Gundam SEED Freedom

Camrip here: https://mega.nz/file/yNg1BJgZ#4X9Zc<wbr>NCxNOFKVsM42DlYc3FbG6zUtRVsoWIOl145<wbr>xpo

All I did was move the .ts file available from Nyaa to an MKV.

Do we need so many SEED threads at the same time?

Lacus's mother with Aura to the right.<br>Durandal with Aura and the Accords as children to the left.

I do wonder if these were a reference to the human bombs in Zambot.

>>22632373
This guy wore the same outfit for ten years.

>>22632373
Was Dur-dur TRYING to look like a massive creep?

Although Murrue calls the city by name on a later scene, the subs only say "Eurasian Federation capital" and looks like a generic city in Europe.<br>Unlike Break The World, there are no iconic landmarks in the sequence. No Kremlin, no Red Square, no Cathedral of Christ the Savior...

>>22632397
That's what Murrue (and the subs) says.

Orphee close his eyes as he dies, while Ingrid looks at him until the end...

ok dunbine or fafnir after? i need to finish one of them.

God this movie is so ugly. It would have been an embarrassment 15 years ago, now it's just... pointless.

>>22632395
>>22632397
>>22632399
We've got a map. A large swathe of southern Russia is marked in red, from the Caucasus all the way to the Altai Mountains.
We know that Foundation is in "southern Eurasia" and the whole place is reeling with secessionists.

>>22632373
>Aura and Durandal got mogg'd by a Natural's SUPER SCIENCE and his child (Remember that Kira is a first gen Coordinator which means both his birth parents are Naturals)
Is there any materials mention when did Lacus' mother died?

>>22632379
Suicide bombers isn't a new concept

>>22632404
Fafner for maximum Hiraiface.

>>22632412
ugh im just trying to get past that bad first half or so. i couldn't stop laughing after MC's girlfriend (for like 1 episode) dies the first time she gets in a mobile suit. I was like no way that can't be the end of her (it was the end of her)

>>22632411
Kira - /g/
Shinn - /v/
Cagalli - /k/
Murrue - /mu/

>>22632416
haha kira being /g/ is hilarious because holy hell those guys have a huge messiah complex for how small their dick is.

>>22632350
There's a proper cropped version now without the chinese garbage, do the same conversion for it

https://nyaa.si/view/1819505

>May 25th, CE 75
I dunno whether it fits all the characters' birthdays, but I'll take it.

>>22632415
Fafner goes through characters like a blender. It's honestly one of the issues with it as after several series and movies it gradually starts to run out of characters you give a shit about.

Only 50k dead after two nuclear explosions? Including one in a capital city? They got off easy.

>>22632518
What
Didn't Athrun himself destroy requiem back in Destiny by launching his backpack at it?

>>22632564
The coup faction of ZAFT* repaired the cannon in secret, the novel delve into it a bit further by explaining that they "dismanted" the cannon after the war but kept the reactor since it was bured too deep and it could be used to provide energy for the Moon (this was agreed upon with Earth Alliance, which is why they were angry at PLANT when Foundation fired Requiem).

*The geezer that is the head of the coup faction is also the National Defense Comittee Chair, which was the same position Patrick Zala had

I like that the head of the Aegis is still fucking hanging out there on the island even after 3 years. I forget, was it ever shown in Destiny?

>>22632350
Can anyone reupload/repost the first link? Its deleted, and I noticed the newer one has the footage slowed down at times.

>>22632587
OP here. I deleted it on purpose.
If you want it, grab the .ts from Nyaa.

You know, Lacus isn't answering Orphee's question. While him, Aura and Shura are arrogant assholes with their own agenda to rule the world (the Knights are mostly dumb muscle) and the Destiny Plan would have to be implemented through coercion, Lacus and Kira don't have any answer to the ills of the world that Orphee correctly lists.

>>22632619
She's saying Orphee should forget about all the destiny crap and start living for himself. She did answer the question.

>>22632627
Orphee's question was about the cycle of hatred, which Kira and Lacus don't do anything about.

>>22632619
Orphee didn't believe a word of it and was just being prissy that Lacus chose Chad over him.

>>22632632
That was a rethoric. He said people like them are born out of endless conflict between people, and Lacus disagreed.
I mean, it's still retarded but nothing to be nitpicked over.

>>22632619
>They never forget hate
>Shows an image of Shinn holding Stella as she died, he later goes on to forgive and admire the guy who killed her(and his family)
>They're obsessed with immediate self interest or prejudice
>Shows an image of Natarle who died sacrificing herself

>>22632634
>Orphee didn't believe a word of it
The Accords have been brainwashed since birth. They believe every single word they spew.

>>22632619
Didn't orphee turn his citizens into suicide bombers? What a nice guy. Waiting on a knockoff of that one Gato shitpost but with Orphee

>>22632619
Lacus and Kira don't have a solution for the cycle of hatred, they will just keep fighting like they did in SEED and in Destiny.

>>22632646
Yes, and they nuked their own capital city.
Nobody is disputing that the Accords are assholes and full of shit, but he still has a point when it comes to Kira and their ilk.

Ironically I think the shitty camrip resolution makes the CG a lot more tolerable. Almost can't tell it's CG.

Also on a side note: Is Agnes referring to Kira or Shinn here?

>>22632417
She’ll be a secret unit in a SRW game one day I bet.

>>22632646
>Waiting on a knockoff of that one Gato shitpost but with Orphee
Remember in Cosmic Era we can almost always just reduce every motivation into MUH GENES

Azrael: Got butthurt because he got bullied by Coordinators as a kid
Patrick: Junius Seven attack and thinks Naturals as "obsolete"
Rau: Side effect from the Ultimate Coordinator Project and Al Da Flaga's ego
Durandal: Got butthurt because he and Talia can't marry due to genetic incompatibility
Accords: Think they can just lord over humanity because "they were created for the job"

>>22632653
Probably Shinn but the way she went about it feels very non-sensical

>>22632653
>Also on a side note: Is Agnes referring to Kira or Shinn here?
<s>Shura.</s>

>>22632642
I doubt any of them know about Natarle's change of heart before she died. Hell, Murrue probably still thinks she was the one who nearly killed Mu. Still, Azrael probably would have been a better example.
>>22632649
Does Freedom ever address that many years from whenever this takes place Kira and Lacus won't always be around to end every single conflict? Though, I doubt Fukuda ever thought of that and if he did his solution would probably be to make them immortal.

>>22632659
Even if the flowers get blown away time after time, we will plant them again.

>>22632659
>Still, Azrael probably would have been a better example.
The shot has the full sequence where the Dominion's bridge is blasted. I just picked the shot with Natarle because I like her.

>>22632643
They don't though. They believe in their own superiority and that's it. All their talk about bringing peace and a fair world is just bullshit they're saying to try to get people to cooperate with them but they don't really believe shown with how all of them just turn into maniacial super villains the second things don't go their way and nobody is looking. Example being how they say Earth nations that submit to them will have a place in their order, but then attack Orb the second they have an excuse to basically saying "Lol we were gonna destroy them anyway. Filthy old race."

The only think they legit believe in is that they are the best and deserve to be the overlords because they are the best.

>>22632619
There isn't an answer. That's the whole point. There is no way to make a perfect world. And the movie makes a point to show that the Accords being the overlords and putting in the Destiny Plan wouldn't fix things either, it would just tip the balance of power the other way. 95 percent of the death and the atrocities committed in the film (basically everything after the original BC attack which killed only about 300 people) were because of Foundation and their crazy conquering plan.

>>22632655
If Freedom is ever in a game with Geass I wonder how Lelouch or Kallen would feel about them calling themselves Black Knights.

>>22632695
The Geass ones use a Japanese name ("kuro no kishi-dan"). Freedom's are in English ("burakkunaitosukkodo").

>>22632695
>>22632698

They're smart enough with world play to probably to catch that though I suspect they'll just go "You guys suck we're the true black knights"

>>22632718
How common are seiyuu jokes/references in that thing? SEED's cast overlaps with everything.

>>22632721
Happens quite a bit. Usually just having characters played by the same actor have dialogue with each other. Like in Z2, Kira has special dialogue when fighting against Gino and Brera and vice versa

There are some odd choices in some of the on-screen titles.
>Eternal is back with ZAFT's forces, not Terminal
>Daedalus/Requiem hasn't been an EA base since the previous war

>>22632733
Fuck the Eternal. Why does that Pink eyesore get to remain while AA was toasted? Fuck you Fukuda

>>22632587
Anyone still got a copy of the first file that OP had?

I don't get what's the deal with those EA ships that suddenly appear fighting alongside the Kusanagi. Are they from Earth Alliance or Orb's fleet? I don't see any MS apart from the Murasames (the final battle in Destiny had a bunch of defectors with Windams and Dagger Ls).

>>22632740
OP here. As I said before, the chinked file is still on Nyaa.

>>22632741
Probably whatever ships Earth Alliance had left after the failed assault we saw earlier

>>22632743
I dunno. The sequence makes a point at showing that the entire fleet was wiped out by Requiem.

>>22632747
>>22632743
>>22632741
They could be Orb's, since they also use the EA's Linear Tank.

Curious addition here. Apart from the BuCUEs, the anti-coup task force also had CGUEs. Hadn't seen those in a while.

Blue Cosmos insurgents still use Linear Artillery guns and those truck missile launchers.<br>Would've liked to see some dogfights between Spearheads and Murasames, though.

>>22632632
Given he claims they were born because of the cycle of hatred, but Orphee's 20 years old, born well before any of the wars broke out he's supposed to be full of shit. Like people said Aura and the Accords don't mean half the stuff they say and just try to sound profound and like they have the moral high ground and it's the world that's wrong not them. Best shown when Orphee goes from his flowery speech to "Fuck it then Ima rape ya bitch" when Lacus doesn't buy their BS.

>>22632775
By that time Orphee was born (CE 55) there were already tensions between both Naturals and Coordinator camps with George Glenn just recently assassinated (CE 53) and there were even alleged anti-Natural bio-terrorism flying around, wouldn't he had been growing up to witness all the resentment brewing and the wars breaking out?

https://web.archive.org/web/2007092<wbr>7205938/http://www.gundamofficial.c<wbr>om/worlds/ce/background/timeline.ht<wbr>ml

In regards to the timeline, given there are age differences between the Black Knights and that Mendel was attacked in the same year right after Kira was born there who actually took Aura in and let her continue cranking out the rest of the Accords?

>>22632748
Orb generally doesn't have a very large space force. While they did have a brief alliance with the EA, they didn't deploy any space warships as far as I know, just a naval force.

So did the engineer of AA die? We see him running out of the engine room when the ship crashes but he's not shown being picked up with Neumann and the bridge crew and he's not shown again for the rest of the film as far as I saw. Did he join Sugita's character in the land of probably dying when his ship went down?

>>22632782
According to the novel, one of her relatives who was also part of the Khyber family and financed her research did.

>>22632350
I'll wait for the BD release.

>>22632366
How do Kirafags still try to push him as top dog pilot when the strongest BK pushes for Athrun? Fukuda's comment on Athrun using SF's dragoons is just the icing on the cake.

>>22632741
You could reasonably assume that they were were ships from fellow Compass council nations. Since Orb had every right to go on the offensive after an orbital laser was directed and fired at them, everyone else decided to follow suit.

>Stella is living rent free in Shin's head all this time
I wonder if Flay is living rent free in Kira's head

>>22632416
Athrun would most likely go on /v/ as well, so he could talk about tomboys there.

>>22632416
So, where would Lacus, Luna, Meyrin, and Agnes post?

>>22633030
Didn't Fukada also say that the Morosawa's design notes noted that Shura "surpasses Kira in battle power" or something?

>>22633306
>Meyrin
/g/
>Agnes
The female equivalent of /r9k/

>When you forgot to take into account Kira's ability to survive bullshit
Did Shura forget about Athrun saving Kira's ass? Did he not know the Z'Gok was an amphibious mobile suit?

>>22632748
>ripping off Eva so blatantly

[Sephirotic] Death [BR-Rip 8btis x264 1080p AAC][ENG] (1) [8393A063].mkv_snapshot_00.55.51.208.png

Now that I can re-watch and actually pause whenever, I'm somewhat surprised that the GYAN and probably the Murasame managed to sneak all the way back from Eurasia to ORB given the state they were in

>>22632783
They used at least three Izumo class ships (Kusanagi, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo) back in Destiny during the assault on Messiah / Requiem

>>22633425
I hear Mu actually fared the best against the black knights there, is that accurate?

>>22633440
I'd say it goes Kira>Athrun>Mu>Hilda>Shinn

>>22633440

Mu is the only one who gets any kind of solid hit in when he uses his newtype sense to dodge their slash enough to only take off the Murasame's head and then fires a point blank missile at them. All it does is break one of the Black Knight's swords but that's more than anyone else manages in that fight. He's also able to escape on his own power without requiring anyone else to save him.

>>22633390
They seemed to assume everyone died in the nuke and never made it out.

>>22633030
>>22633362

Kira never really has a fair fight in the entire movie, as he's either in the OP Mighty Strike Freedom or is getting gangbanged with unfair odds. In Eurasia, the Black Knights start pounding on him before he even knows what's going so he starts off his duel against Shura grounded due to losing a wing and without his physical shield and rifle. In the finale Orphee brings out an entire fleet to start bombing the crap out of him in addition to to it being 2 v 1 with Orphee and Shura (3 v 1 if you consider Ingrid is controlling the ships). Athrun meanwhile always gets an even 1 v 1 against Shura with a fresh suit and power supply.

>>22633472
The Strike Freedom was the worst matchup against Orphee and Shura's suits with their femtek armor, so Kira surviving for as long as he could against Orphee, Shura and their fleet is a pretty good testament to his piloting skill.

>>22633440
>>22633454
>>22633518
Does Kira actually have a feat of faring well with an inferior mobile suit against better suits like Amuro (Re-GZ vs Sazabai), Mu (Windam vs Freedom), or Setsuna (Flag vs GN-XIIIs)? The only time I recall was when he was using the Strike Rouge, but it got heavily damaged trying to defend the Eternal against ZAKUs and GOUFs.

>>22633518
Strike Freedom holds it's own against just Shura perfectly fine. Athrun is piloting granted but he's not doing anything Kira couldn't do there. I'm pretty sure all the talk about the GSD era Gundam's being crappy and outdated is just Foundation being full of themselves and the only actual edge they have is the beam armor which only works if your enemy doesn't know about it.

They thought the Destiny was inferior and outdated too until it starts doing shadow clone tricks they were totally taken off guard by and fighting the Black Knights 4 vs 1 with zero issue.

>>22633555
Imagine giving Bandai money for a SEED movie

>>22633538
>They thought the Destiny was inferior and outdated too until it starts doing shadow clone tricks they were totally taken off guard by and fighting the Black Knights 4 vs 1 with zero issue.
4v2

>>22633578
Hilda doesn't really participate in that fight until she jumps out to gank that girl at the end. For most of it she's covering Millennium, Luna is fighting Agnes and Shinn is fighting the Knights alone

>>22633590
>>22633560
>>22633554
OP here. This is the third fucking time I've told you that I deleted the original link because there's a better version here: >>22632500

READ THE FUCKING THREAD.

I’d share the YT link but there’s zero chance you fucks wouldn’t report it

>>22633653
>YT link
It'll probably be taken down by Sunrise or Bamco by the end of the day or week

>>22633425
>Now that I can re-watch and actually pause whenever, I'm somewhat surprised that the GYAN and probably the Murasame managed to sneak all the way back from Eurasia to ORB given the state they were in
There's a worse one. Aura got knocked out by the gas during the good guys' assault on Artemis. Later, she appears arriving on the flagship's bridge with Ingrid. Didn't anyone consider it prudent to check out the control room during the assault and maybe capture her alive?

In case you have not noticed, Fukuda doesn't give much thought as to how people and things get from A to B, or even internal consistency:
>Kira surviving the explosion and getting transported to PLANT ("explained" in Astray)
>the time that Freedom takes to travel from L5 to Alaska (explained in databooks)
>how long it passes from the battle in Mendel to the final battle (also explained in databooks)
>where the druggies come from (made up some bullshit about "death row convicts" in an event, retconned as proto-Extended in Destiny)
>Mwu tanking a positron shot with the Strike, nevermind his survival (retcon only makes Murrue look incompetent for not retrieving the cockpit)

>Archangel's trip in Destiny
>in fact, Destiny's whole timeline beyond a vague "sometime after October CE 73"
>Sting's blockword (revealed in a Tweet)
>a smoking gun that connects Durandal with the hit on Lacus
>Shinn running out of power with the Destiny in Orb
>the Earth Alliance collapsing on its own during the second war, then seemingly back a year later

>Tusk and Momoka surviving Embryo's attack ("explained" in a Tweet)

>Shinn burying the hatchet with Mwu/Neo for using Stella as a living weapon
>a bunch of Earth ships appearing with the Kusanagi with no introduction, as shown in >>22632741

>>22633082
>You could reasonably assume that they were were ships from fellow Compass council nations.
Nope. The Atlantic Federation's president was explicit that her country will not take part in COMPASS anymore.

>>22632500
That one seems to get stuck at 84% done

>>22633705
Mega is capping your downloads.

>>22632417
Why?
They were both completely retarded

>>22633712
Seeing everyone feel bad for Ingrid made me curious about her character but now that I've actually seen it I really don't get what people feel bad for, I don't know who I hate more between her and Orphee.

>>22632619
Everything Orphee says is projection, plain and simple.

It's YEARS after Destiny ended and everyone else has moved on - the only reason the plot happens is because the retarded Black Knights can't forget, don't want to change, and only see what's right in front of them.
The heart of every villainous philosophy is projection.

>>22633712
>>22633712
>>22633714
Ingrid is the stupidest character in this thing. Dumb bitch is incapable of getting the simple point that ORPHEE DOES NOT WANT HER. Her whole unrequited love is pathetic.
She could've improved her standing if they had her make a Rey and have her be the one that kills either Orphee or Aura.

>>22633714
The only one from the Black Knights I actually like is Serpentine.
He's unapologetically just a dick who wants to fight.
His mech is cool and he exposes Shinn for the little bitch he is.
No gay frilly philosophical speeches, just "I am the fucking strong, get the fuck out of my way"

>>22633715
>everyone else has moved on
No, they have not. Perhaps the main cast of goodie-goodies have turned the page, but the world as a whole continues to be a mess. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a reason for COMPASS to exist.
And no, the issue is not limited to a handful of Blue Cosmos-affiliated insurgents.

>>22633676

>There's a worse one. Aura got knocked out by the gas during the good guys' assault on Artemis. Later, she appears arriving on the flagship's bridge with Ingrid. Didn't anyone consider it prudent to check out the control room during the assault and maybe capture her alive?

The Millenium crew were focused on getting Lacus out and discrediting Foundation's schemes.

>>22632366
Its been around 20 years and the most poignant criticism I've heard of Athrun still rings true:

>Athrun is one character I will always hate no matter what because he is worthless without the rest of the cast. Somebody always has to take the fall for him to even be a decent character

>>22633725
>and discrediting Foundation's schemes.
How does that contradict anything I said? Capturing/killing the head of the organization is a standard MO, even in the Cosmic Era. Grabbing Aura should be priority #2, at least. Instead, they just let her escape, despite being in control of the entirety of Artemis.
Fucking hell, brainwashed Kira went berserk chasing the ghost of Colonel Michael.

>>22633718
I also like Shura, I thought him and Ingrid would be the only Black Knights I'd like but in the end I just couldn't care about Ingrid.
The Shive.A is very cool, that frontal shot where he's fighting the Infinite Justice is one of my favourites from the movie.
While I'm a Kira fan and I still believe him to be the best pilot, I love how Shura doesn't give a shit about him and only wants to beat Athrun.
Also, while she's not a Black Knight, I don't mind Aura, even though she brings a bunch of stupid retcons with her I found her interesting and the added material from the novel is decent.

>>22633717
It would have helped if we had any idea of why she loved him, all we know about Orphee is that he's a rapist and he doesn't believe a single thing he says. I'm pretty sure in the novel it's stated she likes him and the way he lead the Black Knights from birth, whatever that fucking means.
I didn't think of it because of how bland she is but I think I agree, she should have been the one to kill Aura.

>>22633737

As I saw it, it was better to simply have Lacus publicly assure the world she never agreed to Foundation's schemes. Even if Kira and his buddies captured Aura, that wouldn't make Orphee give up.

How do you guys feel about the new MS?

The Black Knight suits are cool, I fucking LOVE the laser capes
Downside is the names are fucking unpronounceable. Also only Serpentine gets a unique one, the others are palette swaps and Orphree gets his Vigna Ghina knockoff.

Eternal Justice and Rising Freedom have nice colour schemes but I was NOT expecting them to get wrecked so easily, only for the old suits to come back.

And of course, mad props to Athrun's Z'Gok.

>>22633748
>How do you guys feel about the new MS?
Utterly detest them. Okawara should've retired years ago. Rising Freedom is a hideous, blocky mess. I especially hate that beam rifle.

>Downside is the names are fucking unpronounceable.
They're Hindu deities with funny Jap spelling: Rudro, Shiva, Garuda.

>>22633748
I loved every MS except the Immortal Justice and the Impulse now being only one color.

Rising Freedom grew on me, I didn't like all that blue when it first was revealed but it looked good in the movie.

>>22633748
I love the Black Knights MS, Gelgoog, Z'Gok, and Mighty Strike Freedom. Z'Gok is definitely the highlight for me. It's insane how cool they made that thing.
I kinda like Gyan Strom too, but it looks kinda weirdly proportioned from certain angles.

I really want to see the BD or maybe an up close of a kit for Destiny Spec II. It was moving so fast in the movie that it was hard to take in all the details on a theater screen, but it seemed really cool. I think there was a part where it's frame glowed red sort of like SF's gold frame? And if that's the case, I love it.

And I'm pretty whatever on Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice. I get it was sort of the point, but both were pretty underwhelming.

>>22633765
Z'Gok gave me Getter Robo vibes with the block feet

>>22633578
She wasn't actively fighting them and realistically Shinn was buddies with her so he let her get a free hit to avenge her men, it was a 4v1 for 99% of the fight.

>>22633686
Then they got Requiemed and Kira popped up alive and publically said it was all a set up. They might have changed their mind after that.

>>22633748
The Murasame Kai is the greatest grunt in CE.

Who was piloting the Akatsuki, again? It was Mu, right?

>>22633797
Watch the movie before asking dumb questions, please.

>>22633778
>They might have changed their mind after that.
That's the issue, "might". It's all conjecture. We see an EA fleet being completely wiped out with a Requiem shot, then a bunch of EA ships fighting alongside the Kusanagi, as if they had appeared out of thin air.
Even Destiny bothered to put a shot with ZAFT and EA ships forming next to the Eternal for the final battle. You don't need more establishment than that to say "oh, these are defectors, right".

>>22633676
Can't forget this bit either:

>ZAFT's coup leader lamenting about inequality in humanity and the resentment that were born from it
>Forgot that said resentment was due to Coordinators being superior compared to Naturals and the ludicrous economic disparity that resulted from it (in CE 71 PLANT somehow had half of Earth's GDP despite only having 60 million people compared to the rest of Earth's 15 billion)
As if Destiny Plan wouldn't potentially widen the gap of the haves and have nots

This is some xbox hueg economic disparity you got there.jpg

Why do SEED villains HAVE to be comically cruel strawmen?

>>22633956
Because Fukuda and Morosawa are terrible at writing stories.
The Black Knights are just Druggies Mk. III, down to the same lack of motivations other than "hurr me strong i kill u", with an insanity shot at an odd angle.

>>22633748
Immortal justice feels like they wanted to retrace the steps of the savior but made it worse.

>>22633956
Because it's fun to sit back and simply enjoy watching unquestionably righteous heroes strike down unquestionably evil villains, and SEED only cares about what's cool or fun.

>Orphee goes full Low Tier God after hearing Kira declare that he has Lacus's love
lmao

>Kira taunts Aura with "Your retarded move only killed your own people, but I lived bitch", and later says that Lacus loves him to Orphee
>Athrun constantly takes the piss out of Shura who fanboys over him, and unleashes his horniness on him
>Shinn is too fast for the Black Knights and mocks them for being so slow, they're basically standing still
I guess almost dying for the umpteenth time really caused Kira and co. to be way more savage huh.

>>22633538
>They thought the Destiny was inferior and outdated too until it starts doing shadow clone tricks
Shinn was already stomping the Knights' shit in before he pulled out the shadow clones due to his impulsive battle-style being a hard counter to their mind-reading. Even then, Shinn literally took a break mid-fight to heal up Luna before resuming the beatdown, and even mocking them for being slow while doing so.

>>22633951
The movie pretty much shows why the Destiny Plan won't work, or at least won't work long term because you'd eventually get people like Orphee and the Accords and just changing up the sociopathic wannbe overlords from Naturals with old money to Coordinators/Accords with god complexes.

>>22633956
Because otherwise the situation would be pretty fucked up and you'd wonder who was really the good guy in the end

>>22634295
>Because otherwise the situation would be pretty fucked up and you'd wonder who was really the good guy in the end
In other words, competent storytelling.

>>22634299
>morally grey is automatically competent
whew lad

>>22634303
It's a step up from "PROTAGONISTS GOOD, ANTAGONISTS BAD" for the third time in a row.

>>22634299
Eh that's doesn't always improve things and honestly the idea of everything being grey is getting played out in recent years. In SEED's case maybe it would be a nice change but they really can't backtrack now without making the already shaky narrative completely self destruct. And to be honest Foundation being unironically justified about being the global overlords would be messed up in it's own way. But I suppose it's all just due to inherent flaws in the Naturals vs Coordinators narrative that really can't be worked around if the story wants to take itself that way.

>>22634315
Foundation are a bunch of arrogant, murderous assholes, but Kira/Lacus don't have any real solutions for the problems of the world either. Naturals and Coordinators hate and fear each other; even more so in the wake of Requiem.
And no, Cagalli's shithole island is not an example of "coexistence and tolerance" either.

>>22634315
>inherent flaws in the Naturals vs Coordinators narrative
uh, could you explain?

>>22633715
>It's YEARS after Destiny ended and everyone else has moved on - the only reason the plot happens is

Anon it's been 6 months since Destiny ended. Lmao.

>>22634368
He probably meant that Coordinators are inherently superior to Naturals in pretty much all aspects despite their sterility issues meant that Naturals will always be screwed over or being disadvantaged without some sort of equalizer.

>>22634371
It has to have at least been a year, because in the movie the flashback to Kira and Lacus on the beach pre Compass was set 1 year prior

>>22634371
Six months since the freedom heist incident
It has been 2 years since destiny

>>22634368
There's really no way to make each side equally moral and justified because either Naturals are jealous and petty or Coordinators are arrogant and rubbing in their superiority. Hence why they always just go down to Kira and Lacus vs guys who are just evil because they're bad and mean people and all the regular people of the world are non entities, rather than try any kind of equal point grey option. It really just won't work in the setting because someone has to look worse than the other. Or both just look equally shit, but that kills the heroic vibe Fukuda wants.

>>22634375
>>22634377
No anons. You aren't listening. It has been 6 months since the end of Destiny. This isn't negotiable. Even if you think that's absurd, we extra proof to hammer it down your throat. We have their character ages confirmed by the movie databooks too. All the characters are the same age as they were at the end of Seed Destiny. Not even 1 year has passed.

There's something erotic about Aura, her haughty and prideful hag attitude in that body, she's begging to be corrected. I'm not even into lolis.

>>22634380
The databooks don't matter if the actual movie says otherwise.

>>22634383
Movie doesn't matter when Fukuda is Directing

>>22634385
>Movie doesn't matter when Fukuda is Directing
LMAO

>>22634375
>It has to have at least been a year, because in the movie the flashback to Kira and Lacus on the beach pre Compass was set 1 year prior

You are confused about dates. That "beach scene" happened when Kira and Lacus were living in Orb during the events of Seed Destiny.

>>22634387
Can't be given they have their older designs there Kira is giving her Blue and they're talking about fighting together when at that point in Destiny Kira was still shell shocked and never intending to fight again.

>>22633748
Shiva and Calrea parallel In Justice and S Freedom.

>>22634388
If Fukuda says it is, then it is. Not sure what else to tell you.

>>22632350
>watching camrips
Have some self-respect.

>>22634390
Is this the new "Tomino says it took place at that time so that's when it took place"?

>>22634399
I have no idea what that reference is. But if Fukuda wants to retcon his own work, then there's nothing we can do about it.

>>22633962
The Druggies were cool though.
The Black Knights are not.

I do not fully understand how even in an expensive, high budget feature film 20 years later, Seed still manages to look like fucking ass 99% of the time.<br>Honestly it's kind of impressive.

>>22632350
>camrip

You people are pathetic. Have some standards. The 4K HD version coming is far superior.

>>22632775
If you've watched cross ange, it's just embryo all over again.
He talked big about the world unification and whatnot but he really just wanted to fuck ange in the pussy.

>>22634332
There is no "real" solution to a problem that's a result of humans being humans. Furthermore, they already rejected the Destiny Plan back in Destiny, so why would they bother debating its values with an imitator who has a god complex. Notice that Orphee never actually tries to convince Lacus beyond you are genetically designed to be my cock sleeve.

>>22633686
Actually watch the movie again, Cagalli literally tells her people to notify the Compass council nations when she's suiting up.

While the Council nations previously withdrew, circumstances may have changed after a clear attack on Orb territory.

>>22633842
Nothing about your explanation rules it as the only reason, having the Council nations make their move alongside ORB and Kusanagi is a far more reasonable sequence of events your insistence that ships appeared out of nowehere.

>>22634332
That's a retarded take, no one reasonably has the time to formulate a counter argument for Orphee. Lives are on the line when Foundation is literally threatening to nuke dissidents every few seconds, people are obviously going to focus on the most immediate threat first, not waste time trying to come up with a counteragument to an Aryan sperglord.

>>22634006
I knew it was finished for these guys when METEOR started playing

It's insane how Murrue was ORDERING THE SHIP TO DRIFT IN SPACE TO SHOOT DOWN MISSILES WHILE LAUNCHING MS AT THE SAME TIME.

>>22634377
>It has been 2 years since destiny

It's only been a short time since Destiny ended. A matter of months. The Freedom heist stuff happened shortly after Destiny ended. All the characters are still the same age in the movie. Fukuda said Compass was established pretty quickly as it was negotiated by Lacus. Millennium was built in a matter of weeks using tech from all 3 factions.

>>22634629
Lacus is 20 and Kira is 19, so the movie takes place some time between February and May CE 75.

Destiny starts in October CE 73. I haven’t seen a date for when it ends.

>>22634652
That's their age at the start of Freedom, there's a scene in the movie that says 25/5/75 so Kira is 20 in the second half of the movie.

>>22634652
>Lacus is 20 and Kira is 19, so the movie takes place some time between February and May CE 75.

Kira was 18 during Seed Destiny. 6 months pass, and Kira is now 19 during the events of Seed Freedom.

>>22634545
>your insistence that ships appeared out of nowehere.
It's not my "insistence". Kusanagi shows up all alone in the battlefield after shedding its Mirage Colloid sheeting, only with a complement of Murasames to attack Requiem and its defending fleet.
The next time it shows up in >>22632741, there's a bunch of Earth ships on the background next to it, with no description as to where they came from.

>>22634652
>Destiny starts in October CE 73. I haven’t seen a date for when it ends.
There is no exact date other than "CE 74".
Going by this timeline from a databook published this year, New Year CE 74 happened at some point between the Battle of Crete and the Destroy's rampage in Berlin.

>>22634566
>DRIFT IN SPACE
You mean thrusting with the maneuvering system? There's nothing special about that, since there's no atmosphere or friction in space.
If anything, the lack of consideration that space has no fixed direction annoys me. This sequence, for instance (rotated 180° from the original): why don't the Gottfireds have more elevation? They can only shoot targets in "front" and to the "sides", but not "up".

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>>22632741
>>22633082
>>22634545
>>22635185
It may count for little, but the novel says it is the "Orb fleet". If Foundation has a bunch of Nazcas and Laurasias, why wouldn't Orb have something to reinforce their space presence, apart from exactly three Izumos?

>>22632733
>>22632738
Lacus and the Clyne faction returned it to ZAFT at the end of Destiny, and it became Yzak's flagship. Why he didn't repaint it though, I don't know. It's confirmed though that he's a fan of Lacus' songs though, so maybe keeping the paintjob is like keeping the signed poster of your favorite singer on display for all to see.

>>22635258
>and it became Yzak's flagship
He moved from the mobile fortress Gondwana to the freaking Eternal?

>>22635267
Yzak was just at Gondwana (remember that it served as a giant CIC and even let ships docked into it) since he had his own ship and even told the captain to "stay behind the lines" lest he wants to get the ship sunk.

>>22634332
There is no big solution to the issue that isn't an evil one, as you can't force people to like and accept each other. Their solution was to put out fires with Compass until Naturals and Coordinators could learn to get along. And to be fair, it was working decently at the start of the movie. Compass was trashing Blue Cosmos fine in Eurasia and if Foundation hadn't pulled their BS because they wanted to rule the world they very well could have arrested Michael interrogated him and gotten the info to take down the organization for good. Which wouldn't be a complete solution but would be a pretty good start of one.

>>22635258
>Lacus and the Clyne faction returned it to ZAFT at the end of Destiny, and it became Yzak's flagship
>>22632733
>Eternal is back with ZAFT's forces, not Terminal

Please stop lying. The Eternal is a Terminal ship. It literally says its a Terminal ship in the movie with a title description.

They only came to help ZAFT during the Coup and save the Prime Minister of ZAFT from getting captured. Eternal wasn't Yzak's flagship or anything like that. Yzak didn't even know Terminal brought the upgraded Duel and Buster. Eternal was only there to help temporarily.

>>22635401
>Please stop lying. The Eternal is a Terminal ship. It literally says its a Terminal ship in the movie with a title description.
Would that mean that Daedalus Base (where Requiem is located) is an Earth Alliance facility, then? Because that's what the title says in >>22632733

>>22635401
>The Eternal is a Terminal ship. It literally says its a Terminal ship in the movie with a title description.
Either the movie titles are wrong, or the website is wrong, which says that Eternal "for a time it was classified as missing, but it has now returned to ZAFT". Let's split the difference and say the movie titles refers to their former roles, rather than present.

>Yzak didn't even know Terminal brought the upgraded Duel and Buster.
That was not Terminal. It was some kind of "resistance" (「レジスタンス」, the Clyne faction?).

>>22635419
>for a time it was classified as missing, but it has now returned to ZAFT".
The website isn't wrong. It's describing was the Eternal did in the movie. The ship belongs to Terminal, and came to save ZAFT leaders when the Terminal intelligence network noticed ahead of time that a Coup was about to happen.

>>22635185
Yea I wonder where they came from myself

>>22635427
>Orb's lunar fleet
Since when a single ship has made up a "fleet"?

>>22635419
That description is rather vague. You are also forgetting the context. The people who write for these websites and publications are given limited information ahead of time by the production staff. They generally don't know the full details either or are only allowed to write some basic info to avoid major spoilers the movie director wants to keep secret.

>>22635422
>>22635401
Explain now why the titles say that Daedalus is an Earth Alliance facility.

>>22635436
Maybe it linked up with other Orb ships around the area? I have no clue why people can't make the reasonable assumption that Kusanagi simply linked up with other forces around the area or came from a different approach as the rest of the fleet. You also see a few other Izumo-class ships later on.

>>22635439
There's nothing to explain. Requiem was originally built at EA's Daedalus base on the Moon.

>>22635446
>Requiem was originally built at EA's Daedalus base on the Moon.
And why that doesn't apply to Eternal, which was built originally for ZAFT?

>>22635439
What specifically are you confused about? The title is there to tell the audience that this isn't some new requiem laser that Foundation built. That its same one from the last series, and Foundation secretly repaired it.

anything to give me the SEED feel? fafner's a little too "serious" and it's kinda throwing me off with hirai's designs.

>>22635450
>And why that doesn't apply to Eternal
>that
What is "that" you keep talking about?

>>22635520
cross ange seems too much on the comedy end for me. like im not really looking for something like scryed i'm looking for something like seed. ehhh maybe actually more like muv luv in which it starts light and things go to shit really really fast
<s>or something really like marginal operation </s>

>>22635526
already watched it. is there an anime adaptation for baldr sky?

>>22635437
Or they just got the context wrong and weren't corrected. Like the website originally saying Hilda's team were assigned to the AA. This is wrong, but an understandable mistake because they don't deploy from Millenium in the first battle and two of them are with the AA during the Eurasian fight. In this case they probably assumed Eternal was a Zaft ship because Yzak and a bunch of Zaft guys evacuate to it and nobody else from Terminal is on it (not even Andy). If you didn't already know it's history from the previous shows one could easily mistake it as a Zaft ship.

>>22635524
Freedom is the same as ange, only difference is the latter directly told you to laugh

>>22635419
>That was not Terminal.
Yes it was. Terminal were the ones that refit Buster, Duel, and put Infinite Justice in a Z'gok.

>>22635722
>Yes it was. Terminal were the ones that refit Buster, Duel
Prove it.

Terminal is mentioned a bunch of times in the movie, including a shot to their asteroid Factory, but never in relation to the upgraded Duel and Buster. Novel doesn't say anything either.
They go to Boaz to pick the MS, meaning they weren't embarked on the Eternal.

>>22635731
when they showed them talking on the eternal's bridge, didn't they say they were going to retrieve a stash of stuff that lacus or terminal put aside at boaz?

>>22635731
>prove it
It's in the freaking movie you speed watcher. You have the freaking camrip and you still miss details! Cringe and embarrassing.

>>22635750
>>22635764
Ignore him. He just loves trolling seed threads. Eternal is Terminal's ship. Duel and Buster was refit by Terminal and hidden away for an emergency.

>>22635750
Not him but they refer to it as a "Resistance supply center" set up by Lacus.

>>22633306
Agnes is the one that post things like
>touch grass
>incel
>you never saw a real woman
in any board

>>22635731
Both suits were hidden on remnants of Asteroid Boaz by Terminal. Probably as a secondary supply location so they don't have to reveal the location of their main Factory base. If they need supplies then they travel to supply dumps, and not their main base.

>>22635770
>>22635764
>>22635776
>>22635785
>It's in the freaking movie you speed watcher.
No, it is not. They never mention "Terminal" by name either in the scene where they decide to move to Boaz, or when Yzak or Dearka board their units.
The "Clyne Faction/"Resistance" is not the same organization as "Terminal": get that through your thick heads. You people are just extrapolating on years of arguing about Strike Freedom to even consider the chance that there might be somebody else.

In fact, the novel is clear as to who made the upgrades: ZAFT's Yuri Amalfi and Ezalia Joule were using them as testbeds, not Terminal.

>>22632350
I guess being spoiled and not watching it on theaters didn't made the movie so crazy like everyone was saying to me. The action sequences by the end are great and the returning characters are what you expect. The story is just there as an excuse to make these new enemies fight and the ending scenes could have used more time. Yes, we learned new things, some things changed, but we ended with status quo anyway. I had fun, but it really feels like an anime movie from a series, where they just throw the fanservice there isntead of building something for a conclusion or a new setting.

>>22635808
Like people said when it first dropped it seemed like they mostly were just trying to do a retake of Seed Destiny's final arc without it's production and writing problems.

>>22635808
>it really feels like an anime movie from a series, where they just throw the fanservice there instead of building something for a conclusion or a new setting.
That is basically what it is, how it was produced and promoted. Remember that this was 18 years in hiatus. It was supposed to come out in 2006.

>>22635811
>>22635863
Is this the same novel that said Proud Defender pack was built for Rising Freedom yet we found out in the movie and databooks that Proud Defender was made for Strike Freedom. The same novel that said Akatsuki was turned into scorched black charcoal by Requiem, but in the movie it was just fine deflecting requiem? Yeah no. Novel is 100% unreliable. Show us something else.

>>22635874
>The same novel that said Akatsuki was turned into scorched black charcoal by Requiem, but in the movie it was just fine deflecting requiem?

It is notably sparking after that hit in the film at least, although it's not nearly as bad as the novel says so you're not wrong

>>22635790
No it wasn't your "random novel characters" you novel obsessed anon. It was Terminal. Terminal refit Buster and Duel with nuclear reactors. Not ZAFT. Why? Terminal did it so those two suits could provide nuclear power to the Meteor attachments.

>>22632373
So is Lacus just a clone of her mother with Accord powers?

>>22635931
Made her tits nicer too probably

>>22635927
I think anon forgot that the Clyne Faction is part of Terminal. He thinks it's a seperate org

>>22633527
Not that I can recall. Kira's schtick is having a top class suit but being outnumbered.

>>22635927
And according to the databooks, the Meteor's electrical power demand is immense, and can accidently overload the nuclear reactors of the Freedom or Justice if power is not carefully managed. In some instances, it cause Freedom or Justice to temporarily shut down due to overloading their nuclear reactors. That's why in the movie each Meteor is also equipped with their own internal nuclear reactor in addition to the ones installed in Buster and Duel. 2 nuclear reactors solved the power issues.

>>22635475
>the SEED feel
Teen drama with robots and world politics? Try Code Geass.

>>22635524
>like im not really looking for something like scryed
Why? Scryed is both serious and comedic and it's a great show that delivers. Unlike SEED.

>ehhh maybe actually more like muv luv in which it starts light and things go to shit really really fast
So you want shit, is that what you want? You want dumb relationship drama and no focus on the military setting and a plot that is reduced 'fight big evil monsters'? Sidonia no Kishi is for you. 'Enjoy'.

>>22635790
>No it is not.
Then what is this, retard? >>22632733

>>22633390
Considering Aura and the rest of the Black Knights knew about Kira's history in the past two wars, and his status as Hibiki's Ultimate Coordinator, you'd think they wouldn't be as flabbergasted as they were to Kira announcing his survival

>>22635808
You expected an actual story instead of a fountain of stupid tsukkomi-bait scenes, that's on you

>>22633956
I don't think Fukuda knows anything else.

So is anyone going to tell Fukuda that incest is gross and wrong? Ingrid falling in love with her brother is just so wrong on so many levels. Kind of weird that no one on Japanese Twitter questioned it.

>>22636247
We have no idea if there's blood relation between the accords because Fukuda only made this retcon for cheap drama and didn't actually spend time to have it make sense.

>>22636247
Aren't brocons/siscons often common in anime, whether blood related or not? I think Oreimo even ended with the sister winning.

>>22636264
>blood relation
They were all raised together as siblings.

>>22636244
Durandal at best can be seen as a naive idiot who thought he could legislate and maintain world peace on a macro scale using SCIENCE and superweapons to enforce it and at worse he is just a bitter person who want the world to experience the same misery he suffered through because of MUH GENES

>>22636277
That's not what Ingrid saw it, apparently.
I think the only ones who shared same DNA, therefore are real sisters, are Ingrid and the female pilot, i forgot her name. They have the same lastname, so probably they had the same donator.

>Did not kill any main characters, only the two Dom guys and blowing up the Archangel, one of the most recognizable ships in post 2000 Gundam.
Sleep tight, sweet princess.

>>22633538
>>22633578
Athrun and Kira are fighting Sura and Orphee while they're mind is being read pretty much the whole fight meanwhile the black knights didn't/cant use their mind reading with Shinn at the start of the fight

Kira and Athrun fared pretty well against mind reading tactics while Shinn didn't even fight while his mind is being read

>>22636082
Durandal made the exact same mistake twice so the apple doesn't fall far

>>22632411
SEED Freedom was created to mock both lefty, and incel LMAO.

>>22636244

Even Durandal has his unnecessarily ruthless sacrifice, worldwide manipulation and over the top destructive moments he just had a better poker face than most. And the movie makes him look even worse depending on how much about Aura he was truely aware of.

>>22633527
>Amuro (Re-GZ vs Sazabi

uhhh Char was letting Amuro live so they could have a fair fight. If Char wanted to kill Amuro would've been torn to pieces almost immediately. See also the UC Engage cutscene where Sazabi once again makes Amuro's Rick Dijeh look like a clown. it isn't even remotely close.

>Movie is better than Gundam SEED Destiny
C'mon Fukuda.

>>22636021
it's a little too
>read the rest of your post
nvm you're a toxic /m/fag

>>22636362
Rest in pieces, ballet-flats-wearing dumbass ship

>>22636703
imo the movie is maybe even the best SEED material period.
Early SEED (up until Kira and Athrun fake die) was pretty good but Freedom has a hilarious and kind of respectable confidence that only comes with time

Why didn't Kira ask for Disruptor approval before launching and just destroy Requiem immediately? Honestly it may have even scrubbed Shura in one blow since he likes getting up close and practicing his combos

>>22632619
Why are you taking the side of the incel who named his enforcers the black knights and whose leader is named SHURA SERPENTINE and has hair horns like a demon? They sure seem like they are on the straight and narrow.

>>22632373
Huh, so the spoilers we got on the first day were true.

>>22632373
So Durandal's involvement with Aura is after Aura's involvement with Lacus.

>>22632658
That looks mistranslated, post the original

I think a lot about the original premise Fukuda mentioned where the villains were a group of failed Kira clones. Would Canard have become canon?

>>22632784
>Did he join Sugita's character in the land of probably dying
I mean Vino is literally shown crying while holding a mechanic's glove later, and he isn't shown in photos where Shinn is hanging out with Vino taking place after, so I don't think that's really a "probably" as much as an "obviously"

>>22633717
Ingrid isn't even a real character, she's only there to be a prop for Orphee to show that someone does love him and he doesn't see it, which makes no sense given what a seething chud he is.

>>22636767
Nobody cares. He was the only one to run like a coward in Alaska. I wish they killed him off during the Eurasia scene.

>>22636730
The Proud Defender wasn't ready yet and needed an improvised manual docking and Lacus riding alongside to work.

>>22636756
You'd think they'd be a little more pissed at Athrun and Murrue about that then.

>>22636783
Shinn and Mwu are right there

>>22636684
Yeah, Char was holding back because he wanted his fair fight with equal suits, only to lose anyway because Amuro is still the better pilot.

>>22633707
How do you get around that without downloading their spyware?

>>22636264
>We have no idea if there's blood relation between the accords because Fukuda only made this retcon for cheap drama and didn't actually spend time to have it make sense.
Aura said they are her children and raised them as siblings.

>>22635927
>It was Terminal. Terminal refit Buster and Duel with nuclear reactors.
Where does it say that? Give me one fucking source that directly connects Terminal to Duel and Buster. The movie says "resistance", not Terminal.
Oh, wait a second...

>No it wasn't your "random novel characters" you novel obsessed anon.
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>>22636970
The rest of the thread is telling you it's Terminal. Show us your proof without referencing the novel. The novel isn't proof. It's been proven different than the anime.

>>22637023
>The rest of the thread is telling you it's Terminal.
I don't care what "the thread" is saying. None of the official materials, either the movie, website or databooks, connects the upgraded Duel/Buster to "Terminal" anywhere. Burden of proof is on you.

>>22636970

I love how you just make up random facts, and then demand the rest of us "prove you wrong".

You were wrong to begin with.

>>22637036
>I love how you just make up random facts
The only "made up random fact" here is the claim that Duel/Buster were upgraded by Terminal.
「レジスタンス」, not "Terminal".

>>22636970
Look at it this way. Explain how Duel and Buster have required nuclear compatible power source, have the exact necessary connections, physical hardpoints, upgraded software, required programming, and are 100% compatible with Terminal operated and upgraded Meteors (which have been refit and uograded too)??? How could that have happened if it wasn't done by Terminal. Since you insist that the Resistance (which is Terminal in disguise) is not Terminal.

>>22637047

He thinks some random zaft engineers did it.

Then by random chance the refit Duel and Buster suits just HAPPENED to Terminal Meteor-compatible.

Totally random chance! Kek.

And they are not just "Meteor-compatible", but compatible with the Generation 3 upgraded Meteors used by Terminal.

Brand new Meteors Terminal Built and modfiied that aren't the same as the original.

Yes. Some random zaft engineers did it with no assistance. Randomly.

All random chance.

It all just happened to work out.

Had nothing to do with Terminal modifying certain suits to better suit their needs.

Nope.

Random chance.

Kek.

>>22637073
You know what the best part is? That anon hasn't been right on a single thing he's ever disputed. We could probably make a long list of all the nonsense he's been wrong about. Recently he used to demand claim that Proud Defender was going to be used for Rising Gundam. Then more info came out and he was wrong. It's not even possible since Proud Defender needs 2 nuclear reactors to work. Now he refuses to make any post about it. Next what's going to happen is that more info is will come out about these suits, and he's going to be wrong again. It will say Terminal in some databook. Then he run to the dark corner and hide and pretend he never disputed it. As usual. The same pattern looping over and over.

>>22636244
Durandal is the same as Rau and Orphee, he's just nicer about it, and being voiced by Shuichi Ikeda makes you a smooth motherfucker.

>>22637077
>has no argument
>has no explanation
>resorts to insults
Explain the Meteor compatibility issue or screw off anon. We're waiting.

>>22637041
You foolish dum dum. The レジスタンス or "Resistance" IS a secret Terminal branch inside Zaft. Did you completely forget Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny? You are cringe and embarrassing.

>>22637101
>>22637047
>Explain how Duel and Buster have required nuclear compatible power source, have the exact necessary connections, physical hardpoints, upgraded software, required programming
How do you explain this, then? We know Impulse was upgraded by Orb's engineers, rather than Terminal's. Yet it can dock and use METEOR's weapons right away, despite having a battery.

>>22637073
>>22637036
How come this one guy is never called "Reddit-spacing-kun" by that other guy, despite his liberal use of double lines?

>>22637095
>It will say Terminal in some databook.
We already have a databook, and guess what? It doesn't say "Terminal" anywhere, but rather that they were "converted to nuclear power in secret". And, as far as I know, Terminal doesn't have the monopoly on that technology,
Also, the ZAKU Warrior cockpits sound more like a ZAFT upgrade than a Terminal one.

>>22632411
>this is what anti-kirafags were hyping up months ago

>>22637187
>>22637132
>>22637047
Isn't the obvious answer that with Lacus having assumed the position of PLANT Chairwoman in the aftermath of Destiny, and then later head of Compass, that Terminal simply folded back into ZAFT and/or Compass since their head was now in charge of it?

>>22632350
I'm kinda disappointed that Kira or Shinn didn't pull off any ricochet shots with Rising Freedom/Immortal Justice's drone shields

>>22637214
>with Lacus having assumed the position of PLANT Chairwoman in the aftermath of Destiny,
Lacus was never PLANT chairwoman.

>>22637170
>answering a question with a quesrion
Answer the original question first

>>22632741
They're the "remaining Earth forces" according to 1:26:25 of the camrip the remaining Earth ships and Orb's Lunar fleet were heading to Requeim. Apparently not all of the Earth ships launched were destroyed. Kusanagi and Akatsuki approaching with the stealth systems were apparently a surprise attack they were a diversion for I guess.

>>22637187
He's probably talking about the upcoming Duel and Buster gunpla release which will have more information. Not a pamphlet with a single sentence of info like yours

>>22637214
I'm not sure if Lacus was the chairwoman but she definitely had extreme influential power at the end of Destiny. With her influence level Lacus probably could have taken the zaft chair position if she wanted it. No one could stop her.

>that Terminal simply folded back into ZAFT and/or Compass since their head was now in charge of it?
Lacus and her supporters kept Terminal separate. Probably to keep it as a semi-secret trump card. Terminal is a "mercenary CIA" , but with mobile suits and ships. You know they are out there, but you generally don't know what specifically they are doing.

>>22637132
>The レジスタンス or "Resistance" IS a secret Terminal branch inside Zaft. Did you completely forget Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny? You are cringe and embarrassing.
Exactly. They are the same people that pinched Gaia Gundam from ZAFT storage, saved Lacus from assassination attempts, and saved Athrun from getting killed. It's all Terminal. Just different branches depending on where they operate.

>>22637170
>Yet it can dock and use METEOR's weapons right away, despite having a battery.
The new Meteor models were upgraded with an internal nuclear reactor to fix the power issues the original Meteors had. if pushed too hard, the OG Meteors can suck up too power and overload Freedom and Justice's reactors and shut them down. Hasn't this been said like 30 times by other anons already? I definitely recall other anons have said it so many times.

>>22637332

It's been common knowledge for years.

Other anon just doesn't know or doesn't want to accept it.

It's why he keeps bringing it up and over.

>>22637361
>It's been common knowledge for years.

I wouldn't go that far. That was a recent side book addition. There was nothing to indicate the Meteors ever had power issues in either Seed or Destiny and the material that came out at that time.

>>22637375
>I wouldn't go that far. That was a recent side book addition. There was nothing to indicate the Meteors ever had power issues in either Seed or Destiny and the material that came out at that time.

Since when was 2005 considered recent?

Just admit you were wrong and move on anon.

Constantly asking why Impulse can dock with Meteor every seed thread for the last 2 months is getting very old.

>>22632373
did they ever mention how Aura became a lolibaba?
clone?

>>22637455
The novel explains it: the anti-aging drug she was working on fell over her during the attack on Mendel.

>>22637459
I see. Kind of a weird detail to leave out in the movie.

>>22637389
I'm not that anon, and I've been on these threads for years and nobody has ever brought up the Meteor power issues until the movie came out. That's not to say I don't believe they say them now and it wasn't a Terminal thing but I can not once remember that ever being mentioned until this year. There was never a reason for anyone to care until the movie came out.

>>22637459
>>22637465
Very weird because I feel a viewer's natural assumption would be the opposite, that she's a mad scientist and made herself younger wanting immortality or something, not that it was an accident that made her crazy.

>>22637459
That's some powerpuff girl tier dumb shit. I thought she did it on purpose in search of immortality.

>>22637476
Well No one expected anyone but Freedom and Justice to use Meteor. Then Terminal decided to upgrade other suits to use Meteor for the movie. The only thing that surprised me was how quickly Lunamaria was able to use Meteor. She had zero hesitation and knew instantly how to use it.

pretty sure astray already had nuclear METEORs but fuck astray, right?

So is there an excuse for how the fuck Agnes got an S pack

>>22637476
To be fair the power sources for Meteor are basically hidden in supplimentary materials (a huge battery according to SEED Official File and nuclear reactor in the "Anime Comic" version of SEED Destiny), in the original HG Freedom + Meteor kit they just were like "Freedom and Justice's nuclear reactor basically supplies the Meteor power its engines and weapon systems"

>>22637554
Either the coup faction from ZAFT provided it or Foundation built it off the data stored in the Gyan

>>22637528
>>22637598
>>22637375
>There was nothing to indicate the Meteors ever had power issues in either Seed or Destiny and the material that came out at that time.
>>22637476
>but I can not once remember that ever being mentioned

I'm not the anon who made this argument but I'm getting freaking tired of anons talking about it. The power issues was known since 2004. Meteors draw power from the nuclear reactors of Freedom and Justice. It's one of the reasons why they are so much MORE powerful when connected to those suits, and not as powerful when they are connected to the Eternal.

Attached is a databook picture says Freedom and Justice were doing mock battles against eachother in Meteor. During the battle one of them experienced power issues which put a strain on the reactor. The single nuclear reactor couldn't handle the power demand. The reactor red lined, and the suit shut down and went phase shift down. Also mock battle data results showed that Kira and Athrun were equal in skill.

Now we all know okay? Case closed. New Meteors were built by Terminal for the movie, and were rebuilt with a nuclear reactor built inside Meteor to avoid power issues like that happening again. Impulse spec 2 with a battery can use Meteor, but not as effectively as the refit NJC equipped Duel and Buster. 2 nuclear reactors are optimal for Meteor use and its why Terminal refit Duel and Buster in secret.

>>22637715
>New Meteors were built by Terminal for the movie
They're the same METEORs from the final battle in Destiny, 7 and 8. They just upgraded them.

>Terminal refit Duel and Buster in secret.
Again with this crap? Stop it.

>>22637730
You were proven wrong by 3 other anons in this thread. Go away troll.

>>22637735
Proven wrong where? When? Show me a single piece of evidence that effectively says "Duel and Buster were upgraded with nuclear reactors by Terminal, rather than ZAFT engineers".

>>22637737
The fact they can connect with Terminal Meteors is proof. The fact that Buster and Duel had their physical hardpoints modified, have their power source modified to be compatible, and have all the necessary programming, software, and drivers installed to do it. This isn't something that can be done randomly.

>>22637752
Exactly. Imagine Buster connecting to Meteor and getting an error message, "Error 3464: Incompatible Drivers installed. Please restart system and try again."

>>22637752
>The fact that Buster and Duel had their physical hardpoints modified, have their power source modified to be compatible, and have all the necessary programming, software, and drivers installed to do it.
Impulse. FUCKING IMPULSE.
ANSWER THIS FIRST, MOTHERFUCKER: >>22637170

>>22637766
Do you think you have some sort of "gotcha"? Impulse Spec II was modified by Erica Simmons. She has access to Strike Freedom (which is Meteor compatible) for all necessary software and hardware needed to connect to Meteor. You have nothing to argue.

>>22637766
Pathetic

>>22637772
Exactly. It's not even a question.

>>22632350
So, the capital of Eurasia is Moscow (it was, that is), and it turns out that it was Russia that became the basis of this supranational supercountry, and not Western Europe?

But what about the “economy the size of Italy” and the “gas station with nuclear missiles”? I mean, where, in the context of global crises with resources and people, as well as the Third World War, did an already weak Russia have the opportunity to seize territories in Europe and the Middle East? Not to mention the fact that the European population would not accept Moscow's rule...

>>22638043
Remember that The Destroy Gundam in Seed Destiny ravaged through Europe nearly unopposed. And annihilated economic hubs like Berlin and large parts of Germany.

>>22638043
Eurasia Federation consists of basically the majority of Europe (except United Kingdom and Scandinavia) and Russia, and its capital moved from Brussels to Moscow at some point before the events of Freedom.

>>22636086
Why so snarky? I liked the movie. And yeah, after almost 20 years I expected something new, not more of the same. But the same I got was cool and didn't ruined any legacy, like sequels from other franchises.

>>22632350
I didn't saw Kuzzey's cameo, anyone have a pic?

>>22637465
>Kind of a weird detail to leave out in the movie.
The movie has this shitty rushed pacing where too many things were crammed in, so dramatic or more weighty scenes that should have had more time were like ok next scene!

>>22637752
>>22637772
>>22638009

I'd disagree and say that there's just no hardpoints required and any suit can link up with the Meteors now that they're self powered, since Buster and Duel were probably expected to use it since they were in Terminal's care but Impulse was in Orb and the chances of it needing to use a Meteor were slim. Either that or they modded all their suits to be able to use Meteors so Impulse wasn't a special case.

Then again mobile suit linking plugs seem to have mostly been completely forgotten about post SEED to the point where Gaia grabs Strike Rouge's rifle in Destiny and has zero issues using it even though they shouldn't be remotely compatible. Either that or all MS and weapons from Destiny onwards were just given universal plugs for all potential weapons. Which I suppose would be an answer the question.

>>22639165
>acts like a fool and throws a fit
>gets a plausible explanation
>uhh...i dISagRee
Pathetic

>>22639165
>SEED to the point where Gaia grabs Strike Rouge's rifle in Destiny and has zero issues using it even though they shouldn't be remotely compatible.

You are forgetting that Strike Rouge was not built by EA. It was built by Orb by examining the captured Strike Gundam.

>>22639388
Right? Not to Mention that Orb and Terminal have a very close relationship since Orb was part of the 3 ships alliance during Seed. It's very likely that Terminal shared data with Erica. People forget that Erica was a trusted veteran and fought during the Battle of Yachin Due. She's not some random nobody.

>>22639339
We seriously need to start mandating trips in these threads if we're gonna keep assuming anyone who has any kind of comment on this is the same guy

>>22638358
About little over an hour into the film, just moments before the Earth Alliance fleet gets wiped out by Requiem.

Hey can someone post the subs for when Shura reacts to naked Cagalli? I'm curious as to what they translated "harenchi" to because it's an SRW Athrun meme.

So are the Doms and Gaia the only surviving MS unacccounted for in the film?

>>22640406
No one knows for sure where they are, but if I had to guess...Both were probably put into Terminal storage. All Compass suits are able to fly now under gravity. Doms and Gaia can't, and so they don't work with Compass tactics.

>>22640515
They probably could have equipped the Dom's with the newer flight packs if they really wanted since they should have been compatible. It seemed like a waste to have the three pilots who's specialty was using synchro attacks in mobile suits designed to work as a trio instead to just be assigned to general suits, killing their teamwork ability. That's probably what got the two guys killed honestly. If Hilda was with them and they were all in flight capable DOMs they'd probably have faired better against the Black Knights and not have gotten killed.

>>22639446
>pretends to be another person as soon as they lose the argument.

You do this in every seed thread. People call you out.

No one is fooled now.

You get into some intense debate about something unimportant.

Then when you are proven wrong you magically disappear, and a "new anon" (you) just coincidentally joins the debate and just happens to agree with everything the old anon (you) said.

You even make a point to say that you are different anon.

But the old anon disappears and stops posting at the same time.

No one is fooled.

Yes go ahead please respond with "Oh that's not me! Tee hee."

But your "tell" is that no one gives af about Terminal upgrading Buster and Duel except you.

You can't help yourself. If someone mentions it, your brain can't help yourself and you must write a post.

No one is fooled.

>>22640634
Fukuda was following UC history. And in UC the Gelgoog is superior to the Dom.

Kira was building Proud defender for Rising Freedom right? He didnt know that strike freedom was hidden in ORB until later in the movie, right?

>>22640851
>katana is black
perfect for making the blade into Kirito's

>>22640851
He was building it for Strike Freedom. The reason it was on the Millennium was because he was overworking himself, and supervising everything because Kira felt he couldn't trust anyone else to do without him.

Proud Defender needs 2 nuclear reactors to work. It won't function with Rising Freedom. Not even sure how it could connect with Rising Freedom either since RF is a transforming suit.

>>22640851
Why would he be building it for Rising Freedom? The Rising Freedom doesn't even have the disruptor installed.

>>22640851
I still don't even understand why Rising Freedom was even built when it's literally just a clone of Freedom Gundam but with a weak battery

>>22640854
Or maybe for people to bust out the Gundam Marker Airbrush installed with the Marker EX Chrome Silver. The fact that the katana is black is so that people can clean up the nubs on the katana and even sharpen the damn thing before painting.

>>22640871
They literally exist so they can get dabbed on by the OG final suits

It was pretty hype to be fair

>>22640936
I honestly think it would have been cooler to have Kira pilot a custom grunt suit. Like a custom Murasame or Gelgoog.

>>22640888
The katana just straight up is black and only reflects lighter colors. The HG is supposed to have some sort of finish on it to boot so if that's it it just looks flat because of the lighting.

>>22641098
I see.

Two things: One, you think the eventual RG Shiranui Pack will come with a custom sheath for the Futsunomitama (since this is originally meant for the Akatsuki, and is sizable enough)? And two, has anyone scanned at least the front and back of the manual that gives us the small details of the machine?

>>22641101
Technically the release date is still a couple days away so it doesn't seem like it.

Still using stickers for the lines on the rifles, annoyingly. Not as ridiculous as the Gyan's S pack being almost all grey plastic at least.

>>22640735
Listen here, you schizophrenic, reddit-spacing son of a turd.
Is it even possible for you to even fathom the idea that there could be multiple fucking people asking the same questions:

>>22637730
>>22637766
>>22637392
>>22637187
>>22637172
>>22637170
>>22637041
>>22637032
All of those posts are mine, plus others. Also, I'm OP of this thread.

>>22639446
>>22639165
These two are NOT mine.

Now, will you cut it out with your "its the same guy!!! its the same guy!!!" act?

>>22639165
>>22639388
>Then again mobile suit linking plugs seem to have mostly been completely forgotten about post SEED to the point where Gaia grabs Strike Rouge's rifle in Destiny and has zero issues using it even though they shouldn't be remotely compatible. Either that or all MS and weapons from Destiny onwards were just given universal plugs for all potential weapons. Which I suppose would be an answer the question.
There's a better example: Strike being capable of firing a DINN's shotgun with no issue.

>>22638043
>>22638168
>and it turns out that it was Russia that became the basis of this supranational supercountry, and not Western Europe?
>But what about the “economy the size of Italy” and the “gas station with nuclear missiles”?
>I mean, where, in the context of global crises with resources and people, as well as the Third World War, did an already weak Russia have the opportunity to seize territories in Europe and the Middle East?
>Not to mention the fact that the European population would not accept Moscow's rule...
You're giving it far more thought than anyone who wrote this thing ever did.
In any case, the official databooks say that the Eurasian Federation is "EU countries + Russia" and even one published for the movie lists the capital as Brussels (首都: ブリュッセル).

>>22641457
Nah. It's a machine gun. It doesn't need a power plug. It fires bullets and doesn't need to draw power from the suit to fire like a beam rifle.

>>22641519
What about "all the necessary programming, software, and drivers installed to interface with the weapon"?

>>22641543
The hand power plug stuff was invented by the EA when they made beam rifles for MS

>>22641453
>quotes same posts people thought you were samefagging
What does this accomplish. No one cares. You lost the debate, ran away, and then came back claiming to be a different anon.

>>22641570
>and then came back claiming to be a different anon.
Because it is a different person. That's all it is.
You do not want to admit it because you are sick in the head.

>>22641493
How autistic are you people to not recognize such a lazy Ukraine war shitpost

>>22641580
In case you did not notice, people would rather disregard such /pol/tarded tangents and focus on what's important.

>>22641588
You don't disregard things by replying to them like a retard

>>22641606
You ignore the tangent and just answer the question as you wish.

>>22641453
We still noticed you havent explained how Meteor can connect to Buster and Duel. You were asked a direct question and didn't respond with an answer. Unless you admit now that Terminal was involved in upgrading Buster and Duel.

>>22641624
METEORs are a ZAFT technology, not a Terminal one.

>>22641624
>Unless you admit now that Terminal was involved in upgrading Buster and Duel.

Oh anon. Him not responding IS a concession that he gave up.

It's obvious Terminal upgraded Buster and Duel.

He can't explain the Meteor compatibility otherwise.

>>22641634
>It's obvious Terminal upgraded Buster and Duel.
>He can't explain the Meteor compatibility otherwise.
ZAFT engineers getting involved with ZAFT technology? What's so odd about that?
Get fucked, redditspacer.

>>22641636
>answering a question with a question.

Yawn

You can't answer directly can you?

It's a simple question.

Answer it.

>>22641640
It seems plebbitors really are as stupid as everyone says they are. Let me spell it out for you.
METEORS are ZAFT technology, just as the newly upgraded ZGMF-designation Duel and Buster with ZAKU controls.

>>22641634
Agreed. It's extremely unlikely that random Zaft engineers would keep Buster and Duel and then add nuclear reactors for no reason (Especially since the lore says Meteor has power issues with only 1 nuclear reactor). Zakus arent running around with nuclear reactors. Then physically modify Buster and Duel so they are compatible with Meteor. The Seed movie showed us there's a bunch of software and hardware issues that have to be sorted out when connecting external backpacks to suits. Lots of tests have to be done. They don't just auto connect like legos.

>>22641642

Are you stupid?

We are asking how and why some random ZAFT techs would add a nuclear power reactors to Buster and Duel for no reason?

Why modify the frame to accept Meteor if they aren't working WITH Terminal.

How did they modify Buster and Duel to work with the newly built Terminal Meteors with nuclear reactors and all the new software required...if they aren't working with Terminal?

Answer the question directly.

>>22641644
>It's extremely unlikely that random Zaft engineers would keep Buster and Duel and then add nuclear reactors for no reason

Because Terminal upgraded the suits.

The "resistance" is Terminal. The ZAFT branch.

It's just something Andy is in charge of now.

>>22641649
>The "resistance" is Terminal. The ZAFT branch.
Then why did they say "Resistance" instead of "Terminal", when the latter was credited for the intelligence on Lacus' location? Why nobody says anything related to Terminal in relation to Duel/Buster at any point?
You have been dodging that one simple fact during this whole thread, instead moving the goalposts like a True Ledditor and going into dumb details such as "hurr durr software derp derp".

Furthermore, why are you so obsessed with Terminal being omnipotent? Can't ZAFT even do something right without that shadowy intel group pulling the strings?

>>22641644
Duel Blitz and Lightning Buster were treated as relics and were only pulled out of Terminal storage because they needed suits to fight against the zaft coup.

>>22641656
>were only pulled out of Terminal storage
Why would Terminal have them? How did they acquire them? They were still attached to ZAFT pilots last time we saw them.

>>22641659
Terminal always had them. The last time we saw the suits on screen they were in the hands of the 3 ships alliance at the end of seed and were badly damaged.

>>22641644
>It's extremely unlikely that random Zaft engineers would keep Buster and Duel and then add nuclear reactors for no reason
It wasn't "random ZAFT engineers", >>22635790 is clear that these were commanded by Ezalia and Yuri Amalfi to use as testbeds for newer technologies.

>Zakus aren't running around with nuclear reactors.
The ZAKU prototype had a nuclear reactor. And, now that fusion power is practical, N-Jammers are not a concern anymore.

>The Seed movie showed us there's a bunch of software and hardware issues that have to be sorted out when connecting external backpacks to suits.
That was only a thing with the Proud Defender, a prototype unit with extremely advanced technology. Agnes got a new space pack for her GYAN out of... somewhere?

>>22641663
Yzak and Dearka went back to ZAFT. Why wouldn't they take their mobile suits with them? Somehow the Archangel requisitioned them, even if we don't see them at all in Destiny (yet the obsolete Skygrasper was still in the hangar)?

>>22641666
Technically the suits don't belong to them. They belong to Archangel.

>>22641677
Not anymore. Finders keepers.

>>22641664
>Ezalia and Yuri Amalfi to use as testbeds for newer technologies.
Do you have any proof of this besides the novel which already got several things wrong about the movie? Anything else?

>>22641681
Exactly. Archangel found them drifting in space. Finders keepers. Yzak and Dearkkka can take a shuttle back home to zaft

>>22641690
Oh, come on, you're just being stupid at this stage. Why would they just simply leave their mobile suits on the Archangel?

Damn I am really concerned whether Joe and Pete rebuilt these mobile suits in secret so that Clyne faction members of ZAFT could use them or whether it was Jim and Pat

>>22641703
You know, that would be more interesting than the random beamspam Fukuda is so fond of.

>>22641709
>posting this crap in a thread on page 10
Your existence brings no benefit to the world

>>22641493
Huh, according to this the Atlantic Federation controlled Alaska but in Seed it was actually populated by Eurasian forces and they self-destructed the base with the Cyclops in order to wipe out Eurasian forces and seize power within the Earth Alliance

This sounds like absolutely retarded shit they made up after the fact

>>22641694

What are they gonna do if Archangel crew refuses?

They already took Buster from Dearka twice before.

Nothing Dearka could do about it.

This isn't Gundam Unicorn where they have an emotional bond with their Gundam and can summon them with their mind.

They are just machines.

Yzak doesn't give AF about Duel. It's just a tool to him

What are they gonna do if Archangel crew refuses?

>>22641493
Also I saw people talking about Beijing and Shanghai being said to be "wiped from the map" in Destiny in previous threads and I want to point out the difference in wording here, it says that

Beijing was devastated (壊滅) - The nuance is a massive amount of damage from which it would be hard to if not impossible to recover from. But it does still exist.

Shanghai was erased (消滅) - Shanghai no longer exists, straight up no recovering from that. It was in fact "wiped from the map."

>>22641703
More like

>so anyway Jim and Pat upgraded these old suits and--

>NO FUCK YOU. IT WAS JOE AND PETE YOU LITTLE PLEBBIT FUCKER.

>what that makes no sens-

>FUCK YOU IT WAS JOE AND PETE. I WILL MURDER THIS ENTIRE THREAD OF ANYONE ARGUES WITH ME.

Duel had all it's weapons destroyed and Buster was wrecked. Why would they bother taking them back to Zaft when they'd need a massive overhaul and they'd get better suits assigned to them anyway.

>>22641741
First of all, why would the Archangel crew do that? The ship had already defected, and it's not like they had to deliver them to any allied base.
Also, Yzak and Dearka decided to help the ship willingly. Is there any point in betraying their trust by impounding their mobile suits?

>>22641767
>Why would they bother taking them back to Zaft when they'd need a massive overhaul and they'd get better suits assigned to them anyway.
Let me ask you backwards: why would they just dump the units in the Archangel and take an (Earth Alliance) shuttle back to PLANT if they could at least fly them?

>>22641776
Buster had a breached cockpit and was about to explode lmao

>>22641776
There was likely days if not months of fallout and picking up the pieces from the war it's not just Yzak and Dearka just immediately went back to Plant for Yzak's promotion and to get their Zaku's. Dearka had to have his betrayal overturned and be reinstated with Zaft, which certainly took a while. He probably had to lie low in Orb with everyone else for at least a while, in fact given he was reinstated by Durandal who wouldn't become chairman for a while after the war he almost certainly did.

>>22641782
>it's not just Yzak and Dearka just immediately went back to Plant for Yzak's promotion and to get their Zaku's
We know for a fact they went back to PLANT, despite both knowing they were at risk of getting court-martialed for defection and war crimes related to that shuttle incident.
They could've stayed as defectors in the Archangel or even the Eternal for their own safety, but didn't.

That, to me, is more farfetched than the possibility that their units were abandoned. If they are coming back, it makes more sense to go back with Gundams and all.

>>22641791
Yeah eventually, not immediately the second the ceasefire was called. Dearka and Milliaria dated for awhile, he clearly went back to Orb with them at least for a few months before going back to Plant.

>>22641747
I'm going with what the subtitles in Stargazer are saying.

>>22641776
>First of all, why would the Archangel crew do that?
Dearka already gave the Buster to the 3 ships alliance. And Yzak isn't sentimental about machines. To him they are just tools. He isn't going to waste time haggling over half destroyed mobile suits. He probably went back immediately to see if his mom and subordinates were still alive. Dearka probably went with him to answer for his crimes.

And your point is moot anyway. Even if Zaft did take the suits back, Terminal had the ability to steal almost any suit they want. They stole Gaia away from Zaft. They can easily take back Duel and Buster (or what's left of Buster was half destroyed anyway). Terminal even stole Freedom Gundam which was under the highest security possible at Zaft. It doesn't matter at the end of the day.

>>22641832
>Terminal even stole Freedom Gundam which was under the highest security possible at Zaft
Terminal did not exist on the first series.

>>22641791
>If they are coming back, it makes more sense to go back with Gundams and all.
This is just your autism affecting your brain because you don't like the idea of pilots being separated from their suits. You want them in a neat category in your mind. It bothers you.

>>22641835
Maybe not officially named yet, but all the important members were already in place like the Clyne Faction and Waltfeld's Rebels.

>>22641837
>This is just your autism affecting your brain because you don't like the idea of pilots being separated from their suits.
>You want them in a neat category in your mind. It bothers you.
Not really. That one's Fukuda, who brought those two back for the reason you just explained. They could've given them GELGOOGs in the movie; that would've been neat.
What does bother me is you people's inane insistence that Terminal was behind everything and the only one that could've possibly made the necessary upgrades, when ZAFT is much more likely.

>>22641791
Athrun literally went back to Plant three separate times without his mobile suit. They don't care about their mobile suits being by their side. Yzak and Dearka are trained Red uniform killers, and don't need to have Duel and Buster near them to fight. They can hop in any nearby mobile suit and instantly become lethal.

Main conflict in CE actually more of Human extinction rather than Natural vs Coordinators hence they need to find the solution in humanity level not using arm forces, so that is why Destiny Plan is not that bad right? But it seems only KL ever touch that subject in humanity level too they are really the only hope of mankind

>>22641863
Are you going for a new angle, Bikini-Schizo?

>>22641864
What are you talking about it has been there for so long that is why they never feel the need to focus on Natural more

>>22641851
Does zaft have ability to upgrade them? Sure. Likely to do so? Nope. They have no reason to do so. All their new suits are superior in every way. They would use a Zaku or Gelgoog if they wanted to test things. Or build a brand new unit. And even if they did, Zaft wouldn't have put nuclear reactors in them for no reason. Then ontop of that for some reason (that you can't explain) keep them in a storage cache in an old Asteroid with their nuclear reactors still installed. Terminal are the ones that have a history of stealing older mobile suits and tech from zaft, and don't mind putting nuclear reactors in things. Not sure why that bothers you do much.

>>22641870
>What are you talking about
You can't deceive me, fucking bikini-schizo. I can recognize your incomprehensible word salad a mile away.
What the fuck is "KL", for instance?

>>22641874
100%. Not to mention we now know Meteor has power and overheating issues with just 1 nuclear reactor. They need 2 reactors to better function.

>>22641875
KL is Kira and Lacus for short what are you ruining discussion always even Bikini schizo or who as long as they don't say bullshit then discussion is allowed why are you being defensive for no reason?

>>22641881
>KL is Kira and Lacus for short
You couldn't even be bothered to type that the first time around? And, worse, expect people to understand you?

>as long as they don't say bullshit then discussion is allowed
But you are saying bullshit, actually. YOU ARE NOT MAKING SENSE. WRITE IN ENGLISH.

>>22641884
>I don't like what he wants to discuss so let's call him Bikini schizo

What are you so defensive about?

>>22641886
Actually, I would really like to discuss what you want to discuss.
If I can comprehend what it is being said, that is.

Do you realize that the things you write are difficult to understand?

>>22641874
He has yet to explain how Duel and Buster magically work with Meteor. We know Impulse Spec II was possibly modified by Orb and Erica to work with Meteor. But no explanation regarding Duel and Buster. They aren't even Zaft units. They are EA units.

>>22641893
>They aren't even Zaft units. They are EA units.
They are ZAFT units now, after being overhauled with ZAKU cockpits and receiving "ZGMF" designations.

>>22641890
Simply the conflict of CE is actually not about Coordinator vs Natural but Human extinction, that is why Fukuda doesn't focus so much about Natural because real conflict is more in humanity level rather than using arm forces to force the idea that is why Destiny Plan is not bad and Durandal actually find best solution for humanity so far, but among the characters only Kira and Lacus ever thought about this, that is why they are the only hope for mankind

I tried my best to explain I hope to know what do you think

I will spell out to you spergs, that the ZAFT affiliated elements of Terminal, and the Clyne affiliated elements of ZAFT (and the ZAFT part of COMPASS), ARE THE SAME FUCKING FACTION ANYWAYS.

>>22641906
>ARE THE SAME FUCKING FACTION ANYWAYS.
We told him this last thread. He still refuses to accept it. Anon wants to believe there are many different factions with zero crossover at all.

>>22641906
>>22641917
Why do you reply to yourself?

>>22641905
>but among the characters only Kira and Lacus ever thought about this, that is why they are the only hope for mankind
This is not a good thing. Compare and contrast this with Char's Counterattack. In CCA, it was the collective will of humankind that pushed Axis away. The CE, in contrast, doesn't look beyond Kira and Lacus, who are the only "good people" in the whole setting. Everyone hates each other on a visceral basis, and a world that had to depend on a handful of people to push them off the brink (rather than looking for coexistence by themselves) is doomed.

>>22641930
Stop it. This makes you look weak. No one else is agreeing with you. Just walk away.


Anonymous

>>22631903
He'd live in an old decommissioned colony away from the conflict

>>22631903
Tekkadan. He lives in the desert and uses a hammer.

>>22631940
RETURN THE MARK II OR SUFFER MY CURSE

Reminder Eustace is a newtype
He blew up Di Lungs car with his mind

https://youtu.be/j0mtS0VTvRk?si=qv0<wbr>pmeuI5dVL1Sps

>>22635023

This show was seriously underrated.


Post homage characters, the more obscure, the better.

>>22632811
I don't know. Whats Kikaioh with you?

>>22633220
IIRC, this game even has Akira Kamiya as not-Ryoma and Shuichi Ikeda as not-Char.


I HATE CYBER-NEWTYPES I HATE CYBER-NEWTYPES I HATE CYBER-NEWTYPES I HATE CYBER-NEWTYPES I HATE CYBER-NEWTYPES I HATE CYBER-NEWTYPES I HATE CYBER-NEWTYPES I HATE CYBER-NEWTYPES I HATE CYBER-NEWTYPES I HATE CYBER-NEWTYPES I HATE CYBER-NEWTYPES

>>22633258
>nearly every time a cyber newtype shows up they're killed off
I guess it's you and Gundam both, anon.

>>22633295
How did Kyouka Ningen get translated to cyber newtype anyway?

>>22633302
They don't even get cyborg implants or anything
dumb name all around

>>22633258
Are cyber newtypes an analogy for autism or an analogy for BPD/pick me girls?

>>22633309
Was autism well known in the 1980's?

>>22633302
The same way Chikyu Renpo got translated to EFF. Someone had to like it enough to make it official even if it means AEUG makes no sense.

But you'll never make a newtype out of me!

>>22633313
I'm sure some people knew about it, but it probably wasn't well known. Maybe Tomino is just a visionary.

>>22633302
Tomino probably thought it sounded cool and like the Terminator.

>>22633313
They just thought it was a synonym for "hikikomori" back then.

This OVA seriously ends with the plot resolved by hugging naked chicks in the cockpit of a rainbow Gundam. It's literally Demolition D's criticism of Rebuild of Evangelion.

>>22636141
>Demolition D's criticism of Rebuild of Evangelion.
Who cares about some fat e-celeb retard?


i hate how they kill the coolest guy in the show. like damn i was like YES HE'S GONNA MAKE IT HES GONNA MAKE IT then he dies and im just like FUCK YOU WERE 2-3 EPISODES AWAY FUCK

>>22632384
What do you mean? Harry never dies.

>>22632380
When you stop having shit taste.

at least its better than the lesbian of mercury

>>22632380
It's a 10/10 show until the same arc begins but the ending is sad af


>designs the gundam, the mobile suit that wins battles and eventually the war
>motivated to stop young people like his son being thrust into war
>final fate is going mad from hypoxia, abandoned by his son and dying from falling down the stairs
>his circuit from when he went mad is a joke item nearly every time it appears

Why did the they hate Tem Ray so much?

Life just sucks sometimes and bad things happen to nominally good people for no real reason.

>>22633293
>his circuit from when he went mad is a joke item nearly every time it appears
Except in IIRC SRW Z where it gives zero repair cost, and in SRW 30 where it not only gives stat boosts on par with Haro but is in said game's canon revealed to be the direct precursor to the Hi-Nu Gundam's perfected psycoframe control circuit. That floating T? Not T for Tomino; but T for Tem.

>>22633293
He looks like M'Quve's long lost brother.

>>22633293
It's less of hatred and more the cruelty of fate.
Tem could not help being caught in the blast that threw him into the void, nor could he save himself from permanent brain damage or from only being able to make junk following his brush with death. That is the occasional and unfortunate nature of life and the cruel fate bestowed to him and his son, as well as his own wife whom we can presume likely never saw him again, not to mention Amuro who became completely alienated from her.
The great tragedy of the Rays is that the war, alone, completely and irrevocably destroyed the Ray family, but ironically it did so without actually killing a single one.

He died from the staircase scene? I thought he was just idk out of it at that point

>>22633293
he had noble motivations but he was still a horrible dad

>>22633357
>The great tragedy of the Rays is that the war, alone, completely and irrevocably destroyed the Ray family, but ironically it did so without actually killing a single one.
Fuck...

>>22633369
Left ambiguous. Sad ending either way.
It seemed like Amuro had no intention of seeing him again.

I like to imagine that after the war Amuro uses his money to have his father put into a good home where he visits every once in a while to hear his dad ramble about his next 'invention'

There's a bunch of famous inventors and art innovators who died as reclusive laughing stocks, not really far fetched

>>22633369
I always thought the scene was a joke but that's his last chronological appearance ever, I think the implication is there

>>22633917
>his money
He didn't have enough money for the fruit basket he wanted. There's no way he could afford a plush retirement home.

Also didn't he die from the fall.

>>22633386
Removing Yas headcanon out of the equation, what was terrible about him?

>>22633293
It is a miracle it even works.

>>22634408
Even though he's under house arrest in Zeta, I assumed the Federation gave Amuro whatever he wanted just to shut him up
I could believe he probably asked for them to send money to his mom or something

>>22633386
>he had noble motivations but he was still a horrible dad

So your typically Japanese Father

Imagine Amuro's face when he got his first kill and the console in his mobile blew tf up all:
>NINJA KILL
>FATALITY
>DOUBLE KILL
>MULTI KILL
>KILLAMANJARO
>PATRICIDE


>>22633271
Mother's day already ended though


>>22633726
Everyone in 0079 is a better written character than this cringe cuck retard

>>22633752
BASED MATURE CURVES AND LARGE ASS ENJOYER!!