mighty strike freedom manual

so the forehead beam is a matter annihilation weapon

>Originally intended for Rising Freedom Gundam.

Furk here we go again. Is it really that hard for them to keep track of this shit. They had 20 years to plan it all this time.

So let me get this straight:
in order to prevent corrupt people from using their gigantic death lasers, Kira creates and utilizes a portable death laser that zero drawbacks, and it's not even strictly just for deterrence because he ACTUALLY uses it to destroy a gigantic death laser along with several lines of ships with people in them?

How did we went from Jesus Yamato to Emperor Yamato?

>>22644921
Yeah but he built it so that he and Lacus need to be in agreement before they can use it which theoretically prevents him from misusing it.

>>22644921
>He ACTUALLY uses it to destroy a gigantic death laser along with several lines of ships with people in them?
Messiah (assuming that's the gigantic death laser you are talking about) was already non-functional since it crashed an year ago and the three "ships" it sliced were just giant DRAGOONs

>>22644921
Dunno if they explained this, but if the Rising Freedom was supposed to be the cutting edge MS that the Proud Defender was meant for at first, why is the ultra death beam placed on the outdated Strike Freedom? Were they just gonna equip it with that and then shove the thing into a warehouse somewhere if nothing bad went down?

>>22644862
I haven't watched GSF, but why is COMPASS has Lacus as its president but also under Cagalli's leadership?

>>22644924
>Ib4 but Lacus and Kira are always in cahoots and they'll do whatever they ask of each other.

You sure about that? When it seemed like Kira had lost it and was going against everyone's wishes on the attack Lacus though reluctantly ordered him taken out.

>>22644921
If I remember correctly at the end of Destiny with the confrontation with Durandal, he basically vows the gloves are off from now on when it comes to fighting to protect what he believes in.

>>22644935
Cagalli is leader of ORB, she's just really pro-COMPASS which is this interpol-like organization. A lot of the first half of the movie is them trying to figure out how to please all world leaders to maintain the peace.

Though honestly the movie never slows down to explain it in detail because it's not really that kind of movie.

>>22644932
We'll probably have to assume that whatever Proud Defender is powered by and Rising Freedom's battery weren't enough to power the death laser while both Proud Defender and Strike Freedom (now with Fusion) do

>>22644935
Compass works under the authority of a joint Orb-ZAFT-EA agreement, Cagalli is the lead member of that group and has the most direct interaction with Lacus, who is head of the organization itself and runs it's operation.

>>22644932
>>22644953

It's because of "Developmental delays" which can either mean Rising took so long to be ready they modded the Strike Freedom for it instead or the Proud Defender took so long to be ready that they had to complete and roll out Rising without it. It's possible Rising had a non functional Disruptor built into it the whole time.

>>22644963
Pretty sure it's the later, Proud Defender isn't ready to be fielded early in the movie

>>22644942
Those first impressions upon making Compass are rubbing the wrong way on everyone, so they intentionally made a handicap and shelved the Proud Defender because that was powered by its own nuclear reactor. Along with those lines, the data was sent to Orb to upgrade the hacked-up Strike Freedom to carry a weapon only the Proud Defender can unlock, and all its weapons are heavily upgraded to possess new names.
>The Xiphias 3 Railguns have been renamed the Volans Hasta
>The Super Lacerta Beam Sabers have been further upgraded to the Acuta Lacerta
>The Calidus Multi-Phase Beam Cannon in the chest has been switched out for the Tvashtr Hyper Impulse Gun
>The unnamed beam shield and CIWS guns have been switched to branded ones (the Picus II head-mounted CIWS, and the Egregie Beam Shields)
>What is unchanged for the Type-II are the High Energy Beam Rifles (they are the exact same models as its previous incarnation) and the Super DRAGOON backpack, which happens to have beam shields installed, making it a melee, ranged, and defensive weapon all in one

>>22644948
>>22644956
Weird wording in that blurb then. The Story section mentions Lacus but the COMPASS section makes it sound like Cagalli's the leader.

I'm just holding my breath for SRW to give us a Mighty Rising Freedom, because the Rising Freedom got done dirty by the movie.

>>22644973
Unlikely, but at least Rising will presumably get alot more focus in SRW since it will probably be the main Freedom unit for most of the game. Assuming they don't get really lazy about things again and just have Mighty Strike Freedom only.

>>22644972
I think it's meant to mean Cagalli lead the group of people at Orb-ZAFT-Atlantic Fed who worked to establish the org
In the movie she's the one of the three reps that wants to give Compass the maximum benefit of the doubt when everything goes sideways, but the other two withdraw authorization and ground the Millennium.

>telepathically controlled nanoparticle field
>matter destruction beam
Mighty Strike Freedom or Perfect G-Self, which is more busted?

HAHAHA INTENDED FOR RISING FREEDOM PEOPLE WERE SAYING IT WASNT MADE FOR IT LMAO

>>22644862
Guess I’ll have to wait for G Gen or something to get Mighty Rising.

>>22645150
Mighty Rising... Maybe Rising Mighty Gundam makes more sense since Fukuda took Kamen Rider Kuuga as a reference.

>>22645150
>Eternal was supposed to be Mobile-only
>Still no new news about it

I think it's getting reworked as a sequel to both Crossrays and Genesis.

Any mockups of Rising Freedom with Proud Defender?

>>22645169
Hopefully they make it into a console game.

>>22644862
This doesn't make sense.

Other databooks say that the Strike Freedom Spec II's disruptor cannot be used without Proud Defender pack connected.

>>22645208
>Other databooks say that the Strike Freedom Spec II's disruptor cannot be used without Proud Defender pack connected.
That doesn't conflict with what's written in the picture.

>>22644862
All this info is based off of the novel which was based off of an earlier draft of the outline/script of the movie. It's why it doesn't exactly line up with the film.

>>22645214
You don't have a source for that. You claimed that, not the source.

>>22644862
The way I personally read this is that they originally thought of using Proud Defender Pack with Rising Freedom early in the design process. Then realized it wouldn't work and switched it over to Strike Freedom.
Then Rising Freedom was built as a transforming mobile suit instead.

>>22644862
This is really dumb

They said in other sources that the defender pack needs two nuclear reactors to work.

It can't work with rising freedom
They can't get their shit straight

>>22644862
>intended for Rising Freedom
Are they following the seed novel for the gunpla databook? Remember the seed novel said that the battery powered Immortal Justice Gundam was much stronger than Destiny Gundam and Infinite Justice Gundam. This was absolutely not true after watching the movie. I have no idea how Immortal Justice is supposed to be stronger than Destiny and IJ.

>>22645225
All of the known nuclear Gundams before the Black Knights made their own are basically ancient to modern standards, and not just because of the Junius Treaty, because nobody else can move it the way the original pilots could due to their natural impracticality. The Spec-II upgrades received act like handicaps to get them on an equal playing field against the Femtech-equipped suits.

>>22644862
All of this info is from the Seed movie novel. It's like they just copy and pasted most of it, and just added a few little extras. What's the point if this gonna be this lazy?

>>22644932
>>22644963
Could also be that SF was used as a testbed for the weapon too, so there might have been two superweapons built, but RF's was non-functional due to the lack of power and control systems. Erica Simmons did mention that Orb had secretly upgraded the SF, IJ, Destiny, and Impulse while using them as testbeds for new technologies.

>>22644921
Not only that, he decided they were deserving of being blasted with fucking ANTIMATTER

>>22645269
And only Compass can share the test data of the Proud Defender to Orb also as a trade secret. That's why the Type-2 was part-overhaul when it was repaired from being hacked apart by a Rud-ro.A.

>>22645269
Well Rising Freedom doesn't have the disruptor according to the novels and gunpla. So we can't really go that route. It's essentially a Murasame with Gundam technology applied to it.

>>22645192
Rising Freedom actually looks pretty good with the proud defender. I might just go ahead and get the X-wing to put on Immortal Justice to see how that looks.

Just showcasing the various 3D models used from SEED Freedom (not sure if they are recreations of the same models or are from the 3DCG modeler for the movie themselves).

>>22645303
Fuck, forgot link.
https://x.com/name6less9/status/179<wbr>3605910977474965?t=puzH-9sgMKK7GieJ<wbr>0lqrnQ&s=19

I feel like people forget that SF was basically decommissioned and mothballed at Orb. It wasn't in active service or even on ready reserve, it's not one of Compass' units. Erica Simmons getting them back online and available to use was a surprise to everyone involved.
Meanwhile Proud Defender was actively being worked on, with Kira hoping to get it usable as soon as possible. The only unit it could possibly have been being prepped for was RF.
Now maybe you could speculate Proud Defender would have been less effective with RF, maybe. But the other stuff you can immediately observe in the movie itself.

>>22645299
I like the SF design more than the RF but the blue of the RF looks very good with the Proud Defender

>>22645326
It doesn't make sense because Strike Freedom was upgraded with the Disruptor, and Kira was already 100% aware of how to use it. He even had a software lock installed to prevent unauthorized use.

>>22645326
More of a very big surprise to Shinn. Less of a surprise to Kira.

>>22645336
>He even had a software lock installed to prevent unauthorized use.
How does Kira have a software lock to prevent the disruptor being used, but not have one to prevent unauthorized pilots? Does anyone else see the irony in that? The basic story of the Freedom Hijack makes no sense at all. There better be a darn good explanation here.

>>22645326
>>22645336
>It doesn't make sense
You know what also doesn't make sense? How did Shinn know about the Zeus upgrade for Destiny Gundam? He clearly didn't know Destiny was rebuilt. But then suddenly knew about the Zeus upgrades? Make up your mind Fukuda.

>>22645341
I thought the Freedom hijack was done by an authorized pilot?

>>22645341
Why was Strike Freedom being serviced by ZAFT?

It was built by Terminal, and wasn't even scratched in the final battle of Gundam Seed Destiny.

SF should serviced by the technicians on the Eternal.

Not random ZAFT people

>>22645220
The only "reasonable" conjecture is that Rising Freedom + Proud Defender would probably lead to a much less power discharge attack

>>22645227
>SF, IJ, and Destiny are only one year or so removed from Destiny
>Ancient
Am I missing something here?

>>22645341
probably voice recognition software that they require the voice of the current compass leader's voice of approval to use the Disruptor to unlock its use

>>22645504
Cosmic Era tech progression is zany, those suits are considered a generation behind. When SF and Destiny are busted out of storage they're specifically cautioned that they don't have upgraded specs.

>>22644862
With mirage colloid Kira could teleport the disruptor into someone's cockpit.

Thus making MSF more powerful than even turn a

>>22645714
mirage colloid is invisible, it doesn't teleport

>>22644862
>Extremely quick firing speed that is hard to react to if at all
>Cannot be blocked
>Used in a suit that can utilizes telepathy to see behind objects
The only cons are power consumption, which is mitigated by not using it at 100% output. Imagine if this tech gets leaked out or if some other group develops it, and has the necessary powerplants to support it. Future CE warfare is gonzo.

>>22645784
The Strike Freedom doesn't look behind objects, Lacus does

>>22645220
>They said in other sources that the defender pack needs two nuclear reactors to work.
Where?

>>22645346

The Zeus wasn't an upgrade. If you believe Fukuda's words in an interview it was developed alongside the Destiny Gundam back in the war but didn't see use. Shinn would've known about it long ago.

>>22645550
Which is wrong because they clearly do with SF's dragoon barrier different sabers and railguns (plus all it's weapons in general getting renamed and respeced) plus the Disruptor in it's head and combination into Mighty, plus Destiny and Impulse having their VPS changed/improved as well as Destiny having it's clone spam.

I feel like this all makes more sense if you believe the statement by Fukuda that SF and IJ were supposed to be the Compass units from the start which just get totally overpowered by the Black Knights, with Rising and Immortal being their even better successors, but Fukuda decided that was played out and instead had them get new units at the beginning to get destroyed then save the day with their older Destiny era units.

Clearly not everything lined up properly after this change.

>>22645915
Welcome to Fukada, where the drama always mattered more than any kind of actual consistency or "technical specs"

>>22645037
Wasn't the matter destruction beam fired at like 70-80% in the movie and it still managed to cut an astroid base and a bunch of ships in half at a long range?

>>22645504
>SF, IJ, and Destiny are only one year or so removed from Destiny
Its only been about 6 months since Destiny ended. That's the crazy part. This isn't like the time skip from Seed to Destiny where it was 2 years. Not even one year has passed yet.

>>22645827
You are telling us that Shinn could have ended the 2nd Orb battle with a single shot of this Bunker Buster weapon, but chose not to? For no reason?

>>22646088
Considering the long targeting time using it against SF or IJ probably would have been suicide and just leaving himself wide open.

>>22646077
We'll see if they don't change their mind on that soon enough. Even the movie itself claims it's been at least a year.

>>22646088
Yeah what was the point of the Battle of Daedelus base? Why bother flying inside and doing the star wars trench run to blow up Requiem? Shinn could have just fired Zeus from above and destroyed the entire base.

>>22646100
If you are taking Destiny the series in context, that trench run didn't damage the base badly enough so Durandal could repair Requiem and use it to threaten any opposing factions. He did use it to blow up the majority of the Atlantic Federation fleet and killed its President on the other side of the Moon after the announcement of Destiny Plan.

>>22646111
>He did use it to blow up the majority of the Atlantic Federation fleet and killed its President on the other side of the Moon after the announcement of Destiny Plan.
Zeus pack could have done that in a single shot.

>>22644868
What the hell are you talking about? Have you not seen the movie? The Proud Defender is seen in literally the first scene on the Millenium where the Rising Freedom is. Kira and Albert are shown working on it to get it ready ASAP. Kira doesnt even know where the Strike Freedom is at that point in the movie. They are all surprised when Erica Simmons tells them that Cagalli ordered it to be repaired and modified after the hijacking. Please do the minimum amount of research before spouting retarded bullshit

>>22646220
>The Proud Defender is seen in literally the first scene on the Millenium where the Rising Freedom is. Kira and Albert are shown working on it to get it ready ASAP

Because Kira doesn't trust others to do the job without his supervision, thinks he's better than everyone, and wants to shoulder all the burden himself. This was revealed in his emotional breakdown scene.

>Kira doesnt even know where the Strike Freedom is at that point in the movie.

Of course he knows where Strike Freedom is. The forehead disruptor was Kira's design.

>>22646121

The Zeus is a bunker buster, not a fleet killer. It's only used on large, unmoving single targets like Requiem relays or the Requiem itself.

>>22646231
It's more of a Zeta Plus Hummingbird

>>22646220
>Kira pauses with a deadpan look and mutters "Freedom".
>OMG KIRA THIS *MUST* MEAN KIRA DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT STRIKE FREEDOM AND ITS COMPLETE AND UTTER SHOCK. THAT'S THE ONLY EXPLANATION.
Lmao. My sides.

>>22646228
>Because Kira doesn't trust others to do the job without his supervision, thinks he's better than everyone, and wants to shoulder all the burden himself. This was revealed in his emotional breakdown scene.
Your point being? He doesnt think he is better than everyone, pay more attention to the conversation between him and Albert, he knows Albert is the only one who can get it to function. Anyone with the most basic understanding of the movie can figure out that the Proud Defender is intended to be used with Rising Freedom. That's why both the Defender and Freedom are on the Millennium. How do you expect them to test out the equipment if the Millennium is out in space and SF is on an island on Earth?
>Of course he knows where Strike Freedom is

Clearly not what the movie shows. They are all surprised when they see SF and Destiny in the secret hangar

>>22646242
Had they known about the secret hangar, would they not have tried using those mobile suits rather than lamenting that they dont have any thing in that scene when they are figuring out how to get Lacus back? Why did Erica Simmons need to take them there? Kira would have just asked. Actually pay attention to watch you're watching next time, buddy

>>22646245
>He doesnt think he is better than everyone
Kira literally says so in his emotional breakdown scene after Athrun pummeled him and asks why Kira won't trust anyone and tries to do everyone himself.

>They are all surprised when they see SF and Destiny in the secret hangar
We've all seen the scene. Shinn is absolutely surprise and happy. Kira is just a serious look.

>HG manual says it was meant for the Rising Freedom
>Novel says it was meant for Rising Freedom
>Was being developed on the Millennium which only housed the Rising Freedom
What exactly is there to argue about this? Seed technical discussion on this board is painful because of how much autistic headcanon there is in these threads.

>>22646245

You are shifting the goal posts.

1. First you said Kira didn't know Strike Freedom still existed.

Then you were proven wrong when another anon pointed out the disruptor upgrade to Strike Freedom was Kira's design.

2. Now you are saying Kira was surprised.

This is completely irrelevant since we know Kira designed some of the upgrades himself to Strike Freedom.

>>22646254
If you are going to be quote the databooks, then be fully honest. The databooks say Proud Defender was originally intended for Rising Freedom. Then "sometime" (we don't know WHEN exactly) during the design process, it was switched to work with Strike Freedom instead. We don't know the technical reasons for the switch either.

>>22646257
Novelization has Kira actually surprised and is written as "looking at an old friend". He didn't know it survived and was rebuilt.
That means Erica built it onto the Strike Freedom Type-II.

>>22646262
>We don't know the technical reasons for the switch either.
DUH because they no longer had rising freedom so they modded it for the strike freedom

>>22646250
>We've all seen the scene. Shinn is absolutely surprise and happy. Kira is just a serious look.

Which makes sense somewhat. Shinn is a lower ranking guy in their organization, he probably had no idea Destiny was salvaged. He's not privy to their every secret. Kira obviously knew SF was still around somewhere, he was just mildly surprised Erica happened to have it right there at that very moment when he needed it.

>>22646257
>You are shifting the goal posts.
I am not. I didn't say he didn't know it existed, I said he didn't know where it was. They all know the SF was recovered after the hijacking incident, thats the whole reason why COMPASS owes The Foundation a favor. We dont have enough information on when the disruptor was installed. Erica tells us that they have been working on SF Destiny and the Impulse in secret. He IS surprised to see the SF there. Why would he not have demanded Erica to take them directly to the SF then? Why did Erica have to volunteer that info to them? How does that make sense if Kira knew it was there primed and ready all along? Was he playing dumb? Why would he?
>>22646254
>What exactly is there to argue about this? Seed technical discussion on this board is painful because of how much autistic headcanon there is in these threads.
Completely agree with you man. Its painful how basic shit like this is so confounding to some people.

>>22646249
Kira knew Orb had Strike Freedom, but he didn't know it was literally sitting in the hangar NEXTDOOR. It could have been at Morganraete factory, on another island, some other MS facility, or in storage somewhere in Orb.

>>22646272
Not according to the novelization apparently. >>22646267

>>22646267
>Novelization has Kira actually surprised and is written as "looking at an old friend".
Yes. Because Kira hasn't seen or piloted the suit in a very long while. He's been busy using Rising Freedom.

>He didn't know it survived and was rebuilt.
The novel does not say this specifically. This your interpretation and head canon.

>>22646272
Then why would they not go find it and get it as their next step? Why did Erica have to lead them to it? No one mentions the SF until Erica takes them to the hangar. Explain to me how does that make sense according to your understanding of the movie? Kira simply had to ask Cagalli to tell him where it is. He does not even suggest asking her.

>>22646270
People can't put two and two together.

If SF was a Compass reserve unit just waiting for Proud Defender to be ready... wouldn't literally anybody actually know this?

Kira want PD operative as soon as is possible. He only has one personal unit in active service. And that's Rising.

>>22646274
anon literally posted it >>22646280

>>22646270
>Why would he not have demanded Erica to take them directly to the SF then?

Because

1. They are wanted fugitives for violating international law and Kira went on a murder spree killing innocent pilots in Rising Freedom. The secret Orb underground facility is their only safe space they can hide in. Kira can't be seen freely walking around Orb.

2. Foundation thinks they are dead. They have cameras monitoring the entire Earth. Cameras so powerful that they can see individual people boarding different ships in super detail apparently. So Team Kira don't want to reveal the fact they survived the nuclear explosion, and want to keep it as a surprise for as long as possible.

3. Lastly, their conversation only lasted a few seconds before Erica jumped in and said she had them with her right now. If the conversation had gone on longer, Kira probably would have asked about Strike Freedom.

These are all common sense answers if you had watched the movie.

>>22646284
>People can't put two and two together.
That's asking too much of them.
It must be spoon fed to them. If it isn't, they scream about inconsistency

>>22646280
>FOR PERFORMANCE EVALUATION EXPERIMENTS WITH A NEW FUSION REACTOR AND EQUIPMENT
so she slapped the disruptor on it ok cool good job guys we solved the mystery

>>22646280
So where's the part that says Kira didn't know SF didn't still exist?

>>22646283
That's Fukada storytelling as it goes. Shit just happens. Alternatively, Kira was too busy already surrendering in his mind to consider trying to fight back so he didn't bother asking for the old Strike Freedom.

>>22646292
the part where he's goddamned ASTONISHED

are you one of those faggots who absolutely needs it spelled out for you and if there's a spelling error you say "hah it doesn't count so that means I'm right"

>>22646291
Yeah, Kira and COMPASS didn't seem to be involved in updating the Strike Freedom. She says something similar in the movie.

>>22646292
you're like one of those retards that sperg about the freedom wasnt shown hijacked in the movie

>>22646289
>They are wanted fugitives for violating international law

Kira's sister is the chief representative of the fucking country they're in. If it can harbor Djibril despite him being an international criminal, i dont think harboring Cagalli's brother is that big of a scandal. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised Orb Secret Service is tasked with their security.
>>22646289
>. Cameras so powerful that they can see individual people boarding different ships in super detail apparently
You know satellite surveillance is a real thing right?>>22646289
>If the conversation had gone on longer, Kira probably would have asked about Strike Freedom.
There wouldnt have even been a conversation if we go by what you guys are saying. He would suggest lets bust out the SF and rescue Lacus.

>>22646268
>DUH because they no longer had rising freedom so they modded it for the strike freedom
The Disruptor was Kira's design and upgrade he added to Strike Freedom earlier before the film. The disruptor will not operate without the Proud Defender equipped. It needs 2 nuclear reactors to work. Which means development of the Proud Defender working with Strike Freedom changed sometime before the events of the film. But the manufacturing process of the Proud Defender was delayed and Kira supervising its construction personally.

>>22646299
>You know satellite surveillance is a real thing right?
He's not saying satellite surveillance doesn't exist. He's saying that Foundation took it to the next level - even for the Seed Universe.

I don't know why you retards are all bitching.<br>Official material for the HG manual AND the novel say it's built for the RIsing Freedom. The literal movie has the Proud Defender on board with it at the start of the movie and Kira asks Albert about the progress on it. Novel has it literally attached to the back of the RIsing Freedom when it's being tested at the start of the movie

>>22646313
oh it was actually plugged to the rising freedom's back?

>>22646316
how fucking else can they test it? it's like those niggers who keep asking why GP02A was loaded with a nuke the night before it was scheduled for a nuclear test

fucking nobody wants to wait until last minute to try something and then surprise there are technical difficulties that prevent the thing being loaded, attached, activated, and used

>>22646299
>i dont think harboring Cagalli's brother is that big of a scandal.

Fukuda said the political world is a mess in the movie

Who knows if it's a scandal or not?

Remember

At that moment in the movie, the world thought Kira was dead.

During a video call to the other nation, Cagalli even reported Kira and many of Archangel crew were missing in action.

>>22646313
>the novel say it's built for the RIsing Freedom
No. The novel doesn't technically say that. Be honest.

>>22646310
How is the footage they show in the movie any different than the surveillance footage we see from contemporary wars? The Foundation is waiting for Orb to show it's true colors. It is logical they have the country under tight scrutiny.

>>22646313

This is the same novel that claimed Akatsuki was burnt black and all the golden armor was melted away by Requiem and Mwu barely survived? But Akatsuki was perfectly fine in the movie after the Requiem blast hit it?

This is the same novel that claimed Immortal Justice was a much more stronger mobile suit compared to Infinite Justice and Destiny Gundam? But then Immortal Justice loses to single Black Knight suit? And Destiny Gundam defeats 4 Black Knights by itself?

The novel clearly isn't canon to the what we see in the movie.

>>22646326
CAN YOU NOT READ?
>>22646313
It says the FREEDOM's back. Rising Freedom is the only Freedom on the damn ship

>>22646338
The novel is written by the person who co wrote the final movie script with Fukuda. You get an F for effort

>>22646340
maybe the strike freedom was also on the ship

>>22646326
>>22646340
It clearly meant the Freedom 1.0

>>22646342
So explain the differences then.

>>22646342
>The novel is written by the person who co wrote the final movie script with Fukuda. You get an F for effort

You can't use the novel as evidence when it doesn't even MATCH what we see in the movie.

I strongly believe everyone here denying it is doing it for ragebait. Don't fall for it and stay strong

>>22645348
Eternal was returned to ZAFT alongside most of the Clyne Faction loyalists at the end of Destiny. Yzak took the Eternal as his personal command flagship when Lacus became interim Chairwoman.

Hence, it's not surprising that the SF was being serviced by ZAFT if it was meant to have been maintained by those in the Clyne Faction. Moreso since Kira had joined ZAFT at the end of Destiny.

What is the debate here? Kira knew Orb had Strike Freedom. He just didn't know it was in the very next room. There's nothing to discuss here.

>>22646350
The novel is wrong, Goku can beat off the Big Black Cnight

>>22646363
>Eternal was returned to ZAFT
Nope. I am not the anon you are replying to but I definitely remember the movie in theaters calling Eternal a Terminal ship in big bold letters for the audience members in the theater.

>>22646283
Kira had given up and wasn't going to bother fighting back because he was depressed Orphee cucked him and Lacus ordered him killed. He's only just barely gotten out of his funk and resolved to fight back when Erica takes them to their suits. The one who bemoans they have no mobile suits that can stand up to the Black Knights (as they have some mobile suits, the hanger has several Murasame's in it they just won't be able to fight Foundation) is Shinn who someone above mentioned is a junior officer and wouldn't be privy to info like that. Kira only mentions them locating Lacus and doesn't mention mobile suits at all, which assuming he knows SF is still around somewhere makes sense as he already knows that's the solution.

>>22646291
>>22646296
It makes sense though; Orb IS one of the major sponsors for COMPASS, and it's not a surprise that they secretly tested out new equipment for COMPASS MS. If anything, SF having both a fusion reactor and the Disruptor fits with doing secretive weapons testing off the record.

>>22646368
Is this the new dogwhistle for being retarded?

>>22646338
>This is the same novel that claimed Akatsuki was burnt black and all the golden armor was melted away by Requiem and Mwu barely survived? But Akatsuki was perfectly fine in the movie after the Requiem blast hit it?

That is in the movie though. You can see it burning while tanking the beam and it's blackened afterwards.

>>22646379
Please stop being retarded yourself

>>22646338
>>22646383
Not the anon but you're right it is blackened after getting hit by Requiem in the movie.

>>22646383
The novels describes Akatsuki as almost all the gold armor melted away and Akatsuki was burnt black. The movie was not.

>>22646379
>>22646363
>Eternal was returned to ZAFT
No. The Eternal is still with Terminal. What happens is that Terminal forces show up to rescue the Zaft Chairman during the coup attempt. I understand how you are Confused since Terminal crew still wear Zaft uniforms.

>novel, model kit manual, movie all show and say the same thing
>NO THOSE ARE WRONG I AM RIGHT

What's with this one autist?

>>22646379
>Is this the new dogwhistle for being retarded?
Oh I see. You are just being a contraction to stir up nonsense arguments. You are the reason for the thread turning into garbage.

>>22646422
Before Captain Pedant arrives to challenge you on this one, yes, machine translation of the official site says Eternal was returned to ZAFT.

In the actual movie it's not. It's very unambiguously still in the possession of Terminal, not ZAFT.

>>22646424
It's Euzeth Gozzo ruining everything, of course.

I have never seen someone use a Gundam novel as evidence as much this anon does in this thread. It's pretty universally understood that novels exist as a separate contintuity. We don't use 0079 or Zeta Gundam novels in debates. It just doesn't make sense. And unlike the seed novel, Tomino actually Directed the anime AND wrote the novels himself. And even with that there are still big differences between the novels and anime. So UC fans don't bother mentioning the novels and just stick to the anime.

What makes seed fans so stupid that they can't see that? Why bring up their novel like it matters? All that matters is what we see in the anime.

>>22646462
Well for starters it's because what's shared between the novel, movie, and the FUCKING manual are all saying it's for the RIsing Freedom and it's like one or two autists baiting with "source?" and continuously given sources.

>>22646468
Novel is irrelevant no matter what it says. That's the point.

I know some of you think Fukuda is an idiot but several staff members that have worked with him have given interviews about working with him. They say he's actually a very detailed Director that is extremely meticulous. Even telling his animators to do scenes repeatedly over and over again until they do it the way he wants. He doesn't do things wildly for fun. If something was cut from the film, then Fukuda did it for a reason. Rising Freedom was not the end goal for Defender. It's clear he wanted Strike Freedom to have the Defender pack.

>>22646623
Hmm...Fukuda doesn't strike me as a fool. He has a vision in his head and doesn't get bogged down in lore and tech specs.

That's his greatest strength.

Like when he wanted Mwu to block Lohengrin with Strike. He didn't care that it shouldn't be able to do that. It's what Fukuda envisioned. End of discussion.

To him it doesn't matter if the databooks say Lohengrin would rip right through Strike with no effort.

He wanted Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice to be inferior. That's why he made them bulkier, slower, and more primitive looking. Very similar to Season 1 Gundams.

If he wanted Rising Freedom to use the PD pack then he would have done it, or showed us its possible in the movie. He didn't. Fukuda just teased a few shots of it sitting there. That's all.

I doubt Fukuda even bothers with reading gunpla databook notes or anything else.

It's why he said he doesn't care about Gundam Astray and doesn't consider it part of the seed universe.

I don't know what's up with you people. I only watch the anime. I don't care about novels or gunpla or books. Those can be changed easily. Anime is forever.

>>22646623
>Even telling his animators to do scenes repeatedly over and over again until they do it the way he wants
Is that why the Impulse transforms into the Strike in Destiny? Unless you're only referring to the production of Seed Freedom specifically.

>>22646650
You never heard of the drama of the animation team that leaked out onto. Japanese internet during Seed Destiny?

>>22646658
Not that I can recall, tell me more.

>>22646623

>They say he's actually a very detailed Director that is extremely meticulous. Even telling his animators to do scenes repeatedly over and over again until they do it the way he wants.

That's a big problem when SEED has scenes where the characters look great and others where they are a out of model mess. I get that Gundam is all about the promotional aspect but SEED especially finds its strengths in the characters, which Fukuda doesn't give a shit about.

>>22646623
>not taking interviews and what people publicly say about their boss with a grain of salt
I would only buy he's meticulous in terms of how certain things look like how in the pre-movie interview he was talking about how proud he was of the scenes where Kira and Lacus are just relaxing and living their everyday life, and less so autistic technical details and worldbuilding. SEED is full of stupid contradictions and nonsense all over the place as far as the latter goes. He loves his teenage melodrama, titty bouncing and robots doing cool poses. Honestly this is probably why Dendoh is often remembered a bit more fondly by /m/en as far as Fukuda works go.

>>22646691
>and less so autistic technical details and worldbuilding.
The difference is that some anons think Fukuda is ignorant. The reality is that he doesn't care. That's an important difference. He doesn't le himself be bound by little details.

It's like the author of Gundam Thunderbolt. He said he doesn't want to be tightly bound by UC history and what came before. It's too much history and technical info that drags everything down for him. He would only make Thunderbolt if he had permission to do what he wants.

Here's a question? How would Rising Freedom benefit from the Proud Defender pack?

Let's assume RF can use it, but in order to do so it needs to ditch its default backpack.

That means losing its thrusters, wing agility with extra thrusters, 2 major beam cannons, and the ability to transform. The only remaining remaining weapons RF has is the rail guns, and single beam rifle. The shield was largely useless. It got destroyed in a single slice by the Black Knight beam saber. Which leads me to believe it's inferior to even a basic shield.

That means under gravity, RF can't fly anymore. RF crashed to the ground when it lost one wing and couldn't fly anymore. It didn't have enough thrust.

In space, it could maybe work. But what does RF get in exchange for losing its major weapons and backpack?

RF gains the the nano bubble shield and lightning attack. However some sources conflict about whether the lightning attack would work with a single nuclear reactor. Would we have an Akatsuki-Zeus situation where the databooks confirm that Akatsuki's battery can't fully power the Zeus pack and Destiny's reactor is required for the weapon to reach max destruction potential?

There's also the issue with the Nano shield needing to absorb attacks to unleash the lightning attack. The enemy doesn't have to shoot RF. They could get up close.

At least with Strike Freedom, PD gets the benefit of a 2nd nuclear reactor. SF doesn't lose as much since most of the weapons like the beam cannon and disruptor are built into SF's main body. It seems like funnels and wings of light aren't as good anymore in Seed Freedom.

So let's assume Rising Freedom with Proud Defender pack faces against Orphee and Shura? Okay it has the nano bubble shield and a lightning attack. Let's say the range is reduced due to 1 less nuclear reactor. A big problem is that RF has no disruptor or range weapons that benefit from Proud Defender pack. It just gets some extra shields and a katana. RF + PD would lose.

>>22646732
>That means losing its thrusters, wing agility with extra thrusters,

The Proud Defender pack has those. It's a flight pack. Yes it does lose the over head cannons unfortunately.

>>22646732

>That means under gravity, RF can't fly anymore. RF crashed to the ground when it lost one wing and couldn't fly anymore. It didn't have enough thrust.

You think those wings and thrusters on the Proud Defender are purely cosmetic? Also explain how Mighty Strike Freedom was able to come down to a beach on Earth if the Proud Defender was incapable of flight.

And that energy shield and lightning attack are no joke: the energy shield would invalidate every ranged attack, and the lightning would not care about FT armor at all, and since it's all-directional it can just stand there and win.

>>22646732
>RF gains the the nano bubble shield and lightning attack. However some sources conflict about whether the lightning attack would work with a single nuclear reactor.

Which sources are those? The Proud Defender is made for the Rising Freedom, ergo it would be built with the RF's capabilities in mind, i.e. one reactor.

>There's also the issue with the Nano shield needing to absorb attacks to unleash the lightning attack. The enemy doesn't have to shoot RF. They could get up close.

Remember that the Black Knights like to start attacking their enemies by launching a crapload of missiles from their drones along with other long range attacks, which would definitely charge up the lightning attack for use.

The RF has the exact close combat layout as the Strike Freedom Type II, two beam sabers and two beam shields. And since it has the Proud Defender it doesn't have to worry about using the beam shields too much, which means the RF should be just as capable against the Black Knights as the Strike Freedom Type II

>>22646795
Different anon here. Rising Freedom only has a battery for power. Mighty Strike Freedom has 2 nuclear reactors and several supplementary electrical generators throughout its body. MSF has much more breathing room when it comes to power. It won't overheat as quickly as Mighty Rising Freedom.

>>22646819

>several supplementary electrical generators throughout its body.

And we know Rising Freedom doesn't have those because..... ?

LOL

Ok. FYI

A Gundam seed wikia editor claims to browse /m/ for and use us for information.

Now I understand why these threads turn to shit, and it feels like I'm debating someone who has literal autism.

Now I understand why any information I post here ends up on Gundam wikia. Even some exclusive scans that I've shared in the past that has a hidden watermark. Those same scans end up on wikia.

Now I understand. Let me say Gundam wikia is stupid and riddled with errors.

Japanese wikia is superior in every way.

Suck it whoever you are.

>>22646823
Considering Rising Freedom's power levels dropped like a rock in the movie with only moderate usage, I doubt it.

>>22646831
>NOOOO YOU CANT IMPROVE A WIDELY USED ENGLISH RESOURCE FOR FANS BY ADDING FACTUAL INFORMATION AND SCANS

>>22646832
The strike freedom was also pushed to its limits after a short fight with the calre.a, even with updated power sources. They simply have to go all out against the Foundation suits

>>22646837
You've spent literally YEARS ruining /m/ seed threads over useless debates. Let's take a look your horrible track record.

>Seed Energy Beams do not clash. They pass through eachother.
Wrong

>Shields can't use phase shift.
Wrong

>Seed Beam SABERS do not clash.
Wrong

I can't believe you spent years arguing this.

>Striker Packs do not use phase shift.
Wrong

>Anti-ship swords do not use Phase shift.
Wrong

>Phase shift does not increase weapon damage or cutting power.
Wrong

>Phase Shift armor cannot be defeated by physical weapons.
Wrong

>Beam Boomerangs do not use Phase shift.
Wrong

>Impulse Gundam's backpacks do not use Phase shift.
Wrong

>Destiny Gundam can't fire its large beam cannon without "holding it" with its hands.
Wrong

>Destiny Gundam's backpack weapon "clamp" holder cannot move or rotate.
Wrong

>Destiny Gundam's backpack weapon "clamp" cannot transfer power to the beam cannon. Destiny Gundam must transfer power via handplugs ONLY.
Wrong

>Infinite Justice has an inferior beam shield because the beam "emitter" does not protect itself from damage
Wrong

>Impulse Gundam's shield is just a normal anti-beam coated shield.
Wrong

>Blitz Gundam Needle Darts do not use Phase shift.
Wrong

>Freedom Gundam chest ports are guns that the animation team forgot about.
Wrong.

>Strike Freedom was left abandoned in space after the events of Seed Destiny
Wrong

>Strike Freedom ran out of nuclear power during the movie and that's why it lost phase shift
Wrong. The coolant and suit overheated.

>Eternal was returned to ZAFT after Seed Destiny
Wrong

<YOU ARE HERE>

What's next anon? What ultra hyper specific theory will you come up with next?

>>22646831
Hmm...it does explain why we have one anon who always screams about "SOURCE SOURCE SOURCE" or "CITATION NEEDED". I always thought it was very weird that he focused more on getting our sources rather than having an interesting discussion or debate about seed technology. Then when we actually do post the sources, he goes radio silent and stops discussing it at all. So it turns out he wants our sources and pictures to edit their wiki articles? That's disappointing.

>>22646845
>>22646864
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST IMPROVE THE WIKIA EVERYONE USES WITH PROPERLY CITED INFORMATION NOOO STOP IT

>>22646832

"Moderate usage", like being in combat against Blue Cosmos first including a full HiMAT burst, then getting spammed by heavy missiles from every direction, and then having to survive attacks from a highly advanced machine designed specifically to kill it.

>>22646779
>Also explain how Mighty Strike Freedom was able to come down to a beach on Earth if the Proud Defender was incapable of flight.
I am not agreeing with that anon but Strike Freedom has higher base thruster output because or its nuclear reactor. It would not surprise me if the thrusters on Strike Freedom's body match or exeeed the thruster output of the Rising Freedom.

>>22646795
>The RF has the exact close combat layout as the Strike Freedom Type II, two beam sabers and two beam shields.
All of Rising Freedom's weapons were designed from the ground up to be lower output to save battery power. So it's not the same. It's weaker.

>And since it has the Proud Defender it doesn't have to worry about using the beam shields too much, which means the RF should be just as capable against the Black Knights as the Strike Freedom Type II
If Rising Freedom switches to using Proud Defender's nuclear reactor as a power source, then it's just going to put a strain on it. The same thing that happened Strike Freedom will happen to Rising Freedom. Except it be even worse because a single nuclear reactor will be powering Proud Defender AND Rising Freedom's weapons. It will strain the reactor faster.

Does the Katana even count as a part of the package? It was designed to be used by Akatsuki and was added last minute to help counter the FT armor. The original idea of Proud Defender was just the backpack.

>>22646878
>>22646897

>I am not agreeing with that anon but Strike Freedom has higher base thruster output because or its nuclear reactor. It would not surprise me if the thrusters on Strike Freedom's body match or exeeed the thruster output of the Rising Freedom.

Considering we've never seen the Strike Freedom lose a wing in-atmo before, we can't really tell whether the Strike Freedom can continue flying without one of its wings. The issue with >>22646732's argument is that he says the RF is incapable of flying with the Defender despite it being a flight pack.

>>22646897
>All of Rising Freedom's weapons were designed from the ground up to be lower output to save battery power. So it's not the same. It's weaker

Have we ever gotten real confirmation that this is the case? Or is the "Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice's weapons are weaker because they're battery powered" simply a conclusion people came to and then considered fact?

>If Rising Freedom switches to using Proud Defender's nuclear reactor as a power source, then it's just going to put a strain on it. The same thing that happened Strike Freedom will happen to Rising Freedom. Except it be even worse because a single nuclear reactor will be powering Proud Defender AND Rising Freedom's weapons. It will strain the reactor faster.

And yet that would still make the "Mighty Rising Freedom" superior to the vanilla Rising Freedom. If the Mighty Rising Freedom fought the Black Knights on Earth it would've wiped the floor with all of them before they knew what happened. All that using the Strike Freedom II as a base does is make the Defender's abilities even more busted.

How can proud defender be meant for Rising Freedom when Strike Freedom is equipped with the Disruptor???? The disruptor only works with proud defender is connected and Kira designed the disruptor. Has no one else pointed this out?

>>22646910
>Considering we've never seen the Strike Freedom lose a wing in-atmo before, we can't really tell whether the Strike Freedom can continue flying without one of its wings.

We know the original Justice Gundam can fly in atmosphere without its backpack attached.

But Rising Freedom crashed to the ground after losing 1 wing and couldn't fly again.

>>22646914
Good point. And Justice was even outmaneuvering transformable battery powered MS like the speedy Raider gubdam.

>>22646914
>But Rising Freedom crashed to the ground after losing 1 wing and couldn't fly again.
Losing a wing isn't just losing a lift generating surface, it also causes an imbalance in the suit's weight and ability to fly.

>>22646912
Rising Freedom + Proud Defender can probably still do the nanomachine discharge attack, but whether it will be just as powerful as Mighty Strike Freedom doing it is probably the main question since you don't get two nuclear reactors and possibly relying on only Kira to do multi-aim instead of having Lacus to do it for Kira

So I read the book. I don't understand how the author can say Rising Freedom/Immortal Justice are significantly stronger than Destiny Gundam/Infinite Justice/Strike Freedom. I just don't see how that's possible.

Did the author write this book before seeing the movie? Did he write the book based on an older script? It seems pretty clear that these older nuclear powered hero suits are stronger than Compass suits by a wide margin.

>>22644932
>Dunno if they explained this, but if the Rising Freedom was supposed to be the cutting edge MS that the Proud Defender was meant for at first, why is the ultra death beam placed on the outdated Strike Freedom? Were they just gonna equip it with that and then shove the thing into a warehouse somewhere if nothing bad went down?

So many people are misunderstanding the writing. Proud Defender was originally meant for Rising Freedom BECAUSE Strike Freedom with the nucleon disruptor was too powerful to be used casually by Compass. Proud Defender was designed for Strike Freedom first, then downgraded to Rising Freedom.

>>22647070
Because they're using state of the art technology, at least up to the tech Compass has access to. The Strike Freedom is simpler older tech, even if it has a technically better power source.

>>22647070
Alright I've only skimmed through the novel and searched up keywords but is there a line that actually says the Rising Freedom/Immortal Justice are stronger than the old suits? The closest are some lines calling the Freedom and Destiny outdated and below the specs of the Black Knights MS which the Black Knights say in the movie.

>>22647100
Yeah. This is probably the truth. Strike Freedom Type II with the disruptor is their secret trump card.

>Proud Defender was designed for Strike Freedom first, then downgraded to Rising Freedom
The Black Knights were stronger than expected and trashed Rising Freedom. So they needed to bring out Strike Freedom to deal with them.

>>22647106
Wasn't Type II only upgraded at Orb after it was hjiacked and wrecked, and the Rising Freedom was destroyed? Seems more like they just slapped whatever new stuff they had on the strike freedom and pushed it out there

>>22647119
SF hijacking was six months before the movie takes place. It was restored/refit some time during that period.

>>22644862
But can MSF beat Shura 1v1? Doubt it. Thus Shura is the strongest no matter if atoms can be erased

>>22647102
There really isn't. that anon is a lil delulu

>>22647070
The author of the book WROTE the movie. Liu Goto.

>>22646933
OG Freedom lost a wing and kept flying

Mobile Suit Gundam SEED DESTINY Phase 34 - Nightmare (1920x1080 H264 AC3).mkv_snapshot_19.54.516.jpg

>>22647128
What? Shura is not on Kira-Athrun level.

>>22647100
>>22647106
>Multiple sources say Proud Defender was made for Rising Freedom
>um no acktually the HG manual saying in clear English it was made for the Rising Freedom and novel (written by the same person who wrote the movie script) is headcanon
>actually it was made for strike freedom haha trust me bro source: me
There's no way people are this retarded

>>22647509
Mighty Rising is going to be in the MSV, obviously

>>22647527
Maybe in BF but I don't think Strike Freedom or even regular Freedom got MSV.

>>22647530
GuAIZ Experimental Firearms is the proto-Freedom/Justice

I still like the original Freedom the best.

>>22647509
It's a solid point.

Why would Kira first design a disruptor weapon that can only be used on Strike Freedom, and only be used when Proud Defender is attached? Then upgrade his SF mobile suit many months in advance of the events of the movie, and place a lock on the disruptor weapon? And switch to using Rising Freedom instead. That strongly suggests that Proud Defender was designed to work with Strike Freedom first. If you can't explain it, then we have to assume PD worked with Strike Freedom first.

>>22647683
>Disruptor
I think that's the one point nay sayers can't explain. The Disruptor was built much earlier and designed by Kira. SF spec 2 was clearly intended to work with the Defender pack first.

>>22647683
Why do you assume the Disruptor is related to the Proud Defender? If majority of the material is contradicting your claim, it isn't really a "solid point"

>>22647145
>The author of the book WROTE the movie. Liu Goto.
So? What's you're point? Tomino wrote gundam books but they are still different compared to the TV shows

>>22647727
>What's you're point?
My point? >>22647070
>Did the author write this book before seeing the movie? Did he write the book based on an older script?
The author did see the movie. She was working off the final draft of the script because she WROTE both.

>>22647733
You didn't directly answer anon's question about why there are major differences.

>>22647759
Because there really aren't. Nowhere does it say they're significantly stronger. He's just reading things that aren't there. As we can attest >>22647102
Other anons in the thread have already pointed out other such supposed differences not actually being differences, like Akatsuki losing its reflective coating.

>>22647772
>Nowhere does it say they're significantly stronger. He's just reading things that aren't there.
You literally said you didn't read the novel and just "skimmed". You have ZERO right to talk.

>>22647784
Ok. show me where it says that and I will believe everything you say. You made a claim, you provide proof. Where does it say that in the novel? What page?

>>22647070
Maybe the novel author wasn't aware of how dramatic Director Fukuda was going to make the differences between Rising Freedom and Strike Freedom?

You see it happen in a lot of novelizations that aren't written by the Director. The novel writer just does their best to get as close as they can, but things change during the production of the movie. They can't get it all right. I'm a part of other Fandoms and we just accept novels as a different interpretation that is separate continuity from the movies or TV shows.

>>22647792
>You made a claim, you provide proof. Where does it say that in the novel? What page?
That wasn't me who made the claim you idiot.

I'm not going to spoonfeed you. Set aside 1 or 2 days and READ the novel like a grown mature adult. You are capable of READING aren't you? Zoomers like you refusing to read...that's where I draw the line. Laziest generation on the planet.

>>22647793
Yeah it happens a lot in Star Trek and Star Wars books. Books about adventures that have big stories that sometimes don't work with the events of TV show. They are fun book stories but it would never work if you tried to have a single unified timeline. Way too much conflicting info

>>22647816
It's alt-universe. That's all needs to be said.

>>22647805
Why do I need to find proof of a claim I never made? Ask this anon >>22647070 to do that why don't you? Why do I need to waste my time finding non existent contradictions? How does that make any fucking sense?

>>22647792

No we aren't going to help you write your Gundam wikia article.

Read the novel like the rest of us.

Don't be a bum.

>>22647860
>Make erroneous claim
>provide no proof
>get called out
>HurR DuRr GUnDim WiKie eDiTor LeLz

Pathetic.

>>22647868

How would you know it's an erroneous claim if you haven't read the book?

Checkmate.

>>22647901
He's just baiting you into giving him a shortcut. Don't fall for it. Make him read the book like a normal adult. Zoomers need to learn to read. Don't reward their laziness. If he doesn't, then ignore his posts. He's not worth having a conversation with until he puts in minimum effort.

>>22644862
>originally intended for use with the Rising Freedom Gundam, but it ended up being adjusted for the Strike Freedom Gundam Type II
due to development delays
Could those delays happen to have been caused by making a second strike freedom, a second infinite justice, and a second destiny?
Also, why would they even make a weapon like that forehead cannon? ZAFT and the EA did microwave cannons and everyone scrambled to shut that shit down, so why is Lacus allowed to have something way worse in her pocket?

>>22647910
All very valid questions. No one has an answer. Also what does intended VS designed for mean? Was Proud Defender originally designed for Strike Freedom but later Kira changed his mind? Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice share the exact same frame. Does that mean Proud Defender can work with Immortal Justice? What about Infinite Justice? Is there a Mighty Infinite Justice Gundam? And what's the deal with Zeus pack? How can a pack that was originally designed for Destiny Gundam by Zaft suddenly be 100% compatible with Akatsuki? They are completely different frames. The suits aren't even the same size or shape. The plugs are made by different companies. So many unanswered questions.

>>22645281
That's fine. That just means that if the Great Will of the Universe needs you, your death will be retconned and it'll be k. Antimatter is safer than beams in CE because there's take-backs.

>>22647958
In regards to the Zeus Pack, the better question is probably was it actually built and completed during the events of Destiny. IFF it wasn't built back then Erica could have just modified it while they finished it to make it compatible with other MS

>>22647969
>Antimatter is safer than beams in CE because there's take-backs.
I mean the atmosphere got blasted by antimatter twice during the course of the movie and Minerva used Tannhauser plenty of times during Destiny

>>22647974
>Erica could have just modified it while they finished it to make it compatible with other MS
If that's the case, why are Rising Gundam fanatics *obsessed* with the idea of Proud Defender being made and designed for Rising Gundam first? Kira could have easily designed Proud Defender for Strike Freedom first, then changed his mind for whatever reason like it being too powerful, and then intended for Proud Defender to connect with Rising Freedom instead. Why does Zeus pack get a pass but Proud Defender does not?

>>22645953
It's really weird, you see a quick scene that implies it literally cut the entire base in half, and it started sliding apart like it was some perfect samurai slice, but they don't pan out to actually show the damage.

>>22645037
The field seems like one of the most bullshit things in Gundam. It's like the only thing I can actually see dealing with the Moonlight Butterfly cause it doesn't really have an opening.

>>22645220
>They can't get their shit straight
CE tech spec in a nutshell

>>22646342
so what, Beltorchika's Children and CCA still aren't considered one canon

>>22647978
idk maybe you can learn to read from the creators that it explicitly says it was made for it.
I don't know why you're this retarded

>>22648034
You've been asked 20 times to explain the disruptor upgrades that Kira designed, and why it was built first. But yeah keep dodging that question

Recap time for the past 24 hours of stupidty

Canon:
-HG Manual says it's made for the Rising Freedom but it had developmental problems.

-Novel has it attached to the back during testing

-Movie explicitly says it's going through developmental hell:
"The fermion induction method is still no good We can't accept errors on the docking sensor from micrometer-sized obstacles.I'll have to do it myself as the designer. The development division's incompetence is appalling! To set it up for the Freedom takes time." - said when the Rising Freedom is right next to it.

-The Strike Freedom Type II has a Disruptor built into it, but the website says that it cannot work on the Strike Freedom because of its power drain.

Head Canons:
-Rising Freedom has a Disruptor. Not true.
-Proud Defender was made for the Strike Freedom first. Not true by all three accounts.
-Erica created the Disruptor. Not True
-Strike Freedom was tested with the Proud Defender first. Not true. Kira looks genuinely shocked it was repaired. See Screenshot:

--

And there you have it retards, at this point any arguing is basically bait

this is literally just the phase shift darts and bea-bender shield guy who pipes up at every chance to claim shit but can't be arsed to prove his own shit beyond "trust me bro" and keeps pointing to some imaginary databooks he has read or says it happens in the animation but conveniently cannot provide pics or justify in any sort of way, and will simply ignore every other databook or page scan that says otherwise because it's fake news

>>22648046
concise summary and based screenshot

>>22647984
Eh, if it came down to it, Turn A/X black hole power source would outlast MSF's fancy new fusion reactor

>>22648046
Do you think he created the Disruptor as schematics and Erica just slapped it on the Strike Freedom?

>>22648046
>The development division's incompetence is appalling! To set it up for the Freedom takes time
This seems to imply that Proud Defender was previously set up for another suit and now they are rushing to reconfigure it.

>>22648052
Probably the most sensible thing.
>>22648055
Does it? I think it's just saying it's not field ready and Kira wants it field ready *NOW* because even he's like "I'll handle all the programming" and when the captain drops by Kira says it's because he hasn't been able to protect anything.

>>22648052
Considering Kira got angrily scolded by Athrun for refusing to ask for help and wanting to as much as possible by himself, then I doubt it. I imagine Kira was very hands on with the upgrades to SF. Then SF got handed over to Erica for whatever reason. Then Erica updated the cockpit to the latest version (with holograms), tweaked the main reactors, and added the railgun rifle.

>>22648057
Yeah maybe the Disruptor was created pre-hijacking event and installed and installed to the original Strike Freedom.
And then Erica fixed everything else like the shoulders, the beam saber placement, the railguns, etc.

>>22648052
Kira of the movie doesn't trust others to do the heavy lifting. So he probably went to Orb himself to supervise the overhaul of Strike Freedom into Strike Freedom Type 2.

The problem is the timing of everything. It's only been a few months since Destiny ended. Yet some elements of the story make it sound like it's been a few years. Like the Foundation insulting Compass suits and calling them obsolete relics.

>>22648063
I thought it had been 2 years because Destiny took place in CE73 and it's now CE75? Was the events of Destiny that long?

RevenantChoir

>>22648065
Destiny started in CE73. Battle of Messiah happened in CE74. So technically its been a year and more

Anonymous

>>22648065
All the characters during Seed Freedom are the same age as they were during the end of Seed Destiny. Which means not even 6 months has passed yet.

>>22648065
The events of Destiny started in early October CE 73 but they never specified when the war finally ended in CE 74

Oct 2 CE 73: Armory One Theft
Oct 3 CE 73: Break the World (Junius Seven Drop)
Nov CE 73: Foxtrot November (EA attempted to nuke PLANT but got stopped by Neutron Stampeder)
Dec CE 73: Failed assassination attempt on Lacus Clyne

Afterwards all the events that happened had basically no specific dates.

>>22648079
>>22648083
>>22648088
Thanks
>>22648078
I kind of actually like it?
Like if you painted the blue to be the Metal Robot Spirits Blue and not use base color plastic, it could actually look really great

>>22648078
there's no way this is what kira originally wanted it to be. it looks like a genuine kitbash, gundam build divers shit. clearly created for strike freedom first and had copium flavor text for all the gunplakeks that bought the rising freedom

>>22648095
Now that I think about it, they probably needed to give Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice a bone. They have no good scenes except the opening 5 minutes of movie fighting a half functioning Destroy Gundam. That's it and they are destroyed. They probably realized this would not sell gunpla kits and needed to give them more interesting backstories.

>>22648083
>All the characters during Seed Freedom are the same age as they were during the end of Seed Destiny. Which means not even 6 months has passed yet.
They really shot themselves in the foot with this one fact didn't they?

>>22645953
>>22647981
Somehow the beam looked unimpressive despite the damage it did. I was expecting a giant fuckhueg beam like Trans Am Raiser Sword.

>>22645827
>>22646231
>>22646233
It's accurate to one hundredth of a unit!

>>22648065
>I thought it had been 2 years

Nope.

All the databook lore that came out before the movie was released said they were the same age.

(Not counting Gundam Seed Destiny Final Plus special which alters their age)

Fukuda probably didn't want Lacus to be in her 20s, and still be in a kissless virgin relationship with Kira. So no massive time skip.

>>22648102
Yeah they need to correct this in some manner because the movie itself contradicts that by saying it's CE 75 and a flashback to a year earlier is clearly supposed to be after Destiny and not before or during it. I guess they could just say everyone was a year younger than they officially used to be in SEED and Destiny then it would make everything line up. Or they just do it like Daitarn 3 where the official age never lines up with what the show depicts and they just tell you not to really put too much stock in what the official listed ages are supposed to be.

Because it hasn't been only a few months in the film, no matter what their official ages are supposed to be.

>>22648326
Just claim the CE calendar has extra months. Lousy Smarch weather or some shit like that.

>>22647910
>Could those delays happen to have been caused by making a second strike freedom, a second infinite justice, and a second destiny?

No because they're the original modified units. They have the original registries in their heads still. Plus if they were going to build new ones they'd probably build 3 brand new totally different mobile suits instead of recreating ones that already exist. And they'd have no need to build another IJ as it was completely fine still. It wasn't damaged in Destiny's finale, nor hijacked by the Black Knights.

>>22647958
>The plugs are made by different companies.

Gaia Gundam could somehow use Strike Rouge's beam rifle without any problems despite the massive difference in their technology. If anything they probably just make all plugs universal after SEED as it never is a factor after that.

>>22648078
Yeah...no. There's no way that's the end goal for Proud Defender. That design looks dorky. Fukuda would never do that. There's a reason he made Rising Freedom more blocky and square shaped. It looks more primitive than Strike Freedom.

Fukuda didn't want Destiny Impulse for a reason. He didn't want Rising Freedom for a reason. It just didn't fit with his look and style for the film. Doesn't matter what the novel claims. Fukuda probably doesn't care.

>>22648337
I would assume Terminal uses the same handplugs as Orb. They are very close allies. Terminal also rebuilt Gaia Gundam after it was damaged and captured.

>>22648088
The Second War somehow had more casualties despite being much, much shorter than the First War. I recall the Second War was formally concluded in February C.E. 74, where Cagalli and Lacus made a new peace treaty, and sowed the seeds in founding Compass thereafter (Final Plus did say Lacus returned to the PLANTs after the war is officially over, but refused to join the Supreme Council because she has bigger plans in store, though it's unclear whether she doesn't trust the PLANTs in keeping the balance or it's all her own idea). Before leaving for the PLANTs, however, Lacus scouted the Archangel and Minerva crews to join Compass, and while on her return trip, picked up Heinlein from Terminal.

>>22648395
>The Second War somehow had more casualties despite being much, much shorter than the First War
The second war did have a number of mass casualty events (Break the World, Stella's European road trip, Requiem), so maybe that bumped up the numbers.

So Compass snuck in and infiltrated the Artemis Asteroid which was controlling Requiem. They used Haros to leak sleeping gas into the air vents. This put the entire base crew to sleep.

But Why didn't Compass just use lethal poison gas, and kill almost all of Foundation right there and end the threat? Foundation already used nukes and Requiem, and were holding the world hostage. Foundation were already murderers.

Why didn't Compass just use poison gas, kill Foundation leadership, kill all base personnel and support staff, and then seize control of Requiem? Then fire Requiem at the Foundation fleet in space? Problem solved.

Seems like a LOT less HEADACHE.

>>22648420
Risk of accidentally killing Lacus probably?

>>22648420
They want to take back the Foundation's bargaining chip to where it truly belongs. Lacus would never want to betray the very organization she formed, and the confusion made from firing Requiem is a major mistake on the warrior race's part, which is where the top domino struck the rest. Orb was the first to be aware of the situation, followed by the Feds who are irked upon losing Moscow, and finally ZAFT when pro-Durandal loyalists listened to the Foundation's words, which led to the Joule Team dispatching the coup on the spot with the on-loan Eternal (Terminal can only really trust the Joule Team among the members of ZAFT to use one of the major ships of the progenitor of Compass).

>>22647984
>It's like the only thing I can actually see dealing with the Moonlight Butterfly
The Frozen Teardrop Gundam's are all designed to be immune to nano machines while also having retarded OP shit for no reason. Outside the matter destruction beam allot of the new Seed weapons are less bullshit versions of FZ fanfic shit

>>22648078
<s>It looks like one of the Destiny customs from Gundam Breaker...</s>

>>22648099
Honestly I bet earlier versions of the movie included a proper X30 but Bandai wasn't happy with the idea of the SF being trashed and replaced with something totally new, so they reversed it by having the new model be a CAFE-nerfed toaster that justifies keeping SF around longer

>>22648426
They already isolated Lacus room from the rest of the base during the hacking attack. She wasn't affected by the sleeping gas.

>>22647167
>What? Shura is not on Kira-Athrun level.

Even Athrun needed help to deal with that guy and Justice didn't get past him unscathed

>>22648426
So why not leave some demolition charges after rescuing Lacus? Blow it up as they leave. Everyone is taken out.

>>22648505
To get rid of the accursed space station that ruined Kira's lives time and again for good.

>>22648460
Yes, I didn't deny that, Shura is definitely the third best pilot but you need to take in consideration that the Foundation MS are better than every suit except the MSF.

Did they seriously rebuild Strike Rouge a THIRD time? Why? I thought Akatsuki was the new symbol of Orb? Why rebuild such an old suit

>>22648582
Unless I'm remembering wrong Rouge only basically got de-limbed, so getting it back into fighting shape would have been trivial.
And it's basically Cagalli's personal unit, Akatsuki might have been meant to serve as that symbol but at this point Cagalli clearly sees it more useful in other peoples hands

>>22648589
Why didn't they just make another Akatsuki then and give it Cagalli? Make it silver instead of Gold.

>>22648589
Akatsuki's basically a slut who gets passed around.

>>22648594
Akatsuki is grossly expensive, itself at least a generation or two behind current top-of-the-line tech, has some significant weaknesses, and it's most optimal loadout relies on having a space psychic piloting it

>>22648612
If Orb can afford to rebuild Strike Freedom, Destiny Gundam, and Impulse Gundam then I think they can afford to make at least 1 more Akatsuki.

>>22648614
iirc, the cost of making one Akatsuki was around that of making 30 Astrays or Murasames

There's a reason why in the movie it's tasked to hit Requiem with an artillery loadout and to generally stay the hell away from actual combat, it would get absolutely dunked by the Foundation units

>>22648395
It was still vague at the end, it'd be nice if there are some random screenshots throughout the events of Destiny showed the dates similar to how we know that the events in Freedom occured in basically end of May CE 75

>>22648420
The control of Requiem was on Foundation's flagship at that point so they can't "just seize Requiem"

>>22648505
There were some explosions after Z'Gok left Artemis, but whatever they carried were probably not enough to take down everything and was only good enough as distractions.

>>22648605
Akatsuki has had exactly two pilots or would you say the Strike was also a slut? Or the Impulse?

>>22644921
>seedragers are just speedreaders
Actually watch the movie instead of being a sperg faggot. Mu takes out Requiem, not Kira.

>>22647683

Proud Defender =/= Disruptor. The Disruptor is not part of the Proud Defender system, it just happens to benefit from it due to also being an extra power source it can draw from.

>>22648873

Might want to watch it yourself: Shinn takes out the Requiem in the end.

Mu delays its firing by destroying one of the invisible relay rings, then reflects the beam back at the Requiem to further delay it.

>>22649435
The Disruptor doesn't "benefit" from the Proud Defender being attached. The Disruptor literally doesn't FUNCTION without the Proud Defender attached.

>>22649470
>The Disruptor literally doesn't FUNCTION without the Proud Defender attached.
I'm starting to think you're just making this up

>>22649473
The Disruptor cannot fire without the Proud Defender pack attached to Strike Freedom.

>>22649435

Nope.

Kira designed both of them to work together.

The disruptor needs the power of 2 nuclear reactors to fire its nucleon death beam.

I still don't understand how the disruptor is more powerful than something like Lohengrin or Taunhauser. Those positron cannons literally fires antimatter at the enemy. It's supposed to be impossible to block. It just annihilates whatever it hits. But whatever I guess. Mu can block it with a normal thin shield.

>>22649485
He can make the impossible possible

>>22649485
>Those positron cannons literally fires antimatter at the enemy. It's supposed to be impossible to block. It just annihilates whatever it hits.
Fukada doesn't know that, checkmate.

Just saw the movie last night. I don't understand the romance. Aren't Ingrid and Orphee supposed to be sister and brother? Aura is their mother. That makes Ingrid falling in love with Orphee....incest? How was no one else questioning this fact? Do the Japanese seriously like this? I thought all the Onii-chan Onii-chan shit they say in anime was one big joke. I didn't know they were serious about it.

>>22649513
They're probably not literally brother and sister, Aura just "created" them in that she was the one who fucked their genes and made them Accords, and raised them together. They're not biological family.

>>22649517
You still need some DNA as a starting point. I thought Aura used her own DNA as part of the base before messing with it. That's why they call her mother.

>>22647683
Kira doesn't know about the Strike Freedom being upgraded, that was a project Erica Simmons was working on and he's surprised when he finds out that it and the Destiny have been in storage at Orb all along. So it's the other way around: the Proud Defender was created first, with the Rising Freedom as its intended user, then the Strike Freedom was upgraded second, with the Disruptor installed based on the expectation that the Proud Defender would be available in a situation dire enough to warrant bringing the Strike Freedom out.

>>22649521
We already see Lacus at least has her own parents, I would assume from the fact that the Knights all have wildly different hair and skin colors that they probably all have different parents and Aura was just in charge of the project and raised them.

>>22649531
Kira was the designer of the disruptor upgrade to Strike Freedom. Of course he's aware Strike Freedom still exists.

>>22649531
I think the more common sense answer is that Kira was just surprised SF was in the hangar next to the conference room.

>>22649591
SF still being intact and existing isn't the surprise, it's that Erica had it pulled out of storage ready for use that's the surprise
A thing thought to be mothballed was tuned up and ready to kick ass

>>22649591
Kira helped design the disruptor and proud defender.

It's really depressing when you realize that whatever retarded schizo shitposters you see about something will probably still be doing it twenty years later.

A couple things I noticed from the movie that no one had mentioned yet.

1. Athrun seems to be a much better pilot than Kira at piloting Strike Freedom in 1v1 duels. If you notice when Athrun fought Shura, he likes to use feints and diversions that throw Shura off guard. Athrun uses SF like a chess master.

- Athrun launched SF's Dragoons to force Shura to dodge and force him into a contained position. Athrun knew it wouldn't hit Shura.
- While Shura was busy dodging, Athrun came up from underneath Shura surprising him then fired the SF chest cannon at him. Shura was surprised but blocked it with FT armor,
- but Athrun fired the railguns a split second afterwards simultaneously while Shura was blocking the chest cannon.
- This took Shura completely off guard and nearly damaged the suit. - - Athrun then mocked Shura and said he thought Shura was a mind reader which was also a psychological attack.

This was a 5 layered approach to attacking a single opponent that Athrun uses.

Kira does NOT fight like this. He usually just bombards his enemies with long range blasts, and relies on quick reaction time to win. Kira is more basic.

Shura was used to. Athrun in Justice and had a tough time against Athrun in SF and doing long range attacks. Even with FT Armor, Shura was getting knocked around by Athrun.

2. No one seemed to mention this but when Orphee and Kira both launch their Dragoons at eachother, some of Kira's Dragoons actually hit Orphee's Dragoons. But Orphee's Dragoons actually have FT armor as well and completely ignore the hit. This is some nice detail I appreciate.

Thus Kira had to recall the Dragoons and manually shoot down 2 of Orphee's Dragoons before having to run away again from the combined attacks of Shura and Orphee.

>>22649631
Not surprising, Athrun is after all, a trained soldier. You can see that even in multiple examples of hand to hand or gun combat featuring Athrun and Kira. Look at how Athrun behaves compared to Kira in that episode where Durandal's agents kill Meer. His stance, gun discipline is of a soldier.

>>22649480

And what's the source of this info? People like to say this, but none of the databooks or the manual say anything of the sort, and all we're going by is the assumption of Kira designing the Disruptor to work with the Defender.

>>22649631
>>22649639
I think it's a little different.
Kira had to fight Shura AND Orphee/Ingrid at the same time, not only that. Kira's SF-II had an extra railgun too but he simply got bombarded immediately by Orphee, Shura, and Orphee's missile ships.
It's hardly a fair comparison of a 1v1 and a 1v2+

>>22649648
>but none of the databooks
Lmao. You can always tell it's the same troll anon because he always says his famous line that always goes something like

 "No databooks anywhere in all of existence or history or time or space support <Insert argument here>. "

He can't help himself. He always tells on himself.

>>22649649
Even when Kira fought Destiny or Legend Gundam in 1v1 fights he never showed good dueling skill like Athrun did. It was only beam spam.

>>22649693
dude just post the databook scan so you forever shut him up

enough of this "he said this you said that" nonsense

>>22649712
>>22649649
yeah, even when kira beat athrun it was usually some BS "you cannot evade" defeating attack kind of deal, not an actual skill challenge

>>22649712
What are you talking about? He clashed with Destiny with beam sabers, even in close range, he embarrassed shinn with the sword catch and railguns, and even kicked him like a dog when he tried to shining finger him while he was distracted by legend. Only the short skirmish in space had "beam spam", when he used dragoons for a confirm hit with full burst against the destiny.

>>22649723
those are theatrics, not REAL fighting

>>22649723
Eh Those aren't really tactics like Athrun would do.

Kira does a weird sword catch against Destiny which looks cool, but is incredibly dangerous and no room for failure.

Meanwhile Athrun would just slice Destiny's sword across the blunt side and destroy it. Not dangerous at all. And even if Athrun messes up, he can just try again.

You can see the difference.

>>22649648
Didn't you get called a lazy retard earlier in the thread by other people?

How did no ONE spot Foundation slowly rebuilding Requiem over several months?

>>22649631
>This was a 5 layered approach to attacking a single opponent that Athrun uses.
Kira roughly does the exact same thing in space against the Destiny bro. Which I imagine is intentional on the creators part, there are tons of callbacks in the movie.

>>22649755
In case you haven't read the novel, PLANT's coup faction restored the cannon portion in secret (the reactor was never destroyed at the end of Destiny due to its location so they ended up using the reactor to provide energy per post-war treaty) and basically handed it over to Foundation

>>22649765
How did they do it secret? The EA has two bases on the Moon. No one spotted Zaft ships going to an abandoned base?

>>22649781
I believe EA might have only one base left on the Moon by the time of Freedom unless they rebuilt Arzachel:

Arzachel - Destroyed by Requiem in Destiny, unsure if EA rebuilt it
Daedalus - Where Requiem is located, finally destroyed by the end of Freedom
Endymion - Self-destructed by Cyclops in CE 70, rebuilt by the time Freedom happened
Ptolemaios - Destroyed by GENESIS in SEED, replaced by Arazachel

>No one spotted Zaft ships going to an abandoned base?
I would assume the base still needed a skeleton crew for monitoring the power plant and EA would think any ZAFT ships going there is just for maintenance purposes instead of violating the treaty.

>>22649719
Nope. Not gonna help him write his Gundam Wikia page.

>>22646779
>You think those wings and thrusters on the Proud Defender are purely cosmetic? Also explain how Mighty Strike Freedom was able to come down to a beach on Earth if the Proud Defender was incapable of flight.
I think there is a definite loss of agility when using the Proud Defender. Even if the pack still has thrusters, it doesn't have the Wings of Light anymore. Orphee is clearly able to tag Kira a lot more with attacks when he used the Proud Defender pack. But I suppose it's fair trade off to get a bubble shield.

It seems most of the Proud Defender pack is dedicated to generating nanites. The glowing wings seem like control attenna to generate lightning and control nanites.

All nuclear powered Gundam's could fly in atmosphere just because of the pure thrust they have from the reactors output. Even Legend could despite having no wings of any kind and a very aerodynamic shape. Even when the original Freedom lost a wing it could still fly albeit not as agile. Rising had to land after losing a wing because it didn't have a reactor.

>>22644862
If the Futsunomitama was originally for Akatsuki to counter femtech armor, then piss yellow gundam was supposed to fight the BKs but a certain colony laser surprised them, and it needed to act as a wall

So ummm....Why is everyone so late to developing anti-femtech armor weapons? Did the freedom hijack happen months or years ago? They all knew it could stop beams.

>>22649814
Then why doesn't EA have any of their staff on site at Requiem?

Some rumors during the final screening of the movie
>A sequel in which a title no longer applies a word(ex. Destiny/Freedom) after "SEED" (so no seed justice for you bros)
>Murrue stay as ship captain
>Freedom Heist OVA production got greenlit last month

Fllay Allster

>>22650186
So it's going to be SEED: [Subtitle] ?

Anonymous

>>22650186
>>Freedom Heist OVA production got greenlit last month
Ha! I knew Fukuda wouldn't get a full movie approved for it. At most he would get a cheaper OVA. Probably much lower budget too.

I haven't read the novel. Can someone tell me why foundation stole Freedom? They already built the black knight suits in the movie flashback so what was the point? They already have beam shields, wings of light, ft armor, and all their OP technology gear. Was it just to spit in the face of compass?

>>22650186
>First one he refers too freedom Heist he doesn't mention about sequel but next work
>Also Freedom Heist was originally going to be OVA to be released before Freedom but it seems like it could be a movie after Freedom success

>>22650256
It's deliberately left vague so they can tell the story elsewhere

>>22649693

You know more than one person can demand sources for information, because there's a lot of people claiming stuff here that turn out to be false because they all fell for the "I saw it somewhere but I'm not showing it because I know it's true".

It's how people are now able to show that the Rising Freedom was supposed to get the Proud Defender due to >>22644862, even if there's still people so stubborn about denying it.

>>22650100
PLANT probably somehow get to keep Daedalus Base / Requiem after the events of Destiny, after Foundation fired Requiem at Moscow PLANT was put on blast during the teleconference between the leaders for Requiem being functional thus violating whatever peace treaty / ceasefire agreement they signed during CE 74.

Ok so Um I just watched movie and I have more questions. Why did Akatsuki block Requiem laser? I don't understand. It makes no sense. Why didnt Mu just fly Akatsuki through the beam shield like he did at the end of Seed Destiny and shoot Requiem like before? Then Foundation would have no weapon. Problem solved yes?

Guys, you are taking this this movie and gundam universe too seriously. I watched the camrip a few days ago. Orphee had the element of surprise with the first Requiem shot. Instead of writing a shameless Star Wars reference by having Orphee say "I will finish what you (Durandal) started" and cementing his advantage by taking out Orb, he takes out Moscow "because current events". He could've even aimed at Olofat only for Orb to deploy some reverse-engineered variant of Artemis' Umbrella that protects their islands/cities after the Destiny Finale, but instead Fukuda decided it was better to do the equivalent of "kill Vladimir Putin in Minecraft".
At that moment, I knew not to take anything the movie did that seriously. I was already suspicious during the false flag operation when neither Kira nor Shinn pop SEED mode.
Reading this discussion on what Freedom the Mighty Defender was originally meant for is comical. Let it go.
>>22648078
>genuine kitbash
Have you not seen the official lineart for the IJ Spec-II? Specifically its head. This the level of quality we need to accept now, anon.
>>22649631
Also, this reddit spacer is a known Athrun fanboy who argues from conclusions "Athrun is better" looking for proof "better at piloting Strike Freedom" even though if you watch that scene its clear Athrun was just stalling for time and the DRAGOON footage was not that special considering Durandal *originally* meant for Athrun to pilot the Legend. When confronted with Kira's unique feats like the Destiny sword catch tries to pathetically deflect as >>22649744
>but is incredibly dangerous and no room for failure.
Which is actually all the more reason to rate Kira strongly. High risk, high reward.

Taking out the relay disabled Requiem anyway, Shinn just finished it off for good.

>>22646088
The interpretations of novel deniers are not canon.

At the end of the day, the composers of fiction like Fukuda and screenwriters are the gods of the CE universe.

Fans can have their own head canon if they want.

Even if they say only filmed works are canon, it does not mean non filmed works are "incompatible" with canon. They could be compatible with canon unless contradicted by a filmed work in the future.

I think from the composer's perspective, they were just trying to convey that Rising Freedom is Kira's current MS and the Proud Defender was tested for it. It also happens that it was backward compatible with the Strike Freedom. My interpretation isn't canon.

The upcoming Freedom Heist OVA should clear a few things up.

>>22650456
>I watched the camrip a few days ago

>>22650458
>At the end of the day, the composers of fiction like Fukuda and screenwriters are the gods of the CE universe.
The only gods of canon are Bandai. And they say only anime counts.

It's same way Fukuda shits on Gundam Astray and says it's not Seed.

Accept it.

>>22651030
All these years of improvement and HG hands still look dreadful

>>22651052
There are 3rd party hands you can get which are pretty decent

>>22650431
>Why didnt Mu just fly Akatsuki through the beam shield like he did at the end of Seed Destiny and shoot Requiem like before? Then Foundation would have no weapon. Problem solved yes?

Stop asking questions. No one can answer that. Stop ruining the film. Just turn off your brain and enjoy it.

>>22650431
Why did the Federation promise to give Char a massive asteroid to stop him from dropping smaller asteroids to Earth? Are they retarded

>>22650256
They wanted to analyze it to figure out how to best kill Kira and they used it's data to make Calre.A which is basically Strike Freedom with bigger guns in a Black Knight motif. And also to make Compass owe them a favor so they'd have to let them join in the operation.

>>22650186
>Murrue stay as ship captain

So she's keeping Millenium and the other guy is getting another ship or he's just getting booted from Compass

>>22650466
>It's same way Fukuda shits on Gundam Astray and says it's not Seed.
Again with this baseless shit.

Just like Fukuda's "feud" with the SRW writers.

>>22651218
He literally said in an interview he doesn't consider Astray as part of his seed universe. Not our fault you are out the loop.

>>22651217
Compass will probably get more funding and build more ships. Like how Londo Bell only had 4 ships and then got more funding later on.

>>22651218
Lmao. You have Google. Use it you lazy bum.

>>22650458
Let me be fair here and compare the power levels between the Freedoms in Kuuga form terms:
>Freedom: Mighty Form (the original Freedom, it's revolutionary for its time)
>Rising Freedom: Rising Mighty (battery-powered, but skirts the line power level-wise between the Freedom and Strike Freedom, ergo, it's not supposedly meant to be more powerful than the Strike Freedom out of pure obligation to not look too strong in the public eye)
>Strike Freedom (Type-2): Amazing Mighty (intermediary state before the final form, it improves on its long-range beam spamming gimmick that matches Kira's established skillset)
>Mighty Strike Freedom: Ultimate Form (a WMD-level MS that can destroy the world and the wrong target if misused, complete with a "nuclear twin drive"™, multipurpose nanomachines that would be seen as a prototype Moonlight Butterfly, and a deleter beam that is all but supposedly antimatter energy that can destroy things while containing explosions to the utmost minimum)

>>22651276
Nope

Strike = "Mighty" Kuuga (default red color form)

Freedom = Rising Mighty Kuuga form

Rising Freedom (nerfed Freedom Gundam running on a battery) = Growing Form Kuuga

Strike Freedom and SF Type 2 = Ultimate Kuuga

Mighty Strike Freedom = Rising Ultimate Kuuga

>>22651276
Strike Freedom Type 2 doesn't gain more power - except the funnels can generate beam walls. It's mostly a few cosmetic changes, and some quality of life improvements - like a better 3D cockpit. And the railguns don't rotate anymore which saves time on deployment

>>22651276
>Rising Freedom: Rising Mighty (battery-powered, but skirts the line power level-wise between the Freedom and Strike Freedom

Rising Freedom skirts the line between Impulse and Freedom Gundam. RF is battery powered and will ALWAYS be limited in strength by that fact. Freedom will always be stronger. The Drone shield is a neat little trick but it's not a good shield. A beam saber cut it in half a single slice. Kinda lame desu

>>22651299
This is exactly why the original Strike Freedom and Type-2 are grouped as the exact same thing. Minor adjustments like replacing many of the original weapons after it got hacked up adjusts various specs with the Type-2, but still be relatively the exact same suit. Among the stuff we got is that the Calidus Multi-Phase Beam Cannon being an all-new Tvashtr Hyper Impulse Gun (making it similar to the Aegis's Scylla), and the DRAGOONs possessing beam shield generators (giving it both melee, range, and defense all in one, if the fact that the beam blade option is only really seen in Build Divers Battlogue with just the original SF). On that note...

>>22651296
I think the Strike is the Growing Form. The Freedom's specs are supposedly 10x than that of the Strike, and thus has a hard time to catch up in recent battles had it survived or be used in a proper battlefield again (the Rouge did not see actual combat again after it was salvaged by the Eternal from the Kira of the Skies incident, and its last known battle is used as a remote control for the Infinite Justice Type-2 to counter Shura and his Shi-ve.A, meaning it isn't really within the range of the battlefield).

>>22651276
>>22651296
>>22651309
Strike Freedom and Type 2 are basically like: Ultimate Kuuga and Ultimate Kuuge (black eyes). Very minor differences. Same power level

>>22651299
The railguns on SF are always rotated forward when they're usable, it does nothing for "deployment time" you retarded sperg. It was just a shit gimmick that blocked the railguns to store the rifles, got in the way of the legs, and kept it from pulling beam sabers from its hip without tossing its guns. So they moved the beam sabers back where they were on Freedom and put stored guns where the beam sabers were on SF so it could full burst while loading the handheld railguns in the movie and have uninhibited waist armor movement.

Actually it's a shame they didn't give it back the three part folding railguns now that they no longer have to both fit across its ass, but at least they made them look better.

>>22650256
they didn't steal it. they stopped its theft and returned it. Though we're probably going to find out later that it was "Stolen" like a lot of Gundams.

>>22651314
>it does nothing for "deployment time"
>blocked the railguns
Every second matters in a dogfight. Spending an extra 1 to 2 seconds to rotate the railguns in position to fire can mean life or death.

>>22651336
Even in the movie Lacus and Cagalli view Foundation with skepticism despite owing them one because it was immediately recognized that their 'help' in that incident was very suspicious

>>22651339
I can't take Lacus or Orb seriously. Orb breaks their neutrality constantly. Lacus doesn't even practice what she preaches.

>>22651345
>>22651339
Lacus is just being good wife agreeing over his husband decision, when Kira says yes she says yes, but you know Kira is not good at making decision look at the Destiny Plan

>>22651309
>The Freedom's specs are supposedly 10x than that of the Strike
It's only 4x and Kira was referring to output. So I'm guessing the reactor outputted 4x the amount of electrical power that Strike's battery could do. Which makes sense. Freedom has about four times the amount of weapons than Strike.

I came here to say that Foundation was incredibly dumb. Even with Requiem, they did not have the firepower to force Earth and the colonies to obey them. They had a small to medium size fleet. A fleet which got smashed by Millennium, 2 Meteor Units, Eternal, and a handful of Orb ships. Foundations fleet was nothing but fodder. If things escalated, then EA and would start throwing nukes at the Requiem base.

>>22651544
Again, they're all a bunch of meglomaniacs. That does not lead to intelligent and well thought out plans. It's like asking why Ribbons wasted so many resources making the majority of his fighting force piloted suicide bombs.

>>22651715
>It's like asking why Ribbons wasted so many resources making the majority of his fighting force piloted suicide bombs.

Diff anon here. Looking back on it, if Ribbons had made a small army of Regnant mobile armors, he probably would have won the final battle in Season 2. 00 Raiser Gundam had trouble defeating just one Regnant. Imagine facing 30 or 40 of them. It probably would have been a way better use of resources than making like 1000 suicide clone troops.

>Makes a "Mighty Rising Freedom" joke
>45 minutes later, Gundam wikia adds the term to their page, and uses the exact same scan (even leaving the custom watermark) from this thread as "proof"

I honestly thought other anon was joking when he said Gundam wikia editors watch these threads.

>>22651729
Fukuda needs to clarify it. If Kira'a disruptor - which needs Proud Defender to work - was built before Rising Freedom was constructed, then Proud Defender was meant originally for Strike Freedom. The changed to Rising Freedom.

It's a timeline issue here.

It's not a timeline issue if you just read OP

>>22651734
desu, Gundam Wikia discord is full of people from here.

>>22652260
Now I understand why people stopped sharing scans here. And why we have a few anons screeching like monkies demanding scans and page numbers. People were right. They don't actually care about debates. They just want the scans and page numbers so they can be the first to make a Gubdam wikia page and claim ownership over it.

>>22651296
This is why Tokusatsu is always /m/.

>>22651723
Yes but again, Ribbons did that because he wanted to get off on the idea of ordering a bunch of servants to suicide bomb in his honor because he's a ego maniacal lunatic and figured he'd win anyway because he's Ribbons. If he didn't have a head the size of the moon he'd make more intelligent decisions. Just like Foundation probably would have had a better time if they'd been more patient and didn't let their egos and their hatred of Kira drive everything. Ironically the smartest thing to do would have been to just arrest Kira after he went nuts and keep him in a cell where they'd keep track of his whereabouts and make sure he couldn't escape and pull another Gundam out of his ass, then use his disgrace to detain Compass in their land and seize their ships so they couldn't use them to fight back, and then take over. Compass wouldn't have been able to do anything, and they wouldn't really have cause to even oppose them without knowing they framed them and nuked their own place.

Ironically despite Aura's knee jerk reaction firing on Orb first wouldn't have stopped them. They'd already left and Cagalli was in a bunker, so they only thing that would have happened is they'd have killed a fuck ton of Orb troops and civilians and made Team Kira even madder.

1. If Disruptor is ublockable, why not use it to destroy requiem?

2. Why didn't Akatsuki just fly through the beam shield and blow up Requiem?

3. Why was Destroy Gundam so weak? The beams it fired looked like thin noodles. The finger beams are supposed to be thicker than than a whole mobile suit but Lunamaria Gelgoog can block it?

4. Do Compass suits really have to take a special rocket back to space every time they do a drop mission to earth?

5. Why did the Zaft rebel forces get defeated off screen? Very lame. I want to see house to house fighting

6. Will we get an extended cut of the film? There are too many questions

>>22651723
By the later stages of 00S2, couldn't Setsuna just Trans Am Raiser Sword those things?

>>22652914
Trans Am Raiser Sword is like the worlds biggest broadsword, not great if you're dealing with more than one thing that isn't either stationary or not super mobile

>>22651729
anon lied so bad and we all believed him

>>22653198
Seems like it's legit. The Disruptor was designed and built before Rising Freedom was made. Unless Fukuda changes the story again

>>22653694
My understanding of events are:

1. War Ends
2. Kira helps design Disruptor and Proud Defender upgrade for Strike Freedom.
3. SF gets stolen and heavily damaged
4. Kira supervises SF repairs and upgrades. But it's going to take a long time (months of repairs). Compass gets busy fighting Blue Cosmos and doing interventions. So Kira hands off SF project to Orb so he can focus on other things.
5. Rising Freedom is built for Kira in the mean time.
6. Construction on Proud Defender pack continues but is very slow and full of issues. The intention is changed to making PD pack work with Rising Freedom instead.
7. Movie happens and Rising Freedom is destroyed
8. Kira reunites with a fully repaired Strike Freedom.
9. Proud Defender is switched back to Strike Freedom

>>22651734
Mighty Rising Freedom trivia has been added since like April you retard. It's just someone moving it to the RF page since the manual came out.

>>22653887
More like I was just an autist that constantly looked at seed freedom shit on the wiki because it wasn't in my country. That site needs to be nuked, it's better to just go on the jp Wikipedia page instead

>>22653864
Not that anon but I've gotten into editing wars with the Admins on Gundam wikia and other wikis. I even had a few databook scans to back me up. But since they disagreed with me (or wasn't part of their club), they deleted my edits. I tried to argue my case, but they banned my IP.

Now I don't bother with any wiki site. This applies any wiki site. The Japanese wiki too. They are all filled with Admins who gatekeep their articles and get upset at people who edit them without their permission.

It's really sad. Wiki started out as an idea for anyone to jump in and edit articles for the greater good. Now they've added all these rules and locked down articles tightly. I've lost all enthusiasm I once had for helping out.

>>22648078
Is this really what Kira designed? It looks like some sort of Kitbashed mismatched Build Fighters suit that you see for 10 seconds and then gets shot down in the background of the scene.

>>22654007
The problem I see is that the Defender pack looks more advanced than the rest of the suit. Rising Freedom looks like Season 1 suit. While the pack looks far more modern.

Did we ever find out what was the point of the Millennium's "battle bridge"? It's just a glass dome for 2 people to see out of. Super vulnerable!

More I learn about politics, I realize that the SEED series and 00 are more heavily left-leaning, with outright communist propaganda (anti-Stalinism for the SEED series). The people behind the world-building for both the SEED and 00 series did so in subtle ways that directors didn't even realize.<br>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-<wbr>jvHynP9Y

>>22654170
It's too allow the captain and helmsman to have a better view of the field of battle.

>>22654007
Build strike cosmos having an all white backpack feels like Sei saw the movie and wanted in

>>22650186
Dumb
 Freedom heist needs to be changed so Kira has a suit to pilot. Give him a new Strike

>>22654234
You can't be serious. That's what sensors are for.

How can a literal bubble be better

>>22654234
>>22654276
Isn't that location super vulnerable to shrapnel and weapons fire? What if a stray beam hits it?

>>22654301
Minerva is like the only ship in the entire Cosmic Era that has an actual battle bridge that is built to be highly protected

Archangel has been like the biggest tank in the CE and even it finally got a lethal bridge kill shot in the movie

>>22654334
Archangel is supposed to have super advanced laminated armor that absorbs beams and weapon impacts, and then harmlessly disperses the energy as heat.

The Archangel bridge isn't even that vulnerable. The whole bridge tower is covered in laminated armor. In very early Seed, the Archangel even had armored shutters come down and that cover the windows. A direct beam him wouldnt penetrate. But then Fukuda kinda forgot about the armored shutters. I guess he wanted drama.

>>22654276
Foundation had the tech to completely kill all communication in the area that didn't have wired comms (using their psychic abilities to get around that for themselves). They probably didn't want to rely entirely on sensors incase they had something that could mess those up too.