencies are considering have permanent ""firearms officers"" to deal with it. According to U.S. News & World Report, British handgun deaths have risen over 250% over the past twelve years. The U.S. number has dropped 5%. Maybe they're smuggling them across the U.S./U.K. border. Yeah, that's the ticket. >CYA! Have a nice day, Steve. Learn a little common courtesy and politeness. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" ";3;1 "From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com Subject: Serdar Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu What an anal retentive you are wimp. ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 138 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > In article <1r21g2INNeah@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: > >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) > >writes: > >> In article <1993Apr20.163730.16128@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu > >(Andrew Betz) writes: > >> >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) > >writes: > >> >>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their > >> >>hands up while national tv cameras watch. > >> >> > >> >Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever > >> >really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of > >> >a humiliated agency that said (quote!) ""Enough is enough."" > >> > >> Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people > >> come out with their hands up several weeks ago. > >> > >It didn't happen. > > And who is responsible for it not happening? > Certainly not the children. Koresh was calling the shots. He was > talking with his lawyer and the FBI. Since others were released safely, > there is no sane reason for keeping the children inside the compound. > The FBI and Koresh were calling the shots. And there were very sane reasons for keeping the children, if they let them go, the parents would NEVER see them again. That is not an easy choice, in spite of you cold attitude about it. > >> >>scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally > >> >>believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely > >> >>scenarios. > >> > > >> >The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating > >> >that MLK was having an affair! Again, please tell us exactly > >> >how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government. > >> > >> More than someone who would not release children from the compound. > >> > >Obviously. You are an authority worshiper. > > Not at all. Are you a Koresh worshiper? I am a constitution worshiper. You quite obviously eat anything the authorities feed you, without doubt, which makes you no different that a Koresh worshiper > > >> I.e., more than David Koresh/Vernon Howell/""Jesus Christ"". > >> I saw lengthy excerpts from an Australian documentary made in > >> 1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult. > > > >Give me a camera, and time with you, and I can present excerpts that show you > >to be a cult leader. Guarenteed. > > Thanks for my laugh of the day! Definitely a very silly supposition. > If you do not believe this, you are truly naive. It is not only possible, it is easy. I worked in the broadcast profession, at a network station, in the late 70s, I know what I'm saying here. Embarrasing footage is easy to get, add a little sinister music, and the right voice-over, and I'll have you mother agreeing to commit you. > >You should at least view the whole > >documentary before you claim it as a source. > > I would if I could. The news show that showed the lengthy excerpts also > had interviews with the filmmaker who made the documentary who basically > confirmed what was shown in the excerpts from the time he spent at the > compound in 1992. > The news shows were looking for excerpts which backed their position. Do you think they would show excerpts which disproved their points? > >> I am not pleased with the BATF handling of the affair. I think they > >> bungled it badly from the start. But I don't think they are > >> responsible for the fire, which started in two different places. > > > >Two places, eh? You saw this? Or did the wonderful FBI tell you this? > >I saw one place. > > I believe that this was reported by local radio reporters on site. > A fire started in a three story tower at the same time as the two > story window shown on the tv coverage. > The reports of multi-starts came solely from the FBI. Anyone observing the fire from the available video would be hard pressed to see more than one point of fire. Which spread across the compound as a uniform rate. > >> >>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair. > >> >>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is > >> >>ludicrous. > >> > > >> >I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to > >> >risk small arms fire to get some good footage. These people > >> >were told to get the hell out of camera range. Why? > > > >Couldn't answer this one, eh? This is the most important question of all, it > >is the root cause of all the other suspicion. > > I thought about mentioning how Reagan and the military treated the press > in Grenada and how that set the precedent, but decided it wasn't worthy > of discussion. If the news reporter got shot, you can bet his family > would sue the government for letting him into the danger area. No reported has ever sued the government for such a situation. They know the dangers. Remember, the BATF invited the initial coverage. And how about a simple, remote-controlled, camera or two? There were ways to provide media access. The FBI obviously just didn't want any. > > The root cause of suspicion in my mind is why 100 people wouldn't flee > a building that had numerous exits during the 30 minutes time it took > to burn down. Or why didn't they flee hours earlier when the tear gas was > first introduced? I can find no rational explanation for their behavior. > I can find several. Tear gas and smoke making it impossible to remove the barricades. Flames blocking exits to the saferooms. Perhaps the gun shots were from the FBI, keeping them pinned in? Who knows? > -- > Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: ""Brain abscess"" definition needed Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr8.123213.1@tardis.mdcorp.ksc.nasa.gov> fresa@tardis.mdcorp.ksc.nasa.gov writes: >Could someone please define a ""brain abscess"" for me? A relative has one near >his cerebellum. A brain abscess is an infection deep in the brain substance. It is hard to cure with antibiotics, since it gets walled off, and usually, it needs surgical drainage. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: dick@bart.starnet.com (Dick Montgomery) Subject: Re: X-window for PC Organization: StarNet Communications Corp. Lines: 23 Briefly, StarNet Communications has four PC X server packages. Micro X-lite $ 75.00 Includes integrated tcp/ip, runs in 640KB, no arcs(). 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For more information contact: ---------------------------------------------------------------- StarNet Communications FAX: 1-408-739-0936 3073 Lawrence Expressway Voice: 1-408-739-0881 Santa Clara, Ca. 95051 E-mail microx@starnet.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 29 In article , arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) wrote: > > In article <115694@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: > >I think many reading this group would also benefit by knowing how > >deviant the view _as I've articulated it above_ (which may not be > >the true view of Khomeini) is from the basic principles of Islam. > > From the point ov view of an atheist, I see you claim Khomeini wasn't > practicing true Islam. But I'm sure that he would have said the same about > you. How am I, a member of neither group, supposed to be able to tell which > one of you two is really a true Muslim? Fred Rice answered this already in an early posting: ""The problem with your argument is that you do not _know_ who is a _real_ believer and who may be ""faking it"". This is something known only by the person him/herself (and God). Your assumption that anyone who _claims_ to be a ""believer"" _is_ a ""believer"" is not necessarily true."" In other words it seems that nobody could define who is a true and false Muslim. We are back to square one, Khomeini and Hussein are still innocent and can't be defined as evil or good Islamic worshippers. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: tkevans@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Tim Evans) Subject: Re: Royals Reply-To: tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com Organization: DuPont Engineering Physics Laboratory X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 Lines: 17 randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes: >The Royals are darkness. They are the void of our time. >When they play, shame descends upon the land like a cold front >from Canada. They are a humiliation to all who have lived and >all who shall ever live. They are utterly and completely >doomed. >Other than that, I guess they're OK. You must not be old enough to remember the A's in KC! -- Tim Evans | E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co. tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com | Experimental Station (302) 695-9353/7395 | P.O. Box 80357 EVANSTK AT A1 AT ESVAX | Wilmington, Delaware 19880-0357 ";-1;0 "From: rtsbangi@msuvx1.memst.edu Subject: ********cd for sale******** Distribution: world Organization: Memphis State University Lines: 11 cd's for sale: 1. jon bon jovi - new jersey $8.00 2. boomerang - soundtrack $8.00 3. the police - every breath you take $8.00 */ $1.00 s/h e_mail rtsbangi@memstvx1.memst.edu ";-1;0 "From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Distribution: na Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 18 prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce >May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. >Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? A good summary has been posted (thanks), but I wanted to add another comment. I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in connection with their proposal for an early manned landing. Sorry I don't rember where I heard this, but I'm fairly sure it was somewhere reputable. Anyone else know anything on this angle? Hrumph. They didn't send _me_ anything :( -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal ";-1;0 "From: stefan@prague (Stefan Fielding-Isaacs) Subject: Racelist: WHO WHAT WHERE Distribution: rec Organization: Gain Technology, Palo Alto, CA. Lines: 111 Nntp-Posting-Host: prague.gain.com Greetings fellow motorcycle roadracing enthusiasts! BACKGROUND ---------- The racing listserver (boogie.EBay.sun.com) contains discussions devoted to racing and racing-related topics. This is a pretty broad interest group. Individuals have a variety of backgrounds: motojournalism, roadracing from the perspective of pit crew and racers, engineering, motosports enthusiasts. 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OTHER LISTS ----------- Two-strokes: 2strokes@microunity.com Harleys: harley-request@thinkage.on.ca or uunet!watmath!thinkage!harley-request European bikes: majordomo@onion.rain.com (in body of message write: subscribe euro-moto) thanks, be seeing you, Rich (race list administrator) rich@boogie.EBay.Sun.COM -- Stefan Fielding-Isaacs 415.822.5654 office/fax dba Art & Science ""Books By Design"" 415.599.4876 voice/pager AMA/CCS #14 * currently providing consulting writing services to: Gain Technology, Verity * ";-1;0 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 36 atboyken@iastate.edu (Aaron T Boyken) writes: > >Here's a question: what if, instead of a true VAT, the federal >government imposed a sales tax of say 2-3%? The tax would only >be paid on retail sales (thus not building up at all levels of >production costs that are just passed on to consumers anyway), >and would only go to reducing the deficit. (I know that this >would never happen, but it seems a lot more palettable than >a VAT). Canada's GST is collected as a sales tax and is considered a VAT. Funnily, the previous hidden wholesale tax that it replaces was never referred to as a tax (or, people never paid mind to it, thus the uproar when it was brought up front as the GST --- one party has actually campaigned on hiding the tax again). The stated intent of the Tories was to use the GST to write down our deficit. Unfortunately, their legislation didn't include any mechanism for disbursing the collected funds in such a manner and the money is now sitting in escrow. I don't know what is involved in releasing the funds, but one dilemna is that the Tories are not fiscal conservatives themselves though while taxing and spending, they've made moves to apply the breaks to a runaway locomotive by the end of this time --- the end of their second term (~9 years). While they do have chances of getting a third term, catching up in the polls to their more moderate/slightly leftish pro-business rivals, the Liberals (as in Euro/UK), the Tories' heir-apparent for the leaders' mantle has been termed a clone of Hillary Clinton ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";-1;0 "From: john@wa3wbu.UUCP (John Gayman) Subject: Re: ATI build 59 drivers ""good""? Summary: ATI Organization: WA3WBU, Marysville, PA Lines: 22 In article , larryhow@austin.ibm.com writes: > > How stable are the build 59 drivers? Are people having success installing > and running with these? > I've been using the Build59 drivers on a GW2K 4DX2-66V for several weeks with no problems. I'm running Windows in 1024x758 and all software I've run has worked fine. This includes many games and the CD-based multi-media encyclopedia, on which the full-motion video works fine. I'd recommend you give them a try. -- John -- John Gayman, WA3WBU UUCP: uunet!wa3wbu!john Packet: WA3WBU @ WB3EAH ";-1;0 "From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: New Name for the Stanley Cup Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 56 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <1993Apr2.202146.22837@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> phoenix@startide.ctr.columbia.edu (Ali Lemer) writes: > >Of course we need new position names for those unable to remember the >very complicated hockey terminology: > >Old Name New Name >-------- -------- > >Centre The Guy in the Middle >Left Wing The Guy on the Left >Right Wing The Guy on the Right >Defenceman The Guy Back There >Goaltender The Guy in the Net (or ""cage"", as my mother calls it) >Referee The Guy with the Whistle >Linesman The Guy with the Arms >Coach The Guy in the Suit >GM The Head Guy >Puck The Black Thing >Red Line The Line in the Middle >Blue Line The Line on the Side >Crease The Place in front of the Guy in the Net >Faceoff Circle The Round Thing Where They Stand >Slot or Point Over There (must point to accompany term) >Bench The Place Where They Sit >Penalty Box The Place Where They Sit When They're Bad Mr. Bettman The Guy in the Wrong Sport Mr. Stein The Guy Who Should Be In Charge But Isn't Of course, we also need new names for the individual awards, and other stuff like the President's Cup. President's Cup The Trophy Given To the Best Regular-Season Team Hart winner The Most Valuable Player, chosen from the Guys in the Middle, the Guys on the Right, the Guys on the Left, the Guys Back There, and the Guy in the Net, though typically given only to the Guys in the Middle and the Guys on the Left and on the Right Norris winner The Best Guy in the back; or, the Guy who was awarded for something even though he is not one of the Guys in the Middle or on the Left or the Right ...ad nauseum. :-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""Next time you go over my head, I'll have yours on a platter."" -- Cmdr. Benjamin Sisko, 1993 ";13;1 "From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Subject: Re: Die Koresh Die! Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting Lines: 9 The explanations of Federal law enforcement officials about what happened in Waco is just another example of the survivors writing the history books to put themselves in the best of a bad light. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. ";-1;0 "From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: Auction: Diana's bra Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr2.163531.12974@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes: |> Next thing you know I'll see bikes with Geeky stickers parked |> outside the local white wine, quiche, and fern bar. Hey! I LIKE quiche, even if I did have to look at your note to spell it (assumed) correctly. Really, you <*sniff*> tough guys are all the same... (MOMMY! Curtis is making fun of ferns again!!!!) ";7;1 "From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 61 Vera Shanti Noyes writes; >this is what indicates to me that you may believe in predestination. >am i correct? i do not believe in predestination -- i believe we all >choose whether or not we will accept God's gift of salvation to us. >again, fundamental difference which can't really be resolved. Of course I believe in Predestination. It's a very biblical doctrine as Romans 8.28-30 shows (among other passages). Furthermore, the Church has always taught predestination, from the very beginning. But to say that I believe in Predestination does not mean I do not believe in free will. Men freely choose the course of their life, which is also affected by the grace of God. However, unlike the Calvinists and Jansenists, I hold that grace is resistable, otherwise you end up with the idiocy of denying the universal saving will of God (1 Timothy 2.4). For God must give enough grace to all to be saved. But only the elect, who he foreknew, are predestined and receive the grace of final perserverance, which guarantees heaven. This does not mean that those without that grace can't be saved, it just means that god foreknew their obstinacy and chose not to give it to them, knowing they would not need it, as they had freely chosen hell. ^^^^^^^^^^^ People who are saved are saved by the grace of God, and not by their own effort, for it was God who disposed them to Himself, and predestined them to become saints. But those who perish in everlasting fire perish because they hardened their heart and chose to perish. Thus, they were deserving of God;s punishment, as they had rejected their Creator, and sinned against the working of the Holy Spirit. >yes, it is up to God to judge. but he will only mete out that >punishment at the last judgement. Well, I would hold that as God most certainly gives everybody some blessing for what good they have done (even if it was only a little), for those He can't bless in the next life, He blesses in this one. And those He will not punish in the next life, will be chastised in this one or in Purgatory for their sins. Every sin incurs some temporal punishment, thus, God will punish it unless satisfaction is made for it (cf. 2 Samuel 12.13-14, David's sin of Adultery and Murder were forgiven, but he was still punished with the death of his child.) And I need not point out the idea of punishment because of God's judgement is quite prevelant in the Bible. Sodom and Gommorrah, Moses barred from the Holy Land, the slaughter of the Cannanites, Annias and Saphira, Jerusalem in 70 AD, etc. > if jesus stopped the stoning of an adulterous woman (perhaps this is not a >good parallel, but i'm going to go with it anyway), why should we not >stop the murder and violation of people who may (or may not) be more >innocent? We should stop the slaughter of the innocent (cf Proverbs 24.11-12), but does that mean that Christians should support a war in Bosnia with the U.S. or even the U.N. involved? I do not think so, but I am an isolationist, and disagree with foreign adventures in general. But in the case of Bosnia, I frankly see no excuse for us getting militarily involved, it would not be a ""just war."" ""Blessed"" after all, ""are the peacemakers"" was what Our Lord said, not the interventionists. Our actions in Bosnia must be for peace, and not for a war which is unrelated to anything to justify it for us. Andy Byler ";17;1 "From: west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West) Subject: Re: Dean Palmer Hurt? Nntp-Posting-Host: swan.esd.dl.nec.com Organization: Engineering and Support Division, NEC America, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 14 Edward Ouellette (edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) wrote: : I think Dean got hit by a pitched ball the other night... he got pinch hit for : and didn't play against Baltimore tonight... whats up with that? Is he hurt? : Please tell me he's not... He evidentally got hit in the elbow by a Fernando pitch. His arm swelled from the elbow to the wrist (or something like that). They took X-rays of the arm and there is nothing damaged. He missed the last game with the Orioles, but he is suppose to be ready for the next game. Hope this helps. Mike West west@esd.dl.nec.com ";-1;0 "From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) Subject: Re: Catholic Right & Pat Robertson Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 18 In <93105.093812KEVXU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes: >Rocco L. Martino, a Philadelphia business >executive wrote: ""Separation of church and state is a false premise >that must finally be cast aside and replaced by the true meaning of >our constitution."" blechhhh. Gimme that ole' time Inquisition ... >Oh yes, the organization's ""national ecclesisatical advisor"" is >Catholic politician Cardinal John J. O'Connor of New York. It figures, doesn't it? -- Michael L. Siemon We must know the truth, and we must mls@ulysses.att.com love the truth we know, and we must - or - act according to the measure of our love. mls@panix.com -- Thomas Merton ";-1;0 "From: turner@reed.edu (Havok impersonated) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr16.170752.6312 Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR Lines: 35 In article <1qlgdrINN79b@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes: >In article <1993Apr15.173902.66278@cc.usu.edu>, slyx0@cc.usu.edu writes: >=Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One >=slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know >=he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized >=swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that, >=however, because that's not written in their little rule book. >Of course, bee venom isn't a single chemical. Could be your brother is >reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock >in other people. Hmmm. The last time I got stung by a bee I experienced the same reaction the first poster's brother did. We went off to the doctor to see if I should worry about the fact that my foot was now about 3 times it's normal size. (And itched!!! Ow!) He basically said I shouldn't this time, but that bee sting allergy was not something you tended to get aclimatized to, but were something that each time got progressively worse generally and that next time could be the time I go into anaphylactic shock. Admittedly this was many years ago when I was young. Since then I just make sure I don't get stung. I also should carry a bee sting kit with me, but I don't. This isn't scientific or proof, but this would lead me to believe it's not a different reaction, just a different degree of reaction. Allergies work that way. People have various reactions. Sort of like diabetes, some people can get by with just monitoring their diet, others have to monitor their diet and use insulin sometimes while others have to watch their diet like a hawk and use insulin regularly. I think MSG is probably similar...some people have allergic reactions to it. Some people are allergic to fermented things and can't use soy sauce...but the chinese have been using it for centuries... that doesn't necessarily mean that it's safe for everyone. Johanna turner@reed.edu ";4;1 "From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? Organization: Stratus Computer, Marlboro Ma. Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com In article rogerw@world.std.com (Roger A Williams) wrote: >mdonahue@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Donahue) writes: > > >>I do NOT know much about Adcom Mobil Audio products, but I DO know for a fact >>that ADCOM does NOT make its own ""High End"" Home Audio Equptment and that 80%+ >>of it comes directly out of Tiawan... > >Like most high-volume manufacturers, Adcom has most of its PC boards >assembled off-shore (in their case, mostly in the far east). Final >assembly _and testing_ are done in East Brunswick. > and of course you older folks on the net will remember way back when Adcom got its RAVE reviews and kudos (ca 1985 or so) their 555 amp and preamp WERE not only designed here but built here in the USA. then they went to mexico and then to taiwan right after their sales skyrocketed because of their Stereopile review!!! if you have units that old look for MADE IN --- stickers on your unit. ";11;1 "From: pittam@fencer.cis.dsto.gov.au Subject: WordBasic SDK Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation Lines: 19 Reply-To: pitt@cis.dsto.gov.au NNTP-Posting-Host: fencer.cis.dsto.gov.au Request for Information I have been reading about an organisation called ""WinWord Developer's Relations Group"". I believe they have produced publications called WinWord Software Development Kit (or WordBasic SDK) and 'The Proceedings of the Windows Developers' Tools Conference, WordBasic' sessions assembled by Steve Wexler. Would you be able to help me with a contact name and address for this organisation or these publications. Thank you -- Adrian Pitt - Systems Administrator DSTO Corporate Information Systems Unit (Melbourne) 506 Lorimer Street, Fishermens Bend, VIC 3207 Australia Phone (03) 647 7881 Fax (03) 646 6061 email pitt@cis.dsto.gov.au ";-1;0 "From: kehoe@netcom.com (Thomas David Kehoe) Subject: Re: How starters work really Keywords: fluorescent bulb starter neon Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 35 >>So when you turn on the power, this causes the bulb to work like a neon, > >Imprecise. This description > > 1. ignores the role of the ballast, > 2. misrepresents the heating effects in the starter. > >The bimetalic strip cools down immediately after the contacts I've been thinking of sending into Mad magazine an idea for a parody, of those books entitled ""How Things Work"" that engineers buy their sons, which explain how engines, elevators, flourescent lights, etc. work. The parody would be ""How Things Really Work."" Under ""Canned Food"", on the left page you'd see the description from ""How Things Work"": gleaming stainless steel equipment pasteurizing the food to precisely the right temperature, then sealing the can in an oxygen-free environment, etc. On the right page you'd see ""How Things Really Work"": brain-dead workers sending disgusting food to the gleaming equipment -- rotting vegetables, parts of animals people don't eat, barrels of sugar and chemicals. Under ""Elevators"" you'd see (on the left) computer geniuses working out algorithms so that X number of people waiting for Y elevators will get to Z floors in the shortest time. On the right, you'd see giggling elevator controllers behind a one-way mirror in the lobby choosing which people appear to be in the biggest hurry and making them wait longest. -- ""Why my thoughts are my own, when they are in, but when they are out they are another's."" - Susannah Martin, hanged for witchcraft, 1692. Thomas David Kehoe kehoe@netcom.com (408) 354-5926 ";-1;0 "From: Tony Lezard Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryp Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 13 gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: > Whatever happens though, the effect of this new chip will be to make private > crypto stand out like a sore thumb. ONLY IF this chip catches on. Which means alternatives have to be developed. Which will only happen if Clipper is discredited. -- Tony Lezard IS tony@mantis.co.uk | PGP 2.2 public key available from key OR tony%mantis.co.uk@uknet.ac.uk | servers such as pgp-public-keys@demon.co.uk OR EVEN arl10@phx.cam.ac.uk | 172045 / 3C85783F 09BBEA0C B86CF9C6 7A5FA172 ";16;1 "From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: Allegheny College In article <1993Apr15.214421.1@acad.drake.edu> sbp002@acad.drake.edu writes: I remember reading somewhere that 7% of the league was jewish during the 50's. Now, there is practically NOBODY ";-1;0 "From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend) Subject: Re: Stolen AARGHHHH..... In-Reply-To: dam9543@ritvax.isc.rit.edu's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:53:17 GMT Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service Lines: 17 ""dam9543"" == dam9543 writes: dam9543> I get back drom work today, look at me bike before dam9543> proceding in-side. I nearly shit, my new DRY RIDER cover is dam9543> gone! Barely two weeks old, and already gone, GOD-AM Somebody stole my trashed old Honda red/white/blue cover off a KZ440LTD in residential Palo Alto a couple of weeks ago. The cover had *holes* burnt in it around the exhaust, etc etc. I figured it was just kids, but maybe not... -- jet@netcom.com -- J. Eric Townsend -- '92 R100R, DoD# (hafta kill you...) This is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov ""You got to put down the ducky if you wanna play saxophone."" Skate UNIX or die, boyo. ";-1;0 "From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com Subject: Argic Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu I have one word for you LOSER!!!! ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: bates@spica.ucsb.edu (Andrew M. Bates) Subject: Renderman Shaders/Discussion? Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Lines: 12 Does anyone know of a site where I could ftp some RenderMan shaders? Or of a newsgroup which has discussion or information about RenderMan? I'm new to the RenderMan (Mac) family, and I'd like to get as much info I can lay my hands on. Thanks! Andy Bates. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andy Bates. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";1;1 "Distribution: world From: hyerstay@adrenaline.com (Jason Hyerstay) Organization: Adrenaline Online, (802) 425-2332, a FirstClass BBS Subject: Re: Mac oriented BBSs in Chicago Lines: 28 > A member of the local BBS I frequent is looking for Mac oriented > BBSs based in Chicago. > > Any leads would be most appreciated. Here is a list of the FirstClass systems in Illinois: Chicago Machine Chicago, IL (312) 233-9607 Insane Domain Chicago, IL (312) 274-9515 MAC Universe BBS Chicago, IL (312) 235-6794 The NET Rockford, IL (815) 968-4729 MacTRIPP Wilmette, IL (708) 251-4158 Innovators Vernon Hills, IL (708) 918-1231 If anyone wants the numbers to more FirstClass systems, I would be glad to post the complete list. - Jason Hyerstay - Adrenaline Admin =========================================================================== = /| |\ |-\ /-- \ | /\ | | \ | /-- Adrenaline Online (FirstClass) = = /-| | \ |_/ |- |\| /--| | | |\| |- (802) 425-2332 * Charlotte, VT = = / | |_/ | \ \-- | \ | | |-- | | \ \-- Free Access!! * 16.8K HST Dual = =========================================================================== = OneNet * MacUnion * FidoNet * UseNet * 120+ Conferences * Megs of Files = = Dedicated to Mac users, cyberpunks, civil libertarians and mecha gamers = =========================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (andrew.r.tripp) Subject: Airline Tickets -- O'Hare->Tuscon Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Keywords: Tickets - O'Hare->Tucson Round Tripp Lines: 29 Two Round-Trip Tickets O'Hare --> Tuscon American Airlines Good thru November No Reasonable Offer Refused, But lets start at $750 for both (Paid $925) Hopefully someone can use these as I have no use for them, and don't know a way to get my moneys worth without going to Tuscon again! ` E-Mail only at this time tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Now why would AT&T or Butler Services have anything to do with my warped ramblings?! Crabby-Old-Fart Mechanical/PCB Designer w/buku CAD background, & still working on BSCS is looking for work! 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Culpepper (fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu) wrote: >>[...] >>A couple of years ago I put together a Tesla circuit which >>was published in an electronics magazine and could have been >>the circuit which is referred to here. This one used a >>flyback transformer from a tv onto which you wound your own >>primary windings. It also used 2 power transistors in a TO 3 >[...] >10 years ago I built a 1'000,000 volt Tesla, and the thing was VERY >spectacular, but besides scaring/amazing friends (depending on their >knowledge of Science), and generating strong EMI, I never found anything >useful that could be done with it ... Is there any real-world application >for Tesla coils today ? > >David Prutchi First of all, realize that Tesla invented AC power generators, motors, transformers, conductors, etc. Technically, *ALL* transformers are Tesla coils. In general though when someone refers to a Tesla coil, they mean an ""air core resonant transformer"". The TV flyback version Tesla coil (see the _Encyclopedia_of_Electronic_Circuits_ V3, 106-1 for diagram) has NOT an air core. It is of a class of circuit called ""Oscillating Shuttle Circuit"" (OSC). Generally OSC's are highly efficient, but this version uses transistors and resistors, which are very lossy devices. Typically Tesla used active reactances instead of passive resistors, so that he could achieve efficiencies of 99.5%, and better. The usual application of an air-core resonant transformer, or of an OSC, is to produce strong EMI for wireless broadcasts. How well do you think your computer screen would work if we removed the HF HV Tesla (flyback) coil from it? If we were to remove from our homes and industries all Tesla coils, our lights would go dark, our cars would sputter and die, our radios would go silent, our industries would grind to a halt, and we would have to go back to using coal for heat, gas for lamps, horses for transportation, steam for power, and telegraph for communication. Is that real world enough for you??????? GET THE MESSAGE! WE WOULD NOT HAVE 1/100 THE CONVIENIENCES WE HAVE TODAY IF NOT FOR TESLA. GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE! If it had been up to Edison, we'd still be in the 19th century. (flame me at your own peril. I'm very good at putting edison down). ---- ET ""Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes"". ---- ";-1;0 "From: neideck@nestvx.enet.dec.com (Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Organization: CEC Karlsruhe Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: NESTVX In article <1993Apr22.215913.23501@nrao.edu> rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes: > ... remove the shared memory segment... > Terrible, but it works. Why is that terrible ? That's exactly the way our code has been doing it for two years now and is the way that temporary files in UNIX systems are managed most of the time (open, unlink). Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz Distributed Multimedia Group, CEC Karlsruhe EERP Portfolio Manager Software Motion Pictures & BERKOM II Project Multimedia Base Technology Digital Equipment Corporation neidecker@nestvx.enet.dec.com ";-1;0 "From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Ax the ATF Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) writes: > It's hard to know what/who to believe. However, the letter I received from > the BATF, in response to one I sent to Bentsen, said that there was a search > warrant AND an arrest warrant. Check again. You may find that the arrest warrant was issued AFTER the first firefight. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... ";-1;0 "From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) Subject: Wanted: 286 motherboard, VGA card Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 9 I am looking for a 286 motherboard, preferable 12 or 16, 640k or 1 meg RAM. I am also looking for a VGA card. Am willing to trade 1200 external, 5.25"" LD Drive, 8088 motherboard, monochrome monitor, Game Boy, in some combination for the above. Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. I define myself--tsa@cellar.org ";-1;0 "From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) Subject: sign of the times... Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 Lines: 31 Reply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray) NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Article in this morning's Houston Post....""negotiators send food to rebellious inmates as humanitarian gesture""...speaking about the Ohio prison riot where they have killed at least one of the hostage guards. I know it's not the same ""group"" but the mindset appears to be common to ""those what rule"" here lately....they won't give diddley to the BD's in Waco but they treat criminals as deserving of ""humanitarian gestures"". This is but another indicator that the criminal caste seems to enjoy more priviliges in today's society than their victims or other law abiding citizens. What is it that makes the criminal so precious to the ""leaders of the system""? Could it be that the criminal is one of the ""tools"" the ""authorities"" are using to ""excuse"" some of the rights negation they are trying to foist upon the law abiding citizen in the name of crime control....don't solve the crime problem because then the citizen couldn't be held hostage to ""our help"". If the crime problem were solved in favor of the citizen/victim at the expense of the criminal none of the crap such as RICO and gun banning could be used as excuses to work the agenda of those who would control our every move and thought. --- . OLX 2.2 . If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | | Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.JP (Alexander Cerna (SV)) Subject: transparent widgets--how? Organization: The Internet Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Cc: cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.jp I need to write an application which does annotation notes on existing documents. The annotation could be done several times by different people. The idea is something like having several acetate transparencies stacked on top of each other so that the user can see through all of them. I've seen something like this being done by the oclock client. Could someone please tell me how to do it in Xt? Thank you very much. ";-1;0 "From: ghilardi@urz.unibas.ch Subject: left side pains Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland Lines: 21 Hello to everybody, I write here because I am kind of desperate. For about six weeks, I've been suffering on pains in my left head side, the left leg and sometimes the left arm. I made many tests (e.g. computer tomography, negative, lyme borreliosis, negative, all electrolytes in the blood in their correct range), they're all o.K., so I should be healthy. As a matter of fact, I am not feeling so. I was also at a Neurologist's too, he considered me healthy too. The blood tests have shown that I have little too much of Hemoglobin (17.5, common range is 14 to 17, I unfortunately do not know about the units). Could these hemi-sided pains be the result of this or of a also possible block of the neck muscles ? I have no fever, and I am not feeling entirely sick, but neither entirely healthy. Please answer by direct email on Thanks for every hint Nico ";-1;0 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Facinating facts: 30 bit serial number, possibly fixed S1 and S2 Lines: 20 From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Quisling) writes: Each chip includes the following components: the Skipjack encryption algorithm F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips N, a 30-bit serial number U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip Hmmm. A thirty bit serial number. And, we are told, the unit key U is derived deterministically from this serial number. That means that there are only one billion possible unit keys. Oh hell, it's *much* worse than that. You think they'll ever make more than a million of them? Serial numbers aren't handed out at random you know, they start at 1 and work up... Call it a 20 bit space maybe. G ";-1;0 "From: johnr@cactus.org (John Hughes Rost) Subject: Voice Processing for IBM PCs Keywords: VOICE PROCESSING HARDWARE SOFTWARE Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Distribution: tx Lines: 29 SALE: VOICE PROCESSING SYSTEM for IBM compatibles Item: DIALOGIC/41B Multi-line Voice Processing System Description: The DIALOG/41B is a PC XT/AT board that provides processing functions and call progress analysis for four independent phone lines simultaneously. The D/41B features the ability to record, playback, autoanswer, auto-dial, detect and generate DTMF tones, and perform telephone mamagement functions. With this card you can make your computer talk on 4 phone lines simultaneously. You can design your own ANSWERING SYSTEM or by one already programmed. You can build your own DIGITAL PAGER business and open up a business for VOICE MAILBOXES. Comes complete with manuals and demo software and programming libraries for C (UNIX and DOS). PRICE: LIST $1395.00 YOU PAY $795.00 For more info send mail! Contact: John Rost (512) 343-0332 johnr@cactus.org ";8;1 "From: allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Lines: 34 jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production would have to be local. There are not all that many people who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would pay through the nose for it. Good point you make. However, a zip gun, by definition, is a crude, homemade gun--certainly not something capable of sustained, accurate fire, but it would be useful as a means of getting a normal gun. Recall the tiny, single-shot pistols made by the Allies during World War II for use by partisans. They were essentially well-made zipguns, incapable of effective fire beyond a few feet. But they were useful as a means of killing German soldiers for their guns. Also note that the crowd-pleasin' favorite, the Sten gun, was specifically designed to require as little machine work as possible. The point's been made here that one could make a Sten clone with steel tubing, hand tools and a welder. I still think that while the point is good, I think there's a difference between marijuana and firearms, in that quality marijuana can be grown locally; there's no need to import the stuff. If guns are banned, I think the demand for ""real"" guns will be sufficient to make smuggling economically feasible, thus rendering a ban moot. In any case, the result would be the same--people who aren't criminals won't have firearms, and ""bad guys"" will continue to have access to them, one way or another. And I don't see that as a necessary situation. -- Allan J. Heim allanh@sco.COM ...!uunet!sco!allanh +1 408 427 7813 ";-1;0 "From: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) Subject: Alias phone number wanted Organization: Diablo Creative Reply-To: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 9 What is the phone number for Alias? A toll-free number is preferred, if available. Thanks -- charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress? +1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress. ";-1;0 "From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Gun Control Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 94 In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: > >I would be surprised if there weren't contrary studies. I might add that >Sloan and Kellerman was endorsed by the police departments of both Seattle >and Vancouver and is considered by most of the references I have at hand the >most exhaustive study of its kind, even by those who take issue with some of >the essay's conclusions. S&K's statistics speak largely for themselves >without postulate. And, I might add, vitamin C has been endorsed by a Nobel Laureate as a panacea for almost everything from the common cold to cancer. > In order to compare violent crime trends, S&K compared >all< >violent crime categories, from simple assault through various mechanisms of >homicide. Wait a minute. S&K did NOT compare trends. If they did, they would have seen that the advent of Canada's gun law had no effect on homicides, total or handgun. Without a pre- vs. post comparison, one cannot speculate as to the utility of anything. All they have is a correlation, and correlation DOES NOT prove causality. >If your point is that non-whites commit more handgun crimes than whites >then yours is the dubious assumption. Conventional social theory is that >economic status, not color, is the primary motivating factor for crime, >especially violent crime. What's your point anyway, that white people >are more responsible gun owners? Should we assume that it's a coincidence >that there are comparitively fewer white people earning below the poverty >line and living in tenement neighborhoods where most violent crime occurs? Hold it again. You dismiss a point about demographics, then you ask about socio-economic demographics? Very slick. > >: Differences between the two cities in the >: permit regulations render these two numbers strictly noncomparable. > >On the contrary, it's these differences that are the very basis of the study: >the easy availability of legal handguns in Seattle and the much more >difficult ""restricted-weapons"" permit required in Vancouver. Once again, correlation does not prove causality. Looking at pre-vs. post data, the Canadian gun law had no effect. > >Not so. Cook measures suicides and assaultive homicides with >firearms against a survey-based estimate of the number of legal and >illegal guns in circulation within a city. Sir, if you were a Canadian, and owned a gun before the restrictive gun laws were passed, and decided to hide it rather than turn it in, would you answer truthfully a question about gun ownership from someone who calls, writes, or asks you on the street? That is one problem with surveys. Nobody will answer an incriminating question. Another is that people will often tell you what they THINK you want to here. > >Again, your author misses the core issue: that Vancouver citizens are >prohibited from purchasing handguns on the basis of self-defense. They >don't have a choice in the matter. Does that mean no Vancouver citizens have handguns? I think not. You are discounting guns purchased beforehand, and guns purchased for purposes other than self-defense, which can also be used for defense. > >Hmmm... sounds like your author might like a bumper sticker that reads ""Guns >don't kill people, black people kill people!"" Honestly, his conjectures, >backed up by zero evidence, zero studies and even less common sense, aren't >worth the considerable time it must have taken you to type in. His >assumptions look frighteningly close to those pseudo-scientific ""studies"" >that the white supremist assholes love... the crap that takes published >statistics, twisted around in an attempt to prove the inherent criminal >nature of black people. He makes valid points about demographic differences. You then resort to the kind of argument that the ""Politically Correct"" movement often uses to stifle any debate. Nice, real nice. >This author's essay contains 0% independent study upon which to base his >conclusions, just some strained, disjointed statistical discourse attempting >to blame Seattle's murder rate on blacks. One doesn't have to produce his own data in order to point out the flaws in the methodology and conclusions of another's study. Again, you resort to PC tactics. Al [standard disclaimer] ";3;1 "From: tedm@tsoft.net (Ted Matsumura) Subject: Re: Windows gripe... Organization: TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238 Lines: 37 In article <1ppmvf$qnh@bigboote.WPI.EDU> bigal@wpi.WPI.EDU (Nathan Charles Crowell) writes: > >Hi there, > > There's one thing about Windows that really frosts me. >I have 20MB of RAM installed in my system. I use a 5MB (2.5MB >under Windows) disk-cache, and a 4MB permanent swap file. > > While I can never fill the memory up, I still have problems >sometimes because I run out of GDI resources. What gives? >I think Windows could manage these resources a little better. > > Does anyone have any input on how to conserve these resources >so that I can avoid this problem? > >Nate >-------------------------- >Nathan C. Crowell, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering/ACRL > >Worcester Polytechnic Institute E-mail: bigal@wpi.wpi.edu > >""Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars"" Nathan, Win31 has a fixed limit of 64K GDI memory, regardless of physical RAM installed, this is twice that of Win30, but not nearly robust enough for many developers and power users. Using Amish Launch as your shell, you can reduce GDI memory usage by as much as 15% over Progman, NDW 2, DAshboard, and other graphical type icon based and other shells. Also, nesting, and full hot-key global support is offered, something no other shells have at this time. Ted Matsumura, President Amish Software, Inc. :wq ";-1;0 "From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood) Subject: Re: And Another THing: In-Reply-To: mangoe@cs.umd.edu's message of 3 Apr 93 00:46:07 GMT Organization: Software Engineering Institute Lines: 39 mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >Keith Ryan writes: >> >>You will ignore any criticism of your logic, or any possible incongruenties >>in your stance? You will not answer any questions on the validity of any >>opinion and/or facts you state? >When I have to start saying ""that's not what I said"", and the response is >""did so!"", there's no reason to continue. If someone is not going to argue >with MY version of MY position, then they cannot be argued with. But of course YOUR version of YOUR position has been included in the Charley Challenges, so your claim above is a flat-out lie. Further, only last week you claimed that you ""might not"" answer the Challenges because you were turned off by ""included text"". So which is it, do you want your context included in my articles or not? Come to think of it, this contradiction has the makings of a new entry in the next Challenges post. By the way, I've kept every bloody thing that you've written related to this thread, and will be only too pleased to re-post any of it to back my position. You seem to have forgotten that you leave an electronic paper trail on the net. >>This is the usual theist approach. No matter how many times a certain >>argument has been disproven, shown to be non-applicable or non-sequitur; >>they keep cropping up- time after time. >Speaking of non-sequiturs, this has little to do with what I just said. And >have some sauce for the goose: some of the ""disproof"" is fallacies repeated >over and over (such as the ""law of nature"" argument someone posted recently). Now, now, let's not change the subject. Wouldn't it be best to finish up the thread in question before you begin new ones? --Dave Wood ";-1;0 "From: cps@generali.harvard.edu (Chris Schaeffer) Subject: Re: Eugenics Summary: It will be difficult. Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA Distribution: world Lines: 28 In article <19617@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible. >[...should] we do this? Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived, >Arnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen? Even if we can. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and >geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Two thoughts. - I think that psychologically it will be easier for the next generation to accept genetic manipulation. It seems that people frown upon 'messing with Nature', ignoring our eons-old practice of doing just that. Any new human intervention is 'arrogance and hubris' and manipulation we routinely do is 'natural' and certainly 'not a big deal'. - Most interesting human traits will probably be massively polygenetic and be full of trade-offs. In addition, without a positive social environment for the cultivation of genetic gifts, having them won't be the advantage it's made out to be. Some people will certainly pursue it as if it is the Grail, but we know how most of those quests turn out. Chris Schaeffer ";-1;0 "From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) Subject: Christian's need for Christianity (was ...) Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 26 In article jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: >Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm? > >Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it. Why not? Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus and Vauxhall. Rover is only owned 20% by Honda. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | ""You can't wear out | | davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, | | '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.| | '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks | | '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, | | 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that | | My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief."" | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Lines: 17 Chris Herringshaw (tdawson@engin.umich.edu) wrote: : Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of : doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading : this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 : different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts : a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum : for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? : Just curious. : : : Daemon : Yes. I also like knowing where to go to ask a question without getting hell for putting it in the wrong newsgroup. Phil Martin. ";-1;0 "From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: President's Remarks on Trip to Baltimore 4.5.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 74 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ____________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 5, 1993 REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT EN ROUTE TO CAMDEN YARDS FOR ORIOLES OPENING DAY GAME MARC Train En Route to Camden Yards 11:45 A.M. EDT Q Mr. President, what do you think of Jesse Jackson's protest today? THE PRESIDENT: I think it's an informational protest. I think it's fine. The owners put out a statement few days ago, which they say was the first step in, you know, efforts to increase minority ownership and minority increases in management. I think we should. I'm encouraged by Don Baylor's appointment out in Colorado. And I think it's time to make a move on that front. So, I think it's a legitimate issue, and I think it's -- like I said, it's an informational picket and not an attempt to get people not to go to the game. So, I think it's good. Q Do you think they're moving fast enough? THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that it was a good first step. And I think you'll see some movement now. And I think it's an issue that deserves some attention, and they're obviously going to give it some. And I think that Reverend Jackson being out there will highlight the issue. So I think it's fine. Q Mr. President, how about the logjam in the Senate on the economic stimulus plan? Do you think they'll be able to break that and get cloture? THE PRESIDENT: I don't know, we're working at it. I mean, it's a classic -- there was an article in the paper today, one of the papers I saw, which pretty well summed it up. They said, you know, this is a -- it's just a political power play. In the Senate the majority does not rule. It's not like the country. It's not like the -- it's not like the House. If the minority chooses, they can stop majority rule. And that's what they're doing. There are a lot of Republican senators who have told people that they might vote for the stimulus program but there's enormous partisan political pressure not to do it. And, of course, what it means is that in this time when no new jobs are being created, even though there seems to be an economic recovery, it means that for political purposes they're willing to deny jobs to places like Baltimore and Dallas and Houston and Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and Portland and Seattle. It's very sad. I mean, the block grant program was designed to create jobs in a hurry based on local priorities, and it's one that the Republicans had always championed. Just about the only Democrat champions of the program were people like me who were out there at the grassroots level, governors and senators. I just think it's real sad that they have chosen to exert the minority muscle in a way that will keep Americans out of work. I think it's a mistake. THE PRESS: Thank you. END11:50 A.M. EDT ";18;1 "From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 45 In article , sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes... >(stephen) wrote: >> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) quotes ML... >> >> Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied >> >> only to God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We >> >> are living in the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable >> >> by death. There is repentance and there is salvation through our >> >> Lord Jesus Christ. And not just for a few chosen people. Salvation >> >> is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile alike. >> > >> >Jews won't agree with you, Malcolm. >> >> Which Jews KS? > >Most religious Jews with the exception of the Messianic ones and >atheists/agnostics, Malcolm. KS, I see you're wanting Malcolm's response. Allow me one last inter- jection then please: Distinguishing among the religious Jews, you've excepted the Messianic for obvious reasons. Specifically, are you saying it's these religious Jews, who trace their lineage back to Abraham by blood and orthodoxy, rather than by faith, who won't agree? Orthodox Jews? As to the a/a (if I understand your direction), the issue remains unproven I suspect, considering how atheists and agnostics so often look to reason. Atheist, it is reasonable to conclude will not agree. For agnostics, a poll seems in order. Who knows? Myself, I'm not so sure the atheists can be counted out. For the orthodox, I wonder how many would follow Moses, or Abraham, or David in accepting God's Word? Is the particular covenant to which one adheres, more important than God promisimg? I reckon for many it depends on the ongoing dialogue. Under these considerations, you might understand why I think it's premature to assert who will and won't agree. | -- J -- | | stephen ";-1;0 "From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) Subject: DC-X: Choice of a New Generation (was Re: SSRT Roll-Out Speech) Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu In-reply-to: jkatz@access.digex.com's message of 21 Apr 1993 22:09:32 -0400 In article <1r4uos$jid@access.digex.net> jkatz@access.digex.com (Jordan Katz) writes: > Speech Delivered by Col. Simon P. Worden, > The Deputy for Technology, SDIO > > Most of you, as am I, are ""children of the 1960's."" We grew >up in an age of miracles -- Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles, >nuclear energy, computers, flights to the moon. But these were >miracles of our parent's doing. > Speech by Pete Worden > Delivered Before the U.S. Space Foundation Conference > I'm embarrassed when my generation is compared with the last >generation -- the giants of the last great space era, the 1950's >and 1960's. They went to the moon - we built a telescope that >can't see straight. They soft-landed on Mars - the least we >could do is soft-land on Earth! Just out of curiousity, how old is Worden? -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Brian Yamauchi Case Western Reserve University yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu Department of Computer Engineering and Science _______________________________________________________________________________ ";-1;0 "From: morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark Morley) Subject: VGA Mode 13h Routines Available Nntp-Posting-Host: suncad.camosun.bc.ca Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 31 Hi there, I've made a VGA mode 13h graphics library available via FTP. I originally wrote the routines as a kind of exercise for myself, but perhaps someone here will find them useful. They are certainly useable as they are, but are missing some higher-level functionality. They're intended more as an intro to mode 13h programming, a starting point. *** The library assumes a 386 processor, but it is trivial to modify it *** for a 286. If enough people ask, I'll make the mods and re-post it as a *** different version. The routines are written in assembly (TASM) and are callable from C. They are fairly simple, but I've found them to be very fast (for my purposes, anyway). Routines are included to enter and exit mode 13h, define a ""virtual screen"", put and get pixels, put a pixmap (rectangular image with no transparent spots), put a sprite (image with see-thru areas), copy areas of the virtual screen into video memory, etc. I've also included a simple C routine to draw a line, as well as a C routine to load a 256 color GIF image into a buffer. I also wrote a quick'n'dirty(tm) demo program that bounces a bunch of sprites around behind three ""windows"". The whole package is available on spang.camosun.bc.ca in /pub/dos/vgl.zip It is zipped with pkzip 2.04g It is completely in the public domain, as far as I'm concerned. Do with it whatever you like. However, it'd be nice to get credit where it's due, and maybe an e-mail telling me you like it (if you don't like it don't bother) Mark morley@camosun.bc.ca ";-1;0 "From: blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) Subject: "" Only $17 / Month! "" X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA25085; Fri, 16 Apr 93 07:52:11 -0700 X-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA12308; Fri, 16 Apr 93 07:51:10 -0700 X-Received: by uiboise.idbsu.edu (16.6/16.2) id AA28928; Thu, 15 Apr 93 10:11:24 -0600 X-To: talk.politics.misc.usenet X-Cc: alt.politics.clinton.usenet X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Lines: 58 Ahhh, remember the days of Yesterday? When we were only going to pay $17 / month? When only 1.2% of the population would pay extra taxes? Remember when a few of us predicted that it wasn't true? :) Remember the Inaugural? Dancing and Singing! Liberation at last! Well, figure *this* out: 5% VAT, estimated to raise $60-100 Billion per year ( on CNN ) Work it out, chum... $60,000,000,000 / 125,000,000 taxpayers = $480 / year But, you exclaim, "" I'll get FREE HEALTH CARE! "" But, I exclaim, "" No, you won't! "" This is only for that poor 37 million who have none. Not for YOU, chum. :) That comes LATER. Add in the estimates of the energy tax costs - $300-500 / year Plus, all that extra ""corporate and rich"" taxes that will trickle down, and what do you have? $1,000 / year, just like I said two months ago. And, the best part? You don't GET ANYTHING for it. Deficit is STILL projected to rise at same rate it's been rising at, by CLINTON'S OWN ESTIMATES. And this assumes that his plan WILL WORK! I mean, come on, it doesn't take a ROCKET SCIENTIST to see that in another 2 or 3 years, we're GETTING ANOTHER WHOPPING TAX INCREASE, because the deficit will STILL be GROWING FASTER THAN the ECONOMY. All Clinton is doing, is moving us to a HIGHER diving board. Face it. Clinton is Bush X 2. In four more years, our country will be completely bankrupt, and your children's future, so oft mentioned by Pal Bill, will be gone. And those of you still deluding yourselves will be faced with the guilt. Well, , gotta go. I want to be out of here by noon. Got an appointment at the lake. No tax there, yet. :) ";18;1 "From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Distribution: usa Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr12.183349.23115@kadsma.kodak.com>, pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes: [...] > What I see is that the media is reasonably fair, but is seen as > 'liberal' by conservatives, and 'conservative' by liberals. Not that I think anyone cares, but this pattern (using other examples of course) was discussed 2,000 years ago by Aristotle in _Nicomachean_Ethics_. Note that you can't use this insight to reason backwards; e.g.: Since the conservatives see the media as liberal and the liberals see the media as conservative, the media are fair! (though I've seen this ""reasoning"" implied) > Don Pajerek > > Standard disclaimers apply. Ken -- miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Nobody can explain everything to everybody. opinions are my own | G. K. Chesterton ";-1;0 "From: gtoye@pssparc2.mitek.com (Gene Toye) Subject: Re: workaround for Citizen drivers Keywords: printer driver Citizen PN48 GSX-140 Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX Lines: 8 For Windows 3.1, I have had the best luck using the Epson LQ-2550 drivers with my Citizen GXS-140+. Be sure to download the updated version from Microsoft that allows margin settings. -- Gene Toye, Senior Software Engineer gtoye@pssparc2.oc.com OpenConnect Systems, 2711 LBJ Freeway, Dallas, TX 75234 214/888-0454 DISCLAIMER: My employer had no idea I was going to say that. ";-1;0 "From: pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr14.175856.26051@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: >[...] On a >waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on >a motorcycle, I don't think this is the case, at least not on all jetskis. On my friend's jetski, bars turn left to go left. Anyway, all you're doing there is changing the yaw of the jets, so the relationship between the handlbars and the rear-mounted jets is completely arbitrary (simple linkage could make it work either way). >so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the >centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for >gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*. It seems to me that jetskis are even more irrelevant to this discussion than snow skis. But it *has* been an amusing digression. Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins left to go left? :-) Or am I confusing two threads here? Phil Stone NEW ADDRESS----------> pstone@well.sf.ca.us '83 R80ST ""Motorcycles OK"" ";-1;0 "From: Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley) Subject: Doing the work of God??!!) Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 33 As our local.religion.christian BBS group seems moribund, I'm posting here. On one of the Sundays just before Easter I went to church. The sermon was based on a story in the Book of Joshua. (The one about Joshua sending out spies to the land he was planning to take) What I particularly remember, because of having heard part of a CBC radio documentary on Bosnia, was that the Rahab (the woman who sheltered the spies) said that the people were ""melting in fear."" What with having heard that CBC radio documentary and knowing that the Muslims in Bosnia were losing the war, I felt uncomfortable. After all, the Serbs are driving non-Christians out. On the other hand, ministers do say that the Bible is opposed to the values held by our secular society. Anyhow members of that church are involved in out-of-country missionary work. Also, the pastor has talked of spiritual warfare and of bringing Christ to the nonreligious people of our area. The next Sunday, the sermon was about Joshua 6 (where the Israelites take Jericho and then proceed to massacre everybody there --- except for Rahab, who had sheltered the spies). With those reports about Bosnia in my mind, I felt uncomfortable about the minister saying that the massacre (the one in Joshua) was right. But what really bothered me was that, if I was going to try taking Christianity seriously, I shouldn't be so troubled about the reports of ""ethnic cleansing"" in Bosnia. Certainly, my sympathies shouldn't be with the Moslims. Considering that the Bosnian Muslims are descendants of Christians who, under Turkish rule, converted to Islam could the Serbs be doing God's work? [The example of God's people setting out on bloody wars of conquest has always been troubling in discussions here. I personally question whether they were right even at the time. But those who believe they were consider that the wars were justified only because they were specifically commanded by God. Somehow I don't see the Serbs behaving like a group that is led by God in this matter. --clh] ";17;1 "From: jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Virginia's Gentleman) Subject: Re: From Israeli press. Madness. Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 8 This post has all the earmarks of a form program, where the user types in a nationality or ethnicity and it fills it in in certain places in the story. If this is true, I condemn it. If it's a fabrication, then the posters have horrible morals and should be despised by everyone on tpm who values truth. Jesse ";-1;0 "From: venky@engr.LaTech.edu (Venky M. Venkatachalam) Subject: FAQ in comp.windows.x Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ee11.engr.latech.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Is there any FAQ list for Programming in X windows? Thankx for the info bye venky ";12;1 "From: teama@bucknell.edu (meyers@bucknell.edu) Subject: Doug Sturm Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA Lines: 3 Is anyone familiar with Doug Sturm? If so, please post what you think. ";-1;0 "From: neuralog@NeoSoft.com (Neuralog) Subject: Authorization in OW 3.0 Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900 Lines: 29 Hello, This is my first net letter, so forgive mistakes! I have been plagued by problems (or lack of info) with authorization in Open Windows 3.0 for a long while and would like some help please! I generally use strait MIT X, and so don't use OW much, but when I share X software with others - bad news. PROBLEM: My friend who logs into his SSII trys to run my program that runs fine on my machine, however, my friend gets ""client not authorized to connect to server"" (or something close). If OW is started with the -noauth option all is well, but surely this is not required in general! Also, xhost + does not work, becoming root does not work, etc... Any help will be greatly appreciated! Thanx send replies to neuralog@neosoft.com or this news group ";12;1 "From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Originator: rja@mahogany126 Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126 Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins! In article <15378@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > > From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: > > Male sex survey: Gay activity low > > A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough > examination of American men's sexual practices published since > the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 > percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and > 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. Actually, what the study shows is that 2 percent of the men surveyed *said* they engaged in homosexual sex and 1 percent *said* they considered themselves exclusively homosexual. The point being that what people say and what they acutally do may be different. It is interesting that this clip from the newspaper did not mention that difference. Maybe it is conservative media bias. :-) > The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday > by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than > the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional > wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. -- Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect ------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993 EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!) ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: No Muslim left alive - not a single one: Historical Armenian Barbarism. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 326 In article <1993Apr10.025031.24352@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> halsall@MURRAY.FORDHAM.EDU (Paul Halsall) writes: > Simple question Serdar? Anytime. > If the Armenians killed so many Turks in Eastern Anatolia, >how come the area today is full of Turks [and Muslim Kurds] and >not full of Armenians? Suffering from a severe case of myopia? No Muslim left alive - not a single one. Leading the first Armenian units who crossed the Ottoman border in the company of the Russian invaders was the former Ottoman Parliamentary representative for Erzurum, Karekin Pastirmaciyan, who assumed the revolutionary name Armen Garo. Another former Ottoman parliamentarian, Hamparsum Boyaciyan, led the Armenian guerrilla forces who ravaged Turkish villages behind the lines under the nickname ""Murad"", especially ordering that 'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them and in whatever circumstances you find them. Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)[1] [1] M. Varandian, ""History of the Dashnaktsutiun,"" p. 85. Another former Member of Parliament, Papazyan, led the Armenian guerrilla forces that ravaged the areas of Van, Bitlis and Mush. In March 1915, the Russian forces began to move toward Van. Immediately, in April 11, 1915 the Armenians of Van began a revolt, massacring all the Turks in the vicinity so as to make possible its quick and easy conquest by Russians. Little wonder that Czar Nicholas II sent a telegram of thanks to the Armenian Revolutionary Committee of Van in April 21, 1915, ""thanking it for its services to Russia."" The Armenian newspaper Gochnak, published in the United States, also proudly reported in May 24, 1915 that ""only 1,500 Turks remained in Van the rest having been slaughtered."" Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. ""The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem. Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897, however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000 inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."" (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of Transcaucasia). In 1920, '0' percent Turk. ""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the scattered bones of the dead."" Ohanus Appressian ""Men Are Like That"" p. 202. Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."" (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. ""In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the southern side of the lake."" ""Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions, Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims. Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common soldiers began deserting in droves."" ""With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks, Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."" Source: Stanford J. Shaw, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey,"" Vol II. Cambridge University Press, London, 1979, pp. 314-317. ""...Meanwhile, Czar Nicholas II himself came to the Caucasus to make final plans for cooperation with the Armenians against the Ottomans, with the president of the Armenian National Bureau in Tiflis declaring in response: 'From all countries Armenians are hurrying to enter the ranks of the glorious Russian Army, with their blood to serve the victory of Russian arms...Let the Russian flag wave freely over the Dardanelles and the Bosporus. Let, with Your will, great Majesty, the peoples remaining under the Turkish yoke receive freedom. Let the Armenian people of Turkey who have suffered for the faith of Christ receive resurrection for a new free life under the protection of Russia.'[155] Armenians again flooded into the czarist armies. Preparations were made to strike the Ottomans from the rear, and the czar returned to St. Petersburg confident that the day finally had come for him to reach Istanbul."" [155] Horizon, Tiflis, November 30, 1914, quoted by Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" p. 45; FO 2485, 2484/46942, 22083. ""Ottoman morale and military position in the east were seriously hurt, and the way was prepared for a new Russian push into eastern Anatolia, to be accompanied by an open Armenian revolt against the sultan.[156]"" [156] Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" pp. 45-47; Bayur, III/1, pp. 349-380; W.E.D. Allen and P. Muratoff, ""Caucasian Battlefields,"" Cambridge, 1953, pp. 251-277; Ali Ihsan Sabis, ""Harb Hahralaram,"" 2 vols., Ankara, 1951, II, 41-160; FO 2146 no. 70404; FO 2485; FO 2484, nos. 46942 and 22083. ""An Armenian state was organized at Van under Russian protection, and it appeared that with the Muslim natives dead or driven away, it might be able to maintain itself at one of the oldest centers of ancient Armenian civilization. An Armenian legion was organized 'to expel the Turks from the entire southern shore of the lake in preparation for a concerted Russian drive into the Bitlis vilayet.'[162] Thousands of Armenians from Mus and other major centers in the east began to flood into the new Armenian state...By mid-July there were as many as 250,000 Armenians crowded into the Van area, which before the crisis had housed and fed no more than 50,000 people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.[163]"" [162] Hovannisian, ""Road to Independence,"" p. 56; FOP 2488, nos. 127223 and 58350. [163] BVA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, debates of August 15-17, 1915; Babi-i Ali Evrak Odasi, no. 175, 321, ""Van Ihtilali ve Katl-i Ami,"" Zilkade 1333/10 September 1915. Now wait, there is more. From ""The Diplomacy of Imperialism,"" William L. Langer, New York (Alfred A. Knopf), 1960, pp. 157-160. ""Armenians watch their opportunity to kill Turks and Kurds, set fire to their villages, and then make their escape into the mountains."" > Also, since the Ottomans were such great tolerators, how come >the Armenians were counted as part of the RUM millet, i.e. forced >under the control of the GREEK Orthodox patriarchate? Are you people for real? The main legal principles of the Turkish State are summarized in Article 2 of the Constitution: ""The Republic of Turkey is a democratic, secular and social State governed by the rule of law; bearing in mind the concepts of public peace, national solidarity and justice; respecting human rights; loyal to the nationalism of Ataturk, and based on the fundamental tenets set forth in the Preamble of the Constitution."" Freedom of culture and religion prevailed during the Ottoman Empire, allowing the many nations and races within its boundaries to remain autonomous. The fact that the Ottoman Empire was the longest lived in recent history may be attributed to these freedoms, despite the lack of any written Constitution. The first attempts to create a written Constitution occurred in 1839 and 1856. Although the documents adopted during these two attempts remained in force only temporarily, they provided the basic elements of a Constitution. The 1876 Constitution was the first legal document to force a Parliament and the right of election to share the sovereignty of the Emperor. The Constitution of 1906 placed some additional limitations on the Emperor, while increasing the power of the Parliament and the government. The First World War (1914-1918) brought the Ottoman Empire to an end. By the occupation of Istanbul, the Parliament was dissolved and the Constitution was abolished. The members of Parliament were sent to exile to an island by the occupying forces. During the Independence War, the ""Turkish Grand National Assembly"" held their first meeting on April 23, 1920 to serve as the legislative body of the new Turkish state. This assembly prepared the new legal structure of the Turkish Republic. The new Republic was proclaimed on October 29, 1923 and the new Constitution was adopted in 1924. That Constitution served as the legal backbone of today's modern Turkish Republic. In 1945, Turkey adopted a multi-party political system. The Constitution of 1924 was replaced by others in 1961 and 1982. All three Constitutions of the Republic have been based on the principles of parliamentary democracy, human rights, national sovereignty, division of powers, private ownership and secularization. ""Major Principles of the Constitution"" The constitution (with 177 Articles) establishes the structure of the Republic within the following principles: - The Turkish Republic is a democratic, secular and social state governed by law; - It should be governed to maintain public peace, national solidarity, justice, human rights and the objectives of Ataturk; - The language of the State is Turkish; - Sovereignty is vested in the nation without any conditions or restrictions. Sovereignty is exercised by organizations authorized by the nation; - Legislative power is carried by the Parliament elected by the nation. This power cannot be delegated (transferred) to any one else; - Executive power is exercised by the President, and Council of Ministers; - Judicial power is exercised by the independent courts on behalf of the Turkish nation; - All individuals are equal, irrespective of language, race, religion, color, sex, or political beliefs; - Laws cannot be contradict those principles stated in the Constitution. ""Structure of the State"" In accordance with the Constitution, the structure of the state is based on the principle of ""division of power"" to create a balanced and self-controlled system. The power is divided into ""legislative power,"" ""executive power,"" and ""judicial power,"" balanced to secure freedoms and powers to control each other (self-control). A. Legislative Power: The ""Turkish Grand National Assembly"" is a parliament with one House, elected by the nation for a term of five years to exercise legislative power on behalf of the nation. The basic functions of this Assembly are: - to adopt, to amend, or to repeal laws; - to approve or to dismiss the Council of Ministers; - to supervise and to question Ministers or the Council of Ministers; - to debate, to amend and to approve annual budgets; - to ratify international agreements; - to grant amnesty or pardons. Members of Parliament do not have any liability for their words (either oral or written) during the course of their legislative duties. The country is divided into constituencies. The number of representatives of each is calculated according to its population. Every Turkish citizen over the age of twenty-one can vote. Elections are supervised by the ""Supreme Council of Elections,"" which solves all disputes or appeals. In each province, the local ""Board of Election"" runs and controls the election under the supervision and guidelines of the Supreme Council. Members of the Council and Boards are elected among independent judges. B. Executive Power: The President of the Republic is the Head of State (not the head of government as in the Unites States). The main functions of the President are: - to represent the State and the Country; - to insure the implementation of the Constitution; - to coordinate legislative, judicial and executive functions; - act as the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces; - to ratify laws and government decrees. The President is elected by the Grand National Assembly for a period of seven years. The President may ratify or return the laws for a second debate, may call for a referendum. Executive power is exercised by the ""Council of Ministers,"" headed by the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister is appointed by the President from the members of Parliament. The Prime Minister names the Ministers for approval by the President. The new Government (Council of Ministers) reads their program at the Parliament and the vote of confidence follows. There are 21 (?) Ministers in the Council. Ministers and other members of the administration can be sued in independent ""administrative"" courts for their misuse of power, administrative errors or functions against any law. C. Judicial Power: Judicial power is exercised by independent courts. No authority or power can instruct the judges or public prosecutors of the courts. These cannot be discharged, replaced or retired by executive authorities except for the reasons clearly stated by the appropriate laws. There are three categories of courts in the Turkish judiciary system: - Courts of justice deal with legal, commercial and criminal cases. The decisions of these courts may be reviewed by the supreme court of justice upon the appeal of the parties involved. - The decisions or functions of the executive power (including the Prime Minister and Ministers or any governmental department) can be appealed in administrative courts if these functions or decisions are against the law. The decisions of these administrative courts may also be reviewed by the high administrative court. The laws and decisions of the Grand National Assembly can be examined by the ""Constitutional Court"" if they contradict the Constitution. If found contradictory, this court may cancel the decisions or laws of the Parliament. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) Subject: Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ] Article-I.D.: news.C52M5t.n55 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 30 bets@chester.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes: >>This has me thinking. Is there a biological reason why women can't put >>their keys in their pants pockets like men do? I have two pockets on the >>back of each of my pants. I put my keys in one and wallent in another. >>Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely. >>Everything is that much simpler for me. Why can't women do the same? >>Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and >>a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents? >I've found that it has to do with the way women's clothes are made. >If you put keys in the front pocket of women's jeans or slacks, you >get a bulge that also tends to make it impossible to sit down because >they stick you constantly. ditto in the back pocket. >Also, try *looking* at the back pockets of women's jeans and compare >them to the back pockets on men's jeans. They are usually (if you buy >jeans that you expect to last for any length of time) about half the >size. There flat out isn't *room* for a wallet or a bunch of keys. >Besides which, where would men put all their crap if their wives >didn't carry purses? :-) The same place single men do, wallet in back pocket, comb in other back pocket, keys in front pocket, knive in other from pocket, pen in shirt pocket, or front pants pocket. Or do married men start carrying around a bunch of stuff to keep there women happy? >Beth Mark B. ";10;1 "From: gumby@tweedledumb.cygnus.com (D V Henkel-Wallace) Subject: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: Cygnus Support, Cambridge, MA USA Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: tweedledumb.cygnus.com In-reply-to: jhart@agora.rain.com's message of 19 Apr 93 19:57:21 GMT Date: 19 Apr 93 19:57:21 GMT From: jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) ""Simply?"" ""Everyone"" should have this attitude? The only people who can have this attitude are the most hard-core computer hackers, who never make phone calls away from their computer In 10 yeards everybody will be talkig into his or her PDA anyway. That should solve most of the problem. ";-1;0 "From: rwrona@cbnewse.cb.att.com (robert.wrona) Subject: TOWNHOME for sale in WHEATON Organization: AT&T Keywords: townhome, wheaton, sale... Lines: 47 TOWNHOME FOR SALE IN WHEATON Briarcliffe Lakes of Wheaton Just North Of Butterfield Road Call (708) 682-8222 and ask for Harriet Bode (Prudential Realty) Description: A very neat, well cared for, low maintenance starter coach home in very fine condition located on a cul-de-sac . Just move in. Rooms:(5+1) - Eat in kitchen (10.3 X 9.2) - Large master bedroom (12.6 X 12.6) - Spare Bedroom (12.6 X 10) - Dining Room (10.9 X 9) - Living Room (21 X 11.10) - Utility Room (10 X 5.5) - 1.25 Baths Appliances: - Stove(gas), refrigerator and dish washer - Garage opener - Washer and Dryer - Garbage Disposal - Gas water heater (3 Years Old) - Central A/C with DIGITAL Thermostat. Highlights: - Electric Fire Place in living room. - Sliding glass doors which open up to a patio with a secluded back yard area. - Plenty of storage space with patio storage closet and storage closet in garage. - New ceiling fan in Dining Room, - Completely remodeled bathroom (new wallpaper, shower door, shower tile, etc...) - Mini blinds for all windows - Newer carpets (beige) (About 3 Years old) - One car garage and plenty of guest parking Association Fees: $105.90 which includes the following: - Lawn Maintenance - Snow Removal - All Exterior building maintenance Taxes 1992: $1,700 ASKING PRICE OF HOME: $91,900 ";-1;0 "From: reimert@anthrax.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) Subject: Re: win/NT file systems Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr26.103230.10618@spider.co.uk> keiths@spider.co.uk (Keith Smith) writes: >OK will some one out there tell me why / how DOS 5 >can read (I havn't tried writing in case it breaks something) >the Win/NT NTFS file system. >I thought NTFS was supposed to be better than the FAT system > >keith DOS 5.0/6.0 cannot read the NTFS file system, although the NTFS file system can read the FAT file system of DOS. I have WindowsNT on a seperate partition on my machine at home, and I can read my DOS disks from Windows NT, but not vice-versa. As far as the robustness of the file system, it seems to be very fast, and I have yet to have a single problem with it. That doesn't prove it's better than the FAT system though. Read the book 'Inside Windows NT,' it will give you all the info you're looking for. Scott -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Reimert \ reimert@mamacass.etdesg.trw.com /Standard disclaimer: Redondo Beach, CA \______________________________________/""Blah blah blah ... "" __________________|Always store beer in a cool dark place|_____________________ ";-1;0 "From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas) Subject: NEED HELP ON SCARING PLEASE Organization: University of Westminster Distribution: sci.med Lines: 18 Hi... I need information on scaring. Particularly as a result of grazing the skin I really wanted to know of 1. would a scar occur as a result of grazing 2. if yes, then would it disappear? 3. how long does a graze take to heal? 4. will hair grow on it once it has healed? 5. what is 'scar tissue'? 6. should antiseptic cream be applied to it regularly? 7. is it better to keep it exposed and let fresh air at it? Please help - any info - no matter how small will be appreciated greatly. BUT PLEASE E-MAIL ME DIRECTLY because I dont read this newsgroup often (this is my first time). ....Shaz.... ";-1;0 "From: chris@MorningStar.Com (Chris Miller) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Nntp-Posting-Host: beluga.morningstar.com Organization: /usr/local/etc/organization Lines: 79 In article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr14.120958.11363@synapse.bms.com>, hambidge@bms.com writes: >> >> The Second Amendment is about sovereignty, not sporting goods. > > Perfectly correct, but it won't make any difference. I agree. Sad, but true. > >> Self defense is a valid reason for RKBA. > > The vast majority get through life without ever having to > own, use or display a firearm. Besides, there are other > means of self-protection which can be just as effective > as firearms. Please name one. > >> Freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion, necessity, or >> scientific scrutiny. > > New to this planet ? EVERYTHING is dependent on either public > or political opinion, usually political. To imagine that > inalienable 'rights' are somehow wired into the vast cold > cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion. > .... Upon which our Bill of Rights is based. Some delusion. >> No arguments against RKBA can withstand scientific scrutiny. > > They don't have to. Like so many other things, the issue > is one of -perception- rather than boring statistics. > Every time some young innocent is gunned-down in a drive > by, every time some kid is murdered for a jacket, every > time a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change, > every time some moron kills his wife because she took the > last beer from the fridge, every time someone hears a 'bang' > in the night .... the RKBA dies. The stats are not all *that* > clearly behind firearms - the protection factor does not > strongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor. Given society > as we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of > as many guns as possible. That may be an error, but enough > active voters believe in that course. > If this were not true in practice, then certain unethical politicians would not be passing gun control laws. Politicians are generally whores to public opinion. This does NOT mean the the public is either well informed or correct. As for the stats, anyone can support anything with the right stats. The ""right"" stats, from what I've seen, are sometimes even used to support conflicting sides of the same issue. >> How do you intend to 'silence' RKBA supporters? > > Talk all you want. Talk about the ""good old days"" when > you used to own firearms. After a while, such talk will > take on the character of war stories ... and no one will > be very interested anymore. > Used to own firearms? While armed insurrection, as the FF's of the Const. may have envisioned seems to me a somewhat fanatical approach to avoiding this, Political protest is still an option at this point. I agree that it's argueably not enough and/or too late. If all else fails, there's always PVC pipe and cosmoline. -- Chris Miller chris@MorningStar.Com My opinions are my own (obviously), and by definition do not reflect the opinions of anyone else... ";-1;0 "From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Rights Violations in Azerbaijan #007 Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 821 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Rights Violations in Azerbaijan #007 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | They grab Papa, carry him into one room, and Mamma and me into another. | | They put Mamma on the bed and start undressing her, beating her legs. | | They start tearing my clothes, right there, in front of Mamma. I don't | | remember where they went, what they did, or how much time passed. I had | | the feeling that they beat me on the head, on my body, and tore my | | clothes, all at the same time, I don't even know what I said. The | | atrocities started. I was savagely raped in that room. They argued among | | themselves who would go first. | | | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ DEPOSITION OF KARINE (KARINA) GRIGOREVNA M. [1] Born 1964 Secretary-Typist Azsantekmontazh Trust Sumgait Construction and Installation Administration Secretary of the SMU Komsomol Organization Resident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 15 Microdistrict No. 3 Sumgait [Azerbaijan] On the 27th my sister Marina and I went to the movies the seven o'clock show, at the theater that is across from the City Party Committee, about 50 yards away. The SK theater. They were showing an Argentinian film, ""The Abyss."" Before the film we noticed about 60 to 70 people standing near the podium at the City Party Committee, but they were silent, there's no conversation whatsoever, and we couldn't figure out what was going on. That is, we knew it was about Karabagh, but what it was exactly, what they were talking about, if someone gave a speech or not, we didn't know. We bought our tickets. There were 30 or 40 people in the theater. This was a very small number for that large movie theater. The film started. About 30 minutes later they stopped the film. A crowd burst in. About 60 people. They came up onto the stage. Well mostly they were young people, from 16 to 23 years old. They demanded that an Armenian woman come up onto the stage. They used foul language and said that they were going to show what Azerbaijanis were capable of, what they could do to Armenian girls. I thought that's what they meant because they had demanded a girl specifically. Marina and I were sitting together. I told her to move over, there were some Russian girls sitting nearby. So that if someone recognized me or if something happened, they would take me, and not Marina. It got quiet, 2 or 3 girls jumped up to run out, but the door was closed--it's only opened at the end of the show--and they returned to their seats. Everyone in the theater was looking at one another, Russians, Azerbaijanis, people of various nationalities. But no one reacted at all, no one in the auditorium made a sound. They were silent, looking at one another, and gradually started to leave. Some guy, a really fat one, says, ""OK, we've scared them enough, let's leave."" They leave slowly, pompously. It seemed to me that those people were not themselves. Either they had smoked a bunch of ""anasha"", or had taken something else, because they all looked beastly, like they were ready to tear anyone apart. Then it was all over, as though nothing had happened at all. The film started up again, it was one of those cheerful films which should have only brought pleasure, made you happy to be alive. We could barely sit to the end. So it had started at seven it was over by nine, and it was dark . . . Marina and I were walking home, Lenin Street, that's the center of town. Lenin Street was packed, just packed with young people. They were shouting, something about Karabagh and something about Armenians. We weren't especially listening, because the way we were feeling we didn't know if we were going to make it home or not, and just what had happened anyway? Public transportation wasn't running. Incidentally, when we came out of the theater we saw police, policemen standing there. The director of the movie theater was looking at the doors, because when they were leaving they had broken the glass, the doors there are basically all glass. Everything was broken. He stood there grief- stricken, but looking as though nothing really big had happened, like some naughty boys had just broken them quite by accident, with a slingshot. Well, since he looked more or less calm I decided that, nothing all that super serious had happened. We went out very slowly; we wanted to catch a bus, we live literally one stop away. We didn't want to go on foot, not because it was dark, but because something might happen. We flagged down a cab, but the driver didn't want to take us. We told him we live near the bus station, and he said he'd take us to the bus station and not a yard farther. I said, well, OK . . . So we got into the cab and managed to get there. Something incredible was happening at the bus station. There was a traffic jam. Public transportation was at a standstill and everyone was shouting ""Ka-ra-bagh,"" they're not going to give up Karabagh. I go home and tell my family what's going on, and there's immediate panic in the house. Mamma says, what should we do? Like the end had come, they were going to come, kill us, that's it . . . Somehow we managed to cheer ourselves up: Nothing that bad could happen. Where are we living anyway, just what kind of social order do we have? Somehow we manage to calm Mamma down. And we went to bed. But no one could sleep. Everyone made as though nothing had happened. That was on Saturday. In short, the day went by. We didn't go anywhere and didn't call our relatives. No one did anything. Because . . . life goes on. That day I realized something was approaching, but what exactly, I couldn't guess. On the 28th everything was like it was supposed to be, we lived like we always had. There were five of us at home: Mamma, Papa and us, three sisters: Lyuda, Marina, and I. My sister Lyuda was in Yerevan at the time. We sat at home and no one went out. Later we learned that a demonstration had started that morning. It all started . . . They were smashing up stores. We were sitting at home and didn't know anything about it. Then a girlfriend of mine, Lyuda Zimogliad, came by at around three o'clock I think. We worked together, we did our apprenticeships together, she's a Russian girl. She said that something awful was happening in town. I asked, ""Don't they want Armenians? Well what are they after, if they're already in that state?"" She says, no, nothing like that, it's just a demonstration, but it's awful to watch it. Somehow, it feels like a war has broken out. Public transportation has been stopped . . . The cabs, the buses, well it's just a nightmare. Then Papa decides to go to the drugstore, my mother was having allergy problems at the time . . . He left the house and our neighbor, Aunt Vera, asked him, ""Where are you going? Stop! There are such terrible things going on in the courtyard; aren't you afraid to go out?"" Papa didn't know what she was talking about. She simply pushed him back into the entryway. He came home and told Mamma. Mamma said, ""Well, if Aunt Vera was talking like that it means that something is really going on."" But we didn't go see her, she's a Russian, she lives across from us. I had to see my friend out. Around five o'clock I tell Lyuda, ""Ok, look, it's time for you to go, it's late already, I'll see you out."" Mamma says, ""You don't need to go, it's too late already, you can see what the situation in town is."" So we decided to stay home. Dinner was ready. Mamma says, ""Let her eat with us, then she can go."" We sat down at the table. But no one was hungry, no one was in the mood, we just put everything out on the table to calm ourselves down, and make it appear that we're eating. We turned on the television, and the show ""In Fairy-Tale Land"" was coming on. We cleared the table. We hear some noise out in the courtyard. I go out on the balcony, but I can't see what's going on, because the noise is coming from the direction of the bus station, and there is a 9-story building in the way. There is mob of people . . . I can't figure out what's happening. They're shouting something, looking somewhere, I can't make out what is going on. I go down to a neighbor, she's an Azerbaijani; we've been friends of her family for about 25 years. I go down to look from their place. I see people shouting, looking at the 5-and 9-story buildings near the bus station. Just then soldiers set upon them, about 20 people, with clubs. The mob runs off in different directions. I even see several people from our building. They are looking and laughing . . . I decide that means it's not all that bad if they are laughing: it means they're not killing anyone. But now the crowd suddenly dashes toward the soldiers. One of the soldiers cannot manage to get away, they start stomping on him with their feet, everyone's kicking him . . . I become ill and go home, and explain in general terms that horrible things are going on out there . . . can't speak . . . Well, they've probably killed that soldier, the way that crowd is . . . If each of them kicked him just once . . . They took his club away from him and started to beat him with it. But it was far away and I couldn't see if he got up and left or not. I become terrified and go home and say, ""Lyuda, don't go anywhere, stay at our place, because if you go out they could kill you or . . . "" Then the crowd runs over closer toward our building and stands at the 12-story building and starts shouting something. We go out onto the balcony. All of our neighbors are also out on theirs, too. Everyone is standing, staring. The mob is shouting and about 5 minutes later comes running toward our building. As it turns out, at the 12-story building the Azerbaijani neighbors went down and kept them from coming in. There's only one entryway there, they could stop them. They all run up to our building. Mamma immediately starts closing the windows, afraid that they might throw stones. They have stones and they break the windows, all of them. There are very many people. We have a large courtyard, and it's packed with people. They spill up to the first floor so they don't crush each other. They crawl up on trees, posts, and garages. It's just a huge cloud of people. They break and burn the motorcycle of the Armenian Sergey Sargisian, from our building. We close the windows and immediately hear tramping in our entryway. They come up to our fifth floor with a tremendous din and roar. It's incomprehensible. Mamma told me later that they were shouting Father's name, ""Grisha, open the door, we've come to kill you!,"" or something like that. I don't remember that, I was spaced out, kind of. Mamma says, ""Into the bedroom, quickly!"" In the bedroom we have two tall beds, part of our dowry; Mamma says, ""Hide there, they probably won't come in there, they'll ask something, say something, and leave."" She says, ""We'll tell them that we live alone here."" I can't imagine that my parents will stand out in the hall alone talking with some sort of beasts . . . I go to them and say that I'll stand together with them, I'll talk with them if they come, maybe I can find a common language with them, all the more so if they know me: I speak Azerbaijani more or less, and I can find out what they want. I told Marina and Lyuda to hide under the bed, and my sister Lyuda, I can't remember if I told her anything or not. Then . . . they open the door: it's like they blew on it and it broke and fell right into the hall. The crows bursts in and starts to shout: Get out of here, leave, vacate the apartment and go back to your Armenia; things like that. I tell them, ""What has happened, speak calmly. One of you, tell me, calmly, what has happened."" In Azerbaijani, they say, ""Get out of the apartment, leave."" I say, ""OK. Go downstairs. We'll gather everything we need and leave the apartment."" I realize that it is senseless to discuss any sort of rights with them, these are animals. They must be stopped. The ones standing in the doorway, the young guys, say, ""There are old people and one girl with them. Too bad!"" They take two or three steps back. It seems as though I have pacified them with our exchange. Then someone in the courtyard shouts, commanding them: ""Don't you understand what you are saying? Kill them?"" And that was it! That was all it took. They grab Papa, carry him into one room, and Mamma and me into another. They put Mamma on the bed and start undressing her, beating her legs. They start tearing my clothes, right there, in front of Mamma. I don't remember where they went, what they did, or how much time passed. I had the feeling that they beat me on the head, on my body, and tore my clothes, all at the same time, I don't even know what I said. The atrocities started. I was savagely raped in that room. They argued among themselves who would go first. Later, I remember, I came to. I don't know if I'm dead or alive. Someone comes in, someone tall, I think, clean-shaven, in an Eskimo dogskin coat, balding. He looks around at what's happening. At that instant everything stops. It seems to me that he is either their commander or . . . that somehow everything depends on him. He looks and says, ""Well, we're done here."" They are beating Mamma on the head. They break up the chairs and beat her with the chair legs . . . She loses consciousness, and they decide that she's dead. Papa . . . was out cold. They want to throw Lyuda off the balcony, but they can't get the window open. Apparently the window frames are stuck after the rain and the windows can't be opened. They leave her next to the window. She was thinking about being thrown out the window and passed out. She's not a real strong person anyway . . . He looks at me and sees that I'm saying something, that I'm still twitching. Well, I start saying the opposite of what I should be, which is humbling myself and pleading. I start shouting, cursing . . . they don't get any entreaty out of me. I already know that I'm dead, why would I humble myself before anyone? And he says that if that's what I think, since my tongue is so long . . . maybe he thinks that I still look quite appealing . . . In short, he commands that I be taken outside. I no longer saw or remembered what was happening to Marina and Lyuda, I don't know if they are alive or not. They take me outside. They are dragging me by my arms, by my legs. They are hitting me against the wall, the railings, something metal . . . While they are carrying me someone is biting me, someone else is pinching me . . .I don't even know. I think, my God, when will death come? If only it were sooner . . . Then . . . they carry me out, throw me near the entryway . . . and start kicking me. I lose consciousness . . . What happened after that, how many people there were, I don't remember. I come to after a while, I don't remember how long. A neighbor is bringing me clothing. I'm entirely covered with blood, she puts a dress on me. I remember that I said the same words over and over again: ""Mamma, what happened, Mamma, what have they done to us, where are we, whose house are we at?"" I can't make sense out of anything. There is a guy standing over me, I sort of know him, he served in Afghanistan, his name is Igor, he brought me indoors. When they all went to the third entryway and killed a person there, Igor gathered his courage, took me into his arms, and brought me to the neighbors', even though he's small-minded, he put himself at risk. Igor Agayev is Azerbaijani; he served in Afghanistan. There are three brothers. The older brother also served there, I think; now he's stationed here, on the border, in Armenia. Igor brought me to the neighbors', and then helped me come to my senses, saying, ""Karina, I know you, calm down, I'm not one of them."" How do I know who's who and what's what? I come to, and they clean me up. I was covered in blood. Then Papa . . . I saw Papa, I saw Mamma. And Marina, too . . . Igor was there when they dragged Marina and Lyuda out from under the bed . . . Marina . . . Lyuda said that she was Russian, they said, we'll let you go, we aren't touching the Russians, go. And while they are dragging Marina out she decides she's going to tell them she's Azerbaijani. Igor immediately grabs Marina's and Lyuda's hands, because he knows Marina, and knows that she is Armenian and is our sister, and takes her to the second floor to a neighbor's and starts pounding on the door so she will open up. She opens the door and Igor pushes them in there. So they survived. My sister Lyuda lost consciousness after the bandits started stealing things. While they were going downstairs, taking things downstairs, then coming back up again, Lyuda seized the opportunity and crawled under the bed and stayed there. Then, when she was herself again, she found a torn night shirt and put it on, and some sort of robe and went to a neighbor's on the fourth floor, the one whose apartment I had watched the crowd from, the friend of ours, and knocked on the door. The neighbor opened and said, ""I'm not going to let you in the apartment because I'm afraid of them. But I'll give you some stockings and we'll leave the building."" Lyuda says, ""I'll stay at your place because of what's going on, they keep going up and down the stairs."" It was just for a moment, just a moment in life, but the neighbor wouldn't consent. Lyuda came back to our place and lay under the bed . . . I came to. Mother was there. I can't remember my supervisor's telephone number, but something had to be done. Somehow I remembered and called, and he came to get us. He didn't have any idea what was going on. He thought we were simply afraid, he didn't know that they were killing us and that we had passed between life and death. He came and got us and took us to the police precinct. There they looked us over. I was having trouble walking, my lungs hurt badly, it was hard to breathe . . . My supervisor's name is Urshan Feyruzovich Mamedov. He's the head of our administration. They took us there. When we were leaving, I saw a great number of buses full of soldiers at the entrance to town. The buses were ordinary passenger buses. There were very many soldiers. We left around eleven, right after eleven. If these people could stop what was happening they could save a great many lives . . . Because the crowd was moving on, toward the school, and what was going on there . . . I think everyone know not only in Sumgait, not only in Yerevan. Because there they murdered them all one after the next, without stopping. After us. I think 14 people died in Microdistrict No. 3, and 10 to 12 of them were from Buildings 4, 5, and 6. In our building one person died, and one old woman died from Building 16, that's the building in front of ours. There young Azerbaijani men stopped the mob and wouldn't let it into their building. Incidentally, when we were at the neighbors', Marina called our relatives to warn them, so they would all know what was happening. I called a aunt in Microdistrict No. 5. They have three neighbors who are Armenians. I said, ""Run quickly, I can't explain what's going on; hide, do what you can, just stay alive. Hide at Azerbaijanis', ones who won't give you away."" At that moment three people came in, policemen. I think they were Azerbaijanis. I was in such awful condition, my face was completely distorted my lips were puffed up, there was blood, my eye was swollen, no one thought I would ever see anything out of that eye again . . . my forehead was badly cut, and one-half of my face was pushed out forward. No one would have thought that I would survive, get my normal appearance back, and be able to grasp anything at all. I started to scream at those people, why did you come, who sent you here, no one wants you here, haven't you killed people people yet, what are you doing here? One of the soldiers said, ""Don't scream at us. We're Muslims, but we're not from the Sumgait police. They called in from Daghestan."" So at that point the Daghestan police were there. When we got to the police precinct there were an awful lot of police there, there were soldiers, police with dogs, ambulances, firemen . . . I don't know, maybe they were waiting for people to bring them the goners and the seriously injured to treat them there in the police precinct. I don't know what they were there for. There were also doctors from Baku there. They examined Lyuda and me and said, ""These women need to go to the Maternity Home, but we don't know what to do with the rest."" So they took us, and I lost contact with my parents, my boss, everyone. My boss said, ""Don't worry, I'll find you, no matter where you are, no matter what happens."" We went to the hospital. There we were examined by a department head from the Sumgait Maternity Home, Pashayeva, I think her name was. She examined us. The ambulance was from Baku; I figured out that the Sumgait ambulances hadn't done anything, they didn't respond to any calls. People called and neither the police nor the ambulances showed any sign of life. That doctor looked me over and I could tell from her behavior that something very good had happened, for she became quite glad. I even thought to myself, ""God, can it be that nothing all that bad is wrong?"" She looks me over and says, ""Now why are you suffering so? You don't know what your people have been doing, your people did even worse things."" And I think, great, I have to deal with her . . . And I felt so bad, I thought, why don't I just die so as not to have to hear more stuff like this from people like her? Here I am in this condition and being told about something that our people did. I just didn't have the energy to say, ""How could our people possibly be smart enough to think of something that yours haven't already done?"" I stayed there. Then they brought in another woman, Ira B., she was married, and she was raped in her own apartment, too. There were three of us, Ira, Lyuda, and 1. The next morning they took Lyuda and Ira away. They didn't do anything to help us. This was in the old Maternity Home, in the combined block. They didn't do anything more than examine me, that was it. I didn't want any shots or tranquilizer, nothing. What shots could have calmed me down? I didn't even want to look at them. I lay in the ward. Either it just worked out that way or they did it on pur- pose, but I was alone. I was alone even though the wards were packed. That same evening a woman came by and asked me what was wrong with me, that my face was disfigured. She asked what had happened to me, and I said, ""Better to ask your brother what happened, there's no point in asking me, your brother can better explain what happened."" She fell into a faint. All the doctors threw themselves at her, and the doctor categorically forbade anyone to come into my ward. Then people from work came to see me, my boss, his daughter; they brought me clothing, because I was literally naked. The only thing I had on was a dress, but the woman who gave it to me was very short, and the dress was way up above my knees, and the woman orderly said, ""I can't believe you put on such a short dress, who are you showing off your legs to here?"" I went back to my ward thinking, just one more thing from something. People from work came and brought me something in a sack, apples, I think, three or four pounds, but I couldn't take them. I had become so weak that it was just embarrassing. I said that I couldn't take the apples, and really didn't have any appetite. No one had to bring me anything. Some woman took the sack . . . And, oh yes! . . . Then I heard that the head doctor tell a nurse that my medical history should be hidden or torn up completely so that no one would know that I was an Armenian, maybe they wouldn't figure it out from looking at me. So they must have been thinking that there would be some kind of attack, that something else would happen. That it would be worse. Or, perhaps, someone was outside on the street, I don't know. In any case, I didn't sleep a wink that night. The next morning they picked me up, a whole police detail, put me in a bus, and off we went. I didn't even know where they were taking me. They took me to the club where the troops were, the very one I was in that ill-fated evening. I got off the bus. Near the City Party Committee there were a great many troops, tanks, armored personnel carriers; the whole scene was terrible. I saw a few people I knew there, and that calmed me a little. I had already thought that I was the only one left. So there were five or six of us left in Sumgait after that night. I still didn't know what happened to my parents, they didn't come to see me in the hospital, and my boss told me that everything was fine. I didn't know whether to believe him or not. Maybe he was just trying to calm me down, maybe something happened on the way. Then I went to the club and saw a lot of people I knew. They all knew one another, they were all kissing each other and asking, ""What happened, what went on?"" Two days later they came to see me from work. They were there all the time. Each day they came, showed interest, and were constantly bringing me money. They did everything they could. Of course I'm most thankful to my boss, the only one of my colleagues who didn't lose his presence of mind and who didn't change his opinions, neither before, nor after, nor in the heat of the moment, no matter what happened. He constantly took an interest. A sincere interest, from the heart . . . Then, about two days later, the secretary of the Party Committee came, not from our Party organization, but from the First Trust, which ours is part of, Comrade Kerimov, a very important figure in our town. He made arrangements with the emergency medical personnel to take me away, because if I sat down by myself I couldn't get up or lie down again. There was something wrong with my lungs, it was hard to breathe. They examined me there several times, there I lay were several doctors, they all thought that . . . that it must just be from all the blows, I don't know. They didn't diagnose anything in particular. When I was in the Maternity Home I even asked . . . I made it a point of insisting that they take me to the trauma section because I felt so awful. There was no way something inside wasn't broken, my ribs . . . Well they took me there and took x-rays and said that everything was fine. There were emergency medical workers on duty in the club. The mother of one of Marina's friends was there. She was the head doctor at the Sumgait Children's Clinic. They had every kind of antifever agent in the world, which was exactly what I needed at that moment, I thought. I said that I was having great difficulty breathing, I couldn't seem to get enough air, something was wrong with me. They put tight bandages around my chest and waist. Later I overheard some people saying that I had been cut all over. I think they just saw me being all bandaged up and decided that my breasts and face had been cut . . . But I wasn't cut. They took us to the Khimik boarding house. We lived there a long time. Soon appeared representatives . . . They were agitating. At first people would not talk to them, and drove them off. One of the Armenian women shouted, ""We demand that Seidov come!"" The response was, ""It's Seidov who sent us."" Seidov is the Chairman of the Azerbaijani Council of Ministers. The woman said, ""We'll only see Seidov's daughter, have her come here, we'll do the same things to her that they did to our daughters, and then we'll deal with you agitators."" And so on. More of them said, ""Have Seidov himself come."" This went on day in, day out. The agitators kept coming and coming, this drove us out of our wits. Then people gradually started departing for Yerevan because they realized it was senseless to stay. Everything got on our nerves: The smell, the small children. There were children at the SK club, children who had literally just come out of the Maternity Home. What were they doing in a club that didn't even have running water all the time? At first we had to pay to eat there. They even overcharged us, as it turned out. On the second day someone told us that they would bring us food for free. The children were ill. Everything stank there. Well imagine about 3,000 people in a small movie theater with seating for no more than 500. You couldn't sit or lie down, it was impossible to even move. The stench was awful. Even the smallest infants took ill overnight there. I heard that they were arriving seriously ill in Yerevan, the infants. They have to be washed, they have to be bathed, not to mention that we, the adults, were ill and needed care. People were fainting right and left. I just don't know, everyone was crying, everyone . . . Only the young people, the men, somehow managed to keep it together. But the women were in a constant state of panic. It seemed to everyone that they would come any minute and kill and stab. It seemed clear that we had been gathered together purposely, like during the war, so that they could burn the movie theater and there wouldn't be a single Armenian left. Then people went up to the attic. I didn't see them, I only heard them, because I was lying down and couldn't get up. I lay right on the stage, we had some room there. Apparently they caught two people with either oil or gas. I think they wanted to burn the theater. Maybe someone saw them, I didn't. I was in no condition to open my eyes. Everyone was suspicious of everyone else. They would ask, ""Aren't you an Azerbaijani? I think I saw you somewhere, I think you're an Azerbaijani."" They led out all the men and started letting them back in by checking their passports, relatives might be covering for each other. Half of the people did not have any documents. There were people who had run out of their homes in nothing but a pair of pants and slippers, or wearing just a shirt, not like they should have, with their IDs. So on the 28th, on Sunday, I think, the police did nothing to help us. On Monday everything resumed where it had left off on Block 41A. They didn't spare a soul there: not children, not pregnant women, nobody. They killed, they burned, they hacked with axes, just everything possible. They murdered the Melkumian family whom I knew, my mother worked with them. Their daughter- in-law went to school with my older sister. They were brutally murdered. Only the two daughters-in-law survived. By a miracle one was able to save herself, she ran away, the neighbors wouldn't take her in, so she ran about the building until she found refuge. She was pregnant and had two small children. This all continued on Monday in Block 41A, on the 29th, when the troops were already in the city. They murdered people, they overturned automobiles, and they burned entire families. They say they didn't even know for sure if the people were Armenians or not. I heard that the Lezgins suffered, too. I'm not sure myself, I didn't see any Lezgins who had been injured. They burned cars so it's very difficult now to say exactly who died and who didn't. It was very difficult to identify the corpses, or rather, what remained of the corpses after they were doused in gasoline and burned . . . it's all very hard to imagine, of course I heard that many people disappeared without a trace, from the BTZ plant two people, including a woman who worked the night shift, Aunt Razmella, who also lived in Microdistrict 3. They were stopping buses between Baku and Sumgait. In the evening people who had been visiting Baku were returning to Sumgait, and people from Baku were going home from Sumgait, and there were students, too. They were simply savagely murdered. They were stopping the buses, the drivers immediately did what they were told because there was just no other way to deal with that hoard of brutally minded people. They stopped the buses, dragged the Armenians out and killed them on the spot. I didn't see it myself, but I heard that they put them all in a pile so as to burn them. Later it was hard to discern from the corpses, well you can't call them corpses, you had to figure out from the ashes who it was. l heard that two fellows saved two women, one a student, Ira G., if I'm not mistaken. She was in the hospital a long time after that, and she still can't figure out who saved her. She was also brutally raped and beaten and thrown onto a pile of corpses. The fellow pulled her out of that whole pile of corpses, put his coat on her, took her into his arms, and carried her to the city. I still can't imagine how he managed to do that. I heard that from Engels Grigorian. He knows her, apparently. Well a lot of people went to that hospital anyway. She was in the hospital and singing a song in Armenian, and they wrote the words down, and, I think he still has that piece of paper, because he says that a lot of people now have that song, the one she sang in the hospital where she lay in such bad shape. They couldn't find the guy who saved her. He left her in someone's apartment and called the ambulance, she was in such awful shape that, probably, like me, she couldn't remember anyone's face. I think that I knew one of the people who broke into our house, maybe I had talked with him once. But I received so many blows everything was just knocked out of my head. I can't remember to this day who he was. Then, it seems, I saw the Secretary of the Directorate's Party organization, where Marina works. She goes to school and works, she goes to night school at AZI, and works by day at the Khimzashchita Construction and Installation Administration. I'm the Secretary of the Komsomol organization at our administration and often met with the secretaries of Party and Komsomol organizations. We had joint meetings. I know them all, I've even talked with them, and he, I know, is from Armenia. An Azerbaijani, but from Armenia. It became obvious that many of those people were Azerbaijanis born in Armenia. They took me to various police stations, to the police precinct, and to the Procuracy, because the USSR Procuracy got involved in the case, and I iden- tified the photographs of people who I could more or less recognize. They showed me the people who were in our apartment, they're working on our case, but I can't even recognize them, although it was proved that they were the ones, they're processing it somehow. They tell me that they know that someone held me by the arm and someone else held me by the leg when they were dragging me. There was someone else in our apartment who did not even touch me, he just stole a blanket and an earring or something like that. All these people, all of them, as much as I've heard about them and seen them, they were all from Kafan. The Secretary of the Party organization is named Najaf, Najaf Rzayev. He was there when everything started. It must have been him because I didn't recognize anyone else in the crowd whom I knew besides him. All the more since I told him, ""Listen, you do something, because you know me."" He turned away and went toward the bedroom, where Marina was. Well you couldn't see Marina anyway. There was such a noisy confusion of people that you couldn't make out anyone. All of it flew right out of my head, and then gradually I became myself again, at the City Party Committee . . . There were military people there. I told them what went on, and they wrote it all down. I told them his name. On March 8 the Secretary of our First Trust Party organization, the one we're part of, came to see us, his name is Najaf Rzayev. I tell Mamma, ""If he's here despite the fact that I gave his name, it means that either his alibi has been confirmed or, probably, that they think I'm crazy, not responsible for my words."" He said, ""What did they do to you, how awful, myself, I hid an Armenian family."" Then after some time goes by he comes back again and says something entirely different: ""I wasn't at home, my family and I went to Baku."" I said, ""Marina, what is he saying? He said something totally different before."" After that I didn't go to see our Procurator, our case is being handled by a procurator from Voronezh, Fedorov by name. Fedorov told me that Rzayev's case had just gotten to him, and there were so names involved. What are they doing with Rzayev? Did he prove his alibi or not? They just think that since I was hit in the head I can't say anything for sure, whether it was him or not. It will be an insult if he was in our apartment and doesn't have to pay for it, but at the same time I'm afraid to say I'm a hundred percent sure that it was he. Because no mat- ter who I name, they tell me, no, you're wrong, he didn't do that, that one wasn't there. All the faces have gotten mixed up in my mind. Who did what exactly I can't say. When they took me outside there was a whole crowd there, but I didn't see it, because I had my eyes closed all the time. It seemed to me that I always got it because of my eyes, people were always hassling me, for some reason it always seemed to me that my eyes are responsible. When they were beating my face I thought they were trying to put my eyes out. So I had my eyes closed, they took me outside and started to beat me. A young guy, 22, held my arms, he works at the BTZ plant. And right nearby, across the road from us, Block 41, is where all this was going on. Right across the road from us. The BTZ dormitory is over there, that's where he lives. Now he's in custody, they even have proved, as far as I know, that it was he who killed Shurik Gambarian, the clarinet player from the third entryway of our building. One person in our building was killed, it was that man. A guy comes by who shared a room with the guy who was holding me. He saw that he was holding me by the arms and that he was beating me, but he didn't come over, he just looked and then went into the dormitory. A while after it was all over, people started making announcements in town saying that investigators had been summoned. That guy went and told them everything. Now they've caught him, everything's been proved. Now, evidently, they've been beating him, I don't know what they're doing with them over there, but he himself said that he was working the night shift at the plant. Some young guy came to the plant and said, ""Everyone who wants to kill Armenians come to the bus station on Saturday at ten."" That was it. He said, the ones who wanted to, went. This was at the BTZ plant, during the night shift, probably, late Friday night. It was at night, they were at the sauna together. And he said, what do you mean, do you understand what you are saying? The others were silent, probably, in their hearts they were thinking, I'm going to go. But they didn't say anything to one another. He said that he thought it important to to go, because he had heard a lot about what had happened in Kafan, that they had killed their Azerbaijani sisters, their mothers, burned villages, and all of that. That guy was also born in Kafan. That is certain. And Marina says that the Secretary of the Party organization is from Armenia, too. from I've participated in the investigation a couple of times. I'm satisfied with them thus far. They summoned us and asked about what happened, and every word I said was recorded. I met some guy there . . . By the way, he was an Armenian. I said that he was in our apartment, but what he did, I don't know. His last name was Grigorian, Eduard Grigorian. He s from Sumgait, from Microdistrict 1. He was sentenced I think, to five years, not his first time. His mother is Russian. I met with him at the KGB in Baku, at the Azerbaijani KGB. They took us there and showed me photographs. There were so many photographs, I think they even photographed those people who were caught at curfew, and I've got them all confused. I say, the face was about like this, the guy in the white coat with the red clasps. But he could take that coat off and burn it somewhere, and it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. Well. This guy, Grigorian, I said, he was in our apartment, but he is so light-complected that he looks like a Lezgin. I don't know what he did, I can't remember. Maybe he beat me or raped me. But he was in our apartment. At the KGB he started asking me, pleading with me, there's no need for this, all this stuff, look me in the eyes, you're like a sister to me. I took a look at him and thought, ""My God, Heaven forbid that I should have a brother like you."" But they were satisfied with my responses, because I said everything without great certainty. I was there with Mamma. Then Lyuda came in, but when she came in she got sick immediately. She wanted to kill him, she crawled over the table at him. She recognized him. When she came to, Lyuda was lying on the balcony, the mob threw her there and all of them ran into the bedroom. We had all kinds of boxes with dishes in them, the dowries for all three sisters. They stole everything in the apartment, leaving only small things. At that moment Lyuda came to and started remembering everything. Well, seeing the faces, hearing the voices . . . Two people were saying they could burn the apartment. Another says, why burn the apartment when I've got three kids and no place to live. So this guy was in temporary housing, he didn't have anywhere to live, he was from Sumgait. They were sure that they would get the apartment. Besides, the neighbors were Azerbaijani. Why should they burn the apartment, they might burn Azerbaijanis. That's what they said. How did they know there were Azerbaijanis there, if they just picked a place, thinking that Armenians lived there? We have a list of the residents for our part of the building, our name is in there, but how could they know that Azerbaijanis lived on the other side of the wall from us? So they didn't set fire to our apartment. I don't know, I was in such bad shape that if all of it had come to a halt when I was outside, if someone had asked me what was happening, I would have said that a civil war was going on. Well, maybe not civil . . . but probably civil, because when they were beating me I opened my eyes and saw that all the neighbors were standing on their balconies and watching, like at a free horror film. So a civil war was going on, and only the Armenians were being fought. If it were a world war or something like that, they would have been fighting everyone. But they only fought us. Then I met some women from our building, some Azerbaijanis. They are crying, they tell me, ""Karina, we saw all of it, how could it happen?"" They're asking me! Well I just don't know what to call it if a normal girl can stand there and watch what happened to me. I think that if it were the other way around either I wouldn't have been able to take it, or I would have tried to avert it, like that one Azerbaijani woman did in front of our building. A woman lives there, an awful, dissipated woman, if you can call her a woman, the dissipated life she leads. Two Armenian families live there, in her part of the building. She came out on the balcony and saw what was happening to me and started to scream and curse. She came down to the entryway and said, ""You'll come in this entryway over my dead body."" So not one of them took it in his head to go in that entryway. Some folks were saying that those people were so out of control that they didn't even know what they were doing. I don't think that's true. They knew very well what they were doing if they didn't even lift a hand against that woman. They couldn't have cared less about her, but the fact that she was an Azerbaijani stopped them. They were just beasts, they had smoked so much. When they came to our place they were all chewing something. I noticed: Everyone who came into the apartment was chewing something. I think, my God, maybe I just think that? Maybe I'm losing my mind? But no, they're all chewing something. Maybe it is some kind of drug, it must be, because . . . At first glance they all seemed to be such normal people, young, clean-shaven, looking exactly as if they had come to some sort of celebration. But they were shouting something. They didn't talk, they shouted, as though there were deaf people there. They screamed and screamed: ""Yeah, killing, killing, we're killing the Armenians!"" Only they didn't shout ""kill,"" they shouted ""gurun ermianlary."" Gurun literally means ""kill,"" or ""destroy."" That's how it was! I'll continue. We hid in a captain's apartment, he's an Azerbaijani, his wife is a Tatar. We were sitting in their apartment, their kids were out in the yard. Their kids knew a whole lot. This was in our part of the building, on the third floor. When Mamma came to and couldn't find Lyuda she took Papa's hand, this was while the looters were stealing things, but they didn't pay attention because they were stealing things. Apparently they had already ceased killing and switched to stealing. Mamma found the courage to . . . A boy said to my mother ""Where's the gold?"" Mamma said he must have been 12 to 14 years old. He even looked Russian, he was so fair-skinned. But the Azerbaijanis from Armenia are fair-skinned. I noticed they were all on the fair side. He shouted, they were all smashing things, and he asks Mamma where the gold is. We kept our gold in the wardrobe with our important papers. In a little black bag, we kept everything in there. Mamma doesn't really like to wear gold. She probably never even wore those things from the time they were bought for her. They took everything that was lying on the cheval glass. Mamma thinks that the gold saved us. Because they threw themselves at the gold, and Mamma grabbed Papa, who was trying to breathe. They had closed his mouth, bound his hands, and put a pillow and a chair on his face . . . They had shoved something into his mouth so he would suffocate. Mamma grabbed him and tore all that stuff off . . . He had something in his mouth, he was having trouble breathing, his nose was filled with blood. Mamma grabbed him and started running from the fifth down to the first floor because no one wanted to open their doors to them. Mamma said that by accident, completely by accident that person opened his door, he was sleeping, and said, half-awake, ""What's happened?"" He sees that they are bloody. Mamma said, ""At least go and find out what's happening to my daughters, even if they've burned them or murdered them, at least bring the corpses."" He went looking for us. At that moment Lyuda was under the bed. She says that after they left it seemed that someone was calling her name. When he quietly called her she couldn't get out from under the bed. She wanted to get out and was calling softly. She thought she was shouting, but in fact she was either silent or was only talking to herself, it just seemed to her that she was shouting. When she got out from under the bed everyone was gone. And again . . . She thought that she had lost her mind. I'll never leave here, never! To hell with it! It just seems that way to me, I'll come to eventually. But then, when everything had settled down, stopped, that mall brought Lyuda down, and Igor carried me in from outside. Or first I was brought in, then Lyuda, I don't remember what order it happened in. And Mamma said, ""Listen, they're all running around down there, shouting something or other, and running toward the other building."" It had more or less calmed down where we were. Who's dead, who's alive, we don't know. I tried to call my girlfriend. I had basically come to. Mamma says, ""Listen; let's go upstairs, at least get a mattress or something. We don't know how long we'll be here. Maybe they didn't burn everything."" I don't get it, all women have that feeling, they want to get something from their homes, maybe not everything was taken? I tell Mamma, ""Mamma, what do you need any of that for? To hell with it! We're alive, forget the rest of it, all of it!"" She says, ""No, let's go get at least something. Maybe we'll leave here, spend the night at someone else's."" Mamma went upstairs, and their little boy, their son Alik, was standing on the lookout. lIe was standing there to see if they were coming. They only managed to run up there and grab something one time. He shouts, ""Come back, they're coming!"" They didn't have enough time to get a lot, mattresses from one apartment, a blanket from another . . . Mamma got my knitting . . . Someone managed to grab our old things, the ones we never wore, out of the hall . . . Someone took Father's old coveralls. The neighbor, his wife, Mamma and Papa . . . Marina went with them. I was in no condition to leave. Neither was Lyuda. We just sat. They ran out and we closed the door and just then we hear that the mob is on its way toward our place upstairs, they're dragging something again. They were going toward the other building, maybe over by the school, or . . . There was an unfinished building over there, people said they were going toward the basement or the unfinished building, they could gradually carry everything over there. Then things more or less calmed down. I tried to call my boss. Later there was more noise. We were on the third floor, in a one-bedroom apartment, and a woman lives in the one-bedroom place on the second floor, Asya Dallakian. She's an old woman, retired. She wasn't at home, at that time she was usually in the country, she has a married daughter there, and her grandson is in the army. She is only very rarely in town; she gets her retirement money and the apartment is essentially vacant. They started pounding on her door and broke it down. She had two or three beds in there, something like that, she's a 60-to 70-year-old woman who really does not even live there. Probably she had some pots, a couple of metal bed frames and mattresses, and a television. When her grandson came she bought a television. They started wrecking everything. I started getting sick again. I think, ""My God, what is going on around here? When will this end?"" We turned off the lights and sat. As it turns out the people who weren't afraid, the ones who knew what was going on, knew not to turn off the lights. We didn't know, but they didn't come to where we were all the same. They all knew very well that he was a captain. He went out and closed the door, and we sat in his apartment. His last name was Kasumov. He's an exserviceman, retired, works up at the fire station at some plant or other. He went out and stood at his door. They tell him, ""Comrade Captain, don't worry, we won't harm you, you're one of us."" He went upstairs, and they say, ""Aren't you taking anything from this apartment?"" He says, ""I don't need anything."" And the women who were standing in the yard . . . we have a basement, full of water . . . the women who were standing in the yard saw. Those guys, they left everything they stole on the first floor and ran upstairs again. The women threw everything they had time to into the basement, to save our property. Some things were left: dirty pillows, two or three other things and a rug. A guy came downstairs, really mad, and he says, ""Where's the rug? I just put it right here!"" They tell him, ""Some guy came and took it and went off toward the school."" He ran off in that direction. Oh! I forgot the most important point. When Igor picked me up in his arms, there were women standing there who saw everything that was going on. They just didn't tell me about it for a long time. The wife of that military man, she didn't want to kill my spirit, I was already dead enough. Later she told me, that after they murdered Uncle Shurik in the third entryway one of them, the ringleader, apparently a young man, said, ""Where's the girl who was here?"" And he became furious. The woman tells him, ""She came to . . . "" She didn't know what to say: Think something up? Someone carried her off? Then they would comb the whole house and find me and our whole family. So the woman says, ""She came to and went to the basement."" Now, our basement is full of water. So the whole mob dashes off to the basement to look for me or my corpse. They took flashlights; they were up to their waists in water, water which had been standing there for years, and soot, and fuel oil. They climbed down in there to get me. Then one of them said, ""There's so much water down there, she probably walked and walked and then passed out and died. She met her death in the basement. That's it, we can leave, no problem!"" I didn't know that, and when I was told, I felt worse. Two times worse. A lot worse! So they didn't just want to pound me flat, something more awful was awaiting me . . . After that we of course didn't want to live in Sumgait any longer. We really didn't want to go back to our apartment. When we moved, I went up there and started to quiver and shake all over, because I started remembering it all. Although the neighbors all sobbed, it was all . . . so cheap . . . The people who sat in their apartments and didn't help us at a time like that. I think that they could have helped! I don't think that they were obligated to, but they could have helped us! Because that one woman was able to stop that whole brutal crowd by herself. That means they could have, too. It would have been enough foe one man or women to say, What do you think you're doing?"" That's all! That would have done it. There were 60 apartments in our building. Not one person said it! When I was lying on the ground and all those people were standing on their balconies I didn't hear anyone's voice, no one said what are you doing, leave her alone . . . Mamma even told one of the neighbor women that if it had been an Azerbaijani woman in my place they would have dropped a bomb if it would have killed even one Armenian. They would have stood up for one of their own. True, they say that our neighbor from the fourth entryway, an old/ sick woman tried to stop the pogrom. The Azerbaijanis have a custom: if a woman takes her scarf and throws it on the ground, the men are supposed to stop immediately. The old woman from the fourth entryway did that, but they stomped her scarf into the ground, pushed her off to the side, and said, ""If you want to go on living, you'll disappear into your apartment."" So she left. That trick didn't work on them. Even the neighbors who helped us move told me, OK, fine, calm down, forget that it happened. I said I'd only forget it if I told them right then that it had happened to their daughter--and if that didn't have any effect on them, then I would forget everything, too. Imagine that it happened to your sister. And no one did anything. Anything. April 25, 1988 Yerevan - - - reference - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 93-109 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 ";15;1 "From: ejbehr@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) Subject: Asante EN/SC hangs SCSI devices Reply-To: behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) Organization: Central Illinois Surfing Club Lines: 31 I just hooked up my Mac IIsi to a relatively old (1 year?) Asante EN/SC adapter. The 10Base-T connection works like a charm. I installed the newest drivers from Asante's ftp server. The problem begins when I attach one more device to the SCSI chain - specifically a 50MB drive. I power up the drive, then the Mac. The Mac tests memory, etc. Just before the ""happy Mac face"" normally shows up, the power light on the EN/SC goes out, and the boot process stops. So I can use the network, or the external drive, but not both at once. This makes the Asante box pretty much unusable. It doesn't look like a purely electrical SCSI problem, because if I turn on the drive just a second or so too late, so that it doesn't get noticed during the initial SCSI polling, the Mac boots normally and the adapter works, even though the hard disk is powered on and connected. The Mac has *never* once failed to boot from its internal drive up to now (and I've had it for over a year). Here is what I tried: changing the SCSI ID's of the EN/SC and the disk -- several permutations; changing the order of devices, i.e. the EN/SC at the head or tail of the chain; overterminating with an external terminator (both devices have internal ones); underterminating, i.e. removing internal resistors from the hard disk; trying another EN/SC box; trying another identical drive; trying several different SCSI cables. Has anybody seen this? More importantly, does anyone have a solution? Thanks a lot. E. -- Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department behr@math.ilstu.edu or behr@ilstu.bitnet (please avoid!) ";-1;0 "From: abdkw@stdvax (David Ward) Subject: Re: Questions about Titan IV and Ariane 5 Distribution: sci Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center - Robotics Lab Lines: 26 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 In article , gwg33762@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Garret W. Gengler) writes... >In sci.space you write: > >>Try the ENVIRONET database at GSFC. FTP to envnet.gsfc.nasa.gov or >>128.183.104.16, or call (310)286-5690. They have data on STS, Ariane, Titan, >>Atlas, Delta and Scout launch environments. > >Howdy. Thanks for the info. > >I tried ""anonymous"" FTP there, but it didn't work. >I also tried telnetting to the same address, but it asked for a login >and password, although there was a note saying that the new username for >environet was ""envnet"". > >Anyways, do you have any idea what else I should try? > >Thanks, >Garret > > The home office number for ENVIRONET is (301) 286-5690 (note area code change). A friend of mine used to use it to get LDEF data, but he had to apply for a login name and password. I have a call in for more info, which I hope to get in the morning. David W. @ GSFC ";-1;0 "From: leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: University of Toronto, Systems Control Group Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr20.151818.4319@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Marks@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Marks) writes: >>And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to >>being traded to Pittsburgh. Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains >>and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them. They rotate the A's during the >>season (and even the C while Mario was out). Even Troy Loney has worn the C >>for the Pens. > I think that Mike Foligno was the captain of the Sabres when he got traded to the Leafs. Also, wasn't Rick Vaive the captain of the Leafs when he got traded to Chicago (with Steve Thomas for Ed Olcyzk and someone). Speaking of the Leafs, I believe that Darryl Sittler was their captain (he'd torn the ""C"" off his jersey but I think he re-claimed the captaincy later on) when he was traded to the Flyers. Oh yeah, of course, Gretzky was the captain of the Oilers before he was traded wasn't he? Gary ";-1;0 "From: ac999135@umbc.edu (ac999135) Subject: *** WANTED: Cheap Used GAMEBOY/TG-16 Games *** Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 7 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu X-Auth-User: ac999135 The title says it all...If you have some cheap used GAMEBOY or TG-16 (2 Player or more) Games, Please email me all offers... Rohit ";-1;0 "Subject: Post Polio Syndrome Information Needed Please !!! From: keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart) Organization: Actrix Information Exchange Lines: 9 My wife has become interested through an acquaintance in Post-Polio Syndrome This apparently is not recognised in New Zealand and different symptons ( eg chest complaints) are treated separately. Does anone have any information on it Thanks Keith ";-1;0 "From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 19 Distribution: na Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu In article klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes: > cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: > > In article <1993Apr13.195301.22652@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: > > } Guess which line is which: > > } BA OBP SLG AB H 2B 3B HR BB > > } X .310 .405 .427 571 177 27 8 8 87 > > } Y .312 .354 .455 657 205 32 1 20 35 > I just love how the Alomar fans left RBIs off this list. Give me a break! A little delayed, but in the interests of fairness (stats from Elias); BA OBP SLG R HR RBI RNI % outs Alomar .310 .405 .427 105 8 76 264 20.5 419 Baerga .312 .354 .455 92 20 105 316 21.2 480 So we see that Baerga has a large advantage in RBI (runs batted in), RNI (runners not driven in) and outs. john rickert rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu ";-1;0 "From: sp1marse@lina (Marco Seirio) Subject: Surface intersections Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 I have a problem with intersections between two surfaces. Does anybody have a easy to understand algorithm for that or maybe even C source?? Marco Seirio - In real life sp1marse@caligula.his.s ";-1;0 "From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 96 >/(hudson) >/And from a materialistic point of view, it could be said that the nervous >/system is just matter. What is wrong with producing chemical reactions in >/matter? > >Because this matter is different. It is alive, and self-aware. And it >feels pain. /(hudson) /If all morality were relative- big hairy deal. As I said, you appear to be the only person saying that all morality is relative. Most people I know do hold some absolutes in their moral system. I >>personally<< believe that the dignity of the individual and the right of free will are absolutes. I recognize that there are some moral systems around which don't accept this; I reject them as dangerous and anti-social (nazism, some forms of communism, fundamentalist xtianity--no, that's not a slam). But for the most part, almost every moral system agrees on these two points. (me) >and the sky, and everything in it; everything that was created came out >of God. Everything, including this matter, is part of God. Therefore, is >it wrong to put parts of God in a test tube and make It go through >reactions? Isn't that a form of blasphemy? /(hudson) /Generally, Christians believe in a Creator-Creation distinction. Other /religions believe in one big whole. I don't accept yor premises. Too bad. I know I'm right, so I get to enforce my view upon you whether you like my premise or not. And since you can't prove otherwise, there isn't even an intellectual basis for your resistance to accepting my viewpoint. >/(hudson) >/How long will it be before the ""as long as it doesn't hurt someone else"" >/becomes more and more relative until the only rule that is left is >/""I will do what I want to do, no matter who it hurts."" > >There's a big jump between those two positions, and you know it very >well. Don't play stupid. I realize that you're trying to dispute >what you call ""popular morality"" by using what you think is logic, >but you're stretching this a bit too thin. /(hudson) /I don't think so. once morality becomes relative, it degenerates. I am /saying that reasoning that it is generally evil to hurt other people is bad. /(though I don't think it is sufficient.) Well, then answer me this: you seem to be opposed to moral relativism (as you call it) because it has the capacity to degenerate. Obviously, then, you would advocate a nonrelative (absolute) moral system. Whose absolutist moral system do we choose? How do we come to this decision? What about people who disagree with the chosen moral system? /(hudson) /But if morality is considered to /be relative, and this rule isn't based on anything, but is just an arbitrary /rule, people might abandon it. Fine. I can agree with most of what you typed here. However, just because morality gets based on something nonrelative does NOT mean that we have to pick your xtianity as its base. We can start a morality based on dignity of humans, freedom of choice, tolerance, etc. and NEVER EVER rely on xtianity for anything. Just because someone has a consistent moral system based on true principles does not mean that they have to involve xtianity in it. Xtianity certainly does not have a monopoly on principles of behavior; indeed, fewer religions are guiltier of violating their own principles ";19;1 "From: yuanchie@aludra.usc.edu (Roger Y. Hsu) Subject: 14.4K Fax Modem for Sale - Repost Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu Hi, Since the original buyer found out he couldn't use this modem for his Mac (I beleive I mentioned that it's an internal in my former post), the modem is re-available now. This modem is SupraFaxModem V.32bis. If interested, please e-mail. Thanks! PS: I am sorry I already lost those e-mails stated interested in this modem. If you all are still interested, please e-mail me again. ";-1;0 "From: tvartiai@vipunen.hut.fi (Tommi Vartiainen) Subject: Re: TPS will stay on the top... Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 15 In <1993Apr6.171611.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes: >BTW. Is Juha Yl|nen (centre, HPK) drafted by the Jets?? During last year >he has reached the top level among Finnish centres. He had very good >playoff games against TPS! I'm not sure about Juha, but another top center, Rauli Raitanen([ss{t) is drafted by Jets. Raitanen had very good year and he has played in the Finnish nationalteam. I believe that he'll be one of the best finns in this year's WC, if Matikainen(Head coach) elects him to the team. > Hannu Tommi ";-1;0 "From: paladin@world.std.com (Thomas G Schlatter) Subject: Re: ?Order of files written when exitting windows? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr22.001934.14921@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hayesj@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (HAYES JAMES MICHAEL JR) writes: > >Trying to pin point a hardware problem with my disk, Maxtor >7213AT. Group files get corrupted on a regular basis. >Only happens on this drive, D had only one corrupt file >in over a year and it was under the control of winword on C. >32-bit disk access and smartdrive are off. Since installation >of dblspace problem has turned from an annoyance to a reason for >murder. Are you using Fastopen? If you are, disable it. We had a lot of problems with fastopen corrupting weird things (including the Windows permanent swap file) when we were using it. > >Since the most frequent files corrupted are the *.grp files, >are these the last thing written to when exitting Windows? Indeed they are. Advanced Personal Measure tells me they are accessed just before shell.dll > >Also, are there any pd/shareware utilities available that do >a more thorough job than dos 6, NDD 4.5, etc? DOS 6 and >Win 3.1 compatable. I really like Spinrite and QA Plus Tom paladin@world.std.com ";6;1 "From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.houghton.mi.us (Jim Johnson) Subject: Run box w/o cover ?? Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch Lines: 25 B(>i am interested in getting the pulse of this group regarding B(>extended operation of my G2K 486-33V with the cover removed B(>from the enclosure. there are a # of reasons i am considering B(>this, including quick access to jumpers during complex i/o card B(>setups. B(>my concern is that without a complete enclosure to direct the B(>cooling flow of air from the fan, ""hot spots"" may develop on my B(>motherboard or elsewhere. If you have an adequate supply of air moving over the system (most offices or homes have positive ventilation) you can generally run a system without the cover for extended periods without a problem. (I'm talking about completely removing the cover - not just leaving the slots uncovered.) HOWEVER, the biggest reason you have a cover to begin with is RF sheilding. Operating a system without the full cover may create problems with other equipment such as your neighbor's TV or Ham radio station - very much a no-no in the eyes of the law. * SLMR 2.1a * Remember - They're only tools, not a way of life! -- Via DlgQWK v0.71a ";-1;0 "From: keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley) Subject: Re: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why? Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 44 In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) wrote: > > The major component of any realistic plan to go to the Moon cheaply (for > more than a brief visit, at least) is low-cost transport to Earth orbit. > For what it costs to launch one Shuttle or two Titan IVs, you can develop > a new launch system that will be considerably cheaper. (Delta Clipper > might be a bit more expensive than this, perhaps, but there are less > ambitious ways of bringing costs down quite a bit.) Ah, there's the rub. And a catch-22 to boot. For the purposes of a contest, you'll probably not compete if'n you can't afford the ride to get there. And although lower priced delivery systems might be doable, without demand its doubtful that anyone will develop a new system. Course, if a low priced system existed, there might be demand... I wonder if there might be some way of structuring a contest to encourage low cost payload delivery systems. The accounting methods would probably be the hardest to work out. For example, would you allow Rockwell to 'loan' you the engines? And so forth... > Any plan for doing > sustained lunar exploration using existing launch systems is wasting > money in a big way. > This depends on the how soon the new launch system comes on line. In other words, perhaps a great deal of worthwhile technology (life support, navigation, etc.) could be developed prior to a low cost launch system. You wouldn't want to use the expensive stuff forever, but I'd hate to see folks waiting to do anything until a low cost Mac, oops, I mean launch system comes on line. I guess I'd simplify this to say that 'waste' is a slippery concept. If your goal is manned lunar exploration in the next 5 years, then perhaps its not 'wasted' money. If your goal is to explore the moon for under $500 million, then you should put of this exploration for a decade or so. Craig Craig Keithley |""I don't remember, I don't recall, Apple Computer, Inc. |I got no memory of anything at all"" keithley@apple.com |Peter Gabriel, Third Album (1980) ";2;1 "From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase) Subject: Seeking FAX For Network Access Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Lines: 9 I am seeking recommendations/Vendors for a Networkable FAX. It would mainly be used for outgoing FAX's from Mac's on our Net. The ability to Fax from other platforms would be a plus. Ethernet interface would be preffered but LocalTalk would suffice. Can anyone provide any info? Thanks in advance, --Peter <==================================+==================================> Peter Haase + Internet: haase@meediv.lanl.gov Network Manager + Los Alamos National Laboratory ";-1;0 "From: v063kcbp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MITCH) Subject: Thanks! (Backing Up Masters) Keywords: Misled, Confused, Advice, Comprendo! Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 8 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu Just a quick THANKS to the many who explained the backing up of my masters. Apparently they are NOT copy-protected; I just used a program that is unable to handle high-density (old shit). I was surprised to hear that ""NO programs on high-density disks have copy protection,"" which someone back there said. Huh! Learn something new every day! - Mitch ";-1;0 "From: daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy) Subject: Re: Bruins vs Canadiens: Nntp-Posting-Host: cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Lines: 73 In article <1993Apr16.213513.7683@rose.com> jack.petrilli@rose.com (jack petrilli) writes: >So I don't know what you mean by parity; Boston never was, is not now, >and never will be as good an organization as the Montreal Canadiens. > Never was? Probably. Is not now? Debatable. What other valid test can you think of besides the final standings or divisional playoff winner? What do you propose, a worthless vote like they do in college football? What a joke! >You Boston fans make me laugh: you're going crazy based on a very >recent Boston domination over Montreal in the playoffs. I mean how >many cups has Boston won compared to Montreal's 23? And who do you >think is going to win the **next** cup between the 2 teams? Montreal >or Boston? You know Sinden's going to find some way of screwing up >even this good Boston team. He'll fire Suter or trade away a vital >star. (Admittedly, his last few trades have been good ones but how >long before his luck runs out and he starts making Esposito-for- >Ratelle type trades again?) > If I remember right, Brad Park was also involved in that trade. He wasn't all that bad a hockey player. But let's look at some of Sinden's trades over the years: ??? for Rick Middleton (Rangers). I don't know who Sinden gave up for Middle- ton, so I'll call this one a +. Barry Pederson for Cam Neely (Canucks). +++. Any questions? Greg Hawgood for Vladimir Ruzicka (Oilers). ++. Didja see that one Rosie roofed against Roy in last year's playoffs? Courtnall/Ranford for Andy Moog (Oilers). A wash. Moog is a good goaltender, Ranford burned Boston in the Finals in his first year, and Courtnall always seems to get his points. Anyone in Vancouver care to comment on Courtnall as a defensive liability? Ken Linseman for Dave Poulin (Flyers) ++. Any more questions? Janney/Quintal for Adam Oates (Blues). ++. Janney is an enormous talent and a personable guy, the the Bruins play in Adam's Division. Enough said? So,even if you count the Esposito/Vadnais/Ratelle/Park/I don't remember who else (Joe Zanussi?) trade as a double minus, Harry the Horse trader comes out on top. I submit that the Bruins are always good because of Harry, not in spite of him. BTW, do you really think the Habs will bounce back next season. I'll bet they finish fourth or fifth in the Conference, behind any of the following: Pittsburgh, Quebec, Boston, Washington, Islanders. Someone correct me if these five teams will not be in Montreal's conference. In summary, things look bleak for the Habs, at least in the near future. I suspect that the next team from La Belle Province to win the Cup will be that team that Lindros didn't want to play for. >I admit that I've been suffering lately with the Boston gets hot while >Montreal swans in the playoffs type years. But I **do** have the sure >knowledge that the Montreal braintrust will keep plugging away until >they hit the right formula for yet another cup. Whereas if I were a >Boston fan, I'd have this kind of despair that as long as Harry Sinden >is running the show, the Bruins will always be good but **never** >good enough. > >- Jack -- Dan Lyddy daniell@cory.berkeley.edu University of California at Berkeley My Two Favorite Hockey Teams: 1) The Boston Bruins 2) Whoever's playing Pittsburgh ";-1;0 "From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) Subject: rec.autos: Frequently Asked Questions Keywords: Monthly Posting Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:03:03 GMT Lines: 251 Archive-name: rec-autos/part4 [this article is one of a pair of articles containing commonly asked automotive questions; the other article contains questions of general consumer interest, and is broken out to facilitate crossposting to misc.consumers -- rpw] [last change: 8 February 1993; CT now permits radar detector usage, new tire-traction q&a -- rpw] Commonly Asked Questions Radar Questions: Q: Where are radar detectors illegal? A: In the US, currently Virgina and the District of Columbia prohibit all usage of radar detectors. New York prohibits their use in large trucks. In Canada, they are illegal in Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland and PEI (Prince Edward Island). They are apparently are illegal through most, if not all, of Europe. Legislation which would make them illegal is pending in many other jurisdictions; chances of such legislation passing varies a great deal. Q: Where are Radar Detector Detectors used? Do they really work? A: Usage is spreading rapidly; initially they were used only in Canada, but now they are appearing in New York and Virginia. It is unsafe to assume that they are not in use in Connecticut and D.C. They work by detecting a certain frequency radiated by many currently available super Het radar detectors; some brands of detector radiate more strongly than others, and are thus more likely to be spotted. New radar detectors are becoming available which may not be detected by the current generation of detector detectors. Note that a detector may only be spotted by one of these devices if it is turned on. Q: What is VASCAR? Is it some kind of Radar? A: VASCAR is nothing more than a fancy stopwatch and time-speed-distance computer. It depends on the operator pressing buttons as the target vehicle passes landmarks. No radar signals are emitted by a VASCAR system. Q: What is Ka band radar? Where is it used? Should a radar detector be able to handle it? A: Ka band has recently been made available by the FCC for use in the US in so-called photo-radar installations. In these installations, a low-powered beam is aimed across the road at a 45 degree angle to the direction of traffic, and a picture is taken of vehicles which the radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit. Tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle. Because of the low power and the 45 degree angle, many people believe that a radar detector cannot give reasonable warning of a Ka band radar unit, although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such capability anyway. The number of locales where photo-radar is in use is limited, and some question the legality of such units. Best advice: learn what photo radar units look like, and keep track of where they are used (or else, don't speed.) Q: Do radar jammers work? Are they legal? A: Quick answer: No, and Not in the USA. Detailed answer: Cheap radar jammers do not work well at all. Jammers that work are expensive and usually the property of the military. Jammers are a major violation of the regulations of the Federal Communications Commission of the USA. Driving technique and Vehicle Dynamics Questions: Q: What are understeer and oversteer? A: Understeer and oversteer are terms describing the behaviour of a car while cornering near the `limit' (limit of adhesion, that is.) Most drivers do not normally drive hard enough for these terms to be descriptive of the situations they encounter. Simply put, they tell whether the car wants to go straight in a corner (steer `less', or `understeer') or it wants to turn more in a corner (`oversteer'.) Understeer is commonly designed into most production cars so that untrained drivers, inadvertantly traveling too fast, won't get into trouble. Understeer may also be induced by using too much throttle in a corner. Oversteer is designed into some more performance oriented cars; it may be induced by lifting on the throttle (Trailing throttle oversteer, or TTO). In extreme cases, lifting on the throttle may induce so much oversteer that the car reacts by fishtailing or spinning. Some technical details: in a corner at speed, the tires on the car will develop what are called `slip angles'; the slip angle is the angular difference between the direction that the car is traveling and the direction that the steering wheel is directing the car to travel. In understeer, the front wheels have a greater slip angle than the rear wheels. In oversteer, the rear wheels have a greater slip angle than the front wheels. Q: What is a rev-matched downshift? A: When downshifting, the engine must be rotating faster in the lower gear than it was in the higher gear. However, during a downshift, normally you declutch and lift your foot from the throttle, so the revs drop rather than increase. In rev-matched downshift, you blip the throttle before re-engaging the clutch so that the engine will already be up to the new speed. This results in a much smoother and faster downshift. Q: What does heel-and-toe mean? A: Heel-and-toe is a technique used to do a rev-matched downshift while braking. This is normally challenging, because you need the right foot for both the brake and throttle. It is called heel-and-toe because you use one end of the foot on the brake, and the other on the throttle to match revs for the downshift. In many modern cars this is a misnomer; often you must use the ball of the foot on the brake and the right side on the throttle. Note that some race car drivers will skip the clutch, and just use the left foot on the brake and the right foot on the throttle, accomplishing the same thing. Q: What is double-clutch downshifting? A: While your right foot is doing the above, your left foot can do one of three things: nothing, declutch once, or declutch twice. The reason for declutching twice is to match the speeds of the two shafts in the transmission to the speed of the engine. This is usually coupled with rev-matching, so that while the engine is in neutral and the clutch engaged, the throttle is blipped and both shafts of the transmission speed up. The procedure is as follows: (0) declutch (1) move gearshift lever to neutral (2) engage clutch (3) match revs (4) declutch (5) move gearshift lever to next lower gear (6) engage clutch This sounds like a lot of work, but with practice it becomes natural. The problem that double-clutching solves is normally the function of the synchronizers within the gearbox. In transmissions without synchros or with very worn synchros, double-clutching makes it much easier to shift. Basically, if you double-clutch well, you are not using the synchros at all. This is generally unnecessary on street cars with synchros in good condition. Q: What do the numbers for acceleration from 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad, and slalom times in the Auto Magazines really mean? May they be compared? A: In short, 1) not as much as the magazines want you to believe, and 2) almost never. In more detail: the acceleration numbers (0-60mph and 1/4 mile times in the US) may be vaguely compared as long as they all come from the same source. Testing procedures vary so much from magazine to magazine that comparing a Road & Track number to a Car & Driver number is quite pointless. Keep in mind, too, that the same variation applies from driver to driver on the street; the driver is a major (often *the* major) part of the equation. Skidpads vary, and even if they didn't, skidpad figures are really only tests of the stickiness of the stock tires; they change radically when tire compounds change. DO NOT make any assumptions about the comparative handling of, say, two sports sedans based on skidpad numbers. This is not to suggest that skidpads are without value, however. Skidpads are an excellent educational tool at driving schools. They are simply of limited value in the comparison of anything except tires. Slalom times are slightly more useful; they test some small parts of the automobile's transient response. However, they are also heavily influenced by the stock rubber on the car, and they do not test many corners of the car's envelope. They DO NOT tell you all you need to know before making a buying decision. For example, they don't tell you what the rear end of the car will do on a road which suddenly goes off-camber. When a car has an adjustable suspension, these tests are usually done in the `sport' setting, which may be quite unsuitable for daily driving. The list of caveats could go on for page after page. Q: My buddy claims that wide tires don't make any difference, according to his freshman physics textbook, and that you can't ever accelerate or corner at more than 1.0G. Does he know what he's talking about? A: 1) in short: he hasn't got a clue. 2) in more detail: the equations for friction used in freshman physics textbooks presume that the surfaces are smooth, dry and non-deformable, none of which properly apply to tire traction except in the case of a stone cold tire on dry pavement which is far below its proper operating temperature. Pavement is _never_ smooth; it is always irregular to a greater or lesser extent. Tires, which are not really dry and solid (as rubber is a substance which in its natural form is liquid, and which has only been coerced into a semblance of solidity by chemical magic), deform to match the surface of the pavement which a vehicle is traveling over. In a tire at operating temperature, grip is actually generated by shear stresses inside the deformed rubber, and not by anything even remotely resembling friction in the freshman physics sense of the term. The colder a tire is relative to its operating temperature, the closer its behaviour will be to the traditional concept of friction; if much hotter than the its proper operating temperature, the more likely the possibility of some part of the tire actually ``reverting'' to liquid, which is mostly like to happen deep in the tread, causing characteristic blisters and chunking. (This latter, though, is almost completely unlikely to happen in normal street driving, so unless you're a competition driver or do a lot of high speed track driving, don't worry about it.) Because tire traction is completely out of the domain of simple friction, it does not obey the freshman physics equation at all; thus dragsters accelerate at more than 1.0G and race cars corner and brake at more than 1.0G. Because simple friction does not apply, it is actually possible for different sized contact patches to generate differing amounts of grip. An actual analysis of tire behavior would require techniques such as Finite Element Analysis, due to the complexity of the mechanism. Misc. Questions: Q: What does stand for? A: Here is a list of some of the names which are commonly asked about; be careful in soliciting the meanings of other names as misinformation abounds on the net. In particular, NEVER ask in rec.humor if you want a useful result. Saab: Svenska Aeroplan A. B., or The Swedish Airplane Corporation Alfa: Societa Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili, or The Lombardy Automobile Manufacturing Company Fiat: Fabbrica Italiana di Automobili Torino, or The Italian Automobile Manufacturers of Turin BMW: Bayerische Motoren Werke, or Bavarian Motor Works MG: Morris Garage Q: Does VW own Porsche? A: No. Porsche is a publicly held company, controlled by the Porsche and Piech families. Porsche has extensive business dealings with VW/Audi, which causes some confusion. Since currently Porsche is in some financial difficulty, there is a possibility that Mercedes or VW may be interested in purchasing the company in the near future, but this is only speculation at this time. -- richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith ";-1;0 "From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan S. Yigit) Subject: Re: Turkish Government Agents on UseNet Lie Through Their Teeth! In-Reply-To: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20: 45:12 GMT Organization: York U. Student Information Systems Project Lines: 15 Davidian-babble: >The Turkish government feels it can funnel a heightened state of ultra- >nationalism existing in Turkey today onto UseNet and convince people via its >revisionist, myopic, and incidental view of themselves and their place in the >world. Turkish government on usenet? How long are you going to keep repeating this utterly idiotic [and increasingly saddening] drivel? oz --- life of a people is a sea, and those that look at it from the shore cannot know its depths. -Armenian proverb ";-1;0 "From: lsacks@angelo.amd.com (Larry Sacks) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Lines: 29 jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >You are loosing. [stuff deleted] >Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will >be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... Really? How do you avoid situations which encourage criminals? I'd really like to know. Would you, say, prohibit female college students from riding their bicycles near the university during the daytime? Sounds a bit drastic, doesn't it? Especially when the university is locatd in a nice residential area. A friend of mine was attacked and nearly raped in just this situation. The police didn't feel she was in a situation which 'encouraged criminals'. What do you think? Should we just tell her, that it was her fault for daring to ride a bicycle in the middle of the day? That she didn't avoid a situation that encouraged criminals? If that's the case, then we'd all better put bars on our doors and windows and pray for a police state to keep us all safe. Crime happens in all situations - there are no defined areas that criminals avoid. Larry Sacks Advanced Micro Devices lsacks@angelo.amd.com ";-1;0 "From: mlogan@thurman.prime.com (Max Logan x2313 5-1) Subject: Re: New Home for the Bosox!!! Lines: 20 MIF101@psuvm.psu.edu writes: > > I heard about a month back that the Red Sox are getting a new dome stadium. > I have relatives that just moved up that way, and they said about the city > releasing the funds. Can anybody verify this? > to a game > > Bosox fan in Pa I have lived in the Boston area for 15 years now. They have been talking about a new Boston Garden (hockey/basketball) since I've lived here. One day the ""last hurdle"" has been overcome, and the next day there's a new hurdle. Fans have been grumbling about Foxboro Stadium (or whatever it's called this year) for nearly as long, but there are only preliminary proposals for a new stadium. Local politics prevents anything from being done in a timely fashion. There will not be a new ballpark in my lifetime. Max Logan Nashua NH ";-1;0 "From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: Nuclear/heavy weapons and the Militia [Long] Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 194 fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: Down to 170-some odd lines. We must be making progress! On an ironic note, where I deleted lines Emacs continually gave me the message ""Garbage collecting... Done."" Think it's trying to tell me something? >viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: >And thank you: It's a great change from the same tired old debates... You lurkers can join in at any time, you know! Ahhh.. Talk.politics.guns -- the kindler, gentler newsgroup. Who would have thought? >No, not exactly: The only reason for this sort of restriction is >the possible endangerment of others. A poorly maintained >rifle is dangerous, but only to the user; since it doesn't >endanger others, there is no justification for such restrictions. I remind you of shrapnel. I consider 5' a reasonable space limitation, but make no mistake a gun blowing up is a hazard to those nearby, say in the next lane at the range. My point was at what distance, or level of threat, we draw the line. Is it the endangerment of others, so we do a 5' restriction, or the possibility of being shot, hence we draw a 1.5 mile restriction, or a nuke and draw a 5 mile restriction? To me they al suffer from the fundamental flaw that they restrict based upon the instrument rather than placing the responsibility for usage squarely upon the shoulders of the user. Perhaps Sen. Metzenbaum declaring the Barrett Light Fifty an assault rifle has made this more apparent to me, since the Barrett has only range and acurracy going for it. >They have determined that their lives are worth the effort to >protect their homes and families. Using nuclear weapons close >to home will not accomplish this. I disagree, on the grounds that a house can be rebuilt much more easily than my family once I have died. I assume that word would get to the citizens that such an attack was planned. If this is not the case, the tactical and strategic implications change quite a bit. Personally, my home is worth, say, twenty Martians intent on taking over the world. My family? All of them. The balancing act here is hard to judge sitting at my desk. >There is, however, another problem: In any case of civil war, >the strength of the militias fighting on each side should >reflect the popular will. If the public is split 67% versus >33%, then the minorities' militias should be at a 2:1 disadvantage. >Such a need for popular support would, hopefully, prevent >insurrections unless the people really were behind the rebels. >But heavy weapons owned by a small fraction of the militia >could distort this: What if the 33% minority included all the >tank and artillery owners? That seems to be the case already, given that heavy weapons aren't commonly owned by the citizenry. With such low numbers, obviously due to cost, I don't think the superior weapons are going to be of great effect against a numerically superior foe. Furthermore, it is even more doubtful their training includes proper tactical movements that best utilize tanks, whereas the commonly rifleman is not so hampered in effectiveness. >I think it is vital to avoid such a situation, where a small >minority would have a reasonable chance of gaining political power >through violence. To prevent this, it may be necessary to give >control of heavy weapons (e.g. those which only a small number >of individuals would own _and_ whose firepower would grossly >distort the relation between popular support and military >strength) to someone other that individual militiamen. This is >certainly not a good thing, but I think it is the lesser of two evils. >Whoever controls these weapons must be a democratic body, >responsive to the will of the people. I had envisioned that the armorer, perhaps the officers of a select group, and the like would exercise control over the heavier, more complex weapons. But, if Joe Bob owns an old Sherman tank I certainly wouldn't ask him to give it up. Follow orders from the officers, yes. Since the expense of a tank is so large, though, chances are it would be jointly purchased and should therefore be jointly maintained and operated. >Here, I think we have to be carefull about _which_ ""state"" we >are talking about: Certainly one role of the militia is to >overthrow a repressive government, and it would be completely >destructive to that end for that same government to control >the militia's arms. But the United States have several levels >of government, each able to act independently, but not all >likely targets of rebelion. >As such, rebelions against state and >local governments are very unlikely. I think, therefore, that the >state (or possibly local) governments could safely be allowed to >keep the select militia's heavy weapons. The risk of abuse, while >still something to consider, is far less than the similar risk >were the federal government in control. This I'll agree with to a point. The State having control over the heavy weapons should not be justification for the state to have them centrally located. Keep them spread out, such that the ability of the State to lock them up isn't so easy. Otherwise, I would have to assume that State control would rest on the authority of the Governor and militia officers. >That is eaxctly why I think they should be removed: The select >militia should privide the militia's heavy weapons and highly-trained >specialists. For the reasons I have outlines above, I think >these heavy weapons (tanks, artillery, aircraft, etc...) are >better off being kept by local governments than by a small >number of individuals. However, local governments shouldn't >be able to use the select militia without the support to the >people. Ideally, the general militia, under the direct >control of the people, and the select militia, under the direction >of democratic, local governments, would opperate together. >But even in the worst case, the general militia should be able >to functional without the select militia. Similarly, the >select militia should be incapable of action without the >aid of the general militia. I'm having a hard time seeing how these heavy weapons, fairly few in numbers, could not be easily wielded by a few people with government support. Just as you argued above that the weapons should be divvied up and under democratic control so one side doesn't have all of them, I can't see where this situation is alleviated in having the select militia holding all the weapons and the unorganized militia being the infantry. I think a better mix is called for. But, I would argue that the Federal army should rely upon the select militia and the unorganized militia for the bulk of its infantry units. >Consider, then, the effect of removing the National Guard's >infantry and placing the Guard under the control of local >governments. The government-controled select militia could >not fight effectively without infantry support provided by >the general militia (an inherently infantry organization.) >On the other hand, the general militia could function (although >at a disadvantage) without the backing of local governments and >the select militia. We have to assume that there would be those who would side with the government-controlled forces, and if they've all the equipment an infantry force 3x the size would be in trouble. I'd like to see that heavy stuff, say tanks, offset by the local troups having a few 105's and anti-tank weapons in their armory. These would be much more useful to infantry than the tank would be when cost and training requirements are figured in. I suppose I'm quibbling over what constitutes heavy equipment. >>...but a mechanized infantry unit is what builds >>dikes in times of flood, sets up disaster relief cities, and >>the like. > >I would much rather see these things handled by the local, >general militias. So would I, but the resources often aren't available to outfit local units well enough. Thus, we will certainly have to call in others, and a mechanized unit carries more stuff faster than anything else. >Perhaps the National Guard isn't as close to my conception of >the select militia as I thought: I was considering them to >be the heavy weapons/armor arm of the militia, not the infantry >arm of the regular army. Perhaps our ideas of heavy weapons are different? I think main battle tanks, self-propelled artillery, and 155mm and up field pieces are heavy stuff. M113 troop carriers, 2 1/2 ton trucks, HumVee's, old M60 tanks, 105 Howitzers, are more the stuff of a mechanized infantry. Actually, this is what the Guard units in Iowa are currently fielding in some units. Perhaps it is just my innate fear of having the real heavy equipment under State control, with little but numbers and light stuff to act as a deterrent. Allowing main battle tanks to the states should be balanced with anti-tank capability in the local ranks. Similarly, local units would need to band together quickly, hence small and fast response means mechanized infantry. Finally, the militia is more than just fighting. Equipment is needed for other responses. The Federal army, I'm convinced, should have a very minumum of infantry, relying on the state and local militias for these functions. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > ";-1;0 "From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes: >( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. ) I should >be road legal tomorrow. I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about >the transmission and taking my chances. There should be no worries about the trans. >Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull >info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number, >but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-). Does this count? $ cat dod.faq | mailx -s ""HAHAHHA"" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press return...) Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. ";-1;0 "Organization: City University of New York From: Subject: UNITED NATIONS : Gettin' busy Lines: 4 Chapter 7 operation in Somlia. Almost Chapter 7 in Cambodia and Yugo. 'Bout time the UN started using force to make the peace happen. Hopefully, they will soon be doing the same with world economics. ";-1;0 "From: young@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (YOUNG Shio Hong) Subject: Looking for Dr. Bala R. Vatti's email address Nntp-Posting-Host: rabbit-gw Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Univ. of Tokyo, Japan. Distribution: comp.graphics X-Bytes: 660 Lines: 27 Hi! I am looking for the email address of the author to ""A Generic Solution to Polygon Clipping"", Communication of the ACM, July 1992, Vol. 35, No. 7. I got information about the author as follows Mr. Bala R. Vatti LCEC, 65 River Road, Hudson, N.H. 03051 email: vatti@waynar.lcec.lockheed I want to get some related and detailed papers about the same topic from the author. But I failed to send my email to the address. Any information is appreciated. Thank you very much. Best regards. S. H. Young Kunii Lab Dept. of Information Science Faculty of Science University of Tokyo Bunkyo-Ku, Hongo 7-3-1 113 Tokyo, Japan email: young@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: DESIGNATED HITTER RULE From: holsend@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu Reply-To: holsend@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu Organization: Moorhead State University, Moorhead, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.29.97.2 Lines: 14 In article , ekdfc@ttacs1.ttu.edu (David Coons) writes: >In article <1993Apr4.221228.17577@bsu-ucs> 00ecgillespi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu >writes: >>I AM DOING A POSTITION PAPER ON THE DESIGNATED HITTER RULE. ANY INFORMATION >>OR EVEN OPINIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECITATED. 00ECGILLESPIE ""MAGIC"" > >Should be rescinded. The rules say baseball is a game between two teams of >nine players each. Let's keep it that way. Last weeks Sports Illustrated has a couple of big articles on the designated hitter. It is the 1993 baseball issue. Th is weeks Sports Illustrated ";-1;0 "From: sivap-s@cs.buffalo.edu (S. Suresh) Subject: Re: screen problem in unix/xwindows/solaris Organization: UB Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: talos.cs.buffalo.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] SHONKWILER R W (ma201rs@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote: : Experiment: From a Sun openwindows 4.1.3 xterm window log into a : Solaris 2.x machine using rlogin; now do an ""ls"" and get the first : character of each line display in the last column of the display : with the rest of the line wrapped to the next line of the display. : Log out and the condition persists. Check stty all, try reset : with no effect. The condition happens when the TAB is not set to 8 spaces, set and then check out. -- Suresh Sivaprakasam Department of Computer Science, SUNY Buffalo, Amherst, NY - 14260-0001 Internet :sivap-s@cs.Buffalo.EDU Bitnet : sivap-s@SUNYBCS.BITNET ";-1;0 "From: dgf1@quads.uchicago.edu (David Farley) Subject: Re: Photoshop for Windows Reply-To: dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 25 In article beaver@rot.qc.ca (Andre Boivert) writes: > > >I am looking for comments from people who have used/heard about PhotoShop >for Windows. Is it good? How does it compare to the Mac version? Is there >a lot of bugs (I heard the Windows version needs ""fine-tuning)? > >Any comments would be greatly appreciated.. > >Thank you. > >Andre Boisvert >beaver@rot.qc.ca > An review of both the Mac and Windows versions in either PC Week or Info World this week, said that the Windows version was considerably slower than the Mac. A more useful comparison would have been between PhotoStyler and PhotoShop for Windows. David -- David Farley The University of Chicago Library 312 702-3426 1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210 dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Chicago, Illinois 60637 ";-1;0 "From: vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 72 In article caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes: >vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: >>In article caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes: >> > ... >> > >> >Are all truths also absolutes? >> >Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)? >> > >> >If the answer to either of these questions is no, then perhaps you can >> >explain to me how you determine which parts of Scripture are truths, and >> >which truths are absolutes. >> >> The answer to both questions is yes. > >Perhaps we have different definitions of absolute then. To me, >an absolute is something that is constant across time, culture, >situations, etc. True in every instance possible. Do you agree >with this definition? I think you do: > >> Similarly, all truth is absolute. Indeed, a non-absolute truth is a >> contradiction in terms. When is something absolute? When it is always >> true. Obviously, if a ""truth"" is not always ""true"" then we have a >> contradiction in terms. Yes, I do agree with your definition. My use of the term ""always"" is rather deceptive, I admit. >A simple example: > >In the New Testament (sorry I don't have a Bible at work, and can't >provide a reference), women are instructed to be silent and cover >their heads in church. Now, this is scripture. By your definition, >this is truth and therefore absolute. Hold it. I said that all of scripture is true. However, discerning exactly what Jesus, Paul and company were trying to say is not always so easy. I don't believe that Paul was trying to say that all women should behave that way. Rather, he was trying to say that under the circumstances at the time, the women he was speaking to would best avoid volubility and cover their heads. This has to do with maintaining a proper witness toward others. Remember that any number of relativistic statements can be derived from absolutes. For instance, it is absolutely right for Christians to strive for peace. However, this does not rule out trying to maintain world peace by resorting to violence on occasion. (Yes, my opinion.) >Evangelicals are clearly not taking this particular part of scripture >to be absolute truth. (And there are plenty of other examples.) >Can you reconcile this? Sure. The Bible preaches absolute truths. However, exactly what those truths are is sometimes a matter of confusion. As I said, the Bible does preach absolute truths. Sometimes those fundamental principles are crystal clear (at least to evangelicals). Sometimes they are not so clear to everyone (e.g. should baptism be by full immersion or not, etc). That is largely because sometimes, it is not explicitly spelled out whether the writers are speaking to a particular culture or to Christianity as a whole. This is where scholarship and the study of Biblical contexts comes in. >It's very difficult to see how you can claim something which is based >on your own *interpretation* is absolute. God revealed his Truths to the world, through His Word. It is utterly unavoidable, however, that some people whill come up with alternate interpretations. Practically anything can be misinterpreted, especially when it comes to matters of right and wrong. Care to deny that? -- Virgilio ""Dean"" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee ""Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"" | My boss is a ""Not very well. He doesn't look like one at all!"" | Jewish carpenter. ";-1;0 "From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 18 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes: |> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of |> doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading |> this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 |> different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts |> a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum |> for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? |> Just curious. |> |> |> Daemon |> I agree with you. Of cause I'll try to be a daemon :-) Yeh USC ";-1;0 "From: rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard) Subject: Re: does dos6 defragment?? Article-I.D.: news.C51H9M.46p Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 12 Geoffrey S. Elbo writes: >Yes, and it is the fastest defrag I've ever watched. It did a 170MB >hard disk in 20 minutes. I found the MS defrag looks very much like Norton Speedisk. Is it just a strip-down version of the later? I have both Norton Speedisk and Backup, so I was wondering if I need to install MS Backup? Richard ";-1;0 "From: pest@konech.UUCP (Wolfgang Pest) Subject: Speedstar 24 - how to program the TrueColor mode ? Distribution: world Organization: Kontron Elektronik GmbH Eching, Germany Lines: 17 Hello, I purchased my new 486 with a NoName graphics card installed which is obviously Speedstar 24 compatible. Its name is ""VGA 4000 TrueColor"". It is accompanied with some drivers and the utilities VMODE, XMODE and at least one more MODE, as well as some drivers for Lotus, Windows, etc. Only one of the drivers is told to provide the TrueColor mode, namely the Windows 3.1 driver. Nowhere else, except in the ad, is any pointer to the TrueColor mode. Some articles in this group about the Speedstar 24 and some other facts made me believe that my card is compatible to that one. Does anybody out there know how this mode can be adjusted? How can I write a driver which allows me to have 16.7 millions of colors with a resolution of 640 x 480 with 45 Hz interlaced ? Greetings, Wolfgang ";-1;0 "From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) Subject: Re: LC III NuBus Capable? Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info Lines: 12 mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes: >My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is >such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? CompUsa and >ComputerCity Supercenter says they don't carry them. >Does this mean LC III is incapable of carrying a NuBus board? Yes. That is exactly what it means. The LC family of Macs can only use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus. -Hades ";-1;0 "From: bryan@philips.oz.au (Bryan Ryan) Organization: Philips Public Telecommunications Systems, Melbourne, Australia Subject: Re: RAMs &ROMs with ALE latches (for 8051's) Lines: 28 spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: >In article <1qg98sINNokf@sheoak.ucnv.edu.au> jeff@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (j. pethybridge) writes: >> Hello again, >> I asked this a year ago, but i am still looking. >> I am getting sick of having to use a HC373 >Jeff, just use the damned 373. Sure, there are oddball >latched memory chips, but do you really want to use them? >Sorry if I'm pedantic but: design your circuit using >reasonably available parts, and move on to more important >problems. We're looking at a series of chips by WSI, the PSD3xx series. They have _mega_ address decoding logic on them, various ROM sizes (upto 1Mbit), various RAM sizes (upto 16 K), and 19 I/O ports which can be chip select lines, I/O or the buffered address lines. Cute chip, 44 pin PLCC package. Second sourcing may be a problem though :-( Bryan Ryan, VK3TKX Melbourne, Australia bryan@philips.oz.au ";11;1 "From: rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher) Subject: PC Syquest on a Mac?? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Is it possible, ie via creative cable splicing or whatever, to hook a Syquest 44MB removable drive to a Mac? Is there any difference with the guts of the drive or is it just cable differences? Thanks. Rob -- Rob Sprecher rcs8@po.cwru.edu ";0;1 "From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Article-I.D.: mksol.1993Apr22.204742.10671 Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 62 In hoover@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes: >In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au >(Enzo Liguori) writes: >> hideous vision of the future. Observers were >>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the >>pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the >This is ok in my opinion as long as the stuff *returns to earth*. >>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize >>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. >If this turns out to be true, it's time to get seriously active in >terrorism. This is unbelievable! Who do those people think they are, >selling every bit that promises to make money? Well, I guess I'm left wondering just who all the 'light fascists' think *they* are. Yes, I understand the issues. I don't even particularly care for the idea. But am I the only one that finds the sort of overreaction above just a *little* questionable? You must find things like the Moon *really* obnoxious in their pollution. A few questions for those frothing at the mouth to ask themselves: 1) How long is this thing supposed to stay up? Sounds like it would have a *huge* drag area, not a lot of mass, and be in a fairly low orbit. 2) Just what orbital parameters are we talking about here? What real impact are we talking about, really? How many optical astronomers are *really* going to be impacted? 3) Which is more important; adding a few extra days of 'seeing' for (very few) optical astronomers or getting the data the sensors are supposed to return along with the data for large inflatables (and the potential there for an inflatable space station)? The choice would seem to be one or the other, since the advertising is being used to help fund this thing. 4) If your answer to 3) above was ""the astronomers"", then feel free to come up with some other way to fund the (to my mind) more important research data that would be gained by this WITHOUT SPENDING ANY MORE OF MY MONEY TO DO IT. In other words, put up or shut up. >I guess we really >deserve being wiped out by uv radiation, folks. ""Stupidity wins"". I >guess that's true, and if only by pure numbers. Probably so. I'm just not sure we agree about who the 'stupid' are. > Another depressed planetary citizen, > hoover Yeah, me too. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. ";-1;0 "From: William_Mosco@vos.stratus.com Subject: RE: Blast them next time Organization: Stratus Computer, Marlboro Ma. Lines: 29 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: hudm4-enet.mfg.stratus.com > #DELETED BECAUSE IT SOUNDS TWISTED"" >With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed >more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is >the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look >at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country >of ours. ##flame thrower on## Well I don't want my tax dollars going to that kind of philosophy. maybe if the good folks you are talking about are people like you than I might be inclined to accept it. What does the batf do anyway? Why don't we have a bureau for militant, paranoid, freedom killers like yourself. People like you are more dangerous than alcohol, tobacco and firearms. >With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with >mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few >women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn >to death 51 days later. Maybe we should just have nuked the whole city, I mean, what's a 100,000 good souls anyway? Get real, you sound like a racist. I guess life isn't so precious to you, do you realize that there were 24 children KILLED!!! They will never get to fall in love, they won't see another sunrise, no prom, no first date, no football, baseball no NOTHING. Why doesn't some people think first before they let everyone know how narrow they are. ""Flame thrower off"" ";3;1 "From: thor@surt.atd.ucar.edu (Richard E. Neitzel) Subject: XQueryBestCursor semi-broken? Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research Lines: 18 Some one asked me recently why they when they used XQueryBestCursor to see if they could create of a given size it seemed to imply they could, but the server did not create cursors of that size. Investigation showed that some X servers will happily return any size up to the size of the root window, while others return some fixed limit of more reasonable size. The interesting thing to me is that the same server binary acts differently on different hardware - a Sun4 with a cg2 will claim cursors up to root window size are OK, while a Sun4 with a cg6 will stop at 32x32. So far I've also seen this behavior on NCD and Phase-X X terminals and have been told it also occurs on HPs. Actually, the NCD is even more liberal - sizes much larger then the root winodw are gladly returned as OK. Is XQueryBestCursor semi-broken or is this behavior correct? I'd really like to see a 2000x2000 cursor! -- Richard Neitzel thor@thor.atd.ucar.edu Torren med sitt skjegg National Center For Atmospheric Research lokkar borni under sole-vegg Box 3000 Boulder, CO 80307-3000 Gjo'i med sitt shinn 303-497-2057 jagar borni inn. ";-1;0 "From: fwr8bv@fin.af.MIL (Shash Chatterjee) Subject: xrolo/SPACRC/SunOS4.1.1/audio Organization: The Internet Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert%expo.lcs.mit.edu@fin.lcs.mit.edu Could some one please send me (or tell me where to ftp from) the patches required for xrolo so that I can compile-in the SPARCStation phone-dialing feature? I am using SunOS 4.1.1, and therefore don't have ""multimedia/libaudio.h"" or ""multimedia/audio_device.h"" and associated functions. Just in case, our mail gateway only accepts msgs < 45Kb. Thanks in advance, Shash. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Shash Chatterjee EMAIL: fwr8bv@fin.af.mil + + EC Software PHONE: (817) 763-1495 + + Lockheed Fort Worth Company FAX: (817) 777-2115 + + P.O. Box 748, MZ1719 + + Ft. Worth, TX 76101 + +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) Subject: Re: Clinton Boost in Spy Spending Article-I.D.: qualcom.rdippold.735040094 Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA Lines: 23 Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com Right on the heels of the Clinton ""registered encryption key"" debacle comes: sphughes@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Shaun P. Hughes) writes: >[From yesterdays S.F. Chronicle] >""President Clinton has asked Congress for authority to spend more money >on spy agencies, satellites and other intelligence activities in fiscal >1994 than it allotted for 1993, congressional and administration >officials say. "" >.... Clinton had promised to slash intelligence spending by $7 billion >over four years. >.... Although the size of the nations' vast intelligence budget remains >an official secret, administration and congressional officials disclosed >yesterday that it would total about $28 billion if the increase >requested by Clinton is approved. Wonder how much of that extra money goes into coming up with encryption schemes they can easily crack? -- The Theorem Theorem: If if, then then ";-1;0 "From: reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) Subject: Re: Cell Church discussion group Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 18 jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) writes: >Please, define cell church. I missed it somewhere in the past when this >was brought up before. In a cell church, the fundamental building block is the ""cell group"" -- a small group of no more than 15 believers. The small groups are responsible for the ministry of the church: evangelism and discipleship. The emphasis is on relationships, not on programs, and both the evangelism and the discipling are relationship-based. This will probably raise more questions than it answered, but that's it in a nutshell. -- ****************************************************************** * Jon Reid * He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep * * reid@cs.uiuc.edu * to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot * ****************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr16.105738.20864@hippo.ru.ac.za> webb@itu1 (90-29265 Webber AH) writes: > ...stuff deleted... > >I was also sceptical about the amps being built in the far-east > or where-ever. But if you look in the amp and see what components > they use and how it was designed, you can easily see why the > amplifiers sound so brilliant. Good point...also, I wouldn't be surprised that the components they use off-shore are of inferior quality. As long as it was properly designed and robust, premium components are used, it shouldn't matter where it is assembled. >I cannot see why people say the amplifier won't last - not with > those quality components inside. Sure the amp runs very fairly > hot - but that's how you get an amp to sound incredibly good. An amp that runs hot has no bearing on how it's gonna sound. The amp you have probably is running Class-A the whole day. Actually, I'd be wary of excessively hot amps, 'cauz even though the components inside may be rated to run that way, excessive heat will dramatically shorten the life of *any* electronic component regardless of quality. In fact, an amp that does run hot to the touch is because either the engineer or manufacturer of that amp wanted to skimp on heatsinking or cooling to save costs! Hmmmmm.... aaron . ";-1;0 "From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: Wings will win Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 25 In article 735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: >I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they >face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters >are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM >I have ever seen in hockey How do you figure that?? When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were a pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked unlikely to win it. Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for the Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it. A truly great GM would have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon of the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup. A good GM (like Murray) can maintain the team's success but can't push them to the next level. In the history of hockey there have been several better GM's than Murray- way too many to name. Murray isn't even the best GM in the league today. He fails in comparison to Sinden, Sather, Savard, Caron, Fletcher and Quinn in my estimation. I can't imagine how Bryan Murray can be the best GM anyone has ever seen in hockey- unless they have seen VERY few GM's. Gregmeister ";-1;0 "From: U09579@uicvm.uic.edu Subject: 1989 Honda CRX for sale Article-I.D.: uicvm.93096.123925U09579 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Lines: 12 My friend, David Gordon wants to sell his 1989 Honda. Some of the details of th e car are as follows: Five speed A/c, AM/FM/Cassette stereo ps/pb Rear window defroster EXCELLENT CONDITION Asking 6400.00 OBO. Please call him at (708) 257-0518. ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: seizures ( infantile spasms ) Keywords: seizures epilepsy Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr20.184034.13779@dbased.nuo.dec.com> dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD) writes: > >If anyone knows of any database or newsgroup or as I mentioned up above, >any information relating to this disorder I would sure appreciate hearing >from you. I am not trying to play doctor here, but only trying to gather >information about it. As I know now, these particular types of disorders >are still not really well understood by the medical community, and so I'm >going to see now....if somehow the internet can at least give me alittle >insight. Thanks. There is no database for infantile spasms, nor a newsgroup, that I know of. The medical library will be the best source of information for you. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mrl@pfc.mit.edu (Mark London) Subject: Corneal erosion/abrasions. Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: nerus.pfc.mit.edu For several years I have been dealing with reccurring corneal erosion. There does not seem to be much known about the cause of such a problem. My current episode is pretty bad since it is located in the middle of the cornea. If it's bad enough, the usual treatment for it is puncture therapy. However, my doctor this time is trying to let it heal by itself by putting a contact lens to protect the area. Apparently the problem is not that common, but I'd be curious if anyone else out there has a similar problem, perhaps to see if a cause can be found. Mark London MRL@NERUS.PFC.MIT.EDU ";4;1 "From: ""James J. Murawski"" Subject: Re: Don Cherry - Coach's Corner summary - April 19, 1993 Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: On 20-Apr-93 in Don Cherry - Coach's Corner.. user Allan Sullivan@cs.UAlber writes: >Next, a clip was shown from an earlier episode, in which Don was >proclaiming Doug Gilmour to be the best player, not only in >the NHL, but in the world. What about players like Lemieux? >Don said that Gilmour was the best PLAYER, not ""Designated point getter"". >Its not like baseball, where you have a ""designatted hitter"" who >can score runs but can't play defense. Gilmour is a good two way player. This clip was shown on local news in Pittsburgh last night (KDKA), complete with animated sarcasm by the sportscaster. It's the second time Cherry has been shown on local Pittsburgh news in the last couple of weeks. Both times he was blasting Lemieux. ==================================================================== Jim Murawski Sr. Software Engineer (412) 268-2650 [office] Administrative Computing and (412) 268-6868 [fax] Information Services jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon University Office: UCC 155 4910 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 ""Le Mieux! Le Magnifique! Soixante Six! Claude...NON!"" There are 1371 days until Clinton (Clinocchio) leaves office (1370 too many). ";-1;0 "From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) Subject: Re: Exploding TV! Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu Others said: # >... Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke? Naw, it was the penguin on TOP of the set that exploded... ;-} -- A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu & no one will talk to a host that's close............(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 ";-1;0 "From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: etymology of ""Easter"" Lines: 53 for SRC In most languages, the Feast of the Resurrection of Our Lord is known as the PASCH, or PASQUE, or some variation thereof, a word which comes from the Hebrew PESACH, meaning ""Passover."" In English, German, and a few related languages, however, it is known as EASTER, or some variation thereof, and questions have been asked about the origin of this term. One explanation is that given by the Venerable Bede in his DE RATIONE TEMPORUM 1:5, where he derives the word from the name of an Anglo-Saxon goddess of Spring called EASTRE. Bede is a great scholar, and it is natural to take his word for it. But he lived 673-735, and Augustine began preaching in Kent in 597. The use of the word EASTER to describe the Feast would have been well established before the birth of Bede and probably before the birth of anyone he might have discussed the subject with. It seems likely that his derivation is just a guess, based on his awareness that there had been an Anglo-Saxon goddess of Spring bearing that name, and the resemblance of the words. Thus, if the said resemblance (surely it is not surprising that a personification of Spring should have a name similar to the word for Dawn) is not in istelf convincing, the testimony (or rather the conjecture) by Bede does not make it more so. Assuming that Bede was right, that would not justify saying that the Christian celebration (which, after all, had been going on for some centuries before the name EASTER was applied to it) has pagan roots. It would simply mean that the Anglo-Saxons, upon becoming Christians and beginning to celebrate the Resurrection by a festival every spring, called it by the name that to them meant simply ""Spring Festival."" However, Bede's is not the only theory that has been proposed. J Knoblech, in ""Die Sprach,"" ZEITSCHRIFT FUER SPRACHWISSENSCHAFT 5 (Vienna, 1959) 27-45, offers the following derivation: Among Latin-speaking Christians, the week beginning with the Feast of the Resurrection was known as ""hebdomada alba"" (white week), since the newly-baptized Christians were accustomed to wear their white baptismal robes throughout that week. Sometimes the week was referred to simply as ""albae."" Translaters rendering this into German mistook it for the plural of ""alba,"" meaning ""dawn."" They accordingly rendered it as EOSTARUM, which is Old High German for ""dawn."" This gave rise to the form EASTER in English. Yours, James Kiefer [No, I'm not interested in restarting discussions of the propriety of celebrating Easter. However this seems like it contains enough interesting information that people might like to see it. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) Subject: Re: That silly outdated Bill (was Re: Koresh and Miranda) Organization: N/I Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr15.165952.25970@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: >In article <1qibs0$flk@vela.acs.oakland.edu> awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu (awesley) writes: [ ... ] >>Actually, there was only one confirmed sniper to >die< in Detroit, >>according to Sauter & Hines, _Nightmare in Detroit, A Rebellion & It's > >What sources did Sauter and Hines use? In Congressional hearings >later, the newspaper folk admitted that their reports were completely >wrong. (Some of their excuses are understandable, while others amount >to gross negligence. Then there's their ""we lied"".) As far as I >know, they never did the followup. This, BTW, is normal behavior for newsie's. The followup isn't ""news"" ... -------- ""I am pleased to accept Life Membership in the National Rifle Association and extend to your organization every good wish for continued success."" -- President John F. Kennedy, March 20, 1961 ";-1;0 "From: scalawag@carson.u.washington.edu (Keith Frederick) Subject: GRE & GRE Economics Test Books for SALE Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 34 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Summary: GRE,GRE Economics Test Books for SALE GRE Test Aids for Sale --------------------------------- Cliffs GRE Preparation Guide, (c). 1992 3 full length practive tests w/ answers and explanations Also includes test-taking strategies. By the same people who do Cliffs Notes. ---- $5 GRE Economics Test by the Research and Education Association Revised 1990 edition. 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Frederick | Happiness is our moral purpose. | | (206)285-1576 | If you see Dr. Fu Manchu, Kill Him! | | scalawag@carson.u.washington.edu | Reason is our only absolute. | | I'm not a number, I'm a free man!|-------------------------------------| | CIS: 73760,3521 UWID: 8722277 | ::: Cornell here I come!!! ::: | |__________________________________|_____________________________________| ";-1;0 "From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support In article <1qn044$gq5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >I thought that under emergency conditions, the STS can >put down at any good size Airport. IF it could take a C-5 or a >747, then it can take an orbiter. You just need a VOR/TAC > >I don't know if they need ILS. DFW was designed with the STS in mind (which really mean very little). Much of their early PR material had scenes with a shuttle landing and two or three others pulled up to gates. I guess they were trying to stress how advanced the airport was. For Dallas types: Imagine the fit Grapevine and Irving would be having if the shuttle WAS landing at DFW. (For the rest, they are currently having some power struggles between the airport and surrounding cities). -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | ";2;1 "From: osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed Keywords: polygon, needed Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr17.192947.11230@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes: >In article osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes: >>This may be a fairly routine request on here, but I'm looking for a fast >>polygon routine to be used in a 3D game. > > A fast polygon routine to do WHAT? To draw polygons of course. Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, done in C and ASM. I need a faster way to draw concave polygons that the method I have right now, which is very slow. //Lucas. ";-1;0 "From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 32 In article <1r0nov$p3e@access.digex.net> steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) writes: > > 1. American manufacturers peddling Cripple Chips with a secret untested > algorithm whose keys are held by people with a history of untrustworthy > behavoir, or > er, excuse me but since the escrow agencies aren't yet chosen, how can you say they have a ""history of untrustworthy behavoir[sic]""? I'm sure each of us can think of agencies without such a history. Price Waterhouse has kept the secret of the Academy Awards for many years, even in the face of an aggressive press. The Federal Reserve Open Market Committee has successfully kept decisions from leaking for the statutory period until publication. Even the Department of Agriculture has successfully kept crop forecasts from leaking prematurely. Frankly, I'd trust the above (not the D of A, of course since they might be subject to political pressure) far sooner than the ACLU, EFF, or CPSR which, though not exactly government apologists, have no particular track record for internal security that I know of. David -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. ";-1;0 "From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Clarification of personal position Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 26 In article dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: >If it were a sin to violate Sunday no one could >ever be forgiven for that for Jesus never kept Sunday holy. He only >recognized one day of the seven as holy. Jesus also recognized other holy days, like the Passover. Acts 15 says that no more should be layed on the Gentiles than that which is necessary. The sabbath is not in the list, nor do any of the epistles instruct people to keep the 7th day, while Christians were living among people who did not keep the 7th day. It looks like that would have been a problem. Instead, we have Scriptures telling us that all days can be esteemed alike (Romans 14:5) and that no man should judge us in regard to what kind of food we eat, Jewish holy days we keep, or _in regard to the sabbath. (Col. 2.) >The >question is ""On what authority do we proclaim that the requirements of the >fourth commandment are no longer relevant to modern Christians?"" I don't think that the Sabbath, or any other command of the law is totally irrelevant to modern Christians, but what about Collosions 2, where it says that we are not to be judged in regard to the keeping of the sabbath? Link Hudson. ";-1;0 "From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) Subject: Ok, So I was a little hasty... Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu Apparently that last post was a little hasy, since I called around to more places and got quotes for less than 600 and 425. Liability only, of course. Plus, one palced will give me C7C for my car + liab on the bike for only 1350 total, which ain't bad at all. So I won't go with the first place I called, that's fer sure. -- Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | '71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | ==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | ";-1;0 "From: Mamatha Devineni Ratnam Subject: Re: Zane!!Rescue us from Simmons!! Organization: Post Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In my last message, I wrote: **************************************************** 12) Management: BIG BIG ZERO. Sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement in favor of revenue sharing. ****************************************************** I meant argument instead of agreement. Also, I think I should add a coouple of Ted's positive achievements - Smiley trade was good for the pirates. but I think Ted could have gotten someone better than Neagle. Cummings seems to be pretty good. - The Cole trade was excellent. BUt Simmons has botched it up now. -This year's draft seems to have gone well for the PIrates. BUt then they lost 2 high picks in the Bonds fiasco. OH well, I should give up trying to prove that Simmons is not a total idiot. ";-1;0 "From: wiggs@stsci.edu (Michael S. Wiggs) Subject: Ignition kill Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 8 I just wanted to thank all the netters out there who either posted a response or sent e-mail regarding my ignition kill question. Now that I know how simple a procedure it is, it looks like I'll be paying my local Pep Boys a visit this weekend.... -Mik ";-1;0 "From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) Subject: Re: Reasons : was Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Nntp-Posting-Host: tbilisi.src.honeywell.com Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr15.160224.15940@unocal.com> stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: ... >Now, about tough talk and arrogance, we are adults, aren't we ? Do you listen >to tough talk of american politicians ? or switch the channel ? ... I guess, I didn't make my point clear. In the case of Israel government, it is not only tough talk for its intimidation policy. After all, not many people are intimidated just by talking. Here how it goes: tough talks, followed by aggressive actions followed by taking pride of those actions and bragging about them. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Bo was a good player, you shorts (plus idiots) From: guilford@otago.ac.nz <1993Apr5.101636.1@otago.ac.nz> Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand Nntp-Posting-Host: thorin.otago.ac.nz Lines: 106 In article , drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes: > BO JACKSON 1963 > 1988 KCR 437 106 16 4 23 28 29 7 .253 67 .243 .288 .455 > 1989 KCR 517 134 19 5 33 41 27 10 .274 92 .259 .314 .507 > 1990 KCR 405 110 17 1 27 44 16 9 .286 77 .272 .343 .519 > 1991 CWS 71 16 3 0 3 12 0 1 .240 10 .225 .337 .394 > MAJ 1430 366 55 10 86 125 72 27 .270 246 .256 .316 .489 > MAJ 598 153 23 4 36 52 30 11 > > This is what Jackson looked like in 88-91, with everything converted > to a neutral park, on the basis of run production. His equivalent > average started at .253 in 88, was up to .274 in 89 and 286 in 90. So > let us say he had established, in his last two seasons, a .280 level > of play. I'm not quite sure how these numbers are generated. It appears that in a neutral park Bo's HR and slugging tend to drop (he actually loses two home runs). Or do they? What is ""equivalent average?"" One thing, when looking at Bo's stats, is that you can see that KC took away some homers. Normally, you expect some would-be homers to go for doubles or triples in big parks, or to be caught, and for that matter you expect lots of doubles and triples anyway. But Bo, despite his speed, hit very few doubles and not that many triples. So I would expect his value to have risen quite considerably in a neutral park. > That is good. Very good, in fact. But it probably doesn't make the top > ten in the league. The 10th best EQA in the AL in 1992 was Dave > Winfield's .296; Thomas was first at .350. First in the NL was Bonds, > an incroyable .378; tenth was Bip Roberts, .297. But .280 is better > than any season in the past five years by Joe Carter; it is about what > Mattingly had in 1988 (.285); what Felix Jose had the last two years; > just ahead of Time Raines' five-year average; better than Ryan > Klesko's MLEs. Felix Jose has been a .350/.440 player in a fairly neutral park. I would offhand guess the `89-`90 Bo at around a .330/.530 player. Maybe .330/.550 . Not even close. > He got more attention from the media than was warranted from his > baseball playing, though; his hype was a lot better than his hitting. > That is the basis for the net.comments about him being overrated. The > media would have you beleive he was a great hitter. I think he was a > good, maybe very good hitter. He was IMO, something like the 30th best > hitter in the majors. I'd put him about there too. Note: I hadn't realized the media had hyped him so much. I thought he was always viewed by them as a better football player, and only so-so at baseball. He did only have one 30-hr, 100-rbi season, and KC wasn't winning. Note 2: I maybe have harped on this a bit in the past, but there is a mistake being made (by the SDCN's, as they are known, on this group) with respect to players like Bo and Deion and Lofton (and perhaps others). We find, that if you look at a large group of players, their past major and minor league numbers will predict their future numbers fairly well. Their are some caveats: the younger they are, the less good the prediction; the lower the minor league, the less good (I imagine), the more recent the player has left college ball, etc. Now of course, this prediction involves quite a bit of ""error."" Sometimes a player with poor MLE's (Dave Justice, the 1990 Ventura) becomes a star. Some hitters develop (Shane Mack, Brian Downing), some don't (Oddibe McDowell, Mickey Brantley). This error involves real things: there are real reasons why Oddibe didn't hit and Shane did. It may (who knows) involve parks and batting coaches and wheaties and injuries and lifting and so on. But still, you have this big pool of players, and things work pretty well. One of the reasons for these predictions accuracy is the common background of the players. One thing we know about professional baseball players is that all of them (or almost all) have spent a good deal of time playing ball. Their backgrounds are similar. What hasn't been established is what happens when you encounter a player with a different background? Is there some reason to believe that a Bo, or a Deion, or a Lofton, or a Tony Gwynn (?), or an Ainge, or so on, has such a different background, that the standard model and standard assumptions fit this person slowly? It hasn't been established that you can use MLE's with two-sport players. (It hasn't been established that you can't, but then statistics is, after all, an art). I personally think otherwise lucid individuals continually make completely nonsensical statements about Bo and Deion and Lofton. ""Look at those good-but-not-great minor league numbers,"" they say. Well, what happens if those numbers simply don't mean what they usually mean? It might mean that Ken Lofton suddenly has a better year in Houston than Tuscon. It might mean that Deion suddenly has a better half-year in Atlanta than Greenville. Then again, it might not. Ken and Deion might go right back in the tank this year, live up to those poor MLE's. But you guys DON'T KNOW. What's worse, you don't know that you don't. And you don't know that there are other players you won't know about -- injuries and lifting and wheaties again. You seem to think that the model is perfect and eternal. It's not. It's got some error. Oh well. Bill Guilford still thinks ""hairy butt is truly ugly"" might be right ";-1;0 "From: vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) Subject: Flames Truly Brutal in Loss Organization: Carleton University Lines: 28 As the subject suggests the Flames were not impressive this afternoon, dropping a 6-3 decision to the LA Kings. Most of the Flames neglected to show up, especially in their own zone, as the Kings hit at least five posts! The Flames best line was probably Skrudland-Paslawski-Berube (which tells how bad the Flames were). Gary Suter scored a great goal (in fact all three Flame goals were scored by D-men - Yawney and Dahlquist getting the others), but also made some bonehead plays. For the Kings, Pat Conacher was especially impressive. The games was VERY chippy, as Dan Mirouelli lost control early and never recovered it; there were high-sticks, cross-checks, punches, hits from behind. Fleury got a game misconduct for rubbing out Warren Rychel from behind. Flames dominated the game physically, but failed to take advantage due to horrendous defensive lapses (I don't think Vernon can be blamed for any of the goals). Calgary went with 7 D-men, as Roger Johansson played LW; he looked lost IMHO - I hope King inserts Chris Lindbergh, Paul Kruse, or Sergei Makarov for Wednesday's game. Gretzky left the game in the 2nd period with a charley-horse; no idea how serious - he didn't return. I still think the Flames should win this series, but they better buckle down. - Vlad the Impaler ";13;1 "From: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) Subject: Jewish Committee on the Middle East (JCOME) Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University Lines: 34 Distribution: world Reply-To: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.egr.msu.edu I flipped on my local Cable Access Channel (a channel where any community member can broadcast whatever they want for about $50 per half hour) and saw a ""documentary"" (I use this term loosely) on the conflict in the West Bank. It was apparently made with a hand held camcorder (the quality was terrible, and the camera was really jumpy). The documentary (sic) told the tales of all of the children who died in the ""war"" against the Jews as martyrs. It was a regular sob story. One ""victimized youth"" was recounting on how all he ""really"" wants to do is to get an education and that the big bad Jews won't let him go to high school. He admittedly spent 4 years in prison (age 13 to 17) for murdering a Jewish woman but claims that it was ""for the cause."" I have seen this kind of garbage before. I have a lot of sympathy for the Palestinian cause (as do many Jews), but I think that even many Arabs would be ashamed to call this a documentary! The most suprising part is that the only credits shown at the end was an address for the makers of the film named JEWISH COMM. ON THE MIDDLE EAST. Anybody heard of them? They make Peace Now look like right-wingers. Gedaliah Friedenberg -=-Department of Mechanical Engineering -=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science -=-Michigan State University ";-1;0 "From: thssgkg@iitmax.iit.edu (Gulshan K Garg) Subject: Fax Modem Card Wanted Keywords: Fax, Modem Card Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Distribution: chi Lines: 8 I am looking out for an inexpensive fax modem card for PC. If you have one to sell, please e-mail Gulshan Garg thssgkg@iitmax.iit.edu 312/942-1977 (H) ";8;1 "From: mcc@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu (George McClintock) Subject: Re: XDM & DECnet ? In-Reply-To: mahan@TGV.COM's message of 21 Apr 1993 00:59:04 -0400 Organization: Graduate School and University Center, C.U.N.Y, New York Lines: 24 While I cannot answer questions about running XDM over a DECnet, I can say that the following defines must be added to the site.def before building R5 before any X clients will work over a DECnet. From site.def #define ConnectionFlags -DTCPCONN -DUNIXCONN -DDNETCONN #define ExtraLibraries -ldnet Hoping this helps, George -- /******************************************************************* * The opinions expressed are those of the author and in no way * * represent the opinions of the CUNY Graduate School, its agencies * * or personnel. mcc@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu || CMCGC@CUNYVM.BITNET * *******************************************************************/ -- /******************************************************************* * The opinions expressed are those of the author and in no way * * represent the opinions of the CUNY Graduate School, its agencies * * or personnel. mcc@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu || CMCGC@CUNYVM.BITNET * ";-1;0 "From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 18 kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes: [...] >The EFF has been associated with efforts to prevent the banning of sex >and pictures newsgroups at various universities. [...] So what? Justices William Brennan, Thurgood Marshall, John Paul Stevens, and Byron White are associated with a plurality Supreme Court decision that prevented the removal of ""anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, and just plain filthy"" books from a public high school library [_Board of Education v. Pico_ (1982)]. Does this mean that they could no longer defend free expression and privacy? - Carl -- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me. = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu = ";16;1 "From: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov (James Felder) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: NASA Lewis Resaerch Center Lines: 100 Distribution: world Reply-To: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: hopper3.lerc.nasa.gov In article 734849678@saturn.wwc.edu, bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: -> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It ->makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, ->lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he ->writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, ->in the process he became a Christian himself. Sounds like you are saying he was a part of some conspiracy. Just what organization did he belong to? Does it have a name? -> The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a ->modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. Logic alert - artificial trifercation. The are many other possible explainations. Could have been that he never existed. There have been some good points made in this group that is not impossible that JC is an amalgam of a number of different myths, Mithra comes to mind. -> Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would ->die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People ->gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing ->someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did ->heal people. Logic alert - argument from incredulity. Just because it is hard for you to believe this doesn't mean that it isn't true. Liars can be very pursuasive, just look at Koresh that you yourself site. He has followers that don't think he is a fake and they have shown that they are willing to die. By not giving up after getting shot himself, Koresh has shown that he too is will to die for what he believes. As far as healing goes. If I rememer right the healing that was attributed is not consistent between the different gospels. In one of them the healing that is done is not any more that faith healers can pull off today. Seems to me that the early gospels weren't that compeling, so the stories got bigger to appeal better. -> Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn ->to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example ->anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see ->this right away. -> Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the ->real thing. Or might not have existed, or any number of things. That is the logical pitfall that those who use flawed logic like this fall into. There are bifurcations (or tri, quad, etc) that are valid, because in the proceeding steps, the person shows conclusively that the alternatives are all that are possible. Once everyone agrees that the given set is indeed all there are, then arguments among the alternatives can be presentent, and one mostly likely to be true can be deduced by excluding all other possible alternatives. However, if it can be shown that the set is not all inclusive, then any conclusions bases on the incomplete set are invalid, even if the true choice is one of the original choices. I have given at least one valid alternative, so the conclusion that JC is the real McCoy just because he isn't one of the other two alternative is no longer valid. -> Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in ->the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal ->and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I ->write I will use it. JC was a rabbi. He knew what those prophecies were. It wouldn't be any great shakes to make sure one does a list of actions that would fullfill prophecy. What would be compeling is if there were a set of clear and explicit prophecies AND JC had absolutely NO knowledge of then, yet fullfilled them anyway. -> I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It ->is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it ->should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's ->sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the ->same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives ->over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a ->real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But ->just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes ->time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. ->It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in ->a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this ->time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be ->carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for ->ourselves. Here I agree with you. Anyone who buys into this load of mythology should take what it says seriously, and what it says is that it must be a total way of life. I have very little respect for Xians that don't. If the myth is true, then it is true in its entirity. The picking and choosing that I see a lot of leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Jim --- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- James L. Felder | Sverdrup Technology,Inc. | phone: 216-891-4019 NASA Lewis Research Center | Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: jfelder@lerc.nasa.gov ""Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, other people gargle"" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: amitriptyline Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 14 In article <1993Mar27.010702.8176@julian.uwo.ca> roberts@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Eric Roberts) writes: >Could someone please tell me, what effect an overdose (900-1000mg) of >amitriptyline would have? Probably would not be fatal in an adult at that dose, but could kill a child. Patient would be very somnolent, with dilated pupils, low blood pressure. Possibly cardiac arrhythmias. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Distribution: usa <1qfrhbINNo80@cae.cad.gatech.edu> Lines: 27 In article <1qfrhbINNo80@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) says: >[...] >this measure as it will prevent the evil Bambi-killers from hunting, >and another will fight it for the interference with Nature that it is. Such a measure would also have another benefit. It would relieve the various states of the thorny problem of what to do with the hundreds of millions of dollars hunters pour into the economy annually. I'm sure that, to attain sure a lofty, humane, liberal and ecologically (not to mention politically) correct goal, the environmental and animal rights groups/individuals supporting such a measure would be more than willing to add their names to a list of supporters seeking increased taxation to replace these lost revenues. I am equally confident that these same entities, given their noteworthy record in the area of social responsibility and respect for private property, would feel morally and ethically bound to raise the necessary funds to acquire the hundreds of thousands of acres of land now held in private hands solely for use as private hunting preserves by the landowner(s). To do less than this would place these same groups/individuals in the ethically untenable (to say nothing of environmentally and politically incorrect) position of sanctioning the logging and subsequent development and urbanization of these former private hunting lands, which would no longer be useable by, or of any benefit to, the landowner(s) in such a capacity. W. K. Gorman ";-1;0 "From: weilej@cary115.its.rpi.edu (Jason Lee Weiler) Subject: Re: need a viewer for gl files Nntp-Posting-Host: cary115.its.rpi.edu Reply-To: weilej@rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. Lines: 17 In article <1qu36i$kh7@dux.dundee.ac.uk>, dwestner@cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) writes: |> Hi, |> |> the subject says it all. Is there a PD viewer for gl files (for X)? |> |> Thanks |> |> |> Dominik |> Dominik, Have you tried xgrasp? It's out there on several ftp sites.(not sure which, but archie can find it, I'm sure.) It works ok but it lacks an interface. -Jason Weiler ";-1;0 "From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr16.211458.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes: (deletion) >Nope, Germany has extremely restrictive citizenship laws. The >ethnic Germans who have lived in Russia for over 100 years >automatically become citizens if they move to Germany, but the >Turks who are now in their third generation in Germany can't. That's wrong. They can. Benedikt ";-1;0 "From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr20.142131.27347@rti.rti.org> jbs@rti.rti.org writes: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >> >>Well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv >>to get the trial they deserved. Instead they chose to set fire to their >>compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas. > >This is about the third person who's parroted the FBI's line about the >fires being set ""six hours after the tear gas was injected."" Suppose you >want to explain to us the videotape footage shown on national TV last night >in which a tank with the gas-injecting tubes is pulling its injection tubes >out of the second story of a building as the building begins to belch smoke >and then fire? I've already corrected my mistake earlier in this thread. I saw a brief news report which led to the above inaccuracy. I have since seen detailed summaries that show the tanks returned in the late morning. So, why didn't the BD's leave when the gas was first introduced much earlier in the morning? Didn't they care about the children? Why didn't they release the children weeks ago? > >Do tell. > > -joe -- ";-1;0 "From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) Subject: Re: Bruins-Pens: the Ulf-Neeley fight Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Oh, excuse me for wasting the bandwidth, but I was referring to the original incident, not the recent skirmish which occurred this past month. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Tom Huot huot@cray.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";-1;0 "From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: how to search for bad memory chips. Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 29 In article david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave) writes: >i came upon this idea i would like to share with everyone. > >to check for bad memory chips > >1. create a boot disk with emm386 himem.sys and ramdrive.sys in the > config/autoexec.bat. > >2. boot the PC to create a RAM drive as large as possible. > >3. use a disk repair utility ( I use NDD ). Run it on the RAM > drive, yes it will run, its only a device driver > >4. run 1000 or so passes, they go very quick > >5. if your machine fails, there is a definate bad memory chip > >6. if your machine passes, there is a conflict with programs you > are loading in memory. ... It's an interesting idea, but the worst-case data patterns developed to test magnetic media are totally different than the patterns used to detect common faults in memory chips. -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com ";-1;0 "From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 32 In article <1r0ejoINNjfj@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, lanph872@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) writes: |> Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote: |> : What bothers me most is why people who have no religious affiliation |> : continue to persecute Jews? Why this hatred of Jews? The majority of |> : people who persecute Jews are NOT Christians (I can't speak for all |> : Christians and there are bound to be a few who are on the anti-Semitism |> : bandwagon.) |> |> Do you even have anecdotal evidence to back this up? The most blatent |> persecution of the Jews in history was of course done by the Nazis before |> and during World War II, a predominately Lutheran crowd. Sure, many |> Muslims in the Middle East consider the Israelites to be a thorn in their |> side, but the most of the modern persecution of Jews has been at the hands |> of Christians (at least as far as I'm aware). |> |> Rob Lanphier |> lanph872@uidaho.edu Do you consider Neo-Nazis and white supremists to be Christian? I'd hardly classify them as Christian. Do they follow the teachings of Christ? Love one another. Love your neighbour as yourself. Love your enemies. Is Jesus Christ their Lord and Saviour? By the persecution of Jews, they are violating all the precepts of what Christ died for. They are in direct violation of the teachings of Christ. Even Jesus who was crucified by the Jewish leaders of that time, loved His enemies by asking the Father for forgiveness of their sins. I am a Christian and I bear no animosity towards Jews or any one else. The enemy is Satan, not our fellow man. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) ";-1;0 "From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) Subject: Re: Too many MRIs? Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr12.165410.4206@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes: > >I recall reading somewhere, during my youth, in some science popularization >book, that whyle isotope changes don't normally affect chemistry, a consumption >of only heavy water would be fatal, and that seeds watered only with heavy >water do not sprout. Does anyone know about this? > I also heard this. I always thought it might make a good eposide of 'Columbo' for someone to be poisoned with heavy water - it wouldn't show up in any chemical test. ";-1;0 "From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Too fast Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr17.063040.2177 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 63 In article <1qmcih$dhs@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: >>The quality of autobahns is something of a myth. The road surface >>isn't much different to a typical TX freeway. They are better >>in terms of lighting, safety, signs, roadmarkings etc. > >They light the highways in Texas? Funny, everywhere else I've been >they only light 'em at junctions. Sorry, by ""they"" I meant autobahns, not US freeways. > >I won't even get into how much road markings vary between states and >localities except to say that there are some areas where markings are >essentially nonexistant. > >>>than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your >>>shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to > >>It would have to be quite severe. I don't recall any US freeway, >>without road damage warnings, that i would regard as unsafe >>at 130 in any decent, well damped car. > >I suspect you have very limited experience -- US freeways vary >dramatically, particularly between states. I can name a number of >interstate highways in various parts of the country where 130 would be >very optimistic in any car. Well, I've driven in every state but Alaska, and drive about 60k per year. I take long cross country trips any chance I get - its fun for me and I can get reimbursment. My job allows me to drive rather than fly. Not to labor the point, but I've driven just about every freewayin the US, Germany, UK and France plus some in Mexico, which was surpisingly good. > >I'm not sure what you call ""quite severe"" in terms of road deviations >but I suspect every single bridge junction on I84 through CT would be >considered so. They're hard to take at 85mph. That's not the only >interstate I've seen with such deviations, but it's one I drive >frequently. Yes, but as a %age of the total freeway in the US? All you have to do in this case is mark the hazard, advising people to slow to 85 or so. > >Texas is pretty much an edge-case -- you can't assume that everywhere >has roads in such good condition, such flat terrain, and such Texas freeways are varied, sometimes a good surface. Mostly flat. But, I5 in CA is comparable and hilly. >wide-open spaces. It just ain't so. > Given the absence of other traffic and car built for 130 (e.g. 535) most US freeways are just fine. The problem is other road users and cops. >jim frost >jimf@centerline.com Craig ";10;1 "From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Space Advertising (2 of 2) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org writes: >the ""Environmental >Billboard"" is a large inflatable outer support structure of up to >804x1609 meters. Advertising is carried by a mylar reflective area, >deployed by the inflatable 'frame'. > To help sell the concept, the spacecraft responsible for >maintaining the billboard on orbit will carry ""ozone reading >sensors"" to ""continuously monitor the condition of the Earth's >delicate protective ozone layer,"" according to Mike Lawson, head of >SMI. Furthermore, the inflatable billboard has reached its minimum >exposure of 30 days it will be released to re-enter the Earth's >atmosphere. According to IMI, ""as the biodegradable material burns, >it will release ozone-building components that will literally >replenish the ozone layer."" ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ Can we assume that this guy studied advertising and not chemistry? Granted it probably a great advertising gimic, but it doesn't sound at all practical. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal ";-1;0 "From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Subject: Re: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism) Reply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 31 In a previous article, mcovingt@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) says: >In article heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes: >That is not necessarily unorthodox. When Christians call God 'Father', >we are using a metaphor. The Bible in one place refers to God as being >like a mother. God is neither a father nor a mother in the literal >sense; God has some of the attributes of both; the father metaphor is >usually used because (for most people at most times) it is the less >misleading of the two possibilities. I don't know which passage you are refering to, but the passage I have often seen cited as an example of a mother image of God is Isaiah 49:15 ""Can a woman forget her sucking child / that she should have no compassion / on the son of her womb? / Even these may forget, / yet I will not forget you."" This passage is *not* a mother image of God at all. The mother here is the image of the best human constancy can show, and it is contrasted with the constancy of God. The mother figure here represents mankind, not God. -- ============================================================================== Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis ============================================================================== [Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! --clh] ";-1;0 "From: eacj@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Julian Vrieslander) Subject: Re: Recommendations for removable storage media wanted Organization: Cornell Theory Center Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: theory.tc.cornell.edu In article <1993Apr14.115511.28278@kth.se> d88-jwa@eufrat.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes: >If you have no friends, buy a 128 MB optical Huh? If I buy a 128M optical, I might lose my friends? Why - do they smell bad? :-) >and stop worrying about cartridge wear (Bernoulli) or crashes (SyQuest) On a serious note, I have heard the tales about SyQuest failures. But I am curious about Jon's comments on cartridge wear for the the Bernoullis. Can someone elaborate? Is there a general consensus that the 128M opticals are the most reliable? I am mostly concerned about media failures, as opposed to drive mechanism failures. -- Julian Vrieslander Neurobiology & Behavior, Mudd Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 INTERNET: eacj@theory.tc.cornell.edu BITNET: eacj@crnlthry UUCP: ..cornell!batcomputer!eacj ";-1;0 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: He has risen! Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Our Lord and Savior David Keresh has risen! He has been seen alive! Spread the word! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""My sole intention was learning to fly."" ";-1;0 "From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) Subject: Re: Is Morality Constant (was Re: Biblical Rape) Organization: Decision Support Inc. Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: dsi.dsinc.com This (frayed) thread has turned into a patented alt.atheism 5-on-1 ping-pong game, and I don't have any strong disagreement, so I'll try to stick to the one thing I don't quite follow about the argument: It seems to me that there is a contradiction in arguing that the Bible was ""enlightened for its times"" (i.e. closer to what we would consider morally good based on our standards and past experience) on the one hand [I hope this summarizes this argument adequately], and on the other hand: In article <1993Apr03.001125.23294@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes: }In article <1phpe1INN8g6@dsi.dsinc.com>, perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) writes: }|> }Disclaimer: I'm speaking from the Jewish perspective, }|> }where ""the Bible"" means what many call the Old Testament, }|> }and where the interpretation is not necessarily the }|> }raw text, but instead the court cases, commentaries }|> }and traditions passed down through Jewish communities. }|> }|> This seems the crux to me: if you judge the Bible according to a long }|> line of traditions and interpretations coming down to the current day, }|> rather than on its own merits as a cultural artifact, then of course }|> it will correspond more closely with more contemporary values. } }But if that's how the Bible is actually being used today, }shouldn't that be how we should judge it? If most people }use scissors to cut paper, shouldn't Consumer's Reports }test scissors for paper-cutting ability, even though }scissors may have been designed originally to cut cloth? That's possibly a good way to judge the use of the Bible in teaching Jewish morality today, but it hardly seems fair to claim that this highly-interpreted version is what was ""enlightened for its times"". To (attempt to) extend the analogy, this is like saying that the original scissor-makers were unusually advanced at paper-cutting for their times, even though they only ever cut cloth, and had never even heard of paper. I'm not arguing that the Bible is ""disgusting"", though some of the history depicted in it is, by modern standards. However, history is full of similar abuses, and I don't think the Biblical accounts are worse than their contemporaries--or possibly ours. On the other hand, I don't know of any reason to think the history described in the Bible shows *less* abuse than their contemporaries, or ours. That complex and benign moral traditions have evolved based on particular mythic interpretations of that history is interesting, but I still don't think it fair to take that long tradition of interpretation and use it to attack condemnation of the original history. -- Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours. ";-1;0 "From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Sun, April 18, 1993 Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 219 New Jersey 1 0 2--3 Pittsburgh 2 3 1--6 First period 1, Pittsburgh, Tocchet 1 (Stevens, Lemieux) pp, 1:40. 2, New Jersey, Barr 1 (Guerin, Holik) 6:24. 3, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 1 (Jagr, Ramsey) 9:33. Second period 4, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 2 (Stevens, Murphy) pp, 4:11. 5, Pittsburgh, Francis 1 (Ramsey, Mullen) 12:57. 6, Pittsburgh, Tippett 1 (Jagr, McEachern) 17:13. Third period 7, Pittsburgh, Jagr 1 (Samuelsson, Lemieux) pp, 8:35. 8, New Jersey, Stevens 1 (Niedermayer, Driver) pp, 11:48. 9, New Jersey, Stevens 2 (Semak, Niedermayer) 18:56. Pittsburgh: 6 Power play: 8-3 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Francis 1 0 1 Jagr 1 2 3 Lemieux 2 2 4 McEachern 0 1 1 Mullen 0 1 1 Murphy 0 1 1 Ramsey 0 2 2 Samuelsson 0 1 1 Stevens 0 2 2 Tippett 1 0 1 Tocchet 1 0 1 New Jersey: 3 Power play: 8-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Barr 1 0 1 Driver 0 1 1 Guerin 0 1 1 Holik 0 1 1 Niedermayer 0 2 2 Semak 0 1 1 Stevens 2 0 2 ----------------------------------------- St Louis 0 2 2--4 Chicago 1 2 0--3 First period 1, Chicago, Noonan 1 (Larmer, Brown) 8:17. Second period 2, St Louis, Brown 1 (Shanahan, Emerson) 3:12. 3, Chicago, Noonan 2 (Roenick, Chelios) pp, 5:40. 4, Chicago, Noonan 3 (Matteau, Sutter) 8:51. 5, St Louis, Felsner 1 (McRae, Janney) 12:49. Third period 6, St Louis, Shanahan 1 (Brown, Hull) pp, 11:12. 7, St Louis, Hull 1 (Emerson, Brown) pp, 11:29. St Louis: 4 Power play: 4-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Brown 1 2 3 Emerson 0 2 2 Felsner 1 0 1 Hull 1 1 2 Janney 0 1 1 McRae 0 1 1 Shanahan 1 1 2 Chicago: 3 Power play: 7-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Brown 0 1 1 Chelios 0 1 1 Larmer 0 1 1 Matteau 0 1 1 Noonan 3 0 3 Roenick 0 1 1 Sutter 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Los Angeles 1 3 2--6 Calgary 0 1 2--3 First period 1, Los Angeles, Sydor 1 (Gretzky, Sandstrom) 0:16. Second period 2, Calgary, Suter 1 (Fleury) sh, 2:48. 3, Los Angeles, Carson 1 (Shuchuk, Sydor) pp, 3:13. 4, Los Angeles, Huddy 1 (Taylor, Rychel) 3:37. 5, Los Angeles, McSorley 1 (unassisted) 6:36. Third period 6, Los Angeles, Millen 1 (Granato, Donnelly) 1:06. 7, Calgary, Dahlquist 1 (Otto) 4:23. 8, Calgary, Yawney 1 (MacInnis, Reichel) 8:47. 9, Los Angeles, Carson 2 (Sandstrom, Robitaille) pp, 10:32. Los Angeles: 6 Power play: 10-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Carson 2 0 2 Donnelly 0 1 1 Granato 0 1 1 Gretzky 0 1 1 Huddy 1 0 1 McSorley 1 0 1 Millen 1 0 1 Robitaille 0 1 1 Rychel 0 1 1 Sandstrom 0 2 2 Shuchuk 0 1 1 Sydor 1 1 2 Taylor 0 1 1 Calgary: 3 Power play: 8-0 Special goals: sh: 1 Total: 1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Dahlquist 1 0 1 Fleury 0 1 1 MacInnis 0 1 1 Otto 0 1 1 Reichel 0 1 1 Suter 1 0 1 Yawney 1 0 1 ----------------------------------------- First period 1, NY Islanders, Ferraro 1 (Flatley, Vaske) 5:56. Second period No scoring. Third period 2, Washington, Hunter 1 (Elynuik, Krygier) 3:18. 3, Washington, Hunter 2 (Khristich, Johansson) pp, 7:01. 4, Washington, Khristich 1 (Pivonka, Johansson) pp, 15:25. Washington: 3 Power play: 5-2 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Elynuik 0 1 1 Hunter 2 0 2 Johansson 0 2 2 Khristich 1 1 2 Krygier 0 1 1 Pivonka 0 1 1 NY Islanders: 1 Power play: 5-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Ferraro 1 0 1 Flatley 0 1 1 Vaske 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- Buffalo 2 1 1 1--5 Boston 0 2 2 0--4 First period 1, Buffalo, Hannan 1 (unassisted) 2:32. 2, Buffalo, LaFontaine 1 (Mogilny) 9:26. Second period 3, Boston, Juneau 1 (Neely, Oates) pp, 7:20. 4, Boston, Neely 1 (Oates, Juneau) 14:42. 5, Buffalo, Mogilny 1 (Hawerchuk, Smehlik) 19:55. Third period 6, Buffalo, Mogilny 2 (unassisted) 3:46. 7, Boston, Neely 2 (Juneau, Oates) 15:44. 8, Boston, Heinze 1 (Juneau) 17:00. Overtime 9, Buffalo, Sweeney 1 (Khmylev, Smehlik) 11:03. Buffalo: 5 Power play: 3-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Hannan 1 0 1 Hawerchuk 0 1 1 Khmylev 0 1 1 LaFontaine 1 0 1 Mogilny 2 1 3 Smehlik 0 2 2 Sweeney 1 0 1 Boston: 4 Power play: 7-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Heinze 1 0 1 Juneau 1 3 4 Neely 2 1 3 Oates 0 3 3 ----------------------------------------- Montreal 1 1 0 0--2 Quebec 0 0 2 1--3 First period 1, Montreal, Dionne 1 (Dipietro, Brunet) 5:52. Second period 2, Montreal, Bellows 1 (Muller, Desjardins) 9:58. Third period 3, Quebec, Rucinsky 1 (Lapointe, Sundin) pp, 18:31. 4, Quebec, Sakic 1 (Lapointe) 19:12. Overtime 5, Quebec, Young 1 (Ricci, Duchesne) 16:49. Quebec: 3 Power play: 4-1 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Duchesne 0 1 1 Lapointe 0 2 2 Ricci 0 1 1 Rucinsky 1 0 1 Sakic 1 0 1 Sundin 0 1 1 Young 1 0 1 Montreal: 2 Power play: 1-0 Scorer G A Pts --------------- --- --- --- Bellows 1 0 1 Brunet 0 1 1 Desjardins 0 1 1 Dionne 1 0 1 Dipietro 0 1 1 Muller 0 1 1 ----------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: Winning Streaks <93105.053748RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Lines: 14 You might want to clarify the 11 game winning streak. That Pens streak is a PLAYOFF streak (tied by the Chicago Blackhawks, who had won 11 in a row until they met the Pens in the finals last year) The 18 game unbeaten, so far, is a regular season unbeaten streak. But hey, don't take it personally. I'm a Flyers fan and two in a row is a stretch. But with a healthy Lindros, Recchi, Brind'amour and Tommy Soderstrom, they'll be there next year! By the way, since the Flyers need defenseman, what kind of trade would anybody suggest from the existing Flyers roster since the scuttlebutt is that Terry Carkner won't be there next year and apart from him a piece of notebook paper would be better defense. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Weaver (properly found at AJS147@psuvm.psu.edu). Hey, at least we're not the Whalers! ";-1;0 "From: thompson@cactus.org (Charles Thompson) Subject: How does ""Differential Mode"" GPS work??? Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 15 I understand that the new GPS boxes now have an option known as ""differential ready"". Apparently land-based beacons tranmit GPS correction information to your GPS receiver (with differential option installed). How does this system work? What frequency is used for the land-based beacons? Thanks in advance, Charlie Thompson . ";-1;0 "From: voecking@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Volker Voecking) Subject: Re: expanding to Europe:Dusseldorf Originator: voecking@hphalle5c.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr15.192231.27574@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: |> In pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi writes: |> |> > |> > DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players |> > are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena. |> |> Interesting! One of our German friends here (Robert?) told me their forwards |> were all Canadian-Germans. Perhaps somebody can sort this out for us? As far as I know Dusseldorf has only one Canadian-German forward (i.e. a player who was born in Canada but now has a German passport). Benoit Doucet became german by marriing a german and he is going to play for Germany in the WC. The other Canada-born forwards are: Peter-John Lee (has British passport) Chris Valentine Dale Dercatch Steve Gootas Earl Spry (?) At the moment there are only three German-born forwards coming into my mind: Bernd Trunschka, Andreas Brockmann, Ernst Koepf Volker ";-1;0 "From: david@swat (David E. Smyth) Subject: Re: MS Windows VS Motif (GUI design differences), was Re: Future of Unix Nntp-Posting-Host: swat Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA) Distribution: usa Lines: 17 Ik Su Yoo writes: > >Another important difference is that MSW doesn't have any window that >handle sophisticated geometry management (like XmForm). Is this an advantage to MS Windows or to Xt? I used to think it was a big advantage for Xt, but I am not at all sure anymore... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Smyth david@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov Senior Software Engineer, (818)306-6463 (temp! do NOT use v-mail) X and Object Guru. tempory office: 525/B70 Jet Propulsion Lab, M/S 525-3660 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's the earliest possible date you can't prove it won't be done by? - Tom DeMarco ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";12;1 "From: ccox@math.nwu.edu (Christopher L. Cox) Subject: Re: Yogi-isms Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.213008.1009 Organization: Dept of Math, Northwestern Univ Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: poincare.math.nwu.edu > > Here's one I remember: (sort of) > Yogi's asleep in a hotel room late at night and gets a call from someone. > After he answers the phone the person at the other end asks if he woke Yogi > up. Yogi answered, ""No, the phone did."" > > Kevin One of my favorites came back in the seventies when two streakers interupted a game Yogi was at, dashing across the field unclad. Later someone who wasn't present asked Yogi if they were men or women. He replied, ""I couldn't tell, they had bags over their heads."" ";-1;0 "From: hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Hess) Subject: XWindows always opaque Summary: is there a way for a parent window to overpaint its childs? Keywords: xwindow, parent-child relation Organization: University of Hamburg, Germany Distribution: comp Lines: 9 Hi, I wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area of its childs. If it is not, then how could it be possible to implement a rubberband across multiple xwindows to select the objects that are displayed one in each window? Hauke ";-1;0 "From: tron@fafnir.la.locus.com (Michael Trofimoff) Subject: REQUEST: Gyro (souvlaki) sauce Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Distribution: usa Lines: 12 Hi All, Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki? Thanks, -=< tron >=- e-mail: tron@locus.com *Vidi, vici, veni* ";-1;0 "From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Space Advertising (2 of 2) X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 82 Two developments have brought these type of activities back to the forefront in 1993. First, in February, the Russians deployed a 20-m reflector from a Progress vehicle after it had departed from the Mir Space Station. While this ""Banner"" reflector was blank, NPO Energia was very active in reporting that future Banner reflectors will be available to advertisers, who could use a space- based video of their logo or ad printed on the Banner in a TV commercial, as filmed from the Mir. The second development, has been that Space Marketing Inc, the same company responsible for merchandising space on the Conestoga booster and COMET spacecraft, is now pushing the ""Environmental Billboard"". As laid out by SMI Chief Engineer Dr Ron Humble of the University of Colorado Space Laboratory and Preston Carter of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, the ""Environmental Billboard"" is a large inflatable outer support structure of up to 804x1609 meters. Advertising is carried by a mylar reflective area, deployed by the inflatable 'frame'. To help sell the concept, the spacecraft responsible for maintaining the billboard on orbit will carry ""ozone reading sensors"" to ""continuously monitor the condition of the Earth's delicate protective ozone layer,"" according to Mike Lawson, head of SMI. Furthermore, the inflatable billboard has reached its minimum exposure of 30 days it will be released to re-enter the Earth's atmosphere. According to IMI, ""as the biodegradable material burns, it will release ozone-building components that will literally replenish the ozone layer."" The remaining spacecraft will monitor the atmosphere for another year before it, too, re-enters and burns up and ""adds to the ozone supply."" This would not be a cheap advertisement, costing at least several millions of dollars (exact costs were not available). But SMI estimates that market exposure would be 3-5X that of the people who watched the SuperBowl, where a 30-second advertising 'unit' cost $600,000. Since SMI is located in Atlanta, Georgia, it is being promoted as being available in time for the opening of the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta. But back to Brian's questions: >And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN >news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the ""wild >idea"" stage or does it have real funding? See above. As for serious -- if they can get $15-20 M or so (my estimate of $5-10 for development costs and a flight unit, plus $10-15 M for a launch), then it's probably real. They are claiming to tailor the orbit to overfly specific locations at specific times for optimum advertising impact so they probably can't piggy back upon someone else's planned launch and will have to buy a dedicated launch. That's a $10-15 M cost they need to raise, right there. And there will probably be some legal challenges to this as well. Note there is one potential legal challenge to SMI on the use of launch vehicle advertising already. While I don't think the legal challenges would win out (and yes, I am an amateur astronomer, and no, I don't really like the idea of this additional light pollution, but I know of no prohibition of it...), the legal challenges and court fights would probably remove any positive aspects of the advertising. I can imagine several ways to make the advertisers look like louts for doing this -- which would change positive market exposure to negative market exposure, and negate the space advertising advantage. (Would you spend $15 M to look like an idiot?) (And light pollution might not be too bad -- if it's in a low enough orbit, and it relies upon reflected light only, it would only be visible for a short time just after local dusk and before dawn. For maximum market exposure, you want to have it visible just after dusk --minimizing impact on astronomy, since that's the time of worse seeing due to day/night thermal turbulence. It might still be a problem, but perhaps there are ways to mitigate this...) As for having real funding -- none that I can identify. There were about 60 expressions of interest made on the Conestoga advertising opportunity, but that included curious folks and was for only a $500,000 commitment. I haven't heard of any serious funding for this, but I'm sure they are shopping the venture around looking for some money in order to flesh out the concept some more. But I am confident there are no firm or paying customers at this time. And if anybody wants to cross-post this to sci.astro, please be my guest. I don't have posting privileges to that area (or at least I don't THINK I do...). ------------------------------------------------------------------- Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor --- Maximus 2.01wb ";-1;0 "From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: SDSU - LARC Lines: 8 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu > I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that > this board would be most appropriate. try sci.energy Jeff Babb babb@sciences.sdsu.edu babb@ucssun1.sdsu.edu Programmer, SDSU - LARC ";11;1 "From: pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au (Paul Blackman) Subject: Re: moving icons Article-I.D.: csc.1993Apr22.233213.7644 Organization: University of Canberra Lines: 20 In article <1bp0rAHPBh107h@viamar.UUCP> rutgers!viamar!kmembry writes: >I remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away >from the mouse as it moved near them. Does anyone know the name >of this program and the ftp location (probably at cica) > The file is frite20.zip and you'll find it in the 'icons' directory at Cica. The one line description is: Afflict Your Icons with ""Cursorphobia"" ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ o | Paul Blackman pwb@science.canberra.edu.au o | Water Research Centre, pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au o _ | Faculty of Applied Science -- ("") o | University of Canberra, Australia. \_|_-- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | ""Spend a little love and get high"" _/ \_ | - Lenny Kravitz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";-1;0 "From: bill@thd.tv.tek.com (William K. McFadden) Subject: Re: Cable TVI interference Keywords: catv cable television tvi Article-I.D.: tvnews.1993Apr15.193218.13070 Organization: Tektronix TV Products Lines: 15 In article jim@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (jim jaworski) writes: >What happens when DVC (Digital Videon Compression) is introduced next >year and instead of just receiving squiggly lines on 2 or 3 channels >we'll be receiving sqigglies on, let's see 3*10 = 30 channels eventually. Since the digital transmission schemes include error correction and concealment, the performance remains about the same down to a very low carrier-to-noise ratio, below which it degrades very quickly. Hence, digitally compressed TV is supposed to be less susceptible to interference than amplitude modulated TV. -- Bill McFadden Tektronix, Inc. P.O. Box 500 MS 58-639 Beaverton, OR 97077 bill@tv.tv.tek.com, ...!tektronix!tv.tv.tek.com!bill Phone: (503) 627-6920 How can I prove I am not crazy to people who are? ";11;1 "From: rts@nwu.edu (Ted Schreiber) Subject: Opinions on recent Alfa Spiders Nntp-Posting-Host: mac178.mech.nwu.edu Organization: Mechanical Engineering Lines: 15 Anyone have any opinions on fairly recent model Alfa Spiders ( 86-> ) Reliablilty for what their class ( I'm not talking Alfa vs. Toyota corrola which is more relaible ) As far as I can discern, in recent years, there are 3 levels with all basically the same mechanical aspects. Please email any responses Ted Schreiber Mechanical Enginering Northwestern University Tel: 708.491.5386 FAX 708.491.3915 Email: rts@nwu.edu ";-1;0 "From: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce G. Bostwick) Subject: Re: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 13 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > >This may be a safety issue; the CSA is more paranoid in certain areas than >UL and such. Two caps in series means that you don't have a short if one >of them shorts. Not necessarily true; a short in one, if near the maximum series voltage drop, will overvoltage the other one and short it too, more -- lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu / The only reason the world hasn't (really Bruce Bostwick) / dissolved into total chaos is that from the great state of TEXAS / Murphy's Law also applies to Murphy. ";-1;0 "From: cptnerd@access.digex.com (Captain Nerd) Subject: ""SIMM Re-use"" NuBus board... Anyone seen one? Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Summary: does anyone make this? does anyone know what I'm talking about? Keywords: SIMM NuBus board RAMDisk Hello, I remember running across an ad in the back of Mac[User|World] a few years ago, for a Nubus board that had umpteen SIMM slots, to be used to ""recycle your old SIMMs,"" when you upgraded memory. I don't remember who made this board, and I haven't seen it advertised in any of the latest Mac magazines. It mentioned that it included software to make the SIMMs on the board act like a RAM disk. As someone who has SIMMS he can't get rid of/use, but hates the waste, this sounds to me like a majorly good idea. Does anyone out there know what board/company I'm talking about? Are they still in business, or does anyone know where I can get a used one if they are no longer made? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail me, to save net.bandwidth. Thanks, Cap. -- | Internet: cptnerd@digex.com | AOL: CptNerd | Compuserve: 70714,105 | CONSILIO MANUQUE OTIUM CUM DIGNITATE CREDO QUIA ABSURDUM EST PARTURIENT MONTES NASCETUR RIDICULUS MUS ";-1;0 "From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Distribution: usa Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr15.220511.11311@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: > Do I have to be the one to say it? > > DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN > FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM! True enough. I put it on the ground if it's free of spooge, or directly on my head otherwise. > That kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against. Not exactly. The helmet has a lot less energy if your head isn't in it, and there's no lump inside to compress the liner against the shell. Is a drop off the seat enough to crack the shell? I doubt it, but you can always send it to be inspected. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada ";7;1 "From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault) Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org Distribution: world Organization: Thibault & Friends Lines: 45 1. Do a straight encryption of your keyrings and put the results with misleading names somewhere they won't be noticed (eg. in the \windows directory; nobody knows what half those files are). 2. Do a straight encryption of a .BAT file that will decrypt the keyrings to RAMdisk and will set PGPPATH to point at it. 3. Set up another .BAT file to decrypt and execute the first (again on RAM disk). Have it take the name of the target file as an argument so that there is no link between this file and the (non-existent) batch file referred to by the rest of the system. Comment it so it looks like a test script for fooling around with PGP. Set PGPPATH to the PGP directory. 4. Leave the original keyrings that came with PGP in the directory with PGP; a good indication that you are playing with, but haven't made serious use of PGP. Add a set of keys with your name and a really simple passphrase. Never use it, or use it as your widely published key for low-security e-mail. 5. When needed, run the second .BAT file. Make sure all intermediate and plainfiles are generated on RAMdisk. 6. When you hear the concussion grenade, hit the power switch. Cheers, Marc --- Marc Thibault | CIS:71441,2226 | Put another log marc@tanda.isis.org | NC FreeNet: aa185 | on the fire. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.0 mQBNAiqxYTkAAAECALfeHYp0yC80s1ScFvJSpj5eSCAO+hihtneFrrn+vuEcSavh AAUwpIUGyV2N8n+lFTPnnLc42Ms+c8PJUPYKVI8ABRG0I01hcmMgVGhpYmF1bHQg PG1hcmNAdGFuZGEuaXNpcy5vcmc+ =HLnv -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ";-1;0 "From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket) Subject: NHL Playoff leaders as of April 19, 1993 Organization: University of New Brunswick Distribution: rec.sport.hockey Lines: 126 Playoff leaders as of April 19, 1993 Player Team GP G A Pts +/- PIM M.Lemieux PIT 1 2 2 4 0 0 Juneau BOS 1 1 3 4 0 0 Noonan CHI 1 3 0 3 0 0 Mogilny BUF 1 2 1 3 0 0 Neely BOS 1 2 1 3 0 0 Brown STL 1 1 2 3 0 0 Jagr PIT 1 1 2 3 0 0 Oates BOS 1 0 3 3 0 0 Carson LA 1 2 0 2 0 0 Hunter WAS 1 2 0 2 0 0 Stevens NJ 1 2 0 2 0 0 Cullen TOR 1 1 1 2 0 0 Hull STL 1 1 1 2 0 0 Khristich WAS 1 1 1 2 0 0 Linden VAN 1 1 1 2 0 0 Racine DET 1 1 1 2 0 0 Shanahan STL 1 1 1 2 0 0 Sydor LA 1 1 1 2 0 0 Yzerman DET 1 1 1 2 0 0 Bure VAN 1 0 2 2 0 0 Coffey DET 1 0 2 2 0 0 Drake DET 1 0 2 2 0 0 Emerson STL 1 0 2 2 0 0 G.Courtnall VAN 1 0 2 2 0 0 Johansson WAS 1 0 2 2 0 0 Lapointe QUE 1 0 2 2 0 0 Niedermayer NJ 1 0 2 2 0 0 Ramsey PIT 1 0 2 2 0 0 Sandstrom LA 1 0 2 2 0 0 Smehlik BUF 1 0 2 2 0 0 Stevens PIT 1 0 2 2 0 0 Adams VAN 1 1 0 1 0 0 Barr NJ 1 1 0 1 0 0 Bellows MON 1 1 0 1 0 0 Burr DET 1 1 0 1 0 0 Chiasson DET 1 1 0 1 0 0 Craven VAN 1 1 0 1 0 0 Dahlquist CAL 1 1 0 1 0 0 Dionne MON 1 1 0 1 0 0 Felsner STL 1 1 0 1 0 0 Ferraro NYI 1 1 0 1 0 0 Francis PIT 1 1 0 1 0 0 Gilmour TOR 1 1 0 1 0 0 Hannan BUF 1 1 0 1 0 0 Heinze BOS 1 1 0 1 0 0 Howe DET 1 1 0 1 0 0 Huddy LA 1 1 0 1 0 0 King WIN 1 1 0 1 0 0 LaFontaine BUF 1 1 0 1 0 0 Lefebvre TOR 1 1 0 1 0 0 McSorley LA 1 1 0 1 0 0 Millen LA 1 1 0 1 0 0 Ronning VAN 1 1 0 1 0 0 Rucinsky QUE 1 1 0 1 0 0 Sakic QUE 1 1 0 1 0 0 Sheppard DET 1 1 0 1 0 0 Steen WIN 1 1 0 1 0 0 Suter CAL 1 1 0 1 0 0 Sweeney BUF 1 1 0 1 0 0 Tipett PIT 1 1 0 1 0 0 Yawney CAL 1 1 0 1 0 0 Young QUE 1 1 0 1 0 0 Barnes WIN 1 0 1 1 0 0 Borschevsky TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Brunet MON 1 0 1 1 0 0 Chelios CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Ciccarelli DET 1 0 1 1 0 0 Clark TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Desjardins MON 1 0 1 1 0 0 Dipietro MON 1 0 1 1 0 0 Donnelly LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Driver NJ 1 0 1 1 0 0 Duchesne QUE 1 0 1 1 0 0 Ellett TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Elynuik WAS 1 0 1 1 0 0 Flatley NYI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Fleury CAL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Gallant DET 1 0 1 1 0 0 Gill TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Granato LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Gretzky LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Guerin NJ 1 0 1 1 0 0 Hawerchuk BUF 1 0 1 1 0 0 Holik NJ 1 0 1 1 0 0 Housley WIN 1 0 1 1 0 0 Janney STL 1 0 1 1 0 0 K.Brown CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Khmylev BUF 1 0 1 1 0 0 Krygier WAS 1 0 1 1 0 0 Larmer CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 MacInnis CAL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Matteau CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 McEachern PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 McLean VAN 1 0 1 1 0 0 McRae STL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Mullen PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 Muller MON 1 0 1 1 0 0 Murphy PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 Murzyn VAN 1 0 1 1 0 0 Otto CAL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Pearson TOR 1 0 1 1 0 0 Pivonka WAS 1 0 1 1 0 0 Primeau DET 1 0 1 1 0 0 Probert DET 1 0 1 1 0 0 Reichel CAL 1 0 1 1 0 0 Ricci QUE 1 0 1 1 0 0 Robitaille LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Roenick CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Samuelsson PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 Semak NJ 1 0 1 1 0 0 Shannon WIN 1 0 1 1 0 0 Shuchuk LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Sundin QUE 1 0 1 1 0 0 Sutter CHI 1 0 1 1 0 0 Taylor LA 1 0 1 1 0 0 Tocchet PIT 1 0 1 1 0 0 Vaske NYI 1 0 1 1 0 0 -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - - - Maurice Richard - ";-1;0 "From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) Subject: Safe driving prcatices... Expires: 30 Apr 93 05:00:00 GMT Organization: Computervision Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr9.133114.2605@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes: >In article rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes: >>cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes: > >> >>my solution is *never* to ride next to a car > >The only thing between you and ""them"" is space. >Keep as much as possible. Take this one step further ... Never dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least getting into his area of vision. This also applies to merging into another lane after making a pass - do it as POSITIVELY as possible ... and what I ""try"" to do is look in the rear view and then over my shoulder. And after I've done that ACCELERATE into the lane so that you have a speed cushion should you have missed seeing a potential BDI that's trying to do the same thing as you ... or worse (ie: he may have been behind you, saw you made the pass successfully but YOU aren't GOING FAST ENOUGH to suite him so he tries to go around you on the right). Ride with four eyes... Rich Rich Bemben - DoD #0044 rbemben@timewarp.prime.com 1977 750 Triumph Bonneville (617) 275-1800 x 4173 ""Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect us from the evil men do in the name of good"" ";-1;0 "From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 123 /(hudson) /Yes you do. Who is to say that it is immoral for onesself to experience /pain or to be hurt in some other way. Maybe unpleasant, but that doesn't /say anything about morality. It violates free will, Hudson. (me) >You can derive the immorality of hurting someone else entirely from selfish >motives. I can say, for example, that it is wrong to hurt other people >because that makes them less productive members of society. /(hudson) /Why is making someone a less productive member of society immoral? Hudson, you are screwing up again. Morality does not (I say again, DOES NOT) define only ""right and wrong"". It also defines ""acceptable social behavior"", without any overtones of good and evil. Picking up your trash is not really a right/wrong moral issue in the eternal sense of Good and Evil. Yet it is moral in the sense that it is acceptable social behavior"". Your definition of the word ""morality"" is what is causing you to trip over yourself here. /(me) /And since />I, selfish being that I am, want to maximize my gains from society, I will />not do anything to another member of society if that action might cut down />on how much benefit I can derive from society. /(hudson) /Why is your benefit somehow related to morality. Again, your definition is causing you to shoot yourself in the foot. /(hudson) /What about if someone feels that their own personal benefit is enhanced /more than it would be damaged by depleting the overall resources of society? /Maybe something might hurt society, but it would help him immensly? That is irrational thinking. There may also be people out there who think that death by atomic destruction is a sublime and wonderful thing. I am not going to let them execute that idea just because they want to do it. Simply because I let people make up their minds about what morals they have doesn't prevent me from spotting and stopping a madman when I see one, Hudson. And even then, I will only stop him when he interferes with me and my life. That is the difference between me and you: you want to interfere in people's lives even when they aren't affecting you. /(hudson) /The central character in Dostoevsky's novel, Crime and Punishment, /(R something or other) reasoned that if killed this old Jewish woman and /stole her money to educate and establish himself financially, he could /make a great contribution to society. He reasoned that she was not of /much profit to society. She just collected rents, and hoarded money. One of the central points of any (that's ANY) moral system is that is has to be internally consistent. By killing her, the character had to accept the premise that the ends justify the means. If he accepted that premise, then (in order to be consistent), he must accept the idea that some day another person may apply the same standard to HIS life. Now, if he is unwilling to accept this premise (which he will not be willing to accept), then he has behaved inconsistently with his own moral standard. /(me) /[football example deleted] /(hudson) /Now suppose a freshman on the bench will only get to play if one of the /players in the field/on the court is injured (or killed.) This freshman /wants to play in the big game so a talent scout can see him. If he hurts /a player on the team, it might slightly lessen the chances of the team to /win, but he might gain great personal benefit. So, operating on purely /selfish (immorally selfish) motives, he arranges for a sniper to shoot a /team player in the leg. He gets to play in front of the talent scout. /Did that freshman behave morally? /Selfish intentions may sometimes generate (apparently) moral actions, but /not always. Two problems right off the bat: 1. The problem with your analogy is that it doesn't address the goal that I started with: winning the game. Playing in front of the talent scout != winning the game. Try creating the same analogy and keep the ultimate goal the same, will you? 2. The internal consistency question is also not addressed: if the freshman wants to do this to other people, then he has to accept the fact that it may happen to him one day. If he is unwilling, then he has violated his own moral standard. ";-1;0 "From: especkma@reed.edu (Erik. A Speckman) Subject: Re: PDS vs. Nubus (was Re: LC III NuBus Capable?) Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr19.184256.8664 Distribution: usa Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon Lines: 26 In article <1qt3vd$802@morrow.stanford.edu> HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) writes: >Second Wave makes NuBus card cages that work on the PDS slots of at >least three Macs: the SE/30, IIsi and Centris 610. They have not, to >my knowledge, announced such a device for the LCII, but they could >make one, technologically. > >The PDS card that goes to the cage simply needs the NuBus controller >circuitry present on NuBus Macs. > >Why, though, does anyone care about this? dgr has a three-PDS >adapter for the LC/LCII. They will soon have one for the LCIII. PDS >is better than NuBus for most people in most applications. Granted, >there are more NuBus cards. But, most applications that require a >NuBus card (like full-motion video capture) shouldn't be done on an >LC/LCII/LCIII anyway. > >Mark NuBus is a much more robust system for system for installing multiple cards without configuration problems. I know that when I was checking into expasion options for an SI there were a number of PDS video cards that would not work with certian Dual slot cache adapters. _Erik Speckman ";-1;0 "From: N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu Subject: Re: Help! Need 3-D graphics code/package for DOS!!! Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu In article <1993Apr19.101747.22169@ugle.unit.no> razor@swix.nvg.unit.no (Runar Jordahl) writes: > >N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu wrote: >: Help!! I need code/package/whatever to take 3-D data and turn it into >: a wireframe surface with hidden lines removed. I'm using a DOS machine, and >: the code can be in ANSI C or C++, ANSI Fortran or Basic. The data I'm using >: forms a rectangular grid. >: is a general interest question. >: Thank you!!!!!! I'm afraid your reply didn't get thru. I do appreciate you trying to reply, however. Please try again. ";-1;0 "From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.194738.20021 Distribution: na Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article <1993Apr6.185328.24947@news.cs.brandeis.edu> andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes: >In article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: >>In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: >>>CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes: >>>> Here are ""another"" ten reasons why we should all love CR >> >>Or the spectacle of ""Macho Real Men"" who would never bother to read the >>magazine but are more than apt to criticize it. >> > >But that's the point. We _do_ read it, or at least we did. Then we >found that their recommendations were useless and uninformed. Then we >write lists. The CR flame war is so easy to start because they are so >wrong and claim to be so right and so thorough. > >-andy > > Ok if you are so right, name a few good examples that were brought up. john -- John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ ""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ ";-1;0 "From: rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang) writes: >In article <1qslfs$bm1@access.digex.net> rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) writes: >>I also reviewed a new Nanao, the F550iW, which has just >>been released. >What's the difference between the F550i and the new F550iW? I'm >about to buy a Gateway system and was going to take the F550i >upgrade. Should I get the F550iW instead? >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Yang Silicon Graphics, Inc. > mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786 The F550iW is optimized for Windows. It powers down when the screen blanker appears, it powers down with you turn your computer off, and it meets all of the Swedish standards. It's also protected against EMI from adjacent monitors. Personally, I think the F550i is more bang for the buck right now. ";-1;0 "From: corbo@lclark.edu (Beth Corbo) Subject: Re: Non-Apple Mini-Docks available? Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Apr20.034614.12989 Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR Lines: 22 In article jonathan@mecca.epri.com writes: >A A DeGuzman (deguzman@after.math.uiuc.edu) wrote: >> My boss is considering the purchase of a Powerbook or Duo. He is leaning >> towards a 180, because of the math coprocessor (for Mathematica), but would >> get a Duo if he could find a Mini-Dock with a coprocessor. Have any >> third-parties announced such a beast? > > I believe that E-Machines might produce something of this nature. > Yes, E-Machines makes two mini-docks--the Powerlink Presente and the PowerLink DeskNet. The Presenter offers a variety of video-out options, including NTSC, RGB and SVGA. It also has sound out, floppy drive port and a power port. Unfortunately no SCSI port and it blocks the serial port. The DeskNet has the standard ports plus built-in EtherNet. Alas, none of these have an FPU. In the future, RasterOps is putting out a mini-dock, but the name escapes me now. It is supposed to support 16-bit color and ""Quadra"" comparable video speed. No idea if it has an FPU. Hope this helps... Beth Corbo ";-1;0 "From: lunger@helix.enet.dec.com (Dave Lunger) Subject: Modified sense of taste in Cancer pt? Keywords: cancer Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 13 What does a lack of taste of foods, or a sense of taste that seems ""off"" when eating foods in someone who has cancer mean? What are the possible causes of this? Why does it happen? Pt has Stage II breast cancer, and is taking tamoxifin. Also has Stage IV lung cancer with known CNA metastasis, and is taking klonopin (also had cranial radiation treatments). Thanks! [not a doctor, but trying to understand family member's illness] ";-1;0 "From: jec@watson.ibm.com Subject: Contraceptive pill Reply-To: jec@zurich.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: mythen.zurich.ibm.com Organization: Watson Research Center Lines: 9 A very simple question : it seems to me that the contraceptive pill just prevents the ovule to nest in the vagina and forces it to fall every month. But it does not prevent the fertilzation of the ovule. Is it true ? If yes, is there a risk of extra-uterine pregnancy, that is the development of the ovule inside the Fallopian tube ? J.Cherbonnier jec@zurich.ibm.com ";-1;0 "From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) Subject: FLYERS notes 4/17 Organization: AT&T Keywords: FLYERS/Whalers summary Lines: 200 The FLYERS closed out the season last night with their 8th straight victory, a 5-4 OT winner over the Hartford Whalers. The OT game winner came from Dimitri Yushkevich, just his 5th of the season and his first game winner. The FLYERS never led up until that point in the game. For the Whalers, the loss marked an NHL record 9th OT loss this season. Roster move: Gord Hynes was called to to play in place of Ryan McGill Injuries: Ryan McGill injured his hand in a fight 4/15 and was scratched. Lines: Eklund-Lindros-Recchi Beranek-Brind'Amour-Dineen Lomakin-Butsayev-Conroy Faust-Acton-Brown Galley-Bowen Yushkevich-Hawgood Carkner-Hynes Dominic Roussel Game Summary: I didn't get TV coverage of the game, and since it was stormy in these parts I didn't have the best radio coverage either. Here's the box score followed by a few things I did pick up: First Period: Hartford, Nylander 10, 8:51 Philadelphia, Recchi 53 (Lindros, Brind'Amour), 19:59.8 (pp) Penalties - Verbeek, Har (holding), :55; Carkner, Phi (roughing), 13:53; Houda, Har (interference) 18:43 Second Period: Hartford, Burt 6 (Cunneyworth, Kron), 2:00 Philadelphia, Bowen 1 (Eklund, Recchi), 7:09 Hartford, Nylander 11 (Zalapski, Sanderson), 9:38 Penalties - Galley, Phi, major-game misconduct (spearing) :58; Verbeek, Har major-game misconduct (spearing), :58; Brown, Phi (tripping), 3:22; Zalapski, Har (tripping), 15:51; Brind'Amour, Phi (slashing), 19:50 Third Period: Hartford, Kron 14 (Sanderson, Cassels), 1:24 (pp) Philadelphia, Beranek 15 (Lomakin, Yushkevich), 3:11 Philadelphia, Faust 2 (Brind'Amour, Roussel), 3:38 Penalties - Houda, Har (tripping), 4:20; Hawgood, Phi (holding), 5:30 Overtime: Philadelphia, Yushkevich 5 (Faust), 1:15. Penalties - None Power Play: Philadelphia 1 of 4, Hartford 1 of 4 Goalies: Philadelphia, Roussel 14-11-5 (30 shots - 26 saves) Hartford, Lenarduzzi, 1-1-1 (38 - 33) On the first Hartford goal, Gord Hynes misplayed the puck at the FLYERS blue line and Nylander stripped him and took off. The Recchi goal was a 2 on 1 with Lindros. The Bowen goal was just a puck he threw at the net, got a good carom and it ended up behind the goalie. On the second Nylander goal he got three whacks at the puck before it went in. This is the most frustrating part of the FLYERS defense. Take the body, and if they get one shot and beat you fine. Don't give them another chance. Carkner, Galley and McGill are all terrible about this, I'll bet money at least one of them was the closest FLYER to the play. That's all I have, my radio got bad after that and I was lucky to know who it was that scored, much less how. From what I heard, Roussel had a very strong game. After the game, Gene Hart asked Bobby Taylor to pick the three stars of the season rather than of the game. It was Garry Galley #3 for his career high point total (I'm surprised that a former goalie wouldn't look closer at his defensive play), Tommy Soderstrom #2 for his team record tying 5 shutouts in only about 1/2 a season and, Mark Recchi #1 for his all time high team single season scoring mark. But here's the odd part. He couldn't decide between Lindros and Recchi for number 1. If he picks Recchi as #1 after he had a hard time choosing between him and Lindros, doesn't that make Lindros #2???? What? You wanna know my three stars of the season? Well, since you asked... #1 Eric Lindros. Eric dominates a game simply by stepping out onto the ice. The difference between the team's record with him and without him is no accident. I believe that the team could have been almost as successful without Recchi. There is no question that this team is significantly better with Eric Lindros on it, and I think that he will deservedly wear the 'C' on his jersey next season. #2 Tommy Soderstrom. 5 shutouts was second in the league to only Ed Belfour, and Tommy didn't have a Chris Chelios (booo) in front of him. He also didn't play a complete season due to heart problems (sentimental edge here, my family has a history of heart problems). There's no question in my mind that Tommy Soderstrom is this teams goalie of the future, and if Roussel complains again about being number 2 look for him to be traded within 2 years. #3 Mark Recchi. Again, you can't argue with an all-time team high single season scoring mark. There are an awful lot of teams that didn't have a single player get as many points. Plus, Mark is the only FLYER to play the entire season. Not a tough choice. Honorable mentions: Rod Brind'Amour topped his single season high point total which he set last year. The difference was that he wasn't on the top line this year and didn't get as much playing time. Then again, he didn't get the defensive attention that he got last year from the other team either. Dimtri Yushkevich was the teams most consistent defenseman. Yes, he made rookie mistakes, but he was usually fast enough to make up for them. I have a feeling that with his shot he'll score a few more points next year without giving up anything in his own zone, and I suspect that he'll be the teams top defenseman in years to come. Garry Galley was the team's point leader from defensemen. Again, there are some things you just can't argue with. And he battled with chronic fatigue syndrome, he certainly deserves kudos for only missing one game, and that was against his wishes under doctors orders. But his defensive play often negates his offensive contribution. A little more caution, and a little bit smarter in his own end will make him a much more important part of the team next year. Brent Fedyk was the leagues biggest improvement over last years point total. But consistency became a problem for him. A couple misc notes mostly for mailing list members: Tom Misnik, a member of the mailing list, would like to exchange E-mail addresses with any list members who want to keep in touch over the summer. If you're interested, you can send him mail at: att!ACR.ORG!TMISNIK The FLYERS end the season 1 game below .500 in 5th place, their best winning percentage since going .500 in 1988-89. 14-20-3 within the division (4th in Patrick), 23-14-5 at home. They finished 17th overall, will draft 10th in next years entry draft (Quebec had the 1st rounder, though). They scored as many goals as they allowed, 319. The 8 straight wins is the most since they won 13 in a row in 1985. I will be sending out final stats as soon as I get the issue of the Hockey News that contains them, since there are no more games for me to go to I have no other way of getting them. I hope you've all enjoyed this years hockey season as much as I have. Knowing the future that we have coming to us made missing the playoffs one more time almost bearable. FLYERS team record watch: Eric Lindros: 41 goals, 34 assists, 75 points (rookie records) club record goals: club record points: Eric Lindros 40 1992-93 Dave Poulin 76 1983-84 Brian Propp 34 1979-80 Brian Propp 75 1979-80 Ron Flockhart 33 1981-82 Eric Lindros 75 1992-93 Dave Poulin 31 1983-84 Ron Flockhart 72 1981-82 Bill Barber 30 1972-73 Pelle Eklund 66 1985-86 Mark Recchi: 53 goals, 70 assists, 123 points. club record goals: club record points: Reggie Leach 61 1975-76 Mark Recchi 123 1992-93* Tim Kerr 58 1985-86,86-87 Bobby Clarke 119 1975-76 Tim Kerr 54 1983-84,84-85 Bobby Clarke 116 1974-75 Mark Recchi 53 1992-93* Bill Barber 112 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 50 1972-73 Bobby Clarke 104 1972-73 Bill Barber 50 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 100 1972-73 Reggie Leach 50 1979-80 *More than 80 games. FLYERS career years: Player Points Best Prior Season Mark Recchi 123 113 (90-91 Penguins) Rod Brind'Amour 86 77 (91-92 FLYERS) Garry Galley 62 38 (84-85 Kings) Brent Fedyk 59 35 (90-91 Red Wings) That's all for now... pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact and mailing list owner ";-1;0 "From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) Subject: FOR SALE: 550 ZEPHYR Summary: Tucson Area, moving to Bay Area Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 24 Hi boys and girls. I just bought a Beemer R80GS and realized abruptly that I am a grad student. I first sold my truck yesterday but I need to sell my Zephyr too. If I can sell it this month, great ... insurance and tags both run out in a couple of weeks. Otherwise I'll tag and insure it and see what happens. It's a very sweet bike. 6100 miles, almost all highway (AZ-WY-CO last summer, plus some great rides between here and the Border. Purchased new exactly one year ago (Apr '92), it's a '90 model. It has a good fairing and a luggage rack. Red; very clean. Perfect maintenance, no bullshit. I'll spare any further details other than to say (1) I want to keep it, and (2) somebody 5'7"" +/- 5"" will fit it like a charm. Not a bike for big people, but not a small bike. Standard, upright positioning and good-looking. Smooth power, great brakes, good Karma. - Erik /-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\ | | | DoD# 88888 asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu | | '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr (Erik Asphaug) | | '86 BMW R80GS | \-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/ ";-1;0 "From: shenoy@iastate.edu (Shiva Shenoy) Subject: Re: Windows Help Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 53 In <1993Apr20.072905.21404@fel.tno.nl> mveraart@fel.tno.nl (Mario Veraart) writes: >umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Qing Yin) writes: >>Hi, it's an *easy* question for you Windows gurus. I'd appreciate any help. >>We need to write an on-line help for our application. We don't have >>Windows Software Developer's Toolkit (yet :-) ). Since we just want to build >>a .HLP file around Windows' help engine, I hope it won't be that complicated? >>Anyway, could someone kindly give me some hints of how to build such an >>on-line help, if it does not take 100 pages to explain? Or if it is complicated, >>would you help to point out what I would need to do it? >>-- >>Vincent Q. Yin >>umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca >Hi, >If you have developed your own windows application you must have a >SDK of some sort that contains the HC.EXE or HC31.EXE file to >compile and generate .HLP files out of .RTF files. >RTF files are generated by a wordprocessor like Word for Dos or W4W. You do not need the SDK. What you need (and can get free) are Location: ftp.cica.indiana.edu index: /pub/pc/win3/INDEX First get /pub/pc/win3/uploads/what.zip (~1.3M) This contains the help compiler among other things. It is free from Microsoft. Then get these (I think these are free too) dir: /pub/pc/win3/programr files: hag.zip, whag.zip wfwhlp.zip These are shareware dir: /pub/pc/win3/util files: hwab21.zip, qdhelp.zip, qdtool.zip dir: /pub/pc/win3/winword files: drhelpev.zip (macros for word 2.0 to convert doc to hlp files). -------------------------------------------------------------------- Shiva Shenoy | e-mail: shenoy@iastate.edu 2066 Black,Dept of AEEM,ISU,Ames,IA 50010 | Office: (515)-294-0082 -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Shiva Shenoy | e-mail: shenoy@iastate.edu 2066 Black,Dept of AEEM,ISU,Ames,IA 50010 | Office: (515)-294-0082 ";6;1 "From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Hebrew labor: racist connotations Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500356:000:1777 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 23 15:18:00 1993 Lines: 37 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Hebrew labor: racist connotations AVODA IVRIT - HEBREW LABOR --------------------------------- ""Hebrew labor"" is a concept which has served the Zionist movement for a long time. It has a double-barreled message: 1) The new Jew must learn to do physical labor, i.e. working the land; 2) The land in this country must pass into Jewish hands, i.e. to the same new Jew who has ""learned"" to work it. Both aspects of the two-pronged concept of ""Hebrew labor"" have racist connotations. On the one hand, the diaspora Jew's lack of training in physical labor is a myth shared by Zionists and antisemites. On the other hand, its meaning in practice has been the displacement of the Arab farmer from the source of his livelihood. The occupation and the cheap Palestinian labor which streamed from the occupied territories to the factories, orchards, and hot-houses of Israel relegated the myth of ""Hebrew labor"" to the history books and nostalgic memories of the Zionist Movement. It has blossomed forth anew, however, as the government's answer to problems caused by the closure of the territories. Today too this concept has two functions: 1) to give a progressive look to the closing of the Palestinian population. Or in the words of Environment Minister Yossi Sarid, ""I have no tears for those who get rich off of cheap labor"". 2) to furnish an answer to the unemployed Israeli who complains of being obliged to work for wages that are lower than the unemployment insurance he receives. The Israeli government is considering plans to import labor from the far- East to replace native people, Palestinians, who work in their own country, thus creating conflicting interests between two ethnical communities and ruling over them. ";-1;0 "From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 16 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu In article Graham Toal writes: >Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen >to throw away her academic respectability like this. It looks to me >like a *major* Career Limiting Move. There can be very few people >who know what she's been saying who take her seriously any more. Actually, I've been following her remarks for some time, with interest. I'm also a member of academia, and her remarks have nothing but elevate her respectability in my eyes. It remains to be seen whether you are the radical fringe, or I. It is generally an error to assume that your beliefs are held by the majority, or even a sizable minority. Especially when you're seeing tens, nay dozens, of people on usenet agreeing with you. Andrew Molitor ";-1;0 "From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: KORESH IS GOD! In-Reply-To: <930416.141520.7h1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 15 >DATE: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:15:20 +0100 >FROM: mathew > >The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's >finished writing a sequel to the Bible. > >mathew Writing the Seven Seals or something along those lines. He's already written the first of the Seven which was around 30 pages or so and has handed it over to an assistant for PROOFREADING!. I would expect any decent messiah to have a built-in spellchecker. Maybe Koresh 2.0 will come with one. ";-1;0 "From: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet) Subject: Clipper Chip Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Paul Eric Stoufflet) Organization: Columbia University Distribution: usa Lines: 12 I thought that the Clipper Chip that was posted to t.p.g (sorry, I lost the original post) was a joke. I really did. I didn't believe it for a second. But on the way to work this morning, I heard about it on NPR. This scares me almost as much as the doublespeak emanating from the FBI and BATF in Waco. *** Paul Eric Stoufflet *** Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center *** internet: pes3@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu *** All opinions are my own ";3;1 "From: jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Summary: Fort Meade has LOTS of compute power...more than ANYWHERE else. Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr19.093227.1093@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> lewis@eecg.toronto.edu (david lewis) writes: >In article <16BB51156.C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) writes: >> >>strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >>> [..stuff deleted] >>But who would >>trust his/her confidential information to an encryption scheme that, for >>(say) $100,000 could by cracked one time in a hundred? (DES, for all the >>complaints about a 56-bit key, would probably cost several million dollars >>to build a keysearch machine for.) >> > >I can buy a DES keysearch machine off the shelf now for approx $500K, but >it is not sold by that name. Go buy a circuit emulation machine (eg. Quickturn) >containing a bunch of FPGAs, (say 500 to 1000 3090's), and program each >to be a DES search engine. Lets say 500 chips, running at 10Mhz = 5G tests/sec. >Time is 14e6 sec max = 23 weeks, 12 weeks average. Can't wait that long? >Buy a bigger machine. > Oh, but can Big Brother afford such things in these times of tight budgets? I don't know how many folks noticed it, but Dorothy ""Trust Me"" Denning gave a real clue to the current state of the art at NSA on decrypto machines when she said the NSA told her they didn't even want to be the holder of any part of the key. Now why is that? I doubt there is a trapdoor in Skipjack. (But we will never know). And I doubt the NSA would promote a mass market chip they couldn't compromise. Ergo, NSA is now capable of compromising (probably with brute force keysearch) engines of the complexity of Skipjack. Look at the specs. Why, I bet they have thousands of little chips chugging away in their crypto busters... Maybe even tens of thousands. Complexity? Not much more than a 3090. How many such machines will fit into Fort Meade? I think PGP2.3 should have 256 bit IDEA keys... -- Information farming at... For addr&phone: finger A/~~\A THE Ohio State University jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ((0 0))____ Jim Ebright e-mail: jre+@osu.edu \ / \ Support Privacy: Support Encryption (--)\ ";-1;0 "Subject: Broken rib From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C. Keywords: advice needed Summary: long term problems? Lines: 17 Hello, I am not sure if this is the right conference to ask this question, however, Here I go.. I am a commercial fisherman and I fell about 3 weeks ago down into the hold of the boat and broke or cracked a rib and wrenched and bruised my back and left arm. My question, I have been to a doctor and was told that it was best to do nothing and it would heal up with no long term effect, and indeed I am about 60 % better, however, the work I do is very hard and I am still not able to go back to work. The thing that worries me is the movement or ""clunking"" I feel and hear back there when I move certain ways... I heard some one talking about the rib they broke years ago and that it still bothers them.ÿ. any opinions? thanx and cheers jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross) The Old Frog's Almanac (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group) (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) Vancouver Island, British Columbia Waffle XENIX 1.64 ";-1;0 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Lines: 43 : From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) : In article <9304201003.AA05465@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: : >Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run : >digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets : >say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate : >be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? : As far as I know ISDN (call it Swissnet here, and it's being plugged in) it's : 8 bit 8000Hz (gives you one channel of 64kBit/sec) I guess you should not go : below a sampling rate of 6000 Hz if you want to have same quality as on an : analog-line. Anybody knows compression-algorithms & -factors for voice ? I've posted some info on CELP coding on sci.crypt. Looks like you can squeeze speech into 4000bps if you have a fast enough computer like a sparcstation (or a Newton with the Acorn Risc Machine in it :-) ) This drops the bandwidth to so low a figure that it's feasible to run speech over tcp/ip running on top of slip down a v32bis modem. Not only will this let us run point to point encrypted speech, it'll let us run speech internationally over the internet if no-one stops us by getting *very* heavy about regulations. The thought of this, if the administration realised, would probably scare them shitless. Now of course the trick is to develop and define a standard protocol for internet speech *damn fast*, allowing anyone who feels brave to inplement custom handheld hardware as well as us hacking it on our workstations. Shouldn't be too difficult. The CELP stuff is standardised, we use tcp/ip streams, and a protocol allowing silences to be used to catch up on any net lag, and also to avoid sending any data during silences (ie it's not wise to be synchronised real-time on each end because any net delays would add up to big voice-lags) As for me, I'm going to press ahead on trying this stuff as soon as I get my sparc back from being loaned out and buy the necessary microphone. It'll save me a fortune in calling my friend in texas every night :) (whether encrypted or not) You know, surely *someone* is working on this. Who? It's so obvious, why doesn't it exist already? I've only seen netphone for Suns and it didn't do the CELP compression so was restricted to ether connections. G ";-1;0 "From: seale@possum.den.mmc.com (Eric H Seale) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Nntp-Posting-Host: pogo.den.mmc.com Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver Lines: 8 baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >According the IAU Circular #5744, Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e, may be >temporarily in orbit around Jupiter. The comet had apparently made a >close flyby of Jupiter sometime in 1992 resulting in the breakup of the >comet. Ooooh -- who would have thought that Galileo would get the chance to check out a comet TOO?!? ";-1;0 "From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Space Station Redesign (30826) Option C Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr25.214653.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <1993Apr25.151108.1@aurora.alaska.edu>, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: > I like option C of the new space station design.. > It needs some work, but it is simple and elegant.. > > Its about time someone got into simple construction versus overly complex... > > Basically just strap some rockets and a nose cone on the habitat and go for > it.. > > Might be an idea for a Moon/Mars base to.. > > Where is Captain Eugenia(sp) when you need it (reference to russian heavy > lifter, I think). > == > Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked > > > > This is a report, I got the subject messed up.. ";-1;0 "From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Didn't the new study asked ""have you engaged in homosexual intercourse within the last two years"" whereas Kinsey asked ""have you ever engaged or thought about engaging in homosexual activity"". Sort of like the difference between ""did you have yogurt this morning"" and ""are you allergic to lactose"". -- -- Michal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Impressive amounts of material can be accreted in this manner. ";-1;0 "From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 58 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu al@escom.COM (Al Donaldson) writes: >amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >>Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some >>effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in >>the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, ... > >And if Richard Nixon had had this kind of toy, he wouldn't have had >to send people into the Watergate. > This appears to be generic calling upon the name of the anti-christ. Just for the hell of it, let's destroy this remark. Let us imagine that the executive branch actually could extract keys from the escrow houses without anyone knowing, or telling. Now what? Dick has 80 bits of data. What the hell's he gonna do with it? 1) Trot around to the telco and say 'we'd like an unauthorised decrypting tap'. Uh huh. 2) Break in to watergate and install his own tap (so his people still do have to break in, neat, huh?) record some noise, then get the Executive Branch Phone Decryption Box (huh? they've got one? Goodness, wait 'til the washington post gets hold of this) and decrypt the noise. 3) More likely, stare at the key, and say 'Oh, hell it's not worth all this bloody hassle' Truth is, even granted *lots* of covert power on the part of the Executive Branch, this system is *more* difficult to tap with than POTS gear. The fact that it is easier to tap than some hypothetical system neither you nor I am going to place on our phones is neither here nor there. The only rational concerns I am seeing raised are: a) is the key really just chopped in half, and not some XOR arrangement? That is, has some egregious technical error been built in to the plan? b) is this is the first step toward strict regulation of strong encryption? >But that's not really the issue. The real issue is whether this >will be used to justify a ban against individuals' use of private >(i.e., anything else) encryption methods. This is b), of course. I suspect not. If the government actually wanted to make such regs, they'd just do it. A few hundred people on Usenet yelling about it wouldn't even slow the machine down. Besides, who is this mysterious 'they' who's going to take away all our rights the instant we let our guard down? Congress? That gang of buffoons can't even balance their checkbooks. The FBI? But.. they don't make the laws. The NSA? Ditto. The white house? Bill Clinton is probably still looking for the bathroom. It's a big place, after all. Andrew > >Al ";-1;0 "From: garyg@warren.mentorg.com (Gary Gendel) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring. Organization: Mentor Graphics Corp. -- IC Group Lines: 42 Distribution: world Reply-To: garyg@warren.mentorg.com NNTP-Posting-Host: garyg.warren.mentorg.com In article 1834@cmkrnl.com, jeh@cmkrnl.com writes: >In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes: >> SO.. Here's my question. It seems to me that I'd have the >> same electrical circuit if I hooked the jumper from the neutral >> over to the ground screw on new 'three prong' grounding outlets. >> What's wrong with my reasoning here? > >What you CAN do if you want three-prong outlets without additional wiring is >to use a GFCI outlet (or breaker, but the outlet will be cheaper). In fact, >depending on where you are putting your new outlet(s), a GFCI may be *required*. You still need to supply a proper ground for a Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter! So rewiring is still a part of this job, however, the ground may be connected to a local earth ground, rather than back at the breaker box. As Jamie said, GFCI devices are required by code in a number of places, most notably: bathrooms, and outside the house. I do suggest the use of GFCI outlets, rather than the breakers. You will end up with much less headaches. Noise pickup in long cable runs is sometimes enough to cause frequent tripping of the breakers. GFCI devices do save lives, if you decide to install them, be sure to check them regularly (using the test button). Running the family business (electrical supplies and lighting) for many years, I have seen too many seasoned electricians fried, because they forgot to double check their common sense list. Please exercise caution. --- Gary Gendel Vice President: Current consulting assignment: Genashor Corp Mentor Graphics Corporation 9 Piney Woods Drive 15 Independence Boulevard Belle Mead, NJ 08502 Warren, NJ 07059 phone: (908) 281-0164 phone: (908) 604-0883 fax: (908) 281-9607 email: garyg@warren.mentorg.com ";-1;0 "From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch) Subject: Re: Need pinouts for a G8870 dtmf decoder chip Nntp-Posting-Host: bopper2.phx.mcd.mot.com Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az. Distribution: usa Lines: 59 In article mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce) writes: > >I bought this chip from Suncoast Technology and tried to build their >dtmf decoder circuit. But it's not working... > >If anyone has the pinouts and possibly the voltage specs I'd sure >appreciated it. I presume it is the M-8870 from Teltone Corporation. Pin Description 1 + input 2 - input 3 GS (gain select through use of feed back resistor) 4 Vref (reference voltage OUTPUT, about Vdd/2) 5 connect to Vss 6 connect to Vss 7 osc1 clock input 8 osc2 clock output (connect crystal across pins 7 and 8) 9 Vss 10 OE output enable (logic high allows data output) 11 Q1 data output 12 Q2 data output 13 Q3 data output 14 Q4 data output 15 StD Delayed Steering Output (any other company would call this 'data valid'.) 16 ESt Early Steering output, sort of like ""I'm starting to hear a tone"". 17 St/GT Steering input/guard time output 18 Vdd Power Supply : 4.75V min., 5.25V max. Current : 3.0mA Typ, 7.0mA max. BUT....... You really should have bought the Motorola part from me. :-) (I still have them in stock) John If someone could fax, email, or snail mail a copy >of the spec sheet for this chip that would be even better. :) > >Please email me if you can help. > >Thanks in advance, >-- >Mont Pierce > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Ham Call: KM6WT Internet: mont@netcom.com | >| bands: 80/40/20/15/10/2 IBM vnet: mont@vnet.ibm.com | >| modes: cw,ssb,fm | >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu I plan to post a summary of responses to this as soon as I have working code, which I will also include. The intersection of 3 planes method looks best, but my implementation based on a short article in Graphics Gems I doesn't work. I may be misinterpreting, of course. I had avoided the simultaneous solution of the plane equations in favor of dot and cross products, but the former may actually be better. In either case a matrix determinant needs to be computed (implicitly in the solution of linear equations). To get the planes, I was taking the midpoint of the line from, say, P1 to P2, and setting the normal as the ""normalized"" vector from P1 to P2. These just plugged into the formula in Graphics Gems. HOwever, the resulting center point is only occasionally equidistant from all 4 of my test points (for different tests). My matrix/vector math is very rusty, but it looks like I need to verify the formula, or use the simultaneous equation solution, which will require bringing in another routine I don't have (but should be easy to find). Another method is to first find the center of the circle defined by 2 sets of 3 points, and intersecting the normals from there. This would also define the circle center. However, small numerical imprecisions would make the lines not intersect. Supposedly 3 planes HAVE to intersect in a unique point if they are not parallel. Ed Thanks to all who answered so far. -- Ed Bolson University of Washington Cardiovascular Research (206)543-4535 bolson@u.washington.edu (preferred) bolson@max.bitnet bolson@milton.u.washington.edu (if you must) ";-1;0 "From: beaver@rot.qc.ca (Andre Boivert) Subject: Photoshop for Windows Organization: Groupe de Recherche Operationnelle en Telecommunication (ROT) Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 13 I am looking for comments from people who have used/heard about PhotoShop for Windows. Is it good? How does it compare to the Mac version? Is there a lot of bugs (I heard the Windows version needs ""fine-tuning)? Any comments would be greatly appreciated.. Thank you. Andre Boisvert beaver@rot.qc.ca ";-1;0 "From: savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy) Subject: Re: WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE SCORES? Reply-To: savoy@hg.uleth.ca Organization: University of Lethbridge Lines: 33 > (Sean Garrison) writes: >} Alright. I have one thing to say. I don't know if it's just me, but I >} thought this newsgroup is a place for discussion. Why must people >} constantly post these little messages about how a certain team is winning >} in a certain inning? I mean, come on! How many people are so dependent on >} this newsgroup that they have to find out the scores mid-game here? > cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: >amen. I hear ya, brother. > take a look at the timestamps on some > of the posts you read sometime--the propagation delays are significant, > often hours or even days, and even people who have access to machines ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > which are close to the poster on the network... Let's try WEEKS! It is April 18th today and I just finished reading posts regarding the Cleveland Indians boating tragedy. Needless to say, I don't want to read partial linescores of games played 3 weeks ago. As Charles mentioned (I excluded the quote): Join a mailing list if you want to woof (I consider entering 4th inning scores as woofing). Thank you. Now to plug on and read the rest of the posts about spring training... _____________________________________________________________________________ Jim Savoy University Of Lethbridge savoy@hg.uleth.ca Sigless and Bible Black ";-1;0 "From: Bob.Stettina@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Bob Stettina) Subject: NEW AIRCRAFT TU-154M Lines: 42 DJ> Subject: New aircraft TU-154M for leasing, set spare parts. >>>>>Category: Offers to leasing >>>>Headline: New Aircraft TU-154M >>>> >>>>Mr. Director Agabalaevich: >>>> >>>>BTW, are these guys out of their [....] minds, or was >>>>our propaganda so effective that they believe some >>>>netters could actually buy such stuff and land in >>>>their driveway? Too much soda pop, too quick... >>> >>Go look up Tu 154M, it should be in most AIRLINER hand-books. >> >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DJ> ~~ >>Sgt. D.J. Morton Environmental Resource Sciences >>Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment Trent University >> Peterborough, Ontario >> K9J 7B8 Canada DJ> There are a few things wrong with the potential sale of this DJ> aircraft: DJ> There is starting to be a glut of new aircraft on the market DJ> (Airlines are taking delivery, then mothballing their new DJ> planes). DJ> Unless the fuel efficiency is better than the Airbus 320 or DJ> Boeing 767, this plane is not economically feasible for the DJ> major players (airlines). Unless the price is real cheap, and DJ> you have an owner that doesn't care about fuel economy (Saudi DJ> Family, maybe??) sales ought to be pretty glim. Ummm... I'd be surprised if you couldn't find a gov't aid program to subsidize and/or underwrite the lease... that could make it quite an attractive arrangement... Bizarre? Yes. Impossible? Not really... ... Life is like... an analogy! Yeah! That's the ticket! ";-1;0 "From: ado@quince.bbn.com (Buz Owen) Subject: Performa 450 internal modem? Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: quince.bbn.com I hear that the Performa 450 is really an LCIII with an internal modem. Can the modem part be obtained and installed in an LCIII? It would be nice if it were actually a powerbook internal modem, but that might be too much to hope for. ";-1;0 "From: masika@bnr.ca (Nicholas Masika) Subject: FileManager: strange sizes in summary line Lines: 25 Reply-To: masika@bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research I have just noticed my FileManager doing something strange recently. Usually, the line at the bottom of the FileManager (the status bar, I guess) displays the total disk space and the total number of bytes for the current selection. If I select a whole bunch of files, I will get an exact byte count. Recently, I notice it incorrectly displays this count; it's truncating! If I select a file that is, say, 532 bytes, it correctly displays '532 bytes'. If I select select a file that is 23,482 bytes, it displays '23 bytes', not 23 Kbytes, just 23 bytes! If I select 893,352 it will report only 893 bytes in the selection. If I select over a Meg worth of files, say 3,356,345 it reports 3 bytes! It's as if it's got a problem with displaying more than 3 characters! My system: 486DX/33, 8M memory, Stacker 3.0, DOS 5, Win 3.1. I've run the latest virus scanners (scan102, f-prot) and they didn't report anything. Could I have unknowingly altered something that controls the formatting of the status bar in the FileManger? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ Nicholas Masika, masika@bnr.ca _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ (613) 765-4893 / fax:765-4309 _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ OPC Development Operations ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";6;1 "From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) Subject: Russian Phobos Mission Organization: California State University, Sacramento Lines: 6 Did the Russian spacecraft(s) on the ill-fated Phobos mission a few years ago send back any images of the Martian moon? If so, does anyone know if they're housed at an ftp site? Thanks. ";-1;0 "From: spl@dim.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) Subject: Re: Finding equally spaced points on a sphere. Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource Lines: 326 NNTP-Posting-Host: dim.ucsd.edu In article <4615trd@rpi.edu> deweeset@ptolemy2.rdrc.rpi.edu (Thomas E. DeWeese) writes: > Hello, I know that this has been discussed before. But at the time >I didn't need to teselate a sphere. So if any kind soul has the code >or the alg, that was finally decided upon as the best (as I recall it >was a nice, iterative subdivision meathod), I would be very >appreciative. Here is one by Andrew ""Graphics Gems"" Glassner that I got from a collegue of mine. I think I fiddled with it a little bit to make it deal with whatever bizarre problem I was working on at the time but it is known to work. spl - - - - /* spheres ASG 9 Feb 85 spl Thu Mar 8 17:17:40 EST 1990 */ #include #include #define PI 3.141592654 struct Point_struct { double x, y, z; }; static double radius; static double xorg; static double yorg; static double zorg; do_sphere( r, freq, x, y, z ) double r; int freq; double x; double y; double z; { int pole; double northy, southy, poley; double rtheta, rtheta2, ntheta, ntheta2, magicangle; double theta, thetastart, thisy, den, t; struct Point_node *pnp; struct Point_struct p1, p2, p3, p4, n1, n2, n3, n4, pt; radius = r; xorg = x; yorg = y; zorg = z; /* north pole */ magicangle = 30.0*PI/180.0; northy = radius*sin(magicangle); southy = -radius*sin(magicangle); for (pole=0; pole<2; pole++) { if (pole==0) { poley=radius; thisy=northy; thetastart=0.0; } else { poley= -radius; thisy=southy; thetastart=36.0; } for ( theta = thetastart; theta < 360.0; theta += 60.0 ) { rtheta = theta*PI/180.0; rtheta2 = (theta+60.0)*PI/180.0; p1.x = 0.0; p1.y = poley; p1.z = 0.0; p2.x = radius*cos(rtheta); p2.y = thisy; p2.z = radius*sin(rtheta); p3.x = radius*cos(rtheta2); p3.y = thisy; p3.z = radius*sin(rtheta2); if (pole==0) { /* make ring go the other way so normals are right */ pt.x = p3.x; pt.y = p3.y; pt.z = p3.z; p3.x = p2.x; p3.y = p2.y; p3.z = p2.z; p2.x = pt.x; p2.y = pt.y; p2.z = pt.z; } den = (p1.x*p1.x)+(p1.y*p1.y)+(p1.z*p1.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p1.x *= t; p1.y *= t; p1.z *= t; } den = (p2.x*p2.x)+(p2.y*p2.y)+(p2.z*p2.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p2.x *= t; p2.y *= t; p2.z *= t; } den = (p3.x*p3.x)+(p3.y*p3.y)+(p3.z*p3.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p3.x *= t; p3.y *= t; p3.z *= t; } subdivide_tri(&p1,&p2,&p3,freq); } } /* now the body */ for (theta=0.0; theta<360.0; theta += 60.0) { rtheta = theta*PI/180.0; rtheta2 = (theta+60.0)*PI/180.0; ntheta = (theta+36.0)*PI/180.0; ntheta2 = (theta+96.0)*PI/180.0; p1.x = radius*cos(rtheta); p1.y = northy; p1.z = radius*sin(rtheta); p2.x = radius*cos(rtheta2); p2.y = northy; p2.z = radius*sin(rtheta2); p3.x = radius*cos(ntheta); p3.y = southy; p3.z = radius*sin(ntheta); p4.x = radius*cos(ntheta2); p4.y = southy; p4.z = radius*sin(ntheta2); den = (p1.x*p1.x)+(p1.y*p1.y)+(p1.z*p1.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p1.x *= t; p1.y *= t; p1.z *= t; } den = (p2.x*p2.x)+(p2.y*p2.y)+(p2.z*p2.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p2.x *= t; p2.y *= t; p2.z *= t; } den = (p3.x*p3.x)+(p3.y*p3.y)+(p3.z*p3.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p3.x *= t; p3.y *= t; p3.z *= t; } den = (p4.x*p4.x)+(p4.y*p4.y)+(p4.z*p4.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p4.x *= t; p4.y *= t; p4.z *= t; } subdivide_tri(&p1,&p2,&p3,freq); subdivide_tri(&p3,&p2,&p4,freq); } return; } #define norm_pt(v) { register double r = sqrt( ( ( v )->x * ( v )->x ) + \ ( ( v )->y * ( v )->y ) + \ ( ( v )->z * ( v )->z ) ); \ ( v )->x /= r; \ ( v )->y /= r; \ ( v )->z /= r; \ } subdivide_tri(p1,p2,p3,a) struct Point_struct *p1, *p2, *p3; int a; { struct Point_struct n1, n2, n3; struct Point_struct p12, p13, p23; double den, t; if (a>0) { p12.x = (p1->x+p2->x)/2.0; p12.y = (p1->y+p2->y)/2.0; p12.z = (p1->z+p2->z)/2.0; den = (p12.x*p12.x)+(p12.y*p12.y)+(p12.z*p12.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p12.x *= t; p12.y *= t; p12.z *= t; } p13.x = (p1->x+p3->x)/2.0; p13.y = (p1->y+p3->y)/2.0; p13.z = (p1->z+p3->z)/2.0; den = (p13.x*p13.x)+(p13.y*p13.y)+(p13.z*p13.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p13.x *= t; p13.y *= t; p13.z *= t; } p23.x = (p2->x+p3->x)/2.0; p23.y = (p2->y+p3->y)/2.0; p23.z = (p2->z+p3->z)/2.0; den = (p23.x*p23.x)+(p23.y*p23.y)+(p23.z*p23.z); den = sqrt(den); if (den != 0.0) { t = radius / den; p23.x *= t; p23.y *= t; p23.z *= t; } subdivide_tri(p1, &p12,&p13,a-1); subdivide_tri(&p12, p2, &p23,a-1); subdivide_tri(&p13,&p23, p3, a-1); subdivide_tri(&p12,&p23,&p13,a-1); } else { n1.x = p1->x; n1.y = p1->y; n1.z = p1->z; norm_pt(&n1); n2.x = p2->x; n2.y = p2->y; n2.z = p2->z; norm_pt(&n2); n3.x = p3->x; n3.y = p3->y; n3.z = p3->z; norm_pt(&n3); /* nothing special about this poly */ printf( ""%f %f %f %f %f %f\n"", p1->x + xorg, p1->y + yorg, p1->z + zorg, n1.x, n1.y, n1.z ); printf( ""%f %f %f %f %f %f\n"", p2->x + xorg, p2->y + yorg, p2->z + zorg, n2.x, n2.y, n2.z ); printf( ""%f %f %f %f %f %f\n"", p3->x + xorg, p3->y + yorg, p3->z + zorg, n3.x, n3.y, n3.z ); } return; } -- Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608 ""My other car is a car, too."" - Bumper strip seen on I-805 ";-1;0 "From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) Subject: Re: Half-page hand scanners? Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu The Logitech ScanMan 32 is a nice unit, compact and effective it will bring in graphics with surprisingly good quality. Note that its effective resolution in grey scale mode is only about 72 dpi. If you don't intend to magnify a graphic, it works fine. A true 256 level gray scanner would work better for images. I've seen the ScanMan go for as little as $100 used. It is a reasonable buy at that price. Higher end hand scanners are almost as expensive as used flat bed scanners. Here is Seattle, the paper shows occasional good bargains in the classifieds. Used color flat beds have been seen as lows as $500 lately. Grey scale flatbeds come in around $300-$350. ";-1;0 "From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) Subject: Drug Use Up Among U.S. Eighth-graders Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater Keywords: youths drugs LSD inhalants Lines: 87 The article that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14, 1993 issue of USA Today (""Drug Use Up Among U.S. eighth-graders"" by Mike Snider, p. 6D). A new national survey says drugs are easier to get, more teens are using them and fewer deem drug use as risky. For the last two years, government officials have trumpeted results from the National High School Survey as signs that the drug war is being won. But this year, officials are retreating - drug use by eighth-graders has risen, according to the survey of 50,000 students nationwide. Possible reason for the increase: more experimentation. Why? If drug use dropped during the '80s, eventually some students will have fewer ""drug-using contemporaries"" who act as examples of substance abuse's drawbacks, says social psychologist Lloyd Johnston, one of the survey authors. Each new wave of youths ""must be given the knowledge, skills and motivation to resist using these drugs,"" Johnston says. This type of resurgence ""is possible,"" says Eileen Shiff, author of ""Experts Advise Parents"" (Delta, $14.95). But that's not the issue, she says. The prevalence of alcohol and drugs among teens today could result in more alcoholic adults decades from now. Aggravating the problem: baby boomer parents - who experimented with drugs and alcohol as teens - trying to be friends, not parents, to their children. ""I've even seen parents serving kegs of beer"" to their underage kids and friends, Shiff says. For a recent graduation, Shiff and other parents organized an all-night, ""lock-in"" party where no booze or drugs were allowed. ""We need to fulfill that parental role, otherwise the peer group takes over,"" she says. Officials may ""talk about the war on drugs, but they really haven't done anything that I've seen,"" says Suzanne Linkous, Scottsdale, Ariz., 16, a volunteer who talks with teens about drugs, dating and other issues on a peer counseling and suicide hot line. Linkous, a member of USA Today's Teen Panel, says ""there's always going to be experimentation"" with drugs. A real war on drugs could be waged ""education-wise,"" she says. But ""some don't want to give kids the facts. They think it will give them ideas; it's the same with birth control. I think you should give the kids the information or have it accessible"" through classes, pamphlets and speakers, she says. Education efforts need to start as soon as kids get in school - in kindergarten, says Dallas Owens, 17, teen panelist from Miami Shores, Fla. ""I remember in kindergarten, I used to see (drugs). I think kids in the 10th and 12th grades have already made up their minds (about using drugs),"" he says. Scare tactics in public service announcements aren't working; only one commercial has gotten it right, he says. The commercial opens with two ""good-looking girls"" in the restroom talking about having no prom date. Then they take a hit off a joint. ""That hits home because it's not attractive,"" he says. ""You can't be doing drugs if you want somebody to like you."" Adolescents' choices Drugs used by eighth graders in the last month: Estimated, per 100 students 1991 1992 Pct. chg. Alcohol 25.1 26.1 +4% Cigarettes 14.3 15.5 +8% Marijuana 3.2 3.7 +16% Amphetamines 2.6 3.3 +27% LSD 0.6 0.9 +50% Cocaine 0.5 0.7 +40% Crack 0.3 0.5 +67% Source: University of Michigan Institute for Social Research, 1993 report Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot Before: ""David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the Bible through the barrel of a gun..."" --ATF spokesman After: ""[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..."" --Me ";-1;0 "From: neuhaus@bloch.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern)) Subject: Re: PGP 2.2: general comments Nntp-Posting-Host: bloch.informatik.uni-kl.de Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany Lines: 39 neuhaus@vier.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern)) writes: >[Lots of stuff.] I hate to follow up to my own posting, but I should perhaps clarify some things so I won't get flamed. First of all, when I'm talking about ``factoring the modulus'' or a ``breakthrough in factoring'', what I really mean is a breakthrough in the cryptanalysis of RSA. I know that factoring and breaking RSA are not proven to be equivalent; it's just so damn convenient not to repeat this every time. I also have to admit that I don't really know if the ``non-group'' property of a cipher is essential only for key chaining. I have thought about it a little while, but I can't find a way that a cryptanalyst could exploit a group structure. That, of course, means nothing at all. Then I wrote, >Please note that as long as it is much harder to factor a RSA modulus >than it is to generate it, the increase in computer speed alone will >keep key lengths and modulus factoring in lock-step, i.e., people will >simply start using longer moduli and still be safe. What I meant was that as long as the only advantage of the cryptanalyst is a faster computer, then we will probably have RSA for a long time to come, because even if 1024-bit moduli somehow could be broken with fast computers (not with a new algorithm), then people would simply use longer moduli. Both users and cryptanalysts benefit from better technology in the same way. Hope this keeps the flames away... Have fun. -- Stephan sig closed for inventory. Please leave your pickaxe outside. PGP 2.2 public key available on request. Note the expiration date. ";-1;0 "From: lord@andersen.com (Bob Lord) Subject: Re: Duo Dock problems Organization: Andersen Consulting -- CSTaR Lines: 37 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: grant.cstar.andersen.com In phil@csc.liv.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson) writes: >Has anyone had any problems with their Duo Dock not ejecting the Duo >properly? >When I first got it, the Duo would come out of the Dock a couple of inches >when ejected, and I had to pull it the rest of the way. Nowadays (and I've >had the system for 4 months), the Duo doesn't come out *at* *all* - despite >the fact that the mechanism makes all the appropriate noises, and I have to >grab hold of it and pull it out myself. Is there a simple fix for this, or >do I have to return it to my Apple Dealer, where it will languish for weeks >while I have to make do with no colour display, no VRAM, no floppy or >SCSI etc. >(BTW, it's not that the Duo is locked into the Dock - it just doesn't >want to slide out any more). >-- >Phil Jimmieson, *********************************************** >Computer Science Dept., * JANET : phil@uk.ac.liv.csc * >Liverpool University, * INTERNET : phil@csc.liv.ac.uk * >PO Box 147 *********************************************** >Liverpool L69 3BX ""I was head over heels in love until I got cramp"" >(UK) 051-794-3689 Also, has anyone heard any rumors that the new docks (the ones with the CPU :-) will be better designed that this first batch? I love my Duo, but installing cards in the dock is not much fun. -Bob -- Bob Lord 100 South Wacker Room 932 Network Manager Chicago IL, 60606 CSTaR Group, Andersen Consulting 312-507-5353 lord@andersen.com ";-1;0 "From: drt@athena.mit.edu (David R Tucker) Subject: Re: Question: Jesus alone, Oneness Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 89 Regarding ""Jesus only"" believers, our moderator writes: [There may be some misunderstanding over terms here...] I agree. Quite likely, actually. [...I believe ""Jesus only"" originally was in the context of baptism. These are folks who believe that baptism should be done with a formula mentioning only Jesus, rather than Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This may have doctrinal implications, but as far as I know it does not mean that these folks deny the existence or divinity of the Father. I'm not the right one to describe this theology, and in fact I think there may be several, including what would classically be called monophysite or Arian (two rather different views), as well as some who have beliefs that are probably consistent with Trinitarian standards, but who won't use Trinitarian language because they misunderstand it or simply because it is not Biblical. --clh] Not Biblical? What then can they make of the end of Matthew? (28:18)And Jesus came and said to them, ""All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. (19)Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (20) and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded to you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age."" {Other ancient authorities add *Amen*} [NRSV] The notes give no sense that this is emended. Do other texts contradict this regarding Baptism? Or is a misunderstanding of the Trinity the most likely explanation after all? But maybe I simply misunderstand their views. (Is anyone else out there forced to read this group with both a good Bible and an unabridged dictionary?? Christianity really is an education in itself.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |David R. Tucker KG2S drt@athena.mit.edu| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Arrgggghhhh. When I talked about people who rejected Trinitarian language as unBiblical, I was speaking of Trinitarian theology, things like ""one essense and three persons"". Obviously the three-fold baptismal formula is Biblical, as you point out. (I normally use the term ""three-fold"" in referring to Mat. While it is certainly consistent with belief in the Trinity, the Trinity is a doctrine whose full formulation occurred in the 4th and 5th Cent's. It's unlikely that Mat. had in mind the fully-developed Trinitarian doctrine. Indeed the three-fold baptismal formula is used by some groups that do not believe in the Trinity.) The disagreement over baptismal formulae occurs because of passages such as Acts 2:38, which command baptism in the name of Jesus. (There are a couple of other passages in Acts as well.) This leaves us with sort of a problem: we're commanded in Mat. to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and in Acts to baptize in the name of Jesus. ""Jesus only"" groups baptize in the name of Jesus. They consider this consistent with Mat 28:18, because they say that Jesus is the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I'm not the right one to ask to explain what this means. I will simply say that it does not appear to be normal Trinitarian theology. (It is also an odd way of dealing with the idiomatic phrase ""in the name of"".) Those who use the three-fold formula don't seem to have a standard answer to the passages talking about baptizing in the name of Jesus. I suspect that the most common explanation is to say that ""in the name of"" need not be a verbal formula. To say that you baptize in the name of Jesus may simply mean that you are doing baptism under Jesus' authority. In the 1st Cent. context, it contrasts Christian baptism with the baptism of John or other Jewish baptism. Of course there's a certain parallelism between these passages. That suggests that we could just as well say that Mat 28:18 doesn't require the specific three-fold formula to be used in baptism, but simply characterizes baptism done by those who follow the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One might well suspect that in the early church, more than one baptismal formula was used. So long as we consider following Jesus to be the same as following the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, no great damage would be done by such a difference. This does *not* mean that I think we should go back to using both formulae. Baptism is one of the few things that almost all Christian groups now recognize mutually, so I do not think doing something to upset that would be in the interests of the Gospel. This is reinforced by the fact that those groups that actually use ""in the name of Jesus"" now do seem to have in mind a difference in doctrine. But as I've said before, I'm not the one to explain what their doctrine is. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) Subject: Re: Perfect MAG MX15F Monitors? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu Article #60579 (60704 is last): From: r0h7630@tamuts.tamu.edu (Rithea Hong) >Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware Subject: Re: Perfect MAG MX15F Monitors? Date: Sat Apr 17 07:13:05 1993 A friend of mine got a Mag of the above model and it had some distrotion, so he sent it back. Unfortunately, the replacement also was distorted. I would bet it's a common problem. The best advice I've heard when buying monnitors is to actually look at the specific one you will buy (as opposed to model) since monitor manufacturing even from ""Big Names"" still tends to produce alot of monitors with visible defects. Rithea Hong (r0h7630@tamuts.tamu.edu) End of File, Press RETURN to quit Just to name two at the top of my list of crap monitor makers are, SONY & MAGNAVOX...Sam -- Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... ";-1;0 "From: ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng) Subject: Selling a car through a car hunter Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA Distribution: na Lines: 16 Anybody got any good/bad experience with selling their car through one of those car hunters? I'm selling a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T and I was contacted by this company called the Markham group based out of Illinois. They said they have 7-10 buyers in my area interested in my car or they wouldn't be talking to me. They talked to me for a good 20 minutes asking everything about my car and said they could sell it no problem. They guaranteed that if they didn't sell my car in 75 days, I would get my money back ($389) and since I charged it, I'm protected by federal law which states that if I'm not satisfied, I would get a refund (which is true). They federal expressed all the paperwork to me which had a contract stating their policy about the 75 days and such. I called up the BBB in Illinois and they do not have a file on them which is good news. So they definitely are a legitimate company but so far, it's been over week and I have gotten nothing. So how effective are these types of companies? Anybody care to share their experiences? ";10;1 "From: nhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Neal Patrick Howland) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee) writes: >It used to be that the only way the law could be enforced was for >an officer to actually see the radar detector. Not any more! Many >law enforcement agencies are now using radar detector detectors. >Right, a super sensitive receiver that is capable of picking up RF >from the radar detector itself. My first reaction was ""no way!"" >But, guess again, these little buggers really work and the police >are writing citations right and left for people using radar >detectors. One news story quoted an officer as saying that he had >found the radar detector in all of the cars he stopped except one, >and he could never figure out where it was - but he knew it was >there. This tends to make one assume there are few false arrest. From what I understand about radar dectectors all they are is a passive device much like the radio in your car. They work as an antenna picking up that radar signals that the radar gun sends out. Therefore there would be no way of detecting a radar detector any more than there would be of detecting whether some one had a radio in their car. Neal Howland nhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu ";-1;0 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?) Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr17.225127.25062@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes: >You exagerate to the point of libel. I gave only unpopular reasons >deliberately. Or do you think that we should have let Iraq absorb Kuwait? >I could make the tired old 1939 Poland comparison, but I think you've >heard it. But the principle aplies, never play a Chamberlain and >roll over to another country being invaded. That only invites further >invasions. Perhaps we ought not to have supported a known genocidist? Provided him with weapon systems, tactical support, technology, etc. We made Suddam Hussein. What did Bush call him? Oh yes, an ally and a freind. --- "" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too."" John Laws Local GOP Reprehensitive Extolling ""Traditional Family Values."" ";-1;0 "From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Indiana University Lines: 13 I've just read Carol's response and I just had to get into this. I've got some verses which are not subject to interpretation because they say what they say. They are 2 Peter 1:20-21, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, and Galatians 1:11-12. Also, based on the fact that Jesus is the Word incarnate and he judges people if they follow him (see Acts 17:29-31 and John 5:21-27) and that those who reject Jesus' teachings are judged by the very words he spoke (see John 12:47-50), then Jesus' words are true and do not need interpretation, nor would it be just of God to judge based on his word if it had to be interpreted. Joe Fisher ";17;1 "From: cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) Subject: Stop predicting Originator: cdkaupan@c00544-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 10 It is really annoying to see all of these predictions on the Net. Who really cares who you think will win? Please stop with the predictions, we all know the Caps are going to win the Cup, so let it go at that. 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So far so good... > ``I came here as an old friend of this country...to help in solving >the burning problem of Bosnia-Herzegovina,'' Mitsotakis told reporters >after talking for two hours with President Slobodan Milosevic of Serbia. Old friend, whatever.... > ``I did not come here to discuss any particular plan. I came to hear >the Serbian point of view,'' he said, adding that Serbia is ``sincerely >trying to bring peace to the region.'' That is a great attitude for someone who wants to pressure the Serbs to accept a peace plan that gives them most of the territory they got by force and terror. > Milosevic said that Serbia and Greece had ``practically identical >views'' on the Bosnian war, which started late in March 1992 when the this is a good thing to hear. Anybody wondering why Serbia is not really under any boycott? Anybody remembers the Gulf war? Did Saddam kill 100,000 people and rape 50,000 women? > In an effort to pressure Milosevic, who is considered to be the main >patron of Serbian territorial conquest in Bosnia, the U.N. Security >Council has threatened to impose new sanctions against Serbia and >Montenegro and implement a no-fly zone over Bosnian skies. Still in the threatening stage.. Maybe when there is no more Bosnians, the UN will lift the arms Embargo on them! Military intervention? that is reserved for Muslim countries. NOW HEAR THIS: > After meeting Milosevic, Mitsotakis had separate talks with Radovan >Karadzic, the leader of Bosnian Serbs. > ``I encouraged Mr. Karadzic to proceed with his efforts to achieve a >just peace in the region,'' he said. > ``We are ready to play a positive role in the Balkans,'' said >Mitsotakis. real positive I might add, in favor of his old freinds of course! > Karadzic said that he was ``honored'' to meet the Greek premier. > ``Greeks are not one sided, and they do not tend to condemn only one You bet they are not! >side in this war,'' said Karadzic. > ``We will continue to negotiate on all levels,'' he said. > Before meeting with Milosevic, Mitsotakis had talks with President >Dobrica Cosic of the federal Yugoslav union of Serbia and Montenegro, >and Patriarch Pavle, the head priest of the Serbian Orthodox Church. Anybody is still convinced that this is not a religious war? A psychopath like Karadzik is considered a peacelover.. Of course he sent 100,000 muslims to permanent peace. With the blessings of Patriarch Pavle. ";-1;0 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: Burden of Proof Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr21.182030.888@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >Actually, both are positive arguments. (""Positive"" may not be the best >description here due to possible misunderstanding, but it's the term you >used.) Positive arguments/assertions can be both affirmative (i.e. God >exists) and negative (i.e. God does not exist). Both carry an equal >burden of proof because they are both asserting that a certain idea >is true. The default condition, in the absence of a preponderance of >evidence either way, is that the proposition or assertion is undecidable. >And the person who takes the undecidable position and says that he/she >simply disbelieves that the proposition is true, is the only one who >holds no burden of proof. This is why the so-called ""weak atheist"" >position is virtually unassailable -- not because it stands on a firm >foundation of logical argument, but because it's proponents simply >disbelieve in the existence of God(s) and therefore they hold no burden >of proof. When you don't assert anything, you don't have to prove >anything. That's where weak atheism draws its strength. But its >strength is also its Achilles' heel. Without assertions/axioms, one >has no foundation upon which to build. As a philosophy, it's virtually >worthless. IMO, of course. So, if I were to assert that there are no thousand year old invisible pink unicorns* residing in my walls, I need to support this with evidence? I think the _lack_ of evidence shall suffice. * Who happen to like listening to satanic messages found in playing Beethoven's 45th symphony backwards. --- ""FBI officials said cult leader David Koresh may have forced followers to remain as flames closed in. Koresh's armed guard may have injected as many as 24 children with poison to quiet them."" - ""And God saw everything he had made, and, behold, in was very good."" Genesis 1:31 ";19;1 "From: franko@cco.caltech.edu (Frank Filipanits) Subject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu > > Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found > > on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would > > be greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance. >HAP controls just outside Chicago sells these. > Andrew MacRae Actually, it's HAPP, and some of their equipment can be found in the Parts Express catalog (1-800-338-0531). They show switches for $2, joysticks for $13 and trackballs for $80. They also have pinball parts. Good luck. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Frank Filipanits Jr. B.S. EE/Music, California Institute of Technology '92 Audio Consultant M.S. Music Engineering, University of Miami '94 franko@alumni.caltech.edu ""No, officer, I don't know how fast I was going."" ";-1;0 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Let's build software cryptophones for over the internet... Lines: 27 I forwarded an old posting about CELP speech compression: In case you'd like to experiment with CELP, you can obtain a software implementation of the 4800 bps Fed Std CELP coder for free: The U.S. DoD's Federal-Standard-1016 based 4800 bps code excited linear prediction voice coder version 3.2 (CELP 3.2) Fortran and C simulation source codes are now available for worldwide distribution at no charge (on DOS diskettes, but configured to compile on Sun SPARC stations) from: I've since been told that the source of this is on cygnus.com in /pub/celp.speech.tar.Z I'm not in a position to; any Sun tcp/ip gurus out there who think they can marry this with netfone by the end of the week? ;-) Seriously. I think someone with real net access and two sparcs could have this running by the end of the week. Then we ask the pgp guys to add a bytestream crypto filter. Two weeks at the most. [Damn, I wish I had my sparc back... I'm stuck on a 25mhz 386sx] Share and Enjoy! G PS You'll have to use archie to find netfone - I have a copy but no note of where it's from; author in the docs is kelvin@autodesk.com and he appears to be located in France ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Trying to view POV files..... From: dane@nermal.santarosa.edu (Dane Jasper) Organization: Santa Rosa Junior College, Santa Rosa, CA Nntp-Posting-Host: nermal.santarosa.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 15 Edward d Nobles (ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU) wrote: : I've been trying to view .tga files created in POVRAY. I have the Diamond : SpeedStar 24 Video board (not the _24X_). So far I can convert them to : jpeg using cjpeg and view them with CVIEW but that only displays 8 bit color. .. : Just want to see the darn things in real color... I have an ATI ultra pro card, and have found that the easiest way to view true color images is using their windows drivers and something like winjpeg or photofinish. If anyone has a non-windows solution, I'd love to hear it! Dane ";1;1 "From: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: Privacy & Anonymity on the Internet FAQ (2 of 3) Supersedes: Organization: TMP Enterprises Lines: 1543 Expires: 21 May 1993 04:00:06 GMT Reply-To: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Email and account privacy, anonymity, file encryption, academic computer policies, relevant legislation and references, EFF, and other privacy and rights issues associated with use of the Internet and global networks in general. X-Last-Updated: 1993/03/04 Archive-name: net-privacy/part2 Last-modified: 1993/3/3 Version: 2.1 IDENTITY, PRIVACY, and ANONYMITY on the INTERNET ================================================ (c) 1993 L. Detweiler. Not for commercial use except by permission from author, otherwise may be freely copied. Not to be altered. Please credit if quoted. SUMMARY ======= Email and account privacy, anonymity, file encryption, academic computer policies, relevant legislation and references, EFF, and other privacy and rights issues associated with use of the Internet and global networks in general. (Search for <#.#> for exact section. Search for '_' (underline) for next section.) PART 2 ====== (this file) Resources --------- <4.1> What UNIX programs are related to privacy? <4.2> How can I learn about or use cryptography? <4.3> What is the cypherpunks mailing list? <4.4> What are some privacy-related newsgroups? FAQs? <4.5> What is internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)? <4.6> What are other Request For Comments (RFCs) related to privacy? <4.7> How can I run an anonymous remailer? <4.8> What are references on privacy in email? <4.9> What are some email, Usenet, and internet use policies? <4.10> What is the MIT ``CROSSLINK'' anonymous message TV program? Miscellaneous ------------- <5.1> What is ``digital cash''? <5.2> What is a ``hacker'' or ``cracker''? <5.3> What is a ``cypherpunk''? <5.4> What is `steganography' and anonymous pools? <5.5> What is `security through obscurity'? <5.6> What are `identity daemons'? <5.7> What standards are needed to guard electronic privacy? Issues ------ <6.1> What is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)? <6.2> Who are Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)? <6.3> What was `Operation Sun Devil' and the Steve Jackson Game case? <6.4> What is Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN)? <6.5> What is the National Research and Education Network (NREN)? <6.6> What is the FBI's proposed Digital Telephony Act? <6.7> What other U.S. legislation is related to privacy on networks? <6.8> What are references on rights in cyberspace? <6.9> What is the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) archive? Footnotes --------- <7.1> What is the background behind the Internet? <7.2> How is Internet `anarchy' like the English language? <7.3> Most Wanted list <7.4> Change history * * * RESOURCES ========= _____ <4.1> What UNIX programs are related to privacy? For more information, type `man [cmd]' or `apropos [keyword]' at the UNIX shell prompt. passwd - change password finger - obtain information about a remote user chfn - change information about yourself obtainable by remote users (sometimes `passwd -f') chmod - change the rights associated with a file or directory umask - (shell) change the default (on creation) file access rights ls - list the rights associated with files and directories xhost - allow or disable access control of particular users to an Xwindow server last - list the latest user logins on the system and their originations who - list other users, login/idle times, originations w - list other users and what they are running xhost - access control list for X Window client use xauth - control X Window server authentication .signature - file in the home directory appended to USENET posts .forward - file used to forward email to other accounts .Xauthority - file used for X Window server authentication keys $SIGNATURE - variable used for name in email and USENET postings The 'tcpdump' packet-tracing program is loosely based on SMI's ""etherfind"" although none of the etherfind code remains. It was originally written by Van Jacobson, Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, as part of an ongoing research project to investigate and improve tcp and internet gateway performance. A current version is available via anonymous ftp from host ftp.ee.lbl.gov (currently at address 128.3.254.68) file tcpdump.tar.Z (a compressed Unix tar file). This program is subject to the 'standard' Berkeley network software copyright. _____ <4.2> How can I learn about or use cryptography? A general introduction to mostly theoretical cryptographic issues, especially those frequently discussed in sci.crypt, is available in FAQ form: > Compiled by: > cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) > Gwyn@BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn) > smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) NIST (U.S. National Institute for Standards and Technology) publishes an introductory paper on cryptography, special publication 800-2 ``Public-Key Cryptograhy'' by James Nechvatal (April 1991). Available via anonymous FTP from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (129.6.54.11), file pub/nistpubs/800-2.txt. Also via available anonymous FTP from wimsey.bc.ca as crypt.txt.Z in the crypto directory. Covers technical mathematical aspects of encryption such as number theory. More general information can be found in a FAQ by Paul Fahn of RSA Labortories via anonymous FTP from rsa.com in /pub/faq.ps.Z. See the `readme' file for information on the `tex' version. Also available as hardcopy for $20 from RSA Laboratories, 100 Marine Parkway, Redwood City, CA 94065. Send questions to faq-editor@rsa.com. Phil Zimmerman's PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) public-domain package for public key encryption is available at numerous sites, and is in widespread use over the internet for general UNIX-based file encryption (including email). Consult the archie FTP database. Also see the newsgroup alt.security.pgp. Mailing list requests to info-pgp-request@lucpul.it.luc.edu. From the RIPEM FAQ by Marc VanHeyningen on news.answers: > RIPEM is a program which performs Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) > using the cryptographic techniques of RSA and DES. It allows > your electronic mail to have the properties of authentication > (i.e. who sent it can be confirmed) and privacy (i.e. nobody can > read it except the intended recipient.) > > RIPEM was written primarily by Mark Riordan > . Most of the code is in the public domain, > except for the RSA routines, which are a library called RSAREF > licensed from RSA Data Security Inc. > > RIPEM is available via anonymous FTP to citizens and permanent > residents in the U.S. from rsa.com; cd to rsaref/ and read the > README file for info. > > RIPEM, as well as some other crypt stuff, has its `home site' on > rpub.cl.msu.edu, which is open to non-anonymous FTP for users in > the U.S. and Canada who are citizens or permanent residents. To > find out how to obtain access, ftp there, cd to pub/crypt/, and > read the file GETTING_ACCESS. Note: cryptography is generally not well integrated into email yet and some system proficiency is required by users to utilize it. _____ <4.3> What is the cypherpunks mailing list? Eric Hughes runs the `cypherpunk' mailing list dedicated to ``discussion about technological defenses for privacy in the digital domain.'' Send email to cypherpunks-request@toad.com to be added or subtracted from the list. From the charter: > The most important means to the defense of privacy is encryption. > To encrypt is to indicate the desire for privacy. But to encrypt > with weak cryptography is to indicate not too much desire for > privacy. Cypherpunks hope that all people desiring privacy will > learn how best to defend it. _____ <4.4> What are some privacy-related newsgroups? FAQs? Newsgroups ========== alt.comp.acad-freedom.news alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk -------------------------- Moderated and unmoderated issues related to academic freedom and privacy at universities. Documented examples of violated privacy in e.g. email. Documented examples of `censorship' as in e.g. limiting USENET groups local availability. alt.cyberpunks -------------- Virtual reality, (science) fiction by William Gibson and Bruce Sterling, cyberpunk in the mainstream. alt.hackers ----------- USENET Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) posting mechanisms, Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP), `obligatory hack' reports. alt.privacy ----------- General privacy issues involving taxpaying, licensing, social security numbers, etc. alt.security comp.security.misc ------------------ Computer related security issues. FAQ in news.answers below. alt.security.pgp alt.security.ripem ---------------- Dedicated to discussing public domain cryptographic software packages: PGP, or ``Pretty Good Privacy'' Software developed by Phil Zimmerman for public key encryption, and RIPEM by Mark Riordan for public key and DES encryption. comp.society.privacy -------------------- Privacy issues associated with computer technologies. Examples: caller identification, social security numbers, credit applications, mailing lists, etc. Moderated. comp.eff.news comp.eff.talk ------------- Moderated and unmoderated groups associated with the Electronic Frontier Foundation started by Mitch Kapor for protecting civil and constitutional rights in the electronic realm. news.admin news.admin.policy ----------------- Concerns of news administrators. NNTP standards and mechanisms. news.lists ---------- USENET traffic distributions. Most frequent posters, most voluminous groups, most active sites, etc. sci.crypt --------- Considers scientific and social issues of cryptography. Examples: legitimate use of PGP, public-key patents, DES, cryptographic security, cypher breaking, etc. FAQs ==== FAQs or ``Frequently-Asked Questions'' are available in the newsgroups *.answers or via anonymous FTP to pit-manager.mit.edu [18.172.1.27] (also rtfm.mit.edu) from the directory /pub/usenet/news.answers/[x] where [x] is the archive name. This FAQ is archived in the file `net-privacy'. Others are: network-info/part1 ------------------ Sources of information about the Internet and how to connect to it, through the NSF or commercial vendors. alt-security-faq ---------------- Computer related security issues arising in alt.security and comp.security.misc, mostly UNIX related. ssn-privacy ----------- Privacy issues associated with the use of the U.S. Social Security number (SSN). pdial ----- Public dialup internet accounts list. college-email/part1 ------------------- How to find email addresses for undergraduate and graduate students, faculty and staff at various colleges and universities. ripem/faq --------- Information on RIPEM, a program for public key mail encryption officially sanctioned by Public Key Partners Inc., the company that owns patents on public key cryptography. unix-faq/faq/part1 ------------------ Frequently-asked questions about UNIX, including information on `finger' and terminal spying. distributions/* --------------- Known geographic, university, and network distributions. _____ <4.5> What is internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)? Internet drafts on Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) describe a standard under revision for six years delineating the official protocols for email encryption. The standard has only recently stabilized and implementations are being developed. - RFC-1421: ``Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part I: Message Encryption and Authentication Procedures.'' J. Linn <104-8456@mcimail.com> - RFC-1422: ``Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part II: Certificate-Based Key Management'' S. Kent - RFC-1424: ``Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part IV: Key Certification and Related Services'' B. Kaliski - RFC-1423: ``Privacy Enhancement for Internet Electronic Mail: Part III: Algorithms, Modes, and Identifiers'' D. Balenson Send email to pem-info@tis.com for more information. See ``RFCs related to privacy'' for information on how to obtain RFCs. _____ <4.6> What are other Requests For Comments (RFCs) related to privacy? RFC-822: SMTP, Simple Mail Transfer Protocol RFC-977: NNTP, Network News Transfer Protocol RFC-1036: Standard for interchange of network news messages RFC-1208: Glossary of Networking Terms RFC-1207: Answers to ``experienced Internet user'' questions RFC-1206: Answers to ``new Internet user'' questions RFC-1355: Privacy issues in Network Information center databases RFC-1177 is ``FYI: Answers to commonly asked ``new internet user'' questions, and includes: basic terminology on the Internet (TCP/IP, SMTP, FTP), internet organizations such as IAB (Internet Activities Board) and IETF (Internet Enbgineering Task Force), and a glossary of terms. Also from ftp.eff.org: /pub/internet-info/internet.q. > RFCs can be obtained via FTP from NIC.DDN.MIL, with the pathname > RFC:RFCnnnn.TXT or RFC:RFCnnnn.PS (where `nnnn' refers to the > number of the RFC). Login with FTP, username `anonymous' and > password `guest'. The NIC also provides an automatic mail > service for those sites which cannot use FTP. Address the > request to SERVICE@NIC.DDN.MIL and in the subject field of the > message indicate the RFC number, as in `Subject: RFC nnnn' (or > `Subject: RFC nnnn.PS' for PostScript RFCs). > > RFCs can also be obtained via FTP from NIS.NSF.NET. Using FTP, > login with username `anonymous' and password `guest'; then > connect to the RFC directory (`cd RFC'). The file name is of the > form RFCnnnn.TXT-1 (where `nnnn' refers to the number of the > RFC). The NIS also provides an automatic mail service for those > sites which cannot use FTP. Address the request to > NIS-INFO@NIS.NSF.NET and leave the subject field of the message > blank. The first line of the text of the message must be `SEND > RFCnnnn.TXT-1', where nnnn is replaced by the RFC number. _____ <4.7> How can I run an anonymous remailer? Cypherpunk remailer source is at soda.berkeley.edu in the /pub/cypherpunks directory. It's written in PERL, and is relatively easy to install (no administrative rights are required). Karl Barrus has more information and modifications. Also, most remailer operators mentioned above are amenable to discussing features, problems, and helping new sites become operational. Address all points in the section ``responsibities of anonymous use'' in this document prior to advertising your service. You should be committed to the long-term stability of the site and avoid running one surreptitiously. _____ <4.8> What are references on privacy in email? Brown, Bob. ``EMA Urges Users to Adopt Policy on E-mail Privacy.'' Network World (Oct 29, 1990), 7.44: 2. Bairstow, Jeffrey. ``Who Reads your Electronic Mail?'' Electronic Business (June 11, 1990) 16 (11): 92. ``Electronic Envelopes - the uncertainty of keeping e-mail private'' Scientific American, February 1993. ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/eff/papers/email_privacy --- Article on the rights of email privacy. by Ruel T. Hernandez. /pub/academic/law/privacy.email --- ``Computer Electronic Mail and Privacy'', an edited version of a law school seminar paper by Ruel T. Hernadez. /pub/eff/papers/email-privacy-biblio-2 --- Compilation of bibliography on E-Mail and its privacy issues (part 2 of the work). Compiled by Stacy B. Veeder (12/91). /pub/eff/papers/email-privacy-research --- The author at Digital Research tried to formalize their employee privacy policy on E-Mail. The casesightings are divided into two groups: US Constitutional law, and California law. /pub/eff/papers/company-email --- Formulating a Company Policy on Access to and Disclosure of Electronic Mail on Company Computer Systems by David R. Johnson and John Podesta for the Electronic Mail Assocation /pub/cud/alcor --- Information on Alcor Co., an e-mail privacy suit. /pub/academic/law/privacy.email --- Email privacy search at Berkeley. _____ <4.9> What are some email, Usenet, and internet use policies? The Computer Policy and Critiques Archive is a collection of the computer policies of many schools and networks, run by the Computers and Academic Freedom group on the Electronic Frontier Foundation FTP site. The collection also includes critiques of some of the policies. > If you have gopher, the archive is browsable with the command: > gopher -p academic/policies gopher.eff.org > > The archive is also accessible via anonymous ftp and email. Ftp > to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4). It is in directory > `pub/academic/policies'. For email access, send email to > archive-server@eff.org. Include the line: > > send acad-freedom/policies > > where is a list of the files that you want. File > README is a detailed description of the items in the directory. > > For more information, to make contributions, or to report typos > contact J.S. Greenfield (greeny@eff.org). Directory `widener' > contains additional policies (but not critiques). ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/cud/networks --- Acceptable Use Policies for various networks, including CompuServe (file `compuserve'), NSFNET (file `nsfnet') with information on research and commercial uses. See /pub/cud/networks/index. /pub/cud/networks/email --- Policies from various sysadmins about how they handle the issue of email privacy, control, and abuse, compiled by T. Hooper . /pub/cud/schools/ --- Computer use policies of a number of schools. See schools/Index for a full list and description. Commentary ========== /pub/academic/faq/policy.best --- Opinions on the best academic computer policies. /pub/academic/faq/email.policies --- Do any universities treat email and computer files as private? /pub/academic/faq/netnews.writing --- Policies on what users write on Usenet. /pub/academic/faq/netnews.reading --- Policies on what users read on Usenet: should my university remove (or restrict) Netnews newsgroups because some people find them offensive? /pub/academic/faq/policy --- What guidance is there for creating or evaluating a university's academic computer policy? ______ <4.10> What is the MIT ``CROSSLINK'' anonymous message TV program? > CROSSLINK is an anonymous message system run on MIT Student > Cable TV-36. It provides an anonymous medium through which MIT > students can say those things they might otherwise find > difficult, inconvenient or impossible to say in person. It's > also a way to send fun or totally random messages to your > friends over the air. It is similar to the anonymous message > pages found in many college newspapers, except that it's > electronic in nature and it's free. Messages can be posted to the service via email. For more information send email to crosslink@athena.mit.edu. MISCELLANEOUS ============= _____ <5.1> What is ``digital cash''? With digital encryption and authentication technologies, the possibility of a widespread digital cash system may someday be realized. A system utilizing codes sent between users and banks (similar to today's checking system except entirely digital) may be one approach. The issues of cryptography, privacy, and anonymity are closely associated with transfer of cash in an economy. See the article in Scientific American by David Chaum (~Dec.1992). An experimental digital bank is run by Karl Barrus based on suggestions by Hal Finney on the cypherpunks mailing list. To use the server send mail to elee7h5@rosebud.ee.uh.edu message with the following text: :: command: help user@host where `user@host' is your email address. _____ <5.2> What is a ``hacker'' or ``cracker''? These terms arouse strong feelings by many on their meaning, especially on the internet. In the general news media in the past a person who uses computers and networks to malicious ends (such as breaking into systems) has been referred to as a hacker, but most internet users prefer the term ``cracker'' for this. Instead, a ``hacker'' is perceived as a benign but intensely ambitious, curious, and driven computer user who explores obscure areas of a system, for example---something of a proud electronic pioneer and patriot. This is the sense intended in this document. See also the ``Hacker's Dictionary'' and the FAQ `alt-security-faq'. _____ <5.3> What is a ``cypherpunk''? From the charter of the cypherpunk mailing list: > Cypherpunks assume privacy is a good thing and wish there were > more of it. Cypherpunks acknowledge that those who want privacy > must create it for themselves and not expect governments, > corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant > them privacy out of beneficence. Cypherpunks know that people > have been creating their own privacy for centuries with whispers, > envelopes, closed doors, and couriers. Cypherpunks do not seek > to prevent other people from speaking about their experiences or > their opinions. See information on the cypherpunk mailing list below. See also the CryptoAnarchist Manifesto and the Cryptography Glossary in soda.berkeley.edu:/pub/cypherpunks. _____ <5.4> What is `steganography' and anonymous pools? Closely associated with encryption is `steganography' or the techniques for not only pursuing private (encrypted) communication but concealing the very existence of the communication itself. Many new possibilities in this area are introduced with the proliferation of computer technology. For example, it is possible to encode messages in the least-significant bits of images, typically the most 'noisy'. In addition, when such an item is posted in a public place (such as a newsgroup), virtually untraceable communication can take place between sender and receiver. For steganographic communications in the electronic realm one another possibility is setting up a mailing list where individual messages get broadcast to the entire list and individual users decode particular messages with their unique key. An anonymous pool has been set up by Miron Cuperman (miron@extropia.wimsey.com) for experiments. Send email to with one of the following commands in the subject line: subscribe unsubscribe help _____ <5.5> What is `security through obscurity'? `Security through obscurity' refers to the attempt to gain protection from system weaknesses by hiding sensitive information or programs relating to them. For example, a company may not make public information on its software's encryption techniques to evade `attacks' based on knowledge of it. Another example would be concealing data on the existence of security holes or bugs in operating systems. Or, some reliance may be made on the fact that some standard or mechanism with potential problems is serious because they are ``not widely known'' or ``not widely used.'' This argument is occasionally applied to mechanisms for email and Usenet posting `forgery'. `Security through obscurity' is regarded as a very feeble technique at best and inappropriate and ineffective at worst (also called the ``head-in-the-sand approach''). See the FAQ for alt.security. Some remarks of John Perry Barlow, cofounder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, directed to NSA agents at the First International Symposium on National Security & National Competitiveness held in McLean, Virginia Dec. 1, 1992: > Digitized information is very hard to stamp classified or keep > contained. ... This stuff is incredibly leaky and volatile. It's > almost a life form in its ability to self-propagate. If > something hits the Net and it's something which people on there > find interesting it will spread like a virus of the mind. I > believe you must simply accept the idea that we are moving into > an environment where any information which is at all interesting > to people is going to get out. And there will be very little > that you can do about it. This is not a bad thing in my view, > but you may differ... _____ <5.6> What are `identity daemons'? RFC-931 describes a protocol standard that allows UNIX programs to query a remote user's login name after connection to a local communication socket (a connection of this type is established during FTP and TELNET sessions, for example). The standard is not widely supported, perhaps 10% of internet sites currently implement it but the number is increasing. The mechanism is detrimental to anonymity. Regular users cannot disable it but system adminstrators can circumvent it. This standard may represent a trend toward greater authentication mechanisms. _____ <5.7> What new standards are needed to guard electronic privacy? Remailing/Posting ----------------- - Stable, secure, protected, officially sanctioned and permitted, publicly and privately operated anonymous servers and hubs. - Official standards for encryption and anonymity in mail and USENET postings. - Truly anonymous protocols with source and destination information obscured or absent and hidden routing mechanisms (chaining, encrypted addresses, etc.) - Standards for anonymous email addressing, embedding files, and remailer site chaining. General ------- - Recognition of anonymity, cryptography, and related privacy shields as legitimate, useful, desirable, and crucial by the general public and their governments. - Widespread use and implementation of these technologies by systems designers into hardware, software, and standards, implemented `securely,' `seamlessly,' and `transparently'. - General shift of use, dependence, and reliance to means other than wiretapping and electronic surveillance by law enforcement agencies. - Publicity, retraction, and dissolution of laws and government agencies opposed to privacy, replaced by structures dedicated to strengthening and protecting it. ISSUES ====== _____ <6.1> What is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)? From ftp.eff.org:/pub/EFF/mission_statement: > A new world is arising in the vast web of digital, electronic > media which connect us. Computer-based communication media like > electronic mail and computer conferencing are becoming the basis > of new forms of community. These communities without a single, > fixed geographical location comprise the first settlements on an > electronic frontier. > > While well-established legal principles and cultural norms give > structure and coherence to uses of conventional media like > newspapers, books, and telephones, the new digital media do not > so easily fit into existing frameworks. Conflicts come about as > the law struggles to define its application in a context where > fundamental notions of speech, property, and place take > profoundly new forms. People sense both the promise and the > threat inherent in new computer and communications technologies, > even as they struggle to master or simply cope with them in the > workplace and the home. > > The Electronic Frontier Foundation has been established to help > civilize the electronic frontier; to make it truly useful and > beneficial not just to a technical elite, but to everyone; and to > do this in a way which is in keeping with our society's highest > traditions of the free and open flow of information and > communication. EFF was started by the multimillionaire Mitchell Kapor, founder of Lotus software, and John Barlow, lyricist for the Grateful Dead rock band. A highly publicized endeavor of the organization involved the legal defense of Steve Jackson Games after an FBI raid and an accompanying civil suit (see section on ``Steve Jackson Games''). The foundation publishes EFF News (EFFector Online) electronically, send requests to effnews-request@eff.org. In a letter to Mitchell Kapor from the Chairman of the Subcommittee with primary jurisdiction over telecommunications policy dated November 5, 1991, Representative Edward J. Markey complemented Mitchell Kapor on his ``insights on the development of a national public information infrastructure'' which ``were appreciated greatly by myself and the Members of the Subcommittee'' (complete text in ftp.eff.com:/pub/pub-infra/1991-12): > ...we need to pursue policies that encourage the Bell companies to > work with other sectors of the communications industry to create > a consumer-oriented, public information network. Please let me or > my staff know what policies you and others in the computer > industry believe would best serve the public interest in creating > a reasonably priced, widely available network in which > competition is open and innovation rewarded. I also want to > learn what lessons from the computer industry over the past ten > to fifteen years should apply to the current debate on > structuring the information and communications networks of the > future....I ask your help in gaining input from the computer > industry so that the Subcommittee can shape policies that will > bring this spirit of innovation and entrepreneurship to the > information services industry. ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/eff/about-eff --- A file of basic information about EFF including goals, mission, achievements, and current projects. Contains a membership form. /pub/eff/mission-statement --- EFF mission statement. /pub/eff/historical/founding-announcement --- EFF founding press release. /pub/eff/historical/eff-history --- John Perry Barlow's ``Not Terribly Brief History of the EFF'' (July 10, 1990). How EFF was conceived and founded, major legal cases, and the organizational directions. /pub/eff/historical/legal-case-summary --- EFF legal case summary. _____ <6.2> Who are Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)? The Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility have been working to protect and promote electronic civil liberties issues since ~1982. The group has three offices (Palo Alto, Cambridge, Washington, DC) and 20 chapters. It is involved in litigation against the FBI, The NSA, NIST, the Secret Service and other other U.S. government agencies to declassify and provide documentation on issues such as Operation Sundevil, the FBI wiretap proposal, NSA's interference in crypography, the breakup of the 2600 raid in Arlington, Va in Nov 1992. Members speak frequently in front on Congress, state legislators and public utility commissions to testify on privacy, information policy, computer security, and caller identification. CPSR has created an extensive Internet Privacy library available via FTP, Gopher, WAIS, and email at cpsr.org, currently comprising the largest collection of privacy documents on the internet. For more information, anonymous FTP cpsr.org:/cpsr/. (Thanks to Dave Banisar for contributions here.) _____ <6.3> What was `Operation Sundevil' and the Steve Jackson Game case? In the early 1990's a fear spread among U.S. law enforcement agencies on the illicit activities of `hackers' and `phreakers' involved in such activities as credit card fraud and long-distance call thievery. (see ftp.eff.org:/pub/SJG/General_Information/EFFector1.04): > `Operation Sundevil,' the Phoenix-inspired crackdown of May > 8,1990, concentrated on telephone code-fraud and credit-card > abuse, and followed this seizure plan with some success. > [Bulletin Board Systems] went down all over America, terrifying > the underground and swiftly depriving them of at least some of > their criminal instruments. It also saddled analysts with some > 24,000 floppy disks, and confronted harried Justice Department > prosecutors with the daunting challenge of a gigantic nationwide > hacker show-trial involving highly technical issues in dozens of > jurisdictions. Massive `show-trials' never materialized, although isolated instances of prosecution were pursued. The movement reached a crescendo in Texas with the highly publicized case of illegal search and seizure involving the Steve Jackson Games company of Austin Texas on March 1, 1990. From the column GURPS' LABOUR LOST by Bruce Sterling in Fantasy and Science Fiction Magazine: > In an early morning raid with an unlawful and unconstitutional > warrant, agents of the Secret Service conducted a search of the > SJG office. When they left they took a manuscript being prepared > for publication, private electronic mail, and several computers, > including the hardware and software of the SJG Computer Bulletin > Board System. Yet Jackson and his business were not only > innocent of any crime, but never suspects in the first place. > The raid had been staged on the unfounded suspicion that > somewhere in Jackson's office there `might be' a document > compromising the security of the 911 telephone system. FBI agents involved in the seizure were named in a civil suit filed on behalf of Steve Jackson Games by The Electronic Frontier Foundation. See information on EFF below. From an article by Joe Abernathy in the Houston Chronicle ~Feb 1, 1993: > AUSTIN -- An electronic civil rights case against the Secret > Service closed Thursday with a clear statement by federal > District Judge Sam Sparks that the Service failed to conduct a > proper investigation in a notorious computer crime crackdown, > and went too far in retaining custody of seized equipment. > > Secret Service Special Agent Timothy Foley of Chicago, who was in > charge of three Austin computer search-and-seizures on March 1, > 1990, that led to the lawsuit, stoically endured Spark's rebuke > over the Service's poor investigation and abusive computer > seizure policies. While the Service has seized dozens of > computers since the crackdown began in 1990, this is the first > case to challenge the practice. > > Sparks grew visibly angry when it was established that the Austin > science fiction magazine and game book publisher was never > suspected of a crime, and that agents did not do even marginal > research to establish a criminal connection between the firm and > the suspected illegal activities of an employee, or to determine > that the company was a publisher. Indeed, agents testified that > they were not even trained in the Privacy Protection Act at the > special Secret Service school on computer crime. > > ""How long would it have taken you, Mr. Foley, to find out what > Steve Jackson Games did, what it was?"" asked Sparks. ""An hour? > > ""Was there any reason why, on March 2, you could not return to > Steve Jackson Games a copy, in floppy disk form, of everything > taken? > > ""Did you read the article in Business Week magazine where it had > a picture of Steve Jackson -- a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen > -- saying he was a computer crime suspect? > > ""Did it ever occur to you, Mr. Foley, that seizing this material > could harm Steve Jackson economically?"" > > Foley replied, ""No, sir,"" but the judge offered his own answer. > > ""You actually did, you just had no idea anybody would actually go > out and hire a lawyer and sue you."" > > More than $200,000 has been spent by the Electronic Frontier > Foundation in bringing the case to trial. The EFF was founded by > Mitchell Kapor amid a civil liberties movement sparked in large > part by the Secret Service computer crime crackdown. ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/cud/papers/sundevil --- A collection of information on Operation SunDevil by the Epic nonprofit publishing project. Everything you wanted to know but could never find. /pub/cud/papers/sj-resp --- Steve Jackson's response to the charges against him. _____ <6.4> What is Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN)? ISDN is a high-speed data communications standard that utilizes existing copper telephone lines, and is a possible inexpensive and intermediate alternative to laying fiber optic cable for phone networks. The speeds involved may be sufficient for audio and video transmission applications. G. V. der Leun in the file ftp.eff.org: /pub/pub-infra/1991-11: > Telecommunications in the United States is at a crossroads. With > the Regional Bell Operating Companies now free to provide > content, the shape of the information networking is about to be > irrevocably altered. But will that network be the open, > accessible, affordable network that the American public needs? > You can help decide this question. > > The Electronic Frontier Foundation recently presented a plan to > Congress calling for the immediate deployment of a national > network based on existing ISDN technology, accessible to anyone > with a telephone connection, and priced like local voice service. > We believe deployment of such a platform will spur the > development of innovative new information services, and maximize > freedom, competitiveness, and civil liberties throughout the > nation. > > The EFF is testifying before Congress and the FCC; making > presentations to public utility commisions from Massachusetts to > California; and meeting with representatives from telephone > companies, publishers, consumer advocates, and other stakeholders > in the telecommunications policy debate. > > The EFF believes that participants on the Internet, as pioneers on > the electronic frontier, need to have their voices heard at this > critical moment. To automatically receive a description of the platform and details, send mail to archive-server@eff.org, with the following line: send documents open-platform-overview or send mail to eff@eff.org. See also the Introduction to the EFF Open Platform Proposal in ftp.eff.org:/pub/pub-infra/1991-02. References ========== ``Digital Data On Demand.'' MacWorld, 2/82 (page 224). --- 56Kbps vs. ISDN services and products. See comments by J. Powers in ftp.eff.org:pub/pub-infra/1992-02. ``Telephone Service That Rings of the Future.'' By Joshua Quittner. Newsday, Tue, Jan 7 1992. --- Implications of ISDN for the masses, written in popular science style. John Perry Barlow (cofounder EFF). Regional telephone companies (Ohio Bell). ISDN as ``Technological Rorschach Test.'' Anecdotes about McDonald's, Barbara Bush teleconferencing. See complete text in ftp.eff.org:/pub/pub-infra/1992-01. ftp.eff.org:/pub/pub-infra/ --- Files 1991-11 through 1992-05 containing email from the EFF public infrastructure group organized by month. Opinions and facts on the pros and cons of ISDN, Integrated Services Digital Network. Uses of ISDN (phone video, audio, etc.) Japanese model. Alternatives to ISDN (HDSL, ADSL, fiber optics). Technical specifications of ISDN, implementation details, cost issues, political obstacles, (RBOC, Regional Bell Operating Companies or `Baby Bells', e.g. NET, New England Telephone). Influencing development of future networks (e.g. ISDN and NREN, National Research and Education Network), encouraging competition (cable TV systems). Press releases and news articles. Letter from Rep. E. J. Markey to M. Kapor. _____ <6.5> What is the National Research and Education Network (NREN)? The Nation Research and Education Network was introduced in legislation cosponsored by Sen. A. Gore to promote high-speed data network infrastructure augmenting the internet with up to 50 times faster transmission rates. The bill passed the House on November 20, 1991, the Senate on November 22, 1991, and was signed by the President on December 9, 1991. ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/EFF/legislation/nren-bill-text --- The complete text of the House-Senate compromise version of S. 272, the High-Performance Computing Act. /pub/internet-info/gore.bill --- 102nd congress 1st Session. Text of high performance computing bill cosponsored by Sen. A. Gore. /pub/EFF/legislation/gore-infrastructure-bill --- The text of S.2937, the Information Infrastructure and Technology Act of 1992 introduced by Senator Gore to expand Federal efforts to develop technologies for applications of high-performance computing and high-speed networking, and to provide for a coordinated Federal program to accelerate development and deployment of an advanced information infrastructure. U.S. SAID TO PLAY FAVORITES IN PROMOTING NATIONWIDE COMPUTER NETWORK By John Markoff, N.Y. Times (~18 Dec 91). --- President Bush's legislation for natiowide computer data `superhighway.' IBM-MCI venture as monopoly destructive to fair competition and innovation? National Science Foundation NSFnet. complete text in /pub/pub-infra/1991-12. Commentary ========== /pub/academic/statements/nren.privacy.cpsr --- ``Proposed Privacy Guidelines for the NREN'' -- Statement of Marc Rotenberg, Washington Director Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR). /pub/internet-info/cisler.nren --- The National Research and Education Network: Two meetings Steve Cisler, Senior Scientist Apple Computer Library December 17, 1990 Summary of meetings exploring educational issues of NREN by diverse members of academia and industry. /pub/internet-info/privatized.nren --- Feb. 14 1991 essay by M. Kapor advocating advantages of a private National Public Network, and specific recommendations for open NREN policies encouraging competition. /pub/eff/papers/netproposition --- An FYI about the proposed NREN setup. _____ <6.6> What is the FBI's proposed Digital Telephony Act? ``Providers of electronic communication services and private branch exchange operators shall provide within the United States capability and capacity for the government to intercept wire and electronic communications when authorized by law...'' From `BBS Legislative Watch: FBIs Wiretapping Proposal Thwarted' by S. Steele in Boardwatch Magazine, Feb. 1993, p. 19-22: > In a move that worried privacy experts, software manufacturers and > telephone companies, the FBI proposed legislation to amend the > Communications Act of 1934 to make it easier for the Bureau to > perform electronic wiretapping. The proposed legislation, > entitled 'Digital Telephony,' would have required communications > service providers and hardware manufacturers to make their > systems 'tappable' by providing 'back doors' through which law > enforcement officers could intercept communications. Furthermore, > this capability would have been provided undetectably, while the > communications was in progress, exclusive of any communications > between other parties, regardless of the mobility of the target > of the FBI's investigation, and without degradation of service. > > ...under the proposal, the Department of Justice (DOJ) can keep > communications products off the market if it determines that > these products do not meet the DOJ's own ... guidelines. This > [could] result in increased costs and reduced competitiveness for > service providers and equipment manufacturers, since they will be > unlikely to add any features that may result in a DOJ rejection > of their entire product. ...the FBI proposal suggests that the > cost of this wiretapping 'service' to the Bureau would have to be > borne by the service provider itself... > > The Electronic Frontier Foundation organized a broad coalition of > public interest and industry groups, from Computer Professionals > for Social Responsibilty (CPSR) and the ACLU to AT&T and Sun > Microsystems, to oppose the legislation. A white paper produced > by the EFF and ratified by the coalition, entitled, `An Analysis > of the FBI Digital Telephony Proposal,' was widely distributed > throughout the Congress. ... The Justice Department lobbied hard > in the final days to get Congress to take up the bill before > Congress adjourned, but the bill never ... found a Congressional > sponsor (and was therefore never officially introduced). The FBI > [may] reintroduce ""Digital Telephony"" when the 103rd Congress > convenes in January. ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/eff/legislation/fbi-wiretap-bill /pub/EFF/legislation/new-fbi-wiretap-bill --- A bill to ensure the continuing access of law enforcement to the content of wire and electronic communications when authorized by law and for other purposes. Version 2 of the bill after FBI changes in response to public response. /pub/cud/law/hr3515 --- House of Rep bill 3515, Telecommunications Law. Commentary ========== /pub/eff/papers/eff-fbi-analysis --- The EFF-sponsored analysis of the FBI's Digital Telephony proposal. /pub/eff/papers/ecpa.layman --- The Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986: A Layman's View. /pub/eff/papers/nightline-wire --- Transcript of ABC's Nightline of May 22, 1992, on the FBI, Privacy, and Proposed Wire-Tapping Legislation. Featured are Marc Rotenberg of the CPSR and William Sessions, Director of the FBI. /pub/eff/papers/edwards_letter --- A letter from the Director of the Secret Service to US Rep. Don Edwards, D-California, in response to questions raised by Edwards' Subcommittee. This copy came from Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility in Washington, D.C. /pub/eff/papers/fbi.systems --- A description of how information is stored on the FBI's computer systems. _____ <6.7> What other U.S. legislation is related to privacy? ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/cud/law/ --- State computer crime laws: AL, AK, AZ, CA, CO, CT, DE, FL, GA, HI, IA, ID, IL, IN, MD, MN, NC, NJ, NM, NY, OR, TX, VT, VA, WA, WI, WV. /pub/cud/law/ --- Current computer crime laws for: The United States (federal code), Canada, Ghana, and Great Britain. /pub/cud/law/bill.s.618 --- Senate bill 618, addressing registration of encryption keys with the government. /pub/cud/law/improve --- Improvement of Information Access bill. /pub/cud/law/monitoring --- Senate bill 516; concerning abuses of electronic monitoring in the workplace. /pub/cud/law/us.e-privacy --- Title 18, relating to computer crime & email privacy. /pub/academic/law/privacy.electronic.bill --- The text of Simon's electronic privacy bill, S. 516. ``To prevent potential abuses of electronic monitoring in the workplace.'' _____ <6.8> What are references on rights in cyberspace? ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/cud/papers/const.in.cyberspace --- Laurence Tribe's keynote address at the first Conference on Computers, Freedom, & Privacy. `The Constitution in Cyberspace' /pub/cud/papers/denning --- Paper presented to 13th Nat'l Comp Security Conf ``Concerning Hackers Who Break into Computer Systems'' by Dorothy E Denning. /pub/cud/papers/privacy --- ``Computer Privacy vs First and Fourth Amendment Rights'' by Michael S. Borella /pub/cud/papers/rights-of-expr --- Rights of Expression in Cyberspace by R. E. Baird /pub/academic/eff.rights --- Bill of Rights' meaning in the Electronic Frontier. _____ <6.9> What is the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) archive? The CAF Archive is an electronic library of information about computers and academic freedom. run by the Computers and Academic Freedom group on the Electronic Frontier Foundation FTP site. > If you have gopher, the archive is browsable with the command: > gopher -p academic gopher.eff.org > > It is available via anonymous ftp to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4) in > directory `pub/academic'. It is also available via email. For > information on email access send email to archive-server@eff.org. > In the body of your note include the lines `help' and `index'. > > For more information, to make contributions, or to report typos > contact J.S. Greenfield (greeny@eff.org). ftp.eff.org =========== /pub/academic/statements/caf-statement --- Codifies the application of academic freedom to academic computers, reflecting seven months of on-line discussion about computers and academic freedom. Covers free expression, due process, privacy, and user participation. /pub/academic/books --- Directory of book references related to Computers and Academic Freedom or mentioned in the CAF discussion. The file books/README is a bibliography. /pub/academic/faq/archive --- List of files available on the Computers and Academic Freedom archive. /pub/academic/news --- Directory of all issues of the Computers and Academic Freedom News. A full list of abstracts is available in file `abstracts'. The special best-of-the-month issues are named with their month, for example, `June'. FOOTNOTES ========= _____ <7.1> What is the background behind the Internet? The article ``Internet'' in Fantasy and Science Fiction by Bruce Sterling contains general and nontechnical introductory notes on origins of the Internet, including the role of the RAND corporation, the goal of network resilience in face of nuclear attack, MIT, UCLA, ARPANET, TCP/IP, NSF, NREN, etc.: > ARPANET itself formally expired in 1989, a happy victim of its > own overwhelming success. Its users scarcely noticed, for > ARPANET's functions not only continued but steadily improved. > The use of TCP/IP standards for computer networking is now > global. In 1971, a mere twenty-one years ago, there were only > four nodes in the ARPANET network. Today there are tens of > thousands of nodes in the Internet, scattered over forty-two > countries, with more coming on-line every day. Three million, > possibly four million people use this gigantic > mother-of-all-computer-networks. > > The Internet is especially popular among scientists, and is > probably the most important scientific instrument of the late > twentieth century. The powerful, sophisticated access that it > provides to specialized data and personal communication has sped > up the pace of scientific research enormously. > > The Internet's pace of growth in the early 1990s is spectacular, > almost ferocious. It is spreading faster than cellular phones, > faster than fax machines. Last year the Internet was growing at > a rate of twenty percent a *month.* The number of `host' > machines with direct connection to TCP/IP has been doubling > every year since 1988. The Internet is moving out of its > original base in military and research institutions, into > elementary and high schools, as well as into public libraries > and the commercial sector. References ========== Bowers, K., T. LaQuey, J. Reynolds, K. Roubicek, M. Stahl, and A. Yuan, ``Where to Start - A Bibliography of General Internetworking Information'' (RFC-1175), CNRI, U Texas, ISI, BBN, SRI, Mitre, August 1990. The Whole Internet Catalog & User's Guide by Ed Krol. (1992) O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. --- A clear, non-jargonized introduction to the intimidating business of network literacy written in humorous style. Krol, E., ``The Hitchhikers Guide to the Internet'' (RFC-1118), University of Illinois Urbana, September 1989. ``The User's Directory to Computer Networks'', by Tracy LaQuey. The Matrix: Computer Networks and Conferencing Systems Worldwide. by John Quarterman. Digital Press: Bedford, MA. (1990) --- Massive and highly technical compendium detailing the mind-boggling scope and complexity of global internetworks. ``!%@:: A Directory of Electronic Mail Addressing and Networks'' by Donnalyn Frey and Rick Adams. The Internet Companion, by Tracy LaQuey with Jeanne C. Ryer (1992) Addison Wesley. --- ``Evangelical'' etiquette guide to the Internet featuring anecdotal tales of life-changing Internet experiences. Foreword by Senator Al Gore. Zen and the Art of the Internet: A Beginner's Guide by Brendan P. Kehoe (1992) Prentice Hall. --- Brief but useful Internet guide with plenty of good advice on useful databases. See also ftp.eff.com:/pub/internet-info/. (Thanks to Bruce Sterling for contributions here.) General ======= Cunningham, Scott and Alan L. Porter. ``Communication Networks: A dozen ways they'll change our lives.'' The Futurist 26, 1 (January-February, 1992): 19-22. Brian Kahin, ed., BUILDING INFORMATION INFRASTRUCTURE (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1992) ISBN# 0-390-03083-X --- Essays on information infrastructure. Policy and design issues, research and NREN, future visions, information markets. See table of contents in ftp.eff.org:/pub/pub-infra/1992-03. Shapard, Jeffrey. ``Observations on Cross-Cultural Electronic Networking.'' Whole Earth Review (Winter) 1990: 32-35. Varley, Pamela. ``Electronic Democracy.'' Technology Review (November/December, 1991): 43-51. ______ <7.2> How Internet `anarchy' like the English language? According to Bruce Sterling : > The Internet's `anarchy' may seem strange or even unnatural, but > it makes a certain deep and basic sense. It's rather like the > `anarchy' of the English language. Nobody rents English, and > nobody owns English. As an English-speaking person, it's up > to you to learn how to speak English properly and make whatever > use you please of it (though the government provides certain > subsidies to help you learn to read and write a bit). > Otherwise, everybody just sort of pitches in, and somehow the > thing evolves on its own, and somehow turns out workable. And > interesting. Fascinating, even. Though a lot of people earn > their living from using and exploiting and teaching English, > `English' as an institution is public property, a public good. > Much the same goes for the Internet. Would English be improved > if the `The English Language, Inc.' had a board of directors > and a chief executive officer, or a President and a Congress? > There'd probably be a lot fewer new words in English, and a lot > fewer new ideas. _____ <7.3> Most Wanted list Hopefully you have benefitted from this creation, compilation, and condensation of information from various sources regarding privacy, identity, and anonymity on the internet. The author is committed to keeping this up-to-date and strengthening it, but this can only be effective with your feedback. In particular, the following items are sought: - Short summaries of RFC documents and other references listed, esp. CPSR files. - More data on the specific uses and penetration of RFC-931. - Internet traffic statistics. How much is email? How much USENET? What are the costs involved? - Famous or obscure examples of compromised privacy on the internet. - FTP site for the code (NOT the code) to turn the .plan file into a named pipe for sensing/reacting to remote `fingers'. - Knowledge on the `promiscuous' mode of receipt or transmission on network cards. - Details on the infamous experiment where a scientist resubmitted previously accepted papers to a prominent journal with new and unknown authors that were subsequently rejected. - X Windows, EFF, CPSR FAQhood in news.answers. Commerical use of this document is negotiable and is a way for the author to recoup from a significant time investment. Email feedback to ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu. Please note where you saw this (which newsgroup, etc.). _____ <7.4> Change history 3/3/93 v2.1 (current) CPSR pointer, new UNIX mode examples, digital telephony act, Steve Jackson incident, additions/ reorganization to anonymity section, part 3. Note: v2.0 post to sci.crypt, alt.privacy, news.answers, alt.answers, sci.answers was cancelled by J. Kamens because of incorrect subject line. 2/14/93 v2.0 Major revisions. New section for X Windows. Some email privacy items reorganized to network security section. New sections for email liability issues, anonymity history and responsibilities. Split into three files. Many new sources added, particularly from EFF and CAF in new `issues' part. `commentary' from news.admin.policy. 21 day automated posting starts. 2/3/93 v1.0 More newsgroups & FAQs added. More `Most Wanted'. Posted to news.answers. Future monthly posting to sci.crypt, alt.privacy. 2/1/93 v0.3 Formatted to 72 columns for quoting etc. `miscellaneous,' `resources' sections added with cypherpunk servers and use warnings. More UNIX examples (`ls' and `chmod'). Posted to alt.privacy, comp.society.privacy. 1/29/93 v0.2 `Identity' and `Privacy' sections added. `Anonymity' expanded. Remailer addresses removed due to lack of information and instability. Posted to sci.crypt. 1/25/93 v0.1 Originally posted to the cypherpunks mailing list on 1/25/93 as a call to organize a list of anonymous servers. email ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu for earlier versions. * * * SEE ALSO ======== Part 1 (previous file) ------ <1.1> What is `identity' on the internet? <1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet? <1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background? <1.4> How can I find out more about somebody from their email address? <1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? <1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet? <2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet? <2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet? <2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks? <2.4> How (in)secure is my account? <2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories? <2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows? <2.7> How (in)secure is my email? <2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings? <2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity? <2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me? <2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet? <2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet? <3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet? <3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet? <3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet? <3.4> What is `anonymous mail'? <3.5> What is `anonymous posting'? <3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet? <3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet? Part 3 (next file) ------ <8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites? <8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity? <8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings? <8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers? <8.5> What is the value of anonymity? <8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed? <8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings? <8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi maintained by J. Helsingius? * * * This is Part 2 of the Privacy & Anonymity FAQ, obtained via anonymous FTP to pit-manager@mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/net-privacy/ or newsgroups news.answers, sci.answers, alt.answers every 21 days. Written by L. Detweiler . All rights reserved. ";-1;0 "From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 38 In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: >I hope Gordon Banks did not mean to imply that notions such as >hard-to-see candida infections causing various problems should not >be investigated. Many researchers have made breakthroughs by >figuring out how to investigate things that were previously thought >""virtually impossible to test for."" > >Indeed, I would be surprised if ""candida overbloom"" were such a >phenomena. I would think that candida would produce signature >byproducts whose measure would then set a lower bound on the >extent of recent infection. I realize this might get quite >tricky and difficult, probably expensive, and likely inconvenient >or uncomfortable to the subjects, but that is not the same as >""virtually impossible."" I recall reading in the recently revised edition of the ""Yeast Connection"" that there is indeed work by researchers to do this. Of course, they are working on the theory that candida overbloom with penetration into mucus membrane tissue with associated ""mild"" inflammatory response can and does occur in a large number of people. If you reject this ""yeast hypothesis"", then I'd guess you'd view this research as one more wasteful and quixotic endeavor. Stay tuned. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Lines: 460 In article <1993Apr19.010955.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes: >> Too bad. In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established >> a vast network of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two >> continents. >Before you go calling the kettle black, keep in mind that the >Turkish government was a strong supporter of Nazi Germany and >played a vital role in supplying it with oil until the Allies >invaded Iran. Complaining about Armenian complicity with the >Nazis does little good when Turkey played a much bigger role. Tell me, 'kmagnacca', were you high on 'Arromdian of ASALA/SDPA/ARF' when you wrote that? Humane behavior and tolerance of Turks was a legend even 500 years ago when they accepted tens of thousands of Jews from Spain who were fleeing from the Spanish Inquisition. Again, many Jewish families escaping from Nazi Armenians and Hitler's Nazi Germany took refugee in Turkiye during the 1940's. Turkish people have unselfishly given home, protection, and freedom to the Jews over the centuries, including to thousands and thousands of them during the Second World War. Get a life or a cup of Turkish coffee. ""History of the Jews in the Islamic Countries,"" chapters in Parts I and II, Jarusalem, Zalman Shazar Center for Jewish History, 1986. Baron, Salo W., ""A Social and Religious History of the Jews,"" New York, Columbia University Press, Vols. III, V, XVIII. Benardete, Mair Jose, ""Hispanic Culture and Character of the Sephardic Jews,"" New York, Sepher-Hermon Press, 2nd corrected edition, 1982 (original publication 1953). Lewis, Bernard, eds., ""Christians and Jews in the Ottoman Empire,"" New York, Holmes & Meier, 1982, Vol. I, The Central Lands. ""La Turquie dan les Archives des Grand Orient de France: les loges ...,"" in Jean-Louis Bacque-Graumont and Paul Dumont, eds., Economie et Societes dans L'Empire Ottoman, Paris, Centre National De La Reserche Scientifique, 1983. Inalcik, Halil, ""Turkish-Jewish Relations in the Ottoman Empire,"" 1982. Sevilla-Sharon, Moshe, ""Turkiye Yahudileri, Tarihsel Bakis,"" Jerusalem, The Hebrew University, 1982. Source: John Dewey: ""The New Republic,"" Vol. 40, Nov. 12, 1928, pp. 268-9. ""Happy the minority [Jews] which has had no Christian nation to protect it. And one recalls that the Jews took up their abode in 'fanatic' Turkey when they were expelled from Europe, especially Spain, by Saintly Christians, and they have lived here for centuries in at least as much tranquility and liberty as their fellow Turkish subjects, all being exposed alike to the rapacity of their common rulers. To one brought up, as most Americans have been, in the Gladstonian and foreign-missionary tradition, the condition of the Jews in Turkey is almost a mathematical demonstration that religious differences have had an influence in the tragedy of Turkey only as they were combined with aspirations for a political separation which every nation in the world would have treated as treasonable. One readily reaches the conclusion that the Jews in Turkey were fortunate..."" He also stated that: ""they [Armenians] traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the Russian invader; that they boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population."" TURKEY AND THE HOLOCAUST An interview with Stanford J. Shaw (History), who recently completed two books: The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish Republic, and Turkey and the Holocaust: Turkey's Role in Rescuing Turkish and European Jewry from Nazi Persecution, 1933-45. Shaw chairs the undergraduate interdepartmental degree program in Near Eastern Studies and has organized the Program for the Study of Ottoman and Turkish Jewry. He is affiliated with the G. E. von Grunebaum Center for Near Eastern Studies. Editor: How did you come to write these two books on Turkey and European and Turkish Jews? Shaw: Basically, I'm an Ottoman historian, but I'm also Jewish. I've spent twenty-five years studying Ottoman history, and as time went along, whenever I found materials on the Ottoman Jews, I collected them. But I never did anything with them until a couple of years ago, when I suddenly realized that 1992 was the 500th anniversary of the Jews being expelled from Spain and coming to Turkey. Then the Sephardic Temple down on Wilshire Avenue invited me to give a series of three lectures on Ottoman Jewry. These lectures were greatly appreciated, and I became motivated to undertake further research to develop a book, The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish) Republic. This book is quite different from the works of most Jewish historians, who tend to look at the Jews in any country more from the viewpoint of the Jews and the Jewish community, and rely mainly on Jewish sources. I view my subject as an Ottoman historian, and I approach the Jews of the Ottoman Empire largely from the point of view of Ottoman society, using largely Ottoman sources. After I finished this book and sent it to the press, I came across additional documents relating to Turkish Jews during World War II. In the completed book, I had said that Turkey had done a good deal to rescue the Jews during World War II, but I did not actually have many details. Then I found a batch of documents in the Foreign Ministry archive relating to actions taken by Turkish diplomats to help the Jews before and during the Holocaust. It was too late to add this new information to the book in press, so I decided to write a second book. I conducted further research, mainly in the archives of the Foreign Ministry in Ankara and the Turkish Embassy and Consulate in Paris. The result was the second book, Turkey and the Holocaust, which details how Turkey helped rescue Jews from the Nazis. - How exactly did they do this? The story takes place over a number of years. The book presents the material in three parts, first of which deals with the period before the Holocaust. When the Nazis came to power in Germany in 1933, they immediately started dismissing Jews and anti-Nazi Germans from universities, hospitals, scientific institutes, and the like. Turkey at that moment was just beginning the process of reforming its universities, and it saw in these Jews, who were being fired from their positions in Germany, a good source of new talent to help modernize the Turkish universities. Within three months after the Nazis started dismissing these Jews, Turkey arranged to take many of them in. They were brought to Turkey and were given appointments as professors in the Turkish universities, as heads of scientific institutes, and as medical personnel in hospitals. About 300 to 500 major Jewish professors came to Turkey in the 1930s. Ernst Reuter, a German political scientist, spent the war years teaching political science in Turkey. After World War II, he was mayor of Berlin during the Berlin Airlift. Fritz Neimark, a major German Jewish economist, came to Turkey and helped establish a modern school of economics in Istanbul. A man named Reichenbach, who was rescued from the Nazis by Turkey and spent the war years in Turkey, eventually came to UCLA, where he became a professor of philosophy. Other German Jewish emigres engaged in cultural activities in Turkey. One such was Karl Ebert, who had been a leading theatrical producer in Berlin until he was expelled by the Nazis. He went to Turkey, where he organized the Turkish National Theater and the Turkish National Opera Company in Ankara, with the help of Paul Hindemuth. So the first section of the book covers this first phase, when Jews were being persecuted in Germany and rescued by Turkey. Oddly enough, the German emigres, when they were in Turkey, did not seem to think too badly of Germany. They regarded themselves more as Germans than Jews, and they did not join in the anti-Nazi activities of the local Turkish Jewish community. I even found letters from the Nazi representatives to Turkey praising these German Jewish refugees for their work in promoting the idea of German culture. Even though these people had been persecuted by the Nazis and rescued by the Turks, they shared the Nazis' feelings of Aryan racial superiority over the Turks. The second part of the book deals with the Holocaust, which began in 1940 when the Nazis occupied France. In Europe at that time, and especially in France, there were about 20,000 Turkish Jews. They had migrated to Europe for various reasons from about the turn of the century onward. Most of them had settled in Europe during the Turkish war for independence after World War I, when Greece was threatening to overrun Turkey. The Greeks had persecuted the Jews throughout the nineteenth century, and the Jews feared what might happen to them if the Greeks took over in Turkey. Many Jews fled to France during the 1920s and 1930s. Many also abandoned their Turkish citizenship and became French citizens. Suddenly the Nazis invaded France in 1940 and started introducing all sorts of anti-Jewish laws. The Turkish Jews soon found that it was not worth very much to be a French Jew, but that it was worth a lot to be a Turkish Jew. - How so? Turkey remained neutral through most of World War II. It retained its embassies and consulates in all the Nazi-occupied countries until it finally entered the war on the side of the Allies at the end of 1944. During the war, therefore, Turkey was in a position to defend its citizens against anti-Jewish measures, and the actions that Turkish diplomats took form the second chapter of the book. Turkish diplomats who were stationed in France in particular intervened to protect Jews of Turkish citizenship from the Nazis. For those Turkish Jews who had retained their Turkish citizenship, there was generally no problem. If they were arrested and sent to a concentration camp, the Turkish diplomats would communicate with the commanders of the camp and other officials and say in effect: ""These people are Turkish citizens. You can't do this to them."" And the Turkish Jews would be released. If their businesses were confiscated, the Turkish diplomats would protest and the businesses would be restored. The Nazis in general wanted to keep the friendship of Turkey. They hoped to be able to use Turkey as a gateway for an invasion of the Middle East, and they also wanted to obtain chromium and manganese from Turkey. In order to keep Turkish friendship, they usually accepted these interventions on behalf of Turkish Jews. The Turkish diplomats sometimes went to the concentration camps to secure the release of Turkish Jews. At times they even boarded trains hauling Turkish Jews to Auschwitz for extermination and succeeded in getting them off the train. Most of the foreign Jews were sent to a concentration camp at a place called Drancy in Paris, and that's where most of the intercession by Turkish consuls took place. The greater problem came with the Turkish Jews who had abandoned their Turkish citizenship and had become French citizens. The consuls couldn't declare that these people were Turkish citizens because they were not. My book includes photographs of Jews lining up in front of the Turkish consulate, either to get passports to return to Turkey or to get a restoration of their Turkish citizenship. This was a bureaucratic matter, so processing the application would take some time. In the meantime it was a real emergency, because the Nazis would arrest Jews on the streets for almost nothing. The Nazis would even arrest them if they had radios or telephones in their apartments, because radios and telephones were forbidden to Jews. To take care of these former Turkish Jews, the Turkish diplomats invented a document called gayri muntazem vatandash, or ""irregular fellow citizen."" The document said in effect ""This person is a former Turkish citizen who has applied for the restoration of his Turkish citizenship. In the meantime we would appreciate it if you would treat him as if he were a Turkish citizen."" The diplomats wrote the document in Turkish and put their seals on it. Since the Nazis could not read Turkish, on the whole they accepted these papers as certificates of citizenship. By this means, the Turkish diplomats were able to rescue many Jews who had relinquished their Turkish citizenship. Actually the Nazis were of two minds about the Turkish defense of Jews. On the one hand the Nazi Foreign Ministry, which wanted to retain the friendship of Turkey, was in favor of accepting these interventions. On the other hand, Himmler and Eichmann wanted all Jews exterminated. At times Himmler and Eichmann were able to prevail and some of the Turkish Jews were sent off to Auschwitz before the Turkish consuls could do anything. - Do you have statistics on how many Turkish Jews were rescued? There were about 20,000 Turkish Jews in Europe before world War II, about 10,000 of whom were living in France. Most of the information in this section of the book relates to the situation in France. I have published the letters that the Turkish consuls sent to the Nazi officials and the letters that came back in reply. Generally the Nazis said that if the Turkish consul would present documents certifying that arrested individuals are Turkish citizens, and promise to send them out of France, the Nazis would release them from the concentration camp. The Turkish consuls also organized special trains to take Turkish Jews from Nazi-occupied territory back to Turkey. These trains ran regularly in 1943 and 1944. The Nazis gave the Turkish Jews visas so they could pass out of Nazi territory, but the trains were often held up by the Nazi-influenced governments of Eastern Europe - Croatia, Serbia, and Bulgaria - because these governments really didn't want the Jews to escape. As a result of the Turkish consuls' efforts, about 3,000 to 4,000 of the Turkish Jews in France were saved. Another 3,000 were sent off to Auschwitz, where most of them died. The remaining 3,000 either escaped across the border into Spain or fled to the area of southern France occupied by the Italians, who treated Jews much better than the Nazis did. At the end of 1943, however, Italy fell out of the war, and that was the end for those Jews as well. Incidentally, the Turkish diplomats in Nazi-occupied Greece also worked to rescue Jews in that country. - The second part of your book then deals with Turkish diplomats acting to rescue Jews of Turkish citizenship or Turkish origin from Nazi persecution. Yes, and there is an aside I might add here: In their interventions on behalf of Turkish Jews, the Turks cited their treaty with Germany which stated that Turkish citizens in German territory would be treated the same as German citizens in Turkey. On that basis the Turks maintained that the Nazis could not discriminate against Turkish citizens who are Jews. The Nazis claimed (and the Vichy government agreed) that they were not discriminating because they were treating all Jews equally. Turkey protested, saying, ""You are dividing our citizens according to religion, but the Turkish constitution requires that all citizens be treated equally, regardless of religion. Therefore, you cannot single out Turkish Jews."" American consuls in Paris, by contrast, accepted the Nazi argument and told American Jews who were being persecuted by the Nazis that they couldn't do anything about it, because the American Jews were being treated the same as other Jews. The third part of the book takes place in Turkey, which was the principal center during the Holocaust for activities aimed at the rescue of Eastern European Jews. The kwish Agency, an organization established by Jews in Palestine to help resettle Jews to Palestine, set up an office in Istanbul in 1940 under the leadership of Chaim Barlas. Other Jewish organizations in Palestine, especially the kibbutzes, also sent representatives to Istanbul to set up headquarters. These groups first tried to contact Jews in Eastern Europe to find out what was happening. Today we know about the Holocaust, but at that time people didn't know what was going on. They didn't imagine the Nazis could do the things they were doing. And so the first step was to get information, and the Turkish government let them use the Turkish mails to send letters to their relatives and friends in Eastern Europe. The Jewish organizations found out what was happening when they received replies. Later on when the Nazis began to intercept such letters, the Jews received assistance also from the Vatican nuncio, Angelo Roncali, who served as the Vatican representative in Istanbul from 1935 to 1944 and later became Pope John XXIII. As the Vatican representative during the war, he used the facilities of the Catholic Church to supplement what the Turkish government was doing to assist Jewish agencies in contacting Jews in Eastern Europe. With the cooperation of the Turkish government, these agencies then sent hard currency, food, clothing, and even railroad and steamship tickets to Jews in Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary. They weren't able to help much in Poland because by then the Nazis had wiped out almost all the Polish Jews. Whenever possible the rescue agencies arranged for the Jews to get out of Eastern Europe either by train through the so called Orient Express route to Istanbul, or by boat through the Black Sea to Istanbul. Turkey was not eager for all these refugees to remain within its borders during the war, because it was being blockaded and was suffering terrible shortages of food and clothing. The government, therefore, facilitated the movement of the non-Turkish Jewish refugees from Turkey to Palestine, either by the Taurus Express Railroad through the mountains to Syria and Palestine, or by small boats across the eastern Mediterranean from southern Turkey to Palestine. These efforts were bitterly opposed not only by the Nazis, but also by the British, who did not want any more Jewish immigration to Palestine because they feared it would hurt their relations with the Arabs. The British constantly pressured the Turkish government to stop this traffic and send those Jews back. In a few cases the Turkish government, yielding to British pressure, did send the boats back. For example, in one incident, the steamship Struma, with some 700 Jewish refugees from Romania, was sent back by the Turkish government as a result of the intervention of the British ambassador. When that ship was sunk by a Soviet submarine, all were lost except one person. Nevertheless, all told, the Turkish government allowed no fewer than 100,000 Eastern European Jews to pass through Turkish territory and move on to Palestine during the Second World War. The Turkish authorities also provided these refugees with facilities and money, and gave them permission to send money and food out of the country. - Many of these Jews who passed through Turkey may still be living in Israel. Yes, and their children. But let's return for a moment to the first group, the Turkish Jews who came from Europe. They did not go on to Palestine; they stayed in Turkey. It was the non-Turkish, Eastern European Jews who passed through Turkey en route to Palestine. Their story is very interesting. - And you have rescued it from obscurity. Many studies have been made of the Holocaust, but most of them do not focus on the Eastern European or Middle Eastern Jews. Most of the scholarship has centered on the Western European Jews, of whom 6 million were massacred by the Nazis. My study deals with a much smaller number of people. I have tried to round out the picture, and I hope my book will persuade other scholars to undertake further investigations in the history of Eastern Jews. When it comes to numbers, the German Jews were also relatively small in number. Most of the millions slain were Polish Jews. The rescue of 100,000 Eastern European Jews may not seem so significant compared with the total of 6 million who were murdered, but it meant a lot to those who were saved. About three-fourths of the book consists of documents - translations of many documents. They are included because the story is not well known. Not only are people in the West unaware of the courageous actions of the Turkish diplomats; even the people of Turkey did not know the story. I felt that they would not fully understand this remarkable achievement unless they could see the documents. - What languages are used in the documents? Most of them are in Turkish or French; some are in Hebrew. There is a great deal of material in Hebrew about the organization of the boats going to Palestine, the passengers, and so on, but I did not go into those details extensively. I describe mostly what Turkey did, so most of my documents are in Turkish or French. A few documents are in English. The Jewish groups in Istanbul did not necessarily cooperate with one another to rescue Jews; in fact, they often fought with one another. They took turns trying to get the Turkish government to deport rival groups. For example, some of the kibbutz groups felt that the Jewish Agency was run by Western European Jews who were interested only in helping Western European Jews. Finally, in 1944, President Roosevelt sent a personal representative, Ira Hirschman, who had been an executive of Bloomingdale's department store in New York City, and Hirschman managed to reconcile their differences. The documents related to his mission are in English. I also obtained many documents from Serge Klarsfeld, a Holocaust historian in France, who mainly worked on the French Jews. (His father was killed by the Nazis.) He gave me materials he had gathered in the German archives on the Turkish Jews, so I didn't personally consult the German archives. I believe that much more can be learned from the German archives, and I hope someone someday will make the effort. - This new book fits in well with your teaching, doesn't it? Right. I'm giving a course on the history of the Jews of the Ottoman Empire. I first gave the course two years ago. In addition to research, writing, and teaching, I've been actively involved in the commemoration of the 500th anniversary of the coming of the Jews to the Ottoman Empire. Among other things, I helped organize a large international conference on the subject which was held in Istanbul in 1992. - Now that your books are finished and the conference has taken place, what do you plan to do next? I'm working on two new books. One is a history of the Turkish War for Independence, which took place after World War I, during the years 1918 to 1923. The Turks warded off the efforts of the victorious European powers to occupy Turkey and end its independence. The second book is a study of Sultan Abdul Hamid II, the last major sultan, who ruled from 1876 to 1909. He was an important modernizer in his own way, although he also suppressed all sorts of political movements. Stanford J. Shaw received a B.A. in History and an M.A. in British History. He then shifted to Near Eastern History, earning a second M.A. and a Ph.D. at Princeton. As a doctoral candidate at Princeton, he spent two years abroad, studying at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London; the University of Cairo, the American University at Cairo, and the University of Istanbul. He taught at Harvard before coming to UCLA in 1966. His postdoctoral research has been supported by the John Simon Guggenheim Foundation, the American Research Institute in Turkey, the Social Science Research Council, the National Endowment for the Humanities, the Fulbright Program, and ISOP. He has received honorary degrees from Harvard University and Bosporus University, Bebek, Istanbul, Turkey, and medals of honor for lifetime contributions to the fields of Islamic and Turkish studies from the Center for Research in Islamic History, Art, and Culture in Istanbul and from the American Friends of Turkey in Washington, D.C. In addition to undertaking many professional service activities and public lectures in both the United States and Turkey, Shaw has also produced eight books and one edited volume. His History of the Ottoman Empire and Modem Turkey (2 vols.) has been published in many editions (six editions or reprints from 1977-1991), and translated into Turkish (1983, 1991) and French (1984). His book The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish Republic (MacMillan, London, and New York University Press, 1992) will be published in Turkish translation by the Turkish Historical Society, Istanbul. His Turkey and the Holocaust: Turkey's Role in Rescuing Turkish and European Jewry from Nazi Persecution, 1933-1945 will be published by Macmillan Publishers, London, and New York University Press in 1993. A pamphlet summarizing the book was published in Ankara, Turkey, in 1992. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: lumpkin@corvus.nas.nasa.gov (Forrest E. Lumpkin III) Subject: HELP - SCSI Woes on Mac IIfx Keywords: SCSI, IIfx Organization: NASA Ames Research Center Lines: 46 I am having trouble with SCSI on a Mac IIfx. The machine is 3 years old and I have been using the same hard drive (internal Maxtor LXT-200S) for two and a half years. The disk recently crashed. I reformatted (Silverlining 5.42), but during the reformat I received random write errors during testing. The error message reported was like: Sector 0: Write error detected after testing good - sector not mapped out. This occurred randomly all over the hard disk (which makes me suspect the diagnostic's reference to Sector 0 ??? ). On the third reformat and after reinstalling the SCSI read/write loops I was able to get through passes 2,3, and 4 with no errors. (Pass 1 for some reason reported a lot of errors, but still mapped out no sectors.) I decided to go ahead and try to resinstall System 7 and reload my data from a backup. This proceded normally; however, I now have sub-optimal performance. Symptoms include: o Frequent crashes o Instances of extremely sluggish disk access requiring a reboot to correct. o Instances of not finding the disk on the SCSI chain on reboot. - If I boot from Norton Utl. after this occurs, it cannot find the disk either. - The only thing that fixes this is recycling the power. It sometimes requires several attempts. QUESTIONS: 1) Has anyone had this type of problem before? 2) Is the problem with the fx motherboard (And its non-standard SCSI implementation) or with my Maxtor Disk? Is there some diagnostic software that would help me make this determination? 3) Is it a termination problem? I currently have external Syquest and an external DataFrame XP60 on the chain. The XP60 is at the end, and has internal termination; so I am not using the IIfx terminator. I do have the SCSI filter installed on the internal drive. I have run with this exact steup for 2 1/2 years with one previous disk crash requiring a reformat (about a year ago). I also have symptoms if I disconnect the external devices; so I don't see how SCSI termination would now be an issue. Of course who knows :-< Help would be much appreciated. Forrest E. Lumpkin III NASA Ames Research Center lumpkin@corvus.arc.nasa.gov ";-1;0 "From: caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Lines: 44 (Dean and I write lots and lots about absolute truth and arrogance.) vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: > I strongly suspect that we are reaching an impasse here, which is why I > deign from commenting much further. I agree that we'll probably never agree, and I'm starting to feel frustrated, and I'm tired of having my conversations with my husband dominated by this topic (just kidding, :-)). I do have to say, though, that participating in this discussion has been a good learning experience for me. My views on this topic have evolved and clarified through this, and I suspect that we may not disagree as much as we think. I admit that I'm strongly prejudiced against evangelical Christianity, and I may not always be rational in my reactions to it. I grew up in EC, and went to an EC college. It was definitely the wrong place for me, and I react strongly to any implication that EC or conservative Christianity has any sort of stronghold on true Christianity. I shudder when I remember the condescending attitude I had about other Christians who didn't adhere to the EC model. I have come to see that my real objection to this whole notion of absolute truth is the actions I have seen it lead to. I have had some very bad experiences with evangelical Christians claiming to know the truth, and judging me or others based on their belief that they have the answers. Knowing the truth doesn't seem to leave a whole lot of room for others' opinions. I can accept your belief in absolute truth as long as you* don't try to use that belief to try to force others to comply with it, and you are very careful that you don't hurt others with it. Love your neighbor seems to go totally out the window when one knows the truth and believes that everyone should be living by that truth. Other people have convictions about the truth every bit as strong and sincere as yours, based on careful searching, prayer, and their relationship with God. Don't dismiss them because God didn't lead them to the same conclusions as yours. *This is not directed personally at you, Dean. Carol Alvin caralv@auto-trol.com ";-1;0 "From: arsenaul@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Arsenault Michel) Subject: Looking for boxscores Organization: Universite de Montreal Distribution: na Lines: 5 I am looking for all the 84 boxscores of any NHL team for some personal research. Can someone help me ? Michel Arsenault ";-1;0 "From: rsnyder@nyx.cs.du.edu (russ snyder) Subject: Re: Performa 450 internal modem? X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 10 In article ado@quince.bbn.com (Buz Owen) writes: >I hear that the Performa 450 is really an LCIII with an internal modem. Can >the modem part be obtained and installed in an LCIII? It would be nice if it >were actually a powerbook internal modem, but that might be too much to hope >for. I believe you were misinformed. I checked out one of the P450's at Sears last week. The modem is external 2400bps data with send-only FAX. ";-1;0 "From: dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter) Subject: WANTED: Address SYMANTEC Originator: dewinter@prl.philips.nl Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands Lines: 17 I am looking for the exact address of the Symantec Coporatoin, which distributes Norton Desktop and other Windows software. The information I am looking for is: Mail address Phone number Fax number E-mail address Thanks in advance. -- *** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. *** *** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 *** *** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands *** *** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl *** ";-1;0 "From: Graham Toal Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Originator: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: pizzabox.demon.co.uk Reply-To: Graham Toal Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: :Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack :has 2^80 possible keys. We don't yet know if all 80 bits count. Anyway, its looking like the keys and escrow arrangements are smoke and mirrors to cover the way the NSA can regenerate the key from the transmitted serial number. G ";-1;0 "From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) Subject: Re: Help Organization: Motorola LPA Development Lines: 87 > I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know > that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet > hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools, > do you still think that just believing is enough?' [Stuff deleted] > Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do) > as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James > in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out' > > Can anyone help me, this really bothers me. Will, there has been a lot of discussion going on about this over in s.r.c.b-s. I will make the case here though and try to help you out: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9). Yes, it is by God's grace and our faith that we are saved. We are not saved by what we do. However, 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15). Keeping Christ's commandments is a ""work"" per se, and a demonstration of our love for him. Also, 6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. 7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? 8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: 9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down. (Luke 13:6-9). Again, 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. (John 15:16). It is clear from these verses that we are called to bring forth fruit. What is that fruit. Well, Paul speaks of the fruit of the spirit being love, joy, peace, patience, etc. All of these are things that are manifest in the actions that we carry out. If a person claims to believe in Jesus Christ, but does not do the things Christ commanded, I dare say, that they really don't have any faith. Asking which is more important, faith or works, is like asking which blade on a pair of scissors is most important or like asking which leg of your pants is more important. Good works should come out of and be a result of our faith. To have faith, true faith in Christ requires you to do what he commands. The parable above speaks allegorically of a person who does bear no fruit. Christs commands are actions, and if we don't do those actions and produce fruit, then we shall be uprooted just like the tree. It is a dead and useless faith which has no action behind it. Actions prove our faith and show the genuineness of it. I can sit and talk for days about the fact that I have so much faith in my ability to jump off a building and not hit the ground. In other words, I can sit and tell you all day long that I have faith in my ability to fly. I really don't have that faith though unless I am willing to jump off the roof and take the test. Words and talk mean nothing. I could go on and give more scriptures and if people want me to I will, but this should be sufficient. Hope it helped. Jon ---------------- sig file broken.... please try later... ---------------- ";-1;0 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Wings take game one Keywords: The Detroit Red Wings - 6 ; The Toronto Maple Leafs - 3 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr20.032350.18885@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <1qvos8$r78@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes: > >> The Detroit Red Wings put a lot of doubter on ice tonight with a 6 - 3 >>washing of the Toronto Maple Leafs. All you Toronto fans have now seen the >>power of the mighty Red Wing offense. Toronto's defense in no match for the >>Wing offense. As for the defense, Probert, Kennedey and Primeau came out > >Did they move Probert back to defense? Why did I see him parking his ass >in front of Potvin all night? Somebody is going to have to discipline >Probert if the Leafs want to win the series. Perhaps a fresh Clark should >hit the ice at the end of a long Probert shift and straigten him out for >a while... > During the regular season, when the intensity is down, not many teams have forwards who will continually go and park themselves in front of the opposing teams net...and the inadequacy of the Leafs defense in this regard thus didn't matter...however, the playoffs are a different story...every good team is going to have players who are going to become potted plants in front of Potvin...and the Leafs relatively unphysical defensive core will finally be exposed as weak an inept. Hard work will go a long way during the regular season...almost to 100 points...and the Leafs deserve credit for that...but in the playoffs talent matters, because everyone begins working hard. Gerald ";-1;0 "From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) Subject: Re: christians and aids Organization: Shell Oil Lines: 49 In article marka@travis.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: >In article kevin@pictel.pictel.com (Kevin Davis) writes: >>Many Christians believe in abstinence, but in a moment will be overcome >>by desire. We all compromise and rationalize poor choices (sin). Last >>week I was guilty of anger, jealousy, and whole mess of other stuff, >>yet I am forgiven and not condemned to suffer with AIDs. To even >>suggest that AIDS is ""deserved"" is ludicrous. > >When man was told not to have sex with relatives, did they listen ? >NO! And man found out why ! So what's your point? Mark's comment still is valid. To suggest that AIDS is ""deserved"" IS ludicrous. I sin. I can resolve to abstain from sin, and do weekly (more often, actually). Yet I routinely fail. I surely do deserve what I get, yet God compassionately provided the Incarnate Logos, Jesus, as a rememdy and a way out of our situation. If AIDS is deserved, I surely deserve instant death just as much, as do we all, as St. Paul so cogently remids us. To willingly judge ""others"" as deserving punishment seems to me to be the height of arrogance and lack of humility. >I wonder if AIDS would be a problem now if people didn't get >involved in deviant sexual behaviour. Certainly, people who >received tainted blood are not to blame. But it just goes >to show that all mankind is affected by the actions of a few. So what's the point here? I can get AIDS and NEVER engage in ""deviant"" sexual behavior. In fact, I could engage in LOTS of deviant sexual behavior with HIV+ people and never be infected. AIDS is a consequence of particular behaviors, many of which are not sexual. And not all sexual behaviors carry the risk of transmission. >In addition, IMHO forgiveness is not the end of things. >There is still the matter of atonement. Is it AIDS ? >I don't know. The end of all things is to know, love and serve God, growing daily closer through prayer, meditation and discipline. Even so I could get AIDS. Anyone could, unless they remain forever celibate, IV-drug-free, and transfusion free. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ------- Lawrence Overacker Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965 llo@shell.com ";-1;0 "From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca Subject: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Organization: BC Systems Corporation Lines: 20 Saw this in today's newspaper: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FORTUNE-GUZZLER BARRED FROM BARS -------------------------------- Barnstaple, England/Reuter A motorcyclist said to have drunk away a $290,000 insurance payment in less than 10 years was banned Wednesday from every pub in England and Wales. David Roberts, 29, had been awarded the cash in compensation for losing a leg in a motorcycle accident. He spent virtually all of it on cider, a court in Barnstaple in southwest England was told. Judge Malcolm Coterill banned Roberts from all bars in England and Wales for 12 months and put on two years' probation after he started a brawl in a pub. -- Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca ";-1;0 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 4/16 (Keenan stuff!) Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr17.015225.29031@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: > >* The Oilers will charge to eat in the Press Room next year. > There was an article in one of the Toronto papers about this a few months ago...probably the Globe and Mail... ...any ethical ""journalist"", even a sports journalist should not accept free meals from a team in any case, which was the one of the points the article was making. Admittdly, most sports reporting is mostly with any ethical standards... Gerald ";-1;0 "From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) Subject: Re: Help! Which bikes are short? Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr20.170445.18331@ncar.ucar.edu> bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes: >Help! I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle. This is great! >Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28"" seat. This is not great. So far, >the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440. Look for a happier-looking KZ440? Suzuki used to have an L designation, for example my former boss had a GS850L which had a seat a couple inches lower than the ""regular"" GS850, but it was certainly no cruiser. -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) -- '80 BMW R65 DoD #0969 also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al. ";-1;0 "From: MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu Subject: Re: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie Article-I.D.: auvm.93095.210625MWEINTR Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Lines: 38 Also sprach slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca ... >TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported that >Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin Damphousse >and Brian Bellows to Phillidelphia, Phillie will send Eric Lindros >to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick to Montreal. > >If this is true, it will most likely depend on whether or not Ottawa >gets to choose 1st overall. Can Ottawa afford Lindros' salary? > >Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything. >They didn't give away that much to Quebec just to trade him away >again. Not to mention that Lindros seems to be a *huge* draw in >Phillie -- and that he represents a successful future for the >franchise. > >Ottawa may be better off taking the 4 players +$15 from Montreal >for the pick. > >Stephen Legge >SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca Two things: 1. Didn't the trade deadline pass two weeks ago? 2. The FLYERS would never ever EVER give up Lindros, simple as that. Go Flyers, Cup in '94... Mike --- ***Yes-Rush-Marillion-ELP-Genesis-King Crimson-Dream Theater-Beatles*** * Mike Weintraub, aka Jvi on IRC ""Courageous convictions * * mweintr@american.edu will drag the dream * * jedi@wave.cerf.net into existence"" * * The American University, Washington DC - Rush (NOT Limbaugh) * ***Go Philadelphia Flyers, Vancouver Canucks & Philadelphia Phillies*** ";-1;0 "From: neal@magpie.linknet.com (Neal) Subject: Re: rnitedace and violence Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC Distribution: usa X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 28 I am glad that you recognize that people should not engage in denial and repression, and should acknowledge such. The United States, with its people, have recognized that repression has taken place, with the loss and outright abrogation of civil liberties and constitutional protections of citizens. This recognition has taken the form of the civil rights law (let's just discuss the federal level for now), such as 18 USC 241 et. seq., 42 USC 1981 et. seq, et. al. With this recognition of repression, at times manifested in the form of collective guilt, I want people to recognize denial. Though it can be said that white people numerically commit more crimes in the United States, because white people are a majority, it can also be said that black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime in the United States, in their relation to their numbers in population. My views are out of experiences when I was a police officer in a large metropolitan area, and of a citizen. Unless people account for their behavior, and for the behavior of their immediate community, nothing will improve. Regards, Neal ";-1;0 "From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: A Miracle in California Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 23 |> |> |> When I first started riding street bikes I was told it was common to recieve/ |> give a wave to a fellow biker. What astounded me on moving to the left coast from the right coast, was to actually get waves from HARLEY riders! No, Really! I remember the first time as a truely memorable event. It might have something to do with the... No. I refuse to bring that up again. Thanks EVO, for being a Harley rider that waves first. --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. ";-1;0 "From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: To Rob Lanphier Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 82 Dear Rob, >When I read Brian K.'s postings, I find someone who is honestly seeking >the truth. When I read your response here, I see condescension. When you >reply to a post, reply to the post you quote. This statement undermines >any good points you might have had (it was enough to make me stop reading). Sometimes I do come across condesending, and I am sorry I come across that way at times. Thank you for the reproach, I really do appreciate it. I'll try to get better. Rob, at the same time, I have also learned that some people respond to the gentle approach while others respond only at a harsh rebuke. Brian K., so far, only responds to the latter. And I am glad he responds at all. In both cases of approach, my intention is to be loving. I am making no excuse for myself if I am coming across condesending. I apologize for that. Rob, sometimes Brian K. comes across as honest. I know this. But Brian K. vasillates back and forth. One post looks honest; the next is an excuse. Now he wants me to explain the universe in 50 words or less. I think Brian Kendig is really trying but he is too comfortable with his set of excuses. I just want Brian K. to be honest with himself. If he really wants to know, he will ask questions and stop asserting irrelevant excuses which have nothing to do with my God. I wish Brian would read the Bible for himself and come to his own decisions without being sidetracked with the temptation to mock God. From my perspective Rob, when I look at Brian Kendig, I see a man standing out in the middle of a highway. Off into the distance I see a Mack truck heading right for him, but Brian K. is faced away from the oncoming truck. He doesn't see it. Here's is how I see the dialog: Me: ""Brian K, please step aside before you get run over."" BK: ""There is no truck."" Me: ""Turn around at look."" BK: ""No."" Me: ""Look! You will be healthier if you do take a look at the oncoming truck."" BK: ""No. Explain to me why trucks exist."" Me: ""Turn around or you will run over."" BK: ""No. I won't because I like hiking and tomorrow is Tuesday."" Me: ""You blind fool! Why do you choose ignorance? You have nothing to lose if you look. But if do not look, you will certainly lose your life."" I do not want to see you squashed all over the road. BK: ""It is my life to lose. I rather not look. Besides, a truck running over me will not harm me."" And by the way, I really have an open mind."" So is my motivation to belittle Brian, or to love Brian the best I know how? I do not wish to single Brian Kendig out. Because millions if not billions of people fall into the same category. Perhaps all people fall have fallen into this category at one time in their lives. I have. I can now see the truck behind Brian. My hope is that Brian will look and will see the ramifications of the truck coming towards him. My hope is that Brian will want to step out of the way. My fear, though, is that Brian will instead choose to glue himself to the middle of the highway, where he will certainly get run over. But if he so chooses, he so chooses, and there is nothing I can do beyond that to change his mind. For it is his choice. But at this very moment, Brian hasn't gotten even that far. He is still at the point where he does not want to look. Sure he moves his eyeball to appease me, but his head will not turn around to see the entire picture. So far he is satisfied with his glimpse of the mountains off in the distance. Thank you again Rob for your reproach. I really do appreciate it. (My wife tells me the same thing at times.) :-) I will try to do better. ";-1;0 "From: mbeale@groucho.mrc.uidaho.edu (Mark Beale) Subject: Re: Quadra Acceleration Article-I.D.: moscow.C5G4MM.6xI Distribution: na Organization: Microelectronics Research Center Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: groucho.mrc.uidaho.edu About this QUADRA 700, 800 clock acceleration: has anyone heard of anything like it for the QUADRA 950? Please reply e-mail, I don't get to the news very often. Thanks!! Mark Beale mbeale(at)wallaby.mrc.uidaho.edu ";0;1 "From: brent@vpnet.chi.il.us (Brent Hansen) Subject: Re: GUI Study Organization: Vpnet Public Access Distribution: usa Lines: 58 In article <1993Apr2.203400.15357@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c2xjfa@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (James F Allman III) writes: > >> >> > I'm doing a study on what the following type of users would like to >> > have on a Unix Manager. Basically I'm looking for the Unix commands >> > and features on Motif window interface which will help the different >> > type of users make use of Unix. >> ... >> Personally, I can't stand Motif. I also can't stand GUI Command Line! >> interfaces for things like access to the commands I know Command Line! >> and love. I think you'll find that experience [sic] users Command Line! >> >> der Mouse >> ... >A year and a half ago I felt the same way. The I started using >gooyies. Give me the command line when something out of the ordinary >needs done, and the gooy when I am doing normal or repative work. >Note that most operations are repetative. Hackers love CLs because > ... What I like about GUI's: - The ability to view and manipulate a group of objects, files, text, directories, etc. and and manipulate them in some way such as delete, copy, paste, rename ... - The ability to have several applications / screens visible and accessable at the same time. - Being able to do a standard set of functions easily and quickly on an unfamiliar operating system. I am familiar with the command lines of several operating systems but occasionally I will have to some work on a system that I almost never use. If it has a GUI, I can usually accomplish what I want to do fairly easily, the command line on the other hand often is a long and painful experience. What I hate about GUI's: - Having to switch between the mouse and the keyboard. I guess I have a strong one-handed preference. I like to use a computer with one hand and use the other for holding something like a piece of paper of a mug of tea. I have configured my favorite editor so that most of the editing functions can be done with one hand such as navigating, cutting, pasting, searching, opening and saving files, etc. The main thing I need to use both hands for is entering text. I guess I need to get one of those mice with, like, 20 buttons or something and then I will have the best of both worlds. Brent ";12;1 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: >So, you are saying that it isn't possible for an instinctive act >>to be moral one? That is, in order for an act to be an act of morality, >>the person must consider the immoral action but then disregard it? >No, I'm saying that in order for an act to be moral or immoral, somebody/ >someone/something must _consider_ it to be so. That implies intelligence, >not instinct. Who has to consider it? The being that does the action? I'm still not sure I know what you are trying to say. keith ";-1;0 "From: rbarclay@trentu.ca (ROSS BARCLAY) Subject: TWAIN drivers for Logitech Scanman News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Organization: Trent Computing and Telecommunications Department Lines: 11 Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew whether or not Logitech had Windows TWAIN drivers for the Scanman. If so, are the drivers on the net somewhere? My Scanman is the model one down from the Scanman 256. Thanks in advance. Ross Barclay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ross Barclay -- RBarclay@TrentU.Ca Peterborough, Ontario ";6;1 "From: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) Subject: Is there an FTP achive for USGS terrain data Organization: Diablo Creative Reply-To: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 6 Is there an FTP archive for United States Geological Services (USGS) terrain data? If so, where? -- charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress? +1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress. ";1;1 "From: chips@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Charlie Mathew) Subject: Interdisc. Bible Research Inst. Organization: Temple University Lines: 27 Hi! Anyone know anything about the Interdisciplinary Bible Research Institute, operating out of Hatfield, Pa? I'm really interested in their theories on old-earth (as opposed to young earth) and what they believe about evolution. Thanks, In the Master, Charley. -- Seek God and you will find, among other things, piercing pleasure. Seek pleasure and you will find boredom, disillusionment and enslavement. John White (Eros Defiled). [Note that I do not accept discussions of evolution here, as there is a dedicated group for that, talk.origins. --clh] ";17;1 "From: sylvain@netcom.com (Nicholas Sylvain) Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 17 In article dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes: >For what it is worth, I own no firearms of any sort. As long-time >readers of this group know, I am dedicated to the RKBA. A long-time reader of t.p.g, I am also a staunch RKBA supporter, yet I own no firearms. >This is not about toys. It is about freedom. Amen, brother. -- Nicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA -- Nicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA ";-1;0 "From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 17 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: > But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much > worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" to > argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main > concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) I agree. This is the danger I see, not the system itself. That is to say, this is a political issue, not a technical one. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation ";-1;0 "From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu Organization: not Sun Microsystems Lines: 148 In article 1328@geneva.rutgers.edu, gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) writes: >dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: [deletia- sig] >> p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow >>it blindly? >> Do the words ""Question Authority"" mean anything to you? >> I defy any theist to reply. > [deletia- formalities] I probably should let this pass, it's not worth the time, and it's not really intended for me. But I couldn't resist. A personal weakness of mine. Jerkius Kneeus. Tragically incurable. >The foundation for faith in God is reason, without which the existence >of God could not be proven. That His existence can be proven by reason >is indisputable (cf. my short treatise, ""Traditional Proofs for the >Existence of God,"" and Summa Theologica). Not so; I can prove that the existance of God is disputable by showing that people dispute it; This is easy: I dispute that God exists. Simple. I missed your ""Traditional Proofs"" treatise, but the proofs I remember from the Summa Theologic (the 5 ways I think it was) were rather poor stuff. The Ontological argument is about a billion times better, imho. I would think you'd want non-traditional proofs, considering the general failure of the traditional proofs: at least the ones I know of. (I am thinking of the Ontological Argument, the Cosmological Argument and the Teleological argument. Those are the ones traditional enough to have funny names, anyway.) >Now, given that God exists, and that His existence can be proven by reason, >I assert that His commands must be followed blindly, although in our fallen >condition we must always have some measure of doubt about our faith. Why? This is the real question. So to discuss it, I'll assume God exists. Otherwise, there is no heavenly authority to babble about. >Because God is the First Cause of all things, the First Mover of matter, >the Independent Thing that requires nothing else for its existence, the >Measure of all that is perfect, and the essential Being who gives order >to the universe (logos). Please show this is the case. I am familiar with the First Cause argument, and I'll accept (for the sake of argument) that there is a First Cause, even though I find some of its premices questionable. The rest you'll have to show. This includes that the First Cause is God. >I next assert that God is all good. Got it. I deny that God is all good. So there. > If this is so, then that which is >contrary to the will of God is evil; i.e., the absence of the good. And, >since God can never contradict Himself, then by His promise of a Savior >as early as the Protoevangelium of Genesis 3:5, God instructs that because >a human (Adam) was first responsible for man's alienation from the Source >of all good, a man would be required to act to restore the friendship. >Thus God became incarnate in the person of the Messiah. This isn't self-consistent: if humans must renew the relationship, then God (incarnate or not) can't do it. Well, unless you think God is human. Granted, God made himself 'human', but this is nonetheless cheating: The intent of the statement is clearly that man has to fix the problem he caused. God fixing it- even by indirect means- contradicts this. >Now this Messiah claimed that He is the Truth (John 14:6). If this claim >is true, then we are bound by reason to follow Him, who is truth incarnate. Why? Also, why assume said claim is true anyway? If *I* claim to be Truth, are you bound by reason to follow me? >You next seem to have a problem with authority. Have you tried the United >States Marine Corps yet? I can tell you first-hand that it is an excellent >instructor in authority. :) Undoubtably. Do you mean to imply we should all obey the commands of the Marines without question? You seem to imply this about God, and that the Marines are similar in this respect.. If this is not what you are trying to say, they please explain what it is you are saying, as I have missed it. > If you have not yet had the privilege, I will >reply that the authority which is Truth Incarnate may never be questioned, >and thus must be followed blindly. Why? Why not question it? Even if it *is* truth, we cannot know this certainly, so why is it so irrational to question? Perhaps we will thus discover that we were wrong. You assert that God is Truth and we can't question Truth. But I assert that God is not Truth and anyway we can question Truth. How is it my assertion is less good than yours? > One may NOT deny the truth. Oh? I hereby deny 1+1=2. I hope you'll agree 1+1=2 is the truth. Granted, I look pretty damn silly saying something like that, but I needed something we'd both agree was clearly true. Now, you'll notice no stormtroopers have marched in to drag me off to the gulag. No heaven lighting bolts either. No mysterious net outages. I seem to be permited to say such things, absurd or not. > For >example, when the proverbial apple fell on Isaac Newton's head, he could >have denied that it happened, but he did not. The laws of physics must >be obeyed whether a human likes them or not. They are true. They are certainly not true. At least, the ones Newton derived are not true, and are indeed wildly inaccurate at high speeds or small distances. We do not have a set of Laws of Physics that always works in all cases. If we did, Physics would be over already. Science is all about Questioning this sort of truth. If we didn't, we'd still follow Aristotle. I'd generalize this a little more: If you want to learn anything new, you MUST question the things you Know (tm). Because you can always be wrong. >Therefore, the Authority which is Truth may not be denied. Even presupposing that Truth may not be Denied, and may not be Questioned, and that God is Truth, it only follows that God may not be Denied or Questioned. NOT that he must be obeyed! We could unquestioningly DISobey him. How annoying of us. But you have not connected denial with disobedience. --- - Dan ""No Nickname"" Johnson And God said ""Jeeze, this is dull""... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0 These opinions probably show what I know. ";-1;0 "From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) Subject: Re: This just in . . . . Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 29 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca Keywords: C-sharp News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr2.144102.7445@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes... >In article <1993Apr01.155407.11314@i88.isc.com> > jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes: >>In article <1993Mar31.175023.18928@rchland.ibm.com> >> pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes: >>>>sampled recently were using unauthorized software, the Inspector General >>>>said in a new report. >>The Inspector General? >>Make way, for His Excellency, The Inspector General! >>(...Hail, hail to Brodney, to the sky...) >Behold the Lord High Executioner... >no, that's something else. I've already discussed this in e-mail with Jonathan. It's the film ""The Inspector General"" [:-)], with Danny Kaye, although I can't quote the name of the leading lady (Because Maltin doesn't :-(). Jonathan thinks there was an earlier Russian film; ""Movies on TV"" just says it was based on a Gogol (Yes, Jonathan, I looked it up again -- only two o's) story. Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH. ivan@cvax.psi.ch GSX600F, RG250WD. SI=2.66 ""You Porsche. Me pass!"" DoD #484 ";7;1 "From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett) Subject: Re: sex education Organization: Netcom Lines: 20 In article bruce@liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) writes: >I'd be fascinated to see such evidence, please send me your article! >On the negative side however, I suspect that any such simplistic link > abstinence-education => decreased pregnancy, > contraceptive-education => increased pregnancy >is false. The US, which I'd guess has one of the largest proportion of >""non-liberal"" sex education in the western world also has one of the highest >teenage pregnancy rates. (Please correct me if my guess is wrong.) I've sent the article. In terms of the group discussion, I wanted to point out that ""non-liberal education"" (head in the sand) is not the same as ""abstinence education"". We had ""non-liberal education"" regarding drugs when I was a kid in the 60's, which didn't do us a lot of good. But ""abstinence education"" regarding drugs has proven effective, I think. -- Joe Kellett jkellett@netcom.com ";-1;0 "From: peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen) Subject: Re: comparative SCSI performance Originator: peterco@eff.org Nntp-Posting-Host: eff.org Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 12 Kurt Tiedtke (ktiedtke@jarthur.claremont.edu) wrote: : Could someone direct me to information on SCSI performance for each Mac? : (Max throughput, etc.) Max thruput on a Centris or Quadra is about 3.3 MB/sec. Max thruput on IIci or IIfx or equivalent is about 1.4 MB/Sec Max thruput on slower machines is slower. -- +-----------------+------------------------------------------------+ | Peter A. Cohen | No, I don't reflect my employer's opinions. | | peterco@eff.org | Heck! My employer doesn't even know I'm here! | +-----------------+------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: mdouglas@netcom.com (Hokh'Ton) Subject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 39 In <1qqfam$ogh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison) writes: >In a previous article, kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) says: >>thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >> >>>In article kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: >>>> How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on >>>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that >>> ^^^^^ >>>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? >> >>>I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important. >> >> I'm curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several >>different news groups, including something along the lines of alt.discrimination Look Rodney King is black and large. I have several large black male friends,and they are referred to as being large black men ( to their faces, and by >>themselves ). You know, Ted, I have a large number of adjectives for you, >>but I will spare you most of them because I try not to get into personal >>flame wars. Let me just say that I think your action of cross posting this >>was total BS, and you're trying to start some crap. Hopefully, others will >>see through your trite little game and not play along. > You still haven't addressed Ted's statement. We're waiting. Yeah, I'm also curious as to why you felt compelled to remind us of the guy's race. BTW, I don't mean to imply that you're clueless or anything, but the statement was *hardly* ""benign"". -- Hokh'Ton : The Crystal Wind is the Storm, mdouglas@netcom.com : and the Storm is Data, Michael Douglas-Llyr : and the Data is Life. : ---Player's Litany (The Long Run) ";-1;0 "From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu () Subject: Re: Printing Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr15.053905.16811@sarah.albany.edu> me9574@albnyvms.bitnet writes: [advertises his printing business] Oh, dear. Let me be the first on my block. You have just violated one of the major shibboleths of the Usenet groups: you're not supposed to use a newsgroup to plug your own commercial enterprise (of _any_ kind; people frequently get flamed for announcing they've got a new book out.) I don't know whether this is an official Usenet rule or just a long- standing custom, and it doesn't make much difference from a practical point of view. So please don't do it again. And all you others, who are even now taking keyboard in hand to flame him off the face of the earth--lay off. He didn't know any better. He does now. Dorothy J. Heydt UC Berkeley cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu Disclaimer: UCB and the Cozzarelli lab are not responsible for my opinions, and in fact I don't think they know I have any. ";-1;0 "From: ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us (Dave Ihnat) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Summary: But, for all its flaws, the domino theory was right... Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX Distribution: na Lines: 8 In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: > Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this >kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor >will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt >in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. But, for all the wrongness of our attempt to correct it (VietNam, et. al.), the domino theory wasn't disproved at all. ";-1;0 "From: jahonen@cc.lut.fi (Jarmo Ahonen) Subject: Re: What is "" Volvo "" ? Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland Lines: 64 boyle@bbsls23.bnr (Ian Boyle) writes: >740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I >believe the Beetle corners better. >I can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever. >I've been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who 'only thought they'd be a few minutes'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car. >Not sure how long the small shit-box Volvos last - too damn long. The worst car I ever drove was a hired 340. In power, handling and ride it was reminiscent of something >from the 50s, without the character. The 340 only ceased production a couple of years back. I've only been a passenger in the big Volvos, but that was enough. I ought to go >for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts. Oh, well... I have to admit that the most disgusting feature of Volvo's is their marketing. It looks like Volvo uses something like ""Do you dare to risk your family in any car?"" attitude, which is quite annoying in the long run. But now Volvo has produced a new good car, the Volvo 850. Front drive, 2.4 L 20 valves motor, completely new chassis etc. Even the British magazine ""CAR"" liked it (and believe me, that is quite much for a Volvo). And the American magazine ""Road & Track"" said that ""This is not your uncle Olof's car"", and in a positive sense. But in any case, I'd still like to own the 960 estate. Strong, tank-like chassis, 3.0L inline six, rear drive. :-) :-) BTW, the only car drivers who have blocked me are Land Rover or Jaguar drivers... :-) :-) :-) :-) What? You mean what I drive? A cheapo Japanese (a Toyota) of course, I do not have money for a *car*. (like BMW, Merc, Jaguar, Saab 9000, Volvo 850 (or 960), etc) If I had the money, I would have *bad* problems deciding which one to buy :-) :-) :-). ";-1;0 "From: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) Subject: Re: EMM386.EXE and Windows and Dos6 Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 37 Reply-To: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, rudim@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Rudi Maelbrancke) says: >In Windows I created a permanent Swap-file of 7771Kb as win3.1 >recommended me to do that (32bit access). >If I use EMM386.EXE, after win3.1 startup I have 6689K of memory >free, if I leave EMM386.EXE out of my config.sys I have 9935K >of memory free, and windows recommends me a swap file of 11769K. > I think you need the EMM386.EXE noems This will let the expanded mem be active but not use any, therefore this will give you more extended mem for windows yet have all the bases covered. >I use DOS6, with memmaker, have 4MB of internal Memory and a 486DX, > I do not use dos6 so I am not familiar with this. >Does anybody knows why this is happening (possibly win needs >some UMB's to manage virtual memory?, If true, which UMB's, those >that EMM386 can find without including suspicious parts?) > >I need an optimized DOS-environment, because i develop applications for >DOS using a windows programming environment. > > >Rudi > c-ya..... /\/\artin -- This communication is sent by /\/\artin University of Arizona Tucson ========================================================================= ak333@cleveland.freenet.edu mlinsenb@ccit.arizona.edu mlinsenb@arizvms DEATH HAS BEEN DEAD FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS ****** FOLLOW THE KING OF KINGS ";-1;0 "From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? Organization: Motorola Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.43 Lines: 31 In article <1r54to$oh@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >The question i have about the proton, is could it be handled at >one of KSC's spare pads, without major malfunction, or could it be >handled at kourou or Vandenberg? Seems like a lot of trouble to go to. Its probably better to invest in newer launch systems. I don't think a big cost advantage for using Russian systems will last for very long (maybe a few years). Lockheed would be the place to ask, since you would probably have to buy the Proton from them (they market the Proton world wide except Russia). They should know a lot about the possibilities, I haven't heard them propose US launches, so I assume they looked into it and found it unprofitable. >Now if it uses storables, Yes... >then how long would it take for the russians >to equip something at cape york? Comparable to the Zenit I suppose, but since it looks like nothing will be built there, you might just as well pick any spot. The message is: to launch now while its cheap and while Russia and Kazakstan are still cooperating. Later, the story may be different. Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com) Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector Schaumburg, IL ";-1;0 "From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Who, me??? Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr15.010329.23133@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) writes: >[Followups set out of talk.abortion...] > >In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >>Am I reading this thread wrong or is this just another bemoaning of the fact >>that Christianity has a code of objective morality? > >Please define this ""objective morality"". > >While you're at it, please state the theory of creationism. Still searching for an irrelevant issue in which to mire a pro-lifer, I see. Slimy tactic. - Kevin ";-1;0 "From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes: >>People who bought MGB`s bought them because they were an open topped sportscar >>and embodied what people thought they should for an old fashioned traditional >>brit. sportscar - not because they were great at anything. >Pretty much like the people who buy the Mazda MX-5 (Miata) today. Small >fun and you can fool yourself (and a lot of other people) that you have the >performance of many far superior (and much more expensive) performnace cars. I have been for a fairly hard run in an MX5, what they lack in power they surely make up for in handling. Great for back streets with heaps of corners. They are a fairly light car with a low center of gravity and a quite free revving DOHC engine, a fun car. Have you driven a TURBO converted MX5? Now they are starting to perform! I've often thought a Mazda rotary would go well in the XM5 too....anyone done it? Regards Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@psy.uwa.oz.au] PH: Aus [61] Perth (09) Local (380 3272). _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth [32S, 116E]--> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v Joy is a Jaguar XJ6 with a flat battery, a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic wife, 9km outside of a small remote town, 3:15am on a cold wet winters morning. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: aad@scr.siemens.com (Anthony A. Datri) Subject: Re: Nice gif code Nntp-Posting-Host: lovecraft.siemens.com Organization: Siemens Weyland-Yutani Lines: 7 >There is a thing called xgif xgif is the grandfather of XV. -- ======================================================================8--< ";-1;0 "From: aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko) Subject: Re: Sega Genesis for sale w/Sonic 1/2 Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Lines: 15 aboyko@dixie.com (Andrew boyko) writes: >4 month old Sega Genesis, barely used, one controller, in original >box, with Sonics 1 and 2. $130 gets the whole bundle shipped to you. >Turns out they're not as addictive when they're yours. Anyway, mail me if >you're interested in this marvel of modern technology. Well, I've been informed that the price on the whole thing I'm selling is now less than the price I'm selling it for. That will teach me to wait that long before getting rid of electronic equipment. Nevermind, everyone, I'm keeping the thing. --- Andrew Boyko aboyko@dixie.com ";-1;0 "From: ll12@quads.uchicago.edu (li liu) Subject: Florida vacation package forsale Article-I.D.: midway.1993Apr6.060213.211 Reply-To: ll12@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 24 The package is called Sun and Sand, it includes: --5 days/ 4 nights(2+2) accommodations in Orlando and Daytona beach; --hotels are selected from major hotel chains and family resorts; --two adults and up to three children; --fully transferable; --expires at 09/93, $20 for extention of one more year; --it needs a 45 days advance reservation (esp. for peak season), the reservation department will offer a coupon book which may give you saving up to $150. --price: I bought it for $199, which is a good deal for peak seasons. For now, I will not turn down any reasonable offers. must sell. It doesn't include transportation. And you have to pay $3/day for hotel tax. Please e-mail your respond. ";-1;0 "From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: :Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms :'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that :there are actually *few* cases where this is so. You ""think"" wrong. Ask the FBI. They've got the proof. Look it up. :The bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary :opponents ... those who posessa a cool jakcet you want, those who :would argue with you about a parking space, those who would :take your woman. In short, trivial and worthless causes. You lie like a snake. The ""vast majority"" of the 200 MILLION firearms in this country are never used in anger. Your feelings notwithstanding. :Too much of this has ruined you cause. There is no recovery. :In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms. :No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking, :than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault. We will overcome the kind of blind, pig-headed, utterly stupid idiocy that you and others spout in a vain attempt to further your own agendas. We will make the truth be known, despite your best efforts to the contrary. :The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. The Second Amendment won't be dead unless it is repealed. That won't happen. EVER. Accept this. Find another way to try and control other's lives, because we see you for what you are, and we are not fooled. Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * ";-1;0 "From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Goalie masks Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 13 I'm starting an informal poll on goalie masks. I'd like to know who's mask you think looks the best. I've always like Curtis Joseph's of the Blues the best. Anyway, send your nominations to me, or post your vote here on r.s.h. My e-mail adress is: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu Thanks for your time. -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: volkert@kub.nl (Volkert) Subject: RE: 80486DX-50 vs 80586DX2-50 Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands Nntp-Posting-Host: itkdsh.kub.nl Lines: 19 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anonymous, I saw a posting about the choice between 80486DX-50 and a 80486DX2-50. I was wondering: although a DX-50 is faster because of the path to it's external cache, shouldn't the choice be the DX2-50 as that one can be made to work properly with a local-bus? I mean, cache speed is one thing, but all your speed will be blocked during video I/O, so just get that faster... I'm willing to speculate that the DX2-50 with local-bus will be 2-4 times as fast as the DX-50 and probably as expensive (or cheap ;-)! regards, JV ///// name: J-V Meuldijk [ o o ] address: gildelaar 4 \_=_/ 4847 hw teteringen _| |_ holland e-mail: volkert@kub.nl / \_/ \ _____________________________________________________________oOOO___OOOo__ ";5;1 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Nicknames Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr18.231914.143616@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jmunch@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (John Munch) wrote: > >Mathew ""FAQ"" can't remember his last name > >Keith ""Lie Tally .sig"" Ryan > >Kent ""Finn-tastic"" Sandvick > >Cindy ""Popsicle Toes"" Kandolf > >Jim ""Face .sig"" Tims > >Simon ""Clip-that-theist"" Clippendale > >Umar ""Reasonable"" Khan > >Rob ""Argue with G-d"" Strom > >Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller > >Maddi ""Never a useful post"" Hausmann > > Hey, what about an affectionate nickname for me? You could take my wrongly spelled surname :-). Cheers, Kent Sandvik --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";9;1 "From: jschief@finbol.toppoint.de (Joerg Schlaeger) Subject: Re: 16Mb ISA limit Distribution: world Organization: myself Lines: 14 rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us writes in article : > > marka@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Mark Ashley) writes: > > >Then the writer claims that glitches can > >occur in systems with over 16Mb because > >of that limit. That part I don't understand > >because the RAM is right on the motherboard. > >So the cpu should have no problems talking > >with the RAM. Can anybody explain this ? The floppy is served by DMA on the motherboard, and original DMA-controller can't reach more than the first 16MB (The address-space of the ISA-bus) joerg ";-1;0 "From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: CAR INSURANCE !!! HELP Article-I.D.: research.1993Apr6.193221.27234 Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 32 In article ochaine@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ollie 'North' Chaine) writes: > >HELP! my car insurance has been cancelled for the second time in a row! >I still haven't gotten in touch with my agent from AAA because ""she's >out for the week"" but my mom said that I got a call saying that my insurance >was going to be cancelled because of an accident ( not even a fender-bender) >that was never declared or anything. Besides the fact that i have no idea how they found out about this, the only >other thing that could bug them is that I have 1 ticket but I told them >about it and they said that it wasn't a problem. >If I go to another insurance, I know I will end up paying more (b/c I already >shopped around for this one) and I can't afford to pay for the insurance >especially since I still haven't gotten the $3000 the two insuance companies >are supposed to refund me. I just got a new Saturn SL2 and can't afford the >car payments and the insurance, but I bought the car having gotten a QUOTE >from State Farm which they later went back on. >PLEASE HELP ME! what legal rights do I have? Can I make State Farm who originally >gave me the quote give me that rate (they made a mistake after I signed all >the papers, I did not give any false evidence)? How can I get my money back >for the car if I can't pay for the insurance? I'm deperate!!! > Ollie I just went through this mess in New Jersey (I'm still waiting for a refund as well), namely, that the original company made a mistake and left me in the lurch. My recourse was through NJ's insurance dept. Office of Consumer Protection. You should have a similar office in your state. Make use of it. Good luck, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. ";-1;0 "From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division Lines: 18 In article mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes: > >Obcountersteer: For some reason, I've discovered that pulling on the >wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong >side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control. For >example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn >right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned >over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive. Maybe >I need psychological help. I told a newbie friend of mine, who was having trouble from the complicated explanations of his rider course, to think of using the handlebars to lean, not to turn. Push the right handlebar ""down"" (or pull left up or whatever) to lean right. It worked for him, he stopped steering with his tuchus. I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada ";-1;0 "From: oelt0002@student.tc.umn.edu (Bret Oeltjen) Subject: Cheap video card for LC? w/fpu? Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-33.gw.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 7 Just wondering if anyone had info/experience with a video/fpu for a mac LC, just thinking of adding a second monitor, most likely grayscale. Bret Oeltjen exp(Pi i) + 1 = 0 University of Minnesota Electrical Engineering ";-1;0 "From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu Organization: Li'l Carlos and the Hormones Lines: 60 In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: > >At age 23 Alomar had a brilliant rookie year. True, he was limited >by injuries in his sophomore season, but his numbers both that yaer >and the year following were quite mediocre. This season the same >Bill James projects a ba of .265, OPS of 675. The same Bill James? Why do you say that? It sounds like you're suggesting Bill James had something to do with overhyping the kid to death. Au contraire; he was fairly critical of him after his ROY campaign, noting that he wasn't all-world as a catcher or a hitter. He called him basically average when everyone *else* in the media was predicting the next Johnny Bench or Roy Campanella. >Both of these young men were highly touted defensive catchers, >expected to be among the best ever in baseball. The reports I >read indicate that Lopez is very ordinary defensively. Which reports are those? >The Dodgers options are Parrish and Hernandez, and now only Carlos. >Piazza is 24. As long as he continues with his *very* hot bat, >they will keep him in the lineup because they need the offensive >production. When he cools off, look for the much better defensive >catcher Hernandez (only 25) to play more. I like Hernandez a lot, but if Piazza can catch the ball, you've gotta play him IMHO. He's a much better hitter, although Hernandez isn't a *bad* hitter. Right now, it sounds like Piazza will catch most of the time and Hernandez will be Candiotti's caddy since he can catch the knuckler. As long as they play up to their abilities, the Dodgers could have a very good catching tandem. >The Braves options are Berryhill and Olson. I agree that Olson is >nothing special, but I do think Berryhill is better than many >people on rsb believe. But both the Braves' catchers are very >good defensively (calling a game, blocking the plate, throwing) >and although they are somewhat weak offenivsively, they play on a team >that is not so much in need of another big bat. I think both are overrated defensively (see Nichols' Law of catcher defense), but that's something that's difficult to prove or disprove from your viewpoint or mine. About the only tangible thing we can look at is opponent's SB%, and that's clouded by how well your pitchers hold runners. Catchers ERA is a possibility, but it's subject to way too many biases. As for them 'playing on a team that is not so much in need of another big bat', I disagree here too. About the only chink in the Braves' armor is that they're weak offensively at several positions (CF, C, 2B, SS if Belliard plays, 1B unless Bream and Hunter form another super-platoon) and very weak defensively if Blauser plays. I'd like to see the Braves give at least one of Mel Nieves, Javy Lopez or Chipper Jones a shot, but much like the talent-rich Jays of recent years they'll be conservative and stick with what they have. I'm not saying that's wrong, just conservative. -- Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93 kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context! ""Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.."" - Stephen Lawrence ";14;1 "From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) Subject: Daily Verse Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA Lines: 4 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Galatians 6:9 ";-1;0 "From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) Subject: Re: So That's Where the Oil in my K75 Went Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org Distribution: world Organization: NOT Lines: 10 tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes: ]Just wanted to say ""Thanks"" to everyone who sent me e-mail or ]posted a reply to my question on the oil consumption in my K75S so what did _you_ decide? -- Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org ";-1;0 "From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) Subject: Please help identify video hardware Article-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqep5INN88e Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 I need a device (either an ISA board or a subsystem) which will take two RGB video signals and combine them according to a template. The template can be as simple as a rectangular window with signal one being used for the interior and signal two for the exterior. But I beleive fancier harware may also exist which I do not want to exclude from my search. I know this sort of hardware exists for NTSC, etc. but I need it for RGB. Please email and or post any leads.... Gordon Lang (glang@smail.srl.ford.com -or- glang@holo6.srl.ford.com) ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: The systematic genocide of the Muslim population by the Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 99 In article <1993Apr5.211146.3662@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >I dunno, Warren. Just the other day I heard a rumor that ""Serdar Argic"" >(aka Hasan Mutlu and Ahmed Cosar and ZUMABOT) is not really a Turk at all, >but in fact is an Armenian 1/64th or 63/64th? I must congratulate your analytical and excellent reportage about Diana. From the writings of tye biographers you quoted, I can perceive, maybe chauvinistically, the remnants of her Armenian genes. Even though she is only 1/64th Armenian, she seems to have many of the strong characteristics of Armenian women. Her Armenian ancestry is traced to Eliza Kewark (an Armenian from India), who married the Scottish merchant Thedore Forbes. From the union was born Kathleen Scott Forbes, who married James Crombie from Aberdeen. They had a daughter Jane, who married David Littlejohn. Their daughter Ruth married William Gill. Ruth Silvia Gill, the grandmother of Lady Diana, married Lord Fermoy, and their daughter, Frances Ruth Burke Roache, married the eight Earl of Spencer, who was the father of Lady Diana. It is noteworthy that Eliza Kewark was also referred to as Mrs. Forbesian (a characteristic Armenian surname ending). An Armenian-Scottish gene mix is dynamite. Levon K. Topuzian Assistant Professor Northwestern University Skoie, Illinois. TIME, December 21, 1992 'Letters' >who is attempting to make any discussion of the >massacres in Armenia of Turks so noise-laden as to make serious discussion >impossible, thereby cloaking the historical record with a tremendous cloud >of confusion. You have set up straw horses and knocked them down. I'm not impressed. Anyway, the Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire's eastern provinces, massacred 2.5 million defenseless Turkish women, children and elderly people, burned thousands of Turkish and Kurdish villages and exterminated the entire Turkish population of the Armenian dictatorship between 1914-1920. Such outrageous sleight of hand that is still employed today in Armenia brings a depth and verification to the Turkish genocide that is hard to match. A hundred years ago Armenians again thought they could get whatever they wanted through sheer terror like the Russian anarchists that they accepted as role models. Several Armenian terror groups like ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle resorted to the same tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores of innocent Turks and their families in the United States and Europe. It seems that they are doing it again, at a different scale, in fascist x-Soviet Armenia today. Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian armies in 1914, ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."" (London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316. ""In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the southern side of the lake."" ""Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions, Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims. Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common soldiers began deserting in droves."" ""With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks, Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of expected arrival of the invading Russian armies."" Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Nntp-Posting-Host: csclass.utdallas.edu Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas Lines: 30 >How do you do bus-mastering on the ISA bus? By initiating a DMA xfer. :) Seriously, busmastering adapter have their own DMA ability, they don't use the motherboards on-board DMA(which is *MUCH* slower). ISA has no bus arbitration, so if two busmastering cards in 1 ISA system try to do DMA xfers on the same DMA channel the system will lock or crash.(I forget) Their are 8 DMA channels in an ISA system. 0-7. 0-3 are 8-bit & 4-7 are 16-bit. The system uses DMA 0, a SoundBlaster uses DMA 1. I could buy a busmastering XGA-2 video card & a busmastering SCSI HA. In order for them to work properly, I would have to find out what DMA channel the XGA-2 card uses and then simply configure the SCSI HA to use a different DMA channel for its DMA xfers. I don't know if multiple DMA xfers can go on at the same time on ISA. I'm not sure if they can on EISA systems either. I do know that on EISA/MCA systems, you can allow BM cards to use the same DMA channel. Thanks. ";-1;0 "From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr25.222120.3411@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: >waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes: >> ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were >> tortured. We ALL suffered. > All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many >others suffered physically. I'm just waiting for Andi to tell us that African Americans should start paying compensation to White Americans who ""suffered"" from being slave owners. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. ";-1;0 "From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang) Subject: Re: Computer Parts/Camcorder Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 21 In article zardox@cscns.com (Randie O'Neal) writes: > >: 5.25"" 1.2MB and 3.5"" 1.44 Drives...new... planned on building machine, but >: ran out of funds... $30.00 each drive > >Carl, >What Brand of drives are these? Do you have documentation? >I'll go $40.00 + shipping if you have documentation... do not pay $40 for floppy drives.. they are about $40 new. also, you do not need documentation for floppies. installation for these things are idiot proof. just some advice.. -- ********************************************************************** C_ommon pchang@ic.sunysb.edu S_ense State University of New York @ Stony Brook E_ngineer ********************************************************************** ";8;1 "Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun cont From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu Lines: 17 In article hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) writes: >I'd like to point out that I was in error - ""Terminator"" began posting only >six months before he purchased his first firearm, according to private email >from him. >I can't produce an archived posting of his earlier than January 1992, >and he purchased his first firearm in March 1992. >I guess it only seemed like years. >Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation. I first read and consulted rec.guns in the summer of 1991. I just purchased my first firearm in early March of this year. NOt for lack of desire for a firearm, you understand. I could have purchased a rifle or shotgun but didn't want one. -Case Kim ";-1;0 "From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Lines: 21 ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the > Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's ""qualifications"" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany, show it. If you don't, shut up. Simple as that. > I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is > not appreciated. ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were tortured. We ALL suffered. Second, the name-calling was directed against YOU, not civil-libertarians in general. Your name-dropping of a fancy sounding political term is yet another attempt to ""cite qualifications"" in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument. Go back to the minors, junior. ";-1;0 "From: bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) Subject: Re: CView answers Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 14 In <1993Apr16.114158.2246@whiting.mcs.com> sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) writes: >A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I >am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.) >Thanks! > Ho boy. There is no way in HELL you are going to be able to view GIFs or do any other graphics in Linux without X windows! I love Linux because it is so easy to learn.. You want text? Okay. Use Linux. You want text AND graphics? Use Linux with X windows. Simple. Painless. REQUIRED to have X Windows if you want graphics! This includes fancy word processors like doc, image viewers like xv, etc. ";-1;0 "From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman) Subject: Re: ""ELECTRONIC"" ODOMETER Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon. Lines: 24 In article alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes: >If I'm not mistaken, altering the odometer is *illegal*. Furthermore, >I surmise it'll be tough to alter BMW's odometer if you got at it. >Some of the newer BMW's have electronic odometers making it even >more tamperproof. On the cars mentioned - 3 series from the late 80's the ""electronic"" odometer is really a mechanical drum type odometer, that is driven by pulses from a speed sensor on the rear axle. These pulses are converted into mechanical pulses that turn the odometer - and speedometer. No way changing or erasing an eprom is going to change the mileage reading. It also means the odometer is just as easy (or hard) to change as any other mechanical odometer. On the other hand it is a bit easier to disconnect the speed sensor and run the car with no speedometer or odometer reading...a simple switch will do the job. It also will disable the speed limiter, which will enable the car to reach it's full speed. ;-) -- Alan L. Peterman (503)-684-1984 hm & work al@qiclab.scn.rain.com It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter! ";-1;0 "From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) Subject: Re: Info needed for Cleveland tickets Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.35 Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr1.234031.4950@leland.Stanford.EDU>, bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes: |> I'm going to be in Cleveland Thursday, April 15 to Sunday, April 18. |> Does anybody know if the Tribe will be in town on those dates, and |> if so, who're they playing and if tickets are available? The tribe will be in town from April 16 to the 19th. There are ALWAYS tickets available! (Though they are playing Toronto, and many Toronto fans make the trip to Cleveland as it is easier to get tickets in Cleveland than in Toronto. Either way, I seriously doubt they will sell out until the end of the season.) -- Doug Bank Private Systems Division dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207 ";-1;0 "From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr19.144533.6779@cs.ruu.nl> clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes: >In ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner) writes: > >>Look in the /pub/SPACE directory on ames.arc.nasa.gov - there are a number >>of earth images there. You may have to hunt around the subdirectories as >>things tend to be filed under the mission (ie, ""APOLLO"") rather than under >>the image subject. >> >For those of you who don't need 24 bit, I got a 32 colour Amiga IFF >of a cloudless Earth (scanned). Looks okay when mapped on a sphere. >E-mail me and I'll send it you... Beware. There is only one such *copyrighted* image and the company that generated is known to protect that copyright. That image took hundreds of man-hours to build from the source satellite images, so it is unlikely that competing images will appear soon. ";-1;0 "From: ianf@random.se (Ian Feldman, The Other Internet Worm[tm]) <1omb6fINNm7s@lynx.unm.edu> Content-Type: setext/plain; charset=ascii_827 Organization: random design -- ""Opinions, cheaply"" Lines: 138 Summary: formatted as two 69-line pages (use a monospaced font!) Subject: SciP+Fi: fiction set in Comp-Science\ programming environs ================ ------------------------------------------------------------ |||||||| SciP+Fi ction set in C-Sci\programming environs list by Ian Feldman ..........:::::: ---------------------------------------- ---- -------------- Written by:_____ _Book Title_; publisher'year, pp v2.7 ISBN ----------- =============================== ------- ==== ############## John Brunner _Shockwave Rider_; Ray/Ballantine'84 $5_______ 0-345-32431-5 ""cracking the net to free information for the common good"" Pat Cadigan _Mindplayers_; (""an absolute must-have"" --Bruce Sterling) Pat Cadigan _Synners_; Bantam $5; (virtual reality)_______ 0-553-28254-9 Orson Scott Card _Lost Boys_; Harper Collins'92; (programmer and family \ encounters strange events in North Carolina) Denise Danks _Frame Grabber_; St.Martin's, hrdb [GBP]17____ 0-312-08786-1 computer-illiterate journalix tracks down murderer via BBS Toni Dwiggins _Interrupt_; (""a techno-mystery set in Silicon Valley"") Michael Frayn _The Tin Men_; Fontana, (""inspired lunacy"" but out of print) David Gerrold _When HARLIE was One Release 2.0_; Bantam'88__ 0-553-26465-6 William Gibson _Count Zero_; (computers as gods, part of a trilogy) William Gibson _Mona Lisa Overdrive_; (virtual reality)______ 0-553-28174-7 William Gibson _Burning Chrome_; (cyberpunk short stories)___ 0-441-08934-8 William Gibson _Neuromancer_; (industrial espionage)_________ 0-441-56959-5 (author guilty of inventing the cyberpunk genre) James Hogan _The Genesis Machine_; Del Ray'87 $3__________ 0-345-34756-0 James Hogan _Thrice Upon A Time_; (""time travel for information"") James Hogan _The Two Faces of Tomorrow_; Del Ray'79_______ 0-345-27517-9 ultimate test of AI-OS by letting it run a spacelab -> amok Stanislaw Lem _His Master's Voice_; (failed attempt to decode ET-message) Tom Maddox _HALO_ (""remarkable SF of robots & artificial intelligence"") George RR Martin _Nightflyers_; Tor Books'87___________________ 0-8125-4564-8 R A MacAvoy _Tea with the Black Dragon_; (""mystery around a computer \ fraud situation; computing bits ring true."") Vonda N McIntyre _Steelcollar Worker_; in Analog Nov'92; (blue-collar VR) Marge Piercy _Body of Glass_; Penguin'92, 584pp; (data piracy++) review \ finger ""books=Body_of_Glass%danny""@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au ---> David Pogue _Hard-Drive_; Diamond'93 $5, 304pp____________ 1-55773-884-X (*programmer dies in accident, leaves no documentation \ behind; software firms fight for market share with virii; \ ""right out of the pages of MacWorld"" --Steve Brock) Richard Powers _The Gold Bug Variations_; Morrow '91, (famous molecular \ scientist ponders on the ?why? of love, life in EDP dept.) Paul Preuss _Human Error_; (nanotech computer infects brain-damaged kid) Thomas J Ryan _The Adolescence of P1_; ACE'79_______________ 0-671-55970-2 (runaway AI experiment takes over mainframes, wrecks havoc) Bruce Sterling _The Difference Engine_; (with W Gibson) Bantam'91; finger \ ""books=The_Difference_Engine%danny""@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au Cliff Stoll _The Cuckoo's Egg_; (non-fiction but reads like one); review FTP ; /mac/tidbits/1991/tb048_18-Mar-91.etx Tom T Thomas _ME_; (""smart computers"") Vernor Vinge _Across Realtime_; Baen Books_____________ [several titles \ Vernor Vinge _Tatja Grimm's World_; Baen Books__________ soon available \ Vernor Vinge _The Witling_; Baen Books___________________ as Millennium \ Vernor Vinge _Threats and Other Promises_; Baen Books_____ Books in UK] Vernor Vinge _True Names & Other Dangers_; Baen Books'87___ 0-671-65363-6 Vernor Vinge _A Fire Upon The Deep_; Tor Books, 640p, $6___ 0-8125-1528-5 (""essentially about the future of the Internet"") John Varley _Press Enter_; (""Short story, gruesome, but good"") Ed Yourdon _Silent Witness_; (""Computer crime caper story; gumshoe \ has to explain intricacies of computer OS to girlfriend"") Herbert W Franke _Das Zentrum der Milchstrasse_; (""the center of the galaxy"") Herbert W Franke _Letzte Programmierer_; (""'the last programmer'; \ I do NOT mean Frank Herbert!"") Emil Zopfi _Computer Fuer 1001 Nacht_; Limmat Verlag, Switzerland Emil Zopfi _Jede Minute Kostet 33 Franken_; (last 4 in German; last 2 \ ""set in the commercial computing world of the early 70's"") ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- current version of this list via `finger ""scip+fi%danny""@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- compiled 930424; % mail -s ""additions/ comments/ updates --->"" ianf@random.se ================ ============================================= ============== Statistical breakdown -------------------------- +-- --------------------- SciP+Fiction -----+------------+------------------+ | # nominations /title ~~~~~~~~~~~~ /author # books nominated | +-- =========== ----------------------------+ =========== ================= + | 5 _The Adolescence of P-1_; Ryan | Vinge 10 6 titles | | 5 _Neuromancer_; Gibson | Gibson 10 5 titles | | 4 _True Names and Other Dangers_; Vinge | Ryan 5 _The Adolescence..| | 4 _Shockwave Rider_; Brunner | Brunner 4 _Shockwave Rider_ | | 4 _When H.A.R.L.I.E was One_; Gerrold | Gerrold 4 _When H.A.R.L.I.E.| | 4 _A Fire Upon The Deep_; Vinge | Hogan 3 3 titles | | 2 _Threats and Other Promises_; Vinge | Lem 3 _Fiasco_HMV_Solar.| +-- ----------------------------------------+ ----------- ----------------- + | # total nominations: 85; authors: 27; female: 5?6; sent in by: 42 readers | +======== ================ ============ ============ =======================+ Contributions by [unsorted FIFO]: ---------------------------------------- From: sbrock@teal.csn.org (Steve Brock) From: ""John Lacey"" From: malloy@nprdc.navy.mil (Sean Malloy) From: thom kevin gillespie From: Paul Christopher Workman From: kellys@code3.code3.com (Kelly Sorensen) From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) From: North_TJ@cc.curtin.edu.au (Tim North) From: LORETI@FNAL.FNAL.GOV (Maurizio Loreti) From: Stephen Hart From: Duane F Marble From: Matthias Neeracher From: Wolfram Wagner From: webb@tsavo.HKS.COM (Peter Webb) From: setzer@ssd.comm.mot.com (Thomas Setzer) From: kevles@acf3.NYU.EDU (Beth Kevles) From: dp@world.std.com (Jeff DelPapa) From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) From: hartman@uLogic.com (Richard Hartman) From: Vernor Vinge From: Paul Lebeau From: ""Lawrence Rounds"" From: phydeaux@cumc.cornell.edu (David Weingart) From: chgs02@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (By learning+courtesy) From: Rowan Fairgrove From: peterc@suite.sw.oz.au.sw.oz.au (Peter Chubb,x114,6982322,3982735) From: Gara Pruesse From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) From: ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer) From: jon@cs.washington.edu (Jon Jacky) From: eugene@nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) From: ""A.M.MAIR"" From: mengel@dcdmwm.fnal.gov (Marc Mengel) From: Roger Scowen From: kevino@clbooks.com (Kevin Oster -- System Administrator) From: chavey@cs.wisc.edu (Darrah Chavey) From: Vonda McIntyre From: Bruce Sterling From: ""Scott Thomas Yabiku"" From: Thomas Adshead From: Paul Andrews <76050.161@CompuServe.COM> ===== ======================================= ---------> MUCHO thanks to all! __Ian ""The Other internet Worm[tm]"" Feldman ";-1;0 "From: frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro) Subject: ST1100 ride Keywords: heavy Lines: 95 Sixteen days I had put off test driving the Honda ST1100. Finally, the 17th was a Saturday without much rain. In fact it cleared up, became warm and sunny, and the wind died. About three weeks ago, I took a long cool ride on the Hawk down to Cycles! 128 for a test ride. They had sold, and delivered, the demo ST1100 about fifteen hours before I arrived. And the demo VFR was bike-locked in the showroom -- surrounded by 150 other bikes, and not likely to move soon. Today was different. There were even more bikes. 50 used dirt bikes, 50 used street bikes, 35 cars, and a big tent full of Outlandishly Fat Touring Bikes With Trailers were all squeezed in the parking lot. Some sort of fat bike convention. Shelly and Dave were running one MSF course each, at the same time. One in the classroom and one on the back lot. Plus, there was the usuall free cookout food that Cycles! gives away every weekend in the summer. Hmmm, it seemed like a big moto party. After about ten minutes of looking for Rob C, cheif of sales slime, and another 5 minutes reading and signing a long disclosure/libility/ pray-to-god form I helped JT push the ST out into the mess in the parking lot. We went over the the controls, I put the tank bag from the Hawk into the right saddlebag, and my wife put everything else into the left saddlebag. ( Thats nice.... ) Having helped push the ST out to the lot, I thought it best to have JT move it to the edge of the road, away from the 100+ bikes and 100+ people. He rode it like a bicycle! 'It cant be that heavy' I thought. Well I was wrong. As I sat on the ST, both feet down, all I could think was ""big"". Then I put one foot up. ""Heavy"" came to mind very quickly. With Cindy on the back -- was she on the back? Hard to tell with seat three times as large as a Hawk seat -- the bike seemed nearly out of control just idling on the side of the road. By 3000 rpm in second gear, all the weight seemed to dissappear. Even on bike with 4.1 miles on the odometer, slippery new tires, and pads that did not yet bite the disks, things seems smooth and sure. Cycles! is on a section of 128 that few folks ever ride. About 30 miles north of the computer concentration, about five miles north of where I95 splits away, 128 is a lighly travelled, two lane limited access highway. It goes through heavily forested sections of Hamilton, Manchester-by-the-Sea and Newbury on its way to Gloucester. On its way there, it meets 133, a road that winds from the sea about 30 miles inland to Andover. On its way it goes through many thoroughly New England spots. Perfect, if slow, sport touring sections. Cindy has no difficulty with speed. 3rd gear, 4th gear, purring along in top gear. This thing has less low rpm grunt that my Hawk. Lane changes were a new experience. A big heft is required to move this thing. Responds well though. No wallowing or complaint. Behind the fairing it was fairly quiet, but the helmet buffeting was non-trivial. Top gear car passing at 85mph was nearly effortless. Smooth, smooth, smooth. Not sure what the v4 sound reminds me of, but it is pleasant. If only the bars were not transmitting an endless buzz. The jump on to 133 caused me to be less than impressed with the brakes. Its a down hill, reversing camber, twice-reversing radius, decreasing radius turn. A real squeeze is needed on the front binder. The section of 133 we were on was tight, but too urban. The ST works ok in this section, but it shows its weight. We went by the clam shack oft featured in ""Spencer for Hire"" -- a place where you could really find ""Spencer"", his house was about 15 miles down 133. After putting through traffic for a while, we turned and went back to 128. About half way through the onramp, I yanked Cindy's wrist, our singal for ""hold on tight"". Head check left, time to find redline. Second gear gives a good shove. Third too. Fourth sees DoD speed with a short shift into top. On the way to 133 we saw no cops and very light traffic. Did not cross into DoD zone because the bike was too new. Well, now it had 25 miles on it, so it was ok. Tried some high effort lane changes, some wide sweeping turns. Time to wick it up? I went until the buffeting was threating to pull us off the seat. And stayed there. When I was comfortable with the wind and the steering, I looked down to find an indicated 135mph. Not bad for 2-up touring. Beverly comes fast at more than twice the posted limit. At the ""get off in a mile"" sign, I rolled off the throttle and coasted. I wanted to re-adjust to the coming slowness. It was a good idea: there were several manhole-sized patches of sand on the exit ramp. Back to the slow and heavy behavior. Cycles! is about a mile from 128. I could see even more cars stacked up outside right when I got off. I managed to thread the ST through the cars to the edge of the concrete pad out front. Heavy. It took way too much effort for Cindy and I to put the thing on the center stand. I am sure that if I used the side stand the ST would have been on its side within a minute. My demo opinion? Heavy. Put it on a diet. Smooth, comfortable, hardly notices the DoD speed. I'd buy on for about $3000 less than list, just like it is. Too much $ for the bike as it is. -- Frank Evan Perdicaro Xyvision Color Systems Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today. 101 Edgewater Drive inhouse: frank@marvin, x5572 Wakefield MA outhouse: frank@contex.com, 617-245-4100x5572 018801285 ";-1;0 "From: steve@hcrlgw (Steven Collins) Subject: Sphere from 4 points Organization: Central Research Lab. Hitachi, Ltd. Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: hcrlgw > >Another method is to first find the center of the circle defined by 2 sets >of 3 points, and intersecting the normals from there. This would also define >the circle center. However, small numerical imprecisions would make the >lines not intersect. Supposedly 3 planes HAVE to intersect in a unique >point if they are not parallel. > Having thought about this, why don't you project the 2 lines onto the 2d plane formed by the lines. Do an intersection calculation in the plane in 2D, where you're guaranteed a unique solution (unless they're parallel which won't happen in this case), and then use parametric distance along the lines from the circle centres to determine the exact point of interest. This bypasses the messy error propogation required to do the calculation in 3d. Hope I haven't put my foot in it again! steve --- -- +---------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Steven Collins | email: steve@crl.hitachi.co.jp | | Visiting Computer Graphics Researcher | phone: (0423)-23-1111 | | Hitachi Central Research Lab. Tokyo. | fax: (0423)-27-7742 | ";-1;0 "From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) Subject: OEM weight scale Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 13 Does someone sell OEM scale units with either analog or digital output? I need something like the scales used in supermarket cash registers, with a dynamic range of a few pounds and reasonable accuracy. Any sources ? -David +------------------------------------------------------------+ | David Prutchi HC1DT | | Washington University | | Campus Box 1185 | | One Brookings Drive | | St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 | +------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "Subject: Teenage acne From: pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Pat Churchill) Organization: Actrix Networks Lines: 26 My 14-y-o son has the usual teenage spotty chin and greasy nose. I bought him Clearasil face wash and ointment. I think that is probably enough, along with the usual good diet. However, he is on at me to get some product called Dalacin T, which used to be a doctor's-prescription only treatment but is not available over the chemist's counter. I have asked a couple of pharmacists who say either his acne is not severe enough for Dalacin T, or that Clearasil is OK. I had the odd spots as a teenager, nothing serious. His father was the same, so I don't figure his acne is going to escalate into something disfiguring. But I know kids are senstitive about their appearance. I am wary because a neighbour's son had this wierd malady that was eventually put down to an overdose of vitamin A from acne treatment. I want to help - but with appropriate treatment. My son also has some scaliness around the hairline on his scalp. Sort of teenage cradle cap. Any pointers/advice on this? We have tried a couple of anti dandruff shampoos and some of these are inclined to make the condition worse, not better. Shall I bury the kid till he's 21 :) -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The floggings will continue until morale improves pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz Pat Churchill, Wellington New Zealand ";-1;0 "From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science Lines: 29 Distribution: world <1qppef$i5b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bailey.cpac.washington.edu In-reply-to: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 20:31:11 GMT In article <1qppef$i5b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: > Kent: > You say that > >There are about 4-10 competing Rosicrucian orders existing today, ^^^^^^^^^ > >most of them are spin-offs from OTO and other competing organizations > >from the 19th century France/Germany. Maybe I should write an article > Please don't! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ huh? it might be interesting. he is relating the story as I have heard it, btw. > >about all this, I spent some time investigating these organizations > >and their conceptual world view systems. > Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have > probably spent more time than you doing the same. > None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the > case. huh? care to back that up? josh ";-1;0 "From: sciamanda@edinboro.edu Subject: Re: Emergency Vehicle Sensors? traffic-light-phreaks? Organization: Edinboro University of PA Lines: 21 In article , linnig@m2000.dseg.ti.com (Mike Linnig) writes: > Folks, > > Here in the Dallas area I have noticed that it is quite common to see an odd > ""sensor"" on top of traffic lights. These have been here for at least six > years. I've often wondered what they are. > . . . > Mike Linnig, Texas Instruments Inc. | 97.43% of all statistics are made | > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Here in Erie, PA there is a system in the inner city called Rado-Lite (a trade name) which allows police and ambulance vehicles to gain right of way by controlling traffic lights through RADIO signals. The receivers look much like what you describe, but they include a UHF whip antenna (less than a foot tall) and a light which flashes on and off to let traffic know that an emergency vehicle has taken control and is approaching. Local folklore says this system was invented here; I don't know if this company has any other installations. It has been in operation for at least 30 years, going only by my memory. Bob Sciamanda Edinboro Univ of PA ";-1;0 "From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) Subject: Re: How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 16 In article <3456@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes: >In jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >>How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? > >That reminds me of the Armenian massacre of the Turks. > >Joel, I took out SCT, are we sure we want to invoke the name of he who >greps for Mason Kibo's last name lest he include AFU in his daily >rounds? I dunno, Warren. Just the other day I heard a rumor that ""Serdar Argic"" (aka Hasan Mutlu and Ahmed Cosar and ZUMABOT) is not really a Turk at all, but in fact is an Armenian who is attempting to make any discussion of the massacres in Armenia of Turks so noise-laden as to make serious discussion impossible, thereby cloaking the historical record with a tremendous cloud of confusion. ";-1;0 "From: bosch@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Gerhard Bosch) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Lines: 55 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ifh-hp2.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article , nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone) writes: |> In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes: |> |> CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in |> CH> favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of |> CH> graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to |> CH> algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this |> CH> is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group. |> CH> I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for |> CH> discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? |> CH> Just curious. |> |> I must agree. There is a dizzying number of c.s.amiga.* newsgroups |> already. In addition, there are very few issues which fall cleanly |> into one of these categories. |> |> Also, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga |> groups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split |> would not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured |> environment. |> |> -- |> /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ |> / Michael Nerone \""I shall do so with my customary lack of tact; and\ |> / Internet Address: \since you have asked for this, you will be obliged\ |> /nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\to pardon it.""-Sagredo, fictional char of Galileo.\ Hi, It might be nice to know, what's possible on different hard ware platforms. But usually the hard ware is fixed ( in my case either Unix or DOS- PC ). So I'm not much interested in Amiga news. In the case of Software, I won't get any comercial software mentioned in this newgroup to run on a Unix- platform, so I'm not interested in this information. I would suggest to split the group. I don't see the problem of cross-posting. Then you need to read just 2 newgroups with half the size. BUT WHAT WOULD BE MORE IMPORTANT IS TO HAVE A FAQ. THIS WOULD REDUCE THE TRAFFIC A LOT. Sincerely, Gerhard -- I'm writing this as a privat person, not reflecting any opinions of the Inst. of Hydromechanics, the University of Karlsruhe, the Land Baden-Wuerttemberg, the Federal Republic of Germany and the European Community. The address and phone number below are just to get in touch with me. Everything I'm saying, writing and typing is always wrong ! (Statement necessary to avoid law suits) ============================================================================= - Dipl.-Ing. Gerhard Bosch M.Sc. voice:(0721) - 608 3118 - - Institute for Hydromechanic FAX:(0721) - 608 4290 - - University of Karlsruhe, Kaiserstrasse 12, 7500-Karlsruhe, Germany - - Internet: bosch@ifh-hp2.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de - - Bitnet: nd07@DKAUNI2.BITNET - ============================================================================= ";1;1 "From: mike@avon.demon.co.uk (""Mike H."") Subject: Re: Another data hiding scheme... Distribution: world Organization: boring Reply-To: mike@avon.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19) Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr13.225348.6511@colorado.edu> bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU writes: >since the price of 1.44 M 3.5"" floppies were still high until the last >few years. If you store ""old"" data, with old file times, in the public >filesystem the casual observer may miss the ""HD""... especially if you >""accidently"" cover it with something). > >-- >Bear Giles >bear@cs.colorado.edu/fsl.noaa.gov > It has been done already! In the UK the Atari ST box was shipped with 360K disks in the first few years and then later 720K disks. In order to make life less complicated, many freebie disks on mags were double formatted like this. Side 0 of the disk had 360K on it and could be read by any ST. It also had a flip-side program. This would swap the sides around so that side 1 became side 0. -- Mike (mike@avon.demon.co.uk) ";-1;0 "From: ulan@ee.ualberta.ca (Dale Ulan) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Nntp-Posting-Host: eigen.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 21 alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: >Greetings! > > Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't > know the number of the line. And I don't want > to call up the operator to place a trace on it. > Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can > use to find out the number to the line? > Thanks for any response. > Al There usually is a way, however, often, telephone companies like to keep all of their internal numbers private. Depends on your exchange. Any modern electronic switching equipment usually have voice synth lines that echo the number you called from. The line service guys use this to make sure they connect up the right pairs of lines. ";-1;0 "From: ST002649@brownvm.brown.edu (Alex Gottschalk) Subject: Re: 666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, VIEWER DISCR Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island USA Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu X-News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta In article , swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) said: >Posted on 27 Mar 1993 at 00:16:13 by Michael Parks Swaim >In article jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) writes: >>Well, I *WILL* do the math, and I get: (6^6)^6=2,189,739,336 >> >>This mean anything to anyone? :^) 5*1=5 thus fitting in neatly with something else. _________________________________________________________________________ º...and everything under the sun is in tune... º ""What was Jabba the º ºnd the sun is eclipsed by the moon."" º Hut smoking?"" º º --Pink Floyd º --Alex º º ""Eclipse"" º curious º º_________________________________________________º_____________________º ";-1;0 "From: rcg1597@zeus.tamu.edu (GUYNN, RICHARD CARL) Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world Article-I.D.: zeus.5APR199321160020 Distribution: world Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr5.181056.29411@mks.com>, mike@mks.com (Mike Brookbank) writes... >My sister has an MGB. She has one from the last year they were produced >(1978? 1979?). Its in very good shape. I've been bugging her for years Last year produced: 1980. >about selling it. I've said over and over that she should sell it >before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may >actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability. > >Which one of us is right? Are there MGB affectionados out there who are >still willing to pay $6K to 8K for an old MG? Are there a lot out in the >market? >-- Yes, there are still alot of MGBs out there. The earlier cars (pre 74-1/2) are usually more desirable due to certain things that went with having chrome bumpers (ride height, generally more power). The older cars are appreciating... slowly. The newer ones seem to be at a stable level at the moment. $6 to $8k would require extremely good condition and low miles. If the car is in good shape and regular maintenance is kept up on it, the car should last for a long time. There are still plenty of parts sources ouththere. The MGB is a great, fun little car. If she is keeping it solely in the hopes that it is going to appreciate, tell her to sell it. It is not worth waiting the time it would take to appreciate to a real profitable level. *************************************************************************** *Rick Guynn -MG driver soontobe. * MGA 1600 MkII * *RCG1597@zeus.tamu.edu * Rebuild (complete) to be finished ?? * *Texas A&M University * * *Keeper of the eternal octagon * `69 MGB Roadster * * a.k.a. The marque symbol that * I'll have it registered soon, * * refuses to die. * honest! * *************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: jao@megatest.com (John Oswalt) Subject: Re: legal car buying problems Organization: Megatest Corporation X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Distribution: ca Lines: 32 rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes: : In article <9285.27317@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> bob@runway.swdc.stratus.com (Bob Hutson) writes: : >After agreeing to terms I signed the contract and drove home in my new : >car. Later that same night I noticed that the terms in the were : >different from the terms I had agreed to. (I made the stupid mistake : >of not checking everything on the contract). This all happened last : >Saturday. : > : >I have heard that there is a ""cooling-off"" law allowing me three days : >to reconsider the contract. Is this true? Can anyone point me to the : >law? The transaction happened at the dealership, if it matters. : : This cooling off period applies only in certain situations - lik ewhen : you are solicited at home. I also think the cooling off period ends : if you actually accept the merchandise. : : If this were not the case, any car buyer would have the right to return : a slightly used, highly devalued, car 2 days after buying it. Yeah - : that's the trick - if I want to buy a new car, I'd have a firend buy : & return one, then go in and negotiate a better deal on a pre-owned : used car. However, if you agree some terms, and then, when about to sign, the dealer slips you a contract with different terms, and leads you to believe that it embodies the terms you verbally agreed to, that is fraud. There is no 3 day limit on restitution for fraud. You may have to sue (and win) to get out of this. You will almost certainly have to threaten to sue. -- John Oswalt jao@megatest.com or jao@netcom.com ";-1;0 "From: balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric J Balog) Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks? Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu Hi! When posting Winmark results, it is a good idea to give the version of WinBench that you used to obtain the scores, as well as the resolution that you tested and the version of the drivers. Eric Balog balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu ";-1;0 "From: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein) Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18 Reply-To: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein) Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.21.16.6 In article <1993Apr21.085435.6895@ericsson.se>, etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes: > OK, I forgot the Czech roster at home yesterday, but now I have it. > I don't know the teams for all players, so I would appreciate if > you guys could fill in the blanks for me (especially I think some > of these players play in Finland). > > The Czech Republic > ------------------ > > Goaltenders: 1. Petr Briza (Finland somewhere, right?) signed contract for EV Landshut, Germany for the 1993/94 season > Defense: 3. Leo Gudas ? EC Hedos Muenchen, Germany since 1992. Holger -- S I E M E N S Holger Ohlwein AP153 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 8000 Muenchen 83 ------------- Tel: + 49 (89) 636-3746 Email: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de N I X D O R F Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together. ";-1;0 "From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) Subject: Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ] Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Apr6.171209.13913 Distribution: na Organization: AT&T Lines: 15 In article <1pq8tkINNbek@chester.ksu.ksu.edu> bets@chester.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes: > >Besides which, where would men put all their crap if their wives >didn't carry purses? :-) > > >Beth > My wife rarely carries a purse, so all of her crap ends up in my pockets! -- Ron DeBlock rdb1@homxb.att.com (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l) AT&T Bell Labs Somerset, NJ USA ";-1;0 "From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 12 In article bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether >Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a >different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what >others have to say. Read the FAQ first, watch the list fr some weeks, and come back then. And read some other books on the matter in order to broaden your view first. Benedikt ";-1;0 "From: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 37 Reply-To: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From article <1pq6i2$a1f@news.ysu.edu>, by ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker): > > Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking) > Ashtrays (smokers seem to think it's just fine to use the road) Oh, sure -- sorry, but the absence of a cupholder is not gonna discourage anyone from eating/drinking in the car; let's just put one in anyway, so at least they don't have the further distraction of trying not to spill it. Furthermore, you are obviously not a smoker; on a cold day, it takes a certain skill to toss a butt out of a cracked window without having it wind-deflect into the back seat. Also, just 'cause some smokers use the window, doesn't mean all of us do. This reminds me of *one* pleasant feature in the otherwise ergonomically-hellish interior of the Alfa Romeo Milano: you could ash your cigarette without even removing your hand from the wheel; the 'tray was *right*there*. > Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. > Any gold trim. These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion in the way. Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a ""Cadillac"" Cimarron, with all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*. Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw... %\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\% ___ A laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu | | {*} Redhead Afficionado Extraordinaire *and* | | __V__ Little Canadia's Minister of Fine Tobaccos |_|o_|%%%|0_ Cigaret brands sampled: 55 import/luxury, 17 handrolling | | | | These opinions are not necessarily mine (or mine, either). |_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig? ";10;1 "From: rebop@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Ulius) Subject: Newtek Video Toaster Link For Sale Keywords: Newtek Video Toaster Amiga Mac Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us I have a bout a dozen Newtek Video Toaster Links available. These connect Macs and the Video Toaster. List is $595, street price likely to be $495. I can sell them off for $425 including shipping anywhere.. Factory shrinkwrapped. Plus tax if in California. E-mail rebop or call 916 924-9911 M-F 8-5 if you would like further info. All Toaster and Toaster accessories and system components are available as well. -- ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ - Bob Ulius | rebop@well.sf.ca.us | (916) 338-4766 - ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ";-1;0 "From: rana@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana) Subject: Re: New newsgroup: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya? Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 68 Mr. Esam Abdel-Rahem writes: >I urge you all to vote NO to the formation of the news group ''AHMADYA.ISLAM''. >If they want to have their own group, the word ISLAM shouldnot be attached to >the name of such group. We don't consider them as Muslims. Dr. Tahir Ijaz comments on Esam Abdel-Rahem's statement: >But the problem is We consider ourself to be Muslims, even though you don't. >Luckily, faith is determined by what one believes and is a personal matter. >You cannot declare the faith of someone else. Mr. Jawad Ali then comments on Tahir Ijaz's statement: >You are not considering the consequences of your argument. The converse >would be that the problem is that Muslims dont consider Ahmadies to be >Muslims. Who one considers to be one's co-believer is also a personal >matter. It would be just as wrong to tell the Muslims who should be >included in their self-defination. The argument by Jawad Ali is funny, He writes: ""The converse would be that the problem is that Muslims dont consider Ahmadies to be Muslims"" Which is a wrong statement. In the light of Dr. Ijaz's statement, the above statement should be corrected: "".......................................is that (some) non-Ahmadi Muslims don't consider Ahmadi-Muslims as Muslims"" So, the problem does not get solved:-) Who is a muslims and who is not? Humans cannot decide. Humans may not declare others faiths. Its that simple. I don't understand, why the mere use of the word ""ISLAM"" is becomming such a big issue. I have seen numorous postings on the net on this subject, and all they say, ""No, NO, you cannot use ISLAM as the name of your newsgroup"". ?? I haven't seen a single posting stating what right do they have in declaring the name of other's faiths? Who gives them this authority? Quran? or Hadith? or something else? I want to know this! Just a small reminder to all my Muslim Brothers, Did _EVER_ the Holy Prophet of Islam (Muhammad PBUH), say to anyone who called himself a Muslim: No, You are not a Muslim ! ??????? NEVER! I challenge all my Muslim brothers to produce a single such evidence from the history of Islam! Hence, if the Prophet Muhammad could never do that to anyone, how could the Muslims, Mullahs or even Governments of today do it to anyone. Do you consider yourself above the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) ?? Sincerely, Nabeel. -- ||\\ || //\\ ||\\ ******************* (Note: || \\ || //==\\ ||// * LOVE FOR ALL * views || \\||abeel // \\. ||\\ana * HATRED FOR NONE * are [e-mail: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu] ******************* mine) ";19;1 "From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr15.175302.25180@sarah.albany.edu> js8484@albnyvms.bitnet writes: >In article <120399@netnews.upenn.edu>, sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) writes: >> >> 1)Spike Owen. Sure, he's hitting like crazy, but the guy *cannot* >> field to save his life! And they said he was brought in to >> provide defense? Velarde, Stankiewicz, and even Silvestri >> are better defensively than Owen. > >Remember - it's still early. Look for his offense to tail off, and >his defense to improve (hopefully). He has that rep because I heard >that either last year, or over the last 5 years, or something like >that - he has the third highest fielding percentage among major league >shortstops - behind C.R. and Tony (I'm not gonna help this sorry Mets >team at all) Fernandez. I do agree though that he has not looked all >that impressive in the field thus far. Owen only has one error so far, I believe. That seriously underrepresents the harm he has done in the field. Owen will cleanly play any ball he reaches. He will have a fine fielding percentage, like always. The problem is that he doesn't reach anything that isn't hit straight at him! This wouldn't be quite as obvious a problem if he were playing next to Kelly Gruber or Robin Ventura. But the third baseman for the Yankees is Wade Boggs (who should have moved across the diamond *last* year)! I've only seen one game, Abbott's first start, but there were three balls hit to the left side which would have been stopped by quality defensive players. Instead they were charged as hits against Abbott. Cheers, -Valentine ";14;1 "From: aa624@Freenet.carleton.ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) Subject: THE FUTILITY AND IMPOTENCE OF GREEK FOREIGN POLICY Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 34 there you go the greeks have been trying for over a year, even though mr. mitsotakis was threatening the EC that if Macedonia was recognized that the honourable papandreou would be back... well i guess the europeans pulled the plug eh ..? theis is just one other example about the corruptness and the ""perversity"" of greek foreign policy objectives... pity to those who have to live under the greek flag with ""these"" political decision-makers... MORE RECOGNITION FOR MACEDONIA. Belgium, Germany, and Italy joined Denmark on 15 April in recognizing the Republic of Macedonia, AFP reports. Each is an EC member state. Greece, which has blocked EC recognition of Macedonia, noted that such recognition ""does not facilitate"" negotiations between Athens and Skopje now underway in New York. Duncan Perry, RFE/RL, Inc. the day will come when reuters will write ""despite lengthy negotiations and numerous attempts to reunite the island THE TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS "" was recognized by... your humble servant kubilay ";-1;0 "From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: ESPN Thumbs Up your $%#@*!! Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 35 Jesus Christ!!! The score is now 6-0. The Pens are beating the shit out of the Devils who gave up in the middle of the 2nd period. ESPN does something smart. The announcer states ""well folks this game is getting out of hand. Lets go to the Islander/Capitals game."" I celebrate as I was actually making progress in my CS homework because I was so bored by the scheduled game. I tear down and throw on my jersey, Hunter scores I go ape shit 'cause this is the first caps game I've been able to watch all season. And what does ESPN do? they go back to the blowout that NJ hasn't a chance in hell of winning! The period ends and the sportscaster (CAPITOLS JUST TIED IT UP!! YES!! oops excuse me =) goes into his penguin worship mode (Dont freak pens fans! They are worthy of this! I'm so glad we wont have to play them as much next year!) and here comes the 3rd period...what? its the blowout again. Oh they were just waiting for the Cap/Isles to get out of intermission. Good they've put a close game back on. Wait! WHATS THIS SHIT?!! THEY'RE SHOWING THE BLOWOUT AGAIN! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG! (Oh guess what the score is now 7-0 penguins! Switch games you $%&*#@!!!) Holy shit they're changing games! ITS ABOUT GODDAMNED TIME!! Lets see if they'll stay. Later I think this proves by $#%&* point. The Caps game goes into overtime but ""due to contractual obligations"" they have to switch to the fucking baseball. (Sorry for my language but im PISSED!) What the hell were they going to do if their scheduled game went into overtime? ESPN get your head out of your ass. Now I know there are a lot ";-1;0 "From: asson@chacmool.stsci.edu (Drew Justin Asson) Subject: Ext. Hard Drives for my SE/30 Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute Lines: 20 I'm interested in getting an external hard drive for my SE/30. I've got an internal 40MB that's pretty full, even with compression s/w. Alot of people talk about $/MB, what's a good ratio? I'm thinking of adding either an 80 or a 100 (or 105). What brands would people suggest? Finally, places to buy from? Are more popular mail-order places better to order from or the places that JUST sell hard drives (e.g. ones that advertise in the back of MacWorld and MacUser). Thanks in advance. If e-mail replies are sent, I'll compile them and post them. -- Drew -- ========================================================================== | Drew J. Asson | Space Telescope Science Institute | | AI Senior Software Engineer | 3700 San Martin Drive | | Advance Planning Systems Branch | Baltimore, MD 21218, USA | | Internet: asson@stsci.edu | (410) 338-4474 [338-1592 (fax)] | ========================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: The Israeli Press Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 48 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article , benali@alcor.concordia.ca ( ILYESS B. BDIRA ) writes: |> |> Of course you never read Arab media, I don't, though when I was in Israel I did make a point of listening to JTV news, as well as Monte Carlo Radio. In the United States, I generally read the NYT, and occasionally, a mainstream Israeli newpaper. |> I read Arab, ISRAELI (Jer. Post, and this network is more than enough) |> and Western (American, French, and British) reports and I can say |> that if we give Israel -10 and Arabs +10 on the bias scale (of course |> you can switch the polarities) Israeli newspapers will get either |> a -9 or -10, American leading newspapers and TV news range from -6 |> to -10 (yes there are some that are more Israelis than Israelis) |> The Montreal suburban (a local free newspaper) probably is closer |> to Kahane's views than some Israeli right wing newspapers, British |> range from 0 (neutral) to -10, French (that Iknow of, of course) range |> from +2 (Afro-french magazines) to -10, Arab official media range from |> 0 to -5 (Egyptian) to +9 in SA. Why no +10? Because they do not want to |> overdo it and stir people against Israel and therefore against them since |> they are doing nothing. What you may not be taking into account is that the JP is no longer representative of the mainstream in Israel. It was purchased a few years ago and in the battle for control, most of the liberal and left-wing reporters walked out. The new owner stated in the past, more than once, that the JP's task should be geared towards explaining and promoting Israel's position, more than attacking the gov't (Likud at the time). The paper that I would recommend reading, being middle stream and factual is ""Ha-Aretz"" - or at least this was the case two years ago. |> the average bias of what you read would be probably around -9, |> while that of the average American would be the same if they do |> not read or read the new-york times and similar News-makers, and |> -8 if they read some other RELATIVELY less biased newspapers. And what about the ""Nat'l Enquirer""? 8^) But seriously, if one were to read some of the leftist newspapers one could arrive at other conclusions. The information you received was highly selective and extrapolating from it is a bad move. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninja of the skies. Cambridge, MA | ";-1;0 "From: hhaldre@stacken.kth.se (Heikki Haldre) Subject: (Q) COMPAQ configuration. HELP!! Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Hi All COMPAQ owners A friend of mine has COMPAQ (PORTABLE III), and he has lost all the manuals and diskettes. Please HELP him getting the machine's equipment definition (CMOS) memory configuration right. The machine says that some bytes of it are still incorrectly set up. It seems, that COMPAQ has some bytes defined not like the 100% IBM compatible machines. If You have a COMPAQ, it certainly has DIAGNOSTICs diskette with it. And this is needed. I can't reach quickly any COMPAQ dealers here. If it is possible PLEASE email documentation, or some of its configuration software. Heikki Haldre E-mail: hhaldre@sune.stacken.kth.se or hhaldre@park.tartu.ee ";-1;0 "From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: Supply Side-revenue Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Distribution: na Lines: 22 In <9460@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> ssoar@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Steven E Soar) writes: |In article , ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: |> |> The result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level |> ABOVE where it was when Reagan left office. |Which, considering the amount Bush&congress added to it, would be a |not-inconsiderable achievement. |While we're on the subject, I also believe that the supply-side claim that |reducing taxes raised revenue is also false, because they typically factor in You need to hop over to talk.politics.misc. Wee have been chewing on this gem for awhile. The challenge has been made to name a single supply sider who ever said this. For the last three weeks the challenge has gone unmet. I issue the same challenge to you. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com ";-1;0 "From: mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler) Subject: Re: Panther's President Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA USA Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: teal In article <1993Apr20.180241.10263@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >The San Jose Sharks and Ottawa Senators are each on their second GM >already...I'd be willing to wager that both the Sharks and Senators >will probably see their 3rd GM's and perhaps their 4th, before we >see the Panthers second. Actually, fired-coach George Kingston was a third of the GM triumvirate. Now that the trio is now duo (Dean Lombardi and Chuck Grillo), the Sharks are already on their 3rd ""office of the GM"". And a 4th is likely to happen before September; they'll either add the new coach to the OofGM, or name a single GM. So your wager should be amended to read that Sharks are likely to have their 5th GM before the Panther's get their 2nd. Can't wait to see how the next season's NHL Guide and Record Book lists the GM history of the Sharks. Given the depth of next year's draft, the expansion draft rules, and the reputation of their GMs, Anaheim and Miami look pretty good as the first 90s expansion teams to win a Cup. San Jose and Ottawa have instability at the GM position, something that Philly, NYI, Edmonton, and Calgary did not have when they won their first Cups. Pittsburgh did, but they needed a quarter century. -- Mike Eisler, mre@Eng.Sun.Com ``Not only are they [Leafs] the best team, but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than Pittsburgh's. Their players are mighty bright, too. I mean, he really *was* going to get his wallet back, right?'' Jan Brittenson 3/93, on Leaf/Pen woofers in rec.sport.hockey ";-1;0 "From: zappala@pollux.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala) Subject: Re: Darrrrrrrrryl Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 31 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu Mark Singer brings up the Strawberry Incident, where he lost a homerun and the fan caught it. |> Before each Dodger game the public address announcer makes a speech |> wherein he says that fans are welcome to the souvenirs of balls that |> are hit into the stands as long as they do not interfere with any |> that are in the field of play. Was the fan wrong? Should he have |> been more aware of the situation and acted to avoid any possibility |> of interference? Yes, I think he should have done more to get out of the way. As much as fans want to catch a ball, they really should be aware that winning the game is more important. As a Dodger fan, he has to be aware that this is the home stadium, and that entails helping the home team win in any way possible. As soon as the ball was hit that far, his first instinct should be to root for Darryl to catch it, not to try to catch it himself, particularly when he is sitting that close. I enjoy the attitude of the Wrigley fans, where they are against visiting team home runs so much, they actually throw them back on the field. Now, this has nothing to do with whether Darryl could have caught it or not. Sure, he probably screwed up, but the fan should realize his first responsibility is to get out of the way and help the team win. Daniel daniel@caldera.usc.edu ";-1;0 "From: lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) Return-Path: Subject: Paint jobs in the UK Nntp-Posting-Host: baldrick Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England Lines: 11 Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area. Thanks Lisa Rowlands -- Alex Technologies Ltd CP House 97-107 Uxbridge Road Tel: +44 (0)81 566 2307 Ealing Fax: +44 (0)81 566 2308 LONDON email: lisa@alex.com W5 5LT ";-1;0 "From: rhirji@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Rahim Hirji) Subject: Re: Flames Question Keywords: Roberts Flames Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 22 In article clhawth@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Timothy Chesley) writes: >I heard a little while back that Gary Roberts would be returning to play >in Calgary's last regular season game. Can anybody confirm this?? >He'll be a big help to the Flames in the playoffs and may change my >playoff pool strategy. Roberts played in last night game against the Sharks and got a goal (38th) and an assist. This definitely bolsters Calgary's chances in the playoffs. Rahim Hirji -- | Rahim Hirji Life is what happens while you are | Actuarial Science making other plans | rhirji@descartes.uwaterloo.ca | University of Waterloo ";-1;0 "From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: Watt misquoted Lines: 30 heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes: > I realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do > have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a > pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the > interior who saw no problem with deforestation since we were > ""living in the last days"" and ours would be the last generation > to see the redwoods anyway? For the Record: On February 5, 1981, at a House of Representatives Interior Committee Meeting, Rep. James Weaver (D, Ore), asked Watt whether ""you agree that we should save some of our scenic resources for our children, not just gobble them up all at once?"" Watt's answer was: < Absolutely. That is the delicate balance the Secretary of the < Interior must have -- to be steward for the natural resources < for this generation as well as future generations. I do not < know how many future generations we can count on before the < Lord returns. Whatever it is, we have to manage with a skill < to have the resources needed for future generations. My source is a column by Rowland Evans and Robert Novak on the op-ed page of the WASHINGTON POST for Friday 21 August 1981. Yours, James Kiefer ";-1;0 "From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 26 In article romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: > >If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my face that there is no > >evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee their safety. > >For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as far as > >I am concerned. > >This doesn't sound like Candida Albicans to me. No, just a little anger. Normally I don't rip people's lips off, except when my candida has overcolonized and I become: ""Fungus Man""! :^) Jon -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. ";-1;0 "From: Dave Dal Farra Subject: Re: Eating and Riding was Re: Drinking and Riding X-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 15:22:03 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm41a Organization: BNR Ltd. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 Lines: 30 In article Paul Nakada, pnakada@oracle.com writes: > >What's the feeling about eating and riding? I went out riding this >weekend, and got a little carried away with some pecan pie. The whole >ride back I felt sluggish. I was certainly much more alert on the >ride in. I'm sure others have the same feeling, but the strangest >thing is that eating is usually the turnaround point of weekend rides. > >From now on, a little snack will do. I'd much rather have a get that >full/sluggish feeling closer to home. > >-Paul >-- >Paul Nakada | Oracle Corporation | pnakada@oracle.com >DoD #7773 | '91 R100C | '90 K75S > To maintain my senses at their sharpest, I never eat a full meal within 24 hrs of a ride. I've tried Slim Fast Lite before a ride but found that my lap times around the Parliament Buildings suffered 0.1 secs. The resultant 70 pound weight loss over the summer just sharpens my bike's handling and I can always look forward to a winter of carbo-loading. Obligatory 8:) Dave D.F. ""It's true they say that money talks. When mine spoke it said 'Buy me a Drink!'."" ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: After all, Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people there. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 297 In article hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) writes: >article. I have no partisan interests --- I would just like to know >what conversations between TerPetrosyan and Demirel sound like. =) Very simple. ""X-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide against 2.5 million Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds."" After all, your criminal grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920. hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) >To which I say: >Hear, hear. Motion seconded. You must be a new Armenian clown. You are counting on ASALA/SDPA/ARF crooks and criminals to prove something for you? No wonder you are in such a mess. That criminal idiot and 'its' forged/non-existent junk has already been trashed out by Mutlu, Cosar, Akgun, Uludamar, Akman, Oflazer and hundreds of people. Moreover, ASALA/SDPA/ARF criminals are responsible for the massacre of the Turkish people that also prevent them from entering Turkiye and TRNC. SDPA has yet to renounce its charter which specifically calls for the second genocide of the Turkish people. This racist, barbarian and criminal view has been touted by the fascist x-Soviet Armenian government as merely a step on the road to said genocide. Now where shall I begin? #From: ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet) #Subject: YALANCI, LIAR : DAVIDIAN #Keywords: Davidian, the biggest liar #Message-ID: <1991Jan10.122057.11613@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Following is the article that Davidian claims that Hasan Mutlu is a liar: >From: dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian) >Message-ID: <1154@urartu.SDPA.org> >In article <1991Jan4.145955.4478@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ahmet@eecg.toronto. >edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) asked a simple question: >[AP] I am asking you to show me one example in which mutlu,coras or any other >[AP] Turk was proven to lie.I can show tens of lies and fabrications of >[AP] Davidian, like changing quote , even changing name of a book, Anna. >The obvious ridiculous ""Armenians murdered 3 million Moslems"" is the most >outragious and unsubstantiated charge of all. You are obviously new on this >net, so read the following sample -- not one, but three proven lies in one >day! > - - - start yalanci.txt - - - [some parts are deleted] >In article <1990Aug5.142159.5773@cbnewsd.att.com> the usenet scribe for the >Turkish Historical Society, hbm@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu), continues to >revise the history of the Armenian people. Let's witness the operational >definition of a revisionist yalanci (or liar, in Turkish): >[Yalanci] According to Leo:[1] >[Yalanci] >[Yalanci] ""The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks >[Yalanci] and on the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding >[Yalanci] their own affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, >[Yalanci] the war was actually being waged between the Committee of >[Yalanci] Dashnaktsutiun and the Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and >[Yalanci] savage war in defense of party political interests. The Dashnaks >[Yalanci] incited revolts which relied on Russian bayonets for their success."" >[Yalanci] >[Yalanci] [1] L. Kuper, ""Genocide: Its Political Use in the Twentieth Century,"" >[Yalanci] New York 1981, p. 157. >This text is available not only in most bookstores but in many libraries. On >page 157 we find a discussion of related atrocities (which is title of the >chapter). The topic on this page concerns itself with submissions to the Sub- >Commission on Prevention of Discrimination of Minorities of the Commission on >Human Rights of the United Nations with respect to the massacres in Cambodia. >There is no mention of Turks nor Armenians as claimed above. - - - >Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay! >The depth of foolishness the Turkish Historical Society engages in, while >covering up the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, is only surpassed by the >ridiculous ""historical"" material publicly displayed! >David Davidian | The life of a people is a sea, and Receiving this message, I checked the reference, L.Kuper,""Genocide..."" and what I have found was totally consistent with what Davidian said.The book was like ""voice of Armenian revolutionists"" and although I read the whole book, I could not find the original quota. But there was one more thing to check:The original posting of Mutlu.I found the original article of Mutlu.It is as follows: > According to Leo:[1] >""The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks and on > the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding their own > affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, the war was > actually being waged between the Committee of Dashnaktsutiun and the > Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and savage war in defense of party > political interests. The Dashnaks incited revolts which relied on Russian > bayonets for their success."" >[1] B. A. Leo. ""The Ideology of the Armenian Revolution in Turkey,"" vol II, ====================================================================== > p. 157. ====== QUATO IS THE SAME, REFERENCE IS DIFFERENT ! DAVIDIAN LIED AGAIN, AND THIS TIME HE CHANGED THE ORIGINAL POSTING OF MUTLU JUST TO ACCUSE HIM TO BE A LIAR. Davidian, thank you for writing the page number correctly... You are the biggest liar I have ever seen.This example showed me that tomorrow you can lie again, and you may try to make me a liar this time.So I decided not to read your articles and not to write answers to you.I also advise all the netters to do the same.We can not prevent your lies, but at least we may save time by not dealing with your lies. And for the following line: >Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay! I also return all the insults you wrote about Mutlu to you. I hope you will be drowned in your lies. Ahmet PARLAKBILEK #From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat Dogan) #Message-ID: <1993Apr8.233029.29094@news.columbia.edu> In article <1993Apr7.225058.12073@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: >In article <1993Apr7.030636.7473@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu >(Vedat Dogan) wrote in response to article <1993Mar31.141308.28476@urartu. >11sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: > >[(*] Source: ""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922"" by A. Rawlinson, >[(*] Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) >[(*] (287 pages). > >[DD] Such a pile of garbage! First off, the above reference was first published >[DD] in 1924 NOT 1923, and has 353 pages NOT 287! Second, upon checking page >[DD] 178, we are asked to believe: > >[VD] No, Mr.Davidian ... > >[VD] It was first published IN 1923 (I have the book on my desk,now!) >[VD] ******** > >[VD] and furthermore,the book I have does not have 353 pages either, as you >[VD] claimed, Mr.Davidian..It has 377 pages..Any question?.. > >Well, it seems YOUR book has its total page numbers closer to mine than the n>crap posted by Mr. [(*]! o boy! Please, can you tell us why those quotes are ""crap""?..because you do not like them!!!...because they really exist...why? As I said in my previous posting, those quotes exactly exist in the source given by Serdar Argic .. You couldn't reject it... > >In addition, the Author's Preface was written on January 15, 1923, BUT THE BOOK >was published in 1924. Here we go again.. In the book I have, both the front page and the Author's preface give the same year: 1923 and 15 January, 1923, respectively! (Anyone can check it at her/his library,if not, I can send you the copies of pages, please ask by sct) I really don't care what year it was first published(1923 or 1924) What I care about is what the book writes about murders, tortures,et..in the given quotes by Serdar Argic, and your denial of these quotes..and your groundless accussations, etc. > [...] > >[DD] I can provide .gif postings if required to verify my claim! > >[VD] what is new? > >I will post a .gif file, but I am not going go through the effort to show there >is some Turkish modified re-publication of the book, like last time! I claim I have a book in my hand published in 1923(first publication) and it exactly has the same quoted info as the book published in 1934(Serdar Argic's Reference) has..You couldn't reject it..but, now you are avoiding the real issues by twisting around.. Let's see how you lie!..(from 'non-existing' quotes to re-publication) First you said there was no such a quote in the given reference..You called Serdar Argic a liar!.. I said to you, NO, MR.Davidian, there exactly existed such a quote... (I even gave the call number, page numbers..you could't reject it.) And now, you are lying again and talking about ""modified,re-published book"" (without any proof :how, when, where, by whom, etc..).. (by the way, how is it possible to re-publish the book in 1923 if it was first published in 1924(your claim).I am sure that you have some 'pretty well suited theories', as usual) And I am ready to send the copies of the necessary pages to anybody who wants to compare the fact and Mr.Davidian's lies...I also give the call number and page numbers again for the library use, which are: 949.6 R 198 and the page numbers to verify the quotes:218 and 215 > >It is not possible that [(*]'s text has 287 pages, mine has 353, and yours has >377! Now, are you claiming that there can't be such a reference by saying ""it is not possible..."" ..If not, what is your point? Differences in the number of pages? Mine was published in 1923..Serdar Argic's was in 1934.. No need to use the same book size and the same letter charachter in both publications,etc, etc.. does it give you an idea!! The issue was not the number of pages the book has..or the year first published.. And you tried to hide the whole point.. the point is that both books have the exactly the same quotes about how moslems are killed, tortured,etc by Armenians..and those quotes given by Serdar Argic exist!! It was the issue, wasn't-it? you were not able to object it...Does it bother you anyway? You name all these tortures and murders (by Armenians) as a ""crap"".. People who think like you are among the main reasons why the World still has so many ""craps"" in the 1993. Any question? hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) > Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to >lose count around 1.5 million. Well, apparently we have another son of Dro 'the Butcher' to contend with. You should indeed be happy to know that you rekindled a huge discussion on distortions propagated by several of your contemporaries. If you feel that you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact. I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line, lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan to 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is nothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in x-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship, that employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel free to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists, the Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian criminal organizations. Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. You, and those like you, will not get away with the genocide's cover-up. Not a chance. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. Lines: 16 In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing, >then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me. >Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments >before, and they just don't convince me. Be warned, it is not my job to convert you. That is the job of the Holy Spirit. And I, frankly, make a lousy one. I am only here to testify. Your conversion is between you and God. I am ""out of the loop"". If you decide to follow Jesus, of which I indeed would be estatic, then all the glory be to God. ------------- Brian Ceccarelli brian@gamma1.lpl.arizona.edu ";-1;0 "From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) Subject: Tom Gaskins Pexlib vs Phigs Programming Manuals (O'Reilly) Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu Could someone explain the difference between Tom Gaskins' two books: o PEXLIB Programming Manual o PHIGS Programming Manual Why would I want to buy one book vs the other book? I have an 80386 running SCO UNIX (X11R4) on my desktop, a SUN IV/360 in my lab, and access to a variety of other systems (Alliant FX/2800, Cray Y/MP) on the network. Mostly, we would like to do 3D modeling/visualization of rat, rabbit, monkey, and human brain structure. Thanks, AJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Alexander-James Annala Principal Investigator Neuroscience Image Analysis Network HEDCO Neuroscience Building, Fifth Floor University of Southern California University Park Los Angeles, CA 90089-2520 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot) Subject: Re: So, do any police ossifers read this stuff? Organization: Nihon Sun Microsystems - Atsugi Technical Centre - JAPAN. Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ale.japan.sun.com Keywords: Bear (J. R. Laferriere) writes: % % I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this. I have % several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops. % What happened to Charlie Lear?? He used to have ""connections"", didn't he? (Hey, this is cyberspace mister... you wanna 'stateside cop, ya gotta' specify!) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | John Little - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: Charles P. Cox, Jr. Subject: PC stuff forsale Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b61506.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sun, 18 Apr 93 21:35:42 GMT I have the following items for sale. Buyer pays the shipping costs. Hardware is new and unused unless marked otherwise. All software includes original disks and manuals. No reasonable offers refused. Send offers/questions to cpc3@po.cwru.edu Hardware --------- Hercules Graphics Card - mono graphics and printer ports Hercules Color Card - color graphics and printer ports Teac 1.2MB 5.25"" floppy drive - doesn't work, sold as is for reapir or parts IBM ASYNC card - serial card for PC/XT/AT machines, comes with support software Kraft KC10 joystick - works with PC compatibles and Apple II series (not Mac) 360K 5.25"" floppy disks - over 200 bulk-grade disks 2 floppy disk storage boxes - each holds 60 5.25"" disks, one has a lock on it Software --------- Microsoft Macro Assembler 5.0 and 5.1 update - large manual and tutorial included Sideways 3.0 - rotates wide spreadsheets 90 degrees to print on 1 page Games ------ WolfPack - WWII submarine simultaion Space Station Oblivion - arcade-style game similar to Spectre Demon Stalkers - dungeon game, like Gauntlet Zork II, Moonmist, Ballyhoo - Infocom adventure/mystery games Jack Nicklaus' Unlimited Golf and Course Design - excellent golf game War In Middle Earth - similar to D&D games, based on Tolkien's ""The Hobbit"" Sargon 4 - excellent chess game, play against someone or against computer Silent Service II - submarine simulation --- Charles P. Cox, Jr. Computer Engineering Case Western Reserve University cpc3@po.cwru.edu ";-1;0 "From: aj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Dormer) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Summary: Misinterretation got us here today Keywords: constitution, misinterpretation, law Organization: Purdue Daemons Distribution: na Lines: 26 Misinterpretation, though it should be a crime in itself, is what United States lawyers use to make their bread and butter. In Manchester, CT a few years ago, a small company wanted to run a game system galled ""LaserGames,"" similar in many aspects to Photon (tm). Three lawyers and about a hundred citizens found an ancient law in Manchester's books which clearly from context was designed to prohibit travelling carnivals by enumerating the features of a carnival which they felt at the time made the prohibition obvious. Among these things was ""shooting galleries,"" which is what the lawyers for the opposition to LaserGames wanted to harp upon. The judge took the two words from this law, completely out of context, and ruled that LaserGames could not operate in Manchester. Keep in mind that most travelling carnivals use projectile weapons in their shooting galleries, and not light beams. Clearly from context, LaserGames got shafted, but if the two words are applied, their denial of operating permission was justified. If I had the text of the law I'd post it, but I'm afraid I don't remember it all well enough to even try. That little bit with the two words stuck well, though. : John Dormer : jad@expert.cc.purdue.edu ";-1;0 "From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: the usual Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Distribution: na Lines: 45 arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: >I was under the impression that to obtain fissionable materials (i.e., >plutonium or reactor/weapons-grade uranium) one was required to obtain >a federal permit to own such materials. No, you merely have to start working on yellowcake or else devise a system to get it from other sources. BTW: the DOE handles reactor fuel, and merely leases it to reactors. The NRC certifies these reactors. The military have their own sources. A private citizen has none of these official sources. >Actually, why bother looking it up? From the material we covered last >term (in 10 weeks) of Ge/Ch 127 (Nuclear Chemistry), I could *derive* >what it would take to build a bomb. That's freshman-level chemistry. Big deal. Can you make it work? That's PhD-level physics. Big difference. > And as far as the explosive charge, >I (as a chemist) could synthesize a variety of explosives from commonly >available chemicals in the garage if I felt like. The electronics >behind the detonator and the shaped charges are a little trickier, >however . . . but not impossible using a few ""tricks of the trade."" >And if I really wanted to be nasty, I could include a core of >hydrogen and deuterium . . . So you admit that there's no law that could stop you? Physics aside, could you make one if you had the funds and time? The answer is yes. So, do we lock you up now because of this? Surely you can see where the comparison with anti-gun laws comes into play here? >Of course, the hardest part is getting the fissionable material >to start with, and living long enough to put a bomb together. >(Plutonium has some *nasty* properties . . .) Precisely why it's not as readily utilized as you seem to have been lead to believe. BTW: 98% U235 is far better for home-made bombs than trying to use plutonium. The laws of physics make the creation of a device without serious manufacturing facilities very low in probability. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > ";-1;0 "From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) Subject: Re: Hockey and the Hispanic community Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation Lines: 73 In article , saross01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Stacey A. Ross) writes: |> In rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes: |> >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that |> >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons. |> >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off. |> |> What?! White, yes. Well off, definitely not. Hockey season ticket owners have |> the lowest average income of any of the four major North American sports. Do you have a basis for this claim? Try these stats (taken from Playboy Magazine June 1989): Percentage of pro football fans who have attended college: 39.7 Percentage of pro baseball fans who have attended college: 41.5 Percentage of pro basketball fans who have attended college: 39.9 Percentage of pro hockey fans who have attended college: 54.6 Percentage of pro football fans who earn more than $50K: 34.9 Percentage of pro baseball fans who make more than $50K: 22.7 Percentage of pro basketball fans who make more than $50K: 27.7 Percentage of pro hackey fans who make more than $50K: 44.0 |> |> And think of where the majority of hockey players come from. From a farm out |> in Boondock, Saskatchewan or Weedville, Alberta. |> The biggest advantage that kids from Boondock or Weedville have is the availability of ice. In the San Jose area we have a population of 800,000 and that population is served by 2 ice arenas. In contrast, Kamloops, British Columbia has a population of about 50,000 and has 5 rinks! There are also myriad ponds, pools, etc that freeze in the winter. Down here it's hard to find a kid without a bicycle; up there it's hard to find a kid without a pair of skates. And before you say ""what does he know? He's from California."" let me say that I was born and raised in Trail, British Columbia, a town of about 8,000 with lots of ice in the winter. My father did radio play by play for the local team, the Trail Smokeaters, who by the way, were the last Canadian team to win the World Championship (back in 1961). I was on skates almost as soon as I could walk, and have been playing recreational hockey for about 35 years. |> >When was the last time you saw a hockey league in the inner city. |> >The insurance alone is a big enough barrier. |> |> The inner city isn't the only place that is poor. |> I think the biggest barrier to hockey in the inner city is... no ICE to play on. Lack of ice is a big factor, but costs is a bigger factor. Both my kids play for the Santa Clara Valley Hockey Association and this season, which just ended, cost me $75 per kid for membership in Hockey USA, plus $750 per kid for club dues. The Hockey USA fees cover excess medical insurance, and the club dues cover ice time, officials, trophies, etc. Other areas have similar fees, unless the city government subsidises some of the costs, as Stockton does. By the way; most ice arenas are located in what could be called the ""inner city"" areas. Eastridge and Vallco are exceptions ... Redwood City's rink is in an industrial area on Bay Rd, near 101, Berkeley's is near Ashby and Martin Luther King, Stockton's is in Oak Park, Sacramento's is in an older section of downtown (I forget the name of the street), Fresno's is out on the edge of town, just west of 99. Santa Rosa's is a nice rink, but it's in an older section of town. Dublin's is outside of town, off 580. Most of the rinks are old, and expensive to run, with huge electric bills and insurance premiums. If you want to buy ice time expect to pay around $100 per hour at any of these rinks. Some of them give you a 60 minute hour for your money; others give you a 50 minute hour and include the resurfacing time in the fee. -- Alan Hepburn ""A man doesn't know what he knows National Semiconductor until he knows what he doesn't know."" Santa Clara, Ca alan@berlioz.nsc.com Thomas Carlyle ";-1;0 "From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Point within a polygon Keywords: Obfuscated PostScript Organization: Purdue University Lines: 60 In article jonas-y@isy.liu.se (Jonas Yngvesson) writes: > Intersection Between a Line and a Polygon (UNDECIDABLE??), > by Dave Baraff, Tom Duff > > From: deb@charisma.graphics.cornell.edu > In recent years, many geometric problems have been successfully modeled in a > new language called PostScript. (See ""PostScript Language"", by Adobe Systems > Incorporated, ISBN # 0-201-10179-3, co. 1985). > > So, given a line L and a polygon P, we can write a PostScript program that > draws the line L and the polygon P, and then ""outputs"" the answer. By > ""output"", we mean the program executes a command called ""showpage"", which > actually prints a page of paper containing the line and the polygon. A quick > examination of the paper provides an answer to the reduced problem Q, and thus > the original problem. Curiously, in modern PostScript, the point in a polygon problem can be solved even more easily. To wit: %! %%Title: Point in Polygon %%Creator: Allen B (ab@cc.purdue.edu) %%For: the amusement of comp.graphics regulars %%LanguageLevel: 2 %%DocumentNeededResource: humor sense thereof %%EndComments % This program will test whether a point is inside a given polygon. % Currently it uses the even-odd rule, but that can be changed by % replacing ineofill with infill. These are Level 2 operators, % so if you've only got Level 1 you're out of luck. % % The result will be printed on the output stream. % % Caution: only accurate to device pixels! % Put a huge scale in first if you aren't sure. % Point to test % PUT X AND Y COORDINATES HERE 50 75 % Vertices of polygon in counter-clockwise order % PUT ARRAY OF PAIRS OF COORDINATES HERE [ [ 0 0 ] [ 100 0 ] [ 100 100 ] [ 67 100 ] [ 67 50 ] [ 33 50 ] [ 33 100 ] [ 0 100 ] ] dup 0 get aload pop moveto dup length 1 dup 3 1 roll sub getinterval { aload pop lineto } forall closepath ineofill { (Yes!) } { (No!) } ifelse = ";-1;0 "From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Article-I.D.: news.12799 Organization: Biochemistry Lines: 139 Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu Since I was the one responsible for these divergent threads of approx. 40+ posts (going back to: The Braves could be better off if an injury happens), I may as well inject a little more fuel to the flame! 1) Back at the beginning of Spring Training, I though Lopez would make the squad easily. Olson was still recovering from his late-season injury (knee, I believe), and there were questions as to whether he would be able to play before June. And then Berryhill was dinged up. I was looking forward to this, because I believe that Lopez can hit AND field the position. Before last season, he was the Braves ""Defensive Catcher"" prospect, while Brian Deak was the Braves ""Offensive Catcher"" prospect. Besides, Olson and Berryhill couldn't hit their way out of a wet cardboard box, and don't walk enough to be useful. But Olson recovered quickly, Berryhill recovered, and the Braves went with the two vets. I still say that if one of those two had been down at the start of the season, he wouldn't have gotten his job back. 2) There is a certain logic to keeping Olson and Berryhill around. After all, ML catchers are in short supply and suffer from wear and tear. There are teams out there without ONE average ML catcher (California and Seattle come to mind). Certainly, trying to move Olson or Berryhill through waivers would be unlikely to work. Plus, you'd have to eat that salary, which isn't huge, but isn't tiddleywinks either (I think Olson's at about $800,000, Berryhill at $450,000, but that's only what I recall). 3) Yes, I think arbitration-eligibility may have a role to play in this also. What is it, that 5/6 of the 2+year players aren't eligible for arbitration? Only the 1/6 that were on the roster the longest are eligible? Of course, the system may change, but the extent of that change is not yet known. From a business standpoint, it may make sense to keep Lopez down until June/the first time Olson/Berryhill go on the DL. 4) I am still disappointed that Lopez isn't on the team. I still prefer to think of myself as a fan when it comes to the Braves, and the truth is that I'd rather see our best team on the field, which, IMO, includes Lopez. Of course,today we play the Cubs. Hopefully, we won't need him. ;) As for the Schuerholz/Cox conversation, I imagine it went like this: (Remember, they've BOTH been GM's) (the following is not meant to be read by the humor-impaired) Cox: OK, we've sent Jones down. His fielding could be a little smoother. Besides, Blauser can hit OK and his fielding is better than it used to be. Schuerholz: Well, we'll have to send Nieves down too. Deion just won't sign that baseball only contract. We can't count on him in October, so we have to keep Nixon around for the defense. Besides, Gorman's not ready to give up on Billy Hatcher yet. Once Hatcher's gone AND Deion signs, we can move Nixon for Frankie Rodriguez. That ought to give us some pitching depth in 1995. Cox: Yep, that'll be nice. Too bad Deion won't sign. OK, I'll look for Nieves when Justice starts having Berry-Berry...er, back problems again. Now, what about Klesko? Schuerholz: Well, we've still got to fork out another 1.5 mil for Bream. If we keep Klesko, we either lose the money or Cabrera. I keep dangling Sid in front of Dal Maxwell, but somehow he doesn't seem to be the same GM. First Jeffries for Jose, and now Whiten for Clark! If he gets rid of Brian Jordan, then I'd HAVE to believe that he and Whitey Herzog switched bodies at the Winter Meetings! Cox: OK, keep trying on Bream, and I'll wait til the trading deadline for my Hunter/Klesko platoon. Maybe I can get a few extra at-bats for Cabrera while we wait. Try California... if Snow starts slowly, maybe WhiteyDal will bite on Sid. And if that doesn't work, then perhaps Sid's knees could be ""persuaded"" to act up. There's always the 15-day DL! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! Schuerholz: What about Caraballo? Cox: Well, he's not that much better than Lemke. Maybe if he starts in Richmond, he'll start walking more. Besides, if he's going to be arbitration-eligible, better to stretch him out so that we actually get some value from him before he makes the big bucks. Schuerholz: Now, let's see. That leaves Lopez. Cox: NOOOOO! I gotta keep Lopez! Sure, I didn't think Olson would recover this quickly. Maybe I can talk Caminiti into running into him again? Schuerholz: Nope, Lopez has gotta go. You know that he'll get $3 million in arbitration. May as well put it off that one extra year. Besides, until Olson's shown his stuff a little bit, I can't trade him. Besides, Berryhill's a left-handed hitter. You know how rare that is? Cox: Don't you mean a left-handed whiffer? Pretty common, if you ask me. I mean, he made Pat Borders look good in the World Series. PAT BORDERS!!! Schuerholz: Hey, you're the one who wouldn't write Lopez into the lineup. Cox: Well, you're the one who went out and got me Jeff Reardon! Besides, I thought Lopez wouldn't be used to our pitching staff's stuff. He got some time with them this spring...looked pretty good. Come on, surely we only need to keep one stiff behind the plate? Schuerholz: Yeah, but which stiff? Whichever one we keep will be hurt by May. Cox: OK, OK, you made your point. Keep them both. Surely one of them will be on the DL by June at the latest. Then I can call up Lopez, and then we can win 110 games! The Pennant! THE WORLD SERIES! I'll be up there with John McGraw! Casey Stengel! Earl Weaver! Oh, they laughed at me in Toronto, but have you ever had to deal with George Bell? I'll finally get my just reward! Mwa-ha-ha-ha! Schuerholz: Easy, Bobby. Have you been taking those ""happy pills"" left around by Chuck Tanner? Why'd you ever hire that guy anyhow? Cox: Don't ask me; ask Ted. ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu ""I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"" Grafitti, Paris, 1968 TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.) -------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: sgi Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1qlvh1$fh0@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> In article <1qkn25$k@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> #Do you mean it's moral to use force on someone who advocates |> #the use of force? |> |> With a few provisos, yes. Minimum force, for a start. And, it |> depends on what is being forced (on either side). |> |> #Or do you mean that sometimes we have to use force on such |> #people out of necessity or self-defence, while recognizing |> #that our own actions in doing so are not moral? |> |> My opinion is that our actions would be moral, and it would be |> immoral not to act if action would be both necessary and effective. |> Again, there many caveats and provisios. |> |> Note, my usage of ""my opinion"" is an admission that I don't have a lock |> on morals, not that there is no truth about morality to have a lock on. You're admitting a lot more than that. You are admitting that your morals are situational. You are admitting that the actions of other people and the situation you are in help to determine how you judge the moral significance of one of your own actions. If you employ X degree of force, that's not moral, but if you employ X degree of force, but previously someone else has employed Y degree of force, and the situation is thus-and-so, that *is* moral. This is quite different from saying ""Employing force on other people is immoral, period. Unfortunately, from time to time we are obliged to do this immoral thing for reasons of self-preservation, and so we have to bear the moral consequences of that. For what it's worth - and yes, I know you claim to be an agnostic - it's this ability to re-label things from ""immoral"" to ""moral"" that I find one of the *least* attractive qualities of the religious mind. jon. ";-1;0 "From: dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) Subject: Re: Hate Crimes Laws Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.052552.18045 Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: unseen1.acns.nwu.edu In article <1993Apr6.043935.27366@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr5.050127.22304@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >> >>I think what you meant to say here was, ""With the current mutation of the US >>Constitution under the current police state, someone may be charged multiple >>times for one act if the victim in question is of the right shade."" A single >>act should never merit more than on charge. > >So if I set off a bomb in the World Trade Center, I can only be charged with >more than one murder, and not the other five deaths and extensive property >damage? After all, the bomb was a single act. > >ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though Again, Mr. Frank has come to the rescue with his cool headed reason. How about, ""One charge per victim?"" Of course I'll think about it in a few days and find a case where this doesn't apply either. What the heck, I don't study law, I just hate lawyers. :) -- Douglas C. Meier | You can't play Electro-magnetic Golf Northwestern University, ACNS | according to the rules of Centrifugal This University is too Commie- | Bumblepuppy. -Huxley, Brave New World Lib Pinko to have these views. | dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu ";-1;0 "From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Re: X11R5 and Gateway2000 Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 25 In article <5914@daily-planet.concordia.ca> christy@cs.concordia.ca (Christy) writes: > >Hi, > I just got myself a Gateway 4DX-33V and trying to configure >X11R5 for it. Has anyone done this before ? More specifically, >I need a correct Xconfig file entry that is set up for my >graphics card and monitor. I have a 15"" Color CrystalScan 1572FS monitor >and a VESA LOCAL BUS ATI Ultra Pro with 1MB VRAM video card. >Thanks in advance. Didn't your operating system come with X? SysV usually does as far as I know. You'd do best to contact the people from whom you bought ths OS. If you're running Linux or something similar, good luck. :) > >Please send replies to christy@alex.qc.ca > > >Christy -- A voice of reason in the midst of LiberalNet. Mike Chapman, a higher lifeform trapped in a human body. AKA FourDee. Political Correctness is the tool of the mentally disadvantaged. ""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown ";12;1 "From: watson@madvax.uwa.oz.au (David Watson) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: Maths Dept UWA Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: xanthorrhoea.maths.uwa.edu.au In article <1qkgbuINNs9n@shelley.u.washington.edu>, bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes: |> Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, |> center and radius, exactly fitting those points? Finding the circumcenter of a tetrahedron is discussed on page 33 in CONTOURING: A guide to the analysis and display of spatial data, by Dave Watson, Pergamon Press, 1992, ISBN 0 08 040286 0, 321p. Each pair of tetrahedral vertices define a plane which is a perpendicular bisector of the line between that pair. Express each plane in the form Ax + By + Cz = D and solve the set of simultaneous equations from any three of those planes that have a vertex in common (all vertices are used). The solution is the circumcenter. -- Dave Watson Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au Department of Mathematics The University of Western Australia Tel: (61 9) 380 3359 Nedlands, WA 6009 Australia. FAX: (61 9) 380 1028 ";1;1 "From: greg@cs.uct.ac.za (Gregory Torrance) Subject: Automatic layout of state diagrams Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town Lines: 18 Hi, I'm hoping someone out there will be able to help our computer science project group. We are doing computer science honours, and our project is to do a 'graphical simulator for a finite state automata'. Basically, the program must draw a diagram of a FSA from a textual grammar, showing circles for states, and labeled arc's in-between. The problem is working out the best way to layout the states, and draw the arc's in-between so that as few arc's as possible cross each other. If anyone has any suggestions/algorithms/bug-free ready to compile C code :) that might help us, it would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Gregory ";-1;0 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: army in space Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net There is the Army Ballistic Missile Defense Organization. They were the precursors to SDIO. and still exist under that umbrella. Army Signal Corp's and DCA defense Comm Agency oops DISA, they just changed names do space work. that's the point of all those defense comm sats. But don't worry, there are lots of jobs that need ditch digging, somehow you'll end up there ;-) ";-1;0 "From: nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel;;;;RC38) Subject: Re: Bernoulli Drives/Disks... Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu In article ncmoore2@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Nathan Moore) writes: >nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel) writes: >>I am looking for Bernoulli removable tapes for the 20/20 drive.. >>Don't laugh ... I am serious... >>If you have any 20 MB tapes lying around that you would like to get rid of, >>please mail me ... > >>-- Nilay Patel >>nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu >You do mean disks, don't you, not tapes? You forgot to say whether you >were looking for the old 8"" or the newer 5.25"". Well...I need the old 8"" disks ... You are right, disks is a better word, but they are so big and calling them disks is kind of funny ... but the appropriate word is disks ... -- Nilay Patel nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu ";-1;0 "From: rab@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Bickford) Subject: Re: More technical details Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Lines: 17 The system, or 'family', key would appear to be cryptographically useless, since *every* chip must know it and be able to remove its effects from the bitstream. I daresay that it will be widely known almost immediately after this system is deployed, and since it's been pointed out that there is not a separate decrypt key -- the same key is used for both encryption and decryption -- there goes any benefit to the use of a system-wide key in SkipJack. -- Robert Bickford ""A Hacker is any person who derives joy from rab@well.sf.ca.us discovering ways to circumvent limitations."" rab'86 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ""I recognize that a class of criminals and juvenile delinquents has taken to calling themselves 'hackers', but I consider them irrelevant to the true meaning of the word; just as the Mafia calls themselves 'businessmen' but nobody pays that fact any attention."" rab'90 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ";16;1 "From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Lavishly Funded ""Gun Epidemic"" Propaganda Campaign to Commence Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: > Morris the Cat (rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com) wrote: > > : Well, as Neal Knox of the Firearms Coalition points out, the full > : force of the anti-gun ruling class, their multi-millions, their > : polling organizations, their schools, their news media, their > : ""entertainment"" media > > The entertainment media... a ""force of the anti-gun ruling class""?? > Is this the same media that's made billions producing films and > television that glorify guns and gun users? Or is that another > anti-gun media? > > You've got to be kidding. By this, do you mean that you consider it absolutely impossible for the media to be guilty of hypocrisy? Note that the film industry in California traded their political support for an ""assault weapon"" ban in the state for an amendment to the bill exempting the entertainment industry from that very ban. Note that the very issue of the Batman comic book (""Seduction of the Gun"") that was produced as a tool for gun-control organizations carries a back- page ad for a ""Terminator II"" video game extolling the numerous and varied sophisticated weapons available to the player. Note that Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, publisher of the NY Times -- one of the oldest and most incessant gun-control grinders -- himself carries a concealed handgun. Still, you find it completely incredible that these folks live by the aphorism, ""Do as I say, and not as I do."" -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... ";-1;0 "From: dark1@netcom.com (Steven Seeger) Subject: ANother Res QUestion! Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 14 I asked a question a week or so ago about getting more res. on my monitor. I have a Magnavox MagnaScan/17 and am wondering what video cards it supports. ALso, does anybody have Magnavox's EMail ID (if there is one) or maybe a phone number? Please reply by email as I don't read much news. Thanks, Steve -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven D Seeger dark1@netcom.com~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ""String, he's going to blow us out of the sky!"" ""Then why don't you hang your flabby behind out the window and BLOW him out of the sky???"" -- String & Dom, Airwolf :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ";0;1 "From: stoney@oyster.smcm.edu (Stanley Toney) Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell? Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 45 In article tbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: > I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but > definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion > about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the > effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus > as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew, > buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not > believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be > lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only > god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions. excellent question timothy. i hpoe the answers you get will be satisfactory as we can not understand the mind of god. but to attempt to answer you clearly. GOD of the Bible has given us humans relativly little about how he intends to judge mankind. the first test is those who have beleived that Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD and that his death and resurrection was sufficent to serve justice for all the acts we commit that are wrong in the eyes of god, the bible calls this sin. for those who die before the end of the world/have already died it is more complicated to explain without lapsing in to cliche. God must judge people on the baasis of their works in this world. however there is no plus and minus system for GOD. he has declared that he can not tolerate spiritual imperfection, thus he can only based your worthiness to live with him on the wrong in your life. Good people, yes even Christians are going to constantly sin before GOD, The Christian hoever thanks GOD that Christ has given his life for his sin's penalty. the proscribed punishment for sin is death, just as the proscribed punishment for robbery is time in jail. God then cannot ask for anything but punishement for those sins. He does not want to condem. the Bible says in John 3:17, that God did not send his son in to the word to condem it but that through him it might be saved."" when i realize that i have sinned, and i do with painful regularity, i must approach GOD and ask him to not hold thew sin against me, i have that right and privlige only because of Christ. as for Jews they are promised that they must believe on the Messiah who would come, and dis come in Jesus of Nazereth. Muslims, i fear have been given a lie from the fater of lies, Satan. They need Christ as do us all. for those who don't have that right, in the view of the bible they stand olone in their defense. are you going to hell? i can not answer that for you. i can only say that perhaps it is eaiser to ask and answer how can i not go to Hell? that step is much more rewarding. stan toney stoney@oyster.smcm.edu my opinions are my own, you may borrow them p.s. stay in touch and keep asking questions not just to us but to God as well, he listens too. ";-1;0 "From: bss2p@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Brent S. Stone) Subject: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist (Ditto) Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 21 In article blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes: > I'm thinking about becoming a bike owner this year w/o any bike experience thus far. I figure that getting a decent used bike for under $1K the thing would pay for itself while I'm at grad school (car permits are $$$ where I'm going and who want's to ride a bus). I'm looking for advice on a first bike - best models/years. I'm NOT looking for an old loud roaring thing that sounds like a monster. The quit whirring of newer engines is more to my liking. Apprec any advice. Thanks, BS ";7;1 "From: rolfe@junior.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) Subject: Divine providence vs. Murphy's Law Lines: 12 Romans 8:28 (RSV) We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. Murphy's Law: If anything can go wrong, it will. We are all quite familiar with the amplifications and commentary on Murphy's Law. But how do we harmonize that with Romans 8:28? For that matter, how appropriate is humor contradicted by Scripture? -- --- Tim Rolfe rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu rolfe@junior.dsu.edu ";-1;0 "From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor) Subject: When Is Melido Due Back? Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: Bradley University Distribution: na Lines: 6 When are the Yankees planning on activating Melido Perez? His 15 days on the DL are up today, but are they bringing him back this weekend? Thanks for any info. ";-1;0 "From: vidya-v@acsu.buffalo.edu (vidyaranya) Subject: Red color on button on enter window. Distribution: usa Organization: UB Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: beatrix.eng.buffalo.edu This may be an FAQ, but I dont know where to get the FAQ list! My OpenLook application has a few buttons. The first button turns red(gets highlighted?) as soon as the sprite(mouse) is moved into the application window. How do I suppress this? Vidyaranya ";-1;0 "From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me. Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 18 wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) writes: >Especially as we approach a time when Scientists are trying to match God's >ability to create life, we should use the utmost caution. I question the implications of this statement; namely, that there are certain physical acts which are limited to God and that attempting to replicate these acts is blasphemy against God. God caused a bush to burn without being consumed--if I do the same thing, am I usurping God's role? Religious people are threatened by science because it has been systematically removing the physical ""proofs"" of God's existence. As time goes on we have to rely more and more on faith and the spiritual world to relate to God becuase science is removing our props. I don't think this is a bad thing. Alan Terlep ""Incestuous vituperousness"" Oakland University, Rochester, MI atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu --Melissa Eggertsen Rushing in where angels fear to tread. ";17;1 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr22.214735.22733@Princeton.EDU> phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) writes: >A transporter operator!?!? That better be one important transport. Usually >it is a nameless ensign who does the job. For such a guest appearance I would >have expected a more visible/meaningful role. Christian Slater, only gota cameo on ST6, and besides. Maybe she can't act:-) pat ";2;1 "From: teskey@plains.NoDak.edu (Dr. Snake Voivod) Subject: OS/2 2.0 & Extended Services For SALE ***CHEAP*** Article-I.D.: ns1.C5sMIp.n1C Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu For Sale: OS/2 2.0 Extended Services - * Extended Database support * Extended Networking Support * Remote Host support * Extended Communication Support PLUS! A copy of OS/2 2.0. The ES package is brand new and uninstalled, all manuals, disks, etc. are included. The ES package retails for $495 with OS/2 2.0 selling for $79 or something like that. I'll let both of them go for $200. My needs changed thus eliminating my need for the package once I bought it. If Interested, please Email me at: Mark Teskey teskey@plains.nodak.edu ============================================================================ Mark W. Teskey o/ INTERNET: teskey@plains.nodak.edu <| stayin' UUCP: ...!uunet!plains!teskey / > alive! ============================================================================ -- Hi! I am a .signature virus. Copy me into your .signature to join in! -- ";-1;0 "From: huawang@eng.umd.edu (Wang Hua) Subject: Canon camera system for sale Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: descartes.src.umd.edu I have the following Canon items for sale, the condition is listed as numerical. 10 indicates like new condition. Canon T70 body (Multiprogram AE, Dual metering system, build in motor drive etc.) 9- Canon FD 50mm/F1.8 10 Canon FD 85mm/F1.8 with Canon BT-52 hood 8 (excellent portrait lens) Osawa 28-50mm/F3.5-4.5 zoom (made in Japan) with soft case 10 Soligor 80-200mm/F4.5 MACRO (1:4) zoom (Japan) with hard case 10 Vivitar SMS30D dedicated thyristor flash in box with manual 10 Asking $350/obo. S&H not included. If interested, e-mail huawang@src.umd.edu or call (301) 405 2947 ";-1;0 "From: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky) Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools Article-I.D.: ra.1993Apr6.011730.877 Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr5.165548.21479@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: > While we're on the subject, has anyone else noticed that the 1/2"" deep >well in Craftsman's $60 SAE deep well set is too small to fit a 1/2"" bolt or >nut? > > When I took the socket in for an exchange, EVERY !#%@ one of the 1/2"" >deep well sockets on the rack had the exact same problem!!! Looking into the >socket, it appears that Craftsman's toolmaker attempted to imitate flank drive >on this piece, but did not account for the extra clearance needed inside the >socket. Never had any problem with mine... Are you *SURE* the nut/bolt you are trying is really a 1/2"" hex? 13mm is just slightly larger... and a 1/2 wrench won't fit on a GM 13mm nut (my 91 GMC pickup has several 13mm nuts on it... really annoying, metric threads too. Seems that most of the body is metric, most of the engine is SAE). -- --=< Jonathan Lusky ----- lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >=-- \ 89 Jeep Wrangler - 258/for sale! / \ 79 Rx-7 - 12A/Holley 4bbl / \________67 Camaro RS - 350/4spd________/ ";-1;0 "From: jdmooney@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (John D. Mooney) Subject: Re: anti-theft devices Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 36 Originator: jdmooney@koinsv02 In article <99948@rphroy.ph.gmr.com>, rhaar@gmr.com (Bob Haar) writes: > In article 3056@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com, jdmooney@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (John D. Mooney) writes: > |> > |>Someone writes: > |>> > |>> BTW, somebody stole the front grille off my beat-up 1983 Nissan Sentra > |>> a few weeks ago! I couldn't believe it. I'm just driving around > |>> without it now. > |> > |>Years ago, my brother lived in a ROUGH area.... he left his NOVA > |>parked on the street in FRONT of his house for a few days..... > |>one day he went to move it back into the driveway, it wouldn't start.... > |> > |>Seems some industrious fool needed a NOVA GAS TANK..... the fool found > |>one under my brothers car. > |> > > The engines in VW Beatles are quite easy to remove without entering the car > or even opening the engine compartment. How would you like to find that > your car wouldn't start because the engine was stolen? > I would probobly feel a hell of a lot poorer... a gas tank is about 50$ in a junkyard. An engine... more! Seriously though, my other brother, DARRELL, left his VW on the same street... someone stole the radiator out of it.... try finding a VW radiator in a junkyard :-) I DARE YOU ! JD -- ******************************************************************************** * John D Mooney Delco Electronics General Motors * * ------------------ jdmooney@kocrsv01@delcoelect.com -------------------------* * Opinions expressed are MINE... NOT necessarily DE's or GM's * ";-1;0 "From: chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: io.nosc.mil X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Brent Irvine (irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: : failed to mention the Davidians pouring kerosene all over and lighting it in : plain view. Brent, I'm still waiting to see if there are any evidence of how the fire got started, so I'm not going to tell you who did it... As far as you keep talking about the Davidians pouring kerosene all over, stop and *think* for a second if it is possible the stove or lamp was knocked over and started a fire, and the Davidians were pouring water on it (wrong solution but I doubt I can do much better in their states of mind...) to try to put it out? By the way, just how far where you standing from the Davidians when you saw them setting the place on fire? Oh, in case you are new in town, microwave ovens doesn't work very well when there's no electricty. :-0 Get some *facts* before you post next time! --F. Chiu ";-1;0 "Subject: XV for MS-DOS !!! From: NO E-MAIL ADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch Organization: EICN, Switzerland Lines: 42 Hi !!! This is the response for Wayne Michael...and certainly for other-one :-) I'm sorry for... 1) The late of the answer but I couldn't find xv221 for msdos 'cause I forgot the address...but I've retrieve it.. 2) Posting this answer here in comp.graphics 'cause I can't use e-mail, not yet.... 2) My bad english 'cause I'm a Swiss and my language is french.... After a long time I retrieve the address where you can find XV for Dos... Site : omnigate.clarkson.edu Aliases : grape.ecs.clarkson.edu Number : 128.153.4.2 /pub/msdos/djgpp/pub it's xv221.zip (?) I think... Certainly you read the other answer from Kevin Martin... He write about DV/X (?). What is it ?????? Could Someone answer ???? Thanx in advance.... -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- * * * Pascal PERRET | perret@eicn.etna.ch * * Ecole d'ingénieur ETS | (Not Available at this time)* * 2400 Le LOCLE | * * Suisse * * !!!! Enjoy COMPUTER !!!! * * * --------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: ""High Power"" Assault guns Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support High power assault gun? Why, you must be talking about the 155mm Howitzer. Or did you want to try a 16 incher? Or one of the German railway guns? -- Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909 | ";-1;0 "From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr6.141557.8864@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't >care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball >doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba, >that is). MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba. They just have to defect first. Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian/Czech/etc hockey players, until the political situation in those countries changed. Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com ";-1;0 "From: sundaram@egr.msu.edu (Divya Sundaram) Subject: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cached) IDE Controller Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering Lines: 16 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: eecae.ee.msu.edu Hi, I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers. I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard. What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W). Please advise ..... Divya -- Divya ""Live long, and then DIE a slow and horrible death ...."" - What Confucius wanted to say .... ";-1;0 "From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) Subject: US Robotics info wanted Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University Lines: 11 Could someone please give me some info regarding the USR Sportsters that have recently dropped below $200? I was going to buy a used Courier v32bis external without fax for $200 but now I see the Sportster with Fax is selling below $200 brand new! Are these good modems? What warranty do they carry? Any info very much appreciated. Kevin hollyk@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca ";5;1 "From: news@cbnewsk.att.com Subject: Re: anger Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Lines: 31 >Paul Conditt writes: >>In case you couldn't tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when >>I see things like this. Instead of rationalizing our own fears and >>phobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other >>socially unacceptable diseases. Whether they got the disease through >>their own actions or not is irrelevant. They still need Jesus... Aaron Bryce Cardenas) writes: >The first issue you bring up is your anger. It is ""obvious""ly wrong to >be angry (Gal 5:19-20) for any reason, especially *extremely* angry >which is on par with hatred. Jesus has every reason to be angry at us >for putting him on the cross with our sin, yet his prayer was ""forgive >them Father, they know not what they do."" ... I don't know why it is so obvious. We are not speaking of acts of the flesh. We are just speaking of emotions. Emotions are not of themselves moral or immoral, good or bad. Emotions just are. The first step is not to label his emotion as good or bad or to numb ourselves so that we hide our true feelings, it is to accept ourselves as we are, as God accepts us. It seems that Paul's anger he has accepted and channeled it to a plea to all of us to refrain from passing judgement on those afflicted with a disease and to reach out to others. Give in? Calling his arguments foolish, belittling them to only quarrels, avoiding action because of fear to give others a bad feeling, he's not forgiving? Re-think it, Aaron. Don't be quick to judge. He has forgiven those with AIDS, he has dealt with and taken responsibility for his feelings and made appropriate choices for action on such feelings. He has not given in to his anger. Joe Moore ";-1;0 "From: ski@wpi.WPI.EDU (Joseph Mich Krzeszewski) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu In Texas (Well, Corpus Christi anyway) if you pick up the phone and dial 890 the phone company will read back the number to you. Try it. It might work. ";-1;0 "From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: >snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes: >> I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar >> Sails. [...] >> Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ? Bill says ... >Also there is a nontechnical book on solar sailing by Louis Friedman, >a technical one by a guy whose name escapes me (help me out, Josh), I presume the one you refer to is ""Space Sailing"" by Jerome L. Wright. He worked on solar sails while at JPL and as CEO of General Astronautics. I'll furnish ordering info upon request. The Friedman book is called ""Starsailing: Solar Sails and Interstellar Travel."" It was available from the Planetary Society a few years ago, I don't know if it still is. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal ";-1;0 "From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: RE: need shading program example in X Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de In article <930421105641.100043a@TGV.COM>, mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) writes: |> |> # |> #Do anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain? |> #I need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program. |> # |> #Appreciate the help. |> # |> |> I don't know if this might help, but I've just started playing with a program |> called POVRay (Persistance of Vision Raytracer) that also displays its output |> via X Windows. It does a fairly good job of allocating the colormap on my |> Psuedo-Color 8-plane display. I got the source from from a site in Canda. |> The person I retrieved them from was David Buck (dbuck@ccs.carleton.ca). |> I think the original post was searching for existing implementations of f.i. Gouroud-shading of triangles. This is fairly complex to do with plain X. Simpler shading models are implemented already, f.i. in x3d (ask archie where to get the latest version). For Gouroud, a fast implementation will be possible utilizing some extension only, either MIT-SHM to do the shade in an image and fast update the window with it, or PEX/OpenGL which should be able to shade themselves. The portable 'vanilla X' way would be to shade in a normal XImage and use XPutImage(), what would be good enough to do static things as f.i. fractal landscapes or such stuff. To speak about POVRay, the X previewer that comes with the original source package is not that good, especially in speed, protocol-friendlyness and ICCCM compliance. Have a look on x256q, my own preview code. It is on 141.76.1.11:pub/gfx/ray/misc/x256q/ The README states the points where it is better than xwindow.c from POVRay 1.0 -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ ";-1;0 "From: fsmarc@tristero.lerc.nasa.gov (Marc Cooper) Subject: Re: Marching Cubs Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio] Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tristero.lerc.nasa.gov Keywords: Cube,Program,C I saw this subject and all I could think of was a parade at Wrigley Field in Chicago. Or maybe it's just me. :) -- Marc Cooper - Graphics Programmer - Sverdrup Tech.| ""As a child, I WAS an fsmarc@lerc.nasa.gov | imaginary playmate."" NASA Lewis Research Center MS 5-11 | 21000 Brookpark Dr. | Tom Robbins Cleveland, OH 44135 (216) 433-8898 | Even Cowgirls Get the Blues ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: ""It's mine! All mine!"" -D. Duck ";-1;0 "From: flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) Subject: Re: 18 Israelis murdered in March Organization: Dept. Of Control, Teknikum, Uppsala Lines: 195 <1993Apr5.221759.28472@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: frej.teknikum.uu.se In-reply-to: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU 's message of Mon, 5 Apr 93 22:17:59 GMT In article <1993Apr5.221759.28472@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: [ stuff deleted ] |> I wrote: |> Are you calling names, or giving me a title? If the first, read your |> paragraph above, if not I accept the title, in order to let you get into the |> um, well, debate again. Hasan replies: I didnot know that ""Master of wisdom"" can be ""name clling"" too, unless you consider yourself deserve-less ! Unless you are referring to someone else, you have in fact given me a name I did not ask for, hence the term 'name calling'. Hasan writes: |> So what do you expect me to tell you to tell you, Master of Wsidom, |> ^^^ |> ------------------------------------------------------------------ I replied: |> If you insist on giving me names/titles I did not ask for you could at |> least spell them correctly. /sigh. Hasan gloats: That was only to confuse you! (ha ha ha hey ) Hell-bent on retarding into childhood, no? |>when you are intentionally neglecting the MOST important fact that |>the whole israeli presence in the occupied territories is ILLEGITIMATE, |>and hence ALL their actions, their courts, their laws are illegitimate on |>the ground of occupied territories. |> >No, I am _not_ neglecting that, I'm merely asking you whether the existance >of Israeli citicens in the WB or in Gaza invalidates those individuals >right ^^^^^^^ are you trying to retaliate and confuse me here. No, I really do try to spell correctly, and I apologize if I did confuse you. I will try not to repeat that. |> to live, a (as you so eloquently put it) human right. We can get back to the |> question of which law should be used in the territories later. Also, you have |> not adressed my question if the israelis also have human rights. First, my above statement doesnot say that ""the existence of israeli citizens in the WB revoke their right of life"" but it says ""the israeli occupation of the WB revoke the right of life for some/most its citizens - basically revokes the right of for its military men"". Clearly, occupation is an undeclared war; during war, attacks against military targets are fully legitimate. Ok, let me re-phrase the question. I have repeatedly asked you if the Israelis have less human rights than the palestinians, and if so, why. From your posting (where you did not directly adress my question) I inferred that you thought so. Together with the above statement I then assumed that the reason was the actions of the state of Israel. Re: your statement of occupation: I'd like you to define the term, so I don't have to repeat this 'drag the answer out of hasan' procedure more than neccesary. Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but they ask their goverment to protect it by withdrawing from the occupied terretories, not by further oppressing Palestinean human rights. I'm sorry, but the above sentence does not make sense. Please rephrase it. |> If a state can deprive all it's citizens of human rights by its actions, then |> tell me why _any_ human living today should have any rights at all? Because not all states are like Israel, as oppressive, as ignorant, or as tyrant. Oh, ok. So how about the human rights of the Syrians, Iraqis and others? Does the name of Hama sound familiar? Or how about the kurds in Iraq and Turkey? How about the Same in Sweden (Ok, maybe a bit farfetched..) the Russians in the Baltic states or the Moslem in the old USSR and Yugoslavia? Do the serbs have any human rights remainaing, according to you? |> |> And which system do you propose we use to solve the ME problem? |> |> The question is NOT which system would solve the ME problem. Why ? because |> any system can solve it. |> The laws of minister Sharon says kick Palestineans out of here (all palestine). |> |> I asked for which system should be used, that will preserve human rights for ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> all people involved. I assumed that was obvious, but I won't repeat that |> mistake. Now that I have straightened that out, I'm eagerly awaiting your |> reply. So you agree that that an israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights. (i am understanding this from your first statement in this paragraph). No, I'm agreeing that to just kick all the Palestinians out of Israel proper would probably lead to disaster for both parties. If that's what you refer to as the 'Israeli solution' then so be it. |> Joseph Weitz (administrator responsible for Jewish colonization) |> said it best when writing in his diary in 1940: |> ""Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both |> peoples together in this country.... We shall not achieve our goal |> ^^^ ^^^ |> of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. |> The only solution is a Palestine, at least Western Palestine (west of |> the Jordan river) without Arabs.... And there is no other way than |> to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to |> transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be |> left.... Only after this transfer will the country be able to |> absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out."" |> DAVAR, 29 September, 1967 |> (""Courtesy"" of Marc Afifi) |> |> Just a question: If we are to disregard the rather obvious references to |> getting Israel out of ME one way or the other in both PLO covenant and HAMAS |> charter (that's the english translations, if you have other information I'd |> be interested to have you translate it) why should we give any credence to |> a _private_ paper even older? I'm not going to get into the question if he |> wrote the above, but it's fairly obvious all parties in the conflict have |> their share of fanatics. Guess what..? Those are not the people that will |> make any lasting peace in the region. [more deleted stuff] >Exactly, you are right. I guess that the problem is that the israeli goverment>is full with men like Joseph Weitz. Oh? Have you met with them personally, to read their diaries? Fascinating. What do you _do_ for a living? |> ""We"" and ""our"" either refers to Zionists or Jews (i donot know which). |> |> Well, i can give you an answer, you Master of Wisdom, I will NOT suggest the |> imperialist israeli system for solving the ME problem ! |> |> I think that is fair enough . |> |> No, that is _not_ an answer, since I asked for a system that could solve |> the problem. You said any could be used, then you provided a contradiction. Above you wrote that you understood what i meant (underlined by ^ ): any system can be used to solve the conflict , but not any system would resolve it JUSTLY. An unjust solution would be a non-solution, per definition, no? You said the following: For all A it holds that A have property B. There exists an A such that property B does not hold. Thus, either or both statements must be false. |> Guess where that takes your logic? To never-never land. >You are proving yourself as a "" "". First you understood what i meant, but then >you claim you didnot so to claim a contradiction in my logic. >Too bad for you, the Master of Wisdom. I was merely pointing out a not so small flaw in your reasoning. Since you claim to be logical I felt it best to point this out before you started using your statements to prove a point or so. Am I then to assume you are not logical? |> ""The greatest problem of Zionism is Arab children"". |> -Rabbi Shoham. |> |> Oh, and by the way, let me add that these cute quotes you put at the end are |> a real bummer, when I try giving your posts any credit. >Why do you feel ashamed by things and facts that you believe in , >if you were a Zionists. If you believe in Zionist codes and acts, >well i feel sorry for you, because the same Rabbi Shoham had said >""Yes, Zionism is racism"". >If you feel ashamed and bothered by the Zionist codes, then drop Zionism. >If you are not Zionist, why are you bothered then. You should join me in >condemning these racist Zionist codes and acts. Any quote can be misused, especially when used to stereotype all individuals by a statement of an individual. If you use the same methods that you credit 'Zionists' with, then where does that place you? Oh, by the way, I'd advice you not to assume anything about my 'loyalties'. I will and am condemning acts I find vile and inhuman, but I'll try as long as I can not to assume those acts are by a whole people. By zionist above do you mean the state of Israel, the government of Israel, the leaders of Israel (political and/or religious) or the jews in general? If you feel the need to condemn, condemn those responsible instead. How would you feel if we started condemning you personally based on the bombings in Egypt? -- -------------------------------------------------------- Jonas Flygare, + Wherever you go, there you are V{ktargatan 32 F:621 + 754 22 Uppsala, Sweden + ";-1;0 "Distribution: world From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org Organization: BMUG, Inc. Subject: SE pricing Lines: 7 What is the value of an SE (HDFD) 4/20? -David **** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in **** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views. ";-1;0 "From: joel@zodiac.z-code.COM (Joel Reymont) Subject: Motif maling list Organization: The Internet Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu Hi, all! Anyone knows of a Motif mailing list? I don't have access to network news and there is no longer a motif list at alfalfa.com. Thanks, Joel. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Reymont ! Z-Code Software Corporation ! e-mail: joel@z-code.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4340 Redwood Hwy, Suit B.50, San Rafael, CA 94903 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: deloura@cs.unc.edu (Mark A. DeLoura) Subject: Looking for X Window Server Frequency-of-Operations Data Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: monet.cs.unc.edu Keywords: Frequency data X Server architecture Hello-- I'm currently designing the architecture of a chip which is intended to help speed up common operations on a windowing system such as X. A friend and I are designing the chip as the final course project for an advanced computer architecture course taught by Dr. Fred Brooks at UNC-Chapel Hill. While we feel that we've got a pretty solid design currently, we'd really like to get ahold of some frequency data from an X-Windows server so that we can make the most effective use of our bit budget. Unfortunately, I've been unable to find anything of this sort in the various X FAQs, or X manuals that I've seen. Does anyone have some type of frequency data, like how many Copy-rectangle operations vs draw-lines, and things of that sort? Or, barring that, a program that records requests to the server into a logfile that I can munge on myself? Any and all help would be very appreciated. Many thanks, ---Mark =============================================================================== Mark A. DeLoura deloura@cs.unc.edu U of North Carolina, Chapel Hill ";-1;0 "From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 54 A reply to a post by kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (aka Nancy's Sweetheart): ?Human brains are infested with sin, and they can only be trusted ?in very limited circumstances. I would beg to differ with you here. The properly-formed conscience can be trusted virtually ALL the time. I am not so sure, though, about something so materialistic as the human brain. Does that mass of tissue possess anything trustworthy? Your observation would probably be valid if we were discussing the ""mind"" of an animal, but the human being is only half animal, as it were; and half spiritual. ?At the moment he stops speaking, and people start interpreting, the ?possibility of error appears. Did he mean that literally or not? We do ?not have any record that he elaborated on the words. Was he thinking of ?Tran- or Con- substatiation? He didn't say. We interpret this passage ?using our brains; we think and reason and draw conclusions. But we know ?that our brains are not perfect: our thinking often leads us wrong. (This ?is something that most of us have direct experience of. 8-) Now you have hit on the purpose of the Church. It is by necessity the infallible interpreter of divine revelation. Without the Church, Christianity would be nothing more than a bunch of little divisive sects. ?Unless you are infallible, there are very few things you can be certain ?of. To the extent that doctrines rely on fallible human thinking, they ?cannot be certain. This argument of yours regarding the certainty of an observation or a conclusion is not necessarily substantiated by experience. It reminds me of the theoretical physicist who said that you can never be certain of a measurment because the sensor interferes with the field you are trying to measure. Now, the experimental physicist will reply that although the measurement can never be made with absolute certainty, he is able to determine the certainty with which the measurement can be made, and this knowledge is often sufficient to render the measurement useful enough to allow evidence of the true condition of the field under observation. Therefore, although our minds are finite and susceptible to error, our competence in arriving at inductive insights gives confidence in our ability to distinguish what is true from what is not true, even in areas not subject to the experimental method. ?Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu ?""If any substantial number of [ talk.religion.misc ] readers read some ? Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear. (If they *understood* ? some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))"" -- Michael L Siemon This quote seems a little arrogant, don't you think? -- boundary no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina) ";-1;0 "From: ulan@ee.ualberta.ca (Dale Ulan) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Nntp-Posting-Host: eigen.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 28 rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel J Rubin) writes: >How hard would it be to somehow interface them to some of the popular >Motorola microcontrollers. I am a novice at microcontrollers, but I am >starting to get into them for some of my projects. I have several 256k >SIMMs laying around from upgraded Macs and if I could use them as ""free"" >memory in one or two of my projects that would be great. One project that >comes to mind is a Caller ID device that would require quite a bit of RAM >to store several hundered CID records etc... Assuming 68HC11... In expanded muxed mode, you *could* do it. Much easier if you get a DRAM controller IC. The MMI 673102 could be used to implement this, or you could use a counter and a huge multiplexer to provide row/column/refresh address multiplexing. The thing with DRAMs is that they require wierd timing, address multiplexing, and refresh. Actually, if you wanted to use a 68008 IC, you could look at AN897, which has a neat controller built in. There is also the 683xx, I think one of those has the DRAM controller built in. This one is for the 6664 DRAM, however, the 41256 has only one more address line, adding only another component or so. The 256k SIMMs are basically 8 or 9 41256 DRAM chips (or their equivalent in fewer packages). It *can* be done, just takes a bit of logic design. I'm actually about to do it using a 65C02P3 chip... I've got 8 256k simms... that's 2 megabytes on my Apple //e... (used to be in my '386). ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Lexan Polish? From: jeff@mri.com (Jonathan Jefferies) Expires: Sun, 8 Aug 1993 07:00:00 GMT Organization: Microtec Research, Santa Clara, California, USA Keywords: Lexan, Plastic Summary: Scratches in Plastic Lines: 27 In article wilken@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Wilken) writes: >A couple of years ago I replaced the stock windscreen on my Interceptor >with a higher one from National Cycle. The thing happens to be made of >Lexan. > >Can anyone recommend a polish to use on it that is safe for lexan? Its >starting to show a few scratches, and id like to polish them out.. >Go FAST! | Internet: wilken@plains.nodak.edu | AMA #587126 >Take Chances! | UUCP: ..!uunet!plains!wilken | DoD #0087 >VF700F Interceptor | Bitnet: WILKEN@PLAINS | Suggest McQuires #1 plastic polish. It will help somewhat but nothing will remove deep scratches without making it worse than it already is. McQuires will do something for fine or light stuff. Also suggest calling your local plastic shop. In Calif. ""TAP PLASTIC"" is a chain that carries most of what is needed for repair and sometimes replacement of plastic bits. Telephone in the Bay area is 415-962-8430. I'm not sure how amenable they are to shipping. I have found that they have several excellent products for cleaning, and removing crap from windscreens and face shields. Also they have one called ""lift-it"" which works real well in removing sticky stuffs such as adhessives from plastic wihtout scratching same. Luck, Jonathan Jefferies, jeff@mri.com ";-1;0 "From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Lines: 63 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA Distribution: na In article <1993Apr18.022011.15502@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) writes: |>In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu |>(Andrew Molitor) writes: |>>In article |>>tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: |>> |>>>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime |>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |>>Isn't this just a little melodramatic? |> |>Not at all. Two weeks ago I registered a concern about some programming |>that was being conducted by a student organisation here at the |>University of Texas at San Antonio. As a result, I was interrogated |>by the capus police, who also attempted to create a positive-identification |>file (photo, fingerprints, etc.). I refused to permit this, and filed a |>complaint with the University administration. The Vice-President for |>Business Affairs (the 'boss' of the campus police) stated that he had no |>interest in the legal/Constitutional implications of those actions. In article , johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson) writes: |> A remark I heard the other day is beginning to take on increasingly |>frightening significance. The comment was made that ""In other parts |>of the world the Democrats [note the big ""D""] would be known as |>Socialists"" We might get further if we begin by accepting that the government really couldn't be bothered less about the political opinions of the right wing pro establishment types. Just about the only circumstances in which I could think that they would be interested in their political views would be to recruit them as spooks. They can be guaranteed to give the government line when it counts. In US history it has been the socialists such as myself who have been persecuted. Now before people start asserting that there is no mechanism by which the administration can get their new chip adopted without legal force lets try thinking. In the first place the clipper chip must have existed for several years as a defense project. Therefore this is not a party matter at all. George Bush was in any case hardly adverse to tapping calls, he was chief spook remember. Secondly the govt can quite easily apply pressure. They simply ""ask"" their chums who they give huge defense contracts to (motorola etc) to be ""nice"" boys. After all Bill is giving them a nice little trade monopoly since the chips won't be avaliable to foreign firms. Thirdly the people who consider the Democrats to be socialist are not the same as the ones who consider socialists to be communist. People might know this if the US education system did not suffer from the Mcarthyite and Dewy version of political correctness - the sort with tribunals and show trials. Ever seen Ed Meese pissed? I have, it was when he said that socialism and communism were the same thing and brought the house down with laughter. It took several minutes before we realised that he was serious. Phill Hallam-Baker Phill Hallam-Baker ";-1;0 "From: b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) Subject: Re: High Resolution ADC for Mac II Nntp-Posting-Host: elvex34.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University Lines: 28 In article , b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) wrote: > > I don't know about the Instrutech boards (though I plan to check them out), > but you need to be very careful checking the monotonicity and S/N ratio of > many of the ""16 bit"" boards out there. The NI boards are very clearly > specified in terms of monotonicity, S/N ratio, accuracy, etc; and the > NB-A2100 and NB-A2150 have all the dyynamic range and freedom from > distortion that you'd expect from a good, true 16 bit converter. This is > not true for the Spectral Innovations boards, for example. To boorishly reply to myself, I found I did have the Instrutech information already. The specs (to use the term loosely) are as follows: A/D: 16 bit converter, with 14 bit accuracy to 100 kHz, 12 bit accuracy to 200 kHz. No specs for S/N, monotonicity, linearity. There are 8 multiplexed inputs sharing the single A/D, so that all inputs are not samples at the same time, and in the above conversion specs the all-channel sample rate must be used. Thus, for two channels, you only have 14 unknown quality bits at 50 kHz per channel. This is poorer quality than the national Instruments, at the same sample rate. D/A: 16 bit converter. No specs for S/N, monotonicity, linearity. Each of the 4 output channels has its own converter. The price for the external converter box (the ITC-16), the NuBus interface board (the MAC-23), plus C driver software and Igor XOP's is $2695. Rather steep. ";-1;0 "From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 27 In article <1qpu0uINNbt1@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: >wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: >Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the ""figure includes a >hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers"" This is sloppy people and DUMB. What group is this? This is not a MAC group. >Ok once again with the SCSI spec list: Why the spec list again? We are talking SCSI on a PC, not on a MAC or a UNIX box. And we are talking ISA bus, or possibly EISA or VLB. This isin't comp.periphs.SCSI. Tell me what the performance figures are with a single SCSI drive on a PC with an ISA (or EISA or VLB) bus. Theoretical performance figures are not relevant to this group or this debate. I'm sure that there are some platforms out there that can handle the 40 megs/sec of SCSI xyz wide'n'fast, but the PC isin't one of them. >If we are to continue this thread STATE CLEARLY WHICH SCSI you are talking >about SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 or SCSI over all {SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2} >IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Well maybe if the SCSI design people had their act together than maybe all PC's would have built in SCSI ports by now. ";5;1 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >Well, I have typed in the OED definitions. As you will note upon reading >>them, a punishment, being an inanimate object, is incapable of ""showing >>mercy."" So, you can not say that a merciless punishment is a cruel one. >Sorry, you must have missed the stuff in parens when you read the >definition (where transf. = transferred sense and fig. = >figurative,-ly). ""Things"" can be cruel. Samples of text from the first >definition include, ""Because I would not see thy cruell nailes Plucke >out his poore old eyes,"" and ""The puniness of man in the centre of a >cruel and frowning universe."" Sure nails can be cruel. I'd imagine nails in your eyes would be *very* painful. But, this does not imply that a painless death is cruel, which is what you are supposed to be trying to show. keith ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: The Armenian architect of the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 55 In article <1993Apr15.160145.22909@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@germain.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes: >My personal problem with Romanian culture is that I am >not aware of one. There is an anecdote about Armenians Troglodytism does not necessarily imply a low cultural level. The image-conscious Armenians sorely feel a missing glory in their background. Armenians have never achieved statehood and independence, they have always been subservient, and engaged in undermining schemes against their rulers. They committed genocide against the Muslim populations of Eastern Anatolia and Armenian Dictatorship before and during World War I and fully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry during World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing, rebelliousness and disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the Armenian history. To obliterate these episodes the Armenians engaged in tailoring history to suit their whims. In this zeal they tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds before and during World War I. And, you don't pull nations out of a hat. Source: Walker, Christopher: ""Armenia: The Survival of a Nation."" New York (St. Martin's Press), 1980. This generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information of direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust: a) Dro (the butcher), the former Dictator of the Armenian Dictatorship and the architect of the Genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, the most respected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional Republic in Berlin during World War II; b) this 'provisional government' fully endorsed and espoused the social theories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members of the Aryan 'Super-Race;' c) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves with the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and, d) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side by side with the Wehrmacht. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: wongda@eecg.toronto.edu (Daniel Y.H. Wong) Subject: Actix video card drivers for windows Keywords: actix graphics accelerator Organization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering, University of Toronto, Canada Lines: 20 I am looking for the latest drivers for the Actix graphics accelerator card. The driver I am currently using is version 1.21 and doesn't support more than 256 colors in 1024x768 mode even you have 2MB memory. The BBS support for Actix is unbelievable! They are still using 2400bps modem! It will take you hours to download the drivers, it hurts when you are calling long distance. Is there any ftp site that has a collection of video drivers for windows? BTW, anyone using this card, and how do you like it so far? Thanks. -- Daniel Y.H. Wong UofT:(416)978-1659 wongda@picton.eecg.toronto.edu Electrical Engineering -- ";-1;0 "From: strait@cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey C. Strait) Subject: Re: NRA address? Organization: The University of Illinois Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu Keywords: NRA Waco RKBA In article <7307@pdxgate.UUCP>, barker@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (James Barker) writes: > Could someone email me a USNail address for the NRA? I'd like to write them > a letter encouraging them to see to it VERY EMPHATICALLY that the 2nd > amendment is restored to the form that the founding fathers intended. National Rifle Association 1600 Rhode Island Ave. NW Washington, DC 20036-3268 1-800-368-5714 (membership) -- | Jeff Strait | strait@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu | | University of Illinois | PHONE: (217) 333-6444 | | ""If you ladies leave this island, if you survive basic recruit | | training, you will be a weapon, a minister of death praying for war"" | ";-1;0 "From: gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic) Subject: Re: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr18.203823.28597@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) wrote: > > > Locked away, waiting for the tape-delay to start ... > > It's nice that the Devils are starting out their playoffs on network > television ... too bad that their playoff game has been preempted on > WABC-AM for an early-season Yankees baseball game! > > It's a 12-2 win by the Texas Rangers ... and they're delaying the > tape-delay by another half-hour for the ballgame ""highlights""!!! > You think that's bad? I'm in Bowling Green, OH, and we get ABC from Toledo. Well, the cable co. decided to totally pre-empt the game (no tape delay, no nothing) for a stupid telethon! Hockey is very big around here, too. I had to listen to ""my"" Penguins win on my car radio out in the parking lot. I can just be thankful for a strong radio because being 230 miles from Pittsburgh, the reception usually isn't good at all. I can't believe I picked it up during the middle of the day. George ";-1;0 "From: gcarter@infoserv.com (George Carter) Subject: Re: Does someone know what is the news group for IEEE. Reply-To: gcarter@infoserv.com Distribution: usa Organization: SFBAC Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Helldiver 1.07 (Waffle 1.64) In <1993Apr19.192953.22874@usl.edu> yxy4145@ucs.usl.edu (Yu Yingbin) writes: > yxy4145@usl.edu Thanks a lot. ieee.general and ieee.announce are the most frequently used groups. ";11;1 "From: David A. Fuess Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 slower using DOS 6 ???? Organization: UC LLNL Lines: 15 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: talon.llnl.gov In article <56720008@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> calloway@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Frank Calloway) writes: >Not on my system. > >Frank Calloway Nor mine, either of them! +---------------------------------+----------------------+ | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | David A. Fuess | | _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ | Dir, Center for EECS | | _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ | Phone: (510)423-2436 | | _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ | Fax: (510)422-9343 | +-------- Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory --------+ ";6;1 "From: mycal@NetAcsys.com (Mycal) Subject: ATARI 2600 Processors Distribution: world Organization: ACSYS, Inc. Lines: 19 For all people that are interested in every aspect of the 2600 try the zine: 2600 connection $1 cash to : Timothy Duarte PO Box N, 664 Westport, MA 02790 for sample --------------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP key on request. mycal@netacsys.com \ // Mycal's way of skiing moguls: // \ turn, turn, turn, air, survive, survive, survive... No Risk, No Rush ";11;1 "From: metatron!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative Organization: Metatron Press / Human Systems Performance Group, Austin, TX X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 17 steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) writes: > >As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for > >specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical. > > The idea that foisting the Cripple Chip standard on US manufacturers would > result in saying ""Sayonara"" to yet another high-tech market isn't technical, > isn't in the least difficult to understand, and plays on a concern lots of > people are worried about already.... > > Could you expand on this? I have a feeling you're right, but I don't quite understand. -- ""You could be an ocarina salesman going | Metatron Press | Austin, Texas! from door to door..."" -- Laurie Anderson | Human Systems Performance Group ";-1;0 "From: hooperw@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Hooper) Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape Keywords: video Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 13 victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes: >You are experiencing what is called Macrovision. It is the protection >that they use on the video tapes. There are two ways around this that I >know of. First of all, you can try using a different VCR to copy onto. >It is the input of the VCR that reacts to the protection so sometimes >just switching the two VCRs around will take care of it. Some models >just don't react to it. Does this also affect the viewing of tapes ? I have had problems with a couple of rented tapes; they were virtually unviewable. I fiddled with the tuning, tracking and vertical hold but it was no good. ";-1;0 "From: davis@b11.b11.ingr.com (Chris Davis) Subject: For Sale or Trade: IBM Games Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL Lines: 29 ***** IBM GAMES FOR SALE OR TRADE ***** o ADVENTURE Eric the Unready -- Legend -- $35 King's Quest V -- Sierra -- CD-ROM edition -- $35 o SPORTS Michael Jordan In Flight -- Electronic Arts -- $35 Mike Ditka's Ultimate Football -- Accolade -- $30 David Ledbetter's Greens -- Microprose -- $30 o STRATEGY Risk -- Virgin -- $10 This software comes with all original packaging and manuals. Price includes ground shipping to continental US. I will trade for current games; send me your list... -- chris davis ccdavis@nuwave.b11.ingr.com 205-730-6236 ";-1;0 "From: ghica@fig.citib.com (Renato Ghica) Subject: seek sedative information Originator: ghica@cyclops Organization: Citibank IBISM Lines: 11 has any one heard of a sedative called ""Rhoepnol""? Made by LaRouche, I believe. Any info as to side effects or equivalent tranquillizers? thanks.... -- ""This will just take a minute."" ""I'm 90% done."" ""It worked on my machine."" ";-1;0 "From: games@max.u.washington.edu Subject: Aerospace companies cooperate in reusable vehicle market. Article-I.D.: max.1993Apr6.121843.1 Distribution: world Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: max.u.washington.edu What would all of you out there in net land think of the big 6 (Martin Mariatta, Boeing, Mcdonell Douglas, General Dynamics, Lockheed, Rockwell) getting together, and forming a consortium to study exactly what the market price pints are for building reusable launch vehicles, and spending say $3million to do that. Recognizing that most of the military requirements for launch vehicles are pulled out of a hat somewhere (say, has the shuttle ever really used that 1200mi crossrange capability? You get the idea, figure out how many, how often, where to, etc...) Then taking this data, and forming a sematech type company (bad example, I know... but at least its an example...) To develop between 3 and 5 craft designs. Then to take all of those designs, and figure out EXACTLY what the technologies are, and demonstrate those technologies, in order to eliminate designs that can't be built today. And lets say that this portion again funded by the GOV cost about $20 million. And from here all of these companies went their separate ways, with the intention of taking all of the market data and the design data to wall street, and saying ""I want to build this vehicle, and here are the numbers that show %20 ROI, fund me...) Now many of you think that this is a joke, but I have it on good authority that just this project is shaping up in the background. It seems that the aerospace companies have learned that everyone yelling similar but different things ends up in many programs that do nothing much and get canceled (NASP, NLS, ALS, DCY?, etc...) They need to work more in the japaneese, and european spirit of initial cooperation. They have also learned that design requirements that are phony (I.E. some generals idea of what a space vehicle ought to be) ends up getting chopped up in congress, because it is not a REAL requirement. Any feedback? John. ";2;1 "From: HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com Subject: Re: Deification Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering Lines: 19 Aaron Bryce Cardenas writes: >Basically the prophet's writings make up the Old Testament, the apostles' >writings make up the New Testament. These writings, recorded in the Bible, >are the foundation of the church. hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) writes: >That seems a most peculiar interpretation of the text. The ""apostles and >prophets"" were PEOPLE, rather than writings. And there were new testament >prophets as well, who built up the churches. Remember the OT doctrine of 2 witnesses? Perhaps the prophets testified He is coming. The Apostles, testified He came. After all, what does prophesy mean? Secondly, what is an Apostle? Answer: an especial witness--one who is suppose to be a personal witness. That means to be a true apostle, one must have Christ appear to them. Now lets see when did the church quit claiming ......? ";-1;0 "From: jingyao@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jinyao Liu) Subject: a few CDs for sale (brand new) Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 10 $6.95 each. add $1.05 for postage (4th class), that makes it $8. All these 5 discs are still shrink wrapped (1) Kathleen Battle,Wynton Marsalis Baroque Duet Sony Classical (2) David Sanborn, Upfront Elektra (2) Kenny G Live Arista (3) Jimmy Buffett,Songs You know by heart/greatest hits MCA Records (4) Billy Ray Cyrus, Some Gave All Mercury (5) En Vogue, Funky Divas Eastwest Records ";-1;0 "From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) Subject: Re: BMW 3 series for 94? Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 14 Reply-To: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From article , by eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin): > > Is there going to be a BMW 328 in 1994? --Could be. Isn't the 2.5 liter six supposed to be enlarged to 2.8 liters in the not-too-distant future? --Aamir Qazi -- Aamir Qazi qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint. ";10;1 "From: andy@ie.utoronto.ca (Andy Sun) Subject: Re: Centris 650 to Decstation E-net adapter Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 86 >pnsf01dw@smucs1.umassd.edu (Dennis J. Wilkinson) writes: >Not necessarily a thrid-party adapter; Apple does manufacture transceivers >for thinWire and 10BaseT (twisted pair) cable media, as well as an AUI >(Attachment Unit Interface) transciever. They run at ~$100 each. If you use >thinWire or 10BaseT, you'll probably also need terminators (Apple's >transceivers are self-terminated, if I remember correctly, but I have no >idea about DECs). The third-party media adapters are usually cheaper (at least in Toronto) than Apple's. I bought the adapters from Asante instead of Apple. gurman@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph B. Gurman) writes: > The DECstation 5000 Models 200 and 240 come with ThinWire only >(can't say for certain about the Models 125 and 133), so your best bet That's not true. Only the DECstation 5000/200 comes with a Thinwire (BNC, coaxial) Ethernet connector. The 5000/25, 5000/133 and 5000/240 all have a single 15-pin AUI Ethernet connector only. I distinctly remembered this because when got the 5000/200 first and I thought all of them are going to be Thinwire. I eventually had to go back and ordered DESTAs (DEC's oversized version of an AUI-to-BNC adapter that MUST be used with a transciever cable) for the rest of the stations. My advise to the very original poster (Beverly?) is: (1) If all you want is to create a LAN with two workstations and won't add machines to it EVER, go for Thinwire regardless of the media type. Going for UTP (unshielded twisted pair) wiring requires a concentrator which means extra money and I believe these units come with at least 6 ports. As for Thicknet, it's a nightmare and cabling is expensive. Avoid it unless you have no choice (e.g. the two machines are two floors parts). (2) On the Mac side, you will need: - one Thinwire media adapter (from Apple or third-party). - MacX (make sure you get version 1.2; 1.1.7 won't run on System 7.1). - MacTCP (which comes with MacX; if you get MacX v1.2, you should be getting MacTCP v1.1.1 with it. Don't use earlier versions on a Centris). - you may or may not need a 25ohm terminator depending on the Thinwire media adapter. So just ask the sales if the adapter is self-terminated or not. - configure MacTCP to use ""Ethernet"". (3) On the DECstation side, you will need: - for a Model 200, you will only need a T-connector. - for Models 25, 125, 133, 240, you will need an AUI-to-BNC adapter. Get one that can be plugged in directly to the AUI port of the DECstation. This way you save the cost of a transciever cable (a 15-pin AUI male to a 15-pin AUI female cable). - get a 25ohm terminator. Your two-machine network will look like this: ##T----------------------------------------------[] +-----+ | | | | +-----+ +-----+ | | +-----+ DECstation Centris 5000/200 650 OR ##T----------------------------------------------[] {=} | +-----+ | | | +-----+ +-----+ | | +-----+ DECstation Centris 5000/25,125,133,240 650 ## -> 25ohm terminator T -> T connector --- -> Thinwire (RG58 coaxial cable) {=} -> AUI-to-BNC (i.e. Thick-to-Thin) adapter [] -> Thickwire media adapter (assuming self-terminated) | | Andy -- Andy Sun (andy@ie.utoronto.ca) 4 Taddle Creek Road, Toronto Computing Coordinator Ontario, Canada. M5S 1A4 Department of Industrial Engineering Phone: (416) 978-8830 University of Toronto Fax: (416) 978-3453 ";-1;0 "From: dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Sharon Paulson (paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov) wrote: : : Once again we are waiting. I have been thinking that it would be good : to get to as large a group as possible to see if anyone has any : experience with this kind of thing. I know that members of the medical : community are sometimes loathe to admit the importance that diet and : foods play in our general health and well-being. Anyway, as you can : guess, I am worried sick about this, and would appreciate any ideas : anyone out there has. Sorry to be so wordy but I wanted to really get : across what is going on here. : : I don't know anything specifically, but I have one further anecdote. A colleague of mine had a child with a serious congenital disease, tuberous sclerosis. Along with mental retardation comes a serious seizure disorder. The parents noticed that one thing that would precipitate a seizure was a meal with corn in it. I have always wondered about the connection, and further about other dietary ingredients that might precipitate seizures. Other experiences would be interesting to hear about from netters. -- David Ozonoff, MD, MPH |Boston University School of Public Health dozonoff@med-itvax1.bu.edu |80 East Concord St., T3C (617) 638-4620 |Boston, MA 02118 ";4;1 "From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 20 Hmm... am I the only person that remembers Masada? This isn't the first time a group has committed suicide to avoid persecution/capture... and you seem to miss the point that the raid SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! I find the FBI actions too damn reminiscent of the Warsaw Ghetto... fitting that Al Gore was in Poland for events marking the 50th anniversery of that... Remove any references to dates and you have two raids by government troops wearing black uniforms, carrying automatic weapons, backed by armored vehicles, against religious minorities they claim were practicing sexually deviant behavior and hoarding weapons... Too damn similar... James ps: I am not advocating the BD's, I just find the whole situation too damn troubling. -- ******************************************************************************** James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent ******************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: mallen@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Matt Allen) Subject: Amiga's for sale Keywords: Amiga Distribution: pa Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu For Sale: 2 Amigas! Commodore Amiga 1000 Best offer 512k Ram 1 Internal Floppy drive Detachable Keyboard 2 Button Mouse Commodore Amiga 500 Best offer 1024k Ram 1 Internal Floppy drive 2 Button Mouse 1 RGB Monitor Best offer 1 External Floppy drive Best offer Call Brian Dickman at (717)872-1719 or send e-mail to dickman_con@huey. millersv.edu. ";8;1 "From: firenza@vlsi2.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins) Subject: Performa 450 bundle-- here's what's in it. Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA Lines: 42 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: vlsi2.wpi.edu I went to Staples in Framingham, MA, today, and grabbed the info-sheet on the 450 bundle. For a mere $1897.00, you get: -25 megahertz 68030 microprocessor -4M of RAM -120M hard disk -1.4M floppy disk drive -built in support for 256 colors, expandable to 32,000 colors -1 expansion slot -keyboard and mouse -14"" display -0.29 mm dot pitch for extra-sharp text and graphics -640 x 480 pixels -microphone and speaker -Macintosh System 7 software for Performa computers version 7.1P -At Ease, Macintosh PC Exchange, and Quicktime software -Global Village Teleport fax/modem , send fax only _Service and support -1 year limited warranty -1 year of in-home service -toll free help line support -Pre-installed software: -WordPerfect Works -Best of ClickArt Collection -Touchbase -Datebook -Bestbooks -The Amereican Heritage Dictionary -Correct Grammar -Apple Special Edition of American Online with free trial membership -CheckFree electronic bill-payment software -Spectre Challenger -Scrabble Editor's Note: The spec sheet I have list's the microprocessor as a ""38030"", but I corrected that. Didn't want to confuse anybody... Tim ";-1;0 "From: gmiller@worldbank.org (Gene C. Miller) Subject: Immunotherapy for Recurrent Miscarriage Organization: worldbank.org Lines: 17 Following a series of miscarriages, my wife was given a transfusion of my white cells. (The theory as I understand it is that there is some kind of immune blocking that prevents the body from attacking the pregnancy as it normally would a ""foreign"" body. Where this blocking is deficient, the body evicts the ""intruder"", resulting in a miscarriage. The white cells apparently enhance the blocking capability.) Following the transfusion, she successfully carried the next pregnancy to term, and Jake is now an active 9 month-old who cannot wait to walk. We're now thinking about having another child, but no one (including the OBGYN who supervised the first transfusion) really seems to know whether or not the transfusion process needs to be repeated for successive pregnancies. Is there anyone in net-land who has experience with this? Thanks...Gene (and Jane and Jake) P.S. I've also posted this in misc.kids. ";-1;0 "From: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) Subject: (new) reason for Clipper alg'm secrecy Reply-To: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 38 Nntp-Posting-Host: signal.ece.clarkson.edu [Apologies for not posting to alt.clipper, or whatever, but it seems it may not be in the newsfeed here.] There may be another reason (good from NSA's point of view, horrible from everyone else's) why the algorithm/chip design might be secret. First, note that the ""experts"" will only look at ""details"", and of just the algorithm: In addition, respected experts from outside the government will be offered access to the confidential details of the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report their findings. Why not the chip design? Well, here's the possiblity: in addition to encryption, the chip pre-processes voice signals to make them easier to analyze/transcribe electronically. The chip, once widespread, might effectively be part of a massively parallel computer for ""voice- grepping"" the US phone network (or the criminal & wrong-thinking patrons thereof). I wouldn't put it past the NSA. Think how much easier it would make life for them. And if this is indeed the case, think of the possible public outcry should it become widely known. Thus the secrecy. It might be a good idea to have experts in DSP, voice recognition, and AI conversation-understanding to be on that panel, and insist they be given (authenticatable) design specs and implementation documentation. +========================================================================+ | dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu | | tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | | | | Look out, kid, it's something that you did. | | God knows when, but you're doin' it again ... | +========================================================================+ ";-1;0 "From: ""Daniel U. Holbrook"" Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left? Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 50 <1ppqkm$93n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1ppqkm$93n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> >> >>The reason I ask is because I went to a classic car meet here in the UK, >>and saw a very nice old De Soto, 1920's vintage I'd guess, with wooden >>artillery type wheels, etc, but it was right-hand drive. I can't believe >>that DeSoto produced RHD cars just for the UK.... Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on the ""wrong"" side of the road, so the export market might have been larger then than just the UK. >i'm guessing, but i believe in the twenties we probably drove mostly down >cattle trails and in wagon ruts. I am fairly sure that placement of the >steering wheel was pretty much arbitrary to the company at that time..... By the 1920s, there was a very active ""good roads"" movement, which had its origins actually in the 1890s during the bicycle craze, picked up steam in the teens (witness the Linclon Highway Association, 1912 or so, and the US highway support act (real name: something different) in 1916 that first pledged federal aid to states and counties to build decent roads. Also, the experience of widespread use of trucks for domestic transport during WW 1 convinced the government that good raods were crucial to our national defense. Anyway, by the 20s there were plenty of good roads, at least around urban areas, and they were rapidly expanding into the countryside. This was the era, after all, of the first auto touring fad, the motel, the auto camp ground, etc. Two good books on the subject spring to mind - Warren Belasco ""America on the Road"" (title may not be exact - author is) and another called ""The Devil Wagon in God's Country"" author I forget. Also, any of John Flink's or John Bell Rae's auto histories. As to placement of the steering wheel being arbitrary, by the early teens there were virtually no American cars that did not have the wheel on the left. In the early days, cars had the wheel on the left, on the right, and even in the middle, as well as sometimes having a tiller instead of a wheel. This was standardized fairly early on, though I don't know why. Dan dh3q@andrew.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon University Applied History ""World history strides on from catastrophe to catastrophe, whether we can comprehend and prove it or not."" Oswald Spengler ";-1;0 "From: shanlps@ducvax.auburn.edu Subject: TV RECEPTION: HEELLLPPP!!! Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: ducvax Organization: Auburn University, AL Lines: 18 Hello, I just canceled my support of the Cable Regime and I would like to at least pick up the 3 networks and NBC. :) I do not have tons of money nor even a few pounds so what I am looking for is the best solution for reception for under 100 dollars. I have seen modules that you plug into your wall outlet that ""supposedly"" make your entire house an antenna. I have to admit, even with my limited knowledge of wavelength and aerial reception, this seems dubious in its claims for ""excellent reception"" at best. I'll try anything, though, if it WORKS. I am in a non-mountainous area, approximately 50 miles from the transmitting stations which are pretty large (Montgomery Alabama pop. 200,000) and Colombus Goergia, pop. 100,000+. Any recommendations of products, brand-names, prices and company info (catalog ordering numbers, addresses etc.)? Thank you in advance. Paul Sylvester Shanley pshanley@humsci.auburn.edu VOICE 205 887 7440 ";-1;0 "From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Where to buy parts 1 or 2 at a time? Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 15 The pricing of parts reminds me of something a chemist once said to me: ""A gram of this dye costs a dollar. It comes out of a liter jar which also costs a dollar. And if you want a whole barrel of it, that also costs a dollar."" I.e., they charge you almost exclusively for packaging it and delivering it to you -- the chemical itself (in that particular case) was a byproduct that cost almost nothing intrinsically. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< ";-1;0 "From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: Boeing Lines: 24 In article John_Shepardson.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu (John Shepardson) writes: >> Can you please offer some recommendations? (3d graphics) > > >There has been a fantastic 3d programmers package for some years that has >been little advertised, and apparently nobody knows about, called 3d >Graphic Tools written by Mark Owen of Micro System Options in Seattle WA. >I reviewed it a year or so ago and was really awed by it's capabilities. >It also includes tons of code for many aspects of Mac programming >(including offscreen graphics). It does Zbuffering, 24 bit graphics, has a >database for representing graphical objects, and more. >It is very well written (MPW C, Think C, and HyperCard) and the code is >highly reusable. Last time I checked the price was around $150 - WELL >worth it. > >Their # is (206) 868-5418. I've talked with Mark and he faxed some literature, though it wasn't very helpful- just a list of routine names: _BSplineSurface, _DrawString3D... 241 names. There was a Product Info sheet that explained some of the package capabilities. I also found a review in April/May '92 MacTutor. It does look like a good package. The current price is $295 US. ";-1;0 "From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 85 In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: > >From: Center for Policy Research > >A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. >---------------------------------------------------------- by > Elias Davidsson Of all the stupid postings you've brought here recently, it is illuminating that you chose to put your own name on perhaps the stupidest of them. >The following proposal is based on the following assumptions: > >1. Fundamental human rights, such as the right to life, to >education, to establish a family and have children, to human >dignity, the right to free movement, to free expression, etc. are >more important to human existence that the rights of states. Does this mean that you are calling for the dismantling of the Arab states? >2. In the event of a conflict between basic human rights and >rights of collectivities, basic human rights should prevail. Apparently, your answer is yes. >6. Attempts to solve the Israeli-Arab conflict by traditional >political means have failed. Attempts to solve these problem by traditional military means and non-traditional terrorist means has also failed. But that won't stop them from trying again. After all, it IS a Holy War, you know.... >7. As long as the conflict is perceived as that between two >distinct ethnical/religious communities/peoples which claim the >land, there is no just nor peaceful solution possible. ""No just solution possible."" How very encouraging. >Having stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal. You mean that it gets even funnier? >1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants >for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew >and the other Palestinian-Arab. [...] >3. For the first child, the grant will amount to $18.000. For >the second the third child, $12.000 for each child. For each >subsequent child, the grant will amount to $6.000 for each child. > >4. The Fund would be financed by a variety of sources which >have shown interest in promoting a peaceful solution to the >Israeli-Arab conflict, No, the Fund should be financed by the Center for Policy Research. It IS a major organization, isn't it? Isn't it? >5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed' >marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on >'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its >ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a >truly civil society. Yeah, just like marriages among Arabs has strengthened their societies. >The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of >people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the >Middle-East in a graceful manner. The world could do with a bit less Middle Eastern ""grace"". >Objections to this proposal will certainly be voiced. I will >attempt to identify some of these: Boy, you're a one-man band. Listen, if you'd like to Followup on your own postings and debate with yourself, just tell us and we'll leave you alone. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. ";-1;0 "From: dwk@cci632.cci.com (Dave Kehrer) Subject: Individual Winners (WAS: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM?) Summary: my picks Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc. - Network Application Systems Lines: 45 Well, since you mentioned it... In article <1993Apr12.142028.6300@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes: > Lemieux is clearly the MVP No question here. Chip in the Masterson as well... > Selanne wins the Calder Yep. > Chelios the Norris, If you asked me 30 days ago, I'd agree with you. I now give the nod to Raymond Bourque; his play took off the same time the B's did. Chelios gets a close second... > dunno who wins the Vezina, but I suspect not Potvin. Barrasso finally gets his due, in a close one over Eddie the Eagle... > Coach of the year is tricky: Burns did the most with the least raw talent, > King did a good job but the Flames clearly underachieved last year, Brian > Sutter has done exceptionally well in his first year with a new team, ditto > Demers, Page has been blessed by the ripening and acquisition of young > talent, Darryl Sutter is having a good year for a rookie coach, Berry made > the best of a bad situation, Terry Crisp worked minor miracles, and Bowman > was Bowman. I'd pick Burns, but I'm mildly biased. In *your* case, that bias is acceptable :-)... Mine shows with the Norris pick, so we're even... I'm impressed with what all the coaches you mentioned did, but my pick would be Al Arbour. Not too many folks thought the Isles would be in the playoffs, let alone contend for 3rd in their division... Granted that they *did* have a little help from their cousins on Broadway... :-) And I like the Islanders about as much as I like mowing my lawn... > Mike Godfrey -------- David Kehrer (dwk@sunsrvr2.cci.com)-Northern Telecom NAS-Rochester, New York ""It's nothing for me to eat six or seven pieces of pizza, then go out to dinner with my wife and not remember I had the pizza."" - Jacques Demers ";-1;0 "From: blob@apple.com (Brian Bechtel) Subject: Re: Drivers for CD-ROM Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com sakelley@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Scott Kelley) writes: >Does anybody know where I could find a driver for a Future Echo >Infomasster [sic] CDE 600 CD-ROM drive? A friend is running this drive >off of a PC and would like to use it on the mac. Here are some contacts for generic CD-ROM drivers: Optical Access International 800 West Cummings Park, Suite 2050 Woburn MA 01801 (617) 937-3910 (617) 937-3950 fax AppleLink: OAI FWB, Inc. 2040 Polk Street, Suite 215 San Francisco, CA 94109 (415) 474-8055 (415) 775-2125 fax AppleLink: FWB Optical Media International 180 Knowles Drive Los Gatos, CA 95030 (408) 376-3511 (408) 376-3519 fax AppleLink: OMI Trantor Systems (for Intel architecture machines) 5415 Randall Place Fremont, CA 94538 (415) 770-1400 AppleLink: TRANTOR Software Architects (not verified) 11812 North Creek Parkway N. Suite 202 Bothell, WA 98011 AppleLink: SOFTARCH.DEV > Casa Blanca Works(not verified) > 415-461-2227 > Applelink: CBWorks To send a message to someone on AppleLink, use the form address@applelink.apple.com where ""address"" is replaced by the appropriate applelink address. --Brian Bechtel blob@apple.com ""My opinion, not Apple's"" ";0;1 "From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) Subject: How to the disks copy protected. Originator: sehari@marge.ecss.iastate.edu Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa. Lines: 10 --- I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how effective are they? Has anyone have any experience in this area? With highest regards, Babak Sehari. -- ";-1;0 "From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Subject: Need to find out numb Distribution: world Organization: Ozone Online Operations, Inc. - New Orleans, LA Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Lines: 24 AL>> Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can AL>> use to find out the number to the line? AL>> Thanks for any response. AL>> Al AL>There is a number you can call which will return a synthesized AL>voice telling you the number of the line. Unfortunately, for the AL>life of me I can't remember what it is. The telephone technicians AL>use it all the time. We used to play around with this in our AL>dorm rooms since there were multiple phone lines running between AL>rooms. It probably wouldn't help for you to post the number, since it appears to be different in each area. For what it's worth, in the New Orleans area the number is 998-877-6655 (easy to remember, what?) * SLMR 2.1 * Ask me anything: if I don't know, I'll make up something. ---- The Ozone Hole BBS * A Private Bulletin Board Service * (504)891-3142 3 Full Service Nodes * USRobotics 16.8K bps * 10 Gigs * 100,000 Files SKYDIVE New Orleans! * RIME Network Mail HUB * 500+ Usenet Newsgroups Please route all questions or inquiries to: postmaster@ozonehole.com ";-1;0 "From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4 Lines: 8 nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: : : Nut or not, he was clearly a liar. He said he would surrender after : local radio stations broadcast his message, but he didn't. Then he : said he would surrender after Passover, but he didn't. : The FBI said he would surrender. We don't KNOW what he said. ";-1;0 "From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) Organization: Destructive Testing Systems Lines: 30 In article <93107.144339SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon writes: >This is turning into 'what's a moonbase good for', and I ought >not to post when I've a hundred some odd posts to go, but I would >think that the real reason to have a moon base is economic. > >Since someone with space industry will presumeably have a much >larger GNP than they would _without_ space industry, eventually, >they will simply be able to afford more stuff. If I read you right, you're saying in essence that, with a larger economy, nations will have more discretionary funds to *waste* on a lunar facility. That was certainly partially the case with Apollo, but real Lunar colonies will probably require a continuing military, scientific, or commercial reason for being rather than just a ""we have the money, why not?"" approach. It's conceivable that Luna will have a military purpose, it's possible that Luna will have a commercial purpose, but it's most likely that Luna will only have a scientific purpose for the next several hundred years at least. Therefore, Lunar bases should be predicated on funding levels little different from those found for Antarctic bases. Can you put a 200 person base on the Moon for $30 million a year? Even if you use grad students? Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | ";-1;0 "From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) Distribution: world Subject: Re: com ports /modem/ mouse conflict -REALLY? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Organization: private COHERENT system Lines: 20 Phil Hunt (phil@howtek.MV.COM) wrote: > I'm kind of new at the pc stuff. My machine has 4 serial ports. Com 1 and3 > and 2 &4 share same IRQs. You mean I can't plug a mouse into Com1 and a modem > into com3 and expect both to work? No, but some OS's ( COHERENT , etc ) are able to drive one of the ports in polled mode without using the IRQ. In your example, after accessing the modem, the mouse won't work until you reboot, because the IRQ is used by the modem. > If Answer is NO, should I change IRQ's for com ports to be different? And, > does it really matter which IRQ I set the ports too? Yes, you can change the IRQ's for com3/4, but it depends on your other hardware. com1 uses IRQ4, com2 IRQ3. If you have only one printerport ( IRQ7 ), you can change com3 to IRQ5 ( normally 2nd printer ). For com4, you can assign IRQ2, if its free. As far as I know, no other IRQ can be used until your I/O-card is 16bit and caould access IRQ's > 8. Michael -- * michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * ";-1;0 "From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) Subject: Re: More MOA stuff --- like the RA Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil In article , artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell) wrote: > > OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept > leadership. > > My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the > formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years > ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups? Yep. Both were started (nominally) simultaneously. Splitsville from the start (ie, if my sources are correct, one guy was involved in the start of both groups. true?) tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil ""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."" --gene spafford, 1992 ";-1;0 "From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu Organization: UNLV > Can anyone tell me how Chicago/Windows 4 would differ from >OS/2 2.x? Believe it or not, I'm not trying to start a flame war, >here. I'm simply curious if there is going to be any feature >advantage in either of these products (I do not consider the fact that >it has uncle bills seal of approval much of a feature...) One difference will _probably_ be the same difference as between OS2 and Windows 3.x now--one will likely have a lot of software available for it and one won't (emulation, with the inevitable incompatibilities that crop up in spite of all the contrary claims, just doesn't count when you _have_ to use a certain software package that doesn't quite run properly under the emulation...). Developers want to channel their resources toward a platform that has a large installed base, and in a case like that the platform that is most successfully _marketed_ (regardless of its relative sophistication) will win. Lamont Downs downs@nevada.edu ";6;1 "From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) Subject: Re: Necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology Lines: 58 In article <1993Apr6.131018.12873@acd4.acd.com> jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes: >> >>In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning >>will do much more good than just using detergent gas. While I >>agree that a clogged fuel injector would darken my day, how clogged >>do they get, and is $59 a good price (or can I do it myself by buying >>a can of ____ (what?) and doing ___ what? > > >A ""fuel injector cleaning"" at the dealer is probably little more than >them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, >and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer. Go to KMart and buy the >cleaner yourself for $1.29. Personally, i wouldn't use the $1.29 product from KMart. I knew about this previously, but this past weekend on PBS's MotorWeek Pat Goss (their resident tech type) discussed these products, and recommends not using them (i.e, the non-isopropyl alcohlo based injector cleaners). Supposedly only the isopropyl based cleaners actually remove moisture from your fuel tank as they clean your injectors. And although the others (ethyl based) do clean injectors they also cause rubber components in the fuel system to deteriorate, and they don't mix well with water to help remove it from the fuel system. I use a product recommended by VW called 44K (by BG Products, Inc.). It cost more about $14.00, but it is supposed to do the job without the potential harmful side effects, and its results are supposed to last from 2k to 4k miles. I have also used Chevron's Techtrolene (sp?). I can't say that i have noticed any difference using either, since i only use these product as a preventative maintenance item. > >Just because you dealer sez you need it, don't mean it's necessarily so. >Be suspicious. > >jim grey >jwg@acd4.acd.com . / Larry __/ _______/_ keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov / \ _____ __ _____ \------- === ----------- / ____/ / / /__ __/ \ / ___ / / ___ / / / / ____ | | / \/ /__ / | / /__ __/ /__ / \ / /___ \_______/ /_____/ /______/ ====OO \ / \ / - 1990 2.0 16v - ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! -------------------- The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldn't understand anyway! ------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Inland Sea Lines: 17 smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: >Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack >has 2^80 possible keys. Let's assume a brute-force engine like that >hypothesized for DES: 1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips. That's >10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials. Well, >maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build >a machine with 10 million chips. Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution. Normally I'd be the last to argue with Steve . . . but shouldn't that read ""3.8 years for *all* solutions"". I mean, if we can imagine the machine that does 1 trial/nanosecond, we can imagine the storage medium that could index and archive it. -- ""Shadwell hated all southerners and, by inference, was standing at the North Pole."" -- ""Good Omens"", by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett ";-1;0 "From: gress@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (GRESS JOSEPH JOHN ) Subject: Re: With Friends Like These -- L. Neil Smith Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 33 In article papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: >In article <1993Apr10.155819.18237@sco.com> allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes: >>Look, if you can figure out a reliable means of keeping guns away from >>bad people, while not interfering with good people, I think we'd all be >>for it. The problem is, the methods we're using now don't do the trick. > >Don't manufacture them. Don't sell them. Don't import them. > >Some guns will get through, but far fewer, and far less people will >die because of them. Hunting weapons could be allowed, of course, as >long as they are big, and bulky, and require reloading after a few >shots (how many times can you shoot at the same animal, anyways One >assumes they are moving!) > > First of all let's assume that you are right that fewer guns would make it in to the country, that sounds great (to those that see guns as inherently evil) except then every one of those guns would be in the hands of someone who obviously couldn't care less about following the law, after all they got the gun illegally, so is more likely to commit a crime with that gun. Great then everyone with a gun is likely to use it in a crime, nice system. Now as to reducing the number of guns coming into society by making it illegal to manufacture, sell, or import them in this coutry, let me use a parallel for empiric evidence. The amount of cocaine in this country is far less since its manufacture, sale, and importation was out lawwed. If that last statement is true then perhaps we should consider your plan. This could also apply to drugs in general. PLAIN OLD JOE > ";-1;0 "From: ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov.cr.usgs.gov (Noel S. Gorelick) Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet Originator: news@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu Reply-To: ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov Nntp-Posting-Host: essex.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: MercWorks, Denver X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 24 Alan Barrett (barrett@lucy.ee.und.ac.za) wrote: > In article , > clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: > >> In making this decision, I do >> not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the >> government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that >> are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key- >> escrow system. > > ""In making this decision, I intend to prevent the private sector from > developing, except with the government's approval, other microcircuits > or algorithms that are more effective in assuring privacy."" > Doesn't this just mean that the government might not approve something for use by other government agencies. This does not sound to me to be any form of threat that Joe User can't develop and use his own encryption algorithm. -- ""You want it should sing too?"" | /* Yeah we got dogs and Valvoline ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov | Its a pretty damn good time. */ ""Life is pain. Anyone that tells you different is trying to sell you something"" ";-1;0 "From: matthew@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Matthew Kleinmann) Subject: Is a 2 headed Sun 3/60 possible (cgfour0/bwtwo0) Organization: Alchemy International Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: alchemy.tn.cornell.edu I have a Sun 3/60 that has a mono framebuffer (bwtwo0 ?) built on the motherboard. The same system also has a cgfour (cgfour0 and bwtwo1 ?) daughterboard. I have been using this system with a color monitor having a color ""front"" screen from the cgfour, and a mono ""back"" screen from the bwtwo1, both on the same tube. I recentley picked up a 1600 x 1280 Sun mono monitor, and I would like to make a two headed system with the cgfour0 and the bwtwo0. I do not care if I loose the ""back"" screen on the color tube from the bwtwo1. After looking through the Xsun man page I am not sure if this is possible. Has anybody sucessfuly done this before? --Matthew ";-1;0 "From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: free moral agency and Jeff Clark Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 21 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: > >This is the reason I like the controversy of post-modernism, the >issues of polarities -- evil and good -- are just artificial >constructs, and they fall apart during a closer inspection. > >The more I look into the notion of a constant struggle between >the evil and good forces, the more it sounds like a metaphor >that people just assume without closer inspection. > More info please. I'm not well exposed to these ideas. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ";9;1 "From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: eddie.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 34 In article michael@iastate.edu (Michael M. Huang) writes: >MSG is common in many food we eat, including Chinese (though some oriental >restaurants might put a tad too much in them). I've noticed that when I >go out and eat in most of the Chinese food restaurants, I will usually get >a slight headache and an ununsual thirst afterwards. This happens to many >of my friends and relatives too. And, heh, we eat Chinese food all the >time at home :) (but we don't use MSG when we're cooking for ourselves) > >So, when we put one and one together, it can be safely assumed that >MSG may cause some allergic reactions in some people. > >Stick with natural things. MSG doesn't do body any good (and possibly >harms, for that matter). So, why bother with it? Taste food as it should >be tasted, and don't cloud the flavor with an imaginary cloak of MSG. As I understood it, MSG *is* natural. Isn't it found in tomatoes? Anyway, lots of people are terribly allergic to lots of natural things; peanuts, onions, tomatoes, milk, etc. Just because something is 'natural' doesn't mean it won't cause problems with some folks. As for how foods taste: If I'm not allergic to MSG and I like the taste of it, why shouldn't I use it? Saying I shouldn't use it is like saying I shouldn't eat spicy food because my neighbor has an ulcer. People have long modified the taste of food by additives, whether they be chiles, black pepper, salt, cream sauces, etc. All of these things cloud the flavor of the food. Why do we bother with them? How should food be tasted? Isn't it better left to the diner? Julie DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: univesa driver From: djlewis@ualr.edu Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock Nntp-Posting-Host: athena.ualr.edu Lines: 13 In article <13622@news.duke.edu>, seth@north13.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman) writes: > > I got the univesa driver available over the net. I thought that finally > my 1-meg oak board would be able to show 680x1024 256 colors. Unfortunately a > program still says that I can't do this. Is it the fault of the program (fractint) > or is there something wrong with my card. > univesa- a free driver available over the net that makes many boards > vesa compatible. WHATS THIS 680x1024 256 color mode? Asking a lot of your hardware ? Don Lewis ";-1;0 "From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 28 In article <1qv83m$5i2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim McCoy) writes: > I set up a bbs that uses public-key encryption and encryption of > files on disk. The general setup is designed so that when users > connect they send a private key encrypted using the system public > key and the user's public-private keypair is used to wrap the > one-time session keys used for encrypting the files on disk. The > result of this is that even if I reveal the system private key it > is impossible for anyone to gain access to the files stored on the > machine. What is possible is for someone to use the revealed > system private key to entice users into revealing thier personal > private keys during the authentication sequence. > >Any answers or general musings on the subject would be appreciated... > Just a question. As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland) Friendly greetings, Germano Caronni -- Instruments register only through things they're designed to register. Space still contains infinite unknowns. PGP-Key-ID:341027 Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F ";-1;0 "From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood) Subject: Western Digital HD info needed Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu I was recently loaned an older Dec 210 286 at work, and I have the option of adding an additional Western Digital Hard-drive to the machine. The existing drive is currently a Western Digital as well, and is working fine, but I do not have any documentation available for configuring the master/slave relationship necessary for a c: d: drive setup. The first drive is currently formatted to Tandy Dos v3.3 but I am eventually going to upgrade both to MS Dos v 5.0 The drives themselves are both model number WD95044-A circa 5-07-1991 They are 782 cyl 4 head drives. A note to add is that there is no exact configuration for these in my current bios, but it seems to work at a setting 17 (977 cyl 5 head, 300 write_pre, 977 landing zone). There are three pairs of jumper pins on the back that I presume are for setting up the master/slave. Originally, the drive in the machine had none. Currently, I was suggested to try the far right (looking at the back) for master and the middle jumper for the slave. When booted, the reinitialize seems to puke accessing the d: drive. It does flicker about three times on the second drive, but then gives the error. Hopefully the problem is as simple as the drive not being formatted, but not being a person who has ever had to actual format and unformatted drive, I would not even know how to do that. Any and all help on this is great fully appreciated. If not, a number for Western Digital might just do as good! swood -- Hunting over in Michigan? Don't Despair - NO CLOSED SEASON ON: opossum, porcupine, weasel, red squirrel, skunk, starlings, feral pigeons, English sparrows, ground squirrel & woodchuck Anyway trout season opens the last Saturday this month. ";-1;0 "From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Revelations Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 29 In article topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht) writes: >Now, as to the suggestion that all prophecy tends to be somewhat cyclical, >can you elaborate? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. How does the >suggestion relate to Isaiah's prophecy of the birth of Christ by a virgin? >I don't see any cycles in that prophecy. Maybe cyclical is not the best word. That is one aspect of it. In the case of the virgin birth prophecy, it applied to the then and there, and also prophetically to Christ. The army that threatened the king would cease to be a threat in a very short time. Yet it also prophecied of Christ. Several prophecies that refered to Christ also had application at the time they were made. ""Out of Egypt have I called my Son"" refers both to Israel, and prophetically to Christ. ""Why do the heathen rage"" was said of David and also of Christ. Another example would be the Scripture quoted of Judas, ""and his bishoprick let another take."" Another example is something that Isaiah said of His disciples which is also applied to Christ in Hebrews, ""the children thou hast given me."" How does the preterist view account for this phenomenon. Link Link Hudson. ";-1;0 "From: moakler@romulus.rutgers.edu (bam!) Subject: The Bob Dylan Baseball Abstract Distribution: na Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 49 Just a little something I found while reading the Village Voice, which is not noted for its sports coverage, but occasionally the print some interesting features. This year, the predictions/team analyses for the 1993 season were presented in the form of Bob Dylan lyrics. I don't have the article in front of me, so I'll only give the memorable ones here that I remember and know the melody to. I could dig up more if there is interest. Yankess (to the tune of ""Subterranean Homesick Blues"") Howe is in the basement, mixing up the medicine. George is on the pavement thinking 'bout the government. Wade Boggs in a trench coat, bat out, paid off, Says he's got a bad back, wants to get it laid off. Look out kids, it's somethin' you did. Don't know when, but it's Columbus again. Mets (to the tune of ""Like a Rolling Stone"") Once upon a time you played so fine you threw away Dykstra before his prime, didn't you? People said ""Beware Cone, he's bound to roam"" But you thought they were just kidding you. You used to laugh about, The Strawberry that was headin' out. But now you don't talk so loud, Now you don't seem so proud, About having to shop Vince Coleman for your next deal.... Phillies (to the tune of ""Highway 61"") Well Daulton and Dykstra should have some fun, Just keep them off of Highway 61! Giants (to the tune of ""The Ballad of Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter"") This is the story of the Magowan, The man St. Petersburg came to pan, For something that he never done, He sits in the owner's box but one... Day he could have been the Tampian of the world! _______________________________________________________________________________ Bill Moakler | LPO 10280 | !RUTGERS ANIME! moakler@remus.rutgers.edu| PO BOX 5064 | !ATLANTIC ANIME ALLIANCE! (908)-932-3465 |New Brunswick, NJ 08903| !CHIBI-CON '93! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am not an OTAKU; I am a FREE MAN! ";-1;0 "From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics In-Reply-To: Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 18 >DATE: 19 Apr 93 23:23:26 GMT >FROM: Bake Timmons > >My my, there _are_ a few atheists with time on their hands. :) > >OK, first I apologize. I didn't bother reading the FAQ first and so fired an >imprecise flame. That was inexcusable. > How about the nickname Bake ""Flamethrower"" Timmons? You weren't at the Koresh compound around noon today by any chance, were you? Remember, Koresh ""dried"" for your sins. And pass that beef jerky. Umm Umm. ";-1;0 "From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >I don't expect the lion to know, or not know anything of the kind. |> >In fact, I don't have any evidence that lions ever consider such |> >issues. |> >And that, of course, is why I don't think you can assign moral |> >significance to the instinctive behaviour of lions. |> |> What I've been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior. |> That is, it doesn't take much work to be moral, but it certainly does to |> be immoral (in some cases). That's the craziest thing I ever heard. Are you serious? ""it doesn't take much work to be moral?"" |> Also, I've said that morality is a remnant of evolution. Really? And that's why people discuss morality on a daily basis? Because it's a kind of evolutionary hangover, like your little toe? |> Our moral system is based on concepts well practiced in the animal |> kingdom. This must be some novel use of the phrase ""based on"" with which I am not sufficiently familiar. What do you mean by ""based on"" and what is the significance of it for your argument? |> |> >>So you are basically saying that you think a ""moral"" is an undefinable |> >>term, and that ""moral systems"" don't exist? If we can't agree on a |> >>definition of these terms, then how can we hope to discuss them? |> > |> >No, it's perfectly clear that I am saying that I know what a moral |> >is in *my* system, but that I can't speak for other people. |> |> But, this doesn't get us anywhere. Your particular beliefs are irrelevant |> unless you can share them or discuss them... Well, we can. What would you like to know about my particular moral beliefs? If you raise a topic I've never considered, I'll be quite happy to invent a moral belief out of thin air. jon. ";-1;0 "From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) Subject: NX2000 vs. Sentra SE-R Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 17 Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu I'm plannig to trade my Sentra SE-R in with a NX2000. My car has 11,500 miles on it and is a '92 model. The NX2000 the dealer is selling is a '91 model with 23,000miles on it. It has a T-Bar Roof, a/c, and an airbag, which my Sentra does not have. They are asking for $1500. Is that a fair deal? The only thing I noticed about the NX2000 is that the engine did not seem to have as much torque as my Sentra which has the same identical engine. I presume that the last lady owner did not really push the engine to it's limits occassionaly while I did that on mine, thuis the NX2000's engine is a little ""tight."" So, if I buy the NX2000 and ""excercise"" it well, should that slight power problem go away? Any advice on this will be much appreciated. Thanks. Please reply via e-mail if possible. -- A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. ""The mind is the forerunner of all states."" ";-1;0 "From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils)DIR Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr18.222115.6525@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: > In wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu ( Rex Wang ) writes: > >>I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points >>with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put >>win as first in a tie breaker...... > > Well I don't see any smileys here. I am trying to figure out if the poster > is a dog or a wordprocessor. Couldn't be neither. Both are smarter than > this. > > ""I might not be great in Math"" > > > -- > > cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca > ""So many morons... > rm ...and so little time."" Roger? Lecture someone on not using smileys? What sweet hipocracy... KOZ LETS GO CAPS!! ";-1;0 "From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org Distribution: usa Organization: NOT Lines: 27 karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes: ]""Get the organization to act on it"" is easy to say, but says little ]about what one really can and should do. What the organization ]actually will do is largely determined by the president and directors, ]as far as I can see. That's what makes it so important to vote in an ]election of officers. if I remember right, I heard that in the last election, only 18% of the members actually cast votes. I wonder if the current board and their friends and relatives make up 18% of the membership :-) :-) I certainly plan on staying with the club long enough to vote and to see the results. ]It does strike me that the BMWMOA is a lot less politically active (in ]the state and national arenas, not infighting) than other M/C ]organizations. Should we change this? Or just join the other groups ]that already are in politics? I wouldn't support the MOA becoming politically active in that sense. the AMA already knows how to do that and I'd rather see the MOA support the AMA in a manner that the *AMA* needs. I think that more could be accomplished from one strong front rather than two not neccessarily coordinated ones. -- Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org ";-1;0 "From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) Subject: Foreskin Troubles Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford) Lines: 3 What can be done, short of circumcision, for an adult male whose foreskin will not retract? ";-1;0 "From: popec@brewich.hou.tx.us (Pope Charles) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: The Brewers' Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US Lines: 42 caldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell) writes: > kosinski@us.oracle.com (Kevin Osinski) writes: > > >I recall reading in Michael (?) Rutherford's novel ""Sarum"" a scene in > >which the son of a Roman nobleman living in Britain takes part in a > >secret ceremony involving a bull. He stands naked in a pit covered > >with some sort of scaffolding while assistants coax a bull to stand on > >the scaffolding. They then fatally stab the bull, which douses the > >worshipper in the pit with blood. This is supposedly some sort of > >rite of passage for members of the bull cult. I wonder if this is > >related to the Mithras cult? > > > >I don't know where Rutherford got his information for this chapter. > >The book is historical fiction, and most of the general events which > >take place are largely based on historical accounts. > > There is a rite like this described in Joseph Campbell's > _Occidental_Mythology_. He also described levels of initiation, I think > 6? I don't know where Campbell got his info, but I remember thinking he > was being a little eclectic. > > >I also wonder what if any connection there is between the ancient bull > >cults and the current practice of bullfighting popular in some > >Mediterranean cultures. > > Quite a bit. If you haven't read Campbell, give him a try. > > -- > -- Larry Caldwell caldwell@ohsu.edu CompuServe 72210,2273 > Oregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232 Yes. I cannot remeber which works I read about this in, as it was many years ago. This ritual was called The Tarobaullum I believe, (The spelling may be off). Pope Charles ------------------ popec@brewich.hou.tx.us (Pope Charles) Origin: The Brewers' Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350 ";-1;0 "From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: In memoriam: Dan Kelly and Danny Gallivan Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 27 In article burke.1@nd.edu (R. P. Burke) writes: >When talking about hockey broadcasters, let's give a moment of silence to >remember the St. Louis Blues' great, Dan Kelly. (Many of you may have heard >him in the late 60s and early 70s on CBS.) He used to do Hockey Night In >Canada intermissions, with another recently deceased great, Danny Gallivan >of the Canadiens. Agreed here...I'll never forget Dan Kelly calling the play-by-play in the '87 Canada Cup. He was masterful! And Danny Gallivan will _never_ be replaced; even now when I watch HNIC I remember his voice...when I see an Al MacInnis or Al Iafrate (hey, what's with these guys named Al who can shoot??) shot from the point I still think ""blistering blast""...THN had a tribute to Gallivan in the issue following his death; in the story they included a quote from one of the games he did. It went: ""It appears Risebrough has pugnaciously construed that check,"" he said, ""and will undoubtedly make a visitation to the box of punition."" Classic, vintage Gallivan! He's sorely missed. So here's to two of the best there was and best that ever will be. dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca ";-1;0 "From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) Subject: Re: DX3/99 Originator: guyd@pal500.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr3.163556.24998@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes: > In article <1993Apr3.011823.22935@kpc.com>, pcarmack@gimp.kpc.com (Phil Carmack) writes: > > ....there are people who are performance driven enough to do it. > > If it weren't so people wouldn't buy Pentium(tm) systems in the first > > place since they could buy a 486DX3/99 that would run their existing > > applications faster. Certainly a 486DX3/99 is in the same ""league"" as > > a Pentium(tm). > > Is the 486DX3/99 anything more than a myth? I haven't heard of it > from any source that I trust, and I sure don't see any ads for DX3/99 > machines in Computer Shopper. Intel is pretty busy with the Pentium > right now; I can't seem them introducing their own competition. > IBM has displayed a 486DX3/99 as a *TECHNOLOGY DEMO*. This effectivly means - ""here's some neat technology"". It is not a commitment to make such an item... > -- > Keith Mancus > N5WVR > ""Black powder and alcohol, when your states and cities fall, > when your back's against the wall...."" -Leslie Fish Guy -- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc. guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128 guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377 ";-1;0 "From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr20.113953.18879@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.151818.4319@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Marks@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Marks) writes: >>>And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to >>>being traded to Pittsburgh. Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains >>>and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them. They rotate the A's during the >>>season (and even the C while Mario was out). Even Troy Loney has worn the C >>>for the Pens. >> > >I think that Mike Foligno was the captain of the Sabres when he >got traded to the Leafs. Also, wasn't Rick Vaive the captain of >the Leafs when he got traded to Chicago (with Steve Thomas for >Ed Olcyzk and someone). Speaking of the Leafs, I believe that >Darryl Sittler was their captain (he'd torn the ""C"" off his >jersey but I think he re-claimed the captaincy later on) when he >was traded to the Flyers. > >Oh yeah, of course, Gretzky was the captain of the Oilers before >he was traded wasn't he? Dale Hawerchuk and Troy Murray were both captains of the Jets when they were traded. (Murray this year in mid-season, Hawerchuk a few years ago in the off-season.) Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! ";-1;0 "From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: tuff to be a Christian? Reply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 75 In article mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) writes: >bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: >>same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives >>over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But > > So you think it is easy to be a Muslim? Or be a Buddhist? [good points on buddhism, etc. deleted] just because one says christianity -- true christianity -- is hard to follow faithfully does NOT mean that one discounts the validity and difficulty of other religions. i admire those of any religion who are willing to make the kind of sacrifices and dedicate themselves spiritually in the way you are talking about. [more deleted] >And perhaps some more. But leave the crap in it out (""woman was created >after man, to be his helper"" etc). do you think this is what christianity is all about? not all christians believe in this particular story literally. it sounds above like you are supporting a policy of ""to each his own"" -- here is another example of that. if it helps someone's faith to take every word of the bible literally, i support and respect that, too. >>time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. >>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in >>a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this >>time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be > > When ever I turn on my TV there is this Pat Robertson and >other brain washers (Oh boy, what an act they put on!) with an >1-800 number to turn in your pledges. >God it seems is alive and well inside these boxes. please don't judge all of christianity by one man. the only man one can truly judge all of christianity by is jesus (makes sense, right?). i think his point about how we put our lives into little boxes is very true -- what does your comment about robertson have to do with that? >>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for >>ourselves. > Parting Question: > Would you have become a Christian if you had not >been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about >any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim >you are brain washed. i was raised agnostic -- my father was never baptised and was raised atheist. he is not an atheist because he found a close-mindedness present in the viewpoint of his parents equal to the close-mindedness he found in the viewpoint of the christians he came in contact with. thus i was _free_ to choose how to live my life, and he supported the decision i made to join the episcopal church, although he emphasized to me that his respect for my beliefs should result in my not intruding on his beliefs, ie, i should not try to convert him, as that is his decision. (please, no flames or advice on how to convert him!) one of my good friends is hindi and i greatly respect her beliefs and the culture surrounding her religion. my best friend is jewish and i have always held a profound resepct for the jewish religion (chaim potok and isaac bashevis singer are two of my favorite authors). i really do not think you can make that kind of generalization about how christians choose -- and i do mean CHOOSE-- their faith. if they have not consciously accepted the faith in their adult lives (which is what confirmation represents), THEN you can talk about their being brainwashed. vera ""if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!"" - rush, ""freewill"" ";-1;0 "From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Wholly Babble (Was Re: free moral agency) Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 10 In article <2944159064.5.p00261@psilink.com> ""Robert Knowles"" writes: (Deletion) >Of course, there is also the >Book of the SubGenius and that whole collection of writings as well. Does someone know a FTP site with it? Benedikt ";-1;0 "From: netd@susie.sbc.com () Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization Lines: 62 NNTP-Posting-Host: susie.sbc.com In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: >For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure, >or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast, I don't think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his sermon. It's the deaths he's responsible for that concern most people. >I've enclosed a partial list of the sources he cites or quotes >he exactly used. As a Christian sermon, it's pretty good, if not >inspired. > >Though I differ in part on some of his conclusions, the argument >he presents is well backed -- which is why it's taken me this long >to work through -- still ongoing. > >If you thought it was rambling -- that says far more about you than >it does Koresh. There is a very definite relationship between the You've made me curious. What does this say about me? >First Seal in Revelation 6, the entirety of Psalms 45, and the >most of Revelation 19 -- which demonstrated one of his major points >about how the writings in the Prophets (including David), and in >the Psalms, and in Revelation are all telling the same story when >you understand how they're related (ie have the key). The largely >explain each other. Charles Manson used revelation as well. Do we see a pattern here? I wonder of Koresh liked the Beatles? > >The sequence following is keyed to the Koresh tape, should you care >to check it out. You can almost see the note cards he used when >doing the analysis. > [long list of Biblical references which impressed me tremendously but were deleted in the interests of common sense.] Koresh was a nut, okay? Just because he found ways for the Bible to backup his rantings does not make him any less of a kook. > >Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed >for the message he carried. I'll type this very slowly so that you can understand. He either set the fire himself or told his followers to do so. Don't make him out to be a martyr. He did not ""get killed"", he killed himself. > >In the mean time, we sure learned a lot about evil and corruption. >Are you surprised things have gotten that rotten? > The evil was inside the compound. All that ""thou shalt not kill"" stuff. >Oh yeah, one last point for the believers -- Philippian 2:14-19. For the rest of us, could you please post the text? ";-1;0 "From: anthonyp@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Anthony Pun) Subject: Re: Why HP printers rated so low? Article-I.D.: extro.anthonyp.735036446 Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au egaillou@etu.gel.ulaval.ca (Eric Gailloux) writes: >I'm about to purchase a laser printer for my Mac and I read the MacUser >Buying Guide special issue. All HP printers (except IIISI) are rated very low >compared to other noname bargain-priced printers. Why is that so? On the PC, >HP printers are THE standard amongst printer manufacturers. >PS: My personnal favorite -budgetwise- would be the IIIP. The IIIP has just been superseded by the 4M, which is the one I am using at work. The quality of the print is execellent, beating 300 dpi printers hands down. In Australia the price of the 4M is about comparable with that of the III-series, so HP are trying to get people to buy the new one !!! Anthony Pun anthonyp@extro.ucc.su.oz.au ";-1;0 "From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Nntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr17.122651.1874@sugra.uucp> ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes: >:Judge: ""I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key >: itself"" >:You: ""The keyphrase is: ""I confess to deliberately evading copyright; >: the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of >: copyrighted Peanuts strips."""" >:Judge and CP: ""Oh."" >: How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or >:can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will >:they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal? > >Hm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment >like they are doing in the LAPD trial? Ie your judge is a state judge, and >then a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the >same trail. No. The LAPD officers were tried first by the State of California on charges of police brutality, and secondly by the Federal Government on depriving RK of his civil rights - a different crime. The scenario I outline is more similar to the Oliver North trial. Ollie confessed to treason (aiding an enemy of the US) during Senate hearings, under immunity. The team which was later to prosecute him on criminal charges had to sequester itself from all reports of ON's immunized testimony. ON's lawyer brought up the probability that at least someone on the team had heard about the Senate testimony, and it was a strong factor against the prosecution, which is one of the reasons this ON is still walking around free today. Peter Trei ptrei@mitre.org ";-1;0 "From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Re: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr20.194441.23595@julian.uwo.ca> lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee) writes: >Woops! This is rec.sport.hockey! Not rec.sport.golf! Hope you check the >newsgroup header next time before posting! Duh! He was making a joke about how long the Leafs would last in the playoffs. (Y'know, hit the courses in the off season). Sheesh... People are so quick to complain... -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Yankees win home opener Distribution: usa Lines: 7 In article <1993Apr14.175545.3528@alleg.edu>, millits@yankee.org (Sam Millitello) says: i'm telling you, sam, three l's. call up mom and ask. bob vesterman. ";-1;0 "From: Wayne Alan Martin Subject: Re: Dayton Hamfest Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 5 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr19.163122.20454@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Yes, it is the 23, 24 and 25, in but does anyone have directions how to get there after I get to Dayton. Thanks Wayne Martin ";-1;0 "From: jmeritt@mental.mitre.org Subject: God's promise to the righteous Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Ps.92:12: ""The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."" Isa.57:1: ""The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."" ";-1;0 "From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: Top Ten Responses to Ed's Top Ten Lists Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 16 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, mconners@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael R Conners) says: >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) write >s: > >The real question: Should the Feds bail-out Steve Jobs & NeXT (a la Chrysler) >so that important manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost? No. The REAL question: Should the Feds bail-out IBM ( a la Chrysler ) so that important $80K manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost? It could be part of the ""Jobs Bill"" ";-1;0 "From: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops) Subject: NATIONAL DAY Of PRAYER Reply-To: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops) Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 54 The N A T I O N A L D A Y o f P R A Y E R 6 M A Y 1 9 9 3 IMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM; : : : JOIN AMERICA IN PRAYER TO: : : : : * Acknowledge our dependence upon God; : : : : * Give thanks for His many blessings; : : : : * Ask God to guide our leaders and to : : bring healing, reconciliation and whole- : : ness to our nation and all its people. : : : HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM< OUR FOUNDING FATHERS SAID... George Washington: ""I now make it my earnest prayer that God... (A.D. 1783) would be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with charity and humility, and a pacific temper of mind, which were characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion, and without an humble imitation of Whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy nation."" John Adams: ""It must be felt that there is no national security (A.D. 1853) but in the nation's humble, acknowledged dependence upon God and His overruling providence."" Abraham Lincoln: ""It is the duty of nations, as well as of men, (A.D. 1863) to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions...and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord..."" NOTE: You can join with people in your area in observing the NATIONAL DAY Of PRAYER. To learn who is affiliated with the Concerts Of Prayer group in your area, contact: Mr. Barry Garred, Coordinator P.O. Box 6637 Springdale, ARkansas 72766 VOICE: (501) 756-8421 FAX: (501) 756-0131 ";-1;0 "From: lemons@cadsys.enet.dec.com Subject: Xremote into X11R6? Reply-To: lemons@cadsys.enet.dec.com () Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18 Hi! I remember reading (or hallucinating) that NCD's PC-Xremote functionality had been given, by NCD, to MIT for inclusion in X11R6. Is this true? If so, (set mode/cheap) can I just wait for X11R6 to get compressed serial line X server support? Thanks! Terry Lemons Digital Equipment Corporation ";-1;0 "From: anasaz!karl@anasazi.com (Karl Dussik) Subject: Re: Is ""Christian"" a dirty word? Organization: Anasazi Inc Phx Az USA Lines: 73 In article @usceast.cs.scarolina.edu:moss@cs.scarolina.edu (James Moss) writes: >I was brought up christian, but I am not christian any longer. >I also have a bad taste in my mouth over christianity. I (in >my own faith) accept and live my life by many if not most of the >teachings of christ, but I cannot let myself be called a christian, >beacuse to me too many things are done on the name of christianity, >that I can not be associated with. A question for you - can you give me the name of an organization or a philosophy or a political movement, etc., which has never had anything evil done in its name? You're missing a central teaching of Christianity - man is inherently sinful. We are saved through faith by grace. Knowing that, believing that, does not make us without sin. Furthermore, not all who consider themselves ""christians"" are (even those who manage to head their own ""churches""). ""Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."" - Matt. 7:21. >I also have a problem with the inconsistancies in the Bible, and >how it seems to me that too many people have edited the original >documents to fit their own world views, thereby leaving the Bible >an unbelievable source. Again, what historical documents do you trust? Do you think Hannibal crossed the Alps? How do you know? How do you know for sure? What historical documents have stood the scrutiny and the attempts to dis- credit it as well as the Bible has? >I don't have dislike of christians (except for a few who won't >quit witnessing to me, no matter how many times I tell them to stop), >but the christian faith/organized religion will never (as far as i can >see at the moment) get my support. Well, it's really a shame you feel this way. No one can browbeat you into believing, and those who try will probably only succeed in driving you further away. You need to ask yourself some difficult questions: 1) is there an afterlife, and if so, does man require salvation to attain it. If the answer is yes, the next question is 2) how does man attain this salvation - can he do it on his own as the eastern religions and certain modern offshoots like the ""new age movement"" teach or does he require God's help? 3) If the latter, in what form does - indeed, in what form can such help come? Needless to say, this discussion could take a lifetime, and for some people it did comprise their life's writings, so I am hardly in a position to offer the answers here - merely pointers to what to ask. Few, of us manage to have an unshaken faith our entire lives (certainly not me). The spritual life is a difficult journey (if you've never read ""A Pilgrim's Progress,"" I highly recommend this greatest allegory of the english language). >Peace and Love >In God(ess)'s name >James Moss Now I see by your close that one possible source of trouble for you may be a conflict between your politcal beliefs and your religious upbringing. You wrote that ""I (in my own faith) accept and live my life by many if not most of the teachings of christ"". Well, Christ referred to God as ""My Father"", not ""My Mother"", and while the ""maleness"" of God is not the same as the maleness of those of us humans who possess a Y chromosome, it does not honor God to refer to Him as female purely to be trendy, non-discriminatory, or politically correct. This in no way disparages women (nor is it my intent to do so by my use of the male pronoun to refer to both men and women - english just does not have a decent neuter set of pronouns). After all, God chose a woman as his only human partner in bringing Christ into the human population. Well, I'm not about to launch into a detailed discussion of the role of women in Christianity at 1am with only 6 hours of sleep in the last 63, and for that reason I also apologize for any shortcomings in this article. I just happened across yours and felt moved to reply. I hope I may have given you, and anyone else who finds himself in a similar frame of mind, something to contemplate. Karl Dussik ";17;1 "From: Donald Mackie Subject: Re: Seeking advice/experience with back problem Organization: UM Anesthesiology Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:41:32 GMT In article janet.m.cooper, jmcooper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com writes: >The mother of a friend of mine is experiencing a disabling back >pain. After MRIs, CT scans, and doctors visits she has been presented >with 2 alternatives: >(1) live with the pain >or (2) undergo a somewhat >risky operation which may leave her paralyzed. She also has a Since her symptoms are only pain she would do weel to seek the advice of a good, multi-disciplinary pain clinic. It is distressing to think that people are stll being told they have to ""live with the pain"" when many options for pain management (rather than treating MRI findings) are available. A good pain clinic will accept that this lady's problem is her pain and set about finding ways of relieveing that. Don Mackie - his opinions UM Anesthesiology will disavow... ";-1;0 "From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: re: Pantheism and Environmentalism Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 31 KEVXU@cunyvm.bitnet writes: [deleted] > first paragraph and the mention of pantheism. Is pantheism ""perverted"" > and ""dangerous"", or just not one's cup of tea? None of this is clear. I can't speak for Mr. Cavano, but I understood his comment to refer to the idea that unrecognized pantheism is dangerous to Christians. If we unthinkingly adopt pantheistic ideas that are opposed to Christianity, we can pervert our faith. When we clearly recognize pantheism when we encounter it we have the opportunity to embrace what is consistent with Christianity and reject what isn't. We need to be alert, always thinking and questioning. We must examine the underlying assumptions of every book we read, tv program we watch and socio-political movement we participate in. Ideas are important. Philosophies and doctrines are what give form to the events of our lives. They are the basis from which we live our lives of love and service. The command to love God with all one's mind means no fuzzy- headed drifting from idea to idea. > and that consumerism and our rapacious style of living > are so rarely called by their appropriate name: Greed. One Christian who acknowledges this is the Pope. It is a frequent theme in his writings. Indeed, thoughtful Christians from most traditions recognize that consumerism has no place in the lives of Christians. It too is a perversion and dangerous to our faith. Thank you, Jack, for pointing out the parallel. Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org ";-1;0 "From: aron@tikal.ced.berkeley.edu (Aron Bonar) Subject: Re: 3d-Studio V2.01 : Any differences with previous version Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 18 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tikal.ced.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr22.021708.13381@hparc0.aus.hp.com>, doug@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Doug Parsons) writes: |> FOMBARON marc (fombaron@ufrima.imag.fr) wrote: |> : Are there significant differences between V2.01 and V2.00 ? |> : Thank you for helping |> |> |> No. As I recall, the only differences are in the 3ds.set parameters - some |> of the defaults have changed slightly. I'll look when I get home and let |> you know, but there isn't enough to actually warrant upgrading. |> |> douginoz Wrong...the major improvements for 2.01 and 2.01a are in the use of IPAS routines for 3d studio. They have increased in speed anywhere from 30-200% depending on which ones you use. All the Yost group IPAS routines that you can buy separate from the 3d studio package require the use of 2.01 or 2.01a. They are too slow with 2.00. ";-1;0 "From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) Subject: Re: Inner Ear Problems from Too Much Flying? Article-I.D.: rigel.SHAFER.93Apr6095951 Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal. Lines: 33 In-Reply-To: vida@mdavcr.mda.ca's message of 5 Apr 93 23:27:26 GMT On 5 Apr 93 23:27:26 GMT, vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) said: Vida> Can one develop inner-ear problems from too much flying? I hear Vida> that pilots and steward/esses have a limit as to the maximum Vida> number of flying hours -- what are these limits? What are the Vida> main problems associated with too many long-haul (over 4 hours) Vida> trips? The crew rest requirements are to prevent undue fatigue. The cockpit crew (pilot) limits are somewhat more stringent than the cabin crew limits for this reason. Crew rest requirements address amount of time on duty plus rest time. A tired crew is an accident-prone crew. The only limits I know of for inner-ear problems are in military aircraft, which are frequently unpressurized or less reliably pressurized. Not being able to clear the ears renders aircrew members DNIF (duties not involving flying) or grounded until the ears clear. Flying can accentuate problems if ears don't clear. If you don't have big pressure changes, you may not know that you've got a problem. But if you zip up to 5,000 or 6,000 ft (the usual cabin altitude in an airliner) and then back down to sea level, you may discover a problem. Ears don't clear readily because of allergies, colds, infections, and anatomical problems. The last won't change; the first three can. Medication (decongestants or antihistimines, usually) can help. Chewing gum, sucking hard candy (or a bottle for babies), yawning--these will help all four causes. -- Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA ""A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."" Unknown US fighter pilot ";-1;0 "From: daw@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dave Webb) Subject: Mattel Electronics Baseball for sale or trade.. BEST OFFER Article-I.D.: jhunix.1ps2nbINN3m1 Distribution: na Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu If anyone's still interested, I have ONE Mattel electronic game left for sale or trade. It's Baseball (Tan Case) and includes a 9-volt battery and the original manual! I was able to sell Soccer and Basketball 2 for $70.00 and traded the Football game for a Genesis cart... so, I was happy. I will entertain all offers.. cash or Genesis carts... By the way, Baseball is in Excellent condition and works perfectly.. Thanx in advance, Dave ";8;1 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Lines: 22 Bred wrote: And this means that the FBI will want to track the customer lists of better encryption phones, because ""the only reason a person would want one is to evade the police."" They don't have to track customer lists - they merely have to digitally listen to any phone line and eliminate any that don't have the clipper header/signature. (No-one has said how it will be modulated - want a bet it's a non-standard and hence easily recognisable baudrate?) Devices to scan exchanges and detect modems etc already exist. I've seen them advertised in the trade press. Once you eliminate crippled crypto devices and ordinary data modems, what's left is crypto worth looking more closely at. I guess any substitute scheme will have to be v32bis or v.fast to disguise it, though then they just start looking at the data too... Whatever happens though, the effect of this new chip will be to make private crypto stand out like a sore thumb. G ";16;1 "From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty... Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824 Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design Lines: 18 In article <13394@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: |> Apparently that last post was a little hasy, since I |> called around to more places and got quotes for less |> than 600 and 425. Liability only, of course. |> |> Plus, one palced will give me C7C for my car + liab on the bike for |> only 1350 total, which ain't bad at all. |> |> So I won't go with the first place I called, that's |> fer sure. |> Nevertheless, DWI is F*ckin serious. Hope you've got some brains now. Mike Beavington mbeaving@bnr.ca * these opinions are my own and not my companies'. ";7;1 "From: chudel@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Hudel) Subject: 4-plane Xterminal (Do I want one?) Keywords: plane, Xterminal Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 12 I've been offerred an old 4-bits/pixel greyscale Xterminal. Aside from the ""real people have already upgraded to RISC architecture R5 servers"", do I want this Xterminal? I'm concerned about the 4-planes...I've only ever heard of 1 (mono) and 8 (colour) planes -- will I have any concerns with this 4-plane unit? [Specifically related to 4-planes vs 1 or 8] Thanks! -C- PS: all R5 apps run on R4/R3 servers,right? ";-1;0 "From: clay@cs.scarolina.edu (F Rodney Clay) Subject: Slider Position of Vertical Scrollbars Summary: Slider Position of a List Widget's Vertical Scrollbar Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Distribution: comp Lines: 10 I need help positioning the slider of a List widget's horizontal scrollbar. I am displaying the full path of a selected file in a list widget. The horizontal's slider defaults to the left side of the list widget; however, I need the slider on the right side. This is so the user can SEE the file name they selected. I know it's possible, because when files are displayed in a file selection dialog box, the slider is on the right side. Thanking any and all who can help in advance, Rodney F. Clay clay@cs.scarolina.edu ";12;1 "From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 46 Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Ameres) writes: >I believe it goes or will go: >680060 >powerPC >Pentium Not quite. 66MHz Pentium - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 . 66MHz MC98601 - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 . Note that SPECint is more important for most real world applications. >680040 >486 As far as the 486DX2-66 goes - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 . >680030 >386 >680020 >286=680000 >In a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was > slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed > for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie > quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so. > Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system > at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the > speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think > it laps the pentium. Intel chips have traditionally been faster than their Motorola ""equivalents"" although the significance of chip speed in real world application performance is something that is highly debatable. >pro-life pro-women >-- >=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= > Michael Ameres - Internet: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org -- Ravikumar Venkateswar rvenkate@uiuc.edu A pun is a no' blessed form of whit. ";-1;0 "From: toml@miles.ca.boeing.com (Tom Locke) Subject: $22600 Subaru SVX - Good deal? Organization: BoGART Graphics Development Lines: 20 Hi netters, My friend is seriously thinking of getting the Subaru SVX. There is a local dealer here in Seattle selling them for $22600, with Touring package, that's $7400 off from MSRP. He thinks it's a very good deal (and I think so too). Since he knows I have access to the net, he would like to get anyone's opinion about this car, especially in the area of reliability and maintenanability. Please send e-mail to me as my friend doesn't have access to the net. My opinion about this car is, you get a lot for $22600: auto everything (tranny, climate control, windows, locks, folddow rear seet), full wheel drive, 2+2, fast (143 top spped), heavy (3580lb);-) Thanks in advacne! -- Tom Locke Work: (206) 865-6568 Boeing Computer Services E-mail: toml@voodoo.boeing.com P.O. Box 24346 M/S 7K-20 or: uunet!bcstec!voodoo!toml Seattle, WA 98124-0346 ";-1;0 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: There is a good deal more confusion here. You started off with the >assertion that there was some ""objective"" morality, and as you admit >here, you finished up with a recursive definition. Murder is >""objectively"" immoral, but eactly what is murder and what is not itself >requires an appeal to morality. Yes. >Now you have switch targets a little, but only a little. Now you are >asking what is the ""goal""? What do you mean by ""goal?"". Are you >suggesting that there is some ""objective"" ""goal"" out there somewhere, >and we form our morals to achieve it? Well, for example, the goal of ""natural"" morality is the survival and propogation of the species. Another example of a moral system is presented within the Declaration of Independence, which states that we should be guaranteed life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You see, to have a moral system, we must define the purpose of the system. That is, we shall be moral unto what end? >>Murder is certainly a violation of the golden rule. And, I thought I had >>defined murder as an intentional killing of a non-murderer, against his will. >>And you responded to this by asking whether or not the execution of an >>innocent person under our system of capital punishment was a murder or not. >>I fail to see what this has to do with anything. I never claimed that our >>system of morality was an objective one. >I thought that was your very first claim. That there was >some kind of ""objective"" morality, and that an example of that was >that murder is wrong. If you don't want to claim that any more, >that's fine. Well, murder violates the golen rule, which is certainly a pillar of most every moral system. However, I am not assuming that our current system and the manner of its implementation are objectively moral. I think that it is a very good approximation, but we can't be perfect. >And by the way, you don't seem to understand the difference between >""arbitrary"" and ""objective"". If Keith Schneider ""defines"" murder >to be this that and the other, that's arbitrary. Jon Livesey may >still say ""Well, according to my personal system of morality, all >killing of humans against their will is murder, and wrong, and what >the legal definition of murder may be in the USA, Kuweit, Saudi >Arabia, or the PRC may be matters not a whit to me"". Well, ""objective"" would assume a system based on clear and fundamental concepts, while ""arbitary"" implies no clear line of reasoning. keith ";-1;0 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: How does it really work? (was Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption) Lines: 22 From: Marc VanHeyningen The majority of the discussion involving this ""Clipper Chip"" seems to pertain to the encryption of telephone conversations. Does anyone know if that means this chip is designed to work primarily with analog signals? The language sort of suggests this, but it's hard to say. I'd lay a few bucks that its just data-in-data-out in parallel. I suspect to make it a phone you'd need a codec and speech compression. There would be a loss of bandwidth on the speech signal, which I suspect would scupper any of the suggestions I've seen here about putting a different encryption front end on it. There's no hint of any modulation scheme in the docs. I'm sure it's purely a digital chip. The back end will come later, but I'm *positive* it won't be left to the manufacturers - they all have to be the same modulation scheme to make it easy for the NSA to tap them. The only other possibility is that this is intended only for ISDN phones. (Puts a whole new spin on EFFs obsession about ISDN if true, bwahahaha! ;-) ) G ";16;1 "From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) Subject: Re: Players Overpaid? Lines: 40 Organization: Pitzer College Ted Frank's list of underpaid players was this: > >p, Juan Guzman, 500 >p, Mussina, 400 >p, Castillo, 250 >p, Eldred, 175 >p, Rhodes, 155 >p, Militello, 118 >rp, Rojas, 300 >rp, Beck, 250 >rp, Melendez, 235 >rp, Hernandez, 185 >rp, Nied, 150 >c, Rodriguez, 275 >c, Piazza, 126 >1b, Thomas, 900 >1b, Bagwell, 655 >2b, Knoblauch, 500 >2b, Barberie, 190 >3b, Gomez, 312.5 >3b, Palmer, 250 >ss, Listach, 350 >ss, Pena, 170 >lf, Gonzalez, 525 >cf, Lankford, 290 >rf, R.Sanders, 275 >of, Plantier, 245 What do all of these players have in common? They do not qualify for arbitration. They were never free agents. It's called the reserve clause. Look it up. And a year from now we will whine about how several of these guys are way overpaid and getting outrageous raises in arb. Humbug. --King ""Sparky"" Banaian |""No taxes: No new taxes, kbanaian@pitzer.claremont.edu |no old taxes, we are taxed Dept. of Economics, Pitzer College |enough."" -- Rep. Alan Keyes Latest 1993 GDP forecast: 2.4% | (please run, Alan!) ";14;1 "From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: d012s658.ap.mchp.sni.de In article <1993Apr15.125245.12872@abo.fi> MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) writes: |In <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp writes: |> In article <30114@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: | |> #I'm one of those people who does not know what the word objective means |> #when put next to the word morality. I assume its an idiom and cannot |> #be defined by its separate terms. |> # |> #Give it a try. |> |> Objective morality is morality built from objective values. | | ""And these objective values are ... ?"" |Please be specific, and more importantly, motivate. I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. I base this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition), almost all would want to complain. Therefore I take it that to assert or believe that ""Freedom is not very valuable"", when almost everyone can see that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert ""it is not raining"" on a rainy day. I take this to be a candidate for an objective value, and it it is a necessary condition for objective morality that objective values such as this exist. -- Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' odwyer@sse.ie from ""Hens"", by Evelyn Conlon ";-1;0 "From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK Lines: 68 In article <1993Apr03.102200.4802@armory.com> rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes: >In article sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: >>In article drakon@shell.portal.com (Harry Benjamin Gibson) writes: >>>There is something that bothers me about this whole arguement. >>> >>> >>>5) Could someone please CALMLY explain why homosexuality is such a great sin? >>> Without giving the standard ""Just because God sez so"". Almost all of Judeo- >> >> >> >>Thanks for your posting, I enjoyed it. >> >>The reason Homosexuality is a sin is because the Jews were a struggling >>group of people trying hard to survive and differentiate between >>themselves and their oppressors. This led to several things. >> >>1. Worshipping one god. All their foes were polytheistic. >> >>2. All sex was put in to a moral context. All their foes were perverts >> and spilled their seed liberally. >-------------------------------- >It's just as easy to spill seed or spread it thin heterosexualy, why then >the specific prohibition on homosexuals, especially since the answer to >everything back then was stoning to death, doesn't help population growth >much. Also to just say that ""their foes were perverts"" begs the question, The key word is `spilled'. If semen was spilled anywhere where there was a chance of procreation it was OK. If it was spilt on the ground or in to a man it was a big sin, ditto with animals. The jews said sex=pro- creation. Homosexuals didn't breed, there fore they are evil and should be stoned to death. > >>3. All sex was directed towards breeding. The jews were few in number >> and their foes many. To survive everything had to go into multiplication. >-------------------------------------- >Like I said, stoning to death doesn't help population much. It sounds more >like a set of prejudices that already existed and were blown into a religion >to emphasize the differences of Jewish culture and enshrine some pretty Stoning non-breeding population was fine. Only the breeders were considered to be worth much. >> 1% Jesus, 70% Judaism, 29% original (prejudiced) Bullshit. >------------------------------- >I'll buy the bullshit. He was a profound misogynist as well. He might have >been bitterly gay himself. No record of marriage. >-RSW > >>>Ben Gibson >>Xavier > > >-- >* Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * Xavier -- * Xavier Gallagher*************************** Play *************************** * Cheap * Part time Dark Overlord * by ** s0xjg@exnet.co.uk ****** * World Wide UUCP * Of the universe * email *************************** * Feeds & E-mail *************************** =--> Advanced Dungeons & Dragons ";-1;0 "From: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) Subject: Re: Rockies spoon-feed game to Mets Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO Lines: 18 In article <4200416@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes: >Is it just me, or does Bichette look totally lost in the outfield? He's been playing horrible defense. Baylor said after Wednesday's game that he wanted to shake up the lineup a little, because Bichette has been having a rough time defensively and Jerald Clark has not been hitting. He was true to his word; I went to Thursday's game and Gerald Young was in right and Daryl Boston (who has a very hot bat) was in left. Baylor was careful to say though that he didn't necessarily mean for these changes to be permanent but he wanted to give these other two a shot while Clark and Bichette were not playing well. In defense of Bichette, it looks like right field in Mile High Stadium is a bitch to play. Some of the visiting outfielders have been having some problems too (although Bobby Bonilla made a great catch crashing into the wall to rob Daryl Boston of an extra base hit in Thursday's game) --Greg ";-1;0 "From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impac Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 27 Reply-To: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says: >In article sda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes: > The only people who train for years to jump a horse 2 feet >are equistrian posers who wear velvet tails and useless helmets. > Which, as it turns out, is just about everybody that's serious about horses. What a bunch of weenie fashion nerds. And the helmets suck. I'm wearing my Shoei mountain bike helmet - fuck em.>>> >> Or I'm permanently injured. > >Oops. too late. > Nah, I can still walk unaided. -- Go fast. Take chances. Mike S. ";-1;0 "Subject: Netware Server 286A and SFT Netware 286 Level II V2.0a serialisation From: system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10 155, Auckland, New Zealand Lines: 60 Facts: ===== - A Netware Server 286A was roughly moved to a new location and left powered down for three months. - From memory it has an 80 MB hard drive. - Manuals and original disks are for SFT Netware 286 Level II V2.0a - When powered up, the CMOS was wiped. A technician examined it and pronounced the disk drive unusable. My investigations indicate that drive C is a type 27 (1024 cylinders, 9 sides). When CMOS set this way, COMPSURF runs happily, with 13 bad blocks. I use PREPARE to Hotfix the one internal drive. Install will proceed ""successfully"", but when I try to boot the server, it reports that the software is not serialised for this hardware. Internal examination indicates that the keycard is present, and there is one disk drive (or at least one large single unit). Attempts to configure a second drive in CMOS result in drive not ready errors. Questions: ========= The software is Netware 286 Level II and I can see burnt on to the screen SFT Netware 286 Level II V2.0a. However, to configure netware for level II (mirrored or duplexed disks) requires a second disk, yes? So how is the Novell Server 286A normally configured? 1. Can I install SFT Netware 286 Level II V2.0a as Level I, or is this what is causing my serialisation error? 2. Is the Novell Server 286A normally equipped with two hard drives, one of which has failed? 3. Would this mean I can not install the network software because it will not be serialised for this hardware with a failed drive? 4. What else can cause a serialisation error? 5. What happens if the keycard fails? 6. Am I doing something wrong? Can someone knowledgeable offer some comments and guides. Thanks for your time. Apology: ======= I appreciate that I have posted this request somewhat widely. As I'm dealing with somewhat archaic hardware and software I'm hoping that by casting my net further, I'm more likely to capture someone who has met this system before. I believe I can justify the groups to which I am posting. Please feel free to correct me if you feel this is an inappropriate place to post this. -- This posting is definitive. bljeghbe'chugh vaj blHegh. Wayne McDougall :: Keeper of the list of shows better than Star Trek(TM) :: Ask me about the Auckland Festival of Missions, 18-25 April, 1993 I always change my mind when new evidence is available. What method do you use? ";5;1 "From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) Subject: Re: Wire wrap questions (again?) Article-I.D.: shelley.1pr803INNh8e Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article pascal@apd.cpg.sony.co.jp (Pascal Goguey) writes: >In article <7376@blue.cis.pitt.edu> macfitz+@pitt.edu (Mark D Fitzsimmos) writes: > *After a considerable amount of research, review of discussions > *on this group, and mainly fruitless time on breadboards, I have > *decided that the path of least resistance for prototyping my (not > *necessarily someone else's) electronic designs is wire wrapping. > I have no idea about what you want to do, but be careful : >Wire wrapping increases a lot the wiring capacitance. That shouldn't >be a problem for ""slow"" applications (i.e a few MHz), but as for >quicker ones (around 30 / 40 MHz), I doubt that it can work. Fortunately, wire-wrapping is a better wiring technique than most at high frequencies; Cray computers (up to the X-MP, at least) all had wirewrapped backplanes. Wirewrap gets into trouble at much higher frequencies than any TTL can handle. The 'increase' of wiring capacitance is not really relevant (you have to use transmission line techniques, and the capacitance is no problem). > *1) Where can I get a decent wrapping tool? I'd like to spend less > *than $150 for an AC powered unit including bit and sleeve. > Hand powered is the best. There are good AC powered ones, >but rather expensive. A low-cost one doesn't work very well. Hand-powered is a terrible choice (IMHO) unless you are a field maintenance person who will do maybe a dozen connections at a time. Your hands will cramp. Battery-powered wire-wrap guns are available in the $150 range, and so are the little twiddle-stick manual types ($15). For a modest project, of a couple hundred connections, I'd prefer to borrow a professional AC unit... or a pneumatic one. John Whitmore ";-1;0 "From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) Subject: Re: I thought commercial Advertising was Not allowed Distribution: na News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17i by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers Lines: 35 Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com (Larry Margolis) Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: netslip63.watson.ibm.com Organization: The Village Waterbed In matt@galaxy.nsc.com (Matt Freivald x8043) writes: >In article 164871 in talk.politics.misc, margoli@watson.ibm.com >(Larry Margolis) writes: > >>>I would suggest that legal precedent defines a human being (i.e., a person >>>whose rights are protected by the Constitution and the law) as someone with >>>a functioning brain. > >>No, if you want to use legal precedent, you should take a look at the >>Model Penal Code, on which many states base their criminal code: > >My apologies if I was unclear; I was not trying to start a statutory >debate, since there are many (in some cases conflicting) statutes on >the books. I was merely suggesting a paradigm that might make sense >for a pro-choicer IMHO. And I was pointing out that legal precedent defines a human being as referring only to the born, so your suggestion was incorrect. >>>If at some point an unborn child is a human being, the parents clearly >>>have the same responsibilities toward her as any other parents have toward >>>their children. > >>And no parent can be forced to supply bodily resources toward their children, >>even if necessary to save the child's life. > >There is a confusion here between action and inaction: a parent does not have >to run out in front of a bus to save their child's life either, but a parent >IS required to feed his children. There is a confusion here about what ""bodily resources"" constitutes. Blood transfusions and organ donations involve bodily resources; your examples do not. -- Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet) ";-1;0 "From: humesdg1@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Dave Humes) Subject: xwd segmentation fault Keywords: xwd X11 Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory Lines: 22 I was planning to use the following pipe to move some display data to a system that has a color hardcopy unit: xwd | xwud -display hostname:0.0 I had tested it with some simple windows like the OpenWindows file manager, and it worked fine, but when I tried it with a more complex (larger) image, the xwd part blew up with a segmentation fault. I tried it without the pipe, by redirecting xwd's output to a file and then used the file as input to xwud and got the same error from xwud. If I had to guess, it seems like it's running out of memory, but this happened on a SPARC 10 with 64 megs, 128 meg swap space, and only one user with minimal activity. The file was about 3 MB. This verion of xwd/xwud was supplied with the Sun OpenWindows 3.0 distribution which I believe corresponds to X11 R4. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Humes | Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (410) 792-6651 | humesdg1@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";12;1 "From: Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado) Subject: Sixty-two thousand (was Re: How many read sci.space?) Lines: 32 Reply address: mark.prado@permanet.org If anyone knows anyone else who would like to get sci.space, but doesn't have an Internet feed (or has a cryptic Internet feed), I would be willing to feed it to them. I have a nice offline message reader/editor, an automated modem ""mailer"" program which will pick up mail bundles (quickly and easily), and an INSTALL.EXE to set them up painlessly. No charge for the sci.space feed, though you have to dial Washington, D.C. This is NOT a BBS -- it's a store & forward system for mail bundles, with minimum connect times. (I'm used to overseas calls.) (This is not an offer for a free feed for any other particular newsgroups.) Speeds of up to 14400 (v32bis) are supported. VIP's might be offered other free services, such as Internet address and other functionality. I get my feed from UUNET and run a 4-line hub. I've been hubbing for years -- I have an extremely reliable hub. The software I provide runs under MS-DOS (and OS/2 and Windows as a DOS box). Other, compatible software packages exist for the MacIntosh and Unix. Any responses should be private and go to: mark.prado@permanet.org (By the way, to all, my apologies for the public traffic on my glib question. I really didn't expect public replys. But thanks to Bill Higgins for the interesting statistics and the lead.) * Origin: PerManNet FTSC <=> Internet gateway (1:109/349.2) ";2;1 "From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane) Subject: Re: PUBLIC HEARINGS on Ballot Access, Vote Fraud and Other Issues Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 11 Hmmm...intersting (and long) message, but TWICE? Well, I don't care for libertarianism, but that is a philisophical disagreement, not a tactical one. Reform of existing laws would be an awfully good idea. You wouldn't believe some of the outrageous things the guardians of our two party system do to shut out dissent. ============================================================================ David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) When the words fold open, it means the death of doors; even casement windows sense the danger. (Amon Liner) ";-1;0 "From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr19.130922.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article <1993Apr19.144427.17399@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: > Gene Wright (gene@theporch.raider.net) wrote: > : Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation > : who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. > : Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin > : to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! > > I'm an advocate of this idea for funding Space Station work, and I > throw around the $1 billion figure for that ""reward."" I suggest that > you increase the Lunar reward to about $3 billion. > > This would encourage private industry to invest in space, which > should be one of NASA's primary goals. > > -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office > kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 > > ""Better. Faster. Cheaper."" -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator Also would maybe get the Russians Involved. After all they do have the resources to do it in part.. But they need the capital and the goal.. I wonder if renting the russians resources would be a disqualification? == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked ";-1;0 "From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon Lines: 19 [] ""These LPT1, COM1, disk controller are call devices. There are devices that requires exclusive interrupt ownership, eg. disk controller (I6) and keyboard (I1). There are also devices that does not require exclusive ownership, ie. it will share an interrupt with another device, eg. LPT1"" No. In a standard ISA bus, the one that almost all non-laptop PCs use, two separate interface cards cannot share an interrupt. This is due to a screwup in the bus design. For example, if your Soundblaster wants to drive interrupt number 7, then it must hold a certain bus wire to 0 or 1 at all times, depending on whether or not it wants an interrupt. This precludes letting another card assert interrupt number 7. When two or more devices in an ISA bus PC share an interrupt, it's because they're implemented by a single card. -=- Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com) ";-1;0 "From: cow@eng.umd.edu (Thomas L. Fortin) Subject: 1992 honda accord Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: pepsi.eng.umd.edu 1992 HONDA ACCORD FOR SALE 35,000 MILES ALL HIGHWAY MILES EXCELLENT CONDITION WHITE EX MODEL ""LOADED"" $15,000 OR BEST OFFER call tom @ (201) 653-0638 h (201) 795-5636 w ";-1;0 "From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Subject: MSF Program where? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Organization: Columbia University Distribution: usa Lines: 10 Could someone mail me the archive location of the MSF Program (for an IBM, right?)? Thanks, ------- ""This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday."" - Temple of the Dog Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.| '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- | NYC, NY. | ";7;1 "From: rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) Subject: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 10 Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish to know more. Thanks. ";-1;0 "From: NWZ96H@cheltenham-he.ac.uk (NWZ96H) Subject: Hatley & Pirbhai help... Lines: 12 Hello, Has anyone used the Requirements Analsys methodology Hatley & Pirbhai ? I am a British final year real-time degree student, and as a project I am covering this methodology. I would be very grateful to anyone who could give me their views on this method. Please mail me if you feel you can help, and I will send you my questions. Thanks in advance, David Phelps (nwz96h@chelt.ac.uk) ";-1;0 "From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) Subject: Re: Deriving Pleasure from Death Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 26 Peter Garfiel Freeman writes: >>them. (By the way, I do not applaud the killing of _any_ human being, >>including prisoners sentenced to death by our illustrious justice department) >> >>Peace. >>-marc >Boy, you really are a stupid person. Our justice department does >not sentence people to death. That's up to state courts. Again, >get a brain. Peter, I think you are ridiculous here. Stupidity is not a measure of how well someone knows our judicial system. I guess Marc meant that he is against death penalty. But no matter what he meant, your statement not justified. Regards, Dorin ";-1;0 "From: cbray@uafhp..uark.edu (Chris Bray) Subject: Cassettes for Sale!!! (Update) Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu Summary: Tapes for sale... Keywords: tapes, sale, sell Hi there again... I still have a few tapes left... As before they are $2.50 each (postage paid). Multiple orders appreciated, but not necessary... Package deals welcome... Thanks... Chris Bray Lewis, Huey|Sports Hooters|Nervous Night Poison|Look What the Cat Dragged In Hall & Oates|Big Bam Boom Ratt|Out of the Cellar Quiet Riot|Condition Critical Seger, Bob|Like a Rock Outfield|Play Deep Plant, Robert|Shaken n' Stirred Journey|Raised on Radio Duran Duran|Duran Duran Duran Duran|Arena Duran Duran|Rio ";-1;0 "From: corleyg@ul.ie Subject: Microstrip help wanted Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland Lines: 8 I need information on microstrip circuit design especially filter design for the 1-3GHz range. Can you recommend any good books, journals, or microstrip circuit design software. . all help appreciated Gerry Corley, ECE Department, Univesity of Limerick, Ireland. ";-1;0 "From: SRUHL@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Stefan Ruhl) Subject: crappy Honda CX650 Lines: 24 Organization: University of Waterloo Hi, I just have a small question about my bike. Being a fairly experienced BMW and MZ-Mechanic, I just don't know what to think about my Honda. She was using too much oil for the last 5000 km (on my trip to Daytona bike week this spring), and all of a sudden, she trailed smoke like hell and was running only on one cylinder. I towed the bike home and took it apart, but everything looks in perfect working order. No cracks in the heads or pistons, the cylinder walls look very clean, and the wear of pistons and cylinders is not measurable. All still within factory specs. The only thing I could find, however, was a slightly bigger ring gap on the right cylinder (the one with the problem), but it is still way below the wear-limit given in the Clymer-manual for this bike. Any syggestions??? What else could cause my problem??? Do I have to hone the cylinder walls (make them a little rougher in a criss-cross-pattern) in order to get better breaking in of my new rings??? Won't that increase the wear of my pistons?? Please send comments to sruhl@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca Thanks in advance. Stef. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Ruhl german exchange student. Don't poke into my privacy ! ";7;1 "From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: Possible Canadian WC Team? Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > This is an all-point team for the Canadian NHLers who are not playoff bound... CENTERS [...] > Geoff Sanderson, Hartford [...] Sanderson will be on Team Canada, but he'd be out of position as a center. Although he was drafted as a center and played there as a rookie, Sanderson scored 46 goals this season as a left wing. -SG ";-1;0 "From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent ""Spuzy"" Moss) Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe?? Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.200.5 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Lines: 4 The rubber drain plugs under my carpet in my mazda glc leaked like the ones are doing under your spare in the Probe. I tooke them out and put some silicone sealant on them and put them back in. ";10;1 "From: chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung) Subject: Technical books for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Lines: 39 Hello. I have the following for sale. Most of the books are in perfect condition. If interested please e-mail to chungy2@rpi.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Through The Telescope (hard cover) $14.00 Surface Physics (soft cover) $13.00 The Physics of Structurally Disordered Matter: An Introduction (soft cover) $55.00 Subatomic Physics (hard cover) $57.00 A First General Relativity (hard cover) $20.00 Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics (soft cover) $8.00 Advances in Atomic and Molecular Physics. Vol 1. (hard cover) $30.00 Advances in Atomic and Molecular Physics. Vol 3. (hard cover) $30.00 Molecular Beams (hard cover) $15.00 Molecular Beams and Reaction Kinetics. (hard cover) $20.00 Perturbation Methods in Applied Mathematics. (hard cover) $40.00 Elementary Differential Equations and Boundary Value Problems. (hard cover) $27.00 Vector Mechanics for Engineers: Statics and Dynamics. (hard cover) $30.00 Free-Electron Lasers. (hard cover) $20.00 Physical Mechanics. (hard cover) $15.00 ";-1;0 "From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 13 I am most embarassed that my irrate, intemperate post is still circulating. I have been chided by experts for my behavior. I now agree with all of them, although some were no more restrained in their speech than I was 8) I have apologized to Robin Hanson. Lew -- Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com ""Perspective is worth 80 IQ points."" Niels Bohr (or somebody like that). ";-1;0 "From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu Organization: The Group W Bench Lines: 22 In <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> 34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET writes: >I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, >but here goes: Fret not, you made it. >I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see >it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was >still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left >alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. Not while we still have our guns. Hey, gang, it's not about duck hunting, or about dark alleys, it's about black-clad, helmeted and booted troops storming houses and violating civil rights under color of law. Are YOU ready to defend YOUR Constitution? -- Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) ";-1;0 "From: mbell@techbook.techbook.com (Max Bell) Subject: WANTED: Info on Dedicated X Server Kernel for Sun3/100 Series Organization: TECHbooks Public Access Lines: 9 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: techbook.techbook.com Summary: If you know where to find it, please send email. Keywords: sun kernel x server If anyone has any information about the existence or location of a dedicated X server kernel for the Sun3, please send email. I am trying to put some neglected Sun3s to good use but they don't have enough memory for SunOS 4.1.1. Thanks in advance for any help. -- /\ /\/ Max Bell | I used to think I'd emmigrate to escape / \/ /\ mbell@techbook.com | the tyrants, but now I think I'll stay ~~~~~~~~~ mbell@cie.uoregon.edu | and make them leave instead. ";-1;0 "From: daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 33 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes: >Better still, reverse this sequence, then hit the bugger under accelleration >(to stabilise yourself). I hate things that attack me. >If the dog thinks you have run away, it has established dominance over >these funny noisy sheep things, and will attack every bike that comes >along for the fun of it. If you can hurt the bugger, it learns that it >is below bikes in the peck order, and you may have saved the life of a >future biker, whose evasive action to avoid the dog might otherwise put >him under a truck. Never avoid a dog for the dog's sake, only you're own. I hate to admit this but there does seem to be some sort of twisted logic to this approach. It's the bikers against the world and the dogs are just another worthless adversary. So remember to wear at least calf height leather boots, ( in case the dog gets lucky and sinks his teeth into your attacking foot) and go for the gusto, If that dog doesn't retreat from the street with his tail between his legs next time you see it then you really haven't done your bit for all your fellow bikers. >This also applies in cages. Sorry I can't go this far, A dog against and armored cage just doesn't seem like a fair fight. >If the dog is out of control, it is a menace to all road users, and no >compunction should be felt if ensuring your safety means the destruction of >it's. After all, it is forcing the game, not you. after all it is a dog eat dog world Dave ";-1;0 "From: rtfuhge@immd8.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Robert Fuhge) Subject: Re: Booting from B drive Organization: University of Erlangen, csd. AI NNTP-Posting-Host: faui8s3.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 36 Hi! I think VGA-Copy can do what you need. If you create a new floppy for your a: drive (that is the 5 1/4""), turn on the ""modify"" switch of vga-copy. When you boot using this diskette, a message appears: This is no system disk, you can 1) replace disk with another, 2) boot from Harddisk or 3) switch drives and reboot (that is, a: becomes b:, b: becomes a:) Type your choice: When you select the third item, you can boot from b: which is now called a: . Seems to work very good, for example booting drdos6 from the installation disks in 3.5"" format was no problem for a friend of mine (I have only a 3.5"" a: drive) Hope that helps Robert P.S.: VGA-Copy is shareware, so it's easy to get. Newest Version seems to be 5.0 . -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Fuhge, Haagstrasse 17, 8520 Erlangen, Tel. privat: 09131/204103 | | Email: rtfuhge@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (demnaechst 91054 Erlangen) | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ""Wars are not for to see who is right, but who is left ... "" | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ --- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Fuhge, Haagstrasse 17, 8520 Erlangen, Tel. privat: 09131/204103 | | Email: rtfuhge@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (demnaechst 91054 Erlangen) | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ""Wars are not for to see who is right, but who is left ... "" | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";5;1 "From: absgh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (G Hunt) Subject: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace Organization: School of Architecture, University of Bath, UK Lines: 19 This may be a simple question but: We have a number of PC's which we use to link to a mainframe using Novell LAN WorkPlace for DOS (via WIndows 3.1). Now, to make life easier for us we are thinking of using Windows for Workgroups to allow file sharing across our PC network. Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace for DOS at the same time. ie Can I access a file on another PC while being logged on to the mainframe at the same time, simultaneously. Any help well appreciated. Gary Hunt. Centre for Advanced Studies in Architecture University of Bath absgh@gdr.bath.ac.uk ";-1;0 "From: kemper@informatik.uni-kl.de (Michael Kemper [RHRK]) Subject: Hard disk error Organization: University of Kaiserslautern Lines: 16 Hi there, when I run Disk First Aid on my external hard drive (Quantum LPS 240) I get the followinf message: Error -535: Missing thread record (TarID=31015; TarBlock 416) Disk First Aid is not able to fix this problem, Norton Utils doesn't find it at all. When I use Norton Disk editor to look at TarBlock 416 I can read something like ""DirReservedArea"" My question: How can I get rid of this error (without reformatting of course) -- \_ \_ \_ \_ | Michael Kemper \__ \__ \_ \_ | University of Kaiserslautern, Germany \_\_ \_\_ \_\_ | email: kemper@rhrk.uni-kl.de \_ \_ \_ \_ \__ | \_ \_\_ \_ \_ \_ | Although they gave me that email address, \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ | this is not the opinion of rhrk, uni-kl or de! ";-1;0 "From: rdell@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (richard.b.dell) Subject: Re: Fujitsu 8"" HDD Keywords: M2321K, M2322K, Fujitsu, Microdisk (-: Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr17.204351.2256@aber.ac.uk> cjp1@aber.ac.uk (Christopher John Powell) writes: [deletions] >It appears to use two balanced-line connections, but what each connection >corresponds to I know not. One connection is a 30-way IDC, the other a >60-way IDC. Sounds like it is an SMD interface to me, not being at work now to actually count pins. there are two varients, SMD and SMDC (I think), only minor differences between them. Widely used prior to the advent of SCSI for large drives (or all drives) on minis (and mainframes(?) no experience on those). Richard Dell ";-1;0 "From: afung@athena.mit.edu (Archon Fung) Subject: wrong RAM in Duo? Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: thobbes.mit.edu A few posts back, somebody mentioned that the Duo might crash if it has the wrong kind (non-self refreshing) of RAM in it. My Duo crashes sometimes after sleep, and I am wondering if there is any software which will tell me whether or not I have the right kind of RAM installed. I had thought that the problem was the battery connection. Thanks in Advance, Archon Fung ";0;1 "From: v103r4g8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (We will NOT cave in....GODS OF WAR, Def Leppard) Subject: HELP HELP HELP Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 11 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu Does anyone have the NHL STANDINGS for March 28th? I need them IMMEDIATELY for a project. Please post or email. THANKS. ************************************************************************* Andy Hillery --- School Of Architecture State University of New York at Buffalo ************************************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: keiths@spider.co.uk (Keith Smith) Subject: win/NT file systems Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK. Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: trapdoor.spider.co.uk OK will some one out there tell me why / how DOS 5 can read (I havn't tried writing in case it breaks something) the Win/NT NTFS file system. I thought NTFS was supposed to be better than the FAT system keith ";-1;0 "From: adcock@bnr.ca (Doug Adcock) Subject: Perfect MAG MX15F Monitors? Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP Lines: 26 I've been intently following the MAG thread while waiting for mine to arrive in the mail. There seems to be a lot of complaints about minor alignment problems with the MX15F. One article contained a comment that the owner called the factory and was told that his screen rotation was within spec (1/4""). Well, my monitor arrived last night and, sure enough, it has a very noticable barrel distortion. It's not dramatic, but it is there and it is especially noticable when the image doesn't fill the entire screen. The fact that it is worse on the right side doesn't help matters. What I'm trying to find out is if these minor imperfections are the norm or are most of their monitors perfect? I don't want to send it back and get one with the same or an even worse problem. Does the factory consider this kind of thing normal and ship their monitors with less than perfect alignment? Are other netters just living with these kind of imperfections? -- ............................................................... : Comments and opinions are mine - not BNR's : : Doug Adcock adcock@bnr.ca : : Bell-Northern Research Research Triangle Park, NC : ............................................................... ";-1;0 "From: hwstock@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov (stockman harlan w) Subject: pentium clock counts Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 7 Does anyone have a list of the clock counts for pentium instructions -- or know if the INTEGER mul is down to 1 tick? Thanks, HW Stockman, hwstock@sandia.llnl.gov ";-1;0 "From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 18 Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, cdcolvin@rahul.net (Christopher D. Colvin) says: >I worked at AMORC when I was in HS. OK: So you were a naive teen. >He [HS Lewis] dates back to the 20's. Wrong: 1915 and if you do your homework, 1909. But he was born LAST century (1883). > >Right now AMORC is embroiled in some internal political turmoil. No it isn't. ";-1;0 "From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: That silly outdated Bill (was Re: Koresh and Miranda) Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 9 In article <1993Apr14.165633.2170@cbnews.cb.att.com>, lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes: >As for the MOVE incident, wasn't the mayor of Philadelphia at the time Black ? For the first Move incident (no bomb, several members killed in gunfire, circa 1978) the mayor was the very white Frank Rizzo. For the second (bomb included) the mayor was Wilson Goode, who is indeed black. -jim halat ";-1;0 "From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: Clipper chip and key exchange methods Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 13 I was wanting to ask the same question Dan Bernstein asked--how does the Clipper chip exchange keys? If the public key is only 80 or 160 bits long, does anyone know of any public-key schemes that are secure with that key size? (Diffie-Hellman or maybe El Gamal, with p set to a constant value?) Presumably, the real scheme is something like: 1. Exchange/verify public keys. 2. Send encrypted (randomly-generated) session key. 3. Encrypt / Decrypt voice trafic with some sort of fast stream cipher. Can anyone elaborate on this, or show me what I'm missing here? --John Kelsey, c445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu ";-1;0 "From: mrh@iastate.edu (Michael R Hartman) Subject: Re: Car Stereo Stolen? Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 36 In article xray@is.rice.edu (Kenneth Dwayne Ray) writes: >> I had the front panel of my car stereo stolen this weekend. > >> I need to buy the front panel of a Sony XR-U770 car stereo. >> >I was my understanding that the purpose of those removeable-front-panels >were to make the radio useless, and thus discourage theft (that is if the >cover were removed by the owner and taken along whenever the car was left.) > >If those covers were sold for anything remarkably less than the radio >originally costs, or even sold at all, >then the above discouragement wouldn't be so great. > >I personally would be unhappy, if I bought a radio like that, thinking that >removing the cover greatly depreciated the radio's value, and the covers were >sold by the company (or other legitimate source) cheaply. >-- The front covers should be available from Sony. Check with a local car stereo shop. You will probably (definitely) have to provide the units serial number and hopefully you had registered the warranty card. I don't know the cost, but replacements have to be available to people who damage the face cover, so it stands to reason that it can be replaced. As to deterring theft: When I worked for a stereo shop, we referred the customer to a Sony 800 number. We would not sell the face, nor did we have them available. Most people who came in asking for the face cover (or a pullout sleave for that matter) would look very disheartened to find that they acquired a deck they couldn't use. If theft occurs with these decks, notify Sony. Serial numbers do catch theives. Just a thought, Michael ";-1;0 "From: ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) Subject: ?? DOS font size in windows?? Organization: NC State University Lines: 13 I have an 8514/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode (normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode the DOS window font is too small for my 14"" monitor. Is there a way to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to excuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to MS Windows world. Thanks. (Please include this message for reference) ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== (919)515-8063 (W) ";-1;0 "From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 30 Robert Singleton (bobs@thnext.mit.edu) wrote: : > Sure it isn't mutually exclusive, but it lends weight to (i.e. increases : > notional running estimates of the posterior probability of) the : > atheist's pitch in the partition, and thus necessarily reduces the same : > quantity in the theist's pitch. This is because the `divine component' : > falls prey to Ockham's Razor, the phenomenon being satisfactorily : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : > explained without it, and there being no independent evidence of any : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : > such component. More detail in the next post. : > Occam's Razor is not a law of nature, it is way of analyzing an argument, even so, it interesting how often it's cited here and to what end. It seems odd that religion is simultaneously condemned as being primitive, simple-minded and unscientific, anti-intellectual and childish, and yet again condemned as being too complex (Occam's razor), the scientific explanation of things being much more straightforeward and, apparently, simpler. Which is it to be - which is the ""non-essential"", and how do you know? Considering that even scientists don't fully comprehend science due to its complexity and diversity. Maybe William of Occam has performed a lobotomy, kept the frontal lobe and thrown everything else away ... This is all very confusing, I'm sure one of you will straighten me out tough. Bill ";-1;0 "From: darndt@nic.gac.edu (David Arndt) Subject: Johnny Hart's (B.C. comic strip) mailing address? Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College Lines: 17 Subject pretty much says it all - I'm looking for Johnny Hart's (creator of the B.C. comic stip) mailing address. For those of you who haven't seen them, take a look at his strips for Good Friday and Easter Sunday. Remarkable witness! If anyone can help me get in touch with him, I'd really appreciate it! I've contacted the paper that carries his strip and -- they'll get back to me with it! Thanks for your help, Dave Arndt St. Peter's Evangelical Lutheran Church St. Peter, MN 56082 darndt@nic.gac.edu ";-1;0 "From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) Subject: Re: WARNING! Don't break Powerbook screen Article-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.210853.26502 Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa. USA Lines: 20 In article peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) writes: > >Surprised? Shouldn't be. Protective tarriffs almost always end up >hurting the U.S. in the long run. Same with subsidies. they way >to build a strong economy isn't to wall it off from the tough outside >world, but rather to compete in the global market place (and don't >come crying when the world doesn't always want to play by our house >rules). Tell that to the Japanese, their local market is neatly protected by the Japanese government. Its one very tough nut to crack. In fact the only current way to break into it, is to do it with a Japanese company as a partner in the venture. Gary -- ----- Gary Snow uunet!clark!gsnow or gsnow@clark.edu ";-1;0 "From: James Leo Belliveau Subject: First Bike?? Organization: Freshman, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu Anyone, I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to put it bluntly, it sucks. I really would like some advice on what would be a good starter bike for me. I do know one thing however, I need to make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is out of the question. I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR 600 F2, GSX-R 750). I know that this may sound kind of crazy considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a fast learner, and in love. Please give me any advice that you think would help me in my search, including places to look or even specific bikes that you want to sell me. Thanks :-) Jamie Belliveau (jbc9@andrew.cmu.edu) ";-1;0 "From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Cobra Locks Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 55 In article <1r1b3rINNale@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> doc@webrider.central.sun.com writes: >I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing >a motorcycle. I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock >(described below). Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock >in the Chicago area? It is available through some dealerships, who in turn have to back order it from the manufacturer directly. Each one is made to order, at least if you get a nonstandard length (standard is 5', I believe). >Any other feedback from someone who has used this? See below >In article 1r1534INNraj@shelley.u.washington.edu, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes: >> >> Incidentally, the best lock I've found for bikes is the Cobra Lock. >> It's a cable which is shrouded by an articulated, hardened steel sleeve. >> The lock itself is cylindrical and the locking pawl engages the joints >> at the articulation points so the chain can be adjusted (like handcuffs). >> You can't get any leverage on the lock to break it open and the cylinder >> is well-protected. I wouldn't want to cut one of these without a torch >> and/or a vice and heavy duty cutting wheel. I have a 6' long CobraLinks lock that I used to use for my Harley (she doesn't get out much anymore, so I don't use the lock that often anymore). It is made of 3/4"" articulated steel shells covering seven strands of steel cable. It is probably enough to stop all the joyriders, but, unfortunately, professionals can open it rather easily: 1) Freeze a link. 2) Break frozen link with your favorite method (hammers work well). 3) Snip through the steel cables (which, I have on authority, are frightfully thin) with a set of boltcutters. For the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is anywhere from 1/2"" to 7/8"" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type locking mechanism. I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8"" model). All bets are off if the thief has a die grinder with a cutoff wheel. Even the most durable locks tested yield to this tool in less than one minute. FYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. ";-1;0 "From: dnh@mfltd.co.uk (Des Herriott) Subject: XDM/xsession woes Keywords: xdm, xterm Lines: 22 Reply-To: dnh@mfltd.co.uk Organization: Micro Focus Ltd. X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-3 I've just managed to get xdm running from an NCR 3000 (an SVR4 486 box running XFree86 1.2) to my NCD XDisplay. It's pretty much working, but I'm encountering a weird error. I'm attempting to start an xterm from my .xsession file, but nothing happens. Redirecting stderr to a file using 'exec 2>$HOME/.xerrors' in .xsession reveals the error message: ""xterm: Error 14, errno 1: Not owner"" Now, if I start xterm from the window manager, or from the command line, it works fine. And starting other clients, like the window manager (mwm), and a clock, from my .xsession also works. Anyone encountered this? Suggestions? aTdHvAaNnKcSe -- Des Herriott, / As a wise man once said, Micro Focus, Newbury. / +44 (0635) 565354 / ""It takes a lot of brains to be smart, dnh@mfltd.co.uk / but it takes some neck to be a giraffe."" ";-1;0 "From: gowen@jade.tufts.edu (G. Lee Owen) Subject: Re: WANTED: Info on Dedicated X Server Kernel for Sun3/100 Series In-Reply-To: mbell@techbook.techbook.com's message of 20 Apr 1993 22:57:39 -0700 Lines: 30 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA Distribution: na > If anyone has any information about the existence or location of a > dedicated X server kernel for the Sun3, please send email. I am > trying to put some neglected Sun3s to good use but they don't have > enough memory for SunOS 4.1.1. Thanks in advance for any help. There is a free program called 'xkernel' which does just that. It is by Seth Robertson (seth@ctr.columbia.edu). It takes a sun 3 and boots a limited kernel which allows you to run X. We converted 4 machines over this semester and the speedup is enormously appreciable -- I find them faster than an NCD 15inch black&white XTerminal that we are playing with, and a bigger screen to boot! As a matter of fact, the department just bought some old sun3s at an auction to convert! } Xkernel is available for anonymous ftp from ftp.ctr.columbia.edu } [128.59.64.40] in /Xkernel/Xkernel.shar (/Xkernel is a symlink to the } latest version of Xkernel) Note that the compiled version which is available is for the sun 3/50, but compiling to work for a sun 3/1xx should be quite easy. I am not connected with xkernel except as a satisfied installer and user 8). I may be able to answer questions; feel free to email me. Greg Owen { gowen@forte.cs.tufts.edu, gowen@jade.tufts.edu } Systems Programmer and TA, Tufts University Computer Science Dept. 230- All transfers are disclaimed by my host name and boss's address. 230- If you don't like this policy, disconnect now! ";12;1 "From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615 Lines: 32 alamut@netcom.com (Max Delysid (y!)) writes: > In article <1qppef$i5b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony > > > > Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have > >probably spent more time than you doing the same. > > > > None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the > >case. > > Can we assume from this statement that you are >unequivocally< saying that > AMORC is not a spin off of OTO? .. and that in fact, OTO may well be a spin > off of AMORC?? > i would be quite interested in hearing what evidence you have to support this > claim. > > Well, there is a fair amount of evidence floating around that indicates that OTO has been around since at least the late 1800s, long before Crowley ever heard of it, how long has AMORC been around? (yes, I know that they claim to have existed as an organization clear into prehistory, but I doubt that they have any organizational paperwork as a non-profit that can be carbon-dated to 20,000 BC) A.Lizard ------------------------------------------------------------------- A.Lizard Internet Addresses: alizard%tweekco%boo@PacBell.COM (preferred) PacBell.COM!boo!tweekco!alizard (bang path for above) alizard@gentoo.com (backup) PGP2.2 public key available on request ";-1;0 "From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) Subject: Re: Wohlers to minors Organization: Biochemistry Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu In article <91387@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler) writes: >In <1993Apr2.224251.21212@rigel.econ.uga.edu> shannonr@moe.coe.uga.edu (Shannon Reeves Cntr. for Ed. Tech) writes: >At times it ""seems"" as if no others in the bullpen are used by Cox for middle >relief. Marvin only pitched 7 innings this spring. He is supposed to be >over his surgery, and I am wondering if Cox is still trying to decide who to >use as middle relief and thinks that Marvin might be his better choice >early in the season. I would immediately give McMchael many chances to >pitch after spring and then use Bedrock and Freeman after that. I am wondering >how he intends to use Howell. (Whatever happened to Senior Smoke?) ------------- Do you mean Juan Berenguer? He was traded for Mark Davis in the middle of last season. Exchanged one stiff for another, as Berenguer hadn't come back from his injury in 91. I think he's retired now. Anyhow, as middle relief, Marvin ain't that bad. He at least can pitch a couple of innings or do mop-up work. I don't know much about McMichael (was he the Mexican League guy?), but everybody else in the pen is a 1 inning man, except maybe Mercker. ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu ""I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"" Grafitti, Paris, 1968 TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.) -------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: Dents on car. Lines: 5 All you have to do is turn it in to the police like you would an accident, get a report and send it in to your insurance company and they will contact the other guys insurance company and they will have to pay just as they would in an accident they caused. Thus no need to go to court. A friend of mine did this and he got the money so it does work. ";-1;0 "From: edwind@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tom NGUYEN) Subject: How to resolve different font formats ...? Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: lims01.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Hi All! I tried to run SoftPC, a PC emulation software program, installed on a Silicon Graphics workstation from a Human Design System (HDS) X terminal, and everything went fine, except the fonts could NOT be converted from one type of format to the other - HDS uses different font format from SGI worksation. So, I have the following questions: 1. How do you resolve different font formats from different machines? 2. Is there a program to convert one type of font format to another? If you have similar problems/experiences and have found a solution, please let me know. Your help will be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance for your help and information. Tom Nguen edwind@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov ";-1;0 "From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Lines: 28 >>Ron Miller wrote: >>When you ask the question of the ""authorities"" or sponsors of buyback >>programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer >>""no, it's total amnesty"". > (good point about registration schemes being used only for harassment deleted) > I would also like to point out that this is receiving stolen property and is >no different than a pawn shop owner doing the same thing. > > > Myron Petro > NRA, USPSA > DVC y'all > ************************************************************************** > The opinions included in this post are my sole responsibility. > And are protected by the First Amendment and guarnteed by the > Second Amendment. If amnesty was their concern, they should pay in cash rather than moneyorder and they should check to see if the gun turned in was stolen or not. This way if a gun turns out to be stolen, then even if they wanted to prosecute, they don't know who to prosecute. Since the only concern of these(HCI and the like) people seems to be the total eradication of guns( legal or illegal ), why should they bother to check for stolen property. If they knew who the rightful owner is, then they would have to return the gun and hence contrary to their intent to ban all guns. ";-1;0 "From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: >In a previous article, ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) says: >> >>ON the subject of how many competing RC orders there are, let me point out the >>Golden Dawn is only the *outer* order of that tradition. The inner order is >>the Roseae Rubeae et Aurae Crucis. >> > Just wondering, do you mean the ""Lectorium Rosicrucianum""? >Warning: There is no point in arguing who's ""legit"" and who's not. *WHICH* >Golden Dawn are you talking about? No, I don't mean the LR, whatever that is. As for which GD, I'm using _The Complete Golden Dawn System of Magic_ as my source, so (unless Regardie is lying) I'm pulling the name out the the original order's rituals. The multiple modern groups are part of why I through in the comment about all the ""spin-offs"". > Just for the sake of argument, (reflecting NO affiliation) >I am going to say that the TRUE Rosicrucian Order is the Fraternitas >Rosae Crucis in Quakertown, Penn., As a member of the Religious Society of Friends (my membership is in the Urbana-Champaign (IL) Friends Meeting) I find that amusingly ironic. :) > Any takers? :-) Not me--I don't want to belong to *anything* which runs around claiming to be the TRUE whatever. I find that disgusting. :( Enjoy the journey! --Br'anArthur Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-) ****************************************************************************** Closed minds don't want to know. --JJObermark ";-1;0 "From: erik@cheshire.oxy.edu (Erik Adams) Subject: HELP!! My Macintosh ""luggable"" has lines on its screen! Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA. Distribution: comp Lines: 20 Okay, I don't use it very much, but I would like for it to keep working correctly, at least as long as Apple continues to make System software that will run on it, if slowly :-) Here is the problem: When the screen is tilted too far back, vertical lines appear on the screen. They are every 10 pixels or so, and seem to be affected somewhat by opening windows and pulling down menus. It looks to a semi-technical person like there is a loose connection between the screen and the rest of the computer. I am open to suggestions that do not involve buying a new computer, or taking this one to the shop. I would also like to not have to buy one of Larry Pina's books. I like Larry, but I'm not sure I feel strongly enough about the computer to buy a service manual for it. On a related note: what does the monitor connector connect to? Erik ";-1;0 "From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: DSI/USCRPAC Lines: 23 grady@netcom.com suggests using a common but restricted-distribution private key to allow public key system encrypted postings. In theory that will work fine as long as the privae key remains secure. In practice it would be a good idea to check to see if that would be a violation of some net rule, practice, custom, etc. I don't say it would be, just that it would be a good idea to check. This is not like rot13 where everybody can have the key trivially. It would also be a good idea to check to see if such posts would be forwarded by the sites needed to make the chain work. Of course there'd be no problem with a discussion group travelling over facilities entirely under the control of the members. Probably there would also be no problem with a mailing list approach. It might even be fun for some. -- David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information, errors and omissions excepted. ";-1;0 "From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: Re: Giants' GM Quinn *is* a genius! Article-I.D.: pegasus.steph.734129736 Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 17 In <18979@autodesk.COM> trs@Autodesk.COM (Tom Schroeder) writes: >nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: >> During the same time span, the Braves developed John Smoltz, Tom Glavine, >> Steve Avery, David Justice, Ron Gant, and Jeff Blauser, among others. >> > Avery, I believe, came from the Phillies. Jeff Blauser?!? Avery was the #2 overall pick by the Braves, behind Mark Lewis (I think) in 1988. John Smoltz came over to the Braves from the Tigers, but was developed by the Braves. Jeff Blauser isn't a bad player. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball ";-1;0 "From: tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) Subject: Newsgroup Split Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: po.engin.umich.edu Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? Just curious. Daemon ";-1;0 "From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu >If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my face that there is no >evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee their safety. >For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as far as >I am concerned. This doesn't sound like Candida Albicans to me. John Badanes, DC, CA romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu ";-1;0 "From: ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) Subject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves Organization: My own node in Groningen, NL. Lines: 34 renner@adobe.com (John Renner) writes: > In article <19930420.090030.915@almaden.ibm.com> capelli@vnet.IBM.COM (Ron Ca > >In Ferdinand Oeinck writes: > >>I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double > >>point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. > > > >See: > > Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose, > > ""A Geometric Characterization of Parametric Cubic Curves"", > > ACM TOG, vol 8, no 3, July 1989, pp. 147-163. > > I've used that reference, and found that I needed to go to their > original tech report: > > Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose, > ""Characterizing Cubic Bezier Curves"" > Xerox EDL-88-8, December 1988 > First, thanks to all who replied to my original question. I've implemented the ideas from the article above and I'm very satisfied with the results. I needed it for my bezier curve approximation routine. In some cases (generating offset curves) loops can occur. I now have a fast method of detecting the generation of a curve with a loop. Although I did not follow the article above strictly. The check if the fourth control point lies in the the loop area, which is bounded by two parabolas and one ellips is too complicated. Instead I enlarged the loop-area and surrounded it by for straight lines. The check is now simple and fast and my approximation routine never ever outputs self-intersecting bezier curves again! Ferdinand. ";-1;0 "From: rlm@helen.surfcty.com (Robert L. McMillin) Subject: Re: How do I find my AppContext? Organization: Surf City Software/TBFW Project In-Reply-To: masc0442@ucsnews.sdsu.edu's message of 19 Apr 1993 23:00:15 GMT Lines: 14 On 19 Apr 1993 23:00:15 GMT, masc0442@ucsnews.sdsu.edu (Todd Greene) said: > Is there an Xt call to give me my application context? > I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut, > whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use > to give me this value? I believe it's XtVaAppInitialize or something like that. -- Robert L. McMillin | Surf City Software | rlm@helen.surfcty.com | Dude! #include ";-1;0 "From: brow2812@mach1.wlu.ca (craig brown 9210 u) Subject: Re: PBS Frontline: Iran and the bomb Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Lines: 93 In article ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi) writes: > > I would like to share with netters a few points I picked up from the PBS > Frontline program regarding Iran's nuclear activities, aired on Tuesday > April 13. For the sake of brevity, I'll present them in some separate > points. Already say it the other week on CBC Snoozeworld > 1- As many other western programs, this program was laid on a bed of > misinformation throughout the program, to maximize the effect of the > program on the viewer. Some of the misinformations were as follows: Yeah, I thought Bonanza was full of lies about the West... > > - While the number of martyrs during the sacred defense against Iraqi > aggression has been officially announced to be about 117,000 and even most > radical counter-revolutionary groups claim that Iran and Iraq had a total > of one million dead, this program claims that Iran alone has one million > dead left from the war. > > - The translation of Iranian officials' talks are not 100% true. For > example when Iranian head of Atomic Energy says that: "" It hurts me to > see that Iran is the subject of these unfriendly propaganda."" The > translator says: "" It hurts to see that Iran is doing unfriendly > research.""! > > 2- Almost all alleged devices or material bought or planned to be bought > by Iranians were of countless dual usage, while the program tries to > undermine their non-military uses, without any reference to Iran's > big population and its inevitable need to other sources of energy in > near future and its current deficit in electrical power. Why the hell would such an oil rich (and hydroelectric potential to be exploited) spend billions on a nuclear energy programme? > 3- The whole program is trying to show the Sharif University of > Technology as a nuclear research center, while even the cameramen of the > program know well that in a country like Iran without a so tightly closed > society no one can make a nuclear bomb in a university! Taking in account > the scientific advancement of Sharif U. in engineering fields and its > potential role in improvement of Iran's industries and eventually the > lives of people, it is obvious that they are persuading other countries > to prevent them from further helping this university or other ones > in scientific and industrial efforts. > > 4- A key point in program's justifications is trying to disvalidate as > much as possible all efforts done by IAEA [*] in their numerous visits from > Iran's different sites. They say: ""We are not sure if the places visited > by IAEA are the real ones or not"" !, or "" We can not rely on IAEA's > reports and observation, because they failed to see Iraq's nuclear > activities before"" as if they didn't know that Iraq was trying to build > nuclear weapons! Yeah, and we have every reason in the world to trust the Iranian regime. After all, they've been *so* forward with us in the past.... > 5- As an extremely personal opinion, the most disgusting aspect of the > program was the arrogance of the member of US Senate foreign Affairs, > William Triplet, in his way of talking, as if he was the god talking > from the absolute knowledge! Maybe he *is* God! > I hope all Iranians be aware of the gradual buildup against their > country in western media, and I hope Iranian authorities continue to > their wise and calculated approach with regard to international affairs > and peaceful coexistence with friendly nations. hahahahahahaahah! >Mohammad > > > [*] International Atomic Energy Agency > ";-1;0 "From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC Distribution: na X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 39 Steve Kao (k@hprnd.rose.hp.com) wrote: : Frank Crary posted: : : Sure, but the difference in per-capita crime rates predates the : : gun control laws: The homicide rate in England was a tenth that : : of America, back when anyone in England could buy a gun without : : any paperwork at all. : Steve Manes asks: : > Got a citation for this? : Colin Greenwood from Scotland Yard did a study that showed that gun : control has had no effect on crime or murder rates in the UK. His book, : _Firearms_Controls_, has been published in London by Keegan Paul (name : may be misspelled). Others dispute that, like Richard Hofstadter, , and Newton and Zimring's . But, again, statistics between too dissimilar cultures are difficult to quantify. I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO effect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More American children accidentally shot other children last year (15) than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National Safety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison). If Mr. Greenwood believes that Brits are much too sober and coordinated to make such mistakes I'd like to introduce him to my friend, Amanda from Brighton. I used to have some pretty nice crystal in my place until she moved in. I've gotten used to the snide comments from guests about the clown motif on my rubber wine glasses. -- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) <1r0ausINNi01@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Apr20.145338.14804@shearson.com> <1r47l1INN8gq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc. Nntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com Lines: 24 In <1r47l1INN8gq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes: >In most cases information you come by properly is yours to use as you wish, >but there are certainly exceptions. If you write a paper which includes >sufficiently detailed information on how to build a nuclear weapon, it is >classified. As I understand the law, nuclear weapons design is >_automatically_ classified even if you do the work yourself. I believe you >are then not allowed to read your own paper. This has now been thrown out by the courts. (The ""Progressive"" case.) >A less serious example: if you tell drivers about a speed trap they are >about to run into, you can be fined, even though you might argue that you >broke no law when you discovered the location of the policeman. The charge >is interfering with a police officer, which is quite similar what you would >be doing by reverse engineering the Clipper chip. This is outright illegal. It DOES violate the first amendment. If you would, give a case in which your ""speed trap"" example has been upheld by the courts. -- Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea 216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal) My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer. ";-1;0 "From: MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Article-I.D.: auvm.93096.030733MCARTWR <1993Mar28.022903.13575@ncsu.edu> <93087.042722MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu> <93087.190106MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu> <7166@pdxgate.UUCP> <1993Apr5.233224.10069@lmpsbbs. Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Lines: 53 In article <1993Apr5.233224.10069@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) says: > >In article <7166@pdxgate.UUCP> a0cb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes: >)MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright) writes: >) >) >)>The official and legal term for rape is ""the crime of forcing a FEMALE >)>to submit to sexual intercourse."" >) >)Please, supply me with some references. I was not aware that all states >)had the word ""FEMALE"" in the rape statutes. I am sure others are surprised >)as well. I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but >)was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only, >)uniformly throughout the U.S. > >I agree mostly with Chris. It is (unfortunately, IMO) true that the *FBI* >figures for rape based on the 'uniform crime report' report only female >rapes. However, some states (such as Illinois) are not tabluated because they >refuse to comply with this sexist definition! >-- >The worms crawl in >The worms crawl out >The worms post to the net from your account Insofar as several ""liberal"" jurisdictions are concerned, the essential elements of rape are gender neutral. Nonetheless, I decided to provide a number of references to support my original argument. Black's Law Dictionary (every law student/lawyer's friend) defines rape as: Unlawful sexual intercourse with a female without her consent. The unlawful knowledge of a woman by a man forcibly and against her will. The Model Penal Code (the statute proposed by the National Conference of Commissioners of Uniform State Laws or other organization for adoption by state legislatures) defines rape as: A male who has sexual intercourse with a female not his wife is guilty of rape if he (a) compels her to submit by force or by threat of imminent death.... (MPC @213.1(1)(a)) Indeed the following jurisdictions/states have statutes similar to the MPC: Alabama-- Code of Ala. @13A-6-61 (1992) Arkansas--Ark.Stat.Ann. @5-14-103 (1993) District of Columbia--D.C. Code @22-2801 (1992) Georgia--O.F.G.A. @16-6-1 (1992) Idaho--Idaho Code @18-6101 (1992) Maryland--Md.Ann.Code.Art. 27 @462 (1992) Mississippi--Miss.Code Ann. @97-3-71 (1993) New York (check case law)--N.Y.C.L.S. Penal @130.35 (1993) North Carolina--N.C. Gen.Stat. @14-27-2 (1992) Puerto Rico--L.P.R.A. @4062 (1993) Ta, Martina ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Christian Daemons? [Biblical Demons, the u From: stigaard@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu Reply-To: stigaard@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu Organization: Moorhead State University, Moorhead, MN Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.29.97.2 Lines: 23 >>>667 >>>the neighbor of the beast >> >>No, 667 is across the street from the beast. 664 and 668 are the >>neighbors of the beast. > >I think some people are still not clear on this: >667 is *not* the neighbor of the beast, but, rather, across the >street. It is, in fact, 668 which is the neighbor of the beast. no, sheesh, didn't you know 666 is the beast's apartment? 667 is across the hall from the beast, and is his neighbor along with the rest of the 6th floor. >Justin (still trying to figure out what this has to do with alt.discordia) This doesn't seem discordant to you? ----------------------- ---------------------- ----------------------- -Paul W. Stigaard, Lokean Discordian Libertarian !XOA! internet: stigaard@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu (fnord) Episkopos and Chair, Moorhead State University Campus Discordians Rectal neufotomist at large ""If I left a quote here, someone would think it meant something."" ";-1;0 "From: moor9881@mach1.wlu.ca (Dwayne Moore u) Subject: SOUND BLASTER ver 1.5 UNDER WINDOWS 3.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Lines: 35 [ Article crossposted from comp.speech,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.os.linux ] [ Author was MARIO LAURETTI ] [ Posted on Mon, 5 Apr 1993 21:44:24 GMT ] I Have a Sound Blaster ver 1.5 When I try to install driver ver 1.5 (driver that comes with window 3.1) It tell me to upgrade my card first!!!???? Now, I have found new drivers from Creative labs. But I have problems installing it: After removing the vsbd.386 (old version that come in windows) After installing Creative Sound Blaster - MIDI Synthesizer I try to install Creative Sound Blaster 1.5 Wave... But when I am in the menu: Add Unlisted or Updated Driver and double click on this driver, I have this error: --------------------------Driver Error--------------------------- Cannot load Creative Sound Blaster 1.5 Wave and MIDI driver. The driver file may be missing. Try installing the driver again, or contact your system administrator. Yes, yes, yes, I have read the README.1st and try every thing! can somebody help me?? Mario Laureti internet: laurm00@tohi.dmi.usherb.ca ";-1;0 "From: shaig@composer.think.com (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 78 NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In-reply-to: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:53:34 GMT In article bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) writes: [snip] In the first place the death of three soldiers on a patrol in occupied Lebanese terrritory is NOT an act of terrorism or murder. It is disingeneous to compare their death to that of athletes in Munich or any other act of terrorism or mrder. This exercise is aimed solely at diverting the issue and is far from the truth. I agree that the death of three soldiers on a patrol etc... is not terrorism. That having been said, lets continue. [snip] imagine ???? It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... I would not argue that all or even most of the villages are ""terrorist camps"". There are however some which come very close to serving that purpose and that is not to say that other did not function in that way prior to the invasion. SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. Once they are back they announce that they bombed a ""terrorist hideout"" where an 8 year old girl just happened to be. Some of the villages, and yours might well be among them, are as you describe. Not all are. There are a large number of groups in the area, backed by various organizations, with a wide range of purposes. Hizbollah and Amal were two of the larger ones and may still be. As to retaliation, while mistakes may be made, that is still a far cry from indiscriminate bombing, which would have produced major casualties. Israel's retalliation policy is cold hearted, but a reality that we have come to accept and deal with, the Lebanese Resistance on the other hand is not going to stop its attacks on OCCUPYING ISRAELI SOLDIERS until they withdraw, this is the only real leverage that they have to force Israel to withdraw. Well, here we disagree. I think that Israel would willingly withdraw if the Lebanese gov't was able to field a reliable force in the area to police it and prevent further attacks. This is the only realistic solution, it is time for Israel to realize that the concept of a ""buffer zone"" aimed at protecting its northern cities has failed. In fact it has caused much more Israeli deaths than the occasional shelling of Northern Israel would have resulted in. Actually that is not clear at all. I will agree that the death toll is no longer civilian and now primarily military though. There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such circumstances, and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did in all other parts of Lebanon. No, the Syrian gov't is more than happy to have Israel sink into another Lebanese morass. I could elaborate if necessary. I agree, only in the case of the Isareli soldiers their killing CANNOT be qualified as murder, no matter what you say. No, but it is regretable, as is the whole situation. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | ";-1;0 "From: garrett@Ingres.COM (THE SKY ALREADY FELL. NOW WHAT?) Subject: Bush's WI (was Clinton's Wiretapping Initiative Summary: BUSH'S wiretapping initiative News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Keywords: Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division Lines: 29 In article <9304161803.AA23713@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com>, blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes... > If you look through this newsgroup, you should be > able to find Clinton's proposed ""Wiretapping"" Initiative > for our computer networks and telephone systems. > > This 'initiative"" has been up before Congress for at least > the past 6 months, in the guise of the ""FBI Wiretapping"" > bill. I guess your strength isn't in math. Clinton hasn't been president for 6 months. In other words, it's BUSH'S Wiretapping Initiative. > > I strongly urge you to begin considering your future. > I strongly urge you to get your application for a passport > in the mail soon. > > I strongly urge you to consider moving any savings you > have overseas, into protected bank accounts, while > you are still able. > Have you? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Who said anything about panicking?"" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson ""This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com settled into the situation and found my bearings. THEN I'll start panicking!"" - Douglas Adams ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: Internal leak in carburetor Lines: 9 Hi, My friend's 1983 Toyota Tercel accelerates by itself without using the gas peddel. The repairman said it has a internal leak of air in the carburetor and needs a new carburetor (costs $650). She likes to know if it is possible to fix the problem without replacing the whole carburetor. Thank you. ";-1;0 "From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 9 callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: : >> : >I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if : >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your : >alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there : >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun. : I think people have a right to kill to defend their property. Why not? Be honest: do you really care more about scum than about your car? ";-1;0 "From: Tony Lezard Subject: Re: atheist? Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 50 I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: > In article > Tony Lezard writes: > > (Deletion) > > > >My opinion is that the strong atheist position requires too much > >belief for me to be comfortable with. Any strong atheists out there > >care to comment? >[...] > Humans just come up with the idea of a spiritual parent. It is one > of the artifacts of human thought. The evidence for that is quite > overwhelming. And the information content of the conceived is vanishing. > > In other words, if there were gods, they would hardly make sense, and > it is possible to explain the phenomenon of religion without gods. > > The concept is useless, and I don't have to introduce new assumptions > in order to show that. > > No leap of faith required for me. Your mileage may vary. Yes I fully agree with that, but is it ""I don't believe gods exist"", or ""I believe no gods exist""? As MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) pointed out, it all hinges on what you take the word ""believe"" to mean. Unfortunately this is bound up in the definitions of strong and weak atheism, at least according to the FAQ: # Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of God. # Some atheists go further, and believe that God does not exist. The former is # often referred to as the ""weak atheist"" position, and the latter as ""strong # atheism"". # # It is important to note the difference between these two positions. ""Weak # atheism"" is simple scepticism; disbelief in the existence of God. ""Strong # atheism"" is a positive belief that God does not exist. Please do not # fall into the trap of assuming that all atheists are ""strong atheists"". (From mathew's ""An Introduction to Atheism"" version 1.2 last modified 5-Apr-93) Should the FAQ be clarified to try to pin down this notion of ""belief""? Can it? -- Tony Lezard IS tony@mantis.co.uk OR tony%mantis.co.uk@uknet.ac.uk OR things like tony%uk.co.mantis@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay OR (last resort) arl10@phx.cam.ac.uk PGP 2.2 public key available on request. ";-1;0 "From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Lines: 25 Distribution: world Reply-To: smith@ctron.com NNTP-Posting-Host: glinda.ctron.com In article , keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes: >I know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up, >does anyone have any idea why they haven't ""bombed"" the Waco cult? Perhaps it is because witnesses who have left the compound have all testified that the BATF shot first, they they did not identify themselves before tossing in concussion grenades (not that anyone inside could have _heard_ such identification after being near a concussion grenade) and the announcement from the BATF that they have sealed the warrant under which they were operating - which was a _search_ warrant, by the way, _not_ an arrest warrant. In short, perhaps because the BATF is wildly out of control and perhaps calmer heads have realized that bombing a compound full of woman and children will not improve their position. There is a real chance that Koresh will be able to prove self-defense in court. That will leave - what? - four officers dead and no one to blame but the BATF. Followups directed to alt.activism, where the discussion has raged nearly as long as the seige, and which shows every sign of not giving up nearly as soon. Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron. Need you ask? - Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want, it is the freedom to do whatever we are able. ";-1;0 "From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 12 In article <3090@shaman.wv.tek.com>, andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) wr ites: >[] > > ""Can I ask. Have any of you been at the speed of 130? It's a > rush."" > >So is cocaine. What's your point? > > -=- Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com) >Don't know about the cocaine, but.... -- ";-1;0 "From: gallas2@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Sean Michael Gallagher) Subject: Funding for NASA Article-I.D.: rpi.87g54s_ Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: marcus.its.rpi.edu I am doing a political science paper on the funding of NASA and pork-barrel politics. I would be interested in information about funding practices and histories of some of the major programs (Apollo, STS, SSF, etc) and the funding of SSTO to contrast. Could someone please recommend some sources that would be useful? Thank you. -- Sean Gallagher gallas2@rpi.edu ";-1;0 "From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo) Subject: Ampex 456 2"" Recording Tape For Sale Organization: University of Waterloo Distribution: na Lines: 19 I have 5 full reels of Ampex 456 2"" recording tape. This tape was used once at 15 ips and carefully stored. All reel include an Ampex tape band. The tape has not been bulk erased to my knowledge. The history of the tape in know and available upon request. JMAR in Toronto sells new 2"" 456 for $260+tax (Canadian) I would like $100CDN/reel which will include postage. Brett Maraldo - Plexus Productions ps. The reels are 2500' long; standard thickness. -- -------- Unit 36 Research --------- ""Alien Technology Today"" bmaraldo@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca {uunet!clyde!utai}!watserv1!bmaraldo ";8;1 "From: kme@node_17aa4.bnr.ca (Ken Michael Edwards) Subject: Re: Economic Stimulus or Pork? Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC Lines: 73 In article <1993Apr2.201514.20021@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: |> |> In fact, no one has such a list. The Clinton package as presently proposed |> includes a variety of recommended spending areas and dollar amounts. It |> does not include a line-by-line list of every project that would be funded. |> (Congress may include such line items in the bill when it passes. |> Likewise, it may prohibit spending for specific projects as amendments to |> the bill. Such amendments, positive and negative, are often pointed to |> by those who propose a ""line item veto"" or ""enhanced recision"" power for |> the President.) |> |> Some of the $16 billion package is in the form of ""block grants"" to states |> and localities. This is why I asked to be 'enlightened'. You are making claims about what 'is' or 'is not' part of this program. But if the ""block grants"" go to states and cities, the mayors list is VERY relivent. |> |> I'd suggest contacting your local officials, reading a newspaper with |> good coverage of Congress (Washington Post, NY Times), or if you're |> serious about paying attention to these issues, get copies of Congressional |> Quarterly at your library or have your representative put you on the |> mailing list for the Congressional Record. (It's free.) But be prepared |> to invest more time in the effort than it takes to watch the evening |> news or read your local paper. Okay scarasm does deserve sacrasm, but I already contact my local officals, my congress rep., senators, Watch evening news, news programs, and C-SPAN. |> |> In addition to the cherry picking that went on with the Mayors' wish list, |> Congressional Republicans selected wish list projects from a variety of |> Federal agencies, based apparently upon how silly the names of the projects |> sounded. I'm not even sure if they bothered to correlate a potential |> expenditure of an agency in Clinton's bill with a potential project from |> the same agency, but it is clear that the effort was to make Clinton's |> potential expenditures appear to be linked to projects with absurd |> names. (Not to be taken seriously any more than equivalent tactics by |> Democrats would have been in the Reagan/Bush era.) The fact is that Primetime (TM of ABC) has had numberous reposts on such waste programs that already exist. Again, if we are truely intrested in eliminating the DEBT, we must REMOVE the DEFICIT, and do away with ALL PORK !!! |> |> I realize that it is tempting to believe that government is in the hands |> of clowns who are dishonest at best. But such simplistic analysis does |> little to advance the cause of public education. There have been several books written on gov. waste, network news programs from time to time devote segments to this, and there have been bills proposed that significantly reduces expenditures without touching external programs by changing the way 'congress does business' (and make it more efficent). True, blame is easy, but also is spending someone else's money. Clinton ran on a platform that he would '...not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for these (his) programs'. He has proposed a program that is not specific, that counts on tax hikes to pay for. -- ====================================================================== Ken M. Edwards, Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC (919) 481-8476 email: cnc23a@bnr.ca Ham: N4ZBB All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president. ""You'd better call my dad...My mom's pretty busy."" - Chelsea Clinton ";-1;0 "From: jllee@acsu.buffalo.edu (Johnny L Lee) Subject: RE: === MOVING SALE === Summary: RE: === MOVING SALE === Organization: UB Lines: 44 Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu Reduced Prices! I have a list of things forsale on behalf of my brother, who's moving (moved already) Offer: 1) Black and Decker Duster Plus (Portable Hand Vaccum) purchased for $32, $12 2) SR-1000 Dual Cassette Portable Player, AM/FM 5-Band graphics Equalizer, high speed dubing, Duo Tape.Tape deck A, seems to have lost treble sound. But, I bet it's fixable. purchased for $80 $25 3)Monolux Zoom MicroScope, up to 1200X magnification Made in Japan, includes case and accessories purchased for $50 $20 4)Sunbeam 1400 Hair Dryer, the dryer you put your head under/into. You know, the ones you see in the salons. (Don't ask me why my bro had it) purchased for $60 $24 5)Everylast Speed Bag, all leather. Brand new, never used $10 6)Osterizer Pusle Matic Blender, with 10 speeds and a cookbook, 5 years old $10 purchased for $50 8)Binolux Binoculars . 7x35, extra wide angle 525ft. at 1000yds. with case. very new. $20 9)Proctor and Silex Spray,Steam and Dry Iron. very new. $10 Any questions, contact me thru e-mail and I will reply expeditously And always, S+H are not included, so please consider this. And lastly, I'm a very reasonable.Very Reasonable. Thanks, John ";-1;0 "From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 50 In article 1676@mala.bc.ca, apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.174139.6604@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >> >> To adjust +/-: >> >> 1. First calculate a teams +/-. (Goals Scored - PP Goals Scored) - >> (Goals allowed - PP Goals Allowed (when they were penalty killing)). >> >> 2. Divide this number by 5 to take into account of the fact that there >> are 5 players on the ice and each is 1/5 responsible for the team +/-. >> >> 3. A players adjusted +/- is (His raw +/-) - (Team Adjustment). >> >> BTW If anyone could calculate and post adjusted +/- ratings it would be >> greatly appreciated. I might find the time to do so- but don't count on >> it. > >I have a database filter set up for the player stats. When it is posted for >the end of season I'll repost the team averages. You don't need to go through >the complicated team adjustment you are using - all you need is the team >average by summing all the individual players' +\- and divide by the total >number of players on the team. This will be a little distorted because the >players who have been traded recently will have come with +\- scores based >on their original teams. This shouldn't distort it too bad though. If you >want to look at individual players from this perspective then go ahead - >you'll require the original player stats though. Question: If a team uses 40 players in a season do you merely divide the total +/- by 40? If so, a player who plays in only 1 game is considered equally valuable as a player who plays in all of them. >Another way of looking at the same thing is to compare the deviation from >the mean for the team of the player to the standard deviation for the team. >I'll post both. Since the standard deviation for each team is different, I am unsure how ""transferable"" between teams that these stats are. Shouldn't the average standard deviation in the league be used? I am interested in seeing each method. But I still think that mine is the best. If for no other reason than familiarity. Gregmeister ";-1;0 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Drag free satellites (was: Stephen Hawking Tours JPL) Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: JPL Joe, your description sounds like one of the gravity probe spacecraft ideas. pat ";-1;0 "From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: usa Lines: 22 In article <93104.231049U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: >All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as >I am not really familiar enough with handguns. That's not all that Kratz doesn't know. >Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing >that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is >that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. Now we know that Kratz doesn't understand what a safety is supposed to do. (He also confuses ""things he can see"" with ""things that exist""; Glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the outside.) A safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off UNLESS that's what the user wants. With Glocks, one says ""I want the gun to go off"" by pulling the trigger. If the safeties it has make that work, it has a ""real"" safety, no matter what Kratz thinks. -andy -- ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: That Kill by Sword, Must be Killed by Sword Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 18 In article <20APR199306173611@utarlg.uta.edu>, b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) wrote: > tional as that is for so many). One direct benefit is being able to > keep things in perspective, KS. > > Such as who hurts more -- the ones who died, or the loved ones who > are left? Besides the lessons. It's also time for many to grieve. > Including those who've lost their faith in others, or in God. > > I'm learning to be patient, and let things heal. God willing. Christians through ages have had to learn to be patient. I do think it's time to face the reality. The events during the last 52 two days showed what the world is really like. Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";19;1 "From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 18 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu -*----- In article <1993Apr15.150550.15347@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ccreegan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles L. Creegan) writes: > What about Kekule's infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings > from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails? Is this > specific enough to count? Certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic > phil. of sci. texts as an example of the inventive component of > hypothesizing. I think the question is: What is extra-scientific about this? It has been a long time since anyone has proposed restrictions on where one comes up with ideas in order for them to be considered legitimate hypotheses. The point, in short, is this: hypotheses and speculation in science may come from wild flights of fancy, daydreams, ancient traditions, modern quackery, or anywhere else. Russell ";-1;0 "From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) Subject: Re: Need to find information about current trends in diabetes. Lines: 63 Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California In steveo@world.std.com (Steven W Orr) writes: >I looked for diab in my .newsrc and came up with nuthin. Anyone have >any good sources for where I can read? Check out the DIABETIC mailing list -- a knowledgable, helpful, friendly, voluminous bunch. Send email to LISTSERV@PCCVM.BITNET, with this line in the body: SUBSCRIBE DIABETIC Also, the vote for misc.health.diabetes, a newsgroup for general discussion of diabetes, is currently underway, and will close on 29 April. From the 2nd CFV, posted to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, and sci.med, message <1q1jshINN4v1@rodan.UU.NET>: >To place a vote FOR the creation of misc.health.diabetes, send an >email message to yes@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil > >To place a vote AGAINST creation of misc.health.diabetes, send an >email message to no@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil > >The contents of the message should contain the line ""I vote >for/against misc.health.diabetes as proposed"". Email messages sent to >the above addresses must constitute unambiguous and unconditional >votes for/against newsgroup creation as proposed. Conditional votes >will not be accepted. Only votes emailed to the above addresses will >be counted; mailed replies to this posting will be returned. In the >event that more than one vote is placed by an individual, only the >most recent vote will be counted. One additional CFV will be posted >during the course of the vote, along with an acknowledgment of those >votes received to date. No information will be supplied as to how >people are voting until the final acknowledgment is made at the end, >at which time the full vote will be made public. > >Voting will continue until 23:59 GMT, 29 Apr 93. >Votes will not be accepted after this date. > >Any administrative inquiries pertaining to this CFV may be made by >email to swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil > >The proposed charter appears below. > >-------------------------- > >Charter: > >misc.health.diabetes unmoderated > >1. The purpose of misc.health.diabetes is to provide a forum for the >discussion of issues pertaining to diabetes management, i.e.: diet, >activities, medicine schedules, blood glucose control, exercise, >medical breakthroughs, etc. This group addresses the issues of >management of both Type I (insulin dependent) and Type II (non-insulin >dependent) diabetes. Both technical discussions and general support >discussions relevant to diabetes are welcome. > >2. Postings to misc.heath.diabetes are intended to be for discussion >purposes only, and are in no way to be construed as medical advice. >Diabetes is a serious medical condition requiring direct supervision >by a primary health care physician. > >-----(end of charter)----- ";-1;0 "From: RICK@ysub.ysu.edu (Rick Marsico) Subject: Proventil Inhaler Organization: Youngstown State University Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ysub.ysu.edu Does the Proventil inhaler for asthma relief fall into the steroid or nonsteroid category? Looking at the product literature it's not clear. rick@ysu.edu ";-1;0 "From: pramodmm@deforest.ee.washington.edu (Pramod Mahadev) Subject: Help on xlib and include files Article-I.D.: shelley.1r6om2INN3tf Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: deforest.ee.washington.edu Hi Xperts! I have a Sparc-1 with very limited disk space on /usr partition. previously, i was able to run all x-windows applications and then i upgraded my system to sun o.s. 4.1.3 and realized that , the hard disk did not have enough space to load openwindows. My immediate alternative was to load only the neccessary files to boot the system. This resulted in not loading openwindows. As a result of which none of the X-libraries got loaded. I am trying to load just the libraries and include files and bin/X11 files required for running X-windows and compiling my programs written for Xlib and Xaw. In a desperate effort to regain x-windows, i retrieved /usr/lib/libX*.* files from the tape . /usr/bin/X11/* and /usr/include/X11/* . Is this enough for running X-windows BUt i did not get /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ sub directories . these are mainly 100dpi, 75dpi and misc. when i run xinit, the error message says /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi etc are not in the default path. But the problem is i cannot load any of those directories as there is no disk space. Are there any temporary suggestions before I get a 1.5 GB disk and load openwindows , to just have my x-windows running. Thanks Pramod -- ";-1;0 "From: mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky) Subject: LCIII->PowerPC? Organization: dis Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor. I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip. Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS slot. Is that true? Thanks David Mirsky mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu ";-1;0 "From: lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee) Subject: STOP MAYNARD BASHING!!!! (was Re: Roger Maynard) Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada Distribution: world Summary: stop this nonsense! Keywords: not fair, inconsiderate post Nntp-Posting-Host: asterix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr16.213024.8698@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes: >Does anyone recieve annoying email from Roger Maynard whenever they post an >article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group?? >These emails are filled with insults- more than are usual in Roger's posts >and have little if any hockey info. >I have recieved two in the last 2 days. >I am just wondering if I am special or Roger trys to bully everyone who >disagrees with him. > >Gregmeister > You can't be serious! I and many of my colleagues have not received any bad e-mails from Roger, in fact, Roger happens to have answered most if not all of my hockey questions and curiosities, so before you start flaming at me or Roger, better re-consider your nasty attitude towards Roger and the like! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Lee * University of Western Ontario * London, Canada lee139@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca _______________________________________________________________________________ ";-1;0 "From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: Basics about maintenance Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.002142.6753 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr5.175719.7892@telxon.mis.telxon.com> joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) writes: >In article <1piip4$bo6@agate.berkeley.edu> hubertc@whistle.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Hung-Hsien (Hubert) Chang) writes: >> >>Hi! being new to a car owner, I would pretty much like to know more about >>some basics of maintaining the cars. >> >>I know the following: >> >>1. Oil has to be changed every 3000 miles. > >Change the oil filter, too. > >>2. Check tires before going on the high way. And fill up the tank. > >Make that monthly, or more often if you know one or more of your >tires has a slow leak. If the tire has a leak you should fix it. > >>What others? Thank you. > > >4. Check ALL fluids regularly (every month?), check the oil every time you > fill up with gas. Doesn't work too well if the engine is hot, its more accurate to check the oil when the engine is cool, i.e. not when you are at a gas station. Craig ";-1;0 "From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f Nntp-Posting-Host: birdie.i88.isc.com Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL Lines: 21 In article txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here] >>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes: >>> You think your *average* dirt biker can jump >>>a 3 foot log? > >How about an 18"" log that is suspended about 18"" off of the ground? >For that matter, how about a 4"" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the >ground? Oh, ye of little imagination. You don't jump over those - that's where you lay the bike down and slide under! -- Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 ""Gleep"" Naperville, IL __ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet, \/ followed by the words ""Daddy! Yay!"" ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Sleeping Pill OD Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr9.051039.715@scott.skidmore.edu> dfederma@scott.skidmore.edu (daniel federman) writes: > >A friend of mine took appoximately 60 CVS sleeping pills, each >containing 25mg of diphenhydramine, I think. That's 1500 mg, total. > I'm worried, though, about the long-term effects. Since he >never had his stomach pumped, will he have liver or brain damage? Any >information would be greatly appreciated. Shouldn't have. But he may need to see the shrink about why he wanted to kill himself. Depressed people can be succesfully treated usually. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3 Nntp-Posting-Host: adam.fwi.uva.nl Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam Lines: 29 epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) writes: >dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy) writes: >[Description of compiling problems deleted.] >>gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o bmtoa bmtoa.o -O2 -funroll-loops -L../.././lib/Xmu >>-lXmu -L../.././lib/Xt -L../.././extensions/lib -L../.././lib/X -L/afs/cfa/syste >>m/sun4c_413/usr/head/lib/X11/X11R5 >>ld: Undefined symbol >> _XGetVisualInfo >> _XFree >> _XInternAtom >[etc.] >There's a bug in SunOS 4.1.3, which is alluded to in the FAQ (although >there it's talking about X11R4 as being affected). You need to force >libXmu to be linked statically, rather than dynamically, which works >around the linker error. The simplest thing to do is edit each of >the Makefiles where there's a failure and change the line which reads: > XMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -lXmu >to: > XMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic No. This is only relevant for OpenWindows 3.x as shipped with SunOS. It is not relevant for MIT R5. MIT R5 should compile without problems. Casper ";-1;0 "From: corwin@igc.apc.org (Corwin Nichols) Subject: Re: Fujitsu 8"" HDD Lines: 13 Nf-ID: #R:1993Apr17.204351.2256@aber.ac.uk:-1606259317:cdp:1466200011:000:729 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!corwin Apr 19 08:23:00 1993 The Fujitsu 2322 uses what is known as an 'SMD' interface (Storage Module Device?). A lot of older minis used it. Sun still does on their server models. There are several different speeds of SMD, and I think that the Fuji drive you have is rated at about 24 Mb/sec (thats megabits). There used to be several companies that made couplers for the PC (Interphase in Texas being one), but I think that the market pretty much has dried up. Controllers for this type of drive are readily available for VME buses though. Rumor has it that there is a SMD to SCSI adapter available, but I think that it was designed for slower SMD devices. In other words, if you have a PC or Mac, that drive is pretty much dogmeat. Cheers, Corwin ";-1;0 "From: jmichael@vnet.IBM.COM Subject: Electric power line ""balls"" Article-I.D.: almaden.19930406.142616.248 Lines: 4 Power lines and airplanes don't mix. In areas where lines are strung very high, or where a lot of crop dusting takes place, or where there is danger of airplanes flying into the lines, they place these plastic balls on the lines so they are easier to spot. ";11;1 "From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: Propaganda Re: re: fillibuster Lines: 213 Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center In article hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: > >In article , VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: > >|>In article hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: >|>> >|> Or are they simply propogranda? We can't know what Phill *really* >|>means because he's obviously using arguments designed to convince. > >I make no secret of what I am up to, I have stated explicitly in posts >that I am a political propagandist on numerous occasions. Anyone posting >to this group who is not probably has the wrong group. > >For example I have on numerous occasions stated quite clearly that I >beleive that certain factions of the gun lobby are the worst possible >advocates of their cause and I am prepared to do anything in my power >to provide them with a platform because they can convince people far >better than I could hope that many people with a fixation on lethal >weapons are dangerous and derranged. If you happen to know a political position which does not have people advocating it who do more harm than good, please point it out. >Some people have even accused me of inventing such advocates purely >for the purpose of having them trash a set of political views. In >fact this would be a futile tactic because I could never hope to >invent a character as dangerous as sybok.athena.edu, a man who I >quite seriously believe to be mentaly ill and a potential psychopath. >Unfortunately the local sherifs office have informed me that they >are unable to act untill he attacks someone. One of the advantages and draw-backs of requiring proof on the part of the government before they may take action against citizens. (and part of the reason some of us believe weapons should be available.) >So if you were to ask me what is the point that I am trying to make >from this current argument on the absolute sanctity of the US >constitution what would I answer? We are not arguing the absolute sanctity of the U.S. Constitution. In fact, the fillibuster we're talking about isn't *in* the Constitution. I objected to your suggestion that the Senate wasn't intended to exercise the power it was clearly given. >Firstly I see that the current US political scene like the UK political >scene has become tied to special interests. Rather than chase the >convenient caricatures put about by the media and polititians themselves >for this - Gay rights cmapaigners, environmentalists, zionists (i.e. >Jews), ""foreign lobbyists"" - whatever voting power they have etc. I >sugest that you look at who is really benefiting. The inevitable conclusion >is that it is the major corporations owned by the ultra-wealthy that >have benefited. Regan and Bush created what can only be described as a >welfare state for the rich. I'll point out again that Reagan only had a Republican Majority in the Senate during his first term, and his coalition in the House came apart at about the same time. Bush never had any real support in Congress. The real point is that everybody, *everywhere* got their pork, from the big corporations to the guy I saw last night leaving a convenience store with an armful of junk-food he'd bought with food stamps. (He spent more in food stamps on junk than I *make* in a week and I'm not on government assitance.) >Money was diverted from programs addressing >social needs and poured into the weapons industry in the form of cost >plus profits contracts. Lessee, let's pull out the old Almanac. In 1980, total U.S. government budget outlays were 590.9 billion dollars. In 1992 (est) they were 1.4754 trillion dollars, an increase of approx. 884 billion dollars. In 1980, National Defense cost 133.9 billion dollars. In 192 it was 307 billion dollars, and increase of 174 billion dollars. That leaves an increase of 710 billion dollars unaccounted for. (This represented an increase of 230%) In 1980, Income Security (which includes retirement programs, Housing Assitance, and unemployment benefits, and I believe welfare) cost 86.5 billion dollars. In 1992 it was 198 billion dollars, or more than national defense started. (This represented an increase of 230%) In 1980, the Federal Government spent 32 billion dollars on Medicare. In 1992 they spent 118 billion dollars. (an increase of 368%) In 1980, the Feds spent 9 billion dollars on housing credits and subsidies of that like. In 1992 it was 87 billion. In 1980, Health care services and research was 23 billion dollars. In 1992, it was 94 billion dollars. Agriculture, up 9 billion to 17 billion. Science, up 11 billion to 16 billion. Resource conservation up 7 billion to 20 billion. Education up 14 billion to 45 billion. Veteran benefits up 12 billion to 33 billion. Trasnportation up 13 billion to 34 billion. About the only things I see which was seriously decreased was under the Energy category, primarily under ""Supply,"" and ""Community Development,"" in the area of ""disaster relief,"" and between the two of them represent a loss of less than 11 billion dollars. Where *was* this huge diversion? >In order to rectify this situation there must >be constitutional revision. Not that's a stretch. If the current government was pushed by the President to create this mess, wouldn't one expect it to begin to equalize once the pressure is gone? >Secondly the form of this revision must take account of the changed >circumsatnces of the role of the Federal government. Only assuming that the new role is a positive role we want to continue. I see very little positive about it. >The constitution >cannot be used to frustrate the democratic process. The Constitution was *designed* to frustrate the democratic process, so that the voters could be absolutely sure they were getting what they wanted by the time it happened. Nor do I see putting the brakes on the ""democratic process"" an inherently bad thing. Califronia's riding the edge and every time they pull their ballot initiative nonsense it gets worse. >If the peoplr want >to have welfare spending by the federal government they will have >it. Sometimes, or perhaps most of the time, the people should be told, ""no,"" and pointed to their local government. >Attempting to prevent this through constitutional trickery only >leads to the constitution being brought into disrepute. Phill, would you do me the very great favor of repeating that in talk.politics.guns? >Methods will >always be found to bypass such provisions and once the government gets >used to bypassing those provisions they will bypass the others up to >the first ammendment. Cute. We can eliminate violations of the law by eliminating the law. >This is a major reason why the right to own >guns should be excluded, the implication that this right is equal to >the right to free speech is dangerous. Free speech alone is dangerous, Phill. >People know that mass ownership >of lethal weapons causes thousands of murders a year, the dangerous >conclusion they may reach is that the first ammendment may also be >the same dangerous mistake. OK, Phill. All you gotta show me is a clear pattern of *reduction* in homicide rates across several countries and that'll be it. (Not current, mind, you, reduction.) >Note however that this is not the slippery >slope argument. It is because the right freedom of speech has been >chained to the privilege to own weaponry that the danger arises. The >advocates of this pivilege must not be allowed to chain freedom of >speech to their cause such that if they fall freedom of speech falls >as well. Such actions are not the actions of people genuinely interested >in freedom. Who's chaining anything to freedom of speech? By *calling* it a freedom? >Thirdly and most importantly I want to discover a mechanism wherby I can >engender intellectual debate as opposed to totemic debate. I consider >the grave threat to civilisation to be the loss of the ability to >reason about the political debate at anything other than the superficial >level. The objection I raise to your basing your case entirely on the >assertion of the supremacy of the US constitution is that the currency >of your argument is limited to the currency of the totem upon which it >is based. The danger of totems is that they can be reinterpreted in >different ways by different people. Phill, you're a master of subtly changing the subject. I haven't *based* my argument against raw democracy on the Constitution. I've tried to explain why it isn't a good idea. The only time I've referred to the Constitution is to point out it doesn't contain the restrictions on the veto and the Senate you appear to believe were ""meant,"" but just didn't make it in there. The Constitution doesn't *contain* the 41% fillibuster rule. I only believe that the rule is a good idea. You cn't dismiss that as venerating the Constitution because it isn't *in* the Constitution. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 26 In article jag@ampex.com (Rayaz Jagani) writes: > >From Miranda Castro, _The Complete Homeopathy Handbook_, >ISBN 0-312-06320-2, oringinally published in Britain in 1990. > >From Page 10, >.. and in 1946, when the National Health Service was established, >homeopathy was included as an officially approved method >of treatment. I was there in 1976. I suppose it must have died out since 1946, then. Certainly I never heard of any homeopaths or herbalists in the employ of the NHS. Perhaps the law codified it but the authorities refused to hire any homeopaths. A similar law in the US allows chiropractors to practice in VA hospitals but I've never seen one there and I don't know of a single VA that has hired a chiropractor. There are a lot of Britons on the net, so someone should be able to tell us if the NHS provides homeopaths for you. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Re: Looking for a filemanager under X11R5 Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr21.130259.3773@atlastele.com> brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes: >Does anyone have a file manager that runs under UNIX/X11R5?? > xdtm is working looking at, as is ftptool. There really isn't anything of any quality that I've seen though, and I'm seriously considering writing one on my own. -- mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu ""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown ";-1;0 "From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs.. Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: na Lines: 53 Mark Kromer, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 00:42:46 GMT wibbled: : In an article rtaraz@bigwpi (Ramin Taraz) wrote: : >Does the ""amount of exhaust allowed to leave the engine through the : >exhaust pipe"" make that much of a difference? the amount of air/fuel : >mixture that a cylender sucks in (tries to suck in) depends on the : >speed of the piston when it goes down. : ...and the pressure in the cylinder at the end of the exhaust stroke. : With a poor exhaust system, this pressure may be above atmospheric. : With a pipe that scavenges well this may be substantially below : atmospheric. This effect will vary with rpm depending on the tune of : the pipe; some pipes combined with large valve overlap can actually : reverse the intake flow and blow mixture out of the carb when outside : the pipes effective rev range. : >Now, my question is which one provides more resistence as far as the : >engine is conserned: : >) resistance that the exhaust provides : >) or the resistance that results from the bike trying to push itself and : > the rider : Two completely different things. The state of the pipe determines how : much power the motor can make. The load of the bike determines how : much power the motor needs to make. : -- : - )V(ark)< FZR400 Pilot / ZX900 Payload / RD400 Mechanic : You're welcome. Well I, for one, am so very glad that I have fuel injection! All those needles and orifices and venturi and pressures... It's worse than school human biology reproduction lessons (sex). Always made me feel a bit queasy. -- Nick (the Simple Minded Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Tube Rider M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| ";-1;0 "From: yatrou@INRS-Telecom.Uquebec.CA (Paul Yatrou) Subject: Re: Stop predicting Organization: Bell-Northern Research Montreal, Canada. Lines: 22 In <1993Apr16.060010.10012@ncsu.edu> cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) writes: >It is really annoying to see all of these >predictions on the Net. Who really cares >who you think will win? Please stop with >the predictions, we all know the Caps are >going to win the Cup, so let it go at that. > > >David Kaupang >cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu Yeah, but first they have to deal with the Devils, who've had their number all year. I'm not saying the Caps aren't a good team (they've been a thorn on the Habs side for the past 10 years!!!), just that they won't get past NJ... Paul Yatrou yatrou@inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca (running my pool today, wish me luck!!!!!!!!!!!) ";-1;0 "From: joe13+@pitt.edu (Joseph B Stiehm) Subject: Re: ABC coverage Distribution: usa Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 30 In article am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes: > >I was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the >coverage. I was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage >of work in the corners and behind the play without losing a beat getting >back to the puck. > >Thorne is good and I've always been a fan of Clement (but I miss >Mike Emrick!). My boyfriend, who is not a hockey fan, even looked up >at one point and said, ""These guys are pretty good announcers."" (This >is the same guy who said that Rick Tocchet looks like Charles Bronson...:) > >Mom. I have one complaint for the cameramen doing the Jersey-Pitt series: Show the shots, not the hits. On more than one occassion the camera zoomed in on a check along the boards while the puck was in the slot. They panned back to show the rebound. Maybe Mom's camera people were a little more experienced. Joseph Stiehm ";-1;0 "From: 55526@brahms.udel.edu (Oliver P Weatherbee) Subject: New Windows drivers for Cirrus GD5426 graphic cards! Article-I.D.: news.C5x27u.D4F Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 42 Nntp-Posting-Host: brahms.udel.edu I have uploaded the most recent Windows drivers for the Cirrus GD5426 chip based display cards to the uploads directory at ftp.cica.indiana.edu (file is 5426dr13.zip). They're very recent, I downloaded them from the Cirrus BBS (570-226-2365) last night. If you are unable to get them there, email me and maybe I can upload them to some other sites as well. I have a local bus based card (VL24 Bitblaster from Micron) but I think the drivers work with ISA cards (or at least includes drivers for them). I found the new drivers to be a significant improvement over the 1.2 version, improving my graphic winmarks (v3.11) by about 2 million (7.77 to 9.88) although this could be the result of intentional benchmark cheating on Cirrus's part but I don't think so. From Steve Gibson's (columnist for Info World) graphic card comparisons (also found at the cica ftp site under the name winadv.zip) I extracted the following for the sake of comparison: Wintach Winbn3.11 Word Sprsht Cad Paint Overall Steve's system: 486/33 VLB: ATI Graphics Ultra Pro 9.33 10.34 20.78 8.28 14.90 13.58 my system - 486sx/33 VLB: VL24 Bitblaster 9.88 8.65 11.71 18.84 15.40 13.65 Its no Viper, but I think its a hell of a deal at about a third of the cost of the ATI card and when compared to the other cards included in Gibson's review. Micron system owner's, I would be interested to hear your opinions on the DTC 2270VL local bus disk controller. My system came with a Maxtor 7120 drive (120 MB) and at first was only giving me disk winmarks of about 16 Kb/s, I am now at 22 Kb/s. Is this about as good as it gets? I can't get a Norton's sysinfo disk reading because the contoller intercepts the calls, at least that was what the program said. Oliver Weatherbee oliver@earthview ";-1;0 "From: seth@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Seth Buffington) Subject: Re: GUI Study Organization: University of North Texas, Denton Distribution: na Lines: 35 >Cutsie little Macintrash-like icons that are an instant recipe for >mousitis IMHO. System 7 is undoubtedly the worst GUI I have used (out of >that, RISCOS, MSWombles, and X11) simply because it does not provide enough >keyboard shortcuts. Windows I must confess I quite like (cover your ears >:-) ) because you can actually use it without having to ever touch the >mouse. [stuff delete] >the user rather than making things _easier_ - and there should always be >the option to do it your way if you want to, which is why I like the >UNIX/X combination so much - it's so customizable. Hear! Hear! I agree completely. One thing I can't stand about the Mac interface is its shear determination to FORCE you to use the mouse(what if your mouse breaks--your whole system is down!). I like the mouse--it is handy on some occassions such as cut and past and moving icons around, etc. But for most work, the keyboard and hot keys are 10-20 times faster than using the mouse. Sure it is a plus to be able to do something simple if you are an inexperienced user, but how long is it before your are experienced? A month? Two? (Speaking of PCs at the moment.) I don't think it is too much to ask that window programmers provide not only a menu/mouse interface but also look forward to those who would like to move on to hot keys and command line interfaces, which usually allows you to do more in less time IF you are experienced. All of the above equally applies to windowing systems on UNIX (especially since Unix is at least 500% more powerful than DOS). -- \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ \ Seth Buffington U.S.S. GAB 550 I 817-565-2642 / \ seth@cs.unt.edu seth@gab.unt.edu Unix Operator / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";-1;0 "From: shredder@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Ed Sayre) Subject: Orthodox List Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 7 I recently had to move and forgot to update my address to the Orthodox mailing list. Can anyone e-mail me the address for changes and what exactly I have to put in caps, etc? (please send the original subscription address also). Thanks ahead of time! -Ed. -- Ed ""Shredder"" Sayre internet: shredder@telerama.pgh.pa.us Unemployment Studies major ";-1;0 "From: heart@access.digex.com (G) Subject: cholistasis(sp?)/fat-free diet/pregnancy!! Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 80 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Hi, I've just returned from a visit with my OB/GYN and I have a few concerns that maybe y'all can help me with. I've been seeing her every 4 weeks for the past few months (I'm at week 28) and during the last 2 visits I've gained 9 to 9 1/2 pounds every 4 weeks. She said this was unacceptable over any 4 week period. As it stands I've thus far gained 26 pounds. Also she says that though I'm at 28 weeks the baby's size is 27 weeks, I think she mentioned 27 inches for the top of the fundus. When I was 13 weeks the baby's size was 14 weeks. I must also add, that I had an operation a few years ago for endometriosis and I've had no problems with endometriosis but apparently it is causing me pain in my pelvic region during the pregnancy, and I have a very difficult time moving, and the doc has recommended I not walk or move unless I have to. (I have a little handicapped sticker for when I do need to go out.) Anyway that's 1/2 of the situation the other is that almost from the beginning of pregnancy I was getting sick (throwing up) about 2-3 times a day and mostly it was bile that was being eliminated. (I told her about this). I know this because I wasn't eating very much due to the nausea and could see the 'results'. Well now I only get sick about once every 1-2 weeks, and it is still bile related. But in addition I had begun to feel movement near my upper right abdomen, just below the right breast, usually when I was lying on my right side. It began to get worse though because it started to hurt when I lay on my right side, and then it hurt no matter what position I was in. Next, I noticed that when I ate greasy or fatty foods I felt like my entire abdomen had turned to stone, and the pain in the area got worse. However if I ate sauerkraut or vinegar or something to 'cut' the fat it wasn't as much of a problem. So the doctor says I have cholistatis, and that I should avoid fatty foods. This makes sense, and because I was already aware of what seemed to me this cause and effect relationship I have been avoiding these foods on my own. But I'm still able to eat foods with Ricotta cheese for instance and other low fat foods. But doc wants me to be on a non-fat diet. This means no meat except fish and chicken w/o skin (I do this anyway). No nuts, fried food, cheese etc. I am allowed skim milk. She said I should avoid anything sweet (e.g. bananas). Also I must only have one serving of something high in carbohydrates a day ( potatoes, pasta, rice)! She said I can't even cook vegetables in a little bit of oil and that I should eat vegetables raw or steamed. I'm concerned because I understand you need to have some fat in your diet to help in the digestive process. And if I'm not taking in fat, is she expecting the baby will take it from my stores? And why this restriction on carbohydrates if she's concerned about fat? I'm not clear how much of her recommendation is based on my weight gain and how much on cholistatis, which I can't seem to find any information on. She originally said that I should only gain 20 pounds during the entire pregnancy since I was about 20 lbs overweight when I started. But my sister gained 60 lbs during her pregnancy and she's taken it all off and hasn't had any problems. She also asked if any members of my family were obese, which none of them are. Anyway I think she is overly concerned about weight gain, and feel like I'm being 'punished' by a severe diet. She did want to see me again in one week so I think she the diet may be temporary for that one week. What I want to know is how reasonable is this non-fat diet? I would understand if she had said low-fat diet, since I'm trying that anyway, even if she said really low-fat diet. I think she assumes I must be eating a high-fat diet, but really it is that because of the endometriosis and the operation I'm not able to use the energy from the food I do eat. Any opinions, info and experiences will be appreciated. I'm truly going stark raving mad trying to meet this new strict diet because fruits and vegetables go through my system in a few minutes and I'll end up having to eat constantly. Thus far I don't find any foods satisfying. Thanks G ";4;1 "From: yuanchie@aludra.usc.edu (Roger Y. Hsu) Subject: 14.4K Fax Modem for Sale Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu A slightly used (less than two months old) SupraFaxModem is for sale. It comes with latest ROM 1.2H, communication software, fax software, original manuals, and the original registration card. Here are some specs: Model # : SUPFAXV32BIS Description : SupraFaxModem V.32bis Type : Internal Data Speed : 14,400/12,000/9600/7200/4800/2400/1200/300 bps data (upto 57000bps with V.42 data compression) Protocols : Bell 103/212A,CCIT V.21/V.22/V.22bis/V.32/V.32bis/V.42/ : V.42bis, MNP 2-5, & MNP 10 Fax : 14,400/12,000/9600/7200/4800/2400 bps send/receive fax : Class 1 & 2 commnads : Group III compatible Transmission: V.17,V.29,V.27ter other : non-volatile memory; autoanswer/autodial (tone or pulse); extended AT commands and result codes; includes diagnostics, phone jacks, subscriptions to free online services. 5 year warranty. Asking : $180 (neg.) + S/H If interested, please e-mail. Thanks! ";-1;0 "From: gmich@is.morgan.com (George Michaels) Subject: NTSC and the Mac Nntp-Posting-Host: idt114 Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company Distribution: comp Lines: 21 A question in general about displaying NTSC through a Mac. If I understand correctly, the Video Spigot can display NTSC in a small window as well as capture the data in Quicktime format. However, if I want to use a larger window, what are my options? Perhaps I misunderstood the Video Spigot review... Also, I am not interested in Quicktime. I would merely like to use my Mac as a television from time to time. I have a nice Sony 1430 monitor, and I would like to use it as a second TV when my wife is watching sitcoms on our regular TV. Perhaps some of the video cards for the Mac accept NTSC input? I have a IIsi, and I am willing to buy a NuBus adapter. Thanks in advance for any help, George Micahels ";-1;0 "From: pes@hutcs.cs.hut.fi (Pekka Siltanen) Subject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves Nntp-Posting-Host: hutcs.cs.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr19.234409.18303@kpc.com> jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) writes: >In article , ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) writes: >|> I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double >|> point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. >|> >|> An algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated, > >There was a very useful article in one of the 1989 issues of >Transactions On Graphics. I believe Maureen Stone was one of >the authors. Sorry not to be more specific. I don't have the >reference here with me. Stone, DeRose: Geometric characterization of parametric cubic curves. ACM Trans. Graphics 8 (3) (1989) 147 - 163. Manocha, Canny: Detecting cusps and inflection points in curves. Computer aided geometric design 9 (1992) 1-24. Pekka Siltanen ";-1;0 "From: mlee@eng.sdsu.edu (Mike Lee) Subject: Post script viewer Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: eng.sdsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Hello, recently I have been printing out a lot of files on school's laser printer and feeling guilty about it. Please help me by showing me where to get a post script viewer for X-windows. Thank you for your help. A student trying to enhence his cybernatic ability. ";-1;0 "From: sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) Subject: Re: NEWS YOU WILL MISS, Apr 15 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >In article <1qun1aINNik5@aludra.usc.edu> sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) writes: >>arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes: >> >> >>> >>> Yigal et al, sue ADL >>> >> >>Why do you title this ""News you will miss"" ? >> >>There have been at least three front-page stories on it in the L.A. Times. >> >>I wouldn't exactly call that a media cover-up. >This may come as a surprise to you but there are a few americans who do not >read the LA Times. Is this the same Monolithic, Centrally Controlled Media that you're always talking about? Do you mean to tell me that the LA Times is the ONLY major paper to buck the Media Spiking Division's activities? >The Defamation League has done a first class job of damage control..in what >little is left of the world outside of LA. Assumption: When one major newspaper prints three or more articles on the front page regarding subject matter that is not strictly local, this is likely to be considered an open story, and not a coverup. Let's hear a roll call here. Anyone outside of the LA area seen articles on this? >js ___Samuel___ Mossad Special Agent ID314159 Media Spiking & Mind Control Division Los Angeles Offices (therefore, evidently, incompetent) -- _________Pratice Safe .Signature! Prevent Dangerous Signature Virii!_______ Guildenstern: Our names shouted in a certain dawn ... a message ... a summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning, where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it. ";-1;0 "From: ktt3@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Koon Tang) Subject: PostScript driver for GINO Organization: The Univerity of Brighton, U.K. Lines: 15 Does anybody know where I can get, via anonymous ftp or otherwise, a PostScript driver for the graphics libraries GINO verison 3.0A ? We are runnining on a VAX/VMS and are looking for a way outputing our plots to a PostScript file... Thanks in advance... -- Koon Tang, internet: ktt3@unix.bton.ac.uk Department of Mathematical Sciences, uucp: uknet!itri!ktt3 University of Brighton, Brighton, BN2 4GJ, U.K. ";-1;0 "From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Article-I.D.: earth.ls1v14INNjml Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu In article <12739@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: >In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes: >>In article Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes: >>>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful [...] >> >> Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and >>your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem. When I do it > >Really!? > >Methinks somethings wrong with _your_ bike. > >Perhaps you meant _pull_? > >Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left. > >It should. >REally. > >>on MY bike, I turn right. No wonder you need that FAQ. If I had it >>I'd send it. > >I'm sure others will take up the slack... > [...] >-- >Andy Infante | I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis | Oh, lord. This is where I came in. Obcountersteer: For some reason, I've discovered that pulling on the wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control. For example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive. Maybe I need psychological help. Obcountersteer v2.0:Anyone else find it ironic that in the weekend-and-a- night MSF class, they don't mention countersteering until after the first day of riding? ----- Tommy McGuire, who's going to hit his head on door frames the rest of the evening, leaning into those tight turns.... mcguire@cs.utexas.edu mcguire@austin.ibm.com ""...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information, identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."" ";-1;0 "From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com >: >>I almost got a hernia laughing at this one. >: >>If anything, SCSI (on a PC) will be obsolete-> killed off by Vesa Local >: >>Bus IDE. It must be real nice to get shafted by $20-$100 bucks for the >: >>extra cost of a SCSI drive, then pay another $200-$300 for a SCSI controller. First off, with all these huge software packages and files that they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit). Second, (rumor is) Microsoft recognizes the the importance of SCSI and will support it soon. I'm just not sure if it's on DOS, Win, or NT. At any rate, the deal is with Corel who makes (I hear) a good cohesive set of SCSI drivers. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | The Lost Los Angelino | ";5;1 "From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: [lds] Gordon's question on the Nicene Creed Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 28 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu Gordon Banks quoted and added... gb> In article gb> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes: gb> gb> > gb> > Christians have professed for more than 1660 years the Nicene gb> >Creed, a statement of beliefs drawn from the truths of Scripture gb> >that was officially accepted by a council of church bishops gb> >and leaders at Nicea in 325 A.D. Christians still recite gb> >this creed regularly in public worship. gb> > gb> gb> So prior to 325 AD there were no Christians? Or all of them really gb> believed the Nicean creed even before it was formulated? Do you gb> really believe such an absurdity? I'm afraid you do. No. I really don't. Honest. The Nicene Creed, as I mentioned above, is a brief statement of beliefs that are derived from Scripture. That this certain list did not exist earlier does not indicate that the beliefs summarized in in did not exist before the formula was derived. ============================= Robert Weiss psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu ";-1;0 "From: tedwards@wam.umd.edu (technopagan priest) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Nntp-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes: >Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of >encryption. True, but will traditional encryptions schemes, when further encrypted by Clipper, be _more_ vulnerable to attacks such as partially known plaintext? -Thomas ";-1;0 "From: jsmith@cs.dal.ca (Jeff Smith) Subject: Header for 89' Honda Civic Si Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.dal.ca Hello, I am looking to slightly increase the performance of my 89 Honda Civic Si. I was wondering if anyone could suggest upgrades that were not too drastic. I thought that one of the easiest upgrades would be a new header. Does anyone know what kind of increase that the header would give me? I think I would check with Jackson Racing for the part. Are there any other comparines would make Honda parts. Are there any other small changes that can be easily made and won't screw up the car. Things like new injectors?, new fuel injection chip etc? I would welcome any suggestions of small changes that would make a difference. I don't really want to change the cam etc because I have heard that it would be much harder on the engine. E-Mail relpies prefered please and I will post a summary of all the replies. Thanks for any help you may have to offer! -- Jeff Smith jsmith@cs.dal.ca Dalhousie University Halifax, NS ";-1;0 "From: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay) Subject: Lasers for dermatologists Originator: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: alcor.concordia.ca Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec Lines: 15 Having had limited tinea pedis for more than 30 years, and finding it resistant to ALL creams and powders I have tried, I wonder why dermatologists do not use lasers to destroy the fungus. It would seem likely to be effective and inexpensive. Are there good reasons for not using lasers? I was told that dermatology had not yet reached the laser age. John McKay vax2.concordia.ca -- Deep ideas are simple. Odd groups are even. Even simples are not. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Western Digital HD info needed From: oharad@wanda.waiariki.ac.nz Distribution: world Lines: 28 In article <9304172194@jester.GUN.de>, michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) writes: > Holly KS (cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca) wrote: >> My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with >> another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right >> on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ?? > > The ??-jumper is used, if the other drive a conner cp3xxx. > > no jumper set: drive is alone > MA: drive is master > SL: drive is slave yo,yo,yo . the western digital hd will hve it marked either s,m,a put jumper on the s ""its printed on the circuitry underkneth it. hope i helped i had the same problem. bye.. later daze. oharad@wanda.waiariki.ac.nz > > Michael > -- > * michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * > * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: x-rays Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 22 In article <1993Mar30.195242.8070@leland.Stanford.EDU> iceskate@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Lin) writes: > > First question - how bad is x-ray? i've heard that it's nothing >compared to the amount of time spent under the sun and i've also heard that it >is very harmful. second question - is there anyway out of this yearly test for >me? The yearly chest x-ray provides a minute amount of radiation. It is a drop in the bucket as far as increased risk is concerned. Who can tell you whether you can get out of it or not? No one here controls that. It may well be a matter of the law, in which case, write your legislator, but don't hold your breath. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: matthews@Oswego.EDU (Harry Matthews) Subject: Re: GETTING AIDS FROM ACUPUNCTURE NEEDLES Reply-To: matthews@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Harry Matthews) Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY Lines: 22 In article <1r4f8b$euu@agate.berkeley.edu> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: > > someone wrote in expressing concern about getting AIDS from acupuncture > needles..... > >Unless your friend is sharing fluids with their acupuncturist who >themselves has AIDS..it is unlikely (not impossible) they will get AIDS >from acupuncture needles. Generally, even if accidently inoculated, the normal >immune response should be enough to effectively handle the minimal contaminant >involved with acupuncture needle insertion. > Isn't this what HIV is about - the ""normal immune response"" to an exposure? >Most acupuncturists use disposable needles...use once and throw away. I had electrical pulse nerve testing done a while back. The needles were taken from a dirty drawer in an instrument cart and were most certainly NOT sterile or even clean for that matter. More than likely they were fresh from the previous patient. I WAS concerned, but I kept my mouth shut. I probably should have raised hell! Any comments? No excuses. ";-1;0 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 37 Robbie Po writes: >gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) says: >>> >>>I mean that the original poster was looking for a Devils victory >>>on the tape delay, and it didn't happen in game 1. >> >>I was the original poster, and it was just a complaint about the >>coverage (meaningless Yankee game before playoff Devils game). > >Oh! I apologize then...I misinterpreted you! No problem, no offence taken ... >Of all the teams in the Patrick, I least dislike the Devils. It is sad, just as a lover of the sport, that this team can be in the metro New York area for over a decade and still exist as just a non-entity ... >How is ESPN's coverage anyways??? I think it starts tonight. We're getting the Sabres-Bruins as the replacement game (and probably so are you) while the Devils-Penguins game is played on SCNY and the Islanders-Caps are the overflow game on the SCA (SCNY Plus). If the Sabres-Bruins ends early then we'll go to the Devils-Penguins game (assuming that ESPN follows their previous patterns; we got the last minute of the Islanders-Rangers and all of the overtime two weeks ago). ESPN's coverage started last night, by accident, but as one or more other writers have pointed out, they could've gone to wild hog wrestling for the evening instead ... gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";13;1 "From: billma@utoday.com (Bill Mallon) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Reply-To: billma@utoday.com (Bill Mallon) Organization: CMP Publications, Inc., Manhasset, NY Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339 @gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > Surrender your arms. Soon enough, > officers will be around to collect > them. Resistance is useless. They > ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^ > will overwhelm you - one at a time. Are you certain you didn't mean to post to alt.french.captain.borg.borg.borg? You'd better rush home...I hear Kruschev calling ""Come to papa, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu!"" ""I am endeavoring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit, using stone knives and bearskins."" --Spock - Humble Typesetter - ";-1;0 "From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 33 tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi"") writes: >>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. >>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to >>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five >>cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly >>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck >>in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she >>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and >>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live. The girl's OK, actually, and she recovered well enough to go home. I don't know if she has any permanent damage, though. Just in case anybody was concerned... >> >>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I >>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but >>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? >> >>Erik velapold If people start forcing others to take responsibility for their actions things like this wouldn't happen. Untill we stop blaming outside causes, and start blaming the criminals, we will continue to let things like this happen. -- Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu ******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** *""Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* *And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand""* ";-1;0 "From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: Foreign Media Reaction April 1-12, part 1 of 3 Lines: 84 Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de Organization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA In article <1993Apr13.234600.14061@r-node.hub.org>, ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) writes: |>Here is a press release from the United States Information Agency. |> |> Digest of Foreign Media Reaction from the United States Information |>Agency April 12 (1 of 3) |> To: National Desk |> Contact: Anne Chermak of the United States Information Agency, |> 202-619-6511 |> |> WASHINGTON, April 13 -- Following is part one |>of a digest of foreign media reaction from April 1-12, compiled |>by the United States Information Agency: |> |> TERRORISM AND WORLD INSECURITY |> |> In recent editorials, Iran was universally recognized as |>te source of the double threat of state-sponsored terrorism |>and Islamic extremism. But beyond this fear and condemnation, |>journalists found little common ground that would compel both |>North and South, and Arab and non-Arab nations to work together |>to combat the global threat of terrorism. For example, Egyptian |>and Algerian papers were in the forefront in charging U.S. complicity |>in the current instability in the Middle East. Those commentators |>asserted that the United States had promoted Islamic fundamentalism |>during the Afghanistan War and had further added to regional |>instability by alternately encouraging Iraq and Iran. The cads! The fact that this is precisely what the US was up to of course is not mentioned. It is a fact that Regan and Bush sold arms to Iran, it is also a fact that they supported and armed Iraq. Still this is state dept propaganda so none too surprizing. |> India's papers weighed the pros and cons of helping the West to |>identify Pakistan's role in promoting terrorism, noting on the one |>hand that doing so could ""bring ruination to Islamabad's Kashmir |>cause"" but, on the other, could also bring India's security apparatus |>uncomfortably close to the CIA and the Mossad. Arab papers continued |>to portray Iraq and Libya as being unfairly treated by the UN while |>Israel remains unpunished for resolutions which it has violated. In the case of Lybia there is the problem that the US only decided that Gadffii ordered the bombing after it needed to make peace with damascus during the gulf war. One day the US is certain that its Syria, the next Lybia. For a strange reason the US will not provide evidence to Lybian courts for extradition proceedings. Faced with similar demands the USA would reject them as would any other country. |> Concerning Northern Ireland, President Clinton's message of |>consolation to the victims of the Warrington bombing was seen in |>British tabloids as signalling a tougher stance by the American |>government against violence by the IRA. The word is ""terrorism"". The problem is that after the behaviour of George Bush the USA has an image abroad as doing precisely what it likes and is in its own interests then comming out with a Dysney scripted sugary justification repeating a fitting combination of the words ""freedom"" ""dignity"" ""democaracy"" or of ""terrorism"" ""dictatorship"" etc as appropriate. The USA could go quite far to mend the bridges with Iran. The people there are rather pissed off because the USA first supported the Shah who they loathed and then supported Saddam when he mounted an unprovoked attack. Hardly surprizing after the embassy hostage crisis but Iran is meant to be the country run by unreasonable bigots not the USA so if there is to be movement it would be easier for the USA to move. First off they could recognise Iraqu's responsibility in initiating the Iran/Iraq war. Providing technical assistance to Iran to get it's oil production back up to capacity would also be a smart move, at the moment Iran is above it's OPEC ceiling. If they had extra capacity they would use it and bring down the oild price further which is in our interests. The Iranian clerics would have an interest in seeking a raprochment simply because a permanent war footing is debilitating. They also need western technology. Phill Hallam-Baker ";-1;0 "From: jru@Comtech.com (Jimmy R. Upton) Subject: [Rubick] Shortest Path Algorithm - Status? Organization: Comtech Labs Inc. Lines: 25 What is the expected run time (+/- a factor of 10) on a 486DX/50 using the best known algorithm for finding the shortest path solution for Rubicks Cube from a randomly chosen position? I have read the FAQ and followed the recent discussion on Rubicks Cube but I don't believe this question has been answered. Notice that I am specifically looking for an algorithm that finds the SHORTEST path, not just any solution. It seems to me that the underlying assumption is that such a program would need to do a brute force search though 10^20 positions. That seems an unreasonably pessimistic assumption to me and I want to know if someone has significantly improved on that. I have some ideas of my own on how to approach this problem, but before I spend to much time developing them I wanted to know if someone else has already done the work. ADMINISTRIVIA: I have posted this to three groups and attempted to set the followup to rec.puzzles which seems to me to be the place to continue this discussion. I will cross post a summary when and if it becomes appropriate. Email replies gladly accepted. Jimmy jru@Comtech.com ";16;1 "From: fmg@alpha.smi.med.pitt.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: FAQ - corrections Summary: PCB correction, FTP site, etc Organization: Medical Informatics, Pittsburgh, PA USA Lines: 29 Greetings. I received a reply stating that unless someone else confirms that the following company is operating, I should remove it from my lst: >PCB Prototypes of Sandy, UT >Ronald Baker >8195 South 2660 East >Sandy, UT 84093 >Tel: [read below] This is from the COMM_PCB.FAQ (commercial PCB makers). Also, I don't have time to get the FAQ onto the sci.answers because of what I like to refer to is ""red tape"" - after the finals, I'll see what I can do... in the mean-time, anyone know of an FTP site that wouldn't mind a 250K file? :-) And last, I have some new entries for the SIMUSOFT list (mostly commercial/institutional stuff) but was wondering: should I keep the restrictions on the price of the software to be considered -> under $600 or should I include all those in 4 digit prices also? Take care. -- / Filip ""I'll buy a vowel"" Gieszczykiewicz. | Best e-mail ""fmgst+@pitt.edu"" \ | All ideas are mine but they can be yours for only $0.99 so respond NOW!!!! | | I live for my EE major, winsurfing, programming, SCA, and assorted dreams. | \ 200MB Drive - Linux has 100MB and MS-DOS has 100MB. MS-DOS is worried ;-) / ";-1;0 "From: lieuwen@allegra.att.com (Dan Lieuwen) Subject: Re: The obvious isn't politically correct. Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ Lines: 5 The last state church was in Massachusetts. Sam Adams, the patriot-brewmaster, during his tenure as governor after the Revolutionary War got it passed. I believe it was eliminated around 1820. dan ";-1;0 "From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU Subject: Re: 18 Israelis murdered in March Originator: hasan@haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 189 In article , flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: |> In article <1993Apr5.125419.8157@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: |> In article , flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: |> |> |> In article <1993Apr3.182738.17587@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: |> |> |> In article , flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: |> |> |> |> I get the impression Hasan realized he goofed and is now |> |> |> trying to drop the thread. Let him. It might save some |> |> |> miniscule portion of his sorry face. |> |> |> Not really. since i am a logical person who likes furthering himself |> |> from any ""name calling"", i started trashing any article that contains |> |> such abuses without responding to, and sometimes not even reading articles |> |> written by those who acquired such bad habits from bad company! |> [deleted stuff] |> well , ok. let's see what Master of Wisdom, Mr. Jonas Flygare, |> wrote that can be wisdomely responded to : |> |> Are you calling names, or giving me a title? If the first, read your |> paragraph above, if not I accept the title, in order to let you get into the |> um, well, debate again. I didnot know that ""Master of wisdom"" can be ""name clling"" too, unless you consider yourself deserve-less ! |> Master of Wisdom writes in <1993Mar31.101957@frej.teknikum.uu.se>: |> |> |> [hasan] |> |> |> [flax] |> |> |> |> [hasan] |> |> |> |> |> In case you didNOT know, Palestineans were there for 18 months. |> |> |> |> and they are coming back |> |> |> |> when you agree to give Palestineans their HUMAN-RIGHTS. |> |> |> |> |> Afterall, human rights areNOT negotiable. |> |> |> |> |> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the right to one's life _also_ |> |> |> |> a 'human right'?? Or does it only apply to palestinians? |> |> |> |> No. it is EVERYBODY's right. However, when a killer kills, then he is giving |> |> |> up -willingly or unwillingly - his life's right to the society. |> |> |> the society represented by the goverment would exercise its duty by |> |> |> depriving the killer off his life's right. |> |> |> So then it's all right for Israel to kill the people who kill Israelis? |> |> The old 'eye for an eye' thinking? Funny, I thought modern legal systems |> |> were made to counter exactly that. |> |> So what do you expect me to tell you to tell you, Master of Wsidom, |> ^^^ |> ------------------------------------------------------------------ |> If you insist on giving me names/titles I did not ask for you could at |> least spell them correctly. /sigh. That was only to confuse you! (ha ha ha hey ) |> when you are intentionally neglecting the MOST important fact that |> the whole israeli presence in the occupied territories is ILLEGITIMATE, |> and hence ALL their actions, their courts, their laws are illegitimate on |> the ground of occupied territories. |> |> No, I am _not_ neglecting that, I'm merely asking you whether the existance |> of Israeli citicens in the WB or in Gaza invalidates those individuals right ^^^^^^^ are you trying to retaliate and confuse me here. |> to live, a (as you so eloquently put it) human right. We can get back to the |> question of which law should be used in the territories later. Also, you have |> not adressed my question if the israelis also have human rights. First, my above statement doesnot say that ""the existence of israeli citizens in the WB revoke their right of life"" but it says ""the israeli occupation of the WB revoke the right of life for some/most its citizens - basically revokes the right of for its military men"". Clearly, occupation is an undeclared war; during war, attacks against military targets are fully legitimate. Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but they ask their goverment to protect it by withdrawing from the occupied terretories, not by further oppressing Palestinean human rights. |> What do you expect me to tell you, Master of Wisdom, when I did explain my |> point in the post, that you ""responded to"". The point is that since Israel |> is occupying then it is automatically depriving itself from some of its rights |> to the Occupied Palestineans, which is exactly similar the automatic |> deprivation of a killer from his right of life to the society. |> |> If a state can deprive all it's citizens of human rights by its actions, then |> tell me why _any_ human living today should have any rights at all? Because not all states are like Israel, as oppressive, as ignorant, or as tyrant. |> |> |> What kind of rights and how much would be deprived is another issue? |> |> |> The answer is to be found in a certain system such as International law, |> |> |> US law, Israeli law ,... |> |>[deleted, Jonas was throwing up-not for real so you can stick to the screen] |> |> |> It seems that the US law -represented by US State dept in this case- |> |> |> is looking to the other way around when violence occurs in occupied territories. |> |> |> Anyway, as for Hamas, then obviously they turned to the islamic system. |> |> |> And which system do you propose we use to solve the ME problem? |> |> The question is NOT which system would solve the ME problem. Why ? because |> any system can solve it. |> The laws of minister Sharon says kick Palestineans out of here (all palestine). |> |> I asked for which system should be used, that will preserve human rights for ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> all people involved. I assumed that was obvious, but I won't repeat that |> mistake. Now that I have straightened that out, I'm eagerly awaiting your |> reply. So you agree that that an israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights. (i am understanding this from your first statement in this paragraph). |> Joseph Weitz (administrator responsible for Jewish colonization) |> said it best when writing in his diary in 1940: |> ""Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both |> peoples together in this country.... We shall not achieve our goal |> ^^^ ^^^ |> of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. |> The only solution is a Palestine, at least Western Palestine (west of |> the Jordan river) without Arabs.... And there is no other way than |> to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to |> transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be |> left.... Only after this transfer will the country be able to |> absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out."" |> DAVAR, 29 September, 1967 |> (""Courtesy"" of Marc Afifi) |> |> Just a question: If we are to disregard the rather obvious references to |> getting Israel out of ME one way or the other in both PLO covenant and HAMAS |> charter (that's the english translations, if you have other information I'd |> be interested to have you translate it) why should we give any credence to |> a _private_ paper even older? I'm not going to get into the question if he |> wrote the above, but it's fairly obvious all parties in the conflict have |> their share of fanatics. Guess what..? Those are not the people that will |> make any lasting peace in the region. [more deleted stuff] Exactly, you are right. I guess that the problem is that the israeli goverment is full with men like Joseph Weitz. |> ""We"" and ""our"" either refers to Zionists or Jews (i donot know which). |> |> Well, i can give you an answer, you Master of Wisdom, I will NOT suggest the |> imperialist israeli system for solving the ME problem ! |> |> I think that is fair enough . |> |> No, that is _not_ an answer, since I asked for a system that could solve |> the problem. You said any could be used, then you provided a contradiction. Above you wrote that you understood what i meant (underlined by ^ ): any system can be used to solve the conflict , but not any system would resolve it JUSTLY. |> Guess where that takes your logic? To never-never land. You are proving yourself as a "" "". First you understood what i meant, but then you claim you didnot so to claim a contradiction in my logic. Too bad for you, the Master of Wisdom. |> ""The greatest problem of Zionism is Arab children"". |> -Rabbi Shoham. |> |> Oh, and by the way, let me add that these cute quotes you put at the end are |> a real bummer, when I try giving your posts any credit. Why do you feel ashamed by things and facts that you believe in , if you were a Zionists. If you believe in Zionist codes and acts, well i feel sorry for you, because the same Rabbi Shoham had said ""Yes, Zionism is racism"". If you feel ashamed and bothered by the Zionist codes, then drop Zionism. If you are not Zionist, why are you bothered then. You should join me in condemning these racist Zionist codes and acts. Hasan |> Jonas Flygare, ";-1;0 "From: mhald@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Mark Hald) Subject: Re: Dayton Hamfest Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 13 I booked a hotel (Red Roof Inn) last week in Cincinnati (Blue Ash, which is at the northern tip of the metro. Cincy area). I chose it for a few reasons. 1. All hotels in and near Dayton were booked solid. 2. This hotel is only costing $28/night. 3. It was one of about 4 rooms left on the night I reserved. 4. Cincinnati probably has more to to at night than Dayton. I intend to hit the riverboat entertainment at dusk! If anyone has other suggestions for nightlife, please let me know of other hot spots. Thanks! Mark ";-1;0 "From: schwenk@fred.cis.udel.edu (Peter A. Schwenk) Subject: Does Win3.1 use a math co-processor? Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.cis.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Lines: 6 If a PC has one, does Windows 3.1 use a math co-processor? I'm not talking about specific apps, but the OS (if you want to call it that) itself? Please respond by email. - Peter Schwenk (schwenk@cis.udel.edu) ";-1;0 "From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 21 dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes: >You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of >mass destruction? I find it hard to believe that you would support a >neighbor's right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve >gas on his/her property. That really depends upon where you draw the line while defining these weapons, and also on if you intend the law to be reflective of modern practice five months or five centuries down the road. I'll give you a little hint: see that manure pile in the farmer's field down the road? In the USA, that is a weapon of mass destruction, biological in nature, because if it gets washed into an open well it will contaminate the aquifers that supply thousands of cities with drinking water. So, where do *you* draw the line? In the USA, the EPA has ruled that a pile of scrap iron is illegal. Care to draw a thinner line this time? < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: X-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 61 In article mpoly@panix.com (Michael S. Polymenakos) writes: > Maybe with the availability of anon servers some people are beginning to >speak out? I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of Urartus, massacred and exterminated its population and presented to the world all those left from the Urartus, as the Armenian civilization. All reliable Western historians describe how Armenians ruthlessly exterminated 2.5 million Muslim women, children and elderly people of Eastern Anatolia and how they collaborated with the enemies of the Ottoman Empire between 1914-1920. It is unfortunately a truth that Armenians are known as collaborators of the Nazis during World War II and that, even today, criminal/Nazi members of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle preach and instigate racism, hatred, violence and terrorism among peoples. And x-Soviet Armenia continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following ways: 1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide in order to shift international public opinion away from its political responsibility. 2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle and criminal/Nazi Armenians, attempts to call into question the veracity of the Turkish Genocide. 3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests. 4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian. Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian government is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue. Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian government and its terrorist and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks to the struggle of those whose closest ones were systematically exterminated by the Armenians, the international wall of silence on this issue has begun to collapse, and consequently a number of governments and organizations have become supportive of the recognition of the Turkish Genocide. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy) Subject: Re: Can men get yeast infections? Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Distribution: na Lines: 25 In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >In article Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom) writes: > >>Here's a potentially stupid question to possibly the wrong news group, but. . >> >>Can men get yeast infections? Spread them? What kind of symptoms? >>Similar as women's? I have a yeast infection and my husband (who is a >>natural paranoid on a good day) is sure he's gonna catch it and keeps >>asking me what it's like. I'm not sure what his symptoms would be. . > >The answer is yes and no. I'm sure others on sci.med can expand on this. > >Jon I know from personal experience that men CAN get yeast infections. I get rather nasty ones from time to time, mostly in the area of the scrotum and the base of the penis. They're nowhere near as dangerous for me as for many women, but goddamn does it hurt in the summertime! Even in the wintertime, when I sweat I get really uncomfy down there. The best thing I can do to keep it under control is keep my weight down and keep cool down there. Shorts in 60 degree weather, that kind of thing. And of course some occasional sun. Lost Boy ";-1;0 "From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) Subject: More TV Info Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: lamar.acns.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 36 United States Coverage: Sunday April 18 N.J./N.Y.I. at Pittsburgh - 1:00 EDT to Eastern Time Zone ABC - Gary Thorne and Bill Clement St. Louis at Chicago - 12:00 CDT and 11:00 MDT - to Central/Mountain Zones ABC - Mike Emerick and Jim Schoenfeld Los Angeles at Calgary - 12:00 PDT and 11:00 ADT - to Pacific/Alaskan Zones ABC - Al Michaels and John Davidson Tuesday, April 20 N.J./N.Y.I. at Pittsburgh - 7:30 EDT Nationwide ESPN - Gary Thorne and Bill Clement Thursday, April 22 and Saturday April 24 To Be Announced - 7:30 EDT Nationwide ESPN - To Be Announced Canadian Coverage: Sunday, April 18 Buffalo at Boston - 7:30 EDT Nationwide TSN - ??? Tuesday, April 20 N.J.D./N.Y. at Pittsburgh - 7:30 EDT Nationwide TSN - ??? Wednesday, April 21 St. Louis at Chicago - 8:30 EDT Nationwide TSN - ??? ";13;1 "From: kfrank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kevin D Frank) Subject: NHL Team Items... Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 17 I live in the desolate MidWest (as far as hockey is concerned) and our ""sports"" stores around here carry VERY LITTLE hockey stuff, except for San Jose, Tampa Bay, L.A., Pittsburgh, and if you're lucky Chicago. I would like to know if anyone knows of any m,ail order, phone order stores that I might be able to get in contact with. I am dying for some real hockey stuff (hats, shirts, key chains, etc.) for some other teams (Edmonton, Montreal, etc.) so if you have any information, PLEASE e-mail me DIRECTLY. Most appreciated! Good luck to your teams in the Stanley Cup playoffs! GO EDMONTON (likely...NOT!!) Maybe next year... -- ""If you assult someone you get 5 years--In hockey, 5 minutes. Is this a great sport or what?!"" Kevin D. Frank kfrank@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ";-1;0 "From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Distribution: na Lines: 35 In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: > >What relevance are ALL homicides in this debate? What do you think gun >control advocates are saying: that if we get rid of all handguns we will >live in a homicide-free world? They sure make it sound like that. > >The issue is guns, not baseball bats. Even a simpleton knows that >he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat... >certainly of outrunning a bat-wielding assailant. > Even a simpleton knows a baseball bat is considered a deadly weapon. If one cannot run away (e.g. old, infirm, even middle-aged if the assailant is younger), a handgun is the most effective means of defense. You won't even have to fire a shot 98% of the time. >As for knives, see my earlier post. I'd much rather face a knife >than a gun, thanks. Fortunately, the best defense against a knife isn't >another knife. Anyone trained in unarmed self-defense won't have >much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife >assault (which probably means 99.9% of knife assailants). Any real streetfighter (and there are LOTS of them), with or without a knife, will kick the living sh** out of most people ""trained in unarmed self defense"". For the majority of people, a gun is the most effective form of self defense. Al [standard disclaimer] ";3;1 "From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Roe v. Wade Distribution: na Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 56 In article , chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes: > >> In article <15230@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # ## #I remain pro-choice, but when pro-choicers compare abortion in a # ## #clinic to a religious ritual in a church, you have to start wondering # ## #a bit if the pro-life criticism of abortion as modern human sacrifice # ## #doesn't have a grain of truth to it. # # #In article comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy writes: >>(1) You can not create hierarchy groups. There is no way to create a group >> in a group. (If you know how, please tell me.) Get Norton Desktop. Put groups within groups, groups on the desktop, icons on the desktop, etc. -- Chris Ruckman - ruckman@oasys.dt.navy.mil | This .sig brought to you by Hull Structures Acoustics, Code 741 | your local Chevrolet bottler. Carderock Division, NSWC | ";-1;0 "From: r4938585@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (Doug Roberts) Subject: Re: NL vs. AL? Organization: University of Arizona, Biotechnology, Tucson Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: joplin.biosci.arizona.edu Keywords: Game length Doug Roberts - Ken Hill for NL MVP!! Let's go 'Spos ";-1;0 "From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: University of Oulu, Finland Lines: 183 First, I thank collectively all people who have given good answers to my questions. In my follow-up to Jason Smith's posting, I will address some issues that have caused misunderstanding: Jason Smith (jasons@atlastele.com) wrote: > In article kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes: > I also concede that I was doubly remiss, as I asserted ""No reasonable > alternative exists"", an entirely subjective statement on my part (and one > that could be invalidated, given time and further discovery by the > scientist). I also understand that a proving a theory does not necessarily > specify that ""this is how it happened"", but proposes a likely description of > the phenomena in question. Am I mistaken with this understanding? Yes, to some degree. There was an excellent discussion in sci.skeptic on the nature of scientific work two weeks ago, I hope it did not escape your notice. The correct word is 'likely'. There is no way to be sure our models and theories are absolutely correct. Theories are backed up by evidence, but not proved - no theory can be 'true' in a mathematical sense. However, theories are not mere descriptions or rationalisations of phenomena. It is extremely important to test whether theories can _predict_ something new or not yet observed. All successful theories science has come up with have passed this test, including the Big Bang theory of cosmic evolution, the theory of natural selection etc. It does not mean they _must_ be correct, but they are not mere 'best fits' for the data. > = But if you claim that there must be > = an answer to ""how"" did the universe (our spacetime) emerge from > = ""nothing"", science has some good candidates for an answer. > All of which require something we Christians readily admit to: ``Faith''. Well, yes, if you want to _believe_ in them. This is not what science requires - take a good look at the theory and the evidence, see if the theory has made any successful predictions, and use your reason. Disbelievers are not punished. > The fact that there are several candidates belies that *none* are conclusive. > With out conclusive evidence, we are left with faith. This is what puzzles me - why do we need to have faith in _anything_? My fellow atheists would call me a weak atheist - someone who is unable to believe, ie, fails to entertain any belief in God. Yes, I know that one can't believe without God's help; Luther makes this quite clear in his letter to Erasmus. I'm afraid this does not change my situation. > [ a couple of paragraphs deleted. Summary: we ask ""Why does the > universe exist"" ] > = I think this question should actually be split into two parts, namely > = > = 1) Why is there existence? Why anything exists? > = > = and > = > = 2) How did the universe emerge from nothing? (deletions) > = The question ""why anything exists"" can be countered by > = demanding answer to a question ""why there is nothing in nothingness, > = or in non-existence"". Actually, both questions turn out to be > = devoid of meaning. Things that exist do, and things that don't exist > = don't exist. Tautology at its best. > Carefully examine the original question, and then the ""counter-question"". > The first asks ""Why"", while the second is a request for definition. No, it is not, although it does look like one. This is a true dichotomy, either something exists, or nothing exists. If nothing exists, nobody would ask why. If something exists, it is possible to ask why, but actually no existing being could give an answer. Imagine, for a moment, that the nobodies in non-existence could also ask: ""Why nothing exists?"" This is equivalent to my counter-question, ""why nothing exists in nothingness"". Now, ""why anything exists"" is equivalent to ""why something exists in somethingness"". _This_ is what I meant with my tautology, my apologies for the poor wording in my previous post. > I might add, the worldview of ""Things that exist do, and things that > don't...don't"" is as grounded in the realm of the non-falsifiable, > as does the theist's belief in God. It is based on the assumption > that there is *not* a reason for being, something as ultimately > (un)supportable as the position of there being a reason. Its very > foundation exists in the same soil as that of one who claims there *is* a > reason. I do indeed think there probably _is_ no reason for being, or existence, in general, for reasons I stated above. However, they will still leave open the question ""why this, and not that"", and this is where theistic explanations come in. Science cannot give reasons for any _particular_ human being's existence. > We come to this. Either ""I am, therefore I am."", or ""I am for a reason."" This is a deep philosophical question - is determinism true, or not? Also, is God deterministic or not? I tend to think this question has no meaning in His case. If I am for a reason, I've yet failed to see what it would be. From our perspective, it looks like 'I' exist for truly random reasons. I just rolled two dice - why did I get 6 and 1? How can I believe there is any better reason for my existence? > If the former is a satisfactory answer, then you are done, for you are > satisfied, and need not a doctor. If the latter, your search is just > beginning. Yes, I am satisfied with this reason, until I find something better. My 15 years of Christianity were of no help in this respect, I have to admit, but I am patient. > = Another answer is that God is the _source_ of all existence. > = This sounds much better, but I am tempted to ask: Does God > = Himself exist, then? If God is the source of His own existence, > = it can only mean that He has, in terms of human time, always > = existed. But this is not the same as the source of all existence. > This does not preclude His existence. It only seeks to identify His > *qualities* (implying He exists to *have* qualities, BTW). No, it doesn't, but I think an existing God cannot know why He exists, for an answer to this question is not knowable. Of course, this should not be any obstacle to belief in His existence. > I also have discovered science is an inadequate tool to answer ""why"". It > appears that M. Pihko agrees (as we shall see). But because a tool is > inadequate to answer a question does not preclude the question. Asserting > that 'why' is an invalid question does not provide an answer. It is impossible to know unknowable things. However, the question ""why do I exist, in particular"" is _not_ an invalid question - this is not what I said. But from our perspective, it is impossible to tell, and I can't just believe in any given explanation instead of another, especially since I found I was deluding myself. > My apologies. I was using why as ""why did this come to be"". Why did > pre-existence become existence. Why did pre-spacetime become spacetime. I think ""pre-existence"" is an oxymoron. There is no time 'outside' of this spacetime (except in some other universe), and from that perspective, our universe never was. It exists only for those who are inside it. > But we come to the admission that science fails to answer ""Why?"". Because > it can't be answered in the realm of modern science, does that make the > question invalid? No. The validity of the question has to be discussed separately; I think philosophy is of great help here. What can be known, and what is not knowable? > M. Pihko does present a good point though. We may need to ask ""What do I > as an individual Christian base my faith on?"" Will it be shaken by the > production of evidence that shatters our ""sacred cows"" or will we seek to > understand if a new discovery truly disagrees with what God *said* (and > continues to say) in his Word? This is a very good question. In trying to answer this, and numerous other questions that bothered me, I finally found nothing to base my faith on. I think it would be honest if we all asked ourselves, ""why do I believe"" or ""why I don't believe"". Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. ";-1;0 "From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: HLV for Fred (was Re: Prefab Space Station?) Article-I.D.: iti.1993Apr6.124456.14123 Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 22 In article jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes: >>[Titan III is the cheapest US launcher on a $/lb basis] >In that case it's rather ironic that they are doing so poorly on the commercial >market. Is there a single Titan III on order? They have a few problems. The biggest technical problem is the need to find two satellites going to the same rough orbit for a luanch. They also don't show much interest in commercial launches. There is more money to be made churning out Titan IV's for the government. After all, it isn't every day you find a sucker, er, customer who thinks paying three times the commercial rate for launch services is a good idea! Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Allen W. Sherzer | ""A great man is one who does nothing but leaves | | aws@iti.org | nothing undone"" | +----------------------71 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ ";2;1 "From: lcd@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Leon Dent) Subject: Re: MPEG for x-windows MONO needed. Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu On sunsite.unc.edu in pub/multimedia/utilities/unix find mpeg_play-2.0.tar.Z. I find for mono it works best as mpeg_play -dither threshold though you can use mpeg_play -dither mono Face it, this is not be the best viewing situation. Also someone has made a patch for mpeg_play that gives two more mono modes (mono2 and halftone). They are by jan@pandonia.canberra.edu.au (Jan Newmarch). And the patch can be found on csc.canberra.edu.au (137.92.1.1) under /pub/motif/mpeg2.0.mono.patch. Leon Dent lcd@umcc.umich.edu ";-1;0 "From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Plus minus stat Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 130 In j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) writes: >>If Gilmour was taken completely by surprise, as Gainey was, then >>yeah, I would have to say that Doug wasn't playing >>""technically"" smart hockey. In any case, to claim as Greg did, >>that Gainey *never* made a technical mistake is absolutely >>ludicrous. > >Later on, in your posting, you make reference to ""putting words >into other people's mouths""...I would suggest that your last >paragraph can only be interpreted in one way...namely, that I, >along with Greg, claim that Gainey never made a technical >mistake. If you actually read what I've written, you will find >that I make no such claim...soooo, if logic serves me well, >you're contradicting yourself. Nonsense. I quite clearly state that it was Greg that made the claim that Gainey never made an error. And he made the claim. Read below. From rec.sport.hockey Thu Apr 15 21:22:49 1993 From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Message-ID: <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> [nonsense deleted] Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment. He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you ever watch him play? He never made a technical error. [more nonsense deleted] >>Good for you. You'd only be displaying your ignorance of >>course, but to each his own... > >Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think ""ignorance"" is really a >function of ""a lack of knowledge"" and not ""formulating an >opinion""...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by all >means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better. To knowledgeable observers of the game my meaning is obvious. Your hockey education is not my responsibility. >My word, such vehemence against poor ol' Bob Gainey. Why does >he bother you so much...he was an effective player for his style >of play. He was just another player. To laud him as anything more I find bothersome. I hated the Habs. I hated Lafleur until I realized that he was likely the most aesthetically pleasing player to ever skate in my lifetime. Why would anyone talk about Gainey? >>go around. Who would you rather have as your ""checking"" >>centre? Doug Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would >>take either Gretzky or Mario as my ""checking"" centres. Do you >>think Gretzky could cover Bob Gainey? >I'm really sorry Roger, but you have lost me completely here. >Why don't you ask me if I would rather have Jesus Christ, >himself, in nets? Did he play hockey at a high level? Was he any good? If not, why would you bother to bring JC up? I am talking about hockey players here. If you can't follow the conversation don't follow up. As I said previously, it is not my responsibility to educate you. >Now, if you were to compare, say for example, Bob Gainey with Guy >Carbonneau, you would have a balanced comparison. Sure. Two journeymen. Big deal. Neither one of them is worth discussing. >I'm wrong AGAIN...hmmm, let's see...where was I wrong in the >>>I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter. >first place? I'm only guessing here, Rog, but I have a feeling >that you've setup a ""You're wrong again"" macro key on your >machine. That is an excellent idea and if I decide to waste any more time responding to any of your, or Greg's, postings then I will be sure to implement that very macro. >I would suggest that your comment: ""And when the press runs out >of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to hype >the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob >Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, >Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, Dick >Duff...and so on..."" demonstrates a blanket disregard for these >individuals as contributors to the game...so yes, settle >down...nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods. Tarasov claimed that Gainey was a ""hockey god."" And Greg ate it up. And that is what this thread is all about. If you didn't know that then why are you responding? And as for ""blanket disregard for these individuals"", I can remember Leaf teams, purely populated by such ""individuals"", winning four Stanley Cups. Teams. No one ran around telling us that George Armstrong was the best hockey player in the world. >>>congenially, as always, >>> >>>jd >>> >>>-- >>>James David >>>david@student.business.uwo.ca > >>You might consider developing your own style. After all, >>imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and I am quite sure >>that flattery is not your intention. > >C'mon...it has a nice ring to it...and admit it, you had a good >laugh. Right. I had to get to the end of your posting before I realized you were a complete joke. In the future, if you are going to respond to my postings I would appreciate it if you could present a cogent argument supported by facts gleaned from a version of reality that most of the rest of us would recognize. cordially, as always, rm -- Roger Maynard maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Cop kills teenager From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) Organization: Harvard University Science Center Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu Lines: 43 .ACNS.ColoState.EDU> holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: > SUSPENDED POLICE OFFICER ARRESTED IN REVENGE TRIPLE HOMICIDE > >PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) -- A police officer afraid he would be fired for >allegedly assaulting a teen-ager walked into an auto body shop wher the youth >worked, said ""You're going to die"" and fatally shot him and two others, police >said. >A fourth youth was wounded. A fifth escaped injury by hiding under a car. >Suspended police officer Robert Sabetta, 23, of Cranston, was arrested at >gunpoint over three hours after the shooting at Wilson's Auto Enterprises in >Foster, a rural town of about 4,000 people in northwest Rhode Island. > Doug Holland > I think I have updated info on this. My understandingis that former officer Cranston approached a teenager who was being questioned by another officer. Officer Cranston struck Teenager A in the head with a heavy police flashlight, causing a significant, though not life-threatening. THere is no evidence that Teenager A was doing anything threatening at the time. Teenager A was released on bail/recognizance and filed a formal complaint against Officer Cranston. The Police Chief suspended Cranston pending an investigation into the use of excessive force. The above is pretty clear... but what seems to have happened is this. The Chief requested Cranston's gun, but Cranston refused to turn it over until the Chief went the Cranston's home to get it. Sources said Cranston had always wanted to be a cop and was very afraid of loosing his job because of the complaint against him. A few days afterward, Cranston allegedly walked into Wilson's Garage, where Teenager A and friends were known to hang out and work on cars as a hobby. Cranston fatally shot Teenager A as well as TEenagers B and C. Teenager D was shot once in the shoulder/chest. Teenager E was working under the car and was not noticed by Officer Cranston. Teenager D went to a home and summoned police, who went to Wilson's Garage and found the 3 corpses and one unscathed survivor. A few days after his arrest, Officer Cranston attemped to commit suicide in his cell. -Case Kim ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: eye dominance Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 16 In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: > >Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an >overall right-handedness in the population? I mean do most >people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the >other? If so, what kinds of percentages can be attached to this? There is eye dominance same as handedness (and usually for the same side). It has nothing to do with refractive error, however. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: DJCOHEN@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Daniel Cohen) Subject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650 Nntp-Posting-Host: yalevm.ycc.yale.edu Organization: Yale University Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.181440.15490@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: >I've noticed an interesting phenomenon on my Centris 650. If I unplug the >keyboard and mouse and plug them in again without turning the power off, >the mouse suddenly switches to about half its normal movement speed. I check >the ""Mouse"" control panel, and there's no change in its setting there--it's >still on full speed, the way I like it. Restarting the machine restores the >normal mouse speed. > >By the way, it happens with both the newer-style mouse that came with the >Centris, and the older-style mouse from my IIfx at work. Thus I don't think >it has anything to do with the resolution setting in the mouse--it's >definitely a quirk of the ADB interface (either hardware or software) in the >Centris itself. I have noticed this exact same phenomenon occurs with my LCIII. Perhaps it is a quirk of the new machines? --Dan ";-1;0 "From: brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran) Subject: Re: ESPN/TBS GAMES? Article-I.D.: meaddata.1pptv1$mgb Distribution: world Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: taurus.meaddata.com In article <05APR93.13661642.0023@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: |> Does anyone know where I can get a list of nationally televised |> games, such as ESPN and TBS? I live on the East coast and I'd |> like to catch as many Giants games as I possibly can! This list is published every week in Baseball Weekly. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Curran Mead Data Central brian@meaddata.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""That was not swimming. That was bathing."" - A German reporter, after watching 1972 Olympic superstar swimmer Mark Spitz get badly beaten during a 1991 comeback race ";-1;0 "From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Successful Balloon Flight Measures Ozone Layer Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 96 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Forwarded from: PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. (818) 354-5011 Contact: Mary A. Hardin FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 15, 1993 #1506 Scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory report the successful flight of a balloon carrying instruments designed to measure and study chemicals in the Earth's ozone layer. The April 3 flight from California's Barstow/Daggett Airport reached an altitude of 37 kilometers (121,000 feet) and took measurements as part of a program established to correlate data with the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS). The data from the balloon flight will also be compared to readings from the Atmospheric Trace Molecular Spectroscopy (ATMOS) experiment which is currently flying onboard the shuttle Discovery. ""We launch these balloons several times a year as part of an ongoing ozone research program. In fact, JPL is actively involved in the study of ozone and the atmosphere in three important ways,"" said Dr. Jim Margitan, principal investigator on the balloon research campaign. ""There are two JPL instruments on the UARS satellite,"" he continued. ""The ATMOS experiment is conducted by JPL scientists, and the JPL balloon research provides collaborative ground truth for those activities, as well as data that is useful in its own right."" The measurements taken by the balloon payload will add more pieces to the complex puzzle of the atmosphere, specifically the mid-latitude stratosphere during winter and spring. Understanding the chemistry occurring in this region helps scientists construct more accurate computer models which are instrumental in predicting future ozone conditions. The scientific balloon payload consisted of three JPL instruments: an ultraviolet ozone photometer which measures ozone as the balloon ascends and descends through the atmosphere; a submillimeterwave limb sounder which looks at microwave radiation emitted by molecules in the atmosphere; and a Fourier transform infrared interferometer which monitors how the atmosphere absorbs sunlight. Launch occurred at about noontime, and following a three- hour ascent, the balloon floated eastward at approximately 130 kilometers per hour (70 knots). Data was radioed to ground stations and recorded onboard. The flight ended at 10 p.m. Pacific time in eastern New Mexico when the payload was commanded to separate from the balloon. ""We needed to fly through sunset to make the infrared measurements,"" Margitan explained, ""and we also needed to fly in darkness to watch how quickly some of the molecules disappear."" It will be several weeks before scientists will have the completed results of their experiments. They will then forward their data to the UARS central data facility at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland for use by the UARS scientists. The balloon was launched by the National Scientific Balloon Facility, normally based in Palestine, Tex., operating under a contract from NASA's Wallops Flight Facility. The balloon was launched in California because of the west-to-east wind direction and the desire to keep the operation in the southwest. The balloons are made of 20-micron (0.8 mil, or less than one-thousandth of an inch) thick plastic, and are 790,000 cubic meters (28 million cubic feet) in volume when fully inflated with helium (120 meters (400 feet) in diameter). The balloons weigh between 1,300 and 1,800 kilograms (3,000 and 4,000 pounds). The scientific payload weighs about 1,300 kilograms (3,000) pounds and is 1.8 meters (six feet) square by 4.6 meters (15 feet) high. The JPL balloon research is sponsored by NASA's Upper Atmosphere Research Program and the UARS Correlative Measurements Program. ##### ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation | instead. ";-1;0 "From: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) Subject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves Reply-To: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc. Lines: 20 In article , ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) writes: |> I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double |> point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. |> |> An algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated, There was a very useful article in one of the 1989 issues of Transactions On Graphics. I believe Maureen Stone was one of the authors. Sorry not to be more specific. I don't have the reference here with me. The article actually was more general than this, giving a way to decide whether a given (cubic) Bezier curve contains cusps, intersection points or whatever wierdness. The same treatment is also available in SIGGRAPH 89 course notes for the course called ""Math for Siggraph"" or something like that. -- dr memory jbulf@kpc.com ";-1;0 "From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) Subject: Re: Help building X11R5 with gcc Keywords: X11R5, gcc Nntp-Posting-Host: eos6c02.ericsson.se Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr6.024257.8480@etrog.se.citri.edu.au> tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Tim Liddelow) writes: |> Can people please send me any hints on building X11R5 with gcc 2.3.3 ? Is |> there any pitfalls to be avoided ? Any hints ? I would appreciate hearing other |> peoples' stories on this. I have been building X11 with gcc since 2.1 and the only time I had trouble was when the position independant code option broke (so I couldn't use gcc to build Sun shared libraries). The important thing to do is to follow the tips given in the gcc release. Gcc generates code that requires libgcc2 and you should take that into account when deciding which compiler to use for the libraries. -- Michael Salmon #include #include #include Ericsson Telecom AB Stockholm ";-1;0 "From: wiggins@cecer.army.mil (Don Wiggins) Subject: Re: Top Ten Responses to Ed's Top Ten Lists Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs Lines: 16 >>roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >> >>The real question: Should the Feds bail-out Steve Jobs & NeXT (a la Chrysler) >>so that important manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost? ""...a la Chrysler""?? Okay kids, to the nearest thousand, how many dollars did the government spend to ""bail out"" Chrysler? More than zero you say? Bzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer. |===========================================================================| |Don Wiggins, German-Irish-American | Success is getting what you want. | | & Lead Scout for the Baby Boomers | Happiness is wanting what you get. | |Internet: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu | -- Brother Dave Gardner | |===========================================================================| ";-1;0 "From: trb3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tony R. Boutwell) Subject: HOT NEW 3D Software Keywords: Imagine,3d Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 20 There is a new product for the (IBM'ers) out there... it is called IMAGINE and it just started shipping yesterday... I can personally attest that it will blow the doors off of 3D-Studio. It is made by IMPUlSE, and is in its 3rd version....(1st) for the IBM.... it can do morphing, your standard key-framming animation, it is a raytracer (reflections & shadows), and can do/apply special FX to objects... (like ripple, explode, bounce) things of that nature. Also it has algorithmic texture maps....and your standard brushmapping also... you can have animated brushmaps...(ie. live video mapped on the objs)... also animated backdrops (ie. live video backgrounds) also animted reflections maps.... you get the idea.... it will run for about 500$ retail (I think)... dont let the low price fool you.... this product can do it all when it comes to 3D-animation and Renderering...! also....does anyone here know how to get in the Imagine mailing list?? please e-mail me if you do or post up here.... oh...the number for IMPULSE is --->1 800 328 0184 trb3@ra.msstate.edu ";1;1 "From: begolej@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (James Begole) Subject: Wincmd - trouble with string variables Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 19 Has anyone else been playing with that wincmd utility from PC Magazine? If so, I am having trouble concatenating string variables together and need your help. For example: temp = ""path"" temp2 = ""file.ext"" fullpath = temp+""/"" say fullpath // output = 'th/' fullpath = fullpath+temp2 say fullpath // output = 'h/file.ext' So, it seems to be dropping the first few characters with each concatenations. Is it that I am out of memory -- I only have maybe 20 variables total -- the article didn't mention memory limits. email me if you have an idea or would like to see the actual source and output. Thanks for your help. -Bo -- --James ""Bo"" Begole begolej@csgrad.cs.vt.edu ";-1;0 "From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr18.183148.4802@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: > I think ""house Jews,"" a reference to a person of Jewish >ancestry who issues statements for a company or organization that >condemn Judaism is perfectly sufficeint. I believe that CPR is himself such a ""house Jew"". -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. ";-1;0 "From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies Distribution: usa Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 111 In article <1993Apr14.164549.24069@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes: > In article <15342@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # # # And now those ""other options"" don't exist. We probably agree on this # # # more than you think--welfare was invented to solve a problem of the # # # 30's, but the poverty is now so much worse, and our economic infra- # # # structure has been so eroded, that it just can't keep up any more. # # # You mean, since your philosophy took over, the economy has almost # # collapsed. # # Excuse me, *my* philosophy? You don't have any idea what *my* philosophy # is. The American economy has had its ups and downs through a number of # prevailing economic philosophies. But then, economics is hardly a science. In my lifetime, your philosophy -- socialism masquerading as a liberal welfare state -- has been in ascendancy. # No, I mean exactly what I wrote--the welfare system of the New Deal is # wholly inadequate to cope with the current state of affairs. Absolutely. So the response of socialists is take us even further into socialism. # # # # # (2) Whether or not the fathers work # # # # # is not germane to single mothers. # # # # # Very true. But the promotion of casual sexuality is something that # # # # plays a part in the single mother problem. # # # # I'll buy that--and there's lots of reasons for it, extremely far down on # # # the list being the flash-in-the-pan media attention a bunch of middle- # # # class dropouts got for their philosophy and experimentation. # # # Flash-in-the-pan? No, your subculture has utterly dominated the # # TV and movie industries for two decades now. # # *My* subculture? My, we're getting personal. The only subculture I see # dominating the TV and movie industries is *money*. If you'll buy it, # they'll sell it. And as recent movements to boycott TV advertisers have # shown, they're *very* sensitive about what sells. Whatever happened to # personal responsibility, anyway? Or am I personally responsible for # the decline in that, too? To the extent that people have been encouraged to NOT be responsible for themselves, yes. # # # # Come on. You and I both know that the major problem of this society # # # # today isn't a lack of employment, it's a lack of people willing to work. # # # # Huh??? Tell that to the single mother I know who was laid off from # # # her $10/hour job at a hospital and now works 2 full-time minimum- # # # wage jobs to barely be able to support herself and her kid. *Barely.* # # # Hey, she's too proud to go on public assistance, but the only jobs # # # she can find are menial and with no benefits. And no career path # # # either--they find excuses to lay people off and hire new ones rather # # # than give raises and perks. And why not? It's a lot cheaper. # # # Oddly enough, all the unskilled or semiskilled people I know manage # # to find employment almost immediately. Maybe she needs to move to a # # cheaper part of the country, where jobs are plentiful, and the cost # # of living is lower. # # The west side of Chicago is about as cheap as it gets--squalor city. # Tell me about all these places where it's cheap to live and jobs are # abundant--I'll pass them on. Sonoma County. # You live in a strange and wondrous place, sir. Inexpensive housing, Not exactly cheap, but not Los Angeles, either. # lots of employment, and utterly surrounded by socialists. Well, I suppose # that's the sort of environment that would attract socialists, or at least # not dissuade them. No, it's that areas with a lot of wealthy breed socialists -- all the spoiled rich kids, feeling guilty about their wealth. But not guilty enough to give it away -- they just look for politicians to take MY more limited wealth away. # # # I see a lot of people willing--nay, eager--to work. What I don't see # # # is a system that makes it at all feasible to do so. It's not just # # # welfare, which nobody enjoys, but there just aren't the jobs any more. # # # When the US was expanding industrial capacity there was always a mill # # # to go work in--skills to learn, a future. Now there's only McDonalds. # # # Odd. Not the experience of anyone I know. Just the opposite. # # In California??? Yup. # # # Mr. Cramer, I was there: Hippiedom was a very low-budget operation. # # # Our drugs were cheap. # # # The money I was referring to was Aid to Families with Druggie # # Cohabitators (AFDC). # # Well, I doubt that much of this goes to drugs--there isn't much left after # buying food, and there is very little in the first place. Sure, you read # about such cases now and then, but that's what makes them news. Show me # your statistics about AFDC abuse. I can tell you that relatives I have known, the drugs came first, the food was secondary. # Ken Perlow ***** ***** -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. ";-1;0 "From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) Subject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept. Lines: 30 In article <22APR199300513566@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes: >>Are you aware that there is an arms embargo on all of what is/was >>Yugoslavia, including Bosnia, which guarantees massive military >>superiority of Serbian forces and does not allow the Bosnians to >>try to defend themselves? >Should we sell weapons to all sides, or just the losing one, then? Ending an embargo does not _we_ must sell anything at all. >If the Europeans want to sell weapons to one or both sides, they are welcome >as far as I'm concerned. You seem to oppose ending the embargo. You know, it is difficult for Europeans to sell weapons when there is an embargo in place. >I do not automatically accept the argument that Bosnia is any worse than >other recent civil wars, say Vietnam for instance. The difference is it is >happening to white people inside Europe, with lots of TV coverage. But if this was the reason, and if furthermore both sides are equal, wouldn't all us racist Americans be favoring the good Christians (Serbs) instead of the non-Christians we really seem to favor? -- ""On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait) Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) ";-1;0 "From: sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) Subject: Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK Lines: 28 In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: >In sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: > >|I have to disagree. You do not take your logic far enough. > >|True, man did not invent the need for food, shelter, warmth and the ilk, >|but man did invent the property laws and the laws of trespass. > >I guess Xavier has never heard of territoriality in animals. Many animals, >especially preditors will stake out a territory and chase of any members of >the same species that tries to invade their territory. Yes, I have! Wasn't there a case of a single lion ruling all the land from South Africa up to Egypt across to the congo? If my memory serves me correctly there was enough game to feed some 100,000 or more lions but he wouldn't let the other lions hunt as he wanted it all himself. He died of a heart attack brought on by being overweight. Good thing too as he had designs on Europe, America (north and south), and the Falkland Islands. >Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com Xavier. ";-1;0 "From: janet@ntmtv.com (Janet Jakstys) Subject: Exercise and Migraine Nntp-Posting-Host: pegasus Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA Lines: 24 We were talking about Migraine and Exercise (I'm the one who can't fathom the thought of exercise during migraine...). Anyway, turning the thread around, the other day I played tennis during my lunch hour. I'm out of tennis shape so it was very intense exercise. I got overheated, and dehydrated. Afterwards, I noticed a tingling sensation all over my head then about 2 hours later, I could feel a migraine start. (I continued to drink water in the afternoon.) I took cafergot, but it didn't help and the pain started although it wasn't as intense as it usually is and about 9pm that night, the pain subsided. This isn't the first time that I've had a migraine occur after exercise. I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same experience and I wonder what triggers the migraine in this situation (heat buildup? dehydration?). I'm not giving up tennis so is there anything I can do (besides get into shape and don't play at high noon) to prevent this? Thanks, -- ********************************************************************** Janet Jakstys UUCP:{ames,mcdcup}!ntmtv!janet Northern Telecom INTERNET:janet@ntmtv.com Mtn. View, CA. ********************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: mps1@cec1.wustl.edu (Mihir Pramod Shah) Subject: Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing Article-I.D.: wuecl.1993Apr6.074352.15514 Distribution: na Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 43 Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 In article <1993Apr1.230642.5207@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes: > > I am the person who started out this subject. > > To me, the question really is not about dealer profit but the > amount of money for the type of car. I've settled with a > new 92 Subaru Wagon with the similar amount of money a Saturn > dealer asked for a SW1. OK, I know it's a 92 model, but I think > I got a better car (though I have to adjust my initial idea of > why I am getting a new car). > > Today, during a conversion with a friend, I learned he rejected > a Saturn for a Ford Tarurs; as it only costed him a little bit more > than a SL2. I may be wrong, but a loaded Tarus beats a Saturn SL2. I agree that a fully-loaded SL2 would come close in price to a LOWER-END Ford Taurus. A FULLY-LOADED Taurus, on the other hand, would still be substantially more expensive than even the most glitzy SL2. A fully loaded SL2 would run somewhere around $17,000, while a fully loaded Taurus LX would be somewhere around the $22,000-$23,000 range. A base Taurus (GL I believe) might start around $15,000. Of course there is the Taurus SHO which can push $30,000 if you really try, but this is a totally different car than your mainstream Taurus sedan. Your statement was not entirely faulty, just a little inaccurate. > > I can't see Saturn is of better value and that is why I was puzzled > by its pricings. Oh, we did not spend much time getting our deals; > being better informed has its advantages. Well, that's ok. At least you're not bitching about dealer profits like some of the other netters are. You seem to have rationally picked out the car that is best for you. The Loyale is an aging design that is about to be replaced by the Impreza wagon, so you probably got a good deal on one of the last ones. > > Then again, I may be wrong. > >Yung-Kao Hsu > Mihir Shah mps1@cec1.wustl.edu ";10;1 "From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 47 In article 1qmtd1INNr1l@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca, gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes: I think Jagr did he probably had a better point per minute ice time- stats don't exist to properly analyze this and he had a substancially better +/-. > Actually, what I think has become more evident, is that you are determined to > flaunt your ignorance at all cost. Jagr did not have a better season than > Francis ... to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of > hockey knowledge. Save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty > plus/minus ... it is the most misleading hockey stat available. > > Until the NHL publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice > time per game and some measure of its ""quality"" (i.e., is the player put out > in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game; is he matched up > against the other team's top one or two lines; short-handed, etc), I would > much rather see the +/- disappear altogether instead of having its dubious > merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications. +/- is a useful statistic. If a player is on the ice when his team scores a lot of goals and only allows a few goals, he must be doing something right. It is especially useful to compare between teammates- as they play for the same team and should have roughly similar +/- ratings if they are equally good players. It can be adjusted- with varying degrees of success to compare between players on different teams. I agree it would be nice for the NHL to keep more statistics- but how useful are the ones that you suggest?? Total ice time would be very useful- it is a missing stat in Jagr vs Francis arguments from before. Somehow measuring the quality of ice time as you suggest would be useless. It would be a better stat for evaluating coaching- ie are the players given quality ice time actually their talented ones? A very good player could be given low amounts of quality ice time because of team depth or a stupid coach who doesn't recognize his talent and a very bad player could be given lots of quality ice time because of a lack of team depth or a stupid coach that thinks he is an effective player. This stat would be much more flawed than +/- and almost no conclusions could be drawn regarding player talent. +/- is a useful stat. It is quite useful in evaluating player talent. You are the one displaying ignorance because of your unwillingness to see that being on the ice when goals are scored but not when they are allowed is a very positive thing- and should be evaluated as such. Gregmeister ";-1;0 "From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Radical Agnostic... NOT! Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 51 [reply to zazen@austin.ibm.com (E. H. Welbon)] >>> There is no means that i can possibly think of to prove beyond doubt >>>that a god does not exist (but if anyone has one, by all means, tell me >>>what it is). Therefore, lacking this ability of absolute proof, being an >>>atheist becomes an act of faith in and of itself, and this I cannot accept. >>> I accept nothing on blind faith. >>Invisible Pink Flying Unicorns! Need I say more? >...I harbor no beliefs at all, there is no good evidence for god >existing or not. Some folks call this agnosticism. It does not suffer >from ""blind faith"" at all. I think of it as ""Don't worry, be happy"". For many atheists, the lack of belief in gods is secondary to an epistemological consideration: what do we accept as a reliable way of knowing? There are no known valid logical arguments for the existence of gods, nor is there any empirical evidence that they exist. Most philosophers and theologians agree that the idea of a god is one that must be accepted on faith. Faith is belief without a sound logical basis or empirical evidence. It is a reliable way of knowing? There is probably nothing else most people would accept in the absence of any possibility of proof. Even when we agree to take someone elses word ""on faith"", we just mean that having found this person to be reliable in the past, we judge him likely to be a reliable source now. If we find faith less reliable than logic and empirical evidence everywhere else, why assume it will provide reliable knowledge about gods? The difference between the atheist and the theist is fundamentally then one of whether or not faith is held to be a reliable way of knowing, rather than, as some agnostic posters would have it, whether ones faith is in gods or no gods. The theist believes that faith is an acceptable basis for a belief in gods, even if he rejects faith as reliable at other times, for example in his work as a scientist. The atheist believes that only logic and empirical evidence lead to reliable knowledge. Agnosticism seems to me a less defensible position than theism or atheism, unless one is a sceptic in regards to all other knowledge. Without evidence, why should we believe in gods rather than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny? I would also like to point out as others have that the atheist doesn't require absolute knowledge of the lack of gods. I don't believe that there is any such thing as absolute knowledge. Atheism is the best and simplest theory to fit the (lack of) facts and so should be held until contrary evidence is found. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell ";9;1 "From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols) Subject: Re: Detroit Playoff Tradition Keywords: Octopi Organization: SPSS Inc. Lines: 24 In article <16APR199314443969@reg.triumf.ca> lange@reg.triumf.ca (THREADING THE CANADIAN TAPESTRY) writes: >Way back in the early years (~50's) it took 8 wins to garner the Stanley Cup. >Soooooo, a couple of local fish mongers (local to the Joe Louis Arena, that is) >started the tradition of throwing an octopi onto the ice with every win. After >each victory, one leg would be severed before the octopus found its way to the >ice. (They are dead by the way.) It was a brilliant marketing strategy to >shore up the demand for one of their least popular products. > >Hope this helps. > >J. Lange > Local to the Joe Louis Arena? You mean local to Olympia Stadium, where Red Wings games were played until fairly recently (early 80s comes to mind). As far as I know, the rest of the post is basically correct. If what you meant by local was simply Detroit and I'm being incredibly picky, okay, sorry about that. -- David Nichols Senior Statistical Support Specialist SPSS, Inc. Phone: (312) 329-3684 Internet: nichols@spss.com Fax: (312) 329-3657 ******************************************************************************* Any correlation between my views and those of SPSS is strictly due to chance. ";13;1 "From: lowell@locus.com (Lowell Morrison) Subject: Re: Freemasonry and the Southern Baptist Convention Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California Lines: 41 In article <1qv82l$oj2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: > > > With the Southern Baptist Convention convening this June to consider >the charges that Freemasonry is incompatible with christianity, I thought >the following quotes by Mr. James Holly, the Anti-Masonic Flag Carrier, >would amuse you all... > > > The following passages are exact quotes from ""The Southern >Baptist Convention and Freemasonry"" by James L. Holly, M.D., President >of Mission and Ministry To Men, Inc., 550 N 10th St., Beaumont, TX >77706. > > ""Jesus Christ never commanded toleration as a motive for His >disciples, and toleration is the antithesis of the Christian message."" >Page 30. > > ""The central dynamic of the Freemason drive for world unity >through fraternity, liberty and equality is toleration. This is seen >in the writings of the 'great' writers of Freemasonry"". Page 31. > I hope you all had a good laugh! I know *I* did! , > > >Tony A Laugh? Tony, this religeous bigot scares the shit out of me, and that any one bothers to listen to him causes me to have grave doubts about the future of just about anything. Shades of the Branch Davidians, Jim Jones, and Charlie Manson. --Uncle Wolf --Member Highland Lodge 748 F&AM (Grand Lodge of California) --Babtized a Southern Babtist --And one who has beliefs beyond the teachings of either. > > ";-1;0 "From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: Re: Can sin ""block"" our prayers? Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 27 mike@boulder.snsc.unr.edu (Mike McCormick) writes: > Not honoring our wives can cause our prayers to be hindered: > > You husbands likewise, live with your wives in > an understanding way, as with a weaker vessel, > since she is a woman; and grant her honor as > a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your > prayers may not be hindered. I Peter 3:7 One interpretation I've heard of this verse is that it refers to the sin of physically abusing one's wife. The husband is usually physically stronger than his wife but is not permitted to use this to dominate her. He must honor her as his sister in Christ. This would therefore be an example of a specific sin that blocks prayer. This verse also makes me think of the kind of husband who decides what is God's will for his family without consulting his wife. God reveals His will to both the husband and the wife. There needs to be some degree of mutuality in decision making. Even those whose understanding of the Bible leads to a belief in an authoritarian headship of the husband need to incorporate this in order to have a functional family. One way to look at it is that God speaks to the wife through the husband and to the husband through the wife. Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org ";-1;0 "From: bprisco@shearson.com (Bobby Prisco) Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Reply-To: bprisco@shearson.com Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. Lines: 30 In article 120399@netnews.upenn.edu, sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) writes: > >And now, the not so pleasant surprises: > > 2)Tartabull. The book on Tartabull was, keep him healthy and > he'll produce. Well, he hasn't done too much so far. Sure. he's > hit a few homers, but those were all solo shots, and he hasn't > gotten any of the ""big"" RBIs that your cleanup man is supposed > to give you. Then again, he had a slow start last year (once he > got off the DL, that is) and turned into a one-man wrecking crew >See you in the Series! > >-Alan Let's see... April 15th... less than 30 at bats.... and you claim that he hasn't done too much so far! Cut this guy some slack. Danny will produce this year. It's scary to think just how much he'll produce if he were to stay healthy all year. The Yanks have a lot going for them this year: good starting rotation, good bullpen, good defense and a good lineup. Also, I like Buck Showalter. Frank Howard on 1st is also a good move. Everything sounds good so far. If the Yanks stay healthy, they have a good chance at winning the pennant. This is the most fun I've had watching the Yanks since ""78! -Bobby ";-1;0 "From: randy@msc.cornell.edu (Randy Ellingson) Subject: ISA bus: SCSI or IDE??!! Reply-To: randy@msc.cornell.edu Organization: Cornell University Lines: 38 Wow, you guys are really going wild on this IDE vs. SCSI thing, and I think it's great! However, I think that some people (such as myself) would benefit from answers to the simple(?) question: Which would YOU choose, and why? Like lots of people, I'd really like to increase my data transfer rate from the hard drive. Right now I have a 15ms 210Mb IDE drive (Seagate 1239A), and what I would say is a standard (not special, no cache I believe) IDE controller card on my ISA 486-50. I'm currently thinking about adding another HD, in the 300Mb to 500Mb range. And I'm thinking hard (you should hear those gears a-grinding in my head) about buying a SCSI drive (SCSI for the future benefit). I believe I'm getting something like 890Kb/sec transfer right now (according to NU). How would this number compare if I bought the state-of-the-art SCSI card for my ISA PC, and the state-of-the-art SCSI hard drive (the wailing-est system I could hope for)? Obviously money factors into this choice as well as any other, but what would YOU want to use on your ISA system? And how much would it cost? Along those lines, what kind of transfer rate could I see with my IDE HD's if I were to buy the top-of-the-line IDE caching controller for my 200Mb, 15ms HD? And how much would it cost? I actually have a PAS-16, and could (what a waste I guess it would be...) hook up a SCSI HD through it's SCSI port which yields an optimum of 690Kb/sec. Actually, I have a borrowed 12ms Fujitsu HD hooked up through it now (and own the Trantor HD drivers for the PAS-16 SCSI port). Is this SCSI port a SCSI-2 port? How could I tell? Is the Fujitsu 2623A a SCSI-2? Are all SCSI HD's SCSI-2? Thanks for any comments. Randy ";-1;0 "From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: Are atoms real? (was Re: After 2000 years blah blah blah) Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 15 Petri and Mathew, Your discusion on the ""reality"" of atoms is interesting, but it would seem that you are verging on the question ""Is anything real"": that is, since observation is not 100% reliable, how can we say that anything is ""real"". I don't think this was the intention of the original question, since you now define-out the word ""real"" so that nothing can meet its criteria. Just a thought. Brian /-|-\ PS Rainbows and Shadows are ""real"": they are not objects, they are phenomenon. An interesting question would be if atoms are objects (classical) or phenomenon (neo-quantum) or what? ";-1;0 "From: sbuckley@sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 22 dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: > Unfaithfully yours, > Pixie > p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow >it blindly? > Do the words ""Question Authority"" mean anything to you? > I defy any theist to reply. o.k. i don't follow god ""blindly"". once, long ago, i questioned authority to such a rabid point that i found question_authority=reject_authority_ _unquestioningly. i question authority all the time. but to forever question is fruitless...eventually we have to consider whether there are answers to the questions, whether the ""authority"" {say, the bible in this case} has validity. basically to question authority does not necessarily mean reject authority. ";17;1 "From: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) Subject: political point of attack: Clipper infrastructure Reply-To: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: signal.ece.clarkson.edu My earlier argument that ""Clipper will encourage state and local cops to commit criminal acts"" is largely moot, now that we've learned that the FBI will perform the actual tap. [It will encourage the *FBI* to commit (even more) criminal acts, but that's not the point here.] But this gives another avenue of attack on the Clipper proposal. When the EFF/ACLU/CPSR FOIA requests are made, they should ask for details on the bureaucratic and equipment infrastructure that is proposed (or even already budgeted) for the FBI to service tapping requests -- for now and the projected future. From these figures, estimate the number of Clipper-tap requests the FBI is expecting. Publish this figure. Compare it on a per-capita basis with the amount of tapping now known or suspected. Also estimate how expensive it would be for the FBI to install more Clipper-tapping stations, and how rapidly they could be built and installed ... ie, get the ""plus or minus"" epsilon for the near future. Might be a mite disturbing for J. Q. Public to know these things. And despite all the technical details [BTW, thanks to those who've been providing them!], we still don't know 1) how the tapping requests will be transmitted and authenticated (though it isn't too hard to guess a good scheme). 2) how the results will be securely transmitted (Fed Ex the audio tapes?) 3) how privacy will be re-established when an investigation is complete. +========================================================================+ | dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu | | tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | | | | ""Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six"" | +========================================================================+ ";-1;0 "From: jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) Subject: Re: Why are there no turbocharged motorbikes in North America? Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 18 In article davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes: > >As an extreme example the CX500 Turbo cost as much as a Mike Hailwood Replica >Ducati. So. If I can scrounge up a good looking CX500 Turbo, will someone trade me an MHR Duc for it? =============================================================================== |Jeff Earls jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530 KotTG KotSPT WMTC AMA | |'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon | Squid Factor: 16.99 | |'93 KLR650 - Thumpy | ""Hit the button Chewie!""... Han Solo | ""There ain't nothin' like a 115 mph sweeper in the Idaho rockies."" - me ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr20.143754.643@ra.royalroads.ca>, mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: > I understand and sympathize with your pain. What happened in Waco was a very > sad tradgedy. Don't take it out on us Christians though. The Branch > Davidians were not an organized religion. They were a cult led by a ego-maniac > cult leader. The Christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man, > the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus Christ. BTW, David Koresh was NOT > Jesus Christ as he claimed. The interesting notion is that (I watched TV tonight) Koresh never claimed officially to be Jesus Christ. His believers hoped that he would be, but he never took this standpoint himself. He was more interested in breaking the seven seals of Revelation, and make sure that Armageddon would start. Well it did, and 19 children died, and no God saved them. Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: LH Workmanship Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr15.221421.21839 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: >I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle >Vision and Dodge Intrepid. > >Really nice I must say. Very attractive styling, lots of features and room, >at a competitive price. > >Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars, >the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out >the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing >the groove against the tongue on the door frame. Surely it would come >off easily. Lack of build quality was the thing I notced on the first 2 LH's I saw months back. The panel gaps were large and non-uniform between the 2 cars I saw - the kind of thing you expect and accept on a Mustang - but not from Chrysler's savior. I drove one of the low end cars, and thought it was more than adequate. I'd prefer an LH to a Taurus from my brief experience. Craig > >I am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering/assembly >problems that will show up later. > >I may still consider buying it, but only when it establishes a good >track record. > >Jason Chen ";-1;0 "From: rclar@ctp.com (Richard Clark) Subject: 16' HobieCat Special Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners Distribution: us Lines: 9 For Sale: 1982 - 16' Hobie Cat Special, very good condition with trailer, catbox, righting system, many extras. Boat is currently garaged in Natick MA, 25 miles east of Boston. $1800. Contact rclar@ctp.com or call (617) 374-8217. ";-1;0 "From: lfoard@hopper.virginia.edu (Lawrence C. Foard) Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 43 In article REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes: > >I dreamed that the great judgment morning had dawned, > and the trumpet had blown. >I dreamed that the sinners had gathered for judgment > before the white throne. >Oh what weeping and wailing as the lost were told of their fate. >They cried for the rock and the mountains. >They prayed, but their prayers were too late. >The soul that had put off salvation, >""Not tonight I'll get saved by and by. > No time now to think of ....... religion,"" >Alas, he had found time to die. >And I saw a Great White Throne. If I believed in the God of the bible I would be very fearful of making this statement. Doesn't it say those who judge will be judged by the same measure? >Now, some have protest by saying that the fear of hell is not good for >motivation, yet Jesus thought it was. Paul thought it was. Paul said, >""Knowing therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men."" A God who must motivate through fear is not a God worthy of worship. If the God Jesus spoke of did indeed exist he would not need hell to convince people to worship him. >Today, too much of our evangelism is nothing but soft soap and some of >it is nothing but evangelical salesmanship. We don't tell people anymore, that >there's such a thing as sin or that there's such a place as hell. It was the myth of hell that made me finally realize that the whole thing was untrue. If it hadn't been for hell I would still be a believer today. The myth of hell made me realize that if there was a God that he was not the all knowing and all good God he claimed to be. Why should I take such a being at his word, even if there was evidence for his existance? -- ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . ";-1;0 "From: franklig@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Gregory C Franklin ) Subject: Re: Mouse on Com3OM3 or COM4 in Windows Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Lines: 23 In article isbell@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Isbell) writes: >jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) writes: > >>I am having a problem configuring the mouse in windows to use COM3 >>with IRQ5. > >>COM1 and COM2 are being used to support two 24 hour bbs lines, There you go. COM1 and COM3 use the same IRQ, therefore you can't use a mouse on COM3 and a modem on COM1, or vice versa. It's a limitation of DOS. And in fact Windows will not see a mouse on anything other than COM1 or COM2. Accept this fact, and either get a bus mouse, or get a new computer. >I would also like to know if it is possible to use the mouse on ports other >than COM1 or COM2. No. The advice above applies.... -- Greg Franklin franklig@gas.uug.arizona.edu ";-1;0 "From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Monophysites and Mike Walker Lines: 45 > - Mike Walker > >[If you are using the standard formula of fully God and fully human, >that I'm not sure why you object to saying that Jesus was human. I >think the usual analysis would be that sin is not part of the basic >definition of humanity. It's a consequence of the fall. Jesus is >human, but not a fallen human. --clh] The proper term for what Mike expresses is Monophysitism. This was a heresy that was condemned in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD. It grew up in reaction to Nestorianism, which held that the Son and Jesus are two different people who happened to be united in the same body temporarily. Monophysitism is held by the Copts of Egypt and Ethipoia and by the Jacobites of Syria and the Armenian Orthodox. It believes that Jesus Christ was God (which is correct), that he was man (which is correct), that he was one person (which is correct), but that he had only one nature and one will and oen energy (which is heretical, the orthodox position is that he had two natures and two wills and two energies, both divine and human, though the wills were in perfect harmony). That is what Mike is trying to get across, that while Jesus came in human form, Mike says He did not have a human nature or a human will. In reality, he had both, though neither made him subject to original sin. It is interesting to note that the Monothelites were a reaction to this conflict and attempted to solve the problem by admitting two natures but not two wills or two energies. It also was condemned, at a late council in Constantinople I believe. Andy Byler [These issues get mighty subtle. When you see people saying different things it's often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously different things, or whether they are using different terminology. I don't think there's any question that there is a problem with Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form without a real human nature or will is heretical. But I'd like to be a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc. Recent discussions suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from orthodoxy as many had thought. Nestorius was an extreme representative of one of the two major schools of thought. More moderate representatives were regarded as orthodox, e.g. Theodore of Mopsuestia. My impression is that the modern monophysite groups inherit the entire tradition, not just Nestorius' version, and that some of them may have a sufficient balanced position to be regarded as orthodox. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: abarden@tybse1.uucp (Ann Marie Barden) Subject: X-Terminal Config. file question Organization: Tybrin Corporation, Shalimar, FL Distribution: usa Lines: 19 QUESTION: What is the EXACT entry (parameter and syntax please), in the X-Terminal configuration file (loaded when the X-Terminal boots), to add another system to the TCP/IP access control list? BACKGROUND: I have two unix systems, 1. an AT&T 3B2 running X11R3 and MIT's X11R4 and 2. a Sun SS10 without any X. I want to have a window to the Sun and the 3B2 on the NCD X-Terminal at the same time. I can do this if I manually set the Network Parameter TCP/IP Access Control List to off, then login to my telnet session. Not Great! I've tried to get ""xhost"" to work and failed. Either my syntax is wrong or the X11R3 implementation is bogus. I am trying to edit the NCD configuration file that is loaded when the NCD boots. No matter what entry I add or edit, the NCD still boots with the TCP/IP Access Control list containing only the 3B2. My manuals are worthless so any help would be most appreciated!! Thanks! Ann Marie Barden abarden@afseo.eglin.af.mil ";12;1 "From: revans@euclid.ucsd.edu ( ) Subject: Himmler's speech on the extirpation of the Jewish race Lines: 42 Nntp-Posting-Host: euclid.ucsd.edu WASHINGTON - A stark reminder of the Holocaust--a speech by Nazi SS leader Heinrich Himmler that refers to ""the extermination of the Jewish race""--went on display Friday at the National Archives. The documents, including handwritten notes by Himmler, are among the best evidence that exists to rebut claims that the Holocaust is a myth, archivists say. ""The notes give them their authenticity,"" said Robert Wolfe, a supervisory archivist for captured German records. ""He was supposed to destroy them. Like a lot of bosses, he didn't obey his own rules."" The documents, moved out of Berlin to what Himmler hoped would be a safe hiding place, were recovered by Allied forces after World War II from a salt mine near Salzburg, Austria. Himmler spoke on Oct.4, 1943, in Posen, Poland, to more than 100 German secret police generals. ""I also want to talk to you, quite frankly, on a very grave matter. Among ourselves it should be mentioned quite frankly, and yet we will never speak of it publicly. I mean the clearing out of the Jew, the extermination of the Jewish race. This is a page of GLORY in our history which has never been written and is never to be written."" [Emphasis mine--rje] The German word Himmler uses that is translated as ""extermination"" is *Ausrottung*. Wolfe said a more precise translation would be ""extirpation"" or ""tearing up by the roots."" In his handwritten notes, Himmler used a euphemism, ""Judenevakuierung"" or ""evacuation of the Jews."" But archives officials said ""extermination"" is the word he actually spoke--preserved on an audiotape in the archives. Himmler, who oversaw Adolf Hitler's ""final solution of the Jewish question,"" committed suicide after he was arrested in 1945. The National Archives exhibit, on display through May 16, is a preview of the opening of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum here on April 26. The National Archives exhibit includes a page each of Himmler's handwritten notes, a typed transcript from the speech and an offical translation made for the Nuremberg war crimes trials. ---From p.A10 of Saturday's L.A. Times, 4/17/93 (Associated Press) -- (revans@math.ucsd.edu) ";-1;0 "From: rych@festival.ed.ac.uk (R Hawkes) Subject: 3DS: Where did all the texture rules go? Lines: 21 Hi, I've noticed that if you only save a model (with all your mapping planes positioned carefully) to a .3DS file that when you reload it after restarting 3DS, they are given a default position and orientation. But if you save to a .PRJ file their positions/orientation are preserved. Does anyone know why this information is not stored in the .3DS file? Nothing is explicitly said in the manual about saving texture rules in the .PRJ file. I'd like to be able to read the texture rule information, does anyone have the format for the .PRJ file? Is the .CEL file format available from somewhere? Rych ====================================================================== Rycharde Hawkes email: rych@festival.ed.ac.uk Virtual Environment Laboratory Dept. of Psychology Tel : +44 31 650 3426 Univ. of Edinburgh Fax : +44 31 667 0150 ====================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Organization: Motorola LPA Development Lines: 26 In article , jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) wrote: > I'd like to remind people of the withering of the fig tree and Jesus > driving the money changers et. al. out of the temple. I think those > were two instances of Christ showing anger (as part of His human side). > Yes, and what about Paul saying: 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: (Ephesians 4:26). Obviously then, we can be angry w/o sinning. Jon ------------------------------------------------ Jon Ogden - jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com Motorola Cellular - Advanced Products Division Voice: 708-632-2521 Data: 708-632-6086 ------------------------------------------------ They drew a circle and shut him out. Heretic, Rebel, a thing to flout. But Love and I had the wit to win; We drew a circle and took him in. ";-1;0 "From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Lines: 40 In article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: |> |> Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to |> rock |> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it... |> |> So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and |> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes. |> |> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know |> for |> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... |> church |> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should |> I just |> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or |> should I |> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my |> likely |> passenger? My rule of thumb is ""Don't give rides to people that wear a bigger helmet than you"", unless your taste runs that way, or they are family.friends. Gee, reminds me of a *dancer* in Hull, just over the river from Ottowa, that I saw a few years ago, for her I would a bought a bigger helmet (or even her own bike) or anything else she wanted ;-> -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store. ";-1;0 "From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: H.R. violations by Israel/Arab st. Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 37 In article <1483500360@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >I am born in Palestine (now Israel). I have family there. The lack of >peace and utter injustice in my home country has affected me all my life. Bullshit. You've been in Iceland for the past 30 years. You told us so yourself. It had something to do with not wanting to suffer the fate of your mother, who has lived with Jews for a long time or somesuch. Sounded awful. >I am concerned by Palestine (Israel) because I want peace to come to >it. Peace AND justice. Are you as concerned about peace and justice in Palestine (Jordan)? >Israeli trights and Palestinian rights are not symmetrical. The first >party has a state and the other has none. The first is an occupier and >the second the occupied. Let's say that Israel grants the PLO _EVERYTHING THEY EVER ASKED FOR_. That Israel goes back to the 1967 borders. What will the ""Palestinean Arabs"" in Tel-Aviv call themselves? The Palestineans in West Jerusalem? In Haifa? Will they still claim to be ""occupied""? Or do you suggest that Israel expell or kill off any remaining Arabs, much as the Arabs did to their Jews? Indeed, there is much which is not symmetrical about the conflict in the M.E. And most of this lack of symmetry does NOT favor Israel. >Elias Davidsson >Iceland -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. ";-1;0 "From: 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith) Subject: Re: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY Organization: Acadia University Lines: 17 lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee) writes: >In article stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) writes: >Woops! This is rec.sport.hockey! Not rec.sport.golf! Hope you check the >newsgroup header next time before posting! >Steve Lee * University of Western Ontario * London, Canada > lee139@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Actually Steve, I think he was refering to the Leafs, and when they can be expected to hit the greens... -- ACADIA AXEMEN! CIAU CHAMPIONS, 1993! Donald.Smith@dragon.acadiau.ca ";-1;0 "From: mtoivakk@abo.fi (Martti Toivakka PAP) Subject: Compiled version of VOGL-library for PC? Keywords: VOGL Organization: Abo Akademi University Lines: 11 Has anybody compiled VOGL-graphics library for IBM-PC? I need to call it from MS-Fortran but don't have MS-C to compile the sources. Thanks for any help... martti toivakka mtoivakk@abo.fi ";-1;0 "From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000 Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: na Lines: 18 In article <33759@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes: >In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes: >> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the >>$13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be >>driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to feel >>some acceleration. Handling is important also, as are reliability and pretty >>low maintenance costs. A stylish appearance is nice, but I don't want a car >>that is all show and not much go. Even though many of the imports are fast, I >>don't really want a turbo, and I never have cared for the song sung by a four >>clyinder. I'd prefer a v6 or v8 for the engine. If you have any suggestions, >>Kevin Parker > > There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled: > > 5.0 LITER MUSTANG not! sorry, he said cvility, long trips, reliability, and low maintenance cost! ";-1;0 "From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? Organization: Motorola Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.43 Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? >What would be the benefits and problems with such a combo (other >than the obvious instability in the XSSR now)? I haven't seen any speculation about it. But, the Salyut KB (Design Bureau) was planning a new LH/LOX second stage for the Proton which would boost payload to LEO from about 21000 to 31500 kg. (Geostationary goes from 2600 kg. (Gals launcher version) to 6000 kg.. This scheme was competing with the Energia-M last year and I haven't heard which won, except now I recently read that the Central Specialized KB was working on the successor to the Soyuz booster which must be the Energia-M. So the early results are Energia-M won, but this is a guess, nothing is very clear in Russia. I'm sure if Salyut KB gets funds from someone they will continue their development. The Centaur for the Altas is about 3 meters dia. and the Proton is 4 so that's a good fit for their existing upper stage, the Block-D which sets inside a shround just under 4 meters dia. I don't know about launch loads, etc.. but since the Centaur survives Titan launches which are probably worse than the Proton (those Titan SRB's probably shake things up pretty good) it seems feasible. EXCEPT, the Centaur is a very fragile thing and may require integration on the pad which is not available now. Protons are assembled and transported horizontially. Does anyone know how much stress in the way of a payload a Centaur could support while bolted to a Proton horizontally and then taken down the rail road track and erected on the pad? They would also need LOX and LH facilities added to the Proton pads (unless the new Proton second stage is actually built), and of course any Centaur support systems and facilities, no doubt imported from the US at great cost. These systems may viloate US law so there are political problems to solve in addition to the instabilities in the CIS you mention. Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com) Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector Schaumburg, IL ";-1;0 "From: pino@gammow.berkeley.edu (Jose L. Pino) Subject: Re: wrong RAM in Duo? Organization: U. C. Berkeley Lines: 53 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: gammow.berkeley.edu Here is the MacWeek article describing the DUO ram situation. (w/o permission. I hope that is ok) Jose Bad RAM brings some Duos down. (random access memory boards for Apple Macintosh PowerBook Duos) MacWEEK v7, n7 (Feb 15, 1993):132. COPYRIGHT Coastal Associates Publishing L.P. 1993 By Raines Cohen Austin, Texas - Some third-party memory-expansion cards for PowerBook Duos depart from Apple specs in ways that could cause crashes, data loss and other problems. Technology Works Inc., a RAM and network vendor based here, last week issued a warning about three problems it said it had found in Duo RAM products from some competing vendors, which it declined to identify. Other vendors and an Apple spokeswoman confirmed that the problems exist. > Self-refresh. The Duos require a kind of dynamic RAM called selfrefreshing, which can recharge itself while the system sleeps. But Technology Works said some vendors have sold Duo cards with nonselfrefreshing DRAM, which can cause the system to lose data or fail to wake from sleep. Most leading memory manufacturers include the letter V in the part number stamped on their self-refreshing chips; nonself-refreshing chips instead have an L, according to TechWorks. The chip label, however, may not tell the whole story. Newer Technology of Wichita, Kan., said it uses nonself-refreshing chips but adds its own circuitry to keep them refreshed while the Duo sleeps. > Speed. Some RAM-card vendors have put 80-nanosecond DRAM on Duo cards rather than the 70-nanosecond type the 230 requires, Technology Works said. However, some chips labeled as 80- or 85-nanosecond are certified by the manufacturer to run at a higher speed. Kingston Technology Corp. of Fountain Valley, Calif., said it offers Duo RAM cards with 80-nanosecond chips, but only for the Duo 210, which is compatible with the slower chips. > Space. Technology Works charged and Apple officials confirmed that some third-party cards are too large to fit properly, forcing the corner of the Duo keyboard up and preventing the system from starting up normally when in a Duo Dock. Lifetime Memory Products Inc. of Huntington Beach, Calif., said it originally shipped cards with this problem but has since offered all customers free upgrades to cards that fit. ";-1;0 "From: ben@dbsm.oz.au (Benjamin Stephen Kelley) Subject: Problems with color Xterm Reply-To: ben@thor (Benjamin Stephen Kelley) Organization: SBC Dominguez Barry Ltd Lines: 19 We have recently obtained a copy of color_xterm (from export.lcs.mit.edu) after seeing it mentioned in a previous article. On compilation, it reports the following undefined symbols: _get_wmShellWidgetClass _get_applicationShellWidgetClass but still runs. When sending escape sequences to set the colour, any colour comes out as black text on a black background. Any Ideas? Has anyone used this program in colour successfully? Can anyone point me to any other colour terminal emulators? We are running OpenWindows 3 on Sun Sparcs running SunOS 4.1.3. advaTHANKSnce Ben Kelley. ben@thor.dbsm.oz.au ";-1;0 "From: chau@hao.ucar.edu (National Center for Atmospheric Research) Subject: Please help! (looking for books) Distribution: na Organization: High Altitude Observatory, Boulder CO 80303 Lines: 6 Hi netters! I often have troubles with my PC and would like to fix it by myself. Is there any book that show you how to fix your own PC (hardware, monitor, printer problems..etc). Of course, no book would tell you the exact problem with your PC, but at least it will give a general idea what might be wrong. Thanks so lot for your help. ";-1;0 "From: ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk (Andrew Broderick) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Keywords: Solar Sail Organization: Rutherford Appleton Lab, UK Lines: 79 In article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu> snydefj@eng.auburn.edu writes: > >I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar > Sails I was at an interesting seminar at work (UK's R.A.L. Space Science Dept.) on this subject, specifically on a small-scale Solar Sail proposed as a student space project. The guy giving the talk was keen to generate interest in the project. I'll typein the handout he gave out at the meeting. Here goes : The Microlight Solar Sail ------------------------- 1. Introduction The solar sail is a well-established concept. Harnessing the pressure of sunlight, a spacecraft would have unlimited range. In principle, such a vehicle could explore the whole Solar System with zero fuel consumption. However it is more difficult to design a practical solar sail than most people realize. The pressure of sunlight is only about one kilogram per square kilometer. Deploying and controlling the large area of aluminized fabric which would be necessary to transport a 'conventional' type spacecraft is a daunting task. This is why, despite the potential of hte idea, no such craft has actually been launched to date. 2.Design Recent advances in microelectronics make possible a different concept: a tiny sail just a few metres in diameter which could be controlled purely be electronics, with no mechanical parts. Several attitude control methods are feasible: for example the pressure sunlight exerts on a panel of solar cells varies according to whether power is being drawn. The key components of the craft will be a minute CCD camera developed at Edinburgh University which can act as both attitude sensor and data gathering device; solar cells providing ~1 watt power for control and communication; and a directional radio antenna etched onto the surface of the sail itself. Launched as a piggyback payload, the total cost of the mission can be limited to a few tens of thousands of dollars. 3.Missions The craft would be capable of some ambitious missions. For example: a) It could rendezvous with a nearby asteroid from the Apollo or Amor groups. Closeup pictures could be transmitted back to Earth at a low bit rate. b) It could be steered into a lunar polar orbit. Previously unobserved areas around the lunar poles could be viewed. By angling the sail to reflect sunlight downwards, polar craters whose bases never receive sunlight could be imaged. Bright reflections would confirm that volatiles such as water ice have become trapped in these locations.[Immensely valuable information for setting up a manned lunar base, BTW] c) It could be sent to rendezvous with a small asteroid or comet nucleus. Impacting at low speed, a thin wire probe attached to the craft causes it to rebound while capturing a tiny sample is a sharp-edged tube, like performing a biopsy. Returning to Earth, the sail acts as an ideal re-entry parachute: load per unit area 20 gm/m2 ensures that heat is reradiated so efectively that the sail temperature cannot exceed ~300 deg C. The material sample is recovered, enclosed in a small insulating container. Contact: Colin Jack Tel. 0865-200447 Oxford Mathematical Designs, 131 High Street, Oxford OX1 4DH, England -------------------------------- This guy would love to hear from anyone interested in this project or seeking details or anything, and would be most happy to send you more information. Andy -- ----------------------------------- Andy Jonathan J. Broderick, | ""I have come that they might have | Rutherford Lab., UK | life, and have it to the full"" | Mail : ajjb@adam2.bnsc.rl.ac.uk | - Jesus Christ | ";-1;0 "From: dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) Subject: Re: Do trains have radar? Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com>, hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: |> |> While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45 |> somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a |> train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over |> the northbound lanes. There appeared to be movement within the cab |> and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look. Just as I |> passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full |> alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong. |> I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized. |> |> Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what? |> |> |> TRAVIS Boy, Travis.. Were you LUCKY!!.. you went under the new Texas Rangers Stealth Patrol Car! Good thing you slowed down! Newsgroups: rec.autos Distribution: world References: <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> From: dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) Organization: Subject: Re: Do trains have radar? Keywords: ";-1;0 "From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: |> |> >>But chimps are almost human... |> >Does this mean that Chimps have a moral will? |> |> Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups |> as we do, so they must have some ""laws"" dictating undesired behavior. Ah, the verb ""to must"". I was warned about that one back in Kindergarten. So, why ""must"" they have such laws? jon. ";-1;0 "Subject: 1993 Honda Civic From: Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 8 I'd like to converse with anyone who has purchased a 1993 Honda Civic about their experience. I'm new to the car buying game and would like to know what price I can expect to pay for a sedan after bargaining. Thanks in advance, -- Ellen ";-1;0 "From: kxn3796@hertz.njit.edu (Ken Nakata CIS stnt) Subject: Re: Help with SIMMs Keywords: SIMM questions answers Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J. Lines: 53 Nntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu In article guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes: > >In article <10998@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>, jjctc@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (James C. Tsiao) writes: >> In article <1993Apr12.172751.27270@fct.unl.pt> fcm@diana.fct.unl.pt (Fernando Correia Martins (MEI 1)) writes: >> >Spectre (spectre@nmt.edu) wrote: >> >: When I look at a magazine ad that says: [deleted] >> >: what exactly do the numbers mean? (i.e. which is the MB, ns...) >> > >> >The numbers 60, 70 and 80 refers to nanoseconds. Could someone explain >> >*exactly* what this numbers means? (Time spent bettwen processor's request >> >and answer retrieved (in case of reading)? ) >> >> It means the time required for the memory to refresh, i.e. a 1x9-60 >> needs 60ns before it is ready to be read again. > >Nope! It's the time taken to read data from memory. It's the read time. >The memory will still have to be refreshed. The whole phase is called >a cycle, the cycle time being about twice the access time. I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding your post, but DRAM *does not* have to be refreshed on *each access cycle*. So cycle time does *not* have to be twice the access time *because of refresh phase*. The access time usually means the delay time from falling edge of raw address strobe (RAS) to data bus driven. DRAM access cycle timing chart can be roughly shown as following (some signals are intentionally omitted); ADDR ------------------ RA=Raw Address, CA=Column Address RAS ~~~~\________/~~~~~\________/~~~~~ ~=High, _=Low, -=Floating CAS ~~~~~~~\_______/~~~~~~\_______/~~~ <..>=driven either H or L DATA -------------------- |-------+------| |-+--| | | +----------- cycle time +---- access time (or RAS access time) Yes, the cycle time is more than twice as the access time but *not* because of the refresh phase. The refresh can be done either as a trailing phase of normal access cycle or as an individual cycle. > [other stuff deleted] > Ken Nakata -- /* I apologize if there are incorrect, rude, and/or impolite expressions in this mail or post. They are not intended. Please consider that English is a second language for me and I don't have full understanding of certain words or each nuance of a phrase. Thank you. -- Ken Nakata, CIS student, NJIT */ ";-1;0 "From: pritchet@cs.scarolina.edu (Ronald W. Pritchett) Subject: Removable Storage Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Distribution: comp Lines: 16 We have a Quadra 700 with 170MB HD, but need to a lot of sound sampling for auditory research. What would be the best type of removable media for storing these audio clips? Ron ============================================================================== | 'They say I'm lazy, but | | it takes all my time... | | Life's been good to me so far!' -Joe Walsh | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Ron Pritchett Internet: pritchet@ash.cs.scarolina.edu | | FidoNet: Ron Pritchett @ 1:376/74.0 | ============================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder) Subject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750? Article-I.D.: hpscit.1qkcvo$2q9 Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: labkas.lsid.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.10] Mark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote: : I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990 : Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles : and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees : of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the : bike. : I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this : would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life : span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with : prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is : for cars?. : Thanks for any advice you can give. : --Mark -- _______________________ K _ E _ N ____________________________ | | | Ken Snyder ms/loc: 330 / UN2 | | Hewlett-Packard Co. LSID : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. | | 8600 Soper Hill Road gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253 | | Everett, WA 98205-1298 un-ix : kens@lsid.hp.com | |______________________________________________________________| ";7;1 "From: jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) Subject: Re: wife wants convertible Organization: Private site in San Marcos, California Lines: 35 aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes: > > In a previous article, dspalme@mke.ab.com (Diane Palme x2617) says: > > >: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes: > >: > HELP!!! > >: > my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. > >jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes: > >: FYI, just last week the PBS show Motor Week gave the results of what they > >: thought were the best cars for '93. In the convertible category, the > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >: Honda Civic del Sol achieved this honor. > >I own a del Sol and I must vouch for the interior. I really looks snazzy wh > >the top is off. I looks a lot better in person than on the television. (I > >that Motorweek as well. Needless to say I was smiling a bit by the time it > >was over ...) :*) > > > >Watch out for that darned ""convertible tan"" tho... > > > i simply must inquire, how can people honestly consider this car > a ""convertible""? Does Porsche have a patent on the ""targa"" name? > I mean, convertible to me means ""top down"", which the del Sol certainly > does NOT do. It has the center that lifts out. This is what i would > term a targa(unless Porsches was gonna sue me for doing that). I know > the rear window rolls down, but i still can hardly consider this car > to be a convertible. > Yes, however, with the top off and the rear window down this car is more like a convertible than a coupe. Think of it as a convertible with an integrated roll-bar like addition. jp ";-1;0 "From: agodwin@acorn.co.uk (Adrian Godwin) Subject: Re: Single chip receiver for FSK? Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, UK Lines: 26 In article jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (John Ackermann x 2966) writes: >My goal is to come up with an inexpensive design for a receiver ""back >end"" with IF input on one end and an FSK demondulator on the other. I'm >particularly interested in ways to use a higher IF than 10.7 -- do any >current chips work up to, say 150MHz with internal downconversion so a >normal IF filter can be used? > GEC/Plessey specify a series of FM demodulators (SL1454 etc) for use in satellite TV receivers : 150 or 600MHz in, 10MHz of baseband video out. I think there's also a related data slicer / clock recovery circuit intended for use in DMAC decoders, though that isn't used in the most common implementation - it may not be in volume production. The most easily available components probably vary with local satellite standards, and I think the european systems vary rather widely from those in the US - so it may be worth investigating locally-available receiver designs to find out what's in common use. -adrian -- Adrian Godwin : agodwin@acorn.co.uk : adrian@fangorn.demon.co.uk : g7hwn@gb7khw ObDisclaimer : I believe this rubbish .. don't imagine that anyone else does. ";-1;0 "From: tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii Lines: 17 Phil G. Fraering writes: > Mark Brader writes: >> Thanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn't known to >> me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American >> has an article about the ""Inconstant Cosmos"", with a photo of Neil >> Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory. >> Same person? > No. I estimate a 99 % probability the Gehrels referred to > is Thomas Gehrels of the Spacewatch project, Kitt Peak observatory. You may change that to 100% certainty. But to clarify, Spacewatch is a University of Arizona project using a telescope of the Steward Observatory located on Kitt Peak. It is not associated with Kitt Peak National Observatory, other than sharing a mountain. ";-1;0 "From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > (b) I am neither a Christian nor a theist, but I believe in objective > morality in preference to a relativist soup of gobbledegook. Well, there are two approaches we can take here. One is to ask you what this objective morality is, assuming it's not a secret. The other is to ask you what you think is wrong with relativism, so that we can correct your misconceptions :-) mathew ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: OB-GYN residency Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr12.231544.5990@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes: > >I believe it is illegal for a residency to discriminate against FMGs. I Is that true? I know some that won't even interview FMGs. Most programs discriminate, in that given an FMG equally qualified as an American they will take the American. What rights do they actually have? Does it matter if they are US citizens (most are not)? We have had good luck with FMGs and bad luck. SOme of our very best residents have been FMGs. Also, our very worst. As it turns out, the worst FMGs are often US citizens that studied in off-shore medical schools. Of the 5 residents fired for incompetence in the 12 years I've been here in my department, all have been FMGs. 3 were US citizens who studied in Guadalajara, 1 was a US citizen but was trained in the Soviet Union, and one was Philipina. Unfortunately, all are now practicing medicine somewhere, 3 of them in Neurology after having been picked up by other programs, 1 in psychiatry, and the other in emergency medicine. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: rm03@ic.ac.uk (Mr R. Mellish) Subject: Re: university violating separation of church/state? Organization: Imperial College Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.31.80.14 In article <199304041750.AA17104@kepler.unh.edu> dmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings) writes: > > > > Recently, RAs have been ordered (and none have resisted or cared about >it apparently) to post a religious flyer entitled _The Soul Scroll: Thoughts >on religion, spirituality, and matters of the soul_ on the inside of bathroom >stall doors. (at my school, the University of New Hampshire) It is some sort >of newsletter assembled by a Hall Director somewhere on campus. [most of post deleted] > > Please respond as soon as possible. I'd like these religious postings to >stop, NOW! > > >Thanks, > > Dana > > > There is an easy way out.... Post the flyers on the stall doors, but add at the bottom, in nice large capitals, EMERGENCY TOILET PAPER :) -- ------ Robert Mellish, FOG, IC, UK ------ Email: r.mellish@ic.ac.uk Net: rm03@sg1.cc.ic.ac.uk IRC: HobNob ------ and also the mrs joyful prize for rafia work. ------ ";-1;0 "From: wsyu@nyx.cs.du.edu (Wei-Yun Yu) Subject: Windows 3.1(new) for sale $35 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Distribution: usa Lines: 4 I have a Windows 3.1 package for sale. New stil in shrink wrapped. I am asking for $35. I will consider to trade a used 1.44M floppy drive. Leave a message if interested. ";8;1 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <1993Apr6.021635.20958@wam.umd.edu> west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: >Fine... THE ILLIAD IS THE WORD OF GOD(tm) (disputed or not, it is) > >Dispute that. It won't matter. Prove me wrong. The Illiad contains more than one word. Ergo: it can not be the Word of God. But, if you will humbly agree that it is the WORDS of God, I will conceed. :-D --- ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men."" Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993 The one TRUE Muslim left in the world. ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: ""CAN'T BREATHE"" Article-I.D.: pitt.19440 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 23 In article <1993Mar29.204003.26952@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >I think it is important to verify all procedures with proper studies to >show their worthiness and risk. I just read an interesting tidbit that >80% of the medical treatments are unproven and not based on scientific >fact. For example, many treatments of prostate cancer are unproven and >the treatment may be more dangerous than the disease (according to the >article I read.) Where did you read this? I don't think this is true. I think most medical treatments are based on science, although it is difficult to prove anything with certitude. It is true that there are some things that have just been found ""to work"", but we have no good explanation for why. But almost everything does have a scientific rationale. The most common treatment for prostate cancer is probably hormone therapy. It has been ""proven"" to work. So have radiation and chemotherapy. What treatments did the article say are not proven? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";4;1 "From: artmel@well.sf.ca.us (Arthur Melnick) Subject: Some questions regarding Big Brother (Clipper) Summary: Some thoughts and questions regarding clipper Keywords: clipper Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 23 In previous postings by Hellman, Bellovin, etal it was reported the Big Brother (Clipper) chip will encrypt plaintext in 64 bit blocks as is done with DES. The users key K which can be derived from RSA, Diffy-Hellman, etc. is used to encrypt plaintext M and is then used to form a ""three part message"". This three part message consists of E[M; K], K encrypted with some other key, and the chip serial number. This three part message is then encrypted by still another key. My question is: What is a message? For example, say we are dealing with an encrypted digitized voice application. The speech waveform is sampled and digitized and then some number of samples are grouped into a 64 bit block. This block is then encrypted and transmitted over a non-secure communications link. Where is the three part message? Is something appended to each 64 bit block? Is a header sent at the beginning of the session? If the header is sent at the beginning of the session, how do they insure the equipment manufacturer using the chip does just that? Can just anyone manufacture products using the chip? Is a facility clearance required to manufacture? Any ideas? ";-1;0 "From: 18669@bach.udel.edu (Steven R Hoskins) Subject: Some questions from a new Christian Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 40 Hi, I am new to this newsgroup, and also fairly new to christianity. I was raised as a Unitarian and have spent the better part of my life as an agnostic, but recently I have developed the firm conviction that the Christian message is correct and I have accepted Jesus into my life. I am happy, but I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful to also read a good interpretation/commentary on the Bible or other relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological works intended for a lay person? I have another question I would like to ask. I am not yet affiliated with any one congregation. Aside from matters of taste, what criteria should one use in choosing a church? I don't really know the difference between the various Protestant denominations. Thanks for reading my post. Sincerely, Steve Hoskins [Aside from a commentary, you might also want to consider an introduction. These are books intended for use in undergraduate Bible courses. They give historical background, discussion of literary styles, etc. And generally they have good bibligraphies for further reading. I typically recommend Kee, Froehlich and Young's NT introduction. There are also some good one-volume commentaries. They often have background articles that are helpful. Probably the best recommendation these days would be Harper's Bible Commentary. (I think there may be a couple of books with this title. This is a fairly recent one, like about 1990, done in cooperation with the Society for Biblical Criticism.) If you are committed to inerrancy, you will probably prefer something more conservative. I don't read a lot of conservative books, but a commentary I looked at by Donald Guthrie looked rather good. He has a NT Introduction, and he's also editor of Eerdman's Bible Commentary. --clh] ";17;1 "From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) Subject: Re: ""Conventional Proposales"": Israel & Palestinians Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc. Lines: 6 The fact that Israel is already discussing with some Palestinians what the composition of the armed Palestinian Police Force in the territories will be during the transition phase indicates some real solid concessions and liberal thinking on the part of the Israeli side. -- Chris Metcalfe ";-1;0 "From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) Subject: HR 1276 (""A gun law I can live with!"" :-) Distribution: usa Organization: N/I Lines: 115 103D CONGRESS 1ST SESSION H. R. 1276 To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right. ======================= IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES March 10, 1993 Mr. BARTLETT introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary ======================= A BILL To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa- tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the ""Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 1993"". SEC. 2. RIGHT TO OBTAIN FIREARMS FOR SECURITY, AND TO USE FIREARMS IN DEFENSE OF SELF, FAMILY, OR HOME; ENFORCEMENT. (a) ESTABLISHMENT OF RIGHT. -- A person not pro- hibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm shall have the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use fire- arms in defense of self, family, or home. (b) FIREARM DEFINED. -- As used in subsection (a), the term ""firearm"" means a -- (1) shotgun (as defined in section 921(a)(5) of title 18, United States Code); (2) rifle (as defined in section 921(a)(7) of such title); or (3) handgun (as defined in section 10 of Public law 99-408). (c) ENFORCEMENT OF RIGHT. -- (1) IN GENERAL. -- A person whose right under subsection (a) is violated in any manner may bring an action in any United States district court against the United States, any State, or any person for damages, injunctive relief, and such other relief as the court deems appropriate. (2) AUTHORITY TO AWARD A REASONABLE AT- TORNEY'S FEE. -- In an action brought under para- graph (1), the court, in its discretion, may allow the prevailing party, other than a State, a reasonable attorney's fee as part of the costs. (d) STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS. -- An action may not be brought under subsection (c)(1) after the 5-year period that begins with the date the violation described therein is discovered. ------------------------ (end of HR 1276) ------------------------ Well, this sounds good to me. The key is Section (2)(c)(2), which will effectively open up the Federal court system to all the folks who can't afford to adopt an Attorney with whom to fight city hall. All of you who've been saying ""hey, isn't that illegal?"" could just go hire your own Attorneys on a pay-if-you-win (""contingency fee"") basis, and sue the bums ... :-) What you can do now: (1) Write your Representative, and ask them to co-sponsor HR 1276. (2) Write Representative Roscoe Bartlett, the sponsor -- Representative Roscoe Bartlett 312 Cannon House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515 -- to tell him who your own Representative is, and that you've asked them to join him as a co-sponsor of HR 1276. (3) Contact Gun Owners of America -- Gun Owners of America 8001 Forbes Place Springfield, Virginia 22151 -- which has committed to lobby on behalf of HR 1276. (4) For those of us with a RealJob (TM), find out how to reach Representative Bartlett's campaign fund (I'm working on it) and toss in a few bucks. You can bet your bippy that he's going to be one of the HCI ""targets"" in the next election, which isn't that far away (1994). (5) Tell your family, friends, gun club, etc. Enjoy ... :-) ";3;1 "From: patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com (patterson,george r) Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr20.232804.24632@mprgate.mpr.ca> vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes: >kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes: > >>My car, unfortunately, has so much computer junk under the hood that it's >>astonishingly sensitive to RFI. > >Hmmmmm... this has possibilities: >If the police are in pursuit of a vehicle, maybe they can bombard it with >high energy RFI. :-) Right. So all the cops will be buying antique muscle cars for chase cars; otherwise the *police* cars will die too! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | To get the attention of a large animal, be it an | elephant or a bureaucracy, it helps to know what George Patterson - | part of it feels pain. Be very sure, though, that | you want its full attention. | Kelvin Throop ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Clarification: Easter Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 23 In response to a lot of email I've gotten, I need to clarify my position. I am not in favor of paganism. I am not in favor of the Easter Bunny or other non-Christian aspects of Easter as presently celebrated. (Incidentally, Easter eggs are not non-Christian; they are a way of ending the Lenten fast.) My point was to distinguish between (1) intentionally worshipping a pagan deity, and (2) doing something which may once have had pagan associations, but nowadays is not understood or intended as such. Many people who are doing (2) are being accused of (1). It would be illogical to claim that one is ""really"" worshipping a pagan deity without knowing it. Worship is a matter of intention. One cannot worship without knowing that one is doing so. -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< ";-1;0 "From: dwebb@unl.edu (dale webb) Subject: Re: THE BACK MACHINE - Update Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 15 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu I have a BACK MACHINE and have had one since January. While I have not found it to be a panacea for my back pain, I think it has helped somewhat. It MAINLY acts to stretch muscles in the back and prevent spasms associated with pain. I am taking less pain medication than I was previously. The folks at BACK TECHNOLOGIES are VERY reluctant to honor their return policy. They extended my ""warranty"" period rather than allow me to return the machine when, after the first month or so, I was not thrilled with it. They encouraged me to continue to use it, abeit less vigourously. Like I said, I can't say it is a cure-all, but it keeps me stretched out and I am in less pain. -- *********************************************************************** Dale M. Webb, DVM, PhD * 97% of the body is water. The Veterinary Diagnostic Center * other 3% keeps you from drowning. University of Nebraska, Lincoln * ";-1;0 "From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Subject: Re: Legality of the Jewish Purchase (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust) Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 69 In article <1993Apr16.225910.16670@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: >Adam Shostack writes: >> Sam Zbib writes > >>I'm surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by > >>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive > >>state, as a hostile action leading to war. > >> It was for the purpose of establishing a state, not an >> exclusive state. If the state was to be exclusive, it would not have >> 400 000 arab citizens. > >Could you please tell me what was the ethnic composition of >Israel right after it was formed. > > >> And no, I do not consider the purchase of land a hostile >> action. When someone wants to buy land, and someone else is willing >> to sell it, at a mutually agreeable price, then that is commerce. It >> is not a hostile action leading to war. > >No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity. >Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about >anti-trust in the business world. > >Since we are debating the legality of a commercial >transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines >and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says >that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of >investing, you can not acquire a large number of those >shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so >only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly, >the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some >designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate. >They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews. > >The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the >old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic / >multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours >was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair >market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of >an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist >myself, but this one is hard to dismiss). > Right now, I'm just going to address this point. When the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land, It didn't buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because, for the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin), living on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon. The JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of it. It's called commerce. The owners, however, made no provisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting them by selling the land right out from under them. They are to blame, not the Jews. > >> Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu > >-- >Sam Zbib Bell-Northern Research >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Bitnet/Internet: zbib@bnr.ca VOICE: (613) 763-5889 > FAX: (613) 763-2626 >Surface Mail: Stop 162, P.O.Box 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > My opinions are my own and no one else's Amir ";-1;0 "From: thorn@wam.umd.edu (Thornwall) Subject: Q: Dings in the paint on my hood :( Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: usa Lines: 21 Hello, I have a 92 Toyota 4X4 and in the last few weeks I have been getting quite a few ""dings"" :( in the paint on the hood from rocks and debris off of the road. I have never had any major problems with other car/trucks in the past (maybe a ding once in a while). I went to the dealer and he said that it happens all of the time and he recomended putting a bug deflector on the hood. He said that the trucks, for some unknown reason, seem to have this problem more than some cars.? It seems to me that either my luck is really bad or there might be a problem with the paint (painted on a monday morning perhaps?). How well do these bug deflectors work for small road debris on trucks? If anyone has any experiences/suggestions please let me know, thanks. --Greg thorn@wam.umd.edu ";-1;0 "From: PPORTH@hq.nasa.gov (""Tricia Porth (202"") Subject: Remote Sensing Data X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 137 ================================================================= I am posting this for someone else. Please respond to the address listed below. Please also excuse the duplication as this message has been crossposted. Thanks! ================================================================= REQUEST FOR IDEAS FOR APPLICATIONS OF REMOTE SENSING DATABASES VIA THE INTERNET NASA is planning to expand the domain of users of its Earth and space science data. This effort will: o Use the evolving infrastructure of the U.S. Global Change Research Program including the Mission To Planet Earth (MTPE) and the Earth Observing System Data and Information System (EOSDIS) Programs. o Use the Internet, particularly the High Performance Computing and Communications Program's NREN (National Research and Education Network), as a means of providing access to and distribution of science data and images and value added products. o Provide broad access to and utilization of remotely sensed images in cooperation with other agencies (especially NOAA, EPA, DOE, DEd, DOI/USGS, and USDA). o Support remote sensing image and data users and development communities. The user and development communities to be included (but not limited to) as part of this effort are educators, commercial application developers (e.g., television weather forecasters), librarians, publishers, agriculture specialists, transportation, forestry, state and local government planners, and aqua business. This program will be initiated in 1994. Your assistance is requested to identify potential applications of remote sensing images and data. We would like your ideas for potential application areas to assist with development of the Implementation Plan. PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS. We are seeking your ideas in these areas: (1) Potential commercial use of remote sensing data and images; (2) Potential noncommercial use of remote sensing data and images in education (especially levels K-12) and other noncommercial areas; (3) Types of on-line capabilities and protocols to make the data more accessible; (4) Additional points of contacts for ideas; and (5) Addresses and names from whom to request proposals. For your convenience, a standard format for responses is included below. Feel free to amend it as necessary. Either e-mail or fax your responses to us by May 5, 1993. E-MAIL: On Internet ""rsdwg@orion.ossa.hq.nasa.gov"" ASCII - No binary attachments please FAX: Ernie Lucier, c/o RSDWG, NASA HQ, FAX 202-358-3098 Survey responses in the following formats may also be placed in the FTP directory ~ftp/pub/RSDWG on orion.nasa.gov. Please indicate the format. Acceptable formats are: Word for Windows 2.X, Macintosh Word 4.X and 5.X, and RTF. ----------------------------RESPONSE FORMAT-------------------------- REQUEST FOR IDEAS FOR APPLICATIONS OF REMOTE SENSING DATABASES VIA THE INTERNET (1) Potential commercial use of remote sensing data and images (if possible, identify the relevant types of data or science products, user tools, and standards). (2) Uses of remote sensing data and images in education (especially levels K-12) and other noncommercial areas (if possible, identify the relevant types of data or science products, user tools, and standards). (3) Types of on-line capabilities and protocols to make the data and images more accessible (if possible, identify relevant types of formats, standards, and user tools) (4) Additional suggested persons or organizations that may be resources for further ideas on applications areas. Please include: Name, Organization, Address and Telephone Number. (5) Organizations, mailing lists (electronic and paper), periodicals, etc. to whom a solicitation for proposals should be sent when developed. Please include: Name, Organization, Address and Telephone Number. (6) We would benefit from knowing why users that know about NASA remote sensing data do not use the data. Is it because they do not have ties to NASA investigators, or high cost, lack of accessibility, incompatible data formats, poor area of interest coverage, inadequate spatial or spectral resolution, ...? (7) In case we have questions, please send us your name, address, phone number (and e-mail address if you have one). If you don't wish to send us this information, feel free to respond to the survey anonymously. Thank you for your assistance. ";-1;0 "From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio de Re) Subject: Re: atheist? Reply-To: lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA Organization: MegaByte Digital Telecommunications Lines: 33 Tony Lezard writes: >My opinion is that the strong atheist position requires too much >belief for me to be comfortable with. Any strong atheists out there >care to comment? As far as I can tell, strong atheists are far >outnumbered on alt.atheism by weak atheists. At the cost of repudiating the FAQ, I think too much is made of the strong vs weak atheism issue, although in the context of alt.atheism, where we're continually attacked on the basis that strong atheists ""believe"" in the non-existence of god, I think the separation is a valid one. To cover my arse, what I'm trying to say is that there is an infinitely grey area between weak and strong, as well as between strong and the unattainable mathematical atheism (I wish!). Whereas I _logically_ can only support the weak atheist position, in effect I am a strong atheist (and wish I could be a mathematical one). To justify my strong atheist position I believe I need only show that the evidence presented in favour of any of the gods under scrutiny is faulty. If I read the FAQ correctly, no argument for the existence of god (generic, as represented by mainstream theologians) has ever been found to be unassailable. To me this is adequate evidence that the _real_god_ is undefinable (or at least no definition has yet been found to be watertight), which in turn I accept as sufficient to base a disbelief in each and every conceivable god. I'm a little fuzzy on the edges, though, so opinions are welcome (but perhaps we should change the thread subject). -- Lucio de Re (lucio@proxima.Alt.ZA) - tab stops at four. ";9;1 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 21 In article <1r46ofINNdku@gap.caltech.edu> palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer) writes: >>orbiting billboard... > >I would just like to point out that it is much easier to place an >object at orbital altitude than it is to place it with orbital >velocity. For a target 300 km above the surface of Earth, >you need a delta-v of 2.5 km/s. Assuming that rockets with specific >impulses of 300 seconds are easy to produce, a rocket with a dry >weight of 50 kg would require only about 65 kg of fuel+oxidizer... Unfortunately, if you launch this from the US (or are a US citizen), you will need a launch permit from the Office of Commercial Space Transportation, and I think it may be difficult to get a permit for an antisatellite weapon... :-) The threshold at which OCST licensing kicks in is roughly 100km. (The rules are actually phrased in more complex ways, but that is the result.) -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";2;1 "From: rytg7@fel.tno.nl (Q. van Rijt) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory Lines: 26 There is another useful method based on Least Sqyares Estimation of the sphere equation parameters. The points (x,y,z) on a spherical surface with radius R and center (a,b,c) can be written as (x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 + (z-c)^2 = R^2 This equation can be rewritten into the following form: 2ax + 2by + 2cz + R^2 - a^2 - b^2 -c^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 Approximate the left hand part by F(x,y,z) = p1.x + p2.x + p3.z + p4.1 For all datapoints, i.c. 4, determine the 4 parameters p1..p4 which minimise the average error |F(x,y,z) - x^2 - y^2 - z^2|^2. In 'Numerical Recipes in C' can be found algorithms to solve these parameters. The best fitting sphere will have - center (a,b,c) = (p1/2, p2/2, p3/2) - radius R = sqrt(p4 + a.a + b.b + c.c). So, at last, will this solve you sphere estination problem, at least for the most situations I think ?. Quick van Rijt, rytg7@fel.tno.nl ";-1;0 "From: x89olarte1@gw.wmich.edu Subject: My computer gets locked!! HELP!!!!!! Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 17 A weird thing has happened to my computer lately, it gets locked (stops doing anything) at any instance without any reason whatsover. I might be using Edit and gets locked, or i might be at the prompt at the same occurs. It happens almost once every 3 times i connect the computer, Does Anyone have the slight idea what's wrong with it? (If i try to use CTRL-ALT-DEL after that, no response. I have to turn it off and back on again) Thanks. Any help will be really appreciated. E-mail if possible as sometimes i can't access this service. Enrique ";-1;0 "From: galpin@cats.ucsc.edu (Dan) Subject: Re: BusLogic 542B questions Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu In article tiger@netcom.com (Tiger Zhao) writes: >goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: >>Can anyone tell me if this card works with the March OS/2 2.1 beta? > > I believe so, since the Buslogic cards have proven to be very >reliable in OS/2 2.0.... > The BusLogic cards have an OS/2 2.0 driver that does work with the March 2.1 beta. Support for the BusLogic cards is not included with OS/2 2.0 any longer. If you wish to install the beta from the CD/ROM, you will need to REM out the Adaptec device drivers, as they have a nasty tendency to crash the BusLogic cards when OS/2 attempts to use them. (Thanks Adaptec!) So you add the BusLogic drivers to the config.sys on the CD-ROM boot disk, and REM out the Adaptec drivers. Then you install the whole 1st half of the Beta.. and it won't work! IBM nicely copies in the Adaptec drivers once again. (Thanks IBM!) So.. REM out the Adaptec drivers once more.. and reboot. If you have everything in the right order.. it will work. Things are pretty smooth through the rest of the installation.. except OS/2 will try to install the Adaptec SCSI drivers once again at the end... so.. you are off to more REM statements and more fun. The BT 542Bk comes with drivers and costs the same as the Adaptec cards that do not come with drivers. The DOS drivers work great. This card can easily be configured to work with 8 different sets of I/O ports (and you can use multiple host adapters in one machine) If you get a new card.. it will also be able to support up to 8 GB drives under DOS. Hope this helps.. - Dan -- ****************************************************************************** * Dan Galpin galpin@cats.ucsc.edu * ****************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: neff123@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stephen Kearney) Subject: Re: Is Microsoft Windows really and Ope Article-I.D.: agate.1pr6r2$t7c Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu >ALL icons in Program Manager are aliases. Is that explicit >enough?? Apparently not. Many people complain about the confusion that results from the filemanager/progman split. It's just a basic flaw. Besides, what about the control panel icons? Where are all those little files? ";6;1 "From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) Subject: Re: How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? Article-I.D.: itexjct.2579 Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel Lines: 23 In <1993Apr5.211146.3662@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >I dunno, Warren. Just the other day I heard a rumor that ""Serdar Argic"" >(aka Hasan Mutlu and Ahmed Cosar and ZUMABOT) is not really a Turk at all, >but in fact is an Armenian who is attempting to make any discussion of the >massacres in Armenia of Turks so noise-laden as to make serious discussion >impossible, thereby cloaking the historical record with a tremendous cloud >of confusion. But what is Hasan B. Multu's middle name? I'm not sure, but I heard it was ""Bibo"". I also seem to recall that ""Argic"" is Azari for ""bites the wax Macedonian"". We don't have a mail address, but how about finding a snail address? Then instead of quashing Shergold rumors, we could just redirect them - Ahmed Cosar is a seven year old Greek boy with an incurable case of crossposting. His wish is to get into the Usenet Book of World Records for having the highest noise to signal ratio. -- /|/-\/-\ |__/__/_/ |warren@ / nysernet.org ";15;1 "From: gt9605a@prism.gatech.EDU (Arlo James Aude) Subject: 2-18"" Altec Lansing Subwoofers FOR SALE $250 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 7 The headline says it all!!!!!!!! -- Oh god I hope it works, Oh God I hope it works Damn, I should have know that RF stood for 'Rarely Functional' Arlo Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 Aude Internet: gt9605a@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) Subject: USENET Hockey Draft week 27 standings Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division Lines: 276 Well, I'm back from Tokyo, so here are the standings after the April 13 update. - Andrew USENET Hockey Draft Standings Week 27 Posn Team Pts Proj Cash Last Posn 1. Dave Wessels 1536 1572.8 1.9 (1) 2. Bob Hill 1481 1538.1 24.0 (3) 3. Gilles Carmel 1492 1529.9 1.0 (2) 4. Seppo Kemppainen 1430 1514.0 47.2 (5) 5. The Awesome Oilers 1412 1504.4 68.6 (4) 6. Hillside Raiders 1456 1495.2 7.0 (7) 7. Mak ""The Knife"" Paranjape 1424 1491.7 31.0 (6) 8. Jan Stein 1412 1483.2 35.3 (8) 9. this years model 1428 1479.3 17.6 (10) 10. Rangers Of Destiny 1401 1475.9 42.0 (9) Tapio Repo 1422 1475.9 19.6 (11) 12. FRANK'S BIG FISH 1398 1453.9 22.0 (12) 13. The Underachievers 1409 1452.9 10.1 (13) 14. On Thin Ice 1380 1440.9 32.3 (14) 15. Go Flames 1367 1438.1 40.3 (17) 16. littlest giants 1370 1437.7 35.6 (16) 17. Mopar Muscle Men 1400 1431.4 3.7 (18) 18. Lindros Losers 1396 1431.2 1.7 (15) 19. DIE Penguin Bandwaggoners 1357 1411.0 20.2 (19) 20. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 1360 1396.3 4.9 (20) 21. Boomer's Boys 1341 1371.6 0.2 (23) 22. General Accounting Office 1316 1369.4 20.9 (21) 23. Delaware Wombats 1341 1367.5 1.3 (24) 24. Migods Menschen 1307 1366.8 31.6 (22) 25. Wellsy's Buttheads DEC NH 1280 1362.3 52.6 (25) 26. Rocky Mountain High 1325 1357.2 1.8 (26) 27. Fife Flyers 1283 1348.4 31.4 (27) 28. Gerald Olchowy 1275 1340.2 33.7 (28) 29. Dave Snell 1281 1335.7 25.0 (59) 30. Fluide Glacial 1291 1333.7 18.0 (29) 31. Gaoler 1279 1321.5 11.2 (30) 32. SmegHeads 1289 1315.8 0.3 (31) 33. The Young And The Skateless 1235 1305.6 42.9 (32) 34. Sam & His Dogs 1262 1297.3 11.6 (34) 35. Neural Netters 1251 1294.2 11.3 (35) 36. Youngbucs 1206 1288.1 101.7 (36) 37. Artic Storm 1220 1287.7 39.3 (33) 38. Soft Swedes 1205 1281.5 46.9 (37) 39. Jeff Horvath 1239 1268.6 5.6 (38) 40. Milton Keynes Kings 1229 1262.5 2.8 (40) 41. Hamster from Hoboken 1223 1257.0 8.7 (41) Kuehn Crushers 1185 1257.0 45.1 (45) 43. Le Fleur de Lys 1202 1256.9 25.3 (42) 44. Yan The Man Loke 1225 1255.5 0.7 (39) 45. Legion of Hoth 1208 1251.1 15.8 (48) 46. Simmonac 1169 1249.4 87.6 (44) 47. The Finnish Force 1192 1245.1 22.5 (46) 48. ice legion 1193 1244.8 28.8 (43) 49. Streaks 1161 1242.8 54.8 (47) 50. Brian Bergman 1190 1241.0 23.3 (55) 51. Goaldingers 1190 1239.3 22.0 (49) 52. T C OverAchievers 1209 1237.0 2.9 (52) 53. Grant Marven 1196 1231.2 2.9 (50) 54. Bozrah Bruins 1155 1223.9 45.2 (54) 55. Real Bad Toe Jam 1150 1223.4 48.9 (62) 56. Houdini's Magicians 1181 1222.4 18.3 (61) 57. Skriko Wolves 1186 1221.5 5.4 (53) 58. rec.sport.hockey choices 1196 1221.1 1.3 (63) 59. buffalo soldiers 1142 1220.3 62.1 (65) 60. bemybaby 1140 1219.9 54.2 (51) 61. LIPPE 1179 1215.2 13.9 (56) 62. Randy Coulman 1185 1214.8 5.2 (57) 63. LAMP LIGHTERS 1180 1211.6 5.9 (58) 64. Steven And Mark Dream Team 1174 1206.2 3.1 (60) 65. Indianapolis Bennies 1160 1205.4 20.8 (66) 66. Tom 1160 1202.8 13.1 (68) 67. Bloom County All Stars 1164 1198.8 4.3 (67) 68. Bruins 1174 1198.5 0.1 (72) 69. Phil and Kev's Karma Dudes 1172 1198.0 0.8 (69) 70. smithw 1146 1194.5 21.0 (73) 71. Iowa Hockeyes 1149 1193.8 16.3 (64) 72. Doug Bowles 1146 1190.6 20.0 (71) 73. The Great Pumpkin 1108 1187.3 54.4 (74) 74. NON! 1145 1186.4 16.4 (77) 75. shooting seamen 1161 1183.3 0.1 (75) 76. Frank Worthless 1149 1182.7 6.3 (76) 77. AIK Exiles 1116 1179.8 34.5 (70) 78. Invisible Inc 1156 1177.4 1.1 (78) 79. Brad Gibson 1126 1176.9 27.2 (79) 80. Cougarmania 1114 1165.7 24.8 (88) 81. Kortelaisen Kovat 1086 1165.2 164.1 (85) 82. PLP Fools 1135 1163.1 0.1 (81) 83. David Wong 1082 1161.6 66.1 (84) 84. John Zupancic 1102 1160.7 27.1 (82) 85. garryola 1121 1159.4 9.7 (89) 86. Gary Bergman Fan Club 1128 1157.6 5.1 (93) 87. Staffan Axelsson 1120 1157.1 15.1 (83) 88. Chubby Checkers 1110 1156.2 16.3 (80) 89. Derrill's Dastardly Dozen 1109 1155.0 22.1 (90) 90. Chocolate Rockets 1121 1150.7 2.5 (86) 91. Ken DeCruyenaere 1113 1147.9 5.0 (87) 92. Fisher Dirtbags 1119 1147.4 0.7 (94) 93. KODIAKS 1122 1146.0 1.3 (95) 94. No Namers 1067 1145.8 58.2 (91) 95. The Campi Machine 1061 1145.2 65.3 (92) 96. BSC Oranienburg 1115 1142.4 7.1 (98) 97. The Kamucks 1064 1141.5 76.1 (97) 98. Arsenal Maple Leafs 1108 1138.4 3.8 (96) 99. Ellis Islanders 1096 1128.0 7.6 (100) 100. Mombasa Mosquitos 1090 1122.4 6.1 (101) 101. Zachmans Wingers 1051 1122.1 49.8 (103) 102. Edelweiss 1091 1121.0 2.9 (102) 103. Bjoern Leaguen 1039 1118.5 61.4 (112) 104. Dirty White Socks 1050 1116.5 43.4 (105) 105. Wormtown Woosbags 1039 1116.1 72.6 (104) 106. Neil Younger 1036 1115.0 77.7 (114) 107. Hurricane Andrew 1082 1114.8 7.6 (106) 108. King Suke 1089 1114.5 0.1 (110) 109. Larry 1078 1114.3 11.8 (107) 110. Het Schot Is Hard 1076 1113.6 18.1 (115) 111. VoteNoOct26 1056 1112.6 31.8 (108) 112. Bloodgamers 1046 1111.6 42.1 (99) Bruce's Rented Mules 1077 1111.6 11.9 (108) 114. Teem Kanada 1075 1110.6 16.0 (111) 115. Frank's Follies 1063 1106.5 24.2 (113) 116. Oklahoma Stormchasers 1053 1103.6 28.3 (121) 117. SPUDS 1068 1103.4 12.6 (119) 118. Pond Slime 1081 1102.3 0.7 (117) 119. PSV Dartmouth 1071 1101.4 7.1 (116) 120. Mark Sanders 1065 1099.2 11.1 (120) 121. Blue Talon 1062 1096.5 13.3 (126) 122. Stanford Ice Hawks 1043 1094.7 28.2 (118) 123. Aye Carumba!!! 1063 1089.6 3.9 (124) 124. Kokudo Keikaku Bunnies 1021 1088.0 40.3 (125) 125. Timo Ojala 1059 1085.7 0.3 (122) 126. Haral 1057 1085.3 7.3 (128) 127. Cluster Buster 1048 1083.4 7.6 (136) 128. Dirty Rotten Puckers 1054 1082.7 1.2 (135) 129. Apricot Fuzzfaces 1037 1081.1 23.3 (127) 130. The Lost Poots 1048 1080.5 6.7 (132) 131. Nesbitt 1058 1078.6 1.1 (123) 132. Gary Bill Pens Dynasty 1035 1077.8 19.6 (144) 133. garys team 1035 1076.2 17.1 (129) 134. Arctic Circles 1012 1074.1 37.6 (131) 135. Seattle PFTB 1028 1074.0 22.9 (132) 136. Late Night with David Letterman 1049 1073.7 0.0 (130) 137. Le Groupe MI 1020 1073.2 30.2 (141) 138. GO BRUINS 1046 1072.7 6.2 (140) 139. Scott Glenn 1038 1069.7 10.2 (138) 140. Flying Kiwis 1035 1068.7 9.1 (136) 141. team gold 1029 1067.4 16.7 (142) 142. Closet Boy's Boys 995 1064.6 48.0 (143) 143. Wild Hearted Sons 1036 1064.4 4.9 (153) 144. boutch 92-93 1023 1063.2 20.0 (134) 145. Andy Y F WONG 1019 1062.6 21.5 (147) Wembley LostWeekenders 1040 1062.6 0.3 (152) 147. McKees Rocks Rockers 1036 1062.4 5.1 (144) 148. Book 'em Danno's Bushbabies 1032 1062.1 10.5 (163) 149. Dree Hobbs 1020 1060.2 13.4 (139) 150. GO HABS GO 1027 1058.1 8.0 (151) 151. Goddess Of Fermentation 1005 1057.8 30.2 (156) 152. Tim Rogers 1024 1056.8 8.1 (146) 153. convex stars 1026 1055.9 5.6 (160) 154. Einstein's Rock Band 1033 1055.7 0.0 (154) 155. Princeton Canucks 979 1055.5 124.2 (150) 156. Tap 1028 1055.2 0.5 (155) 157. Hubert's Hockey Homeboys 1030 1053.9 0.6 (163) Buttered Waffles 981 1053.9 46.0 (148) 159. MY TEAM 977 1052.0 174.8 (162) 160. Bob's Blues 980 1050.9 46.8 (149) 161. furleys furies 1021 1046.6 3.6 (159) 162. HUNTERS & COLLECTORS 982 1045.9 42.4 (157) Les Nordiques 974 1045.9 60.4 (161) 164. Satan's Choice 1012 1045.3 14.5 (173) 165. Dr Joel Fleishman 1020 1043.9 3.7 (158) 166. 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Dinamo Riga 595 663.9 571.6 (262) -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... ";13;1 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: NAVSTAR positions Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net C-3's bird may be flaking out and expecting to die soon. or C-3 may orbit over major users areas, and it may be needed to provide redundancy on that plane while b-4 may orbit over hicksville, and not have muc of a user community. pat ";-1;0 "From: brian@gab.unt.edu (Brian ""Drakula"" Stone) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Lines: 39 Organization: College of Arts and Sciences >The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. >The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. >Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, >and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that >homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general >male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for >straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically >how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. >-- Isn't is funny how someone who seems to know nothing about homosexuality uses a very flawed (IMHO) source of information to pass jusgement on all homosexual and bisexual men. It would seem more logical to say that since the heterosexual group of men is larger then the chances of promiscuity larger as well. In my opinion, orientation has nothing to do with it. Men are men and they all like sex. I am a gay male. I have had sex three times in my life, all with the same man. Before that, I was a virgin. So... whose promiscuous? Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they have no morals. Just because someone is heterosexual doesn't mean they do. Look at the world.... Statistics alone prove that most criminals are by default hetero... Look closely at the person, not the group. All flames will be ignored. :) Later, _______________________ ______________________________________ ( )( ) ( Brian Stone )( ) ( UNT-CAS Tech. Support )( Life without your touch is hard, ) ( )( but life without you in unthinkable. ) ( brian@gab.unt.edu )( ) (_______________________)(______________________________________) ";-1;0 "From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Re: 4-plane Xterminal (Do I want one?) Keywords: plane, Xterminal Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 12 In article chudel@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Hudel) writes: > > >PS: all R5 apps run on R4/R3 servers,right? The 4-bit server should work fine. As far as I know, Xterminals running older versions can run the latest apps as long as the host machine has the R5 libraries installed. I could be wrong though. -- mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu ""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown ";-1;0 "From: (Rashid) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179 Organization: NH Lines: 34 > What about the Twelve Imams, who he considered incapable of error > or sin? Khomeini supports this view of the Twelve Imans. This is > heresy for the very reasons I gave above. I would be happy to discuss the issue of the 12 Imams with you, although my preference would be to move the discussion to another newsgroup. I feel a philosophy or religion group would be more appropriate. The topic is deeply embedded in the world view of Islam and the esoteric teachings of the Prophet (S.A.). Heresy does not enter into it at all except for those who see Islam only as an exoteric religion that is only nominally (if at all) concerned with the metaphysical substance of man's being and nature. A good introductory book (in fact one of the best introductory books to Islam in general) is Murtaza Mutahhari's ""Fundamental's of Islamic Thought - God, Man, and the Universe"" - Mizan Press, translated by R. Campbell. Truly a beautiful book. A follow-up book (if you can find a decent translation) is ""Wilaya - The Station of the Master"" by the same author. I think it also goes under the title of ""Master and Mastership"" - It's a very small book - really just a transcription of a lecture by the author. The introduction to the beautiful ""Psalms of Islam"" - translated by William C. Chittick (available through Muhammadi Trust of Great Britain) is also an excellent introduction to the subject. We have these books in our University library - I imagine any well stocked University library will have them. From your posts, you seem fairly well versed in Sunni thought. You should seek to know Shi'ite thought through knowledgeable Shi'ite authors as well - at least that much respect is due before the charge of heresy is levelled. As salaam a-laikum ";-1;0 "From: nshah@acs2.bu.edu Subject: SIMM for Sale Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 6 Originator: nshah@acs2.bu.edu I have 1 4Mx9 70ns 36pin SIMM for Sale. It is in perfect condition. It will not work in my system because it requires 72 pin SIMMS. I would like to get what I paid for it. $115 + 3 for insured shipping. In addition, if you have a 4MB 70ns 72 pin EISA or PS/2 type SIMM for sale, drop me a line. Thanks. Nimesh Shah nshah@acs.bu.edu ";-1;0 "From: mmontgom@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Matthew R. Montgomery) Subject: Re: With a surge in the last two weeks... Organization: Washington & Lee University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 15 : Watch us soar in 1993! Shouldn't that be 'Watch us stoned in 1993!'? :) or maybe 'Watch us suck in 1993!' or even 'Watch us sore in 1993!' ________________________________________________________________________ Matt Montgomery 'No, really I *like* the Phillies' ________________________________________________________________________ ";-1;0 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Lines: 19 Even more interesting: the SMTP server at csrc.ncsl.nist.gov no longer recognizes the 'expn' and 'vrfy' commands... telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov smtp Trying 129.6.54.11... Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov. Escape character is '^]'. 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:01:34 EDT expn clipper 500 Command unrecognized Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc. Or mine. Or the dozen or so other people who probably had the same idea :-) So does this rush to shut it down imply that some of the names on that list *are* heavy-duty spooks? :-))) G ";-1;0 "From: gay@selkirk.sfu.ca (Ian D. Gay) Subject: Re: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 10 kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla) writes: [stuff about changing windows registration omitted] >the damned thing anyway. This technique should work with just about >any obnoxious corporate product that tries to write to the original >floppies when you install; in some extreme cases you may not be able Huh??? My copy of win 3.1 came on _permanently_ write-protected diskettes. (No sliding tabs). ";-1;0 "From: hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) Subject: Re: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 25 koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc) writes: >> Problem 1 >> >> My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the >> Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary >> heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops. >> The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time, >> pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third >> time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were >> still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from >> this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the > massacre. >> >Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760 >Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After all, > they are not as innocent as the asala network claims. Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to lose count around 1.5 million. Hovig ";-1;0 "From: aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page) Subject: Re: SetWUTime Works on a PB 230 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 12 I have tested this on a 230 and it does work there. So it would seem that the 140 and 170 are out though. One way to tell is to go and open the PowerBook control panel(7.1). There is a setting there that allows you to set the time to wake up the Mac. If it is present when you open the control panel, then you can assume that SetWUTime will work. -- Andrew E. Page (Warrior Poet) | Decision and Effort The Archer and Arrow Mac Consultant | The difference between what we are Macintosh and DSP Technology | and what we want to be. ";-1;0 "From: richard@harlqn.co.uk (Richard Brooksby) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Harlequin Ltd, Cambridge, UK Lines: 21 Nanci Ann Miller writes: > snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > > More horrible deaths resulted from atheism than anything else. > > There are definitely quite a few horrible deaths as the result of > both atheists AND theists. ... Perhaps, since I'm a bit weak on > history, somone here would like to give a list of wars caused/led by > theists? ... This thread seems to be arguing the validity of a religious viewpoint according to some utilitarian principle, i.e. atheism/religion is wrong because it causes death. The underlying `moral' is that death is `wrong'. This is a rather arbitrary measure of validity. Get some epistemology. --- richard@harlequin.com (Internet) richard@harlequin.co.uk (Internet) RPTB1@UK.AC.CAMBRIDGE.PHOENIX (JANET) Zen Buddhist ";-1;0 "From: kelley@vet.vet.purdue.edu (Stephen Kelley) Subject: Re: Should I be angry at this doctor? Organization: Purdue University SVM Distribution: na Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr21.155714.1@stsci.edu> mryan@stsci.edu writes: - Am I justified in being pissed off at this doctor? - - Last Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife. - I took him to a local ""Urgent and General Care"" clinic at 5:50 pm. The [story deleted] - be bothered. My son did get three stitches at the emergency room. I'm still - trying to find out who is in charge of that clinic so I can write them a - letter. We will certainly never set foot in that clinic again. - The people in charge already know what kind of 'care' they are providing, and they don't give a rat's ass about your repeat business. You are much more likely to do some good writing to local newspapers, and broadcast news shows. If you do, keep the letter short and to the point so they don't discard it out of hand, and emphasize exactly what you are upset about. It's possible that the local health department can help you complain to someone official, but really, that 'clinic' exists for the sole purpose of generating walk-in income through advertising, and *nothing* you can do will change them -- all you can hope for is to help someone else avoid them. I'm glad it sounds like your son did ok, anyway. My opinion only, of course, Steve ";-1;0 "From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) Subject: Re: Hamza Salah, the Humanist Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Lines: 19 dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes: > He-he. The great humanist speaks. One has to read Mr. Salah's posters, > in which he decribes Jews as ""sons of pigs and monkeys"", keeps > promising the ""final battle"" between Muslims and Jews (in which the > stons and the trees will ""cry for the Muslims to come and kill the > Jews hiding behind them""), makes jokes about Jews dying from heart > attacks etc, to realize his objective stance on the matters involved. > > -Danny Keren. ---------- Don't worry, Danny, every blatantly violent and abusive posting made by Hamzah is immediately forwarded to the operator of the system in which he has an account. I'd imagine they have quite a file started on this fruitcake--and have already indicated that they have rules governing racist and threatening use of their resources. I'd imagine he'll be out of our hair in a short while. Todd ";-1;0 "From: pmontan@nswc-wo.navy.mil (Paul Montanaro) Subject: Re: IIci -> Q700 upgrade? Organization: NSWC Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr15.164053.29298@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, dudek@daeron.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Gregory Dudek) wrote: > > In article $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com writes: > > > >A while ago I posted a note asking for specs on the Quadra 700, and opinions on > >the Q700 upgrade of a IIci vs. an accelerator card. So far no responsed that > >I've noticed. Please let me know what you think of these possible upgrade > >paths: Cost, efficiency, pros/cons, etc.. Thanks! > > Complete Q700 are best obtained from your dealer or some recent > copy of MacWorld or MacUser. My foggy memory suggests that the most relevant > comparison factors vis-a-vis a IIci are as follows: > > 25 MHz 68040 > 16 Mhz data path (don't recall this for sure, but it's slower > than Q 950 style machines for sure). > Ethertalk card on-board > Audio in/out > 4 MB RAM on motherboard > 4 SIMM slots > 2 NuBus slots. > More flexible build-in video than the CI. Uses VRAM. > > In comparison, a IIci with an accelerator won't give you > audio or ethernet or the same video options. > With a 68040 accelerator, CPU performance can be comparable but I > think it ends up costing more. > > Greg Dudek Actually, an accelerator such as the Daystar 33 MHz 68040 is cheaper than upgrading to a Q700 (25 MHz). The accelerator costs about $1400 whereas the upgrade costs $2131 (just quoted from my dealer). However the Q700 upgrade gives you very fast built in video that supports monitors up to 21"" with 8 bit depth and up to 16"" at 24 bit depth (with additional VRAM). It also has a SCSI port capable of a much faster throughput than the CI, which makes a big difference if you have a fast hard drive. If the improved video and SCSI features are important to you, you're better off getting the Q700 upgrade, otherwise save some money and get an accelerator. Paul ";0;1 "From: chairman@staff.tc.umn.edu (Gene Naftulyev) Subject: FOR SALE: Ethernet board / 24 bit Supermac Combo Article-I.D.: news2.C51oH4.42y Organization: U of M Lines: 26 X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Mon, 5 Apr 93 04:29:34 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-6.gw.umn.edu X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Gene's stuff for sale...NEW PRICES!!! The following items are for sale: Qty. Description List Price ________________________________________________________________________ 1 SuperMac ColorLink SX/T 24 bit NuBUS/10BASE-T 750.00 _549.00_ This card is primo! selling for $675 mailorder It suports monitors up to 19 in. with 28"" x 28"" virtual desktop. Accelerated, hardware pan, etc! This quick sale price includes free 2nd day air! 1 Seagate ST1480 430 meg 3.5 in HD 2 mo. old 989.00 675.00 NOTE: All hardware is in normal working order. Prices do NOT include shipping. All items shipped COD (USA) or pre-paid (anywhere) Sold: 1 IIsi NuBUS adapter card with FPU 189.00 _115.00_ For any items please contact: Gene Naftulyev chairman@staff.tc.umn.edu or call (612) 942-0134 ";-1;0 "From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) Subject: Re: pink tools [was: Re: What is it with girlfriends and motorcycles?] Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth Lines: 1 Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 I ONLY Just prevented myself from diving in on this one..... ";-1;0 "From: wirehead@cheshire.oxy.edu (David J. Harr) Subject: Any Nanao 750i compatible Mac video cards? Summary: I can get ehe monitor, but can I drive it? Keywords: 21"" monitor, 24 bit video, Macintosh Organization: The programmers who say NEE! Lines: 15 Does anyone know if a Nanao 750i is compatible with any popular Mac video cards? I have an oppurtunity to get a brand new one, cheap, and I am very tempted, but it will be a waste of time if I can't drive it using a standard video card. While I'm on the subject, what's everybody's reccomendations for a 21"" color monitor. I've heard good things about the NEC 6FG, and of course, there is always the reliable old Macintosh 21"" display, but what are YOUR experiences. David J Harr Cyberpunk Software. ""My definition of happiness is being famous for your financial ability to indulge in every form of excess."" -- Calvin ";-1;0 "From: creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps) Subject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy Organization: Indiana University Lines: 72 In article jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes: >Example. Last Sunday (Palm Sunday) we went to the local church. Usually >on Palm Sunday, the congregation participates in reading the Passion, taking >the role of the mob. The theology behind this seems profound--when we say >""Crucify him"" we mean it. We did it, and if He came back today we'd do it >again. It always gives me chills. But last week we were ""invited"" to sit >during the Gospel (=Passion) and _listen_. Besides the Orwellian ""invitation"", On Palm Sunday at our parish, we were ""invited"" to take the role of Jesus in the Passion. I declined to participate. Last year at the liturgy meeting I pointed out how we crucify Christ by our sins, so therefore it is appropriate that we retain the role of the crowd, but to no avail. >musicians, readers, and so on. New things are introduced in the course of the >liturgy and since no one knows what's happening, the new things have to be >explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we're just >sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about >to be done. In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay >""experts"", but that may not be just. I do think that a liturgy committee has a >bias toward doing something rather than nothing--that's just a fact of >bureaucratic life--even though a simpler liturgy may in fact make it easier for >people to be aware of the Lord's presence. As a member of a liturgy committee, I can tell you that the problem is certain people dominating, who want to try out all kinds of innovations. The priests don't seem even to _want_ to make any decisions of their own in many cases. I guess it's easier to ""try something new"" than it is to refuse to allow it. At our parish on Holy Thursday, instead of the priests washing feet (""Who wants to get around people's feet,"" according to one of our priests) the congregation was ""invited"" to come up and help wash one another's hands. The symbolism of this action distressed me, and again I refused to participate. I thought that if we were to have to come up with rubrics for this liturgical action (i.e. ""Body of Christ"" -- ""Amen"" for receiving Communion), that they could be ""I am not responsible for the blood of this man."" Also for part of the Eucharistic Prayer (""Blessed are You, God of all creation..."") was substituted some text read by a lay couple. The priest certainly should not have given this part of the Mass over to others, and I was so disturbed that I declined to receive Communion that night (we aren't required to anyway -- I instead offered up prayers for our priests and parish). >So we've been wondering--are we the oddballs, or is the quality of the Mass >going down? I don't mean that facetiously. We go to Mass every Thursday or >Friday and are reminded of the power of a very simple liturgy to make us aware >of God's presence. But as far as the obligatory Sunday Masses...maybe I should >just offer it up :) Has anyone else noticed declining congregational >participation in Catholic Masses lately? The quality of the Mass has not changed. Again, if it were to be celebrated according to the rubrics set down by the Church, it would still be ""liturgically"" beautiful. The problem comes about from people trying to be ""creative"" who are not. I think the answer to your question on participation could be that given by Father Peter Stravinskas in answer to the question posed by the title of Thomas Day's _Why Catholics Can't Sing_. ""They don't want to"" because of all this nonsense. By the way, for any non-Catholics reading this, the problem does not reflect bad liturgy by the Catholic Church, but by those who are disobedient to the Church in changing it on their own ""authority."" - - - - - - - - - - Steve Creps, Indiana University creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu ";-1;0 "From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) Subject: Re: Where are they now? Organization: Salvation Army Draft Board Lines: 31 In article <1ql0d3$5vo@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> geoff@East.Sun.COM writes: >Your posting provoked me into checking my save file for memorable >posts. The first I captured was by Ken Arromdee on 19 Feb 1990, on the >subject ""Re: atheist too?"". That was article #473 here; your question >was article #53766, which is an average of about 48 articles a day for >the last three years. As others have noted, the current posting rate is >such that my kill file is depressing large...... Among the posting I >saved in the early days were articles from the following notables: > >>From: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich) >>From: jchrist@nazareth.israel.rel (Jesus Christ of Nazareth) >>From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) >>From: perry@apollo.HP.COM (Jim Perry) >>From: lippard@uavax0.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) >>From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky) > >An interesting bunch.... I wonder where #2 is? Didn't you hear? His address has changed. He can be reached at the following address: dkoresh@branch.davidian.compound.waco.tx.us I think he was last seen posting to alt.messianic. Jim -- If God is dead and the actor plays his part | -- Sting, His words of fear will find their way to a place in your heart | History Without the voice of reason every faith is its own curse | Will Teach Us Without freedom from the past things can only get worse | Nothing ";9;1 "From: asimov@wk223.nas.nasa.gov (Daniel A. Asimov) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes: > >Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used >to compute sunrise and sunset times. > >Joe Wetstein There is a wonderful book by Jean Meeus called ""Astronomical Algorithms,"" (1991) which I am fairly sure contains an algorithm for sunrise and sunset times. Dan Asimov Mail Stop T045-1 NASA Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 asimov@nas.nasa.gov (415) 604-4799 ";-1;0 "From: aliceb@tea4two.Eng.Sun.COM (Alice Taylor) Subject: accupuncture and AIDS Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 8 Distribution: world Reply-To: aliceb@tea4two.Eng.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: tea4two A friend of mine is seeing an acupuncturist and wants to know if there is any danger of getting AIDS from the needles. Thanks, -alice ";-1;0 "From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Benediktine Metaphysics Lines: 24 Benedikt Rosenau writes, with great authority: > IF IT IS CONTRADICTORY IT CANNOT EXIST. ""Contradictory"" is a property of language. If I correct this to THINGS DEFINED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST I will object to definitions as reality. If you then amend it to THINGS DESCRIBED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST then we've come to something which is plainly false. Failures in description are merely failures in description. (I'm not an objectivist, remember.) -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" ";-1;0 "From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) Subject: Re: Law and Economics Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93 Lines: 174 NNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu In-reply-to: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu [Procedural note: Ted directed followups to misc.legal only. While I respect his right to do so, my own opinions are that (1) ""Followup-To"" fields are mere suggestions, not mandatory commands and (2) this issue is of sufficient (a) general political relevance and (b) civil liberties interest to warrant keeping it active in t.p.m and a.s.c-l as well, at least for this round.] In article <1993Apr11.155955.23346@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu said: > Uh, no. That's not what happened in _Boomer_. What happened in > _Boomer_ was that the judge didn't allow the plaintiffs to blackmail > the cement plant by demanding a multi-million dollar plant to be shut > down over $185,000 in damages, and required the plant to pay the > plaintiffs the $185,000 to make them whole. The plant would never > have been shut down-- the plaintiff's lawyers would have just > negotiated a windfall settlement, because the plaintiffs would prefer > an amount greater than $185K to having the plant shut down, while the > plant would prefer any amount less than the value of the plant to have > the plant continue in operation. Everyone's property rights were > protected; the plaintiffs were made whole; unnecessary settlement > costs were avoided. Okay, now here's my interpretation of _Boomer_, based on the facts as presented in the New York Court of Appeals<*> holding (_Boomer v. <*>Note: The New York Court of Appeals is the highest court in New York State. While the United States and 48 of the fifty states call their highest court ""Supreme Court,"" ""Supreme Judicial Court"" or ""Supreme Court of Appeals,"" Maryland and New York call theirs simply the ""Court of Appeals."" To make matters worse, New York also calls its _second-highest_ court the ""Supreme Court, Appellate Division""... Atlantic Cement Co._, 26 N.Y.2d 219, 257 N.E.2d 870 (1970)): Oscar H. Boomer, et al., owned land near the Atlantic Cement company's plant near Albany, N.Y. (The fact pattern gives no information as to which came first, the plaintiff's acquisition of the land or he defendant's start of production at their cement plant.) In the course of its regular operations, the cement plant did injury to the plaintiffs' property via dirt, smoke and vibrations emanating from the plant. The plaintiffs sought injunctive relief -- that is, they asked the court to order Atlantic Cement to stop damaging their property. (Commentary: this seems entirely reasonable to me. Boomer at al owned their property and, presumably, a right to quiet enjoyment of it. Atlantic Cement's actions were depriving Boomer et al of that right.) Instead of granting the plaintiffs' request for an injunction, the court ordered them to accept the damage being done to their property, provided that Atlantic Cement paid them $185,000 in compensatory damages. In other words, the court granted Atlantic Cement Co., a private party, the power and authority to _take_ the plaintiffs rights to quiet enjoyment of their property by eminent domain. A taking by eminent domain is always problematical even when it's done by the state; allowing a private firm to do it is, in my opinion, totally wrong. (Yes, I know, the _Boomer_ court didn't call it eminent domain. But if it walks like eminent domain and swims like eminent domain and quacks like eminent domain...) Let me take issue with the way you've presented the case... you say that ""What happened in _Boomer_ was that the judge didn't allow the plaintiffs to blackmail the cement plant by demanding a multi-million dollar plant to be shut down over $185,000 in damages."" Blackmail? (Pulls out Black's Law Dictionary, Abridged 5th Edition.... ""Blackmail: Unlawful demand of money or property under threat to do bodily harm, to injure property, to accuse of crime, or to expose disgraceful defects. This crime is commonly included under extortion statutes."") How do you define as ""blackmail"" one party's act of demanding the right to set its own sale price for a unique piece of property which it owns and which another party has expressed an interest in buying? Or of demanding the right not to sell that property at any price? As I see it, Boomer et al, having found themselves in the fortunate position of owning something which Atlantic Cement had to purchase if it wanted to stay in business, had every right in the world to set whatever price they wanted. There isn't, or at least shouldn't be, any law that says that you have to be a nice guy in your private business dealings. You go on to say: ""The plant would never have been shut down -- the plaintiff's lawyers would have just negotiated a windfall settlement, because the plaintiffs would prefer an amount greater than $185K to having the plant shut down, while the plant would prefer any amount less than the value of the plant to have the plant continue in operation."" If so, so what? Since when are the courts supposed to be in the business of preventing parties from reaping windfall settlements from other parties when those settlements arise from wrongful acts by those other parties? If Atlantic Cement didn't want to have to face a choice between paying a windfall settlement or going out of business, well, shouldn't Atlantic Cement have thought of that before going _into_ business? (I note that as far as the facts show Boomer et al were _not_ the parties responsible for bringing about this situation -- that was Atlantic Cement's own fault for choosing to build and operate the type of plant they did where and when they did.) And then you say: ""Everyone's property rights were protected; the plaintiffs were made whole; unnecessary settlement costs were avoided."" As above, I dispute your claim that the plaintiffs were ""made whole."" They were, in fact, by court action deprived of their rights as owners of property to choose to sell or not sell that property at a price acceptable to them. And for that deprivation they were _not_ made whole. And again I ask: Since when are the courts supposed to be in the business of ensuring that ""unnecessary"" settlement costs are avoided? (If so, I've been miseducated -- I always thought that the courts were supposed to be in the business of ensuring that justice is done.) > Is _Boomer_ really being taught as ""infamous?"" That's really sad if > it is, because I fail to see how it's less than completely sensible. > You should read the law and economics stuff first-hand instead of > filtered through teachers who clearly don't like it, for whatever > inexplicable reasons. (1) _Boomer_ is not being taught as ""infamous,"" at least not at my school. (Aside: Northeastern Law usually does a very good job of hiring for their first-year, mandatory classes (such as Torts, where I first encountered _Boomer_) instructors who, regardless of their personal opinions, can and do teach the law neutrally. When the students get into their second and third years, in which the students (a) can pick and choose which courses to take (except for the mandatory Professional Responsibility, of course) and (b) are presumed to be a bit more worldly and self-confident, less likely to be consciously or sub-consciously intimidated by Law School Professors and able to learn from openly biased instructors rather than be indoctrinated by them, the instructors tend to be more open in expressing their own opinions. This is especially true of part-time instructors who, in real life, are practicing attorneys or sitting judges... this can be _very_ educational, sometimes far more so than being taught by a somewhat cloistered scholar. End of aside.) I called it infamous because that's my opinion of it. For the reasons I've stated above, I believe it to be a triumph of something that I can only call ""economic correctness"" over justice. (2) It is ""completely sensible"" only if you believe that the alleged right of the owners of Atlantic Cement to stay in business and avoid losing a lot of their own money due to their own wrongful act, and the alleged right of several hundred Atlantic Cement employees to not have their jobs disappear, should trump the rights of people who own property which was damaged by Atlantic Cement's wrongful acts. (And if you believe that it is correct for the courts (or any other branch of government) to grant to private parties the right to take other people's property by eminent domain.) > You'd like Posner, Bill. He's a libertarian. Really? I didn't know that... what, if anything, has he had to say about cases like _Boomer_? > Of course, he has too much of a paper trail to ever be nominated by a > president, Democrat (won't like his antitrust stance) or Republican > (won't like his support of gay marriage), and if bright law students > ""shiver"" at what they don't understand, it's easy to imagine how the > press will play it up as baby-selling. (I've seen Mike Godwin claim > that Posner asserts that law and economics is applicable to everything > and is the end-all and be-all, when Posner says precisely the > opposite.) So it goes. I've admitted that my understanding of the field generally referred to as ""law and economics"" is weak. If it advocates the use of economical analysis as one of many ""tie-breaker"" factors which courts may use to help them reach decisions in cases in which the dispute, as measured by the scale of ""justice"", is evenly balanced, fine. But as illustrated by _Boomer_, it is _not_ fine when the courts start viewing the economics of a case as being more important than the justice of a case. -- William December Starr ";-1;0 "From: enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) Subject: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia Lines: 38 From the article ""What's New"" Apr-16-93 in sci.physics.research: ........ WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC 1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE ""SPINOFFS"" WE WERE PROMISED? In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published ""The Man Who Sold the Moon,"" which involved a dispute over the sale of rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this hideous vision of the future. Observers were startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the side of the booster rockets. Space Marketing Inc. had arranged for the ad to promote Arnold's latest movie. Now, Space Marketing is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth orbit. NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates (WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. .......... What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). Is NASA really supporting this junk? Are protesting groups being organized in the States? Really, really depressed. Enzo -- Vincenzo Liguori | enzo@research.canon.oz.au Canon Information Systems Research Australia | Phone +61 2 805 2983 PO Box 313 NORTH RYDE NSW 2113 | Fax +61 2 805 2929 ";-1;0 "From: ibeshir@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ibrahim) Subject: Terminal forsale Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 1 ";-1;0 "From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: ""Cruel"" (was Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: > >But we were discussing it in relation to the death penalty. And, the >Constitution need not define each of the words within. Anyone who doesn't >know what cruel is can look in the dictionary (and we did). > Or, with no dictionary available, they could gain first hand knowledge by suffering through one of your posts. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ";-1;0 "From: GAnderson@Cmutual.com.au (Gavin Anderson) Subject: Help - Looking for a Medical Journal Article - Whiplash/Cervical Pain Lines: 37 Organization: Colonial Mutual Life Australia X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0 Lines: 24 Hi, I am not sure where to post this message, please contact me if I'm way off the mark. On 19.3.93 my wife went to her General Practitioner (Doctor). He mentioned an article from a medical journal that is of great interest to us. He had read it in the previous three months but has been unable to find it again. The article was about Whiplash Injury/Cervical Pain. It mentions the use of a MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imagery) machine as a diagnostic tool and the work of a neurosurgeon who relived cervical pain. This article is most likely in an Australian medical journal. I very much want to obtain the name of the article, journal and author because the case matches my wife. We would very much appreciate anyone's help in this matter via email preferably. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gavin Anderson email: GAnderson@cmutual.com.au Analyst/Programmer. phone: +61-3-607-6299 Colonial Mutual Life Aust. (ACN 004021809) fax : +61-3-283-1095 -----------Some people never consciously discover their antipodes---------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gavin Anderson email: GAnderson@cmutual.com.au Analyst/Programmer. phone: +61-3-607-6299 Colonial Mutual Life Aust. (ACN 004021809) fax : +61-3-283-1095 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";4;1 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Political Atheists? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >>If I kill this person [an innocent person convicted of murder], >>then a murder would be committed, but I would not be the murderer. At least, >>I wouldn't ""reasonably"" be considered a murderer, with ""reasonable"" being >>introduced as a fudge factor necessary to account for the inability to be >>totally objective due to a lack of absolutely true information. >If society collective decides to carry the burden of executing >it's citizens, then it also carries the blame for their innocent >blood. Each and every voter who casts a ballot in favor of >capital punishment is in part guilty of the murder of each and >every innocent victim of the system. Why are only those people in favor of the system to blame. If society accepts such a system, then each member of society is to blame when an innocent person gets executed. Those that are not in favor should work to convince others. And, most members of our society have accepted the blame--they've considered the risk to be acceptable. Similarly, every person who drives must accept the blame for fatal traffic accidents. This is something that is surely going to happen when so many people are driving. It is all a question of what risk is acceptable. It is much more likely that an innocent person will be killed driving than it is that one will be executed. keith ";-1;0 "From: rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) Subject: Incompetent law enforcement can kill X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 40 Ever since the siege at Waco started the FBI spokesman has been stressing how unstable and paranoid David Koresh was. He stressed how likely it was the the Branch Davidians would commit mass suicide. He was concerned with the safety of the children. What did the FBI do to defuse the situation, Did they try to reassure Koresh? DId the FBI offer medical assistance to the BD? Did the FBI offer them a supply of water when the BD pump stoped working? Did the permit Koresh to communicate with anyone outside the compound? What the FBI did was harass the Branch Davidians as much as possible. They kept powerful lights shining on the compound, shut off their electrical power, put their pump out of action, assaulted their ears with loud noise, cut off their communication with the outside and kept limiting their permitter. The stated goal was to put pressure on David Koresh. Was the FBI attempting to get Koresh to surrender or were they hoping to get Koresh so mad that he and some of his followers would attack the the tanks. It appears that the tactics employed by the FBI did drive Koresh over the edge. The blame for the deaths should be shared by both the federal experts whose tactics drove Koresh over the edge and the fools at the ATF who planed the raid. Stupidity and incompetence of the BATF and the FBI leadership have resulted in the needless death of 90 innocent people. If every thing had gone as planned 90 people would be alive today. Instead the ATF screwed up and caused the death of 90+. Incompetent law enforcement can kill you! -- Rod Anderson N0NZO | The only acceptable substitute Boulder, CO | for brains is silence. rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu | -Solomon Short- satellite N0NZO on ao-16 | ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550) From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU Organization: University of Maine System Lines: 17 I don't know about the dinky little Zephyr's, but the 1100 (now the ZR1100) looks alot like my '76 Z1/ KZ900! The one I drooled over at Tri-Sports in Topsham, ME was a looker! Yes, Mercury axed the Zephyr name. Guess a lot of aging Republicans wanted a Zephyr and confused the Mercury with the Kawasaki :). Oh well, they're better off with the Kawasaki anyways. Maybe it'll shake the stick out of their asses and make Libertarians out of them! As to the GPz <--> Zephyr, the only GPz I've seen had the ball-buster gas tank profile, not the smooth saddle - to - gas tank transition. _Motorcyclist_ claims the Zephyr / ZR is the modernized Z1 (KZ) from the seventies. Jeff Andle DoD #3005 1976 KZ900 REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU IntermittentNet access arranged through Bowdoin College. Please reply via e-mail, since a followup might expire before I see the Net again. ";-1;0 "From: rachford@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffery M Rachford) Subject: Ryno correction Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: na Lines: 13 I made a mistake on the posted article [been fighting food poisoning for last 24 hours...] The second paragraph should state the following... ""Doctors cleared Sandberg to swing a padded bat at a ball on a tee and to catch a ball in his gloved hand."" Sorry for the error, didn't know it until after posting. Jeffery ";14;1 "From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) Subject: Re: Chain Lube (was: Re: RM consensus on chain cleaning.) Summary: Application details Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Apr5.223054.27874 Organization: AT&T Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr3.044405.16947@elektro.cmhnet.org>, charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes: > In article <1993Mar24.011823.7887@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: > >Anyone try the spray on chain wax that was reviewed in one of the moto > >rags last month? > > > Yeah. I sprayed it all over my rear drive shaft housing, and it didn't > seem to make it any quieter at all Didn't you read the instructions first?? You're supposed to spray it in your ears so you won't be distracted by the chain-noise of the *other* bikes around you. That's why it's called ""Chain *Wax*"". Chuck Rogers car377@torreys.att.com car377@cbnewsj.att.com ";7;1 "From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) Subject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960's Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random. Distribution: usa Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr17.013559.17391@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM writes: >>I see you are a total ignorant asshole as well. >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It's the sign of a small mind to use filthy >language when he can't articulate his point. Oh, no, not in this case. I've noticed that you conveniently edited out your stupid comment that the PRC stands for Cambodia. When we're arguing the Vietnam war and about Cambodia, and you toss in a boner like that (along with your other boners), you are an ignorant asshole. Oh, and even the Vietnamese agree that they did far more damage to Cambodia than we ever did. -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh? These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...) ";-1;0 "From: weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Dave Weaver) Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell Lines: 29 In a previous article, lfoard@hopper.virginia.edu (Lawrence C. Foard) writes: >> >> did you know that Jesus talked more >> about hell than He did about heaven! > > Thank you for this info. What respect I had for the man now > has been diminished tenfold. I promise never again to > say how wise or loving this man was... I have a hard time understanding this attitude. If the gospels are the least bit accurate, then there can be little doubt that Jesus belived hell was a reality. As a teacher, what would be the wise and loving thing to do if people in your audience were headed there? To warn them! It would, however, be rather cruel and/or sadistic to believe that such a place exists and then remain quiet about it. The only scenario I can envision in which dimished respect would be justified is if Jesus knew there was no such place as hell, and spoke about it anyway, just to scare people. Unless you would accuse Jesus of this, I would encourage you to reconsider what a loving response is when you perceive someone to be in danger. --- Dave Weaver | ""He is no fool who gives what weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com | he cannot keep to gain what he | cannot lose."" - Jim Elliot (1949) ";17;1 "From: mikes@ase.co.UK (Mike Schofield-00000315) Subject: xterm with status line and color Organization: The Internet Lines: 6 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu I'm looking for a version of xterm which handles color and vt220 style status lines. Can anyone out there help? Thanks ";-1;0 "Subject: Joe Venuti Record Wanted From: rbrooks@eis.calstate.edu (Richard J. Brooks) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 7 If anyone has Joe Venuti's record ""Fiddle on Fire"" and would like to sell it please contact me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard J. Brooks (El Cerrito, CA) Internet: rbrooks@eis.calstate.edu CompuServe: 71121,3406 Internet: 71121.3406@compuserve.com ";8;1 "From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 19 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article <1993Apr16.151729.8610@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: >Josh Hopkins (jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) replied: >: Double wow. Can you land a shuttle with a 5cm hole in the wall? >Personnally, I don't know, but I'd like to try it sometime. Are you volunteering? :) > But a >hole in the pressure vessel would cause us to immediately de-orbit >to the next available landing site. Will NASA have ""available landing sites"" in the Russian Republic, now that they are Our Friends and Comrades? Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- ";2;1 "From: snail@lsl.co.uk Subject: MOTIF & X on Windows NT Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr7.044749.11770@topgun>, smikes@topgun (Steven Mikes) writes: > Another company, Congruent Corporation of New York City, has also ported Xlib > Xt and Motif 1.1 over to MS Windows NT, which provides full client development > for X applications in an NT environment. Could someone please send me the postal and email address of Congruent Corporation (and any competitors they may have). Thank you. -- snail@lsl.co.uk ""Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."" Quote by Freire. Poster by OXFAM. ";-1;0 "From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers? Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.184204.26184 Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 24 This morning a truck that had been within my sight (and I within his) for about 3 miles suddenly forgot that I existed and pulled over right on me -- my front wheel was about even with the back edge of his front passenger door as I was accelerating past him. It was trivial enough for me to tap the brakes and slide behind him as he slewed over (with no signal, of course) on top of me, with my little horn blaring (damn, I need Fiamms!), but the satisfaction of being aware of my surroundings and thus surviving was not enough, especially when I later pulled up alongside the bastard and he made no apologetic wave or anything. Is there some way that I can memorize the license plate of an offending vehicle and get the name and address of the owner? I'm not going to firebomb houses or anything, I'd just like to write a consciousness-raising letter or two. I think that it would be good for BDI cagers to know that We Know Where They Live. Maybe they'd use 4 or 5 brain cells while driving instead of the usual 3. -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson ";-1;0 "From: tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 22 rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: > Hi Netters, > > I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle > some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. > > Can you please offer some recommendations? It's really not that hard to do. There are books out there which explain everything, and the basic 3D functions, translation, rotation, shading, and hidden line removal are pretty easy. I wrote a program in a few weeks witht he help of a book, and would be happy to give you my source. Also, Quickdraw has a lot of 3D functions built in, and Think pascal can access them, and I would expect that THINK C could as well. If you can find out how to use the Quickdraw graphics library, it would be an excellent choice, since it has a lot of stuff, and is built into the Mac, so should be fast. Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat. I define myself--tsa@cellar.org ";-1;0 "From: wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom) Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net >In article <1993Apr16.155637.15398@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) writes: >>From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) >>Subject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP >>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:56:37 GMT >> >>As the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of >>late. It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every >>day. The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I There is a way in SYS.INI to turn off RAM parity checking (unfortunately, my good Windows references are at home, but any standard Win reference will tell you how to do it. If not, email back to me.) That weird memory may be producing phony parity errors. Danger is, if you turn checkling off, you run the slight risk of data corruption due to a missed real error. ";6;1 "From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. In-Reply-To: todd@phad.la.locus.com's message of Wed, 21 Apr 93 16:28:00 GMT Originator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: snow.fox.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University <1993Apr21.162800.168967@locus.com> Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr21.162800.168967@locus.com> todd@phad.la.locus.com (Todd Johnson) writes: As for advertising -- sure, why not? A NASA friend and I spent one drunken night figuring out just exactly how much gold mylar we'd need to put the golden arches of a certain American fast food organization on the face of the Moon. Fortunately, we sobered up in the morning. Hmmm. It actually isn't all that much, is it? Like about 2 million km^2 (if you think that sounds like a lot, it's only a few tens of m^2 per burger that said organization sold last year). You'd be best off with a reflective substance that could be sprayed thinly by an unmanned craft in lunar orbit (or, rather, a large set of such craft). If you can get a reasonable albedo it would be visible even at new moon (since the moon itself is quite dark), and _bright_ at full moon. You might have to abandon the colour, though. Buy a cheap launch system, design reusable moon -> lunar orbit unmanned spraying craft, build 50 said craft, establish a lunar base to extract TiO2 (say: for colour you'd be better off with a sulphur compound, I suppose) and some sort of propellant, and Bob's your uncle. I'll do it for, say, 20 billion dollars (plus changes of identity for me and all my loved ones). Delivery date 2010. Can we get the fast-food chain bidding against the fizzy-drink vendors? Who else might be interested? Would they buy it, given that it's a _lot_ more expensive, and not much more impressive, than putting a large set of several-km inflatable billboards in LEO (or in GEO, visible 24 hours from your key growth market). I'll do _that_ for only $5bn (and the changes of identity). Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu ";-1;0 "From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) Subject: Re: New planet/Kuiper object found? Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO Lines: 23 Distribution: sci <1r9de3INNjkv@gap.caltech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu In-reply-to: jafoust@cco.caltech.edu's message of 23 Apr 1993 18:44:19 GMT In article <1r9de3INNjkv@gap.caltech.edu> jafoust@cco.caltech.edu (Jeff Foust) writes: In a recent article jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: > If the new Kuiper belt object *is* called 'Karla', the next >one should be called 'Smiley'. Unless I'm imaging things, (always a possibility =) 1992 QB1, the Kuiper Belt object discovered last year, is known as Smiley. As it happens the _second_ one is Karla. The first one was Smiley. All subject to the vagaries of the IAU of course, but I think they might let this one slide... * Steinn Sigurdsson Lick Observatory * * steinly@lick.ucsc.edu ""standard disclaimer"" * * ""The worst thing you can say to a true revolutionary is that his * * revolution is unnecessary, that the problems can be corrected without * * radical change. Telling people that paradise can be attained without * * revolution is treason of the vilest kind."" -- H.S. 1993 * Just had to try out my new .sig# on this forum ;-) ";-1;0 "From: keith@orion.ic.cmc.ca (Keith de Solla) Subject: CDN gun laws Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation Lines: 37 [MODERATOR: Nice summary, Keith, thanks.] I talked to the federal Dept. of Justice (DOJ, Ottawa) to try and clarify a bunch of things regarding changes to Canadian gun laws. I am posting here for informational purposes; questions to email, followup to t.p.g. 1. It is still technically feasible (but almost impossible) to get a concealed carry permit in Canada. This is contrary to what I was told by a police officer. 2. It is still legal to use lethal force (such as a firearm) to protect life, also contrary to what the officer told me. Guns must be stored locked up and unloaded, however. 3. Regarding hi-capacity magazines, it is still not clear who will be exempt or how this will be managed. This is up to each province. The general idea is that exempt persons will receive a letter/form authorizing them to possess the high capacity magazines. Apparently, the authorization is to specify how many of these 'prohibited weapons' you will be allowed to possess. Dealers will be allowed to order high capacity mags for those allowed to possess them, but will not be allowed to stock them. 4. High capacity magazines converted to comply with the new limits will not be considered prohibited weapons. Amendments to the regulations specify some possible methods to alter the magazines. Some manufacturers (Beretta) will be marketing reduced capacity magazines. (God knows how much they'll charge for these) This covers most of what we discussed. I have typed this from memory, do not take it as gospel. I am not a lawyer and I refuse to play one on TV. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Keith P. de Solla, P.Eng | IPSC Ontario, OHA, NFA, SFC, OFAH | | keith@orion.ic.cmc.ca | Frontenac Rifle and Pistol Club | ------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Space Research Spin Off Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 37 shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes: >On 4 Apr 1993 20:31:10 -0400, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) said: >Pat> In article <1993Apr2.213917.1@aurora.alaska.edu> >Pat> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >>Question is can someone give me 10 examples of direct NASA/Space related >>research that helped humanity in general? It will be interesting to see.. >Pat> TANG :-) Mylar I think. I think they also pushed Hi Tech >Pat> Composites for airframes. Look at Fly by Wire. >Swept wings--if you fly in airliners you've reaped the benefits. Didn't one of the early jet fighters have these? I also think the germans did some work on these in WWII. >Winglets. Area ruling. Digital fly by wire. Ride smoothing. A lot of this was also done by the military... >Microwave landing systems. Supercritical wings. General aviation >air foils. Weren't the first microwave landing systems from WWII too? >-- >Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA >shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA > ""A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."" Unknown US fighter pilot Egad! I'm disagreeing with Mary Shafer! -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man ";-1;0 "From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians Nntp-Posting-Host: eddie.jpl.nasa.gov Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 12 In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > [With a tip of the hat to David Letterman for making the Top Ten format > so popular] > >Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia: Who? Where? Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other conservatives do as well. Julie DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else ";-1;0 "From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Crimestrike Alert for Texas Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Distribution: usa Keywords: crime strike Lines: 69 Fellow Texans and Members of Crime Strike in Texas Crime Strike in Texas has a loosely knit coalition with most Victims Rights Groups in Texas. We ask that you write a letter protesting the release of the following murderer. This letter should be written to : Raven Kazen - Victims Services Board of Pardons and Paroles P.O. Box 13401 - Capital Station Austin, Texas 78711 The letter should be written if at all possible on RED PAPER as that was agreed on at one of our first meetings . It represents the coalition and all of its parts as well as the heart ache of those left behind and the blood spilled by these criminals. The letter should have only one name on it so it can be filed in the folder of that criminal waiting for his next try at parole. List of Criminals: Today we have only one parole to protest , On October 4, 1990, Mark Steven Hughes rendered numerous blows to the head of James Allen Pompa . Ten month old James went into a coma and died two days later. On July 8, 1992, Mark Steven Hughes pled guilty to Injury to a Child and received a ten-year sentence. According to Texas law, Mark became eligible for parole on January 4, 1992 -- six months before he was even sentenced! Would you join us in strongly protesting the release from prison of Mark Steven Hughes, who beat a baby to death . Mark Steven Hughes - beat to death the baby boy of Russel Pompa -- Reference Mark Steven Hughes - TDC# 633546 Mark your envelope ""PROTEST LETTER"" on the front and back. A typical letter is indicated on the next page --- THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Irvin Wilson - Volunteer Crime Strike Texas Date: April 13, 1993 Raven Kazen - Victims Services Board of Pardons and Paroles P.O. Box 13401 - Capital Station Austin , Texas 78711 I protest the parole of Mark Steven Hughes TDC#633546, who, murdered James Son of Russel Pompa. He should be kept in prison for his full sentence and not be released at any time prior to his full sentence for any reason. Irvin Wilson Houston, Texas -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com ";-1;0 "From: kenh@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Ken Hillen) Subject: RF data transmission Article-I.D.: sail.13601 Distribution: usa Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 10 I need a off-the-shelf method of transmitting small amounts of data up to 300 feet. The data is low speed and can be encoded as needed. Low power on the transmitting end would be a plus. An FCC certified product would be prefered. If you have any pointers to products or companies I'd appreciate hearing from you. Thanks, Ken ";-1;0 "From: jeh@cmkrnl.com Subject: Electrical wiring FAQ (was: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Reply-To: wirefaq@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Keywords: 120 240 AC outlets wiring power shock gfci Expires: 15 May 93 21:35:16 PDT Distribution: world Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA Lines: 1547 Since electrical wiring questions do turn up from time to time on sci.electronics (and the answers aren't always apparent, even to those skilled in electronics), I am hijacking the following FAQ and posting a copy here. I've asked the writers to cross-post to sci.electronics in the future. --- jeh@cmkrnl.com X-NEWS: cmkrnl news.answers: 6685 Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house,rec.woodworking,news.answers,misc.answers,rec.answers Subject: Electrical Wiring FAQ Message-ID: From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) Date: 4 Apr 93 05:21:49 GMT Reply-To: wirefaq@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Wiring FAQ commentary reception) Followup-To: poster Expires: 2 May 93 05:21:31 GMT Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada Summary: A series of questions and answers about house wiring Supersedes: Lines: 1524 Archive-name: electrical-wiring Last-modified: Sun Feb 21 16:56:10 EST 1993 Frequently Asked Questions on Electrical Wiring Steven Bellovin (smb@ulysses.att.com) Chris Lewis (clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca) Comments to (automatic if you reply to this article): wirefaq@ferret.ocunix.on.ca This FAQ is formatted as a digest. Most news readers can skip from one question to the next by pressing ^G. Answers to many other topics related to houses can be obtained from the misc.consumers.house archive; send an empty piece of mail to house-archive@dg-rtp.dg.com for information. Changes to previous issue marked with ""|"" in left column. Watch particularly for ""NEW"" in the Questions list for new or substantively changed answers. Note that this is now a registered FAQ - cross-posted to news.answers and should appear in the FAQ list of lists. Subject: Questions answered in this FAQ Introduction/Disclaimers What is the NEC? Where can I get a copy? What is the CEC? Where can I get a copy? Can I do my own wiring? Extra pointers? What do I need in the way of tools? What is UL listing? What is CSA approval? Are there any cheaper, easier to read books on wiring? Inspections how and what? Why should I get my wiring inspected? My house doesn't meet some of these rules and regulations. A word on voltages: 110/115/117/120/125/220/240 What does an electrical service look like? What is a circuit? ""grounding"" versus ""grounded"" versus ""neutral"". What does a fuse or breaker do? What are the differences? Breakers? Can't I use fuses? What size wire should I use? Where do these numbers come from? What does ""14-2"" mean? What is a ""wirenut""/""marrette""/""marr connector"". How are they used? What is a GFI/GFCI? Where should GFCIs be used? Where shouldn't I use a GFCI? What is the difference between a GFCI outlet and a GFCI breaker? What's the purpose of the ground prong on an outlet, then? Why is one prong wider than the other? Polarization What kind of outlets do I need in a kitchen? Where must outlets and switches be in bathrooms? What is Romex/NM/NMD? What is BX? When should I use each? Should I use plastic or metal boxes? Junction box positioning? Can I install a replacement fixture? What does it mean when the lights brighten when a motor starts? What is 3 phase power? Should I use it? Can I get it in my house? Is it better to run motors at 110 or 220? What is this nonsense about 3HP on 110V 15A circuits? How do I convert two prong receptacles to three prong? Are you sure about GFCIs and ungrounded outlets? Should the test button work? How should I wire my shop? Underground wiring Aluminum wiring I'm buying a house! What should I do? What is this weird stuff? Old style wiring Where do I buy stuff? Subject: Introduction/Disclaimers Although we've done a fair bit of wiring, we are not electricians, and we cannot be responsible for what you do. If you're at all uncertain about what is correct or safe, *don't do it*. Contact someone qualified -- a licensed electrician, or your local electrical inspector. Electricity is no joke; mistakes can result in shocks, fires, or electrocution. Furthermore, our discussion is based on the U.S. National Electrical Code (NEC) and the Canadian Electrical code (CEC). To the best of our abilities, we have confirmed every detail with the electrical code, but we don't quote sections simply to keep this thing readable. If you think we're wrong, we invite you to correct us, but please - quote references! The NEC and the CEC do not, in and of themselves, have the force of law. Many municipalities adopt it en toto. Others, however, do not. Check your with your local building department (and Hydro Inspection Offices in Canada) to find out what applies in your area. Also, your local electrical utility may also have special requirements for electrical service installation. Bear in mind, too, that we say here applies primarily to ordinary single-family residences. Multi-family dwellings, mobile homes, commercial establishments, etc., are sometimes governed by different rules. Also note that, contrary to popular belief in the U.S. (and in some parts of Canada), Canada is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of the U.S. Consequently, the NEC does not apply in Canada. Lots of things are the same, including voltages, line frequencies, and the laws of physics. But there are a number of crucial differences in the regulations. Where we can, we've noted them, flagging the relevant passages with ``NEC'' or ``CEC''. Remember that the CEC and NEC are minimal standards. It is often smart to go beyond their minimal requirements. Subject: What is the NEC? Where can I get a copy? The NEC is a model electrical code devised and published by the National Fire Protection Association, an insurance industry group. It's revised every three years. The 1993 version has been released. You can buy a copy at a decent bookstore, or by calling them directly at 800-344-3555. The code exists in several versions. There's the full text, which is fairly incomprehensible. There's an abridged edition, which has only the sections likely to apply to most houses. And there's the NEC Handbook, which contains the ``authorized commentary'' on the code, as well as the full text. That's the recommended version. Unfortunately, there's no handbook for the abridged edition. And the full handbook is expensive -- US$65 plus shipping and handling. Subject: What is the CEC? Where can I get a copy? The Canadian Standards Association is an organization made up of various government agencies, power utilities, insurance companies, electrical manufacturers and other organizations. The CSA publishes CSA Standard C22.1 which is updated every two or three years. Each province adopts, with some amendments, this standard and publishes a province-specific code book. Since each province publishes its own slightly modified standard, it would be somewhat confusing to obtain the CSA standard itself. In this FAQ, ""CEC"" really means the appropriate provincial standard. In particular, this FAQ is derived from the Ontario Hydro Electrical Safety Code, 20th edition (1990). Which is in turn based on CSA C22.1-1990 (16th edition). While differences exist between the provinces, an attempt has been made to avoid specific-to-Ontario detail. The appropriate provincial code can be obtained from electrical inspection offices of your provincial power authority. In Ontario, it's Ontario Hydro. The Ontario Hydro book isn't overly fat. It's about C$25, and includes mailed updates. I hear that these standards are somewhat easier to read than the equivalent NEC publications. Don't bother asking in Quebec - DIY wiring is banned throughout the province. Subject: Can I do my own wiring? Extra pointers? In most places, homeowners are allowed to do their own wiring. In some, they're not. Check with your local electrical inspector. Most places won't permit you to do wiring on other's homes for money without a license. Nor are you permitted to do wiring in ""commercial"" buildings. Multiple dwellings (eg: duplexes) are usually considered ""semi-commercial"" or ""commercial"". However, many jurisdictions will permit you to work on semi-commercial wiring if you're supervised by a licensed electrician - if you can find one willing to supervise. If you do your own wiring, an important point: Do it NEAT and WELL! What you really want to aim for is a better job than an electrician will do. After all, it's your own home, and it's you or your family that might get killed if you make a mistake. An electrician has time pressures, has the skills and knows the tricks of the trade to do a fast, safe job. In this FAQ we've consciously given a few recommendations that are in excess of code, because we feel that it's reasonable, and will impress the inspector. The inspector will know that you're an amateur. You have to earn his trust. The best way of doing this is to spend your time doing as neat a job as possible. Don't cut corners. Exceed specifications. Otherwise, the inspector may get extremely picky and fault you on the slightest transgressions. Don't try to hide anything from the inspector. Use the proper tools. Ie: don't use a bread knife to strip wires, or twist wires with your fingers. The inspector won't like it, and the results won't be that safe. And it takes longer. And you're more likely to stick a hunk of 12ga wire through your hand that way. Don't handle house wire when it's very cold (eg: below -10C or 16F). Thermoplastic house wire, particularly older types become very brittle. Subject: What do I need in the way of tools? First, there's the obvious -- a hammer, a drill, a few screwdrivers, both straight and Phillips-head. If you're lucky enough to live in Canada (or find a source of CSA-approved devices) you need Robertson (""square recess"") screwdrivers (#1 and #2) instead of phillips. For drilling a few holes, a 3/4"" or 1"" spade bit and 1/4"" or 3/8"" electric drill will do. If you're doing a lot, or are working with elderly lumber, we recommend a 1/2"" drill (right-angle drills are wonderful. Can be rented) and 3/4"" or 1"" screw-point auger drill bits. These bits pull you through, so they're much faster and less fatiguing, even in 90 year old hardwood timbers. Screw-driver bits are useful for drills, expecially if you install your electrical boxes using screws (drywall screws work well). For stripping wire, use a real wire stripper, not a knife or ordinary wire cutters. Don't buy the $3 K-mart ""combo stripper, crimper and bottle opener"" types. You should expect to pay $15 to $20 for a good ""plier-type"" pair. It will have sized stripping holes, and won't nick or grab the wire - it should be easy to strip wire with it. One model has a small hole in the blade for forming exact wire loops for screw terminals. There are fancier types (autostrip/cut), but they generally aren't necessary, and pros usually don't use them. A pair of diagonal side cutter pliers are useful for clipping ends in constricted places. Don't use these for stripping wire. You will need linesman pliers for twisting wires for wire nuts. You should have a pair of needle-nose pliers for fiddling inside boxes and closing loops, but it's better to form wire loops with a ""loop former hole"" on your wire stripper - more accurate. If you're using non-metallic cable, get a cable stripper for removing the sheath. Or, do what some pros do, they nick the end of the sheath, grab the ground wire with a pair of pliers, and simply rip the sheath back using the ground wire as a ""zipper"", and cut the sheath off. You shouldn't try to strip the sheath with a knife point, because it's too easy to slash the insulation on the conductors. Apparently Stanley utility knives fitted with linoleum cutters (hooked blades) can be used to strip sheath, but there is still the possibility that you'll gouge the conductors. For any substantial amount of work with armored cable, it's well worth your while to invest in a rotary cable splitter (~US$ 18). Hack saws are tricky to use without cutting into the wire or the insulation. Three-prong outlet testers are a quick check for properly-wired outlets. About $6. Multimeters tell you more, but are a lot more expensive, and probably not worth it for most people. A simple voltage sensor, which can detect potential through an insulated wire not supplying any devices, is extremely helpful; they cost about US$ 10 at Radio Shack. You should have a voltage detector - to check that the wires are dead before doing work on them. Neon-bulb version are cheap ($2-3) and work well. If you get more serious, a ""audible alarm"" type is good for tracing circuits without a helper. (Though I've been known to lock the drill on, and hit breakers until the scream stops ;-) For running wires through existing walls, you need fish tape. Often, two tapes are needed, though sometimes, a bent hanger or a length of thin chain will suffice. Fish tapes can be rented. Electrical tape. Lots of it ;-) Seriously, a good and competent wiring job will need very little tape. The tape is useful for wrapping dicy insulation in repair work. Another use is to wrap around the body of outlets and switches to cover the termination screws - I don't do this, but drywall contractors prefer it (to prevent explosions when the drywall knife collides with a live outlet that has no cover plate). Subject: What is UL listing? The UL stands for ""Underwriters Laboratory"". It used to be an Insurance Industry organization, but now it is independent and non-profit. It tests electrical components and equipment for potential hazards. When something is UL-listed, that means that the UL has tested the device, and it meets their requirements for safety - ie: fire or shock hazard. It doesn't necessarily mean that the device actually does what it's supposed to, just that it probably won't kill you. The UL does not have power of law in the U.S. -- you are permitted to buy and install non-UL-listed devices. However, insurance policies sometimes have clauses in them that will limit their liability in case of a claim made in response to the failure of a non-UL-listed device. Furthermore, in many situations the NEC will require that a wiring component used for a specific purpose is UL-listed for that purpose. Indirectly, this means that certain parts of your wiring must be UL-listed before an inspector will approve it and/or occupancy permits issued. Subject: What is CSA approval? Every electrical device or component must be certified by the Canadian Standards Association before it can be sold in Canada. Implicit in this is that all wiring must be done with CSA-approved materials. They perform testing similar to the UL (a bit more stringent), except that CSA approval is required by law. Again, like the UL, if a fire was caused by non-CSA-approved equipment, your insurance company may not have to pay the claim. In Canada, there is a branch organization of the UL, called ULC (UL of Canada). ULC does not have power of law, and seems to be more a liason group between the CSA and insurance companies. Subject: Are there any cheaper, easier to read books on wiring? USA: The following three books were suggested by our readers Residential Wiring by Jeff Markell, Craftsman Books, Carlsbad CA for $18.25. ISBN 0-934041-19-9. Practical Electrical Wiring Residential, Farm and Industrial, Based on the National Electrical Code ANSI/NFPA 70 Herbert P. Richter and W. Creighton Schwan McGraw-Hill Book Co. Wiring Simplified H. P. Richter and W. C. Schwan Park Publishing Co. Try to make sure that the book is based on the latest NEC revision. Which is currently 1990. Canada: P.S. Knight authors and publishes a book called ""Electrical Code Simplified"". There appears to be a version published specific to each province, and is very tied into the appropriate provincial code. It focuses on residential wiring, and is indispensible for Canadian DIY'ers. It is better to get this book than the CEC unless you do a lot of wiring (or answer questions on the net ;-). It is updated each time the provincial codes are. This book is available at all DIY and hardware stores for less than C$10. Subject: Inspections how and what? Why should I get my wiring inspected? Most jurisdictions require that you obtain a permit and inspections of any wiring that is done. Amongst other more mundane bureaucratic reasons (like insurance companies not liking to have to pay claims), a permit and inspections provides some assurance that you, your family, your neighbors or subsequent owners of your home don't get killed or lose their homes one night due to a sloppy wiring job. Most jurisdictions have the power to order you to vacate your home, or order you to tear out any wiring done without a permit. California, for instance, is particularly nasty about this. If fire starts in your home, and un-inspected wiring is at fault, insurance companies will often refuse to pay the damage claims. In general, the process goes like this: - you apply to your local inspections office or building department for a permit. You should have a sketch or detailed drawing of what you plan on doing. This is a good time to ask questions on any things you're not sure of. If you're doing major work, they may impose special conditions on you, require loading calculations and ask other questions. At this point they will tell you which inspections you will need. - If you're installing a main panel, you will need to have the panel and service connections inspected before your power utility will provide a connection. This is sometimes done by the local power authority rather than the usual inspectors. - After installing the boxes and wiring, but before the insulation/walls go up, you will need a ""rough-in"" inspection. - After the walls are up, and the wiring is complete, you will need a ""final inspection"". Subject: My house doesn't meet some of these rules and regulations. Do I have to upgrade? In general, there is no requirement to upgrade older dwellings, though there are some exceptions (ie: smoke detectors in some cases). However, any new work must be done according to the latest electrical code. Also, if you do ``major'' work, you may be required to upgrade certain existing portions or all of your system. Check with your local electrical inspector. Subject: A word on voltages: 110/115/117/120/125/220/240 One thing where things might get a bit confusing is the different numbers people bandy about for the voltage of a circuit. One person might talk about 110V, another 117V or another 120V. These are all, in fact, exactly the same thing... In North America the utility companies are required to supply a split-phase 240 volt (+-5%) feed to your house. This works out as two 120V +- 5% legs. Additionally, since there are resistive voltage drops in the house wiring, it's not unreasonable to find 120V has dropped to 110V or 240V has dropped to 220V by the time the power reaches a wall outlet. Especially at the end of an extension cord or long circuit run. For a number of reasons, some historical, some simple personal orneryness, different people choose call them by slightly different numbers. This FAQ has chosen to be consistent with calling them ""110V"" and ""220V"", except when actually saying what the measured voltage will be. Confusing? A bit. Just ignore it. One thing that might make this a little more understandable is that the nameplates on equipment ofen show the lower (ie: 110V instead of 120V) value. What this implies is that the device is designed to operate properly when the voltage drops that low. 208V is *not* the same as 240V. 208V is the voltage between phases of a 3-phase ""Y"" circuit that is 120V from neutral to any hot. 480V is the voltage between phases of a 3-phase ""Y"" circuit that's 277V from hot to neutral. In keeping with 110V versus 120V strangeness, motors intended to run on 480V three phase are often labelled as 440V... Subject: What does an electrical service look like? There are logically four wires involved with supplying the main panel with power. Three of them will come from the utility pole, and a fourth (bare) wire comes from elsewhere. The bare wire is connected to one or more long metal bars pounded into the ground, or to a wire buried in the foundation, or sometimes to the water supply pipe (has to be metal, continuous to where the main water pipe entering the house. Watch out for galvanic action conductivity ""breaks"" (often between copper and iron pipe)). This is the ""grounding conductor"". It is there to make sure that the third prong on your outlets is connected to ground. This wire normally carries no current. One of the other wires will be white (or black with white or yellow stripes, or sometimes simply black). It is the neutral wire. It is connected to the ""centre tap"" (CEC; ""center tap"" in the NEC) of the distribution transformer supplying the power. It is connected to the grounding conductor in only one place (often inside the panel). The neutral and ground should not be connected anywhere else. Otherwise, weird and/or dangerous things may happen. Furthermore, there should only be one grounding system in a home. Some codes require more than one grounding electrode. These will be connected together, or connected to the neutral at a common point - still one grounding system. Adding additional grounding electrodes connected to other portions of the house wiring is unsafe and contrary to code. If you add a subpanel, the ground and neutral are usually brought as separate conductors from the main panel, and are not connected together in the subpanel (ie: still only one neutral-ground connection). However, in some situations (certain categories of separate buildings) you actually do have to provide a second grounding electrode - consult your inspector. The other two wires will usually be black, and are the ""hot"" wires. They are attached to the distribution transformer as well. The two black wires are 180 degrees out of phase with each other. This means if you connect something to both hot wires, the voltage will be 220 volts. If you connect something to the white and either of the two blacks you will get 110V. Some panels seem to only have three wires coming into them. This is either because the neutral and ground are connected together at a different point (eg: the meter or pole) and one wire is doing dual-duty as both neutral and ground, or in some rare occasions, the service has only one hot wire (110V only service). Subject: What is a circuit? Inside the panel, connections are made to the incoming wires. These connections are then used to supply power to selected portions of the home. There are three different combinations: 1) one hot, one neutral, and ground: 110V circuit. 2) two hots, no neutral, and ground: 220V circuit. 3) two hots, neutral, and ground: 220V circuit + neutral, and/or two 110V circuits with a common neutral. (1) is used for most circuits supplying receptacles and lighting within your house. (3) is usually used for supplying power to major appliances such as stoves, and dryers - they often have need for both 220V and 110V, or for bringing several circuits from the panel box to a distribution point. (2) is usually for special 220V motor circuits, electric heaters, or air conditioners. [Note: In the US, the NEC frequently permits a circuit similar to (2) be used for stoves and dryers - namely, that there are two hot wires, and a wire that does dual duty as neutral and ground, and is connected to the frame as well as providing the neutral for 110V purposes - three prong plugs instead of four (*only* for stoves/dryers connected to the main panel. When connected to most sub-panels, 4 prong plugs and receptacles are required). In our not-so-humble opinion this is crazy, but the NFPA claims that this practice was re-evaluated for the 1992 NEC, and found to be safe. Check your local codes, or inquire as to local practice -- there are restrictions on when this is permissible.] (1) is usually wired with three conductor wire: black for hot, white for neutral, and bare for grounding. (2) and (3) have one hot wire coloured red, the other black, a bare wire for grounding, and in (3) a white wire for neutral. You will sometimes see (2) wired with just a black, white and ground wire. Since the white is ""hot"" in this case, both the NEC and CEC requires that the white wire be ""permanently marked"" at the ends to indicate that it is a live wire. Usually done with paint, nail polish or sometimes electrical tape. Each circuit is attached to the main wires coming into the panel through a circuit breaker or fuse. There are, in a few locales, circuits that look like (1), (2) or (3) except that they have two bare ground wires. Some places require this for hot tubs and the like (one ground is ""frame ground"", the other attaches to the motor). This may or may not be an alternative to GFCI protection. Subject: ""grounding"" versus ""grounded"" versus ""neutral"". According to the terminology in the CEC and NEC, the ""grounding"" conductor is for the safety ground, i.e., the green or bare wire. The word ""neutral"" is reserved for the white when you have a circuit with more than one ""hot"" wire. Since the white wire is connected to neutral and the grounding conductor inside the panel, the proper term is ""grounded conductor"". However, the potential confusion between ""grounded conductor"" and ""grounding conductor"" can lead to potentially lethal mistakes - you should never use the bare wire as a ""grounded conductor"" or white wire as the ""grounding conductor"", even though they are connected together in the panel. [But not in subpanels - subpanels are fed neutral and ground separately from the main panel. Usually.] In the trade, and in common usage, the word ""neutral"" is used for ""grounded conductor"". This FAQ uses ""neutral"" simply to avoid potential confusion. We recommend that you use ""neutral"" too. Thus the white wire is always (except in some light switch applications) neutral. Not ground. Subject: What does a fuse or breaker do? What are the differences? Fuses and circuit breakers are designed to interrupt the power to a circuit when the current flow exceeds safe levels. For example, if your toaster shorts out, a fuse or breaker should ""trip"", protecting the wiring in the walls from melting. As such, fuses and breakers are primarily intended to protect the wiring -- UL or CSA approval supposedly indicates that the equipment itself won't cause a fire. Fuses contain a narrow strip of metal which is designed to melt (safely) when the current exceeds the rated value, thereby interrupting the power to the circuit. Fuses trip relatively fast. Which can sometimes be a problem with motors which have large startup current surges. For motor circuits, you can use a ""time-delay"" fuse (one brand is ""fusetron"") which will avoid tripping on momentary overloads. A fusetron looks like a spring-loaded fuse. A fuse can only trip once, then it must be replaced. Breakers are fairly complicated mechanical devices. They usually consist of one spring loaded contact which is latched into position against another contact. When the current flow through the device exceeds the rated value, a bimetallic strip heats up and bends. By bending it ""trips"" the latch, and the spring pulls the contacts apart. Circuit breakers behave similarly to fusetrons - that is, they tend to take longer to trip at moderate overloads than ordinary fuses. With high overloads, they trip quickly. Breakers can be reset a finite number of times - each time they trip, or are thrown when the circuit is in use, some arcing takes place, which damages the contacts. Thus, breakers should not be used in place of switches unless they are specially listed for the purpose. Neither fuses nor breakers ""limit"" the current per se. A dead short on a circuit can cause hundreds or sometimes even thousands of amperes to flow for a short period of time, which can often cause severe damage. Subject: Breakers? Can't I use fuses? Statistics show that fuse panels have a significantly higher risk of causing a fire than breaker panels. This is usually due to the fuse being loosely screwed in, or the contacts corroding and heating up over time, or the wrong size fuse being installed, or the proverbial ""replace the fuse with a penny"" trick. Since breakers are more permanently installed, and have better connection mechanisms, the risk of fire is considerably less. Fuses are prone to explode under extremely high overload. When a fuse explodes, the metallic vapor cloud becomes a conducting path. Result? from complete meltdown of the electrical panel, melted service wiring, through fires in the electrical distribution transformer and having your house burn down. Breakers don't do this. Many jurisdictions, particularly in Canada, no longer permit fuse panels in new installations. The NEC does permit new fuse panels in some rare circumstances (requiring the special inserts to ""key"" the fuseholder to specific size fuses) Some devices, notably certain large air conditioners, require fuse protection in addition to the breaker at the panel. The fuse is there to protect the motor windings from overload. Check the labeling on the unit. This is usually only on large permanently installed motors. The installation instructions will tell you if you need one. Subject: What size wire should I use? For a 20 amp circuit, use 12 gauge wire. For a 15 amp circuit, you can use 14 gauge wire (in most locales). For a long run, though, you should use the next larger size wire, to avoid voltage drops. 12 gauge is only slightly more expensive than 14 gauge, though it's stiffer and harder to work with. Here's a quick table for normal situations. Go up a size for more than 100 foot runs, when the cable is in conduit, or ganged with other wires in a place where they can't dissipate heat easily: Gauge Amps 14 15 12 20 10 30 8 40 6 65 We don't list bigger sizes because it starts getting very dependent on the application and precise wire type. Subject: Where do these numbers come from? There are two considerations, voltage drop and heat buildup. The smaller the wire is, the higher the resistance is. When the resistance is higher, the wire heats up more, and there is more voltage drop in the wiring. The former is why you need higher-temperature insulation and/or bigger wires for use in conduit; the latter is why you should use larger wire for long runs. Neither effect is very significant over very short distances. There are some very specific exceptions, where use of smaller wire is allowed. The obvious one is the line cord on most lamps. Don't try this unless you're certain that your use fits one of those exceptions; you can never go wrong by using larger wire. Subject: What does ""14-2"" mean? This is used to describe the size and quantity of conductors in a cable. The first number specifies the gauge. The second the number of current carrying conductors in the wire - but remember there's usually an extra ground wire. ""14-2"" means 14 gauge, two insulated current carrying wires, plus bare ground. -2 wire usually has a black, white and bare ground wire. Sometimes the white is red instead for 220V circuits without neutral. In the latter case, the sheath is usually red too. -3 wire usually has a black, red, white and bare ground wire. Usually carrying 220V with neutral. Subject: What is a ""wirenut""/""marrette""/""marr connector""? How are they used? A wire nut is a cone shaped threaded plastic thingummy that's used to connect wires together. ""Marrette"" or ""Marr connector"" are trade names. You'll usually use a lot of them in DIY wiring. In essence, you strip the end of the wires about an inch, twist them together, then twist the wirenut on. Though some wirenuts advertise that you don't need to twist the wire, do it anyways - it's more mechanically and electrically secure. There are many different sizes of wire nut. You should check that the wire nut you're using is the correct size for the quantity and sizes of wire you're connecting together. Don't just gimble the wires together with a pair of pliers or your fingers. Use a pair of blunt nose (""linesman"") pliers, and carefully twist the wires tightly and neatly. Sometimes it's a good idea to trim the resulting end to make sure it goes in the wirenut properly. Some people wrap the ""open"" end of the wirenut with electrical tape. This is probably not a good idea - the inspector may tear it off during an inspection. It's usually done because a bit of bare wire is exposed outside the wire nut - instead of taping it, the connection should be redone. Subject: What is a GFI/GFCI? A GFCI is a ``ground-fault circuit interrupter''. It measures the current current flowing through the hot wire and the neutral wire. If they differ by more than a few milliamps, the presumption is that current is leaking to ground via some other path. This may be because of a short circuit to the chassis of an appliance, or to the ground lead, or through a person. Any of these situations is hazardous, so the GFCI trips, breaking the circuit. GFCIs do not protect against all kinds of electric shocks. If, for example, you simultaneously touched the hot and neutral leads of a circuit, and no part of you was grounded, a GFCI wouldn't help. All of the current that passed from the hot lead into you would return via the neutral lead, keeping the GFCI happy. The two pairs of connections on a GFCI outlet are not symmetric. One is labeled LOAD; the other, LINE. The incoming power feed *must* be connected to the LINE side, or the outlet will not be protected. The LOAD side can be used to protect all devices downstream from it. Thus, a whole string of outlets can be covered by a single GFCI outlet. Subject: Where should GFCIs be used? The NEC mandates GFCIs for 110V, 15A or 20A single phase outlets, in bathrooms, kitchens within 6' of the sink, garages, unfinished basements or crawl spaces, outdoors, near a pool, or just about anywhere else where you're likely to encounter water or dampness. There are exceptions for inaccessible outlets, those dedicated to appliances ``occupying fixed space'', typically refrigerators and freezers, and for sump pumps and laundry appliances. The CEC does not mandate as many GFCIs. In particular, there is no requirement to protect kitchen outlets, or most garage or basement outlets. Basement outlets must be protected if you have a dirt floor, garage outlets if they're near the door to outside. Bathrooms and most exterior outlets must have GFCIs. Even if you are not required to have GFCI protection, you may want to consider installing it anyway. Unless you need a GFCI breaker (see below), the cost is low. In the U.S., GFCI outlets can cost as little as US$8. (Costs are a bit higher in Canada: C$12.) Evaluate your own risk factors. Does your finished basement ever get wet? Do you have small children? Do you use your garage outlets to power outdoor tools? Does water or melted snow ever puddle inside your garage? Subject: Where shouldn't I use a GFCI? GFCIs are generally not used on circuits that (a) don't pose a safety risk, and (b) are used to power equipment that must run unattended for long periods of time. Refrigerators, freezers, and sump pumps are good examples. The rationale is that GFCIs are sometimes prone to nuisance trips. Some people claim that the inductive delay in motor windings can cause a momentary current imbalance, tripping the GFCI. Note, though, that most GFCI trips are real; if you're getting a lot of trips for no apparent reason, you'd be well-advised to check your wiring before deciding that the GFCI is broken or useless. Subject: What is the difference between a GFCI outlet and a GFCI breaker? For most situations, you can use either a GFCI outlet as the first device on the circuit, or you can install a breaker with a built-in GFCI. The former is generally preferred, since GFCI breakers are quite expensive. For example, an ordinary GE breaker costs ~US$5; the GFCI model costs ~US$35. There is one major exception: if you need to protect a ``multi-wire branch circuit'' (two or more circuits sharing a common neutral wire), such as a Canadian-style kitchen circuit, you'll need a multi-pole GFCI breaker. Unfortunately, these are expensive; the cost can range into the hundreds of dollars, depending on what brand of panel box you have. But if you must protect such a circuit (say, for a pool heater), you have no choice. One more caveat -- GFCI outlets are bulky. You may want to use an oversize box when installing them. On second thought, use large (actually deep) boxes everywhere. You'll thank yourself for it. Incidentally, if you're installing a GFCI to ensure that one specific outlet is protected (such as a bathroom), you don't really have to go to all of the trouble to find the first outlet in the circuit, you could simply find the first outlet in the bathroom, and not GFCI anything upstream of it. But protecting the whole circuit is preferred. When you install a GFCI, it's a good idea to use the little ""ground fault protected"" stickers that come with it and mark the outlets downstream of the GFCI. You can figure out which outlets are ""downstream"", simply by tripping the GFCI with the test button and see which outlets are dead. Subject: What's the purpose of the ground prong on an outlet, then? Apart from their use in electronics, which we won't comment on, and for certain fluorescent lights (they won't turn on without a good ground connection), they're intended to guard against insulation failures within the device. Generally, the case of the appliance is connected to the ground lead. If there's an insulation failure that shorts the hot lead to the case, the ground lead conducts the electricity away safely (and possibly trips the circuit breaker in the process). If the case is not grounded and such a short occurs, the case is live -- and if you touch it while you're grounded, you'll get zapped. Of course, if the circuit is GFCI-protected, it will be a very tiny zap -- which is why you can use GFCIs to replace ungrounded outlets (both NEC and CEC). There are some appliances that should *never* be grounded. In particular, that applies to toasters and anything else with exposed conductors. Consider: if you touch the heating electrode in a toaster, and you're not grounded, nothing will happen. If you're slightly grounded, you'll get a small shock; the resistance will be too high. But if the case were grounded, and you were holding it, you'd be the perfect path to ground... Subject: Why is one prong wider than the other? Polarization Nowadays, many two-prong devices have one prong wider than the other. This is so that the device could rely (not guaranteed!) on one specific wire being neutral, and the other hot. This is particularly advantageous in light fixtures, where the the shell should neutral (safety), or other devices which want to have an approximate ground reference (ie: some radios). Most 2-prong extension cords have wide prongs too. This requires that you wire your outlets and plugs the right way around. You want the wide prong to be neutral, and the narrow one hot. Most outlets have a darker metal for the hot screw, and lighter coloured screw for the neutral. If not, you can usually figure out which is which by which prong the terminating screw connects to. Subject: What kind of outlets do I need in a kitchen? The NEC requires at least two 20 amp ``small appliance circuits'' for kitchens. The CEC requires split-duplex receptacles. Outlets must be installed such that no point is more than 24"" (NEC) (900 mm CEC) from an outlet. Every counter wider than 12"" (NEC) or 300 mm (CEC) must have at least one outlet. The circuit these outlets are on may not feed any outlets except in the kitchen, pantry, or dining room. Furthermore, these circuits are in addition to any required for refrigerators, stoves, microwaves, lighting, etc. Non-dedicated outlets within 6' of a sink *must* be protected by a GFCI (NEC only). Split duplex receptacles are fed with a 220V circuit. The tab is broken on the hot side of the outlet, and one hot goes to the upper outlet, and the other hot goes to the lower outlet. The neutral connects to both outlets through one screw. When ""carrying through"" to another outlet, the neutral must be pigtailed, such that removing the outlet, or having the neutral connection fall off doesn't cause the neutral to disconnect from downstream outlets. Subject: Where must outlets and switches be in bathrooms? There must be at least one outlet in each bathroom, adjacent to the sink, in addition to any outlet that may be incorporated in the light fixture. All such outlets *must* be GFCI-protected. Subject: What is Romex/NM/NMD? What is BX? When should I use each? Romex is a brand name for a type of plastic insulated wire. Sometimes called non-metallic sheath. The formal name is NM. This is suitable for use in dry, protected areas (ie: inside stud walls, on the sides of joists etc.), that are not subject to mechanical damage or excessive heat. Most newer homes are wired almost exclusively with NM wire. There are several different categories of NM cable. BX cable -- technically known as armored cable or ""AC"" has a flexible aluminum or steel sheath over the conductors and is fairly resistant to damage. TECK cable is AC with an additional external thermoplastic sheath. Protection for cable in concealed locations: where NM or AC cable is run through studs, joists or similar wooden members, the outer surface of the cable must be kept at least 32mm/1.25"" (CEC & NEC) from the edges of the wooden members, or the cable should be protected from mechanical injury. This latter protection can take the form of metal plates (such as spare outlet box ends) or conduit. [Note: inspector-permitted practise in Canada suggests that armored cable, or flexible conduit can be used as the mechanical protection, but this is technically illegal.] Additional protection recommendations (these are rules in the Canadian codes - they are reasonable answers to the vague references to ""exposed to mechanical damage"" in both the NEC and CEC): - NM cable should be protected against mechanical damage where it passes through floors or on the surface of walls in exposed locations under 5 feet from the floor. Ie: use AC instead, flexible conduit, wooden guards etc. - Where cable is suspended, as in, connections to furnaces or water heaters, the wire should be protected. Canadian practise is usually to install a junction or outlet box on the wall, and use a short length of AC cable or NM cable in flexible conduit to ""jump"" to the appliance. Stapling NM to a piece of lumber is also sometimes used. - Where NM cable is run in close proximity to heating ducts or pipe, heat transfer should be minimized by means of a 25mm/1"" air space, or suitable insulation material (a wad of fiberglass). - NM cable shall be supported within 300mm/1' of every box or fitting, and at intervals of no more than 1.5m/5'. Holes in joists or studs are considered ""supports"". Some slack in the cable should be provided adjacent to each box. [while fishing cable is technically in violation, it is permitted where ""proper"" support is impractical] - 2 conductor NM cable should never be stapled on edge. [Knight also insists on only one cable per staple, referring to the ""workmanship"" clause, but this seems more honoured in the breach...] - cable should never be buried in plaster, cement or similar finish. - cable should be protected where it runs behind baseboards. - Cable may not be run on the upper edge of ceiling joists or the lower edges of rafters where the headroom is more than 1m (39""). Whenever BX cable is terminated at a box with a clamp, small plastic bushings must be inserted in the end of the cable to prevent the clamps forcing the sharp ends of the armor through the insulation. BX is sometimes a good idea in a work shop unless covered by solid wall coverings. In places where damage is more likely (like on the back wall of a garage ;-), you may be required to use conduit, a UL- (or CSA-) approved metal pipe. You use various types of fittings to join the pipe or provide entrance/exit for the wire. Service entrances frequently use a plastic conduit. In damp places (eg: buried wiring to outdoor lighting) you will need special wire (eg: CEC NMW90, NEC UF). NMW90 looks like very heavy-duty NMD90. You will usually need short lengths of conduit where the wire enters/exits the ground. [See underground wiring section.] Thermoplastic sheath wire (such as NM, NMW etc.) should not be exposed to direct sunlight unless explicitly approved for that purpose. Many electrical codes do not permit the routing of wire through furnace ducts, including cold air return plenums constructed by metal sheeting enclosing joist spaces. The reason for this is that if there's a fire, the ducting will spread toxic gasses from burning insulation very rapidly through the building. Teflon insulated wire is permitted in plenums in many areas. Canada appears to use similar wire designations to the US, except that Canadian wire designations usually include the temperature rating in Celsius. Eg: ""AC90"" versus ""AC"". In the US, NM-B is 90 degrees celcius. NOTE: local codes vary. This is one of the items that changes most often. Eg: Chicago codes require conduit *everywhere*. There are very different requirements for mobile homes. Check your local codes, *especially* if you're doing anything that's the slightest out of the ordinary. Wire selection table (incomplete - the real tables are enormous, uncommon wire types or applications omitted) Condition Type CEC NEC Exposed/Concealed dry plastic NMD90 NM armor AC90 AC TECK90 Exposed/Concealed damp plastic NMD90 NMC armor ACWU90 TECK90 Exposed/Concealed wet plastic NMWU90 armor ACWU90 TECK90 Exposed to weather plastic NMWU TW etc. armor TECK90 Direct earth burial/ plastic NMWU* UF Service entrance RWU TWU armor RA90 TECK90 ACWU90 [* NMWU not for service entrance] Subject: Should I use plastic or metal boxes? The NEC permits use of plastic boxes with non-metallic cable only. The reasoning is simple -- with armored cable, the box itself provides ground conductor continuity. U.S. plastic boxes don't use metal cable clamps. The CEC is slightly different. The CEC never permits cable armor as a grounding conductor. However, you must still provide ground continuity for metallic sheath. The CEC also requires grounding of any metal cable clamps on plastic boxes. The advantage of plastic boxes is comparatively minor even for non-metallic sheathed cable -- you can avoid making one ground connection and they sometimes cost a little less. On the other hand, plastic boxes are more vulnerable to impacts. For exposed or shop wiring, metal boxes are probably better. Subject: Junction box positioning? A junction box is a box used only for connecting wires together. Junction boxes must be located in such a way that they're accessible later. Ie: not buried under plaster. Excessive use of junction boxes is often a sign of sloppy installation, and inspectors may get nasty. Subject: Can I install a replacement light fixture? In general, one can replace fixtures freely, subject to a few caveats. First, of course, one should check the amperage rating of the circuit. If your heart is set on installing half a dozen 500 watt floodlights, you may need to run a new wire back to the panel box. But there are some more subtle constraints as well. For example, older house wiring doesn't have high-temperature insulation. The excess heat generated by a ceiling-mounted lamp can and will cause the insulation to deteriorate and crack, with obvious bad results. Some newer fixtures are specifically marked for high temperature wire only. (You may find, in fact, that your ceiling wiring already has this problem, in which case replacing any devices is a real adventure.) Other concerns include providing a suitable ground for some fluorescent fixtures, and making sure that the ceiling box and its mounting are strong enough to support the weight of a heavy chandelier or ceiling fan. You may need to install a new box specifically listed for this purpose. A 2x4 across the ceiling joists makes a good support. Metal brackets are also available that can be fished into ceilings thru the junction box hole and mounted between the joists. There are special rules for recessed light fixtures such as ""pot"" lamps or heat lamps. When these are installed in insulated ceilings, they can present a very substantial fire hazard. The CEC provides for the installation of pot lamps in insulated ceilings, provided that the fixture is boxed in a ""coffin"" (usually 8'x16""x12"" - made by making a pair of joists 12"" high, and covering with plywood) that doesn't have any insulation. (Yes, that's 8 *feet* long) NEC rules are somewhat less stringent. They require at least 3"" clearance between the fixture and any sort of thermal insulation. The rules also say that one should not obstruct free air movement, which means that a CEC-style ``coffin'' might be worthwhile. Presumably, that's up to the local inspector. [The CEC doesn't actually mandate the coffin per-se, this seems to be an inspector requirement to make absolutely certain that the fixture can't get accidentally buried in insulation. Ie: if you have insulation blown in later.] There are now fixtures that contain integral thermal cutouts and fairly large cases that can be buried directly in insulation. They are usually limited to 75 watt bulbs, and are unfortunately, somewhat more expensive than the older types. Before you use them, you should ensure that they have explicit UL or CSA approval for such uses. Follow the installation instructions carefully; the prescribed location for the sensor can vary. There does not yet appear to be a heat lamp fixture that is approved for use in insulation. The ""coffin"" appears the only legal approach. Subject: What does it mean when the lights brighten when a motor starts? This usually means that the neutral wire in the panel is loose. Depending on the load balance, one hot wire may end up being more than 110V, and the other less than 110V, with respect to ground. This is a very hazardous situation - it can destroy your electronic equipment, possibly start fires, and in some situations electrocute you (ie: some US jurisdictions require the stove frame connected to neutral). If this happens, contact your electrical authority immediately and have them come and check out the problem. Note: a brief (< 1 second) brightening is sometimes normal with lighting and motors on the same 220V with neutral circuit. A loose main panel neutral will usually show increased brightness far longer than one second. In case of doubt, get help. Subject: What is 3 phase power? Should I use it? Can I get it in my house? Three phase power has three ""hot"" wires, 120 degrees out of phase with each other. These are usually used for large motors because it is more ""efficient"", provides a bit more starting torque, and because the motors are simpler and hence cheaper. You're most likely to encounter a 3 phase circuit that shows 110 volts between any hot and ground, and 208 volts between any two hots. The latter shows the difference between a normal 220V/110V common neutral circuit, which is 240 volts between the two hots. There are 3 phase circuits with different voltages. Bringing in a 3 phase feed to your house is usually ridiculously expensive, or impossible. If the equipment you want to run has a standard motor mount, it is *MUCH* cheaper to buy a new 110V or 220V motor for it. In some cases it is possible to run 3 phase equipment on ordinary power if you have a ""capacitor start"" unit, or use a larger motor as a (auto-)generator. These are tricky, but are a good solution if the motor is non-standard size, or too expensive or too big to replace. The Taunton Press book ``The Small Shop'' has an article on how to do this if you must. Note that you lose any possible electrical efficiency by using such a converter. The laws of thermodynamics guarantee that. Subject: Is it better to run motors at 110 or 220? Theoretically, it doesn't make any difference. However, there is a difference is the amount of power lost in the supply wiring. All things being equal, a 220V motor will lose 4 times less power in the house wiring than a 110V motor. This also means that the startup surge loss will be less, and the motor will get to speed quicker. And in some circumstances, the smaller power loss will lead to longer motor life. This is usually irrelevant unless the supply wires are more than 50 feet long. Subject: What is this nonsense about 3HP on 110V 15A circuits? It is a universal physical law that 1 HP is equal to 746 watts. Given heating loss, power factor and other inefficiencies, it is usually best to consider 1 HP is going to need 1000-1200 watts. A 110V 15A circuit can only deliver 1850 watts to a motor, so it cannot possibly be more than approximately 2 HP. Given rational efficiency factors, 1.5HP is more like it. Some equipment manufacturers (Sears in particular, most router manufacturers in general ;-) advertise a HP rating that is far in excess of what is possible. They are giving you a ""stall horsepower"" or similar. That means the power is measured when the motor is just about to stop turning because of the load. What they don't mention is that if you kept it in that condition for more than a few seconds hopefully your breaker will trip, otherwise the motor will melt -- it's drawing far more current than it can continuously. When comparing motors, compare the continuous horsepower. This should be on the motor nameplate. If you can't find that figure, check the amperage rating, which is always present. Subject: How do I convert two prong receptacles to three prong? Older homes frequently have two-prong receptacles instead of the more modern three. These receptacles have no safety ground, and the cabling usually has no ground wire. Neither the NEC or CEC permits installing new 2 prong receptacles anymore. There are several different approaches to solving this: 1) If the wiring is done through conduit or BX, and the conduit is continuous back to the panel, you can connect the third prong of a new receptacle to the receptacle box. NEC mainly - CEC frowns on this practise. 2) If there is a copper cold water pipe going nearby, and it's continuous to the main house ground point, you can run a conductor to it from the third prong. 3) Run a ground conductor back to the main panel. 4) Easiest: install a GFCI receptacle. The ground lug should not be connected to anything, but the GFCI protection itself will serve instead. The GFCI will also protect downstream (possibly also two prong outlets). If you do this to protect downstream outlets, the grounds must not be connected together. Since it wouldn't be connected to a real ground, a wiring fault could energize the cases of 3 prong devices connected to other outlets. Be sure, though, that there aren't indirect ground plug connections, such as via the sheath on BX cable. The CEC permits you to replace a two prong receptacle with a three prong if you fill the U ground with a non-conducting goop. Like caulking compound. This is not permitted in the NEC. Subject: Are you sure about GFCIs and ungrounded outlets? Should the test button work? We're sure about what the NEC and CEC say. Remember, though, that your local codes may vary. As for the TEST button -- there's a resistor connecting the LOAD side of the hot wire to the LINE side of the neutral wire when you press the TEST button. Current through this resistor shows up as an imbalance, and trips the GFCI. This is a simple, passive, and reliable test, and doesn't require a real ground to work. If your GFCI does not trip when you press the TEST button, it is very probably defective or miswired. Again: if the test button doesn't work, something's broken, and potentially dangerous. The problem should be corrected immediately. The instructions that come with some GFCIs specify that the ground wire must be connected. We do not know why they say this. The causes may be as mundane as an old instruction sheet, or with the formalities of UL or CSA listing -- perhaps the device was never tested without the ground wire being connected. On the other hand, UL or CSA approval should only have been granted if the device behaves properly in *all* listed applications, including ungrounded outlet replacement. (One of us called Leviton; their GFCIs are labeled for installation on grounded circuits only. The technician was surprised to see that; he agreed that the NEC does not require it, and promised to investigate.) Subject: How should I wire my shop? As with any other kind of wiring, you need enough power for all devices that will be on simultaneously. The code specifies that you should stay under 80% of the nominal capacity of the circuit. For typical home shop use, this means one circuit for the major power tools, and possibly one for a dust collector or shop vac. Use at least 12 gauge wire -- many power tools have big motors, with a big start-up surge. If you can, use 20 amp breakers (NEC), though CEC requires standard 20A receptacles which means you'd have to ""replug"" all your equipment. Lights should either be on a circuit of their own -- and not shared with circuits in the rest of the house -- or be on at least two separate circuits. The idea is that you want to avoid a situation where a blade is still spinning at several thousand RPM, while you're groping in the dark for the OFF switch. Do install lots of outlets. It's easier to install them in the beginning, when you don't have to cut into an existing cable. It's useful if at least two circuits are accessible at each point, so you can run a shop vac or a compressor at the same time as the tool you really want. But use metal boxes and plates, and maybe even metal-sheathed cable; you may have objects flying around at high speeds if something goes a bit wrong. Note that some jurisdictions have a ""no horizontal wiring"" rule in workshops or other unfinished areas that are used for working. What this means is that all wiring must be run along structural members. Ie: stapled to studs. Other possible shop circuits include heater circuits, 220V circuits for some large tools, and air compressor circuits. Don't overload circuits, and don't use extension cords if you can help it, unless they're rated for high currents. (A coiled extension cord is not as safe as a straight length of wire of the same gauge. Also, the insulation won't withstand as much heat, and heat dissipation is the critical issue.) If your shop is located at some remove from your main panel, you should probably install a subpanel, and derive your shop wiring from it. If you have young children, you may want to equip this panel with a cut-off switch, and possibly a lock. If you want to install individual switches to ``safe'' particular circuits, make sure you get ones rated high enough. For example, ordinary light switches are not safely able to handle the start-up surge generated by a table saw. Buy ``horsepower-rated'' switches instead. Finally, note that most home shops are in garages or unfinished basements; hence the NEC requirements for GFCIs apply. And even if you ``know'' that you'd never use one of your shop outlets to run a lawn mower, the next owner of your house might have a different idea. Note: Fine Woodworking magazine often carries articles on shop wiring. April 1992 is one place to start. Subject: Underground Wiring You will need to prepare a trench to specifications, use special wire, protect the wire with conduit or special plastic tubing and possibly lumber (don't use creosoted lumber, it rots thermoplastic insulation and acts as a catalyst in the corrosion of lead). The transition from in-house to underground wire is generally via conduit. All outdoor boxes must be specifically listed for the purpose, and contain the appropriate gaskets, fittings, etc. If the location of the box is subject to immersion in water, a more serious style of water-proof box is needed. And of course, don't forget the GFCIs. The required depths and other details vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, so we suggest you consult your inspector about your specific situation. A hint: buy a roll of bright yellow tape that says ""buried power line"" and bury it a few inches above where the wire has been placed. Subject: Aluminum wiring During the 1970's, aluminum (instead of copper) wiring became quite popular and was extensively used. Since that time, aluminum wiring has been implicated in a number of house fires, and most jurisdictions no longer permit it in new installations. We recommend, even if you're allowed to, that do not use it for new wiring. But don't panic if your house has aluminum wiring. Aluminum wiring, when properly installed, can be just as safe as copper. Aluminum wiring is, however, very unforgiving of improper installation. We will cover a bit of the theory behind potential problems, and what you can do to make your wiring safe. The main problem with aluminum wiring is a phenomenon known as ""cold creep"". When aluminum wiring warms up, it expands. When it cools down, it contracts. Unlike copper, when aluminum goes through a number of warm/cool cycles it loses a bit of tightness each time. To make the problem worse, aluminum oxidises, or corrodes when in contact with certain types of metal, so the resistance of the connection goes up. Which causes it to heat up and corrode/ oxidize still more. Eventually the wire may start getting very hot, melt the insulation or fixture it's attached to, and possibly even cause a fire. Since people usually encounter aluminum wiring when they move into a house built during the 70's, we will cover basic points of safe aluminum wiring. We suggest that, if you're considering purchasing a home with aluminum wiring, or have discovered it later, that you hire a licensed electrician or inspector to check over the wiring for the following things: 1) Fixtures (eg: outlets and switches) directly attached to aluminum wiring should be rated for it. The device will be stamped with ""Al/Cu"" or ""CO/ALR"". The latter supersedes the former, but both are safe. These fixtures are somewhat more expensive than the ordinary ones. 2) Wires should be properly connected (at least 3/4 way around the screw in a clockwise direction). Connections should be tight. While repeated tightening of the screws can make the problem worse, during the inspection it would pay off to snug up each connection. Note that aluminum wiring is still often used for the main service entrance cable. It should be inspected. 3) ""push-in"" terminals are an extreme hazard with aluminum wire. Any connections using push-in terminals should be redone with the proper screw connections immediately. 4) There should be no signs of overheating: darkened connections, melted insulation, or ""baked"" fixtures. Any such damage should be repaired. 5) Connections between aluminum and copper wire need to be handled specially. Current Canadian codes require that the wire nut used must be specially marked for connecting aluminum to copper. The NEC requires that the wire be connected together using special crimp devices, with an anti-oxidant grease. The tools and materials for the latter are quite expensive - not practical to do it yourself unless you can rent the tool. 6) Any non-rated receptacle can be connected to aluminum wiring by means of a short copper ""pigtail"". See (5) above. 7) Shows reasonable workmanship: neat wiring, properly stripped (not nicked) wire etc. If, when considering purchasing a home, an inspection of the wiring shows no problems or only one or two, we believe that you can consider the wiring safe. If there are signs of problems in many places, we suggest you look elsewhere. If the wrong receptacles are used, you can replace them with the proper type, or use pigtails - having this professionally done can range from $3 to $10 per receptacle/switch. You can do this yourself too. Subject: I'm buying a house! What should I do? Congratulations. But... It's generally a good idea to hire an inspector to look through the house for hidden gotchas. Not just for wiring, but plumbing and structural as well. If an inspection of the wiring shows no problems or only one or two minor ones, we believe that you can consider the wiring safe (after any minor problems are fixed). If there are signs of problems in many places, we suggest you look elsewhere. Here's some hints on what to look for: Obvious non-code wiring can include: - Zip cord wiring, either concealed or nailed to walls - Hot wiring on the identified (neutral) conductor without proper marking. - Ungrounded grounding outlets (except when downstream of a GFCI) - Splices hanging in mid-air (other than proper knob-and-tube) - Switched neutrals - Unsecured Romex swinging about like grapevines Certain wiring practises that are actually to code (or were at one time) sometimes reveal DIY wiring that may have hidden violations: - Switches that seem to control nothing (abandoned, perhaps not properly terminated wiring) - A wall switch that shuts off a group of lights that are separately controlled by other wall switches. (except when it's *really* convenient ;-) - Switches and outlets in bizarre locations - Great numbers of junction boxes without outlets or lamps - Junction boxes with great numbers of wires going into them - Wiring that passes through a closet instead of a wall or ceiling - Backwrapped grounding wires Subject: What is this weird stuff? Old style wiring In the years since Edison ""invented"" electricity, several different wiring ""styles"" have come and gone. When you buy an older home you may encounter some of this stuff. This section describes the old methods, and some of their idiosyncrasies. The oldest wiring system you're likely to encounter is called ""knob and tube"" (K&T). It is made up of individual conductors with a cloth insulation. The wires are run along side structural members (eg: joists or studs) using ceramic stand-offs (knobs). Wire is run through structural members using ceramic tubes. Connections were made by twisting the wire together, soldering, and wrapping with tape. Since the hot and neutral were run separately, the wiring tends to be rather confusing. A neutral often runs down the centre of each room, with ""taps"" off to each fixture. The hot wire tended to run from one fixture to the next. In some cases K&T isn't colour-coded, so the neutral is often the same colour as the hot wires. You'll see K&T in homes built as late as the 40's. Comments on K&T: - the people installing K&T were pretty paranoid about electricity, so the workmanship tends to be pretty good. - The wire, insulation and insulators tend to stand up very well. Most K&T I've seen, for example, is in quite good condition. - No grounding. Grounding is usually difficult to install. - boxes are small. Receptacle replacement (particularly with GFCI) can be difficult. No bushing on boxes either, so wiring changes need special attention to box entry. - Sometimes the neutral isn't balanced very well between separately hot circuits, so it is sometimes possible to overload the neutral without exceeding the fusing on any circuit. - Building code does not permit insulation in walls that contain K&T. - Connection to existing K&T from new circuits can be tricky. Consult your inspector. - Modern wiring practise requires considerably more outlets to be installed than K&T systems did. Since K&T tends to be in pretty decent condition it generally isn't necessary to replace it simply because it's K&T. What you should watch out for is renovations that have interfered with it and be cautious about circuit loading. In many cases it's perfectly reasonable to leave existing K&T alone, and add new fixtures on new circuits using modern techniques. After K&T, they invented multi-conductor cable. The first type you will see is roughly a cloth and varnish insulation. It looks much like the romex cable of the last decade or two. This stuff was used in the 40's and 50's. Again, no grounding conductor. It was installed much like modern wiring. Its major drawback is that this type of insulation embrittles. We've seen whole systems where the insulation would fracture and fall off at a touch. BX cable of the same vintage has similar problems. This stuff is very fragile, and becomes rather hazardous if the wires become bare. This wiring should be left untouched as much as possible - whenever an opportunity arises, replace it. A simple receptacle or switch replacement can turn into a several hour long frustrating fight with electrical tape or heat-shrink tubing. After this wiring technique, the more modern romex was invented. It's almost a asphalt impregnated cloth. Often a bit sticky. This stuff stands up reasonably well and doesn't present a hazard and is reasonably easy to work with. It does not need to be replaced - it should be considered as safe as the ""modern"" stuff - thermoplastic insulation wire. Just don't abuse it too much. Subject: Where do I buy stuff? Try to find a proper electrical supply outlet near you. Their prices will often be considerably better than chain hardware stores or DIY centres, have better quality materials, have wider variety including the ""odd"" stuff, and have people behind the counter that know what you're talking about. Cultivate friendly knowledgeable sales people. They'll give you much valuable information. -- Chris Lewis; clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca; Phone: Canada 613 832-0541 Psroff 3.0 info: psroff-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Ferret list: ferret-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca ";-1;0 "From: kxgst1@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) Subject: Re: Contraceptive pill Article-I.D.: blue.7984 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] jec@watson.ibm.com wrote: : A very simple question : it seems to me that the contraceptive : pill just prevents the ovule to nest in the vagina and forces it to : fall every month. But it does not prevent the fertilzation of the : ovule. Is it true ? If yes, is there a risk of extra-uterine : pregnancy, that is the development of the ovule inside the Fallopian : tube ? Actually that is not how the pill works, but it *is* how the IUD works. The oral contraceptive pill actually *prevents* ovulation from occuring by providing negatve feedback to the pituitary gland, and thus preventing the LH surge that normally occurs at the time of ovulation. With the IUD what happens is that fertilization may occur, but the device prevents implantation within the wall of the uterus (*not* the vagina). -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = = General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer! = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ";-1;0 "From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 111 In article <1993Apr16.190447.8242@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.155123.447@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes: > >>Maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses? > >You mean the responses some of which pointed to double-blind tests >which show no such ""chinese restaurant effect"" unique to MSG >(it's elicited by the placebo as well.) Many people responded with more anecdotal stories; I think its safe to say the original poster is already familiar with such stories. Presumably, he wants hard info to substantiate or refute claims about MSG making people ill. Similarly, debunking such claims without doing research (whether literature and lab), is equally beside the point. The original poster no doubt already knows that some people think 'Chinese Restaurant Syndrome' is bogus. Placebos are all very interesting, but irrelevant to the question of what effects MSG has. You could have real effects *and* placebo effects; people may have allergies in addition. > >>Yet again, the use of this >>newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters >>they have substantial knowledge of. > >Like youself? Someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently >come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to >do with the use of this substance in human nutrition? Have you read Olney's work? I fail to see how citing results from peer-reviewed studies qualifies as ""bizarrely cracked"". >>For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a >>toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on >>development. It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an >>excitotoxic food additive, > >No, it's undisputed in the literature that glutamate is an amino acid >which is an excitatory neurotransmitter. There is also evidence that >excessive release of glutamate may be involved in the pathology of certain >conditions like stroke, drowning and Lou Gehrig's disease, just to name a few. >This is a completely different issue than the use of this ubiquitous amino acid >in foods. People are not receiving intra-ventricular injections of glutamate. Tests have been done on Rhesus monkeys, as well. I have never seen a study where the mode of administration was intra-ventricular. The Glu and Asp were administered orally. Some studies used IV and SC. Intra-ventricular is not a normal admin. method for food tox. studies, for obvious reasons. You must not have read the peer-reviewed works that I referred to or you would never have come up with this brain injection bunk. >>Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown off. > >Sez you. Such an effect in humans has not been demonstrated in any >controlled studies. Infant mice and other models are useful as far >as they go, but they're not relevant to the matter at hand. Which is >not to say that I favor its use in things like baby food--a patently >ridiculous use of the additive. But we have no reason to believe >that MSG in the diet effects humans adversely. Pardon me, but where are you getting this from? Have you read the journals? Have you done a thorough literature search? But, you're right, mice aren't the best to study this on. They're four times less sensitive than humans to MSG. >>Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in >>small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts >>added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be >>encountered in a ny single food. > >Wrong. Do you know how much aspartate or phenylalanine is in a soft drink? >Milligrams worth. Compare that to a glass of milk. Do you know how much >glutamate is present in most protein-containing foods compared to that >added by the use of MSG? The point is exceeding the window. Of course, they're amino acids. Note that people with PKU cannot tolerate any phenylalanine. Olney's research compared infant human diets. Specifically, the amount of freely available Glu in mother's milk versus commercial baby foods, vs. typical lunch items from the Standard American Diet such as packaged soup mixes. He found that one could exceed the projected safety margin for infant humans by at least four-fold in a single meal of processed foods. Mother's milk was well below the effective dose. >>Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his* >>sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute. > >Impeccable. There most certainly is a dispute. Between who? Over what? I would be most interested in seeing you provide peer-reviewed non-food-industry-funded citations to articles disputing that MSG has no effects whatsoever. > >Steve Dyer >dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer Hmm. "".com"". Why am I not surprised? - Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca ";4;1 "From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 19 In article <1qmvutINN3he@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes: }In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in }front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the }jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch }into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a }better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than }from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors. This is pretty damned complicated. I just make a ""back off"" motion with my hand/arm, and the second or third time even the most braindead cager backs off. If they don't back off then, I find a way to get the hell out of there -- the cager is either psychotic, drunk, or just a complete asshole. In any case, I don't want to be anywhere near, and especially not in front. -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson ";-1;0 "From: Valentin E. Vulihman Subject: Attractive drawing on the sphere Lines: 2 Reply-To: vulih@ipmce.su Organization: Inst. of Prec. Mech. & Comp. Equip., Moscow, Russia subscribe comp.graphics quit ";1;1 "From: simsh@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Hillel Y. Sims) Subject: How often are SIMMs bad (mail order)? Nntp-Posting-Host: aix02.ecs.rpi.edu Lines: 19 Hi everyone. Just the other day, I ordered a VRAM chip for my new LCIII from Mac Connection. They sent it overnight (very nice) and I got it installed, and we found that it didn't work properly. When you put the computer in thousands mode, the bottom of the screen (using the new chip) is all flickering and fuzzy. So I called them up and I'm going to return it for a new one. My question is, how often does such a thing happen with SIMM chips in general? Do you often find when ordering chips that a large portion are bad? Is this a rarity? This is the first chip I've ordered so I have no other experience in this area. I'm just curious if anyone else has had the same type of experience. That's about it. Please email me, and if people want, I can post a summary. Thanks all. -- Hillel Sims ----- simsh@rpi.edu ----- Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute ""Is rot13 rotated 13 forward or backward?"" --Anonymous ";-1;0 "From: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) Subject: Re: Problems with Toshiba 3401 CDROM Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 In article <1r25nt$oa5@ratatosk.uninett.no> hktth@nho.hydro.com writes: >In article <1993Apr20.191255.10115@news.columbia.edu>, imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) writes: >|> Hi! >|> I recently purchased the Toshiba 3401 CDROM. I own an Adaptec 1542B >|> SCSI card, and I have so far failed to get the CDROM to work under DOS. It > >One of the ASPI-drivers (I think it's the ASPICD) supports a /NORST >paramter, which means to not reset the SCSI bus when it loads. This >fixed the problem a friend of mine was having with his adaptec+tosh >3401. > >Regards, > > -Terje It worked!!! Thank you very much! ******************************************************************************* * imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Imad ""Hexabyte"" Jureidini * * The Ultimate Knight, Grand Priest of the Secrets of the Undefined. * ******************************************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Cause of mental retardation? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr13.111834.1@cc.uvcc.edu> harrisji@cc.uvcc.edu writes: > >Chromosome studies have shown no abnormalities. Enzyme studies and >urine analyses have not turned up anything out of the ordinary. >MRI images of the brain show scar tissue in the white matter. >Subsequent MRI analysis has shown that the deterioration of the >white matter is progressive. > >Because neither family has a history of anything like this, and >because two of our four children are afflicted with the disorder, >we believe that it is an autosomal recessive metabolic disorder of >some kind. Naturally, we would like to know exactly what the >disease is so that we may gain some insight into how we can expect >the disorder to progress in the future. We would also like to be >able to provide our normal children with some information about >what they can expect in their own children. > It could be one of the leukodystrophies (not adrenal, only boys get that). Surely you've been to a university pediatric neurology department. If not that is the next step. Biopsies might help, especially if peripheral nerves are also affected. There are so many of these diseases that would fit the symptoms you gave that more can't be said at this time. I agree with your surmise that it is an autosomal recessive. If so, your normal children won't have to worry too much unless they marry near relatives. Most recessive genes are rare except in inbred communities (e.g. Lithuanian Jews). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Article-I.D.: fringe.oNV82B1w165w Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion. Lines: 66 ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: > My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or > something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the > approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target, > then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it > didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my > house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to > the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to > the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to > harm. [interesting dog collision story deleted] > What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have > prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not > necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was > riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if > it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the > thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a > blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are > long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end? > > I eagerly await comment. My driveway and about half my neighbor's driveways are long enough to do a good 80 clicks (50mph for the velocity impaired) if we wanted to. Granted, I live in the country, however I've seen neighbors whip out of their driveways at the above mentioned 30 mph quite a bit- they claim they can tell that ""There's noone on the road for quite a ways."" This despite having nearly been hit myself by one of them while driving a Chev 4x4, and twice taking my 10-speed bicycle over the hood of a car that had pulled out, saw me, *then* stopped. Same driver. Same car. About two months apart. ObMoto: The scary relevant part is that these people and I live on the type of twisty two lane that we all favor for riding- and I know damn well that they can't see me on my bike, not if they couldn't see me in my pickup. > Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride > KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to > DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to > ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . > > > * SLMR 2.1a * ""He's hurt."" ""Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor -- oh, right."" > > ---- > +===============================================================+ > |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| > |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| > +===============================================================+ There's nothing like the pitter-patter of little feet, followed by the words ""Hey- you're not my Daddy!"" (Sorry- I had to do it just once) -- Dean Woodward | ""You want to step into my world? dean@fringe.rain.com | It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."" '82 Virago 920 | -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World' DoD # 0866 ";-1;0 "From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) Subject: Pro-abortion feminist leader endorses trashing of free speech rights Organization: NCSU Lines: 38 --- 51 Arrested for Defying Judge's Order at Abortion Protest Rally The Miami Herald, April 11, 1993 Melbourne, Florida -- [...] Circuit Judge Robert McGregor's order prohibits anti-abortion pickets within 36 feet of the property line of Aware Woman Center for Choice. Even across the street, they may not display pictures of dead fetuses or sing or chant loud enough to be heard by patients inside the clinic. The protesters say the ruling all but wiped out the First Amendment to the Constitution. ``This is our sidewalk,'' said Joe Carroll, 33, a landscaper who marched with his children, Mary Grace, 8, and John, 7. ``I am not a rescuer. I am not a trespasser. It's just that this is my sidewalk. I am not really protesting abortion. We are protesting denial of our rights of assembly, religion, speech. This judge is trashing the Constitution.'' The children's grandmother led them away, sobbing, as Carroll and his father were arrested. Outside the clinic, Eleanor Smeal, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Feminist Majority Foundation, called for the Florida Legislature and Congress to pass laws as tough as the judge's order, which covers only Brevard and Seminole counties. ``This cannot go on,'' she said. ``This is not freedom of speech, this is total psychological warfare with violence. It is ridiculous to have to ask clinics to go court-by-court . . . to get protection.'' [...] --- ";-1;0 "From: rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us (Roger C. Pao) Subject: Re: 16Mb ISA limit Keywords: monitor, VGA, question Organization: MicroTech Software Lines: 29 marka@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Mark Ashley) writes: >In the latest PC Magazine (Pentium isssue), there >is an editorial on the >advantages of a PC using EISE/VESA-LB rather >than just plain ISA/VESA-LB. Supposedly users >will eventually want more than 16Mb of RAM. >However since the ISA bus has only 24 bits, >then anything on the bus can access only 16Mb >even if I have 32Mb on the motherboard. >So far I agree with the arguments. >Then the writer claims that glitches can >occur in systems with over 16Mb because >of that limit. That part I don't understand >because the RAM is right on the motherboard. >So the cpu should have no problems talking >with the RAM. Can anybody explain this ? The problem is with ISA bus-masters which can only address the first 16MBs of system memory. Bus-masters do not use the CPU nor the system DMA to do the actual data transfer but transfer their data directly to the system RAM. rp93 -- Roger C. Pao {gordius,bagdad,pride386}!mts!rpao, rpao@mts.mivj.ca.us ";-1;0 "From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 24 In article <15149@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >In article <113328@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes: >>When are you going to admit that the data you presented show >>just this---that only about 3% of child molesters are gay, and thus are >>NOT overrepresented with respect to the general incidence of homosexuality? >When someone can show something besides a Redbook article. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this irrelevant? Either the data shows something, or it doesn't. Regardless of what other studies show. Admit it. What you SHOWED to us doesn't prove that gay men are more likely to be molesters. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University, Boston, MA 02215. True personal salvation is achieved by absolute faith in ones true self. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ";-1;0 "From: rgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder) Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism Organization: Marine Biological Laboratory Lines: 39 In article , mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: > > In article heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes: > > > > I realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do > >have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a > >pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior > >who saw no problem with deforestation since we were ""living in the > >last days"" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods > >anyway? > > I heard the same thing, but without confirmation that he actually said it. > It was just as alarming to us as to you; the Bible says that nobody knows > when the second coming will take place. > > -- > :- Michael A. Covington I do recall Watt making a comment to this effect, though it was quite a few years back and I can't cite the specifics. I also recall that Cecil Andrus, who was Secretary of the Interior during the Carter Administration, responded to Watt's comments by pointing out the stewardship role that God gave to man, as recorded in Genesis. Which makes me wonder: who are the true conservatives? It seems to me that a *conservative* should want to *conserve* things of value for long-term societal benefit. This form of *conservation* should logically extend to the physical environment in which people live, as well as the moral environment in which they relate to one another and to God. IMHO, Watt's stewardship status is not enhanced by the fact that he served on the board of directors for Jim Bakker's organization, during a time in which Bakker committed criminal acts which eventually landed Bakker in federal prison. Bob rgolder@hoh.mbl.edu Just another Baptist... ";-1;0 "From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) Subject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650 Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr15.181440.15490@waikato.ac.nz>, I said: > I know that plugging and unplugging ADB devices with the power on is ""not > supported"", and you can hit problems if you have multiple devices with > clashing addresses, and all that. I've had a couple of e-mail responses from people who seem to believe that this sort of thing is not only unsupported, it is downright dangerous. I have heard of no such warnings from anybody at Apple. Just to be sure, I asked a couple of our technicians, one of whom has been servicing Macs for years. There is *no* danger of damaging logic boards by plugging and unplugging ADB devices with the power on. SCSI, yes, ADB, no... Lawrence D'Oliveiro fone: +64-7-856-2889 Computer Services Dept fax: +64-7-838-4066 University of Waikato electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz Hamilton, New Zealand 37^ 47' 26"" S, 175^ 19' 7"" E, GMT+12:00 ";-1;0 "From: urathi@net4.ICS.UCI.EDU (Unmesh Rathi) Subject: Motif++ and Interviews Lines: 12 Hi, I am in the process of making the decision whether I should write c++ wrappers for motif myself or use Motif++ or Interviews. Though I have downloaded the tar files, I fail to see any documentation. I have two questions: 1) If you have used these or similar c++sy toolkits what has been your experience? 2) Where do I find reference books /documentation for them? any and all input will be greatly appreciated. /unmesh ";12;1 "From: jmg14@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Graham) Subject: Re: 14"" monitors Article-I.D.: usenet.1pt447$n3r Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Joseph M. Kasanic writes: >Just thought I would mention that Sony no longer manufactures the CPD- >1304 because of several manufacturing flaws. The new model is now the >1430, which just like Apple's new Sony Trinitrom CLAIMS to be 14 inches. >I'm not sure of the details on the defects, but I work at our schools >bookstore >and can tell you that nearly half of them were returned with some kind of >defect or another. I'm assuming that you are referring to the 1304S, correct? What kind of flaws have been reported? I've been using mine for about 6-7 months now, and I haven't noticed any problems. Might they develop later, or did I get lucky and snag a good monitor? Just Curious, john -- ******John M. Graham*********************** ******The Cleveland Institute of Music***** ******jmg14@po.cwru.edu******************** Brought to you by the letters J, M, and G, and the number 14. ";-1;0 " uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!keith Subject: Re: My personal objection is that I find capital punishment to be >cruel and unusual punishment under all circumstances. It can be painless, so it isn't cruel. And, it has occurred frequently since the dawn of time, so it is hardly unusual. >I don't take issue with the numbers. A single innocent life taken >is one too many. But, innocents die due to many causes. Why have you singled out accidental or false execution as the one to take issue with? keith ";-1;0 "From: todd@psgi.UUCP (Todd Doolittle) Subject: Fork Seals Distribution: world Organization: Not an Organization Lines: 23 I'm about to undertake changing the fork seals on my '88 EX500. My Clymer manual says I need the following tools from Kawasaki: 57001-183 (T handle looking thing in illustration) 57001-1057 (Some type of adapter for the end of the T handle) 57001-1091 No illustration of this tool and the manual just refers to it as ""the kawasaki tool."" 57001-1058 Oil seal and bearing remover. How necessary are these tools? Considering the dealers around here didn't have the Clymer manual, fork seals, and a turn signal assembly in stock I really doubt they have these tools in stock and I'd really like to get this done this week. Any help would be appreciated as always. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..vela.acs.oakland.edu!psgi!todd | '88 RM125 The only bike sold without Todd Doolittle | a red-line. Troy, MI | '88 EX500 DoD #0832 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill) Subject: Question about Islamic view Organization: Idaho River Country, The Salmon, Payette, Clearwater, Boise, Selway, Priest. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6] Lines: 8 A question regarding the Islamic view towards homosexuality came up in a discussion group that I participate in, and I'd like to ask the question here, ""What is the Islamic view towards homosexuality?"" Jim Burrill jburrill@boi.hp.com ";-1;0 "From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) Subject: Ohio Legislative Alert -- H.B. 278 Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Distribution: usa Keywords: otto beatty goes for a gun ban again Lines: 21 OHIO HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE TUEDAY, APRIL 6, 1993 H.B. NO. 278- REPRESENTATIVE BEATTY TO AMMEND SECTION 2923.11, 2923.17, AND 2923.20 AND TO ENACT N 2923.181 OF THE REVISED CODE TO EXPAND THE DEFINTION OF DANGEROUS ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE MILITARY WEAPONS THAT DO NOT USE BOLT ACTION, TO INCREASE THE PENALTY FOR A VIOLATION OF THE PROHIBTION AGAINST POSSESION OF DANGEROUS ORDINANCE, TO PROHIBIT ANY PERSON FROM ACQUIRING A MILITARY WEAPON ON OR AFTER THE ACT'SEFFECTIVE DATE, TO REQUIRE THE LICENSURE OF MILITARY WEAPONS ACQUIRED FOR A PROPER PURPOSE PRIOR TO THE ACT'S EFFECTIVE DATE, TO PROHIBIT A PERSON FROM IMPORTING, MANUFACTURING, OR SELLING A MILITARY WEAPON, AND TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. As of Monday, April 12, 1993 H.B. 278 had not been assigned to a committee. Introduced as an emergency measure if this passes there is no chance for a reforendum, and would go into effect immediately as opposed to the state requirement of 90 days before a law goes into effect. -- Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com ";-1;0 "From: cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff) Subject: Reprints Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: cliff.watson.ibm.com Organization: A Lines: 17 I have a few reprints left of chapters from my book ""Visions of the Future"". These include reprints of 3 chapters probably of interest to readers of this forum, including: 1. Current Techniques and Development of Computer Art, by Franz Szabo 2. Forging a Career as a Sculptor from a Career as Computer Programmer, by Stewart Dickson 3. Fractals and Genetics in the Future by H. Joel Jeffrey I'd be happy to send out free reprints to researchers for scholarly purposes, until the reprints run out. Just send me your name and address. Thanks, Cliff cliff@watson.ibm.com ";-1;0 "From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug Distribution: na Lines: 14 res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes: > >Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent >to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks? It would be in a different location, so a directional antenna could probably lock in on just the one monitor. Failing that, a phased array could likely seperate the signals. Admittedly, this is expensive, but so is all the rest of this stuff anyway. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. ";16;1 "From: bryan@alex.com (Bryan Boreham) Return-Path: Subject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups Nntp-Posting-Host: tweety Reply-To: bryan@alex.com Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England Lines: 15 In article <735259869.13021@minster.york.ac.uk>, cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk writes: > The application creates window with a button ""Quit"" and ""Press me"". > The button ""Press me"" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of > this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the > first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), > it is *much* slower. The shell is waiting for the window-manager to respond to its positioning request. The window-manager is not responding because it thinks the window is already in the right place. Exactly *why* the two components get into this sulk is unclear to me; all information greatly received. Bryan. ";-1;0 "From: mathew Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Atheist Resources Summary: Books, addresses, music -- anything related to atheism Keywords: FAQ, atheism, books, music, fiction, addresses, contacts Expires: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 11:57:19 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Supersedes: <19930301143317@mantis.co.uk> Lines: 290 Archive-name: atheism/resources Alt-atheism-archive-name: resources Last-modified: 11 December 1992 Version: 1.0 Atheist Resources Addresses of Atheist Organizations USA FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION Darwin fish bumper stickers and assorted other atheist paraphernalia are available from the Freedom From Religion Foundation in the US. Write to: FFRF, P.O. Box 750, Madison, WI 53701. Telephone: (608) 256-8900 EVOLUTION DESIGNS Evolution Designs sell the ""Darwin fish"". It's a fish symbol, like the ones Christians stick on their cars, but with feet and the word ""Darwin"" written inside. The deluxe moulded 3D plastic fish is $4.95 postpaid in the US. Write to: Evolution Designs, 7119 Laurel Canyon #4, North Hollywood, CA 91605. People in the San Francisco Bay area can get Darwin Fish from Lynn Gold -- try mailing . For net people who go to Lynn directly, the price is $4.95 per fish. AMERICAN ATHEIST PRESS AAP publish various atheist books -- critiques of the Bible, lists of Biblical contradictions, and so on. One such book is: ""The Bible Handbook"" by W.P. Ball and G.W. Foote. American Atheist Press. 372 pp. ISBN 0-910309-26-4, 2nd edition, 1986. Bible contradictions, absurdities, atrocities, immoralities... contains Ball, Foote: ""The Bible Contradicts Itself"", AAP. Based on the King James version of the Bible. Write to: American Atheist Press, P.O. Box 140195, Austin, TX 78714-0195. or: 7215 Cameron Road, Austin, TX 78752-2973. Telephone: (512) 458-1244 Fax: (512) 467-9525 PROMETHEUS BOOKS Sell books including Haught's ""Holy Horrors"" (see below). Write to: 700 East Amherst Street, Buffalo, New York 14215. Telephone: (716) 837-2475. An alternate address (which may be newer or older) is: Prometheus Books, 59 Glenn Drive, Buffalo, NY 14228-2197. AFRICAN-AMERICANS FOR HUMANISM An organization promoting black secular humanism and uncovering the history of black freethought. They publish a quarterly newsletter, AAH EXAMINER. Write to: Norm R. Allen, Jr., African Americans for Humanism, P.O. Box 664, Buffalo, NY 14226. United Kingdom Rationalist Press Association National Secular Society 88 Islington High Street 702 Holloway Road London N1 8EW London N19 3NL 071 226 7251 071 272 1266 British Humanist Association South Place Ethical Society 14 Lamb's Conduit Passage Conway Hall London WC1R 4RH Red Lion Square 071 430 0908 London WC1R 4RL fax 071 430 1271 071 831 7723 The National Secular Society publish ""The Freethinker"", a monthly magazine founded in 1881. Germany IBKA e.V. Internationaler Bund der Konfessionslosen und Atheisten Postfach 880, D-1000 Berlin 41. Germany. IBKA publish a journal: MIZ. (Materialien und Informationen zur Zeit. Politisches Journal der Konfessionslosesn und Atheisten. Hrsg. IBKA e.V.) MIZ-Vertrieb, Postfach 880, D-1000 Berlin 41. Germany. For atheist books, write to: IBDK, Internationaler B""ucherdienst der Konfessionslosen Postfach 3005, D-3000 Hannover 1. Germany. Telephone: 0511/211216 Books -- Fiction THOMAS M. DISCH ""The Santa Claus Compromise"" Short story. The ultimate proof that Santa exists. All characters and events are fictitious. Any similarity to living or dead gods -- uh, well... WALTER M. MILLER, JR ""A Canticle for Leibowitz"" One gem in this post atomic doomsday novel is the monks who spent their lives copying blueprints from ""Saint Leibowitz"", filling the sheets of paper with ink and leaving white lines and letters. EDGAR PANGBORN ""Davy"" Post atomic doomsday novel set in clerical states. The church, for example, forbids that anyone ""produce, describe or use any substance containing... atoms"". PHILIP K. DICK Philip K. Dick Dick wrote many philosophical and thought-provoking short stories and novels. His stories are bizarre at times, but very approachable. He wrote mainly SF, but he wrote about people, truth and religion rather than technology. Although he often believed that he had met some sort of God, he remained sceptical. Amongst his novels, the following are of some relevance: ""Galactic Pot-Healer"" A fallible alien deity summons a group of Earth craftsmen and women to a remote planet to raise a giant cathedral from beneath the oceans. When the deity begins to demand faith from the earthers, pot-healer Joe Fernwright is unable to comply. A polished, ironic and amusing novel. ""A Maze of Death"" Noteworthy for its description of a technology-based religion. ""VALIS"" The schizophrenic hero searches for the hidden mysteries of Gnostic Christianity after reality is fired into his brain by a pink laser beam of unknown but possibly divine origin. He is accompanied by his dogmatic and dismissively atheist friend and assorted other odd characters. ""The Divine Invasion"" God invades Earth by making a young woman pregnant as she returns from another star system. Unfortunately she is terminally ill, and must be assisted by a dead man whose brain is wired to 24-hour easy listening music. MARGARET ATWOOD ""The Handmaid's Tale"" A story based on the premise that the US Congress is mysteriously assassinated, and fundamentalists quickly take charge of the nation to set it ""right"" again. The book is the diary of a woman's life as she tries to live under the new Christian theocracy. Women's right to own property is revoked, and their bank accounts are closed; sinful luxuries are outlawed, and the radio is only used for readings from the Bible. Crimes are punished retroactively: doctors who performed legal abortions in the ""old world"" are hunted down and hanged. Atwood's writing style is difficult to get used to at first, but the tale grows more and more chilling as it goes on. VARIOUS AUTHORS ""The Bible"" This somewhat dull and rambling work has often been criticized. However, it is probably worth reading, if only so that you'll know what all the fuss is about. It exists in many different versions, so make sure you get the one true version. Books -- Non-fiction PETER DE ROSA ""Vicars of Christ"", Bantam Press, 1988 Although de Rosa seems to be Christian or even Catholic this is a very enlighting history of papal immoralities, adulteries, fallacies etc. (German translation: ""Gottes erste Diener. Die dunkle Seite des Papsttums"", Droemer-Knaur, 1989) MICHAEL MARTIN ""Atheism: A Philosophical Justification"", Temple University Press, Philadelphia, USA. A detailed and scholarly justification of atheism. Contains an outstanding appendix defining terminology and usage in this (necessarily) tendentious area. Argues both for ""negative atheism"" (i.e. the ""non-belief in the existence of god(s)"") and also for ""positive atheism"" (""the belief in the non-existence of god(s)""). Includes great refutations of the most challenging arguments for god; particular attention is paid to refuting contempory theists such as Platinga and Swinburne. 541 pages. ISBN 0-87722-642-3 (hardcover; paperback also available) ""The Case Against Christianity"", Temple University Press A comprehensive critique of Christianity, in which he considers the best contemporary defences of Christianity and (ultimately) demonstrates that they are unsupportable and/or incoherent. 273 pages. ISBN 0-87722-767-5 JAMES TURNER ""Without God, Without Creed"", The Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, MD, USA Subtitled ""The Origins of Unbelief in America"". Examines the way in which unbelief (whether agnostic or atheistic) became a mainstream alternative world-view. Focusses on the period 1770-1900, and while considering France and Britain the emphasis is on American, and particularly New England developments. ""Neither a religious history of secularization or atheism, Without God, Without Creed is, rather, the intellectual history of the fate of a single idea, the belief that God exists."" 316 pages. ISBN (hardcover) 0-8018-2494-X (paper) 0-8018-3407-4 GEORGE SELDES (Editor) ""The great thoughts"", Ballantine Books, New York, USA A ""dictionary of quotations"" of a different kind, concentrating on statements and writings which, explicitly or implicitly, present the person's philosophy and world-view. Includes obscure (and often suppressed) opinions from many people. For some popular observations, traces the way in which various people expressed and twisted the idea over the centuries. Quite a number of the quotations are derived from Cardiff's ""What Great Men Think of Religion"" and Noyes' ""Views of Religion"". 490 pages. ISBN (paper) 0-345-29887-X. RICHARD SWINBURNE ""The Existence of God (Revised Edition)"", Clarendon Paperbacks, Oxford This book is the second volume in a trilogy that began with ""The Coherence of Theism"" (1977) and was concluded with ""Faith and Reason"" (1981). In this work, Swinburne attempts to construct a series of inductive arguments for the existence of God. His arguments, which are somewhat tendentious and rely upon the imputation of late 20th century western Christian values and aesthetics to a God which is supposedly as simple as can be conceived, were decisively rejected in Mackie's ""The Miracle of Theism"". In the revised edition of ""The Existence of God"", Swinburne includes an Appendix in which he makes a somewhat incoherent attempt to rebut Mackie. J. L. MACKIE ""The Miracle of Theism"", Oxford This (posthumous) volume contains a comprehensive review of the principal arguments for and against the existence of God. It ranges from the classical philosophical positions of Descartes, Anselm, Berkeley, Hume et al, through the moral arguments of Newman, Kant and Sidgwick, to the recent restatements of the classical theses by Plantinga and Swinburne. It also addresses those positions which push the concept of God beyond the realm of the rational, such as those of Kierkegaard, Kung and Philips, as well as ""replacements for God"" such as Lelie's axiarchism. The book is a delight to read - less formalistic and better written than Martin's works, and refreshingly direct when compared with the hand-waving of Swinburne. JAMES A. HAUGHT ""Holy Horrors: An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness"", Prometheus Books Looks at religious persecution from ancient times to the present day -- and not only by Christians. Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 89-64079. 1990. NORM R. ALLEN, JR. ""African American Humanism: an Anthology"" See the listing for African Americans for Humanism above. GORDON STEIN ""An Anthology of Atheism and Rationalism"", Prometheus Books An anthology covering a wide range of subjects, including 'The Devil, Evil and Morality' and 'The History of Freethought'. Comprehensive bibliography. EDMUND D. COHEN ""The Mind of The Bible-Believer"", Prometheus Books A study of why people become Christian fundamentalists, and what effect it has on them. Net Resources There's a small mail-based archive server at mantis.co.uk which carries archives of old alt.atheism.moderated articles and assorted other files. For more information, send mail to archive-server@mantis.co.uk saying help send atheism/index and it will mail back a reply. mathew ÿ ";-1;0 "From: lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Distribution: na Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr13.202037.9485@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: |> In article rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) writes: |> >In article niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes: |> >>reference to history because he certainly didn't have the best season for |> >>second basemen in history. He probably didn't even have as good a season as |> >>Alomar last year. |> > |> >What? Do you have some measure (like popularity in Toronto doesn't count) |> >that you are basing this statement on? |> |> Uh, yes. Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter |> last year. |> |> BATTERS BA SLG OBP G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E |> BAERGA,C .312 .455 .354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19 |> ALOMAR,R .310 .427 .405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5 |> This is fascinating. You say that Alomar was the better hitter last year, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga had a better year. The only category that I see which shows an advantage for Alomar is OBP. ";14;1 "From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage) Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 25 In dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes: >The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit >Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3. Can someone who is not >part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game >really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for >Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for >Gilmour). If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever >biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the >Red Wings win? Ah yes. California. Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston? Apparently Montana is not only coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be expected to quarterback the powerplay. Good thing those walls are so soft, eh Rollie? -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" ";-1;0 "Subject: help with internet!!! From: dfmorgan@acs.harding.edu Reply-To: dfmorgan@acs.harding.edu Organization: Harding University Nntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu Lines: 10 I know this isn't the EXACT right place to put this, but im desperate! I'll be going home for the summer, and wont have direct access to my VAX account....My problem is, i need a service that doesn't charge body parts, vital organs, or my first born son, that allows me access to the internet! All i really need is to be able to TELNET to my school account, and from there I can do anything I need to do. ANY HELP WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!! Please! E-MAIL to DFMORGAN@acs.harding.edu ";-1;0 "From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Subject: PC games (joystick) port Article-I.D.: ozonehol.5109.442.uupcb Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) Distribution: world Organization: Ozone Online Operations, Inc., DBA The Ozone Hole BBS Lines: 29 >Subject says it all - could someone tell me the pinout >for a PC type analogue joystick port? Joystick A: 1 +5 VDC 2 Button 1 3 X Axis 4 Ground 5 Ground 6 Y Axis 7 Button 2 8 + 5 VDC Joystick B: 9 +5 VDC 10 Button 1 11 X Axis 12 Ground 13 Y axis 14 Button 2 15 +5 VDC --- . SLMR 2.1 . Soft judges make hardened criminals. ---- The Ozone Hole BBS * A Private Bulletin Board Service * (504)891-3142 3 Full Service Nodes * USRobotics 16.8K bps * 10 Gigs * 100,000 Files SKYDIVE New Orleans! * RIME Network Mail HUB * 500+ Usenet Newsgroups Please route all questions or inquiries to: postmaster@ozonehole.com ";-1;0 "From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17 mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes: >Let's not forget that the soldiers were killed not murdered. The >distinction is not trivial. Murder happens to innocent people, not people >whose line of work is to kill or be killed. It just so happened that these >soldiers, in the line of duty, were killed by the opposition. That still doesn't mean we should cheer their deaths. Policemen are also in the line of fire and their job includes the possibility of getting killed. Should we be happy when they die? As I said before, the question is not whether or not you agree with the policies of Israel. You may wish for the Israelis to cease occupation, but don't rejoice in death. >-marc Ed. ";-1;0 "From: wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: NASA ""Wraps"" Organization: University of Houston Lines: 160 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: judy.uh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr18.034101.21934@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes... >In article <17APR199316423628@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes: > >>I don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single >>line item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as >>wrap at this university. > >Dennis, I have worked on or written proposals worth tens of millions >of $$. Customers included government (including NASA), for profit and >non-profit companies. All expected a wrap (usually called a fee). Much >of the work involved allocating and costing the work of subcontractors. >The subcontractors where universities, for-profits, non-profits, and >even some of the NASA Centers for the Commercialization of Space. ALL >charged fees as part of the work. Down the street is one of the NASA >commercialization centers; they charge a fee. > You totally forgot the original post that you posted Allen. In that post you stated that the ""wrap"" was on top of and in addition to any overhead. Geez in this post you finally admit that this is not true. >Now, I'm sure your a competent engineer Dennis, but you clearly lack >experience in several areas. Your posts show that you don't understand >the importance of integration in large projects. You also show a lack >of understanding of costing efforts as shown by your belief that it >is reasonable to charge incremental costs for everything. This isn't >a flame, jsut a statement. Come your little ol buns down here and you will find out who is doing what and who is working on integration. This is simply an ad hominum attack and you know it. > >Your employer DOES charge a fee. You may not see it but you do. > Of course there is a fee. It is for administration. Geez Allen any organization has costs but there is a heck of a difference in legitimate costs, such as libraries and other things that must be there to support a program and ""wrap"" as you originally stated it.You stated that wrap was on top of all of the overhead which a couple of sentences down you say is not true. Which is it Allen? >>>Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your >>>costing people how much fee they add to a project. > >>I did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that >>any percentage number like this is included in the overhead. > >Well there you are Dennis. As I said, they simply include the fee in >their overhead. Many seoparate the fee since the fee structure can >change depending on the customer. > As you have posted on this subject Allen, you state that wrap is over and above overhead and is a seperate charge. You admit here that this is wrong. Nasa has a line item budget every year. I have seen it Allen. Get some numbers from that detailed NASA budget and dig out the wrap numbers and then howl to high heaven about it. Until you do that you are barking in the wind. >>No Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee >>of the Overhead capital of NASA. > >Integration, Dennis, isn't overhead. > >>Nothing that Reston does could not be dont >>better or cheaper at the Other NASA centers where the work is going on. > Integration could be done better at the centers. Apollo integration was done here at Msfc and that did not turn out so bad. The philosophy of Reston is totally wrong Allen. There you have a bunch of people who are completely removed from the work that they are trying to oversee. There is no way that will ever work. It has never worked in any large scale project that it was ever tried on. Could you imagine a Reston like set up for Apollo? >Dennis, Reston has been the only NASA agency working to reduce costs. When >WP 02 was hemoraging out a billion $$, the centers you love so much where >doing their best to cover it up and ignore the problem. Reston was the >only place you would find people actually interested in solving the >problems and building a station. > Oh you are full of it Allen on this one. I agree that JSC screwed up big. They should be responsible for that screw up and the people that caused it replaced. To make a stupid statement like that just shows how deep your bias goes. Come to MSFC for a couple of weeks and you will find out just how wrong you really are. Maybe not, people like you believe exactly what they want to believe no matter what the facts are contrary to it. >>Kinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is >>at a place where everything is overhead. > >When you have a bit more experience Dennis, you will realize that >integration isn't overhead. It is the single most important part >of a successful large scale effort. > I agree that integration is the single most important part of a successful large scale effort. What I completly disagree with is seperating that integration function from the people that are doing the work. It is called leadership Allen. That is what made Apollo work. Final responsibility for the success of Apollo was held by less than 50 people. That is leadership and responsibility. There is neither when you have any organization set up as Reston is. You could take the same people and move them to JSC or MSFC and they could do a much better job. Why did it take a year for Reston to finally say something about the problem? If they were on site and part of the process then the problem would have never gotten out of hand in the first place. There is one heck of a lot I do not know Allen, but one thing I do know is that for a project to be successful you must have leadership. I remember all of the turn over at Reston that kept SSF program in shambles for years do you? It is lack of responsibility and leadership that is the programs problem. Lack of leadership from the White House, Congress and at Reston. Nasa is only a symptom of a greater national problem. You are so narrowly focused in your efforts that you do not see this. >>Why did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally >>demanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being >>selective with the facts again. > >The story you refer to said that some NASA people blamed it on >Congress. Suprise suprise. The fact remains that it is the centers >you support so much who covered up the overheads and wouldn't address >the problems until the press published the story. > >Are you saying the Reston managers where wrong to get NASA to address >the overruns? You approve of what the centers did to cover up the overruns? > No, I am saying that if they were located at JSC it never would have happened in the first place. >>If it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost >>of 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your >>""friend"" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it >>for a billion a year ""if the wrap were gone"". This merely points out a >>blatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see. > >You should know Dennis that NASA doesn't include transport costs for >resuply. That comes from the Shuttle budget. What they where saying >is that operational costs could be cut in half plus transport. > >>Sorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going >>to have to do Allen's math for him for a while. I will have little chance to >>do so. > >I do hope you can find the time to tell us just why it was wrong of >Reston to ask that the problems with WP 02 be addressed. > I have the time to reitereate one more timet that if the leadership that is at reston was on site at JSC the problem never would have happened, totally ignoring the lack of leadership of congress. This many headed hydra that has grown up at NASA is the true problem of the Agency and to try to change the question to suit you and your bias is only indicative of your position. Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville ";-1;0 "From: LLARSEN@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM Subject: >>> porsche 928<< Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc. Lines: 6 posting for a friend 1982 porsche 928 new this vehicle was $74,000 today book list this vehicle between 11,500 to 15,000 perfect in every way with all options including new paint, leather interior, sunroof and low miles call (408) 264-4444 ask for frank and lets negotiate trades considered ";-1;0 "From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 58 In a previous article, dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) says: > Do the words ""Question Authority"" mean anything to you? > > I defy any theist to reply. Well, despite what my mother told me about accepting dares, here goes. You have to be very careful about what you mean by ""question authority"". Taken literally, it is nonsense. That which is authoratative is authoratative, and to say ""I question to word of this authority"" is ridiculous. If it is open to question, it isn't an authority. On the other hand, it is perfectly reasonable to question whether something is an authority. The catch phrase here should be ""authenticate authority."" Once you have authenticated your authority, you must believe what it says, or you are not treating it as an authority. The difficulty is that authenticating an authority is not easy. You can perhaps discredit a claim to authority by showing logical inconsistency in what it teaches, or by showing that it does not obey its own rules of discourse. But the fact that I cannot discredit something does not, in inself, accredit it. (Nor does the fact that I can convince myself and other that I have discredited something necessarilly mean that it is false.) I cannot accredit an authority by independantly verifying its teachings, because if I can independantly verify its teachings, I don't need an authority. I need an authority only when there is information I need which I cannot get for myself. Thus, if I am to authenticate an authority, I must do it by some means other than by examining its teachings. In practical matters we accept all kinds of authorities because we don't have time to rediscover fundamental knowledge for ourselves. Every scientist woring today assumes, on the authority of the scintific community, all sorts of knowledge which is necessary to his work but which he has not time to verify for himself. In spiritual matters, we accept authority because we have no direct source ofinformation. We select our authorities based on various criteria. (I am a Catholic, in part, because the historical claims of the RC church seem the strongest.) Without authorities there would be no subject matter for belief, unless we simply made something up for ourselves (as many do). The atheist position seems to be that there are no authorities. This is a reasonable assertion in itself, but it leads to a practical difficulty. If you reject all authority out of hand, you reject all possibility of every receiving information. Thus the atheist position can never possibly change. It is non-falsifiable and therefore unscintific. To demand scintific or rational proof of God's existence, is to deny God's existence, since neither science, nor reason, can, in their very nature, prove anything. -- ============================================================================== Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis ============================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: drt@athena.mit.edu (David R Tucker) Subject: Re: Question: Jesus alone, Oneness Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 52 In article , Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (A 369) writes: |> Can anybody tell me the basic reasons for holding a belief that there |> is only Jesus? And vice versa: The foundations for the Trinity? |> |> Bjorn I'd love to know how ""Jesus only"" proponents would answer questions like: -Who is this ""Father"" Jesus keeps referring to? Why does He call Himself ""the Son""? -Why does He pray to the Father, and not to himself? -Why does He emphasize that he does his Father's will, and not his own? If He was doing his own will, what kind of example is that? Should we follow it? -When He says he has to return to the Father, who is He going to? -When He says he does this in order that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit might come, who might that be? -If He claims that the coming of the Holy Spirit is such a blessing that it's worth His leaving us and returning to the Father, what can that mean if there is no Holy Spirit? -Why doesn't the best known Christian prayer begin ""Our Saviour, who art in heaven,"" rather than ""Our Father?"" Do they have answers to these questions that are even plausible? (Further entertaining queries are left as an exercise to the reader.) -drt -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |David R. Tucker KG2S drt@athena.mit.edu| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [There may be some misunderstanding over terms here. I believe ""Jesus only"" originally was in the context of baptism. These are folks who believe that baptism should be done with a formula mentioning only Jesus, rather than Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This may have doctrinal implications, but as far as I know it does not mean that these folks deny the existence or divinity of the Father. I'm not the right one to describe this theology, and in fact I think there may be several, including what would classically be called monophysite or Arian (two rather different views), as well as some who have beliefs that are probably consistent with Trinitarian standards, but who won't use Trinitarian language because they misunderstand it or simply because it is not Biblical. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: bjones@convex.com (Brad Jones) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Nntp-Posting-Host: neptune.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 27 >In article <1qkcok$s9i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ci946@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John K. Gever) writes: >|> >|> Does anybody reading this group have an actual, honest-to-God >|> experience with violent crime in the backcountry to tell about? >|> It was around 1969 in the Shenandoah Valley near Woodstock, Virginia. Me, my wife, a friend, his wife, and his 2 kids were hiking in a totally desolate mountain area. All of a sudden, large rocks began raining down on us. Looking up, we saw at least 3 punks gleefully letting loose rocks from what was an obvious stash. They were a couple hundred feet above us. Meanwhile, the women and kids were screaming and running for cover and the punks were shrieking with laughter. Me and my friend yelled for them to knock it off. They responded that we should ""Get f***ed!"". Me and my friend drew our pistols and fired a couple of times into the trees above their heads. They ran. With no more 3-5 pound rocks coming at our heads, we proceeded on our journey. Sorry, but me and my friend saw no need to let it evolve to a more ""violent"" level than we were already experiencing. I guess we should have tried harder to understand and cope with the anger that society had instilled in them and was driving them to do such things. Guess that's a cross I'll have to bear. Brad ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: free moral agency Distribution: na Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 20 In article , bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) wrote: > As for your question of moral free-agency, given the Christian > position above, the freedom we have is to acknowledge God. The > morality we practice is a direct outgrowth of how we excercise that > freedom. You are free to ignore God in the same way you are free to > ignore gravity and the consequences are inevitable and well known > in both cases. That an atheist can't accept the evidence means only > that he prefers not to accept it, it says nothing about the evidence > itself. I agree, I had a hard feeling not believing my grand-grand mother who told me of elves dancing outside barns in the early mornings. I preferred not to accept it, even if her statement provided the truth itself. Life is hard. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: vlad@netcom.com (Vladimir Kuznetsov) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Lines: 22 In article kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: >Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study >(discrediting Kinsey) says so. >-- Yes, I saw today in 6 o'clock news on KCBS here in San Francisco this statistic quoted. 2.2% men had sex with another man. 1.3% cinsider themself homosexual. I understand of course that because this statistic goes against common believe and not PC-correct it must be complete BS. Thx vlad -- Vladimir Kuznetsov (408)252-5455 Natural Intelligence Consulting vlad@netcom.COM 73437,3344@compuserve.com vkuznetsov@mci.com ";-1;0 "From: ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Organization: Computer Sci. & Information Eng., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 7 Dear friend, The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about computer architecture for more information about RISC. ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw form R.O.C TaiwaN ";-1;0 "From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? Nntp-Posting-Host: bambam Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr21.154620.16330@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes: > Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! > > Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation > of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've > finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. > I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() > is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the > Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory > pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: > (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or > (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! Using XPutImage, your source is maintained by the client and the destination is maintained by the server, thus you incur the overhead of transporting through whatever client-server communications mechanism you are using. Is it possible for you to maintain your source images in pixmaps? These are maintained by the server, so copying them into a window is much cheaper. Also make sure you are not sending any unnecessary XSyncs, or running in XSynchonize mode. -- -paul pmartz@dsd.es.com Evans & Sutherland ";-1;0 "From: jobin@server.uwindsor.ca (Scarecrow) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada Lines: 37 seningen@maserati.ross.com (Mike Seningen) > 85 Mph speedos -- esp. the electronic ones. > > The digital dash of the 87 cougars with the large analog clock in > the middle of the dash -- everything was digital except the stinking clock? The funny thing about the digital dash (87 T-bird) with the 85mph speedo limit was that if you pressed the button to convert to kilometers it would read all the way up to 187kph. At this point the stock anemic 302 would get short of breath. This of course was equivalent to about 116mph (hehe).I bet I really coulda confused this thing if I'd toyed with the engine and rolled the stupid thing (the digits were limited to 199). I've gotta agree with ya on the analog clock w/digital dash though. My girlfriend had a '85 TurboCoupe with a digital clock and analog gauges/radio. Go figure... usenet@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Usenet Administrator) > I love the keyless entry on my T-Bird; it's great for those times that > I had to stop to put air in my tires. I could get out and lock the door > with the engine running while I ran around to air up the tire. It also I had a great feature on my T-bird.... I could pull the key out and leave the ignition on. This scared the hell out of me the first time it happened but I kinda grew to like it. Musta been a bad key copy or something. Mark Novakovic ----- ""There is no god up in the sky tonight __ _ no sign of heaven anywhere in sight"" -nin /_/\/\ ""Jesus loves ya. Blow me."" _ _ __ _ _ \_\ / -- In tribute to my former / \/ \ /||\ / \|\ / \\ / /_/ \ area supervisor Jim Bonneau \ / / || \__/ | \/ \\ / \_\/\ \ and the infamous Bonneau Math \\ /__||_/ \ |_/\ / \ / / \_\/ (demoted not departed) \_/ \_// || \__ \_/| \ \_/ \/ \/ Ministry ";-1;0 "From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) Subject: Quadra Clock Chipping Works Organization: University of Washington Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Summary: Quadra Clock Chip Swap Success Keywords: Quadra,clock,accelerate After reading reports from Germany of success in accelerating a Quadra or Centris simply by changing the clock oscillator, I decided to test the claim. I pulled out my Variable Speed Overdrive and the motherboard's 50 mhz clock chip. I put a socket in the clock's place and inserted a 64 mhz TTL clock oscillator I had left over from working on some SI's. I can't believe it. It actually works. I'm not getting SCSI timing errors either. This is only after a short run time but I'll keep posting results. Did I spend all that money on the VSO for nothing? If this keeps working, the lack of a double boot in itself will be worth the effort. Guy Kuo ";-1;0 "From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 7 In article <120399@netnews.upenn.edu> sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) writes: Thanks Alan, that was well thought out. Even written in an entertaining style. ";-1;0 "From: lohia@apple.com (Raj Lohia) Subject: 1.2GB DISK for SALE!!! Distribution: usa Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA Lines: 10 I have a 1.2GB full size Seagate SCSI2 disk for sale. Model No. is ST41200N This is a brand new disk, never been used or formatted. Send me your offer at lohia@bharat.aux.apple.com -Raj ";-1;0 "From: sra@idx.com Subject: Help w/ Greenleaf CommLib 4.0? Organization: IDX Corporation, S. Burlington, VT Lines: 8 Has anyone had experience with the new Greenleaf CommLib 4.0? I can't even get their demo winterm to run at 4800 baud without dropping characters. tnx, steve /------------------------------------------------------------------------\ > Steve Alpert (W1GGN) IDX Systems Corp. Boston, Massachusetts < \--------------------------- sra @ idx.com ------------------------------/ ";6;1 "Subject: items for sale [must sell] From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu Lines: 62 Items for sale..... This package was bought throught a award give-away company. I attempted to cancel my order before I received the package, but I was too late and the company refused to take the package back for refund. I know the truth which I would never get my $697 back, but I wish to get my money back as close as possible. Here is the describtion of the package... Nishika 3D camera It takes very good picture, never been opended or used. It came with wide angle flesh, carring case, film, and a instruction video. It has four lens and created a 3D effect on a regular 35mm film. Jewelry It came with the package as additional gift. Bahama vacation voucher The voucher is good for two RT airfare to Freeport. The users get a special hotel rate of $27 per-person per-night. Meals, ground transfer, hotel tax is _not_ included. Las Vegas, Reno, Orlando The voucher provides one RT airfare, and hotel accomodation for 3 days/ 2 nights. Meals, ground transfer, hotel tax is not included. The voucher is good for all 3 locations, but you can't travel to all 3 places at once. Cancun, Mexico The voucher provides one RT airfare, and hotel accomodation for 3 days / 2 nights. Meals and ground transfer, hotel tax is not included as usual. I paid $697 for the whole package. So try not to be cold-blooded when you make your offer. Details would be provided by request. I do wish to sell the whole package at once. So if you are just looking for the vacation vouchers, I don't care if you sell the camera to other for a higher pric If you are interested in the camera, you could treat the vacation vouchers as gift. If you receive a letter in your mail box which says that you are selected to be part of the sweeptake and you have at least one out of five awards. Trust me, you would get the exactly the same package as I did. There is only one award which will be given away. So don't bother even to call them back, if you are really interested, you could get it from me for a cheaper price. And you could receive the package within a week ( I waited three months to get my first and final packages). Also, they would ask for your credit card number and you have to pay for the interest to the credit card company. So why spend more than you should when you could get them from me for a cheaper price. If you are interested, please reply to me as soon as posible. I really wish to get this over with. Make me an offer, if I am confortable with your offer, I would send the package by U.P.S. the next day morning. More details could be given if you wish. Please contact me at koutd@hirama.hiram.edu Douglas Kou Hiram College e-mail address--- koutd@hirama.hiram.edu ";8;1 "From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera Lines: 28 Distribution: world Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu In article <1993Apr15.173902.66278@cc.usu.edu>, slyx0@cc.usu.edu writes: =Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One =slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know =he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized =swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that, =however, because that's not written in their little rule book. Of course, bee venom isn't a single chemical. Could be your brother is reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock in other people. Similarly, Chinese food isn't just MSG. There are a lot of other ingredients in it. Why, when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they don't normally consume, one of which happens to be MSG, do they immediately conclude that any negative reaction is to the MSG? =I would not be surprised in the least to find out the SOME people have bad =reactions to MSG, including headaches, stomachaches and even vomiting. I'd be surprised if some of these reactions weren't due to other ingredients. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. ";-1;0 "From: A.D.Bailey@lut.ac.uk Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Reply-To: A.D.Bailey@lut.ac.uk (Adrian D.Bailey) Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr20.085638.29338@news.uit.no> sp@odin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Svein Pedersen) writes: >I nead a utility for updating (deleting, adding, changing) *.ini files for Windows. > >Do I find it on any FTP host? > >Svein > In Windows 3.0 there is a built-in called sysedit.exe that is just what you need. Windows 3.1 I don't know...... ";-1;0 "From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: Hell Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 22 Quoth the Moderator: >I have to say that I some qualms about giving you this explanation, >because it raises additional problems: If God is the source of all >existence, then a complete separation from him would make existence >itself impossible. So, does God maintain just enough connection with >those who are rejected to keep them in existence so he can punish >them? In a short poem (""God in His mercy made / the fixed pains of Hell""), C. S. Lewis expresses an idea that I'm sure was current among others, but I haven't be able to find its source: that even Hell is an expression of mercy, because God limits the amount of separation from Him, and hence the amount of agony, that one can achieve. -- :- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* :- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< ";17;1 "Subject: Re: Traffic morons From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) Distribution: world Organization: Winona State University Nntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu Lines: 28 In article <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>, ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote: > > NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) > NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks > > NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to > NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was > NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I > NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the > NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why). > > NMM>Did I do the right thing? imho, you did the wrong thing. You could have been shot or he could have run over your bike or just beat the shit out of you. Consider that the person is foolish enough to drive like a fool and may very well _act_ like one, too. Just get the heck away from the idiot. IF the driver does something clearly illegal, you _can_ file a citizens arrest and drag that person into court. It's a hassle for you but a major hassle for the perp. ==================================================== John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona All standard disclaimers apply. ";-1;0 "From: mfraser@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark Fraser) Subject: IRQ Limits - Help Organization: Wimsey Information Services Distribution: na Lines: 23 I would like advice on how to configure my 486 to accept: - Com1 + Com2 (currently on IRQ 4 and 3) - LPT1 (IRQ7) - Bus Mouse (IRQ5) - Sound Card (no idea what to do - can be set to any) - using IRQ2 for Bus MOuse gobbled up too many cycles, and caused loss of communications with floppy disks, and a few other problems. I could, I suppose, switch the 2 com devices externally, and disable the second port on the Super IO card, but I really want to have them both available. COuld the sound card use IRQ2 without horsing up the works? All replies apppreciated - and I only just subscribed to this newsgroup - I assume there is an FAQ somewhere (rather, I'm sure someone will tell me about it....) thanks Mark Fraser ";-1;0 "From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) Subject: Re: Expansion Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK Lines: 33 In article patrick@blanco.owlnet.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes: >On Fri, 2 Apr 1993 22:05:16 GMT, vamwendt@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Michael Wendt) said >>16. Albany (New York), Boise (Idaho)--A couple of cities with fair interest >>but size and closeness to other teams is a question. >Albany has their AHL franchise (though it goes by the Capital District label), >but Boise? Forget it. The CHL made an attempt at that part of the country in >1983-84, with a franchise in Great Falls -- and no one showed up. Folks up in >that part of the PNW just aren't interested in hockey. Hey Patrick, the Montana Magic played in Billings, not Great Falls... >--PLH, I know where I'd put the next two NHL expansion teams: Phoenix and >Houston, assuming the Whalers don't pack up and move in the meantime... Marc, Phoenix and Houston it is... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _ _ _____ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ - - /____/ ............................................................................... Marc Foster, r.s.h contact for the Oklahoma City Blazers, 1993 Central Hockey University of Oklahoma Geography Department League Adams Cup Internet: mfoster@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu Champions mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu To be placed on the CHL Mailing List, send email to either address above. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard? Organization: Florida State University Lines: 63 seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes: > Since the_day_upon_which_most_Christians_celebrate_the_resurrection_of_Jesus > is approaching, I thought I would comment on this: > > In article dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) writes: > > > What is the objection to celebration of Easter? It is celebration of the > resurrection of Jesus. I don't recall a command in Scripture for us to > celebrate the resurrection, but it is the sole and only reason that we > are Christians--how could we not celebrate it? If it is only the name Not quite correct. Biblical teaching expects us to celebrate the resurrection of Christ not once a year but every time someone is baptized. Col. 2:12-Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."" Rom. 6:4-Therefore we are buried with him in baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."" Those really want to celebrate the resurrection should by faith walk in newness of life after baptism. It is not necessary to celebrate a pagan goddess in the process. > > So, as we see from Scripture, those who are of Israel will observe > >the 7th Day *FOREVER*. The Gentiles who believe in the Messiah of Israel > >are welcome to observe the 7th Day as well, but it is not required of them > >since the are adopted into the Commonwealth of Israel. The Gentiles who > >are grafted into the Commonwealth of Israel are only required to observe > >the basic commands given to those who came before Abram (see also Acts > >15). No further requirements are placed upon them once they come to faith > >in Messiah. > > > So from this I infer that there are different rules for Christians of Jewish > descent? What happened to ""there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, > male nor female, for all are one in Christ Jesus""? Jewish Christians/Messianics > may find certain forms of worship and certain disciplines meaningful because > of their cultural background, but I have a hard time understanding the > justification for applying rules or commandments to those who have been > justified by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. > Paul answered your question in Romans 9. In v. 4 he stated that the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises were given to the Israelites. It is a package deal. He goes on to identify those who are true Israelites. Vs 6-8 makes it plain that the true Israelites are not those who are born that way but those who accept the promise of God. Paul continued to emphasize that he was an Israelite in 2 Cor. 11:22, then in Gal 3:29 he says that all those who belong to Christ are Abraham's seed, and heirs to all the promises given to the Israelites. The promises come with the law. It is all or nothing. Why is it that you only want to discard one part of the law? Certainly you would want your husband to be faithful to you. Or do you believe that adultery is no longer forbidden? Same law. BTW please give a reference for your statement that the Gentiles are only required to observe the basis commandmants. Could you list those please. Acts 15 deals with circumcision and the law of Moses which was added because of transgression of God's eternal law (Gal 3:19; Rom 4:15) ++++++++++++ Darius A. Lecointe | I got my BA when I was Born Again Department of Educational Research | And my MA when I was Made Anew Florida State University | Now I'm getting my PhD as I become Tel: (904) 644-0706 | A Patient, Humble, Disciple. E-mail: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu ";-1;0 "From: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu Subject: Re: WORD 2.0 HELP! Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 17 Reply-To: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu In article <1qmf6l$euh@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook) writes: >From article <0096B11B.08A283A0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, by 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu: >> Can anyone tell me if and how they have printed Spanish characters? I know WP 5.1 has this built-in, but I do not recall ever seeing this option on WFW2. HELP! > >Try using the extended character set (Alt-#### sequences) . . >look in Character Map in the Accessories group and see the alt-sequence >for the font you want! > Thanks, I think I've figured it out now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robert S. Dubinski | Aliases include: Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Marquette University ||||||||||| Math / Computer Science Double-Major| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu | Milwaukee, WI | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org (Jeff 'Frog' Campbell) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: Comp3, Inc. Lines: 28 From article , by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers): > In article <1098@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes: >>cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes: > >>]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho. > >>I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling... > > Yes, but the 535i was just a tad out of my price range... > > > ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the > Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end > of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath? I seem to slice the pinkie > of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!). > > Ride safe, send me your old MOA rags, y'all, > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Cliff Weston DoD# 0598 '92 Seca II | > | | > | I thought it might be cool to have the whole bike done in powder coat, | > | like maybe a black undercoat with neon splatter, or something. | > | -- Brian W Simmons | > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm). -- *** Jeff Campbell N8WXS '76 R75/6 70010,160 frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org *** ";-1;0 "From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) Subject: Re: THE POPE IS JEWISH! Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century Lines: 47 west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: >The pope is jewish.... I guess they're right, and I always thought that >the thing on his head was just a fancy hat, not a Jewish headpiece (I >don't remember the name). It's all so clear now (clear as mud.) As to what that headpiece is.... (by chort@crl.nmsu.edu) SOURCE: AP NEWSWIRE The Vatican, Home Of Genetic Misfits? Michael A. Gillow, noted geneticist, has revealed some unusual data after working undercover in the Vatican for the past 18 years. ""The Popehat(tm) is actually an advanced bone spur."", reveals Gillow in his groundshaking report. Gillow, who had secretly studied the innermost workings of the Vatican since returning from Vietnam in a wheel chair, first approached the scientific community with his theory in the late 1950's. ""The whole hat thing, that was just a cover up. The Vatican didn't want the Catholic Community(tm) to realize their leader was hefting nearly 8 kilograms of extraneous bone tissue on the top of his skull."", notes Gillow in his report. ""There are whole laboratories in the Vatican that experiment with tissue transplants and bone marrow experiments. What started as a genetic fluke in the mid 1400's is now scientifically engineered and bred for. The whole bone transplant idea started in the mid sixties inspired by doctor Timothy Leary transplanting deer bone cells into small white rats."" Gillow is quick to point out the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II and the disappearance of Dr. Leary from the public eye. ""When it becomes time to replace the pope"", says Gillow, ""The old pope and the replacement pope are locked in a padded chamber. They butt heads much like male yaks fighting for dominance of the herd. The victor emerges and has earned the privilege of inseminating the choir boys."" P. -- moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza ";9;1 "From: jr0930@eve.albany.edu (DIAMOND) Subject: Simple Windows question Organization: State University of New York at Albany Lines: 15 Ok, here's a nice easy question for all you out there. When running DOS 5.0 under Windows 3.0, I lose the ability to do a print-screen. I have no problem with this when I'm running DOS not under Windows. If it's relavant, I'm using 'Quarterdeck 6.0' expanded memory manager for my 386. Please e-mail any responses, since I don't get to read the news too often. Thanks in advance. -- ||||||||||| ||||||||||| _|||||||||||_______________________|||||||||||_ jr0930@eve.albany.edu -|||||||||||-----------------------|||||||||||- jr0930@Albnyvms.bitnet ||||||||||| GO HEAVY OR GO HOME ||||||||||| ";-1;0 "From: awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu (awesley) Subject: Re: That silly outdated Bill (was Re: Koresh and Miranda) Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. Lines: 115 NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) writes: : The issue has never been whether tanks were used in Detroit in 1967. It : has been whether they fired their main guns. Never? This is incorrect. Either you don't read very well or resort to falsehoods in an attempt to make a point. At the risk of boring and belaboring the point, my claim was the chain was regarding the tanks ""last used in Detroit in 48"". The text follows. : You did not merely claim that : tanks were used--you claimed that they fired their main guns to suppress : sniper fire and that they were ""quite"" effective at this. Indeed, when Coffman claimed they were only used as APCs, I did say I had been told they did fire their main guns. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : You continue to : back away from this claim and defend something else that nobody is : disputing. Well, the poster who I responded to did dispute the use of tanks post-48. Rude of you to call Gary Coffman a nobody. : ""Well, it's not the main gun."" Gee, that's only the entire point. Are you : now going to admit that you were wrong? That was the entire point to *you*. What exactly did I claim? -------------------------------------------------- ""I've heard eye-witness descriptions of tanks using their main guns to respond to sniper fire. Quite effectively."" -------------------------------------------------- I wasn't wrong . . . I've heard those descriptions. If you're paying attention, I've mentioned that I saw the tanks with my own eyes, but the main gun firing was an account I heard. That helps people judge whether or not to kick in the, to use your words, ""bullshit filters"". Stating that I *claimed* this is a falsehood. What was it I claimed as fact? Here's the entire post: -------------------------------------------------- >We haven't used tanks against the black ghettos since Detroit 1948. Correction. I know they used tanks in Detroit 1968. I saw em, it was well covered in the news at that time. Gordon Lightfoot mentions it in his song ""Black Day in July"". -------------------------------------------------- Since you don't dispute that and claim that nobody else does, that means I was right. : I will never read of tanks firing their main guns in Detroit in the '67 : riots. There is simply no way that such an event could have taken place : without it being common knowledge even 26 years later. The American : military firing shells from tanks in American cities on blacks would have : been *big* news. So one would suppose. Some folks think in happened in 48. Awesley goes on: You can also read of the troops using grenade launchers. : To fire fragmentary grenades? I doubt that as well. To fire concussion : grenades? Perhaps. To fire tear gas? Certainly. But you would be : perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags, wouldn't you, since : it makes your other claim seem more plausible. John, again, strawman techniques. Do you feel you're losing it so you have to stretch what I said and knock that down? What I read said nothing about what they fired. And so I put nothing in there. If you need some help, let me know and I'l take your side of this for a while. You're not scoring here, you're boring here. : If tanks had fired their main guns in Detroit, people would have been : screaming about it for the past two and half decades. I would know about : it. Glad to know you're such an expert. Nice to hear some an authority. I especially appreciate your basis of knowledge -- if it had happened, you would have know it. Since you are such an authority, you probably know that people did scream about an alleged massive cover-up in the number of people killed in the Detroit riot. Some claimed 100+ dead, others said 300. The offical number is 43 but the Concise Columbia Encyclopedia says it was ""several"". I've also heard some things about that but I won't dare repeat them. You'd assert that I claimed they were truth. : Unless you also claim that the National Guard managed to cover it up. Taking the tour after the riots, it was pretty easy to tell the difference between Army and Guard troops. Or so I recall from 26 years ago. And I seem to recall it was the Army running the tanks. So it would have been an Army cover-up. Another part of my memories was that while most damaged building were burnt, some were in rubble. Based on what I remember, I was and am inclined to believe an old sarge or two. : If your mind is open enough to believe that, well, good for you. I prefer : to live in reality. And here in reality, I find it hard to believe that : those tanks even had any shells, much less fired them. Given the level in destruction in Detroit, I'm quite willing to believe that they did fire their guns. Now then, we've bored the shit out of anyone whose bothered to read this far and all you've managed to say is that you don't believe the account I cited. : --John L. Scott -- wes ";-1;0 "From: oehler@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Wonko the Sane) Subject: 48-bit graphics... Keywords: 48-bit alpha channel IMAGE Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 15 I was recently talking to a possible employer ( mine! :-) ) and he made a reference to a 48-bit graphics computer/image processing system. I seem to remember it being called IMAGE or something akin to that. Anyway, he claimed it had 48-bit color + a 12-bit alpha channel. That's 60 bits of info--what could that possibly be for? Specifically the 48-bit color? That's 280 trillion colors, many more than the human eye can resolve. Is this an anti-aliasing thing? Or is this just some magic number to make it work better with a certain processor. Also, to settle a bet with my roommate, what are SGI's flagship products? I know of Iris, Indigo, and Crimson, but what are the other ones, and which is their top-of-the-line? (sadly, I have access to none of them. Just a DEC 5000/25. Sigh.) Eric Oehler oehler@picard.cs.wisc.edu ";-1;0 "From: fombaron@ufrima.imag.fr (FOMBARON marc) Subject: 3d-Studio V2.01 : Any differences with previous version Keywords: 3d studio 2.01 Nntp-Posting-Host: boole-imag Organization: University of Grenoble (France) Lines: 9 Are there significant differences between V2.01 and V2.00 ? Thank you for helping Marc. -- _/_/ _/_/ e-mail : Marc.Fombaron@ufrima.imag.fr _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ Marc Fombaron. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Grenoble. ";-1;0 "From: Rick Miller - former spook Subject: Alternate *legal* wiretaps. Organization: Just me. Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33 Summary: Nothing spooky, it's an Executive Order. tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe writes: [...] > It would be a strong incentive, as Vesselin points out, for more >police agencies to ""go rogue"" and try to get keys through more efficient >(but less Constitutional) means. Notice what the release said: > > Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on > a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation > encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to > decipher the message? > > A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a > ^^^^^^^^^^ > court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. > ^^^^^^^^^^^ >The clear implication is that there are ""legal"" authorizations other >than a court order. Just how leaky are these? (And who >knows what's in those 7 pages that authorized the NSA?). There [...] I was a cryptologic tech in the US Navy (CTRSN, nothing big). All 'spooks' in the Navy are required to know the ""gist"" of ""USSID 18"", the Navy-way of naming a particular Presidential ""Executive Order"". It outlines what spooks can and can't do with respect to the privacy of US nationals. The following information is (of course) UNCLASSIFIED. The whole issue hangs about what you mean by ""wiretap"". If the signal can be detected by ""non-intrusive"" means (like radio listening), then it may be recorded and it may be ""analyzed"". ""Analyzed"" means that it may be either deciphered and/or radio-location may be used to locate the transmitter. The catch is this: Any and all record of the signal and its derivatives may only be kept for a maximum of 90 days, after which they are destroyed unless permission is obtained from the US Attorney General to keep them. Didn't you ever wonder how Coast Guard cutters *find* those drug-runners in all those tens of thousands of square miles of sea, even in the dark?!? Rick Miller | Ricxjo Muelisto Send a postcard, get one back! | Enposxtigu bildkarton kaj vi ricevos alion! RICK MILLER // 16203 WOODS // MUSKEGO, WIS. 53150 // USA ";-1;0 "From: Anna Matyas Subject: Re: ABC coverage Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 25 Distribution: usa <1993Apr20.173536.7678@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr20.173536.7678@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> Gerald Olchowy writes: >Clement, although he has a pleasant personality (aggravatingly pleasant >in my opinion), is a terrible >analyst, because he is almost alway wrong...the prototypical example >being New Jersey's first goal last Sunday. > >I grew up with Dick Irvin doing color beside Danny Gallivan...I knew >did Irvin, Dick Irvin was a friend of mine...Bill Clement you aren't >any Dick Irvin. > >As long as the teams involved do not include the US national team or >the New York Rangers, I'd take John Davidson over Bill Clement any day. Personality means something to me. That is exactly why I like Clement (and Emrick). On the other hand, JD is a pompous, bull-headed, arrogant know-it-all. He's a real turn-off (which is exactly what I do when he's on). One complaint I do have about Clement is that he sometimes talks too much. If I wanted that I'd listen to Tim McGarver doing a baseball game. Mom. ";-1;0 "From: thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Keywords: printer Organization: University of Notre Dame Lines: 64 In article <1993Apr18.041741.6051@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) writes: >From: kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) >Subject: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... >Keywords: printer >Date: 18 Apr 93 04:17:41 GMT >Hello fellow 'netters. >I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I >should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500. I >thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from >relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest >potential. And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls >better than any salesperson. >Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 >dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi). >Which is faster? Is there a noticeable print quality difference, >particularly in graphics? Which will handle large documents better (75 >pages or more) -- any personal experience on either will be appreciated >here? Which works better under Windows 3.1 (any driver problems, etc)? >Cost of memory, font packages, toner cartridges, etc? Basically, your >personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable, >both good and bad. >Advance kudos and thanks for all your input. E-mail or news posting is >readily acceptable, but e-mail is encouraged (limits bandwidth). >-- >Sincerely, >Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu >""In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."" >""You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision > revised?!?!"" All right. Not saying I know any more than the average salesguy, I'll give your question a shot. The key issue that I bought my BJ-200 on was ink drying speed. You really have to try awful hard to get the BJ-200 ink to smear. The HP DeskJets need 10-15 seconds to completely dry. In both cases, however, do not get your pages wet. Unlike laser printers, the material on your pages is INK, not toner. But that should go without saying. My PC has very little memory (only 2Meg RAM), so the BJ-200 takes a little while to print ----- but every application I use takes a while to run. Once the computer is solely printing, it purs like a kitten and puts pages out every 15-30 seconds, depending on how detailed your graphics are. The BJ-200 can do Windows soft fonts. I'm assuming that the DeskJet can, or HP wouldn't sell many...... Size is another factor. The BJ-200 is much smaller, but the HP is built like a tank. I bet the BJ-200 would get damaged first. Finally, the print quality. I LOVE the BJ-200's resolution. It looks like a good laser quality print. The HP's I've used.....they look like ink. Not as impressive. So, I chose the Canon. Any other opinions? ";-1;0 "From: purinton@toyon-next.Stanford.EDU (Joshua Jordan Purinton) Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement Organization: Stanford University Lines: 22 In article <1r3hgqINNdaa@uwm.edu> Rick Miller writes: >jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes: >>marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU) writes: >>Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc. > >Or, the more *likely* explanation is that Marc is spoofing. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I sincerely doubt that Denning and crew are keen enough to react that >quickly, and I doubt they'd want to cripple their SMTP server t'boot. > Marc is not spoofing. Try it yourself. At least, the commands work exactly as he described (i.e. they do not work.) - Josh. -- No pattern, content or thing is the being who looks out from each pair of eyes. And only that is important. - E. T. Gendlin ";-1;0 "From: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon) Subject: Re: Ottawa/Montreal/Philly trade Article-I.D.: oz.1993Apr6.023843.9689 Reply-To: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon) Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H. Lines: 13 Here we go again. Is this the same idiot who posted the Gretzky trade to Toronto???? Sheeeesh! You should have waited until we got over that one before this garbage, maybe we would have believed it for half a second (NOT!). By the way, I just heard from Mother Goose that Mario Lemieux was traded to Winnpeg for Tie Domi!!!!! Randy PSC (I know noone has heard of it, it's a tiny college in Hicksville New Hampshire. Plymouth State College) ";-1;0 "From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) Subject: Re: Help! Which bikes are short? Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 23 In rec.motorcycles, bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes: >Help! I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle. This is great! >Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28"" seat. This is not great. So far, >the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440. I had a kz440 and thought it was the best $100 bike I've ever ridden. And mind you, I've ridden many bikes. >I seem to remember a thread with a point similar to this passing through >several months ago. Did anybody keep that list? You must be mistaken. No thread in this group has ever had a point. Seriously, there are many 'short' bikes out there. What style bike and how much money does she have. My SO is 5'3"" and rides her CB1 or my hawk GT with ease. Most cruisers are low slung. YSR50's are real short too. <================================================> / Rich Sturges (h) 703-536-4443 \ / NSWC - Carderock Division (w) 301-227-1670 \ / ""I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."" \ <========================================================> ";-1;0 "From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) Subject: header paint Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: relva.rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 8 it seems the 200 miles of trailering in the rain has rusted my bike's headers. the metal underneath is solid, but i need to sand off the rust coating and repaint the pipes black. any recommendations for paint and application of said paint? thanks! axel ";-1;0 "From: catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone) Subject: Re: 80486DX-50 vs 80486DX2-50 Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: compstat.wharton.upenn.edu In-reply-to: hamilton@golem.wcc.govt.nz's message of 13 Apr 93 01:34:36 GMT In article <1qd5bcINNmep@golem.wcc.govt.nz> hamilton@golem.wcc.govt.nz (Michael Hamilton) writes: Do you really need to switch to a DX2/66 instead of a DX50? As I understand it, DX50's can have local bus devices (on the mother-board?) but not local bus slots. And according to what I been told, many systems go beyond the VESA local bus standard in order to provide DX50 systems with a local bus slot capability. I have definitly seen a mother board with 2 local bus slots which claimed to be able to support any CPU, including the DX2/66 and DX50. Can someone throw some more informed light on this issue? You will need to check with peripheral makers to see if their boards will work at 50 MHz. Some will with some motherboards. - Tony catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu ";-1;0 "From: hagberg@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (HAGBERG JR, D. J.) Subject: Clipper and Ranting Libertarians Keywords: clipper clinton rant rave libertarians Distribution: usa,local Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: violet.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 I would think that you could reduce the defense of using non-clipper based encryption technologies to defending freedom of expression (IE, free speech). That you have to right to express whatever you want in whatever form your little heart desires so long as you do not impinge on the rights of others. Encrypted text/sound/video is just another form of expression of that particular text/sound/video. Just like digitized sound is another means of expression of sound -- streams of 100100101111 instead of continuous waveforms. Also, it shouldn't be up to the government at all. Encryption _Standards_ can be decided upon by Independent Standards Orgainizations (apologies for the acronym). One can note how well this has worked with ISO and the Metric System, SAE, etc. Independent entities or consortia of people/industries in that particular area are far more qualified to set standards than any One government agency. Consider for example what the Ascii character set would have looked like if it was decided by the government. I hope this helps folks to formulate their defenses. I'm still working on mine and hope to be faxing my congressmen soon... -=- D. J. Hagberg -=- hagberg@ccit.arizona.edu -=- finger ^ for Info and PGP Public Key ";16;1 "From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Re: Could this be a migraine???? Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 16 GB> From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) GB> The HMO would stop the over-ordering, but in HMOs, tests are GB> under-ordered. That's a somewhat overbroad statement. I'm sure there are HMOs in which the fees for lab tests are subtracted from the doctor's income. In most, however, including the one I work for, there is no direct incentive to under-order. Profits of the group are shared among all partners, but the group is so large that an individual's generated costs have a miniscule effect. I don't believe that we under-order. Then again, I'm not really sure what the right amount of ordering is or should be. Relative to the average British neurologist, I suspect that I rather drastically over-order. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) ";-1;0 "From: hugo@hydra.unm.edu (patrice cummings) Subject: polygon orientation in DXF? Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.unm.edu Hi. I'm writing a program to convert .dxf files to a database format used by a 3D graphics program I've written. My program stores the points of a polygon in CCW order. I've used 3D Concepts a little and it seems that the points are stored in the order they are drawn. Does the DXF format have a way of indicating which order the points are stored in, CW or CCW? Its easy enough to convert, but if I don't know which way they are stored, I dont know which direction the polygon should be visible from. If DXF doesn't handle this, can anyone recommend a workaround? The best I can think of is to create two polygons for each one in the DXF file, one stored CW and the other CCW. But that doubles the number of polygons and decreases speed... Thanks in advance for any help, Patrice hugo@hydra.unm.edu ";1;1 "From: grahamt@phantom.gatech.edu (Graham E. Thomas) Subject: Re: BLAST to the past! Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu amh2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALOIS M. HIMSL) writes: >be worthwhile? Or how about something like the old MGB with new technology? >Just think about it - the old style with upgraded safety features and perhaps a >natural gas operated engine for less than 10K. I think it would go over well. >What is your opinion?????? >Al H Well, the MGB is currently in production for the English market, built by Rover. It now has a V8, improved suspention, and a slightly updated body. Too bad it's only available in GB and would set one of us back about $42,000+. -- Graham E. Thomas * blah blah blah blah blah Georgia Institute of Technology * blah blah blah blah blah Internet: grahamt@oit.gatech.edu * blah blah blah blah blah ";10;1 "From: gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic) Subject: Re: Pens playoff radio coverage (was:Re: Radio stations) Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 42 In article , lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) wrote: > According to this morning's Post-Gazette: > > The Pens will be carried by KDKA-Radio(1020 am), unless the Pirates > are playing. When the Pirates play, the games will be carried by > WDVE(102.5 fm). WDVE will carry 12 games, starting with tonight's > game. > > In fact, after this season, KDKA will no longer be the flagship > station for the Pens. The Penguins and KBL have struck a new > deal regarding the TV and radio rights to the games. It seems > more than likely that WDVE will be the flagship radio station next > season. KBL will carry 62 games on tv, with 17 of the games to be > simulcast on KDKA-TV. The remaining 22 games, as well as some of the > early round playoff games, will be available by ""subscription tv"" only. > To receive the games, you'll have to pay a one time hook up fee, and > then a monthly fee of $11-12 dollars. > > Also, under the new deal, there will no longer be radio/tv > simulcasts. There will be a TV broadcast team, and a radio > broadcast team. > > No word on who the announcers will be. Mike Lange and Paul Steigerwald > are both under contract with KDKA, but their contracts expire at the > end of this season. KBL President Bill Craig said he'd like to hire > Lange and Steigerwald. > > Lori > Contact for the Penguins > lli+@cs.cmu.edu NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Who's the mindscheme(?) behind this one -- Ted Simmons? As the saying goes, ""If it ain't broke, don't fix it."" I'm 230 miles from home (during the school year) and will never be able to pick up DVE. At least now I can sort of make out what Mike and Steigy say through all the static on KDKA. This just may be enough reason for me to transfer to Duquesne and live at home. Who's going to announce on DVE anyway? Paulson and Krenn? (Just kidding.) George ";-1;0 "From: chorley@vms.ocom.okstate.edu Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? Lines: 43 Nntp-Posting-Host: vms.ocom.okstate.edu Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine In article , geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: > In article jag@ampex.com (Rayaz Jagani) writes: > >> >>From Miranda Castro, _The Complete Homeopathy Handbook_, >>ISBN 0-312-06320-2, oringinally published in Britain in 1990. >> >>From Page 10, >>.. and in 1946, when the National Health Service was established, >>homeopathy was included as an officially approved method >>of treatment. > > I was there in 1976. I suppose it must have died out since 1946, > then. Certainly I never heard of any homeopaths or herbalists in > the employ of the NHS. Perhaps the law codified it but the authorities > refused to hire any homeopaths. A similar law in the US allows > chiropractors to practice in VA hospitals but I've never seen one > there and I don't know of a single VA that has hired a chiropractor. > There are a lot of Britons on the net, so someone should be able to > tell us if the NHS provides homeopaths for you. > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't think they provide homeopaths, heck the heir apparent was trying to promote Osteopaths to the ranks of eligibility a couple of years back... It pleased my family no end, since I'm at an Osteopathic school, sort of validated it for them...then I told them that the name was the same but the practice was different....oh. If you're seeking validation for your philosophy on the strength of the national health service adopting it, I suggest that you are not very sure of the validity of your philosophy. I believe in 1946, the NHS was still having its nurses taught the fine art of ""cupping"", which is the vacuum extraction of intradermal fluids by means of heating a cup, placing it on the afflicted site and allowing it to cool. I wouldn't take my sick daughter to a homeopath. David N. Chorley *************************************************************************** Yikes, I'm agreeing with Gordon Banks ************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "Subject: help for school From: mcrandall@eagle.wesleyan.edu Organization: Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu Lines: 14 I am a newbie to the net, and I am trying to get some information for a paper I am working on to get back into college. If anyone can send me data on Solar coronal holes and recurrant aurora for the past thirty years it would be a big help. Or, if you have information on more esoteric things like Telluric current, surge bafflers power companies use, or other effects sporatic aurora have on the Earth's magnetic field, I'd be eternally gratefull. Please send anything interesting to me at Marty Crandall-Grela Van Vleck Observatory Wesleyan University Middletown,Ct 06487 or e-mail it to me at mcrandall@eagle.wesleyan.edu Thank-you in advance, Marty ";-1;0 "From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 38 {Dan Johnson asked for evidence that the most effective abuse recovery programs involve meeting people's spiritual needs. I responded: In 12-step programs (like Alcoholics Anonymous), one of the steps involves acknowleding a ""higher power"". AA and other 12-step abuse- recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective.} Dan Johnson clarified: >What I was asking is this: > >Please show me that the most effective substance-absure recovery >programs involve meetinsg peoples' spiritual needs, rather than >merely attempting to fill peoples' spiritual needs as percieved >by the people, A.A, S.R.C. regulars, or snoopy. You are asking me to provide objective proof for the existence of God. I never claimed to be able to do this; in fact I do not believe that it is possible to do so. I consider the existence of God to be a premise or assumption that underlies my philosophy of life. It comes down to a matter of faith. If I weren't a Christian, I would be an agnostic, but I have sufficient subjective evidence to justify and sustain my relationship with God. Again this is a matter of premises and assumptions. I assume that there is more to ""life, the universe and everything"" than materialism; ie that spirituality exists. This assumption answers the question about why I have apparent spiritual needs. I find this assumption consistent with my subsequent observat- ions. I then find that God fills these spiritual needs. But I cannot objectively prove the difference between apparent filling of imagined spiritual needs and real filling of real spiritual needs. Nor can I prove to another person that _they_ have spiritual needs. == Seanna Watson Bell-Northern Research, | Pray that at the end of living, (seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | Of philosophies and creeds, | God will find his people busy Opinion, what opinions? Oh *these* opinions. | Planting trees and sowing seeds. No, they're not BNR's, they're mine. | I knew I'd left them somewhere. | --Fred Kaan ";17;1 "Subject: Rockies and Rangers fans, Please help me From: valentin+@pitt.edu (Shawn V. Hernan) Organization: University of Pittsburgh X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 5 Apr 93 22:34:04 GMT Lines: 12 Greetings baseballers, I have a choice of two more or less identical conferences to attend, one in Denver, and one in Dallas, both May 24-28. Could some kind Rockies or Rangers (they DO play in the Dallas area, right?) fans please let me know if there are home dates for that week. I'd love to catch a game. Thanks, Shawn ";-1;0 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >Natural morality may specifically be thought of as a code of ethics that >>a certain species has developed in order to survive. >Wait. Are we talking about ethics or morals here? Is the distinction important? >>We see this countless >>times in the animal kingdom, and such a ""natural"" system is the basis for >>our own system as well. >Huh? Well, our moral system seems to mimic the natural one, in a number of ways. >>In order for humans to thrive, we seem to need >>to live in groups, >Here's your problem. ""we *SEEM* to need"". What's wrong with the highlighted >word? I don't know. What is wrong? Is it possible for humans to survive for a long time in the wild? Yes, it's possible, but it is difficult. Humans are a social animal, and that is a cause of our success. >>and in order for a group to function effectively, it >>needs some sort of ethical code. >This statement is not correct. Isn't it? Why don't you think so? >>And, by pointing out that a species' conduct serves to propogate itself, >>I am not trying to give you your tautology, but I am trying to show that >>such are examples of moral systems with a goal. Propogation of the species >>is a goal of a natural system of morality. >So anybody who lives in a monagamous relationship is not moral? After all, >in order to ensure propogation of the species, every man should impregnate >as many women as possible. No. As noted earlier, lack of mating (such as abstinence or homosexuality) isn't really destructive to the system. It is a worst neutral. >For that matter, in herds of horses, only the dominate stallion mates. When >he dies/is killed/whatever, the new dominate stallion is the only one who >mates. These seems to be a case of your ""natural system of morality"" trying >to shoot itself in the figurative foot. Again, the mating practices are something to be reexamined... keith ";-1;0 "From: gtalatin@vartivar.ucs.indiana.edu (Gerard V. Talatinian) Subject: Low cost oscilloscopes? Nntp-Posting-Host: vartivar.ucs.indiana.edu Reply-To: gtalatin@ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 12 I am looking at buying a low cost (< $500) scope for general purpose use. Any recommendations? Is this info in a faq somewhere? Any pointers appreciated. Thanks, -Gerard. ****************************************************************** * Gerard Talatinian | * * Network Systems | gtalatin@ucs.indiana.edu * * University Computing Services | FAX: (812) 855-8299 * * Indiana University | Voice: (812) 855-0962 * ****************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: cwikla@morrison.wri.com (John Cwikla) Subject: Pixmaps and colormaps sent through selections... Summary: Selections and Pixmaps/Colormaps Keywords: Selections Nntp-Posting-Host: morrison.wri.com Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. Lines: 18 I want to be able to send a Pixmap from one client to the next. Along with this I want to send the Colormap and foreground and background pixel values. So far not a problem, I can do this with no problem. However, once I have the Pixmap id and the Colormap id, how do I go about telling the server that the second (receiving) client now wants to have associations with the two id's? TIA, John -- o John L. Cwikla o o o X Programmer o X was never the first o o Wolfram Research, Inc. o letter of the alphabet o o cwikla@wri.com (217) 398-0700 o o ";-1;0 "From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Article-I.D.: optilink.15209 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 42 In article , s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: > In article <15150@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > >In article , drakon@shell.portal.com (Harry Benjamin Gibson) writes: # #They believe that they have a right to FORCE people to hire them, # #rent to them, and do business with them, regardless of the feelings # #or beliefs of the other person. # # Cramer, you are off your target again. The law *forces* no one to obey # it. At every point any individual may stand up and say *this law # sucks*. Even you could say this. Gay men and women have not *forced* You mean they passed a law that does nothing at all? No enforcement mechanisms? As usual, you are wrong. # any off this. Changes in the law have been brought about by # democratic* processes, those same processes are the ones that protect # you from certain abuses. Yeah, right. I guess the next time a homosexual complains about sodomy laws, I can just echo your stupidity about ""democratic processes"" and he won't have any basis for complaint. # #I must admit that I never understood why it is referred to as an # #abomination, until I started to read soc.motss, and started finding # #evidence that homosexuality is a response to child molestation -- # #which is disproportionately done by homosexuals. (Just to make # #Brian Kane happy -- 30% of molestation is done by homosexuals and # #bisexuals, but it is possible that this is because homosexual/bisexual # #molesters have far more victims than heterosexual molesters.) # # No it isn't. No it isn't. No it isn't and it depends on the subset # (note *subset*) of abuse you look at. Repeating it three times makes it more correct? # #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! # #Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. # # * Xavier Gallagher*************************** Play *************************** -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. ";-1;0 "From: isifisher@aol.com Subject: FAX VIA E-MAIL Article-I.D.: aol.9304060119.tn29392 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 57 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Finally a fax service to all Internet users in the continental U.S. without prepayment of any kind. This service is provided by Information System International based in Fishers, Indiana at isifisher@aol.com. As an Internet user, your credit has been automatically approved. So you can start sending faxes RIGHT NOW. 1. How to send a fax To use this service, e-mail to: isifisher@aol.com in the following format: -Your name -Your phone number -Your mailing address - the number you send fax to - the recipient's name and company - the address and phone number of the recipient (optional) ===================================== - fax content Your fax will be sent out within 24 hours. Every fax will include a standard cover sheet free of charge which contains: (1) your name; (2) your phone number; (3) your address; (4) the recipient's name and company. Upon sending out your fax, a receipt will be sent for your record. IMPORTANT: If this is your first time to use the fax service, you MUST include the following paragraph at the beginning of your e-mail: I hereby authorize Information System International to open a fax account for me. I agree to pay all charges incurred upon receiving my monthly bill.. 2. What format is acceptable Only plain ASCII format and Rich Text Format (RTF) are acceptable. (1) For plain ASCII format, Times New Roman fonts of 12-point size will be used. (2) For RTF format, your fax document will appear exactly the same as it would appear on your local laser printer. In almost all word processing software on PC, Mackintosh, Sun workstation, etc., you can save your document in RTF format. 3. How to pay The first time you use our fax service, we will open an account for you under your name. You will be billed each month if you have a balance or when your balance has been over $50.00 - whichever comes first. 4. Cost The cost for continental U.S (excluding Hawaii & Alaska) is only $1.50 for the first page, $0.75 for each additional page. Each fax will include a cover sheet which is free. If you plan to use this service, you should save the entire text posted above. ";-1;0 "From: neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Neil Williams) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 51 larose@austin.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes: >This just a warning to EVERYBODY on the net. Watch out for >folks standing NEXT to the road or on overpasses. They can >cause SERIOUS HARM to you and your car. >(just a cliff-notes version of my story follows) >10pm last night, I was travelling on the interstate here in >knoxville, I was taking an offramp exit to another interstate >and my wife suddenly screamed and something LARGE hit the side >of my truck. We slowed down, but after looking back to see the >vandals standing there, we drove on to the police station. >She did get a good look at the guy and saw him ""cock his arm"" with >something the size of a cinderblock, BUT I never saw him. We are >VERY lucky the truck sits up high on the road; if it would have hit >her window, it would have killed her. >The police are looking for the guy, but in all likelyhood he is gone. >I am a very good driver (knock on wood), but it was night-time and >I never saw the guy. The police said they thought the motive was to >hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US, >and take the truck. >PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS. AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!! >peace. >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >brian larose larose@cs.utk.edu #12, 3103 Essary Rd. Knoxville, TN 37918. >{} As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5 north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and left. A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do? I don't think I'll over forget this story. Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA. . ";-1;0 "From: pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi (Petteri Kortelainen) Subject: expanding to Europe:Dusseldorf Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-17.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr13.091859.29570@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: >I didn't say every team MUST have a number of local players. Rather, the >European teams should get the CHANCE to sign their top players before the rest >of the league comes in. I agree that birthplace isn't that important, >Dusseldorfer EG of the German league average close to 10,000 fans and they >don't have a single German-born forward! Lion Milan made the European Final >Four with fifteen Canadian-born players... But nationality is going to be an >issue in Sweden and Finland, I think. We really need an issue preventing >Lindros and Mario from ending up being drafted by a European team and vice >versa. Player trades are a different matter - any player can end up anywhere >after being drafted. DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena. My Possible-NHL(European league)-site list: Switzerland : Berne, Zurich (Lugano and 1-2 others) Germany : Dusseldorf, Cologne, Berlin, Munich (Mannheim, Rosenheim) Sweden : Stockholm, Gothenburg (Malmo, Gavle) Finland : Helsinki (Turku, Tampere) Italy : Milan France : Paris (Chamonix, Ruoen?) Norway : (Oslo) Austria : (Vienna, Villach) Chech : (Prag) Slovakia : (Bratislava) Russia : (Moscow, St. Petersburg) Great Britain: ? Netherlands : ? Petteri Kortelainen ";-1;0 "From: fishman@panix.com (Harvey Fishman) Subject: Re: electronic parts in NYC? Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 11 There are also a couple or three places on West 45th between Fifth and Sixth. Harvey -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harvey Fishman | fishman@panix.com | You don't get smart except by asking stupid questions. 718-258-7276 | ";-1;0 "From: LLARSEN@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM Subject: Porsche 928 (Bay Area) Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc. Lines: 20 Posting this for a friend Sunnyvale, California 1982 Porsche 928 GTS Package leather interior european handling package sunroof cruise control 88,000k miles new paint Immaculate in every way ********** DELIVERY POSSIBLE TO DESTINATION WITH DEPOSIT ******** $10,000 firm Low book is 11,500 High book is 16,000 Phone (408) 296-4444 Frank Rosqui As new this vehicle was $74,000 This posting does not reflect the opinions of my employer ";8;1 "From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 81 In article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr14.120958.11363@synapse.bms.com>, hambidge@bms.com writes: >> >> The Second Amendment is about sovereignty, not sporting goods. > > Perfectly correct, but it won't make any difference. Hmm. I beg to differ. It will probably make a big difference at some point. > >> Self defense is a valid reason for RKBA. > > The vast majority get through life without ever having to > own, use or display a firearm. Besides, there are other > means of self-protection which can be just as effective > as firearms. Thankfully, it is true that the majority go through life without having to use a firearm. Howver, there are situations where firearms are the most effective means of self protection. What other means do you propose as equally effective? > >> Freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion, necessity, or >> scientific scrutiny. > > New to this planet ? EVERYTHING is dependent on either public > or political opinion, usually political. To imagine that > inalienable 'rights' are somehow wired into the vast cold > cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion. New to this country? New to political theory? Alas, I was speaking of principle. Without principle, all attempts at republican forms of gov't are futile. There are times when public and political opinion are contrary to principle, which is why we have a Constitution which enumerates gov't powers and presumes certain rights. A major reason for this was to prevent a tyranny of the majority. > >> No arguments against RKBA can withstand scientific scrutiny. > > They don't have to. Like so many other things, the issue > is one of -perception- rather than boring statistics. > Every time some young innocent is gunned-down in a drive > by, every time some kid is murdered for a jacket, every > time a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change, > every time some moron kills his wife because she took the > last beer from the fridge, every time someone hears a 'bang' > in the night .... the RKBA dies. The stats are not all *that* > clearly behind firearms - the protection factor does not > strongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor. Given society > as we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of > as many guns as possible. That may be an error, but enough > active voters believe in that course. This is exactly why law should be based on reasoned thought, not immediate perception. Of course, it doesn't always work that way. Fortunately, while there are no guarantees, logic sometimes does prevail. And, if not, there are still means for correction. As far as ""enough active voters"" are concerned, that is still an open question until the vote is made. > >> How do you intend to 'silence' RKBA supporters? > > Talk all you want. Talk about the ""good old days"" when > you used to own firearms. After a while, such talk will > take on the character of war stories ... and no one will > be very interested anymore. You portray a possible scenario for the future. But, how will you silence RKBA supporters right now? As long as public debate is allowed, such debate will continue. If we allow public debate to be restricted or denied, then we will get a gov't we deserve. Al [standard disclaimer] ";-1;0 "From: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) Subject: Re: Fractal compression Keywords: fractal Reply-To: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc. Lines: 12 In article , inu530n@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (I Rachmat) writes: |> Hi... can anybody give me book or reference title to give me a start at |> fractal image compression technique. Helps will be appreciated... thanx For better worse, the source on this on is Michael Barnsley. His article in The Science of Fractal Images (Peitgen et al) is a fair-to-middling intro. Barnsley's book Fractals Everywhere is a more thorough treatment. The book covers Iterated Function Systems in general, and their application to image compression is clear from the text. --- dr memory jbulf@kpc.com ";-1;0 "From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: CTRL-ALT DEL locks the computer fafter Windows Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Whenever I exit Windows, I can't use control-alt DEL to reboot my computer, because the system hangs when I do this. I can still reboot using the reset key, but I would like to know why this happens.. Eric ebosco@us.oracle.com ";-1;0 "From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Nostalgia Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 1049 The recent rise of nostalgia in this group, combined with the incredible level of utter bullshit, has prompted me to comb through my archives and pull out some of ""The Best of Alt.Atheism"" for your reading pleasure. I'll post a couple of these a day unless group concensus demands that I stop, or I run out of good material. I haven't been particularly careful in the past about saving attributions. I think the following comes from John A. Johnson, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. This is probably the longest of my entire collection. ________________________________________________________ So that the Prophecy be Fulfilled * * * In considering the Christian religion, and judging it according to its claims, it is important to look at its claims at fulfilling earlier Jewish prophecy. The scribe Matthew is perhaps the most eager to draw out what he thinks are prophetic answers in the career of Jesus of Nazareth. As you will see, Matthew's main strategy is to take various Old Testament passages, often not even about the promised Messiah, and apply them to the circumstances in the New Testament. We must also bear in mind the question of the authenticity of the accounts. Since the gospels were written at least 35 years after Jesus was executed, we do not know how much happened exactly as stated. But, for purposes of analysis, we will take particular claims at face value. Immanuel: We begin, of course, at the beginning. (Mt 1.21-22): ""[Mary] will bear a son, and you, Joseph, will name him 'Jesus' (which means G'd is salvation), for he will save his people from their sins."" All this happened to fulfil what the lord had spoken by a prophet: [Isaiah 7.1-16]: In the days of Ahaz (c. 750 BCE), king of Judah, Rezin of Syria and Pekah of Israel made war on Jerusalem (capitol of Judah), but could not quite conquer it. When the house of David (i.e. Ahaz and his court in Judah) were told of this, ...its heart and the heart of its people shook... And, the lord G'd said to Isaiah, ""go to meet with Ahaz..."" ...And the lord spoke to Ahaz (through prophet Isaiah, naturally) saying, ""Ask a sign of G'd your lord. It can be as deep as Sheol or as high as heaven."" But, Ahaz said, ""I won't ask; I will not put the lord to a test."" Then (Isaiah) said, ""Hear then, O house of David. Is it not enough for you to weary men, that you must weary my god too? Therefore, the lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, a young woman is with child and will bear a son, and name him ""Immanuel,"" which means, ""G'd is with us."" He will eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse evil and choose good. For, before the child knows how to refuse evil and choose good, the land of the two kings you dread will have been deserted... Matthew homes in on just the sentence that is in italics. Further, he the Hebrew word ""almah,"" (young woman), as specifically, ""virgin."" But, this is not a prophecy about the Messiah. It is not a prophecy about an event to happen 750 years later. It is not a prophecy about a virgin (bethulah) mother. In short, it not about Jesus. Matthew has made use of a verse out of context, and tries to make it fit the specific case of Mary. It should be noted that if we want to read the prophecy in a general manner, a very general one, it can be made to fit Mary. Mary, virgin or not, was indeed a young woman with child. Of course, the fit is shady and has problems. Jesus, while thought of by later Christians to be G'd walking among men, was never called by the name, Immanuel. If Christianity wished to claim this prophecy for Jesus, it becomes at best a cut-and-paste prophecy... a second class prophecy. Not too convincing. Egypt: After Jesus's birth in Bethlehem, Matthew tells about a quick (and elsewhere unmentioned) excursion to Egypt, as if he wishes to liken Jesus to Moses. This was done to escape an alleged infanticidal rampage of the king, Herod. [Mt 2.15] ...and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfil what the lord had spoken: ""Out of Egypt I have cal-led my son."" What the lord really said was this. [Hosea 11.1] When Israel was a child, I loved him. And, out of Egypt I called my son. The more I called them (my people), the more they went from me; they kept sacrificing to the Ba'als, and kept burning incense to idols. Matthew conveniently omits the rest of Hosea's oracle. But, it was indeed Israel that, once called out of Egypt, wanted to return. This is history. Jesus is certainly not being spoken of here. And, if we are to draw some kind of parallel here, we wind up with a Jesus that flees and resists G'd. Again, this prophecy is just not as convincing as Matthew probably had hoped. Rachel Weeps: While Jesus is off vacationing in Egypt, Matthew says that King Herod sought to kill him, and thus ordered the executions of all young male children. Matthew then writes, [Mt 2.17-18] By this, that which was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled: ""A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud lamentation-- Rachel weeping for her children; she refused to be consoled, because they were no more."" The reference is to a passage in Jeremiah 31.15, referring to the carrying off of Israel into exile by Sargon (of Assyria) in 722 BCE. Rachel, the ancestor of the major tribes of Israel, Ephraim, and Manasseh, is said to weep for her descendants who are ""no more."" It is metaphorical, of course, since Rachel lived and dies before the Hebrews were even in the Egyptian exile. It is interesting to note that it was Leah, not Rachel, who was the ancestor of the Judeans (the land where Jesus and Bethlehem were). If anyone should do weeping for her ""children,"" it is Leah. The only connexion that Rachel has with Bethlehem is that the legends have it that she was buried north of the city, ""on the way to Ephrath, (Bethlehem)."" As for Herod and his infanticide, it is rather unlikely that such an event actually occurred. One never knows, but the event is not mentioned or alluded to anywhere else in the Bible, nor is it mentioned in any of the secular records of the time. Herod was particularly unliked in his reign, and many far less evil deeds of Herod were carefully recorded. This might be a prime example of how events were added to Jesus's life to enhance the message of the church's gospel. Because of the whole story's similarity to the tale of the infant Moses in Egypt, it is highly likely that it is a device set up by Matthew to add prophetic, yet artificial, approval of Jesus. It is not surprising that Matthew conveniently neglects to mention the rest of the Jeremiah quote. The ""children"" the prophet speaks of are not dead, but exiled in the Assyrian Empire. G'd comforts the weeping Rachel, saying that the children will be returned-- he will gather them back together. Of course, this would not suit Matthew's purpose, as the children he speaks of are dead for good. Again, the ""prophecy"" Matthew sets up is not even that, and to anyone who bothers to check it out, is not too convincing. The Nazarene: We do not even have to go to the next chapter to find another Matthean prophecy. After leaving Egypt, Joseph & wife take the infant Jesus to live in the city of Nazareth, [Mt 2.23] ...that what was spoken of by the prophets might be fulfilled, ""He shall be called a Nazarene."" First thing we notice is that Matthew does not mention the name of the prophet(s) this time. Second, we have to ask who ""He"" is. There are no Messianic prophecies speaking of a Nazarene. Worse, there are no prophecies, period, mentioning a Nazarene. Still worse, there are no Nazarenes mentioned in the Old Testament at all. In the book of Judges, an angel tells Samson's mother that she will, [Judges 13.5] ""...conceive and bear a son. No razor shall tough his head, for he will be a Nazirite to his god from the day of his birth. He will deliver Israel from the hands of the Philistines."" This is of course not a prophecy of Jesus, or the messiah of G'd. But, it is the best that can be found. Obviously, Matthew has begun to go overboard in cut-and-paste prophecies, in that he is simple making them up now. Bearing our Diseases: Jesus next goes around healing people of physical illnesses and disabilities. [Mt 8.17] This was to fulfil what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah, ""He took our infirmities and bore our diseases."" As expected, the verse quoted in Isaiah is quoted out of context, and a few words are skewed to fit the Christian scheme. We have, [Is 53.4] Surely he, [the suffering servant], has borne our sickness, and carried our pains. From a reading of the surrounding passages in Isaiah, we know that the prophet is speaking in present tense of the collective nation of Israel, Jehovah's chosen servant and people. He speaks to the Israelites suffering in exile, in the voice of the gentile nations that look upon it. This image is deeply ingrained in Jewish identity --an image of a chastised, yet cherished, Israel as the instrument of the nations' salvation by G'd. The verses speak of Israel taking on the sicknesses which are the literal and metaphorical manifestations of guilt and discipline. They do not speak of a ""servant"" going around and healing people. Notice that the servant in Isaiah takes on the sicknesses and pains of the nations (and individual Jews). Jesus, as we all know, did not take the diseases onto himself. The verses here in Isaiah are not a prophecy of something to come, but rather something that had already happened. While it is believed that Jesus took on the eternal punishment of hell, he did not bear the illnesses he healed. So, while someone might want to say that, figuratively, Jesus reenacted the deeds of Israel in his spiritual atonement, he has to admit that Matthew's parallel misses where he intended it to have its effect. Silent Messiah: Upon healing multitudes of commoners, it is said that Jesus ordered them to keep quiet, presumable so that he wouldn't arouse the attention of the local rulers. [Mt 12.15-21] This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah. ""Behold my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved, with whom my soul is pleased. I will put my spirit on him, and he will announce justice to the Gentiles. He will not wrangle or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the streets. He will not break a bruised reed or quench a smoldering wick until he brings justice to victory, and the gentiles will hope in his name."" The Isaiah passage quoted reads, [Is 42.1-4] Behold my servant whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights. I have put my spirit on him, and he will bring forth justice to the nations. We will not cry or lift up his voice, or make it heard in the street. He will not break a bruised reed, or quench a smoldering wick. He will faithfully bring forth justice. He will not fail (burn dimly) or be discouraged (bruised) until he has established justice in the earth. And the coastlands await his law. You see, Matthew has conveniently left out part of the passage, because it does not suit the dealings of Jesus. Christians could never think of Jesus failing, never would the ""light"" of mankind burn dimly. But, the servant nation of Israel will indeed come to an end when its job is done. When the gentiles come to embrace G'd there will no longer be a chosen people, but rather all will be the children of G'd. Also, the ending phrase has been changed from the Judaic ""...the coastlands await his law."" to the Christologic, ""the Gentiles will hope in his name."" While the original proclaims the Torah law of Jehovah, the other rewrites it to fit its strange doctrine of ""believing in the name."" If one has any doubt the servant referred to is not Jesus, one has only to read the whole chapter, Isaiah 42, and hear about the beloved but blind and imperfect servant, ""a people robbed and plundered..."" So, we see that when Matthew's attempt at ""prophecy"" is examined, it crumbles. Three Days and Three Nights: Now we come upon a prophecy supposedly uttered by the very mouth of the god Jesus himself. He speaks of his crucifixion and resurrection. [Mt 12.40] For as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights. Before any further discussion can occur, it is necessary to know how the Jews understood days. As far as day names went, each was 24 hours long, lasting from sunset 6pm to the following sunset 6pm. What was referred to as a ""day"" was the period of light from 6am to the ending sunset at 6pm. Thus, according to our time scale, a sabbath day began at 6pm Friday evening, and lasted until 6pm saturday evening. This is why the Jews celebrate their sabbath on the daylight portion of Saturdays, instead of Sundays. (It seems like a real miracle that Christians didn't forget that Saturday was indeed the seventh and last day of the week!) Thus, when days and nights are referred to together, 12 hour daylight portions and 12 hour night periods are being spoken of. Thus, Jesus says that he will be in the grave, or in hell, or otherwise unresurrected for three days and three nights. As the good book tells us, Jesus was crucified on the ""ninth hour,"" which is 3pm, Friday afternoon. He then was put into the grave sometime after that. Then, Jesus left the grave, ""rose,"" before dawn of what we call Sunday (The dawn after the sabbath was over). What this means is that Jesus was, using our time for clarity, in the grave from 6pm Friday night to some time before 6am Sunday morning. We could also add a little time before 6pm Friday, since the bible is not specific here. What this means using Jewish time is that he was in the grave for one day, two nights, and possibly a couple of hours of one day. Certainly this is a problem for Jesus prediction. There is absolutely no way we are even able to have his death involve three days and three nights --even using modern time measurements. We then are led to suspect that this error is another one of Matthew's little mistakes, and that the gospel writer put false words into his god's mouth. And no matter who made the prediction, it is more than unconvincing... it is counter-convincing. Hearing & Understanding: Jesus tool on a habit of speaking to his vast audiences in parables-- stories in which a deeper meaning could be found, if you were already one of the elect, those chosen to understand the message of Jesus. He reasons that those who can understand the parables are the ones he wants. If the people cannot understand them, there is no need to bother with them, since they will not accept the ""plain"" message any better. Matthew says, [Mt 13.14-16] With them [the audience] indeed in fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says, ""You will indeed hear but never understand; and you will indeed see, but never perceive. Because this people's heart has grown dull, their ears are heavy of hearing, and they have shut their eyes so the they would not perceive with them, her with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn for me to heal them."" The original Isaiah passages are part of his earlier works, his call to the ministry. This is in 740 BCE, when Israel is flourishing, right before it falls under the authority of Assyria. Isaiah sees the good times ending, and also a vision from G'd, calling him to bring reform to Israel and Judah. [Is 6.9-13] And G'd said, ""Go, and say to this people, `Hear and hear, but do not understand; see and see, but do not perceive.' Make the heart of this people fat, make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes, so they will not see with their eyes, or hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."" Then Isaiah said, ""How long, lord?"" And he said, ""Until the cities lie waste without inhabitant, and houses without men, and the land is utterly desolate, and the G'ds take men far away, and forsaken places are many in the land. And though a tenth will remain in it, it will be burned again, like a terebinth or an oak whose stump still stands when the tree is felled."" The holy seed is its stump. Here we see that it is really G'd who causes the people of Israel to stop listening to the prophet's warnings, but reaffirms the promise made to Solomon's (and David's) seed/lineage. If you read the rest of Isaiah, you find that this is done to fulfil the plan of G'd to use Israel as a servant, a light to the nations. (Look at Isaiah 42.18-25, 48.20, 49.3) We see that Matthew has cut-and-pasted just a little portion of Isaiah's verse, to suit his own gospel needs. More than that, he has altered the words, to make it fit the people who didn't understand Jesus's stories. And, as we see, Isaiah's verses are not prophecies, but rather commands from G'd to him, in the present. Once again, Matthew's prophecy falls flat on its face. Matthew tries again to make Jesus's parables look like they have the prophetic approval. [Mt 13.35] ...he said nothing to them without a parable. This was to fulfil what was spoken of by the prophet, ""I will open my mouth to them in parables. I will utter that which has been hidden since the foundation of the world."" Matthew really botches up here. He attempts to quote not from a prophet, but from the Psalms. [Ps 78.2-4] I will open my mouth in parable. I will utter dark sayings of old, things that we all have heard and known, things that our fathers have told us. We will not hide them from their children, but tell to the coming generation the glorious deeds of the lord... As was pointed out, the verses in the Psalms do not really come from a prophet. You might also want to know that earlier copies of Matthew's gospel even inserted Isaiah's name as this prophet. Apparently, later scribes caught the error and tried to cover some of it up. Perhaps the most significant part of this is that, once again, Matthew has altered the Old Testament Scriptures. As Jesus has said earlier, he speaks in parables so that some will not understand them. The parables in the Psalms are not to be hidden. Further, they speak of things ""known, that our fathers have told us."" Jesus deals with things ""hidden since the foundation of the world."" Indeed Jesus dealt in a lot of secrecy and confusion. This is in direct opposition to the parables in the Psalms. No wonder Matthew had to rewrite them! And still once again, Matthew's artificial prophecies fall flat on their face. But, Christians rarely look at this. Matthew's prophecies aren't the only things about Christianity that are beginning to look bad. Excuses of Little Faith: In Mt. 17.14-21, we see that the disciples are able to go around casting out demons, except in one case. Not knowing what epilepsy was, the people thought those with the disease were possesed with demons. It is no wonder that the disciples were unable to ""dispossess"" the epileptic. But, Jesus, perhaps no more enlightened than they, is reported to have rebuked them, saying they didn't have enough faith. This seems strange. Why was this demon special? It seems that either a true believer has faith or he does not. Apparently, enough faith will allow someone to move mountains. Of course, you will find no one, these days that can move real mountains. No one parts seas. The only miracles the Charismatics can speak of are those rumoured to happen on trips to Mexico or some faraway place. Major miracles are making some old woman's arthritis feel better on Sunday morning T.V. And the gods, including Jesus, are always shrouded in ancient lore and writings, protected from the skeptics in their sacred pasts. They are either dead, sleeping, or hiding in heaven, with people rumouring about their imminent return and their great miracles of days long gone. Yet, life goes on. Tales of mystics, stories of miracles-- all in a distant time or a distant place. Gods used to reveal themselves to men in the old days, Jehovah too. But, now they are silent. All the theologians give are various excuses as to why we don't get to see God anymore. We're too lazy; we're not zealous enough; we're sinful; it's just his ""plan""; we put too many of our own demands on G'd's appearance; if we had the right faith, if we were willing to meet G'd on his terms... Yet, even the most pious of men have not seen G'd. You, dear reader, have not seen G'd. Not literally, you know that to be true. (I know that's presumptuous and bold. But, searching your heart, you know what I mean.) All that we've seen religions do is make people feel good and content about not seeing G'd. They say our little faith does not merit us to see G'd. Sometimes, they say, ""See the love in these people you worship with... see the lives of people change... that is seeing G'd."" Thus people get lulled to sleep, satisfied with turning G'd into the everyday sights. But, that is not seeing G'd as I am speaking of... it is not seeing G'd the way people used to see. What we see in the world that is good, is the compassion of human hearts, the love given and taken by men and women, the forgiveness practised by Christian & Atheist alike, beauty created by the mind of man. These are the things that are done; these are what we see. But, it is said this is so only because everybody has little faith. Jesus Rides on an Ass: Shortly after accepting the role of the Jewish messiah king, Jesus requests a donkey be brought in for him to ride into Jerusalem. [Mt 21.5] This took place to fulfil what was spoken by the prophet, saying, Tell the daughter of Zion, ""Behold, your king is coming to you, humble, mounted on an ass, and on a ass-colt."" Of course, the passage quoted from Zechariah 9.9 reads a little differently. Lo, your king comes to you; he is triumphant and victorious, humble, and riding on an ass, on an ass- colt... he will command peace to the nations. There isn't all that much difference here, except that Zechariah only involves one animal --an ass-colt-- while Matthew reads the poetic wording slightly differently. Thus, he has Jesus call for both a colt and an adult ass. From Matthew's version, we get a comical picture of the divine Christ sweating it to straddle two donkeys. This could inevitably lead to a theological, proctological dilemma! We find that in the account written earlier by St. Mark, only the colt was called for and brought to Jesus. This indeed fits the verses of Zechariah properly, and shows us that in Matthew attempt to use prophetic verses, he has bungled. Now, excluding many respectable Christians I have met, I have noticed that while Christ is thought to have ridden on asses, the situation is often reversed nowadays... Then, entering the Jerusalem temple, the priests were angered at people and youngsters calling Jesus the messiah. But, Jesus replied as we might expect Matthew to have done, [Mt 21.16] Haven't you read? `Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou has brought perfect praise.' It is more likely that Matthew made this response up since Jesus was never one to point out such little ""prophetic"" things AND since, as we might expect, the quote is in error, which seems to fit Matthew's track record quite well. We might ask Jesus or Matthew, ""Haven't you read?"" for the source reads, [Psalms 8.1-2] O YaHWeH our lord, how majestic is your name in the whole world! You, whose glory is chanted above the heavens by babes and infants, you have founded a bulwark against your foes to still the enemy and the avenger. The passages hardly need comment. There is no ""perfect praise"" spoken of in the psalm, and what praise is there is given to G'd, not his messiah king, and not Jesus. As mentioned, it seems to be just one more case of Matthew's pen making up convenient prophetic scripture. YHVH said to my lord...: Jesus is said to have asked from whom the promised Jewish messiah-king is to be descended. The Jews agree-- it is king David. But, then Jesus counters by quoting Psalms 110, ""The LORD said to my Lord, sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet."" Taken at face value, Jesus is denying the necessity of Davidic descent. One assumes he is in opposition to their answer. Of course, the Christian answer is that he agrees, but is trying to make some hidden point, to reveal some mystery about the divine nature of the messiah-king. It's tempting to believe this, if one is a Christian and not interested in matters of investigation. But, there are problems. In Jesus's time, the psalm was thought to be about the messiah. And, it is easy to see why David might refer to the messiah as his superior. We need only look at the scriptures about the messiah to see that he is expected to be a great king, bringing the Jews to times even better than those under David's rule. Of course, the Jews listening had no good answer, and the passage could indeed refer to a divine messiah, such as the Christians worship. The problem lies in the meaning of this psalm, an error that apparently several Jews of Jesus's time had also made. One must remember that there were various factions among the Jews, often as a result of different expectations of the messiah-king. Jesus was apparently one of these adventists, like his audience, who thought the messiah's advent was imminent, and who interpreted Psalms 110, among others, as being messianic. What is the problem, then? Psalm 110 literally reads, YHVH's utterance to my lord: ""Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool."" YHVH sends forth your mighty scepter from Zion. Rule in the midst of your foes! Your people will offer themselves freely on the day you lead your host on the holy mountains. ""You are a priest of the order of Melchizedek forever."" The word ""lord"" is often mistakenly capitalised by Christian bibles to denote divinity in this lord. But, in the Hebrew, the word is ""adoni,"" and no capitalisation exists. Adoni simply means ""lord,"" a generic term as we would use it. It is used often in the scriptures to refer to kings and to G'd. It is merely an address of respect. There is nothing in the text itself to imply that the word refers either to divinity or to the messiah-king. That this is supposed to be written by David is not certain. The title of the psalm translates to either ""a psalm of David,"" or ""a psalm about David."" It seems fitting to assume it to be written by a court poet, about David's covenant and endorsement from G'd. If the psalm had been written by David, it is unlikely that he would be talking about the messiah. The idea of a perfect king, descended from David, was not present in David's age. We have extensive tales of David's doings and sayings-- none of which include any praises of a messiah. Many of the psalms show evidence of being written long after David was dead, in times of the exile when G'd had put his show of favour for David's kingdom on hold. The description in the psalm fit David very well. David was promised by G'd a rise to power, victory over his enemies, successful judgement among the nations he conquered. He achieved the priesthood common to Melchizedek in being a righteous king, enabled to bless the people. It all fits. We do not have to blame this problem on Matthew alone, though. Here, there is not artificial prophecy alluded to, though his use of the scripture is rather questionable. Still, this event is common to the other gospels too. So, we let Matthew off a little more easily this time. It is interesting to note, though, how Matthew dresses up the event. The earlier gospel of Mark tells the tale with Jesus simply speaking to a crowd. Matthew has the Pharisees, who became the religious competition of an infant Christianity, be the target of Jesus's question. As we might expect, Matthew writes that the event ends up by embarrassing the Pharisees. Such power is the pen. Moses & Jesus, Had it Together All Along...: We leave the gospel story of Matthew momentarily to see a pseudo-prophecy in John's gospel. The gospel story of John deserves special treatment, because it seems to be so far removed from the real events of Jesus's career as told by even Matthew. But, for the moment, we will just look at one verse. The early church leaders founded a religion on the Jewish hopes of a messiah king, and on an artificial extension of the original promises made by G'd. When constructing the history of Abraham, Moses wrote of a promise of land and nationhood to the Jewish people. While this was accomplished eventually, under the rule of king David, the Christians who came along later decided that they would claim the fulfillment of the promise. But, to do so, they expanded on the promise, preaching about a heavenly kingdom. [John 8.56] (J.C. speaking) Your father, Abraham, rejoiced to see My day. He say it and was glad. It would be nice to tie in approval for Jesus from Abraham, but, Abraham knew nothing of Jesus or a messiah, or anything Christian. I have tried, and failed to find any event in the Old Testament which corresponds to John's little prophecy. It is par for the course to see St. John making up Old Testament backings, just like his forerunner Matthew. Many Christians know that their faith has many of its foundations in such fraud, and it is surprising they still cling to it. The Potter's Field: We are told that Jesus was betrayed while in Jerusalem by one of his followers, Judas Iscariot. Matthew writes, [Mt 27.5-10] And throwing down the pieces of silver in the temple, [Judas] departed... But, the chief priests, taking the silver, said, ""It isn't lawful for us to put it in the treasury, since it is blood money."" So they... bought a potter's field with it to bury strangers in... Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah, ""And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him on whom a price had been set by some of the sons of Israel, and they gave them for the potter's field, as the lord directed me."" This prophecy is an utterly gross bastardisation of Old Testament Scripture. First, Matthew has made a mistake regarding the name of the prophet. It is Zechariah who utters the verses which Matthew makes use of. [Zech. 11.12-13] ...And they weighed out my wages, thirty shekels of silver. Then YHVH said to me, ""Cast them to the treasury,"" --the lordly price at which I was paid off by them. So I took the thirty shekels of silver and cast them into the treasury in the house of YHVH. First of all, the verses of Zechariah do not deal with a betrayer of the messiah, or of G'd. The deal with a shepherd, most likely a priest, chosen to serve a function of presiding over the people shortly before G'd would send Judah and Israel into conflict with one another. The word, ""treasury,"" had been replaced by the King James Scholars with ""to the potter,"" precisely because this made Matthew's quote fit better. But, this is a blatant error. The correct translation of the Hebrew is indeed ""treasury,"" which also makes perfect sense in Zechariah's context, whereas ""potter's field"" is totally unrelated. Whether the mistranslation was intentional or not seems to be beyond speculation. However, given Matthew's track record, one finds it hard to resist the notion of intentional dishonesty. Of course, Matthew would have ample reason for altering the text. The thirty pieces of silver match Judas's situation, and if as most Christians seem to be, the reader is willing to disregard the contextual incongruity, Matthew might have another prophecy to toss around. However, the correct translation of Zechariah directly contradicts the situation with Judas and the high priests. The high priests would not put the money in the treasury. The worthless shepherd of Zechariah does exactly the opposite! Of course, to the average Thursday-Night Bible student, the ""prophecy"" as presented by Matthew would be taken at New Testament face value. To those, Matthew's work is convincing enough. Wine, Vinegar, & Casting Lots: Then, Jesus is led away to be crucified. [Mt 27.34-35] ...they gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall; but when he tasted it, he would not drink it. And, when they had crucified him, they divided his garments among them by casting lots: that it might be fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet, ""They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots."" First of all, the vinegar offered to Jesus is actually common sour wine, of the type that Roman soldiers drank regularly. We find that right before Jesus dies, the soldiers themselves give him some to drink --not polluted with gall. [Jn 19.28-30] Jesus... said, ""I thirst."" A bowl of vinegar stood there, so they put a sponge full of the vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth. When he had received the vinegar, he said, ""It is finished;"" But, Matthew seems to be drawing on, not a passage from the prophets, but one from the Psalms. [Ps 69.20-28] I looked for pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none. They gave me poison for food (lit. they put gall in my meat), and for my thirst, they gave me vinegar to drink... Add to them punishment upon punishment, may they have no acquittal from thee. Let them be blotted out of the Book of the Living. Of course, the sour wine offered to Jesus is done at his request of drink. This does indeed seem to be a show of pity. The psalm quoted is about David and his political and military enemies. It is not about the messiah or Jesus. It is then not surprising that we run into further problem when we see that the ""Jesus"" in the psalm asks G'd for the damnation of the ""crucifiers,"" whereas the Jesus of the gospels says, [Lk 23.34] Jesus said, ""Father, forgive them, the don't know what they do!"" Further, Matthew misses with his attempt to create prophecy by having gall (a bitter substance) put into Jesus's drink, not his meat, as the psalm stipulates. With the ""prophecy"" of the vinegar faulty, we naturally ask, ""What of the casting of lots?"" This brings up the 22nd Psalm, which deserves discussion all by itself. Suffice it now to say that the fact that Jesus's clothes were divided as told is no great thing. It turns out that this happened often to any felon in those days. As we will soon see, it is perhaps the least erroneous passage of the psalm when applied to Jesus. It does indeed bring up the interesting question as to the quality of Jesus's clothes. For a man so removed from worldly possessions, his ownership of clothes worthy of casting lots raises some suspicions. The 22nd Psalm: This psalm is attributed to David, as a lament of his condition under the attack of his enemies. It becomes a song of praise to YHVH and of hope. Taken out of context, parts of it seem to fit the plight of Jesus at the crucifixion quite well. We will examine the primary passages. Verse 1-2: My god, my god! why have you forsaken me?! Why are you so far from helping me, far from the words of my groaning? Oh, my god, I cry by day, but you don't answer, and by night, but find no rest. Jesus is said to have cried the first sentence while on the cross. This suggests that the whole psalm is really about Jesus, rather than king David. Of course, the rest of the first stanza does not fit as nicely to Jesus or his execution. Jesus is not pictured as complaining about the whole ordeal, he is supposed to be like ""the lamb led mute before its shearers."" Indeed, Jesus doesn't do much groaning, even when on the cross. He certainly does not cry by both day and night on the cross. 6-8: But, I am a worm, and no man-- scorned by men... All who see me mock at me. They make faces and wag their heads; ""He committed his cause to YHVH. So let him deliver him... for he delights in him."" This seems to fit Jesus's execution pretty well, with the exception of the Holy messiah being called a worm. 12-13: Many bulls encompass me... they open their mouths widely at me like a ravening and roaring lion. 16-18: Yea, dogs are round about me, a company of evildoers encir-cle me, they have pierced my hands and feet. I can see all my bones... They divide my garments among them, and cast lost for my raiment. 19-21: But you, YHVH, be not far away! ...Deliver my soul from the sword, my life from the power of the dog! Save me from the mouth of the lion, and my afflicted soul from the horns of the wild bull! It would seem quite convincing, and I'm sure the early Christian fathers who wrote of this prophecy thought so too. Unfortunately, this prophecy has a fatal flaw. The words ""have pierced"" really do not exist in the psalm. The correct Hebrew translation is, 16: Yea, dogs are round about me, a company of evildoers encircles me, like the lion, they are at my hands and feet... In Hebrew the phrase ""like the lion"" and a very rare verb form which can mean ""pierced"" differ by one phonetic character. The word in the Hebrew text is literally, ""like the lion"" (ka'ari), which makes sense in the context, and even further fits the animal imagery employed by the psalm writer. It is convenience that would urge a Christian to change the word to ""ka'aru."" But, to add the needed (yet artificial) weight to the ""prophecy"" this is just what the Christian translators have chosen to do. While the correct translation does not eliminate the psalm from referring to Jesus, its absence does not say much for the honesty of the translators. Apart from the erroneous verse 16, the psalm does not lend itself to Jesus so easily. Verse 20 speaks of the sufferer being saved from a sword rather than a cross. This naturally fits the psalm's true subject, king David. As a side note, we now know that crucifixions did not pierce the hands, the palms, but rather the forearms. This doesn't say much in favour of the traditional thought of a resurrected Jesus showing his disciples the scars on his palms. But then, facts aren't bound by our religious beliefs. Matthew escapes culpability this time, as he does not attempt to draw many direct links between this psalm and his lord Jesus. But the psalm, like many others, was on the minds of all the gospel writers when they compiled the stories and interpretations of Jesus's life and death. How much these scriptures may have contributed to what actually got written down is a question that has serious repercussions for Christian theology. It is easy to see, for those who are not faithful fundamentalists, how some of the events in the New Testament might have been ""enhanced"" by scribes such as the eager Matthew. But, it does less to speculate than to simply investigate scriptural matters and prophetic claims. So far, this has not said good things for St. Matthew. The reference to the piercing looks a lot like Jesus's crucifixion. John's gospel recount, written about 70 years after the fact, tells us at Jesus's execution, [Jn 19.34,37] But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and out came blood and water... these things took place that Scripture be fulfilled... ""The will look on him whom they've pierced."" Of course, this is built on a passage taken blatantly out of context. Prophet Zechariah tells us how much of the nation of Israel will split off from Jerusalem and Judah and go to war with them. [Zc 12.7-10] And YHVH will give victory to Judah... And on that day, I will seek to destroy the nations that come against Jerusalem (in Judah). And I will pour a spirit of compassion and supplication... on Jerusalem so that when they look on him who they have pierced, they will mourn, and weep bitterly over him like you weep over a firstborn child. John's attempt to make up prophecy is perhaps weaker that Matthew's attempts. Matthew, at least, usually excontexts more than just one passage. John's errors are grossly obvious and blatant here. It does not speak well for any of the gospel writers, as it helps to show how the prophetic aspects of their religion were founded. Reckoned with Transgressors: After his arrest, Jesus is quickly executed for claiming the Jewish kingship, messiahship. According to one version of the gospel tale, Jesus gets executed along with two thieves. [Mk 15.27] And with him they crucified two robbers, one on his right, one on his left. And so the scripture was fulfilled which says, ""He was reckoned with the transgressors."" Here, Mark is trying to link Jesus to a passage in Isaiah 53, about the servant nation of Israel. The passage is not about the messiah, for if one reads the whole chapter of Isaiah 53, and its surrounding chapters, one sees that the servant is a nation. The verses are also about what this servant has gone through in the past, not a prediction of what is to come, in any event. The servant is thought of as a criminal. This also happens to fit the description of Jesus. Had the passage really been about the messiah, it still is not at all clear why executing Jesus between two thieves would fulfill the ""prophecy"" in Isaiah. Jesus would more fittingly fulfill it with his whole ministry. He was considered a blasphemer and troublemaker all throughout his career. Locking onto a single event is a rather poor way to steal prophecy, at least in this case, as we see that Mark could have had made a better analogy with general comparisons. Mark goes on to tell us how ""those who were crucified with [Jesus] also reviled him."" [15.32] This is to be expected from a couple of robbers. Of course in his later recount, St. Luke decides to change some things. Luke tells us, [Lk 23.39-43] And one of the criminals who was hanged with him railed, ""Aren't you the messiah?! Save yourself, and us!"" This certainly fits with Mark's recount, which tells how the people who crucified Jesus said, ""Save yourself!"" and that the robbers did the same. But then Luke goes on, But the other [criminal] rebuked [the first] saying, ""Don't you fear G'd, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we, indeed justly so, for we are receiving the due reward for our deeds. But, this man has done nothing wrong. And he said, ""Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom."" And Jesus answered, ""Verily I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise."" Now, this little dialogue seems highly contrived. It stretches the imagination a bit to see this picture of one ruffian rebuking his fellow criminal with such eloquent speech. We have a rather strange picture of a criminal lamenting over the goodness of his punishment and the justness of his suffering. Such a man, apparently noble and of principle, doesn't seem likely to have been a robber. We wonder at the amount of theatrics created by Luke. Of course, Luke's recount also disagrees with Mark's. Luke has only one criminal revile Jesus, not both. It is easy enough to discount the discrepancy because the account was made up, but those who wish to believe it is all part of the error free words of G'd do not have this avenue open. This is yet another example of a writer trying to take an Old Testament passage and expand it and reinterpret it to suit his theology. In this case, the embroidery creates some embarrassing problems, as we have seen. The End of the World-- Mt. 24: Now comes perhaps one of the most extraordinary and embarrassing passages in the New Testament. It is found in all three of the synoptic gospel stories, and casts some of the most unfavourable doubt on the whole theory of Christianity. Jesus mentions the destruction of the Jewish temples and buildings, and his disciples ask him about this, and about the end of the world which he has been warning about. The disciples: Tell us, when will this [the temple's destruction] be, and what will be the sign of your coming, and of the close of the age? Jesus: Take care that no one leads you astray, for many will come in my name, saying, ""I am the christ."" ...you will hear of wars and rumours of wars... for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For, nation will rise against nation... all this is but the beginning of the birthpangs. They will deliver you up... put you to death, and false prophets will arise and lead many astray. ...But he who endures to the end will be saved. This gospel will be preached throughout the whole world, a testimony to the nations, and then the end will come. So, when you see the desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, ...let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened... the stars will fall from heaven... then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and see the Son of Man coming... and he will send out his angels... and gather his elect... Learn the lesson of the fig tree: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you will know that He is near, at the very gate. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place... But, of the day and hour, no one knows; not the angels, not the Son, but only the Father... Therefore, you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. From this, it is clear that Jesus thought the world would in within the lifetimes of at least some of his disciples. He tells them that although he doesn't know the exact day or hour, that it will come, and thus they must be ready. Theologians have wet their pants in panic to find some way out of this Holy Error. But, unfortunately, Jesus made himself to explicit. He told his disciples that their generation would still be around at the End, and that they in particular should prepare for it, prepare to be swept away. There have been some who resorted to removing the inerrant nature of the Bible, and said that the phrase, ""this generation shall not pass away..."" really means ""this race of people will not pass away..."" Of course, the word for generation is used many times to refer to exactly that, the generation of the disciples. It is an interesting notion that when God decided to learn Greek, he didn't learn it well enough to make himself clear. But. it is quite obvious from the rest of the dialogue that the disciples (at least some of them) are supposed to live to the End of the World. The charge of mistranslation is completely blown away by looking at the Apostles' responses. It becomes abundantly clear from Rev. 22.7, 1 Peter 4.7, 1 John 2.18, and Rev. 22.20, that Jesus meant exactly what he said. The End was very near. For 2,000 years, Christians have rationalised this 24th chapter of Matthew, or ignored its meaning altogether. For 2,000 years, they have waited for their executed leader to come back, hearing of wars, and rumours of wars, sure that He is coming soon. Surely He must be. All we must do is wait. Can you imagine how tired He must be, sitting around up there, being holy, waiting for just the right moment to spring? So, shortly after his crucifixion, Jesus of Nazareth, (Joshua-ben-Joseph), died. It is said that after three days, or three days and three nights, or three periods of time, or three eternal seconds --or three of whatever they can decide makes for less trouble-- he was seen again, resurrected, glowing with divine radiance. Then the Saviour decided it wasn't in the best interests of his new religion to stick around, and therefore disappeared from sight into heaven. So the story goes, anyway. As has been seen, there were many things attributed to Jesus when people got around to writing the gospel stories down. To them, Jesus was the fulfiller of all prophecy and scripture. We have seen, though, that this matter is quite shaky. But, throughout Church history, Christians have held fast to faith, in simple belief. What doctrinal objections could not be solved with argumentation or brute force, faith and forgetfulness kept away from question. To question and investigate has never been the easiest way to treat matters. Thus for 2,000 years, the prophecies cited in the New Testament have gone on largely accepted. Things may well continue that way for some time. Pausing a moment to consider the way the doctrines of Christianity have been accepted and used (properly or improperly) to support wars and persecution, I suppose there is one prophecy of which Christianity can securely keep hold. [Mt 10.34] Jesus: ""Don't think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I haven't come to bring peace, but rather a sword."" ";9;1 "From: bo@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Bo Peng) Subject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: horus.cem.msu.edu From article <1993Apr20.195853.16179@samba.oit.unc.edu>, by dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina): > Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this > card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on > latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors > in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. > I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors > in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible > quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. > What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. > Thx Dave L > > You're using drivers version 2.02 or earlier. The latest is 2.03, available from their BBS or by snailmail. It at least fixes the WfW problem. The reason I wanted to reply in public instead of private mail is because of following: I talked to their tech support a few days ago and was told that I can expect a new version near the end of the month. Which should be about now... However, I have a problem when switching back from a DOS session in standard mode. Apparently they don't know of this problem and seem to be surprised why anybody would want to use standard mode at all. It's a great card for the price, at least when I bought it. Now there may be better alternatives. Bo Peng ";-1;0 "From: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) Subject: Animation with XPutImage()? Nntp-Posting-Host: ioas09.ast.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge Lines: 27 Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! My question is, what is the fastest way in X11R5 to dump 8 plane image data to a window? Can I take advantage of the fact that the client is running on the same machine as the server? Or am I stuck with XPutImage() (in which case I might as well give up now...)? All help appreciated...thanks! Derek ----------------------------------------------------------- | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | | Cambridge, U.K. | | | CB3 0HA | E-mail: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk | ----------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: danj@iat.holonet.net (dana james) Subject: trade my 14.4k modem for your PC/XT Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058/modem Lines: 20 Trade your old PC for my new modem. Modem comes with coupond good for travel to/from Europe. 14.4 v.42bis modem MODEM FEATURES: MNP5 2-to-1 Compression & Error Correction V.42bis 4-to-1 Compression & Error Correction CCITT V.32bis Compatible (14.4k bps) CCITT V.32 Compatible (9.6k bps) CCITT V.22bis Compatible (2.4k bps) AT Command Set Compatible Compatible with IBM PC/XT/AT/386's and Compatibles Bundled with Communications Software PC Bus interface Two RJ11C Connectors: Phone and Line e-mail: danj@holonet.net ";-1;0 "From: jk87377@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana) Subject: XV problems Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 113 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi [Please, note the Newsgroups.] Recent discussion about XV's problems were held in some newsgroup. Here is some text users of XV might find interesting. I have added more to text to this collection article, so read on, even you so my articles a while ago. I hope author of XV corrects those problems as best he can, so fine program XV is that it is worth of improving. (I have also minor ideas for 24bit XV, e-mail me for them.) Any misundertanding of mine is understandable. Juhana Kouhia ==clip== [ ..deleted..] Note that 'xv' saves only 8bit/rasterized images; that means that the saved jpegs are just like jpeg-to-gif-to-jpeg quality. Also, there's three kind of 8bit quantizers; your final image quality depends on them too. This were the situation when I read jpeg FAQ a while ago. IMHO, it is design error of 'xv'; there should not be such confusing errors in programs. There's two errors: -xv allows the saving of 8bit/rasterized image as jpeg even the original is 24bit -- saving 8bit/rasterized image instead of original 24bit should be a special case -xv allows saving the 8bit/rasterized image made with any quantizer -- the main case should be that 'xv' quantizes the image with the best quantizer available before saving the image to a file; lousier quantizers should be just for viewing purposes (and a special cases in saving the image, if at all) ==clip== ==clip== [ ..deleted..] It is limit of *XV*, but not limit of design. It is error in design. It is error that 8bit/quantized/rasterized images are stored as jpegs; jpeg is not designed to that. As matter of fact, I'm sure when XV were designed 24bit displays were known. It is not bad error to program a program for 8bit images only at that time, but when 24bit image formats are included to program the whole design should be changed to support 24bit images. That were not done and now we have -the program violate jpeg design (and any 24bit image format) -the program has human interface errors. Otherway is to drop saving images as jpegs or any 24bit format without clearly saying that it is special case and not expected in normal use. [ ..deleted.. ] ==clip== Some new items follows. ==clip== I have seen that XV quantizes the image sometimes poorly with -best24 option than with default option we have. The reason surely is the quantizer used as -best24; it is (surprise) the same than used in ppmquant. If you remember, I have tested some quantizers. In that test I found that rlequant (with default) is best, then comes djpeg, fbmquant, xv (our default) in that order. In my test ppmquant suggeeded very poorly -- it actually gave image with bad artifacts. I don't know is ppmquant improved any, but I expect no. So, use of XV's -best24 option is not very good idea. I suggest that author of XV changes the quantizer to the one used in rlequant -- I'm sure rle-people gives permission. (Another could be one used in ImageMagick; I have not tested it, so I can say nothing about it.) ==clip== ==clip== Some minor bugs in human interface are: Key pressings and cursor clicks goes to a buffer; Often it happens that I make click errors or press keyboard when cursor is in the wrong place. It is very annoying when you have waited image to come about five minutes and then it is gone away immediately. The buffer should be cleaned when the image is complete. Also, good idea is to wait few seconds before activating keyboard and mouse for XV after the image is completed. Often it happens that image pops to the screen quickly, just when I'm writing something with editor or such. Those key pressings then go to XV and image has gone or something weird. In the color editor, when I turn a color meter and release it, XV updates the images. It is impossible to change all RGB values first and then get the updated image. It is annoying wait image to be updated when the setting are not ready yet. I suggest of adding an 'apply' button to update the exchanges done. ==clip== ";-1;0 "From: joan@koala.berkeley.edu () Subject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements Organization: U.C. Berkeley Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: koala.berkeley.edu I don't know what Traders is claiming, but it appears to me that the Oakland Tribune has censored gun ads in the past. Likewise for the San Francisco Chronicle, and I have never seen a gun ad in the San Francisco Examiner. Specifically, about a year ago on Thursdays, when Traders placed its ads, the Chron. ad would not have any graphics representing any handgun sale, though text could list it. The Trib. would run a graphic of a handgun. The Examiner would not have a Traders ad at all. Over the past year while Oakland politicians have made a lot of noise about measures to fight crime the Trib stopped taking the Traders ad, then started publishing it, but without any handgun graphic, then stopped, then started. Since the Trib. was sold some months ago it has not had the Traders ad. During one of these non-ad interludes a Traders employee told me that the Trib. had refused to take their ads. Yes, the usual Chron. Thursday ad was there today, with graphics representing rifles, safes, etc. as usual. Joan V ";-1;0 "From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: Re: Tektronix Organization: The Internet Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: mike@hopper.virginia.edu, xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu # # I remember seeing something in the X distribution mentioning support # for a Tektronix terminal in an X server. Is this accurate? # Xterm supports 401x emulation. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long ";-1;0 "From: Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! Organization: Becton Dickinson Research Center R.T.P. NC USA Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: polymr4.bdrc.bd.com >I eagerly await comment. The ice princess next door makes a habit of flooring her cage out of the driveway when she sees me coming. Probably only hits 25mph, or so. (I made the mistake of waving to a neighbor. She has some sort of grudge, now.) I was riding downhill at ~60mph on a local backroad when a brown dobie came flashing through the brush at well over 30mph, on an intercept course with my front wheel. The dog had started out at the top of the hill when it heard me and still had a lead when it hit the road. The dog was approaching from my left, and was running full tilt to get to my bike on the other side of the road before I went by. Rover was looking back at me to calculate the final trajectory. Too bad it didn't notice the car approaching at 50+mph from the other direction. I got a closeup view of the our poor canine friend's noggin careening off the front bumper, smacking the asphalt, and getting runover by the front tire. It managed a pretty good yelp, just before impact. (peripheral imminent doom?) I guess the driver didn't see me or they probably would have swerved into my lane. The squeegeed pup actually got up and headed back home, but I haven't seen it since. Sniff. Sometimes Fate sees you and smiles. -Rick ";-1;0 "From: ez005997@othello.ucdavis.edu (Oppy) Subject: Info. on Genoa 8500 vlb card or other low-end vlb? Originator: ez005997@othello.ucdavis.edu Organization: University of California, Davis Distribution: usa Lines: 16 I am looking for an inexpensive vlb card, and have yet to run across any real reviews of them. One of the cards the local stores are pushing is the Genoa 8500 for $125-140. Apparently it uses a Cirrus Logic acc. chip, but I don't know which one (GD5426?). One of the shops I've spoken with claims the card out-performs the Diamond Stealth 24 vl and the Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 plus vl cards (S3 86C805 based), but that can't be true if it is using the GD5426. I like the price of the Genoa 8500, but if it lags in performance behind the S3 cards, I'll pay the extra $50 for one of them. Any info. on low end vlb cards would be appreciated. If I get replies via email, I'll post summary info. if anyone else is interested. Thanks in advance, Brian Oppy (bjoppy@ucdavis.edu) ";-1;0 "From: michel@crnsu1.IN2p3.FR (6893) Subject: creating a GIF file. Organization: The Internet Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu We are looking for a X client which can convert a xwd or a bitmap file into a gif file for use on a Macintosh. Thanks michel@crnsu1.in2p3.fr Laurent MICHEL CRN - GTI BP 20 67037 STRASBOURG cedex (France) Phone (33) 88 28 62 76 ";-1;0 "From: wally@Auspex.COM (Wally Bass) Subject: Re: Date is stuck Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara Lines: 35 Nntp-Posting-Host: alpha1-e5.auspex.com In article <1993Apr19.055039.29715@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au> oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni) writes: [stuff deleted] >Did I once hear that in order for the date to advance, something, like a >clock, *has* to make a Get Date system call? Apparently, the clock >hardware interrupt and BIOS don't do this (date advance) automatically. The >Get Date call notices that a ""midnight reset"" flag has been set, and then >then advances the date. > >Anybody with more info? There are two 'problems': (1) the BIOS TOD routine which updates the BIOS clock uses only 1 bit for day increment, so a second wrapping of the clock past midnight will get lost if no one calls the BIOS to read the clock in the meantime, and (2) the BIOS resets the day wrap indicator on the first 'get date' call from ANYBODY (after the wrap indicator has been set). So unless the first BIOS 'get date' call after midnight is done by the DOS 'kernel' (which is the only part of DOS which knows how to increment the date, the day wrap indication is normally lost. My guess is that Kevin's 'menu' system uses BIOS calls to read the clock (in order to display the time), and is hence the entity which causes the day wrap indication to get lost. Even if the 'menu' system 'notices' the day 'wrap' (which I think is indicated by a non-zero value in AL), there really isn't any particularly good way to tell DOS about it, so that DOS can update the day. The menu system 'should' use DOS calls to get the time, which would cause the DOS 'kernel' to do the BIOS call, and the wrap indicator would hence be processed properly. Possibly, though, the 'menu' system can't easily use DOS calls for time, because DOS is not reentrant, and perhaps time incrementing ofters occur while the 'menu' system is 'inside' some other DOS call. Wally Bass ";-1;0 "From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: > >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day > in Texas. Do YOU eat all your food cold? -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... ";-1;0 "From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu> mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes: >Also > someone should have told David and his followers that if they can't the heat > then they should stay out of the kitchen!! (pun intended) > This tops the cold-hearted bastard list! Unbelievable! Had this countries morals sunk this low, that the death of innocent people is so callously viewed? > Flame off > > "" Aaah Daniaalson yah wanna fight, fight me!!"" > -- > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Matthew R. Hamilton | mhamilto@mcs.kent.edu | A.K.A | > | CS/ Physics Major | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | (The Lawnmowerman) | > | Kent State University | 1299h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | | > | | > | Look here for future advice.quotes.sayings.jibberish.philosohy | > | | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 ";-1;0 "From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Subject: Re: Bat-helmet. Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Distribution: world Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937 Lines: 49 CBD>From: Christopher Bradley Devlin CBD>>but it's nothing compared to the (ahem) unique helmet CBD>>design seen in the new Animated Series: it has a huge opening for his CBD>>mouth, topped by the world's tiniest eyeslits above the enormous mouth CBD>>opening. Batman's helmet probably cuts you down to about 12 degrees of CBD>>unrestricted vision. With a helmet like this, he might just be better CBD>>off with the leather cap/mask thingy. CBD>C'mon, Batman doesn't need to SEE. He's Batman. CBD>Did you notice he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain? So let's see what we have on the Batdude so far: He has a weird helmet. He drags his knee in corners (thanks, Cookson, but how does he do it? Hidden Bat-pucks?), and he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain. Also, he lets Robin ride! I think I could have used a Bat-mom. Would have made getting my license a lot easier! There's a trend here: Stylish helmet, Stylish knee-dragging, rides only in Stylish cartoon precipitation. Hmm . . . Could it be that we're dealing with a veritable airborne mammalian poseur? Dare I say it, a BAT-SQUID?? (huh? Bat-Squid?) It all adds up now . . . Let's make the B-man an honorary DoD DuDe. All he needs is a DoD sticker. Actually, anyone have an address for Batman's current artists, both comic book and animated series? We'll write and ask if Batman would like to become an honorary Denizen! Yeah! Special To The KoTL: Is there a precedent for inducting an imaginary member with an imaginary motorcycle? Having seen the computers in the Bat-Cave, I think we can safely assume that he also has imaginary Internet access. Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . * SLMR 2.1a * My (virtual) reality check just bounced. ---- +===============================================================+ |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| +===============================================================+ ";-1;0 "From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: BDI Experience Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 29 Sebastian C Sears, on the Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:32:13 GMT wibbled: : ... Came around a right hand sweeper (going around : 45 mph) only to find a cager going around 30 mph, calmly driving : along, with no other traffic around, in *my* lane. Not crossing : the line, not swerving, fully and totally within the south-bound : lane of 9W (one lane each direction). And I haven't even got there yet. Must have been some other Brit... -- Nick (the English Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Left is Right M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| ";-1;0 "From: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask) Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask) Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Lines: 44 werdna@cco.caltech.edu (Andrew Tong) writes: >mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes: > >>Question 2: This attitude god character seems awfully egotistical >>and proud. But Christianity tells people to be humble. What's the deal? > >Well, God pretty much has a right to be ""egotistical and proud."" I >mean, he created _you_, doesn't he have the right to be proud of such >a job? > >Of course, people don't have much of a right to be proud. What have >they accomplished that can match God's accomplishments, anyways? How >do their abilities compare with those of God's. We're an ""imbecile >worm of the earth,"" to quote Pascal. Grumblegrumble... >If you were God, and you created a universe, wouldn't you be just a >little irked if some self-organizing cell globules on a tiny planet >started thinking they were as great and awesome as you? unfortunately the logic falls apart quick: all-perfect > insulted or threatened by the actions of a lesser creature > actually by offspring > ??????????????????? How/why shuold any all-powerful all-perfect feel either proud or offended? Anything capable of being aware of the relationship of every aspect of every particle in the universe during every moment of time simultaneously should be able to understand the cause of every action of every 'cell globule' on each tniy planet... >Well, actually, now that I think of it, it seems kinda odd that God >would care at all about the Earth. OK, so it was a bad example. But >the amazing fact is that He does care, apparently, and that he was >willing to make some grand sacrifices to ensure our happiness. ""All-powerful, Owner Of Everything in the Universe Makes Great Sacrifices"" makes a great headline but it doesn't make any sense. What did he sacrifice? Where did it go that he couldn't get it back? If he gave something up, who'd he give it up to? -chris [you guys have fun, I'm agoin' to Key West!!] ";-1;0 "From: ns14@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Nathan Otto Siemers) Subject: Re: Analgesics with Diuretics In-Reply-To: dyer@spdcc.com's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 03:28:57 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: crux3.cit.cornell.edu Organization: Department of Chemistry, Cornell Univ. Lines: 34 >>>>> On Tue, 6 Apr 1993 03:28:57 GMT, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) said: | In article Lawrence Curcio writes: |>I sometimes see OTC preparations for muscle aches/back aches that |>combine aspirin with a diuretic. | You certainly do not see OTC preparations advertised as such. | The only such ridiculous concoctions are nostrums for premenstrual | syndrome, ostensibly to treat headache and ""bloating"" simultaneously. | They're worthless. |>The idea seems to be to reduce |>inflammation by getting rid of fluid. Does this actually work? | That's not the idea, and no, they don't work. I *believe* there is a known synergism between certain analgesics and caffiene. For treating pain, not inflammation. Now that I am an ibuprofen convert I haven't taken it for some time, but excedrin really works! (grin) Nathan | -- | Steve Dyer | dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer -- ......:bb|`:||, nathan@chemres.tn.cornell.edu ... .||: `||bbbbb .. ,:` .``""P$$$ .||. , . ` .`P$ ";-1;0 "From: 93jll@williams.edu (Teflon X) Subject: Re: Zane!!Rescue us from Simmons!! Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: hancock.cc.williams.edu In article Mamatha Devineni Ratnam writes: >So far Simmons looks like a total idiot. >5) Leyland should accept a part of the blame for the LaValliere situation. I >can't understand his and management's fear of losing Tom Prince through >waivers. Even if they do, what's the use. He is aright hander like Slaught. >Not a very smart platoon. Also, I am blaming Leyland in this case, since he is hcurrently convinced that LaVAlliere is through, while giving him >way too much time last year in the regular season AND the playoffs(SLaught >should have played in all 7 games; he has a good average against right handed >pitching). Didn't Leyland and Simmons forsee this last year, and attempt to >trade LaValliere last year itself? Any fool could tell them LaVAlliere >wasn't very fit last year. Sorry, but this is the biggest load of bunk I've seen in a while. a) The Pirates have been trying to trade LaValliere for some time now. Nobody was even vaguely interested. b) Several other teams had made it known that they would grab Prince, who was out of options. c) LaValliere's release had nothing to do with him being through. He was released, because, in the event of an injury to Slaught, LaValliere is no longer capable (they believe) of being the everyday catcher. Since Slaught is as good against righties as he is against lefties, the offense should actually improve with this move. Toby ";14;1 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Armenians will not get away with the genocide of 204,000 Azeri people. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 163 In article <1993Apr20.190606.13801@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: DA] Armenia is involved in fighting with Azarbaijan. It is Armenian DA] soldiers from mainland Armenia that are shelling towns in Azarbaijan. > Well, this is your opinion ! Are you related to 'Arromdian' of ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle? If you feel that you can simply act as a fascist Armenian governmental crony in this forum you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact. This time, fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government will not get away with the genocide of 204,000 Azeri men, women and children. Not a chance. > The SUNDAY TIMES 8 March 1992 > Morgues fill as Azeris head for all-out war ------------------------------------------- > Thomas Goltz, the first to report the massacre by Armenian soldiers in the worst violence since the breakup of the Soviet Union, reports from Agdam ------ > Khojaly used to be a barren town, with empty shops and treeless dirt roads. Yet it was still home to thousands of people who, in happier times, tended fields and flocks of geese. Last week it was wiped off the map. > ....... > As sickening reports trickled in to the Azerbaijani border town of Agdam, and the bodies piled up in the morgues, there was little doubt that Khojaly and the stark foothills and gullies around it had been the site of the most terrible massacre since the Soviet Union broke apart. ....... > I was the last Westerner to visit Khojaly. That was in january and people were predicting their fate with grim resignation. Zumrut Ezoya, a mother of four on board the helicopter that ferried us into the town, called her community ""sitting ducks, ready to get shot"". She and her family were among the victims of the massacre on February 26. ....... > ""The Armenians have taken all the outlying villages, one by one, and the government does nothing."" Balakisi Sakikov, 55, a father of five, said. ""Next they will drive us out or kill us all,"" said Dilbar, his wife. The couple, their three sons and three daughters were killed in the assault, as were many other people I had spoken to. ...... > ""It was close to the Armenian lines we knew we would have to cross. There was a road, and the first units of the column ran across then all hell broke loose. Bullets were raining down from all sides. we had just entered their trap."" > The azeri defenders picked off one by one. Survivors say that Armenian forces then began a pitiless slaughter, firing at anything moved in the gullies. A video taken by an azeri cameraman, wailing and crying as he filmed body after body, showed a grizzly trail of death leading towards higher, forested ground where the villagers had sought refuge from the Armenians. > ""The Armenians just shot and shot and shot,"" said Omar Veyselov, lying in hospital in Agdam with sharapnel wounds. ""I saw my wife and daughter fall right by me."" > People wandered through the hospital corridors looking for news of the loved ones. Some vented their fury on foreigners: "" Where is my daughter, where is my son ?"" wailed a mother. ""Raped. Butchered. Lost."" > Azerbaijan has said as many as 1,000 refugees were killed as they tried to flee. The Armenians have denied this, saying the civilians were caught in ""crossfire"". ....... > Source: The Times, 2 March 1992. CORPSES LITTER HILLS IN KARABAKH ANATOL LIEVEN COMES UNDER FIRE WHILE FLYING WITH AZERBAIJANI FORCES TO INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGED MASS KILLINGS OF REFUGEES BY ARMENIAN TROOPS... As we swooped low over the snow-covered hills of Nagorno-Karabagh we saw the scattered corpses. Apparently, the refugees had been shot down as they ran. An Azerbaijani film of the places we flew over, shown to journalists afterwards, showed DOZENS OF CORPSES lying in various parts of the hills. The Azerbaijanis claim that AS MANY AS 1000 have died in a MASS KILLING of AZERBAIJANIS fleeing from the town of Khodjaly, seized by Armenians last week. A further 4,000 are believed to be wounded, frozen to death or missing... Seven of us squatted in the cabin of an Azerbaijani M24 attack helicopter as we flew to investigate the claims of the mass killings. Suddenly there was a thump against the underside of the aircraft, a red flash of tracer ripped past the starboard wing, and the helicopter rocked sharply. We swung round, and there was a deafening burst of fire from the cannon under our wing as the helicopter crew returned fire. We had been fired on from an Armenian anti-aircraft post. We swung round again, tipped to starboard and appeared to dive straight down into a valley. The brown earth swooped around our heads, the helicopter swung round again and followed the contours of the ground. Our cannon fired repeated blasts. Later it emerged that a civilian helicopter that we had been escorting had landed successfully at Nakhichevanik in the east of the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, to pick up some of the dead. We had, in fact, been attacked both by ground fire and by an Armenian helicopter. I had seen the Armenian helicopter intermittently through the window, its cannons firing, but had thought - mistakenly - that it was on ""our side"". Our group of Western journalists had embarked on a search-and-rescue flight that had become a combat mission. Our flight consisted of the civilian passenger helicopter and two M24 Soviet attack helicopters in the Azerbaijani service, nicknamed flying crocodiles for their armour. Our party was in the second crocodile. The civilian helicopter's job was to land in the mountains and pick up bodies at sites of the mass killings. The attack helicopters were there to give covering fire if necessary. The operation showed a striking sign of the disintegration of the Soviet armed forces because our pilot was a Russian officer. An Azerbaijani official told us that there were now five former Soviet military helicopters -and their pilots- fighting for Azerbaijan. ""They have signed contracts to fly for us,"" he said. The helicopter we engaged in combat was most probably flown by a brother-officer of our Russian pilot, but fighting for the Armenians. We had taken off just before 5pm on Saturday from Agdam airfield, an heated for the Armenian-controlled mountains of Karabakh, a sheer white wall in the distance. The civilian helicopter picked up four corpses, and it was during this and a previous mission that an Azerbaijani cameraman filmed the several the several dozen bodies on the hillsides. We then took off again in a hurry and speed back towards Azerbaijani lines. Azerbaijani gunners on the last hill before the plain - and safety - gazed up at us as we passed. Back at the airfield in Agdam, we took a look the bodies the civilian helicopter had picked up. Two old men a small girl were covered with blood, their limbs contorted by the cold and rigor mortis. They had been shot. What did our Russian pilot think of the tragedy, our close shave, and the war in Nagorno-Karabakh? He gave us CHEERFUL GRIN, POLITELY DECLINED TO ANSWER QUES TIONS, AND MARCHED OFF TO HIS DINNER. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Distribution: na Lines: 22 In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >In article >tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: > >>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Isn't this just a little melodramatic? Not at all. Two weeks ago I registered a concern about some programming that was being conducted by a student organisation here at the University of Texas at San Antonio. As a result, I was interrogated by the capus police, who also attempted to create a positive-identification file (photo, fingerprints, etc.). I refused to permit this, and filed a complaint with the University administration. The Vice-President for Business Affairs (the 'boss' of the campus police) stated that he had no interest in the legal/Constitutional implications of those actions. -- The greatest threat facing the citizens of the United States in the decade of the 90s is the United States Government; at all levels -- Federal, State, Local [All opinions are mine, and I reserve the right to deny them at any time - WWH] ";-1;0 "From: his3rrb@cabell.vcu.edu (Robert R. Bower) Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Expires: Sat, 15 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT Lines: 19 Didn't McDonald's sell copies of ""Dances with Wovies"" for $7 not too long ago? They were also selling ""Babes in Toyland"" (the SCOTT BAIO version!) and something even more forgettable. Just think: video drive-thru........ ""I'll take a McRib, a McChicken, and a copy of Debbie Does McDallas to go"" ""Do you want fries and napkins with that?"" --Bob (his3rrb@caball.vcu.edu) ""After this post, I'm really going to start studying.......really..."" ";-1;0 "From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) Subject: Re: FYI - BATF reply on Waco Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 8 The San Francisco Examiner reports that Clinton has issued instructions to federal law enforcement that they may not kill or injure anyone to resolve the Waco situation. So they've built a fence around the compound, and are now seriously considering building up the fence to prison-camp levels, pulling out most of the manpower, and waiting however many months it takes. John Nagle ";3;1 "From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 41 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research writes: |> |> From: Center for Policy Research |> Subject: Unconventional peace proposal |> |> |> A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. |> ---------------------------------------------------------- by |> Elias Davidsson This could be accomplished by other criteria. One must remember that children often bring stress into households. As an alternative, one could consider financial incentives for every sexual act performed by two partners of different ethnic backgrounds. The plan could be entitled ""PEACE INCOME SEXUAL SECURITY"", or PISS for short. Every time an Israeli gets screwed by a Palestinian or visa versa, they would be eligible for income. In keeping with the spirit of the times, condoms would be a tax deductible expense. This policy does not discriminate on a gender basis nor would it apply to domestic animals of either nationality. Joint Palestinan-Israeli teams would be obligated to ensure that all acts were voluntary and promptly rewarded. The teams of Palestinian-Israel Morals Patrols, or PIMPS, would receive a percentage of the financial income in order to encourage their participation and add to their incentive in locating suitable candidates. |> I would be thankful for critical comments to the above proposal as |> well for any dissemination of this proposal for meaningful ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shouldn't that be insemination? |> Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. Cambridge, MA | ";-1;0 "From: schabel@calspan.com (Dave Schabel) Subject: Re: Gun Nuts and Holly Silva Article-I.D.: calspan.1993Apr5.215700.4600 Organization: Calspan Advanced Technology Center Lines: 45 Nntp-Posting-Host: riemann-gw In article irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: >In article <1993Apr1.010834.4326@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) writes: >>Both the "" Gun Nuts"" and the gays are aggressively defensive and quite >>hostile to any one trying to deprive them of their rights. Just like >>any group trying to protect their rights. > >The fallacy of this whole thing is that YOUR RIGHTS ARE NOT IN JEAPARDY >BY THESE POSTS. How can you say that? I presume that you mean that talking about restricting rights is not the same as restricting those rights. Well, arguing for those restrictions may lead to implementation, much the same way as assault can lead to battery (legal definitions). >Most t.p.g people and the homosexual groups won't even >discuss the subject at all in a polite form. The mere raising of a question >as to why the rights are there or what exactly the 'right' encompasses >bring shrill posts and angry/hostile traffic. Well, I can't speak for the homosexuals, but I've seen ALOT of polite discussion on t.p.g. Please, everyone, don't take this guy's word, or mine for that matter, on it. Read t.p.g. for a while, and try to determine from which direction most of the flameage originates. If you post without flamebait, you will generally receive reasoned responses. True, there are those who tend to lose their tempers quickly, as there are on all newsgroups, but they really do feel their rights are in jeopardy. Oh, and neat trick talking derisively about another newsgroup while not crossposting to allow them to defend themselves. >I think a lot of t.p.g people have very thin skin when it comes to >discussing these subjects. Methinks you doth protest too much. Dave Schabel -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Schabel | Opinions and comments contained herein are mine and | schabel@calspan.com | do not necessarilly reflect those of Calspan Corp or | Located in Western NY| its customers. | ";-1;0 "From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan Organization: Shell Oil Lines: 36 In article dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) writes: > That argument would be more compelling if it were not for the >Ishtar eggs and Ishtar bunnies. Why mix pagan fertility symbols from the >worship of the pagan goddess of fertility with Biblical belief? What >would really be lost if all of you were to just drop the word ""Easter"" and >replace all such occurances with ""Resurrection Sunday""? Would you not >show up for services if they were called ""Resurrection Sunday Services"" >rather than ""Easter Services""? There is another way to view this. The True Celebration is Easter, the Resurrection of Our Lord. This has been true from the foundation of the world. Pagan practices are then either: 1. foreshadowings of the True Celebration of the Resurrection, in which dim light was shone forth so that people would recognize the full truth when it was manifested, OR 2. satanic counterfeits intended to deceive us so that we would not recognize the truth when it was manifested. I don't believe the second argument, because I believe in the power of the Resurrection, the fulfillment of the Incarnation, and our hope. Earlier or parallel ideas in other religions clearly are dim images of the truth of the Resurrection. As Paul states, we see through a glass darkly. So do others. It serves no purpose arguing about who has the darker or lighter glass. The foreshadowings are not perfect. So what? Our understnding of God is today imperfect, for we are not yet perfected. Theosis is not a gift such that WHAM, we're perfect. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ------- Lawrence Overacker Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965 llo@shell.com ";-1;0 "From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) Subject: Re: DESIGNATED HITTER RULE Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 17 In ekdfc@ttacs1.ttu.edu (David Coons) writes: >In <1993Apr4.221228.17577@bsu-ucs> 00ecgillespi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes: >>I AM DOING A POSTITION PAPER ON THE DESIGNATED HITTER RULE. ANY INFORMATION >>OR EVEN OPINIONS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECITATED. 00ECGILLESPIE ""MAGIC"" >Should be rescinded. The rules say baseball is a game between two teams of >nine players each. Let's keep it that way. Not any more the rules don't say that. So that's a pretty dumb argument. -- David M. Nieporent | ""Only one thing wrong with theory... niepornt@phoenix. | Is stupid! Is stupidest theory I ever heard!"" princeton.edu | --------------------- Baltimore Orioles 93 | Who's the dangerous cult -- the BDs or the BATF? ";-1;0 "From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" Article-I.D.: dsi.1pq6skINNhi4 Distribution: usa Organization: Decision Support Inc. Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: dsi.dsinc.com In article <1993Apr3.221101.25314@midway.uchicago.edu> shou@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >In article <1pi0dhINN8ub@dsi.dsinc.com> perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) writes: >>Bigots never concede that their bigotry is irrational; it >>is other people who determine that by examining their arguments. >[...] >No! I expected it! You've set yourself up a wonderful little >world where a bigot is whomever you say it is. This is very >comfortable for you--imagine, never having to entertain an >argument against your belief system. Simply accuse the person >making of being a bigot. Well, this particular thread of vituperation slopped its venom over into alt.atheism, where we spend most of our time entertaining arguments against our belief system, without resorting to accusing others of bigotry. It's somewhat ironic that our exposure to bigotry happens in this instance to have originated in rec.scouting, since I always understood scouting to teach tolerance and diversity. I understand bigotry to be irrational prejudice against other people who happen to be of a different race, religion, ethnic background, sex, or other inconsequential characteristics. All the evidence I've seen indicates that sexual orientation and lack of belief in gods are exactly such inconsequential characteristics. Thus, pending further evidence, I conclude that those who show prejudice against such people are bigots, and organizations that exclude such people are discriminatory. -- Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours. ";9;1 "From: Wingert@vnet.IBM.COM (Bret Wingert) Subject: Re: Level 5? Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Co. Software Services Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 <1993Apr23.124759.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> Lines: 29 In <1993Apr23.124759.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey writes: >In article <19930422.121236.246@almaden.ibm.com>, Wingert@vnet.IBM.COM (Bret Wingert) writes: >> 3. The Onboard Flight Software project was rated ""Level 5"" by a NASA team. >> This group generates 20-40 KSLOCs of verified code per year for NASA. > >Will someone tell an ignorant physicist where the term ""Level 5"" comes >from? It sounds like the RISKS Digest equivalent of Large, Extra >Large, Jumbo... Or maybe it's like ""Defcon 5..."" > >I gather it means that Shuttle software was developed with extreme >care to have reliablility and safety, and almost everything else in >the computing world is Level 1, or cheesy dime-store software. Not >surprising. But who is it that invents this standard, and how come >everyone but me seems to be familiar with it? Level 5 refers to the Carnegie-Mellon Software Engineering Institute's Capability Maturity Model. This model rates software development org's from1-5. with 1 being Chaotic and 5 being Optimizing. DoD is beginning to use this rating system as a discriminator in contracts. I have more data on thifrom 1 page to 1000. I have a 20-30 page presentation that summarizes it wethat I could FAX to you if you're interested... Bret Wingert Wingert@VNET.IBM.COM (713)-282-7534 FAX: (713)-282-8077 ";-1;0 "From: cmk@world.std.com (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: The Tories could win the ""lottery""...Clinton GST? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 41 (oh boy. it's the [in]famous Phill Hallam-Baker.) In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: } } In article <1993Apr15.053553.16427@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: } } |>cmk@world.std.com (Charles M Kozierok) writes: } |>>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: } |>... but like ""basic plus"" cable, you have to tell them that you don't } |>want it ... for example, Hutterite colonies in western Canada are not } |>part of it (Mennon and Hutter were fundamentalist Protestants from } |>Germany whose followers left for the New World ... Mennonites are a } |>very diverse lot while Hutterites are similiar to the Amish). The } |>American idea being floated today gives you no option but to live } |>off the land ... } |> } |>>the selfish bastards that they are. unfortunately, that number has } |>>diminished recently, but once President Pinocchio gets through } |>>with us, i hope for a reversal of trend. } } Well here we have the right hoping for more selfish bastards. Pity they } don't look at what 12 years of the Regan/Bush ""selfish Bastard"" ecconomy } has done to the country. how about what 25 years of tax-and-spend, big government, institutionalized dependency, and out-of-control good intentions at others' expense has done to the country? } } Elect a selfish bastard government and they will run the country for themselves, } thats why they are selfish bastards. Bush and Regan gave tax breaks for the } ultra rich and paid for them by borrowing against the incomes of the middle } class. yeah, right. and Clinton is any different? please. he is just a better lia... i mean, politician. you think Slick and his gang of elitist socialist academics will lead us to the promised land? don't hold your breath. -*- charles ";-1;0 "From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Religion and homosexuality Keywords: being liberal Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Distribution: usa Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr5.182411.7621@midway.uchicago.edu> dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >First of all as far as I know, only male homosexuality is explicitly >mentioned in the bibles, so you're off the hook there, Actually, there is one condemnation of lesbian acts in the Bible, Romans 1:26. I think. In >any event, there are *plenty* of people in many denominations who >do not consider a person's sexual identification of gay/lesbian/bisexual >as an ""immoral lifestyle choice"" There are plenty who don't read the Bible. Or pray for that matter. Link Hudson. ";-1;0 "From: Earl D. Fife Subject: Re: SE/30 acc & graphics card? X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 05:13:14 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: 153.106.4.43 Organization: Calvin College X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 Lines: 25 In article <2BCF3DD9.8771@ics.uci.edu> Matt Madsen, mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu writes: > Are there any graphics cards for the SE/30 that also have, say, an 040 > accelerator? There seem to be plenty of accelerator/graphics cards for > the _SE_, but none (that I've seen) for the SE/30. > The DayStar PowerCache for the SE/30 replaces the CPU with an accelerated CPU plus the powercache. This leavese the PDS slot open for a video card. Currenty, DayStar does not have the '040 in this configuration, but it is due out early next year. With their upgrade policy, you can get the '030 accelerator now, and when the '040 version becomes available, you get credit for the one you have. I am running their 50 MHz version with FPU along with a Radius Precision Color Pivot and I'm very satisfied. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Earl D. Fife | Department of Mathematics fife@calvin.edu | Calvin College (616)957-6403 | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 ========================================================================= ";-1;0 "From: ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca (Emile Woo) Subject: Help! - Disappearing Groups!!! Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca Salutations! I don't usually subscribe to these newsgroups so I would really appreciate it if someone could possibly e-mail me the answer to my problem. I have been using Windows 3.1 since buying it last winter but I have just now come across an annoying bug. I now have about 8 different groups in program manager but it seems that everytime I install something new that makes a new group, it promptly disappears after I turn of windows! This happened when I installed Excel and WinFax Pro v.3. They both created their own groups but when I turned off windows and reran them, they were gone. I had to manually pull them up as new items and put them in a previously existing group as all new gropus disappear as soon as I turn off windows. my set up: precision 386dx-25 w/ 4 megs Trident 8900c with 1 meg Windows 3.1 running in 800x600 colour mode logitech mouseman Thank you in advance! Emile Woo ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Emile Woo, Student Representative to Senate | .sig unavailable. Holding Internet: ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca | referendum to decide politic- Tel: 822-6101 | ally correct witticism. ";-1;0 "From: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ) Subject: Re: Where to buy Pentium motherboard? Lines: 13 Organization: Dakota State University Lines: 13 >Has anybody bought a Pentium motherboard? If so or you where I can >buy it, please send me a E-mail. Thank you in advance. Pentium processors / motherboards are not available to the general public as of yet. Intel has released them to companies such as Gateway and Dell to do testing, etc. It'll be a while... ------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Bitz Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu Research and Development bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu Dakota State University Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet ";-1;0 "From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) Subject: Re: Pro-abortion feminist leader endorses trashing of free speech rights Organization: NCSU Lines: 71 In article gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes: >dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes: >> 51 Arrested for Defying Judge's Order at Abortion Protest Rally >> The Miami Herald, April 11, 1993 >> >> Circuit Judge Robert McGregor's order prohibits anti-abortion pickets >> within 36 feet of the property line of Aware Woman Center for Choice. >> Even across the street, they may not display pictures of dead fetuses >> or sing or chant loud enough to be heard by patients inside the clinic. > Several years ago, Justice William O. Douglas, who was > about as libertarian as you can get about free-speech > and similar issues, wrote a majority opinion in which > the Supreme Court turned down an appeal by a group of > people who had been prohibited from demonstrating in > front of their landlord's home. Do you have a cite for the case? You don't give enough information to be able to compare the two situations. If the demonstrators had been blaring loud rock music into the landlord's home all day and night, then I could see how the opinion would be justified. But this court order had prohibited abortion protesters from displaying pictures of dead fetuses, which doesn't disrupt the privacy of anyone inside the clinic. > He pointed out that > people have a right to be free _from_ speech, Perhaps in the privacy of their homes, but not on public property. Did the Korean grocery store owner in New York city have a right to be free from the speech of the protesters outside his store? Patrons inside the store could hear the protesters asking them to re-consider shopping there -- how is that different from the abortion protesters asking women to re-consider getting an abortion at a clinic? > Harassment goes beyond > expression to direct attack on particular persons, > in this case the workers and clients at a clinic. > Its purpose is clearly not to convey information or > express an opinion, but to intimidate and do harm to > other others. Even if the protesters' speech could be considered ""harassment"" (which it is not), hate speech laws have generally been struck down by the courts. I don't see how the words ``don't kill your baby'' or ``abortion is murder'' could be considered harassment. > Anti-abortionists have lost the battle for public > opinion, and the more psychopathic among them have > turned to harassment, arson, bombing and murder to > carry on their war. There is no reason not to > restrain them to protect the ordinary civil rights > of everyone else. Some of the protesters were arrested for simply praying quietly on a public sidewalk. Yeah, I could see how that might be equivalent to ""bombing"" and ""murder"". Uh huh. Let us know when you get a grip on reality. > )*( Gordon Fitch )*( gcf@panix.com )*( >( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta., NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 ) Doug Holtsinger ";-1;0 "From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) Subject: Re: Eugenics Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 7 In article <19617@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >we do this? Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived, >Arnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen? Even if we can. > Sure, as long as they'll make one for me. ";-1;0 "From: mlee@eng.sdsu.edu (Mike Lee) Subject: Wire-Amperage table needed Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: eng.sdsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Does anyone has a table about the size of the wire to the amount of current it can carry. Probably in the 1-15amp range. My friend is interested in converting a Mazda into an electric car. Needed information for estimation. Thanks in advance. p.s. any info on electric will be greatly appreaciated. ";-1;0 "From: sigma@rahul.net (Kevin Martin) Subject: Re: CView answers Keywords: Stupid Programming Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 26 In bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes: >In <1qlobb$p5a@tuegate.tue.nl> renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: >[Most info regarding dangers of reading from Floppy disks omitted] >>unrevcoverable way. SO BE CAREFUL! It is incredibly poor programming for a >>program to do this... >Nevertheless, it is an important bug that needs to be squashed. I am >merely pointing out that it was probably overlooked. While it is serious, >one must keep in mind that it will probably affect at most 5% of the >targeted users of CView. OK, I don't use CView anymore, but I saw that no one had explaind this ""bug"" in the thread, so here goes: It is NOT the fault of CView. It is DOS! If you leave a file open on a floppy drive, then change the disk and do something which updates or closes that file, you have a good chance of getting part of the directory and FAT from the other disk written to the new disk. This has always been true, and has destroyed data under other programs, not just CView. The only thing CView can do to improve the situation is to try not to leave files open unless it's actively using them (ie, reading and decoding). -- Kevin Martin sigma@rahul.net ""I gotta get me another hat."" ";-1;0 "From: vgalvez@itesocci.gdl.ITeso.MX (Virginia Galvez) Subject: (none) Organization: The Internet Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: XPERT@Athena.MIT.EDU I am working on a problem of scheduling classroom, and I will like to know if you have some software, papers or articles about it. If you have something relate it, please let me know. thanks Lorenza Illanes ";-1;0 "From: Kirk_Cowen@panam.wimsey.bc.ca (Kirk Cowen) Subject: references... Distribution: world Organization: Commodore Computer Club / PaNorAmA Lines: 12 I've got the same problem; I can't dig up any info on the jumper settings on the hd 3.5"" drives. Can anyone recommend a reference book(s) on the subject, rather than a ""quick fix"" type answer?? I was going to start hooking up things and logging the results, but the prospect of a ten second smoke test deters me... Thanks, Kirk Cowen. -- Via DLG Pro v0.995 ";-1;0 "From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: sgi Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com In article <1qm069$fm8@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> In article <1qkndq$k@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> #In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: |> #|> In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: |> #|> # You have only pushed back the undefined meaning. You must now define |> #|> #what ""objective values"" are. |> #|> |> #|> Really? You don't know what objective value is? If I offered the people |> #|> of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that |> #|> sound like a good deal? |> # |> #You mean that if you can find a ridiculous price, the rest of |> #us are supposed to conclude that an objectively correct price |> #exists? |> |> I said nothing about the price. I asked if the deal was good. It isn't. So it was a complete non-sequitur, is that it? How does coming up with a derisory deal tell us anything about the existence of ""objective"" values. You're asking us to accept that the deal you offered would be turned down, and we believe that, not because we appeal to objective values but becasue we know, or think we know, something about people. All the people we know exhibit *subjective* values that would lead them to reject a deal of $1 for all of the land in America. Great. Now, so what? jon. ";19;1 "From: oaf@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Oded Feingold) Subject: Re: NEWS YOU WILL MISS, Apr 15 Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab. Lines: 18 Distribution: world Reply-To: oaf@zurich.ai.mit.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: klosters.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: arf@genesis.MCS.COM's message of 15 Apr 1993 22:51:03 -0500 Sorry, ARF - you dog, That news was suppressed because the Israeli national volleyball team repeatedly spiked it. Let this be a lesson to others not to invoke the wrath of sports nuts. (Brits lead the way in this regard, with ~220 casualties in the last 2 years.) Anyway, Yigal would never sue. His life is (presumably) so pristine that its most intimate details could be revealed without harm to anyone. Might even be good instruction for some people I can think of. Me, I _would_ sue! I hate the way sports dominates the media. Anyway, the last 3 ADL agents watching me die of boredom before filing their reports. I've damaged their Atlanta operation something fierce. ";-1;0 "From: disteli@inf.ethz.ch (Andreas Reto Disteli) Subject: S3 Nntp-Posting-Host: lillian-gw Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Lines: 40 Re: Problems with S3-initialization As described the manual the following steps must be done for th initialization of the S3 card. InitDisplay; (*BIOS-Call with AX-Reg = 4F02H with BX-Reg = 105H for 1024 x 768 x 256 resolution Interrupt 10H *) Unlock Register Lock 1 (CR38) (* For access to S3 Register Set *) Unlock Register Lock 2 (CR39) (* For access to Syst. Control and Syst. Extension Register *) Unlock Graphic Command Group (CR40) (* Set Bit 0 to 1 in Syst. Configuration Register *) Unlock Advanced Display Functions (* Set Bit 0 to 1 in Function Control Register *) After these operations the FIFO-stack of the S3 should be empty. When we watch the status (Graph. Proc. Status), we always get the value 0FH instead of 0H. Full would mean 0FFH (8 places occupied), empty would mean 0H (0 places occupied). It is possible to read this register in two different ways. Both times we get different results. Our machine is a 486 DX/2 with EISA bus and a S3 86C805 local bus. --> any ideas? Andreas Disteli Institut fuer Computersysteme, ETH Zuerich email: disteli@inf.ethz.ch ";-1;0 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Lindros will be traded!!! Article-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.142415.9567 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr5.163209.576@r-node.hub.org> shadow@r-node.hub.org (Jay Chu) writes: >True rumor. Fact! A big three way deal! > >Eric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators. And Senators get $15mill from >Montreal. > >Montreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators) > >Philly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick. > Another person incapable of rational thought! Gerald ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) Distribution: world,local Organization: University of Arizona Nntp-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 26 In article , kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes... >In article suopanki@stekt6.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki) writes: >>:> God is eternal. [A = B] >>:> Jesus is God. [C = A] >>:> Therefore, Jesus is eternal. [C = B] >> >>:> This works both logically and mathematically. God is of the set of >>:> things which are eternal. Jesus is a subset of God. Therefore >>:> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal. The first premise and the conclusion are not properly translated as identity statements, since the ""is"" in those statements is the ""is"" of predication rather than of identity. Instead, they should be translated using a predicate letter. Using ""g"" to designate God and ""j"" to designate Jesus, and the predicate letter ""E"" for the property of being eternal, the first premise is Eg and the conclusion is Ej. The second premise appears to contain an ""is"" of identity, in which case it can be properly symbolized as j = g. But your remark that ""Jesus is a subset of God"" suggests that strict identity is not desired here. If, however, the first premise means that all members making up the set God have the property of being eternal, the same conclusion follows. Jim Lippard Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Dept. of Philosophy Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 ";-1;0 "From: kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall) Subject: Looking for Women's Motorcycle Helmet Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Distribution: ba Lines: 11 I'm looking to buy a used motorcycle helmet. I'm interested in a full face shield, but not necessarily a helmet with the piece around the chin. Please email me directly. Janice Kendall kendall@adobe.com ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall ONWARD; THRU THE FOG! (TM) - Oat Willie's (TM) ";7;1 "From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) Subject: Delaunay Triangulation Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is? Is there any reference to it? Is it useful for creating 3-D objects? If yes, what's the advantage? Thanks in advance. Yeh USC ";1;1 "From: lungtt@gus.ecn.purdue.edu (Terence T. Lung) Subject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything? Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 6 I hear George Bush (remember him?) will receive an honors degree from some Kuwaiti University for contributing to certain Kuwaiti interests not too long ago. Do you think it would add much to his resume? ;-) ";-1;0 "From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (moz [chris moseley]) Subject: Re: Building a UV flashlight Nntp-Posting-Host: betelgeux.canterbury.ac.nz Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand Lines: 23 jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes: > My main question is the bulb: where can I get UV bulbs? Do they > need a lot of power? etc., etc. he ones I have seen are all fluorescent tubes. Maybe you could find a small tube to go in one of those hand-held fluoro lanterns? > One other thing: a friend of mine mentioned something about near-UV > light being cheaper to get at than actual UV light. Does anyone > know what he was referring to? Blue lights. Ultra-violet (by definition?) goes from the blue end of the spectrum that people see to the radio spectrum (X-rays, cosmic rays etc). possibly you could get light at the fringe of visibility (which people with false eye-lenses can see easily, since it's your lenses that soak up most of the UV), however since most people use UV to get other things to `glow', and the near-blue is less energetic, it would probably not work as well, if it worked at all. (lecture on basic atomic physics fits in here, about electron transitions (quantum leaps) and stuff. moz ";-1;0 "From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 18 >In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: > >It's Stankiewicz, not Stankowitz, and he's not Jewish - he's Polish >(by the way, the correct pronunciation - according to Stanky himself, >is ""ston-KEV-itch"". all the sportscasters get it wrong) > Polish and Jewish are *not* mutually exclusive. -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com ";-1;0 "From: michaelr@spider.co.uk (Michael S. A. Robb) Subject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything? Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK. Lines: 44 In article tkld@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Kevin Davidson) writes: > >> In my opinion, a programming degree is still worth having. > > Yes, but a CS degree is *not* a programming degree. Does anybody know of >a computing course where *programming* is taught ? Computer Science is >a branch of maths (or the course I did was). > I've also done a Software Engineering course - much more practical and likely >to be the sort of thing an employer really wants, rather than what they think >they want, but also did not teach programming. The ability to program was >an entry requirement. At Robert Gordon University, programming was the main (most time-consuming) start of the course. The first two years consisted of five subjects: Software Engineering (Pascal/C/UNIX), Computer Engineering (6502/6809/68000 assembler), Computer Theory (LISP/Prolog), Mathematics/Statistics and Communication Skills (How to pass interviews/intelligence tests and group discussions e.g. How to survive a helicopter crash in the North Sea). The third year (Industrial placement) was spent working for a computer company for a year. The company could be anywhere in Europe (there was a special Travel Allowance Scheme to cover the visiting costs of professors). The fourth year included Operating Systems(C/Modula-2), Software Engineering (C/8086 assembler), Real Time Laboratory (C/68000 assembler) and Computing Theory (LISP). There were also Group Projects in 2nd and 4th Years, where students worked in teams to select their own project or decide to work for an outside company (the only disadvantage being that specifications would change suddenly). In the first four years, there was a 50%:50% weighting between courseworks and exams for most subjects. However in the Honours year, this was reduced to a 30%:70% split between an Individual Project and final exams (no coursework assessment) - are all Computer Science courses like this? BTW - we started off with 22 students in our first year and were left with 8 by Honours year. Also, every course is tutored separately. Not easy trying to sleep when you are in 8 student class :-). Cheers, Michael -- | Michael S. A. Robb | Tel: +44 31 554 9424 | ""..The problem with bolt-on | Software Engineer | Fax: +44 31 554 0649 | software is making sure the | Spider Systems Limited | E-mail: | bolts are the right size.."" | Edinburgh, EH6 5NG | michaelr@spider.co.uk | - Anonymous ";-1;0 "From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 22 In article <1483500353@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: > >From: Center for Policy Research >Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis > > >Dear Josh > >I appreciate the fact that you sought to answer my questions. > >Having said that, I am not totally happy with your answers. > >1. You did not fully answer my question whether Israeli ID cards >identify the holders as Jews or Arabs. You imply that U.S. >citizens must identify themselves by RACE. Is that true ? Or are >just trying to mislead the reader ? I think he is trying to mislead people. In cases where race information is sought, it is completely voluntary (the census possibly excepted). -anwar ";-1;0 "From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks Organization: Connemara - Computing for People Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: Bcc: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk Status: OR In article nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes: >The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to >the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was >driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I >calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the >window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why). > >Did I do the right thing? Well, I used to get mad, and either try to communicate my anger to jerks, or to, uhm, educate them in how to improve their manners in traffic. Now I just try to get them off my tail. In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors. In traffic so heavy that there is no way for the jerk to pass, I might pull over, as if to look for a street number or name, (still ignoring the jerk) just to get the jerk off my tail. If this all sounds, well, wimpy or un-Denizenly or pessimistic, or perhaps (for any psych types) passive-aggressive, consider that I prefer to get my adrenaline jollies from riding, rather than from yelling at jerks. A ride can improve my whole day, while yelling at a jerk is likely (for me) to ruin my ride or my day with my own anger. In the worst case, yelling at the jerk could ruin my life - since even a tiny jerk in a cage behind me is better armed (with the cage) than I am on a bike. On the other hand, you might try subtly arranging to be the last vehicle to legally cross one or more intersections, leaving the jerk waiting for cross traffic (and thus off your tail), or crossing illegally (hopefully in front of the waiting police). Like almost everything here, your choices and mileage will vary. -- Denis McKeon galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu ";-1;0 "From: stevevr@tt718.ecs.comm.mot.com (Steve Vranyes) Subject: Re: TeleUse, UIM/X, and C++ Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.155.12 Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr1.213842.6086@ctp.com>, hubec@ctp.com (Hubert Chou) writes: |> Does anyone have any good ideas on how to integrate C++ code elegantly |> with TeleUse, UIM/X / Interface Architect generated code? |> |> Source would be great, but any suggestions are welcome. |> |> |> Hubie Chou |> (617) 374-8454 |> hubec@ctp.com |> I don't know a great deal about the support for C++ in UIM/X, but I can tell you that there is good support for it in TeleUSE. In TeleUSE you can call any C++ method from a ""D"" module. What you can do then is to use the ""D"" language for most of your interface code and then use C++ for you application code. I should tell you that there is some real neat stuff coming out of TeleUSE soon in regard to C++, but I can't give you many details. You should talk to your local sales rep and get the lowdown on what they will be doing in the near furture. If you want example code of how C++ integrates with TeleUSE you should look at $TeleUSE/examples/Thermometer -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Steve Vranyes | |Voice : (708) 576 - 0338 | |E-mail : stevevr@ecs.comm.mot.com | |U.S.Post : Motorola Inc. | | 1301 E. Algonquin Rd. | | Schaumburg, IL 60196 | +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: dfegan@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Egan) Subject: Re: *** HELP I NEED SOME ADDRESSES *** Organization: LESC Lines: 19 In <1993Apr20.041300.21721@ncsu.edu> jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes: > I'm trying to get mailing addresses for the following >companies. Specifically, I need addresses for their personnel >offices or like bureau. The companies are: > - Space Industries, Inc. (Somewhere in Houston) 101 Courageous Dr. Leage City, TX 77573 Phone: (713) 538-6000 Good Luck! Doug -- Doug Egan ""It's not what you got - Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Co. It's what you give."" Houston, TX -Tesla ***** email: egan@blkbox.com ***** ";-1;0 "Subject: Mives 4 Sale (update) From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu Lines: 15 VHS movie for sale Kevin Costner Dances withs Wolves Just open and was used once, $12.00 or best offer, buyer will have to pay shipping. ($1.00 for shipping) Let me know if you are interested, and send your offer to this e-mail address. Koutd@hirama.hiram.edu thanks, Douglas Kou Hiram College ";-1;0 "From: ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Ron Mastus) Subject: Problem with Adaptec 1542B SCSI and Jumbo Tape Drive Summary: Problem getting Jumbo Tape drive and Adaptec SCSI working together Keywords: SCSI CMS Jumbo Adaptec 1542B Tape Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 39 Hi, I've just replaced my existing DTC SCSI controller with an Adaptec 1542B, and am now having trouble restoring from a Jumbo 250 tape drive. I had no trouble installing the Adaptec and DOS recognises both the SCSI drive and an existing IDE drive - however when I went to restore the backups from the Jumbo tape I found that it was extremely slow (estimated time 3 mins actual time 15 min!) I have no trouble restoring from the same tape to the IDE drive. I seem to remember reading that some settings had to be changed to enable the Jumbo drive and the Adaptec to work together but I can't find any mention of it in the manuals. My system config is: i486DX/33 4Mb Adaptec 1542B running 180Mb Fujitsu SCSI IDE Controller running 200Mb IDE Jumbo 250 running off floppy controller on IDE Any help would be appreciated Thanks, Ron. (ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.oz.au) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Mastus ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.oz.au 41 Mariposa Rd Phone +61 2 ???-???? (work) Bilgola Plateau 2107 +61 2 918-8152 (home) Australia -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Mastus ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.oz.au 41 Mariposa Rd Phone +61 2 ???-???? (work) Bilgola Plateau 2107 ";5;1 "From: bailey@vader.egr.uri.edu (Scott Bailey) Subject: Re: Jacob's Ladder Summary: Jacob's Ladder and other projects Keywords: jacob's ladder,projects,book Organization: University of Rhode Island / College of Engineering Lines: 30 Hi all, I've been following this thread about jacob's ladder for a few weeks and I happened to come across one of the best project books that I've seen in a while. The book ""Gadgeteer's Goldmine"" by Gordon McComb offers over 55 excellent low cost projects including: Jacob's Ladder, tesla coils, plasma spheres, a Van de Graaff generator, robots, an IR scope, and several laser projects. The instructions come with complete part lists, warnings and diagrams. For those of you who are interested in building any of the above listed projects, you should seriously consider getting this book. The paperback version is only $19.95 too. For those who want more information: Title: Gadgeteer's Goldmine! 55 Space-Age Projects Auth: Gordon McComb Pub: TAB Books CW: 1990 ISBN: 0-8306-8360-7 0-8306-3360-X (paperback) Price: $19.95 (paperback) -Scott /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Scott A. Bailey | #include ""std_disclaimer.h"" | | ECL Operator |------------------------------------------------| | Computer Engineering | I'm just a knight who chases the moon... | | University of Rhode Island | Haven't caught it yet,but I haven't let that | | bailey@vader.egr.uri.edu | keep me from still trying each day and night | | bailey@ecl1.uri.edu | --(---------- ----------)-- | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ";-1;0 "From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: bailey.cpac.washington.edu In-reply-to: Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu's message of 15 Apr 1993 20:26:04 GMT In article Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (LaurieEWBrandt) writes: > Lets add to those percentages 13-15% for the Orphaic docterians brought to > the group by Paul/Saul who was a high ranking initiate. On the development > of Orphaic Mysteries, see Jane Harrisons .Prolegomena to the study of Greek > religion. Cambridge U Press 1922. and you can easly draw your own > conclusions. perhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument? josh ";-1;0 "From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: President's Radio Address 4.17.93 Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Lines: 178 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary (Pittsburgh, Pennslyvania) ______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 17, 1993 RADIO ADDRESS TO THE NATION BY THE PRESIDENT Pittsburgh International Airport Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 10:06 A.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. My voice is coming to you this morning through the facilities of the oldest radio station in America, KDKA in Pittsburgh. I'm visiting the city to meet personally with citizens here to discuss my plans for jobs, health care and the economy. But I wanted first to do my weekly broadcast with the American people. I'm told this station first broadcast in 1920 when it reported that year's presidential elections. Over the past seven decades presidents have found ways to keep in touch with the people, from whistle-stop tours to fire-side chats to the bus tour that I adopted, along with Vice President Gore, in last year's campaign. Every Saturday morning I take this time to talk with you, my fellow Americans, about the problems on your minds and what I'm doing to try and solve them. It's my way of reporting to you and of giving you a way to hold me accountable. You sent me to Washington to get our government and economy moving after years of paralysis and policy and a bad experiment with trickle-down economics. You know how important it is for us to make bold, comprehensive changes in the way we do business. We live in a competitive global economy. Nations rise and fall on the skills of their workers, the competitiveness of their companies, the imagination of their industries, and the cooperative experience and spirit that exists between business, labor and government. Although many of the economies of the industrialized world are now suffering from slow growth, they've made many of the smart investments and the tough choices which our government has for too long ignored. That's why many of them have been moving ahead and too many of our people have been falling behind. We have an economy today that even when it grows is not producing new jobs. We've increased the debt of our nation by four times over the last 12 years, and we don't have much to show for it. We know that wages of most working people have stopped rising, that most people are working longer work weeks and that too many families can no longer afford the escalating cost of health care. But we also know that, given the right tools, the right incentives and the right encouragement, our workers and businesses can make the kinds of products and profits our economy needs to expand opportunity and to make our communities better places to live. In many critical products today Americans are the low cost, high quality producers. Our task is to make sure that we create more of those kinds of jobs. Just two months ago I gave Congress my plan for long-term jobs and economic growth. It changes the old priorities in Washington and puts our emphasis where it needs to be -- on people's real needs, on increasing investments and jobs and education, on cutting the federal deficit, on stopping the waste which pays no dividends, and redirecting our precious resources toward investment that creates jobs now and lays the groundwork for robust economic growth in the future. These new directions passed the Congress in record time and created a new sense of hope and opportunity in our country. Then the jobs plan I presented to Congress, which would create hundreds of thousands of jobs, most of them in the private sector in 1993 and 1994, passed the House of Representatives. It now has the support of a majority of the United States Senate. But it's been held up by a filibuster of a minority in the Senate, just 43 senators. They blocked a vote that they know would result in the passage of our bill and the creation of jobs. The issue isn't politics; the issue is people. Millions of Americans are waiting for this legislation and counting on it, counting on us in Washington. But the jobs bill has been grounded by gridlock. I know the American people are tired of business as usual and politics as usual. I know they don't want us to spin or wheels. They want the recovery to get moving. So I have taken a first step to break this gridlock and gone the extra mile. Yesterday I offered to cut the size of this plan by 25 percent -- from $16 billion to $12 billion. It's not what I'd hoped for. With 16 million Americans looking for full-time work, I simply can't let the bill languish when I know that even a compromise bill will mean hundreds of thousands of jobs for our people. The mandate is to act to achieve change and move the country forward. By taking this initiative in the face of an unrelenting Senate talkathon, I think we can respond to your mandate and achieve a significant portion of our original goals. First, we want to keep the programs as much as possible that are needed to generate jobs and meet human needs, including highway and road construction, summer jobs for young people, immunization for children, construction of waste water sites, and aid to small businesses. We also want to keep funding for extended unemployment compensation benefits, for people who have been unemployed for a long time because the economy isn't creating jobs. Second, I've recommended that all the other programs in the bill be cut across-the-board by a little more than 40 percent. And third, I've recommended a new element in this program to help us immediately start our attempt to fight against crime by providing $200 million for cities and towns to rehire police officers who lost their jobs during the recession and put them back to work protecting our people. I'm also going to fight for a tough crime bill because the people of this country need it and deserve it. Now, the people who are filibustering this bill -- the Republican senators -- say they won't vote for it because it increases deficit spending, because there's extra spending this year that hasn't already been approved. That sounds reasonable, doesn't it? Here's what they don't say. This program is more than paid for by budget cuts over my five-year budget, and this budget is well within the spending limits already approved by the Congress this year. It's amazing to me that many of these same senators who are filibustering the bill voted during the previous administration for billions of dollars of the same kind of emergency spending, and much of it was not designed to put the American people to work. This is not about deficit spending. We have offered a plan to cut the deficit. This is about where your priorities are -- on people or on politics. Keep in mind that our jobs bill is paid for dollar for dollar. It is paid for by budget cuts. And it's the soundest investment we can now make for ourselves and our children. I urge all Americans to take another look at this jobs and investment program; to consider again the benefits for all of us when we've helped make more American partners working to ensure the future of our nation and the strength of our economy. You know, if every American who wanted a job had one, we wouldn't have a lot of the other problems we have in this country today. This bill is not a miracle, it's a modest first step to try to set off a job creation explosion in this country again. But it's a step we ought to take. And it is fully paid for over the life of our budget. Tell your lawmakers what you think. Tell them how important the bill is. If it passes, we'll all be winners. Good morning, and thank you for listening. END 10:11 A.M. EDT ";-1;0 "From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000 Article-I.D.: news.C51s16.ACz Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17 rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes: >Your best bet is the Dodge Intrepid with the SOHC 24 valve 3.4? six. >it gets 214 hp, and has a hell of a lot of room, great styling, and >ABS, with four wheel disk breaks. The LH cars won Automobile >magazines >""automobile of the year"" award, and are quiet impressive. Is the 24v LH under $16K, though? -- Chintan Amin The University of Illinois/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu ****************************************************************************** *""Because he was human Because he had goodness Because he was moral* ***************They called him insane..."" Peart ""Cinderella Man""************* ";-1;0 "From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Quack-Quack (was Re: Candida(yeast) Bloom, Fact or Fiction) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 69 In article rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes: >Do you believe that any quacks exist? How about quack diagnoses? Is >being a ""licensed physician"" enough to guarantee that someone is not >a quack, or is it just that even if a licensed physician is a quack, >other people shouldn't say so? Can you give an example of a >commonly diagnosed ailment that you think is a quack diagnosis, >or have we gotten to the point in civilization where we no longer >need to worry about unscrupulous ""healers"" taking advantage of >people. I would say there are also significant numbers of unscrupulous doctors (of the squeaky-clean, traditional crew-cut, talk to the AMA before starting any treatment, kind) who recommend treatments that, though ""accepted"", may not be necessary for the patient at the time. And all for making a quick buck. I would not be surprised if the cost of medical services in the U.S. is significantly inflated by these ""quacks of a different color"". In fact, I'd say these doctors are the most dangerous since they call into question the true focus of the medical profession. The AMA and the Boards should focus on these ""quacks"" instead of devoting unbelievable energy on 'search-and- destroy-missions' to pull the licenses of those doctors who are trying non- traditional or not fully accepted treatments for their desperate patients that traditional/accepted medicine cannot help. *************************************************** Now to make a general comment on many recent posts: *************************************************** Lately I've seen the word ""quack"" bandied about recklessly. When a doctor or doctor-wanna-be has decided to quit discussing any controversial medical subject in a civilized manner, all he/she has to do is say ""quack-quack"" and somehow they magically expect the readership of this newsgroup to roll over on their backs and pee-pee on themselves in obedience. What do they teach you in medical school - how to throw your authority around? Let me put it another way to make my point clear: ""quack"" is a nebulous word lacking in any precision. Its sole use is to obfuscate the issues at hand. The indiscriminate use of this word is a sure sign of incompetency; and coming from any medical doctor (or wanna-be), where competency is expected, is real scary. But what do I know, I've already been diagnosed by the sci.med.gods in this newsgroup as being 'anal retentive', and 'psychotic'. I look forward to more net.diagnoses. Hey, they're free. Jon ""Quacks 'R Us"" Noring (p.s., may I suggest - seriously - that if the doctors and wanna-be-doctors on the net who refuse to have an open mind on alternative treatments and theories, such as the ""yeast theory"", should create your own moderated group. You can call it sci.med.traditional.moderated or sci.med.AMA-approved, so you can keep anal-retentives like me out of it.) -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring | noring@netcom.com | | | JKN International | IP : 192.100.81.100 | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place | Phone : (510) 294-8153 | CHIPS - World's Best! | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101 | | ============================================================================= Who are you? Read alt.psychology.personality! That's where the action is. ";-1;0 "From: lcornell@stein.u.washington.edu (Linda D. Cornell) Subject: Any video gurus feel like attacking this quirk...? Article-I.D.: shelley.1qsce9INNgd0 Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu Hi there, I'm having a bizarre video problem within Windows 3.1. I have a 286 with a GVGA-16 video board. I've been using the standard Windows VGA driver with other similarly configured computers. I am thinking that my problem is with the way Windows refreshes it's screen. The problem is that once Windows has been envoked, the colors start changing themselves. At first I thought it was hardware, but if you open a full screen DOS program from within the Windows session, you don't have any problems until you get back to Windows - however, when you initially return to Windows, the original colors get refreshed properly. Also, it is not a uniform color change - so if you are in solitaire, the design on the back of the card maintains it's original color scheme, but the white fronts of the cards will turn grey, then blue, etc. The color changes keep getting darker until finally everything is a dark purple-ish black. If you pop out to DOS and exit back to Windows - the screen gets refreshed again. If I don't log into Windows and just do DOS things from the Novell network, everything is fine. I originally loaded the software by bouncing it down to the net from the other machine I had just finished configuring, then from the net to this machine. When I ran into problems, I deleted everything on this machine and the net, and tried bouncing it again. When that didn't work, I tried reloading Windows to no avail. Any thoughts on things to check out? I am totally baffled! Thanks in advance for any assistance and instruction! Linda Cornell lcornell@u.washington.edu UW Office of Research ";-1;0 "From: daniels@NeoSoft.com (Brad Daniels) Subject: Fresco status? Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900 Lines: 15 I've been hearing rumblings about Fresco, and it sounds like it may be what I'm looking for, but how far is it from release, or at least some kind of availability? How similar is it to InterViews? If I code to InterViews, will my code work with Fresco? How about Motif? I've heard some mention of versions of InterViews which support Motif. Will it be feasible to use Motif with Fresco? Any information would be much appreciated. - Brad -- Brad Daniels ` | ""If money can't buy happiness, daniels@neosoft.com | I guess I'll have to rent it."" I don't work for NeoSoft, and | - Weird Al Yenkovic don't speak for my employer. | ";-1;0 "From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 48 >maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: >|> >|> Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to >|> rock >|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it... >|> >|> So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and >|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes. >|> >|> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know >|> for >|> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... >|> church >|> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should >|> I just >|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or >|> should I >|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my >|> likely >|> passenger? Do I have to be the one to say it? DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM! That kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against. If you fall with the helmet on and you hit the same spot the helmet landed on during the drop, the helmet may not protect your head as well as it was intended to do. Conservative rec.moto'ers will recommend that you replace the helmet. If you want to be sure that it will protect you adequately, you should. HELMETS GO ON THE GROUND, ON A TABLE, ON A CHAIR, ON A SHELF, OR ON ANY OTHER SURFACE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEM SO THAT THEY WILL NOT EASILY BE KNOCKED DOWN. Jeezus. My new Shoei would be $340 to replace. You think I'm going to leave it to chance? Cripe. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. ";-1;0 "From: bmdelane@quads.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney) Subject: Re: Epstein-Barr Syndrome questions Keywords: EBV CFS CFIDS Reply-To: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 47 In article <1993Apr23.034226.2284@reed.edu> jcherney@reed.edu writes: >Okay, this is a long shot. > >My friend Robin has recurring bouts of mononucleosis-type symptoms, very >regularly. This has been going on for a number of years. She's seen a >number of doctors; six was the last count, I think. Most of them have >said either ""You have mono"" or ""You're full of it; there's nothing wrong >with you."" One has admitted to having no idea what was wrong with her, >and one has claimed that it is Epstein-Barr syndrome. > >Now, what she told me about EBS is that very few doctors even believe that >it exists. (Obviously, this has been her experience.) So, what's the >story? Is it real? Does the medical profession believe it to be real? > >Has anyone had success is treating EBS? Or is it just something to live >with? Thanks for your assistance. Outbreaks of a chronic-mono-like entity were originally called EBS (or some variant thereof) because most of the people with this disease had elevated levels of antibodies to the EBV virus. But not all of them did, which prompted an official renaming of the disease to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (this renaming took place in the Annals of Internal Medicine, Jan. 1988, I believe). Now it's also called Chronic Fatigue and Immune Dysfunction Syndrome (CFIDS), since it seems clear that some sort of immune disregulation is causing the probs. Astonishly, there are still docs who tell people with massively swollen glands, recurrent fevers and nightsweats, etc., that there's nothing wrong with them. This is not the same thing as saying that the syndrome may have a (at least partly) psychological cause. The disagreement among people whose thoughts are worth considering centers on just what the cause is. No one knows, but theories include: psychological stress, some sort of virus (a retrovirus, say most -- maybe one of the newly discovered herpes viruses), environmental toxins, bacteria (and, yes, candida), genes, (and/)or some combo of these. There's no outright cure at the moment, but different docs try different things, some of which seem to help. Massive amounts of info on the condition are available these days. Post your Q to alt.med.cfs, and you will be flooded w/facts. Note: There are lots of far better understood (and better treatable) diseases that look like CFIDS. Make sure these get ruled-out by a good doc. ";4;1 "From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists. >There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and >published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics >who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used. Snort. Ah, there go my sinuses again. >For example, Dr. Ivker, who wrote the book ""Sinus Survival"", always gives, Oh, wow. A classic textbook. Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too! >before any other treatment, a systemic anti-fungal (such as Nizoral) to his >new patients IF they've been on braod-spectrum anti-biotics 4 or more times >in the last two years. He's kept a record of the results, and for over >2000 patients found that over 90% of his patients get significant relief >of allergic/sinus symptoms. Of course, this is only the beginning for his >program. Yeah, I'll bet. Tomorrow, the world. Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless. >In my case, as I reported a few weeks ago, I was developing the classic >symptoms outlined in 'The Yeast Connection' (I agree it is a poorly >written book): e.g., extreme sensitivity to plastics, vapors, etc. which >I never had before (started in November). Within one week of full dosage >of Sporanox, the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared - I can >now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes. I'm also >*greatly* improved in other areas as well. I'm sure you are. You sound like the typical hysteric/hypochondriac who responds to ""miracle cures."" >Of course, I have allergy symptoms, etc. I am especially allergic to >molds, yeasts, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that >if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body, and you have a >natural allergy to yeasts, that a threshold would be reached where you >would have perceptible symptoms. Yeah, ""it makes sense to me"", so of course it should be taken seriously. Snort. >Also, yeast do produce toxins of various >sorts, and again, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that >such toxins can cause problems in some people. Yeah, ""it sounds reasonable to me"". >Of course, the $60,000 >question is whether a person who is immune compromised (as tests showed I was >from over 5 years of antibiotics, nutritionally-deficiencies because of the >stress of infections and allergies, etc.), Oh, really? _What_ tests? Immune-compromised, my ass. More like credulous malingerer. This is a psychiatric syndrome. >can develop excessive yeast >colonization somewhere in the body. It is a tough question to answer since >testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy. One almost has to >take an empirical approach to diagnosis. Fortunately, Sporanox is relatively >safe unlike past anti-fungals (still have to be careful, however) so there's >no reason any longer to withhold Sporanox treatment for empirical reasons. You know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused in this way. It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic. The trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks. >BTW, some would say to try Nystatin. Unfortunately, most yeast grows hyphae >too deep into tissue for Nystatin to have any permanent affect. You'll find >a lot of people who are on Nystatin all the time. The only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap and when taken orally, non-toxic. But oral nystatin is without any systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without any effect on your sinuses. I wish these quacks would first use IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you. That would solve the ""yeast"" problem once and for all. >In summary, I appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep >medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly >to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough >actually treating patients. If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my >face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee >their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as >far as I am concerned. Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating your symptoms. Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket? I'd hate to think my insurance premiums are going towards this. -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer ";-1;0 "From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: klonopin and pregnancy Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 17 A(> From: adwright@iastate.edu () A(> A woman I know is tapering off klonopin. I believe that is one of the A(> benzodiazopines. She is taking a very minimal dose right now, half a tablet A(> a day. She is also pregnant. My question is Are there any known cases where A(> klonopin or similar drug has caused harmful effects to the fetus? A(> How about cases where the mother took klonopin or similar substance and had A(> normal baby. Any information is appreciated. She wants to get a feel for A(> what sort of risk she is taking. She is in her first month of pregnancy. Klonopin, according to the PDR (Physician's Desk Reference), is not a proven teratogen. There are isolated case reports of malformations, but it is impossible to establish cause-effect relationships. The overwhelming majority of women that take Klonopin while pregnant have normal babies. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) ";-1;0 "Organization: Students for Increased Beverage Access (SIBA) From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs Subject: Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati <93105.032616MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <1qkl3i$9bj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Lines: 49 In article <1qkl3i$9bj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) says: >In a previous article, MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark 'Mark' Sachs) says: >>In article <1qhr73$a8d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu >>(Broward Horne) says: >>> It sure does appear that way, doesn't it? >> >>The attitude that people are stupid if they don't agree with you is not >>going to bring you great success in life. Free advice, there. > whew. Mark, what on EARTH makes you think I give a FUCK > about being a ""success"", particularly NOW when I'll just > the HELL taxed out of me? Oh, this is excellent. That was hardly the point, was it? I was commenting on this all-too-common Republican attitude that if people disagree with us, they must be idiots, they must be sheep being led around by the Evil Liberal Media Conspiracy. This is a dangerous attitude indeed. Because it's not a very big step from ""people are sheep, they can't think for themselves"" to ""people are sheep and need firm leadership from we, who know better""... this sort of attitude makes me worry about what'll happen to the United States if the extremist wing of the Republican party ever gets back into power again. > Holy christ! :) Hey! This is a government-funded newsgroup! Let's have some separation of church and state, damn it! > Besides, let's examine the record, shall we? > Broward: "" Clinton's going to taxe the HOLY FUCK out of you! "" > Mark: "" No, he's not. Only $17 / month "" > ( I STILL get a laugh out of this one! :) ) More like: Broward: ""Clinton's going to raise your income taxes by over $1000!"" Mark: ""No, he's not, only about $204."" Broward: (silence) > Want some more ""free predictions"" ? OK, I predict that in 1996 the Republicans will STILL be bitter. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's not very impressive to predict things that are inevitable... ""...so I propose that we destroy the moon, neatly solving that problem."" [Your blood pressure just went up.] Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions, they'd try to charge me for them. ";-1;0 "From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: 6 Apr 93 God's Promise in John 16:24 Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 8 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. John 16:24 ";-1;0 "From: skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok) Subject: Re: How often are SIMMs bad (mail order)? Organization: Inst. f. Thermodynamik u. Waermetechnik (ITW), U. of Stuttgart, FRG Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de Hi, I got a glimpse from the other side, talking to the technician at the place I recently bought my Mac from. The guy told me that they stopped shipping SIMMs to their customers and only install them themselves - those babies get zapped too easily by static electricity or so they claim. HSK -- Sie singen das alte Entsagungslied, das Eiapopeia vom Himmel, womit man beruhigt, wenn es greint, das Volk, den grossen Luemmel. Ein neues Lied, ein besseres Lied, oh Freunde, will ich Euch dichten, Wir wollen hier auf Erden schon das Himmelreich errichten. ... H. Heine ";-1;0 "From: binkley@let.rug.nl (P.A. Binkley) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: pco204a.let.rug.nl Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL There was an article on Jewish major leaguers in a recent issue of ""Elysian Fields"", what used to be the ""Minnesota Review of Baseball"". As I recall, it had an amazing amount of research, with a long list of players and a large bibliography. Peter Binkley binkley@let.rug.nl ";-1;0 "From: prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) Subject: BMWMOA Controversy Summary: Request for _brief_ overview Keywords: BMWMOA Board, history of contretemps Organization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, Oakland, CA. Distribution: usa Lines: 18 In article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes: >>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes: >>...good ol boys that have been there too long. > > [...] while I agree with you that the current >board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash >for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...? Yo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think? If there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your esteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you got to the above contretemps? Points will be deducted for shouting or bulging veins in the temple area. -Pete Ahrens ";-1;0 "From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) Subject: Re: My '93 picks (with only one comment) Article-I.D.: news.12786 Organization: Biochemistry Lines: 50 Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu In article <1psbg8INNgjj@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes: >In article jfr2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jackie F. >Russell) writes: >> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes: > >> >National League West >> >> > Cincinnati ---- >> > Houston 5.0 >> > Atlanta 8.0 >> ARGH! Here is where you are obviously dead wrong. Not since the Yankees of >> the 20's and 30's has a team been so nicely setup as this years(and years >> to come) Braves. I don't think that the All-Star team will be able to beat > >This may be an appropriate comparison. >The 1929-31 Yankees finshed 2nd, 3rd and 2nd finshing >18, 16 and 13-1/2 games out of first. >In 1933,'34 and '35 they also finished second ( though they were only >7, 7 and 3 games out). >Even great teams can lose - That's why they play the season. >(on the other hand... I'm still picking the Braves to go all the way) > Um, surely you didn't intend to compare the '93 Reds with the 29 Philidelphia A's. The Yankees were finishing 2nd to a team that was as good as the 26-28 Yankees, while the Yankees had aged some from their peak years. Ruth and Gehrig couldn't play every position simultaneously. IMO, given the various ages of the Braves and Reds this season, that the Braves will be closer to their peak, while the Reds have slightly passed their peak. Also, if you're going to compare Braves and Yankees, a more appropriate comparison to the '93 Braves might be the '23 Yankees. After falling short two years in a row in exciting World Series, both teams won/will win the Series this year, despite the heroics of some old fart on the other team. (Casey Stengel/ Dave Winfield???) ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu ""I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"" Grafitti, Paris, 1968 TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.) -------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) Subject: X-Terminal question Organization: ELIN Energeanwendung Ges.m.b.H Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: sun3.eeam.elin.co.at X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] A simple question to all the Xperts: Is it possible to use several X-Terminals with only one mouse and one keyboard? Any suggestions? Thanks, rainer. -- Rainer Hochreiter | Telephone: +43 (1) 89100 / 3961 ELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH | Telefax : +43 (1) 89100 / 3387 Penzingerstr. 76 | A-1141 Wien, Austria/Europe | E-mail : rainer@elin.co.at ";-1;0 "From: u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk Subject: Could anyone answer this question??? Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 41 Cc: u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk I've heard it said that the accounts we have of Christs life and ministry in the Gospels were actually written many years after the event. (About 40 years or so). Is this correct?? If so, why the big time delay?? I know all scripture is inspired of God, so the time of writing is I suppose un-important, but I still can't help be curious! --------------------------------------------------- Ivan Thomas Barr Contact me at u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk [The Gospels aren't dated, so we can only guess. Luke's prolog is about the only thing we have from the author describing his process. The prolog sounds like Luke is from the next generation, and had to do some investigating. There are traditions passed down verbally that say a few things about the composition of the Gospels. There are debates about how reliable these traditions are. They certainly don't have the status of Scripture, yet scholars tend to take some of them seriously. One suggests that Mark was based on Peter's sermons, and was written to preserve them when Peter had died or way about to die. One tradition about Matthew suggests that a collection of Jesus words may have been made earlier than the current Gospels. In the ancient world, it was much more common to rely on verbal transmission of information. I think many people would have preferred to hear about Jesus directly from someone who had known him, and maybe even from someone who studied directly under such a person, rather than from a book. Thus I suspect that the Gospels are largely from a period when these people were beginning to die. Scholars generally do think there was some written material earlier, which was probably used as sources for the existing Gospels. Establishing the dates is a complex and technical business. I have to confess that I'm not sure how much reliance I'd put on the methods used. But it's common to think that Mark was written first, around 64 AD., and that all of the Gospels were written by the end of the Century. A few people vary this by a decade or so one way or the other. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: Sammons@mailer.acns.fsu.edu (David Sammons) Subject: Re: Monitor turning off on its own Organization: FSUACNS Lines: 29 In article , gcohen@mailer.acns.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen) wrote: > > In article <1993Apr13.142129.9491@rhrk.uni-kl.de> staudt@physik.uni-kl.de (Willi Staudt AG-Linder) writes: > >From: staudt@physik.uni-kl.de (Willi Staudt AG-Linder) > >Subject: Re: Monitor turning off on its own > >Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 14:21:29 GMT > >kayc@leland.Stanford.EDU (K C Ku) writes: > >|> > >|>I have a strange problem with my Apple 13"" monitor which hopefully > >|>someone can shed some light on. > >|> > >|>I would be using my computer for 5 minutes and then the screen would > >|>go blank as if someone has switch the monitor off. After the screen > >|>went off, I would not be able to turn the monitor off even if I turn > >|>the power off and back on. I will have to let the monitor sit over > >|>night and it usually turns on, although it doesnt stay on for very > >|>long. > >|> > >|>Dooes anybody has similar experience with such a problem before? Is > >|>there some fuse in the monitor that prevents it from turning on? When > >|>I try to turn the monitor on, it seems that the monitor tries to turn > >|>on but it prevented by some mechamism. > In certain Apple 13"" RGB monitors there has been a problem with the HIGH VOLTAGE CAPASITOR. Apple knows about this problem and is replacing the cap at no cost if it falls into the bad batch that they got from their supplier. Your local repair shop should know about REPAIR EXTENSION 3L0218. ";0;1 "From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: :jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: :> Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect :> them. Resistance is useless. : :Don't tell me -- you're the ""Borg Warner,"" right? HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Hee, hee. This was absolutely fabulous. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. Wonderful! Mr. Tavares, my hat is off to you again! Mike Ruff -- - This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu - self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * ";-1;0 "From: jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) Subject: intolerance - eternal life - etc Organization: Social Science Computing Lines: 89 Hi Xian Netters, God bless you CONTENTS 1. intro 2. love your neighbor 3. reaction to posts a. purpose b. eternal life I've been reading this news group religiously =) for about a month. Sometimes It really gives me what I need, spiritually. At other times I get a little IRATE. There are all kinds of people in every group and I take offense at intolerance. It's awfully hard to tolerate such people. =) ( OOPS! I've gone over my smiley quota already and it's only the second paragraph =(. IMHO they should follow the commandment to love thy neighbor and leave the judging up to GOD. SPECIFICALLY: one's sexual orientation is part of one's self love the sinner hate the sin DOES NOT APPLY Pay attention fundaligionists. Love your neighbor wether you like it or not. I'd be happy to get flamed endlessly and loose scripture quotation contests galore to defend this point. I beleive this is correct. BTW Love the sinner hate the sin is a slippery slope, with hatred at the bottom. INCREDIBLY CHOPPED UP POST I won't even try to tell you where the deletions came out > means Jayne >> means Dan Johnson >>> means Eric In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: >gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: >No free gifts of meaning. (I never quite understood how any >God can just ""give"" your life meaning, actually. If he >says you exists to do or be X, that gives you a purpose >if you care to accept it, but is that the same thing? But >I digress...) I find that I am dissatisfied with the little purposes that we can manufacture for ourselves. Little in the cosmic sense. Even the greatest of the great pharos are long gone, the pyramids historical oddities being worn down by the wind, eventually to be turned into dust. Mankind itself will one day perish. Without some interconnectedness that transcends the physical, without God, it is all pointless in the end. Most people are able to live with that, and for them little purposes (success, money, power, effecting change, helping others) suffice. I suppose they never think about the cosmic scale, or are at least able to put it out of their minds. To me, it is comforting to know that reality is an illusion. That the true reality underneath the the physical is spirit. That this world is a school of sorts, where we learn and grow, and our souls mature. That gives a purpose to my little purposes, and takes some of the pressure off. It's not so necessary to make this life a success in human terms if you're really just here to learn. It's more important to progress, grow, persist, to learn to love yourself and others and to express your love, especially when it's dificult to do so. Honest effort is rewarded by God, he knows our limitations. >> I will live forever with God. > >Ah, now here we begin to diverge. I will not live forever >with anyone. > >(I don't think you will either, but you are welcome to your >opinion on the matter.) Interesting theological question. I have a feeling that most common perception of eternal life is WAY off base. If I were to be imprisoned in the limited ego/mind I am in now I doubt I would choose imortality. It would get awfully boring. TWO SERIOUS QUESTIONS/INVITATIONS TO DISCUSSION 1. What is the nature of eternal life? 2. How can we as mortals locked into space time conceive of it? Possible answer for #2: The best we can do is Metaphor/Analogy Question 2A What is the best metaphor? ";-1;0 "From: jxl9011@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.X. Lee) Subject: JOB Nntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Distribution: SERI Lines: 45 JOB OPPORTUNITY --------------- SERI(Systems Engineering Research Institute), of KIST(Korea Institute of Science and Technology) is looking for the resumes for the following position and need them by the end of June (6/30). If you are interested, send resumes to: CAD/CAE lab (6th floor) Systems Engineering Research Institute Korea Institute of Science and Technology Yousung-Gu, Eoeun-Dong, Daejon. Korea 305-600 COMPANY: Systems Engineering Research Institute TITLE : Senior Research Scientist JOB DESCRIPTION : In depth knowledge of C. Working knowledge of Computer Aided Design. Working knowledge of Computer Graphics. Working knowledge of Virtual Reality. Skills not required but desirable : knowledge of data modeling, virtual reality experience, understanding of client/server architecture. REQUIREMENT : Ph.D JOB LOCATION : Daejon, Korea Contact Info : Chul-Ho, Lim CAD/CAE lab (6th floor) Systems Engineering Research Institute Korea Institute of Science and Technology Yousung-Gu, Eoeun-Dong, Daejon. Korea 305-600 Phone) 82-42-869-1681 Fax) 82-42-861-1999 E-mail) jxl9011@129.21.200.201 ";-1;0 "From: rmah@panix.com (Robert Mah) Subject: Re: electronic parts in NYC? Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 23 In fritzm@panix.com (Fritz Mueller) writes: >I just moved to NYC and wondered if there are any electronics hackers >out there who could point me to places in NYC that sell individual >electronic components (switches, pots, transformers, caps, >... Try Cables and Chips ... let me dig out a reciept ... Here we are... Cables & Chips at 121 Fulton Street, that's near South Street Seaport and Wall Street. Phone is 212-619-3132 and 800-843-4117. However, when ordering there, be VERY exact or there's a good chance they'll screw up. Otherwise, they're pretty good, and they deliver too. Cheers, Rob -- [----------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Robert S. Mah | Voice: 212-947-6507 | ""Every day an adventure, ] [ One Step Beyond | EMail: rmah@panix.com | every moment a challenge"" ] [----------------------------------------------------------------------] ";-1;0 "From: wes1574@zeus.tamu.edu (Bill Scrivener) Subject: In need of help.... Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Ok, I have a problem that I thought you guys/gals might know about.... I'm running a 286dx-25 with a 85mb hdd. I also have windows 3.1, but hardly any dos application will run out it. Also, when I do a ""mem"" command, it says that I have used up 58kb out of 640kb of conventional memory, zero from upper level memory, and all 385kb of my ems memory. And to top it off, I can't load any device drivers into upper memory. Do I just need more memory? Also, why would it use up ems memory instead of upper memory? Please reply by e-mail only to : wes1574@tamvenus.tamu.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Scrivener | ""It's not the first time that you Texas A&M University | sleep with a woman that matters, College Station, Texas | but the first time email: wes1574@tamvenus.tamu.edu | you wake up with her."" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Keywords: Dan Bissell Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century Lines: 14 bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn >to someone who was crazy. Find an encyclopedia. Volume H. Now look up Hitler, Adolf. He had many more people than just Germans enamoured with him. P. -- moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza ";-1;0 "From: geoff@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) Subject: Re: Where are they now? Organization: SunSelect Lines: 22 Distribution: world Reply-To: geoff@East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: poori.east.sun.com Your posting provoked me into checking my save file for memorable posts. The first I captured was by Ken Arromdee on 19 Feb 1990, on the subject ""Re: atheist too?"". That was article #473 here; your question was article #53766, which is an average of about 48 articles a day for the last three years. As others have noted, the current posting rate is such that my kill file is depressing large...... Among the posting I saved in the early days were articles from the following notables: >From: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich) >From: jchrist@nazareth.israel.rel (Jesus Christ of Nazareth) >From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) >From: perry@apollo.HP.COM (Jim Perry) >From: lippard@uavax0.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) >From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky) An interesting bunch.... I wonder where #2 is? --- Geoff Arnold, PC-NFS architect, Sun Select. (geoff.arnold@East.Sun.COM) --------------------------------------------------+------------------- ""What if they made the whole thing up? | ""The Great Lie"" by Four guys, two thousand years ago, over wine..."" | The Tear Garden ";-1;0 "From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 12 mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes: : significantly less than the value of many automobiles. And for those who will : argue that the animals out there stealing cars and everything else (not to : mention committing COMPLETELY senseless acts of violence, such as rape) cannot : be valued in terms of money because they are human beings, I submit that they : are not human beings. Jim Callison, I think, is on the right track. And Absolutely. A scratch on my car bothers me more than the death of any number of scum. All of you feel the same way---you just won't admit it. When are people going to realise that the mere fact that a piece of flesh moves and has the approximate shape of a human being does not in itself mean that it has ""rights""? ";-1;0 "From: aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page) Subject: Using SetWUTime() with a PB170 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 16 I seem to be having some trouble with this... I can get the mac to go to sleep, but I can't make seem to make it wake up with SetWUTime(). I am aware of the error in the header files and IM VI. I am setting the WU time to be about two minutes, then putting the mac to sleep, but it doesn't wakeup at the appointed time.... Does it require a call to SystemTask in order to make sure that everything is setup? -- Andrew E. Page (Warrior Poet) | Decision and Effort The Archer and Arrow Mac Consultant | The difference between what we are Macintosh and DSP Technology | and what we want to be. ";-1;0 "From: djc47305@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc ) Subject: re: Evil smile on my face as Cubs Beat Braves Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 29 Boy, hats off to any Cubs fan who can actually muster up the courage to put down Braves fans. I mean, all the Braves have done is gone to two consecutive world series. Also, being the Cubs fan that I am, I really have to hand it to all the Braves fans out there that are capable of driving me crazy with that infernal cheer that they have. However, I do have to protest anyone saying that all Cubs fans are stupid. The way I see it, either I'm just too stupid to acknowledge it, or that observation was just plain wrong. You might have us confused with Bear fans. ;) Anyway, about a two weeks ago just about everyone was saying that the Cubs would finish up last in their division. (Even behind Florida?!? Sheesh!) These same people were predicting the Braves to clean up in their respective division. Well, we're ten games into the season and these people are a little less vocal now. I wonder why. Well, the way I see it, the East is up for grabs, and whoever wants it most is going to take it, with the exception of Florida. Every team seems to have good batting and pitching, with Philly presently leading the pack. But, I just have to point out, if the Cubs do take the East, they'll do it without the benefit of a competent manager. However, and it pains me to say it, the pennant is going to go to the West. Just had to get that off my chest. Doc bem benefit of a compee ";-1;0 "From: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Subject: Re: Help Reply-To: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Organization: Motorola Paging and Telepoint Systems Group Lines: 46 In article , lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes: > Hi everyone, > I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I > know that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our > deeds, yet hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, > saying' You fools, do you still think that just believing is enough?' > > Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by > themselves and not by God, according to Romans that person is still > saved by there faith. my $.02 - Yes and No. I do not believe the above scenario is not possible. Either they are believing and living (in at least some part) led by God, else they are not. Believing (intellectually, but waiting(?)) is not enough. Especially important to remember is that no one can judge whether you are so committed, nor can you judge someone else. I guess the closest we can come to know someone's situation is listening to their own statements. This can be fallible, as is our sense of communion one with another. > But then there is the bit which says that God > preferes someone who is cold to him (i.e. doesn't know him - condemned) > so a lukewarm Christian someone who knows and believes in God but doesn' > t make any attempt to live by the bible. Regarding this passage, we need to remember that this is a letter to a church (at Laodicea), people who are Of the Body of Christ. (Rev.3:14-16) He talks about their works. A translation could say that he says their lack of concern makes him sick (to the point of throwing up). > Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what > you do) as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the > teachings of James in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being ' > spat-out' Right, saving is by faith alone, except that faith does not come alone, if you catch the two meanings. I can offer the explanation that Jesus would that we were either ""on fire for Him"" or so cold we knew we were not in His will and thus could be made aware of our separation. This is admonishment for His children, not eternal damnation. | ""Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him."" | | ""Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."" | | (proverbs 26:4&5) ";-1;0 "From: neuhaus@vier.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern)) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Nntp-Posting-Host: vier.informatik.uni-kl.de Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany Lines: 39 gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: >Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run >digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets >say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate >be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? Note: I am *not* a cable freak, so I might have completely misunderstood what you said. Also, my math is frequently noted for being wrong, so you'll better check the calculations yourself. I assume that 14.4K means 14.4K Bits. So if we assume one start and one stopbit, and no protocol overhead, the effective number of bytes per second is 1.44K. Let's also assume that you do not want to transmit your speech in stereo, so that you can send 1,440 samples/sec. This corresponds to a Nyquist frequency of 720 Hz, which should be too low, especially if you think about the 8-bit low quality sound. Furthermore, your D/A converter will probably not present you with a signal that has been cut off at 720 Hz, but will instead alias in all the higher frequencies. (Although you can definitely build a filter to overcome that problem.) On the other hand, speech should be easily compressible. For example, you could form power spectra, or you could simply band-pass filter and then linearize the fourier transforms. It won't be CD quality sound, but it'll be discernible. The power spectrum method is very good in that respect. I have once programmed such a software compressor, and compression rates of 90% with relative errors due to linearization of less than 5% were common. Although I must say that these were musical sounds, not speech. Have fun. -- Stephan sig closed for inventory. Please leave your pickaxe outside. PGP 2.2 public key available on request. Note the expiration date. ";-1;0 "From: david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave) Subject: Re: how to search for bad memory chips. Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers Lines: 37 rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) writes: steps deleted {> ... {> {> It's an interesting idea, but the worst-case data patterns developed to {> test magnetic media are totally different than the patterns used to detect {> common faults in memory chips. {> I was having major memory problems a few monthes ago. getting parity error - system halted error message in windows. I ran QA/PLUS, Check It, Diagnose, as well as several shareware memory checkers. I had a total of 8 meg SIMM in my system. these store bought/ shareware memory diagnostics either ran fine without errors or found an error at some address that I couldn't place on a memory chip. Out of exahperation I came up with the (now deleted) steps to find bad memory chips. I found 2 (moral : never buy memory stamped ""not for sensitive or critical applications"" on the back. anyway I did filter out all the bad memory chips using combinations of 4 of the 8 meg chips and creating a RAM drive to test on. Although it dodn't alleviate my parity error problems in windows. I did manage to find bad memory chips in this manner It has NEVER failed to find a bad chip for me. and the commercial/ shareware have always faild me either not finding the error or pointing to an addreww which I have no idea on what chip it is. p.s. man my typing stinks today and I don't feel like futzing around with this line editor. -David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= China Cat BBS c-cat!david@sed.csc.com (301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1 ...uunet!mimsy!anagld!c-cat!david =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: ""Imaginary"" Friends - Info and Experiences From: patb@bnr.co.uk (Patrick Brosnan) Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London. NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs195.bnr.co.uk Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr2.041929.24320@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kditto@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kimborly Ditto) writes: > >Concerniong this thread... > >Has anyone ever seen ""Drop Dead Fred"" ?? THis movie seems to tipify the >""imaginary friend"" theme rather well. I LOVED the movie, as i had an >imaginary friend when i was a kid and it borught back great memories. > >Seriously, if you have a chance, see ""Drop Dead Fred"". It'll make ya >think. especially the end. > >Blessings! >--Kim > -- Patrick Brosnan. || ...!mcsun!ukc!stc!patb Northern Telecomm, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. Phone : +44 81 945 2135 or +44 81 945 4000 x2135 ""Oh, Flash, I love you - but we've only got 14 hours to save the universe."" ";-1;0 "From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) Subject: Re: The best of times, the worst of times Nntp-Posting-Host: eugene.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 17 In <1993Apr20.161357.20354@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes: >(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times) >Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 >carb. I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws >tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that >on the screws inside of a carb. At least it was roadside >fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time. You better check all the screws in that carb before you suck one into a jug and munge a piston, or valve. I've seen it happen before. Matthew ";-1;0 "From: grape@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Mike Grapevine) Subject: subscribe Organization: The Internet Lines: 1 To: expert@expo.lcs.mit.edu subscribe grape@nswses.navy.mil ";-1;0 "From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Sixty-two thousand (was Re: How many read sci.space?) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article <1993Apr15.072429.10206@sol.UVic.CA>, rborden@ugly.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) writes: > In article <734850108.F00002@permanet.org> Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado) writes: >> >>One could go on and on and on here, but I wonder ... how >>many people read sci.space and of what power/influence are >>these individuals? >> > Quick! Everyone who sees this, post a reply that says: > > ""Hey, I read sci.space!"" > > Then we can count them, and find out how many there are! :-) > (This will also help answer that nagging question: ""Just what is > the maximum bandwidth of the Internet, anyways?"") A practical suggestion, to be sure, but one could *also* peek into news.lists, where Brian Reid has posted ""USENET Readership report for Mar 93."" Another posting called ""USENET READERSHIP SUMMARY REPORT FOR MAR 93"" gives the methodology and caveats of Reid's survey. (These postings failed to appear for a while-- I wonder why?-- but they are now back.) Reid, alas, gives us no measure of the ""power/influence"" of readers... Sorry, Mark. I suspect Mark, dangling out there on Fidonet, may not get news.lists so I've mailed him copies of these reports. The bottom line? +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide. | +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population | | +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all | | | +-- Recent traffic (messages per month) | | | | +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month) | | | | | +-- Crossposting percentage | | | | | | +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr | | | | | | | +-- Share: % of newsrders | | | | | | | | who read this group. V V V V V V V V 88 62000 1493 80% 1958 4283.9 19% 0.10 2.9% sci.space The first figure indicates that sci.space ranks 88th among most-read newsgroups. I've been keeping track sporadically to watch the growth of traffic and readership. You might be entertained to see this. Oct 91 55 71000 1387 84% 718 1865.2 21% 0.04 4.2% sci.space Mar 92 43 85000 1741 82% 1207 2727.2 13% 0.06 4.1% sci.space Jul 92 48 94000 1550 80% 1044 2448.3 12% 0.04 3.8% sci.space May 92 45 94000 2023 82% 834 1744.8 13% 0.04 4.1% sci.space (some kind of glitch in estimating number of readers happens here) Sep 92 45 51000 1690 80% 1420 3541.2 16% 0.11 3.6% sci.space Nov 92 78 47000 1372 81% 1220 2633.2 17% 0.08 2.8% sci.space (revision in ranking groups happens here(?)) Mar 93 88 62000 1493 80% 1958 4283.9 19% 0.10 2.9% sci.space Possibly old Usenet hands could give me some more background on how to interpret these figures, glitches, or the history of Reid's reporting effort. Take it to e-mail-- it doesn't belong in sci.space. Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | In a churchyard in the valley Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | Where the myrtle doth entwine Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | There grow roses and other posies Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | Fertilized by Clementine. SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | ";-1;0 "From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Re: 68LC040 vs. 68RC040 in Centris 650 Nntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Lines: 4 I also use PhotoShop to edit photos, and do DTP work. -nate ";-1;0 "From: howeg@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Monty Mole) Subject: FM Transmitter Keywords: Old question I know Lines: 14 Can anyone please email a diagram or give me details of an ftp site where there is a diagram of a simple, small fm mono voice transmitter for trasnmitting in the 90-104 range (preferably above 100 Mhz). Only a short distance requiered, and frequency variation no too important but must run from 9v or smaller DC supply. Thanx in advance Monty. -- /\ /\ __ __ /_ howeg@uk.ac.man.cs / \ / \ / / / / / / / howeg@cs.man.ac.uk __/ \/ \_/__/_/ /_/__/_/____________________________________________ ____________________________/ Save The Vinyl! ";-1;0 "From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: What are some good Suppliers of Chips? Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 44 In article <1qihcl$9ri@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ae454@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Simundza) writes: > > >anyone know of any good supplier's of chips, one that could have almost >any chip i need? I don't want to hunt down all the chips I may need so >it would be greatly appreciated if anyone knows of a good distributor >.. >thankyou > Paul, Unfortunately, there are not too many retail outlets that'll stock just about every chip made. The stuff they will stock are the ones that'll sell, like standard DRAM's, 80386's, 68000's, etc,etc. i.e. I cna't think of any 'one-stop-shopping' store. The closest you can get is to pick up a copy of Byte magazine or the Circuit Cellar, Popular Electronics, and the like and flip through them. Distributors like Wyle Electronics, Hamilton Avnet, Pioneer Electronics, etc, etc, don't normally deal with end-users like ourselves where we only a couple of everything...they only deal with people who buy by the hundreds or more. Each distributor represents and sells a variety of different non-competing manufacturers. What do I mean by this? Suppose ABC Electronics sells Intel 80386's. It's a pretty good bet that they won't be selling any of AMD's 386's, or vice-versa. They also can obtain just about *any* chip you want from a manufacturer they represent. Who knows? You might be lucky to be able to buy from one of them. But I'd be suprised if you do. ALso bear in mind that the 1 or 2 qty prices they will charge you will be *much* greater than what a mail order outlet will charge. My advice? If you're gonna be designing anything, try to stick with off-the-shelf stuff. You're going to get stuck if you use too many esoteric parts sooner or later. good luck, aaron ";-1;0 "From: cbrasted@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Charles Brasted) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: The University of Adelaide Lines: 123 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: adelphi.itd.adelaide.edu.au Keywords: Dan Bissell bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It >makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, >lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he >writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, >in the process he became a Christian himself. I assume you are posting to encourage comments - how much history has Tony Campello read? Not much it seems. > The arguements he uses I am summing up. The book is about whether >Jesus was God or not. I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a >different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what >others have to say. It is good to hear that there are a few reasonable Christians about. If only those christian ""scientists"" would take note. (In Australia there is a very strong movement, a bunch of christian scientists who believe that every single event in the bible is exactly true, and that there is a rational explanation for it all that can be justified by using the laws of physics. For example, there are a few chaps who are trying to prove that the age of the universe is 6000 years old, and that the error in conventional calculations is the result of the fact that the speed light has been rapidly decaying over the years, and this has not been accounted for. :-] ) > The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a >modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. Or (of course), that he never existed, and the bible was a story, and was never intended to become a manifesto for a billion people. Did Tony follow that one up? > Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would >die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People >gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing >someone who was or had been healed. Millions of people have ""died for a lie"". This point is difficult to substantiate since it is not well defined (a great many religious arguments work in that way), but consider the many Aztec warriors who sacrificed themselves to their gods in the belief that this act would bring them victory of the Spanish invaders. The list is endless. The Aztecs lost, BTW. >Call me a fool, but I believe he did heal people. That is perfectly reasonable, but it is not grounds for me (or anyone) to become a christian. More to the point, it does not add weight to the claim that Jesus was the ""real thing"". > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn >to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example >anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see >this right away. Have you ever seen a documentary about the rise of Nazi Germany? More to the point, did Tony mention this? One could hardly call Werner Heisenberg and his many colleagues fools, or illogical men, their support of Hitler was based (I presume) upon an emotional issue rather than a rational agreement with his principles. Obviously my argument is invalid if Tony thought that Hitler was sane.... > Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the >real thing. Hmmm.... I don't think his arguments warrant the use of a ""Therefore..."" > Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in >the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal >and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I >write I will use it. This is (unfortunately) what alot of religious discussions I have had with people result in - quoting the bible. The only reasonable way I think people can look at the bible is to treat the stories as some sort of metaphorical representation of the messages that the authors were trying to present. If someone tries to interpret parts of the bible literally, he or she will end up in all sorts of shit. Tony's argument would be perfectly reasonable for people who believe the events described in the bible took place, but to convince someone, who thinks the bible is total fiction, that Jesus is real by quoting the book is totally pointless. For example, in mathematics you cannot say ""a is equal to b because a is equal to b"". > I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. That would possibly explain why there have so many people being killed in religious wars, and why there are hundreds of different versions all claiming to be correct. It >is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it >should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's >sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the >same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives >over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a >real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But >just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes >time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. >It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in >a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this >time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be >carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for >ourselves. I think if you posted this part to alt.religion you would get more flames than here :-). I have never really understood why the emotional sentiments of a stranger should be of interest to other people. Someone famous said that there two evils in life, polititians and churchs, one rules by fear of the living, the other by fear of the dead. If I am pressed I could probably find the exact quotation. Cheers, Charles. ";-1;0 "From: mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu (marcus k baird) Subject: CD-ROMS 4-SALE (NEW) UPDATE!!! Organization: Wheaton College, IL Lines: 102 I'm looking to find some people interested in getting some cd-rom's. Below is a list with their prices. If you are interested in any of these, send me some mail and I can guarantee this price. If you are not local their will be a shipping cost, and cod cost if you prefer it to be shipped that way. 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CD Software Bundle - 4 Titles N/A $90.00 Stellar 7 DOS/MPC $17.00 Story Time - Interactive DOS $14.00 The CD ROM Collection DOS $15.00 Time Magazine Almanac Current DOS $22.00 Time Table of Hist/Sci/Innovation DOS $25.00 Tons & Gigs DOS $49.00 Too Many Typefonts DOS $15.00 Total Baseball DOS $30.00 US Atlas/w Automap DOS $22.00 US History DOS $28.00 US/World Atlas DOS/MPC $18.00 US Wars:Civil War DOS $25.00 Wild Places DOS $20.00 Wing Com/Ultima VI DOS/MPC $22.00 World View DOS $25.00 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ E-Mail mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu -- mkbaird%david.bitnet@uunet.uu.net -- Voice 708-752-8847 - Internet 192.138.89.15 -- mkbaird%david@uunet.uu.net -- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ E-Mail mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu -- mkbaird%david.bitnet@uunet.uu.net -- Voice 708-752-8847 - Internet 192.138.89.15 -- mkbaird%david@uunet.uu.net ";-1;0 "From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Organization: University of Washington Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: tomobiki-cho.cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <1qkie6$3nd@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can I resign BMW MOA and get the remainder of my 5-year membership refunded? ";-1;0 "From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Lines: 53 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education Distribution: usa In article <1qiebiINN1c1@cae.cad.gatech.edu> vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) writes: >In <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: >[deleted] >>The University cops here (who are >>are state cops) are armed better than the Chicago police. It seems most >>state cops are. I don't know where you are originally from David but you live >>in Tennesse and I live in Chicago and see this crap everyday on the news >>and in the papers. I think the situation is just a tad different here >>than there. > >Which crap, the ridiculous assertions that Uzis are mowing down cops >right and left? The assertions that dialing 911 should be the proper >and only option available to the law-abiding citizens? > >A factoid: > >56 cops were killed in the whole country last year. This is down from >around 100 in the early '80s. Wow, a real explosion in cop killings >there eh? :-) Well, if we're going to discuss being a police officer in America today. The FBI lists 132 police officers killed (feloniously and accidentally) in 1990. That's apparently everybody at all levels. Year Officers killed Rate/100,000 police officers 1982 164* 47.6 1983 152** 40.2 1984 147 39.4 1985 148*** 37.9 1986 133 34.9 1987 148 39.0 1988 155**** 41.9 1989 145***** 38.1 1990 132 32.0 * Includes one officer in Mariana Islands ** Includes one officer each in Guam and Mariana Islands *** Includes one officer in Guam and two in foreign locations **** Includes one officer in American Samoas and two in foreign countries ***** Includes one officer in Guam and one Federal officer killed in Peru God, I love the information age! :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" ";-1;0 "From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: Menangitis question Article-I.D.: pitt.19427 Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 42 In article brooksby@brigham.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Glen W Brooksby) writes: >This past weekend a friend of mine lost his 13 month old >daughter in a matter of hours to a form of menangitis. The >person informing me called it 'Nicereal Meningicocis' (sp?). >In retrospect, the disease struck her probably sometime on >Friday evening and she passed away about 2:30pm on Saturday. >The symptoms seemed to be a rash that started small and >then began progressing rapidly. She began turning blue >eventually which was the tip-off that this was serious >but by that time it was too late (this is all second hand info.). > >My question is: >Is this an unusual form of Menangitis? How is it transmitted? >How does it work (ie. how does it kill so quickly)? There are many organisms, viral, bacterial, and fungal, which can cause meningitits, and the course of these infections varies widely. The causes of bacterial meningitis vary with age: in adults pneumococcus (the same organism which causes pneumococcal pneumonia) is the most common cause, while in children Hemophilus influenzae is the most common cause. What you are describing is meningitis from Neisseria meningitidis, which is the second most common cause of bacterial meningitis in both groups, but with lower incidence in infants. This organism is also called the ""meningococcus"", and is the source of the common epidemics of meningitis that occur and are popularized in the press. Without prompt treatment (and even WITH it in some cases), the organism typically causes death within a day. This organism, feared as it is, is actually grown from the throats of many normal adults. It can get to the meninges by different ways, but blood borne spread is probably the usual case. Rifampin (an oral antibiotic) is often given to family and contacts of a case of meningococcal meningitis, by the way. Sorry, but I don't have time for a more detailed reply. Meningitis is a huge topic, and sci.med can't do it justice. -km ";-1;0 "From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) Subject: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 9 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu Another user recently requested info about the Shadow/Sundance cars, but I haven't seen any public responses. What are people's experiences with these cars? Daryl Daryl Biberdorf N5GJM d-biberdorf@tamu.edu + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura ";-1;0 "From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice) Subject: Re: Drive/Controller Compatibility Lines: 672 Organization: University of North Texas Thanks to all who responded to my original post. I got the number for Western Digital tech support and determined that I need to upgrade the BIOS to the Super BIOS. It will handle hard drives with up to 16 read/ write heads and up to 1024 cylinders. The upgrade is $15, payable by check or money order. Send to: Western Digital Corporation Technical Support Group P.O. Box 19665 Irvine, CA 92713-9665 The Super BIOS is for any WD XT hard drive controller card in the WD1002 series. The BIOS on my system would only handle up to 20mb drives. The responses to my request for help follow my .sig. Warning: It's long. Keith -- _____________________________ __-----____--___--__-----____ D. Keith Rice __--__--___--__--___--__--___ University of North Texas __--___--__--_--____--___--__ Department of Computer Science __--___--__----_____--__--___ Denton, Texas, USA __--___--__--_--____--_--____ __--__--___--__--___--__--___ drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu __-----____--___--__--___--__ drice@cs.unt.edu _____________________________ <========================== responses below ==========================> From ravalent@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Apr 3 16:45:03 1993 Received: from mailbox.syr.EDU by ponder (5.61/1.36) id AA15218; Sat, 3 Apr 93 16:45:00 -0600 From: ravalent@mailbox.syr.edu (Bob Valentine) Received: from mothra.syr.EDU by mailbox.syr.edu (4.1/CNS) id AA16647; Sat, 3 Apr 93 17:44:49 EST Received: by mothra.syr.EDU (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA03607; Sat, 3 Apr 93 17:43:27 EST Date: Sat, 3 Apr 93 17:43:27 EST Message-Id: <9304032243.AA03607@mothra.syr.EDU> To: drice@ponder Status: OR To: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu Subject: Re: Drive/Controller Compatibility Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware In-Reply-To: Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY Cc: In article you write: >I recently bought a used Seagate ST-251 hard drive. The guy told me that >it had been fully tested and that it was good. I took it home to install >in my Compaq Portable (OK, I'm a little behind in technology). I already >had an MFM controller. > >I installed the drive and powered up the system. I got a post error, ""1701"". > >My controller is a Western Digital WD1002S-WX2 Rev. C. >As I said above, the drive is a Seagate ST-251. >The system is a Compaq Portable (circa 1985). Ah, finally a question I can answer. I mess with this older stuff alot. Kinda fun. 8) First problem I can forsee is that the ST-251 will not be compadible with that WD card unless it has the right bios rom. Check the numbers on it. It should be the only non-smt chip on the board. Slightly below center, and left. The bios should read either : 62-000042-015 or 62-000094-0x2 If the last 3 digits are 013, you got problems. > >Controller jumpers are set as follows: (""-"" represents jumper) > W1 1-2 3 > W2 1-2 3 > W3 1-2 > W4 1 2-3 > W5 1 2 3 > W6 1-2 3 > W7 1 2 3 Looks right. W5 and W7 are factory jumped (with a trace) between pins 1 and 2 to select the primary controller address. >The drive jumpers are as follows: (""8"" represents jumper) Looks right. [art deleted] >Here are my questions: > >1.) Are the drive and controller compatible w/ each other? I notice you left out the S1 jumper table settings. Those are what control what drive the controller thinks it has. If you have the 62-000042-015 rom, set it like this: 5 + + open 6 + + open 7 + + open 8 + + open 4 + + closed 3 + + closed 2 + + open 1 + + open Note: those are how WD runs the numbers on the jumper block. Top to bottom. +'s represent the jumper pins. Pins 3,4, and 8 select the first drive setting (drive 0) and pins 1,2 and 7 select the second drive (drive 1). If you have the 62-000094 rom, it's a auto-config, and I'll have to look up how to do it... I don't have the big book right here. >2.) Are the jumpers on the card/drive set correctly? See above. You might have problems if the S1 jumpers are not right. Also, at the risk of being insulting, make sure the cables are on right and good. 8). On the jumper on the 251, try moving it to the opposite side of the drive. It's one or the other. The narrow data cable goes to J2. I've thrown it on J3 a few times and banged my head for a day..... >3.) Is my system's BIOS in need of an upgrade? Dunno. IBM roms had to be later than 10/27/82. A quick way to check is to boot dos and run debug. Enter: -d f000:fff5 fffc (the - is the debug prompt) This will return the rom date, if it's of any use. >Keith Rice If I oversimplified any of the above, I appologize. It's just hard to know what caliber of person I'm talking to. 8). --> Bob Valentine <-- --> ravalent@mailbox.syr.edu <-- From chpp@unitrix.utr.ac.za Mon Apr 5 06:33:46 1993 Received: from unitrix.utr.ac.za by ponder (5.61/1.36) id AA16194; Mon, 5 Apr 93 06:32:59 -0500 Received: by unitrix.utr.ac.za (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0nfpMA-0001X7C; Mon, 5 Apr 93 13:28 GMT Message-Id: From: chpp@unitrix.utr.ac.za (Prof P. Piacenza) Subject: ST251 To: drice@ponder Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 13:28:49 +0200 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL11] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 24559 Status: OR If you are using a TWISTED 34-way cable then move the jumper on your drive to the neighbouring pins :8::::::. Make sure that the twisted cable is for a hard disk (and not a floppy disk) - the coloured stripe (pin 1) should be furthest from the twist. This may also help. PRODUCTS FOR XT SYSTEMS HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR MFM HARD DISK DRIVES Reference NOTE 1. WD1002A-WX1, feature F300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders and is jumper configurable for secondary addressing and default drive tables. Built in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. This board features a power connector for filecard applications and it will also operate in AT systems. Please note that this controller card will be unavailable from the manufacturer (Western Digital) after March, 1989. Reference NOTE 2. WDXT-GEN, feature F300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM hard disk drives with up to 8 heads and 1024 cylinders. Built-in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. Please note that this controller card will be unavailable from the manufacturer (Western Digital) after March, 1989. WD1004A-WX1, feature F300R - Half-slot size disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders and is jumper configurable for secondary addressing and default drive tables. Built in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. This board features a power connector for filecard applications and it will also operate in AT systems. Reference NOTE 2. WDXT-GEN2, feature F300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM hard disk drives with up to 8 heads and 1024 cylinders. Built-in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. Reference NOTE 2. HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR RLL HARD DISK DRIVES Reference NOTE 2. WD1002-27X, feature F301R - Half-slot size hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders and is jumper configurable for secondary addressing and default drive tables. Built in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. This board features a power connector for filecard applications and it will also operate in AT systems. Please note that this controller card will be unavailable from the manufacturer (Western Digital) after March, 1989. Reference NOTE 2. WD1002A-27X, feature 300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders. Built-in ROM BIOS supports non- standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. Please note that this controller card will be unavailable from the manufacturer (Western Digital) after March, 1989. WD1004-27X, feature F301R - Half-slot size hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders and is jumper configurable for secondary addressing and default drive tables. Built in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, dual drive operation, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. This board features a power connection for filecard applications and it will also operate in AT systems. Reference NOTE 2. WD1004A-27X, feature F300R - Half-slot size hard disk controller with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL drives with up to 16 heads and 1024 cylinders. Built-in ROM BIOS supports non-standard drive types, virtual drive formatting, bad track formatting and dynamic formatting. NOTE 1: AT&T 6300 - The AT&T 6300 and the AT&T 6300 PLUS contain system BIOS chips that support the hard disk drive. When using a Western Digital XT controller card the system will not ""boot."" To solve this problem, one of the ROM BIOS chips must be disabled. To disable the BIOS on your Western Digital XT controller card, you must remove the jumper at position W-3 or add a jumper at position R-23 (depending on which model of XT controller you are using). -2- NOTE 2: TANDY 1000 SYSTEMS - The WD1002A-WX1, WD1004A-WX1, WDXT-GEN2 and the WD1004-27X can be modified to operate in Tandy 1000 series computers, models SX, TX and the original or ""A"" version. These computers utilize an interrupt of 2 (IRQ2) instead of IRQ5, the IBM standard. To modify the WD1002A-WX1 or the WD1002-27X to operate in these systems, you must cut the etch between pin 1 and pin 2 at jumper position W-7. Then solder pin 2 and pin 3 at the position (W-7). To complete the modification, a jumper must be added to position 7 of switch S-1 (2 rows of 8 pins). PLEASE NOTE THAT ANY PHYSICAL MODIFICATION TO YOUR WESTERN DIGITAL HARD DISK CONTROLLER VOIDS THE WARRANTY ON YOUR BOARD. To modify the WD1004A-WX1, WDXT-GEN2 or the WD1004-27X for your Tandy 1000 system, a zero ohm resister must be soldered to jumper position W-27. This will change the interrupt from IRQ5 to IRQ2. XT CONTROLLERS FOR FLOPPY DISK DRIVES WD1002A-FOX - Half-slot floppy disk controller for XT or AT systems. Four versions of the board are available: Feature F001 supports two floppy disk drives. Feature F002 supports four floppy disk drives and includes an optional 37-pin control, data and power connector and an optional 4-pin power connector. Feature F003 supports two floppy disk drives and includes a ROM BIOS that will enable your system to recognize floppy disk drive that may not be supported by your AT system ROM BIOS. The optional ROM BIOS will also allow this controller card to operate high density floppy disk drives in an XT system. Feature F004 supports four floppy disk drives and includes an optional 37-pin control, data and power connector, an optional 4-pin power connector and a ROM BIOS that will enable your system to recognize floppy disk drives that may not be supported by your AT system ROM BIOS. The optional ROM BIOS will also allow this controller card to operate high density floppy disk drives in an XT system. -3- PRODUCTS FOR AT SYSTEMS HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR MFM HARD DISK DRIVES - NO FLOPPY SUPPORT WD1003-WAH, feature F003R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 3:1 interleave. WD1003V-MM1, feature F300R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 2:1 interleave. The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). WD1006-WAH , feature F001R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave. WD1006V-MM1, feature F300R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave and faster data transfer due to ""look ahead caching."" The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR MFM HARD DISK DRIVES AND FLOPPY DISK DRIVES WD1003-WA2, feature F003R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface, full AT form factor. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, at 3:1 interleave and 2 floppy disk drives (360K and 1.2 MB). WD1003A-WA2, feature F003R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface, full XT form factor. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, at 3:1 interleave and 2 floppy disk drives (360K and 1.2 MB). WD1003V-MM2, feature F300R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders at 2:1 interleave, and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44Mb). The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems, (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). WD1006V-MM2, feature F300R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders at 1:1 interleave and faster data transfer due to ""look ahead caching"" and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44 Mb). The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems, (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). -4- HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR RLL HARD DISK DRIVES - NO FLOPPY SUPPORT WD1003-RAH - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders at 3:1 interleave. WD1003V-SR1 - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders at 2:1 interleave. The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS that allows the user to define the drive's parameters. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. WD1006-RAH - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave. Feature F001R includes an optional ROM BIOS that provides additional drive parameter tables. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. WD1006V-SR1 - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave and faster data transfer due to ""look ahead caching."" The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS that allows the user to define the drive's parameters. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR RLL HARD DISK DRIVES AND FLOPPY DISK DRIVES WD1003-RA2, feature F001R - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, at 3:1 interleave, and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb). -5- WD1003V-SR2 - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, at 2:1 interleave, and 2 floppy disk drives, (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44 Mb). The ""V"" boards run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS that allows the user to define the drive's parameters. Feature 300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. WD1006V-SR2 - Hard disk controller card with an ST506/ST412 interface. It supports a maximum of 2 RLL hard disk drives with up to 16 heads, 2048 cylinders and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44 Mb). It also features 1:1 interleave and faster data transfer due to ""look ahead caching"". The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS that allows the user to define the drive's parameters. Feature 300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR ESDI HARD DISK DRIVES - NO FLOPPY SUPPORT - WD1007A-WAH - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 10 megabit per second data transfer rate and 1:1 interleave. Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with ""shadow RAM"" that will enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system ROM BIOS. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. WD1007V-SE1/ME1 - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 15 megabit per second data transfer rate and 1:1 interleave. The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems, (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with ""shadow RAM"" that will enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system ROM BIOS. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. -6- HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR ESDI HARD DISK DRIVES AND FLOPPY DISK DRIVES WD1007A-WA2 - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 10 megabit per second data transfer rate, 1:1 interleave and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44 Mb). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with ""shadow RAM"" that will enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system ROM BIOS. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. WD1007V-SE2/ME2 - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 15 megabit per second data transfer rate, 1:1 interleave and 2 floppy drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44 Mb). The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 12 megahertz bus speed). Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with ""shadow RAM"" that will enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system ROM BIOS. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameters. WD1007A-WA4 - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 10 megabit per second data transfer rate, 1:1 interleave and 2 floppy disk drives (5-1/4"" 360K, 1.2 Mb; 3-1/2"" 720K, 1.44 Mb). This board also has a serial port and parallel port. Feature F301R includes an optional ROM BIOS with ""shadow RAM"" that will enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI drives without modifying the system ROM BIOS. Feature F300R does not include the ROM BIOS and you must use the drive tables on your system's ROM BIOS that must contain the appropriate drive parameter. -7- HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR SCSI HARD DISK DRIVES 7000-ASC - A SCSI host adapter that serves as an interface between the AT bus and the SCSI bus. All necessary drivers and receivers are included, permitting direct cable connections to the SCSI bus through a 50 pin connector and to the AT bus through two edge connectors. The 7000-ASC utilizes jumper configurable options that enable the address space, DMA channels and interrupt requests to be selected to suit the end user's application. The board also features word data transfer at 4 megabytes per second (synchronous), an on-board floppy disk controller and a ROM BIOS. Please note that the 7000-ASC operates using standard DOS 3.2 or DOS 3.3 only. 7000-FASST2 - This SCSI host adapter card provides the same features as the 7000-ASC plus additional support capabilities using software developed by Columbia Data Products. The 7000- FASST2 will support MS-DOS 3.2-3.3, Compaq DOS 3.31, PC-DOS 4.0, PC-MOS/386 version 2.1, XENIX, Microsoft Windows, Novell and Sytos tape backup. WDATXT-FASST KIT - An ""unintelligent"" SCSI host adapter that is compatible with the IBM XT, AT and compatible systems. It uses a 50 pin external SCSI bus ""D"" connector with a standard 50 pin internal SCSI cable. The WDATXT-FASST can be used as both a target and an initiator and it serves as an excellent tool for SCSI designers. It also provides a low cost alternative for end- users desiring to install a SCSI peripheral device such as a hard disk drive or a tape backup unit. The kit includes an 8-bit SCSI HBA board, manual, FASST software diskettes and an internal SCSI cable. SYTOS TAPE BACKUP - (Utility for 7000-FASST) - FASST-SYTOS - FASST version of Sytos tape backup utilities. MS-DOS compatible, it runs with FASST software products Revision 3.3+. HARD DISK CONTROLLERS FOR PS/2 MODEL 50, 60, 80 SYSTEMS (MICROCHANNEL ARCHITECTURE) WD1006V-MC1, feature F300R - Hard disk controller with an ST506/ST412 interface for microchannel systems. It supports 2 MFM drives with up to 16 heads and 2048 cylinders, 1:1 interleave and faster data transfer due to ""look ahead caching."" The""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems (10 to 16 megahertz system speed). -8- WD1007V-MC1, feature F300R - This controller card will support up to 2 ESDI hard disk drives, 15 megabit per second transfer rate and it contains a ROM BIOS with ""shadow RAM"" that will enable the controller card to interface with all types of ESDI hard disk drives without modifying the system BIOS. It uses 1:1 interleave. The ""V"" boards can run in high speed AT systems, (10 to 12 megahertz bus speed). CONTROLLERS FOR FLOPPY DISK DRIVES ONLY WD1002A-FOX - Half-slot floppy disk controller for XT or AT systems. Four versions of the board are available: Feature F001 supports two floppy disk drives. Feature F002 supports four floppy disk drives and includes an optional 37-pin control, data and power connector and an optional 4-pin power connector. Feature F003 supports two floppy disk drives and includes a ROM BIOS that will enable your system to recognize floppy disk drives that may not be supported by your AT system ROM BIOS. The optional ROM BIOS will also allow this controller card to operate high density floppy disk drives in an XT system. Feature F004 supports four floppy disk drives and includes an optional 37-pin control, data and power connector, an optional 4-pin power connector and a ROM BIOS that will enable your system to recognize floppy disk drives that may not be supported by your AT system ROM BIOS. The optional ROM BIOS will also allow this controller card to operate high density floppy disk drives in an XT system. -- Prof. L. Piacenza - Chemistry Department - University of Transkei Internet: chpp@unitrix.utr.ac.za (preferred). Tel. 27-471-3022384 Internet: sppp@hippo.ru.ac.za From necis!mydual.uucp!olson@transfer.stratus.com Mon Apr 5 12:14:06 1993 Received: from transfer.stratus.com by ponder (5.61/1.36) id AA29202; Mon, 5 Apr 93 12:14:03 -0500 Received: from necis.UUCP by transfer.stratus.com (4.1/3.12-jjm) id AA22183; Mon, 5 Apr 93 13:12:04 EDT Received: from mydual by necis.necis.ma.nec.com id aa21760; 5 Apr 93 12:50 EDT Received: by mydual.UUCP (5.58/smail2.5/09-28-87) id AA18009; Mon, 5 Apr 93 13:24:23 EST Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 13:24:23 EST From: ""Kirtland H. Olson"" Message-Id: <9304051824.AA18009@mydual.UUCP> To: drice@ponder Subject: Re: Drive/Controller Compatibility Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware In-Reply-To: Organization: The Harvard Group, 01451-0667 Reply-To: necis!olson%mydual.uucp@transfer.stratus.com Cc: Status: OR Suggest you move jumper on drive rightward one position. Regards, --Kirt -- Kirtland H Olson Harvard MA 01451-0667 USA olson%mydual.uucp@necis.ma.nec.com ";-1;0 "From: jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart) Subject: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: Open Communications Forum Lines: 37 Since the AT&T wiretap chip is scheduled to be distributed internationally, allowing the U.S. government to spy on foreign governments, companies and people as as well as to wiretap domestic citizens, this is a world-wide issue. Thus Distribution: world. ygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes: >However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who >cares about the clipper chip? Why do we hackers care about the Clipper chip? Do we give a shit about anybody's privacy accept our own? And perhaps not even our own; are we so smart that we always know when we're talking to somebody who has a wiretap on their phone? I find the ""call thru your computer"" ideas may reflect this attitude. Ideas that are of, by, and for hackers, and don't help anybody in the real world, aren't going to do anybody much good, including ourselves where voice phones are concerned. We *do* need an alternative to NSA-bugged telephones, but we're talking inexpensive *telephones* here, including hand-sized cellulars, that need strong crypto, real privacy. Make-shift computer hacker rigs that require living by your computer to talk privately over the phone are just a dumb stunt that doesn't do anything for anybody's privacy in the real world. What we need is a true *privacy chip*. For example, a real-time voice-encryption RSA, silicon compile it and spit out ASIC. Put this chip on the market as a de facto standard for international business, diplomats, and private communications. If the U.S. bans it, we make it somewhere else and import it. The Japanese, German, Dutch, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. electronics companies don't want the NSA spying on them. U.S. workers lose more jobs to government fascist stupidity. jhart@agora.rain.com ";-1;0 "From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 38 In article <7975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: >As for rushing... If there really is a qualitative difference between the >minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment (and I don't >believe there is), then wouldn't you rather waste Lopez's 22-year old good >season than his 23-year old very good season or his 24-year-old excellent >season? The sooner you get him acclimated, the more of his prime you get to >use. Can anybody name a player who was 'rushed' to the majors (let's, for argument's sake, define ""rushed"" as brought up to the majors for more than a cup of coffee prior at age 22 or younger, and performing below expectations), whose career was damaged by this rushing? I'm serious; I tend to agree with David that bringing the player up sooner is better, but I'd like to look at players for whom this theory didn't work, if there are any. I'd prefer players within the last 10 years or so, because then I can look up their minor league stats. (It's important to distinguish between players who legitimately had careers below what their minor league numbers would have projected, as opposed to players who were hyped and failed, but actually had careers not out of line with their minor league numbers). Let's kick it off with an example of a player who was ""rushed"", although there doesn't seem to have been any damage to his career. Jay Bell was given 135 PAs in the major leagues at age 21, and performed well below what you would expect from his AAA numbers the same season. He got 236 PAs the next year at age 22, and still underperformed. However, the next year, at age 24, his performance improved, and he won the everyday shortstop job, and has been there ever since. It's really hard for me to see where he would have been better off staying in the minor league (where he was performed quite well in AAA) during this time, rather than being ""rushed""; Cleveland might have been better off, I suppose, because they might have been less likely to give up on him. Yes, if you bring a player up early, he's likely going to struggle. But does that delay the time at which he stops struggling, and starts performing up to expectations? Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com ";-1;0 "From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 43 In article <1993Apr14.122647.16364@tms390.micro.ti.com> david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas) writes: >>In article <13APR199308003715@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes: >>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? >>>I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before >>>an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are >>>superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? >>> >>>I'm old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least >>>a couple of times since the 1960s. Then it was called the >>>""Chinese restaurant syndrome"" because Chinese cuisine has >>>always used it. > >So far, I've seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence, but >no facts. I suspect there is a strong psychological effect at >work here. Does anyone have results from a scientific study >using double-blind trials? Check out #27903, just some 20 posts before your own. Maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses? Yet again, the use of this newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters they have substantial knowledge of. For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on development. It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an excitotoxic food additive, and that its major constituent, glutamate is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain (humans included). Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown off. Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be encountered in a ny single food. By eating lots of junk food, packaged soups, and diet soft drinks, it is possible to jack your blood levels so high, that anyone with a sensitivity to these compounds will suffer numerous *real* physi9logical effects. Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his* sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute. --Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca ";4;1 "From: schellew@wu2.wl.aecl.ca (Wayne Schellekens) Subject: WANTED: DRAM Controller for use with MC68HC16 Keywords: DRAM, HC16 Nntp-Posting-Host: wu2.wl.aecl.ca Organization: AECL Research, Whiteshell Laboratories Distribution: na Lines: 25 For an upcoming project I want to use 4 Megs of DRAM configured as two 2 Meg banks of 16 bit data. I was wondering if anyone out there knows of a DRAM controller which will handle refreshing the data. It's ok if the controller doesn't handle bank switching - that part is easy. The only controllers I know of are the ones out of the National Semiconductor DRAM Management Handbook (1988 edition) eg. DP8429. I would like to know if another manufacturer produces one which may be easier to implement in my circuit. BTW, if anyone is wanting to hook up DRAM to a microcontroller, Dallas Semiconductor makes a neat chip: the DS1262 Serial DRAM Nonvolatizer Chip. It uses the SPI (I2C) bus and refreshes/controls up to 16Mx1 of DRAM memory. It can use an external battery to refresh the DRAM when the power is off. Price is $11.75 from Dallas (quan 1). I wish I could use this chip but its maximum SPI clock rate is 1 MHz (too slow for me...). Thanks in advance, Wayne Schellekens -- Wayne Schellekens, VE4WTS Internet: schellew@wu2.wl.aecl.ca AECL Research AX.25: VE4WTS@VE4KV.#WPG.MB.CAN Whiteshell Laboratories Twisted pair: (204)753-2311 x2317 ";-1;0 "From: mwhaefne@infonode.ingr.com (Mark W. Haefner) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL. Lines: 27 In article trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: > >I don't have a problem with being condemned to Hell either. The > way I see it, if God wants to punish me for being honest in > my skepticism (that is, for saying he doesn't exist), He > certainly wouldn't be changing His nature. Besides, I would > rather spend an eternity in Hell than be beside God in Heaven > knowing even one man would spend his ""eternal life"" being > scorched for his wrongdoings... > I see some irony here. Jesus was willing to go through torture to free you from the definite promise of hell (based on Adam/Eve's fall from grace) but rather than allow him to stand in your place, you would give up your redemption to stand with those who do not accept his grace. God would rather have none in hell, which seems to put the burden of choice on us. Of course, this is all fictional anyway since you reject him also. My former sociology professor once told us at the beginning of our term, ""you all start out with an A...what you do with that during the course of this term is up to you"". In the beginning...Adam and Eve were given an A. Mark Haefner ";-1;0 "From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) Subject: Ellipse from Its Offset Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu Keywords: ellipse Hi! Everyone, Since some people quickly solved the problem of determining a sphere from 4 points, I suddenly recalled a problem which is how to find the ellipse from its offset. For example, given 5 points on the offset, can you find the original ellipse analytically? I spent two months solving this problem by using analytical method last year, but I failed. Under the pressure, I had to use other method - nonlinear programming technique to deal with this problem approximately. Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. Please post here, let the others share our interests. Yeh USC ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Noel B. Lorenzana Subject: Marvel comics for sale! (mostly cover price) Lines: 43 Comics for sale. All are Marvel and the majority of the comics are cover price. Buyer pays shipping. Shipping costs will vary with the quantity you buy. All reasonable offers will be considered. Punisher W.J. 9,10,13,14,15,16,17, 20-28,31-40,43 $1.75 each Punisher 34,42,43,49,51-54, $1.50 each (regular series) 56-62 X-factor #1 $4.00 2-4 3.00 37,48,41,45,50, 1.75 63 4.00 65,66 3.00 69-75 1.50 Annual #7 2.25 Silver Surfer 4,22,23,29,30,41, 50(1st, 3rd print) 51-62 $1.50 each X-force 1-6 $1.50 7-17 1.25 Ghost Rider #5 $8.00 7 4.00 8,11 3.00 13-34 $2.00 each New Mutants 2,7,9,14,15-19,26,48, 50,58,63,87(2nd),100 $2.00 each Marvel Comics 89,91,92,95,96, Presents 99,100 $1.50 each Here you have it. Please send replies to U38134@UICVM.UIC.EDU (Noel Lorenzana) Thanks. ";-1;0 "From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) Subject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: chroma.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr20.142747.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: > In article , loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) writes: > > I saw in the newspaper last night that Dr. Mae Jemison, the first > > black woman in space (she's a physician and chemical engineer who flew > > on Endeavour last year) will appear as a transporter operator on the > > ""Star Trek: The Next Generation"" episode that airs the week of May 31. > > It's hardly space science, I know, but it's interesting. > > > > Doug Loss > > > Interesting is rigth.. I wonder if they will make a mention of her being an > astronaut in the credits.. I think it might help people connect the future of > space with the present.. And give them an idea that we must go into space.. > A transporter operator!?!? That better be one important transport. Usually it is a nameless ensign who does the job. For such a guest appearance I would have expected a more visible/meaningful role. --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, | | Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human | | | stupidity, and I'm not sure | | | about the former. - Einstein | | carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------| | space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami) Subject: Re: note to Bobby M. Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 14 Distribution: sfnet NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi In <1993Apr10.191100.16094@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >Insults about the atheistic genocide was totally unintentional. Under >atheism, anything can happen, good or bad, including genocide. And you know why this is? Because you've conveniently _defined_ a theist as someone who can do no wrong, and you've _defined_ people who do wrong as atheists. The above statement is circular (not to mention bigoting), and, as such, has no value. -- Sami Aario | ""Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode a137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."" -------------------' ""Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"" Eros in ""Plan 9 From Outer Space"" DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros. ";9;1 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: PGP ideas for IBM systems Lines: 7 : I've been thinking about how difficult it would be to make PGP available : in some form on EBCDIC machines. Don't encourage them. Let EBCDIC machines die an honorable death :) G ";16;1 "From: SITUNAYA@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK Subject: HELP WANTED FOR DMORF.......! Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm3090.bham.ac.uk ============================================================================== Please bear with me as i am new at this game, i apologize unreservedly if i hav e posted another message earlier by mistake. but i digress, could anyone out th ere please explain exactly what DMORF does (dtax.exe). Does it simply fade one bitmap into another or does it reshape one bitmap into another. Excuse my ignor ance..... ";1;1 "From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 03/10 - Basic Cryptology Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 187 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 3 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Basic Cryptology. Definitions of basic terms. Beginner references. Cryptanalysis and theoretical/practical strength of ciphers. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part03 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 3: Basic Cryptology This is the third of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents: * What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key? * What references can I start with to learn cryptology? * How does one go about cryptanalysis? * What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance? * What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem? * If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it guaranteed analysis-proof in practice? * Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are relatively easy to break? * What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key? The story begins: When Julius Caesar sent messages to his trusted acquaintances, he didn't trust the messengers. So he replaced every A by a C, every B by a D, and so on through the alphabet. Only someone who knew the ``shift by 2'' rule could decipher his messages. A cryptosystem or cipher system is a method of disguising messages so that only certain people can see through the disguise. Cryptography is the art of creating and using cryptosystems. Cryptanalysis is the art of breaking cryptosystems---seeing through the disguise even when you're not supposed to be able to. Cryptology is the study of both cryptography and cryptanalysis. The original message is called a plaintext. The disguised message is called a ciphertext. Encryption means any procedure to convert plaintext into ciphertext. Decryption means any procedure to convert ciphertext into plaintext. A cryptosystem is usually a whole collection of algorithms. The algorithms are labelled; the labels are called keys. For instance, Caesar probably used ``shift by n'' encryption for several different values of n. It's natural to say that n is the key here. The people who are supposed to be able to see through the disguise are called recipients. Other people are enemies, opponents, interlopers, eavesdroppers, or third parties. * What references can I start with to learn cryptology? For an introduction to technical matter, the survey articles given in part 10 are the best place to begin as they are, in general, concise, authored by competent people, and well written. However, these articles are mostly concerned with cryptology as it has developed in the last 50 years or so, and are more abstract and mathematical than historical. The Codebreakers by Kahn [KAH67] is encyclopedic in its history and technical detail of cryptology up to the mid-60's. Introductory cryptanalysis can be learned from Gaines [GAI44] or Sinkov [SIN66]. This is recommended especially for people who want to devise their own encryption algorithms since it is a common mistake to try to make a system before knowing how to break one. The selection of an algorithm for the DES drew the attention of many public researchers to problems in cryptology. Consequently several textbooks and books to serve as texts have appeared. The book of Denning [DEN82] gives a good introduction to a broad range of security including encryption algorithms, database security, access control, and formal models of security. Similar comments apply to the books of Price & Davies [PRI84] and Pfleeger [PFL89]. The books of Konheim [KON81] and Meyer & Matyas [MEY82] are quite technical books. Both Konheim and Meyer were directly involved in the development of DES, and both books give a thorough analysis of DES. Konheim's book is quite mathematical, with detailed analyses of many classical cryptosystems. Meyer and Matyas concentrate on modern cryptographic methods, especially pertaining to key management and the integration of security facilities into computer systems and networks. The books of Rueppel [RUE86] and Koblitz [KOB89] concentrate on the application of number theory and algebra to cryptography. * How does one go about cryptanalysis? Classical cryptanalysis involves an interesting combination of analytical reasoning, application of mathematical tools, pattern finding, patience, determination, and luck. The best available textbooks on the subject are the Military Cryptanalytics series [FRIE1]. It is clear that proficiency in cryptanalysis is, for the most part, gained through the attempted solution of given systems. Such experience is considered so valuable that some of the cryptanalyses performed during WWII by the Allies are still classified. Modern public-key cryptanalysis may consist of factoring an integer, or taking a discrete logarithm. These are not the traditional fare of the cryptanalyst. Computational number theorists are some of the most successful cryptanalysts against public key systems. * What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance? In a nutshell: If f(x) = y and you know y and can compute f, you can find x by trying every possible x. That's brute-force search. Example: Say a cryptanalyst has found a plaintext and a corresponding ciphertext, but doesn't know the key. He can simply try encrypting the plaintext using each possible key, until the ciphertext matches---or decrypting the ciphertext to match the plaintext, whichever is faster. Every well-designed cryptosystem has such a large key space that this brute-force search is impractical. Advances in technology sometimes change what is considered practical. For example, DES, which has been in use for over 10 years now, has 2^56, or about 10^17, possible keys. A computation with this many operations was certainly unlikely for most users in the mid-70's. The situation is very different today given the dramatic decrease in cost per processor operation. Massively parallel machines threaten the security of DES against brute force search. Some scenarios are described by Garron and Outerbridge [GAR91]. One phase of a more sophisticated cryptanalysis may involve a brute-force search of some manageably small space of possibilities. * What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem? The security of a strong system resides with the secrecy of the key rather than with an attempt to keep the algorithm itself secret. A strong cryptosystem has a large keyspace, as mentioned above. The unicity distance is a measure which gives the minimum amount of ciphertext that must be intercepted to uniquely identify the key and if for some key, the unicity distance is much longer than the amount of ciphertext you intend to encrypt under that key, the system is probably strong. A strong cryptosystem will certainly produce ciphertext which appears random to all standard statistical tests (see, for example, [CAE90]). A strong cryptosystem will resist all known previous attacks. A system which has never been subjected to scrutiny is suspect. If a system passes all the tests mentioned above, is it necessarily strong? Certainly not. Many weak cryptosystems looked good at first. However, sometimes it is possible to show that a cryptosystem is strong by mathematical proof. ``If Joe can break this system, then he can also solve the well-known difficult problem of factoring integers.'' See part 6. Failing that, it's a crap shoot. * If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it guaranteed analysis-proof in practice? Cryptanalytic methods include what is known as ``practical cryptanalysis'': the enemy doesn't have to just stare at your ciphertext until he figures out the plaintext. For instance, he might assume ``cribs''---stretches of probable plaintext. If the crib is correct then he might be able to deduce the key and then decipher the rest of the message. Or he might exploit ``isologs''---the same plaintext enciphered in several cryptosystems or several keys. Thus he might obtain solutions even when cryptanalytic theory says he doesn't have a chance. Sometimes, cryptosystems malfunction or are misused. The one-time pad, for example, loses all security if it is used more than once! Even chosen-plaintext attacks, where the enemy somehow feeds plaintext into the encryptor until he can deduce the key, have been employed. See [KAH67]. * Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are relatively easy to break? Some don't know any better. Often amateurs think they can design secure systems, and are not aware of what an expert cryptanalyst could do. And sometimes there is insufficient motivation for anybody to invest the work needed to crack a system. ";-1;0 "From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.35 Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr14.122647.16364@tms390.micro.ti.com>, david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas) writes: |> cnavarro@cymbal.calpoly.edu (CLAIRE) writes: |> >>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? |> >>I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before |> >>an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are |> >>superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? |> >> |> >>I'm old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least |> >>a couple of times since the 1960s. Then it was called the |> >>""Chinese restaurant syndrome"" because Chinese cuisine has |> >>always used it. |> So far, I've seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence, but |> no facts. I suspect there is a strong psychological effect at |> work here. Does anyone have results from a scientific study |> using double-blind trials? Here is another anecdotal story. I am a picky eater and never wanted to try chinese food, however, I finally tried some in order to please a girl I was seeing at the time. I had never heard of Chinese restaurant syndrome. A group of us went to the restaurant and all shared 6 different dishes. It didn't taste great, but I decided it wasn't so bad. We went home and went to bed early. I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs. I threw up for so long that (I'm not kidding) I pulled a muscle in my tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I'm not allergic to anything that I know of. Suffice to say that I wont go into a chinese restaurant unless I am physically threatened. The smell of the food makes me ill (and that *is* a psycholgical reaction). When I have been dragged in to suffer through beef and broccoli without any sauces, I insist on no MSG. I haven't gotten sick yet. -- Doug Bank Private Systems Division dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207 ";-1;0 "From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Re: 8x oversampling CD player Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Keywords: oversampling, CD, digitized audio Lines: 40 In article hcb@netcom.com (H. C. Bowman) writes: > >Hello-- > >I just bought a new portable CD player for the office, and I notice that >it proudly proclaims ""8 TIMES OVERSAMPLING"" on the box. Now while I think >I understand what oversampling is (the rate of discrete ""samples"" >exceeds the highest frequency component of interest by some factor), >I don't understand this ""8 TIMES"" business... It seems to me that when >I bought my first CD player (was it REALLY 10 years ago?!), the specs >said ""4 TIMES"" ... Could someone please tell me whether I'm getting >senile? If I'm not, then what good does it do for the player to take >samples at a higher rate? If I really wanted better fidelity, wouldn't >I have to have the same higher rate of sampling during the recording >process? Furthermore, am I wrong in interpreting the sampling rate >(from the player's point of view) as being the same thing as the data >rate for the bit stream coming off the optical medium? Does this mean >that the data rate (related to the rotational speed of the disk) has >changed since 1983? [Note: I just tried to figure this stuff out about a month ago myself, from various people on the net, so I could be wrong.] The data is only ever read once (barring mistracks and such, of course), and eventually gets turned into 44.1 KHz, 16 bit, two channel data. Oversampling takes two discrete data points, and interpolates n-1 points between them for n times oversampling. When I asked, people said that the interpolation was not simply linear interpolation, but significantly more complicated. Anyway, then, the purpose of oversampling is to move the ""effective"" sampling rate up to n times 44.1 KHz, in order to use higher frequency antialiasing filters. For the same quality filter, higher oversampling lets you build cheaper filters, whereas for the same price filter, higher oversamplings lets you build better filters. So, assuming the quality of all other components in a CD player remained the same, oversampling should allow a manufacturer to produce _slightly_ better sound due to anti-alias filtering. ---Joel Kolstad ";11;1 "From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor) Subject: Re: AmiPro/Deskjet 500 Printing Problem Article-I.D.: vcd.C52wt5.F2 Distribution: usa Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Tom Belmonte x4858 (tbelmont@feds55.prime.com) wrote: : : Hello, : : I recently tried to print some envelopes using AmiPro 3.0 with my : Deskjet 500 printer, and I seem to be having a problem. What : happens is after I physically load the envelope into the printer : (per the user manual) and then select the ""Print Envelope"" icon : from AmiPro (all of the proper options have been selected), the : printer just ""spits out"" the envelope without any printing of : either a return address or the selected mailing address. At : this point, the printer's ""ONLINE"" light begins to flash, and : the Print Manager shows the printer job as busy. This is all : that happens, until I either shut the printer off or cancel the : printing job from the Print Manager. I have also tried this : without the use of the Print Manager, with similar results : (AmiPro shows the printer as being busy). So, does anybody : have any idea/solution regarding this problem? I appreciate : the help. Thanks. Yes - ignore the manual. Just insert the evelope - don't use the keypad to move it up. The Windows driver sends a message to the printer that tells it to load the envelope - if it is already loaded, it gets ejected and the printer tries to load another. The instructions in the manual are for dumb DOS apps. that don't send the ""load envelople"" message. : : -- Tom Belmonte Bob Taylor HP Vancouver ";-1;0 "From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Distribution: na Lines: 22 In klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes: >cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: >> In article <1993Apr13.195301.22652@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: >> } >> } Guess which line is which: >> } BA OBP SLG AB H 2B 3B HR BB >> } X .310 .405 .427 571 177 27 8 8 87 >> } Y .312 .354 .455 657 205 32 1 20 35 >I just love how the Alomar fans left RBIs off this list. Give me a break! Alomar fans left RBI fans and Runs off this list because they are dependant on the team. (To a large extent). If Frank Thomas hit first, he'd lose a LOT of RBI's; and anyways how many 2nd place hitters have you known to drive in 100 runs? Doesn't happen that often.....very unlikely with Devon White's ~.300 OBP in front of you... Gord Niguma (fav player: John Olerud) ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Name of MD's eyepiece? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 13 In article clarke@watson.ibm.com (Ed Clarke) writes: >|> |It's not an eyepiece. It is called a head mirror. All doctors never > >A speculum? The speculum is the little cone that fits on the end of the otoscope. There are also vaginal specula that females and gynecologists are all too familiar with. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split In-Reply-To: tdawson@engin.umich.edu's message of 19 Apr 1993 19:43:52 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: graphics.cs.nyu.edu Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences <1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com> <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Lines: 16 Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? Just curious. I disagree. You could learn the same amount by reading all the split groups, and it would make things easier for those of us who are less omnivorous. There is no ""waste"" in creating news groups -- its just a bit of shuffling about. I have no problem with only a few posts per week per group - I spend too much time on this as it is. -david ";-1;0 "From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: Re: technology Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 28 mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: > ...the computer is not a fantasyland where one's responsibilities > disappear. The people on the net are real; slander and deception carried > out by net are just as wrong as they would be if carried out on paper > or face to face. Well said, Michael! The Catholic traditon has a list of behaviours called the Spiritual Works of Mercy: admonish the sinner instruct the ignorant counsel the doubtful comfort the sorrowful bear wrongs patiently forgive all injury pray for the living and the dead (yes, I know there is some controversy on this and I don't want to argue about it.) These are all things that have a direct application to usenet. People ask questions and express doubts. Some are in need of comfort or prayers. Imagine what would happen to flame wars if we bore wrongs patiently and forgave injuries. I would add that it is probably more appropriate to do any admonishing by private email than publicly. Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org ";-1;0 "From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 47 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article fontenot@ravl.rice.edu (Dwayne Jacques Fontenot) writes: > In green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) writes: > >Just to shed some light on the fire, it was widely reported (AP, etc.) that > >there WERE several witnesses to BD folks starting the fires. It has also > >been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once, which > >rules out a Bradley knocking over a lamp, etc. as the cause. > > Consider this: The BDs had more than one lamp; The tanks made more than > one hole in the building. Did anyone else notice on the video that it > appeared that wherever there was smoke coming out of the building, there > was a tank nearby? > > The fact that it appears that fires started in several places does not > rule out anything. I watched it live, and have re-watched it several times, and from the press vantage point, there was only one starting point visible, where the tank punched in on the windward side, and the winds whipped that fire across the whole, dry, wooden, structure in minutes. Faned by the 30 mph gusts, and the Hueys. If there were other fires started, they were not visible, nor were they needed to cause the flame progression I observed. > > Also, where are these several witnesses? The way I heard it (from the FBI > spokesman on CNN) the ""witnesses"" were all people driving the tanks. > All witnesses get thier paychecks from the FBI. > >One other point, I'm no fan of Janet Reno, but I do like the way she had the > >""balls"" to go ahead and take full responsibility. Seems like the waffle boy > >had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue. > > Too bad nothing will happen to her or him. The FBI and the media have > done their job well. > Yep. They media has endorsed the FBI version without question. Sad. > Dwayne Jacques Fontenot Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 ";-1;0 "From: matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) Subject: Re: Asynchronous X Windows? Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.1.32 In <1382.9304261508@zztop.dps.co.uk> gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) writes: >>> No, it isn't. It is the ""X Window System"", or ""X11"", or ""X"" or any of >>> a number of other designations accepted by the X Consortium.... >>> >>> There is no such thing as ""X Windows"" or ""X Window"", despite the repeated >>> misuse of the forms by the trade rags. >I used to think this way, and not just about X. For example, incorrect >English constructs such as ""its raining"" or ""it's window id"" annoy me. >However, there comes a time when popular usage starts to dictate the way >things really are in the world. Well, yes and no. I don't particularly want this discussion to spark a lengthy debate, but I do think it's worth pointing out that ""popular usage"" is not always sufficient excuse. In this case, for example, I think an appropriate parallel may be found in the pronunciation of proper names: if people commonly misspelled or mispronounced your name, would you feel compelled to change it? Probably not. The same is true of X. ""The X Window System"", ""X"", ""X11"", and related monickers are proper names in the same sense that any product name is a proper name. In fact, some of them are *trademarked* names. The fact that many people get them wrong is largely beside the point. As for the trade publications that promulgate things like ""X Window"" or ""X.windows"" or any of the other nonsensical variants one often sees, consider the fact that these publications are supposedly written by *journalists*. Would you trust the facts of a journalist who couldn't be bothered to get the name of his/her source right? Would you trust a product review by someone who got the name of the product wrong? Popular usage is as it may be, but I for one am all for holding people who claim to be journalists to a higher standard of correctness. >Indeed, the fact that X won out over NeWS >was really down to popular opinion (I know, we all think it's(!) technically >superior as well!). X11 technically superior to NeWS? Well, in *some* alternate universe perhaps ... ";-1;0 "From: bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Uwe Bonnes) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: LTE, University of Erlangen, Germany Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: aladin.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) asked: |> |> Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used |> to compute sunrise and sunset times. |> |> I would appreciate any advice. |> |> Joe Wetstein |> jpw@coe.drexel.edu To compute this, and many other astronomical things, go and get (x)ephem written by Elwood C. Downey. It is e.g. on export.lcs.mit.edu Uwe Bonnes bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de ";-1;0 "From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) Subject: Re: New Home for the Bosox!!! Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY Lines: 19 > I agree, though I'd also be happy with a stadium that looks > like new Comiskey. The new park was also made for baseball. > Unlike Three Rivers, the Vet, Riverfront, etc., it's not a > football park in which they also play baseball. While we're on the multipurpose subject, let's not forget Shea, which was designed to accommodate both the Mets & Jets. It was the first stadium (I think) to have the box seats on rollers so they could be oriented at right angles for baseball & in parallel for football. Of course, with the Jets gone to Jersey (and a truly good football stadium), the Mets are saddled with a multipurpose stadium where, because it's circular, the seats are almost always too far from the action. The Mets announcers--Kiner & Murphy in particular--have always hyped it as ""beautiful Shea Stadium,"" a tipoff to how unbeautiful it truly is. Jay ";-1;0 "From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 102 In article <66020@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >Assuming you are presenting it accurately, I don't see how this argument >really leads to any firm conclusion. The material in John (I'm not sure >exactly what is referred to here, but I'll take for granted the similarity >to the Matt./Luke ""Q"" material) IS different; hence, one could have almost >any relationship between the two, right up to John getting it straight from >Jesus' mouth. > No, the argument says John has known Q, ie a codified version of the logia, and not the original, assuming that there has been one. It has weaknesses, of course, like that John might have known the original, yet rather referred to Q in his text, or that the logia were given in a codified version in the first place. The argument alone does not allow a firm conclusion, but it fits well into the dating usually given for the gospels. >>We are talking date of texts here, not the age of the authors. The usual >>explanation for the time order of Mark, Matthew and Luke does not consider >>their respective ages. It says Matthew has read the text of Mark, and Luke >>that of Matthew (and probably that of Mark). > >The version of the ""usual theory"" I have heard has Matthew and Luke >independently relying on Mark and ""Q"". One would think that if Luke relied >on Matthew, we wouldn't have the grating inconsistencies in the geneologies, >for one thing. > Not necessarily, Luke may have trusted the version he knew better than the version given by Matthew. Improving on Matthew would give a motive, for instance. As far as I know, the theory that Luke has known Matthew is based on a statistical analysis of the texts. >>As it is assumed that John knew the content of Luke's text. The evidence >>for that is not overwhelming, admittedly. > >This is the part that is particularly new to me. If it were possible that >you could point me to a reference, I'd be grateful. > Yep, but it will take another day or so to get the source. I hope your German is good enough. :-) >>>Unfortunately, I haven't got the info at hand. It was (I think) in the late >>>'70s or early '80s, and it was possibly as old as CE 200. > >>When they are from about 200, why do they shed doubt on the order on >>putting John after the rest of the three? > >Because it closes up the gap between (supposed) writing and the existing >copy quit a bit. The further away from the original, the more copies can be >written, and therefore survival becomes more probable. > I still do not see how copies from 200 allow to change the dating of John. >>That John was a disciple is not generally accepted. The style and language >>together with the theology are usually used as counterargument. > >I'm not really impressed with the ""theology"" argument. But I'm really >pointing this out as an ""if"". And as I pointed out earlier, one cannot make >these arguments about I Peter; I see no reason not to accept it as an >authentic letter. > Yes, but an if gives only possibilities and no evidence. The authencity of many letters is still discussed. It looks as if conclusions about them are not drawn because some pet dogmas of the churches would probably fall with them as well. >>One step and one generation removed is bad even in our times. Compare that >>to reports of similar events in our century in almost illiterate societies. > >The best analogy would be reporters talking to the participants, which is >not so bad. > Well, rather like some newsletter of a political party reporting from the big meeting. Not necessarily wrong, but certainly bad. >>In other words, one does not know what the original of Mark did look like >>and arguments based on Mark are pretty weak. > >But the statement of divinity is not in that section, and in any case, it's >agreed that the most important epistles predate Mark. Yes, but the accuracy of their tradition is another problem. Question: Are there letters not from Paul and predating Mark claiming the divinity of Jesus? Benedikt ";9;1 "Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Distribution: usa <93104.231 <1993Apr15.184452.27322@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr15.184452.27322@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says: > >In article <93104.231049U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz > >>All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as >>I am not really familiar enough with handguns. > >That's not all that Kratz doesn't know. > >>Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing >>that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is >>that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. > >Now we know that Kratz doesn't understand what a safety is supposed to >do. (He also confuses ""things he can see"" with ""things that exist""; >Glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the >outside.) > Excuse me but I do know what I safety is supposed to do. It's basic purpose - not to let the gun fire until you're ready. Christ, I've known that since I had my first Crosman air gun. You don't know me so don't make assumptions about what I know and don't know. I do know that the Glock has multiple safties from reports, looking at them at a gun shop, and friends who own one. >A safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off UNLESS that's >what the user wants. With Glocks, one says ""I want the gun to go >off"" by pulling the trigger. If the safeties it has make that work, >it has a ""real"" safety, no matter what Kratz thinks. > >-andy >-- From the things I have read/heard Glocks are always knocked because of the trigger safety. They are supposedly harder to learn to use properly. Every article that I have read can't be wrong about the damn thing. And don't ask me to quote my sources because I don't keep a ton of gun magazines and/or rec.guns articles laying around. Boy, you can't make a simple statement on here without someone getting right on your ass. No wonder why there are so many problems in the world. Everyone takes everything just a little too seriously. By the way, I'm not going to reply to any of this stuff anymore as someone made the good point that this discussion is getting too close to r.g (And yes I know that I had something to do with that). Jason ";-1;0 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >mathew writes: >>As for rape, surely there the burden of guilt is solely on the rapist? > >Not so. If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you >blame the tiger? A human has greater control over his/her actions, than a predominately instictive tiger. A proper analogy would be: If you are thrown into a cage with a person and get mauled, do you blame that person? Yes. [ providing that that person was in a responsible frame of mind, eg not clinicaly insane, on PCB's, etc. ] --- ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men."" Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993 The one TRUE Muslim left in the world. ";9;1 "From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Keenan signs with the Rangers!! Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article <1993Apr16.175300.98134@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> cpc4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CONNIN PATRICK COLGAIN) writes: >Just heard on the news that Mike Keenan formerly of the Blackhawks, Flyers, >and General of a Siberian Prison has just signed to coach the Rangers. The >Rangers, who won the President's Cup last year have slipped just a bit at the >end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly Flyers. >The Flyers' fans are going to be disappointed on Keenans decision, because >they were very interested in him. Oh well. At least we got somebody the Flyers wanted ;-) Is this really true? I have not been keeping up with any news. If it is, what's the deal with Neil Smith? Is he gone, too? -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" ";-1;0 "From: derich@netcom.com (Scotty*Tissue) Subject: 15-day, 30-day, 60-day disabled list questions Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 20 I've a curiousity -- Whenever a person is put on the 15-day, 30-day or 60-day, the person is on the list longer than the specificed time I've seen a person on the 15-day for maybe 4 months last year, I don't remember what... I just need a little clarification on the disabled list specifications. - Scotyy -- Scott Allen Steinbrink ************************************************ * GO CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!! NBA FINALS '93!!!!!!* NetCom: Derich@netcom.com * GO CLEVELAND INDIANS!!!! WORLD SERIES '93!!!!* Digex: derich@digex.com * GO CLEVELAND BROWNS!!!!! SUPER BOWL '94!!!!!!* ************************************************ ";-1;0 "From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) Subject: Re: eXpEn$iVe MOTOROLA Handheld Radio For Peanuts! Nntp-Posting-Host: smassimini-mac.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation Distribution: na Lines: 30 Agent_X writes: > I can no longer use anything japanese. Kenwood, Yeasu, Icom, Alinco, its > ALL JUNK. ^^^^^^^^ Well, I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, but I agree that Motorola gear is of better quality. The question is how much that quality is worth to a ham in amateur service, not commercial service >This radio can hear a repeater thats 40 miles away without > an antenna. Ok, great. But how often does that come up? How good is ""good enough"", and how much is someone willing to pay for it? A good ham-quality HT is maybe $500, while a commercial quality one is maybe $2000. Is the increased reliability and performance worth 4 times the price *in amateur service*? Only the individual involved can answer that question, and each ham has to decide for him/herself. If Motorola quality is worth 4 times the price to you, then more power to ya'. But I'm amazed that folks make that choice. For, me, given that I've got $2000 to spend, I'l pick the Yaesu ht and a nice new HF rig every time over a Motorola ht alone, no matter how good it is. To me, ham-quality gear is ""good enough"". To each his own... 73... Mike, N4PDY ****************************** * These are my opinions only.* ****************************** ";-1;0 "From: rlister@cti.com (Russell Lister) Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) Organization: Comprehensive Technologies Int., Inc. Lines: 49 ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: >I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 >I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion >is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click >on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to >the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly >for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump >again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have >never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? >Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! I had the same problem. At first, I thought it was the video driver and made sure I had the most current drivers, because the problem was most evident at SVGA resolution modes. It didn't help and after a bit of experimentation, determined that the problem existed in standard VGA resolution mode. It was just much less noticeable. My mouse was an older MS serial version I bought second hand in 1990. It worked just fine in DOS and DOS based graphic applications. On the guess that the problem was with the resolution of the mouse, I borrowed a new mouse (a MS bus model) and tried it. That solved the problem. So, if your mouse is old, you may want to try replacing it for a newer one. >--- >Sean Eckton >Computer Support Representative >College of Fine Arts and Communications >D-406 HFAC >Brigham Young University >Provo, UT 84602 >(801)378-3292 >hfac_csr@byu.edu >ecktons@ucs.byu.edu -- signoff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Russ Lister rlister@cti.com -or- {well connected systen}!uunet!cti1!rlister Comprehensive Technologies Int'l Inc., Arlington, VA ============================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) Subject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650 Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: tea.eng.umd.edu In article <1ql7naINN2l8@shelley.u.washington.edu> davisson@stein.u.washington.edu (Gordon Davisson) writes: >Mind you, this doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. The parts that can >blow (the ADB power fuse and RF filter) aren't too expensive, so IF you >have a someone around who can do component-level repair, it may be worth >the risk (especially if you're around Seattle, 'cause you might get to >pay *me* to fix it :-)).. On the other hand, if your only repair option >is the Apple-standard logic board swap (major $$$$), you should probably >play it safe. > > >SCSI: yes, ADB: yes, Floppies: yes... They can all cause trouble. OTOH, some of us get lucky-- I've unplugged and replugged SCSI and ADB quite often, and never blown anything. I blew out the ADB by shorting the cable, though. -- Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu Some news readers expect ""Disclaimer:"" here. Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force. (not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice) ";-1;0 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Big amateur rockets Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 30 In article pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas) writes: >Anyhow, the ad stated that they'd sell rockets that were up to 20' in length >and engines of sizes ""F"" to ""M"". They also said that some rockets will >reach 50,000 feet. > >Now, aside from the obvious dangers to any amateur rocketeer using one >of these beasts, isn't this illegal? I can't imagine the FAA allowing >people to shoot rockets up through the flight levels of passenger planes. The situation in this regard has changed considerably in recent years. See the discussion of ""high-power rocketry"" in the rec.models.rockets frequently-asked-questions list. This is not hardware you can walk in off the street and buy; you need proper certification. That can be had, mostly through Tripoli (the high- power analog of the NAR), although the NAR is cautiously moving to extend the upper boundaries of what it considers proper too. You need special FAA authorization, but provided you aren't doing it under one of the LAX runway approaches or something stupid like that, it's not especially hard to arrange. As with model rocketry, this sort of hardware is reasonably safe if handled properly. Proper handling takes more care, and you need a lot more empty air to fly in, but it's basically just model rocketry scaled up. As with model rocketry, the high-power people use factory-built engines, which eliminates the major safety hazard of do-it-yourself rocketry. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";-1;0 "From: thang@harebell.egr.uh.edu (Chin-Heng Thang) Subject: Win 3.1 startup screen downgraded to win 3.0 startup screen ???!!!?!?! Organization: University of Houston Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: harebell.egr.uh.edu HHHHEEEELLLLPPPP Meeeeeee! I installed a 256 color svga driver for my windows last week. This driver was downloaded from ftp.cica.indiana.edu specifically for Paradise svga card. However, after I installed it and when I run windows, the startup screen in the beginning becomes the old windows 3.0 startup screen ????!!??!! Everything works fine except the startup screen. I know the startup screen must have been changed in the system.ini file (or is it ?) but I couldn't figure out what to alter! Can some one help me with this? Please e-mail to my address: thang@tree.egr.uh.edu or thang@jetson.uh.edu In addition, can anyone know where can I get a 1024x680 paradise svga driver (256 color) ? this is a used computer and I do not have anything (drivers, etc) regarding the driver.... thanks in advance.......;o) ";-1;0 "From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) Subject: Re: How NOT to put a motor together Article-I.D.: tekgen.2419 Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr6.183553.19539@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes: >In article <65886@mimsy.umd.edu>, leavitt@cs (Mr. Bill) writes: > >[put pistons in bores first then lower onto bottom end deleted] > >>Has anybody actually carried out this procedure? I can visualize fewer >>problems with canting pistons in the cylinders with this method, but >>more trouble with keeping the bores suspended (especially for the first >>two pistons) and with working space to insert piston pins and clips >>(especially for the last two pistons). It is certainly possible, and quite easy in most cases, especially on two-strokes. It's very common to do this on bikes where the cylinder-mounting through-studs don't prevent the cylinder from being removed with the engine in the frame. I did this when I assembled the top end on my Indian, which was easier yet because it does not have through-studs. Base flange studs, and separate head bolts, dontchaknow. You have to use a little foresight, rags, duct tape, etc. to keep clips from falling in, clothespins, hoseclamps, etc. to support the cylinder while you're inserting the pins. (Are these called Gudgeon Pins in the UK? If so, what's a Gudgeon?) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dave Tharp | DoD #0751 | ""You can't wear out | | davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM | MRA #151 | an Indian Scout, | | '88 K75S '48 Indian Chief | AHRMA #751 | Or its brother the Chief.| | '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751) | AMA #524737 | They're built like rocks | | '65 R50/2/Velorex '57 NSU Max | | to take the knocks, | | 1936 BMW R12 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that | | My employer has no idea. | Joiner) | give you grief."" | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 14 In article Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org writes: I realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior who saw no problem with deforestation since we were ""living in the last days"" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods anyway? -- Terrance Heath heath@athena.cs.uga.edu ****************************************************************** YOUR COMFORT IS MY SILENCE!!!!! ACT-UP! FIGHT BACK! TALK BACK! ****************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <1993Apr21.150545.24058@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: |In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: | | |In spite of my great respect for the people you speak of, I think their |cost estimates are a bit over-optimistic. If nothing else, a working SSTO |is at least as complex as a large airliner and has a smaller experience |base. It therefore seems that SSTO development should cost at least as |much as a typical airliner development. That puts it in the $3G to $5G |range. > Alan, don't forget, a HUGE cost for airliner developement is FAA certification. the joke is when the paperwork exceeds teh weight of the airplane, it will fly. The SR-71, and teh X-15 both highly ambitious aero-space projects were done on very narrow engineering budgets. Partly because they didn't spend much on paper pushing. There is some company in missouri trying to get funding to build light commercial transporters on a low cost basis, mostly by reducing FAA certification costs. pat ";-1;0 "From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) Subject: Re: Goldwing performance Reply-To: randy@megatek.com Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California Lines: 12 In article <3880206@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes: |According to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a |real dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that |doesn't defecate much. =:-] But, think of the *mystique* you are buying into for that extra $7k or more!!! Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy DoD #0013 ";-1;0 "From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Part 1 and part 2 (re: Homosexuality) Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 80 In article rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes: >Perhaps you don't get it, and maybe you never will. Many didn't get it in the >Middle Ages and the proclaimed God's will be done as they massacred thousands >in witch hunts and inquisitions. There were many injustices in the middle ages. And this is truely sad. I would hate to see a day when churches put people to death or torchured them for practicing homosexuality, or any other crime. The church is not called to take over the governments of the world. It may be that homosexuals treated cruelly today, but that does not mean that we should teach Christians to practice homosexual immorality. Do you think that we should also teach Christians to practice divination and channelling because the witches in the middle ages were persecuted. >The major flaw in all this posturing is that in the end, the >final effect of posts like that of yours and Mr. Hudson is that YOU have a >""conditional"" love for gays. Condition: Change and we'll love you. This is >sure strange coming from a group who claim that God has an ""unconditional"" >love, one that calls people ""just as they are."" And you accuse me of judging? When did you look into my heart and see if I have love. I have been writing that we should not teach Christians to practice homosexual immorality, and you pretend to have divine knowledge to look into my heart. I can't say that I love homosexuals as I should- I can't say that I love my neighbor as I should either. I don't know very many homosexuals as it is. But Jesus loves homosexuals, just as He loves everyone else. If His love were conditional, I not know Him at all. Yes. We should show love to homosexuals, but it is not love to encourage brothers in the church to stumble and continue in their sin. That is a very damaging and dangerous thing. >The results of the passing amendment in >Colorado has created an organization who's posters are appearing all over >Colorado called ""S.T.R.A.I.G.H.T."" (I forget the whole definition off hand, >but the last part was Against Immoral Gross Homosexual Trash) and their motto >is ""Working for a fag-free America"" with an implicit advocation for violence. > >This is sick, and it seems to be what you and Mr. Hudson, and others are >embracing. That is slander. I could just as easily say that NAMBLA has been able to implement legislation to make child molesting easier because of the tearing down of societies morality due to people accepting homosexuality as normal, and that this is what you are embracing. I do believe that homosexual sex is immoral, that does not mean I endorse using violence against them. There is a problem of hatred in the church. But there is also the problem of what has been called ""unsanctified mercy."" Many in the conservative churches have seen the moral breakdown in this country and the storm on the horizon, and have gotten militant in the flesh. This is truely sad. Yet others in other churches have embraced immorality in society, and have pointed to the carnality in the conservative churches to justify their actions. >Why don't we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people >to Jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away? Certainly we should not use a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus. But we shouldn't water down the gospel to draw people in. Jesus didn't go out of His way to show only what might be considered positive aspects to draw people in. He told one man to sell all He had. He told another not to say good bye to His family. His words were hard at times. We should present people with the cost of the tower before we allow them to begin construction. many people have already been innoculated to the gospel. Link Hudson. > >Whatever > >Rich :-( ";-1;0 "From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: How large are commercial keys? Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 15 butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) writes: > Finally, can anyone even concieve of a time/place where 128 bit keys aren't > sufficient? It depends on the algorithm used. 128-bit secret keys for RSA are definitively not secure enough. Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany ";-1;0 "From: jmiller@network.com (Jeff J. Miller) Subject: Re: Need info on Porsche 914's Nntp-Posting-Host: brew Reply-To: jmiller@network.com Organization: Network Systems Corporation Lines: 43 In article 6126@midway.uchicago.edu, buzy@quads.uchicago.edu (Len Buzyna) writes: >Hi there, >I've recently been toying with the idea of purchasing an old 914. The going >rate seems to be about $4000 for cars with anywhere from 40-80K Mi. >My question is this- what should I expect at this price? Should I expect to >have extensive body work done? What about engine & transmission- should I >likewise expect to have both virtually replaced? Along those lines, >does anyone have the names & addresses of any mail-order parts >suppliers for everything from engine to body parts? I'm completely new >to the area of restoring cars, and as I don't actually do any work with >cars, most of the work would have to be professionally done- what sould >I expect the cost of upgrading a 914 to a rust-free, mechanically >sound automobile? >Thanks in advance, >Andre >.. > True 914 enthusiasts will be able to give you a better answer then this but I'll dump my impressions. I've wanted to own a 914 for about 10 years now; came close once but I ended up buying a Fiero instead (biggest mistake of my life!) Anyway, for $4000 you should be able to get a nice car but your also set in the price range to get taken by a nice looker that is a pile of shit. The most common total failure for the car would be frame rust between the engine and passenger compartment. Also look for chassis welded together here. Oh yeah, the price range you are talking about must be the 4 banger; a 6 (if you could find one) would be mucho more bucks. Parts for the engine are pretty easy to come by (for an old car) and you can even locate crude in the JC Whitney catalog if you have too. The machine itself is pretty simple (they use the spare tire for windshild washer instead of a pump fer chris sake!) so getting it fixed by a good bug/porsche mechanic would be easy. Since it is mid-engine you may spend more on labor for any mechanical work. -- Jeff Miller Network Systems Corporation Internetwork Group 7600 Boone Avenue North jmiller@network.com Minneapolis MN 55428 (612)424-4888 ";-1;0 "From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) Subject: Re: Rockies need some relief Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr18.225740.15978@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes: >shaky) innings giving up just one run. Then game the dreaded relief. Three ^^^^ >picthers combined to give up 3 runs (one each I believe) in the 7th inning ^^^^^^^^ >be taken lightly. Going into today's game, the had the league's leading ^^^ Geez, can I type or what? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";14;1 "From: rsc@altair.csustan.edu (Steve Cunningham) Subject: Re: SIGGRAPH Summary: No free lunch this year! Organization: CSU Stanislaus Lines: 27 srnelson@speedsail.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott R. Nelson) writes: > dave.mikelson@almac.co.uk (Dave Mikelson) writes: > ... > >Does anyone know if there is an 'open day' for the public at any time? > >That is, not to attend conferences, but just browse around the > >exhibits. Or are the exhibits etc just for fully registered attendees? > was free as long as you got it to Siggraph on or before July 7. > For 1991, it was similar: $20.00 or free before July 9. It is safe > to assume that the same kind of deal will be available this year. I just got my advance program and the ""card in the back"" is for the Exhibits Plus program -- the exhibits plus admission to a number of conference venues, including a special general session, ""Behind the Scenes: Computer Graphics in Film."" Admission is not free, but is a nominal $30 (exhibits are open August 3 -- 5). To get a copy of the advance program, you can call 312-321-6830; the advance program itself is a good indication of the excitement of the conference! > > Register early and get in for free. Sorry -- doesn't work this year! -- Steve Cunningham ";-1;0 "From: pereira@CAM.ORG (Dean Pereira) Subject: Canadiens - another Stanley Cup??? Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC CANADA Lines: 12 With the kind of team Montreal has now, they can take the cup easily. The only problem they have right now is that everyone is trying to steal the show and play alone. They need some massive teamwork. They are also in a little of a slump because long-time hockey Montreal Canadiens announcer Claude Mouton died last tuesday and it was rough on everybody because he has worked with the organization for 21 years. But I know that is no excuse. But if the Habs manage to get some good teamwork and get into the spirit, they should have no problem winning in May. Dean ";-1;0 "From: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) Subject: Re: JETS FANS! Hrivnak or Tabaracci?? Article-I.D.: ncsu.1993Apr6.215225.11611 Reply-To: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 22 Originator: fmsalvat@c00574-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu > >After seeing Hrivnak and Tabarraci play, who > >would you prefer to have? And how about > >Tyler Larter? What ever happened to him?? > > You know what my answer will be: Hrivnak! The choice is obvious. > > > Ok, but have you seen Tabaracci play yet? In his two starts and his relief effort for Beaupre, he has looked mighty sharp - don't forget the shutout. I think he's let in just four goals over eight periods of play. I like Hrivnak, but we might actually have to give some credit to David Poile for a change after this trade. Hopefully if Tabaracci starts against the Isles tonight, I haven't jinxed him. Frank Salvatore fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu ";13;1 "From: volkert@kub.nl (Volkert) Subject: Q: which of these CD-ROM players would you choose for OS/2? Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands Nntp-Posting-Host: itkdsh.kub.nl Lines: 38 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Netters! I need a cdrom drive as my order was cancelled and thought 'Why not ask the net.community'? I was ordering a Nec CDR-74 but saw so much cheaper ones that I want to know more. The drive will be used to install software and (if available) for listening to CD's. Perhaps some day I'll want to use it to read the other CD's, but that's not really relevant at the moment. I've been offered the following CD-ROM players, for the prices stated. They all claim to have SCSI-I, and operate under OS/2. The drives are not listed in the cdrom-faq and therefor, please give your opinions on the drives, i've got the impression that they're not all SCSI. Actually the Nec was listed as non-scsi in the cdrom-faq and as a compatible SCSI product in the os2faq. I've calculated the prices as having dutch guilders times 2. It's actually about times 1.8. Mitsumi CRMC $240 Philips LMS-I $300 Philips 205 $350 Toshiba ? $370 Nec CDR-74 $650 Who bought that Trantor that is in the faq? It's extremely cheap and SCSI, so what's the trick or where can I order it (Holland using MasterCard). Trantor T128 $200 regards, JV ///// name: J-V Meuldijk [ o o ] address: gildelaar 4 \_=_/ 4847 hw teteringen fax: +3176-600220 _| |_ holland e-mail: volkert@kub.nl / \_/ \ _____________________________________________________________oOOO___OOOo__ ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Request for Support From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr5.095148.5730@sei.cmu.edu> dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood) writes: >2. If you must respond to one of his articles, include within it >something similar to the following: > > ""Please answer the questions posed to you in the Charley Challenges."" Agreed. -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) ";-1;0 "From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) Article-I.D.: engr.Apr06.203257.20048 Distribution: na Organization: clearer than blir Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.42.145.4 In article <1993Apr6.194738.20021@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: [blah blah blah] >Ok if you are so right, name a few good examples that were brought up. let's create a new group: rec.autos.CR-is-right-no-its-not-yes-it-is-oh-yeah- my-father-can-lick-your-father-....... :-) eliot ";-1;0 "From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) Subject: Re: Blood Cholesterol - Gabe Mirkin's advice Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.35 Lines: 29 In article <1pka0uINNnqa@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes: |> Forget about total cholesterol when assessing health risk factors. |> Instead, use a relationship between LDL and HDL cholesterol: |> |> If your LDL is You need an HDL of at least |> |> 90 35 |> 100 45 |> 110 50 |> 120 55 |> 130 60 |> 140 70 Gee, what do I do? My LDL is only 50-60. (and my HDL is only 23-25) I must be risking something, but Is it the same risk as those with very high LDL? |> If your triglycerides are above 300, and your HDL is below 30, the |> drug of choice is gemfibrozil (Lopid) taken as a 600mg tablet |> thirty minutes before your morning and evening meals. What about exercise and a low-fat diet? What are the long-term effects of this drug? -- Doug Bank Private Systems Division dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Motorola Communications Sector dougb@nwu.edu Schaumburg, Illinois dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 708-576-8207 ";4;1 "From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: capriccioso X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Distribution: na Lines: 54 I am eager to hear the legal theory behind restricting exchange of cryptographic data and encrypted messages, given the first admendment; the theory behind regulating the *personal* encryption of one's personal *thoughts and feelings* seems even less tenable. Perhaps if we make a *treaty* with, say, Iceland, to restrict crypto paraphernalia can a good ""end run"" around the Constitution happen... (Treaties -- as someone pointed out -- has the force of any other ""law of the land"". Like the Bill of Rights.) Amendment 1 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Amendment 2 A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Amendment 3 No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. Amendment 4 The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Amendment 5 No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Well -- at least for a few minutes we had some privacy... -- grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F ";-1;0 "From: aa711@Freenet.carleton.ca (Ken Darcovich) Subject: west coast NHL playoff games Reply-To: aa711@Freenet.carleton.ca (Ken Darcovich) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 28 Us easterners who have newspapers with editors unsympathetic to playoff pools, often don't get summaries from west coast games since they finish too late at night for the morning edition. I (and I'm sure others too) would greatly appreciate it if scoring summaries of west coast playoff games could be posted to this group right away. basically, all we need are goal scorers and assists, don't bother with times, penalties, shots etc... this would make a lot of pool-obsessed people very happy. I guess with the Senators out golfing now, the local papers have lost interest. ;-) thanks. kd. -- ";-1;0 "From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) Subject: Re: Truly a sad day for hockey In-Reply-To: Anna Matyas's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 13:34:29 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 ""Mom"" writes: >I fear that within the next decade or so the only professional sports team >left in Pittsburgh will be the Steelers. Perish the thought...but you know, you may be right, at least as far as MAJOR LEAGUE professional sports teams go. They all seem to be becoming BIG MONEY games, much more so than at any previous time. To think that if I am ever able to move back home several years from now, all that may be there is an AHL team, at best...SIGH. The interesting thing is that the NHL is also expanding, at the same time as it is dramatically increasing the amount of money needed to operate a team. This would seem to indicate that there's a BIG shake-out about to occur in the next few years, unless player salaries can somehow be brought under control. Frankly, I don't see how the NHL's current drive for expansion is supportable under its current operating conditions. If revenue sharing AND a salary cap don't come into the NHL soon, look out. -Steve ";-1;0 "From: dlc@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (David Claytor) Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu In article <1r00fdINNddt@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> thewho@athena.mit.edu (Derek A Fong) writes: > >Interestingly enough, the CDROM 300i that came with my Quadra 800 has >only 8 disks: > >1. System Install >2. Kodak Photo CD sampler >3. Alice to Ocean >4. CDROM Titles >5. Application Demos >6. Mozart: Dissonant Quartet >7. Nautilus >8. Apple Chronicles > >Has anyone else noticed that they got less than everyone seems to be >getting with the external? What I really feel I missed out on is what >is supposed to a fantastic Games demo disk. > >I have heard that people have gotten up to 9-10 disks with their drive. >I assume they get the 8 titles above plus Cinderella and the Games Demo CDROM. > >any comments and experiences? Should I call Apple to complain? =) > >Derek > > >thewho@plume.mit.edu What I did NOT get with my drive (CD300i) is the System Install CD you listed as #1. Any ideas about how I can get one? I bought my IIvx 8/120 from Direct Express in Chicago (no complaints at all -- good price & good service). BTW, I've heard that the System Install CD can be used to boot the mac; however, my drive will NOT accept a CD caddy is the machine is off. How can you boot with it then? --Dave -- dlc@umcc.ais.org 313.485.3394 ";-1;0 "From: rudim@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Rudi Maelbrancke) Subject: EMM386.EXE and Windows and Dos6 Nntp-Posting-Host: piaget.cs.kuleuven.ac.be Organization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen Lines: 17 In Windows I created a permanent Swap-file of 7771Kb as win3.1 recommended me to do that (32bit access). If I use EMM386.EXE, after win3.1 startup I have 6689K of memory free, if I leave EMM386.EXE out of my config.sys I have 9935K of memory free, and windows recommends me a swap file of 11769K. I use DOS6, with memmaker, have 4MB of internal Memory and a 486DX, Does anybody knows why this is happening (possibly win needs some UMB's to manage virtual memory?, If true, which UMB's, those that EMM386 can find without including suspicious parts?) I need an optimized DOS-environment, because i develop applications for DOS using a windows programming environment. Rudi ";-1;0 "From: robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe) Subject: Senator Patty Murrey's tax proposal Organization: Boeing Lines: 19 If you haven't heard yet, US Senator Patty Murrey, a Mom in tennis shoes, is planning to introduce legislation to tax all handgun transactions and increase dealer licnese costs in order to raise money to cover the costs of un-insured shooting victums. She plans to start with $2500.00 per year dealer fees and $40.00 or so, depending on the type of firearm, per gun transaction. She plans to make it federal. She was elected in Washington state under the trade mark as just a mom in tennis shoes. She can be written to via the United States Senate, Washinton DC. She is looking for your tennis shoes. So if you have a pair please send them to her with your feelings regarding this tax. She claims she has heard little from the opposition. Lets inundate her! -- BIGOT! The definition of a bigot is a conservative winning an argument! ";-1;0 "From: yuri@atmos.washington.edu Subject: 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB needed Organization: University of Washington Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: windy.atmos.washington.edu misc.entrepreneurs,misc.wanted,pnw.forsale,uw.pc.ibm,seattle.forsale,uw. .forsale,misc.forsale, misc.forsale.computers.d,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.co omputers.other, Distribution: world From:yuri@atmos.washington.edu Reply-To: yuri@atmos.washington.edu Organization: Subject: 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB needed Keywords: I need 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB, but price should be around $17-20/piece. I am waiting for an offer. Yuri Yulaev 6553, 38th ave NE Seattle WA 98115 (206) 524-2806,524-9547 (home) (206) 685-3793 (work) (206) 524-7218 (FAX) INTERNET: yuri@atmos.washington.edu UUCP: uw-beaver!atmos.washington.edu!yuri ";-1;0 "From: johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 30 -s87271077-s.walker-man-50- (swalker@uts.EDU.AU) wrote: : : : I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that : this board would be most appropriate. : I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that : are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders : that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the : actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called : 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? : I hope someone can help :----------------------- During the nuclear fission reaction the uranium fuel can get hot enough to melt. When this happens the liquid uranium is pumped to the cooling tower where it is sprayed into the air. Contact with the cool outside air will condense the mist and it will fall back to the cooling tower floor. There it is collected by a cleaning crew using shop vacs and is then reformed into pellets for reactor use the next day. Cooling towers are a lot taller than they really need to be. Power companies are forced to make them that tall by some enviromental law that requires the raw uranium emisions to be held to under 1%. This law is now under attack by lawyers arguing that the 1% should be measured at the edge of the property rather than the edge of the cooling tower. Eliminating this law will save power companies thousands of dollars in concrete costs for new nukes. John Eaton !hp-vcd!johne ";-1;0 "From: genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) Subject: Re: Young Catchers Article-I.D.: blue.7975 Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering Lines: 115 mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: > >We know that very, very few players at this age make much of an impact >in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball. Yes. But this is *irrelevant*. You're talking about averages, when we have lots of information about THIS PLAYER IN PARTICULAR to base our decisions on. I might as well say ""We know that very, very few people are more than 7 feet tall, so chances are that Manute Bol is really only 6 foot 4."" >No. Maybe I need to improve my writing skills. Lopez, who is very >ordinary defensively, is not likely to hit so well at age 22 >(having not played at AAA level) that it is probably not a good idea >to rush him into the Braves lineup in 1993. Why isn't Lopez likely to hit that well? He hit that well last year (after adjusting his stats for park and league and such); he hit better (on an absolute scale) than Olson or Berryhill did. By a lot. As for rushing... If there really is a qualitative difference between the minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment (and I don't believe there is), then wouldn't you rather waste Lopez's 22-year old good season than his 23-year old very good season or his 24-year-old excellent season? The sooner you get him acclimated, the more of his prime you get to use. >>Lopez was hitting .588 over 17 AB when he was cut from spring >>training. What does he have to do to earn a chance? Maybe not a full >>time job, but at least a couple starts and a few AB for him to prove >>his worth? > >Gee. I don't know. 17 abs sounds pretty good to me! About as good >as your reasoning that the kid should play a back-up role rather >than start every day at AAA. Talk about *me* as a GM... The point was not that 17 AB is a significant sample, but rather that he hadn't done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager to question whether his minor league numbers were for real, or to send him down ""until he gets warmed up"". >OK. Most players are not ready for the bigs at age 22 Most players are *never* ready for the bigs. What does this have to do with Javy Lopez? >Most players >benefit, rather than being stagnant or hurt, by playing at AAA. See above. >Most catchers need to be solid defensively players to help their >clubs in the bigs. Those are the arguments against Lopez for the >Braves for this year. But I could apply the same reasoning to Frank Thomas or Barry Bonds. Most players aren't that good, so they probably won't be that good this year either. >Now. The Braves have two catchers who have demonstrated solid >abilities to call games, to work with the pitchers, to throw out >runners. And demonstrated inabilities to hit their way out of a soap bubble. >Not superstars mind you, but solid, experienced veterans. Not superstars, not stars, not even good players. Maybe average, if we're being charitable. >The Braves have a very solid lineup with two big bats in the >outfield, an excellent platoon at first, a solid MVP candidate >at third and one of the better hitting shortstops. Ummm. Justice is a very fine hitter. Pendleton might have another big year in his bat, but he might also spend the season in Hamstring Hell. Gant is a big question mark. The Bream/Hunter platoon is decent (not excellent) and has rotten OBP or SLG (depending on who's in). Blauser is a very valuable bat... for a shortstop. >The center >field platoon will probably hit .300. However good Lopez' >bat *might* be (given the above) it won't be so much better than >what they have to offset the differential in experience and >defensive ability. Wanna bet? The difference between Lopez's bat and Olson/Berryhill could be 20 or 30 runs over the course of the season. Given a choice between a player with experience and a player who can play, I'll take the latter every time. >The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, Just like Keith Mitchell did? >I am just so surprised I have to spell all of this out. My >goodness. Do you believe the other poster who thinks Lopez >is being held down because of his future earning potential? That was me, and you so far your only counter-proposal is that they really don't understand how good Lopez is, or overvalue experience, or some combination of the two. I think my interpretation was more flattering to the organization. >Are they idiots who have built this ballclub? [Well-argued but inflammatory reply deleted.] -- David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's) dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands ";-1;0 "From: bill_paxton@fourd.com Subject: Argic Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Can you aswer me one question? How did you get to be so retarded? ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: welchg@cs.unc.edu (Gregory Welch) Subject: Re: TechWorks -- What You Say? Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.cs.unc.edu Well, although this may be an uncommon occurrence (or not) I had a ""bad"" experience with TechWorks. This past summer I upgraded (increased) the memory in a powerbook and a ci. When I called to place the order for the PB RAM, I was told by the sales person that they would give me a $50 rebate if I would return the original RAM (which was also TechWorks RAM.) I followed the instructions for returning the old RAM, expecting to see a credit on my VISA within a few weeks. Well, months went by, and no credit. After many calls (almost none of which were ever returned - arghhh) I finally found someone who told me ""Why we never received your old chips."" I then explained I the procedure that I had followed to return them, to which the person replied ""You mean you sent them US Mail?"" (which I had, per the original sales person's instructions.) I was told that they their loss of US mail shipments is not uncommon (come on) and that I should have sent the stuff via FedEx, etc. I reasoned that I had done exactly what I had been told to, but they would not budge, the people I spoke with were absolutely no help. I sent letters, copies of the original receipts, attempted to trace the package through the US mail, made *many* more phone calls to TechWorks, all to no avail (I wouldn't give-up because I was so disgusted.) Sales/support people, supervisors, there was nothing I could do to pursuade them to ""make it right."" I finally (in total disgust) wrote a letter to my credit card company, asking them to investigate the problem. Three weeks later, the credit miraculously appeared on my statement. I have not (in recent memory) been so disgusted with the service that I received from a company. In all fairness, they had no way of knowing that was not trying to rip them off, but I went to *such* great lengths to prove to them that this really happened. Oh well, c'est la vie. I will never buy another product from them again. (There - had to get that off my chest!) ";-1;0 "From: cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) Subject: Re: Montreal Question....... Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr19.015442.15723@oz.plymouth.edu> k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) writes: > What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it > anywhere. Thanks!!!!1 > > K--> >-- >--- >Keith J. Mullins (o o) >P.S.C -----------oOO--(_)--OOo----------- INTERNET: >Plymouth, NH | ""It takes a big man to cry, but | k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu He's played 2nd and 3rd. I also heard he can play short too. Shawn ";-1;0 "From: forbes@sequent.com (Ellen E. Forbes) Subject: Novice Beekeeper Seeks Tools of Trade Summary: Looking for beekeeping garb Keywords: bzz ... bzz ... bzz ... ouch! Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Apr6.200009.15076 Distribution: usa Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: crg1.sequent.com If you'd like to find a home for that beekeeping equipment you'll never use again, here's a likely victim, uh, customer. To make a deal, call: Laura Forbes (503)275-4483 during regular business hours, or, respond to me through e-mail and I'll pass your message along. ";-1;0 "From: rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu Subject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record? Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx Lines: 8 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.249.27.175 I was in the great storm.....my Mazda MPV was damaged so bad they are going to replace the top, doors and hood. It is Black so they will repaint the entire vehicle...estimated cost around $7000 and repair time approx. 3 to 4 weeks. rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu ";-1;0 "From: loyd@seq.uncwil.edu (David Loyd) Subject: Sci Fi books for sale! Best Offer! Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington Lines: 52 I would like to sell the following sci-fi books at Best Offer. If you are interested, please email an offer and be sure to include shipping and handling. I prefer not to ship COD but if you purchase $25 or more, I will consider. Han Solo and the Lost Legacy Han Solo's Revenge Han Solo at Stars End Splinter in the Minds Eye The Empire Strikes Back Star Wars Star Trek: The Motion Picture Star Trek: Wrath of Kahn The Official Star Trek Trivia Book Star Trek Reader Vol I Star Trek Reader Vol II These are the book form of the Star Trek Reader Vol III Original TV Series Star Trek Reader Vol IV Dune Dune Messiah Children of Dune God Emperor of Dune Altered States Alien Close Encounters of the Third Kind DragonSlayer The Mists of Avalon The Compleat Book of Sowrds The Lost Swords 2001: A Space Odyssey 2010: Odyssey II 2061: Odyssey III Barlowes Complete Guide to ExtraTresstials Again, best offer and don't be shy. Thanks -- loyd@seq.uncwil.edu Amiga 2000 Tower 144 Megs HD Space VXL 40mhz '030 w/ 33 mhz FPU 8 megs 32 bit Ram Supra 2400ZI+ Modem Sony KV-1311CR Monitor Wangtek 60meg TB ";8;1 "From: mart@csri.toronto.edu (Mart Molle) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Distribution: mxmsd Lines: 26 bobml@mxmsd.msd.measurex.com (Bob LaGesse) writes: [Long silly discussion deleted...] > And while you're at it, why bother with removing >the drain plug when you could remove the dipstick instead and suck it out from >there with your mouth and then spit it out? This suggestion isn't as far-fetched as it sounds. Years ago in another time and place, I used to do oil changes in boats powered by automotive engines. In many cases, there was no way to get any sort of a tray under the oil pan because it was boxed in by the bottom of the hull and various floation chambers on each side. And if you *did* get something there, you'd spill all the oil out of it for sure trying to get it back out again. So we used a small pump powered by an electric drill to suck the oil out the dipstick hole. There was a long/thin hose on the inlet side designed to fit down the dipstick tube, and another, thicker/shorter hose on the outlet side that you put into any convenient container. I'm sure these gadgets are still available from marine hardware suppliers if you want one. Mart L. Molle Computer Systems Research Institute University of Toronto Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4 (416)978-4928 ";-1;0 "From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: ProLifer Or Terrorist Threat Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world Lines: 22 In <1993Apr5.204531.9006@jetsun.weitek.COM> nadja@weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes: >In article drieux@wetware.com writes: >>In article 1pamhpINN7d3@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu, taite@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu () writes: >>>I'm prepared to instruct individuals in the proper use and >>>handling of firearms. >>>As a Desert Storm vet with six years in the National Guard, I have a >>>great deal of experience in handling weapons and tactical training. >>ps: anyone up for a discussion of counter sniper operations? >>Security drills, Your Friend the Counter Terrorist Operation..... >If twit promises to train them in tactics and weapons handlings, I doubt >any of them will last long enough to become terrorists. Look for a sudden >rise in firearms accidents among the Fiends of the Fetus, though. Bless you, Nadja, we needed a name for these Attack Puppies. Friends of the Fetus, or FOOF for short. :-) ";-1;0 "From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 71 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr15.173851.25846@convex.com>, tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes... #In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi"") writes: #>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. #>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to #>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five #>cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly #>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck #>in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she #>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and #>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live. #> #>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I #>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but #>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low?? Yes. Nobody is watching them. If they get caught, there is no punishment at all. In the old days such behaviour would be rewarded with a whipping with a good-sized belt, and then taken into some hospital to see first hand what kind of damage such accidents cause. Of course this doesn't happen any more. That whipping would probably save the kid's life by teaching him some respect for others. A person with that little respect would inevitably wind up dead early anyway. The problem is creeping gradualism. If you put a frog into hot water, he just jumps out. But if you put him into cold water and then ever-so- gradually heat it, the frog will cook. This is what the entertainment industry and lack of religious, moral, and educational standards in our modern North American society have done to us over the years. Now that we are about to be 'cooked', we may have woken up too late. #> #>Erik velapold # #Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason #is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is #""No Big Deal"". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort #children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised #when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the #message they hear is ""Life is Cheap""! And the education system and the Religious Leaders aren't doing much about it, either. With both parents working in this society, where is the stabilizing influence at home? Latchkey children are everywhere! And these latchkey kids can watch whatever rotten videos and listen to whatever violent hate-promoting ""music"" and videos they like because no one is home to stop it. This day and age, when there is about 100 times more things to learn than when I went to school, our answer to this increased knowledge is shorter school hours and more leisure time! I say keep the kids in school longer, feed them good food and teach them something, and when they get home, have a parent there to interact and monitor them. There is a very old and now forgotten proverb: a child left on his own will bring a parent to grief. Daycare systems are not the answer. This is just shifting the parents' own responsibilities off on someone else to whom it's not a life-long committment, but rather just a job. # #AT Followups should go to alt.parents-teens Fred W. Bach , Operations Group | Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility) | Voice: 604-222-1047 loc 327/278 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS | FAX: 604-222-1074 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA V6T 2A3 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question. They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers. ";-1;0 "From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) Subject: Re: Waco Shootout Highlights Total Irresponsibility of the Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg Organization: TECHNET, Singapore Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr5.213034.10706@gtephx.UUCP> forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes: >In article <1pdmgaINN95f@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu>, strat@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis) writes: >> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >> >> >> If she *needs* a gun right now, why doesn't she already have one? >> >> >You are the victim of a cut-and-run purse-snatcher. He makes off >> >with your purse, containing your ID, your house keys... and your gun. >> >> So you're saying she can RUN RIGHT INTO A STORE, BUY A GUN, RUN BACK >> OUTSIDE AND SHOOT THE GUY IN THE BACK AS HE RUNS OFF? This doesn't > >No, he's saying she just lost her gun and she wants to buy another >so that as she sits home alone tonight, she's not a sitting duck to >any bastard who wants to break in. In fact, the situation is more grim that that, even. The purse snatcher now has her home address. If the woman lives alone, she is in great personal danger. ";-1;0 "From: xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) Subject: Science News article on Federal R&D Organization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland Lines: 8 Just a pointer to the article in the current Science News article on Federal R&D funding. Very briefly, all R&D is being shifted to gaining current competitive advantage from things like military and other work that does not have as much commercial utility. -- Chuck Divine ";-1;0 "From: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com Subject: Amniocentesis, et. al. Organization: Suite Software Lines: 7 Reply-To: suite!tarbell@uunet.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gilgamesh.suite.com Is there some difference between the purposes behind amniocentesis and chorionic villi sampling? They sound similar to me, but are intended to detect different things? Thanks.  ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses (good grief!) From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 14 In article <66018@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >The amount of energy being spent on ONE LOUSY SYLLOGISM says volumes for the >true position of reason in this group. I agree, we spend too much energy on the nonexistance of God. -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) ";-1;0 "From: luomat@alleg.edu (Timothy J. Luoma) Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Reply-To: luomat@alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 53 In article emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes: [much of the excellent post deleted for space -- TjL] )->With all the suffering and persecution that it meant to be a believer, it )->would be quite probable that at least one of those in the supposed conspiracy )->would come forward and confess that the whole thing was a big hoax. Yet )->not one did. It seems rather reasonable that the disciples did not make )->up the resurrection but sincerely believed that Jesus had actually risen )->from the dead; especially in light of the sufferings that came upon those )->who believed. I was at the ""Jubilee"" conference this year in Pittsburgh PA, and the speaker there spoke of this as well. He talked about many of the same things you mentioned in your post, but here he went into a little more detail. I'll paraphrase as best I can: ""Suppose you were part of the `Christian consipracy' which was going to tell people that Christ had risen. Never mind the stoning, the being burned alive, the possible crucifixion ... let's just talk about a scourging. The whip that would be used would have broken pottery, metal, bone, and anything else that they could find attached to it. You would be stood facing a wall, with nothing to protect you. ""When the whip hit you the first time, it would tear the flesh off you with instant incredibly intense pain. You would think to yourself `All this for a lie?' The second hit would drop you to your knees, you would scream out in agony that your raw back was being torn at again. You would say to yourself: `All this for a lie?' And you had 37 more coming. ""At the third hit you would scream out that it was all a lie, beg for them to stop, and tell them that you would swear on your life that it had all been a lie, if they would only stop...."" It is amazing enough that those who believed kept their faith under such torture.... but for a lie? There is no one fool enough to do that.... And no one came forward. Excellent post John, thanks for taking the time. -- Tj Luoma ""God be merciful to ""I have fought a good fight, me a sinner.""--St Luke I have finished my course, ""For me to live is Christ, and I have kept the faith."" 2 TIM to die is gain"" -- PHILIPPIANS 1:21 ";-1;0 "From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Lines: 56 In article <1r466c$an3@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: >Agreed. Remember, I don't even think of Clipper as encryption in any real >sense--if I did, I'd probably be a lot more annoyed about it. I agree with this assessment. Furthermore, its promotion as providing greater protection than bare voice is quite true, as far as it goes. However, the only way for it to fulfill its stated goal of letting LE wiretap ""terrorists and drug dealers"" is to restrict stronger techniques. Wiretap targets presently use strong encryption, weak encryption, or (the vast majority) no encryption. The latter two classes can be tapped. With weak encryption in every phone, the no-encryption class is merged into the weak-encryption class. Will the introduction of Clipper cause targets presently enjoying strong privacy to give up on it? that is, to rely for privacy on a system expressly designed to deny it to people like them? I doubt it. The mere introduction of this scheme will give the government *nothing*. The stated goal of preventing the degradation of wiretapping capabilities can be fulfilled by restriction of domestic cryptography, and only by this restriction. ""Clipper"" appears to be no more than a sop, given to the public to mute any complaints. We would find this a grossly inadequate tradeoff, but I fear the public at large will not care. I hate to even mention gun control, but most people seem to think that an `assault weapon' (as the NYT uses the word) is some sort of automatic weapon, .50 caliber maybe. Who wants to have such a thing legal? Well, people know even less about cryptology; I suspect that strong cryptography could easily be labeled ""too much secrecy for law-abiding citizens to need"". >That's not for Clinton (or anyone under him) to say, though. Only the >federal and supreme courts can say anything about the constitutionality. >Anything the administration or any governmental agency says is opinion at >best. What they say is opinion, but what they do is what matters, and will continue unless overturned. And the courts are reluctant to annul law or regulation, going to some length to decide cases on other grounds. Furthermore, Congress can get away with quite a bit. They could levy a burdensome tax; this would place enforcement in the hands of the BATF, who as we've seen you really don't want on your case. They could invoke the Commerce Clause; this seems most likely. This clause will get you anywhere these days. The 18th was required because the Supreme Court ruled a prohibitory statute unconstitutional. In 1970 Congress prohibited many drugs, with a textual nod to the Commerce Clause. The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 still stands. I think the government could get away with it. >Amanda Walker PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu ";16;1 "From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno ) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 40 >If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong, >then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means. Unfortunatly, this seems to be how Christians are taught to think when it comes to their religion. Some take it to the extreme and say that their religion is the ONLY one and if you don't accept their teachings then you won't be ""saved"". It takes quite a bit of arrogance to claim to know what God thinks/wants. Especially when it's based upon your interpretation of a book. The logic in the above statement is faulty in that it assumes two people with differing beliefs can't both be correct. It's all about perception. No two people are exactly alike. No two people perceive everything in the same way. I believe that there is one truth. Call it God's truth, a universal truth, or call it what you will. I don't believe God presents this truth. I think it is just there and it's up to you to look for and see it, through prayer, meditation, inspir- ation, dreams or whatever. Just because people may perceive this truth differently, it doesn't mean one is wrong and the other is right. As an example, take the question, ""Is the glass half empty or half full""? You can have two different answers which are contradictory and yet both are correct. So, for your belief to be true, does not require everyone else's belief to be wrong. [If a person has what they believe is convincing evidence that God will save only Christians, it's hard to see how you can criticize them for arrogance for saying so. It could be that they're wrong. But I hardly see that it's arrogance. Let's look at this a bit closer. Suppose we had some combination of prophets and messiahs that taught us things, but didn't say anything about exclusivity. If we believe them, and then add ""and anybody who believes anything else is damned"", then you could well criticize us for arrogance. But in this case the exclusivity is in the message as it comes from the prophets, etc. So we could be wrong in believing it, but I don't see how we can be called arrogant. Maybe the world isn't a soft place. Maybe certain choices actually do have eternal consequences. I can see calling the Christian message arrogant, in a certain sense (though only in the same sense as calling the law of gravitation arrogant because it doesn't give us any option over whether we fall if we jump off a building). But not Christians for passing it on, given that they believe it. The complaints I can see making are (1) that Christians are wrong, or (2) that God is arrogant. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: ""Cruel"" (was Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >>>This whole thread started because of a discussion about whether >>>or not the death penalty constituted cruel punishment, which is forbidden >>>by the US Constitution. >>Yes, but they didn't say what they meant by ""cruel"", which is why >>a) you have the Supreme Court, and b) it makes no sense to refer >>to the Constitution, which is quite silent on the meaning of the >>word ""cruel"". > >They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. They >picked words whose meanings implied the intent. We have already looked >in the dictionary to define the word. Isn't this sufficient? We only need to ask the question: what did the founding fathers consider cruel and unusual punishment? Hanging? Hanging there slowing being strangled would be very painful, both physically and psychologicall, I imagine. Firing squad ? [ note: not a clean way to die back in those days ], etc. All would be considered cruel under your definition. All were allowed under the constitution by the founding fathers. --- "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "" John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word. ";-1;0 "From: dingbat@diku.dk (Niels Skov Olsen) Subject: Re: Rockwell Chipset for 14.4's ... Any good? Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Lines: 33 tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes: >In article im14u2c@camelot.bradley.edu (Joe Zbiciak) writes: >>What's the word on the chipset? Is this a ROM bug specific >>to a specific brand using the Rockwell, or is it the Rockwell >>chipset itself? >There were an assortment of firmware problems, but that is pretty much >expected with any FAX/modem talking with a different FAX or modem >which may have also been revised or is new. I'm pretty much >oblivious to any current firmware problems, so you'll have to get it >from someone else. Someone Else, could you please comment on that. I have just bought a Twincom 14.4DFi, which has a Rockwell chipset. It wasn't cheap so I would like to hear of problems I'm likely to run into. >However, I can tell you to stay clear of any board which uses the >Rockwell MPU (as opposed to the DPU) for an internal implementation. >This is because the MPU used ""speed buffering"" instead of having a >16550 interface. Without the 550 interface, the number of interrupts >are still the same and thus may get dropped under multitasking >conditions (like in windows). As far as I know, the ""speed buffering"" >works OK for external modems if a 550 is used on the internal serial >port board. Phew, I was lucky! The Twincom internal version has a 550A and one of the Rockwell chips is marked RC144DP. But still I would like to hear more of the above mentioned firmware problems. Niels ";-1;0 "From: rogntorb@idt.unit.no (Torbj|rn Rognes) Subject: Adding int. hard disk drive to IIcx Keywords: Mac IIcx, internal, hard disk drive, SCSI Reply-To: rogntorb@idt.unit.no (Torbj|rn Rognes) Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology Lines: 32 I haven't seen much info about how to add an extra internal disk to a mac. We would like to try it, and I wonder if someone had some good advice. We have a Mac IIcx with the original internal Quantum 40MB hard disk, and an unusable floppy drive. We also have a new spare Connor 40MB disk which we would like to use. The idea is to replace the broken floppy drive with the new hard disk, but there seems to be some problems: The internal SCSI cable and power cable inside the cx has only connectors for one single hard disk drive. If I made a ribbon cable and a power cable with three connectors each (1 for motherboard, 1 for each of the 2 disks), would it work? Is the IIcx able to supply the extra power to the extra disk? What about terminators? I suppose that i should remove the resistor packs from the disk that is closest to the motherboard, but leave them installed in the other disk. The SCSI ID jumpers should also be changed so that the new disk gets ID #1. The old one should have ID #0. It is no problem for us to remove the floppy drive, as we have an external floppy that we can use if it won't boot of the hard disk. Thank you! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Torbj|rn Rognes Email: rogntorb@idt.unit.no ";-1;0 " wupost!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgi!fido!solntze.wpd.sgi.com!livesey Subject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) <93089.050046MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> <1pa6ntINNs5d@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Mar30.210423.1302@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <1pcnqjINNpon@gap.caltech.edu> <1pi9btINNqa5@gap.calte Organization: sgi NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com Lines: 20 In article <1pi9btINNqa5@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: |> |> >>Then why do people keep asking the same questions over and over? |> >Because you rarely ever answer them. |> |> Nope, I've answered each question posed, and most were answered multiple |> times. He: Fifty dollars if I can't answer your question. She: What is the Big Bang theory. He: The Big Bang theory is a recipe for cookies. She: Fifty dollars, please. He: Hey, I didn't say the answers would make sense. jon. ";-1;0 "From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) Subject: What determines the default X font? Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Lines: 10 I'm running X under openwindows 3. Normal X programs not having a font specified always show up in the same font - until I change the fontpath, and restart windows - then a new default font is used until the next change. I can't seem to figure out how it chooses. Is there some way to set this? Possibly something in .Xdefaults??? Please reply in direct email - I summarize. -- Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science, Lunds universitet. Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se ";-1;0 "From: sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) Subject: Long distance IR detection Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Nntp-Posting-Host: stan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Defence Research Establishment Suffield X-Newssoftware: GRn-beta 1.16g (04.01.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz Mime-Version: 1.0 Lines: 19 -- I would like to be able to detect the angular position (low accuracy) of an IR emitting source at a distance of about 100 meters (more is better) in daylight. The IR source could be emitting a signature; I'm leaning toward 30 KHz square wave with 50% duty cycle. I am considering the use of a quadrant detector from Centronic Inc. to give information to a pan/tilt head to point the sensor and thus determine the angles. For the source I am considering wazing the heck out of an IR LED(s), possibly an Optek OP290 or Motorola MLED81. Wazing would mean at least 1 Amp current pulses. At this current the duty cycle of the LED drops to 10% and I would need to cycle five of them in turn to get the 50% required. Has anyone done something like this? Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG) sburton@dres.dnd.ca (403) 544-4737 DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6 ";-1;0 "From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Lines: 45 In article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes: > > In a previous article, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) says: > >>In article <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: >>>I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in >>>reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering >>>reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is >>>interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. >> >>Since one is also unlikely to get ""the truth"" from either Arab or >>Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to ""understand"", to learn? >>Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another? > > There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report > on the situation in the O.T. But, as most people used to see on TV, the > Israelis do not allow them to go deep there in the O.T. The Israelis > used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters. Anas, of course ! The YAHUD needed blood for the matza. After all, Passover *was* last month :-) Why don't you give us your National Geographic travelogue of your recent trip to ""Palestine"" ? Or are you too disappointed by what you saw ? :-) Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL > So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine. > They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in Palestine. > >>to determine that is to try and get beyond the writer's ""political >>agenda"", whether it is ""on"" or ""against"" our *side*. >> >>Tim > > Anas Omran > ";-1;0 "From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) Subject: Re: Tektronix Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Lines: 14 In article <930424212154.1000227@tgv.com> mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) writes: ># I remember seeing something in the X distribution mentioning support ># for a Tektronix terminal in an X server. Is this accurate? >Xterm supports 401x emulation. What I was talking about was using an Tek terminal as your X display. I should be possible to write an X server that does this as far as I can tell, but what I'm asking is if there is already one. -- mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu ""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown ";-1;0 "From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Department of Mathematics Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu In article <1r1otuINNdb2@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: > The 'plaintext' is digitized voice, and exists for a very short >time, probably in a couple inches of copper, tops. It's flatly not >available -- your bug in my office can hear my voice, and even digitize >it, but it's going to get a different bitstream. I am an idiot. The plaintext that's relevant is the session key. If you know that, you probably don't need a roomful of chips, do you? If you were going to brute force something interesting, that'd be the message stream, which is sort of approximately known by, say, a bug in my office. Then your roomful of chips could get the session key. Which I change every morning. Really, it's just a whole lot easier for the illicit wiretappers to stick a bug in your phone. Andrew Molitor ";16;1 "From: aidler@sol.uvic.ca (E Alan Idler) Subject: Re: Mormon Temples Organization: University of Victoria Lines: 80 mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes: >saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve A. Ward) writes: >>dan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >[Dan's question about Mormon Temple rituals deleted for brevity] >> >>Just thought I would interject this, and I believe you Dan when you say >>that you don't mean to offend: For us LDS temple goers, the temple >>ceremonies are very sacred. So much so that anyone who goes there >>promises never to divulge them. So how much can you trust someone >>who is telling you about the cerermony? >One thing I don't understand is why being sacred should make the >temple rituals secret. There are lots of sacred things in >Christianity, including the Sacred Scriptures themselves, but there is >nothing secret about these things. Is it appropriate for the Lord not to reveal certain things before the world (i.e., publish them widely)? These things sacred to Himself. He may place any pre- or post-conditions He feels are necessary. Moreover, there are precedents in scripture where knowledge of sacred things is withheld: 1. After the Transfiguration Jesus instructed Peter, James, and John to ""tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead"" (Matt. 17:9). If we were living at the time of Savior, there would be no (public) record of this event. 2. A faithful friend of Paul experiences a vision of ""paradise"" when he ""heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter"" (2 Cor. 12:4). This person heard something which Paul can not write to the Corinthians (and us). 3. There is an incident recorded in the Book of Mormon where words uttered by ""babes"" were ""forbidden that there should not any man write them (3 Nephi 26:16, the entire text follows for those of you without access to the BOM). 3 Nephi 26:16 Behold, it came to pass on the morrow that the multitude gathered themselves together, and they both saw and heard these children; yea, even babes did open their mouths and utter marvelous things; and the things which they did utter were forbidden that there should not any man write them. Some LDS scholars speculate that these words which could not be written are the sacred portions from temple we are to withhold from the world (but it could be something else). >I >can understand why Mormons would limit temple access to only faithful >Mormons, but I have never understood the emphasis on shrouding temple >ritual in mystery. There is much we can discuss about the temple ordinances. We can discuss regarding baptisms and other vicarious ordinances for the dead. We can discuss certain concepts regarding the endowment (""the ritual""). However, there are certain elements I can not discuss with anyone (including other saints) outside of the temple. As a portion of the endowment, we receive the tokens and signs that will permit us access to Heaven. I must keep this knowledge sacred and respect the conditions under which it is revealed to me. A IDLER ";17;1 "From: Wayne Alan Martin Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 7 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1pqk9b$ib4@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> Sounds like a job for a universal time reciever. I don't know the logisitics of the situation, but if you could just place a reciever in snow and place the oscillator in a nice lab somewhere else, your problems should be solved. Just a suggestion. Wayne Martin ";-1;0 "From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: LICENSE PLATES NISSAN Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 12 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, edf003@marshall.wvnet.edu () says: >Hi, I'm interested in getting the list for license plate numbers. If anyone >has a listing I'd appreciate getting a copy of it. Thanks! > You must be _incredibly_ bored. Have you considered reading the phone book? -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ ";-1;0 "From: easwarakv@woods.ulowell.edu Subject: CD'S FOR SALE Lines: 22 Organization: University of Lowell Th following cd's are for sale. Each cd cost 10$ except otherwise indicated which includes shipping and handling. Achtung baby U2 * Joshua tree U2 ** The immaculate collection Madonna ** $12 Love hurts Cher * Garth brooks Garth brooks * Red hot ..chilli peppers.. ** OOOOOHHHHH TLC ** Light and shadows wilson ** * Used only once. ** never used, most of them are still in shrink wraps Please email to kGC @ woods.ulowell.edu ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: While Armenians destroyed all the villages from Trabzon to Erzurum... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 55 In article <1993Apr4.231353.34562@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF) writes: >this posting as a serious and meaningful one, I want to assure this >entity that it was but a joke> Still yelling at the telephone and the lawn mower? People will think you're just some looney howling in the wires. Now any comment? Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). ""Document No: 76,"" Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53. (To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section, Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie) 'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin, 'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul. ""I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun. They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and Alexander Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)...Russian officers tried to save the Turks and there were clashes between Russian officers and Armenian gangs. I am now in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. Almost the whole city is destroyed. The smell of the corpses still fills the air. Although there are speculations that Armenian gangs murdered Austrian and German prisoners as well, I could not get the supporting evidence in this regard, but there is proof of murdering of Turkish prisoners of war."" Dr. Stephan Eshnanie Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) Subject: Rockies need some relief Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 13 Once again, the Rockies bullpen fell apart. Andy Ashby pitched six (somewhat shaky) innings giving up just one run. Then game the dreaded relief. Three picthers combined to give up 3 runs (one each I believe) in the 7th inning and blew the save opportunity. (Final was 4-2 vs Expos). Despite their problems in the pen, I think the Rockies are a team that wont be taken lightly. Going into today's game, the had the league's leading hitter and RBI man (Galarraga), two of the leaders in stolen bases (Young and Cole) and increasingly strong starting pitching. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Russian Email Contacts. Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 10 I am coordinating the Space Shuttle Program Office's e-mail traffic to NPO Energia for our on-going Joint Missions. I have several e-mail addresses for NPO Energia folks, but I won't post them on the 'Net for obvious reasons. If you need to know, give me a yell. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 ""The earth is the cradle of humanity, but mankind will not stay in the cradle forever."" -- Konstantin Tsiolkvosky ";-1;0 "From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) Subject: TV Schedule for Next Week Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: lamar.acns.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 20 United States TV Schedule: April 18 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 1 EST ABC (to Eastern time zone) April 18 St. Louis at Chicago 12 CDT ABC (to Cent/Mou time zones) April 18 Los Angeles at Calgary 12 PDT ABC (to Pacific time zone) April 20 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 7:30 ESPN April 22 TBA 7:30 ESPN April 24 TBA 7:30 ESPN If somebody would send me the CBC/TSN schedule I'll post that as well. ******************************************************************************* * Mike Burger * My Canada includes, Quebec, Ontario, * * mmb@lamar.colostate.edu * the Maritimes, the Prairies, and Florida * * A Beginning Computing TA Stud * four months a year. * * over 500 students served * --Royal Canadian Air Farce * ******************************************************************************* * University of Michigan - 1990 -- Colorado State University - 199? * ******************************************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) Subject: Re: CView answers Keywords: Stupid Programming Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network Lines: 18 In <1qlobb$p5a@tuegate.tue.nl> renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: [Most info regarding dangers of reading from Floppy disks omitted] >unrevcoverable way. SO BE CAREFUL! It is incredibly poor programming for a >program to do this. On the other hand, when choosing files in the Open Files >menu, CView insists on doing a few disk reads every time one moves the >hi-lighter square. Incredibly annoying when it could do them all at once >when it gets the directory info. And really, how much effort does it take to >sort a directory listing? In all fairness, how many people do you know personally who read images from Floppy drives? I haven't tried it with JPEGs, but I do realize how agonizingly slow it is with GIF files. Nevertheless, it is an important bug that needs to be squashed. I am merely pointing out that it was probably overlooked. While it is serious, one must keep in mind that it will probably affect at most 5% of the targeted users of CView. ";-1;0 "From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: Toyota wagons Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr5.213032.26844@pmafire.inel.gov> russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes: >In article <1pq6bl$9rj@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: >>Has anybody noticed that Toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible >>ugly station wagons? Tercels, Corollas, Camrys. Have their designers no >>aesthetic sense at all? >>-- >The new Camry Wagon may just be even uglier than my Tercel. :-) toyota has cornered the market on ugly station wagons. after seeing the new camry sedan, i had thought toyota would finally turn out something nice-looking. the new camry station wagon bears a strong resemblance to a hearse, and a weird looking one at that. -teddy ";10;1 "From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu | article <1qjc0fINN841@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes: || Now, if instead of using the MSG as a food additive, you put the MSG || in gelatin capsules or whatever, there may not || be a reaction, becasue the _sensory_response_ might be || a necessary element in the creation of the MSG reaction. (I'll bet || the bogus medical researchers never even thought about || that obvious fact.) | Gee. He means ""placebo effect."" Sorry, but the researchers DO know about | this. Carl, it is not ""placebo effect"" if as hypothesised the sensory response to MSG's effect on flavor is responsible for the MSG reaction. Steve ";-1;0 "From: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) Subject: Re: Jack Morris Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: >In article <1993Apr18.032345.5178@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >>In article <1993Apr18.030412.1210@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) writes: >>>Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) writes: >>> >>>>Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had? >>> >>>Uh, Jack lost his edge about 5 years ago, and has had only one above >>>average year in the last 5. >> >>Again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky. You can >>count on good tomorrow. Lucky seems to be prone to bad starts (and a >>bad finish last year :-). >> >>(Yes, I am enjoying every last run he gives up. Who was it who said >>Morris was a better signing than Viola?) >> >>Cheers, >>-Valentine > >Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their >fingers. Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his >future. Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best >signing. And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't >even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th. > >Shawn > Gee, I never knew Valentine made a comment about how Viola signing with Boston was gonna bring a World Series title to Boston. I don't think Valentine ever said Boston will win this year. Boy, talk about sensitive, insecure Toronto fans. :) In any case, I think Viola would have made a better signing. Why? Viola is younger, and is left handed (how many left handed starters does Toronto have? -Mike /mike@columbia.edu ";-1;0 "From: aris@psssun (Aris Gerakis) Subject: Pixel disappear on Powerbook 140 screen Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: psssun.pss.msu.edu Keywords: Powerbook, 140, pixel, screen Some pixels on my PB 140 display disappear intermittently. They are not in a particular place but random. If anybody has suggestions I would appreciate e-mailings. Thanks. -- aris@psssun.pss.msu.edu ############# (beware of the 3 s) | /\ /\ | [| o o |] ______________________nnnnn______|_____U_____|______nnnnn______________________ ";-1;0 "From: alee@ecs.umass.edu Subject: Need to find out number to a phone line Lines: 13 Greetings! Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't know the number of the line. And I don't want to call up the operator to place a trace on it. Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can use to find out the number to the line? Thanks for any response. Al ";-1;0 "From: dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu (Jemaleddin Cole) Subject: Re: Catholic Lit-Crit of a.s.s. Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu Organization: The Society for the Preservation of Cruelty to Homophobes. Lines: 37 In <1993Apr14.101241.476@mtechca.maintech.com> foster@mtechca.maintech.com writes: >I am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior >from the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We're- >The-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought >that Catholics behaved better than this. > Please do not stoop to the >level of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think >that the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud, >insulting and overbearingly self-righteous. (Pleading mode on) Please! I'm begging you! Quit confusing religious groups, and stop making generalizations! I'm a Protestant! I'm an evangelical! I don't believe that my way is the only way! I'm not a ""creation scientist""! I don't think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails! If you want to discuss bible thumpers, you would be better off singling out (and making obtuse generalizations about) Fundamentalists. If you compared the actions of Presbyterians or Methodists with those of Southern Baptists, you would think that they were different religions! Please, prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the same, so please don't write off all Protestants or all evangelicals! (Pleading mode off.) God.......I wish I could get ahold of all the Thomas Stories...... -- ""Fbzr enval jvagre Fhaqnlf jura gurer'f n yvggyr oberqbz, lbh fubhyq nyjnlf pneel n tha. Abg gb fubbg lbhefrys, ohg gb xabj rknpgyl gung lbh'er nyjnlf znxvat n pubvpr."" --Yvan Jregzhyyre =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jemaleddin Sasha David Cole IV - Chief of Knobbery Research dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu ";19;1 "From: chatterj@haji.lcs.mit.EDU (Shash Chatterjee) Subject: Help: SunView on olwm/xview3/X11R5 Article-I.D.: haji.9304051753.AA05339 Organization: The Internet Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert%expo.lcs.mit.edu@fin.lcs.mit.edu Hi, I just compiled the X11R5 distribution for a Sun3/SunOS4.1.1. I also compiled the public domain xview3 (with olwm) distribution. I have some old 3rd-party application binaries that are SunView programs. How do I get them to work under xview3 and olwm? (I tried using the OpenWindows version 2 ""svenv"" program, but it did not work.) I do not have news access....that's why I am mailing this directly. Also, is there an email alias where my questions can get to comp.windows.x or comp.windows.open-look? PLEASE RESPOND TO fwr8bv@fin.af.mil Thanks, Shash +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Shash Chatterjee EMAIL: fwr8bv@fin.af.mil + + EC Software PHONE: (817) 763-1495 + + Lockheed Fort Worth Company FAX: (817) 777-2115 + + P.O. Box 748, MZ1719 + + Ft. Worth, TX 76101 + +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: takaharu@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Taka Mizutani) Subject: Re: DX3/99 Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: microlab11.med.upenn.edu In article , iisakkil@lk-hp-22.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila) wrote: :Because of some contract, IBM is not allowed to sell its :486 chips to third parties, so these chips are unlikely to become :available in any non-IBM machines. I saw in this months PC or PC World an ad for computers using IBM's 486SLC. So I don't think IBM is restricted in selling their chips, at least not anymore. A clock-tripled 486, even without coprocessor would be great, especially with 16k on-board cache. Make it 386 pin-compatible, and you have the chip upgrade that dreams are made of :-) Taka Mizutani takaharu@mail.sas.upenn.edu ";-1;0 "From: rjs002c@parsec.paradyne.com (Robert Synoski) Subject: 24 bit Graphics cards Nntp-Posting-Host: parsec Reply-To: rjs002c@parsec.paradyne.com Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo Florida Lines: 10 I am looking for EISA or VESA local bus graphic cards that support at least 1024x786x24 resolution. I know Matrox has one, but it is very expensive. All the other cards I know of, that support that resoultion, are striaght ISA. Also are there any X servers for a unix PC that support 24 bits? thanks ";1;1 "From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Lines: 20 Distribution: world Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen) NNTP-Posting-Host: imp.sim.es.com I downloaded an image of the earth re-constructed from elevation data taken at 1/2 degree increments. The author (not me) wrote some c-code (included) that read in the data file and generated b&w and pseudo color images. They work very well and are not incumbered by copyright. They are at an aminet site near you called earth.lha in the amiga/pix/misc area... I refer you to the included docs for the details on how the author (sorry, I forget his name) created these images. The raw data is not included. -- David David M. Ingebretsen Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. dingebre@thunder.sim.es.com Disclaimer: The content of this message in no way reflects the opinions of my employer, nor are my actions encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my employer. ";-1;0 "From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell) Subject: Hey FLYERS Fans! Article-I.D.: usenet.1pqvti$74p Reply-To: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu Did you ever notice how many people on the net have trouble in the comparitively easy task of spelling the nick name of our fair city? I never knew that Philadelphia becomes Phillie or Philli when spoken of. So for all you who don't know yet here's a _little_ clue. IT IS SPELLED: P H I L L Y OK...thank you. Oh yeah, about that drug-induced trade rumor....I don't think the Sniders are that stupid...the rumor you should be looking into is Mike Keenan coming back to coach the FLYERS. later Mike -- Mike Cornell | ""There are a great many people in the country today who, mac18@po.cwru.edu| through no fault of their own, are sane."" -Monty Python ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's Go Flyers! Stanley Cup in '94! ""OH! My brain hurts!""- Mr D. P. Gumby ";-1;0 "From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 38 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: > >But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much >worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" >to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) > Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. Surely the hypothesis relying on the least wild assumptions is to take this at face value. Our lads at the fort were asked to cook up something that's pretty secure, with a key that can be escrowed neatly, and they did. The government plans to sell this thing, for the reasons they state. Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, and you're gonna hate it. Fact is, the FBI doesn't want to listen to your phone calls, and if they do, and if you're using triple-DES, they'll just get a parabolic microphone and point it at your head. This is pretty clearly an effort by the government to do exactly what they're saying they're doing. As is typical with governments, it's mismanaged, and full of holes and compromises. As is typical with our government, it's not too bad, could be worse. My interpretation. Andrew >-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Isn't this just a little melodramatic? ";-1;0 "From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King) Subject: How to interview a doctor Nntp-Posting-Host: drums.reasoning.com Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA Lines: 11 My insurance company encourages annual physicals, and at my age [42] i'm thinking that BIannual physicals, at least, might be a good idea. Therefore, i'm shopping for a GP. Might as well get a good one. Could the Assembled Net Wisdom suggest things i should look for, or point me to the FAQ archive if on this topic if there is one? Please EMail; i suspect that this topic is real Net Clutter bait. -dk ";4;1 "From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) Subject: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world <1993Apr14.130150.28931@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> Lines: 68 93!04.16 e.v. After the Glorious Eve of Taxation Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. The word of Sin is Restriction. ""To all whom it may concern - ... ""It is known only to a few that there exists an external visible organization of such men and women, who having themselves found the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience, and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be guided. ""While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc. have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of the civilised world, all following some line of occult study, yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics which shows the seeker after truth a Royal Road to discover The Lost Mysteries of Antiquity, and to the Unveiling of the One Hermetic Truth. ""This organization is known at the present time as the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars. Ordo Templi Orientis. Otherwise: The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light. ""It is a Modern School of Magic. And, like the ancient schools of magic, it derived its knowledge from the East. This Knowledge was never its possessors.[sic] It was recorded in symbol, parable and allegory, requiring a Key for its interpretation.... ""This key can be placed within the reach of all those who... apply for membership to the Oriental Templars (O.T.O.). ""The O.T.O.... is a body of Initiates in whose hands are concentrated the secret knowledge of all Oriental Orders and of all existing Masonic Degrees.... ""The O.T.O., although an Academia Masonica, is not a Masonic Body, so far as the Craft degrees are concerned in the sense in which that expression is usually understood in England, and therefore in no way conflicts with or infringes the just priveleges of the United Lodge of England. English Master Masons in good standing, by arrangement, on affiliation, are admitted at reduced charges. Members of the IX degree become part-proprietors of the Estates and Goods of the Order. For further information see the publications of the O.T.O., and the synopsis of the degrees of the O.T.O."" 'Constitution of the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars, Ordo Templi Orientis', by Frater Superior Merlin Peregrinus X Degree, Past Grand Master Albert Karl Theodor Reuss Taken from _Equinox III: 10_, Edited by Frater Superior Rex Summus Sanctissimus, United States Caliph of Ordo Templi Orientis Invoke me under my stars. Love is the law, love under will. I am I! Frater (I) Nigris (DCLXVI) (CCCXXXIII) ";-1;0 "From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future. Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 22 In <1r6ub0$mgl@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >In article <1993Apr22.164801.7530@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: >> Hmmm. I seem to recall that the attraction of solid state record- >>players and radios in the 1960s wasn't better performance but lower >>per-unit cost than vacuum-tube systems. >> >I don't think so at first, but solid state offered better reliabity, >id bet, and any lower costs would be only after the processes really scaled up. Careful. Making statements about how solid state is (generally) more reliable than analog will get you a nasty follow-up from Tommy Mac or Pat. Wait a minute; you *are* Pat. Pleased to see that you're not suffering from the bugaboos of a small mind. ;-) -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. ";-1;0 "From: deweeset@ptolemy2.rdrc.rpi.edu (Thomas E. DeWeese) Subject: Finding equally spaced points on a sphere. Article-I.D.: rpi.4615trd Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: ptolemy2.rdrc.rpi.edu Hello, I know that this has been discussed before. But at the time I didn't need to teselate a sphere. So if any kind soul has the code or the alg, that was finally decided upon as the best (as I recall it was a nice, iterative subdivision meathod), I would be very appreciative. Thomas DeWeese deweeset@rdrc.rpi.edu ";-1;0 "From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: First Bike?? and Wheelies Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 24 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu (James Leo Belliveau) says: > Anyone, > > I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to >put it bluntly, it sucks. I really would like some advice on what would >be a good starter bike for me. I do know one thing however, I need to >make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is >out of the question. I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR >600 F2, GSX-R 750). I know that this may sound kind of crazy >considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a >fast learner, and in love. Please give me any advice that you think >would help me in my search, including places to look or even specific >bikes that you want to sell me. > > Thanks :-) The answer is obvious: ZX-11 D. -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ ";-1;0 "From: snail@lsl.co.uk Subject: Re: Xlib for MS/WINDOWS not an XSERVER!!! Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr7.044749.11770@topgun>, smikes@topgun (Steven Mikes) writes: > Another company, Congruent Corporation of New York City, has also ported Xlib > Xt and Motif 1.1 over to MS Windows NT, which provides full client development > for X applications in an NT environment. Could someone please send me the postal and email address of Congruent Corporation (and any competitors they may have). Thank you. -- snail@lsl.co.uk ""Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be Neutral."" Quote by Freire. Poster by OXFAM. ";-1;0 "From: matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy) Subject: Re: Illegal Wiretaps (was Nntp-Posting-Host: wardibm2.med.yale.edu Organization: Yale U. - Genetics Lines: 33 In article <3702.204.uupcb@ssr.com>, dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin) wrote: > > PK> .Perhaps we need the telephony equivalent of an anonymous remailer for > > .the telephone network? Back in Prohibition days (alcohol, that is) I > > .understand a device called the ""cheesebox"" was a popular means to thwart > > .the tracing of telephone calls. It connected two phone lines in the back > > .room of an otherwise uninvolved business. It was the conceptual predecesso > > .of today's anonymous email remailer. > > The old ""cheesebox"" was the pre-Carterphone version of the ""call > diverter."" After the Carterphone decision there were several vendors > that sold call diverters. I've got a couple in my basement that > were used to redirect my office phone to my home number when I > didn't feel like going into the office. > > It'd be quite easy to generate an ""anonymous redialer"" version of the > call diverter. > About 18 months ago, I heard a report on NPR about a 900-number ""1-900-STO-PPER"" or some such, for placing untraceable calls. You call them, and on ""bong"" tone dial the number you want to call; they told the NPR interviewer that nothing short of a court order (which they'd fight) would make them release their records. Matt Healy ""I pretend to be a network administrator; the lab net pretends to work"" matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu ";-1;0 "From: jmeritt@mental.mitre.org Subject: God's promise of Peace Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fa- thers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. ";-1;0 "From: dprjdg@inetg1.ARCO.COM (John Grasham) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company Lines: 44 keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley) writes: > > All in all, I'm not certain that the single goal/prize of staying on the > moon for a year is wise and/or useful. How about: A prize for the > first > non-government sponsered unmanned moon landing, then another for a > manned > moon landing, then yet another for a system to extract consumables from > lunar soil, another for a reusable earth/moon shuttle, and so forth. > Find > some way to build civilian moonbase infrastructure... Having a single > goal > might result in a bunch of contestents giving up after one person > appeared > to win. And for those that didn't give up, I find something a little > scary > about a half dozen people huddling in rickety little moon shelters. I'd > like to see as much a reward for co-operation as for competition. > > Lastly, about ten or fifteen years back I seem to recall that there was > an > English space magazine that had an on-going discussion about moonbases > on > the cheap. I recalled it discussed things like how much heat the human > body produced, how much lunar material it'd need for protection from > solar > flares, etc. Unfortunately I don't remember the name of this magazine. > Does this ring a bell to anyone? > > Craig Keithley |""I don't remember, I don't recall, > Apple Computer, Inc. |I got no memory of anything at all"" > keithley@apple.com |Peter Gabriel, Third Album (1980) > I love the idea of progressive developmental prizes, but the assumption has been all along that only the U.S. Gummint could fund the prizes. It wouldn't and couldn't do such a thing ... BUT ... An eccentric billionaire COULD offer such a prize or series of prizes. Anyone know H. Ross Perot or Bill Gates personally? John G. ";-1;0 "From: sjp@ogre.apana.org.au (Steven Pemberton) Subject: Any info on Cyrix 486DRu2 chip? Distribution: world Organization: Home Sweet Home Lines: 16 Cyrix have released a 386 pin-conpatible 486 clone. Designed to upgrade old 16 & 20MHz 386's the chips are also clockdoubling. Thus a 16MHz 386 can be transformed into a 32MHz 486, with a single chip upgrade. Unfortunately in Australia the DRu2 sells for $700A (16MHz) and $1000A (20MHz), about 1.5x the price of a 486dx33 motherboard with two vlb slots!!! How much do these thing cost in the States? How well do they work? Thanks for any info, Steven Pemberton \o/ 486 NoteBook ------------------------------- | ---------------------------- sjp@ogre.apana.org.au / \ OS/2 2.0 ";-1;0 "From: myers@cs.scarolina.edu (Daniel Myers) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Lines: 39 Frequently of late, I have been reacting to something added to restaurant foods. What happens is that the inside of my throat starts to feel ""puffy"", like I have a cold, and also at times the inside of my mouth (especially the tongue) and lips also feel puffy. The situations around these symptoms almost always involve restaurants (usually chinese), the most notable cases: a cheap chinese fast food chain, a japanese steak house (I had the steak), and another chinese fast food chain where I SAW the cook put about a tablespoon or two of what looked like sugar or salt into my fried rice. I am under the impression that MSG ""enhances"" flavor by causing the taste buds to swell. If this is correct, I do not find it unreasonable to assume that high doses of MSG can cause other mouth tissues to swell. Also, as the many of the occurances (including two of the above) involved beef, and as beef is frequently tenderized with MSG, this is what I suspect as being the cause. I wouldn't be at all surprised if toxicity studies of MSG in animals showed it as being harmless, as it would be very startling to hear a lab rat or rhesus monkey complain about their throats feeling funny. Anyone who wishes to explain how the majority of food additives are totally harmless is welcome to e-mail me with the results of any studied they know of. I will probably respond to them however with a reminder of how long it took to prove that smoking causes cancer (which the tobacco companies still deny). - DM (If I sound grumpy, it's because I had beef with broccoli for lunch today, and now it hurts to swallow) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Myers (Madman) | If the creator had intended us to walk myers@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu | upright, he wouldn't have given us knuckles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";4;1 "From: dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Golf shoes size 9 1/2 Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH Lines: 15 Used pair of golf shoes Size 9 1/2 good shape no holes etc. $10.00 o.b.o. plus shipping. David-- --------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Snyder Logicon Technical Services Inc. dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil Wright-Patterson Air Force Base 513-255-5165 Dayton, Ohio USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is said that GOD doesn't subtract from ones' time on earth, those hours spent flying. --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1946 Cessna 140 N76234 ""The lady in waiting"" Owner/Operator --------------------------------------------------------------------- Opinions expressed are my own and not those of Logicon or the USAF. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: gmich@is.morgan.com (George Michaels) Subject: NTSC and th Nntp-Posting-Host: idt114 Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company Distribution: comp Lines: 0 ";-1;0 "From: spencer@med.umich.edu (Spencer W. Thomas) Subject: Re: cylinder and ray Organization: University of Michigan HSITN Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: guraldi.itn.med.umich.edu In-reply-to: katkere@krusty.eecs.umich.edu's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:04:23 GMT Sketch: Rotate so cylinder axis is || Z axis. Intersect X/Y projection of line with projected cylinder (similar to, but easier than, sphere intersection). Result: no intersection, one intersection, or two intersections, parameterized along line by t0 and t1. Now look at Z, and compute intersections of line with top and bottom planes of cylinder. This gives t0' and t1'. The interval of intersection is then the bit of the line from [t0,t1] INTERSECT [t0',t1']. Details left as an exercise for the reader. =S -- =Spencer W. Thomas | Info Tech and Networking, B1911 CFOB, 0704 ""Genome Informatician"" | Univ of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Spencer.W.Thomas@med.umich.edu | 313-764-8065, FAX 313-764-4133 ";-1;0 "From: rjs2@po.cwru.edu (Richard J. Szanto) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Reply-To: rjs2@po.cwru.edu (Richard J. Szanto) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 27 In a previous article, randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) says: >I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged >couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have >publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and >are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective >qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. I have discussed this with my girlfriend often. I consider myself married, though legally I am not. Neither of us have been with other people sexually, although we have been with each other. We did not have sexual relations until we decided to marry eventually. For financial and distance reasons, we will not be legally married for another year and a half. Until then, I consider myself married for life in God's eyes. I have faith that we have a strong relationship, and have had for over 4 years, and will be full of joy when we marry in a church. First, however, we must find a church( we will be living in a new area when we marry, and will need to find a new church community). Anyway, I feel that if two people commit to marriage before God, they are married and are bound by that commitment. -- -Rick Szanto -Polk Speakers Rock -Computer Engineer -Mac's Suck (Nothing Personal) -Case Western -Zeta Psi Rules -Reserve University ";17;1 "From: Scott.Marks@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Marks) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 18 >And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to >being traded to Pittsburgh. Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains >and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them. They rotate the A's during the >season (and even the C while Mario was out). Even Troy Loney has worn the C >for the Pens. I had heard(perhaps incorrectly) that while Lemieux was out, noone wore a C on their jersey. The As took turns doing captain duties(whatever they are). Scott... scott.marks@launchpad.unc.edu scott.marks@launchpad.unc.edu -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 ";-1;0 "From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Re: Death Penalty / Gulf War Lines: 232 In article <930419.115707.6f2.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew writes: > jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >>In article <930414.121019.7E4.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew >> writes: >>> Yes. Fortunately we have right-thinking folks like your good self in power >>> and it was therefore deemed acceptable to slaughter tens or even hundreds o >>> thousands of Iraqis in order to liberate oil^H^H^HKuwait. We won the war, >>> hurrah hurrah! >> >> The number of civilian Iraqi deaths were way over-exaggerated and >> exploited for anti-war emotionalism by the liberal news media. The >> facts are that less Iraqis died in the Gulf War than did civilians >> in any other war of comparable size this century! > > Let's analyze this claim a little. How is the ""size"" of a war defined? By > number of participants? Geographical area? Number of countries involved? > Number of casualties? Size of armies, duration, numbers of casualties both absolute and as a percentage of those involved, geographical area and numbers of countries too, are all measures of size. In this case I'd say the relevant statistic would be the number of combatants (total troops) compared to total casualties from among the total civilian population in the affected geographical area. > > Which other ""comparable"" wars are we talking about? Vietnam and Korea might make good comparisons. > > Which ""liberal news media"" are we talking about? > Western news in general, but in particular the American ""mass media"": CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. The general tone of the news during the whole war was one of ""those poor, poor Iraqis"" along with ""look how precisely this cruise missile blew this building to bits"". >> This was due mostly >> to the short duration coupled with precise surgical bombing techniques >> which were technically possible only recently. > > I suspect that medical advances may have something to do with it too. I agree. > >> How about all the innocent people who died in blanket-bombing in WW2? >> I don't hear you bemoaning them! > > Perhaps because the topic hasn't cropped up. If you want my opinion, I think > that the blanket bombing of German cities at the end of World War Two was the > most appalling act of wholesale slaughter this country has committed in > centuries. Bomber Harris was no hero of mine. Perhaps so. And maybe the atomic bomb was a mistake too. But that's easy to say from our ""enlightened"" viewpoint here in the 90's, right? Back then, it was *all-out* war, and Germany and Japan had to be squashed. After all, a million or more British had already died, hundreds of thousands of French, a couple hundread thousand or so Americans, and millions of Russians, not to mention a few million Jews, Poles, and other people of slavic descent in German concentration camps. All things considered, the fire-bombings and the atomic bomb were essential (and therefore justified) in bringing the war to a quick end to avoid even greater allied losses. I, for one, don't regret it. > >> War is never an exact science, but >> with smart bombs, it's becoming more exact with a smaller percentage >> of civilian casualties. Sometimes mistakes are made; targets are >> misidentified; innocents die. That's war the way it really is. > > Entrenched political rulers operating in their own selfish interests without > regard for the lives of other people, *that* is the way war really is. Sure. And it's the people who suffer because of them. All the more reason to depose these ""entrenched political rulers operating in their own selfish interests""! Or do you mean that this applies to the allies as well?? > > Why all the fuss about Kuwait and not East Timor, Bosnia, or even Tibet? If > Iraq is so bad, why were we still selling them stuff a couple of weeks before > we started bombing? I make no claim or effort to justify the misguided foreign policy of the West before the war. It is evident that the West, especially America, misjudged Hussein drastically. But once Hussein invaded Kuwait and threatened to militarily corner a significant portion of the world's oil supply, he had to be stopped. Sure the war could have been prevented by judicious and concerted effort on the part of the West before Hussein invaded Kuwait, but it is still *Hussein* who is responsible for his decision to invade. And once he did so, a strong response from the West was required. > >> Mathew, your sarcasm is noted but you are completely off-base here. >> You come off sounding like a complete peace-nik idiot, although I >> feel sure that was not your intent. > > What's your intent? To sound like a Loving Christian? Well, you aren't > doing a very good job of it. Well, it's not very ""loving"" to allow a Hussein or a Hitler to gobble up nearby countries and keep them. Or to allow them to continue with mass slaughter of certain peoples under their dominion. So, I'd have to say yes, stopping Hussein was the most ""loving"" thing to do for the most people involved once he set his mind on military conquest. > >> So the Iraqi war was wrong, eh? I'm sure that appeasement would have >> worked better than war, just like it did in WW2, eh? > > Who even mentioned appeasement? And what makes you think the situation is > even remotely analogous to World War Two? I mentioned it. If we hadn't intervened, allowing Hussein to keep Kuwait, then it would have been appeasement. It is precisely the lessons the world learned in WW2 that motivated the Western alliance to war. Letting Hitler take Austria and Czechoslavkia did not stop WW2 from happening, and letting Hussein keep Kuwait would not have stopped an eventual Gulf War to protect Saudi Arabia. > >> I guess we >> shouldn't have fought WW2 either -- just think of all those innocent >> German civilians killed in Dresden and Hamburg. > > Yes, do. Germans are human too, you know. > Sure. What was truly unfortunate was that they followed Hitler in his grandiose quest for a ""Thousand Year Reich"". The consequences stemmed from that. >> Tyrants like Hussein *have* to be stopped. His kind don't understand >> diplomacy; they only understand the point of a gun. My only regret is >> that Bush wimped out and didn't have the military roll into Baghdad, so >> now Hussein is still in power and the Iraqi people's sacrifice (not to >> mention the 357 Americans who died) was for naught. > > I look forward to hearing your incisive comments about East Timor and Tibet. > What should I say about them? Anything in particular? >> And as for poor, poor Rodney King! Did you ever stop and think *why* >> the jury in the first trial brought back a verdict of ""not guilty""? > > Yes. Amongst the things I thought were ""Hmm, there's an awful lot of white > people in that jury."" So? It was the *policemen* on trial not Rodney King!! And under American law they deserved a jury of *their* peers! If there had been black officers involved, I'm sure their would have been black jurors too. This point (of allegedly racial motivations) is really shallow. > >> Those who have been foaming at the mouth for the blood of those >> policemen certainly have looked no further than the video tape. >> But the jury looked at *all* the evidence, evidence which you and I >> have not seen. > > When I see a bunch of policemen beating someone who's lying defenceless on > the ground, it's rather hard to imagine what this other evidence might have > been. So? It's ""hard to imagine""? So when has Argument from Incredulity gained acceptance from the revered author of ""Constructing a Logical Argument""? Can we expect another revision soon?? :) (Just kidding.) > > If there is some wonderful evidence, why is it seemingly being kept secret? > Why not tell everyone what it is? Then everyone could say ""Oh, yes, you're > right, King deserved a good beating"", and we could all live happily ever > after. I have to admit that I wonder this too. But *neither* the prosecution nor the defense is talking. So one cannot conclude either way due to the silence of the principals. > >> Law in this country is intended to protect the rights of the accused, >> whether they be criminals or cops. One is not found guilty if there is >> a reasonable doubt of one's guilt, and only the jury is in a position >> to assess the evidence and render a verdict. > > Fine, but I'm still finding it hard to imagine what the ""reasonable doubt"" > was in this case. I mean, the cops certainly seem to be beating someone > who's lying defenceless on the ground. What's your explanation? Mass > hallucination? Orbital mind-control lasers? Faked video footage? Do tell. > OK. It certainly seemed to me that there was excessive force involved. And frankly, the original ""not guilty"" verdict baffled me too. But then I learned that the prosecution in the first case did not try to convict on a charge of excessive force or simple assault which they probably would have won, they tried to get a conviction on a charge of aggravated assault with intent to inflict serious bodily harm. A charge, which news commentators said, was akin to attempted murder under California law. Based on what the prosecution was asking for, it's evident that the first jury decided that the officers were ""not guilty"". Note, not ""not guilty"" of doing wrong, but ""not guilty"" of aggravated assault with the *intent* of inflicting serious bodily harm. The seeds of the prosecutions defeat were in their own overconfidence in obtaining a verdict such that they went for the most extreme charge they could. If the facts as the news commentators presented them are true, then I feel the ""not guilty"" verdict was a reasonable one. > > mathew > [ ""Thou shalt not kill... unless thou hast a pretty good reason for killing, > in which case thou shalt kill, and also kill anyone who gets in the way, > as unfortunately it cannot be helped."" > -- Jim Brown Bible for Loving Christians ] Thanks mathew, I like the quote. Pretty funny actually. (I'm a Monty Python fan, you know. Kind of seems in that vein.) Of course, oversimplifying any moral argument can make it seem contradictory. But then, you know that already. Regards, Jim B. Loving Christian :) ";-1;0 "From: kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article <19600@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: > Keith is the only person I have ever heard of that keeps the weight > off without any conscious effort to control eating behavior. ... most > of us have to diet a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity. I attribute my success to several factors: Very low fat. Except when someone else has cooked a meal for me, I only eat fruit, vegetables, and whole grain or bran cereals. I estimate I only get about 5 to 10 percent of my calories from fat. Very little sugar or salt. Very high fiber. Most Americans get about 10 grams. 25 to 35 are recommended. I get between 50 and 150. Sometimes 200. (I've heard of people taking fiber pills. It seems unlikely that pills can contain enough fiber to make a difference. It would be about as likely as someone getting fat by popping fat pills. Tablets are just too small, unless you snarf down hundreds of them daily.) My ""clean your plate"" conditioning works *for* me. Eating the last 10% takes half my eating time, and gives satiety a chance to catch up, so I don't still feel hungry and go start eating something else. I don't eat when I'm not hungry (unless I'm sure I'll get hungry shortly, and eating won't be practical then). I bike to work, 22 miles a day, year round. Fast. I also bike to stores, movies, and everywhere else, as I've never owned a car. I estimate this burns about 1000 calories a day. It also helps build and maintain muscle mass, prevent insulin resistance (diabetes runs in my family), and increase my metabolism. (Even so, my metabolism is so low that when I'm at rest I'm most comfortable with a temperature in the 90s (F), and usually wear a sweater if it drops to 80.) Cycling also motivates me to avoid every excess ounce. (Cyclists routinely pay a premium for cycling products that weigh slightly less than others. But it's easier and cheaper to trim weight from the rider than from the vehicle.) There's no question in my mind that my metabolism is radically different from that of most people who have never been fat. Fortunately, it isn't different in a way that precludes excellent health. Obviously, I can't swear that every obese person who does what I've done will have the success I did. But I've never yet heard of one who did try it and didn't succeed. > I think all of us cycle. One's success depends on how large the > fluctuations in the cycle are. Some people can cycle only 5 pounds. I'm sure everyone's weight cycles, whether or not they've ever been fat. I usually eat extremely little salt. When I do eat something salty, my weight can increase overnight by as much as ten pounds. It comes off again over a week or two. -- Keith Lynch, kfl@access.digex.com f p=2,3:2 s q=1 x ""f f=3:2 q:f*f>p!'q s q=p#f"" w:q p,?$x\8+1*8 ";-1;0 "From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: Impeach Clinton, Reno Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com > I HEARTILY agree. Now that the BATF warrant has been > unsealed, it is CLEAR that Clinton and Reno supported an > ILLEGAL raid. Did they not KNOW this? > NO authority for a 'no-knock"" raid > NO authority to use helicopters. > NO authority to search for a ""drug lab"" > And, apparently, not even any authority to search for ""automatic > weapons"". > 51 days of GOVERNMENT LIES. Sorry, I missed all this! Can you please give an update on the warrant? I hadn't heard that it was unsealed. There was no authority for a ""no-knock?"" This is news. How about an OK for a wiretap? Please summarize! ";-1;0 "From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr18.230531.11329@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan) writes: >In article <13386@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: >>Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance. >> >>I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec. >>vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year. >> >>Now what do I do? > >Sell the bike and the car and start taking the bus. That way you can >keep drinking which seems to be where your priorities lay. > >I expect that enough of us on this list have lost friends because of >driving drunks that our collective sympathy will be somewhat muted. Look, guy, I doubt anyone here approves of Drunk Driving, but if he's been caught and convicted and punished maybe you ought to lighten up? I mean, it isn't like most of us haven't had a few and then ridden or driven home. *We* just didn't get caught. And I can speak for myself and say it will *never* happen again, but that is beside the point. In answer to the original poster: I'd insure whatever vehicle is cheapest, and can get you to and from work, and suffer through it for a few years, til your rates drop. And *don't* drink and drive. I had one friend killed by a drunk, and I was rear ended by one, totaling my bike (bent frame), and only failing to kill me because I had an eye on my mirror while I waited at the stoplight. Regards, Charles DoD0.001 RZ350 -- Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person ";-1;0 "From: nmp@mfltd.co.uk (Nic Percival (x5336)) Subject: Non-turbo speed Reply-To: nmp@mfltd.co.uk Organization: Micro Focus Ltd, Newbury, England Lines: 18 Just taken delivery of a 66MHz 486 DX2 machine, and very nice it is too. One query - the landmark speed when turbo is on is 230 or something MHz - thats not the problem. The problem is the speed when turbo is off. Its 7 MHz. The equivalent in car terms is having a nice Porsche with a button that turns it into a skateboard. Does anyone have a clue as to what determines the relative performance of turbo vs non-turbo?? I would like to set it to give a landmark speed of about 30 or 40 MHz with turbo off. Cheers, -- +-- Nic Percival ----------+- ""Well that was a piece of cake, eh K-9?"" -----+ | Micro Focus, Newbury. | ""Piece of cake master? Radial slice of baked | | (0635) 32646 Ext 5336. | confection... - coefficient of relevance to | +-- nmp@mfltd.co.uk -------+- Key to Time: zero."" - Dr. Who ---------------+ ";5;1 "From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 17 Ken Arromdee writes >>Did they not know that these men were federal officers? >Do you know what a ""no-knock search"" is? Yes, but tell me how you think your question answers my question. If the BDs didn't know immediately that they were dealing with feds (uniform apparel, insignia), they must have figured it out in pretty short order. Why did they keep fighting? They seemed awfully ready for having been attacked ""without warning"". -- Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light! Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again... University of Virginia | Companion keyboard. pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho ";-1;0 "From: galen@picea.CFNR.ColoState.EDU (Galen Watts) Subject: Re: Suggestions on Audio relays ??? Nntp-Posting-Host: storm.cfnr.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado Concert Sound Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr20.102756.1709@mala.bc.ca> wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) writes: >In article , alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes: >> In article billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes: >>>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch >>>audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. I was doing >>>My question is: >>> Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching >>>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines. >> >> Are you switching high level signals or low level signals like pre-amp >A novel circuit I used to build was a primitive ""optical isolator"".. It consists >of a resistive photocell and a lamp, all packaged in a tube. When the lamp is >off the cell is high resistance. Turn the lamp on and the resistance lowers I use an H11F1 FET optoisolater to switch microphone level signals. There is no click, since I put a .1uF cap across the LED. Distortion measurement are very low with mic level, and they went up to 0.03% at a + 14 dB line level. All I did was put the FET in series with one leg of the balanced line. No hums, pops, just audio jumping out of silence. The FET runs about 100 million ohms with the LED dark and drops to 150-200 ohms with it on. Hey, it works, and works well. Galen Watts, KF0YJ ";-1;0 "From: mbeckman@mbeckman.mbeckman.com (Mel Beckman) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: Beckman Software Engineering Reply-To: mbeckman@mbeckman.com Distribution: world X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5 Lines: 38 In article (sci.crypt), strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable > one: Make it voluntary. > > That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree > to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. > David, As an economist, I'm sure you can see the flaws in this logic. If the (naive) market is flooded with proprietary, but weak, encryption, then truly strong encryption will be unable to compete. Suppose the govt had a secret TV broadcast standard, and then sold TVs below cost. Private industry has a better standard, but it's not as widespread due to the govt early flooding of the market with cheap proprietary sets. Even though the industry's technology is better, the programming is being broadcast to the govt's unduplicatable standard. Who could compete? The other flaw, of course, is that making something voluntary today ensures that it will be voluntary in the future. I went to renew my CA drivers license last week and was required not only to give my SSN, but to PRODUCE AN SSN CARD to veryify the number! Note that a federal law once said that no state or local govt could ever require the use of SSNs for drivers license registration (specifically!). I do not trust the govt that says ""trust me on this even though we could have an arrangement that doesn't require your trust."" Something is big time fishy. If you look more carefully, you'll see it. -mel ________________________________________________________________________ | Mel beckman | Internet: mbeckman@mbeckman.com | | Beckman Software Engineering | Compuserve: 75226,2257 | | Ventura, CA 93003 | Voice/fax: 805/647-1641 805/647-3125 | |______________________________|_______________________________________| ""You can observe a lot just by watching."" -Yogi Bera ";-1;0 "From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: tape backup for windows Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com I'm looking for a complete hw/sw solution: I need an ISA/VLB scsi controller (e.g Ultrastor 34F) plus a tape drive (500Mb or less like Archive) plus a Windows program that will work on these. My intended system will have 32Mb RAM so plain ISA controllers will no longer do. But I also hear that the SCSI world is not very organized. So does anybody have a tape backup setup like what I'm looking for ? Please describe it. Thanks. e-mail please. -- marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com ";5;1 "From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 34 |in L.A., the first recorded survivor of a .357 shot to the heart. That |lady not only killed her attacker, but chased him down to do it! All |four of her shots, fired after SHE had been shot, struck the perp. Atta |girl! The bullet entered her on a downward angle, went through the apex |of her heart, down through the diaphragm, clipped her liver and |destroyed her spleen. It then exited her back leaving a tennis ball |sized hole. She died about six times on the operating table, but was |out of the hospital in 15 days and was back on full duty in eight |months! She was off duty at the time and not wearing her vest. She was |on her way home so happened to have her gun. No, she doesn't think |civilians should have the same rights. Sigh. Well, if police think they are so special that only _THEY_ are worthy of self-defense, perhaps we start putting the arm on police; maybe we should start demanding that police are only police when ON-DUTY, that after that they are just like the ordinary disarmed helpless chumps they consider ""civilians."" Let's prohibit arms carrying by police when off-duty. Or, if they make the assertion that ""Well, I need to maintain my gun"" let's make it regulation that they can carry an UNLOADED firearm home, that it's only fair that they be just as helpless as poor schmuck coming home from his computer operator job... NRA Director/ex-San Jose cop Leroy Pyle states in the latest SWAT magazine that anti-cops better watch out for this schism between RKBA folks and the police. He asks the rhetorical question of 'What if what's left of the gun lobby starts demanding the disarmament of the police?"" Well, I guess anti-gun cops who think only they should be armed, along with the wealthy and politically connected, should be made to realize that screwing can cut in ways they have yet to imagine. ";3;1 "From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson) Subject: IBM software for sale, cheap! Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 76 For Sale...: Three software packages for IBM PC and compatible computers: o Wing Commander deluxe edition o Includes Secret Missions 1 & 2 o Includes all original packaging, manuals and disks o Includes registration card (so you can send it in and register it in your name) o Original price for Wing Commander: $69.95 o Original price for Secret Missions I: $29.95 o Original price for Secret Missions II: $29.95 o Total original price: $129.85 o My asking price for all these of these games TOGETHER is $65.00 o Wing Commander and the Secret Missions is a battle and flight simulator set in space. It includes all the standard fun things about flight simulators, like taking off and landing on carriers, flying -- of course -- and better yet, it is also a battle simulator. It is a lot of fun, indeed. o An IBM PC or compatible with at least 640K, and dual floppies or a hard drive is required. o WinWay Resume for Windows o Includes all original packaging, manuals and disks o Original price: $50.00 o My asking price: $35.00 o WinWay Resume is a resume writing program for Windows. It is an excellent program (it got me a job!) and running under the Window's interface makes it very, very easy to use. All you do is answer a few questions, and print out the results. In just a few minutes, you have a beautifully and professionally designed resume. o An IBM PC with Windows 3.0 or later installed and 1 MB of free hard disk space is required. o More Typefaces o Includes all original packaging, manuals and disks o Original price: $99.99 o My asking price: $30.00 o More Typefaces is a package of three TypeType font families (for a total of twelve fonts) for Windows 3.1. The fonts included are: Marque, Crystal and Architech, and of course italic, bold and bold italic versions are included with all those fonts. Because of the unique font software included with the package, these fonts can be used with either the MoreFonts typeface program, Adobe Type Manager, TrueType, GeoWorks, Express Publisher and CorelDRAW. o An IBM PC with Windows 3.1 and a hard disk is required if you want to use the typefaces in TrueType format. For all other formats, an IBM PC and a hard disk with one of the programs listed above is required. If you are interested in any of these programs, please either leave me email or call Kirk Peterson at (303) 494-7951, anytime. If I don't answer, leave me a message on my answering machine and I'll call you back. I will pay the shipping on all of the programs to anywhere in the continental United States. Thank you! ";-1;0 "From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: War Powers Resolution on Bosnia 4.14.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 102 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 14, 1993 TEXT OF A LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE OF THE SENATE April 13, 1993 Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:) As part of my continuing effort to keep the Congress fully informed, I am providing this report, consistent with section 4 of the War Powers Resolution, to advise you of actions that I have ordered in support of the United Nations efforts in Bosnia-Herzegovina. Beginning with U.N. Security Council Resolution 713 of September 25, 1991, the United Nations has been actively addressing the crisis in the former Yugoslavia. The Security Council acted in Resolution 781 to establish a ban on all unauthorized military flights over Bosnia-Herzegovina. There have, however, been blatant violations of the ban, and villages in Bosnia have been bombed. In response to these violations, the Security Council decided, in Resolution 816 of March 31, 1993, to extend the ban to all unauthorized flights over Bosnia-Herzegovina and to authorize Member States, acting nationally or through regional organi- zations, to take all necessary measures to ensure compliance. NATO's North Atlantic Council (NAC) agreed to provide NATO air enforcement for the no-fly zone. The U.N. Secretary General was notified of NATO's decision to proceed with Operation DENY FLIGHT, and an activation order was delivered to participating allies. The United States actively supported these decisions. At my direction, the Joint Chiefs of Staff sent an execute order to all U.S. forces participating in the NATO force, for the conduct of phased air operations to prevent flights not authorized by the United Nations over Bosnia-Herzegovina. The U.S. forces initially assigned to this operation consist of 13 F-15 and 12 F-18A fighter aircraft and supporting tanker aircraft. These aircraft commenced enforcement operations at 8:00 a.m. e.d.t. on April 12, 1993. The fighter aircraft are equipped for combat to accomplish their mission and for self-defense. NATO has positioned forces and has established combat air patrol (CAP) stations within the control of Airborne Early Warning (AEW) aircraft. The U.S. CAP aircraft will normally operate from bases in Italy and from an aircraft carrier in the Adriatic Sea. Unauthorized aircraft entering or approaching the no-fly zone will be identified, interrogated, intercepted, escorted/monitored, and turned away (in that order). If these steps do not result in compliance with the no-fly zone, such aircraft may be engaged on the basis of proper authorization by NATO military authorities and in accordance with the approved more (OVER) 2 rules of engagement, although we do not expect such action will be necessary. The Commander of UNPROFOR (the United Nations Protection Force currently operating in Bosnia-Herzegovina) was consulted to ensure that his concerns for his force were fully considered before the rules of engagement were approved. It is not possible to predict at this time how long such operations will be necessary. I have directed U.S. armed forces to participate in these operations pursuant to my constitutional authority as Commander in Chief. I am grateful for the con- tinuing support that the Congress has given to this effort, and I look forward to continued cooperation as we move forward toward attainment of our goals in this region. Sincerely, WILLIAM J. CLINTON # # # ";18;1 "From: heke@stekt.oulu.fi (Heikki Paananen) Subject: Re: How do DI boxes work? In-Reply-To: lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU's message of 15 Apr 93 15:02:28 Lines: 38 Organization: University of Oulu, Dept. of EE, Finland In article lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes: > I'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct > Input boxes for the keyboards. These are the little boxes that take a > line level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run > to the mixer. Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going > to need like 5 or 10 of them! I looked inside one (belonging to > another band) and it looks like just a transformer. Does anyone have > any plans for building them? Perhaps in Anderton's ""Electronic > Projects for Musicians"" book (which I am having a hell of a time > tracking down...)? An Easy way to solve the problem is to use two op-amps to form the balanced low-Z output, but this solution does not provide any galvanic isolation between keyboard (or whatever plugged) and mixer. If no tight requiremets are demanded and some hum, snap, crackle and pop sounds (formed by ground loops) can be tolerated, the op-amp solution is just what you are looking for! (It is cheap...somewhat $10/DI-box). Not sure, but Craig Anderton did introduce one DI-box project in Guitar Player mag years ago (transformerless)..... > Thanks a lot! Hope this helps. Email, if more details wanted.... > - lancer@wpi.wpi.edu - - 0{{ MoDiMiDoFrSaSo: - > - Mein Kopf ist ein Labyrinth, mein Leben ist ein Minenfeld - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Heikki Paananen heke@stekt.oulu.fi The University of Oulu Department of electrical engineering -Just a student Finland ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Home is where the heart lies, but if the heart lies where is home? -Fish ";11;1 "From: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Subject: HICN610 Medical News Part 3/4 Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Distribution: world Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY Lines: 708 ------------- cut here ----------------- University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona Suggested Reading Tan SL, Royston P, Campbell S, Jacobs HS, Betts J, Mason B, Edwards RG (1992). Cumulative conception and Livebirth rates after in-vitro fertilization. Lancet 339:1390-1394. For further information, call: Physicians' Resource Line 1-800-328-5868 in Tucson: 694-5868 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 28 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Articles :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: LOW LEVELS OF AIRBORNE PARTICLES LINKED TO SERIOUS ASTHMA ATTACKS American Lung Association A new study published by the American Lung Association has shown that surprisingly low concentrations of airborne particles can send people with asthma rushing to emergency rooms for treatment. The Seattle-based study showed that roughly one in eight emergency visits for asthma in that city was linked to exposure to particulate air pollution. The actual exposure levels recorded in the study were far below those deemed unsafe under federal air quality laws. ""People with asthma have inflamed airways, and airborne particles tend to exacerbate that inflammation,"" said Joel Schwartz, Ph.D., of the Environmental Protection Agency, who was the lead author of the study. ""When people are on the threshold of having, a serious asthma attack, particles can push them over the edge."" The Seattle Study correlated 13 months of asthma emergency room visits with daily levels of PM,,,. or particulate matter with an aerodynamic diameter of 10 microns or less. These finer particles are considered hazardous because they are small enough penetrate into the lung. Cities are considered out of compliance with clean air laws if the 24-hour average concentration of PM10 exceeds 150 micrograms per cubic millimeter of air. In Seattle however, a link between fine particles and asthma was found at levels as low as 30 micrograms. The authors concluded that for every 30 microgram increase in the four-day average of PM10, the odds of someone with asthma needing emergency treatment increased by 12 percent. The findings were published in the April American Review of Respiratory Disease, an official journal of the American Thoracic Society, the Lung Association's medical section. The study is the latest in a series of recent reports to suggest that particulate matter is a greatly under appreciated health threat. A 1992 study by Dr. Schwartz and Douglas Dockery, Ph.D., of Harvard found that particles may be causing roughly 60,000 premature deaths each year in the United States. Other studies have linked particulate matter to increased respiratory symptoms and bronchitis in children. ""Government officials and the media are still very focused on ozone,"" says Dr. Schwartz. ""But more and more research is showing that particles are bad actors as well."" One problem in setting, standards for particulate air pollution is that PMIO is difficult to study. Unlike other regulated pollutants such as ozone and carbon monoxide, particulate matter is a complex and varying mixture of substances, including carbon, hydrocarbons, dust, and HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 29 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 acid aerosols. ""Researchers can't Put people in exposure chambers to study the effects of particulate air pollution,"" says Dr. Schwartz. ""We have no way of duplicating the typical urban mix of particles. "" Consequently, most of what is known about particulates has been learned through population-based research like the Seattle study. Given that the EPA's current priority is to review the ozone and sulfur dioxide standards, the agency is unlikely to reexamine the PM10 standard any time soon. Until changes are made, there appears to be little people with asthma can do to protect themselves from airborne particles. ""In some areas, you can get reports on air quality, but the reports only cover the pollutant that is closest to violating its standard, and that's rarely particulate matter,"" says Dr. Schwartz. ""However, PM10 doesn't have to be near its violation range to be unhealthy."" HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 30 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 NIH Consensus Development Conference on Melanoma The National Institutes of Health Consensus Development Conference on Diagnosis and Treatment of Early Melanoma brought together experts in dermatology, pathology, epidemiology, public education, surveillance techniques, and potential new technologies as well as other health care professionals and the public to address (1) the clinical and histological characteristics of early melanoma; (2) the appropriate diagnosis, management, and followup of patients with early melanoma; (3) the role of dysplastic nevi and their significance; and (4) the role of education and screening in preventing melanoma morbidity and mortality. Following 2 days of presentations by experts and discussion by the audience, a consensus panel weighed the scientific evidence and prepared their consensus statement. Among their findings, the panel recommended that (1) melanoma in situ is a distinct entity effectively treated surgically with 0.5 centimeter margins; (2) thin invasive melanoma, less than 1 millimeter thick, has the potential for long-term survival in more than 90 percent of patients after surgical excision with a 1 centimeter margin; (3) elective lymph node dissections and extensive staging evaluations are not recommended in early melanoma; (4) patients with early melanoma are at low risk for relapse but may be at high risk for development of subsequent melanomas and should be followed closely; (5) some family members of patients with melanoma are at increased risk for melanoma and should be enrolled in surveillance programs; and (6) education and screening programs have the potential to decrease morbidity and mortality from melanoma. A copy of the full text of the consensus panel's statement is available by calling the NIH Office of Medical Applications of Research at (301) 496-1143 or by writing to: Office of Medical Applications of Research, National Institutes of Health, Federal Building, Room 618, Bethesda, MD 20892. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 31 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 NCI-Designated Cancer Centers The Cancer Centers Program is comprised of 55 NCI-designated Cancer Centers actively engaged in multidisciplinary research efforts to reduce cancer incidence, morbidity, and mortality. Within the program, there are four types of cancer centers: basic science cancer centers (14), which engage primarily in basic cancer research; clinical cancer centers (12), which focus on clinical research; ""comprehensive"" cancer centers (28), which emphasize a multidisciplinary approach to cancer research, patient care, and community outreach; and consortium cancer centers (1), which specialize in cancer prevention and control research. Although some cancer centers existed in the late 1960s and the 1970s, it was the National Cancer Act of 1971 that authorized the establishment of 15 new cancer centers, as well as continuing support for existing ones. The passage of the act also dramatically transformed the centers' structure and broadened the scope of their mission to include all aspects of basic, clinical, and cancer control research. Over the next two decades, the centers' program grew progressively. In 1990, there were 19 comprehensive cancer centers in the nation. Today, there are 28 of these institutions, all of which meet specific NCI criteria for comprehensive status. To attain recognition from the NCI as a comprehensive cancer center, an institution must pass rigorous peer review. Under guidelines newly established in 1990, the eight criteria for ""comprehensiveness"" include the requirement that a center have a strong core of basic laboratory research in several scientific fields, such as biology and molecular genetics, a strong program of clinical research, and an ability to transfer research findings into clinical practice. Moreover, five of the criteria for comprehensive status go significantly beyond that required for attaining a Cancer Center Support Grant (also referred to as a P30 or core grant), the mechanism of choice for supporting the infrastructure of a cancer center's operations. These criteria encompass strong participation in NCI-designated high-priority clinical trials, significant levels of cancer prevention and control research, and important outreach and educational activities--all of which are funded by a variety of sources. The other types of cancer centers also have special characteristics and capabilities for organizing new programs of research that can exploit important new findings or address timely research questions. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 32 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Of the 55 NCI-designated Cancer Centers, 14 are of the basic science type. These centers engage almost entirely in basic research, although some centers engage in collaborative research with outside clinical research investigators and in cooperative projects with industry to generate medical applications from new discoveries in the laboratory. Clinical cancer centers, in contrast, focus on both basic research and clinical research within the same institutional framework, and frequently incorporate nearby affiliated clinical research institutions into their overall research programs. There are 12 such centers today. Finally, consortium cancer centers, of which there is one, are uniquely structured and concentrate on clinical research and cancer prevention and control research. These centers interface with state and local public health departments for the purpose of achieving the transfer of effective prevention and control techniques from their research findings to those institutions responsible for implementing population-wide public health programs. Consortium centers also are heavily engaged in collaborations with institutions that conduct clinical trial research and coordinate community hospitals within a network of cooperating institutions in clinical trials. Together, the 55 NCI-Designated Cancer Centers continue to work toward creating new and innovative approaches to cancer research, and through interdisciplinary efforts, to effectively move this research from the laboratory into clinical trials and into clinical practice. Comprehensive Cancer Centers (Internet addresses are given where available) University of Alabama at Birmingham Comprehensive Cancer Center Basic Health Sciences Building, Room 108 1918 University Boulevard Birmingham, Alabama 35294 (205) 934-6612 University of Arizona Cancer Center 1501 North Campbell Avenue Tucson, Arizona 85724 (602) 626-6372 Internet: syd@azcc.arizona.edu Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center University of California at Los Angeles 200 Medical Plaza Los Angeles, California 90027 (213) 206-0278 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 33 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Internet: rick@jccc.medsch.ucla.edu Kenneth T. Norris Jr. Comprehensive Cancer Center University of Southern California 1441 Eastlake Avenue Los Angeles, California 90033-0804 (213) 226-2370 Yale University Comprehensive Cancer Center 333 Cedar Street New Haven, Connecticut 06510 (203) 785-6338 Lombardi Cancer Research Center Georgetown University Medical Center 3800 Reservoir Road, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20007 (202) 687-2192 Sylvester Comprehensive Cancer Center University of Miami Medical School 1475 Northwest 12th Avenue Miami, Florida 33136 (305) 548-4800 Internet: hlam@mednet.med.miami.edu Johns Hopkins Oncology Center 600 North Wolfe Street Baltimore, Maryland 21205 (410) 955-8638 Dana-Farber Cancer Institute 44 Binney Street Boston, Massachusetts 02115 (617) 732-3214 Internet: Kristie_Stevenson@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu Meyer L. Prentis Comprehensive Cancer Center of Metropolitan Detroit 110 East Warren Avenue Detroit, Michigan 48201 (313) 745-4329 Internet: cummings%oncvx1.dnet@rocdec.roc.wayne.edu University of Michigan Cancer Center HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 34 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 101 Simpson Drive Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-0752 (313) 936-9583 BITNET: kallie.bila.michels@um.cc.umich.edu Mayo Comprehensive Cancer Center 200 First Street Southwest Rochester, Minnesota 55905 (507) 284-3413 Norris Cotton Cancer Center Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center One Medical Center Drive Lebanon, New Hampshire 03756 (603) 646-5505 BITNET: edward.bresnick@dartmouth.edu Roswell Park Cancer Institute Elm and Carlton Streets Buffalo, New York 14263 (716) 845-4400 Columbia University Comprehensive Cancer Center College of Physicians and Surgeons 630 West 168th Street New York, New York 10032 (212) 305-6905 Internet: janie@cuccfa.ccc.columbia.edu Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center 1275 York Avenue New York, New York 10021 (800) 525-2225 Kaplan Cancer Center New York University Medical Center 462 First Avenue New York, New York 10016-9103 (212) 263-6485 UNC Lineberger Comprehensive Cancer Center University of North Carolina School of Medicine Chapel Hill, North Carolina 27599 (919) 966-4431 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 35 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Duke Comprehensive Cancer Center P.O. Box 3814 Durham, North Carolina 27710 (919) 286-5515 Cancer Center of Wake Forest University at the Bowman Gray School of Medicine 300 South Hawthorne Road Winston-Salem, North Carolina 27103 (919) 748-4354 Internet: ccwfumail@phs.bgsm.wfu.edu Ohio State University Comprehensive Cancer Center 300 West 10th Avenue Columbus, Ohio 43210 (614) 293-5485 Internet: dyoung@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fox Chase Cancer Center 7701 Burholme Avenue Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19111 (215) 728-2570 Internet: s_davis@fccc.edu University of Pennsylvania Cancer Center 3400 Spruce Street Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19104 (215) 662-6364 Pittsburgh Cancer Institute 200 Meyran Avenue Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15213-2592 (800) 537-4063 The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center 1515 Holcombe Boulevard Houston, Texas 77030 (713) 792-3245 Vermont Cancer Center University of Vermont 1 South Prospect Street Burlington, Vermont 05401 (802) 656-4580 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 36 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center 1124 Columbia Street Seattle, Washington 98104 (206) 667-4675 Internet: sedmonds@cclink.fhcrc.org University of Wisconsin Comprehensive Cancer Center 600 Highland Avenue Madison, Wisconsin 53792 (608) 263-8600 BITNET: carbone@uwccc.biostat.wisc.edu Clinical Cancer Centers University of California at San Diego Cancer Center 225 Dickinson Street San Diego, California 92103 (619) 543-6178 Internet: dedavis@ucsd.edu City of Hope National Medical Center Beckman Research Institute 1500 East Duarte Road Duarte, California 91010 (818) 359-8111 ext. 2292 University of Colorado Cancer Center 4200 East 9th Avenue, Box B188 Denver, Colorado 80262 (303) 270-7235 University of Chicago Cancer Research Center 5841 South Maryland Avenue, Box 444 Chicago, Illinois 60637 (312) 702-6180 Internet: judith@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu Albert Einstein College of Medicine 1300 Morris Park Avenue Bronx, New York 10461 (212) 920-4826 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 37 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 University of Rochester Cancer Center 601 Elmwood Avenue, Box 704 Rochester, New York 14642 (716) 275-4911 Internet: rickb@wotan.medicine.rochester.edu Ireland Cancer Center Case Western Reserve University University Hospitals of Cleveland 2074 Abington Road Cleveland, Ohio 44106 (216) 844-5432 Roger Williams Cancer Center Brown University 825 Chalkstone Avenue Providence, Rhode Island 02908 (401) 456-2071 St. Jude Children's Research Hospital 332 North Lauderdale Street Memphis, Tennessee 38101-0318 (901) 522-0306 Internet: meyer@mbcf.stjude.org Institute for Cancer Research and Care 4450 Medical Drive San Antonio, Texas 78229 (512) 616-5580 Utah Regional Cancer Center University of Utah Health Sciences Center 50 North Medical Drive, Room 2C110 Salt Lake City, Utah 84132 (801) 581-4048 BITNET: hogan@cc.utah.edu Massey Cancer Center Medical College of Virginia Virginia Commonwealth University 1200 East Broad Street Richmond, Virginia 23298 (804) 786-9641 Consortia HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 38 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Drew-Meharry-Morehouse Consortium Cancer Center 1005 D.B. Todd Boulevard Nashville, Tennessee 37208 (615) 327-6927 HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 39 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: General Announcments :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: THE UCI MEDICAL EDUCATION SOFTWARE REPOSITORY This is to announce the establishment of an FTP site at the University of California, for the collection of shareware, public-domain software and other information relating to Medical Education. Specifically, we are interested in establishing this site as a clearinghouse for personally developed software that has been developed for local medical education programs. We welcome all contributions that may be shared with other users. To connect to the UCI Medical Education Software Repository, ftp to: FTP.UCI.EDU The Repository currently offers both MSDOS and Macintosh software, and we hope to support other operating systems (UNIX, MUMPS, AMIGA?). Uploads are welcome. We actively solicit information and software which you have personaly developed or have found useful in your local medical education efforts, either as an instructor or student. Once you have connected to the site via FTP, cd (change directory) to either the med-ed/mac/incoming or the med-ed/msdos/incoming directories, change the mode to binary and ""send"" or ""put"" your files. Note that you won't be able to see the files with the ""ls"" or ""dir"" commands. Please compress your files as appropriate to the operating system (ZIP for MSDOS; Compactor or something similar for Macintosh) to save disk space. After uploading, please send email to Steve Clancy (slclancy@uci.edu) (for MSDOS) or Albert Saisho (saisho@uci.edu) (for MAC) describing the file(s) you have uploaded and any other information we might need to describe it. Note that we can only accept software or information that has been designated as shareware, public-domain or that may otherwise be distributed freely. Please do not upload commercial software! Doing so may jeopardize the existence of this FTP site. If you wish to upload software for other operating systems, please contact either Steve Clancy, M.L.S. or Albert Saisho, M.D. at the addresses above. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 40 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: AIDS News Summaries :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: AIDS Daily Summary The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) National AIDS Clearinghouse makes available the following information as a public service only. Providing this information does not constitute endorsement by the CDC, the CDC Clearinghouse, or any other organization. Reproduction of this text is encouraged; however, copies may not be sold. Copyright 1993, Information, Inc., Bethesda, MD ================================================================== April 12, 1993 ================================================================== ""NIH Set to Test Multiple AIDS Vaccines"" Reuters (04/08/93) (Frank, Jacqueline) Washington--The Clinton administration will permit the National Institutes of Health to test multiple AIDS vaccines instead of only allowing the Army to test a single vaccine, administration sources said Thursday. The decision ends the controversy between Army AIDS researchers who had hoped to test a vaccine made by MicroGeneSys Inc. and the National Institutes of Health, which contended that multiple vaccines should be tested. Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala said a final announcement on the therapeutic vaccine trials was expected to be made last Friday. Companies including Genentech Inc., Chiron Corp., and Immuno AG have already told NIH that they are prepared to participate in the vaccine tests. The testing is intended to demonstrate whether AIDS vaccines are effective in thwarting the replication of HIV in patients already infected. Shalala refuted last week's reports that the Clinton administration had decided the Army's test of the MicroGeneSys VaxSyn should proceed without tests of others at the same time. ""The report was inaccurate, and I expect there to be some announcement in the next 24 hours about that particular AIDS research project,"" said Shalala. Administration sources subsequently confirmed that NIH director Dr. Bernadine Healy and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner David Kessler had convinced the White House that multiple vaccines should be tested simultaneously. But MicroGeneSys president Frank Volvovitz said a test of multiple vaccines could triple the cost of the trial and delay it by two years. ================================================================== HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 41 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 ""The Limits of AZT's Impact on HIV"" U.S. News & World Report (04/12/93) Vol. 114, No. 14, P. 18 AZT has become the most widely used drug to fight AIDS since it was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1987. Burroughs Wellcome, the manufacturer of AZT, made $338 million last year alone from sales of the drug. However, a team of European researchers recently reported that although HIV-positive patients taking AZT demonstrated a slightly lower risk of developing AIDS within the first year of treatment, that benefit disappeared two years later. The Lancet published preliminary findings of the three-year study, which could give more reason for critics to argue the drug's cost, side effects, and general efficacy. Even though U.S. researchers concede the study was more comprehensive than American trials, many argue the European researchers' suggestion that HIV-positive patients experience little improvement in their illness before the development of AIDS symptoms. In addition, researchers have long been familiar with the --------- end of part 3 ------------ --- Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165 Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD FidoNet=> 1:114/15 Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na ";-1;0 "From: masc0442@ucsnews.sdsu.edu (Todd Greene) Subject: How do I find my AppContext? Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ucssun1.sdsu.edu Keywords: Context, Xt, motif, application X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Is there an Xt call to give me my application context? I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut, whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use to give me this value? Thanks, Todd Greene masc0442@ucssun1.sdsu.edu ~ ";-1;0 "From: maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) Subject: Re: A Miracle in California Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <- Lines: 22 Re: Waving... I must say, that the courtesy of a nod or a wave as I meet other bikers while riding does a lot of good things to my mood... While riding is a lot of fun by itself, there's something really special about having someone say to you ""Hey, it's a great day for a ride... Isn't it wonderful that we can spend some time on the road on days like this..."" with a gesture. Was sunny today for the first time in a week, took my bike out for a spin down to the local salvage yard/bike shop... ran into about 20 other people who were down there for similar reasons (there's this GREAT stretch of road on the way down there... no side streets, lotsa leaning bends... ;) ... Went on an impromptu coffee and bullshit run down to puyallup with a batch of people who I didn't know, but who were my kinda people nonetheless. As a fellow commented to me while I was admiring his bike... ""Hey, it's not what you ride, it's that you ride... As long as it has 2 wheels and an engine it's the same thing..."" -- ---- maven@eskimo.com (InterNet) maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (UseNet) The Maven@The Mavenry (AlterNet) ";-1;0 "From: ae015@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Hui) Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What??? Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 19 One thing that everyone is forgetting in this argument over the pricing of the SC1 vs. the Japanese cars is the Saturns ""no-dicker sticker"". This makes the Saturn's price low in comparison to the inflated base prices of the Japanese competition on paper, but in reality, one could dicker several hundred dollars off the price of the Japanese cars. Admittedly, though, here in Canada, at least, the SC2 is in the same price class as the Civic Si, not the SC1. Steve Hui ";-1;0 "From: steve@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Steve Glicker) Subject: 2 1000W Power Supplies Nntp-Posting-Host: rooster Organization: Applied Research Labs, The University of Texas at Austin Distribution: misc Lines: 14 Two LH Research SM11-1 power supplies (SM10 series). 1000W, 5V, 200A (currently wired for 115VAC) Control lines: +/- sense, on/off, pwr.fail, high/low margin, and current monitor. (The list price from LH Research is $824.00 each for qty. 1-9) Asking $500.00 for the pair. Steve Glicker Austin, Texas (steve@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu) ";-1;0 "From: montana@pinetree.org (David Wong) Subject: hockey playoff pool: LAST CHANCE! Keywords: hockey playoff pool: LAST CHANCE! Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Lines: 66 This will be my last post ( promotion ) of the hockey pool.. I will update the pool ( or try to ) every wednesday Subject: Please join my hockey playoff pool. Deadline for pool: Midnight Saturday Rules: Read on Cost: NONE PRIZES: NONE Send replies to : Montana@pinetree.org Note: if your entries is send by midnight saturday it will be accepted please include your name Rules to the ACME hockey playoff pool Critierias Pick 9 forwards ( as long as they are forwards LW=RW=C is okay) Pick 6 defensemen ( arrange them in a lines, 3 forwards and two defense = 1 line ( and arranged them in line order , which of your players would ( play in the first line and which plays in the second line Pick 1 designated playmaker ( can be any positions...try a defensemen ) Pick 1 designated scorer ( can be any positions ) Pick 1 goal-tender Pick a team ( the one you think may win the cup ) *note: players can only be chosen once ! ie Cannot have Sakic as forward and again as designated passer ----------------------------------------------------------------- Calculation of points: ( except for designated scorer and playmaker) 1 assist = 1 pt IXI 1 goal = 1 pt II ( for players in line 1, their pt totals will be *2 ) line 1 = pts * 2 line 2 = pts * 1.5 line 3 = pts * 1 1 win = 2 pt ( for goalies) The team that wins the Cup = 10 pts For the designated playmaker Designated Calculation will be as follows Scorer:Goal = 3 pts Every goal scored = 0.5 points Assists = 0.5 pts Every assists = 2 points In the event of a tie, the tie will be broken by unmodified Goal totals and then by game winning goals ----SAMPLE------------------------------------- eg designated scorer = Jeremy Roenick Actual: G=12, A=10, Pts=22 Modified G=(12*3) + A=(10*0.5) = 41 . designated playmaker = Steve Smith Actual: G=1, A=11, Pts=12 Modified G=(1*0.5) + A=(11*2) = 22.5 . line 1 = J Murphy(24)- G Courtnall(14)- M Messier(14) Dave Manson(12)- Iafrate(7) Total points = 142 points for that line! -- Internet: montana@pinetree.org (David Wong) UUCP: pinetree!montana Gordon's Pinetree -- Ottawa, ON, Canada -- +1 613 526 0702 -- v.32bis/v.42bis ";-1;0 "From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (Was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: Questions about ""non-initiated force"" Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 69 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article rcollins@encore.com writes: >In article <1993Apr15.164605.8439@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >|> ...you don't specify the means through which the government >|> is to be prevented from becoming the tool of business interests. As a >|> left-wing, big government, conventional liberal, I'm just as willing as >|> you are to vote against anti-competitive regulations that favor auto >|> dealers. >|> >|> But what I hear from libertarians is a desire to limit incumbents' terms, >|> to weaken government by eliminating its power to enforce antitrust laws, >|> and a desire to eliminate legislator's pay. Each strikes me as a >|> particularly ineffective way to insure that auto dealers and other special >|> interests cannot influence public policy. In fact, they seem clearly >|> designed to accomplish the opposite. > >...If government is not allowed to >use ""non-initiated force"" to achieve its goals, than no special interest >can influence the government to use non-initiated force on their behalf. Fine. Libertarians and anarchists are not alone in being uncomfortable with the use of state sponsored coercion. The notion that coercion can be virtually eliminated in a society (or more properly that once it is eliminated on the part of the state it is no longer worth serious consideration) is a view that is peculiar to libertarians and anarchists. For example, does ""non-initiated force"" (coercion) include tax collection? Does it include the minimal level of regulation of commerce envisioned by Adam Smith? Since coercion can be exercised by actors other than the state, how is the state to deal with it? Exclusively through after the fact arbitration/legal compulsion? > >The means to reaching such a restricted government is another topic >which I'll address briefly. It certainly won't happen until >libertarianism is the dominate philosophy. What means do we have to >make libertarianism the dominate philosophy? Statists run the education >monopoly, so we have to be creative. The Advocates for Self-Government >reports 85% of their Seminar 1 participants ""embrace"" libertarianism. >That's the best means I've seen yet. We should lobby for compulsory >Seminar 1 attendance. :) [in jest!] Well, I must admit that the picture of libertarians as Amway participants is somewhat more reassuring than the idea of them trying to govern a complex, conflictual, industrial society. I'd venture to point out, however, that if libertarians couldn't convince at least 85% of a group of ""seminar participants"" to ""embrace"" their philosophy, their propaganda skills need to be honed. Frankly, however, it is no great trick to create a government for a society in which (almost) everyone is assumed to agree about what is a proper government policy. Once that is assumed, all sorts of annoying formalities can be dispensed with, elections, police, etc. And as Mr. Marx said, the state will just wither away. On the way there, however, would you like to explain how eliminating virtually all policies that restrain private coercion in the current society will help us to live happier lives? Or is it like socialism; just some short-term pain that we'll have to bear until everyone has had the benefit of ""re-education"" through regular ""seminar"" training? jsh > >Roger Collins -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 ";-1;0 "From: klj@titan.ucs.umass.edu (KATHERINE L JEFFERS) Subject: MAC SE FORSALE Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 11 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu This is a repost of an earlier. Thanks to several of you for offering advise on realistic prices. MAC SE/ 2.5 megs ram, 20 meg hard disk, 800 K Floppy. In absolutely perfect condition. Includes Word 5, pagemaker, quark xpress, quicken and the latest versions of about a dozen other programs. Price: 475.00 ";-1;0 "From: lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) Subject: How do DI boxes work? Organization: ZikZak Corporation Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: oconnor.wpi.edu I'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct Input boxes for the keyboards. These are the little boxes that take a line level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run to the mixer. Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going to need like 5 or 10 of them! I looked inside one (belonging to another band) and it looks like just a transformer. Does anyone have any plans for building them? Perhaps in Anderton's ""Electronic Projects for Musicians"" book (which I am having a hell of a time tracking down...)? Thanks a lot! .s. PS: Post or email. I read this group... -- - lancer@wpi.wpi.edu - - 0{{ MoDiMiDoFrSaSo: - - Mein Kopf ist ein Labyrinth, mein Leben ist ein Minenfeld - ";-1;0 "From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: Baseball spreads? Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu In article <1993Apr18.225909.16116@colorado.edu> davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes: } How does one read the betting spreads for baseball? They tend to be something } like 8-9 which means it must not be runs! that spread means you bet $5 on the underdog to win $8, or $9 on the favorite to win $5. -*- charles ";14;1 "From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: none Lines: 52 Bob Van Cleef writes: If the Papacy is infallible, and this is a matter of faith, then the Pope cannot ""be wrong!"" If, on the other hand, this is not a matter of faith, but a matter of Church law, then we should still obey as the Pope is the legal head of the church. In other words, given the doctrine of infallibility, we have no choice but to obey. This is a primary problem in the Church today. What you are saying is more or less heresy. You might call it ""infallibilism"". It's the idea that the Pope is always right in everything he says or does. This is virtually all over the place, especially in this country. The Pope is only infallible under certain very specific and well-defined conditions. When these conditions are not met, he can make mistakes. He can make *big* mistakes. A couple historical examples come to mind. Bishop Robert Grosseteste was perhaps the greatest product of the English Catholic Church. At one point during his career, the reigning Pope decided to install one of his nephews in an English see. Bishop Grosseteste said that this would happen over his dead body (though maybe not in so many words; you have to treat Popes with respect, even when they are wrong). The problem was that this nephew would just collect the income of the see, and probably never set foot there. This would deprive the people of the see of a shepherd. Bishop Grosseteste was quite right in what he did! Another example is that of Pope John XXII, a Pope of the Middle Ages. He decided that souls that were saved did not enjoy the Beatific Vision until the Last Judgement. He decided that this should be a defined doctrine of the Church. Though he didn't quite get around to defining it. Now there's no way this is compatible with Catholic doctrine. The Pope's doctrine was criticised by many in the Church. He went so far as to put a number of his opponents in jail, even. In the end, he had to admit his mistake. Shortly before he died, he recanted. His successor made the exact *opposite* idea a dogma of the Church. If you consult any of the great Catholic theologians who treat of such subjects, such as St. Robert Bellarmine (a Doctor of the Church), you will find detailed discussions of whether the Pope can personally fall into heresy or schism. The teaching of all such theologians is that the commands of a Pope must be resisted if they are to the detriment of the Catholic Faith. A Pope's authority is given for the purpose of building up the Catholic Church. Commands in conflict with this purpose have no legal *or* moral force. ";-1;0 "From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post Lines: 15 Sender: Reply-To: harmons@gyro.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) Distribution: Organization: /usr/ens/etc/organization Keywords: >Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins >left to go left? :-) Or am I confusing two threads here? Unless they have been taught to ""neck rein"". Then the left rein is brought to bear on the left side of horse's neck to go right. Equestrian counter steering? ";-1;0 "From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) Subject: Re: Re-inventing Crypto Policy? An EFF Statement Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net In article <1993Apr16.204207.24564@eff.org> Danny Weitzner writes: >The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom >hold 40-bits of each key. I somehow started to doubt technical competence of the people who designed the system. Why on the Earth split the 80-bit key in 40-bit parts to keep them in escrow separately (having 40 bit and large volumes of data voice links produce it should be relatively easy to break it) when they simply could keep 80-bit sequences in N (N>=2) independent places and then XOR all the partial keys to get the actual key (N-1 sequences should obviously be selected randomly and Nth is the actual key XOR-ed with the random sequences). (Or is it a conspiracy? 1/2 :-) --vadim ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: ...) Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr14.132813.16343@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote: > Anyhow, on the basis of the apparent success of Islamic banks, it seems > to me that the statement that a zero-interest economy cannot survive in > today's world may be a bit premature. I'm sure zero-intested economical systems survive on a small-scale, co-ops is not an Islamic invention, and we have co-operatives working all around the world. However such systems don't stand the corruption of a large scale operation. Actually, nothing could handle human greed, IMHO. Not even Allah :-). Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) Subject: Re: Bhagavad-Gita 2.32 Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC Lines: 79 Kalki Dasa writes: >These topics are all discussed in the Vedas. In fact, the original >knowledge of all these topics comes from the Vedas. Therefore, they are >not ""newage"" at all. They are rather old by any standards. Nor is the >popularity they are currently experiencing something new. One would >think that the Vedas would be very popular among ""newagers,"" since all >the things you mention above are thoroughly described in them. Isn't that interesting?! In the Jewish tradition you are incredibly wrong! They originate in the Torah and with Jewish ancestors, specifically the Patriarch Abraham (z""l). That knowledge was sent East to India and China when Abraham gave ""gifts"" (the commentators to Jewish scripture say this was the knowledge of the occult arts) to all the rest of his children when he sent them away to the East. This assured that Isaac only, who remained with Abraham, would inherit his most important spiritual gifts, what eventually became Judaism. So you see, other religions can have very parochial views too. By the Jewish view, you are very mistaken, your scripture are not scripture, your gods are not gods, your practices a jumble of errors that lead people to idol worship and away from God. That doesn't stop us from respecting you to the extent of not trying to convert you or proselytize you and being willing to dialog in a respectful manner. We're content to let you live the way you care to live as long as you leave us be. We are happy to co-exist as long as you give us the same right. But your incredible rudeness and violent nature seems to preclude that. Too bad. Is this typical of your religion? >However, there is one difference between the ""newage"" practitioner and >the actual follower of the Vedic teachings: the typical ""newager"" >desires to acquire all the material powers and opulences mentioned in >the Vedas, without referring to their source, the Lord. He wants the >kingdom of God without God. He wants personal power without the >responsibility of acknowledging its source, without the Person from Whom >that power comes. In other words, he is just plain selfish. You are a most presumptuous fellow! How dare you presume that the ""typical"" New Ager doesn't acknowledge God and is selfish. What trite, self-righteous, ego-ful garbage! There are Buddhists, Christians, Jews, and those of many other religions here on this newsgroups for whom your words are simple slander. > ...The Vedic >follower, on the other hand, knows that no matter what one desires, one >must worship God. And the Vedas give a complete description of exactly >who is God, so that there can be no mistake in His identification. For >this reason the parts of the Vedas that deal directly with the >Personality of Godhead are not very popular among ""newagers,"" and anyone >who presents the complete Vedas as they are is branded as an >""evangelist"" (as if there is something wrong with that) even though he >is simply presenting the unadulterated Vedic teachings. Of course, from the Jewish perspective you are incredibly wrong. We'd say that there is no ""godhead"" -- just created beings who may be enjoying a good laugh at your expense. >A thief takes from others and says ""this is mine."" A ""newager"" takes >from God and says ""this is mine."" Such a false mystic must be careful to >avoid coming in contact with the real owner of the things he has stolen. >Consequently, he invents an explanation for these things that >conveniently omits the identity of their owner, the Lord. In other >words, he lies about where he got them. So not only are we selfish, we are also thieves and liars! And you expect any of us to pay attention to you and your ""religion?"" Why not call us more name? Maybe then we'll all convert in gratefullness! >However, the Lord is very merciful, and He sends His servants to remind >the ""newager"" of his own identity as spirit soul, the eternal servant of >God. Hence, although unwanted, the ""evangelist"" continues to broadcast >the complete truth. You delude yourself. -- Len Moskowitz moskowit@panix.com ";-1;0 "From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Re: Desertification of the Negev Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1483500361:cdp:1483500365:000:272 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 26 17:41:00 1993 Lines: 10 Danhy, As you think Bedouin will be surprised by the posted article, I would be happy to have some feedback from Bedouin readers, if you will. I cannot judge the accuracy of the article, but assumes that it is no fabrication. Any critical review would be helpful. Elias ";-1;0 "From: dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?) Organization: VideOcart Inc. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 23 : >> The death penalty was conceived as a deterrent to crime, but the legal : >> shenanigans that have been added (automatic appeals, lengthy court : >> battles, etc.) have relegated that purpose to a very small part of what : >> it should be. Hence the question is, do we instate the death penalty as : >> it was meant to be, and see if that deters crime, or do we get rid of : >> it entirely? I doubt the death penalty was supposed to be a ""deterrent"" to crime. If so, why doesn't every crime carry a death penalty ? That would be effictive wouldn't it ??? The death penalty is a punishment, much like a $50 fine for speeding is a punishment. Anyway, somebody with murder on the mind doesn't much care about the consequences. I think another problem is that people dont think they will get caught. If I wanted to kill another person, I wouldn't care what the penalty was if I didn't think I would get caught. If it was to be strictly a deterrent, it should have been more along the lines of torture. Dave Fuller dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? From: Aengus Lawlor Distribution: usa Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 36 In article , paladin@world.std.com (Thomas G Schlatter) says: > >In article <1993Apr24.062055.7123@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael >Panayiotakis) writes: >>> >>> >>>>BEGIN ----------------------- CUT HERE --------------- >>>>begin 666 ntreal.bmp >>>>M0DTV5P< #8$ H ( , %@"" ! @ >>>>M $ ! @@P![( @ ""!A> #!_F #CD ,56# #D. !=>_D >>>>M4PA: &4H@P""L,1 $U); &N+L0 ($!@ +4WA !,J.0 B/%H 9TJ3 $KKZP 0 >>>>M,;, TD4I /ZGB0!)#UH (0A. ""6E@ I !@ 4B!I "" ! !BBZX #!E1 )BV >>> >>>Deleted a lot of stuff!!!!!!! >>>How do you convert this to a bit map??? >> >>You're supposed to delete everything above the ""cut here"" mark, and >>below the lower cut here mark, and uudecode it. but >>*I was not able to: unexpected end of file encountered at the last line. >> >>could you please re-post it, or tell be what I'm doing wrong? > >Sounds like the original poster of the bitmap uuencoded the file >on a DOS machine, and you tried to uudecode it on a Un*x machine, and your >uudecode program balked at the carraige-returns. Well, my newsreader shows the UUE file as having lots of spaces, which means it's broken before I even try to download it. Did anyone get it to uudecode successfully? Aengus -- RBYAML@ROHMHAAS.COM Aengus Lawlor RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET (who used to be ALAWLOR@DIT.IE) ""How about some of that famous Dublin wit, Barman?"" ""Certainly, sir. Would that be Dry or Sparkling?"" ";-1;0 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Panther's President Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 20 In article <0P6a3B1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Jim Gorycki) writes: > >A little Bio from _Sun-Sentinel_ >Torrey, the architect of four consecutive Stanley Cup champions as >persident and general manager of the New York Islanders. >Throughout his 27 years in the NHL, Bill Torrey's bow ties have become >as much of a signature as Andre Agassi's hair. > >The Panthers will introduce a uniform, insignia, and ticket-price >information in early next month. In the meantime, Huizenga leaves the >day-to-day operation in the hands of Torrey and Bob Clarke, the VP and >GM. > The San Jose Sharks and Ottawa Senators are each on their second GM already...I'd be willing to wager that both the Sharks and Senators will probably see their 3rd GM's and perhaps their 4th, before we see the Panthers second. Gerald ";-1;0 "From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 12 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: > It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for > individuals to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. False, as federal courts have affirmed on many occasions. This is getting out of sci.crypt territory, though... Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation ";-1;0 "From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: bailey.cpac.washington.edu In-reply-to: Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu's message of 20 Apr 1993 18:43:14 GMT In article Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (Pegasus) writes: > In article , > joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) wrote: > > In article > > Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (LaurieEWBrandt) writes: > LEWB>> Lets add to those percentages 13-15% for the Orphaic docterians > brought LEWB>>to the group by Paul/Saul who was a high ranking initiate. On > the LEWB>>development of Orphaic Mysteries, see Jane Harrisons .Prolegomena > to the LEWB>>study of Greek religion. Cambridge U Press 1922. and you can > easly draw LEWB>>your own conclusions. > josh> perhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument? > Love to,but I must do it a bit later My copy of Harrison in packed, but the > last chapter as best as I can rember deals with Orphic mysteries and their > views of women though she does not come out and say it it is strongly > implyed that the Christian view was drawn heavly from the Orphic and other > Major cults of the time. I would really appreciate if when someone brought something like this up they didn't back out when someone asked for details. have a day, josh ";-1;0 "From: bob@nntp.crl.com (Bob Ames) Subject: Re: UNIX PC Software for sale Organization: CRL Internet Dialup Access (415-389-UNIX login: guest) Lines: 1 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com ";-1;0 "From: boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert) Subject: Removing Distortion From Bitmapped Drawings? Organization: SCTC Lines: 47 Let's say you have a scanned image of a line drawing; in this case a boat, but it could be anything. On the drawing you have a set of reference points whose true x,y positions are known. Now you digitize the drawing manually (in this case, using Yaron Danon's excellent Digitize program). That is, you use a program which converts cursor positions to x,y and saves those values when you click the mouse. Upon digitizing you notice that the reference point values that come out of the digitizing process differ in small but significant ways from the known true values. This is understandable because the scanned drawing is a reproduction of the original and there are successive sources of distortion such as differential expansion and contraction of paper, errors introduced in the printing process, scanner errors and what have you. The errors are not uniform over the entire drawing, so ""global"" adjustments such as stretching/contracting uniformly over x or y, or rotating the whole drawing, are not satisfactory. So the question is: does any kind soul know of an algorithm for removing such distortion? In particular, if I have three sets of points Reference(x,y) (the known true values) DistortedReference(x,y) (the same points, with known errors) DistortedData(x,y) (other points, with unknown errors) what function of Reference and Distorted could I apply to DistortedData to remove the errors. I suspect the problem could be solved by treating the distorted reference points as resulting from the projection of a ""bumpy"" 3d surface, solving for the surface and then ""flattening"" it to remove the errors in the other data points. Any kind and informed soul out there have any ideas, or better yet, pointers to treatments of the same or similar problems? Thanks, Earl ";-1;0 "From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen) Subject: BRAKE ROTORS..CROSS DRILLING...1-312-702-8323 Organization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics Distribution: na Lines: 1 ";-1;0 "From: chris1@donner.cc.bellcore.com (ross,christina l) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Distribution: usa Keywords: bad drivers Lines: 44 In article <9595@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim) writes: > >In article <1993Apr14.140642.19875@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes: > >anybody is going anywhere. So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own > >good , but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it. > > Ah, we are looking for good people just like you. We are a very concerned > group of citizens who are absolutely disgusted at the way that the majority > of drivers simply disobey traffic rules like going above the speed limit, > passing on our right, and riding our tails, while all the while we respectfully > abide by the rules of this great country and maintain the mandated speed > limits with our calibrated, certified cruise controls, while keeping the > respectful 1.5 car length distance/10 mph speed. How many times have you been > ticked off by some moron who jumps ahead in the (5.5 * 1.5)8.25 car lengths > that you have left between you and the vehicle ahead of you while driving > 55 mph? Finally you have an option. We are a totally member supported group > that perform functions for our own good, for the good of this great country but MOST of all for those unfortunate ones that are too stupid to realize it, > bless their souls. For a paltry $10, you can join Citizens for Rationally > Advanced Piloting(C.R.A.P), a non-profit, members only, society. But, but,but, > there is a slight hitch, the initiation rite. To be a full fledged member of > this exclusive club, you must proof that you are able to be in the fast lane of > the busiest interstate in your area, keep the correct 1.5 car lenth/10 mph speedand I know this can be difficult with those morons around, NOT let anybody pass > you, not in the next lane, not in the slow lane, not in the breakdown lane, > not NOWHERE. For a complete list of acceptable interstates and times, send $5. > And by the way, over 90% of our members are highly regarded attorneys in the > auto field and they are completely, absolutely positively in the business ONLY > to serve your best interests. As a testament to their virtues, they will give > members 90% off the initial consultation fee. Feel free to drop me a line at > your earliest convenience and remember, only SPEED kills! > > Jit > > > > Of course you are a bunch of arrogant lawyers who know whats best for the rest of us. You are doing such a wonderful job with our judicial system, getting all the criminals off, I bow to your superior intellect. Not to mention the fees you collect from us poor slobs who get tickets from speeding State Police officers, so you can soak is when we go to court. I just love lawyer jokes! Don't you? C. ";10;1 "From: sti@cs.hut.fi (Sami-Jaakko Tikka) Subject: Re: finding out state of state keys (eg, CapsLock and NumLock) Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab Lines: 23 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: tahma.cs.hut.fi In <9304211637.AA03386@blue.arbortext.com> rps@arbortext.COM (Ralph Seguin) writes: >My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state >of CapsLock and/or NumLock is? I don't know any way except to see what modifiers are on in th Keypress event. Of course if there is some reason why you need to always know the state of modifiers even if your windows don't have the keyborads focus you can always ask for KeyPress events from the root window. Then you get all the KeyPresses and you always know what have been pressed. >An even more pointed question: Is there an easy means of making an X >keyboard act like a PC keyboard? ie, CapsLock is active, and the user >presses shift-a, I'd like to get a lowercase 'a' instead of 'A'. I think this is just a question of how to implement XLookupString. You can always write another function that interprets the KeyPresses as you like. You can look at the implementation of XLookupString from the Xlib sources and then modify it a little bit. -- Sami.Tikka@hut.fi | /G=Sami/S=Tikka/O=hut/ADMD=fumail/C=fi/ ""Live Long and Prosper!"" ";-1;0 "From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign Chief Resigns for Health Reasons Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , xrcjd@mudpuppy.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) writes... >Writer Kathy Sawyer reported in today's Washington Post that Joseph Shea, the >head of the space station redesign has resigned for health reasons. > >Shea was hospitalized shortly after his selection in February. He returned >yesterday to lead the formal presentation to the independent White House panel. >Shea's presentation was rambling and almost inaudible. I missed the presentations given in the morning session (when Shea gave his ""rambling and almost inaudible"" presentation), but I did attend the afternoon session. The meeting was in a small conference room. The speaker was wired with a mike, and there were microphones on the table for the panel members to use. Peons (like me) sat in a foyer outside the conference room, and watched the presentations on closed circuit TV. In general, the sound system was fair to poor, and some of the other speakers (like the committee member from the Italian Space Agency) also were ""almost inaudible."" Shea didn't ""lead the formal presentation,"" in the sense of running or guiding the presentation. He didn't even attend the afternoon session. Vest ran the show (President of MIT, the chair of the advisory panel). > >Shea's deputy, former astronaut Bryan O'Connor, will take over the effort. Note that O'Connor has been running the day-to-day operations of the of the redesign team since Shea got sick (which was immediately after the panel was formed). ";-1;0 "From: mtf@vipunen.hut.fi (Antti Lahelma) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 40 In atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: > Hello, > I have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on the >newsgroup, and I think that they can be used to explain each other. >Unfortunately I don't have direct quotes handy... >1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever. More correctly: when people die, they cease to exist. >2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death > is unfair. > I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, >eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. The idea I've gotten is that to christians, Hell is -- like Heaven -- afterlife; i.e, you don't cease to exist, but are subjected to eternal torture (well, that's the orthodox idea anyway; ""eternal death"" if you prefer that). Atheists don't believe in any sort of afterlife. > Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since >the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. Personally, I don't think >that people in Hell will be thrust into flame any more than I expect to Jesus >with a double-edged sword issuing from his mouth--I treat both these state- >ments as metaphorical. I think it's safe to say that Hell was never intended metaphorical. Certainly not the equivalent of ceasing to exist. Some christian concepts are indeed metaphors, but your idea of Hell is a 20th century interpretation. It is, of course, nice to see that even christianity might evolve to fit the worldview of modern age, but I fear the church will not accept it. Understandably, per- haps, because if you accept that Hell is a metaphor, then you're one step closer to turning God into a metaphor as well. -- Antti Lahelma | mtf@saha.hut.fi | GNOTHI SEAUTON Lehtotie 3 -O- stel@purkki.apu.fi -*- ====== ======= 00630 HELSINKI | <> | TUNNE ITSESI ";17;1 "From: pfc@jungle.genrad.com (Paul F. Cappucci) Subject: Seagate Hard Drive Forsale Organization: GenRad, Inc. Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: jungle.genrad.com Brand new never been used Seagate ST351 A/X 40meg hard drive forsale. Paid $135 (includes mounting brackets). I bought it and then ended up buying a new computer. BRO takes it. ";-1;0 "From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) Subject: Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!! In-Reply-To: 's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:50:02 EDT Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 12 In <93106.155002JSN104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: Who cares what the fellow wrote anyway? I mean, it came from PSUVM, so how could it possibly have been of any importance? ===== (disperse smileys until no longer offended) -- Disclaimer? ""It's great to be young and insane!"" ";-1;0 "From: Bill.Kayser@delft.SGp.slb.COM (Bill Kayser) Subject: Re: gadgets vs widgets Article-I.D.: parsival.199304060609.AA00309 Organization: The Internet Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > > > Motif managers take a very simplistic approach to the way they handle events > > for gadgets: they track for all events(such as Motion Notify) wether or not > > the gadget expresses interest in the events. As a result, gadgets typically > > generate a great deal more network traffic. Those with X terminals might find > > a noticable network performance drop as a result. > > > > Really? What's the point using Gadgets then? > > It is a case of memory vs. network performance tradeoff. Gadgets > save both client and server memory. But memory is easily expandable while > network performance is not, so if I were designing Motif I would > at least make it *possible* to avoid using gadgets. At present you > really don't have a choice because Motif forces you to use gadgets > in menus and in various other places. > > Adrian Nye > O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. I've been using the XmGraph widget that's been floating around and I noticed the performance is significantly better using Gadgets, perhaps even 100% faster. I had heard in an old programming course that gadgets were no longer any benefit to performance, and that it's just as well to use widgets everywhere. So why would ~50 pushbutton gadgets be a lot quicker than 50 pushbuttons in the graph? Should I start putting gadgets back into my long pulldown menus? XmGraph manages children connected by XmArc widgets in a directed network type graph with automatic layout capability. Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Schlumberger Geco-Prakla Internet : kayser@delft.sgp.slb.com ";-1;0 " howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!mcsun!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!tubsibr!dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de!I3150101 Subject: Re: Gospel Dating From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 35 In article <66015@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: (Deletion) >I cannot see any evidence for the V. B. which the cynics in this group would >ever accept. As for the second, it is the foundation of the religion. >Anyone who claims to have seen the risen Jesus (back in the 40 day period) >is a believer, and therefore is discounted by those in this group; since >these are all ancients anyway, one again to choose to dismiss the whole >thing. The third is as much a metaphysical relationship as anything else-- >even those who agree to it have argued at length over what it *means*, so >again I don't see how evidence is possible. > No cookies, Charlie. The claims that Jesus have been seen are discredited as extraordinary claims that don't match their evidence. In this case, it is for one that the gospels cannot even agree if it was Jesus who has been seen. Further, there are zillions of other spook stories, and one would hardly consider others even in a religious context to be some evidence of a resurrection. There have been more elaborate arguments made, but it looks as if they have not passed your post filtering. >I thus interpret the ""extraordinary claims"" claim as a statement that the >speaker will not accept *any* evidence on the matter. It is no evidence in the strict meaning. If there was actual evidence it would probably be part of it, but the says nothing about the claims. Charlie, I have seen Invisible Pink Unicorns! By your standards we have evidence for IPUs now. Benedikt ";-1;0 "From: mauaf@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr P D Simmons) Subject: Why religion and which religion? Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK Lines: 46 My family has never been particularly religious - singing Christmas carols is about the limit for them. Thus I've never really believed in God and heaven, although I don't actually believe that they don't exist either - I'm sort of undecided, probably like a lot of people I guess. Lately I've been thinking about it all a lot more, and I wondered how religious people can be so convinced that there is a God. I feel as though I want to believe, but I'm not used to believing things without proof - just as I can't believe that there definitely isn't a God, so I can't definitely believe that there is. I wondered if most of you were brought up by religious families and never believed any different. Can anyone help me to understand how your belief and faith in God can be so strong. Another question that frequently crosses my mind is which religion is correct?? How do you choose a religion, and how do you know that the Christian God exists and the Gods of other religions don't?? How do you feel about people who follow other religions?? How about atheists?? And people like me - agnostics I suppose. Do you respect their religion, and accept their beliefs as just as valid as your own?? Isn't there contradiction between the religions?? How can your religion be more valid than any others?? Do you have less respect for someone if they're not religious, or if they follow a different religion than you would if they were Christian?? Also, how much of the scriptures are correct?? Are all events in the bible really supposed to have happened, or are they just supposed to be stories with morals showing a true Christian how to behave?? I generally follow most of the Christian ideas, which I suppose are fairly universal throughout all religions - not killing, stealing, etc, and 'Loving my neighbour' for want of a better expression. The only part I find hard is the actual belief in God. Finally, what is God's attitude to people like me, who don't quite believe in Him, but are generally fairly 'good' people. Surely not believing doesn't make me a worse person?? If not, I find myself wondering why I so strongly want to really believe, and to find a religion. Sorry if I waffled on a bit - I was just writing ideas as they came into my head. I'm sure I probably repeated myself a bit too. Thanks for the help, Paul Simmons [There's been enough discussion about evidence for Christianity recently that you may prefer to respond to this via email rather than as a posting. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: amit@aryeh.uchicago.edu (Yali Amit) Subject: Problems with Open Windows Organization: Dept. of Statistics Lines: 22 After having OpenWindows (Version 3 for SunOS 4.1) or Xwindows running continuously on my machine for 3-4 days, the following message appears when trying to open a new window, or to run any program that needs to open windows. XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0.0 (Server package) I would greatly appreciate any suggestions to solve this problem. Yali Amit Department of Statistics University of Chicago Chicago IL 60615 ";-1;0 "From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! (NOT!) Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. <1993Apr16.181605.15072@ra.royalroads.ca> Lines: 28 In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.181605.15072@ra.royalroads.ca>, >mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: >> This brings up another question I still have to ponder: why is there so >> much anti-Semitism? Why do people hate Jews? I don't hate Jews. I consider >> them to be like anyone else, sinners we all are. >I don't know, I don't care about ethnical rights and wrongs myself, >but it's evident that Christians consider Jews no longer to be the >sole selected group of God's people -- while Jews consider this to >be the case. Christian anti-Semitism comes from the obvious fact that the Jews should know the Hebrew Scriptures better than anyone else, yet they did not convert to Christianity en mass, thus rejecting ""Christian Love."" >No wonder this caused anti-Semitism. One might even >wonder that if Christianity didn't do this separation, would anti-Semitism >have even started? I don't see why not. Where are the rest of the tribal people? What happened to the tribes of the Americas? Culture is seen as different and undesirable in the West, particular in the US with its failed ""melting pot concept."" Most tribes have been hunted to extinction, the Hebrew tribe is one of the few survivers from the Neolithic. Of course it becomes difficult at times to separate Christianity from the Western experience, so perhaps you are right, perhaps it would have been a better world if the cultural experiment in Christianity never happened. ";-1;0 "From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: Shipping costs Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 71 In article <1pd24e$745@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, kxj6@po.CWRU.Edu (Kijin Jung) writes: |> |> In a previous article, tomc@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Tom Carlino) says: |> |> >Recently I bought a musical instrument through the internet and had |> >it shipped to me via UPS ground. The shipping was done through a |> >mail box service, Mailboxes, Etc. Being somewhat surprised at the |> >price, I compared prices of shipping this way to shipping directly |> >through UPS and this is a summary. I am not making any endorsements |> >or condemnations but merely presenting the facts from which you may |> >draw your own conclusions. |> > |> |> I've encountered the same thing with Mailboxes, Etc. and I suggest |> anyone to use the original UPS service if at all possible. Shipping |> to Virginia from Cleveland was around $20 for 12 pounds, and C.O.D. |> was $8.00, as opposed to $4.50 for UPS. I'll third the opinion about this outfit/franchise. Now, when I buy over the net and pick up the shipping costs, I'll specify that I only pick up the normal UPS charges (as if delivered directly to UPS), as I've been burned by $10 shipping charges for a $2.49 pkg. I will never use a mailing service unless I don't have the right box and the buyer needs whatever IMMEDIATELY. I'll also tell the person, if they agreed to pick up shipping, what is going on. Other things to watch out for/consider: The rates are $5 to $30 higher than UPS direct. For a non-UPS (truck) package, they quoted a rate of $85. Fed Ex economy air was only $85 for the same weight! RPS (a trucking package company, in many cities) only wanted $18. Guess who got it. The Mailbox operator told me I was not telling the truth about competitors' rates, said RPS was unreliable (I've used them before with NO problems), etc. Right. A COD check goes to the mailing service. Our local Mailbox then takes its sweet time mailing me the remade check. All this for an additional $3.00 over the UPS COD charge. What a deal.... :-) For packages over $100, they charge you about double over what UPS charges them for insurance. I've never had a claim, but other netters (is Ralph Seguin out there?) have told horror stories about them... All package traces have to be done through Mailbox by Mailbox. Our local Mailbox operator told me I was lying when I asked him why their rates were stratospheric compared to direct UPS. Does he ever check? Probably not... Their UPS ground rates come close to Fed Ex's economy air rate, and Fed Ex will pick up! UPS will pick up for a $5 charge in most areas! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) ";-1;0 "From: marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Kevin Marshall) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 72 NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu Keywords: Dan Bissell bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would >die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People >gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing >someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did >heal people. Anyone who dies for a ""cause"" runs the risk of dying for a lie. As for people being able to tell if he was a liar, well, we've had grifters and charlatans since the beginning of civilization. If David Copperfield had been the Messiah, I bet he could have found plenty of believers. Jesus was hardly the first to claim to be a faith healer, and he wasn't the first to be ""witnessed."" What sets him apart? > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn >to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example >anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see >this right away. Rubbish. Nations have followed crazies, liars, psychopaths, and megalomaniacs throughout history. Hitler, Tojo, Mussolini, Khomeini, Qadaffi, Stalin, Papa Doc, and Nixon come to mind...all from this century. Koresh is a non-issue. > Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the >real thing. Take a discrete mathematics or formal logic course. There are flaws in your logic everywhere. And as I'm sure others will tell you, read the FAQ! > Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in >the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal >and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I >write I will use it. Of course, you have to believe the Bible first. Just because something is written in the Bible does not mean it is true, and the age of that tome plus the lack of external supporting evidence makes it less credible. So if you do quote from the Bible in the future, try to back up that quote with supporting evidence. Otherwise, you will get flamed mercilessly. > I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It >is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it >should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's >sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the >same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives >over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a >real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But >just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes >time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. >It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in >a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this >time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be >carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for >ourselves. Just like weight lifting or guitar playing, eh? I don't know how you define the world ""total,"" but I would imagine a ""total sacrafice [sp] of everything for God's sake"" would involve more than a time commitment. You are correct about our tendency to ""box everything into time units."" Would you explain HOW one should involove God in sports and (hehehe) television? -- --- __ _______ --- ||| Kevin Marshall \ \/ /_ _/ Computer Science Department ||| ||| Virginia Tech \ / / / marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu ||| --- Blacksburg, Virginia \/ /_/ (703) 232-6529 --- ";-1;0 "From: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin) Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Reply-To: oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin) Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 69 In article <1993Apr19.234534.18368@kpc.com>, henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: > In article , oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin) writes: > |> > |> ..[cancellum]... > |> > |> > |> > > Onur Yalcin] Secondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled > Onur Yalcin] as Cyprus has never been Greek, but rather, it has been home to > Onur Yalcin] a bi-communal society formed of Greeks and Turks. It seems that > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > Onur Yalcin] you know as little about the history and the demography of the > Onur Yalcin] island, as you know about the essence of Turkey's > Onur Yalcin] military intervention to it under international agreements. > > bi-communal society ? Then why DID NOT Greece INVADE CYPRUS ? Henrik (?), Your ignorance manifests itself in an awkward form of intransigence. I'm not going to spend time to review with you the recent history of Cyprus. If you are really interested, I can provide you with a number of references on the issue. Just send me EMail for that. > > Onur Yalcin] Be that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in > Onur Yalcin] history and what is going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only > Onur Yalcin] be drawn with the expansionist policy that Armenia is now > pursuing. > > Buch of CRAP and you know it. Nagarno-Karabagh has ALWAYS been PART > of ARMENIA and it was STALIN who GAVE IT to the AZERIS. Go back and > review the HISTORY. > > The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS > to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their > teritory. > > Onur Yalcin] But, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to > Onur Yalcin] the political conduct of countries, and promulgate them in such > Onur Yalcin] terminology as ""itchy-bitchy""... > > I was not the one that STATED IT. > Relax! You're swinging fists into open air... I was *agreeing* with you, assuming that would be one of your points that you did not state! You may not be very much used to it, to be agreed with - that is, but take it more easily. !:-) > However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane > to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one No, Henrik, believe me: You don't hope that. > that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane > (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. > Was that after or before one French plane changed its route to avoid inspection??? -- Onur Yalcin oyalcin@iastate.edu ""Un punto in piu`"" ";15;1 "From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (BCG) Subject: Re: Knowing God's Will Organization: uwcc Lines: 20 Hi, I don't know much about Bible. Could you tell me the relations of Christians with non-Christians in Bible? How should be The relations of christian nations with each other and the relations of Christian nations with other nations who are not Christians? The other question is about the concept of religion in Bible. Does the religion of God include and necessitate any law to be extracted from Bible or is the religion only a belief and nothing to do with the government sides? If for example, any government or a nation is one of the wrongdoings according to Bible, how should they be treated? Is there any statement in Bible saying that Bible is a guide for every aspects of life? Thank you. Beytullah ";-1;0 "From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) Subject: Re: Insurance discount Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: palm21 Organization: Cray Research Inc, Eagan, MN X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Erik Asphaug x2773 (asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu) wrote: : Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount. They : do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of Progressive offers multi-vehicle discounts. Good prices too IMHO. tony -- Tony Jones (ant@cray.com, ..!uunet!cray!ant) CMCS Codegeneration Group, Software Division Cray Research Inc, 655F Lone Oak Drive, Eagan, MN 55121 ";-1;0 "From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis) Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 1/5 Summary: useful information about the X Window System Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address) Organization: VISUAL, Inc. Expires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT Lines: 938 Archive-name: x-faq/part1 Last-modified: 1993/04/04 This article and several following contain the answers to some Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) often seen in comp.windows.x. It is posted to help reduce volume in this newsgroup and to provide hard-to-find information of general interest. Please redistribute this article! This article includes answers to the following questions, which are loosely grouped into categories. Questions marked with a + indicate questions new to this issue; those with significant changes of content since the last issue are marked by !: 0) TOPIC: BASIC INFORMATION SOURCES AND DEFINITIONS 1)! What books and articles on X are good for beginners? 2)! What courses on X and various X toolkits are available? 3)! What conferences on X are coming up? 4) What X-related public mailing lists are available? 5) How can I meet other X developers? 6) What related FAQs are available? 7) How do I ask a net-question so as to maximize helpful responses? 8) What publications discussing X are available? 9) What are these common abbreviations/acronyms? 10) What is the ICCCM? (How do I write X-friendly applications?) 11) What is the X Consortium, and how do I join? 12) Just what are OPEN LOOK and Motif? 13) Just what is OpenWindows? 14) Just what is DECWindows? 15) What is PEX? 16) What is ""low-bandwidth X"" (LBX)? XRemote? PPP? SLIP? CSLIP? 17) TOPIC: USING X IN DAY-TO-DAY LIFE 18)! What are all these different window managers? 19) Why does my X session exit when I kill my window manager (sic)? 20) Can I save the state of my X session, like toolplaces does? 21) How do I use another window manager with DEC's session manager? 22) How do I change the keyboard auto-repeat rate? 23) How do I remap the keys on my keyboard to produce a string? 24)! How do I make a screendump or print my application? 25) How do I make a color PostScript screendump of the X display? 26) How do I make a screendump including the X cursor? 27) How do I convert/view Mac/TIFF/GIF/Sun/PICT/img/FAX images in X? 28) How can I change the titlebar of my xterm window? 29) Where can I find the xterm control sequences? 30)- Why does the R3 xterm, et al, fail against the R4 server? 31) How can I use characters above ASCII 127 in xterm ? 32) Why are my xterm menus so small? 33) How can I print the current selection? 34) How does Xt use environment variables in loading resources? 35) How to I have the R4 xdm put a picture behind the log-in window? 36) Why isn't my PATH set when xdm runs my .xsession file? 37) How do I keep my $DISPLAY when I rlogin to another machine? 38) How can I design my own font? 39) Why does adding a font to the server not work (sic)? 40) How do I convert a "".snf"" font back to "".bdf"" font? 41) What is a general method of getting a font in usable format? 42) How do I use DECwindows fonts on my non-DECwindows server? 43) How do I add "".bdf"" fonts to my DECwindows server? 44)! How can I set backgroundPixmap in a defaults file? (What is XPM?) 45) Why can't I override translations? Only the first item works. 46) How can I have xclock or oclock show different timezones? 47) I have xmh, but it doesn't work. Where can I get MH? 48) Why am I suddenly unable to connect to my Sun X server? 49) Why don't the R5 PEX demos work on my mono screen? 50)! How do I get my Sun Type-[45] keyboard fully supported by Xsun? 51) How do I report bugs in X? 52) Why do I get ""Warning: Widget class version mismatch""? 53) Where can I find a dictionary server for xwebster? 54) TOPIC: OBTAINING X AND RELATED SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE 55) Is X public-domain software? 56) How compatible are X11R3, R4, and R5? What changes are there? 57)! Where can I get X11R5 (source and/or binaries)? 58)! Where can I get patches to X11R5? 59) What is the xstuff mail-archive? 60)! Where can I get X11R4 (source and binaries)? 61) Where can I get OSF/Motif? 62) Does Motif work with X11R4? X11R5? 63) Where can I get toolkits implementing OPEN LOOK? 64)! Where can I get other X sources? (including R5 modifications) 65)! Where can I get interesting widgets? 66) Where can I get a good file-selector widget? 67) What widget is appropriate to use as a drawing canvas? 68) What is the current state of the world in X terminals? 69) Where can I get an X server with a touchscreen or lightpen? 70) Where can I get an X server on a PC (DOS or Unix)? 71) Where can I get an X server on a Macintosh running MacOS? 72) Where can I get X for the Amiga? 73) Where can I get a fast X server for a workstation? 74)! Where can I get a server for my high-end Sun graphics board? 75) Where can I get an ""X terminal"" server for my low-end Sun 3/50? 76) What terminal emulators other than xterm are available? 77)! Where can I get an X-based editor or word-processor? 78) Where can I get an X-based mailer? 79)! Where can I get an X-based paint/draw program? 80)! Where can I get an X-based plotting program? 81) Where can I get an X-based spreadsheet? 82) Where can I get X-based project-management software? 83) Where can I get an X-based PostScript previewer? 84) Where can I get an X-based GKS package? 85) Where can I get an X-based PEX package? 86) Where can I get an X-based TeX or DVI previewer? 87) Where can I get an X-based troff previewer? 88)! Where can I get a WYSIWYG interface builder? 89) Where can I find X tools callable from shell scripts? 90) Where can I get an X-based debugger? 91)! How can I ""tee"" an X program identically to several displays? 92) TOPIC: BUILDING THE X DISTRIBUTION [topic needs updating to R5] 93) What's a good source of information on configuring the X build? 94) Why doesn't my Sun with a cg6 work with R5? 95) Why doesn't my Sun with SunOS 4.1 know about _dlsym, etc.? 96) What is this strange problem building X clients on SunOS 4.1.2? 97) Why can't gcc compile X11R4 on my SPARC? 98) What are these I/O errors running X built with gcc? 99) What are these problems compiling X11R4 on the older Sun3? 100) What are these problems compiling the X server on SunOS 4.1.1? 101) What are these problems using R4 shared libraries on SunOS 4? 102) Can OLIT programs run with R5 Xt? (_XtQString undefined) 103) How do I get around the SunOS 4.1 security hole? 104) How do I get around the frame-buffer security hole? 105) TOPIC: BUILDING X PROGRAMS 106) What is Imake? 107) Where can I get imake? 108) I have a program with an Imakefile but no Makefile. What to do? 109) Why can't I link to the Xlib shape routines? 110) What are these problems with ""_XtInherit not found"" on the Sun? 111) Why can't I compile my R3 Xaw contrib programs under the new X? 112) TOPIC: PROGRAMMING PROBLEMS AND PUZZLES 113) Why doesn't my program get the keystrokes I select for (sic)? 114) How do I figure out what window manager is running? 115) Is there a skeleton X program available? 116) Why does XtGetValues not work for me (sic)? 117) Why don't XtConfigureWidget/XtResizeWidget/XtMoveWidget work? 118) Why isn't there an XtReparentWidget call like XReparentWindow? 119) I'm writing a widget and can't use a float as a resource value. 120) Is this a memory leak in the X11R4 XtDestroyWidget()?! 121) Are callbacks guaranteed to be called in the order registered? 122) Why doesn't XtDestroyWidget() actually destroy the widget? 123) How do I query the user synchronously using Xt? 124) How do I determine the name of an existing widget? 125) Why do I get a BadDrawable error drawing to XtWindow(widget)? 126) Why do I get a BadMatch error when calling XGetImage? 127) How can my application tell if it is being run under X? 128) How do I make a ""busy cursor"" while my application is computing? 129) How do I fork without hanging my parent X program? 130) Can I make Xt or Xlib calls from a signal handler? 131) What are these ""Xlib sequence lost"" errors? 132) How can my Xt program handle socket, pipe, or file input? 133) How do I simulate a button press/release event for a widget? 134) Why doesn't anything appear when I run this simple program? 135) What is the difference between a Screen and a screen? 136) Can I use C++ with X11? Motif? XView? 137) Where can I obtain alternate language bindings to X? 138) Can XGetWindowAttributes get a window's background pixel/pixmap? 139) How do I create a transparent window? 140) Why doesn't GXxor produce mathematically-correct color values? 141) Why does every color I allocate show up as black? 142) Why can't my program get a standard colormap? 143) Why does the pixmap I copy to the screen show up as garbage? 144) How do I check whether a window ID is valid? 145) Can I have two applications draw to the same window? 146) Why can't my program work with tvtwm or swm? 147) How do I keep a window from being resized by the user? 148) How do I keep a window in the foreground at all times? 149) How do I make text and bitmaps blink in X? 150)+ How do I get a double-click in Xlib? 151)! How do I render rotated text? 152) What is the X Registry? (How do I reserve names?) If you have suggestions or corrections for any of these answers or any additional information, please send them directly to uunet!craft!faq; the information will be included in the next revision (or possibly the one after that; thanks for the many suggestions which haven't been incorporated yet). This version of the FAQ is in the process of having R3 information replaced by R5 information. This posting is intended to be distributed at approximately the beginning of each month. New versions are archived on export.lcs.mit.edu and are also available from mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu and archive-server@nic.switch.ch (send ""help""). The information contained herein has been gathered from a variety of sources. In many cases attribution has been lost; if you would like to claim responsibility for a particular item, please let me know. Conventions used below: telephone numbers tend to be Bell-system unless otherwise noted; prices on items are not included; email addresses are those that work from the US. X Window System is a trademark of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. (Note: a script by George Ferguson (ferguson@cs.rochester.edu) to pretty-print this faq is available from ugle.unit.no:/pub/X11/contrib/xfaq2texinfo.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 0) TOPIC: BASIC INFORMATION SOURCES AND DEFINITIONS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 1)! What books and articles on X are good for beginners? Ken Lee of SynOptics (klee@synoptics.com) regularly posts to comp.windows.x and ba.windows.x a bibliography containing cites of all known reference books and how-to manuals and also cites of selected technical articles on X and X programming; it is ftp-able as export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/Xbibliography and gatekeeper.dec.com:/pub/X11/contrib/Xbibliography Here is an unordered set of the reference books and tutorials most useful for beginners; most appear on that list [comments are gathered from a variety of places and are unattributable]: Asente, Paul J., and Swick, Ralph R., ""X Window System Toolkit, The Complete Programmer's Guide and Specification"", Digital Press, 1990. The bible on Xt. A treasury of information, excellent and invaluable. Distributed by Digital Press, ISBN 1-55558-051-3, order number EY-E757E-DP; and by Prentice-Hall, ISBN 0-13-972191-6. Also available through DEC Direct at 1-800-DIGITAL. [The examples are on export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib/ and on gatekeeper.dec.com (16.1.0.2) in pub/X11/contrib as asente-swick.examples.tar.Z. They were also posted to comp.sources.x as xt-examples/part0[1-5].] Jones, Oliver, Introduction to the X Window System, Prentice-Hall, 1988, 1989. ISBN 0-13-499997-5. An excellent introduction to programming with Xlib. Written with the programmer in mind, this book includes many practical tips that are not found anywhere else. This book is not as broad as the O'Reilly Xlib tutorial, but Jones is an experienced X programmer and this shows in the quality and depth of the material in the book. Originally written for X11R1, recent printings have included corrections and additions and current material. Young, Doug. ""The X Window System: Applications and Programming with Xt (Motif Version),"" Prentice Hall, 1989 (ISBN 0-13-497074-8). The excellent tutorial ""X Window System Programming and Applications with Xt,"" (ISBN 0-13-972167-3) updated for Motif. [The examples are available on export; the ones from the Motif version are in ~ftp/contrib/young.motif.tar.Z.] Young, Doug and John Pew, ""The X Window System: Programming and Applications with Xt, OPEN LOOK Edition"" (ISBN 0-13-982992-X). The tutorial rewritten for OLIT, with new examples and drag/drop information. [Examples are on export in youg.olit.tar.Z and in you OpenWindows 3 distribution in $OPENWINHOME/share/src/olit/olitbook.] Heller, Dan. ""Motif Programmers Manual"". The 6th Volume in the O'Reilly series covers Motif application programming; it's full of good examples. With Motif reference pages. (ISBN 0-9937175-70-6.) [The examples are available on uunet in comp.sources.x and nutshell archives.] [A Motif 1.2 will be out soon.] Scheifler, Robert, and James Gettys, with Jim Flowers and David Rosenthal, ""X Window System: The Complete Reference to Xlib, X Protocol, ICCCM, XLFD, X Version 11, Release 5, Third Edition,"" Digital Press, 1992. ""The Bible"" in its latest revision, an enhanced version of X documentation by the authors of the Xlib documentation. This is the most complete published description of the X programming interface and X protocol. It is the primary reference work and is not introductory tutorial documentation; additional tutorial works will usually be needed by most new X programmers. Digital Press order EY-J802E-DP, ISBN 0-13-971201-1. Nye, Adrian, ""Xlib Programming Manual, Volume 1"" and ""Xlib Reference Manual, Volume 2,"" O'Reilly and Associates. A superset of the MIT X documentation; the first volume is a tutorial with broad coverage of Xlib, and the second contains reference pages for Xlib functions and many useful reference appendices. Both cover X11R5 (and R4). ISBN 0-937175-26-9 (volume 1) and ISBN 0-937175-27-7 (volume 2). Nye, Adrian, and Tim O'Reilly, ""X Toolkit Programming Manual, Volume 4,"" O'Reilly and Associates, 1989. The folks at O'Reilly give their comprehensive treatment to programming with the MIT Intrinsics; R4 versions are now available, as is a Motif 1.1 version (Volume 4M). O'Reilly, Tim, ed., ""X Toolkit Reference Manual, Volume 5,"" O'Reilly and Associates. A professional reference manual for the MIT X11R4 and X11R5 Xt. Mansfield, Niall. ""The X Window System: A User's Guide,"" Addison-Wesley, 1989. A tutorial introduction to using X, now upgraded for R4. ISBN 0-201-51341-2. Quercia, Valerie and Tim O'Reilly. ""X Window System User's Guide,"" O'Reilly and Associates. A tutorial introduction to using X. ISBN 0-937175-36-6. Also available in R4 and Motif flavors. Mui, Linda and Eric Pearce. ""X Window System Administrator's Guide for X11 R4 and R5"" [ORA Volume 8]. Help for X users and administrators. ISBN 0-937175-83-8. (Prentice-Hall ordering is 201-767-5937. O'Reilly ordering is 800-998-9938.) In addition, check the X11R4 and X11R5 core distribution in doc/tutorials for some useful papers and tutorials, particularly the file answers.txt. ""Late Night's Top Ten X11 Questions"" by Dave Lemke (lemke@ncd.com) and Stuart Marks (smarks@sun.com) answers other common questions and some of these here in more detail. New R5 versions of the O'Reilly references (not yet Volume 6) are now available [8/92]. A single volume, ""Programmer's Supplement for R5"" by David Flanagan, provides an overview of new R5 features; it includes man pages for Xlib, Xt, and Xmu. [ISBN 0-937175-86-2] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 2)! What courses on X and various X toolkits are available? Advanced Computing Environments periodically offers at least a two-day Introduction course. Contact Susie Karlson at 415-941-3399 for information. AT&T offers training in Xlib and in the Xol set. Contact AT&T Corporate Education & Training for more info; 1-800-TRAINER in the USA. BIM Educational Services offers training in X administration and in programming with Xt/Motif and Open Windows; the courses are given near Brussels. Info: edu@sunbim.be, voice +32-(0)2-7595925, fax +32-(0)2-7599209. Communica Software Consultants offers three-day hands-on courses in X designed for the X Window System developer and programmer. Contact Chris Clarkson, telephone 61 8 3732523, e-mail communica@communica.oz.au. [12/92] Cora Computer Technologies (516-485-7343) offers several courses. GHCT offers a one week lecture/lab course for programmmers designed by Douglas Young based on his book ""The X Window System: Programming and Applica- tions with Xt, OSF/Motif Edition"". Information: Brian Stell (415-966-8805 or ghct!brian@sgi.com). GHG offers a range of courses on X and Motif. Information: 713-488-8806 or training-info@ghg.hou.tx.us. Hands On Learning has live training and self-paced video workshops on topics such as using and/or programming X, Xlib, Xm, Xt, and widget-writing. Information: 617-272-0088, 800-248-9133. Hewlett-Packard (1-800-HPCLASS; or contact your local HP center) offers a 2-day ""Introduction to X"", a 5-day Xlib course, a 1-day Xt and Motif 1.1 seminar, and a 5-day Motif lab course. Integrated Computer Solutions, Inc., offers several multi-day, hands-on courses on X, Xt, and the Xaw and Motif widget sets, in particular. Information is available at 617-621-0060 and info@ics.com. Intelligent Visual Computing teaches several lab courses on-site for Motif and XView. IVC is at 1-800-776-2810 or +1 919-481-1353 or at info@ivc.com. Iris Computing Laboratories offers five-day Xlib and Xt courses. Info: +1-505-988-2670 or info@spectro.com. IXI Limited (+44 223 462 131) offers regular X training courses for both programmers and non-technical managers. See also: Unipalm, below. Learning Tree International offers a four-day course in X Window System applications development, including Xlib and some information on Motif. For more info call 800-824-9155 (213-417-3484); 613-748-7741 in Canada. Courses are offered in major North American cities; also in London, Stockholm, Tokyo, and elsewhere. Lurnix offers 4-day ""type-along courses"" on Xt; the course is being ported from Xaw to Xm. Information is available at 800-433-9337 (in CA: -9338). Mitch Trachtenberg and Associates offers regular 5-day lab courses on programming with OSF/Motif, usually in but not limited to Cambridge, MA. Info: +1 617-225-0440, info@mta.com. Non Standard Logics (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) offers courses on programming with Xlib, Motif, and creating Motif widgets. OSF Educational Services (617-621-8778) offers one-day seminars and one-week Motif lab courses. John A. Pew offers a 5-day course on OLIT, possibly based on his book on that subject; 408-224-5739. SCO (+44 923 816344, scol-info@sco.COM) offers training for its Open Desktop (Motif) environment in the UK and Europe. Software Pundits (617-270-0639) offers a range of courses. Technology Exchange (617-944-3700) offers a 4-day Xlib/Xt/Motif course. TeleSoft is now offering a 1-day plus 3-day seminar on X and Motif. Information: Bruce Sherman (619-457-2700, bds@telesoft.com). Unipalm XTech offers OSF's 5-day Motif course and a 1-day overview on X. Information: Unipalm Training at +44 952 211797, xtech@unipalm.co.uk. The University of Edinburgh is developing a series of courses on X and related topics primarily for non-profit-making training in academia but also for commercial use. Information: Cliff Booth, Unipalm Ltd, phone +44 223 420002, fax +44 223 426868. Various other vendors are also beginning to offer X training, usually specific to a proprietary toolkit or to Xt and a proprietary widget set: DEC is offering Xlib courses; Sun offers an XView course. Various universities are offering short X courses or overviews: UCLA, Dartmouth, University of Lowell, University of Canberra (within Australia: 062-522422) ... UC Berkeley Extension will have a one week X/Motif class for programmers in San Francisco starting on July 29. The class will have a hands-on lab. For more information contact UCBX at 415 323 8141. Among the best places to find courses are at the various Unix conferences -- Uniforum, Usenix, Unix Expo, Xhibition, the MIT X Technical Conference, the ACM tutorial weeks, &c. In addition, the X Consortium posts approximately quarterly a list of unendorsed speakers and consultants who can provide talks on a variety of X topics. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 3)! What conferences on X are coming up? The Xhibition 93 X trade show and conference, with tutorials, panels, presentations, and vendor exhibits, will be held at the San Jose Convention Center June 7-11, 1993. Information: +1 617 621 0060, xhibit@ics.com. The Tcl/Tk Workshop will be held at UCal Berkeley June 10-11, 1993. Information: tcl93@cs.berkeley.edu. The 1993 Andrew Technical Conference and Consortium Annual Meeting will be held June 24-25, 1993, in Pittsburgh. Information: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.EDU. The European X User Group holds an annual conference which typically includes includes paper presentations and a vendor exhibit. EXUG'93, ""X in the Real World and Multimedia"" will be held 9/16-9/17 at the Imperial College of Science and Technology, London. Information: exug@demon.co.uk, niall@uit.co.uk or p.whitehead@cc.ic.ac.uk, +44 (0) 223 426534, fax +44 (0) 223 420251. The Motif show is held in Washington to coincide with the FedUnix and the Federal Open Systems Conference (usually December). Information: motif@fedunix.org or paller@fedunix.org, 301-229-1062, fax 301-229-1063. The MIT X Technical Conference is typically held in January in Boston. Registration information is available from registration@expo.lcs.mit.edu. The XWorld Conference and Exhibition includes tutorials, panels, presentations and vendor exhibits. It is typically held in March in New York City. Information: SIGS Publication Group at 212-274-9135. Other trade shows -- UnixExpo, Uniforum, Siggraph -- show an increasing presence of X, including tutorials and exhibits. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 4) What X-related public mailing lists are available? The xpert mailing list is the general, public mailing list on X maintained by the X Consortium. The mailings are gatewayed, so xpert is almost identical to the comp.windows.x Usenet newsgroup. *** If you get comp.windows.x, you don't need to *** *** be added to the xpert mailing list. *** Otherwise, you can join the list to receive X information electronically. It is best to find a local distribution; perhaps someone within your company is already receiving the mailing. As a last resort, send mail to xpert-request@expo.lcs.mit.edu with a valid return electronic address. The xannounce mailing list carries major X announcements, such as new releases (including public patches from MIT), public reviews, adoption of standards by the MIT X Consortium, and conference announcements. It does NOT carry advertisements, source code, patches, or questions. If you already receive the Usenet news group comp.windows.x.announce or the xpert mailing list, you don't need to be added to the xannounce mailing list. Otherwise, to subscribe, send a request to xannounce-request@expo.lcs.mit.edu. Note: Only redistribution addresses will be accepted for this list -- i.e. no personal addresses. If you wish to receive xannounce yourself, please contact your mail administrator to set up a local redistribution list and to put you on it. comp.windows.x.apps is not gatewayed to a mailing list. In addition, the X Consortium sponsors these public lists: bug-clx CLX bug reports and discussions x-ada X and ada x11-3d people interested in X and 3d graphics ximage people interested in image processing and X xvideo discussion of video extensions for X To subscribe to one of these lists, assuming no-one in your organization already receives it, send mail to -request@expo.lcs.mit.edu with the Subject line including the name of the LIST in caps and the request ""addition request"". In the body of the message be sure to give an address for your local distribution which is accessible from MIT (eddie.mit.edu). A mailing list for topics related to OPEN LOOK is sponsored by Greg Pasquariello of Unify corporation; send to openlook-request@unify.com (or openlook-request%unify@uunet.uu.net) for information. A mailing list for bugs in the publicly-available version of XView source, in particular, is sponsored by Sun; send for information to xviewbug-trackers-request@sun.com. A mailing list for topics related to Motif is sponsored by Kee Hinckley of Alfalfa Software, Inc.; send to motif-request@alfalfa.com for information. (This group is gatewayed to comp.windows.x.motif.) A mailing list for topics related to the XPM pixmap-format is sponsored by Arnaud Le Hors of Group Bull; send to xpm-talk-request@sa.inria.fr for information. [1/91] A mailing list discussing InterViews can be subscribed to by sending to interviews-request@interviews.stanford.edu. A mailing list (amiga-x11@nic.funet.fi) for topics related to the port of X11 to the Amiga can be subscribed by sending to mailserver@nic.funet.fi a message containing Subject: Adding myself to AMIGA-X11 SUBS AMIGA-X11 Your Real Name A mailing list discussing ParcPlace's (formerly Solbourne's) OI (Object Interface) toolkit can be subscribed to at oi-users-requests@bbn.com. A mailing list discussing multi-threaded Xlib can be subscribed to at mt-xlib-request@xsoft.xerox.com. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 5) How can I meet other X developers? O'Reilly and Associates sponsors a mailing list for the use of X user group organizers; subscribe by sending to listserv@ora.com the message ""subscribe xgroups your@internet.address"". Local area X user's groups are listed in Issue 4 of O'Reilly's X Resource journal; a list may also be available from xug@ics.com. The French X User Group is called AFUX and is based in Sophia Antipolis by CERICS. Information can be obtained from Miss Vasseur or Miss Forest; BP 148; 157, rue Albert Einstein; 06561 Valbonne Cedex; Phone: +33 93 95 45 00 / 45 01; Fax: +33 93 95 48 57. [10/90] The European X User Group was formed in 1989 to represent X users in Europe. It holds technical conferences at regular intervals. The EXUG also publishes a regular newsletter which is distributed free of charge to members. The EXUG also runs a email mailing list for members which is frequently used to address issues of European interest in X. The EXUG can be contacted at P.Whitehead@cc.ic.ac.uk, +44 (071) 225 8754, fax +44 (071) 823 9497. GXUGiV is the German X User's Group in Vorbereitung (""in preparation"") being formed for X programmers and users; it is associated with the EXUG. All interested should contact Olaf Heimburger (+49 30 7 79 54 64; and at mcvax!unido!tub!olaf). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 6) What related FAQs are available? Liam R. E. Quin (lee@sq.sq.com) posts a FAQ on Open Look to comp.windows.open-look. Jan Newmarch (jan@pandonia.canberra.edu.au) posts a FAQ on Motif to comp.windows.x.motif. Peter Ware (ware@cis.ohio-state.edu) posts a FAQ for comp.windows.x.intrinsics; it is on export in contrib/FAQ-Xt. Art Mulder (art@cs.ualberta.ca) posts to comp.windows.x a FAQ on maximizing the performance of X. Steve Kotsopoulos (steve@ecf.toronto.edu) posts to comp.windows.x a FAQ about using X on Intel-based Unix systems. The FAQ in alt.binaries.pictures contains information on viewing images with X and on massaging image formats. The FAQ in comp.mail.mh (gatewayed to MH-users@ics.uci.edu) includes a section on xmh. The FAQ in comp.lang.lisp contains information on several interface tools and toolkits. There exists a PEX/PHiGS FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 7) How do I ask a net-question so as to maximize helpful responses? When asking for help on the net or X mailing lists, be sure to include all information about your setup and what you are doing. The more specific you are, the more likely someone will spot an error in what you are doing. Without all the details, people who want to help you often have to guess -- if they are able to respond at all. Always mention what version of X you are using and where you got it from. If your server came from a different source as the rest of your X system, give details of that, too. Give the machine type, operating system, and O/S version for both the client and server machine. It may also be appropriate to mention the window manager, compiler, and display hardware type you are using. Then tell exactly what you are doing, exactly what happens, and what you expected/wanted to happen. If it is a command that fails, include the exact transcript of your session in the message. If a program you wrote doesn't work the way you expect, include as little of the source necessary (just a small test case, please!) for readers to reproduce the problem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 8) What publications discussing X are available? The trade magazines (Unix World, Unix Review, Computer Language, etc.) are publishing more articles on X. Two X-specific publications include: - O'Reilly and Associates publishes ""The X Resource: A Practical Journal of the X Window System"" (103 Morris St. #A, Sebastapol, CA 95472). Editorial information: Adrian Nye, adrian@ora.com. - The X Journal is started bi-monthly publication September 1991 on a variety of X topics. Subscription information: The X Journal, Subscriber Services, Dept XXX, P.O. Box 3000, Denville, NJ 07834, USA. Editorial information: editors%topgun@uunet.uu.net. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 9) What are these common abbreviations/acronyms? Xt: The X Toolkit Intrinsics is a library layered on Xlib which provides the functionality from which the widget sets are built. An ""Xt-based"" program is an application which uses one of those widget sets and which uses Intrinsics mechanisms to manipulate the widgets. Xmu: The Xmu library is a collection of Miscellaneous Utility functions useful in building various applications and widgets. Xaw: The Athena Widget Set is the MIT-implemented sample widget set distributed with X11 source. Xm: The OSF/Motif widget set from the Open Software Foundation; binary kits are available from many hardware vendors. Xhp (Xw): The Hewlett-Packard Widget Set was originally based on R2++, but several sets of patches exist which bring it up to R3, as it is distributed on the X11R4 tapes. Supplemental patches are available to use it with R4/R5. CLX: The Common Lisp X Interface is a Common Lisp equivalent to Xlib. XDMCP: The X Display Manager Protocol provides a uniform mechanism for a display such as an X terminal to request login service from a remote host. XLFD: The X Logical Font Description Conventions describes a standard logical font description and conventions to be used by clients so that they can query and access those resources. RTFM: Common expert-speak meaning ""please locate and consult the relevant documentation -- Read the Forgotten Manual"". UTSL: A common expression meaning ""take advantage of the fact that you aren't limited by a binary license -- Use The Source, Luke"". API: Application-Programmer Interface. The function calls, etc., in a programming library. BDF: Bitmap Distribution Format; a human-readable format for uncompiled X fonts. GUI: graphical user interface. UIL: the User Interface Language, part of OSF/Motif which lets programmers specify a widget hierarchy in a simple ""outline"" form WCL: the Widget Creation Language, a package which extends the understanding of the Xt resource format such that a widget hierarchy and actions on the widgets can be specified through the resources file GIL: the file format put out by Sun's OpenWindows Developers Guide 3.0 UIMS: User Interface Management System ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 10) What is the ICCCM? (How do I write X-friendly applications?) The Inter-Client Communication Conventions Manual is one of the official X Consortium standards documents that define the X environment. It describes the conventions that clients must observe to coexist peacefully with other clients sharing the same server. If you are writing X clients, you need to read and understand the ICCCM, in particular the sections discussing the selection mechanism and the interaction between your client and the window manager. Get it either: - as part of the R4 distribution from MIT - in the later editions of the Scheifler/Gettys ""X Window System"" book - as an appendix in the new version of O'Reilly's Volume 0, ""X Protocol Reference Manual."" A version in old copies of their Volume 1 is obsolete. The version in the Digital Press book is much more readable, thanks to the efforts of Digital Press's editors to improve the English and the presentation. [from David Rosenthal, 10/90] - the ICCCM was updated for R5; updates are published in O'Reilly's ""Programmer's Supplement for Release 5"". The complete document is on the R5 tapes. Alternate definition: the ICCCM is generally the M in ""RTFM"" and is the most-important of the least-read X documents. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 11) What is the X Consortium, and how do I join? The MIT X Consortium was formed in January of 1988 to further the development of the X Window System and has as its major goal the promotion of cooperation within the computer industry in the creation of standard software interfaces at all layers in the X Window System environment. MIT's role is to provide the vendor-neutral architectural and administrative leadership required to make this work. Membership in the Consortium open to any organization. There are two categories of membership, Member (for large organizations) and Affiliate (for smaller organizations). Most of the Consortium's activities take place via electronic mail, with meetings when required. As designs and specifications take shape, interest groups are formed from experts in the participating organizations. Typically a small multi-organization architecture team leads the design, with others acting as close observers and reviewers. Once a complete specification is produced, it may be submitted for formal technical review by the Consortium as a proposed standard. The standards process typically includes public review (outside the Consortium) and a demonstration of proof of concept. Your involvement in the public review process or as a Member or Affiliate of the Consortium is welcomed. Write to: Bob Scheifler, MIT X Consortium, Laboratory for Computer Science, 545 Technology Square, Cambridge, MA 02139. [For complete information see the XCONSORTIUM man page from the X11R4 distribution, from which this information is adapted.] [2/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 12) Just what are OPEN LOOK and Motif? OPEN LOOK and Motif are two graphical user interfaces (GUIs). OPEN LOOK was developed by Sun with help from AT&T and many industry reviewers; Motif was developed by the Open Software Foundation (OSF) with input from many OSF members. OPEN LOOK is primarily a user-interface specification and style-guide; there are several toolkits which can be used to produce OPEN LOOK applications. Motif includes an API specification; the only sanctioned Motif toolkit is the one from OSF. However, there are other toolkits which can be used to produce programs which look and behave like OSF/Motif; one of these, ParcPlace's (formerly Solbourne's) OI, is a ""virtual toolkit"" which provides objects in the style of OPEN LOOK and Motif, at the user's choice. OPEN LOOK GUI is also the name of a product from AT&T, comprising their OPEN LOOK Intrinsics Toolkit and a variety of applications. [Thanks to Ian Darwin, ian@sq.com, 5/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 13) Just what is OpenWindows? Open Windows (3.0) is a Sun product that encompasses: a window system that combines a NeWS and X11-compliant server (X/NeWS); a user-interface specification (OPEN LOOK) and a series of toolkits that implement it (including the SunView-like XView and the Xt-based OLIT); Xlib and Xt implementations; and a number of utilities (olwm window manager, filemgr, shelltool, etc.). [thanks to Frank Greco (fgreco@govt.shearson.COM), 8/90; 4/92] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 14) Just what is DECWindows? DECWindows is a DEC product that encompasses: an X11 server; the XUI toolkit, including the Dwt widget set and UIL; Xlib and Xt implementations; a session manager; and a number of utilities (dxwm window manager, dxcalendar, dxpsview, etc.). (At some point Motif flavors of the toolkit and applications will be shipped.) [8/90] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 15) What is PEX? PEX is the ""PHiGS Extension to X"". PHiGS stands for ""Programmer's Hierarchical Interactive Graphics System"" and is essentially a library of functions that simplifies the creation and manipulation of 3D graphics. Many platforms are capable of performing in hardware the computations involved in rendering 3D objects; the extension allows the client (PHiGS in this case) to take advantage of the specialized hardware for 3D graphics. Sun Microsystems is currently contracted to develop a freely redistributable (copyright similar to the current X copyright) sample implementation. Source and documentation are available in the R5 release. Several vendors are currently selling independently-developed PEX servers for their workstations and X terminals. [last modified 10/91] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 16) What is ""low-bandwidth X"" (LBX)? XRemote? PPP? SLIP? CSLIP? There are several options for using X over serial lines: SLIP - Serial Line IP; this is both a mechanism and a protocol for sending IP packets over point-to-point serial links. It has been around for several years, and implementations are available for many of the major TCP/IP implementations. Most X Terminal vendors supply this as a checkoff item, although nobody really ever uses it since it is horribly slow. The TCP/IP headers add 40 bytes per packet and the TCP/IP encoding of the X protocol is rather verbose (rightfully so; it is optimized for packing and unpacking over high-speed links). CSLIP - Compressed header SLIP; this is a variant of SLIP that compresses the 40 bytes of TCP/IP headers down to about 5 or 6 bytes. It still doesn't do anything about reencoding the X protocol. Modems that do compression can help, but they increase packet latency (it takes time to dribble the uncompressed data through typical serial interfaces, plus the compression assembly time). PPP - Point-to-Point Protocol; this is an emerging standard for point-to-point links over serial lines that has a more complete set of option negotiation than SLIP. A growing number of people see the combination of PPP for the serial line management and CSLIP for the header compression as becoming common for running normal TCP/IP protocols over serial lines. Running raw X over the wire still needs compression somewhere to make it usable. XRemote - this is the name of both a protocol and set of products originally developed by NCD for squeezing the X protocol over serial lines. In addition to using a low level transport mechanism similar to PPP/CSLIP, XRemote removes redundancies in the X protocol by sending deltas against previous packets and using LZW to compress the entire data stream. This work is done by either a pseudo-X server or ""proxy"" running on the host or in a terminal server. There are several advantages to doing compression outside the modem: (1) You don't *have* to have compressing modems in there if you wouldn't otherwise be using them (e.g. if you were going to be directly connected), and (2) It reduces the I/O overhead by cutting down on the number of bytes that have to cross the serial interface, and (3) In addition to the effects of #2, it reduces the latency in delivering packets by not requiring the modem to buffer up the data waiting for blocks to compress. LBX - Low Bandwidth X; this is an X Consortium project that is working on a standard for this area. It is being chaired by NCD and Xerox and is using NCD's XRemote protocol as a stepping stone in developing the new protocol. LBX will go beyond XRemote by adding proxy caching of commonly-used information (e.g. connection setup data, large window properties, font metrics, keymaps, etc.) and a more efficient encoding of the X protocol. The hope is to have a Standard ready for public review in the first half of next year and a sample implementation available in R6. Additional technical information about how XRemote works and a few notes on how LBX might be different are available via anonymous ftp from export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib/ in the following files: XRemote-slides.ps slides describing XRemote XRemote-LBX-diffs.ps more slides describing some of LBX [information provided by Jim Fulton, jim@ncd.com; 7/92] There is also a set of slides on export from Jim Fulton's talk at the 7th MIT X Technical Conference. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 17) TOPIC: USING X IN DAY-TO-DAY LIFE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 18)! What are all these different window managers? The window manager in X is just another client -- it is not part of the X window system, although it enjoys special privileges -- and so there is no single window manager; instead, there are many which support different ways for the user to interact with windows and different styles of window layout, decoration, and keyboard and colormap focus. In approximate chronological order (generally, the more recent ones are more conformant with the ICCCM): wm: this simple title-bar window manager was phased out in R2 or R3 uwm: the Universal Window Manager is still popular for its speed, although it is very outdated. Moved to contrib/ on the R4 tape. twm (old): Tom's Window Manager was among the first non-MIT window managers and offered the user a great deal of customization options in a re-parenting window manager. awm: the Ardent Window Manager remains a hotbed for hackers and offers some features (dynamic menus) not found on more current window managers cwm: cwm is part of the Andrew system. rtl: Siemen's window manager tiles windows so that they don't overlap and resizes the window with the focus to its preferred size. dxwm: Digital's dxwm is part of the DECwindows offering hpwm: HP's window manager offers a 3D look; it is a precursor of mwm mwm: the Motif window manager is part of the OSF/Motif toolkit tekwm: Tektronix's window manager offering olwm (Sun): olwm implements the OPEN LOOK GUI and some of the Style Guide functionality olwm (AT&T): ditto gwm: Bull's Generic Window Manager emulates others with a built-in Lisp interpreter. Version 1.7h (10/91) is on the R5 contrib tape; 1.7n is on avahi.inria.fr and export.lcs.mit.edu. [3/93] m_swm: the Sigma window manager is on the R4 tape pswm: Sun's PostScript-based pswm is part of the OpenWindows release swm: Solbourne's swm is based on the OI toolkit and offers multiple GUI support and also a panned virtual window; configuration information comes from the resources file twm (new): MIT's new Tab Window Manager from the R4 tape is a reworked twm and is the basis for several derivatives, including the one on the R5 tape vtwm: vtwm offers some of the virtual-desktop features of swm, with a single-root window implementation; it is based on the R4 twm and is available on archive servers. A new version, vtwm-5.0, is based on R5.9 and is available from export. [3/92] tvtwm: Tom's Virtual Tab Window Manager is also based on the R4 twm and provides a virtual desktop modeled on the virtual-root window of swm. It is available on archive servers olvwm: the vtwm-style virtual-desktop added to Sun's olwm. It is available on archive servers; version 3.3 [1/93] is on export. mvwm: the vtwm-style virtual-desktop added to OSF's mwm. A beta version is floating around (most recently from suresh@unipalm.co.uk) but requires a source license to OSF/Motif 1.1.3 [3/92]. NCDwm: the window manager local to NCD terminals offers an mwm look XDSwm: the window manager local to Visual Technology's terminals ctwm: Claude Lecommandeur's (lecom@sic.epfl.ch) modification of the R5 twm offers 32 virtual screens in the fashion of HP vuewm; source is on export. Version 2.2.2 [2/93] also offers the window overview used in vtwm and tvtwm. vuewm: HP's MWM-based window manager offers configurable workspaces. 4Dwm: SGI's enhanced MWM piewm: this version of tvtwm offers pie menus ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 19) Why does my X session exit when I kill my window manager (sic)? It needn't. What is probably happening is that you are running your window manager as the last job in your .xsession or .xinitrc file; your X session runs only as long as the last job is running, and so killing your window manager is equivalent to logging out. Instead, run the window manager in the background, and as the last job instead invoke something safe like: exec xterm -name Login -rv -iconic or any special client of your devising which exits on some user action. Your X session will continue until you explicitly logout of this window, whether or not you kill or restart your window manager. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 20) Can I save the state of my X session, like toolplaces does? Although no known window manager directly supports such a feature -- which may be equivalent to writing out a .xinitrc or .xsession file naming the geometry and WM_COMMAND of each application (but olvwm may have something close) -- there is a contributed application which does much of what you are looking for, although it is not as complete as the SunView program toolplaces. Look for the application ""xplaces"" on an archive-server near you. There are several versions of this program floating around; look for a recent vintage. [10/90] Some new pseudo session-managers such as HP's vuewm provide for the saving of sessions including information on the geometry of currently-running applications and the resource database. [Bjxrn Stabell (bjoerns@staff.cs.uit.no); 3/93.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 21) How do I use another window manager with DEC's session manager? DEC's session manager will start dxwm up by default. To override this, add to your .Xdefaults file something like this line, naming the full pathname: sm.windowManagerName: /wherever/usr/bin/X11/your_favorite_wm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 22) How do I change the keyboard auto-repeat rate? You can turn auto-repeat on or off by using ""xset r on|off"". The X protocol, however, doesn't provide for varying the auto-repeat rate, which is a capability not supported by all systems. Some servers running on systems that support this, however, may provide command-line flags to set the rate at start-up time. If you have control over server start-up (see the man pages for xinit and xdm), you can invoke the server with the chosen settings; for example, you can start the Xsun server from MIT with the options ""-ar1 350 -ar2 30"" to reduce the sensitivity of the keyboard. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 23) How do I remap the keys on my keyboard to produce a string? There is no method of arranging for a particular string to be produced when you press a particular key. The xmodmap client, which is useful for moving your CTRL and ESC keys to useful places, just rearranges keys and does not do ""macro expansion."" Some (few) clients, including xterm and several X-based editors, accept a translation resource such as: xterm*VT100.Translations: #override \ F1: string(""setenv DISPLAY unix:0"") which permits the shorthand F1 to be pressed to reset the display locally within an xterm; it takes effect for new xterm clients. To include control characters in the string, use \nnn, where nnn is the octal encoding of the control character you want to include. Window managers, which could provide this facility, do not yet; nor has a special ""remapper"" client been made available. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net ""Just the FAQs, ma'am."" -- Joe Friday -- David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc. day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net ";-1;0 "From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 40 ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: >I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 >I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion >is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click >on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to >the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly >for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump >again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have >never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? Try this: flip your mouse over, and open up the cover that holds the mouse ball in place. Remove the ball, and inside you should see (probably) 3 rollers. If any of the rollers have a tiny layer of caked-on dirt, dust, or otherwise unidentifiable scum on them, carefully scrape it off with a small knife (Xacto works great). *Be Careful* You do not want to gauge the rollers, just clean off the dirt. Put the ball back in, put the cover on, and there you are. I clean a couple of dozen of these every month here. Another symptom is that when you move the mouse, it seems to ""click"" along. If this doesn't solve your problem, at least you have a clean mouse. I highly recommend using a proper _soft_ mouse pad, and if you are a clean freak, place it in your drawer every night or when you don't use it to keep the dust off. Personally I prefer track balls. Oh, which brings me to another point: if your mouse or trackball tracks optically, and the sunlight is streaming through the window onto your mouse/trackball, you may notice that it will stop working. If this happens to you, close the curtains or blinds, or simply shade your pointing device, and see if that helps. -- Peter Goudswaard _________ _________ goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred) | | __/^\__ | | pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca | | \ / | | pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca | | _/\_\ /_/\_ | | | | > < | | ""There's no gift like the present"" | >_________< | | - Goudswaard's observation |_________| | |_________| ";-1;0 "From: jamal@socrates.umd.edu (Jamal Asi) Subject: Comics : The complete set of the ad. of Buck Rogers in the 25th century Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 5 The complete set of the adventures of Buck Rogers is forsale. Make a REASONABLE offer. Email me back if interested. Thanks. jamal@socrates.umd.edu ";8;1 "From: junaid@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr A. Walker) Subject: 2 Sound Blasters in 1 machine Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 10 Is it possible to have 2 Sound Blasters in 1 machine? Would give your the equivalent of a SB Pro but with stereo Digitized sound. The way Creative Labs price Pro's in Oz, the price is equal. I suppose you could set the I/O addresses to 220 and 240H but what about the DMA channels? Any way what is this DMA channel sharing hype? Does it share the SB and hardisk DMA channels or something more esoteric? ";-1;0 "From: ubs@carson.u.washington.edu (University Bookstore) Subject: Re: Ghost on Apple 12"" Color -> user=insane!! Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article betts@netcom.com (Jonathan Betts) writes: >Dear Netters, > >My sister has an Apple 12"" Color Display hooked up to an LC. > >Problem: There is an annoying, horizontal, ghost-like stripe that >precesses vertically about once per second. It is about 1 cm high. >She is in grave danger of going insane because of it. > >Any ideas of what it might be and how I might cure it for her? > >-Joe Betts >betts@netcom.com > >PS: if I pick up the display (I thought it might be RFI from the LC) it >seems to get worse! > This can be caused by two one of two things. The first and easiest to fix is interference from something around the monitor, such as another monitor or other electrical device. Try moving the system to another location to fix that problem. Second, because of the scan rate of the monitor, it tends to synchronize with room lights and can cause the interference you are seeing. Try turning off all lights in the room(s) around the system and see if that helps. If not, try moving the system somewhere else. A third solution would be to get a 14"" Apple Color Display - It should not have the same problem the 12"" Color is more suceptible to. You can try calling Apple's new support number (in the U.S.) at 1-800-SOS-APPLE. This number is for ANYONE who has questions regarding Macintosh setup and compatibility and just went into effect for this extended support on Monday, April 5, 1993. Good luck - **** Kevin Lohman, Buyer, University Book Store University of Washington, Seattle Apple Computers for Education Program ";-1;0 "From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... Distribution: world Organization: The Modem Palace Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr19.211340.12407@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com writes: >I am very glad to know that none of you judgemental little shits has Hey Pal! Who're you calling litte? Tony +---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ |Tony Kidson | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127 | |Morgan Towers, | The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order) | |Morgan Road, | as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk | |Bromley, | off of the machine. |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk | |England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com| +---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian K Servis) Subject: Re: Ghostscript for win fonts???? Keywords: ghostscript,fonts Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 26 servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian K Servis) writes: That's me.... >I just downloaded the Windows Ghostscript package(gswin252.zip,gs252ini.zip) >from ftp. When I load a PS file it says it cant find font and substitutes a >font called Ugly. It is substituting for basic fonts such as Helv, and Cour. >I would imagine that these fonts are included in its font library. Is there >something I am doing wrong or am missing? These Ugly fonts are not very clear >and well defined, as in sharpness, etc, basically they are ugly! Any advice >is welcome. Ok, I realize I have to get the font files from some ftp site. I found them at cica but I now have another question..... Are the 24*.zip fonts compatible with gswin252?? >Please email Brian Servis =========================================================================== || servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu || ""It Happened This Way"" || ===================================|| actual quotes from insurance claims|| || What I say may not be what I || || || think. What I say may not be || ""The pedestrian had no idea which || || what Purdue thinks. || way to go, so I ran him over."" || =========================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu Subject: LARSONIAN Astronomy and Physics Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 552 LARSONIAN Astronomy and Physics Orthodox physicists, astronomers, and astrophysicists CLAIM to be looking for a ""Unified Field Theory"" in which all of the forces of the universe can be explained with a single set of laws or equations. But they have been systematically IGNORING or SUPPRESSING an excellent one for 30 years! The late Physicist Dewey B. Larson's comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, which he calls the ""Reciprocal System"", is built on two fundamental postulates about the physical and mathematical natures of space and time: (1) ""The physical universe is composed ENTIRELY of ONE component, MOTION, existing in THREE dimensions, in DISCRETE UNITS, and in two RECIPROCAL forms, SPACE and TIME."" (2) ""The physical universe conforms to the relations of ORDINARY COMMUTATIVE mathematics, its magnitudes are ABSOLUTE, and its geometry is EUCLIDEAN."" From these two postulates, Larson developed a COMPLETE Theoretical Universe, using various combinations of translational, vibrational, rotational, and vibrational- rotational MOTIONS, the concepts of IN-ward and OUT-ward SCALAR MOTIONS, and speeds in relation to the Speed of Light (which Larson called ""UNIT VELOCITY"" and ""THE NATURAL DATUM""). At each step in the development, Larson was able to MATCH objects in his Theoretical Universe with objects in the REAL physical universe, (photons, sub-atomic particles [INCOMPLETE ATOMS], charges, atoms, molecules, globular star clusters, galaxies, binary star systems, solar systems, white dwarf stars, pulsars, quasars, ETC.), even objects NOT YET DISCOVERED THEN (such as EXPLODING GALAXIES, and GAMMA-RAY BURSTS). And applying his Theory to his NEW model of the atom, Larson was able to precisely and accurately CALCULATE inter- atomic distances in crystals and molecules, compressibility and thermal expansion of solids, and other properties of matter. All of this is described in good detail, with-OUT fancy complex mathematics, in his books. BOOKS of Dewey B. Larson The following is a complete list of the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson's books about his comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe. Some of the early books are out of print now, but still available through inter-library loan. ""The Structure of the Physical Universe"" (1959) ""The Case AGAINST the Nuclear Atom"" (1963) ""Beyond Newton"" (1964) ""New Light on Space and Time"" (1965) ""Quasars and Pulsars"" (1971) ""NOTHING BUT MOTION"" (1979) [A $9.50 SUBSTITUTE for the $8.3 BILLION ""Super Collider"".] [The last four chapters EXPLAIN chemical bonding.] ""The Neglected Facts of Science"" (1982) ""THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION"" (1984) [FINAL SOLUTIONS to most ALL astrophysical mysteries.] ""BASIC PROPERTIES OF MATTER"" (1988) All but the last of these books were published by North Pacific Publishers, P.O. Box 13255, Portland, OR 97213, and should be available via inter-library loan if your local university or public library doesn't have each of them. Several of them, INCLUDING the last one, are available from: The International Society of Unified Science (ISUS), 1680 E. Atkin Ave., Salt Lake City, Utah 84106. This is the organization that was started to promote Larson's Theory. They have other related publications, including the quarterly journal ""RECIPROCITY"". Physicist Dewey B. Larson's Background Physicist Dewey B. Larson was a retired Engineer (Chemical or Electrical). He was about 91 years old when he died in May 1989. He had a Bachelor of Science Degree in Engineering Science from Oregon State University. He developed his comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe while trying to develop a way to COMPUTE chemical properties based only on the elements used. Larson's lack of a fancy ""PH.D."" degree might be one reason that orthodox physicists are ignoring him, but it is NOT A VALID REASON. Sometimes it takes a relative outsider to CLEARLY SEE THE FOREST THROUGH THE TREES. At the same time, it is clear from his books that he also knew ORTHODOX physics and astronomy as well as ANY physicist or astronomer, well enough to point out all their CONTRADICTIONS, AD HOC ASSUMPTIONS, PRINCIPLES OF IMPOTENCE, IN-CONSISTENCIES, ETC.. Larson did NOT have the funds, etc. to experimentally test his Theory. And it was NOT necessary for him to do so. He simply compared the various parts of his Theory with OTHER researchers' experimental and observational data. And in many cases, HIS explanation FIT BETTER. A SELF-CONSISTENT Theory is MUCH MORE than the ORTHODOX physicists and astronomers have! They CLAIM to be looking for a ""unified field theory"" that works, but have been IGNORING one for over 30 years now! ""Modern physics"" does NOT explain the physical universe so well. Some parts of some of Larson's books are FULL of quotations of leading orthodox physicists and astronomers who agree. And remember that ""epicycles"", ""crystal spheres"", ""geocentricity"", ""flat earth theory"", etc., ALSO once SEEMED to explain it well, but were later proved CONCEPTUALLY WRONG. Prof. Frank H. Meyer, Professor Emeritus of UW-Superior, was/is a STRONG PROPONENT of Larson's Theory, and was (or still is) President of Larson's organization, ""THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY OF UNIFIED SCIENCE"", and Editor of their quarterly Journal ""RECIPROCITY"". He moved to Minneapolis after retiring. ""Super Collider"" BOONDOGGLE! I am AGAINST contruction of the ""Superconducting Super Collider"", in Texas or anywhere else. It would be a GROSS WASTE of money, and contribute almost NOTHING of ""scientific"" value. Most physicists don't realize it, but, according to the comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson, as described in his books, the strange GOOFY particles (""mesons"", ""hyperons"", ALLEGED ""quarks"", etc.) which they are finding in EXISTING colliders (Fermi Lab, Cern, etc.) are really just ATOMS of ANTI-MATTER, which are CREATED by the high-energy colliding beams, and which quickly disintegrate like cosmic rays because they are incompatible with their environment. A larger and more expensive collider will ONLY create a few more elements of anti-matter that the physicists have not seen there before, and the physicists will be EVEN MORE CONFUSED THAN THEY ARE NOW! Are a few more types of anti-matter atoms worth the $8.3 BILLION cost?!! Don't we have much more important uses for this WASTED money?! Another thing to consider is that the primary proposed location in Texas has a serious and growing problem with some kind of ""fire ants"" eating the insulation off underground cables. How much POISONING of the ground and ground water with insecticides will be required to keep the ants out of the ""Supercollider""?! Naming the ""Super Collider"" after Ronald Reagon, as proposed, is TOTALLY ABSURD! If it is built, it should be named after a leading particle PHYSICIST. LARSONIAN Anti-Matter In Larson's comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, anti-matter is NOT a simple case of opposite charges of the same types of particles. It has more to do with the rates of vibrations and rotations of the photons of which they are made, in relation to the vibrational and rotational equivalents of the speed of light, which Larson calls ""Unit Velocity"" and the ""Natural Datum"". In Larson's Theory, a positron is actually a particle of MATTER, NOT anti-matter. When a positron and electron meet, the rotational vibrations (charges) and rotations of their respective photons (of which they are made) neutralize each other. In Larson's Theory, the ANTI-MATTER half of the physical universe has THREE dimensions of TIME, and ONLY ONE dimension of space, and exists in a RECIPROCAL RELATIONSHIP to our MATERIAL half. LARSONIAN Relativity The perihelion point in the orbit of the planet Mercury has been observed and precisely measured to ADVANCE at the rate of 574 seconds of arc per century. 531 seconds of this advance are attributed via calculations to gravitational perturbations from the other planets (Venus, Earth, Jupiter, etc.). The remaining 43 seconds of arc are being used to help ""prove"" Einstein's ""General Theory of Relativity"". But the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson achieved results CLOSER to the 43 seconds than ""General Relativity"" can, by INSTEAD using ""SPECIAL Relativity"". In one or more of his books, he applied the LORENTZ TRANSFORMATION on the HIGH ORBITAL SPEED of Mercury. Larson TOTALLY REJECTED ""General Relativity"" as another MATHEMATICAL FANTASY. He also REJECTED most of ""Special Relativity"", including the parts about ""mass increases"" near the speed of light, and the use of the Lorentz Transform on doppler shifts, (Those quasars with red-shifts greater than 1.000 REALLY ARE MOVING FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT, although most of that motion is away from us IN TIME.). In Larson's comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, there are THREE dimensions of time instead of only one. But two of those dimensions can NOT be measured from our material half of the physical universe. The one dimension that we CAN measure is the CLOCK time. At low relative speeds, the values of the other two dimensions are NEGLIGIBLE; but at high speeds, they become significant, and the Lorentz Transformation must be used as a FUDGE FACTOR. [Larson often used the term ""COORDINATE TIME"" when writing about this.] In regard to ""mass increases"", it has been PROVEN in atomic accelerators that acceleration drops toward zero near the speed of light. But the formula for acceleration is ACCELERATION = FORCE / MASS, (a = F/m). Orthodox physicists are IGNORING the THIRD FACTOR: FORCE. In Larson's Theory, mass STAYS CONSTANT and FORCE drops toward zero. FORCE is actually a MOTION, or COMBINATIONS of MOTIONS, or RELATIONS BETWEEN MOTIONS, including INward and OUTward SCALAR MOTIONS. The expansion of the universe, for example, is an OUTward SCALAR motion inherent in the universe and NOT a result of the so-called ""Big Bang"" (which is yet another MATHEMATICAL FANTASY). THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION I wish to recommend to EVERYONE the book ""THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION"", by Dewey B. Larson, 1984, North Pacific Publishers, (P.O. Box 13255, Portland, Oregon 97213), 456 pages, indexed, hardcover. It contains the Astrophysical portions of a GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe developed by that author, an UNrecognized GENIUS, more than thirty years ago. It contains FINAL SOLUTIONS to most ALL Astrophysical mysteries, including the FORMATION of galaxies, binary and multiple star systems, and solar systems, the TRUE ORIGIN of the ""3-degree"" background radiation, cosmic rays, and gamma- ray bursts, and the TRUE NATURE of quasars, pulsars, white dwarfs, exploding galaxies, etc.. It contains what astronomers and astrophysicists are ALL looking for, if they are ready to seriously consider it with OPEN MINDS! The following is an example of his Theory's success: In his first book in 1959, ""THE STRUCTURE OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE"", Larson predicted the existence of EXPLODING GALAXIES, several years BEFORE astronomers started finding them. They are a NECESSARY CONSEQUENCE of Larson's comprehensive Theory. And when QUASARS were discovered, he had an immediate related explanation for them also. GAMMA-RAY BURSTS Astro-physicists and astronomers are still scratching their heads about the mysterious GAMMA-RAY BURSTS. They were originally thought to originate from ""neutron stars"" in the disc of our galaxy. But the new Gamma Ray Telescope now in Earth orbit has been detecting them in all directions uniformly, and their source locations in space do NOT correspond to any known objects, (except for a few cases of directional coincidence). Gamma-ray bursts are a NECESSARY CONSEQUENCE of the GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe developed by the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson. According to page 386 of his book ""THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION"", published in 1984, the gamma-ray bursts are coming from SUPERNOVA EXPLOSIONS in the ANTI-MATTER HALF of the physical universe, which Larson calls the ""Cosmic Sector"". Because of the relationship between the anti-matter and material halves of the physical universe, and the way they are connected together, the gamma-ray bursts can pop into our material half anywhere in space, seemingly at random. (This is WHY the source locations of the bursts do not correspond with known objects, and come from all directions uniformly.) I wonder how close to us in space a source location would have to be for a gamma-ray burst to kill all or most life on Earth! There would be NO WAY to predict one, NOR to stop it! Perhaps some of the MASS EXTINCTIONS of the past, which are now being blamed on impacts of comets and asteroids, were actually caused by nearby GAMMA-RAY BURSTS! LARSONIAN Binary Star Formation About half of all the stars in the galaxy in the vicinity of the sun are binary or double. But orthodox astronomers and astrophysicists still have no satisfactory theory about how they form or why there are so many of them. But binary star systems are actually a LIKELY CONSEQUENCE of the comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe developed by the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson. I will try to summarize Larsons explanation, which is detailed in Chapter 7 of his book ""THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION"" and in some of his other books. First of all, according to Larson, stars do NOT generate energy by ""fusion"". A small fraction comes from slow gravitational collapse. The rest results from the COMPLETE ANNIHILATION of HEAVY elements (heavier than IRON). Each element has a DESTRUCTIVE TEMPERATURE LIMIT. The heavier the element is, the lower is this limit. A star's internal temperature increases as it grows in mass via accretion and absorption of the decay products of cosmic rays, gradually reaching the destructive temperature limit of lighter and lighter elements. When the internal temperature of the star reaches the destructive temperature limit of IRON, there is a Type I SUPERNOVA EXPLOSION! This is because there is SO MUCH iron present; and that is related to the structure of iron atoms and the atom building process, which Larson explains in some of his books [better than I can]. When the star explodes, the lighter material on the outer portion of the star is blown outward in space at less than the speed of light. The heavier material in the center portion of the star was already bouncing around at close to the speed of light, because of the high temperature. The explosion pushes that material OVER the speed of light, and it expands OUTWARD IN TIME, which is equivalent to INWARD IN SPACE, and it often actually DISAPPEARS for a while. Over long periods of time, both masses start to fall back gravitationally. The material that had been blown outward in space now starts to form a RED GIANT star. The material that had been blown OUTWARD IN TIME starts to form a WHITE DWARF star. BOTH stars then start moving back toward the ""MAIN SEQUENCE"" from opposite directions on the H-R Diagram. The chances of the two masses falling back into the exact same location in space, making a single lone star again, are near zero. They will instead form a BINARY system, orbiting each other. According to Larson, a white dwarf star has an INVERSE DENSITY GRADIENT (is densest at its SURFACE), because the material at its center is most widely dispersed (blown outward) in time. This ELIMINATES the need to resort to MATHEMATICAL FANTASIES about ""degenerate matter"", ""neutron stars"", ""black holes"", etc.. LARSONIAN Solar System Formation If the mass of the heavy material at the center of the exploding star is relatively SMALL, then, instead of a single white dwarf star, there will be SEVERAL ""mini"" white dwarf stars (revolving around the red giant star, but probably still too far away in three-dimensional TIME to be affected by its heat, etc.). These will become PLANETS! In Chapter 7 of THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION, Larson used all this information, and other principles of his comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, to derive his own version of Bode's Law. ""Black Hole"" FANTASY! I heard that physicist Stephen W. Hawking recently completed a theoretical mathematical analysis of TWO ""black holes"" merging together into a SINGLE ""black hole"", and concluded that the new ""black hole"" would have MORE MASS than the sum of the two original ""black holes"". Such a result should be recognized by EVERYone as a RED FLAG, causing widespread DOUBT about the whole IDEA of ""black holes"", etc.! After reading Physicist Dewey B. Larson's books about his comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe, especially his book ""THE UNIVERSE OF MOTION"", it is clear to me that ""black holes"" are NOTHING more than MATHEMATICAL FANTASIES! The strange object at Cygnus X-1 is just an unusually massive WHITE DWARF STAR, NOT the ""black hole"" that orthodox astronomers and physicists so badly want to ""prove"" their theory. By the way, I do NOT understand why so much publicity is being given to physicist Stephen Hawking. The physicists and astronomers seem to be acting as if Hawking's severe physical problem somehow makes him ""wiser"". It does NOT! I wish the same attention had been given to Physicist Dewey B. Larson while he was still alive. Widespread publicity and attention should NOW be given to Larson's Theory, books, and organization (The International Society of Unified Science). ELECTRO-MAGNETIC PROPULSION I heard of that concept many years ago, in connection with UFO's and unorthodox inventors, but I never was able to find out how or why they work, or how they are constructed. I found a possible clue about why they might work on pages 112-113 of the book ""BASIC PROPERTIES OF MATTER"", by the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson, which describes part of Larson's comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe. I quote one paragraph: ""As indicated in the preceding chapter, the development of the theory of the universe of motion arrives at a totally different concept of the nature of electrical resistance. The electrons, we find, are derived from the environment. It was brought out in Volume I [Larson's book ""NOTHING BUT MOTION""] that there are physical processes in operation which produce electrons in substantial quantities, and that, although the motions that constitute these electrons are, in many cases, absorbed by atomic structures, the opportunities for utilizing this type of motion in such structures are limited. It follows that there is always a large excess of free electrons in the material sector [material half] of the universe, most of which are uncharged. In this uncharged state the electrons cannot move with respect to extension space, because they are inherently rotating units of space, and the relation of space to space is not motion. In open space, therefore, each uncharged electron remains permanently in the same location with respect to the natural reference system, in the manner of a photon. In the context of the stationary spatial reference system the uncharged electron, like the photon, is carried outward at the speed of light by the progression of the natural reference system. All material aggregates are thus exposed to a flux of electrons similar to the continual bombardment by photons of radiation. Meanwhile there are other processes, to be discussed later, whereby electrons are returned to the environment. The electron population of a material aggregate such as the earth therefore stabilizes at an equilibrium level."" Note that in Larson's Theory, UNcharged electrons are also massLESS, and are basically photons of light of a particular frequency (above the ""unit"" frequency) spinning around one axis at a particular rate (below the ""unit"" rate). (""Unit velocity"" is the speed of light, and there are vibrational and rotational equivalents to the speed of light, according to Larson's Theory.) [I might have the ""above"" and ""below"" labels mixed up.] Larson is saying that outer space is filled with mass- LESS UN-charged electrons flying around at the speed of light! If this is true, then the ELECTRO-MAGNETIC PROPULSION fields of spacecraft might be able to interact with these electrons, or other particles in space, perhaps GIVING them a charge (and mass) and shooting them toward the rear to achieve propulsion. (In Larson's Theory, an electrical charge is a one-dimensional rotational vibration of a particular frequency (above the ""unit"" frequency) superimposed on the rotation of the particle.) The paragraph quoted above might also give a clue to confused meteorologists about how and why lightning is generated in clouds. SUPPRESSION of LARSONIAN Physics The comprehensive GENERAL UNIFIED Theory of the physical universe developed by the late Physicist Dewey B. Larson has been available for more than 30 YEARS, published in 1959 in his first book ""THE STRUCTURE OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE"". It is TOTALLY UN-SCIENTIFIC for Hawking, Wheeler, Sagan, and the other SACRED PRIESTS of the RELIGION they call ""science"" (or ""physics"", or ""astronomy"", etc.), as well as the ""scientific"" literature and the ""education"" systems, to TOTALLY IGNORE Larson's Theory has they have. Larson's Theory has excellent explanations for many things now puzzling orthodox physicists and astronomers, such as gamma-ray bursts and the nature of quasars. Larson's Theory deserves to be HONESTLY and OPENLY discussed in the physics, chemistry, and astronomy journals, in the U.S. and elsewhere. And at least the basic principles of Larson's Theory should be included in all related courses at UW-EC, UW-Madison, Cambridge, Cornell University, and elsewhere, so that students are not kept in the dark about a worthy alternative to the DOGMA they are being fed. For more information, answers to your questions, etc., please consult my CITED SOURCES (especially Larson's BOOKS). UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT partial summary is ENCOURAGED. Robert E. McElwaine B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC ";2;1 "From: clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) Subject: Re: images of earth Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 16 In <1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes: >Beware. There is only one such *copyrighted* image and the company >that generated is known to protect that copyright. That image took >hundreds of man-hours to build from the source satellite images, >so it is unlikely that competing images will appear soon. So they should sue the newspaper I got it from for printing it. The article didn't say anything about copyrights. Louis -- I'm hanging on your words, Living on your breath, Feeling with your skin, Will I always be here? -- In Your Room [ DM ] ";-1;0 "From: rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Organization: The Armory Lines: 68 In article <1993Apr5.050127.22304@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >In article <1993Apr4.011042.24938@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com >(Steve Hendricks) writes: >>In article <1993Apr3.211910.21908@news.acns.nwu.edu> >>dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >>>... >>>If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault and >>>battery. Why must we add gay bashing to the list? Isn't this a sort of >>>double jeopardy? Or am I just being a fascist again? >> >>() To deter an epidemic of ""gay bashing"" that has not been deterred by >> assault laws. > >So we ought to make beating up a homosexual more illegal than beating up a >straight? Silly me, thinking that the issue was that we are all people, to be >treated equally. Thanks for straightening me out. ------------------------------ Wrong, if a bunch of faggots from the tenderloin decide to go straight bashing and they selectively target a heterosexual man and beat the bloody fuck out of him, they would get charged as well under all the federal laws that exist about violation of civils rights. The focus of their intent is his sexual orientation, and so the law applies to them as well. The national government retains the right to make any laws necessary to sufficiently deter and punish any crime against someone's civil rights until that behavior becomes so well punished that nobody even tries it! The fact is, that at last count, gays were not beating straights for their sexual orientation. Thus, the law is getting applied only to the straights who indulge themselves. The federal government or judiciary has the right to enforce the 14th amendment guarantee of equal protection under law even if it takes 1000 possible charges against people who would violate them. Go read your constitutional law. We broke the back of the KKK's harrassment campaign with the same strategy in the early 1900's. So many went to jail and for so long that it cut the heart out of the KKK. -RSW >>() No, it is not ""double jeopardy."" A single act may lead to multiple >> charges and multiple crimes. > >I think what you meant to say here was, ""With the current mutation of the US >Constitution under the current police state, someone may be charged multiple >times for one act if the victim in question is of the right shade."" A single >act should never merit more than on charge. That's almost like if four cops >got acquitted from cruel and unusual punishment charges, and the country went >and tried them again and again until they... oh.... never mind. ---------------------------------------- This ""mutation"" as you call it, protects your little butt too, if you happen to be somewhere where you're the wrong ""shade"" for somebody else's taste. If it can be shown that the motive for the assault on you was racially motivated, then the full power of these extra laws that bring more charges and punishments will come against those who harmed you. The first use of such laws was well over a hundred years ago, and constitutional scholars of all conviction recognize that this right reserved to the federal government is well established and not just some short-lived peculiarity, too! Go read some constitutional law for awhile. Maybe you'll get it. -RSW >Douglas C. Meier >dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu -------------------------- -- * Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are * * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* * * Real Men would never accept organ-slavery and will protect Women. * ";-1;0 "From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 157 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > Though some may argue about the nose of the camel, it's worth noting that > the government proposal is limited to scrambled telephony. If it is only > used for that purpose, and does not extend to electronic mail or file As usual, David Sternlight is demonstrating his inability to read. The proposal clearly states: => The initiative will involve the creation of new products to => accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure => telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. It speaks about telecommunications in general. Read it again, David. Maybe you'll understand it the next time... Nah, probably not. > encryption, then it IS an improvement over the current mass-produced > standard civilian technology which, with a few exceptions, is limited to > easy-to-break inverters. That's exactly what the government wants all sheep-minded people to think. Let's look at the current situation. It allows to almost anybody to eavesdrop almost everybody, unless secure (and I mean secure) encryption is used. What will happen when (""if""? Ha! optimists...) the new proposal gets accepted? Almost nobody EXCEPT SOME will be able to eavesdrop everybody else, but the ability of these ""some"" to eavesdrop will be guaranteed! The proposal emphasizes on the former (""almost nobody"") - which is clearly an improvement - and ""forgets"" to mention the drawbacks of the latter (""guaranteed""). Yes, my statement assumes that the next step will be to make the strong crypto unlawful. You think that it will not happen? Good luck. > Note that the big issue for the feds is the continued ability to wiretap. It's not just ""continued ability"". It's -guaranteed- ability. > Before we go off the deep end with long discusions about secure crypto for > e-mail and files, let's focus on this. Yeah, that's exactly what your government wants you to think. Let's take small steps, one at a time. Concentrate on the current one, don't think about the future. Trust us. > One question that was not asked in the release is whether this proposal is > limited to telephony, or if the government intends to expand it. It's not asked because the proposal clearly says that this is the intention. They, unlike you, read what they write. > Though I share many of the concerns expressed by some, I find the proposal > less threatening than many others, since right now most Americans have no > secure telephony, and any jerk with a pair of clip leads and a ""goat"" can > eavesdrop. This would also plug up the security hole in cellular and > cordless phones. Yes, it will. It will stop the jerk who is eavesdropping now. It will allow only to the government to eavesdrop. (If the scheme is secure, of course, which is yet to be proven.) But how do you know that the jerk you are fearing now will not get a government job tomorrow? The new proposal -guarantees- him the ability to eavesdrop then. Hell, that will even motivate him to get that job - if he indeed is that mentally pervert... > Reading between the lines, I infer that the system is highly secure > without access to the keys. Great. The Greatest Cryptographer of All Times David Sternlight (tm) has succeeded to evaluate the new system in the absense of any details whatsoever and has concluded that it is ""highly secure"". I guess, that comes from the background of working some 50 years for the two major crypto evaluating companies, right? Gee, now the government can save all that money and trouble to ask a secret council of crypto experts to secretly analyse the new secret method - for David Sternlight has already done all the job for them... > This would meet the needs of U.S. businesses > confronted by rich and powerful adversaries, including French and Japanese > security services and rich Japanese companies. It allows the NSA to make > available some of its better stuff while protecting law enforcement needs. ""Trust us, we're from the Government and we're here to help you."" > Most legitimate U.S. corporations trust the NSA, and would be delighted to > have a high-security system certified by them, even at the price of > depositing keys in escrow. I see no difficulty in creating a reliable ""Those who are prepared to trade their liberties for the promises of future safety, do not deserve either."" This (or something like that; I don't have the exact quote, but the meaning is the same) has been said by one of your great men. Maybe you should study their works more carefully, if you have the brains to understand them, of course. > From my point of view this is a fair starting point. There are concerns that > need to be addressed, including the reliability of the escrows. But in The main question is to guarantee to availability of -really- secure cryptography to the masses. Gee, if the proposal was saying ""we guarantee that every American will still have the full right to use any kind of encryption s/he would like and regard this proposal as just a default, voluntary implementation"", there would have been much less opposition... For some reason, they didn't even try to promise you that. I wonder why... Was Orwell off only by 10 years? > return we get access to high-security crypto. No, in return you get crypto that is guaranteed to be crippled. > Many have suggested that DES > and other systems may be breakable by the NSA and hence others similarly > skilled and endowed. While the above is just rumors, and while even if it is true, it is not done -easily-, the new scheme can is guaranteed to be easily breakable by anybody who has the two keys. It might be also breakable by somebody who does not have them but knows the right trick. Or who has only one of them. NSA also told you that DES is secure, why don't you simply trust them, huh? > There is at least a good possibility (which should be > checked) that the proposed system is not so breakable. It doesn't have to It is -guaranteed- to be -easily- breakable - just get the keys. It might be even easier, but until there is some evidence, this is just a wild speculation. > be, nor does it have to have trapdoors, if the government can get the keys The trapdoors -are- there. In government's hands. The keys. > pursuant to a legitimate court order. Thus they can protect legitimate > communications against economic adversaries, while still being able to > eavesdrop on crooks pursuant to a court order. Legitimate? And who decides what communications are legitimate? Oh, I guess, it's the government, right? The guys who already have the keys? It's kinda if I have the keys from your car and I am asked to decide who has the right to use it ""legitimately""... > In discussing this, let's try to avoid the nastiness, personal attacks and > noise of some previous threads. Impossible, since you are demonstrating the same level of incompetence and ignorance as in the provious threads. > This is a substantive and technical issue, > and personal remarks have no place in such a discussion. Unfortunately, I have yet to see you posting a technically competent message. Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany ";-1;0 "From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: Re: How large are commercial keys? Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr20.182038.12009@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) writes: >Finally, can anyone even concieve of a time/place where 128 bit keys aren't >sufficient? (I certainly can't - even at a trillion keys a second, it >would take about 10 billion years to search just one billionth of that keys >space.) It depends on the attack. Adding a bit to the key doubles the amount of work to be done in a straight brute-force attack, where you try every single possible key until one works. Processing and storage requirements for this kind of attack on a 128-bit key seem like they ought to make it effectively impossible. However, there may be other attacks whose difficulty is (for example) proportional to, say, 2**sqrt(n), or some such. Also, a long key does you little good if there is a way to incrementally guess a little of the key at a time.... >Thanks, >Dane --John ";-1;0 "From: gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright) Subject: mac portable internal fax modems Organization: Jack's Amazing CockRoach Capitalist Ventures Lines: 8 Does anyone know where I can still get an internal fax modem for the original mac portable? I know they were made for a while by several manufacturers, but I can't find them now. thanks for your help. Gene Wright -- gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright) ------------jackatak.raider.net (615) 377-5980 ------------ ";-1;0 "From: willner@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 19 In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > The National Air & Space Museum has both the prototype and the film. > However, quite possibly it's > no longer on display; NASM, like most museums, has much more stuff than it > can display at once, and does rotate the displays occasionally. The NASM photo archives are open to the public. All (or almost all) still pictures in the collection are available for viewing, but I don't know about films. At least it might be worth a try. I'm not sure if appointments are necessary, but I think not. Good luck, and let us know what you find. -- Steve Willner Phone 617-495-7123 Bitnet: willner@cfa Cambridge, MA 02138 USA Internet: willner@cfa.harvard.edu member, League for Programming Freedom; contact lpf@uunet.uu.net ";-1;0 "Subject: Conner CP30061G info, please From: michael@pcmith.rks.se (Michael Thurbin) Organization: Sommarvagen 1, S-352 37 Vaxjoe, SWEDEN Lines: 14 I have a Conner-disk model CP30061G (200Mb ??) with no info at all. The only thing I know is that is normally used with Compaq-machines. Please, send me information on switch-settings, geometry and so on. It looks like a normal IDE-disk but is it possible to use it with a standard IDE-controller?? -- Michael -- ************************************************************************************************** Michael Thurbin Sommarvagen 1 Phone: +46 (0)47021340 S-352 37 Vaxjoe Fax: +46 (0)47048978 SWEDEN ************************************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: c115110@cs.UAlberta.CA (Keith Scott Alan) Subject: Hockey coverage Nntp-Posting-Host: assn011.cs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 15 This is a general question for US readers: How extensive is the playoff coverage down there? In Canada, it is almost impossible not to watch a series on TV (ie the only two series I have not had an opportunity to watch this year are Wash-NYI and Chi-Stl, the latter because I'm in the wrong time zone!). We (in Canada) are basically swamped with coverage, and I wonder how many series/games are televised nationally or even locally in the US and how much precedence they take over, say, local news if the games go into double-OT. Email me so as not to waste bandwidth, please. My news feed is kind of slow anyways. l8tr ";-1;0 "From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 53 In article gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: > Clayton Cramer: >> But what came out, in much lower profile reporting, was that the >> ""victim"" was a prostitute, and the man had not paid her -- hence the >> false accusation. > There was no evidence the woman in question was a prostitute, the > defense merely alledged that she was. The fact that she was wearing a miniskirt with no underwear was presented as evidence that she was a prostitute, and the court apparently found this compelling. > Even Clayton knows the difference. Err, perhaps Clayton doesn't know > the difference. Clayton does indeed know the difference. Greg apparently doesn't. >> the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the Marines >> were engaged in self-defense. > No, the judge found that the prosecution did not carry out the burder > on proof. Because the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the Marines were engaged in self-defense. Got it, knucklehead? > A small clipping from clarinews, under fair use guidelines: > New Hanover District Court Judge Jacqueline Morris-Goodson ruled in > the benchtrial that the state failed to carry its burden in proving > the Marines acted to cause injury. Because, in part [REPEAT AFTER ME], ""the judge found that there was some credible evidence that the Marines were engaged in self-defense"". Hopefully, one of these days you will understand. > Interesting that in 2 of the 3 cases Clayton does what he accuses > others of doing. With respect to credibility, I would rate Clayton Cramer an order of magnitude higher than a) the news media, and b) homosexuals. > But I never thought Clayton was consistent. Clayton is indeed consistent. And so are you. -- The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis as this would hold such views??? | ";-1;0 "From: swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil (Steve Kirchoefer) Subject: Re: Can't Breathe Article-I.D.: ra.C526Hv.LCL Organization: Naval Research Laboratory (Electronics Science and Technology Division) Lines: 17 Getting back to the original question in this thread: I experienced breathing difficulties a few years ago similar to those described. In my case, it turned out that I was developing Type I diabetes. Although I never sought direct confirmation of this from my doctor, I think that the breathing problem was associated with the presence of ketones due to the diabetes. I think that ketosis can occur in lesser degree if one is restricting their food intake drastically. I don't know if this relevant in this case, but you might ask your daughter if she has been eating properly. -- Steve Kirchoefer (202) 767-2862 Code 6851 kirchoefer@estd.nrl.navy.mil Naval Research Laboratory Microwave Technology Branch Washington, DC 20375-5000 Electronics Sci. and Tech. Division ";4;1 "From: tdarugar@cs.ucsd.edu (Tony Darugar) Subject: Fahrenheit 1280+ problems, help! Organization: CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: tartarus.ucsd.edu Hi, I recently bought an Orchid Fahrenheit 1280+. It's a real nice card, but I'm having very big problems with it. The basic problem is that vertical lines are missing from the display in windows. Something like every other line or so. Also, when I use a DOS gif viewer, namely vpic 6.0c, in Fahrenheit 1280 mode, vertical lines are swapped. It's very strange looking. If it uses VESA standards, however, it works great! only it thinks there's only 512K on the card. (There's 1MB on there). I have contacted Orchid support, and they tried to be helpful, but didn't have the answer. I don't think the card is the problem, since it works great on my friend's computer. Here is my setup: Fahrenheit 1280+, 1MB, bios 1.1 386-25, Opti-chipset2, AMI bios 1990, 5MB ram. Maxtor 120MB harddrive, (slave) Maxtor 40Mb harddrive (master) Panasonic c1381 monitor, version 4.6 windows drivers. windows 3.1 I tried taking all memory managers, etc off, and took all other cards (besides disk controller) off. My friend's setup is 386sx-16, shamrock monitor. If anyone has seen anything like this, or can otherwise help, I will be very greatful. Please send e-mail to tdarugar@tartarus.ucsd.edu or tdarugar@ebon.ucsd.edu Tony. ";6;1 "From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Mental Illness Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 13 [reply to dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)] >Are there any case histories of severe mental illness cases remarkably >recovering after a tragic accident or trauma (eg. through nobody's fault, >being trapped in a fire and losing your legs, say)? I know of a patient who was severely and chronically depressed and tried to kill himself with a bullet to the temple. He essentially gave himself a prefrontal lobotomy, curing the depression. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell ";-1;0 "From: jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 56 In article <1993Apr15.165139.6240@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >> In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >> >In article , jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes: >> I really don't want to waste time in >> here to do battle about the legalization of drugs. If you really want to, we >> can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is! > > Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am >not eager to make a fool of myself. Oh, you foolish person. I do know what the fuck I'm talking about and will gladly demonstrate for such ignorants as yourself if you wish. The legalization of drugs will provide few if any of the benefits so highly taunted by its proponents: safer, cheaper drugs along with revenues from taxes on those drugs; reduced crime and reduced organized crime specifically; etc, etc If you would like to prove how clueless you are, we can get into why - again a lot of wasted posts that I don't think this group was intended for and something easily solved by you doing a little research. > From a pragmatic standpoint, there certainly is some justification >if it is a vice people will commit anyway. Shall we criminalize >alcohol again? If the re-legalization for alcohol were done from Making you look bad is too damn easy. The vast social and historical differences between alcohol and other drugs make this comparison worthless. >Vice statutes serve >only to make it more expensive for the rich and more dangerous >for the poor, as Tim so eloquently put it. People will, however, And so it shall be if the government (by the people) decides that these vices are detrimental to the society as a whole. > And why, pray tell, is AIDS ""victim"" in snear quotes? Are you of >the revisionist sort that thinks there is no such thing as the AIDS >plauge? Or do they just deserve it? The overwhelmingly vast majority (get the point) of AIDS cases are contracted thru behavioral CHOICES. Nuff said. ";18;1 "From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Article-I.D.: rave.1pseebINNhn6 Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov In article <1993Apr6.092913.18724@sei.cmu.edu> rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito) writes: > >In article <1pkveuINNduk@gap.caltech.edu>, Joseph Chiu writes: > >> The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus >> our use of the Ohms... > > >Yeah, right. And the company was started by George Simon Ohmite. That's completely inaccurate. The ohm was an original standard made equal to a the resistance of a standardized electric stove heating element. That's where the song ""Ohm on the Range"" came from, of course. --scott ";-1;0 "From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: WANTED: HP ScanJet (and ADF) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 10 I need some used scanners. I'm limiting my selection to HP models with document feeders. I think this means the ScanJet Plus and the ScanJet IIc. so...if you have one of these and want to sell it, please tell me. --kyler P.S. I need only one with a Mac interface; the others are for IBM-PC compatibles. ";-1;0 "From: swiers@chaos.aqeng.cdc.com (Aaron Swiers) Subject: Re: Increasing the number of Serial ports Organization: Control Data Systems Inc. Lines: 16 slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) writes: >Does anyone know if there are any devices available for the Mac which >will increase the number of serial ports available for use >simultaneously? I would like to connect up to 8 serial devices to my >Mac for an application I am working on. I must be able to access each >one of the independently. Applied Engineering makes a NuBus card called the QuadraLink which is a board that contains 4 serial ports, which I believe can be used simultaneously. I'm not a user of one of these, but I have installed a couple for people at work (I'm a technician). Hope this helps. -- Aaron Swiers Control Data Corporation, Arden Hills MN swiers@chaos.aqeng.cdc.com Electrical Engineering student, U of ND swiers@plains.nodak.edu ";-1;0 "From: ddlin@athena.mit.edu (David D Lin) Subject: Daigle/Kariya Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 2 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: e51-007-12.mit.edu I hear Daigle will eb the first pick next year. What is the word on Kariya??? Anybody ever seen him play on TV???? Is he also entering the draft??? ";-1;0 "From: tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price) Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 17 In article revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille) writes: >James Sledd (jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu) wrote: >: Are the Serbs doing the work of God? Hmm... >: > >Are you suggesting that God supports genocide? >Perhaps the Germans were ""punishing"" Jews on God's behalf? > >Any God who works that way is indescribably evil, and unworthy of >my worship or faith. You might want to re-think your attitude about the Holocaust after reading Deuteronomy chapter 28. Tom Price | tp0x@cs.cmu.edu | Free will? What free will? ***************************************************************************** plutoniumsurveillanceterroristCIAassassinationIranContrawirefraudcryptology ";17;1 "From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen) Subject: Re: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NHL expansion) Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 40 : FINLAND: : : D-Jyrki Lumme.......20 : D-Teppo Numminen....20 : D-Peter Ahola.......13 : Well well, they don't like our defenders (mainly Lumme and Numminen)... : C-Jari Kurri........25 : C-Christian Ruuttu..16 : Now, do YOU think that Ruuttu is only worth 16 ? I think it might be 20. : R-Teemu Selanne.....27 : Compared to Kurri, Selanne's points are too high, lets make it 25 or 26. : well in the Canada Cup and World Championships largely due to the efforts of : Markus Ketterer (the goalie), 3-4 or the players listed above and luck. There's : presumably a lot of decent players in Finland that wouldn't be superstars at : the highest level but still valuable role players, however. My guess would be : that the Finnish Canada Cup team would be a .500 team in the NHL. Wow, now, it looks like you don't like our players? What about guys like: Nieminen, Jutila, Riihijarvi, Varvio, Laukkanen, Makela, Keskinen and (even if he is aging) Ruotsalainen? The main difference between finnish and North- American players is, that our players tend to be better in the larger rink. The Canadian defenders are usually slower that defenders in Europe. And I think that there was more in our success than Ketterer and luck (though they helped). I think that the main reason was, that the team worked well together. -- *********************************************************************** * 'Howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl howl gargle howl gargle howl* * howl gargle gargle howl gargle gargle gargle howl slurrp uuuurgh' * * -Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz * *********************************************************************** -Marko Poutiainen mep@phoenix.oulu.fi ";-1;0 "From: dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) Subject: Re: Too many MRIs? Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr19.043654.13068@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.165410.4206@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes: >> >>I recall reading somewhere, during my youth, in some science popularization >>book, that whyle isotope changes don't normally affect chemistry, a consumption >>of only heavy water would be fatal, and that seeds watered only with heavy >>water do not sprout. Does anyone know about this? >> > >I also heard this. I always thought it might make a good eposide of >'Columbo' for someone to be poisoned with heavy water - it wouldn't >show up in any chemical test. That would be a very expensive toxin indeed! -- | Daniel R. Field, AKA InfoSpunj | Joe: ""Are you late?"" | | dfield@oboe.calpoly.edu | Dan: ""No, but I'm working on it!"" | | Biochemistry, Biotechnology | | | California Polytechnic State U | | ";-1;0 "From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") Subject: Space Event in Los Angeles, CA X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 52 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: OASIS (310) 364-2290 15 April 1993 Los Angeles, CA LOCAL NATIONAL SPACE SOCIETY CHAPTERS SPONSOR TALK BY L.A. ADVOCATE OF LUNAR POWER SYSTEM AS ENERGY SOURCE FOR THE WORLD On April 21, the OASIS and Ventura County chapters of the National Space Society will sponsor a talk by Lunar Power System (LPS) co- inventor and vice-president of the LPS Coalition, Dr. Robert D. Waldron. It will be held at 7:30 p.m. at the Rockwell Science Center in Thousand Oaks, CA. Dr. Waldron is currently a Technical Specialist in Space Materials Processing with the Space Systems Division of Rockwell International in Downey, California. He is a recognized world authority on lunar materials refinement. He has written or coauthored more than 15 articles or reports on nonterrestrial materials processing or utilization. Along with Dr. David Criswell, Waldron invented the lunar/solar power system concept. Momentum is building for a coalition of entrepreneurs, legal experts, and Soviet and U.S. scientists and engineers to build the Lunar Power System, a pollution-free, energy source with a potential to power the globe. For the past three years members of the coalition, nearly half from California, have rejuvenated the commercial and scientific concept of a solar power system based on the Moon. The LPS concept entails collecting solar energy on the lunar surface and beaming the power to Earth as microwaves transmitted through orbiting antennae. A mature LPS offers an enormous source of clean, sustainable power to meet the Earth's ever increasing demand using proven, basic technology. OASIS (Organization for the Advancement of Space Industrialization) is the Greater Los Angeles chapter of the National Space Society, which is an international non-profit organization that promotes development of the space frontier. The Ventura County chapter is based in Oxnard, CA. WHERE: Rockwell Science Center Auditorium, 1049 Camino Dos Rios, Thousand Oaks, CA. DIRECTIONS: Ventura Freeway 101 to Thousand Oaks, exit onto Lynn Road heading North (right turn from 101 North, Left turn from 101 South), after about 1/2 mile turn Left on Camino Dos Rios, after about 1/2 mile make First Right into Rockwell after Camino Colindo, Parking at Top of Hill to the Left ";-1;0 "From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) Subject: Re: Quadra 900/950 differences Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 43 jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes: >jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes: >>rdk2@cec2.wustl.edu (Robert David Klapper) writes: >>> I also believe that the 950 fixed a bug in the CPU which screwed up >>>some floating point calculations. >>>-- >>>Robert D. Klapper >>>Washington University in St. Louis >>>rdk2@cec2.wustl.edu >>>Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. >>Does someone have any definite information on this. This is the >>first I've heard of it. How does the CPU get fixed by a hardware >>upgrade? This doesn't make much sense to me. >Let's see now... The differences between the 950 and 900 are >basically: > 1. Runs at 33MHz, not 25MHz > 2. Has 25MHz I/O bus, not 16MHz > 3. Upgraded Graphics controller > 4. #3 results in Q950 requiring 80ns VRAM, not 100ns > 5. ROM fixes: > a. rounding errors in floating point calculations > at 15th digit So patch the ROMs with the latest OS version. I don't see how this is a problem. > b. Ethernet problems with more than 16 buffers >So, no doubt, the person was refering to 5a, hardly ""screwing >up"" though :) >-- > Jim Jagielski | ""And he's gonna stiff me. So I say, > jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov | 'Hey! Lama! How about something, > NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4 | you know, for the effort!'"" > Greenbelt, MD 20771 | ";-1;0 "From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? Article-I.D.: optilink.15218 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 25 In article , radagast@honour.welly.gen.nz (Radagast) writes: > cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: # # Unfortunately, homosexuals don't believe in this concept of freedom. # # They believe that they have a right to FORCE people to hire them, # # rent to them, and do business with them, regardless of the feelings # # or beliefs of the other person. # # "") Subject: Re: Classic CDs 4 sale!! Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 7 Hey, I can't send mail to you, so.... Could you please resend me your address? I lost it (for H. in Moscow) Thanks, Jon ";-1;0 "From: jschief@finbol.toppoint.de (Joerg Schlaeger) Subject: Re: difference between VLB and ISA/EISA Distribution: world Organization: myself Lines: 24 hurley@epcot.spdc.ti.com writes in article <1993Apr14.090534.6892@spdc.ti.com>: > > What about VLB and a 486dx50. Does the local bus still run at 33Mhz or does > it try to run at 50Mhz??? > > > Brian > > Hi, VLB is defined for 3 cards by 33MHz and 2 cards by 40MHz there are designs with 50MHz and 2 VLB-Slots. (s. C't 9.92, 10.92, 11.92) 50MHz and 2 Slots are realy difficult to design. Better OSs (OS/2 & iX) are able to handle more than 16MB of DRAM, if you use EISA-Bus. Has someone experience with VLB ?? I think of SCSI-VLB-Busmaster. The problem is the 16bit Floppy DMA controller, which is unable to reach more than 16MB. Joerg ";-1;0 "From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. Lines: 24 In article khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes: >How would a man of 7th Century Arabia have known >what *not to include* in the Holy Qur'an (assuming he had authored >it)? > So now we're judging the Qur'an by what's not in it? How many mutton headed arguments am I going to have to wade through today? >Lots of other books have been written on this subject. Those >books can speak far more eloquently than I. One would hope. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ";-1;0 "From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr15.223029.23340@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: >In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >> Wasn't the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver, so he >>could see where he was backing up??? Although reverse lights on the sides > >No. reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up. They >aren't bright enough to (typically) see by without the brake and tail >lights. I don't know where you live, but I couldn't get out of my driveway at night without reverse lights. As someone said, out in the country you notice neat little things like stars and the difference between day and night. At night around my house (which is amongst a forest of rather tall oaks) it is DARK, except for nights with full moons. Reverse lights illuminate my path very well when backing up; I greatly prefer cars with them to cars without operational reverse lights. James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" ";10;1 "From: carl@lvsun.com (Carl Shapiro) Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits Summary: Benefits probably greater than thought Organization: Las Vegas Sun Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr20.203756.20667@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson) writes: >A rough estimate suggests that wiretaps are worth about five million >dollars per year to U.S. law enforcement agencies. (In 1990, 872 U.S. >wiretaps led to 2057 arrests, while total police expenditures of $28 >billion led to 11.25 million arrests [ref US Statistical Abstracts].) >I'm working on estimating this wiretap benefit more accurately, but You seem to be assuming that all arrests are of equal value, and that the use of wiretaps is spread uniformly among them. Given this comparatively tiny number of wiretaps, and the associated difficulty and cost involved (judges, technicians, etc) I expect that law enforcement reserves the use of wiretaps for the most valuable cases. Since the ""value"" of an arrest can vary over an enormous range (eg. jaywalking -> mass murder) I think your $5 million estimate may be too low by a couple of orders of magnitude. ";-1;0 "From: leblanc@cvm.msu.edu (Pat Leblanc) Subject: wireless data transfer Organization: Michigan State University, College of Veterinary Medicine Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: inst0027.cvm.msu.edu I am involved with a Michigan company that has an application requiring wireless data transfer. If you have expertise or information that may assist us in this project, please contact me (INTERNET: leblanc@cvm.msu. edu). ";-1;0 "From: wynblatt@sbgrad5.cs.sunysb.edu (Michael Wynblatt) Subject: Re: TIGERS Keywords: Tigers Nntp-Posting-Host: sbgrad5 Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 15 In article <93104.100921RK0VSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET> Ryan Kearns writes: >I think that the Detroit Tigers are the greatest baseball organization of all >time. ... [shameless woofing deleted] On behalf of the rest of us Tiger fans out here, I appoligize for this shameless woofing. We try to keep it to a minimum, but we did WIN A GAME the other day, so sometimes it's hard to control. see: Phillies Fans :-) Michael ";14;1 "From: hintmatt@cwis.isu.edu (HINTZE_MATTHEW) Subject: Re: Diamond Stelth 24- any good? Organization: Idaho State University, Pocatello Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: cwis.isu.edu I bought the diamond stealth 24 a few months ago. it seems to be a great card especially with my multimedia presentations. It runs graphics and animation as well as some near full motion video very well. The only thing I can tell that it lacks is speed above 256 colors. Its qualit in between 256 and 16.7 million collors un unreal but you definitly compromise speed. It seems to be a great card for graphics and it comes with some great software, but Im not so sure about the excelerator part. I used to own a paridise and it doesnt seem to be much faster than that. One thing I do like is that it loads its own vesa driver from ROM at startup, (I think) because I have never had to load it for links386 or any other programs that require special VESA drivers at startup. gromi a16pd HINTMATT@BA.BA.ISU.EDU -- ";-1;0 "From: nfotis@ntua.gr (Nick C. Fotis) Subject: (17 Apr 93) Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY [part 2/3] Lines: 1023 Reply-To: nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr (Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis) Organization: National Technical Univ. of Athens Archive-name: graphics/resources-list/part2 Last-modified: 1993/04/17 Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY POSTING [ PART 2/3 ] =================================================== Last Change : 17 April 1993 14. Plotting packages ===================== Gnuplot 3.2 ----------- It is one of the best 2- and 3-D plotting packages, with online help.It's a command-line driven interactive function plotting utility for UNIX, MSDOS, Amiga, Archimedes, and VMS platforms (at least!). Freely distributed, it supports many terminals, plotters, and printers and is easily extensible to include new devices. It was posted to comp.sources.misc in version 3.0, plus 2 patches. You can practically find it everywhere (use Archie to find a site near you!). The comp.graphics.gnuplot newsgroup is devoted to discussion of Gnuplot. Xvgr and Xmgr (ACE/gr) ----------------------- Xmgr is an XY-plotting tool for UNIX workstations using X or OpenWindows. There is an XView version called xvgr for Suns. Collectively, these 2 tools are known as ACE/gr. Compiling xmgr requires the Motif toolkit version 1.1 and X11R4 - xmgr will not compile under X11R3/Motif 1.0x. Check at ftp.ccalmr.ogi.edu [129.95.72.34} in /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xmgr-2.09.tar.Z (Motif version) /CCALMR/pub/acegr/xvgr-2.09.tar.Z (XView version) Comments, suggestions, bug reports to Paul J Turner (if mail fails, try pturner@ese.ogi.edu). Due to time constraints, replies will be few and far between. Robot ----- Release 0.45 : 2-D and limited 3-D. Based on XView 3, written in C / Fortran (so you need a Fortran compiler or the f2c translator). Mainly tested on Sun4, less on DECstations. Check at ftp.astro.psu.edu (128.118.147.28), pub/astrod. VG plotting library ------------------- This is a library of Fortran callable routines at sunspot.ceee.nist.gov [129.6.64.151] Xgobi ----- It's being developed at Bellcore, and its speciality are multidimensional data sets analysis and exploration. You can call it from the S language also, and it works as an X11 client using the Athena widget set (or with an ASCII terminal). It's distributed free of charge from STATLIB at CMU. To get it via e-mail, send email to statlib@temper.stat.cmu.edu and in the body area of the message, put the line send xgobi from general If you want to pick it via ftp, connect to lib.stat.cmu.edu. Log in as ""statlib"" and use your e-mail address as your password. Then type cd general mget xgobi.* Warning: It's about 2 MB sources + large Postscript manual. Read the relevant README to decide whether you need it or not. PGPLOT ------ Runs on VAX/VMS and supposedly on UNIX. It's a set of fortran routines freely available (though copyrighted and requiring a nominal fee of $50 or so) that includes contour plots and support for various devices, including ps. Contact tjp@deimos.caltech.edu GGRAPH ------ Host shorty.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.2.8] : /pub/ggraph.tar.Z Unknown more details. epiGRAPH -------- For PCs. Call dvj@lab2.phys.lgu.spb.su (Vladimir J. Dmitriev) for details. You can get the program demo or (and) play version, if sent 10 $ to 1251 Budapest posta fiok 60 Hungary ph/fax 1753696 Budapest ph 2017760 Multiplot XLN ------------- For Amigas, shareware ($30 USD, #20 UK or $40 Aust.). Advanced 2D package that has a big list of features. Contact: Dr. Alan Baxter , Cambridge University Department of Pathology, Tennis Court Road, Cambridge CB2 1QP, UK +Athena Plotter Widget set +------------------------- + + This version V6.0 is based on Gregory Bond's version V5-beta. Added + some stuff for scientific graphs, i.e. log axes, free scalable axes, + XY-lineplots and some more, and re-added plotter callbacks from V4, e.g. + to request the current pointer position, or to cut off a rectangle from the + plotting area for zooming-in. Version V6.0 has a log of bugs fixed and a + log of improvements against V6-beta. Additionally I did some other + changes/extensions, besides + + - Origin and frame lines for axes. + - Subgrid lines on subtic positions. + - Line plots in different line types (lines, points, lines+points, + impulses, lines+impulses, steps, bars), line styles (solid, dotted, + dashed, dot-dashed) and marker types for data points. + - Legend at the right or left hand side of the plot. + - Optional drawing to a pixmap instead of a window. + - Layout callback for aligning axis positions when using + multiple plotters in one application. + + Available at export.lcs.mit.edu, directory contrib/plotter + +SciPlot +------- + SciPlot is a scientific 2D plotting and manipulation program. + For the NeXT (requires NeXTStep 3.0), and it's shareware. + + Features: + ASCII import and export; EPS export; copy, cut, paste with data buffer; + free number of data points, data buffer, and document window; + selective open and save ; plotting in many styles; automatic legend; + subviews; linear and logarithmic axes; two different axes; text and graphic; + color support; zoom; normalizing and moving; axis conversions; + free hand data manipulations (cut, edit, move, etc.); data editor; sorting + of data; absolute,relative, and free defined error bars; + calculating with buffers (+, -, *, / ); background subtractions + (linear,shirley,tougaard, bezier); integration and relative integration; + fitting of one or more free defined functions; linear regression; + calculations (+, -, *, /, sin, cos, log, etc.); function generator; + spline interpolation; least square smooth and FFT smooth; differentiation; + FFT; ESCA calculations and database; .. and something more + + You can find it on: + ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.7] : /pub/NeXT/science/SciPlot3.1.tar.Z + + Author: + Michael Wesemann + Scillerstr. 73,1000 Berlin 12, Germany + mike@fiasko.rz-berlin.mpg.de + +PLPLOT +------ + PLPLOT is a scientific plotting package for many systems, small (micro) + and large (super) alike. Despite its small size and quickness, + it has enough power to satisfy most users, including: + standard x-y plots, semilog plots, log-log plots, contour plots, 3D plots, + mesh plots, bar charts and pie charts. Multiple graphs (of the same or + different sizes) may be placed on a single page with multiple lines in each + graph. Different line styles, widths and colors are supported. A virtually + infinite number of distinct area fill patterns may be used. There are + almost 1000 characters in the extended character set. This includes four + different fonts, the Greek alphabet and a host of mathematical, musical, and + other symbols. The fonts can be scaled to any size for various effects. + Many different output device drivers are available (system dependent), + including a portable metafile format and renderer. + + Freely available (but copyrighted) via anonymous FTP on + hagar.ph.utexas.edu, directory pub/plplot + + At present (v. 4.13), PLPLOT is known to work on the following systems: + + Unix: SunOS, A/IX, HP-UX, Unicos, DG/UX, Ultrix + Other platforms: VMS, Amiga/Exec, MS-DOS, OS/2, NeXT + + Authors: Many. The main supporters are: + + Maurice LeBrun : PLPLOT kernel and the metafile, + xterm, xwindow, tektronix, and Amiga drivers. + Geoff Furnish : MS-DOS and OS/2 drivers + Tony Richardson : PLPLOT on the NeXT + +SuperMongo +---------- + 2-D plotting package at CMU, filename ~re00/tmp/SM.2.1.0.tar.Z + (probably under the ftp.cmu.edu or andrew.cmu.edu machines?) + +GLE +--- + GLE is a high quality graphics package for scientists. It runs on a + variety of platforms (PCs, VAXes, and Unix) with drivers for XWindows, + REGIS, TEK4010, PC graphics cards, VT100s, HP plotters, Postscript + printers, Epson-compatible printers and Laserjet/Paintjet printers. It + provides LaTEX quality fonts, as well as full support for Postscript + fonts. The graphing module provides full control over all features of + graphs. The graphics primitives include user-defined subroutines for + complex pictures and diagrams. + + Accompanying utilities include Surface (for hidden line surface + plotting), Contour (for contour plots), Manip (for manipulation of + columnar data files), and Fitls (for fitting arbitrary equations to + data). + + Mailing list: GLEList. Send a message to + + listserver@tbone.biol.scarolina.edu, with a message boyd containing + + sub glelist ""Your Name"" + + maintainer: Dean Pentcheff ========================================================================== 15. Image analysis software - Image processing and display ========================================================== PC and Mac-based tools (multi-platform software) ====================== IMDISP ------ IMDISP Written at JPL and other NASA sites. Can do simple display, enhancing, smoothing and so on. Works with the FITS and VICAR/PDS data formats of NASA. Can read TIFF images, if you know their dimensions [PC and Macs] LabVIEW 2 --------- LabVIEW is used as a framework for image processing tools. It provides a graphical programming environment using block diagram sketch is the ""program"" with graphical elements representing the programming elements. Hundreds of functions are already available and are connected using a wiring tool to create the block diagram (program). Functions that the block diagrams represent include digital signal processing and filtering, numerical analysis, statistics, etc. The tool allows any Virtual Instrument (VI, a software file that looks and acts like a real laboratory instrument) to be used as a part of any other virtual instrument. National Instruments markets plug-in digital signal processing (DSP) boards for Macintoshs and PC compatables that allow real-time acquisition and analysis at a personal computer. New software tools for DSP are allowing engineers to harness the power of this technology. The tools range from low-level debugging software to high-level block diagram development software. There are three levels of DSP programming associated with the NB-DSP2300 board and LabVIEW: Use of the NB-DSP2300 Analysis Library: FFTs, power spectra, filters routines callable from THINK C and Macintosh Programers Workshop (MPW) C that execute on the NB-DSP2300 board. There is an analysis Virtual Interface Library of ready-to-use VIs optimized for the NB-DSP2300. Use of the National Instruments Developers Toolkit that includes an optimizing C compiler, an assembler and a linker for low-level programming of the DSP hardware. This approach offers the highest level of performance but is the must difficult in terms of ease of use. Use of the National Instruments Interface Kit software package which has utility functions for memory management data communications and downloading code to the NB-DSP2300 board. (This is the easiest route for the development of custom code.) Ultimage Concept VI ------------------- Concept VI by Graftek-France is a family of image processing Virtual Instruments (VIs) that give LabVIEW 2 (described above) users high-end tools for designing, integrating and monitoring imaging control systems. A VI is a software file that looks and acts like a real laboratory instrument. Typical applications for Concept VI include thermography, surveillance, machine vision, production testing, biomedical imaging, electronic microscopy and remote sensing. Ultimage Concept VI addresses applications which require further qualitative and quantitative analysis. It includes a complete set of functions for image enhancement, histogram equalization, spatial and frequency filtering, isolation of features, thresholding, mathematical morphology analysis, density measurement, object counting, sizing and characterization. The program loads images with a minimum resolution of 64 by 64, a pixel depth of 8, 16, or 32 bits, and one image plane. Standard input and output formats include PICT, TIFF, SATIE, and AIPD. Other formats can be imported. Image enhancement features include lookup table transformations, spatial linear and non-linear filters, frequency filtering, arithmetic and logic operations, and geometric transformations, among others. Morphological transformations include erosion, dilation, opening, closing, hole removal, object separation, and extraction of skeletons, among others. Quantitative analysis provides for objects' detection, measurement, and morphological distribution. Measures include area, perimeter, center of gravity, moment of inertia, orientation, length of relevant chords, and shape factors and equivalence. Measures are saved in ASCII format. The program also provides for macro scripting and integration of custom modules. A 3-D view command plots a perspective data graph where image intensity is depicted as mountains or valleys in the plot. The histogram tool can be plotted with either a linear or logarithmic scale. The twenty-eight arithmetic and logical operations provide for: masking and averaging sections of images, noise removal, making comparisons, etc. There are 13 spatial filters that alter pixel intensities based on local intensity. These include high-pass filters for contrast and outlines. The frequency data resulting from FFT analysis can be displayed as either the (real , imaginary ) components or the (phase, magnitude) data. The morphological transformations are useful for data sharpening and defining objects or for removing artifacts. The transformations include: thresholding, eroding, dilating and even hole filling. The program's quantitative analysis measurements include: area, perimeter, center of mass, object counts, and angle between points. GTFS, Inc. 2455 Bennett Valley Road #100C Santa Rosa, CA 95494 707-579-1733 IPLab Spectrum -------------- IPLAB Spectrum supports image processing and analysis but lacks the morphology and quantitative analysis features provided by Graftek-FranceUs Ultimage Concept VI. Using scripting tools, the user tells the system the operations to be performed. The problem is that far too many basic operations require manual intervention. The tool supports: FFTs, 16 arithmetic operations for pixel alteration, and a movie command for cycling through windows. Macintosh-based tools ===================== NCSA Image, NCSA PalEdit and more --------------------------------- NCSA provides a whole suite of public-domain visualization tools for the Macintosh, primarily aimed at researchers wanting to visualize results from numerical modelling calculations. These applications, documentation, and source code are available for anonymous ftp from ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu. Commercial versions of the NCSA programs have been developed by Spyglass. Spyglass, Inc. 701 Devonshire Drive Champaign, IL 61820 (217) 355-6000 fax: 217 355 8925 NIH IMAGE --------- Available at alw.nih.gov (128.231.128.7) or (preferably) zippy.nimh.nih.gov [128.231.98.32], directory:/pub/image. It has painting and image manipulation tools, a macro language, tools for measuring areas, distances and angles, and for counting things. Using a frame grabber card, it can record sequences of images to be played back as a movie. It can invoke user-defined convolution matrix filters, such as Gaussian. It can import raw data in tab-delimited ASCII, or as 1 or 2-byte quantities. It also does histograms and even 3-D plots. It is limited to 8-bits/pixel, though the 8 bits map into a color lookup table. It runs on any Mac that has a 256-color screen and a FPU (or get the NonFPU version from zippy.nimh.nih.gov) PhotoMac -------- Data Translation, Inc. 100 Locke Dr. Marlboro, MA 01752 508-481-3700 PhotoPress ---------- Blue Solutions 3039 Marigold Place Thousand Oaks, CA 91360 805-492-9973 PixelTools and TCL-Image ------------------------ ""Complete family of PixelTools (hardware accelerator and applications software) for scientific image processing and analysis. Video-rate capture, display, processing, and analysis of high-resolution monochromatic and color images. Includes C source code."" TCL-Image: ""Software package for scientific, quantitative image processing and analysis. It provides a complete language for the capture, enhancement, and extraction of quantitative information from gray-scale images. TCL_Image has over 200 functions for image processing, and contains the other elements needed in a full programming language for algorithm development -- variables and control structures. It is easily extensible through ""script"" (or indirect command) files. These script files are simply text files that contain TCL-Image commands. They are executed as normal commands and include the ability to pass parameters. The direct capture of video images is supported via popular frame grabber boards. TCL-Image comes with the I-View utility that provides conversion between common image file types, such as PICT2 and TIFF."" Perceptics 725 Pellissippi Parkway Knoxville, TN 37933 615-966-9200 Satellite Image Workshop ------------------------ It comes with a number of satellite pictures (raw data) and does all sorts of image enhancing on it. You'll need at least a Mac II with co- processor; a 256 color display and a large harddisk. The program doesn't run under system 7.x.ATE1 V1 In the documentation the contact address is given as: Liz Smith, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 300-323, 4800 Oak Grove Dr,.Pasadena, CA 91109 (818) 354-6980 Visualization Workbench ----------------------- ""An electronic imaging software system that performs interactive image analysis and scientific 2D and 3D plotting."" Paragon Imagine 171 Lincoln St. Lowell, MA 01852 508-441-2112 Adobe Photoshop --------------- The tool supports Rtrue colorS with 24-bit images or 256 levels of grey scale. Once an image has been imported it can be Rre-touchedS with various editing tools typical of those used in Macintosh-based RpaintS applications. These include an eraser, pencil, brush and air brush. Advanced RpasteS tools that control the interaction between a pasted selection and the receiving site have also been incorporated. For example, all red pixels in a selection can easily be preventing from being pasted. Photoshop has transparencies ranging from 0 to 100%, allowing you to create ghost overlays. RPhoto-editingS tools include control of the brightness and contrast, color balancing, hue/saturation modification and spectrum equalization. Images can be subjected to various signal processing algorithms to smooth or sharpen the image, blur edges, or locate edges. Image scaling is also supported. For storage savings, the images can be compressed using standard algorithms, including externally supplied compression such as JPEG, availlable from Storm Technologies. The latest version of Adobe Photoshop supports the import of numerous image formats including: EPSF, EPSF, TIFF, PICT resource, Amiga IFF/ILBM, CompuServe GIF, MacPaint, PIXAR, PixelPaint, Scitex CT, TGA and ThunderScan.. Adobe Systems, Inc. 1585 Charlestown Road PO Box 7900 Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 415-961-4400 ColorStudio and ImageStudio --------------------------- ColorStudio is an image-editing and paint package from Letraset that has more features than Adobe Photoshop but is decidedly more complex and therefore more difficult to use. Several steps are often required to accomplish that which can be done in a single step using Photoshop. The application requires a great deal of available disk space as one can easily end up with images in the 30 MB range. The program provides a variety of powerful selection tools including the ""auto selection tool"" which lets the user choose image areas on the basis of color, close hues, color range and mask. ImageStudio: Don't know... Letraset USA 40 Eisenhower Drive Paramus, NJ 07653 201-845-6100 Dapple Systems -------------- ""High resolution image analysis software provides processing tools to work with multiple images, enhance and edit, and measure a variety of global or feature parameters, and interpret the data."" Dapple Systems, 355 W. Olive Ave, #100 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 408-733-3283 Digital Darkroom ---------------- The latest release of Digital Darkroom has five new selection and editing tools for enhancing images. One such feature allows the user to select part of an image simply by ""painting"" it. A new polyline selection tool creates a selection tool for single pixel wide selections. A brush lets the operator ""paint"" with a selected portion of the image. Note that this is not a true color image enhancement tool. This tool should be used when the user intends to operate in grey-scale images only. It should be noted that Digital Darkroom is not as powerful as either Adobe Photoshop or ColorStudio. Silicon Beach Software 9770 Carroll Ctr. Rd., Suite J San Diego, CA 92126 619-695-6956 Dimple ------ It is compatible with system 6.05 and system 7.0 , requires Mac LC or II series with 256 colours, with a recommended min of 6Mb of ram. It has the capability of reading Erdas files. Functions include; image enhancement, 3D and contour plots, image statistics, supervised and unsupervised classification, PCA and other image transformations. There is also a means (Image Operation Language or IOL) by which you can write your own transformations. There is no image rectification, however Dimple is compatable with MAPII. The latest version is 1.4 and it is in the beta stage of testing. Dimple was initially developed as a teaching tool and it is very good for this purpose."" ""Dimple runs on a colour Macintosh. It is a product still in its development phase.. i.e. it doesn't have all the inbuilt features of other packages, but is coming along nicely. It has its own inbuilt language for writing ""programs"" for processing an image, defining convolution filters etc. Dimple is a full mac application with pull down menus etc... It is unprotected software."" Process Software Solutions, PO Box 2110, Wollongong, New South Wales, Australia. 2500. Phone 61 42 261757 Fax 61 42 264190. Enhance ------- Enhance has a RrulerS tool that supports measurements and additionally provides angle data. The tool has over 80 mathematical filter variations: ""Laplacian, medium noise filter"", etc. Files can be saved as either TIFF, PICT, EPSF or text (however EPSF files can't be imported). MicroFrontier 7650 Hickman Road Des Moines, IA 50322 515-270-8109 Image Analyst ------------- An image processing product for users who need to extract quantitative data from video images. Image Analyst lets users configure sophisticated image processing and measurement routines without the necessity of knowing a programming language. It is designed for such tasks at computing number and size of cells in images projected by video cameras attached to microscopes, or enhancing and measuring distances in radiographs. Image Analyst provides users with an array of field-proven video analysis techniques that enable them to easily assemble a sequence of instructions to enhance feature appearance; count objects; determine density, shape, size, position, or movement; perform object feature extraction; and conduct textural analysis automatically. Image Analyst works with either a framegrabber board and any standard video camera, or a disk-stored image. Within minutes, without the need for programming, the Image Analyst user can set up a process to identify and analyze any element of a image. Measurements and statistics can be automatically or semi-automatically generated from TIFF or PICT files or from captured video tape images. Image Analyst recognizes items in images based on their size, shape and position. The tool provides direct support for the Data Translation and Scion frame grabbers. A menu command allows for image capture from a VCR video camera or other NTSC or PAL devices. There are 2 types of files, the image itself and the related Sequence file that holds the processing, measurements and analysis that the user defines. Automated sequences are set up in Regions Of Interest (ROI) represented by movable, sizable boxes atop the image. Inside a ROI, the program can find the distance between two edges, the area of a shape, the thickness of a wall, etc. Image Analyst finds the center, edge and other positions automatically. The application also provides tools so that the user can work interactively to find the edge of object. It also supports histograms and a color look-up table (CLUT) tool. Automatix, Inc. 775 Middlesex Turnpike Billerica, MA 01821 508-667-7900 IPLab ----- Signal Analytics Corp. 374 Maple Ave. E Vienna, VA 22180 703-281-3277 FAX 703-281-2509 ""Menu-driven image processing software that supports 24-bit color or pseudocolor/grayscale image display and manipulation."" MAP II ------ Among the Mac GIS systems, MAP II distributed by John Wiley has integrated image analysis. IMAGE ----- from Stanford : Try anonymous ftp from sumex-aim.stanford.edu It has pd source for image v2, and ready to run code for a mac under image v3. Windows/DOS PC-based tools ========================== CCD --- Richard Berry's CCD imaging book for Willamon-Bell contains (optional?) disks with image manipulating software. Source code is included. ERDAS ----- ""ERDAS will do all of the things you want: rectification, classification, transformations (canned & user-defined), overlays, filters, contrast enhancement, etc. ... I was using it on my thesis & then changed the topic a bit & that work became secondary."" ERDAS, Inc. 2801 Buford Highway Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30329 404-248-9000 FAX 404-248-9400 RSVGA ----- ""I have been getting up to speed on a program called RSVGA available from Eidetic Digital Image Ltd. in British Columbia. Its for IBM PC's or clones, cheap (about $400) and does all the stuff Erdas does but is not as fast or as powerful, though I have had only limited experience with Erdas. I have used RSVGA with 6 of 7 Landsat bands and it is a good starter program except for the obtuse manual"" IMAGINE-32 ---------- It's a 32 bit package [I suppose for PCs] called ""Imagine32"" or ""Image32"" The program does a modest amount of image processing --add, subtract, multiply, divide, display, and plot an x or y cut across the image. It can also display a number of images simultaneously. The company is CompuScope, in Santa Barbara, CA. PC Vista -------- It was announced in the 1989 August edition of PASP. It is known to be available from Mike Richmond, whose email addresses have been richmond@bllac.berkeley.edu richmond@bkyast.berkeley.edu and his s-mail address is: Michael Richmond,Astronomy Department, Campbell Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 The latest version of PC-Vista, version 1.7, includes not only the source code and help files, but also a complete set of executable programs and a number of sample FITS images. If you do wish to use the source code, you will need Microsoft C, version 5.0 or later; other compilers may work, but will require substantial modifications. To receive the documentation and nine double-density (360K) floppies (or three quad-density 3-1/2 inch floppies (1.44M) with everything on them, just send a request for PC-Vista, together with your name and a US-Mail address, to Office of Technology Licensing 2150 Shattuck Ave., Suite 510 Berkeley, Ca. 94704 Include a check (Traveller's Checks are fine) or purchase order for $150.00 in U.S. dollars, if your address is inside the continental U.S., or $165.00 otherwise, made out to Regents of the University of California to cover duplication and mailing costs. SOFTWARE TOOLS -------------- It's a set of software ""tools"" put out by Canyon State Systems and Software. They are not free, but rather cheap at about $30 I heard. It will handle most all of the formats used by frame grabber software. MIRAGE ------ It's image processing software written by Jim Gunn at the Astrophysics Dept at Princeton. It will run on a PC among other platforms. It is a Forth based system - i.e. a Forth language with many image processing displaying functions built in. DATA TRANSLATION SOURCE BOOK ---------------------------- The Data Translation company in Massachusetts publishes a free book containing vendors of data analysis hardware and software which is compatible with Data Translation and other frame grabbers. Surely you can find much more PC-related stuff in it. MAXEN386 -------- A couple of Canadians have written a program named MAXEN386 which does maximum entropy image deconvolution. Their company is named Digital Signal Processing Software, or something like that, and the software is mentioned in an article in Astronomy Magazine, either Jan or Feb 92 (an article on CCD's vs film). JANDEL SCIENTIFIC (JAVA) ------------------------ Another software package (JAVA) is put out by Jandel Scientific. Jandel Scientific, 65 Koch Road, Corte Madera, CA 94925, (415) 924-8640, (800) 874-1888. Microbrian ---------- Runs on an MS dos platform and uses a 32 bit graphics card (Vista), or an about to be released version will support a number of super VGA cards. Its a full blown remote sensed data processing system.. It is menu driven (character based screen), but is does not use a windowed user interface. Its is hardware protected with a dongle. Mbrian = micro Barrier reef Image Anaysis System. It was developed by CSIRO (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial Organization) and is marketed/ supported by: MPA Australia (51 Lusher Road, Croydon, Victoria tel + 61 3 724 4488 fax +61 3 724 4455) There are educational and commercial prices, but be prepared to set aside $A10k for the first educational licence. Subsequent ones come cheaper (they need to!) It has installed sites worldwide. It is widely used at ANU. MicroImage ---------- The remote sensing lab here at Dartmouth currently uses Terra-Mar's MicroImage, on 486 PCs with some fancy display hardware. Terra-Mar Resource Information Services, Inc. 1937 Landings Drive Mountain View, CA 94043 415-964-6900 FAX 415-964-5430 Unix-based tools ================ IRAF (Image Reduction and Analysis Facility) -------------------------------------------- Developed in the National Optical Astronomy Observatory, Kitt Peak AZ It is free, you can ftp it from tucana.noao.edu [140.252.1.1] and complement it with STSDAS from stsci.edu [130.167.1.2]. Email to iraf@noao.edu for more details. Apparently this is one of the _de facto_ standards in the astronomical image community. They issue a newsletter also. They seem to support very well their users. Works with VMS also last I heard, and practically has its own shell on top of the VMS/Unix shells. It's suggested that you get a copy of saoimage for display under X windows. Very flexible/extendable -- tons (literally 3 linear feet) of documentation for the general user, skilled user, and programmer. ALV --- A Sun-specific image toolkit. Version 2.0.6 posted to comp.sources.sun on 11dec89. Also available via email to alv-users-request@cs.bris.ac.uk. AIPS ---- Astronomical Image Processing System. Contact: aipsmail@nrao.edu (also see the UseNet Newsgroups alt.sci.astro.aips and sci.astro.fits) Built by NRAO (National Radio Astronomy Observatory, HQ in Charlottesville, VA, sites in NM, AZ, WV). Software distributed by 9-track, Exabyte, DAT, or (non-anonymous) internet ftp. Documentation (PostScript mostly) available via anonymous ftp to baboon.cv.nrao.edu (192.33.115.103), directory pub/aips and pub/aips/TEXT/PUBL. Installation requires building the system and thus a Fortran and C compiler. This package can read and write FITS data (see sci.astro.fits), and is primarily for reduction, analysis, and image enhancement of Radio Astronomy data from radio telescopes, particularly the Very Large Array (VLA), a synthesis instrument. It consists of almost 300 programs that do everything from copying data to sophisticated deconvolution, e.g. via maximum entropy. There is an X11-based Image tool (XAS) and a tek-compatible xterm-based graphics tool built into AIPS. The XAS tool is modelled after the hardware functionality of the International Imaging Systems model 70 display unit and can do image arithmetic, etc. The code is mostly Fortran 77 with some system C language modules, and is available for Suns, IBM RS/6000, Dec/Ultrix, Convex, Cray (Unicos), and Alliant with support planned for HP-9000/7xx, Solaris 2.1, and maybe SGI. There is currently a project - ""AIPS++"" - underway to rewrite the algorithmic functionality of AIPS in a modern setting, using C++ and an object oriented approach. Whereas AIPS is proprietary code (licensed for free to non-profit institutions) owner by NRAO and the NSF, AIPS++ will be in the public domain at some level, as it is an international effort with contributions from the US, Canada, England, the Netherlands, India, and Australia to name a few. LABOimage --------- (version 4.0 is out for X11) It's written in C, and currently runs on Sun 3/xxx, Sun 4/xxx (OS3.5, 4.0 and 4.0.3) under SunView. The expert system for image segmentation is written in Allegro Common Lisp. It was used on the following domains: computer science (image analysis), medicine, biology, physics. It is distributed free of charge (source code). Available via anonymous FTP at ftp.ads.com (128.229.30.16), in pub/VISION-LIST-ARCHIVE/SHAREWARE/LaboImage_* Contact: Prof. Thierry Pun, Computer Vision Group Computing Science Center, U-Geneva 12, rue du Lac, CH-1207 Geneva SWITZERLAND Phone : +41(22) 787 65 82; fax: +41(22) 735 39 05 E-mail: pun@cui.unige.ch or pun@cgeuge51.bitnet Figaro ------ It was originally made for VMS, and can be obtained from Keith Shortridge in Australia (ks@aaoepp.aao.gov.au) and for Unix from Sam Southard at Caltech (sns@deimos.caltech.edu). It's about 110Mbytes on a Sun. KHOROS ------ Moved to the Scientific Visualization category below Vista ----- The ""real thing"" is available via anonymous ftp from lowell.edu. Email to vista@lowell.edu for more details. Total size less than 20Mbytes. DISIMP ------ (Device Independent Software for Image Processing) is a powerful system providing both user friendliness and high functionality in interactive times. Feature Description DISIMP incorporates a rich library of image processing utilities and spatial data options. All functions can be easily accessed via the DISIMP executive. This menu is modular in design and groups image processes by their function. Such a logical structure means that complicated processes are simply a progression through a series of modules. Processes include image rectification, classification (unsupervised and supervised), intensity transformations, three dimensional display and Principal Component Analysis. DISIMP also supports the more simple and effective enhancement techniques of filtering, band subtraction and ratioing. Host Configuration Requirements Running on UNIX workstations, DISIMP is capable of processing the more computational intensive techniques in interactive processing times. DISIMP is available in both Runtime and Programmer's environments. Using the Programmers environment, utilities can be developed for specific applications programs. Graphics are governed by an icon-based Display Panel which allows quick enhancments of a displayed image. Manipulations of Look Up Tables, colour stretches, changes to histograms, zooming and panning can be interactively driven through this control. A range of geographic projections enables DISIMP to integrate data of image, graphic and textual types. Images can be rectified by a number of coordinate systems, providing the true geographic knowledge essential for ground truthing. Overlays of grids, text and vector data can be added to further enhance referenced imagery. The system is a flexible package allowing users of various skill levels to determine their own working environment, including the amount of help required. DISIMP comes fully configured with no optional extras. The purchase price includes all functionality required for professional processing of remote sensed data. For further information, please contact: The Business Manager, CLOUGH Engineering Group Systems Division, 627 Chapel Street, South Yarra, Australia 3141. Telephone: +61 3 825 5555 Fax: +61 3 826 6463 Global Imaging Software ----------------------- ""We use Global Imaging Software to process AVHRR data, from the dish to the final display. Select a chunk of five band data from a pass, automatic navigation, calibrate it to Albedo and Temp, convert that to byte, register it to predesigned window, all relatively automatically and carefree. It has no classification routines to speak of, but it isn't that difficult to write your own with their programmer's module. Very small operation: one designs, one codes, one sells. Been around for a number of years, sold to Weather Service and Navy. Runs on HP9000 with HP-UX. Supports 24-bit display"" HIPS ---- (Human Information Processing Laboratory's Image Processing System) Michael Landy co-wrote and sell a general-purpose package for image processing which has been used for basically all the usual image processing applications (robotics, medical, satellite, engineering, oil exploration, etc.). It is called HIPS, and deals with sequences of multiband images in the same way it deals with single images. It has been growing since we first wrote it, both by additions from us as well as a huge user-contributed library. Feature description HIPS is a set of image processing modules which together provide a powerful suite of tools for those interested in research, system development and teaching. It handles sequences of images (movies) in precisely the same manner as single frames. Programs and subroutines have been developed for simple image transformations, filtering, convolution, Fourier and other transform processing, edge detection and line drawing manipulation, digital image compression and transmission methods, noise generation, and image statistics computation. Over 150 such image transformation programs have been developed. As a result, almost any image processing task can be performed quickly and conveniently. Additionally, HIPS allows users to easily integrate their own custom routines. New users become effective using HIPS on their first day. HIPS features images that are self-documenting. Each image stored in the system contains a history of the transformations that have been applied to that image. HIPS includes a small set of subroutines which primarily deals with a standardized image sequence header, and a large library of image transformation tools in the form of UNIX ``filters''. It comes complete with source code, on-line manual pages, and on-line documentation. Host Configuration Requirements Originally developed at New York University, HIPS now represents one of the most extensive and flexible vision and image processing environments currently available. It runs under the UNIX operating system. It is modular and flexible, provides automatic documentation of its actions, and is almost entirely independent of special equipment. HIPS is now in use on a variety of computers including Vax and Microvax, Sun, Apollo, Masscomp, NCR Tower, Iris, IBM AT, etc. For image display and input, drivers are supplied for the Grinnell and Adage (Ikonas) image processors, and the Sun-2, Sun-3, Sun- 4, and Sun-386i consoles. We also supply user-contributed drivers for a number of other framestores and windowing packages (Sun gfx, Sun console, Matrox VIP-1024, ITI IP-512, Lexidata, Macintosh II, X windowing system, and Iris). The Hipsaddon package includes an interface for the CRS-4000. It is a simple matter to interface HIPS with other frame- stores, and we can put interested users in touch with users who have interfaced HIPS with the Arlunya and Datacube Max- Video. HIPS can be easily adapted for other image display devices because 98% of HIPS is machine independent. Availability HIPS has proven itself a highly flexible system, both as an interactive research tool, and for more production- oriented tasks. It is both easy to use, and quickly adapted and extended to new uses. HIPS is supplied on magnetic tape in UNIX tar format (either reel- to-reel or Sun cartridge), and comes with source code, libraries, a library of convolu- tion masks, and on-line documentation and manual pages. Michael Landy SharpImage Software P.O. Box 373, Prince Street Station New York, NY 10012-0007 Voice: (212) 998-7857 Fax: (212) 995-4011 msl@cns.nyu.edu MIRA ---- [ Please DON'T confuse that with the Thalmanns animation system from Montreal. These are altogether different beasts! - nfotis ] MIRA stands for Microcomputer Image Reduction and Analysis. MIRA gives workstation level performance on 386/486 DOS computers using SVGA cards in 256 color modes up to 1024x768. MIRA contains a very handsome/functional GUI which is mouse and keystroke operated. MIRA reads/writes TIFF and FITS formats, native formats of a number of CCD cameras, and uncompressed binary images in byte, short integer, and 4-byte real pixel format in 1- or 2- dimensions. The result of an image processing operation can be short integer or real pixels, or the same as that of the input image. MIRA does the operation using short or floating point arithmetic to maintain the precision and accuracy of the pixel format. Over 100 functions are hand-coded in assembly language for maximum speed on the Intel hardware. The entire graphical interface is also written in assembly language to maximize the speed of windowing operations. Windows for 2-d image and 1-d image/data display and analysis have dedicated cursors which read position and value value in real time as you move the mouse. There are also smooth, real time contrast and brightness stretch and panning of a magnified portion of the displayed image(s), all operated by the mouse. A wide selection of grayscale, pseudocolor, and random palettes is provided, and other palettes can be generated. Supported functions include such niceties as the following: o image & image: + - / * interpolation o image & constant: + - / * o unary operations: abs value, polynomial of pixel value, chs, 1/x, log, byteswap, clip values at upper/lower limits, short->real or real->short. o combine images by mean, median, mode, or sum of pixel values, with or without autoscaling to mean, median, or mode of an image section. o convolutions/filters: Laplacian, Sobel edge operator, directional gradient, line, Gaussian, elliptical and rectangular equal weight filters, unsharp masking, median filters, user defined filter kernel. Ellipse, rectangle, line, gradient, Gaussian, and user defined filters can be rotated to any specified angle. o CCD data reduction: flat fielding, dark subtraction, column over/underscan bias removal, remove bad pixels and column defects, normalize to region target mean, median, or modal value. o create subimage, mosaic m x n 1-d or 2-d images to get larger image, collapse 2-d image into 1-d image. o plot 1-d section or collapsed section of 2-d image, plot histogram of region of an image. o review/change image information/header data, rename keywords, plot keyword values for a set of images. o luminance/photometry: elliptical or circular aperture photometry, brightness profile, isophotal photometry between set of upper & lower luminances, area and luminance inside traced polygon. Interactive background fitting and removal from part or all of image, fit elliptical aperture shape to image isophotes. o interactive with 2-d image: contrast/brightness, x- y- or diagonal plot of pixel values, distance between two points, compute region stats,` centroid, pan to x,y location or image center, zoom 1/16 to 10 times, change cursor to rectangle crosshair, full image crosshair, or off, and adjust cursor size on image. Select linear, log or gamma transfer function or histogram equalization. o interactive or specified image offset computation and re-sampling for registration. o interactive with 1-d image: zoom in x- y- or both in steps of 1/2 or 2 times current, re-center plot, or enlarge a framed area. 4 plot buffers can be cycled through. Interactive data analysis: polynomial fitting, point deletion, undelete, change value, point weighting, linear and quadratic loess and binomial smoothing, revert to unit point weights or original data buffer, substitute results into data buffer for pass back to calling function. Dump data buffer (+ overlays and error bars) to file or printer. Change to user specified coordinate system. o Tricolor image combination and display, hardcopy halftone printout to HP-PCL compatible printers (Laserjet, deskjet, etc.) o Documentation is over 300 pages in custom vinyl binder. Cost: 995 $USD/copy Available from: Axiom Research, Inc. Box 44162 Tucson, AZ 85733 (602) 791-2864 phone/fax. international marketing rep: Saguaro Scientific Corporation, Tucson, Arizona. ========================================================================== End of Part 2 of the Resource Listing -- Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578 ";-1;0 "From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 8 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net You're drifting off topic. In any case, if you check on any of the topics devoted to gun rights issues, you will find ample evidence that the ""misinformation"" is your assertion that the term ""the people"" in the Second Amendment has mysteriously taken on a meaning diametrically opposite the meaning of the exact same term in the First and Fourth Amendments. ";16;1 "From: root@ncube.com (Operator) Subject: Accelaratores? Nntp-Posting-Host: admin Reply-To: root@ncube.com Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA Lines: 27 Do the accelaratores make a lot of difference? As I understand, there is graphics and cpu accelaration. Does graphics accelarator help out with the scanner and the photo shop? Is combination of both practical? I have a Mac IIci. What kinds of accelaratores can I use? --- ^~ @ * * Captain Zod... _|/_ / zod@ncube.com |-|-|/ 0 /| 0 / | \=======&==\=== \===========&=== ";-1;0 "From: mogul@uclink.berkeley.edu (Bret Mogilefsky) Subject: Re: Any good sound formats conversion program out there?? Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu In article edd392h@mings2.cc.monash.edu.au (YWI. Li) writes: >Hi all, > >Does anyone know if there is a good sound formats conversion program out > >there??? (Like PaintshopPro for picture formats conversion) > >Please send me a copy of your reply!!! > >thanks a lot > >Bel > Hi... THe best sound conversion program I've ever seen is SoundTool, which is shareware from Germany. I found a copy somewhere in wuarchive.wustl.edu a long time ago, but I don't know offhand what directory it was under. It's GREAT at converting files of all types, including Mac, NExT, Sun, and various PC formats... It's also a great player and editor, with various special effects that put Windows' Sound Recorder to shame. It requires a driver for various sound cards... The only builtin one is for the pc speaker (and even that sounds pretty good), but if you're just using it to convert things, you can convert them in SoundTool and then play them in Sound Recorder. Give it a try! Bret -- * ""Why, that's the second | mogul@soda.berkeley.edu * * biggest monkey head I've | mogul@ocf.berkeley.edu * * ever seen!"" -Guybrush | mogul@uclink.berkeley.edu * ";-1;0 "From: straw@cam.nist.gov (Mike_Strawbridge_x3852) Subject: need help with Athena Text Widget Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology, Gaithersburg, MD Lines: 24 I want to create a single-line Text widget for entering a small amount of text. I want it to be of fixed width, but have a horizontal scrollbar that scrolls automatically when the user types in order to keep the insertion point visible. In trying to do this I have two problems: - The addition of the horizontal scrollbar does not make the text widget taller, but instead it seems to cover part of the text. - The scrollbar does not scroll automatically as the user types in text in order to keep the insertion point visible. Any help is appreciated. Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NAME: Michael Strawbridge TELE: (301) 975-3852 USMAIL: National Institute of Standards ARPA: straw@cam.nist.gov and Technology UUCP: uunet!cme-durer!straw Rm. B-146, Bldg. 225 Gaithersburg, MD 20899 ";-1;0 "From: fhoward@hqsun7.us.oracle.com (Forrest Howard) Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep Nntp-Posting-Host: hqsun7.us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 33 Add me to the list of bugged 230 owners. I had a bunch of problems regarding sleep/wakeup/restart with the 230 when I first got it, both with and without the techworks ram. Finally it ""died"", wouldn't start, until I opened the docking door (which snaps open) and the machine came up fine, but with the clock a few decades off. Apple replaced the processor board. Now, twice the machine has frozen (no mouse action) twice the machine has refused to wake up. Acutally, the backlighting came on, and the disk spins when the power adaptor is plugged in (but not with a good battery). The first time this happened removing both power adaptor and battery for ~1 minute brought the machine back. The second time this happened the machine wouldn't wake up until powered down for about 30 minutes. The screen had what looked like red horizontal lines accross it. Both timse the file ""fax modem preferences"" has been corrupted according to disinfectent). I have removed all the fax and modem software, and the third party memory, and am waiting to see if it happens again. forrest -- Forrest Howard Oracle Corporation 500 Oracle Parkway Box 65414 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 ";-1;0 "From: saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve A. Ward) Subject: Re: Mormon Temples Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 25 mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes: >One thing I don't understand is why being sacred should make the >temple rituals secret. On of the attributes of being sacred in this case is that they should not be spoken of in a ""common manner"" or ""trampled under feet"" such as the Lords name is today. The ceremonies are performed in the temple because the temple has been set aside as being as sacred/holy/uncommon place. We believe that the ceremonies can only be interpreted correctly when they are viewed with the right spirit- which in this case is in the temple. So from our point of view, when they are brought out into the public, they are being trampled under feet, because of misinterpretations and mocking, and it is therefore offensive to us. Please do not assume that because of my use of the words 'we' and 'our' that I'm an official spokesman for the LDS church. I am merely stating what I believe is the general feeling among us. Others feel free to disagree. -- Steve Ward saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com ";-1;0 "From: hymowitz@hull.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? Organization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear Lines: 23 kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes: > Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning > it was. Are they still, officially? > If so, why? and how did they receive this label? my understanding was that ted turner (owner of the braves) started running his tv station nationwide, and started running all of his team's games on his nationwide tv station, he dubbed his team ''america's team'' - that is, the only team (at least, at the time) all of whose games could be seen across america. now, wor is nationwide out of beautiful secaucus, but not all mets games are on wor. wgn chicago and wsbk boston are two other superstations (at least, they are on the east coast). i don't know how many cubs/sox/sox games they show. --hymie hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll be mellow when I'm dead. --''Weird'' Al Yankovic ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You get your mellow, laid back attitude from Sonny the Cuckoo Bird. --Josh, about me ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: DC-X: Vehicle Nears Flight Test Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.191011.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 53 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > In article <2736@snap> paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes: >>This bit interests me. How much automatic control is there? Is it >>purely autonomous or is there some degree of ground control? > > The ""stick-and-rudder man"" is always the onboard computer. The computer > normally gets its orders from a stored program, but they can be overridden > from the ground. > >>How is >>the transition from aerodynamic flight (if thats what it is) to hover >>accomplished? This is the really new part... > > It's also one of the tricky parts. There are four different ideas, and > DC-X will probably end up trying all of them. (This is from talking to > Mitch Burnside Clapp, who's one of the DC-X test pilots, at Making Orbit.) > > (1) Pop a drogue chute from the nose, light the engines once the thing > stabilizes base-first. Simple and reliable. Heavy shock loads > on an area of structure that doesn't otherwise carry major loads. > Needs a door in the ""hot"" part of the structure, a door whose > operation is mission-critical. > > (2) Switch off pitch stability -- the DC is aerodynamically unstable at > subsonic speeds -- wait for it to flip, and catch it at 180 > degrees, then light engines. A bit scary. > > (3) Light the engines and use thrust vectoring to push the tail around. > Probably the preferred method in the long run. Tricky because > of the fuel-feed plumbing: the fuel will start off in the tops > of the tanks, then slop down to the bottoms during the flip. > Keeping the engines properly fed will be complicated. > > (4) Build up speed in a dive, then pull up hard (losing a lot of speed, > this thing's L/D is not that great) until it's headed up and > the vertical velocity drops to zero, at which point it starts > to fall tail-first. Light engines. Also a bit scary, and you > probably don't have enough altitude left to try again. > -- > All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology > - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry Since the DC-X is to take off horizontal, why not land that way?? Why do the Martian Landing thing.. Or am I missing something.. Don't know to much about DC-X and such.. (overly obvious?). Why not just fall to earth like the russian crafts?? Parachute in then... == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked Please enlighten me... Ignorance is easy to correct. make a mistake and everyone will let you know you messed up.. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. From: pgut1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland Lines: 48 In <1993Apr21.001707.9999@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes: >(the date I have for this is 1-26-93) >note Clinton's statements about encryption in the 3rd paragraph.. I guess >this statement doesen't contradict what you said, though. >--- cut here --- > WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The War on Drugs is about to get a fresh >start, President Clinton told delegates to the National Federation >of Police Commisioners convention in Washington. > In the first speech on the drug issue since his innaugural, >Clinton said that his planned escalation of the Drug War ``would make >everything so far seem so half-hearted that for all practical >purposes this war is only beginning now.'' He repeatedly emphasized >his view that ``regardless of what has been tried, or who has tried >it, or how long they've been trying it, this is Day One to me.'' >The audience at the convention, whose theme is ``How do we spell >fiscal relief? F-O-R-F-E-I-T-U-R-E,'' interrupted Clinton frequently >with applause. > Clinton's program, presented in the speech, follows the >outline given in his campaign position papers: a cabinet-level Drug >Czar and ``boot camps'' for first-time youthful offenders. He did, >however, cover in more detail his plans for improved enforcement >methods. ``This year's crime bill will have teeth, not bare gums,'' >Clinton said. In particular, his administration will place strict >controls on data formats and protocols, and require the registration >of so-called ``cryptographic keys,'' in the hope of denying drug >dealers the ability to communicate in secret. Clinton said the >approach could be used for crackdowns on other forms of underground >economic activity, such as ``the deficit-causing tax evaders who >live in luxury at the expense of our grandchildren.'' > Clinton expressed optimism that the drug war can be won >``because even though not everyone voted for Bill Clinton last >November, everyone did vote for a candidate who shares my sense of >urgency about fighting the drug menace. The advocates of >legalization -- the advocates of surrender -- may be very good at >making noise,'' Clinton said. ``But when the American people cast >their ballots, it only proved what I knew all along -- that the >advocates of surrender are nothing more than a microscopic fringe.'' Just doing a quick reality check here - is this for real or did someone invent it to provoke a reaction from people? It sounds more like the sort of thing you'd have heard, suitably rephrased, from the leader of a certain German political party in the 1930's.... Peter. ";-1;0 "From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine. Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 33 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) says: >In article <1r1vofINN871@usenet.pa.dec.com> tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!) writes: >> Are there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why >>my MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times, >>but not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises. > >assuming yours is a non turbo MR2, the gruffness is characteristic of >a large inline 4 that doesn't have balance shafts. i guess toyota >didn't care about ""little"" details like that when they can brag about >the mid engine configuration and the flashy styling. > >myself, i automatically cross out any car from consideration (or >recommendation) which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no >balance shafts.. it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you >ever want a halfway decent engine. > >if the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do >except to sell it and get a V6. > > >eliot nice theory. too bad the MR2's never came with a four cylinder over 2.0 liters. More like 1.6. Or did they? were the nonturbo MR2II's 2.2 or some such? I also understand that anyone using balancing shafts on four cylinders, must pay SAAB a royalty for using their patented design..like Porsche's 3.0 I4... c ya DREW ";-1;0 "From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles) Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords Organization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA Lines: 37 In article <1993Apr15.160415.8559@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes: >I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Fifth >also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating? >e.g. The police couldn't demand that you silently take them to where the >body is buried or where the money is hidden. But they can make you piss in a jar, and possibly provide DNA, semen, and hair samples or to undergo tests for gunpowder residues on your hand. (BTW, that was why the chemical engineer arrested in the WTC explosion thrust his hands into a toilet filled with urine as the cops were breaking down the door -- the nitrogen in the urine would mask any residue from explosives. I found it interesting the news reported his acts, but not his reasons). Somewhere, perhaps a privacy group, they discussed the legal ramifications of using a password like I shot Jimmy Hoffa and his body is in a storage locker in Camden a while back. The impression I got was that real judges would dismiss arguments that this password is self-incrimination as first-year law school sophistry -- the fact that you use a statement for a password has no bearing on the veracity of that phrase. You are not being asked to incrimidate yourself (e.g., ""where did you bury the body?""); you are being asked to provide information necessary to execute a legal search warrant. Refusing to provide the password is akin to refusing to provide a key to a storage locker... except that they could always _force_ their way into the locker. Of course, that doesn't mean you have to help them _understand_ what they find, or point out things they overlooked in their search! -- Bear Giles bear@fsl.noaa.gov ";-1;0 "Organization: City University of New York From: Harold Zazula Subject: Octopus in Detroit? Lines: 9 I was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an octopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives? (is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in Detroit?) ------- Not Responsible -- Dain Bramaged!! Harold Zazula dlmqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu hzazula@alehouse.acc.qc.edu ";13;1 "From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jacob Rose) Subject: Re: Position of 'b' on Erg. Keyboard Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu viralbus@daimi.aau.dk (Thomas Martin Widmann) writes: >So far I have only seen pictures of the new ergonomic keyboard, >but it seems that the 'b' is placed on the left part after the split. >However, when I learned typing in school some years ago, I was taught >to write 'b' with my right hand. Is this a difference between Danish >and American typing, or what??? It must be... ...I type it with my left hand. Personally, I would have a real problem with my keyboard opened up like that, because I tend to share some keys with both hands, particularly if I'm doing something else with one hand (like using the cursor keys, mouse, or glass of Jolt). -- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ""Deej"" (Jacob Rose) :: Amazing but true: There is so much sand in Northern jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu:: Africa that if spread out it would cover the Sahara. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ";-1;0 "From: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman) Subject: Manual Shift Bigots Organization: Wayne State University Lines: 17 Distribution: world Reply-To: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pookie.pass.wayne.edu Now, my ego with regards to my shifting ability is as big as anyone else's, but I just ordered my first car with an auto trans. I wasn't planning on it; but after driving a few I was convinced: Things have changed since the days of ""Slip 'n' Slide Withe Powerglide"". They shift *better* than I do, there's no clutch to wear out (Honda wanted $800 for my 4WD wagon last year!- got it done for $500), it only costs about 5% in gas milage on the highway and it makes it easier to concentrate on all the radios in my car ;-) (Oddly enough, while two of my best friends- both in the auto industry here in the Motor City- have switched wholeheartedly to autos, their wives *insist* on manual. Shift envy?) Braggadocio aside, given today's technology and the warranties they're handing out the auto trans seemed like an excellent choice. Call me a convert. --mike ";-1;0 "From: brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran) Subject: Re: I've found the secret! Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 19 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: taurus.meaddata.com In article <1993Apr15.161730.9903@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: |> |> Why are the Red Sox in first place? Eight games into the season, they |> already have two wins each from Clemens and Viola. Clemens starts |> again tonight, on three days rest. Huh? Clemens pitched last on Saturday, giving him his usual four days rest. |> What's up? Are the Sox going with a four-man rotation? Is this why |> Hesketh was used in relief last night? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Curran Mead Data Central brian@meaddata.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""I didn't think I should've been asked to catch when the temperature was below my age."" - Carlton Fisk, Chicago White Sox catcher, on playing during a 40-degree April ball game ";-1;0 "From: rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) Subject: Too Many Europeans in NHL Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 50 Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on NHL teams have escalated to the following stats: Canadians: 400 Americans: 100 Europeans: 100 Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top 25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun. Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and ""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other teams is getting worse as well. I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about ""Pavel Bure, the Russian Rocket"" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, I'm not a Canucks fan to begin with ;-). Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even better hockey players. It's all hype. This ""European mystique"" is sickening, but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league. With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly only getting worse. I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. I just don't want them on mine. -- Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" ----------------- ""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai ";-1;0 "From: thia@sce.carleton.ca (Yong Thia) Subject: protection fault Summary: fault Keywords: fault Organization: Carleton University Distribution: na Lines: 13 Hi! I was wondering if anyone out there could help me. I have an error message that goes: What does it mean? I am running MS windows 3.1. Thanks in advance -- ";6;1 "From: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi) Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++ Organization: NSWC, Carderock Division, Annapolis, MD, USA Lines: 15 In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: > >> Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about >it! I bought my Moto Guzzi from a Univ of Va grad student in Charlottesville last spring. Mark Cervi, cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147 DoD #0603 MGNOC #12998 '87 Moto Guzzi SP-II ""What kinda bikes that?"" A Moto Guzzi. ""What's that?"" Its Italian. -- Mark Cervi, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC Code 852, Annapolis, MD 21402 cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147 ";-1;0 "From: Rob Shirey Subject: ISOC Symposium on Net Security X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:27:54 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: shirey-mac.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Virginia, USA X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 Lines: 94 CALL FOR PAPERS The Internet Society Symposium on Network and Distributed System Security 3-4 February 1994, Catamaran Hotel, San Diego, California The symposium will bring together people who are building software and hardware to provide network or distributed system security services. The symposium is intended for those interested in practical aspects of network and distributed system security, rather than in theory. Symposium proceedings will be published by the Internet Society. Topics for the symposium include, but are not limited to, the following: * Design and implementation of services--access control, authentication, availability, confidentiality, integrity, and non-repudiation --including criteria for placing services at particular protocol layers. * Design and implementation of security mechanisms and support services--encipherment and key management systems, authorization and audit systems, and intrusion detection systems. * Requirements and architectures for distributed applications and network functions--message handling, file transport, remote file access, directories, time synchronization, interactive sessions, remote data base management and access, routing, voice and video multicast and conferencing, news groups, network management, boot services, mobile computing, and remote I/O. * Special issues and problems in security architecture, such as -- very large systems like the international Internet, and -- high-speed systems like the gigabit testbeds now being built. * Interplay between security goals and other goals--efficiency, reliability, interoperability, resource sharing, and low cost. GENERAL CHAIR: Dan Nessett, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory PROGRAM CHAIRS: Russ Housley, Xerox Special Information Systems Rob Shirey, The MITRE Corporation PROGRAM COMMITTEE: Dave Balenson, Trusted Information Systems Tom Berson, Anagram Laboratories Matt Bishop, Dartmouth College Ed Cain, U.S. Defense Information Systems Agency Jim Ellis, CERT Coordination Center Steve Kent, Bolt, Beranek and Newman John Linn, Independent Consultant Clifford Neuman, Information Sciences Institute Michael Roe, Cambridge University Rob Rosenthal, U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology Jeff Schiller, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Ravi Sandhu, George Mason University Peter Yee, U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration SUBMISSIONS: The committee seeks both original technical papers and proposals for panel discussions on technical and other topics of general interest. Technical papers should be 10-20 pages in length. Panels should include three or four speakers. A panel proposal must name the panel chair, include a one-page topic introduction authored by the chair, and also include one-page position summaries authored by each speaker Both the technical papers and the panel papers will appear in the proceedings. Submissions must be made by 16 August 1993. Submissions should be made via electronic mail to 1994symposium@smiley.mitre.org. Submissions may be in either of two formats: ASCII or PostScript. If the committee is unable to read a PostScript submission, it will be returned and ASCII requested. Therefore, PostScript submissions should arrive well before 16 August. If electronic submission is absolutely impossible, submissions should be sent via postal mail to Robert W. Shirey, Mail Stop Z202 The MITRE Corporation McLean, Virginia 22102-3481 USA All submissions must include both an Internet electronic mail address and a postal address. Each submission will be acknowledged through the medium by which it is received. If acknowledgment is not received within seven days, please contact either Rob Shirey or Russ Housley , or telephone Mana Weigand at MITRE in Mclean, 703-883-5397. Authors and panelists will be notified of acceptance by 15 October 1993. Instructions for preparing camera-ready copy for the proceedings will be postal mailed at that time. The camera-ready copy must be received by 15 November 1993. ";-1;0 "From: mccool@dgp.toronto.edu (Michael McCool) Subject: Apr 20 Toronto Siggraph Event Organization: University of Toronto Dynamic Graphics Project Distribution: na Lines: 48 Toronto Siggraph ================ What: ``Chance's Art'': 2D Graphics and Animation on the Indigo. By: Ken Evans, Imagicians Artware, Inc. When: Tuesday 20 April 1993 7:00pm-9:00pm Where: The McLuhan Centre for Culture and Technology University of Toronto 39A Queen's Park Crescent Toronto Who: Members and non-members alike (non-members encouraged to become members...) Abstract: Imagicians Artware, Inc. is entering into early beta site testing on Silicon Graphics workstations of a new 2D abstract artwork and animation package called Chance's Art. The package will be described and demonstrated, and some of the technical issues will be discussed. Marketing plans will be outlined. The talk will also present some of the technical and business problems increasingly confronting small startup software companies today, and some of the opportunities this situation presents. Time after the event will be allocated for hands-on demonstrations to interested parties. Silicon Graphics is graciously providing an Indigo for this event. Myck Kupka will also be demonstrating his computerized interactive reflective stereoscope, which is installed upstairs in the McLuhan Centre, so feel free to drop by for a demonstration before or after the event. BTW, be sure to sing ""Happy Birthday, Myck""... The names of nominees for our Siggraph executive offices will be announced at this meeting. Nominations will still be open until the election at our May 18th event; call Myck Kupka at 465-0943 or fax to 465-0729. Directions: The McLuhan Coachhouse is on the east side of Queen's Park Crescent, just NORTH of Wellesley, SOUTH of St. Joseph St., BEHIND (EAST of) 39 Queen's Park Crescent, which is the centre for Mediaeval Studies. For information on Toronto Siggraph membership, contact Michael McCool via: Internet: mccool@dgp.utoronto.ca; Voice: 652-8072/978-6619/978-6027; Fax: 653-1654 ";-1;0 "From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Lines: 169 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com In article <1483500352@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research writes: |> |> From: Center for Policy Research |> Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis |> |> |> To: shaig@Think.COM |> |> Subject: Ten questions to Israelis |> |> Dear Shai, |> |> In the answer to my first question, concerning the nonexistence of |> Israeli nationality, your answer conflicts with information I have |> received from other quarters, according to which there are two |> distinct categories of classifying Israelis: Citizenship |> (Ezrahut) and Nationality (Le'um). The former is used on passports |> etc, and the later for daily identification in Israeli society. I |> am told that people in Israel have to carry their ID cards at all |> times and present them at many public places, almost every day. |> These ID cards make clear who the holder is, a Jew or an Arab. |> You maintain that this mainly because of religious services |> provided. But do you really believe that this is the reason ? |> Could you provide evidence that this is the case and that it |> serves no other purpose ? A number of points. You are making assumptions about the manner in which the cards are used. True, by law, all residents, citizens, and tourists must carry a form of identification with them. For citizens, the standard ID is the ID card. The purpose this serves on a daily basis, wherein they are presented at public places, is for the purpose of identifying the bearer. This takes place in banks (cashing checks), post offices (registered mail and such), etc... Quite frankly, it was rare that I ever had to present my ID card for such activities more than once per week. There is no law or requirement that forces people to wave their ID cards in public. Furthermore, none of the services I outlined discriminate against the bearer in any manner by having access to this information. The only case that I can think of in which the Le'um field might be taken into account is during interaction with the police, based upon the scenario. In general though, arab citizens are clearly recognizable, as are non-arabs. Your argument therefore becomes moot unless you can provide an example of how this field is being used to discriminate against them officially. |> In the answer to my second questions, concerning the fact that |> Israel has no fixed borders, you state that Israel's borders were |> 'shaped and reshaped by both war and peace'. According to what I |> read, the first Zionists in the beginning of the Century, had |> plans for the Jewish State to extend into what is Lebanon and into |> Transjordan (Jordan). I also read that it was the express wish of |> Ben-Gurion to not declare Israel's borders, when Israel was |> established, as this might restrict Israel's opportunities for |> later expansion. Israel often claims it right of existence on the |> fact that Jews lived there 2000 years ago or that God promised the |> land to them. But according to biblical sources, the area God |> promised would extend all the way to Iraq. And what were the |> borders in biblical times which Israel considers proper to use |> today ? Finally, if Israel wants peace, why can't it declare what |> it considers its legitimate and secure borders, which might be a |> base for negotiations? Having all the above facts in mind, one |> cannot blame Arab countries to fear Israeli expansionism, as a |> number of wars have proved (1948, 1956, 1967, 1982). I take issue with your assertions. I think that Arab countries do know that they have nothing to fear from ""Israeli expansionism"". Militarily, Israel is not capable of holding onto large tracts of land under occupation to a hostile, armed, and insurgent population for a sustained period of time. As is, the intifada is heavily taxing the Israeli economy. Proof of this can be seen in the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon. Israeli troops pulled back from the Awali, and later from the Litani, in order to control the minimal strip needed to keep towns out of range of Katyusha missile fire. Public opinion in Israel has turned towards settling the intifada via territorial concessions. The Israel public is sufferring from battle fatigue of sorts and the gov't is aware of it. With regards to borders, let me state the following. I may not agree with the manner in which negotiations are being held, however the crux of the matter is that everyone either makes or refrains from stating a starting position. The arab parties have called for total withdrawal and a return to pre-48 borders. If Israel were to state large borders, the negotiations might never get under way. If Israel were to state smaller borders, then the arab countries might try and force even smaller borders during the negotiations. I think that leaving the matter to be settled by negotiations and peace treaties is infinitely more realistic and sensible. |> Your answer to my third question is typical of a Stalinist public |> official. I don't think your answer is honest. You refer me to |> Vanunu's revelations about Israel's nuclear arsenal without |> evaluating the truthfullness of his revelations. Now if he said |> the truth, then why should he been punished, and if he lied, why |> should he be punished? I would appreciate more honesty. Your statement is typical of the simple minded naivety of a ""center for policy research"". Whether or not all of Vanunu's revelations were true has no bearing on the fact that some were. For disclosing ""state secrets"" after having signed contracts and forms with the understanding that said secrets are not to be made public, one should be punished. As to which were and which weren't, I am under no moral obligation to disclose that - quite the reverse in fact. He was taken to court, tried, and found guilty. You may take issue with a number of things but clearly you have no understanding of the concept of ""Secrets of state"", something which every democratic govt has. |> Somebody provided an answer to the fourth question, concerning |> 'hidden prisoners' in Israeli prisons. He posted an article from |> Ma'ariv documenting such cases. It seems that such prisoners do |> exist in Israel. What do you think about that ? I noticed that he was documenting the fact that such prisoners could exist more than he documented the fact that they do exist. The CLU noted, which you evidently did not pay attention to, that they know of no such reports or cases. I am sorry to tell you but in a country of 4 mill, as tightly knit as Israel, even if the matter of the arrest was not made public, within a relatively short time frame, most people would know about it. My own feelings are that the matter of the arrest should be made public unless a court order is issued allowing a delay of X hours. This would be granted only if a judge could be convinced that an announcement would cause irreparable harm to the ongoing investigation. |> You imply that my questions show bias and are formulated in such a |> way to 'cast aspersions upon Israel'. Such terms have often been |> used by the Soviet Union against dissidents: They call the Soviet |> Union into disrepute. If my questions are not disturbing, they |> would not call forth such hysterical answers. My questions are |> clearly provocative but they are meant to seek facts. I would be |> very happy if you could convince me that what I am told about |> Israel were just fabrications, but alas you have failed to do so. |> I suspect that you fear the truth and an open and honest |> discussion. This is a sign of weakness, not of strength. Well, I am sorry to say that your questions are slanted. Such questions are often termed ""tabloid journalism"" and are not disturbing because they avoid any attempt at objectivity. Such questions were often used during the McCarthy era as a basis for the witch-hunts that took place then. To use your own example, these questions might have been lifted from the format used by Stalinist prosecutors that were looking for small bits of evidence that they could distort and portray as a larger and dirtier picture. My answers were not any more ""hysterical"" than the questions themselves. The problem is not that the q's were provocative, it was that they were selective in their fact seeking. You fall into the same category of those who seek ""yes"" ""no"" answers when the real answer is ""of sorts"". I suspect that as long as the answers to these questions is not an unequivocal NO, you would remain unsatified and choose to interprete them as you see fit. A sign of strength is the ability to look You remind me of those mistaken environmentalists who once advocated culling wolves because of the cruelty to deer, only to find that they had broken the food chain and wreaked havoc upon the very environment they sought to protect. The color blindness you exhibit is a true sign of weakness. |> I hope you will muster the courage to seek the full truth. Ditto. -- Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, OS Software Engineer | Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninja of the skies. Cambridge, MA | ";-1;0 "From: mac1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) Subject: 1st time Chrysler buyer, $400 off really ? Summary: $400 off Keywords: $400 off Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 13 Hello World, just bought a new Stealth two weeks ago. Got a grad student rebate. Someone told me that there's another $400 reabet for 1st time Chrysler buyer. True ? If yes can I still get it or am I too late ? Mubashir Cheema Sparco Communications Ph: (601) 323-5360 LaGalarie Fax:(601) 324-6433 500 Russell Street, Suite 20 email: mac1@ra.msstate.edu Starkville, MS 39759 ";-1;0 "From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) Subject: Anti Freeze Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Lines: 36 Anti Freeze I was wrong, still had the issue of ""Street Rodder"" in my last pile. In the February 1991 issue on page 24 there is an advirtisement for anti freeze. AND IT MAKES A GREAT PARTY MIXER The Neo Synthetic Oil Company has a reputation for developing overkill priducts the protect and extend the life of mechinical things, and here is there latest development. Propylene Glycol, probably the finest radiator coolant available. After 100,000 miles of testing, they find it has a boiling point of 365 degrees (much higher than conventional coolants)- which helps elminate detonation and pinging, it allows the use of smaller radiators in race cars, it will not damage aluminum blocks or heads, and it is environmentally safe. Yep, this is the good stuff. Baker Precision Products Dept SRM 2865 Gundry Ave Long Beach Ca 90806 [213] 427-2375 I neither endorse or unendorse the above product, I only copied the advert blurb for others info, YMMV -- ########################################################## There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES and TARGETS !!! #1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist #include My opinions are my own!!! I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo in the same store. ";-1;0 "From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) Subject: Re: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ? Organization: Datamark International Ltd. Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr21.082152@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be> wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) writes: >Is it possible to use WinQVT/Net on a machine that uses NDIS to connect to a >Token Ring ? I tried it with older versions (< 3.2) but got an invalid packet >class error or something the like... How are you attempting to do that? Are you using the DIS_PKT9 program? This provides a packet driver on top of the NDIS driver. -- Thomas Beagle | thomas@datamark.co.nz Work: 64 4 233 8186 __o Technical Writer | thomas@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz Home: 64 4 499 3832 _-\<, Wellington, NZ | Hound for hire. Will work for dog biscuits. (_)/(_) ";-1;0 "From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) Subject: Re: O.T.O clarification Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 48 930420 Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. The word of Sin is Restriction. Kent (sandvik@newton.apple.com) writes: Sorry, the San Jose based Rosicrucian order is called A.M.O.R.C, I don't remember for the time being what the A.M. stand for but O.R.C is Ordo Rosae Crucis, in other words latin for Order of the Rose Cross. Response: Yes, very true. The entire title is 'The Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis'. They are located at 1342 Naglee Avenue, San Jose, California, 95191-0001, USA. They are considered different and largely unrelated by a number of sources. I've seen documentation which links them through the figure of H. Spencer Lewis. Lewis was apparently involved with Reuss, who was the O.H.O. of Ordo Templi Orientis for many years. Apparently it is also true that Lewis had a charter to form an O.T.O. body and then created A.M.O.R.C. (as a subsidiary? an interesting question). Kent: Otherwise their headquarters in San Jose has a pretty decent metaphysical bookstore, if any of you are interested in such books. And my son loves to run around in their Egyptian museum. Response: Indeed, and diagonally across the street is another metaphysical book store called 'Ram Metaphysical', wherein I've purchased some wonderful works by Crowley and others. Ram Metaphysical Books, 1749 Park Ave., San Jose, CA. (408) 294-2651. Invoke me under my stars. Love is the law, love under will. I am I! Frater (I) Nigris (DCLXVI) CCCXXXIII ";-1;0 "From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: University of Virginia Distribution: usa Lines: 12 I don't know if some lemons are out there, but from personal experience My brother's has been trouble free. Not one single repair, only regular maintainance. The only work he had done on it was a result of his stupidity... he stopped suddenly in the middle of a left turn on a busy intersection, and was rear-ended. He has a 1989 Plymouth Sundance. I would recomend it, but I would also like to say that if you can wait about six months, ChryCo is coming out with a new car called the Neon, that is built in the same way as the LH's where. Good luck with your desiscion. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Contradictions From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 49 In article yoder@austin.ibm.com (Stuart R. Yoder) writes: >: >: Then what would it have to do with ""in the universe""? You theists >: cannot understand that inside the universe and outside the universe >: are two different places. Put God outside the universe and you >: subtract from it the ability to interact with the inside of the >: universe, put it inside the universe and you impose the rules of >: physics on it. > >1. God is outside the universe. >2. Things outside the universe do not have 'the ability to interact > with the inside of the universe'. >3. Therefore God cannot interact inside the universe. > >(2) has no basis whatsoever. You seem to have positive knowledge >about this. (2) is a corrallary of (1). The negation of (2) would contridict (1). > >: Although we do not have a complete model of the physical rules >: governing the inside of the universe, we expect that there are no >: contradictory events likely to destroy the fabric of modern physics. >: On the other hand, your notion of an omnipotent, omniscient and >: infinitely benevolent god, is not subject to physical laws: you >: attempt to explain this away by describing it as being outside of >: them, beyond measurement. To me, beyond measurement means it can >: have no measurable effect on reality, so it cannot interact: ergo, >: your god is IRRELEVANT. > >1. God is beyond measure. >2. Beyond measurement means it can have no measurable effect on > reality. >3. Therefore God cannot have a measurable effect on reality. > >(2) has no basis whatsoever. (2) Is a corrallary of (1) The negation of (2) would contradict (1). -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) ";-1;0 "From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) Subject: Jemison on Star Trek Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 7 I saw in the newspaper last night that Dr. Mae Jemison, the first black woman in space (she's a physician and chemical engineer who flew on Endeavour last year) will appear as a transporter operator on the ""Star Trek: The Next Generation"" episode that airs the week of May 31. It's hardly space science, I know, but it's interesting. Doug Loss ";2;1 "From: jagst18+@pitt.edu (Josh A Grossman) Subject: Re: Dillon puts foot in mouth, film at 11 Organization: The Zets at the University of Pittsburgh (aka The Pitt) Lines: 17 I have also heard about HCI claiming thant anyone they get an address from is a member. If this is the case their membership rolls are grossly inflated and we should not call them and give them a name and address to add to their already false rolls. Perhaps if you could get a copy of their existing membership, then pretend to be an existing member, do that several thousand times, you could hurt HCI. But names are power. Remeber the NRA uses the fact that it has 3 million paid members in order to flex its muscles. Perhaps politicians don't realize the lying tactics of HCI, wait a minute, HCI learned it from politicians.... Later, Josh ";-1;0 "From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) Subject: Re: Wings take game one Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In <1qvos8$r78@cl.msu.>, vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes... > The Detroit Red Wings put a lot of doubter on ice tonight with a 6 - 3 >washing of the Toronto Maple Leafs. All you Toronto fans have now seen the >power of the mighty Red Wing offense. Toronto's defense in no match for the >Wing offense. As for the defense, Probert, Kennedey and Primeau came out >hitting hard. Toronto players were being thrown left and right. Not even >Wendell Clark was tough enough for the Wings tough guys. The Wings only gave >up three goals, a low total for what they say is a mediocre defense. > All you Leaf fans better speak up now. You team will probable have its >season ended soon. Wings fans, keep up the support. There's quite a few Wings fans lurking about here, they just tend to be low key and thoughtful rather than woofers. I suppose every family must have a Roger Clinton, though. But remember (to paraphrase one of my favorite Star Trek lines), ""if we adopt the ways of the Leaf fans, we are as bad as the Leaf fans"". Ron ********** ""And one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set of things to worry about. I'm getting bored reading the same problems in the paper, decade after decade. I want people to have to deal with new problems."" ... President Bill Clinton 2-4-93 ";-1;0 "From: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au Subject: re: technology Reply-To: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au Organization: University of Technology Sydney Lines: 39 In article cathye@cs.uq.oz.au writes: >I am fairly new to this group. >I was wondering about people's opinions on >ethical uses of the net, and of technology in general. the classic references in this area are Jacques Ellul for a liberal/evangelical perspective and Os Guiness for a straight evangelical view. If you want to look at non-christian sources try Alvin Toffler as the perennial optimist. His views while blatently non christian explore where technology may be going. >For example, there are some chain letters going >around which claim to have been written by a Christian missionary, but >which present a misleading image of the Christian religion. This is regardless of technology. Be careful to separate the issues of related to speed and dispersion of technology (how far the letter went and how quickly it got there) and the message being passed in the technology (something that seems to be totally wrong.) >How can we help to make best use of computer technology ? When lecturing in this area I challenge my (non-christan/atheistic) class about the impact technology has on life, quality of life and the rights that they consider important. Depending on how you work out your faith will determine your response to the use of technology. For example friends of mine are considering IVF due to a life threatening situation the wife is going through; when it is over they will have the baby. (God willing). In this case the technology is available and my friends have to decide what to do. In all cases though you must decide if the technology is against God's revealed word. Regards David -- David Morgan| University of Technology Sydney | morgan@socs.uts.edu.au _--_|\ | Po Box 123 Broadway NSW 2007 | Ph: + 61 2 330 1864 / \ | 15-73 Broadway Sydney | Fax: +61 2 330 1807 \_.--._/ ""I paid good money to get my opinions; you get them for free"" v ";17;1 "From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) Subject: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 51 Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a ""safe"" mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again. For that matter, why exactly were the Apollo lunar experiments ""turned off"" rather than just ""safed"". Was it political (i.e. as along as they could be used, someone would keep bugging congress for funds)? Turning them off keeps them pesky scientists out of the bureaucrat's hair.... I've heard the argument that an active but ""uncontrolled"" spacecraft causes ""radio noise."" I find that hard to believe that this could be a problem in a properly designed ""safe"" mode. This safe mode could be a program routine which causes the spacecraft to go to least fuel using orientation, and once a (week, month, year, whatever) attempts a signal lock on Earth. At that time, if funding has been restored, the mission can continue. If no signal is recieved, the spacecraft goes back to the safe mode for another time period. As we would know when the spacecraft is going to try to contact Earth, we could be prepared if necessary. As another a spacecraft could do at the attempted contact is beam stored data towards Earth. If someone can receive it, great, if not, so it's lost and no big deal. By making the time and signal location generally known, perhaps someone in the world might be able and willing to intercept the data even if they're not willing to contact the spacecraft. I see this as being particularly useful for spacecraft which could have an otherwise long life and are in or are going to places which are otherwise unaccessible (Jupiter/Saturn Orbit, exiting the solar system, etc). Perhaps those designing future spacecraft (Cassini, Pluto Flyby, etc) should consider designing in a ""pause"" mode in case their spacecraft gets the ax sometime in the future after completion of the primary mission. Perhaps Mars Observer and Galilleo could have some kind of routine written in for the post mission ""drift"" phase. So any holes in all this? /~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ | ""I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving | | the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the | | Moon and returning him safely to the Earth."" | | | ";-1;0 "From: adrian@ora.COM (Adrian Nye) Subject: widgets vs. gadgets Organization: O'Reilly and Associates, Inc. Lines: 15 Reply-To: adrian@ora.com NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu > I've been using the XmGraph widget that's been floating around and I > noticed the performance is significantly better using Gadgets, perhaps > even 100% faster. I had heard in an old programming course that gadgets > were no longer any benefit to performance, and that it's just as well > to use widgets everywhere. Interesting, I'd like to know why. But try it again on a single ethernet with 100 X terminals on it, and I think you'll find it much slower. Adrian Nye O'Reilly and Associates ";-1;0 "From: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu Subject: three homer games and Padres notes Reply-To: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu Organization: Pomona College Lines: 36 To all those out there wondering about who holds the record for three homer games ina career, the answer is Johnny Mize in his career with the Cards and the Yanks. He hit three 6 times. I am almost sure about this. In case anyone is wondering, the record for two homer games is held by Babe Ruth and is 72. Mize's record may not last for much longer because of Juan Gonzalez. He has at least three games with three and maybe 4. I know that he had at least two last year and one as a rookie. I don't have any record books at college for me to check on though. Please let me know, okay, if I am wrong. Onto the Padres. Is there anyone out there who follows them?- especial-ly those with access to local news? I don't here anything in Los Angeles and I can't get McPaper consistently around here. comment: It looks as though San Diego has gotten the better of the two deals that brought Bell and Plantier to the Padres. It has also forced the team to use Darrell Shermann. Of course, Plantier could get injured again or he could hit with the power of 91 but with a lower average. Bell always could finish with .240 and 15-18 hrs-essentially Jerald Clark's numbers. leadoff comment: Craig Shipley?????? I get on base 29% of the time if I'm lucky at leadoff? Hell, of the usual starters, use Gwynn. He's got 4 steals already. Is Shipley starting because of an injury to Stillwell, though? I haven't seen Stillwell's name in any box scores. Anyway unless you are going to use Shermann at leadoff then use Gwynn. He at lesat gets on base and this year is stealing bases. Sheffield comment: Though the season is early and stats mean nothing. Witness Phillips batting .500+ currently. But does Sheffield have an injury, or anythingelse wrong with him. I just don't hear anything. Andy Benes: Is he pitching like he did in the second half of '91? or is this a flash of promise that he throws out evrey now and then? Has anyone seen him pitch the two good games? score for today, Sunday april 18: Padres 10, St Louis 6. Padres sweep the Cardinals as Gwynn goes 5 for 5 with a homer. Sheffield and Tueful also homer in a winning cause. Thanks for listening-reading any comments???? Kelly Keach kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu ";14;1 "From: David Ruggiero Subject: Bare 386/25 Micronics system - $495 Originator: osiris@halcyon.com Reply-To: osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (David Ruggiero) Organization: [none - why fight entropy?] Distribution: na Lines: 35 ""Bare"" means what it says. You get a case, a power supply, and a motherboard (with RAM and a coprocessor). *Everything* else is yours to add as you like. The case/power supply: - Standard desktop case. 230watt power supply with the usual connectors. - Room for five floppy/hard drives (three visible, two internal). The motherboard: - US-made Micronics 8-slot motherboard with Intel 386dx/25mhz CPU - 64kb SRAM cache - 4mb 80us RAM using 4x1mb simms (worth $150 alone) - Cyrix 83D87 math coprocessor (worth $90 alone) - Norton SI 6.0 rating of 26.1 - Latest version Phoenix BIOS Please do not post/email saying ""but I can get a Taiwanese SuperClone 386/90 for only $9.95 including a free toaster!"". I am *certain* you can find a cheaper Brand X board without even breaking a sweat. *New* Micronics CPUs command a several-hundred dollar premium because they are US-made, use high-quality components, and are known to be both very reliable and compatible. They have been OEMed in systems sold by both Gateway and Zeos at various points in the past. (Check out the ads in the back pages of Byte or PC Magazine if you want to see this price differential for yourself.) Price: $495 complete, $100 less if you don't want/need the case and power supply. The board is fully guaranteed. Email for further details or for any questions. Thanks! -- David Ruggiero (jdavid@halcyon.com) Seattle, WA: Home of the Moss People ";-1;0 "From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: Brad Hernlem vs. principle Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu In his neverending effort to make sure that we do not forget what a moron he is, Brad Hernlem has asked why Israel rarely abides by UN Security Council resolutions. Perhaps the list below might answer the question. Incident Security Council Response ------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Hindu-Moslem clash in INdia, over 2,000 killed, 1990 NONE 2. Gassing to death of over 8,000 Kurds by NONE Iraqi Air Force, 1988-89 3. Saudi security forces slaughter NONE 400 pilgrims in Mecca, 1987 4. Killing by Algerian army of 500 demonstrators, 1988 NONE 5. Intrafada (Arabs killing Arabs) -- over 300 killed NONE 6. 30,000 civilians slaughtered by government NONE troops in Hama, Syria, 1982 7. Killing of 5,000 Palestinians by Jordanian troops, NONE thousands expelled, Sept., 1970 8. 87 Moslems killed in Egypt, 1981 NONE 9. 77 killed in Egyption bread riots, 1977 NONE 10. 30 border and rocket attacks against Israel by NONE the PLO in 1989 alone 11. Munich, 1972: 11 Israeli athletes slaughtered NONE 12. Ma'alot, 1974: children killed in PLO attack NONE 13. Israel Coastal bus attack: 34 dead, 82 wounded NONE 14. Syria kills 23,000 Palestinians, 1976 NONE 15. Lebanon: over 150,000 dead since 1975 NONE 16. Yemen: 13,000 killed in two weeks, 1986 NONE 17. Sudan: Tens of thousands of Black slaves, NONE Civil War toll, 1 million killed, 3 million refugees 18. Tienenman Square massacre 1989 NONE 19. Rumania, 3,000 killed, 1989 NONE 20. Pan Am 103 disaster carried out by the P.L.O NONE 21. Northern Ireland NONE 22. Cambodia NONE 23. Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan NONE 24. American riots at Attica, Watts, Newark, Kent State NONE 25. 1981: Israel destroys Iraqi reractor, Israel CONDEMNED 26. 1990: Israeli police protect Israeli worshipers CONDEMNED against Arab mob, 18 anti-Jewish rioters killed 27. Syrian soldiers slaughter Christian soldiers NONE after they surrender, 1990 It appears that Brad Hernlem and the United Nations Security Council have something in common. They both seem unfettered by the demands of acting on principle. ";-1;0 "From: fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. Article-I.D.: news.12787 Organization: Biochemistry Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: bruchner.biochem.duke.edu In article <1993Apr06.062907.108109@locus.com> aardvark@spica.la.locus.com (Warren Usui) writes: >In article gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: >>anyone who writes ""dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll >> have 324 home runs!"" should be shot. Now, on the other hand, Juan Gonzales probably DOES have a shot at 324 HR's. ;). >The Dodgers after one inning of play have committed one error. At this rate >they'll have 1,455 errors this season! >Well maybe I'm right this time... Actually, you might be underpredicting? ;) ------------------------------------------------------- Eric Roush fierkelab@ bchm.biochem.duke.edu ""I am a Marxist, of the Groucho sort"" Grafitti, Paris, 1968 TANSTAAFL! (although the Internet comes close.) -------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mcglob@usissc.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Brian.McGloin) Subject: Re: does dos6 defragment?? Reply-To: mcglob@usissc.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Brian.McGloin) Organization: DaytonOH.NCR.COM Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr5.060929.7806@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes: > >Well, the subject saysit all: does dos 6 do defragmentation?? > Yes, both dblspaced and non-dblspaced drives can be defragmented. I believe they use Norton's Speedisk. -- Brian T. McGloin | Lift your glasses, friend, with mine NCR Corp. | And raise your hand with me USG/ISS-OLS | I'm England stole, I'm Ireland spent Miamisburg, OH 45342 | I'm an outlawed rapparee ";-1;0 "From: lehr@austin.ibm.com (Ted Lehr) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Originator: lehr@jan.austin.ibm.com Distribution: inet Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 47 Gary Merrill writes: > .. Not every wild flight of fancy serves > (or can serve) in the appropriate relation to a hypothesis. It is > somewhat interesting that when anyone is challanged to provide an > example of this sort the *only* one they come up with is the one about > Kekule. Surely, there must be others. But apparently this is regarded > as an *extreme* example of a ""non-rational"" process in science whereby > a successful hypothesis was proposed. But how non-rational is it? Indeed, an extreme example. It came ""out of nowhere."" The connection Kekule saw between it and his problem is fortunate but not extraordinary. I, for example, often receive/conjure solutions (hypotheses for solutions) to my everyday problems at moments when I appear to myself to be occupied with activities quite removed. Algorithms for that new software feature come when I trample the meadow on my occasional runs. Alternative (better>) ways to instruct and rear my sons arrive while I weed the garden. I'll swear I am not thinking about any of it when ideas come. These ideas are not the stuff of ""great"" discoveries, of course, but my connecting them to particular problems is fraught with deliberation and occasional fits of rationality. > Surely it wasn't the *only* daydream [Kekule] had. What was special about > *this* one? Could it have had something to do with a perceived > *analogy* between the geometry of the snakes and problems concerning > geometry of molecules? Yes. And he was lucky to have such a colorful, vivid image. I, alas, will never figure out why returning worms to the loose soil of my garden brought, ""have him count objects instead of merely count"" to mind regarding my 2 year-old's fledging arithmetic skills. > ... Upon close examination, > is there a non-rational mystical leap taking place, or is it perhaps > closer to a formal (though often incomplete) analogy or model? The latter. Worms wiggling around in the dirt fascinate my son. Regards, Ted -- Ted Lehr | ""...my thoughts, opinions and questions..."" Future Systems Technology Group, AWS | IBM | Internet: lehr@futserv.austin.ibm.com Austin, TX 78758 | ";-1;0 "From: js1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Jiann-ming Su) Subject: Bonilla Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Distribution: usa Lines: 2 Bobby Bonilla supposedly use the word 'faggot' when he got mad at that author in the clubhouse. Should he be banned from baseball for a year like Schott? ";14;1 "From: alex@falcon.demon.co.uk (Alex Kiernan) Subject: Re: .SCF files, help needed Distribution: world Organization: DIS(organised) Reply-To: alex@falcon.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr22.123832.23894@daimi.aau.dk> rued@daimi.aau.dk writes: >RIX's files with the extension .sci and .scf are just a RAW file with >a 256 color palette. >...stuff deleted... >regards >Thomas > Do you happen to know what a .SCO RIX file is? -- Alex Kiernan akiernan@falcon.demon.co.uk ";-1;0 "From: tligman@bgsu.edu (Simurgh) Subject: Nintendo games and control deck Article-I.D.: andy.C52JzL.DD4 Distribution: na Organization: Bowling Green State Univ. Lines: 35 Forsale: Nintendo control Deck with two controllers and gun, one controller has grips attached. the NES will only connect to a composite monitor or TV with audio and video RCA Input jacks and needs some repairs. 25$ or best offer games for sale 15$ Tecmo Baseball 15$ Techmo Bowl 15$ Double Dribble 15$ Wayne Gretzky Hockey 15$ Golf 10$ Super Mario/Duck Hunt 15$ Super Mario II 20$ Super Mario III 15$ Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the Arcade game 15$ MegaMan 3 10$ Toobin' 10$ Spelunker 25$ Tecmo Super Bowl ============ 175$ total, I'll give all of them to you for the best offer and throw in the control deck... I'll also accept the best offer for each of the games individually. the oldest of these is two years old, most of them are less than a year old. Email at tligman@andy.bgsu.edu Phone at 1 (419) 372-5954 -- -Tom <<<>>>Warning, signature under construction, ENTER at your own RISC<<<>>> ";-1;0 "From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What??? Distribution: na Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 srihari@cirrus.com (Srihari Shoroff) writes: >In jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth) writes: >>>R&T had an article on cars of the SC1 ilk and they liked the Civic Ex, >>>the Escort GT and the MX-3 best of all, and the SC1 was way down the >>>list except for braking. >>I just looked at that article; first of all, this summary is inaccurate; >>of 10 cars, the SC1 was 5th, right behind these mentioned and the Suzuki >>Swift (!). As has been pointed out, it was a semi-silly comparison; the >>Saturn was at least $500 cheaper than the MX-3 and Escort (admittedly >>negligible, but an issue), and $1500 (!)less than the Honda. The stated >>goal was a base under $12k; the Honda was $500 over, while the SC2 at >>the same price was excluded. In other words, they let the best Honda >>play, but not the best Saturn. Note that the Saturn did beat the $13k >I dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest >assured that the street prices for the MX-3 and Escort and (maybe) even >the Honda will be lesser than that of the Saturn you're talking about. >All price comparisons I've seen are based on MSRP and of course the >saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others >will do it way below sticker. >Srihari I'd hate to rehash an old thread, but... Would someone kindly quote a prices that a dealer quotes for a Civic EX, and Escort GT. Also, I'm a assuming that the MX-3 was the V-6, so go ahead and look that up, too. If someone has one of those yearly buyers' guides that give a low quote price, please quote them, too. Then find the the SC1 base price. Thanks. -- Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu ******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** *""Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* *And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand""* ";-1;0 "From: tvartiai@vipunen.hut.fi (Tommi Vartiainen) Subject: Re: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NHL expansion) Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 51 In <1993Apr16.195754.5476@ousrvr.oulu.fi> mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen) writes: >: FINLAND: >: >: D-Jyrki Lumme.......20 >: D-Teppo Numminen....20 >: D-Peter Ahola.......13 >: >Well well, they don't like our defenders (mainly Lumme and Numminen)... About 25 is correct for Numminen and Lumme. >: R-Teemu Selanne.....27 >: >Compared to Kurri, Selanne's points are too high, lets make it 25 or 26. No, Kurri's points are too low. 27 for Kurri and 28 for Sel{nne. >: well in the Canada Cup and World Championships largely due to the efforts of >: Markus Ketterer (the goalie), 3-4 or the players listed above and luck. There's >: presumably a lot of decent players in Finland that wouldn't be superstars at >: the highest level but still valuable role players, however. My guess would be >: that the Finnish Canada Cup team would be a .500 team in the NHL. >Wow, now, it looks like you don't like our players? What about guys like: >Nieminen, Jutila, Riihijarvi, Varvio, Laukkanen, Makela, Keskinen and (even >if he is aging) Ruotsalainen? The main difference between finnish and North- >American players is, that our players tend to be better in the larger rink. >The Canadian defenders are usually slower that defenders in Europe. >And I think that there was more in our success than Ketterer and luck (though >they helped). I think that the main reason was, that the team worked well >together. That's true. Game is so different here in Europe compared to NHL. North-ame- ricans are better in small rinks and europeans in large rinks. An average european player from Sweden, Finland, Russian or Tsech/Slovakia is a better skater and puckhandler than his NHL colleague. Especially defenders in NHL are mainly slow and clumsy. Sel{nne has also said that in the Finnish Sm-league game is more based on skill than in NHL. In Finland he couldn't get so many breakaways because defenders here are an average much better skaters than in NHL. Also Alpo Suhonen said that in NHL Sel{nne's speed accentuates because of clumsy defensemen. I have to admit that the best players come from Canada, but those regulars aren't as skilful as regulars in the best european leagues. Also top europeans are in the same level as the best north-americans.(except Lemieux is in the class of his own). Tommi ";-1;0 "From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: , keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> |> >I want to know how this omniscient being is going to perform |> >the feat of ""definitely"" terming actions right or wrong. |> |> If you were omniscient, you'd know who exactly did what, and with what |> purpose in mind. Then, with a particular goal in mind, you sould be |> able to methodically judge whether or not this action was in accordance |> with the general goal. But now you are contradicting yourself in a pretty massive way, and I don't think you've even noticed. In another part of this thread, you've been telling us that the ""goal"" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive. But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some other species, either terrestrial or alien. Does that make it moral to do so? jon. ";-1;0 "From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com Subject: Serdar Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu You are such a LOSER!!!! ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: will@futon.webo.dg.com (Will Taber) Subject: Re: Being right about messiahs Lines: 41 In article 2262@geneva.rutgers.edu, Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley) writes: > I must have missed the postings about Waco, David Koresh, and the Second > Coming. How does one tell if a Second Coming is the real thing, unless the > person claiming to be IT is obviously insane? One rule of thumb is that if a person is making the claim, they are wrong. I was just reading John 14 this morning (I think that is the right chapter, anyway it is close and I don't have a Bible at work to check with.) and in it Jesus is talking to his disciples about his impending death and he says that he will be going away and then later he will be with them. He said something along the lines of ""I will be in you and you will be in me."" (Again I cannot provide the exact quote or citation.) Anyway, my understanding of this is that the Second Coming will not be an outward event. It is an inward event, Christ will come to live in our hearts and we will live in him. If you look for a person you will be deceived. It seems to me that the Jews had been looking for a Messiah that would be a political or military leader and so didn't recognize Jesus when he came. Jesus tried to show that his Kingdom was not of this earth. A lot of what I have seen written about the Second Coming seems to based on an expectation of Christ coming back and finally taking over the world and running it the way it should be. It sounds a lot like what the Jews were looking for. The First Coming wasn't like that and I see no reason for the Second Coming to be like that either. Oh and by the way, I don't expect it to happen once. There is no one Second Coming, there are a lot of little ones. Every time Christ comes into someones heart, Christ has come again. Peace, Will. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | William Taber | Will_Taber@dg.com | Any opinions expressed | | Data General Corp. | will@futon.webo.dg.com | are mine alone and may | | Westboro, Mass. 01580 | | change without notice. | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------- | When all your dreams are laid to rest, you can get what's second best, | | But it's hard to get enough. David Wilcox | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 16 Keith M. Ryan (kmr4@po.CWRU.edu) wrote: : : Wild and fanciful claims require greater evidence. If you state that : one of the books in your room is blue, I certainly do not need as much : evidence to believe than if you were to claim that there is a two headed : leapard in your bed. [ and I don't mean a male lover in a leotard! ] Keith, If the issue is, ""What is Truth"" then the consequences of whatever proposition argued is irrelevent. If the issue is, ""What are the consequences if such and such -is- True"", then Truth is irrelevent. Which is it to be? Bill ";9;1 "From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Re: Death Penalty / Gulf War (long) Lines: 346 In article <930420.105805.0x8.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew writes: > jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >>In article <930419.115707.6f2.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew >> writes: >>> Which ""liberal news media"" are we talking about? >> >> Western news in general, but in particular the American ""mass media"": >> CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. The general tone of the news during the whole >> war was one of ""those poor, poor Iraqis"" along with ""look how precisely >> this cruise missile blew this building to bits"". > > Most odd. Over here there was very little about the suffering of the Iraqi > civilians until towards the end of the war; and then it was confined to the > few remaining quality newspapers. True. At first, the news media seemed entranced by all the new gizmos the military was using, not to mention the taped video transmissions from the missiles as they zeroed in on their targets. But later, and especially after the bunker full of civilians was hit, they changed their tone. It seemed to me that they didn't have the stomach for the reality of war, that innocent people really do die and are maimed in warfare. It's like they were only pro-Gulf-War as long as it was ""nice and clean"" (smart missiles dropping in on military HQs), but not when pictures of dead, dying, and maimed civilians started cropping up. What naive hypocrites! > >>>> How about all the innocent people who died in blanket-bombing in WW2? >>>> I don't hear you bemoaning them! [ discussion about blanket-bombing and A-bombs deleted.] >>> >> All things considered, the fire-bombings and the atomic bomb were >> essential (and therefore justified) in bringing the war to a quick ^^^^^^^^^ >> end to avoid even greater allied losses. I should have said here ""militarily justified"". It seems from your comments below that you understood this as meaning ""morally justified"". I apologize. > > What about the evidence that America knew Japan was about to surrender after > Hiroshima but *before* Nagasaki? Is that another lie peddled by the liberal > media conspiracy? I have often wondered about this. I've always thought that the first bomb should have been dropped on Japan's island fortress of Truk. A good, inpenatrable military target. The second bomb could've been held back for use on an industrial center if need be. But I digress. Yes, I have heard that we found evidence (after the war, BTW) that Japan was seriously considering surrender after the first bomb. Unfortunately, the military junta won out over the moderates and rejected the US's ulimatum. Therefore the second bomb was dropped. Most unfortunate, IMO. > >> I, for one, don't regret it. > > Nuke a Jap for Jesus! > I don't regret the fact that sometimes military decisions have to be made which affect the lives of innocent people. But I do regret the circumstances which make those decisions necessary, and I regret the suffering caused by those decisions. [...] >>> Why all the fuss about Kuwait and not East Timor, Bosnia, or even Tibet? >>> If Iraq is so bad, why were we still selling them stuff a couple of weeks >>> before we started bombing? >> >> I make no claim or effort to justify the misguided foreign policy of the >> West before the war. It is evident that the West, especially America, >> misjudged Hussein drastically. But once Hussein invaded Kuwait and >> threatened to militarily corner a significant portion of the world's >> oil supply, he had to be stopped. > > Oh, I see. So we can overlook his using chemical weapons on thousands of > people, but if he threatens your right to drive a huge gas-guzzling car, > well, the man's gotta go. Actually, it was the fact that both situations existed that prompted US and allied action. If some back-water country took over some other back-water country, we probably wouldn't intervene. Not that we don't care, but we can't be the world's policman. Or if a coup had occured in Kuwait (instead of an invasion), then we still wouldn't have acted because there would not have been the imminent danger perceived to Saudi Arabia. But the combination of the two, an unprovoked invasion by a genocidal tyrant AND the potential danger to the West's oil interests, caused us to take action. > > [ I've moved a paragraph from here to later on ] > [...] >> >> If we hadn't intervened, allowing Hussein to keep Kuwait, then it would >> have been appeasement. > > Right. But did you ever hear anyone advocate such a course of action? Or > are you just setting up a strawman? > I'm not setting up a strawman at all. If you want to argue against the war, then the only logical alternative was to allow Hussein to keep Kuwait. Diplomatic alternatives, including sanctions, were ineffective. >>>> I guess we >>>> shouldn't have fought WW2 either -- just think of all those innocent >>>> German civilians killed in Dresden and Hamburg. >>> >>> Yes, do. Germans are human too, you know. >> >> Sure. What was truly unfortunate was that they followed Hitler in >> his grandiose quest for a ""Thousand Year Reich"". The consequences >> stemmed from that. > > Translation: ""They were asking for it"". > Well, in a sense, yes. They probably had no idea of what end Hitler would lead their nation to. > But what about those who didn't support Hitler's dreams of conquest? It's > not as if they democratically voted for all his policies. The NSDAP got 43% > in the elections of 1933, and that was the last chance the German people got > to vote on the matter. They suffered along with the rest. Why does this bother you so much? The world is full of evil, and circumstances are not perfect. Many innocents suffer due to the wrongful actions of others. It it regretable, but that's The-Way-It-Is. There are no perfect solutions. [...] >>> >>> I look forward to hearing your incisive comments about East Timor and >>> Tibet. >> >> What should I say about them? Anything in particular? > > The people of East Timor are still being killed by a dictatorship that > invaded their country. Hell, even Western journalists have been killed. All > this was happening before the Gulf War. Why didn't we send in the bombers to > East Timor? Why aren't we sending in the bombers NOW? Probably because we're not the saviors of the world. We can't police each and every country that decides to self-destruct or invade another. Nor are we in a strategic position to get relief to Tibet, East Timor, or some other places. > > [ Here's that paragraph I moved ] > >>> What's your intent? To sound like a Loving Christian? Well, you aren't >>> doing a very good job of it. >> >> Well, it's not very ""loving"" to allow a Hussein or a Hitler to gobble up >> nearby countries and keep them. Or to allow them to continue with mass >> slaughter of certain peoples under their dominion. So, I'd have to >> say yes, stopping Hussein was the most ""loving"" thing to do for the >> most people involved once he set his mind on military conquest. > > The Chinese government has a policy of mandatory abortion and sterilization > of Tibetans. Tibetan people are rounded up, tortured, and executed. Amnesty > International recently reported that torture is still widespread in China. > > Why aren't we stopping them? In fact, why are we actively sucking up to them > by trading freely with them? Tell me how we could stop them and I'll support it. I, for one, do not agree with the present US policy of ""sucking up to them"" as you put it. I agree that it is deplorable. > >>>> And as for poor, poor Rodney King! Did you ever stop and think *why* >>>> the jury in the first trial brought back a verdict of ""not guilty""? >>> >>> Yes. Amongst the things I thought were ""Hmm, there's an awful lot of white >>> people in that jury."" >> >> So? It was the *policemen* on trial not Rodney King!! > > Erm, surely it's irrelevant who's on trial? Juries are supposed to represent > a cross-section of the population. Are they? Or are they supposed to reflect the population of the locale where the trial is held? (Normally this is where the crime is committed unless one party or the other can convince the judge a change of venue is in order.) I'm not an expert on California law, or even US law, but it seems that this is the way the system is set up. You can criticize the system, but let's not have unfounded allegations of racial prejudice thrown around. > >> And under American law they deserved a jury of *their* peers! > > You are saying that black people are not the peers of white people? No, not at all. The point is that the fact that there were no blacks on the first jury and that Rodney King is black is totally irrelevant. > >> This point (of allegedly racial motivations) is really shallow. > > This idea of people only being tried before a jury of people just like them > is really stupid. Should the Nuremburg trials have had a jury entirely made > up of Nazis? Germans, perhaps. ""Peers"" doesn't mean ""those who do the same thing"", like having murderers judge murderers. It means ""having people from the same station in life"", presumably because they are in a better position to understand the defendent's motivation(s). > >>>> Those who have been foaming at the mouth for the blood of those >>>> policemen certainly have looked no further than the video tape. >>>> But the jury looked at *all* the evidence, evidence which you and I >>>> have not seen. >>> >>> When I see a bunch of policemen beating someone who's lying defenceless on >>> the ground, it's rather hard to imagine what this other evidence might have >>> been. >> >> So? It's ""hard to imagine""? So when has Argument from Incredulity >> gained acceptance from the revered author of ""Constructing a Logical >> Argument""? > > We're not talking about a logical argument. We're talking about a court of > law. As the FAQ points out, some fallacious arguments are not viewed as > fallacies in a court of law. OK, granted. However, you are using this reasoning as part of *your* logical argument in this discussion. This is not a court of law. > >> If the facts as the news commentators presented them are true, then >> I feel the ""not guilty"" verdict was a reasonable one. > > Were you not talking earlier about the bias of the liberal media conspiracy? > The media is not totally monolithic. Even though there is a prevailing liberal bias, programs such as the MacNeil-Lehrer News Hour try to give a balanced and fair reporting of the news. There are even conservative sources out there if you know where to look. (Hurrah for Rush!) BTW, I never used the word ""conspiracy"". I don't accept (without *far* more evidence) theories that there is some all-pervading liberal conspiracy attempting to take over all news sources. >>> ""Thou shalt not kill... unless thou hast a pretty good reason for killing, >>> in which case thou shalt kill, and also kill anyone who gets in the way, >>> as unfortunately it cannot be helped."" >>> -- Jim Brown Bible for Loving Christians >> >> Thanks mathew, I like the quote. Pretty funny actually. (I'm a >> Monty Python fan, you know. Kind of seems in that vein.) >> >> Of course, oversimplifying any moral argument can make it seem >> contradictory. But then, you know that already. > > Ha ha, only serious. > > I, an atheist, am arguing against killing innocent people. > > You, a supposed Christian, are arguing that it's OK to kill innocent people > so long as you get some guilty ones as well. Hardly. I didn't say that it's a Good Thing [tm] to kill innocent people if the end is just. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world and there are no perfect solutions. If one is going to resist tyranny, then innocent people on both sides are going to suffer and die. I didn't say it is OK -- it is unfortunate, but sometimes necessary. > > I, a moral relativist, am arguing that saturation bombing of German cities at > the end of World War II was (as far as I can see) an evil and unnecessary act. I would agree that it was evil in the sense that it caused much pain and suffering. I'm not so sure that it was unnecessary as you say. That conclusion can only be arrived at by evaluating all the factors involved. And perhaps it *was* unnecessary as (let's say) we now know. That doesn't mean that those who had to make the decision to bomb didn't see it as being necessary. Rarely can one have full known of the consequences of an action before making a decision. At the time it may have seemed necessary enough to go ahead with it. But don't assume that I feel the bombing was *morally* justified -- I don't! I just don't condemn those who had to make a difficult decision under difficult circumstances. > > You, having criticised moral relativism in the past, are now arguing that I am > in no position to judge the morality of allied actions at the end of the > War. You certainly are not in such a position if you are a moral relativist. I, as an absolutist, am in a position to judge, but I defer judgment. > You are arguing that the actions need to be assessed in the particular > context of the time, and that they might have been moral then but not moral > now. Wrong. They were neither moral then nor now. They seemed necessary to those making the decisions to bring a quick end to the war. I simply refuse to condemn them for their decision. > > Where's your Christian love? Where's your absolute morality? Oh, how quick > you are to discard them when it suits you. As Ivan Stang would say, ""Jesus > would puke!"" One day I will stand before Jesus and give account of every word and action; even this discourse in this forum. I understand the full ramifications of that, and I am prepared to do so. I don't believe that you can make the same claim. > > mathew And BTW, the reason I brought up the blanket-bombing in Germany was because you were bemoaning the Iraqi civilian casualties as being ""so deplorable"". Yet blanket bombing was instituted because bombing wasn't accurate enough to hit industrial/military targets in a decisive way by any other method at that time. But in the Gulf War, precision bombing was the norm. So the point was, why make a big stink about the relatively few civilian casualties that resulted *in spite of* precision bombing, when so many more civilians (proportionately and quantitatively) died under the blanket bombing in WW2? Even with precision bombing, mistakes happen and some civilians suffer. But less civilians suffered in this war than any other iany other in history! Many Iraqi civilians went about their lives with minimal interference from the allied air raids. The stories of ""hundreds of thousands"" of Iraqi civilian dead is just plain bunk. Yes, bunk. The US lost 230,000 servicemen in WW2 over four years and the majority of them were directly involved in fighting! But we are expected to swallow that ""hundreds of thousands"" of *civilian* Iraqis died in a war lasting about 2 months! And with the Allies using the most precise bombs ever created at that! What hogwash. If ""hundreds of thousands"" of Iraqi civilians died, it was due to actions Hussein took on his own people, not due to the Allied bombing. Regards, Jim B. ";-1;0 "Subject: Why isolate it? From: chinsz@eis.calstate.edu (Christopher Hinsz) Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Lines: 13 Does anyone on this newsgroup happen to know WHY morphine was first isolated from opium? If you know why, or have an idea for where I could look to find this info, please mail me. CSH any suggestionas would be greatly appreciated -- ""Kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb. Most of it's up, until you reach the very, very top, and then it tends to slope away rather sharply."" Sir George Head, OBE (JC) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ LOGIC: ""The point is frozen, the beast is dead, what is the difference?"" Gavin Millarrrrrrrrrr (JC) ";-1;0 "From: 06paul@ac.dal.ca Subject: My Predictions of a classic playoff year! Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Lines: 73 Here is yet another prediction for them great playoffs! (you may laugh at your convenience!) :) Adams Division (I hate the NE (name) divisoin!!!) BOS vs BUF BOS in 5 (the B's are hot lately!) MON vs QUE MON in 7 (This will be the series to watch in the first round!) BOS vs MON MON in 7 (this may be a bit biased but I feel the Canadiens will (smarten up and start playing they played two months ago ( i.e. bench Savard !!!) Patrick Division PIT vs NJD PIT in 6 (It wont be a complete cake walk... there be a few lumps (in the cake batter!) WAS vs NYI WAS in 6 (This will not be an exciting series..IMO) PITT vs WAS PIT in 4 (Washington will be tired after the NYI) Norris Division CHI vs StL CHI in 5 (StL will get a lucky game in) TOR vs DET TOR in 7 (THis , like MON vs QUE, will be another intense (series to watch!) CHI vs TOR TOR in 7 (Potvin will be settling in nicely by this point.) Smythe Division VAN vs WIN VAN in 5 (Teemu is great, but Vancouver better as a team!) CAL vs LAK CAL in 6 (Gretzky is great, but Calgary has been on fire lately) ...sorry for the pun... um, no I am not! :) VAN vs CAL VAN in 6 (This will be a great series! but VAN has proven they (Will not lie down and get beat!) Wales Conference finals Pittsburgh vs Montreal Montreal in 6 (Montreal IMHO is the only team (that has a chance against Pittsburgh.) Campbell Conference finals Vancouver vs Toronto Toronto in 6 (Potvin will be series MVP) STANLEY CUP FINALS Toronto Maple Leafs vs Montreal Canadiens (The Classic Stanley Cup Final matchup!!) <---also a dream come true! Montreal wins the Stanley cup in the 7th game 1 - 0 in double overtime. Roy and Potvin are spectacular throughout the series and share series MVP (if that is possible) Vincent Damphouse nets game winner from a brilliant pass by Brian Bellows! Canadiens star(?) Denis Savard watched his buddies play from the owners box nursing that splinter on his thumb which has left him on the disabled list since the first game of the playoffs (awww shucks). ***************************************YEE HAA!!******************************* *poof* And I wake up :) Well that is my predictions...I hope and dream they come true. and you can stop laughing anytime :) Paul Die hard Habs Fan living with 3 Die hard Leafs fans! ";13;1 "From: jerryb@eskimo.com (Jerry Kaufman) Subject: Re: prayers and advice requested on family problem Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <- Lines: 11 Cloak yourself in God's sustaining and abiding love. Pray, pray, pray. Pray for your brother, that he will assume the Godly role that is his. Pray for your sister-in-law, the what ever is driving her to separate your brother and herself from the the rest of the family will be healed. Pray for God to give you the peace in the knowledge that you may not be able to 'fix' it. From your description it would appear that it will require devine intervention, and the realization by your brother as to what his responsibilities are. Seek Godly counsel from your pastor, or other spiritually mature believer. Know always that He is akways there as a conforter, and will give you wisdon and direction as you call on Him. ";17;1 "From: m88max@tdb.uu.se (Max Brante) Subject: Atari Mono and VGA Organization: Department of Scientific Computing, Uppsala University Lines: 12 Have anybody succeded in converting a atari monomchrome monitor into a mono VGA monitor. If so please let me know exactly how you did and what graphics card you used. /Thanx __ __ _ _ l \ / l ___ ( \/ ) Max Brante m88max@tdb.uu.se l l l l l / _ \ \ / l l\_/l l( (_) l / \ Institutionen f|r teknisk databehandling l_l l_l \__l_l(_/\_) Uppsala Universitet ";-1;0 "From: Steve Frampton Subject: Is ""Kermit"" available for Windows 3.0/3.1? Summary: Looking for Windows Kermit. Keywords: windows kermit comm app Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca Distribution: world Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, Ontario, CANADA Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello all: I was wondering, is the ""Kermit"" package (the actual package, not a different program with Kermit file transfers) available for Microsoft Windows 3.0/3.1? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail or post. Thanks in advance! +--------+< Unabashed Shabba Ranks Fan! >+------+--------------------+ | Steve Frampton - frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca | Steve Frampton | | I collect postcards! If you send me one from | 501-A Princess St. | | your area, I'll send one in return. Send to >| Kingston, Ontario | | (Don't forget both email and mailing address) | CANADA K7L 1C3 | +-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > New to this planet ? EVERYTHING is dependent on either public > or political opinion, usually political. To imagine that > inalienable 'rights' are somehow wired into the vast cold > cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion. ""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."" Declaration of Independence 4 July 1776 aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu ";-1;0 "From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) Subject: Re: Christian Daemons? [Biblical Demons, the update] Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 61 In article <1993Apr1.024850.20111@sradzy.uucp>, radzy@sradzy.uucp (T.O. Radzykewycz) writes: > >>swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes: > >>> 666, the file permission of the beast. > > >radzy@sradzy.uucp (T.O. Radzykewycz) writes: > >> Sorry, but the file permission of the beast is 600. > >> > >> And the file permission of the home directory of the > >> beast is 700. > > boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes: > >Hey, radzy, it must depend on your system's access policy. > >I get: > > $ ls -lg /usr/users > > total 3 > > drwxrwxrwx 22 beast system 1536 Jan 01 1970 beast > > drwxr-x--x 32 boylan users 2048 Mar 31 09:08 boylan > > drwxr-xr-x 2 guest users 512 Sep 18 1992 guest > > $ su > > Password: > > root $ su beast > > beast $ umask > > 111 > > beast $ ^D > > root $ ^D > > $ > > Just a minute.... > > $ grep beast /etc/passwd > beast:k5tUk76RAUogQ:497:0:Not Walt Disney!:/usr/users/beast: > $ mv /usr/users/beast/.profile /usr/users/beast/.profile, > $ echo umask 077 >> /usr/users/beast/.profile > $ cat > /usr/users/beast/.profile > chmod 700 /usr/users/beast > mv .mailrc .mailrc, > echo beast logged in | mail radzy%sradzy@jack.sns.com > mv .mailrc, .mailrc > mv /usr/users/beast/.profile, /usr/users/beast/.profile > ^D > $ chmod 777 /usr/users/beast/.profile > $ cat /usr/users/beast/.profile, >> /usr/users/beast/.profile > > > > I think you made a mistake. Check it again. > I see . . . you're not running Ultrix! :-) - - Steve -- Don't miss the 49th New England Folk Festival, April 23-25, 1993 in Natick, Massachusetts! ";19;1 "From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu Wasn't it Tricky Dick who issued stern warnings to Bush & Clinton not to 'Lose Russia'? (a la 'Who lost China?') ";-1;0 "From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 56 In article 6143@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <1993Apr14.201910.13370@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: >>1. You have completely missed the point with the Selke trophy. It goes >>to the best defensive forward. This is the forward who forgoes points >>to help his team out defensively. It is an unsung hero of sorts. Yes, >>Lemieux and Gilmour are good defensive players, but they play a more >>offensively oriented style than a true defensive forward. This year, > >You mean guys that check but can't score? The guys who can both check >and score shouldn't be candidates? Is that right? The Selke candidate forwards main purpose on a shift is to prevent goals from being scored- not to score them. When Lemieux or Gilmour play their number one purpose is to score- defence is secondary- especially considering the line that plays against them is probably a defensive one. That is why they are not Selke candidates. >>2. When Tarasov called Bob Gainey the best player in the world, it was >>assumed that he meaned the best _technical_ player- the one who knew >>every intricacy about playing hockey and never made a technical error. > >And who was it that made this assumption? All of your friends maybe? >Sorry Greg, but 2 people aren't enough...you can ""assume"" all that you >want to, but if you think Tarasov was serious then you are an idiot. Someone posted something about this assumption being lost in translation (it was a few months ago). Whoever this was please repost it. >>I agree with this assessment. Bob Gainey may have been the best technical >>player ever. > >Right Greg. Did you see this in the Sun or something? What did you think >of Claude Provost? Gainey was nothing more than a journeyman player who's >outstanding abilities were entirely political. He might have had a col- >lection of defensive skills but he had absolutely no offensive skills at >all. None. But perhaps you think that the abilities to pass the puck, shoot >the puck and deke a goalie or defenseman are not technical skills? Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment. He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you ever watch him play? He never made a technical error. >Gee Greg, the pundits were calling Gilmour the best two-way player in the >league way back when he was with St. Louis. I would have expected you to >have picked up on that. Who are these pundits?? Gilmour was good with St Louis- but he was not the best two-way player in the game when he was with them. You have overhyped Gilmour on this net for months. He is a very good forward- but hardly the best in the NHL. Gregmeister ";-1;0 "From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: The Evidence Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 28 In article <115298@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes: > BK: # ##So tell me---what's immoral about homosexuality? # # CC: # #The promiscuity and fetishism that characterizes it. # # Hmmm. # # I've told you more than once that I've been monogamous for almost 4 years # now, and that I really don't get into fetishes. Then you are nearly the only homosexual who is. I don't believe you. You've changed your story before. # Yet you maintain my homosexual activity is still immoral. # # Care to elaborate? # # For that matter, explain why fetishes are immoral? # # kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University, The fact that your fetish is more important than who you are making love to. (Actually, in your case, ""having sex with."") -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. ";-1;0 "From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) Subject: Re: problem with xvertext package Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout Lines: 22 In article <1993Mar31.181357.28381@sierra.com> dkarr@sierra.com (David Karr) writes: Organization: Thinkage Ltd. Expires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 11:00:00 GMT Lines: 36 Anyone interesting in a mailing list for Harley-Davidson bikes, lifestyle, politics, H.O.G. and whatever over 310 members from 14 countries make it, may subscribe by sending a request to: harley-request@thinkage.on.ca or uunet.ca!thinkage!harley-request *** * Your request to join should have a signature or something giving your full * Email address. Do not RELY on the header ""From:"" field being useful to me. * * This is not an automated ""listserv"" facility. Do not expect instant * gratification. *** The list is a digest format scheduled for twice a day. Members of the harley list may obtain back-issues and subject-index listings, pictures, etc. via an Email archive server. Server access is restricted to list subscribers only. FTP access ""real soon"". Other motorcycle related lists i've heard of (not run by me), these addresses may or may not be current: 2-stroke: 2strokes-request@microunity.com Dirt: dirt-request@zygot.ati.com European: listserv@frigg.isc-br.com Racing: race-request@formula1.corp.sun.com digest-request@formula1.corp.sun.com Short Riding: short-request@smarmy.sun.com Wet Leather: listserv@frigg.isc-br.com --- It climbs the hills like a Matchless 'cause my Honda's built really light... -Brian Wilson (Honda Honda) ";-1;0 "From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 74 >[I think you're talking about the ""assumption of the Blessed Virgin >Mary"". It says that ""The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin >Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed >body and soul into heavenly glory."" This was defined by a Papal >statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some >before that. Like the Immaculate Conception, this is primarily a >Roman Catholic doctrine, and like it, it has no direct Biblical >support. Note that Catholics do not believe in ""sola scriptura"". >That is, they do not believe that the Bible is the only source of >Christian knowledge. Thus the fact that a doctrine has little >Biblical support is not necessarily significant to them. They believe >that truth can be passed on through traditions of the Church, and also >that it can be revealed to the Church. I'm not interested in yet >another Catholic/Protestant argument, but if any Catholics can tell us >the basis for these beliefs, I think it would be appropriate. --clh] In the Bible, there are a lot of instances where God speaks to people, where a person just ""came to know"" some piece of information, where a person walks off into the desert for ""40 days"", etc. With all of God's power He certainly can do whatever He wants when He wants it. The Bible ""ends"" with the book of Revelations. But does God's reign end there ? No. So who can say for sure that God's messages are either no longer happening or still happening ? I can now hear the clamor for proof. 8-) With the cold response I've gotten from the past from this group, it's very hard to get the point across. I'll only go over the physical stuff so that skeptics can look at documents stored somewhere. I've cited the uncorrupted bodies of saints before. They're still there. 8-) The apparitions at Fatima, Portugal culminated in a miracle specifically granted to show God's existence. That was the spinning/descending of the sun. It was seen in several countries. That event is ""approved"" by the Pope. Currently, images of Mary in Japan, Korea, Yugoslavia, Philippines, Africa are showing tears (natural or blood). These are still under investigation by the Church. But realize that investigations take decades to finish. And if the message is Christ will come in ten days, that's a bit too late, isn't it 8-). Other events under investigation are inner locutions (""coming to know""), stigmata (the person exhibits Christ's wounds. And they don't heal. And doctor's don't know why). Non-believers are welcome to pore through documents, I'm sure. This stuff is not like Koresh. Or Oral Roberts (give me $5M or God will call me home). It's free. Find out why they're happening (as we ourselves are studying why). If anybody can figure this out, tell us ! You can be of any religion. If you have the resources, go to one of the countries I mentioned. These are not ""members only"" events. God and Mary invites everybody. So in conclusion (finally) ... We RC's believe in the modern day manifestations of God and Mary. We are scared to death sometimes although we're told not to. There are more proofs and events. And that is why ""not everything is in the Bible"". Although in a lot of the apparitions, we are told to read the Bible. As far as the Protestant vs. Catholics issue is concerned... In the end, God's churches will unite. I'm not sure how. I have some idea. But the point is we shouldn't worry about the ""versus"" part. Just do God's work. That's all that matters. Unity will come. BTW, I'm just a plain person. I'm not the Pope's spokesperson. But I am RC. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | The Lost Los Angelino | ";-1;0 "From: dsoconne@quads.uchicago.edu (Daniel S OConnell) Subject: Re: Religion and homosexuality Keywords: being liberal Reply-To: dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Distribution: usa Lines: 32 > magarret@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (COMPUTER DUDETTE) writes: >I just recently realized that I am bisexual, and also just recently returned to >religion, and have a good friend who has pointed out to me that homosexuality >is a sin in the bible. Well, I don't see how it could be considered a sin, First of all as far as I know, only male homosexuality is explicitly mentioned in the bibles, so you're off the hook there, I think. In any event, there are *plenty* of people in many denominations who do not consider a person's sexual identification of gay/lesbian/bisexual as an ""immoral lifestyle choice"" >Also, I have always been a somewhat liberal feminist, and am pro-choice, and it >seems that being pro-choice and being religious don't mix either. I am told This is another misconception. You are not being told the whole story. My former minister is a lesbian, and I know personally and professionally several openly gay and lesbian ministers. I am a Unitarian-Universalist and like most others in my denomination, am pro-choice. You needn't go looking to the Unitarian Universalists (which is a liberal religion) for acceptance of your sexual identification and pro-choice views, however; there are many of us who believe in spirituality AND freedom of conscience. Good Luck on your journey! -- Daniel O'Connell Meadville/Lombard Theological School University of Chicago Divinity School ";-1;0 "From: dan@Ingres.COM (a Rose arose) Subject: Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor Organization: Representing my own views here only. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Distribution: usa Lines: 97 regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes: : In article <1993Mar30.001428.7648@pony.Ingres.COM> dan@Ingres.COM (a Rose arose) writes: : : Seriously, though, Griffen didn't save the lives of children, and he did : destroy the life of a man, so on the most superficial of levels, he's scum. : I almost agree, but Griffen is not scum. Scum has no guilt or freedom to choose anything. Griffen does. God did not make scum when he made Griffen. He made a precious person and this person chose to do wrong. The same goes for Dr. Gunn. : But if you are to examine it more closely, Griffen would have preferred that : these children were born -- yet AFTER their birth, did Griffen have any : assistance to offer them? Did Griffen intend to support them, educate them, : raise them up to be useful citizens? Did he have any intent whatsoever : to help these children after birth? : Here's the real problem. Americans have become so insensitive to the needs of others and so completely wrapped up in themselves that they cannot see straight or think clearly enough to make even the slightest and most obvious moral decisions based on reality. If a man abandons a woman to care for their child on her own, he is not considered to be a very respectable or decent man by anyone. This man has fled his responsibility, has behaved like a lazy coward, and has turned away from his responsibility to his wife and child. However, if a woman decides to kill her unborn child to release her burden, she is not thought of in the same way. When the man abandons, the woman suffers but the child is free to grow up and live a happy and normal life. When the woman abandons, the child is diced or killed with saline or vacuumed out, and the man has no choice, and the man sometimes suffers so badly that he wishes he could trade places with his child. Ths root of this whole problem is selfishness--the arrogance that says, ""My feelings and desires are supreme and your well being is not worth dung."" And when you come down to it, this is the substance of what hell is made of. It's the reason a loving God can throw selfish people to the devil and his demons for all of eternity. Let any one of us unrepentant into heaven, and we'll ruin it the first chance we get. : Now, I don't really know the answer to these questions, but I've got a real : good guess. : And, it's probably right. : And I wouldn't call *that* 'benevolent', either. : It is a move in the right direction. As it is now, we don't see our responsibility because we kill it and get it out of sight. The media backs us completely. Real responsibility does not sell. The only ""responsibility"" that sells in the marketplace is that which is just enough to make us ""feel responsible"" without showing anything that might show us our own true irresponsibility. We want to ""feel"" like good people, but we want nothing with *being* good people. Just give me the freedom to say ""I'm good"", and the rest of the world can burn. Rape and kill my children and throw my parents to the places where poor old folks rot until they're dead. I'll hate my brother and sister if I wish and I'll cheat on my wife or husband. Screw the government, because it screws me, and don't talk to me about giving to the church because church people are all a bunch of money grubbing hypocrites. But, I'm a good person. At least I admit what I do. At least I love myself and we all know that is the greatest love in the world--not that a man lay down his life for his brother...That sounds too ""christian"". At the root, this is the substance of what hell is made of. We've become a self indulgant, backslidden society no longer responsible to our children, to our parents, to our families, to our government, or to our God. This is the root behind justification of every evil, of every corruption in government, of every slanderous remark, of every lie, and of every murder. Society cannot continue to live like this long. it will have to destroy itsself soon, and perhaps in the end, that will be the biggest blessing this world can hope to see. Why do people see so much evil in trying to turn this situation around? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I deplore the horrible crime of child murder... We want prevention, not merely punishment. We must reach the root of the evil... It is practiced by those whose inmost souls revolt from the dreadful deed... No mater what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed... but oh! thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime."" - Susan B. Anthony, The Revolution July 8, 1869 ";-1;0 "From: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su (Yarabayeva Albina Nikolayevna) Subject: FOR SALE:high-guality conifer oil from Russia,$450/ton,400 ton Reply-To: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su Distribution: eunet Organization: Firm ERIDAN Lines: 1 Inguiry by address:er1@eridan.chuvashia.su ";-1;0 "From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) Subject: Re: Do they really believe? Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu In article <1993Apr5.150031.3123@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes: > > Q: Do you think that HIC et al really believe that the laws >that they are trying to get passed are for the good or are they just >lying through their teeth and trying to disarm the populace? I think that HCI people honestly believe that passing more gun control laws will be in the best interests of public safety. Why do I think this? Because I used to buy the HCI line. During my freshman year (1987), their line made so much sense -- only people who ""need"" guns should be able to get them, and the people who ""need"" them are the police and other elites. Unfortunately for us, this position is highly emotional and not well thought-out. They never stop to think that HCI's position basically says that the non-elite are incompetents (that's you and me, folks!) and that the Second Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting or other ""legitimate"" uses (which excludes overthrowing tyrannical governments and defending yourself when the police have proven they can't protect you). > We all know that the end result, regardless of the intention, >will be to have a MUCH easier to subdue population for the UN/NWO. >This is definitely a motivation of many in power, but I wonder to >what degree this is planned vs just duped. Every pro-control person I've talked to is always left stumped when I simply argue the facts of gun control (that it has yet to be proven to lower crime rates) and weapons terminology (and I'm no expert -- but explaining exactly how an ""evil"" semiautomatic weapon really works does wonders). I hvae personally found well-reasoned arguments to be most effective against the emotional pro-control people. The trick is to get them to realize that the Second Amendment exists not for hunters but for the oppressed and the terrorized. Daryl Daryl Biberdorf N5GJM d-biberdorf@tamu.edu + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura ";-1;0 "From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Distribution: na Lines: 268 clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: > The President today announced a new initiative that will bring > the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary > program to improve the security and privacy of telephone > communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law > enforcement. A nice formulation for the introduction of the first encryption devices with built-in trapdoors - just like the Feds wanted... > For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our > private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the > tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of > protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate > the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and > law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against > industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. Bla-bla. > protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption > technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the > unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used > by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. Indeed, and the current proposal does nothing to prevent the latter. > an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications > using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in > commercial use today. This doesn't say much. There are many incredibly weak encryption algorithms in commercial use today... > This new technology will help companies protect proprietary > information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations > and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted > electronically. Except from the government. > At the same time this technology preserves the > ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to > intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. Nope. The criminals won't be stupid enough to use the new chip, they'll use something secure. This technology provides only means to intercept the phone conversations of people who are stupid enough to use it. > agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the > device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately > in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the > Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to > government officials with legal authorization to conduct a > wiretap. That is, the government has the keys. It doesn't matter much if they are in one or in two of its hands... > The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no > new authorities to access the content of the private > conversations of Americans. Correct. It does, however, provide those Americans with the false sense of privacy. > devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the > government will be offered access to the confidential details of > the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report > their findings. If the screening is not public, it cannot be trusted. Some people do not trust DES even today, after all the examinations - only because some parts of its design were kept secret. > The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of > encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the > privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield > criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other > approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access > to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it > to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology So they'll use a different technology to hide their illegal activities. So will those law-abiding citizens, who do not trust their government not to misuse its abilities to decrypt their conversations. > -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to > employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; Except from the government. > -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export > high technology products. Huh? Later it says that the new technology will be export restricted. > Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important > role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act > quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding > its use. The Administration is committed to policies that > protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting > them from those who break the law. In short, the new technology can: 1) Protect the law abiding citizen's privacy from the casual snooper. It cannot: 1) Protect him from the government, if it decides to misuse its ability to decrypt the conversations. 2) Protect him from the criminals who succeed to break the new encryption scheme or to steal the keys, or to bribe the people who handle them, etc. 3) Prevent the criminals from using secure encryption for communication. > Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government > agencies to listen in on phone conversations? > A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with > no new authorities to access the content of the private > conversations of Americans. Correct. However, it does not provide them that much privacy as it claims. > Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? > A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent > entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the > Administration have yet to determine which agencies will > oversee the key-escrow data banks. Two candidates: the NSA and the Mafia. > Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure > how strong the security is? > A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption > systems readily available today. That is, ""trust us"". > While the algorithm will > remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow ""Security through obscurity"". > system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of > cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all > potential users that there are no unrecognized > vulnerabilities. If it's not entirely open to public examination, it cannot be trusted. Besides, who can prove that the devices used for examination and the ones built into your phones will be the same? > Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? > A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the The NSA and the FBI? > Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? > A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on > encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify > as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have > briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the > decisions related to this initiative. Why did they ""forget"" the Academia? > Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? > A: The government designed and developed the key access > encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the > microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product > manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip > manufacturer that produces them. Doesn't this smell to monopolism? > Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? > A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, > California, and will sell the chip to encryption device > manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed > to other vendors in the future. Like the Mafia? > Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological > solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be > willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more > powerful encryption devices? This is the main question, why was it buried at the end? > A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be > considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow ""We'll see"". > mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product > that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive > than others readily available today, but it is just one ""Trust us"". > The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption > threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, > we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have In short, ""If we decide to outlaw strong crypto, we'll tell you"". > effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every > American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an > unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a Since the US government seems to consider strong crypto as munitions and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of right, to an unbreakable commercial encryption product? > A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption > technology in telecommunications and computing and are > committed to working with industry and public-interest > groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' > privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law > enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime > and terrorism. Bullshit. The proposed technology provides a false sense of security, encryption devices with built-in capabilities for breaking the encryption, does not prevent the criminals to use strong crypto, and is a step to outlaw strong crypto. > Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use > the government hardware? > A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control > requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is > required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The Who was the optimist who believed that the new administration will leave the export controls on strong crypto devices? OK, I'm not American, it's not my business, but I just couldn't resist to comment... The whole plot looks so totalitaristic... It's up to you, Americans, to fight for your rights. Regards, Vesselin P.S. Now is the time for David Sternlight to pop up and claim that the new system is great. -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany ";-1;0 "From: Nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk (Nigel Ballard) Subject: Re: Adult Chicken Pox Distribution: world Organization: Infamy Inc. Reply-To: Nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) Lines: 19 >I am 35 and am recovering from a case of Chicken Pox which I contracted >from my 5 year old daughter. I have quite a few of these little puppies >all over my bod. At what point am I no longer infectious? My physician's >office says when they are all scabbed over. Is this true? I have been in the same boat as you last year. I've tried four times to send you an email response, but your end doesn't seem to accept my mail? Please let me know if you receive this. Cheers Nigel ************************************************************************ * NIGEL BALLARD | INT: nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk | VACANT LOT * * BOURNEMOUTH UK | CIS: 100015.2644 RADIO-G1HOI | FOR RENT * ************************************************************************ DIARIES OF THE FAMOUS... Colonel Custer...Surrounded by Indians, just when I fancied a Chinese! ";-1;0 "From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) Subject: Re: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo? Article-I.D.: research.1993Apr6.175149.25051 Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. Lines: 19 In article <6APR93.15402582@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes: >I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo. I'm >considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US) >with 30,000 km on the odo. This will be my first bike. Any comments? Don't just nab it, POUNCE on it. These are fairly rare bikes, and they are MORE than adequate for putting a big brown stripe in your shorts. Does a 50mph power wheelie appeal to you? I thought it would... Only really bad things: the stock clutch isn't up to the task. Barnett can take care of this. The back tire wears quickly (gee, wonder why?), and the induction system is a bear to work on. Later, -- Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. ";7;1 "From: elliott@optilink.COM (Paul Elliott) Subject: Re: A loathesome subject Summary: Why the ""quote marks"", Roy? Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products Lines: 33 In article roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) writes: >Anyone with any degree of sensitivity or awareness has to be >concerned about the horrendous amount of ""child abuse"" that >exists in this country. [...] > >The critical factor here is whether the sexual activity is ""forced"" [...] > >When a child is ""forced"" there is often ""damage"", on the other hand, >""consensual"" relationships are often found to be ""positive experiences"" >for all concerned. [...] > >Roy Radow roy@panix.com ...rutgers!cmcl2!panix!roy >North American Man/Boy Love Association -For a packet containing a sample Why all the quote marks, Roy? I can see that they might be appropriate where there is a legitimate concern that the words are being distorted by context, or that they have been appropriated Newspeak-style, but, reading your comments above, one might be excused if they assumed that you were claiming that ""child abuse"", ""forced"" sexual activity, and ""damage"" caused by this is non-existant or greatly overblown. ""Positive experiences"", indeed! -Paul Elliott (Member in good standing of the Optilink Mafia) -- -------- Paul Elliott - DSC Optilink - Petaluma, CA USA ---------- {uunet,pyramid,tekbspa}!optilink!elliott -or- elliott@optilink.com ""I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure."" ";18;1 "Subject: ===> EPS display software? From: HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca Organization: BC Systems Corporation Nntp-Posting-Host: bcsc02.gov.bc.ca Lines: 4 Does any one know of any shareware/freeware software which lets one display EPS files on a PC with DOS and/or Windows??? Your reply would be much appreciated. Thanks. Hal Adam, HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca ";-1;0 "From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) Subject: Re: Help wanted Organization: Macquarie University Lines: 54 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au In article <1993Apr20.071549.24839@csc.canberra.edu.au>, u934132@student.canberra.edu.au (Ogawa / Taro Stephen (ISE)) writes: |> Could someone please tell me if a 1/4 decoder is the same as a 1 to 4 |> demultiplexer. I know how to link 2 of these to get an 8 output circuit, |> but how do I link 5 of these to make a 1/16 multiplexer. Sorry if this |> seems like a lame question, but I'm only a newbie to electronics, and I |> have to do this circuit. Please make any mail as droolproof as possible. |> |> Thanx, |> Taro Ogawa |> (u934132@student.canberra.edu.au) A 1 of 4 decoder need not be the same as a 1 to 4 demultiplexer, although many commercial SSI implementations allow you to use one as such. Strictly, a 1 of 4 decoder need only take two lines in and make one output change state, according to the inputs. A demux, on the other hand, uses two control inputs to determine which of four outputs will reflect the state of the input signal. So there are three inputs required. A decoder can be used as a demux if it is equipped with an output enable input, since this can be used as the data input (e.g. when high, all outputs are high; when low, only the selected (by control inputs) output will be low). An eight way decoder is created by using the high order bit (bit 2) to select which of two four way demuxes is enabled. Thus you achieve your aim of having only one output of eight reflecting the input bits. Note that this method cannot be used to create a true eight way demux, since you have no data input (the enable line on a four way decoder) left once you commit the enable lines to their intended purpose. A sixteen way decoder obviously requires four, four-way decoders, plus a mechanism to enable only one of the four at a time. Therefore, use the fifth decoder, attached to the two high order bits, to provide the four enable lines. Of course, the two low order bits must be connected in parallel to the four final stage decoders. Please give me the credit when you submit your homework. JohnH ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ |_ _ |_| _ _| _| Electronics Department |_| (_) | | | | | | (_| (_| (_| \/ School of MPCE ---------------------------------/- Macquarie University Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109 Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel) Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH. Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr20.151912.18590@midway.uchicago.edu> am37@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >Unless I am completely misunderstanding you, try using either Notepad or >sysedit.exe (found in your system subdirectory) to edit you .ini files. You can add sysedit (& regedit) to a program group... they are Windows programs. >The sysedit.exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win.ini, >system.ini, autoexec.bat and config.sys files to be edited. Is it possible to get it to load other *.ini files ???? >Drewster (am37@kimbark.uchicago.edu) > -- |E-mail --> un*x: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu |vms: andys@psc.plymouth.edu | |Disclaimer > Any ""end-user"" software that provides NO avenue for user | |of the week> modification or programmability is NOT user friendly. | ";6;1 "From: ad060@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Waschkowski) Subject: Re: File Manager problem Reply-To: ad060@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Waschkowski) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 29 In a previous article, mrw54660@eng-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R Whitchurch) says: >Whenever I start File Manager, the status bar is not displayed, >even though it is selected in the options menu. If I deselect it, >then select it again, the bar appears. Anyone have any ideas why >this is happening? No, not really. It may be that your winfile.ini has gotten corrupted for some unknown reason. Have you tried re-creating it by either 1.exiting filemanager with the save setting option on when the status bar is visible, or 2.double clicking on the Control menu(the one with minimize and maximize in in) when everything looks proper? If you have, and it still doesn't work, you may want to delete your winfile.ini and try one of these two saving procedures again to totally recreate the file from scratch. Good luck! Mark Waschkowski -- ";-1;0 "From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Distribution: usa Lines: 30 As quoted from by rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat): > > | Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. > | It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production > | would have to be local. There are not all that many people > | who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile > | firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could > | obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and > | average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would > | pay through the nose for it. > > This is not borne out of reality; the old Soviet Union had a very > serious domestic handgun and submachinegun trade, guns that were > of commercial grade because they were produced in honest-to-goodness > machineshops. Why would all production have to be local; don't we > have a road system that is the envy of the world? > If anybody wanted proof of the nonsense of the ""you can't build guns"" claim, they need look no farther than the Philippines. Amateur gunsmiths there regularly produce everything from .45 automatics to full auto shotguns. Now if this guy wants to claim that the Philippines is either technologically superior to the US or that their transportation is better than ours, all I can say is that he's living in a fantasy world. -- =================================================================== ""You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas"" - Holly Silva ";-1;0 "From: dewey@risc.sps.mot.com (Dewey Henize) Subject: Re: sci.skeptic.religion (Was: Why ALT.atheism?) Organization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: thug.sps.mot.com In article <93103.071613J5J@psuvm.psu.edu> John A. Johnson writes: > >Standard groups (sci, soc, talk) must conform to stricter rules when being >established and must show a certain volume of postings or else they will >cease to exist. These groups also reach more sites on USENET than alt >groups. I already posted my opinion to mathew's suggestion, which was that >alt.atheism is on the verge of having too many garbage postings from >fundies, and ""elevating"" its status to a standard group (and consequently, >the volume of such postings) could make it unreadable. I tend to agree. I came here when it first started and watched it grow from the roots on talk.religion.misc. It seemed to take a while for enough atheists to come forward to get past the ""Let's trash Xians"" and such. Now there's a stable core, and frankly there's a feeling that this is _our_ group. If we go mainstream, we're going to be in a lot more places. And every fucking fundy loonie freshman will be dumping on us to find Jeesus! and warn us that we're all going to Hell. Want to see what we'll get? Go real alt.fan.brother-jed and imagine that those imbecilic tirades will be here. All the time. Every other post. I'm being selfish. I find I really learn a lot here and the S/N isn't too bad. The Browns and the Boobys are a distraction, but they are few enough that they even bring in some of the leavening needed to offset them. But I greatly fear that mainstreaming would basically put us at the swamping level of the Conners of the world. Regards, Dew -- Dewey Henize Sys/Net admin RISC hardware (512) 891-8637 pager 928-7447 x 9637 ";-1;0 "From: rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) Subject: Re: Celebrate Liberty! 1993 X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 10 This is as bad as the ""Did You Know"" Japan bashing of 2 weeks ago. After finding this set of postings for the third time I hope no one shows up. I don't know why fools insist on posting to every group. It just agrevates people. -- Rod Anderson N0NZO | The only acceptable substitute Boulder, CO | for brains is silence. rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu | -Solomon Short- satellite N0NZO on ao-16 | ";-1;0 "From: V2110A@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (Richard Hoenes) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Temple University Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm.temple.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 In article cjk@netcom.com writes: >This was obviously a lot different than the ordinary FBI adventure. > >I believe that the Federal officers had a conflict of interests here. > >Throught out the whole affair, it seamed to me that they were chiefly >concerned with saving face rather than saving lifes. Its true that >The BD were resisting arrest and that they should have surrendered >when they first realized that these where federal officers. But they >didn`t. I'm not sure what you mean by 'saving face' unless you are confusing the FBI with the BATF who are the ones who were in charge of the original search warrant. >But when they didn`t, the FBI should not have treated as a hostage >situation, it wasn't. > >I think more discussions, possible independant negotiators, and >family intervention should have been used. > Independant Negotiators? What was there to negotiate? Any sort of plea bargin has to be brought to the court, the negotiators can't negotiate charges or sentences. FBI negotitators did make a deal for the Dividians to come out. Koresh showed he was not negotiating in good faith and there is no reason to believe independent negotiators would have done any better. Richard ";19;1 "From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. Keywords: Nuclear Lines: 33 swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) writes: >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? >I hope someone can help The actual hourglass is hollow and is designed to generate a draft, exploiting the venturi effect. Around the base of the hourglass is a ring of water towers. Warm river water, coming from the steam condenser in the plant, is sprayed over louvres. The draft being pulled through the tower cools the water by both evaporation and convection. The sensible heat extracted from the cooling water is the driving force for draft generation. It should be noted that the hourglass-shaped cooling towers are used on both fossile and nuclear plants. It should also be noted that at locations where water is plentiful, the cooling towers are only used part time, when the discharge temperature would exceed some release limit. It was once thought that the warm discharge water was damaging to fish. Fishermen know that is thoroughly incorrect. Nontheless, stringent, usually state, regulations remain in some instances. Since it typically takes 60,000 hp worth of pumping to move the volume of water needed to cool a 1000 MWe plant, the cost of using the towers is not insignificant. -- John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to jgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag Lee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya? ";-1;0 "From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 64 In craigs@srgenprp.sr.hp.com (Craig Stelter) writes: >Dale Stephenson (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) wrote: >: In steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes: >: >Compiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career >: >DAs for the individual players in the reports. Stats are courtesy of >: >Sherri Nichols. Players are listed in descending order. >: And some comments, with some players deleted. >: >Third Basemen >: >------------- >: >Leius, Scott ---- ---- ---- .653 .680 0.672 >: Looks good. Too bad he's moving to short. >: >Pagliarulo, Mike .631 ---- .575 .744 ---- 0.649 >: This is an interesting line. His 1988 figure was slightly below average. >: His 1990 was pathetic, and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody. Part of >: that may be his mobility. 1988 was with the Yankees. 1990 was with the >: Padres, who appear to have a rotten infield. 1991 was with the Twins, and >: judging by Leius and Gaetti, the Metrodome may be a good place to play >: third. >Gaetti, Gary .616 .638 .655 .632 ---- 0.637 >Apologies if I don't know what I'm talking about :-), but as a Twins fan, >I like to think they have good players in any park. Not sure if I remember >completely or not, but I think Gaetti played with the Twins in '87 for the >world series, and again in '88 (note that's his lowest of the 4). I believe >the next 3 (or at least the last two) were played with the Angels. Actually, Gaetti's first year with California was 1991. His .632 DA wasn't out of line with his career averages, and his .616 was actually below average in 1988. But check out the last three years at the Metrodome. 1990 Gaetti .655 AL Avg .604 1991 Pags .744 Leius .653 Al Avg .620 1992 Leius .680 AL Avg .603 For the last three years, the highest DAs in either league have been posted by Minnesota players -- three different ones, including one (Pags) who was mediocre to horrible elsewhere. That doesn't *prove* a park effect is at work, any more than San Diego's horrible infield numbers prove a park effect is at work. But it looks like a strong possibility to me. Lots >of factors make a player excell... I hate it when so many use the dome. >It may not be ideal, but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football >even when it's snowing and raining. And it might even be a nice play to thrid base. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball ";-1;0 "From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 15/15 - Orbital and Planetary Launch Services Supersedes: Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 195 Distribution: world Expires: 6 May 1993 20:02:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Archive-name: space/launchers Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:11 $ ORBITAL AND PLANETARY LAUNCH SERVICES The following data comes from _International Reference Guide to Space Launch Systems_ by Steven J. Isakowitz, 1991 edition. Notes: * Unless otherwise specified, LEO and polar paylaods are for a 100 nm orbit. * Reliablity data includes launches through Dec, 1990. Reliabity for a familiy of vehicles includes launches by types no longer built when applicable * Prices are in millions of 1990 $US and are subject to change. * Only operational vehicle families are included. Individual vehicles which have not yet flown are marked by an asterisk (*) If a vehicle had first launch after publication of my data, it may still be marked with an asterisk. Vehicle | Payload kg (lbs) | Reliability | Price | Launch Site (nation) | LEO Polar GTO | | | (Lat. & Long.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ariane 35/40 87.5% Kourou (ESA) (5.2 N, 52.8 W) AR40 4,900 3,900 1,900 1/1 $65m (10,800) (8,580) (4,190) AR42P 6,100 4,800 2,600 1/1 $67m (13,400) (10,600) (5,730) AR44P 6,900 5,500 3,000 0/0 ? $70m (15,200) (12,100) (6,610) AR42L 7,400 5,900 3,200 0/0 ? $90m (16,300) (13,000) (7,050) AR44LP 8,300 6,600 3,700 6/6 $95m (18,300) (14,500) (8,160) AR44L 9,600 7,700 4,200 3/4 $115m (21,100) (16,900) (9,260) * AR5 18,000 ??? 6,800 0/0 $105m (39,600) (15,000) [300nm] Atlas 213/245 86.9% Cape Canaveral (USA) (28.5 N, 81.0W) Atlas E -- 820 -- 15/17 $45m Vandeberg AFB (1,800) (34.7 N, 120.6W) Atlas I 5,580 4,670 2,250 1/1 $70m (12,300) (10,300) (4,950) Atlas II 6,395 5,400 2,680 0/0 $75m (14,100) (11,900) (5,900) Atlas IIA 6,760 5,715 2,810 0/0 $85m (14,900) (12,600) (6,200) * Atlas IIAS 8,390 6,805 3,490 0/0 $115m (18,500) (15,000) (7,700) Delta 189/201 94.0% Cape Canaveral (USA) Vandenberg AFB Delta 6925 3,900 2,950 1,450 14/14 $45m (8,780) (6,490) (3,190) Delta 7925 5,045 3,830 1,820 1/1 $50m (11,100) (8,420) (2,000) Energia 2/2 100% Baikonur (Russia) (45.6 N 63.4 E) Energia 88,000 80,000 ??? 2/2 $110m (194,000) (176,000) H series 22/22 100% Tangeshima (Japan) (30.2 N 130.6 E) * H-2 10,500 6,600 4,000 0/0 $110m (23,000) (14,500) (8,800) Kosmos 371/377 98.4% Plestek (Russia) (62.8 N 40.1 E) Kosmos 1100 - 1350 (2300 - 3000) $??? Kapustin Yar [400 km orbit ??? inclination] (48.4 N 45.8 E) Long March 23/25 92.0% Jiquan SLC (China) (41 N 100 E) * CZ-1D 720 ??? 200 0/0 $10m Xichang SLC (1,590) (440) (28 N 102 E) Taiyuan SLC CZ-2C 3,200 1,750 1,000 12/12 $20m (41 N 100 E) (7,040) (3,860) (2,200) CZ-2E 9,200 ??? 3,370 1/1 $40m (20,300) (7,430) * CZ-2E/HO 13,600 ??? 4,500 0/0 $??? (29,900) (9,900) CZ-3 ??? ??? 1,400 6/7 $33m (3,100) * CZ-3A ??? ??? 2,500 0/0 $???m (5,500) CZ-4 4,000 ??? 1,100 2/2 $???m (8,800) (2,430) Pegasus/Taurus 2/2 100% Peg: B-52/L1011 (USA) Taur: Canaveral Pegasus 455 365 125 2/2 $10m or Vandenberg (1,000) (800) (275) * Taurus 1,450 1,180 375 0/0 $15m (3,200) (2,600) (830) Proton 164/187 87.7% Baikonour (Russia) Proton 20,000 ??? 5,500 164/187 $35-70m (44,100) (12,200) SCOUT 99/113 87.6% Vandenberg AFB (USA) Wallops FF SCOUT G-1 270 210 54 13/13 $12m (37.9 N 75.4 W) (600) (460) (120) San Marco (2.9 S 40.3 E) * Enhanced SCOUT 525 372 110 0/0 $15m (1,160) (820) (240) Shavit 2/2 100% Palmachim AFB (Israel) ( ~31 N) Shavit ??? 160 ??? 2/2 $22m (350) Space Shuttle 37/38 97.4% Kennedy Space (USA) Center Shuttle/SRB 23,500 ??? 5,900 37/38 $248m (28.5 N 81.0 W) (51,800) (13,000) [FY88] * Shuttle/ASRM 27,100 ??? ??? 0/0 (59,800) SLV 2/6 33.3% SHAR Center (India) (400km) (900km polar) (13.9 N 80.4 E) ASLV 150 ??? ??? 0/2 $???m (330) * PSLV 3,000 1,000 450 0/0 $???m (6,600) (2,200) (990) * GSLV 8,000 ??? 2,500 0/0 $???m (17,600) (5,500) Titan 160/172 93.0% Cape Canaveral (USA) Vandenberg Titan II ??? 1,905 ??? 2/2 $43m (4,200) Titan III 14,515 ??? 5,000 2/3 $140m (32,000) (11,000) Titan IV/SRM 17,700 14,100 6,350 3/3 $154m-$227m (39,000) (31,100) (14,000) Titan IV/SRMU 21,640 18,600 8,620 0/0 $???m (47,700) (41,000) (19,000) Vostok 1358/1401 96.9% Baikonur (Russia) [650km] Plesetsk Vostok 4,730 1,840 ??? ?/149 $14m (10,400) (4,060) Soyuz 7,000 ??? ??? ?/944 $15m (15,400) Molniya 1500kg (3300 lbs) in ?/258 $???M Highly eliptical orbit Zenit 12/13 92.3% Baikonur (Russia) Zenit 13,740 11,380 4,300 12/13 $65m (30,300) (25,090) (9,480) ";-1;0 "From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) Subject: Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive? In-Reply-To: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 04:54:03 GMT Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal. Lines: 25 On Thu, 22 Apr 1993 04:54:03 GMT, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu said: nsmca> So some of my ideas are a bit odd, off the wall and such, but nsmca> so was Wilbur and Orville Wright, and quite a few others.. This is a common misconception. There was nothing ""off the wall"" about the Wright Brothers. They were in correspondance with a number of other experimenters (Octave Chanute, Lillienthal, etc), they flew models, they had a wind tunnel. In short, they were quite mainstream and were not regarded as odd or eccentric by the community. I suggest you read The Bishop's Boys or the biography by Harry Gates? Combs? (I can never remember which it is--the guy that had the FBOs and owned Learjet for a while). These are both in print and easily obtainable. The Bishop's Boys is in trade paperback, even. Even better would be the multi-volume set of the Wrights' writings, but this is out of print, rare, and hideously expensive. -- Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA ""A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."" Unknown US fighter pilot ";-1;0 "From: yang@cs.umass.edu (Hong Yang) Subject: colormap question Organization: University of Massachusetts/Amherst Lines: 139 NNTP-Posting-Host: freya.cs.umass.edu Hi, Experts, I'm kind of new to X. The following question is strange to me. I am trying to modify the contents of the colormap but failed without reason (to me). I am using the following piece of code: toplevel = XtInitialize(argv[0], ""Testcolor"", NULL, 0, &argc, argv); dpy = XtDisplay(toplevel); scr = DefaultScreen(dpy); def_colormap = DefaultColormap(dpy,scr); if(XAllocColorCells(dpy, def_colormap, True, NULL, 0, cells, 5)) { color.pixel = cells[0]; color.red = 250; color.green = 125; color.blue = 0; color.flags = DoRed | DoGreen | DoBlue; XStoreColor(dpy, def_colormap, &color); printf(""\n Try to allocate, the color %d as (%d,%d,%d)"", color.pixel, color.red, color.green, color.blue); XQueryColor(dpy, def_colormap, &color); printf(""\n After allocate, the color %d is (%d,%d,%d)"", color.pixel, color.red, color.green, color.blue); } else printf(""\n Error: couldn't allocate color cells""); Running output: Try to allocate, the color 7 as (250,125,0) After allocate, the color 7 is (0,0,0) After XStoreColor(), XQueryColor() just returned the original value. No failure/error displayed but the contents of colormap are obvious unchanged. (I also tried to draw a line using the colors but it turned out to be the unmodified colors.) So what is my problem? How to modify the contents of the colormap? Any help/information will be appreciated. Please send mail to ""yang@cs.umass.edu"". -------------------------- William email: ""yang@cs.umass.edu"" -------------------------- By the way, the following is the environment I am using (output of ""xdpyinfo""). It shows the default visual is PseudoColor. version number: 11.0 vendor string: DECWINDOWS DigitalEquipmentCorporation UWS4.2 vendor release number: 1 maximum request size: 16384 longwords (65536 bytes) motion buffer size: 100 bitmap unit, bit order, padding: 32, LSBFirst, 32 image byte order: LSBFirst number of supported pixmap formats: 2 supported pixmap formats: depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32 depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32 keycode range: minimum 86, maximum 251 number of extensions: 8 Adobe-DPS-Extension DPSExtension SHAPE MIT-SHM Multi-Buffering XInputExtension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD DEC-XTRAP default screen number: 0 number of screens: 1 screen #0: dimensions: 1024x864 pixels (333x281 millimeters) resolution: 78x78 dots per inch depths (2): 1, 8 root window id: 0x29 depth of root window: 8 planes number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 1 default colormap: 0x27 default number of colormap cells: 256 preallocated pixels: black 1, white 0 options: backing-store YES, save-unders YES current input event mask: 0xd0001d KeyPressMask ButtonPressMask ButtonReleaseMask EnterWindowMask SubstructureRedirectMask PropertyChangeMask ColormapChangeMask number of visuals: 5 default visual id: 0x21 visual: visual id: 0x21 class: PseudoColor depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x22 class: GrayScale depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x23 class: StaticGray depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x24 class: StaticColor depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 256 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x7, 0x38, 0xc0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits visual: visual id: 0x25 class: TrueColor depth: 8 planes size of colormap: 8 entries red, green, blue masks: 0x7, 0x38, 0xc0 significant bits in color specification: 8 bits number of mono multibuffer types: 5 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x21, 0, 8 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x22, 0, 8 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x23, 0, 8 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x24, 0, 8 visual id, max buffers, depth: 0x25, 0, 8 number of stereo multibuffer types: 0 ";-1;0 "From: Nabeel Ahmad Rana Subject: RFD: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated Organization: UUNET Communications Lines: 171 Reply-To: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Dear Netters: A new religious newsgroup ""soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya"" was pro- posed on Oct 16, 1992. The discussion about this new proposed newsgroup went on in various related groups. The proposal, was supposed to enter a vote during the last week of November 92. Due to a false Call For Votes, by some opponent, the voting had to be canceled. I quote here a statement from the moderator of new.announce.newgroups: ""The current Call For Votes (CFV) for an Ahmadiyya newsgroup is being canceled. A new call for votes will be issued within a few weeks, possibly with a new impartial vote taker. Discus- sion on the proposal is still open until the new vote is called..."" -- by Lawrence, Nov 20, 1992. A lot of confusion arose among the netter as to whom to vote. Therefore it was decided to give a cool down period, so that all confusions are over. It has been over 4 months of that instant and now we are again attempting to create this newsgroup. A fresh RFD is hereby being issued. Please! take part in the discussion under the same title heading and in ""news.groups"" or at least cross-post it to ""news.groups"". **************************************************************** REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION **************************************************************** NAME OF PROPOSED NEWSGROUP: ========================== soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya CHARTER: ======= A religious newsgroup, which would mainly discuss the be- liefs, teachings, philosophy and ideologies of all major reli- gions of the world as they exist to foster better religious knowledge and understanding among followers of all religions as they share common basis. This newsgroup will be devoted to build a peaceful mutual understanding of the Ahmadiyya branch of Islam, its peacefull beliefs, ideology and philosophy and how it is different from other branches of Islam in fostering world peace and developing better understanding among religious people. It may also be used to post important religious events within the World Wide Ahmadiyya Islamic Community in general. PURPOSE OF THE GROUP: ==================== The following are some of the main purposes this group will achieve: i) To discuss the common beliefs of all major religions as they relate to Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. ii) To discuss the doctrines, origin and teachings of this puissant spiritual force on earth. iii) To examine Islamic teachings and beliefs in general in light of the Quran and established Islamic traditions of 15 centuries from Ahmadiyya perspective. iv) To discuss the similarities between Ahmadi Muslims and people of other Religions of the world and discuss how religious tolerance and respect to other's faiths can be brought about to eliminate inter-religion rivalries and hatred among people of religions. v) To discuss the origin and teachings of all religions in general and Islamic and Ahmadiyya Muslims in particular to foster better understanding among Ahmadi Muslims and other religious people. vi) To discuss current world problems and solution to these problems as offered by religion. vii) To exchange important news and views about the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and other Religions. viii)To add diversity in the religious newsgroups present on Usenet. ix) To discuss why religious persecution is on the rise in the world and find solutions to remedy the ever deter- iorating situation in the world in general and in the Islamic world in particular. x) To discuss the contributions of founders of all reli- gions and their people for humanity, society and world peace in general and by the International Ahmadiyya Mus -lim Community in particular. TYPE: ==== The group will be MODERATED for orderly and free religious dialo- gue. The moderation will NOT prevent disagreement or dissent to beliefs, but will mainly be used to prevent derogatory/squalid use of dialect and irrelevant issues. The moderators have been decided through personal e-mail and through a general consensus among the proponants by discussion in news.groups. The following moderators have been proposed and agreed upon: Moderator: Nabeel A. Rana (rana@rintintin.colorado.edu) Co-Moderator: Dr. Tahir Ijaz (ijaz@ccu.umanitoba.ca) A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ABOUT AHMADIYYA/ISLAM: ========================================= The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, an international organi- sation, was founder in 1989 in Qadian, India. The founder of this sect, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908), proclaimed to be the Promised Reformer of this age as foretold in almost all the major religions of the world today (Islam, Christianity, Judiasm, Hin- duism). He claimed to be the long awaited second comming of Jesus Christ (metaphorically), the Muslim Mahdi, and the Promised Messiah. He claimed that the prophecies contained in almost all the great religions of the world about the advent of a messenger from God have been fulfilled. The claims Hazrat Ahmad raised storms of hostility and extreme oposition from many priestlike people of Muslims, Chris- tians, Jews and Hindus of that age. Such opposition is often wit- nessed in the history of divine reformers. Even today this sect is being persecuted specially in some of the Muslim regimes. Dispite the opposition and persecution, this sect has won many adherents in 130 countries. It has over 10 million followers, who come from a diverse ethnic and cultural background. The sect is devoted to world peace and in bringing about a better understanding of religion, and the founders of all reli- gions. Its mission is to unite mankind into one Universal broth- erhood and develop a better understanding of faith. Ahmadi Muslims have always been opposed to all kind of violence and spe- cially religious intollerance and fundamentalism. Among its many philanthropic activities, the sect has es- tablished a network of hundreds of schools, hospitals, and clin- ics in many third world countries. These institutions are staffed by volunteer professional and are fully financed by the sect's internal resources. The Ahmadiyya mission is to bring about a universal moral reform, establish peace and justice, and to unite mankind under one universal religion. NEWSGROUP CREATION: ================== When the Call For Votes is called, the discussion will officially end. Voting will be held for about three weeks. If the group gets 2/3rd majority AND 100 more ""YES/Create"" votes than ""NO/don't create"" votes; the group shall be created. Any questions or comments may be included in the discussion or directly sent to: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu ";-1;0 "From: dpeterik@iastate.edu (Dan Peterik) Subject: Re: Brewer Notes Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 26 In <30MAR93.02086551.0010@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> PFAN writes: >For those of you who know who Bernie Brewer is, he's back. The >team mascot, if you will, was given his walking papers a few years >ago, but the fans voted him back last season and he will be perched >in the his familiar home in the outfield and will again slide down >into a barrel of beer when home runs are hit. That is great to hear I just may have to take a raod trip to Milwakee this year and see that again. Last time I saw Bernie Brewer was at the age of 10 and I am now 21 thanks for this post. >One final note, Bill Spiers is leading the Brewers with 13 RBI's in >exhibition play. Looks like he's bouncing back nicely from back >problems. Good to Bill is getting better form the limited coverage we get here in Iowa I know that this will be a great season for the BREW CREW!! >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ >| Pete Fanning, Computer Operator | ""Leadership is ACTION | >| Office of Information Technology | ...NOT Position"" | >| Milwaukee Area Technical College | -- D. H. McGannon | >|**********************************************************| >| Email: pfan@music.lib.matc.edu (Internet) | >| -or- Pete.Fanning@f71.n154.z1.fidonet.org | >\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ";-1;0 "From: rowlands@pocomoco.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jon Rowlands) Subject: Re: More gray levels out of the screen Nntp-Posting-Host: pocomoco.hc.ti.com Reply-To: rowlands@hc.ti.com (Jon Rowlands) Organization: Texas Instruments, SPDC, DSP Technology Branch, Dallas Lines: 51 In article <1pp991$t63@cc.tut.fi>, jk87377@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.040819.14943@kpc.com> hollasch@kpc.com (Steve >Hollasch) writes: >> >> I think you're proposal would work to get an extra one, maybe two extra >>bits of color resolution. However, if you had a display that chould do only >>zero or full intensity for each primary, I don't think you'd get great >>equivalent 24-bit photographs. > >I have not suggested to do so; I wrote about problems, and the problem >were clearly visible with 7 bit b&w images; not to mention 24 bit images. [ description of experiment deleted ] >If the 1 bit images are viewed quickly and in sync with screen, >then 100 intensities could be better than we have -- I dunno. [ more deleted ] >In any case, getting black color with slow machines is problem. >I could try it on our 8 bit screens but I don't know how to >render pixels with X in constant time. I recall our double buffer >has other image color and one b&w -- that doesn't help either. >Maybe I should dump photos to screen with low level code; how? A few years ago a friend and I took some 256 grey-level photos from a 1 bit Mac Plus screen using this method. Displaying all 256 levels synchronized to the 60Hz display took about 10 seconds. After experimenting with different aperture settings and screen brightnesses we found a range that worked well, giving respectable contrast. The quality of the images was pretty good. There were no visible contrast bands. To minimize the exposure time the display program built 255 different 1 bit frames. The first contained a dot only for pixels that had value 255, the second only for pixels that had value 254, etc. These frames were stored using a sparse data structure that was very fast to 'or' onto the screen in sequence. Creating these frames sometimes took 5-10 minutes on that old Mac, but the camera shutter was closed during that time anyway. And yes, we wrote directly to the screen memory. Mea culpa. Our biggest problem was that small images were displayed in the top left corner of the screen instead of the center. It took an extra week to have the film developed and printed, because the processors took the trouble to manually move the all images into the center of the print. Who'd have guessed? regards, Jon Rowlands ";-1;0 "From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) Subject: Quick question Keywords: Removing panels. Organization: CDAC, WA Lines: 9 How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want to access its pins. I see only one press button and the rest is snug fit. -S ssave@ole.cdac.com ";-1;0 "From: gtonwu@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Tony G. Wu) Subject: I hate to make a decision ! Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 16 Hi. Well, I really hate to make a decision, but recently, I have to choose whether stacker 3.0 or dos 6.0 with double space for my poor HD. I am using windwos 3.1 and I hope what I choose will live with windows. Any help will be appreciated. -- ===================== ( Forever 23, Michael Jordan.) ===================== Tony G. Wu gtonwu@uz.nthu.edu.tw CAE/Rheology Lab. NTHU. tony@che.nthu.edu.tw ";-1;0 "From: salmon@cwis.unomaha.edu (David Salmon) Subject: Re: HELP - SCSI Woes on Mac IIfx Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 16 According to the official documentation, failure to use the IIfx terminator can not only affect SCSI bus performance but can also damage the bus. Whether this is your problem or not I don't know. I have had sporadic SCSI problems with my IIfx since I bought it. (I cannot connect more than three devices, fourth one causes major problems). First thing to do is to try to reformat your drive on someone elses system. If you continue to get errors it is probably the drive. If it formats fine then I would try to format it on your system with no externals. If this fails then the SCSI controller on your IIfx needs repair/replacement. Hope this helps. -- David C. Salmon salmon@unomaha.edu ";-1;0 "From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) Subject: Re: Clipper Chip. LONG follow up. Lines: 478 Organization: Curtin University of Technology In article <16695@rand.org>, jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly) writes: > This document is in the anonymous ftp directory at NIST. Looks to me > like the other shoe has dropped. > > Jim Gillogly > Trewesday, 25 Astron S.R. 1993, 17:00 > Thanks for posting this and making it available. This post will be LONG, I will comment on most of it, and am reluctantly leaving all of the original in place to provide context. Please note that an alt. group has been set up for the Clipper stuff. > ------------------- > > Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file > transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and > via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. > --------------------------------------------------- > > THE WHITE HOUSE > > Office of the Press Secretary > > _________________________________________________________________ > > For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 > > > STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY > > > The President today announced a new initiative that will bring > the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary ^^^^^^^^^ Hum, AT&T, VLSI and Mykotronx are 'industry'? Wonder what happened to IBM, this should be right up their street. And a mandateed scheme is voluntary? Mr Orwell would love this. > program to improve the security and privacy of telephone ^^^^^^^^^ > communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law > enforcement. Telephone encryption and scrambleing are years behind digital ones like RSA, IDEA, or even DES. The above, while literaly true, is a clasic straw-man claim in the context of non-real-time circuits such as E-mail and the like. > The initiative will involve the creation of new products to > accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure > telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. > I would modestly propose that a mandated use of ISDN would do more for commun- ications than this lot. > For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our > private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the > tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of > protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate > the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and > law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against > industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. > > Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to > protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to > protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption Normmaly DES. > technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used > by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. Note the use of the word ""business"" in the above. The whole tenor of this release seems to be establishing a ground rule that only ""business"" use is legitimate for debate. If you want the nothings you drop in your wife's ear to remain secret and private, that is not even on the agenda for debate. Note that there is NO role for you to contain private info in this. The only reference is to information already in the hands of others. The 'unauthorized release' bit is also drawing a long bow. Most of these cases are by people who have legitimate access abusing it, and revealing, or often selling the info. These people are, of course, in this proposal, the people who will have the keys. The criminals also use lawers, courts, the CIA, white-house officials and pens to go about their business. When will they be outlawed as well? Yeah, several of them would be a better idea than CLipper! Them again, the protections of law and the courts have been seriously erroded over the last decade ofr so. > A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the ""Clipper Chip"" has > been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NSA > new approach to encryption technology. Yeah, this bit is VERY true. >....It can be used in new, > relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to > an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications > using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in > commercial use today. > Note the repeated mixing of telephone scrabeling and encryption. A demo of the above claim on an ordanary POTS would be a good nights entertainment I suspect. Note also the 'many'. not 'all', as the general tone implies. > This new technology will help companies protect proprietary ^^^^^^^^^ > information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted > electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the > ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to > intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. The case record seems to indicate that what is needed is a brutal tightening of the current abuses. I have not heard, yet, of a case that was impeaded by the use of secure encryption by the men in black. The other side, abuse by law enforcers is well documented, even by govt agencies. And the phone vs other coms is blurred yet again. > A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the > ""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding > Americans. > A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the > ""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding > Americans. Lets run that line twice. Not **VERY** carefully what it says. The stated purpose of the key eschrow is to make the use of Clipper compulsory. Note the word ""ensure"". As to 'protect', or 'law-abiding', I will leave to you. So to the person who asked if it included the outlawing of other encryptions, the answer in this press release is, YES. > ...Each device containing the chip will have two unique > ""keys,"" numbers that will be needed by authorized government > agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the > device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately > in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the > Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to > government officials with legal authorization to conduct a > wiretap. Just as they only can wiretap now with a warrent. > The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no > new authorities to access the content of the private > conversations of Americans. Just makes sure that the illegal ones are preserved. > To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the > Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new > devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the > government will be offered access to the confidential details of > the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report > their findings. Where do you find many experts. Any ex KGB people looking for a contract? :-) And as a later posting asks, what of the STU-IIIs they already have. It will be very interesting to see if the military and US embasies start to use it. After all, it is secure, isn't it. The govt will answer that point by its own actions. > The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of > encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the > privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield > criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other > approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access > to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it > to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology > trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), > the President has directed government agencies to develop a > comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: > > -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to > employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; ^^^^^^^^ Again, personal use seems to be a unaskable question. > > -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone > calls and data, under proper court or other legal ^^^^^ > order, when necessary to protect our citizens; Ah, so warrents are not always needed it seems. > > -- the effective and timely use of the most modern > technology to build the National Information > Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and > the competitiveness of American industry in the global > marketplace; and > > -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export > high technology products. The ITARs seem to slightly impeed this. > The President has directed early and frequent consultations with > affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the > privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. > The Administration is committed to working with the private > sector to spur the development of a National Information > Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer > technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to > information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks > (""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV > programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone > system transmits voice. Note that all this wonderfull stuff will be in secret. Only the 'proper people' will be able to express an opinion, hence only the desired result will emerge. > Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important > role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act > quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding > its use. The Administration is committed to policies that > protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting > them from those who break the law. Encryption and codes have been around for millenia. They are generaly in equilibrium with the technology of the time. The systematic study of cyphers has resulted in a swing in favor of the encrypter, AT THE MOMENT. I have no doubt that the factoring problem will fall in time. Probably fofr practical purposes by the middle of the next century. > Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. > The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new > encryption technology are also available. > > For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of > Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. > > --------------------------------- > > > QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S > TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE > > > > > Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government > agencies to listen in on phone conversations? > > A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with > no new authorities to access the content of the private > conversations of Americans. > > Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on > a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation > encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to > decipher the message? > > A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a > court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They > would then present documentation of this authorization to > the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and > obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug > smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are > stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key > escrow system. > > Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? > > A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent > entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the > Administration have yet to determine which agencies will > oversee the key-escrow data banks. It is a little hard to critisise a non-proposal. > Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure > how strong the security is? > > A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption > systems readily available today. Note we drop back to 'phone-mode' again. If this is a true answer, it can be rephrased as "" It sucks big time. Anyone who can drive the crypt work-bench will use it for light amusement before breakfast."" > ... While the algorithm will > remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow > system, This link between the security of the key-eschrow, and the actual algorithm is a real winner. Given that I have 2 secret 40 bit numbers, could someone please explain how the details of an encryption algorithm will reveal them? > ... we are willing to invite an independent panel of > cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all > potential users that there are no unrecognized > vulnerabilities. Just make sure you read the CVs REAL carfully, OK. > > Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? > > A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the > Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in > this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the > President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet > officials. Quick, with out looking back, What name is missing from that list? > Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? > > A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on > encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify > as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have > briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the > decisions related to this initiative. The people who agree with us and who think there is a buck in it for them. > Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? > > A: The government designed and developed the key access > encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the > microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product > manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip > manufacturer that produces them. The reverse engineering provisions of the 'Mask-work' act could be relevent here. > Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? > > A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, > California, and will sell the chip to encryption device > manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed > to other vendors in the future. > > Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? > > A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating > the ""Clipper Chip"" into their devices. You don't. Not unless you are one of the 'right people'. > Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological > solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be > willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more > powerful encryption devices? > > A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be > considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow They missed the word secret here. He needs a grammar lesson too. > mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product > that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive > than others readily available today, but it is just one > piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to > encryption technology, which the Administration is > developing. I would say ""less secure, less conveniant, more expensive ( PGP is free ), less available, and more prone to being comprimised"" Proofs to the contarary will be welcome. Note PROOF. > The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption > threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, > we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have > effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every > American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an > unbreakable commercial encryption product."" They don't seem to be saying anything that makes much sense. And this proposal DOES prohibit it except in a very limited way. And, this is the one explicit reference to personal rights. It is a denial. And yes, I don't think that the Mexicans, Brazilians, and Canucks are included in Clinton et als magnanamous gesture. > ... There is a > false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is > an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, > and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, > balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper > Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. The 'false tension' is false. The balance is between two repugnant points. The RIGHT to privacy is hand-waved to non-existance by putting it behind the ""false assessment"". It is assumed that the removal of the right to take what ever steps YOU deem suitable to protect YOUR privacy is non negotiable, hence is defined in the govenment language to be non-existant. If you don't agree, you must be a criminal, as only criminals don't agree with out laws. Also note the non- question. ""If what is here was not possible..."" > Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton > Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from > that of the Bush Administration? > > A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption > technology in telecommunications and computing and are > committed to working with industry and public-interest > groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' > privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law > enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime > and terrorism. It indicates we know that Bush dropped the ball in squashing that nasty < insert suitable retoric > and will stamp out this disorderly, unruley outbreak of freedom and ultra-national sentiment. > Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use > the government hardware? > > A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control > requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is > required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The > same is true for other encryption devices. One of the > attractions of this technology is the protection it can give > to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this > in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a > case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these > devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan > to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability > of these products. > This one is a real giggle. In Australia or France, they will have to reveal the keys, and the algorithm. Don't think it's at the top of my list of things I must have, so the restrictions will protect me from saleks trying to sell me a bill of crock. Any for any others using it, they must be nuts! Good luck folks. ~Paul ";16;1 "From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Re: Lezgians Astir in Azerbaijan and Daghestan Keywords: pis bogaz Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 38 In article <94492@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a KAAN,TIMUCIN) wrote: [KT] HELLO, shit face david, I see that you are still around. I dont want to [KT] see your shitty writings posted here man. I told you. So ... close your eyes and walk away. [KT] You are getting itchy as your fucking country. I have been defending the history of the Armenians on this network for over six years. I have seen the likes of you enter his forum, make fools of themselves, and ""simply vanish"" as did the Armenians in 1915! [KT] Hey , and dont give me that freedom of speach bullshit once more. Realize sir, you are not in Turkey! In the USA freedom of speech is not considered ""bullshit"". It is because of such freedoms that Turks like yourself are allowed to attend Georgia Tech. [KT] Because your freedom has ended when you started writing things about my [KT] people. And try to translate this ""ebenin donu butti kafa David."". What's the problem? If you can't stand the heat -- leave! Your government murdered 1.5 million Armenians and you would have me stay quiet to suit your personal fancy or some fascist fetish regarding the greatness of Turkey! Well, that is simply too bad. [KT] BYE, ANACIM HADE. [KT] TIMUCIN Pis bogaz! -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""Armenia has not learned a lesson in S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | Anatolia and has forgotten the P.O. Box 382761 | punishment inflicted on it."" 4/14/93 Cambridge, MA 02238 | -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal ";-1;0 "From: especkma@reed.edu (Erik. A Speckman) Subject: Re: Educational Pricing Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr15.234121.6655 Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon Lines: 36 In article <1993Apr15.134938.1@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu> f0975893@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu writes: >In article , hayes@ug.cs.dal.ca (Kevin B. Hayes) writes: >>>you can find retail that is within the price of a keyboard of educational >>>prices. > >I would be very wary of retail outlets selling as cheap as educational prices! >I went for a retailer, actually mail order (CDA computers), because its price >was better thant the campus computer store. I found out why later on when I >tried to get a repair done at an Apple registered repair center - the CPU was a >resale. The serial number had been removed and replaced with a non-standard >number (probably from CDA computers). Consequently, the Apple repair man could >not do ANY warrenty repairs. So I ended up with just a 90day warrenty from CDA >over the Apple 12month warrenty. Boy, was I pi**ed! Moral of the story, CAVEAT >EMPTOR. Apple does not authorise sales through Mail Order. As a result mail order companies have to obtain their machines by the grey market. This market is supplied with machines from authorised resellers who have more machines than they can sell. They come into this state of affairs by overordering either accidentally or deliberatly to get a better wholsale price from Apple. In either case they often obscure the serial nunber to protect their identity. As a result the warranty is void. You may save on sales tax but you have to pay for shipping. I should also point out that mail order companies cannot get lower prices thatn the high volume authorised dealers unless they buy below dealer cost. As a result the only way they can sell cheaper is by cutting costs and trimming margins. Unfortunatly they dont seem to be doing too well. The lowest prices I have been quoted mailorder do not beat the lowest prices available from authorised local dealers. They are even further away from educational prices. -ERik Speckman ";-1;0 "From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady) Subject: Re: seating ergonomics - headroom Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 14 In article <930411.153152.amiller@almaden.ibm.com> amiller@almaden.ibm.com (Alex Miller) writes: >My physical therapist has suggested that a good driving position >for me is to have my back nearly vertical and for my knees not >to be much higher than my hips. > [...] >Are there any cars that are particularly good in respect to >having both headroom and a well designed seat height? Take a look at mini-vans. I sat in a Dodge Caravan, which had a high seat and plenty of headroom. -- Dick Grady Salem, NH, USA grady@world.std.com So many newsgroups, so little time! ";-1;0 "From: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: Privacy & Anonymity on the Internet FAQ (3 of 3) Supersedes: Organization: TMP Enterprises Lines: 1201 Expires: 21 May 1993 04:00:06 GMT Reply-To: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Notes on the use, history, and value of anonymous Usenet posting and email remailing services X-Last-Updated: 1993/03/04 Archive-name: net-privacy/part3 Last-modified: 1993/3/3 Version: 2.1 NOTES on ANONYMITY on the INTERNET ================================== Compiled by L. Detweiler . <8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites? <8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity? <8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings? <8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers? <8.5> What is the value of anonymity? <8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed? <8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings? <8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi maintained by J. Helsingius? * * * _____ <8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites? Currently the most stable of anonymous remailing and posting sites is anon.penet.fi operated by julf@penet.fi for several months, who has system adminstrator privileges and owns the equipment. Including anonymized mail, Usenet posting, and return addresses (no encryption). Send mail to help@penet.fi for information. Hal Finney has contributed an instruction manual for the cypherpunk remailers on the ftp site soda.berkeley.edu (128.32.149.19): pub/cypherpunks/hal's.instructions. See also scripts.tar.Z (UNIX scripts to aid remailer use) and anonmail.arj (MSDOS batch files to aid remailer use). ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu ----------------------------- Anonymized mail. Request information from above address. elee7h5@rosebud.ee.uh.edu ------------------------- Experimental anonymous remailer run Karl Barrus , with encryption to the server. Request information from that address. hal@alumni.caltech.edu ---------------------- Experimental remailer with encryption to server and return addresses. Request information from above address. hh@soda.berkeley.edu hh@cicada.berkeley.edu hh@pmantis.berkeley.edu ---------------------- Experimental remailer. Include header `Request-Remailing-To'. nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu ---------------------- Experimental remailer allowing one level of chaining. Run by Chael Hall. Request information from above address. phantom@mead.u.washington.edu ----------------------------- Experimental remailer with encryption to server. `finger' site address for information. Notes ===== - Cypherpunk remailers tend to be unstable because they are often running without site administrator knowledge. Liability issues are wholly unresolved. - So far, all encryption is based on public-key cryptography and PGP software (see the question on cryptography). - Encryption aspects (message text, destination address, replies) vary between sites. - Multiple chaining, alias unlinking, and address encryption are mostly untested, problematic, or unsupported at this time. _____ <8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity? Users ----- - Use anonymity only if you have to. Frivolous uses weaken the seriousness and usefulness of the capability for others. - Do not use anonymity to provoke, harass, or threaten others. - Do not hide behind anonymity to evade established conventions on Usenet, such as posting binary pictures to regular newsgroups. - If posting large files, be attentive to bandwidth considerations. Remember, simply sending the posting to the service increases network traffic. - Avoid posting anonymously to the regular hierarchy of Usenet; this is the mostly likely place to alienate readers. The `alt' hierarchy is preferred. - Give as much information as possible in the posting (i.e. references, etc.) Remember that content is the only means for readers to judge the truth of the message, and that any inaccuracies will tend to discredit the entire message and even future ones under the same handle. - Be careful not to include information that will reveal your identity or enable someone to deduce it. Test the system by sending anonymized mail to yourself. - Be aware of the policies of the anonymous site and respect them. Be prepared to forfeit your anonymity if you abuse the privilege. - Be considerate and respectful of other's objections to anonymity. - ``Hit-and-run'' anonymity should be used with utmost reservation. Use services that provide anonymous return addresses instead. - Be courteous to the system operator, who may have invested large amounts of time, be personally risking his account, or dedicating his hardware, all for your convenience. Operators --------- - Document thoroughly acceptable and unacceptable uses in an introductory file that is sent to new users. Have a coherent and consistent policy and stick to it. State clearly what logging and monitoring is occurring. Describe your background, interest, and security measures. Will the general approach be totalitarian or lassaiz-faire? - Formulate a plan for problematic ethical situations and anticipate potentially intense moral quandaries and dilemmas. What if a user is blackmailing someone through your service? What if a user posts suicidal messages through your service? Remember, your users trust you to protect them. - In the site introductory note, give clear examples of situations where you will take action and what these actions will be (e.g. warn the user, limit anonymity to email or posting only, revoke the account, 'out' the user, contact local administrator, etc.) - Describe exactly the limitations of the software and hardware. Address the bandwidth limitations of your site. Report candidly and thoroughly all bugs that have occurred. Work closely with users to isolate and fix bugs. Address all bugs noted below under ``(in)stability of anonymity''. - Document the stability of the site---how long has it been running? What compromises have occured? Why are you running it? What is your commitment to it? - Include a disclaimer in outgoing mail and messages. Include an address for complaints, ideally appended to every outgoing item. Consult a lawyer about your liability. - Be committed to the long-term stability of the site. Be prepared to deal with complaints and `hate mail' addressed to you. If you do not own the hardware the system runs on or are not the system adminstrator, consult those who do and are. - Be considerate of providing anonymity to various groups. If possible, query group readers. - Keep a uniformity and simplicity of style in outgoing message format that can be screened effectively by kill files. Ensure the key text `Anon' is somewhere in every header. - Take precautions to ensure the security of the server from physical and network-based attacks and infiltrations. Readers ------- - Do not complain, attack, or discredit a poster for the sole reason that he is posting anonymously, make blanket condemnations that equate anonymity with cowardice and criminality, or assail anonymous traffic in general for mostly neutral reasons (e.g. its volume is heavy or increasing). - React to the anonymous information unemotionally. Abusive posters will be encouraged further if they get irrationally irate responses. Sometimes the most effective response is silence. - Notify operators if very severe abuses occur, such as piracy, harassment, extortion, etc. - Do not complain about postings being inappropriate because they offend you personally. - Use kill files to screen anonymous postings if you object to the idea of anonymity itself. - Avoid the temptation to proclaim that all anonymous postings should be barred from particular groups because no `possible' or `conceivable' need exists. References ---------- See e.g. ftp.eff.org:/pub/academic/anonymity: > This article is an excerpt from an issue of FIDONEWS on individual > privacy and the use of handles. It accepts the need of a system > operator to know the name of a user; but suggests that the use of > a handle is analogous to a request to withhold the name in a > letter to the editor. The article concludes with a set of > guidelines for preserving the right to be anonymous. _____ <8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings? James Thomas Green : > Try putting this in your kill file: > > /Anon/h:j > /Anonymous/h:j > > This will search the headers of the messages and kill any that > contain `Anon' or `Anonymous' in them. Not perfect and won't > kill followups. Note that anonymous server operators have the capability to mask anonymous postings under which the above method will not work; so far this practice is not widespread, but it may become more common as a countermeasure to widespread anonymous filtering. _____ <8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers? Originally anonymous posting services were introduced for individual, particularly volatile newsgroups, where anonymity is almost the preferred method of communication, such as talk.abortion and alt.sex.bondage. One of the first was one by Dave Mack started in ~1988 for alt.sex.bondage. Another early one was wizvax.methuen.ma.us run by Stephanie Gilgut (Gilgut Enterprises) but was disbanded due to lack of funds. The system provided anonymous return addresses. n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko) took up the functions of this server, including reinstating the anonymous alias file. The group ``alt.personals has been chewing through servers like there's no tomorrow.'' Spurred by the disappearance of `wizvax' and interested in researching the idea, Karl Kleinpaste developed his own system from scratch in six hours. By this time the idea of extending the server to new, more `mainstream' groups was starting to emerge, and he explored the possibility partly at the specific request by multiple users for anonymity in other groups. ``The intended advantage of my system was specifically to allow multiple group support, with a single anon identifier across all. This was arguably the single biggest deficiency of previous anon systems.'' K. Kleinpaste posted a message on rec.nude asking users whether an anonymous service would be welcome there, and judged a consensus against it. K. Kleinpaste introduced what he calls a ``fire extinguisher'' to `squelch' or `plonk' abusive users in response to complaints, and used this in three cases. Nevertheless, after a few months of intense traffic he was eventually overwhelmed by the abuses of his server. ``Even as restricted as it was, my system was subjected to abuses to the point where it was ordered dismantled by the facilities staff here. Such abuses started right after it was created.'' In ~Nov 1992, Johan Helsingius (julf@penet.FI) set up the most controversial anonymous site to date. anon.penet.fi is based on scripts and C code written by K. Kleinpaste and supports anonymized mail, posting, and return addresses. He initially wanted to confine the service to Scandinavian users but expanded it to worldwide accessability in response to 'lots' of international requests. J. Helsingius policy of allowing anonymous posting to every Usenet newsgroup has been met with strong and serious ideological opposition (e.g. by news adminstrators in news.admin.policy). Because of the relative newness and recent emergence of the medium, abuses by anonymous posters tend to have higher visibility than ``routine'' abuses. His total commitment to preservation of anonymity is also controversial. For example, in a highly controversial and publicized case in ~Feb 1993, an anonymous user posted a supposed transcript of desperate crew dialogue during the Challenger shuttle disaster via anon.penet.fi to sci.astro. Despite that the transcript had been posted in the same place up to a year earlier (then non-anonymously) and actually originated not with the poster but a New York news tabloid, subsequent responses consisted largely of vociferous outrage at the poster's use of anonymity, reverberating through many newsgroups. The original poster, using the same anonymous handle, later conceded that the story ``seemed likely to have been fabricated,'' suggesting the plausible possibility that the original intent was not to provoke outrage but gauge reactions on the authenticity of the story (albeit crudely), free of personal risk from perceived association with the item. The ensuing commotion generated queries for the original article by late-entering readers. The anonymous user later posted deliberately offensive comments at his detractors. Despite piercingly irate and outraged complaints, and even the vocal opposition and verbal abuse of K. Kleinpaste and eminent news operators, J. Helsingius has largely avoided use of the ``fire extingisher'' and the ``group bouncer'' mechanisms that limit the scope of the service. As of ~March 1993 the anon.penet.fi site is best described as `inundated': it has registered over 13,000 users in its initial three months of operation, forwards ~3000 messages a day, and approximately 5% of all Usenet postings are anonymized through the site. The immense popularity is probably largely due to the capability for `global' anonymity which has allowed users to find creative uses in diverse areas not previously envisioned. Johan Helsingius has been subject to extraordinary pressure to dismantle his server in ~Feb 1993. At one point K. Kleinpaste threatened publicly to organize a sort of vigilante group of irate news operators to send out revocation commands on all messages originating from the site. J. Helsingius has also alluded to threats of flooding the server. The server has crashed several times, at least once due to a saturation `mailbombing' through it by an anonymous user. Mr. Helsingius reports spending up to 5 hours per day answering email requests alone associated with the service's administration. In response to the serious threats he disabled global group access temporarily for one week and encouraged his users to defend the service publicly. Based on fast-moving dialogue and creative suggestions by ``cypherpunks,'' J. Helsingius has identified many security weaknesses and valuable new features for the service, and is currently in the process of code development and testing. He is planning on upgrading the IBM compatible 386 machine to a 486 soon to handle the voluminous load and is considering integrating a new system with very sophisticated functionality, including multiple email aliases, alias allocation control, public-key encryption, etc. A very sophisticated anonymous posting system was set up in Dec. 1992 by D. Clunie that used cryptography in both directions (to/from) the server for the highest degree of confidentiality seen so far. However, it was running on a public access account, and he had to shut it down after only several weeks, upon receiving requests and conditions apparently ultimately originating from NSF representatives. D. Clunie has released the software to the public domain. Recently the idea of a newsgroup devoted to `whistleblowing' on government abuses has received wide and focused attention, and group formation is currently underway. In the basic scenario the group would allow people to post pseudonymously using remailers, and even establish reputations based on their authentifiable digital signatures. The traffic may eventually reach reporters in the mainstream news media. deltorto@aol.com has volunteered to attack multiple aspects of this project, including distributing easy-to-read documentation on posting, anonymization, and encryption. See also sections on ``views on anonymous posting'' below and ``what is going on with anon.penet.fi?'' in this document. (Thanks to Carl Kleinpaste , David Clunie and Johan Helsingius for contributions here.) _____ <8.5> What is the value of anonymity? KONDARED@PURCCVM.BITNET: > I think anonymous posts do help in focusing our attention on the > content of one's message. Sure lot of anonymous posts are abusive > or frivolous but in most cases these are by users who find the > anon facility novel. Once the novelty wears off they are stopping > their pranks... morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan): > I don't mind seeing the miscellaneous hatred/prejudice/racism; > those things are part of our nature. However, the notion of > providing anonymity's shield for these ideas repulses me. If > they have such strong feelings, why can't they put their name(s) > on their postings? ... Quite frankly, I loathe communication > with people who refuse to use their names. dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie) > Many seem to question the value of anonymity. But who are they to > say what risks another individual should take ? There is no > question that in this rather conservative society that we live > in, holding certain views, making certain statements, adopting a > certain lifestyle, are likely to result in public censure, > ridicule, loss of status, employment, or even legal action. Given > the heterogeneity of the legal jurisdictions from where the many > contributors to usenet post, who knows what is legal and what is > not ! Some say that anonymous posters are ""cowards"" and should > stand up and be counted. Perhaps that is one point of view but > what right do these detractors have to exercise such censorship ? From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) > Why is it censorship to not expect someone to speak for > themselves, without the cloak of anonymity. This is at best a > lame argument. > > You tell me why what you have to say requires anonymity. And you > tell me why the wishes of a majority of non-anonymous users of a > newsgroup should be disregarded when they don't want anonymous > posts. > > Anonymous users have LESS rights than any others. They are not > legitimate usenet participants. I would not honor RFDs, CFVs, > control messages, or votes from one. brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton): > I can think of no disadvantage caused by anon posting sites that > doesn't already exist, other than the fact that they do make more > naive net users who don't know how to post anonymously the old > way more prone to do it. From: mandel@netcom.com (Tom Mandel) > I cannot speak for others but I regard anonymous postings in a > serious discussion as pretty much worthless. ... views that hide > behind the veil of anon are hardly worth the trouble of reading. n8729@anon.penet.fi (Hank Pankey) > Since I began posting anonymously (to show support for general > principles of personal privacy) I have been subject to far more > abuse and attack than I ever received before. People seem to > find it easier to flame and insult someone whose name they don't > know. Perhaps it's easier to pretend that there is no person > behind the email address who feels the sting of abusive comments. > > Anonymity does hinder some methods of controlling other posters' > actions. People who seek such control will naturally oppose it. From: 00acearl@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu > Instead of making this a ""free-er medium"" by allowing posters to > ""protect themselves"" with anonymity, simply require that all > posters be prepared to discuss their sources of information and > take the heat for unsubstantiated dribble. This seems to be the > way things are currently done; xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory): > In misc.kids there are three threads going on started by anonymous > posters. One was about changing jobs so as to work less hours, > job sharing and so on, from a woman who didn't want anyone at her > current place of work to know she was thinking of looking for > work elsewhere. The next was from a woman who is thinking of > having a baby sometime soon and doesn't want coworkers, friends, > family etc etc to know all about it, but who wants advice. The > third is about sex after parenthood -- actually this was started > by people posting in the usual way but then it was pointed out > that the anonymous posting service might let more people > participate. > > Misc.kids doesn't seem to be suffering any harm from the presence > of anonymous posters; in fact it seems to have been helped by it. hoey@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Dan Hoey): > While there has never been any real security against anonymous or > forged postings on Usenet, the process has until now been > sufficiently inconvenient, error-prone, and undocumented to limit > its use by persons who have not learned the culture of the net. > > On the other hand, a recent use of the anonymous posting service > on sci.math seemed seemed to be a student asking help on a > homework problem. It has now been attributed to a teacher, > asking for an explanation of a dubious answer in his teaching > guide. He says his news posting is broken, so he is using the > anonymous service as a mail-to-news gateway. Karl Barrus > Some argue that the opinions of the people who hide behind a veil > of anonymity are worthless, and that people should own up to > their thoughts. I agree with the latter point - in an ideal > world we would all be sitting around engaging in Socratic > dialogues, freely exchanging our opinions in an effort to > learn. But in an ideal world nobody will threaten you for your > thoughts, or ridicule you. > > But we live in a world where the people who don't agree with you > may try to harm you. Let's face it, some people aren't going to > agree with your opinion no matter how logically you try to > present it, or how reasoned out it may be. This is sad since it > does restrict people from voicing their opinions. red@redpoll.neoucom.edu (Richard E. Depew): > The consensus seems to be that a general anonymous posting service > such as that at anon.penet.fi seems sufficiently corrosive of the > trust and civility of the net that this particular experiment > should be ended. Perhaps the next time the question comes up we > can say: ""We tried it - we learned it does more harm than good - > and we stopped it."" From: C96@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Alexander EICHENER) > anonymous posting has not created major problems aside from > angering irate people (like you?) who would rather ban > anonymous/pseudonymous posting altogether because ""real men can > stand up for what they said"" or comparable puerile arguments as > others have brought up. dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes): > What a primal example of human nature. I have three questions for > you folks. > > Do people really say different things to each other based upon > whether their identity is or isn't known? > > Are people really so affected by what other people say that the > verbage is labeled ""abuse""? > > Most importantly, on a forum that prizes itself on the freedom of > communication that it enjoys, is there really such a thing as > freedom of communication? From: terry@geovision.gvc.com (Terry McGonigal) > ... Just how many anon services are needed? Will > *everybody* start running one soon? What's the purpose? Who > stands to benefit when there are N anon services, then 2*N, then > N^2, out there. Where *has* this sudden fasination with anon > services come from? > > For better or (IMHO) worse, it looks like we'er gonna get stuck > with these things, and as much as I don't like the idea (of > services like this becoming the norm) I don't really think > there's much to be done since it's obvious that anyone who wants > to can set one up with a bit of work. Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kleinpaste): > Weak reasoning. > With freedom comes responsibility. dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes): > Responsibility isn't real if it is enforced. True responsibilty > comes with no coercion. _____ <8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed? morgan@engr.uky.edu (Wes Morgan): > I will be the first to admit that I hold some controversial > opinions; indeed, I'm sure that none of us are completely > orthodox in our opinions. However, I've received *hundreds* of > anonymous email messages over the last few years; fewer than 20 > of them were ""reasonable posts made with good motives."" It's > getting more and more difficult to remember why we need anonymity > at all; the abusers are (once again) lousing things up for those > who truly need the service (or those who would put it to good > use). > > I'm not suggesting that we should ban anonymous servers; as I've > said, there are several situations in which anonymity is a Good > Thing (tm). > > However, the notion that anonymity's shield should be > automatically extended to every Usenet discussion is ridiculous; > it opens the door to further abuse. twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce): > Of course, how does one determine whether a ""group"" requests the > service? A flat majority of posters voting in favor? A positive > margin of 100 votes? Or what? No one speaks for a newsgroup. > > I'm not convinced by the arguments that an anonymous posting > service for all newsgroups is inherently a bad idea, simply > because it's a diversion from the status quo. Since the status > quo previously permitted anonymous posting to *no* newsgroups, > any anonymous posting service would reject the status quo. hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes: > It is facist to suggest that a newsgroup is best able to decide > whether it wants to allow anonymous postings instead of having > them forced upon them by an service administrator? ogil@quads.uchicago.edu (Brian W. Ogilvie): > The service provides a mechanism for forwarding mail to the > original poster. Since most Usenet readers don't know John Smith > from Jane Doe except by their opinions and their address, the > effect of having an anonymous posting to which mail replies can > be directed is minimal, except for those who personally know the > poster--and ... the lack of anonymity could be serious. Any > mechanism like this is liable to abuse, but the benefits as well > as the costs must be weighed. Limiting the service to alt groups, > or specific groups, would not help those who want advice on > sensitive issues in more 'professional' newsgroups. From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter) > An additional point is that some of us find anonimity in technical > matters to be profoundly offensive; anonimity in different forums > has different meanings. If I get a phone call from someone who > won't identify himself, I hang up. If I get U.S. mail with no > return address, it goes into the garbage unopened. If someone > accosts me in the street while wearing a mask, I back away - > carefully, and expecting violence. In a technical discussion, > anonimity means that the individual isn't willing to associate > himself with the matter being discussed, which discredits his > utterances and makes listening to them a waste of time. > > Anonimity leads to fun psych experiments; the literature is filled > with all the various things that people will do anonymously that > they won't otherwise. Including one notorious study involving > torture that would not have passed today's ethical standards. Fun > stuff, in any case. > > FINE. LEAVE US OUT OF IT. From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) > You obviously have never submitted an article to a refereed > journal, where you will receive anonymous reviews through a server > (the editor) that behaves much like the one in Finland (e.g. you > may reply and the editor will maintain the anonymity). ... Your > comparison of someone who wants to express him/herself on a > technical issue anonymously with a person who approaches you on a > dark street with a ski mask is just emotionally overwrought > nonsense; such posters pose no physical threat to you. jik@mit.edu (J. Kamens): > It seems obvious to me that the default should be *not* to allow > anonymous postings in a newsgroup. The Usenet has always > operated on the principle that the status quo should be kept > unless there's a large number of people who want to change it. > > If someone REALLY needs to post a message anonymous in a newsgroup > in which this usually isn't done, they can usually find someone > on the net to do this for them. They don't need an automated > service to do it, and the automated service is by its nature > incapable of making the judgment call necessary to decide whether > a particular posting really needs to be anonymous. From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) > For any newsgroup you name, I bet I can envision a scenario > involving a need for secrecy. If an accurate content-based > filter of each anonymous posting could be devised to screen out > those that don't require secrecy, wonderful. But it can't be > done. From: lhp@daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Hiller|e Petersen) > If a newsgroup wants to be noise- and nuisance-free, then it > should call for moderation. This should happen on a per-newsgroup > basis, and not as a general USENET ban on anonymous postings. Of > course one principle of moderation might be to keep out all > anonymous postings, and could be achieved automatically. It would > still be _moderation_. Personally I would prefer moderation > criteria being based on actual content. David A. Clunie (dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au) > If a ""group"" doesn't want to receive certain posts it should > become moderated - there are clearly defined mechanisms on > non-alt groups for this to take place. An automated moderator > excluding posts from certain (eg. anonymous) sites or individuals > could easily be established. If anyone wants to take such a > draconian approach then they are welcome to do so and good luck > to them. I doubt if I will be reading their group ! From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) > What possible need would someone have for posting anonymously to a > sci.* group? > > Sure most adults are willing to post under their own names. Why > would they want to hide behind an anonymous posting service? > Ashamed of what they have to say or just trying to rile people > without fear of being identified? > > Anonymous posting have their place in CERTAIN groups. If I or > anyone else needs to tell you what those groups are then you've > been on another planet breathing exotic gases for too long. From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu > It's bloody fascinating that (all?) the proponents of unimpeded > universal anon posting access can't seem to find any middle > ground at all. Why is there such a perception of > absolutism? Where does this instant gratification syndrome come > from, ""I want anon access and I want it NOW""? Who are the > control freaks here? From: 00acearl@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu > Remember, this is a newsgroup for posters writing about SCIENTIFIC > issues. Anonymous discussion of scientific issues leads to bad > science. From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) > Though many have personal philosophical arguments against > anonymous posters, their arguments have not been compelling > enough to convince me that omni-newsgroup anonymous posting > should be banned or severely restricted. Though I cannot prove > it, it seems to me that those who do not like anonymous posting > (in principle) do so for reasons that are personal (read, > psychological discomfort) rather than for reasons related to > maintaining the ""integrity"" of Usenet. > > Remember, it is impossible to be able to ascertain all the > conceivable and legitimate motives for anonymous posting to > newsgroups one normally would not deem to be ""sensitive"". ... in > general, I fear even letting newsgroup readers vote on either > allowing or not allowing anonymous posting, since a priori they > *cannot* know all the motives of *legitimate* posters, and I do > not believe that any system should ever be instituted that would > inhibit the posting of legitimate and informative posts. lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes: > I personally don't believe that pseudonymous postings are > appropriate in a serious discussion area. If there is a > LEGITIMATE reason for concealing the posters' identity, perhaps, > but simply because they're not so sure if they want their name > attached doesn't qualify as LEGITIMATE in my book. (Oh, and if > you can come up with a legitimate purpose for anonymous postings, > please, enlighten me.) sderby@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Stuart P. Derby) > Three of our (the U.S.'s) founding fathers, Madison, Hamilton, and > Jay, seemed to think ""anonymous posting"" was OK. The Federalist > papers were originally printed in New York newspapers with > authorship attributed to ""Publius"". I wonder if you would find > their purpose ""LEGITIMATE""? _____ <8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings? From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) > I would like to know how to junk all articles posted by the > anonymous service currently being discussed. Ideally I would > actually tell my feed site not to feed me articles posted by the > anonymous service. Assuming the C News Performance Release, what > is a simple way to accomplish this? Or where should I look to > learn how to do it myself? From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie) > That's a bit draconian isn't it ? Have your users unanimously > decided that they would like you to do this or have you decided > for them ? From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) > Good question. Nobody has decided. I have no definite plan to do > this, just wanted the technical data. Carl Kleinpaste (Karl_Kleinpaste@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu): > ...were I to be in the position of offering such a service again, > my promises of protection of anonymity would be limited. Not on > the basis of personal opinion of what gets posted, but on the > basis of postings which disrupt the smooth operation of the > Usenet. The most obvious and direct recourse would be to `out' > the abusive individual. Less drastic possibilities exist -- the > software supports a ""fire extinguisher"" by which individuals can > be prevented from posting. john@iastate.edu (John Hascall): > Since when is Usenet a democracy? If someone wants to run an > anonymous service, that's their business. If you want to put > that host in your killfile, that's your business. If a newsadmin > wants to blanket-drop all postings from that site, that's between > them and the other people at that site. If everyone ignores a > service, the service effectively doesn't exist. From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) > NNTP servers that allow posting from anyone are NOT ""a service to > the net."" They do the net a disservice. > > Terminal servers have the same problems as open NNTP servers -- > they allow people who want to do illegal/immoral/unethical things > on the Internet to do so without accountability. > > There are, by now, public access sites all over this country, if > not all over the world, that allow very inexpensive access to the > Usenet and the Internet. There is no reason for NNTP servers to > allow anyone to post messages through them, and there is no > reason for terminal servers to allow anyone to connect to them > and then make outbound connections through them. Perhaps when it > was harder to get to the Internet or the Usenet, open servers > could be justified, but not now. jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz): > I think that what ... these points show clearly is that an > anonymous posting service has a great deal of responsibility, > both towards its clients and towards the Net as a whole. Such a > service should (IMHO) have a set of well-defined rules and a > contract that its clients should sign, under the terms of which > they are assured anonymity. From: an8785@anon.penet.fi > Is the problem that some are used to ""punishing"" posters who are > upsetting in some vague way by complaining to the (usually > acquiescent) sysadmin or organizations that the poster belongs > to? That surely is the most gutless approach to solving > problems, but my experience on the net shows that the same users > who vilify anonymous postings are the first to write obsessively > detailed grievances to the poster's supervisor when his or her > tranquility is disturbed by some ""intrusive"" or subversive post > or another. > > Anonymous postings prevent just this kind of intimidation. From: gandalf@cyberspace.org (Eric Schilling) > The main point I would like to make here is that while we can go > through and revise the news sw to ""reject anon posts to technical > newsgroups"" or some such thing, I think the attempt will prove > futile. Each attempt to modify news can result in a changed > approach by anon service providers to thwart the change. I think > this would be pointless. From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius) > I have tried to stay out of this discussion, and see where the > discussion leads. But now I rally feel like I have to speak up. > ... I have repeatedly made clear ... that I *do* block users if > they continue their abuse after having been warned. In many cases > the users have taken heed of the warning and stopped, and in some > cases even apologized in public. And when the warning has not had > the desired effect, I have blocked a number of users. I have also > blocked access to groups where the readership has taken a vote to > ban anonymous postings, although I feel changing the newsgroup > status to moderated is the only permanent solution for newsgroups > that want to ""formalize"" discussion. red@redpoll.neoucom.edu (Richard E. Depew) > Does this ... mean that you are volunteering to issue a Request > For Discussion to ban anonymous postings or to moderate each of > the 4000+ newsgroups that your server can reach? I don't think > so, but this illustrates the trouble that your server is causing! > > please listen to the consensus of the news administrators in this > group: any newsgroup should be consulted *before* letting your > server post messages to that group. From: C96@vm.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Alexander EICHENER) > There is no pompous ""consensus of *the* news administrators"" > here - maybe you would like to invent one. There is a sizeable > number of people who are concerned about the possible (and, to a > minor extent, about the actual abuse of the server as it is > configured now). These concerns are respectable; Johan is dealing > with them. ... There are some (few) who rage with foam before > their mouth and condemn the service altogether. And a number who > defend it, pointing out, like Kate Gregory, that even a group > like misc.kids. can benefit from pseudonymous postings. From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius) > I have answered a lot of personal mail related to server abuse, > and as a result of that, blocked a number of abusive users. I > have also withdrawn the service from several newsgroups where the > users have taken a vote on the issue. I have not made any > comments on news.admin.policy, partly because the > newly-implemented password feature (as a emergency measure > against a security hole) has kept me really busy answering user > queries the last two weeks, and partly because I feel it is not > for me to justify the service, but for the users. The problem > with news.admin.policy is that the readership is rather elective, > representing people whith a strong interest in centralised > control. From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) > This seems to be a rather bigoted attitude. I would consider that > this group is for anyone who wishes to discuss how the net should > be controlled. Saying that we only have an interest in > ""centralized control"" is a clear indication of bias. You are > perfectly welcome to join in the discussions here to promote your > views on control. jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu > This whole debate is a lot of ""sound and fury signifying nothing"" > because, even if you all decide to ban anonymous posting servers, > it is not enforceable. The only people who conceivably could > enforce retrictions are those that control the international > links. > > Policy changes should be made by cooperation, not by attempting > to dictate. ...you need to persuade those who run the services > to act like this through friendly persuasion, not by trying to > beat them over the head with a stick (especially a stick you > don't even have). spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) > I am finding this bias against pseudonymity boring. Our friend > posting through penet has a point. The old guard would like to > keep their network the way it always has been... and this new > thing, these pseudonymous servers, cuts into their turf. So they > whine and bitch about it, and every time there's the slightest > abuse (such as somebody's .sig being too long), they try to > parlay that into an argument against pseudonymity. > > I'll go on record as saying: three cheers for the admins at anon > servers like penet, pax, and n7kbt... and for all the access > service providers who are willing to preserve their clients > privacy. > > And a pox on those who try to defeat and restrict pseudonymity. mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) > I wouldn't help people get rid of anon postings as a group. If you > don't like what someone says, then you put THAT anon address in > your kill file, not all of them. Of course, if and when I get an > anon site going, I'm just going to assign fake names like > ""jsmith"" instead of ""anon5564"" to avoid most of the hassles. > You'll never know it is anonymous will you? From: anne@alcor.concordia.ca (Anne Bennett) > I must admit to some astonishment at this argument. I see the > value of anonymous postings under some circumstances, yet believe > strongly that these should be identified as such, so that people > who do not wish to read material from people who won't identify > themselves, don't have to. > > I fail to see what good you would be accomplishing, and indeed > surmise that you will cause many people inconvenience and > annoyance, by hiding the anonymity of postings from your > anonymous site. Would you care to justify where the hell you get > the gall to try to prevent people from effectively filtering > their news as they see fit? From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie) > I thought I was out of reach here in Australia too. Unfortunately > one of the US sites involved in the US/Aus feed complained to the > Australian Academic Reasearch Network through whom my site is > connected, not about anything in particular, just the concept of > anonymous mail having no redeeming features and consuming a > narrow bandwidth link (with which I can't argue) and that was > that ... stop the service or face disconnection. > > I consider the demise of [my] service to have been rather > unfortunate, and I wish the Finnish remailer luck ! It is a pity > that there are very few if any similar services provided with in > the US. I guess that's the benefit of having a constitution that > guarantees one freedom of speech and a legal and political system > that conspires to subvert it in the name of the public good. _____ <8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi run by J. Helsingius? From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu > Funny, how beating the rest of the Usenet over the head with a > stick is OK if it's anon.penet.fi and universal anon access. But > somehow people on the other side of the same equation (not even > arguing to shut it off entirely, but rather just to have some > control applied to the abuses that manifest themselves) aren't > allowed to do that. > > I have written to Johan several times in the last couple of > weeks. He used to reply to me quite readily. After all, I was > the source of the software as originally delivered to him -- he > used to be downright _prompt_ about replying to me. Funny, now > he's being an impolite bastard who doesn't answer mail _at_all_, > even when it consists of really very civil queries. From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius) > In your mail you told me you sent me one or more messages on Feb. > 8th. Feb 7th and 8th the server was down, and the flood of mail > that resulted from the server coming up again crashed my own mail > host. The problem was aggregated by an abusive user sending > thousands of messages to another user, filling up that users > mailbox. The bounce messages ended up in my mailbox, overflowing > my local disk as well. > > I can only suppose that your message got lost in that hassle, as > I have tried to answer as much as possible of the anon-related > messages I get, from routine mis-addessed messages to complaints > about the service. On the average I spend 4-5 hours per day > answering anon-related messages. From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu > Why is it that everybody else has to put up with the impoliteness > and insensitivity of the misuse of anon.penet.fi? Whose > definitions of ""polite"" and ""sense"" apply, and why? Why is > universal anon access considered to be within the realm of this > fuzzy concept of ""politeness"" in the first place? > > I think Johan has long since crossed the line into being a rude > bastard, and I told him so in private mail a little while ago. > > At this point, I deeply regret [a] having created an anonymous > system supporting >1 newsgroup and [b] having given the code to > Johan. I didn't copyright it, but I thought that some concept of > politeness and good sense might follow it to new > homes. Interesting that Johan's ideas of politeness and good > sense seem to have nearly no interesection with mine. I could > even cope with universal anon access _if_ Johan would be willing > to engage in abuse control, but somehow that seems to be outside > the range of reality... From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius) > There is no way for me to convey how sad and upset your message > made me. I do, to some extent, understand your feelings, but it > still feels really bad. Running the server requires getting used > to a lot of flames, but mindlessly abusive hate mail is so much > easier to deal with than something like this, as I do respect and > value your views and opinions to a high degree. No, I'm not > asking for sympathy, I just wanted you to know that I am really > giving your views quite a lot of weight. > > When I asked for the software, I was actually only going to > provide the service to scandinavian users. But a lot of people > requested that I keep the service open to the international > community. I now realize that I ought to have contacted you at > that point to ask how you feel about me using your stuff in such > a context. Again, I really want to apologise. And I will replace > the remaining few pieces of code thet still stem from your > system. Unfortunately there is no way to remove the ideas and > structure I got from you. > > Again, I am really sorry that the results of your work ended up > being used in a way that you don't approve of. And I will be > giving a lot of hard thought to the possibility of shutting down > the server alltogether. From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu > I think I'm feeling especially rude and impolite. If it's good > for Johan, it's good for me. After all, he didn't ask the > greater Usenet whether universal anon access was a good idea; he > just did it. ... Yes, I'm a seriously rude pain in the ass now, > and I think I'll arm the Usenet Death Penalty, slightly modified, > not for strategic whole-site attack, but tactical assault, just > ""an[0-9]*@anon.penet.fi"" destruction. Only outside alt.*, too, > let's say. > > To parrot this line...people have been doing things like the UDP > (that is, cancelling others' postings) for years, no one could > ever stop them, and it's only politeness and good sense that has > prevented them up to now. > > In fact, I have 8 people who have expressed privately the desire > and ability to arm the UDP. > > ... > > PS- No, in fact there are not 8 newsadmins ready to arm the > UDP. It would be amusing to know how many people gulped hard > when they read that, though. I don't see it as any different > from Johan's configuration. > > PPS- Now that I've calmed some fears by the above PS... There > are 2 newsadmins ready to arm the UDP. They've asked for my > code. I haven't sent it yet. Only one site would be necessary > to bring anon.penet.fi to a screeching halt. Anyone can > implement the UDP on their own, if they care to. Politeness and > good sense prevents them from doing so. I wonder how long before > one form of impoliteness brings on another form. From: julf@penet.fi (Johan Helsingius) > It would be trivially easy to bring anon.penet.fi to a screeching > halt. In fact it has happened a couple of times already. But as > we are talking threats here, let me make one as well. A very > simple one. If somebody uses something like the UDP or > maliciously brings down anon.penet.fi by some other means, it > will stay down. But I will let the users know why. And name the > person who did it. OK? As somebody said on this thread: ""You have > to take personal responsibility for your actions"", right? From: avs20@ccc.amdahl.com ( 134 Atul V Salgaonkar) > I am very grateful and appreciative of this service , courtesey of > penet.fi. Some important questions about my personal > life/career/job were resolved due to kind help of other people > who had been thru similar situations. In return, I have also > replied to anon postings where I thought I could make a positive > contribution. > > In general, anon service is a great, in my opinion, although like > any tool some people will not use it responsibly. I suggest that > it should be kept alive. Wasting bandwidth is less important than > saving lives, I think. From: us273532@mmm.serc.3m.com (Elisa J. Collins) > I have been informed that the anonymous posting service to many > newsgroups has been turned off as a result of discussions in this > newsgroup over people abusing it. > > I had been posting to a nontechnical misc newsgroup about an > intimate topic for which I felt I required privacy. I have > received immeasurable help from the people in that newsgroup, and > I have never used anonymity to behave in an abusive, immature, or > unethical fashion toward anyone. > > Please, folks, believe me, I *need* this service. Please > consider my point of view and permit admin@anon.penet.fi to turn > the service back on... > > Thank you. * * * SEE ALSO ======== Part 1 (first file) ------ <1.1> What is `identity' on the internet? <1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet? <1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background? <1.4> How can I find out more about somebody from their email address? <1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? <1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet? <2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet? <2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet? <2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks? <2.4> How (in)secure is my account? <2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories? <2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows? <2.7> How (in)secure is my email? <2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings? <2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity? <2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me? <2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet? <2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet? <3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet? <3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet? <3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet? <3.4> What is `anonymous mail'? <3.5> What is `anonymous posting'? <3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet? <3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet? Part 2 (previous file) ------ <4.1> What UNIX programs are related to privacy? <4.2> How can I learn about or use cryptography? <4.3> What is the cypherpunks mailing list? <4.4> What are some privacy-related newsgroups? FAQs? <4.5> What is internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)? <4.6> What are other Request For Comments (RFCs) related to privacy? <4.7> How can I run an anonymous remailer? <4.8> What are references on privacy in email? <4.9> What are some email, Usenet, and internet use policies? <4.10> What is the MIT ``CROSSLINK'' anonymous message TV program? <5.1> What is ``digital cash''? <5.2> What is a ``hacker'' or ``cracker''? <5.3> What is a ``cypherpunk''? <5.4> What is `steganography' and anonymous pools? <5.5> What is `security through obscurity'? <5.6> What are `identity daemons'? <5.7> What standards are needed to guard electronic privacy? <6.1> What is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)? <6.2> Who are Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)? <6.3> What was `Operation Sun Devil' and the Steve Jackson Game case? <6.4> What is Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN)? <6.5> What is the National Research and Education Network (NREN)? <6.6> What is the FBI's proposed Digital Telephony Act? <6.7> What other U.S. legislation is related to privacy on networks? <6.8> What are references on rights in cyberspace? <6.9> What is the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) archive? <7.1> What is the background behind the Internet? <7.2> How is Internet `anarchy' like the English language? <7.3> Most Wanted list <7.4> Change history * * * This is Part 3 of the Privacy & Anonymity FAQ, obtained via anonymous FTP to pit-manager@mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/net-privacy/ or newsgroups news.answers, sci.answers, alt.answers every 21 days. Written by L. Detweiler . All rights reserved. ";-1;0 "Subject: CHRISTIAN DEVIL REVEALED! From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 56 >For a while I was puzzled by the the concept of Adam and Eve coming to >know good and evil. This is how I resolved it. Within God's universe >each action evokes an equal and opposite reaction. There can be no good >without evil as an opposite. So the issue is not what you do but to whom >you give your allegiance. That is why, even in this sinful state, when we >perform an evil act while we are submitted to God He does not place that >sinful act to our account (Rom 4:8) In the same vein you can perform all >the good deeds in the book, if your life is not under God's control you are >still sinning (see Rom 14:23). Now, take a good look at at, an tell me man, there is no Christian Devil? There is, is real, is a virus, a meme, infecting and possessing the good people and keep 'em from becoming human beings with emphasis on the being! Is not a matter of good people an evil people, is all good people see, but some good people vexed of the Christian Devil. An it can't be burn out or lynch out or rape out. Only wise up let I rise up. Christian Devil is real man, how else can you explain five hundred years of history, even more? Can only be explained by Christians invoke Christian Devil. you keep on knocking but you can't come in, i got to understand you've been living in sin, but walk right in and sit right down, i'll keep on loving you, i'll play the clown, but bend down low, let i tell you what i know yah i've been 'buked brothers and i've been stoned, woe, woe, woe, now i'm hung by a tree in the the ganging on a few, woe, woe, woe, it doesn't matter who the man is who lives the life he loves, it doesn't matter what the man does or the honest life he loves, i want somewhere, i want somewhere, hallelujah, hallelujah, somewhere to lay my head, woe is me only ska beat in 'eaven man stiff necked fools, you think you're cool, to deny me for simplicity, yes you have gone, for so long with your love for vanity now, yes you have got the wrong interpretation mixed up with vain imagination, so take jah sun and jah moon and jah rain and jah stars, and forever yes erase your fantasy, yeah, the lips of the righteous teach many, but fools die for want of wisdom, the rich man's wealth is in his city, the righteous wealth is in his holy place, so take jah sun and jah moon and jah rain and jah stars, and forever yes erase your fantasy, destruction of the poor is in their poverty, destruction of the soul is vanity, yeah, but i don't want to rule ya, i don't want to fool ya, i don't want to school ya, things you, you might never know about, yes you have got the wrong interpretation mixed up with vain, vain imagination, stiff necked fools, you think you're cool, to deny me for, oh simplicity love to see, when yah move in the rhythm, love to see when you're dancing from within, it gives great joy to feel such sweet togetherness, everyone's doing and they're doing their best, it remind i of the days in jericho, when we trodden down jericho wall, these are the days when we'll trod true babylon, gonna trod until babylon fall then I saw the angel with the seven seals saying, babylon throne going down we weeping and we wailing tonight ";-1;0 "From: bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents) Organization: Oce Graphics USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 22 Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote: : In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: : : >: I hope my cynicism is misplaced here. Go ahead...I'm not afraid to : >: be wrong every once in a while. But, I have an uneasy feeling that I : >: am right. :( : > : >It is and you are wrong yet you emotionally state a bunch of crap as fact : >with a tiny disclaimer at the end. Check your facts first and grow up. : >Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography : >and immaturity I wonder. : : Oh, I see, flame someone, tell them that they are immature, tell them : they are wrong, and then don't offer any proof for your assertions. : : You really *are* a putz. Put up or shut up. : I will provide any proof you wish in private. Name it, dickhead. Putz Cain ";-1;0 "From: peter@memex.co.uk (Peter Ilieve) Subject: Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow Organization: Memex Information Systems Ltd, East Kilbrde, Scotland Lines: 70 Excerpts from the Clipper announcement, with some questions: > -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone > calls and data, under proper court or other legal > order, when necessary to protect our citizens; >Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on > a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation > encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to > decipher the message? > >A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a > court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They > would then present documentation of this authorization to > the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and > obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug > smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are > stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key > escrow system. In these two sections the phrases `or other legal order' and `normally a court order' imply there is some other way or ways of doing a legal wiretap. What is/are these? How do they affect the way people who trust the system of court orders to protect them feel about this escrow system? The second section shows the sequence of events. The law enforcer, armed with his warrant, attaches his headphones to the line with his croc-clips (remember, these are the folk who couldn't cope with digital telephony) and hears a load of modem-like tones (we are talking analogue telephony here). What next? What modulation scheme do these Clipper boxes use? Is it possible to record the tones for use after the keys are obtained? I thought it was quite difficult to record a modem session at some intermediate point on the line. Maybe they have taken a crash course in data comms and have a unit that demodulates the tones and stores the digital stream for decryption later. This would still suffer from the same problems as trying to record the tones as the demodulator would not be at one end of the line. If calls can't be recorded for decryption later it would be quite easy to foil the system by buying lots of Clipper units (these are supposed to be cheap mass market items) and using them in turn. How tolerant is the modulation scheme to errors? These things are proposed for use by US corporations to secure their foreign offices, where phone line quality may well be poor. It seems hard enough to me to get digitised speech of any quality into something a modem can handle without having to add lots of error correction to keep the decryption in sync. >Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use > the government hardware? > >A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control > requirements. ... One of the > attractions of this technology is the protection it can give > to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this > in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a > case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these > devices to secure their own communications abroad. > ... This raises an intersting question in the UK. Here it is illegal to connect anything to a public telecomms network without it being approved by a body called BABT. It has been stated, either here or in the uk.telecom group, that they will not approve equipment that does encryption. I don't know if this is true or not, but this would make a good test case. Perhaps `friendly' countries, and the UK may still qualify, will get to fish in the escrowed key pool as well. Peter Ilieve peter@memex.co.uk ";-1;0 "From: kris@circ.upenn.edu (Kris Gupta) Subject: Re: NDW Norton Desktop for Windows Reply-To: kris@circ.upenn.edu Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: katsuru.circ.upenn.edu In article 2773@leland.Stanford.EDU, shiva@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matt Jacobson) writes: ... > I have taken it out of win.ini, but it still pops up running with windows. > I did a big search and found reference to it in ndw.ini, system.ini and > progman.ini. Removing it here causes a failure when starting up windows > (progrman.ini has a ""group 7 = ...ndw.exe..."" which can't be deleted.) > > Is there anyone familiar with NDW who can tell me how to turn it off?? > One of the items in the group folder (typically called Norton Desktop Applications) is labelled ""Norton Desktop Uninstall"". Need I say more! --- Kris B. Gupta - Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center Dept Radiology - Hospital of U of Pennsylvania Internet: kris@gynko.circ.upenn.edu ";6;1 "From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) Subject: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan Lines: 63 JLE the Great writes: [JLE] Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it [JLE] take to kill a 5 year old native child? [JLE] A: Four [JLE] Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, [JLE] and one writes up a false report. A couple of months ago JLE wrote a terrible C program (it would never have passed compilation). This is one describes JLE the Great. ---- 8< Cut Here and save to jle.c ----------- >8 ---------- #include #include #define LOSER 0x01 #define CHILDISH 0x01 #define UNHUMORISTIC 0x01 #define VULGAR 0x01 #define MOSSAD_AGENT 0x01 #define J_L_E LOSER | CHILDISH | UNHUMORISTIC | VULGAR | MOSSAD_AGENT static void abort() { printf(""Even if she wanted, JLE's mother couldn't abort this program""); printf(""\n\n\n\n""); } void main() { signal(SIGINT,abort); printf(""This program does not help Jewish-Arab relations :-( \n""); printf(""Hit ^C to abort \n""); /* Infinite loop, JLE never comes out of his world */ while(J_L_E); } ---- 8< Cut Here ----------- >8 ---------- To compile this ""wonderfool"" program on a unix machine try. cc -o jle jle.c or make jle then type jle at your prompt. I tried it, it works great ... Tsiel -- ----8<--------------------------------------------------------------->8------ Tsiel:ohayon@jcpl.co.jp | If you do not receive this E-mail, please let me Employer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible. opinions, if any ! | Two percent of zero is almost nothing. ";-1;0 "From: T. Kephart Subject: Re: LCIII problems (sideways HD's) Organization: Case School of Engineering Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:14:26 GMT In article <1qmgjk$ao5@menudo.uh.edu> , sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes: > Its not a good idea to have a horizontally formatted hard disk in a > vertical position. If the drive is formatted in a horizontal position, it can > not completely compensate for the gravitational pull in a vertical position. > I'm not saying that your hard disk will fail tomorrow or 6 months from now, but > why take that chance? If you want more detailed info on the problem, please > mail me at:===> sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu <===. > Sunny, I asked this question a while ago while contemplating placing my 650 on it's side. I received a response from someone at Seagate (Sorry I trashed the message) stating that most newer drives (Seagates at the least) can very well compensate for gravity. This means that a horizontally formatted drive can be later placed vertically with no data integrity problems. The only way that newer drives cannot work is if you have varying forces (shaking, bouncing, etc) so don't place the drive on it's side on a rocking chair :). What constitutes a 'newer' drive I don't know, try calling your drive manufacturer. I have a Quantum LP240S internal, and since I got it a month ago, I am guessing it's 'newer'. -t ";-1;0 "From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Space Clipper Launch Article X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 40 To All -- I thought the net would find this amusing.. From the March 1993 ""Aero Vision"" (The newsletter for the Employees of McDonnell Douglas Aerospace at Huntington Beach, California). SPACE CLIPPERS LAUNCHED SUCCESSFULLY ""On Monday, March 15 at noon, Quest Aerospace Education, Inc. launched two DC-Y Space Clippers in the mall near the cafeteria. The first rocket was launched by Dr. Bill Gaubatz, director and SSTO program manager, and the second by Air Force Captain Ed Spalding, who with Staff Sgt. Don Gisburne represents Air Force Space Command, which was requested by SDIO to assess the DC-X for potential military operational use. Both rocket launches were successful. The first floated to the ground between the cafeteria and Building 11, and the second landed on the roof of the cafeteria. Quest's Space Clipper is the first flying model rocket of the McDonnell Douglas DC-X. The 1/122nd semi-scale model of the McDonnell Douglas Delta Clipper has an estimated maximum altitude of 300 feet. The Space Clippers can be used in educational settings to teach mathematics and science, as well as social studies and other applications. The Space Clipper is available either in the $35 Space Clipper outfit, which includes everything needed for three launches, or as individual rockets for $12 each. Both are available through hobby shops or by calling 1-800-858- 7302."" By the way -- this is not an endorsement to buy the product nor is it an advertisement to buy the product. I make no claims about the product. This is posted for public information only (hey, I found it amusing...), and is merely a repeat of what was included in the MDSSC Huntington Beach Newsletter. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Wales Larrison Space Technology Investor --- Maximus 2.01wb ";2;1 "From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman) Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3 Article-I.D.: world.C52nBL.u5 Organization: Sun User Group Lines: 192 Nntp-Posting-Host: bridge.sug.org In article <1993Apr6.081605.12977@fwi.uva.nl> casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes: >epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) writes: > >>dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy) writes: >>There's a bug in SunOS 4.1.3, which is alluded to in the FAQ (although >>there it's talking about X11R4 as being affected). You need to force >>libXmu to be linked statically, rather than dynamically, which works >>around the linker error. The simplest thing to do is edit each of >>the Makefiles where there's a failure and change the line which reads: >> XMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -lXmu >>to: >> XMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic > >No. This is only relevant for OpenWindows 3.x as shipped with SunOS. >It is not relevant for MIT R5. MIT R5 should compile without problems. > >Casper I don't know how many hours you've spent on this, but the Sun User Group makes X11R5 available on CD-ROM to its members. The 1992.1 disk has both sources and binaries and it sells for $50. I've tagged a table of contents and an orderform on below if anyone's interested. Alex Newman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Newman (617) 232-0514 voice My life may be stressful, troll@sug.org (617) 232-1347 fax but at least it's not boring Sun User Group * 1330 Beacon St., #315 * Brookline, MA 02146 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUG CD 1992.1 is X11R5 and GNU on a CDROM, priced at $50 to SUG members, including a caddy! SUG's emphasis has always been on supplying the greatest possible service and value-added to our members. Last year, the SUG 1991 disk contained plug-and-play X11R4, 20MB of additional essential binaries, almost 200MB of Sun patches, fully-indexed archives of Sun-related net postings, priced at only $250. Our aim this year has been to reduce the price for disks which can be produced inexpensively, but to continue to supply as much value-added as possible. To accomplish this, we will be putting out a two disk set, the first containing what's ready and needed now, the second available later in '92, containing more SPARC binaries and other useful material not found on previous disks. The SUG 1992.1 disk, which was assembled by Robert A. Bruce, contains a lot of essential source code, and we decided it would be a great service to make it available right away to our members (and this pricing makes this a good opportunity to become a member!) for $50 per disk (including one of those hard-to-find caddies!). 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[ ] I do not wish my name to be included in non-Sun User Group mailings. [ ] I do not wish my name to be published in the Sun User Group member directory. [ ] I wish to be added to the Sun User Group electronic mailing-list (members only) OUTSIDE THE U.S. ONLY: Individuals outside of the USA may find using their credit cards easier than purchasing US$ checks as this eliminates bank charges. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sun User Group 1330 Beacon Street, Suite 315 Brookline, MA 02146 Voice: +1 617 232-0514 Fax: +1 617 232-1347 Email: office@sug.org ";-1;0 "From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 45 In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: > >I don't have a history handy, but I don't recall that the preponderance >of ROY's come from winning teams. In fact, I think team performance is >generally irrelevant, as almost always the most deserving candidate wins. >Am I wrong? Not really, though I wouldn't personally say ""the most deserving candidate wins"". Rarely does a player win ROY when called up in mid season, and there have been several duds in recent years. But this is more a factor of mediot biases than anything else. (I wonder. If Amaral hits like he is capable of, will he receive ROTY votes? He's only 31, he could have a long career ahead of him! :-) >And he is not necessarily on a losing team. While the Angels' staff >is still very weak, their everyday lineup is doing quite well, thank >you. Snow is playing great. Salmon is learning to make the adjustments. >Easley appears fine, but even if he's not Flora is ready to come up. >Between Gonzales and Gruber they'll manage the hot corner. Polonia >and Curtis are steady and heady. Even Myers and Orton are contributing. > >Personally, I think they can finish over .500 which makes them a >winning team. I think they are a second-division team. They should finish ahead of the Royals, Mariners, and *possibly* Athletics. But I don't think they'll be above .500. (I think the East is stronger this year.) Last year their pitching was bad and their offense was horrible. This year their offense is better, but their pitching is still pretty bad. Even if Finley returns to form, he won't replace what they lost in Abbott. Sanderson? Farrell? I don't believe it. And while their BA may be good, and they have decent speed, their offense lacks punch. They don't have any bona fide power hitters. (Salmon, Snow, Davis, and Curtis? None with more than 20 HR potential.) Cheers, -Valentine P.S. Which AL team had the most steals last week? Those go-go Tigers! The mediots finally managed to convince them that they needed ""more balance"" in their lineup. You see, they were scoring too many runs too consistently. Gotta run more to break that up. ";-1;0 "From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 22 In article <1483500346@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: >Those who wish to learn something about the perversion of Judaism, >should consult the masterly work by Yehoshua Harkabi, who was many >years the head of Israeli Intelligence and an opponent of the PLO. His Your suggestion to learn something about ""the perversion of Judaism"" from someone you claim has experience in Israeli intelligence and the PLO is like a suggestion to learn something about the conspiracy of Sesame Street from someone with experience in fashion design and pizza-making. >latest book was published in English and includes a very detailed analysis >of Judeo-Nazism. ""Judeo-Nazism""? CPR, you're in a league with Barf Shmidling himself. You can take that as a compliment, if you see it that way. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. ";-1;0 "From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Abyss: breathing fluids Article-I.D.: access.1psghn$s7r Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net In article enf021@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Achurist) writes: | |I believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump |the liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes. |So if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on |hold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times |as dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas |and liquid comparision of course! Could you use some sort of mechanical chest compression as an aid. Sorta like the portable Iron Lung? Put some sort of flex tubing around the 'aquanauts' chest. Cyclically compress it and it will push enough on the chest wall to support breathing????? You'd have to trust your breather, but in space, you have to trust your suit anyway. pat ";-1;0 "From: atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Ata Etemadi) Subject: Please Ignore [Ideal Operating System (Was: DEATH BLOW TO UNIX)] Nntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England Lines: 1 Whoops!! Wrong group. Soooooooooooooooorry folks.. ";-1;0 "From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) Subject: Re: Govs. Florio, Wilder Hit Airwaves In Support of Brady Bill Nntp-Posting-Host: taos Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr5.015209.29431@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: |> In article <1993Apr2.231109.23378@msc.cornell.edu> srussell@msc.cornell.edu (Stephen Russell) writes: |> >ObGuns: I'm moving to Arizona; everyone carries guns there. If I don't, what |> >are the approximate probabilities that I'll get shot by the end of six months? |> |> Under 1 in 20,000 assuming FBI statistics are meaningfull. Of course, if you're a criminal, or hang around with criminals, or flash large wads of cash in the wilder parts of town, or utter verbal bigotry in the right public places, your chances of being shot are much higher. Avoiding these behaviors, on the other hand, decreases your chances of being shot. Something like 60% of all murders are criminals killing criminals. Over 90% of murders are committed by people with a prior *known* history of violence. Simplistic moral, suitable for my three year old, and most inane posters: ""Bad people do bad things - repeatedly."" -- Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation. ""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."" -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797) ";3;1 "From: lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo) Subject: Re: Integra GSR Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr5.234729.100387@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS) writes: >Why don't you look again at Motor Trend's, slalom times, they are 67.9, right >along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that >are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than >a Beretta. My GS came with XGT V4s and they are NOT all weather tires. I took out my right front bumper sliding on packed snow (not ice), before I learned this fact. I immediately bought XGT H4s which are definately all-weather. A Carrera 4 I walk by everyday has XGT V4s on it even. The Michelin dealer where I bought my new tires said the V4s were made out of a different rubber that gets really hard and slick when the weather gets near feezing. Said he'd only try to sell me those tires during the winter if we were in Texas and not Colorado. Thanks, Eric -- -- O An inactive lifestyle Eric J. Lorenzo --- , betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes: > In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: >>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their >>hands up while national tv cameras watch. >> > Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever > really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of > a humiliated agency that said (quote!) ""Enough is enough."" As I understand it was considered unsafe for the tv networks to get any closer. Surely the networks can judge the risks of reporting for themselves. I haven't noticed CNN being banned from Baghdad hotels yet despite the (all too real) risk of having a cruise missile land in the lobby. Incidentally has that ever been explained or are we to assume that out of the whole of the city an off-course missile just happened to hit that hotel at a probability of about 1 in some very large number? Unsafe for who I wonder? -- Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810) ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** ";3;1 "From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 18 In article bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu (Barak H. Tulin) writes: >I just started reading this thread today, so forgive me if it has already been >mentioned. But...what was the deal with Renault's putting the horn on the >left-hand turn-signal stalk? It was a button on the end, where the washer >button would be on the wiper/washer stalk. Could the Frenchies not figure >out the wiring through the steering wheel, or what? Ford tried that also, back in 1983. My 1983 Ranger Pickup had the horn at the end of the turn-signal stalk, instead of in the center of the wheel where God intended it to be. :-) I drove two different cars then (the other an 1984 Camry), and never did get used to pushing the turn-signal stalk to blow the horn. The only time I got it right was when I was getting the annual state-required safety inspection! Not one of Ford's better ideas. -- Dick Grady Salem, NH, USA grady@world.std.com So many newsgroups, so little time! ";-1;0 "From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: Yankee fears. Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu I would e-mail this to you, but my mailserver doesn't recognize you or something. Anyway, the worst pitcher on the Yanks. If you mean currently on the team, then I have to go with Scott ""I'm a schizophrenic...No, I'm NOT!"" Kamienicki. Sure, occasionally the guy can pitch well for 5 or 6 innings, but then he starts to go insane. A sure sign that he's losing his stuff (and his mind) is when he starts to stalk around the mound between batters and yell at himself. The worst all-time Yanks pitcher? Gotta go with Ed ""New York? I have to pitch in [gulp] New York?"" Whitson. 'Nuff said! --I'm outta here like Vladimir! -Alan Sepinwall XVIII =========================================================================== | ""What's this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets | | too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when | | they get too sexually frustrated."" | | -Val Kilmer, ""Real Genius"" | =========================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.204743.21314 Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu You're right ... I'm sick of seeing all those white guys on skates myself ... the Vancouver Canucks should be half women, and overall one-third Oriental. (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; And I'll gladly volunteer myself for the overage draft. (-; gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";-1;0 "From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel) Subject: Re: Rumours about New Duos !!!!! Article-I.D.: manta.kitchel.734892133 Distribution: comp.sys.mac.hardware, comp.sys.mac.comm Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: manta.dpsi.com jek5036@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.E. King) writes: >Since we are on the subject of chip power consumption, >I heard (from a very reliable source) that the DEC Alpha chip uses >1/2 the power that Intel's Pentium chip does, and it still whips >the Pentium's butt. Makes you wonder why Intel ever made >a chip to begin with! >Wouldn't you like a PowerBook Alpha running about 300 MIPS? Cool idea.. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt!! Sorry -- wrong. It would be an extremely hot idea...at least with the current Alphas. The available Alphas run up to 200 MHz. But they produce quite a bit of heat. In fact so much that they need special mounting with extra large heat sinks. Also Apple looks pretty commited to the PowerPC route instead of a deal with DEC. --Sid -- Sidney W. Kitchel kitchel@cs.indiana.edu, kitchel@dpsi.com Data Parallel Systems, Inc. ============|| DPSI ||=============== 4617 E. Morningside Drive (812) 334-8100 Bloomington, Indiana, 47408 USA FAX: (812) 334-8121 ";-1;0 "From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) Subject: Re: Was ""Re: Safety"": From how far can you see a car ? Organization: CDAC, WA Distribution: na Lines: 95 In article simnet@plato.ds.boeing.com (Mark R Poulson) writes: >ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: >> You will be surprised at the number of people who forget their glasses >> while driving. And then there are the people who just plain don't get >> their eyes checked once a year. > >As someone who has lousy vision, I can see objects at a distance without >my glasses. However, they are quite fuzzy and I may not be able to make >out the details. But I can certainly tell that SOMETHING is there. I won't argue too much about anything. I am probably one of those that think that we can't have enough safety on the roads. I would gladly sacrifice distractions (as you call it), than someone having trouble seeing danger earlier. One saved life justifies more than my lifetime of ""distractions"" for me. >> And then there is dawn and dusk. When your eyes have not yet adjusted >> to the poor light. And there are those who drive black/grey cars. And >> then there is the case where you are driving down a two-way one lane >> road, and someone is overtaking cars, and coming the opposite direction >> doesn't see you because your lights are not on. Or vice versa. At 60mph, >> that is quite a small reaction time. But of course, we are too macho to >> think we are invincible and can react faster than that.... Only the poor >> sod who you didn't see might not have a normal life ever... > >I worked out the reaction time in a previous post and its PLENTY, even for >an 80 year old grandma, as long as speeds are in the 60 MPH range or less. >If you or some other driver is going way faster than that, then be careful. > >As always, you are responsible for your driving actions. If you pull out to >pass and crash into someone (for whatever reason) its YOUR fault. If you can't Problem is that, I may just kill the guy. I agree that I would be at fault, and I will have my license revoked, why, I might even go to the gas chamber. But the fact still remains that the guy is dead. Someone died because I was too stingy to put on my lights. >see a damn thing, then you shouldn't be driving -- lights fail, fallen trees >or rocks don't have lights, etc.... I maintain that headlight strength The ratio of the probability of fallen trees/rocks on the roads to oncoming traffic is too low to even be considered. The difference is also working on what we *know* could happen, to what *might* happen. >running lights are not necessary for motorists who drive around 60MPH. It may >be a good idea to force the running or headlights on when you turn your >windshield wipers on, but only because some people are too stupid to do so. >If you crash into one of those idiots, you have to fight it out in court to >show his neglegence (if you can even prove it). >> Just out of curiosity, how much gas-milage do you loose when you put >> your lights on? And how much do you reduce the life of your head-lamps? >> And what is the cost of your headlamps anyway? > >Mileage is certainly reduced, but by a very very small amount (probably >about 110 watts for head and running lights). This is an extra 1/7 horsepower >that must be made by the engine. It may be that this will cost you around two >gallons a year. But times 200 million cars, that's a lot of gas. Compared to the number of gallons of gas consumed by those 200 million cars, it is miniscule! Whatever..... 'tis a pity I have to share the same roads with a person not concerned with safety. -S ssave@ole.cdac.com >Lamp life is measured in hours. So if you normally drive in half daylight and >half night, your lamps will have to be replaced twice as often. Headlamps >only cost about $10US for most halogen lamps. > >The cost to the individual is trivial and to me is not the issue. What I >don't like is the distractions all these cars with headlights cause. I don't >need to constantly see the headlights of the vehicle behind me. I don't need >to see the headlights of every gosh darn car for a mile down the road. These >lit up cars make non-illuminated things LESS visible (like pedistrians and >bikes). Hopefully we're not going to mandate DRL's for people and bikes >too. > >A stream of taillights is tolerable as are the orange front running lights. >This is certainly sufficient for other people to see you (if they look) and >doesn't distract me nearly as much as full power headlights. > > Mark ";-1;0 "From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 23 In article <1993Apr15.214032.1@acad.drake.edu> sbp002@acad.drake.edu writes: >> Not clear to me at all. I'd certainly rather have a team who was winning >> 4-1 games than 2-1 games. In the 2-1 game, luck is going to play a much >> bigger role than in the 4-1 game. >But you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to >one run. Not if you've scored four runs, you don't! Why strain even the best pitching staff? Why not make it easier for them? In the 2-1 game, the best pitching staff in the world can't compensate for a blown call, a bad hop, a gust of wind. Winning close is the wrong way to win; both keeping opposing runs down AND scoring a lot yourself are insurance against the ""Shit happens"" aspect of baseball. Not every great teamhas even *good* pitching. The Big Red Machine of the 70's was league-average in pitching. But somehow, Rose-Morgan-Bench- Perez-etc. managed to win 100 games more than once, peaking at 108. Roger ";-1;0 "From: pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone) Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Distribution: rec Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr19.164842.18206@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: >Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? > >Mike Terry No. At least, that's what I told the NASA rent-a-cop that stopped me because he swore I was ""lifting it up."" He didn't completely buy the part about water in the carbs, either. Phil Stone NEW ADDRESS----------> pstone@well.sf.ca.us '83 R80ST ""Motorcycles OK"" ";-1;0 "From: John Lussmyer Subject: Re: DC-X update??? Organization: Mystery Spot BBS Reply-To: dragon@angus.mi.org Lines: 12 henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > The first flight will be a low hover that will demonstrate a vertical > landing. There will be no payload. DC-X will never carry any kind Exactly when will the hover test be done, and will any of the TV networks carry it. I really want to see that... -- John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org) Mystery Spot BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------?-- ";-1;0 "From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? Organization: George Washington University Distribution: usa Lines: 27 > > >>BEGIN ----------------------- CUT HERE --------------- >>begin 666 ntreal.bmp >>M0DTV5P< #8$ H ( , %@"" ! @ >>M $ ! @@P![( @ ""!A> #!_F #CD ,56# #D. !=>_D >>M4PA: &4H@P""L,1 $U); &N+L0 ($!@ +4WA !,J.0 B/%H 9TJ3 $KKZP 0 >>M,;, TD4I /ZGB0!)#UH (0A. ""6E@ I !@ 4B!I "" ! !BBZX #!E1 )BV > >Deleted a lot of stuff!!!!!!! >How do you convert this to a bit map??? You're supposed to delete everything above the ""cut here"" mark, and below the lower cut here mark, and uudecode it. but *I was not able to: unexpected end of file encountered at the last line. could you please re-post it, or tell be what I'm doing wrong? thanks,i.a., Mickey -- pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* \\\\ | ""well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..""(gd) ";-1;0 "From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan S. Yigit) Subject: Re: Public Service Translation No.2 In-Reply-To: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04: 57:08 GMT Organization: York U. Student Information Systems Project Lines: 54 David posts a good translation of a post by Suat Kinikliouglu: [most of the original post elided] [KK] ***** VATAN SEVGISI RUHLARI KIRDEN KURTARAN EN KUVVETLI RUZGARDIR ***** In translation, as a public service: [most of the translation elided] ***** THE LOVE OF THE FATHERLAND IS THE STRONGEST OF ALL WINDS CLEANSING FILTH OFF SOULS ***** I think this part of the translation is questionable. Although I think the original quote is plain silly, you made it sound as if it is coming from a neo-nazi youth. For example, Turks talk of a ""motherland"" not a Germanic ""fatherland"". Why ""filth"" instead of ""dirt""? The indeterminacy of translation is a well-known problem [1] so one may have to ""fudge"", but with some care of course. Is the following an equally valid translation? The love of one's country is the strongest wind to cleanse one's soul. See my point? Nevertheless, I think you translate well. oz --- [1] Willard Van Orman Quine Word and Object MIT Press, Cambridge, Mass 1960 ";-1;0 "From: bernstei@next3.corp.mot.com (Andrew Bernstein) Subject: Re: GEICO mechanical breakdown insurance Organization: MOTOROLA Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.149.38 Lines: 36 In article rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes: @>In article <1993Apr4.010517.9701@lds.loral.com> mcculloc@sps204.lds.loral.com (Thad McCulloch) writes: @>> @>>Has anyone had any experience with GEICO's extended @>>warranty plan. It seems to be slightly less expensive than @>>the normal dealer-sponsored policy. @>> @>and once again....*never* buy extended warranties....they are a complete and @>total ripoff period!!!! you are better off taking your money and putting it @> in a bank and using that money for repairs. many extended warranties never @>pay or have co-payments etc. @> How many people will actually put that money in the bank and keep it there for the sole use of a automotive repair......maybe for people who have a hard time saving money or don't want the hassle of worrying about paying for everything the extended warranty is worth it.....for some people it is worth it...others not, and for some the peace of mind knowing you won't have too many unexpected expenses is enough.....if you drive a lot, your basic warranty can be up in a little longer than a year....how many people can make the car payments as well as large repairs.... It may work for some people...... Andrew -- Andrew Bernstein Motorola Inc. ""There's no such thing as sanity, 1299 E. Algonquin Road and that's the sanest fact"" Schaumburg, IL 60196-1077 ---- Dire Straits bernstei@next3.corp.mot.com (NeXT mail OK) ";10;1 "From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Lines: 117 In article , PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: > In article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > >>In article <1993Apr14.120958.11363@synapse.bms.com>, hambidge@bms.com writes: >>> Self defense is a valid reason for RKBA. >> >> The vast majority get through life without ever having to >> own, use or display a firearm. > > You might have missed the U.S. News & World Report excerpt > I posted. It is fairly consistant with other such polls, finding > that approximately 40-50% of households have at least one firearm. > How this translates into individual ownership is questionable, but I > think it's fairly safe to say that you're wrong about the ""vast majority."" OK ... a near-majority actually OWN firearms, but I will still claim that the VAST majority never needs to use them or even threaten anyone with them. What do they do right ... or are they just lucky ? In either case, this means the 'average threat level' in this country is rather low. >> Besides, there are other >> means of self-protection which can be just as effective >> as firearms. > > Please name them. The key phrase is ""can be."" Theories are > nice, but practicality is more important. A taser (to chose an > exmpale outlawed virtually everywhere) ""can"" be as effective as a gun, > under optimal conditions when dealing with your absolute average > [...] I think you have weapons on the brain. I never said that these alternative means of self-protection involved any hardware. Why are 'good' neighborhoods 'good' ? It isn't because every person is armed to the teeth. It is because of (1) attitude and (2) cooperation. In the 'good' neighborhoods, the residents make themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when strangers are lurking around. 'Good' neighborhoods form groups like 'crime-watch' to increase this effect, and the relative effectiveness of the police. When hostiles are arrested, the good neighbors step up and say ""THAT'S the one officer ! He was robbing Mr. Jones' house"". In short, the alternative to firepower is gangs ... or at least a benificent manifestation of that social cooperative. Replace lead with flesh ... the flesh makes a better conversationalist too and you can invite it over for a block party. >>> Freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion, necessity, or >>> scientific scrutiny. >> >> New to this planet ? EVERYTHING is dependent on either public >> or political opinion, usually political. To imagine that >> inalienable 'rights' are somehow wired into the vast cold >> cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion. > > In a very real sense *everything* the government does is based > on public approval, if for no other reason than at any particular time > there aren't ""public servants"" commonly adorning trees. > > But legality and legitimacy also matter. If a government's charter > makes a rule, which the government then violates, it is violated the > basis for its existance. Enforcement of its will becomes a matter > solely of force of arms. Oliver North. The man is positively worshiped in many all-American 'conservative' quarters. He and Big Ron set-up a secret government and did all sorts of severely illegal deeds - the kind of stuff you and I would be doing twenty-to-life for, yet he walks free. This BS happens all the time. In fact, it happens so much that no one really cares anymore. 'Legitimacy' is a non-issue. Legality is a non-issue. So long as we get T-bones and our MTV, who gives a rats ass ? >>> No arguments against RKBA can withstand scientific scrutiny. >> >> They don't have to. Like so many other things, the issue >> is one of -perception- rather than boring statistics. > > Excuse me, sir, but *you* were the one suggesting that arguments > for RKBA would not stand up to scientific scrutiny. No. I claimed that no one is interested in the statistical aspects of the argument. Pure emotion, like the abortion issue. >> Every time some young innocent is gunned-down in a drive >> by, every time some kid is murdered for a jacket, every >> time a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change, >> every time some moron kills his wife because she took the >> last beer from the fridge, every time someone hears a 'bang' >> in the night .... the RKBA dies. > > Emotion is hard to argue against. But it must be done anyway if > emotion is wrong. Argue away ... you can't win. >> The stats are not all *that* >> clearly behind firearms - > > And just yesterday you claimed they weren't behind them at > all. > >> the protection factor does not >> strongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor. > > Operating under the assumption that the same conditions absolutely > govern both of them. That the expansion of one automatically necessitates > the contraction of the other. Firearms-related mindless mayhem will be related to the availibility of firearms. If they become scarce and and expensive, a different psychology will take hold. I *think* they would be used far less to settle trivial complaints. ";-1;0 "From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: opinions of RC2 alg. Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 18 Markowitz@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL writes: > It is interesting to note in this regard that permission to export > PKZIP's encryption scheme has twice been denied by NSA. Draw you own > conclusions. Uh, I'm afraid that your information is slightly out of date... PKWare has obtained a license to export their program to the whole world, except a very limited list of countries... Draw your own conclusions about the strength of the algorithm... :-) Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany ";-1;0 "From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: Oscilloscope triggering Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 55 In article , dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes: |> >>Can someone out there explain exactly what the 'trigger' |> >>feature found on oscilloscopes does? |> > |> { lots og good explanation deleted} |> Is it just me, or does anybody else out there NOT like digital |> scopes. My school has some beauutful 100Mhz HP that are digital with |> all the bells and whistles, including soft-keys, which I think are a |> loveley touch. ( that is, software keys. ) You don't forget that you |> are dealing with a computer. Those scopes even with all their |> neatness, still make the ickyest looking waves. Lotsa features, but |> ugly output. And those are the best digitals I have ever seen. I've |> seen a lot of cheaper digitals and they look terrible. I think the hangup with digital scopes is that you have to know so much more about them and how they work on a scope-by-scope basis, and some of the functions are typically presented, in my opinion, in a counter-intuitive fashion (HP has made some strides in their 54600 series, IMO). Automatic setups are fine for simple, repetitive waveforms, but can give you some crazy results on more complex events where you need to understand how the scope is actually measuring/processing the event. For example, is the scope in ""equivalent time"" or in ""real time"" sampling mode (equivalent time being a mode where samples are built-up slowly by adding a delay to the trigger event each sweep)? What was the scope's actual sampling rate at the time? How is the data being massaged after capture but before display, etc. One common misconception is the speed of the scope. Is the HP scope you're using really a 100 MHz scope? Or is it a 20 MHz sample rate scope (~5 MHz single shot significance) whose front end including S/H can support 100 MHz waveforms (important for equivalent time sampling)? The 100 MHz input in this case really only helps you when your waveform is repetitive, or on a single sample, when you get lucky and hit a transient event during a sample time. So, there are a lot more variables in understanding how to get useful information from a digital scope. I prefer an analog scope for general use and the digital for events where I need storage for later analysis or comparison, when the event is within the capability of the scope. Now, for the price of true 100 MHz digital scopes to fall... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) ";-1;0 "From: donrm@sr.hp.com (Don Montgomery) Subject: Radio Shack Battery of the Month Club Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2] Lines: 10 Radio Shack has canceled their ""Battery of the Month"" Club. Does anyone know why? They say they'll honor existing cards in customer hands, but no new cards will be issued. Don Montgomery donrm@sr.hp.com ";-1;0 "From: sponna@eos.ncsu.edu (SRIKANTH PONNAPALLI) Subject: Super Scope6 for sale (SNES) Organization: North Carolina State University Lines: 17 Hello folks, I've a super scope 6 for sale, it comes with a CRT and all boxes and instructions included $50 shipping included. I got that only a month back and used only twice. -- ,,, ,,, (o o) (o o) _______oOO__(_)__OOo______________________oOO__(_)__OOo________ | | | | Srikanth Ponnapalli | E-mail address: | | PoBox: 5604, | | | Raleigh N.C. 27650-5604 | sponna@eos.ncsu.edu | | Phone:(919) 781-5448 | ponna-s@aza.csc.ncsu.edu | | (after 9:00 pm) | sponnapa@math.ncsu.edu | | | | _______________________________________________________________ (__) (__) (__) (__) ";-1;0 "From: johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson) Subject: Re: QuickTime movie available Article-I.D.: mustang.johnsh-060493161931 Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: mustang.stu.rpi.edu In article , I wrote: > > I've used the recently-released Macintosh application MPEG to QuickTime to > convert the excellent MPEG ""canyon.mpg"" into a QuickTime movie. While > anyone who would want this movie is perfectly able to convert it > themselves, I thought I'd let the net know that I'd be glad to mail copies > of mine out. The movie conversion took close to SIX HOURS on my poor > little IIcx; in other words, unless you've got a Quadra, you might not want > to tie up your machine in converting this file. > > The movie is a fast fly-through of a fractal-generated canyon landscape. > The movie is 58 seconds long, and uses the compact video compressor (i.e., > QuickTime v1.5). The movie looks okay on 8-bit displays, and looks > absolutely awesome on 16- and 24-bit displays. > > I'd be happy to mail this movie to the first 20 or so people who ask for > it. The only caveat is you need to be able to receive a nine-megabyte mail > message (the movie was stuff-it'ed down to seven megs, but binhex ruined > that party). If more then 20 people want this movie, then it's just more > evidence that the net needs a dedicated QuickTime FTP archive site. C'mon, > someone's gotta have a spare 1.2GB drive out there... Okay, I've received a whole lot of requests for the movie, so for simplicity's sake I can't mail out any more than I've already received (as of 16:30 EDT, Tuesday). Maybe it'll pop up on a site sooner or later. ============================================================================== Hugh Johnson (johnsh@rpi.edu) | Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | Welcome to Macintosh. Troy, New York, USA | ============================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: wiml@stein2.u.washington.edu (William Lewis) Subject: Re: Abyss--breathing fluids Organization: University of Washington Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) writes: >Besides the mechanical problems of moving so dense a medium in oan out >of the lungs (diaphragm fatigue, etc.), is there likely to be a problem >with the mixture? I mean, since the lungs never expel all the air in >them, the inhaled air has to mix pretty quickly with the residual air in >the lungs to provide a useful partial pressure of oxygen, right? Would >this mixing be substantially faster/slower at the pressures we're >talking about? There was an interesting article in Scientific American some time ago about breathing liquid. (It was a few months before _The Abyss_ came out.) As far as I can remember, they mentioned three things that were difficult to do at once with a substitute breathing fluid: - low viscosity --- if it's too difficult to force the fluid in & out of the lungs, you can't extract enough oxygen to power your own breathing effort (let alone anything else) - diffusion rate --- obviously, not all the air in your lungs is expelled when you breathe out; and the part that isn't expelled is the part that's nearest the walls of the alveoli. (alveolus?) So the trip from the blood vessels to the new air has to be done by diffusion of the gas through the fluid. Apparently oxygen tends to diffuse more readily than CO2, so even if you can get enough oxygen in, you might not be able to get enough CO2 out. - oxygen/CO2 capacity --- you have to be able to dissolve enough gas per unit volume. Oh, and of course, your new breathing fluid must not irritate the lungs or interfere with their healing or anything like that... -- Wim Lewis, wiml@u.washington.edu ";-1;0 "From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Subject: Boom! Dog attack! Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Distribution: world Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937 Lines: 59 My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target, then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to harm. But I digress: I was riding near the (unpainted) centerline of the roughly 30-foot wide road, doing between forty and sixty clicks (30 mph for the velocity-impaired). The dog shot at me from behind bushes on the left side of the road at an impossibly high speed. I later learned he had been accelerating from the front porch, about thirty feet away, heading down the very gently sloped approach to the side of the road. I saw the dog, and before you could say SIPDE, he was on me. Boom! I took the dog in the left leg, and from the marks on the bike my leg was driven up the side of the bike with considerable force, making permanent marks on the plastic parts of the bike, and cracking one panel. I think I saw the dog spin around when I looked back, but my memory of this moment is hazy. I next turned around, and picked the most likely looking house. The apologetic woman explained that the dog was not seriously hurt (cut mouth) and hoped I was not hurt either. I could feel the pain in my shin, and expected a cool purple welt to form soon. Sadly, it has not. So I'm left with a tender shin, and no cool battle scars! Interestingly, the one thing that never happened was that the bike never moved off course. The not inconsiderable impact did not push the bike off course, nor did it cause me to put the bike out of control from some gut reaction to the sudden impact. Delayed pain may have helped me here, as I didn't feel a sudden sharp pain that I can remember. What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end? I eagerly await comment. Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . * SLMR 2.1a * ""He's hurt."" ""Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor -- oh, right."" ---- +===============================================================+ |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| +===============================================================+ ";-1;0 "From: jen187@its.CSIRO.AU (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812) Subject: Re: islamic authority over women Organization: CSIRO ITS Lines: 41 In article <1993Apr5.023044.19580@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: |> |> That's your mistake. It would be better for the children if the mother |> raised the child. |> |> One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", |> because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. |> Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my |> point. |> |> But in no way do you have a claim that it would be better if the men |> stayed home and raised the child. That is something false made up by |> feminists that seek a status above men. You do not recognize the fact |> that men and women have natural differences. Not just physically, but |> mentally also. |> Bobby, there's a question here that I just HAVE to ask. If all of your posts aren't some sort of extended, elaborate hoax, why are you trying so hard to convince the entire civilised world that you're feeble minded? You have a talent for saying the most absurd things. Here's a little sign for you, print it, cut it out and put it on top of your computer/terminal. ENGAGE BRAIN PRIOR TO OPERATING KEYBOARD (Having said all that, I must admit we all get a laugh from your stuff.) -- | Graham Jenkins | graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au | | CSIRO | (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | | Canberra, AUSTRALIA | Research Organisation) | ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Greg Spath Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings Distribution: inet <1993Apr16.105809.22218@walter.cray.com> Lines: 12 In article , s106275@ee.tut.fi (Anssi Saari) says: > >In <1993Apr16.105809.22218@walter.cray.com> huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) writes: > >>I would also like an explanation of this. If anyone can explain >>why the SB Pro and LPT 1 can share an IRQ, please do so. > >I think it's simply because DOS doesn't use the IRQ for anything. OS/2 does, >so with that you can't share the IRQ. > That is correct. in DOS you can use IRQ 7 for your SB.You can't do that under OS/2 because it uses IRQ 7 for the printer ";-1;0 "From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) Subject: Re: Slick 50, any good? Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA Lines: 16 Hmmm....I was listening to the local radio expert (who is, amazingly enough, an Honest-to-God Expert(tm); it's amazing what he knows...), and he said that, based on his conversations with the inventor of Slick50 (who is no longer with the comapny, due to some kind of conflict), he avoids it like the plague. He does recommend other teflon-based/type oil additives, though. James James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has and all he's ever gonna have."" --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" ";10;1 "From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Orbital RepairStation Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 20 In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >The biggest problem with this is that all orbits are not alike. It can >actually be more expensive to reach a satellite from another orbit than >from the ground. But with cheaper fuel from space based sources it will be cheaper to reach more orbits than from the ground. Also remember, that the presence of a repair/supply facility adds value to the space around it. If you can put your satellite in an orbit where it can be reached by a ready source of supply you can make it cheaper and gain benefit from economies of scale. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | | W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | +----------------------58 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >humor us. Thanks for your help. > >Thanks. >Bobby Hank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish faith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world series games because of Yom Kippur) -- Pablo Iglesias pi@ruth.ece.jhu.edu ";-1;0 "From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White) Subject: Re: eXpEn$iVe MOTOROLA Handheld Radio For Peanuts! Nntp-Posting-Host: smassimini-mac.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation Distribution: na Lines: 23 Jeff Later writes: > MOTOROLA EXPO VHF 2WATT/2CHAN. HT--------[new]-------$1200.00 > Would like $400, or BEST OFFER!!! I'm sure that the Motorola is worth it, but this kind of thing has always mystified me. $400 is the price of very good, new dual-band, fully synthasized HT. Yes, yes, I know Motorola HTs are bullet-proof, unbreakable, plutonium-based indestructable -- you can drive a tank over them and they'll still work. But just how often does that come up? Why are hams willing (and they *are*) to spend the price of a synthaszied dual-bander for a 2-channel xtal rig??? Note: this is not a flame; as I said, I'm sure this is a good deal for this rig. I'm just amazed that it *is* a good deal. I would have guessed that a 2 channel xtal rig could never be worth as much as a dual- bander to a ham, no matter how durable. Just shows you how wrong *I* can be. Mike, N4PDY ****************************** * These are my opinions only.* ****************************** ";-1;0 "From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (S Reply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) Distribution: world Organization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937 Lines: 19 JL-NS>Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (Summer Job) I'd like to thank everyone who replied. I will probably start looking in earnest after May, when I return from my trip down the Pacific Coast (the geographical feature, not the bike). Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . * SLMR 2.1a * Have bike, will travel. Quickly. Very quickly. ---- +===============================================================+ |COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS 604-255-9937(HST) 604-986-9937(V32)| |Vancouver, BC, Canada - Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop| +===============================================================+ ";-1;0 "From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: realizing colours/win.ini setting changes to ""y"" automatically: Organization: George Washington University Lines: 32 Mornin' all. I was wonderin'..... I got screenpeace (the screensaver, which I think is *very* good), and I got a problem with it... There is an option there, ""realize colour table"", and if it's switched on, some wallpapers' colours will get *ucked up with some screensavers (e.g. the ""flashlight"" one). If I turn it off, however, it works well, and it's faster, so I have it off. All's nice and well. However, If I turn it off, then it will be on again next time I start windows. All the setting are set in the win.ini file, and I *do* have ""save settings on exit"" selected. also, I tried manually changing the setting in the win.ini file to ""n"" (for no-->realize colour table), and started windows. It will be fine for that session, but the next session will *again* turn the option on. I tried adding a +R (read-only) attribute to my win.ini file, and it worked, but my bitmap (wallpaper) saver didn't work then. Actually, it's the same application. Anywya, it didn't work, since it must change the setting at the win.ini file. so anyone out there got any answers/suggesions/comments for me? thanks, i.a. Mickey aka mp -- pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* \\\\ | ""well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..""(gd) ";6;1 "From: b711zbr@utarlg.uta.edu (JUNYAN WANG) Subject: Bible contradictions News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington Lines: 2 I would like a list of Bible contadictions from those of you who dispite being free from Christianity are well versed in the Bible. ";-1;0 "From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) Subject: Re: Deir Yassin In-Reply-To: aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 18:48:15 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University Lines: 44 In article aurag@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Aurag Hassan) writes: Are you trying to say that there were no massacres in Deir Yassin or in Sabra and Shatila? If so then let me tell you some good jokes: There is not and was not any such thing like jewish killing in WWII Palestinians just did what Davidians did for fourty years and more. In fact no one was killed in any war at any time or any place. People die that is all. No one gets killed. Maybe also vietamiese didn't die in Vietnam war killed by american napalm they were just pyromaniacs and that's all. Maybe jews just liked gas chambers and no one forced them to get in there.they may be thought it was like snifing cocaine. No? What do you think of this ? Isn't it stupid to say so? Well it is as stupid as what you said .Next time you want to lie do it intelligently. Sincerely yours. Hassan Arab civilians did die at Dir yassin. But there was no massacre. First of all, the village housed many *armed* troops. Secondly, the Irgun and Stern fighters had absolutely no intentions of killing civilians. The village was attacked only for its military significance. In fact, a warning was given to the occupants of the village to leave before the attack was to begin. By all rational standards, Dir Yassin was not a massacre. The killing was unintentional. The village housed Arab snipers and Arab troops. Thus it was attacked for its military significance. It was not attacked with intentions of killing any civilians. To even compare Dir Yassin, in which some 120 or so Arabs died, to the Holocaust is absurd. The Irgun did not want to kill any civilians. The village had almost 1000 inhabitants, most of whom survived. Harry. ";15;1 "From: sp@odin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Svein Pedersen) Subject: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway Lines: 6 I nead a utility for updating (deleting, adding, changing) *.ini files for Windows. Do I find it on any FTP host? Svein ";-1;0 "From: pastor@vfl.paramax.com (Jon Pastor) Subject: Re: No 32-bit box on Gateway Nntp-Posting-Host: athansor Organization: not much... Lines: 20 I got this from GW2000: From: gateway@aol.com X-Mailer: America Online Mailer To: pastor@vfl.paramax.com Subject: Re: 32-bit disk access Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 14:26:45 EST Message-Id: <9303291426.tn05643@aol.com> Status: RO Jon - To get 32bit access in windows all you have to do is edit the system.ini... Look under the 386Enhanced section and add this line to it ""32bitdiskaccess=on""... This will give you the 32bitdiskaccess that you need... Thanks :) Regards, Scot Oehlerking (G2kScooter) Gateway 2000 ";5;1 "From: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jesus in your heart..."" Reply-To: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 7 I have been told that I seem to be very smug in my post. I appoligize if anyone felt this way. I did not at all desire to come across in that way. I was trying to express that I didn't understand his logic and that I wished him the best in his life. In Christ's Love, Bryan Whitsell ";-1;0 "From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Nntp-Posting-Host: tbilisi.src.honeywell.com Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center Lines: 26 In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: > >What the hell do you know about Israeli policy? What gives you the fiat >to look into the minds of Israeli generals? Has this 'policy of intimidation' >been published somewhere? For your information, the actions taken by Arabs, >specifically the PLO, were not uncommon in the Lebanon Campaign of 1982. My >brain is full of shit? At least I don't look into the minds of others and >make Israeli policy for them! > ... deleted I am not in the business of reading minds, however in this case it would not be necessary. Israelis top leaders in the past and present, always come across as arrogant with their tough talks trying to intimidate the Arabs. The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons: 1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently most of their leaders are stupid, and/or not independent, and/or dictators. 2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising. ";-1;0 "Subject: Motherboards & Hard Drives From: vacsc0qe@VAX.CSUN.EDU Reply-To: vacsc0qe@VAX.CSUN.EDU Organization: Cal State Northridge Lines: 12 I have just a few quick questions. Does anyone here have a 486 DLC system? (a Cyrix 486 DX) Any problems with it? Second, how much should a Cyric 486DLC-33 motherboard (with no RAM) run me? 3rd...Should a total amatuer (like myslef) be able to perform a motherboard swap without the aid of a technician, or is it beyond hope? 4th...I hear that some (if not all) hard drives may require reformatting if you switch them to another computer (or motherboard as the case may be). Is there any truth to this? Any replies would be greatly appreciated. ";5;1 "From: desperate fan Subject: HELP! WC coverage in Europe Originator: tervo@messi.uku.fi Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland Lines: 6 Vielen dank Desperate Fan PS. Sweden vs Finland finished 6-6 in Gothenburg 15th Apr. ";-1;0 "From: mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr16.104158.27890 Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon Lines: 37 bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes: >Saw this in today's newspaper: >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FORTUNE-GUZZLER BARRED FROM BARS >-------------------------------- >Barnstaple, England/Reuter > > A motorcyclist said to have drunk away a $290,000 insurance payment in >less than 10 years was banned Wednesday from every pub in England and Wales. > > David Roberts, 29, had been awarded the cash in compensation for >losing a leg in a motorcycle accident. He spent virtually all of it on cider, a >court in Barnstaple in southwest England was told. > > Judge Malcolm Coterill banned Roberts from all bars in England and >Wales for 12 months and put on two years' probation after he started a brawl in >a pub. Is there no JUSTICE?! If I lost my leg when I was 19, and had to give up motorcycling (assuming David didn't know that it can be done one-legged,) I too would want to get swamped.... maybe even for ten years! I'll admit, I'd probably prefer homebrew to pubbrew, but still... Judge Coterill is in some serious trouble, I can tell you that. Any chance you can get to him and convince him his ruling was backward, Nick? Perhaps the lad deserved something for starting a brawl (bad form... horribly bad form,) but for getting drunk? That, I thought, was ones natural born right! And for spending his own money? My goodness, who cares what one does with one's own moolah, even if one spends it recklessly? I'm ashamed of humanity. Matt Block & Koch DoD# #007 1980 Honda CB650 ";-1;0 "From: rcomg@melomys.co.rmit.oz.AU (Mark Gregory) Subject: AVI file format? Summary: AVI file format? Keywords: AVI file format? Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: melomys.cse.rmit.edu.au Hi, would someone please email (and post) the AVI (Microsoft) file format. I wish to do some research using this format, as there are disks available with video clips. It is interesting because it interleaves sound and video. Thank you Mark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060 Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering, P.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA. -- Mark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060 Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering, P.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA. ";5;1 "From: m_klein@pavo.concordia.ca (CorelMARK!) Subject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: pavo1.concordia.ca Organization: Concordia University Lines: 26 In article <0096B0F0.C5DE05A0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes... >In article <1993Apr15.003015.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>, cvadrnlh@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes: >>Today (4/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to make >>room for Harkey? >>Also, are Delino Deshields & John Wetteland of the Expos on the DL? >>Thanks for anyone who can give me more info! >>/=== >>Ken >>Cal Poly, Pomona >> > >Wetteland is on the DL effective March 26 or something like that. > >rick Wetteland comes off the DL on April 23rd, and will be evaluated on the 24th. He is throwing well, and without pain on the side. DeShields is not on the DL. He suffered from the chicken pox and lost (this is the official total) 12 pounds. He will be back, hopefully, next week. Walker will be back this tonight or tomorrow... CorelMARK! from Montreal. ";-1;0 "From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) Subject: Re: Hilter and homosexuals Article-I.D.: optilink.15225 Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 21 In article , erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) writes: > gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: # # #Are you saying that: # # #(1) People voted for Hitler, and he became Reich Chancellor, in good # #part because he used bully boys to attack communists, # # Hitler did not become become Reich Chancellor because people voted for # him. I'm not sure if you meant to imply that or not, but I just thought # I'd bring that up. # # Eric Smith Hitler became Chancellor because people voted for his political party. That's not a huge difference in a parliamentary system. -- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. ";-1;0 "From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu Organization: not Sun Microsystems Lines: 45 In article 29201@athos.rutgers.edu, seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes: >In article johnsd2@rpi.edu writes: >>In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: >> >>> This is why the most effective >>>substance-abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples' spiritual >>>needs. >> >>You might want to provide some evidence next time you make a claim >>like this. >> >In 12-step programs (like Alcoholics Anonymous), one of the steps >involves acknowleding a ""higher power"". AA and other 12-step abuse- >recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective. [deletia- and so on] I seem to have been rather unclear. What I was asking is this: Please show me that the most effective substance-absure recovery programs involve meetinsg peoples' spiritual needs, rather than merely attempting to fill peoples' spiritual needs as percieved by the people, A.A, S.R.C. regulars, or snoopy. This will probably involve defining ""spritual needs"" (is it not that clear) and showing that such things exist and how they can be filled. Annother tack you might take is to say that ""fulfilling spiritual needs"" means ""acknowledging a ""higher power"" of some sort, then show that systems that do require this, work better than otherwise identical systems that do not. A correlation here would help you, but as you point out this might just be demonstrating swapping one crutch for annother. (however, I do feel that religion is usually a better crutch than alchohol, as it is not usually poisonous! :) ) I hope with that clarification, my question will be answerable. I actually did know about the 12 step program, its the question of what it does, rather than what it tries to do, that makes a difference to me. --- - Dan Johnson And God said ""Jeeze, this is dull""... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0 These opinions probably show what I know. ";-1;0 "From: jbuddenberg@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (JIMMY BUDDENBERG) Subject: should I get VESA controller card? Organization: Muskingum College Lines: 9 I have a 486DX 25mhz with local bus. Would I see much of an increase in speed in my drives if I got a VESA IDE controller card? I need advice! -- Jimmy Buddenberg INTERNET: jbuddenberg@vax.cns.muskingum.edu Muskingum College ";-1;0 "From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) Subject: Re: Yeah, Right Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 49 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: agar.engin.umich.edu In article <66014@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: >Benedikt Rosenau writes: > >>And what about that revelation thing, Charley? > >If you're talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well, >it's obviously a risk one takes. Ah, now here is the core question. Let me suggest a scenario. We will grant that a God exists, and uses revelation to communicate with humans. (Said revelation taking the form (paraphrased from your own words) 'This infinitely powerful deity grabs some poor schmuck, makes him take dictation, and then hides away for a few hundred years'.) Now, there exists a human who has not personally experienced a revelation. This person observes that not only do these revelations seem to contain elements that contradict rather strongly aspects of the observed world (which is all this person has ever seen), but there are many mutually contradictory claims of revelation. Now, based on this, can this person be blamed for concluding, absent a personal revelation of their own, that there is almost certainly nothing to this 'revelation' thing? >I'm not an objectivist, so I'm not particularly impressed with problems of >conceptualization. The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of >trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary >experience. One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from >the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the >perspective of what's being described, rather inexact (to be charitable). > >An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is >that the ""better"" descriptive language is not available. Absent this better language, and absent observations in support of the claims of revelation, can one be blamed for doubting the whole thing? Here is what I am driving at: I have thought a long time about this. I have come to the honest conclusion that if there is a deity, it is nothing like the ones proposed by any religion that I am familiar with. Now, if there does happen to be, say, a Christian God, will I be held accountable for such an honest mistake? Sincerely, Ray Ingles ingles@engin.umich.edu ""The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars!"" - Robert A. Heinlein ";-1;0 "From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (long) Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 215 This kind of argument cries for a comment... jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com wrote: : In article <1993Apr3.095220.24632@leland.Stanford.EDU>, galahad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Compton) writes: Jim, you originally wrote: : >>...God did not create : >>disease nor is He responsible for the maladies of newborns. : > : >>What God did create was life according to a protein code which is : >>mutable and can evolve. Without delving into a deep discussion of : >>creationism vs evolutionism, God created the original genetic code : >>perfect and without flaw. : > ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~ Do you have any evidence for this? If the code was once perfect, and has degraded ever since, we _should_ have some evidence in favour of this statement, shouldn't we? Perhaps the biggest ""imperfection"" of the code is that it is full of non-coding regions, introns, which are so called because they intervene with the coding regions (exons). An impressive amount of evidence suggests that introns are of very ancient origin; it is likely that early exons represented early protein domains. Is the number of introns decreasing or increasing? It appears that intron loss can occur, and species with common ancestry usually have quite similar exon-intron structure in their genes. On the other hand, the possibility that introns have been inserted later, presents several logical difficulties. Introns are removed by a splicing mechanism - this would have to be present, but unused, if introns are inserted. Moreover, intron insertion would have required _precise_ targeting - random insertion would not be tolerated, since sequences for intron removal (self-splicing of mRNA) are conserved. Besides, transposition of a sequence usually leaves a trace - long terminal repeats and target - site duplications, and these are not found in or near intron sequences. I seriously recommend reading textbooks on molecular biology and genetics before posting ""theological arguments"" like this. Try Watson's Molecular Biology of the Gene or Darnell, Lodish & Baltimore's Molecular Biology of the Cell for starters. : Remember, the question was posed in a theological context (Why does : God cause disease in newborns?), and my answer is likewise from a : theological perspective -- my own. It is no less valid than a purely : scientific perspective, just different. Scientific perspective is supported by the evidence, whereas theological perspectives often fail to fulfil this criterion. : I think you misread my meaning. I said God made the genetic code perfect, : but that doesn't mean it's perfect now. It has certainly evolved since. For the worse? Would you please cite a few references that support your assertion? Your assertion is less valid than the scientific perspective, unless you support it by some evidence. In fact, it has been claimed that parasites and diseases are perhaps more important than we've thought - for instance, sex might have evolved as defence against parasites. (This view is supported by computer simulations of evolution, eg Tierra.) : Perhaps. I thought it was higher energy rays like X-rays, gamma : rays, and cosmic rays that caused most of the damage. In fact, it is thermal energy that does most of the damage, although it is usually mild and easily fixed by enzymatic action. : Actually, neither of us ""knows"" what the atmosphere was like at the : time when God created life. According to my recollection, most : biologists do not claim that life began 4 billion years ago -- after : all, that would only be a half billion years or so after the earth : was created. It would still be too primitive to support life. I : seem to remember a figure more like 2.5 to 3 billion years ago for : the origination of life on earth. Anyone with a better estimate? I'd replace ""created"" with ""formed"", since there is no need to invoke any creator if the Earth can be formed without one. Most recent estimates of the age of the Earth range between 4.6 - 4.8 billion years, and earliest signs of life (not true fossils, but organic, stromatolite-like layers) date back to 3.5 billion years. This would leave more than billion years for the first cells to evolve. I'm sorry I can't give any references, this is based on the course on evolutionary biochemistry I attended here. : >>dominion, it was no great feat for Satan to genetically engineer : >>diseases, both bacterial/viral and genetic. Although the forces of : >>natural selection tend to improve the survivability of species, the : >>degeneration of the genetic code tends to more than offset this. Again, do you _want_ this be true, or do you have any evidence for this supposed ""degeneration""? I can understand Scott's reaction: : > Excuse me, but this is so far-fetched that I know you must be : > jesting. Do you know what pathogens are? Do you know what : > Point Mutations are? Do you know that EVERYTHING CAN COME : > ABOUT SPONTANEOUSLY?!!!!! : : In response to your last statement, no, and neither do you. : You may very well believe that and accept it as fact, but you : cannot *know* that. I hope you don't forget this: We have _evidence_ that suggests everything can come about spontaneously. Do you have evidence against this conclusion? In science, one does not have to _believe_ in anything. It is a healthy sign to doubt and disbelieve. But the right path to walk is to take a look at the evidence if you do so, and not to present one's own conclusions prior to this. Theology does not use this method. Therefore, I seriously doubt it could ever come to right conclusions. : >>Human DNA, being more ""complex"", tends to accumulate errors adversely : >>affecting our well-being and ability to fight off disease, while the : >>simpler DNA of bacteria and viruses tend to become more efficient in : >>causing infection and disease. It is a bad combination. Hence : >>we have newborns that suffer from genetic, viral, and bacterial : >>diseases/disorders. You are supposing a purpose, not a valid move. Bacteria and viruses do not exist to cause disease. They are just another manifests of a general principle of evolution - only replication saves replicators from degradiation. We are just an efficient method for our DNA to survive and replicate. The less efficient methods didn't make it to the present. And for the last time. Please present some evidence for your claim that human DNA is degrading through evolutionary processes. Some people have claimed that the opposite is true - we have suppressed our selection, and thus are bound to degrade. I haven't seen much evidence for either claim. : But then I ask, So? Where is this relevant to my discussion in : answering John's question of why? Why are there genetic diseases, : and why are there so many bacterial and viral diseases which require : babies to develop antibodies. Is it God's fault? (the original : question) -- I say no, it is not. Of course, nothing ""evil"" is god's fault. But your explanation does not work, it fails miserably. : You may be right. But the fact is that you don't know that : Satan is not responsible, and neither do I. : : Suppose that a powerful, evil being like Satan exists. Would it : be inconceivable that he might be responsible for many of the ills : that affect mankind? I don't think so. He could have done a much better Job. (Pun intended.) The problem is, it seems no Satan is necessary to explain any diseases, they are just as inevitable as any product of evolution. : Did I say that? Where? Seems to me like another bad inference. : Actually what you've done is to oversimplify what I said to the : point that your summary of my words takes on a new context. I : never said that people are ""meant"" (presumably by God) ""to be : punished by getting diseases"". Why I did say is that free moral : choices have attendent consequences. If mankind chooses to reject : God, as people have done since the beginning, then they should not : expect God to protect them from adverse events in an entropic : universe. I am not expecting this. If god exists, I expect him to leave us alone. I would also like to hear why do you believe your choices are indeed free. This is an interesting philosophical question, and the answer is not as clear-cut as it seems to be. What consequences would you expect from rejecting Allah? : Oh, I admit it's not perfect (yet). But I'm working on it. :) A good library or a bookstore is a good starting point. : What does this have to do with the price of tea in China, or the : question to which I provided an answer? Biology and Genetics are : fine subjects and important scientific endeavors. But they explain : *how* God created and set up life processes. They don't explain : the why behind creation, life, or its subsequent evolution. Why is there a ""why behind""? And your proposition was something that is not supported by the evidence. This is why we recommend these books. Is there any need to invoke any why behind, a prime mover? Evidence for this? If the whole universe can come into existence without any intervention, as recent cosmological theories (Hawking et al) suggest, why do people still insist on this? : Thanks Scotty, for your fine and sagely advice. But I am : not highly motivated to learn all the nitty-gritty details : of biology and genetics, although I'm sure I'd find it a : fascinating subject. For I realize that the details do : not change the Big Picture, that God created life in the : beginning with the ability to change and adapt to its : environment. I'm sorry, but they do. There is no evidence for your big picture, and no need to create anything that is capable of adaptation. It can come into existence without a Supreme Being. Try reading P.W. Atkins' Creation Revisited (Freeman, 1992). Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. ";9;1 "From: eugenehs@phakt.usc.edu (HEUGE aka Eugene Hsu) Subject: Re: pc-X Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 25 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu In article <4552@isgtec.isgtec.com> ted@isgtec.com (Ted Richards) writes: >Al DeVilbiss (al@col.hp.com) wrote: >: >: I just brought up NCD's PC-XView, Windows version, to use over a >: modem link to a Unix system at HP. Installation is easy, but you >: need a program, also from NCD, called XRemote to run on the Unix host. >: Total software cost for one seat was ~$200. > Anyone here know if NCD is doing educational pricing on these software packages for those of us strapped for cash? Thanks =eugene= s >-- >Ted Richards ted@isgtec.com [...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ted] >ISG Technologies Inc. 6509 Airport Rd., Mississauga Ont. Canada L4V 1S7 -- => Eugene Hsu (aka HEUGE) The University of Southern California <= =< eugenehs@scf.usc.edu Electrical and Biomedical Engineering >= => ""HO, HO, freaking HO... yeah yeah....who's Santa's next victim?"" <= => KROQ 106.7's The New Detective, as he goes undercover 12/15/92 >= ";-1;0 "From: brucet@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Bruce Tulloch) Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!) Nntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 47 lreiter@jade.tufts.edu (Lowell B. Reiter) writes: >My Duo 230 crashe. >I close the lid. It goesto sleeplikenormal. Then I open it press a key. >The screen showsthis wied pattern. You can berely make outthe menubar on top., although there are no words on the bar. Anditfrezzes. Why? >---Lowell >-- >*********************************************************************** >* Lowell Reiter ""I need a Vacation... Now!!! "" * >* Tufts University * >* Internet Account: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu * >*********************************************************************** I have the same problem and was about to post this.... Hello duo owners (and Apple technical people :-) I have a new duo 230 which appears to have a problem waking up from sleep when running on battery power. When woken (usually for the second time) after sleeping, the wake fails and the screen appears with a corrupted image of broken horizontal lines and control can only be recovered with control-command-poweron or the reset key at the back of the machine. The problem occurs even when the system is stock standard (no extensions, no virtual memory, a fully charged new battery, system 7.1 etc). I have not had the problem when the machine is plugged in to AC. I've checked that the battery is properly seated (it appears to be fine). What's going on here ? Anyone else had this problem ? Is it software or hardware ? If you have a duo 230 and a bit of time, try repeatedly sleeping and waking the machine on battery power and let me know if you see the same behaviour (and let Apple know too !). Many thanks to anyone who can clear this one up for me. Bruce -- bruce tulloch sydney australia - brucet@extro.ucc.su.oz.au ***complex problems have straight forward, easy to understand wrong answers*** ";-1;0 "From: am229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Terry S. Collins) Subject: SMARTCAM VERSION 7 FOR SALE AND 486 33DX Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu SMARTCAM VERSION 7 FOR SALE. Purchased in August 1992. Latest version! Also willing to sell 486 33dx. 124mg hard drive. 17"" multi scan monitor. paid $11,000 for software and $2800 for computer. Also includes 1 yr maintanence contract that can be updated every year for apx. $950 per year. Make offer. Call 1 800 940-7874 or 216-941-7400 ask for Terry ";8;1 "From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) Subject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept. Lines: 29 johne@vcd.hp.com (John Eaton) writes: >Nigel Allen (ndallen@r-node.hub.org) wrote: >: Here is a press release from the California Department of Insurance. >: >: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to >: Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies >---------------- >I may be a little dense but I would have thought that protecting consumers >from scam insurance companies would be the prime objective of something >called the Cal insurance Commission. If they aren't accomplishing that now >then why do we need them? Very simple. An 'Insurance Commissioner' is a bureaucrat - a regulator. It is his/her duties to make rules to enforce laws. He/she cannot make laws. If there is no law that covers a specific subject, say scam insurance companies, a regulator cannot create one. So they have to go to a proper legislative body to get such a law enacted. For the California Insurance Commissioner, there are two possible legislative bodies: the California State Legislature and the U.S. Congress. We all know how little the California State Legislature accomplishes, esp. along the lines of insurance reform legislation (negative movement). So Garamendi wants the feds to do it, because: (a) he has a better chance of getting a federal law through, and (b) since many of the scam companies work across state lines/national borders, it is better to have a law that reach out into other jurisdictions. >John Eaton >!hp-vcd!johne ";-1;0 "From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm Keywords: XTerm Nntp-Posting-Host: eos6c02.ericsson.se Reply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB Lines: 21 In article <1r3fe2INN10d@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof) writes: [...] |> I have an |> |> alias precmd echo -n '^[]2\;${HOST}:$cwd^G' |> |> in my ~/.tcshrc. This is a special alias for tvtwm. I presume that you meant to say tcsh here ------^^^^^ -- Michael Salmon #include #include #include Ericsson Telecom AB Stockholm ";12;1 "From: bdunn@cco.caltech.edu (Brendan Dunn) Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu In article craigs@srgenprp.sr.hp.com (Craig Stelter) writes: >Gaetti, Gary .616 .638 .655 .632 ---- 0.637 > >Apologies if I don't know what I'm talking about :-), but as a Twins fan, >I like to think they have good players in any park. Not sure if I remember >completely or not, but I think Gaetti played with the Twins in '87 for the >world series, and again in '88 (note that's his lowest of the 4). I believe >the next 3 (or at least the last two) were played with the Angels. Lots >of factors make a player excell... I hate it when so many use the dome. >It may not be ideal, but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football >even when it's snowing and raining. > >-Craig > >I'm sure the company for which I work does not have all the same opinions >that I do... The event that had the most impact on Gaetti's career was his leg injury in 1988. His performance dropped radically from 1988 to 1989. He was still with the Twins in 1989 and 1990, but if you look at his stats (both offensive and defensive), he never has come back to his pre-injury level. Brendan ";-1;0 "From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) Subject: Re: Tickets etc.. Article-I.D.: hydra.91513 Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 39 Let's look at the effects of inflation on 1930's superstars' salaries. I read once that the Babe made $80,000 one year and that was about as good as it got for him. Let's assume he made that in 1928 (I'm not sure of the figures, but I know I'm in the ballpark--pun intended). :-) Today, assuming a 4% yearly inflation rate, which is an understatement if not accurate, his measly $80,000 salary would be worth. FV = $80,000 x (1+4%)^(1993-1928) = $80,000 x (1.04)^65 = just over $1,000,000. Assuming inflation is average of around 5%. FV = $80,000 x (1+5%)^65 = almost 2,000,000. (I didn't crunch these numbers beforehand). These numbers might lead one to believe that today's players are slightly overpaid. The Babe appears to have made then what today's average to above average players make now. Perfectly accurate salary, year of salary, and average inflation rate would make this analysis more accurate, but I don`t think I'm off by much. Chop Chop Michael Mule' -- Michael Andre Mule Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh) Subject: 45 rpm Singles for Sale (Complete List) Keywords: Beatles Rolling Stones Pink Floyd Starr Lennon Talking Heads Ramons Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 46 I have the following 45 rpm singles for sale. Most are collectable 7-inch records with picture sleeves. Price does not include postage which is $1.21 for the first record, $1.69 for two, etc. Beach Boys|Barbara Ann (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beach Boys|Califonia Girls (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$15|45 Beach Boys|Fun, Fun, Fun (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beach Boys|Little Girl I Once Knew (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beach Boys|Please Let Me Wonder (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beach Boys|Rock n Roll to the Rescue (Capitol Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$15|45 Beach Boys|When I Grow Up to Be a Man (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Beatles|Im Happy Just to Dance with You (Capitol Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Doctor & the Medics|Burn (I.R.S. Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 General Public|Too Much or Nothing (I.R.S. Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Go Gos|Our Lips are Sealed (I.R.S. Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Lennon, John|Instant Karma! (We All Shine On) (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$15|$45 Lennon, John|Mind Games (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$10|$45 Madonna|Open Your Heart (Sire Promo)|$5|45 McCartney, Paul|Coming Up (Columbia. Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 McCartney, Paul|Mull of Kintyre (Capitol. Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 McCartney, Paul|Stranglehold (Capitol Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 McCartney, Paul|Wonderful Christmastime (Columbia. Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Mercury, Freddie|I Was Born to Love You (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Pink Floyd|Learning to Fly (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Queen|Kind of Magic (Capitol Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Ramones|Sheena is a Punk Rocker (Sire Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Rolling Stones|19th Nervous Brakdown (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Rolling Stones|Jumpin Jack Flash (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Rolling Stones|Mothers Little Helper (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Rolling Stones|Paint It, Black (London Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Starr, Ringo|Photograph (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$15|$45 Starr, Ringo|Youre Sixteen (Apple Picture Sleeve)|$15|$45 Talking Heads|Road to Nowhere (Sire Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5|45 Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$10|45 Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columiba Promo)|$5 Waters, Roger|Who Needs Information (Columiba Promo)|%10|45 If you are interested, please contact: Michael McHugh mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu ";8;1 "From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 7 In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu>, jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes: |> Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull |> info available on this newsgroup. Isn't this redundent? ";-1;0 "From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) Subject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King Distribution: usa Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 19 thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes: >In article kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: >> How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on >>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that > ^^^^^ >>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? >I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important. I'm curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several different news groups, including something along the lines of alt.discrimination Look Rodney King is black and large. I have several large black male friends,and they are referred to as being large black men ( to their faces, and by themselves ). You know, Ted, I have a large number of adjectives for you, but I will spare you most of them because I try not to get into personal flame wars. Let me just say that I think your action of cross posting this was total BS, and you're trying to start some crap. Hopefully, others will see through your trite little game and not play along. ";-1;0 "From: paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater) Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick Organization: Home Office in Vienna, Austria X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 28 kosinski@us.oracle.com (Kevin Osinski) writes: > I recall reading in Michael (?) Rutherford's novel ""Sarum"" a scene in > which the son of a Roman nobleman living in Britain takes part in a > secret ceremony involving a bull. He stands naked in a pit covered > with some sort of scaffolding while assistants coax a bull to stand on > the scaffolding. They then fatally stab the bull, which douses the > worshipper in the pit with blood. This is supposedly some sort of > rite of passage for members of the bull cult. I wonder if this is > related to the Mithras cult? Yes, this is certainly one of the traditional ideas about the Mithraic cult (although not the only one.) It had many elements that seem to have been borrowed by Catholicism (e.g. the Mass, communion, the sharing of a sacred meal, consecration of bread and wine, etc.) For quite an amusing novel that uses this same idea, check out: The Covenant of the Flame by David Morrell. It has some quite interesting occult bits, and lots of killing. I won't spoil it by revealing the ending, but I will say that it is relevant to Mithraism. -- paul@actrix.co.at (Paul Gillingwater) Home Office in Vienna, Austria ** If you read news with rn or trn, ask me about EEP! the .newsrc editor! ";-1;0 "From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis) Subject: Re: **Sorry folks** (read this) Originator: rita@eff.org Nntp-Posting-Host: eff.org Organization: Enormes_Rebajas_Online Distribution: na Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr22.014646.28445@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes: >I just found out from my source that this article was a joke. Heh heh.. >It seemed pretty damn convincing to me from the start -- I just didn't >notice the smiley at the end of the article, and there were a few other >hints which I should of caught. People took this article seriously? I mean, I know it's the Net and all, but the prankster didn't even have Clinton's sound-bites right. -- Rita Rouvalis rita@village.com ";-1;0 "From: des@helix.nih.gov (David E. Scheim) Subject: Re: Burzynski's ""Antineoplastons"" Organization: NIH Lines: 58 In article jschwimmer@wccnet.wcc.wesleyan.edu (Josh Schwimmer) writes: >I've recently listened to a tape by Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, in which he >claims to have discovered a series naturally occuring peptides with anti- >cancer properties that he names antineoplastons. Burzynski says that his >work has met with hostility in the United States, despite the favorable >responses of his subjects during clinical trials. >What is the generally accepted opinion of Dr. Burzynski's research? He >paints himself as a lone researcher with a new breakthrough battling an >intolerant medical establishment, but I have no basis from which to judge >his claims. Two weeks ago, however, I read that the NIH's Department of >Alternative Medicine has decided to focus their attention on Burzynski's >work. Their budget is so small that I imagine they wouldn't investigate a >treatment that didn't seem promising. >Any opinions on Burzynski's antineoplastons or information about the current >status of his research would be appreciated. >-- >Joshua Schwimmer >jschwimmer@eagle.wesleyan.edu There's been extensive discussion on the CompuServe Cancer Forum about Dr. Burzynski's treatment as a result of the decision of a forum member's father to undertake his treatment for brain glioblastoma. This disease is universally and usually rapidly fatal. After diagnosis in June 1992, the tumor was growing rapidly despite radiation and chemotherapy. The forum member checked extensively on Dr. Burzynki's track record for this disease. He spoke to a few patients in complete remission for a few years from glioblastoma following this treatment and to an NCI oncologist who had audited other such case histories and found them valid and impressive. After the forum member's father began Dr. Burzynski's treatment in September, all subsequent scans performed under the auspices of his oncologist in Chicago have shown no tumor growth with possible signs of shrinkage or necrosis. The patient's oncologist, although telling him he would probably not live past December 1992, was vehemently opposed to his trying Dr. Burzynski's treatment. Since the tumor stopped its rapid growth under Dr. Burzynski's treatment, she's since changed her attitude toward continuing these treatments, saying ""if it ain't broke, don't fix it."" Dr. Burzynski is an M.D., Ph.D. with a research background who found a protein that is at very low serum levels in cancer patients, synthesized it, and administers it to patients with certain cancer types. There is little understanding of the actual mechanism of activity. /*********************************************************************/ /* --- David E. Scheim --- */ /* BITNET: none */ /* INTERNET: desl@helix.nih.gov PHONE: 301 496-2194 */ /* CompuServe: 73750,3305 FAX: 301 402-1065 */ /* */ /* DISCLAIMER: These comments are offered to share knowledge based */ /* upon my personal views. They do not represent the positions */ /* of my employer. */ /*********************************************************************/ ";-1;0 "From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Darrrrrrrrryl Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 64 The media is beating the incident at Dodger Stadium on Wednesday to death, but I haven't seen anything in rsb yet. Gerald Perry of the Cardinals pinch hit in the eighth inning with two on and his club down by a run. He stroked a line drive into the right field corner. The ball cleared the three-foot high fence and went into the crowd. Darryl, racing over from right center, got to the spot in time to reach his glove up over the short fence, but he missed the ball. A fan sitting in the front row, wearing a mitt, reached up and caught the ball. Home run. Now I've seen the replay several times and I have concluded that Darryl missed the ball, and that the fan's glove was essentially behind Darryl's. Several Dodger fans with seats in the immediate vicinity have claimed that the fan unquestionably interfered with Strawberry. What cannot be disputed, however, is that the fan who caught the ball never took his eye off it; he was oblivious to where the fielder was playing. He was also quite exuberant as soon as he realized he had made the catch. That exuberance disappeared immediately, however, when Strawberry went into a tirade at the man. All reports indicate he used a lot of profanity and accused the man of interference, and therefore of costing the Dodgers a game. Shortly afterwards other fans hurled food and beverages toward the man who made the catch. Dodger Stadium officials started to remove him from the park, but then relented and just relocated him to another area. In an interview after the game, Lasorda blamed the fan for the loss. Strawberry also went into a tirade about how the fans are stupid and they don't care about winning. L.A. Times columnists similarly blasted the man who made the catch. Before each Dodger game the public address announcer makes a speech wherein he says that fans are welcome to the souvenirs of balls that are hit into the stands as long as they do not interfere with any that are in the field of play. Was the fan wrong? Should he have been more aware of the situation and acted to avoid any possibility of interference? Or was he human and just reacting? By the way, he is a season ticket holder and on his request the Dodgers have relocated his seats to another area of the Stadium where future interference is impossible. Others have questioned why Darryl should be so concerned with what the fan did when he has a grand total of 1 rbi through the first nine games. I question what he was doing in right center with a left-handed pull hitter up and the game on the line. Had he been closer to the play, he certainly would have had a much better chance of catching the ball. But I guess the big debate continues as to what are the responsibilities of the fan. -- The Beastmaster -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com ";-1;0 "From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Russian Operation of US Space Missions. Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 10 I know people hate it when someone says somethings like ""there was an article about that somewhere a while ago"" but I'm going to say it anyway. I read an article on this subject, almost certainly in Space News, and something like six months ago. If anyone is really interested in the subject I can probably hunt it down given enough motivation. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Tout ce qu'un homme est capable d'imaginer, d'autres hommes seront capable de le realiser"" -Jules Verne ";-1;0 "From: rmohns@vax.clarku.edu Subject: RE: Can I Change """"Licensed To"""" Data in Windows 3.1? Organization: Clark University Lines: 15 This is in relation to a question concerning changing the registered to: information of MS-Windows... In a previous article, 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote: > > ahh, yes, this is a fun topic. No, once the name is incribed on the >disk, that is it, it is encoded. Not even a HEX editor will find it. You can >write over the ""Licensed to:"", but you can't change the name underneth it. I I can find it with a HEX editor, although I have not tried to overwrite it. Are you sure it can't be? You may be mistaken about this. (???) Rob rmohns@vax.clarku.edu ";6;1 "From: rog@cdc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim) Subject: Re: sex problem. Article-I.D.: news.C52E58.L8G Organization: HP California Design Center, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: hammer.cdc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] larry silverberg (ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet) wrote: > Hello out there, > She suggested we go to a sex counselor, but I really don't want to (just yet). Interesting. Does she know you have placed this info request on the net for the world to see? If not, how do you think she would react if she found out? Why would you accept the advice of unknown entities rather than a counselor? > Any suggestions would be appreciated. See the counselor. Well, you asked. ";-1;0 "From: ralph.buttigieg@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Ralph Buttigieg) Subject: Commercial point of view Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au Lines: 29 Original to: szabo@techbook.com G'day szabo@techbook.com 29 Mar 93 07:28, szabo@techbook.com wrote to All: sc> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo), via Kralizec 3:713/602 sc> Here are some longer-term markets to consider: Here are some more: * Terrestrial illumination from orbiting mirrors. * World enviroment and disaster monitering system. (the Japanese have already developed a plan for this, called WEDOS) Although this may be more of a ""public good"". * Space tourism. * Energy relay satellites ta Ralph --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: VULCAN'S WORLD - Sydney Australia (02) 635-6797 3:713/6 (3:713/635) ";-1;0 "From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) Subject: Roger Maynard Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 15 Does anyone recieve annoying email from Roger Maynard whenever they post an article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group?? These emails are filled with insults- more than are usual in Roger's posts and have little if any hockey info. I have recieved two in the last 2 days. I am just wondering if I am special or Roger trys to bully everyone who disagrees with him. Gregmeister Obligatory hockey comment: It is highly unlikely that the Maple Leafs will even get out of their division. ";13;1 "From: Daniel.J.Stern@dartmouth.edu (Daniel J. Stern) Subject: Seeking info on wear on monitors X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b16@dartmouth.edu Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 12 We are Dartmouth engineering students.We are looking for documented data regarding the wear associated with turning on an off a monitor and how it relates to power consumption. Interested in a comparison between the wear on a monitor which is left on continuously and one which is turned off when not in use. Please personalize E-mail to: ds@Dartmouth.edu Thank you, Dan Stern Oliver Weir ";-1;0 "From: mty015@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Colin Paterson) Subject: Sound Blaster MIDI Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk Organization: The society for the terminally hard of thinking Lines: 30 Hi, I'm currently in the process of writing a number of PD programs for the sound blaster. The first of which is a CMF voice editor which is hopefully going to be available soon (as soon as I can get it to an FTP site). Anyway the next stage is to use the midi port to enter music and play the FM synth remotely. The problem is that I have little or no info on the SB midi port. I have tried using the Sound blaster freedom project routines, however this just results in the port locking after a couple of accesses and loss the of note velocity data byte. I am using Turbo C and would be grateful for any info or source fragments may help. When I was in Berlin this summer I saw a book which seemed to have all this information, but my German is poor to say the least, if anyone has this book could they please mail me. My second request for help concerns standard file formats (how can a file format be standard if you keep it secret ?) I need to know the file format for instrument bank files *.BNK and Roland music files *.ROL. Finally does anyone have a source for displaying PCX or GIF files to EGA or VGA monitors. Please Help, You know it makes sense. Colin ";-1;0 "From: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) Subject: Mitsumi CD ROM drivers fix for QEMM Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 14 Reply-To: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Just to let all you faithful Mitsumi CD Rom owners.... Ever notice QEMM can't load you CD Rom driver high? Ain't it a bitch? Well, you can call up Quarterdeck's BBS and get a hold of the new drivers that CAN be loaded high. Sorry , I don't have their # on me. :-( I tested them out and the seem to work great! -- _______ ________ ________ ""Small nose, loose girls, no nipples, (.|.) / ___/ / _____/ / __ / Iczer curls!"" -=- Gerard Pinzone ).( / ___/ / /____ / __ / gpinzone@tasha.poly.edu ( v ) /______/ /_______/ /__/ /__/ Join the ECA Wehrmacht! Kill CM! \|/ ";-1;0 "From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 31 In article dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes: >Ahem. See the War on Drugs, as sponsored by the Bush and Reagan >administrations. The precedent had well been set for federal agencies to >step on more than a few of what people consider ""rights."" I won't make >excuses for anyone, but most of the damage had been done before Clinton >even entered the race in '92. Not to mention last year's Weaver affair. Anyway, here's how I see the Waco affair; I'd be interested in other peoples' interpretations... 1. Koresh and his people were basically minding their own business. 2. Some weapons violations may have been committed and I wouldn't have disapproved of prosecuting him for those violations. However, I think the BATF was criminal for starting negotiations with a military style assault and for firing into a house where there were children and other noncombatants. 3. I don't see they couldn't just leave a token guard on the place and wait the BDs out; I don't approve of the tear gas approach and, if it caused the fire to be started, I think the FBI agent responsible should spend 10-20 years in jail. 4. However, if Koresh's response to the tear gas was to kill everyone there, I hold him largely responsible for their deaths. don ";-1;0 "From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 72 This reminds me of the last Graham Kerr cooking show I saw. Today he smoked meat on the stovetop in a big pot! He used a strange technique I'd never seen before. He took a big pot with lid, and placed a tray in it made from aluminum foil. The tray was about the size and shape of a typical coffee-table ash tray, made by crumpling a sheet of foil around the edges. In the tray, he placed a couple spoonfuls of brown sugar, a similar quantity of brown rice (he said any rice will do), the contents of two teabags of Earl Grey tea, and a few cloves. On top of this was placed an ordinary aluminum basket-type steamer, with two chicken breasts in it. The lid was put on, and the whole assembly went on the stovetop at high heat for 10 or 12 minutes. Later, he removed what looked like smoked chicken breasts. What surprises and concerns me are: 1) No wood chips. Where does the smoke flavor come from? 2) About 5 or 10 years ago, I remember hearing that carmel color (obtained by caramelizing sugar -- a common coloring and flavoring agent) had been found to be carcinogenic. I believe they injected it under the skin of rats, or something. If the results were conclusive, caramel color would not be legal in the U.S., yet it is still being used. Was the initial research result found to be incorrect, or what? 3) About 5 or 10 years ago, I remember Earl Grey tea being implicated as carcinogenic, because it contains oil of bergamot (an extract from the skin of a type of citrus fruit). Does anyone know whatever happened with that story? If it were carcinogenic, Earl Grey tea could not have it as an additive, yet it apparently continues to do so. WRT natural wood smoke (I've smoking a duck right now, as it happens), I've noticed that a heavily-smoked food item will have an unpleasant tangy taste when eaten directly out of the smoker if the smoke has only recently stopped flowing. I find the best taste to be had by using dry wood chips, getting lots of smoke right up at the beginning of the cooking process, then slowly barbequing for hours and hours without adding additional wood chips. My theory is that the unpleasant tangy molecules are low-molecular weight stuff, like terpenes, and that the smoky flavor molecules are some sort of larger molecule more similar to tar. The long barbeque time after the initial intensive smoke drives off the low-molecular weight stuff, just leaving the flavor behind. Does anyone know if my theory is correct? I also remember hearing that the combustion products of fat dripping on the charcoal and burning are carcinogenic. For that reason, and because it covers the product with soot and some unpleasant tanginess, I only grill non-drippy meats like prawns directly over hot coals. I do stuff like this duck by indirect heat. I have a long rectangular Weber, and I put the coals at one end and the meat at the other end. The fat drops directly on the floor below the meat, and next time I use the barbeque I make the fire in that end to burn off the fat and help ignite the coals. And yet another reason I've heard not to smoke or barbeque meat is that smoked cured meat, like pork sausage and bacon, contains nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic. I'm pretty sure this claim actually has some standing, don't know about the others. An amusing incident I recall was the Duncan Hines scandal, when it was discovered that the people who make Duncan Hines cake mix were putting a lot of ethylene dibromide (EDB) into the cake mix to suppress weevils. This is a fumigant which is known to be carcinogenic. The guy who represented the company in the press conference defended himself by saying that the risk from eating Duncan Hines products every day for a year would be equal to the cancer risk from eating two charcoal- broiled steaks. What a great analogy! When I first heard that, my immediate reaction was we should make that a standard unit! One charcoal broiled steak would be equivalent to 0.5 Duncans! ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Albert Sabin From: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) Reply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept. Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie Lines: 112 In article <1993Apr15.231515.19982@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: >In article , rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) writes: >|> In article <1993Apr10.213547.17644@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes: >|> >|> [earlier dialogue deleted] >|> >|> >|> Perhaps you should read it and stop advancing the Bible as evidence relating >|> >|> to questions of science. >|> >|> [it = _Did Jesus exist?_ by G. A. Wells] >|> >|> > There is a great fallacy in your statement. The question of origins is >|> > based on more than science alone. >|> >|> Nope, no fallacy. Yep, science is best in determining how; religions handle >|> why and who. > > The problem is that most scientists exclude the possibility of the > supernatural in the question of origins. Is this is a fair premise? Not entirely. Its not a premise, its a conclusion. Second, that scientists (for the most part) exlude the possibility is not a problem, its a necessity. Scientists are empircists, not theologians. > I utterly reject the hypothesis that science is the highest form of > truth. So do scientists, and long before you did. Clearly you have a deep and fundamental misunderstanding of science. >|> >|> > If you met a man who could walk on >|> > water, raise people from the dead, claimed to be the Son of God, and >|> > then referred to the inviolability of the scriptures, this would affect >|> > your belief in the origin of man. (I can expand on this.) >|> >|> Nope, wouldn't affect my knowledge (not belief) of origins of anatomically >|> modern humans. If that man could show me something better, I'd change, even if >|> it was the biblical story in exact detail. But then I would ask, ""Why in the >|> world did your father endow us with intellect and reason, and then proceed to >|> fool us. I mean, the bible says nothing about the human-like creatures that we >|> know exist. > > Some of these so-called human-like creatures were apes. Some were > humans. Some were fancifully reconstructed from fragments. Absolutely and utterly false (except for some were AMHs). Lucy (Australopithecus afarensis, ca. 3 to 3.25 mya) is 40% complete, and about 80% taking into consideration bilateral symmetry. Lucy walked upright and bipedally, just like humans, and the two share a remarkably similar dental pattern. Her cranial morphology is unlike humans or modern apes. There are hundreds of other specimens of this and other species, of which only some are *partially* reconstructed. They exist Bill. You can touch them, feel them, hold them. But forget hominids. The earth, the universe, the cultural record all look and test out as ancient indeed. They are not reconstructions. Has God has tricked us here too? It won't go away, Bill. > >|> >|> I doubt any of us will meet a man like this. But, Bill, if your version of all >|> this is absolutely correct, I'm still no worried about my salvation. I'll >|> probaby make it (I don't steal, murder, covet, etc, and I like to help other >|> people). All I did was use the reason and intellect your god provided. >|> He or she - benevolent and loving - will understand my dilemma, don't you >|> think? > Good deeds do not justify a person in God's sight. > An atonement (Jesus) is needed to atone for sin. So *you* and other fundamentalists say. What about the billions who don't say so? Beware of people who say they have the truth, Bill, and reconsider each time you think you do. >|> >|> > Science and >|> > the Bible are not in contradiction. God can supercede the scientific >|> > ""laws"" as man understands them. Creation is a good example. God has the >|> > power to create something out of nothing, order out of chaos. >|> >|> Haven't been on t.o. long, but I have a feeling, Bill, that the veterans will >|> agree with you here. No contradiciton, and god *can* do anything at will. So, >|> what's the beef? (or more properly, ""where's"") > > My point: God is the creator. Look's like we agree. That was not your point, Bill. Your point above was God *has* the power .... Scientists generally agree with that. That's a far cry from saying God did. Please attempt to understand your own posts. >|> >|> > If the title of the book you mentioned has anything to do with the >|> > substance of the book, it must be a real laugher. Of course Jesus existed, >|> > and there are volumes of evidence to back it up. I can give many if you >|> > are interested. >|> >|> Its not a laugher, Bill. Its a scholarly book that many happen to disagree >|> with. I am definitely (and seriously) interested in confirmation. I know of >|> the bible, inferences therefrom (e.g., prophecies), apocrypha, the Koran and >|> others. What I am interested is independent evidence. Do you have any? I >|> know of Josephus, but this is almost certainly an insertion. Also I know of a >|> few Roman documents (e.g., Pliny), but these deal only with early Christians. >|> Do you have any independent evidence? I am most interested. Please Email or >|> post. Thanks, and best regards. > > I'll send you some info via e-mail. > Regards, Bill. I have your info, and I have replied - several days ago. Hope you have it. Somehow your post above appeared at my server only today. Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota ";19;1 "From: se08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Seth Adam Eliot) Subject: reference needed.... Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 22 Does anybody have any solid data on how many legally owned versus illegally owned firearms are used in crime. I know the number of legally owned guns used in crime is small, but I would like a number, and a reference if possible. Data should be e-mailed to me. Open discussion should be directed to talk.politics.guns -Seth __________________________________________________________________________ [unlike cats] dogs NEVER scratch you when you wash them. They just become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong. -Dave Barry Seth Eliot Dept of Material Science and Engineering Carnegie Mellon Univerity, Pittsburgh, PA ARPA :eliot+@cmu.edu |------------------------------------------ or se08+@andrew.cmu.edu | Bitnet: se08%andrew@cmccvb | ------------------------------| ";-1;0 "From: KSTE@vm.cc.purdue.edu (Kerry Stephenson) Subject: Request for research subjects Organization: Purdue University Lines: 14 Please excuse the interruption. I am seeking pro-life activists to fill out a 13-page questionnaire on attitutes, opinions, and activities. If you would be willing to participate in this research, please email me privately at KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET. All replies and questionnaires will be made anonymous prior to printout and will be kept confidential. Thank you very much for your help. --Kerry at Purdue [Note that I don't normally accept postings on abortion. So this isn't an invitation to a discussion in this group. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 29 In article <1qmnga$s9q@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes: >In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says: >>I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin >>desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd >>cylinder would go? A 12 second 1/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all. > >Sorry, I should have been more specific. The 750 SS ran the quater in >12.10 @ 108.17. The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is >a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @ >103. Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105. > >BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out >run that. It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old >KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on. Technology stands still for >no-one... Not too hard to remember, I bought a GS1000 new in '78. :-) It was 3rd place in the '78 speed wars (behind the CBX & XS Eleven) with a 11.8 @ 113 1/4 mile, and 75 horses. That wouldn't even make a good 600 these days. Then again, I paid $2800 for it, so technology isn't the only thing that's changed. Of course I'd still rather ride the old GS across three states than any of the 600's. I guess it's an indication of how much things have changed that a 12 second 400 didn't seem too far out of line. -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com ";-1;0 "From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS. ( was :Israel: misisipi to ganges) Originator: hasan@lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines Lines: 26 In article <4805@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: |> |> Hassan and some other seemed not to be a ware that Jews celebrating on |> these days Thje Passover holliday the holidy of going a way from the |> Nile. |> So if one let his imagination freely work it seemed beter to write |> that the Zionist drean is ""from the misisipi to the Nile "". the question is by going East or West from the misisipi. on either choice you would loose Palestine or Broklyn, N.Y. I thought you're gonna say fromn misisipi back to the misisipi ! |> By the way : |> |> What are the borders the Islamic world dreams about ?? |> |> Islamic readers, I am waiting to your honest answer. Let's say : "" let's establish the islamic state first"" or ""let's free our occupied lands first"". And then we can dream about expansion, Mr. Gideon hasan ";-1;0 "From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting Lines: 10 It's truly unfortunate that we don't have the Japanese tradition of Hari-Kari for public officials to salvage some tatters of honor after they commit offenses against humanity like were perpetrated in Waco, Texas today. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. ";-1;0 "From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) Subject: Re: Maxtor 2190 info needed (was Re: UNIX PC Software for sale) Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 25 In article colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen) writes: | Does anyone know what the jumpers should be set to on the Maxtor 2190?? | I have a 2190 that came off of a VS2000 that I would like to use on a PC. From the Maxtor Product Specification and OEM Manual, Doc. 1011002 Rev. F, page 35: J2, (20) J1 (34) POWER |xxxxxxxxxx| |XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX| | UUUU | +-----+ +--------+ +-------+ | | 4 C 3 2 C 1 | | [ O O O O O O ] | The only option you ""should"" jumper is the drive select, shown as ""4C32C1"" above. There is also a drive power-up option jumper (elsewhere on the drive's board) but the odds of that having been unset are slim. Since the 3B1 ""normally"" has only one HD, you would jumper betwwwn ""C1"" to select the first (possible) drive address; if the 2190 is your second drive on the 3B1, then jumper between ""2C"". Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com, thad@netcom.com ] ";8;1 "From: maynard@convex.com (Mark Maynard) Subject: Re: Opel owners? Nntp-Posting-Host: trojan.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA Distribution: rec.autos X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 22 In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: >gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: > >>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? >>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, >>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. >>gibbonsa@sfu.ca > > This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? > Chintan Amin Sounds more like an Opel GT. Neat cars, fun to drive. Sold through Buick from 196? through 1973 (if I remember correctly). I believe it was in '72 that there were some engine mods made such that parts were not interchangeable with the older models. Parts are thus much harder to come by for the later models. Parts in general are not too difficult to find. At one time JC Whitney carried some stuff including a brand new (not remfg) long block. Either a GT or a Kharman Ghia (hmm that spelling looks hosed) will be my next project. Mark ";-1;0 "From: wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta) Subject: Joystick suggestions? Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe Organization: Portal Communications Company X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 12 I'm planning on buying a joystick (first time since I sold my Amiga five years ago :) for a PC. I have no idea what kind of stick I should buy. Many people have recommended variety of Gravis'es models. Are they any good/the best? -- Willy -- * Ville V. Walveranta Tel./Fax....: (510) 420-0729 **** ** 96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5 From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729 *** *** Oakland, CA 94611-4838 (FAXes automatically recognized) ** **** USA Email.......: wil@shell.portal.com * ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Need Info on RSD Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 13 In article <1993Mar27.004627.21258@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM> lrd@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM writes: >I just started working for a rehabilitation hospital and have seen RSD >come up as a diagnosis several times. What exactly is RSD and what is >the nature of it? If there is a FAQ on this subject, I'd really >appreciate it if someone would mail it to me. While any and all Reflex sympathetic dystrophy. I'm sure there's an FAQ, as I have made at least 10 answers to questions on it in the last year or so. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Marc Goldman) Subject: [SNES] [Genesis] Games for sale or trade. Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University. Lines: 24 I have the following Genesis carts for sale or trade: Alien 3 Global gladiators Crue ball I have the following SNES carts for sale or trade: Jimmy connors tennis Super play action football Cross system trades are fine. Cheers Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ** ** * ****** *** * | On the net, ** * ** *** ** ** * * | no-one can hear you scream! ** * ** *** **** ** * * |------------------------------------ ** * ** *** ** ** * * | email marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk ** * ****** * ****** ** ** | marc@computing.lancaster.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) Subject: Re: NHL team in Milwaukee Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey Subject: Re: NHL team in Milwaukee Summary: Expires: Sender: Distribution: Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS Keywords: In article <1993Apr16.131843.24012@walter.cray.com> cbetz@radioman.cray.com (Charles Betz {x66442 CF/ENG}) writes: > >Bradley Center in Milwaukee is home to the Milwaukee Admirals minor leauge >hockey team. The owner of the Admirals (sorry, I can't remember his name) >either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the >Bradley Center. Lloyd Pettit married into Allen-Bradley Corp. (ab.com) family and owns the Admirals. He donated the Bradley Center and the new Pettit National Ice Center. >Supposedly he was approached by the NHL about an expansion franchise, but >turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of $50 million was too >high. This is not the way I have heard it. See, Lloyd (as he is affectionately referred to by Milwaukeeans and Bob Uecker) bought the Bradley Center *TO* get the NHL to come here. >Like I said, I don't know whether this story is true or just a rumor, but if >it's true, don't look for an NHL team in Milwaukee anytime soon. The Admirals >aren't going to be forced out of the building and you won't see an NHL club >and a minor league club in the same building, especially since the NBA's >Milwaukee Bucks play there as well. Yeah, the Bucks, the Milwaukee Wave (soccer), the Admirals, the Marquette Warriors, concerts and a bunch of other things... -- Jason Hanson | 915 W. Wisconsin Ave #1010 | (414) 288-2179 Marquette University | Milwaukee, WI 53233-2373 | Ham Radio: N9LEA/AE -- jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu ==+== n9lea@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na -- ";-1;0 "From: c23tvr@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Thomas Redmond) Subject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record? Originator: c23tvr@koptsy17 Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr21.053516.28846@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: > In article <1993Apr20.203219.7724@pencom.com> stecz@pencom.com writes: > >In article <1993Apr19.235711.7285@cactus.org> boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) > >writes: > >> > >> > >> My 90 Integra was hit hard in the 3/25 hailstorm in Austin, TX. > >> The insurance company cut me a check for $6600 ($100 deductible) > >> last week. Is this a record? Anybody else had settlements from > >> the same hailstorm yet? > >> > >> Craig > > > > > >Rumor has it that a guy at Dell Computer had his Miata totalled, so that would > >be about $10k. > > I guess it either had the top down, or the hail ripped through the top, as > you could not do $10k worth of hail damage to a Miata body. > > Craig > > > > > >-- > >-- > > John Steczkowski stecz@pencom.com > > The Constitution grants you the right to life, liberty, and the > > *pursuit* of happiness. It does not attempt to guarantee that > > everyone *will* be happy. > > There was a Volvo owner that had $3000 dollars worth of improvements to the looks of the car by hail :). ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Noel B. Lorenzana Subject: More comics for sale! Lines: 48 Miscellaneous comics for sale. I really would like to get rid of these for lack of space. Buyer pays shipping, and all offers considered. OH, and the first purchase over $20 in any of my posts gets a free Maxx #1/2 coupon, or a trashed copy of Amazing spidey #300. Here goes... Deathlok #1 $3.00 2-17 $1.75 each Annual #1 2.50 Special #1 2.00 Sleepwalker 1,2,6,8,9,13 7.00 (set) or 1.25 each Next Men #1 $3.00 Ray #1 1.00 Deathstroke 5,6 1.75 each Darkhawk 13 1.25 New warrior's 18 1.00 Fantasti Four 358 2.50 Moon Knight 35,36 1.75 each Hulk 386-388 1.50 each Punisher W.Z. 1 2.50 Cage 1 1.50 X-force 1 2.00 Silver Sable 1 2.00 X-calibur 26,27,48,49 1.50 each Hearts of Darkness 5.00 Infinity Guantlet 1-4 2.50 each Batman v. Pred. 1,3 2.00 each "" "" "" (deluxe) 1 5.00 Guardians of the Galaxy 1 3.00 Spider-man 2099 1-3 5.00 (set) Spec. spider-man 189 3.00 (special hologram) Let me know if you'd like to buy anything. My address is U38134@uicvm.uic.edu Thanks, Noel Lorenzana ";-1;0 "From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Title for XTerm Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 32 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de Keywords: XTerm In article , thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) writes: |> >Hey guys! |> >I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname |> >to be in a title of Xterm when it's open and a machine name only |> >when it's closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear |> >as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed. |> >How can I do it? |> |> Almost all window managers (twm, mwm, olwm and their derivates) support |> escape sequences for it. For your purpose put following into your |> .login (if you're using csh or tcsh), for sh you have to modify it. |> |> if ( ""$term"" == ""xterm"" ) then |> echo ""^[]2;${LOGNAME}@${HOST}^G^[]1;${HOST}^G"" |> endif |> 1) This is NOT a feature of the Window Manager but of xterm. 2) This sequences are NOT ANSI compatible, are they ? Does anyone know IF there are compatible sequences for this and what they are ? I would think they are DCS (device control sequence) introduced, but may be a CSI sequence exists, too ? This MUST work on a dxterm (VT and ANSI compatible), it may not work on xterms. -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Blindsight Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 18 In article werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner) writes: >In article <19213@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) wrote: >> >> Explain. I thought there were 3 types of cones, equivalent to RGB. > >You're basically right, but I think there are just 2 types. One is >sensitive to red and green, and the other is sensitive to blue and yellow. >This is why the two most common kinds of color-blindness are red-green and >blue-yellow. > Yes, I remember that now. Well, in that case, the cones are indeed color sensitive, contrary to what the original respondent had claimed. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: slosser@ntsc-rd.navy.MIL (Steve Slosser) Subject: UNIX interest group: Where is it? Organization: The Internet Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: ""xpert"" I know that this is not the correct place to post this, but I have exhausted all other logical options. I used to be on the INFO-UNIX newsgroup mailer. The mailers mysteriously quite coming around the end of last year. All e-mails requesting that I be placed back on the list have been ignored. I have been unable to locate the administrator of this list. If anyone knows of the internet address that I can send a the request to get back on this list, can you please send it to me. If you don't know of this specific newsgroup mailer, I would appreciate the address of *any* UNIX-related newsgroup. Thanks. Cutoff, Steve slosser@ntsc-rd.navy.mil PS - Sorry for the non-X-related question. ";-1;0 "From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) Subject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Lines: 30 strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: > dwight tuinstra posts a very interesting message in which he comments on the > effects of the Clipper chip on state and local police. Actually, reading > between the lines, it could be a very good thing for civil liberties in one > respect, since it will at least prevent cowboy cops and cowboy state and > local agancies from reading your traffic if they tap it illegally. Instead of reading between the lines, try to think a little bit. OK, if that's way too difficult to you, here are some hints. Indeed, the new proposal imposes some additional burocratic burden on the local police, if they badly want to tape the magic cookie recipie that your mom is telling you on the phone. So, guess what they will do? Propose that the new technology is removed? Or implement some ""facilitations""? Of course, you won't want to wait until they get the approval from two different agencies to decrypt the conversation between two child molesters, because meanwhile those two child molesters might be conspiring about molesting your child, right? So, there should be some way for them to get access to those keys -quickly-, right? Like, they could have a copy of the database, and worry about a warrant later... Regards, Vesselin -- Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN < PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr4.163015.10438@highlite.uucp>, croaker@highlite.uucp (Francis A. Ney) says: [of who else but President of the United States William Jefferson Clinton.] >It's a much better deal to have him end his term of office in disgrace, after >watching all his liberal democrat friends on his staff run this nation down >the toilet. Tsk. Surely you don't wish for the Democrats to destroy our beloved country just so your party can get some trivial political advantage? That's rather a petty way to think. (Not that this pettiness doesn't extend all the way to the U.S. Senate, I've noticed...) While Bush was president, I kept hoping and praying that he'd wise up. I couldn't stand the man, but I wish he'd done a decent job; if so, we might not be in the mess we are now, and that would be a small price to pay for suffering through another term of Republican control. Similarily, YOU should be hoping and praying that Clinton does a good job. Even if you're certain he won't. ""...so I propose that we destroy the moon, neatly solving that problem."" [Your blood pressure just went up.] Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions, they'd try to charge me for them. ";-1;0 "From: tedwards@eng.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 25 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: pipa.src.umd.edu In article <1r1r3nINNebn@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: >In article Graham Toal writes: >>Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen >>to throw away her academic respectability like this. > Actually, I've been following her remarks for some time, with >interest. I'm also a member of academia, and her remarks have nothing >but elevate her respectability in my eyes. It remains to be seen whether >you are the radical fringe, or I. > It is generally an error to assume that your beliefs are held by >the majority, or even a sizable minority. Especially when you're seeing >tens, nay dozens, of people on usenet agreeing with you. The people on usenet are clearly a special bunch. We live the net, which is the future of our culture. Usenetters have rapid electronic access to information. Society in general must depend on CNN. I can only hope we can make this information accessable by the public before the radical fringe, which _is_ the majority, destroys the fabric of this country. Freedom is never easily won. -Thomas ";16;1 "From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program Nntp-Posting-Host: dzoo.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr15.215912.1807@martha.utcc.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: >In article goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes: >>In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes: >>>In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C >>>OM (Mark Wilson) writes: >>>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling >>>>his so called stimulus package. >>>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free >>>>immunizations for poor kids. >>> >>>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to >>>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents >>>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done. >> >> In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health >> care ACCESS program. ""Access"" here means that folks who do not give >> a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services >> delivered to their doorsteps. > > I've read about more than a few of these programs that ran into >problems in convincing parents to get their children immunized even >when they were delivered to their doorstep. (I don't know, maybe >that sheet they have to be informed of about possible risks, side- >effects, and bad reactions scares them.) The immunization program is just a ""useful first step"". Among other things, the money will go to pay for creating and maintaning a a computerized ""innoculation"" database on all U.S. children. (code-named Big Mother... Just kidding, the name will be Children Defense Database, or something like that.) Once the money is spent and little or no tangible results achieved, the goverment will have to start knocking down doors, in some neigborhoods, and bribe parents in others (probably the ones that are paying kids for attending the school - what a fantastic idea!) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group >PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day >your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't >love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: msjohnso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Mark Johnson) Subject: Re: Big amateur rockets Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS Lines: 86 pbd@runyon.cim.cdc.com (Paul Dokas) writes: >I was reading Popular Science this morning and was surprised by an ad in >the back. I know that a lot of the ads in the back of PS are fringe >science or questionablely legal, but this one really grabbed my attention. >It was from a company name ""Personal Missle, Inc."" or something like that. The company was probably ""Public Missiles, Inc"" of Michigan. >Anyhow, the ad stated that they'd sell rockets that were up to 20' in length >and engines of sizes ""F"" to ""M"". They also said that some rockets will >reach 50,000 feet. Yup. >Now, aside from the obvious dangers to any amateur rocketeer using one >of these beasts, isn't this illegal? I can't imagine the FAA allowing >people to shoot rockets up through the flight levels of passenger planes. >Not to even mention the problem of locating a rocket when it comes down. Nope, it's not illegal. It is, however, closely regulated. In order to purchase and use the big rocket motors required, it is necessary to be one of the following: a) An employee of a government agency. b) An employee or student at a university doing research involving rockets. c) A member or representative of an educational organization involved in research or other uses of rockets. There are two such organizations: The Tripoli Rocketry Association and the National Association of Rocketry. Members of either organization must demonstrate proficiency in construction and flight before they are allowed to purchase large motors on their own. The FAA will issue a waiver of its regulations, upon request, to any organization which can persuade them it has taken adequate precautions to avoid conflicts with aircraft. The usual stipulations are: - Only operation up to a specified ceiling is allowed. Depending on the location, this ceiling may be from 5000 to 50000 feet AGL. - The operator of the rocket is responsible for avoiding any aircraft within the operating radius around the launch site. - Flight into clouds or beyond visual range in haze is expressly prohibited. - The FAA will provide a NOTAM informing other users of the airspace that unmanned rocket operations are taking place at the specified place and time. Most of the launches that are held (and there are dozens of them every year) are held in areas where air traffic is relatively light, such as over the western deserts (the Black Rock Desert north of Reno is particularly popular since it is 25 x 150 miles of *nothing to hit* on the ground). The two rocketry associations test and approve motors for their members' use, to insure safety. Depending on motor size, the launcher setback is from 50 to 500 or more feet. By the way, rockets under 1 lb and powered by an ""F"" motor are exempt from most Federal regulations on unmanned rockets anyway. See FAR 101, Subpart C, for details. As for recovery...although the higher altitude rockets can reach up to 50,000 feet, most of them only get to 2,000 to 5,000 feet. The typical rocket is 2 to 6 inches in diameter, and carries a 3 to 6 foot parachute, or multiple parachutes, depending on the payload. Many rockets also carry either a small transmitter or an audio sounder--particularly at launches in the eastern US, where there are more obstructions. Camera, telemetry transmitter, and video payloads are becoming quite common. >And no, I'm not going to even think of buying one. I'm not that crazy. Why not? It's a lot of fun...check out the traffic on rec.models.rockets for information about the model (3 lb and under) and high power (everything bigger) rocket hobbies. As with all dangerous activities, the key is to practice safety. I've been flying consumer rockets ranging up to 4-5 lbs takeoff weight for 27 years, and still have all my extremities intact. >-Paul ""mine'll do 50,000 feet and carries 50 pounds of dynamite"" Dokas That's another thing. NO EXPLOSIVE WARHEADS OF ANY KIND ARE ALLOWED ON THESE ROCKETS. NONE! Please forgive me for shouting, but that's one of the biggest misconceptions people have about our hobby. >/* Just remember, you *WILL* die someday. */ True. But it will not be related to the rocket hobby, unless I get hit while crossing a road with a rocket in my hand. -- Mark Johnson USnail: NCR Peripheral Products Division E-mail: Mark.Johnson@WichitaKS.NCR.COM 3718 N. Rock Rd. Voice: (316) 636-8189 [V+ 654-8189] Wichita, KS 67226 [Non-business email: 76670.1775@compuserve.com] ";-1;0 "From: newmme@helios.tn.cornell.edu (Mark E. J. Newman) Subject: HELP: advice on what video system to buy Keywords: video, RS6000 Organization: Cornell University Lines: 22 If this question is covered elsewhere, I apologize, but I need information fast. My department has been given a large sum of money to install a video system on our network of IBM RS6000 workstations. This is not an area in which I have any expertise, so I wonder if anyone out there can offer advice. We would like a system, based either on VHS or 8mm video which will allow one write video, frame by frame on tape for play-back in real time. It's for visualization of physics problems. Can anyone tell me what hardware is available which would work for our system? Some support software is obviously needed too, but nothing particularly sophisticated, since the software we actually use for the visualization is all already written. Please email with replies, as I don't read this group. Many thanks for your help. Dr. M. E. J. Newman. Department of Physics, Cornell University. newmme@helios.tn.cornell.edu ";-1;0 "From: cverond@nyx.cs.du.edu (Cristiano Verondini) Subject: Image plotting source code needed Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 7 Hi, I'm looking for source sample on how to create a window with an image in it (actually a 2dim matrix of unsigned char). Any help will be appreciated! :)) ";-1;0 "From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell) Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu Organization: Amherst College X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 31 Tom Dietrich (txd@ESD.3Com.COM) wrote: : parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: : : >I bought it, I tried it: : : >It is, truly, the miracle spooge. : : >My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km. : : Good, glad to hear it, I'm still studying it. : : >I think life is now complete...The shaft drive weenies now : >have no comeback when I discuss shaft effect. : : Sure I do, even though I don't consider myself a weenie... ---------------- rip! pithy ""I'm afraid to work on my bike"" stuff deleted --- : There is also damn little if any shaft effect : with a Concours. So there! :{P PPPpppphhhhhttttttt!!! : Heh, heh...that's pretty funny. So what do you call it instead of shaft effect? Nathaniel ZX-10 <--- damn little if any shaft effect DoD 0812 AMA p.s. okay, so it's flame bait, so what ";-1;0 "From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) Subject: RE: Sunview -> X Organization: The Internet Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, alex@vuse.vanderbilt.edu # #No doubt this is an old question, but I didn't find the answer in the #FAQs I could find, so - here goes: # #I have a Sunview application that I want to convert to X (OpenLook, #Motiv, whatever). I remember hearing quite some time ago that there #are tools to accomplish this task. # # a) is that so? # b) are they public domain? # c) any good, i.e. # d) advantages over reimplementing the interface myself? # The simple answer is for you to obtain use XView to do this. XView is a one to one replacement for Sunview. It should already be provided with you Sun running OpenWindows. It is also free available as part of the contrib side of the MIT X11R5 release. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long ";-1;0 "From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) Subject: Holes: practical questions, was - Philosophical Question Summary: How do we preferentially amplify holes instead of electrons? Keywords: holes electrons semi-conductors mobility Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: 4-L Laboratories Expires: Sun, 9 May 1993 06:00:00 GMT Lines: 48 In article <12426@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes: >[...] >I agree. I come at this from nuclear physics, where one often discusses >particle-hole excitations and certain reactions have the effect of >applying an annihilation operator and creating a hole, and it is a >subtle question. The longer one works with them, the more real they >become. There are also quasi-particles, which raise the same sort >of question about how ""real"" the entity is. The phenomenon is most >certainly a real one. OK, I've asked this before, and with a new thread on these lines, I ask this again: 1: If a large hole current is run thru a resistor, will there be I^2 * R cooling instead of heating? 2: Can anyone design an amplifier that preferentially amplifies hole currents over normal electron currents? 3: what semiconductor materials have the highest ratio of hole mobility to electron mobility? (please quote actual test samples rather than estimates based on theory. Also, don't be limited to semiconductors: consider also insulators, resistors, dielectrics, piezo-electrics, conductors, magnets (metal, ceramic), magnetostrictives, etc). NOTES: to summarize, this thread has so far stated that the only area where holes are not detectable is the vacuum. That is, hole particles only exist in the presence of matter. Previous threads have stated that holes only exist in certain semi-conductors. The question that naturally arises is if the hole currents inside a semi-conductor vanish at the point where the semiconductor is joined to a conductor (say, copper). I don't want a theoretical discussion here about whether holes could exist inside metal conductors, rather I ask for an experimental discussion on how to amplify and detect such currents *if* they exist. Also note that I have cross-posted this to sci.electronics since this is now becoming an electronic discussion. Thanx, Eric. ---- ET ""A Force of Nature"" ---- ";-1;0 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: Humans have ""gone somewhat beyond"" what, exactly? In one thread >you're telling us that natural morality is what animals do to >survive, and in this thread you are claiming that an omniscient >being can ""definitely"" say what is right and what is wrong. So >what does this omniscient being use for a criterion? The long- >term survival of the human species, or what? Well, that's the question, isn't it? The goals are probably not all that obvious. We can set up a few goals, like happiness and liberty and the golden rule, etc. But these goals aren't inherent. They have to be defined before an objective system is possible. >How does omniscient map into ""definitely"" being able to assign >""right"" and ""wrong"" to actions? It is not too difficult, one you have goals in mind, and absolute knoweldge of everyone's intent, etc. >>Now you are letting an omniscient being give information to me. This >>was not part of the original premise. >Well, your ""original premises"" have a habit of changing over time, >so perhaps you'd like to review it for us, and tell us what the >difference is between an omniscient being be able to assign ""right"" >and ""wrong"" to actions, and telling us the result, is. Omniscience is fine, as long as information is not given away. Isn't this the resolution of the free will problem? An interactive omniscient being changes the situation. >>Which type of morality are you talking about? In a natural sense, it >>is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't >>adversely affect your own, I guess). >I'm talking about the morality introduced by you, which was going to >be implemented by this omniscient being that can ""definitely"" assign >""right"" and ""wrong"" to actions. >You tell us what type of morality that is. Well, I was speaking about an objective system in general. I didn't mention a specific goal, which would be necessary to determine the morality of an action. keith ";-1;0 "From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? Organization: The Claremont Graduate School Lines: 65 In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: >The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on >the biblical text. Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to >the hermeneia commentary on Acts). ... In article , ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) writes: > Even if there was no independent proof that Luke's account was > valid, I find it strange that you would take the negation of it as > truth without any direct historical evidence (at least that you've > mentioned) to back it up. The assertion was made, unequivocally > that no Christian ever sufferred for their faith by believing in > the Resurrection. Luke's account suggests otherwise, and in the > absence of direct eyewitnesses who can claim that Luke is mistaken, > then I suggest that this unequivocal assertion is suspect. > John, The problem here is that you have taken one peice of my response, without bothering to connect it with the other parts. I have repeatedly noted that one needs to take the problematic historcity of acts and then examine the work of John Dominic Crossan and Burton Mack. Once you have taken the time to examine recent developments in biblical scholarship, I think you will grasp more clearly what I am saying. > [I think the original claim may have been somewhat more limited than > this. It was an answer to the claim that the witnesses couldn't > be lying because they were willign to suffer for their beliefs. > Thus it's not necessary to show that no Christian ever suffered > for believing in the Resurrection. Rather the issue is whether > those who witnessed it did. > > I do agree that the posting you're responding to shows that there > can be liberal as well as conservative dogmatism. > > --clh] Certainly this is an issue as I think the situation in Waco shows most clearly. If all that is required is that people are willing to die for a belief for it to be true, then surely David Koresh is the son of God. No, the spurrious arguement that the resurrection had to be true for people to be willing to die must be put to rest. The other problem is that it is so monologocentric. Even if the resurrection was a big deal (which it doesn't seem to have been for either Q, Thomas, or even John to a certain degree) there are a lot of other things which the Early Christians could have been doing together that would have been worth dying for. It is my belief that even the idea of a mixed race community, which brought down regional/national boundaries in the name of koinonia could have been enough for people to be willing to die. Radical communties do that (e.g. Jonestown, Waco, Warsaw, etc) But my original point was that roman persecution (which is the only persecution we have documented proof of) was not about whether a carpenter came back from the dead. Such a claim was not unique nor particularly abhorent to the roman or greek mind. My point is that avoidance of military and civic duty (i.e. emperor worship) would have been much more problematic -- which has nothing to do with the resurrection at all. When nero used christians as human torches to light up his dinner party it wasn't because the believe in a risen savior, it was because they were supposedly involved in incest and cannablism. The argument that christians were martyred for the resurrection just cannot stand up to critical examination. randy ";-1;0 "From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) Subject: Serdar Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu What are you stupid? --- ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo ";15;1 "From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ. of Alabama Distribution: usa Lines: 36 In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) wrote: > > > A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's > disease. > > But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables, > without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence. > > Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the > problems of people with Crohn's disease ? > > (I saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric). > > Thanks in advance, > John Eyles > jge@cs.unc.edu If she is having problems with fresh vegetables, the guess is that there is some obstruction of the intestine. Without knowing more it is not possible to say whether the obstruction is permanent due to scarring, or temporary due to swelling of inflammed intestine. In general, there are no dietary limitations in patients with Crohn's except as they relate to obstruction. There is no evidence that any foods will bring on recurrence of Crohn's. It is important to distinguish recurrence from recurrent symptoms. A physician would think of new inflammation as recurrence, while pains from raw veggies just imply a narrowing of the intestine. Your friend should look into membership in the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America. 1-800-932-2423 Good luck to your friend. Steve Holland ";4;1 "From: John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson) Subject: Kansas City e-mail contact Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 11 Would the person who is running the e-mail list for KANSAS CITY Royals please e-mail details regarding mailing list. If you on the list and know the info please send me info as well. Please e-mail as I don't have time always to read this group John -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John_Carson@MINDLINK.BC.CA <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >> D.John Carson J & H Concepts (604)589-5118 << >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ";14;1 "From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) Subject: Re: edu breaths Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla17 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes: >| >|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike >|riders and the cruiser-bike riders. > >That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals. I >have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of ""cruiser"" >bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but. Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals. Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders (what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded. To NOT RECOGNIZE this, is in effect, close-minded. > >|A lot of it, reminded me of rec.motorcycles and the insipid flame-age thereof.. > >If you so dislike it, my occasionally leather-clad poser pal, why read it? I scan it for information, a lot of it is NOISE and pointless flame-age. (it's why I used trn, instead of rn) If you have a problem with that, I'm really sorry for you.. -- => Dan DeClerck | EMAIL: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com <= => Motorola Cellular APD | <= =>""Friends don't let friends wear neon""| Phone: (708) 632-4596 <= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape Keywords: video Organization: Vpnet Public Access Lines: 19 >There are devices you can buy and/or make. Look in Radio & Popular >Electronics mags for the devices. If all else fails, you can build one >using the curcuit design from the Dec. '87 issue of Radio Electronics. My very favorite ad for such a device is on the back of the latest Damark catalog. Quoting from memory: [Big flashy type] ""Dual deck VCR copies any tape -- Even those that are copy protected!*"" (And underneath the ad in very small print: *This device is not intended for making illegal copies of copyrighted material.) :-) -- ---------------------------------------------------- Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd! ";-1;0 "From: Earl D. Fife Subject: Re: printer, blp elite X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 01:02:42 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: 153.106.4.42 Organization: Calvin College X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 Lines: 42 In article Glen Hoetker, ghoetker@nova.sti.nasa.gov writes: > I'm in the market for a Post-script compatible laser writer. My needs > are pretty modest so 300 dpi, 4 pages a minute would be just fine. > My budget is also pretty modest, so inexpensive would also be good. > It will be working from a single mac, but networkability would > probably be a good investment for the future. > >With that in mind... > > 1) Anyone have comments about the suitability/quality/value of a GCC > BLP Elite printer? I just recently purchased the GCC BLP Elite and I really like it. My needs are much the same as what you describe. In addition, I wanted to get one that I could access via AppleTalk, so that eliminated the new line of inexpensive printers from Apple. The print quality is good to excellent based on what font you're using and what paper you use. I'm still experimenting with different papers, but a medium grade laser printer paper seems to work fine. Printing envelopes, transpariencies, letter head, or other single feed jobs is very easy. There is an adjustable, automatic centering, guide on top of the sheet feeder which aligns the paper properly (and doesn't feed a sheet from the sheet feeder, as some do). (I have no affiliation with GCC, just a satisfied customer.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Earl D. Fife | Department of Mathematics fife@calvin.edu | Calvin College (616)957-6403 | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 ========================================================================= ";-1;0 "From: rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Rob Napier) Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu In article <79615@cup.portal.com> Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes: > > >""To all whom it may concern - > [constitution sacrificed to the bandwidth gods] im glad i finally have heard exactly what the OTO is all about. i finally know that i can stop looking, content i the knowlege that im not interested. it's tough enough listening to all the religions who refer to themselves as ""the One Truth"". How can i possibly accept it from a magical order? ""We have all the Answers and will give them to those who join us (and pay dues)?"" Scary. Besides, answers are easy. Questions! now that's another story... rintaw -- |------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Rob Napier - Virginia Tech | There is no gravity, the earth sucks. | | rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu | All in all I'm just another Schitz In The Hall | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| ";-1;0 "From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: N/I Lines: 16 In article <1993Apr14.232806.18970@beaver.cs.washington.edu> graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes: [ ... ] >It's worth noting that US vs. Miller sustained Miller's conviction >of possession of an illegal firearm, noting that a sawed-off shotgun >was not a proper militia weapon. Therefore, US vs. Miller supports >limited government regulation of firearms. Then it also supports basing such regulations on ignorance. Miller had disappeared, and nobody bothered to present _his_ side to the Supreme Court -- in particular, that sawed-off shotguns were used in the World War I trenches, and in other tight spots ever since guns had been invented. Would _you_ turn one down if you had to ""clean"" an alley in E. St. Louis? -------- Vegetarians kill, too ";-1;0 "From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 4 I'm sold! Where do I sign up? Brian /-|-\ The next book: ""Charles Manson: Lord, Lunatic, or Liar"" ";-1;0 "From: hinds@cmgm.stanford.edu (Alexander Hinds) Subject: Headphones for sale Keywords: headphones Organization: Stanford University, California, USA Lines: 9 I have two pairs of headphones I'd like to sell. These are excellent, and both in great condition: Denon AH-D350 JVC HA-D590 Any reasonable offer accepted. Alexander Hinds (415) 497-3719 ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr22.001642.9186@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back >>>>the lost weight does not constitute ""weight rebound"" until it >>>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that >>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers? >>> >>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987 >>> >>Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive >>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-) > >I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to >study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom. > Good story, Chuck, but it won't wash. I have read the NY Acad Sci one (and have it). This AM I couldn't find any reference to ""weight rebound"". I'm not saying it isn't there, but since you cited it, it is your responsibility to show me where it is in there. There is no index. I suspect you overstepped your knowledge base, as usual. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";4;1 "From: jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo) Subject: bike for sale in MA, USA Keywords: wicked-cool Organization: ClickTech, Tyngsboro, MA Lines: 15 I've recently become father of twins! I don't think I can afford to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies. Both babies are staying, so 1 of the Harleys is going. 1988 883 XLHD ~4000 mi. (hey, it was my wife's bike :-) 4speed, chain secondary, laced wheels, buckhorns, tachometer, saddlebags & supports, sissy bar, SE high-flow air cleaner dark candy red $3700 --- Jeff deRienzo jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 26 Brent Irvine (irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu) writes: > cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: > >mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: > > > >> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use > >> on a warm day in Texas. > > > >Do YOU eat all your food cold? > Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. > Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. oh, i see. electricity is a natural right & our wonderful government would -never- cut off the power to the people they were besieging. are you really this dumb, or just acting like it for the sake of argument? jason -- `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` `,` ""True love is better than anything, except cough drops."" `,` `,` - The Princess Bride (book), by William Goldman `,` `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,` ";-1;0 "From: tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) Subject: WH proposal from Police point of view Reply-To: tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 55 Nntp-Posting-Host: sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu It might pay to start looking at what this proposal might mean to a police agency. It just might be a bad idea for them, too. OK, suppose the NY State Police want to tap a suspect's phone. They need a warrant, just like the old days. But unlike the old days, they now need to (a) get two federal agencies to give them the two parts of the key. Now, what happens if there's a tiff between the two escrow houses? Posession/release of keys becomes a political bargaining chit. State and lower-level police agencies have to watch the big boys play politics, while potentially good leads disappear, lives and property are lost, statutes of limitations run out, etc. Not to mention: a moderately clever person who suspects the police are after her/him will be buying new phones faster than tap requests can be processed. Or using stolen ones. [Will the Turing Police come and arrest you for transmitting without a dialing license?] There's also bureacracy and security problems -- within each escrow house, how will requests for key disclosure be authenticated? Put in enough safeguards of the kind bureaucrats and activists feel comfortable with, and it might take a LONG time to get that key. [Even when a request is approved, how is the key going to be disclosed? Will it be encrypted by a Clipper-type chip for transmission? In a bureaucracy the size of the Federal Government, with a databank of the necessary size, and data traffic of the projected volume, there's going to be a lot of weak links. How many of these kinds of problems will be open for public or ""expert"" scrutiny?] Furthermore, the Feds might be leery of handing completed keys around, even to State Police agencies: a trust and security issue. This would be an especially acute issue if some other State's Police had mishandled a key, resulting in lawsuits, financial settlements, and political embarassment. So, the Feds implement it this way: (b) some federal agency gets the keys, performs the tap, and turns the results over to the NY State Police. But let's say Cuomo's been causing some problems over a Clinton Aid-To-Urban-Areas proposal. Or there just happens to be a turf war going on between the State cops and the Justice department on a case. Now, not only do we have the keys as a political chit, we have an extra player in the game *and* we have the tap's tapes as another bargaining chit. Again, the State Police lose. I understand that (legal) wiretaps are quite expensive to maintain. In scenario (b), who pays the bill? +========================================================================+ | dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu | | tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | | | | ""Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six"" | +========================================================================+ ";-1;0 "From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 27 In a previous article, steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) says: >Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it > take to kill a 5 year old native child? > >A: Four > >Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, >and one writes up a false report. This newsgroup is for intelligent discussion. I want you to either smarten up and stop this bullshit posting or get the fuck out of my face and this net. Steve -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Internet: aa229@freenet.carleton.ca Fidonet: 1:163/109.18 | | Mossad@qube.ocunix.on.ca | | <> | ";15;1 "From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan Lines: 33 In article jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: In article <1r3n8d$4m5@techbook.techbook.com> Dan Gannon writes: [DG] THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE [DG] by Theodore J. O'Keefe [DG] HARD BY THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT, within clear view of the Jefferson [DG] Memorial, an easy stroll down the Mall to the majestic Lincoln Memorial, [DG] has arisen, on some of the most hallowed territory of the United States of [DG] America, a costly and dangerous mistake. On ground where no monument yet [DG] marks countless sacrifices and unheralded achievements of Americans of all [DG] races and creeds in the building and defense of this nation, sits today a [DG] massive and costly edifice, devoted above all to a contentious and false [DG] version of the ordeal in Europe during World War II, of non-American [DG] members of a minority, sectarian group. Now, in the deceptive guise of [DG] tolerance, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum begins a propaganda [DG] campaign, financed through the unwitting largess of the American taxpayer, [DG] in the interests of Israel and its adherents in America. [JAKE] After reading the first paragraph, a quick scan confirmed my first [JAKE] impression: this is a bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash. Jake, I'm really disappointed in you. It took you a whole paragraph to see that it was ""bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash"". :-) The article title ""THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE"" should have been enough! :-) Tsiel -- ----8<--------------------------------------------------------------->8------ Tsiel:ohayon@jcpl.co.jp | If you do not receive this E-mail, please let me Employer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible. opinions, if any ! | Two percent of zero is almost nothing. ";-1;0 "From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Decision Support Inc. Lines: 80 NNTP-Posting-Host: dsi.dsinc.com (References: deleted to move this to a new thread) In article <114133@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >In article <1phkf7INN86p@dsi.dsinc.com> perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) writes: >>}Rushdie is, however, as I understand, a muslim. >>}The fact that he's a British citizen does not preclude his being muslim. > >>Rushdie was an atheist (to use local terminology, not to put words in >>his mouth) at the time of writing TSV and at the time of the fatwa in >>February 1989.[...] > >Well, if he was born muslim (I am fairly certain he was) then he _is_ >muslim until he explicitly renounces Islam. So far as I know he has never >explicitly renounced Islam, though he may have been in extreme doubt >about the existence of God. Being muslim is a legal as well as >intellectual issue, according to Islam. ""To put it as simply as possible: *I am not a Muslim*.[...] I do not accept the charge of apostacy, because I have never in my adult life affirmed any belief, and what one has not affirmed one can not be said to have apostasized from. The Islam I know states clearly that 'there can be no coercion in matters of religion'. The many Muslims I respect would be horrified by the idea that they belong to their faith *purely by virtue of birth*, and that a person who freely chose not to be a Muslim could therefore be put to death."" Salman Rushdie, ""In Good Faith"", 1990 ""God, Satan, Paradise, and Hell all vanished one day in my fifteenth year, when I quite abruptly lost my faith. [...]and afterwards, to prove my new-found atheism, I bought myself a rather tasteless ham sandwich, and so partook for the first time of the forbidden flesh of the swine. No thunderbolt arrived to strike me down. [...] From that day to this I have thought of myself as a wholly seculat person."" Salman Rushdie, ""In God We Trust"", 1985 >>[I] think the Rushdie affair has discredited Islam more in my eyes than >>Khomeini -- I know there are fanatics and fringe elements in all >>religions, but even apparently ""moderate"" Muslims have participated or >>refused to distance themselves from the witch-hunt against Rushdie. > >Yes, I think this is true, but there Khomenei's motivations are quite >irrelevant to the issue. The fact of the matter is that Rushdie made >false statements (fiction, I know, but where is the line between fact >and fiction?) about the life of Mohammad. Only a functional illiterate with absolutely no conception of the nature of the novel could think such a thing. I'll accept it (reluctantly) from mobs in Pakistan, but not from you. What is presented in the fictional dream of a demented character cannot by the wildest stretch of the imagination be considered a reflection on the actual Mohammad. What's worse, the novel doesn't present the Mahound/Mohammed character in any worse light than secular histories of Islam; in particular, there is no ""lewd"" misrepresentation of his life or that of his wives. >That is why >few people rush to his defense -- he's considered an absolute fool for >his writings in _The Satanic Verses_. Don't hold back; he's considered an apostate and a blasphemer. However, it's not for his writing in _The Satanic Verses_, but for what people have accepted as a propagandistic version of what is contained in that book. I have yet to find *one single muslim* who has convinced me that they have read the book. Some have initially claimed to have done so, but none has shown more knowledge of the book than a superficial Newsweek story might impart, and all have made factual misstatements about events in the book. >If you wish to understand the >reasons behind this as well has the origin of the concept of ""the >satanic verses"" [...] see the >Penguin paperback by Rafiq Zakariyah called _Mohammad and the Quran_. I'll keep an eye out for it. I have a counter-proposal: I suggest that you see the Viking hardcover by Salman Rushdie called _The Satanic Verses_. Perhaps then you'll understand. -- Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours. ";-1;0 "From: colby@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Kenneth Colby) Subject: Re: chronic sinus and antibiotics Keywords: sinus, antibiotics, antibacterial Nntp-Posting-Host: oahu.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Distribution: na Lines: 9 If the nose culture shows Staph, then Ceftin or even Ceclor are better. Suprax does not kill Staph. Treating bacterial infections involves a lot of try-and-fail because the infections often involve multiple organisms with many resistant strains. Some 60% of Hemophilus Influenza strains are now resistant. What works for me and my organisms may not work for you and yours. Keep experimenting. Ken Colby ";-1;0 "From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: The Tories could win the ""lottery""...Clinton GST? Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 44 In article <1993Apr16.083029.12516@umr.edu> ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) w rites: >In article <1993Apr16.031616.23130@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus. acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >> >>This country is hardly ruined. In fact, it is booming compared to after the >>1980 election. >> >>This whole ""USA has gone to hell and Reagan/Bush caused it"", is not only lame , >>pathetic, and old....... it's wrong. >> >>Under Reagan/Bush the economy grew by 1.1 trillion dollars. This is more tha n >>the entire economy of Germany, a ""kind, gentle"" country, in many peoples' >>books. What a joke. > >Drive down to Cincinnati and take a look. Not pretty, is it? But drive UP to Cleveland and it is about 10,000 times better. I from Toledo originally (but that place always as sucked as long as I've been on the planet. >Things were much better there in 1980. All that growth went into >the hands of Ron and Georgie's pals, and I DIDN'T GET A SINGLE >DIME OF IT, DAMMIT. And, now, I'm gonna be bled to death by tax >leeches to pay for the damage. F***ing great. Republicans have been trying to pass a balanced budget amendment for the last ten years. > >Oh, here's another thing. Seems like a lot of people in >Columbus drive over to Marysville and make Japanese cars. Hm. Because for a while, the American companies couln't even compete in THEIR OWN COUNTRY, where free trade isn't even an issue. However, even the automobile pendelum has swung back to the Big 3. >I wonder how many American-owned companies employ those in >Central Ohio? Other than Ohio State University. :) Oh, I don't know. It's probably in the tens of thousands. Ryan ";-1;0 "From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) Subject: Re: Bring on the O's Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 39 Distribution: world Expires: 5/9/95 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Summary: Root, root, root for the Orioles... I heard that Eli is selling the team to a group in Cinninati. This would help so that the O's could make some real free agent signings in the offseason. Training Camp reports that everything is pretty positive right now. The backup catcher postion will be a showdown between Tackett and Parent although I would prefer Parent. #1 Draft Pick Jeff Hammonds may be coming up faster in the O's hierarchy of the minors faster than expected. Mike Flanagan is trying for another comeback. Big Ben is being defended by coaches saying that while the homers given up were an awful lot, most came in the beginning of the season and he really improved the second half. This may be Ben's year. I feel that while this may not be Mussina's Cy Young year, he will be able to pitch the entire season without periods of fatigue like last year around August. I really hope Baines can provide the RF support the O's need. Orsulak was decent but I had hoped that Chito Martinez could learn defense better and play like he did in '91. The O's right now don't have many left-handed hitters. Anderson proving last year was no fluke and Cal's return to his averages would be big plusses in a drive for the pennant. The rotation should be Sutcliffe, Mussina, McDonald, Rhodes, ?????. Olson is an interesting case. Will he strike out the side or load the bases and then get three pop outs? You never know. The way I see the AL East this year (with personal biases mixed in) Baltimore New York Toronto Milwaukee Cleveland Boston Detroit (The top 4 are the only true contenders in my mind. One of these 4 will definitely win the division unless it snows in Hell/Maryland :). I feel that this Baltimore's season to finally put everything together.) __________________________________________________________________________ |Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| |""Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | |and their Rehabilitation Into Society"" from Red Dwarf - ""Polymorph"" | |****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!****| | This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";-1;0 "From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 194 In article pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes: >priority than the direct word of Jesus in Matt5:14-19? Paul begins >Romans 14 with ""If someone is weak in the faith ..."" Do you count >yourself as one who is weak in the faith? Do you count yourself as one who is weak in the faith? >you read Jesus' word in Matt5:14-19? Is there any doubt in your mind >about what is right and what is sin (Greek hamartia = missing the mark)? Is there any doubt in your mind about what is right and what is missing the mark? >>However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous >>proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day. As I >>indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited. >Whereas, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' words in Matt5:14-19 are fairly >clear, are they not? Are they clear or do you have doubts? >[No, I don't believe that Paul can overrule God. An important first step; the realization that Paul was human. >However Paul was writing for a largely Gentile audience. Yes, and he was writing and speaking for an audience that was at best, very weak in the faith; most could not read, most were unfamiliar with the Hebrew Scriptures in even the Septuagint form. Paul adapted the message of the Bible to a largely uneducated market. Granted, this market still exists today, but do you count yourself as part of it? To be ""weak in the faith"" is not missing the mark (hamartia) if you do the best that your education allows. Are you doing the best? >The Law was regarded by Jews >at the time (and now) as binding on Jews, but not on Gentiles. There >are rules that were binding on all human beings (the so-called Noachic >laws), but they are quite minimal. Let me make clear that the ""Law"" is none other than the Pentateuch of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. What did Jesus say about the ""Law"" in Matt5:14-19? Where did Jesus say that the ""Law"" only applies to Jews and that Gentiles are above the ""Law""? >The issue that the Church had to >face after Jesus' death was what to do about Gentiles who wanted to >follow Christ. The decision not to impose the Law on them didn't say >that the Law was abolished. It simply acknowledged that fact that it >didn't apply to Gentiles. Who acknowledged this fact? On what basis? Are we extra-biblical at this point? Why not also acknowledge that the Bhagavad-Gita is the only relevant text for Gentiles, after all we see in the Bible that it was Magus from the east who observed the star-signs of Jesus? Why bother with any texts at all? Why not just follow whatever the Church has to say? >Thus there is no contradiction with Mat 5. I don't see how you can say this with a straight face. Are you a follower of Christ, or do you follow someone else? Are you saying that the words of Jesus only apply to Jews? >As far as I can tell, both Paul and other Jewish Christians did >continue to participate in Jewish worship on the Sabbath. Thus they >continued to obey the Law. How Jewish was Paul after he changed his name from Saul? >The issue was (and is) with Gentile >Christians, who are not covered by the Law (or at least not by the >ceremonial aspects of it). Who says Gentile Christians are not covered by the first five books? Who says that Gentile Christians are above the Ten Commandments? >Jesus dealt mostly with Jews. I think we can reasonably assume that >Mat 5 was directed to a Jewish audience. You're implying that Jesus' words are valid only for Jews. Is this really what you mean to say? You do realize that you are gutting rather large portions of the Bible? When you read Jesus' words, did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe Jesus is talking to you, no matter what your race or sex? If the Hebrew Scriptures and the Gospel accounts of Jesus are only directed to Jews, why were they translated into English? >He did interact with >Gentiles a few times (e.g. the centurion whose slave was healed and a >couple of others). The terms used to describe the centurion (see Luke >7) suggest that he was a ""God-fearer"", i.e. a Gentile who followed >God, but had not adopted the whole Jewish Law. As Paul would call him, one who was weak in the faith. >He was commended by >Jewish elders as a worthy person, and Jesus accepted him as such. >This seems to me to indicate that Jesus accepted the prevailing view >that Gentiles need not accept the Law. Which is more important: 1) The recorded word of Jesus or 2) Indications that you can deduce from the Bible? Was Jesus God only of the Jews, or God of all humankind of all race and sex? >However there's more involved if you want to compare Jesus and Paul on >the Law. In order to get a full picture of the role of the Law, we >have to come to grips with Paul's apparent rejection of the Law, and >how that relates to Jesus' commendation of the Law. At least as I >read Paul, he says that the Law serves a purpose that has been in a >certain sense superceded. This is your understanding of Paul. Compare this to the word of Jesus. Are you Christian or Pauline? >Again, this issue isn't one of the >abolition of the Law. In the middle of his discussion, Paul notes >that he might be understood this way, and assures us that that's not >what he intends to say. Rather, he sees the Law as primarily being >present to convict people of their sinfulness. But ultimately it's an >impossible standard, and one that has been superceded by Christ. Again, this is your understanding of Paul. Did Jesus say that the Law was an ""impossible standard?"" Did Jesus say that He superceded the Law? Are you Christian or Pauline? >Paul's comments are not the world's clearest here, and not everyone >agrees with my reading. You acknowledge that it is *your* reading of Paul. What did Jesus say? Can you deny that Matt5:14-19 is quite clear in its meaning? Are you Christian or Pauline? >But the interesting thing to notice is that >even this radical position does not entail an abolition of the Law. >It still remains as an uncompromising standard, from which not an iota >or dot may be removed. For its purpose of convicting of sin, it's >important that it not be relaxed. When did Jesus say that the purpose of the Law was conviction of sin? >However for Christians, it's not >the end -- ultimately we live in faith, not Law. Please reread Matt5:14-19. Are you Christian or Pauline? >Jesus' interpretations >emphasize the intent of the Law, and stay away from the ceremonial >details. Are you saying that the Ten Commandments are ceremonial details? >Paul's conclusion is similar. While he talks about the Law being >superceded, all of the specific examples he gives involve the >""ceremonial law"", such as circumcision and the Sabbath. He is quite >concerned about maintaining moral standards. You call observance of the Sabbath, the day on which the Lord rested, ceremonial? Has circumcision been superceded for Christians? .... Are you Christian or Pauline? [Both. There is no doubt in my mind about what is sin and what is not, at least not in this case. Jesus did not deal explicitly with the question of whether the Law was binding on Gentiles. That's why I have to cite evidence such as the way Jesus dealt with the Centurion. As to general Jewish views on this, I am dependent largely on studies of Pauline theology, one by H.J. Schoeps, and one whose author I can't come up with at the moment. Both authors are Jews. Also, various Christian and non-Christian Jews have discussed the issue here and in other newsgroups. Mat 5:19 is clear that the Law is still valid. It does not say that it applies to Gentiles. And yes, I say that the specific requirement for worship on the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments is a ceremonial detail, when you're looking at the obligations of Gentiles. Similarly circumcision. I'm not sure quite what else I can say on this subject. Again, it's unfortunate the Jesus didn't answer the question directly. However we do know (1) what the 1st Cent. Jewish approach was, (2) how Jesus dealt with at least one Gentile, and (3) how Jesus' disciples dealt with the issue when it became more acute (I'm referring to Acts 15 more than Paul). Given that these are all in agreement, I don't see that there's a big problem. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: CLINTON JOINS LIST OF GENOCIDAL SOCIALIST LEADERS Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 13 In article <1r00ug$d60@btr.btr.com> michaelh@public.btr.com (Michael Hahn michaelh@btr.com) writes: >Pol Pot 100,000s Killed? I've read estimates that Pol Pot killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 million. Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium ";-1;0 "From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: HYPOGLYCEMIA Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 19 >From: anello@adcs00.fnal.gov (Anthony Anello) >Can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of 40 when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is >dangerous, i.e. indicates a possible pancreatic problem? One Dr. says no, the >other (not his specialty) says the first is negligent and that another blood Blood glucose levels of 40 or so are common several hours after a big meal. This level will usually not cause symptoms. >test should be done. Also, what is a good diet (what has worked) for a hypo- >glycemic? If you mean ""reactive"" hypoglycemia, there are usually no symptoms, hence there is no disease, hence the dietary recommendations are the same as for anyone else. If a patient complains of dizziness, faintness, sweating, palpitations, etc. reliably several hours after a big meal, the recommendations are obvious - eat smaller meals. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) ";4;1 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Aargh! Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 16 Locked away, waiting for the tape-delay to start ... It's nice that the Devils are starting out their playoffs on network television ... too bad that their playoff game has been preempted on WABC-AM for an early-season Yankees baseball game! It's a 12-2 win by the Texas Rangers ... and they're delaying the tape-delay by another half-hour for the ballgame ""highlights""!!! gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";-1;0 "From: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk (Tim Channon) Subject: Re: Can I use a CD4052 analog multiplexer for digital signal Reply-To: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk Distribution: world X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $ Organization: null Lines: 19 > As the subject says - Can I use a 4052 for digital signals? I don't see > why it couldn't handle digital signals, but I could be wrong. Anyone have > any advice? Thanks. Yes. I use 74HC4066 and others commerically for this purpose so rest assured it works fine. In one case I route bit serial digital audio using these and it is difficult to see any signal degradation at all which surprised me given some pretty fast edges. HC4066 is spec'd at something like -3dB @ 200MHz into 50 ohms. The more complex types are generally a little slower and more resistive. Plain 4000 series are not so good at handling 5v logic. Remember that the output load is seen by the input device. TC. E-mail: tchannon@black.demon.co.uk or tchannon@cix.compulink.co.uk ";-1;0 "From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 78 In <1993Apr2.150038.2521@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: >In article <1993Apr1.204657.29451@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >>>This system would produce enough energy to drive the accelerator, >>>perhaps with some left over. A very high power (100's of MW CW or >>>quasi CW), very sharp proton beam would be required, but this appears >>>achievable using a linear accelerator. The biggest question mark >>>would be the lead target chemistry and the on-line processing of all >>>the elements being incinerated. >> >>Paul, quite frankly I'll believe that this is really going to work on >>the typical trash one needs to process when I see them put a couple >>tons in one end and get (relatively) clean material out the other end, >>plus be able to run it off its own residual power. Sounds almost like >>perpetual motion, doesn't it? >Fred, the honest thing to do would be to admit your criticism on >scientific grounds was invalid, rather than pretend you were actually >talking about engineering feasibility. Given you postings, I can't >say I am surprised, though. Well, pardon me for trying to continue the discussion rather than just tugging my forelock in dismay at having not considered actually trying to recover the energy from this process (which is at least trying to go the 'right' way on the energy curve). Now, where *did* I put those sackcloth and ashes? [I was not and am not 'pretending' anything; I am *so* pleased you are not surprised, though.] >No, it is nothing like perpetual motion. Note that I didn't say it was perpetual motion, or even that it sounded like perpetual motion; the phrase was ""sounds almost like perpetual motion"", which I, at least, consider a somewhat different propposition than the one you elect to criticize. Perhaps I should beg your pardon for being *too* precise in my use of language? >The physics is well >understood; the energy comes from fission of actinides in subcritical >assemblies. Folks have talked about spallation reactors since the >1950s. Pulsed spallation neutron sources are in use today as research >tools. Accelerator design has been improving, particularly with >superconducting accelerating cavities, which helps feasibility. Los >Alamos has expertise in high current accelerators (LAMPF), so I >believe they know what they are talking about. I will believe that this process comes even close to approaching technological and economic feasibility (given the mixed nature of the trash that will have to be run through it as opposed to the costs of separating things first and having a different 'run' for each actinide) when I see them dump a few tons in one end and pull (relatively) clean material out the other. Once the costs, technological risks, etc., are taken into account I still class this one with the idea of throwing waste into the sun. Sure, it's possible and the physics are well understood, but is it really a reasonable approach? And I still wonder at what sort of 'burning' rate you could get with something like this, as opposed to what kind of energy you would really recover as opposed to what it would cost to build and power with and without the energy recovery. Are we talking ounces, pounds, or tons (grams, kilograms, or metric tons, for you SI fans) of material and are we talking days, weeks, months, or years (days, weeks, months or years, for you SI fans -- hmmm, still using a non-decimated time scale, I see ;-))? >The real reason why accelerator breeders or incinerators are not being >built is that there isn't any reason to do so. Natural uranium is >still too cheap, and geological disposal of actinides looks >technically reasonable. -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. ";-1;0 "From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) Subject: Re: Goalie masks Organization: UB Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu In article <1993Apr16.164811.21637@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: >[...] and I'll give Fuhr's new one an honourable mention, although I haven't >seen it closely yet (it looked good from a distance!). This is the new Buffalo one, the second since he's been with the Sabres? I recall a price tag of over $700 just for the paint job on that mask, and a total price of almost $1500. Ouch. -- Valerie Hammerl Birtday -(n)- An event when friends get hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu together, set your dessert on fire, then acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu laugh and sing while you frantically try v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu to blow it out. ";-1;0 "From: rlee@ssdc.SSDC.Sterling.COM (Richard Lee) Subject: Re: Pulldown menu periodically hangs application on OpenWindows 3.0 Organization: Sterling Software IMD. (Vienna,Va) Lines: 26 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: ssdc.ssdc.sterling.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Skip Koppenhaver (skip@eco.twg.com) wrote: : : Has anyone found a fix for the following problem? : : Client Software: SunOs 4.1.1, X11R5 : Server Hardware: Sun IPC : Server Software: SunOs 4.1.1, Open Windows 3.0 (w/ patch 100444-37) : : A Motif 1.2.2 application will periodically hang when run against the : OpenWindows 3.0 server (xnews). The pulldown is displayed but then no : button actions have any effect. Sometimes pressing will : unstick the application but not usually. It looks like the pulldown is : grabbing the focus and never letting go. Other windows on the display : continue to get updated so the server isn't hanging. If I log in from : another terminal and kill the Motif application then everything gets : back to normal. The same application when run against other X servers : (including MIT X11R5 Xsun, DecWindows, Tektronix X terminal) has no : problems. This is obviously a OpenWindows problem but I need a : work-around since most of our customers are OpenWindows users. I have seen the same problem using a SPARCStation 10, Solaris 2.1, OW 3.1. In my case, it happens far more often than ""periodically"". Help? ";-1;0 "From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: LH Workmanship Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore Lines: 28 In article <1ql178INN51q@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: >>I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle >>Vision and Dodge Intrepid. >>at a competitive price. ... >> >>Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars, >>the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out >>the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing > > >""Through a single data point, you can draw any line you want."" >-- Dr. S. Bart Childs, Professor, Texas A&M Dept. of Computer Science > Wrong. I got two points, which were the 100% sample space on the show floor. By the previous quote, I guess I may drow a determinstic line? > >Both my pastor's late model Corolla and my father's 1987 Stanza >have demonstrated the ""falling door seals"" problem. > As unfair as it may seem, the difference between Chrysler and Toyota is that Chrysler needs to prove that it can build quality cars. Toyota can afford make a few small mistakes without hurting the image. After all, door seal failing on a 6-year old Stanza is not comparable to the same problem on a brand new Intreprid. Jason Chen ";-1;0 "From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: Why Is Tax Evasion Not Considered Unpatriotic? Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Lines: 37 In <1993Apr2.125134.3780@hemlock.cray.com> rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Ben's dad) writes: |In article , mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: |> In article <1pasrg$ife@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes: |> |> | The title is self-explanatory; Isaac Asimov once pointed out |> |that curious fact. |> |> Are you saying that it should be considered unpatriotic if you do not give |> everything you own to the state. |Are you saying that it should be considered unpatriotic if you do not give |your *life* in battle for the state? The PC (Patrioticly Correct) certainly |think so. |> I thought that kind of system collapsed |> when the Soviet Union did. |No, the pentagon is still standing and collecting names for the draft. |> If that's not what you meant. At what point does paying more taxes cease |> being patriotic? |Your money or your life. Which is more important? Nice dodge. I give it a 9.2. Now to answer your questions. I do not believe that there should be a draft. The armed services should be voluntary. Can you say the same about taxes. I've answered your question. Would you now answer mine. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com ";-1;0 "From: mmatteo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU (Marc Matteo) Subject: Why the drive speeds differ?? Keywords: Quantum, LPS, speed Nntp-Posting-Host: mondrian.csufresno.edu Organization: California State University, Fresno Lines: 13 Hi all, I just got a La Cie 240 meg external hard drive. Speed tests show that it's substantially faster that my internal 105 meg Quantum HD. Supposedly the 105 and the 240 (both LPS drives) are roughly rated the same speed. Why such a large difference? Marc. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Marc Matteo, | AppleLink: MATTEO California State University, | Internet: mmatteo@mondrian.CSUFresno.EDU Fresno | AOL: M Matteo ";-1;0 "From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: The Israeli Press Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Andy Beyer has claimed that the Israeli Press is a bit biased. But the fact is that there are events shaping the politics of the mideast that people who do not read the Israeli press simply know nothing about. Many of these events are not even mentioned here. I read the Israeli press to learn of important events about which you know nothing, because of your total reliance on western media for your information on Israel. Since I read both American media and Israeli media, I can say with absolute certainty that anybody who reliesx exclusively on the American press for knowledge about Israel does not have a true picture of what is going on. As to the claim that Israeli papers are biased, of course they are. Some may lean to the right or the left, just like the media here in America. But they still report events about which people here know nothing. I choose to form my opinions about Israel and the mideast based on more knowledge than does an average American who relies exclusively on an American media which does not report on events in the mideast with any consistency or accuracy. ";-1;0 "From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu ( Evan Pritchard) Subject: Re: div. and conf. names Distribution: na Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology Lines: 59 maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <115873@bu.edu> Jason Gibson writes: >>I can live with the other changes that have been made (e.g. the playoff format >>change), but the change to the division and conference names really annoys me. >>""Batman"" was on TSN last night saying that changing the names would make the >>game easier for the ""occasional fan to follow"". He should have said what he >>meant: that changing the names will make the game easier for _Americans_ in >>non-hockey cities to follow. I don't know of too many of my friends who had >>a hard time following which teams were in each division. Even a minimal amount >>of exposure to the game allows a person to quickly pick up on this. >There is nothing wrong with making the game easier for ""_Americans_"" to >follow. The more fans the merrier and even if you dislike the ""occasional"" >fan there is always the chance that these fans will become fanatics. >I am glad that the names are being changed for another reason. The names >Patrick, Smythe, Norris, Adams and Campbell are all the names of so-called >""builders"" of the game. This is the same type of thinking that put Stein >in the Hall of Fame. This is absolute nonsense. The real builders of the >game are Richard, Morenz, Howe, Conacher, Orr, etc. If you are going to >name the divisions after people at least name the divisions after people >who deserve it. I think that you are incorrect, Roger. Patrick, Smythe and Adams all played or coached in the league before becoming front office types. Hence, they did help build the league, although they were not great players themselves. I agree that a name is a name is a name, and if some people have trouble with names that are not easily processed by the fans, then changing them to names that are more easily processed seems like a reasonable idea. If we can get people in the (arena) door by being uncomplicated, then let's do so. Once we have them, they will realize what a great game hockey is, and we can then teach them something abotu the history of the game. >The history of the names can be put rather succinctly. All of the aforemen- >tioned used the game of hockey to make money. Can you imagine a Pocklington >division? A Ballard division? Or how about a Green division? No, I would not want to see a Ballard division. But to say that these owners are assholes, hence all NHL management people are assholes would be fallacious. Conn Smythe, for example, was a classy individual (from what I have heard). Also, isn't the point of ""professional"" hockey to make money for all those involved, which would include the players. What I think you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as should have been their due, and it is the players that are what make the game great not the people who put them on the ice, so naming division after management people rather than players is adding insult (in the form of lesser recognition) to injury (less money than was deserved). _______________________ Evan Pritchard -------- Number 1 or 9 depending on the hockey pool ======================= epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu ";-1;0 "From: lindae@netcom.com Subject: Friend Needs Advice... Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 38 A friend of mine is having some symptoms and has asked me to post the following information. A few weeks ago, she noticed that some of her hair was starting to fall out. She would touch her head and strands of hair would just fall right out. (by the way, she is 29 or 30 years old). It continued to occur until she had a bald spot about the size of a half dollar. Since that time, she has gotten two more bald spots of the same size. Other symptoms she's described include: several months of an irregular menstrual cycle (which is strange for her, because she has always been extremely regular); laryngitis every few days -- she will wake up one morning and have almost no voice, and then the next day it's fine; dizzy spells -- she claims that she's had 4 or 5 very bad dizzy spells early in the morning, including one that knocked her to the ground; and general fatigue. She went to a dermatologist first who couldn't find any reason for the symptoms and sent her to an internist who suspected thyroid problems. He did the blood work and claims that everything came back normal. She's very concerned and very confused. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? I told her that I thought she should see an endocrinologist. Does that sound like the right idea? ** By the way, in case you are going to ask...no, she has recently taken any medications that would cause these symptoms...no, she hasn't recently changed her hair products and she hasn't gotten a perm, coloring, or other chemical process that might cause hair to fall out. Thanks in advance for any help! ";4;1 "From: nchan@nova.ctr.columbia.edu (Nui Chan) Subject: how to put RPC in HP X/motif environment? Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research X-Posted-From: nova.ctr.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 12 Hi, has anybody implements an RPC server in the HP Xwindows? In SUN Xview, there is a notify_enable_rpc_svc() call that automatically executes the rpc processes when it detects an incoming request. I wonder if there is a similar function in HP X/motif that perform the same function. any help is appreciated. nui chan nchan@ctr.columbia.edu ";-1;0 "From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) Subject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?) Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >In article rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes: >>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists. >There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and >published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics >who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used. No, there's no evidence that would convince any but the most credulous. The ""evidence"" is identical to the sort of evidence that has been used to justify all sorts of quack treatments for quack diseases in the past. >medicine on the right road. But methinks that some who hold too firmly >to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough >actually treating patients. I like the implication here. It must not be that the quacks making millions off such ""diseases"" are biased -- rather that those who doubt their existence don't understand the real world. It seems easy to picture a 19th centure snake oil salesman saying the same thing. However, I have been in the trenches long enough to have seen multiple quack diseases rise and fall in popularity. ""Systemic yeast syndome"" seems to be making a resurgence (it had fallen off a few years ago). There will be new such ""diseases"" I'm sure with best-selling books and expensive therapies. >If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my >face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee >their safety. For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as >far as I am concerned. Well this, of course, is convincing. I guess I'd better start diagnosing any illnesses that people want so that I can keep my lips. -- David Rind rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu ";-1;0 "From: finchm@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Michael >Finchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchmfinchm< Finch) Subject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes: > >The cryptographic protocol, though, is another matter. I see no valid > >reasons for keeping it secret, and -- as I hope I've shown above -- there > It just occurred to me why the algorithm is secret. If it were > published, one could then build physically identical clone versions I recall seeing a post some time ago saying that if the details of an encryption scheme couldn't be revealed, then the encryption scheme is worthless. I believe the statement was in response to somebody saying that they had some new snazzy scheme, but the algorithm was a secret. Does this algorithm depend on the fact that the scheme is secret or is it for the stated reasons above? -Mike ";-1;0 "From: mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) Subject: Re: Lindbergh and the moon (was:Why not give $1G) Organization: MDSSC Lines: 60 jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes: >mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes: >>cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook) writes: >>> The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit >>> of Saint Louis venture to his financial backers. But I strongly suspect >>> that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to realize that much more >>> was at stake than $25,000. Could it work with the moon? Who are the >>> far-sighted financial backers of today? >> The commercial uses of a transportation system between already-settled- >>and-civilized areas are obvious. Spaceflight is NOT in this position. >>The correct analogy is not with aviation of the '30's, but the long >>transocean voyages of the Age of Discovery. > Lindbergh's flight took place in '27, not the thirties. Of course; sorry for the misunderstanding. I was referring to the fact that far more aeronautical development took place in the '30's. For much of the '20's, the super-abundance of Jennies and OX-5 engines held down the industry. By 1926, many of the obsolete WWI aircraft had been retired and Whirlwind had their power/weight ratio and reliability up to the point where long-distance flights became practical. It's important to note that the Atlantic was flown not once but THREE times in 1927: Lindbergh, Chamberlin and Levine, and Byrd's _America_. ""When it's time to railroad, you railroad."" >>It didn't require gov't to fund these as long as something was known about >>the potential for profit at the destination. In practice, some were gov't >>funded, some were private. >Could you give examples of privately funded ones? Not off the top of my head; I'll have to dig out my reference books again. However, I will say that the most common arrangement in Prince Henry the Navigator's Portugal was for the prince to put up part of the money and merchants to put up the rest. They profits from the voyage would then be shared. >>But there was no way that any wise investor would spend a large amount >>of money on a very risky investment with no idea of the possible payoff. >A person who puts up $X billion for a moon base is much more likely to do >it because they want to see it done than because they expect to make money >off the deal. The problem is that the amount of prize money required to inspire a Moon Base is much larger than any but a handful of individuals or corporations can even consider putting up. The Kremer Prizes (human powered aircraft), Orteig's prize, Lord Northcliffe's prize for crossing the Atlantic (won in 1919 by Alcock and Brown) were MUCH smaller. The technologies required were within the reach of individual inventors, and the prize amounts were well within the reach of a large number of wealthy individuals. I think that only a gov't could afford to set up a $1B+ prize for any purpose whatsoever. Note that Burt Rutan suggested that NASP could be built most cheaply by taking out an ad in AvWeek stating that the first company to build a plane that could take off and fly the profile would be handed $3B, no questions asked. -- Keith Mancus | N5WVR | ""Black powder and alcohol, when your states and cities fall, | when your back's against the wall...."" -Leslie Fish | ";-1;0 "From: gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) Subject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Summary: Whatever you say. Lines: 96 In article <15389@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: > > > You mean, since your philosophy took over, the economy has almost > > > collapsed. > > Excuse me, *my* philosophy? You don't have any idea what *my* philosophy > > is. The American economy has had its ups and downs through a number of > > prevailing economic philosophies. But then, economics is hardly a science. > In my lifetime, your philosophy -- socialism masquerading as a liberal > welfare state -- has been in ascendancy. Yo--earth to Clayton--*my* philosophy? I have never discussed this with you. I know it's a minor point, but, gee, dude, you have no idea what economic and political principles I adhere to. But don't let that stop you--you're on a roll. Just ascribe to me whatever you want--I know you'll choose wisely. After all, I *do* believe in personal responsibility. > > No, I mean exactly what I wrote--the welfare system of the New Deal is > > wholly inadequate to cope with the current state of affairs. > Absolutely. So the response of socialists is take us even further > into socialism. Duh. What else would you *expect* a socialist to do? > > > Flash-in-the-pan? No, your subculture has utterly dominated the > > > TV and movie industries for two decades now. > > *My* subculture? My, we're getting personal. The only subculture I see > > dominating the TV and movie industries is *money*. If you'll buy it, > > they'll sell it. And as recent movements to boycott TV advertisers have > > shown, they're *very* sensitive about what sells. Whatever happened to > > personal responsibility, anyway? Or am I personally responsible for > > the decline in that, too? > To the extent that people have been encouraged to NOT be responsible > for themselves, yes. (a) Just when and where have I encouraged people not to be responsible for themselves? Be specific--but do make up random dates and heinous acts as you see fit. (b) You and I have encouraged many people to do many things. How does that in any way make our audiences less responsible for their actions? Is there a finite amount of responsibility, so (cf. conservation of energy) as I become more responsible for an occurrence by encouraging it the actual perpetrator becomes correspondingly less so? At what point does the perpetrator become completely innocent altogether? You know, this lends a whole new meaning to the term ""the moral high ground"". > > > Oddly enough, all the unskilled or semiskilled people I know manage > > > to find employment almost immediately. Maybe she needs to move to a > > > cheaper part of the country, where jobs are plentiful, and the cost > > > of living is lower. > > The west side of Chicago is about as cheap as it gets--squalor city. > > Tell me about all these places where it's cheap to live and jobs are > > abundant--I'll pass them on. > Sonoma County. I will pass the info on. Out of curiosity, what kind of jobs would these be? What's the demographic mix wrt race, age, culture? > > lots of employment, and utterly surrounded by socialists. Well, I suppose > > that's the sort of environment that would attract socialists, or at least > > not dissuade them. > No, it's that areas with a lot of wealthy breed socialists -- all the > spoiled rich kids, feeling guilty about their wealth. But not guilty > enough to give it away -- they just look for politicians to take MY > more limited wealth away. Life's a bitch, ain't it? Man, you've got to get out of Fornicalia--have you considered someplace perhaps geographically distant but politically more friendly to you, like, say, Indiana? Or maybe Utah? > > Well, I doubt that much of this goes to drugs--there isn't much left after > > buying food, and there is very little in the first place. Sure, you read > > about such cases now and then, but that's what makes them news. Show me > > your statistics about AFDC abuse. > I can tell you that relatives I have known, the drugs came first, the > food was secondary. I don't doubt it, but unless you can show me statistics to the contrary I will persist in my apparently dogmatic socialist belief (hey, if *you* say so) that most AFDC money really does--for better or worse in the long term--feed FDCs. *** *** Ken Perlow ***** ***** 16 Apr 93 ****** ****** 27 Germinal An CCI ***** ***** gadfly@ihspc.att.com ** ** ** ** ...L'AUDACE! *** *** TOUJOURS DE L'AUDACE! ENCORE DE L'AUDACE! ";-1;0 "From: keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu Reply-To: keegan@hermes.acm.rpi.edu Organization: T.S.A.K.C. Lines: 15 nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes: ->I addressed most of the key issues in this very long (284 lines) post ->by Dean Kaflowitz in two posts yesterday. The first was made into the ->title post of a new thread, ""Is Dean Kaflowitz terminally irony-impaired?"" ->and the second, more serious one appeared along the thread ->""A Chaney Post, and a Challenge, reissued and revised"" if you're so insecure about people reading your posts that you feel the need to write new posts announcing what you wrote in old, posts, why bother? accept it PHoney, you're a laughingstock. ";-1;0 "From: bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 26 > >And Michael Jackson, Jack Nicholson, and Bill Cosby wouldn't be >making near as much money if they weren't entertainers. So what's >your point? Actually, I could care less what his salary is. It has something to do with the fact that we live in America, and everyone is entitled to whatever he can legally obtain. If Sandy Alderson and the Haas family willingly negotiate a salary of $35 million per year with Rickey, I couldn't care less. But what REALLY GETS MY GOAT is the bullshit he spouted in spring training, about `Well... sometimes I may not play as hard, or might be hurt more often, in a place where I'm not appreciated'. This quote was in the Chronicle about the second week of camp, and strongly suggests that he was going to dog it all year if the ownership didn't kiss his butt and ante up some more money. For God's sake, Rickey, you signed a contract 4 years ago, now honor it and play! Say all you want to about Steve Garvey, and believe me, I hated him too, but at least when he put his signature on a piece of paper he shut his mouth and played hard until the contract was up. Matt Bohnert ";-1;0 "From: philc@macs.ee.mcgill.ca (Phil Crawley) Subject: Read only if going to ISCAS93 in Chicago Keywords: Soccer, ISCAS93 Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: kirk.ee.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University - MACS Laboratory, Montreal, CANADA. This is message is only of interest to those going to International Symposium on Circuits and Systems that is being held in Chicago this May. I checking to see if there is any people out there who would be interested in getting together for a pickup game of soccer during the off hours of the conference. If so could you e-mail me at: philc@macs.ee.mcgill.ca I'll bring a ball. If you know someone who is going to the conference and you know that they are avid soccer players please pass on this message to them. Also if someone in Chicago is going to the conference please let me know if there is any field near the hotel where we can play. Thanks. Bye. Philip Crawley ";-1;0 "From: djf@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Marvin Batty) Subject: Re: Moonbase race Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk Organization: Starfleet, Coventry, UK Lines: 22 In article <1r46o9INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: >In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > >>Apollo was done the hard way, in a big hurry, from a very limited >>technology base... and on government contracts. Just doing it privately, >>rather than as a government project, cuts costs by a factor of several. > >So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the >U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida? > Why use a ground launch pad. It is entirely posible to launch from altitude. This was what the Shuttle was originally intended to do! It might be seriously cheaper. Also, what about bio-engineered CO2 absorbing plants instead of many LOX bottles? Stick 'em in a lunar cave and put an airlock on the door. -- **************************************************************************** Marvin Batty - djf@uk.ac.cov.cck ""And they shall not find those things, with a sort of rafia like base, that their fathers put there just the night before. At about 8 O'clock!"" ";-1;0 "From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Andrew (was Re: X Toolkits) Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 40 Distribution: inet NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Excerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x: 23-Apr-93 X Toolkits Paul Prescod@undergrad.m (1132) > I get the impression Andrew is from the FSF, but I don't know what it > looks like either. The Andrew User Interface System is supported, maintained, enhanced, and distributed by the Andrew Consortium, Carnegie Mellon. The distribution terms are those of the X consortium, not the GNU Public License. Thus anyone can commercially exploit the Andrew code without restriction. (To encourage membership, however, we defer universal release of the latest versions until Consortium members have had an opportunity to explore the new capabilities.) To se what AUIS looks like, you can try a remote demo. You need an X server (R5 is best) on a machine linked to the internet. Give the command finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu for instructions. NOTE: The demo version does not use the Motif-look-and-feel scrollbar, but one is available. You can use it on the demo by changing an option in the ~/preferences file and starting a new editor. The Andrew Toolkit component of AUIS is ideal if you want to build applications using compound documents. Andrew's major feature is its architecture for recursive embedding of objects: equation in table in figure in text, for example. This architecture extends to areas not usually found in toolkits, including file stream formats, cut/paste, and printing. Andrew also provides some of the most commonly requested applications: word processor, spreadsheet, drawing editor, and font editor (the latter two are in version 5.2 which will be generally released on the XR6 tape in December.) Fred Hansen Director, Andrew Consortium ";12;1 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: The museum of 'BARBARISM'. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 215 In article v999saum@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou) writes: >What about Cyprus?? The majority of the population is christian, but >your fellow Turkish friends DID and STILL DOING a 'good' job for you >by cleaning the area from christians. All your article reflects is your abundant ignorance. The people of Turkiye know quite well that Greece and the Greek Cypriots will never abandon the idea of hellenizing Cyprus and will remain eternally hopeful of uniting it with Greece, someday, whatever the cost to the parties involved. The history speaks for itself. Greece was the sole perpetrator of invasion on that island when it sent its troops on July 15, 1974 in an attempt to topple the legitimate government of Archibishop Makarios. Following the Greek Cypriot attempt to annex the island to Greece with the aid of the Greek army, Turkiye intervened by using her legal right given by two international agreements. Turkiye did it for the frequently and conveniently forgotten people of the island, Turkish Cypriots. For those Turkish Cypriots whose grandparents have been living on the island since 1571. The release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA [National Organization of Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted terrorist, shows that the 'enosis' mentality continues to survive in Greece. One should not forget that Sampson dedicated his life to annihilating the Turks in Cyprus, committed murder to achieve this goal, and tried to destroy the island's independence by annexing it to Greece. Of course, the Greek governments will have to bear the consequences for this irresponsible conduct. THE MUSEUM OF BARBARISM 2 Irfan Bey Street, Kumsal Area, Nicosia, Cyprus It is the house of Dr. Nihat Ilhan, a major who was serving at the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent. During the attacks launched against the Turks by the Greeks, on 20th December 1963, Dr. Nihat Ilhan's wife and three children were ruthlessly and brutally killed in the bathroom, where they had tried to hide, by savage Greeks. Dr. Nihat Ilhan happened to be on duty that night, the 24th December 1963. Pictures reflecting Greek atrocities committed during and after 1963 are exhibited in this house which has been converted into a museum. AN EYE-WITNESS ACCOUNT OF HOW A TURKISH FAMILY WAS BUTCHERED BY GREEK TERRORISTS The date is the 24th of December, 1963... The onslaught of the Greeks against the Turks, which started three days ago, has been going on with all its ferocity; and defenseless women, old men and children are being brutally killed by Greeks. And now Kumsal Area of Nicosia witnesses the worst example of the Greeks savage bloodshed... The wife and the three infant children of Dr. Nihat Ilhan, a major on duty at the camp of the Cyprus Turkish Army Contingent, are mercilessly and dastardly shot dead while hiding in the bathroom of their house, by maddened Greeks who broke into their home. A glaring example of Greek barbarism. Let us now listen to the relating of the said incident told by Mr. Hasan Yusuf Gudum, an eye witness, who himself was wounded during the same terrible event. ""On the night of the 24th of December, 1963 my wife Feride Hasan and I were paying a visit to the family of Major Dr. Nihat Ilhan. Our neighbours Mrs. Ayshe of Mora, her daughter Ishin and Mrs. Ayshe's sister Novber were also with us. We were all sitting having supper. All of a sudden bullets from the Pedieos River direction started to riddle the house, sounding like heavy rain. Thinking that the dining-room where we were sitting was dangerous, we ran to the bathroom and toilet which we thought would be safer. Altogether we were nine persons. We all hid in the bathroom except my wife who took refuge in the toilet. We waited in fear. Mrs. Ilhan the wife of Major Doctor, was standing in the bath with her three children Murat, Kutsi and Hakan in her arms. Suddenly with a great noise we heard the front door open. Greeks had come in and were combing, every corner of the house with their machine gun bullets. During these moments I heard voices saying, in Greek, ""You want Taksim eh!"" and then bullets started flying in the bathroom. Mrs. Ilhan and her three children fell into the bath. They were shot. At this moment the Greeks, who broke into the bathroom, emptied their guns on us again. I heard one of the Major's children moan, then I fainted. When I came to myself 2 or 3 hours later, I saw Mrs. Ilhan and her three children lying dead in the bath. I and the rest of the neighbours in the bathroom were all seriously wounded. But what had happened to my wife? Then I remembered and immediately ran to the toilet, where, in the doorway, I saw her body. She was brutally murdered. In the street admist the sound of shots I heard voices crying ""Help, help. Is there no one to save us?"" I became terrified. I thought that if the Greeks came again and found that I was not dead they would kill me. So I ran to the bedroom and hid myself under the double-bed. An our passed by. In the distance I could still hear shots. My mouth was dry, so I came out from under the bed and drank some water. Then I put some sweets in my pocket and went back to the bathroom, which was exactly as I had left in an hour ago. There I offered sweets to Mrs. Ayshe, her daughter and Mrs. Novber who were all wounded. We waited in the bathroom until 5 o'clock in the morning. I thought morning would never come. We were all wounded and needed to be taken to hospital. Finally, as we could walk, Mrs. Novber and I, went out into the street hoping to find help, and walked as far as Koshklu Chiftlik. There, we met some people who took us to hospital where we were operated on. When I regained my consciousness I said that there were more wounded in the house and they went and brought Mrs. Ayshe and her daughter. After staying three days in the hospital I was sent by plane to Ankara for further treatment. There I have had four months treatment but still I cannot use my arm. On my return to Cyprus, Greeks arrested me at the Airport. All I have related to you above I told the Greeks during my detention. They then released me."" ON FOOT INTO CYPRUS'S DEVASTATED TURKISH QUARTER We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people have been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there, and we saw some terrible sights. In the Kumsal quarter at No. 2, Irfan Bey Sokagi, we made our way into a house whose floors were covered with broken glass. A child's bicycle lay in a corner. In the bathroom, looking like a group of waxworks, were three children piled on top of their murdered mother. In a room next to it we glimpsed the body of a woman shot in the head. This, we were told, was the home of a Turkish Army major whose family had been killed by the mob in the first violence. Today was five days later, and still they lay there. Rene MacCOLL and Daniel McGEACHIE, (From the ""DAILY EXPRESS"") ""...I saw in a bathroom the bodies of a mother and three infant children murdered because their father was a Turkish Officer..."" Max CLOS, LE FIGARO 25-26 January, 1964 Peter Moorhead reporting from the village of Skyloura, Cyprus. Date : 1 January, 1964. IL GIARNO (Italy) THEY ARE TURK-HUNTING, THEY WANT TO EXTERMINATE THEM. Discussions start in London; in Cyprus terror continues. Right now we are witnessing the exodus of Turks from the villages. Thousands of people abandoning homes, land, herds; Greek Cypriot terrorism is relentless. This time, the rhetoric of the Hellenes and the bust of Plato do not suffice to cover up barbaric and ferocious behaviors. Article by Giorgo Bocca, Correspondent of Il Giorno Date: 14 January 1964 DAILY HERALD (London) AN APPALLING SIGHT And when I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls, they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm bomb attack could have created more devastation. I counted 40 blackened brick and concrete shells that had once been homes. Each house had been deliberately fired by petrol. Under red tile roofs which had caved in, I found a twisted mass of bed springs, children's conts and cribs, and ankle deep grey ashes of what had once been chairs, tables and wardrobes. In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios, a mile away, I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot homes. From this village more than 100 Turkish Cypriots had also vanished.In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house. DAILY TELEGRAPH (London) GRAVES OF 12 SHOT TURKISH CYPRIOTS FOUND IN CYPRUS VILLAGE Silent crowds gathered tonight outside the Red Crescent hospital in the Turkish Sector of Nicosia, as the bodies of 9 Turkish Cypriots found crudely buried outside the village of Ayios Vassilios, 13 miles away, were brought to the hospital under the escort of the Parachute Regiment. Three more bodies, including one of a woman, were discovered nearby but could not be removed. Turkish Cypriots guarded by paratroops are still trying to locate the bodies of 20 more believed to have been buried on the same site. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: DMCOLES@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU Subject: Chicago area roommate needed (Evanston) Nntp-Posting-Host: nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu Organization: Northwestern University Lines: 21 Non-smoking roommate needed to sublet 1BR in 2BR carpeted apt. in Evanston, IL near the Dempster el stop parking is available Rent is $322.50/mo. + 1/2 utils. avail. May 1 - beg./end Aug. (entire apt. available Sept. 1) Roommate is 26 years-old, vegetarian, non-smoking female who works at Northwestern No neat freaks please! Call Denise (708) 491-7603 (w) (708) 869-8307 (H) dc@nwu.edu ";-1;0 "From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) Subject: Re: Help! Which bikes are short? Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.4.54.110 Reply-To: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group Lines: 3 I'm not sure on the older bikes, but the Yamaha Virago 535 has spec'd seat height of 27.6 in. and the Honda Shadow 27.2 in. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand - Software Development Center Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr8.095119.5367@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch writes: > >Oh yeah, I had a 1975 1275GT Mini, and even before I did anything >to it, it could leave an MGB standing anywhere except, perhaps, on a long straight >motorway run at 90+. > >People who bought MGB`s bought them because they were an open topped sportscar >and embodied what people thought they should for an old fashioned traditional >brit. sportscar - not because they were great at anything. Pretty much like the people who buy the Mazda MX-5 (Miata) today. Small fun and you can fool yourself (and a lot of other people) that you have the performance of many far superior (and much more expensive) performnace cars. -- Derek Tearne. -- derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz -- Fujitsu New Zealand -- Some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental consequences of an accident with the new Iridium enriched fusion reactor. ""If it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive..."" they said. ";-1;0 "From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr19.152527.23658@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes: | |Now now Keith, just calm down. What are you some prohibitionist prick? The |point of Andrew Infante's posting was obvious to solicit suggestions pertaining |to the cost of insurance and the like. I don't care if you are MADD or SADD or |whatever; keep it to yourself, we'd all appreciate that. Well, simply put, drinking is irrelavent. Driving drunk is indefensable and unforgivable. There is a large differnece. But, then, with an attitude like yours, I expect you'll be dead soon. I just hope you don't take a human being out with you. Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | ""I'm getting tired of 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave. 84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."" AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth ""Bruiser"" Dixon ";-1;0 "From: clintp@world.std.com (Clinton a Pierce) Subject: Need help setting PIF for games Summary: Can't seem to get the settings right for a few things Keywords: WINDOWS PIF Organization: VERSYSS Incorporated, Westwood MA Lines: 29 HI there! I have a few games that I'd like to run under Windows 3.1 and can't get the PIFS adjusted right. For example Wing Commander. In my DOS Prompt, I have more than 620K available for programs. This is enough to run WC. So I build a PIF giving WC a couple of megs of extended memory etc.. and run it. WC prompts: ""Loading Wing Commander..."" and then a message about ""Using extended memory..."" etc... and then my screen goes black (just before the opening scene-the orchestra-would have appeared.) I also have a pool game that does almost the same thing. It opens up and prompts me for what kind of video driver I have. (CGA, EGA, etc...) I respond EGA and the screen goes black. On both of these a ctrl-alt-del getss me back to Windows. Has ANYONE run Wing Commander under Windows? Or has had the problems I describe and fixed them? HEre's the rest of my setup: 400MB Disk Free 8MB memory ~5 free during WIN session 386DX-25 Respond here or on E-Mail. If anyone else needs this info, send me mail in a couple of days, and I'll forward the replies to you. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clinton A. Pierce | Cartesian Bear = Polar Bear after coordinate transform clintp@world.std.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: newton@cs.utexas.edu (Peter Newton) Subject: Re: Cache card for IIsi Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 64 NNTP-Posting-Host: mohawk.cs.utexas.edu > Can some people with cache cards PLEASE post speedometer numbers they > get with the cards. I have only one report, which seems to indicate > that a 32K cache card gives you only about a 1% speedup!! Ok. I have a record that shows a IIsi with and without a 64KB cache. It's small enough that I will attach it. I have also measured some real programs with and without the 64 KB cache. The speedup varies a lot from app to app, ranging from 0% to 40%. I think an average of 20%-25% is about right. The subjective difference is not great, but is sometimes noticable. A simple cache card certainly does not transform a IIsi into something enormously better. I do not have an FPU. The conventional wisdom says that cache cards from all of the makers offer about the same speedup and that there is not much difference between 32K and 64K caches. I bought mine from Third Wave for well under $150. I have had absolutely no problems at all with it. If you get *complete* speedometer runs for a 32K cache, I'd like to see them. Let's check the conventional wisdom! The so called ""Performance Rating"" numbers by themselves are of no interest. Cheers. 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The way to do that may be detaching crypto chip from communication equipment. It seems logical to provide Clipper chip to the end-user not as a part of phone, fax, modem & like but in the form of smart-card compatible with various telecomm. products. Banks will encourage extensive use of new cards to make transactions by phone. Natural step will be to cross-reference this card to the person in the government databases - or else this new version of ""wiretap proposal"" make no sence at all; one wish to eavesdrop (spell.) on the particular person, not on the particular modem or phone. As a side note, I disagree with one poster, who said he won't care about ability of the government to eavesdrop, since they can do that now anyway. Clipper will take away electronic survelliance from citizens, making it monopoly of the government. May be, we can find examples when interceptions made by (unauthorised) people uncovered crimes of state officials ? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For PGP2.1 public key finger mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) Subject: Re: Newbie Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office Lines: 16 In article , os048@xi.cs.fsu.edu () writes: |> hey there, |> Yea, thats what I am....a newbie. I have never owned a motorcycle, This makes 5! It IS SPRING! |> Matt |> PS I am not really sure what the purpose of this article was but...oh well Neither were we. Read for a few days, then try again. --- Curt Howland ""Ace"" DoD#0663 EFF#569 howland@nsipo.nasa.gov '82 V45 Sabre Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light. ";7;1 "From: pannon@bcsfse.ca.boeing.com (Joe Pannon) Subject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.] Organization: BOECOM Project - Boeing Computer Services, Seattle, Wa Lines: 14 In article , bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes: |> Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about |> $100. This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to |> redistribute. The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups |> pertaining to Motif has been high. ??? I've heard about that Italian guy distributing Motif binaries for 386BSD, but I haven't heard of anybody doing the same thing for Linux. ... and I do follow the Linux news group pretty closely. So, have I missed something? I'd LOVE to get hold of Motif libs for Linux for $100! Regards, Joe Pannon ";-1;0 "From: rda771v@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (A.B. Wuysang) Subject: Re: exit codes (dos--sorry for wrong group : ( Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr19.170631.17598@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes: > >Hey now. First of all, sorry to post this DOS question in a WINDOWS >group, but I'm in kinda a hurry, so I can't scramble to find the dos >groups' names. > >Anyway, anyone know where I ccan find the exit codes to DOS commands? There are 3 alternatives: 1. You can try to write a small C program something like: int my_int_var; my_int_var = system(""command""); and display my_int_var value (which is the exit code of the command). 2. Or use 4dos.com instead of command.com (it has built in move command) you can also get any program exist code by using the exec function of 4dos: c:\>echo %@exec[command] will display the exit code of the command. 3. Get DOS 6, not worth buying if you already have QEMM/PCTools/Norton, and you only need the move utility. >the manual doesn't seem to have all of them. I'm particularly looking >for COPY, in order to make a ""move"" batch file, such that if the file >wasn't coppied properly, it won't be deleted. > > >please e'mail louray@seas.gwu.edu >Thanks, I.A, >Mickey >-- >pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu >ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray >|||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* >\\\\ | ""well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..""(gd) +---------------------------------------------------+ | Agus Budy Wuysang | | Digitech Student | | Monash University (Clayton) | | Melbourne, Australia | +---------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de (Andreas Heinbokel) Subject: LOOKING for AD PC-Board Reply-To: heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de Organization: Universitaet Hannover, Theoretische Nachrichtentechnik Lines: 41 This is for a friend of mine. Please send answers directly to him (E-Mail adress see below )! HIGHSPEED ANALOG-DIGITAL PC-BOARD Hello LAdies and Gentleman ! I am looking for a highspeed A/D PC-Board with a sampling rate above 250 MHz an a resolution of 8-bit. The sampling rate can be arranged by an interleave mode where the time equivalent sampling yields 2, 4 or 8 times higher sampling rate than the A/D-Converter uses in non interleave mode. The board must content an A/D-Converter similar to Analog Devices AD 9028 or AD 9038 or if available a faster on. If you a PC-Board (16-bit slot, ISA) with this specification or better, please send me an EMail hansch@cdc2.ikph.uni-hannover.dbp.de or a Telefax to: ++49 / 511 / 7629353 Thanks in advance for your help ! Sincerely Matthias Hansch IKPH, University of Hannover, Germany --- Andreas Heinbokel heinboke@tnt.uni-hannover.de *** ... all wisdom is print on t-shirts *** ";-1;0 "From: krh@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (kenneth.r.hackbarth) Subject: Re: Quicken 6 vs. Tobias' Managing Your Money Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Keywords: Quicken Tobias Lines: 19 I've never had quicken but I did use MYM in it's early days. I have MS Money for Windows now and a financial planning package called Wealthbuilder by Reality Technologies and Money Magazine. P.S. I also do my taxes with Turbo Tax. All of these packages are good in their own way but none of them really support me in doing what I really need to do - manage my finances. The first company that comes along with a Windows based package that: manages budgets and accounts manages loans calculates taxes uses all of the above and knowledge about my investing philosophy to help me invest in the right investment vehicles, and integrates it all together will have my business for life. Ken khackbarth@attmail.com ";-1;0 "From: fleice_mike@tandem.com (Mike Fleice) Subject: Last call: S/W wizard position at Tandem (Cupertino CA) Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.252.132.77 Organization: Tandem Computers Incorporated, Cupertino, CA Lines: 28 Well, we got some responses and are doing some interviews with interesting responders. However, just in case the other posting was overlooked by an incredibly talented person ... Mea Culpa for posting this here for Mike, but we're looking for someone special: Tandem Computers is currently looking for a software wizard to help us architect & implement a fault-tolerant generalized instrumentation subsystem as part of our proprietary operating system kernel (TNS Kernel). The TNS Kernel is a proprietary, loosely-coupled parallel, message-based operating system. The TNS Kernel has wide connectivity to open standards. In this key individual contributor role, you will work with other developers working on various components of the Transaction Management Facility. Your background needs to encompass some of the following 4 categories (3 of 4 would be excellent): Category 1. Math: Working knowledge of statistics, real analysis, as used in experimental physics or chemistry, or in engineering. Category 2. Working knowledge of telemetry issues-- i.e. time series, autocorrelation, and statistical correlation of data streams. Category 3. Integration & Test -- Instrumentation of systems under test, i.e. payloads, flight modules, etc. Category 4: Software Engineering: programming skills, algorithms, and systems software techniques. Please send your resume to Mike Fleice, Tandem Computers 10555 Ridgeview Ct., LOC 100-27, Cupertino, CA 95014-0789; Fax (408) 285-0813; or e-mail fleice_mike@tandem.com ";-1;0 "From: gemmellj@merrimack.edu Subject: e-mail to the hill ?? Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA Lines: 4 Now, that Clinton can get e-mail, i'm wondering if Congress is also going on line.. If so, does anyone have the address to reach them?? I'm also looking for Bill's e-mail address. please e-mail me, i am not a regualar reader of this newsgrouop. ";18;1 "From: henslelf@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Lige F Hensley) Subject: Re: 68HC16 public domain software? Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-26.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Keywords: 68hc16 In article writes: > Does anyone know of an FTP site where I might find public > domain software for the Motorola 68HC16 microprocessor? > I am looking for a basic interpreter/compilier or a 'C' > compiler. Thanks in advance. > Ed Murashie Yep, at: oak.oakland.edu they have a couple different 68HC16 things in /pub/msdos/emulators and get the file 00-index.txt for a list of what they have. lige ";-1;0 "From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Subject: Re: CLINTON: President's Trip to Pittsburg [sic] Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 37 In article <1ql6bgINNklu@life.ai.mit.edu> Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) writes: > STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY > The President will travel to Pittsburgh on Saturday, April >17 to talk about his job creation plan and its impact on the >state of Pennsylvania, where it would create as many as 3,818 ^^^^^ ^^^^^ *Would*? Ha Haaaa Haa ha haAA How the hell can they come up with a number, specified to the units column, on something as complicated as this? Face it, it's the perceptions that matter here, folks, not the facts. Especially this one: >full time jobs and up to 21,240 summer jobs. He will make a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, that means over 7200 new jobs for Allegheny county (metro Pgh) alone! Haaaa HAAA ha HA HAAA heh heh HAAAA Doing what? I hope it's fixing the potholes on my street. Let's face it, folks, we're in a depression and this is the WPA. Clinton's really coming here to beat on Sen. Arlen Specter, who happens to be vacationing in Africa (Don't know whether to laugh or cry) -- ** Casimir J. (Casey) Palowitch - In 1996, there will be two kinds ** ** Slavic Cataloger - of computer professional : those ** ** U. of Pgh. Library Systems - who know NeXTStep, and those ** ** cjp+@pitt.edu - without Jobs. ** ";-1;0 "From: passman@world.std.com (Shirley L Passman) Subject: Help with motherboard w/no docs Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 20 Well, I was told that my last message came through without anything in it, so I'll try again. I have a Leading Edge 386SX 16 with a flaky motherboard and a friend game me one to replace it, but he didn't have any docs for the mother board. It's a CHEERTRON board with Award bios and has a sticker on it that says VI 1 T1 3 T2 3 on it. I can tell what most of the switches on the blue blocks mean. except FDC and SH, but I have no idea about all the jumpers. I've replaced hard drives and modems and installed math co-processes, but this is a bit out of my league and without the docs, I'm really lost. If anyone could give me some help on this, I'd really appreciate it. I don't get on news regularly, so if you can help, please e-mail me at passman@world.std.com Thanks. -- Shirl ";-1;0 "From: oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni) Subject: SUMMARY: Borland/Microsoft Database C Libraries Organization: Orbital Engine Company Lines: 384 Well, I'm amazed at how successful this exercise was. I received 20 responses and 4 requests for summary. Thanks to everyone who made it possible. On my own I was able to find out about Codebase, Accsys, and Q+E. Codebase and Accsys are C libraries without SQL. Q+E is a Windows application that can be communicated through Windows DDE calls, where you send a SQL string and receive the results. Most people wrote to tell me about the Paradox Engine from Borland. Other products mentioned were: Microsoft's ODBC, Accsys, Quadbase, Codebase, RBASE, and Q+E. Only ODBC, Quadbase, RBASE, and Q+E have SQL. For myself, I decided on Codebase, mostly because it has an ANSI C portability version that runs under DOS, UNIX, etc, and includes the source code, and portability is important in my application. It works with DBASE, FoxPro, or Clipper files. However, I feel that Microsoft's ODBC looks very promising. It's mostly a formalisation of building and submitting SQL queries, and formatting query results. As the responses say, it's available via ftp, except it's effectively unusuable without two manuals: the ""ODBC Programmer's Reference"" and the ""ODBC SDK Guide"". Moreover, ODBC doesn't actually interpret SQL and liase with databases, that's up to drivers that should be provided by database manufacturers. Also, it's Windows only (it's actually an extension to the Windows SDK). Nevertheless, it's a start at a SQL interface standard, and should make life interesting in the future. Here's my original post, followed by the responses, separated by a line of asterisks (*). > Does anyone know if Borland or Microsoft have libraries for accessing > their respective databases (Paradox, FoxPro) from within C programs? > I'd really like to be able to build a SQL query string and pass it > to a function which returns the query results in some format. Failing > that, any other access would still be better than nothing. > > I'd also like to hear of third party libraries for doing the same thing. > > If other people are interested, I'll prepare a summary of what I'm > told and post it. > > Thanks to all. **************************************************************************** Borland has a product called Paradox Engine that does just what you want. The current version is 3.0, which is fully compatible with (ack) Paradox 4.0. (Why the versions are different, I don't know. PD Engine 2.0 was compatible with Pdox 3.0 and 3.5...). It consists of a rather broad library of functions for accesing database files from both Pascal (I think turbo Pascal 5.5 and up) and C (I think either Microsoft or Borland). Now.. reading the box... it's ""Borland Paradox Engine & Database Frameworks"". Works with any Borland C/C++, Mocrosoft C 6.01 or later, Turbo C++ for Windows, Turbo Pascal 6.0 or later, TP for Windows 1.0 or later. For Framework applications, BC++ 3.0 or later or MS C/C++ 7.0. It does have support for object useage... I haven't had a real chance to really use it myself... but it looks fairly complete... I'm planning to use it this summer. -Rick -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Rick Osterberg osterber@husc.harvard.edu 617-493-7784 617-493-3892 | | 2032 Harvard Yard Mail Center Cambridge, MA 02138-7510 USA | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ **************************************************************************** Borland has a product which is called Paradox Engine. I do not know about MS. The paradox engine I know very well, and it definitiely not a replacement for SQL, but it will enable you to save and restore records, has locking, et al. Supposedly the Paradox for Windows was impemented on top of it. --------------------------------------------------------- Charles Parker Phone.(800) 669 9165 Technical Support (617) 498 3321 CenterLine Software, Inc. Fax.(617) 868 6655 cparker@centerline.com cyberspace momma, don't let yer children grow up to be ^ cowboys ... --------------------------------------------------------- **************************************************************************** I know Borland has a library of routines for accessing PARADOX from within a C program. They recently came out with version 3.0. This works with both Borland and Microsoft's C compiler. shailesh bhobe (708) 979-7101 att!psp!smb2 **************************************************************************** MS has put their ODBC SDK into the public domain; it's _big_ (I believe 1.8 MB), but worth downloading over a fast link. Look at ftp.uu.net in vendor/microsoft/odbc-sdk. Also some companies are starting to provide SQL engines; I just got one for RBASE, not exactly cheap at $450, but it allows programs in C or VBASIC (under DOS or Windows) to talk to data bases using SQL functions in your code. hth Walter Knopf Fermilab knopf@fnal.fnal.gov **************************************************************************** Check out the ODBC toolikt from Microsoft. It is available on ftp.uu.net:vendor/microsoft/odbc-sdk. This is the way that we've chosen to access databases from all of our apps. mj -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | PPPPP SSSSSIIIIII Specialists in MS-Windows and Windows-NT Development | | PP PPSS II Call for information about our OOA/OOD tool: OOAiD. | | PPPPP SSSS II Michaeljon Miller mikem@apertus.com | | PP SS II Proficient Solutions, Inc. 612-860-2181 | | PP SSSSS IIIIII 2877 Holmes Ave So. #5 Minneapolis, MN 55408 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ **************************************************************************** Borland sells the ""Paradox Engine"" which is a C language interface to Paradox, dBase, Btrieve, ans ASCI files. They also sell ""Database Frameworks"" which includes the engine plus a collection (with source) of C++ classes for using the engine. -- Earl Roethke eroethke@ems.cdc.com **************************************************************************** I actualy have Paradox Engine. It is a library of functions (large model) for accessing the Paradox's databases. It seems to be working fine, but I never did try it thouroughly. It costs ~200$. Hope it will help you... From: David Lefebvre **************************************************************************** Borland provides a database lib called Paradox Engine which can access and use the database files aswell as many other things. Gary. -- ``````````` bell@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au ````````````````````````````````````` | Gary Bell | | Department of Robotics and Digital Technology | |Faculty of Computing, Caulfield Campus, Monash University, Australia | **************************************************************************** Paradox Engine is the library for Paradox . Artur Babecki artur@ii.uj.edu.pl **************************************************************************** Borland sells the Paradox Engine -- which has all the Paradox calls in it. Its hardly SQL though. You can do searches on key fields and on indivual fields, but no comparison operators like <, >=.... so its pretty painful (in my opinion) do do anything besides simple retrieval and inserts/updates. I'm currently using it (I have an eval copy..) and I've linked it in to some entry screens I've written. The Engine library adds about 100K to the size of the program, but you can load it as an overlay using Borland's VROOM manager. Now Borland claims that later versions of the engine will have SQL support but they don't really expect it till late in the year... or even next year They are trying to get thrid parties to help out.. If you have any other questions -- let me know... Mike Kamlet mike@vpnet.chi.il.us **************************************************************************** Yes, borland sells their Paradox Engine separately. It has C, C++, and Pascal interfaces, although the underlying interface is in 'C'. Well at least for version 2.0 of the Engine which I have (costed $99 at Egghead). They now have version 3.0 of the engine, and a separate C++ class package for it. -- Michael D. Kersenbrock ADC Kentrox - Portland, Oregon michaelk@kentrox.com uunet!kentrox!michaelk **************************************************************************** I've used AccSys for Paradox (new version is almost ready for Paradox 4.0) to access Paradox files from C. Its pretty good. Not SQL though. Have heard of Borland Paradox Engine or some such which is supposed to do likewise, but not sure of what it is exactly. Hope this helps, good luck! chris From: fernand@slinky.cs.nyu.edu (Christopher Fernandes) **************************************************************************** Borland sells their ""Paradox Engine (3.0)"". It's a library of functions for accessing paradox DB files. It comes with libraries for: MS C 7.0 BCC 3.1 Turbo Pascal (v??) and I believe it comes with Turbo Pascal/Win libraries as well. The C libraries come in both DOS and Windows flavors (the win stuff being dll's). When I got it, it also came with Crystal Reports which is a graphical report generator. It allows you to create a generic form and use it within a compiled program using Pdox Engine. I don't know if they still offer it or what the current price is, I paid something like $50-$60 for an upgrade from the earlier version though... Hope this helps... -David Taylor --- | ->> The Commander <<-- | It is easier to change the | |Internet: gt2847c@prism.gatech.edu| specification to fit the program | | Also: dtaylor@cfd.gatech.edu | than vice-versa. | | And: root@cfd.gatech.edu | -Author Unknown (but very wise :-) | **************************************************************************** If you want to do SQL from within your programs, check out QuadBase. I don't have their address oops -- yes I do! : QuadBase Systems, Inc. 790 Lucerne Dr #51 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 (USA) phone: 408-738-6989 (voice) 408-738-6980 (fax) Ask for the SQL/Win demo disk. It looked good to me (I have a background in embedded SQL in Ingres -- this looked real similar). It's a little expensive, but if you order the demo and then just wait they will probably send you a special offer that'll probably run about $500 US. Good luck! Best, Tom DeLosh From: delosh@emunix.emich.edu (Tom Delosh) **************************************************************************** Borland has the Paradox Engine library. It has libraries for both C and Pascal to access Paradox files under DOS/Windows. But for Paradox, I believe you'd have buy have the SQL Link since Pdox itself isn't SQL compliant. I've used the engine for over a year now and have been pretty satisfied with it. Under DOS, it's a real pig. It tacks on about 120K to the size of your programs. tim ma associate programmer university of utah email: tim@src.cppa.utah.edu **************************************************************************** I don't know about Microsoft, but Borland sells the Paradox Engine for C/C++ & Pascal (in one package). And if you want dBase compatible files there is a library called CodeBase from Sequiter software that works with C/C++. From: davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com (David J. Ray) **************************************************************************** We're using Q+E database libraries to do what you describe. It's a set of DLL's accessed through a common API to talk to most of the major database formats. We're using it to build an application that queries several databases using SQL queries. _All_ access using Q+E is done using SQL. The package is available through Microway in Melbourne. I believe it is produced by Pioneer Systems in the US. We have no association with Microway or Pioneer Systems other than being satisfied customers. Feel free to mail me for further information. Chris (Programming for NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Hutchinson Box U302 Research Programmer University of New England chris@sulaw.law.su.OZ.AU Armidale NSW 2351 (067) 727 014 **************************************************************************** Paradox Engine 3.0 provides a complete set of C libraries for accessing Paradox tables. However, it seems that it supports only Borland/Turbo C and MicroSoft C. When I tried to compile the engine's sample applications with the Waterloo WATCOM C/C++ (32-bit) compiler, it complains that the library file LLIBCE.LIB is missing even though I am quite certain that the file is NOT part of WATCOM C or the engine. Anybody have any success with other C compilers? Ron.K.Ng@hydro.on.ca -------------------- **************************************************************************** I'm currently developing an app. with Borland's ""Paradox Engine for C"" (it also comes in Pascal), which has recently gone to version 3.0 (I.e., PX Engine 3.0 is compatible with Paradox 4.0, and downward compat. w/3.5). There are indeed C libs for Fox access, but I can't think of the names offhand - I'm sure someone has already written you in that regard - (I think I just saw an add for a Fox lib in the ""C Users Journal"", which is a good place to look for this type of package in general, by the way). I've been paying my dues to learn a lot of the quirks of PX Eng. over the past year - wouldn't recommend it for a complex multiuser app.--but I'm staying with it for now--it's like a bad marriage: I've got too much time invested in learning and work-arounds! But if your interest is limited to a simple single-user interface (you want to build your own SQL engine, I take it), PX Engine will do the job easily - it doesn't sound like you'll be bumping into any of the gotchas. If you do, write me; I may be able to point you in the right direction. From: raymond@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us (raymond) **************************************************************************** Borland has a ""Paradox Engine and Database Framework 3.0"" which gives you a ""C"" (and assembler?) API to Paradox databases. This is part of ""BOCA"" -- Borland's Object Component Architecture. They have technical briefs on BOCA, PdoxEng, and other products of theirs. From: jdm@jumbo.Read.TASC.COM (James D. McNamara) ------------------- James D. McNamara | TASC -------------------- 55 Walkers Brook Drive | Reading, MA 01867-3238 | 617-942-2000x2948 **************************************************************************** -- John Bongiovanni, Systems Analyst, Orbital Engine Company, Perth, Australia oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au, bongo@alumni.caltech.edu Opinions expressed are my own and not those of my organisation. ";-1;0 "From: umsmith@mcs.drexel.edu (Mathew Scott Smith) Subject: Axion Serial port switcher: Good or bad? Organization: Drexel University Lines: 26 Hi! I'm looking into buying a serial port switcher, because while my Mac has two serial ports, I have AppleTalk, a modem, a printer, MIDI, and a sound digitizer. (2 != 5, unfortunately.) Specifically, I'm looking at the Axion electronic switcher, because it seems to be fairly cheap. (About $128 at MacZone.) Does anyone know anything about it? I've heard that with most of these things you can still only use 2 serial ports at a time, it just prevents you from physically swapping cables. Although I've also heard that programs that use the Comm Toolbox may be able to use as many serial ports as they want; does anyone know if this is true with the Axion switchbox? Finally, if the Axion stinks, or if you're using something else that you think is good, I'd be interested in hearing about other products. I would like to spend under $140, if possible. Please reply through mail; I'm not a regular reader of this newsgroup. If there's interest, I can post a summary of replies. Thanks a lot! M. Scott Smith (umsmith@mcs.drexel.edu) ";-1;0 "From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 06/10 - Public Key Cryptography Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 108 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 6 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Public Key Cryptography. Basics of public-key cryptography. The RSA version, its security, speed of factoring. Other approaches. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part06 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 6: Public-Key Cryptography This is the sixth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents: * What is public-key cryptography? * What's RSA? * Is RSA secure? * How fast can people factor numbers? * What about other public-key cryptosystems? * What is public-key cryptography? In a classic cryptosystem, we have encryption functions E_K and decryption functions D_K such that D_K(E_K(P)) = P for any plaintext P. In a public-key cryptosystem, E_K can be easily computed from some ``public key'' X which in turn is computed from K. X is published, so that anyone can encrypt messages. If D_K cannot be easily computed from X, then only the person who generated K can decrypt messages. That's the essence of public-key cryptography, published by Diffie and Hellman in 1976. In a classic cryptosystem, if you want your friends to be able to send secret messages to you, you have to make sure nobody other than them sees the key K. In a public-key cryptosystem, you just publish X, and you don't have to worry about spies. This is only the beginning of public-key cryptography. There is an extensive literature on security models for public-key cryptography, applications of public-key cryptography, other applications of the mathematical technology behind public-key cryptography, and so on. * What's RSA? RSA is a public-key cryptosystem defined by Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman. For full details, there is a FAQ available by ftp at RSA.COM. Here's a small example. Plaintexts are positive integers up to 2^{512}. Keys are quadruples (p,q,e,d), with p a 256-bit prime number, q a 258-bit prime number, and d and e large numbers with (de - 1) divisible by (p-1)(q-1). We define E_K(P) = P^e mod pq, D_K(C) = C^d mod pq. Now E_K is easily computed from the pair (pq,e)---but, as far as anyone knows, there is no easy way to compute D_K from the pair (pq,e). So whoever generates K can publish (pq,e). Anyone can send a secret message to him; he is the only one who can read the messages. * Is RSA secure? Nobody knows. An obvious attack on RSA is to factor pq into p and q. See below for comments on how fast state-of-the-art factorization algorithms run. Unfortunately nobody has the slightest idea how to prove that factorization---or any realistic problem at all, for that matter---is inherently slow. It is easy to formalize what we mean by ``RSA is/isn't strong''; but, as Hendrik W. Lenstra, Jr., says, ``Exact definitions appear to be necessary only when one wishes to prove that algorithms with certain properties do _not_ exist, and theoretical computer science is notoriously lacking in such negative results.'' * How fast can people factor numbers? It depends on the size of the numbers. In October 1992 Arjen Lenstra and Dan Bernstein factored 2^523 - 1 into primes, using about three weeks of MasPar time. (The MasPar is a 16384-processor SIMD machine; each processor can add about 200000 integers per second.) The algorithm there is called the ``number field sieve''; it is quite a bit faster for special numbers like 2^523 - 1 than for general numbers n, but it takes time only about exp(O(log^{1/3} n log^{2/3} log n)) in any case. An older and more popular method for smaller numbers is the ``multiple polynomial quadratic sieve'', which takes time exp(O(log^{1/2} n log^{1/2} log n))---faster than the number field sieve for small n, but slower for large n. The breakeven point is somewhere between 100 and 150 digits, depending on the implementations. Factorization is a fast-moving field---the state of the art just a few years ago was nowhere near as good as it is now. If no new methods are developed, then 2048-bit RSA keys will always be safe from factorization, but one can't predict the future. (Before the number field sieve was found, many people conjectured that the quadratic sieve was asymptotically as fast as any factoring method could be.) * What about other public-key cryptosystems? We've talked about RSA because it's well known and easy to describe. But there are lots of other public-key systems around, many of which are faster than RSA or depend on problems more widely believed to be difficult. This has been just a brief introduction; if you really want to learn about the many facets of public-key cryptography, consult the books and journal articles listed in part 10. ";-1;0 "From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) Subject: Re: How difficult is it to get Penguin tickets? Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr18.201811.28965@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money) writes: >The subject line says it all. Is it terribly difficult to get tickets >to Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs? Would >it be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets? There are ALWAYS scalpers with tickets outside the Arena. You might have to pay a few bucks extra, but you can always find them. Look on the street under the message board, or out on the street in front of the Hyatt, or even around Gate 1. The later you buy them, the less money you'll pay, and during the regular season you could usually find some for near face value or below if you wait until game time. Might be better to pick them up earlier now, though. rick ";-1;0 "From: markus@octavia.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn) Subject: HDF readers/viewers Organization: Australian National University, Canberra Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.35 Originator: markus@octavia G'day all, Can anybody point me at a utility which will read/convert/crop/whatnot/ display HDF image files ? I've had a look at the HDF stuff under NCSA and it must take an award for odd directory structure, strange storage approaches and minimalist documentation :-) Part of the problem is that I want to look at large (5MB+) HDF files and crop out a section. Ideally I would like a hdftoppm type of utility, from which I can then use the PBMplus stuff quite merrily. I can convert the cropped part into another format for viewing/animation. Otherwise, can someone please explain how to set up the NCSA Visualisation S/W for HDF (3.2.r5 or 3.3beta) and do the above cropping/etc. This is for Suns with SunOS 4.1.2. Any help GREATLY appreciated. Ta muchly ! Cheers, Markus -- Markus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au Australian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia. [International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747] -- Markus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au Australian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia. [International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747] ";-1;0 "From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge) Subject: Re: Teenage acne Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 57 pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Pat Churchill) writes: >My 14-y-o son has the usual teenage spotty chin and greasy nose. I >bought him Clearasil face wash and ointment. I think that is probably >enough, along with the usual good diet. However, he is on at me to >get some product called Dalacin T, which used to be a >doctor's-prescription only treatment but is not available over the >chemist's counter. I have asked a couple of pharmacists who say >either his acne is not severe enough for Dalacin T, or that Clearasil >is OK. I had the odd spots as a teenager, nothing serious. His >father was the same, so I don't figure his acne is going to escalate >into something disfiguring. But I know kids are senstitive about >their appearance. I am wary because a neighbour's son had this wierd >malady that was eventually put down to an overdose of vitamin A from >acne treatment. I want to help - but with appropriate treatment. >My son also has some scaliness around the hairline on his scalp. Sort >of teenage cradle cap. Any pointers/advice on this? We have tried a >couple of anti dandruff shampoos and some of these are inclined to >make the condition worse, not better. >Shall I bury the kid till he's 21 :) :) No...I was one of the lucky ones. Very little acne as a teenager. I didn't have any luck with clearasil. Even though my skin gets oily it really only gets miserable pimples when it's dry. Frequent lukewarm water rinses on the face might help. Getting the scalp thing under control might help (that could be as simple as submerging under the bathwater till it's softened and washing it out). Taking a one a day vitamin/mineral might help. I've heard iodine causes trouble and that it is used in fast food restaurants to sterilize equipment which might be where the belief that greasy foods cause acne came from. I notice grease on my face, not immediately removed will cause acne (even from eating meat). Keeping hair rinse, mousse, dip, and spray off the face will help. Warm water bath soaks or cloths on the face to soften the oil in the pores will help prevent blackheads. Body oil is hydrophilic, loves water and it softens and washes off when it has a chance. That's why hair goes limp with oilyness. Becoming convinced that the best thing to do with a whitehead is leave it alone will save him days of pimple misery. Any prying of black or whiteheads can cause infections, the red spots of pimples. Usually a whitehead will break naturally in a day and there won't be an infection afterwards. Tell him that it's normal to have some pimples but the cosmetic industry makes it's money off of selling people on the idea that they are an incredible defect to be hidden at any cost (even that of causing more pimples). -Jackie- ";4;1 "From: wjhovi01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Subject: Re: Why do people become atheists? Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 13 Undoubtedly people adopt atheism for many reasons, but I suspect that a biggie is that the God they've believed in is (in J.B. Phillips's words) ""too small"". If a person's understanding of God is not allowed to grow and develop, it will eventually become inadequate. The grey-haired gentleman on a throne who was a comforting image in childhood becomes a joke. A therapist friend of mine sometimes suggests to her clients that they ""fire God"". What she means by that is letting go of an inadequate understanding of God to make room for a fuller one. But she follows up by encouraging them to ""hire a new one"". My guess is that a lot of folks go through the firing process, but are not adequately supported in the subsequent re-hire. billh ";17;1 "From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Subject: Re: Route Suggestions? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) Organization: Columbia University Distribution: usa Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr20.173413.29301@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> mdc2@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (corrado,mitchell) writes: >In article <1qmm5dINNnlg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) writes: >> 55E -> I-81/I-66E. After this point the route is presently undetermined >> into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6). Suggestions > >If you do make it into New York state, the Palisades Interstate Parkway is a >pleasant ride (beautiful scenery, good road surface, minimal traffic). You ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Been a while since you hit the PIP? The pavement (at least until around exit 9) is for sh*t these days. I think it must have taken a beating this winter, because I don't remember it being this bad. It's all breaking apart, and there are some serious potholes now. Of course there are also the storm drains that are *in* your lane as opposed to on the side of the road (talk about annoying cost saving measures). As for traffic, don't try it around 5:15 - 6:30 on weekdays (outbound, rush hour happens inbound too) as there are many BDC's... <...> <...> > '\ Mitch Corrado > / DEC \======== mdc2@panther.tnds.bellcore.com ------- ""This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday."" - Temple of the Dog Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.| '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- | NYC, NY. | ";-1;0 "From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 63 From article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: > You are loosing. > > There is no question about it. > > Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter > how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. Only irrational fools such as yourself are set against RKBA. There are *plenty* of people who support it. > This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your > RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty. The government will be overthrown *long* before that happens. A *huge* millitia composed of all available men and women who care about their country will defeat the forces of the evil Klintonistas. The people *will* prevail! Oh, so you think armed citizens alone can't overthrow the government? Consider this: do you think *all* law enforcement officials and members of the Armed Forces will turn against the people that they are entrusted to serve? Not hardly. You can count on a lot of people in the Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy, National Guard, police officers, and so on joining in the cause to defend the liberties and freedoms of American citizens. COUNT ON IT! THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DISARM EVERYONE WITHOUT STARTING A CIVIL WAR! > You had better discover ways to make do without firearms. The number of > cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. There is nothing you > can do about it. Those who live by the sword shall die by it. > > The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against > you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! > > Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect Wrong again. People will just hide their guns so these ""officers"" (more like jack-booted stormtroopers) will not be able to find them. > them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. > Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an > immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. They will unless they are idiots. They will realize that if they don't then they will be *next* including you. Believe me if what you describe happens they will be coming for *more* than guns. Disarming citizens would require that everyone's cherished freedoms and liberties be suspended temporarily. More likely, they'd never be restored unless the *people* do something about it. > Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions > are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will > be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot Before: ""David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the Bible through the barrel of a gun..."" --ATF spokesman After: ""[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..."" --Me ";-1;0 "From: rvloon@cv.ruu.NL (Ronald van Loon) Subject: Announcing the Motif++ mailing list Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group Lines: 132 NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu Keywords: mailinglist, motif++ To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu I am glad and proud to announce the new mailing-list for the PD Motif C++ bindings. I got over 40 replies in about one week of people interested in such a list, and the software has now been properly installed, so the list is now up and running. For those interested in joining, please send e-mail to that extend to 'motif++-request@cv.ruu.nl' or 'rvloon@cv.ruu.nl'. The blurb everyone who joins gets follows, as well as the original announcement for where Motif++ can be obtained. Enjoy! 8< - 8< - Welcome to the Motif++ Mailing List! The Motif++ mailing list is a mailing list dedicated to Motif++, the PD C++ wrapper library for Motif, where people can ask questions about Motif++, swap stories, and give new ideas about new directions and improvements for the bindings. All requests of an administrative nature, like subscription, removal, etc. should be directed to motif++-request@cv.ruu.nl All e-mail sent to motif++@cv.ruu.nl will be sent to the entire list, so please make sure when using 'vacation' type programs that will reply to messages automatically, that the address for the mailing-list is excluded from auto-replies. Enjoy! Ronald van Loon | In theory, there is no difference (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) | between theory and practice. 3DCV Group, Utrecht | The Netherlands | In practice however, there is. 8< - 8< - Hello Motif World, over the past half year there have been a lot of relatively minor changes to the Motif++ bindings. Imake support has been improved, a few defaults have been changed, and a lot of other small things have been added. This is basically a release which drops the 'gamma' status. Next release will incorporate some improvements by Stefan Schwarz, and possibly will support X11R5 and Motif 1.2.x. Note to all of those who keep copies of the archive: please retrieve this distribution (during off-peak hours), and delete all previous copies. Here is the original ANNOUNCEMENT: HISTORY The University of Lowell, supported by a grant of the Open Software Foundation, has developed a wrapper-library, that encapsulates Motif widgets in C++ classes. All resources of these Widgets can now be set through member-functions, while objects can be used in callback-functions. The library was made available for free or nominal cost for anonymous ftp at 129.63.1.1. However, the library contained a large number of bugs and oversights, and only worked under X11R3. Due to lack of subsequent fundings, the bindings are no longer actively supported by the University of Lowell. I, Ronald van Loon, at a certain point last year, have taken the Lowell bindings, fixing the bugs I came across, adding missing memberfunctions, and enhancing functionality and made the bug-fixed library available for the general public for anonymous ftp (made possible by Rick Murphy at DEC). NEW RELEASE I am now pleased to announce a new and updated release of the Motif++ bindings. This release offers: - Full Motif1.1 and X11R4 support - Support for Xbae widgetset - Two additional widgets, written by myself, that can be used to indicate progress in an application. - Imake support. NB: this release relies heavily on the existence of imake and its config files on your site. I have tried to provide the bindings with a standard Makefile, tweakable for those unfortunates without imake. I have not severely tested the standard Makefile though. Contact me if you have problems. The reason for calling this a gamma release lies in the fact that I do not have a multitude of platforms to test the Imake-files on. - Lots of testfiles (even somewhat useful programs) - An article I wrote on the usage of Motif, X and C++, previously posted on Usenet. WHERE TO GET THE NEW MOTIF BINDINGS Ftp: Anonymous ftp at decuac.dec.com (192.5.214.1), directory /pub/X11. Note: Please be patient as the network link is quite slow. Please do not FTP large files during working hours. Also note that there is also a motif++.31.jan.92.tar.Z file at this site; this is an old version of the bindings. E-mail: Those who don't have ftp can send me e-mail, and I will send the bindings by e-mail. REQUEST Those who use the bindings and find bugs, or see room for improvement, please contact me, and I will try to incorporate them in a future release (in case of bugs, a bug-fix of course ;-). MORE INFORMATION Contact me at ""rvloon@cv.ruu.nl"". If you are desperate, then you can call me at +31 30 506711 (that is Utrecht, the Netherlands; those within the Netherlands call 030-506711). Enjoy! -- Ronald van Loon | In theory, there is no difference (rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) | between theory and practice. 3DCV Group, Utrecht | The Netherlands | In practice however, there is. ";-1;0 "From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Pendor, UnLtd. Lines: 35 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com Comments: Originator: elf@halcyon.com In article <1993Apr16.200354.8045@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >Actually, I bet you more gay/bi men are as not as promiscuous as gay men, >because more of them could have the ""option"" of living a straight life, and >with social pressures, probably would at least try. Geez, where have you been, Ryan? I proposed this theory *months* ago. Let's take it one step further, even. If, as the surveys show, up to 33% of all men have *had* a homosexual encounter, then there must be an even *larger* percentage of people who have had homosexual erotic fantasies. But if less than 10% of the population is gay, what can we say about these people who don't identify as gay but have demonstrated gay potential. Obviously, a large chunk of these people *chose* (or, more accurately, were forced to choose by force of religion and social sanction) to put those feelings aside, to be heterosexual. Obviously, Cramer and Kaldis fall into this category. These people are the ones who are so hung up on ""choice."" Obviously, since *they chose*, everyone must have, and homosexuals are just flaunting their ""perversion"" by choosing not to go along with what society has dictated. Of course, I'm that most awful of perverts. I chose, I gleefully admit that I was heterosexual until I met the right man and *chose* to indulge in my homoerotic potential. Take that! Elf !!! -- elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) ""The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure pure reasoning, and inhibit clarity. With a little pratice, writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog!"" - Bill Watterson's Calvin. ";-1;0 "From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) Subject: Re: Yankees win home opener Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 14 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu In article <93105.124117RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes: } In article <1993Apr14.175545.3528@alleg.edu>, millits@yankee.org (Sam } Millitello) says: } } i'm telling you, sam, three l's. call up mom and ask. } } bob vesterman. } yeah, and in case even that isn't enough to prompt boy genius ""Sam"" to pick up a paper and see how ""his"" name is spelled, here's another hint: the single ""L"" comes between the two ""I""s... -*- charles ";-1;0 "From: simon@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: St. Maria Goretti Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 125 Heres the life of St. MAria Goretti, posted with kind permission of the editor of the Australian Catholic Magazine ""Morning Star"". Hope you like it. Put up with anything to prevent sin St. Maria Goretti Maria was born on October 16th 1890 to Luigi and Assunta Goretti, the eldest daughter in the family of seven. She was a cheerful girl, always imitating her parents. She had but one disire, but one wish: to receive our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. The date was finally set for little Maria to receive our Lord on the feast of Corpus Christi. For Maria, time seemed like an eter- nity as she slowly neared the great day. When it finally arrived, Fr. Jerome( the priest who was to celebrate the Mass and give the children their First Holy Communion) delivered a sermon on the immense love of Jesus Christ for them and the great love we should have in return for Him. He then warmly urged them to die rather than commit a mortal sin. Maria humbly approached the Altar of God and received the Holy Eucharist. Her only sadness was the thought of her father's absence, who died some time beforehand. As for the rest of the day, Maria remained under the spell of the divine visit; that is until -4- her thoughts changed to when she could go next to Holy Communion. Thus ended the happiest day of Maria's life. Over the next twelve months, Maria had changed from a giggling little girl into a quiet young lady with responsibilities. As her mother went out into the fields in place of her husband, Maria took on the ironing, cooking, washing and other motherly duties. She was doing this not only for her own family, but also for the Serenellis, a father and son who lived with the Goretti's, owning a share in the farm. Although Maria was poorer than all the other children, she by far surpassed them in virtue. In all thi ngs she did the Holy Will of God. During the month of June, Alessandro Serenelli(the son) twice made advances upon Maria when he chanced to be alone with her. On both occasions Maria managed to struggle free of Alessandro's strong grip, but on the second, he threatened to kill her if she even uttered a word to her mother. From this day on, Maria lived in terror, fearing lest Alessandro attack again. On July 5th 1902, Alessandro left work in the fields to ""get a handkerchief,"" as he claimed. He went to the storeroom beneath the house where Maria, who was outside on the landing with the baby, could hear him fumbling about in with tools. She wondered what he was doing. It was later learned that he was sharpening a 91/2"" blade. He went to the house and called for Maria. She told him she wouldn't go to him unless she knew why she was needed. He stormed out to the landing and dragged her up to her room. Mar ia instantly realized what he was up to. ""No, No, No! Do not touch me! It is a sin, you will go to Hell!"" At this point Alessandro held the knife over Maria's chest, who was now on the floor. ""Will you or will you not?"" Maria gathered all her energy. ""No I will not, Alessandro, no!"" She had chosen her martyrdom over sin, God over Satan. Overcome with rage, Alessandro plunged the knife into Maria's breast fourteen times. Finally he came to his senses and thought Maria was dead. Frantically he threw the knife behind a closet and locked himself in his room. The crying of the baby Teresa on the landing brought the attention to Assunta and the father of Alessandro. As the baby was unattended and was in danger of falling off, they ran to the house to find Maria, who, covered in blood, was dragging herself to the door. When asked what happened she said Alessandro stabbed her. ""He wanted to make me do wrong and I would not."" The ambulance arrived, then the police who took Alessandro away. As the ambulance carried Maria to the hospital, a large crowd followed on foot. The doctors at the hospital held no hope for poor little Maria. The same Fr. Jerome who gave Maria her First Communion -5- came to administer the last rites and to give her Holy Viaticum. He asked Maria if she would forgive her murderer. ""Yes. For the love of Jesus I forgive him. I wish for him to one day join me in Paradise. May God forgive him, for I alread y have."" Maria died at about three o'clock. Alessandro was tried and found guilty of Maria's death but because of his age he was sentenced to only thirty years in prison. After eight years of being a violent prisoner and show- ing no regret for his crime, he saw in a dream, in the midst of a field of flowers, Maria holding out a bunch of white lilies to him. Soon later he wrote to the local bishop, begging God's par- don for the grave sin he had committed. He later gave testimony in Maria's beatification in 1947. Less than three years later, on Ju ne 24th 1950, Maria was canonised. Assunta Goretti was the first mother ever to be present at her daughter's canonisation. May St. Maria Goretti help us to be pure and grant us the strength to die rather than commit a mortal sin. Saint Maria Goretti, pray for us. by Brendan Arthur -- Internet: simon@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au Viva Cristo Rey !! Long Live Christ the King. ";-1;0 "From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Distribution: na Lines: 26 Ted Dunning (ted@nmsu.edu) wrote: : : nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been : under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that : clinton has been president. this is not something that choosing : choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has : been in the works for some time. Actually, many of us have noted this. We have noted that the program started at least 4 years ago, that the contracts with VLSI Technology and Microtoxin were let at least 14 months ago, that production of the chips is well underway, and so forth. Nobody I know has claimed Clinton intitiated the program. But he chose to go ahead with it. -Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. ";16;1 "From: u2i02@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (RJ Pomeroy) Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Lines: 72 From article , by ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci): > Coming from a long line of ""hot tempered"" people, I know temper when I see > it. One of the tell tale signs/fruits that give non-christians away - is > when their net replies are acrid, angry and sarcastic. I do hope that you are not suggesting that merely because a person replies in an ""acrid, angry and sarcastic"" manner that this demonstrates their 'non-christianity'? The simple fact is that there is not a Christian on the face of the planet (that I know of!) that is perfect. I have been known at times to have a fit of temper, or a sulk, but this does not make me any the less a Christian. One of the points of being a Christian (as I perceive it) is to become MORE LIKE Christ. This statement inherently suggests that we ARE NOT already like Christ. Jesus never unrighteously lost his temper. I do. Jesus was perfect. I'm not. > We in the net village do have a laugh or two when professed, born again > christians verbally attack people who might otherwise have been won to > christianity and had originally joined the discussions because they were > ""spiritually hungry."" Instead of answering questions with sweetness and > sincerity, these chrisitan net-warriors, ""flame"" the queries. You must understand that this is because Christians often forget to treat others as our role-model - Christ - would. This is because we are human and falible. I, for one, do not pretend to be infalible, and I hope that my fellow-men will bear with me when I make mistakes. This surely is not too much to ask, when I make every effort to bear with _them_. > You don't need any enemies. You already do yourselves the greatest harm. And don't we know it! > Again I say, foolish, foolish, foolish. Again I say, we are ALL human! To my brethren, this: Ms Duticci has a valid point and we as Christians ought to heed the warning in her article. We oftimes discredit ourselves and our Saviour, in the way that we treat others. Strive towards the goal set us by our Lord, but in the meantime, remember : ""There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ..."" When you blow it - go easy on yourself. Forgive yourself, as your Father in heaven forgives you! And remember - and this is something I firmly beieve and cling to - one day, we shall see Him face to face, and in that day, we shall (finally!) be perfected. I look forward to seeing you there. RRRRR OO BBBBB : R R OO OO B B : R R OO OO B BB : Robert Pomeroy R RR O O B B : RRRR O O BBBBB : u2i02@teach.cs.keele.ac.uk R R O O B B : R R OO OO B BB : 1993 R R OO OO B B : R R OO BBBBB : PS If you want to draw anything to my attention, then please mail me direct, because I don't often read the news... PPS If I have offended anyone with this article, I beg your forgiveness, in advance! ";-1;0 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >>How many contridictions do you want to see? >>Good question. If I claim something is a general trend, then to disprove this, >>I guess you'd have to show that it was not a general trend. >No, if you're going to claim something, then it is up to you to prove it. >Think ""Cold Fusion"". Well, I've provided examples to show that the trend was general, and you (or others) have provided some counterexamples, mostly ones surrounding mating practices, etc. I don't think that these few cases are enough to disprove the general trend of natural morality. And, again, the mating practices need to be reexamined... >>Try to find ""immoral"" non-mating-related activities. >So you're excluding mating-related-activities from your ""natural morality""? No, but mating practices are a special case. I'll have to think about it some more. >>Yes, I think that the natural system can be objectively deduced with the >>goal of species propogation in mind. But, I am not equating the two >>as you so think. That is, an objective system isn't necessarily the >>natural one. >Are you or are you not the man who wrote: >""A natural moral system is the objective moral system that most animals > follow"". Indeed. But, while the natural system is objective, all objective systems are not the natural one. So, the terms can not be equated. The natural system is a subset of the objective ones. >Now, since homosexuality has been observed in most animals (including >birds and dolphins), are you going to claim that ""most animals"" have >the capacity of being immoral? I don't claim that homosexuality is immoral. It isn't harmful, although it isn't helpful either (to the mating process). And, when you say that homosexuality is observed in the animal kingdom, don't you mean ""bisexuality?"" >>>>Because we can't determine to what end we should be ""moral."" >Are you claiming to be a group? ""We"" usually implies more than one entity. This is standard jargon. Read any textbook. The ""we"" forms are used throughout. >>Well, I'm saying that these goals are not inherent. That is why they must >>be postulates, because there is not really a way to determine them >>otherwise (although it could be argued that they arise from the natural >>goal--but they are somewhat removed). >Postulate: To assume; posit. That's right. The goals themselves aren't inherent. >I can create a theory with a postulate that the Sun revolves around the >Earth, that the moon is actually made of green cheese, and the stars are >the portions of Angels that intrudes into three-dimensional reality. You could, but such would contradict observations. >I can build a mathematical proof with a postulate that given the length >of one side of a triangle, the length of a second side of the triangle, and >the degree of angle connecting them, I can determine the length of the >third side. But a postulate is something that is generally (or always) found to be true. I don't think your postulate would be valid. >Guess which one people are going to be more receptive to. In order to assume >something about your system, you have to be able to show that your postulates >work. Yes, and I think the goals of survival and happiness *do* work. You think they don't? Or are they not good goals? keith ";9;1 "From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) Subject: Re: Identify this bike for me Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.002937.9237 Distribution: usa Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr5.193804.18482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes: }first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing), }but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it. Additionally, As someone who was told quite firmly by 2 Honda sales/service weenies that there is no larger tank available for the Hawk (I have a '91 Hawk with the puny 3.2 gal tank), I'd be very interested to know if there is any decent aftermarket solution. I'd love to have at least a 4 gal tank. -- Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson ";7;1 "Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools <1993Apr1.162709.16643@osf.org> <1993Apr2.235809.3241@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> <1993Apr5.165548.21479@research.nj.nec.com> Lines: 1 WHAT IS THE FLANK DRIVE EVERYONES TALKING ABOUT? ";-1;0 "From: ggeorge@bu.edu (Gerry George) Subject: Re: 8 cards on a 6 card motherboard? Article-I.D.: bu.115969 Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Carl Christensen (christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu) wrote: : This may be the dumbest question of the year, but is there a : way to 'piggyback' or expand a 6-slot motherboard (all 16-bit) : to get the usual 8? My case has slots for 8, and I'd like to : get a scanner, but with all my other cards I'm already max'd out! : I'm hoping that a simple solution exists, e.g. an adapter that turns I'm not sure if this will work, but how about using one of those 'T' expanders used in the low-profile cases. They allow 3-5 slots staggered on either side of the card. You can install it in the last slot, and then (probably) have 2 or 3 sideways slots. This is actually how it is done in the low profile cases - a standard motherboard, the 'T' connector in one slot, and the expansion cards plugged into the 'T'. I guess you could do this at each end of the slots (1 & 8) to add even more. The 'T' connectors are simply tracks with slots on them - no electronics on it. The only downside - your case won't close, but for a homebrew system, that may not be a problem. Don't know about performance, though. I'll leave that discussion to the engineers. =========================================================================== Gerry George | Anything good in life is either School of Management, Boston Univ. | illegal, immoral or fattening. Internet: ggeorge@acs.bu.edu | Any item not in the above three Compu$erve: 72607.2560@compuserve.com | categories causes cancer in rats! =========================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: ""Derrick J. Brashear"" Subject: mouseless operation in ol{v}wm Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu Mouseless operation is documented in the man pages for olwm and olvwm... However, I can't get it to work in either. I have this line in my .Xdefaults: OpenWindows.KeyboardCommands: Full That should do it... I haven't rebound the keys. Am I missing something? -D ";12;1 "From: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) Subject: Re: Virtual Reality for X on the CHEAP! Organization: USCACSC, Los Angeles Lines: 11 Distribution: world Reply-To: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) NNTP-Posting-Host: cpuserver.acsc.com Update on location!! Directory should be: public/virtual-worlds!! ^^^^^^ Sorry! :-) Robert. robert@acsc.com ";-1;0 "From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) Subject: Re: Sampling CD audio (was Re: What to put in Centris 650...) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 28 ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: >In article , bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >> jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes: >>> >>>Yes, you get internal mixing of the analog CD-Audio outputs with >>>the Mac generated audio on the Mac motherboard. Also you can sample >>>the CD-Audio using the sound control panel by clicking on the Options >>>button next to the microphone icon. >> >> What's this? My IIvx with an internal CD doesn't have any ""CD-Audio"" >> icon... >I can't find any such option on my Centris 650 either. On the other hand, I >don't see why I need one. If I try recording sound with the built-in >microphone with an audio CD playing in the drive, I get the CD audio mixed >in with the microphone sound. >And I guess if I unplug the microphone, then I'll get uncontaminated CD >audio (admittedly sampled at 8 bits through a D-A-D conversion). Sorry about the misinformation. I made a bad assumption about the new machines behaving like a Quadra 900, see previous post. About sampling the CD audio though, have you tried it? I found the aliasing to be really bad. Like it needed a filter or something. Much worse than I expected. I installed the CD-300 in the Quadra myself so maybe I missed something. Everything else works great though. ";-1;0 "From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend) Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... In-Reply-To: cjackson@adobe.com's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 21:13:40 GMT Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service <1993Apr19.211340.12407@adobe.com> Lines: 25 ""cjackson"" == Curtis Jackson writes: cjackson> I am very glad to know that none of you judgemental little shits has cjackson> ridden/driven when too tired, sleepy, hungover, angry, or distracted cjackson> in the last 3 years. Why, if you had then you might be just as guilty Some of us not-so judgmental little shits don't drive/ride when we're impaired. I stopped doing that sort of thing when a good friend of mine got killed by a drunk driver who failed to stop for a red and drove through the side of her volvo in his '72 caddy. Then again, I suspect most of the responsible adults on the net don't bother posting in flame wars on rec.moto. cjackson> ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom cjackson> in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson He also owned slaves, kept some as forced concubines, and had enough resources to do what he wanted without fear of reprisal. Then again, he also smoked dope. -- jet@netcom.com -- J. Eric Townsend -- '92 R100R, DoD# (hafta kill you...) This is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov ""You got to put down the ducky if you wanna play saxophone."" Skate UNIX or die, boyo. ";-1;0 " zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!juliet.caltech.edu!lmh Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) Distribution: world,local Organization: California Institute of Technology NNTP-Posting-Host: juliet.caltech.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Lines: 18 In article <1APR199313404295@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu<, lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) writes... robert@weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon) writes: >In article <1q0n5pINN60m@uniko.uni-koblenz.de> hodgen@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (Wayne Hodgen) writes: > >>To sum up, when an accelerated board with 4MB VRAM (True Colour 1280x1024) >>AND A FAST VGA SIDE is available under $500, I will buy one. > >Me too! > >What's funny is, when we really CAN buy such a product, it probably won't >seem as mouth-watering as it does today. ""What? No holograms? Get outta >here!"" I can wait 'cos I've already got an accelerated card. It does 1280x1024 but only 16 colour. You may mock me, but such cards will be here quickly enough. >One of the odd things about the computer industry is that, since you can >always wait and get something better, some people wait forever. I know >people who have deferred updating their original IBM PC for a decade, >because every time they look at what's available, they see something better >coming down the road. I know people who've dumped their PCs into the >garage, but haven't replaced them, because they're afraid it isn't ""the >right time to buy."" They just gave up using computers. I only wait when the difference between my current system and the new stuff is big enough to warrant changing. For instance, I'll be upgrading my 486 33 to a 486DX-2 66 EISA, VLB board RSN. The performance difference (under Linux) is great enough to be worthwhile. At the same time I'll be buying a new graphic card and new SCSI controller. I'll be buying an S3 card 'cos they're fast enough, I have X11 drivers for them and it'll have 2MB VRAM just like a Weitek 9000 card. It will also be MUCH cheaper. When affordable 4MB cards arrive, I'll buy one. >Personally, my system at home needs a new disk subsystem, a much >larger monitor, a super-fast graphics board by you-know-who, a new >CPU board -- I probably won't keep much more than the case and the >mouse. Come to think of it, I don't like that mouse very much. So >when will I buy? When my dream products hit the market? NO WAY! I'm >gonna buy as soon as I have the MONEY! Over the last year I've done much the same. But now I need a 19"" monitor, more memory (20MB just ain't enough), a GB disk (1.2GB and no space left...). Oh well, stay single, don't smoke and you may afford it this year ;-) -- Wayne Hodgen | hodgen@infko.uni-koblenz.de | Opinions (c) Me 1991 | Intel SX Uni Koblenz, | (..!unido!infko!hodgen) | Keeper of the Scrolls, | Just Rheinau 3-4, | Voice: +49 261 9119-645 | Defender of the Net, | say 5400 Koblenz. | Fax: +49 261 9119-499 | His name is ""root"". | NO!!! ";-1;0 "From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon) Subject: Re: Deal gone bad! What to do? Summary: small claims - you have to be there Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 24 rjkoppes@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Randy Koppes) writes: >Have you head of small claims. You may have to put money up >front for the filing fees, and then possibly having the local >sheriff of his/her city to deliver the bad news. In the end >the other party will end up paying for his/her mistake with >interest from the time of the filing to the pay date of the >defendent I think the problem with small claims court is that you have to go to the location of the person you're taking action against. It seems to me the time and money involved in travelling out there (unless this person is close to you) wouldn't be worth it for a small claim. It really depends on how much money you're out. If I am wrong about any of this, someone please correct me! ;) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University Internet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS ----------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr21.143910.5826@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes: >My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no >medical insurance, she cannot get them removed. > >My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate >their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature, Morphine or demerol is about the only effective way of stopping pain that severe. Obviously, she'll need a prescription to get such drugs. Can't she go to the county hospital or something? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";4;1 "From: deeds@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com ( Dean Deeds) Subject: GS1100E (was Re: buying advice needed) Reply-To: deeds@vulcan1.UUCP ( Dean Deeds) Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA Lines: 45 In article Dale.James@cs.cmu.edu writes: >GS1100E. It's a great bike, but you'd better be damn careful! >I got a 1983 as my third motorcycle, [...deleta...] >The bike is light for it's size (I think it's 415 pounds); but heavy for a >beginner bike. Heavy for a beginner bike it is; 415 pounds it isn't, except maybe in some adman's dream. With a full tank, it's in the area of 550 lbs, depending on year etc. >You're 6'4"" -- you should have no problem physically managing >it. The seat is roughly akin to a plastic-coated 2by6. Very firm to very >painful, depending upon time in the saddle. The 1980 and '81 versions had a much better seat, IMO. >The bike suffers from the infamous Suzuki regulator problem. I have so far >avoided forking out the roughly $150 for the Suzuki part by kludging in >different Honda regulator/rectifier units from junkyards. The charging system >consistently overcharges the battery. I have to refill it nearly weekly. >This in itself is not so bad, but battery access is gained only after removing >the seat, the tank, and the airbox. My regulator lasted over 100,000 miles, and didn't overcharge the battery. The wiring connectors in the charging path did get toasty though, tending to melt their insulation. I suspect they were underspecified; it didn't help that they were well removed from cool air. Battery access on the earlier bikes doesn't require tank removal. After you learn the drill, it's pretty straightforward. [...] >replacement parts, like all Suzuki parts, are outrageously expensive. Having bought replacement parts for several brands of motorcycles, I'll offer a grain of salt to be taken with Dale's assessment. [...] >Good luck, and be careful! >--Dale Sentiments I can't argue with...or won't... -- Dean Deeds deeds@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com ";-1;0 "From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Govs. Florio, Wilder Hit Airwaves In Support of Brady Bill Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr1.015043.5662@r-node.hub.org>, ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) writes: > Here is a press release from Handgun Control Inc. > ""It is ironic that Jim and I are observing this March 30 in a > country that finds America's level of gun violence not only > unacceptable, but unbelievable,"" said Mrs. Brady, chair of Handgun > Control Inc. So where was she? And would she consider staying there? -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... ";3;1 "From: de@cup.hp.com (Dan Epstein) Subject: Re: Foreign Media Reaction April 1-12, part 1 of 3 Nntp-Posting-Host: capella.cup.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2] Lines: 19 Phill Hallam-Baker (hallam@dscomsa.desy.de) wrote: : First off they could recognise Iraqu's responsibility in initiating the : Iran/Iraq war. Providing technical assistance to Iran to get it's oil : production back up to capacity would also be a smart move, at the moment : Iran is above it's OPEC ceiling. If they had extra capacity they would : use it and bring down the oild price further which is in our interests. I agree with most of what Phill says, except the point about it being in our interests to bring down the oil price. Consider that both the U.S. and Great Britain have domestic sources to partly satisfy their energy needs. Pricy OPEC oil impacts both Germany, Japan and many other ""industrial rivals"" more than these two. In addition, the proceeds from the sale (especially by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait U.A.E. etc) are disproportionately reinvested in the U.S. and G.B., propping up these economies and further providing an incentive to keep prices from falling too low. Dan Epstein ";-1;0 "From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 14 In regards ot some of the posts concerning bias in articles of k bikes versis /2's or boxers of a later date or whatever.. Jeezzz, Lighten up! I wrote the slash two blues for a bit of humor which seems to be lacking in the MOA Owners News, when most of the stuff is ""I rode the the first day, I saw that, I rode there the second day, I saw this"" any body out there know were the sense if humor went in people? I though I still had mine, but I dunno... Regards Craig Vechorik BMW MOA Ambassador #9462 DOD #843 And hey, I just want ya'll to vote.. O.K.? for SOMEBODY instead of throwing it in the trash... ";-1;0 "From: domet@ucbeh.san.uc.edu Subject: Windows NT, HELP! PLEASE HELP! Distribution: world Organization: Univ of Cincinnati Academic IT Services Lines: 26 WINDOWS NT I need some information on the new Windows NT. Anything you have would be appreciated. I know nothing about it. (Well, except that it exists.) Some questions... Memory requirements, hard drive space, release date? is it out? How is IBM reacting? Intel? Can it replace other LAN OS's? ANYTHING else like specs, speed, etc.. Thanks in advance! Luke Email me at internet address: domet@ucbeh.san.uc.edu bitnet address: domet@ucbeh ";-1;0 "From: ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: EIT Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: kyle.eitech.com In article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: ># You have only pushed back the undefined meaning. You must now define >#what ""objective values"" are. > >Really? You don't know what objective value is? If I offered the people >of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that >sound like a good deal? Well, that would depend on how much we wanted the US and how much we wanted the $1, wouldn't it? -Ekr -- Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com Would you buy used code from this man? ";-1;0 "From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: EISA tape controllers Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 11 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com Is there a QIC-80 format tape drive that comes with an EISA controller ? Colorado's 250 only has ISA and MCA controllers. Thanks. e-mail please. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | The Lost Los Angelino | ";-1;0 "From: Kam-Chung Cheung Subject: Squirrel Hill Studio Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu Squirrel Hill Studio/Efficiency available in mid May. My lease is expiring on 7/31/93. Perfect for someone looking for temporary housing or someone who wants to stay beyond July. - Nice short walk to CMU - $325/month - Plenty of parking space on street - Quiet neighborhood - nearly new carpet - Call 421-8466 ";-1;0 "From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Distribution: na Lines: 21 Well, it now seems obvious what Professor Denning was doing last fall when this key escrow trial balloon was raised! All the more need for end-to-end encryption schemes that bypass the government-approved system. By the way, the ""Clipper"" name...isn't this already used for the Clipper processor from Intergraph? I doubt they're the ones making the chip, so a name conflict may be present. -Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. ";-1;0 "From: jennise@opus.dgi.com (Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals) Subject: Looking for a little research help Organization: Dynamic Graphics Inc. Lines: 19 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: opus.dgi.com Hi, I'm writing a science fiction script and I'm looking for some answers to questions regarding the Moon and Earth. My starting point is an impossible situation. [I checked with a professor at berkeley and his response was a VERY helpful ""can't happen"".] If you enjoy playing with unusual ideas and are willing answer some questions please contact me via e-mail (jennise@dgi.com). I get extremely annoyed when screen and tele-plays ignore basic facts about computers that I'm determined to be as scientifically accurate as I can. Sorry for being vague, but I'd like to protect my idea as much as I can until I'm ready to sell it (hopefully). Jennise ";2;1 "From: ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia Lines: 18 jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. > It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production > would have to be local. There are not all that many people > who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile > firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could > obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and > average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would > pay through the nose for it. So why did the Australian Customs Service make a public statement to a parliamentary committee last year that weapons smuggling was a problem which it was not able to control? Possibly criminals don't have your grasp of economics? Geoff Miller (g-miller@adfa.edu.au) Computer Centre, Australian Defence Force Academy ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Update (Help!) [was ""What is This [Is it Lyme's?]""] Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr7.221357.12533@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> brenner@ldgo.columbia.edu (carl brenner) writes: >> see the ulterior motive here. It is easy for me to see it the >> those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything. >> There is a lot of money involved. > > You keep bringing this up. But I don't understand what's in it >financially for the physician to go ahead and treat. Unless the physician >has an investment in (or is involved in some kickback scheme with) the >home infusion company, where is the financial gain for the doctor? Well, let me put it this way, based on my own experience. A general practitioner with no training in infectious diseases, by establishing links to the ""Lyme community"", treating patients who come to him wondering about lyme or having decided they have lyme as if they did, saying that diseases such as MS are probably spirochetal, if not Lyme, giving talks at meetings of users groups, validating the feelings of even delusional patients, etc. This GP can go from being a run-of-the-mill $100K/yr GP to someone with lots of patients in the hospital and getting expensive infusions that need monitoring in his office, and making lots of bread. Also getting the adulation of many who believe his is their only hope (if not of cure, then of control) and seeing his name in publications put out by support groups, etc. This is a definite temptation. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) Subject: Re: From Israeli press. Madness. Lines: 8 Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1483500342:cdp:1483500347:000:151 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 17 15:37:00 1993 Before getting excited and implying that I am posting fabrications, I would suggest the readers to consult the newspaper in question. Tahnks, Elias ";15;1 "From: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov (Chris Johnston) Subject: One day graphics/composites seminar Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH Lines: 47 Distribution: world Reply-To: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov (Chris Johnston) NNTP-Posting-Host: looney.lerc.nasa.gov SAMPE, NCGA, The University of Akron, and NASA Lewis Research Center is sponsoring: COMPUTERS AND COMPOSITES A one-day seminar devoted to practical applications of computer workstations for efficient processing, design, and Manufacture of composites May 18, 1993 at The University of Akron Akron, Ohio Speakers on: Advancement in Graphics Visualization Dr. Jay Horowitz, NASA Integrated Product Development with Mr. Michael R. Cowen Network Workstations Sikorski Aircraft Structural Analysis Mr. Brian Fite, NASA Stereolithography Mr. Jason Williams, Penn State-Erie Molecular and Physical Modeling Dr. Vassilios Galiatsato, of Polymer Curing University of Akron Process Modeling of Polymer Matrix Composites Dr Ram Upadhyay, GE Corporate R&D Registration Fees: $75.00 Advance, $100.00 on site (Includes box lunch) Contact Gary Roberts, NASA Lewis Research Center (216) 433-344 or write: SAMPE Regional Seminar c/o Gary Roberts NASA Lewis Research Center 21000 Brookpark Rd MS 49-1 Cleveland, Ohio 44135 Or Email to me, | and I'll get it to Gary. | \/ -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Chris Johnston (216) 433-5029 | | Materials Engineer (216) 433-5033 | | NASA Lewis Research Center Internet: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov | | 21000 Brookpark Rd MS 105-1 | | Cleveland, OH 4413 USA Resistance is futile! | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "Subject: Vonnegut/atheism From: dmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings) Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Lines: 21 Yesterday, I got the chance to hear Kurt Vonnegut speak at the University of New Hampshire. Vonnegut succeeded Isaac Asimov as the (honorary?) head of the American Humanist Association. (Vonnegut is an atheist, and so was Asimov) Before Asimov's funeral, Vonnegut stood up and said about Asimov, ""He's in heaven now,"" which ignited uproarious laughter in the room. (from the people he was speaking to around the time of the funeral) ""It's the funniest thing I could have possibly said to a room full of humanists,"" Vonnegut said at yesterday's lecture. If Vonnegut comes to speak at your university, I highly recommend going to see him even if you've never read any of his novels. In my opinion, he's the greatest living humorist. (greatest living humanist humorist as well) Peace, Dana ";9;1 "From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) Subject: Re: Freemasonry and the Southern Baptist Convention Summary: Update on events. Keywords: update, report, `Woof!' Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey Disclaimer: Sometime tonight, Brandy the WonderDog will turn 11 years old. You can e-mail your presents (he likes rawhide chewy toys) to the address above. Lines: 73 There were some recent developments in the dispute about Masonry among Southern Baptists. I posted a summary over in bit.listserv.christia, and I suppose that it might be useful here. Note that I do not necessarily agree or disagree with any of what follows: I present it as information. * For a short summary: a Southern Baptist named Larry Holly wrote a book claiming that Freemasonry is a religion incompatible with Christianity. (Mr Holly's father rejects Christianity, and Mr Holly blames that on the Masons.) The SBC's Home Missions Board includes an interfaith witness department, which studies other religions and how to teach them about Christ. A few years ago, they were ordered to produce a report on Masonry: they concluded that it was not a religion, and therefore was outside their speciality. However, Mr Holly led a movement of people who oppose Masonry, and last year the Convention again ordered the HMB to study Masonry. (I got the feeling that they were saying ""You got the wrong answer last time, try to do better and get the answer we want."") Anyway, there's been a bit of infighting and some inappropriate actions, but the dust has settled and the report is in. Nobody is entirely happy with it, but everybody seems willing to live with it. Both sides are saying things such as: ""This was the best we were going to get in the current environment."" The report commends the Masons for the charity work they do, such as the hospitals and burn centers they operate, as well as efforts to help the elderly and prevent drug abuse. The report acknowledges that many well- known Christians are and have been Masons, and notes that many teachings of Masonry are ""supportive of Christian faith and practice"". Examples of the latter include belief in God, emphases on honesty and integrity, and that some Masonic lodges incorporate explicit Christian beliefs. On the other hand, they note that some aspects of Masonry are incompatible with Southern Baptist principles. These included the use of titles which some people consider sacrilegious, the taking of certain oaths (even though they are not meant seriously), the ""undeniably pagan and/or occultic"" writings of some Masonic leaders, the implication in some Masonic writings that salvation can be achieved by good works, and the racial discrimination practiced by many Masonic lodges. (I note with some chagrin that Baptist churches as a whole aren't really in a place to speak on this last point.) The report concludes that Masonry is not a religion, and says that membership should not be endorsed or censured, but left to the discretion of individuals. This was in part because there is variation among different Masonic Lodges, and while one may include elements strongly against Christianity, another may not. Many Southern Baptists have strong convictions about the priesthood of the believer and the autonomy of the local church, and this history probably influenced how the report came out. * The information above was gleaned from ""The Religious Herald"", a publication of the Baptist General Association of Virginia, and ""Baptists Today"", which does not have any direct links to a religious organisation. (Autonomy is a big issue among some Baptists. 8-) Because I have neither the report itself, nor whatever Masonic documents are relevant to these issues, none of the above comes with a guarantee. Your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited. Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu Milton: ""We use only the finest baby frogs, dew picked and flown from Iraq, cleansed in finest quality spring water, lightly killed, and then sealed in a succulent Swiss quintuple smooth treble cream milk chocolate envelope and lovingly frosted with glucose."" Praline: ""That's as may be, it's still a frog."" ";-1;0 "From: gotribe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.g.barry) Subject: Re: Reds Without Sleeves (was Re: New Uniforms) Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1993Apr6.220115.16282 Organization: AT&T Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr6.204514.2180@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: > In article <12805@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) writes: > > > > > >Am I the only person who thinks the Reds sleeveless uniforms are > >ugly? Yet another reason why they won't win the NL West! ;) > > If uniforms really were a deciding factor in pennant races, the '79 Pirates > would have never won anything; those have to be the ugliest uniforms I've > ever seen, particular the all-yellow set. > > Sherri Nichols > snichols@adobe.com > My vote goes for the ('75?) Indians with their all-red uniforms. Boog Powell once said he felt like a big red blood clot. Rich Barry barry@ihlpe.att.com ";-1;0 "From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) Subject: Portuguese Launch Complex (was:*Doppelganger*) Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 14 Distribution: world Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov > Portugese launch complex were *wonderful Portuguese launch complex??? Gosh.... Polish are for American in the same way as Portuguese are for Brazilians (I am from Brazil). There is a joke about the Portuguese Space Agency that wanted to send a Portuguese astronaut to the surface of the Sun (if there is such a thing). How did they solve all problems of sending a man to the surface of the Sun??? Simple... their astronauts travelled during the night... C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov Claudio Oliveira Egalon ";-1;0 "From: st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) Subject: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50 Organization: University of Houston Lines: 17 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu Keywords: Motorola, FPU, 68882, 68030, 33/50 MHz, problems (FPU exception) News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 I just installed a Motorola XC68882RC50 FPU in an Amiga A2630 board (25 MHz 68030 + 68882 with capability to clock the FPU separately). Previously a MC68882RC25 was installed and everything was working perfectly. Now the systems displays a yellow screen (indicating a exception) when it check for the presence/type of FPU. When I reinstall an MC68882RC25 the system works fine, but with the XC68882 even at 25 MHz it does not work. The designer of the board mentioned that putting a pullup resistor on data_strobe (470 Ohm) might help, but that didn't change anything. Does anybody have some suggestions what I could do? Does this look like a CPU-FPU communications problem or is the particular chip dead (it is a pull, not new)? Moreover, the place I bought it from is sending me an XC68882RC33. I thought that the 68882RC33 were labeled MC not XC (for not finalized mask design). Are there any MC68882RC33? Thanks Christian ";-1;0 "From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars! Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 43 David Karr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 01:01:01 GMT wibbled: : In article Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Knicker Twister) writes: : >In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> : >npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes: : > : >> With regards to the pub brawl, he might have a history of such things. : >> Just because he was a biker doesn't make him out to be a reasonable : >> person. Even the DoD might object to him joining, who knows? : If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the : article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he : got his drinking money from? : I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is : looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out : of hand or of shoddy journalism. : If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they : should put the money in trust. They don't, so I would assume it's : perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that : way myself. : -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) We heard about this from a newspaper article. Journalists and editors always pick out the most interesting and sensational ""facts"" for our delectation. As the editor of the Sun once said: ""We never let the facts get in the way of a good story"". You must have noticed how motorcyclists get treated by the press. They thrive on hysteria, ignorance, sensationalism and one-upmanship. Unfortunately there's not enough salt to keep taking a pinch of. -- Nick (the Cynical Old Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Leaky New Gearbox M'Lud. Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. /~~~\ ""Teneo tuus intervallum"" Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR, {-O^O-} npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. \ o / Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 (-) ""Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for you. It's time to get up ";-1;0 "From: 5417younisa@vms.csd.mu.edu Subject: Wanted IDE hard drive >40 Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 2 Reply-To: 5417younisa@vms.csd.mu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsf.csd.mu.edu and A VGA monitor.. e-mail ";-1;0 "From: b91926@fnclub.fnal.gov (David Sachs) Subject: Re: Apple Tape backup 40SC under System 7.x Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL Lines: 15 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: fnclub.fnal.gov Keywords: backup, tape, In article , generous@nova.sti.nasa.gov (Curtis Generous) writes: |> |> I need to get an Apple 40SC tape backup unit working under |> Sys 7.0.x, but do not have any drivers/software to access |> the device. Does anyone know where I can fidn the tools |> to access this device? |> |> Appreciate any info/comments. |> |> --curtis |> -- |> Curtis C. Generous generous@sti.nasa.gov (703) 685-1140 |> NASA STI, Code JTT, Washington, DC 20546 Retrospect (Dantz) works nicely with this combination. You can buy it from the mail order vendors. ";-1;0 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: > >>>Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups >>>as we do, so they must have some ""laws"" dictating undesired behavior. >>So, why ""must"" they have such laws? > >The quotation marks should enclose ""laws,"" not ""must."" > >If there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones, >etc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society >into chaos. The ""System"" refered to a ""moral system"". You havn't shown any reason that chimps ""must"" have a moral system. Except if you would like to redefine everything. --- "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "" John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word. ";-1;0 "From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Nntp-Posting-Host: alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine Keywords: printer Lines: 25 In <~c$@byu.edu> ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: >>The deskjet is SLOW. This is in comparison to the other printers I >>mentioned. I have no idea how the bubblejet compares. >> >>The interface between Win3.1 and the printer is just dandy, I've not >>had any problems with it. >I just bought a BJ-200 printer a couple of days ago. I compared it to the >sample print of an HP DeskJet 500 and knew that the HP wasn't for me. The >BJ-200 is pretty fast and really prints with good quality. I can compare it >with the HP LaserJet IIID PostScript and they look almost identical ( >depending on the kind of paper). I don't have problems with the ink not >being dry, it seems to dry VERY fast. Probably within a second. Since >Canon is giving a $50 rebate until the end of May, it is really a good buy. How much is the BJ going for? I got mine for $300 which was in the end the deciding factor for me. --Cindy -- Cindy Tittle Moore Internet: tittle@ics.uci.edu | BITNET: cltittle@uci.bitnet UUCP: ...!ucbvax!ucivax!tittle | Usnail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716 ";-1;0 "From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Public Schedule of the President 4.5.93 Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 5, 1993 PUBLIC SCHEDULE OF THE PRESIDENT TUESDAY, APRIL 6, 1993 11:15 AM EST PRESIDENT CLINTON DELIVERS REMARKS with Egyptian President Mubarek, the East Room, The White House Open Press FUTURE SCHEDULE OF THE PRESIDENT APRIL 16, 1993 PRESIDENT CLINTON MEETS with Japanese Prime Minister Miyazawa, the White House APRIL 26, 1993 PRESIDENT CLINTON MEETS with Italian President Amato, the White House ";18;1 "From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) Subject: Re: Astronomy Program Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 23 In article <28641@galaxy.ucr.edu> datadec@ucrengr.ucr.edu (kevin marcus) writes: >Are there any public domain or shareware astronomy programs which will >map out the sky at any given time, and allow you to locate planets, nebulae, >and so forth? If so, is there any ftp site where I can get one? I posted my public-domain MSDOS program ""sunlight.zip"" to ""sci.astro"" yesterday. It easily locates the sun, moon, and planets, and can also be used to locate other objects if you input their Right Ascesion and Declination. Use ""uudecode"" to extract. -- Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized! ""Marxism and feminism are one and that one is Marxism"" - Heidi Hartmann and Amy Bridges, quoted by Catharine MacKinnon above the first chapter of her ""Toward a Feminist Theory of the State"" ";-1;0 "From: caldwell@brahms.udel.edu (David L Caldwell) Subject: Re: Borland's Paradox Offer Nntp-Posting-Host: brahms.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 19 >I am considering buying Borland's Paradox for Windows since I >would like to use a database with Windows (I don't have/use >one yet) for both work/home use. I would like to advantage >of Borland's ""$129.95 until April 30"" offer if this package >is everything that Borland claims it to be. So, I was >wondering ... has anybody used this and/or have any opinions? > >-- Tom Belmonte I've been using MS Access (still available from some stores for $99.00) and I am quite pleased with it. It's relatively easy to learn, very easy to use and somewhat easy to program. I highly recomend it, particularly at $99.00! I have not used Paradox for Windows, but I don't expect it to be $30.00 better than Access (IMHO). --Dave ";-1;0 "From: rjh@allegra.att.com (Robert Holt) Subject: Re: ALL-TIME BEST PLAYERS Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ Lines: 78 In article <1993Apr15.162313.154828@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jsr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN STEPHEN RANDOLPH) writes: >In article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes >: >>I've recently been working on project to determine the greatest >>players at their respective postions. My sources are Total Baseball, >>James' Historical Abstract, The Ballplayers (biography), word of >>mouth, and my own (biased) opinions... >> >>Feel free to comment, suggest, flame (whatever)...but I tried >>to be as objective as possible, using statistical data not inlcuded >>for time/convience's sake. (I judged on Rel. BA, Adj OPS, Total Average, >>fielding range/runs, total player rating (Total Baseball), stolen bases >>(for curiosity's sake), TPR/150 g, and years played/MVP. >> >>3B >> 1) Mike Schmidt >> 2) Ed Matthews One ""t"" in ""Eddie Mathews""! >> 3) George Brett >> 4) Wade Boggs >> 5) Ron Santo >> 6) Brooks Robinson >> 7) Frank Baker >> 8) Darrell Evans >> 9) Pie Traynor >>10) Ray Dandridge >> >How can Brooks be # 6? I think he would at least be ahead of Ron Santo. > Because a small advantage in fielding ability comes nowhere near making up for the large difference in hitting. Their average seasons, using their combined average 656 (AB + BB) per 162 games: Years AB H R 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB AVG OBP SLG OPS Santo 14.10 577 160 81 26 5 24 94 268 79 .277 .366 .464 .830 Robinson 17.55 607 162 70 27 4 15 77 243 49 .267 .325 .401 .726 Fielding, we have, per 162 games at third, Years P A DP E PCT Santo 13.15 149 348 30 24 .954 Robinson 17.72 152 350 35 15 .971 Even if Robinson's extra 3 putouts, 2 assists, and 5 DPs are taken to mean he was responsible for 10 more outs in the field, that doesn't make up for the extra 28 outs he made at the plate, not to mention the fewer total bases. The difference of .104 in OPS should be decreased by about .025 to account for Wrigley, but a .079 difference is still considerable. The Thorn & Palmer ratings are Adjusted Adjusted Stolen Fielding Total Production Batting Runs Base Runs Runs Rating Santo 123 284 -14 137 41.7 Robinson 105 52 -5 151 19.8 (26.3) Usual disclaimers about T&P's FR apply, but they really shouldn't be way off the mark in this comparison. At least it's better than fielding percentage: Carney Lansford has a .966 , 10th best all-time, but -225 FR, dead last of all time. Also, since this total rating compares players to league average instead of replacement level, Robinson should be awarded an extra 6.5 or so for playing 653 more games. He had a great career, but I would prefer Santo's plus 4 years of a replacement level 3Bman. But I would knock Traynor off the list and replace him by Stan Hack. That's a similar story, Hack's far better hitting outweighs Traynor's superior fielding. Graig Nettles and Buddy Bell would also be better choices (IMHO of course, though some recent net discussion supports this point of view.) > >>CF >> 7) Andre Dawson Shouldn't that be right field? -- +-----------------------+ | Bob Holt | | rjh@allegra.att.com | +-----------------------+ ";14;1 "From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley) Subject: problem with Tek xterminal Organization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C. Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: bal1.mc.duke.edu Originator: ndd@bal1 We have recently purchased a Tektronix xterminal, and I'm having a problem with it. We have a graphics widget that we wrote to display waveforms, and it doesn't work on the xterminal. the buttons, etc, all show up, and it seems to take the 'right' amount of time to draw, but nothing is visible in the graphics window. I have no clue as to where to start looking: the program works fine on all our suns (3s and 4s, color and B&W). could anyone suggest a line of attack for this problem? TekXpress XP380 color xterminal running 6.0.0. host is a Sun IPX running SunOS 4.1.3 and X11R5, PL17. -- Ned Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu) Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory Box 3140, Duke University Medical Center Durham, NC 27710 (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100 ";-1;0 "From: kaul@watson.ibm.com Subject: DMQS files for XGA-2 (was Re: CatsEye/X XGA-2! (extra modes?)) News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17h by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers Lines: 557 Reply-To: kaul@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: kaul.bocaraton.ibm.com Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research (NOTE: The followups are set to comp.os.os2.misc. DMQS files describe monitors and valid modes to be used by the XGA-2 under both Windows and OS/2.) THESE FILES ARE UNSUPPORTED! IBM has nothing to do with these files or this post. It's personal this time (and every time I post -- see the signature). Due to demand and requests, here are some additional DMQS files I've collected for the XGA-2. These files function with the latest revision of the drivers for the XGA-2. Not all these files will work under Windows with the drivers available to the general public at this time. All files will function under the most recent OS/2 2.1 beta and those I've tried have worked under OS/2 2.0+SP. Not all files have been fully tested. THESE FILES ARE UNSUPPORTED! They represent a personal collection, not anything resembling an officially supported set. As a standard disclaimer I would like to point out the following facts: 1) Some of these files may run your adapter out of spec. Doing so can stress the ICs on the card and may result in incorrect operation or in shorter life (how short depends on how much out of spec [boom!] :-). 2) Some of these files may run your adapter in a region that is out of spec for your monitor, resulting in damage to your monitor. 3) You should be knowledgable about your monitor and adapter's ability to use the mode you select. Using these files represents hacking in a very true sense, so practice safe computing and don't play around too much if you don't like the risks and aren't knowledgable about what you're doing. 4) If you feel uncomfortable with all the warnings, use the DMQS files you have or wait until IBM releases official, tested DMQS files. Although you should be aware of warning 2) even with the IBM files. THESE FILES ARE UNSUPPORTED! By using them you may invalidate your warrenty. Not all have been fully tested -- I don't have that many monitors. Installation: unpack in your DMQSPATH environment variable, usually c:\xga$dmqs. Then use the methods described in your XGA-2 installation diskette to change your adapter or settings. Packing: these files have been packed with the latest INFOZIP utility. You will need PKZip 2.x if you don't have the INFOZIP utilities. Submitting: feel free to send me uuencoded versions of your favorite DMQS files for your favorite monitors. I'm always interested in collecting more. 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";-1;0 "Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing From: Subject: Re: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3) <1993Apr18.233404.16702@ncar.ucar.edu> Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr18.233404.16702@ncar.ucar.edu>, amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony Michael Jivoin) says: > >With the ""HAWK"", the Red Sox definitely have a chance for the >east this year. He brings class, work ethic and leadership to >the park each day. > too bad he doesn't bring the ability to hit, pitch, field or run. bob vesterman. ";14;1 "Subject: Price quote wanted From: sam.halperin@cccbbs.UUCP (Sam Halperin) Reply-To: sam.halperin@cccbbs.UUCP (Sam Halperin) Distribution: world Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-1055 Lines: 46 From: sam.halperin@cccbbs.uceng 486 DX 50 mHz in Zero Insertion Force Socket Empty over-drive socket EISA motherboard with 256k cache -->2 32 bit EISA Slots -->2 32 bit VESA local bus slots -->4 16 bit ISA slots 8 MB 70ns RAM -->8 SIMMS sockets filled with 1mb strips (0 sockets open) 32 bit EISA IDE hard drive controller 330 Meg IDE hard disk drive w/ 64k cache (12ms) Diamond Viper Weitek 9000 VESA local bus graphics card w/ 2mb 15"" MAG MX15F monitor 2 Serial(NS16550AFN UART), 1 parralell & 1 game ports Full tower case -->250 Watt power supply -->5 X 5.25"" bays -->2 X 3.5"" bays -->2 X Hard Drive bays 1.2MB 5.25"" & 1.33MB 3.5"" Floppy Drives Enhanced 101 key keyboard Hi-Resolution 400 DPI Serial Mouse MS DOS 5.0 and MS Windows 3.1 or newer AMI BIOS Joint Data Motherboard 30 Day Money Back Gaurantee Unconditional 2 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime Labor Warranty One year Nationwide on site service This system is currently availble from Comtrade, the company that won some of the highest (over dell, gateway and IBM) awards in recent PC magazine reviews. Your price must be highly competitive, without sacrificing any of the quality standards listed above. PLEASE RESPOND TO sam.halperin@cccbbs.uceng VIA E-MAIL ";8;1 "From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) Subject: Do Splitfires Help Spagthorpe Diesels ? Keywords: Using Splitfire plugs for performance. Distribution: rec.motorcycles Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX Lines: 34 In article wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) writes: >Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs. One >guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell. Well, >I saw one think that someone said about ""Show me a team that used Split- >fires...."" Well, here's some additional insight and some theories >about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages. > >Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and >increased power for the 4x4 cages. Well, for these guys, splitfires > >Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with >somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than Splitfires work mainly by providing a more-or-less unshrouded spark to the combustion chamber. If an engine's cylinder head design can benefit from this, then the splitfires will yield a slight performance increase, most noticeably in lower rpm range torque. Splitfires didn't do diddly-squat for my 1992 GMC pickup (4.3l V6) but do give a noticeable performance boost in my 1991 Harley Sportster 1200 and my best friend's 1986 Sportster 883. Folks I know who've tried them in 1340 Evo motors can't tell any performance boost over plain plugs (which is interesting since the XLH and big twin EVO combustion chambers are pretty much the same shape, just different sizes). Two of my friends who have shovelhead Harleys swear by the splitfires but if I had a shovelhead, I'd dual-plug it instead since they respond well enough to dual plugs to make the machine work and extra ignition system worth the expense (plus they look really cool with a spark plug on each side of each head) -- ============================================================================= Neal Howard '91 XLH-1200 DoD #686 CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX) doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's. ""Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps we shall learn the truth."" -- August Kekule' (1890) ============================================================================= ";-1;0 "From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) Subject: Re: Pens Info needed Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr16.074054.3124@jyu.fi> mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) writes: >Coaching news: > > Alpo Suhonen (ex-Jets) to Jokerit (now verified), > Boris Majorov (ex-Jokerit) to Tappara, > Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks > (assistant coach), > Sakari Pietila to Lulea (silver team in Elite-serien) Wow. So that's probably the reason why current assistant coach Drew Ramenda hinted that he won't be back. Thanks for the news, Mikko; can you (or any of our Finnish netters) comment on Tichonov? =============================================================================== GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! =============================================================================== Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks ";-1;0 "From: shenx@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (xiangxin shen ) Subject: Re: IDE Low Level Format Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson Lines: 10 In article mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel) writes: >I accidentally tried to low level format my Western Digital Caviar 280 drive. >Is there a public domain or shareware utility available that will allow >me to fix it? > >Thanks. I am no expert on this. But I am pretty sure there is no way to recover this. IDE drive has mapping information written directly on drives. When you low level format it, the information itself is gone as well, I don't think you can get it back unless you send it back to Western Digital and ask them to refurbish it for you. Jim ";-1;0 "From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) Subject: Re: Comments on a 1984 Honda Interceptor 1000? Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 27 In article <19APR93.15421177@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes: >Hi. > I am considering the purchase of a 1984 Honda 1000cc Interceptor for >$2095 CDN (about $1676 US). I don't know the mileage on this bike, but from >the picture in the 'RV Trader' magazine, it looks to be in good shape. >Can anybody enlighten me as to whether this is a good purchase? Is it a >good bike? This will be my first bike. (I realize that, for a beginner, >1000cc is considered too be a bit too much bike. I have heard from friends >that were once beginners that if they had to start all over again that they >would have started with a bigger bike. One just has to be careful and not >drive outside their skill level.) > I had considered (and posted about two weeks ago) the purchase of 1982 >600cc Yamaha Seca Turbo with 33000 km, but I am a little wary now about the >prospect of having to deal with a turbo (both on the road and in the shop). I >may still consider this bike (the price dropped from $1300 to $1100 CDN), but >the Honda seems to be a good bike. > > Comments? > One word ""HEAVY"". It steers heavy, turns require alot of effort. Hard to get access to the large V-4 motor. Weak/small front forks with anti-dive gizmos! AT ";-1;0 "From: oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor) Subject: Re: Question about helmets Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: coffee.eng.umd.edu Originator: oconnor@coffee.eng.umd.edu On the other side of the fence, I owned a Bieffe off-road helmet. Took what I would consider a minor fall, and had visible damage to the shell. Yes, the helmet did its job. But the damage/impact ratio was scary. I own Bell Moto-5 now, have taken impacts on order of twice the Bieffe impact (we do this frequently in MX), and don't even have a scratch on it after two seasons. My recommendation is to buy _high_ quality gear. YMMV. -mark ";7;1 "From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: re: fillibuster Lines: 188 Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center In article hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: > >In article , VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: > >|>>|> If the Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords, than >|>>|>we'd almost have to state that the House of Representatives was also. >|>>|>(In fact, they both were, because the British government had much >|>>|>greater power than did the American system). >|>> >|>>In principle no, in practice yes. >|> >|> In principle no? That they had less power of that they should have >|>had less power? > >The British parliament in principle has absolute power. So does the Monarch. >Much of the stability of the system rests on what is not defined clearly. >In the case of a clear abuse by one side or the other the other side >can act to remedy the situation. Two institutions with absolute power. Cute. Let's talk practicality, shall we? If the Monarch tried to do something, what would happen? >|>>If they were to start from a social welfare model instead of the current >|>>""no state subsidy motto"" they would be better placed. As it is there is >|>>plenty of state money being handed out. The problem is that it is >|>>distributed on the basis of power in congress and not on the basis of >|>>actual need. >|> >|> Bingo. The higher up the governmental ladder the less actual >|>need matters, because political power can be concentrated at higher >|>levels, while people with less cloud only find themselves reduced to >|>in effectiveness. > >That was not my point. But you illustrated the problem very well. >|>>In order to set up a school project in New York state you have to pay off the >|>>other 49 states with pork - defense contracts, agricultural subsidies etc. >|>>Or to be precise 30 of the states since you need 60 to beat the filibuster. >|> >|> Then why not simply leave New York's education to New York? I >|>remain unconcinved that there is any state in the Union which is not capable >|>of educating its own children if that's what they want to do. > >The point is of redistribution of cash from the poor areas of the ecconomy >to the rich ones. I am contending that there is no state in the Union which does not have ample wealth, if they choose to spend it, to run a perfectly acceptable Education system. (I further contend that the amount of money being spent now is more then sufficient, but is being spent badly.) >Or vice versa if you aren't a Republican. So, tell me Phill. Were the Republicans also responsible for some of the *huge* increases in social programs? Or were they *only* responsible for what you don't like. (I contend it is Congress which is to blame. Democrat and Republican alike.) >If society >simply writes off any areas of the country that is ecconomically weak you >end up with a basket case ecconomy. There are inevitable cycles in any >business. Some of these act in phase to produce the ""business cycle"". >Others are countercyclic. Localities can experience boom to bust cycles >outside the national trend. To produce a strong ecconomy you need to >ensure that the bust areas do not fall bellow the level where they >cannot be ecconomically rebuilt. Most of our worst areas are still better off than most of Europe. In any case, we're talking about *education*. >If the industry in an area collapses >the US as a whole still has a responsibility to ensure that the children >in that area get a good education. In some areas of the US schools are closing >halfway through the year for lack of money. Yes, I live in once such area. You're woefully ignorant of the situation. At the same time some of Tennessee's school districts are closing down, the Governor asked for 7.5 million dollars for bicentenntial celebration license plats. In almost the same breath he wanted to raise unemployment compensation and reduce taxes which paid into it. I don't know about the rest of the country, but *our* education problems stem directly from two problems, neither of which are a lack of money in the state. (BTW, Tennessee is considered a ""tax heaven"" and our economy is one of the strongest in the country. *I* see a correlation.) 1) What money we spend goes primarly to administration. The average administrator makes two and a half times what the average teacher makes, and sucks up an enormous amount of revenue. And 2) the Governor is making a concerted effort to create an ""Education crisis"" in order to push for his pet income tax. Some of the most idiotic programs get funded (like State funds for new art in the county seat) while schools are closing. It's not a lack of funds. It's an unwillingness to spend them on what is more appropriate. Education is *the* parental hot-button. Education is *always* the first to but cut, because it's easier to get people to pay for their children than ugly art. >|> The U.S. Constitution is a nuts-and-bolts document. The Delcaration >|>of Independence was the high-brow reasoning. (There are a couple of other >|>examples, though, such as the reasoning for the power to tax, and the >|>reasoning for the power to grant permits, both in Article I, Section 8.) > >The Declaration on independence cam a decade earlier and has not a line >of justification for the US constitution. You could argue that it went >into the broad concepts but little more. It spoke very eloquently on government being based on the consent of the governed. >In fact it is little more than >a protracted whinge. More to do with the price of tea than the design of >a government. It would be a pretty daft idea for a bunch of guys to >sit arround designing the structure of the new government while the little >matter of the British army remained to be settled. They did it anyway. The Continental Congress had its own set of bylaws. It wasn't quite a government, but a means of making decisions had to be created. (However low George Washington's opinion of them were.) >|> To a certain extend I do believe the veto has become something >|>it wasn't intended. However, I also believe it is inevitable considering >|>the Congress' own abuse of their power to make bills say whatever they >|>want them to say. Unlike most people I think we shouldn't be worrying >|>about the veto, which is fine, but of the problem in Congress which >|>almost necessitates its abuse. > >The Congress is the most democratic body in the whole system. Allow me again to speak heresy against the Holy Democratic Orders. So what? The government was built with a very non-democratic Presidency with fairly broad powers, including the veto. >It has not only >the fairest system of election but the two year term means that the >members have always got a recent mandate. Yes, and the Senate was intended to act as a balance to this. Too much democracy was intentionally avoided. It was considered a good thing to place non-democratic blocks to impulsive action. >On the other hand if the period of election were to be made 4 years in >antiphase to the Presidential cycle there would be much less dependence >on fund raising from special interests than there is at present. So long as Congress has something to sell, people will pay for it. Most congressmen rake in more money than they need. >|> Why not? What is inherently wrong with biasing the system >|>against action? Historically governemnt action in the U.S. when >|>dealing with issues with a bare minority and a large minority have >|>not been successful. When you're in a position of imposing federal >|>power on diverse people, why should the federal government not have to >|>got through something more than a bare majority > >In other words David thinks that the reactionaries should need only 41 >votes while progressives should need 61. No, if the ""progressives"" don't want the ""reactionaries"" to move backward, they get the same benefit. 41% of the states is a *lot* of people. And historically laws with that sort of minority arent' very effective, especially since it is usually geographically concentrated. When wielding the Federal Big Stick I don't see why they shouldn't have to make a better argument than, ""more people than not,"" agree. >Now we know why nobody calls the Republicans democrats. I'm not a Republican. I'm a republican. :-) And no, I'm neither a Democrat nor a democrat. Now, I've asked several times, and all you've done is answer ""It isn't democratic,"" which I knew before I said it. Why *should* it be democratic? We don't have a true direct democracy, and few people advocate one. Why, then, is this other modification of democracy to bias it against action so much worse? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" ";-1;0 "From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr14.225500.15812@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes: >Now, if actions of the lebanese resistance help send the >Isrealis packing, I'm all for it. If you are really >concerned about bloodshed, a little self criticism could do >you a great favor. One of these days you'll learn that the way to stop Israel from fighting back is to stop attacking. If there were no attacks in the security zone for a year because the Lebanese army could maintain the peace, then Lebanon would be in much better shape. Tell me something, though. Why do Syrian troops not get attacked? Aren't they occupying Lebanon? Israel has repeatedly stated that it will leave on two conditions. One is a demonstration that the Lebanese army can keep the peace. The second is that the Syrians pull out as well. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow ";-1;0 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr21.212202.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral >exploration. > >Basically get the eco-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth. They aren't going to leave a loophole as glaring as space mining. Quite a few of those people are, when you come right down to it, basically against industrial civilization. They won't stop with shutting down the mines here; that is only a means to an end for them now. The worst thing you can say to a true revolutionary is that his revolution is unnecessary, that the problems can be corrected without radical change. Telling people that paradise can be attained without the revolution is treason of the vilest kind. Trying to harness these people to support spaceflight is like trying to harness a buffalo to pull your plough. He's got plenty of muscle, all right, but the furrow will go where he wants, not where you want. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography From: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) Distribution: inet Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ. Nntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu Lines: 27 In article pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes: > >>Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it >>was posted encrypted? > >>These issues are not as seperable as you maintain. > >In fact, since effective encryption makes censorship impossible, they >are almost the same issue and they certainly fall into the brief of the >EFF. It also falls within the purview of the ACLU, but that doesn't mean the ACLU (or the EFF) would be the most effective instrument to ""win the hearts and minds"" in favor of access to cryptography. It's precisely slogans like ""cryptography makes censorship impossible"" which stand to torpedo any attempt to generate a broad consensus in favor of encryption. It is not true, and in the context of a public debate it would be a dangerous red herring. Advocates of strong crypto had better prepare themselves to answer such charges in pragmatic terms that laypeople and politicians can sympathize with. The usual mumblings about Constitutional amendments are not enough. Tal kubo@math.harvard.edu ";-1;0 "From: chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: io.nosc.mil X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu wrote: : You are loosing. : There is no question about it. : Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter : how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. Care to show some *real* numbers instead of something HCI make up? I thought so, all ""foaming at the mouth"" shouting but nothing is ever said... : This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your : RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty. Well, we'll just have to wait and see about that, won't we? Or are you quite satisified with living in your little fantasy? < SNIP > : cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. There is nothing you < SNIP > : The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against : you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! Not true, it is ONLY those who are ignorant and are afraid to understand, accept, and deal with the real problems behind this violent society who are proposing gun control as a band-aid solution. May be I should refresh your memory with a quote from Prez. Clintion? ""It's the criminals, stupid!"" HEY, why is he cutting the budget for more prisons? May be someone need to remind him of what he promised...on second thought, why bother... : Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect : them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. : Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an : immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. Oooh, WACO II, coming to your living room soon... When was the last time you turned off your TV? Can't remember? I thought so... : Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions : are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will : be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... Wait, I got it, this is a late April fool post, right? I didn't think ANYBODY is stupid enough to post something like this...good one guys, this group was getting boring without Holly and Susan. --Francis Chiu, Professional Student, Programmer, Tax Payer. ";3;1 "From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) Subject: Hercules Graphite? Organization: Software Metrics Inc. Lines: 11 Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I'd love to get a real-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support? (Looking for something to replace this ATI Ultra+ with...) -- [ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ] [ ""stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth. now pull ] [ up. that's how the corrado makes you feel."" -- car, january '93 ] ";-1;0 "From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: coyoacan.sw.stratus.com In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu>, todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: > I think that's the correct spelling.. The proper spelling is Kirlian. It was an effect discoverd by S. Kirlian, a soviet film developer in 1939. As I recall, the coronas visible are ascribed to static discharges and chemical reactions between the organic material and the silver halides in the films. -- Tarl Neustaedter Stratus Computer tarl@sw.stratus.com Marlboro, Mass. Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions. ";-1;0 "From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions. Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 2 Good luck. ";10;1 "From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) Subject: SI clock reports Summary: Request for SI clock poll Keywords: SI,clock,upgrade,oscillator,chip Article-I.D.: shelley.1qokppINNree Organization: University of Washington Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu I am continuing to collect user results to produce a more comprehensive report on IIsi clock oscillator upgrades. I you have attempted the modification please drop me a note with details of your experience. The more reports obtained, the more accurate the numbers I will generate. If possible, please include the following: 1) Top speed achieved 2) System configuration at top Mhz setting a) speed rating of the CPU (the last two digits printed on CPU #) b) presence of additional heat sinks c) Nubus & FPU cards used d) floppy drive functionality on both 800 and 1.4 M disks 3) Damage incurred during modification 4) Damage due to higher speed use 5) Average length of time the CPU is on. (i.e. 8 hours a day) 6) Unusual other modifications to the usual procedure Guy Kuo ";-1;0 "From: davidw@auck.irl.cri.nz (David White) Subject: Re: How do I quickly switch between Windows screen resolutions? Organization: Industrial Research Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand Lines: 16 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: kauri.auck.irl.cri.nz In <93721@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas) writes: >In article slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes: >>Can someone out there tell me how to switch Window's screen resolution >>quickly and easily? I know that I can go back into install to do it, > Take a look at ftp.cica.indiana.edu at pub/pc/win3/(util?misc?) >for a program caleld vswitch.zip.It's as close to want you want as you can >get in WIn3.1 ... I think George is referring to switch.zip in the ~ftp/pub/pc/win3/drivers/video directory. Description reads -- Switcher: Windows Video Mode Switcher. -- david white (engineer, Goon fan & son of my Dad) Internet davidw@auck.irl.cri.nz Fax +64 9 443-4737 ";-1;0 "From: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: University of South Africa Lines: 51 In article mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu ) writes: >belief that their faith is total truth. According to them, >their beliefs come from the Bible and the bible is the word of >God and God is truth - thus they know the truth. This stance >makes it difficult to discuss other faiths with them and my own >hesitations about Christianity because they see no other way. >Their way is the 'truth.' > >But I see their faith arising from a willful choice to believe >a particular way. That choice is part faith and part reason, >but it seems to me a choice. > >My discussions with some Christians remind me of schoolyard >discussions when I was in grade school: > >A kid would say, ""All policemen are jerks!"" I'd ask, ""How do >you know?"" ""Because my daddy told me so!"" ""How do you know >you're daddy is right?"" ""He says he's always right!"" > >Well the argument usually stops right there. In the end, >aren't we all just kids, groping for the truth? If so, do we have >the authority to declare all other beliefs besides our own as >false? I find this argument very strange, though not unfamiliar. An analogy someone used a while back can perhaps illustrate it. Say, for example, there are people living on a volcanic island, and a group of geologists determine that a volcano is imminent. They warn the people on the island that they are in danger, and should leave. A group of people on the island is given the task of warning others of the danger. They believe the danger is real, but others may not. Does that mean that the first group are NECESSARILY arrogant in warning others of the danger? Does it mean that they are saying that their beliefs are correct, and all others are false? Some might indeed react to opposition with arrogance, and behave in an arrogant manner, but that is a personal idiocyncracy. It does not necessarily mean that they are all arrogant. ============================================================ Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa Internet: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za steve.hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org stephen.hayes@f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org ";17;1 "From: I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) Subject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything? Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Lines: 37 Nntp-Posting-Host: tuda tkld@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Kevin Davidson) writes: >> In my opinion, a programming degree is still worth having. > Yes, but a CS degree is *not* a programming degree. Does anybody know of >a computing course where *programming* is taught ? Computer Science is >a branch of maths (or the course I did was). > I've also done a Software Engineering course - much more practical and likely >to be the sort of thing an employer really wants, rather than what they think >they want, but also did not teach programming. The ability to program was >an entry requirement. Try the 'M.Sc. Computing Science' course at the REAL Newcastle University. It's a conversion course, but at least they teach REAL programming. In the space of 9 months we were taught PASCAL, Simula, Prolog, Miranda. Also, some basic low level stuff (68000) was covered as well. They also did concurrent programming and operating systems, some software engineering, plus quite a few optional units, including database theory, and some stuff about comms. The PASCAL is to be replaced by C/C++ I think next year - I learn't this (and X Windows programming as well) anyway via a good selection of project over the final three months - depending on your tastes, the selection of skills learn't can be quite wide reaching. The one critiscism I would level at the course, which I would have thought invaluable, is the lack of an option to do the project period in industry - this would probably need a slightly longer project period (say six months), but would enhance the prestige and usefulness of an already excellent and thorough course. Yes, I know this sounds like a plug for the course, why not! Mackem Ian. ";12;1 "From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] In-Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 23:50:03 -0500 Reply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com Organization: Lehman Brothers Lines: 36 In article <1qnupd$jpm@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes: > Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. Hey, it's better than the status quo. I am far less worried about ""the feds"" tapping my phone than high school scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and cordless phone calls. I'm a political dissident. I'm scared shitless of the feds listening in on my calls. My opinions are the sort that would get me ""disappeared"" in a slightly less free society -- and who knows what sort of society we will be in in five or ten years? I have friends who have had their phones tapped -- none of this is theoretical to me. As for ""its better than the status quo"", well, first of all, you can get a cryptophone from companies like Cylink today -- and they work well. In addition, a number of groups are now working on building software to turn any PC into a privacy enhanced phone right now -- and they are all working in overdrive mode. And yes, I'd rather just see all crypto restrictions lifted, but this is at least an incrememental improvement for certain applications... There ARE no crypto restrictions... yet. You can use anything you want RIGHT NOW. The point is to maintain that right. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com -- Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. ";-1;0 "From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: Paul on weekly collections Lines: 15 Mark Gregory Foster writes (concerning 1 Corinthians 16:2): > The idea was introduced to me once that the reason Paul wanted > the Corinthians to lay aside money for the collection on the > first day of the week was that this was when they received their > weekly wages. But the ancient Romans did not observe a seven-day week. Unless a man was working for a Jewish employer, he is unlikely to have been paid on the first day of a seven-day week. Nor would a Jewish employer have kept his wages over the week-end (see Lev 19:13; Dt 24:15). Yours, James Kiefer ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? From: jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livian Segal) Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computation Center Lines: 16 In article <1qhv50$222@bagel.cs.huji.ac.il> ranen@falafel.cs.huji.ac.il (Ranen Goren) writes: >Q: How many Nick Steel's does it take to twist any truth around? >A: Only one, and thank God there's only one. > > Ranen. Absolutely not true! There are lots of them! _____ __Livian__ ______ ___ __Segal__ __ __ __ __ __ *\ /* | | \ \ \ | | | | \ | ***\ /*** | | |__ | /_ \ \ | | | | \ | |---O---| | | / | \ | | | | \ | \ /*\ / \___ / | \ | | | \ | | \___ / | / | \/***\/ / | \ | | | | | / | | VM/CMS: JhsegalL@Weizmann.weizmann.ac.il UNIX: Jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il ";-1;0 "From: balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric J Balog) Subject: A: DRIVE WON'T BOOT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu Hi! I recently switched my 3.5"" drive to A:. The problem is, while I can read and write to both the new A: and B: correctly, I can't boot from a floppy in A:. I've checked the CMOS settings; it is set for Floppy Seek at Boot and Boot Order A:,C:. Once, I had a floppy that did not have the systems files on it in A:. I got a message telling me to put a disk systems disk in the drive. It didn't work. When I do have a systems disk in the A: drive, this is what happens: 1) Power-on and Memory Test; 2) A: light comes on 3) B: light comes on, followed by a short beep; 4) HD light comes on for an instant; 5) B: light comes on again, then nothing happens The light goes off, there is no disk activity of any kind, and the screen blanks. I can't even use ctrl-alt-del. Any suggestions. Thanks in advance. Eric Balog balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu ";-1;0 "From: m88max@tdb.uu.se (Max Brante) Subject: VGA on atari monoitor ?? Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 11 Is it possible to connect a atari monochrome monitor to some kind of VGA card? If someone have done this please let me know how. Thanx __ __ _ _ l \ / l ___ ( \/ ) Max Brante m88max@tdb.uu.se l l l l l / _ \ \ / l l\_/l l( (_) l / \ Institutionen f|r teknisk databehandling l_l l_l \__l_l(_/\_) Uppsala Universitet ";5;1 "From: 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's Lines: 14 I just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect I have for Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. First of all how could he start Maldonado over May. After the way May played at the end of last year and the way he tore up the Cactus League how could you let him sit the bench? Not to mention that a right hander (Maddux) started. I really blew my top when Lefebvre pinch hit for Rick Wilkins with TOMMY SHIELDS! How can you do that just because of the lefty-righty thing, too much is made of that. Wilkins is twice the hitter that Shields is. Then the next batter was Jose Vizcaino, one of the weakest hitters I have ever seen, and who had looked terrible at bat all day, and Lefebre let him hit, while May still sat the bench. I think even Arnie Harris was stunned by this because he showed May sitting in the dugout while Vizcaino was batting. Face it Lefebvre has got to be the worst manager in baseball. A dishard Cub fan ";-1;0 "From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) Subject: Re: Converting contents of X-window to color postscript Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. Lines: 33 Distribution: world Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de In article <1993Apr8.200441.9423@jwminhh.hanse.de>, wieck@jwminhh.hanse.de (Jan Wieck) writes: |> mbheprg@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Raju Gurung) writes: |> : Jeff Haferman (haferman@icaen.uiowa.edu) wrote: |> : > Can somebody point me to source code for dumping the contents of |> : > an X-window into a color postscript file? I have written |> : > an app which brings up an X-window, and I want (at the click |> : > of the mouse) to dump the window into a postscript file. |> : |> : |> : |> : I use xwd and xwd2ps. To do it from within a program I use |> : xwd -id xxxxx where xxxxx is the window id obtained from XtWindow(widget). |> |> He asked for sources. |> |> The portable bitmap tools from Jef Poskanzer |> include filters to do that (and much |> more). |> BTW, the X11 tools come as sources. The sillyness of most vendors lets you stuck with binaries. Anyway, have a look onto xgrab/xgrabsc. It does the IMHO best job for this, including compression. -- +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ | o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | | o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | | o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | +-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ ";-1;0 "Subject: From: bioccnt@otago.ac.nz Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand Nntp-Posting-Host: thorin.otago.ac.nz Lines: 12 Can someone please remind me who said a well known quotation? He was sitting atop a rocket awaiting liftoff and afterwards, in answer to the question what he had been thinking about, said (approximately) ""half a million components, each has to work perfectly, each supplied by the lowest bidder....."" Attribution and correction of the quote would be much appreciated. Clive Trotman ";-1;0 "From: bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day) Subject: Re: 8051 Microcontroller Organization: NASA/MSFC Lines: 12 mcole@spock (COLE) writes: >I would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family. Does anyone out >there know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers, >etc.? Try lyman.pppl.gov -- /pub/8051 -- Brian Day bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov New Technology, Inc. (205) 461-4584 Mission Software Development Division Opinions are my own - ";11;1 "From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Distribution: usa Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 19 In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: >Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts >lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis >Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell >is he thinking. Didn't Alicea get a hit, though? See y'all at the ballyard Go Braves Chop Chop Michael Mule' -- Michael Andre Mule Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: olds@helix.nih.gov (James Olds) Subject: Thule roof rack with bike accessories: $100 take it all. Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda Distribution: na Lines: 11 For Sale: A Thule Car rack with 2 bike holder accessories. Comes with Nissan Pathfinder brackets but you can buy the appropriate ones for your car cheap. Looking for $100.00 for everything. I live in the Bethesda area. Thanks for your interest. -- **************************************************************************** * James L. Olds Ph.D. Neural Systems Section * * domain: olds@helix.nih.gov NINDS, NIH, Bethesda, MD. 20892 USA * **************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils) Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Rex Wang (wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu) spews forth stupidly: > Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they > have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as > first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be > different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey. > I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same > points with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people > actually put win as first in a tie breaker...... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me that you don't actually ATTEND Rensselaer, and that you just work for ITS. Or that this was tounge-in-cheek. Does this mean that I should be cutting off my alumni contributions, or increasing them? -SG ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Smiths birthday goal was LEAFS GO ALL THE WAY !!! From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 28 In article , mwm@aps.anl.gov (Michael W. McDowell) writes: > In article 5KL@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca, kwk2chow@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (KEVIN C.) writes: >> (Thanks for the goals by Steve Smith) > I don't see why more people don't blame grant fuhr for the goal that smith > put in his own net, it's common to play the puck back to your own goalie when > deep in your own end and under little or no pressure from the offensive team. > If fuhr had been in position the puck would have never crossed the line. From this account, it doesn't sound like you even saw the goal, Mike. Smith came out from behind his own net and fired a breakout pass that hit Fuhr in the back of the leg. Fuhr was backing up at the time and never saw what happened. The puck went straight off Fuhr's leg and into the net. Fuhr never had a chance. There was no play back to the goaltender, in fact Perry Berezan of Calgary had just dumped it in and Smith was retrieving it. It was unfortunate that it happened; Smith is a nice guy and was only a rookie at the time, and on his birthday too. But all the blame lies with him. Starting in pee-wee coaches tell players never to make a cross-ice pass in front of their own net. Too much chance of having it intercepted, or hitting the goaltender, or whatever. And to the people who say that Smith cost the Oilers the series, I can only say that he certainly didn't cause the team to lose the other three games. There was no reason for a powerhouse team like Edmonton to be tied late in the third period of the 7th game of the second round. Everybody on the team has to take responsibility for them even being in that situation. Alan ";-1;0 "From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Goalie Mask Update Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 29 Here are the results after three days of voting. Remember 3pts for 1st, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd. Also, you can still turn in votes! And.. if the guy isn't a regular goalie or he is retired, please include the team! Thanks for your time, and keep on sending in those votes! Player Team Pts Votes ----------------------------------------------------------- 1. Brian Hayward San Jose 15 6 Andy Moog Boston 15 6 3. Curtis Joseph St. Louis 11 5 4. Ed Belfour Chicago 10 5 5. Gerry Cheevers Boston (retired) 5 3 Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 5 2 Ron Hextall Quebec 5 2 8. Don Beaupre Washington 4 2 ----------------------------------------------------------- Others receiving 1 vote: Artus Irbe (SJ), Tim Cheveldae (Det), Clint Malarchuck (Buf/SD,IHL), Grant Fuhr (Buf), Rick Wamsley (Tor,ret), Jon Casey (Minn), John Vanbiesbrouck (NYR), Ken Dryden (Mon,ret), Bob Essensa (Win), Mike Vernon (Cal), Glenn Healy (NYI), Tommy Soderstron (???), Ray LeBlanc (USA). -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: Re: Harry Caray Distribution: na Lines: 17 last night bill veeck cam to me in my dreams and this is what he said: cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs scuk cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs cuck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck oh yeah, he aqlso added that harry is a drunken idiot who shoulda stayed in st louis where his heart is, but also added that fair weathered fans all like to be together. i guess this is the reason harry is now a cub fan, bud man. note he never really left st, louis. jim walker go sox, cubs suck! ";-1;0 "From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: Ax the ATF Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 14 Distribution: world Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com >True, Congress has said that possesion of an unlicensed automatic >weapon is a violation of the law. Congress did not, however, say >that such possesion was a capital offense or a transgression worth >getting four good government agents killed and 16 others wounded. Even if it were a capital offense, the warrant was not even an arrest warrant, but a search warrant. In other words, there was no evidence of illegal arms, just enough of a suggestion to get a judge to sign a license to search for illegal evidence. Question: As in the Rodney King case, will the US DOJ institute criminal civil rights proceedings against the BATF? Or at least an investigation? OK, sorry I asked. ";-1;0 "From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) Subject: Re: Printing ASCII 128 and above Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot) Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout Lines: 19 In article achar@ecn.purdue.edu (Lakshminarayana Achar) writes: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: >I've got the 6.0 spec (obviously since I quoted it in my last posting). >My gripe about TIFF is that it's far too complicated and nearly >infinitely easier to write than to read,... Why not use the PD C library for reading/writing TIFF files? It took me a good 20 minutes to start using them in your own app. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Martin Preston, (m.preston@manchester.ac.uk) | Computer Graphics | |Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, | is just | |University of Manchester, | a load of balls. | |Manchester, U.K., M13 9PL Phone : 061 275 6095 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Thumbs WAY WAY WAY DOWN to ESPN Keywords: Baseball, goddamn Baseball Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 36 cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub) writes: >Tuesday, and the isles/caps game is going into overtime. >what does ESPN do..... > >Tom Mees says, ""we are obligated to bring you baseball"" We're probably stuck, as Mike Burger pointed out that the baseball deal was made far in advance of the NHL contract. WABC did the same thing; they were thankful that the Devils were wiped out by 9:30, because they had to switch over to Yankees baseball. The proof of the reasons for this is left to the reader ... It's too bad, but I wonder if ESPN is stuck with other US local team coverage for their alternate games? We got NESN's coverage of the Bruins-Sabres with the Boston homers ... they were awful!!! I've read that Derek Sanderson is the colour analyst ... I wonder if he spent his early years after hockey as an intern at PRAVDA before landing this job? *Everything* had to be twisted into something good to say about the Bruin(s) involved ... not even Bill Wirtz's shills on SC Chicago (Pat Foley, Dale Tallon) were this bad. And just to be fair, SC used to take their feed from ESN (Empire Sports Network), the Sabre homers and they were horrible too ... but they were spacy. From the CNN highlights, I hear Chris Cuthbert's voice from the CBC coverage of the Habs-Nords series. Too bad that we couldn't get it on ESPN, with all due respect to the Sabres and the Bruins. Mike Emrick is substituting on the Devils SCNY team for Gary Thorne. Mike was the original Devils TV play-by-play announcer, by the way. gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";-1;0 "From: rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui) Subject: Re: A Question I Do Not Found In FAQ Reply-To: rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil Organization: NAVSWC DD White Oak Det. Lines: 72 comp.windows.x In article <1993Apr26.122007.25760@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui) writes: Please igore my previouse calculation mistaked. Please see the correct calculation. Sorry! |> I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function |> drawed a line as below fingure: |> |> width = 300 |> ================================ |> | | |> | | |> | p1 | |> | \ | |> | \ | height = 300 |> | \ | |> | \ | |> | \ | |> | \ | |> | \ | |> | \|p3 |> | | |> |===============================| \ |> \ |> p2 |> |> I created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300. |> But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800). |> My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct |> p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3. |> x3 = 300; @ = art tan (500 - 270)/(800 - 100)) = 18.19 degrees; y3 = 100 + (300 - 270)/tan(@) = 191.29 ~= 191 integer |> |> How do I prove XDrawLine() give me the right x3, y3 or not? |> Please don't ask me why I don't created a 900x900 pixmap. No, I don't |> wan to. |> |> Thanks in advance! |> -- |> Raymond H. Chui |> NSWC N62 |> 10901 New Hampshire Ave. |> Silver Spring, MD 20903-5000 |> U.S.A. |> Voice:1(301)394-3807 Ext. 45 |> FAX:1(301)394-4483 |> EMail:rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil |> _ __ _ , __ |> ' ) ) / ' ) / / ) / |> /--' __. , , ____ ______ __/ /--/ / /_ . . o |> / \_(_(_(_/_/) ) )_(_) /) )_(_(_ / ( o (__/ / /_(_/_(_ |> / |> ' -- Raymond H. Chui NSWC N62 10901 New Hampshire Ave. Silver Spring, MD 20903-5000 U.S.A. Voice:1(301)394-3807 Ext. 45 FAX:1(301)394-4483 EMail:rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil _ __ _ , __ ' ) ) / ' ) / / ) / /--' __. , , ____ ______ __/ /--/ / /_ . . o / \_(_(_(_/_/) ) )_(_) /) )_(_(_ / ( o (__/ / /_(_/_(_ / ' ";12;1 "From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 52 In article jasons@atlastele.com (Jason Smith) writes: >In article kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes: >= This is not true. Science is a collection of models telling us ""how"", >= not why, something happens. I cannot see any good reason why the ""why"" >= questions would be bound only to natural things, assuming that the >= supernatural domain exists. If supernatural beings exist, it is >= as appropriate to ask why they do so as it is to ask why we exist. I beg to disagree with the assertion that science is a collection of models. Scientific models are a game to play, and are only as good as the assumptions and measurements (if any) that go into them. As an example, I remember when nuclear winter was the big hype in atmospheric science. It wasn't long after Sagan's admonitions that one of our boys was adding another level of reality into his model of the nuclear winter scenario at ERL in Boulder. He decided to assume that the atmosphere is more like a two-dimensional thing, than a one- dimensional thing. He also assumed that it rained and that the winds blow in the real atmosphere. On returning to Georgia Tech, he showed a transparency of atmospheric cooling rates according to the year they were generated by the models. There was an unmistakable correlation between the age (meaning simplicity of assumptions; i.e., remoteness from reality) of each model and the degree of cooling. Whereas Sagan's model showed an approximate 40-degree cooling episode, the next model in sophistication showed about half that, and so on until we got to our boy's model, which showed a 1-2 degree drop if the war happened in the winter and less than a 10 degree drop if it happened in the summer. He predicted that when we would include the presence of oceans, chemistry, the biosphere, and other indicators of reality in the models, we would probably see even less cooling. Thus nuclear winter was reduced to even less than a nuclear autumn, one might say, to a nuclear fizzle. To quote from H.S. Yoder, The postulated models have become accepted as the reality instead of the lattice of assumptions they are. Authoritarianism dominates the field, and a very critical analysis of each argument is to be encouraged.... Skepticism of the model approach to earth problems is warranted because many key parameters have not been included. This statement surely applies equally well to cosmogony. Only when convincing observational evidence substantiates the modeled results may one suggest that the model may describe the reality. Just thought I'd clear that up before things really got out of hand. -- boundary no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina) ";-1;0 "Organization: The American University - University Computing Center From: Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu> Lines: 129 Message-ID: <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu> Mr.Napoleon responds: ******************************************************* ********************* TO MR. NAPOLEON****************** ******************************************************* > Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks > who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to > believe for somebody trying to be objective. > When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot > blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. > What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? > Do you think it was your right to be there? ** There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor **until 1923 Someone had to protect them. If not us who?? Is that so? or you were taking advantage of weakness of ottoman empire to grab some land. As soon as you got green lights from allied forces, you occupied Izmir and other cities in western Turkey. You killed and raped millions people without any reason. Of course, you paid the price. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk made you swim in aegean sea but not far enough. Your aggressions thru Turkey at anytime in the past did not get you any reward and shall not get you anywhere. > I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only > not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. > It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. > I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the > visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it > was a positive attempt to make the relations better. > **Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in **Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial **waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of **Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean. What compromise are you talking about on Cyprus. That is not Greece business to join the island to Greece. That is up to people in the island to live or not to live together. They made their decision and they are living separetely now.There is a peace there. Greeks can't slaughter Turks anymore because turkish peacemaking force is there. Your dream will never come true. 12 mile territorialwater!!!! Are you joking or dreaming? We can declare our 12 miles territorial water which can come close to Athens. How would you like it? If you have any guts why don't you shoot at some Turkish ships in your dream 12 mile territorial waters? We do not have any city called Konstantinople. We have a city called ISTANBUL!!!! All the greeks in Istanbul are being treated just any other Turks. There is no difference among people in Turkey. You look at your own backyard first before talking about human rights in Turkey. What are the rights of Turks in Greece? Nothing. They do not even have basic human rights like right to have property, fredom of religion, fredom of press, fredom of vote elect their community leaders. Government of Greece publicly encourages people to destroy and burn schools, religious places, houses, and farms belong to turkish minority. Then, Greek government forces these minorities to go to Turkey without anything with them. You will dream to see Aegean sea as Greek lake but it will never happen. Think about the war between Turkey and Greece in 1915. The river called SAKARYA flood 21 days filled with blood in 1915. > The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated > people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person > because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is > not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals > why the hatred? **Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment **directly or indirecly is a ""bad"" person. **It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support **of the actions of your goverment that make you ""bad"". **People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you **are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and **as a such you must pay the price. You mean that any person who supports the actions and policies of the government of Greece is a good person. That is your Greek idea to say Turks are bad people. We know who we are and proud to be TURKS anywhere in the world. That is not Greeks business to tell us what kind of people we are. You are not at position to judge people because you are not civilized enough to give equal rights to your own minorities. Millions of minorities are being treated as third class citizen, their rights are taken away from them, and they have no voices under the Government of Greece. They are almost being treated as slaves even though we are getting into 21th century. Therefore, do not make me laught at you. > So that makes me think that there is some kind of > brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person > treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your > history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish > encounters during your schooling. > take it easy! **You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks.Just **as Greeks, Arats, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had **the luck to be under Turkish occupation. **They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction. **You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about **them from people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness. The Government of Greece is actively supporting terrorism against Turkey.Armenian and Kurdish terrorists have headquarters in Athens. They are being trained in special camps in Greece. They are taught how to kill innocent women and children.This not a claim, this is a fact known by whole world. In conlusion, you are in action to murder, rape, destroy the innocent people. I do not take you seriously because you are not at any positions to talk about human rights and dignity. Your own government, the Government of Greece actively supports atrocities in Bosnia. Serbs's Barbarism pleases your government. Please Napoleon think twice before you write anything about Turks and Turkey. You are the worst in human right conditions and treatment of the minorities. Who wants to be a fried with someone whose government does not respect the human rights, supports terrorism in Turkey,barbaric actions in Bosnia, treats Turkish minorities as third class citizen and take away all of their rights, treating them as slaves at the beginning of 21th century??????? Aykut Atalay Atakan Napoleon ";-1;0 "From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: [lds] Hal's reply Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 38 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu In article , hall@boi.hp.com (Hal Leifson) writes... [...Dr. England's story deleted, it was a nice read the first time through...]] >now lead the Church. I, for one, do not wish to be labelled ""Christian"", if >those who profess themselves as Christians attack my beliefs because they are >intollerent (for example) of the way my religion may interpret Biblical >scriptures of the same source to have a different meaning and implication >than mainstream Christianity would give it. It isn't so much a matter of 'interpretation' of Bible texts that sets Mormonism apart from orthodoxy as it is a matter of *fabrication*. About 20 years ago, _National Lampoon_ had some comic strips in them that were drawn by Neal Adams. They were called ""Son o' God"" comics. It was a parody of the Jesus in the Bible. In the comic, there were a group of thirteen Jewish kids from Brooklyn, and when one of them said the magic word, he turned into ""Son o' God."" He went from a myopic, curly headed, yarmulke wearing boy to a replica of the stylizied portraits of Jesus --- with long flowing brown hair and gentile features. Now, if someone were to profess faith in this NatLamp Jesus, and claim that they were a Christian because they believed in this NatLamp Jesus, we would have to say that this was fallacious since this Jesus was a fabrication, and did not really exist. This is the exact same thing that the LDS do when they claim that they are Christian. They profess faith in Jesus, but the Jesus that they profess to have faith in is as much a fabrication as the NatLamp Jesus was. ============================= Robert Weiss psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu ";-1;0 "From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) Subject: Re: jiggers Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 62 I may not be the world's greatest expert on chiggers (a type of mite indigenous to the south), but I certainly have spent a lot of time contemplating the little buggers over the past six years (since we moved to N.C.). Here are some observations gained from painful experience: 1. Reactions to chiggers vary greatly from person to person. Some people get tiny red bites. Others (like me) are more sensitive and get fairly large swollen sore-like affairs. 2. Chigger bites are the gift that keeps on giving. I swear that these things will itch for months. 3. There is a lot of folklore about chiggers. I think most of it is fiction. I have tried to do research on the critters, since they have such an effect on me. The only book I could find on the subject was a *single* book in UNC's special collections library. I have not yet gone through what is required to get it. 4. Based on my experience and that of my family members, the old folk remedy of fingernail polish simply doesn't work. I recall reading that the theory upon which it is based (that the chiggers burrow into your skin and continue to party there) is false. I think it is more likely that the reaction is to toxins of some sort the little pests release. But this is speculation. 5. The *best* approach is prevention. A couple of things work well. A good insect repellent (DEET) such as Deep Woods Off liberally applied to ankles, waistband, etc. is a good start. There is another preparation called ""Chig Away"" that is a combination of sulfur and some kind of cream (cortisone?) that originally was prepared for the Army and is not commercially available. In the summer I put this on my ankles every morning when I get up on weekends since I literally can't go outside where we live (in the country) without serious consequences. (They apparently don't like sulfur much at all. You can use sulfur as a dust on your body or clothing to repel them.) 6. No amount of prevention will be *completely* successful. Forget the fingernail polish. I have finally settled upon a treatment that involves topical application of a combination of cortisone creme (reduces the inflamation and swelling) and benzocaine (relieves the itch). I won't tell you all the things I've tried. Nor will I tell you some of the things my wife does since this counts as minor surgery and is best not mentioned (I also think it gains nothing). 7. The swelling and itching can also be significantly relieved by the application of hot packs, and this seems to speed recovery as well. Doctors seem not to care much about chiggers. The urban and suburban doctors apparently don't encounter them much. And the rural doctors seem to regard them as a force of nature that one must endure. I suspect that anyone who could come up with a good treatment for chiggers would make a *lot* of money. -- Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm ";-1;0 "From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI In-Reply-To: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com's message of 16 Apr 1993 07:30:17 -0400 Lines: 12 Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. <1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> In article <1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: > First off, with all these huge software packages and files that > they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit). I've seen a listing of a Seagate 1G IDE hard drive. > Second, (rumor is) Microsoft recognizes the the importance of SCSI > and will support it soon. I'm just not sure if it's on DOS, Win, or NT. Windows NT already supports SCSI, a variety of adapters, for disk, tape, and CD-ROM. So does OS/2 2.0. -- Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... ";-1;0 "From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu Thomas Parsli writes: >I don't remember the figures EXACTLY, but there were about 3500 deaths in Texas >in 1991 that was caused by guns..... >This is more than those beeing killed in car-ACCIDENTS! >(Yes, there could be that low sentences or high poverty could influence the >figures but they're still *pretty* high right??) >I also believe Texas has some of the most liberal 'gun-laws' in USA...... In Texas, you cannot carry a handgun. Period. Either concealed or open. And your numbers are misleading; they include suicides and accidents. The real number from the Department of Public Safety: Murders, Non-neg hom Car fatalities 1991 2651 3079 1992 2240 3057 Texas only has ""liberal"" gun laws as far as purchasing a firearm; aside from that, it's probably more restrictive than most states as far as carry goes. >One state (don't remember which, Texas??) tried to impose a rule that you could >only buy ONE gun each MONTH. Think you all know what happened..... The state was Virginia, and the law passed. >I respect the right to defend yourself, but that right should not inflict on >other people. That right only inflicts on those who threaten my rights to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, etc., in the first place. I am not a criminal, and I don't indiscriminately fire my weapons at random. So please explain how I am ""inflicting"" anything on other people. > This is not a .signature. > It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith > and to bring down the evil Internet. > Thomas Parsli > thomasp@ifi.uio.no aaron arc@cco.caltech.edu ";-1;0 "From: mcbride@ohsu.edu (Ginny McBride) Subject: Re: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers Article-I.D.: ohsu.mcbride.126 Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: 137.53.60.24 In article ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) writes: >In article <1993Apr21.082430@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be> wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) writes: >>What the status of Trumpet for Windows? Will it use the Windows sockets ? [stuff deleted] >Currently WinTrumpet is in very late beta. It looks like an excellent >product, with several features beyond the DOS version. >WinTrumpet supports the Trumpet TCP, Novell LWP, and there is also a direct to >packet driver version that some people are using with the dis_pkt shim. >Ashok >-- >Ashok Aiyar Mail: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu >Department of Biochemistry Tel: (216) 368-3300 >CWRU School of Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio Fax: (216) 368-4544 What's it gonna cost? Ginny McBride Oregon Health Sciences University mcbride@ohsu.edu Networks & Technical Services =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ | The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure poor reasoning, | | and inhibit clarity. With a little practice, writing can be an intimidating | | and impenetrable fog. (Academia, here I come) >Calvin & Hobbes< | =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ ";-1;0 "From: exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au Subject: extraordinary footpeg engineering Article-I.D.: csdvax.1993Apr15.001813.3907 Organization: University of New South Wales Lines: 29 Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya ! Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there was a slight difference- a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very tangible ""thunk"". I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. My bike is a Kawasaki GPX250R with footpegs that are hinged and sprung such that they fold upward and backward on contact with ground etc., and on the lower extreme corner of each peg there is mounted a ""bank-follower"", or a little stud that theoretically is the first bit to hit the ground in a 100%-banked turn. The stud is mounted on the footpeg by a threaded bit about 7 mm long, which screws into a threaded hole in the footpeg. Now for the mystery. The stud on the side of the bike that clunked when I turned was absent. I'm fairly sure it was there before the event. There was no damage to the end of the footpeg where the stud would ordinarily have been. In fact, the thread in the hole in the footpeg was perfectly intact, with no evidence of something having been forcefully ripped out of it only moments previously. Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ? How can you rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without damaging the thread in the hole ? Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo that Kawasaki never mentioned, like that the end of the footpeg suddenly changes phase on impact, to let the stud rip out, then changes back to a solid ? I'm quite amazed at how this could have happened. In the meantime, life goes on, without a left-hand bank-follower. Barry Manor DoD# 620 confused accidental peg-scraper ";-1;0 "From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: *Doppelganger* (was Re: Vulcan? No, not Spock or Haphaestus) Article-I.D.: mojo.1qkn6rINNett Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu Distribution: world Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article <1993Apr15.170048.1@fnalf.fnal.gov>, higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: >This was known as *Journey to the Far Side of the Sun* in the United >States and as *Doppelganger* in the U.K... Later, they went >on to do more live-action SF series: *UFO* and *Space: 1999*. > >The astronomy was lousy, but the lifting-body spacecraft, VTOL >airliners, and mighty Portugese launch complex were *wonderful* to >look at. They recycled a lot of models and theme music for UFO. Some of the concepts even showed up in SPACE: 1999. Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- ";-1;0 "From: Marcus Bointon Subject: Sony 1304S problems Info please! X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 22:48:46 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: meridian.demon.co.uk Organization: Sound Impressions X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 33 Anyone out there have a Sony 1304S? I have one, and it's very nice, however - If I run it in 16"" mode, the picture won't go very big. I end up with about 1"" gap either side, and .5"" top & bottom. I suspect an internal adjustment would fix this. Anyone tried it? Another problem is sub-brightness: Areas that are meant to be black (or off the main raster) are not very black. The real raster is quite visible when the screen is blanked. This is not too severe, but it is just not as good as other Trini screens I have used. If I turn the brightness/contrast down so that the raster is not visible, the real image virtually disappears! The raster size is just right if I use 1024*768, but 100dpi+ is a bit too much! Oh, and I am using a RasterOps 24XLi card. Thanks Marcus Bointon marcus@meridian.demon.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------- Marcus Bointon Tel 081 852 6662 marcus@meridian.demon.co.uk Fax 081 244 5422 ""I used Windows for a week once, but I feel better now"" ------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "Reply-To: dcs@witsend.tnet.com From: ""D. C. Sessions"" Organization: Nobody but me -- really X-Newsposter: TMail version 1.20R Subject: Re: Zionism is Racism Distribution: world Lines: 23 In <1993Apr21.104330.16704@ifi.uio.no>, michaelp@ifi.uio.no (Michael Schalom Preminger) wrote: # # In article <20APR93.23565659.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 writes: # > In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought # > Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong. They were correct # > the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily # > (the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article # > saying so. If you want a copy, send me mail. # > # Was the article about zionism? or about something else. The majority # of people I heard emitting this ignorant statement, do not really # know what zionism is. They have just associated it with what they think # they know about the political situation in the middle east. # # So Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism? Assuming that you mean 'hear', you weren't 'listening': he just told you, ""Zionism is Racism."" This is a tautological statement. --- D. C. Sessions Speaking for myself --- --- Note new network address: dcs@witsend.tnet.com --- --- Author (and everything else!) of TMail (DOS mail/news shell) --- ";-1;0 "From: atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Ata Etemadi) Subject: Ideal Operating System (Was: DEATH BLOW TO UNIX) Nntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England Lines: 45 G'Day Windows NT is a step forward, but not by much. I guess for DOS users who think multi-tasking is really _neat_ (add puke here) and are overjoyed to be able to use more than 64K of memory, its a major improvement. For Windows users its more like an upgrade with facilities most Unix users take for granted. Most of Windows users only use PCs for text processing or running 3rd-party applications anyway so the operating system features are not even a real issue. My ideal operating system: Binary compatible across all plaforms. It should recognize binaries and configure on the fly, so I don't have to have bin/Mac bin/DOS bin/Dec bin/Sun bin/HP etc... Multi-CPU. So I can use the CPUs on my PC and W/S and Mac and Transputers and DSPs. I don't know a single site which has gone for a single vendor. I am not going to trade-in 80Mflops per H1 transputer or ultra-fast FFT on DSP chips. Note NT runs on Symmetric multi-CPU systems. Built-in portable GUI/Graphics tools. You can call DrawButton or DrawLine and it does the same thing no matter what platform or display. It should also translate graphics commands on-the-fly. so I can use PC graphics S/W on my workstation and X software on my PC. I think GUIs are not just nice to have but essential. Configurable front-end. So you can make it look like Unix or DOS or NT or OS/2, and run shell scripts or command/BAT files. Object oriented. So I can program easily under it and not have to re-invent the wheel if the networking is not up to scratch or my application needs to access source/object code on the fly. In other words it should have some AI capability. That and a tight, clean kernel so you can actually understand it. Anyone know of something like this ? adios Ata <(|)>. -- | Mail Dr Ata Etemadi, Blackett Laboratory, | | Space and Atmospheric Physics Group, | | Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, | | Internet/Arpanet/Earn/Bitnet atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk or ata@c.mssl.ucl.ac.uk | | Span SPVA::atae or MSSLC:atae | ";12;1 "From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000 Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) Distribution: na Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Lines: 14 In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes: > I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the >$13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be >driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to feel >some acceleration. Handling is important also, as are reliability and pretty >low maintenance costs. A stylish appearance is nice, but I don't want a car >that is all show and not much go. Even though many of the imports are fast, I >don't really want a turbo, and I never have cared for the song sung by a four >clyinder. I'd prefer a v6 or v8 for the engine. If you have any suggestions, >Kevin Parker There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled: 5.0 LITER MUSTANG ";-1;0 "From: dstock@hpqmoca.sqf.hp.com (David Stockton) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Nntp-Posting-Host: hpqmocb.sqf.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard LTD, South Queensferry, Scotland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] Lines: 23 VINCI (filipe@vxcrna.cern.ch) wrote: : How about Kirlian imaging ? I believe the FAQ for sci.skeptics (sp?) : has a nice write-up on this. They would certainly be most supportive : on helping you to build such a device and connect to a 120Kvolt : supply so that you can take a serious look at your ""aura""... :-) : Filipe Santos : CERN - European Laboratory for Particle Physics : Switzerland This has to be THE only, generally accepted, method of using common physics lab equipment to find certain answers to all the questions about afterlifes, heavens, hells, purgatory, gods etc. Krillean photography will probably be ignored as insignificant compared to these larger eternal verities. Publishing your results could be a bit of a problem, though. Cheers David ";-1;0 "From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Re: Death Penalty / Gulf War Lines: 128 In article <930414.121019.7E4.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew writes: > rush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Voelkerding) writes: >>In article <1993Apr12.143834.26803@seachg.com> chrisb@seachg.com (Chris >>Blask) writes: >>>Add to this the outrageous cost of putting someone to death (special cell >>>block, years of court costs, extra guards...) and the benefits of the death >>>penalty entirely disappear. >> >> That's because of your earlier claim that the one innocent death >> overrides the benefit of all the others. Obviously it's tragic, but >> it is no argument for doing away with the death penalty. If we went >> to war and worried about accidentally killing civilians all of the time >> (because our determination of who the enemy really is is imperfect), then >> there is no way to win the war. > > Yes. Fortunately we have right-thinking folks like your good self in power, > and it was therefore deemed acceptable to slaughter tens or even hundreds of > thousands of Iraqis in order to liberate oil^H^H^HKuwait. We won the war, > hurrah hurrah! The number of civilian Iraqi deaths were way over-exaggerated and exploited for anti-war emotionalism by the liberal news media. The facts are that less Iraqis died in the Gulf War than did civilians in any other war of comparable size this century! This was due mostly to the short duration coupled with precise surgical bombing techniques which were technically possible only recently. The idea that ""hundreds of thousands"" of Iraqi citizens died is ludicrous. Not even ""hundreds of thousands"" of Iraqi soldiers died, and they were the ones being targeted! Or do you think that the US and its allies were specifically out to kill and maim Iraqi civilians? Either the smart bombs didn't hit their targets (and we know they did), or they were targeting civilian targets (!) which is hardly condusive to destroying Iraq's military potential. The military mission planners are not fools, they know they have to hit *military* targets to win a war. Hitting civilian targets does nothing but unite the people against you, not a laudable goal if one wants the people to rise up against their tyrant-dictator. > > OK, so some innocent people died. Yes, maybe the unarmed civilians fleeing > along that road didn't need to be bombed to bits. Perhaps that kid with half > his face burned off and the little girl with the mangled legs weren't > entirely guilty. But it's worth the death of a few innocents to save the > oil^H^H^Hlives of the Kuwaiti people, isn't it? After all, the Iraqis may > not have had a chance to vote for Saddam, but they showed their acceptance of > his regime by not assassinating him, right? All that surrendering and > fleeing along open roads was just a devious ploy. We were entirely within > our rights to bomb 'em just in case, without finding out if they were > soldiers. How about all the innocent people who died in blanket-bombing in WW2? I don't hear you bemoaning them! War is never an exact science, but with smart bombs, it's becoming more exact with a smaller percentage of civilian casualties. Sometimes mistakes are made; targets are misidentified; innocents die. That's war the way it really is. But the alternative, to allow tyrannical dictators to treat the earth like it's one big rummage sale, grabbing everything they can get is worse. Like Patrick Henry said some 217 years ago, ""I know not what course others may take -- but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"" War is always the price one must be willing to pay if one wishes to stay free. > >> The death penalty was conceived as a deterrent to crime, but the legal >> shenanigans that have been added (automatic appeals, lengthy court >> battles, etc.) have relegated that purpose to a very small part of what >> it should be. Hence the question is, do we instate the death penalty as >> it was meant to be, and see if that deters crime, or do we get rid of >> it entirely? > > Yes, let's reinstate the death penalty the way it ought to be. All that shit > about fair trials and a court of appeals just gets in the way of justice. > Let's give the police the absolute right to gun down the guilty, and save > ourselves the expense of all those lawyers. > > Think of the knock-on benefits, too. LA would never have had to spend so > much money cleaning up after riots and holding showcase trials if the cops > had been allowed to do their job properly. A quick bullet through the head > of Rodney King and another for the cameraman, and everyone would have been > saved a great deal of unnecessary paperwork and expense. > > After all, if the police decide a man's guilty, that ought to be enough. The > fact that the death penalty has been shown not to have any deterrent effect > over imprisonment, well, that's entirely irrelevant. > > > mathew > -- Mathew, your sarcasm is noted but you are completely off-base here. You come off sounding like a complete peace-nik idiot, although I feel sure that was not your intent. So the Iraqi war was wrong, eh? I'm sure that appeasement would have worked better than war, just like it did in WW2, eh? I guess we shouldn't have fought WW2 either -- just think of all those innocent German civilians killed in Dresden and Hamburg. How about all the poor French who died in the crossfire because we invaded the continent? We should have just let Hitler take over Europe, and you'd be speaking German instead of English right now. Tyrants like Hussein *have* to be stopped. His kind don't understand diplomacy; they only understand the point of a gun. My only regret is that Bush wimped out and didn't have the military roll into Baghdad, so now Hussein is still in power and the Iraqi people's sacrifice (not to mention the 357 Americans who died) was for naught. Liberating Kuwait was a good thing, but wiping Hussein off the map would've been better! And as for poor, poor Rodney King! Did you ever stop and think *why* the jury in the first trial brought back a verdict of ""not guilty""? Those who have been foaming at the mouth for the blood of those policemen certainly have looked no further than the video tape. But the jury looked at *all* the evidence, evidence which you and I have not seen. When one makes a judgment without the benefit of a trial where evidence can be presented on both sides, one has simply lowered himself to the level of vigilante justice, a state-of-mind which your sarcasm above seemingly spoke against, but instead tends to support in the case against the policemen. Law in this country is intended to protect the rights of the accused, whether they be criminals or cops. One is not found guilty if there is a reasonable doubt of one's guilt, and only the jury is in a position to assess the evidence and render a verdict. Anyone else is simply succumbing to verbal vigilantism. Regards, Jim B. ";-1;0 "From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 36 In <1993Apr19.022113.12134@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com> colling@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com (Michael Collingridge) writes: >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other The Leafs have always been kind of comical. During the second Imlach era, when Darryl Sittler was called a ""cancer on the team"", he tore the C off his sweater and for a while the Leafs didn't have a Captain. Sittler eventually ended up in Philly and he was promised the Philly captaincy by new GM (and Sittler's friend) Bobby Clarke. Instead, Sittler got traded to Detroit. Rick Vaive was the Leaf Captain for awhile but he slept in one day and they took the captaincy away from him. Then he was traded to Chicago. During Doug Carpenter's tenure as Leaf coach, in an attempt to kiss the ass of a sulking Gary Leeman, the Leafs took the A away from Brad Marsh to give to Leeman. Leeman wouldn't take it and when they tried to give it back to Marsh, he wouldn't take it neither. The best story I remember about a captain concerned Mel Bridgman, late of the Senators. While he was in Philadelphia, Bobby Clarke, arguably one of the great captains of all time, was bumped up to the status of playing coach and so he had to relinquish the captaincy. Bridgman be- came the new captain. A reporter asked a Flyer what Bridgman did as a captain since Clarke was still the undisputed leader amongst the players. The reporter was told that Bridgman was in charge of making sure that the soap dispensers in the showers were always full. -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" ";-1;0 "From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Lines: 77 Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education In article Thomas Parsli writes: >I don't remember the figures EXACTLY, but there were about 3500 deaths in Texas >in 1991 that was caused by guns..... How about ""firearm related."" >This is more than those beeing killed in car-ACCIDENTS! Texas is unusual in this regard. It would be nice to reduce them both, though. As Texas doesn't appear to have an murder rate that much higher than the national average, I would expect it is a result of a much higher suicide rate. >*I* should not suffer because of others.... Be nice if you didn't have to suffer at all. >We all agree on this one, BUT we also live in a sociaty and therefor >we'll have to give up *SOME* of our 'freedom' (Note the ''). Here's where we run into a problem. I am perfectly willing to have government regulation on something which is likely to cause others harm. What we're discussing, though, is the extreme regulation of a large group in order to target a small group, and I don't think that's appropriate. >Do you have an insurance?? >Then you'll have to pay because of what others do... > >Do you buy anything?? >YOU are paying for those who return goods, steal or even those who gets a bonus... > >Do you live with other people?? >Then you 'can't' do ererything you'd want (burping/farting playing music LOUD) Does this, then, justify anything? At some point you have to draw a line (at least to my way of thinking) where the government must have something a little more substantial than a set of percentages with which to punish an individual. Where do *you* draw the line? Or is there one? >One state (don't remember which, Texas??) tried to impose a rule that you could >only buy ONE gun each MONTH. Think you all know what happened..... Virginia. It passed. >I respect the right to defend yourself, but that right should not inflict on >other people. Does it? >It seems like you all realize that you have a problem in America, the only >problem is that you won't take the car away from the drunk driver, you >hope to cure him first. Cute analogy. The U.S. doesn't treat drunk driving like a serious crime. However, we also don't confiscate cars of people who drink. We also don't confiscate *all* cars because some people drink and drive. It's the core of the legal system that in order to punish an individual (and I'd call property confiscation a punishment) you must have evidence against that individual. That is, it isn't enough to show that the majority of people convicted of murder are white in order to convict a particular white guy of murder. >Hope life comfirms to the standard of Winnie the Poh. Huh? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" ";-1;0 "From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.com (Rev. Michael P. Deignan) Subject: Hallicrafters S120 Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Smithfield, RI 02917 Lines: 9 I have a Hallicrafters S120 SW radio for sale. Worked the last time I tried it out. Make offer. MD -- -- Michael P. Deignan / Sex is hereditary. If your -- Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com / parents never had it, chances -- AT&TNet: +1 401 273 4669 / are you won't either... -- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347 / ";-1;0 "From: filinuk@staff.dccs.upenn.edu (Geoff Filinuk) Subject: Get Real. Caps have no chance Reply-To: filinuk@staff.dccs.upenn.edu (Geoff Filinuk) Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.dccs.upenn.edu Anyone who really believes that the Caps can beat the Pens are kidding themselves. The Pens may not loose one game in the playoffs. Geoff Filinuk Flyers Fan ";-1;0 "From: mtissand@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Tissandier) Subject: Re: Phillies sweep; Reds awful: Reds report 4-14 Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 63 In article rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) writes: >Actually, I'm not sure that Philly won-- but they were ahead 2-7 in the bottom >of the eighth. I was going to post the box score but since Cinci was playing >so criminally bad, the pub I was at had to turn the game off. > >So here's what's up: > >Cincinnati had seven hits, all singles, by the end of the eighth. This makes >it six games with exactly ONE extra base hit. > >Cincinnati was 0-5 with runners in scoring position. >---Now if a team is going to be completely without power, they absolutely >HAVE to hit in clutch situations. > >Cincinnati starter Tom Browning pitched 4.1 innings, giving up 5 runs and 10 h its >while striking out 5. He was surely the loser tonight. >---Reds starters, while supposedly solid, have won only one game this year. >(Of course, the Reds have only won two...) > >Clean-up batter Sabo went 0-4. Besides yesterday's homer, he's SUCKED at the plate. > >Dibble may not actually return Friday. This may not mean anything since Cinci may >not find themselves in a save situation for a while... > >Speaking of which, The Reds have ha exactly one lead this week... for one-and- >a-half innings after Chris' dinger on Tuesday. > >Manager Tony Perez says the Reds are just not swinging the bat well right now. >---Good call, Doggie. Well, there's a big difference between ""just not swinging the bat well"" and what the Reds are doing at the plate....UUUGGGHHHH!!!!! A Reds fan on the verge of a nervous breakdown.... --Mike ""Why is it that the prognosis on Kevin Mitchell is 'Out 2-3 days' no matter what day you read it???"" -Gary Burbank ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I've told you before and I'll tell you again. The strong survive and the weak disappear. We do not intend to disappear. ---Jimmy Hoffa mtissand@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >Cynically yours, > > >RStimets ";-1;0 "From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) Subject: Re: What is going on?... Lines: 17 Organization: Curtin University of Technology Distribution: inet In article <1993Apr16.055100.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes: ... > If you can't be bothered reading, get the video ""Manufacturing Consent"". > In reply to mail queries; I don't know if a video is available yet. I asked about a month ao and was told RSN. Several have also asked which of Chomskys books. My answer is ALL of them, and anything else you can get as well. How ever, due to irritations like the 24 hr day etc, I would say 'Manafacturing Conscent' first, them th last parts of 'Detering Democracy' ie the bits about the ""domestic 3rd world"". Chilling. Anyone at MIT have a good St. Noam bibliography? ~Paul ";-1;0 "From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: Idle questions for fellow atheists Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 59 acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu wrote: : I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of : the world if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group : of the population. I've been thinking about this every now and then since I cut my ties with Christianity. It is surprising to note that a large majority of people, at least in Finland, seem to be apatheists - even though 90 % of the population are members of the Lutheran Church of Finland, religious people are actually a minority. Could it be possible that many people believe in god ""just in case""? It seems people do not want to seek the truth; they fall prey to Pascal's Wager or other poor arguments. A small minority of those who do believe reads the Bible regularly. The majority doesn't care - it believes, but doesn't know what or how. People don't usually allow their beliefs to change their lifestyle, they only want to keep the virtual gate open. A Christian would say that they are not ""born in the Spirit"", but this does not disturb them. Religion is not something to think about. I'm afraid a society with a true atheist majority is an impossible dream. Religions have a strong appeal to people, nevertheless - a promise of life after death is something humans eagerly listen to. Coupled with threats of eternal torture and the idea that our morality is under constant scrutiny of some cosmic cop, too many people take the poison with a smile. Or just pretend to swallow (and unconsciously hope god wouldn't notice ;-) ) : Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a : higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking. The : typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the : same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the : other, qualitatively. But then again a measuring stick must be drawn : somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core, : than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it : expresses its own selfishness. If logic and reason are valued, then I would claim that atheistic thinking is of higher value than the theistic exposition. Theists make unnecessary assumptions they believe in - I've yet to see good reasons to believe in gods, or to take a leap of faith at all. A revelation would do. However, why do we value logic and reasoning? This questions bears some resemblance to a long-disputed problem in science: why mathematics works? Strong deep structuralists, like Atkins, have proposed that perhaps, after all, everything _is_ mathematics. Is usefulness any criterion? Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. ";-1;0 "From: hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg) Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake Nntp-Posting-Host: s3saturn Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA Lines: 26 In article smith@minerva.harvard.edu (Steven Smith) writes: >dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes: >> THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE >> >> by Theodore J. O'Keefe >> [Holocaust revisionism] >> >> Theodore J. O'Keefe is an editor with the Institute for Historical >> Review. Educated at Harvard University . . . > >According to the 1990 Harvard Alumni Directory, Mr. O'Keefe failed to >graduate. You may decide for yourselves if he was indeed educated >anywhere. > >Steven Smith Is any education a prerequisite for employment at IHR ? Is it true that IHR really stands for Institution of Hysterical Reviews? Curious minds would like to know... Hap -- **************************************************************************************************** <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Omnia Extares >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **************************************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) Subject: Preamp and CD player forsale in MA Article-I.D.: cheever.eric-060493114735 Organization: Center for Clinical Computing - Boston, MA. Lines: 28 Forsale: Proton P1100 preamplifier ========================= About 3.5 years old, originally $299, asking $150 or best offer. Has inputs for tape 1, tape 2, CD, phono, video and tuner. Separate listen and record selectors. Bass EQ, subharmonic filter and mono switch. High quality volume potentiometer. In excellent condition, with original boxes and manual. Sony D-88 portable Diskman ========================== This is the one designed to play the mini CD's. You can play normal size CDs, but the disk sticks out the side. Works well, but may skip occasionally - it should be tuned up (heads aligned, cleaned, etc.) In excellent condition. It has not been used all that much. With carrying case. Original list was (I think) $300, but I'll take $80 or best offer. It would be good for an office or just to sit on your desk. Please email me or telephone at (617) 278-0068. Eric *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | Eric J. Hansen .................... eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu | | Center for Clinical Computing .......... Boston, MA (617) 732-5925 | | .... DOS/Mac programming, Ultrix administration, general chaos .... | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* ";-1;0 "From: (iisi owner) Subject: iisi clock upgrades Organization: cumc Lines: 4 Any new reports about iisi clock upgrade to 25 mhz, 33 mhz? Any failures? -a iisi owner with a slow mac and an itchcy soldering iron ";-1;0 "From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) Article-I.D.: news.C5Jowp.KJG Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 58 writes: > Mr. Tamamidis: >Before repling your claims, I suggest you be kind to individuals >who are trying to make some points abouts human rights, discriminations, >and unequal treatment of Turkish minority in GREECE.I want the World >know how bad you treat these people. You will deny anything I say but >It does not make any difrence because I will write things that I saw with >my eyes.You prove yourself prejudice by saying free insurance, school >etc. Do you Greeks only give these things to Turkish minority or >everybody has rights to get them.Your words even discriminate >these people. You think that you are giving big favor to these >people by giving these thing that in reality they get nothing. No. I do not thing we are doing them a favor. I have simply stated that they are not treated as a second class citizens. That was my point. I fail to see how my words show discrimination. And what do you mean that they do not get nothing? Is, for example, helth insurance, food, and tuition nothing? >If you do not know unhuman practices that are being conducted >by the Government of the Greece, I suggest that you investigate >to see the facts. Then, we can discuss about the most basic >human rights like fredom of religion, fredom of press of Turkish >minority, ethnic cleansing of all Turks in Greece,fredom of >right to have property without government intervention, >fredom of right to vote to choose your community leaders, >how Greek Government encourages people to destroy >religious places, houses, farms, schools for Turkish minority then >forcing them to go to turkey without anything with them. I'm sorry, but I cannot see any logical order in the above argument. >Before I conclude my writing, let me point out how Greeks are >treated in Turkey. We do not consider them Greek minority, instead >we consider a part of our society. What part exactly is this one? The people cannot even sell their property if they want to leave Turkey. The patriarch could not get a permision to renovate some buildings for decades; it needed a special agreement between the two goverments for this. Talk about a part of the society? Why has the size of the Greek community reduced to 1,500 old people and priests then? >There is no difference among people in Turkey. Yeah, you bet. >All big businesses >belong to Greeks in Turkey and we are proud to have them.unlike the >Greece which tries to destroy Turkish minority, We encourage all >minorities in Turkey to be a part of Turkish society. You are far off from the reality. >Aykut Atalay Atakan Panos Tamamidis ";-1;0 "From: M. Burnham Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 16:39:59 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.57.72.65 Organization: Novell Inc. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12 Lines: 16 In article Robert Mugele, rmugele@oracle.com writes: >Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S. Then the cager will pull a gun >and blow you away. Well, I would guess the probability of a BMW driver having a gun would be lower than some other vehicles. At least, I would be more likely to say something to someone in a luxosedan, than a hopped-up pickup truck, for example. - Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966 DoD#0747 Alfa Romeo GTV-6 '90 Ninja 750 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: Re: ringing ears Keywords: ringing ears, sleep, depression Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 50 In article <10893@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM> jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) writes: > > >A friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing. The ringing is so loud >that she has great difficulty sleeping at night. She says that she hasn't >had a normal night's sleep in about 6 months (she looks like it too :-(). >This is making her depressed so her doctor has put her on anti-depressants. Sometimes I have a problem with doctor's prescribing medicine like this. I of course don't know the exact situation, and anti-depressants may work, but it isn't helping the ringing at all, is it? >The ringing started rather suddenly about 6 months ago. She is quickly losing >sleep, social life and sanity over this. Mine started about three years back. Turns out I have tinnitus bilateral (translation: ringing in both ears, basically ;). If this is what it is, she'll probably get used to it. It would keep me up and drive me nuts too, but nowadays, I have to plug both my ears with my fingers to check to see if they are ringing. Usually they are, but you get so used to it, it just gets tuned out. Yes, this is what I've read about it... not just from my own personal experience. >Does anyone know of any treatments for this? Any experience? Coping >mechanisms? Any opinions on the anti-depressant drugs? Millions have it, according to my physician. You just learn to cope with it (like I mentioned earlier) by ignoring it. It eventually becomes unconscious. The doc also said it could be caused by diet (ie: too much caffeine) and stress, but I haven't changed my lifestyle much, and it just comes and goes (it is always there somewhat, but now I rarely notice it when it really ""kicks in""). Also, it doesn't necessarily mean there is any hearing loss, either caused by it or causing it. I had an ENT (ear/nose/throat) exam, and passed. In fact, my hearing is quite good considering I don't take as good of care of my hearing as I should. Her reaction is normal. If it is tinnitus, chances are good she'll begin to not even notice it. This info is taken mostly from a few ""experts"", my own experience, and some readings (sorry, it was a few years back and don't have any specifics handy). JT ";-1;0 "From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: islamic authority over women Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 37 Benedikt Rosenau (I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de) wrote: : When the object of their belief is said to be perfect and make the believers : act in a certain way and we observe that they don't, we have a contradiction. : Something defined contradictorily cannot exist. That what the believe in does : not exist. Secondly, there are better explanations for why they believe than : the existence of the object of their belief. : : : Have you read the FAQ already? : Benedikt Benedikt, I can't recall anyone claiming that God -makes- anyone act a particlar way, I think that you're attempting to manufacture a contradiction. God is said to require certain behavior, but the only compulsion is the believer's sense of duty. A standard of conduct does exist, but we are free to ignore it or misunderstand it or distort it in whatever ways we find convenient, but our response to God's edicts can in no way be used to question God's existence. The behavior of believers is a completely separate question from that of God's existence; there is nothing contradictory here. To say that something defined contadictorily cannot exist, is really asking too much; you would have existence depend on grammar. All you can really say is that something is poorly defined, but that in itself is insufficient to decide anything (other than confusion of course). Your point that there are better reasons for the phenomenon of belief than the object of belief may lead to a rat's nest of unnecessary complexity. I think I know what you're implying, but I'd like to see your version of this better alternative just the same. Bill ";9;1 "From: tds32845@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tony Shan ~{5%6+9b~}) Subject: Re: Help with hooking Irwin tape drive to PC Keywords: Irwin tape backup, external unit, help Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 I would like to thank all those people who responded to my post. I would, however, like to clear some things up. My tape drive is *external*. Also, the connector on the back of it is of the male DB-37 pin variety. As a result, I cannot easily find a cost-effective solution to use the drive. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. I would prefer email. Thanks! ..Tony Shan ..tonys@uiuc.edu ";-1;0 "From: reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) Subject: Cell Church discussion group Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Lines: 15 I am beginning an e-mail discussion group about cell churches. If you are a follower of Jesus Christ and are - in a cell church, or - in a church that is transitioning to a cell church, or - just interested in learning more about cell churches, send me e-mail. (I reserve the right to remove anybody from the group who does not demonstrate a spirit of humility and Christlikeness.) -- ****************************************************************** * Jon Reid * He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep * * reid@cs.uiuc.edu * to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot * ****************************************************************** ";17;1 "From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: The fact of the theory Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 74 In article , adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters) writes: [...stuff deleted...] Andy-- I think we do agree, given your clarification of how we were each using the terms fact and theory. I'll only add that I think perhaps I feel more strongly about separating them, though your usage is quite valid. >Note that the fact of evolution is still a theory. In other words, it >could, theoretically, still be falsified and rejected. But since it's >so predictive, and so consistently supported by evidence, it seems >pointless to explicitly try to falsify it anymore. I'll add here that any falsification or rejection does not in any way reduce its current usefulness. So long as it accurately predicts or describes things we can observe. Not to be a pain in the ass, but is there any reason you don't just say _the theory of evolution_ rather than the _fact of evolution is still a theory_. I'm asking because this whole thread got started because I was bothered by a post that referred to _the fact of evolution_, basically leaving off the phrase _is still a theory_. Without a clarification, like the one you just gave, just saying _the fact of evolution_ has a very different meaning to me. > >[description of atomic theory, and alternative theories of gravity, deleted] >>Both are very useful models that >>have no religious overtones or requirements of faith, unless of course you >>want to demand that it is a factual physical entity described exactly >>the way the theory now formulated talks about it. > >Here is where you fail to make an important distinction. You have >shoehorned the _facts_ of the _existence_ of gravity and atoms and >evolution into one category with the _theories_ which have been >proposed to explain the _mechanisms_. The existence of these things >is so predictive as to be considered fact. The mechanisms, on the >other hand, are still worth discussing. I'm not sure I agree here. Again, it may be because I feel stronger about separating terms. I was trying to say that the _theories_ proposed to explain the _mechanisms_ and the _mechanisms_ themselves are the only realities here. It is the existence of mechanisms, not the things themselves, that are so predictive as to be considered fact (as you would say). There aren't really little planetary particle systems called atoms out there. Or I should say, and more to my original point, it would be a leap of faith to say there are, because we observe only the mechanisms. There is no need to _believe_ there are _actually_ atoms out there as we have decided to think about them. It's enough to discuss the mechanisms. At any rate, I'm not sure I am being any clearer than before, but I thought it was worth a shot. The bottom line, though, is I think we agree on two fundamental ideas: 1. --evolution is a theory supported by observational evidence (my way) --the fact of evolution is a theory supported by observational evidence (your way) 2. --creation is just an opinion. If a theist wants to call it a theory then he can. I won't: it has no supporting evidence and it neither predicts nor supports any observations that can be made. With no mechanisms to talk about, there really isn't much to say. Do you agree? -- jim halat halat@bear.com bear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you-- nyc i speak only for myself ";-1;0 "From: forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman) Subject: Mac Classic II Originator: forman@owl Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF Lines: 13 Mac Classic 2 4/40 for sale 1 year old, excellent condition Includes dustcovers, freeware/shareware (including many fonts ) $800.00 email or call 510/947-6987 (SF Bay Area) -- ******************************************************************** forman@ide.com * ``Things that are Real are given and received * !sun!ide!forman * in Silence'' M.B. * ******************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) Subject: Re: Happy Easter! Nntp-Posting-Host: birdie.i88.isc.com Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL Lines: 13 In article <1993Apr15.071740.17850@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch writes: >BA were trying to sell RR to BMW - even tested a BMW V16 in a Corniche!! I >think it will remain British for the time being - until BA get hard up >anyway! Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm? Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it. -- Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 ""Gleep"" Naperville, IL __ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet, \/ followed by the words ""Daddy! Yay!"" ";-1;0 "From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) Subject: Re: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: grl.isi.edu In-reply-to: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET's message of 19 Apr 93 14:58:49 GMT In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: > > In article arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal > Arens) writes: > > >Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993. P. A1. > > ........ > > The problem if transffering US government files about Yigal Arens > and some other similar persons does or does not violate a federal > or a local American law seemed to belong to some local american law > forum not to this forum. > The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents > of those files. > So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: > 1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? I'm not aware that the US government considers me dangerous. In any case, that has nothing to do with the current case. The claim against the ADL is that it illegally obtained and disseminated information that was gathered by state and/or federal agencies in the course of their standard interaction with citizens such as myself. By that I refer to things such as: address and phone number, vehicle registration and license information, photographs, etc. > 2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ? You should ask the ADL, if you want an authoritative answer. My guess is that they collected information on anyone who did or might engage in political criticism of Israel. I further believe that they did this as agents of the Israeli government, or at least in agreement with them. At least some of the information collected by the ADL was passed on to Israeli officials. In some cases it was used to influence, or attempt to influence, people's access to jobs or public forums. These matters will be brought out as the court case unfolds, since California law entitles people to compensation if such actions can be proven. As my previous posting shows, California law entitles people to compensation even in the absence of any specific consequences -- just for the further dissemination of certain types of private information about them. -- Yigal Arens USC/ISI TV made me do it! arens@isi.edu ";-1;0 "From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: RIMSAT, US/Russian joint venture Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 121 I've been to three talks in the last month which might be of interest. I've transcribed some of my notes below. Since my note taking ability is by no means infallible, please assume that all factual errors are mine. Permission is granted to copy this without restriction. Michael Sternberg, Cheif of Operations of RIMSAT, was invited to speak at an informal lunch held by ACDIS here on the campus of the University of Illinois. ACDIS is an organization on campus that deals with Arms Control, Disarmament and International Security. RIMSAT was considered an appropriate topic because the company is using Russian launchers and satellites. I think it also helped that his daughter is a grad student in the International Relations program. The concept behind RIMSAT apparently began when Matt Neilson (?) went to Tonga to visit a friend. While he was there, he somehow ended up visiting the king, who happened to be a big TV fan. Matt bought the King a satellite dish, which the king thought was really nifty. Since Tonga has a GNP of about $70 million, His Majesty asked if there was any way to make money off this. Matt thought there probably was, so at his suggestion, Tonga applied for 31 geosynchronous satellite slots. While this isn't entirely off the wall, it was very unusual, seeing as Tonga was a tiny kingdom with no space program, and 31 is a lot of slots. The whole thing was debated in the appropriate regulatory agency and Carl Hilliard (who is apparently a respected space lawyer) wrote several opinions supporting Tonga's case. Eventually Tonga ended up with 7 slots, ranging from 70 E to 170 E (slots are designated by the longitude over which they reside). According to Sternberg, four of these, from 130 E to 142 E are the best in the world because they are excellently placed for communications between Hawaii and the Pacific Rim. RIMSAT was formed to use these slots. It was officially formed in Nevis as a tax haven. They tried for a few years to raise funds in the west, however, to fill 7 slots with western satellites launched on western launchers would have cost approximately $2 billion. It's not easy to raise that kind of money. Eventually, they hit upon the idea of using Russian hardware. They began negotiating with Glavkosmos for hardware. Mr Sternberg describes operating in Moscow in such harsh terms that I don't think I'll visit there for a long time. Besides a significant lack of creature comforts, he was not happy with the way that people operate. For example ""everybody can sell you everything."" Everyone can show the proper documents and licenses that indicate they are the only ones who have the authority to sell what ever you want to by. Eventually, RIMSAT arranged a deal with Glavkosmos for 6 satellites at a cost of $150 million. However, Glavkosmos lost favor after the coup. Sternberg says that this is because they were basically a bunch of KGB operatives who went to trade shows and picked up lots of brochures. Since Glavkosmos was out of power, he had to renegotiate the deal with the new authorities. He again described life in a Moscow hotel in rather unfavorable terms. Eventually, he worked out a deal and on Dec 4, 1992 he met with Koptev, who heads the Russian space program, to sign the deal. Koptev insisted on a few concessions before signing and according to Sternberg he arranged these new rules to allow himself to form another company to do the exact same thing as RIMSAT. The next step was to meet with the builders of the hardware, NPO Applied Mechanics -- NPO PM to use their acronym. This organization is located in Siberia (can't figure out how to spell the town, I need an atlas) and has built about 1500 vehicles since the dawn of the space age. Sternberg commented that siberians are very different from Musovites. They are hard workers, honest people who team up to get things done, very much like midwesterners. At this point there were some comments from the audience that agreed with his opinion on both siberians and midwesterners :-) Sternberg had lots of good things to say about NPO PM. His company is apparently lookng for $100 million to invest in the firm to become 50% partners.It apparently costs the Russians about $4 million to build a satellite that would sell for $50 million in the west. If you want to give them specifications, they'll build you a satellite. For the particular satellites that RIMSAT will be using, costs run about $378,000 per transponder year. This compares to $810,000 t/y in the U.S. They can sell their time for about $1.1 million compared to $2.6 million in the U.S. RIMSAT will launch their satellites on Protons. To get the best prices, they bought in bulk. They have the rights to twelve launches, so if any of you need a lift I can give you their address. The first launch is scheduled for October and they are getting one used satellite from the Russians, which is being moved into place now. Tidbits: * Sternberg says this kind of thing has to be done by entrepreneurs, not big business because big business is just like what they have over there, except that ""we have better paper, both in the bathroom and in the copier."" * Russian launches are self insured. The promise to replace a failed launch within 9 months. * Major investors in RIMSAT include Russell 20/20, which is a huge retirement fund organization, Cellsat, which is a big telecom business in southeast Asia, and a fund operated by some of the big names in U.S aerospace which he says is sort of an insurance policy for them if this really takes off. * He downplayed the instabilites in the ex-USSR saying that we are worried partly because we aren't used to seeing Russia as anything but an unvarying monolith. Italy gets a new government ""every two weeks"" but we don't worry because we're used to it. He predicted that once we get used to seeing what really goes on in Russia we won't worry about their stability as much. * Part of the problem with cooperative ventures is the problem of transfering money. The central bank has a policy of taking hard currency payments, putting 25% in their coffers and replacing the rest with the ""equivalent"" value in rubles. To get around this, RIMSAT pays their hard currency into an Austrian bank account. NPO PM then pays their contractors with foreign currency so that the only the contractors get swindled by the government. * One of the big problems RIMSAT has had is stonewalling by the western satellite industry. However, Intelsat recently bought three of the same type of satellites, which was rather reassuring. * The biggest worry most people have about russian satellites is the primitive technology and shorter lifetime. The older Gorizont (Horizon) satellites have a lifetime of about 5 years, while the more modern Express satellites compare well with western technology and last about 8 years. While this is much shorter than 15 years for western satellites, Sternberg downplayed the difference. At these prices they can afford to launch new ones. In addition, shorter lifetimes mean that they can replace their equipment with newer technology so they will be able to compete better than older, out of date hardware. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal ";-1;0 "From: mars@carroll1.cc.edu (Sean Tyler Mars) Subject: Help: Blowing the stack Expires: 29 Apr 93 23:00:00 GMT Organization: Carroll College-Waukesha, WI Lines: 25 Hi everyone, I have a question regarding my stack on my pc. I am programming in Turbo C 3.0 and my program is rather large (model large too). I keep getting errors that I am running out of memory after a while of running the program. When I compile the program, it says I have 4.45 meg of RAM so I can't seem to explain why it crashes. All it is doing is running in a loop while the operator is idle and after a while of sitting, it will screw up all the variables. This leads me to believe that my stack is filling up and overflowing. Does the program take memory up when it is calling void functions that do not return anything?? I have been working on this problem for days and I would really appreciate any responce. If this is not the correct newsgroup, I will gladly re-post, but this is the only I could find. Thanks in advance, Sean Mars Email mars@carroll1.cc.edu Carroll College Waukesha, WI ";-1;0 "From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) Subject: Selective Placebo X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. Lines: 34 From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: JB> RR> ""I don't doubt that the placebo effect is alive and well with JB> RR> EVERY medical modality - estimated by some to be around 20+%, JB> RR> but why would it be higher with alternative versus conventional JB> RR> medicine?"" JB> JB> Because most the the time, closer to 90% in my experience, there is no JB> substance to the 'alternative' intervention beyond the good intentions of the JB> practitioner, which in itself is quite therapeutic. [.......] JB> JB> John Badanes, DC, CA JB> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu Well, if that's the case in YOUR practice, I have a hard time figuring out how you even managed to make it into the bottom half of your class, or did you create your diplomas with crayons? If someone runs a medical practice with only a 10% success rate, they either tackle problems for which they are not qualified to treat, or they have no conscience and are only in business for fraudulent purposes. OTOH, who are we kidding, the New England Medical Journal in 1984 ran the heading: ""Ninety Percent of Diseases are not Treatable by Drugs or Surgery,"" which has been echoed by several other reports. No wonder MDs are not amused with alternative medicine, since the 20% magic of the ""placebo effect"" would award alternative practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine... --Ron-- --- RoseReader 2.00 P003228: Purranoia: the fear your cat is up to something RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 ";4;1 "From: v5914ane@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Steve) Subject: Wanted Ultima 5 for IBM Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 4 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu I am looking for Ultima V for the IBM, I would like the entire package (meaning I need more than just the game, I would like the Docs also) Since it is an old game I do not want to pay a lot of money. If you are interested in selling this game please respond to this message. ";-1;0 "From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh) Subject: Re: How is a Loopback connector made? Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca wrote: : I need to know the Pins to connect to make a loopback connector for a serial : port so I can build one. The loopback connector is used to test the : serial port. : : Thanks for any help. : : : Steve : Me Too!!!!!!! skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au ";-1;0 "From: trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) Subject: Theists And Objectivity Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Lines: 90 Can a theist be truly objective? Can he be impartial when questioning the truth of his scriptures, or will he assume the superstition of his parents when questioning? I've often found it to be the case that the theist will stick to some kind of superstition when wondering about God and his scriptures. I've seen it in the Christian, the Jew, the Muslim, and the other theists alike. All assume that their mothers and fathers were right in the aspect that a god exists, and with that belief search for their god. Occasionally, the theist may switch religions or aspects of the same religion, but overall the majority keep to the belief that some ""Creator"" was behind the universe's existence. I've known Muslims who were once Christians and vice versa, I've known Christians who were once Jewish and vice versa, and I've even known Christians who become Hindu. Yet, throughout their transition from one faith to another, they've kept this belief in some form of higher ""being."" Why? It usually all has to do with how the child is brought up. From the time he is born, the theist is brought up with the notion of the ""truth"" of some kind of scripture-- the Bible, the Torah, the Qur'an, & etc. He is told of this wondrous God who wrote (or inspired) the scripture, of the prophets talked about in the scripture, of the miracles performed, & etc. He is also told that to question this (as children are apt to do) is a sin, a crime against God, and to lose belief in the scrip- ture's truth is to damn one's soul to Hell. Thus, by the time he is able to read the scripture for himself, the belief in its ""truth"" is so ingrained in his mind it all seems a matter of course. But it doesn't stop there. Once the child is able to read for himself, there is an endeavor to inculcate the child the ""right"" readings of scripture, to concentrate more on the pleasant readings, to gloss over the worse ones, and to explain away the unexplainable with ""mystery."" Circular arguments, ""self-evdent"" facts and ""truths,"" unreasoning belief, and fear of hell is the meat of religion the child must eat of every day. To doubt, of course, means wrath of some sort, and the child must learn to put away his brain when the matter concerns God. All of this has some considerable effect on the child, so that when he becomes an adult, the superstitions he's been taught are nearly impossible to remove. All of this leads me to ask whether the theist can truly be objective when questioning God, Hell, Heaven, the angels, souls, and all of the rest. Can he, for a moment, put aside this notion that God *does* exist and look at everything from a unbiased point of view? Obviously, most theists can somewhat, especially when presented with ""mythical gods"" (Homeric, Roman, Egyptian, & etc.). But can they put aside the assumption of God's existence and question it impartially? Stephen _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ * Atheist _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Libertarian _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-individuality _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ * Pro-responsibility _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Jr. * and all that jazz... -- [This is ad hominem attack of the most basic kind. None of their statements matter -- they believe the way they do because they were brought up that way. Of course there are atheists who have become theists and theists who have become atheists. Rather more of the latter, which is not surprising given the statistics. It's hard to see how one could possibly answer a posting of this sort, since any answer could immediately be assumed to be just part of the brainwashing. That is, how can anyone possibly show that they aren't biased? --clh] ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr19.113255.27550@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote: > >Fred, the problem with such reasoning is that for us non-believers > >we need a better measurement tool to state that person A is a > >real Muslim/Christian, while person B is not. As I know there are > >no such tools, and anyone could believe in a religion, misuse its > >power and otherwise make bad PR. It clearly shows the sore points > >with religion -- in other words show me a movement that can't spin > >off Khomeinis, Stalins, Davidians, Husseins... *). > > I don't think such a system exists. I think the reason for that is an > condition known as ""free will"". We humans have got it. Anybody, using > their free-will, can tell lies and half-truths about *any* system and > thus abuse it for their own ends. I don't think such tools exist either. In addition, there's no such thing as objective information. All together, it looks like religion and any doctrines could be freely misused to whatever purpose. This all reminds me of Descartes' whispering deamon. You can't trust anything. So why bother. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Looking for a good Spice book From: juhan@piko (Juhan Poldvere) Organization: Tartu University, Department of Chemistry Nntp-Posting-Host: piko.chem.ut.ee X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]Lines: 17 Lines: 17 In NEIL B. GANDLER (v064mb9k@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote: :> I am an electrical engineering student and its a must that I get familiar :> with spice. I have been using it and getting used to it but it would :> be great to have a good reference manual that explains everything in an :> organized and concise. I current have ""A guide to circuit simulation & :> Analysis using spice"". I feel it has the information is just randomly placed :> in the book and its not easy to look up small things when you just :> need a good reference book. I would appreciate any info. Thanks There is a postscript manual at ic.berkeley.edu in pub/spice3/um.3f.ps directory (about 650kbytes, 126 pages). -- Juhan Poeldvere, ES5QX | juhan@chem.ut.ee Tartu University, Dept. of Chemistry | fax: 372 (34) 35440 2 Jakobi St., EE-2400, Tartu, Estonia, via Stockholm | voice: 372 (34) 35429 ";11;1 "From: sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) Subject: Re: Good Jewish Arguments Lines: 90 kwfinken@pooh.harpo.uccs.edu (Kevin W. Finkenbinder) wrote: >scott@born.phys.virginia.edu wrote: >: >:[intro deleted...] >: >: 1) Jesus wasn't really descended from David as the Messiah was supposed >: to have been. Joseph was, but Christians say that Joseph wasn't related to >: Jesus truthfully. > > If you look at the geneology of Christ in Luke 3 and the one in >Matthew 1 you will notice that they trace different lines back to David. >I have been told that one traces Mary's line back to David and the other >traces Joseph's line back to David. (Both of them go beyond David in >history) Acording to some of my Jewish friends, ""Jewishness"" is passed >to a child by the mother and the legal rights of ""Jewishness"" are passed >through the father. If it is true that one of these geneologies is >Mary's, then Christ's bloodline is from David through His mother. This >also means that Christ had all of the legal rights of a decendant of >David as according to at least Roman law (and possibly Mosaic law as >well, but I am not sure) Joseph was Christ's LEGAL FATHER. The argument for Luke's genealogy being that of Mary is very weak. According to Luke 3:23 And when he began his ministry, Jesus himself was about thirty years of age, being supposedly the son of Joseph, the son of Eli, Aside from the fact that Mary is not mentioned, there are two possible interpretations: either Joseph was her father or he was her brother. Clearly this is not acceptable. A third would be that Joseph, the son of Eli, was her Father and just happened to have the name as the man to whom she was betrothed. But that would seem to be grasping at straws. The most straightforward interpretation is that Luke had no intention of tracing Mary's genealogy (in which case he would have named her) but that he traces her husband's, from David's son Nathan. The Matthew descendant list most definitely traces down from David's son, Solomon, to Joseph. Matthew 1:16 reads: And to Jacob was born Joseph, the husband of Mary, by whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. There are two apparent problems. The first is, how to reconcile the two paternal genealogies - which diverge with the sons of David, Solomon and Nathan. The second is, why is any genealogy of Joseph relavent at all, if Joseph had nothing to do with it. If Joseph was not Jesus's physical father, then the original poster is quite correct, that claims for Jesus's messianic heritage are not based on truth but only on appearances, whatever Jesus's divine nature was. The second problem is easy, in my mind. We assume that Joseph was not involved in the conception of Jesus in any way. However, a Holy Spirit capable of working a physical conception in Mary is also capable of employing the physical agency of Joseph's seed in this work. In our materialistic times we interpret viginity and its loss solely in terms of a physical act, whereas it is really a matter of purity on a much higher level as well. The important thing is that neither Mary nor Joseph was conscious of any union between them (they had not ""known""each other). Thus the first gospel's dedication of half its opening chapter to the genealogy of Joseph is quite relevant to Jesus, the Virgin birth not- withstanding. To the first question there is an answer that creates, to begin with, more problems than it resolves. It is that the two evangelists are relating the births of two entirely different children of two entirely different sets of parents. Except for the names of the parents and the child, and the birthplace in Bethlehem there is no point in common between the two stories. Matthew and Luke converge in their accounts only thirty years later with the Baptism of Jesus in Jordan. Rudolf Steiner offered his explanation of how these accounts begin with two children and then converge with their accounts of the one Jesus of Nazareth. He did not derive his resolution from biblical study or speculation, or from other external documents, and the discussion of ""how this could be"" might bring us beyond the limits of appropriateness for this newsgroup. In any case, the details are described in Steiner's ""The Spiritual Guidance of the Human Being and of Humanity"", ""The Gospel of St. Luke"", and ""The Gospel of St. Matthew"". Whether or not Rudolf Steiner's methods and explanation are accepted as valid, at least this interpretation resolves the apparent contradictions of the two genealogies while leaving the text intact. As for the passing of one's Jewishness through the mother, this was never an issue with Jesus. No one ever questioned his or Mary's Jewishness. The issue of the genealogies has to do with his paternal line of descent from David, the king. Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com) ";17;1 "From: DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Organization: SouthWest Mo State Univ Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: vma.smsu.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: > >Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. >brian, a very distressed cardinal fan. >-- No....Hal McRae is the worst manager in baseball. I've never seen a guy who can waste talent like he can. One of the best raw-talent staffs in the league, and he's still finding a way to lose. I'll be surprised if he makes it through the next 2 weeks, unless drastic improvement is made. An even more frustrated Royals fan, Darin J. Keener dak988s@vma.smsu.edu ";14;1 "From: MNHCC@cunyvm.bitnet (Marty Helgesen) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: City University of New York Lines: 45 In article , a.faris@trl.oz.au (Aziz Faris) says: >A.Faris <[I think you're talking about the ""assumption of the Blessed Virgin >Mary"". It says that ""The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin >Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed >body and soul into heavenly glory."" This was defined by a Papal >statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some >before that. Like the Immaculate Conception, this is primarily a >Roman Catholic doctrine, and like it, it has no direct Biblical >support. Note that Catholics do not believe in ""sola scriptura"". >That is, they do not believe that the Bible is the only source of >Christian knowledge. Thus the fact that a doctrine has little >Biblical support is not necessarily significant to them. They believe >that truth can be passed on through traditions of the Church, and also >that it can be revealed to the Church. I'm not interested in yet >another Catholic/Protestant argument, but if any Catholics can tell us >the basis for these beliefs, I think it would be appropriate. --clh] That is generally accuate, but contains one serious error. We Catholics do believe that God's revealed truth that is not explicitly recorded in the Bible can be and is passed on through the Tradition of the Church. It should be noted that the Tradition of the Church, otherwise known as Sacred Tradition, is not the same as ordinary human traditions. However, we do not believe that additional truth will be revealed to the Church. Public revelation, which is the basis of Catholic doctrine, ended with the death of St. John, the last Apostle. Nothing new can be added. Theologians study this revelation and can draw out implications that were not recognized previously, so that the Council of Nicea could define statements about the theology of the Trinity and the Incarnation that were not explicitly stated in the Bible and had been disputed before the council, but there was no new revelation at Nicea or at any subsequent council. Cardinal Newman's _An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine_, written while he was still an Anglican, is an excellent discussion of of this point. It was recently reprinted as a Doubleday Image Books paperback with some related shorter works under the title _Conscience, Consensus, and the Development of Doctrine_. ------- Marty Helgesen Bitnet: mnhcc@cunyvm Internet: mnhcc@cunyvm.cuny.edu ""What if there were no such thing as a hypothetical situation?"" ";-1;0 "From: mporter@cis.ohio-state.edu (matthew dale porter) Subject: Re: Reasonable Civie Arms Limits Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: python.cis.ohio-state.edu In article <1993Apr19.223925.2342@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >A poster claims he 'always asks [anti-gunners] what they think would >be reasonable personal firepower restrictions'. OK then ... > >Caliber : Not greater than 32 >Muzzle : Not greater than 300 ft/lbs with any combo of bullet wt/vel >Action : Single shot rifles and single action revolvers > Revolvers bearing no more than six rounds and incorporating > an 'anti-fanning' mechanism to discourage Roy Rogers wannabes. >Bullets : Any non-explosive variety, HPs just fine. > >Now - these specs leave the 32 H&R magnum as about the most powerful >allowable civie cartridge for handgun or rifle use. It would be >reasonably effective against home intruders, muggers, rabid wolves >and other such nasties, even with the firearm-type limitations. At the >same time, this caliber/power limit would reduce the ultimate lethality >of hits. The chances of the average joe encountering a gang of huge >individuals all drunk and stoned on PCP and crystal meth and with a >bad attitude and all armed and willing to die ... well, it's about >zero - far less than the chances of getting killed driving your car. When will you people realize that our right to keep and bear isn't primarily intended to be for protecting against criminals and beasties in the wild? Granted, it is a big part, but we also need military style weapons so we can fight off the government when they come to our door. When ten agents come to my door, it would be nice to be able to shoot all of them for 'not upholding the constitution to the best of their ability'. It will be a lot harder doing that with the puny weapons you listed above. Please read the Federalist papers for all clarification on RKBA. These documents have cleared up plenty of misnomers that friends of mine have had. -- Matt Porter mporter@cis.ohio-state.edu mporter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ";-1;0 "From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Subject: Re: MS-Windows Screen Grabber (summary) Lines: 28 Reply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten) Organization: Trent University Hi again, Many thanks to all the people who responded to my request for a MS- Windows screen grabber. It proves to me AGAIN that the net is a wonderful thing. :-) So, in summary: There are two choices: 1) Various screen grabber packages (Corel Draw has one, there are a couple on simtel and cica). 2) Use the built-in PrintScreen and Alt-PrintScreen functionality to paste the screen (or window) to the clipboard. Then paste the clipboard to your application. Cool! Again, thanks for the info... Grant (the MS-Windows newbie -- Unix and X are my bag ;-) -- Grant Totten, Programmer/Analyst, Trent University, Peterborough Ontario GTotten@TrentU.CA Phone: (705) 748-1653 FAX: (705) 748-1246 ======================================================================== A woman's place is in the wrong. -- James Thurber ";-1;0 "From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 12 General question: Since the world was discovered to be round, the definition of Saturday is, if not ambiguous, at least arbitrary. How would someone answer this? Also, when the calendar was changed (Gregorian to Julian?) was the day of the week changed or just the date? Once again this points to the arbitrariness of the days. Chris Mussack [When calendars change, there is no change in the 7-day weekly cycle, just months and dates. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) Subject: Re: Quick question Keywords: Removing panels. Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: > How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside >on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want >to access its pins. > There is something going on here. It seems that once a month, the VW group must have get a specific detailed question about Hondas. I would like to ask that next month we get one about Hyundai instead of Honda. Thank you. -andy ";-1;0 "From: buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz x3252) Subject: Looking for WMF Converter Keywords: WMF, windowsmetafile Nntp-Posting-Host: couloir Reply-To: buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz x3252) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. Lines: 13 I'm looking for any leads to the source of a good Windows Meta File converter or interpreter. I need this for use outside the Windows environment. PD sources preferred, but not a requirement. Please reply to the address below. David Buchholz Internet: buck@ileaf.com Product Manager uucp: uunet!leafusa!buck Interleaf, Inc. voice: 617.290.4990 x-3252 ";-1;0 "From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) Subject: 80-bit keyseach machine Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr21.001230.26384@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: >Normally I'd be the last to argue with Steve . . . but shouldn't that >read ""3.8 years for *all* solutions"". I mean, if we can imagine the >machine that does 1 trial/nanosecond, we can imagine the storage medium >that could index and archive it. Hmmmm. I think, with really large keyspaces like this, you need to alter the strategy discussed for DES. Attempt decryption of several blocks, and check the disctribution of the contents. I don't think it's at all feasible to keep 2**80 encryptions of a known plaintext block on *any* amount of tape or CD-ROM. And certainly not 2**128 such encrypted blocks. (Anyone know a cheap way of converting every atom in the solar system into a one bit storage device?) Actually, a keysearch of this kind shouldn't be much worse than the simpler kind in terms of speed. It's just that you have to do it over for *every* encrypted message. Dumb question: Has anyone ever done any serious research on how many legitimate ASCII-encoded 8-byte blocks there are that could be part of an english sentence? For attacking DES in ECB mode, it seems like a dictionary of this kind might be pretty valuable.... --John Kelsey ";-1;0 "From: jlu@cs.umr.edu (Eric Jui-Lin Lu) Subject: info wanted: X security holes Nntp-Posting-Host: next2.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla Lines: 22 Hi *, Has anyone out there compile a list of X security holes?? If yes, will you please send me a copy of this?? If this is a wrong group, please point me to a right one. Thanks!! BTW, the list doesn't have to contain the info ""How to use the holes?"". Instead, I need the info of how to detect the holes, how to seal the holes, and how to monitor the activities if possible. Any info is welcomed. Thanks!! --Eric -- ***************************************--- Grad. student ---* * Obviousness is always the enemy of * \ Jui-Lin Lu (Eric) / * * correctness. -- Bertrand Russell * / jlu@cs.umr.edu \ * ***************************************--- Univ. of Missouri-Rolla ---* ";12;1 "From: lbyler@cup.hp.com (Larry Byler) Subject: Re: Problem with Maxtor 340Mb IDE drive Article-I.D.: cup.C533Lx.Ao3 Organization: Hewlett-Packard Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: hpmpec3c.cup.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.10] First of all, thanks to those of you who responded, both here and via e-mail. The tips didn't pan out, but it was good hearing from you. Now, following up to my earlier post: [...] : Disk controller: Acculogic sIDE-3 2 hard/2 floppy IDE controller : Jumpers: All defaulted (shown as *): : Normal IRQ*/delayed IRQ Primary*/secondary floppy address : Single*/dual speed floppy Primary*/secondary IDE address : Precomp = 125ns*/187 ns IOCHRDY not driven*/IDE drive controls IOCHRDY [...] : Other cards: (didn't check brand) 2 Serial/1 Parallel adapter : Logitech Bus Mouse adapter : Roland MPU-401-compatible MIDI interface : Configured with default IRQ 2, mem address 0330 I opened up the box and removed all the ""other cards"" above. No help there. Then, not having anything better to try, I changed Normal IRQ to Delayed IRQ on the disk controller (didn't make any difference) and IOCHRDY_not_ driven to IDE_drive_controls_IOCHRDY (also had no effect). So I put everything back to the way it was and re-installed the cards. I then unplugged the floppy drive cable from the disk controller. Voila!, the PC booted from power up, although it seemed to take several seconds before the first access to the hard disk. Plug the floppy cable back to the controller and the original (non-boot) behavior returns. O.K., with this additional information, does anyone in netland have any words of wisdom for what's going on and how I should deal with it? -Larry ""still (un)plugging away"" Byler- ";-1;0 "From: c2xjfa@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (James F Allman III) Subject: Re: GUI Study Originator: c2xjfa@koptsw18 Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Distribution: na Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr23.031744.19111@mercury.unt.edu>, seth@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Seth Buffington) writes: > >Cutsie little Macintrash-like icons that are an instant recipe for > >mousitis IMHO. System 7 is undoubtedly the worst GUI I have used (out of > >that, RISCOS, MSWombles, and X11) simply because it does not provide enough > >keyboard shortcuts. Windows I must confess I quite like (cover your ears > >:-) ) because you can actually use it without having to ever touch the > >mouse. > [stuff delete] > >the user rather than making things _easier_ - and there should always be > >the option to do it your way if you want to, which is why I like the > >UNIX/X combination so much - it's so customizable. > > Hear! Hear! I agree completely. One thing I can't stand about > the Mac interface is its shear determination to FORCE you to use > the mouse(what if your mouse breaks--your whole system is > down!). I like the mouse--it is handy on some occassions such > as cut and past and moving icons around, etc. But for most > work, the keyboard and hot keys are 10-20 times faster than > using the mouse. Sure it is a plus to be able to do something > simple if you are an inexperienced user, but how long is it > before your are experienced? A month? Two? (Speaking of PCs at > the moment.) > I don't think it is too much to ask that window > programmers provide not only a menu/mouse interface but also > look forward to those who would like to move on to hot keys and > command line interfaces, which usually allows you to do more in > less time IF you are experienced. > All of the above equally applies to windowing systems on > UNIX (especially since Unix is at least 500% more powerful than > DOS). > And at least 500% more user unfriendly as well! ";-1;0 "From: finn@convex.com (Tom Finn) Subject: Re: multiple desktops Nntp-Posting-Host: eugene.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 22 In article dmcgee@uluhe.soest.hawaii.edu (Don McGee) writes: > >Is there a free/share( ware) package that will allow multiple >desktops in windows 3.1. What is desired is to have a desk top >for several people that each can personalize by name and choice >of programs etc. There's a package called Workspace on cica that has 5 desktops; I haven't done much with it yet, but it seems to be able to do what you want it to. Don't have the exact archive name handy, but it's something like wspace.zip. Tom -- finn@convex.com I speak only for myself. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""Peace is the name of the ideal we have deduced from the fact that there have been pauses between wars."" Jerry Pournelle in ""The Mercenary"" ";-1;0 "From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50 Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 21 In article henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan Berg) writes: >>... I don't know why my FPU has an XC (my original 33MHz FPU >>was label MC68882-33), but it seems to work fine on my system... >>P.S. Or does it mean eXperimental Chip instead of Motorola Chip? .-) > >The rule for the designations is that if it says MC, that means it works >*exactly* the way the datasheet/book specifies. If it says XC, that means >there is at least one known bug. Often these bugs are small and obscure; >you might never run into them in practice. > XC units are often pre-production sample devices. Those are normally distributed for evaluation as freebies and are not guaranteed to meet every spec. >At least Motorola admits it, unlike certain other companies... Yep, that's for sure...that's one thing I like most about Motorola. aaron ";-1;0 "From: wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) Subject: correction of last followup re relays Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 73 In article <1993Apr20.102756.1709@mala.bc.ca>, wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) writes: > In article , alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes: >> In article billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes: >>>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch >>>audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. I was doing >>>most of the common things one is supposed to do when using relays and >>>nothing seemed to get rid of the clicks. >>> >>> >>>My question is: >>> >>> Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching >>>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines. >>> >>> >>>I will appreciate any advice or references to advice. Also, exact part >>>numbers/company names etc. for the relays will help! >> >> Are you switching high level signals or low level signals like pre-amp >> out level signals? Also, are the clicks you mentioning the big >> clack that happens when it switches or are you refering to contact >> bounce? How are you driving the relays? TTL gate output? Switching >> transistor? How are the relays connected to what you are driving? >> >> Need more specifics to answer your question!! :-) > > As a general rule, no relay will cleanly switch audio if you try to tranfer > the circuit with the contacts. The noise you hear is due to the momentary > opening and closing of the path. > > The noiseless way of transfering audio is to ground the circuit. In high > impedance audio circuits a resistive ""T"" is constructed close to characteristic > impedance of the circuit. Grounding the imputs (connected to the T) transfers > the audio. > > In low impedance circuits transformers are usually used, and the inputs are > shorted out or grounded. Secondaries are paralleled at the characteristic > impedance. > > Sometimes if it is necessary to actually switch audio, a second contact is used > to momentarily short the circuit output for the duration of the switching time. > > Telephone relays are handy, because contacts can be adjusted to ""Make before > break and Vica Versa"" but I haven't seen any of these for years. > > Nowadys switching is done electronically with OP amps, etc. > > A novel circuit I used to build was a primitive ""optical isolator"".. It consists > of a resistive photocell and a lamp, all packaged in a tube. When the lamp is > off the cell is high resistance. Turn the lamp on and the resistance lowers > passing the audio. Once again this device in a ""T"" switches the audio. Varying > the lamp resistance give a remote volume control. Use 2 variable resisters and > you have a mixer! > > Lots of luck! > -- > 73, Tom > ================================================================================ > Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia > (604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle > Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9 > > I do not recyle..... I keep everything! (All standard disclaimers apply) > ================================================================================ -- 73, Tom ================================================================================ Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia (604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9 I do not recyle..... I keep everything! (All standard disclaimers apply) ================================================================================ ";-1;0 "Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Subject: Re: Waco dates - are these coincidental? Distribution: usa <1993Apr5.193927.19951@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Lines: 19 I do not think it is at all unlikely that Clinton ro his policy wonk facilitators arranged the Waco raid as a display piece for the Gun War on the Constitution. Look at what the Bush administration did to get material for the Drug War on the Constitution--remember that baggie of crack George waved at the cameras? They took a dealer from the ghetto and brought him to the White House so they could say drugs had been dealt onb the White House Lawn. And I don't think anybody could honestly think Clinton would have any moral qualms about the raid... The only really worrisome thing is that the BD's heroic defense of their ranch will make Clinton's Gun War on the Constitution _more_ successfull--exactly as he wanted. The media and politicians will filter this so that the general public will think the BD's are bad guys! Don't help them. Stand up for the BD's with your friends and family adnd in public anytime you can--their supposed moral qualms are not important to the issue. They are heroes in the fight against oppressive government; it could just as well have been you. -watkins@earth.eecs.uic.edu (Brian E Watkins) ";-1;0 "From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 39 In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: >Most of the >people in my village are regular inhabitants that go about their daily >business, some work in the fields, some own small shops, others are >older men that go to the coffe shop and drink coffee. Is that so hard to >imagine ???? ...quickly followed by... >SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of >the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not >know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often >suspect who they are and what they are up to. This is the standard method for claiming non-combatant status, even for the commanders of combat. >These young men are >supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and >ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps >for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured >by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages >of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. ""Innocent civilians""??? Like the ones who set up the booby traps or engaged in shoot-outs with soldiers or attack them with grenades or axes? >We are now accustomed to Israeli tactics, and we figure that this is And the rest of the world is getting used to Arab tactics of claiming innocence for even the most guilty of the vile murderers among them. Keep it up long enough and it will backfire but good. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. ";-1;0 "From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press. TORTURE. Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500344:000:3833 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 16 16:50:00 1993 Lines: 78 From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press. TORTURE. /* Written 4:41 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ /* ---------- ""From Israeli press. TORTURE."" ---------- */ FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS. Newspaper: Ma'ariv Date: 18. December 1992 Author: Avi Raz Subject: Torture Title of article: Moderate physical pressure Several times in the course of the long hours in the interrogation room in Tulkarm prison, during which he says he was humiliated, beaten and tortured, Omar Daoud Jaber heard his interrogator, a Shabak agent 'Captain Louis', chatting on the phone with his wife. ""At those moments"", Omar said, ""I felt that he was like a humanbeing, but right after he finished talking, he would be beat me and say, 'You listened to the conversation and enjoyed yourself' and I understood that he was not really a human being"". In late October 1992, after 38 days in detention at Tulkarm prison, Omar Jaber was released without charges. ""Among the Jews, as among the Arabs, there are good people and bad people"", he said after his release, ""but there, in Tulkarm, in the interrogations rooms, you cannot find even one person about whom you can say that he is a human being"". Although he left the detention installation in Tulkarm bruised and humiliated (""I sat at home for ten days. My hands shook from nerves""), one may consider Omar Jaber lucky: He got out, not so healthy, but entire, and even ultimately returned to normal functioning, at the small solar heater plant he owns. In contrast, Hassan Bader al-Zbeidi, for example, was released seven weeks ago from detention in Tulkarm after 33 days in the Shabak wing, cut off from his surroundings. He doesn't speak or react. Mustafa Barakat, aged only 23, who was arrested in early August and was brought to the Tulkarm detention installation, left it one day later - dead. ""We have recently received an especially large number of testimonies concerning cruel tortures employed at the Tulkarm detention installation by Shabak interrogators"", noted Dr. Niv Gordon, director of the Association of Israel and Palestinian Physicians for Human Rights. (...) The right to complain against the Shabak does not excite Anan Saber Makhlouf, a 20 year old student. In fact, he was extremely fearful about describing the manner in which he was interrogated in Tulkarm prison, in case the publication in the paper would return him to detention and lead to renewed mistreatment. (...follow description of tortures....) Omar, a tall bearded man, was silent. ""I do not want to talk about it"", he finally said, quietly. Some time later, embarrased and ashamed, he spoke: ""Sometimes he beats you and beats you until you'll kiss his hand, and not only his hand. Even the hands of another interrogator, and another, whom he calls into the room, and the last interrogator says:"" Now you are kissing my hand, and later if I want, you will kiss my ass."" These things take place in an Israeli army detention installation, located within the military government compound in Tulkarm (West Bank). But the Shabak interrogation wing is a separate kingdom. In early March the IDF allowed representatives of B'Tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Territories, to visit Tulkarm prison, but denied them access to the interrogation wing. ""The interrogation wing is Shabak property, being solely under Shabak responsibility. All interrogations are performed by it"", said Lieutnant Sharon Sho'an, the commander of the installation, according to the internal report written by B'tselem member, Yuval Ginbar, following the visit. Major David Pe'er, governing commander of the prison system in the Central Command, was quoted in the report: ""There is an ethical problem here - no one can enter the interrogation wing"". Transl. by I. Shahak ";-1;0 "From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: Permanaent Swap File with DOS 6.0 dbldisk Summary: PageOverCommit=factor Organization: AT&T Lines: 50 In article <93059@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4356c@prism.gatech.EDU (James Dean Barwick) writes: ... >more on permenent swap files... > >i'm sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk >has seen the message ""you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested >size...windows will only use the size suggested...do you wan't to create this >swap file anyway"" or something like that. > >well, a friend of mine (ROBERT) called microsoft and asked them what and why. >what they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and >divides that number by 2. Then it checks for the largest contiguous block >of free disk space. Windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers. > >They also said that under absolutely no circumstances...NONE!...will windows >uses a swap file larger than the suggested size. Well...that's what he >said! > >I call bull@#$#. If this is true why does windows report the memory is >available to me if it's not going to use it? I think the support droid was malfunctioning and confused the disk space limit with the virtual address space limit. As far as the disk is concerned, you are limited only by the amount of contiguous free space. The limit that causes the message, ""Windows will only use ...,"" is the amount of virtual address space that the Virtual Memory Manager will create, and this is a function of the amount of free memory that you have when Windows starts. In the [386enh] section of SYSTEM.INI, you can specify a parameter: PageOverCommit=multiplier The following description is from the Windows Resource Kit: This entry specifies the multiplier what determines the amount of linear address space the VMM will create for the system, which is computed by rounding up the amount of available physical memory to the nearest 4 MB and then multiplying that value by the value specified for PageOverCommit=. Increasing this value increases the amount of available linear address space, causing the size of data structures to increase. This also increases paging activity proportionately and can slow down the system. You can specify a value between 1 and 20. The default is 4. To change this entry, you must edit SYSTEM.INI. -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: islamic authority over women From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr6.124112.12959@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) writes: >For the guy who said he's just arrived, and asked whether Bobby's for real, >you betcha. Welcome to alt.atheism, and rest assured that it gets worse. >I have a few pearls of wisdom from Bobby which I reproduce below. Is anyone >(Keith?) keeping a big file of such stuff? Sorry, I was, but I somehow have misplaced my diskette from the last couple of months or so. However, thanks to the efforts of Bobby, it is being replenished rather quickly! Here is a recent favorite: -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) ";-1;0 "From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) Subject: Re: Another question about synthetic engi Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla18 Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 26 In article <1993Apr2.043642.5682@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes: |In article 17418@news.arc.nasa.gov, howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) writes: |>Castrol Syntec does not contain teflon, it gets its greater |>lubrication by bonding to the metal surfaces of the engine, |>thus making the metal ride on the polymer rather |>than having metal-to-metal contact. I do not know if this |>also reduces the acid contact with the metal, but it seems |>likely. | |Just becase something forms a resin does not mean that |it's not teflon based. The PTFE in slick-50 is not teflon |either, but it's still teflon based. ""Teflon"" is a DuPont-owned tradename for PTFE. Slick-50 does indeed use DuPont Teflon, though some other brands of such stuff may use imported PTFE of another brand. ""Teflon"", being a trade-name, should always by capitalized. (DuPont disclaims any benefits of PTFE in the oil supply of internal combustion engines, BTW.) Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | ""We're bad-t-the-bone! 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | Bad-t-the-bone!"" 84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | -- Universally feared AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | Denizen warcry. ";-1;0 "From: jigang@dale.ssc.gov (Jigang Yang) Subject: Re: internationalized menus & icon labels Keywords: icon, motif, openlook Nntp-Posting-Host: dale.ssc.gov Organization: SSC Lab Lines: 15 I have a problem with icon pixmap. My application has to run under openwindow and motif. I wrote my program in Motif with pixmap and icons. It runs fine under motif/motif window manager and X11R5/mwm. But the icon pixmap does not show up under openwin/olwm and X11R5/olwm. Has anybody got into this kind of problem? Need a clue. An example which works in both X11R5/motif and openwindow will be great. -- Jigang Yang, jigang@dale.ssc.gov, jyang@sscvx1.bitnet 2550 Beckleymeade Ave. MS 4011 Tel: 214-708-3498 Dallas, TX 75237 Fax: 214-708-4898 ";12;1 "From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 34 Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se In rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes: >Not quite. 66MHz Pentium - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 . > 66MHz MC98601 - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 . But the interesting comparision is how fast clock-cycle chips you can get - an Alpha is WAY slow at 66 MHz, but blazes at 200 MHz. >>680040 >>486 >As far as the 486DX2-66 goes - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 . But the 68040 is (or will soon be) available in 40 MHz version, making it ""comparable"" to a 486DX2-80 >Intel chips have traditionally been faster than their Motorola ""equivalents"" >although the significance of chip speed in real world application performance >is something that is highly debatable. I think you have that one turned around; they have faster clock cycles but less power behind each cycle. Not to mention that the Intel instruction stream is BYTE-oriented (longest Intel instruction is 15 bytes; what an odd number :-) which makes it hard to do any intelligent memory subsystem. Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- This article printed on 100% recycled electrons. ";-1;0 "From: dale@odetics.com (Dale Pischke) Subject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X Organization: Odetics, Inc., Anaheim, CA Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr20.195853.16179@samba.oit.unc.edu> dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes: >Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this >card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on >latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors >in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. I had the exact same failure with the 24X and Word for Windows. A quick call to Microsoft indicated it was problem with the 24X drivers. You need to call Diamond and get the new drivers, I think version 2.03 fixes the above problem, there may be later versions that I'm unaware of... -- Dale R. Pischke dale@odetics.com or uunet!odetics!dale Senior Software Engineer Odetics, Gyyr Division ";-1;0 "To: gnu-gdb-bug@gatech.edu Distribution: world From: deepak@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Deepak Mulchandani) Subject: Help in developing a X-Windows interface for GDB Organization: Motorola, Semiconductor Products Sector Lines: 39 Hi, I am trying to write an X-windows based interface that runs on top of GDB. Could anyone help me in understanding the way we are supposed to ""fork"" GDB off as a subprocess ?? I currently use pipes but when I try and debug this program, the following happens : PROGRAM : main() { int x; printf(""enter x : ""); scanf(""%d"", &x); printf(""x = .%d.\n"", x ); } OUTPUT : The program hangs without returning the output of the printf statement. When I type in a value (like 5), then all the printf's output comes out at one time. Is there any other way, besides using PIPES to do this i.e., like ioctl or something else ?? Thanks, Deepak -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deepak Mulchandani Advanced Products Research and Development Laboratory Motorola, Semiconductor Products Sector Austin, TX (512) 928-7642 deepak@inxs.sps.mot.com ";-1;0 "From: pmhudepo@cs.vu.nl (Hudepohl PMJ) Subject: Re: Searching for a phonetic font Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam Lines: 23 weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Weidlich) writes: : I'm searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If : anybody knows one, please mail me! : : Thanks. : : dw : : : ################################################################## : Dipl.-Inform. Dietmar Weidlich # IfADo, Ardeystr. 67 # : weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de # D-4600 Dortmund 50 # : Phone ++49 231 1084-250 # >> Dr. B.: ""Koennten Sie das # : Fax ++49 231 1084-401 # MAL EBEN erledigen?"" << # Yes, I'm looking for phonetic font(s) too! So if you know one, please mail me too! Thanks in advance Patrick Hudepohl VU Amsterdam The Netherlands ";-1;0 "From: bash@tware.com (Paul Bash) Subject: Re: X11R5 and Open Look Organization: Techware Design, Boulder, CO. USA Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr12.220600.10691@nrao.edu> rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) writes: >In article <1993Apr12.155820.82@aedc-vax.af.mil>, bonds@aedc-vax.af.mil writes: >> I am reposting this because I am not sure my first post ever made it out. >> I have built and installed X11R5 on my SPARCstation 2. My aim is to run >> the MIT X server but retain the OpenLook Window Manager. I am sure this >> is not uncommon, but I just want to make sure that I change and/or delete >> everything that I need to. For instance, I can start xdm in rc.local, but >> how do I get rid of Xnews? >> > > The OpenLook window manager source is available on the MIT contrib tapes > or from export.lcs.mit.edu .I would suggest building this too, rather than > using the version from OpenWindows. It is olwm v3. > I would suggest skipping olwm and getting olvwm instead. This version of the olwm window manager implements a virtual desktop that I find really handy even on large monitors. This version is also available at export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/olvwm3.tar.Z. The README file also suggest getting the files in /contrib/xview3. In my case, I built the X Server first, Xview second, then olvwm. All of these were installed into /usr/X5. Once I verified the server worked correctly, I happily issued ""rm -rf /usr/openwin/*"". Using gcc 2.3.3 to build all of the above resulted in a windowing system that is, for all intents and purposes, identical to OpenWindows 3.0 and that is incredibly faster. There is a bit of tweaking you will have to do if you want things to work _exactly_ like OpenWindows, but not much. -- Paul Bash Techware Design bash@tware.com Boulder, CO U.S.A. ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 14 In article , alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) wrote: > Judging from postings I've read all over Usenet and on non-Usenet > BBs conferences, Barney is DEFINITELY an endangered species. Especially > if he runs into me in a dark alley. Please, please don't make Barney to a modern martyr/saviour mythical figure. I detest this being, and if humans will create a religion in his name, then life will be unbearable :-). Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: Swimming pool defense Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 17 In article dasmith@husc8.harvard.edu (David Smith) writes: >Granted, the simple fact of holding down a job will improve these kids' chances >of getting another job in the future, but what inner city kid would want to hold >down just one more minimum wage job when there is so much more money to be made >dealing drugs? What suburban kid would want to hold down a minimum wage job when there is so much more money to be made dealing drugs? Yet, somehow, surburban kids do hold down minimum wage jobs. So do inner city kids, when give the chance. Any reason you think that inner city kids are incapable of doing legitimate work? -- ted frank | thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" the u of c law school | standard disclaimers | ";18;1 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 16 In article <115288@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) wrote: > He'd have to be precise about is rejection of God and his leaving Islam. > One is perfectly free to be muslim and to doubt and question the > existence of God, so long as one does not _reject_ God. I am sure that > Rushdie has be now made his atheism clear in front of a sufficient > number of proper witnesses. The question in regard to the legal issue > is his status at the time the crime was committed. Gregg, so would you consider that Rushdie would now be left alone, and he could have a normal life? In other words, does Islam support the notion of forgiving? Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) Subject: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip Lines: 13 : Indeed, if NSA really designed the algorithm to be secure, it's very likely : as secure as IDEA or 2-key DES. However, the system as a whole isn't resistant : to ""practical cryptanalysis."" In _The Puzzle Palace_, Bamford describes how : several NSA employees were turned by foreign (presumably KGB) agents, despite : security measures that I doubt any Big 8 accounting firm could match. And : NSA confidential data was *not* subject to being requested by thousands of : police organizations and courts across the land. Ah yes, don't anyone mention Ronald William Pelton[*], heh heh heh. How embarrassing. G [*: NSA, 1964-1979; KGB 1980-1985] ";-1;0 "From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu) Subject: HELP WANTED! Monitor problems (NEC 3D & IIvi) Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-15.hut.fi Reply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 107 Hello all! For few past days I've been fighting to get My NEC Multisync 3D (predecessor of 3FG) to work properly with the internal video of Mac IIvi. With a VGA-adapter (as described in Dale Adams' posting about Quadra video) it works, only some minor interferences occur, small enough not to prevent any action on screen to be visible & clear. But because the scanrates & stuff of 3D are well enough for emulating Apple 13"" RGB, I first made an adapter, then got one fron the local distributor of NEC. With both adapters I can get a picure, which looks excellent most of the time or every now and then. But with radical changes on screen (opening palettes, large windows etc.) there are major interferences in sync. The picture either tilts sideways or scrables up totally. Even when it is clear, there are some ""spiky"" interferences on horizontal line alignment when accessing pull-downs etc. With the self-made adapter, almost identical to the VGA one, only sense pins differ, it is sometimes impossible to even boot up with a picture clear enough to shut down from menu... With the adapter from NEC, everything is well most of the time, but sometimes the picture tilts badly sideways or the sync is completely lost. But not nearly as often as with the self-made one. I know, with self made adapters there can always be interference, but with the one provided by NEC... where's the source of this interference? I'll give you the pinouts of the whole mess, and I hope that you can, at least someone (please try =) figure out what could be the best pin assignment for NEC 3D. I am going to make a completely new cable with maximum shieldings and isolations, as soon as someone figures out how the pins should be arranged, especially syncs and groundings. Yes, I have checked that the monitor is not defective, it works perfectly well with all PC graphic adapters up to 1024x768 pixels and also Atari 71Hz monochrome, which I am using now with it. Here are the pinouts & stuff: 15 pin mini D-sub (NEC 3D) 15 pin D-sub (Mac, at least Quadra) 1 Red Video 1 Red GND 2 Green Video 2 Red Video 3 Blue Video 3 Composite Sync 4 GND 4 Sense 0 5 GND 5 Green Video 6 Red GND 6 Green GND 7 Green GND 7 Sense 1 8 Blue GND 8 NC 9 NC 9 Blue Video 10 GND 10 Sense 2 11 GND 11 C.Sync & V.Sync GND 12 NC 12 V.Sync 13 H.Sync 13 Blue GND 14 V.Sync 14 H.Sync GND 15 NC 15 H.Sync SHELL GND SHELL GND Connection suggested by Apple for VGA/SVGA, sense pins changed to emulate Apple 13"" with Multisync (my self-made adapter) Multisync (15pin mini D-sub) Mac (15pin D-sub) 1 ---------------------- 2 2 ---------------------- 5 3 ---------------------- 9 6 ---------------------- 1 7 ---------------------- 6 8 ---------------------- 13 10 ---------------------- 14 13 ---------------------- 15 14 ---------------------- 12 4 (sense0) grounded to 11 (sync GND) Connection measured from an adapter to make NEC 3FG/4FG emulate Apple 13"" (adapter provided by NEC representative) NEC (15 mini) Mac (15) 1 ----------------------- 2 2 ----------------------- 5 3 ----------------------- 9 4 ----------------------- SHELL GND, 1, 4, 6, 13 5 ----------------------- same as above 6 ----------------------- same... 7 ----------------------- same... 8 ----------------------- same... 10 ----------------------- same... 11 ----------------------- same... 13 ----------------------- 3 14 * Not Connected! * Well, I am waiting for your solutions... And thanks! -- Jartsu ";-1;0 "From: jbrandt@NeoSoft.com (J Brandt) Subject: Beta Testers Wanted for Graphics Libraries Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900 Keywords: xeg ceg beta imsl vni x graphics Lines: 48 Visual Numerics Inc. (formerly IMSL and Precision Visuals) is in the process of securing sites for beta testing X Exponent Graphics 1.0 and C Exponent Graphics 2.0. (Both X Exponent Graphics and C Exponent Graphics are 3GL products). The beta period is from April 26 through June 18. The platform is HP9000/700 running under OS 8.07 with ansi C 8.71 compiler. The media will be sent on 4mm DAT cartridge tape. Here are some of the key facts about the two products. X Exponent Graphics 1.0 key facts: 1. Complete collection of high-level 2D and 3D application plot types available through a large collection of X resources. 2. Cstom widget for OSF/Motif developers. 3. Built-in interactive GUI for plot customization. 4. Easily-implemented callbacks for customized application feedback. 5. XEG 1.0, being built on the Xt Toolkit provides the user a widget library that conforms to the expected syntax and standards familar to X programmers. 6. XEG will also be sold as a bundle with Visual Edge's UIM/X product. This will enable user to use a GUI builder to create the graphical layout of an application. C Exponent Graphics 2.0 key facts: 1. Written in C for C application programmers/developers. The library is 100% written in C, and the programming interface conforms to C standards, taking advantage fo the most desirable features of C. 2. Build-in GUI for interactive plot customization. Through mouse interaction, the user has complete interactive graph output control with over 200 graphics attributes for plot customization. 3. Large collection of high-level application functions for ""two-call"" graph creation. A wide variety of 2D and 3D plot types are available with minimal programming effort. 4. User ability to interrupt and control the X event. By controlling the X event loop, when the user use the mouse to manipulate the plot the user can allow CEG to control the event loop or the user can control the event loop. If anyone is interested in beta testing either of the products, please contact Wendy Hou at Visual Numerics via email at hou@imsl.com or call 713-279-1066. -- Jaclyn Brandt jbrandt@NeoSoft.com -- ";1;1 "Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz Subject: Re: What to do if you shoot somebody Lines: 43 In article , VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) says: > >In article <93108.025818U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz > > >>I have heard many opinions on this subject and would like to hear more from >>the people on the net. >> >>Say you're in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody. You >>give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their >>action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them. My question is >>what do you do? Should you stay and wait for the cops or should you >>collect your brass (if you're using a semi-auto) and get out of there >>(provided of course you don't think that you have been seen)? > > As a data point from Tennessee, a friend of mine and a police >officer essentially recommends that if you can, fade away. Even if >you were perfectly justified you're likely in for a great deal of >hassle. (A side note, carrying a gun concealed is a misdemeanor.) > This is exactly what I have heard before. If you were to fade away and nobody saw you what kind of evidence would they be able to get to catch you (this is assuming that you either collected your brass or had a revolver)? >>What kind >>of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation? What would >>be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and >>it was a first offense? What would happen if you took off but someone >>saw you and you were caught? > > It's one of those ""by State"" things, pretty much. Guess it's time to take a trip to the library and look at the Illinois statutes again :-) Just for the record folks I'm just asking this because I'm curious. I'm just trying to find out from people who have read more on stuff like this. >David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group >PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day >your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't >love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" Jason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu ";-1;0 "From: blowfish@leo.unm.edu (rON.) Subject: Re: 666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, VIEWER DISCR Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: leo.unm.edu In article <1pr3d3$doh@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST002649@brownvm.brown.edu (Alex Gottschalk) writes: >>>Well, I *WILL* do the math, and I get: (6^6)^6=2,189,739,336 >>>This mean anything to anyone? :^) >5*1=5 thus fitting in neatly with something else. Of course, 2+1+8+9+7+3+9+3+3+6 = 51, which, quite obviously is 23+23+5... r. ";-1;0 "From: Mike Diack Subject: Husky Programmer bits req'd X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 04:10:01 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-90.gw.umn.edu Organization: persian cat & carpet co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Lines: 5 Help !! - I'm looking for a ISA driver card and driver software for a Logical Devices Husky programmer (It aint mush good without these) can anyone help with either of these items ? cheers Mike. ";-1;0 "From: kene@acs.bu.edu (Kenneth Engel) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 18 |> Imagine the worst depth of despair you've |> ever encountered, or the worst physical pain you've ever experienced. |> Some people suffer such emotional, physical, and mental anguish |> in their lives that their deaths seem to be merciful. But at least |> the pain does end in death. What if you lived a hundred such lives, |> at the conclusion of one you were instantly reborn into another? |> What if you lived a million, a billion years in this state? |> What if this kept going forever? Did this happen to Jesus? I don't think so, not from what I heard. He lived ONE DAY of suffering and died. If the wages of sin is the above paragraph, then JESUS DIDN'T PAY FOR OUR SINS, DID HE? I'd be surprised to see the moderator let this one through, but I seriously want a reasonable explanation for this. ken ";17;1 "From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 17 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) says: >or, here's an even better suggestion, why don't you guys go ahead and >buy the rest of Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru) and put either an >in-line 4 or V-6 into the LEGACY 4WD wagon. I'd buy the Legacy in a >minute if it had a Nissan engine instead of the Horizontal 4 that they >seem sentimentally attached to. What do you find so wrong with the flat 6 in the Subaru's, or the flat 4 for that matter? -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ ";-1;0 "Subject: Giants Win The Pennant!!!! From: mrosales@koko.csustan.edu (Maria Rosales) Distribution: usa Organization: CSU Stanislaus Lines: 4 Giants Win the Pennant!! Giants Win the Pennant !! Gi... OOOPS I guess I'm a little early here... See you in October... ";-1;0 "From: paschal@tscs.com (Charles O. Paschal) Subject: Novell 2.0a/3.11 Organization: Total Support Computer Systems, Tampa, Florida Lines: 10 I have a novell 2.0a that I will sell for $692 which can be upgraded to 3.11 for $460. The novell has complete documentation but no network cards except the ID card. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Charles Paschal - Total Support Computer Systems - Tampa - (813) 876-5990 UUCP: paschal@tscs FAX: (813) 871-2783 US-MAIL: Post Office Box 15395 - Tampa, Florida 33684-5395 ";-1;0 "From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) Subject: Re: Science and Methodology Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department Distribution: inet Lines: 28 In article <1qk92lINNl55@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: >In article lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes: >> The difference between a Nobel Prize level scientist and a mediocre >> scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology. >> It depends on the quality of their THINKING. .................... >Lee Lady is correct when she asserts that the difference between >Einstein and the average post-doc physicist is the quality of >their thought. But what is the difference between Einstein and a >genius who would be a great scientist but whose great thoughts >are scientifically screwy? This example is probably wrong. There is the case of one famous physicist telling another that he was probably wrong. As I recall the quote: Your ideas are crazy, to be sure. But they are not crazy enough to be right. The typical screwball is only somewhat screwy. -- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 Phone: (317)494-6054 hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet) {purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP) ";-1;0 "From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels) Subject: Re: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM Nntp-Posting-Host: engels.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation Distribution: usa Lines: 28 In article , mcguire@utkvx.utk.edu (Michael A. McGuire) wrote: > > In Article <1993Apr16.075822.22121@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, > hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Hollinsworth) wrote: > >With a little luck, I could own a C650 sometime in the near future, and > >so I was just wondering if someone could clear these two questions up for me: > > > >1. What speed SIMMS does the C650 need/want? (I know that it needs 80ns > >VRAM...not sure for the main RAM.) > > > > 60ns 72 pin simms. > > >2. I've heard two conflicting stories about the total expandibility of the > >C650's RAM...132 and 136 megs. Which is true? (Perhaps another phrasing > >would be better: does the 8 meg version come with all 8 megs on the logic > >board, or 4 megs + a 4 meg SIMM?) > > > 2 configs: 4mb & 8mb. In each case the memory is soldered on the board > leaving the 4 simm sockets open. 132mb is the total addressable memory for a > 650. According to the (seen several times) postings from Dale Adams of Apple Computer, both the 610 and the 650 require 80ns SIMMS - NOT 60 ns. Only the Centris 800 requires 60 ns SIMMs. Pete ";0;1 "From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Re: What the clipper nay-sayers sound like to me. Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Lines: 39 [... a bunch of well-meaning (maybe) cynnical text about screw-thread sizes, the rights of people to have their own standards, and the non-right of the gov. to regulate screw-threads...] Well, as funny as your little comment may seem, it has very little to do with your personal privacy as a citizen, and about the governemnt being able to look at everything you have ever typed into a computer at one point or another. This ""Clipper Chip"" stuff is the seeds for nightmares to make the Nightmare on Elmstreet cheese-on-celluloid movies look like episodes of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood. IF the gov establishes a cryptography standard that has to be used by everyone, and everyone's personal key is divided into two segments and stored at two separate, albeit easy to find places, and that key is only 80 bits to begin with, we are screwed (pardon the allusion to the affore-mentioned article)! the gov, I believe, as do many others probably already have the cracking chips for this Clipper Chip made. Hell, they probably based the encoder on the chip that cracks it, that way it's easier to break the code, but since it is a classified algorythm, no one knows that they can crack it so easily. I, for one, and quite scared of this kind of thing, and plan to support organizations (and even disorganizations) who are fighting against this Clipper Chip in any way that I can. I do not want the government to be able to have access, even with a search warrant, to my keys... and I don't want those keys to be only 80 bits long to begin with! -nate sammons o---------------------------+======================================o | ""I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know."" | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu | o---------------------------+======================================o ";-1;0 "From: jtrascap@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jim Trascapoulos) Subject: Re: Can I put a 1.44 floppy in an SE? Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 24 ericr@solbourne.com (Eric Robison) writes: >I've got a Mac SE, I've got a spare 1.44mb floppy drive. I've seen SE's ith >a 1.44 floppy drive. Can I put my floppy drive into my SE and get it to ork? >If so, how? >Thanks! >Eric >-- >| Eric Robison |Disclaimer: I claim dis. >| ericr@Solbourne.com | >| GET ME OFFA THIS &*^*&%&^# PLANET!! Sure thing - You'll have to get an FDHD upgrade kit from Apple, which includes a HD floppy drive, 2 different chips (the SWIM chip was mentioned in another post) and a different floppy drive cable. Get the Apple kit through your dealer. ** Jim Trascapoulos * jtrascap@nyx.du.edu * ""What size ID do YOU wear?"" ** ";-1;0 "From: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: Seagate 125MB IDE Jumper question Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxc.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Since the losers that sold me the hard disk for my computer are so generous, I need the info to set this drive from master to slave. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please reply via e-mail. Incidentally, avoid purchasing a computer from ACS in Endicott, NY. Jeff **************************************************************** * Four out of five electrons prefer holes for their mutual * * annhiliation needs. Boycott Sierra. Ignore anybody who * * purports to be a serious Windows user. Support new makers * * of hardware and software. Buy Canadian music. Quit smoking. * * Take up running. FM synthesis is the CGA of audio. * * JKS4675@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU * **************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Keywords: Solar Sail Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 25 ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk (Andrew Broderick) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu> snydefj@eng.auburn.edu writes: >> >>I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar >> Sails >I was at an interesting seminar at work (UK's R.A.L. Space Science >Dept.) on this subject, specifically on a small-scale Solar Sail >proposed as a student space project. The guy giving the talk was keen to >generate interest in the project. I'll typein the handout he gave out at >the meeting. Here goes : [Stuff deleted] >However it is more difficult to design a practical solar sail than most >people realize. The pressure of sunlight is only about one kilogram per >square kilometer. ^^^^ ^^^^ I'm glad to see that someone is working on this. However, it would be nice if he got his units right. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ""Find a way or make one."" -attributed to Hannibal ";-1;0 "From: news&aio.jsc.nasa.gov (USENET News System) Subject: Re: Oily skin - problem? Article-I.D.: aio.1993Apr6.133244.14717 Distribution: sci.med Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. Lines: 17 In article <1993Apr5.044140.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu>, u92_hwong@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes: > > Hi there, > > I have a very oily skin. My problem is when I wash my face, it becomes > oily in half an hour. Especially in the nose region. Is this an illness? How > can I prevent it from occuring in such short time? Is there a cleanser out > there that will do a better job -- that is after cleaning, my face won't become > oily in such a short time. > > Thank you for any suggestion. > >if this is a disease, everyone should have it. My skin has always been oily - i used to say ""if i were hot enough, you could fry an egg on my oily face"". i am now 50 yrs old and my skin looks younger (i'm told) than some people's skin at 30 (it's still oily). i have only a very few tiny wrinkles. Thank your lucky stars for that skin. ";-1;0 "From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") Subject: Long Island (was Why use AC at 20kHz for SSF power) X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 21 on Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 23:19:46 GMT, Edmund Hack writes: /In article <1pgdno$3t1@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: /> />I always thought GD's Fighter plants were in Long Island. /> /No, Northrup has a plant on Long Island. I don't think Northrup ever had a plant on Long Island. The two main airframe manufacturers there were (Fairchild)/Republic which closed its doors after the T-46 cancellation, and Grumman (which is still hanging on last I time I called). I think Sperry also started there. If you're ever in the area check out the Cradle of Aviation Museum at Mitchell field (now mostly parking lots behind the Nassau Coliseum and the community college). Good display of vehicles from Long Island, including a LEM flight article. Disclaimer: Opinions stated are solely my own (unless I change my mind). Ben Muniz MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com w(818)586-3578 Space Station Freedom:Rocketdyne/Rockwell:Structural Loads and Dynamics ""Man will not fly for fifty years"": Wilbur to Orville Wright, 1901 ";-1;0 "From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Who, me??? Lines: 15 In article pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes: >In article <1993Apr18.210407.10208@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin >Darcy) wrote: >> The phenomenologist Husserl, for one, considered Intentionality to be the >> primary ontological ""stuff"" from which all other ontology was built -- >> perceptions, consciousness, thoughts, etc. Frank is by no means alone in >> seeing intentionality (or ""values"", as he puts it) underlying all human >> experience, even the so-called ""objective"" experiences, such as >> measurements of the natural world, or the output of your DES chip. > >And others of us see it as intellectual masturbation. I'll defer to your greater firsthand knowledge in such matters. - Kevin ";-1;0 "From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: More on limiting libertarians Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 100 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <18APR199320091677@venus.tamu.edu> gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes: >In article <1993Apr18.174237.11229@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... >> > >Okay, let me try to explain this. > >When one votes for such a creature as a Senator or, worse yet, a President, >one votes not for specific policies but for a general package which must cover >all issues for 4 or 6 years. As such, one's influence is highly diluted. >I might add that, even if one were free to vote on individual regulations, >the vast amount of time required for considering a particular regulation, >combined with the very small chance of one's vote making a difference, would >make it unreasonable to expect the voter to make an intelligent decision >with respect to specific regulations. I'm afraid that I've lost the thread here. I didn't suggest that all government regulations be subject to referenda. So I don't follow the comments above. >> >> >:Sorry, but it strikes me that it is the only ""feasible"" approach. What is >:not feasible is a wholesale attack on all government regulation and >:licensing that treats cutting hair and practicing medicine as equivalent >:tasks. > >I'm not sure what you mean by ""feasible"" in this case. Do you mean that >[] are impossible in priciple, or merely that it would be undesirable in >fact? I mean that an ideology that treats all government regulation as equally undesirable and seeks to abolish all regulations is unlikely to draw support among more than a miniscule portion of the electorate. Furthermore, I am suggesting that such a plan is not feasible in an industrial society because the weight of litigation and/or misery it would produce would effectively crush productive effort. > > >:Actually, the only areas of public spending above that strike me as >:generating substantial support among libertarians are police and defense. >:(It is an interesting aside that as committed as libertarians claim to >:be to a principle of non-coercion, the only areas of public spending >:that they frequently support involve hiring people with guns....hmmm...) > >You say this as if it were surprising, yet in fact a necessary consequence >of libertarian philosophy. All non-coersive functions should be dealt >with privately, therefore it follows that the only functions remaining to >the state are the coersive ones. No, I'm not surprised. I just think it's interesting that on one hand libertarians assume a limited government can be decreed, yet on the other posit an entire government made up of people who carry guns. (I realize that many libertarians assume that such a government will be counterbalanced by a fully armed citizenry, but it is worth noting that widespread civilian ownership of guns does not necessarily prevent the establishment of totalitarian government, e.g. Iraq.) > >> >:Perhaps you have. May I suggest that you consider that revolutionaries >:frequently generate support by acting as protectors of ""geezers,"" >:mothers and children. Governments that ignore such people on the grounds >:that ""we don't have much to fear"" from them do so at their own peril. > >Much more likely it's drunken teenagers. The groups in questionare more >likely to be worse off during and after a revolution than before. >In the unlikely >event that you missed my earlier sarcasm, let me say this directly: >The idea that such programs as Social Security or AFDC should be considered >""defense"" (an idea which has been advanced in ths and other newsgroups) is >so absurd a lie as to be unworthy of consideration. Do you seriously >dispute this? Yup, sure do. But since I also support the constitutional requirement that the government provide for the general welfare (Article I section 8), I'm willing to justify such programs on that basis. > > > I don't want to seem patronizing, but you still seem to be laboring >under the delusion that under a socialized economic system it is reasonably >intelligent and honest persons (like yourself) who make the decisions. >I feel any third party added to a transaction is every bit as likely to be >ignorant or corrupt as the buyer or seller. I don't expect you to agree >with me, but you explain why you feel I'm wrong? Well, in the first place, I don't support a ""socialized economic system."" I think within limits that capitalism is a fine idea. But it is not the case that ""any third party...is...as likely to be ignorant or corrupt as the buyer or seller."" There are multitudes of examples where such a statement is demonstrably false. Regulation of stock market transactions that provide a reasonable basis for buyers to avoid fraud is only one example. jsh >Mr. Grinch -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 ";-1;0 "From: ukrphil@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (M.J.Phillips) Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? Reply-To: ukrphil@prlhp1.UUCP (M.J.Phillips) Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Redhill, UK Lines: 7 The 68070 _does_ exist. It's number was licensed to Philips to make their own variant. This chip includes extra featurfes such as more I/O ports, I2C bus... making it more microcontroller like. Because of the confusion with numbering (!), Philips other products in the [range with the 68??? core have been given differend numbers like PCF... or PCD7.. or something. ";-1;0 "From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) Subject: 15 Apr 93 God's Promise in John 1:12 Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 8 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12 ";19;1 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Striato Nigral Degeneration Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 16 In article <9303252134.AA09923@walrus.mvhs.edu> ktodd@walrus.mvhs.edu ((Ken Todd)) writes: >I would like any information available on this rare disease. I understand >that an operation referred to as POLLIDOTOMY may be in order. Does anyone >know of a physician that performs this procedure. All responses will be >appreciated. Please respond via email to ktodd@walrus.mvhs.edu It isn't that rare, actually. Many cases that are called Parkinson's Disease turn out on autopsy to be SND. It should be suspected in any case of Parkinsonism without tremor and which does not respond to L-dopa therapy. I don't believe pallidotomy will do much for SND. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: lian@mips.com (Jeff Lian) Subject: Monitor for LCIII Keywords: LCIII monitor Organization: MIPS Technologies, Inc. Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: arctic.mti.sgi.com Originator: lian@arctic.mti.sgi.com Hi folks I'm planning to buy a LCIII but need advice on choosing a monitor. What do people recommend for a decent 14""/15"" monitor? I'v looked at some ads and the spec for NEC 4FG/4FGe and the price is within my budget, but could LCIII be able to use the various resolutions available on 4FG (specifically the 1024x768 resolution)? Does LCIII only support one resolution? Also any recommendations for a reliable mail order place for LCIII or monitors? Does anyone have experience with the following mail-order places? SYEX EXPRESS (Houston, Tx) USA FLEX (Bloomingdale, Il) Thanks, jeff -- Jeff Lian lian@mti.sgi.com - or - lian@mips.com MIPS Technologies, Inc. 2011 N. Shoreline Boulevard P.O. Box 7311 M/S 10L-175 ";-1;0 "From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) Summary: Response to Paul Schmidt Organization: Free the Barbers, Inc. Lines: 64 Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com In article <1993Apr15.013651.11353@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes: >steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: >: >: As noted in another thread (Limiting govt), the problem libertarians face >: is insuring that the ""limited government"" they seek does not become the >: tool of private interests to pursue their own agenda. >: >: Believe it or not, we ""liberals"" are frequently as opposed to >: anti-competitive measures as you ""conservatives."" We don't believe, >: however, that competition will necessarily be protected by the actions >: of business interests in a ""free-market."" After all, in the example >: you cite, it was not ""liberals"" that pressed for such regulations, but >: good staunch conservative businessmen. >: >: As Adam Smith so eloquently demonstrated, the ""free-market"" is not >: something that capitalists seek to protect when they can profit from >: its elimination. The same point was made by Marx -- a point of agreement >: between the two theorists that should tell us something. > >I do not want the government to become a tool of private interests. >Limited government cannot insure that private interests will not use >this government for their own agenda. Agreed. >But this is not a failure of libertarianism. It is the fact that >""Utopia is not an option."" There is no single system where everything >is perfect. It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams. Just as Marxism ""fails"" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and the state is to ""wither away,"" libertarians frequently fail to show how weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human condition. >So it is wise to look >for the best solution. If you compare countries to see which ones >people would rather live in, which ones have less starvation, hunger, >poverty, and misery, you will find that they have a more limitted >government than countries with alot of poverty, misery and suffering. >No, limitted government cannot ""insure"" anything, but it sure is better >than the alternative (big government.) This is a strawman argument and fails on several grounds. In this case, ""limited"" and ""big"" government are not defined. I would point out that Lebanon, Somalia, and the former Yugoslavia are by some definitions nations with ""limited"" government, while the US, Canada, and nations in Western Europe (where ""people would rather live"") are often pointed out as nations with ""big government"" from a libertarian point of view. The argument is not between those who want ""limited"" government and those who want ""unlimited"" government. It is between those who believe government regulation in a capitalist economy serves worthwhile ends and those who believe such regulation is neither desirable on empirical grounds nor justifiable on ideological grounds. jsh >-- >Paul Schmidt: Advocates for Self-Government, Davy Crockett Chapter President -- Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM ""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 ";-1;0 "From: swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil (Steve Kirchoefer) Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: misc.health.diabetes Organization: Naval Research Laboratory (Electronics Science and Technology Division) Lines: 198 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net This is the third and final call for votes for the creation of the newsgroup misc.health.diabetes. A mass acknowledgement of valid votes received as of April 19th 14:00 GMT appears at the end of this posting. Please check the list to be sure that your vote has been registered. Read the instructions for voting carefully and follow them precisely to be certain that you place a proper vote. Instructions for voting: To place a vote FOR the creation of misc.health.diabetes, send an email message to yes@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil To place a vote AGAINST creation of misc.health.diabetes, send an email message to no@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil The contents of the message should contain the line ""I vote for/against misc.health.diabetes as proposed"". Email messages sent to the above addresses must constitute unambiguous and unconditional votes for/against newsgroup creation as proposed. Conditional votes will not be accepted. Only votes emailed to the above addresses will be counted; mailed replies to this posting will be returned. In the event that more than one vote is placed by an individual, only the most recent vote will be counted. Voting will continue until 23:59 GMT, 29 Apr 93. Votes will not be accepted after this date. Any administrative inquiries pertaining to this CFV may be made by email to swkirch@sun6850.nrl.navy.mil The proposed charter appears below. -------------------------- Charter: misc.health.diabetes unmoderated 1. The purpose of misc.health.diabetes is to provide a forum for the discussion of issues pertaining to diabetes management, i.e.: diet, activities, medicine schedules, blood glucose control, exercise, medical breakthroughs, etc. This group addresses the issues of management of both Type I (insulin dependent) and Type II (non-insulin dependent) diabetes. Both technical discussions and general support discussions relevant to diabetes are welcome. 2. Postings to misc.heath.diabetes are intended to be for discussion purposes only, and are in no way to be construed as medical advice. Diabetes is a serious medical condition requiring direct supervision by a primary health care physician. -----(end of charter)----- The following individuals have sent in valid votes: 9781BMU@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU Bill Satterlee a2wj@loki.cc.pdx.edu Jim Williams ac534@freenet.carleton.ca Colin Henein ad@cat.de Axel Dunkel al198723@academ07.mty.itesm.mx Jesus Eugenio S nchez Pe~a anugula@badlands.NoDak.edu RamaKrishna Reddy Anugula apps@sneaks.Kodak.com Robert W. Apps arperd00@mik.uky.edu alicia r perdue baind@gov.on.ca Dave Bain balamut@morris.hac.com Morris Balamut bch@Juliet.Caltech.Edu BGAINES@ollamh.ucd.ie Brian Gaines Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no bobw@hpsadwc.sad.hp.com Bob Waltenspiel bruce@uxb.liverpool.ac.uk bruce bspencer@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Brian SPENCER cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu Ernest A. 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Burton Jr. johncha@comm.mot.com JORGENSONKE@CC.UVCC.EDU jpsum00@mik.uky.edu joey p sum JTM@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu John Maynard julien@skcla.monsanto.com kaminski@netcom.com Peter Kaminski kerry@citr.uq.oz.au Kerry Raymond kieran@world.std.com Aaron L Dickey knauer@cs.uiuc.edu Rob Knauerhase kolar@spot.Colorado.EDU Jennifer Lynn Kolar kriguer@tcs.com Marc Kriguer lau@ai.sri.com Stephen Lau lee@hal.com Lee Boylan lmt6@po.cwru.edu lunie@Lehigh.EDU lusgr@chili.CC.Lehigh.EDU Stephen G. Roseman M.Beamish@ins.gu.edu.au Marilyn Beamish M.Rich@ens.gu.edu.au Maurice H. Rich. maas@cdfsga.fnal.gov Peter Maas macridis_g@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Gerry Macridis markv@hpvcivm.vcd.hp.com Mark Vanderford MASCHLER@vms.huji.ac.il mcb@net.bio.net Michael C. Berch mcday@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu mcookson@flute.calpoly.edu mfc@isr.harvard.edu Mauricio F Contreras mg@wpi.edu Martha Gunnarson mhollowa@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu Michael Holloway misha@abacus.concordia.ca MISHA GLOUBERMAN mjb@cs.brown.edu Manish Butte MOFLNGAN@vax1.tcd.ie muir@idiom.berkeley.ca.us David Muir Sharnoff Nancy.Block@Eng.Sun.COM Nancy Block ndallen@r-node.hub.org Nigel Allen nlr@B31.nei.nih.gov Rohrer, Nathan owens@cookiemonster.cc.buffalo.edu Bill Owens pams@hpfcmp.fc.hp.com Pam Sullivan papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Paul Prescod paslowp@cs.rpi.edu pillinc@gov.on.ca Christopher Pilling pkane@cisco.com Peter Kane popelka@odysseus.uchicago.edu Glenn Popelka pulkka@cs.washington.edu Aaron Pulkka pwatkins@med.unc.edu Pat Watkins rbnsn@mosaic.shearson.com Ken Robinson rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. 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Jacobs vstern@gte.com Vanessa Stern wahlgren@haida.van.wti.com James Wahlgren waterfal@pyrsea.sea.pyramid.com Douglas Waterfall weineja1@teomail.jhuapl.edu wgrant@informix.com William Grant YEAGER@mscf.med.upenn.edu yozzo@watson.ibm.com Ralph E. Yozzo Z919016@beach.utmb.edu Molly Hamilton -- Steve Kirchoefer (202) 767-2862 Code 6851 kirchoefer@estd.nrl.navy.mil Naval Research Laboratory Microwave Technology Branch Washington, DC 20375-5000 Electronics Sci. and Tech. Division ";-1;0 "From: unpingco@raman.ucsd.edu (Jose Unpingco) Subject: FOR SALE: ULTRABOTS PC GAME Keywords: ULTRABOTS,video game, pc game Lines: 6 Electronics Art's Ultrabots game for sale with book and original 3.5"" disks in the original box. - $22 or best offer. contact: unpingco@raman.ucsd.edu ";8;1 "From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. Article-I.D.: midway.1993Apr6.044201.27457 Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Distribution: na Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 16 In article gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: >ok - sorry about that...i didn't realise he was being sarcastic about > those sort of things. > >but i'll tell you, mike lupica (daily news) usually says some pretty > funny things in his ""shooting from the lip"" columns... > >- bob gaj Y'know, if current trends continue, the Florida Marlins will be the first expansion team to go 162-0 and outscore their opponents by 486 runs. -- ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."" standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal ";-1;0 "From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) Subject: Re: Himmler's speech on the extirpation of the Jewish race Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science Lines: 56 It is appropriate to add what Himmler said other ""inferior races"" and ""human animals"" in his speech at Posen and elsewhere: From the speech of Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, before SS Major-Generals, Posen, October 4 1943 [""Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression"", Vol. IV, p. 559] ------------------------------------------------------------------- One basic principal must be the absolute rule for the SS man: we must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian, to a Czech, does not interest me in the slightest. What the nations can offer in good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary by kidnapping their children and raising them with us. Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise, it is of no interest to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion while digging an anti-tank ditch interest me only in so far as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished. We shall never be rough and heartless when it is not necessary, that is clear. We Germans, who are the only people in the world who have a decent attitude towards animals, will also assume a decent attitude towards these human animals. But it is a crime against our own blood to worry about them and give them ideals, thus causing our sons and grandsons to have a more difficult time with them. When someone comes to me and says, ""I cannot dig the anti-tank ditch with women and children, it is inhuman, for it will kill them"", then I would have to say, ""you are a murderer of your own blood because if the anti-tank ditch is not dug, German soldiers will die, and they are the sons of German mothers. They are our own blood"". Extract from Himmler's address to party comrades, September 7 1940 [""Trials of Wa Criminals"", Vol. IV, p. 1140] ------------------------------------------------------------------ If any Pole has any sexual dealing with a German woman, and by this I mean sexual intercourse, then the man will be hanged right in front of his camp. Then the others will not do it. Besides, provisions will be made that a sufficient number of Polish women and girls will come along as well so that a necessity of this kind is out of the question. The women will be brought before the courts without mercy, and where the facts are not sufficiently proved - such borderline cases always happen - they will be sent to a concentration camp. This we must do, unless these one million Poles and those hundreds of thousands of workers of alien blood are to inflict untold damage on the German blood. Philosophizing is of no avail in this case. It would be better if we did not have them at all - we all know that - but we need them. -Danny Keren. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Feminism and Islam, again From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu Organization: Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr14.030334.8650@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: > In article <1993Apr11.145519.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes: >> >>There's a way around that via the hadith, which state that silence is >>taken to mean ""yes"" and that women may not speak before a judge, who >>must conduct the marriage. > > Actaully, that's a false hadith, because it contradicts verses in the > Quran, that says women may testify- speak before a judge. > > Hadiths are declared false when they contradict the Quran. Hadiths > weren't written during the revelation or during the life of the prophet, > and so may contain errors. So the only way you can tell a false hadith from a true one is if it contradicts the Quran? What if it relates to something that isn't explicitly spelled out in the Quran? Also, the Quran wasn't written down during the life of Muhammed either. It wasn't long after, but 20 years or so is still long enough to shift a few verses around. Karl ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ""Lastly, I come to China in the hope | ""All you touch and all you see | | of fulfilling a lifelong ambition - | Is all your life will ever be."" | | dropping acid on the Great Wall."" --Duke | --Pink Floyd | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | A Lie is still a Lie even if 3.8 billion people believe it. | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler) Subject: Re: Schedule... Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA USA Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: teal In article <1993Apr20.052907.1625@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: >I can't believe that ESPN is making SportsChannel America look good. But only in NY,NJ, Philadelphia, and Chicago. Everywhere else, the only reason SportsChannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts. And local baseball pre-empted the NHL playoffs. Thus far into this playoff season, ESPN/ABC has given me more hockey in 2 days (1 game) than SportsChannel did (0 games). If people want hockey on TV, they should watch hockey on TV. I bet the ratings for hockey on Sunday on ABC went into the toilet. Next week, there will be far fewer ABC affiliates with hockey. Someone in this thread said that he wouldn't watch the games even if they were on TV, and this is a r.s.h. regular contributor! Xenophobes north of border needn't fear the US-Americanization of ""our"" game, because US-Americans will never figure out how to market hockey here. Support your team; support your game. -- Mike Eisler, mre@Eng.Sun.Com ``Not only are they [Leafs] the best team, but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than Pittsburgh's. Their players are mighty bright, too. I mean, he really *was* going to get his wallet back, right?'' Jan Brittenson 3/93, on Leaf/Pen woofers in rec.sport.hockey ";-1;0 "From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu Subject: Cryptography FAQ 02/10 - Net Etiquette Organization: The Crypt Cabal Lines: 92 Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Summary: Part 2 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Net Etiquette. Related newsgroups, appropriate topics, how to introduce an encryption scheme. X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part02 Last-modified: 1993/4/15 FAQ for sci.crypt, part 2: Net Etiquette This is the second of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers every 21 days. Contents: * What groups are around? What's a FAQ? Who am I? Why am I here? * Do political discussions belong in sci.crypt? * How do I present a new encryption scheme in sci.crypt? * What groups are around? What's a FAQ? Who am I? Why am I here? Read news.announce.newusers and news.answers for a few weeks. Always make sure to read a newsgroup for some time before you post to it. You'll be amazed how often the same question can be asked in the same newsgroup. After a month you'll have a much better sense of what the readers want to see. * Do political discussions belong in sci.crypt? No. In fact some newsgroups (notably misc.legal.computing) were created exactly so that political questions like ``Should RSA be patented?'' don't get in the way of technical discussions. Many sci.crypt readers also read misc.legal.computing, comp.org.eff.talk, comp.patents, sci.math, comp.compression, et al.; for the benefit of people who don't care about those other topics, try to put your postings in the right group. Questions about microfilm and smuggling and other non-cryptographic ``spy stuff'' don't belong in sci.crypt either. * How do I present a new encryption scheme in sci.crypt? ``I just came up with this neat method of encryption. Here's some ciphertext: FHDSIJOYW^&%$*#@OGBUJHKFSYUIRE. Is it strong?'' Without a doubt questions like this are the most annoying traffic on sci.crypt. If you have come up with an encryption scheme, providing some ciphertext from it is not adequate. Nobody has ever been impressed by random gibberish. Any new algorithm should be secure even if the opponent knows the full algorithm (including how any message key is distributed) and only the private key is kept secret. There are some systematic and unsystematic ways to take reasonably long ciphertexts and decrypt them even without prior knowledge of the algorithm, but this is a time-consuming and possibly fruitless exercise which most sci.crypt readers won't bother with. So what do you do if you have a new encryption scheme? First of all, find out if it's really new. Look through this FAQ for references and related methods. Familiarize yourself with the literature and the introductory textbooks. When you can appreciate how your cryptosystem fits into the world at large, try to break it yourself! You shouldn't waste the time of tens of thousands of readers asking a question which you could have easily answered on your own. If you really think your system is secure, and you want to get some reassurance from experts, you might try posting full details of your system, including working code and a solid theoretical explanation, to sci.crypt. (Keep in mind that the export of cryptography is regulated in some areas.) If you're lucky an expert might take some interest in what you posted. You can encourage this by offering cash rewards---for instance, noted cryptographer Ralph Merkle is offering $1000 to anyone who can break Snefru-4---but there are no guarantees. If you don't have enough experience, then most likely any experts who look at your system will be able to find a flaw. If this happens, it's your responsibility to consider the flaw and learn from it, rather than just add one more layer of complication and come back for another round. A different way to get your cryptosystem reviewed is to have the NSA look at it. A full discussion of this procedure is outside the scope of this FAQ. Among professionals, a common rule of thumb is that if you want to design a cryptosystem, you have to have experience as a cryptanalyst. ";-1;0 "From: billd@informix.com (William Daul) Subject: Toshiba 3401 E and P CD-ROM Summary: need info on what difference is and where to find 3401P or E Keywords: toshiba, cd, cd-rom, cd rom Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Lines: 10 I notice the Toshiba 3401 has 3 versions, B - internal, E - external and P - portable. Can anyone tell me the difference between the portable and the external version? Where in the SF Bay Area can I find a model P? Thanks, --Bill -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% William Daul Advanced Support INFORMIX SOFTWARE INC. 4100 Bohannon Dr. (415) 926-6488 - wk Menlo Park, CA. 94025 uunet!infmx!billd or billd@informix.com ";0;1 "From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca Lines: 34 In article wayne@amtower.spacecoast.orgX-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith writes: >> but I still want to know why it intrinsically better >> (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when >> managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. > >A SCSI controller that transfers data by DMA allows the cpu to request data >from the hard drive and continue working while the controller gets the data >and moves it to memory. IDE also uses DMA techniques. I believe floppy controller also uses DMA, and most A/D boards also use DMA. DMA is no big deal, and has nothing to do directly with SCSI. > For example, when rewinding or formatting a tape, the command is >issued to the controller and the bus is released to allow access to other >devices on the bus. This greatly increases productivity or, at least, do >something else while backing up your hard drive :-). Which happens to be >what I am doing while reading this group. You can thank your software for that. If DOS had a few more brains, it could format floppies etc. while you were doing something else. The hardware will support it, but DOS (at least) won't. Again, this has nothing to do with SCSI. >Its a long story, but I still use IDE on my 486 except for the CDROM which, >thanks to SCSI, I can move between both machines. If, and when, SCSI is >better standardized and supported on the ibm-clone machines, I plan to >completely get rid of IDE. And if you stick with DOS you'll wonder why you can't multitask. Again I ask why can't a UNIX or OS/2 type OS do all the miraculous things with an IDE harddrive that it can with a (single) SCSI hard drive. ";5;1 "From: dkusswur@falcon.depaul.edu (Daniel C. Kusswurm) Subject: Siggraph 1987 Course Notes Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.depaul.edu Organization: DePaul University, Chicago Distribution: usa Lines: 7 I am looking for a copy of the following Siggraph publication: Gomez, J.E. ""Comments on Event Driven Annimation,"" Siggraph Course Notes, 10, 1987. If anyone knows of a location where I can obtain a copy of these notes, I would appreciate if they could let me know. Thanks. dkusswur@falcon.depaul.edu ";-1;0 "From: jon@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Jon Zeeff) Subject: S3 video card at different address Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 7 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu I'd like to add a second S3 based video card to my system. Does anyone know of a company that sells a card that can coexist with another one? All I really need is color text on one monitor and fast color graphics on the other. Probably just a configurable address would do it. ";-1;0 "From: tpremo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Cinnamon Bear) Subject: Onkyo Integra series Integrated amp for sale: Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Distribution: na Lines: 18 I have a Onkyo integrated amplifier that I am looking to get rid of. 60w/ch works great Integra series not a problem Asking $100 OBO If your interested call me at 317-743-2656 or email this address. MAKE ME AN OFFER!!! Todd -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% (___________________________________ % Todd Premo / / / % Purdue Universtiy / __ __ / __ / % Environmental Engineering ";-1;0 "From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 24 J. Spencer (J.M.Spencer@newcastle.ac.uk) wrote: : manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: : >Jim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote: : >: > Last year the US suffered almost 10,000 wrongful or accidental : >: > deaths by handguns alone (FBI statistics). In the same year, the UK : >: > suffered 35 such deaths (Scotland Yard statistics). The population : >: > of the UK is about 1/5 that of the US (10,000 / (35 * 5)). Weighted : >: > for population, the US has 57x as many handgun-related deaths as the : >: > UK. And, no, the Brits don't make up for this by murdering 57x as : >: > many people with baseball bats. : [snip] : If you examine the figures, they do. Stabbing is favourite, closely : followed by striking, punching, kicking. Many more people are burnt to : death in Britain as are shot to death. Take at look and you'll see for : yourself. It means that very few people are shot to death in Great Britain. -- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o ";-1;0 "From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 40 In article , ""David R. Sacco"" writes: > Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must > be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for > any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants > to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and > reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It > is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing > in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity. > The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect > to join. There are just so many. > > Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus > Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a > hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So > convenient that it is burdensome at times. Your last remark is a contradiction, but I'll let that pass. I was addressing the notion of the Great Commission, which you deleted in order to provide us with dull little homilies. Thank you, Bing Crosby. Now you go right on back to sleep and mommy and daddy will tuck you in later. Oh, and how convenient his bible must have been to Michael Griffin, how convenient his Christianity. ""Well, I'll just skip the bit about not murdering people and loving the sinner and hating the sin and all that other stuff for now and concentrate on the part where it says that if someone is doing something wrong, you should shoot him in the back several times as he tries to hobble away on his crutches."" I'll leave the ""convert or die"" program of the missionaries and their military escorts in the Americas for Nadja to explain as she knows much more about it than I. Must be awfully convenient, by the way, to offer platitudes as you have done, David, rather than addressing the arguments. Dean Kaflowitz ";19;1 "From: freemant@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Toby Freeman,TJF,G151,3344813,OCT95, ) Subject: Re: CorelDraw Bitmap to SCODAL Nntp-Posting-Host: speedwell Reply-To: freemant@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Computing Science, Glasgow University, Glasgow. Lines: 38 >Does anyone know of software that will allow >you to convert CorelDraw (.CDR) files >containing bitmaps to SCODAL, as this is the >only format our bureau's filmrecorder recognises. > >Jeff Lyall I used this combination for a while - A QCR-Z recorder, I think - and as far as I remember Corel can EXPORT in SCODAL (.scd) format. Just select 'EXPORT' on the main file menu. This may not be implemented in earlier versions, of course, in which case you're on your own!!! Also, I seem to think that the s/w for the QCR-Z (at the time) did strange (and very undesirable) things if ANY part of the pic was outside the screen area on Corel. I once spent an afternoon painfully discovering that ONE pixel had somehow strayed off-screen, causing my whole slide to be blank!!! The QCR-Z also couldn't handle grad-fill over grad-fill - so if you use a graduated colour background, if you then grad-fill an object on top of this, the fill appears on the final slide as a circle (I think) and TOTALLY IGNORES the shape of the object being filled!!! Of course, if the recorder isn't a QCR, you can ignore all this and feel suitably :-) Cheers, Toby. ____________________________________._.____._.__________._.__________._.______ ____________________________________! \__/ !__________!_!__________! !______ ___! !___! . \/ . !___.__.___._.___.___._.! !__.___ ___! Toby Freeman !___! !\ /! !__/ __ \__! !__/ .__!_!. .__!___ ___! Glasgow University !___! !_\/_! !_! !__! !_! !_! <__.___! !______ ___! freemant@uk.ac.glasgow.dcs !___! !____! !_! !__! !_! !__\___ \__! !______ ___!____________________________!___! !____! !_! !__! !_! !_.____> !_! !__.___ ____________________________________!_!____!_!__\____/__!_!_!_____/___\___!___ ";-1;0 "From: U16028@uicvm.uic.edu Subject: Re: Coloured puck (was: CHANGES NOT NOTED YET!) Article-I.D.: uicvm.93095.203829U16028 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr5.171006.22196@bnr.ca>, dwarf@bcarh601.bnr.ca (W. Jim Jordan) says: >The precedent was set by the WHA in their first season. They used a red >puck for exhibition games and a blue one for the regular season. >Thankfully, they abandoned it in favour of black before the next season >began. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- One reason that the WHA abandoned the blue puck was the fact that it crumbled very quickly during play. The blue dye that was used somehow affected the vulcanized rubber of the puck, decreasing its cohesiveness. Terry U16028@uicvm.uic.edu &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& ";-1;0 "From: wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David ""Fuzzy"" Wells) Subject: Re: Space Debris Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 6 >There is a guy in NASA Johnson Space Center that might answer >your question. I do not have his name right now but if you follow >up I can dig that out for you. Keesler, Loftus, Potter, Stansbery, Kubriek....? ";-1;0 "From: eab@msc.edu (Edward Bertsch) Subject: Re: I have seen the lobby, and it is us Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Minneapolis, MN Lines: 18 I agree that notifying your elected officials of your feelings on this (and any other, for that matter) issue is the way to go. And by the way, the phone #s on the list posted the other day were all in Washington D.C. -- For most of you, your elected officials will also maintain a local office in your area code. When I 'manage' my elected officials, I use their local office #'s exclusively, and my fax modem and windows-print-capture software are my tool of choice. They see my words as I have stated them, rather than a summary as they would if I called in /voice/ and left a comment with the office staff. -- Edward A. Bertsch (eab@msc.edu) Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc. Operations/User Services 1200 Washington Avenue South (612) 626-1888 work Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415 (612) 645-0168 voice mail [DISCLAIMER: MY OPINIONS; NOT MSCI'S] ";-1;0 "From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) Subject: Re: sex education Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 9 In article , jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett) writes: > ... > Question for further discussion (as they say in the textbooks): Why don't > we teach ""safe drug use"" to kids, instead of drug abstinence? ... And how come we don't pass out bullet-proof vests in school to promote safe gun usage? Chris Mussack ";-1;0 "From: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) Subject: Re: Disillusioned Protestant Finds Christ Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 22 Reply-To: cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, tom@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht) says: >In article <1qb726$j9d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu< cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: >< > >So Jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross. Paradise and salvation are not the same thing. Salvation is better. Refer to John 14:2. >-- >Tom Albrecht > -- ------------ John W. Redelfs, cj195@cleveland.freenet.edu ------------- --------- All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --------- ";19;1 "From: hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 45 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu The key question is whether non-Clipper encryption will be made illegal. > The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption > threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, > we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have > effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every > American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an > unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a > false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is > an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, > and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, > balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper > Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. The clear middle ground implied by these statements is to say that Americans have the right to Clipper encryption, but not to unbreakable encryption. This implies that, ultimately, non-Clipper strong encryption must become illegal. (As an aside, isn't the language here jarring? All this talk about ""harmonious balance"" when they're talking about taking away people's right to communications privacy?) Although the article emphasizes voice communication, data and mail encryption is mentioned as well: >Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to >protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to >protect electronic mail and computer files. > -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to > employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; It looks like the worst nightmares raised by Dorothy Denning's proposals are coming true. If the government continues on this course, I imagine that we will see strong cryptography made illegal. Encryption programs for disk files and email, as well as software to allow for encrypted voice communications, will be distributed only through the ""underground"". People will have to learn how to hide the fact that they are protecting their privacy. It's shocking and frightening to see that this is actually happening here. Hal Finney hal@alumni.caltech.edu ";16;1 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Keith IS a relativist! Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) writes: >Keith, if you start wafffling on about how it is different for a human >to maul someone thrown into it's cage (so to speak), you'd better start >posting tome decent evidence or retract your 'I think there is an absolute >morality' blurb a few weeks ago. Did I claim that there was an absolute morality, or just an objective one? keith ";-1;0 "From: sbp002@acad.drake.edu Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad.drake.edu Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA > Not clear to me at all. I'd certainly rather have a team who was winning > 4-1 games than 2-1 games. In the 2-1 game, luck is going to play a much > bigger role than in the 4-1 game. But you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to one run. Sam > > Sherri Nichols > snichols@adobe.com ";14;1 "From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Subject: A/D board BUS SPEED probl Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Lines: 39 C >Hi: C >I have a 486DX2-66MHz computer to use with an A/D board C >for data acquisition on an AT bus...I'm having problems. C >The AT bus runs at 12.5 MHz - correct? So there should C >be no bus speed conflict. But I read somewhere that the C >new 486DX2-66 MHz CPU runs on a 33 MHz bus - is that for C >the local bus or the AT bus also - if so then I have a problem. C >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ C >When I run on non-turbo-mode the speed goes to 8 MHz and the C >A/D doesn't work. Please mail your views! Thanks. C >Vincent C >cyl5@musica.mcgill.ca C > The STANDARD AT bus (ISA) runs at 8MHz, not 12.5 MHz, but some non-stnadard ISA buses do have higher clock rates, but be careful, since some boards don't work with faster than standard rates. For instance, my 486 has adjustable AT bus speeds, and my PAS16 audio card chokes when I do AD data acquisition with a bus speed faster than 10MHz. The fact that non-turbo-mode speed A/D doesn't work is weird. You may have a motherboard with a hardware 'bug'. 33 MHz bus on the 486DX2 66 does refer to the local bus. FYI: the AT bus operates asynchronously, and is linked to the local bus via a 'bus interface', which is one function that your 'chipset'. -rdd --- . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | ";-1;0 "From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 15 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says: Mike Terry asks: >Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? > No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift off the ground. -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ ";-1;0 "From: ch41@prism.gatech.EDU (claye hart) Subject: graphics libraries Keywords: graphics, libraries Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 16 I am interested in a 2d/3d graphics library which will allow our design team to write graphics software for Unix workstations and be as portable as possible. Eventually this software will have to be moved to Microsoft Windows. It is my opinion that a good API with hooks to PEX underneath would prove most portable. Does anyone out there have any experience with Figaro+ form TGS or HOOPS from Ithaca Software? I would appreciate any comments. - Claye Hart -- Claye K. Hart 404-894-9729 Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!ch41 Internet: claye.hart@gtri.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: william.vaughan@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (WILLIAM DANIEL VAUGHAN) Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity Lines: 9 Organization: University of Utah Computer Center In article pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes: >From: pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) >Subject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 07:06:33 GMT >In article <1qaqi1INNgje@gap.caltech.edu>, werdna@cco.caltech.edu (Andrew >Tong) wrote: >> so what ";-1;0 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >>>How long does it [the motto] have to stay around before it becomes the >>>default? ... Where's the cutoff point? >>I don't know where the exact cutoff is, but it is at least after a few >>years, and surely after 40 years. >Why does the notion of default not take into account changes >in population makeup? Specifically, which changes are you talking about? Are you arguing that the motto is interpreted as offensive by a larger portion of the population now than 40 years ago? keith ";-1;0 "From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Subject: Re: migraine and exercise Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) Lines: 29 JL> From: jlecher@pbs.org JL> > I would not classify a mild headache that was continuous for weeks JL> > as migraine, even if the other typical features were there (e.g., JL> > unilateral, nausea and vomiting, photophobia). Migraines are, by JL> > common agreement, episodic rather than constant. JL> > JL> Well, I'm glad that you aren't my doctor, then, or I'd still be suffering. JL> Remember, I was tested for any other cause, and there was nothing. I'm JL> otherwise very healthy. JL> The nagging pain has all of the qualifications: it's on one side, and JL> frequently included my entire right side: right arm, right leg, right eye, JL> even the right side of my tongue hurt or tingled. Noise hurt, light hurt, JL> thinking hurt. When it got bad, I would lose my ability to read. The differential diagnosis between migraine and non-migranous pain is not *always* important, because some therapies are effective in both (e.g., tricyclic antidepressants such as amitriptyline, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen). Other therapies may be more specific: beta-blockers such as propranolol work better in migraine than tension-type headache. The most important thing, from your perspective, is that you got relief. Also, please understand that a diagnosis other than migraine does not necessarily mean ""psychogenic""; I suspect that organic factors play as large a role in tension-type headache as in migraine. --- . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) ";-1;0 "From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) Subject: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 12 The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. - Dave Borden borden@m5.harvard.edu ";-1;0 "From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: na Lines: 62 In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: >: That's all very well and good, but I was refering to all >: homocides, not just ones involving handguns (what is this fixation >: on death by shooting, as if it were somehow worse than death >: by stabbing?) >What relevance are ALL homicides in this debate?... >The issue is guns, not baseball bats. No. The issue is reducing crime, not guns. If gun control doesn't lower crime overall, then is doesn't address the issue. >...Even a simpleton knows that >he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat... Does that matter if assaults with a baseball bat become much more common? Muggers using a gun rely primarily on the threat of the gun, and rarely shoot their victim. A mugger using a knife is much more likely to start by stabbing his victim in an effort incapacitate him. So, while a knif may not be as deadly as a gun, criminals are more likely to actually _use_ the knife (as opposed to threatening the victim with it.) It isn't at all clear that replacing the criminal's gun with a knife would reduce murders. Stabbings might just become more common. That's why it is important to look at the overall (not the with-gun) homicide rate. It avoids the issue of substitution, different criminal techinques of using different weapons, etc... and measures what we want to prevent: Murders. >As for knives, see my earlier post. I'd much rather face a knife >than a gun, thanks. ""Face""? Possibly. However, facing knife-welding attackers isn't too common: Stabbing without warning and by supprise is the usual tactic. Very few criminals shoot from cover: It attracts to much attention and they don't have a chance to go through your pockets. Overall, I'd much rather be threatened with a gun than actually stabbed with a knife. >...Fortunately, the best defense against a knife isn't >another knife. Anyone trained in unarmed self-defense won't have >much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife >assault (which probably means 99.9% of knife assailants). Actually, the exact same statement is true of guns: Training in unarmed self-defence will let you disarm an untrained gunman without much problem. You also ignore the criminal's reaction: The National Crime Survey clearly shows that criminals (unarmed, armed with a knife, gun or whatever) are unwilling to risk their lives in a confrontation. If faced with a serious threat, almost all prefer to leave and find an easier target. Therefore, using (or threatening to use, as is much more commonly the case) a weapon _is_ the best defence against an attacker, regardless of how he is armed. Knives, however, are much less effective than guns: Criminals don't consider knifes as a ""serious threat"" nearly as often as they do guns. Frank Crary CU Boulder ";-1;0 "From: rivkin@watson.bms.com (TERRI RIVKIN, TERRI RIVKIN) Subject: House for Sale in Mercerville, NJ News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute Lines: 22 I am posting this for a friend. Please do not respond to me. Thanks. House for Sale!!!!! 16 Brockton Road, Mercerville, New Jersey Description: Beautiful 3 bedroom, 1 1/2 bath cape cod located on a large tastefully landscaped corner with fenced in lot. This home features an eat-in kitchen with built-in corner china closet, a large living room, wall-to-wall carpeting, hardwood floors, new ceramic tile foyer, and freshly painted neutral tone decor. This home includes new central air and heating, new roof, new water heater, aluminum siding, storm windows and doors and Rockwell insulation in all exterior walls. Also features a new partially finished basement with an outside entrance and new Duro shed. Lots of storage space. Convenient to Rt. 295. Extras: Dishwasher, Washer and Dryer, Ceiling Fans, and Window Treatments Call for appointment at (609) 586-1946. *****Open House on Sunday, April 18th, 1:00 - 4:00. Call for Directions***** ";-1;0 "From: mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) Subject: Re: Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans Nntp-Posting-Host: mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com Organization: Novell, Inc Lines: 23 In article , ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) wrote: > > > Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans > > [deleted for a very good reason which I'm sure you can guess] > 0. Enact a law that bans people without a sense of humor from posting allegedly humorous items. If he did this, I think his approval rating would go through the roof! > Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993 This means we can't quote Ed without his permission. No using these lists in your .sigs, folks! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Mel Walker mwalker@novell.com All opinions expressed are of the author. Novell, Inc. is not responsible for the content of this article. ";-1;0 "From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr20.124518.886@batman.bmd.trw.com> auerbach@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >Women stand up for your right to be just as stupid as men. Our new Attorney General seems determined to do so. In the past few days she has said: She hopes the King beating will not reduce public confidince in law enforcement. The tactics of using tear gas and driving tanks through walls in Waco were intended to further a ""peacefull solution"" to the crisis. Those same tactics were intended to prevent a mass suicide, but she never expected the sect to react by killing themselves. It's comforting to know, at least, that she wasn't Clinton's first choice... Frank Crary CU Boulder ";-1;0 "From: f2ehg786@umiami.ir.miami.edu Subject: Disappointed by La Cie Organization: Univ of Miami IR Lines: 52 Approximately four months ago, I purchased a Quantum 240LPS HD from La Cie for $649. After two months, the drive started having problems. First, there were intermittent freezes, then corrupted files and resources, then Silverlining 5.41 wouldn't even recognize the drive. So I got an RMA from La Cie and exchanged the new drive for a reconditioned one. Well, about a month has passed now and the second drive is having problems. Often, when I boot up my IIsi I get the flashing question mark. Sometimes, if I then insert the Silverlining (5.42) program I can get it to recognize the drive by making it scan over and over for drives. At that point I can restart the IIsi and boot from the HD. I've called La Cie again and they've given me another RMA. Their tech support people tell me that if Silverlining doesn't see the drive there's a definite hardware problem. Given that this is the second bad drive in four months, I asked La Cie to send me a *new* one, but they said ""no."" Also, within three weeks after I purchased my original drive, La Cie dropped the price on it by over $100. I can accept that a drive (or two) may be bad. And I know that hardware vendors make a practice of sending reconditioned replacements when they do repairs. And I understand that the nature of the computer industry lends itself to sudden price fluctuations. Nevertheless, taken together, the convergence of these facts/events have left a bad taste in my mouth. (I should have added above that when I asked La Cie to transfer the contents of my current drive to the one they will send_I think the data is still in good shape and I'll have to again reinstall everything from floppies_they said it would cost me $250 for data recovery.) It seems to me that reconditioned hardware should be sold as reconditioned at a discounted price, and that replacements for new hardware gone bad (still covered under a 90-day warranty) should be new. I feel a little helpless about all this. I don't mean to necessarily flame La Cie_their support staff have always been friendly and sometimes even helpful. But c'mon. Sometimes a little extra customer service goes a long way. (I sent a letter to La Cie's customer service when the first drive was returned and I asked them for a credit on the price difference since I had purchased the drive three weeks before they slashed the price. I told them I would like to apply the credit toward the purchase of another La Cie product. They didn't even have the courtesy to reply one way or the other.) What's the moral of this story? I'm not sure. But I do know I won't buy any other products from La Cie in the future. Bill Krauthammer f2ehg786@umiami.ir.miami.edu PS Please don't email or post about how good your La Cie product and service has been. I'm not suggesting that they are not a good company or anything like that. All I'm saying is that I've had a disappointing experience with them and I'll be taking my business elsewhere in the future. ";-1;0 "From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: Most bang for $13k Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 32 In article <23056.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (Da vid Bonds) writes: >In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes: > I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the > $13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be > driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to fee l > >Take a look at a '91 Taurus SHO - they can be found for ~13k, and are the >ultimate in 4 door sports cars. Performance similar to a Mustang, but >quite civil and comfortable... Try to get a late model 91 for the better >shifter. > > >---- >The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us) A PCBoard 14.5a system >Houston, Texas, USA +1.713.466.1525 running uuPCB >Well, you could always go with a 5.0 Mustang LX with a pleasant V8, but the diamond star cars (Talon/Eclipse/Laser) put out 190 hp in the turbo models, and 195 hp in the AWD turbo models, These cars also have handling to match the muscle, and are civil in regular driving conditions, rather than having a harsh, stiff ride....The AWD Turbo is clearly the better choice of the two (because of all that torque steer on the front drive model), but you may have to go with a leftover or ""slightly"" used model for that price range....tough decision... Rob Fusi rwf2@lehigh.edu -- ";-1;0 "From: 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) Subject: Need Senate Bill numbers and House Resolution numbers Lines: 30 Sorry for posting this here, but noone has replied to my post from the politics side of the group. I want to get involved in the fight to save our gun rights. But first, I need to get a little more educated. I've been reading all the magzines and books I can get my hands on, and sifting through hundreds of messages here in the Internet. I want to obtain a COMPLETE list of Senate Bill and House Resolution names/numbers. Can anyone tell me how/where to obtain this info? Surely there has to be a way to obtain copies of anti-gun legislation from those *&%$#@'s in Washington. Any help is appreciated. /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Peter D. Nesbitt | Air Traffic Controller | PNESBITT@MCIMAIL.COM | | | Oakland Bay TRACON | | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | CBR600F2 Pilot | NRA Member CCX1380F | S&W .41 Magnum Carrier | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ";-1;0 "From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) Subject: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks? Organization: Mail Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 56 I have just installed a Diamond Stealth 24 ISA card in a '486DX2-66 system with 256K cache, and 16 megs of memory, that gets about a 126 SI 6.0 CPU Benchmark rating. Using the 1024x768x16 color driver under Windows, I am getting a Winbench Winmarks rating of only about 9.5 Million. Since I have heard that others get 15-to-16 million for this card, I assume that something is very wrong with my setup. What are some possible causes of the card slowing down like this? I ran the Qualitas ASQ diagnostic program on memory, and I noted the following memory timings on my machine: ASQ v1.30 by Qualitas SYSTEM ANALYSIS Mon Apr 19, 1993 11:43:49AM page: 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ACCESS TIMING Hex KB KB Access Speed Ratio (%) Start Start Size Time us 0 25 50 75 100 00000 0 32 396 ****************** 00800 32 32 598 ***************** 01000 64 32 157 ******************** 01800 96 32 180 ******************** 02000 128 64 157 ******************** 03000 192 32 165 ******************** 03800 224 128 156 ******************** 05800 352 96 169 ******************** 07000 448 32 153 ******************** 07800 480 32 188 ******************** 08000 512 96 158 ******************** 09800 608 32 171 ******************** 0A000 640 96 1221 ************** 0B800 736 32 1581 ************ 0C000 768 32 312 ******************* 0C800 800 96 154 ******************** 0E000 896 64 3957 * 0F000 960 64 312 ******************* Note two things on this chart: 1) The video memory appears to be many orders of magnitude slower than system memory. Are there wait states being inserted here, and what would cause that? 2) The EMS Page frame seems to be ridiculously slow, even though it is being mapped to the fast XMS memory in my system through EMM386. What's going on there? Note that my Stealth 24's video BIOS at C000-C7FF is being shadowed through the AMI BIOS. Any ideas on what might be happening here? -- Will Estes Internet: westes@netcom.com ";-1;0 "From: jrs@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Robert Sapp) Subject: Re: Billy gets cheers in Baltimore! Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library Distribution: na Lines: 41 In article <5APR199313263142@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller) writes: >Orioles vs. Texas at Camden Yards, April 5, Opening Day: > >Batting 9th for Texas, playing Second Base: > > BILLY ... RIPKEN > >The hometown crowd gave their favorite ex-2nd Baseman a 2-minute standing >ovation as Billy, wearing flashy shades, took the cheers smiling and >waving. > > ""Consummate role player"" (in the words of P.A. caller Jon Miller) >Tim Hulett failed to receive similar cheers when announced. Mainly because >he didn't have the courtesy to show up. Wasn't Hulett injured yesterday after being hit in the face with a ball while running bases? I heard something about him recieving stiches and a possible broken nose. Is he at the park? > Fernando was warmly received, good to see that. Let's see how they feel when he's 0 and 4 with a 4.9 ERA. I have my doubts about Fernando. > F.Y.I, when Cal was announced, Jon Miller says: > ""It seems like yesterday when this young man...began a consecutive >game streak ... 10-time All-Star, 2 time MVP, 2 time gold glover, our >future Hall of Fame shortsop, batting 3rd, Cal Ripken"". The Standing O >lasted about 15 seconds. 1:45 less than Billy. Blargh. Well, when a fan favorite gets dumped, he's gonna get an outstanding ovation on his first return. Let's add up the ovations Cal has recieved over the years during the game and compare that to Billy. BTW, Sutcliffe's getting knocked around pretty good. Rangers up 5 - 1 in the bottom of the fourth. --Rob ";-1;0 "From: walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) Subject: Re: Age of Consent == Child Molestation Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA Lines: 20 From article , by rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese): > In article <15148@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes: #>NAMBLA's presence in the SF Gay Pride Parade says quite a bit. #>It says that either the parade organizers want to show support #>for NAMBLA, or they themselves have a fundamental misunderstanding #>of their rights and responsibilities. I would really, really like #>to believe the latter, but I would need some help to do so. > There are dozens of examples of the latter; NAMBLA is an especially > glaring one, but hardly the only one. Perhaps, though the exclusion of the Gay Perotistas in the SF Gay Pride Parade would make me think that they had some clue in this regard. Dozens of examples? I don't know... -- Mark Walsh (walsh@optilink) -- UUCP: uunet!optilink!walsh Amateur Radio: KM6XU@WX3K -- AOL: BigCookie@aol.com -- USCF: L10861 ""What, me worry?"" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992 ""I'm gonna crush you!"" - Andre the Giant, 1946-1993 ";-1;0 "From: Richard Soderberg Subject: What disk drives are out there? X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 16:56:10 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: bart.mic.ki.se Organization: MIC-KIBIC, the Karolinska Institute, Sweden X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Lines: 14 When sw is delivered you will often (always?) get 360 k diskettes if you opt for the 5 1/4 inch format. How big a %-tage of existing PC/XT/AT/PS2's have these low capacity drives as their only diskette station? (o o) +------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo-----------------------------+ | Richard Soderberg, MD | The Karolinska Institute | | Systems analyst | MIC-KIBIC | | Voice#: +8 46 728 80 00 | Library and | | Fax# : +8 46 33 04 81 | Medical Information Center | | Snail : PO Box 602 01 | Doktorsringen 21 C, | | S-104 01 Stockholm | S-104 01 Stockholm | | Email : richard@micb.mic.ki.se | SWEDEN | +------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ ";5;1 "From: dante@shakala.com (Charlie Prael) Subject: Re: army in space Organization: Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 Lines: 23 ktj@beach.cis.ufl.edu (kerry todd johnson) writes: > Is anybody out there willing to discuss with me careers in the Army that deal > with space? After I graduate, I will have a commitment to serve in the Army, > and I would like to spend it in a space-related field. I saw a post a long > time ago about the Air Force Space Command which made a fleeting reference to > its Army counter-part. Any more info on that would be appreciated. I'm > looking for things like: do I branch Intelligence, or Signal, or other? To > whom do I voice my interest in space? What qualifications are necessary? > Etc, etc. BTW, my major is computer science engineering. Kerry-- I'm guessing a little at this, because it's been a few years since I saw the info, but you will probably want to look at Air Defense Artillery as a specialty, or possibly Signals. The kind of thing you're looking for is SDI-type assignments, but it'll be pretty prosaic stuff. Things like hard-kill ATBM missiles, some of the COBRA rigs -- that kind of thing. Hope that gives you some ideas on where to look, though. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Charlie Prael - dante@shakala.com Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 ";2;1 "From: black@westford.ccur.com (Samuel Black) Subject: Re: Realtime X-tensions Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford, MA Lines: 19 > I am looking for information on any work that deals with real-time > support in X-windows????!! > Would be happy if you could provide any pointers or information Concurrent has a product called RealTimeX (tm) that is a set of real-time extensions to the X Window System. RealTimeX is currently supported on the Concurrent Series 7000 and Series 8000 with the GA5000 graphics accelerator. If you need/want more info, let me know. - sam black ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Once you remove the absurdity from human existence, there isn't much left. __________ / _______/__ /__/______/ / black@westford.ccur.com Concurrent /_________/ Computer Corporation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: kastle@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jacques W Brouillette) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 8 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER Could we plase cease this discussion. I fail to see why people feel the need to expound upon this issue for days and days on end. These areas are not meant for this type of discussion. If you feel the need to do such things, please take your thought elsewhere. Thanks. -- : I want only two things from this world, a 58 Plymouth and a small : : OPEC nation with which to fuel it. This would be a good and just : : thing. Car Smashers can just go home and sulk. : : Jacques Brouillette --- Manufacturing Engineering : ";-1;0 "From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough) Subject: New software for sale Keywords: software Distribution: na Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society Lines: 34 These programs all include complete printed manuals and registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs at less than half the list price and significantly less than the cheapest mail-order price around. * MICROSOFT ENTERTAINMENT PACK VOLUME ONE, includes eight different Windows-based games, including Tetris, Taipei, Minesweeper, TicTactics, Golf, Cruel, Pegged, and IdleWild, list $49, sale $20. * JUST JOKING FOR WINDOWS 1.0, database of jokes from WordStar, can quickly find jokes for many different occasions, useful for business writers, speechwriters, presenters, and others, more than 2,800 jokes under 250 topics, can search by keyword and author, list $49, sale $25. * HUMOR PROCESSOR 2.02, DOS-based database of jokes, requires only 384 KB of RAM, along with thousands of categorized jokes you can quickly find also includes an online tutorial for writing your own jokes with proven comedy forumulas, list $99, sale $45. * HISTORY OF THE WORLD 1.0, multimedia CD-ROM covering cave society to the present, includes recordings of 25 famous speeches from Churchhill, Gandi, and others, list $795, sale $160. If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at 215-885-7446 (Philadelphia) and I'll save the package for you. -- Reid Goldsborough reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ";-1;0 "From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese) Subject: Re: Windows Speaker Sound Driver Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) Lines: 11 In article <1993Apr19.235430.6097@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) writes: >Is there an ftp site where I can get the MS speaker sound driver? There's >a ""sound.exe"" file that claims to be the driver but I'm suspicious since >it's not a .drv file. Thats the file... -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Tony Annese claebaur@shell.portal.com -or- claebaur@cup.portal.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ";-1;0 "From: bradfrd2@ncar.ucar.edu (Mark Bradford) Subject: Astro/Space Frequently Seen Acronyms Supersedes: Organization: LifeForms Unlimited, Cephalopods Lines: 509 Expires: 19 May 1993 04:00:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com Keywords: long space astro tla acronyms X-Last-Updated: 1992/12/07 Archive-name: space/acronyms Edition: 8 Acronym List for sci.astro, sci.space, and sci.space.shuttle: Edition 8, 1992 Dec 7 Last posted: 1992 Aug 27 This list is offered as a reference for translating commonly appearing acronyms in the space-related newsgroups. If I forgot or botched your favorite acronym, please let me know! Also, if there's an acronym *not* on this list that confuses you, drop me a line, and if I can figure it out, I'll add it to the list. Note that this is intended to be a reference for *frequently seen* acronyms, and is most emphatically *not* encyclopedic. If I incorporated every acronym I ever saw, I'd soon run out of disk space! :-) The list will be posted at regular intervals, every 30 days. All comments regarding it are welcome; I'm reachable as bradfrd2@ncar.ucar.edu. Note that this just tells what the acronyms stand for -- you're on your own for figuring out what they *mean*! Note also that the total number of acronyms in use far exceeds what I can list; special-purpose acronyms that are essentially always explained as they're introduced are omitted. Further, some acronyms stand for more than one thing; as of Edition 3 of the list, these acronyms appear on multiple lines, unless they're simply different ways of referring to the same thing. Thanks to everybody who's sent suggestions since the first version of the list, and especially to Garrett A. Wollman (wollman@griffin.uvm.edu), who is maintaining an independent list, somewhat more verbose in character than mine, and to Daniel Fischer (dfi@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de), who is maintaining a truly HUGE list (535 at last count) of acronyms and terms, mostly in German (which I read, fortunately). Special thanks this time to Ken Hollis at NASA, who sent me a copy of NASA Reference Publication 1059 Revised: _Space Transportation System and Associated Payloads: Glossary, Acronyms, and Abbreviations_, a truly mammoth tome -- almost 300 pages of TLAs. Special Bonus! At the end of this posting, you will find a perl program written by none other than Larry Wall, whose purpose is to scramble the acronym list in an entertaining fashion. Thanks, Larry! A&A: Astronomy and Astrophysics AAO: Anglo-Australian Observatory AAS: American Astronomical Society AAS: American Astronautical Society AAVSO: American Association of Variable Star Observers ACE: Advanced Composition Explorer ACRV: Assured Crew Return Vehicle (or) Astronaut Crew Rescue Vehicle ADFRF: Ames-Dryden Flight Research Facility (was DFRF) (NASA) AGN: Active Galactic Nucleus AGU: American Geophysical Union AIAA: American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics AIPS: Astronomical Image Processing System AJ: Astronomical Journal ALEXIS: Array of Low Energy X-ray Imaging Sensors ALPO: Association of Lunar and Planetary Observers ALS: Advanced Launch System ANSI: American National Standards Institute AOA: Abort Once Around (Shuttle abort plan) AOCS: Attitude and Orbit Control System Ap.J: Astrophysical Journal APM: Attached Pressurized Module (a.k.a. Columbus) APU: Auxiliary Power Unit ARC: Ames Research Center (NASA) ARTEMIS: Advanced Relay TEchnology MISsion ASA: Astronomical Society of the Atlantic ASI: Agenzia Spaziale Italiano ASRM: Advanced Solid Rocket Motor ATDRS: Advanced Tracking and Data Relay Satellite ATLAS: Atmospheric Laboratory for Applications and Science ATM: Amateur Telescope Maker ATO: Abort To Orbit (Shuttle abort plan) AU: Astronomical Unit AURA: Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy AW&ST: Aviation Week and Space Technology (a.k.a. AvLeak) AXAF: Advanced X-ray Astrophysics Facility BATSE: Burst And Transient Source Experiment (on CGRO) BBXRT: Broad-Band X-Ray Telescope (ASTRO package) BEM: Bug-Eyed Monster BH: Black Hole BIMA: Berkeley Illinois Maryland Array BNSC: British National Space Centre BTW: By The Way C&T: Communications & Tracking CCAFS: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station CCD: Charge-Coupled Device CCDS: Centers for the Commercial Development of Space CD-ROM: Compact Disk Read-Only Memory CFA: Center For Astrophysics CFC: ChloroFluoroCarbon CFF: Columbus Free Flyer CFHT: Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope CGRO: (Arthur Holley) Compton Gamma Ray Observatory (was GRO) CHARA: Center for High Angular Resolution Astronomy CIRRIS: Cryogenic InfraRed Radiance Instrument for Shuttle CIT: Circumstellar Imaging Telescope CM: Command Module (Apollo spacecraft) CMCC: Central Mission Control Centre (ESA) CNES: Centre National d'Etude Spatiales CNO: Carbon-Nitrogen-Oxygen CNSR: Comet Nucleus Sample Return COBE: COsmic Background Explorer COMPTEL: COMPton TELescope (on CGRO) COSTAR: Corrective Optics Space Telescope Axial Replacement CRAF: Comet Rendezvous / Asteroid Flyby CRRES: Combined Release / Radiation Effects Satellite CSM: Command and Service Module (Apollo spacecraft) CSTC: Consolidated Satellite Test Center (USAF) CTIO: Cerro Tololo Interamerican Observatory DCX: Delta Clipper eXperimental DDCU: DC-to-DC Converter Unit DFRF: Dryden Flight Research Facility (now ADFRF) DMSP: Defense Meteorological Satellite Program DOD: Department Of Defense (sometimes DoD) DOE: Department Of Energy DOT: Department Of Transportation DSCS: Defense Satellite Communications System DSN: Deep Space Network DSP: Defense Support Program (USAF/NRO) EAFB: Edwards Air Force Base ECS: Environmental Control System EDO: Extended Duration Orbiter EGRET: Energetic Gamma Ray Experiment Telescope (on CGRO) EJASA: Electronic Journal of the Astronomical Society of the Atlantic ELV: Expendable Launch Vehicle EMU: Extravehicular Mobility Unit EOS: Earth Observing System ERS: Earth Resources Satellite (as in ERS-1) ESA: European Space Agency ESO: European Southern Observatory ET: (Shuttle) External Tank ETLA: Extended Three Letter Acronym ETR: Eastern Test Range EUV: Extreme UltraViolet EUVE: Extreme UltraViolet Explorer EVA: ExtraVehicular Activity FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions FAST: Fast Auroral SnapshoT explorer FFT: Fast Fourier Transform FGS: Fine Guidance Sensors (on HST) FHST: Fixed Head Star Trackers (on HST) FIR: Far InfraRed FITS: Flexible Image Transport System FOC: Faint Object Camera (on HST) FOS: Faint Object Spectrograph (on HST) FRR: Flight-Readiness Review FTP: File Transfer Protocol FTS: Flight Telerobotic Servicer FUSE: Far Ultraviolet Spectroscopic Explorer FWHM: Full Width at Half Maximum FYI: For Your Information GAS: Get-Away Special GBT: Green Bank Telescope GCVS: General Catalog of Variable Stars GEM: Giotto Extended Mission GEO: Geosynchronous Earth Orbit GDS: Great Dark Spot GHRS: Goddard High Resolution Spectrograph (on HST) GIF: Graphics Interchange Format GLOMR: Global Low-Orbiting Message Relay GMC: Giant Molecular Cloud GMRT: Giant Meter-wave Radio Telescope GMT: Greenwich Mean Time (also called UT) GOES: Geostationary Orbiting Environmental Satellite GOX: Gaseous OXygen GPC: General Purpose Computer GPS: Global Positioning System GRO: Gamma Ray Observatory (now CGRO) GRS: Gamma Ray Spectrometer (on Mars Observer) GRS: Great Red Spot GSC: Guide Star Catalog (for HST) GSFC: Goddard Space Flight Center (NASA) GTO: Geostationary Transfer Orbit HAO: High Altitude Observatory HD: Henry Draper catalog entry HEAO: High Energy Astronomical Observatory HeRA: Hermes Robotic Arm HF: High Frequency HGA: High Gain Antenna HLC: Heavy Lift Capability HLV: Heavy Lift Vehicle HMC: Halley Multicolor Camera (on Giotto) HR: Hertzsprung-Russell (diagram) HRI: High Resolution Imager (on ROSAT) HSP: High Speed Photometer (on HST) HST: Hubble Space Telescope HUT: Hopkins Ultraviolet Telescope (ASTRO package) HV: High Voltage IAPPP: International Amateur/Professional Photoelectric Photometry IAU: International Astronomical Union IAUC: IAU Circular ICE: International Cometary Explorer IDA: International Dark-sky Association IDL: Interactive Data Language IGM: InterGalactic Medium IGY: International Geophysical Year IMHO: In My Humble Opinion IOTA: Infrared-Optical Telescope Array IOTA: International Occultation Timing Association IPS: Inertial Pointing System IR: InfraRed IRAF: Image Reduction and Analysis Facility IRAS: InfraRed Astronomical Satellite ISAS: Institute of Space and Astronautical Science (Japan) ISM: InterStellar Medium ISO: Infrared Space Observatory ISO: International Standards Organization ISPM: International Solar Polar Mission (now Ulysses) ISY: International Space Year IUE: International Ultraviolet Explorer IUS: Inertial Upper Stage JEM: Japanese Experiment Module (for SSF) JGR: Journal of Geophysical Research JILA: Joint Institute for Laboratory Astrophysics JPL: Jet Propulsion Laboratory JSC: Johnson Space Center (NASA) KAO: Kuiper Airborne Observatory KPNO: Kitt Peak National Observatory KSC: Kennedy Space Center (NASA) KTB: Cretaceous-Tertiary Boundary (from German) LANL: Los Alamos National Laboratory LaRC: Langley Research Center (NASA) LDEF: Long Duration Exposure Facility LEM: Lunar Excursion Module (a.k.a. LM) (Apollo spacecraft) LEO: Low Earth Orbit LeRC: Lewis Research Center (NASA) LEST: Large Earth-based Solar Telescope LFSA: List of Frequently Seen Acronyms (!) LGA: Low Gain Antenna LGM: Little Green Men LH: Liquid Hydrogen (also LH2 or LHX) LLNL: Lawrence-Livermore National Laboratory LM: Lunar Module (a.k.a. LEM) (Apollo spacecraft) LMC: Large Magellanic Cloud LN2: Liquid N2 (Nitrogen) LOX: Liquid OXygen LRB: Liquid Rocket Booster LSR: Local Standard of Rest LTP: Lunar Transient Phenomenon MB: Manned Base MCC: Mission Control Center MECO: Main Engine CutOff MMH: MonoMethyl Hydrazine MMT: Multiple Mirror Telescope MMU: Manned Maneuvering Unit MNRAS: Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society MOC: Mars Observer Camera (on Mars Observer) MOL: Manned Orbiting Laboratory MOLA: Mars Observer Laser Altimeter (on Mars Observer) MOMV: Manned Orbital Maneuvering Vehicle MOTV: Manned Orbital Transfer Vehicle MPC: Minor Planets Circular MRSR: Mars Rover and Sample Return MRSRM: Mars Rover and Sample Return Mission MSFC: (George C.) Marshall Space Flight Center (NASA) MTC: Man Tended Capability NACA: National Advisory Committee on Aeronautics (became NASA) NASA: National Aeronautics and Space Administration NASDA: NAtional Space Development Agency (Japan) NASM: National Air and Space Museum NASP: National AeroSpace Plane NBS: National Bureau of Standards (now NIST) NDV: NASP Derived Vehicle NERVA: Nuclear Engine for Rocket Vehicle Application NGC: New General Catalog NICMOS: Near Infrared Camera / Multi Object Spectrometer (HST upgrade) NIMS: Near-Infrared Mapping Spectrometer (on Galileo) NIR: Near InfraRed NIST: National Institute for Standards and Technology (was NBS) NLDP: National Launch Development Program NOAA: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration NOAO: National Optical Astronomy Observatories NRAO: National Radio Astronomy Observatory NRO: National Reconnaissance Office NS: Neutron Star NSA: National Security Agency NSF: National Science Foundation NSO: National Solar Observatory NSSDC: National Space Science Data Center NTR: Nuclear Thermal Rocket(ry) NTT: New Technology Telescope OAO: Orbiting Astronomical Observatory OCST: Office of Commercial Space Transportation OMB: Office of Management and Budget OMS: Orbital Maneuvering System OPF: Orbiter Processing Facility ORFEUS: Orbiting and Retrievable Far and Extreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer OSC: Orbital Sciences Corporation OSCAR: Orbiting Satellite Carrying Amateur Radio OSSA: Office of Space Science and Applications OSSE: Oriented Scintillation Spectrometer Experiment (on CGRO) OTA: Optical Telescope Assembly (on HST) OTHB: Over The Horizon Backscatter OTV: Orbital Transfer Vehicle OV: Orbital Vehicle PAM: Payload Assist Module PAM-D: Payload Assist Module, Delta-class PI: Principal Investigator PLSS: Portable Life Support System PM: Pressurized Module PMC: Permanently Manned Capability PMIRR: Pressure Modulated InfraRed Radiometer (on Mars Observer) PMT: PhotoMultiplier Tube PSF: Point Spread Function PSR: PulSaR PV: Photovoltaic PVO: Pioneer Venus Orbiter QSO: Quasi-Stellar Object RCI: Rodent Cage Interface (for SLS mission) RCS: Reaction Control System REM: Rat Enclosure Module (for SLS mission) RF: Radio Frequency RFI: Radio Frequency Interference RIACS: Research Institute for Advanced Computer Science RMS: Remote Manipulator System RNGC: Revised New General Catalog ROSAT: ROentgen SATellite ROUS: Rodents Of Unusual Size (I don't believe they exist) RSN: Real Soon Now RTG: Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator RTLS: Return To Launch Site (Shuttle abort plan) SAA: South Atlantic Anomaly SAGA: Solar Array Gain Augmentation (for HST) SAMPEX: Solar Anomalous and Magnetospheric Particle EXplorer SAO: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory SAR: Search And Rescue SAR: Synthetic Aperture Radar SARA: Satellite pour Astronomie Radio Amateur SAREX: Search and Rescue Exercise SAREX: Shuttle Amateur Radio Experiment SAS: Space Activity Suit SAS: Space Adaptation Syndrome SAT: Synthetic Aperture Telescope S/C: SpaceCraft SCA: Shuttle Carrier Aircraft SCT: Schmidt-Cassegrain Telescope SDI: Strategic Defense Initiative SDIO: Strategic Defense Initiative Organization SEI: Space Exploration Initiative SEST: Swedish ESO Submillimeter Telescope SETI: Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence SID: Sudden Ionospheric Disturbance SIR: Shuttle Imaging Radar SIRTF: Space (formerly Shuttle) InfraRed Telescope Facility SL: SpaceLab SLAR: Side-Looking Airborne Radar SLC: Space Launch Complex SLS: Space(lab) Life Sciences SMC: Small Magellanic Cloud SME: Solar Mesosphere Explorer SMEX: SMall EXplorers SMM: Solar Maximum Mission SN: SuperNova (e.g., SN1987A) SNR: Signal to Noise Ratio SNR: SuperNova Remnant SNU: Solar Neutrino Units SOFIA: Stratospheric Observatory For Infrared Astronomy SOHO: SOlar Heliospheric Observatory SPAN: Space Physics and Analysis Network SPDM: Special Purpose Dextrous Manipulator SPOT: Systeme Probatoire pour l'Observation de la Terre SPS: Solar Power Satellite SRB: Solid Rocket Booster SRM: Solid Rocket Motor SSF: Space Station Fred (er, Freedom) SSI: Solid-State Imager (on Galileo) SSI: Space Studies Institut SSME: Space Shuttle Main Engine SSPF: Space Station Processing Facility SSRMS: Space Station Remote Manipulator System SST: Spectroscopic Survey Telescope SST: SuperSonic Transport SSTO: Single Stage To Orbit STIS: Space Telescope Imaging Spectrometer (to replace FOC and GHRS) STS: Shuttle Transport System (or) Space Transportation System STScI: Space Telescope Science Institute SWAS: Submillimeter Wave Astronomy Satellite SWF: ShortWave Fading TAL: Transatlantic Abort Landing (Shuttle abort plan) TAU: Thousand Astronomical Unit (mission) TCS: Thermal Control System TDRS: Tracking and Data Relay Satellite TDRSS: Tracking and Data Relay Satellite System TES: Thermal Emission Spectrometer (on Mars Observer) TIROS: Television InfraRed Observation Satellite TLA: Three Letter Acronym TOMS: Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer TPS: Thermal Protection System TSS: Tethered Satellite System UARS: Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite UBM: Unpressurized Berthing Mechanism UDMH: Unsymmetrical DiMethyl Hydrazine UFO: Unidentified Flying Object UGC: Uppsala General Catalog UHF: Ultra High Frequency UIT: Ultraviolet Imaging Telescope (Astro package) UKST: United Kingdom Schmidt Telescope USAF: United States Air Force USMP: United States Microgravity Payload UT: Universal Time (a.k.a. GMT, UTC, or Zulu Time) UTC: Coordinated Universal Time (a.k.a. UT) UV: UltraViolet UVS: UltraViolet Spectrometer VAB: Vehicle Assembly Building (formerly Vertical Assembly Building) VAFB: Vandenberg Air Force Base VEEGA: Venus-Earth-Earth Gravity Assist (Galileo flight path) VHF: Very High Frequency VLA: Very Large Array VLBA: Very Long Baseline Array VLBI: Very Long Baseline Interferometry VLF: Very Low Frequency VLT: Very Large Telescope VMS: Vertical Motion Simulator VOIR: Venus Orbiting Imaging Radar (superseded by VRM) VPF: Vertical Processing Facility VRM: Venus Radar Mapper (now called Magellan) WD: White Dwarf WFPC: Wide Field / Planetary Camera (on HST) WFPCII: Replacement for WFPC WIYN: Wisconsin / Indiana / Yale / NOAO telescope WSMR: White Sands Missile Range WTR: Western Test Range WUPPE: Wisconsin Ultraviolet PhotoPolarimter Experiment (Astro package) XMM: X-ray Multi Mirror XUV: eXtreme UltraViolet YSO: Young Stellar Object #!/usr/bin/perl # 'alt', An Acronym Scrambling Program, by Larry Wall $THRESHOLD = 2; srand; while (<>) { next unless /^([A-Z]\S+): */; $key = $1; $acro{$key} = $'; @words = split(/\W+/,$'); unshift(@words,$key); $off = 0; foreach $word (@words) { next unless $word =~ /^[A-Z]/; *w = $&; vec($w{$word}, $off++ % 6, 1) = 1; } } foreach $letter (A .. Z) { *w = $letter; @w = keys %w; if (@w < $THRESHOLD) { @d = `egrep '^$letter' /usr/dict/words`; chop @d; push(@w, @d); } } foreach $key (sort keys %acro) { $off = 0; $acro = $acro{$key}; $acro =~ s/((([A-Z])[A-Z]*)[a-z]*)/ &pick($3, $2, $1, ++$off) || $& /eg; print ""$key: $acro""; } sub pick { local($letter, $prefix, $oldword, $off) = @_; $i = 0; if (length($prefix) > 1 && index($key,$prefix) < 0) { if ($prefix eq $oldword) { $prefix = ''; } else { $prefix = $letter; } } if (length($prefix) > 1) { local(*w) = substr($prefix,0,1); do { $word = $w[rand @w]; } until $word ne $oldword && $word =~ /^$prefix/i || ++$i > 30; $word =~ s/^$prefix/$prefix/i; $word; } elsif (length($prefix) == 1) { local(*w) = $prefix; do { $word = $w[rand @w]; } until $word ne $oldword && vec($w{$word}, $off, 1) || ++$i > 10; $word = ""\u\L$word"" if $word =~ tr/a-z/A-Z/; $word; } else { local(*w) = substr($oldword,0,1); do { $word = $w[rand @w]; } until $word ne $oldword && $word =~ tr/a-z/A-Z/ == 0 || ++$i > 30; $word; } } -- Mark Bradford (bradfrd2@ncar.ucar.edu) <> To err is human, to moo bovine. ""It's an ill wind that gathers no moss."" ";2;1 "Organization: Ministry of Education, Computer Center NETNEWS system V2.3 From: Subject: change default visual Lines: 5 My HP720 workstation uses PseudoColor (id 0x21, 255 colors) as the default visual. How can I start X with different visual as default? ";-1;0 "From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: History question Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov In article <2775@snap> paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes: > >I recall reading of a phonograph which used mechanical amplification. >Compressed air was squirted out of a valve which was controlled by the >pickup. The result was noisy and distinctly lo-fi, but much louder >than a conventional phonograph. It tended to wear the disks out >pretty quickly though. This was the Pathe you are thinking of, although there were other imitators. It didn't wear the disks any more than conventional acoustic designs, but it did have a high noise level due to the continual hiss of escaping air. There are a lot of them still operating, and they are pretty ingenious. There was a pneumatic amplifier designed by Alexander Graham Bell, as well, but I don't know if it was ever constructed. --scott ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: O.T.O clarification Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 14 Sorry, the San Jose based Rosicrucian order is called A.M.O.R.C, I don't remember for the time being what the A.M. stand for but O.R.C is Ordo Rosae Crucis, in other words latin for Order of the Rose Cross. Sigh, seems l'm loosing more and more of my long term memory. Otherwise their headquarters in San Jose has a pretty decent metaphysical bookstore, if any of you are interested in such books. And my son loves to run around in their Egyptian museum. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory Lines: 14 >>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake> >>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the j>udgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one. >just to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one? It seems >to me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on. You do not need I couldnt agree more. That is how it SHOULD work. People should also ALWAYS see motorcycles too. I CONSTANTLY scan behind me (I have one of those wink mirrors) and two outside mirrors. I actually spend just as much time checking my six (cops you know). I still get caught off guard every now and then. Maybe I didnt word it right the first time. What I was trying to say was that if you plan to blow by somebody at a very HIGH speed differential and you assume you are safe because the guy sees you, you are stupid (of course, it depends on the circumstances). I have had some VERY scary instances when I assumed this and I dont think all of the fault was the other guy (now if he was going 25 in a 55 thats a whole different story) ";-1;0 "From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) Subject: Re: BMW battery Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 31 Keith Hanlan, on the Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:20:14 GMT wibbled: : In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes: : >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive, : >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns : >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer. : What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know : numerous people that are still using the original battery in there : 8-10 year old beemers. Kay, my '86 K100RS still has her original battery in. She's OK -- Nick (the Sufficiently Well Charged Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford M'Lud. ___ ___ ___ ___ {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 . _ _ _ __ . / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ |_______| [_______| _:_ |___| ";-1;0 "From: anik@crhc.uiuc.edu (Sadun Anik) Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing Lines: 45 <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lyra.crhc.uiuc.edu In-reply-to: reimert@.etdesg.trw.com's message of Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:34:28 GMT In article <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) writes: > Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a > multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc. I certainly haven't > seen this to be the case. There are seperate accounts for each person, > and even seperate directories if that is desired. I don't see an > implentation of simultaneuos use though. > > Scott It certainly is multi-user. What I have seen from the March Beta is that it doesn't yet come with the stuff which exploits multi-user features. I remember somebody from MS stating that it doesn't allow two users share one GUI. My interpretation of this was that one user per console but all the networking and RPC based stuff you want. I believe ftp and rlogin deamons for NT systems will come from third party. Somebody already has a Beta version of an unsecure ftpd on the net. There is no reason why one cannot write a posix based shell like csh on Unix for remote logins. In general I liked NT when I checked it out. It slow compared to Win3.1 (just like any other real OS). The beta version, although being slow, botts up much faster than my SUN workstation. Windows subsystems also start up a lot faster than X windows. I believe Bill Gates was right when he stated that NT was not for everybody. After playing around with it for a while I was convinced. If I owned a busines using a ""business computer"" from IBM or some other established vendor, I would consider moving to NT platform because it would provide a much cheaper solution (If you are running SQL servers etc.). It provides the robustness such an application requires. On the other hand if you like your DOS games, more or less forget about NT. You can always boot to DOS but in general that defeats the purpose of using NT. Most of NT's features are visible in a networked environment and in such an environment you can't reboot your machine at will. For personal use, I would rather wait for the Win32 based Windows release (whatever you name it) than jump to NT bandwagon. I expect most applications will keep on using Win16 until Win32 becomes widely available. -- Sadun Anik, U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Center for Reliable and High-performance Computing e-mail: anik@crhc.uiuc.edu ";-1;0 "From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) Subject: Re: Please Gentlemen Nntp-Posting-Host: birdie.i88.isc.com Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL Lines: 21 In article <5036@cvbnetPrime.COM> tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes: >In article <18843.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> grant.barkwell@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Grant Barkwell) writes: >> >>CP>Too my certain knowledge, simply posessing a motorcycle >>CP>can get you ""laid"". >> >>True! Oh so very thankfully true! > >Gentlemen; > > Please do us all a rather appropriate favor and excuse the >comments about your sexual fortunes on the net. It is hardly an Tod, I think you've misspoke. If they're banking on owning a motorcycle to get them laid, then I doubt they have sexual fortunes. Quite the reverse... -- Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 ""Gleep"" Naperville, IL __ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet, \/ followed by the words ""Daddy! Yay!"" ";-1;0 "From: hamish@cloud.apana.org.au (Hamish Moffatt) Subject: Re: Mouse on Com3OM3 or COM4 in Windows Organization: Cloud Nine BBS, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 53 jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) writes: > I am having a problem configuring the mouse in windows to use COM3 > with IRQ5. I don't believe IRQ5 is the problem. I tried a mouse on COM3, IRQ4 (the usual place) and it still did not like it. Simply, Windows seems to only support mice on COM1 or COM2. The funny part is, though, that Microsoft's own mouse driver (8.xx) was quite happy with my mouse sitting on COM3. Why can't Windows use the mouse driver, or at least support COM3? :-) > COM2Irq=3 > COM3Irq=5 > COM4Irq=7 > MaxComPort=4 I've tried this too. Actually, I wanted to be able to use my second modem (COM3/IRQ5) from Windows. It still will not talk to that modem. I created two profiles, AMSTRAD (for my Amstrad modem on COM1/IRQ4) and MAESTRO (for my Maestro on COM3/IRQ5). It will not talk to the Maestro at all. > (1,5106830617) that their driver does not support COM3 and COM4 in windows. > Their suggestion was that the 'MicroSoft or PS/2' setting in windows > setup would work. It does not. Nor here. (Windows 3.0). > I can not believe that it is not possible. At worst, you would need a special > version of 'a' mouse driver that looked at COM3 and COM4 instead of COM1 > and COM2. I know that IRQ5 and IRQ7 are normally printer port IRQs, but I I've seen nothing like that. I've experimented with Logitech's mouse driver too, with no sucess. > have no printers attached. A side note is that I would really like to assign > COM4 to some higher IRQ, because my SoundBlaster board uses IRQ7 (right now, > I'm not using COM4), but no modem that I know of allows settings other than > IRQs 2,3,4,5, and 7. If you have a SoundBlaster Pro, it should support IRQ10 as well. Finally, a board that supports IRQs >9. The only one I have (except my IDE controller). hamish Hamish Moffatt, hamish@cloud.apana.org.au APANA: The Australian Public Cloud Nine BBS, 3:635/552@fidonet Access Network Association. Melbourne Australia 58:4100/43@intlnet Mail info@apana.org.au Titanic Software. Voice: +61-3-803-1326 for information. ";-1;0 "From: lange@reg.triumf.ca (THREADING THE CANADIAN TAPESTRY) Subject: Detroit Playoff Tradition Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 11 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca Keywords: Octopi News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Way back in the early years (~50's) it took 8 wins to garner the Stanley Cup. Soooooo, a couple of local fish mongers (local to the Joe Louis Arena, that is) started the tradition of throwing an octopi onto the ice with every win. After each victory, one leg would be severed before the octopus found its way to the ice. (They are dead by the way.) It was a brilliant marketing strategy to shore up the demand for one of their least popular products. Hope this helps. J. Lange ";-1;0 "From: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) Subject: Re: $ 80 SVX OIL CHANGE Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarh28f Reply-To: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Distribution: na Lines: 24 In article , swdwan@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Donald Wan) writes: |> My friend brought a subaru SVX recently. I had drove it for couples times and I |> think its a great car, esp on snow. However when she took it to a local Subaru |> dealer for a oil change, the bill came out to be about 80 dollars. The dealer |> told us it is because to change the oil filter on a SVX it is necessary to |> disassemble a metal cover under the engine and that took an hour of labour. |> At first, we think we are being ripped off so she phone to a dealer in Toronto |> but found out the they are charging roughly the same price. So is there any |> SVX owner out there that has the same problem ? And if the oil change story is |> true, then the engineer of Subaru looks pretty stubid to me. By the way, the car |> looks great. |> Labour prices for car service are very expensive in Toronto compared to other parts of Ontario. For example, there are places in Ottawa that still charge ""only"" $40/hour. I've seen a couple of places charging $60/hour. The cheapest I've heard in Toronto is $70/hour. |> SWD Wan. |> -- Doug Zolmer Internet: dwjz@bnr.ca Disclaimer: My opinions only Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | Conform:- Moooo! ";-1;0 "From: fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) Subject: Re: Infield Fly Rule Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: keynes.econ.duke.edu In article <1qmrciINNoin@gap.caltech.edu> shippert@cco.caltech.edu (Tim Shippert) writes: [about the infield fly rule] >So, if he's feeling lucky, your runner at second can sprint for glory >as soon as the ball is popped up. If it isn't caught, he's probably scored >a run. If it is, he's probably headed for AAA. > Unless he's Deion Sanders, in which case he just heads back to the dugout and waits for his next base-running-blunder opportunity. -- @econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke.edu fls@econ.duke. s To my correspondents: My email has been changed. e l My new address is: fls@econ.duke.edu d f If mail bounces, try fls@raphael.acpub.duke.edu u ";-1;0 "From: afhetzel@netcom.com (A.F. Hetzel) Subject: Aviation Headset D.C. H10-40 For Sale Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 25 For Sale: David Clark H10-40 Aviation Headset Excellent Condition (not even a scratch) -- original packaging. Discover for yourself why the H10-40 continues to be the favorite headset of thousands of pilots. It was the first headset to have the advanced M-4 amplified electret microphone - with a frequency response specifically designed to match the human voice. Also includes durable universal boom assembly and a noise reduction rating (NRR) of 24dB. Weighs 19 oz. ** Includes Telex ""push to talk switch"" Asking $220.00 U.S. Shipping negotiable. For more information respond to: afhetzel@netcom.com (Andrew) -- Andrew F. Hetzel ""I complete less work before 9:00am than afhetzel@netcom.com most people do all day."" Ann Arbor, MI USA ";-1;0 "From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: > In article <1qg8bu$kl5@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon > Livesey) writes: > #And this ""objective morality"" is........? > > And here, children, we have a person playing the ""objective morality doesn't > exist, show me one"" game. You can play this with just about anything: > > And this ""objective medicine"" is.....? > And this ""objective physics"" is.....? > And this ""objective reality"" is.....? Precisely. There's no objective medicine; some people get marvellous results from alternative therapy, others only respond to traditional medicine. There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that. There's no objective reality. LSD should be sufficient to prove that. > One wonders just what people who ask such questions understand by the term > ""objective"", if anything. I consider it to be a useful fiction; an abstract ideal we can strive towards. Like an ideal gas or a light inextensible string, it doesn't actually exist; but we can talk about things as if they were like it, and not be too far wrong. mathew ";-1;0 "From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) Subject: Proton/Centaur? Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 9 Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? What would be the benefits and problems with such a combo (other than the obvious instability in the XSSR now)? /~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\ | ""I know you believe you understand what it is that you | | think I said. But I am not sure that you realize that | | what I said is not what I meant."" | ";2;1 "From: htanabe@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Tanabe) Subject: terminal software Article-I.D.: ponder.htanabe.734110579 Organization: University of North Texas Lines: 10 Please reply via EMail... When I use the terminal software for Windows such as TERMINAL.EXE or Crossttalk, it doesn't use the whole window. I mean, when the software's window size is max, it still scrolls around the 2/3 of window. It does not use whole window. I set ""stty rows 30"", but still the same. Scrolls at 2/3 from the top of the windows. Could anyone tell me how to setup these software to use whole window? Thanks in advance. ";6;1 "From: Mark W. Dubin Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Originator: dubin@spot.Colorado.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Reply-To: dubin@spot.colorado.edu Organization: Univ. of Colorado-Boulder Lines: 16 rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: >Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks >associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens >are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function >of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of >the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish >to know more. Thanks. I recall that the issue is that fat on the meat liquifies and then drips down onto the hot elements--whatever they are--that the extreme heat then catalyzes something in the fat into one or more carcinogens which then are carried back up onto the meat in the smoke. --the ol' professor ";4;1 "From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 48 In article <1993Apr15.231903.4045@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.200629.7200@alleg.edu> luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer writes: >> > >I'd be willing to make two wagers: >1) Snow doesn't win ROY. >2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years. > >I'm skeptical of the first, because I don't think Snow is that good a >player, and he is on a losing team. I don't have a history handy, but I don't recall that the preponderance of ROY's come from winning teams. In fact, I think team performance is generally irrelevant, as almost always the most deserving candidate wins. Am I wrong? And he is not necessarily on a losing team. While the Angels' staff is still very weak, their everyday lineup is doing quite well, thank you. Snow is playing great. Salmon is learning to make the adjustments. Easley appears fine, but even if he's not Flora is ready to come up. Between Gonzales and Gruber they'll manage the hot corner. Polonia and Curtis are steady and heady. Even Myers and Orton are contributing. Personally, I think they can finish over .500 which makes them a winning team. -- The Beastmaster > >I'm skeptical of the second because of his back. Mattingly is 32 this >year, and how many players play until they are 40? Not too many, and >most of them didn't have chronic back problems when they were 32. > >Could be wrong on either or both, but I think that's the smart way to >bet... > >Cheers, >-Valentine -- Mark Singer mss@netcom.com ";-1;0 "From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) Subject: Questioning Authority Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey Lines: 36 Chris Mussack writes: > For all those people who insist I question authority: Why? How about: The Holocaust The Spanish Inquisition Jonestown (just to name a few) ? Authorities sometimes tell people to do evil things. People who ""just follow orders"" have tortured and killed others in very large numbers, and protest their innocence afterwards. When your authority starts telling you to do things, you should ask questions. Except for situations of pressing need (""I said shut the hatch because the submarine is filling with water!""), any reasonable authority should be able to give at least some justification that you can understand. Just be sure to listen when authority answers. (If anybody is interested in questions of psychological pressure and following orders, you might want to read about a study done by Solomon Ashe in 1951 on conformity, and another done by Stanley Milgram in 1963 on obedience. Both should be in any good book on psychology/sociology. The results are both fascinating and terrifying.) Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu ""we do what we're told we do what we're told we do what we're told told to do"" -- Peter Gabriel ";-1;0 "From: ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu (Joni Ciarletta) Subject: Master Cylinder Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu Thanks to everyone who responded to my Honda Accord break question. It does seem that the master cylinder is bad. I will have my mechanic double check and be sure it isn't something simpler and cheaper first, but from your responses it sounds like it is very likely to be the master cylinder. Thanks everyone!! Joni ";-1;0 "From: dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor Organization: National Library of Medicine Lines: 21 In article <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: > >Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? >Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently >delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered >if anyone else had seen this. > As a followup, this is a co-worker's machine. He has the latest 2.03 drivers. It only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver. Sometimes it takes a minute or so for the cursor to wig out, but it eventually does in this mode. I susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants. I excluded a000-c7ff in the EMM386 line and in system.ini The problem persisted. Perhaps it is something specific to the Gateway machine or it's components. It is a 66mhz DX/2 Eisa bus with an Ultrastore (24xx?) controller. Ah well, I was hoping this was some kind of 'known problem' or somebody had seen it before. Perhaps a call to Gateway is in order, but I do find folks here usually are far more in the know. --Don Lindbergh dabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov ";-1;0 "From: eapu174@orion.oac.uci.edu (Wayne Chen) Subject: Re: Disappointed by La Cie Nntp-Posting-Host: dialin33626.slip.nts.uci.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 Organization: UC Irvine Lines: 6 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 05:56:22 GMT In article <2BC1F81D.20078@news.service.uci.edu> Wayne Chen, eapu174@orion.oac.uci.edu writes: > industry. After all it does sound unfair to me for someone that has ^^^^^^^^ Oops, I meant fair, not unfair. ";-1;0 "From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell) Organization: Florida State University Lines: 26 vic@mmalt.guild.org (Vic Kulikauskas) writes: > Our Moderator writes: > > > I'm inclined to read descriptions such as the lake of fire as > > indicating annihilation. However that's a minority view. > ... > > It's my personal view, but the only denominations I know of that hold > > it officially are the JW's and SDA's. > > I can't find the reference right now, but didn't C.S.Lewis speculate > somewhere that hell might be ""the state of once having been a human > soul""? Why is it that we have this notion that God takes some sort of pleasure from punishing people? The purpose of hell is to destroy the devil and his angels. To the earlier poster who tried to support the eternal hell theory with the fact that the fallen angels were not destroyed, remember the Bible teaches that God has reserved them until the day of judgement. Their judgement is soon to come. Let me suggest this. Maybe those who believe in the eternal hell theory should provide all the biblical evidence they can find for it. Stay away from human theories, and only take into account references in the bible. Darius ";-1;0 "From: stephen@access.digex.com (stephen balbach) Subject: SLS Linux for sale disk/tape Organization: Taylor Balbach Software, Columbia, MD USA Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: linux sls Since I have some free time while looking for a job I thought I would offer Linux on disk and tape for those who need it. NOTE: I am offering this service for EXPERIENCED users who require no support. Simply put I am just a disk shuffler. If you think you will need support I HIGHLY recommend Softlanding Linux System (SLS) directly. They provide an excellent product at a decent price with support. I am the lazy mans service, for those who don't want to spend 4 hours on the modem and 2 hours shuffling floppies. And those who don't need SLS support and opt to go it alone. What you get... each disk is $1.50(5.25) $1.75(3.5) (14 disk minimum). A Minimal System : 4 Disks 6.00/7.00 B Base System Extras : 7 Disks 10.50/12.25 C Compilers : 3 Disks 4.50/5.25 D Documentation : 2 Disks 3.00/3.50 S Source, misc. : 1 Disk 1.50/1.75 T TeX : 3 Disks 4.50/5.25 X X-Windows : 8 Disks 12.00/14.00 Entire set %5 discount: 40.00/46.50 or the entire set on QC-40 tape for 40.00 Send check or money order Stephen Balbach 5437 Enberend Terrace Columbia, MD 21045 send e-mail so I can have it ready sooner -> stephen@access.digex.com ";8;1 "From: pauls@trsvax.tandy.com Subject: Re: Need Info on DSP project Nf-ID: #R:ee.ualberta.ca:735344986:trsvax:288200082:000:164 Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls Apr 21 09:31:00 1993 Lines: 6 Motorola has a good app note on a 10 band equalizer using a 56000 DSP. It could be easily ported to an Ariel board, or even a Turtle Beach 56K development system. ";-1;0 "From: zia@castle.ed.ac.uk (Zia Manji) Subject: HELP PLEASE - Hand Scanner Problem Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 29 IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CAERE TYPIST PLUS GRAPHICS HAND SCANNER, PLEASE READ ON AND SAVE MY LIFE......... My problem is that my Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner will not connect to my PowerBook 160. The cable from the scanner will not fit the SCSI port of the computer. I managed to gaet a cabled assembled that adapted the cord to the computer. However, this placed the computer into SCSI mode, that is it acted as an external hard disk whenever i switched the computer on. I've asked an engineer in London to assemble a new Cable for me. But he's taken 14 weeks and has yet to find the solution, out of sheer laziness. And I know that a cable exists to solve the problem. If you know the solution. Please let me know what cable I need and how I can get hold of one. My E-Mail address is : zia@uk.ac.ed.castle I will be truely grateful for all your help. Thanking you in advance, Zia. ";0;1 "From: Andrew Zelenetz Subject: Centris 610 Video Problem-HELP Organization: Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: zelenetz.ski.mskcc.org X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 16:05:44 GMT We have recently obtained a Centris 610 and it has developed an unusual video problem. Model: 610 with 8 MB/230 HD, 512K VRAM, no cards Monitor: Apple 16"" When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done, particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple monitor with 256 colors is used. I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse. We were wondering if anyone has seen anything like this, and if so, how to fix it. Please also respond to azelenet@bigmac.mskcc.org. Thank you for your help. Andrew Zelenetz Molecular Biology Program Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center ";-1;0 "From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Magellan Update - 04/16/93 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Magellan, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Forwarded from Doug Griffith, Magellan Project Manager MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT April 16, 1993 1. The Magellan mission at Venus continues normally, gathering gravity data which provides measurement of density variations in the upper mantle which can be correlated to surface topography. Spacecraft performance is nominal. 2. Magellan has completed 7225 orbits of Venus and is now 39 days from the end of Cycle-4 and the start of the Transition Experiment. 3. No significant activities are expected next week, as preparations for aerobraking continue on schedule. 4. On Monday morning, April 19, the moon will occult Venus and interrupt the tracking of Magellan for about 68 minutes. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. ";-1;0 "From: mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Holloway) Subject: Transplant Recipients Newsletter, April `93[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[DInternational Newsletter, April `93 Nntp-Posting-Host: engws5.ic.sunysb.edu Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 180 This will be the first of monthly postings of the newsletter of the Long Island Chapter of the Transplant Recipients International Organization (TRIO). Unfortunately, I was unable to post it before the date of this month's meeting. I'm posting it anyway, and posting it world-wide instead of regional, in the hopes that some of the information may be useful or illustrative. Also, I hope it can be used as an example and inspiration for the posting of other newsletters and data related to organ transplantation and donation. Mike Transplant Recipients International Organization Long Island Chapter P.O. Box 922 Huntington, NY 11743-0922 NEWSLETTER 516/421-3258 APRIL 1993 VOLUME IV No. 8 NEXT MEETING The next meeting is WEDNESDAY APRIL 14 at 8 pm at the Knights of Columbus Emerald Manor, 517 Uniondale Avenue in Uniondale. Our guest speaker will be Dr. Lewis Teperman. Dr. Teperman trained in Pittsburgh under Dr. Starzl and is now the Assistant Director of the Liver Transplant Program at New York University Medical Center. Dr. Teperman will discuss current trends in transplantation and treatment and will answer questions. He is a long time friend of TRIO, surgeon to many of our members, and always a gracious and delightful guest. It is sure to be a very informative, interesting and engaging evening. Our hospitality committee, Bette and Vito Suglia and Jim Spence will be well prepared, and at last the weather should be cooperative. We hope to see a very large gathering to welcome Dr. Teperman. WEDNESDAY APRIL 14 K of C UNIONDALE LAST MEETING It has been noted here before that the Long Island Chapter of TRIO has extraordinary power in predicting bad weather, being able to forecast rain, sleet and snow fully a month in advance. No TV weatherman can match us. This time we not only scored again, but we were also able to disable the Long Island Railroad, making travel REALLY difficult. None the less, many braved the snow and we had an interesting meeting and good conversation. Our scheduled speaker, Mrs. Elizabeth Linnehan, a professional nutritionist, had a family emergency and was not able to attend. She hope she will be with us in the fall to discuss diet and medications. However, Ms. Jennifer Friedman, an image consultant and sister of a liver transplant recipient was kind enough to step in on very short notice. Ms. Friedman gave us a lot of good advice about choosing clothes and makeup, (even a bit for men) to help us look well and healthy and to minimize some of the cosmetic effects of some of the medicine and drugs we take. We are most grateful to Jennifer and thank her for an entertaining evening. ANNUAL MEETING In addition to welcoming Dr. Teperman, the April meeting is also the Annual meeting of the Chapter. This is the official notice of the meeting as required by our By-Laws. The main purpose of the meeting is to review the past year, solicit member views and ideas for better ways to meet their needs, and to elect members of the Board of Directors for the coming two year term. The nominating committee has prepared the following slate for the Board. Anne (Liver Recipient) and Don Treffeisen Robert (Heart Recipient) and Eulene Smith Vito (Kidney Recipient) and Bette Suglia Kay Grenzig (Liver Recipient) Jan Schichtel (Kidney Recipient) Larry Juliano (Kidney Recipient) David Bekofsky (Director Public Education LITP) Those remaining on the Board for another year are: Robert Carroll (Liver, Kidney & Pancreas Recipient) Jerry (Kidney Recipient) and Jeanne Eichhorn Ron (Kidney Donor) and Marie Healy Peter Smith (Bone Marrow Recipient) Patricia Ann Yankus (Kidney and Pancreas Recipient) Walter Ruzak (Kidney Recipient) This may seem to be a big Board, but many hands make light work and with our various medical uncertainties, it is good to have backups for all the jobs on the Board. Therefore, in addition to the slate being presented for voting, nominations will also be accepted from the floor. There is no set number of Board members and there is plenty of work. In addition, brief treasurer's and membership reports will be given and the floor will be open for any new business, suggestions, or comments anyone would like to bring up. We will keep the formal meeting short so that we can spend the majority of the time with Dr. Teperman. FUTURE MEETINGS Remember the scheduled guests for the rest of the year. May 12 Dr. Peter Shaprio, Chief of Psychiatry Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center June 9 Dr. Felix Rappaport, Director of the Stony Brook Kidney Transplant Program. Plan on being with us the second Wednesday of each month. NOTDAW The week of April 18-24 is National Organ and Tissue Donor Awareness Week. NOTDAW. While we are planning news releases, speaking engagements and meetings with Supervisors Gullata and Gaffney, we have decided not to have our softball game because of two year's experience with miserable weather. We all can help spread the word on donor awareness, however. We have found it effective to ask your pastor, or rabbi to publish a letter or announcement in the parish bulletin, allow you to address the congregation, or include mention of the gift of life in his sermon. Attached to this Newsletter is a sample letter and fact sheet you can use. Thank you. DR. STARZL TO BE HONORED The Long Island Chapter of the American Liver Foundation will hold its annual Auction and Dinner Dance on May 7th at the Fountainbleu on Jericho Turnpike in Jericho. Dr. Thomas Starzl will be the honored guest. Tickets are $50 person and are going fast. If you'd like to meet Dr. Starzl, call Anne Treffeisen at (516) 421-3258 for details. MEMBERSHIP NEWS Congratulations to Al Reese. Al received his heart transplant in Pittsburgh after waiting 3 1/2 years. He is home and doing well after only 12 days in hospital. Arthur Michaels, liver recipient, is planning to run the Boston Marathon in April. What fantastic proof that transplantation works! We hope the national press notices. Bob McCormack, after a persistent bout with infection, had his transplanted kidney removed. He is home now, back on dialysis and feeling better. Nicole Healy, kidney recipient and daughter of Ron and Marie, spent the past several weeks in hospital in Miami with problems encountered on vacation. Marie has been with her in Florida. They are back in New York where Nicole's treatment will continue. We wish Nicole a speedy recovery. Kay Grenzig, liver recipient, is mending now after a bad fall that resulted in a broken arm and a broken leg. Kay is a candidate for the Board so we need her well soon. And best wishes to all coming out of the flu. It was a tough winter for many, but the tulips are just under the snow. SEE YOU......WEDNESDAY APRIL 14 8 PM K of C UNIONDALE DR. LEWIS TEPERMAN ";-1;0 "From: Dave Dal Farra Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>> X-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 14:15:17 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm41a Organization: BNR Ltd. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 Lines: 49 In article <1993Apr20.045032.9199@research.nj.nec.com> Chris BeHanna, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com writes: >In article <1993Apr19.204159.17534@bnr.ca> Dave Dal Farra writes: >>Reminds me of a great editorial by Bruce Reeve a couple months ago >>in Cycle Canada. >> >>He was so pissed off with cops pulling over speeders in dangerous >>spots (and often blind corners) that one day he decided to get >>revenge. >> >>Cruising on a factory loaner ZZR1100 test bike, he noticed a cop >>had pulled over a motorist on an on or off ramp with almost no >>shoulder. Being a bright lad, he hit his bike's kill switch >>just before passing the cop, who happened to be bending towards >>the offending motorist there-by exposing his glutes to the >>passing world. >> >>With his ignition system now dead, he pumped his throtle two >>or three times to fill his exhaust canister's with volatile raw fuel. >> >>All it took was a stab at the kill switch to re-light the ignition >>and send a 10' flame in Sargeant Swell's direction. >> >>I wonder if any cycle cops read Cycle Canada? > > Although I agree with the spirit of the action, I do hope that >the rider ponied up the $800 or so it takes to replace the exhaust system >he just destroyed. The owner's manual explicitly warns against such >behavior for exactly that reason: you can destroy your muflers that way. > >Later, >-- >Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady >behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike >Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name >agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. Ya, Fat Chance. The ""offending"" rider was a moto journalist. Those guys can sell hundreds of bikes with one stroke of the pen and as such get away with murder when it comes to test bikes. One way or the other, it was probably worth the early expiration of one mufler to see a bone head get his butt baked. Dave D.F. ""It's true they say that money talks. When mine spoke it said 'Buy me a Drink!'."" ";-1;0 "From: st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) Subject: Re: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50 Organization: University of Houston Lines: 26 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu Keywords: Motorola, FPU, 68882, 68030, 33/50 MHz, problems (FPU exception) News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <16APR199323531467@rosie.uh.edu>, st1my@rosie.uh.edu (Stich, Christian E.) writes... >I just installed a Motorola XC68882RC50 FPU in an Amiga A2630 board (25 MHz >68030 + 68882 with capability to clock the FPU separately). Previously >a MC68882RC25 was installed and everything was working perfectly. Now the >systems displays a yellow screen (indicating a exception) when it check for >the presence/type of FPU. When I reinstall an MC68882RC25 the system works >fine, but with the XC68882 even at 25 MHz it does not work. The designer >of the board mentioned that putting a pullup resistor on data_strobe (470 Ohm) >might help, but that didn't change anything. Does anybody have some >suggestions what I could do? Does this look like a CPU-FPU communications >problem or is the particular chip dead (it is a pull, not new)? >Moreover, the place I bought it from is sending me an XC68882RC33. I thought >that the 68882RC33 were labeled MC not XC (for not finalized mask design). >Are there any MC68882RC33? > >Thanks > Christian > It appears as if the problem is related to the 68882/50's need for very fast (and clean) signal transitions. I got some email (Vielen Dank, Thomas) stating that Motorola provides a solution for this problem in their 68030 manual. Since my manual (1989) predates the 50 MHz 68030/68882s I couldn't find it. Could someone please email me the specifics? Thanks Christian ";-1;0 "From: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Subject: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events Reply-To: buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST Lines: 18 (2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered) Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler that handles ""regular"" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven exposures) take care of rendering the new image. Using an expose event handler is a ""proper"" way to do this because at the time the handler is called, the Xlib Window is guaranteed to be mapped. The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window is already visible and mapped. What we need to do is somehow ""tickle"" the Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item. What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior? ";-1;0 "From: simsh@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Hillel Y. Sims) Subject: what size vram simm is this? Nntp-Posting-Host: aix02.ecs.rpi.edu Lines: 20 Hi everyone. I recently posted about how I received a bad vram chip for my new LCIII, and someone responded that it may not actually be bad, but it may be a 512K LC vram chip, and thus doesn't work properly with my computer. So I'm wondering if anyone can interpret these codes for me, so I can figure out what type of chip MacConnection sent me. Each chip says: M518121A-80J 2515251 On the back of the card, it says 0593 I believe from the numbers that means it is an 80ns chip, but I can't figure out what the size is supposed to be. If anyone can help, I'd be grateful. Please email me your response. Thanks a lot! -- Hillel Sims ----- simsh@rpi.edu ----- Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute ""Is rot13 rotated 13 forward or backward?"" --Anonymous ";-1;0 "From: gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 25 nhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Neal Patrick Howland) writes: > >From what I understand about radar dectectors all they are is a passive >device much like the radio in your car. They work as an antenna picking >up that radar signals that the radar gun sends out. Therefore there would >be no way of detecting a radar detector any more than there would be of >detecting whether some one had a radio in their car. > Unfortunately, you're wrong on both counts. The most common method of implementing a tunable receiver is to have a local oscillator. The local oscillator's frequency can be radiated out of the receiver via the antenna unless the circuit is designed and constructed with great care. For a reference on detecting radios, get the paperback book _Spy Catcher_. The author discovered how to detect radio receivers from their local oscillator emissions back in the *1950s* while he worked for British Intelligence. -Greg -- ::::::::::::::::::: Greg Andrews gerg@netcom.com ::::::::::::::::::: Fortune Cookie: Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ";-1;0 "From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: > > >Polish and Jewish are *not* mutually exclusive. I didn't mean to offend or anything, I'm just quoting Stanky himself on the subject. I remember one time last year he was being interviewed by ESPN, and the interviewer (can't remember who), asked Stanky if he was Jewish because he (the interviewer) was Jewish and wanted to see more Jewish ballplayers. To which Stanky replied, ""I'm Polish, not Jewish."" So maybe that wasn't the most PC thing for Stanky to say, and maybe I was a little naive when I posted it. I think we should just devote this subject to finding actual Jewish ballplayers (I myself am Jewish and the only ones I ever knew until now were Koufax, Greenberg, and Blomberg). -Alan ";-1;0 "From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 16 In article <7020.Apr2207.05.3993@silverton.berkeley.edu>, djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes: > In article <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: > > And key size is one of the things that can be > > verified externally. > > Gee. Say they feed the 80-bit key through Snefru-8 and take the first 60 > bits of the result, then use those 60 bits as the real key. How do you > figure out that each key is one of 2^20 ``equal'' keys? You can try a > birthday attack, but if the key can be changed only once a second then > you will need several lifetimes to get reliable statistics. You're right, and I retract the suggestion. Still, I wonder. That there are only 60 bits of key information should, in principle, be detectable. Maybe some variant of the tests Rivest et al. did to demonstrate that DES was probably not a group? It should make an interesting paper -- a black-box analysis of a cryptosystem. ";-1;0 "From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) Subject: Re: Capital Gains tax increase ""loses"" money Distribution: na Organization: ACME Products Lines: 70 In article , eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes: > In <1993Apr15.045651.6892@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu sez: >>In article <1993Apr14.135227.8579@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: >>> >>> No, I'm saying any long term investor (the ones likely to have large >>>capital gains) would be foolish to sell in order to avoid a tax hike that a) >>>might disappear in any given year and b) be overcome in a year or two by >>>accumlated gains. >> >>To which my response is--so what? Not all people who pay capital gains >>taxes are long term investors. More than enough of them aren't for there >>to be huge blip whenever capital gains taxes get raised. >> I never said that *everyone* would find this advantageous. I said that >>more than enough would for the result to be readily noticeable and distort >>""trends"". > > Even if Brett's eventual-return figures were correct -- and they > clearly weren't -- he'd still be wrong about the cause for the '86 > blip because he fails to consider 2 basic factors: You misunderstand. I'm not trying to prove a *cause* for anything. Merely pointing out that Ted's assertion that the ""blip"" in revenues was ""caused"" by selling to avoid the tax can't be proven. > 1) As Ted notes, not everyone is a long-term investor. One might find > oneself, as I did in late 1986, anticipating expenses in the near term > that require selling off holdings. Given the choice between waiting a > few weeks (and taking an extra tax hit) or selling in December with > preferential tax treatment, only a fool would choose the former. Not disputed. > 2) The fact that Brett can now construct _post hoc_ calculations of > what would have been more beneficial to investors is in many respects > beside the point. There was plenty of _Money_-style advice given to > unsophisticated investors in late 1986 to ""sell now and save on > taxes."" In case anyone missed it, there was no shortage of similar > advice late last year (in the NYTimes, e.g.), even though that advice > was based not on the foregone conclusion of enacted law (as in 1986), > but merely on the *assumption* that Clinton would raise tax rates > (without capping CG taxes, contrary to the current proposal). It works for any situation. If you believe the market is going up, don't sell. If believe it's not, sell. But then you'd be selling anyways, wouldn't you? So where is the evidence that a large number of people suddenly decided that the higher taxes meant they should sell before the year was out? There isn't any. Ted's saying that the increase over the previous year is ""proof"" of that proposition, but I'm saying you can't know that the trend of increasing capital gains revenues wouldn't account for a lot of that increase. 1986 was the height of the housing boom, remember. People were ""trading up"" like mad. > It's nice to think that investors always behave in their optimal > economic interest. Like assuming weightless ropes and frictionless > pulleys, though, this sort of thinking often fails to describe > accurately what happens in the real world. Indeed. Brett ________________________________________________________________________________ ""There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction."" Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert. ";-1;0 "From: clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge) Subject: What we can learn from the Waco wackos Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Distribution: usa Lines: 34 There are actually a few important things we can glean from this mess: 1) When they start getting desperate for an answer to the question: ""What's it all about. Mr. Natural?"", pinkboys will buy darn near *anything*, which means: 2) There's still plenty of $$$$ to be made in the False Jesus business by enterprising SubGenii. Just remember that: 3) Once you've separated the pinks from their green, don't blow it all on automatic weapons from Mexico. Put it in a Swiss bank account. Smile a lot. Have your flunkies hand out flowers in airports. The Con will just shrug you off as long as: 4) You never, never, NEVER start to believe your own bulldada! If ""David Koresh"" hand't started swallowing his own ""apocalypso now"" crap, he'd be working crossword puzzles in the Bahamas today instead of contributing to the mulch layer in Waco. This is because: 5) When you start shooting at cops, they're likely to shoot back. And most of 'em are better shots than you are. In short: - P.T. Barnum was right and - Stupidity is self-correcting Thus endeth the lesson. ************************************************************ * The_Doge of South St. Louis * * Dobbs-Approved Media Conspirator(tm) * * ""One Step Beyond"" -- Sundays, 3 to 5 pm * * 88.1 FM St. Louis Community Radio * * ""You'll pay to know what you *really* think!"" * * -- J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs"" * ************************************************************ ";-1;0 "From: curry@doe.carleton.ca (Simon Curry) Subject: House for Sale, Mediterranean Coast Spain Summary: House for Sale in Javea, Alicante, Spain Keywords: House, seaside,Spain Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University Lines: 35 Mediterranean Investment property for Sale ------------------------------------------ Javea, Alicante Spain (Costa Blanca) Villa on a large lot in the wooded (pine) hills ""above the noise"". 2 bedrooms, living-dining room + glassed-in sun-porch; kitchen & bathroom. Large lot surrounded by traditional white wall with wrought iron gates: room for an in-ground pool. 2 minutes from the sea and supermarket; 10 minutes from town and full amenities. Area has specially favourable microclimate, mentioned in a WHO climate report. Seat (Fiat) runabout Car, 3 years old may be included, in the deal. Ideal for retirement or as a family holiday resort. Must sell for family reasons. Asking $150,000. Reply by EMAIL or call Canada (613)591-0507 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Simon Curry, Executive Director Tele: (613)991-9001 The Royal Society of Canada Fax: (613)991-6996 PO Box 9734, Ottawa K1G 5J4 Email: curry@doe.carleton.ca -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Simon Curry Tele: (613)991-9001 The Royal Society of Canada Fax: (613)991-6996 PO Box 9734, Ottawa K1G 5J4 Email: curry@doe.carleton.ca ";8;1 "From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) Subject: Brown University Ordered To Restore Two Women's Varsity Teams Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 Lines: 49 I found this press release from Trial Lawyers for Public Justice on another system, and thought it would be of interest on campuses where the administration or the athletics department wants to eliminate the women's ice hockey team. Women Athletes, TLP Win Sex Discrimination Ruling: Brown University Ordered to Restore Two Women's Varsity Teams To: National Desk, Sports Writer Contact: Lynette Labinger, 401-421-9794, home 401-274-7507, or Ray Marcaccio, 401-831-8900, both of Trial Lawyers For Public Justice WASHINGTON, April 16 -- The U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit in Boston has upheld a U.S. District Court order requiring Brown University to immediately reinstate its women's gymnastics and volleyball teams to full varsity status. The ruling in Cohen et al. v. Brown University is the first appeals court decision in the nation applying Title IX to intercollegiate athletics. Trial Lawyers for Public Justice (TLPJ), is the national public interest law firm representing the women athletes. ""This ruling makes clear what we have said all along -- if a school wants to eliminate teams before women have their fair share of opportunities to participate, they can only eliminiate men's teams,"" said TLPJ Executive Director Arthur Bryant, co-counsel in the case. The class action, filed April, 1992, charged Brown with violating Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination by all educational institutions receiving federal funds. Brown terminated the two women's teams as university-funded sports in May 1991, allowing them to continue to compete against varsity teams if they could raise their own funds for uniforms, travel, coaches, and all other expenses. They had also been denied admission preferences for use in recruiting new members. ""This is a major victory for women and the cause of equal rights,"" said TLPJ lead counsel Lynette Labinger of Providence's Roney & Labinger. ""Universities across America need to reevaluate their programs quickly. Title IX is the law and it's going to be enforced."" Three similar Title IX appeals await decision. Colorado State University, Indiana University of Pennsylvania (IUP), and Colgate University are asking federal appeals courts to overturn court orders requiring them to reinstate or establish specific women's varsity teams. Continuing its cutting-edge Title IX activities, TLPJ is representing women athletes at IUP. In addition to Labinger and Bryant, TLPJ's legal team included: Ray Marcaccio of Blish & Cavanagh and Amato DeLuca of Mandell, DeLuca & Schwartz in Providence; and Sandra Duggan of Philadelphia. The National Women's Law Center, Women's Sports Foundation, and National Association for Girls and Women in Sports filed an amicus brief in support of TLPJ's appeal. -30- ";-1;0 "From: small@tornado.seas.ucla.edu (James F. Small) Subject: Re: Here's to the assholes Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA Lines: 26 In article you rambled on about: )In article <9953@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> small@thunder.seas.ucla.edu (James F. Small) writes: )> Here's to the 3 asshole scooter owners who TRIPLE PARKED behind my )> bike today. ) )Jim calling other prople assholes, what's next? ^^^^^^ If you're going to flame, learn to spell. )Besides, assholeism is endemic to the two-wheeled motoring community. Why I do believe that Jason, the wise, respected (hahahha), has just made a stereotypical remark. How unsophisticated of you. I'm so sorry you had to come out of your ivory tower and stoop (as you would say), to my , obviously, lower level. Besides, geekism is endemic to the albino-phoosball playing community (and those who drive volvos) Remember ,send your flames to jrobbins@cs.ucla.edu -- I need what a formal education can not provide. --- DoD# 2024 ";-1;0 "From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 71 I have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode'd GIF images contain charts outlining one of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in Crystal City. Mr. Mark Holderman works down the hall from me, and can be reached for comment at (713) 483-1317, or via e-mail at mholderm@jscprofs.nasa.gov. Mark proposed this design, which he calls ""Geode"" (""rough on the outside, but a gem on the inside"") or the ""ET Strongback with integrated hab modules and centrifuge."" As you can see from file geodeA.gif, it uses a Space Shuttle External Tank (ET) in place of much of the truss which is currently part of Space Station Freedom. The white track on the outside of the ET is used by the Station Remonte Manipulator System (SRMS) and by the Reaction Control System (RCS) pod. This allows the RCS pod to move along the track so that thrusting can occur near the center of gravity (CG) of the Station as the mass properties of the Station change during assembly. The inline module design allows the Shuttle to dock more easily because it can approach closer to the Station's CG and at a structurally strong part of the Station. In the current SSF design, docking forces are limited to 400 pounds, which seriously constrains the design of the docking system. The ET would have a hatch installed pre-flight, with little additional launch mass. We've always had the ability to put an ET into orbit (contrary to some rumors which have circulated here), but we've never had a reason to do it, while we have had some good reasons not to (performance penalties, control, debris generation, and eventual de-orbit and impact footprint). Once on-orbit, we would vent the residual H2. The ET insulation (SOFI) either a) erodes on-orbit from impact with atomic Oxygen, or b) stays where it is, and we deploy a Kevlar sheath around it to protect it and keep it from contaminating the local space environment. Option b) has the advantage of providing further micrometeor protection. The ET is incredibly strong (remember, it supports the whole stack during launch), and could serve as the nucleus for a much more ambitious design as budget permits. The white module at the end of ET contains a set of Control Moment Gyros to be used for attitude control, while the RCS will be used for gyro desaturation. The module also contains a de-orbit system which can be used at the end of the Station's life to perform a controlled de-orbit (so we don't kill any more kangaroos, like we did with Skylab). The centrifuge, which has the same volume as a hab module, could be used for long-term studies of the effects of lunar or martian gravity on humans. The centrifuge will be used as a momentum storage device for the whole attitude control system. The centrifuge is mounted on one of the modules, opposite the ET and the solar panels. This design uses most of the existing SSF designs for electrical, data and communication systems, getting leverage from the SSF work done to date. Mark proposed this design at Joe Shea's committee in Crystal City, and he reports that he was warmly received. However, the rumors I hear say that a design based on a wingless Space Shuttle Orbiter seems more likely. Please note that this text is my interpretation of Mark's design; you should see his notes in the GIF files. Instead of posting a 2 MB file to sci.space, I tried to post these for anon-FTP in ames.arc.nasa.gov, but it was out of storage space. I'll let you all know when I get that done. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 ""...Development of the space station is as inevitable as the rising of the sun."" -- Wernher von Braun ";2;1 "From: kja@watson.ibm.com ( Kenneth J. Arbeitman) Subject: Missing subject header Reply-To: kja@bones.fishkill.ibm.com ( Kenneth J. Arbeitman) Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: bones.fishkill.ibm.com Organization: IBM East Fishkill Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? Lines: 39 In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: |> Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. |> |> For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game, |> |> With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed |> hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers. That's because Lankford had a minor injury from a couple of games before that and was day-to-day... only available as a pinchrunner. |> |> Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts |> lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis |> Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell |> is he thinking. See above. |> |> Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented |> how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a |> regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said |> he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year, |> what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every |> team in the league. |> At the beginning of the interview Torre also said Lankford is the one outfield guy who's ""in there no matter what"". My guess is Jordan will eventually end up being odd man out due to low on base percentage. Whiten was a great acquisition... decent offense and great defense in rightfield. But don't worry, Gilkey will be starting as soon as Jordan or Whiten displays an extended period of low offensive output. ";-1;0 "From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) Subject: Re: MGBs and the real world Article-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.035544.16865 Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr5.181056.29411@mks.com> mike@mks.com (Mike Brookbank) writes: >My sister has an MGB. She has one from the last year they were produced >(1978? 1979?). Its in very good shape. I've been bugging her for years >about selling it. I've said over and over that she should sell it >before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may >actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability. > Grass Roots Motorsport [3/93] has a long article about MG/B's this month. As far as collectivity/speculation is concerned they think it is a waste of time, especially the later rubber bumpered models are the least desirable, a 1962 original model the most. The reasons for its low value are easy availability and the fact that it just was not a very good car. Craig >Which one of us is right? Are there MGB affectionados out there who are >still willing to pay $6K to 8K for an old MG? Are there a lot out in the >market? >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Mike Brookbank, |MKS| 35 King St. North mike@mks.com >Director, InterOpen Sales, |MKT| Waterloo, Ontario (519)884-2251 >Mortice Kern Systems Inc. |MKS| Canada, N2J 2W9 fax (519)884-8861 ";10;1 "From: tomgift@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Gift) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 28 steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) writes: >> Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. >> Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. >oh, i see. electricity is a natural right & our wonderful government >would -never- cut off the power to the people they were besieging. >are you really this dumb, or just acting like it for the sake of >argument? >jason No, they didn't have electrical power, but no, I don't find the idea of Davidians calmly cooking lunch with gas masks on as the FBI knocks the buildings down very credible,either. It's not like this whole discussion is relevant. It started when some- one made the wholly unsubstantiated allegation that the wood stove ig- nited NAPALM the FBI shot into the buildings. I'm not a groveling apoligist for the feds, far from it. But wild ac- cusations like this are ridiculous and obfuscate legitimate criticism of their conduct in this whole affair. Tom Gift tomgift@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ";3;1 "From: mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson) Subject: UPDATE: Hard Drive, VGA, etc. Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc. X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 36 [ Article crossposted from misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone ] [ Author was Mark Wilson ] [ Posted on Fri, 16 Apr 1993 13:18:42 GMT ] UPDATE (""for sale"" items): (All plus shipping) 1. CORE 72Mb Hard drive, model AT72, works fine, 5 1/4"" full-height, reduced to $90 2. MFM controller for the above, would like to sell with above, have $15 asking price, but will sell with #1 above for $100 combined. 3. AT-style case $10 (in process of selling) 4. VGA card, 512K, now asking $25 5. 386 Max, version 6.0, now asking $25 Please email mark@ocsmd.ocs.com or use phone #s below. - Mark -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: harrij@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Jonathan Conrad Harriman) Subject: Top of the line JVC portable disc player for sale Summary: JVC portable disc player Keywords: JVC, jvc, portable cd player, cd, cd player Nntp-Posting-Host: rebecca.its.rpi.edu Lines: 29 I have used JVC's top of the line portable cd player for three months now. I have mostly used it in my car on long trips, so it has less than 20 hours of use on it. The unit is one of the best that I have seen and listened to, but I am going to part with it to install a disc changer in my car. Features include: 17 Hz - 20,000 Hz rechargeable nicad batteries wireless remote control AC adaptor headphones carrying belt and case digital 6 band graphic eq with spectrum analyzer 25 presets, 5 user programmable RCA connections and cord JVC compulink capability (cord included) programmable from remote intro, random, repeat playback I will include a Discwasher (tm) power converter to convert an automobile's 12v DC to the 5.5V DC that the unit requires. I had to buy this one because it was the only one that fits, (JVC makes a unique connection that cannot be found at Radio Shack etc). I paid $235 for the disc player and another $30 for the power converter. I will sell the disc player alone for $180, or both items for $190. Send replies to harrij@rpi.edu or (518)271-7942 -Jon ";-1;0 "From: ks@n8pph52.nt.com (Kamlesh Shah) Subject: Question on Motif Diaog Shell Widget under vuewm... Organization: bnr Distribution: usa Lines: 16 Dear netters, I have noticed something rather weared (I think) about creating a dialog shell widget while running HP Vue's vuewm. For some reason, every time I create a dialog shell the foreground and backgroun d colors are different compared to my toplevel shell. I am not doing anything special/different. Does any body know anything about this problem?? How to fix it without hardcodin g the colors ? Please respond to kamlesh@salzo.cary.nc.usa .... Thanks ! -Kamlesh ";-1;0 "From: uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 44 In article schneier@chinet.chi.il.us (Bruce Schneier) writes: >In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: >> >>Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable >>one: Make it voluntary. >> >>That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree >>to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own. >> > >As long as ""you are on your own"" means that you can use your own encryption, >I'm sold. > >Bruce As am I If ""high quality secure NSA classified technology"" means handing my key over to whomever, I'll take PGP any day. Right now they are billing it as voluntary, i.e. bend over, here it comes. As soon as enough Wiretap chip based units are out there, how much easier do you think it will be to redefine ""on your own"" to mean write it yourself and don't even THINK about distributing it...? Get honest, no one is going to buy this trash if they KNOW it's compromised already, and less will buy it if the algorithm is not disclosed. The NSA knows that making this stuff available to the public means handing it to whatever foreign powers are interested in the process. Since when has export control stopped anyone (especially software wise) Ask yourself carefully if "" high quality secure NSA classified technology "" is something they are going to hand out. Not unless you can drive a NSA van through the holes. uni (Dark) -- uni@acs.bu.edu -> Public Keys by finger and/or request Public Key Archives at DF610670F2467B99 97DE2B5C3749148C Sovereignty is the sign of a brutal past. Cryptography is not a crime. Fight the Big Brother Proposal! ";-1;0 "From: eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) In-Reply-To: mjr@tis.com's message of 21 Apr 1993 21:28:13 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: spectre.mitre.org Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA. <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> <1993Apr21.001230.26384@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> <1r4e9d$pdo@sol.TIS.COM> Lines: 19 Don't get fooled by exponents 2^80 (possible keys) is not in the same league with 10^80 (particles in the universe). 2^80 < 10^25. Remember Avagadro's number? There are about that many elementary particles (not molecules) in one mole. Pretty small universe! Or if you can put 5 Gigabytes on one tape, you would need about 10 trillion tapes (allowing several bytes per entry). Still more than all of the existing magnetic media on the planet, but wait a few years. (I'm including existing audio and video cassettes in the total. Ten trillion is about 2,000 per person worldwide... Gives new meaning to the suspicions of hiden messages.) -- Robert I. Eachus with Standard_Disclaimer; use Standard_Disclaimer; function Message (Text: in Clever_Ideas) return Better_Ideas is... ";-1;0 "From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) Subject: Re: Hard drive security Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ellisun.sw.stratus.com Keywords: cooperation In article antonh@rpi.edu writes: >say, can anyone send my info on how to encrpyt a hard disk [...] >ps. I would also like know the consequences of those types of actions if i >so chose to do them in the future in this country and european countries. People have been encrypting notes in their notebooks for hundreds of years -- maybe over a thousand. It's a long tradition dating at least back to the alchemists. I know of nothing bad happening to them. I would assume that nothing bad would happen to you, given this long history establishing encryption as the property of individuals, to do with as they please. -- - <> - Carl Ellison cme@sw.stratus.com - Stratus Computer Inc. M3-2-BKW TEL: (508)460-2783 - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298 FAX: (508)624-7488 ";-1;0 "From: Jim-Miller@suite.com Subject: Certifying Authority question answered. Organization: Suite Software Lines: 12 Reply-To: Jim-Miller@suite.com NNTP-Posting-Host: nimrod.suite.com >>If you have access to FTP, try FTPing to rsa.com, login as anonymous. >>There are several documents there, including a ""frequently asked questions >>about today's cryptography"" document. It has FAQ in its name. >>I believe this document explains the idea behind the certifying authorities. >> >>Good luck >> >>--John Kelsey, c445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu Thanks. I've ftp'ed the FAQ file and it is just what I was looking for. Jim-Miller@suite.com ";-1;0 "From: carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 20 Distribution: ca NNTP-Posting-Host: beowulf.jpl.nasa.gov In article <1993Apr15.162552.5510@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes: >In article <1qjtmjINNq45@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) writes: >> I have come to the conclusion that the TV stations here in LA >> WANT a riot to happen when the verdict comes in. > > Why is this surprising? Then the _Times_ can get a few more >Pulitzers the same way they did last year. I suppose ALL media want something to happen, otherwise what would they report: that's their job. (duhhh to me!) But it's not so much surprising that they want a riot as it is amazing how they carry that desire across in not so subtle ways (at least to me...) carlos. ""I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race"" - Abraham Lincoln ...ames!elroy!jpl-devvax!{beowulf|pituco}!carlos ";-1;0 "From: moore@email.ncsc.navy.mil (Jim Moore) Subject: RE: Can I Change """"Licensed To"""" Data in Windows 3.1? Organization: Coastal Systems Station Lines: 27 In article <16APR93.02280936@vax.clarku.edu> rmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes: >This is in relation to a question concerning changing the registered to: >information of MS-Windows... > >In a previous article, 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote: >> >> ahh, yes, this is a fun topic. No, once the name is incribed on the >>disk, that is it, it is encoded. Not even a HEX editor will find it. You can >>write over the ""Licensed to:"", but you can't change the name underneth it. I > >I can find it with a HEX editor, although I have not tried to overwrite it. >Are you sure it can't be? You may be mistaken about this. (???) You can change it. As part of a continuously downsizing Government organization, my code (branch) changes about once a year. I just finished changing the registration information using Norton Utilities. I sent the original requester the hex offset into USER.EXE containing the information, and his reply indicated he got several similar answers. And it's not encoded in any way. As for the legality, there's nothing that keeps me from changing the information; it certainly doesn't reach out and alter the serial number printed on the inside of my manual. -- Jim Moore Panama City, FL ";-1;0 "From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: div. and conf. names Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Distribution: na Lines: 63 In epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu ( Evan Pritchard) writes: > I think that you are incorrect, Roger. Patrick, >Smythe and Adams all played or coached in the league before becoming >front office types. Hence, they did help build the league, although >they were not great players themselves. Punch Imlach's contributions as a coach and GM were far greater than those of the above combined. Should we name a division or trophy after him? Smythe and Norris and the bunch were honoured purely because they were powerful owners. As owners they certainly did help to build the league but whether they developed the game is another question altogether. Are we going to honour those who contributed to the league's evolution or are we going to honour those who contributed to the glory of the sport itself? > I agree that a name is a name is a name, and if some people >have trouble with names that are not easily processed by the fans, >then changing them to names that are more easily processed seems like >a reasonable idea. If we can get people in the (arena) door by being >uncomplicated, then let's do so. Once we have them, they will realize >what a great game hockey is, and we can then teach them something >abotu the history of the game. I can't disagree with you here. >>The history of the names can be put rather succinctly. All of the aforemen- >>tioned used the game of hockey to make money. Can you imagine a Pocklington >>division? A Ballard division? Or how about a Green division? > No, I would not want to see a Ballard division. But to say >that these owners are assholes, hence all NHL management people are >assholes would be fallacious. Conn Smythe, for example, was a classy >individual (from what I have heard). What have you heard? The Major was the *definitive* little asshole! He originated the phrase ""if you can't beat 'em in the alley you can't beat 'em on the ice."" That was his idea of hockey. Do you think, by chance, that Don Cherry is a classy individual? > Also, isn't the point of ""professional"" hockey to make money >for all those involved, which would include the players. What I think >you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as >should have been their due, and it is the players that are what make >the game great not the people who put them on the ice, so naming >division after management people rather than players is adding insult >(in the form of lesser recognition) to injury (less money than was >deserved). The money issue is irrelevant to the point that we would agree on, and that is: ""it is the players that are what make the game great and not the people who put them on the ice"" Exactly true. Naming divisions and trophies after Smythe and the bunch is the same kind of nepotism that put Stein in the hall of fame. I have always thought that this was nonsense. -- cordially, as always, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ""So many morons... rm ...and so little time."" ";-1;0 "From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: Hilter and homosexuals Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 106 cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: >, erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) writes: >> gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: ># #Are you saying that: ># ># #(1) People voted for Hitler, and he became Reich Chancellor, in good ># #part because he used bully boys to attack communists, ># Hitler did not become become Reich Chancellor because people voted for ># him. I'm not sure if you meant to imply that or not, but I just thought ># I'd bring that up. >Hitler became Chancellor because people voted for his political >party. That's not a huge difference in a parliamentary system. Your statement is a common misconception, but it just isn't true. In the German Weimar system, the Chancellor was not necessarily the leader of the largest Reichstag party; the Chancellor was appointed by the President and generally was the leader of a coalition of parties who could form an effective majority in the Reichstag. Beyond that, the implication that Hitler rose to the Chancellorship because a majority of Germans wanted Nazi rule is false as well. Before President Hindenburg appointed Hitler Chancellor in January 1933, the German people did not show a particular desire to be led either by Hitler or by the Nazi party. These are the results of the March 1932 election for President, the closest Hitler ever came to direct election: Hindenburg 49.6%, Hitler 30.1%, Thaelmann 13.2%, Duesterberg 6.8%. In the runoff election in April the results were: Hindenburg 53%, Hitler 36.8%, Thaelmann 10.2%. So we can see that Hitler personally was supported by only about a third of German voters. Similarly, the Nazi party never received more than 37% of the vote in Reichstag elections. That occurred in July 1932. In the November 1932 election the Nazis *lost* two million votes and 34 seats, down from 230 to 196 out of the 608 in the Reichstag. Comparitively, the Socialists had 121 and the Communists 100. The Communists had gained 11 seats, and the German National party, which had supported the previous government, had picked up a million of the Nazis' lost votes to gain 15 seats (up to 52). I think the other large party was the Catholic Center party (I don't know how many seats they had but I think they were declining), and there were numerous other small parties. Thus the Nazi vote was on the decline at the time Hitler was appointed Chancellor. What brought Hitler to power was *not* the demand of the German people for Hitler or the Nazis to run things, but the inability of the other parties to put their differences behind them in favor of forming an effective government for the country. Germany did not have an enduring democratic tradition, and their parliamentary system lacked effective center parties that favored the interests of the majority of the population. Instead what they had was a number of small parties who were unable to put aside their own specific objectives in order to combine against the Nazis, who were out to end the democratic process. In fact, part of the problem was that some of the other parties with substantial representation, like the Communists, were also out to end the democratic process, but with different results in mind, and generally didn't mind seeing parliamentary democracy go under. Germany had already had a non-Nazi Chancellor with a majority coalition for five months while the Nazis had been the largest Reichstag party, and there certainly was no danger of a revolution in favor of the Nazis. If anything the Nazis were starting to get desperate because they had failed to get enough support to make Hitler President and their popular vote had begun to decline. Hitler was not Hindenburg's first choice to be Chancellor, not even his second choice. First, von Papen had been Chancellor since June 1932. After the November election when the Nazis *lost* seats, Hindenburg first prevailed on von Papen to remain as Chancellor. But there were intrigues behind his back and support for him was lacking. So then Hindenburg turned to von Schleicher, who became Chancellor for two months. Eventually he too was unable to hold together a working coalition of parties to oppose the Nazis, who refused to participate in any government that was not led by a Nazi Chancellor. Some of the Nazi leadership, particularly Gregor Strasser who was the #2 man in the party at the time, wanted to participate in a coalition government. But others, knowing the party's support was waning, figured that their best hope to gain power lay in undermining the democratic process. Nevertheless, the country was governed for seven months by Chancellors who were not Nazis, even though the Nazis were the largest Reichstag party. The failure of these men to achieve a working coalition was due to the inability of their coalition parties to work together. Here's how William Shirer puts it in _The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich_: The cardinal error of the Germans who opposed Nazism was their failure to unite against it. At the crest of their popular strength, in July 1932, the National Socialists had attained but 37 percent of the vote. But the 63 percent of the German people who expressed their opposition to Hitler were much too divided and shortsighted to combine against a common danger which they must have known would overwhelm them unless they united, however temporarily, to stamp it out. True, the German people supported Hitler after he became Chancellor. But that doesn't change the fact that there was not overwhelming support for him *before* he was in power. The German people were not crying out for Hitler to take over, no matter how bad economic conditions were. The leftist parties (Socialists/Communists) probably had more support in total than the Nazis. Hitler used the fact that others were passively or actively willing to see the government paralyzed as a means to taking it over. ----- Eric Smith erics@netcom.com erics@infoserv.com CI$: 70262,3610 ";18;1 "From: dthumim@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J Thumim) Subject: Re: 20"" or 21"" grayscale displays Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu > A quick look through the Computer Shopper gave the following companies >that sell 20""+ monochrome monitors for less than $2000 (PC or PS/2 compatible): > Cornerstone Technology, Digital Technology, Hardware That Fits, > IBM, Ikegami, Image Systems, Nanao, Radius, > Ran-Ger Technologies, Sampo, Samsung, Sigma Designs. Most of these are single-scan monitors, which are useless for most PC users. I posted requests for information in other newsgroups which were mostly fruitless, but I have managed to track down two multisync grayscal monitors in the 17-21"" range, one 20"" and one 21"". I am still looking into it, and I will post the results when I get more info. I am looking into a group purchase as well. -- |)aniel Thumim dthumim@mit.edu ";-1;0 "From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: Rangers name Keenan coach Keywords: hockey, men's professional Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 65 clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes in clari.sports.hockey: > NEW YORK (UPI) -- Mike Keenan, whose NHL coaching history >has been to wear out his welcome despite an impressive penchant for >winning, has come to the city that embraces victors above all else. Well, I could become a fan ... (-; Seriously, this news coming since Thursday has effectively robbed the Islanders and the Devils of any airtime on sports talk shows almost everywhere that I've sampled ... in fact, the playoffs almost don't exist now. )-; Ranger fans calling in to WFAN or to New York One's midnight sports talk were in a mix of fury over this season and near- orgasm over Keenan's hiring. (Summarizing: Keenan is a winner and will give the Broadway Bums 'da business' in pursuing the next Cup chase ...) > The Chicago Blackhawks cut their last tie with Keenan when >he was forced out as general manager in November. He had given up >Chicago's coaching duties a year ago and his thirst for the power >of a GM now increases the pressure on beleaguered Rangers GM Neil >Smith. This will be an interesting combination to watch ... Keenan has been paid enough money to put up and shut up and just be a coach, but his advice on any player moves will be listened to closely. A lot of big player moves will happen --- remember that Keenan got rid of Denis Savard. The country club days are over ... > ``When Keenan left Chicago I couldn't help but think about >him as our coach,'' Smith said. ``There was an indication he would >be taken off the market. I feared that and couldn't let that happen.'' If Paramount had given Smith an earlier sign of support and offered Keenan the big money to put-up-and-shut-up back in January, the Rangers might not be heading for golf now ... > Keenan, 43, takes on a demoralized team that offers him a >chance to fashion yet another of his reclamation projects -- at the >highest salary ever commanded by an NHL coach. The Rangers -- owned >by Gulf & Western -- have bestowed upon Keenan an unprecedented $3 >million, four-year deal, > ``I've known Mike a long time,'' Messier said. ``We've won two >Canada Cups together. He's been to the finals three times. Maybe we >miss just one more element to win the Stanley Cup. I don't think he's >the same person he was 10 years ago or even five years ago. I think he >has changed and bettered himself with experience.'' One of Keenan's first statements was a reaffirmation that Mark Messier will be the team's captain. > The timing of the move gives the Rangers' new coach 2 1-2 >months to prepare for the NHL draft (June 26), and Neil Smith may >not back off the their trade-happy pattern. By then, Smith might have some bargains on Keenan's advice ... like maybe unloading Phil Bourque for Tie Domi ... (-; gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley ";-1;0 "From: mathew Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 32 jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: > Why would the Rushdie case be particularly legitimate? As I've said > elsewhere on this issue, Rushdie's actions had effects in Islamic > countries so that it is not so simple to say that he didn't commit > a crime in an Islamic country. Actually, it is simple. A person P has committed a crime C in country X if P was within the borders of X at the time when C was committed. It doesn't matter if the physical manifestation of C is outside X. For instance, if I hack into NASA's Ames Research Lab and delete all their files, I have committed a crime in the United Kingdom. If the US authorities wish to prosecute me under US law rather than UK law, they have no automatic right to do so. This is why the net authorities in the US tried to put pressure on some sites in Holland. Holland had no anti-cracking legislation, and so it was viewed as a ""hacker haven"" by some US system administrators. Similarly, a company called Red Hot Television is broadcasting pornographic material which can be received in Britain. If they were broadcasting in Britain, they would be committing a crime. But they are not, they are broadcasting from Denmark, so the British Government is powerless to do anything about it, in spite of the apparent law-breaking. Of course, I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong. More confusingly, I could be right in some countries but not in others... mathew ";9;1 "From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes) Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? Lines: 89 note: i am not the original poster, i am just answering because i think this is important. In article db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: >revdak@netcom.com writes: [evil result of human sinfulness, rather than the will of God] >In a certain sense yes. But in the sense that God allows evil to >happen, when obviously (He being God) He could have not had it happen, >does in a certain sense mean that He wills it to happen. God does not >condone evil, but instead uses it for good, as you say, however, what >God desires, must be seperated from what actually happens. For example, >""God desires that all should be saved"" (1 Timothy 2.4), however, it is >quite obvious that nowhere near all are saved. Was God's will thwarted? > No, because His will cannot be escaped, for even when it appears that >it is your will doing something, it is actually the will of God which by >His grace has disposed us to do as He wishes. So we come to the age old >question, why does evil occur? To which we must answer that God allows >evil to occur, though He does not condone it, so that His ultimate plan >may be brought to sucess. Personally, I suggest reading the parts of >the Summa Theologica of St. Thomas that deal with the knowledge of God >to get a good grasp on this whole idea. whoo. i'm going to have to be very careful with my language here. i think God is voluntarily giving up his omniscience in this world so that we can decide on our own where we go -- free will. in this sense God allows evil to occur, and in this sense can be ""held responsible"" as my chaplain says. however, his will is, of course, that all be saved. he's not going to save us ""by himself"" -- we have to take a step in his direction before he will save us. read that last sentence carefully -- i'm not saying we save ourselves. i'm saying we have to ACCEPT our salvation. i do not believe in predestination -- it would appear from what you say further down that you do. [stuff deleted] >I am not saying that anyone deserves punishment more than someone else. >I am simply pointing out that God could be using the Serbians and >Croatians as instruments of His punishment, as he did with the >Israelites against the Cannanites. ok -- i have trouble with that, but i guess that's one of those things that can't be resolved by argument. i accept your interpretation. [more deleted] >>The issue is not questioning why God has made the world in the way God >>so chooses, it is whether _I_ am discerning the world in the way God >>intends it. The debate is about whether we should not oppose the Serbians >>in their ""ethnic cleansing"" because they might be ""doing the will of God."" > >And I said Christians should not be participants in such wars and >slaughters. That does not mitigate the fact that God allows this evil to >continue, for He is patient and willing that none should perish, so He >waits for those whom He has foreknown to turn to Him from their evil. ^^^^^^^^^ this is what indicates to me that you may believe in predestination. am i correct? i do not believe in predestination -- i believe we all choose whether or not we will accept God's gift of salvation to us. again, fundamental difference which can't really be resolved. [yet more deleted] >I am not saying that the evil befalling the Bosnians is justified by >their guilt. I am saying that it is possible that God is punishing them >in this way. In no way is this evil justified, bu that does not mean >that God cannot use evil to further His purposes. I am not accusing the >Bosnians, though they may very well be guilty of great sins, but that is >up to God to judge. We are all defendants when the time comes for our >judgement by God. Let us all sincerely hope and pray that we will have >Jesus Christ as our advocate at that judgement. yes, it is up to God to judge. but he will only mete out that punishment at the last judgement. as for now, evil can be done by human beings that is NOT God's will -- and the best we can do is see taht some good comes out of it somehow. the thing that most worries me about the ""it is the will of God"" argument is that this will convince people that we should not STOP the rape and killing when i think that it is most christ-like to do just that. if jesus stopped the stoning of an adulterous woman (perhaps this is not a good parallel, but i'm going to go with it anyway), why should we not stop the murder and violation of people who may (or may not) be more innocent? >Andy Byler vera ******************************************************************************* I am your CLOCK! | I bind unto myself today | Vera Noyes I am your religion! | the strong name of the | noye@midway.uchicago.edu I own you! | Trinity.... | no disclaimer -- what - Lard | - St. Patrick's Breastplate | is there to disclaim? ******************************************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) Subject: Re: Kind, loving, merciful and forgiving GOD! Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA Lines: 41 In article <8968@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: }m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: }>joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: }>}m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: }>}>}(a) out of context; }>}>Must have missed when you said this about these other ""promises of god"" that we keep }>}>getting subjected to. Could you please explain why I am wrong and they are OK? }>}>Or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy. Both or neither. }>} }>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for }>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a }>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? }> }>Did I either ask or assert that? Or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again? } }(1) Stephen said you took a quote out of context }(2) You noted that Stephen had not replied to some other t.r.m article } (call it A) that took a quote out of context }(3) But the lack of evidence for X does not constitute evidence for the } lack of X (a common creationist error) }(4) So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the } conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A Excellent. Now under what conditions could such a conclusion be made, other than a direct assertion by his part. For instance, am I to assume that you have no position on eating shit merely because you have not said your position, or might a conclusion be made by observing that you do not. }(7) I assumed you were being logical, and that the sentence that begins } ""Could you please explain ..."" was not a nonsequitur, but was intended } to follow from the sentence that preceded it. }Is that better Jim? It's called an argument. If you disagree with it, }explain why the argument is not sound. (I admit that my assumption in (7) }may have been a bit hasty.) If you agree with it, just say ""yup."" Have you, by chance, ever even heard of inductive logic? You are not demonstrating any familiarly with it (i.e. you are being insufficiently logical). ";-1;0 "From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II) Subject: Re: high speed rail is bad Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin TX Distribution: tx Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr13.210503.11099@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (THE SKY ALREADY FELL. NOW WHAT?) writes: >I didn't see your post so I can't comment on it. My $.02 on high >speed rail is, I like it. I like it alot. It would be too bad to >see it tainted by corruption. that's all. The speed limit on commuter tracks in the northeast is 120MPH. We already have something that resembles high speed rail in this country and it requires massive government subsidies. We don't need another government boondoggle. -- John F. Haugh II [ PGP 2.1 ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [ DoF #17 ] @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org Look up ""Ponzi Scheme"" in a good dictionary - it will have a picture of Joe Liberal Handout right next to it. Stop federal spending. Cut the deficit. ";-1;0 "From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 89 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: > >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) > >writes: > >> I agree that they deserved a trial. They had more than 40 days to come > >> out and get their trial. They chose to keep the children with them and > >> to stay inside. They chose to stay inside even after they were tear gassed. > >> I do not find these actions rational. Even Noriega was smart enough to > >> give up and go for the trial he deserved. > >> > > > >Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard. > > Unworthy of comment. But apparently true. My opinion, only, of course. > > >Humans died > >yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the > >actions > >they did. That is the undeniable truth. I cried for them. > > Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty. > That is undeniable truth. No, it is not. It is possible the FBI planned for this to happen, and the gunfire heard was the FBI keeping the folks inside. I'm not proposing this as the way it went down, but just to point out that it's not ""undeniable"" that if they walked out yesterday, they would be alive today. > My heart bleeds just as much as yours for > the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities > to do so. My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion > to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up > and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning. > My heart ""bleeds"" for no one. You are the ""bleeding heart"". And I'm sure beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as I do. You can not say the heartless things you have said if you did. > >You seem to say > >they got what they deserved. > > I do not think this. However, if they did set the fire (which started in > more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they > wanted and put into motion themselves. ""they got what they wanted"". What kind of creature are you that you can believe this? > > I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely > by Arlen Spectre and congress. This is good. They have bungled the affair > from the start. > We agree on this. Now lets have your God, the FBI, investigated, too. > >Jim > >-- > >jmd@handheld.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - > >""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought > >that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 > >""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed > >in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" > >WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 > > > -- > Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 ""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 ";-1;0 "From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) Subject: Re: JUDAS, CRUCIFIXION, TYRE, Etc... Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 32 /(Frank DeCenso) /> />I need to prioritize things in my life, and this board is not all that important />to me. Of course it is. It forms a very big part of your self-respect. You come onto the board, thinking you're some sort of apologeticist for your faith, and you routinely get roasted over a grill for stupid theories and unfounded assumptions. /(Frank DeCenso) /This board will have />to wait until (if ever) I can organize my life to fit it in. I tried dropping />out, but Sieferman coerced me to come back. He won't this time. I doubt that Sieferman has anything to do with you dropping out. It's probably closer to the truth to say that you don't have the cards to play in this game (because you insist on playing from a losing hand), and you're finally realizing it. You will lurk on the board, and keep quiet for a while, looking for an area where you are *certain* that you are correct, and then we'll see you pop back in again. Of course, you then will say that you have merely returned because your life is now ""in order"". But we'll know better. ";-1;0 "From: bruce@Data-IO.COM (Bruce Reynolds) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Organization: Data I/O Corporation Lines: 31 smjeff@lerc05.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeff Miller) writes: >Even properly controlled studies (e.g. double blind studies) are almost >useless if you are trying to prove that something does not affect anyone. -- and -- >In article <1qnns0$4l3@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes: >The mass of anectdotal evidence, combined with the lack of >a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving >the hypothesis, makes the MSG reaction hypothesis the >most likely explanation for events. > Good grief; has no one ever heard of Biostatistics?? The University of Washington (plus 3 or 4 others [Harvard, UNC]) has a department and advanced degree program in Biostatistics. My wife has an MS Biostat, and there are plenty of MDs, PhDs, and postdocs doing Biostatistical work. People do this for a living. Really bright people study for decades to do this sort of study well. Anecedotal evidence is worthless. Even doctors who have been using a drug or treatment for years, and who swear it is effective, are often suprised at the results of clinical trials. Whether or not MSG causes describable, reportable, documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover. The last study on which my wife worked employed 200 nurses, 100 doctors, and a dozen Ph.Ds at one University and at 70 hospitals in five nations. I would think the MSG question could be settled by one lowly Biostat MS student in a thesis. --bruce ";-1;0 "From: gavin@krypton.asd.sgi.com (Gavin Bell) Subject: Re: Surface normal orientations Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: krypton.asd.sgi.com In <1pscti$aqe@travis.csd.harris.com> srp@travis.csd.harris.com (Stephen Pietrowicz) writes: >How do you go about orienting all normals in the same direction, given a >set of points, edges and faces? This algorithm works well for me: Algorithm to attempt to find outward-facing normals: --------------------------------------------------- First, mark all faces as UNKNOWN. Then create an edge dictionary that allows you to find all of the faces sharing a given edge (where an edge is two integers representing the two shared vertices). Pick an arbitrary face and mark it COUNTER_CLOCKWISE. Using the edge dictionary, orient all surrounding faces based on the orientation of this face. And recurse for all surrounding faces, consistently orienting the entire surface. Find the average of the vertices in this surface. Using that point, calculate a volume measurement, taking into account the face's orientation. If the volume turns out to be positive, assume the faces are oriented correctly. If it is negative, reverse their orientations (mark them CLOCKWISE). If any faces are still UNKNOWN after this, choose another face and go through the algorithm again. At the end, faces marked CLOCKWISE must have their indices reversed before facet normals are found. (Note: if you are running on Silicon Graphics machines and buy the IRIS Inventor 3D toolkit developers package you have the source to this algorithm-- see /usr/src/Inventor/tools/ivnorm/. If you're not... sorry, I can't give out the source, and even if I could it relies heavily on Inventor). -- --gavin (gavin@sgi.com, (415)390-1024) ";-1;0 "From: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY Distribution: world Organization: Georgetown University Lines: 139 The following document summarizes the Clipper Chip, how it is used, how programming of the chip is coupled to key generation and the escrow process, and how law enforcement decrypts communications. Since there has been some speculation on this news group about my own involvement in this project, I'd like to add that I was not in any way involved. I found out about it when the FBI briefed me on Thursday evening, April 15. Since then I have spent considerable time talking with the NSA and FBI to learn more about this, and I attended the NIST briefing at the Department of Commerce on April 16. The document below is the result of that effort. Dorothy Denning --------------- THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY Dorothy Denning April 19, 1993 INTRODUCTION On April 16, the President announced a new initiative that will bring together the Federal Government and industry in a voluntary program to provide secure communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. At the heart of the plan is a new tamper-proof encryption chip called the ""Clipper Chip"" together with a split-key approach to escrowing keys. Two escrow agencies are used, and the key parts from both are needed to reconstruct a key. CHIP STRUCTURE The Clipper Chip contains a classified 64-bit block encryption algorithm called ""Skipjack."" The algorithm uses 80 bit keys (compared with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling (compared with 16 for the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of operation. Throughput is 16 Mbits a second. Each chip includes the following components: the Skipjack encryption algorithm F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips N, a 30-bit serial number U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip ENCRYPTING WITH THE CHIP To see how the chip is used, imagine that it is embedded in the AT&T telephone security device (as it will be). Suppose I call someone and we both have such a device. After pushing a button to start a secure conversation, my security device will negotiate a session key K with the device at the other end (in general, any method of key exchange can be used). The key K and message stream M (i.e., digitized voice) are then fed into the Clipper Chip to produce two values: E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement block. The law enforcement block thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family key F. CHIP PROGRAMMING AND ESCROW All Clipper Chips are programmed inside a SCIF (secure computer information facility), which is essentially a vault. The SCIF contains a laptop computer and equipment to program the chips. About 300 chips are programmed during a single session. The SCIF is located at Mikotronx. At the beginning of a session, a trusted agent from each of the two key escrow agencies enters the vault. Agent 1 enters an 80-bit value S1 into the laptop and agent 2 enters an 80-bit value S2. These values serve as seeds to generate keys for a sequence of serial numbers. To generate the unit key for a serial number N, the 30-bit value N is first padded with a fixed 34-bit block to produce a 64-bit block N1. S1 and S2 are then used as keys to triple-encrypt N1, producing a 64-bit block R1: R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] . Similarly, N is padded with two other 34-bit blocks to produce N2 and N3, and two additional 64-bit blocks R2 and R3 are computed: R2 = E[D[E[N2; S1]; S2]; S1] R3 = E[D[E[N3; S1]; S2]; S1] . R1, R2, and R3 are then concatenated together, giving 192 bits. The first 80 bits are assigned to U1 and the second 80 bits to U2. The rest are discarded. The unit key U is the XOR of U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are the key parts that are separately escrowed with the two escrow agencies. As a sequence of values for U1, U2, and U are generated, they are written onto three separate floppy disks. The first disk contains a file for each serial number that contains the corresponding key part U1. The second disk is similar but contains the U2 values. The third disk contains the unit keys U. Agent 1 takes the first disk and agent 2 takes the second disk. The third disk is used to program the chips. After the chips are programmed, all information is discarded from the vault and the agents leave. The laptop may be destroyed for additional assurance that no information is left behind. The protocol may be changed slightly so that four people are in the room instead of two. The first two would provide the seeds S1 and S2, and the second two (the escrow agents) would take the disks back to the escrow agencies. The escrow agencies have as yet to be determined, but they will not be the NSA, CIA, FBI, or any other law enforcement agency. One or both may be independent from the government. LAW ENFORCEMENT USE When law enforcement has been authorized to tap an encrypted line, they will first take the warrant to the service provider in order to get access to the communications line. Let us assume that the tap is in place and that they have determined that the line is encrypted with Clipper. They will first decrypt the law enforcement block with the family key F. This gives them E[K; U] + N. They will then take a warrant identifying the chip serial number N to each of the key escrow agents and get back U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are XORed together to produce the unit key U, and E[K; U] is decrypted to get the session key K. Finally the message stream is decrypted. All this will be accomplished through a special black box decoder operated by the FBI. ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND DISTRIBUTION NOTICE. All information is based on information provided by NSA, NIST, and the FBI. Permission to distribute this document is granted. ";-1;0 "From: akins@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (kay.a.akins) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Organization: AT&T Summary: seizures and foods Lines: 35 In article , paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson) writes: > I am posting to this group in hopes of finding someone out there in > network newsland who has heard of something similar to what I am going > to describe here. I have a fourteen year old daugter who experienced > a seizure on November 3, 1992 at 6:45AM after eating Kellog's Frosted > Flakes. She is perfectly healthy, had never experienced anything like > this before, and there is no history of seizures in either side of the > family. All the tests (EEG, MRI, EKG) came out negative so the decision > was made to do nothing and just wait to see if it happened again. > > Well, we were going along fine and the other morning, April 5, she had > a bowl of another Kellog's frosted kind of cereal, Fruit Loops (I am > embarrassed to admit that I even bought that junk but every once > in a while...) So I pour it in her bowl and think ""Oh, oh, this is the > same kind of junk she was eating when she had that seizure."" Ten > minutes later she had a full blown seizures. This was her first exposure > to a sugar coated cereal since the last seizure....... My daughter has Epilepsy and I attend a monthly parent support group. Just Wednesday night, a mother was telling how she decided to throw all the junk food out and see if it made a difference in her 13 year-old's seizures. He was having about one seizure per week. She reported that she did this on Thursday (3/11), he had a seizure on Saturday and then went 4 weeks without a seizure!! On Easter he went to Grandma's and ate candy, pop - anything he wanted. He had a seizure the next day. She sees sensitivity to nutrasweet, sugar, colors, caffine and corn. With corn she says, he gets very nervous and aggresive. With my own daughter (age 7) , I think she is also sensitive and stays away from those foods on her own. She has never had gum, won't eat candy, prefers an apple to a cookie, doesn't like chocolate and won't even use toothpaste!!! Her brother, on the other hand, is a junk food addict! Hope this helps. Good Luck. ";-1;0 "From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program Nntp-Posting-Host: dzoo.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes: >In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C >OM (Mark Wilson) writes: >>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling >>his so called stimulus package. >>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free >>immunizations for poor kids. > >Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to >go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents >who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done. In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health care ACCESS program. ""Access"" here means that folks who do not give a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services delivered to their doorsteps. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: They were completely and systematically exterminated by Armenians. Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 96 In article jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes: >Do it. Depew has shown himself to be unrepentant (though embarrassed) and >still possessed of the same fucked-up hubris-laden self-righteousness that The theory is that the hollering kills the spirit of the criminal/Nazi Armenians of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle. Now, try dealing with the rest of what I wrote. What is more, the activities of the Armenian Government seem to have been efforts aimed at eradicating a race (the Turks) or aimed at carrying out a one-sided feud, instead of being a struggle for liberation. From the outset, the efforts of the Armenian revolutionaries within the Ottoman borders took the form of terrorist and destructive actions aimed at mass murder, cruelty and genocide, so that no other interpretation of them is possible. Armenian activities started during the reign of Abdulhamid II as individual acts of terror, and then developed into assassinations and surprise attacks. The element of brute force in these activities increased steadily, culminating in mass rebellions and widespread fighting during the First World War. Furthermore, when the Ottoman army withdrew from Eastern Anatolia after the 1915 Sarikamis defeat, Armenian revolutionaries initiated a series of cruelties in this area. Although the Russians occupied Eastern Anatolia as an enemy, nevertheless they were constrained by the rules of war. However, when they returned to their country in 1917 after the Revolution, Armenian revolutionaries were unchecked in this area for about a year until the Ottoman forces returned to Erzurum in 1918. During this period, Armenian revolutionaries executed massacres on the local people which is recorded in historical documents.[1] For example, let us look at a report dated 21 March 1918 which the Commander of the Third Army submitted when he entered Erzurum and Erzincan: ""They were completely and systematically destroyed and burned down by Armenians, even the trees were cut down, and they are like a building entirely consumed by fire in every sense of the word."" As for the people who had been living in Erzurum and Erzincan: ""Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to. Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages left behind after their occupation of this area.""[2] Foreign observers who witnessed the events, including Russian Officers who did not desert their lines, submitted detailed reports proving the genocide to Ottoman commanders who received them as prisoners of war. What is most important is that they stated in their reports 'the massacres did not happen by chance but were planned.'[3] At the end of the war, the German author Dr. Weiss, his Austrian colleague Dr. Stein and his Turkish colleague Mr. Ahmet Vefik visited Trabzon, Kars, Erzurum and Batum between April 17th and May 20th 1918 to record the cruelties. Their writings not only show the scope of Armenian activities, but also reveal their goal and true nature.[4] [1] (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), ""Islam Ahalinin Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat,"" (Istanbul, 1918). The French version: ""Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens sur la Population Musulmane,"" (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K. Turkozu, ed., ""Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi,"" (Ankara, 1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., ""Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz,"" (Ankara, 1974) and, edited by the same author, ""Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler - Derlemeler,"" (Ankara, 1978). ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...,"" Vol. 32, 83 (December 1983), document numbered 1881. [2] ""Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....,"" Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document numbered 1869. [3] From Twerdo-Khlebof's report dated 29 April 1918; quoted in Ermeniler ..., Vol. 2, p. 275. [4] A. R. (Altinay), ""Iki Komite - Iki Kital,"" (Istanbul, 1919), and, ""Kafkas Yollarinda Hatiralar ve Tahassusler"" (Istanbul, 1919). Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) Subject: Montreal Question....... Reply-To: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H. Lines: 9 What position does Mike Lansing play? I cannot seem to find it anywhere. Thanks!!!!1 K--> -- --- Keith J. Mullins (o o) P.S.C -----------oOO--(_)--OOo----------- INTERNET: Plymouth, NH | ""It takes a big man to cry, but | k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu ";14;1 "From: arm1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (arlen.r.martin) Subject: Squeekin' Windows Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 11 Consumer Reports once wrote about the S-10 Blazer that it ""shook and rattled like a tired taxi cab"". There is one noise that is expecially irritating - the back window squeaks. I believe its because the whole tailgate assembly and window are not solid. Anyway, has anyone had the same problem, and have you found any fixes? Arlen Martin AT&T Microelectronics att!attme!stcarm (215)391-2531 ";-1;0 "From: gmc@cthulhu.semi.harris.com Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Nntp-Posting-Host: cthulhu.mlb.semi.harris.com Organization: Analog Lines: 57 In article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca> moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes: >Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: > >: Thus, a deciBell (deci-, l., tenth of + Bell) is a fractional part of the >: original Bell. For example, SouthWestern Bell is a deciBell. > >Out of what hat did you pull this one? dB is a ratio not an RBOC! > >: And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company >: and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by >: simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets >: were affected by the amount of current running through the wires. > >Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man >named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation >of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use. > >: The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, >: thus our use of the Ohms... > >I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right. > >: >: Alexander Graham Bell, actually, is where Bell came from... >Well you got one thing right! >: Actually, I think J. Chiu knows the score and is just being silly. However, ""decibel"" is in fact 1/10th of a bel. He is right on that one, but I don't know if it was accidental or not. Strictly defined, a bel is the ratio of the log of two power levels, and a decibel is 1/10th of a bel so you have 10X decibels for every bel, hence bel=log(P2/P1) and decibel=10Xlog(P2/P1). The bel, ohm, volt, farad, ampere, watt, hertz, henry, etc. are all named for pioneers in the field. It's a traditional and fine way to honor researchers who discover new knowledge in a new field. Hertz was one of the most important of the early electronics explorers, but had been left out in having a term or unit named after him until recently, (1960's, prior to that what is now a hertz was a cps.) All the other units were defined many decades earlier. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: brody@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Adam R. Brody ) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Organization: NASA Ames Research Center Distribution: na Lines: 14 prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce >May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. >Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? >Anyone want to go? >pat I got something in the mail from AIAA about it. Cost is $75. Speakers include John Pike, Hohn Young, and Ian Pryke. ";2;1 "From: kastle@bernoulli.WPI.EDU (Jacques W Brouillette) Subject: Re: ARCTIC WHEELS AUTO SHOW Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: bernoulli.wpi.edu -- : I want only two things from this world, a 58 Plymouth and a small : : OPEC nation with which to fuel it. This would be a good and just : : thing. Car Smashers can just go home and sulk. : : Jacques Brouillette --- Manufacturing Engineering : ";-1;0 "From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) Subject: Re: Is Morality Constant (was Re: Biblical Rape) Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 187 Bill Conner (bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu) wrote: : There are a couple of things about your post and others in this thread : that are a little confusing. An atheist is one for whom all things can : be understood as processes of nature - exclusively. This definition does not include all atheists (see the FAQ). However, I (for one) do think there is no need to invoke any divine or spiritual explanations. It makes a big difference to claim that all things can be understood as natural processes, and to claim that our observations do not require us to postulate any divine intervention, or anything spiritual, for that matter. Humans are not omnipotent, and neither is science. However, science has one advantage theology doesn't: it is self- correcting, with nature as its judge. It is delightful to see how scientific inquiry is revealing a self- consistent, simple picture of our universe. Science is no longer a bunch of separate branches, it is one. From particle physics to psychology. And no aspect of our life, or our universe, is safe from its stern and stony eye. Not even our consciousness. There is no need : for any recourse to Divnity to describe or explain anything. There is : no purpose or direction for any event beyond those required by : physics, chemistry, biology, etc.; everything is random, nothing is : determnined. Actually, determinism vs. indeterminism is a philosophical question, and science cannot say whether the whole thing is actually somehow superdeterministic or not. I think the question does not have any meaning, as far as individual human beings go. If their apparent free will is an illusion, it does not appear to be so from their perspective. Bill, can you say _for sure_ whether you have a free will or not? : This would also have to include human intelligence of course and all : its products. There is nothing requiring that life evolve or that it : acquire intelligence, it's just a happy accident. Maybe. Who are we to tell? It seems intelligence is useful - when during the history of Earth has _one species_ been able to control one third of the whole biosphere? This can still be a result of numerous happy accidents our genetic machinery blindly replicates and preserves. Even that machinery can be result of the same principle - only the systems that can start replicating will survive, those which don't don't make it. (Recommended reading: t.o) : For an atheist, no : event can be preferred to another or be said to have more or less : value than another in any naturalistic sense, and no thought -about- : an event can have value. From whose perspective? I value events and things subjectively, from my perspective. Nature does not have values, because it does not have a perspective - values arise from awareness. If I have a subjective perspective, it is easy to assume that other people also do, and if I think about what it would it be like in their position, I will eventually discover the Golden Rule. Morality is not necessarily a gift from heavens, in fact, it may be a product of evolution. Perhaps we are aware of ourselves because a sense of identity is helpful, allows us to play the roles of others and make us respect others who seem to have identity, too. Bill, have you ever read Aristotle? Try his Ethica Nikomakhea (sp.) for starters. : How then can an atheist judge value? What is the basis for criticizing : the values ennumerated in the Bible or the purposes imputed to God? On : what grounds can the the behavior of the reliogious be condemned? It : seems that, in judging the values that motivate others to action, you : have to have some standard against which conduct is measured, but what : in nature can serve that purpose? What law of nature can you invoke to : establish your values. C.S. Lewis tells us that this argument was the main reason why he abandoned his atheism and became Christian. The argument is severely flawed. Some values, such as the Golden Rule, can have a rational basis. Some others, like the basic idea of wanting to live, has probably its roots in the way our brains are wired. Lewis ignored the very real possiblity that natural selection could also favour altruistic behaviour, and morality as well. Indeed, as humans evolved better and better in building and using tools, they also became better at killing each other. It is a logical necessity that evolution could only favour those who knew how to use tools, but not against one's own people. The Bible reveals quite nicely that the morality of the early Jews was not beyond this. A simple set of rules to hold the people together, under one god. Their god did not care much about people of other nations. At the time of the NT, things were quite different - the Jews were under rule of an _empire_, and could no longer simply ignore the Gentiles. A new situation required a new morality, and along with it a new religion was born. (A mutation in a meme pool.) : Since every event is entirely and exclusively a physical event, what : difference could it possibly make what -anyone- does, religious or : otherwise, there can be no -meaning- or gradation of value. The only : way an atheist can object to -any- behaviour is to admit that the : objection is entirely subjective and that he(she) just doesn't like it : - that's it. Any value judgement must be prefaced by the disclaimer : that it is nothing more than a matter of personal opinion and carries : no weight in any ""absolute"" sense. It looks like you haven't bothered to read philosophy. Whenever there is an observer, there is a subjective point of view, which may value its existence and happiness (even if that were just a result of some physical event), and other's happiness, too, if the observer comes to think about it. In an absolutely objective sense, that is, without any observers or subjects, moral judgments lose their meaning. It is not possible for a value to simply exist without a point of view. This includes gods, too, their values are only _their_ personal judgments, not absolute truths, since such truths do not exist. The fact that most people do not deliberately want to hurt others is a manifestation of the way we have fought for our existence by becoming social beings who can think and value others' existence. Morality is not property of humans alone - chimps, dolphins and many other species show great care for each other. Dolphins have sometimes saved humans from drowning, a good deed indeed. : That you don't like what God told people to do says nothing about God : or God's commands, it says only that there was an electrical event in your : nervous system that created an emotional state that your mind coupled : with a pre-existing thought-set to form that reaction. That your : objections -seem- well founded is due to the way you've been : conditioned; there is no ""truth"" content. The whole of your : intellectual landscape is an illusion, a virtual reality. The last statement does not logically follow. In fact, there is every reason to believe our thoughts can model reality very well, and our senses can convey reliable information. Solipsism is still a logical possibility, but not a very likely one. You are continuously mixing two different views: the subjective point of view (which we all share) and an objective point of view, _which does not exist_. Any observer or thinker, any personal being, has its own point of view. It does not matter whether this point of view is a result of some physical events or not, it does not cease to be subjective. From a non-observers non-point of view, values do not exist. Neither does pain, or pleasure, or beauty, or love. Such things are inherently subjective. Once again, if god wants wives to submit to their husbands, or even to make a leap of faith into the unknown, or wants to punish us if we don't, I disagree with his morals. I do not think my morals come from any supreme being - to remove my morals means the same than to make me a zombie, a machine without a single thought. If god gave us morality to judge, but I disagree with him, it is not my fault. He is free to replace my morals. I cannot see what is the point of giving someone a moral system which disagrees with one's own and then to get mad at this. God must be schizophrenic. : All of this being so, you have excluded : yourself from any discussion of values, right, wrong, goood, evil, : etc. and cannot participate. Your opinion about the Bible can have no : weight whatsoever. Neither can the opinion of any god, for that matter. I cannot understand why a subjective opinion of a thing made of matter is in any way less credible than an opinion of a thing made of something else. Bill, take note: Absolute values must be independent of _any_ being, _including_ gods. If god has a subjective viewpoint, it is his own point of view, and his morals are his own. Petri -- ___. .'*''.* Petri Pihko kem-pmp@ Mathematics is the Truth. !___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of ' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game. *' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game. ";-1;0 "From: steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) Subject: Re: NHL team in Milwaukee Organization: Cadkey, Inc. Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Charlie Betz (cbetz@romulus.cray.com) writes: > After reading some of the reports of possible NHL moves to Milwaukee or that > Milwaukee should have an NHL team, I thought I'd pass along a story I heard > recently. This is second hand, so I don't know how true it is, but I have > no reason to doubt it either. > > Bradley Center in Milwaukee is home to the Milwaukee Admirals minor leauge > hockey team. The owner of the Admirals (sorry, I can't remember his name) > either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the > Bradley Center. Lloyd Pettit. > > Supposedly he was approached by the NHL about an expansion franchise, but > turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of $50 million was too > high. > > Like I said, I don't know whether this story is true or just a rumor, but if > it's true, don't look for an NHL team in Milwaukee anytime soon. The Admirals > aren't going to be forced out of the building and you won't see an NHL club > and a minor league club in the same building, especially since the NBA's > Milwaukee Bucks play there as well. Yes, it is true that he refused to buy a franchise from the NHL for $50M; but at the time the reason was that the established market for teams was much less than that. He felt that no one would pay $50M for an expansion team, and that he would simply wait to buy an existing franchise for less than that. But the market fooled him, and 5 teams have been created for $50M apiece in the last three years, and even the existing teams can't be moved for less than $50M and I doubt that he could get one for that little. Pettit gambled and lost. Now he'll have to pay more. -SG ";-1;0 "From: alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) Subject: Windows Speaker Sound Driver Summary: Where can I ftp it? Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 7 Is there an ftp site where I can get the MS speaker sound driver? There's a ""sound.exe"" file that claims to be the driver but I'm suspicious since it's not a .drv file. Thanks Alec Lee ";-1;0 "From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 73 In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri tes: >In article <1993Apr18.001338.21323@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus. acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: >>>No social problem, however great, is worth destroying the freedom in America . >>>The destruction of freedom is never an answer to any social problem. >> >>You can't even walk down the street at night alone in America because of drug s. >>Freedom my ass. >> >>Ryan > >Why exactely can't you walk down the street safely? It it because somebody >will jump out from behind a shadow, and, SELL YOU DRUGS? Hardly. Or mug me. > On the >other hand, it's certainly possible that you are walking down the steet of >a bustling lawless part of your metropolitan area. Lawless and bustling: read >underground economy. Why must you pursue this fantasy that all crime is derived from ""underground economies"". > There, it may not be a very safe place to be at all. >Unless of course you're there to buy some drugs... > >I explained how the WOD is a major cause of large-scale crime in America. The >head of the Guardian Angles agrees with me: legalize drugs and watch violent ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Haaahaaaahaaaa >crimes significantly decrease. > >As for me, well, I think I'll go take a walk tonight--alone. I feel safe. I >just hope the FDA/FBI/DEA/BATF isn't back at my apartment confiscating all my >property because they found my phone number written on a phone booth that was >also used by a drug dealer. Yeah buddy, this happens all the time. Tell me, HAS IT EVERY REALLY HAPPENED TO YOU? That's what I thought. > In that sense, I don't feel safe. I'm an honest, >law-abiding citizen (drug laws included, FTM), why is it that I fear the >government more than I fear criminals? > Your foolish. >Freedom MY ass. This is NOT what the founding fathers (some of whom would be >thrown in prison under today's drug laws) had in mind. All of these problems >you come up with pale in comparison to the fact that the very fiber of our >country--the US Constitution--is being destroyed. What good would it do ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Must I ask again, what part? >even IF the WOD actually reduced crime: we just created a new class of >criminals, headed up the gang's current leader: Bill Clinton. The DEA, etc. >are private armies that answer directly to the president. They possess >advanced weapons and survailance technology. Does this sound familiar to >anybody? > >Do you support ""Mein Furher Clinton""? Hmmmmmm? You seem to have come out >against the current adminstration: why are you eager to endow it with >even MORE power? (Power of the most dangerous kind, too). > All I ask is that drugs stay illegal. I don't think it's too much to ask. Ryan ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 23 douglas craig holland (holland@CS.ColoState.EDU) writes: > > With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just > call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic > emmisions from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to > protect yourself from TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as > far as I know. are LCD displays vulnerable to tempest? > If the new regime comes to fruition, make sure you protect your First > Amendment rights by asserting your Second Amendment Rights. i'll second that. jason -- ""I stood up on my van. I yelled, `Excuse me, sir. Ain't nothing wrong with this country that a few plastic explosives won't cure!'"" - Steve Taylor, I Blew Up the Clinic Real Good `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,` ";-1;0 "From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 15 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1993Apr20.204335.157595@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes... >Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For >example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a ""safe"" >mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if >maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy >gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again. It can be, but the problem is a political one, not a technical one. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. ";-1;0 "From: pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu Subject: HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing Lines: 11 My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no medical insurance, she cannot get them removed. My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature, etc...) Thank you, Dave Carvell pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu ";-1;0 "From: ""Robert Knowles"" Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam In-Reply-To: <1pqfic$9s2@fido.asd.sgi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 32 >DATE: 5 Apr 1993 23:32:28 GMT >FROM: Jon Livesey > >In article <114127@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >|> >|> I don't understand the point of this petty sarcasm. It is a basic >|> principle of Islam that if one is born muslim or one says ""I testify >|> that there is no god but God and Mohammad is a prophet of God"" that, >|> so long as one does not explicitly reject Islam by word then one _must_ >|> be considered muslim by all muslims. So the phenomenon you're attempting >|> to make into a general rule or psychology is a direct odds with basic >|> Islamic principles. If you want to attack Islam you could do better than >|> than to argue against something that Islam explicitly contradicts. > >Then Mr Mozumder is incorrect when he says that when committing >bad acts, people temporarily become atheists? > >jon. Of course B.M. is not incorrect. He is defending Islam. When defending Islam against infidels you can say anything and no one will dare criticize you. But when an atheist uses the same argument he is using ""petty sarcasm"". So B.M. can have his ""temporary atheists"" whenever he needs them and all the ""temporary atheists"" can later say that they were always good Muslims because they never explicitly rejected Islam. Temporary atheism, temporary Islam, temporary marriage. None of it sticks. A teflon religion. How convenient. And so easy to clean up after. But then, what would you expect from a bunch of people who can't even agree on the phases of the moon? ";-1;0 "From: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) Subject: ringing ears Keywords: ringing ears, sleep, depression Reply-To: jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) Distribution: world Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA Lines: 15 A friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing. The ringing is so loud that she has great difficulty sleeping at night. She says that she hasn't had a normal night's sleep in about 6 months (she looks like it too :-(). This is making her depressed so her doctor has put her on anti-depressants. The ringing started rather suddenly about 6 months ago. She is quickly losing sleep, social life and sanity over this. Does anyone know of any treatments for this? Any experience? Coping mechanisms? Any opinions on the anti-depressant drugs? [J.F.] ";-1;0 "From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) Subject: Re: Laser vs Bubblejet? Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr20.173742.99726@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> hl00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOU-SHENG LIN) writes: >Well, I'm not too sure if this would be the right place to post this, but >anyway, here goes: I was just noticing that some of the current bubblejet >printers offers up to 360x360 resolution while a lot of lower end laser >printers only offer 300x300. However, the laser printers still seems to be >significantly pricier than the bubblejets... how is this? Or am I missing >something about the resolution thing? Bubblejets often splatter a little bit, whereas LaserJets (given half-way decent toner, like HP's ""Microfine"" stuff) don't. Both produce very good output, but you don't have to look too closely at the two to tell that LaserJet output is definitely superior. On the other hand, LaserJets which haven't been maintained properly and use the cheapest toner the owner could find often produce awful output, much worse than a bubblejet. :-) One other thing... there are bubblejets, and then there are BubbleJets. There are a few bubblejets out there that produce rather mediocre output (such as HP's dinky little BubbleJet), whereas most produce really good looking output (such as HP's DeskJets). IBM and Canon both produce some of the really good style bubblejets. ---Joel Kolstad P.S. -- If you're in the market for a portable bublejet printer, I can highly recommend the HP Portable DeskJet, although I've heard the portable Canons are good too (I needed PCL support, myself). With the DeskJet Portable, you even get an undocumented PCMCIA card slot! ";-1;0 "From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: pb100 memory upgrade Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 16 jeffe@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (george) writes: >does the pb100 use different memory than the newer models? >I am looking to buy a 2Mb upgrade, so I need to know >which other powerbooks use the same 2Mb card. I think all Powerbooks use the same 2 Meg upgrade, but the 4 Meg and 6 Meg upgrades are different for the PB100 than for the other PBs. ----- Eric Smith erics@netcom.com erics@infoserv.com CI$: 70262,3610 ";-1;0 "From: jlroffma@unix.amherst.edu (JOSHUA LAWRENCE ROFFMAN) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu Organization: Amherst College X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] Lines: 12 : >baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up : >with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and : >maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know : >it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but : >humor us. Thanks for your help. : John Lowenstein is definately NOT Jewish. Many in Baltimore thought he was... especially after he told the Baltimore _Jewish Times_ so...but later he admitted that it was a joke. ";-1;0 "From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) Subject: Inflatable Mile-Long Space Billboards (was Re: Vandalizing the sky.) Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 70 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu In-reply-to: enzo@research.canon.oz.au's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 22:36:55 GMT In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: >WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC >1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE ""SPINOFFS"" WE WERE PROMISED? >In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published ""The >Man Who Sold the Moon,"" which involved a dispute over the sale of >rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this >hideous vision of the future. Observers were >startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the >pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the >side of the booster rockets. Space Marketing Inc. had arranged >for the ad to promote Arnold's latest movie. Well, if you're going to get upset with this, you might as well direct some of this moral outrage towards Glavcosmos as well. They pioneered this capitalist application of booster adverts long before NASA. (Sign of the times: a Sony logo on a Soyuz launcher...) >Now, Space Marketing >is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on >a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth >orbit. This sounds like something Lowell Wood would think of. Does anyone know if he's involved? >NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, >since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates >(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This >may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of >Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the >project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone >monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. This may be the purpose for the University of Colorado people. My guess is that the purpose for the Livermore people is to learn how to build large, inflatable space structures. >.......... >What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize >the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. If this is true, I think it's a great idea. Learning how to build to build structures in space in an essential step towards space development, and given that Freedom appears to be shrinking towards the vanishing point, I question whether NASA's space station is going to provide much, if any, knowledge in this area. (Especially if a design such as Faget's wingless orbiter is chosen...) If such a project also monitors ozone depletion and demonstrates creative use of (partial) private sector funding in the process -- so much the better. >Is NASA really supporting this junk? And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the ""wild idea"" stage or does it have real funding? >Are protesting groups being organized in the States? Not yet. Though, if this project goes through, I suppose The Return of Jeremy Rifkin is inevitable... -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Brian Yamauchi Case Western Reserve University yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu Department of Computer Engineering and Science _______________________________________________________________________________ ";-1;0 "From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion. Lines: 36 cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes: > In article MJMUISE@1302.wats > }I think the cops and ""Don't You Dare Drink & Drive"" (tm) commercials will > }usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you > }could very well be over the legal limit. > }Watch yourself. > > Indeed, especially if you are ""smart"" and eat some food with your > drink. The food coating the stomach lining (especially things like > milk) can temporarily retard the absorption of alcohol. When the > food is digested, the absorption will proceed, and you will > actually be drunker (i.e., have a higher instantaneous BAC) than > you would have been if you had drunk 1 drink/hr. on an empty stomach. > > Put another way, food can cause you to be less drunk than drinking on > an empty stomach early on in those five hours, but more drunk than > drinking on an empty stomach later in those five hours. > -- > Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 > DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George > ""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom > in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson Again, from my alcohol server's class: The absolute *most* that eating before drinking can do is slow the absorption down by 15 minutes. That gives me time to eat, slam one beer, and ride like hell to try to make it home in the 10 minutes left after paying, donning helmet & gloves, starting bike... -- Dean Woodward | ""You want to step into my world? dean@fringe.rain.com | It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."" '82 Virago 920 | -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World' DoD # 0866 ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: DESTROYING ETHNIC IDENTITY: TURKS OF GREECE (& Macedonians...) Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 145 In article ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes: >> Sure your memory is weak. >> Let me refresh your memory (if that's not to late): >> First of all: it is called ISTANBUL. >> Let me even spell it for you: I S T A N B U L > When my grandfather came in Greece, the official name of the city was > Constantinoupolis. Are you related to 'Arromdian' of ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle? >Now, read carefully the following, and then speak: >The recent Helsinki Watch 78 page report, Broken Promises: Torture and Ditto. |1| HELSINKI WATCH: ""PROBLEMS OF TURKS IN WESTERN THRACE CONTINUE"" Ankara (A.A) In a 15-page report of the ""Helsinki Watch"" it is stated that the Turkish minority in Western Thrace is still faced with problems and stipulated that the discriminatory policy being implemented by the Greek Government be brought to an end. The report on Western Thrace emphasized that the Greek government should grant social and political rights to all the members of minorities that are equal to those enjoyed by Greek citizens and in addition they must recognize the existence of the ""Turkish Minority"" in Western Thrace and grant them the right to identify themselves as 'Turks'. NEWSPOT, May 1992 |2| GREECE ISOLATES WEST THRACE TURKS The Xanthi independent MP Ahmet Faikoglu said that the Greek state is trying to cut all contacts and relations of the Turkish minority with Turkey. Pointing out that while the Greek minority living in Istanbul is called ""Greek"" by ethnic definition, only the religion of the minority in Western Thrace is considered. In an interview with the Greek newspaper ""Ethnos"" he said: ""I am a Greek citizen of Turkish origin. The individuals of the minority living in Western Trace are also Turkish."" Emphasizing the education problem for the Turkish minority in Western Thrace Faikoglu said that according to an agreement signed in 1951 Greece must distribute textbooks printed in Turkey in Turkish minority schools in Western Thrace. Recalling his activities and those of Komotini independent MP Dr. SadIk Ahmet to defend the rights of the Turkish minority, Faikoglu said. ""In fact we helped Greece. Because we prevented Greece, the cradle of democracy, from losing face before European countries by forcing the Greek government to recognize our legal rights."" On Turco-Greek relations, he pointed out that both countries are predestined to live in peace for geographical and historical reasons and said that Turkey and Greece must resist the foreign powers who are trying to create a rift between them by cooperating, adding that in Turkey he observed that there was will to improve relations with Greece. NEWSPOT, January 1993 |3| MACEDONIAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS TO FACE TRIAL IN GREECE. Two ethnic Macedonian human rights activists will face trial in Athens for alleged crimes against the Greek state, according to a Court Summons (No. 5445) obtained by MILS. Hristos Sideropoulos and Tashko Bulev (or Anastasios Bulis) have been charged under Greek criminal law for making comments in an Athenian magazine. Sideropoulos and Bulev gave an interview to the Greek weekly magazine ""ENA"" on March 11, 1992, and said that they as Macedonians were denied basic human rights in Greece and would field an ethnic Macedonian candidate for the up-coming Greek general election. Bulev said in the interview: ""I am not Greek, I am Macedonian."" Sideropoulos said in the article that ""Greece should recognise Macedonia. The allegations regarding territorial aspirations against Greece are tales... We are in a panic to secure the border, at a time when the borders and barriers within the EEC are falling."" The main charge against the two, according to the court summons, was that ""they have spread...intentionally false information which might create unrest and fear among the citizens, and might affect the public security or harm the international interests of the country (Greece)."" The Greek state does not recognise the existence of a Macedonian ethnicity. There are believed to be between 350,000 to 1,000,000 ethnic Macedonians living within Greece, largely concentrated in the north. It is a crime against the Greek state if anyone declares themselves Macedonian. In 1913 Greece, Serbia-Yugoslavia and Bulgaria partioned Macedonia into three pieces. In 1919 Albania took 50 Macedonian villages. The part under Serbo-Yugoslav occupation broke away in 1991 as the independent Republic of Macedonia. There are 1.5 million Macedonians in the Republic; 500,000 in Bulgaria; 150,000 in Albania; and 300,000 in Serbia proper. Sideropoulos has been a long time campaigner for Macedonian human rights in Greece, and lost his job as a forestry worker a few years ago. He was even exiled to an obscure Greek island in the mediteranean. Only pressure from Amnesty International forced the Greek government to allow him to return to his home town of Florina (Lerin) in Northern Greece (Aegean Macedonia), where the majority of ethnic Macedonians live. Balkan watchers see the Sideropoulos affair as a show trial in which Greece is desperate to clamp down on internal dissent, especially when it comes to the issue of recognition for its northern neighbour, the Republic of Macedonia. Last year the State Department of the United States condemned Greece for its bad treatment of ethnic Macedonians and Turks (who largely live in Western Thrace). But it remains to be seen if the US government will do anything until the Presidential elections are over. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 38 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner) says: >brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes: > >>I think he's talking about a different form of rush. Evidently, it's fun to be >>terrified. But hey, if you want that kind of rush, try bobsledding. You may >>only get up to 80 or so, but it makes 130 in a car feel like a stroll in the >>park. > >Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear >going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using >either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush >for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster. > >But in one point You are quite right. If You are terrified at 130 You >should better not drive that fast, or You'll be a hazard to others. > >BTW, before You flame me, read my E-Mail address. I know what I'm >talking about, as I live in Germany. > >>- BK > >Chris crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de not a flame, just a point: I'd be scared at 130 here, not because i feel _I_ or my car couldn't handle it, but because of exactly what you said: drivers who are STUPID. Like the ones who are doing 130 also, and so they pull in right behind you at maybe 1-2 car lengths....oh yeah, real smart... This scares me in cities at 50. When i can't see enough of the car to make it recognizable, they are following TOO CLOSE. And when i see them doing this AND reading a newspaper.....*sigh*...this is why America has 55-65 speed limits: our drivers are TOO DUMB to realise that reading the paper should be done at breakfast, or work, not in their car. my thoughts.. DREW ";10;1 "From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu In article <115686@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >No, I say religious law applies to those who are categorized as >belonging to the religion when event being judged applies. This Who does the categorizing? --- "" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too."" John Laws Local GOP Reprehensitive Extolling ""Traditional Family Values."" ";-1;0 "From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) Subject: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it? Organization: IntraNet, Inc. Lines: 10 In response to a post about SUV's, I got several unsolicited recommendations to check out the Land Cruiser, despite its astronomical price. The Toyota dealer told me it's a ""cult car"". If a car is good enough to create a passionate and loyal following, there must be something really extraordinary about it. So, all you Land Crusher Cultists - here is your chance to convert me. -- Jonathan Edwards edwards@intranet.com IntraNet, Inc 617-527-7020 ";-1;0 "From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch) Subject: Re: Radio Electronics Free information card Nntp-Posting-Host: bopper2.phx.mcd.mot.com Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az. Lines: 73 In article v064mb9k@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL B. GANDLER) writes: > > How does the radio Electronics free information cards work. >Do they just send you some general information about the companies that >advertise in their magazine or does it also give you sign you up for a >catalog. That depends entirely upon the advertiser whose number you circled. Radio Electronics compiles all of the cards, then each advertiser gets a computer printout of the names and addresses of all of the readers who circled their number. Some magazines also provide the data on self-adhesive labels, and the really big magazines provide the data on computer disk. The advertiser decides what to do with the data they get. You will notice that the Radio Electronics information card (commonly called a ""bingo card"" in the industry) includes lines for a company name and a business phone number. My guess would be that the big, national advertisers make a distinction between hobbiests and professionals as best they can. For example, if you include Motorola as your company and include a business phone (and a mail stop), Tektronics will probably send you a copy of their hard-bound catalog and have a sales engineer call you about a week later. If you leave it blank, odds are they will send you a slick brochure and direct you to a local retail outlet. Medium and small companies are more likely to send you th e whole catalog. And then some companies, like Digikey or Jameco, have nothing to mail out accept the catalog. A couple of other interesting points about bingo cards: Free, industry magazines like EDN and such also log your card to their computer. They use the information at least three ways. They note that you really do read the magazine and are more likely to continue your subscription or push you, through repeated mailings, to re-subscribe. They also compile how many people requested which data for their marketing demographics. This way thay can tell a prospective advertiser that ""23% of readers requesting data were interested in capacitors."" And finally, some magazines rent lists of readers who request certain information. For example, Tektronics can rent a list of everyone who requested information about test equipment OTHER THAN TEKTRONIC's, in the past 6 months. The other point, in the data the advertiser receives, many magazines include how many items you circled on the card. If they want, the advertiser can attempt to cull out the ""literature collectors"" from the serious potential customers. ""Can you say qualified sales leads? I thought you could."" What's the BEST way for a hobbiest to deal with bingo cards? Never circle more than 8 number on the card. If you want more than 8 items, use the second card and mail it a couple of weeks later. If you are really, really serious and you really, really want the information, CALL THE ADVERTISER AND ASK! This will also cut about 15 days off the the response time. Virtually everyone takes a voice on the phone more seriously than data on a computer printout. To help insure you keep getting a trade magazine that you're not really ""qualified"" for, send in a bingo card at least every other month and circle two or three numbers. Include a business name and phone number, even if it's your house. Advertisers almost never call. John Schuch publisher of: The Arizona High-Tech Times The Arizona Electrical Journal The Arizona HVAC News (all of which have bingo cards) ";-1;0 "From: camter28@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carter Ames) Subject: Lead Acid batteries & Concrete? Organization: Temple University Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I was just wondering one thing, actually two. ( I hope that this is the proper place to post this subject) Why does a lead acid battery discharge and become dead (totally unuseable) when stored on a concrete floor? I decided to bring the battery in from the lawn mower and the motorcycle from the unheated garage this year, *to preserve them* and I just went to use them and noticed that not only do they not work, but they act like the two terminals are shorted. I asked a friend and he said that you should never do that, 'cause it ruins them, but he couldn't tell me why. thanks camter28@astro.ocis.temple.edu ";-1;0 "From: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 77 NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Originator: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >You are loosing. ^^^^^^^ >There is no question about it. You can't spell. There is no question about it. >Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter >how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. We must be reading different public opinion polls. I agree that the misguided public would like to see assault weapons banned (mainly because they are being lied to by the media about the frequency of their use in violent crime ... ~1%), but if public opinion were so dead-set against the RKBA you can bet that idiots like Metzenbaum and Schumer would be seeing their foolish bills getting passed through Congress a LOT easier than they are. And as governments go broke and can no longer protect their citizens you can bet that the American people will start to really appreciate the usefulness of firearms. Contrary to what you might think, time is probably on OUR side, not YOURS. >This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your >RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty. Yeah, right. Don't hold your breath. My condolences on the discovery of uncomfortable resilience in your mammary glands, but this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. ... ridiculous tripe deleted ... >The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against >you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! Yeah, the liberal press doesn't like us much, but you can't really expect coherent thought from them anyway. Their opinions are based more on a desire to appear politically correct than on facts (which are generously provided by the FBI, if they'd bother to put on their Birkenstocks and go to the library to read them). Most of my friends are anti-gun, and without exception NONE of them bases his/her opinions on facts. They would rather believe (despite all evidence to the contrary) that disarming law-abiding citizens would make the world more civilized, when all it really does is make us all sheep. They would rather wallow in their pitiful liberal white guilt about how society has driven the criminal to rob, rape, and murder. They support spending millions of public dollars protecting the rights of scum who have already demonstrated that they have no regard for society or its laws. They ignore the fact that areas with the strictest gun control (NYC,DC) have the worst crime and areas with little gun control (VT,NH,ID) have very little crime in comparison. But they have to ignore this because otherwise they would need to confront the fact that law-abiding citizens who own guns are not the ones that are causing most of the trouble in society. Oh no, we certainly can't accept that! But I guess I have faith that when crime starts making significant inroads into their neighborhoods and starts directly hurting them and their families, they will probably whistle a different tune. They just better hope it isn't too late then. >Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect >them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. Hmmm. I wasn't expecting company tonight. I might be able to whip up a quick cheese and cracker plate, but they should probably bring their own drinks. Do I have time to vacuum the rug? >Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions >are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will >be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... I'm glad you ended the posting here. Your medication seems to have worn off ... ----------------------------------------------------------- Lee Gaucher NRA | My opinions. gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu | No one else's. ----------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.) Organization: HewlettPackardSantaRosaSystmsDiv,RohnertParkCA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 22 VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG (vidaros@dhhalden.no) wrote: & Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models & really mean. & Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L & and P in Suzuki VS750GLP Honda: a ""V"" designates a V engine street bike. ""VF"" for V-4, ""VT"" for V-twin. ""CB"" is a street bike with an parallel twin or inline 4-cylinder engine. ""R"" used to mean race bike, but is now also used to mean sport bike. ""CL"" was for the old steet scramblers-street bikes with high pipes ""CM"" was a ""custom"" street bike ""CR"" is dirt only two strokes ""XL"" is dual purpose bike ""XR"" was dirt only four stroke, but now can be a dual purpose bike if it has an ""L"" as a suffix. ""GL"" is a touring bike -- Frank Ball 1UR-M frankb@sad.hp.com (707) 794-4168 work, Hewlett Packard (707) 794-3844 fax, (707) 538-3693 home 1212 Valley House Drive IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510 Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999 KC6WUG, LAW, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA. ";-1;0 "From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Fractals? what good are they? Organization: Purdue University Lines: 51 In article <7155@pdxgate.UUCP> idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick) writes: > One thing: a small change in initial conditions can cause a huge > change in final conditions. There are certain things about the way > the plate tektoniks and volcanic activity effect a land scape that > is, while not entirely random, unpredictable. This is also true with > fractals, so one could also conclude that you could model this > fractally. Yeah, and it's also true most long complicated sequences of events, calculations, or big computer programs in general. I don't argue that you can get similar and maybe useful results from fractals, I just question whether you >should<. The fractal fiends seem to be saying that any part of a system that we can't model should be replaced with a random number generator. That has been useful, for instance, in making data more palatable to human perception or for torture testing the rest of the system, but I don't think it has much to do with fractals, and I certainly would rather that the model be improved in a more explicable manner. I guess I just haven't seen all these earth-shaking fractal models that explain and correlate to the universe as it actually exists. I really hope I do, but I'm not holding my self-similar breath. > There is one other thing that fractals are good for: fractal > image compression. Uh huh. I'll believe it when I see it. I've been chasing fractal compression for a few years, and I still don't believe in it. If it's so great, how come we don't see it competing with JPEG? 'Cause it can't, I'll wager. Actually, I have wagered, I quit trying to make fractal compression work- and I was trying- because I don't think it's a reasonable alternative to other techniques. It is neat, though. :-) I'll reiterate my disbelief that everything is fractal. That's why I don't think fractal compression as it is widely explained is practical. I know Barnsley and Sloan have some tricks up their sleeves that make their demos work, but I don't see anyone using it in a real product. It's been six years since Iterated Systems was formed, right? ""There are always going to be questions until there's a product out there,"" Sloan replies. The company plans to ship its first encoding devices in the summer, he says. In March, Iterated Systems will have the other half of the system: the decoders. - Scientific American, March 1990, page 77 Allen B (Don't even get me started :-) ) ";-1;0 "From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra) Subject: Re: Which high-performance VLB video card? Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology Lines: 35 In article blean@rwb.esd.sgi.com (Bob Blean) writes: > >Someone in this group posted a little while back that they were getting an >Orchid V9000 card -- has that card arrived? What do the benchmarks look >like? The one I got only does about 4kb/s in text and 320x200 (VGA/MCGA) mode, which is almost identical to the other W5186 based cards (ATI 68800 does about 6kb/s). This is weird since the Orchid supposedly should be much faster (and I was told by someone that it can do almost 16 kb/s), since the VGA chip is covered by the Orchid label, I can't really tell for sure if it uses a 5286 chip, but the spec. sheet that comes with the board (no docs!) did say it has 1 meg dram and uses a 5286 chip. Winmarks (3.11) is about 4 mil. slower than a Viper (34 vs ~38) using standard palette. BTW if anyone is insterested, I'm trying to sell a Diamond Viper (2 megs vram) for a friend for $300, email if interested (I'm too broke to take it myself). >Also, is the AMI P9000-based card real? What does it use for VGA? Speed? I think it's available in limited quantites. No idea of what VGA chip it uses though. Be very careful with OEM P9000 boards though, the Orchid I got for example only has a readme file on disk that serve as documentation, and conflicts the hell with my VLB controller card (or maybe it's my motherboard, an A.I.R. 486 VLB) +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Stephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii *Using a friend's account while waiting for my new grad. account* + Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! + ";-1;0 "From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") Subject: How do they ignite the SSME? X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 21 on Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 12:38:50 GMT, Paul Dietz writes: /in essence, holding a match under the nozzle, is just *nuts*. One /thing you absolutely must do in such an engine is to guarantee that /the propellants ignite as soon as they mix, within milliseconds. To /do otherwise is to fill your engine with a high explosive mixture /which, when it finally does ignite, blows everything to hell. Definitely! In one of the reports of an early test conducted by Rocketdyne at their Santa Susanna Field Lab (""the Hill"" above the San Fernando and Simi Valleys), the result of a hung start was described as ""structural failure"" of the combustion chamber. The inspection picture showed pumps with nothing below , the CC had vaporized! This was described in a class I took as a ""typical engineering understatement"" :-) Disclaimer: Opinions stated are solely my own (unless I change my mind). Ben Muniz MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com w(818)586-3578 Space Station Freedom:Rocketdyne/Rockwell:Structural Loads and Dynamics ""Man will not fly for fifty years"": Wilbur to Orville Wright, 1901 ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: Re: Armenian killings in Kelbadjar ( Azerbadjan ) continues..... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 28 In article <1993Apr5.064028.24746@kth.se> hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes: >Armenian killings in Kelbadjar ( Azerbadjan ) continues, Armenian >attackers continues it's attack against Kelbadjar, Azerbadjan. >45,000 people have been evacuated from Kelbadjar, 15,000 are still in >town. The fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government also hired mercenaries to slaughter Azeris this time. >The Armenian government says that the forces aren't from Armenia >but from Nagorno-Karabag. Heavy weapons and ordertaking >from France is the result.....Turkey's President, Turgut Ozal,says: >""If UN doesn't act then we may have to show our teeth before the > situation becomes worse."". Finally...about time... Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carl Christensen) Subject: 8 cards on a 6 card motherboard? Organization: Temple University Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] This may be the dumbest question of the year, but is there a way to 'piggyback' or expand a 6-slot motherboard (all 16-bit) to get the usual 8? My case has slots for 8, and I'd like to get a scanner, but with all my other cards I'm already max'd out! I'm hoping that a simple solution exists, e.g. an adapter that turns one slot into three. I don't mind if it turns it into 8-bit slots, as I can put my I/O card, MIDI card, and Soundblaster card there. My other cards are 16 bit (IDE/Floppy, SVGA, modem). If there is such an expander, does that screw up performance of everything else? I'd hate to buy a new motherboard! :-( -- Carl Christensen /~~\_/~\ ,,, Dept. of Computer Science christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu | #=#==========# | Temple University ""Curiouser and curiouser!"" - LC \__/~\_/ ``` Philadelphia, PA USA ";5;1 "From: neff123@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stephen Kearney) Subject: Re: NDW Norton Desktop for Windows Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu (NDW) >I would like to know how to STOP or uninstall this program!! If an Uninstall icon doesn't exist in the Norton Desktop Apps group: Run NDW's install program with /u. 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It is copywrited 1992 from Tyndale House Publishers. Sproul offers concise explanations, in simple language, of around 100 different Christian doctrines, grouped by subject. I think it would be particularly good for newer Christians (and older Christians suffering spiritual malnutrition), as it gives a Biblically sound basic treatment of the issues, avoiding long in-depth analysis that can wait until after you know the basics. --- Dave Weaver | ""He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com| gain what he cannot lose."" - Jim Elliot (1949) ";-1;0 "From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) Subject: Re: Flyers [Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...] Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Keywords: NHL, awards Lines: 67 In article <1993Apr15.190132.29787@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes: > So in other words, if Roussel shuts out the Sharks and Soderstrom shuts out > the Penguins, that's immaterial because it was the coaches decision? Come on, > Joe, think about what you're saying! Who they played is VERY significant. > Why they played them is what's irrelevent. A low GAA against good teams > is better than a low GAA against bad teams in the context of comparing two > goaltenders. A low GAA is better then a higher GAA. A low GAA against good > teams is much, much better than a higher GAA against bad teams in the context > of comparing two goaltenders. Let's start over. I'm not arguing about who is the better goaltender. I'd take Soderstrom right now. What I am saying is that Roussel can be a #1 netminder. The GAA difference is less than half a goal per game (less than that after last night), their save percentages are close, and their records are similar. And with that, I just don't see how you can label Roussel as the most disappointing player on the Flyers this season. You say Soderstrom played against better competition. That may very well be, but there is no way of knowing how Roussel would have performed in those games. Besides, against the better scoring teams like Pittsburgh, the defense is more keyed up than they are against San Jose. > The same > for Roussel in the Ranger game. Two real scoring chances, one he made a > great play, the other he was saved by a mistake from the other player. If > you were judging Roussel on that game alone, you have very little to go by. But I'm not just judging Roussel on that game alone. I've seen him play for the past two seasons in Philly and before that in Hershey. It's just my opinion, but I think he's got what it takes. Of course, I thought that about Mark LaForest, too. But I never did about Wendell Young. So I'm batting .500 in judging Hershey talent since the Hextall-era. As for the Rangers game, you can say he was saved by a mistake by the offensive player if you like. But Rou had his leg in position to make the save. If he didn't, it wouldn't have mattered if the Rangers player didn't get the puck up or not. It would have been a goal. On a breakaway that's what the goalie wants to do, take away as much as possible and force the shooter to beat him. > But if you were to look at the 0-0 tie against the Habs, you saw a goalie > stand on his head to get that shutout. THAT was a #1 goalie in action. Roussel > doesn't have a game like that in him. I seem to remember Roussel doing an excellent job against Pittsurgh on opening night to give the Flyers a tie against the two-time defending champs. And not to take anything away from Soderstrom because he was senational in that game agains the Habs. But you can't tell me that a Montreal player had an open net to shoot at some point during that game and just flat out missed it. Mistakes, both on offense and defense are part of the game. Or there'd never be shutouts. Anyway, I'm happy the Flyers have both Soderstrom and Roussel and I'm not going to argue about it anymore. Besides, with the current 7-game winning streak and expectations soaring for next year, I don't want to piss you off to the point that you don't sell me any tickets next season:-). \ \ Joe Dakes \/\ AT&T Microelectronics \/\ 555 Union Boulevard \ \ Allentown, PA 18103 LET'S GO FLYERS! alux1!jmd \ \ jmd@aluxpo.att.com \ \__________ \____/_//__/ ";13;1 "From: hkon@athena.mit.edu (Henry Kon) Subject: 83 tercel sunroof leaks - arrggh Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 14 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: e40-008-11.mit.edu IS there a simple way tooput these sunroofs out of their misery - do leaks tend to be from old gaskets ? or from inadequate mechanical seals - or all of the above ?? is there any way to halt the rain ? thanks hk -- Henry Bruno Kon office: 617-253-2781 (with machine) home: 617-625-3972 (with machine) ";-1;0 "From: Steffi.Beckhaus@newcastle.ac.uk (S. Beckhaus) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Nntp-Posting-Host: turing Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU. Lines: 47 In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au>, eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes: >In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: >> >>Dear friend, >> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has >>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase >>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >>computer architecture for more information about RISC. > >hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember >reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. >The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not >as orthogonal is CISC. > I hope this will clear it up : (Taken from one of my lecture notes) "" ... The alternative approach (to CISC), which has been adopted by many in recent years, has come to be known as ""RISC"": the Reduced Instruction Set Computer. This can be characterised simply as ""Simpler is Faster""; by simplifying the design (e.g. by reducing the variety of instructions & addressing modes), the hardware can be designed to run faster. Even at the cost of needing more instructions, the same task can be done more quickly by the simpler, faster design. A typical RISC processor will: o provide a large number of registers (e.g. 32); o perform all data operations on registers; o provide few addressing modes (e.g. immediate or 'register + offset'); o only allow load & store operations to access memory; o only use a few instruction formats; o only support a few data types (e.g. integer, unsigned, floating). Steffi Beckhaus JANET: Steffi.Beckhaus@uk.ac.newcastle If the odds are a million to one against something occurring, chances are 50-50 it will. ";-1;0 "From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: Who Says the Apostles Were Tortured? Lines: 9 The traditions of the church hold that all the ""apostles"" (meaning the 11 surviving disciples, Matthias, Barnabas and Paul) were martyred, except for John. ""Tradition"" should be understood to read ""early church writings other than the bible and heteroorthodox scriptures"". -- C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" ";9;1 "From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 22 In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: >1. The idea of providing financial incentives to selected >forms of partnership and marriage, is not conventional. However, >it is based on the concept of affirmative action, which is >recognized as a legitimate form of public policy to reverse the >perverse effects of segregation and discrimination. Other people have already shown this to be a rediculous proposal. however, I wanted to point out that there are many people who do not think that affirmative action is a either intelligent or productive. It is demeaning to those who it supposedly helps and it is discriminatory. Any proposal based on it is likely bunk as well. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow ";-1;0 "From: rda771v@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (A.B. Wuysang) Subject: Re: Hercules Graphite? Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 22 In article ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes: >In article <1993Apr06.185638.12139@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: > >>Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and >>Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I'd love to get a >>real-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support? > >The PC World reviewers found out that the Herc people had hard-coded >Winbench text into the driver. Clever, no? In any case, the Winbench >results are pretty much inflated. But the impressive performance of the Graphite was not its Winmark, it was its Wintach result (esp. the paint performance). Judging from the Wintach tests, I can hardly imagine that there is a cheat driver for it. +---------------------------------------------------+ | Agus Budy Wuysang | | Digitech Student | | Monash University (Clayton) | | Melbourne, Australia | +---------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: brr1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRANT RICHARD RITTER) Subject: computer graphics to vcr? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 15 HELP MY FRIEND AND I HAVE A CLASS PROJECT IN WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A COMPUTER ANIMATED MOVIE OF SORTS WITH THE DISNEY ANIMATION AND WOULD LIKE TO PUT WHAT WE HAVE ON A VCR IS THIS POSSIBLE? IS IT EASY AND RELATIVELY CHEAP? IF SO HOW? WE BOTH HAVE 386 IBM COMPATIBLES BUT ARE RELATIVELY CLUELESS WITH COMPUTERS IF YOU COULD HELP PLEASE DO. THANX. -- BRANT RITTER ----------------------------------------------------- moshing-- ""a cosmic cesspool of physical delight."" -A. Kiedas RHCP ----------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: The Right To Keep And Bear Arms (was: Re: Who's next?...) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 28 mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) writes: >st922957@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes: >:Just because someting was good once, does not mean it will be forever. >Yes, gone are the days when you can leave your house unlocked at night. >Well, it couldn't last forever. For the record, it wasn't until I came to college (excluding the times I went to Omaha or Council Bluffs for something) that I ever removed the keys from the ignition of my car! Come to think of it, it was only after I moved to Ames, Ia (pop 45K) that I ever took to locking my doors at night. I've discovered that $50K/year isn't worth living in fear all day. I might just move back to the farm. This weekend is Veishea. You know, when ISU students riot for no apparent reason. This year, we've the Farm Aid concert to add to the festivities. Anybody bet me there's another riot? Remember, Iowa law has three guys talking loud defined as a riot. Stay tuned for an on-the-scene report this weekend. < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > < ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > < USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > < unusual people. And flame them. > ";-1;0 "From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!) Lines: 17 slp9k@cc.usu.edu writes: > > I just want to point out that while I am fully in support of privacy, >it will be possible soon to have a completely secure ID card, useable in bank >transactions, medical, etc etc. There is no such thing as ""completely secure,"" especially when dealing with High Technology. It's all a question of cost: what cost are you willing to bear to protect your information vs. what rewards the ""bad guys"" are going to get if they break it. The rewards of breaking such a single ID system would be high indeed. =============================================================================== Tom Swiss/tms@cs.umd.edu | ""Born to die"" | Keep your laws off my brain! ""What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?"" - Nick Lowe This .sig contains no animal products and was not tested on animals. ""Time is just nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once."" ";-1;0 "From: se92psh@brunel.ac.uk (Peter Hauke) Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 20 joachim lous (joachim@kih.no) wrote: : ulrich@galki.toppoint.de wrote: : > Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from? Yep, here's a theory that I once heard bandied around. Rather than thinking of the number think of the sound. For Tea Two. A sort of anagram on Tea For Two, Two for Tea, For Tea Two. :-) Peter -- *********************************** * Peter Hauke @ Brunel University * *---------------------------------* * se92psh@brunel.ac.uk * *********************************** ";-1;0 "From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 14 If ""I forgot"" doesn't have as much credibility as you'd like, consider this alternative. Somewhere on the hard disk, duplicated a few times, keep a 128-bit random number. When the 128-bit digest of your passphrase is computed, it is XORred with the random number before being used as the key for your hard disk. Writing random junk over the random numbers makes the hard disk unreadable by anyone. Now, if you were merely to *claim* that you have written random junk over the XOR key, no-one would be able to tell whether or not you were telling the truth. This is (a) perjury, and (b) vunerable to rubber-hose cryptography, but otherwise effective. __ _____ \/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ // /\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus! ";16;1 "From: anthonyf@microsoft.com (Anthony Francisco) Subject: Re: Clipper and Ranting Libertarians Organization: Microsoft Corp. Keywords: clipper clinton rant rave libertarians Distribution: usa Lines: 11 Just a little nitpicking. Wasn't it the government that required a standard railway gauge ? Didn't that improve things ? Please don't misunderstand. I'm utter suspicious of this Clipper chip. Why hold the design TOP SECRET ? Was this a work around the law that says that any discoveries made by people working for the government is public domain. ( e.g. NIH Class Library, etc. ) DES has its designs published all over the place and it is considered fairly strong ( although could be stronger ). - Ants ";-1;0 "From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: Realistic PRO-34 Hand-held Scanner Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 11 I'd offer $150 for your scanner, shipping at your expense, payment to be sent by personal check within 24 hours after receipt of goods -- or if you live nearby and can deliver, payment in cash with 24 hour advance notice so I can go to the bank. If sent by mail, I reserve the right to return it at my expense if when I check it out I find it to be defective in some way. BTW, why would you sell such a fine scanner? Did you replace it with some other instrument or find it not to be satisfactory in some way? Mark Thorson ";-1;0 "From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: University of Rochester Distribution: inet In article sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: >Of course we can't hope (currently at least) to explain how or why >Kekule had the daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails. >Surely it wasn't the *only* daydream he had. What was special about >*this* one? Could it have had something to do with a perceived >*analogy* between the geometry of the snakes and problems concerning >geometry of molecules? Is such analogical reasoning ""extra-scientific""? >Or is it rather at the very heart of science (Perice's notion of abduction, >the use of models within and across disciplines)? Upon close examination, >is there a non-rational mystical leap taking place, or is it perhaps >closer to a formal (though often incomplete) analogy or model? I feel the need to repeat myself: Kekule's dream is a rather bad example of much of anything. Read Root-Bernstein's book on the history of the benzene ring. -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu ";-1;0 "From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: Red Barn Data Center Lines: 54 In article tbrent@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: ... >Give me a break! What fireman should have to deal with a blaze like that >AND get shot at at the same time. Nearly all of them. Witness LA> Firemen are among our real heroes most of the time. I wonder when they were actually aasked to come, or if they found out about the fire over the TV .... Shot at by whom? prove it! > >These people were breaking the law. I agree these weren't the best tactics, When ""law"" replaces ""justice"" the system is dying or dead. Note that we had a small revolution 216 years ago on this point. >they probably should have backed off, pulled the perimeter way back, and let >them sit there with no media attention until they decided to come out. The >only other alternative I see would have been to send in a couple of special >forces guys to capture or assassinate Koresh. But remember, these fruit- Or perhaps just wait. Or maybeeven send in a few agents who are Christian to sit down and pray outside the line? Try affinity rather than subversion? >loops were putting their lives on the lines voluntarily. Why should Chuckle. SO would you if someone points a gun at you. At that point you can die or live; and if living means stayng in a building to keep badge carrying nuts off your kids, I suspect you might as well. BOTH sides were wrong. >law-abiding citizens have to put themselves in any more danger than necessary >when dealing with a nut? Look at the man who jumped out of his Bradley to >grab a flaming women who was running back into the building. Yeah, I would >have to say they were trying to save those people. I don't think I would >risk my life that much to save someone that stupid that obviously didn't >even want to be saved. Try again: go see the movie Sophie's CHoice. Grow up. > >-Tim royc ";-1;0 "From: egerter@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Barry Egerter) Subject: Where's DMORF? Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada Distribution: usa Keywords: DMORF Nntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca Lines: 26 Could anyone direct me to the FTP site where I can find the DOS-based morphing package called DMORF12.ZIP? I had downloaded this file last week, but the new DOS 6 crashed my hard drive and I lost it. Now I can't find the site where I got it from....... 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However, when all the dust settled, and I go into windows, it says that the temporary swap file is right where it always was, in the Windows directory. My question is: How come the temporary swap files works OK with a compressed drive, and the permanent one doesn't? you might want to look in windows FAQ for this one, but here is my best explanation. But I can't guarantee that I'm not way off base... The permenant swap file is read/written to by windows by talking directly to the hard disk controller card. The controller card must use the protocal set up by western digital (or something like that). Windows creates a file called spart.par in your windows directory that points to that file. It then uses the physical information about your disk to index to information in that file. compressed disks are actually ""logical"" disks. These disks have different characteristics than the actual physical disk. Furthermore, the information on the compressed disks must be uncompressed before it is used. (i.e it must go through the decompression program that traps disk reads at the operating system level or the BIOS level). Because of this ""inbetween"" program, windows cannot use direct methods to read from the ""logical"" disk. a permenant swap file is only there to ""reserve"" an area of the disk that windows can use and to block that space from DOS. Windows would theoretically not even have to access the file from DOS to use that disk space. (I don't know if it does or doesn't...but it checks for it somewhere everytime you boot windows.) a temporary swap file is just a normal DOS file that is accessed by windows via DOS and the BIOS. If a disk compression program or other TSR is loaded the file access must go through DOS...TSR'S (disk compression)...and BIOS in order to be access. (i.e. NEVER USE A TEMPORARY SWAP FILE...NEVER) more on permenent swap files... i'm sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk has seen the message ""you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested size...windows will only use the size suggested...do you wan't to create this swap file anyway"" or something like that. well, a friend of mine (ROBERT) called microsoft and asked them what and why. what they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and divides that number by 2. Then it checks for the largest contiguous block of free disk space. Windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers. They also said that under absolutely no circumstances...NONE!...will windows uses a swap file larger than the suggested size. Well...that's what he said! I call bull@#$#. If this is true why does windows report the memory is available to me if it's not going to use it? any takers? James (if this doesn't get to the net, will someone post it for me? thanks) ";-1;0 "From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division Lines: 27 <1993Apr20.150531.2059@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-reply-to: smb@research.att.com's message of Wed, 21 Apr 1993 13:23:18 GMT >I don't like the unit key generation process any better than you do. >However -- S1 and S2 are supposed to be under control of the same >escrow agents. If they can't be trusted to keep the seed values secure, >they can't be trusted to keep the half-keys secure. I hope there is something I don't understand about this system, but can someone tell me how these chips are going to be manufactured while maintaining each half key under total control of the separate escrow agencies? Don't both halfs of the key have to come together (in some form) at the time the chip is constructed? Or is it built like a fusable prom, with the chip being sent to the 1st escrow agency to program its 1/2 key, then the 2nd agency to program its 1/2 key (but who invents the safeguards that prevent the 2nd agency from reading the information already programmed by the 1st)? This isn't intended to be a flame or anything, I am just really curious how to manufacture these things while still maintaining the key escrow security without simply saying ""trust the manufacturer, they won't look"". -- ====================================================================== domain: tahorsley@csd.harris.com USMail: Tom Horsley uucp: ...!uunet!hcx1!tahorsley 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach, FL 33444 +==== Censorship is the only form of Obscenity ======================+ | (Wait, I forgot government tobacco subsidies...) | +====================================================================+ ";-1;0 "From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!! Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: usa Lines: 29 In article <1993Apr14.133413.1499@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >In article bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes: >>Bzzzzt. It was me. Until I discovered my SR250 Touring Bike has a >>nifty little cache on it for things like coins or lipstick. The >>new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick >>in my jacket pocket. Life is _so_ hard. :-) > > Am I the only denizen who thinks that the Natural Look is the best >look? The thought of kissing that waxy shit smeared all over a woman's lips >is a definite turn-off... So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the ""natural look"" or the ""waxy shit"" category? I wear something on my lips to keep them from drying out. Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either. > Not that I'll ever be kissing Beth or Noemi... ;-) Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't! Noemi speaks for herself. Beth ================================================================= Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon bethd@netcom.com 1981 Yamaha SR250 ""Excitable Girl"" DoD #0384 1979 Yamaha SR500 ""Spike the Garage Rat"" FSSNOC #1843 1992 Ducati 750SS AMA #631903 1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project 1KQSPT = 1.8 ""I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."" -- ZZ Top ================================================================= ";-1;0 "From: moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarhdd Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Lines: 47 Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: : sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: : : >Similarly, people usually use dB for dBm. Another common mistake is spelling : >``db'' instead of ``dB'' as you did in your article. See the ``B'' is for : >``Bell'' company, the mother of AT&T and should be capitalized. : : Thus, a deciBell (deci-, l., tenth of + Bell) is a fractional part of the : original Bell. For example, SouthWestern Bell is a deciBell. Out of what hat did you pull this one? dB is a ratio not an RBOC! : And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company : and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by : simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets : were affected by the amount of current running through the wires. Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use. : The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus : our use of the Ohms... I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right. : : Alexander Graham Bell, actually, is where Bell came from... Well you got one thing right! : : : : Actually, Bel refers : : > With highest regards, : > Babak Sehari. : : >-- : -- : Joseph Chiu | josephc@cco.caltech.edu ""OS/2: You gotta get this thing!"" : MSC 380 - Caltech | : Pasadena, CA 91126 | OS/2: The operating system of tomorrow, today. : +1 818 449 5457 | Greg Moffatt Bell-Northern Research Inc., Ottawa Canada ""My opinions; not BNR's"" ";-1;0 "From: mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com >I mean, if we can imagine the >machine that does 1 trial/nanosecond, we can imagine the storage medium >that could index and archive it. I think you'd have to do some massive data compression just to fit a bit of key information on each primary particle of the known universe. But, hey, it's fun to imagine. mjr. ";-1;0 "From: ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) Subject: Frequent nosebleeds Reply-To: ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 18 I have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week, as a result of a genetic predisposition to weak capillary walls (Osler-Weber-Rendu). Fortunately, each nosebleed is of short duration. Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger brothers each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their nosebleeds soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin that is supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, or other techniques. -- Robert Allison Ottawa, Ontario CANADA ";-1;0 "From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: Florida State University Lines: 13 > [Again, in the normal Protestant interpretation, Sunday is not a law, > and worshipping on another day is not a sin. Churches are free to > decide on the day they will meet, just as they are free to decide on > the hour. It would not be a sin to worship on some other day, but if > you belong to a church that worships on Sunday and you show up on > Monday, you will probably worship alone... --clh] I totally agree with that sentiment. But why do you have to go further and advocate violating what God has set up? That is the question which you have not answered from Scripture. You can worship on every day, as long as you work. But God says the Sabbath is all mine. Darius ";17;1 "From: zaphod@src4src.linet.org (Steve Wechsler) Subject: VGA card for fixed-frequency monitor Organization: The Source for Source Lines: 19 X-Standard-Disclaimer: I probably don't speak for src4src.linet.org. Has anyone connected a high-res, fixed frequency monitor to their PC? I have a mitubishi monitor that does 1024x768 at 60hz, but won't do any other resolutions. All the video cards designed for this sort of thing are very expensive (>$400). Has anyone done it with an SVGA card (I know it can be done, it's just a question of getting the card at the right resolution and frequency)? I'd like to use a mono (hercules) monitor as my dos/command line monitor, and switch to the mitsu for Windows or X-windows (under Linux or 3BSD). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. E-mail, please. Thanks, -- Steve Wechsler | zaphod@src4src.linet.org | Call Lady Hawke's Castle BBS: Please respond to my queries via e-mail (post also if you like) | 516-226-4630 because my site purges news much faster than I can keep up with it. This message was made from 100% recycled materials. ";-1;0 "From: wlyle@sju.edu (Wayne Lyle) Subject: Driver for DataFrame XP60+B Organization: St. Joseph's University Lines: 14 I am in need of the Driver for the Bernoulli Cartridge on a DataFrame XP60+B. The hard disk on the system got fried and I haven't been able to locate the original disks. If anyone has it or know where I can get this please let me know via e-mail. Thanks in advance. Wayne Lyle -- Wayne J. Lyle Dilworth, Paxson, Kalish & Kauffman Philadelphia, PA 19109 ";-1;0 "From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) Subject: Re: PC/Geos, Windows, OS/2, and Unix/X11 Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 58 In sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: >--- >With my limited knowladge about the PC Geos, I came out with following >comparison: > PC Geos Windows OS/2 Unix/X11 > ________ _______ ____ _______ >2. can run win > programs nop yap yap nop ^ Novell is at least demoing windows apps running under UNIXWare. >5. can run unix nop I have not nop yap > heard of it ^ ^ Try MKS. MKS & others, esp. EMX Note here: the MKS toolkit (for DOS/Windows & OS/2) gives you a good suite of standard UNIX utilities. There are other similar systems from other vendors as well. The EMX system for OS/2 gives you most of the standard UNIX system calls for recompiling your UNIX programs under OS/2. Not quite the same thing as actually running UNIX programs directly in either case, but EMX makes OS/2 almost as compatible with UNIX systems as many UNIX systems are with each other. And, best of all, EMX is free. :-) There is a similar system (GO32) for DOS, but it doesn't work with Windows, as far as I know. >7. price $120 $70 $120 free-$1000s > A good one > costs $400-$700 > avaliable on Ext. > card too. Should add in the cost for DOS with both Geos and Windows, neither of which is a standalone OS at this point. Neither OS/2 nor UNIX requires DOS. BTW, two of the best unices I've seen for the pee cee are UNIXWare ($300 for the personal edition) and LINUX (free). So I don't agree that ""a good one costs $400-$700."" :-) And, if you really want to check out the various options available to you, you should also look into DESQview and DESQview/X. cheers -- Chris Waters | the insane don't |""Judy's in the bedroom, xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers | Inventing situations."" -D. Byrne ";-1;0 "From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Insane Gun-toting Wackos Unite!!! Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: na Lines: 38 In article <1576@heimdall.sdrc.com> crrob@sony1.sdrc.com (Rob Davis) writes: > Do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self-inflicted gun- > shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters? No, but I have several other breakdowns of accidental shootings. I've never seen one that specifically provides the info that Davis insists that he has, so I'd love to have a cite. >If you fall, for example, > and land on the handgun or cause a sudden blow, the gun will discharge. Wrong. There's one gun design where that can happen, and it is supposed to be carried with the hammer over an unloaded chamber. (Cocking the gun turns the cylinder so that a loaded cylinder is under the hammer. In other words, it can be usefully carried in a safe manner.) Other handgun designs don't have that property; if their trigger isn't pulled, the hammer can't hit the firing pin. > The number of people killed in this manner far outweighs the number of > deaths caused by animal attacks or ""wacko"" attacks combined. The breakdowns that I do have include the above category. From them I can safely say that if Davis is right in ALL of his claims, a large negative number of people are killed by animals, because we know that the number of killings by wackos is reasonably large and that the number of accidents due to gun failures (which is a superset of the described circumstance) is near zero. >I can find the figures if you don't believe me. Please do. Include a cite for those of us who like looking at context. Make sure that your source excludes other types of accidents and suicides that are misreported. (""Gun cleaning accident"" is police-speak for ""the family needs the insurance money."") -andy -- ";-1;0 "From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Hasit Mehta) Subject: New '94 Talon????? Keywords: Regal Fiberglass parts ?? Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) Lines: 12 In article: Is there such a thing as the new '94 Eagle Talon? I heard from a freind that the new '94 Talons have been released? Is this true and if so what are the differences between the '93 and '94? Any opinions? I would appreciate any replies and I would also prefer E-mail, thanks! -- Hasit S. Mehta **************************** University of Rochester * PRIMUS SUCKS! * hm002b@UHURA.CC.ROCHESTER.EDU **************************** ______""I do believe in Captain Crunch, for I am the frizzle fry""______ ";-1;0 "From: thssjxy@iitmax.iit.edu (Smile) Subject: FORSALE: Used Guitar amp. Article-I.D.: iitmax.1993Apr15.223158.15645 Distribution: usa Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology Lines: 14 Two years old Crate Guitar Amplifier model G80XL. - Handles upto 80 Watts. - Dual Input. - Two channels. - Reverb. - Three band eq. - Distortion. I am asking $150. (send me a mail to ""thssjxy@iitmax.acc.iit.edu"" if you are interested.) Prices maybe negotiable. ";-1;0 "From: st1rp@rosie.uh.edu (Schwam, David S.) Subject: Re: Astros Are Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Organization: University of Houston Lines: 80 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) writes... >Keeping in line with the pessimists on the net, I'll hold off on the Astros >being all the way back. They could indeed contend, but that would count on > 1) Atlanta encountering some unforeseen problems, such as injuries or keeping > up their early season abysmal hitting. While Atlanta has the undisputed best starting rotation, I feel that their relief staff may be suspect. They don't have a real closer -- although Mike Stanton (4 saves) has been used in that role. Didn't Stanton start off great last year and then falter? Despite this, your point is well taken. Atlanta doesn't seem to have the same personality as a NY team, thus is unlikely to self-destruct. For Houston to take 'em, Atlanta needs to suffer some injuries, particularly to their starting rotation. > 2) Astros relief corps holding together. If Doug Jones keeps his changeup > effective and Xavier Hernandez can be effective, then it's passable. > There's no reasonable left-handed help, and the middle relief is iffy. > Tom Edens was expected to take over the Joe Boever setup man role, but > he's been injured, and he was an expansion team acquisition anyway. > Houston thought that Boever would demand too much money, so they let him > go. Doug Jones can lose his touch - he went from Cleveland's all-star > closer to the minors in a pretty short span. From what I understand, Boever and Murphy were considered expendable by the club. Houston felt that their positions could be filled by a number of players.. Art Doug Jones is the key to Houston's success. He must have another great year for Houston to challenge in the NL West. lousey spring. > closer to the minors in a pretty short span. Right! A strong rotation will take the pressure off of the troubling bullpen. > bit of shakiness at the fifth starter slot (but that's basically normal). > 4) Taubensee, Anthony, Gonzalez, and Cedeno fulfilling some hitting potential. > Anthony appears to be about there, Taubensee's swing looks a lot better > this year (solid knock against Expos last night), Gonzalez is showing > some early power, and Cedeno still has the loopiest swing this side of > Tim Wallach. The unsuspected strength of the lower part of the order has saved the club so far. Biggio and Finley just aren't doing their job of getting on base. Instead of filling his role as an RBI man, Bagwell has had to assume Biggio and Finley's job. Biggio concerns me, since he usually starts the season very strong. * * * * * * On a side note, are you at all concerned with the rumors concerning next year's uniform? There is talk that their road uniform will be (blech..) traditional grey, with the word ""HOUSTON"" written across the chest. If I'm not mistaken, their home uniforms may totally eliminate the color orange (shiver..). McLane's favorite color is red, so... I'm really upset.. the current unforms are dull and the new ones sound horrible. I'd like to see the uniform of the mid-1980s return. They may not have been pretty, but Houston had established a long precident of wearing the ugliest uniforms in baseball -- and I liked it. >end of the bargain (remember two years ago? a little relief goes a long way), >then they COULD win 90 games. But, I doubt it. I'll project them at 85 wins. > >Astros fan since the days of Staub, Morgan, Jackson, Aspromonte, Dierker, ... >-- >Marc Stephenson IBM AWS (Advanced Workstations & Systems - Austin,TX) >DISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position. >INTERNET->marc@austin.ibm.com VNET: MARC at AUSVMQ IBM T/L: 678-3189 Astros fan since the days of Ryan, Scott, Smith, Cruz, Davis, Bass, Hatcher... --- --- --- --- --- --- David S. Schwam University of Houston st1rp@jetson.uh.edu --- --- --- --- --- --- ";-1;0 "From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department Lines: 17 In article <1rambk$cee@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes: >ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: [Andi's posting deleted...] Hamaza's only comment is: >Well said Mr. Beyer :) Andi, when you get the full-fledged support of Hamaza Salah, you know you're on the wrong track. -- Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. ";-1;0 "From: aaronc@athena.mit.edu (Aaron Bryce Cardenas) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 45 news@cbnewsk.att.com writes: >Arrogance is arrogance. It is not the result of religion, it is the result >of people knowing or firmly believing in an idea and one's desire to show >others of one's rightness. I assume that God decided to be judge for our >sake as much as his own, if we allow him who is kind and merciful be the >judge, we'll probably be better off than if others judged us or we judged >ourselves. ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ 1 Cor 11:31-32 ""But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment. When we are judged by the ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ Lord, we are being discipled so that we will not be condemned with the world."" 1 Cor 5:3 ""Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present."" ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ 1 Cor 2:15-16 ""The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not ^^^^^^^^^ subject to any man's ^^^ judgement: 'For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?' But we have the mind of Christ."" Jude :14-15 ""Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: 'See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to ^^^^ convict all the ungodly of ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.'"" Arrogance is a sin. Although a desire to show others of one's rightness may be a sign of arrogance in some cases, it may be only a sign that they are following the Bible in others: Jude :22-23 ""Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with ^^^^^^ fear -- hating ^^^^ even ^^^^ the clothing stained by corrupted flesh."" >If I find someone arrogant, I typically don't have anything to do with them. I hope you don't find me arrogant, then. This sounds like a bad practice -- ignoring what certain people say because you perceive them as arrogant. James 1:19 ""My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,"" - Aaron ";-1;0 "From: pinky@tamu.edu (The Man behind The Curtain) Subject: Views on isomorphic perspectives? Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 87 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu Keywords: isomorphic perspectives I'm working upon a game using an isometric perspective, similar to that used in Populous. Basically, you look into a room that looks similar to the following: xxxx xxxxx xxxx xxxx x xxxx xxxx x xxxx xxxx 2 xxxx 1 xxxx x xxxx xxxx x x xxxx xxxx x x xxxx o xxxx x xxxx 3 /|\ xxxx xxxx /~\ xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx The good thing about this perspective is that you can look and move around in three dimensions and still maintain your peripheral vision. [*] Since your viewpoint is always the same, the routines can be hard-coded for a particular vantage. In my case, wall two's rising edge has a slope of 1/4. (I'm also using Mode X, 320x240). I've run into two problems; I'm sure that other readers have tried this before, and have perhaps formulated their own opinions: 1) The routines for drawing walls 1 & 2 were trivial, but when I ran a packed->planar image through them, I was dismayed by the ""jaggies."" I'm now considered some anti-aliasing routines (speed is not really necessary). Is it worth the effort to have the artist draw the wall already skewed, thus being assured of nice image, or is this too much of a burden? 2) Wall 3 presents a problem; the algorithm I used tends to overly distort the original. I tried to decide on paper what pixels go where, and failed. Has anyone come up with method for mapping a planar to crosswise sheared shape? Currently I take: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 and produce: 1 2 3 4 33 34 35 36 17 18 19 20 5 6 7 8 49 50 51 52 37 38 39 40 21 22 23 24 9 10 11 12 53 54 55 56 41 42 43 44 25 26 27 28 13 14 15 16 57 58 59 60 45 46 47 48 29 30 31 32 61 62 63 64 Line 1 follows the slope. Line 2 is directly under line 1. Line 3 moves up a line and left 4 pixels. Line 4 is under line 3. This fills the shape exactly without any unfilled pixels. But it causes distortions. Has anyone come up with a better way? Perhaps it is necessary to simply draw the original bitmap already skewed? Are there any other particularly sticky problems with this perspective? I was planning on having hidden plane removal by using z-buffering. Locations are stored in (x,y,z) form. [*] For those of you who noticed, the top lines of wall 2 (and wall 1) *are* parallel with its bottom lines. This is why there appears to be an optical illusion (ie. it appears to be either the inside or outside of a cube, depending on your mood). There are no vanishing points. This simplifies the drawing code for objects (which don't have to change size as they move about in the room). I've decided that this approximation is alright, since small displacements at a large enough distance cause very little change in the apparent size of an object in a real perspective drawing. Hopefully the ""context"" of the picture (ie. chairs on the floor, torches hanging on the walls) will dispell any visual ambiguity. Thanks in advance for any help. -- Till next time, \o/ \o/ V \o/ V email:pinky@tamu.edu <> Sam Inala <> V ";-1;0 "From: farrar@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Scott Farrar) Subject: Re: Caps Lock vs. control ( was:Re: Apple keyboard ) Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 9 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.ucsd.edu Please excuse and redirect me if this has already been answered, but is there a small utility that switches the functionality of the caps-lock key and the ctrl key on the powerbook keyboard? I use the ctrl key far more than caps-lock, so it would be more convenient and comfortable. Thank you for any help, Scott Farrar ";0;1 "From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Lines: 38 In article geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article <1993Apr22.001642.9186@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > >>>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back >>>>>the lost weight does not constitute ""weight rebound"" until it >>>>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that >>>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers? >>>> >>>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987 >>>> >>>Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive >>>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-) >> >>I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to >>study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom. >> > >Good story, Chuck, but it won't wash. I have read the NY Acad Sci >one (and have it). This AM I couldn't find any reference to >""weight rebound"". I'm not saying it isn't there, but since you >cited it, it is your responsibility to show me where it is in there. >There is no index. I suspect you overstepped your knowledge base, >as usual. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and >geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's on page 315, about 2 1/2 inches up from the bottom and an inch in from the right. At least we know what some people *haven't* read and remembered. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ Omen Technology Inc ""The High Reliability Software"" 17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406 ";-1;0 "From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: [long]: Gun Hearings Day in Massachusetts (April 7) Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 263 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com [This is a co-authored report from two of us who were there.] Gun Owners Action League, our state rifle association, started the day with a rally in the secluded courtyard behind the statehouse at 9:30. It was looking sparse (about 40 people) until the speaker began, whereupon about 120 more people followed the loudspeakers from wherever they had been lost, and filled out the area something proud. Mike Yacino of GOAL spoke. One of his best throwaway lines was to remind us that all of us holders of carry permits there had been checked and certified clear of all crimes by the state; while the people in the Statehouse behind us only had to be certified clean of ""election fraud"" to hold their jobs. Nancy Snow and Amos Hamburger were busy handing out ID buttons and sheets describing all the bills to be presented at the hearings, and telling people where to find their own representatives (and in too many cases, who they were). Mike warned us that the committee was going to suspend its rules and discuss a bill that hadn't made it onto the official list. It seems a delegation of students from Simon's Rock of Bard College (alma mater of Wayne Lo, who shot up the place with an SKS late last year) was being bussed in to testify for a bill to ban all sales of firearms or ammo to anyone who is not a state resident. The hearings were originally scheduled in the (large) Gardner Auditorium at 10:30, but that had been pre-empted by the Governor's hearings on the Framingham Eight (women in prison for killing abusive husbands, and seeking release). So we had until 1:30 to buttonhole our representatives, after which we would be squashed into an inadequate hearing room. One of my representatives' staffers was somewhat offensively smarmy. He said, ""Oh, it must be gun hearings day again! The gun lobby is always so organized every year."" I got a little pissed, and replied, ""I'm not from the gun lobby -- I'm from your district."" At 12:30, your second reporter arrived in time to notice a demonstration going on in front of the statehouse (where the pro-gunners weren't). Randy Price from the TV News was there, in his mirror reflective shades, talking to one of the anti-gun types, and several Simon's Rock anti-gun ""close-the-loophole"" protestors. (Earlier, Randy had covered the GOAL rally.) The room we had been assigned seated about 50. Remember, there were about 160 gun owners there, plus another 20-30 students and teachers from Bard. One of us had already reserved a seat; the other never got closer than the atrium outside -- and there was a crowd behind HIM. A cop took up station at the entrance and prevented the rest of the crowd from coming in. Soon after the debate started, a loudspeaker was set up outside in the hall for the benefit of everyone else. Everyone who was there (inside and outside) got to sign up on a sheet saying what their position was on which bills. Most of us signed up to ""support GOAL's position"" on ""all bills."" First, because of their time constraints, public officials got to testify. And first up was the bill that nobody had seen (the students had some curfew, I guess). Currently, Massachusetts law allows a non-resident to purchase long guns or ammo from a local dealer provided he complies with the laws of his own state. Previously, the law was similar, but applied only to non-residents from states adjoining Massachusetts. The Simon's Rock folks called the current law a ""loophole"" and wanted it closed. Two of their reps spoke about Wayne Lo and his ""SKS assault rifle."" The second one, Hodgekiss, a co-sponsor, had done his homework so well that he kept confusing Montana (Wayne Lo's home state) with Missouri, and became belligerent when about five gun owners in the gallery corrected him after his second muff. Carr, from Gloucester, claimed that the new bill would put the law back the way it was, but he was lying: the new bill allows purchases by non-residents of adjoining states ONLY if they have licensing in their own state ""as strong as"" that in Massachusetts. Since none of them do, that's that. Some of the things these two said were really offensive. ""In some of these other states, anyone can buy a gun as long as he's breathing!"" (Oooooo!) ""We have some very, very good gun laws in Massachusetts; if only the other states would adopt the same type of laws, we wouldn't be having this situation -- but they won't."" (Naughty, naughty!) Next up was Boston city councilman Albert ""Dapper"" O'Neill. He was there to testify pro-gun, but in some ways he was a liability. He's reasonably elderly and tends to wander and repeat himself, plus he's almost a caricature of a law-n-order politician. He badmouthed the ACLU, said violent criminals should be executed, and that if he were judge, he'd give arrestees their ""last rights"" (pun intended) on the spot (at which many of the gun owners applauded, which bothered me.) He said that all the proposed gun restrictions were a step in the right direction -- for the criminals. He said this FOUR times :-( Two of the bills under consideration would allow police to rescind a CCW or FID, and confiscate all your guns, if someone had filed a restraining order against you. (Note that the filing of a restraining order requires no warrant, no hearing, no evidence, and no conviction -- just an accusation.) Senator Barrett of Reading testified in favor of it, and patronized the pro-gunners there several times by saying, ""I'm sure all the gun owners here will agree with me that we have to get these weapons out of the hands of people that our courts have convicted."" I haven't seen such a disgustingly disingenuous performance since Nixon whined that he wasn't a crook. Barrett also spoke in favor of the bill making the FID card renewable every five years, instead of permanent as it is now. The stated purpose is to remove FID cards from those who have become ineligible. ""Revenue has nothing to do with it."" (Yeah, right.) Apparently, some congressmen think we're stupid enough to swallow the argument that it's preferable to process 1.6 million renewals every cycle in the vague hope of catching a recent felon than to simply take the goddamn card away from a criminal at conviction time. As usual, hassle the law-abiding instead of the crook. The two co-chairs of the committee were Rep. Caron and Sen. Jujuga. Jujuga didn't say much (he was a co-sponsor of both ""restraining order"" bills) but Caron struck me as a sharp guy that wouldn't let any bad logic or lies on the part of either side to go unchallenged. (He was a co-sponsor of one of the ""restraining order"" bills as well.) One of the younger reps on the committee (forgot his name) was vociferously pro-gun, somewhat embarrassingly so. His heart was in the right place, but his arguments seemed to be confined to, ""every year it's the same damn thing, you come in here with this crap..."" It's nice to have a friend on the committee, but he could have been more effective. At about 3:00, it was clear that the hall-jam couldn't continue. Someone came out of another meeting hall and yelled at the cop because the loudspeaker was disturbing their meeting, so the loudspeaker was disconnected. So they found a bigger hall upstairs. One of us had to leave to catch his charter bus, and so missed the ""public"" testimony; the other got a seat this time. Caron began by talking about how he got his FID 16 years ago, left the state, and then returned without notifying them of his address change. He complained that the state record system was not up-to-date and that his PD back in his city of birth still thought he lived there. Great quote: ""If you purchase a gun today, it will not get into the state computer system until 1999."" (This was also an argument he used against the renewable FID card.) Testimony was heard from several ""battered women,"" one of whom had been attacked by some guy in his 20's who had an FID card because he got it when he was 15 or thereabouts. They used a lot of emotion and said how they were scared of these men. A staffer of Attorney General Harshbarger testified in favor of this anti-gun bill, saying how 50,000 restraining orders were granted last year, and how these women needed to be protected. Caron noted that a restraining order was granted for 10 days, and then a hearing was held to determine whether the order would be extended to a year. He asked whether she would be satisfied if the FID were revoked at the time of this hearing rather than after the initial issuance of the FID. She gave some long rambling circumlocution in response. Then testimony against the bill was heard. Mike Yacino (who looks something like Einstein) got up and made the point that restraining orders were issued on too little evidence, that judges like to issue restraining orders just to let things cool off no matter who they think is right (man or woman), and that the hearings for restraining orders are lightning sessions with little time to consider facts. Atty. Karen McNutt spoke with him a few times during his testimony. Other pro-gunners got up to testify. One said he had had to file a restraining order against a tenant to clear her out, and that she countered by filing one against him! He noted that this would have allowed the state to confiscate his guns if the new bill became law. One of the junior reps noted that ""this is America"" and we have to be certain that individual rights are respected. Senator Jujuga reiterated this, saying that ""people who abuse smaller people can go to Hell as far as I care, but we have to be careful about equating conviction with a restraining order."" (Point and match, Senator.) Another pro-gunner got up and testified that he didn't know his citizenship ""expired every 5 years,"" and that a driver's license was a privilege, not a right like the right to keep and bear arms. A third got up and said the problem was with the criminal justice system, and argued in favor of a death penalty bill and public hangings. Senator Jujuga said he had himself tried to get a death penalty bill passed, and joking responded that he, too, favored public hangings. The speaker then responded, ""I'll make you a deal. You get me the rope, and I'll tie the noose."" Next came public testimony on the Simon's Rock bill. A teacher testified that she had been the teacher of Wayne Lo, and that ""he wouldn't have been able to shoot people inside a building while he was outside"" without his evil gun. She said that the ""loophole"" should be closed to prevent something like this from ""ever happening again"". Four or five other kids testified in favor of this bill, one of spilling tears for the good legislators. One of the students actually shot by Wayne Lo was also there. Many of them had T shirts on, saying, ""As long as one person can buy a gun in anger, none of us are safe -- support gun control."" The committee was reluctant to grill or correct the kids, except for Caron, who corrected one student who had claimed that anyone could apply for an FID. ""Only residents can get FID's,"" he said. (How much do you want to bet that this kid had no idea he had been conned into testifying for a bill that would cut out-of-staters completely off?) Yacino and McNutt spoke again, this time noting that the bill as written would affect both ammo AND ALL guns possessed by out-of-staters. Karen also noted that hunters in CT, NH, and VT could be put away for a year if they wandered across the MA boundary somewhere in the woods and got challenged by game wardens. Yacino underscored the fact that Lo COULD have gotten an FID as a resident student -- and, hell, even an CCW, as he had NO criminal or mental record. One junior rep was upset that it would take MA residents longer to buy a gun than out-of-staters, and thought it was ""elitist"". Another (Caron?) said that we need the protection of preventing non-residents from buying without an FID because only two other states in the union had ""FID-type"" cards, so complying with all the laws of one's home state was ""not enough."" One pro-gun speaker replied that this resembled a mother watching her son in a marching band and exclaiming, ""Everyone's out of step but Johnny!"" All the Bard College people were filing out as the pro-gun testimony for this bill was made, and thus only pro-gunners were around when the other bills came under consideration. The main bills remaining (and GOAL's position) were: o H.4375 and four others: Notify police chiefs so they can pull licenses when a holder is convicted (strongly supported) o H.1732: Require trigger locks on all handguns sold (opposed) o H.962: Require trigger locks on all loaded firearms (strongly opposed) o H.1350: Allow every municipality to enact their own gun laws (opposed) o H.1731: Fund bullet-proof vests for municipal police (supported) o S.1097: State Constitutional Amendment for the RKBA (supported) o Several on police discretion in the issuance of FID cards (opposed) o Several altering non-resident license conditions (supported) o H.1135: Ban damn near all guns everywhere in the state (guess!) Some of these took only 30 seconds to consider, as the remaining pro-gunners raised hands in unison either for or against them. Mike Yacino noted that, besides the danger in screwing with a trigger lock on a loaded gun, that bill would make it illegal for a licensee to carry his concealed handgun unless it were locked. Caron blew right through H.1350 when he saw that we opposed it. Again, he brought up the state's archaic records capability and said, ""This would create hundreds of different licensing systems."" The session ran late -- since it was the last scheduled hearing, it could not be adjourned until everyone who wanted to had testified. It ended at about 6:30. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... ";3;1 "From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) Subject: Re: few video questions Organization: Olivetti North America, Spokane, WA Lines: 28 In article <7480224@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes: >situation sometimes called ""block"" sync). You can generate such a combined >(or ""composite"") sync in two simple ways - OR the H. and V. syncs together, >which gives you the non-serrated ""block"" sync, or EXOR them, which makes >serrations. (Try it!) Actually, the EXOR doesn't really do kosher serrated >sync, since it puts the rising (and falling, for that matter) edge of the H. >sync pulse off by a pulse width. But that usually makes no difference. Sometimes. It depends on your monitor and your timing. If you don't have enough vertical front porch and you use XOR composite sync you can get even/odd tearing at the top of the screen, which is very sensitive to the HHOLD control. It looks like what you would expect if you scanned the even fields (say) onto a sheet of mylar and had pinched the upper left corner with your fingers and started to tear it off the tube. With proper composite sync (equalizing pulses) the interlace is rock solid. -- +----------------+ ! II CCCCCC ! Jim Cathey ! II SSSSCC ! ISC-Bunker Ramo ! II CC ! TAF-C8; Spokane, WA 99220 ! IISSSS CC ! UUCP: uunet!isc-br!jimc (jimc@isc-br.isc-br.com) ! II CCCCCC ! (509) 927-5757 +----------------+ One Design to rule them all; one Design to find them. One Design to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. In the land of Mediocrity where the PC's lie. ";-1;0 "From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible) Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion In-Reply-To: rwert@well.sf.ca.us's message of 21 Apr 93 01:07:56 GMT Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center Reply-To: raible@nas.nasa.gov Distribution: na Lines: 22 In article rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes: I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja. This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride (read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans). I'd say this is a very bad idea - you should start out with something much mellower so that neither one of you get in over your head. That particular road requires full concentration - not the sort of thing you want to take a passenger on for the first time. Once you both decide that you like riding together, and want to do something longer and more challenging, *then* go for a hard core road like Mines-Mt. Hamilton. In any case, it's *your* (moral) responsibility to make sure that she has proper gear that fits - especially if you're going sport riding. - Eric ";-1;0 "From: norris@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Chonak) Subject: Re: tuff to be a Christian? Reply-To: norris@mit.edu Organization: l'organisation, c'est moi Lines: 15 In article , mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) writes: |> |> Parting Question: |> Would you have become a Christian if you had not |> been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about |> any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim |> you are brain washed. You write as if no-one ever became a Christian except people from Christian families. This is not true, as quite a few people on this group can attest (including me). -- Richard Aquinas Chonak, norris@mit.edu, Usenet addict, INTP Seeking job change: sys-mgr: VAX, SIS, COBOL, DTR; progr: UNIX, C/++, X ";-1;0 "From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Bill Conner: Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 6 Could you explain what any of this pertains to? Is this a position statement on something or typing practice? And why are you using my name, do you think this relates to anything I've said and if so, what. Bill ";-1;0 "From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. Lines: 58 In article , sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: |> So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire |> on their house, killing most of the people inside. |> I would hardly consider the BD's to be Christian. They were acting in direct contradiction to scripture. Jesus' Second Coming is something that everyone will know of. Jesus also predicted that there will be false Messiahs who will use His name. His prophecy has been fulfilled. |> I'm not that annoyed about the adults, they knew supposedly what |> they were doing, and it's their own actions. |> |> What I mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside, |> including mothers, let the children suffer and die during awful |> conditions. |> I agree with you there. |> If this is considered religious following to the end, I'm proud |> that I don't follow such fanatical and non-compassionate religions. |> Me too. I have already given my life to God. If God tells me to lay down my life, it will be to save another life. |> You might want to die for whatever purpose, but please spare |> the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all. |> |> I have a hard time just now understanding that Christianity |> knows about the word compassion. Christians, do you think |> the actions today would produce a good picture of your |> religion? |> Do you judge all Christians by the acts of those who would call themselves Christian and yet are not? The BD's contradicted scripture in their actions. They were NOT Christian. Simple as that. Perhaps you have read too much into what the media has portrayed. Ask any true-believing Christian and you will find that they will deny any association with the BD's. Even the 7th Day Adventists have denied any further ties with this cult, which was what they were. Do you judge all Muslims by the acts committed by Saddam Hussein, a supposedly devout Muslim? I don't. Saddam is just a dictator using the religious beliefs of his people to further his own ends. God be with you, Malcolm Lee :) |> |> Kent |> |> --- |> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";-1;0 "From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Nntp-Posting-Host: cds709.cadence.com Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Lines: 24 In article <1993Apr16.010235.14225@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes: >You didn't even get the capitalization correct! Try reading USCA on >the Constitution, or get any other CORRECT version of the >Constitution. This is REALLY STUPID nitpicking. Capitalization rules in the late 18th century were quite different from today, and what was posted matches current capitalization rules. We also don't make 's' look like 'f' and other such things done in the late seventeen hundreds. In the original Constitution, ""militia"", ""arms"", etc. were capitalized simply because they were nouns. This is also done currently in German. There is no special significance to these words simply because they are capitalized. The capitalization denotes no special emphasis. -Pete Zakel (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz) ARIES (Mar 21 - Apr 19) You are the pioneer type and hold most people in contempt. You are quick tempered, impatient, and scornful of advice. You are not very nice. ";-1;0 "From: drk@melodian.cs.uiuc.edu (Dave Kohr) Subject: Re: Foreign Media Reaction April 1-12, part 1 of 3 Organization: CS Dept., Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 19 In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: >The USA could go quite far to mend the bridges with Iran. The people >there are rather pissed off because the USA first supported the Shah who >they loathed and then supported Saddam when he mounted an unprovoked >attack. Hardly surprizing after the embassy hostage crisis but Iran is >meant to be the country run by unreasonable bigots not the USA so if there >is to be movement it would be easier for the USA to move. > >Phill Hallam-Baker It is also widely stated (in non-mainstream sources) that the CIA had a large part in the overthrow of the popular (and popularly-elected) left-leaning Premier Mossadegh in 1953. Is this widely recognized outside the U.S.? (I have never seen it mentioned at all in mainstream U.S. media.) How about within Iran? -- Dave Kohr CS Graduate Student Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Work: 3244 DCL, (217)333-6561 Home: (217)359-9350 E-mail: drk@cs.uiuc.edu ""One either has none or not enough."" ";-1;0 "From: erme@pobox.upenn.edu (Erme Maula) Subject: Re: Macs suck! Buy a PC! Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: pobox.upenn.edu this is a test -- **************************************************************************** Erme ";-1;0 "From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Lines: 31 In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: Other people have commented on most of this swill, I figured I'd add a few comments of my own. >The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population >density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. Hong Kong, and Cairo both have higher population densities. >The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of >Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the >strip and seek work in Israel. There is no fundamental right to work in another country. And the closing of the strip is not a punishment, it is a security measure to stop people from stabbing Israelis. >The only help given to Gazans by Israeli >Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. Dozens minus one, since one of them was stabbed to death a few days ago. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow ";-1;0 "From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu Subject: Aerostitch: 1- or 2-piece? Distribution: rec Organization: Cornell University Lines: 11 Request for opinions: Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch? We're looking for more than ""Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the 1-pc is better protection,..."" Thanks in advance, Nadine ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Keeping Your Mouth Shut (was: Hard drive security) From: vkub@charlie.usd.edu (Vince Kub) Reply-To: vkub@charlie.usd.edu Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept. Nntp-Posting-Host: charlie Lines: 82 In article <1993Apr13.143712.15338@cadkey.com>, eric@cadkey.com (Eric Holtman) writes: >In article holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: >> >>I'm not a lawyer, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doing that could be >>considered obstruction of justice, which could land you in prison for >>quite a while. >> >>The thing that's great about the secret key is it is IDEA encrypted, so >>even if the FBI do get the key, they're SOL unless they know the magic >>word. If they try to force you to give them your pass phrase, just say >>""Oops, I forgot."" Since the burden of proof is still on the prosecution >>in this country, if you keep your mouth shut, how can they prove that you >>didn't forget your pass phrase. >> > >Well, I'm no lawyer, but I'll supply some ancedotal evidence which may >change your mind. ** Note ** I do not agree AT ALL with what went on in >this case, and neither will most of you. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT >THAT IT *DID* HAPPEN. Right here in America even..... > >About three or four years ago, there was a rather nasty custody case in >or around Washington D.C. The upshot was, an ex-husband was suing for >visitation rights, which were granted. The woman believed that the man >had been sexually molesting her children. (much like Allen/Farrow, but >not as famous). Anyhows, she spirits away the kids and refuses to tell the >court where they are, and denies him visitation rights. > >She ""keeps her mouth shut"", and what happens? She SITS IN JAIL for almost >a year, on CONTEMPT OF COURT, until the legislature passes a special law >limiting the time a person can be held. If they hadn't passed the law, she'd >most likely still be there. The kids were in New Zealand, I belive. > >Now (story finished, commetary starting).... IMHO, the only reason the >legislature moved was because there was an outpouring of public sympathy >for this woman... most people believed she was right, and were outraged. >Not likely to happen for Joe Random Drug Dealer, Child Molester or perfectly >innocent privacy lover, who might have something >to hide. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean you get to walk out >of court humming a happy tune because the FBI can't read your disk. Just >ask those held for contempt, those who can't make bail, etc, etc. > >Again.... I disagree totally with the concept of holding someone based >on suspicion, but people who keep thinking that it won't happen are bound >to get a rude shock when it does...... >-- Also not a lawyer, etc. but if I remember correctly the Contempt of Court business is used in order to compel cooperation with what is (perhaps questionably, different issue) the legitimate business of that court. Quite literally the party is found guilty of holding the court ""in contempt"". Now, the original scheme as suggested here would be to have the key disappear if certain threatening conditions are met. Once the key is gone there is no question of Contempt of Court as there is nothing to compell, the key is no longer there to be produced. Obstruction of justice would be a different issue but if the suspect in question would have some legitmate reason to protect his data from prying eyes (however extenuated) I think that this charge would be a hard nut to make. Perhaps it is time for a lawyer to step in and clear this all up? -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- Vincent A. Kub, WD0DBX | ""Saints should always be judged | guilty until they are proven vkub@charlie.usd.edu | innocent."" -Geo. Orwell | 14 W.Cherry St. #2 | ""It is good to die before one has Vermillion, S.Dakota 57069 | done anything deserving of death."" phone or fax to (605) 624-8680 | - Anaxandirdes | King of Sparta ------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.2 mQBNAiudo1MAAAECAKRkUUWW+Tqsoa1nD+GaSbpXcDhSrHpMEBPjKlyiKuIjzaT6 auO/hnqW/652YicVaJlXspb5D2giMc09TG2sGY0ABRG0CVZpbmNlIEt1Yg== =IuUb -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ";-1;0 "From: steve@hcrlgw (Steven Collins) Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Organization: Central Research Lab. Hitachi, Ltd. Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: hcrlgw In article <1qkgbuINNs9n@shelley.u.washington.edu> bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes: >Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ: > >Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, >center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it >for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a >straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some >geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss? >Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? Wouldn't this require a hyper-sphere. In 3-space, 4 points over specifies a sphere as far as I can see. Unless that is you can prove that a point exists in 3-space that is equi-distant from the 4 points, and this may not necessarily happen. Correct me if I'm wrong (which I quite possibly am!) steve --- -- +---------------------------------------+--------------------------------+ | Steven Collins | email: steve@crl.hitachi.co.jp | | Visiting Computer Graphics Researcher | phone: (0423)-23-1111 | | Hitachi Central Research Lab. Tokyo. | fax: (0423)-27-7742 | ";-1;0 "From: gwalker@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Grayson Walker) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Keywords: oily to bed Organization: A.S.I., Merritt Island, Florida Distribution: usa Lines: 9 Ah, yes, the big chunks down in the sump. The solution is simple. Sort of like the advice my Aunt always gave -- never scratch your ear with anything except your elbow. If you have pieces of ring, con rods, valve heads or stems, just reach into the sump through the hole in the block that was associated with the creation of those large bits and pieces. Anything you can't remove with one hand through the hole in the block may safely be left in place. ";-1;0 "From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) Subject: I've found the secret! Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Lines: 15 Why are the Red Sox in first place? Eight games into the season, they already have two wins each from Clemens and Viola. Clemens starts again tonight, on three days rest. What's up? Are the Sox going with a four-man rotation? Is this why Hesketh was used in relief last night? Hm. Cheers, -Valentine P.S. I was wrong. The Sox have already scored 18 runs in two games this week. They should reach 25 without trouble. I still think it's a fluke. ";14;1 "From: wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) Subject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me. Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 56 In article atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: > Religious people are threatened by science because it has been systematically >removing the physical ""proofs"" of God's existence. As time goes on we have to >rely more and more on faith and the spiritual world to relate to God becuase >science is removing our props. I don't think this is a bad thing. > First of all, I resent your assumption that you know why I am threatened by science, or even that I am threatened at all, although I admit the latter. The reason I am threatened by Science has nothing to do with my need for proof of my Lord's existence-- God reveals Himself in many ways, including, to some degree, Science. My problem with Science is that often it allows us to assume we know what is best for ourselves. God endowed us with the ability to produce life through sexual relations, for example, but He did not make that availible to everyone. Does that mean that if Science can over-ride God's decision through alterations, that God wills for us to have the power to decide who should and should not be able to have children? Should men be allowed to have babies, if that is made possible. People have always had the ability to end lives unnaturally, and soon may have the ability to bring lives into the world unnaturally. The closest thing to artificially created life is artificially created death, and as God has reserved judgement about when people should die to Himself, I believe we should rely on God's wisdom about how people should be brought in to the world. This is not to say that I reject all forms of medical treatment, however. Treatment that alleviates pain, or prevents pain from occuring, is perfectly acceptable, I believe, as it was acceptable for Jesus to cure the sick. However, treatment that merely prolongs life for no reason, or makes unnecessary alterations to the body for mere aesthetic purposes, go too far. Are we not happy with the beauty God gave us? I cannot draw a solid line regarding where I would approve of Scientific study, and where I would not, but I will say this: Before one experiments with the universe to find out all its secrets, one should ask why they want this knowledge. Before one alters the body they have been given, they should ask themseles why their body is not satisfactory too them as it is. I cannot make any general rules that will cover all the cases, but I will say that each person should pray for guidance when trying to unravel the mysteries of the universe, and should cease their unravelling if they have reason to believe their search is displeasing to God. ---Malcusco ";-1;0 "From: king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King) Subject: Re: Binaca Blast Deep Drive Derby (BBDDD) Returns Article-I.D.: network.1psmbr$qi Distribution: na Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.ucsd.edu The Engimatic Vincent Gray writes: >king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King) writes: >> >> Even less publicized than this, however, was that the $300,000 >> didn't come from the Padres, but from an un-named source, and that the >> money didn't go to the Blue Jays. In Toronto, the money was diverted >> into a London bank account owned by a shadowy character named Vincent >> Gray. > >I should be so lucky: the account number must have been rejected! :-) Oh, come on. Everybody on the net has heard about ""plausible deniability"". You're not fooling anybody. >> Soon after that, Gray and Palmer sent word to Ottawa that Canada had >> achieved absolute superiority over the United States in the field of >> baseballistic research, as she controlled both the Acker-Cook >> Pitch-Alike Contest and the Binaca Blast Research Institute. The Prime >> Minister smiled. > >I hope not. To think that I would inadvertantly give any pleasure to >Mulroney _really_ ruins my day. Note how quick Vince was to make the inference that my post claimed that Mulroney was smiling at the baseballistics news. This sure looks like guilty knowledge to me... >Realizing the taterific importance of this work, John Palmer and I >concluded that we might be able to pool some resources. ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ I.e., the $300 grand. >Who will be the stars this year? Can anyone hope to combat Brad >Arnsberg's record start to last year? The early money has to be on ""Tom Tom"" Bolton, who contributed that clutch grandslam in his first appearance. But I expect lots of strong contenders this year, many of them right here in San Diego. jking ";-1;0 "From: mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu (marcus k baird) Subject: CD-ROMS 4-Sale (NEW) Organization: Wheaton College, IL Lines: 101 I'm looking to find some people interested in getting some cd-rom's. Below is a list with their prices. If you are interested in any of these, send me some mail and I can guarantee this price. If you are not local their will be a shipping cost, and cod cost if you prefer it to be shipped that way. Marcus American Business Phonebook DOS $20.00 Animals DOS $30.00 Animals MPC $30.00 Audoban Birds DOS $20.00 Audoban Mammals DOS $20.00 Barney Bear Goes to School DOS $30.00 Bible Library DOS $45.00 Bibles and Religion DOS $15.00 Book of Lists DOS $30.00 Britannicas Family Choice DOS $23.00 Britamrica Select DOS $24.33 Business & Economics DOS $30.00 Business Backgrounds DOS $20.00 Business Master DOS $20.00 Carmen San Diego lWhere is ...) 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Cages double-parking motorc News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17h by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers Lines: 22 Nntp-Posting-Host: isma.demon.co.uk Reply-To: sdun@isma.demon.co.uk (Stephen Dunne) Organization: Demon Internet Services. In <1qjmf6$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: >In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes: >An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the >thing over the driver's window, ""so they couldn't miss it."" A friend >damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by >the sticker. I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they >Be careful about putting stickers on cages' windows. Hmmm.. The LDDC security guards over here in Docklands only place parking stickers on the drivers SIDE windows.. But on reflection that could still cause an accident.. Suppose it's because people aren't as litigious over here as in the states :-) Stephen -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Stephen Dunne MAG DoD#766 sdun@isma.demon.co.uk | |International Securities Market Association I speak for me,thats all| |Voice (+44) 71-538-5656 Fax (+44) 71-538-4902 PGP public key available| |We are not affiliated to any other Demon.Co.Uk site. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";-1;0 "From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) Subject: Re: How is Cizeta V16T doing? Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 20 Reply-To: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu > cs173sbw@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (cs173sbw) writes: > >>Does anyone know what happpened to the venerable V16T!? Has Claudio >>done any enhancement to it? Are there any pictures of this beast I >>can ftp down somewhere? >>THanks >>p.s. Better, seen any RC model of this beauty? :) --AutoWeek had an article about the car within the past six weeks. It was the issue with the Diablo VT AWD on the cover. Naturally, I don't remember the date of the issue offhand, but I can check it if anyone is interested. --Aamir Qazi -- Aamir Qazi qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint. ";10;1 "From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 19 ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: >I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in >reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering >reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is >interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. If you consider Israeli reporting of events in Israel to be propoganda, then consider the Washington Post's handling of American events to be propoganda too. What makes the Israeli press inherently biased in your opinion? I wouldn't compare it to Nazi propoganda either. Unless you want to provide some evidence of Israeli inaccuracies or parallels to Nazism, I suggest you keep your mouth shut. I'm sick and tired of all you anti-semites comparing Israel to the Nazis (and yes, in my opinion, if you compare Israel to the Nazis you are an anti-semite because you know damn well it isn't true and you are just trying to discredit Israel). Ed. ";-1;0 "From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) Subject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm) Organization: The Internet Lines: 12 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu pyeatt@Texaco.com writes: >> There is a widget already defined for GL. It is the GlxMDraw (motif) or >> GlxDraw (athena) widget. It is similar to a XmDrawingArea, except that it >> allows you to use GL calls to render into the window. Look at glxlink, >> glxunlink, glxgetconfig, and glxwinset in the man pages. Where do I get hold of these widgets? Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk) Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd. ";-1;0 "From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 13 ON the subject of how many competing RC orders there are, let me point out the Golden Dawn is only the *outer* order of that tradition. The inner order is the Roseae Rubeae et Aurae Crucis. That's Ruby Rose and Gold Cross, in rough translation. The G.'.D.'. is a Rosicrucian order, as are all derivative groups. Of course, real Rosicrucians never admit to being Rosicrucian. Enjoy the journey! --Br'anArthur Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-) ****************************************************************************** Closed minds don't want to know. --JJObermark ";19;1 "From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions. Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 32 Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu In a previous article, ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) says: >I have $30,000 as my budget. I'm looking for a sports or GT car. > >What do you think would be the best buy? (I'm looking for specific models) > >Thanks, >Danny >-- > >=============================================================================== >= ""Hey! You programmers out there! | Danny Phornprapha = >= Please consider this: | ip02@lehigh.edu = >= | = >= Bugs are another endangered earth | LUCC Student Konsultant = >= Species needing your protection. | Work: (215) 758-4141 = > For an all out sports car, I'd go for the RX-7 without the sports suspension (which is too stiff.) For a little more practicality and more comfort, the Nissan 300ZX Turbo is a good buy. And for a good dose of luxury, the Lexus SC300 is perfect (with a manual transmission of course.) However, the Toyota Supra is coming out soon and if you like it's looks, the performance is supposed to be great, almost race car like. I don't particulary like the Mitsubishi 3000GT's or the Dodge Stealths as they are too heavy and aren't very nimble handlers for a sports car. -- A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. ""The mind is the forerunner of all states."" ";-1;0 "From: bennett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Smoker's Lungs Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 3 How long does it take a smoker's lungs to clear of the tar after quitting? Does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take a considerable amount of time for that to happen? ";-1;0 "From: mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) Subject: Re: Pens Info needed Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus.math.jyu.fi Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr16.171319.13467@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.074054.3124@jyu.fi> mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) writes: > >>Coaching news: >> Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks >Wow. So that's probably the reason why current assistant coach Drew Ramenda >hinted that he won't be back. Thanks for the news, Mikko; can you (or any >of our Finnish netters) comment on Tichonov? The first time I heard this piece of news was on the post game radio interview here in Jyvaskyla. That was the bronze medal game in the SM-liiga which Tichonov's team Porin Assat (the Aces of town Pori:) lost. Vasili, the son of Victor Tichonov (the famous Soviet coach), said that for a long time the Sharks have been persuading him to take the assistant coach post. But he wants to be the head coach where ever he goes. He definitely won't be coaching Assat anymore (after three? seasons). I don't know why. Vasili is a good coach I believe. Assat was a good team, produced many players to our national team. Assat wasn't a skilled team (IMHO) but they had the fighting spirit. After all, they butchered Jokerit in the playoffs and gave hard time to TPS, the champs. But Assat wasn't consistent, only when they were in the right mood they could beat any team in the SM-liiga. I am not 100% sure about the deal with the Sharks. As I said, he wants to be the head coach. But he and the Sharks are going to negotiate and decide during the WC. I doubt that he will be the head coach but maybe they'll do some compromise. Could somebody post more information about Vasili? I know he was coaching in the former Soviet league; teams, results? His character as a coach? ";-1;0 "Reply-To: donoghue@donoghue.win.net (Kevin Donoghue) From: donoghue@donoghue.win.net (Kevin Donoghue) Subject: Off Line Mail Lines: 13 I am looking for a program called VBREADER. It is an off line mail reader for Windows using QWK mail packets. Or if anyone knows of any good QWK mail readers please let me know. Thanks Kevin _______________________________________________________________________ Kevin C. Donoghue Internet: donoghue@donoghue.win.net Donoghue International ""Few love to hear the sins they love to act"" 2437 Grand Ave. Suite 273 -- William Shakespear Ventura CA 93003 ";-1;0 "From: jwl@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (james.w.lee..iii) Subject: Re: new saturn argument Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1993Apr6.203837.14323 Distribution: usa Organization: AT&T Lines: 17 In article , rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes: > > ok, how about this to argue about. why does the sl2 have a much lower base > price than the sc2??? it's over 1k cheaper(i forget the exact amount). > doesn't it cost more to have the extra doors/windows/locks/motors etc. that > are in the 4 door???? perhaps it is just a marketing deal....people want the > 2door, so they will pay the extra 1.2k??? The SC1/SC2 has a shorter wheel base than the SL/SL1/SL2/SW1/SW2, just a thought. Ithink your right though...... -- James Lee @ A.T.& T. Bell Labs Murray Hill, N.J. 07974 Room 2A-336 201-582-4420 att!conceps!jwl ";-1;0 "From: halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall) Subject: Weirdness of Early Christians Reply-To: halsall@murray.fordham.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Lines: 76 I am a good Catholic boy. A convert no less, attracted by the rational tradition [Aquinas et al] and the emotional authenticity [in comp. with the faddishness of Anglicanism] to Roman Catholicism. I never had much time for the pope - or any other heirarchs - but I did, and do, believe in the sacremental system. I always felt quite happy to look down my nose at those such as John Emery [a few posts back] who had to engage in circuitous textual arguments to prove their faith, entirely oblivious to the fact that a dozen other faiths can do the same [with miracles too], and that since their arguments depend on the belief in the Bible as God's sole revelation, it was not very good logic to argue that the Bible proved God. No, I was happy to accept the CHURCH as God's revelation. It was the Church after all that existed before the Bible, the Church that choose [under grace of course] the canon of scripture. Protestant ludicrosity, I thought, was shown by Protestants breathtaking acceptance of Luther's right to reject a dozen or so books he disliked. But recently I read Peter Brown's _Body and Society_. It is very well researched, and well written. But is raises some very upsetting questions. The early Christians were weird - even more so than today's carzy fundies. They had odd views on sex, odder views on the body, totally ludicrous views about demons, and distinctly uncharitable views about other human beings. now the question is this: were the first Christians just as weird, but we've got used to them, or did the pristine ""Fall of the Church"" happen within one generation. It certainly did'nt have to wait until the Triumph of the Church under Constantine. If so, wha does this say about God's promise to always support the Church. It's no use throwing the usual Protestant pieties about the Church not being an organization at me. It's a community or it is nothing, and it was the early communities that were weird. The institional church was a model of sanity by comparison. I would be interested in serious Catholic and Orthodox responses to this entirely serious issue. I'm not sure it is an issue for Protestants with their ""soul alone with Jesus"" approach, but for we who see the ""ecclesia"" as a ""koinoia"" over time and space, the weird early Christians are a problem. [This is an exaggeration of the Protestant view. Many Protestants have a strong appreciation for the role of the Church. ""The soul alone with God"" is certainly important for Protestants, but it's by no means the whole story. I have read the sort of history you talk about. As you point out, Protestants don't have quite the same problem you do, because we believe that the church had a Fall at some point. However Protestant mythology typically places the Fall around the time of Constantine (or more likely, regard it as happening in a sort of cumulative fashion, starting from Constantine but getting worse as the Pope accumulated power during the medieval period.) The consequences of having it earlier are somewhat worrisome even to us. Most Protestants accept the theological results of the early ecumenical councils, including such items as the Trinity and Incarnation. Indeed in the works of Reformers such as Luther and Calvin, you'll find Church Fathers such as Augustine quoted all the time. I think you'll find many Protestants resistant to the idea that the Early Church as a whole was ""wierd"". (There is an additional problem for Protestants that I don't much want to talk about in this context, since it's been looked at recently -- that's the question of whether one can really think of Augustine and other Fathers as being proto-Protestants. Their views on Mary, the authority of the Pope, etc, are not entirely congenial to Protestant thought.) One thing that somewhat worries me is a question of methodology. There are certainly plenty of wierd people in the early church. What concerns me is that they may be overrepresented in what we see. We see every Christian who courted martyrdom. But I think there's good reason to believe that most ordinary Christians were more prudent than that. We see the heroic virgins. But I think there's good reason to think that many Christians were happily married. I can't help suspecting that the early church had the same range of wierdos and sane people that we do now. I think there's also a certain level of ""revisionism"" active in history at the moment. I don't mean that they're manufacturing things out of whole cloth. But don't you think there might be a tendency to emphasize the novel? --clh] ";17;1 "From: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) Subject: Re: Postscript drawing prog Organization: Diablo Creative Reply-To: diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 22 In article <1993Apr19.171704.2147@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> (comp.graphics.gnuplot,comp.graphics), rdd@uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Reinhard Drube) writes: >In article , nish@cv4.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.) writes: >|> Could somebody let me know of a drawing utility that can be >|> used to manipulate postscript files.I am specifically interested in >|> drawing lines, boxes and the sort on Postscript contour plots. >|> I have tried xfig and I am impressed by it's features. However >|> it is of no use since I cannot use postscript files as input for the >|> programme.Is there a utility that converts postscript to xfig format? >|> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >|> Nishantha Have you checked out Adobe Illustrator? There are a few Unix versions for it available, depending on your platform. I know of two Unix versions: One for Mach (NeXT) and for Irix (SGI). There may be others, such as for Sun SparcStation, but I don't know for sure. ttyl, -- charles boesel @ diablo creative | If Pro = for and Con = against cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress? +1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress. ";-1;0 "From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt Article-I.D.: netnews.120664 Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 32 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In article galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) writes: >In article <93105.052120RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po writes: >>In article <1993Apr14.015415.10176@mprgate.mpr.ca>, tasallot@galaxy.mpr.ca >>(Mathew Tasalloti) says: >>>chances this year), but it seems to me like Washington is the ONLY >>>team that can stop the Penguins from winning their next Stanley Cup. >> >> Really? I think both the Islanders and Devils would have a better chance >>at the Penguins than the Capitals, IMO. > >Really? What makes you think the Islanders have a better shot? They >couldn't even beat the Whalers in two games! Yes, but as has been mentioned many times before, the Islanders play at the talent level of their opponent. Since Hartford is pitiful, the Islanders played pitiful. Since Pittsburgh is great, the Isles will most likely play great. This is most likely due to inexperience and very poor shooting. To Greg: yes, I have noticed that the Islanders couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with the puck if they were two feet in front of it. Does anyone have shooting percentages? I don't know if that would help, since they often miss the net completely, but it might shed some light on the subject. And, my playoff pool is running!!! Exact rules to be posted tomorrow, but don't hesitate to send in picks!!! -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" ";13;1 "Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 33 In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: >I propose >that these two trends -- greater level of general depression in society >(and other psychological problems) and greater sexual promiscuity -- are >linked, with the latter being a prime cause of the former. I cannot >provide any evidence beyond this at this stage, but the whole thesis >seems very reasonable to me and I request that people ponder upon it. > Damn right you can't provide any evidence for it. Rarely are any widespread social phenomenon reducible to such a simple premise. If they were, psychology would be a hard science with roughly the same mathematical soundness as physics. Your premise may well be right. It is much more likely, however, that it reflects your socialization and religious background, as well as your need to validate your religious beliefs. Were I to pretend to have all the answers (and I don't), I would say that the xenophobia, guilt, and intolerance brought about by adherence to fundamentalist religions play just as large a role in depressing the members of our society. Your mileage obviously varies. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ";-1;0 "From: tcking@uswnvg.com (Tim King) Subject: Gateway 2000 & booting from floppy Organization: Ground Zero Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 I have a Gateway 4DX-33V with my 3.5 inch floppy as drive A. I accidentally discovered that if a have a floppy from ONE particular box of diskettets in the A drive when I boot up, rather than getting the ""Non-system diskette"" message, the machine hangs and the CMOS gets overwritten (luckily, Gateway sends a print of the standard CMOS settings with their systems). This only happens with a box of pre-formatted Fuji disks that I have, no other disks cause this problem. If I re-format one of the Fuji disks, the problem goes away. I did a virus scan (scan v1.02) of the disks and found nothing. Anyone have any idea what is going on here? Hardware problem? A virus that can't be detected? The system reading in garbage from the boot sector? -- Tim King, tcking@uswnvg.com ";5;1 "From: (Rashid) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179 Organization: NH Lines: 76 In article <1993Apr14.131032.15644@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote: > > It is my understanding that it is generally agreed upon by the ulema > [Islamic scholars] that Islamic law applies only in an Islamic country, > of which the UK is not. Furthermore, to take the law into one's own > hands is a criminal act, as these are matters for the state, not for > individuals. Nevertheless, Khomeini offered a cash prize for people to > take the law into their own hands -- something which, to my > understanding, is against Islamic law. Yes, this is also my understanding of the majority of Islamic laws. However, I believe there are also certain legal rulings which, in all five schools of law (4 sunni and 1 jaffari), can be levelled against muslim or non-muslims, both within and outside dar-al-islam. I do not know if apostasy (when accompanied by active, persistent, and open hostility to Islam) falls into this category of the law. I do know that historically, apostasy has very rarely been punished at all, let alone by the death penalty. My understanding is that Khomeini's ruling was not based on the law of apostasy (alone). It was well known that Rushdie was an apostate long before he wrote the offending novel and certainly there is no precedent in the Qur'an, hadith, or in Islamic history for indiscriminantly levelling death penalties for apostasy. I believe the charge levelled against Rushdie was that of ""fasad"". This ruling applies both within and outside the domain of an Islamic state and it can be carried out by individuals. The reward was not offered by Khomeini but by individuals within Iran. > Stuff deleted > Also, I think you are muddying the issue as you seem to assume that > Khomeini's fatwa was issued due to the _distribution_ of the book. My > understanding is that Khomeini's fatwa was issued in response to the > _writing_ and _publishing_ of the book. If my view is correct, then > your viewpoint that Rushdie was sentenced for a ""crime in progress"" is > incorrect. > I would concur that the thrust of the fatwa (from what I remember) was levelled at the author and all those who assisted in the publication of the book. However, the charge of ""fasad"" can encompass a number of lesser charges. I remember that when diplomatic relations broke off between Britain and Iran over the fatwa - Iran stressed that the condemnation of the author, and the removal of the book from circulation were two preliminary conditions for resolving the ""crisis"". But you are correct to point out that banning the book was not the main thrust behind the fatwa. Islamic charges such as fasad are levelled at people, not books. The Rushdie situation was followed in Iran for several months before the issuance of the fatwa. Rushdie went on a media blitz, presenting himself as a lone knight guarding the sacred values of secular democracy and mocking the foolish concerns of people crazy enough to actually hold their religious beliefs as sacred. Fanning the flames and milking the controversy to boost his image and push the book, he was everywhere in the media. Then Muslim demonstrators in several countries were killed while protesting against the book. Rushdie appeared momentarily concerned, then climbed back on his media horse to once again attack the Muslims and defend his sacred rights. It was at this point that the fatwa on ""fasad"" was issued. The fatwa was levelled at the person of Rushdie - any actions of Rushdie that feed the situation contribute to the legitimization of the ruling. The book remains in circulation not by some independant will of its own but by the will of the author and the publishers. The fatwa against the person of Rushdie encompasses his actions as well. The crime was certainly a crime in progress (at many levels) and was being played out (and played up) in the the full view of the media. P.S. I'm not sure about this but I think the charge of ""shatim"" also applies to Rushdie and may be encompassed under the umbrella of the ""fasad"" ruling. ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: health care reform Article-I.D.: pitt.19408 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 24 In article custer@wrc.wrgrace.com (Linda Custer) writes: >This is my first post, and I am not even sure it will work. Here goes. > >Did anyone read the editorial on page 70 in the 29 march 1993 edition of Time >Magazine, noting that managed care is extremely inefficient? Of all the possible >clients that Billary could be pandering to, the insurance industry is the worst! > >Comments? I agree. Adding layers of managers and bureaucrats simply eat up money that could be spent on those who actually are doing the work such as doctors and nurse, and supplies. The most efficient system is probably one that has limited management and a fixed budget such as England's or even Canada's. I'm afraid we are on the wrong track. The problem may be that the insurance lobby is too powerful. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Unity Organization: Indiana University Lines: 126 In article Maarten.van.Loon@cwi.nl (Maarten van Loon) writes: >Hello fellow-netters and fellow christians, >about the subject of unity between christians and christian churches. >to a bible study group. Alltough I do have a personal opinion on this >issue, I thought it would be nice to hear opinions of fellow christian >brothers and sisters from different countries and in different situations. > >My background: member of a (orthodox) Reformed Church. Let us say a little The ONLY unity I've found which is true is when all parties involved are disciples. I came out of a church in which even the different congregations were always competing and arguing about which one was better and who had the better messages (while none of them put anything into practice from those messages). Since becoming a disciple, I've found that when I travel to another church in the same movement, they are just as accepting there as any other. We had a retreat back in January when some of the congregation from Louisville, KY came up (this retreat was for college students) and it was as though I had known even the people from Louisville for years (and I had only become a disciple the previous April and had never been to the church in Kentucky). One of the keys to unity is unselfish love and self-sacrifice. That is only one area in which disciples stand out from ""Christians"". Also, another part of unity is a common depth of conviction. I've also been a part of some ""Christian"" campus fellowships who were focused on unity between churches and saw that those churches had one thing involved: a lack of conviction about everything they believed. That was why they could be unified, they didn't care about the truth but delighted in getting along together. >The problem here in The Netherlands is that there are two other churches >(denominations) with the same characteristics. Both have the same >confessions; there are only some differences with respect to - for >example - the matter of appropriation of salvation and how to ""use"" >our creeds. In essence a lot of people of these three churches have to >same faith and feel that they should become one church. But how, that is >the question. > Creeds? What need is there of creeds when the Bible stands firmly better? >So, here is a first question: >- can the congregation of Christ be separated by walls of different > denominations? Or is this definitely an untolerable situation > according to the Scriptures? According to the Scriptures, splits and differences of opinion are going to be there. As per a previous note, I mentioned that there are those who teach falsely by many means. There are also differences of opinion and belief. However, Scripture states: In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there re divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval (1 Corinthians 11:17-19). How will God show his approval? By fruitfulness (see Acts 2:47), but before that, there are these qualities: devotion to the apostles teaching fellowship communion filling with awe for God all having everything in common. glad and sincere hearts praising God enjoying the favor of the people All these are mentioned in Acts 2:42-47. God also shows that those who have these qualities are persecuted. Look at Stephen, ""a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit"" (Acts 6:5) who was later stoned (Acts 7:54-60). >- can one say that only one of these three churches is the > true church of Jesus Christ? One can say that a church is the true church only if that church is perfect not only in the congregation but worldwide as a movement. I have yet to find that, but the closest one I've found is the Boston Church of Christ movement, which constantly strives to have errors pointed out and corrected. It is also the only one I've seen which is totally sold out to God. > >A problem closely related to these question is: >- can we cooperate with other Christians - from these two churches - > before there is a unity? This question is especially important > for those who think that only one church can be the ""true one"". > As for cooperation, that can always occur. Unity, on the other hand may never occur. As for those who think about only one church being the ""true one"", I remind them that Mark 9:38-41 states that there are disciples who are not a part of the main group to begin with, but they will not lose their reward. As with the Boston movement, I've heard numerous times this exact same thing, that there are disciples out there that are not a part of the Boston movement but that does not make them any less disciples. Of course, few people admit that they've ever run into someone who has the qualities of a disciple outside the movement. I know I haven't. >Maybe this last problem sounds a little strange to most of you. >For your information: we have a lot of organizations here which >are founded by people of one specific church and whose members >are all members of that church. This has been considered as >""correct"" for years. Only a few years ago people started to >discuss about this and now we are in the middle of this process. >Some organizations are opening their doors for people from >other churches etc. > I must warn that this sounds cliquey to me. A clique is a group which runs around together to some extent exclusively. This causes problems in fellowship and causes divisions. I would not say at all that this is something ""correct"" for a church/group to do for any reason. In one of the churches I attended, for example, there was an internal clique of people who were on the 14 different groups/committees/organizational heads of the congregation. They rarely talked to anyone else outside of the committees and seldom were voted out of office without another office being ""opened up"" so that they would have to step right back in. Their degree of exclusion was such that when the new pastor came, he nearly had to wipe out everything and start from scratch (I wish he would've since they still have no clue about what it means to be a disciple). Anyway, this rigidity in the clique is beginning to be broken down, but is still there. So, I must warn against such division within. There's enough division without. >Thanks for your opinions in advance! > >Maarten Joe Fisher ";-1;0 "From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net > > :Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack > > :has 2^80 possible keys. > > > > We don't yet know if all 80 bits count. > > That doesn't worry me at all; they're not going to cheat at something >they can get caught at. And key size is one of the things that can be >verified externally. Feed lots of random key/input pairs into the >chip, then see what happens to the output.... If the device is designed to use the key that's registered with the Feds, I don't see how you -can- feed it a different key. If the user can change the key to any of the 2^80 possibilities, the main reason for regarding this proposal as unacceptable disappears. ";-1;0 "From: v064mb9k@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL B. GANDLER) Subject: Radio Electronics Free information card Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 8 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu How does the radio Electronics free information cards work. Do they just send you some general information about the companies that advertise in their magazine or does it also give you sign you up for a catalog. Neil Gandler ";-1;0 "From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: EnviroLeague Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 117 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com A new alternative to Scouting for those ""unacceptable to BSA"" for reasons of religious or sexual preference: From: ""BOYD R. CRITZ, III"" <71611.365@CompuServe.COM> Subject: EnviroLeague ""Birth Announcement"" on March 7, 1993, from EARTH Forum, CompuServe Information Service =================================================================== FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT ------------------- (SM) EnviroLeague A new youth movement,""EnviroLeague,"" was recently born, according to its founder, Boyd R. Critz, III (CIS ID# 71611,365), of Peoria, Illinois. EnviroLeague exists for the education of youth, both male and female, in matters concerning their values related to and responsibility for our environment. Incorporated as an Illinois not-for-profit corporation, its Articles and initial applications for a service mark have now been filed. According to Critz, its draft Bylaws contain the following statement of Mission and Objectives: MISSION It is the Mission of EnviroLeague and its adult members to foster and implement the improved education of young people in the need to conduct their lives as Stewards of The Earth, to leave The Earth in a better condition than they found it, and to otherwise act as responsible, moral and ethical users of their environment. To pursue the accomplishment of this Mission, EnviroLeague shall seek to serve as a catalyst, focusing in common cause the separate efforts of all groups desiring the preservation, improvement, and responsible use of the environment in which we must all live. OBJECTIVES In pursuit of the Mission of EnviroLeague, its primary objectives shall be: (1) To establish a Movement involving as many environmentally concerned organizations as possible, said Movement having as its primary focus the education and participatory involvement of young people in appropriate areas of environmental concern; (2) To develop and provide to such organizations and their branches a full complement of program materials for their use, including suitable uniforms, insignia and other badges, written ideas, syllabi and information, literature and other items as shall seem appropriate and desirable; (3) To serve as a ""clearing house"" for the exchange of program ideas, materials and information among said organizations; and (4) To assist environmentally concerned organizations to recruit and train the necessary adult leadership for their youth programs. EnviroLeague will operate through three ""Program Divisions"" serving youth in the elementary, middle and high school grades, respectively. Service shall be through formation of ""EnviroLeague Teams,"" either by EnviroLeague itself or by environmentally conscious organizations (or their local branches) wishing a charter to use programs developed by EnviroLeague. EnviroLeague, as it develops, will be controlled by the actual adult leaders of each local Team, and will have no nationally imposed obstacles to membership or adult leadership status not based upon relevant improper conduct. Organizations accepting a charter may, however, impose certain additional standards for their own use of the program material. Should such organizations do so, EnviroLeague will commit itself to forming, as soon as possible, new nearby Teams having no such restrictions, particularly as to youth membership. EnviroLeague will operate on the principle that youth will have much to contribute to developing its programs. Thus, the top youth leaders of its Teams for middle and high school youth may become involved in governing any local administrative groups, and those for its high school youth may be involved in similar functions at the national level. Program materials are in development at this time. Copies of the ""draft"" portions of the Mentor's Manual (manual for adult leadership) will be in the EARTH Forum, Library 17. These files will be updated as development takes place. CompuServe is particularly proud that EnviroLeague's founder chose this electronic medium to make the first public announcement of its formation. This announcement is being made simultaneously in both the OUTDOOR and EARTH Forums. The electronic home of EnviroLeague is in CompuServe's Earth Forum - GO EARTH - message and library areas 17, both named ""EnviroLeague."" ============================================================================ Subsequently, EnviroLeague's Initial Governance Council has held its first meeting. Boyd Critz was elected as the first EnviroLeague Chief Guardian (equivalent to Chairman of the Board or CEO). He can be reached at home (309) 675-4483 in case of real need. Also, mail can be addressed to: EnviroLeague P.O. Box 418 Peoria, IL 61651-0418 Those interested in starting an EnviroLeague Team might just establish contact, to receive a diskette (IBM DOS, ASCII) with initial information. -- cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... ";-1;0 "From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Lines: 15 Distribution: world Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: > I don't get up in arms when > the government fails to protect the interests of the people, because in > my lifetime it never has--therefore, I have no expectation that it will. Just to make sure everyone is clear on this: ""it never has"" refers to ""protects"", not ""fails to protect""; i.e., in my lifetime I have never seen the U.S. government consistently protect the interest of U.S. citizens, except by accident. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation ";16;1 "From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: Boeing Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr17.092051.19814@kth.se> d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes: >In tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) writes: > >>> I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle >>> some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. >>> >>> Can you please offer some recommendations? > >I think APDA has something called MacWireFrame which is a full >wire-frame (and supposedly hidden-line removal) library. >I think it weighs in at $99 (but I've been wrong on an order >of magnitude before) > I spoke with the author of MacWireFrame earlier today. The cost is $299, but there are no license royalties. His name is Eric Johnson in Sacramento, CA phone 916/737-1550. He doesn't have email. Very nice guy... very knowledgeable about graphics. Seems like he may have a decent package. It's an Object Pascal Framework that supposedly has a fairly complete set of geometry creation classes. I'm going to check it out and see if it's got what I need for my CAD package. I also found another package: 3D Graphic Tools by Micro System Options in Seattle. The number is: 206/868-5418, also no email. The package is strong at ray tracing, I'm not too sure about its geometry creation tools. I also need to look into this package some more. I also spoke with the author, Mark Owens, another nice guy that seems to know his business. The price is $249, no royalties. BobC ";1;1 "From: ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) Subject: I'm getting a car, I need opinions. Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 14 I have $30,000 as my budget. I'm looking for a sports or GT car. What do you think would be the best buy? (I'm looking for specific models) Thanks, Danny -- =============================================================================== = ""Hey! You programmers out there! | Danny Phornprapha = = Please consider this: | ip02@lehigh.edu = = | = = Bugs are another endangered earth | LUCC Student Konsultant = = Species needing your protection. | Work: (215) 758-4141 = ";10;1 "From: rrmadiso@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (*** CHUCK ***) Subject: Re: Playoff predictions Organization: University of Waterloo Lines: 32 Here are my predictions (try not to laugh hysterically) Somebody save this so I can laugh when I win my own pool. I don't have prizes, but we all love BRAGGING RIGHTS, so winner takes them. Also. If somebody has some sort of scoring system let me know. I was thinking 1 for 1st round victories, 2 for second, 3 for 3rd, 4 for 4th But we may get alot of ties. Any ideas? 1. BUFFALO 2. MONTREAL 3. PITTSBURGH 4. WASHINGTON 5. CHICAGO 6. TORONTO 7. WINNIPEG 8. LOS ANGELES 9. MONTREAL 10.PITTSBURGH 11.CHICAGO 12.WINNIPEG 13.MONTREAL 14.CHICAGO 15. MONTREAL Richard Madison rrmadiso@napier.uwaterloo.ca ";-1;0 "From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: Sick and tired (was Re: Bill Conklin (et al) 's letter) Article-I.D.: shelley.1pqiubINNmht Distribution: na Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu In article <1993Apr4.054843.22307@mks.com> richw@mks.com (Rich Wales) writes: >Why can't you just cite us a case in which Joe Schmoe, a regular >employee earning regular wages from a regular company, refuses to pay >his income tax, gets hauled into court, is convicted of wilful tax eva- >sion, and then has his conviction overturned by the US Supreme Court >with a landmark 7-2 majority ruling that income tax is indeed totally >voluntary? What, you say? No such case exists? Hmmm, I wonder why >not; why haven't you? Unless I've got my notes mixed up, 939 F.2d 499 comes close to this. Regular guy. Blue-collar worker at a regular company. Hauled into court. Convicted. Appeals to 7th circuit. Makes all the right arguments (his brief is cited by Mr. Teel as an example of a ""winning"" brief). Shot down, 3-zip by the 7th circuit. Appeals to the Supreme Court. And... ...Certiorari denied. Defendant goes to jail. Oh well. --Tim Smith ";-1;0 "From: sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin) Subject: FPU in an SE (probably a dumb question...) Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin Lines: 11 is it possible to fit an FPU in a mac SE? (not a SE/30, but the plain old SE); if possible, would I get any speed increase? what would be the reference of the chip? thanks in advance, -- %%Sylvain R.Y. Louboutin, phone:(+353-1)7021539, e-mail:sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie %%Distributed System Group, O'Reilly Institute, room F.35, fax:(+353-1)6772204 %%Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, -Ireland- ASK-18 ";-1;0 "Subject: Looking for replacement for a JVC-disk From: michael@pcmith.rks.se (Michael Thurbin) Organization: Sommarvagen 1, S-352 37 Vaxjoe, SWEDEN Lines: 22 Hi! I got hold of an old Zenith 286 Laptop with model# ZWL-183-45 The hard-disk is dead but the rest seems to work. I took the Zenith apart and found a very strange disk for wich I now try to replace. The disk is marked JVC, model JD3824R00-1. Has anyone any specs. on this disk or suggestion where i can find it or a cheap replacement for it. Thanks for your help. -- Michael Michael Thurbin (michael@pcmith.rks.se) -- ************************************************************************************************** Michael Thurbin Sommarvagen 1 Phone: +46 (0)47021340 S-352 37 Vaxjoe Fax: +46 (0)47048978 SWEDEN ************************************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: tsmith+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Smith) Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" Nntp-Posting-Host: seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 34 In article <1993Apr16.022926.27270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: >In article slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes: >>The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, do >>they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it >>only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid? > >This, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical >coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future >national system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured >must always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital, >you must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills. >In an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them, >you must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do >so for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within >24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need >your card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly >wouldn't know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry >the card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage. > > Frank Crary > CU Boulder > Which works fine until you end up in the hospital because you were hit on the head and your wallet, with your insurance card, is stolen. This happened to me, and it took six months to sort the mess out. These sorts of plans sound nice at first, but in the end they just create a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy to deal with all the checking and filing they involve. Tom the non hacker tsmith@seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu The return address is set wrong, send personal response to the above address. ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac Lines: 20 In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: >Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed >for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the Seems to be, barring evidence to the contrary, that Koresh was simply another deranged fanatic who thought it neccessary to take a whole bunch of folks with him, children and all, to satisfy his delusional mania. Jim Jones, circa 1993. >In the mean time, we sure learned a lot about evil and corruption. >Are you surprised things have gotten that rotten? Nope - fruitcakes like Koresh have been demonstrating such evil corruption for centuries. -- The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac ";-1;0 "From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) Subject: More on Center for Anti-Irsael Rhetoric Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu Dear Mr. Davidsson, You claim that your purpose is to fight racism. But you don't seem to have any interest in injustice except that which may have been committed by Israel. The treatment of Jews in Arab nations, an injustice of staggerring proportions, is an injustice that you do not seem to care the least bit about. Why not? ";-1;0 "From: msmith@volcano.ma30.bull.com (Mike Smith) Subject: DLL's and RegisterClass/CreateWindow Reply-To: M.Smith@ma30.bull.com Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA Distribution: comp Lines: 28 Hi all, I have a DLL in which I Register a class and create a window of that class type. Both calls require a module instance handle, hInstance. Petzold's 3.1 book says that it is best to use the module instance handle of the calling program, not the module instance handle of the DLL (page 934). I have two questions: 1) Is there a way to find out the module instance handle of a module? 2) What are the possible problems with using the instance handle of the DLL? Thanks in advance, Mike -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Smith e-mail: M.Smith@ma30.bull.com Bull HN Information Systems Inc. phone: (508) 294-2049 300 Concord Road MA30 - 815A fax: (508) 294-3807 Billerica, MA 01821 USA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Is Morality Constant (was Re: Biblical Rape) From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Organization: Case Western Reserve University NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu Lines: 28 In article bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: >There are a couple of things about your post and others in this thread >that are a little confusing. An atheist is one for whom all things can >be understood as processes of nature - exclusively. There is no need >for any recourse to Divnity to describe or explain anything. There is >no purpose or direction for any event beyond those required by >physics, chemistry, biology, etc.; everything is random, nothing is >determnined. This posts contains too many fallacies to respond too. 1) The abolishment of divinity requires the elimination of freewill. You have not shown this. You have not even attempted to. However, the existance of an Omniscience being does eliminate freewill in mortals.* * Posted over five months ago. No one has been able to refute it, nor give any reasonable reasons against it. -- ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "" S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) ";-1;0 "From: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) Subject: BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS ANSWERED (Judas) Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Lines: 591 NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu I posted this several days ago for Dave Butler. He may have missed it - my Usenet board has changed a little. Just in case he missed it, here it is again. Dave Butler writes... From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) >Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: NEW BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS [Fallaciously] ANSWERED (Judas) Date: Thu Apr 1 20:52:11 1993 ""I can basically restrict this post to showing the type of evidence Mr DeCenso has presented, and answering his two questions (and a couple of his spurious insults and false claims)."" MY REPLY... O.K. DB... [By the way Mr DeCenso, you really should have looked in the index of your Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich Greek lexicon. You would have found that the word in Acts for ""lot"" is ""kleros,"" not ""CHORION"" as stated by Mr Archer, and nowhere in the very large discussion of kleros in done the to ""Theological Dictionary of the New Testament"" by Bromley, is the meaning ""burial plot"" discussed. It discusses the forms of ""kleros"" (eg: kleros, kleroo, etc), and the various meanings of ""kleros"" (eg: ""plot of land,"" and ""inheritance""), but mentions nothing about CHORION or ""burial plot."" (Why does this not surprise me?) Thus it would seem to be a very good thing you dumped Archer as a reference.] DB later corrected himself... _____________________________________________________________________ From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler) >Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: NEW BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS [Fallaciously] ANSWERED (Judas) Date: Fri Apr 2 02:32:11 1993 I owe the group an apology. It is my habit to check my articles before and after their submission for errors. In my last article I stated: > (By the way Mr DeCenso, you really should have looked in the index of your > Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich Greek lexicon. You would have found that the word in > Acts for ""lot"" is ""kleros,"" not ""CHORION"" as stated by Mr Archer, and nowhere > in the very large discussion of kleros in done the to ""Theological Dictionary > of the New Testament"" by Bromley, is the meaning ""burial plot"" discussed. It > discusses the forms of ""kleros"" (eg: kleros, kleroo, etc), and the various > meanings of ""kleros"" (eg: ""plot of land,"" and ""inheritance""), but mentions > nothing about CHORION or ""burial plot."" (Why does this not surprise me?) Thus > it would seem to be a very good thing you dumped Archer as a reference). I was wrong. I admit that I do not have a handle on Greek grammar, and thus confused ""kleros"", the second to last word in Acts 1:17 as being the plot of land discussed. In actuality it is ""chorion"", which is the last word Acts 1:18. Unfortunately my Greek dictionary does not discuss ""chorion"" so I cannot report as to the nuances of the word. I don't know if someone else would have caught this, though I am sure that someone would be able to do so, but I have an aversion to disseminating mistakes, especially when someone else might use that mistake to prove a point"" _____________________________________________________________________ MY REPLY... Vary noble of you Dave. I didn't want to have to go to x number of sources to show you wrong. (Although I am researching CHORION a little). DB... ""Of course the only other reference Mr DeCenso has given is Bullinger. And Bullinger uses such ridiculous exegisis that when I accused Mr DeCenso of actually believing Bullinger, he replied that I misquoted him: >> ""And you maintain that you find such exegesis convincing? Oh dear."" > > My Reply... > Your misquotes of me are astounding, Dave. Read the beginning of this part of > my response to see what I REALLY said in my posting of this article. [Actually Mr DeCenso, you said that there was ""benefit"" to our argument, in that it caused to to rediscover Bullinger's exegisis. I did not realize that you would find such garbage beneficial, unless you were convinced by it]."" MY REPLY... Thank you for correcting your restating of my points. DB... ""and Mr DeCenso also replied: > Dave, these are not necessarily my views; they are Bullinger's. WE will > discuss the land issue in later posts, I'm sure. I'm only responding to >this one you have directed re: Bullinger's views because it's enjoyable. Thus I apologize for thinking that even Mr DeCenso could find such ""drek"" convincing....he should specify which parts of Bullinger he finds convincing and quit hiding behind a disingenuous mask of ""This is what Bullinger believed, not necessarily what I believe."" So which is it Mr DeCenso? Do you find the exegisis convincing or not?)"" MY REPLY... One of my purposes in debating these alleged contradictions with you and others is to diseminate many different views of possible reconciliations raised by various Bible scholars and students alike. When I present MY VIEWS, I will clearly distinguish them from now on. DB... ""Of course without Archer and Bullinger we find that Mr DeCenso has presented no Greek exegisis at all, and Mr DeCenso has made a big thing about my not referring back to the actual Greek. Thus we find this demand on his part for quality Greek exegisis to be a hypocritical requirement."" MY REPLY... Good point. But in your declaring that these passages are contradictory, you have produced only superficial reasonings and observations. Nor have you dug deeper. I'm glad you have begun in this post. I will begin Greek studies on these passages in more depth than I thought necessary, as well. DB... ""It would be appropriate to look at what Mr DeCenso has actually USED as evidence. Now we know what he claims for a standard, as he has stated it often enough: > (a) the text itself > (b) parallel passages > (c) other pertinent Scriptures > (d) historical context > (e) historical content > (f) other pertinent historical info > (g) cultural context > (h) cultural content > (i) other pertinent cultural info > (j) grammatical construction > (k) Hebrew and Greek word studies > (l) etc. But are these actual standards he has used, or simply empty hyperbole. Let's see, he has used (a), and since he is trying to reconcile it to other passages, we see that he has also used (b). On the other hand he has presented no use of: (d) historical context or (e) historical content or (f) other pertinent historical info or (g) cultural context or (h) cultural content or (i) other pertinent cultural info or (j) grammatical construction or even (k) Hebrew and Greek word studies [remember, Archer and Bullinger don't count] Thus we find his vaunted criteria for exegisis is just empty mouthings."" MY REPLY... Question: Do you find such criteria important? If so, do you plan on starting to use them to the best of your ability, or will you continue to present shallow observations (I don't mean this in a bad way). At this point in our _debates_, I have not found it necessary to present a total exegetical analysis of these passages, since we seem to keep beating around the bush and not getting into the core of the verses. I do not believe it necessary to use many of the above criteria to refute your arguments re: Judas in Acts and Matthew, but I will do my best from this point on to use several of the above criteria, since you desire me to. I hope you will also. It will greatly enhance our study of these passages. DB... ""The only thing he has actually used, beyond the passage itself, is any other passage. Thus Mr DeCenso should be honest and note that most of his list is red herring and his only real criteria seems to be: > (a) the text itself > (b) parallel passages MY REPLY... The reason is simple...you are mistating the passages. You claim that the PASSAGES contradict one another; I do not see the PASSAGES contradicting one another. (1) They may very well be complimentary, as many scholarly sources mention; (2) Matthew may not be presenting Judas' death, as you claim. But we'll look at your defense of this later. Also, the ""reward of iniquity"" in the Acts PASSAGE may not be the 30 pieces of silver in Matthew's PASSAGES. (Although you have a valiant attempt later at stating why you believe it is). At this beginning stages in our debates, we are laying some Scriptural groundwork, which will be expanded upon through deeper exegesis. DB... ""Of course the only reason I can see to so drastically reinterpret a passage as he has done with Judas' death, is to make it agree with another passage so that both could be considered correct."" MY REPLY... One of the reasons I have given a different exegetical view of the passages is that you seem to think the majority of scholarship is wrong in concluding these passages are complimentary. However, I see no problem in Tony Rose's explanation of Judas' death... _____________________________________________________________________ HOW WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THE INACCURACY BETWEEN JUDAS HANGING HIMSELF IN MATTHEW 27:5 AND ""FALLING HEADLONG HE BURST OPEN"" ============================================================= This question of the manner in which Judas died is one with which we are constantly confronted in our travels. Many people point to the apparent discrepancy in the two accounts as an obvious, irreconcilable error. Some have gone so far as to say that the idea of an inerrant Bible is destroyed by these contradictory accounts. However, this is not the case at all. Matthew relates that Judas hanged himself, while Peter tells us he fell and was crushed by the impact. The two statements are indeed different, but do they necessarily contradict each other? Matthew does not say that Judas did not fall; neither does Peter say that Judas did not hang himself. This is not a matter of one person calling something black and the other person calling it white. Both accounts can be true and supplementary. A possible reconstruction would be this: Judas hanged himself on a tree on the edge of a precipice that overlooked the valley of Hinnom. After he hung there for some time, the limb of the tree snapped or the rope gave way and Judas fell down the ledge, mangling his body in the process. The fall could have been before *or* after death as either would fit this explanation. This possibility is entirely natural when the terrain of the valley of Hinnom is examined. From the bottom of the valley, you can see rocky terraces 25 to 40 feet in height and almost perpendicular. There are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom. Therefore, it is easy to conclude that Judas struck one of the jagged rocks on this way down, tearing his body open. It is important to remember that we are not told how long Judas remained hanging from the tree or how advanced was the decomposition of his body before his fall. Louis Gaussen relates a story of a man who was determined to kill himself. This individual placed himself on the sill of a high window and pointed a pistol at his head. He then pulled the trigger and leaped from the window at the same time. On the other hand, a person could say that this man took his life by shooting himself, while another could rightly contend he committed suicide by jumping form the tall building. In this case, both are true, as both are true in the case of Matthew's and Peter's accounts of the death of Judas. It is merely a situation of different perspectives of the same event. _____________________________________________________________________ Your only reason for rejecting this is, I believe, your attempt to discredit inerrancy. You haven't related how this is IMPOSSIBLE or highly unlikely. Here's what you said in an earlier post... _____________________________________________________________________ DB [quoting Tony Rose]... > There are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom. > Therefore, it is easy to conclude that Judas struck one of the jagged rocks > on this way down, tearing his body open. It is important to remember that we > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > are not told how long Judas remained hanging from the tree or how advanced > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > was the decomposition of his body before his fall. ""The added text in this version is so heavy that, assuming you are truly so opposed to such tactics, you should find it not credible. But you seem to find Tony Rose's eisegesis satisfactory, while clearly rejecting David Joslin's."" _____________________________________________________________________ Here, you discredit Tony's explanation based on what you deem too ""heavy"" for the passages. But you haven't addressed why you feel that way. You can say it's a vain attempt to reconcile the contradiction, but that doesn't tell me it didn't happen, nor have you shown why you reject that possibility. Questions: Is Matthew lying or is Luke lying? Or are they both lying? Or are either or both of them misinformed? Why do you think there is such an alleged contradiction? I do not think you have ever told us what you believe in this respect. DB... ""At present though, Mr DeCenso only asks two questions of me: > (1) You claim Acts and Matthew contradict one another in representing Judas' > death. I ask you again to provide evidence that Matthew stated Judas > died in the hanging. > (2) You claim that the 30 pieces of silver in Matthew that Judas threw down > in the temple and the chief priests used, is the ""reward of iniquity"" > in Acts that pictures Judas in some way purchasing a field with; > therefore there is a contradiction. Prove that the 30 pieces of silver > and the ""reward of iniquity"" are one and the same. Actually I find question (1) to be a rather stupid request, but I will answer it because he now restricts himself to two points. First I would point out that hanging is a very efficient manner for ending a life. In fact it is a bit of a fluke when someone survives hanging (except in fantasy cowboy movies), and even then it usually referred to as an attempted hanging."" MY REPLY... I work at an agency that investigates child abuse and neglect. Today, I got a call re: a child that attempted suicide by hanging himself because his mother is on crack. He failed in his attempt and is in a child's psych ward at a local hospital. Hanging attempts are not always successful. To assume that because most hangings are successful, this one was also is ""begging the question"", if I may quote you. [Last night, listening to _The Bible Answer Man_ broadcast, The Christian Research Institute's show, one of the scholars on there used several of these terms that you use. I am not all that familiar with them. The man on the BAM show teaches Comparative Religion and Logic. It was interesting] DB... ""This is so prevalent that, so that to say a man hung himself with no other qualifiers is synonymous with stating that he killed himself."" MY REPLY... Qualifiers are important at times, as we'll see in an OT passage I'll mention below. Does hanging ALWAYS have this outcome? Did Matthew, who is the only source we have re: Judas hanging himself, state that Judas died as a result? To say it's synonymous means it has the same meaning as. A boy (age 14) hung himself. But he lived. This is only one of probably thousands of documented cases we can discover. DB... ""Now I am not alone in this thought; in fact, since Mr DeCenso so respects Christian scholarly (including Greek scholars) opinion, I did some research."" MY REPLY... Thank you, Dave. DB... ""Interestingly, not one of the Christian references I read, interpreted the hanging as being anything but a fatal suicide. ^^^^^^^^^^^ MY REPLY... [^^^ above, mine] So it's OK to use Christian sources to back your points? What about Tony's position. Do you value it or even consider it as a valid possibility? Also, is it possible that the sources you read may be wrong, or lying, or deceived in other parts of their books? If so, should we do, as we have done with Archer, toss them to the side and not value anything they say, including their ""interpretation"" of the hanging of Judas? I am sure _you_ would find some errors and maybe even some deception in those sources. You also noted they ""interpreted"" the hanging as meaning he died. Although that is very possibly true, do you find that in the text itself? Remember, that's the first criteria we must examine. DB... ""This included: ""The Biblical Knowledge Commentary"" by Woodward and Zuck"" MY REPLY... Which I own. It's a good source of commentary info. But not inerrant. DB... ""The Interpreters on Volume Commentary on the Bible"" by Laydon ""The one volume Bible Commentary"" by J R Dunelow ""Word meanings of the Testament"" Ralph Earl ""The Abingdon Bible Commentary"" published by Abingdon ""Harpers Bible Commentary"" by William Neal (Actually I could have presented many more as well) MY REPLY... I appreciate your doing this research, Dave. Maybe we are getting somewhere in how we both should approach these alleged contradictions - more in depth study. DB... ""In each case, these references specifically describe that the interpretation of Matt 27:5 as successful, suicide and thus I can only conclude that the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Greek word ""apagchw""(ie: hang oneself) is translated as a successful hanging."" MY REPLY... [^^^ above, mine] No you can't only conclude this, although, as Tony says, this was a highly probable outcome. But Matthew does not state death as being a result. The Greek word is APAGCHO. Matthew 27:5 is it's only occurrence in the New Testament. In the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT used at the time of Jesus), it's only used in 2 Samuel 17:23 : ""Now when Ahithophel saw that his advice was not followed, he saddled a donkey, and arose and went home to his house, to his city. Then he put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died; and he was buried in his father's tomb."" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Notice that not only is it stated that Ahithophel ""hanged himself"" [Gr. Sept., APAGCHO], but it explicitly adds, ""and died"". Here we have no doubt of the result. In Matthew, we are not explicitly told Judas died. Also, there is nothing in the Greek to suggest success or failure. It simply means ""hang oneself"". DB... ""But Mr DeCenso, you are more than welcome to disagree and show more reputable ^^^^^^^^^ Christian scholars that insist that the hanging was not successful."" MY REPLY... [^^^above, mine] ""Reputable""? You mean ones that have never erred? As far as insisting that the hanging was unsuccessful, that can't be done, even by me. ^^^^^^^^^ As I said in an earlier post... _____________________________________________________________________ Although I still agree with Tony's exegesis as being the most probable explanation regarding Judas' death (taking into account several criteria), I've recently noticed some new things in Matthew. MAT 27:5-8 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself. But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, ""It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood."" And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day. First of all, notice that the text does not say that Judas died as a result of hanging. All it says is that he ""went and hanged himself."" Luke however, in Acts, tells us that ""and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out."" This is a pretty clear indication (along with the other details given in Acts - Peter's speech, the need to pick a new apostle, etc.) that at least after Judas' fall, he was dead. So the whole concept that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Matthew and Luke both recount Judas' death is highly probable, but not clear ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ cut. ^^^ _____________________________________________________________________ I also wrote... _____________________________________________________________________ MY REPLY... Here we have a stickler, Dave, that I have to say I just recently noticed. Let's look at the passage in Matthew: MAT 27:4 saying, ""I have sinned by betraying innocent blood."" And they said, ""What is that to us? You see to it!"" MAT 27:5 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself. MAT 27:6 But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, ""It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood."" MAT 27:7 And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. MAT 27:8 Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day. Notice verse 5...""Then he...went and hanged himself."" Matthew does not say Judas died, does it? Should we assume he died as a result of the hanging? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What does Acts say? ACT 1:18 (Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. ACT 1:20 ""For it is written in the book of Psalms: 'Let his dwelling place be desolate, And let no one live in it'; and, 'Let another take his office.' Here we may have a graphic explanation of Judas' death....So, my line of reasoning to dispel your contradiction myth re:the ""two"" accounts of Judas' death is this...Matthew doesn't necessarily explain how Judas died; he does ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ say Judas ""hanged himself"", but he didn't specifically say Judas died in the hanging incident. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ However, Acts seems to show us his graphic demise. Therefore, there is no contradiction between Matthew and Acts re: Judas' `death'. ....... MY REPLY... ...we do know from Matthew that he did hang himself and Acts probably records his death. Although it's possible and plausible that he fell from the hanging and hit some rocks, thereby bursting open, I can no longer assume that to be the case. Therefore, no contradiction. Matthew did not say Judas died as a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ result of the hanging, did he? Most scholars believe he probably did, but...? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ______________________________________________________________________ I quoted all that to show that I highly regard the scholars' explanations, but in looking at the texts initially, we can't assume Judas died. It is, however, highly probable. ^^^^^^ DB... ""By the way, while all agree that Judas died from the hanging, the books had different ways of dealing with the contradiction we are discussing. One simply ignored it entirely and simply referred back to Matthew's version as the correct version in both Matt and Acts. ""The Biblical Knowledge Commentary"" suggested the hypotheses that Judas hung and then when he rotted, his belly exploded (which doesn't explain his headlong fall), or that his branch or rope broke, and he fell to his death and his gut gushed out (which doesn't explain how a hanging man, would fall headlong rather than feet first)."" MY REPLY... The outcome of any fall is dependent upon many factors...how high the person was suspended before the fall, any obstructions such as tree branches that may have deviated the fall, how steep an incline of rocky surfaces the victim fell upon, thus possibly rolling or bouncing of several rocks, etc. In a superficial examination of the Acts passage and the Matthew passage, we are not given a lot of info on the geographical specifics, but Tony in the above quoted post gave us some... _____________________________________________________________________ A possible reconstruction would be this: Judas hanged himself on a tree on the edge of a precipice that overlooked the valley of Hinnom. After he hung there for some time, the limb of the tree snapped or the rope gave way and Judas fell down the ledge, mangling his body in the process. The fall could have been before *or* after death as either would fit this explanation. This possibility is entirely natural when the terrain of the valley of Hinnom is examined. From the bottom of the valley, you can see rocky terraces 25 to 40 feet in height and almost perpendicular. There are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom. Therefore, it is easy to conclude that Judas struck one of the jagged rocks on this way down, tearing his body open. _____________________________________________________________________ DB... Now truthfully, I do not see what is comforting about Matthew confusing the source of the Potter's field prophesy, but on the other hand the author is correct: Matthew does make that confusion. Of course a Biblical inerrantist who claim that every word of the Bible is guaranteed true by God, will have to thereby add one more contradiction to the death of Judas (ie: where the prophesy of the Potter's field came from)."" MY REPLY... Please, when we are done with this study on his death, remind me to discuss this with you. DB... As to your second question Mr DeCenso, you ask how we could be sure that the money with which Judas purchased the land, was indeed for the betrayal, rather than some other source. I would point out that in Acts, where it specifically mention ""the reward of iniquity"" [Acts 1:18], it also specifically mentions what act of iniquity they were talking about (ie: Acts 1:16 ""...concerning Judas who was guide to those who arrested Jesus.""). Now I would point out that when the Bible describes an act of ""iniquity,"" and then immediately discusses ""*the* reward of iniquity,"" it would be rather inane to suggest that it was an action of iniquity other than the one discussed."" MY REPLY... Dave, we are getting somewhere, aren't we! ACT 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples (altogether the number of names was about a hundred and twenty), and said, ACT 1:16 ""Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus; ACT 1:17 ""for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry."" ACT 1:18 (Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. ACT 1:19 And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem; so that field is called in their own language, Akel Dama, that is, Field of Blood.) ACT 1:20 ""For it is written in the book of Psalms: 'Let his dwelling place be desolate, And let no one live in it'; and, 'Let another take his office.' Notice that in verse 16, the word ""iniquity"" is not used. Rather, it states that Judas ""became a guide to those who arrested Jesus"". But the writer DID NOT stop there...vs. 17, ""for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry."" What part did Judas play in their ministry? ^^^^^^ JOH 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it. JOH 13:29 For some thought, because Judas had the money box, that Jesus had said to him, ""Buy those things we need for the feast,"" or that he should give something to the poor. So, now we know what part Judas played - he was a treasurer, per se. Right after Peter stated that Judas played a part in this ministry (treasurer, according to John), THEN Luke adds the parenthetical explanation of ""wages of iniquity"" - money that should have been put into the ministry, but was stolen by Judas to purchase a field. I believe this is a better exegetical explanation of what the ""wages of iniquity"" are. What do you think, Dave? DB... ""Now since I have given you clear answers (and even references), perhaps you could unequivocally state what type of inerrantist you are (instead of asking me what type I think you are, as you did to Mr Joslin)."" MY REPLY... I will gladly admit that I am a Complete Inerrantist, although I do not have that big a problem with the Limited Inerrancy view. Frank -- ""If one wished to contend with Him, he could not answer Him one time out of a thousand."" JOB 9:3 ";-1;0 "From: swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) Subject: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: University of Technology, Sydney Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: acacia.ccsd.uts.edu.au Summary: Cooling Towers?. Anyone know how they work? Keywords: Nuclear Organisation: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that this board would be most appropriate. I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? I hope someone can help ";11;1 "From: npm@netcom.com (Nancy P. Milligan) Subject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I'd dump him. Rude is rude and it seems he enjoys belittling and humiliating you. But don't just dump him, write to him and tell him why you are firing him. If you can, think about sending a copy of your letter to whoever is in charge of the clinic where he works, if applicable, or maybe even to the AMA. Don't be vindictive in your letter, be truthful but VERY firm. But don't be a victim and just put up with it. Take control! It'll make you feel great! Nancy M. -- Nancy P. Milligan npm@netcom.com or npm@dale.cts.com ";-1;0 "From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) Subject: Re: Sweden-Finland, April 14 In-Reply-To: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 06:32:53 GMT Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Lines: 36 In <1993Apr15.063253.17375@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se writes: > > Played in Stockholm Globe arena, April 14 1993: > =============================================== > > SWEDEN - FINLAND 4-3 (2-0,0-2,2-1) > > 1st: SWE 1-0 Jan Larsson (Stefan Nilsson,Patrik Juhlin) 3:15 > SWE 2-0 Peter Popovic (Mikael Renberg,Thomas Rundqvist) 16:20 > 2nd: FIN 2-1 Mika Nieminen (Ville Siren,Mikko Haapakoski) 0:40 > FIN 2-2 Timo Saarikoski (Vesa Viitakoski,Harri Laurila) 17:48 (sh) > 3rd: SWE 3-2 Fredrik Stillman (Stefan Nilsson,Patrik Juhlin) 7:35 (pp) > SWE 4-2 Mikael Renberg 8:40 > FIN 4-3 Saku Koivu (Mika Alatalo) 13:17 > > Shots on goal: Penalties: Attendance: Referee: > Sweden 14 12 15 - 41 4*2min 12,470 Borje Johansson > Finland 12 9 9 - 30 9*2min (Sweden) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, if things were different and I had my way, the headline would be: ""NHL, European Division regular season game: Stockholm Storm vs. Helsinki Tornado 4-3..."" Two games against every North American-based team (46 in all), and this might have been the ninth and final regular season encounter between Helsinki and Stockholm. The remaining 27 games would involve Paris, Dortmund, Milan... A nice dream. MARCU$ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson > \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se > \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey ";-1;0 "From: house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Keywords: Dan Bissell Organization: University of Southern Queensland Lines: 42 bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: > First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It I _know_ I shouldn't get involved, but... :-) [bit deleted] > The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a >modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. > Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would >die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People >gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing >someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did >heal people. > Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn >to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example >anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see >this right away. > Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the >real thing. Righto, DAN, try this one with your Cornflakes... The book says that Muhammad was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a modern day Mad Mahdi) or he was actually who he said he was. Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing how his son-in-law made the sun stand still. Call me a fool, but I believe he did make the sun stand still. Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example anyone who is drawn to the Mad Mahdi is obviously a fool, logical people see this right away. Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the real thing. -- Ron House. USQ (house@helios.usq.edu.au) Toowoomba, Australia. ";9;1 "From: bluelobster+@cmu.edu (David O Hunt) Subject: Conversions Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 13 On 12-Apr-93 in Environmentalism and paganism user Michael Covington@aisun3 writes: >I would like to see Christians devote a bit less effort to _bashing_ >paganism and more to figuring out how to present the Gospel to pagans. > >Christ is the answer; the pagans have a lot of the right questions. >Unlike materialists, who deny the need for any spirituality. And what of those of us who already have answers to their questions without turning to christianity (or, in my case, any religion)? Whay RIGHT do you have to presume to lecture me about what I should believe?? David Hunt ";-1;0 "From: ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Ian Farquhar) Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only Organization: Macquarie University, Sydney Australia Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au In article <1r0ausINNi01@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes: >The chip and algorithm are classified. If you reverse engineer it and >tell people, you are likely to go to jail. I don't find this a credible argument, for two reasons. One you have supplied below: unless I care about entering the USA at any time in the future (eg. the Taiwanese backyard cloners - who BTW have been known to decap custom silicon and reproduce it on daughterboards when pirating high-profit arcade machines and the like - who wouldn't care less), I am not going to care much about US confidentiality, am I? Only people like the real me, who does care about travelling to various countries for business reasons, will sit up and follow laws like this, but I would contend that we're not the main threat. I also have grave doubts whether an algorythm widely distributed in silicon could possibly be called ""classified."" It's like handing out military secrets to the whole world in envelopes marked ""don't open me."" I can imagine several credible defences which could be employed if it came to a trial. One would be the stupidity of the government's actions. >Perhaps some foreign governments or corporations could help us out by >cracking the system outside the USA. The US government could probably >stop importation of clone hardware, but a software implementation >should be practical. Amusing thought: could they have employed an algorythm which is infeasable for a fast software implementation, but which is easy in custom hardware? In DES, the extensive use of permutation tables (trivial in hardware: you just swap bus lines), but relatively slow in software have had a big effect on the speed difference between hardware and software implementations of that cipher (indeed, I suspect that Lucifer's designers were well aware that it would be, and approved.) Certain algorythms (usually parallel search algorythms) can be very slow in software, yet can fly in custom hardware. I have no proof of their employment in Clipper -- it is pure conjecture. However, as a software implementation of this cipher is something that its designers would have been trying to avoid at all costs, then the inclusion of such techniques seems credible. Hmmm... I also wonder what Intergraph thinks about the use of the name ""Clipper"" for this device. :) -- Ian Farquhar Phone : + 61 2 805-9400 Office of Computing Services Fax : + 61 2 805-7433 Macquarie University NSW 2109 Also : + 61 2 805-7420 Australia EMail : ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au. ";-1;0 "From: roger@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Mullane) Subject: Re: 86 Acura Integra 5-speed Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 26 I have a 1986 Acura Integra 5 speed with 95,000 miles on it. It is positively the worst car I have ever owned. I had an 83 Prelude that had 160k miles on it when I sold it, and it was still going strong . This is with religious attention to maintenance such as oil changes etc. Both cars were driven in exactly the same manner.. 1. It has gone through two clutches (which are underrated.) 2. 3 sets of tires (really eats tires in the front even with careful align) 3. All struts started leaking about 25-30k miles 4. Windshield wiper motor burned up (service note on this one) 5. Seek stop working on radio about 20k miles 6. Two timing belts. 7. Constant error signals from computer. 8. And finally. A rod bearing went out on the No. 1 piston seriously damaging the crankshaft, contaminating the engine etc. When the overhaul was done last week it required new crankshaft, one new cam shaft (has two) because the camshaft shattered when they tried to mill it. The camshaft took 4 weeks to get because it is on national back order. Everything on the engine is unique to the 1986 year. They went to a new design in 87. Parts are very expensive. No way would I ever buy another Acura. It is highly overrated. . ";10;1 "From: ederveen@athena.research.ptt.nl (Ederveen D.) Subject: Micro World Data Bank II ? Nntp-Posting-Host: athena.research.ptt.nl Reply-To: D.N.M.Ederveen@research.ptt.nl Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands Lines: 18 I'm looking for a database called ""Micro World Data Bank II"", a database with digital map information containing 178,068 latitude, longitude points. It is said to be in the public domain. If anyone knows a place where I can get it (preferably FTP/gopher/mailserver etc.; otherwise snail mail) please let me know. I you have it yourself and are willing to send me the file, drop me a line. I'll be using it with a program called VERSAMAP by Charles H. Culberson. If anyone knows of another detailed database that can be used with this program (preferably PD), I would be very interested. Replies by e-mail please, directly to me, I don't read this group regularly. If there's interest I'll post a summary, of course. -- Derk Ederveen (FidoNet 2:283/323) tel. +31-70-3323202 D.N.M.Ederveen@research.ptt.nl / ederveen@hlsdnl5.bitnet fax. +31-70-3326477 x400: /c=nl/admd=400net/prmd=ptt research/o=ptt research/s=ederveen/i=dnm ** ""I wish I was a warrior, in every language that I speak"" - Lou Reed ** ";-1;0 "From: quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Stephen Quan) Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed Keywords: polygon, needed Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia. Lines: 22 osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.192947.11230@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes: >>In article osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes: >>>[...], but I'm looking for a fast polygon routine to be used in a 3D game. >>A fast polygon routine to do WHAT? >To draw polygons of course. Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, [...] Hi, I've come across a fast triangle fill-draw routine for mode 13h. By calling this routine enough times, you have a fast polygon drawing routine. I think I ftp'ed from wuarchive.wustl.edu:/pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/programming. I have a copy of it so I reupload it there. The triangle.txt file has this to say : > C and inline assembly source for a VGA mode 13h triangle drawer. -- Stephen Quan (quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au) Tel : 002 202844 (local) Research Fellow, Computer Scientist, Fax : 002 240282 (local) Centre for Spatial Information Systems, Tel : 61 02 202844 University of Tasmania, Australia. Fax : 61 02 240282 ";-1;0 "From: bjorndahl@augustana.ab.ca Subject: Re: document of .RTF Organization: Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta Lines: 10 In article <1993Mar30.113436.7339@worak.kaist.ac.kr>, tjyu@eve.kaist.ac.kr (Yu TaiJung) writes: > Does anybody have document of .RTF file or know where I can get it? > > Thanks in advance. :) I got one from Microsoft tech support. -- Sterling G. Bjorndahl, bjorndahl@Augustana.AB.CA or bjorndahl@camrose.uucp Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta, Canada (403) 679-1100 ";-1;0 "From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) Subject: BMW's new plant in Greer, SC Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu Is anyone reading this message involved with the new BMW plant? (does BMW corporate even have a net-connection?) desperately seeking info, Jeff Hagen hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu ";-1;0 "From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Subject: Re: insect impacts Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC Lines: 35 Distribution: world Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: >>> >>>how _do_ the helmetless do it? >> >>Um, the same way people do it on >>horseback > >not as fast, and they would probably enjoy eating bugs, anyway Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain. And we eat flies, thank you. >>jeeps > >you're *supposed* to keep the windscreen up then why does it go down? >>snow skis > >NO BUGS, and most poeple who go fast wear goggles So do most helmetless motorcyclists. >The question still stands. How do cruiser riders with no or negligible helmets >stand being on the highway at 75 mph on buggy, summer evenings? helmetless != goggleless --- Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... ";-1;0 "From: tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Distribution: The entire Nugent family Organization: Computervision Lines: 29 In article <1qc2fu$c1r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: >Loud pipes are a biligerent exercise in ego projection, No arguements following, just the facts. I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my *stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention. I instinctively revved my engine before I went for my horn. Don't know why, but I did it and it worked. Thats rather important. I am not saying ""the louder the pipes the better"". My Harley is loud and it gets me noticed on the road for that reason. I personally do not feel it is to loud. If you do, well thats to bad; welcome to America - ""Home of the Free, Land of the Atlanta Braves"". If you really want a fine tuned machine like our federal government to get involved and pass Db restrictions; it should be generous enough so that a move like revving your engine will get you noticed. Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or how long it would take me to push my horn button?? And aren't you the guy that doesn't even have a bike??? Tod J. Johnson DoD #883 ""Go Slow, Take Geritol"" ";-1;0 "From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) Subject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Lines: 29 In article <1483500346@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: >Those who wish to learn something about the perversion of Judaism, >should consult the masterly work by Yehoshua Harkabi, who was many >years the head of Israeli Intelligence and an opponent of the PLO. His >latest book was published in English and includes a very detailed analysis >of Judeo-Nazism. You mean he talks about those Jews, who, because of their self hatred, spend all their time attacking Judaism, Jews, and Israel, using the most despicable of anti-Semetic stereotypes? I don't think we need to coin a term like ""Jedeo-Nazism"" to refer to those Jews who, in their endless desire to be accepted by the Nazis, do their dirty work for them. We can just call them house Jews, fools, or anti-Semites from Jewish families. I think ""house Jews,"" a reference to a person of Jewish ancestry who issues statements for a company or organization that condemn Judaism is perfectly sufficeint. I think a few years free of their anti-Semetic role models would do wonders for most of them. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow ";-1;0 "From: charles@tinman.dev.prodigy.com () Subject: Re: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? Nntp-Posting-Host: tinman Organization: Prodigy Services Company, White Plains, NY Lines: 11 Have you tried re-installing the software? Otherwise I would be dubious about simple ways to change that screen. Is it not designed to be an embarassment to would be pirates? -Charles -- Charles Emmons | charles@trintex.uucp | These opinions are Prodigy Services Co. | charles%trintex@uunet.uu.net | mine alone, unless White Plains NY 10601 | Voice 914-993-8856 | you would like to PRODIGY ID - KJRD82A | FAX 914-993-8659 | share them. ";-1;0 "From: gaia@carson.u.washington.edu (I/We are Gaia) Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 115 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article oprsfnx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Stephen F. Nicholas) writes: >daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes: > > >>> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next >>> year with all new models. > > >>Junk? They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and >>acceleration. They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not >>the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class >>leader. You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4 >>turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K. > > > As an ex-Fleet Mgr. of 3000 cars, they were amoung the most trouble free of >all models. I bought one for my wife. > *nnnnnnnng* Thank you for playing, I cannot agree with this. I believed this and to put it nicely, it was a piece of junk! I loved this car, I babied it, I pampered it, and after 2 years, it just couldn't stay together, I would say that not everyone will have the problems that I had, but know this, it's not just the car, it is the ability to get the car fixed, which will NOT happen at any chrysler/dodge/take your pick dealer. I don't care if there are going to reform their dealers/service with the intro of the LH cars, I will believe it when I see it. Case and point, the local dodge dealer. You drive up, just looking, you don't even get out of your door, when about 10 (yes 10) salesman all eye you like their next meal, and literally pounce on you, and try to get you to make a deal, on everything your eye wanders towards. Service is about 2 times worse than that. I had an alignment problem, but they tried to tell me that the K frame was bent, and about 2000 dollars of work/parts to fix it. Let me tell you the problems I had, and I took care of this car, I put alot of miles on it in the first couple years, but took it to every checkup it needed, and many that shouldn't have been. 1988 Dodge Shadow ES These were replaced within the 4 years that I owned the car. Engine 4 Alternators Rear Suspension Torsion Bar 2 Water pumps 5 thermostats Hall effect sensor Main computer 4 Batteries These were rebuilt/repaired Radiator Automatic Transmission Power Steering Those are just the things I can remember off the top of my head. For about a year before I sold the car, I said to myself, it's a good car, I just can't find anybody competent enough the fix it. In the end, before I traded it in for a Saturn, the power steering started acting up again. I just stopped putting money into it. I must have put at least $5000-$7000 worth of repairs over it's lifetime. I am sorry but Lee Iacocca can bite me. Bullshit, whoever backs em best, is just afraid the stupid things are going to fall apart, and no one will buy them without assurance, why the hell do you think that LH has been nicknamed Last Hope. You can do better, and I know people will disagree with me here, but Japanese, like Honda, or Toyota, or the only american car company that I feel is a quality product, Saturn. I will not touch another chrysler product again, no way. I don't care how good the LH cars look good, and I will admit they look promising, but not with the support that you get. GM isn't much better, thank god, they don't control Saturn, like they do their divisions, or it would be just another marketing ploy. Don't get me wrong, i will be watching my car (which I do like) like a hawk for the next 4 years. I am much more hesitant to say it (or any) car is really good, until it has proved itself to me. But since someone else pointed out C&D as a source. I will note, because I used to read these magazines, that Car and Driver has never had a good thing to say about most Chrysler products (Shadow for one), always were they moaning about the reguritated K-car, and engine. Whereas Motor Trend always thought they were great cars. No car magazine is really objective. And although there are alot of people who don't like Consumers Reports, I will use them to reinforce my argument (I already know about the big stink with the Saturn crash tests, time will tell how good a car they are), the shadow/sundance rate much worse than average, in fact none of the chrysler's rate a better than average, I think the best one is just average. Excluding the diamond star/mitsubishi stuff and the LH's. You can find bad stuff about the Shadow. Try as I might, when I researched the Saturn, I could not find anything bad about it. There is a great deal of information about this company, just because it is a new american company and it has created quite a stir in the automotive community, for good reason. Much more than the introduction of any new model lines of any established company. I read an article, which had a sub-column, an I think this imprinted on me more than anything else. Some big wig in Toyota said and I quote, ""We are watching them very closely."" Come on, everybody grow up, the foreign cars, especially the japanese have been kicking our butts, for good reason, the american car companies could not make a good product or support the customer the way they want these days, to set in their ways, which is one of the reasons Saturn was created. They are still struggling because they haven't learned yet. They have the ability, the workers are not inferior, the technology is not out of date, but their attitude is, and they are just finding this out. It's called competition gentleman/women if you don't satisfy the demand of the consumer, well your out.. *asbestos suit on* Gaia ";-1;0 "From: depolo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeff Depolo) Subject: Need manual for HP 1740 scope Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu I have a HP 1740 scope that (I think) has a problem in the HV section. Symptom: started turning on and off on its own, making intermittant bright flashes on the CRT, and then finally, passed away. If you have a manual (or any suggestions), please send me mail. Will gladly pay reproduction/shipping costs plus a little $ for your efforts for the manual. Thanks in advance. --- Jeff -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeff DePolo WN3A Twisted Pair: (215) 337-7383H 387-3059W depolo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu RF: 443.800+ MHz 442.700+ MHz 24.150 GHz University of Pennsylvania ";-1;0 "From: scott@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Scott Shalkowski) Subject: Re: Doing the work of God??!!) Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 31 Desiree Bradley (Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote: <. . .. : The next Sunday, the sermon was about Joshua 6 (where the Israelites : take Jericho and then proceed to massacre everybody there --- except : for Rahab, who had sheltered the spies). With those reports about : Bosnia in my mind, I felt uncomfortable about the minister saying that : the massacre (the one in Joshua) was right. But what really bothered : me was that, if I was going to try taking Christianity seriously, I : shouldn't be so troubled about the reports of ""ethnic cleansing"" in : Bosnia. Certainly, my sympathies shouldn't be with the Moslims. : Considering that the Bosnian Muslims are descendants of Christians : who, under Turkish rule, converted to Islam could the Serbs be doing : God's work? Perhaps it would be useful to ask whether those doing the ethnic cleansing could be said to be loving those they are killing in the very act of killing. Does it reflect the attitude of God, who sends rain to both the just and the unjust? If not, then Christians should be uncomfortable with it. Jesus gave his followers the law of love to follow and it is by exhibiting this that disciples will be known. Doctrinal (or political) correctness is not the standard, so I don't see why Christians should be moved against the Serbs because their ancestors converted from Christianity to Islam. It seems to me that as a Christian you _should_ be troubled by the ethnic cleansing. -- Peace, Scott Shalkowski scott@arts.uwa.edu.au ";17;1 "From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic Keywords: ... and blessed are aluminium siding salesman ... Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. <1qkna8$k@fido.asd.sgi.com> <930416.140529.9M1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> Lines: 19 In article <930416.140529.9M1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes: >livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >>Not, of course, The Greatest Salesman in the World. That was Jesus, wasn't it? >No, J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs. Definitely, J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs, numero uno, top dog, not one can touch, not one can knock Bob out of the box. Bob kills me mon! Everyday! But close El Segundo (el subliminal) is the infamous Paul (birthname Saul) the Evangeline who became famous as a result of his numerous trampoline act tours of the eastern Mediterranean. Jesus on the other hand was duped, a pawn of the Con, fell pray to the Holywood Paradox (ain't nothing but a sign in the hills!). Like many Afro-Asians, Jesus found the earth all too pink! And to think that after his death, the Con changed him into a tall blond Holywood sun god! And I do mean that in the kindest way possums! Now Jesus does gigs with Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Lennon, Marley, Tosh, etc. Mostly ska beat jah-know! ";-1;0 "From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 18 In article visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes: > Please get an explaination of exactly what this ""non-toxic"" tear >gas was and what the delivery system was. I refuse to believe any >explaination provided by the FBI/ATF without lots of facts. > > I do not believe that there is such a thing as ""non-toxic"" tear >gas. > You are correct. See today's (4/21) Washington Post. The gas the FBI used is most certainly fatal in high concentrations. Of course, non-toxic tear gas is an oxymoron; the whole point of tear gas is that it is toxic, and its toxic effects cause people to seek fresh air. -- Legalize Freedom ";-1;0 "From: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: REVISED TECHNICAL SUMMARY OF CLIPPER CHIP Distribution: world Organization: Georgetown University Lines: 167 Here is a revised version of my summary which corrects some errors and provides some additional information and explanation. THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY Dorothy Denning Revised, April 21, 1993 INTRODUCTION On April 16, the President announced a new initiative that will bring together the Federal Government and industry in a voluntary program to provide secure communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement. At the heart of the plan is a new tamper-proof encryption chip called the ""Clipper Chip"" together with a split-key approach to escrowing keys. Two escrow agencies are used, and the key parts from both are needed to reconstruct a key. CHIP CONTENTS The Clipper Chip contains a classified single-key 64-bit block encryption algorithm called ""Skipjack."" The algorithm uses 80 bit keys (compared with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling (compared with 16 for the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of operation. The algorithm takes 32 clock ticks, and in Electronic Codebook (ECB) mode runs at 12 Mbits per second. Each chip includes the following components: the Skipjack encryption algorithm F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change) U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip The chips are programmed by Mykotronx, Inc., which calls them the ""MYK-78."" The silicon is supplied by VLSI Technology Inc. They are implemented in 1 micron technology and will initially sell for about $30 each in quantities of 10,000 or more. The price should drop as the technology is shrunk to .8 micron. ENCRYPTING WITH THE CHIP To see how the chip is used, imagine that it is embedded in the AT&T telephone security device (as it will be). Suppose I call someone and we both have such a device. After pushing a button to start a secure conversation, my security device will negotiate an 80-bit session key K with the device at the other end. This key negotiation takes place without the Clipper Chip. In general, any method of key exchange can be used such as the Diffie-Hellman public-key distribution method. Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice). The telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two values: E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field , which are transmitted over the telephone line. The law enforcement field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family key F. The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after an authorized wiretap has been installed. The ciphertext E[M; K] is decrypted by the receiver's device using the session key: D[E[M; K]; K] = M . CHIP PROGRAMMING AND ESCROW All Clipper Chips are programmed inside a SCIF (Secure Compartmented Information Facility), which is essentially a vault. The SCIF contains a laptop computer and equipment to program the chips. About 300 chips are programmed during a single session. The SCIF is located at Mykotronx. At the beginning of a session, a trusted agent from each of the two key escrow agencies enters the vault. Agent 1 enters a secret, random 80-bit value S1 into the laptop and agent 2 enters a secret, random 80-bit value S2. These random values serve as seeds to generate unit keys for a sequence of serial numbers. Thus, the unit keys are a function of 160 secret, random bits, where each agent knows only 80. To generate the unit key for a serial number N, the 30-bit value N is first padded with a fixed 34-bit block to produce a 64-bit block N1. S1 and S2 are then used as keys to triple-encrypt N1, producing a 64-bit block R1: R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] . Similarly, N is padded with two other 34-bit blocks to produce N2 and N3, and two additional 64-bit blocks R2 and R3 are computed: R2 = E[D[E[N2; S1]; S2]; S1] R3 = E[D[E[N3; S1]; S2]; S1] . R1, R2, and R3 are then concatenated together, giving 192 bits. The first 80 bits are assigned to U1 and the second 80 bits to U2. The rest are discarded. The unit key U is the XOR of U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are the key parts that are separately escrowed with the two escrow agencies. As a sequence of values for U1, U2, and U are generated, they are written onto three separate floppy disks. The first disk contains a file for each serial number that contains the corresponding key part U1. The second disk is similar but contains the U2 values. The third disk contains the unit keys U. Agent 1 takes the first disk and agent 2 takes the second disk. Thus each agent walks away knowing an 80-bit seed and the 80-bit key parts. However, the agent does not know the other 80 bits used to generate the keys or the other 80-bit key parts. The third disk is used to program the chips. After the chips are programmed, all information is discarded from the vault and the agents leave. The laptop may be destroyed for additional assurance that no information is left behind. The protocol may be changed slightly so that four people are in the room instead of two. The first two would provide the seeds S1 and S2, and the second two (the escrow agents) would take the disks back to the escrow agencies. The escrow agencies have as yet to be determined, but they will not be the NSA, CIA, FBI, or any other law enforcement agency. One or both may be independent from the government. LAW ENFORCEMENT USE When law enforcement has been authorized to tap an encrypted line, they will first take the warrant to the service provider in order to get access to the communications line. Let us assume that the tap is in place and that they have determined that the line is encrypted with the Clipper Chip. The law enforcement field is first decrypted with the family key F, giving E[K; U] + N. Documentation certifying that a tap has been authorized for the party associated with serial number N is then sent (e.g., via secure FAX) to each of the key escrow agents, who return (e.g., also via secure FAX) U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are XORed together to produce the unit key U, and E[K; U] is decrypted to get the session key K. Finally the message stream is decrypted. All this will be accomplished through a special black box decoder. CAPSTONE: THE NEXT GENERATION A successor to the Clipper Chip, called ""Capstone"" by the government and ""MYK-80"" by Mykotronx, has already been developed. It will include the Skipjack algorithm, the Digital Signature Standard (DSS), the Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA), a method of key exchange, a fast exponentiator, and a randomizer. A prototoype will be available for testing on April 22, and the chips are expected to be ready for delivery in June or July. ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND DISTRIBUTION NOTICE. This article is based on information provided by NSA, NIST, FBI, and Mykotronx. Permission to distribute this document is granted. ";-1;0 "From: lansd@dgp.toronto.edu (Robert Lansdale) Subject: Advice sought: Turning font outlines into renderable polygons Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto Distribution: na Lines: 53 I am seeking some alternate solutions on how to turn a Postscript Type 1 or TrueType font outline into polygons that can be subsequently scan converted by a 3D scanline renderer. I have been studying the problem of font conversion for a few years but have never had the need to implement such a system. Well, I now have the opportunity to write some font rendering software so I would like to have some of my questions answered before I jump into the deep end. The main problem I face is how to use the even/odd or non-winding rules to turn the outlines into a single outline polygon (my renderer can handle complex polygons so there is no need to reduce the polygons to simple polygons). For example, in the letter ""O"" there are two outlines: 1) The outside outline which is clockwise (TrueType font) 2) The inside outline which is counterclockwise. One common solution used by a number of rendering packages is to simply connect the inner outline to the outer outline at the point where the two outlines are closest. This is equivalent to descibing a ""polygon with holes"". The renderer will then make the appropriate hole since the interior polygon edges are in the opposite direction to the outside edges. I do not want to use this simplistic system since: 1) It will not handle all outline fonts properly (it is not a simple matter to connect the outer outline to the inner outline for some fancy fonts). 2) It does not properly handle the even/odd or non-winding rules. From my research over the years the proper solution is to use a trapezoid decomposition algorithm to scan convert the outlines into trapezoids (as is done by the Postscript and TrueType font rasterizers). These trapezoidal polygons can then be easily and properly rendered by the 3D scanline renderer. My question is: are there any better solutions to turning the outlines into polgyons other than the trapezoid decomposer? I am not fond of this solution since it creates excess number of polygons. Another question, for those in the know: what is the best algorithm to create bevelled and/or offset curves for font outlines? I have a dozen papers on these subjects but I can't tell which method is the best to implement. Thanks for any pointers. --> Rob Lansdale -- Robert Lansdale - (416) 978-6619 Dynamic Graphics Project Internet: lansd@dgp.toronto.edu Computer Systems Research Institute UUCP: ..!uunet!dgp.toronto.edu!lansd University of Toronto Bitnet: lansd@dgp.utoronto Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A4, CANADA ";-1;0 "From: geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Nntp-Posting-Host: ogmore.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Distribution: na Lines: 18 In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: > fishing expeditions without the target's knowlege. Don't give up the > right to be safe from that - that should be non-negotiable, and Clinton > and Co. know it (which is probably why they quietly developed this thing, > figuring if they get it this far, they can ram it on through). It always amazes me how quick people are to blame whatever administration is current for things they couldn't possibly have initiated. This chip had to take *years* to develop, yet already we're claiming that the Clinton administration sneaked it in on us. Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay the body at the proper door to start with. -- Geoff Kuenning geoff@maui.cs.ucla.edu geoff@ITcorp.com ";-1;0 "From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) Subject: HELP! Installing second IDE drive Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: azathoth.sura.net Recently my cousin got a second internal IDE drive (a Seagate 210MB, I can look up the model number if it's important) and I've been trying to help him install it. [I've got a vested interest, since my machine's busted and I have to use his until I get mine fixed.] He already has a Seagate 85MB IDE HD (again, I forget the model number but I can find out.) Anyway, I can't seem to get the bloody thing up. I've managed to get one or the other drive up (with the other disconnected), but not both at the same time; whenever I try, the thing hangs during bootup - never gets past the system test. The IDE controller's instruction sheet says it supports two drives; I think I've configured the CMOS correctly; the power's plugged in properly; I even learned about the master/slave relationship that two HDs are supposed to have (didn't know PCs were into S&M! 8^) and I think I configured the jumpers properly (the 85MB one is the master, the new 210MB one is the slave). The only thing I can think of is maybe I'm doing the cabling wrong. I've tried several combinations: controller - master - slave controller - slave - master master - controller - slave None of them worked. Unfortunately, I can't think of any others. Another possibility is that the 85MB one is already partitioned into two seperate drives, C and D, and the CMOS asks for ""C: drive"" and ""D: drive"" setup info rather than ""drive 1"" and ""drive 2"" like most others I've seen. Could this be confusing things? So, I need HELP! The drive came bereft of any docs, except for some info for the CMOS setup; the controller has a little piece of paper about the size of an index card; I cannibalized the cable (it's one of those with a connector at each end and the one in the middle, so it looks like a serial connection); now I be lost! Many, many thanks in advance! This is practically an emergency (I have two papers to do on this thing for Monday!)! Help! -- ----------------------- William Barnes SURAnet Operations wbarnes@sura.net (301) 982-4600 voice (301) 982-4605 fax Disclaimer: I don't speak for SURAnet and they don't speak for me. ";-1;0 "From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Subject: As today marks the 78th anniversary of the Turkish Genocide... Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) Distribution: world Lines: 65 In article <48299@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator) writes: >or, as we have painfully witnessed in Azerbaijan, would like to see >it happen again... Is this the joke of the month? 1. Your fascist grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920. 2. Your Nazi parents fully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry during WWII. 3. Your criminal cousins have been slaughtering Muslim women, children and elderly people in fascist x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag for the last four years. The entire population of x-Soviet Armenia now, as a result of the Genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people, are Armenians. For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government planned and carried out a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out of their homeland. After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks and Kurds. The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye. Today, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and Kurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia. Today, x-Soviet Armenian government covers up the genocide perpetrated by its predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against humanity. x-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide against the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds. Turks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands, to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland. During the 78th Anniversary, we come once again reiterate the unity of the Muslim People, the timelessness of the Turkish and Kurdish Demands and the desire to pursue the struggle for that restitution - a struggle that unites all Turks and Kurds. Today, we appeal to all Turkish and Kurdish people in the United States and Canada to participate en masse in the Commemorative Events, be they cultural, political or religious. Serdar Argic 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) ";-1;0 "From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (cutter) Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Distribution: world Organization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA Lines: 23 jon@atlas.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) writes: > > In article , wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wo > > A sad day for civil rights. But typical of NC (unfortunately.) > > If it is typical for the principle of reasonable doubt to be upheld in > North Carolina, then I would count that in the state's favor. > Reasonable doubt dates back to Human Rights. We are now in the time of Civil Rights. Civil Rights are issued by the State with whatever strings attached they choose as the Grantor of said rights. And if that means that verdicts are determined by the needs of the state rather than by guilt or innocence in a traditional sense, so be it. Being subjective rather than objective may make it harder to anticipate what is right, and you may be sacrificed for being wrong inadvertantly once in a while, but that really is a small price to pay for the common good don't you think? --------------------------------------------------------------------- cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris) All jobs are easy to the person who doesn't have to do them. Holt's law ";-1;0 "From: scornd4@technet.sg (HIANLEONG ONG) Subject: Re: ..Image processing Packages under X.. Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 20 Prateek Mishra (mishra@cs.sunysb.edu) wrote: : I am looking for a package that implements standard : image processing functions (reading/writing from : standard formats), clipping, zoom, etc. implemented : under X. Both public domain and private packages : are of interest. The particular application area I : have in mind is medical imaging, but a package meant : for a more general context would be acceptable. : Please reply to me; I will summarize on the net if : there is general interest. : - prateek mishra : mishra@sbcs.sunysb.edu keep tabs with the FAQ in sci.image.processing. There is quite a comprehensive compilation of image processing s/w (X included). I've ftp'ed ImageMagick and its great. Check out the FAQ its all there. ";-1;0 "From: andrew@srsune.shlrc.mq.edu.au (Andrew McVeigh) Subject: Re: proof of resurection Organization: SHLRC, Macquarie University Lines: 74 In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: > We also cannot fail to note the intense suffering a devastation which has been > wrecked on our world because of Christians -- who were certain they were > following Christ. From Captialist who have polluted the enviorment in strict > obedience to the Gensis command to subdue the earth, to Nazi's who have > ""justly"" > punished the Jews for the killing Christ (as well as the other progroms), the > innocent women who were burned alive in accordance with ""you shall not allow a > witch to live"", the Moslems who were killed in the Crusades, the god-fearing > men destroyed by the inquistion. The religious wars in Spain, France, England, > etc. Christianity has undoubtedly caused the most suffering and needless loss > of life by individuals whose certainity that they were following the > instructions therein, was unquestionable. There is much to grieve. > > randy Very interesting, but I also believe that you have presented a misleading argument. Christianity is not the cause of the massacres and horrific injustices that you relate, rather they are the fault of people who misunderstand Jesus Christ's message, and modify it to suit their own beliefs and aims, rather than alter their ambitions to be more in line with those presented as desirable in the New Testament. With every truthful and good message that carries authority or implied authority, comes the inevitable fact that some (many?) people will understand it in a distorted way, with inevitable consequences. The Bible's message is that we are to love all people, and that all people are redeemable. It preaches a message of repentance, and of giving. Unfortunately, all people have deceitful hearts, and are capable of turning this message around and contorting it in sometimes unbelievable ways. This is also a fundamental Christian doctrine. One of the problems is that you look at the world through the eyes of Western history. I think that you will find many, many cases of massacres that were instigated by people who never claimed they were Christian. I am not saying this to justify the massacres that were, but I am merely pointing you to a tendency which is present in humans already. Consider the world without Christianity. I doubt that we would have the same freedoms in the countries in which we live, if it wasn't for the peaceful doctrines of Jesus Christ. Perhaps we would even be confronted by a very harsh religion (I won't name any here, though one comes to mind) which would not even allow us the freedom of speech to debate such subjects. Point the blame at inherent human tendencies of thirst for power, greed and hatred. Please don't point the blame at a message which preaches fundamental giving and denial, in love for others. Yours in Christ, Andrew McVeigh p.s. I believe that a line of questioning like you presented is, strangely enough, compatible with becoming a Christian. Certainly Christianity encourages one to question the behaviour of the world, and especially Christians. I praise God for Jesus Christ, and the fact that we can doubt our beliefs and still come back to God and be forgiven, time and time again. -- ***** Andrew McVeigh ";-1;0 "From: () Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Nntp-Posting-Host: nstlm66 Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 21 In article <115561@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) wrote: >Khomeini advocates the view that > there was a series of twelve Islamic leaders (the Twelve Imams) who > are free of error or sin. This makes him a heretic. > Wow, you're quicker to point out heresy than the Church in the Middle ages. Seriously though, even the Sheiks at Al-Azhar don't claim that the Shi'ites are heretics. Most of the accusations and fabrications about Shi'ites come out of Saudi Arabia from the Wahabis. For that matter you should read the original works of the Sunni Imams (Imams of the four madhabs). The teacher of at least two of them was Imam Jafar Sadiq (the sixth Imam of the Shi'ites). Although there is plenty of false propaganda floating around about the Shi'ites (esp. since the revolution), there are also many good works by Shi'ites which present the views and teachings of their school. Why make assumptions and allegations (like people in this group have done about Islam in general) about Shi'ites. ";-1;0 "From: lhep_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Leonidas Hepis) Subject: Re: Prophecy on NYC Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 46 marka@travis.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: In soc.religion.christian you write: >Regarding David Wilkerson's prophecies. While I'm not real sure of >his credibility, I do remember a book he wrote, called A VISION or >something like that. He made a prediction that people who bought gold >would be hurt financially. At the time, gold was up to about $800; >now it is less than half that. This prediction stuck in my mind >because a lot of people where I worked were buying gold. Note that the above type of prediction does not require a God to be made. An expert in a field can also predict things based on experience. Beware of predictions like ""The volcano will erupt tomorrow!"" Don't follow the preacher because of such statements that come true. Note also, that if I'm describing a (hypothetical) death of a friend as a result of his passion for fast motorcycles, I might say ""his mother predicted he would die."" Of course, his father may have said ""he 'll make good money because of his hobby"" and depending upon the final outcome of the situation I end up mentioning the one that's relevant. A reader down the road will get the impression that the mother or father had predicted accurately the event, when it was just a casual statement. Finally, on prophesies, note that there are many prophesies that can be fulfilled my people, often to fool believers. If I say, ""Beware, the terminal will unexpectedly be shut off!"" and then after 2 secs I turn it off (or have someone come out from another room and do it) there was no prediction. A similar situation arises with the establishment of the Jewish state. While pressing for it, prominent Jews argued that it was predicted that they'd have a state again, and that the time has come. (I've read this somewhere, but can't think of the source - if you can, please let me know.) In this case, the establishment of the state does not really fulfill the prophesy since the prophesy was used in order to push for the establishment of the state. Deciding what was truely a fulfillment of prophesy is very tricky. -leo -- ""My mother wanted to save herself until marriage. Every |Leonidas Hepis day I thank God that she didn't. Because without pre- | marital sex, I would never have been born. Premarital |lhep_ltd@uhura sex -- what a beautiful choice."" - Greg Weeks |.cc.rochester.edu ";-1;0 "From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon) Subject: Re: New Duo Dock info. Summary: You don't know the products Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 27 aw@camcon.co.uk (Alain Waha) writes: >> nazario@pop.cis.yale.edu (Edgardo Nazario) writes: >>The info I am about to give is not a rumour, it's the truth. The new >>macintosh coming in the second quarter, will have a cpu of their own. ]Excuse me but... have not all Macs got a CPU!!! ]Alain Alain: Get your facts straight before you post something like this. The Duo Dock does not have a CPU of its own. It is a docking station with ports connecting various components, including the portable PowerBook with its own CPU. I guess these rumored new Duo Docks have a built-in CPU to perform functions of their own. Interesting! If they're not compatible with the current Duo models, I think you'll be hearing a lot more ""screwed by Apple"" complaints. Imagine a company obsoleting (ooh, a new verb!) a virtually brand new computer... sheesh... Ken -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University Internet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS ----------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: 8725157m@levels.unisa.edu.au Subject: Cold gas roll control thruster tanks Organization: University of South Australia Lines: 5 Does anyone know how to size cold gas roll control thruster tanks for sounding rockets? Thanks in advance, Jim. ";2;1 "From: brinton@icd.teradyne.com (Chris Brinton) Subject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cache Reply-To: brinton@icd.teradyne.com Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA Lines: 38 In article 6819@sol.ctr.columbia.edu, penev@rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) writes: >On 15 Apr 1993 20:14:20 GMT Divya Sundaram (sundaram@egr.msu.edu) wrote: > >| I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers. >| I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard. >| What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work >| under OS/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S/W). > >I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is >DX2/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB/s regardless of >the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between >5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the >interface between the controller and the memory. > >My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance. > >-- >Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu > >Disclaimer: All oppinions are mine. I also have a DX2/66 and a Maxtor 212. I have a local bus IDE controller (generic) and I get 985 KB/s. I tried swapping my local bus IDE controller for an ISA IDE controller and my transfer rate went to 830 KB/s. The specs for this drive show a maximum platter to controller transfer rate of 2.83 MB/s. I dont know how to get there from here. The local bus interface got me a little, but certainly not as much as I had hoped. I am also looking for a way to improve my disk performance, but Im not convinced that the controller is the bottleneck (although Im willing to entertain the possibility that it is). I am already running a big main memory disk cache, so Im not really interested in this solution either. --- Chris Brinton Teradyne, Inc. brinton@icd.teradyne.com ""My opinions are my own, but you're welcome to them."" ";-1;0 "From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Fractals? What good are they ? Organization: Purdue University Lines: 16 In article mdpyssc@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (Sue Cunningham) writes: > We have been using Iterated Systems compression board to compress > pathology images and are getting ratios of 40:1 to 70:1 without too > much loss in quality. It is taking about 4 mins per image to compress, > on a 25Mhz 486 but decompression is almost real time on a 386 in software > alone. How does that compare with JPEG on the same images and hardware as far as size, speed, and image quality are concerned? Despite my skeptical and sometimes nearly rabid postings criticizing Barnsley and company, I am very interested in the technique. If I weren't I probably wouldn't be so critical. :-) ab ";-1;0 "From: JDB1145@tamvm1.tamu.edu Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu In article <65934@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: > >Nanci Ann Miller writes: > ]The ""corrupted over and over"" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the ]current hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text ]has in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This ]shouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner ]are likely to makes some pains to make good copies. Tell it to King James, mate. ]C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, ] + but strife closed in the sod. ]mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: ]tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" John Burke, jdb1145@summa.tamu.edu ";-1;0 "From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig ""Powderkeg"" DeForest) Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion Distribution: na Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics Lines: 61 NNTP-Posting-Host: daedalus.stanford.edu In-reply-to: raible@nas.nasa.gov's message of 20 Apr 93 19:32:39 In article rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes: I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja. This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride (read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans). Communication: work out your own system. Or just slow down and holler back every once in a while. At reasonable speeds, even on my under-muffled Magna, we can hear each other. It's only above, say, 45 MPH that you can't really communicate. Balance: New passengers are a real pain, because you never know how they're going to react to steering. Some people catch on immediately and lean with me. Others are completely skittish about the leaning thing, and keep their bodies perpendicular to the horizon. This is a pain while turning, but manageable. The WORST are the passengers who stay perpendicular to the horizon, then REMEMBER in the middle of a turn and WHIP AROUND until they're in the `correct' position. This always screws up the line I've picked out. Here's my personal checklist of things to tell passengers: - attire: helmet, long pants, boots/heavy shoes, jacket. - Keep feet on pegs at all times, unless I say otherwise. Do not get on/off unless I say you can. (I've had people try to dismount in traffic, just as I'm pulling in to a parking space!) - Muffler gets HOT! ('Nuff said) - We get *GOOD* traction. We're not going to fall over. (Many first-time riders are surprised by how tightly you can turn!) - Turn dynamics: sit so that you feel like you're sitting upright and we're going straight. Trust your butt, not your eyes -- if you're confused, close your eyes for a couple of turns to get the feel of it. Or just hug me tight. - Please, no sudden moves -- shift your weight as desired, but be gradual, so I can compensate. - Your faceplate is yours to open/close as desired. - Trust is essential. Trust the driver (me) to do the right thing -- I've driven many miles on this thing, and know how to operate it. Enjoy the ride. (This is important to stress. For example, one of my first-time passwngers seemed to watch the speedo like a hawk: I drove her to the beach down 84, and whever we topped 35 mph, she'd holler, ""SLOW DOWN! I'M SCARED"" I humored her for a while, then simply covered the speedometer with the spare piece of duct tape I keep stuck to the top of the cluster. Problem solved: she watched the scenery instead of the instruments, and had a much better time. Based on her experience driving a Lincoln Continental, she was unwilling to trust my ability to choose a safe speed for the bike.) Usually I'll point out the controls, engine, transmission, brakes, tires, etc. and discuss motorcycle physics a bit too for first-timers. Helps calm their nerves, and gives the bike a chance to warm up. Watch out for gravel on the Mt. Hamilton road: there were lots of little mudslides after the last big rain; by now, many of the blind corners will be nicely covered with a carpet of little, round, nearly invisible stones. It doesn't help build trust when you slide out on a blind corner, on the first trip! Good luck -- have fun! -- DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK! ";7;1 "From: thornley@micro.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) Subject: Re: Erickson, Keith Miller? Article-I.D.: news2.C5LHyD.GEx Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. Lines: 17 Nntp-Posting-Host: micro.cs.umn.edu In article <1993Apr16.032554.12401@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> frankkim@CATFISH.LCS.MIT.EDU (Frank Kim) writes: > >HI, > >I was just wondering if anyone knew when Erickson >and Keith Miller are expected to come back and what >exactly ails them. > Dunno about Miller. If you mean Scott Erickson, currently the reigning Twins Least Consistent Good Player, he pulled a muscle in the neighborhood of the rib cage that made it essentially impossible for him to pitch temporarily, and is expected back on the mound Sunday. David Thornley ""With tickets to see one of the Scott Ericksons pitch"" ";-1;0 "From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) Subject: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1 Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 Lines: 282 Here is a press release from the White House. President Clinton's Remarks On Waco With Q/A To: National Desk Contact: White House Office of the Press Secretary, 202-456-2100 WASHINGTON, April 20 -- Following are remarks by President Clinton in a question and answer session with the press: 1:36 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: On February the 28th, four federal agents were killed in the line of duty trying to enforce the law against the Branch Davidian compound, which had illegally stockpiled weaponry and ammunition, and placed innocent children at risk. Because the BATF operation had failed to meet its objective, a 51-day standoff ensued. The Federal Bureau of Investigation then made every reasonable effort to bring this perilous situation to an end without bloodshed and further loss of life. The Bureau's efforts were ultimately unavailing because the individual with whom they were dealing, David Koresh, was dangerous, irrational, and probably insane. He engaged in numerous activities which violated both federal law and common standards of decency. He was, moreover, responsible for the deaths and injuries which occurred during the action against the compound in February. Given his inclination towards violence and in an effort to protect his young hostages, no provocative actions were taken for more than seven weeks by federal agents against the compound. This weekend I was briefed by Attorney General Reno on an operation prepared by the FBI, designed to increase pressure on Koresh and persuade those in the compound to surrender peacefully. The plan included a decision to withhold the use of ammunition, even in the face of fire, and instead to use tear gas that would not cause permanent harm to health, but would, it was hoped, force the people in the compound to come outside and to surrender. I was informed of the plan to end the siege. I discussed it with Attorney General Reno. I asked the questions I thought it was appropriate for me to ask. I then told her to do what she thought was right, and I take full responsibility for the implementation of the decision. Yesterday's action ended in a horrible human tragedy. Mr. Koresh's response to the demands for his surrender by federal agents was to destroy himself and murder the children who were his captives, as well as all the other people who were there who did not survive. He killed those he controlled, and he bears ultimate responsibility for the carnage that ensued. Now we must review the past with an eye towards the future. I have directed the United Stated Departments of Justice and Treasury to undertake a vigorous and thorough investigation to uncover what happened and why, and whether anything could have been dne differently. I have told the departments to involve independent professional law enforcement officials in the investigation. I expect to receive analysis and answers in whatever time is required to complete the review. Finally, I have directed the departments to cooperate fully with all congressional inquiries so that we can continue to be fully accountable to the American people. I want to express my appreciation to the Attorney General, to the Justice Department, and to the federal agents on the front lines who did the best job they could under deeply difficult circumstances. Again, I want to say as I did yesterday, I am very sorry for the loss of life which occurred at the beginning and at the end of this tragedy in Waco. I hope very much that others who will be tempted to join cults and to become involved with people like David Koresh will be deterred by the horrible scenes they have seen over the last seven weeks. And I hope very much that the difficult situations which federal agents confronted there and which they will be doubtless required to confront in other contexts in the future will be somewhat better handled and better understood because of what has been learned now. Q Mr. President, can you, first of all, tell us why, after 51 days, you decided -- Q Mr. President, can you describe for us what it is that Janet Reno outlined to you in your 15-minute phone conversation with -- THE PRESIDENT: I can't hear you both. If one will go first and then the other. Q Sorry. Can you describe what Janet Reno -- Q Mr. President -- THE PRESIDENT: I'll answer both your questions, but I can't do it at once. Q Can you describe what she told you on Sunday about the nature of the operation and how much detail you knew about it? THE PRESIDENT: Yes. I was told by the Attorney General that the FBI strongly felt that the time had come to take another step in trying to dislodge the people in the compound. And she described generally what the operation would be -- that they wanted to go in and use tear gas which had been tested not to cause permanent damage to adults or to children, but which would make it very difficult for people to stay inside the building. And it was hoped that the tear gas would permit them to come outside. I was further told that under no circumstances would our people fire any shots at them even if fired upon. They were going to shoot the tear gas from armored vehicles which would protect them and there would be no exchange of fire. In fact, as you know, an awful lot of shots were fired by the cult members at the federal officials. There were no shots coming back from the government side. I asked a number of questions. The first question I asked is, why now? We have waited seven weeks; why now? The reasons I was given were the following: Number one, that there was a limit to how long the federal authorities could maintain with their limited resources the quality and intensity of coverage by experts there. They might be needed in other parts of the country. Number two, that the people who had reviewed this had never seen a case quite like this one before, and they were convinced that no progress had been made recently and no progress was going to be made through the normal means of getting Koresh and the other cult members to come out. Number three, that the danger of their doing something to themselves or to others was likely to increase, not decrease, with the passage of time. And number four, that they had reason to believe that the children who were still inside the compound were being abused significantly, as well as being forced to live in unsanitary and unsafe conditions. So for those reasons, they wanted to move at that time. The second question I asked the Attorney General is whether they had given consideration to all of the things that could go wrong and evaluated them against what might happen that was good. She said that the FBI personnel on the scene and those working with them were convinced that the chances of bad things happening would only increase with the passage of time. The third question I asked was, has the military been consulted? As soon as the initial tragedy came to light in Waco, that's the first thing I asked to be done, because it was obvious that this was not a typical law enforcement situation. Military people were then brought in, helped to analyze the situation and some of the problems that were presented by it. And so I asked if the military had been consulted. The Attorney General said that they had, and that they were in basic agreement that there was only one minor tactical difference of opinion between the FBI and the military -- something that both sides thought was not of overwhelming significance. Having asked those questions and gotten those answers, I said that if she thought it was the right thing to do, that she should proceed and that I would support it. And I stand by that today. Q Mr. President -- THE PRESIDENT: Wait. Go ahead. Q Can you address the widespread perception -- reported widely, television, radio and newspapers -- that you were trying somehow to distance yourself from this disaster? THE PRESIDENT: No, I'm bewildered by it. The only reason I made no public statement yesterday -- let me say -- the only reason I made no public statement yesterday is that I had nothing to add to what was being said and I literally did not know until rather late in the day whether anybody was still alive other than those who had been actually seen and taken to the hospital or taken into custody. It was purely and simply a question of waiting for events to unfold. There was -- I have -- I can't account for why people speculated one way or the other, but I talked to the Attorney General on the day before the action took place. I talked to her yesterday. I called her again late last night after she appeared on the Larry King Show, and I talked to her again this morning. A President -- it is not possible for a President to distance himself from things that happen when the federal government is in control. I will say this, however. I was, frankly, surprised would be a mild word, to say that anyone that would suggest that the Attorney General should resign because some religious fanatics murdered themselves. (Applause.) I regret what happened, but it is not possible in this life to control the behavior of others in every circumstance. These people killed four federal officials in the line of duty. They were heavily armed. They fired on federal officials yesterday repeatedly, and they were never fired back on. We did everything we could to avoid the loss of life. They made the decision to immolate themselves. And I regret it terribly, and I feel awful about the children. But in the end, the last comment I had from Janet Reno, is when -- and I talked to her on Sunday -- I said, now, I want you to tell me once more why you believe -- not why they believe -- why you believe we should move now rather than wait some more. And she said, it's because of the children. They have evidence that those children are still being abused and that they're in increasingly unsafe conditions, and that they don't think it will get any easier with time -- with the passage of time. I have to take their word for that. So that is where I think things stand. Q Can we assume then that you don't think this was mishandled in view of the outcome, that you didn't run out of patience? And if you had it to do over again, would you really decide that way? THE PRESIDENT: No -- well, I think what you can assume is just exactly what I announced today. This is a -- the FBI has done a lot of things right for this country over a long period of time. This is the same FBI that found the people that bombed the World Trade Center in lickety-split, record time. We want an inquiry to analyze the steps along the way. Is there something else we should have known? Is there some other question they should have asked? Is there some other question I should have asked? Can I say for sure that no one -- that we could have done nothing else to make the outcome come different? I don't know that. That's why I want the inquiry and that's why I would like to make sure that we have some independent law enforcement people, not political people, but totally non-political, outside experts who can bring to bear the best evidence we have. There is, unfortunately, a rise in this sort of fanaticism all across the world. And we may have to confront it again. And I want to know whether there is anything we can do, particularly when there are children involved. But I do think it is important to recognize that the wrong-doers in this case were the people who killed others and then killed themselves. Q Mr. President, were there any other options presented to you for resolving this situation at any point from February 28th until yesterday? THE PRESIDENT: Well, yes, I got regular reports all along the way. There were lots of other options pursued. If you go back -- you all covered it very well. The FBI -- you did a very good job of it. I mean, the FBI and the other authorities there pursued any number of other options all along the way, and a lot of them early on seemed to be working. Some of the children got out, some of the other people left. There was a -- at one point, there seemed to be some lines of communication opening up between Koresh and the authorities. And then he would say things and not do them and things just began to spin downward. Whether there were other -- in terms of what happened yesterday, the conversation I had with the Attorney General did not involve other options except whether we should take more time with the present strategy we were pursuing -- because they said they wanted to do this, because they thought this was the best way to get people out of the compound quickly before they could kill themselves. That's what they thought. Q Did the government know that the children did not have gas masks? Q congressional hearings once the situation -- are you in agreement with that? THE PRESIDENT: That's up to the Congress. They can do whatever they want. But I think it's very important that the Treasury and Justice Departments launch this investigation and bring in some outside experts. And as I said in my statement, if any congressional committees want to look into it, we will fully cooperate. There is nothing to hide here. This was probably the most well-covered operation of its kind in the history of the country. (more, more) -30- ";3;1 "From: Mamatha Devineni Ratnam Subject: Atlanta Hockey Hell!! Organization: Post Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu Well, it's not that bad. But I am still pretty pissed of at the local ABC coverage. They cut off the first half hour of coverage by playing David Brinkley at 12:30 instead of an earlier time slot. I don't even understand their problem. If they didnt think enough people would not watch the game why would they decide to show most of the game? And if they showed the remaining 2.5 hours of the game, would it hurt to play David Brinkley at its regular time? They dont have any decent programming before noon anyway. I called the sports dept and blasted them on their machine. I called gain and someone picked it up. When I asked him why they premepted the first half hour of the Stanley Cup playoffs, he seemed a bit confused. When I explained a bit more in detail, he then said that's upto to our programming dept. call back on Monday. weel, I understand that the sports dept is not responsible for this preemption. BUt I can't understand how someone in the sports dept. can't even recognise the name of playoffs shown on the very same station he works for. Anyway, I am going to call them tomorrow and blast them on the phone again. I urge all Atlanta hockey fans to call WSB 2 and ask them not to do the same thing for the next 4 weeks. -Pravin Ratnam(Oh by the way, Pens rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Subject: Nintendo system + power pad + light gun + games = $80 Lines: 8 Nintendo 8 bit system, power pad, light gun (zapper), 2 controllers Games: Supermario, duck hunt, power field, and wings. Asking $80. Please reply to hv0@psuvm.psu.edu ";-1;0 "From: cheinan@access.digex.com (Cheinan Marks) Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 100 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] : Robert G. Carpenter writes: : >Hi Netters, : > : >I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle : >some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc. : > : >Can you please offer some recommendations? : > : >I'll also need contact info (name, address, email...) if you can find it. : > : >Thanks : > : >(Please Post Your Responses, in case others have same need) : > : >Bob Carpenter : > The following is extracted from sumex-aim.stanford.edu. It should also be on the mirrors. I think there is source for some applications that may have some bearing on your project. Poke around the source directory. I've never used this package, nor do I know anyone who did, but the price is right :-) Hope this helps. Cheinan Abstracts of files as of Thu Apr 1 03:11:39 PST 1993 Directory: info-mac/source #### BINHEX 3d-grafsys-121.hqx **** Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 14:13:07 +0100 From: Christian Steffen Ove Franz To: questions@mac.archive.umich.edu Subject: 3d GrafSys 1.21 in incoming directory A 3d GrafSys short description follows: Programmers 3D GrafSys Vers 1.21 now available. Version 1.21 is mainly a bugfix for THINK C users. THIS VERSION NOW RUNS WITH THINK C, I PROMISE! The Docs now contain a chapter for C programmers on how to use the GrafSys. If you have problems, feel free to contact me. The other change is that I removed the FastPerfTrig calls from the FPU version to make it run faster. Those of you who don't know what all this is about, read on. ******** Programmers 3D GrafSys -- What it is: ------------------------------------- Didn't you always have this great game in mind where you needed some way of drawing three-dimensional scenes? Didn't you always want to write this program that visualized the structure of three-dimensional molecules? And didn't the task of writing your 3D conversions routines keep you from actually doing it? Well if the answer to any of the above questions is 'Yes, but what has it to do with this package???' , read on. GrafSys is a THINK Pascal/C library that provides you with simple routines for building, saving, loading (as resources), and manipulating (independent rotating around arbitrary achses, translating and scaling) three dimensional objects. Objects, not just simple single-line drawings. GrafSys supports full 3D clipping, animation and some (primitive) hidden- line/hidden-surface drawing with simple commands from within YOUR PROGRAM. GrafSys also supports full eye control with both perspective and parallel projections (If you can't understand a word, don't worry, this is just showing off for those who know about it. The docs that come with it will try to explain what it all means later on). GrafSys provides a powerful interface to supply your own drawing routines with data so you can use GrafSys to do the 3D transformations and your own routines to do the actual drawing. (Note that GrafSys also provides drawing routines so you don't have to worry about that if you don't want to) GrafSys 1.11 comes in two versions. One for the 881 and 020 or above processors. The other version uses fixed-point arithmetic and runs on any Mac. Both versions are *100% source compatibel*. GrafSys comes with an extensive manual that teaches you the fundamentals of 3D graphics and how to use the package. If demand is big enough I will convert the GrafSys to an object-class library. However, I feelt that the way it is implemented now makes it easier to use for a lot more people than the select 'OOP-Guild'. GrafSys is free for any non-commercial usage. Read the documentation enclosed. Enjoy, Christian Franz ";-1;0 "From: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy) Subject: Re: So Why Does Clayton Cramer Fixate on Molesting Children Organization: Howtek, Inc. Reply-To: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy) X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 Lines: 76 In article <1993Apr04.071624.14068@armory.com> (talk.politics.misc,alt.sex,soc.men), rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes: ] In article <93093.073457RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: ] > I think the dialogue would go better if (at least some) gays ] >showed awareness of a practical issue. For example. men and women use ] >different toilets. Hence men who are likely to abuse girls have that ] >avenue closed to them. There are many other situations where it is easy ] >to prevent sexual abuse BETWEEN the two sexes through such measures and ] >social conventions. It is harder to prevent it with gays but if those ] >gays who do not abuse children (nor want to) became aware that this is ] >a practical problem that we can solve with good will on both sides, then ] >we can have protection for parents and children at the same time as ] >protection for gays in those ways that are of importance to their ] >pursuit of happiness in their own way. ] > ] >Just a thought ] > ] >Rohit Parikh ] ------------------- ] Sorry, Rohit, but you are responding to someone well-recognized as a ] flaming nut, i.e., Clayton Cramer. He must have been abused by a man and is ] living his life in an attempt to vilify all men who like sex with other men ] something slightly similar to the way his assailant liked it with him. He ] will alter or misrepresent anything he finds to try to prove that there are ] homosexuals who wish to rape little boys like he was coming out of the ] woodwork. There is no hope for him. In all probability he is secretly gay, ] which compounds his neurosis in his own mind, by thinking that someone else ] made him that way. I don't personally see how someone like him could walk ] and chew gum at the same time, as mentally crippled and dominated as he is ] by his fantasies. ] ] He would have you believe that the figures on the percentage of people who ] like to do it with the same sex sometime or all the time is way smaller ] than it is, but then he will virtually assert that everyone's queer and ] they're trying to get him. He actually believes, despite all evidence that ] homosexuals do some huge disproportionate amount of child sexual abuse, ] even though he insists that there may be as few as 1% of them in the male ] population! If there were that few of them in the population, San Francisco ] would currently be empty, because a significant portion of them have sought ] a tolerant atmosphere in that city, and the numbers simply do not work when ] you add up their home town origins. There is nothing to be gained by ] communicating with Clayton Cramer, he is unable to listen to anyone. ] -RSW ] ] ] -- ] * Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * ] * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are * ] * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* * ] * Real Men would never accept organ-slavery and will protect Women. * Sorry, but I don't see how the response applies to what was posted. Unless I am badly mistaken, Rohit is suggesting that protecting boys from men is different than protecting girls from men. There are situations in which boys and girls are apart from members of the *opposite* sex (due to social convention or whatever) and thus are safe (in at least some sense). These same situations don't (necessarily) protect the children from abuse by members of the *same* sex. If we can understand that, it's not such a tremendous leap to suggest that if we all think about it hard, *someone* may come up with a practical solution (or even a partial solution) to some of the situations in which children are made vulnerable to homosexuals who wish to abuse them. By working together ""with good will on both sides"", we may be able to start solving problems without restricting anyone's freedoms. Mr. Walz on the other hand is using Rohit's post as an excuse for personal attacks on Mr. Cramer. While Mr. Walz hasn't (by a *long* stretch) been the only one to flame Mr. Cramer, it is no less childish and it only serves to weaken any other arguments he may make in the future. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Roy Usenet: rick@howtek.MV.com America Online: QED Disclaimer: My employer's views are orthogonal to these. The early bird got worms. ";-1;0 "From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES Organization: NONE Lines: 67 In article <1993Apr20.173009.10580@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: |> >In article <1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: henrik] My response to the ""shooting down"" of a Turkish airplane over the henrik] Armenian air space was because of the IGNORANT posting of the henrik] person from your Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to henrik] drag ARMENIA into the KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. The henrik] KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000 henrik] years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS BY STALIN) are henrik] the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending henrik] themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. Agression that has NO MERCY henrik] for INOCENT people that are costantly SHELLED with MIG-23's and henrik] othe Russian aircraft. henrik] At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the henrik] KARABAKH crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL henrik] NEVER OCCUR again. DA] Armenia is involved in fighting with Azarbaijan. It is Armenian DA] soldiers from mainland Armenia that are shelling towns in Azarbaijan. Well, this is your opinion ! Turkish/ Azeris can BARK all they WANT since the ABOVE is UNTRUE. However, I am sure YOU GUYS would have NEVER brought up ARMENIA's involvement if KARABAKHI-Armenians had had HEAVY losses. DA] You might wish to read more about whether or not it is Azeri aggression DA] only in that region. It seems to me that the Armenians are better DA] organized, have more success militarily and shell Azeri towns DA] repeatedly. Read what ? The New York Times , that is publishing anti-armenian articles. Nop, I have my resources. Look, everyone knows how aggressive Turks/Azeris have been in the past. Armenians ARE NOT gona sit around and watch FIRE WORKS by AZERIS taught by TURKS. DA] It seems to me that the Armenians are better organized, have more success DA] militarily and shell Azeri towns repeatedly. Buch of non-sence CRAP and you know it. Who the hell you think you are talking to ? Azeris are FIGHTING LOCAL ARMENIANS in Nagarno-Karabakh. You tell me who has more MIG's ? Freedom fighters in Nagarno-Karabakh or Azerbaijan ? Again, I will say it for the last time, ARMENIA is NOT involved in this WAR and you guys WANT to bring this up in order to cover up the Turkish involvment in the Karabakh. Go ahead , REPEAT as much as you want. DA] I don't wish to get into the Cyprus discussion. Turkey had the right to DA] intervene, and it did. Perhaps the intervention was not supposed to DA] last for so long, but the constant refusal of the Greek governments both DA] on the island and in Greece to deal with reality is also to be blamed DA] for the ongoing standoff in the region. Not a chance ! You CAN NOT convince me (based on your REASONS)that your GOVERNMENT did the RIGHT thing to invade CYPRUS. DA] Lastly, why is there not a soc.culture.armenia? I vote yes for it. DA] After all, it is now free. Well, I am NOT in the position to agree or disadree with you. ";15;1 "From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: V-max handling request Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 14 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg () says: >hello there >ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly >comment on its handling . You're kidding, right? This is Flame bait in the extreme. V-max handling? Har har har har.... -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ ";-1;0 "From: barsz@bnr.ca (Peter Barszczewski) Subject: For Sale: TR-606 and Mirage Rack Mount Sampler Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 23 For Sale: Roland TR-606 Drum Machine Near Mint Condition (no scratches, fully operational). Sorry no Manuals. Asking $200 US + shipping Mirage Rack Mount Sampler Minor Scratches around rack ear screws with Advanced Sampling Option, 32 Disks and both manuals It's a long story, but I *may* have the Turtle Beach Vision, sample editing software for the IBM PC. Asking $400 US + shipping Send all e-mail requests to: barsz@bnr.ca Regards, -- Peter A. Barszczewski ( * (barsz@bnr.ca) ) ~|~ spirituality through technology. Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. ( | Montreal, Canada ) ";8;1 "From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Mossad unchecked - Girls faint in masse in Egypt Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world Lines: 31 In <1993Apr13.145325.15806@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: >In article , eldar@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Eldar) writes: >|> >|> I just heard it on the radio: CKNW in Vancouver, BC. Girls are fainting in >|> masse in Egypt. Nobody knows why, but the movement started in Nothern Egypt >|> and spread throught all Egypt. >|> >|> >|> I think that the MOSSAD, after the ""obvious"" involvement in WTC bombing, >|> tries to reestablish its reputation. What better way than making Egyptian >|> schhol-girls go bezerk. >|> >|> Maybe Hassan will share the light on this. >I am happy to annouce TII's second positive identifiaction. >Congragulations Danny. >Hasan As one who was born in Quebec and worked in Montreal, I feel I must defend the reputation of McGill University. It is a fine, old, creditable institution of higher learning. Thus, I can only assume that some under graduate student left his/her terminal on-line and the janitor has been getting access to it. REB ";-1;0 "From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Re: Killer Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 95 In article <1993Apr21.032746.10820@doug.cae.wisc.edu> yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen) responded to article <1r20kr$m9q@nic.umass.edu> BURAK@UCSVAX. UCS.UMASS.EDU (AFS) who wrote: [AFS] Just a quick comment:: [AFS] [AFS] Armenians killed Turks------Turks killed Armenians. [AFS] [AFS] Simple as that. Can anybody deny these facts? Jews killed Germans in WWII -- Germans killed Jews in WWII, BUT there was quite a difference in these two statements, regardless of what Nazi revisionists say! [SY] My grand parents were living partly in todays Armenia and partly in [SY] todays Georgia. There were villages, Kurd/Turk (different Turkic groups) [SY] Georgian (muslim/christian) Armenian and Farsi... Very near to eachother. [SY] The people living there were aware of their differences. They were [SY] different people. For example, my grandfather would not have been happy [SY] if his doughter had willed to marry an Armenian guy. But that did not [SY] mean that they were willing to kill eachother. No! They were neighbors. OK. [SY] Armenians killed Turks. Which Armenians? Their neoghbors? As far as my [SY] grandparents are concerned, the Armenians attacked first but these [SY] Armenians were not their neighbors. They came from other places. Maybe [SY] first they had a training at some place. They were taught to kill people, [SY] to hate Turks/Kurds? It seems so... There is certainly a difference between the planned extermination of the Armenians of eastern Turkey beginning in 1915, with that of the Armeno- Georgian conflicts of late 1918! The argument is not whether Armenians ever killed in their collective existence, but rather the wholesale destruction of Anatolian Armenians under orders of the Turkish government. An Armenian- Georgian dispute over the disposition of Akhalkalak, Lori, and Pambak after the Turkish Third Army evacuated the region, cannot be equated with the extermination of Anatolian Armenians. Many Armenians and Georgians died in this area in the scramble to re-occupy these lands and the lack of preparation for the winter months. This is not the same as the Turkish genocide of the Armenians nearly four years earlier, hundreds of kilometers away! [SY] Anyway, but after they killed/raped/... Turks and other muslim people [SY] around, people assumed that 'Armenians killed us, raped our women', [SY] not a particular group of people trained in some camps, maybe backed [SY] by some powerful states... After that step, you cannot explain these [SY] people not to hate all Armenians. I don't follow, perhaps the next paragraph will shed some light. [SY] So what am I trying to point out? First, at least for that region, [SY] you cannot blame Turks/Kurds etc since it was a self defense situation. [SY] Most of the Armenians, I think, are not to blame either. But since some [SY] people started that fire, it is not easy to undo it. There are facts. [SY] People cannot trust eachother easily. It is very difficult to establish [SY] a good relation based on mutual respect and trust between nations with [SY] different ethnic/cultural/religious backgrounds but it is unfortunately [SY] very easy to start a fire! Again, the fighting between Armenians and Georgians in 1918/19 had little to do with the destruction of the Armenians in Turkey. It is interesting that the Georgian leaders of the Transcaucasian Federation (Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia) made special deals with Turkish generals not to pass through Tiflis on their way to Baku, in return for Georgians not helping the Armenians militarily. Of course, as Turkish troops marched across what was left of Caucasian Armenia, many Armenians went north and such population movement caused problems with the locals. This is in no comparison with events 4 years earlier in eastern Anatolia. My father's mother's family escaped Cemiskezek -> Erzinka -> Erzerum -> Nakhitchevan -> Tiflis -> Constantinople -> Massachusetts. [SY] My grandparents were *not* bloodthirsty people. We did not experience [SY] what they had to endure... They had to leave their lands, there were [SY] ladies, old ladies, all of her children killed while she forced to [SY] witness! Young women put dirt at their face to make themselves [SY] unattractive! I don't want to go into any graphic detail. My grandmother's brother was forced to dress up as a Kurdish women, and paste potato skins on his face to look ugly. The Turks would kill any Armenian young man on sight in Dersim. Because their family was rather influential, local Kurds helped them escape before it was too late. This is why I am alive today. [SY] You may think that my sources are biased. They were biased in some sense. [SY] They experienced their own pain, of course. That is the way it is. But [SY] as I said they were living in peace with their neighbors before. Why [SY] should they become enemies? -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 ";-1;0 "From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Dreams and Degrees (was Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive?) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov In article , mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk (Del Cotter) writes: > <1993Apr21.205403.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >> Sorry if I do not have the big degrees >>and such, but I think (I might be wrong, to error is human) I have something >>that is in many ways just as important, I have imagination, dreams. And without >>dreams all the knowledge is worthless.. > > Oh, and us with the big degrees don't got imagination, huh? > > The alleged dichotomy between imagination and knowledge is one of the most > pernicious fallacys of the New Age. Michael, thanks for the generous > offer, but we have quite enough dreams of our own, thank you. Well said. > You, on the other hand, are letting your own dreams go to waste by > failing to get the maths/thermodynamics/chemistry/(your choices here) > which would give your imagination wings. > > Just to show this isn't a flame, I leave you with a quote from _Invasion of > the Body Snatchers_: > > ""Become one of us; it's not so bad, you know"" Okay, Del, so Michael was being unfair, but you are being unfair back. He is taking college courses now, I presume he is studying hard, and his postings reveal that he is *somewhat* hip to the technical issues of astronautics. Plus, he is attentively following the erudite discourse of the Big Brains who post to sci.space; is it not inevitable that he will get a splendid technical education from reading the likes of you and me? [1] Like others involved in sci.space, Mr. Adams shows symptoms of being a fledgling member of the technoculture, and I think he's soaking it up fast. I was a young guy with dreams once, and they led me to get a technical education to follow them up. Too bad I wound up in an assembly-line job stamping out identical neutrinos day after day... (-: [1] Though rumors persist that Del and I are both pseudonyms of Fred McCall. Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | ""We'll see you Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | at White Sands in June. Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | You bring your view-graphs, Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | and I'll bring my rocketship."" SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | --Col. Pete Worden on the DC-X ";-1;0 "From: colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen) Subject: Maxtor 2190 info needed (was Re: UNIX PC Software for sale) Organization: Carleton University Lines: 14 In <1qvs59$knh@crl.crl.com> bob@nntp.crl.com (Bob Ames) writes: >Here is a list of items for the 3B1 which I am selling: List deleted.......... >PPS: Priam D519 150M Hard Drives (Exactly same as Maxtor 2190, but faster) Does anyone know what the jumpers should be set to on the Maxtor 2190?? I have a 2190 that came off of a VS2000 that I would like to use on a PC. Thanks in advance...Colin. ";8;1 "From: wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 33 Thanks for the resposes as they were all good ideas and I am looking at using a couple of the ideas. I recieved in the mail today the spec sheets on the mil. spec version of Exar's XR-2240 timer/counter chip. It is stable down to -50 C and sucks very little power. They show an application for a ultra-long time delay (up to several years depending on the RC time constant). In this application, they have two of them cascaded together. The reset and trigger pins of both chips are tied together and the timebase of the second chip is disabled. In this configuration, the output is high when the system is reset. When triggered, the output goes low and stays that way for a total of 65,536 x the timing cycle of the first chip. The total timing cycle of the two chips can be programmed from To = 256 x R x C to 65,536 x R x C in 256 steps by selecting any combination of the counter outputs to the timer output. The beauty of it is, the timebase chip would only have to have a 100uF timing cap and a 391K resistor for 39.1 seconds per timing cycle. So I can get a maximum of 2,562,457.6 seconds between timing cycles (39.1 x 65,536 or about 29 days !) Of course, that's much more than I need (14 days). But the counter allows for 256 binary steps that can be selected for the output for the 'pellet puker'. After the first 14 days and it trips, it would reset its self for the next 14 day timing cycle and so forth. Power is still a problem though. A few ideas that you suggested was to bury the electronics in a hole dug in the snow (as an insulator) and put the pellet puker up on a tower above the estimated snow fall with a solar panel on it to keep a charge on a lithium battery pack. I like that idea ;-) This thing has to work for at least six weeks for three samples and the gas valves are 12 volts to spit the pellets out onto the snow. Anyway, I ordered the XR-2240's to see what I can do with them. Should be interesting (as long as I'm not the one that has to go digging up the pellets in the middle of Antartica freezing my buns off ;-) Thanks again everyone... -=-= Wes =-=- ";11;1 "From: easwarakv@woods.ulowell.edu Subject: CD'S FOR SALE Lines: 20 Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell Th following cd's are for sale. Each cd cost 10$ except otherwise indicated which includes shipping and handling. Achtung baby U2 * Joshua tree U2 ** The immaculate collection Madonna ** $12 Love hurts Cher * Garth brooks Garth brooks * Red hot ..chilli peppers.. ** OOOOOHHHHH TLC ** Light and shadows wilson ** * Used only once. ** never used, most of them are still in shrink wraps Please email to kGC @ woods.ulowell.edu ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Young Catchers From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA Lines: 27 In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: >Now, Keith Mitchell. As I recall (no stat books handy - surprise!) >he jumped from AA to Atlanta in 1991. He did so well that he was >returned to the minors, where he didn't do very well at all. Now >his career is in jeopardy. So how does he fit in with your >point. Good MLE's in AA. Moved him right to the big club. Now >he's one step away from being traded or moved out of baseball. >Duh. Methinks you recall wrong. Mitchell hit close to .300 in Atlanta and continued to walk alot after his promotion. He was then (I think) left off the playoff roster, and started the next year in the minors where even the Braves will tell you he underperformed because he was so mad at going back down. he struggled last year, no doubt, but even the Braves blamed part of it on the demotion. I'd much rather have Mitchell than say Mark Whiten on the Cards. Russ Smith ******************************************************************************* ""I don't know anything about X's, but I know about some O."" George Gervin on being an assistant coach ******************************************************************************** ";-1;0 "From: peba@snakemail.hut.fi (Petri Aukia) Subject: DIY - PhoneNET, MIDI adapt & MacRecorder Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-18.hut.fi Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Distribution: comp Lines: 7 I remember seeing complete instructions for making PhoneNET adapters, MIDI adapters and a MacRecorder lookalike. After a short search through Mac.archive and info-mac I failed to see any of the above. Any pointers? -- --petri.aukia@hut.fi-----------""Supreme Court Ruling: Bolo is an Illegal Drug!"" --peba@hut--""Computer Programmer Steals Minds of Youths Through New Tank Game!"" --pa----""Telephone Standards Rethought Because of New Addictive Computer Game!"" ";0;1 "From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST Lines: 3 They must be shipping that good Eau Clair acid to California now. Tom Freebairn ";-1;0 "From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 5. Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club Lines: 94 Note: These trial updates are summarized from reports in the _Idaho Statesman_ and the local NBC affiliate television station, KTVB Channel 7. Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial update: Day 5. Monday, April 19, 1993 was the fifth day of the trial. Synopsis: Government informant Kenneth Fadeley testified that Randy Weaver sold him two shotguns in violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934. U.S. District Court Judge Edward Lodge asks jurors not to hear accounts of the Waco fire because of possible influences on the Weaver/Harris case. The testimony of FBI Special Agent Greg Rampton apparently ended without further incident, as it was mentioned neither by KTVB nor the _Idaho Statesman_. The day was highlighted by the testimony of Kenneth Fadeley, who had been posing as an outlaw biker and illegal guns person named Gus Magiosono. Fadeley testified that he was acting as an informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms in his dealings with Randy Weaver. Fadeley began by stating that he had met Weaver in 1987 at an Aryan Nations summer conference in Hayden Lake, Idaho. The two then met again October 11, 1989 (note the huge separation in time) at a restaurant in Sandpoint, Idaho, to begin a weapons transaction. He stated that Weaver had said, ""He felt like he (Weaver) was being prepared to do something dangerous for the White cause."" The two later met October 24, 1989 behind the restaurant and later went to a city park to make the sale. During this second meeting, Fadeley was wearing a small recording device to tape the conversation. Weaver allegedly showed him an H&R 12- gauge shotgun with a 13-inch barrel and an overall length of 19.25 inches. He additionally showed a Remington 12-gauge shotgun with a 12.75-inch barrel and an overall length of 24.5 inches (NFA requires minimums of 18 inches for barrel length and an overall length of 26 inches). On tape, Weaver is reported to have said that he could perform better work once his machine shop is set up. The two then discuss the possibility of future sales. Fadeley then counts out three hundred dollars for the two guns and promises the balance of one-hundred fifty dollars when they next meet. (Note that the ATF could have simply arrested him here. Why did they wait until January 1991 - over a year later - to arrest him? This is not explained). The next meeting took place on Nov 30, 1989. Fadeley stated that his ""source"" had only come up with one hundred dollars instead of the one-hundred fifty he'd promised. At this point, Weaver suspected he was dealing with an informant, ""I had a guy in Spokane tell me you were bad."" Fadeley managed to convince Weaver otherwise. The _Idaho Statesman_ states explicitly that three tapes were made of conversations with Randy Weaver. Thus, each of these meetings must have been recorded. However, the _Statesman_ also reported that a tape of a telephone conversation involving Vicki Weaver (Randy Weaver's wife) was played to the court. There must have also been phone taps. These tapes were played to the court via both headphones and loudspeakers under the objections of Gerry Spence, Weaver's attorney. Spence said to a KTVB reporter that he wanted to make sure that the government proved its case, ""...if it has a case at all..."" according to the rules. Randy Weaver tore off his headphones and wept when he heard his wife's voice on the tape. U.S. District Court Judge Edward Lodge asked jurors not to hear accounts of the Waco fire because of possible influences on the Weaver/Harris case. Exactly how such information could affect this trial is not explained. Other notes: Sunday evening there was a report on KTVB concerning Kevin Harris. Unnamed agents within the FBI admit that they are surprised that Kevin Harris is still alive. First, they were surprised that he survived the initial gunshot wound(s) sustained in the initial firefight at the Y-junction. Later, when Randy Weaver was struck by sniper fire the sniper had reported that Harris had been struck (not Weaver). Finally, there was a report that the FBI agent who killed Vicki Weaver believed he was aiming at Kevin Harris instead. (This is what was reported). Critics are charging that the FBI was blatantly trying to eliminate the only non-government witness to the deaths of Samuel Weaver and Deputy Marshal William Degan. Some local people believe that Harris's survival is simply due to divine intervention. Tuesday, April 20, 1993 will be the sixth day of the trial. Kenneth Fadeley's testimony is scheduled to continue. ";3;1 "From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost) Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Distribution: usa Lines: 46 In article rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite) writes: >Andy Freeman writes: >>Joe Doll writes: >)>> ""The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien- >)>> tists"" lists hardware cards and application software packages for >)>> PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines. Focus is on engineering and scien- >)>> tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control, >)>> design automation, and data analysis and presentation. > >)>> If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal) >)>> mailing address. >> >>Don't bother - it never comes. It's a cheap trick for building a >>mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication. > >I have a copy of this catalog in front of me as I write this. >It does have tons of qool stuff in it. That's one. Any others? >My impression is that they try not to send it out to ""browsers"". Then they should have used a different advert. >It appears that if your not a buyer or an engineer they do not want to >waste a catalog on you. I'm both. I've made some $4k worth of PC products purchasing decisions for one company I'm affiliated with in the past 6 months alone. (In a delicious bit of irony, an interesting fraction went to suppliers that I suspect got my mailing address from these people.) More is in the pipeline right now. If they wanted to discuss these sorts of things, upfront is the way to do it. >When you get a catalog there's a ""VIP Code"" you And who issues that ""VIP Code""? (That policy implementation in the running for this week's ""silly twit"" award.) BTW - It turns out that I have several VIP codes. Here's the one I'm using for these sorts of things: ""6"". (If you want one, send me mail and I'll put you in touch with the folks who do the application interview; if you qualify....) -andy -- ";-1;0 "From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price? Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 19 In article <1993Apr5.135153.11132@wdl.loral.com> gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) writes: >Road and Track (2/88) BMW325is 0-60 7.5s, 1/4 mile 15.7s > (Road Test > Annual 1993) 0-60 8.3s, 1/4 mile 16.2s > > >Those are the numbers I was quoting, I have driven the older model but not the >newer. sure sounds like they got a ringer. the 325is i drove was definitely faster than that. if you want to quote numbers, my AW AutoFile shows 0-60 in 7.4, 1/4 mile in 15.9. it quotes Car and Driver's figures of 6.9 and 15.3. oh, BTW, these numbers are for the 325i. i don't know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it. but don't take my word for it. go drive it. -teddy ";-1;0 "From: G.R.Price@cm.cf.ac.uk (and thats a fact) Subject: Sax Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK. Lines: 5 Any more news on Steve's status since he lost the starting job would be appreciated Thanks gwyn ";-1;0 "From: estasic@ic.sunysb.edu (Edward Stasic) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (here we go again.....) Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: engws1.ic.sunysb.edu In article <1993Apr16.205724.26258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) writes: > >If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick >up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa >busmastering cards. > Do you recall which issue this was in? I posted a message related to this a while back to provoke an argument so that I could get the straight dope on this. This article would probably give me all the definitive answers that I want. Ed Stasic estasic@ic.sunysb.edu ";5;1 "From: peter@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Peter R. Tattam) Subject: Beta testers required for winsock version of Windows Trumpet Organization: Psychology Department, University of Tasmania Lines: 11 Contact me for details. peter@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- P.Tattam International Phone 61-02-202346 Programmer, Psychology Department Australia Phone 002-202346 University of Tasmania, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";6;1 "From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu In article pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes: >In article >bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: >>psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes: >>> But if we walk in the light, >>> as he is in the light, >>> we have fellowship one with another, >>> and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son >>> cleanseth us from all sin. >> It can not be a light which cleanses >> if it is tainted with the blood >> of an innocent man. > >Human blood sacrifice! Martyrdom of an innocent virgin! ""Nailed"" to a >wooden pole! What is this obsession with male menstruation? Christian: washed in the blood of the lamb. Mithraist: washed in the blood of the bull. If anyone in .netland is in the process of devising a new religion, do not use the lamb or the bull, because they have already been reserved. Please choose another animal, preferably one not on the Endangered Species List. Thank you. ";-1;0 "From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) Subject: Re: Waxing a new car Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com I just had my 41 Chrysler painted. I was told to refrain from waxing it and to leave it out in the sun!! Supposedly this let's the volatiles escape from the paint over a month or so (I can smell it 15 feet away on a hot day) and lets any slight irregularites in the surface flow out, as the paint remains a little soft for a while. ";-1;0 "From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) Subject: 1988 BMW K75S For Sale Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 10 3500 miles, black leather tank bra, tank bag, Corbin seat, Metzler 'B' tires. Garaged and pampered. I can't afford to continue paying NYC garage fees for two bikes so one of 'em has to go. Best offer above $4500 takes it. -- Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o ";-1;0 "From: baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters) Subject: Mathcad 4.0 swap file? Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO Lines: 119 Reposting and summarizing, for your information or additional comment. *** THIS IS LONG *** I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX (25 MHz), an Intel math coprocessor, and a 120MB hard drive with 20MB free (no compression). I have been running Mathcad 3.1, under Windows 3.1 in enhanced mode, with a 5MB RAM drive, 2MB/1MB Smart drive, and no swap file (permanent or temporary) for several months. I am interested in the faster Mathcad 4.0, but I am concerned about reported swap file requirements and the legitimacy of Mathsoft's claim about increased speed. TO 386SX USERS: Will Mathcad 4.0 run without a swap file, or insist that I use a swap file? So far, in response to a less detailed description of my setup, or in unrelated postings, the more informed answers, on the net or by E-mail, appear to be: 1) by fuess@llnl.gov (David A. Fuess) >> >> According to Mathsoft, no. Mathcad uses the swap file extensively so as >> not to overburden the physical resources. They say this is actually a >> win32s feature. A figure of 10MB was indicated to me as a minimum. But >> you might try anyway! 2) by bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler) >> >> I'm not all that certain that Mathcad is the culprit here. >> >> I have a 486/66DX2 with 16MB of main memory (less 2MB for a RAMdisk and >> a bit for a DOS session that is opened as part of the startup process), >> which I have been running without any swapfile. When I installed the >> WIN32s subsystem from the March Beta of the NT SDK, the WIN32s subsystem >> itself demanded the presence of a swapfile. The only WIN32s program >> I've run to date is the 32-bit version of Freecell that came with that >> subsystem. >> >> I gave Windows a small temporary swapfile (I'm leery of files that must >> remain in fixed locations on my hard disk), and all seems well. 3) by bca@ece.cmu.edu (Brian C. Anderson) >> >> What is Win32? I upgraded to Mathcad 4.0 and it installed a directory for >> Win32 under \windows\system . During the upgrade it told me that win32 >> was required. 4) by case0030@student.tc.umn.edu (Steven V Case-1) >> >> MathCad 4.0 makes use of the Win32s libraries. You've probably >> heard about Win32s, it is a 32-bit Windows library that provides >> much of the Windows NT functionality (no support for threads and >> multitasking and such) but can be run under Windows 3.1. 5) by rhynetc@zardoz.chem.appstate.edu (Thomas C. Rhyne) >> >> I also have 16 Mb of ram, and indeed Mathcad 4.0 insisted on a permanent >> swapfile; it would not run otherwise. 6) by bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu (Greg Bishop) >> >> 3) MathCAD absolutely requires 4MB RAM (with 12MB swap file) or 8MB RAM >> (with 8MB swap file). It will give you a not enough memory error if the >> swap file is less than 8MB. It is a MAJOR resource hog. If you do not >> load the symbolic processor or the smart math, it takes about 5MB of RAM >> (real or virtual) just to load (again, due to the win32s libraries. ******************************************************************************** * * * So it seems that in addition to the system requirements shown on Mathsoft's * * advertisement for 4.0, that you need a swap file, possibly as big as 12MB. * * Looks like I would just need an 8MB swap file, and would need to choose (or * * can I?) between a faster permanent swap file, or a slower temporary swap file* * * * Apparently a Win32 subsystem ships with Mathcad 4.0 - how much disk space * * does this require? * * * ******************************************************************************** I also received these answers: 1) by mfdjh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dale Hample) >> >> If you've got 16 megs of RAM, why not configure 10megs as a ram disk for >> Mathcad? DOS 6 permits different bootup configurations. ******************************************************************************** * * * Can Mathcad 4.0 + Win32 be configured to use such a RAM drive instead of a * * swap file? If not, I don't see how using DOS 6.0 for an alternate bootup * * would provide Windows with this swap file. Some time back I remember a * * discussion about the issues of using a RAM drive to support a swap file, * * but I thought this involved slower, < 8MB systems. * * * * I have DOS 6.0 but for various reasons have not yet done a full installation.* * * * By the way, is a full installation of DOS 6.0 required to avail oneself of * * the ""alternate bootup"" feature? Which files from the installation disks are * * required? * * * ******************************************************************************** 2) by wild@access.digex.com (Wildstrom) >> >> Presumeably, you mean without a _permanent_ swap file. If Windows needs a >> swap file, it will upo and create one if a permanent one doesn't exist. >> Permanent is generally faster though. I don't know why Mathcad wouldn't >> be happy with either type--Ver. 3.0 is and so should any program conforming >> to the Win specification. ********************************************************************************* * * * So far, 16MB has been enough RAM to avoid the overhead of running ANY swap * * file - I have been running Mathcad 3.1 under Windows 3.1 without one. * * * ********************************************************************************* ";-1;0 "From: tommc@hpcvusj.cv.hp.com (Tom McFarland) Subject: Re: Mysterious beeping Nntp-Posting-Host: hpcvusj.cv.hp.com Reply-To: tommc@cv.hp.com Organization: Hewlett Packard UTD-Corvallis Lines: 41 In article , defaria@cup.hp.com (Andy DeFaria) writes: |> [ Article crossposted from hp.windows ] |> [ Author was Andy DeFaria ] |> [ Posted on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:08:38 GMT ] |> |> For some reason the following code causes my X application to beep whenever I |> intercept a keystroke and change it's meaning. The intent of this code it to |> allow ""date"" fields the following special keys: |> |> [Tt]: Insert today's date |> [+=]: Bump day up by one |> [-_]: Bump day down by one |> |> I hardcoded some dates for this example. Perhaps I shouldn't be using an |> XmText field for this. |> |> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// |> // |> // For some reason the following code beeps whenever any of the special keys |> // of [Tt+=-_] are hit. Why? The idea of this code is to interpret these |> // keys having the special meaning implied by the code. I would like to get |> // rid of the beeping but, as far as I can tell, I'm not doing the beep and |> // am at a lose as to understanding who and why the beeping is occuring. |> // |> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// code deleted... >From the XmTextField man page (during discussion of resources): XmNverifyBell Specifies whether a bell will sound when an action is reversed during a verification callback. You are setting doit to false in the callback, and Text[Field] is beeping as it should. To turn off this behavior, set this boolean resource to false. Tom McFarland ";-1;0 "From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) Subject: Re: Why are there no turbocharged motorbikes in North America? Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 17 : In article <7APR93.20040687@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes: : >I just got to thinking: why don't manufacturers still make bikes with turbos? : > etc .... Because they add a lot of expense and complexity and make for a less reliable and less controllable bike. As an extreme example the CX500 Turbo cost as much as a Mike Hailwood Replica Ducati. -- David Edmondson davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk Queen Mary & Westfield College DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000 ""This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."" ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: MORBUS MENIERE - is there a real remedy? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 39 In article lindae@netcom.com writes: > >My biggest resentment is the doctor who makes it seem like most >people with dizziness can be cured. That's definitely not the >case. In most cases, like I said above, it is a long, tedious >process that may or may not end up in a partial cure. > Be sure to say ""chronic"" dizziness, not just dizziness. Most patients with acute or subacute dizziness will get better. The vertiginous spells of Meniere's will also eventually go away, however, the patient is left with a deaf ear. >To anyone suffering with vertigo, dizziness, or any variation >thereof, my best advice to you (as a fellow-sufferer) is this... >just keep searching...don't let the doctors tell you there's >nothing that can be done...do your own research...and let your This may have helped you, but I'm not sure it is good general advice. The odds that you are going to find some miracle with your own research that is secret or hidden from general knowledge for this or any other disease are slim. When good answers to these problems are found, it is usually in all the newspapers. Until then, spending a great deal of time and energy on the medical problem may divert that energy from more productive things in life. A limited amount should be spent to assure yourself that your doctor gave you the correct story, but after it becomes clear that you are dealing with a problem for which medicine has no good solution, perhaps the best strategy is to join the support group and keep abreast of new findings but not to make a career out of it. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) Subject: Re: 16 million vs 65 thousand colors Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen) writes: >1-4 bits per R/G/B gives horrible machbanding visible in almost any picture. >5 bits per R/G/B (32768, 65000 colors) gives visible machbanding >color-gradient picture has _almost_ no machbanding. This color-resolution is >see some small machbanding on the smooth color-gradient picture, but all in all, >There _ARE_ situiations where you get visible mach-banding even in >a 24 bit card. If >you create a very smooth color gradient of dark-green-white-yellow >or something and turn >up the contrast on the monitor, you will probably see some mach-banding. While I don't mean to damn Henrik's attempt to be helpful here, he's using a common misconception that should be corrected. Mach banding will occur for any image. It is not the color quantization you see when you don't have enough bits. It is the human eye's response to transitions or edges between intensities. The result is that colors near the transistion look brighter on the brighter side and darker on the darker side. --Andre -- Andre Yew andrey@cco.caltech.edu (131.215.139.2) ";-1;0 "From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough) Subject: Word processing utilities for sale Keywords: software Distribution: na Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society Lines: 60 These word processing utilities all include complete printed manuals and registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs at less than half the list price and significantly less than the cheapest mail-order price around. * GRAMMATIK 5 FOR WINDOWS, top-rated grammar checker, helps you improve your writing by correcting grammar and usage mistakes, now owned by WordPerfect, list $99, sale $45. * GRAMMATIK 5 FOR DOS, top-rated grammar checker, helps you improve your writing by correcting grammar and usage mistakes, now owned by WordPerfect, list $99, sale $45. * CORRECT GRAMMAR FOR WINDOWS 2.0, top-notch grammar checker, from WordStar, list $119, sale $45. * CORRECT GRAMMAR FOR DOS 4.0, top-notch grammar checker, from WordStar, list $99, sale $40. * CORRECT WRITING 1.0 FOR WINDOWS, online writing manual from WordStar with tips about correct use of punctuation, capitalization, compound words, numerals, bibliographies, footnotes, and more, list $59, sale $25. * RANDOM HOUSE WEBSTER'S ELECTRONIC DICTIONARY & THESAURUS FOR WINDOWS 1.0, unlike spell checkers provides online definitions when you're not sure of a word's meaning, also has larger thesaurus than most word processors for finding just the right word, list $119, sale $55. * RANDOM HOUSE WEBSTER'S ELECTRONIC DICTIONARY & THESAURUS FOR DOS 1.2, same functionality as Windows version, list $119, sale $55. * WORD FINDER PLUS FOR WINDOWS 1.0, huge online thesaurus with more than one million synonyms, list $59, sale $25. * RANDOM HOUSE ENCYCLOPEDIA FOR DOS 1.02, online encyclopedia that you can use without needing a CD-ROM drive, easier to use and less expensive than a book-based encyclopedia, takes 5.5 MB of hard disk space, list $119, sale $55. * HEADLINER 1.5, DOS-based database of great advertising and other headlines, proverbs, idioms, song titles, movie titles, and so on, great for advertising copywriters, newspaper editors, and, others trying to come up with catchy phrases, list $195, sale $90. * WRITER'S TOOLKIT FOR WINDOWS 2.0, amazing collection of seven different word processing utilities in one package, includes encyclopedia, great quotations, dictionary of abbreviations, dictionary with definitions, thesaurus, usage guide, and grammar checker, list $129, sale $65. If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at 215-885-7446 (Philadelphia), and I'll save the package for you. -- Reid Goldsborough reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ";8;1 "From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) Subject: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 10 Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one? (I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one) Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM. -- Clayton T. Brooks _,,-^`--. From the heart cbrooks@ms.uky.edu 722 POT U o'Ky .__,-' * \ of the blue cbrooks@ukma.bitnet Lex. KY 40506 _/ ,/ grass and {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks 606-257-6807 (__,-----------'' bourbon country AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD ";-1;0 "From: catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone) Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: compstat.wharton.upenn.edu In-reply-to: goyal@utdallas.edu's message of 14 Apr 93 03:17:28 GMT In article goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a high quality Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony 1604S for example) and this is where the extra cost comes from. It is also where the high bandwidth comes from, and the fantastic image, and the large image size, etc, etc... It's also where the two annoying lines across the screen (one a third down, the other two thirds down) come from. - Tony catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu ";-1;0 "From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Clarification of personal position Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 21 In article , dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) wrote: > I will repeat my position here. Worshipping on Sunday has never been a > sin. As a child I attended services on Saturday and Sunday--at the SDA > church and at the Pentecostal church across the street. I might even go to a > Baptist church next week. I worship God every day, and every Christian > should. Even if we can prove that Christians should meet on Sunday (and > we can't) we can never prove that violation of the Sabbath is not a sin > any longer. Nor can we prove that violation of Sunday is a sin. We > cannot use the Sabbath commandment for that purpose. My online Bible is on a CD, but I don't own a CD-ROM system for the time being, so I can't search for the famous cite where Jesus explicitly states that he didn't want to break existing (Jewish) laws. In other words technically speaking Christians should use Saturday and not Sunday as their holy day, if they want to conform to the teachings of Jesus. Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. ";19;1 "Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center From: Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? Distribution: world Lines: 21 > From: bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) > Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, > cnter and radius, exactly fitting those points? The equation of the sphere through the 4 points (x1,y1,z1),...,(x4,y4,z4) is | x^2+y^2+z^2 x1^2+y1^2+z1^2 ... x4^2+y4^2+z4^2 | | x x1 ... x4 | | y y1 ... y4 | = 0 | z z1 ... z4 | | 1 1 ... 1 | When this 5 by 5 determininant is expanded on its first column you get the equation in the form A(x^2+y^2+z^2) + Bx + Cy + Dz + E = 0 If you need the center and radius, jyst divide through by A (it cannot be zero if the 4 given points form a non-degenerate tetrahedron) and complete the square on x, y, and z to obtain (x-xc)^2 + (y-yc)^2 + (z-zc)^2 = r^2 rcb@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Bob Beach) ";1;1 "From: cpc4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CONNIN PATRICK COLGAIN) Subject: A.L. East is best in baseball! Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 27 Is there any doubt that this is true? After a few down years, the A.L. East is back to where it was in the early eighties. With the emergence of the O's and the Yanks, it is far and away the best. While the N.L. West has the best team in baseball, and the Reds aren't bad either, they have nothing else. The Giants, Astros, and Padres all have talent, they do not have the all arounf teams that are found in the A.L. East. And the Dodgers just plain suck. As for the Rockies, who knows? The A.L. East has the defending champs, and although they lost a lot to free agency, Toronto is still one of the best in baseball. The Orioles have the preseason favorite to win the Cy Young in Mike Mussina, and you can never forget about Ripken. The signings of Harold Baines and Harold Reynolds don't hurt to much either, although I always liked Bill Ripken. While they let a lot go this summer (Randy Milligan, Joe Orsulak, Bill Ripken, Bob Milacki, Sam Horn, Storm Davis, and Craig Lefferts), they kept the heart of their team intact. My predicted finish: 1. Baltimore (Could be a biased opinion) 2. NY Yankees 3. Toronto 4. Milwaukee 5. Detroit 6. Boston 7. Cleveland (Would have been higher if not for the accident) Go O's!!!!!!!! -- ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb. From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis) Organization: University of Cincinnati Nntp-Posting-Host: flash.ece.uc.edu Lines: 13 Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite writes: >jayson stark (i trhink that's him) fits perfectly in this category. > >anyone who writes ""dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll > have 324 home runs!"" should be shot. Bob, I think that Stark does this sort of thing as a joke, not as a serious prediction. I don't really see why we should shoot him for that. The guys who ought to be shot are the ones who keep claiming how great the Royals' chances are in the AL West, since all evidence indicates that they aren't joking and actually believe it. Bob Davis rbd@thor.ece.uc.edu ";14;1 "From: jplee@cymbal.calpoly.edu (JASON LEE) Subject: Re: Surgery for Hal Morris Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 17 And then cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo) quoth: >Does it strike anyone else how silly it is to impose a 3 game suspension on >Morris? > >""Let's see... I expect to be back June 15th. How many games do we play >before June 15th? Take me off the DL 3 games before June 15th."" > >It would be a lot more meaningful if the suspension went into effect some >number of games after he came back. Well, either way, the Reds have to play a man down for 3 days. -- Jason Lee jplee@oboe.calpoly.edu jlee@cash.busfac.calpoly.edu Giants e ^ i*pi + 1 = 0 The most beautiful equation in mathematics. Magic For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: Number: ""It might have been."" John Greenleaf Whittier 153 ";-1;0 "From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: Sun Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun In article lis450bw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lis450 Student) writes: >Hmmmm. Define objective morality. Well, depends upon who you talk to. >Some say it means you can't have your hair over your ears, and others say >it means Stryper is acceptable. _I_ would say that general principles >of objective morality would be listed in one or two places. >Ten Commandments >Sayings of Jesus >the first depends on whether you trust the Bible, >the second depends on both whether you think Jesus is God, and whether > you think we have accurate copies of the NT. Gong! Take a moment and look at what you just wrote. First you defined an ""objective"" morality and then you qualified this ""objective"" morality with subjective justifications. Do you see the error in this? Sorry, you have just disqualified yourself, but please play again. >MAC > eric ";-1;0 "From: davisson@stein.u.washington.edu (Gordon Davisson) Subject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650 Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu In article <1993Apr16.091202.15500@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.181440.15490@waikato.ac.nz>, I said: >> I know that plugging and unplugging ADB devices with the power on is ""not >> supported"", and you can hit problems if you have multiple devices with >> clashing addresses, and all that. >I've had a couple of e-mail responses from people who seem to believe that >this sort of thing is not only unsupported, it is downright dangerous. > >I have heard of no such warnings from anybody at Apple. Just to be sure, I >asked a couple of our technicians, one of whom has been servicing Macs for >years. There is *no* danger of damaging logic boards by plugging and unplugging >ADB devices with the power on. Noooooooo! I've been servicing Macs for years too, and I've had to repair a number of motherboards that had been damaged this way. It's rare, but it does happen. Mind you, this doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. The parts that can blow (the ADB power fuse and RF filter) aren't too expensive, so IF you have a someone around who can do component-level repair, it may be worth the risk (especially if you're around Seattle, 'cause you might get to pay *me* to fix it :-)).. On the other hand, if your only repair option is the Apple-standard logic board swap (major $$$$), you should probably play it safe. >SCSI, yes, ADB, no... SCSI: yes, ADB: yes, Floppies: yes... They can all cause trouble. -- Gordon Davisson davisson@stein.u.washington.edu Westwind Computing (206) 632-8141 4518 University Way NE, Suite 311, Seattle WA 98105 ";-1;0 "From: david@c-cat.UUCP (Dave) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers Lines: 28 bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: {> {> SCSI-1 {SCSI-2 controller chip; also called SCSI-2 (8-bit)}: 4-6MB/s with {> 10MB/s burst. This is advertised as SCSI-2 in BYTE 4/93:159 FOR the {> PC and AT THESE SPEEDS.{NOT the Mac, the PC.} {> I have been following this mess for a while. excuse my need for clarification. Iam thinking seriously IDE vs. SCSI and this thread could not have come at a better time. the above quote SCSI-1 {SCSI-2 controller chip} are we talking about a SCSI-1 device (e.g. HD) on a SCSI-2 Controller or are we talking about a SCSI-1 Controller that had a chip upgrade using the same chip that is on a SCSI-2 controller board. thanks -David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= China Cat BBS c-cat!david@sed.csc.com (301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1 ...uunet!mimsy!anagld!c-cat!david =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ";-1;0 "From: ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48) Subject: Re: space food sticks Keywords: food Article-I.D.: agate.1pr5u2$t0b Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu I had spacefood sticks just about every morning for breakfast in first and second grade (69-70, 70-71). They came in Chocolate, strawberry, and peanut butter and were cylinders about 10cm long and 1cm in diameter wrapped in yellow space foil (well, it seemed like space foil at the time). The taste is hard to describe, although I remember it fondly. It was most certainly more ""candy"" than say a modern ""Power Bar."" Sort of a toffee injected with vitamins. The chocolate Power Bar is a rough approximation of the taste. Strawberry sucked. Man, these were my ""60's."" -- Gavin Helf UC Berkeley Political Science Berkeley-Stanford Program in Soviet Studies ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu ";-1;0 "From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: japanese moon landing/temporary orbit Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 25 rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) writes: >The gravity maneuvering that was used was to exploit 'fuzzy regions'. These >are described by the inventor as exploiting the second-order perturbations in a >three body system. The probe was launched into this region for the >earth-moon-sun system, where the perturbations affected it in such a way as to >allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow >down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without >expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible"". The >originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan >was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for >deceleration. I should probably re-post this with another title, so that the guys on the other thread would see that this is a practical use of ""temporary orbits..."" Another possible temporary orbit: -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man ";-1;0 "From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance Lines: 112 My last article included this quote: ""If any substantial number of [ talk.religion.misc ] readers read some Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear. (If they *understood* some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))"" -- Michael L Siemon Someone called `boundary' wrote: > This quote seems a little arrogant, don't you think? There is a convention called a `smiley', which looks like this: :-) . It is supposed to look like a sideways smiley-face, and indicates that the preceding comment is supposed to be funny. And, I'll note that I have participated on talk.religion.misc for over five years -- I'd say Mr Siemon was not too far off. 8^) * In the meat of his reply, Mr Boundary serves up an excellent example of what I meant by ""There is no way out of the loop"". I wrote that human brains ""are infested with sin"", and can be trusted only in limited circumstances. In reply, Mr Boundary wrote: > I would beg to differ with you here. The properly-formed conscience > can be trusted virtually ALL the time. Which just moves the problem back one level: how do you tell if your conscience is properly formed? The only way to tell is to presuppose that you are capable of judging the formed-ness of your own conscience. In other words, you can only be sure that your conscience is `properly formed' if you assume that your evaluation can be trusted. Assuming your conclusions saves you a lot of time, I'll grant, but it's not a valid way of reasoning. Unless you are infallible, your judgements about your own thinking cannot be certain. Therefore, it is not possible to be certain your conscience is `properly formed'. (Whatever that is supposed to mean.) Mr Boundary then gives another paradigm example of the problem: > Now you have hit on the purpose of the Church. It is by necessity the > infallible interpreter of divine revelation. Without the Church, > Christianity would be nothing more than a bunch of little divisive sects. The Church is `by necessity' the infallible interpreter of divine revelation? How do you know? Presumably, you believe this because of some argument or another -- how do you know that the argument contains no mistakes? You write: > Therefore, although our minds are finite and susceptible to error, our > competence in arriving at inductive insights gives confidence in our > ability to distinguish what is true from what is not true, even in areas > not subject to the experimental method. But there is a huge difference between `confidence in our ability to distinguish what is true from what is not true' and `infallible'. I am confident about a lot of things, but absolute certainty is a very long way from `confident'. This discussion is about the arrogance of claiming to be absolutely certain (really, go check the subject line). Saying you are absolutely certain is significantly different than saying you are confident. When you say that you are confident, that invites people to ask why. Except in very limited circumstances, when you say that you are absolutely certain, it invites people to dismiss you as someone who does not have any idea of his own fallibility. I have yet to meet anyone who believed in a knowably-infallible source of truth who would admit the possibility of errors in his reasoning. All of them -- every last one -- has claimed that he was himself infallible. The result has been to convince me that they had no idea what was going on. Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu [This particular discussion may not be entirely relevant to the original criticism. I get the feeling that the original poster regarded as arrogant the very idea that there are right and wrong answers in religion, and that the difference can have eternal consequences. When I say that I think there is a hell and that he is at least in significant danger of ending up there, I will admit that -- as you say -- the reasoning processes I used to reach this are fallible. Thus at least in principle I could be wrong. But these basic facts are clearly enough taught in the Bible that I think it's unlikely that I'm misinterpreting it. (In order to get this level of confidence, I've tried to frame my statement sufficiently carefully as to sidestep a number of the more controversial issues. I haven't, for example said that all non-Christians will definitely end up in hell, and I haven't attempted to describe hell in any detail.) I have a feeling that my view is going to be regarded as arrogant and intolerant even though I acknowledge that I'm fallible and so there's some chance I'm wrong. Don't get me wrong -- I think there are a lot of genuinely arrogant Christians, and often criticism of us is justified. But in at least some cases I think the criticisms constitute blaming the messenger. If the universe is set up so that there are eternal consequences for certain decisions, it's not my fault -- I'm just telling it the way I think it is. You may think God is immoral for setting things up that way. It's one of the critiques of Christianity that I find it most difficult to respond to. But it's not arrogance for me to tell what I think is the truth. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: ramage@ece.scarolina.edu (Dan Ramage) Subject: Re: Help with backpack Keywords: backpack, rucksack, knee protection Article-I.D.: weber.ramage.734101015 Organization: USC Department of Computer Science Lines: 33 sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) writes: >As summer approaches, the usual preparations are being made... >Me was thinking of going for some overnite camping trips in the local >state forests. For that I was planning to get a backpack/rucksack. >The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given >the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12"" high) and >was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest. >Any one have any experiences on such experimentation? >Taking the idea further, what would happen if the backpack was fully >loaded with a full load (40lbs). Is the load distribution going to >be very severly affected? How will the bike perform with such a load >clinging to the back rest. If I really secure it, with no shifting, >do I still increase my chances of surfing? I ride my bike regularly to classes with my book bag. I take the shoulder straps on the bag, and hook them around the rear turn signals. I works fine. You probably will want to attach it with a bungee cord to keep it from shifting to one side or another. |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| | Dan Ramage |ramage@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu | |'86 Vulcan 750 |DoD#0798 | |""I wanted a Harley, but I haven't won the lottery yet."" | |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| |""Them bats is smart, they use radar."" -D. Letterman | |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| ";-1;0 "From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: Re: Wallpaper in Windows 3.1 Organization: George Washington University Lines: 22 In article <1qvpdo$q7i@bigboote.WPI.EDU> bigal@wpi.WPI.EDU (Nathan Charles Crowell) writes: >Hi there, > >Is there any utility available that will make Windows >randomly select one of your windows directory's .BMP >files as the wallpaper file? > >Nate > [nate's sig] There are a couple. I am personally using screenpeace, which is a screen saver which will also select your wallpaper from a specified directory (not necessarily the windows dir.). Let me know if you want info. I've been pretty happy with screenpeace, and the latest version (3) is *not* at cica, but oak, /windows3/scrpc3or.something Mickey -- pe-|| || MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu ace|| || ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/| *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* \\\\ | ""well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..""(gd) ";-1;0 "From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle) Subject: Re: NRA Fucks Up Bigtime Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com In-reply-to: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com's message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 04:24:50 GMT Organization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk. <1993Apr5.042450.2071@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr5.042450.2071@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes: > In article slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes: >>In article , jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes: >>> No, actually I'm a lot more familiar with the libbers than I >>> care to be. I'm a bit hesitant to continue this thread because >>> it brings back horrible memories of my first encounter with the >>> libbers in the LaRouche branch. I made the mistake of buying a >>Any connection between Lyndon LaRouche and the Libertarian Party >>is a pure product of your own fertile imagination. > Naw, perhaps he reads Time magazine. It's a fair stretch of anyone's imagination to expect them to attach any credibility to anything written in Time magazine in the past twenty years, I'd imagine. The Enquirer at least gets the names attached to the right body parts. =Mark -- ---- Mark E. Slagle PO Box 61059 slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com Sunnyvale, CA 94088 408-756-0895 USA ";-1;0 "From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars Organization: Rice University Lines: 33 In article <79615@cup.portal.com> Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes: >""To all whom it may concern - > >""It is known only to a few that there exists an external visible >organization of such men and women, who having themselves found >the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the >burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience, >and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be >guided. > >""While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc. >have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of >the civilised world, all following some line of occult study, >yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics >which shows the seeker after truth a Royal Road to discover >The Lost Mysteries of Antiquity, and to the Unveiling of the >One Hermetic Truth. > >""This organization is known at the present time as the Ancient >Order of Oriental Templars. Ordo Templi Orientis. Otherwise: >The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light. Up to this point, I was kinda hoping that this was a joke. Still, it would make a great premise for a bad syndicated TV show- ""These are the adventures of the Oriental Templars... dedicated to truth, justice, and good karma! (Dramatic music in the background.)"" No doubt I've just horribly offended someone. -- Mike Swaim |Whenever the soft drink machine needs to be swaim@owlnet.rice.edu |restocked, rather than getting angry, Disclamer: I lie |meditate on the impermanence of all things |and the emptiness of coke. ";-1;0 "From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Acutane, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and CFS Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 37 [reply to Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince] >There is a person on the FIDO CFS echo who claims that he was cured of >CFS by taking accutane. He also claims that you are using it in the >treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Are you using accutane in the >treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome? Yes. >Have you used it for CFS? It seems to work equally well for CFS, another hint that these may be different facets of the same underlying process. >Have you gotten good results with it? Yes. The benefit is usually evident within a few days of starting it. Most of the patients for whom it has worked well continued low-dose amitriptyline, daily aerobic excersise, and a regular sleep schedule (current standard therapy). Because of the cost (usually > $150/mo., depending on dose) and potential for significant side effects like corneal injury and birth defects, I currently reserve it for those who fail conventional treatment. It is important that the person prescribing it have some experience with it and follow the patient closely. >Are you aware of any double blind studies on the use of accutane in >these conditions? Thank you in advance for all replies. As far as I know, I am the only person looking at it currently. I should get off my duff and finish writing up some case reports. I'm not an academic physician, so I don't feel the pressure to publish or perish and I don't have the time during the work day for such things. David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu). Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell ";-1;0 "From: luriem@alleg.edu The Liberalizer (Michael Lurie) Subject: Yankee Meditations. Article-I.D.: alleg.1993Apr6.205911.2654 Organization: Allegheny College Lines: 14 Do you realize that the yankees are paying Matt Nokes 2,500,000 dollars this year!!!! GEESH. And Maas only gets 125,000. By the way, the yankees are going to WIN IT ALL Yankees are the BEST. By the way, JT Snow, an ex-yankee, will be rookie of the year. ";14;1 "From: andrew@calvin.dgbt.doc.ca (Andrew Patrick) Subject: Any Interest in a Mailing List on Epilepsy and Seizures? Nntp-Posting-Host: calvin.dgbt.doc.ca Organization: Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 36 I have seen a fair bit of traffic recently concerning Epilepsy and seizures. I am also interested in this subject -- I have a son with Epilepsy and I am very active with the local association. I posted a message like this a few months ago and received no replies, but here it is again. Is anyone interested in participating in a mailing list on Epilepsy and seizures? This would allow us to hold discussions and share information via electronic mail. I already run a Listserver for two other groups, so the mechanics would be easy. If you are interested, mail me a note. If I get enough replies, I will make it happen and provide you with the details. BTW, I have also started a database on Epilepsy. This is part of my research on natural language question answering systems. Users of this service are able to ask questions about Epilepsy and the program searches the database and retrieves its best response. The technology works by comparing your question against a set of questions that have been seen before. All new questions that are not answered are recorded and used to improve the system. This database is still small and sparse, but we are adding new information. To try it out, do the following telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca login: chat Then select the Epilepsy item from the menu of databases. -- Andrew Patrick, Ph.D. Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, CANADA andrew@calvin.dgbt.doc.CA For a good time, run ""telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca"" and login as ""chat"". ";-1;0 "From: mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar) Subject: Re: CView answers Organization: Moscom Corp., E. Rochester, NY Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Cyberspace Buddha (cb@wixer.bga.com) wrote: : renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: : >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its : >""current directory"". : I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use : to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then : invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file : is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on. I posted this as well before the cview ""expert"". Apparently, he thought he knew better. Matthew Zenkar mz@moscom.com ";-1;0 "From: lm001@rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Erwin H. Keeve) Subject: Polygon Reduction for Marching Cubes Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne Lines: 36 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rs1.rrz.uni-koeln.de Keywords: Polygon Reduction, Marching Cubes, Surfaces, Midical Visualisation Dear Reader, I'am searching for an implementation of a polygon reduction algorithm for marching cubes surfaces. I think the best one is the reduction algorithm from Schroeder et al., SIGGRAPH '92. So, is there any implementation of this algorithm, it would be very nice if you could leave it to me. Also I'am looking for a fast !!! connectivity test for marching cubes surfaces. Any help or hints will be very useful. Thanks a lot ,,, (o o) ___________________________________________oOO__(-)__OOo_____________ |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|_| |_|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| | | | | Erwin Keeve | adress: Peter-Welter-Platz 2 | | | W-5000 Cologne 1, Germany | | | | | Dept. of Computergraphics & | phone: +49-221-20189-132 (-192) | | Computeranimation | FAX: +49-221-20189-17 | | | | | Academy of Media Arts Cologne | Email: keeve@khm.uni-koeln.de | |_______________________________|_____________________________________| ";-1;0 "From: chrstie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (William John M. Christie) Subject: Re: Joystick suggestions? Nntp-Posting-Host: varley.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Lines: 31 It depends on what you'd like your joystick for. I've seen Gravis joysticks at Radio Shack. They seemed flimsy and didn't fit well in my hand. I have heard on c.s.i.p.games that they don't last well (less than a year) on flightsims. One redeeming feature does seem to be the ability to adjust the tension of the stick. I recently purchased a CH Flightstick. There aren't any suction cups and no tension adjusters but otherwise it seems to be an excellent joystick. I'm currently using it for the Wing Commander series and Red Baron. Works quite well. The large base does not require a steadying hand and so leaves it free. The buttons provide good tactile response (you can hear and feel them well). There are other models made by CH that can go up or down in features. For price comparison Gravis analogue joysticks sell for ~$35.00 here compared to the $45.00 I paid for a CH Flightstick. I think the extra $10.00 is worth it just in feel. Best thing to do is to ask a salesperson to let you try them out or at least feel it before you buy. Just another note, analogue joysticks are best for flightsims or something that needs sensitive touch. If you're only playing games such as Castle Wolfenstein or some other game that only uses digital input (ie. only up, down, left, etc. instead of 'how much right') you might want to look into a Gravis gamepad. They look like a Nintendo control pad but I don't know much beyond that. -- Will Christie | AATCHOO! | PHILOSOPHY: the principles and University of Manitoba | Uh-oh... | science of thought and reality Winnipeg, MB, Canada | I'm leaking | PHILOSOPHER: someone who thinks chrstie@ccu.UManitoba.CA | brain lubricant. | they're useful to society ";-1;0 "From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Gerald Olchowy (golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) wrote: : It is meaningless to compare one player's plus/minus statistic with : another players' out of the context of the role and the playing time : of the players involved. : To compare Jagr's and Francis's plus/minus is ridiculous and absurd... : Gerald Thank you for putting this in perspective! -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Tom Huot huot@cray.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";-1;0 "From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) Subject: Re: Go Hizbollah II! Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 26 In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr24.202201.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes: >|> Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that >|> the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's >|> holding to the security zone. >|> >|> Noam > > > >I only want to say that I agree with Noam on this point >and I hope that all sides stop targeting civilians. > >Basil > Absolutely. I'm sure that civilians on both sides would be pleased if the fighters (military, guerilla, whatever) would just take their argument elsewhere, find an unpopulated area somewhere, and slug it out. At that point, we will all breath a sigh of relief *and* cheer for our side in the struggle. -- Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717 ";-1;0 "From: neff123@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stephen Kearney) Subject: Re: Is ms-windows a ""mature"" OS? Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu >Why is it that I find the Mac desktop incredibly annoying >whenever I use it? Because you are uptight? Many computer-literate people see advantages in each system. You act like a Mac ate your cat. Lighten up! ";-1;0 "From: addison@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brett Rogers) Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992 -- Shortstop Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 12 In article steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes: >>Smith, Ozzie .742 .717 .697 .672 .664 0.701 > The Wizard's 1988 is the second highest year ever. Still very good, >but I don't like the way his numbers have declined every year. In a few >years may be a defensive liability. That's rich... Ozzie Smith a defensive liability... Brett Rogers addison@leland.stanford.edu ";14;1 "From: wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins) Subject: '93 Ford Probe GT -- Engine problems? Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 21 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com One of the local dealers has a used (7k miles) '93 Probe GT on the lot with a photocopy of a document taped to the window saying the dealership bought the car back from the previous owner because of ""Engine noises"", but that the Ford district rep had OK'ed the car saying those noises were ""normal"". I thought it was worth looking into (the car seems otherwise clean) and mentioned this to a co-worker, who proceeded to tell me a horror story about her son's '93 Probe GT, which had several problems, ending with engine noises which she said ""was something with the heads"", that Ford acknowledged the noise, said they were working on it, but didn't have a cure as of yet. Her son traded the car in (and I checked -- not the same car). So I have some evidence of a reoccuring problem with the V6 in the Probe GT's, and by extension with the Madza 626 and MX-6. Anything to this? I'd love to consider buying the GT (I'm turning 40 -- time for my scheduled mid life crisis :-) but I'd hate to find out I just became the proud owner of a Lemon. ";-1;0 "From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) Organization: Princeton University Lines: 39 In article <1993Apr15.221049.14347@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >In article <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes: >>In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: >>>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and >>>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish >>>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up >>>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and >>>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know >>>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but >>>humor us. Thanks for your help. >>Hank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish >>faith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world >>series games because of Yom Kippur) >The other Jewish HOF'er is Rod Carew (who converted). Did he ever really convert? He married a Jewish woman, but I've never heard him say he converted. Elliot Maddox, on the other hand... >Lowenstein is Jewish, as well as Montana's only representative to the >major leagues. >Undeserving Cy Young award winner Steve Stone is Jewish. Between Stone, >Koufax, Ken Holtzman (? might have the wrong pitcher, I'm thinking of the >one who threw a no-hitter in both the AL and NL), and Big Ed Reulbach, >that's quite a starting rotation. Moe Berg can catch. Harry Steinfeldt, >the 3b in the Tinkers-Evers-Chance infield. Yep, Holtzman. Saul Rogovin won an ERA title in 1949 or so before blowing out the arm. >Is Stanky Jewish? Or is that just a ""Dave Cohen"" kinda misinterpretation? >Whatever, doesn't look like he stuck around the majors too long. I'd be surprised. btw, they may just be shopping Gallego around to make room for AS. Roger ";-1;0 "From: mani@raunvis.hi.is (M'ani Thorsteinsson) Subject: Lois Chevrolet? Distribution: rec Lines: 7 Nntp-Posting-Host: raunvis.hi.is I was whatching The History Of The Indy 500 the other day, and early in the film, around the '10-'20's, a name, Lois Chevrolet, came out of the blue. I wanted to know if he is THE Chevrolet founder or mearly a driver who's name was called the same as the other guy's?:^) KONI. ";-1;0 "From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 16 Mark Schnitzius writes: >> Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since >>the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. > >This is something I've always found confusing. If all your nerve endings >die with your physical body, why would flame hurt you? How can one ""wail >and gnash teeth"" with no lungs and no teeth? One can feel physical pain by having a body, which, if you know the doctrine of the resurrection of the body, is what people will have after the great judgement. ""We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come."" - Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed. You will have both body and soul in hell - eventually. Andy Byler ";-1;0 "From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) Subject: Blues into playoffs, beat TB 6-5 Keywords: Blues, Shanahan, Joseph, Hull, Minnesota, TB Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 127 By Dave Luecking Of The Post-Dispatch Staff At 9:11 Thursday night, the scoreboard watchers at The Arena began to cheer. Their cheer quickly turned into a roar, and finally, the sellout crowd of 17,816 rose as one to rock the old barn at 5700 Oakland Avenue in a salute to the playoff-bound Blues. The scoreboard had just flashed the news from Detroit -- Red Wings 5, Stars 3. With the North Stars' loss, the Blues officially clinched fourth place and the final playoff spot in the Norris Division. Good thing, because the Blues quit playing. They held a 5-1 lead over Tampa Bay when the Detroit-Minnesota final appeared with 3 minutes 52 remaining in the second period. They promptly went to sleep and barely held on for a 6-5 victory that nearly slipped away at the buzzer. Tampa's Bob Beers tipped in a pass from Shawn Chambers, but officiating supervisor John D'Amico and video goal judge Rich Schweigler ruled that the shot had gone into the net after time had expired. ``I'm glad I didn't see it go in at the end,"" Blues coach Bob Berry said. If the goal had counted, he'd have been more upset than he was by the Blues' disappearance in the final 24 minutes. Holding on for the victory and making the playoffs tempered Berry's anger. ``It wasn't pretty at the end,"" he said. ``We played 36, 37 great minutes, as good as we played all year. It slipped away at the end. It shouldn't have, but it did."" Still, the Blues won, prompting another ovation from the crowd at game's end. Despite their shoddy effort in the third period and all the turmoil this season, the Blues still made the playoffs. They'll meet the Chicago Blackhawks in a best-of-seven Norris Division semifinal, beginning at noon Sunday at Chicago Stadium. The Blues finished the regular-season with a record of 37-36-11 for 85 points, their fourth consecutive plus-.500 season. Minnesota finished three points behind in fifth place, with a record of 36-38- 10 for 82 points. Tampa Bay, which played spoiler last week by tying the Blues 2-2 at Tampa, ended its first season with a record of 23-54-7 for 53 points. The poor finish cast an unnecessary shadow over what should have been a joyous Blues locker room. Instead, the mood was one of relief and some disappointment. ``It's a shame we let down,"" said Kevin Miller, one of three Blues to score two goals. Brendan Shanahan and Bob Bassen were the others. ``There was no need for a letdown. If we'd have kept working, it would have ended 6-2 and everyone would be happy."" Instead, a lot of players were happy just to make the playoffs. ``We won, and that's all that matters,"" said Brett Hull, scoreless and minus-3 for the night. ``Once we got up 4-0, it was really tough to play."" Some players didn't have a problem. ``Just because the score was announced, our line didn't quit,"" said Rich Sutter, who played with Bassen and Miller. ``We still had a game to play. You can't allow five goals like we did, that's not right. ``It was disappointing to see what was going on."" Bassen was almost frantic on the bench because of the Blues' effort. Somehow, he missed the announcement of Minnesota's loss. ``I didn't know it was final,"" he said. ``I was kind of looking around on the bench. I didn't realize it was a final for some reason. We're in the playoffs, and that's great, but it's a little disappointing to play like we did at the end."" The letdown was precisely the reason that Berry had instructed the scoreboard operators to keep the Minnesota-Detroit score off of the board. The score showed 0-0 until it first popped up with Detroit leading 4-2 in the third period. The Blues already led 4-0 at the time. ``I told them I didn't want to see the score, I didn't want to know the score,"" Berry said. ``I felt we had to win the game, and that's the approach we took."" If Minnesota took a lead, Berry feared, the pressure of having to win might bother the Blues. If Detroit led, he worried, the Blues might quit. Until the announcement, the Blues played splendidly. Shanahan got the crowd going at 10:44 of the first period, scoring his 50th of the season. Then, Miller and Bassen took charge late in the period. With the teams playing four on four, Miller broke in on left wing, deked defenseman Roman Hamrlik and beat former Blues goalie Pat Jablonski with the rebound of his own shot with 21.6 seconds remaining in the period. Then, just 10.5 seconds later, Bassen rifled a long slap shot past Jablonski after defenseman Rick Zombo intercepted a Tampa pass in the neutral zone. Bassen made it 4-0 just 14 seconds into the second period, scoring on the rebound of Bret Hedican's shot. The goal gave him his first two-goal game of the season and reminded him of a special friend. Last year, Bassen befriended young Oliver Mulvihill, who died of a rare form of cancer at age 6 on Feb. 23. ``I was thinking of my buddy Oliver,"" Bassen said. ``He's in heaven now, and I know he was watching. I know he's happy."" Miller increased the Blues lead to 5-0 on a break-away goal set up by Zombo at 11:09. Then, Steve Maltais broke Curtis Joseph's shutout just 18 seconds later, making it 5-1. Less than a minute after the North Stars' final was announced, Tim Bergland scored and cut the lead to 5-2. But Shanahan scored his 51st, converting a pass from Nelson Emerson with 21.3 seconds remaining in the second period. Then, it was all Lightning. Adam Creighton scored 40 seconds into the third period, prompting Berry to rest the overworked Joseph. Guy Hebert allowed goals to Shawn Chambers and Danton Cole in a span of 1:21 midway through the third period. The goals by Chambers and Cole made Shanahan's second goal stand up as the winner. ``We were in there,"" Shanahan said. ``The game was over. We were in."" %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* * __ ______________ ____________________________________ % % \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! * * \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ % % \ ________/ * * \ _______/ Joe Ashkar % % \ \ Contact for the Blues * * \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu % % (___) BLUES * *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ";13;1 "From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) Subject: Re: A Rational Viewpoint ---> was Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random. Lines: 27 In article <1qn57cINNabv@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () writes: >It is very difficult for a young person to develop and build >a positive view of themself when they are constantly being >told implicitly and explicitly that they are wrong and >immoral. Yes, that is most certainly true. However, the paragrapgh reflects a value-less position and infers that what is more important than anything else is to have ""a positive view"" of one's self. This of course, is foolish. Should a mass murderer, a pedophile, a 10-year old pyromaniac have a ""positive view"" of themselves? Of course not. A person that engages in behaviour that a large number of people condemn, and IF you believe in the concept of ""society"", then your only choice is to expect that person to have a negative view of themselves. -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh? These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...) ";-1;0 "From: plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Paul K. Gloger) Subject: Subaru Shop manuals for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Lines: 40 o Subaru Service Manuals ................................... $10.00 This is not a complete set, but includes sections 4, 5 & 6 which cover MECHANICAL COMPONENTS (suspension, wheels & axles, steering, brakes, pedals & control cables, heater & ventilator, air conditioning), BODY (body & exterior, doors & windows, seats, seat belts, interior, instrument panel), and ELECTRICAL (engine electrical system, body electrical system, wiring diagram, and trouble-shooting). These are the genuine Subaru issue manuals. They are for model year 1986, but have plenty of good information that applies to other years as well. And, as long as I'm posting (end of car stuff), o Miscellaneous Darkroom Equipment ........................ $75.00 Solar enlarger (several objective lenses) with easel and timer, negative carriers for 35mm and 2 1/4 x 3 1/4, misc. printing masks. Developing tanks, thermometer, trays, constant-temperature bath, ground glass, mirrors, darkroom lamps, glassware, el-cheap-o tripods..... and (as they say) MUCH MORE! o Beautiful Antique Buffet ............................... $1500.00 Solid cherry (no veneer). Handmade, with very interesting dovetail corners in the drawers. Built (we think) around 1880. Not gaudy or covered with gew-gaws; a simple, elegant piece of furniture, but too big (60"" long, 37"" tall, 24"" deep) for our little Cape Cod house. Will deliver pricier items (ie, over $10) anywhere in the Rochester area. (And will consider delivering the others.) Will deliver any of it on UofR Campus between now and graduation. Call or E-Mail: Paul or Mary (716) 359-2350 (Just south of Rochester, NY) plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu ";-1;0 "Organization: Penn State University From: Andrew Newell Subject: Re: Christian Morality is Lines: 32 In article , cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) says: > >In <11836@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: > >>In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike >Cobb) writes: > >> If I'm wrong, god is free at any time to correct my mistake. That >> he continues not to do so, while supposedly proclaiming his >> undying love for my eternal soul, speaks volumes. > >What are the volumes that it speaks besides the fact that he leaves your >choices up to you? Leaves the choices up to us but gives us no better reason to believe than an odd story of his alleged son getting killed for us? And little new in the past few thousand years, leaving us with only the texts passed down through centuries of meddling with the meaning and even wording. ...most of this passing down and interpretation of course coming from those who have a vested interest in not allowing the possibility that it might not be the ultimate truth. What about maybe talking to us directly, eh? He's a big god, right? He ought to be able to make time for the creations he loves so much...at least enough to give us each a few words of direct conversation. What, he's too busy to get around to all of us? Or maybe a few unquestionably-miraculous works here and there? ...speaks volumes upon volumes to me that I've never gotten a chance to meet the guy and chat with him. ";-1;0 "From: welch@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Sean N. Welch) Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3 Organization: Experimental Computing Facility, U.C. Berkeley Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: xcf.berkeley.edu In article schneck@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Bernhard Schneck) writes: >nemo@aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es (Francisco J. Ballesteros) writes: > >>> The problem occurs during the initial ""make World"". When >>> it gets up to compiling the standard X clients, it can't seem to find >>> some of the libraries. Right now we highly suspect the program ""ld"" >>> which was updated for 4_1_3. >>> > >> Yip, we had the same problem; the only fix we found was to link static >>some of the clients, ( btw, we used cc). :-(. > >Or use a SunOS 4.1.1 ld. Or read fixes 9, 10, and 11 to the MIT distribution. This is a known problem - just apply those fixes and set SunPost411FCSLd to YES and OSTeenyVersion in mit/config/sun.cf to 3. In fix-09: |If you are running SunOS 4.1.1 and you apply Sun's ld patch 100170-6, |then you will need to edit your site.def and add this line to the |AfterVendorCF section: | |#define SunPost411FCSLd YES In fix-10: |If you are running SunOS 4.1.2, change OSTeenyVersion in mit/config/sun.cf to |have a value of 2. In fix-11: |Brief notes on what this patch fixes: | |config: make on SunOS 4.1.2 fails unless tree previously built in Sean Welch ";-1;0 "From: tomgift@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Gift) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Keywords: BATF FBI Korash ""child abuse"" guns murder CONTROL Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 10 pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: >Well, maybe I AM overreacting. This is probably the best part of your post. Everything else is shrill speculation. Tom Gift tomgift@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ";-1;0 "From: ece_0028@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (David Anderson) Subject: Re: Christian Owned Organization list Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr13.025426.22532@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) writes: >In article <47749@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> shopper@ucsd.edu writes: >> >>Does anyone have or know where I can find a list of christian-owned >>corporations and companies? One that I know of is WordPerfect. > >I believe that WordPerfect is actually owned by the Mormons. Sorry, but Mormons aren't generally considered to be Christians. >-- >=kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC= >=My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza. OK???= >=""Do you have some pumps and a purse in this shade? A perfume that whispers, = >='please come back to me'? I'm looking for something in Green.""-Laurie Morgan= ";19;1 "From: amjad@eng.umd.edu (Amjad A Soomro) Subject: Gamma-Law Correction Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 22 Distribution: USA Expires: 05/15/93 NNTP-Posting-Host: filter.eng.umd.edu Hi: I am digitizing a NTSC signal and displaying on a PC video monitor. It is known that the display response of tubes is non-linear and is sometimes said to follow Gamma-Law. I am not certain if these non-linearities are ""Gamma-corrected"" before encoding NTSC signals or if the TV display is supposed to correct this. Also, if 256 grey levels, for example, are coded in a C program do these intensity levels appear with linear brightness on a PC monitor? In other words does PC monitor display circuitry correct for ""gamma errrors""? Your response is much appreciated. Amjad. Amjad Soomro CCS, Computer Science Center U. of Maryland at College Park email: amjad@wam.umd.edu ";-1;0 "From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Subject: Re: 16550 UARTs (was: uucico for windows) Reply-To: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.03 Lines: 14 turtle@west.darkside.com (Fred Waller) writes: >> 16550s are _not_ stupid! > > Actually, they are, in the sense that hardware solutions to > a software problem are not proper. A programmer's function [much deleted] amazing. I could not find _one_ reference to waffle in all of this. followups redirected out. -- Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c ";-1;0 "From: dale@access.digex.com (Dale Farmer) Subject: Re: Gun Control: proud to be a Canuck Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Frank Crary (fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote: : In article <1pqsruINNiae@hp-col.col.hp.com> dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) writes: : The Swiss population is (and well was) far larger than that. I think : your question should be, ""...losing sleep over a million expert : riflemen?"" Certainly he could have conquered Switzerland, but : a million armed militiamen (especially in a mountainous area, : where tanks' effectiveness is limited) would have made it a : real pain. The question a conqueror would ask, is ""is it worth : the trouble?"" The more difficult an invasion is, the more likely : the answer would be ""no."" Certainly a million riflemen (as : opposed to a professional army of only ten or twenty thousand, the : best a country the size of Switzerland could support), makes : invasions more difficult. Hitler invaded Yugoslavia and occupied it. The mountainous portions were sometimes patrolled by the wermacht, but they were certainly not in control. There were two major native factions opposing each other and the germans, It was basically useless to the germans (no production) and a drain on their resources (a armored division and a couple of infantry divisions) Which if my memory is correct, were kind of stuck there up until the allies accepted their surrender. (I think that the allies also let the germans keep some of their weapons for self defense unitil they were able to get to the lowlands, away from the resistance factions. This is from memory, and it is unreliable. --Dale Farmer ";-1;0 "From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) Subject: Re: The quest for horndom Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr5.171807.22861@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: >In article <1993Apr4.010533.26294@ncsu.edu> jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes: >>No laughing, please. I have a few questions. First of all, do I >>need a relay? Are there different kinds, and if so, what kind should >>I get? Both horns are 12 Volt. > > I did some back-of-the-eyelids calculations last night, and I figure >these puppies suck up about 10 amps to work at maximum efficiency (i.e., the >cager might need a shovel to clean out his seat). Assumptions: 125dBA at one >meter. Neglecting solid angle considerations and end effects and other >acoustic niceties from the shape of the horn itself, this is a power output >of 125 Watts. 125Watts/12Volts is approx. 10 Amps. > > Yes, get a relay. > > Yes, tell me how you did it (I want to do it on the ZX). > >Later, I'll post a summary after I get enough information. I'll include tips like ""how to know when the monkey is pulling your leg"". Shouldn't monkey's have to be bonded and insured before they work on bikes? Jack Waters II DoD#1919 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~ ~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";7;1 "From: smisra@eos.ncsu.edu (SAURABH MISRA) Subject: Ethernet to LocalTalk On a Quadra? Article-I.D.: ncsu.1993Apr6.135521.22501 Distribution: na Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 8 I have used both my serial ports with a modem and a serial printer, so I cannot use Appletalk. Is there a Ethernet to Localtalk hardware that will let me use the Ethernet port on my Q700 as a Localtalk port. Until they come out with satellite dishes that sit on your window & give you internet access from your home, I won't at all be using that port. Saurabh. ";0;1 "From: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) Subject: Re: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace Reply-To: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) Organization: Inst. f. Anaesthesiologie der LMU, Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-,world Lines: 30 Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters) writes: >>Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace >>for DOS at the same time. >Yup. We're using both and they work just fine. Hopefully, someday WFWG >will communicate over LWP TCPIP. Right now we have to load NetBeui. >I use ODI with ODINSUP and all works well. Hey, sounds great. Does that mean that W4WG works with ODI? I thought it uses NDIS. My problem is that Lan Workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my UMBs, so I'd hate to have to load many more drivers to make W4WG work along. I read in a German computer magazine that TCP/IP support for W4WG is just around the corner. Anybody have any news about this? Regards, Richard -- +----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Dr. Richard Spitz | INTERNET: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de | | EDV-Gruppe Anaesthesie | Tel : +49-89-7095-3421 | | Klinikum Grosshadern | FAX : +49-89-7095-8886 | | Munich, Germany | | +----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ ";6;1 "From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off! Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation Lines: 10 In article <34211@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes: > >The Banana one isn't, IMHO. Ultra sticky labels printed with your >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage. So what's your local hospital's favorite curse? -- Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland bgardner@dsd.es.com ";-1;0 "From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 110 In article kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes: >Someone called `REXLEX' has claimed that there IS a way out of the loop, but >he did not bother to explain what it was, preferring instead to paraphrase >Sartre, ramble about Wittgenstein, and say that the conclusion of my argument >leads to relativism. I will answer this as I find time. > >`REXLEX' suggested that people read _He is There and He is Not Silent_, by >Francis Schaeffer. I didn't think very highly of it, but I think that >Mr Schaeffer is grossly overrated by many Evangelical Christians. Somebody >else might like it, though, so don't let my opinion stop you from reading it. > >If someone is interested in my opinion, I'd suggest _On Certainty_, by >Ludwig Wittgenstein. > > >Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu >""If any substantial number of [ talk.religion.misc ] readers read some > Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear. (If they *understood* > some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))"" -- Michael L Siemon > Notice what I said about this book. I called it ""Easy reading."" The reason I dropped philosphy as my major was because I ran into too many pharisaical Simon's. I don't know how many walking encyclopedia's I ran across in philosphy classes. The problem isn't in knowing sooooo much more than your average lay person, the problem comes when you become puffed up about it. Schaeffer is just fine for the average lay person. That was who he was writting to. I suppose that you would have criticised John that his gospel was to simple. I've talked with Schaeffer one on one. I've been in lectures with the man when he was being drilled by philosphy students and prof's from secular as well as Christian universities. (ND alone would fill both those catagories) His answers were enough that the prof's themselves often were taken back and caused to re-think what their question was. I saw this time and time again at different open forums. So yes, Schaeffers books are by in large, well, simplistic. It certainly isn't grad level reading. But we must get off our high horses when it comes to recommended reading. Do you seriously think most people would get through the first chapter of Wittgenstein? I may have more to say about this secular scientist at another time. Also, one must finally get beyond the doubt caused by *insistent* inquisitiveness. One cannot live his life constantly from a cartisian doubt base. Look, the Christian wholeheartedly supports genuine rationality. But we must add a qualification to give this balance. Christianity is second to none in keeping reason in its place. We never know the value of a thing until we know its limits. Put unlimited value on something and in the end you will exhaust it of all value! THis is why Xianity is thoroughly rational but not the least bit rationalistic. It also explains the curious fact that it is rationalism, and not Christian faith, which leads to irrationality. If we forget the limits of a thing, we fly in the face of reality and condem ourselves to learn the simple ironic lesson of life: ""More without limits is less; less with limits is more."" Or as I have so often stated it, freedom without form soon becomes form w/o freedom. Let's put it another way. The rationality of faith is implacably opposed to absurdity but has no quarrel with mystery. Think about that. It can tell the difference between the two if you will let it. Christianity's contention with rationalism is not that it has too much reason in it, but that it has very little else. When a Christian comes to faith his understanding and his trust go hand in hand, but as he continues in faith his trust may sometimes be called to go on by itself without his understanding. This is where the principle of suspended judgment applies. At such time if the Christian faith is to be itself and let God be God, it must suspend judgment and say, ""Father I do not understand you but I trust you."" Now don't read all your objections of me into that statement. I wasn't saying I do not understand you at all, but I trust you anyway."" It means that ""I do not understand You *in this situation* but I do understand *why I trust You* anyway"" Therefore I can trust that you understand even though I do not. The former is a mystery unrelieved by rationality and indistinguishable from absurdity. The latter is a statement of rationality of faith walking hand in hand with the mystery of Faith. So.... the principle of suspended judgment is not irrational. It is not a leap of faith but a walk of faith. As believers we cannot always know why, but we canalways know why we trust God who knows why and this makes all the difference. Now, there is one obvious snag to all this and this is where I have parted company with philosophy- what is eminently reasonable in theory is a rather bit more difficult in practice. In practice the pressure of mystery acts on faith like the insistent ""whying"" of a 3 year old. It isn't just that we would like to know what we do not know but that we feel we *must* know what we cannot know. The one produces frustration because curiosity is denied; the other leads to genuine anguish. More specifically the poorer our understanding is in coming to faith the more necessary it will be to understand everything after coming to faith. If we do not know why we trust God, then we will always need to know exactly what God is doing in order to trust him. Failing to grasp that, we may not be able to trust him, for anything we do not understand may count decisevely against what we are able to trust. If, on the other hand, we do know why we trust God, we will be able to trust him in situations where we do not understand what He is doing. (Too many Xian leaders teach as if the Christian had a window in the back of his head which allows for understanding at every foot fall) For what God is doing may be ambiguous, but it will not be inherently contradictory! It may be mystery to us, but mystery is only inscrutable; what would be insufferable is absurdity. And that my friend, was the conclusion of Nietzche both in theory and in practice. --Rex ";-1;0 "From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: Re: Pens Info needed Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 44 Kevin L. Stamber writes: >If there's anyone who can help me on these items, please >let me know. > >* Markus Naslund -- I saw that MoDo lost early in the National > tournament and that he was playing for the national > team at the World Championships. Any stats > available? Any word on how he's playing? When > is he expected to join the club? > Markus had a good season in MoDo in the Swedish elite league, scoring 22 goals, 17 assists, 39 points and 67 PIM in 39 games. As Daryl points out, Markus won't be joining the Pens for this year's playoffs, since the World Championships starts April 18th. But there is a good chance that Markus will join the Pens before next season. MoDo, though, naturally wants to keep their superstars Forsberg and Naslund, so the latest news on this is that MoDo is looking for personal sponsors for Forsberg and Naslund in order to match the kind of money they would receive in NHL. Daryl Turner writes: >By 'the club', I would assume you mean the Pens. Don't hold your breath, >you aren't going to see Naslund this year. The World Championship >Tournament doesn't start until 18 April. So NHL teams won't see any >influx of Europeans, and no team playing in the WC will see a sudden >influx of 'eliminated' NHLers. The earliest a player on a playoff bound >team could join a WC-team is the last game of the round robin, and I >doubt any coach is going to want to play short one player for that long. Actually, Swedish coach Curt Lundmark is thinking about leaving two spots open for additions from eliminated NHLers. It is Mats Sundin and Calle Johansson that Curt hopes can join the team, although in a late stage of the tournament. Technically, I seem to recall that you can leave spots open until 24 hrs before the WC final. Staffan -- ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey ";-1;0 "From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) wrote: > > egreen@east.sun.com writes: > >tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes: > [...] > >>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we > >>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or > >>how long it would take me to push my horn button?? > [...] > >The answer is 161.33 feet. > [...] > > Try something like 24.2 feet. > > EdGetACalculator Right. ROM numbers (easy to remember) 100 mph ~= 150 ft/sec. tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil ""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."" --gene spafford, 1992 ";-1;0 "From: Graham Toal Subject: Re: The battle is joined Originator: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: pizzabox.demon.co.uk Reply-To: Graham Toal Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous Lines: 27 In article ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes: :In article <1993Apr16.181040.9381@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes: :>It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the :>Administration even sooner than we feared. : :I'd lay long odds that it was the other way around. Clinton didn't :just pull this plan out of any bodily orifices; the NSA has to have :been working on it for years. While it's possible that Denning (and :other prominent people) just happened to start arguing for such a :system, it seems more likely that there was a suggestion involved. :If this guess is wrong, I apologize. I'm sure Dorothy Denning is an honest person and wouldn't lie to us. Simply think up a question to ask her about her involvement, but be very careful to phrase it in such a way that there can be no Jesuitical evasion or a true but wholly misleading answer. In this country, MI5 are *experts* at answering these questions; for instance there was a British journalist (Jonathon Moyle) killed in South America a couple of years ago. Parliament asked ""Was he an MI5 employee"" ""No."" - turns out afterwards he wasn't paid, therefore wasn't an employee. They could equally have said he wasn't an agent - he went abroad on his private business with no brief from MI5, but was interviewed and debriefed at length only *on his return*. G ";-1;0 "From: af774@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chad Cipiti) Subject: Good shareware paint and/or animation software for SGI? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 15 Reply-To: af774@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chad Cipiti) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Does anyone know of any good shareware animation or paint software for an SGI machine? I've exhausted everyplace on the net I can find and still don't hava a nice piece of software. Thanks alot! Chad -- Knock, knock. Chad Cipiti Who's there? af774@cleveland.freenet.edu cipiti@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu It might be Heisenberg. chad@voxel.zool.ohiou.edu ";-1;0 "From: buckel@winx06.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (bernhard buckel) Subject: Re: HELP! MY HARD DRIVE ID MESSED! Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 42 Dave (david@c-cat.UUCP) wrote: : vazzag@vccnw13.its.rpi.edu (Gregory Anthony Vazzana) writes: : {> : {> Howdy, : {> : {> The other day I was using Norton's SpeedDisk to optimize my Seagate(125MB) h : {> problem persisted. I backed up all essential data and decided to reformat : {> my hard drive. When I attempted this it got to the 279th clylinder 8th : {> head and gave me an error message saying that it ""Could not find the sector"" : {> I have tried everything I can think of. Now I can't even access my hard driv : {> to write information to it. I tried to boot up with my MS-DOS disks but MS-D : {> tries to reformat my hard drive and gets 29% of the way through to say ""Error : {> formatting hard drive. Press f3 to exit"" I tried to scan my hard drive : {> for viruses but I can;t access it and I get a message (When I try to do a dir : {> saying ""Error INT 24"" Can anyone Help me? I have no idea what to do. : {> : {> Thanks in advance for any help! : {> : {> Greg : try a bios level format via the debug command. : -G=xxxx:5 where xxxx is the Hex address of the hd controller bios : location. : if this will not work, a last resort would be to take a large magnet : to the hard disk, but this has to be done properly or you will cause : or could cause more damage than has been done already. : disclaimer: I am not responsible for your actions by directly applying : a large magnet to your hard disk. : if done correctly the magnet trick will wipe out everything on the : hard disk _COMPLETELY_ and a low level BIOS format might succeed : -David : =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : China Cat BBS c-cat!david@sed.csc.com : (301)604-5976 1200-14,400 8N1 ...uunet!mimsy!anagld!c-cat!david : =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ";-1;0 "From: tae0460@zeus.tamu.edu (ANDREW) Subject: COMPLETE 386 SYSTEM FOR SALE Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services Lines: 34 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 386DX 25Mhz (DTK motherboard Intel microprocessor) 128k internal cache 4 megs Ram 89 meg Harddrive (IDE controller) 1.2 meg floppy drive 1.44 meg floppy drive 2 serial ports 1 parallel port Samsung VGA monitor VGA graphics card 101 key keyboard 2400 baud internal modem MS-DOS 6.0 Procomm Plus ver. 2.0 Norton Utilities ver. 4.5 other varius utilities I'm upgrading and need to sell. The system is reliable and ready to go. I've never had any problems with it. I'm asking $1050 o.b.o. If you're interested, please respond by either E-mail or phone. TAE0460@zeus.tamu.edu or 409-696-6043 Thanks, Andrew ";-1;0 "From: cs60805@basin04.cacs.usl.edu (Rao Koganti Srinivasa) Subject: POLYGON FILL routine needed .... Organization: The Center for Advanced Computer Studies Lines: 18 Hi , I am looking for a polygon fill routine to fill simple 4 sided polygons . Can some one who has this routine in C help me in saving my ""REINVENTING"" time. Thanx in advance ..... Rao. ";-1;0 "From: eldar@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Eldar) Subject: Need help !! Keywords: Firewall gateway model, Kerberos Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 14 I am currently writing a paper on computer protocols security. I would appreciate your help. I currently have no insight into these topics except that they relate to security in multilevel security network. Please semd me any references, books, FAQs or contact persons names and Internet addresses. The topics I am interested in: 1. The ""firewall gateway model"" as implemented in Internet gateways. 2. Kerberos Authentication Service Please send me a private e-mail at eldar@sfu.ca and/or post it on the board. Thanks a lot, Danny ";-1;0 "From: wdburns@mtu.edu (BURNS) Subject: Interfaith weddings Organization: CCLI Macintosh Lab, Michigan Tech University Lines: 39 Hello everyone. Last week I posted a similar question to alt.wedding. Now I come in search of a deeper-level answer. My fiance is Lutheran and I am Catholic. We plan on getting married in her church because she is living there now and I plan on moving there in a month or so. I called my Catholic priest to find out what I needed to do in order for the marriage to be recognized by my church. Needless to say that I have found that there is no ""hard and fast"" rule when it comes to how the Catholic law for interfaith weddings is interpreted. But I'm pretty sure that we CAN get married without too much problem; the trick lies in the letter of dispensation. But that is not why I am here.... What I'd like to know is: What are the main differences between the Lutheran and Catholic religions? My priest mumbled something about how the Eucharist was understood... I have heard that if two religions combine soon, it would be these two. Any help would be appreciated... Thanks so much! Bill -- Bill Burns [ Internet: wdburns@mtu.edu ] Mac Network System Administrator [ AppleLink: SHADOW ] Apple Student Rep, MTU First we must band together as friends, then mearcilessly crush our enemies into paste. [We've had enough Catholic/Protestant arguments recently that I'm not going to accept any renewals. I suggest responses via email, unless they are clearly non-controversial. I would be happy to see positive summaries of both important Catholic and Lutheran beliefs. Among other things, they'd be useful for the FAQ collection. But I'm not up for yet another battle. --clh] ";-1;0 "From: gtf1000@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.T. Falk) Subject: alt.security.pgp Nntp-Posting-Host: bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk Organization: U of Cambridge, England Lines: 25 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all.. Does anyone know of a UNIX utility allowing encrypted telnet sessions using public-key? I'd like something so that nobody can snoop my password or session text while I'm logging in remotely over the network. Thanks g. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- PLEASE REPORT UNSIGNED (HENCE UNAUTHORISED) MESSAGES PURPORTEDLY FROM ME, SENT AFTER 22/04/93. gtf1000@cus.cam.ac.uk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQBVAgUBK9ZxMTQRcjh0adt3AQFHrwH9HwBPyWwr+/O+pEocO9glPOZ5odKHynW8 AJIiF6Tsm+YMqBwmVHoLm7bUb4JPybQanpkmz8tdd4tYuinSX68cVg== =Gw7z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ";-1;0 "From: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) Subject: Re: SHO and SC Organization: D.J. Services Lines: 21 In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: >In article chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes: > >>WAGON, which I have heard is somehow slightly faster than the Coupe. > > Wagon has an automatic, it's slower. > Could be due to the rear-end ratio also. Usually automatics have different rear-ends than manuals, from my limited experience anyways. David > > -- David W. Hwang, M.D. // University of Michigan Medical School 1050 Wall Street, Suite 10C // Telephone: 313/663-5557 Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105 // Internet: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us ";10;1 "From: Markku.Savela@tel.vtt.fi (Markku Savela) Subject: Raster and Text Widgets (View only!), Xew-1.3 version Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland Lines: 18 Distribution: comp Reply-To: savela@tel.vtt.fi (Markku Savela) NNTP-Posting-Host: tel4.tel.vtt.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Version 1.3 of Xew widgets is available at export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/Xew-1.3.tar.Z export.lcs.mit.edu: contrib/Xew-1.3.README For better details, check the README. (For extensive details, you have to with Xew-1.1.ps.Z, still haven't had time to update this one). No new functionality has been added since 1.2 version. Raster widget handles now expose events slightly more intelligently than before (really had to do this when I added a simple program that uses X11R5 Athena Porthole and Panner widgets). The program demo/viewer.c is very simple demonstration of panner/porthole usage (copied from'editres' actually :-) -- Markku Savela (savela@tel.vtt.fi), Technical Research Centre of Finland Telecommunications Laboratory, Otakaari 7 B, SF-02150 ESPOO, Finland ";-1;0 "From: jbatka@desire.wright.edu Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. WHere are they. Organization: Wright State University Lines: 16 I assume that can only be guessed at by the assumed energy of the event and the 1/r^2 law. So, if the 1/r^2 law is incorrect (assume some unknown material [dark matter??] inhibits Gamma Ray propagation), could it be possible that we are actually seeing much less energetic events happening much closer to us? The even distribution could be caused by the characteristic propagation distance of gamma rays being shorter then 1/2 the thickness of the disk of the galaxy. Just some idle babbling, -- Jim Batka | Work Email: BATKAJ@CCMAIL.DAYTON.SAIC.COM | Elvis is | Home Email: JBATKA@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU | DEAD! 64 years is 33,661,440 minutes ... and a minute is a LONG time! - Beatles: _ Yellow Submarine_ ";2;1 "From: djserian@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Reincarnation of Elvis) Subject: speeding up windows Keywords: speed Lines: 19 I have a 386/33 with 8 megs of memory I have noticed that lately when I use programs like WpfW or Corel Draw my computer ""boggs"" down and becomes really sluggish! What can I do to increase performance? What should I turn on or off Will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it? Thanx in advance Derek -- $_ /|$Derek J.P. Serianni $ E-Mail : djserian@flash.lakeheadu.ca $ $\'o.O' $Sociologist $ It's 106 miles to Chicago,we've got a full tank$ $=(___)=$Lakehead University $ of gas, half a pack of cigarettes,it's dark,and$ $ U $Thunder Bay, Ontario$ we're wearing sunglasses. -Elwood Blues $ ";-1;0 "From: baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden de bari) Subject: _Exhausted student needing HELP! Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Lines: 40 Well, I've now been working on this DAMNED stepper controller board since 9pm. It's now 6am... I'm pissed off. Period. Alright, I can drive the steppers through the 3479P's; no problem (that's with the 6-wire steppers, 2 to +, and the other 4 are the phase lines). Problem 1: I've got some 4 wire steppers. I put the darkest line to + and the other 3 to the 3479P... worked, kinda. Tried it with a printer stepper (moves the head back and forth, 4 wires), didn't work too well. It would shift back and forth (use something like a 4017 instead?) Also I've been trying to get a bunch of NPN's to work with it... NO LUCK... tried PNP's, still NO LUCK!!! I don't know if I'm cursed on this or what, but I feel my brain slowly frying with the thought of STEPPER ... ARGGG!!! I don't know what's wrong with the transistor hook-up (to-220 pkg type), also tryed the 2n2222-pkg type... no luck. I'm going to try getting some z's, and I hope you can help me with this problem. If someone can please help me with this soon, it would be greatly appreciated... Thanks. _________________________________________________ Inspiration | ___ | comes to | \ o baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca | those who | ( ^ ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca | seek the | /-\ =] Baden de Bari [= | unknown. | | ------------------------------------------------- l ";-1;0 "From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 B Summary: Part B Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 912 Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 Part B Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh (Part B of #008) +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | ""Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they | | repeated quite frequently, ""Let the Armenian women have babies | | for us, Muslim babies, let them bear Azerbaijanis for the | | struggle against the Armenians."" Then they said, ""Those | | Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!"" They repeated | | it very often."" | | | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ ...continued from PART A: The six of them left. They left and I had an attack. I realized that the dan- ger was past, and stopped controlling myself. I relaxed for a moment and the physical pain immediately made itself felt. My heart and kidneys hurt. I had an awful kidney attack. I rolled back and forth on top of those Christmas ornaments, howling and howling. I didn't know where I was or how long this went on. When we figured out the time, later it turned out that I howled and was in pain for around an hour. Then all my strength was gone and I burst into tears, I started feeling sorry for myself, and so on and so forth . . . Then someone came into the room. I think I hear someone calling my name. I want to respond and restrain myself, I think that I'm hallucinating. I am silent, and then it continues: it seems that first a man's voice is calling me, then a woman's. Later I found out that Mamma had sent our neighbor, the one whose apartment she was hiding in, Uncle Sabir Kasumov, to our place, telling him, ""I know that they've killed Lyuda. Go there and at least bring her corpse to me so they don't violate her corpse."" He went and returned empty handed, but Mamma thought he just didn't want to carry the corpse into his apartment. She sent him another time, and then sent his wife, and they were walking through the rooms looking for me, but I didn't answer their calls. There was no light, they had smashed the chandeliers and lamps. They started the pogrom in our apartment around five o'clock, and at 9:30 I went down to the Kasumovs'. I went down the stairs myself. I walked out of the apartment: how long can you wait for your own death, how long can you be cowardly, afraid? Come what will. I walked out and started knocking on the doors one after the next. No one, not on the fifth floor, not on the fourth, opened the door. On the third floor, on the landing of the stairway, Uncle Sabir's son started to shout, ""Aunt Roza, don't cry, Lyuda's alive!"" He knocked on his own door and out came Aunt Tanya, Igor, and after them, Mamma. Aunt Tanya, Uncle Sabir's wife, is an Urdmurt. All of us were in their apartment. I didn't see Karina, but she was in their home, too, Lying delirious, she had a fever. Marina was there too, and my father and mother. All of my family had gathered there. At the door I lost consciousness. Igor and Aunt Tanya carried me into the apartment. Later I found out what they had done to our Karina. Mamma said, ""Lyuda, Karina's in really serious condition, she's probably dying. If she recognizes you, don't cry, don't tell her that her face looks so awful."" It was as though her whole face was paralyzed, you know, everything was pushed over to one side, her eye was all swollen, and everything flowed together, her lips, her cheeks . . . It was as though they had dragged her right side around the whole microdistrict, that's how disfigured her face was. I said, ""Fine."" Mamma was afraid to go into the room, because she went in and hugged Karina and started to cry. I went in. As soon as I saw her my legs gave way. I fell down near the bed, hugged her legs and started kissing them and crying. She opened the eye that was intact, looked at me, and said, ""Who is it?"" But I could barely talk, my whole face was so badly beaten. I didn't say, but rather muttered something tender, something incomprehensible, but tender, ""My Karochka, my Karina, my little golden one . . . "" She understood me. Then Igor brought me some water, I drank it down and moistened Karina's lips. She started to groan. She was saying something to me, but I couldn't understand it. Then I made out, ""It hurts, I hurt all over."" Her hair was glued down with blood. I stroked her forehead, her head, she had grit on her forehead, and on her lips . . . She was groaning again, and I don't know how to help her. She calls me over with her hand, come closer. I go to her. She's saying something to me, but I can't understand her. Igor brings her a pencil and paper and says, ""Write it down."" She shakes her head as if to say, no, I can't write. I can't understand what she's saying. She wanted to tell me something, but she couldn't. I say, ""Karina, just lie there a little while, then maybe you'll feel better and you can tell me then."" And then she says, ""Maybe it'll be too late."" And I completely . . . just broke down, I couldn't control myself. Then I moistened my hand in the water and wiped her forehead and eye. I dipped a handkerchief into the water and squeezed a little water onto her lips. She says, ""Lyuda, we're not saved yet, we have to go somewhere else. Out of this damned house. They want to kill us, I know. They'll find us here, too. We need to call Urshan."" She repeated this to me for almost a whole hour, Until I understood her every word. I ask, ""What's his number?"" Urshan Feyruzovich, that's the head of the administration where she works. ""We have to call him."" But I didn't know his home number. I say, ""Karina, what's his number?"" She says, ""I can't remember."" I say, ""Who knows his number? Who can I call?"" She says, ""I don't know anything, leave me alone."" I went out of the room. Igor stayed to watch over her and sat there, he was crying, too. I say, ""Mamma, Karina says that we have to call Urshan. How can we call him? Who knows his telephone number?"" I tell Marina, ""Think, think, who can we call to find out?"" She started calling; several people didn't answer. She called a girlfriend, her girlfriend called another girlfriend and found out the number and called us back. The boss's wife answered and said he was at the dacha. My voice keeps cracking, I can't talk normally. She says, ""Lyuda, don't panic, get a hold of yourself, go out to those hooligans and tell them that they just can't do that."" She still didn't know what was really going on. I said, ""It's easy for you to say that, you don't understand what's happening. They are killing people here. I don't think there is a single Armenian left in the building, they've cut them all up. I'm even surprised that we managed to save ourselves. ""She says, ""Well, OK, if it's that serious . . . "" And all the same she's thinking that my emotions are all churned up and that I'm fearing for my life, that in fact it's not all that bad. ""OK, fine, fine,"" she says, ""if you're afraid, OK, as soon as Urshan comes back I'll send him over."" We called again because they had just started robbing the apartment directly under Aunt Tanya's, on the second floor, Asya Dallakian's apartment. She wasn't home, she was staying with her daughter in Karabagh. They destroyed everything there . . . We realized that they still might come back. We kept on trying to get through to Aunt Tanya--Urshan's wife is named Tanya too and finally we get through. She says, ""Yes, he's come home, he's leaving for your place now."" He came. Of course he didn't know what was happening, either, because he brought two of his daughters with him. He came over in his jeep with his two daughters, like he was going on an outing. He came and saw what shape we were in and what was going on in town and got frightened. He has grown up daughters, they're almost my age. The three of us carried out Karina, tossed a coat on her and a warm scarf, and went down to his car. He took Karina and me to the Maternity Home. . . No, first they took us to the po]ice precinct. They had stretchers ready. As soon as we got out of the car they put Karina and me on stretchers and said that we were in serious condition and that we mustn't move, we might have fractures. From the stretcher I saw about 30 soldiers sitting and lying on the first floor, bandaged, on the concrete floor, groaning . . . This was around eleven o'clock at night. We had left the house somewhere around 1:30. When I saw those soldiers I realized that a war was going on: soldiers, enemies . . . everything just like a war. They carried me into some office on the stretcher. The emergency medical people from Baku were there. The medical attendant there was an older Armenian. Urshan told him what they had done to Karina because she's so proud she would never have told. And this aging Armenian . . . his name was Uncle Arkady, I think, because someone said ""Arkady, get an injection ready,"" he started to fill a syringe, and turned around so as to give Karina a shot. But when he looked at her face he became ill. And he was an old man, in his sixties, his hair was all grey, and his moustache, too. He hugged Karina and started to cry: ""What have they done to you?!"" He was speaking Armenian. ""What have they done to you?!"" Karina didn't say anything. Mamma came in then, and she started to cry, too. The man tried to calm her. ""I'll give you a shot."" Mamma tells him, ""I don't need any shot. Where is the government? Just what are they doing? Look what they've done to my children! They're killing people, and you're just sitting here!"" Some teacups were standing on the table in there. ""You're sitting here drinking tea! Look what they've done to my daughters! Look what they've turned them into!"" They gave her something to drink, some heart medicine, I think. They gave Karina an injection and the doctor said that she had to be taken to the Maternity Home immediately. Papa and Urshan, I think, even though Papa was in bad shape, helped carry Karina out. When they put her on the stretcher, none of the medics got near her. I don't know, maybe there weren't any orderlies. Then they came to me: ""What's the matter with you?"" Their tone was so official that I wrapped myself tighter in the half-length coat. I had a blanket on, too, an orange one, Aunt Tanya's. I said, ""I'm fine."" Uncle Arkady came over and was soothing me, and then told the doctor, ""You leave, let a woman examine her."" A woman came, an Azerbaijani, I believe, and said, ""What's wrong with you?"" I was wearing my sister Lyuda's nightshirt, the sister who at this time was in Yerevan. When she was nursing her infant she had cut out a big hole in it so that it would be easier to breast feed the baby. I tore the night shirt some more and showed her. I took it off my shoulders and turned my back to her. There was a huge wound, about the size of a hand, on my back, from the Indian vase. She said something to them and they gave me two shots. She said that it should be dressed with something, but that they'd do that in the hospital. They put me on a stretcher, too. They started looking for people to carry me. I raised up my head a little and wanted to sit up, and this woman, I don't know if she was a doctor or a nurse, said, ""Lie still, you mustn't move."" When I was lying back down I saw two policemen leading a man. His profile seemed very familiar to me. I shouted, ""Stop!"" One of the policemen turned and says, ""What do you want?"" I say, ""Bring him to me, I want to look at him."" They brought him over and I said, ""That person was just in our apartment and he just raped me and my sister. I recognize him, note it down."" They said, ""Fine,"" but didn't write it down and led him on. I don't know where they were taking him. Then they put my stretcher near where the injured and beaten soldiers were sitting. They went to look for the ambulance driver so he would bring the car up closer. One of the soldiers started talking to me, ""Sister . . . "" I don't remember the conversation exactly, but he asked me were we lived and what they did to us. I asked him, ""Where are you from?"" He said that he was from Ufa. Apparently they were the first that were brought in. The Ufa police. Later I learned that they suffered most of all. He says, ""OK, you're Armenians, they didn't get along with you, but I'm a Russian,"" he says, ""what are they trying to kill me for?"" Oh, I remembered something else. When I went out onto the balcony with Kuliyev for a hammer and nails I looked out the window and saw two Azerbaijanis beating a soldier near the kindergarten. He was pressed against the fence and he covered his head with his arms, they were beating him with his own club. The way he cried ""Mamma"" made my skin crawl. I don't know what they did to him, if he's still alive or not. And something else. Before he attack on our house we saw sheets, clothes, and some dishes flying from the third or fourth floor of the neighboring building, but I didn't think it was Azerbaijanis attacking Armenians. I thought that something was on fire or they were throwing something they didn't need out, or someone was fighting with someone. It was only later, when they were burning a passenger car in the yard, when the neighbors said that they were doing that to the Armenians, that I realized that this was serious, that it was anti-Armenian. They took Karina and me to the Sumgait Maternity Home. Mamma went to them too and said, ""I've been beaten too, help me."" But they just ignored her. My father went to them and said in a guilty voice, as though it was his fault that he'd been beaten, and says, ""My ribs hurt so much, those creeps have probably broken my ribs. Please look at them."" The doctor says, ""That's not my job."" Urshan said, ""Fine, I'll take you to my place and if we need a doctor, I'll find you one. I'll bring one and have him look at you. And he drove them to his apartment. Marina and I stayed there. They examined us. I was more struck by what the doctor said than by what those Azerbaijanis in our apartment did to us. I wasn't surprised when they beat us they wanted to beat us, but I was very surprised that in a Soviet medical facility a woman who had taken the Hippocratic Oath could talk to victims like that. By happy--or unhappy-- coincidence we were seen by the doctor that had delivered our Karina. And she, having examined Karina, said, ""No problem, you got off pretty good. Not like they did in Kafan, when you Armenians were killing and raping our women. ""Karina was in such terrible condition that she couldn't say anything--she would certainly have had something to say! Then they examined me. The same story. They put us in a separate ward. No shots, no medicinal powders, no drugs. Absolutely none! They didn't even give us tea. All the women there soon found out that in ward such and such were Armenians who had been raped. And they started coming and peering through the keyhole, the way people look at zoo animals. Karina didn't see this, she was lying there, and I kept her from seeing it. They put Ira B. in our ward. She had also been raped. True, she didn't have any serious bodily injuries, but when she told me what had happened at their place, I felt worse for them than I did for us. Because when they raped Ira her daughter was in the room, she was under the bed on which it happened. And Ira was holding her daughter's hand, the one who was hiding under the bed. When they were beating Ira or taking her earrings off, gold, when she involuntarily let go of her daughter's hand, her daughter took her hand again. Her daughter is in the fourth grade, she's 11 years old. I felt really awful when I heard that. Ira asked them not to harm her daughter, she said, ""Do what you want with me, just leave my daughter alone."" Well, they did what they wanted. They threatened to kill her daughter if she got in their way. Now I would be surprised if the criminals had behaved any other way that night. It was simply Bartholomew's Night, I say, they did what they would love to do every day: steal, kill, rape . . . Many are surprised that those animals didn't harm the children. The beasts explained it like this: this would be repeated in 15 to 20 years, and those children would be grown, and then, as they put it, ""we'll come take the pleasure out of their lives, those children."" This was about the girls that would be young women in 15 years. They were thinking about their tomorrow because they were sure that there would be no trial and no investigation, just as there was no trial or investigation in 1915, and that those girls could be of some use in 15 years. This I heard from the investigators; one of the victims testified to it. That's how they described their own natures, that they would still be bloodthirsty in 15 to 20 years, and in 100 years--they themselves said that. And this, too. Everyone is surprised that they didn't harm our Marina. Many people say that they either were drunk or had smoked too much. I don't know why their eyes were red. Maybe because they hadn't slept the night before, maybe for some other reason, I don't know. But they hadn't been smoking and they weren't drunk, I'm positive, because someone who has smoked will stop at nothing he has the urge to do. And they spoke in a cultured fashion with Marina: ""Little sister, don't be afraid, we won't harm you, don't look over there [where I was], you might be frightened. You're a Muslim, a Muslim woman shouldn't see such things."" So they were really quite sober . . . So we came out of that story alive. Each every day we have lived since it all happened bears the mark of that day. It wasn't even a day, of those several hours. Father still can't look us in the eyes. He still feels guilty for what happened to Karina, Mother, and me. Because of his nerves he's started talk- ing to himself, I've heard him argue with himself several times when he thought no one is listening: ""Listen,"" he'll say, ""what could I do? What could I do alone, how could I protect them?"" I don't know where to find the words, it's not that I'm happy, but I am glad that he didn't see it all happen. That's the only thing they spared us . . . or maybe it happened by chance. Of course he knows it all, but there's no way you could imagine every last detail of what happened. And there were so many conversations: Karina and I spoke together in private, and we talked with Mamma, too. But Father was never present at those conversations. We spare him that, if you can say that. And when the investigator comes to the house, we don't speak with Father present. On February 29, the next clay, Karina and I were discharged from the hospital. First they released me, but since martial law had been declared in the city, the soldiers took me to the police precinct in an armored personnel carrier. There were many people there, Armenian victims. I met the Tovmasian family there. From them I learned that Rafik and their Uncle Grant had died. They were sure that both had died. They were talking to me and Raya, Rafik's wife and Grant's daughter, and her mother, were both crying. Then they took us all out of the office on the first floor into the yard. There's a little one-room house outside there, a recreation and reading area. They took us in there. The women were afraid to go because they thought that they were shooing us out of the police precinct because it had become so dangerous that even the people working at the precinct wanted to hide. The women were shouting. They explained to them: ""We want to hide you better because it's possible there will be an attack on the police precinct."" We went into the little house. There were no chairs or tables in there. We had children with us and they were hungry; we even had infants who needed to have their diapers changed. No one had anything with them. It was just awful. They kept us there for 24 hours. From the window of the one room house you could see that there were Azerbaijanis standing on the fences around the police precinct, as though they were spying on us. The police precinct is surrounded by a wall, like a fence, and it's electrified, but if they were standing on the wall, it means the electricity was shut off. This brought great psychological pressure to bear on us, particularly on those who hadn't just walked out of their apartments, but who hadn't slept for 24 hours, or 48, or those who had suffered physically and spiritually, the ones who had lost family members. For us it was another ordeal. We were especially frightened when all the precinct employees suddenly disappeared. We couldn't see a single person, not in the courtyard and not in the windows. We thought that they must have already been hiding under the building, that they must have some secret room down there. People were panicking: they started throwing themselves at one another . . . That's the way it is on a sinking ship. We heard those people, mainly young people, whistling and whopping on the walls. We felt that the end was approaching. I was completely terrified: I had left Karina in the hospital and didn't know where my parents were. I was sort of calm about my parents, I was thinking only about Karina, if, Heaven forbid, they should attack the hospital, they would immediately tell them that there was an Armenian in there, and something terrible would happen to Karina again, and she wouldn't be able to take it. Then soldiers with dogs appeared. When they saw the dogs some of the people climbed down off the fence. Then they brought in about another 30 soldiers. They all had machine guns in readiness, their fingers on the triggers. We calmed down a little. They brought us chairs and brought the children some little cots and showed us where we could wash our hands, and took the children to the toilet. But we all sat there hungry, but to be honest, it would never have occurred to any of us that we hadn't eaten for two days and that people do eat. Then, closer to nightfall, they brought a group of detained criminals. They were being watched by soldiers with guard dogs. One of the men came back from the courtyard and told us about it. Raya Tovmasian . . . it was like a different woman had been substituted. Earlier she had been crying, wailing, and calling out: ""Oh, Rafik!,"" but when she heard about this such a rage came over her! She jumped up, she had a coat on, and she started to roll up her sleeves like she was getting ready to beat someone. And suddenly there were soldiers, and dogs, and lots of people. She ran over to them. The bandits were standing there with their hands above their heads facing the wall. She went up to one of them and grabbed him by the collar and started to shake and thrash him! Then, on to a second, and a third. Everyone was rooted to the spot. Not one of the soldiers moved, no one went up to help or made her stop her from doing it. And the bandits fell down and covered their heads with their hands, muttering something. She came back and sat down, and something akin to a smile appeared on her face. She became so quiet: no tears, no cries. Then that round was over and she went back to beat them again. She was walking and cursing terribly: take that, and that, they killed my husband, the bastards, the creeps, and so on. Then she came back again and sat down. She probably did this the whole night through, well, it wasn't really night, no one slept. She went five or six times and beat them and returned. And she told the women, ""What are you sitting there for? They killed your husbands and children, they raped, and you're just sitting there. You're sitting and talking as though nothing had happened. Aren't you Armenians?"" She appealed to everyone, but no one got up. I was just numb, I didn't have the strength to beat anyone, I could barely hold myself up, all the more so since I had been standing for so many hours--I was released at eleven o'clock in the morning and it was already after ten at night because there weren't enough chairs, really it was the elderly and women with children who sat. I was on my feet the whole time. There was nothing to breathe, the door was closed, and the men were smoking. The situation was deplorable. At eleven o'clock at night policemen came for us, local policemen, Azerbaijanis. They said, ""Get up. They've brought mattresses, you can wash up and put the children to bed."" Now the women didn't want to leave this place, either. The place had become like home, it was safe, there were soldiers with dogs. If anyone went outside, the soldiers would say, ""Oh, it's our little family,"" and things like that. The soldiers felt this love, and probably, for the first time in their lives perceived themselves as defenders. Everyone spoke from the heart, cried, and hugged them and they, with their loaded machine guns in their hands, said, ""Grandmother, you mustn't approach me, I'm on guard."" Our people would say, ""Oh, that's all right."" They hugged them, one woman even kissed one of the machine guns. This was all terribly moving for me. And the small children kept wanting to pet the dogs. They took us up to the second floor and said, ""You can undress and sleep in here. Don't be afraid, the precinct is on guard, and it's quiet in the city."" This was the 29th, when the killing was going on in block 41A and in other places. Then we were told that all the Armenians were being gathered at the SK club and at the City Party Committee. They took us there. On the way I asked them to stop at the Maternity Home: I wanted to take Karina with me. I didn't know what was happening there. They told me, ""Don't worry, the Maternity Home is full of soldiers, more than mothers-to-be. So you can rest assured. I say, ""Well, I won't rest assured regardless, because the staff in there is capable of anything."" When I arrived at the City Party Committee it turned out that Karina had already been brought there. They had seen fit to release her from the hospi- tal, deciding that she felt fine and was no longer in need of any care. Once we were in the City Party Committee we gave free reign to our tears. We met acquaintances, but everyone was somehow divided into two groups, those who hadn't been injured, who were clothed, who had brought a pot of food with them, and so on, and those, like me, like Raya, who were wearing whatever had come their way. There were even people who were all made up, dolled up like they had come from a wedding. There were people without shoes, naked people, hungry people, those who were crying, and those who had lost someone. And of course the stories and the talk were flying: ""Oh, I heard that they killed him!"" ""What do you mean they killed him!"" ""He stayed at work!"" ""Do you know what's happening at this and such a plant? Talk like that. And then I met Aleksandr Mikhailovich Gukasian, the teacher. I know him very well and respect him highly. I've known him for a long time. They had a small room, well really it was more like a study-room. We spent a whole night talking in that study once. On March 1 we heard that Bagirov [First Secretary of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan SSR] had arrived. Everyone ran to see Bagirov, what news he had brought with him and how this was all being viewed from outside. He arrived and everyone went up to him to talk to him and ask him things. Everyone was in a tremendous rage. But he was protected by soldiers, and he went up to the second floor and didn't deign to speak with the people. Apparently he had more important things to do. Several hours passed. Gukasian called me and says, ""Lyudochka, find another two or three. We're going to make up lists, they asked for them upstairs, lists of the dead, those whose whereabouts are unknown, and lists of people who had pogroms of their apartments and of those whose cars were burned."" I had about 50 people in my list when they called me and said, ""Lyuda, your Mamma has arrived, she's looking for you, she doesn't believe that you are alive and well and that you're here."" I gave the lists to someone and asked them to continue what I was doing and went off. The list was imprecise, of course. It included Grant Adamian, Raya Tovmasian's father, who was alive, but at the time they thought him dead. There was Engels Grigorian's father and aunt, Cherkez and Maria. The list also included the name of my girlfriend and neighbor, Zhanna Agabekian. One of the guys said that he had been told that they chopped her head off in the courtyard in front of the Kosmos movie theater. We put her on the list too, and cried, but later it turned out that that was just a rumor, that in fact an hour earlier she had somehow left Sumgait for the marina and from there had set sail for Krasnovodsk, where, thank God, she was alive and well. I should also say that in addition to those who died that list contained people who were rumored missing or who were so badly wounded that they were given up for dead. 3 All the lists were taken to Bagirov. I don't remember how many dead were contained in the list, but it's a fact that when Gukasian came in a couple of minutes later he was cursing and was terribly irate. I asked, ""What's going on?"" He said, ""Lyuda, can you imagine what animals, what scoundrels they are! They say that they lost the list of the dead. Piotr Demichev [Member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the USSR] has just arrived, and we were supposed to submit the list to him, so that he'd see the scope of the slaughter, of the tragedy, whether it was one or fifty."" They told him that the list had disappeared and they should ask everyone who hadn't left for the Khimik boarding house all over again. There were 26 people on our second list. I think that the number 26 was the one that got into the press and onto television and the radio, because that's the list that Demichev got. I remember exactly that there were 26 people on the list, I had even told Aleksandr Mikhailovich that that was only a half of those that were on the first list. He said, ""Lyuda, please, try to remember at least one more."" But I couldn't remember anyone else. But there were more than 30 dead. Of that I am certain. The government and the Procuracy don't count the people who died of fright, like sick people and old people whose lives are threatened by any shock. They weren't registered as victims of the Sumgait tragedy. And then there may be people we didn't know. So many people left Sumgait between March 1 and 8! Most of them left for smaller towns in Russia, and especially to the Northern Caucasus, to Stavropol, and the Krasnodarsk Territory. We don't have any information on them. I know that there are people who set out for parts around Moscow. In the periodical Krestyanka [Woman Farmer] there was a call for people who know how to milk cows, and for mechanics, and drivers, and I know a whole group of people went to help out. Also clearly not on our list are those people who died entering the city, who were burned in their cars. No one knows about them, except the Azerbaijanis, who are hardly likely to say anything about it. And there's more. A great many of the people who were raped were not included in the list drawn up at the Procuracy. I know of three instances for sure, and I of course don't know them all. I'm thinking of three women whose parents chose not to publicize what had happened, that is, they didn't take the matter to court, they simply left. But in so doing they didn't cease being victims. One of them is the first cousin of my classmate Kocharian. She lived in Microdistrict No. 8, on the fifth floor. I can't tell you the building number and I don't know her name. Then comes the neighbor of one of my relatives, she lived in Microdistrict 1 near the gift shop. I don't know her name, she lives on the same landing as the Sumgait procurator. They beat her father, he was holding the door while his daughter hid, but he couldn't hold the door forever, and when she climbed over the balcony to the neighbors' they seized her by her braid. Like the Azerbaijanis were saying, it was a very cultured mob, because they didn't kill anyone, they only raped them and left. And the third one . . . I don't remember who the third one was anymore. They transferred us on March 1. Karina still wasn't herself. Yes, we lived for days in the SK, in the cultural facility, and at the Khimik. They lived there and I lived at the City Party Committee because I couldn't stay with Karina; it was too difficult for me, but I was at peace: she had survived. I could already walk, but really it was honest words that held me up. Thanks to the social work I did there, I managed to persevere. Aleksandr Mikhailovich said, ""If it weren't for the work I would go insane."" He and I put ourselves in gear and took everything upon ourselves: someone had an infant and needed diapers and free food, and we went to get them. The first days we bought everything, although we should have received it for free. They were supposed to have been dispensed free of charge, and they sold it to us. Then, when we found out it was free, we went to Krayev. At the time, fortunately, you could still drop by to see him like a neighbor, all the more so since everything was still clearly visible on our faces. Krayev sent a captain down and he resolved the issue. On March 2 they sent two investigators to see us: Andrei Shirokov and Vladimir Fedorovich Bibishev. The way it worked out, in our family they had considered only Karina and me victims, maybe because she and I wound up in the hospital. Mother and Father are considered witnesses, but not victims. Shirokov was involved with Karina's case, and Bibishev, with mine. After I told him everything, he and I planned to sit down with the identikit and record everyone I could remember while everything was still fresh in my mind. We didn't work with the identikit until the very last day because the conditions weren't there. The investigative group worked slowly and did poor quality work solely because the situation wasn't conducive to working: there weren't enough automobiles, especially during the time when there was a curfew, and there were no typewriters for typing transcripts, and no still or video cameras. I think that this was done on purpose. We're not so poor that we can't supply our investigators with all that stuff. It was done especially to draw out the investigation, all the more so since the local authorities saw that the Armenians were leaving at the speed of light, never to return to Sumgait. And the Armenians had a lot to say I came to an agreement with Bibishev, I told him myself, ""Don't you worry, if it takes us a month or two months, I'll be here. I'm not afraid, I looked death in the eyes five times in those two days, I'll help you conduct the investigation."" He and I worked together a great deal, and I used this to shelter Karina, I gave them so much to do that for a while they didn't have the time to get to her, so that she would at least have a week or two to get back to being her- self. She was having difficulty breathing so we looked for a doctor to take x- rays. She couldn't eat or drink for nine days, she was nauseous. I didn't eat and drank virtually nothing for five days. Then, on the fifth day, when we were in Baku already, the investigator told me, ""How long can you go on like this? Well fine, so you don't want to eat, you don't love yourself, you're not taking care of yourself, but you gave your word that you would see this investigation through. We need you."" Then I started eating, because in fact I was exhausted. It wasn't enough that I kept seeing those faces in our apart- ment in my mind, every day I went to the investigative solitary confinement cells and prisons. I don't know . . . we were just everywhere! Probably in every prison in the city of Baku and in all the solitary confinement cells of Sumgait. At that time they had even turned the drunk tank into solitary confinement. Thus far I have identified 31 of the people who were in our apartment. Mamma identified three, and Karina, two. The total is 36. Marina didn't identify anyone, she remembers the faces of two or three, But they weren't among the photographs of those detained. I told of the neighbor I recognized. The one who went after the axe. He still hasn't been detained, he's still on the loose. He's gone, and it's not clear if he will be found or not. I don't know his first or last name. I know which building he lived in and I know his sisters' faces. But he's not in the city. The investigators informed me that even if the investigation is closed and even if the trial is over they will continue looking for him. The 31 people I identified are largely blue-collar workers from various plants, without education, and of the very lowest level in every respect. Mostly their ages range from 20 to 30 years; there was one who was 48. Only one of them was a student. He was attending the Azerbaijan Petroleum and Chemical Institute in Sumgait, his mother kept trying to bribe the investiga- tor. Once, thinking that I was an employee and not a victim, she said in front of me ""I'll set you up a restaurant worth 500 rubles and give you 600 in cash simply for keeping him out of Armenia,"" that is, to keep him from landing in a prison on Armenian soil. They're all terribly afraid of that, because if the investigator is talking with a criminal and the criminal doesn't confess even though we identified him, they tell him--in order to apply psychological pressure--they say, ""Fine, don't confess, just keep silent. When you're in an Armenian prison, when they find out who you are, they'll take care of you in short order."" That somehow gets to them. Many give in and start to talk. The investigators and I were in our apartment and videotaped the entire pogrom of our apartment, as an investigative experiment. It was only then that I saw the way they had left our apartment. Even without knowing who was in our apartment, you could guess. They stole, for example, all the money and all the valuables, but didn't take a single book. They tore them up, burned them, poured water on them, and hacked them with axes. Only the Materials from the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and James Fenimore Cooper's Last of the Mohigans. Oh yes, lunch was ready, we were boiling a chicken, and there were lemons for tea on the table. After they had been in our apartment, both the chicken and the lemons were gone. That's enough to tell you what kind of people were in our apartment, people who don't even know anything about books. They didn't take a single book, but they did take worn clothing, food, and even the cheapest of the cheap, worn-out slippers. Of those whom I identified, four were Kafan Azerbaijanis living in Sumgait. Basically, the group that went seeking ""revenge""--let's use their word for it--was joined by people seeking easy gain and thrill-seekers. I talked with one of them. He had gray eyes, and somehow against the back-drop of all that black I remembered him specifically because of his of his eyes. Besides taking part in the pogrom of our apartment, he was also involved in the murder of Tamara Mekhtiyeva from Building 16. She was an older Armenian who had recently arrived from Georgia, she lived alone and did not have anyone in Sumgait. I don't know why she had a last name like that, maybe she was married to an Azerbaijani. I had laid eyes on this woman only once or twice, and know nothing about her. I do know that they murdered her in her apartment with an axe. Murdering her wasn't enough for them. They hacked her into pieces and threw them into the tub with water. I remember another guy really well too, he was also rather fair-skinned. You know, all the people who were in our apartment were darker than dark, both their hair and their skin. And in contrast with them, in addition to the grey- eyed one, I remember this one fellow, the one l took to be a Lezgin. I identified him. As it turned out he was Eduard Robertovich Grigorian, born in the city of Sumgait, and he had been convicted twice. One of our own. How did I remember him? The name Rita was tattooed on his left or right hand. I kept thinking, is that Rita or ""puma,"" which it would be if you read the word as Latin characters instead of Cyrillic, because the Cyrillic ""T"" was the one that looks like a Latin ""M."" When they led him in he sat with his hands behind his back. This was at the confrontation. He swore on every holy book, tried to put in an Armenian word here and there to try and spark my compassion, and told me that I was making a mistake, and called me ""dear sister."" He said, ""You're wrong, how could I, an Armenian, raise my hand against my own, an Armenian,"" and so on. He spoke so convincingly that even the investigator asked me, ""Lyuda, are you sure it was he?"" I told him, ""I'll tell you one more identifying mark. If I'm wrong I shall apologize and say I was mistaken. The name Rita is tattooed on his left or right hand."" He went rigid and became pale. They told him, ""Put your hands on the table."" He put his hands on the table with the palms up. I said, ""Now turn your hands over,"" but he didn't turn his hands over. Now this infuriated me. If he had from the very start acknowledged his guilt and said that he hadn't wanted to do it, that they forced him or something else, I would have treated him somewhat differently. But he insolently stuck to his story, ""No, I did not do anything, it wasn't me."" When they turned his hands over the name Rita was in fact tattooed on his hand. His face distorted and he whispered something wicked. I immediately flew into a rage. There was an ashtray on the table, a really heavy one, made out of granite or something, very large, and it had ashes and butts in it. Catching myself quite by surprise, I hurled that ashtray at him. But he ducked and the ashtray hit the wall, and ashes and butts rained down on his head and back. And he smiled. When he smiled it provoked me further. I don't know how, but I jumped over the table between us and started either pounding him or strangling him; I no longer remember which. When I jumped I caught the microphone cord. The investigator was there, Tolya . . .I no longer recall his last name, and he says, ""Lyudochka, it's a Japanese microphone! Please . . . "" And shut off all the equipment on the spot, it was all being video taped. They took him away. I stayed, and they talked to me a little to calm me down, because we needed to go on working, I only remember Tolya telling me, ""You're some actress! What a performance!"" I said, ""Tolya, honestly . . . "" Beforehand they would always tell me, ""Lyuda, more emotion. You speak as calmly as if nothing had happened to you."" I say, ""I don't have any more strength or emotion. All my emotions are behind me now, I no longer have the strength . . . I don't have the strength to do anything."" And he says, ""Lyuda, how were you able to do that?"" And when I returned to normal, drinking tea and watching the tape, I said, ""Can I really have jumped over that table? I never jumped that high in gym class."" So you could say the gang that took over our apartment was international. Of the 36 we identified there was an Armenian, a Russian, Vadim Vorobyev, who beat Mamma, and 34 Azerbaijanis. At the second meeting with Grigorian, when he had completely confessed his guilt, he told of how on February 27 the Azerbaijanis had come knocking. Among them were guys--if you can call them guys--he knew from prison. They said, ""Tomorrow we're going after the Armenians. Meet us at the bus station at three o'clock."" He said, ""No, I'm not coming."" They told him, ""If you don't come we'll kill you."" He said, ""Alright, I'll come."" And he went. They also went to visit my classmate from our microdistrict, Kamo Pogosian. He had also been in prison; I think that together they had either stolen a motorcycle or dismantled one to get some parts they needed. They called him out of his apartment and told him the same thing: ""Tomorrow we're going to get the Armenians. Be there."" He said, ""No."" They pulled a knife on him. He said, ""I'm not going all the same."" And in the courtyard on the 27th they stabbed him several times, in the stomach. He was taken to the hospital. I know he was in the hospital in Baku, in the Republic hospital. If we had known about that we would have had some idea of what was to come on the 28th. I'll return to Grigorian, what he did in our apartment. I remember that he beat me along with all the rest. He spoke Azerbaijani extremely well. But he was very fair-skinned, maybe that led me to think that they had it out for him, too. But later it was proved that he took part in the beating and burning of Shagen Sargisian. I don't know if he participated in the rapes in our apartment; I didn't see, I don't remember. But the people who were in our apartment who didn't yet know that he was an Armenian said that he did. I don't know if he confessed or not, and I myself don't recall because I blacked out very often. But I think that he didn't participate in the rape of Karina because he was in the apartment the whole time. When they carried her into the courtyard, he remained in the apartment. At one point I was talking with an acquaintance about Edik Grigorian. From her I learned that his wife was a dressmaker, his mother is Russian, he doesn't have a father, and that he's been convicted twice. Well this will be his third and, I hope, last sentence. He beat his wife, she was eternally coming to work with bruises. His wife was an Armenian by the name of Rita. The others who were detained . . . well they're little beasts. You really can't call them beasts, they're just little beasts. They were robots carrying out someone else's will, because at the investigation they all said, ""I don't understand how I could have done that, I was out of my head."" But we know that they were won around to it and prepared for it, that's why they did it. In the name of Allah, in the name of the Koran, in the name of propagating Islam-- that's holy to them--that's why they did everything they were commanded to do. Because I saw they didn't have minds of their own, I'm not talking about their level of cultural sophistication or any higher values. No education, they work, have a slew of children without the means to raise them properly, they crowd them in, like at the temporary housing, and apparently, they were promised that if they slaughtered the Armenians they would receive apartments. So off they went. Many of them explained their participation saying, ""they promised us apartments."" Among them was one who genuinely repented. I am sure that he repented from the heart and that he just despised himself after the incident. He worked at a children's home, an Azerbaijani, he has two children, and his wife works at the children's home too. Everything that they acquired, everything that they have they earned by their own labor, and wasn't inherited from parents or grandparents. And he said, ""I didn't need anything I just don't know . . . how I ended up in that; it was like some hand was guiding me. I had no will of my own, I had no strength, no masculine dignity, nothing."" And the whole time I kept repeating, ""Now you imagine that someone did the same to your young wife right before your own eyes."" He sat there and just wailed. But that leader in the Eskimo dogskin coat was not detained. He performed a marvelous disappearing act, but I think that they'll get onto him, they just have to work a little, because that Vadim, that boy, according to his grandfather, is in touch with the young person who taught him what to do, how to cover his tracks. He was constantly exchanging jackets with other boys he knew and those he didn't, either, and other things as well, and changed himself like a chameleon so they wouldn't get onto him, but he was detained. That one in the Eskimo dogskin coat was at the Gambarians' after Aleksandr Gambarian was murdered. He came in and said, ""Let's go, enough, you've spilled enough blood here."" Maybe Karina doesn't know this but the reason they didn't finish her off was that they were hoping to take her home with them. I heard this from Aunt Tanya and her sons, the Kasumovs, who were in the courtyard near the entryway. They liked her very much, and they had decided to take her to home with them. When Karina came to at one point--she doesn't remember this yet, this the neighbors old me--and she saw that there was no one around her, she started crawling to the entryway. They saw that she was still alive and came back, they were already at the third entryway, on their way to the Gambarians'. They came back and started beating her to finish her. If she had not come to she would have sustained lesser bodily injuries, they would have beat her less. An older woman from our building, Aunt Nazan, an Azerbaijani, all but lay on top of Karina, crying and pleading that they leave her alone, but they flung her off. The woman's grown sons were right nearby; they picked her up in their hands and led her home. She howled and cried out loudly and swore: God is on Earth, he sees everything, and He won't forgive this. There was another woman, too, Aunt Fatima, a sick, aging woman from the first floor, she's already retired. Mountain dwellers, and Azerbaijanis, too, have a custom: If men are fighting, they throw a scarf under their feet to stop them. But they trampled her scarf and sent her home. To trample a scarf is tantamount to trampling a woman's honor. Now that the investigation is going on, now that a lot is behind us and we have gotten back to being ourselves a little, I think about how could these events that are now called the Sumgait tragedy happen? How did they come about? How did it start? Could it have been avoided? Well, it's clear that without a signal, without permission from the top leadership, it would not have happened. All the same, I'm not afraid to say this, the Azerbaijanis, let other worthy people take no offense, the better representatives of their nations, let them take no offense, but the Azerbaijanis in their majority are a people who are kept in line only by fear of the law, fear of retribution for what they have done. And when the law said that they could do all that, like unleashed dogs who were afraid they wouldn't have time to do everything, they threw themselves from one thing to the next so as to be able to get more done, to snatch a bit more. The smell of the danger was already in the air on February 27. You could tell that something was going to happen. And everyone who had figured it out took steps to avoid running into those gangs. Many left for their dachas, got plane tickets for the other end of the country, just got as far away as their legs would carry them. February 27 was a Saturday. I was teaching my third class. The director came into my classroom and said that I should let the children out, that there had been a call from the City Party Committee asking that all teachers gather for a meeting at Lenin Square. Well, I excused the children, and there were few teachers left at school, altogether three women, the director, and six or seven men. The rest had already gone home. We got to Lenin Square and there were a great many people there. This was around five-thirty or six in the evening, no later. They were saying all kinds of rubbish up on the podium and the crowd below was supporting them stormily, roaring. They spoke over the microphone about what had happened in Kafan a few days earlier and that the driver of a bus going to some district had recently thrown a small Azerbaijani child off the bus. The speaker affirmed that he was an eyewitness, that he had seen it himself..The crowd started to rage: ""Death to the Armenians! They must be killed!"" Then a woman went up on stage. I didn't see the woman because people were clinging to the podium like flies. I could only hear her. The woman introduced herself as coming from Kafan, and said that the Armenians cut her daughters' breasts off, and called, ""Sons, avenge my daughters!"" That was enough. A portion of the people on the square took off running in the direction of the factories, toward the beginning of Lenin Street. We stood there about an hour. Then the director of School 25 spoke, he gave a very nationalist speech. He said, ""Brother Muslims, kill the Armenians!"" This he repeated every other sentence. When he said this the crowd supported him stormily, whistling and shouting ""Karabagh!"" He said, ""Karabagh has been our territory my whole life long, Karabagh is my soul. How can you tear out my heart?"" As though an Azerbaijani would die without Karabagh. ""It's our territory, the Armenians will never see it. The Armenians must be eliminated. From time immemorial Muslims have cleansed the land of infidel Armenians, from time immemorial, that's the way nature created it, that every 20 to 30 years the Azerbaijanis should cleanse the land of filth."" By filth he meant Armenians. I heard this. Before that I hadn't been listening to the speeches closely. Many people spoke and I stood with my back to the podium, talking shop with the other teachers, and somehow it all went right by, it didn't penetrate, that in fact something serious was taking place. Then, when one of our teachers said, ""Listen to what he's saying, listen to what idiocy he's spouting,"" we listened. That was the speech of that director. Before that we listened to the woman's speech. Right then in our group--there were nine of us--the mood changed, and the subject of conversation and all school matters were forgotten. Our director of studies, for whom I had great respect, he's an Azerbaijani . . . Before that I had considered him an upstanding and worthy person, if there was a need to obtain leave we had asked him, he seemed like a good person. So he tells me, ""Lyuda, you know that besides you there are no Armenians on the square? If they find out that you're an Armenian they'll tear you to pieces. Should I tell them you're an Armenian? Should I tell them you're an Armenian?"" When he said it the first time I pretended not to hear it, and then he asked me a second time. I turned to the director, Khudurova, and said that it was already after eight, I was expected at home, and I should be leaving. She answered, ""No, they said that women should stay here until ten o'clock,.and men, until twelve. Stay here."" There was a young teacher with us, her children were in kindergarten and her husband worked shifts. She asked to leave: ""I left my children at the kindergarten."" The director excused her. When she let her go I turned around, said, ""Good-bye,"" and left with the young teacher, the Azerbaijani. I didn't see them after that. When we were walking the buses weren't running, and a crowd from the rally ran nearby us. They had apparently gotten all fired up. It must have become too much for them, and they wanted to seek vengeance immediately, so they rushed off. I wasn't afraid this time because I was sure that the other teacher wouldn't say that I was an Armenian. To make it short, we reached home. Then Karina told of how they had been at the movies and what had happened there. I started telling of my experience and again my parents didn't understand that we were in danger. We watched television as usual, and didn't even imagine that tomorrow would be our last day. That's how it all was. At the City Party Committee I met an acquaintance, we went to school together, Zhanna, I don't remember her last name, she lives above the housewares store on Narimanov Street. She was there with her father, for some reason she doesn't have a mother. The two of them were at home alone. While her father held the door she jumped from the third floor, and she was lucky that the ground was wet and that there wasn't anyone behind the building when she went out on the balcony, there was no one there, they were all standing near the entryway. That building was also a lucky one in that there were no murders there. She jumped. She jumped and didn't feel any pain in the heat of the moment. A few days later I found out that she couldn't stand up, she had been injured somehow. That's how people in Sumgait saved their lives, their honor, and their children: any way they could. Where it was possible, the Armenians fought back. My father's first cousin, Armen M., lives in Block 30. They found out by phone from one of the victims what was going on in town. The Armenians in that building all called one another immediately and all of them armed themselves with axes, knives, even with muskets and went up to the roof. They took their infants with them, and their old women who had been in bed for God knows how many months, they got them right out of their beds and took everyone upstairs. They hooked electricity up to the trap door to the roof and waited, ready to fight. Then they took the daughter of the school board director hostage, she's an Azerbaijani who lived in their building. They called the school board director and told her that if she didn't help them, the 17 Armenians on the roof, to escape alive and unharmed, she'd never see her daughter again. I'm sure, of course, that Armenians would never lay a hand on a woman, it was just the only thing that could have saved them at the time. She called the police. The Armenians made a deal with the local police to go into town. Two armored personnel carriers and soldiers were summoned They surrounded the entryway and led everyone down from the roof, and off to the side from the armored personnel carriers was a crowd that was on its way to the building at that very moment, into Block 30. That's how they defended themselves. I heard that our neighbors, Roman and Sasha Gambarian, resisted. They're big, strong guys. Their father was killed. And I heard that the brothers put up a strong defense and lost their father, but were able to save their mother. One of the neighbors told me that after it happened, when they were looking for the criminals on March 1 to 2 and detaining everyone they suspected, people hid people in our entryway, maybe people who were injured or perhaps dead. The neighbors themselves were afraid to go there, and when they went with the soldiers into our basement they are supposed to have found Azerbaijani corpses. I don't know how many. Even if they had been wounded and put down there, after two days they would have died from loss of blood or infection--that basement was filled with water. I heard this from the neighbors. And later when I was talking with the investigators the subject came up and they confirmed it. I know, too, that for several hours the basement was used to store objects stolen from our apartment. And our neighbor carried out our carpet, along with the rest: he stole it for himself, posing as one of the criminals. Everyone was taking his own share, and the neighbor took his, too, and carried it home. And when we came back, when everything seemed to have calmed down, he returned it, saying that it was the only thing of ours he had managed to ""save."" Raya's husband and father defended themselves. The Trdatovs defended themselves, and so did other Armenian families. To be sure there were Azerbaijani victims, although we'll never hear anything about them. For some reason our government doesn't want to say that the Armenians were not just victims, but that they defended the honor of their sisters and mothers, too. In the TV show ""Pozitsiya"" [Viewpoint] a military man, an officer, said that the Armenians did virtually nothing to defend themselves. But that's not important, the truth will come out regardless. So that's the price we paid those three days. For three days our courage, our bravery, and our humanity was tested. It was those three days, and not the years and dozens of years we had lived before them, that showed what we've become, what we grew up to be. Those three days showed who was who. On that I will conclude my narrative on the Sumgait tragedy. It should be said that it's not over yet, the trials are still ahead of us, and the punishments received by those who so violated us, who wanted to make us into nonhumans will depend on our position and on the work of the investigators, the Procuracy, and literally of every person who lent his hand to the investiga- tion. That's the price we paid to live in Armenia, to not fear going out on the street at night, to not be afraid to say we're Armenians, and to not fear speaking our native tongue. October 15,1988 Yerevan - - - reference for #008 - - - [1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 118-145 -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 ";-1;0 "From: dmp1@ukc.ac.uk (D.M.Procida) Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? Reply-To: dmp1@ukc.ac.uk (D.M.Procida) Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK. Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: eagle.ukc.ac.uk In article <19609@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >Accepted by whom? Not by scientists. There are people >in every country who waste time and money on quackery. >In Britain and Scandanavia, where I have worked, it was not paid for. >What are ""most of these countries?"" I don't believe you. I am told (by the person who I care a lot about and who I am worried is going to start putting his health and money into homeopathy without really knowing what he is getting into and who is the reason I posted in the first place about homeopathy) that in Britain homeopathy is available on the National Health Service and that there are about 6000 GPs who use homeopathic practices. True? False? What? Have there been any important and documented investigations into homeopathic principles? I was reading a book on homeopathy over the weekend. I turned to the section on the principles behind homeopathic medicine, and two paragraphs informed me that homeopaths don't feel obliged to provide any sort of explanation. The author stated this with pride, as though it were some sort of virtue! Why am I sceptical about homeopathy? Is it because I am a narrow-minded bigot, or is it because homeopathy really looks more like witch-doctory than anything else? Daniele. ";-1;0 "From: alamut@netcom.com (Max Delysid (y!)) Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! Organization: Longinus Software & Garden ov Delights Lines: 27 In article <1qppef$i5b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) writes: > > Name just three *really* competing Rosicrucian Orders. I have >probably spent more time than you doing the same. > > None of them are spin-offs from O.T.O. The opposite may be the >case. Can we assume from this statement that you are >unequivocally< saying that AMORC is not a spin off of OTO? .. and that in fact, OTO may well be a spin off of AMORC?? i would be quite interested in hearing what evidence you have to support this claim. >Study Harder, Study Smarter, not Harder! :-) -- --->|<------------------------------------------------------------------------- <---|---> More. More of Everything. More of Everything for Everybody. <-|-> ""Real total war has become information war, it is being fought now..."" <---|---> !MaX! Delysid - alamut@netcom.com - ALamutBBS 415.431.7541 1:125/51 --->|<------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby) Subject: Re: BMW battery Organization: AT&T Lines: 27 : In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes: : >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive, : >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns : >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer. : What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know : numerous people that are still using the original battery in there : 8-10 year old beemers. THe original battery in an 8-10 year old BMW may be fine. Mine lasted many years. The replacement 30AH battery from BMW was a disaster. The mechanic from Comp. Acc. told me that CA would warantee replace the bad one with a new one of the same evil bad batteries and tell the customer if they have problems to bring it back and they'd do it again. It seems that many of those 30AH batteries were DOA, near-DOA, and always unlikely to be going strong by the end of the warantee period on them. THere was a big batch of bad ones, and they replaced them with -you guessed it - more bad ones. BMW switched to a 25AH battery that has more cold cranking amps, even if it has less total juice. I switched to a YUASA that has even more cold cranking amps and cost one third fewer dollars. Neil Kirby DoD #0783 nak@archie.cbusa.att.com AT&T Bell Labs Columbus OH USA (614) 860-5304 If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense. ";-1;0 "From: mrj@cs.su.oz.au (Mark James) Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (Why VLB busmastering slows your system) Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia Lines: 12 In article <1993Apr16.205724.26258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) writes: > >Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to >a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system..... > >If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick >up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa >busmastering cards. Is VLB busmastering bad because it stops the processor fetching from external cache as well as main memory while the VLB card has the bus? How significant is the slowing effect? ";-1;0 "From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: DC-X update??? Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 122 In article dragon@angus.mi.org writes: >Exactly when will the hover test be done, Early to mid June. >and will any of the TV >networks carry it. I really want to see that... If they think the public wants to see it they will carry it. Why not write them and ask? 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Nntp-Posting-Host: techmac10.tech.mtu.edu Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 32 In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) wrote: > > Hello > I'm considering modernizing some old wiring in my home, and > I need a little advice on outlet wiring. Several outlets > are the old 'two prong' type, without the ground. Naturally, > the wire feeding these outlets is 12/2, WITHOUT the ground > wire. I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the > 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground > wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire. > > SO.. Here's my question. It seems to me that I'd have the > same electrical circuit if I hooked the neutral[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Da jumper from the neutral > over to the ground screw on new 'three prong' grounding outlets. > What's wrong with my reasoning here? First, it will not pass a National Electrical code inspection. Secondly, The neutral wire is current carrying and the ground wire shouldn't be, or only during a fault condition. The reason the neutral and ground are tied together in the panel is the tranformer on the power pole has a grounded center-tap secondary, with the grounded center-tap the neutral. This gives 120v to neutral(ground) from each side of the transformer and 240v across the transformer. So in effect the neutral and ground should be at the same potential. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark E. Kilpela email mkilpela@mtu.edu Michigan Technological University School of Technology ------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: thornley@milli.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) Subject: Re: Minnesota Pitching Nntp-Posting-Host: milli.cs.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. Lines: 37 In article snelson3@uwsuper.edu (SCOTT R. NELSON) writes: >The rotation has changed due to a ""strange"" injury to Scott Erickson. He >developed a twinge in the stomach area and has been taken out of the >rotation. New rotation (to the best of my mind's knowledge) is: >Kevin Tapani, Jim Deshais, Pat Mahomes, Willie Banks. > Add Mike Trombley in there somewhere, since they need five people. Mark Guthrie will remain in the bullpen as the long lefty. >As to SS and 3B: >Short will be played by Scott Leius who played short for much of his career >before the Twins. At third Mike Pagliarulo and Jeff Reboulet will platoon. > Pags and Terry Jorgenson will platoon at third, with Reboulet as the backup infielder. Pags looked pretty miserable yesterday for a guy who lead the league in DA in 1991, muffing what should be routine grounders (heck, muffing a grounder *I* would probably have gotten to). Jorgenson did nothing exceptional that I noticed. Leius missed a ball I *think* Gagne would have reached; we will certainly miss Gag's glove this season. >Winfield has struggled during preseason. Sunday against the Colorado >Rockies he went 2 for 3 with 2 RBIs and scored once. > He looked pretty good there. Contrary to what the mediots have been saying, he looked reasonable at first. He isn't mid-80s Hrbek, but then neither is the Pretty Big Guy himself any more (note: I'm used to seeing the Twins 1B looking kinda big on the field, but not that big!). If he hits vaguely like last year, he's a perfectly good first baseman. Note: Much of this posting is from personal observation yesterday in a game where the regulars were mostly pulled after several innings. Winfield may have big holes in his defensive game that didn't show up (he didn't have to pick any bad throws, for example), but I'll take what I saw so far. David Thornley ""Have tickets, will travel to Dome"" ";-1;0 "From: bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) Subject: Clinton's views on Jerusalem Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Lines: 15 I recently read that during Bill Clinton's campaign, he stated that if elected he would immediately recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. According to the article, Mr. Clinton reaffirmed this after winning the presidency. However, during recent talks with President Mubarak, Secretary of State Christopher stated that ""the status of Jerusalem will be a final matter of discussion between the parties"". Now I don't want to start a big discussion over the status of Jerusalem. All I want to know is if anyone can authenticate Mr. Clinton's statements with dates, places, etc. Thank you. Ben. ";-1;0 "From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) Subject: Re: Unconventional peace proposal Nntp-Posting-Host: dzoo.ch.apollo.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 33 In article <1483500348@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: > >From: Center for Policy Research >Subject: Unconventional peace proposal > > >A unconventional proposal for peace in the Middle-East. >---------------------------------------------------------- by > Elias Davidsson > >Having stated my assumptions, I will now state my proposal. > >1. A Fund should be established which would disburse grants >for each child born to a couple where one partner is Israeli-Jew >and the other Palestinian-Arab. ... >5. The emergence of a considerable number of 'mixed' >marriages in Israel/Palestine, all of whom would have relatives on >'both sides' of the divide, would make the conflict lose its >ethnical and unsoluble core and strengthen the emergence of a >truly civil society. The existence of a strong 'mixed' stock of >people would also help the integration of Israeli society into the Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf. >Elias Davidsson Post Box 1760 121 Reykjavik, ICELAND -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ";-1;0 "From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Wings will win Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 42 In article ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: >golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: > >>Bryan Murray has done very little as GM...Yzerman, Fedorov, Cheveldae, >>Chaisson, the whole Russian strategy was a product of the previous >>GM...Murray has made a couple of decent trades...that's about it... >>that would hardly rank him as the best GM. > >There are many teams in the NHL who have taken a liking to Russian players. >The ""whole Russian strategy"" is not specific to Detroit or to Devellano, >who was GM before Murray. What the previous GM also did was to trade >away several players who have gone on to do well with other teams, most >notably (in my memory) Murray Craven, who had a few very good years with >Philly after leaving here. Also, it's not the volume of trades that will >necessarily improve a team, but the quality of them. Trading Adam Oates >for Bernie Federko was just plain stupid, even if Federko used to be a >great player at one time. Most of Murray's trades have worked significantly >to the Wings' advantage, with those that didn't being soured mainly by >injury to the players involved (such as Troy Crowder, who suffered back >problems from which he never really recovered). > Devallano went earlier and more extensively to the Russian strategy than anyone else...and was the first GM to ""waste"" high draft choices on young Russians...Devallano would still be GM but he succombed to Demers pleading to make the Oates-Federko et al trade...which is the deal that sealed his fate. Murray has made some decent trades...no doubt...but these are more due to the stupidity or cheapness of other teams than brilliance on his part...Washington was too cheap to pay Ciccarelli so they essentially gave him away...and Carson was really a big anchor to the team, and he was able to sucker a rookie GM to give him Paul Coffey for deadweight. If Detroit still fails this year because he was one defenseman short... then he will have wasted an opportunity because Manson was available, and he was unable to pull the trigger. It is his judgement that he has enough with what he's got...Yzerman doesn't have that many more years in his prime. Gerald ";-1;0 "From: mathew Subject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Introduction to Atheism Summary: Please read this file before posting to alt.atheism Keywords: FAQ, atheism Expires: Thu, 6 May 1993 12:22:45 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Supersedes: <19930308134439@mantis.co.uk> Lines: 646 Archive-name: atheism/introduction Alt-atheism-archive-name: introduction Last-modified: 5 April 1993 Version: 1.2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- An Introduction to Atheism by mathew This article attempts to provide a general introduction to atheism. Whilst I have tried to be as neutral as possible regarding contentious issues, you should always remember that this document represents only one viewpoint. I would encourage you to read widely and draw your own conclusions; some relevant books are listed in a companion article. To provide a sense of cohesion and progression, I have presented this article as an imaginary conversation between an atheist and a theist. All the questions asked by the imaginary theist are questions which have been cropped up repeatedly on alt.atheism since the newsgroup was created. Some other frequently asked questions are answered in a companion article. Please note that this article is arguably slanted towards answering questions posed from a Christian viewpoint. This is because the FAQ files reflect questions which have actually been asked, and it is predominantly Christians who proselytize on alt.atheism. So when I talk of religion, I am talking primarily about religions such as Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which involve some sort of superhuman divine being. Much of the discussion will apply to other religions, but some of it may not. ""What is atheism?"" Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of God. Some atheists go further, and believe that God does not exist. The former is often referred to as the ""weak atheist"" position, and the latter as ""strong atheism"". It is important to note the difference between these two positions. ""Weak atheism"" is simple scepticism; disbelief in the existence of God. ""Strong atheism"" is a positive belief that God does not exist. Please do not fall into the trap of assuming that all atheists are ""strong atheists"". Some atheists believe in the non-existence of all Gods; others limit their atheism to specific Gods, such as the Christian God, rather than making flat-out denials. ""But isn't disbelieving in God the same thing as believing he doesn't exist?"" Definitely not. Disbelief in a proposition means that one does not believe it to be true. Not believing that something is true is not equivalent to believing that it is false; one may simply have no idea whether it is true or not. Which brings us to agnosticism. ""What is agnosticism then?"" The term 'agnosticism' was coined by Professor Huxley at a meeting of the Metaphysical Society in 1876. He defined an agnostic as someone who disclaimed (""strong"") atheism and believed that the ultimate origin of things must be some cause unknown and unknowable. Thus an agnostic is someone who believes that we do not and cannot know for sure whether God exists. Words are slippery things, and language is inexact. Beware of assuming that you can work out someone's philosophical point of view simply from the fact that she calls herself an atheist or an agnostic. For example, many people use agnosticism to mean ""weak atheism"", and use the word ""atheism"" only when referring to ""strong atheism"". Beware also that because the word ""atheist"" has so many shades of meaning, it is very difficult to generalize about atheists. About all you can say for sure is that atheists don't believe in God. For example, it certainly isn't the case that all atheists believe that science is the best way to find out about the universe. ""So what is the philosophical justification or basis for atheism?"" There are many philosophical justifications for atheism. To find out why a particular person chooses to be an atheist, it's best to ask her. Many atheists feel that the idea of God as presented by the major religions is essentially self-contradictory, and that it is logically impossible that such a God could exist. Others are atheists through scepticism, because they see no evidence that God exists. ""But isn't it impossible to prove the non-existence of something?"" There are many counter-examples to such a statement. For example, it is quite simple to prove that there does not exist a prime number larger than all other prime numbers. Of course, this deals with well-defined objects obeying well-defined rules. Whether Gods or universes are similarly well-defined is a matter for debate. However, assuming for the moment that the existence of a God is not provably impossible, there are still subtle reasons for assuming the non-existence of God. If we assume that something does not exist, it is always possible to show that this assumption is invalid by finding a single counter-example. If on the other hand we assume that something does exist, and if the thing in question is not provably impossible, showing that the assumption is invalid may require an exhaustive search of all possible places where such a thing might be found, to show that it isn't there. Such an exhaustive search is often impractical or impossible. There is no such problem with largest primes, because we can prove that they don't exist. Therefore it is generally accepted that we must assume things do not exist unless we have evidence that they do. Even theists follow this rule most of the time; they don't believe in unicorns, even though they can't conclusively prove that no unicorns exist anywhere. To assume that God exists is to make an assumption which probably cannot be tested. We cannot make an exhaustive search of everywhere God might be to prove that he doesn't exist anywhere. So the sceptical atheist assumes by default that God does not exist, since that is an assumption we can test. Those who profess strong atheism usually do not claim that no sort of God exists; instead, they generally restrict their claims so as to cover varieties of God described by followers of various religions. So whilst it may be impossible to prove conclusively that no God exists, it may be possible to prove that (say) a God as described by a particular religious book does not exist. It may even be possible to prove that no God described by any present-day religion exists. In practice, believing that no God described by any religion exists is very close to believing that no God exists. However, it is sufficiently different that counter-arguments based on the impossibility of disproving every kind of God are not really applicable. ""But what if God is essentially non-detectable?"" If God interacts with our universe in any way, the effects of his interaction must be measurable. Hence his interaction with our universe must be detectable. If God is essentially non-detectable, it must therefore be the case that he does not interact with our universe in any way. Many atheists would argue that if God does not interact with our universe at all, it is of no importance whether he exists or not. If the Bible is to be believed, God was easily detectable by the Israelites. Surely he should still be detectable today? Note that I am not demanding that God interact in a scientifically verifiable, physical way. It must surely be possible to perceive some effect caused by his presence, though; otherwise, how can I distinguish him from all the other things that don't exist? ""OK, you may think there's a philosophical justification for atheism, but isn't it still a religious belief?"" One of the most common pastimes in philosophical discussion is ""the redefinition game"". The cynical view of this game is as follows: Person A begins by making a contentious statement. When person B points out that it can't be true, person A gradually re-defines the words he used in the statement until he arrives at something person B is prepared to accept. He then records the statement, along with the fact that person B has agreed to it, and continues. Eventually A uses the statement as an ""agreed fact"", but uses his original definitions of all the words in it rather than the obscure redefinitions originally needed to get B to agree to it. Rather than be seen to be apparently inconsistent, B will tend to play along. The point of this digression is that the answer to the question ""Isn't atheism a religious belief?"" depends crucially upon what is meant by ""religious"". ""Religion"" is generally characterized by belief in a superhuman controlling power -- especially in some sort of God -- and by faith and worship. [ It's worth pointing out in passing that some varieties of Buddhism are not ""religion"" according to such a definition. ] Atheism is certainly not a belief in any sort of superhuman power, nor is it categorized by worship in any meaningful sense. Widening the definition of ""religious"" to encompass atheism tends to result in many other aspects of human behaviour suddenly becoming classed as ""religious"" as well -- such as science, politics, and watching TV. ""OK, so it's not a religion. But surely belief in atheism (or science) is still just an act of faith, like religion is?"" Firstly, it's not entirely clear that sceptical atheism is something one actually believes in. Secondly, it is necessary to adopt a number of core beliefs or assumptions to make some sort of sense out of the sensory data we experience. Most atheists try to adopt as few core beliefs as possible; and even those are subject to questioning if experience throws them into doubt. Science has a number of core assumptions. For example, it is generally assumed that the laws of physics are the same for all observers. These are the sort of core assumptions atheists make. If such basic ideas are called ""acts of faith"", then almost everything we know must be said to be based on acts of faith, and the term loses its meaning. Faith is more often used to refer to complete, certain belief in something. According to such a definition, atheism and science are certainly not acts of faith. Of course, individual atheists or scientists can be as dogmatic as religious followers when claiming that something is ""certain"". This is not a general tendency, however; there are many atheists who would be reluctant to state with certainty that the universe exists. Faith is also used to refer to belief without supporting evidence or proof. Sceptical atheism certainly doesn't fit that definition, as sceptical atheism has no beliefs. Strong atheism is closer, but still doesn't really match, as even the most dogmatic atheist will tend to refer to experimental data (or the lack of it) when asserting that God does not exist. ""If atheism is not religious, surely it's anti-religious?"" It is an unfortunate human tendency to label everyone as either ""for"" or ""against"", ""friend"" or ""enemy"". The truth is not so clear-cut. Atheism is the position that runs logically counter to theism; in that sense, it can be said to be ""anti-religion"". However, when religious believers speak of atheists being ""anti-religious"" they usually mean that the atheists have some sort of antipathy or hatred towards theists. This categorization of atheists as hostile towards religion is quite unfair. Atheist attitudes towards theists in fact cover a broad spectrum. Most atheists take a ""live and let live"" attitude. Unless questioned, they will not usually mention their atheism, except perhaps to close friends. Of course, this may be in part because atheism is not ""socially acceptable"" in many countries. A few atheists are quite anti-religious, and may even try to ""convert"" others when possible. Historically, such anti-religious atheists have made little impact on society outside the Eastern Bloc countries. (To digress slightly: the Soviet Union was originally dedicated to separation of church and state, just like the USA. Soviet citizens were legally free to worship as they wished. The institution of ""state atheism"" came about when Stalin took control of the Soviet Union and tried to destroy the churches in order to gain complete power over the population.) Some atheists are quite vocal about their beliefs, but only where they see religion encroaching on matters which are not its business -- for example, the government of the USA. Such individuals are usually concerned that church and state should remain separate. ""But if you don't allow religion to have a say in the running of the state, surely that's the same as state atheism?"" The principle of the separation of church and state is that the state shall not legislate concerning matters of religious belief. In particular, it means not only that the state cannot promote one religion at the expense of another, but also that it cannot promote any belief which is religious in nature. Religions can still have a say in discussion of purely secular matters. For example, religious believers have historically been responsible for encouraging many political reforms. Even today, many organizations campaigning for an increase in spending on foreign aid are founded as religious campaigns. So long as they campaign concerning secular matters, and so long as they do not discriminate on religious grounds, most atheists are quite happy to see them have their say. ""What about prayer in schools? If there's no God, why do you care if people pray?"" Because people who do pray are voters and lawmakers, and tend to do things that those who don't pray can't just ignore. Also, Christian prayer in schools is intimidating to non-Christians, even if they are told that they need not join in. The diversity of religious and non-religious belief means that it is impossible to formulate a meaningful prayer that will be acceptable to all those present at any public event. Also, non-prayers tend to have friends and family who pray. It is reasonable to care about friends and family wasting their time, even without other motives. ""You mentioned Christians who campaign for increased foreign aid. What about atheists? Why aren't there any atheist charities or hospitals? Don't atheists object to the religious charities?"" There are many charities without religious purpose that atheists can contribute to. Some atheists contribute to religious charities as well, for the sake of the practical good they do. Some atheists even do voluntary work for charities founded on a theistic basis. Most atheists seem to feel that atheism isn't worth shouting about in connection with charity. To them, atheism is just a simple, obvious everyday matter, and so is charity. Many feel that it's somewhat cheap, not to say self-righteous, to use simple charity as an excuse to plug a particular set of religious beliefs. To ""weak"" atheists, building a hospital to say ""I do not believe in God"" is a rather strange idea; it's rather like holding a party to say ""Today is not my birthday"". Why the fuss? Atheism is rarely evangelical. ""You said atheism isn't anti-religious. But is it perhaps a backlash against one's upbringing, a way of rebelling?"" Perhaps it is, for some. But many people have parents who do not attempt to force any religious (or atheist) ideas upon them, and many of those people choose to call themselves atheists. It's also doubtless the case that some religious people chose religion as a backlash against an atheist upbringing, as a way of being different. On the other hand, many people choose religion as a way of conforming to the expectations of others. On the whole, we can't conclude much about whether atheism or religion are backlash or conformism; although in general, people have a tendency to go along with a group rather than act or think independently. ""How do atheists differ from religious people?"" They don't believe in God. That's all there is to it. Atheists may listen to heavy metal -- backwards, even -- or they may prefer a Verdi Requiem, even if they know the words. They may wear Hawaiian shirts, they may dress all in black, they may even wear orange robes. (Many Buddhists lack a belief in any sort of God.) Some atheists even carry a copy of the Bible around -- for arguing against, of course! Whoever you are, the chances are you have met several atheists without realising it. Atheists are usually unexceptional in behaviour and appearance. ""Unexceptional? But aren't atheists less moral than religious people?"" That depends. If you define morality as obedience to God, then of course atheists are less moral as they don't obey any God. But usually when one talks of morality, one talks of what is acceptable (""right"") and unacceptable (""wrong"") behaviour within society. Humans are social animals, and to be maximally successful they must co-operate with each other. This is a good enough reason to discourage most atheists from ""anti-social"" or ""immoral"" behaviour, purely for the purposes of self-preservation. Many atheists behave in a ""moral"" or ""compassionate"" way simply because they feel a natural tendency to empathize with other humans. So why do they care what happens to others? They don't know, they simply are that way. Naturally, there are some people who behave ""immorally"" and try to use atheism to justify their actions. However, there are equally many people who behave ""immorally"" and then try to use religious beliefs to justify their actions. For example: ""Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners... But for that very reason, I was shown mercy so that in me... Jesus Christ might display His unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life. Now to the king eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever."" The above quote is from a statement made to the court on February 17th 1992 by Jeffrey Dahmer, the notorious cannibal serial killer of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It seems that for every atheist mass-murderer, there is a religious mass-murderer. But what of more trivial morality? A survey conducted by the Roper Organization found that behavior deteriorated after ""born again"" experiences. While only 4% of respondents said they had driven intoxicated before being ""born again,"" 12% had done so after conversion. Similarly, 5% had used illegal drugs before conversion, 9% after. Two percent admitted to engaging in illicit sex before salvation; 5% after. [""Freethought Today"", September 1991, p. 12.] So it seems that at best, religion does not have a monopoly on moral behaviour. ""Is there such a thing as atheist morality?"" If you mean ""Is there such a thing as morality for atheists?"", then the answer is yes, as explained above. Many atheists have ideas about morality which are at least as strong as those held by religious people. If you mean ""Does atheism have a characteristic moral code?"", then the answer is no. Atheism by itself does not imply anything much about how a person will behave. Most atheists follow many of the same ""moral rules"" as theists, but for different reasons. Atheists view morality as something created by humans, according to the way humans feel the world 'ought' to work, rather than seeing it as a set of rules decreed by a supernatural being. ""Then aren't atheists just theists who are denying God?"" A study by the Freedom From Religion Foundation found that over 90% of the atheists who responded became atheists because religion did not work for them. They had found that religious beliefs were fundamentally incompatible with what they observed around them. Atheists are not unbelievers through ignorance or denial; they are unbelievers through choice. The vast majority of them have spent time studying one or more religions, sometimes in very great depth. They have made a careful and considered decision to reject religious beliefs. This decision may, of course, be an inevitable consequence of that individual's personality. For a naturally sceptical person, the choice of atheism is often the only one that makes sense, and hence the only choice that person can honestly make. ""But don't atheists want to believe in God?"" Atheists live their lives as though there is nobody watching over them. Many of them have no desire to be watched over, no matter how good-natured the ""Big Brother"" figure might be. Some atheists would like to be able to believe in God -- but so what? Should one believe things merely because one wants them to be true? The risks of such an approach should be obvious. Atheists often decide that wanting to believe something is not enough; there must be evidence for the belief. ""But of course atheists see no evidence for the existence of God -- they are unwilling in their souls to see!"" Many, if not most atheists were previously religious. As has been explained above, the vast majority have seriously considered the possibility that God exists. Many atheists have spent time in prayer trying to reach God. Of course, it is true that some atheists lack an open mind; but assuming that all atheists are biased and insincere is offensive and closed-minded. Comments such as ""Of course God is there, you just aren't looking properly"" are likely to be viewed as patronizing. Certainly, if you wish to engage in philosophical debate with atheists it is vital that you give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are being sincere if they say that they have searched for God. If you are not willing to believe that they are basically telling the truth, debate is futile. ""Isn't the whole of life completely pointless to an atheist?"" Many atheists live a purposeful life. They decide what they think gives meaning to life, and they pursue those goals. They try to make their lives count, not by wishing for eternal life, but by having an influence on other people who will live on. For example, an atheist may dedicate his life to political reform, in the hope of leaving his mark on history. It is a natural human tendency to look for ""meaning"" or ""purpose"" in random events. However, it is by no means obvious that ""life"" is the sort of thing that has a ""meaning"". To put it another way, not everything which looks like a question is actually a sensible thing to ask. Some atheists believe that asking ""What is the meaning of life?"" is as silly as asking ""What is the meaning of a cup of coffee?"". They believe that life has no purpose or meaning, it just is. ""So how do atheists find comfort in time of danger?"" There are many ways of obtaining comfort; from family, friends, or even pets. Or on a less spiritual level, from food or drink or TV. That may sound rather an empty and vulnerable way to face danger, but so what? Should individuals believe in things because they are comforting, or should they face reality no matter how harsh it might be? In the end, it's a decision for the individual concerned. Most atheists are unable to believe something they would not otherwise believe merely because it makes them feel comfortable. They put truth before comfort, and consider that if searching for truth sometimes makes them feel unhappy, that's just hard luck. ""Don't atheists worry that they might suddenly be shown to be wrong?"" The short answer is ""No, do you?"" Many atheists have been atheists for years. They have encountered many arguments and much supposed evidence for the existence of God, but they have found all of it to be invalid or inconclusive. Thousands of years of religious belief haven't resulted in any good proof of the existence of God. Atheists therefore tend to feel that they are unlikely to be proved wrong in the immediate future, and they stop worrying about it. ""So why should theists question their beliefs? Don't the same arguments apply?"" No, because the beliefs being questioned are not similar. Weak atheism is the sceptical ""default position"" to take; it asserts nothing. Strong atheism is a negative belief. Theism is a very strong positive belief. Atheists sometimes also argue that theists should question their beliefs because of the very real harm they can cause -- not just to the believers, but to everyone else. ""What sort of harm?"" Religion represents a huge financial and work burden on mankind. It's not just a matter of religious believers wasting their money on church buildings; think of all the time and effort spent building churches, praying, and so on. Imagine how that effort could be better spent. Many theists believe in miracle healing. There have been plenty of instances of ill people being ""healed"" by a priest, ceasing to take the medicines prescribed to them by doctors, and dying as a result. Some theists have died because they have refused blood transfusions on religious grounds. It is arguable that the Catholic Church's opposition to birth control -- and condoms in particular -- is increasing the problem of overpopulation in many third-world countries and contributing to the spread of AIDS world-wide. Religious believers have been known to murder their children rather than allow their children to become atheists or marry someone of a different religion. ""Those weren't REAL believers. They just claimed to be believers as some sort of excuse."" What makes a real believer? There are so many One True Religions it's hard to tell. Look at Christianity: there are many competing groups, all convinced that they are the only true Christians. Sometimes they even fight and kill each other. How is an atheist supposed to decide who's a REAL Christian and who isn't, when even the major Christian churches like the Catholic Church and the Church of England can't decide amongst themselves? In the end, most atheists take a pragmatic view, and decide that anyone who calls himself a Christian, and uses Christian belief or dogma to justify his actions, should be considered a Christian. Maybe some of those Christians are just perverting Christian teaching for their own ends -- but surely if the Bible can be so readily used to support un-Christian acts it can't be much of a moral code? If the Bible is the word of God, why couldn't he have made it less easy to misinterpret? And how do you know that your beliefs aren't a perversion of what your God intended? If there is no single unambiguous interpretation of the Bible, then why should an atheist take one interpretation over another just on your say-so? Sorry, but if someone claims that he believes in Jesus and that he murdered others because Jesus and the Bible told him to do so, we must call him a Christian. ""Obviously those extreme sorts of beliefs should be questioned. But since nobody has ever proved that God does not exist, it must be very unlikely that more basic religious beliefs, shared by all faiths, are nonsense."" That does not hold, because as was pointed out at the start of this dialogue, positive assertions concerning the existence of entities are inherently much harder to disprove than negative ones. Nobody has ever proved that unicorns don't exist, but that doesn't make it unlikely that they are myths. It is therefore much more valid to hold a negative assertion by default than it is to hold a positive assertion by default. Of course, ""weak"" atheists would argue that asserting nothing is better still. ""Well, if atheism's so great, why are there so many theists?"" Unfortunately, the popularity of a belief has little to do with how ""correct"" it is, or whether it ""works""; consider how many people believe in astrology, graphology, and other pseudo-sciences. Many atheists feel that it is simply a human weakness to want to believe in gods. Certainly in many primitive human societies, religion allows the people to deal with phenomena that they do not adequately understand. Of course, there's more to religion than that. In the industrialized world, we find people believing in religious explanations of phenomena even when there are perfectly adequate natural explanations. Religion may have started as a means of attempting to explain the world, but nowadays it serves other purposes as well. ""But so many cultures have developed religions. Surely that must say something?"" Not really. Most religions are only superficially similar; for example, it's worth remembering that religions such as Buddhism and Taoism lack any sort of concept of God in the Christian sense. Of course, most religions are quick to denounce competing religions, so it's rather odd to use one religion to try and justify another. ""What about all the famous scientists and philosophers who have concluded that God exists?"" For every scientist or philosopher who believes in a god, there is one who does not. Besides, as has already been pointed out, the truth of a belief is not determined by how many people believe it. Also, it is important to realize that atheists do not view famous scientists or philosophers in the same way that theists view their religious leaders. A famous scientist is only human; she may be an expert in some fields, but when she talks about other matters her words carry no special weight. Many respected scientists have made themselves look foolish by speaking on subjects which lie outside their fields of expertise. ""So are you really saying that widespread belief in religion indicates nothing?"" Not entirely. It certainly indicates that the religion in question has properties which have helped it so spread so far. The theory of memetics talks of ""memes"" -- sets of ideas which can propagate themselves between human minds, by analogy with genes. Some atheists view religions as sets of particularly successful parasitic memes, which spread by encouraging their hosts to convert others. Some memes avoid destruction by discouraging believers from questioning doctrine, or by using peer pressure to keep one-time believers from admitting that they were mistaken. Some religious memes even encourage their hosts to destroy hosts controlled by other memes. Of course, in the memetic view there is no particular virtue associated with successful propagation of a meme. Religion is not a good thing because of the number of people who believe it, any more than a disease is a good thing because of the number of people who have caught it. ""Even if religion is not entirely true, at least it puts across important messages. What are the fundamental messages of atheism?"" There are many important ideas atheists promote. The following are just a few of them; don't be surprised to see ideas which are also present in some religions. There is more to moral behaviour than mindlessly following rules. Be especially sceptical of positive claims. If you want your life to have some sort of meaning, it's up to you to find it. Search for what is true, even if it makes you uncomfortable. Make the most of your life, as it's probably the only one you'll have. It's no good relying on some external power to change you; you must change yourself. Just because something's popular doesn't mean it's good. If you must assume something, assume something it's easy to test. Don't believe things just because you want them to be true. and finally (and most importantly): All beliefs should be open to question. Thanks for taking the time to read this article. mathew -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQCVAgUBK8AjRXzXN+VrOblFAQFSbwP+MHePY4g7ge8Mo5wpsivX+kHYYxMErFAO 7ltVtMVTu66Nz6sBbPw9QkbjArbY/S2sZ9NF5htdii0R6SsEyPl0R6/9bV9okE/q nihqnzXE8pGvLt7tlez4EoeHZjXLEFrdEyPVayT54yQqGb4HARbOEHDcrTe2atmP q0Z4hSSPpAU= =q2V5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- For information about PGP 2.2, send mail to pgpinfo@mantis.co.uk. ÿ ";9;1 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Neurasthenia Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 15 In article <1993Apr21.174553.812@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: >responds well, if you're not otherwise immunocompromised. Noring's >anal-retentive idee fixe on having a fungal infection in his sinuses >is not even in the same category here, nor are these walking neurasthenics >who are convinced they have ""candida"" from reading a quack book. Speaking of which, has anyone else been impressed with how much the descriptions of neurasthenia published a century ago sound like CFS? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: CCMB Subject: What DMA's are my system using? Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Hello, I am having a small problem with my sound blaster pro and a game. Is there a utility out there that would tell me what DMA's my system is using? Thanks, Mark Brown ";-1;0 "From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Exploding TV! Organization: Megatest Corporation Distribution: usa Lines: 39 In article <1qk4hj$qos@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> prasad@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Prasad Ramakrishna) writes: >I had a GE Emerson 13"" color TV for about 3 years and one fine day, >while we were watching something (I doubt if the program was the cause), >we heard a mild explosion. Our screen went blank but there was sound, >so we thought, 'oh we have special effects on the program'. But soon >the sound stopped and smoke started to appear at the back of the TV. >The brilliant EEs we are, we unplugged the TV and called customer service >only to be thrown around by please hold, I will transfer u to blah blah.. > Finally we abandoned the idea of trying to fix the TV and got a new one >(we wanted a bigger one too!). > After all the story, what I wanted to know is: Is my problem an isolated >incident or a common one? (I recall reading about Russian TVs exploding, but >not here, in the US). Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke? > I still have the left over TV set, I might dig into it this summer. Any >idea where I can get parts for these things? (probably will cost more than TV). > Heh, heh, heh, heh....I laugh because I have the same damn TV, and it did the same thing! Actually it is a Goldstar, but it's essentially the same TV and electronics--just a different face plate and name. #1. Fortunately, TV tubes don't explode. I'd think the TV mfrs want to make this possibility remote as possible. If at all, they'll *implode* and the glass that blows out would be the result of the glass boucing off the back of the tube due to the implosion. In any case, don't kick it around! :-) #2 I fixed the TV after getting a hold of some schematics. It turned out to be a blown 2W resistor feeding the flyback transformer. I guess the original resistor was a bit too small to dissipate the heat it created, burning itself out. I checked to make sure the flyback wasn't shorted or anything first! Oh, luckily, I had a resistor handy lying around that had just the right value for what I needed. I can't see it being more than 50 cents!. Well, needless to say, the TV still works today. So go get a set of schematics and have some fun...just don't get shocked poking around the flyback. ";-1;0 "From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) Subject: Re: the call to space (was Re: Clueless Szaboisms ) Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide Lines: 34 In article <1pfiuh$64e@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >If the japanese are really going for Nukes, why not go with better >technology then we have. AS opposed to BWR/PWRs have they really >considered some of the 3rd generation Inherently safe designs. The Japanese are still on the learning curve as far as nuclear power goes. This means that unlike the Germans (who do great things all by themselves) the Japanese tie up with foreign companies. The major one is Mitsubishi (who else) who have a sharing agreement with GE I think. No chance of a new design. >Sodium has lots of chemical problems but it really solves design >difficulties. Or the inherently safe types. Sodium has *lots* of chemical problems. Like it eats stainless steel. Very slowly but it gets there in the end. Not what I call a desired property. As for design difficulties, what does sodium do there? It is a bitch and it is only its chemical properties (flwed though they are) that means it gets used. Two loops? That's not a design problem? Isolation from air and water? That doesn't cause design problems? In comparison BWR's a dream rides! >PWR's work real good, but they need lots of steel, and they are highly >complex systems. Simplicity is a virtue. Don't get none of that in a Liquid Sodium Breeder! More steel, more complexity. Joseph Askew -- Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades, jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief. Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere, Actually, I rather like Brenda Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on. ";-1;0 "From: rayssd!esther@uunet.uu.net (Esther A. Paris) Subject: harrassed at work, could use some prayers Reply-To: esther@demand.ed.ray.com Organization: Raytheon Equipment Division, Marlboro, MA Lines: 110 My news feed is broken and I haven't received any new news in 243 hours (more than 10 days). So, if you reply to this, please send private email to the address esther@demand.ed.ray.com -- I have set the Reply-To line to have that address but I don't know if it will work. [It depends upon the software, but generally I wouldn't expect reply-to to cause an email cc to be sent in addition to a posting. You'll probably need to do something specific, which will vary depending upon your news software. --clh] At any rate, I need some support. (Much thanks to Jayne K who is already supporting me with kind words and prayers!) I've been working at this company for eight years in various engineering jobs. I'm female. Yesterday I counted and realized that on seven different occasions I've been sexually harrassed at this company. Seven times. Eight years. Yesterday was the most recent one; someone left an X-rated photo of a nude woman in my desk drawer. I'm really upset by this. I suppose it could have been worse -- it could have been a man having sex with a sheep or something. There was no note. I do not know if it was: - someone's idea of an innocent joke, that went awry - someone's sick idea of flirting - an act of emotional terrorism (that worked!) I dreaded coming back to work today. What if my boss comes in to ask me some kind of question, I don't know the answer so I take a military specification down off from my shelf to look up the answer, and out falls a picture of a man having sex with a sheep? I generally have a Bible on my desk for occasional inspiration; what if I open it up to Corinthians and find a picture a la the North American Man Boy Love Association? I want to throw up just thinking about this stuff. I can lock up my desk, but I can't lock up every book I have in the office. I can't trust that someone won't shove something into my briefcase or my coat pocket when I'm not looking so that I go home to find such a picture, or a threat, or a raunchy note about what someone wants to do to my body. To make it worse, the entire department went out to lunch yesterday to treat our marvelous secretary to lunch. The appointed hour for leaving was 11:30. I was working in another building but wanted to go to the lunch. So I returned at 11:25, only to find that ever single person had already left for lunch. They left at 11:15 or so. No one could be bothered to call me at the other building, even though my number was posted. So, I came back to a department that looked like a neutron bomb had gone off and I was the sole survivor. This, despite the fact that everyone knew how bad I felt about this naked woman being left in my desk drawer. I need some prayers --- I can't stop crying. I am so deeply wounded that it's ridiculous. I feel like I'm some kind of sub-human piece of garbage for people to reduce me and my sisters to simply sex organs and the sex act. I feel like I'm a sub-human piece of garbage that's not worthy of a simple phone call saying ""We're leaving for Mary's lunch a little early so that Bob can get back for a big 1:00 meeting..."" Please pray that my resentments will either go away, or be miraculously turned into something positive. Please pray that whoever is torturing me so will stop, and find some healing for him- or herself. Please pray for my being healed from this latest wound (which falls on top of a whole slew of other wounds...). Please pray that I can find a new job in a place where the corporate culture does its best to prevent such harrassment from happening in the first place, and swiftly acts appropriately when something occurs despite its best precautions. (This company, in my opinion, has pretty words about how sexual harrassment isn't tolerated but when you get right down to it, how is it that one female engineer can be touched inappropriately, left obsene or threatening notes, left obscene pictures, spoken to lewdly, etc, seven times in eight years in the same place? Pretty words from the company do me no good when I'm terrified or healing from the latest assault.) And please pray that I don't turn into an automaton because of this. That's my bad habit: ""ignore it and it will go away"", ""you're not worth anyone's time so don't go talking to anyone about this"", ""you're right, you are a sub-human piece of garbage and deserve to be treated this way"", ""you are just an object"", ""you prostitute your mind to this company so why can't others expect you to prostitute your body there as well?"", ""what makes you think women aren't just possessions, and nothing more than sex organs and their ability to perform the sex act?"" This is the kind of thinking that can catapault one into a major depressive episode; please pray that these thoughts don't come into my head and stay there, triggering depression. Please pray that this latest trauma doesn't come between me and God. In a way, a wound like this is an invitation to a deeper connection to God, and it's also a possible trigger for a spiritual crisis that can separate one mentally from God. (I know God doesn't drop me from his loving hand, but it's awfully easy for me to walk to the edge of the hand, look down, think I'm falling and forget that God's still holding on to me.) Although this probably isn't entirely appropriate for this newsgroup, I really can use the kind of loving support you all provide. For this reason I hope good Mr. Moderator allows me this latest indulgence. After all, he's allowed me the thermometer note, and a few other off-the-wall topics. Thanks in advance to everyone for your support and prayers. Peace to you, Esther -- Esther Paris, Raytheon Equipment Div., Marlboro, MA esther@demand.ed.ray.com ""In his esteem, nothing that was large enough to please, was too small for the fingers."" -- John Kitto, ""The Lost Senses"", 1848 ";-1;0 "From: pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Dreams and Degrees (was Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive?) Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 19 higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: ... >Like others involved in sci.space, Mr. Adams shows symptoms of being a >fledgling member of the technoculture, and I think he's soaking it up >fast. I was a young guy with dreams once, and they led me to get a >technical education to follow them up. Too bad I wound up in an >assembly-line job stamping out identical neutrinos day after day... >(-: How can you tell they're identical? You got one of them ""Star Drek: The Next Syndication"" neutrino scanners? -- Phil Fraering |""Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison."" Repo Man ";-1;0 "From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. Lines: 41 In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >Getting the court order to reveal the key *also* makes decipherable >all *past* conversations (which may be on tape, or disk, or whatver), >as I understand the proposal. I could be wrong, but I've seen no >mention of ""session keys"" being the escrowed entities. True in theory. In practice? The technology of cellular phones will probably be spread spectrum and quite difficult to record the crypttext without the key. If the frequency path depends on they key, as I understand it to, it *could* be made effectively impossible to record. Once it hits land you can record it if you have telco access. The telco isn't supposed to give that without a warrant. That's the rule today. But even so, the evidence would not be admissible, I think, unless the judge so ordered. I think that even interception of the crypttext without a warrant would be illegal. Cops can't record today's plain cellular calls and then ask a judge, ""Hey, can we have permission to listen to those tapes?"" can they? >worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" >to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) Yes, that is a major concern, but I think that they think they can win just by having 99.5% of the USA use this system. They don't even have to care about the cautious .5% that's left. They don't catch the really smart crooks anyway. John Gotti, who would have to be retarded not to realize he was likely to be wiretapped, glibly chatted away on his tapped phone about murder plans. That's why he's in jail now. Hard to believe, but true. This scheme can succeed without laws forbidding more, which people would fight a lot harder. They like this enough that they are dropping the so called ""Digital Telephony"" proposal, according to rumours. However the meaning of that is complex, since they still want to get at the crypttext on telco systems, and that requires a bit of work. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 ";-1;0 "From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: In another part of this thread, you've been telling us that the >""goal"" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive. That's right. Humans have gone somewhat beyond this though. Perhaps our goal is one of self-actualization. >But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long >term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some >other species, either terrestrial or alien. Now you are letting an omniscient being give information to me. This was not part of the original premise. >Does that make it moral to do so? Which type of morality are you talking about? In a natural sense, it is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't adversely affect your own, I guess). keith ";9;1 "From: maynard@leah.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley) Subject: QuickDraw GX (was Re: When are the rest of the Inside Mac's due?) Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center Lines: 21 >> >>We'll be releasing a whole new suite of QuickDraw GX-related docs. If >>you're going to be at the WWDC next month you'll get a preliminary >version >>of most of this documentation on the CD. We're talking multiple >thousands >>of pages, I'm afraid; GX (comprising graphics, layout and printing) >has >>LOTS of new API calls and other functionality, all of which need >documenting... >> >>Dave Opstad >>GX Line Layout Weenie Does GX take the place of 32 bit QD or add to it? Right now 32 bit is kinda aesthetically a pain in a few places because of hacks upon hacks to maintain compatibility with original QD---I think of things like where you have to cast CGrafPorts to GrafPorts and such. It would be a lot cleaner to ditch this entire mess and start over---do we get that? Maynard ";-1;0 "From: brucek@Ingres.COM (Bruce Kleinman) Subject: Re: When did Dodgers move from NY to LA? Article-I.D.: pony.1993Apr6.195730.20277 Organization: Ingres Corporation, A subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc. Lines: 6 In article <1993Apr5.160030.2328@ncar.ucar.edu> tparker@music.scd.ucar.edu (Tom Parker) writes: >I have a bet with my buddy on when the Dodgers moved from NY to LA. Does >anyone know what year they moved? > The Dodgers' first year in LA was 1958. ";-1;0 "From: gvanvugh@cs.uct.ac.za (Gerhard van Vught) Subject: Problem with libararies (?) Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town Lines: 50 I have been trying to compile some source code for a mpeg animation viewer for X Windows. I got the code from a ftp site. I have modified the Makefile as they instructed, no errors there. What happens is that I get the following message when everything is going to be linked: cc util.o video.o parseblock.o motionvector.o decoders.o fs2.o fs2fast.o fs4.o hybrid.o hybriderr.o 2x2.o gdith.o gray.o mono.o main.o jrevdct.o 24bit.o util32.o ordered.o ordered2.o mb_ordered.o /lib/libX11.so /lib/libXext.so -lm -o mpeg_play Undefined first referenced symbol in file getnetpath /lib/libX11.so t_alloc /lib/libX11.so t_unbind /lib/libX11.so t_open /lib/libX11.so t_rcvdis /lib/libX11.so netdir_free /lib/libX11.so t_error /lib/libX11.so netdir_getbyname /lib/libX11.so getnetconfigent /lib/libX11.so t_look /lib/libX11.so t_errno /lib/libX11.so t_close /lib/libX11.so netdir_getbyaddr /lib/libX11.so t_listen /lib/libX11.so t_rcv /lib/libX11.so setnetpath /lib/libX11.so t_bind /lib/libX11.so t_connect /lib/libX11.so t_accept /lib/libX11.so nc_perror /lib/libX11.so inet_addr /lib/libX11.so ld: mpeg_play: fatal error: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to mpeg_play *** Error code 1 (bu21) make: fatal error. Does anyone know where these missing functions are located? If you do can you help me with it? I posted before to one of the other Unix groups, I tried their suggestions but always get this error. If you have to know: I am using Unix system V. The machines here are 486's. The terminals I want to use are separate and just called X-terminals and they seem dedicated to that. I'm not sure as to what they really are, since it is one of my first times out with this X-windows gidget! That is, first time programming for it, so to speak. I use them alot just for the graphics things. If you can help, mail me soon. Gerard. ";-1;0 "From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing Nntp-Posting-Host: binky Lines: 8 In article , hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes: > >duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each > ^^^^^^ > excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these. edu-breaths with more riceburner than brain... - Roid ";-1;0 "From: bbs.billand@tsoft.net (Bill Anderson) Subject: Handgun Restrictions Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238 Lines: 7 I would like to know what restrictions there are on purchasing handguns (ie waiting periods, background check etc..) in the states of Nevada and Oregon. Thanks. -Bill -- Bill Anderson (bbs.billand@tsoft.net) ";3;1 "From: N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu Subject: Help! Need 3-D graphics code/package for DOS!!! Organization: Texas A&M University Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu Help!! I need code/package/whatever to take 3-D data and turn it into a wireframe surface with hidden lines removed. I'm using a DOS machine, and the code can be in ANSI C or C++, ANSI Fortran or Basic. The data I'm using forms a rectangular grid. Please post your replies to the net so that others may benefit. IMHO, this is a general interest question. Thank you!!!!!! ";1;1 "From: almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM (Alan Monday-WWCS Business Mgt. Group) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 14 Distribution: world Reply-To: almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: packmind.ebay.sun.com Hey!? What happened to the solar sail race that was supposed to be for Columbus+500? In article 29848@news.duc.auburn.edu, snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes: > >I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar > Sails. I understand that the JPL did an extensive study on the subject > back in the late 70's but I am having trouble gathering such information. > >Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ? ";-1;0 "From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) Subject: Re: Stolen AARGHHHH..... Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization Lines: 43 In article jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito) writes: > >In article <1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes: > > Watch out. Often when some scumbag steals the cover, that means > that they were or are looking to steal the bike. In my case, I > had a faded cover stolen off a bmw R100RS that was stashed in an > apartment carport and not visible from the street. They evidently > decided the beemer wasn't worth stealing, but did try the next night to > steal a Honda Hurricane 600 parked in the next apartment building. > A neighbor heard them wheeling it out and called the cops. > > >I know this is just setting myself up, but this is actually one of the >things that is really good about BMW bikes. From all accounts I've >heard practically no one steals BMWs. Probably it is similar for Moto >Guzzis and other relative ""exotics"" since there isn't a large demand >for parts and the bike would be much easier to track down. It seems >that the most stolen bikes are Harleys and 600cc Jap sport bikes. Well, I'd say you're mostly right, but for different reasons. (BTW, as of a couple years ago, the most stolen bikes in Orange County and SF were 750 GSX's and Ninjas). Probably the biggest reason BMWs aren't ripped off is that most people who buy BMWs will only deal with the actual BMW dealer, or mail- order types. Most of these can have their inventory checked fairly easily by law-enforcement types, and their mark-up is usually sufficient to keep them honest about acquiring parts. For Harleys and rice-rockets, you've got 2 different situations. There is a HUGE aftermarket in Harley parts, so a bike can be parted out fairly easily. Ditto the non-sport Japanese bikes, but the prices on the parts for these are not as high, comparatively. For the 'rockets', anytime a bike goes down, the plastic is usually cracked, and is expensive to replace. It's fairly easy, then, for a disreputable shop to take a fairing from a stolen bike, slap it on a bike in for repair, repaint it, and make a tidy profit. The other parts, more traceable, can be used, or discarded if they are too traceable. Mike -- Disclaimer - These opiini^H^H damn! ^H^H ^Q ^[ .... :w :q :wq :wq! ^d ^X ^? exit X Q ^C ^? :quitbye CtrlAltDel ~~q :~q logout save/quit :!QUIT ^[zz ^[ZZZZZZ ^vi man vi ^@ ^L ^[c ^# ^E ^X ^I ^T ? help helpquit ^D ^d !! man help ^C ^c :e! help exit ?Quit ?q CtrlShftDel ""Hey, what does Stop L1A d..."" ";-1;0 "From: gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) Subject: Torre: The worst manager? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 31 Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game, With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers. Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell is he thinking. Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year, what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every team in the league. Furthermore, in Sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate, The replay showed Bucky Dent the third base coach looking down the line and waving lankford home, I can't take this anymore brian, a very distressed cardinal fan. -- Brian Landmann Georgia Institute of Technology Internet:gt7469a@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: kardank@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Kardan Kaveh) Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 8 I haven't been following this thread, so appologies if this has already been mentioned, but how about comp.graphics.3d -- Kaveh Kardan kardank@ERE.UMontreal.CA ";1;1 "From: wcaw@juliet.caltech.edu (Wilisch, Wolf C. A.) Subject: ImageWriter II at 50 Hz Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: juliet.caltech.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Hi! A while back, there was a thread in this group about the use of the IWII in Europe (in countries with 50 Hz AC current). The consensus at the time was that the IWII would not work there. As I will be moving there this summer, I called Apple to make sure and they told me (today) that the IWII (as bought in the U.S.) will definitely run on 50 Hz AC current (as long as a step-down converter is employed if 240 V current is used). The same info, turns out, can be found in the IWII manual (p. 127 in the 1989 version), but I didn't really trust that. Does anyone have any direct experience to the contrary? Just wondering. Chris W. ";-1;0 "From: wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta) Subject: Re: Fall Comdex '93 Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe Organization: Portal Communications Company X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 20 DLS128@psuvm.psu.edu wrote: : Does anyone out there have any info on the up and coming fall comdex '93? I was : asked by one of my peers to get any info that might be available. Or, could : anyone point me in the right direction? Any help would be appreciated. It's in Las Vegas (as always) between November 16th and 20th. For more information contact: The Interface Group 300 First Avenue Needham, MA 02194-2722 Sorry, no phone number available. Consult directory service in Massachusetts for the number (617, 508 or 413). -- Willy -- * Ville V. Walveranta Tel./Fax....: (510) 420-0729 **** ** 96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5 From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729 *** *** Oakland, CA 94611-4838 (FAXes automatically recognized) ** **** USA Email.......: wil@shell.portal.com * ";-1;0 "From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Phillies: A New Ballpark in Future? Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu In a Philadelphia Inquirer a few days ago, it was reported that there were two (2) plans for a new Phillies stadium: the already-mentioned 30th Street Station proposal, and a location near Broad Street and Race Street, I think. I can't remember the exact details, but the stadium would be build practically downtown. There is a small lot that could be used, according to the paper. The 30th street plan has run into some trouble, because Amtrak does not want to reroute some of its lines in order to accomodate the stadium. I don't have an opinion just yet, just letting everyone know that there are really two options being discussed right now. Neither of these plans will be put into effect very soon, however, because nobody wants to pay for it :-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" ";-1;0 "From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: NHL Swedes: Stats, April 5 Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 141 Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se Scoring stats for the Swedish NHL players, April 5: =================================================== Mats Sundin watch: Most points during a season: 131 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1980-81 (49+82) 110 Mats Naslund, Montreal Canadiens 1985-86 (43+67) * 109 Mats Sundin, Quebec Nordiques 1992-93 (43+66) 106 Hakan Loob, Calgary Flames 1987-88 (50+56) 104 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1982-83 (46+58) 99 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1984-85 (37+62) Most goals during a season: 50 Hakan Loob, Calgary Flames 1987-88 49 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1980-81 46 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1982-83 45 Tomas Sandstrom, LA Kings 1990-91 43 Mats Naslund, Montreal Canadiens 1985-86 * 43 Mats Sundin, Quebec Nordiques 1992-93 Most assists during a season: 82 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1980-81 67 Mats Naslund, Montreal Canadiens 1985-86 66 Borje Salming, Toronto Maple Leafs 1976-77 * 66 Mats Sundin, Quebec Nordiques 1992-93 62 Kent Nilsson, Calgary Flames 1984-85 61 Borje Salming, Toronto Maple Leafs 1977-78 61 Thomas Steen, Winnipeg Jets 1988-89 Ulf Samuelsson watch: Most penalty minutes during a season: * 243 Ulf Samuelsson, Pittsburgh Penguins 1992-93 (through 3/25) 211 Ulf Samuelsson, Pittsburgh Penguins 1990-91 206 Ulf Samuelsson, Pittsburgh Penguins 1991-92 184 Kjell Samuelsson, Philadelphia Flyers 1988-89 181 Ulf Samuelsson, Hartford Whalers 1988-89 174 Ulf Samuelsson, Hartford Whalers 1985-86 170 Borje Salming, Toronto Maple Leafs 1980-81 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RL Rk Name Team J# Ps Ht Wt Born G A Pts PL Comment -- -- ---------------- ---- -- -- --- --- -------- -- -- --- -- ------- 1 Mats Sundin QUE 13 C 6-2 189 2/13/71 43 66 109 7 2 Ulf Dahlen MIN 22 RW 6-2 195 1/12/67 33 38 71 5 3 Thomas Steen WIN 25 C 5-10 195 6/ 8/60 21 43 64 5 4 Johan Garpenlov SJS 10 LW 5-11 185 3/21/68 21 40 61 5 5 Fredrik Olausson WIN 4 D 6-2 200 10/ 5/66 13 38 51 4 6 Tomas Sandstrom LAK 7 LW 6-2 207 9/ 4/64 22 24 46 2 7 Per-Erik Eklund PHI 9 LW 5-10 175 3/22/63 8 34 42 Injured 8 Calle Johansson WAS 6 D 5-11 205 2/14/67 6 35 41 1 9 Nicklas Lidstrom DET 5 D 6-2 180 4/28/70 7 33 40 2 10 Tommy Sjodin MIN 33 D 5-11 190 8/13/65 7 29 36 11 Ulf Samuelsson PIT 5 D 6-1 195 3/26/64 2 24 26 1 12 Mikael Andersson TBL 34 LW 5-11 185 5/10/66 13 11 24 1 13 Michael Nylander HFD 36 LW 5-11 176 10/ 3/72 5 16 21 2 14 Roger Johansson CGY 34 D 6-1 185 4/ 7/67 4 15 19 1 15 Jan Erixon NYR 20 LW 6-0 196 7/ 8/62 5 10 15 16 Peter Andersson NYR 25 D 6-0 187 8/29/65 4 7 11 1 17 Kjell Samuelsson PIT 28 D 6-6 235 10/18/58 3 6 9 2 18 Tommy Albelin NJD 6 D 6-1 190 5/21/64 1 5 6 19 Per Djoos NYR 44 D 5-11 176 5/11/68 1 1 2 Binghampton? 20 Niclas Andersson QUE 46 LW 5-8 169 5/20/71 0 1 1 Halifax 21 Thomas Forslund CGY 27 LW 6-0 185 11/24/68 0 1 1 Salt Lake 22 Patrik Carnback MON 20 LW 6-0 189 2/ 1/68 0 0 0 Injured 23 Patrik Kjellberg MON 27 LW 6-2 196 6/17/69 0 0 0 Fredericton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RL=Rank Last week, Rk=Rank, J#=Jersey Number, Ps=Position, Born (mm/dd/yy) G=Goals, A=Assists, Pts=Points, PL=Points scored since Last posted list =============================================================================== Goalie stats: Name Team J# Ps Ht Wt Born ---------------- ---- -- -- --- --- -------- Tommy Soderstrom PHI 30 G 5-9 163 7/17/69 / - - - - - T O T A L - - - - - \ mm/dd vs res r w/l/t sh - sv GP MP GA GAA SOG SV SV% SO A ----- ---- ---- - ----- -- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- --- -- -- 12/17 PIT 4-5 L 0-1-0 27 - 22 1 62 5 4.84 27 22 0.815 12/19 CHI 3-1 W 1-1-0 28 - 27 2 122 6 2.95 55 49 0.891 12/20 @TBL 1-4 L 1-2-0 31 - 27 3 182 10 3.30 86 76 0.884 12/23 PIT 0-4 L 1-3-0 26 - 22 4 242 14 3.47 112 98 0.875 12/26 @WAS 5-5 T 1-3-1 41 - 36 5 307 19 3.71 153 134 0.876 12/29 @LAK 10-2 W 2-3-1 43 - 41 6 367 21 3.43 196 175 0.893 12/30 @SJS 6-2 W 3-3-1 35 - 33 7 427 23 3.23 231 208 0.900 1/ 2 @CGY 3-7 L 3-4-1 32 - 26 8 486 29 3.58 263 234 0.890 1/ 3 @EDM 2-2 T 3-4-2 33 - 31 9 551 31 3.38 296 265 0.895 1/ 7 WAS 8-2 W 4-4-2 33 - 31 10 611 33 3.24 329 296 0.900 1/ 9 NYR 4-3 W 5-4-2 26 - 23 11 671 36 3.22 355 319 0.899 1/10 EDM 4-0 W 6-4-2 29 - 29 12 731 36 2.95 384 348 0.906 1 1/14 CGY 4-4 T 6-4-3 27 - 23 13 796 40 3.02 411 371 0.903 1/16 @BOS 5-4 W 7-4-3 37 - 33 14 856 44 3.08 448 404 0.902 1/17 DET 4-7 L 7-5-3 36 - 29 15 916 51 3.34 484 433 0.895 1/21 BOS 4-5 L 7-6-3 32 - 27 16 976 56 3.44 516 460 0.891 1/23 @NYI 4-8 L 7-7-3 31 - 23 17 1036 64 3.71 547 483 0.883 1 1/24 HFD 5-4 W 8-7-3 25 - 21 18 1098 68 3.72 572 504 0.881 1/30 @PIT 2-4 L 8-8-3 35 - 32 19 1157 71 3.68 607 536 0.883 2/ 3 @NYR 2-2 T 8-8-4 38 - 36 20 1222 73 3.58 645 572 0.887 2/ 9 OTT 8-1 W 9-8-4 28 - 27 21 1282 74 3.46 673 599 0.890 2/11 MTL 0-0 T 9-8-5 23 - 23 22 1347 74 3.30 696 622 0.894 2 2/13 @NJD 4-6 L 9-9-5 32 - 26 23 1407 80 3.41 728 648 0.890 2/14 NJD 2-5 L 9-10-5 26 - 21 24 1467 85 3.48 754 669 0.887 2/16 @CGY 4-4 T 9-10-6 29 - 29 25 1512 85 3.37 783 698 0.891 2/18 @VAN 3-2 W 10-10-6 30 - 28 26 1572 87 3.32 813 726 0.893 2/20 @MIN 2-5 L 10-11-6 33 - 28 27 1632 92 3.38 846 754 0.891 2/22 DET 5-5 - 10-11-6 15 - 12 28 1653 95 3.45 861 766 0.890 3/ 2 PIT 5-4 W 11-11-6 22 - 21 29 1689 96 3.41 883 787 0.891 3/ 5 @WAS 3-0 W 12-11-6 36 - 36 30 1749 96 3.29 919 823 0.896 3 3/ 7 @NJD 4-7 L 12-12-6 41 - 35 31 1808 102 3.38 960 858 0.894 3/ 9 @NYI 2-4 L 12-13-6 24 - 21 32 1867 105 3.37 984 879 0.893 3/11 WAS 6-4 W 13-13-6 28 - 24 33 1927 109 3.39 1012 903 0.892 3/16 MIN 4-3 W 14-13-6 34 - 31 34 1987 112 3.38 1046 934 0.893 3/20 @PIT 3-9 L 14-14-6 27 - 20 35 2027 119 3.52 1073 954 0.889 3/21 NJD 2-3 L 14-15-6 27 - 24 36 2086 122 3.51 1100 978 0.889 3/24 @NYR 5-4 W 15-15-6 45 - 41 37 2146 126 3.52 1145 1019 0.890 2 3/27 @QUE 3-8 L 15-16-6 25 - 19 38 2186 132 3.62 1170 1038 0.887 4/ 1 LAK 1-3 L 15-17-6 26 - 23 39 2246 135 3.61 1196 1061 0.887 4/ 4 TOR 4-0 W 16-17-6 26 - 26 40 2306 135 3.51 1222 1087 0.890 4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- res=result, sh=shots, sv=saves GP=Games Played, MP=Minutes Played, GA=Goals Against, GAA=Goals Against Average SOG=Shots On Goal, SV=SaVes, SV%=SaVing Percentage, SO=ShutOuts, A=Assists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Staffan -- ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey ";13;1 "From: kayman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) Subject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE) Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 42 In article wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) writes: >ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes: > >>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 >>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion >>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click >>on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to >>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly >>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump >>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have >>never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions? > >>Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam! > >I think I have the same problem. I think it is caused by the rubber ball >in the mouse, which doesn't roll so smooth. The detectors in the mouse >notice this and whoops, I hit a mine (using minesweeper :-) ). > >I think the solution will be buying a new mouse, and/or using a mouse pad. > >Wouter. And/or taking the rubber ball out of the mouse (should be directions in the manual or on the bottom of the mouse) and cleaning it with alcohol (isopropyl, I believe - the same alcohol as used for cleaning your cassette deck). This is good to do every so often, even if you have a mouse pad. Dust still gets caught in the mouse and on the rubber ball. As well, lint and other garbage may find it's way onto the rubber ball and get into the mouse damaging the horizontal and vertical sensors. Hope this helps. Good luck. -- Sincerely, Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu ""In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."" ""You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision revised?!?!"" ";-1;0 "From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) Subject: Re: 2%: We're undertaxed/Poll Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 39 kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) writes: >In article <1993Apr16.190829.17141@cunews.carleton.ca> akasacou@alfred.carleton.ca (Alexander Kasacous) writes: >>In article VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: >> >>> >>> No, what you said was that we had spent money on ""guns"" rather than >>>""people,"" as Canada does. Which is ridiculous. >>> >> >>Once again I have over estimated the general level of intellegence of >>the average reader of rush-limbaugh. Canada PER CAPITA spend more >>money on people where the US spend more money PER CAPITA on guns. >What exactly do you mean when you say the U.S. spends more per capita on >guns than Canada does? Are you talking about the U.S. government or are you >talking about the purchase of guns by private citizens or both? If you are >referring to private citizens then your point is irrevelant because what >individuals do with their money is essentially *their* business. >If, on the other hand, you meant that the U.S government spends more per >capita on guns than Canada does then your point *is* relevant. So, if this >is true then the U.S. needs to get its priorities straight. People are more >important than guns. That is not to say that guns aren't important. I'm >just saying that if the U.S government *does* spend more per capita on guns >than they do on people then something is awry. He meant the US spends more per capita on guns than Canada which isn't really surprising because we were so busy protecting the western world from the USSR that all other countries could slack off on their defense spending. I would like to see if the US spends more per capita on people than Canada does. This is a true apples - apples comparison where the previous post was apples - oranges. ";-1;0 "From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh) Subject: Rolling Stones 45 rpm singles for sale Keywords: Rolling Stones 45 rpm singles Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 17 I have the following 45 rpm singles for sale. Most are collectable 7-inch records with picture sleeves. Price does not include postage which is $1.21 for the first record, $1.69 for two, etc. Rolling Stones|19th Nervous Brakdown (London Picture Sleeve)|$10 Rolling Stones|Jumpin Jack Flash (London Picture Sleeve)|$10 Rolling Stones|Mothers Little Helper (London Picture Sleeve)|$10 Rolling Stones|Paint It, Black (London Picture Sleeve)|$10 If you are intereste, please contact: Michael McHugh mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu ";-1;0 "From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: . Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com In article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >... >In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms. >No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking, >than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault. > >The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. You know, in many ways this might be just the kick we need to straighten things out in this country. Also, people would have a need to replace guns with something else, perhaps deadly sprays that would make Mace and OC seem like water. They would be lighter and easier to conceal. Guns are really ""old"" in design and as long as we have tons of them, no one is motivated to design something better. I'm sure we could come up with some real nasty stuff if we tried and getting rid of these guns would get us moving on this track asap. This is what we really want, right? Stuff that's smaller, lighter and far more deadly. Remember, in this country we'll really scramble to accomplish impossible feats if we are motivated enough and I think ""self-defense"" is high on our list of motivators. ";-1;0 "From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) Subject: Re: Gun Talk -- Legislative Update for States Keywords: gun talk, ila Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Distribution: usa Lines: 27 viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: >lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes: >>IOWA: All firearm related bills are dead. Senate File 303 >>dealing with off-duty police officers carrying concealed remains >>viable. > The *POWER* of the word processor and a stamp at work. >The fact that around here the state rep generally lives no more than >nine miles from any constituent doesn't hurt, either. >< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > >< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > >< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > >< unusual people. And flame them. > Does anyone know the particulars on the Senate File 303? Does this bill allow or deny off-duty police from carrying concealed? From what information that I have, Iowa has a discretionary permit policy on CCW. If S 303 allows police(off-duty) to carry concealed then I would be inclined to oppose it. I don't believe off-duty police officers should have any more rights than civilians. If law or policy prevents law-abiding citizens from being armed for self defense then why should off-duty police officer be treated any differently. ";-1;0 "From: dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson) Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo Nntp-Posting-Host: lexus Reply-To: dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector Lines: 21 In article F23@zoo.toronto.edu, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.101044.2291@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >>This prize isn't big enough to warrent developing a SSTO, but it is >>enough to do it if the vehicle exists. > >Actually, there are people who will tell you that it *would* be enough >to do SSTO development, if done privately as a cut-rate operation. Of >course, they may be over-optimistic. > >You can also assume that a working SSTO would have other applications >that would help pay for its development costs. > >I'd be inclined to make the prize somewhat larger, but $1G might be enough. this all sounds like that Indecent Proposal movie. wouldn't there be a lot of people that would try this with little hope of working just to get the dough? if you have a 1:100 chance and it costs you $10Mil, then you might pay some stooge a few grand to be your lucky hero. just send up a few dozen and 1 is bound to survive enough to make YOU rich. --DonG ";-1;0 "From: myoakam@cis.ohio-state.edu (micah r yoakam) Subject: BOAT for SALE Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 14 Distribution: USA Expires: +60days NNTP-Posting-Host: eucalyptus.cis.ohio-state.edu BOAT For SALE 1989 23' IMPERIAL FISHERMAN featuring Walkaround Cuddy Cabin, 305 V8 with VOLVO DUO PROP OUTDRIVE /\/\/\/ AM-FM Cassette Stereo, VHF RADIO, 4x6 HUMMINGBIRD Fishfinder, ALL Safty equipment, Covers, and MUCH MORE. 18000 LB. Capacity includes Storage Trailer Hardly used: LESS Than 100 Hrs Asking: $15,000 OR Best OFFER. For Further information contact Gerald at 1-(419)-756-2950 Mansfield, OH ";-1;0 "From: bakalis@apollo.HP.COM (Steven Bakalis) Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP Article-I.D.: apollo.C52JGB.K99 Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: fantail.ch.apollo.hp.com In article <1pqarb$fnq@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, crucej@osshe.edu (Jerry Cruce) writes: |> Peter Nesbitt (0005111312@mcimail.com) wrote: |> : Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by |> : a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road. The |> : officer stated ""...it like you were going kinda fast coming down |> : highway 12. You been going at least 70 or 75."" I just said okay, |> : and did not agree or disagree to anything he said. |> 1) The next time you get stoped by a cop, never never never admit to anything. 2) Don't volunteer any information. 3) When a retoracle question is ask by the cop, like ""...it like you were going kinda fast coming down highway 12. You been going at least 70 or 75?"" -- the correct reponse is to deny it. This technique is employed by police to help establish guilt, especially when (9 times out of 10) he/she is not sure who was doing the speeding. If the cop is unsure this may be the difference of him letting you off the hook or getting the tissue. Hope this helps for next time. Steven Bakalis ";-1;0 "From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) Subject: Eric Bosco where are you?! Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University Distribution: usa Lines: 4 Eric, send me email with your address, I lost it! I've reconsidered! Kevin ";-1;0 "From: dennisk@cs.uoregon.edu (Dennis Kennedy) Subject: '72 Chevelle SS forsale Organization: University of Oregon Lines: 11 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: fp2-cc-25.uoregon.edu I don't want to sell this car, but I need money for college. 1972 Chevelle Super Sport Rebuilt 402, four speed, 12 Bolt positrac Numbers match 110,000 original miles no rust Looks and runs excellent $5995 or best offer. Call Dennis at (503)343-3759 or email dennisk@cs.uoregon.edu ";-1;0 "From: manu@oas.olivetti.com (Manu Das) Subject: overlapped window without a title bar Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA Lines: 31 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: todi.oas.olivetti.com Hi, I have a simple question. Is it possible to create a OVERLAPPED THICKFRAME window without a title bar; ie (WS_OVERLAPPED | WS_THICKFRAME) & ~WS_CAPTION I don't seem to be able to get rid off the title bar. I have another question: I have a overlapped window(say V) which has few child windows (a,b,c, etc) The window shows up with all it's children fine. Now, I create another child(t) with a WS_THICKFRAME style and placed on top of one or more of it's siblings. Style WS_THICKFRAME is used so that I can resize it. How do I make sure that the child 't' will always be at the top of it's siblings. I used SetWindowPos() and BringWindowToTop() without success. What's happening is that while I am resizing 't' it shows up but as soon as I let go, it goes behild it's siblings. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Manu Please mail me at manu@oas.olivetti.com ";-1;0 "From: apoylis@inode.com Subject: FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? Reply-To: apoylis@inode.com Distribution: world Organization: inode BBS, NYC's Best Usenet Access (212-679-9146) Lines: 9 Is there a FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? Could anyone please repost it or email to me, if I missed it? Thanks in advance. ... Alexander Poylisher, Internet: apoylis@inode.com; FidoNet: 1:2603/106 --- þ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 þ ";5;1 "From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com Subject: Walter? Lines: 15 Return-Path: Walter- I tried several times in the past to communicate with you and Susan, but you ignored me, and I don't honestly believe my letters were mean. Rather I thought they were thoughtful and compassionate, but I see now what I should have seen then. Call me naive. I give up on this group. As my Lord advised, that if you are unwelcome in a city then brush the dust of your feet and go on. If anyone cares about the topic they write to me direct, if not, well, may God bless you as well. Bye to this group. PAX ";-1;0 "From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Biblical Rape Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 14 In article <1993Apr05.174537.14962@watson.ibm.com> strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom) writes: > >In article <16BA7F16C.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de>, I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: > >I didn't have time to read the rest of the posting, but >I had to respond to this. > >I am absolutely NOT a ""Messianic Jew"". > Another mistake. Sorry, I should have read alt.,messianic more carefully. Benedikt ";-1;0 "From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Subject: Re: I don't understand SI Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) Lines: 54 MG>joohwee students (neural@iss.nus.sg) wrote: MG>> I went buying SIMMs recently, and the sales person told me that the MG>> are 9-chip SIMMs and 3-chip SIMMs, and one cannot use them interchan MG>> If you use one, you have to use all of the same type. don't believe everything you are told. I can tell you that mixing them between 'banks' ok, and I can't see why mixing in one bank is not unless they are of different speeds ( e.g. mixing of 60ns and 100ns SIMMs in one bank ). The two only differ in the type of chips it uses. Assuming that the SIMMS are 1Mx9 ( 9 bit wide ), here is the two equivalent configuration. The 3-chip SIMM uses two 4-bit wide 4Mbit (1M of 4-bit nibbles ) and one 1-bit wide 1Mbit chip ( for a total of 9-bit wide 1Mbyte ). The 9-bit SIMM uses nine 1-bit wide 1Mbit chips. These are equivalent because of the way that it is 'pinned' on the SIMM board. At the SIMM interface, they both act as 9-bit wide 1MByte SIMMS ( 2*4+1=9*1 ). [sorry if too techie for ya]. MG>> Similarly, one cannot plug in two 1MB SIMMs and one 4MB SIMMs to gi MG>> the system a total of 6 MEG. Why is that so ?? If my system supports MG>> of 8 MEG (it has 8 SIMM slots), can I plug in 4 4MB SIMMs to give my MG>> 16MB ?? That sounds correct. the problem is that if your computer takes 9-bit wide SIMMs, you can not mix different sizes in one bank. Why you ask? Simple, if you understand why there is banks. Assuming you have a 32-bit CPU ( 386DX or 486 ), the data bus (e.g. the mechanism to retrieve data from memory ) is 32-bits wide, so the computer expects to see 32 bits when it asks for data. To get that bandwidth ( 32-bit wide ), the motherboard links 4 1Mx9 ( one bit is not data, but parity, so I will ignore that in this simple explaination ) to get 32bits [ (9-1)*4=32 bits ]. That means that a SIMM in a bank stores only 1/4 of the 32 bit wide data. If you have a 16-bit bus, two 1Mx9 SIMMs are linked together to get 16-bit wide data, which is the reason why 286 banks are 2 SIMMs wide, and 32-bit banks are 4 SIMMs wide. If your computer required 1Mx36 ( e.g. 32-bit wide data with 4 parity bits, used in some PS/2s and ASTs ), you could upgrade by one SIMM at a time. Hope that this message is not over your head, but the answer to your question was not simple. I could of just said, 'because I said so.' -rdd --- . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959 ---- | HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | ";-1;0 "From: rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be (Rajiev Gupta) Subject: Re: Questions about Windows NT. Help! Nntp-Posting-Host: shelduck Organization: Eurocontrol - Central Flow Management Unit Keywords: Windows NT, unix, sun sparc Lines: 36 In article shan@ms.uky.edu (Minghua SHAN) writes: > >I don't know much about Windows NT, but I've always thought >that Win NT would run only on Intel 386/486 compatable systems. >We are setting up a network which includes a SUN Sparc Server 4/490 >and about a dozen PC's. Some people suggest that we run Windows NT >on the SUN Sparc Server 4/490 replacing the current OS (SunOS). >I don't know whether this is possible and whether this would do us any >good. I would appreciate any help on answering a few questions below. > >1. Does Windows NT run on Sun Sparc Server 490? >2. If the answer to question 1 is yes, does it run unix applications > (such as SAS for unix). >3. Is Windows NT a multiuser OS? >4. When will Windows NT be released? >5. Is there any telephone number that I can call and get more > info on Win NT? > >Thank you. > >Minghua Shan As far as I have read WIN NT will be supported on Intel, DEC ALPHA and the MIPS R4000 series of processors only. I do remember though reading a rumour about Sparc support sometime in the future. I am not sure what you mean by running ""unix applications"". You would have to have SAS for WIN NT (or maybe SAS for WIN16 etc). I have read that MS will anounce avalaibility of WIN NT by end of May 93 (Comdex Spring). Hope this helps. Rajiev Gupta -- Rajiev GUPTA Eurocontrol - CFMU Disclaimer: rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be Rue de la Loi 72 These are *my* views, Tel: +32 2 729 33 12 B-1040 BRUXELLES not my companies. Fax: +32 2 729 32 16 Belgium ";-1;0 "From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: NHL team leaders in +/- Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 42 In article <1993Mar29.190650.28940@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >The Jets use the ""breakaway pass"" scheme to create a scoring sensation >in order to generate interest. If teams score as many or more goals >against Winnipeg when Selanne is on the ice as Winnipeg scores when >he is on the ice then I can't see how his contribution can be described >as impressive. Implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against Winnipeg with Selanne on the ice can be blamed on him...Roger, he is a FORWARD. Winnipeg has a lousy defensive record anyway. Let's put it another way. John Cullen's +/- is terrible. What's your excuse for him? That his powerplay points don't count? Neither do Selanne's... >The object of the game is not to feed Selanne - it is >to win. And feeding Selanne does not contribute in any meaningful way >to winning. Knowledgeable hockey observers the world over would agree that feeding Selanne so he can score does contribute in a meaningful way to winning. >Pat Burns wouldn't have a goal suck like this on his team. You're worried about Teemu when you have Glenn Anderson on your team? >We DON'T KNOW what Selanne does best. We do know what Jet's management >wants. And again, the object of the exercise is not to allow Selanne to >do what he does best, it is to win hockey games. What he does best is score...so I refer you to my comment above. >As it is now, Selanne >is a grandstanding goal suck. Did you see the way he parades around >with his arms outstretched after scoring a goal? You would think the >Messiah had returned... Nope, didn't see it. I was too busy watching Foligno jump up and down after _his_ goal.... ";-1;0 "From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: RE Aftermarket A/C units Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: usa Lines: 29 >Les Bartel's comments: >>>>Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to >>make concerning aftermarket A/C units. I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp >>(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with >>it. The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air. I will never have >>an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again. I just can't >>trust the quality and performance after this experience. >> - les > >Let me add my .02 in. I had a A/C installed by the Ford garage and it did not >work as well as the A/C that was installed by the factory in pickups >identical to mine. I have talked to other people that have had the same >result. Don't know if this is just a probable with Ford or what?? > > Ernie Smith i agree, *never* have the dealer add anything to your car. if you want a/c make sure it is factory installed(honda's maybe excluded, many can't be bought with a/c installed at the factory, but i think, maybe, they actually use all the needed parts for a true factory install when they put one in...as in bigger radiator etc...or are designed properly for this in the 1st place), anyway, my point is the dealer installed a/c won't be anywhere near as good as factory *and* the service bums will mess up your car when installing it... scratches, screwdriver holes in seats...parts not reinstalled correctly or with all the screws etc. i know a guy who has been service manager at a gm dealer for 18 years...he said never have a dealer add anything to your car... except, maybe, floormats... ";-1;0 "From: mrw9e@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Michael Robert Williams) Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 25 In article <1993Apr17.053333.15696@sfu.ca> Leigh Palmer writes: >In article <1qn4bgINN4s7@mimi.UU.NET> James P. Goltz, goltz@mimi.UU.NET >writes: >> Background: The Orion spacedrive was a theoretical concept. > >It was more than a theoretical concept; it was seriously pursued by >Freeman Dyson et al many years ago. I don't know how well-known this is, >but a high explosive Orion prototype flew (in the atmosphere) in San >Diego back in 1957 or 1958. I was working at General Atomic at the time, >but I didn't learn about the experiment until almost thirty years later, >when >Ted Taylor visited us and revealed that it had been done. I feel sure >that someone must have film of that experiment, and I'd really like to >see it. Has anyone out there seen it? > >Leigh Nope, I haven't seen the film, but Taylor's biography (""The Curve of Binding Energy"") contains a short section on Orion and this test flight. Apparently it was quite impressi, and got von Braun very excited. In Real Life:Mike Williams | Perpetual Grad Student e-mail :mrw9e@virginia.edu| - It's not just a job, it's an indenture --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""If you ever have a world of your own, plan ahead- don't eat it."" ST:TNG ";2;1 "From: u1452@penelope.sdsc.edu (Jeff Bytof - SIO) Subject: End of the Space Age? Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @ UCSD Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: penelope.sdsc.edu We are not at the end of the Space Age, but only at the end of Its beginning. That space exploration is no longer a driver for technical innovation, or a focus of American cultural attention is certainly debatable; however, technical developments in other quarters will always be examined for possible applications in the space area and we can look forward to many innovations that might enhance the capabilities and lower the cost of future space operations. The Dream is Alive and Well. -Jeff Bytof member, technical staff Institute for Remote Exploration ";2;1 "From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 41 As the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of late. It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every day. The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I can't reproduce crashes, and they are not always GPF's in the same application. Sometimes I can recover by simply closing the application that caused an error, but other times, windows acts very strange, and I need to re-boot. Some background: I have a Leading Edge 486sx25 with Phoenix BIOS. When I first got it it had 4Mg of memory. It ran windows fine (not too many GPF's). Then, a couple of weekends ago, I installed Lotus 123 for windows (with ATM), a game card and an additional 4 1Mg SIMMS. The Leading edge machine is kind of strange, in that it has the IDE controler built into the motherboard, the CPU is actually on a sparate board that plugs into the motherboard and the SIMMS it uses are Macintosh SIMMS! Apparently I was told that the Leading Edge had the parity bit built into the mother board. The original 4Mg 80ns SIMMS where of the 2 chip variety from SAMSUNG, and the ones I installed are 8 chip SIMMS. They are recognized fine by the BIOS RAM check. The game card is a generic $20 gamecard. The reason why I mention the hardware like this is that sometimes rebooting the machine using the reset button or ctl-alt-del still leaves the machine kind of flaky, but turning it on and off doesn't. I haven't tried taking out the RAM or the game card, because as I said these GPF are not reproducible at will. I have gone through and entire day using the computer with no problems and then I might get 5 or so GPF's in the sppace of 20 minutes? What can I do. This situation is most annoying... Are there any good diagnostic tools for hardware? Do you think that this might be a software problem (ie EMM386 etc.)? If it helps, i have manage to get GPF's on After Dark, quicken, Paint shop pro. A lot of them have been in user.exe or gdi.exe. Any help is truly appreciated..... -Eric ebosco@us.oracle.com ";-1;0 "From: wgs1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Walter G. Seefeld) Subject: SyQuest internal 44 drive with 8 cartridges: sale or trade Summary: Will trade 350Mb for ~300Mb IDE, or sell for $450 Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Distribution: na Lines: 21 This drive is less than one year old. The cartridges have all been bought since then. All is in excellent condition and still under warranty. Due to a change in system use, I now need a large, contiguous drive. Offer includes: SyDos 44i internal drive SCSI adapter card and cables All original documentation Software All original packaging 8 cartridges totalling over 350Mb (no bad sectors or defects) The installation was a breeze on my 386 clone. I will trade for something near 300Mb IDE, or sell for $450. I will also consider trading for 4 4Mx9 30 pin SIMMs at 70ns. -- Walter G. Seefeld | By the dawn's early light, 940 N. Jackson St. #1A | By all I know is right, Starkville, MS 39759 | We're going to reap what we have sown. N5QXR | -Jackson Brown ";-1;0 "From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) Subject: Re: harrassed at work, could use some prayers Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego Lines: 63 (Well, I'll email also, but this may apply to other people, so I'll post also.) >I've been working at this company for eight years in various >engineering jobs. I'm female. Yesterday I counted and realized that >on seven different occasions I've been sexually harrassed at this >company. >I dreaded coming back to work today. What if my boss comes in to ask >me some kind of question... Your boss should be the person bring these problems to. If he/she does not seem to take any action, keep going up higher and higher. Sexual harrassment does not need to be tolerated, and it can be an enormous emotional support to discuss this with someone and know that they are trying to do something about it. If you feel you can not discuss this with your boss, perhaps your company has a personnel department that can work for you while preserving your privacy. Most companies will want to deal with this problem because constant anxiety does seriously affect how effectively employees do their jobs. It is unclear from your letter if you have done this or not. It is not inconceivable that management remains ignorant of employee problems/strife even after eight years (it's a miracle if they do notice). Perhaps your manager did not bring to the attention of higher ups? If the company indeed does seem to want to ignore the entire problem, there may be a state agency willing to fight with you. (check with a lawyer, a women's resource center, etc to find out) You may also want to discuss this with your paster, priest, husband, etc. That is, someone you know will not be judgemental and that is supportive, comforting, etc. This will bring a lot of healing. >So I returned at 11:25, only to find that ever single >person had already left for lunch. They left at 11:15 or so. No one >could be bothered to call me at the other building, even though my >number was posted. This happens to a lot of people. Honest. I believe it may seem to be due to gross insensitivity because of the feelings you are going through. People in offices tend to be more insensitive while working than they normally are (maybe it's the hustle or stress or...) I've had this happen to me a lot, often because they didn't realize my car was broken, etc. Then they will come back and wonder why I didn't want to go (this would tend to make me stop being angry at being ignored and make me laugh). Once, we went off without our boss, who was paying for the lunch :-) >For this >reason I hope good Mr. Moderator allows me this latest indulgence. Well, if you can't turn to the computer for support, what would we do? (signs of the computer age :-) In closing, please don't let the hateful actions of a single person harm you. They are doing it because they are still the playground bully and enjoy seeing the hurt they cause. And you should not accept the opinions of an imbecile that you are worthless - much wiser people hold you in great esteem. -- Darin Johnson djohnson@ucsd.edu - Luxury! In MY day, we had to make do with 5 bytes of swap... ";-1;0 "From: khettry@r1w2.pub.utk.edu (23064RFL) Subject: Testing !! Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center Distribution: utk Lines: 6 Just Testing !!! No flames please ! Bye ";13;1 "From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck) Subject: Daily Verse Lines: 5 When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen: Luke 19:37 ";-1;0 "From: yuan@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Maw Ying Yuan) Subject: Win3.1 Config.Sys query Organization: University of Hawaii, College of Engineering Lines: 11 Hi there, With a 16Megs of RAM, is there a need to run/load Smartdrv for Windows 3.1? If yes, can I run/load Ramdrive without Smartdrv? If I need both Ramdrive & Smartdrv, is the following Config.Sys settings OK: ...SMARTDRV.SYS 2048 2048 ...RAMDRIVE.SYS 2048 /E Thanks in advance for e-mail reply. yuan@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu ";6;1 "From: rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? Organization: The Armory Lines: 94 In article <1993Apr5.000007.27707@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbond@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mimi) writes: >In article <1993Apr3.211910.21908@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.n >u.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: >>In article <1pkmo9INNg7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.ed > >>(William December Starr) writes: >>> >>>And what difference does it make? If homosexuals should not be treated >>>as equals with heterosexuals in the eyes of the law then it doesn't >>>matter if they comprise an overwhelming majority of the population, and >>>if they should then it doesn't matter if, numerically, they're only an >>>infinitesimal minority, right? >>> >>And if it makes no difference, then shoving a false number down my throa > >>shouldn't be a high priority. After all, why should a minority group ne >d to >>inflate their numbers in order to justify the rights they claim they des >rve >>i.e. extra privileges they ask for? >> >>If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault and >>battery. Why must we add gay bashing to the list? Isn't this a sort of >>double jeopardy? Or am I just being a fascist again? >> >> >>-- >>Douglas C. Meier | This Space for Rent >>Northwestern University, ACNS | >>This University is too Commie- | >>Lib Pinko to have these views. | dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu > > >You know, I have thought about the issue of if someone beats up a >homosexual, or a black person, etc., should the crime be specified >as something special. Shit, beating up anybody, regardless of race >and sexual orientation should be a very serious crime. If you >pick out those crimes which are committed against the opposite sex, >different race, or a different sexual orientation, is this a form >of favoring those groups over other groups. Hmm.. I mean, I think >that a crime committed against all people should be treated the >same. But, I know that there are many people out there who are >very prejudice against people who are different than they are. And >perhaps hate crimes laws are the only way to punish the bastards >appropriately. But, why should a person who commits a crime against >a wealthy protestant white by a wealthy protestant white be treated >on a lower level. Isn't this discrimination against the wealthy >white person. > >Hmm.. Any input out there? As a black person, I here about all >sorts of stories where fellow blacks are persecuted and beat up >because of their race. This really tears me up. But, a crime >against a white by a white should also be treated as a heinous >crime. > >Please respond. I would like to hear what other views are out ther. > >Ciao' >Mimi --------------------------- The federal government has used such laws to allow mutliple charges in order to prevent more crimes than would nromally occur just from two people being pissed off at each other. The federal government has an interest in the intent of the perpetrators in the pursuit of preventing violations of civil rights. It's the way they broke the back of the Klan, by putting a lot of people away for a very long time for harrassing blacks specifically. It is a principle that has been well recognized as constitutionally valid since over 100 years ago. It has been used whenever a select group was getting bashed or harrassed more than any other person would just for being part of a minority. It is the only way we made the defeat of the south stick after the Civil War. People who harrassed free blacks, when normally they wouldn't find themselves harrassing just anyone walking around were expeditiously tried and jailed for 5 to 8 years until nobody wanted to try it anymore. Now with the 14th amendment guarantee of equal protection under the law, the law can use multiple crime and severe penalty involving intent as much as is needed to protect even one human that is a hated minority to somebody. They can call out the national guard just for them, as they did the school girls in Alabama during desegregation in the 1950's, and the president can nationalize the state militia and turn the guns of the militia that were being used to bar blacks right around to point at the thousands in the crowd with an order to shoot that they would have to obey or face possible death by firing squad under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for failing to obey a direct order while under arms! And by god, they did! Those southern boys turned right around an fixed bayonets! And the governor was left standing and was arrested by the federal marshalls that had brought the order to nationalize the guard. And that's why we need such an ability in federal jurisdiction. -RSW -- * Richard STEVEn Walz rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (408) 429-1200 * * 515 Maple Street #1 * Without safe and free abortion women are * * Santa Cruz, CA 95060 organ-surrogates to unwanted parasites.* * * Real Men would never accept organ-slavery and will protect Women. * ";-1;0 "From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) Subject: Re: Q: Colormaps with dialog shells Organization: Open Software Foundation Lines: 29 dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) writes: | | I have an applicationShell which uses a colormap created with | XCreateColormap() and uses all of the colors available for my 8-bit | display....When I popup a dialogShell to prompt the user for | some input I want the XmNdialogStyle to be set to | XmDIALOG_PRIMARY_APPLICATION_MODAL. The result is that if my cursor is | over the dialogShell I get my colormap, but if the cursor is over the | applicationShell (or any window other than the dialogShell) I get the | default colormap. But I'd like it so that if my cursor is over _any_ | window of my application, I get my colormap. I *think* this is correct behavior. Remember the default colormapFocusPolicy is keyboard (meaning the cmap focus follows the keyboard focus). Since the dialog is modal, mwm won't allow keyboard focus onto your main shell, and so it won't allow cmap focus either. Since it sounds as though you have keyboardFocusPolicy:pointer, I suggest you set colormapFocusPolicy:pointer also. That way, the cmap focus won't slavishly follow keyboard focus, but will beat its own path. (if you have keyboardFocusPolicy: explicit, you can set cmap focus explicit also, but you then need a binding to f.focus_color, probably on MB1). -- David Brooks dbrooks@osf.org Open Software Foundation uunet!osf.org!dbrooks Showres soote my foote ";-1;0 "From: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM (Jason Cockroft) Subject: If You Were Pat Burns ... Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 57 Distribution: world Reply-To: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: rambler.eng.sun.com Keywords: Leaf Wings What are the Leafs to do? I am a Leaf supporter and I say the Leafs are going down in four unless there is nothing short of a miracle or a stroke of genenius hits Pat Burns. If you were Pat Burns what would you do? Living in the Bay area, I do not get enough Leaf coverage to pull something out of the bag, (I would appreciate comments on the Leaf/Detroit 3rd line match-ups) but here is the basic idea... Andreychuck and Borchevsky have no business playing against the Wings. They are too small. The key to any Leafs success will have to be Clark. He is the only centre who can have any presence within 3-stick lengths of the slot. Where the hell is Anderson? Anderson can (in days past) get under peoples skin. Put a little more bluntly, Anderson has to be an asshole. He used to be good at it. We need him now. Perhaps, perhaps the Leafs can shut down Detroit's second line. I was dissappointed to see Shepard and Yserbeart flying last night. These guys are the ""swing"" players for the Wings. Last year they did a major choke in the playoffs and were to blame for the quick exit of the Wings. **THis has to happen again**. Clark-Anderson-Gilmour should be able to out hustle this line. Anderson should do a nasty on Yserbeart. Clark should bang the hell out of Sheppard. Score Gilmour score! Suggestions: Clarke-Anderson-Gilmour vs. Sheppard-Yserbeart-?? Andreychuck-Borchevsy-?? vs. Detroit checking line Toronto's checking line vs. Yzerman-Fedorov-Probert (pray lots) * as suggested - i would bench Andreychuck and Borchevsky to stir things up and through a monkey wrench into Detroits game plan. However, if the Detroit coaching would be dumb enough to play their checking line against these ""finesse"" players - well then let them play. ** Potvin can not be faulted on 5 of the goals - keep him in. ** Van Hellamond can not be faulted for the Leafs demise either. ** The Wings defense shut down the Leafs (especially in the slot). I hope Pat Burns realizes that his team was out-hit, out-skated, and out-coached on Monday night. This was not a loss because of poor goaltending or officiating. This calls for drastic measures ... or tee off is next Monday. -jake. GO LEAFS !!! ";13;1 "From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Article-I.D.: shelley.1r4cucINNham Distribution: na Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu In article <1993Apr19.231050.2196@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (Scott Babb) writes: >Brian Day (bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov) wrote: >: On December 29, 1992, it was illegal to operate a radar detector >: in the state of Virginia. If one got caught, one got fined $65.00. >The Federal Communications Act of 1934 made it *legal* for you to >operate a radio receiver of any kind, on any frequency (including >X, K, and Ka bands) in the United States. And the Commonwealth of Virginia has not exactly butted against the issue on those grounds. The claim is that AS A MATTER OF TRAFFIC SAFETY one is not allowed to have a functioning radar detector on the dashboard while operating a motor vehicle. Yes, the argument is bogus, BUT... it hasn't been successfully challenged in court. Yet. John Whitmore ";-1;0 "From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco Lines: 33 brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: > >Be warned, it is not my job to convert you. That is the job of >the Holy Spirit. And I, frankly, make a lousy one. I am only >here to testify. Your conversion is between you and God. I am >""out of the loop"". If you decide to follow Jesus, of which I >indeed would be estatic, then all the glory be to God. I've asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me. I really wish I could believe in him, 'cos no matter how much confidence I build up on my own, the universe *is* a big place, and it would be so nice to know I have someone watching over me in it... I've gone into this with an open mind. I've layed my beliefs aside from time to time when I've had doubt, and I've prayed to see what good that would do. I don't see what more I can do to open myself to your god, short of just deciding to believe for no good reason. And if I decide to believe for no good reason, why not believe in some other god? Zeus seems like a pretty cool candidate... All I know is that in all my searching, even though I've set aside my pride and decided that I want to know the truth no matter how difficult it may be to accept, I have never had any encounter with any deity, Christian or otherwise. Please tell me what more I can do while still remaining true to myself. -- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. / is that it ends. -- Rousseau ";-1;0 "From: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Subject: Re: Facinating facts: 30 bit serial number, possibly fixed S1 and S2 Organization: University of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign Lines: 32 The only way to view this method of generating unit keys is as a back-door. What else can you call a key deterministically generated from the serial number? To generate the unit key for a serial number N, the 30-bit value N is first padded with a fixed 34-bit block to produce a 64-bit block N1. S1 and S2 are then used as keys to triple-encrypt N1, producing a 64-bit block R1: R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] . Similarly, N is padded with two other 34-bit blocks to produce N2 and N3, and two additional 64-bit blocks R2 and R3 are computed: R2 = E[D[E[N2; S1]; S2]; S1] R3 = E[D[E[N3; S1]; S2]; S1] . R1, R2, and R3 are then concatenated together, giving 192 bits. The first 80 bits are assigned to U1 and the second 80 bits to U2. The rest are discarded. The unit key U is the XOR of U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are the key parts that are separately escrowed with the two escrow agencies. What happens is that the need for the Escrow houses is completely eliminated. Or should I say, the need to _access_ the Escrow houses to decrypt the data. The houses will still serve a real purpose as far as generating the illusion of protection, and small-town cops won't be let in on the ""secret"", so they will still go through the motions of going to the Escrow houses, but the fact is __the Federal government CAN and WILL build a chip which generates the unit keys from the encrypted serial number!__ 'Nuff Said. ";-1;0 "From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662) Subject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X Reply-To: slc@.cdc.com Organization: Metaphase Technology, Inc. Lines: 20 In article <1993Apr23.170922.1911@odetics.com>, dale@odetics.com (Dale Pischke) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.195853.16179@samba.oit.unc.edu> dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes: >>Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this >>card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on >>latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors >>in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. > >I had the exact same failure with the 24X and Word for Windows. >A quick call to Microsoft indicated it was problem with the >24X drivers. You need to call Diamond and get the new drivers, >I think version 2.03 fixes the above problem, there may be later >versions that I'm unaware of... > Version 2.03 drivers are current. -- Steve Chesney slc@catherine.cim.cdc.com Metaphase Technology Inc. 612-482-4662 (voice) 4233 North Lexington Avenue 612-482-4001 (fax) Arden Hills, MN 55126 ";-1;0 "From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) Subject: Re: Weirdness of Early Christians Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 58 Were the early Christians weird? Yes! So were their non-Christian contemporaries (the more familiar you are with late Republican Rome or the Pricipate, the weirder those people will seem -- forget the creative filtering done by Renaissance and Eighteenth Century hero worship.) So are modern non-Christians. And Christians. You are pretty weird, yourself, with your rather acid dismissal of Luther and of Protestantism -- and in apparently buying into a simplistic propaganda model about Catholicism *not* being faddish. Sure, it's so large that global fads take longer cycles than they do in smaller denominations (and local ones are not usually visible unless you do a lot of traveling to exotic lands :-)). May I recom- mend, as a salutary antidote to this nonsense Philippe Aries' book _The Hour of our Death_, a longitudinal study of death customs in Western [specifically Catholic] Christendom? And it won't help to escape into the obscurity of the first Christian century. Paul was pretty weird, too; as were Peter and the others in the (apparently quite weird) circle around Jesus. What I think you might find helpful is a bit more charity -- try to understand these weirdos and nutcases with the same respect and love you would expect others to show YOUR notions. We *are* commanded to love one another, after all. And Brown's book is, in fact, a heroic attempt to SEE the groupings he talks about as motivated in love and the gospel and their social contexts. (If anything, Brown is *too* heroic here -- he manages to overstrain himself at times :-)) I don't suggest that we *follow* any of these old cult paths -- and it raises hard questions from the skeptic inside me that so much of early Christianity *was* like the weird (Christian and non-Christian) cults we see today. To that extent, I think you raise a serious problem (and perhaps your phrasing is implicitly self-deprecatory and ironic.) But the first principle for *answering* these questions is respect and love for those we do not understand. And it helps to *work* at under- standing (as long as we do not get overwhelmed by revulsion and begin to withdraw our respect for them as people.) I would advise, in other words, MORE historical reading (Brown's other books are also good, most especially his bio. of Augustine; also try Robin Lane Fox's _Christians and Pagans_, maybe the Paul Veyne ed. _History of Private Life_, some of Foucault's books on sexuality in the ancient world ...) Humanity *is* weird -- we have known ONE sane person, and we killed Him. Fortunately for us, this has proved a Comedy rather than a Tragedy. Easter, 1993. (yes; this is a tad early -- our Vigil service here has been moved forward because so many churches in the area have taken to doing their own Vigils, and the seminarians must therefore worship-and-run if they are to do it here and there as well. Think of this as an Anglican fad. :-)) -- Michael L. Siemon We must know the truth, and we must mls@ulysses.att.com love the truth we know, and we must - or - act according to the measure of our love. mls@panix.com -- Thomas Merton ";-1;0 "From: reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali) Subject: Do the 2MB ATI Ultra Pro 16 and 24 bit Windows Drivers Work? Organization: University of Texas at Austin Lines: 35 Hi there. We just bought a 486 DX2/66 Gateway system with a 2 meg ATI Ultra Pro video card. Everything seems to work fine except for the Windows Drivers for 800x600 24 bit, and 800x600 and 1024x768 16 bit modes. The fonts and icons start deteriorating after windows startup, and within minutes of use, everything on the screen is totally unintelligible. Naturally, I called Gateway tech support to inquire about this. The technician asked me about the drivers, and I told him it was version 1.5, build 59. He told me that the 16 and 24 bit drivers for the ATI Ultra Pro simply do not work!!! Is this true? If so, I'm simply amazed. How could this be? The strange thing is I would have expected to see some discussion on here (unless the subject has made the FAQ!!!). One very suspicious point that came up later was that he stated that none of the Windows Accelerator boards have working 16 and/or 24 bit drivers for Windows 3.1. I easily challenged him on that because I've been running a Diamond 24x in 15 bit mode at home for 4 months now, and I have tested and used the 24 bit mode as well. He then backed off and said: ""Well, Diamond has been working on those drivers much longer."" Anyway, I just wanted to see if anyone else had any trouble and what they did about it. Any feedback will be appreciated. The system configuration is: Gateway 486 DX2/66 Local Bus 16 Megs Ram SCSI HD & CD-ROM Ultrastor 34F Local Bus SCSI controller ATI Ultra Pro Local Bus with 2MB VRAM DOS 6.0 Windows 3.1 Mach 32 drivers version 1.5 (build 59) Thanks in advance. -- Ali R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu ";-1;0 "From: mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Alan Richardson) Subject: Re: How 2 Get Fontname from Fonstruct ??? Organization: University of Sussex Lines: 30 In article <1993Apr20.105725@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov> dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) writes: > >Anyone know how an application can retrieve the name of the font from >an application given an XFontStruct *? >Would XGetFontProperty work if I passed XA_FONT_NAME? >anyone know details of this? Thanks in advance. >Brian > >-- >Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at >dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing >!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan Try this: char *name=NULL; unsigned long value; if(XGetFontProperty(font, XA_FONT, value)) name=XGetAtomName(dpy, value); where dpy is your Display connection and font your XFontStruct pointer. -- Alan Richardson, * ""You don't have to be * School of Maths & Physical Sciences, * old to be wise"" * Univ. of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QH, ENGLAND * ******Judas Priest***** UK: mppa3@uk.ac.sussex.syma elsewhere: mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk ";-1;0 "From: khairon@usc.edu (Rosli Bin Khairon) Subject: Looking for Address of Noise Cancellation Tech. Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 14 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun130.usc.edu I am new to this newsgroup so I apologise if this is not the appropriate forum to ask this question. I am looking for the address of Noise Cancellation Technologies. It is rather important. So if you can help me in this regard, please do. Thank you. -- Rosli Khairon@aludra.usc.edu ";-1;0 "From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: 74ACT??? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 86 In article <1qhrq9INNlri@crcnis1.unl.edu> mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes: >OK, what's a quick rundown on all the 7400 series variations? We're >repairing something with a 74ACT00 on it and the question arises, ""well, >do i really need the ACT part?"" Flipping through Digi-Key I see >ALS, AS, C, HC, AC, ACQ, ACT, HCT, ACHT, HCTLS... Here's something I posted about this a few years ago. It's not fully up to date with all the new variations (some of which are just different manufacturer's synonyms): ------ In practical terms, ignoring the technological details, this is my view of the families (NB I am not a giant corporation, which influences my views on things like availability and backward compatibility): 74 The original. Speed good, power consumption fair. Effectively obsolete now; use 74LS or later, except for a *very* few oddball functions like 7407 which are hard to find in newer families. 74H Modification of 74 for higher speed, at the cost of higher power consumption. Very obsolete; use 74F. 74L Modification of 74 for lower power, at the cost of lower speed. Very obsolete; use CMOS. 74S Later modification of 74 for even higher speed, at some cost in power consumption. Effectively obsolete; use 74F. 74LS Combination of 74L and 74S, for speed comparable to 74 with lower power consumption. Best all-round TTL now, widest variety of devices. 74F Fast as blazes, power not too bad. The clear choice for high speed in TTL. Availability and prices generally good. 74AS Failed competitor to 74F, although a few 74AS parts do things that are hard to find in 74F and thus are still useful. 74ALS Possible replacement for 74LS. Generally souped up. Still fairly new, availability and prices possibly a problem. 74C Fairly old family, CMOS devices with TTL pinouts. Competed with 4000 series, not too successfully. Obsolete; use 4000 or newer CMOS 74 families. 4000 (Thrown in as the major non-74 non-ECL logic family.) The old CMOS family, still viable because of *very* wide range of devices, low power consumption, and wide range of supply voltages. Not fast. Very forgiving and easy to work with (beware static electricity, but that comment applies to many other modern logic families too). There are neat devices in this family that exist in no other. The clear choice when speed is not important. 74HC A new attempt at 74-pinout CMOS. Fast compared to old CMOS, power consumption often lower than TTL. Possibly a good choice for general-purpose logic, assuming availability and affordability. CMOS logic levels, *not* TTL ones. Beware very limited range of supply voltages compared to older CMOS, also major rise of power consumption at faster speeds. 74HCT 74HC with TTL logic levels. Much the same comments as 74HC. Read the fine print on things like power consumption -- TTL compatibility in CMOS involves some compromises. 10K (Thrown in for speed freaks.) The low end of ECL. Various sources claim that it is *easier* to work with than super-fast TTL for serious high-speed work. Less forgiving, though: read and follow the rules or it won't work. Availability to hobbyists limited, can be expensive. 100K (For real speed freaks.) Hot ECL. Harder to handle than 10K, and inconvenient packages. Much more useful datasheets, however. As for compatibility between families: the 74 families (except 74C and 74HC) are all more or less logic-level compatible, but how many 74X devices you can drive from one 74Y output varies enormously with X and Y. You just have to read the specs and do the arithmetic. 74C and 74HC are compatible with the others with a bit of hassle. 4000 compatibility can be a bit of hassle or a lot of hassle depending on what supply voltage 4000 is using. 10K or 100K to anything else is considerable hassle. Me? I use 4000 and 74LS with a sprinkling of 74F. 74HC[T] and 10K are interesting but I haven't used either significantly yet. -- All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ";11;1 "From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Suggestions on Audio relays ??? Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 23 In article billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes: >I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch >audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. I was doing >most of the common things one is supposed to do when using relays and >nothing seemed to get rid of the clicks. > > >My question is: > > Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching >audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines. > > >I will appreciate any advice or references to advice. Also, exact part >numbers/company names etc. for the relays will help! Are you switching high level signals or low level signals like pre-amp out level signals? Also, are the clicks you mentioning the big clack that happens when it switches or are you refering to contact bounce? How are you driving the relays? TTL gate output? Switching transistor? How are the relays connected to what you are driving? Need more specifics to answer your question!! :-) ";-1;0 "From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Organization: CDAC, WA Lines: 27 In article <1993Apr14.130427.21349@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) writes: > >In article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong Lam) writes: >|> Hello, >|> >|> Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine >|> compartment? Should I turn clockwise or counter? I tried any kind >|> of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed! >|> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable >|> bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too >|> tight, is it safe without oil leak? >|> Thank you very much in advance------ Winson I would suggest you take the car to the nearest Chevron dealer, with your own oil and filter. Ask for an oil change. It will cost less than $10. Watch him/her do it. Just from watching someone do a job, you will be able to learn and remember the sequence, and do it right when you do it yourself the next time. Besides, when he/she loosens the drain nut, the next time around it will be easier for you. If it is stuck, use an impact wrench. Not too much force though. Use a new washer each time you put the nut back..... -S ssave@ole.cdac.com ";-1;0 "From: geoffrey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (Geoff Thomas) Subject: Re: Help! 256 colors display in C. Keywords: graphics Article-I.D.: cantua.C533EM.Cv7 Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Lines: 21 Nntp-Posting-Host: huia.canterbury.ac.nz You'll probably have to set the palette up before you try drawing in the new colours. Use the bios interrupt calls to set the r g & b values (in the range from 0-63 for most cards) for a particular palette colour (in the range from 0-255 for 256 colour modes). Then you should be able to draw pixels in those palette values and the result should be ok. You might have to do a bit of colourmap compressing if you have more than 256 unique rgb triplets, for a 256 colour mode. Geoff Thomas geoffrey@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz Computer Science Dept. University of Canterbury Private Bag +-------+ Christchurch | Oook! | New Zealand +-------+ ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Mississippi River water and catfish: safe? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Distribution: usa Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 18 In article <1993Apr12.204033.126645@zeus.calpoly.edu> dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) writes: >I've been invited to spend a couple weeks this summer rafting down the >Mississippi. My journey partners want to live off of river water and >catfish along the route. Should I have any concerns about pollution or >health risks in doing this? You'd have to purify the river water first. I'm not sure how practical that is with the Mississippi. You'd better check with health agencies along the way to see if there are toxic chemicals in the river. If it is just microorganisms, those can be filtered or killed, but you may need activated charcoal or other means to purify from chemicals. Better be same than sorry. Obviously, drinking the river without processing it is likely to make you sick from bacteria and parasites. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: murray@src.dec.com (Hal Murray) Subject: Re: How do they know what keys to ask for? (Re: Clipper) Organization: DEC Systems Research Center Lines: 8 In article <1993Apr17.031520.13902@clarinet.com>, brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: |> The actual algorithm is classified, however, their main thrust here is |> for cellular phones, and encryption is only over the radio end, not |> end to end, I think. End to end will come later. Encrypting just the radio link doesn't make sense to me. That means the telco has to do the decryption, and hence they need the keys. How are they going to be kept secure? ";-1;0 "Subject: MAC to LaserJet IIIp From: osterber@husc8.harvard.edu (Richard Osterberg) Nntp-Posting-Host: husc8.harvard.edu Lines: 12 I have a friend who has a MAC (LC or LC II I think), and her family has an ""extra"" LaserJet IIIp sitting around. Is there any way to connect these two and make them work without a postscript cartridge? She told me that a random friend of hers had mentioned something about some software package that could do the translation... -Rick -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Rick Osterberg osterber@husc.harvard.edu 617-493-7784 617-493-3892 | | 2032 Harvard Yard Mail Center Cambridge, MA 02138-7510 USA | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ";0;1 "From: Robert Andrew Ryan Subject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: Excerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x: 19-Apr-93 Monthly Question about XCop.. Buzz Moschetti@bear.com (1055) > A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item to be drawn in the > Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() > (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the > new item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler > that handles ""regular"" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven > exposures) take care of rendering the new image. Hmmm.... Clearly? Depends on your programming model. It is not at all forbidden to draw outside the context of an expose event. Certainly any internal data structures should be maintained such that the visual appearance would be maintained properly whenever an expose event happens to be generated. This doesn't preclude drawing immediately after updating the datastructures though... -Rob ";-1;0 "From: george@ccmail.larc.nasa.gov (George M. Brown) Subject: QC/MSC code to view/save images Organization: Client Specific Systems, Inc. Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: thrasher.larc.nasa.gov Dear Binary Newsers, I am looking for Quick C or Microsoft C code for image decoding from file for VGA viewing and saving images from/to GIF, TIFF, PCX, or JPEG format. I have scoured the Internet, but its like trying to find a Dr. Seuss spell checker TSR. It must be out there, and there's no need to reinvent the wheel. Thanx in advance. ////////////// The Internet is like a Black Hole.... ";-1;0 "From: gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) Subject: re: mac portable vs. powerbook 100 answers (?) Organization: The MacInteresteds of Nashville, Tn. Lines: 37 Regarding the post for information about the Mac Portable and the Powerbook 100, here are a couple of the answers: (1) Does the Mac Portable support Appletalk? Yes (2) What CPU is in the Mac Portable? A low power version of the 68000 running at 15.87 Mhz. (3) Does the Mac Portable run system 7? Yes, although it does use up a lot of memory. (4) Is memory still availabe for the Portable? There are several vendors that still make RAM for the Portable. There are two options: Some vendors sell memory that plugs into the RAM Slot inside the portable. Others sell memory that plugs into the Processor Direct Slot. Either way, the most memory you can address is either 8 or 9 megabytes, depending on whether the Portable is Backlit or not. King Memory and Peripherials in Irvine California is the cheapest place I know of for Portable memory. 2MB - $140, 4 MB, $250, and 7 MB $415. I still see several ads in macuser that are selling 4 MB modules for $450. Wide variety in pricing here. (5) What is the internal HD? Its a Conner CP-3045 40 MB HD with an average access time of about 25 ms. (6) Is the screen better that the PB 100? Heavens yes! The PB 100 is a backlit PASSIVE matrix screen which means it fades out on you if you move your head a few degrees left or right. The Portable has a backlit or non-backlit ACTIVE Matrix screen which I think is a joy to read. Other things to consider - Where to get the portable and how much to pay for it? A good supplier has been SelectTerm in Mass. They were willing to sell a 2MB Non-backlit Portable with an internal 2400 bps modem for about $650. Or a 4 MB Backlit Portable with an internal 2400 bps modem for about $900. The answer is call around for a good while or you'll pay too much. I'm still looking for an internal FAX modem for the portable? Anybody got one they want to sell? -- Good Luck, Gene Wright -- gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville ";-1;0 "From: Peter Todd Chan Subject: Klipsch Forte 2 SPKRS 4 Sale Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu ITEM: Klipsch Forte 2 Speakers CONDITION: Mint AGE: 6 months old PRICE: $1000/pair (retail: $1400/pair) These speakers are in perfect condition and used only in audiophile system. They are floor standing and come with all the original packagaing and literature. They are also still under warranty. If you are interested or have any questions, please feel free to e-mail (pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call me at home. Thanks, Jon (412) 882-6425 ";-1;0 "From: gregg@netcom.com (gregg weber) Subject: What inexpensive monochrome X station can you recommend? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 10 Can someone recommend an inexpensive 19"" monochrome X station, that is not PC software emulation based? Please tell me manufacturer, model, price and any other significant specs. Thanks. -- ================================================================ Gregg Weber Let it be, open and bright like the sky, gregg@netcom.com Without taking sides, with no clouds of concepts. (510) 283-6264 - kun-mkhyen klong-chen-pa ================================================================ ";-1;0 "From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 35 In article <1993Apr16.174436.22897@midway.uchicago.edu> pkgeragh@gsbphd.uchicago.edu (Kevin Geraghty) writes: >wrong about the whole guns-for-protection mindset, it ignores the >systemic effects of cumulative individual actions. If you want fire >insurance on your house that's prudent and it has no effect on me; but >if you and a bunch of other paranoids are packing handguns in the >backcountry it makes me, and anyone else who doesn't chose to protect >himself in this manner, pretty f**king nervous. Why? If you're not a threat, you're not affected at all. >I mean, take this to its logical conclusion, suppose we all carried >handguns all the time, for protection from all the other people >carrying handguns. Would we collectively be, or feel, safer? Hell no. >We'd feel a lot more insecure. Why? I note that the available psych info says that feelings of security INCREASE. The victimization stats say that that increase is rational. >Another systemic effect of all the ""good"" people protecting themselves >is that the ""bad"" people are going to modify their behavior in >response: Yes, they are, but how? >they're going to be much itchier and much more willing to >kill people in the course of routine muggings if they think their Nope - that doesn't happen. Instead the switch (among those who change behaviors) to property crimes. That's an improvement even if the economic take is unchanged. Sure - not everyone switches, but they were killing before. -andy -- ";-1;0 "From: webster@ucssun1.sdsu.EDU (paolini p) Subject: ftp:UNIX-dos-UNIX Organization: The Internet Lines: 13 To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu I'm an new to this. Having found some files (public) to look into, I ftp'ed them to a system I have access to. I then used kermit to transmit them via modem to my host computer, a PC-based file system. I access internet through modem access to a university mainframe. From the PC file server, I pull the files to a disk, and then pull them from disk to a SGI Indigo (the SGI is not networked yet). When I try to uncompress and un-tar the files, they either come out as garbage or I get an error in the tar process about directories being invalid. What I'm wondering about is the transfer of UNIX files (compressed, binary,ascii) about multiple platforms. My guess is that it is the copy to a 'dos' disk that is screwing things up. Any help is appreciated. bob ";12;1 "From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com Subject: Get a life Organization: 4th Dimension BBS Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Hey Serdar, What nationality are you anyway? You are the supreme geek of geekdom of the usenet. You are laeding a totally useless and futile life on your computer Mr. Wimpy. You are the epitamy of a coward.I can predict that you will spend the rest of your useless, wastefull and pitifull life on the Usenet. What a wasted life. ******************************************************************** System: fourd.com Phone: 617-494-0565 Cute quote: Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry ******************************************************************** ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Can't Breathe -- Update From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) Distribution: world Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu's message of 5 Apr 93 19:06:39 -0600Lines: 17 Lines: 17 Thanks to all those who responded to my original post on this question. The final diagnosis was Stress. I did not take her for a chiropractic adjustment. (Rachel receives all her medical care at Keller Army Hospital since she is a military dependant, and the Army does not yet provide chiropractic adjustments as part of its regular health care.) I am hoping that the arrival of (1) Spring Break, and (2) College Acceptance Letters, will help. *UNFORTUNATELY* she was wait-listed at the college she most dearly wanted to attend, so it seems as though that stressor may just continue for a while. :-( Meanwhile she is going on a camping trip with her religious youth group for spring break, which seems like a good stress-reliever to me. Thanks again for everybody's help/advice/suggestions/ideas. ------------------------ Ruth Ginzberg Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA ";-1;0 "From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON) Subject: Re: History question Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 23 In article <2775@snap> paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes: >This is vague, so I am posting it in case anyone else knows more. > >I recall reading of a phonograph which used mechanical amplification. >Compressed air was squirted out of a valve which was controlled by the >pickup. The result was noisy and distinctly lo-fi, but much louder NASA and related agencies apparently used this same principles to create the loudest reported reproduced sound. They used an ""analog"" electrically controlled valve to control the flow of air across a horn throat. If I remember correctly it was called a ""modulated air blast transducer"". There were reports of the thing being able to produce 106 dB @ 80 Hz @ 10 mile distance, communicate directly with fighter pilots @ 5000 ft, etc. Regards, Gordon. -- WATERS,CLYDE GORDON-BME '93-Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta Ga. ""Out of the mountain of despair, we can hew the stone of hope""- MLK Jr. uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0869a Internet: gt0869a@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: montuno@physics.su.OZ.AU (Lino Montuno) Subject: CPU Temperature vs CPU Activity ? Nntp-Posting-Host: physics.su.oz.au Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia Lines: 8 This may be a very naive question but is there any basis for the claim that a CPU will get hotter when a computationally intensive job is running? My friend claims that there will be little difference in the temperature of an idle CPU and a CPU running a computationally intensive job. Lino Montuno ";5;1 "From: pepke@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke) Subject: Re: Societal basis for morality Organization: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them Lines: 13 In article merlyn@digibd.digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy) writes: >Prayer in school is legal; what is illegal is telling children >what to pray, or not to pray. Many people confuse ""you can't >tell kids that they ought to pray now"" with ""kids aren't allowed >to pray"", possibly because so few kids do so without being told. Or perhaps it's because they think that all governmental bodies should be in the business of suppressing all beliefs other than their own, or else they're some sort of Satanic Humanist Conspiracy. It's the old ""if you're not for us you're against us"" bit. -EMP ";-1;0 "From: mgqlu@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Max Lu) Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: usa Lines: 12 We are working on gas-solid adsorption air-con system for auto applications. In this kind of system, the energy for regenerating the adsorbent is from the exhaust gas. Anyone interested in this mail email me or follow up this thread, we may have a discussion on prospects of this technology. Max -- Max G Q Lu, PhD | Internet: mgqlu@ntu.ac.sg Division of Thermal Enginerring | Bitnet: mgqlu@ntuvax.bitnet School of MPE, Nanyang Technological University | Phone: (65) 7994818 Nanyang Avenue, Singapore 2263 | Fax: (65) 7911859 ";-1;0 "From: kbanner@philae.sas.upenn.edu (Ken Banner) Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 51 In article koberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) writes: >.....................................................There is dis- >crepancy even among charismatic organizations as to the proper use >of tongues. Be it revelatory with interpretation, for prayer use, >or for signifying believers (which I doubt since any one can do it). >Pentecostals (Assembly of God, Church of Christ), seem to espouse all >three. Neo-pentecostals tend to view prayer use and as a sign as the >uses. Speaking in tongues during a service is not usually done by >neo-pentecostals because for the most part, they still attend Protestant >churches. Non-denominational churches seem to view the use as a sign >as merely optional, but recommended. Koberg, Just a couple of minor corrections here... 1) The Churches of Christ do not usually believe in speaking in tongues, in fact many of them are known for being strongly opposed to Pentecostal teaching. You are probably thinking of Church of God in Christ, the largest African-American Pentecostal denomination. 2) I'm not sure what you mean by ""signifying believers"" but it should be pointed out that the Assemblies of God does not now, nor has it ever, held that speaking in tongues is the sign that one is a Christian. The doctrine that traditional Pentecostals (including the A/G) maintain is that speaking in tongues is the sign of a second experience after becoming a Christian in which one is ""Baptized in the Holy Spirit"" That may be what you were referring to, but I point this out because Pentecostals are frequently labeled as believing that you have to speak in tongues in order to be a Christian. Such a position is only held by some groups and not the majority of Pentecostals. Many Pentecostals will quote the passage in Mark 16 about ""these signs following them that believe"" but they generally do not interpret this as meaning if you don't pactice the signs you aren't ""saved"". 3) I know it's hard to summarize the beliefs of a movement that has such diversity, but I think you've made some pretty big generalizations here. Do ""Neo-Pentecostals"" only believe in tongues as a sign and tongues as prayer but NOT tongues as revelatory with a message? I've never heard of that before. In fact I would have characterized them as believing the same as Pentecostals except less likely to see tongues as a sign of Spirit Baptism. Also, while neo-Pentecostals may not be inclined to speak in tongues in the non-Pentecostal churches they attend, they do have their own meetings and, in many cases, a whole church will be charismatic. Ken Banner Dept. of Religious Studies University of Pennsylvania kbanner@philae.sas.upenn.edu ";-1;0 "From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) Subject: Re: Capital Gains tax increase ""loses"" money Organization: NWO Steering Committee Distribution: na Lines: 46 In <1993Apr15.045651.6892@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu sez: >In article <1993Apr14.135227.8579@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: >> >> No, I'm saying any long term investor (the ones likely to have large >>capital gains) would be foolish to sell in order to avoid a tax hike that a) >>might disappear in any given year and b) be overcome in a year or two by >>accumlated gains. > >To which my response is--so what? Not all people who pay capital gains >taxes are long term investors. More than enough of them aren't for there >to be huge blip whenever capital gains taxes get raised. > I never said that *everyone* would find this advantageous. I said that >more than enough would for the result to be readily noticeable and distort >""trends"". Even if Brett's eventual-return figures were correct -- and they clearly weren't -- he'd still be wrong about the cause for the '86 blip because he fails to consider 2 basic factors: 1) As Ted notes, not everyone is a long-term investor. One might find oneself, as I did in late 1986, anticipating expenses in the near term that require selling off holdings. Given the choice between waiting a few weeks (and taking an extra tax hit) or selling in December with preferential tax treatment, only a fool would choose the former. 2) The fact that Brett can now construct _post hoc_ calculations of what would have been more beneficial to investors is in many respects beside the point. There was plenty of _Money_-style advice given to unsophisticated investors in late 1986 to ""sell now and save on taxes."" In case anyone missed it, there was no shortage of similar advice late last year (in the NYTimes, e.g.), even though that advice was based not on the foregone conclusion of enacted law (as in 1986), but merely on the *assumption* that Clinton would raise tax rates (without capping CG taxes, contrary to the current proposal). It's nice to think that investors always behave in their optimal economic interest. Like assuming weightless ropes and frictionless pulleys, though, this sort of thinking often fails to describe accurately what happens in the real world. -- MORAL: Always Choose the Right Sort of Parents Before You Start in to be Rough - George Ade Mark Eckenwiler eck@panix.com ...!cmcl2!panix!eck ";-1;0 "Subject: Re: Can Microwaves Be Used To Collect XYZ Coordinates From: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik Nntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch Lines: 63 In article <1993Apr15.103953.66252@cc.usu.edu> writes: > In article , rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: > > |> It seems reasonable to me that a microwave transmitter-receiver setup could > |> do the job. For example, say you want to map an acre lot, it'd be convenient > |> to place MW transmitters around the lot's periphery (either 2 or 3) and then > |> carry a hand-held recorder and walk to a point on the lot, press a button and > |> the coords of the recorder's location is stored as digital data. > |> > |> What's the chance of this working? Any systems like this already exist? > |> What kind of accuracy could you expect? What would something like this > |> cost to prototype? Is there a better alternative than microwaves? > > Of course you could develope this system, but there is already a system called Global > Positioning Satellites. It gives three dimensional coordinates anywhere on earth. > Many surveyors use this system with a differential receiver/transmitter to get > coordinates within centimeters. Basic receivers with resolution of a few meters (on > a good day) are available from many sources. > > > -- > WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMW > > \_ \_ \_\_\_ \_\_\_ Weston R Beal > \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ sldf3@sol.ee.usu.edu > \_ \_ \_ \_\_\_ \_\_\_ sldf3@cc.usu.edu > \_\_ \_\_ \_ \_ \_ \_ Electrical Engineer > \_ \_ \_ \_ \_\_\_ Utah State University > > ""That's the wonderful thing about crayons; they can take you to > more places than a starship can."" - Guinon > > Thought it means Global Positioning System. There are two precision levels, one for army applications (killing has to be very accurate today) and one for civil ones. The civil precision is about 20 to 30m (correct me, if I'm wrong), though, it may be insufficiant for mapping buildings. But there is a way with an additional reference point (e.g. one fixed GPS system in a house) to get the same high precision as the military version, but it gets pretty complicated then. If You use a microwave system (actually this means some type of radar), You need quite a lot of number crunching to get accurate vectorized data out of Your original signals. So the GPS system seems to be the better (and running) idea for Your application(there have been discussions in this newsgroup, don't know of an address anymore). Cheers Robert (HB9NBY) -- Robert Ganter /------------\ Universitaet Basel | I am a fan | Institut fuer Informatik | of my plan | Basel/Switzerland \------------/ ganter@ifi.unibas.ch amateurradio: HB9NBY packet: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU ";-1;0 "From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 43 In article <1qh61m$b6l@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >It's a bit hard to ""prove"" a point like this, but I can compare the I was hoping for something like ""The chassis exhibits X degrees of flex when subjected to forces of more than Y units. Forces of more than Y units begin to manifest at Z miles per hour."" Not ""Well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast because, uhh, well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast. It's not a Porsche, you know"". >come with better seatbelts, more supportive seats, a stronger >passenger compartment cage, better brakes, a stiffer suspension, >different tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero >effects to keep the car on the ground. What *do* they come with? Well, as compared to the normal Taurus, the SHO comes with more supportive seats,better brakes,a stiffer suspension, different tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero effects to keep the car on the ground (or at least I think that's what all that boy-racer plastic is for). You're kidding yourself if you think any car on the road has a passenger compartment made to withstand 130 MPH impacts. >Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed Oh, right. Only 120,000 dollar cars should be driven fast. They drive goddamn Rabbits at 120 MPH in Europe, pal, and I reckon a Taurus is at least as capable as a Rabbit. >certainly haven't convinced me. Of course not. ""Speeding-is-bad. Speeding-is-illegal. I-will-not-speed. I-love-Big-Brother."" You had your mind made up already. It's interesting that lots of the roads out west had *NO* speed limits until 1975. wr ";-1;0 "From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Lines: 39 gstovall@crchh67.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Greg Stovall) writes: >Anyway, over the weekend, I was resting on the sofa (in between chores), >and noticed that I briefly picked up what sounded like ham radio traffic >over my stereo and television, even though both were off. Also, all the >touch sensitive lights in my house start going wacko, cycling through >their four brightness states. >I presume that some ham operator with an illegal amplifier drove past >my house (I live on a busy thoroughfare); would this be a correct presumption? >What kind of power must he be putting out to cause the effects? >The affected equipment is about 100 feet from the road... Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however, that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. Ham rigs for cars put out around 100 watts. It is possible that a 100 watt radio would cause interference to consumer electronic 100 feet away. Most TVs, stereos, and VCRs have very poor RF shielding. If you experience the problem frequently, it may be caused by a ham, CBer, or other radio operator in a base station nearby. The interference may have been caused by a radio transmitter used for other purposes, such as police, fire, etc. If you heard voices over your stereo, I think you are correct in assuming that the source is an RF transmitter. If you have frequent trouble, you may want to try the RF ferrite chokes available at Radio Shack. The interference is probably being picked up by your speaker wires, and those chokes can be installed on the wires very easily (without cutting them). Good instructions are included with the chokes. If that does not solve the problem, you may want to search your neighborhood for a radio operator. Look for antennas on the roof or car. Talk to him/her about your problem. There are things a radio operator can do to reduce interference. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randall Rhea Informix Software, Inc. Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall ";-1;0 "From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: microb0.biostat.washington.edu In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: >If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a >crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size. If your >primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big >spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a >small one). So what should I carry if I want to comply with intelligent helmet laws? (The above comment in no way implies support for any helmet law, nor should such support be inferred. A promise is a promise.) Steve __________________________________________________________________________ Steve L. Moseley moseley@u.washington.edu Microbiology SC-42 Phone: (206) 543-2820 University of Washington FAX: (206) 543-8297 Seattle, WA 98195 ";-1;0 "From: se92psh@brunel.ac.uk (Peter Hauke) Subject: Re: Grayscale Printer Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: na Lines: 13 Jian Lu (jian@coos.dartmouth.edu) wrote: : We are interested in purchasing a grayscale printer that offers a good : resoltuion for grayscale medical images. Can anybody give me some : recommendations on these products in the market, in particular, those : under $5000? : Thank for the advice. -- *********************************** * Peter Hauke @ Brunel University * *---------------------------------* * se92psh@brunel.ac.uk * *********************************** ";-1;0 "From: ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg Subject: V-max handling request Lines: 5 Nntp-Posting-Host: v9001.ntu.ac.sg Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore hello there ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly comment on its handling . ";-1;0 "From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty) Subject: Re: Motor Voter Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery Lines: 13 In article , kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) wrote: > > When I entered 1st grade, Eisenhower was President and John F. Kennedy > was just a relatively obscure Senator from New England. So how old do > you think I am now? Ask me whether I'm surprised that you haven't managed to waddle out of college after all this time. -- Lefty (lefty@apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:. ";18;1 "From: acunerbb@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (B. Bilal Acuner) Subject: Turkish Preisident Turgut Ozal passed away Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu Turkish president Turgur Ozal has passed away today after a heart attack in Ankara at 11:00 am GMT . Mr. Ozal was 66 years old. BahadIr Acuner acunerbb@csugrad.cs.vt.edu ";-1;0 "From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: FAQs Article-I.D.: mojo.1pst9uINN7tj Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu In article <10505.2BBCB8C3@nss.org>, freed@nss.org (Bev Freed) writes: >I was wondering if the FAQ files could be posted quarterly rather than monthly >. Every 28-30 days, I get this bloated feeling. Or just stick 'em on sci.space.news every 28-30 days? Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- ";-1;0 "From: jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel) Subject: Re: HELP: Need modem info for Duo 210 Article-I.D.: agate.1qo9c6$8oj Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes: >Hi... what alternatives to the Express modem do Duo owners have (if >they want to go at least 9600 baud)? >Every place in town says they are back ordered, and part of the reason >I want a laptop mac is so I can use it as a remote terminal from >wherever I am, but I really would hate to have to wait 2 months to get >a modem in or have to settle with 2400 baud. You're not going to like this, but if memory serves me, postings I've read in this newsgroup and elsewhere indicate that there are no, repeat no, internal modems for the Duo besides the Express Modem... at _any_ speed. Something having to do with the modem using the main CPU for some of its tasks, and Apple not releasing details on the architecture, or something. I'm vague on the details, but the gist was that there are going to be no third-party internal Duo modems. If I'm wrong, somebody please correct me on this. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Joel -- Joel Siegel ""I myself have never been able to find out what feminism is: I only know that I am called a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."" -Rebecca West, 1913 ";-1;0 "From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: thoughts on christians In-Reply-To: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM's message of 16 Apr 93 05: 10:18 GMT Organization: Compaq Computer Corp Lines: 26 >>>>> On 16 Apr 93 05:10:18 GMT, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) said: RB> In article pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger) writes: >EVER HEAR OF >BAPTISM AT BIRTH? If that isn't preying on the young, I don't know what >is... > RB> RB> No, that's praying on the young. Preying on the young comes RB> later, when the bright eyed little altar boy finds out what the RB> priest really wears under that chasible. The same thing Scotsmen where under there kilt. I'll never forget the day when I was about tweleve and accidently walked in on a roomfull of priests sitting around in their underware drinking beer and watching football. Kind of changed my opinion a bit. They didn't seem so menacing after that. -- Ed McCreary ,__o edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, ""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) ";9;1 "From: gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a KAAN,TIMUCIN) Subject: Re: Public Service Translation No.2 Keywords: effective Greek & Armenian postings Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 21 Who the hell is this guy David Davidian. I think he talks too much.. Yo , DAVID you would better shut the f... up.. O.K ?? I don't like your attitute. You are full of lies and shit. Didn't you hear the saying ""DON'T MESS WITH A TURC!!""... See ya in hell.. Timucin. -- KAAN,TIMUCIN Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1091a Internet: gt1091a@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: weinss@rs6101.ecs.rpi.edu (Stephen Andrew Weinstein) Subject: New Religion Forming -- Sign Up Summary: Read it. Worthwhile. Laughs & serious questions about real religion. Keywords: Eveism, religion, Nntp-Posting-Host: rs6101.ecs.rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY Lines: 102 Let me begin by saying I think this is the world's first religion to use the net as its major recruitment medium. Therefore, even if this religion does not take off, its founding members will be very important historically as this method of soliciting membership will eventually become common. The basis of this religion is to apply various aspects of current conventional morality to the characters in Genesis and Exodus but assume that the Bible's accounts of the facts and historical events is correct. For example, Story of Adam and Eve: Adam and Eve are in Garden of Eden naked and ignorant. Have unlimited supply of food provided, but no clothing, jobs, or knowledge. God says not to eat fruit of tree of knowledge. They do anyway, then try to hide in bushes. God finds them and forces them out of Garden. (There are several different stories on what they were doing while naked in the bushes that might have angered God.) Traditional Philosophy: 1. The only reason you need knowledge or a job is to eat. If someone else will provide you with food, then you can be stupid and unemployed and it's OK. This is why married women usually didn't work until recent decades. 2. Authority figures, such as God, whoever was behind the Vietnam War, Hitler and slaveowners, are always right and should be blindly followed without question by ordinary people, who can't make decisions for themselves. Interpretation of events based on Traditional Philosophy: They were not supposed to eat the fruit. They should have done whatever God told them to. Like small children, they had their needs provided for and were obligated to do whatever their ""Father"" said to. Being forced to leave the Garden and work in order to obtain food was a punishment. Lessons from Traditional Interpretation: 1. Ignorance is good. Knowledge is bad, but tempting. 2. Having food provided for you for nothing (read ""welfare"") is ideal. Get- ting a job and feeding yourself with what you earn is punishment. 3. Public nudity is good. Covering up is bad. 4. Authority figures are intrinsically right. Normal people are dumb and should do whatever they are told without question. They should not think for themselves. 5. People in subordinate positions are especially obligated to refrain from learning. For example, it should be illegal for slaves to learn to read. 1990's philosophy: 1. People should seek education and employment outside the home, unless named ""Hillary Clinton"" or ""Murphy Brown"". 2. People should use common sense. They should not kill other people (binding of Issac, wars, Holocaust, etc.) just because they are told to. Interpretation of events based on current philosophy: They were supposed to eat the fruit. God gave wanted them to seek knowledge rather than be handed it on a silver platter. Once they had gained knowledge and (by seeking it) showed their ability to make mature decisions for them- selves, they no longer needed to be treated like little children and were REWARDED by being allowed into the ""real world."" Lessons from new interpretation: 1. Ignorance is bad. Knowledge is good, but must be sought. 2. Having food provided for you for nothing (read ""welfare"") is at best a temporary measure. Getting a job and feeding yourself with what you earn is ideal. 3. Public nudity is bad. Covering up is good. 4. Authority figures are often wrong. Normal people are intelligent and should consider whether the instructions are really a good idea and ""alter or abolish"" bad governments. They should think for themselves. 5. People in subordinate decisions are often discouraged from knowledge but should seek it anyway, and all the harder. For example, poor children without good schools should work especially hard in order to make a better life for their children (and themselves). I have tentatively named this new philosophy ""The Church of Eveism"" because Eve's decision to eat the apple is man[sic]kind's first good decision, instead of its first bad one, as traditionally believed. She is therefore clearly a protagonist. God at first appears evil, for telling people not to seek knowledge but on deeper analysis is also a protagonist. As God rewarded the decision to defy him, and provided the tree in the first place, the intention and desire were clearly to have the knowledge be obtained, but to delay it until it was actively sought. ---End serious discussion. Begin humor.-- Save this post to disk (or file server). Someday it will be considered the most important writing since the 10 Commandments. You want an original copy. Stay tuned for the RFD on soc.religion.eveism... Can I get a tax deduction for money I donate to this organization? --Return to serious discussion when posting follow-ups.-- Stephen Weinstein weinss@rpi.edu ";-1;0 "From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Subject: Re: Remember those names come election time. Keywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Lines: 15 I said: In article nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: > > Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement > there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or > (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia. Non-whites > don't count? Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are ""oil rich"", ""loaded with petro-dollars"", etc so they don't count. ...and let's not forget Somalia, which is about as far from white as it gets. That's two in a row, care to try for more? ";15;1 "From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) Subject: Re: 1993 NL East Champion PHILLIES Article-I.D.: usenet.C51J5C.AMx Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: poppy.journalism.indiana.edu Robert C Hite writes > Here are the projected lineups, benches, rotation and bullpen for > the 1993 National League East Champion Philadelphia Phillies: I think the only Phillies in effect here are Philly Blunts. Of course, if this all becomes true, I'll be the first to smoke one myself. -- David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 *-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* ***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** *------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* ";-1;0 "From: marcbg@feenix.metronet.com (Marc Grant) Subject: Adult Chicken Pox Organization: Tx Metronet Communications Services, Dallas Tx Distribution: usa Lines: 13 I am 35 and am recovering from a case of Chicken Pox which I contracted from my 5 year old daughter. I have quite a few of these little puppies all over my bod. At what point am I no longer infectious? My physician's office says when they are all scabbed over. Is this true? Is there any medications which can promote healing of the pox? Speed up healing? Please e-mail replies, and thanks in advance. -- |Marc Grant | Internet: marcbg@feenix.metronet.com | |POB 850472 | Amateur Radio Station N5MEI | |Richardson, TX 75085| Voice/Fax: 214-231-3998 | - .... .- - ... .- .-.. .-.. ..-. --- .-.. -.- ... ";-1;0 "From: griffith@egr.msu.edu (Terry Griffith) Subject: orchid fahrenheit sparkel...the answers...... Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering Lines: 21 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: elvira.egr.msu.edu OK..... thanks to all of you who responded to my post. here's the ""official"" response from orchid.. Orchid is aware of the problem, the new rev of the board (rev d) SHOULD (not would) take care of the problem. production was scheduled to start on april 15, I have no confirmation that production did start on this day just the word of the tech on the other line. now the flame...... you would think a company like Orchid who has produced good quality products in the past would be more helpfull and willing to make right on a screwup of theirs. very poor tech support (the first 2 times I called I must have spoke with the janitor because they where talking craziness) the last time I talked to a tech named ""paul"" and he seemed to have a pretty good idea what was going on. until these problems are resovled neither myself nor my department will buy or recommend orchid products. flame off..... again thanks to all of you who answered my post. Terry ";-1;0 "From: prunet@zephir.inria.fr (Vincent Prunet) Subject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr) Lines: 55 In article , buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) writes: |> (2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered) |> |> Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that |> contains |> Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item |> to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() |> |> (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the |> new |> item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler that |> handles |> ""regular"" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven exposures) take care |> of rendering the new image. Using an expose event handler is a ""proper"" |> way |> to do this because at the time the handler is called, the Xlib Window is |> guaranteed to be mapped. |> |> The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window |> is already visible and mapped. What we need to do is somehow ""tickle"" the |> Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable |> it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item. |> |> What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior? To incrementally update the contents of windows, I use the following trick: 1. Set the window background to None, 2. Call XClearArea(display, window, 0, 0, 0, 0, True), 3. Restore the window background to its correct value. The call to XClearArea does not repaint the window background, but still generates exposure events for visible parts of the window. In order to let my application know that these expose events must be handled incrementally (something is already displayed on the screen and may need to be erased), I encapsulate the 3 operations with 2 self addressed client messages, which preserve asynchronicity between the client and the server. XGrabServer(display) client message (start-incremental) background None XClearArea Restore background client message (end-incremental) XUngrabServer(display) The GrabServer prevents other events to be inserted by the server in the critical section. --- Vincent Prunet, Sema Group Sophia Antipolis INRIA BP 93 06902 SOPHIA ANTIPOLIS Cedex FRANCE prunet@sophia.inria.fr, (33) 93 65 78 42, Fax:(33) 93 65 77 66 ";-1;0 "From: anuster@wam.umd.edu (Anu Tuli) Subject: Car for Sale Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: usa Lines: 35 From mikefran Wed Apr 21 10:55:39 EDT 1993 Article: 56 of csc.general Newsgroups: dc.forsale,dc.general,um.general,csc.general Path: wam.umd.edu!mikefran From: mikefran@wam.umd.edu (Michael Francis) Subject: Car for Sale Message-ID: <1993Apr21.142729.7039@wam.umd.edu> Keywords: 1981 Volkswagon Scirocco Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: csc,um,dc Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:27:29 GMT 1981 Volkswagon Scirocco Gold exterior and interior 5 speed transmission AM/FM Stereo with cassette Sunroof Engine in good condition New Tires Needs $300 work on front left control arm because of damage caused by pothole. Runs well Asking $800.00 AS IS / OBO. email: mikefran@wam.umd.edu ";-1;0 "From: mvanmeet@ua.d.umn.edu (Mike VanMeeteren) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu In article mobasser@vu-vlsi.ee.vill.edu (Bijan Mobasseri) writes: >> There are two simple procedures for alterating any odometer. >> >>1. Mechanical driven odometer: >> Remove the speedo cable from the transmission. >> Attach a drill and run at max speed until the speedo turns over. >> Continue until the desired mileage is reached. >==================================== >Admittedly an irrelavent question:for how long should the drill be running? > >Bijan A verrrrrry long time, like on the order of days. I had the pleasure of doing that once (playing with the speedo cable) and with my B&D heavy duty at full speed (600 rpm) all the speedo ever got up to was 30 MPH. Now if you go a high speed drill and ran it at say 4000 rpm, you could get 200 MPH out of it. (If you speedo doesn't burn out.) Anyways, to roll a 100000 Mile odometer would take 22 days or so. Much easier just to take the speedo apart. Thought I'd share. BTW, all this info was obtained legally :-) -- (~)~)~) o /) _ Computer Lesson One: There is no ""any"" key, alternate keys / / / / /_) /_) are ,,, / / (_(_/ (_/\_ and sometimes . mvanmeet@ub.d.umn.edu -consultant at lab ";-1;0 "From: ken@austin.ibm.com Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? Originator: ken@daedalus.austin.ibm.com Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 50 In article , ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes: > In article <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) writes: > > >Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a > >multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc. I certainly haven't > >seen this to be the case. There are seperate accounts for each person, > >and even seperate directories if that is desired. I don't see an > >implentation of simultaneuos use though. > > Since running any GUI over a network is going to slow it down by a > fair amount, I expect Windows NT will be multiuser only in the sense > of sharing filesystems. Someone will likely write a telnetd for it so > one could run character-based apps, but graphics-based apps will have > to be shared by running the executables on the local CPU. This is how > things are shaping up everywhere: client-server architectures are > taking over from the old cpu-terminal setups. > > Note that the NeXT does this: you can always telnet into a NeXT and > run character-based apps but you can't run the GUI. (Yeah, I know > about X-Windows, just haven't been too impressed by it...).. > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala > Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach > Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! I read this in an electronic ""magazine"" about NT: ""And for all the hoopla about NT, one would think the thing would be multi-user but it's not. It supports only one user at a time. It can support multiple clients but only one actual user."" Your mileage may vary! -- THIS POSTING DOES NOT REPRESENT THE OPINIONS OF MY EMPLOYERS. ------------------------------------------------------------------ ""I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to leave the store, mam"" Ash, AoD ================================================================== ";-1;0 "From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) Subject: ABC coverage Distribution: usa Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 9 Originator: icop@csa I loved the ABC coverage. The production was excellent. The appearance was excellent. It had a sleek modern look. This was the first time I heard Thorne & Clement & I thought they were great. My only request is to leave Al Micheals out of this. He annoys me. I'm hoping this leads to a regular-season contract. My guess would be is that it will be roughly a weekly game from Feb.-April and then the playoffs. I envy you Canadians with your TSN & CBC. Maybe I'll get a dish to pick up Canadian TV. How much are those things, BTW? ";-1;0 "From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) Subject: Re: More on ADL spying case Organization: State University of New York at Albany Lines: 6 I don't think Yigal and his friends have had as much fun for years, if ever, as they're getting over this ADL business. The publicity is likely to generate some speaker's fees, too. --Mark ";-1;0 "From: john@gu.uwa.edu.au (John West) Subject: Re: Protection of serial (RS232) lines Keywords: serial protection Article-I.D.: uniwa.1pqp7f$h16 Organization: The University of Western Australia Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes: >There is at least one optically-isolated RS-232 transceiver chip. I >don't remember where I saw it. RS Components (they exist in Australia and the UK. Don't know about the US) have little chips called Isolated MAX 250 and 251. They give you isolated RS-232 from a single 5V supply. External components are 4 caps, 4 optoisolators, a diode, and an isloting transformer. They go up to 19.2K baud.. John West -- For the humour impaired: Insert a :-) after every third word ";-1;0 "From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 20 Living things maintain small electric fields to (1) enhance certain chemical reactions, (2) promote communication of states with in a cell, (3) communicate between cells (of which the nervous system is a specialized example), and perhaps other uses. These electric fields change with location and time in a large organism. Special photographic techniques such as applying external fields in Kirillian photography interact with these fields or the resistances caused by these fields to make interesting pictures. Perhaps such pictures will be diagonistic of disease problems in organisms when better understood. Perhaps not. Studying the overall electric activity of biological systems is several hundred years old, but not a popular activity. Perhaps, except in the case of a few tissues like nerves and the electric senses of fishes, it is hard to reduce the investigation into small pieces that can be clearly analyzed. There are some hints that manipulating electric fields is a useful therapy such as speeding the healing of broken bones, but not understood why. Bioelectricity has a long association with mysticism. Ideas such as Frankenstein reanimation go back to the most early electrical experiments on tissue such as when Volta invented the battery. I personally don't care to revert to supernatural cause to explain things we don't yet understand. ";-1;0 "From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley) Subject: compiling clients on a Sun IPX Organization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C. Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: bal1.mc.duke.edu Originator: ndd@bal1 I'm trying to set up an IPX for another group. I copied all the X stuff that I compiled on my 4/280 (which runs SunOS 4.1.1) using gcc 2.1, and most things run just fine. however, I did find a couple of bugs, and when I try to recompile those clients on the IPX (which runs 4.1.3), I get ld: Undefined symbol _XShapeQueryExtension _XShapeCombineMask I know that I can include libXext and get rid of those messages, but I can't figure out why I get them on the IPX and not on the 4/280. any ideas? -- Ned Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu) Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory Box 3140, Duke University Medical Center Durham, NC 27710 (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100 ";-1;0 "From: rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel J Rubin) Subject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: zion.cis.ohio-state.edu > Hi there, > Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found > on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would > be greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance. Try Parts Express in Dayton, Ohio also. They have a complete line of professional arcade buttons, joysticks etc... The have a 1-800 number so call 1-800-555-1212 and ask them what the 1-800 number for Part Express in Dayton, Ohio is. I love the free 1-800 directory assistance... - Dan -- Daniel Joseph Rubin rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu GO BENGALS! GO BUCKS! ";-1;0 "From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Subject: More technical details Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 116 Here are some corrections and additions to Hellman's note, courtesy of Dorothy Denning. Again, this is reposted with permission. Two requests -- first, note the roles of S1 and S2. It appears to me and others that anyone who knows those values can construct the unit key. And the nature of the generation process for K1 and K2 is such that neither can be produced alone. Thus, the scheme cannot be implemented such that one repository generates the first half-key, and another generates the second. *That* is ominous. Second -- these postings are not revealed scripture, nor are they carefully-crafted spook postings. Don't attempt to draw out hidden meanings (as opposed to, say, the official announcements of Clipper). Leave Denning out of this; given Hellman's record of opposition to DES, which goes back before some folks on this newsgroup knew how to read, I don't think you can impugn his integrity. Oh yeah -- the folks who invented Clipper aren't stupid. If you think something doesn't make sense, it's almost certainly because you don't understand their goals. --Steve Bellovin ----- Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 07:56:39 EDT From: denning@cs.georgetown.edu (Dorothy Denning) Subject: Re: Clipper Chip To: (a long list of folks) I was also briefed by the NSA and FBI, so let me add a few comments to Marty's message: The Clipper Chip will have a secret crypto algorithm embedded in The algorithm operates on 64-bit blocks (like DES) and the chip supports all 4 DES modes of operation. The algorithm uses 32 rounds of scrambling compared with 16 in DES. In addition to the system key, each user will get to choose his or her own key and change it as often as desired. Call this key plain old K. When a message is to be sent it will first be K is the session key shared by the sender and receiver. Any method (e.g., public key) can be used to establish the session key. In the AT&T telephone security devices, which will have the new chip, the key is negotiated using a public-key protocol. encrypted under K, then K will be encrypted under the unit key UK, and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK producing E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK} My understanding is that E[M; K] is not encrypted under SK (called the ""family key"") and that the decrypt key corresponding to SK is held by law enforcement. Does anyone have first hand knowledge on this? I will also check it out, but this is 7am Sunday so I did not want to wait. The unit key will be generated as the XOR of two 80-bit random numbers K1 and K2 (UK=K1+K2) which will be kept by the two escrow The unit key, also called the ""chip key,"" is generated from the serial number N as follows. Let N1, N2, and N3 be 64 bit blocks derived from N, and let S1 and S2 be two 80-bit seeds used as keys. Compute the 64-bit block R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] (Note that this is like using the DES in triple encryption mode with two keys.) Similarly compute blocks R2 and R3 starting with N2 and N3. (I'm unlear about whether the keys S1 and S2 change. The fact that they're called seeds suggests they might.) Then R1, R2, and R3 are concatenated together giving 192 bits. The first 80 bits form K1 and the next 80 bits form K2. The remaining bits are discarded. authorities. Who these escrow authorities will be is still to be decided by the Attorney General, but it was stressed to me that they will NOT be NSA or law enforcement agencies, that they must be parties acceptable to the users of the system as unbiased. Marty is right on this and the FBI has asked me for suggestions. Please pass them to me along with your reasons. In addition to Marty's criteria, I would add that the agencies must have an established record of being able to safeguard highly sensitive information. Some suggestions I've received so far include SRI, Rand, Mitre, the national labs (Sandia, LANL, Los Alamos), Treasury, GAO. When a court order obtains K1 and K2, and thence K, the law enforcement agency will use SK to decrypt all information flowing on the suspected link [Aside: It is my guess that they may do this constantly on all links, with or without a court order, since it is almost impossible to tell which links over which a message will flow.] My understanding is that there will be only one decode box and that it will be operated by the FBI. The service provider will isolate the communications stream and pass it to the FBI where it will pass through the decode box, which will have been keyed with K. for ""the wiretap authorizations."" When Levy asked for the details so he could review the cases as required by law, the agent told him that his predecessors just turned over 40-50 blank, signed forms every time. Levi did not comply and changed the system, but the lesson is clear: No single person or authority should have the power to authorize wiretaps No single person does, at least for FBI taps. After completing a mound of paperwork, an agent must get the approval of several people on a chain that includes FBI legal counsel before the request is even taken to the Attorney General for final approval. Dorothy Denning ";-1;0 "From: west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Nntp-Posting-Host: next15csc.wam.umd.edu Reply-To: west@next02.wam.umd.edu Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 35 In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: > In article <1993Apr5.163050.13308@wam.umd.edu> west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: > >In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. > >Ryan) writes: > >> In article <1993Apr5.025924.11361@wam.umd.edu> > >west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: > >> > >> >THE ILLIAD IS THE UNDISPUTED WORD OF GOD(tm) *prove me wrong* > >> > >> I dispute it. > >> > >> Ergo: by counter-example: you are proven wrong. > > > > I dispute your counter-example > > > > Ergo: by counter-counter-example: you are wrong and > > I am right so nanny-nanny-boo-boo TBBBBBBBTTTTTTHHHHH > > No. The premis stated that it was undisputed. > Fine... THE ILLIAD IS THE WORD OF GOD(tm) (disputed or not, it is) Dispute that. It won't matter. Prove me wrong. Brian West -- THIS IS NOT A SIG FILE * -""To the Earth, we have been THIS IS NOT A SIG FILE * here but for the blink of an OK, SO IT'S A SIG FILE * eye, if we were gone tomorrow, posted by west@wam.umd.edu * we would not be missed.""- who doesn't care who knows it. * (Jurassic Park) ** DICLAIMER: I said this, I meant this, nobody made me do it.** ";9;1 "From: rob@mother.bates.edu (Rob Spellman) Subject: 3M DC6150s for sale Organization: Bates College, Lewiston, ME Lines: 10 We no longer use quarter inch tape for backups, and have a case of unopened DC6150s for sale. I'll sell the lot, or in boxes of 5 tapes each. -- Rob Spellman rob@mother.bates.edu Computing Support Services Bates College ";-1;0 "From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 33 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article , neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) writes... #[sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ] # #> That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves #> and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is #> imminent. #> #> Steve Heracleous # #You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you #go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good #job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from #me - those kids are mean. This last comment was obviously a bit cynical, but a true statement of the attitude of some drivers (there's your ""autos"" content), I would say. What law-abiding (not ""low-abiding"" as above (talk about Freudian slips!)) citizens have the right and responsibility to do is try to PREVENT this type of behaviour in children. A doctor may have to use ""deadly force"" against a part of a body (like amputating it) when an infection/disease has gone too far. But his real desire would have been to *prevent* the disease in the first place or at least nip it in the bud. Followups should go to alt.parents-teens Fred W. Bach , Operations Group | Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility) | Voice: 604-222-1047 loc 327/278 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS | FAX: 604-222-1074 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA V6T 2A3 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question. They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers. ";10;1 "From: battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle) Subject: ChemLab EyeoftheBeholder2 ClueBook EthernetTransceiver NintendoControl Summary: Miscellaneous Items For Sale Keywords: Chemistry IBM PC Games Clue Book Ethernet Transceiver Nintendo Reply-To: battle@cs.utk.edu Distribution: us Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra1b.cs.utk.edu I have the following items for sale. The highest bid for each to arrive in my email box by 5:00 pm EDT Wednesday April 21, 1993 gets the item. 1] Skillcraft Senior Chemlab Set 4581 Safe for Ages 10 and Up Used little 25 bottles of different Chemicals, Plastic Balance, Alcohol Lamp, Test Tube, Litmus Paper Manual with ""Over 1100 Experiments"" $4 shipping will be added to your bid 2] Eye of the Beholder II Fun game for the IBM PC In original box, with original media and Manual $3 shipping will be added to your bid 3] Clue Book for Eye of the Beholder II Solve your dilemmas in a hurry and find all the loot $1 shipping will be added to your bid Free shipping on this item if you bid highest on this and item 2]. 4] Ethernet Transceiver (ST-500 With LanView (AUI to 50 Ohm coaxial)) Works fine Has nifty blinking leds for send/receive/collision/power, etc. Built-in T Includes one 50 Ohm terminator $2 shipping will be added to your bid 5] Super Nintendo Super Controller Auto Repeated Fire Hands-Free Continuous Fire Slow Motion (accomplished by automatically pausing/unpausing) Add to a one-controller console to allow two players $2 shipping will be added to your bid Be sure to include a *SHIPPING ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids. Be sure to include an *EMAIL ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids. Send bids to battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle). You will be informed by email if your bid is the highest by 5:30 pm EDT Wednesday April 21, 1993. Items will be shipped US Postal Service First Class COD on Thursday morning. A money order for your bid plus the indicated shipping amount will be needed to receive the item. Please keep this fact in mind when bidding. -David battle@cs.utk.edu ";-1;0 "From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 14 In article <20726.2bcd8b62@ecs.umass.edu> sylveste@ecs.umass.edu writes: >Before the S4 became the S4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v. >This model did come in a wagon, a very quick wagon. Very rare also. > > Mike Sylvester Umass > Yes, I saw a 200 Turbo Quattro wagon on I-287 in NJ on Monday. I thought Audi stopped selling wagons in the US after the 5000. This is exactly the type of vehicle I would like to own. I bet its price is 4-5 times my car budget. -- Ron DeBlock rdb1@homxb.att.com (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l) AT&T Bell Labs Somerset, NJ USA ";-1;0 "From: rim@bme.ri.ccf.org (Robert M. Cothren) Subject: widget for displaying images Nntp-Posting-Host: marvin Organization: The Cleveland Clinic Foundation, Cleveland, OH Distribution: na Lines: 12 Before I try to teach myself how to write a widget and (perhaps) re-invent the wheel... Is there a PD widget that displays (for example) an 8-bit grey-level image in the same fashion that the Athena Plotter Widget can be used to display a plot? -- ----Robert M. Cothren, PhD--------------------------rim@bme.ri.ccf.org---- Department of Biomedical Engineering The Cleveland Clinic Foundation voice: 216 445-9305 ----Cleveland, Ohio----------------------------------fax: 216 444-9198---- ";12;1 "From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 24 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <1pslckINNmn0@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, nhowland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Neal Patrick Howland) writes... > >From what I understand about radar dectectors all they are is a passive >device much like the radio in your car. They work as an antenna picking >up that radar signals that the radar gun sends out. Therefore there would >be no way of detecting a radar detector any more than there would be of >detecting whether some one had a radio in their car. > From my rather rusty knowledge of radio, most radio receivers use a superhet circuit, so that the incoming signal is mixed with a local oscillator, giving a fixed intermediate frequency (IF) that is more easily amplified. The detector detectors work by picking up IF re-radiated from your radar detector. In Britain, where one has/used to pay for a TV licence, there are/were TV detector vans prowling the streets, looking for people who hadn't paid their licence fee. They had a couple of long solenoid antennae on the roof, and I believe could triangulate an operating TV from the IF. I wonder how much of the IF is radiated back from the detector antenna, and how much from the rest of the module. It might be worth putting the detector in a proper RF shielded enclosure. -- Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada finger advax@reg.triumf.ca for PGP key ";-1;0 "From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 35 In article loisc@microsoft.com (Lois Christiansen) writes: >In article FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu wrote: >You might visit some congregations of Christians, who happen to be homosexuals, >that are spirit-filled believers, Gifts of the Spirit should not be seen as an endorsement of ones behavior. A lot of people have suffered because of similar beliefs. Jesus said that people would come to Him saying ""Lord, Lord,"" and proclaiming the miraculous works they had done in His name. Jesus would tell them that they were workers of iniquity that do not know Him, and to depart from Him. That is not to say that this will happen to everyone who commits a homosexual sin. If the Holy Spirit were only given to the morally perfect, He would not be given to me, or any of us. God can forgive any sin, if we repent. But people should be careful not to think, ""God has given me a gift of the Spirit, it must be okay to be gay."" That is dangerous (see also hebrews 6 about those who have partaken of the Holy Spirit and of the powers of the world to come.) >The Lord IS working in our community (the homosexual community, that is). He's >not asking us to change our sexual nature, Jesus doesn't ask us to change our own nature. We cannot lift ourselves out of our own sin- but we must submit to His hand as He changes our nature. Practicing homosexual acts and homosexual lusts violates the morality that God has set forth. If you don't believe that, and think those of us who do are just ignorant, then at least consider us weak in the faith and be celebate for our sake's. Is practicing homosexuality worth the cost of a soul, whether it be the homosexual's or the one considered ""ignorant?"" Link Hudson. ";-1;0 "From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 88 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: HST News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Ed Campion Headquarters, Washington, D.C. April 23, 1993 (Phone: 202/358-1780) Kyle Herring Johnson Space Center, Houston (Phone: 713/483-5111) RELEASE: 93-76 HUBBLE TELESCOPE SERVICING MISSION SCHEDULED FOR ELEVEN DAYS The December flight of Endeavour on Space Shuttle mission STS-61 to service the Hubble Space Telescope (HST) has been scheduled as an 11 day mission designed to accommodate a record five spacewalks with the capability for an additional two, if needed. The decision to schedule five extravehicular activities, or EVAs, was reached following extensive evaluations of underwater training, maneuver times required using the Shuttle's robot arm based on software simulations and actual EVA tasks on previous missions. ""Basically what we've done by going to five EVAs rather than three is to repackage our margin so that we have the capability to respond to the dynamics, or unknowns, of spacewalks,"" Mission Director Randy Brinkley said. ""It improves the probabilities for mission success while providing added flexibility and adaptability for reacting to real-time situations."" In laying out the specific tasks to be completed on each of the spacewalks, officials have determined that changing out the gyros, solar arrays and the Wide Field/Planetary Camera (WF/PC) and installing the Corrective Optics Space Telescope Axial Replacement (COSTAR) are priority objectives during the mission. ""When we looked at accomplishing all of the tasks, highest through lowest priority, and recognizing that the major tasks -- gyros, solar arrays, WF/PC and COSTAR -- would consume most of the time set aside for each spacewalk, five EVAs were deemed appropriate,"" said Milt Heflin, Lead Flight Director for the mission. While the five spacewalks will be unprecedented, the use of two alternating spacewalk teams will alleviate placing more stress on the crew than previous missions requiring two, three or four EVAs. ""We have paid close attention to lessons learned during previous spacewalks and factored these into our timeline estimates for five EVAs,"" Heflin said. ""In planning for all Space Shuttle missions, it is necessary to formulate a work schedule that represents as realistic a timeline as possible to accomplish the mission objectives."" Planning currently calls for at least five water tank training sessions that include support from the Mission Control Center, called joint integrated simulations, lasting between 10 and 36 hours. In addition, many stand alone underwater training ""runs"" will practice individual tasks in each spacewalk. Various refinements to the specific tasks on each spacewalk will be made based on actual training experience during the months prior to the mission. Also, lessons learned from other spacewalks leading up to the flight will be valuable in assisting the STS-61 crew in its training techniques. Endeavour's June flight and Discovery's July mission both will include spacewalks to evaluate some of the unique tools to be used on the HST mission. The evaluations will help in better understanding the differences between the actual weightlessness of space and the ground training in the water tanks at the Johnson Space Center, Houston, and the Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Ala. Also, the inflight spacewalking experiences will assist in gaining further insight into the time required for the various tasks and expand the experience levels among the astronaut corps, the flight controllers and trainers. Designed to be serviced by a Space Shuttle crew, Hubble was built with grapple fixtures and handholds to assist in the capture and repair procedures. The telescope was launched aboard Discovery in April 1990. At that time the NASA mixed fleet manifest showed the first revisit mission to HST in 1993 to change out science instruments and make any repairs that may have become necessary. - end - ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. ";-1;0 "From: sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child) Subject: Re: ""Fake"" virtual reality Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu Mike_Peredo@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Peredo) writes: >The most ridiculous example of VR-exploitation I've seen so far is the >""Virtual Reality Clothing Company"" which recently opened up in Vancouver. As >far as I can tell it's just another ""chic"" clothes spot. Although it would be >interesting if they were selling ""virtual clothing"".... >E-mail me if you want me to dig up their phone # and you can probably get >some promotional lit. I understand there have been a couple of raves in LA billing themselves as ""Virtual Reality"" parties. What I hear they do is project .GIF images around on the walls, as well as run animations through a Newtek Toaster. Seems like we need to adopt the term Really Virtual Reality or something, except for the non-immersive stuff which is Virtually Really Virtual Reality. etc. >MP >(8^)- ___Samuel___ -- _________Pratice Safe .Signature! Prevent Dangerous Signature Virii!_______ Guildenstern: Our names shouted in a certain dawn ... a message ... a summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning, where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it. ";-1;0 "From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA Lines: 14 In <1993Apr15.170715.29896@igor.tamri.com> donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes: |>Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower |>the cost and definitely make them safer to use. |I think so. And I don't use drugs, outside of the legal ones (alcohol |and coffee). I'm addicted to chocolate myself. -- Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money. Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related. Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com ";-1;0 "From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Re: Good for hockey/Bad for hockey Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 20 >>> > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself. Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1 >>> > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons??? >>> As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your >>> jokes:-)! >> Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I'm sure you'll see the humour... >If anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the >origonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding. What about his rectum? -- GO SKINS! ||""Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES! || an effect on you?"" - Mike Patton, Faith No More GO HORNETS! || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu ";-1;0 "From: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au (George Patapis) Subject: Re: DESQview/X on a PC? Organization: AOTC - CSSC Lines: 42 Distribution: world Reply-To: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: boyd.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au In article 14595639@wl.aecl.ca, harrisp@wl.aecl.ca () writes: >I use DESQview/X and I think it is great. Where it really shines (IMHO) is >to let unix users log into a pc and run dos and windows applications with >the display going to their screens. >You'll need to get: >DESQview/X v 1.1 >DESQview/X v 1.1 $275 suggested retail >DESQview/X to Other X Systems v 1.1 $200 suggested retail > >You also must be running a supported network (FTP softwares PCTCP, >Novell Lan workplace for dos, Sun Microsystems PC-NFS, Beame and WHiteside, >Wollongong pathway TCPIp or HP Microsoft Lan Manager) > >if you don't have any of this network stuff, Quarterdeck will give you a >copy of Novell TCPIP transprot for dos with the Network manager. > >You can get more info by sending email to (appropriately) info@qdeck.com. > >In my opinion, if you want to have other people logging in and running >applications at your pc, you'll want to have a 486 33 with 16 Megs of RAM. >Also, the Xwindows software in DESQviewX really seems to like an ET 4000 >(TSENG Labs chipset) based graphics card. Personally, I found that things >ran better with a SCSI drive in the pc than with ESDI drives, but that is >my experience only > > Good Luck and Best Wishes > Phil What sort of traffic is generated with the X-calls? I am curious to find out the required bandwidth that a link must have if one machine running DV/X is supporting multiple users (clients) and we require adequate response time. Anyone have any ideas ?? --- __/ __/ George Patapis ---------------------PAN METRON ARISTON---------- __/ __/ __/ __/ C.S.S.C Lane Cove-----------email:gpatapis@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au __/ __/ __/ __/ P.O.Box A792 Sydney South --fax :(02) 911 3 199---------------- __/ __/ __/ __/ NSW, 2000, Australia.-------voice:(02) 911 3 121---------------- __/ __/ ";-1;0 "From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/.... Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department Lines: 49 In article <1993Apr17.082102.4155@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: >In article , kckluge@eecs.umich.edu (Karl Kluge) writes: >> >> ...and I'm sure that people who were big fans of fuedalism pissed and >> moaned about the emergence of the modern nation-state. Imagine, the King >> allowing serfs their freedom if they could live in the city for a year! >> Times change, technology changes, viable forms of social organization >> change. While concerns about preserving Western notions of civil liberties >> in the face of cultures with very different values is a valid one, it's >> a waste of effort to try to turn back the tide. It's much smarter to focus >> on trying to make sure that the emerging forms of social organization are > > Your response is yet another sign of the trend towards One World >Government. Many people such as yourself, who are otherwise probably >likeable and intelligent, show every sign of having been successfully >brainwashed. You don't recognize that your ""inevitable tide"" is rolling >into chaos and in no way represents an advance for civilization. Some >of us do indeed ""lament the passing of old forms"", such as the Bill of >Rights, which are indeed inalienable rights of man that cannot be >changed, transferred or surrendered...rights of man that far transcend > > Yes, Napoleon wanted a Grand New Order. Hitler wanted a >Thousand Year Reich. Lenin knew that Bolshevism would give us the >Universal New Man. The New World Order is just so much of the same >old tired garbage. The pathetic part is that so many Americans seem ""Put not your trust in princes"" is the Biblical proverb. The modern analog is governments. At the time of the founding of the US, the idea that citizens had rights above those of the government was not that common, but was explicit in the writings of the founders. To a considerable extent, Englishmen also had those rights. Yes, times change, and technology changes. The possibility of a few governments enserfing all of mankind was not possible until quite recently. In the feudal system, the lord was almost as restricted as the serfs, so having the people enserf themselves does not make anything better; most feudal lords, and even most slaveowners, did not mistreat those under them. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are under real attack NOW. -- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 Phone: (317)494-6054 hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet) {purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP) ";3;1 "From: antond@microsoft.com (Anton Dejong) Subject: Re: Oakland Oaks Memorabilia Organization: Microsoft Corp. Distribution: usa Lines: 13 >There is Ebbets Field Flannels in Seattle, which makes lots of minor and negro >league jackets and jerseys. These things are REAL spendy (around $200 for a >jersey) but they are very authentic in look and nicely made. > >--->Paul, ""long live Steve Bilko and the PCL LA Angels"" Their phone number is 1-800-377-9777. The last catalog shows three Oaks jerseys: 36 Home, 42 Home, 39 Home - they're each $165.00. All their merchandise is handmade and is an authentic replica. I own a couple - and they are excellent. They also have wool caps and jackets. You should call to get on their mailing list even if you can't afford their prices. Anton ";14;1 "From: jmains@engr.latech.edu (John P. Mains) Subject: Electrical Properties of ELASTOMERS Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 13 Distribution: usa Reply-To: jmains@engr.latech.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.engr.latech.edu Hello, I am looking for carbon-doped rubber. Or an highly elastic material that changes its resistivity, or some other electrical property when streched. If you could email me any info you may have on material names or companies that make the stuff it would be highly appreaciated. Thanx JP Biomedical Engineering Louisiana Tech University ";11;1 "From: banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Lines: 34 Nntp-Posting-Host: vms.ocom.okstate.edu Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine Distribution: usa In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) writes: > > A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's > disease. > > But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables, > without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence. > > Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the > problems of people with Crohn's disease ? > > (I saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric). > > Thanks in advance, > John Eyles All your friend really has to do is find a Registered Dietician(RD). While most work in hospitals and clinics, many major cities will have RD's who are in ""private practice"" so to speak. Many physicans will refer their patients with Crohn's disease to RD's for dietary help. If you can get your friend's physician to make a referral, medical insurance should pay for the RD's services just like the services of a physical therapist. The better medical insurance plans will cover this but even if your friend's plan doesn't, it would be well worth the cost to get on a good diet to control the intestinal discomfort and help the intestinal lining heal. Crohn's disease is an inflammatory disease of the intestinal lining and lipoxygenase inhibitors may help by decreasing leukotriene formation but I'm not aware of tea or turmeric containing lipoxygenase inhibitors. For bad inflammation, steroids are used but for a mild case, the side effects are not worth the small benefit gained by steroid use. Upjohn is developing a new lipoxygenase inhibitor that should greatly help deal with inflammatory diseases but it's not available yet. Marty B. ";4;1 "From: harwood@umiacs.umd.edu (David Harwood) Subject: Re: Essene New Testament Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 Lines: 11 [William Christie asked about the Essene NT. Andrew Kille reponded >There is a collection of gospels which usually goes under the name of the >""Essene Gospel of Peace."" These are derived from the gnostics, not the >essenes, and are ostensibly translations from syriac texts of the fourth >and fifth centuries (I vaguely recall; I can't find my copy right now). --clh] There had been recent criticism of this in a listserv for academic Biblical scholars: they all say the book(s) are modern fakes. D.H. ";-1;0 "From: jpopovich@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: Re: New Uniforms Distribution: world Organization: Georgetown University Lines: 10 While I enjoy the trend towards the more classic style of uniform - and I disagree with the person who wants a return to the non-gray road uniforms - it should be remembered that one of the, if not THE reason for the redesigning of uniforms, especially hats (re: the new road all green A's caps and the cardinal navy blue road cap), is the marketing money to be made in sales of new merchandise. Jeffrey Popovich jpopovich@guvax.georgetown.edu ";-1;0 "From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) Subject: Re: Hamza Salah, the Humanist Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. Lines: 16 dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes: >cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes: ># Well said Mr. Beyer :) >He-he. The great humanist speaks. One has to read Mr. Salah's posters, >in which he decribes Jews as ""sons of pigs and monkeys"", keeps >promising the ""final battle"" between Muslims and Jews (in which the >stons and the trees will ""cry for the Muslims to come and kill the >Jews hiding behind them""), makes jokes about Jews dying from heart >attacks etc, to realize his objective stance on the matters involved. Humanist, or sub-humanist? :-) -- Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org ";-1;0 "From: gruncie@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gillian E Runcie CS92) Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland. Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: fleming-07.cs.strath.ac.uk being a mere female, I have often found I can't really take the big offensive line with asshole car drivers, so I found a more subtle and nastly ooops I mean nasty way to get back at them. If somebody cuts you up, just wait till they have pulled out past you, and then gently lean over and bend their aerial, every time I have done that it has eventually snapped off near the base - which tends to go undetected for a while and is a bummer to replace. gillian ";-1;0 "From: wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) Subject: EC BHP limit vetoed Lines: 12 According to BBC Radio this morning, UK, Denmark, Portugal & a few others have vetoed a proposal to limit EC-sold bikes to 100 BHP. The reason is that such a limit is not supported by accident statistics - a rare example of governmental wisdom. The limit has a five year moratorium on it, and ""specialist"" manufacturers will be exempt anyway. Any suspicion that this is a crafty trick to restrict that end of the market in Europe to Triumph, Norton (who? :-)), BMW, Cagiva & Ducati is the sort of dangerous rubbish which stalls GATT talks. You heard it here first. Bill @ Univ Edinburgh, replete with 12 hp and a healthy blue exhaust. ";-1;0 "From: brifre1@ac.dal.ca Subject: European expansion and our f*cked system Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Lines: 36 Everyone keeps talking about European expansion by 2010 thinking wishful thoughts, but being totally off the ball. The league format we use here is incompatible with that in Europe. (for those that don't know, the best teams from lower divisions get promoted and the worst get demoted). Would European fans put up with our ""if you've paid, you can play"" attitude?? How long would they support teams that are run on Ranger-based corporate thinking (I use the term lightly). (We don't need a good product because these duffuses in NYC would fill the arena for Ottawa's record every year......1940!! haha (sorry, had ta say it)). If hockey (and other pro sports) had a similar system to Europe, maybe teams like the Rangers would be forced to compete (or get demoted the fourth division). We'd have many more teams...centres that aren't as big (like Halifax or Adirondack....ok, so Halifax isn't a good example) would eventually get promoted, and every team would be somewhat competetive within its own division (unlike Ottawa, SJ, Edmonton, etc.). Fans would eventually get rewarded for their loyalty (or penalized for their neglect), and the league would be more interesting and dynamic every year because of the influx of newly promoted teams (and the Halifax Citadels win the Stanley Cup...I can dream, can't I??) Look at British (or any European) soccer as an example (they never have fan problems). Just someone who thinks our system really sucks Barfly (feel free to flame me, my account ends today...hahahaha) 1940!! ";13;1 "From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Lines: 28 As quoted from <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: > The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against > you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! Kind of sounds like Plessy v. Ferguson, huh? Of course as in that case, things change, huh? > Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions > are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will > be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... > No, if your little fantasy comes to pass, the country will have gone TOWARD the KKK. You're of course being a little disengenuous. Violent solutions are never passe FOR THE GOVERNMENT and CRIMINALS (who frequently) cannot be distinguished). ""Avoid situations which encourage criminals""? You mean don't be a woman? Don't be Black? Don't be gay? I'm quite certain that having a surfeit of unarmed victims will discourage your beloved KKK from engaging in ""violent solutions"".... -- =================================================================== ""You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas"" - Holly Silva ";-1;0 "From: hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan) Subject: Minnesota recalls McGowan (HELP!!!) Organization: University of Washington Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu Derian Hatcher's game-misconduct penalty was rescinded by the NHL, allowing the Minnesota defenseman to play in the North Stars' last two regular-season games. Hatcher was given the penalty during a fight at the end of a loss at St. Louis on Sunday, April 11. But the league didn't rescind the game-misconduct penalty Shane Churla received. The Stars recalled center Cal McGowan from their top minor league club in Kalamazoo, Mich., to replace Churla. The above is courtesy of The Washington Times on-line service. Now, here's where I need help. If anyone out there has a tape of Tuesday's Chicago-Minnesota game, please contact me. Terms will be favorable. Also, if anyone can tape tonight's Minnesota-Detroit game, please contact me. This could be quite important. Once again, I will make it worth your trouble. Thanks to all. -- rec.sport.hockey contact for Minnesota North Stars and maintainer of the r.s.h FAQ file Mitch McGowan a.k.a. | KALAMAZOO WINGS | MINNESOTA NORTH STARS | hamlet@u.washington.edu | ST. KILDA SAINTS | TORONTO BLUE JAYS | ";13;1 "From: chin@ee.ualberta.ca (Jing Chin) Subject: Need Info on DSP project Summary: General info on building a DSP project that can manipulate music Keywords: DSP , D/A , A/D , music , project Nntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 10 I want to start a DSP project that can maniplate music in a stereo cassette. Is that any chip set, development kit and/or compiler that can equilize/mix music? Ideally, The system should have D/A A/D converters & a DSP compiler. A rough estimate of the cost is greately appreciated. Thanks in advance. Regards, Jing Chin e-mail address:chin@bode.ee.ualberta.ca ";-1;0 "From: thouchin@cs.umr.edu (T. J. Houchin) Subject: FOR SALE: FARENHEIT 1280 24bit Article-I.D.: umr.1993Apr5.231308.3558 Distribution: usa Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla Lines: 12 Nntp-Posting-Host: mcs213c.cs.umr.edu Originator: thouchin@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu FOR SALE: Orchid Fareheit 1280 24bit color card -1 meg -almost new $200 or best offer This is a post for a friend Call him (Thuan Pho) at 314-368-3624 T.J. Houchin ";-1;0 "From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) Subject: Re: SDA Doctrinal Distinctives Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 15 In article jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) writes: |There is a book provided by the SDA which is entitled ""The Seventh Day |Adventist Church believes"", or something like that. It is a basic |coverage of the 30 ideas that SDA's hold to. For further info about it, |please write me later (once I get the actual title and/or copyright |date) or Celia Chan, cmchan@amber.ucs.indiana.edu, because she first |""introduced"" me to the book (I must also add that she is NOT a member of |the SDA anymore). The book is called ""27 basic fundamental beliefs"" or something very close to that. the number *IS* 27, not 30. I have a copy at home (i'm away at school.) Tammy ";-1;0 "From: walsha@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (I don't know who discovered water, but it wasn't no fish - Marshall McCluhan) Subject: waco conflagration - precedents? Lines: 15 burning yourself alive seems a rough way to go, given the waco bunch had other choices. but it reminded me of the russian old-believers who, thinking the antichrist was coming in 1666, grew frantic when Peter the Great started westernizing Russia and reforming the Russian Church a few years later. They locked themselves in their churches and burned themselves alive by the thousands. are there other cases of apocalypse-obsessed christians resorting to self-imolation? is there a history of precedents? andrew. ";-1;0 "From: sean@dip1.ee.uct.ac.za (Sean Borman) Subject: INFO WANTED : Graphics LCD displays Organization: University of Cape Town X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 15 Hi there Does anyone know how to get hold of data as well as stock of the LCD displays used in the NINTENDO GAMEBOY handheld TV game machines? Any information wouold be MOST appreciated. Please e-mail any replies to arawstorne@eleceng.uct.ac.za thanks Alex ";-1;0 "From: cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook) Subject: Lindbergh and the moon (was:Why not give $1G) Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM Lines: 19 Distribution: world Reply-To: cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook) NNTP-Posting-Host: cook.mdc.com All of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year moon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace development before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of Saint Louis venture to his financial backers. If memory serves, the $25k prize would not have been enough to totally reimburse some of the more expensive transatlantic projects (such as Fokker's, Nungesser and other multi-engine projects). However Lindbergh ultimately kept his total costs below that amount. But I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to realize that much more was at stake than $25,000. Could it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of today? Layne Cook cook@apt.mdc.com McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Co. ";-1;0 "From: harton@owlnet.rice.edu (Tracy Brian Harton) Subject: Wireless Transmitter/Receivers at RS Organization: Rice University Lines: 12 Does anyone know what frequencies the wireless transmitter/receiver microphone systems that Radio Shack sells operate at? I've tried everything short of opening one up (not actually owning one makes this difficult...) and just looking.. Any help would be greatly appreciated.. These systems are designed for wireless PA systems, etc.. Thanks, Tracy ";-1;0 "From: bob@nntp.crl.com (Bob Ames) Subject: UNIX PC Software for sale Organization: CRL Internet Dialup Access (415-389-UNIX login: guest) Lines: 41 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com Greetings: Here is a list of items for the 3B1 which I am selling: dBase III - Full dBase III multiuser Development/Runtime for 3B1! Microsoft Basic Interpreter - Gives 2.5 Megabytes RAM available! Microsoft Word - Full featured mouse-based multiuser word-processor. Microsoft MultiPlan - Nice multiuser spreadsheet program. GSS-Chart - Nice graphical program for creating business charts. LPI-C - A robust C compiler. I'll throw in LPI-DEBUG:single-step,alter vars. AT&T Electronic Mail - Very nice Office-based front end to mail. I'll take $500 or best offer for the whole bunch. I bought all of these new in 1985, and paid over $2,000 for these excellent programs. I'd rather sell them together, but don't hesitate to make me an offer for one. I'd consider possible trades. I'm interested in the following 3b1 Hardware: Ethernet Card with or without Software Tape Backup External Expansion Unit Upgraded P5.1 motherboard (Or just info on who can do the P5.1 upgrades) ICUS 2nd hard drive upgrade kit AT&T 513bct, 610, 615, or 4415 terminals with the UNIXPC-style keyboard Make me an offer. Bob Ames bob@crl.com 707-546-0669 PS: I can get UNIX PCs with 40M Drives and 1M Motherboards loaded with 3.51m, cnews, smail, trn, rn, elm, nethack, gzip, HDB, and a couple other things for about $550 each plus shipping. Let me know if you're interested. PPS: Priam D519 150M Hard Drives (Exactly same as Maxtor 2190, but faster) are on sale for $280 thru a vendor in LA (Number not handy, write for info) This is a VERY good price for these drives, the largest, fastest HDs available for the UNIX PC. (Note, to fully use the entire 150M, you'll need the P5.1 motherboard upgrade [WHO DOES THESE?], and a WD2010) ";8;1 "From: nfotis@ntua.gr (Nick C. Fotis) Subject: (17 Apr 93) Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY [part 1/3] Lines: 1566 Reply-To: nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr (Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis) Organization: National Technical Univ. of Athens Archive-name: graphics/resources-list/part1 Last-modified: 1993/04/17 Computer Graphics Resource Listing : WEEKLY POSTING [ PART 1/3 ] =================================================== Last Change : 17 April 1993 Many FAQs, including this Listing, are available on the archive site pit-manager.mit.edu (alias rtfm.mit.edu) [18.172.1.27] in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers. The name under which a FAQ is archived appears in the Archive-name line at the top of the article. This FAQ is archived as graphics/resources-list/part[1-3] There's a mail server on that machine. You send a e-mail message to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu containing the keyword ""help"" (without quotes!) in the message body. You can see in many other places for this Listing. See the item: 0. Places to find the Resource Listing for more information. Items Changed: -------------- RE-ARRANGED the subjects, in order to fir better in the 63K/article limit. I PLAN ON CHANGING HEADERS SOON, SO BE CAREFUL! ONLY THE ""Resource Listing"" keys are sure to remain in the Subject: line! 0. Places to find the Resource Listing 6. 3D graphics editors a. Public domain, free and shareware systems 9. Plotting packages 18. Molecular visualization stuff [ I'm thinking of making this post bi-weekly. What do you think??? ] -------------- Lines which got changed, have the `#' character in front of them. Added lines are prepended with a `+' Removed lines are just removed. Use 'diff' to locate these changes. ======================================================================== This text is (C)Copyright 1992, 1993 of Nikolaos C. Fotis. You can copy freely this file, provided you keep this copyright notice intact. Compiled by Nikolaos (Nick) C. Fotis, e-mail: nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Please contact me for updates,corrections, etc. Disclaimer: I do not guarantee the accuracy of this document. Use it at your own risk. ======================================================================== This is mainly a guide for computer graphics software. I would suggest reading the Comp. Graphics FAQ for image analysis stuff. It's entitled: (date) comp.graphics Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) John T. Grieggs is the poster of the official comp.graphics FAQ I have included my comments within braces '[' and ']'. Nikolaos Fotis ======================================================================== Contents of the Resource Listing ================================ PART1: ------ 0. Places to find the Resource Listing 1. ARCHIE 2. Notes 3. Computer graphics FTP site list, by Eric Haines 4. Mail servers and graphics-oriented BBSes 5. Ray-tracing/graphics-related mailing lists. 6. 3D graphics editors a. Public domain, free and shareware systems b. Commercial systems 7. Scene description languages 8. Solids description formats PART2: ------ 9. Plotting packages 10. Image analysis software - Image processing and display PART3: ------ 11. Scene generators/geographical data/Maps/Data files 12. 3D scanners - Digitized 3D Data. 13. Background imagery/textures/datafiles 14. Introduction to rendering algorithms a. Ray tracing b. Z-buffer (depth-buffer) c. Others 15. Where can I find the geometric data for the: a. Teapot ? b. Space Shuttle ? 16. Image annotation software 17. Scientific visualization stuff 18. Molecular visualization stuff 19. GIS (Geographical Information Systems software) Future additions: [Please send me updates/info!] ======================================================================== 0. Places to find the Resource Listing ====================================== #This file is crossposted to comp.graphics, comp.answers and news.answers, so if you can't locate it in comp.graphics, you're advised to search in #comp.answers or news.answers (The latter groups usually are archived in your site. Contact your sysadmin for more info). These 3 articles are posted to comp.graphics 3-4 times a month and are kept in many places (see below) -- Many FAQs, including this one, are available on the archive site pit-manager.mit.edu (alias rtfm.mit.edu) [18.172.1.27] in the directory pub/usenet/news.answers. The name under which a FAQ is archived appears in the Archive-name line at the top of the article. This FAQ is archived as graphics/resources-list/part[1-3] There's a mail server on that machine. You send a e-mail message to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu containing: help in the Subject: field -- The inria-graphlib mail server mirrors this posting (see under the Subject 4: Mail servers ) -- The Resource Listing is accesible through WAIS in the machine enuxva.eas.asu.edu (port 8000) under the name graphics-resources-list. It's got a digest-type line before every numbered item for purposes of indexing. -- Another place that monitors the Listing is the MaasInfo files. For more info contact Robert E. Maas -- Yet another place to search for FAQs in general is the SWITCH (Swiss Academic and Research Network) system in Switzerland: interactive: telnet nic.switch.ch [130.59.1.40], login as ""info"". Move to the info_service/Usenet/periodic-postings directory. Search in the 00index file by typing ""/"" and the word to look for. You may then just read the FAQ in the ""faqs"" directory, or decide to fetch it by one of the following methods. ftp: login to nic.switch.ch [130.59.1.40] as user anonymous and enter your internet-style address after being prompted for a password. cd info_service/Usenet/periodic-postings mail: send e-mail to RFC-822: archive-server@nic.switch.ch X.400: /S=archive-server/OU=nic/O=switch/PRMD=switch/ADMD=arcom/C=ch/ Enter 'help' in the bodypart to receive instructions. No information is required in the subject header line. 1. ARCHIE ========= The Archie is a service system to locate FTP places for requested files. It's appreciated that you will use Archie before asking help in the newsgroups. Archie servers: archie.au or 139.130.4.6 (Aussie/NZ) archie.funet.fi or 128.214.6.100 (Finland/Eur.) archie.th-darmstadt.de or 130.83.128.111 (GER.) cs.huji.ac.il or 132.65.6.5 (Israel) archie.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp or 130.54.20.1 (JAPAN) archie.sogang.ac.kr or 163.239.1.11 (Korea) archie.ncu.edu.tw or telnet 140.115.19.24 (TWN) archie.doc.ic.ac.uk or 146.169.3.7 (UK/Ireland) archie.sura.net or 128.167.254.179 (USA [MD]) archie.unl.edu (password: archie1) (USA [NE]) archie.ans.net or 147.225.1.2 (USA [NY]) archie.rutgers.edu or 128.6.18.15 (USA [NJ]) archie.nz or 130.195.9.4 (New Zealand) Connect to Archie server with telnet and type ""archie"" as username. To get help type 'help'. You can get 'xarchie' or 'archie', which are clients that call Archie without the burden of a telnet session. 'Xarchie' is on the X11.R5 contrib tape, and 'archie' on comp.sources.misc, vol. 27. To get information on how to use Archie via e-mail, send mail with subject ""help"" to ""archie"" account at any of above sites. (Note to Janet/PSS users -- the United Kingdom archie site is accessible on the Janet host doc.ic.ac.uk [000005102000]. Connect to it and specify ""archie"" as the host name and ""archie"" as the username.) ========================================================================== 2. Notes ======== (Excerpted from the FAQ article) Please do *not* post or mail messages saying ""I can't FTP, could someone mail this to me?"" There are a number of automated mail servers that will send you things like this in response to a message. There are a number of sites that archive the Usenet sources newsgroups and make them available via an email query system. You send a message to an automated server saying something like ""send comp.sources.unix/fbm"", and a few hours or days later you get the file in the mail. ========================================================================== 3. Computer graphics FTP site list, by Eric Haines ================================================== Computer graphics related FTP sites (and maintainers), 26/03/93 compiled by Eric Haines, erich@eye.com and Nick Fotis, nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Ray-tracers: ------------ RayShade - a great ray tracer for workstations on up, also for PC, Mac & Amiga. PoV - son and successor to DKB trace, written by Compuservers. (For more questions call Drew Wells -- 73767.1244@compuserve.com or Dave Buck -- david_buck@carleton.ca) ART - ray tracer with a good range of surface types, part of VORT package. DKBtrace - another good ray tracer, from all reports; PCs, Mac II, Amiga, UNIX, VMS (last two with X11 previewer), etc. RTrace - Portugese ray tracer, does bicubic patches, CSG, 3D text, etc. etc. An MS-DOS version for use with DJGPP DOS extender (GO32) exists also, as a Mac port. VIVID2 - A shareware raytracer for PCs - binary only (286/287). Author: Stephen Coy (coy@ssc-vax.boeing.com). The 386/387 (no source) version is available to registered users (US$50) direct from the author. RAY4 - Steve Hollasch's 4-dimensional ray tracer - renders hyperspheres, hypertetrahedra, hyperplanes, and hyperparallelepipeds (there's a separate real-time wireframe viewer written in GL called WIRE4 ) . MTV,QRT,DBW - yet more ray tracers, some with interesting features. Distributed/Parallel Raytracers: -------------------------------- XDART - A distributed ray-tracer that runs under X11. There are server binaries which work only on DECstations, SPARCs, HP Snakes (7x0 series) and NeXT. The clients are distributed as binaries and C source. Inetray - A network version of Rayshade 4.0. Needs Sun RPC 4.0 or newer. Contact Andreas Thurnherr (ant@ips.id.ethz.ch) prt, VM_pRAY - parallel ray tracers. Volume renderers: ----------------- VREND - Cornell's Volume Renderer, from Kartch/Devine/Caffey/Warren (FORTRAN). Radiosity (and diffuse lighting) renderers: ------------------------------------------- Radiance - a ray tracer w/radiosity effects, by Greg Ward. Excellent shading models and physically based lighting simulation. Unix/X based, though has been ported to the Amiga and the PC (386). INDIA - An Indian radiosity package based on Radiance. SGI_RAD - An interactive radiosity package that runs on SGI machines with a Spaceball. It includes a house database. Author: Guy Moreillon RAD - a simple public-domain radiosity package in C. The solution can be run stand-alone on any Unix box, but the walk-through requires a SGI 4D. Author: Bernard Kwok Renderers which are not raytracers, and graphics libraries: ----------------------------------------------------------- SIPP - Scan line z-buffer and Phong shading renderer. Now uses the shadow buffer algorithm. Tcl-SIPP - a Tcl command interface to the SIPP rendering program. Tcl-SIPP is a set of Tcl commands used to programmed SIPP without having to write and compile C code. Commands are used to specify surfaces, objects, scenes and rendering options. It renders either in PPM format or in Utah Raster Toolkit RLE format or to the photo widget in the Tk-based X11 applications. VOGLE - graphics learning environment (device portable). VOGL - an SGI GL-like library based on VOGLE. REND386 - A *fast* polygon renderer for Intel 386s and up. Version 2 on up. [ It's not photorealistic, but rather a real-time renderer] XSHARP21 - Dr. Dobb's Journal PC renderer source code, with budget texture mapping. Modellers, wireframe viewers: ----------------------------- VISION-3D - Mac modeler, can output Radiance & Rayshade files. IRIT - A CSG solid modeler, with support for freeform surfaces. X3D - A wireframe viewer for X11. 3DV - 3-D wireframe graphics toolkit, with C source, 3dv objects, other stuff Look at major PC archives like wuarchive. One such file is 3DKIT1.ZIP PV3D - a shareware front end modeler for POVRAY, still in beta test. French docs for now, price for registering 250 French Francs. Save disabled. Some extra utilities, DXF files for the registered version. Geometric viewers: ------------------ SALEM - A GL-based package from Dobkin et al. for exploring mathematical structures. GEOMVIEW - A GL-based package for looking and interactively manipulating 3D objects, from Geometry Center at Minnesota. XYZ GeoBench -(eXperimental geometrY Zurich) is a workbench for geometric computation for Macintosh computers. WIRE4 - GL wireframe previewer for Steve Hollasch's RAY4 (see above) Data Formats and Data Sets for Ray Tracing: ------------------------------------------- SPD - a set of procedural databases for testing ray tracers. NFF - simplistic file format used by SPD. OFF - another file format. P3D - a lispy file format. TDDD - Imagine (3D modeler) format, has converters for RayShade, NFF, OFF, etc. Also includes a nice postscript object displayer. Some GREAT models. TTDDDLIB - converts to/from TDDD/TTDDD, OFF, NFF, Rayshade 4.0, Imagine, and vort 3d objects. Also outputs Framemaker MIF files and isometric views in Postscript. Registered users get a TeX PK font converter and a superquadric surfaces generator. Glenn Lewis [Note : TTDDDLIB is also known as T3DLIB] CHVRTD - Chapel Hill Volume Rendering Test Datasets, includes volume sets for two heads, a brain, a knee, electron density maps for RNA and others. Written Material on Rendering: ------------------------------ RT News - collections of articles on ray tracing. RT bib - references to articles on ray tracing in ""refer"" format. Rad bib - references to articles on radiosity (global illumination). Speer RT bib - Rick Speer's cross-referenced RT bib, in postscript. RT abstracts - collection by Tom Wilson of abstracts of many RT articles. Paper bank project - various technical papers in electronic form. Contact Juhana Kouhia Online Bibliography Project : The ACM SIGGRAPH Online Bibliography Project is a database of over 15,000 unique computer graphics and computational geometry references in BibTeX format, available to the computer graphics community as a research and educational resource. The database is located at ""siggraph.org"". Users may download the BibTeX files via FTP and peruse them offline, or telnet to ""siggraph.org"" and log in as ""biblio"" and interactively search the database for entries of interest, by keyword. For the people without Internet access, there's also an e-mail server. Send mail to archive-server@siggraph.org and in the subject or the body of the message include the message send followed by the topic and subtopic you wish. A good place to start is with the command send index which will give you an up-to-date list of available information. Additions/corrections/suggestions may be directed to the admin, ""bibadmin@siggraph.org"". Image Manipulation Libraries: ----------------------------- Utah Raster Toolkit - nice image manipulation tools. PBMPLUS - a great package for image conversion and manipulation. LIBTIFF - library for reading/writing TIFF images. ImageMagick - X11 package for display and interactive manipulation of images. Uses its own format (MIFF), and includes some converters. xv - X-based image display, manipulation, and format converter. xloadimage, xli - displays various formats on an X11 screen. Khoros - a huge, excellent system for image processing, with a visual programming interface and much much more. Uses X windows. FBM - another set of image manipulation tools, somewhat old now. Img - image manipulation, displays on X11 screen, a bit old now. xflick - Plays .FLI animation under X11 XAnim - plays any resolution FLI along with GIF's(including GIF89a animation extensions), DL's and Amiga IFF animations(3,5,J,l) and IFF pictures(including HAM,EHB and color cycling) SDSC - SDSC Image Tools package (San Diego Supercomputing Center) for image manipulation and conversion CLRpaint - A 24-bit paint program for SGI 24bit workstations and 8bit Indigos. Libraries with code for graphics: --------------------------------- Graphics Gems I,II,III - code from the ever so useful books. spline-patch.tar.Z - spline patch ray intersection routines by Sean Graves kaleido - Computation and 3D Display of Uniform Polyhedra. Mirrored in wuarchive. This package computes (and displays) the metrical properties of 75 polyhedra. Author: Dr. Zvi Har'El, e-mail: rl@gauss.technion.ac.il (*) means site is an ""official"" distributor, so is most up to date. NORTH AMERICA (please look for things on your own continent first...): ------------- wuarchive.wustl.edu [128.252.135.4]: /graphics/graphics - get CONTENTS file for a roadmap. /graphics/graphics/objects/TDDD - *the TTDDD objects and converters*, /mirrors/unix-c/graphics - Rayshade ray tracer, MTV ray tracer, Vort ray tracer, FBM, PBMPLUS, popi, Utah raster toolkit. /mirrors/msdos/graphics - DKB ray tracer, FLI RayTracker demos. /pub/rad.tar.Z - *SGI_RAD*, /graphics/graphics/radiosity - Radiance and Indian radiosity package. /msdos/ddjmag/ddj9209.zip - version 21 of Xsharp, with fast texture mapping. There's lots more, including bibs, Graphics Gems I & II code, OFF, RTN, Radiance, NFF, SIPP, spline patch intersection routines, textbook errata, source code from Roy Hall's book ""Illumination and Color in Computer Generated Imagery"", etc graphics/graphics/packages/kaleido - *kaleido* George Kyriazis princeton.edu [128.112.128.1]: /pub/Graphics (note capital ""G"") - *Rayshade 4.0 ray tracer (and separate 387 executable)*, *color quantization code*, *SPD*, *RT News*, *Wilson's RT abstracts*, ""RT bib*, *Utah Raster Toolkit*, newer FBM, *Graphics Gems I, II & III code*. /pub/graphics directory - *SALEM* and other stuff. Craig Kolb [replaces weedeater.math.yale.edu - note the capital ""G"" in pub/Graphics] Because there's a trouble with princeton's incoming area, you can upload Rayshade-specific stuff to weedeater.math.yale.edu [128.36.23.17] alfred.ccs.carleton.ca [134.117.1.1]: /pub/dkbtrace - *DKB ray tracer*, /pub/pov-ray/POV-Ray1.0 - *PVRay Compuserve group ray tracer (or PoV)*. David Buck avalon.chinalake.navy.mil [129.131.31.11]: 3D objects (multiple formats), utilities, file format documents. This site was created to be a 3D object ""repository"" for the net. Francisco X DeJesus omicron.cs.unc.edu [152.2.128.159]: pub/softlab/CHVRTD - Chapel Hill Volume Rendering Test Datasets. ftp.mv.com [192.80.84.1]: - Official DDJ FTP repository. *XSHARP* peipa.essex.ac.uk [155.245.115.161]: the Pilot European Image Processing Archive; in a directory ipa/synth or something like that, there are image synthesis packages. Adrian Clarke barkley.berkeley.edu [128.32.142.237] : tcl/extensions/tsipp3.0b.tar.Z - *Tcl-SIPP* Mark Diekhans acs.cps.msu.edu [35.8.56.90]: pub/sass - *X window fonts converter into Rayshade 3.0 polygons*, Rayshade animation tool(s). Ron Sass hobbes.lbl.gov [128.3.12.38]: *Radiance* ray trace/radiosity package. Greg Ward geom.umn.edu [128.101.25.31] : pub/geomview - *GEOMVIEW* Contact (for GEOMVIEW): software@geom.umn.edu ftp.arc.umn.edu [137.66.130.11] : pub/gvl.tar.Z - the latest version of Bob, Icol and Raz. Source, a manual, man pages, and binaries for IRIX 4.0.5 are included (Bob is a real time volume renderer) pub/ contains also many volume datasets. Ken Chin-Purcell ftp.kpc.com [144.52.120.9] : /pub/graphics/holl91 - Steve Hollasch's Thesis, /pub/graphics/ray4 - *RAY4*, /pub/graphics/wire4 - *WIRE4*. /pub/mirror/avalon - mirror of avalon's 3D objects repository. Steve Hollasch swedishchef.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.54.33] : programs/hollasch-4d - RAY4, SGI Explorer modules and Postscript manual, etc. zamenhof.cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.75] : pub/graphics.formats - Various electronic documents about many object and image formats. Mark Hall will apparently no longer be maintaining it, see ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu. rascal.ics.utexas.edu [128.83.144.1]: /misc/mac/inqueue - VISION-3D facet based modeller, can output RayShade and Radiance files. ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.20.50] : misc/file.formats/graphics.formats - contains various image- and object-format descriptions. Many SciVi tools in various directories, e.g. SGI/Alpha-shape/Alvis-1.0.tar.Z - 3D alpha-shape visualizer (SGI machines only), SGI/Polyview3.0/polyview.Z - interactive visualization and analysis of 3D geometrical structures. Quincey Koziol tucana.noao.edu [140.252.1.1] : /iraf - the IRAF astronomy package ftp.ipl.rpi.edu [128.113.14.50]: sigma/erich - SPD images and Haines thesis images. pub/images - various 24 and 8 bit image stills and sequences. Kevin Martin ftp.psc.edu [128.182.66.148]: pub/p3d - p3d_2_0.tar P3D lispy scene language & renderers. Joel Welling ftp.ee.lbl.gov [128.3.254.68]: *pbmplus.tar.Z*, RayShade data files. Jef Poskanzer george.lbl.gov [128.3.196.93]: pub/ccs-lib/ccs.tar.Z - *CCS (Complex Conversion System), a standard software interface for image processing* hanauma.stanford.edu [36.51.0.16]: /pub/graphics/Comp.graphics - best of comp.graphics (very extensive), ray-tracers - DBW, MTV, QRT, and more. Joe Dellinger ftp.uu.net [192.48.96.2]: /graphics - *IRIT*, RT News back issues (not complete), NURBS models, other graphics related material. /graphics/jpeg/jpegsrc.v?.tar.Z - Independent JPEG Group package for reading and writing JPEG files. freebie.engin.umich.edu [141.212.68.23]: *Utah Raster Toolkit*, Spencer Thomas export.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.0.12] : /contrib - pbmplus, Image Magick, xloadimage, xli, xv, Img, lots more. /pub/R5untarred/mit/demos/gpc - NCGA Graphics Performance Characterization (GPC) Suite. life.pawl.rpi.edu [128.113.10.2]: /pub/ray - *Kyriazis stochastic Ray Tracer*. George Kyriazis cs.utah.edu [128.110.4.21]: /pub - Utah raster toolkit, *NURBS databases*. Jamie Painter gatekeeper.dec.com [16.1.0.2]: /pub/DEC/off.tar.Z - *OFF models*, Also GPC Benchmark files (planned, but not checked). Randi Rost hubcap.clemson.edu [130.127.8.1]: /pub/amiga/incoming/imagine - stuff for the Amiga Imagine & Turbo Silver ray tracers. /pub/amiga/TTDDDLIB - *TTDDDLIB* /pub/amiga/incoming/imagine/objects - MANY objects. Glenn Lewis pprg.eece.unm.edu [129.24.24.10]: /pub/khoros - *Khoros image processing package (huge, but great)*. Danielle Argiro expo.lcs.mit.edu [18.30.0.212]: contrib - *PBMPLUS portable bitmap package*, *poskbitmaptars bitmap collection*, *Raveling Img*, xloadimage. Jef Poskanzer venera.isi.edu [128.9.0.32]: */pub/Img.tar.z and img.tar.z - some image manipulation*, /pub/images - RGB separation photos. Paul Raveling ucsd.edu [128.54.16.1]: /graphics - utah rle toolkit, pbmplus, fbm, databases, MTV, DBW and other ray tracers, world map, other stuff. Not updated much recently. castlab.engr.wisc.edu [128.104.52.10]: /pub/x3d.2.2.tar.Z - *X3D* /pub/xdart.1.1.* - *XDART* Mark Spychalla sgi.com [192.48.153.1]: /graphics/tiff - TIFF 6.0 spec & *LIBTIFF* software and pics. Also much SGI- and GL-related stuff (e.g. OpenGL manuals) Sam Leffler [supercedes okeeffe.berkeley.edu for the LIBTIFF stuff] surya.waterloo.edu [129.97.129.72]: /graphics - FBM, ray tracers ftp.sdsc.edu [132.249.20.22]: /sdscpub - *SDSC* ftp.brl.mil [128.63.16.158]: /brl-cad - information on how to get the BRL CAD package & ray tracer. /images - various test images. A texture library has also begun here. Lee A. Butler cicero.cs.umass.edu [128.119.40.189]: /texture_temp - 512x512 grayscale Brodatz textures, from Julien Flack . karazm.math.uh.edu [129.7.7.6]: pub/Graphics/rtabs.shar.12.90.Z - *Wilson's RT abstracts*, VM_pRAY. J. Eric Townsend ftp.pitt.edu [130.49.253.1]: /users/qralston/images - 24 bit image archive (small). James Ralston Crawford ftp.tc.cornell.edu [128.84.201.1]: /pub/vis - *VREND* sunee.waterloo.edu [129.97.50.50]: /pub/raytracers - vivid, *REND386* [or sunee.uwaterloo.ca] archive.umich.edu [141.211.164.153]: /msdos/graphics - PC graphics stuff. /msdos/graphics/raytrace - VIVID2. apple.apple.com [130.43.2.2?]: /pub/ArchiveVol2/prt. research.att.com [192.20.225.2]: /netlib/graphics - *SPD package*, ~/polyhedra - *polyhedra databases*. (If you don't have FTP, use the netlib automatic mail replier: UUCP - research!netlib, Internet - netlib@ornl.gov. Send one line message ""send index"" for more info, ""send haines from graphics"" to get the SPD) siggraph.org [128.248.245.250]: SIGGRAPH archive site. publications - *Online Bibliography Project*, Conference proceedings in various electronic formats (papers, panels), SIGGRAPH Video Review information and order forms. Other stuff in various directories. Automatic mailer is archive-server@siggraph.org (""send index""). ftp.cs.unc.edu [128.109.136.159]: pub/reaction_diffusion - Greg Turk's work on reaction-diffusion textures, X windows code (SIGGRAPH '91) avs.ncsc.org [128.109.178.23]: ~ftp/VolVis92 - Volume datasets from the Boston Workshop on Volume Visualization '92. This site is also the International AVS Center. Terry Myerson uvacs.cs.virginia.edu [128.143.8.100]: pub/suit/demo/{sparc,dec,etc} - SUIT (Simple User Interface Toolkit). ""finger suit@uvacs.cs.virginia.edu"" to get detailed instructions. nexus.yorku.ca [130.63.9.66]: /pub/reports/Radiosity_code.tar.Z - *RAD* /pub/reports/Radiosity_thesis.ps.Z - *RAD MSc. Thesis* [This site will be changed to ftp.yorku.ca in the near future] milton.u.washington.edu [128.95.136.1] - ~ftp/public/veos - VEOS Virtual Reality and distributed applications prototyping environment for Unix. Veos Software Support : veos-support@hitl.washington.edu oldpublic/fly - FLY! 3D Visualization Software demo. That package is built for ""fly-throughs"" from various datasets in near real-time. There are binaries for many platforms. Also, much other Virtual Reality stuff. zug.csmil.umich.edu [141.211.184.2]: X-Xpecs 3D files (an LCD glass shutter for Amiga computers - great for VR stuff!) sugrfx.acs.syr.edu [128.230.24.1]: Various stereo-pair images. [ Has closed down :-( ] sunsite.unc.edu [152.2.22.81]: /pub/academic/computer-science/virtual-reality - Final copy of the sugrfx.acs.syr.edu archive that ceased to exist. It contains Powerglove code, VR papers, 3D images and IRC research material. Jonathan Magid archive.cis.ohio-state.edu [128.146.8.52]: pub/siggraph92 - Code for Siggraph '92 Course 23 (Procedural Modeling and Rendering Techniques) Dr. David S. Ebert lyapunov.ucsd.edu [132.239.86.10]: This machine is considered the repository for preprints and programs for nonlinear dynamics, signal processing, and related subjects (and fractals, of course!) Matt Kennel cod.nosc.mil [128.49.16.5]: /pub/grid.{ps,tex,ascii} - a short survey of methods to interpolate and contour bivariate data ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.1]: /honig --- Various stereo-pair images, movie.c - animates a movie on an X display (8-bit and mono) with digital subtraction. taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil [131.120.1.13]: pub/dabro/cyberware_demo.tar.Z - Human head data pioneer.unm.edu [129.24.9.217]: pub/texture_maps - Hans du Buf's grayscale test textures (aerial swatches, Brodatz textures, synthetic swatches). Space & planetary image repository. Provides access to >150 CD-ROMS with data/images (3 on-line at a time). pub/info/beginner-info - here you should start browsing. Colby Kraybill . cs.brown.edu [128.148.33.66] : *SRGP/SPHIGS* . For more info on SRGP/SPHIGS: mail -s 'software-distribution' graphtext@cs.brown.edu pdb.pdb.bnl.gov [130.199.144.1] has data about various organic molecules, bonds between the different atoms, etc. Atomic coordinates (and a load of other stuff) are contained in the ""*.ent"" files, but the actual atomic dimemsions seem to be missing. You could convert these data to PoV, rayshade, etc. biome.bio.ns.ca [142.2.20.2] : /pub/art - some Renoir paintings, Escher's pictures, etc. ic16.ee.umanitoba.ca [] : /specmark - sample set of images from the `Images from the Edge' CD-ROM (images of atomic landscapes, advanced semiconductors, superconductors and experimental surface chemistry among others). Contact ruskin@ee.umanitoba.ca explorer.dgp.toronto.edu [128.100.1.129] : pub/sgi/clrpaint - *CLRpaint* pub/sgi/clrview.* - CLRview, a tool that aids in visualization of GIS datasets in may formats like DXF, DEM, Arc/Info, etc. ames.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.18.3]: pub/SPACE/CDROM - images from Magellan and Viking missions etc. Get pub/SPACE/Index first. pub/SPACELINK has most of the SpaceLink service data (see below) e-mail server available: send mail to archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov (or ames!archive-server) with subject:""help"" or ""send SPACE Index"" (without the quotes!) Peter Yee pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.6.2]: images, other data, etc. from JPL missions. Modem access at (818)-354-1333 (no parity, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit). newsdesk@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov or phone (818)-354-7170 spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov [128.158.13.250] (passwd:guest) : space graphics and GIF images from NASA's planetary probes and the Hubble Telescope. Main function is support for teachers (you can telnet also to this site). Dial up access: (205)-895-0028 (300/1200/2400/9600(V.32) baud, 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit). stsci.edu [130.167.1.2] : Hubble Space Telescope stuff (images and other data). Read the README first! Pete Reppert or Chris O'Dea pit-manager.mit.edu [18.172.1.27]: /pub/usenet/news.answers - the land of FAQs. graphics and pictures directories of particular interest. [Also available from mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu by sending a mail message containing: help] UUCP archive: avatar - RT News back issues. For details, write Kory Hamzeh EUROPE: ------- nic.funet.fi [128.214.6.100]: *pub/sci/papers - *Paper bank project, including Pete Shirley's entire thesis (with pics)*, *Wilson's RT abstracts*, pub/misc/CIA_WorldMap - CIA world data bank, comp.graphics.research archive, *India*, and much, much more. Juhana Kouhia dasun2.epfl.ch [128.178.62.2]: Radiance. Good for European sites, but doesn't carry the add-ons that are available for Radiance. isy.liu.se [130.236.1.3]: pub/sipp/sipp-3.0.tar.Z - *SIPP* scan line z-buffer and Phong shading renderer. Jonas Yngvesson irisa.fr [131.254.2.3]: */iPSC2/VM_pRAY ray tracer*, SPD, /NFF - many non-SPD NFF format scenes, RayShade data files. Didier Badouel [may have disappeared] phoenix.oulu.fi [130.231.240.17]: *FLI RayTracker animation files (PC VGA) - also big .FLIs (640*480)* *RayScene demos* [Americans: check wuarchive first]. More animations to come. Jari Kahkonen jyu.fi [128.214.7.5]: /pub/graphics/ray-traces - many ray tracers, including VM_pRAY, DBW, DKB, MTV, QRT, RayShade, some RT News, NFF files. Jari Toivanen garbo.uwasa.fi [128.214.87.1]: Much PC stuff, etc., /pc/source/contour.f - FORTRAN program to contour scattered data using linear triangle-based interpolation asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17]: pub/RTrace - *RTrace* nffutils.tar.Z (NFF utilities for RTrace), medical data (CAT, etc.) converters to NFF, Autocad to NFF Autolisp code, AUTOCAD 11 to SCN (RTrace's language) converter and other goodies. Antonio Costa (acc@asterix.inescn.pt) vega.hut.fi [128.214.3.82]: /graphics - RTN archive, ray tracers (MTV, QRT, others), NFF, some models. [ It was shut down months ago , check under nic.funet.fi -- nfotis ] sun4nl.nluug.nl [192.16.202.2]: /pub/graphics/raytrace - DBW.microray, MTV, etc unix.hensa.ac.uk [] : misc/unix/ralcgm/ralcgm.tar.Z - CGM viewer and converter. There's an e-mail server also - mail to archive@unix.hensa.ac.uk with the message body ""send misc/unix/ralcgm/ralcgm.tar.Z"" maeglin.mt.luth.se [130.240.0.25]: graphics/raytracing - prt, others, ~/Doc - *Wilson's RT abstracts*, Vivid. ftp.fu-berlin.de [130.20.225.2]: /pub/unix/graphics/rayshade4.0/inputs - aq.tar.Z is RayShade aquarium [Americans: check princeton.edu first). Heiko Schlichting maggia.ethz.ch [129.132.17.1]: pub/inetray - *Inetray* and Sun RPC 4.0 code Andreas Thurnherr osgiliath.id.dth.dk [129.142.65.24]: /pub/amiga/graphics/Radiance - *Amiga port of Radiance 2.0*. Per Bojsen ftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de [134.106.1.9] : *PoV raytracer* Mirrored in wuarchive, has many goods for PoV. pub/dkbtrace/incoming/polyray - Polyray raytracer pub/dkbtrace/incoming/pv3d* - *PV3D* ftp.uni-kl.de [131.246.9.95]: /pub/amiga/raytracing/imagine - mirror of the hubcap Imagine files. neptune.inf.ethz.ch [129.132.101.33]: XYZ - *XYZ GeoBench* Peter Schorn iamsun.unibe.ch [130.92.64.10]: /Graphics/graphtal* - a L-system interpreter. Christoph Streit amiga.physik.unizh.ch [130.60.80.80]: /amiga/gfx - Graphics stuff for the Amiga computer. stesis.hq.eso.org [134.171.8.100]: on-line access to a huge astronomical database. (login:starcat;no passwd) DECnet:STESIS (It's the Space Telescope European Coordination Facility) Benoit Pirenne , phone +49 89 320 06 433 MIDDLE EAST ----------- gauss.technion.ac.il [132.68.112.60]: *kaleida* AUSTRALIA: ---------- gondwana.ecr.mu.oz.au [128.250.70.62]: pub - *VORT(ART) ray tracer*, *VOGLE*, Wilson's ray tracing abstracts, /pub/contrib/artscenes (ART scenes from Italy), pub/images/haines - Haines thesis images, Graphics Gems code, SPD, NFF & OFF databases, NFF and OFF previewers, plus some 8- and 24bit images and lots of other stuff. pub/rad.tar.Z - *SGI_RAD* Bernie Kirby munnari.oz.au [128.250.1.21]: pub/graphics/vort.tar.Z - *VORT (ART) 2.1 CSG and algebraic surface ray tracer*, *VOGLE*, /pub - DBW, pbmplus. /graphics - room.tar.Z (ART scenes from Italy). David Hook marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au [134.7.1.1]: pub/graphics/bibliography/Facial_Animation, pub/graphics/bibliography/Morph, pub/graphics/bibliography/UI - stuff about Facial animation, Morphing and User Interfaces. pub/fascia - Fred Parke's fascia program. Valerie Hall OCEANIA - ASIA: --------------- ccu1.aukland.ac.nz [130.216.1.5]: ftp/mac/architec - *VISION-3D facet based modeller, can output RayShade files*. Many other neat things for Macs. Paul Bourke scslwide.sony.co.jp [133.138.199.1]: ftp2/SGI/Facial-Animation - Steve Franks site for facial animation. Steve Franks 4. Mail servers and graphics-oriented BBSes =========================================== Please check first with the FTP places above, with archie's help. Don't overuse mail servers. There are some troubles with wrong return addresses. Many of these mail servers have a command like path a_valid_return_e-mail_address to get a hint for sending back to you stuff. DEC's FTPMAIL ------------- Send a one-line message to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com WITHOUT a Subject: field, and having a line containing the word 'help'. You should get back a message detailing the relevant procedures you must follow in order to get the files you want. Note that the ""reply"" or ""answer"" command in your mailer will not work for this message or any other mail you receive from FTPMAIL. To send requests to FTPMAIL, send an original mail message, not a reply. Complaints should be sent to the ftpmail-request@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com address rather than to postmaster, since DECWRL's postmaster is not responsible for fixing ftpmail problems. BITFTP ------ For BITNET sites ONLY, there's BITFTP@PUCC. Send a one-line 'help' message to this address for more info. Lightwave 3D mail based file-server ----------------------------------- A mail based file server for 3D objects, 24bit JPEG images, GIF images and image maps is now online for all those with Internet mail access. The server is the official archive site for the Lightwave 3D mail-list and contains many PD and Shareware graphics utilities for several computer platforms including Amiga, Atari, IBM and Macintosh. The server resides on a BBS called ""The Graphics BBS"". The BBS is operational 24 hours a day 7 days a week at the phone number of +1 908/469-0049. It has upgraded its modem to a Hayes Ultra 144 V.32bis/V.42bis, which has speeds from 300bps up to 38,400bps. If you would like to submit objects, scenes or images to the server, please pack, uuencode and then mail the files to the address: server@bobsbox.rent.com. For information on obtaining files from the server send a mail message to the address file-server@graphics.rent.com with the following in the body of the message: HELP /DIR And a help file describing how to use the server and a complete directory listing will be sent to you via mail. [ Now it includes the Cyberware head and shouders in TTDDD format! Check it out, only if you can't use FTP! -- nfotis ] INRIA-GRAPHLIB -------------- Pierre Jancene and Sabine Coquillart launched the inria-graphlib mail server a few months ago. echo help | mail inria-graphlib@inria.fr will give you a quick summary of what inria-graphlib contains and how to browse among its files. echo send contents | mail inria-graphlib@inria.fr will return the extended summary. As an other example : echo send cgrl from Misc | mail inria-graphlib@inria.fr will return the Computer Graphics Resource Listing mirrored from comp.graphics. BBSes ----- There are many BBSes that store datafiles, etc.etc., but a guide to these is beyond the scope of this Listing (and the resources of the author!) If you can point to me Internet- or mail- accessible BBSes that carry interesting stuff, send me info! Studio Amiga is a 3D modelling and ray tracing specific BBS, (817) 467-3658. 24 hours, 105 Meg online. -- From Jeff Walkup : ""The Castle"" 415/355-2396 (14.4K/v.32bis/v.42/v.42bis/MNP) (In Pacifica, dang close to San Francisco, California, USA) The new-user password is: ""TAO"". [J]oin base #2; The Castle G/FX, Anim, Video, 3D S.I.G., of which I am the SIG-Op, ""Lazerus"". -- Bob Lindabury operates a BBS (see above the entry for ""The Graphics BBS"") -- 'You Can Call Me Ray' ray tracing related BBS in Chicago suburbs (708-358-5611) or (708-358-8721) -- Digital Pixel (Sysop: Mark Ng ) is based at Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Phone : (416) 298 1487 Storage space: 330 megs Modem type: 14.4k baud,16.8k (Zyxel) , v32bis ,v32, mnp 5 Access Fee: none.. (free) System supported : DOS, OS/2, Amiga, Mac. Netmail: Currently no echo mail. Topics: Raytracing, Fractals, Graphics programming, CAD, Any Comp. Graphics related -- From: David Tiberio Amiga Graphics BBS (516) 473-6351 in Long Island, New York, running 24 hours at 14.4k v.32bis, with 157 megs on line. We also subscribe to 9 mailing lists, of which 5 originate from our BBS, with 3 more to be added soon. These include: Lightwave, Imagine, Real 3D (ray tracing) Database files include: Imagine 3D objects, 3D renderings, scalable fonts, music modules, sound samples, demos, animations, utilities, text databases, and pending Lightwave 3D objects. -- The Graphics Alternative The Graphics Alternative is in El Cerrito, CA., running 24 hours a day at 14.4k HST/v.32bis, with 642MB online and a 1300+ user base. TGA runs two nodes, node 1 (510) 524-2780 is for public access and includes a free 90 day trial subscription. TGA is the West Coast Host for PCGnet, The Profesional CAD and Graphics Network, supporting nodes across the Continental U.S., Alaska, New Zealand, Australia, France and the UK. TGA's file database includes MS-DOS executables for POV, Vivid, RTrace, Rayshade, Polyray, and others. TGA also has numerous graphics utilities, viewers, and conversion utilities. Registered Vivid users can also download the latest Vivid aeta code from a special Vivid conference. -- From: Scott Bethke The Intersection BBS, 410-250-7149. This BBS Is dedicated to supporting 3D Animators.The system is provided FREE OF CHARGE, and is NOT Commercialized in ANYWAY. Users are given FULL Access on the first call. Features: Usenet NEWS & Internet Mail, Fidonet Echo's & Netmail, 200 Megs online, V.32bis/V.42bis Modem. Platforms of interest: Amiga & The VideoToaster, Macintosh, Ms-Dos, Unix Workstations (Sun, SGI, etc), Atari-ST. -- From: Alfonso Hermida : Pi Square BBS (301)725-9080 in Maryland. It supports raytracers such as POV and VIVID. The BBS runs off a 486/33Mhz, 100Megs hard drive and CD ROM. Now it runs on 1200-2400bps (this will change soon) Topics: graphics programming, animation,raytracing,programming (general) -- From: Lynn Falkow : Vertech Design's GRAPHIC CONNECTION. (503) 591-8412 in Portland, Oregon. V.32/V.42bis. The BBS, aside from carrying typical BBS services like message bases ( all topic specific ) and files ( CAD and graphics related -- hundreds of megabytes ), also offers material texture files that are full color, seamlessly tiling, photo-realistic images. There are samples available to first time callers. The BBS is a subscription system although callers have 2 hours before they must subscribe, and there are several subscription rates available. People interested in materials can subscribe to the library in addition to a basic subscription rate, and can use their purchased time to download whichever materials they wish. ========================================================================== 5. Ray-tracing/graphics-related mailing lists ============================================= Imagine ------- Modeling and animation system for the Amiga: send subscription requests to Imagine-request@email.sp.paramax.com send material to Imagine@email.sp.paramax.com (Dave Wickard has substituted Steve Worley in the maintenance of the mailing list) - PLEASE note that the unisys.com address is NO longer valid!!! Lightwave --------- (for the Amiga. It's part of Newtek's Video Toaster): send subscription requests to lightwave-request@bobsbox.rent.com send material to lightwave@bobsbox.rent.com (Bob Lindabury) Toaster ------- send subscription requests to listserv@karazm.math.uh.edu with a *body* of: subscribe toaster-list Real 3D ------- Another modeling and animation system for the Amiga: To subscribe, send a mail containing the body subscribe real3d-l to listserv@gu.uwa.edu.au Rayshade -------- send subscription requests to rayshade-request@cs.princeton.edu send material to rayshade-users@cs.princeton.edu (Craig Kolb) Alladin 4D for the Amiga ---------- send subscription requests to subscribe@xamiga.linet.org and in the body of the message write #Alladin 4D username@domain Radiance -------- Greg Ward, the author, sends to registered (via e-mail) users digests of his correspodence with them, notes about fixes, updates, etc. His address is: gjward@lbl.gov REND386 ------- send subscription requests to rend386-request@sunee.waterloo.edu send material to rend386@sunee.waterloo.edu PoV ray / DKB raytracers ------------------------ To subscribe, send a mail containing the body subscribe dkb-l to listserv@trearn.bitnet send material to dkb-l@trearn.bitnet Mailing List for Massively Parallel Rendering --------------------------------------------- send subscription requests to mp-render-request@icase.edu send material to mp-render@icase.edu ========================================================================== 6. 3D graphics editors ====================== a. Public domain, free and shareware systems ============================================ VISION-3D --------- Mac-based program written by Paul D. Bourke (pdbourke@ccu1.aukland.ac.nz). The program can be used to generate models directly in the RayShade and Radiance file formats (polygons only). It's shareware and listed on the FTP list. BRL --- A solid modeling system for most environments -- including SGI and X11. It has CSG and NURBS, plus support for Non-Manifold Geometry [Whatever it is]. You can get it *free* via FTP by signing and returning the relevant license, found on ftp.brl.mil. Uses ray-tracing for engineering analyses. Contact: Ms. Carla Moyer (410)-273-7794 tel. (410)-272-6763 FAX cad-dist@brl.mil E-mail Snail mail: BRL-CAD Distribution SURVIAC Aberdeen Satellite Office 1003 Old Philadelphia Road, Suite 103 Aberdeen MD 21001 USA IRIT ---- A constructive solid geometry (CSG) modeling program for PC and X11. Includes freeform surface support. Free - see FTP list for where to find it. SurfModel --------- A solid modeling program for PC written in Turbo Pascal 6.0 by Ken Van Camp. Available from SIMTEL, pd1: directory. NOODLES ------- From CMU, namely Fritz Printz and Levent Gursoz (elg@styx.edrc.cmu.edu). It's based on Non Manifold Topology. Ask them for more info, I don't know if they give it away. XYZ2 ---- XYZ2 is an interactive 3-D editor/builder written by Dale P. Stocker to create objects for the SurfaceModel, Automove, and DKB raytracer packages. XYZ2 is free and can be found, for example, in SIMTEL20 as XYZ21.ZIP (DOS only??) 3DMOD ----- It's an MSDOS program. Check at barnacle.erc.clarkson.edu [128.153.28.12], /pub/msdos/graphics/3dmod.* . Undocumented file format :-( 3DMOD is (C) 1991 by Micah Silverman, 25 Pierrepoint Ave., Postdam, New York 13676, tel. 315-265-7140 NORTHCAD -------- Shareware, NCAD3D42.ZIP in SIMTEL20. Undocumented file format :-( Vertex ------ (Amiga) Shareware, send $40 US (check or money order) to: The Art Machine, 4189 Nickolas Sterling Heights, MI 48310 USA In addition to the now standard file formats, including Lightwave, Imagine, Sculpt, Turbo Silver, GEO and Wavefront, this release offers 3D Professional and RayShade support. (Rayshade is supported only by the primitive ""triangle"", but you can easily include this output in your RayShade scripts) The latest demo, version 1.62, is available on Fred Fish #727. For more information, contact the author, Alex Deburie, at: ad99s461@sycom.mi.org, Phone: (313) 939-2513 ICoons ------ (Amiga) It's a spline based object modeller (""ICoons"" = Interactive COONS path editor) in amiga.physik.unizh.ch (gfx/3d/ICoons1.0.lzh). It's free (under the GNU Licence) and requires FPU. The program has a look&feel which is a cross between Journeyman and Imagine, and it generates objects in TTDDD format. It is possible to load Journeyman objects into ICoons, so the program can be used to convert JMan objects to Imagine format. Author: Helge E. Rasmussen PHONE + 45 36 72 33 00, FAX + 45 36 72 43 00 [ It's also on Fred Fish disk series n.775 - nfotis ] ProtoCAD 3D ----------- Ver 1.1 from Trius (shareware?) It's at wsmr-simtel20.army.mil and oak.oakland.edu as PCAD3D.ZIP (for PCs) It has this menu layout: FILE File handling (Load, Save, Import, Xport...) DRAW Draw 2D objects (Line, Circle, Box...) 3D Draw 3D objects (Mesh, Sphere, Block...) EDIT Editing features (Copy, Move ...) SURFACE Modify objects (Revolve, Xtrude, Sweep...) IMAGE Image zooming features (Update, Window, Half...) OPTION Global defaults (Grid, Toggles, Axis...) PLOT Print drawing/picture (Go, Image...) RENDER Shade objects (Frame, Lighting, Tune...) LAYER Layer options (Select active layer, set Colors...) +Sculptura +--------- + Runs under Windows 3.1, and outputs PoV files. A demo can be found + on wuarchive.wustl.edu in mirrors/win3/demo/demo3d.zip + + Author: Michael Gibson b. Commercial systems ===================== Alpha_1 ------- A spline-based modeling program written in University of Utah. Features: splines up to trimmed NURBS; support for boolean operations; sweeps, bending, warping, flattening etc.; groups of objects, and transformations; extensible object types. Applications include: NC machining, Animation utilities, Dimensioning, FEM analysis, etc. Rendering subsystem, with support for animations. Support the following platforms: HP 300 and 800's (X11R4, HP-UX 6.5), SGI 4D or PI machines (X11R4 and GL, IRIX 3.3.1), Sun SparcStation (X11R4, SunOS 4.1.1). Licensing and distribution is handled by EGS: Glenn McMinn, President Engineering Geometry Systems 275 East South Temple, Suite 305 Salt Lake City, UT 84111 (801) 575-6021 mcminn@cs.utah.edu [ Educational pricing ] The charge is $675 per platform. You may run the system on as many different workstations of that type as you wish. For each platform there is also a $250 licensing fee for Portable Standard Lisp (PSL) which is bundled with the system. You need to obtain an additional license from the University of Utah for PSL from the following address: Professor Robert Kessler Computer Science Department University of Utah Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 [ EGS can handle the licensing of PSL for U.S. institutions for a 300 $USD nominal fee -- nfotis ] VERTIGO ------- They have an Educational Institution Program. The package is used in the industrial design, architectural, scientific visualization, educational, broadcast, imaging and post production fields. They'll [quoting from a letter sent to me -- nfotis ] ""donate fully configured Vertigo 3D Graphics Software worth over $29,000USD per package to qualified educational institutions for licencing on any number of Silicon Graphics Personal IRIS or POWER Series Workstations. If you use an IRIS Indigo station, we will also licence our Vertigo Revolution Software (worth $12,000USD). If you are interested in participating in this program please send a letter by mail or fax (604/684-2108) on your institution's letterhead briefly outlining your potential uses for Vertigo together with the following information: 1. UNIX version 2. Model and number of SGI systems 3. Peripheral devices 4. Third Party Software. Participants will be asked to contribute $750USD per institution to cover costs of the manual, administration, and shipping. We recommend that Vertigo users subscribe to our technical support services. For an annual fee you will receive: technical assistance on our support hotline, bug fixes, software upgrades and manual updates. For educational institution we will waive the $750 administration fee if support is purchased. The annual support fee is $2,500 plus the following cost for additional machines: Number of machines: 2-20 20+ Additional cost per machine: $700 $600 "" [ There's also a 5-day training program - nfotis] Contact: Vertigo Technology INC Suite 1010 1030 West Georgia St. VANCOUVER, BC CANADA, V6E 2Y3 Phone: 604/684-2113 Fax: 604/684-2108 [ Does anyone know of such offers from TDI, Alias, Softimage, Wavefront, etc.??? this would be a VERY interesting part!! -- nfotis ] PADL-2 ------ [ Basically, it's a Solid Modeling Kernel in top of which you build your application(s)] Available by license from Cornell Programmable Automation Cornell University 106 Engineering and Theory Center Ithaca, NY 14853 License fees are very low for educational institutions and gov't agencies. Internal commercial licenses and re-dissemination licenses are available. For an information packet, write to the above address, or send your address to: marisa@cpa.tn.cornell.edu (Richard Marisa) ACIS ---- From Spatial Technology. It's a Solid Modelling kernel callable from C. Heard that many universities got free copies from the company. The person to contact regarding ACIS in academic institutions is Scott Owens, e-mail: sdo@spatial.com And their address is: Spatial Technology, Inc. 2425 55th St., Bldg. A Boulder, CO 80301-5704 Phone: (303) 449-0649, Fax: (303) 449-0926 MOVIE-BYU / CQUEL.BYU --------------------- Basically [in my understanding], this is a FEM pre- and post-proccessor system. It's fairly old today, but it still serves some people in Mech. Eng. Depts. Now it's superseded from CQUEL.BYU (pronounced ""sequel""). That's a complete modelling, animation and visualization package. Runs in the usual workstation environments (SUN, DEC, HP, SGI, IBM RS6000, and others) You can get a demo version (30-days trial period) either by sending $20 USD in their address or a blank tape. It costs 1,500 for a full run-time licence. Contact: Engineering Computer Graphics Lab 368 Clyde Building, Brigham Young Univ. Provo, UT 84602 Phone: 801-378-2812 E-mail: cquel@byu.edu twixt ----- Soon to add stuff about it... If I get a reply to my FAX VOXBLAST -------- It's a volume renderer marketed by: Vaytek Inc. (Fairfield, Iowa phone: 515-472-2227) , running on PCs with 386+FPU at least. Call Vaytek for more info. VoxelBox -------- A 3D Volume renderer for Windows. Features include direct ray-traced volume rendering, color and alpha mapping, gradient lighting, animation, reflections and shadows. Runs on a PC(386 or higher) with at least an 8 bit video card(SVGA is fine) under Windows 3.x. It costs $495. Contact: Jaguar Software Inc. 573 Main St., Suite 9B Winchester, MA 01890 (617) 729-3659 jwp@world.std.com (john w poduska) ========================================================================== 7. Scene description languages ============================== NFF --- Neutral file format , by Eric Haines. Very simple, there are some procedural database generators in the SPD package, and many objects floating in various FTP sites. There's also a previewer written in HP Starbase from E.Haines. Also there's one written in VOGLE, so you can use any of the devices VOGLE can output on. (Check in sites carrying VOGLE, like gondwana.ecr.mu.oz.au) OFF --- Object file format, from DEC's Randy Rost (rost@kpc.com). [ The object archive server seems to be mothballed. In a future version, I'll remove the ref. to it -- nfotis ] Available also through their mail server. To obtain help about using this service, send a message with a ""Subject:"" line containing only the word ""help"" and a null message body to: object-archive-server@decwrl.dec.com. [For FTP places to get it, see in the relevant place]. There's an OFF previewer for SGI 4D machines, called off-preview in godzilla.cgl.rmit.oz.au . There are previewers for xview and sunview, also on gondwana. TDDD ---- It's a library of 3D objects with translators to/from OFF, NFF, Rayshade, Imagine or vort objects. Edited copy of the announcement follows (from Raytracing News, V4,#3): New Library of 3D Objects Available via FTP, by Steve Worley (worley@cup.portal.com) I have assembled a set of over 150 3D objects in a binary format called TDDD. These objects range from human figures to airplanes, from semi-trucks to lampposts. These objects are all freely distributable, and most have READMEs that describe them. In order to convert these objects to a human-readable format, a file with the specification of TDDD is included in the directory with the objects. There is also a shareware system called TTDDDLIB (officially on hubcap.clemson.edu) that will convert (ala PBM+) to/from various object formats : Imagine TTDDD (extension of TDDD?), OFF, NFF, Rayshade 4.0, or vort. Source included for Amiga/Unix as executables for the Amiga. Also outputs Framemaker MIF files and isometric views in Postscript. P3D --- From Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center. The P3D uses lisp with slight extensions to store three-dimensional models. A simple lisp interpreter is included with the P3D release, so there is no need to have access to any vendor's lisp to run this software. The mouse-driven user interfaces for Motif, Open Look, and Silicon Graphics GL, and the DrawP3D subroutine library for generating P3D without ever looking at the underlying Lisp. The P3D software currently supports nine renderers. They are: Painter - Painter's Algorithm, Dore, Silicon Graphics Inc. GL language, Generic Phigs, Sun Phigs+, DEC Phigs+, Rayshade, ART ray tracer (from VORT package) and Pixar RenderMan. The code is available via anonymous FTP from the machines ftp.psc.edu, directory pub/p3d, and nic.funet.fi, directory pub/graphics/programs/p3d. RenderMan --------- Pixar's RenderMan is not free - call Pixar for details. ========================================================================== 8. Solids description formats ============================= a. EEC's ESPRIT project 322 CAD*I (CAD Interfaces) has developed a neutral file format for transfer of CAD data (curves, surfaces, and solid models between CAD systems and from CAD to CAA (Computer Aided Analysis) an CAM (Computer Aided Manufacturing) b. IGES [v. 5.1 now] tries to define a standard to tranfer solid models - Brep and CSG. The current standard number is ANSI Y14.26M-1987 For documentation, you might want to contact Nancy Flower at NCGA Technical Services and Standards, 1-800-225-6242 ext. 325 and the cost is $100. This standard is not available in electronic format. c. PDES/STEP : This slowly emerging standard tries to encompass not only the geometrical information, but also for things like FEM, etc. The main bodies besides this standard are NIST and DARPA. You can get more information about PDES by sending mail to nptserver@cme.nist.gov and putting the line send index in the body (NOT the Subject:) area of the message. The people at Rutherford Appleton Lab. are also working on STEP tools: they have an EXPRESS compiler and an Exchange file parser, both available in source form (and for free) for research purposes. Soon they will also have an EXPRESS-based database system. For the tools contact Mike Mead, Phone: +44 (0235) 44 6710 (FAX: x 5893), e-mail: mm@inf.rl.ac.uk or {...!}mcsun!uknet!rlinf!mm or mm%inf.rl.ac.uk@NSFnet-relay.ac.uk ========================================================================== End of Part 1 of the Resource Listing -- Nick (Nikolaos) Fotis National Technical Univ. of Athens, Greece HOME: 16 Esperidon St., InterNet : nfotis@theseas.ntua.gr Halandri, GR - 152 32 UUCP: mcsun!ariadne!theseas!nfotis Athens, GREECE FAX: (+30 1) 77 84 578 ";-1;0 "From: slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) Subject: Increasing the number of Serial ports Reply-To: slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 15 Does anyone know if there are any devices available for the Mac which will increase the number of serial ports available for use simultaneously? I would like to connect up to 8 serial devices to my Mac for an application I am working on. I must be able to access each one of the independently. If such a device exists, are there are any limits to the number of serial devices I can use? Any information is appreciated. Steven Langlois slang@bnr.ca ";-1;0 "From: nigel.allen@canrem.com (Nigel Allen) Subject: library of congress to host dead sea scroll symposium april 21-22 Lines: 96 Library of Congress to Host Dead Sea Scroll Symposium April 21-22 To: National and Assignment desks, Daybook Editor Contact: John Sullivan, 202-707-9216, or Lucy Suddreth, 202-707-9191 both of the Library of Congress WASHINGTON, April 19 -- A symposium on the Dead Sea Scrolls will be held at the Library of Congress on Wednesday, April 21, and Thursday, April 22. The two-day program, cosponsored by the library and Baltimore Hebrew University, with additional support from the Project Judaica Foundation, will be held in the library's Mumford Room, sixth floor, Madison Building. Seating is limited, and admission to any session of the symposium must be requested in writing (see Note A). The symposium will be held one week before the public opening of a major exhibition, ""Scrolls from the Dead Sea: The Ancient Library of Qumran and Modern Scholarship,"" that opens at the Library of Congress on April 29. On view will be fragmentary scrolls and archaeological artifacts excavated at Qumran, on loan from the Israel Antiquities Authority. Approximately 50 items from Library of Congress special collections will augment these materials. The exhibition, on view in the Madison Gallery, through Aug. 1, is made possible by a generous gift from the Project Judaica Foundation of Washington, D.C. The Dead Sea Scrolls have been the focus of public and scholarly interest since 1947, when they were discovered in the desert 13 miles east of Jerusalem. The symposium will explore the origin and meaning of the scrolls and current scholarship. Scholars from diverse academic backgrounds and religious affiliations, will offer their disparate views, ensuring a lively discussion. The symposium schedule includes opening remarks on April 21, at 2 p.m., by Librarian of Congress James H. Billington, and by Dr. Norma Furst, president, Baltimore Hebrew University. Co-chairing the symposium are Joseph Baumgarten, professor of Rabbinic Literature and Institutions, Baltimore Hebrew University and Michael Grunberger, head, Hebraic Section, Library of Congress. Geza Vermes, professor emeritus of Jewish studies, Oxford University, will give the keynote address on the current state of scroll research, focusing on where we stand today. On the second day, the closing address will be given by Shmaryahu Talmon, who will propose a research agenda, picking up the theme of how the Qumran studies might proceed. On Wednesday, April 21, other speakers will include: -- Eugene Ulrich, professor of Hebrew Scriptures, University of Notre Dame and chief editor, Biblical Scrolls from Qumran, on ""The Bible at Qumran;"" -- Michael Stone, National Endowment for the Humanities distinguished visiting professor of religious studies, University of Richmond, on ""The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Pseudepigrapha."" -- From 5 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. a special preview of the exhibition will be given to symposium participants and guests. On Thursday, April 22, beginning at 9 a.m., speakers will include: -- Magen Broshi, curator, shrine of the Book, Israel Museum, Jerusalem, on ""Qumran: The Archaeological Evidence;"" -- P. Kyle McCarter, Albright professor of Biblical and ancient near Eastern studies, The Johns Hopkins University, on ""The Copper Scroll;"" -- Lawrence H. Schiffman, professor of Hebrew and Judaic studies, New York University, on ""The Dead Sea Scrolls and the History of Judaism;"" and -- James VanderKam, professor of theology, University of Notre Dame, on ""Messianism in the Scrolls and in Early Christianity."" The Thursday afternoon sessions, at 1:30 p.m., include: -- Devorah Dimant, associate professor of Bible and Ancient Jewish Thought, University of Haifa, on ""Qumran Manuscripts: Library of a Jewish Community;"" -- Norman Golb, Rosenberger professor of Jewish history and civilization, Oriental Institute, University of Chicago, on ""The Current Status of the Jerusalem Origin of the Scrolls;"" -- Shmaryahu Talmon, J.L. Magnas professor emeritus of Biblical studies, Hebrew University, Jerusalem, on ""The Essential 'Commune of the Renewed Covenant': How Should Qumran Studies Proceed?"" will close the symposium. There will be ample time for question and answer periods at the end of each session. Also on Wednesday, April 21, at 11 a.m.: The Library of Congress and The Israel Antiquities Authority will hold a lecture by Esther Boyd-Alkalay, consulting conservator, Israel Antiquities Authority, on ""Preserving the Dead Sea Scrolls"" in the Mumford Room, LM-649, James Madison Memorial Building, The Library of Congress, 101 Independence Ave., S.E., Washington, D.C. ------ NOTE A: For more information about admission to the symposium, please contact, in writing, Dr. Michael Grunberger, head, Hebraic Section, African and Middle Eastern Division, Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. 20540. -30- -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044 ";-1;0 "From: fozzard@fsl.noaa.gov (Richard Fozzard) Subject: BMW 530i for sale Organization: NOAA/CIRES (Univ Colo) Distribution: co Lines: 33 1976 BMW 530i The original four door sports sedan Arctic Blue metallic with gold alloy plus-1 wheels (Rial 15"") Goodyear Eagle GT+4 racing tires (mud/snow-rated) 3.0 liter, 186 HP, fuel injected engine w/Stahl headers adjustable gas shocks all around (Koni,BYK) 4 speed stick, 4 wheel power disc brakes, sunroof, PS, AC Listen-Up installed hidden speaker stereo w/subwoofer 208K miles (yet much better condition than most cars w/100K) Meticulously maintained: all records, 3K mi oil changes Faded paint on top, otherwise excellent exterior and interior. The car has required no major repair work in the more than ten years I have owned it. It has never failed to start or broken down, even in the coldest weather. This has been an extraordinarily reliable and economical car, and shows every sign of staying that way. Yet it is an absolute thrill to drive when you take it to secluded twisty mountain road! I sell it now, reluctantly, since I just succumbed to the convertible craving and bought a new Miata. $2500 obo Rich Fozzard 497-6011 or 444-3168 ======================================================================== Richard Fozzard ""Serendipity empowers"" Univ of Colorado/CIRES/NOAA R/E/FS 325 Broadway, Boulder, CO 80303 fozzard@fsl.noaa.gov (303)497-6011 or 444-3168 ";-1;0 "From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) Subject: Re: Wirtz is a weenie Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 27 In article rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Angelo Pleshar) writes: >In other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3 >fewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of >subscription / pay-per-view system. Yuck. This is incorrect. This year the Pens had 61 games on ""free"" TV and 6 games on PPV. Next year they will have 62 games on free TV and 22 on a subscription basis. You actually get 1 more free game than last year, and there will be no more ""radio-only"" games. Its a good deal. Last year, everybody bitched about Baldwin ""breaking up the team"". Now, he goes out of his way to keep the nucleus of this team together and that takes money. He comes up with a creative way to generate more revenue so he can afford this team, and people bitch some more. Everybody wants something for nothing. Dean -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean J. Falcione ""Badges? What badges? We (using jrmst8 by permission Don't need no stinkin' of the owner, Joe McDonald) badges!"" ";-1;0 "From: mjp@austin.ibm.com (Michael Phelps) Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? Originator: mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com Reply-To: mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps) Organization: IBM Kingston NY Keywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser Lines: 27 holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes: |> What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic bullets. |> Would those work very well in stopping an attack? |> |> Doug Holland Any projectile traveling at or near typical bullet speeds is potentially lethal. Even blanks [which have no projectile] can cause death if the muzzle is in close proximity to the victim. I have heard of rubber or plastic bullets being used effectively during riot situations [where the intent is crowd control, rather than close range self defense]; i've also seen reports of deaths caused by them [the British in Northern Ireland]. Use of a firearm for self defense is appropriate and lawful only in the gravest of situations; at that point, i consider deadly [lethal] force to be a proper reaction [and so does the law]. Furthermore, use of less effective [but still potentially lethal] force has its own set of problems. It may well take more applications of the less effective force to stop the incident; this places all parties at some risk; the victim because the attack has not stopped, and the assailent since the aggregate damage done by the multiple applications may well be more deadly. -- Michael Phelps, (external) mjp@vnet.ibm.com .. (internal) mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com .. mjp at kgnvmy (and last but not least a disclaimer) These opinions are mine.. ";-1;0 "From: system@garlic.sbs.com (Anthony S. Pelliccio) Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict Organization: Antone's Italian Kitchen and Excellence in Operating Network X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 47 kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: > tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) writes: > >>Funny, but I've seen a LOT more than 10 or 15 seconds of that video, and >>I still think the police involved were guilty. I don't think there's any >>excuse they could POSSIBLY come up with that would make what they did >>OK. I don't care if Rodney King was satan himself, there's just no >>excuse. Now, whether they did it because he was black or they did it >>because they wanted to beat up on somebody they were arresting is >>another entirely separate question that I have insufficient information >>to make any kind of conclusion about. > > > How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives o > n > the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that > took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? Oh yeah, did you watch > the start of the video when King got UP out of his prone postion and charge > the cops? Sorry, the video cuts both was when you sit and watch it start to > finish. > > I have to agree with you... the police may have carried it a bit too far but Rodney King was no angel either. And I don't think ANY guilty verdicts should have been returned. I'm sure you know why they handed down guilty verdicts on two of the officers. It's quite simple really, it was a compromise to avoid rioting in the places where minorities think it's right to riot. I hate to say this, but I would have liked to see them riot with everyone prepared. It would be open season if your skin was even slightly brown. Hey, my motto is, you don't fuck with me or my stuff and you don't get killed. It's just that simple. Tony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Anthony S. Pelliccio, kd1nr/ae // Yes, you read it right, the // -- system @ garlic.sbs.com // man who went from No-Code // -----------------------------------// (Thhhppptt!) to Extra in // -- Flame Retardent Sysadmin // exactly one year! // ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is a calm .sig! -- -------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) Subject: Re: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems Summary: Mr. Koc wins a free prize! Keywords: philosophy, Greece, Persians, math Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies Lines: 43 In article <1r6qn1INNd0n@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc) responded to article <1993Apr22.152937.14766@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu. sdpa.org (David Davidian) who wrote: [DD] Problem 1 [DD] [DD] My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the [DD] Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed [DD] extraordinary heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the [DD] Persian troops. The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. [DD] The second time, pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the [DD] soldiers. The third time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. [DD] The Persians who were still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to [DD] Nakhichevan. And so, from this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers [DD] there were before the massacre. [Koc] Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760 Good for you! You win the prize -- a free trip to Karabakh as an Azeri soldier! Now, calculate the odds of you coming back after trying to de-populate the area of Armenians! [Koc] Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After [Koc] all, they are not as innocent as the asala network claims. Fact: I didn't notice any mention of Turks in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon in this seventh century story! Fact: These places were filled with Armenians as of 1915. Fact: By the end of 1916, after the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, there were no Armenians left in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon -- only Turks and Kurds! In fact, there were no Pontus Greeks left alive in Trebizon either! Conclusion: Numbers don't lie in either case! -- David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 ";-1;0 "From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) Subject: Creating application contexts multiple times??? Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 94 The subject does not describe the problem I am having very well. Please read on... I am trying to write a function which creates an XtAppContext and a Widget, displays the widget for a while, then destroys everything and returns. The problem is that multiple calls to this function cause a variety of problems including (depending on which calls I make to get rid of things): - Core Dump - BadPixmap X Error - Widget not unmapped Here is a simple (C++) program I wrote to show the problem: #include #include #include void bla() { XtAppContext app; Display *dis = XOpenDisplay(""""); int junk = 0; Widget top=XtAppInitialize (&app, ""test"", NULL, 0, &junk, NULL, NULL, NULL, 0); Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget(""blaaa"", xmPushButtonWidgetClass, top, XmNheight, 50, XmNwidth, 50, NULL); XtRealizeWidget(top); //Same as XtAppMainLoop but with only 10 XEvents for (int i=0;i<=10;i++) { XEvent event; XtAppNextEvent(app, &event); XtDispatchEvent(&event); } // WHAT SHOULD I PUT HERE??? XtUnrealizeWidget(top); XtDestroyWidget(top); XtDestroyApplicationContext(app); XCloseDisplay(dis); // ??? } main() { for (int i=0;i<=20;i++) bla(); } Note that I rewrote XtAppMainLoop so that at a given time (in this example, after 10 XEvents) the function will exit and return to the main program. With this example, I get the following error on about (this is NOT consistent) the 5th call to bla(): X Error of failed request: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) Major opcode of failed request: 55 (X_CreateGC) Resource id in failed request: 0xe0000d Serial number of failed request: 71 Current serial number in output stream: 86 If I take out the XtUnrealizeWidget(top); line, it just dumps core on the seconds call. Furthermore, every time I call XtAppInitialize() (other than the 1st time), I get: Warning: Initializing Resource Lists twice Warning: Initializing Translation manager twice. So finally, my question is this: What needs to be done in order to be able to call a function which creates an XtAppContext and widgets multiple times? Any help would be greatly appreciated. PLEASE respond via email as I dont usually have time to read this group. Thanks very much. -davewood -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Distribution: na Lines: 38 In klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes: >kime@mongoose.torolab.ibm.com (Edward Kim) writes: [...] >> >> I would tend to call the offensive contributions even, but Alomar wins hands >> down in defensive capabilities. I'm not just talking about the number of >> errors; nobody (including Lind!) has the range and athleticism at second base. >> I can't recall in the recent past anyone turning the double play better >> than Alomar. >Well, why don't you look up those stats? Baerga may not be the best defensive >second baseman in the league, but he's damn good. Check the stats for DPs >last year and see for yourself. According to the Defensive Average stats posted by Sherri, Baerga had the highest percentage of DPs turned in the league, while Alomar had the worst. However, Alomar had a higher Defensive Average. So who would be better? Using Alomar's opportunities (469 groundballs, 73 possible double plays) Alomar had 332 groundouts and turned 18 DPs. Baerga would have had (with same DA & DP%) 328 groundouts and 35 DPs. Using Baerga's opportunites (545 groundballs, 99 possible double plays). Alomar would have had (with the same DA & DP%) 386 groundouts and 25 DPs. Baerga had 381 groundouts and 47 DPs. Baerga looks better, though it's possible his DP% would be lower with a different SS. Will Baerga consistently turn twice as many double plays, however? Alomar has established a high level of defense, Baerga has not. I would bet on Alomar to be better next year, but last year Baerga was just as good overall. -- Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball ";-1;0 "From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: John 3:16 paraphrased Lines: 25 At the end of a recent (Mon 19 Apr 1993) post, Alastair Thomson offers the following ""paraphrase"" of John 3:16: ""God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son, to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life."" The ""to die in our place"" bothers me, since it inserts into the verse a doctrine not found in the original. Moreover, I suspect that the poster intends to affirm, not merely substitution, but forensic (or penal) substitution. I maintain that the Scriptures in speaking of the Atonement teach a doctrine of Substitution, but not one of Forensic Substitution. Those interested in pursuing the matter are invited to send for my essays on Genesis, either 4 thru 7 (on this question) or 1 through 7 (with lead-in). The n'th essay can be obtained by sending to LISTSERV@ASUACAD.BITNET or to LISTSERV@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU the message GET GEN0n RUFF Yours, James Kiefer ""Any theologian worth his salt can put anything he wants to say in the form of a commentary on the Book of Genesis"" -- Walter Kaufman. ";-1;0 "From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele) Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" Reply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory Lines: 17 In article gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: > We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And > we die. I agree we need sleep & etc, but I disagree we are _just_ animals. That statement is a categorical negative; it's like saying there are _no_ polkadoted elephants. It may be true but one would have to be omniscient to know for sure. ------------------------------------------------------------ Rob Steele In coming to understand anything MIT Lincoln Laboratory we are rejecting the facts as they 244 Wood St., M-203 are for us in favour of the facts Lexington, MA 02173 as they are. 617/981-2575 C.S. Lewis ";17;1 "From: jeh@cmkrnl.com Subject: Re: Need help with car stereo.... Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA Lines: 38 In article <1qih53$9ho@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ae454@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Simundza) writes: > My friend has a nice Alpine car stereo, and it only has 2 channels, > but one of them does not work. It does not put out any current or voltage > at all, is that channel therefore blown? I then shut the radio off and > ran continuity into the two speaker ouputs of the channel, and it charged > and discharged so I know the wires just aint bad.... This probably only tells you that the DC blocking capacitor that's in series between the one-chip, single-ended audio amp and the speaker terminal is there. > any Ideas? Open it up and look for the power amp ""ICs"". They'll be fairly obvious. Replace the one connected to the dead output. > also, > how would I locate where the signal of the radio/tape unit is BEFORE it > gets amplified, because then couldn't I hook up RCA outputs to that signal > so then he could just use a little amplifier? Well, one thing you should do is poke around the terminals of the power amp chips. Use a probe with a 10M resistor (like a scope probe) connected to the input of a small audio amp w/speaker. If you find line-level input to both chips, one of the chips is bad and can probably replaced pretty easily. If you want to pick off a near-line-level signal, suitable for feeding to an outboard amp, the outer legs of the volume control pot will often be good enough. This is *before* the volume control (and usually before the tone and balance controls too). If you take off from the center and ground legs of the volume pot, this will be after the volume control (but again, probably before the other controls). If the unit is a modern type with an electronic volume control chip, you should probably forget the whole thing. --- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA Internet: jeh@cmkrnl.com Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh CIS: 74140,2055 ";-1;0 "From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks Lines: 28 In article , cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: >In <1qlapk$d7v@morrow.stanford.edu> salem@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem) >writes: >>In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike >Cobb) writes: >>>Theory of Creationism: MY theistic view of the theory of creationism, (there >>>are many others) is stated in Genesis 1. In the beginning God created >>>the heavens and the earth. > >> Wonderful, now try alittle imaginative thinking! > >Huh? Imaginative thinking? What did that have to do with what I said? Would it >have been better if I said the world has existed forever and never was created >and has an endless supply of energy and there was spontaneous generation of >life from non-life? WOuld that make me all-wise, and knowing, and imaginative? No, but at least it would be a theory. | __L__ -|- ___ Warren Kurt vonRoeschlaub | | o | kv07@iastate.edu |/ `---' Iowa State University /| ___ Math Department | |___| 400 Carver Hall | |___| Ames, IA 50011 J _____ ";-1;0 "From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) Subject: Re: PDS vs. Nubus (was Re: LC III NuBus Capable?) Organization: Stanford University Lines: 42 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu In article <1993Apr16.191259.1@fnalf.fnal.gov>, higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: >In article , hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: >> mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes: >>>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is >>>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? > >> The LC family of Macs can only >> use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus. > >Ah, but why? Can some technically-hip Macslinger tell us what the >difference is between PDS and Nubus? > >Is it impossible to make a gadget that plugs into PDS and ends in a >Nubus card cage? At least, Marvin's friend has not been able to >locate one and neither have I. What is the fundamental reason for >this? > >-- > O~~* /_) ' / / /_/ ' , , ' ,_ _ \|/ > - ~ -~~~~~~~~~~~/_) / / / / / / (_) (_) / / / _\~~~~~~~~~~~zap! > / \ (_) (_) / | \ > | | Bill Higgins Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory > \ / Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET > - - Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV > ~ SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS Second Wave makes NuBus card cages that work on the PDS slots of at least three Macs: the SE/30, IIsi and Centris 610. They have not, to my knowledge, announced such a device for the LCII, but they could make one, technologically. The PDS card that goes to the cage simply needs the NuBus controller circuitry present on NuBus Macs. Why, though, does anyone care about this? dgr has a three-PDS adapter for the LC/LCII. They will soon have one for the LCIII. PDS is better than NuBus for most people in most applications. Granted, there are more NuBus cards. But, most applications that require a NuBus card (like full-motion video capture) shouldn't be done on an LC/LCII/LCIII anyway. Mark ";0;1 "From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) Subject: Re: Protective gear Nntp-Posting-Host: eclipse.cs.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group Lines: 19 In article , maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: |> Question for the day: |> |> What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei |> rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap |> leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots, |> leather pants, what? condom during wone of the 500 times i had to go over my accident i was asked if i was wearing ""protection"" my responces was ""yes i was wearing a condom"" laz ";-1;0 "From: as16@quads.uchicago.edu (adam shah) Subject: Re: When Is Melido Due Back? Reply-To: as16@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Distribution: na Lines: 18 In article nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor) writes: >When are the Yankees planning on activating Melido Perez? His 15 days on >the DL are up today, but are they bringing him back this weekend? > >Thanks for any info. > > The Chicago Tribune pitching form has Perez pitching today (4/16). But given the way that Buck changes his rotation so often, that could just be the work of a confused stat-page editor. -- adam (as16@midway.uchicago.edu) aka mercutio... obligatory go yankees for baseball season... 5338 S Woodlawn Ave Apt 2/Chicago, IL 60615/(312) 667-3586 ";-1;0 "From: tiger@netcom.com (TIGER ZHAO) Subject: Re: 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB needed Organization: Tiger's Garage Lines: 23 yuri@atmos.washington.edu writes: > I need 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB, but price should be around $17-20/piece. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I assume you are talking about 1meg X 9 SIMMs, or 1Meg X 9 SIPPs with speed of 70ns? I would take 10K pieces per week if you have that price. (FOB US port). I am not waiting for an offer with that price, I could only dream. tiger >I am waiting for an offer. > Yuri Yulaev > 6553, 38th ave NE > Seattle WA 98115 > (206) 524-2806,524-9547 (home) > (206) 685-3793 (work) > (206) 524-7218 (FAX) >INTERNET: yuri@atmos.washington.edu >UUCP: uw-beaver!atmos.washington.edu!yuri ";-1;0 "From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: Lung disorders and clubbing of fingers Article-I.D.: pitt.19424 Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 36 In article slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes: >Can anyone out there enlighten me on the relationship between >lung disorders and ""clubbing"", or swelling and widening, of the >fingertips? What is the mechanism and why would a physician >call for chest xrays to diagnose the cause of the clubbing? Purists often distinguish between ""true"" clubbing and ""pseudo"" clubbing, the difference being that with ""true"" clubbing the angle of the nail when viewed from the side is constantly negative when proceeding distally (towards the fingertip). With ""pseudo"" clubbing, the angle is initially positive, then negative, which is the normal situation. ""Real"" internists can talk for hours about clubbing. I'm limited to a couple of minutes. Whether this distinction has anything to do with reality is entirely unclear, but it is one of those things that internists love to paw over during rounds. Supposedly, only ""true"" clubbing is associated with disease. The problem is that the list of diseases associated with clubbing is quite long, and includes both congenital conditions and acquired disease. Since many of these diseases are associated with cardiopulmonary problems leading to right to left shunts and chronic hypoxemia, it is very reasonable to get a chest xray. However, many of the congenital abnormalities would only be diagnosed with a cardiac catheterization. The cause of clubbing is unclear, but presumably relates to some factor causing blood vessels in the distal fingertip to dilate abnormally. Clubbing is one of those things from an examination which is a tipoff to do more extensive examination. Often, however, the cause of the clubbing is quite apparent. -km ";-1;0 "From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma Distribution: na Lines: 10 >security of the key-escrow system. In making this decision, I do >not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the >government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that >are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key- >escrow system. Yeah, but does he intend to prevent the private sector from developing other applications that are equally effective in assuring privacy, but do not have a key escrow system? ";-1;0 "From: bromgrev@rahul.net (Carl A. Merritt) Subject: HDs and other Computer parts for Sale / Wanted... Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero Organization: a2i network X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 26 For Sale: Fujitsu 324meg SCSI drive. $450 Maxtor 338meg ESDI drive. $425 Maxtor 160meg ESDI drive. $225 Toshiba 106meg IDE drive. $175 XT case & motherboard. $50 DTC 16-bit MFM 2HD 2FD controler. $30 All items are used, in full working condition, and have a warranty for one week unless otherwise specified. All prices are %100 negotiable, shipping not included. Wanted: Developers kit for SB 17"" SVGA moniters (two of them). -- Carl A. Merritt ";8;1 "From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel) Subject: To be exact, 2.5 million readers enlightened by Serdar Argic Summary: :-P Article-I.D.: ns1.C5uvBM.MzE Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 13 Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu In article <9304202017@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes: (a.k.a. Serdar Argic, The Merciful and Compassionate) [Serdar Argic's bountiful, divine, all-knowing, and footnoted wisdom is regrettably omitted for this solemn tribute.] WHERE CAN I JOIN THE SERDAR ARGIC FAN CLUB? DO I GET A T-SHIRT? --The Friendly Neighborhood Alien-- Life just hasn't been the same since David Koresh died... ";-1;0 "From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) Subject: CLINTON: Press Release on USIA Appointments Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 Lines: 101 NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 AMERICAN UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT JOSEPH DUFFEY NAMED TO HEAD USIA, MICA TO CHAIR BOARD FOR INTERNATIONAL BROADCASTING Washington, D.C. - President Clinton today announced his intention to nominate American University President and former State Department Assistant Secretary Joseph Duffey to be Director of the United States Information Agency. The President also designated Daniel Mica Chairman of the Board for International Broadcasting. ""Joe Duffey's expertise in the fields of education, communications and foreign affairs is vast and will serve him well as he takes the helm at USIA and works to promote the ideals of democracy and freedom abroad,"" the President said. President of American University in Washington, D.C. since 1991, Duffey previously served nine years as Chancellor and President of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. In 1977 he served as Assistant Secretary of State, Education and Cultural Affairs in the State Department. Duffey served as Chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities under both Presidents Carter and Reagan. In 1978 and 1980, Duffey served as a United States delegate to the General Conference of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization. In 1991, Duffey served as joint head of the U.S. Delegation observing national elections in Ethiopia. USIA, which celebrates its 40th anniversary this year, is an independent foreign affairs agency within the executive branch that explains and supports U.S. foreign policy and national security interests abroad through a wide range of information programs. Among the agency's programs are the Fulbright academic program, Voice of America, the Worldnet satellite television system and a network of overseas libraries and cultural centers. The agency has more than 210 posts in more than 140 countries. (more) Press Release pg. 2 Mica becomes Chairman of the Board for International Broadcasting after serving as a member of the board since 1991. ""Dan Mica has done an excellent job on the Board of International Broadcasting and I expect he will continue as chairman to promote the cause of democracy abroad,"" the President said. Biographical sketches of the appointees follow: Joseph Duffey has served as President of American University since 1991. Prior to his tenure at American, Duffey served as Chancellor and President of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst (1982 - 91) and as a Guest Scholar at the Brookings Institution (1982). He served as Chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities from 1977 - 82 and as Assistant Secretary of State, Education and Cultural Affairs with the Department of State in 1977. Duffey holds 14 honorary degrees from American colleges and universities. In 1980 he was named Commander of the Order of the Crown by the King of Belgium and he has been a member of the Council of Foreign Relations since 1979. Duffey received a BA from Marshall University in 1954, a BD from the Andover Newton Theological School in 1958, a STM from Yale University in 1963 and a Ph.D. from the Harvard Seminary Foundation in 1969. Duffey is a member of the National Business- Higher Education Forum and a founder and co-chairman of the Western Massachusetts Economic Development Conference. Duffey is married to Anne Wexler and has four sons. Daniel Mica is a former U.S. Representative from the 14th District of Florida and has served on the Board of International Broadcasting since 1991. During his tenure in Congress from 1979 - 89 he served on the House Committee on Foreign Relations and was appointed by President Reagan as the Congressional Representative to the United Nations. -30-30-30- ";-1;0 "From: todd@psgi.UUCP (Todd Doolittle) Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (Summer Job) Distribution: world Organization: Not an Organization Lines: 37 In article <1poj23INN9k@west.West.Sun.COM> gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot) writes: >In article <8108.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> \ >ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: >% >% I think I've found the ultimate summer job: It's dangerous, involves >% motorcycles, requires high speeds in traffic, and it pays well. >% >% So my question is as follows: Has anyone here done this sort of work? >% What was your experience? >% [Stuff deleted] > Get a -good- ""AtoZ"" type indexed streetmap for all of the areas you're > likely to work. Always carry plenty of black-plastic bin liners to Check with the local fire department. My buddy is a firefighter and they have these small map books which are Amazing! They are compact, easy to use (no folding). They even have a cross reference section in which you match your current cross streets with the cross streets you want to go to and it details the quickest route. They gave me an extra they had laying around. But then again I know all those people I'm not really sure if they are supposed to give/sell them. (The police may also have something similar). >-- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | John Little - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..vela.acs.oakland.edu!psgi!todd | '88 RM125 The only bike sold without Todd Doolittle | a red-line. Troy, MI | '88 EX500 DoD #0832 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) Subject: Re: Food For Thought On Tyre Organization: Intelligent Systems Program Lines: 10 af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes: >PPS...Am I giving you too many clues? Too many clues, not enough substance. You ask a lot of good questions, though, but they are questions *you* should be worried about, not me. I'm not the inerrantist here. Let me know when you are ready to get serious. dj ";19;1 "From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) Subject: Re: Blast them next time Nntp-Posting-Host: sora.icd.ab.com Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc. Lines: 57 oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) babbles: What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. If they'd gone to the door and knocked on it to serve the warrant, like the Sheriff had done 3 other times, they wouldn't have needed to HAVE an initial assault. But then, Herr Klinton and Attorney Gen'l Reno wouldn't have been able to have told such heroic stories about how they ""protected"" the rest of us from a group of people who kept to themselves, miles out in the prairie. The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they must have the proper equipment and people to do the job. The BATF needs to be disbanded. This out of control group of Rambo wannabees is a danger to the Republic. With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Well, I figure you're going to get flamed pretty badly by everybody else for this incredibly stupid statement, so I'll just let it pass for now. Case Western reserve, huh? Do the Feds know about that big stockpile of automatic weapons and crack you have in your house? Are you the same Daniel Oldham that lives on Orchard Drive? Just so they get the address right, that is... Look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours. Well, it used to be a great country. Now I'm not so sure. I knew a few of those good people who died in wars; I was in Viet Nam. I can assure you, none of us fought to protect the right of the government to attack its own citizens with military force without provocation. (Hint: serving a search warrant is NOT sufficient provocation to stage a military style assault on a religious group. At Least not here in the US. Maybe in Iraq, or Syria...) With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later. This is a joke, right? Or are they really letting fools like you into CWRU now? Too bad. Used to be a good school. How'd you get in anyway, did your old man buy a new wing for the library? ";3;1 "From: pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Peter J. McKinney) Subject: Re: PC keyboard Summary: location of cap lock and ctrl keys on PC keyboard Keywords: cap lock and ctrl key Article-I.D.: longs.pm860605.143.734052152 Organization: Colorado State University Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: hercules.lance.colostate.edu In article wen@yingyang.ral.rpi.edu (John Wen) writes: >From: wen@yingyang.ral.rpi.edu (John Wen) >Subject: PC keyboard >Summary: location of cap lock and ctrl keys on PC keyboard >Keywords: cap lock and ctrl key >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 19:23:35 GMT >Does anyone know of a software that can exchange caps lock and ctrl >keys on the AT-style keyboard? I'm looking for a memory resident >program that can work with other programs, rather than a feature in a >specific program (I am aware of a shareware program ""back and forth"" >that provides this feature within that program). Thanks. A program in the archive keymap00.zip on simtel and mirror sites in the msdos/keyboard directory will do this. It is written in assembler and it best if you have a compiler to create a new keyboard map. It is possible, however, to use a binary editor to edit the provided compiled keyboard driver if you do not have a compiler. I used hexed100.zip, also available on simtel. Simply serach for the codes 00 01 02 03 to locate the biginning of the ""normal"" keyboard map. Then swap the codes for the keys that you wish to swap. See the keyboard directory of simtel for programs that report the scancode for each key to you (some bios programs also have this info). Good luck, - Pete ____________________________________________________________________________ | Peter J. McKinney pm860605@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu | | Electrohydrodynamic Laboratory | | Fluid Mechanics and Wind Engineering Program | | Civil Engineering Department | | Colorado State University | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Update (Help!) [was ""What is This [Is it Lyme's?]""] Article-I.D.: pitt.19436 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 42 In article <1993Mar29.181958.3224@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes: > >I shouldn't have to be posting here. Physicians should know the Lyme >literature beyond Steere & co's denial merry-go-round. Patients >should get correctly diagnosed and treated. > Why do you think Steere is doing this? Isn't he acting in good faith? After all, as the ""discoverer"" of Lyme for all intents and purposes, the more famous Lyme gets, the more famous Steere gets. I don't see the ulterior motive here. It is easy for me to see it the those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything. There is a lot of money involved. >I'm a computer engineer, not a doctor (,Jim). I was building a >computer manufacturing company when I got Lyme. I lost several >years of my life to near-total disability; partially as a result, >the company failed, taking with it over 150 jobs, my savings, >and everything I'd worked for for years. I'm one of the ""lucky"" >ones in that I found a physician through the Lyme foundation >and now can work almost full-time, although I have persistent >infection and still suffer a variety of sypmtoms. And now >I try to follow the Lyme literature. > Well, it is tragic what has happened to you, but it doesn't necessarily make you the most objective source of information about it. If your whole life is focussed around this, you may be too emotionally involved to be advising other people who may or may not have Lyme. Certainly advocacy of more research on Lyme would not be out of order, though, and people like you can be very effective there. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric J Balog) Subject: SWITCH 3.5"" TO A:? Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 39 Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu Hi! I'd like to switch my floppy drives so that my 3.5"" b: drive becomes a:, while my 5.25"" a: becomes b:. I'm having a few problems, though. I know that the ribbon cable must be switched, as well as the CMOS settings, to reflect this change, and I think that I've done that correctly. However, the drives do not operate correctly in this configuration. From the C:> prompt, if I type a:, the 5.25"" drive light comes on; if I type b:, both the light for the 5.25"" and 3.5"" drives come on. There are some jumpers on each drive: 5.25"" Label Original Pos. Pos. I changed it to DS0 ON OFF DS1 OFF ON DS2 ON ON DS3 OFF OFF IO OFF OFF MS1 OFF OFF D-R ON ON MS2 ON ON FG OFF OFF 3.5"" DS0 OFF ON DS1 ON OFF DS2 OFF OFF DS3 OFF OFF MM ON ON DC ON ON MD OFF OFF TTL/C-MO8 ON ON Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Eric Balog balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu ";-1;0 "From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: University of Rochester In article <1993Apr15.150550.15347@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ccreegan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles L. Creegan) writes: > >What about Kekule's infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings >from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails? Is this >specific enough to count? Certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic >phil. of sci. texts as an example of the inventive component of >hypothesizing. And has been rather thoroughly demolished as myth by Robert Scott Root- Bernstein. See his book, ""Discovering"". Ring structures for benzene had been proposed before Kekule', after him, and at the same time as him. The current models do not resemble Kekule's. Many of the predecessors of Kekule's structure resemble the modern model more. I don't think ""extra-scientific"" is a very useful phrase in a discussion of the boundaries of science, except as a proposed definiens. Extra-rational is a better phrase. In fact, there are quite a number of well-known cases of extra-rational considerations driving science in a useful direction. For example, Pasteur discovered that racemic acid was a mixture of enantiomers (the origin of stereochemistry) partly because he liked a friend's crank theory of chemical action. The friend was wrong, but Pasteur's discovery stood. A prior investigator (Mitscherlich), looking at the same phenomenon, had missed a crucial detail; presumably because he lacked Pasteur's motivation to find something that distinguished racemic acid from tartaric (now we say: d-tartaric) acid. Again, Pasteur discovered the differential fermentation of enantiomers (tartaric acid again) not because of some rational conviction, but because he was trying to produce yeast that lived on l-tartaric acid. His notebooks contained fantasies of becoming the ""Newton of mirror-image life,"" which he never admitted publically. Perhaps the best example is the discovery that DNA carries genes. Avery started this work because of one of his students, and ardent Anglophile and Francophobe Canadian, defended Fred Griffiths' discoveries in mice. Most of Griffiths' critics were French, which decided the issue for the student. Avery told him to replicate Griffiths' work in vitro, which the student eventually did, whereupon Avery was convinced and started the research program which, in 15 or so years, produced the famous discovery (Avery, MacLeod, and McCarty, JEM 1944). -- Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu ";-1;0 "From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary The Burgermeister Huckabay) Subject: Call for Votes - DTBL MVP and CY. Please vote! Article-I.D.: ucdavis.C52s31.49q Distribution: na Organization: Harold Brooks Hot & Sour Soup Club, Ltd. Lines: 79 The regular season of the 1992-93 Davis Tabletop Baseball League has just come to an end. To help us with next year's league, I would appreciate it if you would take a couple of minutes and vote for our league MVP and CY winners. These awards, and players' standings in them, will inflate their salaries for next year's league. Please vote for 5 in each category, in order. For example... 1. Barry Bonds 2. Frank Thomas 3. Biff Pocoroba 4. Shooty Babitt 5. ""Lips"" Lundy. Please do NOT vote for pitchers in MVP voting for this league. Each team in the league gets one candidate for MVP, and one for CY. Defensive position is listed where applicable, along with an abbreviation of their performance there (E=Excellent, V=Very Good, A=Average, P=Poor, B=Very Poor) Thanks... please reply by April 10. For the record - the season was 144 games long. Thanks for your help. MVP Candidates Name G AB H 2B 3B HR R RBI BB K SB CS IBB BA/OBP/SLG DEF Griffey 124 338 99 27 0 16 44 64 39 50 0 0 16 293/362/515 8-P EMartinez 139 562 176 55 3 14 85 87 44 77 14 5 6 313/359/496 5-A Sandberg 137 559 163 35 6 20 100 102 64 67 4 1 2 292/360/483 4-V Ventura 144 562 161 32 0 9 83 59 80 61 0 1 3 286/374/391 5-E McGriff 148 533 150 25 1 33 89 98 102 132 0 3 20 281/398/518 3-P McGwire 138 487 134 31 1 34 108 104 128 100 0 3 38 275/425/552 3-E RAlomar 127 515 159 23 8 5 85 34 70 67 54 11 1 309/389/414 4-P Dykstra 144 582 157 27 1 3 94 60 65 67 89 20 3 270/339/335 8-A Butler 137 534 158 13 13 1 82 50 83 69 13 19 0 296/386/375 8-B Deer 119 425 103 26 1 33 66 75 44 141 1 3 2 242/311/541 9-V Bonds 145 465 143 39 4 33 128 101 187 62 23 5 68 308/502/622 7-E Hrbek 129 423 112 21 0 12 62 52 80 77 1 0 2 265/380/400 3-P JGonzalez 135 543 121 17 1 38 59 85 28 146 0 0 2 223/259/468 8-B Some players missed time due to injuries, others were sat down at the end to avoid the possibility of injury. There are better players than those on this list, but each team gets one and only one candidate. Some players played more than 144 games due to being traded to teams with more games left in the same time span. Now, on to the pitchers... Name ERA G W L S IP H BB K HR GS CG ShO WP DMartinez 3.01 30 15 8 0 209.1 173 76 124 12 30 2 0 2 Dibble 0.80 37 0 2 25 33.2 21 8 46 1 0 0 0 0 Rijo 3.40 26 13 7 0 177.1 175 56 133 12 26 5 1 5 Mussina 2.92 29 15 7 0 206.2 167 46 119 15 29 3 1 2 Benes 3.24 28 14 9 0 194.1 172 53 127 13 28 4 1 1 KHill 2.93 27 16 7 0 196.2 144 64 166 20 26 8 3 1 Smoltz 3.62 28 11 11 0 186.1 177 66 158 9 28 6 1 7 Cone 3.46 28 14 7 0 197.2 152 103 193 10 28 7 1 5 Drabek 2.79 29 13 10 0 206.2 166 55 131 16 29 4 0 2 Tewksbury 3.28 25 12 8 0 172.2 168 36 64 8 25 4 2 1 Clemens 2.94 31 16 11 0 223.1 198 71 178 13 31 17! 2 1 Tomlin 2.48 28 12 5 0 196.0 172 42 97 8 27 1 0 2 Farr 0.81 38 4 1 17 55.1 28 25 38 1 0 0 0 0 There you have it. Curt Schilling threw a perfect game during the year, and Ken Hill threw a no-hitter. Rob Dibble had pitched 32 scoreless innings to start the year, only to choke in the last two games to cost the Perot's Giant Sucking Sounds a playoff spot. If you want stats of more players, they are available by request. Please take the time to reply if you can. Thanks. -- * Gary Huckabay * Kevin Kerr: The Al Feldstein of the mid-90's! * * ""A living argument for * If there's anything we love more than a huge * * existence of parallel * .sig, it's someone quoting 100 lines to add * * universes."" * 3 or 4 new ones. And consecutive posts, too. * -- ''' (o o) /----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------\ | David Zavatson |Mein Schatz, es ist soweit. Unsere Liebe ist vorbei.| ";-1;0 "From: arp0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PIEMAN) Subject: MacPlus Home brew Acceler question?? Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: arp0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Lines: 16 ha... all this talk about changing the clock speed of the q700 makes me ask?? if i replaced the 8mhz 68000 in my plus with a 16mhz 68000 with a 16mhz clock occilater of its own( not shared by the rest of the mac... just the new 16mhz68000) would my mac work..... and if it would work.. would you think there where be any problems with sound, vidio,scsi........ it seems like a simple solution to keepa dead slow mechine a live a little longer.. Oh if this would not work any idears on how to make it work??? thanks alex ARP0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu ";0;1 "From: srt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Stephen R. Tate) Subject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C. Lines: 31 In article <1993Apr18.225502.358@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes: >It just occurred to me why the algorithm is secret. If it were >published, one could then build physically identical clone versions >of the chip that would interoperate with official Clipper chips. But >the cloner wouldn't provide the keys to the escrow houses. Hmmn. Not necessarily --- they could release the details of the algorithm without releasing the ""system key"" (called SK by Hellman). That would make most people happy, and with some sort of verification procedure before key exchange, the ""official"" chips would only work with other ""official"" chips. In other words, secrecy of SK makes ""physically identical clone versions"" impossible; secrecy of the algorithm shouldn't be necessary. Of course, revealing the algorithm opens them up to attacks on SK --- since all units share this key, compromising it may be a big deal. Personally, I wouldn't feel too comfortable knowing that one ""secret"" 80-bit number held in many places was all that guaranteed my security. Of course, compromise of SK doesn't necessarily mean that the system is compromised, but it's impossible to tell whether or not that's true with a secret algorithm. Incidentally, what's to keep a ""secret algorithm"" from using the secret SK as the main key, with UK being only marginally important. Then a court order for UK may not even be necessary to do a wiretap. -- Steve Tate srt@cs.duke.edu | The reason why mathematics enjoys special esteem, Dept. of Computer Science | above all other sciences, is that its laws are Duke University | absolutely certain and indisputable, while those of all Durham, NC 27706 | other sciences are to some extent debatable. (Einstein) ";-1;0 "From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains Organization: UB Lines: 48 Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu In article <1993Apr20.130822.603@exu.ericsson.se> lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se writes: >In article K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu, am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes: >> >>Michael Collingridge writes: >> >>>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, >>>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other >>>team captain trivia would be appreciated. >> >>Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to >>Pittsburgh? >> >>Mom. > >Chris Chelios was Montreal's co-captain with Guy Carbonneau when he >was traded to Chicago for Denis Savard, and Peter Stastny was captain >of the Quebec Nordiques when he was traded to New-Jersey. Also Mark >Messier was captain of the Edmonton Oilers when he was traded to New >York. How about Dale Hawerchuk with Winnipeg when he was traded to >Buffalo, was he captain too ? I think so. I should not forget Wayne >(you know who) when he was traded to L.A. he was captain. Didn't they >strip Wendel Clark of his captaincy in Toronto ? > Buffalo seems to have started a tradition of trading its captains. Pat LaFontaine was awarded the Captaincy when Mike Ramsey was forced to give it up (Ramsey's now a Penguin). Ramsey inherited it from Mike Foligno (who's now a leaf). He in turn had inherited it from Lindy Ruff, who went I forget where. Ruff had it from Perreault, who retired, so I guess that's where the streak started. Or did it? After all, Danny Gare was captain before him, and he went to Detroit. Jim Scoenfeld, Gerry Meehan, and Floyd Smith are the others, in reverse order, last to first. I was a bit young at the time, so I'm not sure of the fate of Schoenfeld, but he ultimately went to Detroit and Boston. Meehan went to Vancouver, Atlanta and Washington. Smith seems to have hung up his skates after Buffalo, but I don't know if the captaincy was removed before or after that, or how many games he played for Buffalo. This is actually getting fascinating. :-) Captaincy in Buffalo is a sure sign you're to be traded, almost, unless you're a franchise player. -- Valerie Hammerl Birtday -(n)- An event when friends get hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu together, set your dessert on fire, then acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu laugh and sing while you frantically try v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu to blow it out. ";-1;0 "From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: Hard Copy --- Hot Pursuit!!!! Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 22 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu In a previous article, wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) says: > >Yo, did anybody see this run of HARD COPY? No, I don't watch that Bu**Sh*t. >The Kat, although not the latest machine, is still a high performance >machine and he slams on the brakes. Of couse, we all know that cages, >especially the ones with the disco lights, can't stop as fast as our >high performance machines. So what happens?... The cage plows into the >Kat. So, does this mean the cop is at fault for rear-ending the bike? You know, following too closely and reckless driving? -- DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________ ";7;1 "From: ob00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (OLCAY BOZ) Subject: Re: How do I make GhostScript work? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 40 you Need gs252ini.zip and 24*.zip, and 25*.zip font files. You can get these from wuarchive.wustl.edu /mirrors/msdos/postscript. I also advice you to get gs252gui.zip from CICA. It is a nice interface for ghostscript. Ghostscript is very user unfriendly. This interface makes it user friendly. For using this interface you have to get vbrun100.dll (from risc.ua.edu /pub/network/misc) copy this to your windows directory. Copy gui executables and other files to your ghostscript directory. And anter the line below to your autoexec.bat. SET GS_LIB=C:\ Now you are ready to use it. Enjoy it. In article <1993Apr16.114432.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl238405@ulkyvx.louisvill e.edu (Steve W Brewer) writes: >What files do I need to download for GhostScript 2.5.2? I have never used >GhostScript before, so I don't have any files for it. What I *do* have is >gs252win.zip, which I downloaded from Cica. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to >work on it's own, but needs some more files that I don't have. I want to run >GhostScript both in Windows 3.1 and in MS-DOS on a 386 PC (I understand there's >versions for both environments). What are all the files I need to download and >where can I get them? Any info would be appeciated. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Steve W Brewer rewerB W evetS > cl238405@ulkyvx.louisville.edu ude.ellivsiuol.xvyklu@504832lc >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > -- ____________________________________________________________________________ **************************************************************************** _m_ _ 0___ \ _/\__ |/ \ /| ";-1;0 "From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! Nntp-Posting-Host: tbilisi.src.honeywell.com Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center Lines: 27 In article bradski@retina.bu.edu (Gary Bradski) writes: >>>>>> On 15 Apr 93 03:13:49 GMT, amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) said: > >>> I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. >>> Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet >>> I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means. > ^^^ >The Syrians? Iranian agents? Or just Israeli invaders? >-- >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ --------------- >Gary Bradski I'net: bradski@park.bu.edu | reverberate | >Cognitive and Neural Systems --------------- >Boston University. | V V >111 Cummington St, Boston MA 02215 ^ Y >617/ 353-6426 ^ ^ | > -------------- > I don't even agree with some of my opinions | or die! | >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -------------- > I did say *any* invader, didn't I? What do you want from me, perhaps a neural net design with all countries involved in Lebanon as its nodes? :-) (You are in Cognitive and Neural Systems) If that's the case, I would put different weights for each country in my net. ";-1;0 "From: osburn@halcyon.com (Tim Osburn) Subject: Netware 3.11 & win 3.1 fileman Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com Is there a update or something that will allow a person when using novell 3.11 and windows 3.1 file manager to view the files with the name of the person who created it or changed it like the novell command ndir ? tim osburn osburn@halcyon.com -- *------------------------------------------------------------------------------*| Tim Osburn KB7GBQ osburn@halcyon.com Bellevue, Washington |*------------------------------------------------------------------------------* ";-1;0 "From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: Saturn's Pricing Policy Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 22 In article <1qn19m$c9s@vela.acs.oakland.edu> mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu writes: >I just ordered a Saturn SL1 after considering a few imports. Frankly, the Saturn > stuff deleted... >Saturn also has a good extended warranty program; $675 for 6 year/60K miles, >fully refunded if you don't use it. That works out to an actual cost of $170 or >so, based on the 6 year treasury rates. Using savings account rates it's more >like $120. In the first three years it also buys you free rental during any >warranty work, without counting against the refund. >--mike > in general extended warranties are a ripoff. this 6yr/60k is really only 3yr/24k because you get the 3yr/36k one *free* with the car. also, is there perhaps a deductible you pay each and every time you use the warranty? also, are certain items excluded from coverage on the extended warranty? and if you use it at year 4 for some 60 buck job and pay a 50 deduct and then you have used it so no refund ever! again, extended warranties are ripoff, high profit items for the dealer. > ";-1;0 "From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: health care reform Article-I.D.: pitt.19409 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20 In article <1993Mar28.200619.5371@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes: >and may be a total disaster and that the Canadian model is preferable, a >position with which I agree. The other is surprising sympathy for the >physicians in all of this, to the effect that beating up on us won't >help anything. > I'm not sure about that. Did you see the ""poll"" they took that showed that most people thought physicians should be paid $80,000 per year tops? That's all I make, but I doubt that most physicians are going to work very hard for that kind of bread. Many wouldn't be able to service their med school debts on that. Mike Royko had a good column about it. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ";-1;0 "From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Subject: Re: HV diodes Nntp-Posting-Host: chip Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 15 In article <1pohuq$4sq@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com>, wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins) writes: |> I believe the only thing that needs correction, Mr. Vanderbyl, is your |> attitude. Nope, Mr. Myers has found the bad mistake and posted a correction, thank God. |> Acting the child won't gain you any favors or make a Who's acting? |> positive impression with anybody. Ghod knows you've make an impression |> on me; just not a positive one. Oh no, I haven't impressed Mr. Higgins. ";-1;0 "From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. Distribution: na Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: sayshell.umd.edu In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much >worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" >to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main >concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) Excuse me? This has *already* happened. There's a couple of humps in the tent already. Ask the folks at Qualcomm what became of the non-trivial encryption scheme they proposed for use in their CDMA digitial cellular phone standard? There *already* are restrictions in place. Louis Mamakos ";-1;0 "From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 06/15 - Constants and Equations Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions Article-I.D.: cs.constants_733694246 Expires: 6 May 1993 19:57:26 GMT Distribution: world Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 189 Supersedes: NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Archive-name: space/constants Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:04 $ CONSTANTS AND EQUATIONS FOR CALCULATIONS This list was originally compiled by Dale Greer. Additions would be appreciated. Numbers in parentheses are approximations that will serve for most blue-skying purposes. Unix systems provide the 'units' program, useful in converting between different systems (metric/English, etc.) NUMBERS 7726 m/s (8000) -- Earth orbital velocity at 300 km altitude 3075 m/s (3000) -- Earth orbital velocity at 35786 km (geosync) 6371 km (6400) -- Mean radius of Earth 6378 km (6400) -- Equatorial radius of Earth 1738 km (1700) -- Mean radius of Moon 5.974e24 kg (6e24) -- Mass of Earth 7.348e22 kg (7e22) -- Mass of Moon 1.989e30 kg (2e30) -- Mass of Sun 3.986e14 m^3/s^2 (4e14) -- Gravitational constant times mass of Earth 4.903e12 m^3/s^2 (5e12) -- Gravitational constant times mass of Moon 1.327e20 m^3/s^2 (13e19) -- Gravitational constant times mass of Sun 384401 km ( 4e5) -- Mean Earth-Moon distance 1.496e11 m (15e10) -- Mean Earth-Sun distance (Astronomical Unit) 1 megaton (MT) TNT = about 4.2e15 J or the energy equivalent of about .05 kg (50 gm) of matter. Ref: J.R Williams, ""The Energy Level of Things"", Air Force Special Weapons Center (ARDC), Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico, 1963. Also see ""The Effects of Nuclear Weapons"", compiled by S. Glasstone and P.J. Dolan, published by the US Department of Defense (obtain from the GPO). EQUATIONS Where d is distance, v is velocity, a is acceleration, t is time. Additional more specialized equations are available from: ames.arc.nasa.gov:pub/SPACE/FAQ/MoreEquations For constant acceleration d = d0 + vt + .5at^2 v = v0 + at v^2 = 2ad Acceleration on a cylinder (space colony, etc.) of radius r and rotation period t: a = 4 pi**2 r / t^2 For circular Keplerian orbits where: Vc = velocity of a circular orbit Vesc = escape velocity M = Total mass of orbiting and orbited bodies G = Gravitational constant (defined below) u = G * M (can be measured much more accurately than G or M) K = -G * M / 2 / a r = radius of orbit (measured from center of mass of system) V = orbital velocity P = orbital period a = semimajor axis of orbit Vc = sqrt(M * G / r) Vesc = sqrt(2 * M * G / r) = sqrt(2) * Vc V^2 = u/a P = 2 pi/(Sqrt(u/a^3)) K = 1/2 V**2 - G * M / r (conservation of energy) The period of an eccentric orbit is the same as the period of a circular orbit with the same semi-major axis. Change in velocity required for a plane change of angle phi in a circular orbit: delta V = 2 sqrt(GM/r) sin (phi/2) Energy to put mass m into a circular orbit (ignores rotational velocity, which reduces the energy a bit). GMm (1/Re - 1/2Rcirc) Re = radius of the earth Rcirc = radius of the circular orbit. Classical rocket equation, where dv = change in velocity Isp = specific impulse of engine Ve = exhaust velocity x = reaction mass m1 = rocket mass excluding reaction mass g = 9.80665 m / s^2 Ve = Isp * g dv = Ve * ln((m1 + x) / m1) = Ve * ln((final mass) / (initial mass)) Relativistic rocket equation (constant acceleration) t (unaccelerated) = c/a * sinh(a*t/c) d = c**2/a * (cosh(a*t/c) - 1) v = c * tanh(a*t/c) Relativistic rocket with exhaust velocity Ve and mass ratio MR: at/c = Ve/c * ln(MR), or t (unaccelerated) = c/a * sinh(Ve/c * ln(MR)) d = c**2/a * (cosh(Ve/C * ln(MR)) - 1) v = c * tanh(Ve/C * ln(MR)) Converting from parallax to distance: d (in parsecs) = 1 / p (in arc seconds) d (in astronomical units) = 206265 / p Miscellaneous f=ma -- Force is mass times acceleration w=fd -- Work (energy) is force times distance Atmospheric density varies as exp(-mgz/kT) where z is altitude, m is molecular weight in kg of air, g is local acceleration of gravity, T is temperature, k is Bolztmann's constant. On Earth up to 100 km, d = d0*exp(-z*1.42e-4) where d is density, d0 is density at 0km, is approximately true, so d@12km (40000 ft) = d0*.18 d@9 km (30000 ft) = d0*.27 d@6 km (20000 ft) = d0*.43 d@3 km (10000 ft) = d0*.65 Atmospheric scale height Dry lapse rate (in km at emission level) (K/km) ------------------------- -------------- Earth 7.5 9.8 Mars 11 4.4 Venus 4.9 10.5 Titan 18 1.3 Jupiter 19 2.0 Saturn 37 0.7 Uranus 24 0.7 Neptune 21 0.8 Triton 8 1 Titius-Bode Law for approximating planetary distances: R(n) = 0.4 + 0.3 * 2^N Astronomical Units (N = -infinity for Mercury, 0 for Venus, 1 for Earth, etc.) This fits fairly well except for Neptune. CONSTANTS 6.62618e-34 J-s (7e-34) -- Planck's Constant ""h"" 1.054589e-34 J-s (1e-34) -- Planck's Constant / (2 * PI), ""h bar"" 1.3807e-23 J/K (1.4e-23) - Boltzmann's Constant ""k"" 5.6697e-8 W/m^2/K (6e-8) -- Stephan-Boltzmann Constant ""sigma"" 6.673e-11 N m^2/kg^2 (7e-11) -- Newton's Gravitational Constant ""G"" 0.0029 m K (3e-3) -- Wien's Constant ""sigma(W)"" 3.827e26 W (4e26) -- Luminosity of Sun 1370 W / m^2 (1400) -- Solar Constant (intensity at 1 AU) 6.96e8 m (7e8) -- radius of Sun 1738 km (2e3) -- radius of Moon 299792458 m/s (3e8) -- speed of light in vacuum ""c"" 9.46053e15 m (1e16) -- light year 206264.806 AU (2e5) -- \ 3.2616 light years (3) -- --> parsec 3.0856e16 m (3e16) -- / Black Hole radius (also called Schwarzschild Radius): 2GM/c^2, where G is Newton's Grav Constant, M is mass of BH, c is speed of light Things to add (somebody look them up!) Basic rocketry numbers & equations Aerodynamical stuff Energy to put a pound into orbit or accelerate to interstellar velocities. Non-circular cases? NEXT: FAQ #7/15 - Astronomical Mnemonics ";-1;0 "From: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet (larry silverberg) Subject: Re: H E L P M E ---> desperate with some VD Reply-To: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet Organization: University of Albany, SUNY Lines: 17 >I can probably buy the >tools and this solution somewhere but I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO INJECTION BY >MYSELF You may also want to buy a 'self injector' or something like that. My friend is diabetic. You load the hyperdermic, put it in a plastic case and set a spring to automatically push the needle into the skin and depress the plunger. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Live From New York, It's SATURDAY NIGHT... Tonight's special guest: Lawrence Silverberg from The State University of New York @ Albany aka:ls8139@gemini.Albany.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ";4;1 "From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory Lines: 12 >Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear >going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using >either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush >for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster. In defense of the drivers, who are in the right lane. Here in the states, people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50+mph. I don't think this is because they are stupid (of course, there are exceptions), they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit. Do you (in the states) when you look in the rear-view ALWAYS calculate future positions of cars based on a 50+ speed differential. Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the judgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one. BTW, If no one else is around, then GO FOR IT!. ";-1;0 "From: dericks@plains.NoDak.edu (Dale Erickson) Subject: Telix Problem Article-I.D.: ns1.C5uMr8.Gyp Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 9 Nntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu When I use telix (or kermit) in WIN 3.1, or use telix after exiting windows to dos, telix can not find the serial port. If you have some ideas on how to solve this problem or where I can find further information, send me email or send it to the news group. Thanks. Dale Erickson dericks@plains.nodak.edu -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ";-1;0 "From: kavitsky@hsi.com (Jim Kavitsky) Subject: comp.windows.x.intrinsics Summary: Clipping of character's high order bit Nntp-Posting-Host: hsi86.hsi.com Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT Lines: 38 I am having a problem with the high order bit of a character being clipped when entered in an xterm window under motif. I have reprogrammed the F1 key to transmit a character sequence by using the following line in .Xdefaults: ~Ctrl ~Shift ~Alt F1 : string(0xff) string(0xbe) \n\ I merge in this line with xrdb -merge and then create the new xterm which has the remapped F1 key. The problem that arises is that the application which is recieving input at the time only sees a <7f> <3e> sequence, which is with the high order bit of each character being filtered or ignored. When I run xev and press the F1 key, I get the correct value showing up in the following two key events: KeyPress event, serial 14, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0x28, subw 0x0, time 2067815294, (67,80), root:(74,104), state 0x0, keycode 16 (keysym 0xffbe, F1), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: """" KeyRelease event, serial 16, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, root 0x28, subw 0x0, time 2067815406, (67,80), root:(74,104), state 0x0, keycode 16 (keysym 0xffbe, F1), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 characters: """" Notice that the keysym being transmitted is correct; 0xffbe. But when I use the F1 key while in vi or in a program I wrote to spit back the hex values of keyboard input, I only get <7f> <3e>. Does anyone know why the high order bit is being filtered and what I can do to make sure that the entire 8bits make it through to the final application? Any help is greatly appreciated. Please *email* any responses. Jim Kavitsky kavitsky@hsi.com ";-1;0