Code Geass has one of the few Amuro clones and it's the funniest fucking one because it shows why Amuro doesn't have clones like Char.

shut the fuck up retard<br>kill yourself

>>22625752
>why Amuro doesn't have clones like Char.
You could argue that Kira is an Amuro clone.

>>22625752
What do you guys consider an Amuro clone? I personally think they have to have been an average kid who were forced to become a soldier for one reason or another. Uso, Banana, and Kira I think qualify as Amuro clones.

>>22626898
Purely from visual point I consider Conrad from Fire Emblem Echoes to be one. But it's some really advanced Gundam fuckery going on.
>we have a guy who looks like Char
>let's also add a guy who resembles Amuro...and give him a mask!

Aside from roughly fitting the "boy hero" type I'm not seeing very much common between the two. Suzaku:
>willingly joins the military
>has some bullshit big ideal he fights for
>struggles against the racism of the system considering him inferior
Amuro is opposite on like all of these. He hated having to fight in the Gundam, really never developed any massive ideology he fought for even by CCA and was either celebrated or feared because of his amazing skills and Newtype potential.

This is why americans shouldn't be allowed to visit this board.

>>22626456
Kira starts as an Amuro clone, but turns into a Kamille clone over time.

>>22626898
Amuro is the prototypal unwilling soldier thrust into a role he has to fulfill, initially doesn't want to; but ultimately resolves himself to play the part that is needed of him. And that remains a constant into CCA where really, he still doesn't have any ideals of his own and simply contiues fighting because that's what others ask of him.

Suzaku is not an Amuro clone, because he voluntarily joined the army and is every bit willing to fight for his idals.

Unironically Evangelion's Shinji Ikari is more of an Amuro clone than Suzaku.

>>22626958
>has some bullshit big ideal he fights for
Suzaku does not have this though. It's just a lie he tells himself and his enemies. That's why he's willing to betray his supposed ideals when push comes to shove
The racism thing was also completely meaningless and fake since he was immediately given Britannia's super prototype, was not only allowed near one of the Emperor's daughters but was even allowed to have a romance with her, and he ultimately ended up receiving the highest honors for his service.

>>22625752
Suzaku was more a stereotypical Gundam protag than Amuro clone

>fights on the side he has issues with
>unbeatable in his mecha
>fights for a princess

He didn't fit with everything, but neither did Lelouch with Char. But yeah, the base gimmick of CG was a Gundam show from Char's POV, and Suzaku was his designated thorn in the side.

>>22627117
Yeah- he does.
SEED Kira is Amuro
SEED Destiny Kira is Kamille.

>>22625752
He is like Shinn Asuka for betraying his homeland and killing lots of his brethren, and their mech having both nice sword and nice cannon, wing of light. Shinn is Earthling but honorary Zaft alien.

>>22625752
You do not have enough experience with analyzing storytelling if you think Amuro could have clones.
Amuro isn't unique enough to have clones. He's based on a very timeless archetypal hero character.

>>22627202
Nobody sane has watched enough of Destiny to know what Kira is like there.

>>22626456
He starts as one, but turns into something else entirely when he wakes at Lacus' place after getting blown up by Athrun.

>>22626456
>>22628433
The main difference between Kira and Amuro is that Amuro isn't given the same level of agency and introspection given to Kira. He isn't a "hero" the way Kira is.
Kira's motivation is ideological in SEED, and he plays an active role in shaping the world.
In Mobile Suit Gundam Amuro is just one small part of a much larger world and ultimately his actions alone don't influence much.
He isn't that outspoken when it comes to having a strong opinion on the underlying issues that lead to the conflict, he just wants to survive it.

Suzaku is actually closer to being a Kira clone if anything. Since both Kira and Suzaku were more concerned about the societal conditions that lead to the war in the first place. Also their relation to Athrun/Lelouch is a similar driving factor that creates a lot of tension and didn't exist in MSG.

Amuro in CCA is a different character though, he has a much more fleshed out stance on stuff and plays a huge role in driving the story there.

I'm not sure how much Tomino was trying to self-insert with Amuro, but another point that I think is interesting is Amuro's indifference towards the ideals behind the conflict and just choosing the most practical route also seems close to how Tomino himself thinks about these things.

>>22628467
>Kira's motivation is ideological in SEED
Is it? He just does whatever "the plot" or, rather, Lacus tells him to do, no questions asked.

>he plays an active role in shaping the world.
This isn't a good thing.

>Suzaku is actually closer to being a Kira clone if anything. Since both Kira and Suzaku were more concerned about the societal conditions that lead to the war in the first place.
At least at first, Suzaku is in it to atone for his father's sins.

>>22628467
Amuro is pragmatic in CCA as well, which is why he goes for gunning down Char during their fist fight.
It is Char who remains a prideful romantic and wants a fair fight between them. Amuro just wants to stop his enemy.

>>22628488
>Is it? He just does whatever "the plot" or, rather, Lacus tells him to do, no questions asked.
Yes, when Kira develops his "no lethal hits" fighting technique that's his ideology in action. Very unlike Amuro in MSG.

>This isn't a good thing.
This is subjective, all I'm saying is it separates him from Amuro. Kira's character is like Luke Skywalker or Peter Parker in that sense.

>amuro clone
>guy w/ brown hair and a white shirt
people are such fucking retards

>>22628488
>when Kira develops his "no lethal hits" fighting technique that's his ideology in action.
Is it an ideology, though? There was this argument on a different thread that Kira's shtick is less of an worldview, and more of a cool-looking power fantasy. "i don't kill my enemies... unless they are more powerful" defeats any possible message.

>>22629370
The movie shuts this theory down hard.

Kira is better than suzaku and amuro because he has canonically had sex multiple times in animated (see:official) materials and lives a long happy life.<br>Unlike amuro who dies pathetically humping a chair and Suzaku who exists as his mortal enemy. I can see MSF trivializing Axis with the disruptor. Literally making it smaller piece by piece like a birthday cake

I hate this artsyle<br>All the characters look like faggots

>>22629402
Seems I've touched a nerve. Does your ass still hurt from the pounding your boyfriend gave you?

>>22629382
>The movie shuts this theory down hard.
What? The movie only serves as confirmation. Kira outright says they can't "protect" anything, and the only solution to his conundrum is to get a more powerful MS with which to kill a powerful foe.
He even says outright he doesn't care about the peace of the world as anything but a way to make Lacus happy.

>>22629399
Even without that art style, Code Geass is still full of faggots. Lelouch and Suzaku are two gayest bitches in mecha, some dick in their asses would've calmed them down and prevented everything they did.

>>22629370
>Is it an ideology, though?
Yes, what you're saying is true too, it is a power fantasy for the viewer, but I think our communication is getting mixed up.
I'm speaking of what exists in Kira's head, how he views the world and how that shows up in his actions.
He choses that nonlethal route because he has the power too, and because he wants to fight in his own way because he hates the war and has no ill will towards Naturals or Coordinators and believes that humanity can be better. By the end of the show when he's fighting Rau they basically have a debate with each other where they spout their ideals and Kira says this.

Kira is treated as a "great man", by the writers and within the narrative he recognizes his power and ability to shift the world. He is willing to kill people that get in the way of the world he wants to create.

Code Geass really drops the ball in second season desu

>>22629620
>I'm speaking of what exists in Kira's head, how he views the world and how that shows up in his actions.
The only thing that goes in Kira's head (at least by the time the movie takes place, but I'd argue long before) is to make Lacus happy. It's all a means to an end.

>believes that humanity can be better. By the end of the show when he's fighting Rau they basically have a debate with each other where they spout their ideals and Kira says this.
A debate that Kira loses. Or rather, it's proven incorrect in practice by the way the world has gone to shit and the only thing he can do is intervene with force here and there.

>He is willing to kill people that get in the way of the world he wants to create.
And how that makes him better than would-be tyrants like Durandal or the Accords?

>>22631107
You are misinterpreting how I'm speaking about this again.

I'm not defending Kira or saying whether his way of thinking is correct or not. That isn't the discussion I'm trying to have. I'm just breaking down the components of his character to show how they contrast with Amuro, I'm not making any value judgements.

>>22631185
Fuck off, Duel. Could you at least use another set of pictures?

>>22631177
>That isn't the discussion I'm trying to have.
>I'm not making any value judgements.
Fucking coward.

>I'm just breaking down the components of his character to show how they contrast with Amuro
What's the point of saying anything, then? It's a waste of time.
You could've just left it at "although there are some superficial similarities between them, these are different characters from different stories with different motivations", which does not say anything at all.
You could've made the same sort of character breakdown to, for instance, compare Zechs, Luin and Zeheart, which have plenty of differences among them despite being lumped together as "Char clones".

>>22631211
It seems that you completely misunderstood the tone of my posts and got yourself worked up over this.

>What's the point of saying anything, then?
One of the original posts I replied to "22626456" argued Kira was an Amuro clone.
I reply with why that isn't the case because there are some key differences between the two characters.
You want to have a completely different discussion which seems to boil down to "Why I think Kira is bad" which is fine, but once again that is not the conversation I was starting.

>>22631223
No, I understood you correctly.
>One of the original posts I replied to "22626456" argued Kira was an Amuro clone.
>I reply with why that isn't the case because there are some key differences between the two characters.
Likewise, you can use the exact same logic to argue against the "Char Clone" thing altogether, since most of the characters are a described as such have the same sort of key differences between Kira and Amuro, sharing little other than "antagonist with a silly mask".

>You want to have a completely different discussion which seems to boil down to "Why I think Kira is bad" which is fine,
I could also have another discussion: "why Amuro isn't an interesting character, and the real protagonist of Mobile Suit Gundam is the RX-78, with Amuro relegated to 'that one kid that pilots it'".
Any of those would be a better use of anyone's time than pointing out the obvious.

>>22627313
You're wrong on more accounts than OP, dipshit. Shut your dumb faggot ass up.

>>22631185
Than how come it's not a part of your infamous rec chart?

>>22631297
I'll say overall code geass is a 6/10. Because it's fun and entertaining to watch at least. I'm being very generous with the series here.

>>22631313
What would you score code geass overall?

>>22631322
I don't understand why won't he switch it up or get new material? Why leave such obvious tracks? I don't get it. He's literally signing his own posts in broad daylight. Why pretend like it's obviously not him?

>>22625752
You are the dumbest asshole on this board.

>>22625752
Suzaku and Amuro are nothing alike aside from being super Ace pilots and even then they differ greatly.

Amuro got bodied in early 0079 only kept alive by the gundams armor till about the Ral fight, he's a soldier who wants to limit damage and keep people alive but had no greater goals nor does he have any deep-seated self loathing.

Suzaku is an instant ace in the Lancelot able to fight on even ground with skilled enemy pilots like Toudou and Kallen in no time flat. He wants to fix the system from within or rather that's his cover for his death seeking (kinda makes me think of that popular interpretation of Char trying to use Axis to get a final duel with Amuro) he only really has brown hair and Ace status in line with Amuro

Kira initially begins as a clone of Amuro for a new audience, but he develops/degenerates over time, while Suzaku is a subversion of what Kira became, rather than what he started as.


Anonymous

>Virgin pre-cancelation Adventure
>Mimi wore lipstick, but never got tied up nor gagged. Instead, Matt-who already got tied up as early as episode 3-not only got mummified but otn gagged.
>The Ishida brothers digimon fused with anyone but each other.
>Half of the digidestineds digimon never achieved their megas.

>Chad post-cancelation Adventure
>In 2020, Mimi finally got tied up.
>In Tri, Omnimon Merciful Mode covers every combination of any two OG Adventure digidestined digimon which was what we wanted in the first place.
>In both, the OG digidestind's digimon achieved their megas. Biyomon, Palmon, and Tentomon all got the right ones.

And you people call me the flat earther? Also, Digimon thread. Inb4 not /m/, make up your minds.

>>22626302
>dubfag
>coomer
>"cancelation"
>outdated meme that was never good used in the wrong way
>contrarian opinion
At least you're trying harder than shitting on Zeta or whatever passes for trolling these days.

>>22626302
The issue with Adventure 2020 is that it tries to recapture the lightning-in-a-bottle that was the original Digimon 20 years too late. You can't evoke that wonder and fear (in the case of Tamers) about technology anymore, so all you can do is take the original show, add in more lore, and alter it to modern shounen sensibilities.

Digimon fags were always a special kind of autistic

>>22627741
You'd be broken too if Angela Anaconda destroyed your parent's marriage

>>22627660
Also the original Digimon Adventure suffered from having way too many main characters as is, the reboot only slightly fixed this by not having them as one big group most of the time.

>>22627807
yeah but Angela didn't cause op's parents to divorce
op did that himself by being a faggot

>>22627660
>so all you can do is take the original show, add in more lore, and alter it to modern shounen sensibilities.
Agreed. Still it was decent...at times.

>>22628963
Yeah, I agree. Some of the stuff in Adventure 2020 was cool, but it will never live up to the original.

>>22627660
>You can't evoke that wonder and fear (in the case of Tamers) about technology anymore
Yeah because we totally aren't having a technological revolution with AI right now complete with crazy fearmongering about playing god just like in the Y2K days.


>>22623708
>>22623709
The rare double best post

>>22624144
Mindblown. I finished XC2 years before watching any gundam so only now I thought about the parallels. Thank you.

>>22623708
>>22623709
Alright, we're done here. Everyone go home.

Brain Powerd has the Char role cut into three characters (Jonathan, Quincy and Baron) and they all subvert a little the role.

But Baron is the most original to me

>>22623658
Does he count?
>Multiple secret identity close to another character
>sibling issues
>tragic backstory after losing his family
>Undercovered identity has glasses
>Does a cool swordfight at one point against the protagonist
>Often use giant robots

"char clones"<br>have being detrimental to the franchise as a whole, imagine if other series would dump some watered down archtype or whatever in every of its shows

Here's a question. How would you make a Char Clone that hasn't been done before? Speaking strictly in appearance.
So far
>sunglasses
>ninja mask
>half face helmet
>full face helmet
>cyber eyes
>Samurai mask
>Venetian Carnival mask

Have all been done.
I think a Char Clone with a breathing mask due to the fact their so used to living in space and can't handle Earth's polluted air would be kind of a neat concept.

>>22623658
Daba from L-Gaim. Mask optional.
His backstory overlaps, has to train to be as good as he is (unlike most newtype protagonists), drowns in pussy but does not take advantage of it. Fights to free oppressed people.
Since he's the main character in his show, he not only gets revenege but also wins the war.

>>22625816
"mask" that is really just a huge, permanent burn scar covering the top half of his face

>>22625905
Burn on the top of your face would make you blind. Tho a blind newtype char clone that uses newtype magic to see instead of cybernetics is kinda cool.

>>22625816
Gundam that takes place in a virtual world with the char clone having a hood that hides his face or a digital glitched face.

>>22625922
>blind newtype char clone that uses newtype magic to see
Crossbone Gundam did this

>>22626566
Also my favorite Char clone to answer OP's question.

>>22626566
The more I read about crossbone the more I NEEED it to be an anime

>>22623658
clone char
>>22625816
>How would you make a Char Clone that hasn't been done before?
easy we just clone him

>>22625507
>Yaoi lovechild of Griffith and David Bowie

>>22626631
>easy we just clone him
<s>Haven't they literally done this already, or am I misremembering?</s>

>>22624144
Not remotely a Char clone. Jin has loved ones and friends that he is willing to put above his ideals.

>>22632588
Anon that's <s>a woman</s>
Fucking hilarious voice though

>>22625816
>I think a Char Clone with a breathing mask due to the fact their so used to living in space and can't handle Earth's polluted air would be kind of a neat concept.
Isn’t that what Chronicle is?

>>22625816
An AI Char whose “mask” is the android body it uses to keep up appearances.

>>22632624
I thought that was allergies.

>>22632693
Pretty much, but then he's called out on still wearing it when on a space ship, so he's just a fucking weirdo.

Turns out Mineva isn't a Char clone persay.

>>22633005
The Shadow of Haman hangs heavily over Mineva's soul.

>>22633009
Banagher will forever bottom in bed. RIP sore demo.

>>22633005
>>22633011
She's not even the only Haman clone


You for leaving whatever containment board you crawled out of.

Kamille, he actually got diagnosed.
Shinn just speedruns Kamille's family loss before the first Destiny episode.
SNEED freedom now depicts Shinn as either too simple to actually think during battle or so strong he unlocks ultra instinct and doesn't need to think.
Not very autistic in either case.

>>22625811
>accuse others of what you are guilty of
Nice try. Go back

>>22625818
>get called out
>deflect
no u

>>22625802
I'm watching destiny for the first time and honestly Shinn's character just consists of flash backs with no development. Everytime Shinn has a scene regardless of the context he has a flash back to losing his family and he never talks about it any other characters or has any progress.
Atleast Kamille was getting consistently mind fucked by cyber newtype psyops and woman bullshittery in the Argama. That scene before the gryps war where Kamille has his final talk with Fa shows he overcame his autism.

>>22625815
>Kamille, he actually got diagnosed.
He didn't even say he was autistic, he used a specific wording to call himself closed-off
and even then he was just bullshitting because he didn't want to take responsibility for his behavior, he was using it the way a modern teenager on the internet would use depression to justify bad behavior

>>22625836
That's literally what you are doing rn with that no u
Lmao

>>22625802
Is Kamille Earthling or Alien?

>>22625802
You
Leave kamille the fuck alone

>>22625802
Kamille by far the first couple of episodes of zeta is behaviour is straight-up insane

>>22625802
Both are pretty autistic. Kamille has obsessive habits while Shinn can't read other people's emotions well. Though Kamille had far stronger responses for the smallest things. Shinn usually just blurts out what he's thinking.

Kamille
>is so insecure about his name he assaults a military officer for a minor joke, gets into a real fight with a whole team of them
>steals a military vehicle so he can personally torture an officer who was a bit of a dick to him by firing massive bullets at him, which we know from F91 can shed casings heavy enough to kill people on impact, laughs maniacally while he's doing so
>joins a terrorist organization because he's such a delinquent he found himself in a situation it's better to do that than to stay around and get executed for being a massive dickwad

Shinn
>traumatized because he saw his parents and sister explode into meat globs in front of him
>joined military so he can exact his revenge against the abstract idea of conflict and war that killed his family symbolized by the MS he happened to see at the time

Kamille might develop/grow up better than Shinn does over the course of his show, but there's no contest as to who's more autistic with their initial traumas/neuroses.

>>22625912
He is autistic, it's just that most japanese in the 80s didn't fully understand what autism was.

>>22626950
It's true he used the word for autistic but in the context of the conversation it doesn't really matter what he called himself. The whole point of the conversation was him avoiding responsibility. The conversation happens right after Kamille gets his ass beat by Wong and it basically went:
>Kamille: I should be respected, I'm a badass ace and the Argama owes me
>Emma: It's because you act like that you get your ass kicked, people like Wong are thinking of the big picture
>Kamille: I wouldn't understand that, I guess I'm just an autistic kid
>Emma: Stop changing between being an adult and child as it suits you
He could've called himself a retarded child and it would've been the same kind of conversation.

>>22626950
You literally can't be an autist and be a functioning Newtype at the same time. Newtypes are empaths while a mainstay hallmark indicator of autism is failure to process and recognize emotional response. The two are completely at odds.

>>22626950
If I recall the novels use the outdated "Refrigerator Mother" theory.

>>22627037
That's not necessarily true. I can imagine a situation where someone on the spectrum also gains the empathic abilities of a Newtype insofar as they can feel the emotions of others directly. At that point it's a question of, does it make it so that their Newtype powers pretty much override their usual shortcomings in that area, or would they be able to feel the emotions of others but still have a hard time processing it?

>>22627037
>process and recognize emotional response
You don't get it. Being a newtype is not about processing and recognizing. Oldtype's like you never get it.

>>22625802
The one who impeded the heroes from trying to stop a city destroying mass murderer. Also, the one who walked up to his comrade and about killing said comrade's best friend. Fucker.

Watch out before the one Zeta hater gets in here calling everyone retarded Zundam Gundumbs.

>>22632547
That's Zetarager or his underage cheer leading gf. Yes, there's or WAS a femanon on /m/ that posts the same dumb posts as he does. There's only two fags on /m/ & /a/ that consistency says that unfunny "gundumb" bullshit.

>>22632690
If it's the same person I'm thinking of, remember it being some tryhard passoid named AkumatsuT otherwise we got a few of those trying to force a dumb meme.

>>22632705
>AkumatsuT
Tha fuck? This is new to me.

>otherwise we got a few of those trying to force a dumb meme.
All because of a obnoxious shit poster. Imagine taking any influence from a disgusting unwanted zealot.

>>22630767
>Also, the one who walked up to his comrade and about killing said comrade's best friend.

That was really the most confusing thing. Yes Talia and Rey were correct that they had legal reason to take Kira down and Athrun had to accept that, but Shinn knew he and Freedom's pilot were pals and knew Athrun didn't approve of them trying to take him out, so going up to an obviously upset Athrun and going "I just killed your buddy, praise me!" is autistic blindness of the highest caliber. What did he expect would happen? At absolute best Athrun would just keep his mouth shut and begrudgingly accept Kira as a sacrifice for world peace but he'd never outright be happy they killed him

>>22632724
Yeah, that particular one would like to brag about trolling up /m/ and /a/ and her style was pretty idiosyncratic. Sometimes she would almost hold a conversation when not shitting on others' interests to be some low-effort troll.
But if she's one of Zetarager's clones, it's all the lamer.

>>22632734
>Sometimes she would almost hold a conversation when not shitting on others' interests to be some low-effort troll.
>But if she's one of Zetarager's clones, it's all the lamer.
Ok, i know who you're referring to, now. I didn't know she was named "Akumatsu T". Yeah, she goes around this site shitting or being weirdly hyper critical on other people's taste. Saying dumb shit like "only a X or Y would like that garbage" or something to that effect. Like you said a bit, she's also really terrible or incapable of holding up a discussion or coming up with an intelligible counter argument without making an ass out of herself.

>>22632744
It's real pathetic, don't get why people like that like to brag about "TROLLING 4CHAN" especially when some /m/ type spaces are so limited and you can recognize their style and opinions right away. At least be a tripfag if you're going to be that attentionseeking.

>>22632751
>don't get why people like that like to brag about "TROLLING 4CHAN"
No life losers with very limited social interaction in real life. For once, THEY themselves get to be the bully. They get a kick out of it because they're boring, quiet unsociable losers in the real world. Online, they can be someone they are not or wish they were. Cowards, is what these individuals are.


>Gundam had a female MC
><s>new Geass</s> has a female MC
Will Sunrise/Bamco's Macross also have a female MC?

why is weston so obsessed with whether a character is female or not

>>22626701
I thought back then that Freya will be the main protagonist, and also the second pilot/singer after Basara.

>>22626701
Otome Macross seems like the next logical step.
MC is an Idol girl and her two love interests are a pilot and some civilian.

>>22626701
Isn't the twin the new MC of new code geass?

>>22626735
<s>She's a girl with a wig and a voice changer.</s>

Main character will be a pilot and an idol, but she will have an idol persona like a V-Tuber. A guy will fall for her normal pilot self and a girl will fall for her V-Tuber persona.

>female pilots
>boy band
Nothing's wrong with it

>>22626701
Of course. It will basically be Symphogear for G-Witch stans.

>>22626732
Complete fucking gremlin and first time that someone that's both the younger option and an idol has won in the most one-sided stomping ever.
Best I can do.

>>22626733
>Otome Macross
That's be stupid. Full on modern western entertainment levels of stupid.

Macross has an established fanbase. People have an idea of what to expect out of Macross. You don't take a male-oriented franchise (will always be the biggest consumers of media, BTW; people need to stop acting like there are no markets or skills where men dominate) and aim it at women.

>>22626815
What you're telling me is it needs to be yuri or have a shota love interest, because that's honestly what every franchise for guys that makes a female led work does.

Female pilots/singers?

I would kinda want Mylene and/or Emilia to show up.

>>22626845
I wouldn't call him a trend chaser, but Macross adapts to the times. It went from Akina Nakamori and Seiko Matsuda etc. style idols with Minmay to 90's rock bands like Laruku or X with Fire Bomber to cool assertive pop stars like Amuro Namie with Sheryl to an idol unit with Walkure. I'm fearing he might do V-Tubers with the next Macross.

>>22626854
Didn't Plus sort of do that already

>>22626864
No, that was a Vocaloid. A V-Tuber is still a person, but it's still just someone with an anime character "filter."

>>22626854
>I'm fearing he might do V-Tubers with the next Macross.
Normally I hate all things V-tuber, but I would be oddly okay with that in macross if executed well.
>pilot chick
>Goes home is a v-tuber idol
Since this is macross set up a shitty love triangle with a guy who loves the pilot and another guy who loves her v-tuber form.

>>22626865
I mean the very first vtubers were playing characters, you had Kizuna Ai was was pretending to literally be an AI. Most of her content wasn't streams either. People quickly got lazy after that and just started being normal streamers with anime avatars and half-assed backstories.

>>22626701
Every shonen media with a female MC always ends up being the worst series in the franchise. What does that tell Sunrise?

>>22626865
Still needed to borrow a person to function.

>>22626786
>>22626789
The rebel leader is a princess! She betrayed her own knights for a new world order! WHAT!?

On a different note, Zettai Live felt like a stinger for this next Macross the whole time. I can see Siren being the show's protagonist, who trains to become an ace fighter pilot but would later discover her singing voice after a chance meeting with Walküre's new generation. While this would shock Mirage that her daughter figure would discover what would be the end of her, Siren will persevere regardless to fight for the world while balancing both her dogfighting and singing careers, though I can see them go the Plus angle with the love triangle having her being competed by two other boys.

>>22626854
It will be a K-pop <s>boys</s> band. With an internal love triangle.

>>22626701
The future is female, but only if it's a hot lesbian female who will do it with other hot lesbian females. That's the rule, I don't make them up.

Star Wars: straight female who kisses mask guy -- widely hated.
GWitch: cute oblivious turbo dyke dating some big titty girl in stockings -- troons coming out of the woodworks to say how great the show it is.

>>22627308
>cute oblivious turbo dyke dating some big titty girl in stockings
Damn this gbitch fanfic sounds cool, where can I read it?

>>22626815
otome macross was 7 you idiot

>>22626854
>I'm fearing he might do V-Tubers with the next Macross.
I don't see the issue with this

>>22626701
Thanks for the spoilers, faggot

>>22626854
Vtubers are just the next logical step from idols

>>22626733
>otome macross
Throwing my money at the screen right now

>>22626815
Who cares, so long as it has planes, aliens, and a shitty love dodecahedron going on it really doesn't matter whether it's two third female or 11 twelths male.

>>22626806
>the younger option
You know by her race's standard she's actually a christmas cake here.

>>22626854
>might do V-Tubers with the next Macross
Why the hell not
You know how the idols in Macross wear an hologram suit and has extensive hologram overlaid on their person to produce their outfits? Why not take that further and have it project an entire avatar over the person?

>>22626732
I wonder how future projects will handle Delta if it gets referenced at all. You know on account of Freya being dead and all after the movie.

Macross Delta Movie 2 Zettai Live!!! (BDRip 1080p HEVC QAAC) [CD7620AF].mkv_snapshot_01.57.05_[2024.05.11_20.42.23].jpg

>>22626701
Is Bandai a part of the production committee for Macross?

>>22628114
Next Macross is a direct sequel to Zettai Live, I swear.

>>22628185
I don't think they would have done the whole farewell tour for walkure if that were the case

>>22628114
I survive with the TV timeline cope. Even if it was a ballsy move and a super sweet farewell scene.
And further proof of the fact that I wish they'd go with more straight-up romances than just forever unresolved love triangles. You can get different types of drama out of it.
>>22627835
I'm still not entirely sure how ages work there. Not helped by anime always being weird but she does strike me as closer to her chronological age of 15 than her species-timeline relative lifespan of like, 40.

>>22627308
only because Mouse Wars chickened out on doing serious Reylo. Fujos were not at all satisfied.

>>22627308
>Big titty girl in stockings
Miorine is flat as a fucking board, anon.

>>22626822
The girl is a military brat NUNS pilot.
The boy heads a punk rock band with a bit of a beef against the NUN.

The love triangle kicks off when one day someone decides to graffiti MC girl's plane with "this machine kills [for] fascists."

>>22626701
Did Studio Nue shut down? I hope that the new show comes out by the end of the year.

>>22632326
Studio Nue isn’t an animation studio. It’s Miyatake drawing shit.

>>22628114
>handle Delta if it gets referenced at all
The same way it handles references to other series.
>There was the incident with the Winderemereans that a strategic sound unit, Walkure, was deployed to deal with, one of the members of Walkure was a Winderemerean herself.
They never go into the details.

>>22626701
Next Macross will be a vtuber related Macross. Kawamori loves Vtubers, inb4 it's Macross x Hololive and we get some rap battle. We've already started to move to that direction with Zettai live with Ai beings. Macross always follows music trends.

>>22626761
Backing this up

>>22626701
MC is a pilot fighting threat X,
Love interest is nerdy girl working for seedy organisation to stop threat but uses a Vtuber persona to do the singing.
Rival Love interest is the goverment issued Idol

No matter what it is. There wont be any full sized Meltrandi. Pisses me off every time. Buncha cowards!


The fights were really fun this ep. Enjoyed the wire-fu.

>>22626895
The only saving grace of this overall boring episode.

>>22626943
Yes, she really wants Boondorio to be her little brother.

[Over-Time] Cranked-Up Sentai Boonboomger - 11 [B53C9035].mkv_snapshot_23.26.104.jpg

Mira's "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" is underrated.

>>22626895
and they FINALLY did the Boukenger thing and for once used the environment to activate the changers rather than their normal run it along the arm or whatever motion they've normally been using.

Where is Yarucar even trying to go after he sucks the gyasoline?

>>22627471
I've been waiting for that since we found out that was how the changers work. Always cool.

>>22627107
if we assume it's one of the original batch it's looking great for 16 years

>>22627489
I would assume he's trying to deliver it to the "boss."

The new general talked about how the gang hasn't gotten any gyasoline from Earth yet, the team keeps knocking him off the interstellar highway before he can get there.

>>22626895
NabeJun both directed the main part of the episode as well as the action scenes, so that's why we've seen un-changed action scenes with the face actors in this episode and the last one.

>>22627731
We need more of this. I love seeing the face actors getting to fight.

>>22627730
that might be only thing i really dont get about the Hashiliens.

>Gyasoline is generated from the suffering and torment of people/lesser races.
>The BBGs beat the Guruma, whatever the Guruma did to people is actually reversed, people is happy again, however the acumulated Gyasoline is still there.
>Yalcar takes the Gyasoline and attempts to take it back to the boss.

we dont know or see exactly what happens to people once the Guruma is beaten, so we can only assume they are safe and sound, so, if thats the case, why do the BBGs still need to stop Yalcar? its not like if the victims actually need the Gyasoline to live or something.

Moose

>>22628028
>why do the BBGs still need to stop Yalcar? its not like if the victims actually need the Gyasoline to live or something.
Because their entire goal so far has been to get the Gyasoline, and they're creating monsters to do it. Therefore it stands to reason if they actually get to keep it something worse might come from it so it makes sense to chase it down. They already know they do not care about humanity and want to subjugate it so why take the chance that the Gyasoline can be used for something bad?

Anonymous

>>22628236
>>22628028
and it's pretty easy to assume that an energy source cultivated from human suffering is probably going to be used for something bad

Jou is the heroine of his shoujo anime confirmed

[Over-Time] Cranked-Up Sentai Boonboomger - 11 [B53C9035] [00_22_28]1.jpg

>>22628523
And then she doubles down by falling for the reverse sword grip meme.

[Over-Time] Cranked-Up Sentai Boonboomger - 11 [B53C9035].mkv_snapshot_15.55.620.jpg

This episode was really well directed and fun, a stark contrast to the last one.

>>22628844
it was literally the same director as last week

>>22626866
Boonboomger was crazy good this week.

>>22629006
So?
last week was mid or even bad. This week was great. Not my fault dude can't stay consistent.

>>22628834
So Mira really almost forced Taiya to fight back here, she's growing stronger. That's really good considering the show constantly shows Red being leagues better than the others in fights.

Moose

Those cyborg babies are gonna be here before we know it.

[Over-Time] Cranked-Up Sentai Boonboomger - 11 [B53C9035].mkv_snapshot_02.04.089_[2024.05.16_12.00.36].jpg

Great episode this week just for the action alone, shame the mech fight was sort of sped through compared to the on foot stuff but the on foot stuff was great so I'm not complaining. If you guys have any webm requests let me know. I'm doing the Boukenger-esque transformation and I might do them being under control, not sure if that works as a webm. Hopefully a few of you are still here with your requests considering I'm slow as molasses as of late.

Sound:
>>>/wsg/5551176

He's gonna be late for the police academy!.webm

Anonymous

>>22633254
Definitely need one of the Antenna Sentai Buzzbuzzger bit

Moose

You've been taking notes from the Boukengers I see.webm

Pretty sure someone already did this but I think it was a bit shorter.

Sound:
>>>/wsg/5551234

Anonymous

>>22633221
Babies? The only robot she wants to adopt is BunBun.

>>22633349
Bunpink might be the first time where I'm more into the suited character than the face actress.

>>22633221
I think she sees him as a child, actually.

>>22634367
>I think she sees him as a child, actually.
Good luck arguing with sex obsessed Anons


>>22624733
No, they aired at around the same time and Baldios wrapped up and had its compilation movie first. But I agree, I'd say that Baldios is even sadder than Ideon because each episode is so blatantly tragedy-of-the-week, plus you could ultimately say Ideon is hopeful but Baldios makes sure all hope is stamped out. I'd say it would be more "Zambot walked so Baldios could run".

>>22624744
>Zambot walked so Baldios could run
I think the similarities between Baldios and Ideon are stronger than Baldios and Zambot, it's more than just "these two shows deal with hopelessness" but I guess you could make an argument that all three of them have a lot of similar DNA, a sort of Combining Robots of Despair Trinity.
Now I wonder what a Zambot movie would be like.

>>22624779
>Now I wonder what a Zambot movie would be like.
You know bizarre as it sounds I can't help but shake the feeling that a Zambot movie might have been less soul crushing.

>>22624732
Read Grendizer Ota manga and get surprised at how it's extremely similar to Baldios.

Spoilers ahead:
Both had the Earth gets flooded, killing everyone, and it turned out the Earthlings, Freed/Vega people are all related

>>22624779
Baldios & Zambot look related

>>22624732
Baldios aired around the same time.
The true inspiration to Baldios? Planet of the Apes, especialy the first three movies.
>Timeloop story
>Scientist vs Military
>the reveal it was Earth all along
>Tragic ending
>The nuke fucking up the earth

>>22625117
Original unmade television ending even implied the villain escaping to ancient Rome through time travel again not unlike escape from planet of the apes.

Just finished the movie.
>mfw the ending <s>is the same as EoE</s>

>>22624989
Maybe Earth built Baldios after the Gaizok invasion in case it was needed?

>>22627665
Zambot is stronger than Baldios.

>>22624779
>>22624830
>ywn get a Zambot compilation movie animated by Kanada.

it's not fucking fair

>>22631352
>compilation movie
Nigga I want a Zambot 3: Be Invoked.

>>22631323
Earth technology doesn't have to be as advanced as Beal technology.

>>22631352
>>22631373
What the hell was sunrise thinking by NOT doing any of this? I like birth but i really wish we got a high budget movie for zambot 3 with kaneda as the head animator or director. What a missed opportunity.

>>22631395
I'm guessing Zambot wasn't popular?

>>22632722
>I'm guessing Zambot wasn't popular?
It was one of the best selling 70's anime on home video.

>>22632722
There is no need for a movie, I suppose they wanted to make different shows with different shit.

>>22632730
>It was one of the best selling 70's anime on home video.

Which probably isn't as impressive feat as it sounds given the time and the fact that TV shows were made primarily to sell add space. Not that it's NOTHING but it's like how CULT MOVIE basically means it bombed in theaters first.

>>22632739
>Which probably isn't as impressive feat as it sounds given the time
That's probably true, but any anime selling high enough numbers to rank next to or around future boy conan has to be some impressive feat. Tho, i've never the actual numbers, only that zambot 3 was among the top 5 best selling anime of that decade.

>>22632722
Kids didn't like it, Otaku adored it, and hence bought it when it came out on video. By that time Gundam was in full swing though - no way Sunrise would bother trying to reboot an old show from the same director when Gundam was such a huge hit. Sunrise stopped doing old school super robots after Daiouja in 81 anyways, anything not child oriented was going to be real robot from then on. So the window of possibility was likely very small.

>>22642423
The one that comes up under Daiouja when you google it.


Happy Mothers Day

Post /m/ moms or women who could've been a great mother.

>>22627252
Noa is kind of a hothead, but also very nurturing.
Arguably more womanly than the other ladies of her squadron.

Frau and Lacus. Also Armitage III counts as the Mother's Day /m/ show.

I need Inez to sit on my face and explain the optimal pussy eating technique to me. <s>Posting Nadesico because I got my mom the blu ray for Mother's Day</s>

>>22627548
cUte mommy is cUte. Much better than boss

You don't know how hard it is being a single mom and a dictator.

>>22627925
Sure we will, anon. Sure we will.

It utterly baffles me how Murrue didn't have kids with Mu already in Freedom

>>22628031
Really you'd think at least somebody getting knocked up would be a good use of epilogue

How would your mecha waifu deal with being pregnant?

>>22628049
>mecha waifu
There is no ____ waifu. There is only waifu. Waifu is one. Waifu is only. Waifu is lifeu. There is no category. There is no sorting. There is waifu.

>>22627627
Kinda funny how different she is in M7

>>22628086
First baby is always a practice

She and Seabook have kids in one of the later Crossbone manga.

Let's see how many of you get the reference. Also if the mods (faggots) ban me for posting this.

>>22628000
Why is their daughter's hair blue


Despair Memory Gundam Sequel

New chapter out now:

Japanese - https://viewer.heros-web.com/episod<wbr>e/2550689798309301136

English - https://mangadex.org/chapter/d4cd6c<wbr>32-e04b-42df-a065-b966a837f546/31

Since we're at 20 chapters and that releases have become not as frequent as they used to be, I'll make it a new policy for Despair Memory threads to have links to earlier chapters. Below are the links:

Chapter 1 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/a7be2e<wbr>9c-b77d-4584-8daa-f2ad8b114836/1

Chapter 2 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/db6819<wbr>cd-5904-4fdd-af29-977121fefeee/1

Chapter 3 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/9a2b12<wbr>b0-1b50-4b04-8057-b3e83581f29c/1

Chapter 4 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/268538<wbr>c4-21f1-41f4-b813-7d96f176e0f6/1

Chapter 5 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/3bc4e5<wbr>c8-c2cd-40e2-8bcc-e92052c91295/1

Chapter 6 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/fd8b3d<wbr>f5-b7d9-4ba6-9a9b-63b985e27e59/1

Chapter 7 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/12a476<wbr>23-8000-4273-9483-23c858de4ac7/1

Chapter 8 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/d9dec0<wbr>d5-200e-4978-881b-879217e518ae/1

Chapter 9 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/b92b26<wbr>d6-7e9d-4343-ac85-4fa5379bf738/1

Chapter 10 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/80d3c1<wbr>dc-bfa9-4827-a5f3-74c20baa3495/1

Chapter 11 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/3b2d3a<wbr>22-b08a-4f5b-b9d3-680d6b4234d7/1

Chapter 12 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/302038<wbr>ad-1cae-4991-b2f8-30aa645d6d40/1

Chapter 13 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/91fcf2<wbr>0f-38fc-467b-abb5-df2e96c0f3a6/1

Chapter 14 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/49c2be<wbr>7b-ef40-439d-9e63-83b6af690016/1

Chapter 15 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/7fcf6b<wbr>f9-d2a7-4ef4-909d-405cf3848cb7/1

Chapter 16 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/691ad9<wbr>27-dcc5-4716-8839-d149d0debe52/1

Chapter 17 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/d45844<wbr>e2-8362-47a3-8837-99632e9bd774/1

Chapter 18 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/36fac8<wbr>04-59e0-47c5-9fc1-a009457578a4/1

Chapter 19 - https://mangadex.org/chapter/d4cd6c<wbr>32-e04b-42df-a065-b966a837f546/1

Awful comic. I can only speculate that the less frequent releases mean that even the writer and artist are sick of it

>>22626901
holy shit it keeps getting better

>>22627104

>Awful comic.

Still better than Mobile Suit Gundam: The Witch from Mercury.

>>22626901
You can just link to the fucking serial on mangadex instead of listing out every chapter like a dumbass.People are capable of clicking themselves from chater to chapter.

>>22627414

Three reasons why I opted to do that. One, to remind those who haven't read the manga that it's at 20 chapters. Two, having to go to the last page of the main link to find the first chapter's English translation is tedious. Lastly, it's to help those who gave up in the middle to remember where they left off.

>>22626901
Thanks! Are you the translator OP?

>>22629107

No. I just enjoy this manga and see it as a duty to always set up a Despair Memory thread.

>pray to flower
>burn girlfriend to death
For some reason this really reminds me of yugioh 5ds lmao

>>22627542
You're a brainlet. Linking to the title page is enough. Who cares if someone gave up in the middle. They're not going back.

>>22629496
A sequal to the "One year War" when Newtypes where purged from the earth before they grew by gassing all of them in a colony .

Despair Memory Gundam Sequel - Vol.1 Ch.1 - Bloody Kaoris - 2.jpg

>>22634666

Because WfM soured on me, especially with its ending.

>>22634666
>>22635314

As to why I see it as a duty to set up DMGS threads, if no one else will do it, I will.

>>22626901
I for one am reading this just for Bloody Kaoris crazy ride. It's like having Revy in a Gundam universe that's immune to fire. If only they had a better artist drawing this then it would be cringe kino.

>>22640189

Sadly, <s>she's booted out of Gundam Minerva.</s>


What was the worst UC retcon

>>22626836
Unicorn actually. the whole incident is just a bunch of nothingburgers

>>22626836
All the non-Tomino UC content.

>>22626870
You again?
Fuck off. The original Gundam became what it was thanks to people like Yas, Kenichi Matsuzaki and Hiroyuki Hoshiyama.
The bald coot's raw ideas have always been an incoherent mess. Or. like in the highlighted excerpt, cringey as fuck.
Take a look for yourself
https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_i<wbr>d=9261
https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_i<wbr>d=9204

>>22626885
Sorry you've never had an animal friend.

>>22626885
Is this supposed to change my mind or something?

>>22626836
Didn't watch second Igloo. What did it retcon?

>>22626836
Article 15 is the dumbest shit and you cannot convince me otherwise.

>>22626836
0083 and the other OVAs, maybe even AoZ a little.
There are 80 different machines that are all better than the Gundam Mark II, their new flagship MS, and the titans didn’t make use use of ANY of these things or their technology. That or they did use some, and then still lost somehow.

>>22626836
The fact that there are now not only a dozen or more Gundams active during the OYW but that they all manage to have top tier ace pilots too.

>>22626885
>t. soulless pet-eating insect

Unicorn's zeon apologist bullpoop
What the frick were they thinking?
But even so....

>>22626836
Aside from Fukui's stuff (Moon-Moon being a secret Newtype colony is so infuriating since Moon-Moon are my favourite individual Gundam episodes along with Break the World ), the retcon in Origin about how Char stole his name and joined Zeon. How lazy, implausible, and stupid.

>>22627719
>the retcon in Origin about how Char stole his name and joined Zeon.
That was just referencing material from the 80s. which already had Char stealing the identity of a "real Char". Although,yeah, it's still stupid, but it's not something Origin created out of nothing.

>>22627726
I don't have a problem with Char stealing his identity from someone else, but did it have to be an identical twin with different-coloured eyes? The most horrifying thing about it is the types of Unicorn-tier retcons it could spawn in the future, but fortunately that may not be outside a minor manga since Bamco is moving towards late UC with the Hathaway movies.

>>22626870
so G-reco happens after turn-A ;)

Stop or maybe I'll let you off with a warning.webm

>>22627719
could he not pass off his eye color as a clerical error he couldn't be arsed to fix instead of wearing sunglasses at night

>>22629995
Past medical and biometric records would prove the old eye colour. They might also cross reference and compare with what the original Char Aznable's parents eye colour were, if someone were investigating his background.

Then again, it's completely retarded that he passed through all of Zeon military academy, medical checkups included, wearing sunglasses and visors the entire time.

Unicorn is up there but collectively it's probably all the OYW revisionist stuff like Thunderbolt where there are now numerous Gundams running around during the war all with crack aces behind the wheel, which completely invalidates Amuro and THE Gundam being the propaganda machine/symbol they were.

>>22629921
Why exactly am I supposed to dislike this

>>22627209
>>22627231
>>22630057
This. How were all of those things better than the 78-2 and running around like they’ve been in service for years? The 78-2 was only finished in September.

>>22630228
To this board everything is zeonwank.

>>22626836
Unicorn, The Origin. You can feel that they really missed the mark by making their favorite character/faction el sooper especiale con de leche.

The Zeon apologism has been really bad since Unicorn.

>>22627063
They added more MS into a part of the timeline where its too early for them to pop up. The most notable being the EF having Ground GMs at Odessa.

>>22630057
Thunderbolt is in its own seperate timeline. It's not part of the main UC animated timeline.

>>22626836
That Kamille didn't actually come up with and design the Zeta

>>22626885
How many prescriptions are you on?

>>22627063
>Didn't watch second Igloo. What did it retcon?

Besides the weird Shinigami character

introducing more Federation MS prototypes

>>22629921
This but completely unironically
The entire Zeon section of Igloo fellates the general noble cause and nature of the Zeonic fighter, turns every Federation fighter into faceless mafioso goons, retroactively adds a production flaw to GMs while also significantly rewriting the point of their deployment, and also allows the vast majority of its cast including the nameless kid cadet squad in totally-better-than-Balls escape with their lives.
The entire Federation section is virtually every single EF character dying exept for the one explicitly cast as an asshole.

>>22630057
Yeah, as dumb as Unicorn is I can at least sorta handwave that with "it was ultimately a pretty small scale conflict between a few families and everyone shrugged their shoulders at what is essentially an worthless piece of paper from decades ago".

All the OYW wankery stories not only made that part of the continuity overstuffed, but it also took away from the original series and what we're told is unique about Amuro and the RX-78. Never understood why the OYW is so favored when it's probably easier to justify your OC donut steel super prototype into the Zeta-CCA era.

>>22630341
>GMs at Odessa
Also shown in 08th.

>>22629921
>zeekwank
>Show a guntank crushing a zaku
Que?

>>22638206

The second IGLOO 2 episode has one guy in that EF tank unit survive. Rayban Surat is his name, I believe.

>>22626836
Article 15 is dumb. The rest of Unicorn is nothing burger and even kind of cool(at least until it becomes God).

>>22638251
He's a zeekfag being sarcastic.
There are some things I don't like Igloo for, but it's is actually one of the only Gundam works to ever show GMs for example being threatening in a major capacity as well as to show Balls directly killing things.

>>22638226
>All the OYW wankery stories not only made that part of the continuity overstuffed, but it also took away from the original series and what we're told is unique about Amuro and the RX-78. Never understood why the OYW is so favored when it's probably easier to justify your OC donut steel super prototype into the Zeta-CCA era.

The original series was the only truly mainstream UC Gundam (or Gundam in general until SEED). Zeta and the others were successes with the hardcore public buying model kits, but they didn't have the popular culture presence that the original tv series eventually reached in reruns (where its ratings reached an average of even 17% once).

6.6% ratings for the mid 80s (when you still didn't have internet or advanced videogames competing with tv time) is pretty damn low. Lupin III part 3 for example was considered a black sheep and had the entire franchise ignoring it for years and going back to the Part 2's look due to the tv ratings falling to around Zeta's level (7%).

That's why you get so many people trying to fit in their One Year War story, with Zeta and CCA long behind the OYW (and even so most Zeta and CCA material are related to elements from the One Year War, like the Zeon fallout, rather than a bunch of AEUG/Titans centered side-stories for example).

>>22626836
Newtypes coming out of nowhere and being some important thing at the end of 0079

>>22638206
>>22638279
honestly, I think a big part of it is that the One Year War is a larger-scale conflict than the Gryps Conflict? the One Year War is a big contest between nation states, whereas the Gryps Conflict rides the line between insurgency and civil war the whole way through, and doesn't feel like it has as much space for new big battles to occur.

>>22626843
The fuck are you on about, shit like that happens all the time irl.
>government secret gets exposed
>outcry lasts a few weeks
>due to the comfy status quo, nothing changes

>>22627063
Episodes 1 and 2, nothing. It's a bit (a lot) corny but I like how it depicts how hopeless fighting MS are as infantry and tanks.
Episode 3 had an OC guntank prototype

>>22639314
My biggest problem with Igloo is how rubbery and hyper-exaggerated the motion of the mobile suits is.

>>22639314
>OC guntank prototype
Sorta. The RTX-44 was already mentioned in databooks and gunpla manuals since around the mid-2000s? Then the RTX-440 (they literally stuck a '0' onto the end of the model number) was introduced in MS Igloo 2 and is apparently a modification of the RTX-44. No picture or really any detailed information exists for the RTX-44, and I'm not even sure what changed exactly from the 44 to the 440.

>>22639318
That was only the ships in the first episode.

>>22626836
Almost every One Year War story besides the original series. The Gundam was supposed to be this advanced, unique war machine that changed the tide of the war. But with all side stories there's dozens, maybe even hundreds of them in the same time frame.

>>22642661
>unique war machine that changed the tide of the war
The only reason it changed the tide was that Zeon dedicated an obscene amount of assets to hunting down White Base. The show is pretty damn clear that it doesn't actually believe in one fighter changing the course of anything.

>>22638226
OYW is the only war with a true sense of scale. Stuff like the gunperry or other logistics vehicles that added alot of world building were dropped immediately after MSG, therefore, making wars like Gryps or CCA feel kinda insignificant and small scale. Also making battleships and other combat vehicles like the type 61 irrelevant for more pure MS v. MS combat ruined MSG's combined arms feeling. I feel author's have alot less to work with when it comes to making their stories when the world of anything afterwards MSG is just MS and boring identical space aircraft carriers. Compare that to MSG's two completely unique factions with their own vehicles and spaceships.

>>22643794
To be fair, Gryps and the Axis drop are explicitly much smaller scale in-universe too.


>>22627705
Production order for both the anime and manga. You can skip the original and G anime if you've read the manga, but the Go anime and manga are both worth reading and watching, as well as the OVAs. Arc can be skipped.

>>22627705
It doesn't fucking matter why are you even asking?
This is a series about crazy barbarians murdering things with a robot they don't understand, kinda like Japanese MEGAS XLR. You think canon matters for something like this?

>>22627705
There should be a hatch somewhere, open it and climb in.

>For years nobody had any trouble just watching shit.
>Now every fuckmunch can't get into anything without first vetting checking and reading a complete flow chart and write up.
Why are you fagwads like this?

You don't "get" into it, you must first combine with 2 other people.

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>>22627986
Yeah as if you faggots actually understood Armageddon before by just watching it lmfao.

>>22628074
>DUDE I NEED A 3 HOUR YOUTUBE ANALYSIS RETELLING THE ENTIRE THING AND A WIKI PAGE TO UNDERSTAND CARTOOOOOOONS

>>22627705
You don't get into Getter.
Getter gets into you.

>>22627705
Here's the getter read guide
Outdated but it's something

>>22627707
FPBP
Can't go wrong with production order

>>22629211
What'd I do? I remembered this chart from years ago and production order is, quite unironically, often a good call for large franchises.

>>22629212
You spoon fed a retard making a bait template thread with zero real interest that can't figure out cartoons for themselves because they're a twat. It's encouraging bad behavior and people to become disinclined to actually engage with what they claim is a chosen hobby.

>often a good call for large franchises.
And It's not that large a franchise. Good lord. When did this all happen? When did people NOT want to watch their shows? I remember when I first saw how many different versions of, for example, gundam there were and my reaction was "Oh sweet. A lot of anime to watch." The only thing you're helping people with is getting a basic cliff's notes version of a series they're too vacuous to form a real opinion on.

>>22627705
Have you tried reading it or watching it? Might be a good way of getting into a manga/anime series but I'm not sure.

>>22629085
Thanks mang, that image is exactly what i was looking for.
>>22629225
Touch grass tranny.

>>22629225
"showing them online" has become people's primary motivation

>>22629225
Look, man, I get that spoonfeeding is bad and I agree that gatekeeping is important, but I think there's a fine line between what you're worried about, which is indeed trying to watch or read shit with the minimum possible effort, and trying to help uncertain normalfags actually watching. You hved a good attitude about actually starting Gundam for example, but the fact of the matter is that a ton of people, even people legitimately interested in this sort of thing, are often intimidated (needlessly mind you!) by seeing the number of entries in anything while also knowing nothing about them. It's completely pointless to be intimidated but a lot of people get confused or afraid for no reason, which means they never ever actually get into the thing. That's good because it's self-exercising gatekeeping but it's also a bit of a pity- there will be a handful of people out there who actually are interested in trying to start this sort of thing too afraid of nothing to ever try.

This is why I talked about production order. Telling people just to start from the start and telling them how to do it is, I would hope, not the same as trying to give people the shortlist to """"get the essential experience""", which I agree with and have long thought is a shitty thing to do. In giving anon a chart, I was not attempting to give him some kind of cheat sheet so he could go brag on twitter how he read Getter while reading as little Getter as possible, I was trying to tell him where to get started doing it. Maybe I did reply to a template thread, but maybe it'd be a decent answer to template threads to give legitimate answers for the honest people who actually do want to watch and read things. Sorry if I pissed you off.

>>22627986
Reddit, YouTube, no one has any sense of independence when they go online or how to pursue media anymore. Ties in with how kids don't know how to use telephones anymore.

>>22628096
>>22628100
>>22628146
Armageddon is good but you fags need to not act so obvious

>>22627705
Here you go. Reading through this thread, I realized I like you OP. Hope this helps. I recommend New (2004) and getter robo manga (1974) by ken ishikawa as your first foray.

>>22627705
Open the cockpit and don't die from Getter Rays

>>22629901
Based and perfectly reasonable.
Rule of thumb is to open a Wikipedia article with the list of works in production order, pick out what you find interesting and go from there. You only have to pay attention to what works require knowledge from previous works to be understood, and that usually only extends to one being a sequel to another.
I also think the modern Marvel Cinematic Universe, multiverses, lore theory crafting bullshit mindset has made a lot of people afraid to "ruin" their experience when its not a big deal unless you do something obviously stupid like watching a sequel before the original.
I watched the Shin Getter Robo OVA first and got hooked from there, accidentally read the Shin Getter Robo manga before Getter Robo Go because it was listed that way on Mangadex, and it was still great. Same with Gundam, I only watched the Tomino Gundams up to CCA and skipped straight to Turn A only to find out that Victory Gundam was awesome a few years later. If a series is truly good it wont require you to do stupid asinine shit like watching in Chronological order, watching spin offs that were made after the main series or other ridiculous stuff.

>>22632067
>I also think the modern Marvel Cinematic Universe, multiverses, lore theory crafting bullshit mindset has made a lot of people afraid to "ruin" their experience when its not a big deal unless you do something obviously stupid like watching a sequel before the original.
Yeah, but there's also a big min/max mindset with many of these people -- they're more interested in putting Getter on their 3x3s and making idiotic memes than watching it out of genuine interest. The meme aspect alone has ruined discourse around Jojo's even though it couldn't be more straightforward to watch and read.

>>22631296
niggas really pretend the manga is for adults while the cartoon is for kids

>>22632067
>>22632093

Guy who wrote with Borot here
I agree that this sort of minmax mentality is what has to be avoided, but simultaneously I also again do think a lot of people are needlessly intimidated by franchises and often unwilling to do research. I actually was thinking earlier that something like very barebones production order charts are one of the best possible midpoints. An info chart, and ironically my problem with the very chart I posted myself in >>22629085 is that it gives a bit too much information to the reader. An ideal guide for a new watcher of anything should just be a list of the material and the advice should be to either start from the beginning or watch whatever. This is a big problem with the Gundam chart that has floated around for years for example. Multiple versions have come and gone which try to do silly things like list "pros and cons" or which provided a bit of extra context rather than just giving you the only necessary basics like what is in what continuity, what year it came out, and MAYBE who directed it.

Minmaxing fagolas, hopefully, will not be attracted to simple lists, which are distinct from charts that border on recommendation charts. Maybe I am being too optimistic, but basically, I want to make it as easy as possible for new blood or otherwise genuinely interested eyeballs to come while also having the simple filter of actually watching the fucking content. Hopefully, reducing a chart to a list with the barest minimum of clarification on what is what (e.g. Great Mazinger is a sequel to Mazinger Z) would be useful, since it would also mean anyone who just wants to be an achievement hunter can only ever actively claim so much.

I've always really liked the VOTOMS sheet for this reason. It's extremely simple and barebones, no fuss no muss, watch it or don't, doesn't tell you anything you don't really need.

>>22631296

Again thanks a lot, I should've clarified I'm only interested in manga, cause I've watched most of Getter Robo animes like ten years ago, but those mostly suck dick and forgettable as fuck except Armageddon and the one with cowboy dude.
I'm not a huge mangafag in general and this mecha drought got me desperate for some, you know, actually good mecha stuff.

>>22632104
>suck dick and forgettable as fuck
I've never seen them but that sounds like the toei shows. Which outside go are saturday morning cartoons. Different strokes for different folks.

>>22629225
>>22629901
>>22632067
>>22632100
These are great posts as to why gatekeeping is a good thing. /m/ should never change. Thank you for this anons. If only anime medium never reached main stream popularity as it's ruined the fandom overall.

>>22632152
I'm having a little trouble reading if this is sincere or not, but for now as I feel it's on the 'not' side, c'mon anon, I was literally advocating for trying to get more people to watch anime by making it easier to access while at the same time not reducing stuff to a "greatest hits collection". Those people who don't care about watching things and who just want to mark off checklists exist. I am fine with that, those can be in a way ignored because they self-filter naturally, but I also actually think it's important to make anime and media in general accessible to people who really are interested. A lot of people can't seem to bring themselves to get over the small hurdles from time to time, and that's a pity, people are missing out on good stuff for no reason.

>>22632160
I agree with you that there's a friendly middle ground between listing every upgrade or character-development episode vs giving a reassuring production order and mentioning what shows homage what. That Votoms list looks particularly daunting and even just a singular human voice giving any sort of comment or assurance about it would help someone pick it up instead of indefinitely shelving it.

>>22632160
>>22632167
I'm not the poster you're replying to though

>>22632167
>>22632168
Thanks
The VOTOMS list isn't daunting at all, IMO it's easily on the shorer side. To "fix" it all it would take is demarcating the chronological and production orders better, since in total there's only eleven actual entries in it. A single white line through the middle of the chart makes it a bunch clearer to read.

>>22632179
Yeah, you're right, that's way easier. Maybe a picture or two of Chirico or a Scopedog to make it look a bit friendly would be fine, so it doesn't look like one of those charts listing the signs of a stroke, but it looks great. No unnecessary synopses of each series, since it's pretty you'd start off with a random OVA because it had a slightly more interesting summary.

>americans need infographics and specialists encouraging them to engage with their hobbies
Grim.

>>22632203
We live in strange and grim times anon. Nothing for it but to try and spread some cheer.

>>22632203
Just wait until you see this website https://youtini.com/

>>22632221
No. Stop encouraging stupid people to be stupid. Fuck you. There's a line between being nice and being retarded. This isn't helping anyone. You think you're being helpful, friendly and welcoming and then next thing you know we're up to our tits in threads asking HOW DO I GET INTO X, HOW DO I START Y! I JUST SPED THROUGH 90 EPISODES OF A WEEKLY ANIME WHILE LOOKING AT MY PHONE AND DIDN'T LIKE OR UNDERSTAND IT!!

If someone makes an honest effort on their own and at least TRIES but they have questions or are confused about something, THEN you can be helpful. Then you can be friendly. But that's not what happened. People are complaining about not knowing how to do their homework but then revealing that their text books are still in shrink wrap.

>>22632235
Well, that's why I wrote some walls of text earlier. I am well aware of the problem of retard speedwatchers or what have you, which is why ideally anything telling newfags what to do or giving them direction should be a filter in and of itself by being simple and spartan. Turning "just watch the show" into an image macro with a checklist didn't seem like all that bad of an idea. Oh well.

>>22632248
Turning the hobby into a checklist is exactly the problem!

>>22632251
Ah, that answers it nicely. Thanks.

There's nothing wrong with being confused about how to get into a franchise, but I always find these threads a bit disingenuous because you can find the production order for any show pretty easily nowadays. I've never had to ask other people where to start. That's why I think spoonfeeding is pretty retarded, if they can't even be assed to do a quick search on the archive or Google then they probably aren't terribly interested in the first place.

>>22632160
>over the small hurdles from time to time
That's their fault. No one else. Consuming media shouldn't be challenge. And yes I was sincere or in good faith.

>>22632512
>you can find the production order for any show pretty easily nowadays
Not that anon but it's a bit annoying trying to find just the bare minimal info without accidentally stumbling across
>"this show pioneered the genre of an anthology format where every preceding protagonist dies"
>some stupid-ass google question of "is the protag dead at the end of the show"
>"such-and-such OVA takes place 2 years after the show and the death of the protag"
I don't even want to take a glance at that fucking shit
>looked up Ashita no Joe as a random example on google images and there's a spoiler about the last bit from fucking steam and soundcloud out of all places

>>22633109
>Not that anon but it's a bit annoying trying to find just the bare minimal info without accidentally stumbling across

It's not solving a great mystery to just check out what order this shit came out in and what's available.

>>22633109
>>"this show pioneered the genre of an anthology format where every preceding protagonist dies"
Never seen any of this type of shit on Google or Wikipedia. The fuck are you getting spoilers like this from?

>>22633423
Too bad people are just fucking idiots

>>22633479
Which is all the more reason not to encourage them.

>>22633423
>>22633475
I'm paranoid about spoilers and it's been years since I've made these mistakes, but actually look at the wikipedia page for Getter Robo and pretend you wanted to go into this completely blind
>scroll past the harmless plot setting and volume list
>sequels and remakes section immediately tells you the ending for Toei and lists G's pilots
>Getter Robo Go is a reboot but the manga is listed in the same section as well
>was obviously supposed to skip down to the list of series instead
>subsequently names Shin, Arc, Armageddon, and the other OVAs, moreso as a timeline rather than categorizing it by narrative
>the list of series just sorts them by medium and doesn't indicate what's a continuation or standalone
>you have to glance at each section if you want to know whether or not it's standalone
>you're either supposed to watch Armageddon after either reading and watching Arc, or after watching Go
If it's a legitimate spoiler for someone that <s>Musashi dies in every appearance</s> that's sort of on them, but it would be better to hear "enjoy the manga in production order but give one of the OVAs a chance for you to see what the feeling is like" from an actual human being than this history record of the Getter franchise

>>22633526
>but actually look at the wikipedia page for Getter Robo and pretend you wanted to go into this completely blind

Boom. Done. Didn't even let my eyes glance at the middle of the page or any pertinent spoiler details.

>>22633534
>look up the thing
>it tells you to look it up yourself

>WAAAAAAAAAAH SPOILERS!!!!!!! AAAAIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE<wbr>EEEEEEE
What the fuck is wrong with zoomers.

>>22633526
>it would be better to hear "enjoy the manga in production order ... from an actual human being
Why not just do that from the beginning? Do you seriously need someone else to tell you what to do all the time? Remember to clean your ass in chronological order after every shit you take anon, and chew before you swallow, inhale and exhale at a decent pace or your oxygen level will plummet and we don't want that. Also you die at the end no matter what you do in life, how is that for a spoiler you fucking retard.

>>22627986
>>22629225
You secret club gatekeeping faggots created this so-called "problem" in the first place by constantly whining about shit such as newcomers not starting with the "right" entries, not watching the "must-watch" ones, and them watching whatever caught their eyes instead of following your "sacred" production order or curated recommendation list.

Imagine complaining about "spoilers" for a franchise that's literally fucking 50 years old lmao

>>22633646
Oh right, I forgot you're actually newfaggots trying to larp as oldfags.

>>22633665
>I was there Gandalf, I was there 3000 years ago when the meanie oldfags told me to fuck off

>>22633679
>Toss the recs in Isuldanon! Tell me what to watch!!

>>22633665
Bro I love seeing lil' ass goombas try and call anyone they don't like "tourists," dog who do you think you're fucking talking to when you got into anime in like 2019 get the fuck outta here.

What was Getter Robo Armageddon supposed to be like before the original showrunner left?

What happened with the style change so soon?

>>22633736
Only he knows. And he's not telling.

>>22633762
It leaves many to debate if Genki being Kei was the plan all along, among other things.

>>22633781
You have more than the normal amount of chromosomes.

>>22632201
I like short summaries because I like knowing what I'm about to watch. Surely at least an overall series summary wouldn't hurt so I don't pick a lighthearted comedy when I want to watch something serious and dark.

>>22634181
You're right, I ignored that bit because I don't know what Votoms is about

>>22633729
IMAO. You real proud of this post, huh. You pitiful fucking loser.

>>22633736
I remember seeing a good comment about it. Something about Getter being linked to the invaders and needing to purify the world or something.

>>22628096
>>22628100
>>22628146
>>22631821
not him, but that's bullshit. you miss a good chunk of context if you watch armaggedon in isolation, to the point some scenes feel out of place because they're actually references to stuff in the manga. not every reference requires this, mind you, but it's painfully obvious stuff like gore and burai or the emperor fleet showing up is something that comes out of nowhere and if you only ever watched armageddon you can't possibly understand its full context.

>>22634574
>not him, but that's bullshit. you miss a good chunk of context if you watch armaggedon in isolation,

So? So you miss it? So what? Yeah you might get some references that add to the experience but none of it defines. It's not reliant on it. The story in the series itself is completely stand alone. This is is exactly part of the problem. So many of you retards are terrified of not understand EVERYTHING all at once that you end up understanding nothing or don't watch anything. You're completely incapable of figuring things out via context or having a blank that you freeze up like a dear in headlights. Here's a hot top. Not only do you NOT need to understand any of this crap, most of us went into Armageddon blind to start with because it was the only Getter robo ANYTHING we had for years unless you want to count those incomplete highly edited Force Five episodes. Just watch the show because the worst thing that happens is you get the references in reverse order.

>>22635200
>You're completely incapable of figuring things out via context
that's exactly what I'm talking about, there's no context.

>most of us went into Armageddon blind to start with because it was the only Getter robo ANYTHING we had for years unless you want to count those incomplete highly edited Force Five episodes
this is completely irrelevant to the point, no one is telling not to watch or enjoy armageddon as a standalone work, I'm only calling out the bullshit that is saying you can just jump into it with no context and understand everything, which some people will and do argue in favor of.

>>22635200
As someone who first watched Armageddon without reading the manga, I'd absolutely think you're missing out by not doing it, this thing gives no context of the mythos and throws you clearly assuming you get everything they talk about

>>22636215
>I'm only calling out the bullshit that is saying you can just jump into it with no context and understand everything, which some people will and do argue in favor of.
So you learn. You watch Armageddon and probably don't get everything, but you get most of it. Then you watch something else or read the manga and oh, now you get what that moment in Armageddon was about. You learn from your experiences like a fucking human being.

>>22627705
Read the manga Getter > G > Go > Shin > Arc
Watch the ovas in any order

>>22636215
>>22636597
Armageddon is literally a sequel to a story that doesn't exist

>>22637705
>sequel to a story that doesn't exist

>>22637736
You see. That audio drama......... hasn't and will never be translated. (Time to learn jap, yeah right). But you're right.

>>22636616
Armageddon intended audience HAD to be getter robo fans or otaku familiar with the franchise in some form or another. It's a direct to video OVA. Which typically is aimed at an adult otaku audience or demographic. Imagawa is a huge fan of the franchise and who is a super robot fanboy himself. With all this my mind I don't think Armageddon had a general casual audience in mind when in production with dynamic pro.

>>22636215
If the concern is "I will not understand deep fanservice lore/references that don't actually affect the overall plot of the show", then the "correct" choice for first watch should be obvious- whatever the first entry produced was.

I hear so many people nowadays that say "I don't want my TV shows/movies/books/etc to be homework" and it just makes no sense to me. Like...don't make it homework, then? A lot of these pulp stories ultimately have the same basic "good guys fight bad guy" plot, and honestly a lot of the times fanservicey things are also not that hard to parse out just from context alone.

I don't know if it's the MCU or what, but something has broken peoples' brains in terms of how they enjoy long-running franchises. Enjoying art shouldn't be some kind of weird completionist run.

>>22637762
>I don't know if it's the MCU or what, but something has broken peoples' brains in terms of how they enjoy long-running franchises. Enjoying art shouldn't be some kind of weird completionist run.
Yeah I agree somewhat. I think both the Hollywood business model and seasonal style of watching show because of Netflix created a different (warped) perception of consuming media. It is all for worse culturally. Another example is seeing anime blu ray releases and shows classified as "seasons" including with older shows.
>Season 2 part 1 of a 50 episode show or season 2 of the second half of a 26 episode anime

HBO live action shows that's classified as seasons is something I hate with a passion being used to categorize anime episode count.

>>22637762
>I hear so many people nowadays that say "I don't want my TV shows/movies/books/etc to be homework" and it just makes no sense to me.
It makes no sense to me too. It has been a stupid thing to say, that has been said by a lot of people this past decade.

>>22637705
Yeah and Giant Robo is a middle chapter to a story that doesn't exist. Shut up. The only thing you need to know is that they were a robot team and they fought shit. Everything else makes sense in context and through the prologue. Actually pay a-fucking-tention. This is so much why I hate request fags.

>>22637761
Sure it has a lot of stuff only fans would get, but let's not act as if at the end of the day the basic appeal of Getter is much (if at all) more complex than "hot blooded guys in robots fight aliens/monsters while yelling and making funny faces". The OVAs pretty much always deliver on this and if someone doesn't enjoy that aspect of it, no amount of deeper lore and fan reference shit is going to get them to stay. Or at least it shouldn't.

>>22637797
I agree. Enough said from me.

>>22634574
Ummm akchually you also don't fully understand Armageddon if you haven't read Kyomu Senki since the Invaders are straight up taken from there so you don't fully understand the context either.

>>22637945
>Kyomu Senki
Why would ishikawa do this?

I've seen people claim Excel Saga as their first anime ages ago, and zoomies can't watch a fucking getter ova without a guide telling them to do so.

>>22638111
>I've seen people claim Excel Saga as their first anime ages ago,
I vaguely remember this. Same with guyver too. The era of Adv/new type USA and anime insider was one hell of an time.

>>22638111
In my case a lot of my first exposure to series was the movie adaptations. I never say anything else Urusei Yatsura till long after Beautiful Dreamer, for a solid decade the only Tenchi I knew was the 1st movie and for a longer while still I only knew Slayers from its film. I feel like a lot of the time anime fans used to be far more willing to jump into the deep end and just enjoy shit for it's own sake. People were watching stuff to be entertained not pad out a list. And yes, a lot of this was due to more limited access but I don't think that changes things too much. People just can't seem to enjoy anything on there own anymore while old generations would catch as they could. And that's not getting into all the old short ovas that were either stand alone or outright incomplete. It feels like people used to be happier to watch things for their own sake. To get a brief view into whatever made up fantasy world the series was telling us about. Just pure entertainment. Now it's HOW DO I WATCH X!? DO I NEED TO WATCH Y TO UNDERSTAND Z!? HOW CAN I WATCH [INSERT FRANCHISE] WITHOUT ACTUALLY WATCHING IT!? CAN I SKIP EPISODES!? I really think these people need to reevaluate their chosen hobby. When I found out there was a bunch of different gundam series after seeing my first my eyes lit up like a christmas tree because the idea of having more anime to watch was terrific.

>>22638111
Zoomie here and Excel Saga was one of the first anime I saw (mainly because of CWC). I read a few volumes of the manga too.

>>22640522
Excel Saga was huge in the early 00s. One of the premier SO RANDUMB anime types.

>>22640529
>SO RANDUMB
It's not random at all, the references and parodies are just too japanese.

>>22636616
yeah, no one is arguing armageddon can't be a good entry point.
>dude just look it up lmao
if you have to say that then you agree with me, no point in arguing further.

>>22637762
>I will not understand deep fanservice lore/references that don't actually affect the overall plot of the show
that's not exactly the concern, though. it is the fact it DOES have prominent references to getter lore that lack proper context in armageddon itself. and even if you handwave those as something that is intentionally obtuse and not meant to be fully understood, then at minimum it is a series that is greatly enhanced by having that proper context.

>>22640933
Yeah but tell that to early internet subculture.