Godzilla Minus One

https://nyaa.si/view/1812658

Fuck it, here's a thread. The subs are off sync.

i can't believe is already the 5th month of the year

there's also 2gb release on nyaa, is it good (video quality-wise)?

It's alright, but I felt Shin Godzilla had way more interesting characters and less filler. I like that it's more focused on Japan instead of realistically having the US come in and try to wipe out Godzilla, but considering the story it'd be cool if they had a few scenes showing the Soviets and US reacting/trying to kill Godzilla and getting owned.

The stakes just felt really low honestly

>>22616425
Shin Godzilla had characters? I just remember talking heads with titles.

>>22612895
>He actually recoils from cannons
What a bitch ass Godzilla

>>22616505
He literally jobs to a landmine.
The only reason he goes on is due to his incredible regeneration which is unlike any other Godzilla.

I hate that there's a few unreleased tracks in the OST. Specifically the OST where Koichi tells Noriko about Godzilla. If we were getting a Vol. 2 soundtrack, it would've happened by now.

>>22609483
>The subs are off sync
Any updates on that front?

>>22617881
There are several sets of re-timed subs floating around in various places. The /t/ thread has one.

>>22616425
>The stakes just felt really low honestly
They're literally the same

It was... fine I guess. Should've just ended with MC reuniting with the kid. Bringing back the girl felt kinda cheap.

>>22619628
Yeah but it brought her back in a way that now she's a monstert too

>>22619111
Is it in a separate srt file? This can be a problem even with websites that let you resync the subs online.
What worries me more is that 7.1 mix that gives pre-nuke Godzilla a shitty generic roar. Apparently the problem doesn't appear in 5.1 so I hope we will be able to pick the version we want.

>>22619628
I think bringing the girl back was the more unexpected move. Plus the possible implication that she gained regenerative abilities thanks to Godzilla's radiation is fucking cool

I liked it :)<br>also the 2gb upload in nyaa has well timed subs

>>22619628
It's funny because even in the end they just couldn't give the guy a break by giving his wife super godzilla radiation

>>22609816
Eh, its better then youtube hd

>>22612897
That should have killed him and fuck the whole thing, what a dumbass

It's dumb theory but do you think Noriko's gonna end up Biollante?

>>22612897
how is that plane flying backward?

>>22621980
It's not flying backwards; it's how it's constructed.
>https://airandspace.si.edu/collect<wbr>ion-objects/kyushu-j7w1-shinden-mag<wbr>nificent-lightning/nasm_A1960033300<wbr>0

>>22612897
Shindens are so fucking stupid, I love them

>>22621998
>What's wrong Emperor Hirohito?
>Are you craving my mcnuggies?

>>22609483
Ever noticed that only the MonsterVerse tried to stay away from the whole "the bomb made godzilla", even Shin Godzilla still tied in to nuclear waste at the end, whereas -1 deeply went hard on connecting it to the atom bomb allegory again.

>>22622165
>Made by burgers
I wonder why.

>>22619612
Shin was way more of a threat with it's ability to evolve, in the long run it's probably the most dangerous 'zilla, Minus One is average as far as incarnations go

>>22622165
Zilla 98 kept the origin but shifted the blame to the french goverment, and while Shin Godzilla changed it to a Nuclear Waste experiment, the latter film still i included the fear of the atom bomb as a plot point in the history as a race against the clock to stop it and not let the goverment get them nuked again and Minis One brought back the atom bomb allegory as a direct tie to Godzilla, even if its hinted that he already had the regenerating capabilities in his pre nuke state, but the bomb definitively made him even worse.

With all the weird ways directors have been emphasizing the glowing spines building to the atomic breath, I wonder how many more movies before one of them has them open up in panels like Unicorn's destroy mode.

>>22623087
Super Godzilla on SNES straight up gave him a KameHameHaa done via his mid section between his chest and stomach.

>>22622165
2014's origin is technically closer to what's described in the original movie than the heisei "the bomb literally made Godzilla" origin that everyone got used to.

>>22622165
>Ever noticed that only the MonsterVerse tried to stay away from the whole "the bomb made godzilla"
>Was the cause of all the nuclear bomb tests because they were trying to kill him with 'em.

>>22623143
>>22623155

Oh yeah, then why he got the atomic breath? Did Monsterverse Godzilla had it already? Look even when they tried to make Godzilla an atlantian made creature in the unmade Godzilla 94, toho later regret it, hence even 98 went for the bomb made it.

The Bomb MADE godzilla. because he is supposed to be the allegory to it, from the only country who experienced and suffered the horror of and from it, why do you think Shin and Minus made their prime atomic breath scene a blatant holocaust of death? Minus being more pogniant.

The whole "THEY WERE TRYING TO KILL IT" trite of MonsterVerse, plus the whole "oh he already looked like that before erm gee huh aah, PREHISTORIC RADIATION LOL", the same movies that wasted the Oxygen Destroyer as a memberberry

>>22623223
>why do you think Shin and Minus made their prime atomic breath scene a blatant holocaust of death
Because they had actual writers and directors.

ok why did the burgers and nips nuked the big lizard that's living in a bumfuck island in the first place?
>be goji
>hungry
>eat some fishes
>gets fucking nuked

>>22616505
Anon he recoils from this shit all the time

I wanna see Yamazaki's Gamera. He said he'd be 100% up for that shit, and I GENUINELY want to see what he'd do

>>22627322
He won't and no one cares that much for the eternal runner up if his own studio doesn't care so he's left behind.

I fucking hate the Monsterverse on every possible level
>Constantly steals shit from better Kaiju movies and never does it one tenth as good
>Only exists for hype culture retards, furry shippers, and actual children
>Guaranteed slop going forward due to being made by a fanboy
And so on

>>22627381
Here's the difference though:
I actually like Gamera

>>22619628
100%. It really sucks the energy out of the ending with the one two punch of fucking with his arc and being shitty sequel bait.
>>22620784
Yeah it was really unexpected how I watched someone fucking die and the writers just hit ctrl-z at the last second. Going to be kind of hard to take any stakes in a sequel seriously now that I know the writers are willing to undo anyone's death at the drop of a hat.

>>22627383
He's 60 and just became a really big deal so he'll have an opportunity to make films in Hollywood. Like Del Toro and Bong he'll probably alternate between that and movies in Japan so why, instead of making movies for the biggest studio in Japan, would he spend whatever time he's got making films for some second rate studio (that's mostly a publisher) about a lesser known copy of a far bigger icon? Especially if that studio doesn't even want to do anything with its biggest live action property

>>22620784
>the possible implication
You literally see the monster shit growing under her skin in the final shot, she was absolutely reconstituted with Godzilla dna

The only thing that bothers me is in the official theater subs, they keep calling the Shinden a jet fighter.<br>The Shinden even in the movie is a propeller plane, no jet engine variant ever existed, though they drew up blueprints for one.

>>22623223
>why do you think Shin and Minus made their prime atomic breath scene a blatant holocaust of death?
Because those are antagonistic Godzillas, you silly Billy.

>>22623411
They didn't know/believe he existed and just picked bumfuck island as a test site

It's a good movie but "muh sad kamikaze pilot couldn't an hero" plot was kinda dumb. Am I supposed to feel sympathy for someone who failed his job and would have been an enemy combatant if he succeeded?

>>22627892
Maybe because he actually likes the idea of it? He said he’d be up to work on that a few months after Minus One came out

>>22627892
People accusing Gamera of being a knockoff always came across as a really disingenuous statement made by people who have surface level knowledge of the character and what he’s all about from a glance. I partially chalk it up to cultural differences because Gamera is way more popular in his home country than he is in the west.
At least that’s what I think, you’re welcome to think otherwise

>>22623223
Monsterverse Godzilla pisses me off because they legit can’t just have him be an intelligent animal with immense power and instead have him be some Gaia Theory nonsense even when that actively makes his character confusing as hell.
They tried to make him more morally acceptable without changing his actions, but did it all wrong by stating that he’s selfless and blameless even when his actions repeatedly contradict that statement. Hell, he’d actually be MORE likable and relatable if everything he did was because he had very personal reasons for it. And it would make a lot more sense. This whole Balance thing feels more like what Kong does ironically.

>>22628196
>an enemy combatant
Americunt spotted. You're on the wrong board.

>>22628366
He does it because no one else could do it. Well him and Mothra. If the world is his home then he's being rational trying to protect what he loves even if it kills him without expecting anything in return. Kong lives his life on easy mode compared to him.

>>22628354
He's that other guy. Forever stuck in Godzilla's shadow. Now more than ever. And whose own studio doesn't know what to do with him or is unwilling because they know they're just chasing Godzilla's coattails. So no one could possibly expect it to be more than "oh, yes I remember Gamera. I like Gamera" It's not even a real choice when you actually get to choose her. You get the Gamera gig if you didn't get Godzilla or it somehow didn't work out between you and Toho. It's happened like twice already.

>>22628625
If I were a director I’d honestly turn down a Godzilla offer. Because what hasn’t been done with him?

>>22628576
Look, if he was just protecting his home I’d get it but they keep insisting on adding this LE NATURAL BALANCE shit to him

You ever have a dream you swear was real but then it wasn’t?<br>That’s the atmosphere I get from Kaiju shit for some reason

>>22622249
>in the long run it's probably the most dangerous 'zilla
Heisei going into meltdown was going to render earth uninhabitable and that godawful CGI anime Godzilla was Shin on steroids.

>>22628795
Animezilla was all cock but no cum

>>22628795
Heisei Godzilla powerwankers are the worst kind of Godzilla fans

>>22628817
They literally say this in vs Destroyer.

>>22627892
>Yamazaki in modern day Hollywood
He’ll get his soul drained out in 5 months, mark my words

>>22628821
I’m not talking about that.
I’m talking about the flaming faggots who say shit like SPACEGODZILLA CAN DESTROY SOLAR SYSTEMS WITH A FART BECAUSE OF SOME VAGUE SCIENCE
The literal most punchable kind of human being

>>22616539
Is Legendary Godzilla the one who started the whole "Godzilla charging his atomic breath"?

>>22628872
Anon the Monsterverse bought in a million newfags you need to understand

>>22628854
I'm not a retard so I can give an accurate answer. Yes, Legendary was the first to do it back in 2014. When the series relied on suitmation it was far easier to make Godzilla's dorsal plated light up all at once. They could add optical effects of making them light up from the tip of the tail but it wouldn't have the same dramatic effects. G14 made a whole sequence out of it. Minus One did the same as a homage.

>>22628924
Anon he started doing that in 1999

>>22628931
He was "cooking" his breath but without the same effect of the energy going from his tail to his head.

>>22628938
I’ve always hated the term Atomic Breath because it’s a primarily fanmade term that Toho doesn’t really use.
They prefer the term Radioactive Heat Ray or Incandescent Light

>>22628943
They use heat ray which according to some is a recent Toho invention but it's not. I don't know if they want Godzilla to seem less radioactive and if so why

>>22628953
I like heat ray more.
It’s strangely ominous rather than sounding like an anime attack.

>>22627892
Anon, you need to realize something.
A truly passionate director doesn’t take the most profitable or popular option, they take whatever option sounds nice to them.
Yamazaki doesn’t just like Godzilla. He also likes Ultraman and Gamera. A bonafide Kaiju fan. He literally made something for the former recently

It's actually pretty bold of a Japanese movie to just outright say the whole kamikaze thing was fucking stupid

>>22629036
Not really, you think it's something new?

>>22629036
Anon, that's a pretty common fucking opinion in Japan

>>22629036
>It's actually pretty bold of a Japanese movie to just outright say the whole kamikaze thing was fucking stupid
Does it really? Where exactly?
And you're wrong on the 'pretty bold' account - it would be a bold move if they glorified it instead <s>as they should</s>.

>>22629132
>Glorify an ineffective strategy
Why

>>22628953
>I don't know if they want Godzilla to seem less radioactive and if so why

He's been "less radioactive" since his second movie.

>>22629147
The fuck are you talking about

>>22629138
No strategy would have been effective back then given the circumstances. That a strategy is misapplied to a situation doesn't make it ineffective. Duh.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suic<wbr>ide_attack

>>22629036
Tsuburaya's right hand man ater the FX director himself was a would-be kamikaze who decided the whole thing was retarded and he chose to live.

>>22629152
Godzilla being radioactive is either barely a thing or never brought up at all in like 85% of his movies. This is nothing new to Godzilla.

>>22629193
Because not all godzilla are born from "the bomb".

>>22629200
I agree with that. I'm saying that even during the Showa era Godzilla's radioactiveness wasn't much of a thing.

>>22629258
Well those movies were mostly monsters fighting, there was no attempt at creating a radioactive narrative.

>>22629036
Japan has openly accepted for decades that their strategies and attitude during the WWII caused a lot of unnecessary death and strife in the name of "honor." It's the whole Nanking thing they pretend never happened.

Damn, just watched it and I liked it more than I expected. Some parts of the film felt like toku TV budget, but other parts had a lot of heart and is a good kaiju film overall. Even if cliched, I liked the <s>survivor veteran war isn't over angle</s>.

>>22628955
>I like heat ray more.
Based ULLA enjoyer

>>22623085
>>22623155
>>22628073
>>22628366
>>22628751
Thats because Gareth Edwards came in the wake of the 2010s J.J. Abrahams pastiche of ''SUBVERTING XPECTATIONS GUYS'' in some way or another.

But really, when it all comes down to, is this, this is what Godzilla has ALWAYS meant to be.

No Bomb, no Godzilla.

>>22629526
>Gareth Edwards came in the wake of the 2010s J.J. Abrahams pastiche of ''SUBVERTING XPECTATIONS GUYS''
 2014 came out before that even became a thing.
Gareth Edwards made a man Star Wars movie and did none of JJ's stuff that you said.

You speak like a YouTube essayist but without the quirky editing

I hate the atomic breath because it's incredibly overhyped. It's all he ever does these days. Godzilla used to bodyslam Kamakuras and chuck boulders at Ghidora. Now it's just breath spam with increasing amount of spectacle added to it. All for dullard, no-fun pseuds to nod their heads and sigh,"I recognize this metaphor."

>>22629839
Anon that's hardly the worst problem here

>>22629839
I don't care about the metaphors, I just love kamehameha

>>22629583
But youtube "MEDIA LITERACY" essayists are all lefties......

>>22629839
That's been a problem since the 90s. But yeah, Godzilla is more fun when he's more physical.

>>22629857
Anon, that's literally the other part of the problem

What did japan think of it when Godzilla went gator mode on King Kong in the first one?

Just watched GxK. It's just pure fucking slop and Godzilla is a side character in the movie.

>>22629928
You’re implying he has anything to offer without it being stupidly sappy

>>22629928
It's not a thinking man's Godzilla film like Minus One, but I'd say it's a solid "have in the background but can also just sit down and watch it" flick. The kind of Godzilla movie a kid would have tuned in to on TNT or SyFy while he was doing his homework or playing with action figures. Plus at least the humans were far more palatable than in GvK.

Big G going all out would've ended the movie in a dozen minutes. Skar King, Shimo, and the rest of the apes would've been fried by endless atomic pulse spam if they actually made it to the surface without Kong hanging around. Godzilla juiced himself so much that he was still in super-pink form after literally stopping an ice age.

The lore addition that the entire Kong species lost to Godzilla and got banished to Hollow Earth hell was fun, and it also that shapes how you understand his actions in the rest of the movie. He's not powering up for another title match like with Ghidorah, instead he's gearing up to quickly stomp out some unfinished business. He was preparing for ape genocide because they didn't learn their lesson and were trying to start some shit again.

>>22629928
i had to watch all the human parts in 2x speed and it was still barely tolerable. i liked kong but im afraid they'll end up making him too smart. it also doesn't help that hollow earth really takes the kaijuness out of these movies.

>>22632806
>>22632676
I honestly thought the human/iwi stuff was the best part of GxK, with Kong's journey being alright and the fights being the worst part

am I crazy

What would a Godzilla deconstruction story even look like?

>>22629928
For Kong there's the spotlight and second movie in a row. All the praise.
For Godzilla there's the same discourse over and over again if he's even a good guy and if he's getting angrier recently.

>>22632997
It's the last thing we need. Toho will go either with Yamazaki and sequel to Minus One or that guy Sato who directed all the anime movies so it may be more action-packed.
Legendary needs to finally give us a solid Godzilla performance without delegating him into the role of unsympathetic second fiddle to Kong.

>>22628196
>and would have been an enemy combatant if he succeeded
Yeah but only for like 10 minutes

>>22629132
>Does it really? Where exactly?
Uh, the whole fucking movie? Like the entire human plot is about how the Imperial Japanese government didn't give 2 shits about their soldiers and expected them all to throw their lives today in YAMATO DAMASHII to 0 effect instead of living to fight another day if it meant being a coward. It was face culture taken to its extreme, how others viewed you was more important than any kind of rationality.
EVERY conversation in the movie between veterans hammers this point home.

>>22629928
>and Godzilla is a side character in the movie.
Not to sound contrarian but that's Godzilla in most of his own movies. I don't know if suit acting was just really expensive back in the day or what, but in a giant chunk of the movies, they are 90 minutes long and Godzilla doesn't show up until the 55 minute mark. At the very least, he doesn't show up to DO anything until then. The movies have for the most part been human-focused, it's about telling a human story oh and also Godzilla is there.
I mean hell, the original Godzilla vs King Kong is about a tv station trying to get better ratings so they work through advertisement agencies to capture King Kong for the publicity

>>22632997
vs Hedorah. Because like most "deconstructions", Hedorah can be summed up with, "what the fuck am I watching?"

>>22633262
There's a reason why Wingard decided, on the day of the premiere no less, to already talk about what he wants to do in the sequel. Which is to focus on Godzilla. I don't know if he's able to. He'd probably need a lot of help in the writing room. But it's because people want more Godzilla as a character. With a story that would explore what he's all about. It wouldn't work for all versions but for this particular one it's the only way to go forward.

>>22633061
>if he's getting angrier recently
I'd be angry too if I were Godzilla. From 2014 through GxK, humans have:
>nearly created an ecological disaster by waking up some bugs
>opened up a portal to a weird temporal zone and pissed off the dragon that lived there
>broke kaiju space satan out of ice jail
>attempted to murder Godzilla right as he was gator-rolling Ghidorah straight into Davey Jones' locker
>blew up his cool Atlantis vacation home
>apparently (to Godzilla) escorted one of the rebel apes out of the shithole he had been confined to (although Kong turned out to be an ok dude)
>turned Ghidorah into a frankenzombie, gave him a tough robot body, and pumped him full of unlimited hollow earth energy just to have him fight Godzilla again
>nearly gave the rest of the rebel apes a tunnel out of their hell prison back to the surface
I know it happened over a decade, but Godzilla's ancient. Ten years for him is probably a couple hours, maybe days, for us. Imagine if your pet just kept trying to murder you, kept breaking all your shit, and then came crawling back to beg you to fix its mess right after. And after every time you think it's over and you try to take a nap they do some other dumb bullshit that you immediately have to take care of.

That's what Godzilla's been dealing with throughout he Monsterverse.

>>22632997
It would probably be something like The Host by Bong Joon-ho, but instead of it having <s>the US polluting the river and creating the monster</s> it'd show the lead up to what created Godzilla and the dropping of the atomic bombs - that being showcasing Japanese military atrocities, awful leadership, interservice rivalry, and in general leaning way harder into things Minus One only briefly mentioned.

I don't see how else you could do it. It'd be terrible and miserable.

>>22633864
>and in general leaning way harder into things Minus One only briefly mentioned.
The briefest possible, the movie went all-in on the narrative that the government and generals were the ones at fault and the boots and low level officers were all blameless victims of a system.

>>22633262
I don't actually mind Godzilla rarely appearing in his own movies, it actually gives his scenes more impact. Hell I actually liked Godzilla 2014 and how the entire movie was a build up to the atomic breath scene. But I think GxK overdoes it with Kong to the point where he has more screentime than the humans. Not that I like the human characters, they're getting more and more one dimensional and quippy with each new movie.

Post Noriko mutated shot. Asking for a friend.

>>22632676
>a thinking man's Godzilla film like Minus One
Christ

>>22633864
Wasn't think what the Millennium Godzilla was? The souls of chinks and koreans and all the Japanese invasion victims coming to life as Godzilla to get revenge on Japan?

>>22628795
Yeah but Shin was gonna eventually adapt and evolve into a universe sized giant woman, which is very typical of Anno.

I don't know if there are any Gigabash enjoyers here but they actually made Hedorah playable in a pipeworks-like game. He's pretty fun desu

>>22633864
The problem is it would turn Godzilla from a symbol of atomic destruction into a symbol of allied vengeance against Imperial Japan, which would probably sell well in a few asian countries but not in Japan itself

>>22634676
>which is very typical of Anno
Name 5 times he did that.

>>22634763
They can still end the film with Japan overcoming Godzilla to satisfy the nationalists in Japan, and dial up the destruction of Japan by Godzilla to sell tickets everywhere else in Asia

>>22634847
You could still have the US be partially responsible for it too. After the Americans began occupying, they pardoned all of Unit 731 in exchange for collecting their research. They then later pardoned *all* remaining/uncaught Japanese war criminals and Japan mostly got away scot free in that regard.

I guess at that point Godzilla would just be a vague symbol of the great injustices of WWII and the combined death, destruction, and stupidity of leaders and military rather than a reference to a specific historical event. I could see it being genuinely interesting but again probably wouldn't sell very well in either country depending on how much you bring up real war crimes and both sides being guilty in different ways.

here, though without it moving it just looks like hair

>>22635054
Godzilla being a product of Unit 731 remnants x US forces collab research is such a spicy idea I wish somebody used it already, even in fanworks.

>>22635168
Godzilla being an avatar of punishment for modern Japan in way GMK wasn't? Sure why not

>>22633910
>I don't actually mind Godzilla rarely appearing in his own movies, it actually gives his scenes more impact. Hell I actually liked Godzilla 2014 and how the entire movie was a build up to the atomic breath scene.

And you are part of the problem, fuck you and fuck that piece of shit

>>22635168
Honestly that idea itself doesn't even have to have Godzilla any more. Sounds more like a zombie plot set up.

>>22632997
>Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah (1991)
>Godzilla (1998)
>Shin Godzilla
All of these are deconstructions.

>>22635054
>>22635281
This would honestly make a fantastic dark comedy if you played it with a similar weird tone as The Host.

I'm imagining a scene where you have a bunch of American soldiers lining up Unit 731 personnel. An American sergeant asks "You did what to those Koreans?" in angry tone. The Japanese are all visibly horrified thinking they're about to be machine gunned to death by firing squads on the spot.

Then the sergeant goes "That's pretty cool" and they all laugh and shake hands. Smash cut to the title.

>>22616505
The HIJMS Takao had 8-inch guns with armor-piercing rounds of well over a hundred kilograms in weight. That's a lot more power than you can get from the tanks that normally fire at Zilla.

>>22633264
A movie that's pretty straight forward but they keep throwing weird visuals in your face. And Godzilla is the only protagonist.

>>22642513
I want a Godzilla film with the colorful visuals of Kagemusha

I want a new Japanese heroic Godzilla movie.

Why is there no new /kg/ Kaiju General thread? Last one was half a year ago. I guess it really started just to spite that one gamerautist or "gamerarager" if you will.

>>22648393
Fuck generals. /m/ is not /vg/ and should never aspire to be that.

>>22609483
I liked it. It's a bit schmaltzy and obvious, which is about what I expected.

>>22648355
If it's true that the guy from all those anime films may direct the next film then maybe. But right now there's even a big issue to make the American Godzilla heroic enough. That huge fight fans had over his character recently it's because some just can't deal with the idea that Godzilla can be portrayed in more than one way.

>>22648393
>AAAAAA I CAN'T TALK ABOUT A TOPIC IN THE THREADS ALREADY MADE!!! I NEED A GENERAL TO BLOGPOST WITH MY DISCORD FRIENDS!!!!!

>>22650393
What is with people and wanting a heroic Godzilla? Is it just the inability to like him unless he's a super sympathetic sad boy?

>>22650697
It's because some versions establish him to be that or are perfect to go into this direction while other versions aren't.

>>22650699
Honestly, I'm extremely adamant about a "Hero" Godzilla because it feels like they run the risk of inviting even more undesirables.
You know the kind. The kind that see him as some brooding bad boy with a moth GF, which is an interpretation that was so forced that the MV made it canon just because of sheer public opinion crowd mentality


Anonymous

Rayearth OVA is truly a criminally underrated and forgotten mecha OVA, all because it deviated from the source material (magical girl) and became a full fledged mecha OVA that’s hyper violent and hyper sexualized. If you give it a fair chance, it’s actually pretty amazing.

I gave it a fair chance. It was mediocre.

I can't get into rayearth. The story looks average with inoffensive generic characters. I wouldn't know, but it looks unappealing to me.

>>22632749
Yeah. the TV series is overall not very good, though with some incredible highlights like the last two episodes. Easily Hirano's worst until the 21st century. But this OVA is good.

>>22632756
The TV series is a magical girl anime with some mecha mixed in, but is still a shojo anime at heart and was made for a young female audience. The OVA however has the typical characteristics of a 90s OVA (monstrous animation budget, grimdark setting, gratuitous violence and gore, and hypersexuality) and was made for an adult male audience. It’s actually quite a stark difference.

>>22632749
I watched it before the original.

And yeah, I watched it.

>>22632749
I thought it was pretty alright good. I wonder if Clamp was carrying on from some X vibes when they made it.

>>22632769
Shouldn't this OVA's existence alienate the initial young female audience?

>>22632769
>hypersexuality
That's a stretch
>>22632805
No. Girls love edgy shit.

>>22632808
>No. Girls love edgy shit.
Well, X was popular for a reason.

>>22632968
>Manga sold more than 12 million copies

>>22632805
>Shouldn't this OVA's existence alienate the initial young female audience?
Young female audience generally wouldn't be buying expensive home video in 90s Japan.

>>22632749
I'm glad to see someone else appreciating the OVA, but I feel you exaggerate about the darker aspects.
Its just that this adaptation has a noticeably more melancholic tone to it. The three girls are established to have already been friends and have to part after graduation at the beginning of the story, the entire plot takes place within the nighttime streets of Tokyo and the invaders from another world are actually undead.
Its pretty great, I only didnt like how dominant the animal aspect was in Hikarus Mech design. It makes it feel like they are turning into a giant rather than piloting a magic based mech mech.

>>22632987
But they would be renting it from rental stores.

I just don’t get why to make Eagle of all things the main antagonist. He was never truly evil in the show and here he just feels out of place.

>>22632749
I watched it, and it's just an exact retread of Iczer-1 with Rayearth characters. Super disappointing.
>>22632808
It had more nudity than Iczer-1, which was literally based on a loli yuri hentai manga.

>>22632749
What Caldina and Presea would have been on this...........

Didnt they released a re-edit of these OVAs in movie form? with new scenes or was it just Wikipedia's bullshit?

>>22632769
Nah you make it sound like its the 1986 Fist of the North Star movie.

>>22633227
There’s no nipples, everyone has Barbie doll anatomy. I barely count this as “nudity”

>>22633227
Nudity is not inherently sexual and certainly not hypersexual.

>>22633034
>I feel you exaggerate about the darker aspects

NTA, but...

Zagato is tricked by Eagle (who is now Emeraude's brother) into committing ritual suicide.
This frees up the way for Eagle to use his mind control powers to force Emeraude to use her powers to warp between worlds, allowing Eagle to conquer them one after the other.
Eagle has turned basically all of Cephiro's populace into entombed mummies, magically kept alive as ethereal wraiths to continue their worship of Emeraude (which is apparently needed to sustain her powers as Pillar?)

When they first arrive on Earth, Clef realizes this is where the legendary alchemist Rayearth hid his Mashin - the only thing capable of thwarting Eagle - and he makes a runner for it. This is when Eagle sends his bloodhounds Alcyone, Ascot and Ferio after him.
Ferio is just a random hitman in this continuity. And although Alcyone is still Clef's pupil, she had no love for Zagato. Her service to Eagle is strictly out of self-preservation, buttering him up, moving up in the world; and probably to convince him she's more use to him alive than as another undead mana battery.

Hikaru's first altercation with Alcyone, who now also has a Mashin, reveals this continuity's Mashin rely on a type of magical man-machine interface that features direct feedback. Move as the Mashin moves. Feel what the Mashin feels. Get physically hurt as the Mashin is hurt.

For your consideration: Alcyone's Mashin is a cat and Hikaru's Flame Arrow spell ends up setting its fur on fire and burns it out to a crisp while it keels over and howls out in pain.

>>22633034
>>22633348 (cont)

When Umi and Seles face off against Ascot, it's revealed that he's a monster. He didn't take to summoning monsters as his friends because others bullied him; he did it because they were tools that were easy to manipulate. And were expandable. Like pawns on a chessboard. Which he promptly illustrates by sacrificing them in a bid to slip past Umi's defenses.
And he comes very close to winning and drowning Seles and her until she actually turns the tables and manages to lethally wound his Mashin, which promptly blows apart in a massive explosion blowing chitonic exoskeletal shell and biological goop a mile wide. While the scene of his death closes, the remaining smoldered and bloodied tatters of his trademark turban-like hat are shown descending down to earth, carried on the remaining winds of the blast.

Ferio deserves special mention when he faces Fuu. He's a poison-mixing sadistic son-of-a-bitch in this continuity who, iirc by his own admission to her, enjoys paralysing his victims and then slowly physically and mentally torturing them 'til their death - like plucking the wings off a fly and dismembering it leg-by-leg.

>>22633348
This is actually much lighter than Fushigi Yuugi, a shoujo manga. For one, there is no rape, including homosexual child rape. No virginal powers that disappear once the priestess loses her virginity. No flaming homo crossdressers. No energy exchanges via sex.

>>22633227
>It had more nudity than Iczer-1

It had sexless barbie doll anatomy you absolute retard.

>>22632749
all u need is love my nigger
I love this fucking OVA, I think they went for an apocalyptic setting because everyone thought the world was gonna end by 1999

>>22633674
The manga was serialized in Lemon People, a lolicon magazine, so yes.

>>22632749
This OVA deserved a proper remaster. Then again, with Moozzi's disgusting filters, you can't tell if they actually did or not.

But yes, OP, I agree with both you and >>22633227
It's a very good OVA, and I love it to death. However, I'm more than willing to recognize that it's also another case of "Hirano hijack", where he just recycles the ideas of his two succesful titles (Iczer and Dangaioh).
Also, it left me wanting more.

[Moozzi2] Magic Knight Rayearth OVA - 01 (DVD 1024x768 x.264 AAC).mkv_snapshot_34.15.095.png

And I'll post a DVDrip version, for comparison's sake.

Rayearth - 01 (DVDRip 720x480p x265 HEVC AC3 2.0)[sxales].mkv_snapshot_34.16.997.png

Why were OVAs of existing series so often alternate universes/retelling for a long time? Ryu Knight, Escalflowne, every Getter OVA, Tenchi Muyou (though the OVA was first), Battle Athletes... hell I'd argue Endles Waltz encroaches on this a little with the retconned mechanical designs even if it commits to the original story.

>>22633963
Because the brand was still profitable even if the story from the original was over

>>22633963
because that's the business model they followed, do you think there's some deep conspiracy or something? fucking stupid thing to ask

>>22633963
They didn't sell full series VHS sets in Japan for some reason, in most cases, but did sell OVAs, so there probably was some push to make the OVAs standalone stories.

>>22633625
>I think they went for an apocalyptic setting because everyone thought the world was gonna end by 1999
That was a popular setting in the 70's, 80's , 90's generally

>>22633993
Or retell the same story with a higher budget

>>22633993
VHS tapes of older TV anime preceded OVAs.

>>22634108
Yeah, of course that post made no fucking sense

>>22634112
>4 episodes of v gundam
i expected 2 to 3 episodes a set.

>>22634108
They existed mainly for rentals, most series didn't get full VHS releases for consumers, even big ones like Dragonball.

>>22634115
>most series didn't get full VHS releases for consumers, even big ones like Dragonball.
That's honestly hard to believe

>>22634115
Curious where you heard this? I would have to check, but I think I've seen adds for a quite a few LD, VHS and VCD sets of full TV series in old anime magazines.

>>22634124
Was just looking through second hand listings, Metal Jack got VHS tapes. This one is the 9th volume.

>>22634130
All of Votoms for 81,000 yen.

>>22634124
Well, I was going mostly by what I know from other series, like I said, the big one is Dragonball/Z one. It had no full home release (for consumers) in Japan until the DVD era (which even caused trouble with the Japanese audio for DVD releases elsewhere before they actually released it in Japan).

I hadn't really checked Sunrise's series though, although I know they had some full Laserdisc releases already in the 90s.

>>22634170
Toei are kind of awful with film preservation and home releases - so that may be something localized to them. In my case - I've seen anime VHS that specifically said :"For sale" and ones with two prices, one for consumers and one for shops , I don't doubt that the opposite could happen, I just wonder how common it actually was?

>>22634115
It's says for Sale & Rental in the very series, for the very format you posted, you fucking idiot. Are you on drugs?

>>22634121
>>22634124
Because it's bullshit, that's why.

>>22633359
Part of Eagle's deception is that Emeraude is tricked to believe Zagato's mummified corpse is still his live self who is deep in slumber. Iirc there's a throw-away line or two in there which imply that she still attempts to ... console him.
<s>Chicks dig rigor mortis, I guess?</s>

>>22633989
That quite literally doesn't answer the question. Why was it the business model?
>>22633993
Good answer.

>>22635249
>>That quite literally doesn't answer the question. Why was it the business model?
Because it worked.

>>22632749
It would have been better if it was a canon true ending to the TV series and not some AU fanfic that has nothing to do with the source material.

>hyper sexualized
lol, they're just naked when piloting the mecha, that's common even in mecha series on TV. They don't even show nipples when they could've gotten away with it since it's an OVA. Also it's a reference to their magical girl transformation in the series where they're naked.

>>22633354
>>22633348

And CLAMP approved all of this?

>>22639124
They have stated a fondness for money.

>>22639124
As another anon mentioned before, it's the usual case of Hirano appropiating another property to himself, just as he did with Iczer.

>>22639124
They openly promoted the OVA in the manga

>>22639124
Clamp were big fans of Hirano's work.They are a bit different from other shoujo mangaka in that otaku oriented and shounen anime was a really big part of their taste, they started off doing Kurumada and Nagai doujins.

>>22639124
CLAMP hardly intervenes in anime adaptation of their manga. This has always been the case.

>>22634221
>Complete Yawara manga
Why hasn't Viz released this in NA? Are they giving it their Adachi treatment, a.k.a. afraid of sports sub-themes?

>>22647252
Older manga rarely seems to get reprints


The 00 movie is conceptually interesting, has real consequences, and was a perfect thematic conclusion to the show.
The characters are a bit lacking there though because all of them completed their arcs in the series.

SEED Freedom was enjoyable, I think it has some great writing when it comes to showing the growth of Kira and Shinn, but a lot of the other characters got sidelined HARD. It's also a very fanservice heavy movie(I don't mean sexual fanservice), which is fine for the moment, but I don't think it will age well. The CG is off-putting, and it seems like the main conflict was basically just a soft retread of Destiny.

Sadly, the one with more hand-drawn mecha.

>>22626706
The latter because it's recent, uses superior CG over shitty drawing, and is the best Gundam universe that trumps even double blow.

/thread.

They both reflects the strengths and weaknesses of their respective series for me.

00 is probably better at actually making some attempt at exploring/doing new things with its scifi elements, but SEED is better at having a clear narrative throughline and lots of fanservice.

Speaking of the scifi elements, it feels like the world of SEED barely matters at this point. For example Naturals vs Coordinators seems completely skin deep at this point, replaced by Coordinators vs Accords in the movie (because possibly unintentionally, basically everyone doing stuff in Lacus's faction is a Coordinator aside from Mu), which might be a clever turnaround if it didn't just come off as the Coordinators killing off the biggest threat to their superiority while talking about how wrong genetic determinism is.

>>22626759
>replaced by Coordinators vs Accords in the movie
Did you miss the ZAFT coup d'etat and the Coordinator support for the Destiny Plan?

>aside from Mu
Add him to the list, since he has Newtype powers.

>>22626706
Awakening of the Trailblazer is a bad ripoff of GaoGaiGar with pretentious preaching about understanding, so SEED Freedom.

>>22626759
>Speaking of the scifi elements, it feels like the world of SEED barely matters at this point.
Yeah it's a shame that SEED basically drops any serious investigation of its sci-fi ideas after the first series, because the coordinators were a really interesting concept and the series barely scratches the surface on them.
I wouldn't mind a future AU revisiting the idea.

Easily SEED Freedom. The BEST Gundam Movie ever. <br><s>I'm not even memeing.</s>

>>22627038
>>22627038
>goes deeper into Setsuna's character
Makes him into an even bigger space jesus than Kira
>new good gundam designs
S1 gundams had much better designs.
>Tieria getting some character development
Nothing memorable outside of him crossdressing and "dying".
>Lockon getting his revenge
Lyle was a cheap replacement and Ali should've died in S1
>Nene got what she deserved
Only for Louise to become new worst girl
>best gundam fight and most satisfying ending in all of gundam
Cheap fanservice fight and the finale was overwritten by a mediocre movie.

>>22626820
>Because the Coordinators were a really interesting concept and the series barely scratches the surface on them.
Given the bits that we know about Coordinators and their sterility issues there is a good chance they will eventually reach a "dead end" of sorts and will either re-integrate with Naturals willingly or otherwise, or die out since they cannot SCIENCE their way out of the problem and are too stubborn to swallow their pride.

>>22626706
00 is the better show and AoT is the more consistent movie for building on a good show. However, SEED Freedom does much more to improve Kira, Lacus, and Shinn as characters than AoT does for Setsuna or anyone else in its setting.

>>22627365
>Makes him into an even bigger space jesus than Kira
This isn't a negative thing and you don't seem to fully understand why that criticism works for Kira and not Setsuna. There is nothing inherently wrong with a character being a "jesus'' figure.
There's a difference between a story which intentionally seeks to create a savior figure as in 00 where religion is a core idea in its writing and Setsuna becoming a savior falls in line with many of its ideas versus SEED which in its text tries to avoid that, but ends up falling into it due to a lack of oversight.

I think the fact that you misunderstand this means the rest of your criticism is likely just as ill-formed.

>>22626730
I don't think the movie is going to age poorly it's not following the zeitgeist at all in the first place, it's very inline with how SEED was 20 years ago and was meant to come out not long after Destiny. As for the conflict basically being the same as Destiny it does a great job at showing the problems of the Destiny plan and what it would really entail.

>you live long enough to see /m/ become the SEED board
He's truly unstoppable.

>>22626706
00 by a mile. It's not even a contest. The plot, characters, designs is on a whole other level.

SEED F is more "fun" though and knew exactly what to give it's rabid fanbase and then some.

>>22627424
/m/ literally exists because of SEED. It's always been a SEED board.

>>22627441
This was disproven like a decade ago or so and yet some people still push this lie.

>>22627410
>I don't think the movie is going to age poorly it's not following the zeitgeist at all in the first place
It is though, the nostalgia for SEED is just a trend right now because the series is 20 years old and the people who watched it as kids/teens are looking back on it.
The movie has a lot of callbacks and basically functions like a Gundam SEED version of the Code Geass movie or Avengers Endgame.
Its success is running off hype and nostalgia, but I think years from now someone watching the SEED saga for the first time will look back and not really see anything too substantial.

>it does a great job at showing the problems of the Destiny plan and what it would really entail.
This was already done in Destiny. They don't add any new insight in this film we didn't already know.

>>22626706
I still have to see the Seed movie, but based on the series alone, 00 > Seed

>>22626706
00 and it isn't even close. I'm still mad that Descartes was killed off so fast despite a fair bit of promo material pretending he was important, and Tieria is thoroughly wasted, but I would take that any day over more nugenix bullshit out of Seed.

>>22627519
>Descartes
He should've been a much more prominent character.
I feel like the movie could've had another subplot with him and Setsuna both being Innovators but butting heads about how to deal with the ELS.
Like a final battle where Setsuna tries to reach the core to do the qunatum burst while also fighting Descartes who is trying to annihilate the ELS.

>>22629467
>while also fighting Descartes who is trying to annihilate the ELS
well that might be kinda weird because EVERYONE else including Al and Lyle and Sumeragi and the ESF were fighting the ELS so if Setsuna was gonna attack Shaman just for fighting the ELS then it sounds stupid

>>22629481
Have it take place inside the planet after Graham sacrifices himself to make the opening. Setsuna and Descartes are sent to deal the final blow and blocked off from everyone else, ESF's goal is total annihilation, but Setsuna believes there's another way due to his earlier contact with the ELS.
Descartes fights him over this.

Can some someone explain what the "We are GUNDAM" line actually means in context? It sounds like such a fucking stupid line that I cant imagine making it sense, from what Ive seen Im worried about watching OO and finding out its just some Robot Battle Anime.<br>Its not like Amuro talking about "The Gundams Power" or Usso shouting out "Climb to the Heavens, Gundam!" as a plea to their machine and symbol of hope to help them achieve Victory in a moment of desperation, "We are gUNDAM" sounds so fucking stupid, Gundam is just a name, it doesnt have any profound meaning on its own.

>>22634531
When Setsuna says "I am a Gundam" it's in reference to what the gundams represent in Anno Domini, which is to say an end to war, and once the revelation of what excessive GN particle expossure does to humans the phrase "I am a Gundam" transforms into "I am someone that can change the world/myself", so by saying "We are Gundam" Setsuna is declaring that "We have changed/are changing"

At least, that's a basic interpretation

>>22634531
Setsuna views Gundam not just as a machine, but an ideology/religion.
He is essentially a Gundam Jihadist fighting a holy war for Gundam.

>>22629467
>I feel like the movie could've had another subplot with him and Setsuna both being Innovators but butting heads about how to deal with the ELS.
There's definitely a remnant of that idea in the movie, but it's a bit of a stretch to consider it so since Setsuna never actually meets Descartes and he doesn't have that switch to "muh understanding" mode until after he comes out of his coma.

>>22636618
Instead of killing him off, they should've had Descartes be the only survivor of the ESF expeditionary force that is sent out to contact the ELS. He loses people he cares about in that attack and wants revenge on the ELS.
After the pick him up he aids CB in their initial attempt to attack the ELS and comes aboard the Ptolemais to refuel after the battle where Setsuna is put into a coma. He joins them on their trip back to the Earth sphere.
Along the way he interacts with the crew and they notice despite being an innovator he's very different from Setsuna.
Descartes has innovator communication with Setsuna in his coma and they talk about how to approach the ELS, Descartes wants Setsuna to help him wipe them out, but Setsuna remarks that maybe there's another way.
At this point there isn't any animosity between the two.
Movie basically continues as is until the final battle. While Setsuna is still in the Coma Descartes launches in his Unit and fights the ELS along with the CB Gundams. Setsuna wakes up from the coma and launches. Then everything proceeds and >>22629555 happens. Descartes is either killed by Setsuna, or the ELS during the battle.
Then Setsuna does quantum burst and the movie continues as is.

>>22634531
He was a child soldier and during one failed operation, cb intervenes and a gundam saved his life. Note that setsuna was like 15 in the first season and genuinely mentally handicapped

>>22627365
>Makes him into an even bigger space jesus than Kira
No, it fucking doesn't. The fuck?

>>22627470
>This was already done in Destiny. They don't add any new insight in this film we didn't already know.

I'd say it definitely does with the Accords, who are a great example of what people raised in the Destiny Plan at the very top of genetics would be like, and they're a bunch of arrogant sociopaths high on their own farts that think the lessers are beneath them and want to rule everybody because their genes say so and they've been raised their whole lives with Aura preaching about the power of their genes.

So it just effectively created another Logos type group, except instead of being above everyone else because of their money they were above everyone else because of their genes. So it proves without a doubt that the Destiny Plan will never bring total peace, at least not long term because it will eventually just create another group of oppressors with no empathy for who they see as others, just with the shoe on the other foot this time. All this had been speculated for years, but the movie conclusively proves it. In effect it should put to rest the 20 year debate on whether Durandal was right or wrong, and the answer was he was wrong. At least for rational people, as there's still at least one vehement Kira and Lacus hater who insists Foundation are really the good guys.

>>22627519
>>22629467

I'm pretty sure he was always just a misdisrect to try to make the trailers seem like there was gonna be an actual face bad guy of the film and not just a bunch of metal blobs that never speak. Same reason they showed off the ELS Ribbons clone who lasts about 30 seconds in the film.

>>22626759
>>22626775
Seems like Murrue and Neumann were forgotten. They're 100% Naturals too, you know, alongside Cagalli, Miriallia, Sai, and some of the others working officially or unofficially alongside Lacus.

>>22627470
Considering the staff themselves were shocked by how many new and young fans they've seen show up for the movie meant for older fans, some who haven't even watched SEED before according to some interviews done with early showings, I think you're in denial. For better or worse, SEED Freedom has proven itself legitimately successful. Successful enough to get Bandai to reconsider expanding upon select successful AUs and fleshing them out much like they did UC.

>>22638023
>Successful enough to get Bandai to reconsider expanding upon select successful AUs and fleshing them out much like they did UC.
They were already doing that for years prior to this with Wing, SEED and 00.

>>22626706
00 Gundam had the issue of Innovades being able to change their gender and falling in love with humans. Even though they can't give birth or have children.

Seed Freedom has the issue of incest. Since the Black Knights are siblings and Ingrid falls in love with her brother Orphee.

>>22626706
The show itself is like comparing Apples and Oranges. Both are completely different and appropriate to the IP they represent. But what i can compare is the battle scenes.
And 00 had better battle scenes. The final battle with the ELS is more exciting and exhilarating to me.

>>22638053
Not with animation though; they explicitly mention expanding AUs with new animation.

>>22626706
00 has the advantage of giving an actual conclusion, but I dislike the way the themes were handled. A war where everyone battles mindless flying nails is not exciting to see. The main mobile suit appearing at the end just to open a portal and be gone is not exciting to see. So I found FREEDOM way more consistent and fun.

>>22626706
00 was only good when it was inverting UC tropes, which it stopped doing at the end of S2. Trailblazer then goes in the complete opposite direction and ruins what 00 had going for it. One of the most infuriating movies I've seen.

SEED Freedom is rushed and a little too comedic, but is otherwise good.

>>22626706
Trialblazer would've been better as it's own season instead of a movie. It ends up being the same as S2, wasted potential.

S.Freedom is sloppy, but it know what it is and embraces it. After what happened with Destiny, it's definitely an improvement

So yeah, I have to go with S.Freedom.

>>22640344
>wasted potential.
how? The premise of the movie wouldn't last a season

>>22627038
Nene did nothing wrong though.

>>22640366
It very well could've been. It could've returned to the tense atmosphere the 1st season had while giving more time to lay out the groundwork for the innovator vs human wars and implementing some of the ideas they apparently have for the next project. It was a huge missed opportunity that we didnt get to see how they actually dealt with getting people where they needed to be but biggest of all, it would have given time to show Setsuna being brain damaged for longer than a second and wouldve given him an opportunity to recover sooner than the literal last minute. I like the movie but it could have been so much more than it was.

>>22627038
Based as fuck, love yourself 00 enjoyer

>>22627038
>Does away with the political background plot and mystery the first season was building up
>Mister Bushido has absolutely nothing to do but fly in, fight Setsuna, then fly away and no motivation to do it
>Despite being revealed to the world, having their secrets and technology leaked, hunted by the world government, and having their flagship destroyed, Celestial Being's underdog status and severe lack of finance and resources is no longer a major plot point
>Setsuna's crisis of faith and coping with past trauma are easily solved by him becoming a magic superman
>Marina's arc about trying to lead a country in the midst of a religious upheaval and her having played a part in the war Setsuna fought in as a child is dropped early on so she can play with kids for the rest of the show
>After Wang Liu Mei's role of the Gundam Meister's financial and information support ended in the first season, she spends the entire 2nd season standing around doing nothing and then dies
>Allelujah goes from balancing a personality crisis with having killed his fellow super soldiers before he was even old enough to drink in S1, to having a stock "My Cyber Newtype waifu keeps trying to kill me, maybe if I yell her name enough times she'll decide to stop" Gundam character arc
>Saji Crossroad's arc of the first season of being a regular civilian who has everything taken away from him by the horrors of war, thanks to Setsuna and co. Is angry for maybe one episode and then forgives Setsuna and hangs around the ship doing nothing important aside from also yelling the name of the other Cyber Newtype waifu in hopes she'll stop trying to kill him
>Lyle Dylandy starts off S2 with a pretty decent first showing about how he's not Lockon, Feldt shouldn't expect him to be like Lockon, but then after that proceeds to just be basically the exact same as Lockon, except now he also has yet another Cyber Newtype waifu who betrays him and he has to yell her name so she stops trying to kill him

>>22626706
G-Witch did it better than both.

[SubsPlease] Mobile Suit Gundam - The Witch from Mercury - 22 (1080p) [4ED07A91].mkv_snapshot_15.15.895.png

I am better than both. Why the fuck do we even discuss shitters like these when we could be talking about me and my interesting life instead?

>>22640479
Everything about the series would have been 1000x more enjoyable had Setsuna gotten with Feltd by the end.

[Rip Time] Evangelion_3.0+1.01 Thrice Upon a Time [1080p][Multi Audio][Multi-Sub].mkv_snapshot_02.24.27.722.png

Gundam SEED (not Destiny) is my favorite anime ever, but FREEDOM is arguably the worst sequel of all time, it has no respect for its characters or setting, it's just riding on nostalgia and festival feeling of the theatre experience.

It was sold as a love story between Kira and Lacus but they hardly interact or learn new stuff about each other, the movie ends with them loving each other and not wanting to fight, just like at the start of Destiny or the movie itself. It just uses cheap drama to create tension and the only way it creates the drama is by making Lacus act like an out of character retard for 1 hour of the movie.

Athrun gets like 3 scenes and is someone with 0 personality, people complained about Shinn being "Kira's puppy" but I felt he's probably the better one of the three in the movie and he's definitely my least favorite in the series, his scenes are fun and he can back up his talk instead of being a whiny idiot.

The Accords were a waste of screentime, nothing is explained about them, none of them have personality, Fukuda even admits he didn't think about anything and it shows.
Durandal at 18 looks the same as he did at 32 and was already wearing his chairman attire for some reason.

>>22627038
Season 2 gives more screentime to this annoying faggot. So it's worse by default.

>>22646669
So basically...it's a garbage marvel movie.. instead of an anime Gundam film.

>>22640546

I disagree. Setsuna is fucking based for staying locked in on the mission instead of chasing pussy like every single gundam protag, so we don't have to suffer cringe teen romance(side cast do this job pretty well anyway).

>>22650878
That's a fare point. But would've he made him more fun and interesting during his end point if he did slay at least once.

>>2264054
I can't disagree. Don't know why him and the princess chick lost track and interest in each other in the end


What the fuck was that<br>I understood virtually nothing that happened, the ending seemed rather abrupt and there's still a ton of loose ends all over the place.

>>22648975
>I did not pay attention and have no patience for the next season

Literally just watch ZZ Gundam you retard that's what it's there for

If there's anything that made no sense in Zeta it was Reccoa's motivations. What was her problem?

>>22649135
She gets sexually assaulted at Jaburo (implied when Kamille rescues her and Kai), tries to cope with realizing that sex differences are real by idealizing her identity as "a woman" and being treated by a man in particular gender specific ways due to it,. Char himself has the view of "there is no gender in the military", his words, so that doesn't work out, Scirroco figures her out and with a mixture of Newtype influence and regular manipulation gets her to betray and act as his subordinate, by the time she realizes what is up she is too far gone and has to just double down and keep deluding herself until the end.

>>22649180
Doesn't the flashback imply she was always kinda a piece of shit?

>>22649518
No, her past was that she was someone that fought in a resistance force against Zeon during the One Year War and as a result of how many battles she had to fight she wanted to go on dangerous AEUG missions for the adrenaline rush
But this snowballs into what happens at Jaburo

>>22649529
Thats what I was getting at, but I get what you're saying.

>Lieutenant Emma: Kamille Bidan, let's do it!
FUCK

>>22649529
It's also possible she ha survivors guilt from her time of the oyw


Helps me find a mecha of my childhood

This is a little like throwing a bottle in the sea, but here it goes.
When I was a kid, around 2005/2006, I bought a little mecha toy in a shop in France.
The design in my memories reminded me a little of the psycho Gundam, though I don't think it was it and it's still pretty vague. The color palette was similar too, as I remember it being a bit bulky, having some yellow details and mostly being either black, dark grey or dark purple.

The toy was pretty small, and made in some kind of metal, it barely had any articulation
I don't think I have it anymore, and it's being almost 20 years, so I struggle where to find. I don't remember it's name or the brand.

So if you anons could help me, many thanks. I can't say if it was an actual mecha from a show or just a toy/bootleg.

>>22643459
It's not Grendizer/Goldorak, I remember it being a lot more bulky/military-like. Grendizer/Goldorak is more "human-shaped"

>>22643475
Probably an old Super Sentai DX toy.

>>22643510
could be, though I don't remember it having some blue on it.

>>22643433
>black with yellow details
>bulky/boxy
>small toy with little articulation
>metal
Probably Bio Robo from Bioman, or some other 1980s Super Sentai mecha, the frenchies got a few of the shows long before Power Rangers came into being.

>>22643652
It wasn't him, I don't remember red being on it, though I do remember seeing Bio Robo in a shop a long time ago so thanks for the memory, it's a design I always liked

My best guess is this, the Brockary from Xabungle<br>it had a model kit released in 2005 as a pack in with the SoC GX-28 Xabungle, which was a diecast figure, so I'm betting on the fact that you mixed the two up. There's only so many anime robots out there, so if it isn't this, you may want to consider that it might have been a bootleg or something

https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page<wbr>=post&s=view&id=7665252

Good luck OP

>>22643433
>small, metal, almost no articulation
Sounds like an older toy, from like the 1970s/1980s.

>>22643433
>some yellow details and mostly being either black, dark grey or dark purple.
>>22643665
> don't remember red being on it,
Hmmm. Sounds more like a bad guy color scheme than a good guy one.

>>22643475
>It's not Grendizer/Goldorak, I remember it being a lot more bulky/military-like. Grendizer/Goldorak is more "human-shaped"
So do you mean it's more blocky, rather than having mostly rounded shapes?

This is a tough one. Maybe Olson's Orguss or perhaps the Nikick? (Both from Orguss)

>>22644018
Bismarck isn't a bad guess, but he said it didn't have red.
>>22644103
Dancouga is a possibility, but I don't know if they ever made little toys of it, especially little metal ones.

>>22643433
Maybe one of the old "Godaikin" toys?

>>22643433
This comes to mind, but I can;t find where they made a toy of it.

>>22643433
My guess would be the Mini Godaikin Leopardon. It's got a bit of yellow but it's overall black and blue. Also it's only 3.75 inches high, made with metal since it's a Godaikin and has little articulation.

If it's not that then at the other mechs in the Mini Godaikin and see if anything's familiar.

>>22643433
Dammit OP look through our suggestions! I'm dying of curiosity over here

>>22645779
Sorry anon I was unable to be here for a bit
I have being trying to track down my old toy box than we I was a kid and old pictures, but no luck yet beside finding back my favorite Bionicles I thought was sold.

>>22643764
It was a single mecha in the box so It can't be it, I have a vague recollection of that.
>>22643784
I don't think it had wings, only some kind of backpack, and I don't remember any red on it
>>22644018
was more bulky than this
>>22644103
I don't think so, it didn't had any sword or wings + I don't think they ever did a small toy of Dancouga
>>22644283
I don't think it was an older toy, it still was sold in the early-mid 2000s and I remember the box not looking really old. I do think it's more likely it was a bad guy then.
When I mean more blocky, I mean it more "gundam-like", if that make any sense. >>22644297
Like I said before it had no red on it, or at least not big parts of it based on my memory.
>>22645402
I fucking wish considering I love Zanscare MS but no
>>22645412
i actually remember seeing Medabot back then but it wasn't one
>>22645421
I know it wasn't Leopardon based on my memory
>>22645425
Doesn't look like it, I remember the box not being very colorful.
>>22649561
Nope

Itd be very funny if it actually turned out to be a small bootleg of the psycho gundam after all

>>22650509
>I don't think it was an older toy, it still was sold in the early-mid 2000s and I remember the box not looking really old. I do think it's more likely it was a bad guy then.
>When I mean more blocky, I mean it more "gundam-like", if that make any sense.

Hmm. Interesting. Early-to-mid 2000s... and I assume it wasn't from Transformers?

Also, if it was early-to-mid 2000s I wouldn't expect it to have a lot of metal -- unless it was a pretty darn expensive toy.

>no luck yet beside finding back my favorite Bionicles I thought was sold.
Well that's a win right there!

I'm thinking a Super Sentai/Power Rangers robot seems likely. but if it had no red AND no blue on it, that's gonna eliminate most robot toys right away. Google these and see whatcha find, OP:

Providus (aka Transwarp Megazord)
Time Shadow (aka Shadow Winger)
Gao Hunter (aka Predazord)
Wolkaiser (aka Catastros)
Gouraijin (aka Ninja Storm Thunder Megazord)

Also, if it was pretty small, made of metal, and had barely any articulation, I could also see it being something from Machine Robo (aka Go-Bots). There are a million of those little guys. Coulda been from Machine Robo Rescue...

>>22650795
I don't think it was a Transformers, I won't like that I don't know much about the franchise, but it wasn't transforming in anything (Similarly, it likely can't be a machine robo/Gobot due to this.)
I don't think it was costly, so it was likely something similar to metal but not exactly it, there's plenty of similies. But I remember it wasn't regular plastic, because it has some weight.

I also know it wasn't a Megazord, because I already had a shitload of those thanks to my brother.

I was going to say the reissue of the g1 insecticons back in like 2009 or whatever, but if u don’t think it’s a transformer then idk. Plus those didn’t have much red, just a couple of red stickers


/M/ Art

I hope this isn't rude OP, but to ask, are you a regular?<br>That aside, I always am fascinated by this sort of thing, namely because it lets you filter out and focus on some of the western artists who may or may not actually care about machines (much less giant robots) and who are rarely, if ever, enabled to actually make moving pictures involving them because the west simply does not care for it.

>>22634743
>>22634753
Slop slurpers please go and stay go.

>>22634759
This is a garbage AI knockoff of this classic piece by artist Alex Ichim.

>>22634768
That version looks more like AI than the other one

>>22634768
I legit don't get AI guys sometimes. Some guy in another thread described it well, it's like people trying to describe their dreams or some shit. Disappointing.

>>22634771
It's from 2014, back when airbrushing combined with photobashing was starting to take off.

https://www.deviantart.com/alex-ich<wbr>im/art/Gunship-436644392

Point is the AI is doing a garbage paintover of an original work, and it's blatantly obvious.

>>22634771
Nigga >>22634759 doesn't even have symmetrical air intakes or landing gear. Everything about he side nacelles are completely busted, there's two assymmetrical rows of boosters facing the wrong way, every single written piece of text on the thing is gobbledygook, the surface details on the entire thing are all pure clutter. If this is bait, congratulations.

>>22634781
If someone posted the original for the first time ever yesterday you'd immediately accuse it of being A.I. and rightfully so. Not that it matters either way.

oh so it was just another AI shilling attempt

>>22634791
No, I would not, becvause if you use your eyes it is both apparent and even obvious the original is not AI. Genuinely consistent details, legible, readable writing, actual logic with all of the parts depicted (e.g. both sides have symmetrical missile/bomb pods),an actual signature, and legitimate use of DOF distinguish it from an AI image. You are free to feel how you like but I would like to respectfully ask you not to tell me what my eyes are looking at.
If you must enjoy your slop could you please do it elsewhere? I like looking at actual artwork.

>>22634771
You’re an idiot and the reason why art is dying

>>22634855
Metal Slug called, they want their tank tracks back

>>22634971
How about posting some actual art instead of crying about stuff you don't like. I mean I get that a board made for giant robots and decades old japanese cartoons so a little bit of autism is to be expected, but crying about something you deliberately baited into being a subject of discussion because you assumed it would be present in a thread due to the subject matter is just childish.

Pay no mind of course to all the other A.I. content in the thread that you've offered no criticism of or which directly contradicts your somewhat dated standards for what constitutes "obviously A.I."

>>22635319
Dude, that's just a screenshot from an Anime, I get that the definition of "Art" is broad in this context, but maybe get a touch bit more creative. At least this scribbled piece of shit >>22634755 was drawn by someone's four-year-old.

>>22635326
Well, yes, I didn't "offer criticism" to all of the AI shit in here because I was replying to people saying stuff. It would do me no good to go mass-replying and whining even more. I can barely parse your second sentence: what the fuck did I do, exactly, to bait anyone? I responded with mild outrage to a ridiculous statement by an anon and listed the reasons for my disappointment, when contested I responded again with my logic as to why the response I was given I considered wrong. Where is the bait? If you want me to take a shot at identifying everything ITT as AI or not AI directly I can try for you, but arguably, would that not be even worse, seeing as it would be mass-replying while complaining?

>>22635355
I like how your counter to A.I. art is low res screen shots of old ass anime. Do you really have nothing else to contribute to the thread with? Or is just listening to yourself talk good enough.

Blow-Hards like you are all the same, you come in swingin' with hip-pocket arguments then the second you get the least bit of push back you start back-peddling and moving the goal post coming up with every excuse for your own low effort off-topic grand standing. Or maybe you'll go the route of pretending you don't really care despite obviously feeling compelled to post in the first place and going to great lengths to defend the authority of your opinion. Heck, maybe you'll pull a, "lol I troll u!", but either way your contribution to this thread will be nothing more than seeing who can get the last word in.

/m/ in a nutshell, "everything sucks", but you'll be damned if you provide an example of anything that's good because your greatest fear is being put in a position open to criticism.

>>22634735
 I've got a whole folder of Transformers model sheets. I

>>22635355
So shitposting gundam reaction images is your high ground. Says alot really.

>>22635372
I prefer toyline concept art myself.

>>22635371
Anon, not only did I not post any anime screenshots except for the reaction image I just used because I am tired of nonsense, but I am genuinely fucking baffled by your wall of text. I will attempt to respond to every point made in it, just as I did previously.
If you want me to back up my statements, I can do so, if you so request it, which you have not. Would you like me to do that? I have gotten pushback from you or whoever multiple times and responded with rationale as to why I hold the opinions I do. I do care, and I don't even get how you could say I backpedaled or grandstood or whatever. I have been trying to respond to your statements as directly as possible while maintaining my points. Why the fuck are you on about "last word in" when I have quite directly asked you a series of answerable questions?

>>22635373
Not Gundam.

Why are you responding to the baiting AI jeet.

>>22635453
I made the dire mistake of trying to reply to AI niggers in good faith with actual logic.

>>22635453
Not them but those fuckers are everywhere. You can't go to any other board that isn't filled with slop bullshit. /m/ is one of the few intact boards. Wouldn't be surprised if those kinds of posters are GPT bots themselves. Doesn't help that jannies are taking money from these AI fucks. I almost guranteee that's why they got rid of the IP counter. So yeah there's a good chance that these bots are arguing with themselves or the actual humans are just arguing with bots.

>>22635463
>So yeah there's a good chance that these bots are arguing with themselves or the actual humans are just arguing with bots.
Anything to drive "engagement", I guess. A shame it comes at the cost of killing any real person's interest in a board.
>>22635462
Art thread, only way to combat it is to post real art.

>>22635463
Personally I think the IP counter removal is just election year prep but I wouldn't be surprised if those turbo faggots really were in cahoots with the mods and shitting this place up even more. Dire fucking days.

>>22635468
I kind of did want to do this but my problem is that I don't want to get tangled up in a slop thread. The problem is, by not engaging in a slop thread or posting real work, like you say, you sort of automatically give ground to the AIfags in some way even if nobody but themselves actually likes slop.

In a way, I already got tangled in the slop thread, just not in the "posting artwork" sense and more in the obvious replying to bait sense.

dropfile .to-TVa1Qo6 (replace - with slash).jpg

>>22635381
If only post '86 Transformers looked anything close to these concepts. Everything in that picture looks fucking sick. Here's some cool stuff from Masterforce,

Are there any good western mecha artists worth following?

>>22635609
Some of my fave western mecha-centric artists
https://x.com/Daylight44492/media
https://x.com/TheCountofS/media
https://x.com/Decacommand/media

>>22635373
>gundam reaction images
Watch more anime.

>>22636097
It's all AI dude, it just ain't nice.

>>22636110
C'mon man, what'd I just say?

>>22636131
That one is a bit kibbly I'll admit, but I'm not exactly sure what the overt avertion to such pieces are outside of the principle of the matter? Most A.I. art doesn't look any worse than the low res air-brush photoshop stuff from the late 2000s and early 2010s.

also, >>22636075 the middle one isn't even A.I.

>>22636142
Are you particularly in the habit of lying on the internet?

Fuck's sakes you AI "people" make me retch.<br>Not going to go over how this one is obvious.

>>22636145
>>22636148
So you only dislike it because you know it's A.I.? Otherwise the image would be fine, but it's just the principle of it being a product of machine learning? I mean, that's your choice.

Also, did you guys hear that adobe is including text-to-art tools in photoshop? Man, it's getting easier and easier to make art and the A.I. is getting better and better. Not sure when it will be past the uncanny valley, but it's only a matter of time.

Hell, for all you know you're talking to an A.I. chatbot right now.

>>22636166
No, I dislike it because in general it doesn't really seem pretty or thoughtful or indicative of anything. If you like it, that'd be fine, but it's mixed in with actual art by people I like seeing. I think that's a tremendous pity, but if you like it, you could at least try to be honest.

>>22636171
Fair enough, I'll try to post it sparingly if at all.

>>22636166
>So you only dislike it because you know it's A.I.?
Anon maybe YOU are the problem as a disingenuous retard, who thinks people hate AI art on "principle" rather than the thing being connected to people who lie constantly.
>Man, it's getting easier and easier to make art and the A.I.
You are not making shit though. You copy and paste the work of an algorithm while dishonestly gaslighting that "you" made something. And in the process of it all you push forward the most lazy, bottom of the barrel generation possible. You could have at least put in some effort into generating it with a few passes instead of flooding the board. You could have just admitting to yourself that you have nothing to contribute.
Anon, do you want a secret about humanity? Do you know how you can stop the average rando from hating you about AI spam? Put in some effort that could be respected. That is it. Loudmouths shat on digital artists until the average normie learned that you still need to put in effort and skill into it. People would get pissed if you saved a picture off of google and then lied to them that you are the artist. Google or AI, it is the same. Type in some words into a bar and "save as". So just put effort that people can respect. Until you do this, you will be shat on.

And if your big "own" is generating an image that fools a person then your argument is not "oh you just hate it on principle" it is "if i lie well enough i magically start telling the truth". Which is bullshit and people will hate you more forcing you to lie more.
Put in effort that can be respected or nuke the value of the fiction you try spamming with AI.
Why financially reward some lazy fuck that bought a graphics card? Why respect a work that was done by no one when anyone can enter a tweet worth of prompts into a publicly accessible generator?
Have a Girlgoog for your troubles.
TLDR: If reading is a problem then ask chatGPT to read it out for you.

>>22637756
I would like to add to this. One of the saddest things to me about AI content in general is that is makes it worthless for me to come here, or really anywhere. When I watch media, or read anything, or use a Laotian traditional song and dance wax cylinder emporium like this one, I do it because I am trying to enjoy works and thoughts that come from my fellow human beings. AI content, I can get people liking it, but on a very fundamental level it isn't anything I can draw from. The lying and cajoling from AI guys certainly doesn't help.

>>22637756
>>22637867
Welcome to the dead Internet, here everyone is an artist.

>>22638062
>and when everyone is an artist... no one will be

>>22638100
Now you're asking the right questions

>>22637756
its really funny when AI people bring up photobashing and artstation-slop as a "you cant tell these apart from AI!" gotcha, as if there was never any criticism of that type of thing for being formulaic and boring prior to the AI generation boom.

>>22638281
Then don't use it as an example of a superior man-made art form

>>22638953
this shit fucking sucks and you have zero taste though. there's nothing else that needs to be said

jesus this guy is gonna spend the rest of this thread spamming le epic cyber skulls huh

>>22635371
> for your own low effort off-topic
You’ve already completely derailed the thread with your own low effort slop slinging so this is a pretty ironic claim

I kinda wished this thing showed up as an actual Angel. Too bad it never showed up in the anime proper, though judging by its design it kinda did in a way, given how much it looks like an MP Evangelion

>>22634788
>the water is static and without ripples
Ouch

>>22636166
>So you only dislike it because you know it's A.I.?
There's nothing complicated
It looks like bottom of the barrel gutter trash but with "high production values"
That's what gets generated by neural networks in most cases of generation

Maybe you wouldn't be treated like a complete smoothbrain faggot if you had tried to post something that's not just revolting to instincts and sense to aesthetics
Either way most people would rather not see any AI pics than a "best case scenario" proportion of 1:100 "fine":"vomit with maggots writhing in it"

>>22639711
I think you guys just like to hear yourselves speak. It's like a reddit thread of batman villain monologues reading you guys prattle on about your nebulous dislike of an artistic tool.

At a certain moment i thought fuck all and started to bash Klimt and FSS as it was everything i needed

>>22639719
contentedness with AI art belies a fundamental misunderstanding of the value of human creation, and genuinely makes me think less of someone as a person. for a website that uses the word slop to describe any and everything i have no fucking clue how they decided that a software stealing thousands of original works and putting them into a blender for mass production is somehow okay.

>>22640216
>stealing thousands of original works
That's not the problem here.

>>22640224
The problem here is the mass production, vomiting out 500 identical renders filled with technical competence and (0) unique ideas.

 that said the sampling is absolutely a problem for the the people who made the art.

>>22640250
Yeah but as a consumer that's a non issue (short term).

>>22640255
refer to the first comment. you're thinking like a consumer, not a human. what a deplorable sentiment.

>>22640285
Unless you are a creator yourself that's literally all you do, consume the content you see.

>>22640293
Firstly, I am, on a professional level, a creator. Secondly, you don’t need to make art to appreciate its value beyond what someone would pay for it. This again belies your concerning misunderstanding of the importance of artistic expression. Even my normie friends with normie jobs can understand the fundamental difference in value between a piece of artwork, made with purpose and meaning, and a pattern regurgitated on pixels using machine learning.

>>22640305
>Firstly, I am, on a professional level, a creator
Then get fucked, lmao.
>the fundamental difference in value between a piece of artwork, made with purpose and meaning, and a pattern regurgitated on pixels using machine learning
Sure, I don't want to see AI shit being mixed with human made stuff.

>>22640328
>Sure, I don't want to see AI shit being mixed with human made stuff
Great job, you’ve ceded the entire point of this argument. Get it out of the thread.

>>22640351
? I'm not your boogeyman, I hate AIslop as much as anyone else.

>>22640352
Don’t pick up a retards cause or say retarded things if you don’t want to be confused for a retard

>>22640359
>retarded things
You are the one that thinks the problem is the poor starving artists that "get their content stolen".

>>22640365
Art has an unquantifiable but unarguable value. The unquantifiable part confuses slow people but the fact of the matter is that someone who puts work into something requires compensation from the people who enjoy it in order for them to keep making that something. The sentiment of AI “Owning the artfags” is the product of seething normies cutting off their nose to spite their face.

>>22640374
>Art has an unquantifiable but unarguable value
Most people wouldn't pay anything for it, art is pointless in a starving society.

>>22640918
By that retarded logic anything but flavorless protein paste is pointless. But no one lives like that so stop pretending like you do.

>>22641042
>no one lives like that
Plenty of people do.

>>22641055
no, they don't. even the most impoverished people all through history express themselves, and denying that is willful ignorance. deprivation of the opportunities to express themselves have occurred, they're called human rights violations.

>>22641158
>nuh uh that's not true I can't hear you lalala

King Salmon is a personal fave of mine (sucks I had to compress this before posting it.) Here's a site with a bunch of his art too.<br>https://salmon.atomova. eu/

>>22641249
Those filters make his stuff seem more amateur than it already is.

>>22641289
In what way is his work amateur? The dude's a phenomenal painter and animator, that painting above is leagues ahead of the vast majority of generic ArtStation garbage

>>22641289
Typical /m/ contrarian forever driven by the xenophobic need to gatekeep content.

"Filters are amateur hour, A.I. is shit, Photoshop is for hacks, Western Art is cringe, etc." Of course you won't show us what you consider to be good, no, that would leave you open to criticism, yours is only to bat down the tastes of others forever maintaining nebulous and unatainable goal posts. Even if we were to correctly guess what kind of sub-par drivel you think qualifies as "good', you'd deny it simply on the principle that it couldn't be proven. Your only interactions online most likely consist of these knee-jerk reactions that you have no intention of ever backing up in good faith discourse.

Forgive me if this seems like an overblown extrapolation on my part, but I've danced this dance too many times so forgive me if I cut to the chase and spare this thread umpteen hundred responses of pseudo-intellectual posturing trying to get the last word by retreating ever futher into logical/argumentative fallacies. Even if I've missed the mark on a few details, the overall 'gist' of the assessment is sound.

>>22641317
>>22641550
>>22641591
Damn if you told me King Salmon posted here I'd have been much harsher with my critique.

I really like his non-giant robot designs

>>22641591
why are you comparing photoshop or filters, modifiers and streamliners in the production of art to AI, a button you click that generates the art for you. don't slip that in like its comparable or respectable.

>>22641847
Don't expect honest arguments from an AIfag. They'll start bringing up retarded shit like how AI is going to have infinite potential like cars but they'll suck your dick and the government is going to be forced to hand out free money in the form of UBI because it can do everything so all the jobs will be replaced while accusing you of being a seething artist if you disagree.

>>22641914
ai has peaked, anyone who knows anything agrees that wetware computing is the only way we can move past what current AI is capable of, which isn't that impressive anyway once the novelty is gone

>>22641847
Adobe has incorporate A.I. art generation into it's latest version of photoshop.

>>22641914
I'm sensing there are some more deeply rooted psychological issues here than just the ethical quandries of artificial intelligence...

>>22642992
Nah, A.I. is still improving at a frightening rate, people have been claiming it's peaked for the last six years now.

>>22643227
>people have been claiming it's peaked for the last six years now
Not really.

>>22643241
Saying it any point in time is just silly when it's been demonstrably shown improving year after year. There's no technical or technological ceiling, so long as the machine learning improves, so too can the product. It's what makes it scary.

AI can't make good mechs though. It only knows how to make battlemech with a terminator head since that's all it's ever trained on.

>>22643264
>There's no technical or technological ceiling
Now that's just silly.

>>22643363
Literally, yes, but practically speaking, no.

>>22643349
I mean, to Gundam fanboys, everything that isn't Gundam looks like Battlemech. Just because the robot ain't pretty with little frills and pointing bits doesn't mean it's Battlemech.

>>22643227
> Adobe has incorporate A.I. art generation into its latest version of photoshop.
Don’t be disingenuous. There’s an obvious difference between saving time creating something and having something created for you. You know where the line is I don’t have to spell it out for you.

>>22643376
If it looked like a Titan or a Valkyrie or an orbital frame or an AC I’d notice. Maybe battle mechs are generic?

>>22643227
improving at a frightening rate? like getting worse at answering questions the more it learns?

>>22644668
Whatever helps you sleep at night after a long day of voicing your unsolicited opinions about A.I. to anyone will listen online.

>>22644054
Maybe you just have a preference for weeb shit. No shame there, that stuff can be top notch. You like what you like. A.I. can be trained on whatever you want too so you could even make Gundams that look more generitc and kibbled with busy detailing than what they already do (I mean no disrespect, there's some cool shit in that franchise, but if you've seen one Gundam suit, no matter the series, you know it's a Gundam: "Oh, it's the new Gundam Anime, this time the Gundam still looks like a Gundam but now has even more extraneous lines and pointless transforming features and superfluous lighting elements. Oh and we've also brought back gimmicks from previous installments in the franchise except done less well than their originator!").

I knew who Thomas Cole was, I knew what a Saturn Return was, and I knew what Beargguys were. Did not expect all three in one professional painting.

>>22648835
I'd call this silly, but a ton of effort went into this. Quite serene.


>>22616868
pretty nice little show
<s> also I don't know why more shows didn't have a gynoid get a flame/hotrod color scheme </s>

pretty good show overall. i like the episode where she couldn't stop speaking japanese. in the japanese dub, they reversed it, she can't stop speaking english

Would be a better show if they had just cut Sheldon

>>22619115
>now remembering Zone's flash parody
Classic

>>22621272
I liked Sheldon and I like his mech suit alter ego.

>>22616904
A robot that can transform and fights other robots of various sizes and sometimes from space is pretty /m/

>>22616868
Do you think the guys of this show watched Mazinger Z before they made this character? Her theming and the story beats of her second episode feel like they were taken from Lorelei.

>>22628343
I personally doubt it, considering when MLAATR came out at best they'd probably have crabsticks or Tranzor Z.

>>22628076
Yes, correct, Vega is also superior to "QT2"

>>22616868
xj9's a cool character. Had a crush on her as a kid.
Fun show otherwise.

>>22629902
>Had a crush on her as a kid.
you're still a kid.

>>22629904
anon teenage robot was mid 2000s, kids from back then are in their late 20s to mid 30s

>>22630886
Anon I do believe he's not calling you that kind of kid

>>22628343
As far as I know MLAATR's main /m/ inspiration was Astro Boy, but her episode made me feel something as a kid
Maybe it's possible because I never realized how much they paralleled each other, but I think American gen x weebs into /m/ media were watching Ultraman, like that one PPG episode

>>22621252
And Kotono Mitsuishi is her voice. D0AR0

>>22632875
Not /m/, minus that car mecha Timmy's parents build or the mechs in Korra

>Models all her robots off the stages of child's life
>Shuts them down and keeps them in a lab whenever they're not of use anymore
>Takes a while to accept Jenny as family and her daughter
>Will probably still shut her down once she makes a more advanced X-J unit
Maybe the Cluster are right

>>22632949
Why is Nora such a sociopath, not even the most detached scientist locks up their child in a basement, let alone 8 of them.

>>22636765
All scientists are evil scientists

>>22636765
>Why is a Britbong a sociopath?

>>22630827
bandai pls
just this one time let me have this

>>22650309
She had an official Hatsune Miku crossover recently, which is doubly ironic since Nickelodeon doesn't care about her and tried to snuff her show, but I think Vocaloid fucking crossovers with literally everything


Was Galatt a good way to do a mecha show to a younger audience?

>>22647478
It wasn’t meant for a younger audience. It was a raunchy gag series in the vein of Dr. Slump. The target demographic was no different than your average Real Robot show. That would be something like Hikarian or something.

>>22647573
>in the vein of Dr. Slump
Dr Slump was literally aimed at young kids, younger than Dragon Ball even

>>22651163
Americans have this weird concept of """adult humor""" where anything that isn't Teletubbies or Steven Universe levels of coddling is considered "for adults".

>>22651163
Shonen Jump is not for toddlers. Comic Bon Bon is.