How did we get here? Did WfM REALLY save the franchise?

>>22636411
It got plamo sales up and fresh eyes looking at Gundam, so it kind of did, unfortunately. God knows what this means for the future of Gundam -- lesbian Vtubers?

>>22636411
>Revitalized
G-Shit faggots are delusional.

>>22636414
You seem to forget that Gundam is the most normie franchise from Japan. Even random popular youtubers know what Gundam is. If anything, stuff from G Witch is already forgotten at this point.

>Before G-Witch, Gundam has several giant statues
>After G-Witch, the most popular statue in the bunch has been decommissioned due to mysterious financial problems
Coincidence? I think not.

>>22636414
Normies know more about Justice Zgok meme than whatever happened in G Witch. Seed saved Gundam.

>>22636411
>Did WfM REALLY save the franchise?
No build fighters did, Gundam has been seeing massive growth throughout the 2010s.

>>22636424
Couldn't that be because AMAIM and Synduality bombed?

>>22636434
Both of those shows got renewed for a sequel, so i don't think they bombed. Current Kyokai Senki is selling well with some budget reduction on top of that. Synduality has a spin off videogame. Atleast in Japan, they got some modest popularity to make Banrise putting them on life support.

>>22636434
I'm just joking about the statue. However, G Witch is like what happen when you blew more budget than necessary into a mediocre 7/10 project. Result might look good for outsiders, but inside the corporate office meeting, the result did not meet the expectation.

>>22636431
Build series is just a cheat code. Banrise reused bunch of old molds to cut corner and still make billions.

>>22636444
>Current Kyokai Senki is selling well
Lying is bad for you.

>>22636450
Yeah, you could definitely tell it was cancelled. It was probably going to be 39-50 episodes when they planned it but because they wasted too much budget on the first season (which was mostly SOL yuri antics), they cut it down to 24 and rushed to show all the mobile suits they had to in the second season. The yuri crowd didn't like the second season because "too much mecha", which indicates that if they want to make a Gundam for yuri fans, they need to do what """sci-fi""" shows like Mahoromatic did and keep the mecha stuff skin-deep and something that can be resolved in 40 minutes total. This should terrify you as to the future of Gundam -- we're going back to 2000s ecchi garbage but with a "safe, feminist, and progressive" skin this time. It also doesn't help that modern writers can't write war well -- IBO was mostly inspired by gangster movies.

>>22636473
>which was mostly SOL yuri antics
Such as?

>>22636455
>Banrise reused bunch of old molds
As the series went on most of the molds have been original actually, or even updates of older molds which has lead to 1.5 releases of stuff like the Rick Dias.
I'm still sad we didn't get an HGCE Aegis yet though or an HG Exia revive.

>>22636482
This series is so weird, I thought it was full of shelf warmers. Is it stuff from the Obari-directed OVA that's selling out?

>>22636478
The school commercial thing, for one. You could hardly say it's yuri though since IBO and 00 had gayer side characters.

>>22636483
They do have new molds but that won't downplay the amount of old molds they have been using so far . It is a much more cost effective strategy than making bunch of new molds like G Witch only to sell somewhat similar amount.

>>22636487
Ah yes, the commercial for the company made to save the Aerial from being dismantled after three other companies fail to defeat it and try to scrap it though business means while Miorine spends most on the episode finding the old medical tech data of GUND that was scrubbed from public records. Totally SOL antics.

>>22636485
It's only "selling out" because they made so little of it because the main show sold so badly.

>>22636485
Yeah, the kit line that was designed by Ebikawa and Yanase. It is still releasing new stuff and selling pretty well.

>>22636485
>Is it stuff from the Obari-directed OVA that's selling out?
Not really

>>22636494
Anon, those were from the original tv show.

>>22636492
>because they made so little of it
They are not P Bandai, anon. Also yes they are selling pretty well.

>>22636506
They don't have to be p-bandai to be made in limited stock. And they still are only doing well because not that much was made to avoid the shelf-warmer issue of the main show.

>>22636485
>I thought it was full of shelf warmers.
For Okuyama's designs, yes. They looked so goofy and weird.

>>22636506
>Sold out
More like retailers don't even bother stocking them

>>22636508
Anon, It is not like they only print 3 copies. You can even buy current Kyokai Senki kit from oversea. They have large enough quantity to be distributed around the world.

>>22636411
I think it created a good amount of WfM fans and only time will tell how much that translates to Gundam fans. I think some people aren't used to how the franchise tends to do different things for different fans. The Seed movie was for Seed fans, Hathaway movies are for Tomino UC fans, UC2 is for modern UC fans, etc.

>>22636523
I'm having several Kyokai Senki kit right here. Wow, so limited.

>>22636524
>I think some people aren't used to how the franchise tends to do different things for different fans.
The other reason is that most modern anime fans are used to studio's cranking out shows constantly.

>>22636530
Good for you, you got some of the limited supply.

>>22636515
You do know that toy companies print things when the retailers pre ordered the stock, right?

>>22636534
If Bandai wants to make limited stock, they would have put current Kyokai Senki kits into P Bandai instead of retail.

>>22636431
Thanks to Unicorn OVA 7, not build. Iron Blooded Orphans also sold pretty well in 2015-2016.

>>22636524
I feel like " modelkit fans" are still the most important fans because they actually support Banrise with money. Thinking a lesbian yas kween slay story can pay for all of those expenses is just delusional.

>>22636544
Nah, they knew people wouldn't pay more for them if they were p-bandai, so they made them limited retail.

>>22636485
Pretty much. The Proto Gouyo appears to be selling a lot better, given it looks way better than the actual literal toys from the TV show. It looks more like a war machine for a show about territorial disputes on the ground in a failed Japanese State. The setting is supposed to be a little more serious than space opera, but the mechs didn't match it in the TV show, but the ONA designs are way better

>>22636411
>G-Shills coping over Seed Freedom mogging the shit outta them.

>>22636550
Not quite. IBO kits had a quite negative reception due to their poor quality and a large chunk of the line got discontinued with no reprint. Unicorn? Too many new molds, even if you count the color swaps.

>>22636524
>I think it created a good amount of WfM fans and only time will tell how much that translates to Gundam fans
Probably not a whole lot. The Aerial couldn't even beat the Unicorn in sales, which is why they had to qualify it by saying the Aerial had the most initial sales of any TV lead gundam.

>>22636555
Love him or hate him, atleast Ebikawa knows how to provide a digestible design. I will pick him over Okuyama any day.

>>22636560
It is not easy to beat Unicorn. To the Japanese, it is one of the staple of the franchise and even has a giant statue for tourism.

>>22636566
>It is not easy to beat Unicorn
Lies, Unicorn is on of the worst selling gundams.

>>22636554
P Bandai is production by pre orders. It is a very safe strategy, which Bandai would have done that if current Kyokai Senki doesn't sell like what you are saying.

>>22636557
>IBO kits had a quite negative reception due to their poor quality
I want what you're smoking. IBO did extremely well for Bandai and the HG IBO series is the longest running continuous merchandise run of any gundam AU with retail releases every year from 2015 to 2022, that's not even counting the P-bandai releases, which continued into 2023. If the game movie comes out this year we might get 2 more releases, for the new Hajiroboshi form

>>22636572
Kyokai senki doesn't sell though. >>22636494

>>22636573
Anon, that chart shows the IBO period ( 2015 - 2017 ) literally stagnated the stable growth of the franchise and only got better once Build Divers Re Rise came out.

>>22636575
 Kenbu Zan, Byakuchi, Jogan were from the original tv show. Protogouyo is not like those bitches and actually sells.

>>22636577
Bandai fiscal years start Q2 the previous year and ends the year it's labeled. So it's actually from 2016-2017, starting April 2015 and ending mar 31st 2017 for 2016 and 2017, which is when IBO ran for, starting october 2015 and ending april 2, 2017. So no, it wasn't IBO that broke the trend, it was actually Unicorn OVA 7 which came out april 2014, which would have fallen into FY2015, from April 2014 to april 2015. And that stable growth is just all Unicorn.

>Build Divers Re Rise came out.
No, until Narrative came out as a sequel to Unicorn.

>>22636592
No, they usually announce the full report in the next year, but the report still contain the data of its respective year and how much it made specifictly. That chart shows "annual sales", not "when financial report ".

>>22636592
>Narrative
I don't remember it having that many kits.

>>22636617
The 2015 FY revenue doesn't include IBO either way, whether you think it was only for 2014 or whether you think it goes from Q2 2014 to Q2 2015. But a fiscal year is just a 12 month period, it's not a literal year on the calendar. My company freezes hiring and projects into february while the accountants are continuously collecting and compiling data and trying to come up with new costs to tack on. A fiscal year doesn't end in december and different companies have different fiscal year periods.

Anyway, the 2016 on the graph is for Bandai's 2016 fiscal year, which covers most of 2015, not the calendar year of 2016. 2016 on that chart is what captures IBO's release, because the 2016 fiscal year reports earnings for most of the 2015 calendar year.

>>22636625
The retard is just coping. There were 3 Narrative HGs released in 2019, Narrative C Pack, Silver Bullet and Phenex gold coating. There were several other AU kits and 8 Re Rise kits in 2019. Believe the tiny amount of Ntv kits can make the number spiked up that much is fucking delusional.

>>22636626
>My company
Not Bandai. Skip this argument.
>The 2015 FY revenue doesn't include IBO either way
Proof? Or it is just your schizo headcanon said so?

>>22636631
>Proof? Or it is just your schizo headcanon said so?
The 2015 FY report was literally made public on May 8, 2015. When did Iron Blooded Orphans start airing? Answer.

>>22636630
Re:Rise came out in October 2019 retard, it literally CANNOT be included in the 2019 fiscal year which ended March 2019.

>>22636524
Most of them already left now that it's not the current FOTM, also the hardcore yuri fans will never become fans of Gundam as a whole because they refuse to tolerate anything except yuri.

>>22636626
There were several HG IBO released from october to december of 2015. It counts. You should remember that every year, there are big releases. IBO period had alot of big shots. In case you want to dismiss Build or Unicorn, IBO also had alot of factors that i can use to dismiss it.

>>22636641
Bandai's fiscal years run from the previous year to the year the report is filed. December 2015 would fall into the 2016 fiscal year, because the 2016 report covers Q2, Q3, Q4 of 2015 and Q1 of 2016. The chart >>22636573
is just reporting the data from Bandai's fiscal years that Bandai reported in their annual financial reports. That means that 2015 on the chart is covering Q2 2014 through Q1 2015. December 2015, which falls into Q4 2015 is part of the 2016 fiscal year. Companies can't see into the future to make financial reports, they can only report a time period that has already passed.

>>22636635
Ok, so that means, the 2018 collumn is the IBO season 2 ( ended in 2017 ) and the 2021 collumn is Re Rise season 2 ( ended in 2020 ). Got it!

>>22636644
Then you do realize that Build Diver Re Rise's section is 2021, right? The 95 billion yen one since the show ended in 2020 and got financial reported in march 2021.

>>22636647
Ibo Season 2 ended on April 2 2017, most of it wouldn't have been captured in 2018, but in 2017, which runs up to March 31st of 2017. I really don't know how many more times I have to repeat how fiscal years work to you.

2020 was when lockdowns started and contributed greatly to sedentary hobbies and was fully covered in the 2021 fiscal year. If, and that's a big if, Re:rise was responsible for that big jump in revenue, then that means it also surpassed Unicorn. Can you prove that Re:rise is more popular and successful than Unicorn and it had nothing to do with the global lockdowns? I'm not claiming IBO surpassed Unicorn, but you are claiming Re:rise did.

>>22636651
Oh so now you are arguing that Bandai didn't " capture" IBO season 2's numbers and blame the "Pandemic" for influencing hobby space. You might sound reasonable at first but now you are just trying to show you are an IBO faggot. Wake me up when Barbatos has a giant statue.

>>22636656
So you believe covid had nothing to do with stay-at-home hobbies doing exceptionally well?

>>22636651
You are speaking all of these mumbo jumbo without thinking that, i dunno, Gundam is a huge brand and Banrise sells more than just HG of their respective tv shows? For someone who is partially intelligent, you are strangely naive and retarded.

>>22636411
>Did WfM REALLY save the franchise?

It didn't save it. No new entry saves the franchise. They sustain the franchise by bringing in new fans which WfM inarguably did.

I've never seen dumb shit like what you posted but I have seen a bunch of people finish WfM and jump straight into 0079 and fall in love with Char.

>>22636450
>inside the corporate office meeting, the result did not meet the expectation.

We have actually financial reports and direct quotes from C-Suite officials saying that much of the strong growth in the gunpla sector was thanks to G-Witch sales specifically citing strong sales of the HG Aerial

>>22636473
You're very stupid.

>>22636662
>So you believe covid had nothing to do with stay-at-home hobbies doing exceptionally well?
People were losing their jobs during the time and had no disposable income. Most of stuff people bought during that era were food and fucking toilet paper instead of useless toys.

>>22636665
Yap yap yap. Where is Barbatos's 20 meters tall statue?

>>22636667
The upper-middle-class people whose jobs moved online had lots of disposable income, and since they weren't going out to restaurants or on vacations, they bought stuff instead. The big AFOL set boom for Lego is a result of this. Before the lockdowns, the big trend in parenting was "give your kids experiences, not toys", but toy sales skyrocketed when all the kids had to stay at home.

>>22636667
So you also think that the game industry adding +20% to their revenue after years of slow growth is just because in 2020 everyone decided they loved games and had nothing to do with covid and lockdowns? Also, since I have to explain it every time I talk to you, this isn't a fiscal year report, this just an analyst's report on the game industry and is based on a calendar year.

>>22636668
I'm not that anon you fucking schizo

I fucking hate IBO

>>22636665
>We have actually financial reports and direct quotes from C-Suite officials saying that much of the strong growth in the gunpla sector was thanks to G-Witch sales
Is that why most G-Witch kits these days have been relegated to P-Bandai?

>>22636665
>G-Witch did the bare minimum and Aerial sold well in a specific parameter.

>>22636696
P-Bandai is for generating maximum profit not sales. That's why all those PBs are existing kit + a few new runners or are flat out recolors like the Aerial Permet 6 and Calibarn Permet 5. The only "new" one is the expansion set for the Pharact, Michaelis, and Daribalde.

>>22636473
Interviews specifically say the 24 episode count was decided on before they had even finished drafting the plot, it definitely wasn't canceled and the only people who say that are the ones who want to pretend the writers were good and corporate just forced them to make a bad show

>>22636696
No, that's because the only things left are random grunts and expansion sets only hardcore fans will buy.

G-Witch is fine, it made the company money. Don't know why people think it did the opposite.

https://www.bandainamco.co.jp/files<wbr>/ir/newsletter/pdf/E_BN751.pdf

>>22636755
People are convinced that Bandai has been lying about the show's success for some reason

>>22636764
Conspiracy rightoids think Blackrock investors are forcing Bandai to lie about WFM's success to push their gay liberal jewish agenda

>>22636754
>No, that's because the only things left are random grunts and expansion sets only hardcore fans will buy.
If the show was as popular as it’s been said to be then that’d be enough of the public to not restrict them to p-bandai, no?
>>22636755
I don’t think anyone can deny that it made money but as a long standing entry, the only thing it has going for it is lesbians and nothing else. It’s been so quickly swept under the rug that despite making money, it comes off as not having done as much good as they wanted it to.

>>22636411
G Gundam is the only series you can argue actually saved the franchise, everything else is your typical ebb and flow. Some people try to manufacture a crisis in the Gundam franchise so they can pretend their favorite series swooped in and saved the day. These same type of people may or may not try and rig twitter polls to make their series more seem ubiquitous than it really is.
I call these types of people "troons", which is shorthand for transgender goon.

>>22636444
>Both of those shows got renewed for a sequel
One is an ONA with only 6 10 minute-long episodes, the other is a second season that was planned from the start.

>>22636778
Weebs don't realize nips see the gay liberal jewish agenda as hip and cool, another evidence of how advance the west is compared to Japan. WfM is pretty much following the western trend

>>22636764
No, People are just seeing through other outlets overinflating the show's success.

The specific wording on Aerial's selling tells me plenty that it didn't sell as well as others hyped it up to. Not that Aerial didn't sell.

G-Witch did fine, but it's pretty clear that Bandai's focus was on Seed Freedom. It's not gonna hang around like to the degree IBO has.

>>22636696
>>22636801
>P-Bandai
Bandai's strategy right now seems to be making a bunch of a successful series' later products P-Bandai exclusives to maximize profits. They've been doing this for Kamen Rider, which currently has a considerable portion of its toyline as P-Bandai exclusives compared to the failing Super Sentai.

And if you look around, you'll see that more and more kits from other Gundam shows also end up as P-Bandai exclusives, so it's not just G-Witch.

>>22636822
>The specific wording on Aerial's selling tells me plenty that it didn't sell as well as others hyped it up to
What and whose's wording?

>>22636728
Remember to lift with your back when moving the goalpost. Enjoy the (you)

>>22636801
>It’s been so quickly swept under the rug that despite making money, it comes off as not having done as much good as they wanted it to.

>Bandai Hobby Still making kits
>Tamashii Nations making MORE figures than when it originally aired

I hate IBO, doesn't mean I have to be retarded and act like it didn't sell well.

>>22636844
Buddy, I didn't set the goalpost you speak of.

>>22636833
They've just gotten better at predicting what will sell well at retail and what will shelfwarm. For the most part I think they nailed it finally.

>>22636728
Judging by the Dengeki Hobby best-seller rankings, seems like a bunch of the other kits were doing well too, especially Calibarn.

>>22636854
At least for Rider, they've also purposefully made stuff that will definitely sell well as campaign and P-Bandai exclusives. Their practices are getting increasingly jewy.

>>22636859
I'm clearly just talking about the Aerial and the Aerial is at #12.

I don't deny that the line did fine, but I am dubious about it being an overall gangbuster or it was the main Gundam doing a hard carry into it doing it's job.

>>22636411
I need to see the source for this image because this feels like bait.

>>22636801
>If the show was as popular as it’s been said to be then that’d be enough of the public to not restrict them to p-bandai, no?
Selling people random grunts and variants in a fomo manner is precisely why P bandai exists anon

>>22636411
>the absolute STATE of G-Shitters
More like Gundam SEETHE.

>>22636473
>modern writers can’t write war well
Most likely, the only major conflicts the writers had any frame of reference for are Iraq and Afghanistan where fixed battles were very uncommon and asymmetric counter-insurgencies being the norm.

Ukraine is really the only major conflict happening at the moment. So give it time and we may see some of that influence seep over.

>>22636801
But only weird fans like to buy grunt kits, and they can make more money off those fans through P-Bandai. New character figures are still being made for general retail (though I’m not sure if they’ll keep doing that since they’re out of really prominent girls after Nika)

>>22636822
The wording seems pretty clear? It sold more than all other TV main Gunpla during their airings, but not as much as Unicorn. But that isn’t even really a hedge because Unicorn “aired” over a period of like six years so it’s not comparable.

Also it almost certainly will get supported as much as IBO. IBO hasn’t really been getting that much support.

>>22636894
The Aerial is at #12 because it came out in 2022, so a large chunk of its sales are going to be missing from a list that’s specifically covering sales in 2023.

>>22637114
>Check 2022 rankings.
>Aerial is at 13.
>Absolutely mogged by the Entry Grade Nu Gundam at 1.

Welp...

>>22637114
> It sold more than all other TV main Gunpla during their airings

How much more did they have to spend on marketing in order to achieve that though? Not to weigh in either way, because it could have been a normal amount, we just don't know.

>>22637088
Does it even need to be based on a real-life war? I know that's been the norm since SEED, but they're really limiting themselves if they can't use their imaginations more. I've come up with several war-like Gundam premises myself, and I don't follow IRL wars.

>>22637194
>I've come up with several war-like Gundam premises myself, and I don't follow IRL wars.
Such as? I'm interested. G-Witch really disappointed me with its scenario.

>>22636909
Oh look, the single braincell in the entire thread!

>>22636754

>Interviews specifically say the 24 episode count was decided on before they had even finished drafting the plot

That and devising story arcs that should never been touched if not taken seriously (corporate dystopia that turned Earth into a slum world, everything about Mercury, and Delling and Nortrette) are what made me sour on WfM in my eyes.

>>22637204
One and two cour are the standard in anime. If they can't develop a story along those constrains, then fuck off. Bandai will never allow a garbAGE to ever happen again.

>>22637185
Probably depends on the series comparison, a few Gundam series even had game tie ins either during or prior to the anime's airing, Aerial only really got featured in one arcade game while S1 got aired iirc, and only got put into other games after S1 ended

>>22637212

Then why didn't they even try?

>>22637196
One is where life on Earth is awful and life in space (in both colonies and planets) is marketed as an amazing paradise, and the elites of space take advantage of this to draft unwitting Earthlings into their brutal space wars (sort of like Narutaru). The other premise I've come up with is that the authorities fully fell for the "[insert timeline's superhuman] are the future" bait and put these superhumans in many positions of authority, but it's discovered over the course of the series that the superhumans aren't the answer and that regular humans have their strengths too.

>>22637204
The real killer is that all these arcs sound amazing and they would have been great if they treated them properly. But that didn't happen because we can't take the focus off our bland space lesbians!

>>22637232

Had we not given up on 50 episodes because of AGE, just have Suletta and Miorine be dragged in al of those story arcs (you explore the post-Drone War world WHILE keeping the yuri fans satisfied).

>>22637224
(>>22637196 here, not >>22637231, who's an asshole)
>One is where life on Earth is awful and life in space (in both colonies and planets) is marketed as an amazing paradise, and the elites of space take advantage of this to draft unwitting Earthlings into their brutal space wars (sort of like Narutaru).
That premise reminds me a bit of this trilogy I'm reading. The big question is, who are they fighting? Are the wars kept a secret from the populace?

>>22637232
>>22637248
Its kind of a misplaced complaint anyways since Suletta and Miorine's relationship took a backseat to almost every plotline that popped up in S2, only really at the end does it actually become important

>>22637224
>The other premise I've come up with is that the authorities fully fell for the "[insert timeline's superhuman] are the future" bait and put these superhumans in many positions of authority, but it's discovered over the course of the series that the superhumans aren't the answer and that regular humans have their strengths too.
It could work, depending on how "super" are these transhumans compared to your regular homo sapiens, and which positions of power they hold. I'm thinking of the backstory for IBO, with the descendants of the Gundam pilots from the Calamity War becoming Earth's hegemons for centuries.

>>22637250
The wars are kept secret from Earthlings because the battles take place in space, and they'd be fighting an ideologically-opposed faction based in space. The first faction keeps these wars secret because most people had already left the Earth sphere to escape the fighting, so to keep a fresh supply of soldiers they have to trick people into drafting.

>>22637297
>so to keep a fresh supply of soldiers they have to trick people into drafting.
You really should keep up with some recent news, then

>It's not a frontline infantry post, just shooting rockets from a distance!
>You aren't firing a rifle, it's just digging trenches and concrete defenses!
>It's a lot of money, and you only have to drive a truck to the supply post!

>>22636524
Are we sure those WfM fans are young people though? WfM basically kicked young female viewers in the face when Guesule crashed and Suletta's cuteness appeal to the same old 40 something guys buying gunplas rather than a mainstream taste

>>22637415
Lots of young women liked WFM for "strong diverse """de-sexualized""" female protagonists". You'd be surprised how many women like kawaii/moe characters since they like cuteness and they think anime is inherently kawaii/moe.

>>22637423
>Lots of young women liked WFM for "strong diverse """de-sexualized""" female protagonists"
Those are in the west, not Japan except for some unfortunate cases but even then, those cases aren't into anime because Japan is the land of conformism so when something doesn't appeal to them, nips prefer to drop it rather than trying to change it.

>You'd be surprised how many women like kawaii/moe characters since they like cuteness and they think anime is inherently kawaii/moe.
The kawaii aesthetic born in shoujo after all but moe as we know it today is too related to smelly otakus for girls to get into it, with some exceptions like K-on or Love Live but even then they're a side-audience at best

>>22636808
It still takes you over 1 hour to watch entire Ultra Steel Ogre ONA. Pretty much a spin off movie.

>>22637431
Always have been. The newer politically correct crap have no chances againts the classic.

>>22637415
Suletta appeals to those stinky unshaved faggots who are still watching mahou shoujo genre. No one truly cares about her "empowerment". All they care is yuri shipping faggotry and moe.

>>22637423
>Lots of young women liked WFM for "strong diverse """de-sexualized""" female protagonists".
Both yumes and fujos watched it for Guel first and anything else second though.
SuleMio was a sideship for a subset of fujos at best.
Unless by young women you meant western queers, then yes, you'd be correct, those mentally ill fucks love everything yuri.

>>22637485
>SuleMio was a sideship for a subset of fujos at best.
Are you dumb? Fujos don't care about yuri in the slightest.

<s>Stupid question: what's the status of Gundam as a whole at >>>/y/? I won't go there even if you paid me to do so</s>

>>22637485
I don't understand why WfM wasn't shoujo gundam. It was the logical next step to having a female MC. Maybe Sunrise was too afraid of alienating male viewers

>>22637488
Plenty of fujos are lesbians themselves and there's lots of yuri made by/for lesbians.
>>22637491
Yeah, probably. It's quite disgraceful that they made the female protagonist a moe blob and let the most interesting character be Guel.

>>22637501
>there's lots of yuri made by/for lesbians.
I am aware. It's fucked up shit.

>>22637488
>Fujos don't care about yuri in the slightest.
There's some overlap in audiences of BL and female oriented (non-moe) yuri and girls in general are more accepting of this stuff.
You'd be mostly correct to say that the main reason for them to support it would be to bring more legitimacy for their boys ships.
>>22637491
Because the staff wouldn't be able to pull it off and they certainly wouldn't invite anyone like Okada for example after IBO.
I blame Love Live, personally.

Pretty sure Fujos are sitting pretty thinking Guel is going to fuck his brother eventually

>>22637491
>It was the logical next step to having a female MC
Might as well be an argument against having a female MC in the first place. Mecha has never been successful with girls and it never will.

>>22637541
Mecha was VERY successful with girls, since, like, Grendizer at least.
Sure, they are mostly into hot guys (or shotas depending on the demographic), so having a female MC is retarded indeed, but still.

>>22637178
Yeah getting its sales split across two years absolutely fucks up the attempt to chart its sales

>>22637185
I didn't see more marketing for it than usual, it got a few videos and that's it. If anything it's undermarketed compared to other gundams because of how much promotional stuff just focuses on the girls

>>22637212
>One and two cour are the standard in anime
Only recently. They're only the standard now because its cheaper production. 50 episode series used to be far more common.

>>22637577

Would it have been expensive to do two cours of 25 episodes like 00 and IBO?

If we do get an Ad Stella sequel, that should be it?

>>22637599
Honestly, the less G Witch crap, the better.

>>22636411
 Out of all the criticisms that I've heard about SEED, this is the most retarded one I've seen yet.

>>22637633
G-Witch made money, Seed Freedom made money and even if those two flopped the Gundam franchise would have been fine.

>>22637648
Let's be real, Gundam is not some sort of dying franchise like Super Sentai. It got too big to fail at this point. If things gone sour, fuck it, just reuse old molds to cut production cost and put them in Build series.

When I went to Japan like two weeks ago it seemed like there was a good amount of WfM stuff, but nobody I saw was buying it. People just wanted SEED kits.

Also a lot of G-Witch merch is like acrylic stands and T-shirts and stuff and like less traditional Gundam merchandise. I can't explain it well. It is easier to find a shirt with Suletta on it than Char at this point, but you can buy 9000 Char Gunpla kits. A lot of really cool non-gunpla UC merch went wayside once the Gundam cafe in Akiba closed.

THEY REPLACED HER WITH A DUMBASS FUCKING TOY STORE I AM STILL MAD THANK FUCK I WENT IN 2019 AND GOT MY HYAKU SHIKI CURRY THEN FUCK YOU COVID AND BANDAI

FYI the best Gundam merch I saw in Japan besides a $300 Master Asia jacket were these Haro plushies that were too big for my carry on.

>>22637784
>>22637790
>>22637794
In retrospect I'm a little mad that I wasn't a Gundam fan in 2019 when I went. The exclusive gunpla shit alone that I didn't know the value of that I could've gone for, but didn't. It haunts me like the force ghost of an indian lady haunting my dreams.

>>22636411
>Feminist gundam
that's a stretch when Guel is still the best character

How isn't Zeta feminist when it has men and women in equal combat roles?

>>22637810
It is not feminism when women can equally die along with men. Feminism, not Equalism.

>>22637810
>Multiple characters talk about how awful it is for women to have to be soldiers, how it isn't their place
>All of the women in the show are retards
>Some of the women are ACTUAL retards

>>22637415
No, they do no.
If they appealed to young women they would had made female-ordered merch of commercial collaboration with brands aimed at women.
The only sucessful "female-aimed" merch was the character perfumes, but the only relevant thing was guel's perfume going sold out on pre-order, the cafe was kind of a flop because had two items and no original merch to sell along with.

>>22637519
Fujos are still making doujinshi and organizing events for him and his ships (mostly with his brother and the terrorist guy).

>>22637837
Some of the men are actual retards too? Are YOU an actual retard confusing characters being unlikeable with bad writing again?

>>22637519
last big doujinshi event athrun/cagalli had 89 circles, and i think is a pretty good number after the movie released and might increase over time.
on the other hand gwitch if it's not for comiket, it's as usual guel hegemony

Is the GOAT skirt-tsuki still making doujin?

>>22637898
Dude you honest to fucking God need to go outside and touch some fucking grass I am not even being funny in the slightest you schizophrenic freak

>>22637898
>Bikini Yukari isn't allowed
The P3 remake came out like three months ago.

>>22637903
Do u think Yawata(Disney plus exec)'s word will affect all anime including non Disney+ jail ones?

>>22637905
Well it objectively didn't affect that, considering it came out and had the exact thing in it your image said it couldn't have.

>>22637903
But dame dame 8 and P3R got fucked up by localization.

>>22637907
I meant for upcoming animes. I worry if TV animes will be affected by Yawata's word including ones are not disney+ exclusive.

>>22637911
Well maybe your image shouldn't show things getting banned that clearly weren't.

>>22637912
But Demon king misfit got Sasha and Misha's swimsuit censored as gender neutral burkini(long sleeved zipup shirt+pants) from Bikinis in LN while Anos and bois still wear boomerang pants due to SDGs.

>>22637914
Then put those in your image.

>>22637669
Or Olcott
Or El0n
Guel was truly the ship bicycle of the series

>>22637900
Don't u feel betrayed like Shinn Asuka who believed Zaft as based but betrayed by Dullindal's destiny plan which is literal wokism in cosmic era after Yawata the exec of Disney plus announced to make all upcoming animes to comply on woke standard? Japanese anime is dead. Korea and China never kneels to wokism for having 5000 years of history. Korea is like Compass, China is like orb.

>>22637960
While Japan is like Foundation. Kishida as Aura, Kawakami as Orphee, Inada Tomomi as Shura, and Takaichi as Ingrid. Destiny plan=SDGs.

>>22636424
>"mysterious financial problems"
>contract just simply ended
Stop being autistic anon

>>22636645
While IBO is not woke and more like right wing which glorifies war.

>>22636426
SEED Freedom's financial success off ticket sales alone seems to have been what pushed Bandai to straight-up walking back on their old statements to never revisit AUs again, and instead start capitalizing on select successful AUs, such as SEED, and possibly 00 and IBO.

>>22636426
Is seed freedom anti-woke agenda? Athrun is literally alt right coomer who is balding. Fukuda is anti-woke since he is netouyo. Fukuda would oppose on Disney plus exec, Yawata's word. Will Tomino agree on Yawata?

>guy ranting about how the Moonies are taking away bikinis in anime again on the giant robot board
What a time to be alive.

>>22638020
Are Moonies involved in USA too?

>bikinilad taking a dump in the gbitch spammers
He might not be so bad after all.

>>22638014
IBO's mobileshit game is getting an anime adaptation I believe

>>22638020
Yawata, exec of Disney plus announced DE(st)I(ny) plan on anime to get rid of bikinis from anime. It is national authority level of Policy,

>>22638045
It's humorous that it wasn't successful enough to make it to the intended ending, but not enough of a failure to just shutter like most other Gundam mobile games. So the next best option was to just animate it and somehow adapt hours worth of content into a coherent anime.
At least maybe we'll get kits of all 72 gundams this time, and probably will actually make more money instead of only drawing in viewers.

>>22638140
For some reason bandai has high standards for their mobile games even though they're all pretty low budget looking. Gundam is never going to do waifu gacha numbers unless they make a waifu gacha, which sunrise obviously doesn't want to do looking at how frumpy most of the female characters are, except Lacus in the GSF.

>>22638149
Is Meiryn being ugly in seed freedom due to wokism? She looks like 40 spite being 17. She makes Suletta looks cuter.

>>22637185
Watching you twist and squirm to try and find some reason why HG Aerial's success isn't genuine is truly something. What do you gain, where did life go so wrong for you .

>>22637248
>50 episodes because of AGE
You fucking retard, IBO got 50.

The issue is industry wide. Decades of low wages and poor working conditions along with the exponential growth of new anime new after year have done this. God damn you're stupid.

>>22637488
/Y/ had better, more thoughtful and coherent discussions than /m/ ever did while WfM was airing.

This board is truly brain dead and is full of gunpla faggots and /pol/tardd

>>22638149
>Breaker Mobile had multiple qt pilots prime for waifuing
>only tried to do a limited swimsuit ver. gacha once in four years
>no other holiday costume gachas ever attempted
they aren't ready for the waifu big leagues

>>22637103
>>22637109
Make that three.
These two could even get p-bandais for the school uniforms. That seems like a real bandai move.

>>22638207
You are right, you should leave while you still can.

>>22638197
I mean when you compare the climate wfm came out in…is that not enough to already give it a boost? It’s a show coming off of covid when a lot of people got into gunpla/gundam and anime as a whole is far more main stream combined with cute girls. It’s definitely successful but not because the show was good. It just capitalized on specific trends that many consumers were into including being a pretty decent snap build.

>>22638201

>You fucking retard, IBO got 50.

Fifty episodes in one cour. Each cour for 00 and IBO was 25 episodes each. Though I agree with you that because of how the industry's changed, we'll never get 50 episodes, 2 cours of 25 episodes or not. We need something to go back to that and it turned out, counting on WfM to revolutionize that was a mistake I made.

>>22638149
>which sunrise obviously doesn't want to do looking at how frumpy most of the female characters are, except Lacus in the GSF.
I do think they want to dosome of that, given the girls from Arsenal Base, UC Engage, Code Fairy, etc.
Honestly, with a bit of tweaking G-Witch could've been Blue Archive but instead of guns everyone just had mobile suits. So maybe more like that muvluv gacha.

>>22638221
>UC Engage, Code Fairy
They're ugly

>>22638222
Not really, but you're free to think that.

>>22638245
>actual, distinct appealing designs
Compare that to the brown gbitch blobs, grim how the same franchise could have such disparity but thank god it flopped.

>>22638247
>Compare that to the brown gbitch blobs
Who are you trying to convince besides yourself?

>>22638216
WfM was never going to be what did it. 2 24 cour shows exist but they largely are only given to something that will succeed in a large way and will be able to continue at such a pace constantly. It’s not going to be given to a new ip which just means AUs are most likely screwed unless there is just that much faith behind the show itself, the additional sidestories it produces, and of course the gunpla sales. Its not going to be given out to something that’s merely good enough.

>>22638256
Yuck, I hope they fired the intern that thought those designs were fine.

Please tell me I'm not looking at a Twitter post. Surely we haven't fallen that low.

>>22638265
You're free to be gay, but I'd rather you get from around here while you do it.

>>22637898
>Tomino is Anti-Woke
Tomino literally had staff members quit because he made Guin gay You stupid fuck. He's talked about his racist feelings and how he worked to undo them. The dude is a huge wife guy. Neck yourself

>>22638011
>not woke

>Openly gay characters
>Not woke

Woke really doesn't fucking mean anything huh. You don't even know what it's supposed to mean. Don't you feel shame in being an empty minded parrot?

>>22638214
No. I'm going to kill you with hammers.

>>22638215
Keep tying knots in your little noodle brain and your going to cut off the oxygen and have a stroke

>>22638245
>>22638247
I LOVE MID I LOVE MID I LOVE MID

MORE GENERIC WAIFUS PLEASE

>>22638296
>he made Guin gay
You're leaving a few details out. He made Guin a gay groomer who tried to gaslight a teenage boy into trooning out.

>>22638302
Nah you are just an obtuse faggot.

>>22638319
>trooning
Get out of the house you fat loser

>>22638221
there's a difference from having one note operators like almost every Gundam game does, and taking the steps to turn them into waifu bait

I cant think of any game that actually tried to make waifu mascots since Gundam Card Builder, who started out by asking Mine Yoshizaki to make to qts for the game

>OVA is nothing but fanservice
First anime, huh?

>>22638216
>Fifty episodes in one cour
You absolute idiot, you don't know what a cour is or means

>>22637810
>he thinks feminism is about equality
There's a few female characters in Zeta that tick all the boxes but that doesn't matter. If you allude to reality a single time feminists will never forgive you for it.
That's why you still get people bitching about Zeta because it's depiction of women wasn't flattering enough.

>>22636411
The opinion of westerners is irrelevant because it is always the wrong opinion.

>>22638296
>>22638302
>>22638402
Woke is about writing in characters of certain identities and plot points for the sake of political activism, through the representation of minority groups as virtuous and powerful and straight white males and malicious or ignorant. Tomino doesn't see art as just a means to make political gains - so he isn't woke, Gundam isn't woke, and non Western media is rarely woke.

"Woke" has a legal definition: https://www.fox13news.com/news/what<wbr>-does-woke-mean-gov-desantis-offici<wbr>als-answer-during-andrew-warren-tri<wbr>al

>>22638550
On the other hand, this is utterly subjective post-modernist Calvinball.

>HUUUUUUUR GUNDAM DOESN'T HAVE QT WAIFUS DUUUUUR

>>22638571
>Ron Desantis defines woke
Can you provide a non-biased source? I'm not trying to start a fight or be rude, I would just like a non-biased source of info please.

Why does this board hate Witch so much anyway? It doesn't feel like a natural hate, it feels like the kind born out of a totally unrelated mental illness and people are just fixating on the show by circumstance.

>>22638588
It brought a ton of secondaries who only watched it because twitter and tumblr gay memes so people here feel the need to shit on it to make it clear that they're not tourists. It's retarded but here we are.

>>22638588
I drink black coffee. I make pour over coffee that I buy from whole beans that I grind every other morning.

Now imagine watching others drink Starbucks, and the people who like Starbucks coming up to me and going "I love coffee just like you! Starbucks got me into coffee!"

>>22638604
In such a situation, I would go "I'm glad you're enjoying it." because I am not insane.

>>22638458
Bro dead ass said

>Ewww girls

Actual kissless virgin behavior. Beyond pathetic.

>>22637482
wrong, Suletta is cute and she appeals to me (also cute)

>>22638604
It is more like: Your favourite and familiar black coffee brand introduced a queer feminist-type of coffee. Then some newfags love this new flavour and claim people who doesn't like the new flavour as homophobic and sexist. You cannot criticize the new flavour, despite how it objectively mediocre and overrated.

>>22638610
NTA, but where do you think we are?

>>22638608
I can't be glad for people who like slop. Like if I see you consuming junk like McDonald's and I can't be happy for you. WfM is cheap junk. I get that you like it, but it isn't GOOD.

>>22638616
That's your problem, not anybody else's.

>>22638613
Your post might have some weight behind it, if not for the fact that your response to the show was literally to bitch and moan that it had homos and women in major roles - everything they are saying about you is true by your own admission, and you can't be reasonably assumed to be making a valid criticism of the show when you already hate it by principle.

>>22638622
I get that, but you asked why people hate WfM. That's my reason. It's a fucking awful mediocre show that people treat like it's this fucked over masterpiece, and I have to share a fandom with those people.

I'm glad people went on to watch actual good Gundam after, but it sucks that you had to eat Olive Garden before you got to an actual Tuscan meal.

>>22638624
Bitch i have more obscure yaoi manga than your regular stinky fujoshi. It is not that i hate G Witch's story content because it has carpet muncher and YAS KWEEN SLAY in it. Gundam doesn't need such thing. And on top of that, even the Gundam mechs don't look like Gundam anymore, might as well dismiss these new gen shows as something else entire.

>>22638550
>Tomino doesn't see art as just a means to make political gains

Tomino literally made G-Reco to show the foolishness of Japanese remilitarization efforts.

Tomino said he felt defeated when making the Zeta movies because it didn't stop Japan from changing their constitution to allow for more military growth.

To imply Tomino is right wing is to say you don't know shit about the man and have the media literacy of a star wars youtuber

>>22638604
Normal people who were properly socialized as children would say "Cool, if you like X you should definitely try Y"

Instead of being a pathetic faggot

>>22638633
I'm gonna be honest with you, chief. I'm so sick of Tomino and everything about him. Okawara has more credits in making Gundam popular than Tomino ever wished to be.

>>22638644
And normal people who were properly socialized as children wouldn't hang out on fucking 4chan to begin with what is your point you mouthbreather?

>22638610
Hi AkumatsuT!
>>22638263
So we're never getting 50-episode Gundam again unless it's a SEED Astray/Crossbone adaptation?
>>22638632
I like some of the G-Witch mecha but Aerial looks like that thing from Valvrave. Speaking of Valvrave, the biggest issue with G-Witch is that it's a classic trainwreck mecha show like Aldnoah.Zero and Valvrave, except people are insisting it's an amazing Gundam show rather than a cheap way for Sunrise to appeal to moe/yuri fans.

>>22638615
I know a guy who is an autistic Transformers/Thomas/Gundam collector and has a double digit body count and has had multiple long time GFs.

With how normalized anime has become being a weeb is no longer an excuse.

>>22638630
>why people hate WfM
Yeah people. Not deeply insecure freaks that use arbitrary niche interests as a way to claim superiority over complete strangers.

Get help

>>22638658
>arbitrary niche interests
You mean Gundam? The same arbitrary niche interest we supposedly both share?

>>22638647
>Okawara has more credits in making Gundam popular than Tomino

Just say your a Gunpla only faggot and that you don't actually engage with he franchise outside of your dolls.

>>22638647
You're such a sad little freak, instant turnabout and denial of the praise you yourself gave the instant it clicked in your head Tomino wasn't the fantasy you'd imagined him to be.

>>22638660
Yeah except I engage with it because I enjoy it. Not to delude myself into believing I'm better than other people I've never met.

>>22638665
>instant turnabout and denial of the praise you yourself gave the instant it clicked in your head Tomino wasn't the fantasy you'd imagined him to be.
I watched CCA movie and instantly knew he was a faggot from day 1. His stuff is just not good even before i know more about him as a person.

>>22638666
I don't think I'm better than strangers. Just G-Witch fans who I KNOW like shit.

>>22638664
>Gunpla only faggot
Yes i am. And i don't fucking care about these gay anime. I enjoy Okawara, Ebikawa, Yanase and to some extend, Wataru Inada.

>>22638669
Uh huh, sure anon, that's why you were harping on about
>T-Tomino isn't woke!! He's against all the things I hate!
bullshit 10 minutes ago. You already made a fucking fool of yourself, you should just stop posting.

>>22638653
>With how normalized anime has become being a weeb is no longer an excuse.
And it never should have been normalized. We're in this mess of constant G-Witch slapfighting because the majority of the new blood are ironic fans obsessed with being "weebs/anime nerds", "mid vs peak", "taste", and 3x3s. They don't care about quality because they don't actually like anime and they're only interested in it to feel special, so they like G-Witch purely for being something popular in a fanbase that's niche within the "anime community", even though if G-Witch came out 10 years earlier it would be as hated as something like Star Driver, AGE, or Aldnoah.Zero. These G-Witch secondaries will never develop an actual taste for mecha outside what they think will impress people online. If anime was still uncool, we'd have higher quality discussion rather than these stupid slapfights because the fans wouldn't care about looking more impressive/enlightened than each other. We'd have *gasp* actual discussions about the stories and characters from an in-universe perspective! I swear, this idiocy makes /m/'s old spammers like Clawshrimpy and even Duel look like model posters.

>>22638674
Prove it. Show me somebody who started with Witch and is saying that it's the only good Gundam so they won't bother watching any others. Find me the person. <s>And don't just drop a burner Twitter account of yours with zero likes or retweets as "proof"</s>

>>22638672
Go back to fucking reddit then

>>22638674
I've seen multiple people of Twitter start with GWitch and move onto 0079. You can't even get Gunpla tards to do that

>>22638673
Sorry to disappoint you, anon, but i don't even care about his personal political views or how he has a half white grandson. He is a faggot because his works is all barks but no bites, non stop yapping with no substance.
I unironically enjoy tranny shits and can show you my bookmarks and stuff i bought if you are curious. I'm more left leaning than you could ever wanted.

ESL making /m/ a shithole, what a surprise.

>>22638677
That's not at all what I said. Plenty of the G-Witch people will get into other Gundam and mecha shows, but again, it will all be ironic and they'll be going through the motions of enjoyment to look cool online because they're now "Gundam nerds". Maybe some genuine fans will come of G-Witch -- I've seen a couple of genuine long-time Gundam fans who liked G-Witch, so it's not impossible -- but they will be in the minority. If you care about this board and community, this should scare you.

Do you ever wonder if this dude having constant spergouts over Witch is the exact same one as the guy who kept calling IBO "felcher gundam"?

>>22638686
Faggotry lead to another faggotry. No surprise.

>>22638693
>but again, it will all be ironic and they'll be going through the motions of enjoyment to look cool online because they're now "Gundam nerds"
So you're saying EXACTLY what I said you were, and you're trying to doublethink yourself into imagining you're smart.

>>22638696
Is your back sore from moving the goalposts? You said that they'll NEVER watch any other Gundam/mecha, which I didn't say in any of my posts. I just said they may watch it, but ironically and insincerely.

>>22638694
>the guy who kept calling IBO "felcher gundam"?
That was Duel, pretty sure. Not the same guy.

>>22638690
When it's not the spics, it's the SEAnigs. Can never catch a break these days.

>>22638699
That is you literally admitting I'm correct that they'll go on to watch other Gundams, but still trying to convince yourself it "doesn't really count" as watching them and can pretend your false assertion was right.

>>22638703
Gundam is like, you watched 1 show, you watched them all. Boring shits.

>>22638312
Why so worked up? It’s a legitimate factor to consider when you talk about how something sells. Climate surrounding its release plays a huge part in what is expected/achievable.

>>22638703
Have you seen mainstream "anitwt" or anime subreddits or "anime Tiktok" or big anime Youtubers? They're all ironic fans obsessed with throwing buzzwords at one another and impressing one another. The fact that the biggest anime Youtuber is freaking Gigguk speaks volumes. He's so obviously fake, yet people think he's a good source for anime discussion.

>>22638712
>"Grifters exist! That means everyone who's ever watched this show is a fake!"
That's totally unrelated to the discussion, anon.

>>22638652
It’s incredibly rare that we do even in that circumstance. The best thing anyone can hope for in this environment is the return of OVAs cause that’s the only way we’re getting any longer stories told with the industry as it is.

>>22638714
75% of new fans ARE grifters and fakes, though. And I didn't say "anyone ever"; I said that there are some genuine fans of the show who are also genuine Gundam fans, but these aren't the majority.

>>22638718
Gunpla only people is the true Gundam because they are actually faithful to the brand, unlike anime fans who watch one show then forget it the momment the next show comes out.

>>22638717
If OVAs returned, they would be direct-to-Netflix, which is never good. But if it resulted in another Konpeki no Kantai or LOGH where it's several episodes released over several years, I would be happy. It seems they're doing that with that new Junji Ito anime; hopefully it will inspire more high-quality, long-wait shows.

>>22638686
The people who do that tend to be the ones who will call previous gundams boring or mid and laud wfm as being the peak of the series in everything from animation to characters to sound and mech design etc etc. The issue people have with wfm “fans” is they say that kind of thing and genuinely mean it. It’s a different kind of faggotry than some gundam fag jumping from newest entry to newest entry declaring the most recent one the best and all others bad. There is a genuineness that permeates their belief about their shows own superiority and they only watch older gundams so they can further go “g-witch definitely took this old theme from zeta and did it so much more justice” as if it is the pinnacle of every gundam ever and they will mean it.

>>22638723
Honestly, OVA nowadays have more nigga tranny slops than corpo anime stuff. This is the modern world we are living in now. I think it is time to move on from story-based hobby and go on to physical hobby. Buying the modelkits, merchandises, read books and play sports, etc...It is much healthier for us.

>>22638247
They look generic as fuck.
>>22638256
They are better than Code fairy designs. BUt the best girls are from Build fighters and 00.

>>22638723
They’re actually doing that somewhat with the new LOGH:DNT. I think that format has its place but it’s not ever going to be able to replace what was lost. The wait means that unless they can keep merchandising or they have a way to keep it in people’s minds, something like guncafe with its events, the fall off over time is going to be rough.

>>22638633
No one claimed Tomino was right wing though you should go read his Zeta interviews where he is pro gender essentialism and thinks that women being in the military is bad for them emotionally, lol). Having a political message in your work isn't the same as only making art for the sake of pushing that message. Also, "wokeness" is about positive representation for minority groups and "inclusivity" as a primary goal of making art - views on actual national geopolitical issues like remilitarization have nothing to do with it at all.

>>22638245
>>22638256
They both look like absolute shit

>>22638771
Ahh here it is. This is what Zeta is about.

"Women are fundamentally unable to become pilots because their nature is aligned with preservation.

This inherent inclination is also a primary element of survival, and women have no reprieve from this role.

Once born as a female, even if her nature deviates from its natural course, women will either assume this role or yearn for it.

This puts women on equal footing with men.

Women aspire to be equal with men in stature. This aspiration is what separates women from men.

We won’t be debating the validity of this aspiration.

At the same time, it is because of these women that the men, as pilots, are able to face their deaths.

Accordingly, these women serve an important role in conveying what it means to be a pilot.

Women aspire to convey the hopes and desires that will be inherited by their children, and future pilots.

This is the primitive expression of the “species.”

This is a future when this natural course has become warped…

This is the age of “Zeta Gundam”, and the pilots who lived in this era."

https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_i<wbr>d=8174

>>22638771
Tomino is someone who likes a lot of leftist ideals, especially environmentalist ideals, but hates leftism as an ideology, which breaks people's brains. If his work has one political message, it's that all extremist ideologies, even the ones that have a morally correct foundation, are just tools that power-hungry individuals use to control people, and anyone who says they have the answers to life's problems doesn't have your best interests at heart. It's a viewpoint that's disillusioned with the idea that revolutions ever really succeed in anything besides simply changing who the oppressors are, and historically speaking, there's not really any evidence that he's wrong.

>>22638802
No wonder he felt frustrated while working on this show lmao. The most popular thing came out of these shows are exaggerated manifestation of masculinity aka giant hulking robots, meanwhile mommyboy Tomino wanted to tell stories about YAS KWEEN SLAY. What a fucking cuck.

>>22638808
He is wrong about everything, though. The concept of "goody twoshoes will give us better future" is fucking delusional.

>>22638808
Yes - Tomino is anti ideology and fairly critical of large political institutions .A Japanese boomer's views aren't going to fit into neat categories defined by terminally online western zoomer political squabbling, that's my point. Tomino isn't woke or anti-woke, he's not part of that conversation.

>>22638810
>meanwhile mommyboy Tomino wanted to tell stories about YAS KWEEN SLAY.

Tomino:

>Women are fundamentally unable to become pilots because their nature is aligned with preservation.

>This inherent inclination is also a primary element of survival, and women have no reprieve from this role.

>Once born as a female, even if her nature deviates from its natural course, women will either assume this role or yearn for it.

Gen Z can't read.

>>22638828
He made several stories that dismissed these points, you fucking mongoloid.

>>22638836
You're literally gen z perm zoomer cut jew style black cube on head

>>22638836
Like what? "Women have stopped being mothers, and men have let it happen" Brain Powerd? Victory Gundam? Where a genocidal dictatorship uses resentiment against patriarchy as justification to dominate people and all the female pilots are either insane, die, or are redeemed by being pregnant? G-Reco where Mani follows Luin no matter how wrong he is and the one notable enemy female ship commander takes down her whole ship in a suicidal frenzy over her teenaged boy lover?

>>22638573
>Can you provide a non-biased source?
There's a direct quotation. What more do you want?

Ron Desantis didn't define woke, but his high-powered legal team did. As far as I can tell, their definition hasn't been challenged in court, so it represents the best American conservative thought has to offer on the matter.

>>22638865
Hell let's consider Turn A? Who continually makes combat needless erupt due to personal pettiness and puts everyone at risk, more than anyone else?. Sochie and Poe. And this is the same show where a brown gay man abuses his political power to make a minor act out his sexual fetish.

Tomino is pro environmentalist, against millitarism, but not at all politically correct when it comes to gender and sexuality. He manages to trigger both sides on that.

>>22638802
This is definetly gynocentrism, and while there's a lot of overlap with feminism they aren't the same thing. I guess that's where people are getting tripped up.

>>22638876
The whole point of Zeta is that giving women formal equality, like equal roles in male dominated institutions, won't alter the essential differences between the sexes, and a bunch of new tensions and issues will arise from it. Which we constantly see in Zeta with characters like Reccoa and Fa - and even Emma, she wanted to just be a soldier, but the Raddish chose to sacrifice themselves for "Miss Emma" their words - they still saw her as a woman until the end. "Equal is dignity but unequal in role" isn't really gynocentrism.

>>22638888
Nice digits. It's the particular role being given to women that has me convinced.
>Accordingly, these women serve an important role in conveying what it means to be a pilot.
>Women aspire to convey the hopes and desires that will be inherited by their children, and future pilots
The idea that women form the bedrock of every soldier's mentality/value system is about as close as you can get to the definition of gynocentrism while still keeping the story about the soldiers themselves. I'm not saying there aren't other themes that are more central to the story, but this type of thing isn't rare in Gundam.

>>22638921
Oh ok - so it's not about gynocentric political domination - but more so "women being able to nurture the next generation is our reason to fight" - that's 100% a Tomino kind of view. It's the benevolent service oriented aspect of patriarchy.

>>22638808
>hates leftism as an ideology

He has never said that. He's said he doesn't like Marxists/Communists (and even then he was referencing some edgelords in college) but that isn't leftism. That's one specific ideology, you mental midget

>>22638149
Maybe they should have tried by reviving Mai-Hime/Mai-Otome instead. Then slowly expand into the Banrise Waifu-verse from other series.

>>22639023
Unironically. It is a healthy way to entertain yourself.

>>22638808
I'd like to add that I think it's less that ideologues in Tomino's eyes are always people who are just looking to exploit you, even if many of them are. He has the same frustration anybody would have when looking at political movements, especially ones he agrees with, ultimately fail and realizing the lack of sense in wanting to create a more free and accepting world, and wanting to create an organized movement designed to enforce that world. He wouldn't go as far as to say that revolutions are never justified, but that they are inherently contradictory and that corrupts us as humans.

It's also pretty in-line with the cyclical view of history that old Asian historians tended to go with (and many still do) desu.

>>22639268
These politics shits are so boring. When will Gundam get good?

>>22638612
So you like retards? Gotta keep you far away from child institutions and care homes.

>>22637501
>Plenty of fujos are lesbians themselves
This doesn't even make sense. Or is this what that girl who rejected you told you? That she's a lesbian? Dude. Learn to read the room.

>>22639889
Old school fujos are mainly straight, its the new western ones that tend to be lesbians to the point that even the yaoi they draw has the characters being cuntboys. Fujos have fallen off so far from their glory days that you can hardly even call this new wave fujos to begin with.

>>22639955
>that tend to be lesbians
You mean 'political lesbians', which is just straight/bi, but need the lesbian label for oppression/feeling special points?

>you can hardly even call this new wave fujos to begin with
If you draw art of two guys, but make one of them a girl, it's just self-insertion.

>>22636421
>You seem to forget that Gundam is the most normie franchise from Japan.
Pokemon, Dragon Ball, and Sanrio would beg to differ on that.

>>22636411
>the director of the movie that made them a GORILLION DOLLARS should be fired
These fags are so delusional lmfao

Do you suppose Aerial sold the best due to them using better materials on it?

This might be just me, but most of the grunt suits felt pretty cheap when holding it.

>>22639289
Yawn. When will your brain develop some power?

>>22638687
>He is a faggot because his works is all barks but no bites, non stop yapping with no substance.
You wouldn't know substance if it bite you at the end of your little micro uncircumcised penis. All your posts have been nothing more than a white underage hipster's sound & fury. Get your head of your ass & plug your mouth with a pacifier. The adults are talking.

>>22636411
>My only opinion on the Seed IP
already invalidated
>big queer feminist gundam show
which was half-assed
>singlehandedly revitalized the franchise
it didn't. SEED did.
>sidelines and sexualizes all the women
It's consistent with the show
>focus on the cisnet male lead
Yes, that's the point of the main character
>deserved to get fired/demotion
If anything, he deserves a promotion

Out off all the complaints I've heard about SEED, this one is by far the most retarded .

>>22640461
When i watch something that is not Gundam.

>>22640741
Sounds like a (you) problem & not "gundam"


Anonymous

>brings characters from other stories like Lost War Side Stories and Miller's Report
Now this is the definitive UC wankfest I'm all for

>>22636646
>Urakiwank the manga
And i'm perfectly fine with that.


Why is /m/ toxic? You'd think a niche hobby would bring anons together but you're all willing to go to all out wars for the slightest difference in opinions. It's like everyone refuses to understand anyone else's viewpoint here.

>>22636707
Welcome to modern 4chan. And despite /m/'s issues, it's miles better than Reddit and Twitter, so I like it warts and all.
Captcha: PAST

>>22636708
The truth that you don't want to look at is that everyone is the same. Anons, Twittards, redditards. It's the exact same person.

>>22636709
w o a h
*hits pipe*
*dies*
*turns into a swan and flies off*

>>22636709

I go here to talk to fellow mecha fans. I generally avoid associating myself with the bigots here.

>>22636707
I'm in a similar boat to >>22637607 and >>22636708 I don't have anywhere else to really go, so here I am.

>>22637607
>I go here to talk to fellow mecha fans
No you're not. You're here to whine like a little girl. If you wanted to talk about mecha shit you'd talk about mecha shit. Instead you're being a tit.

>>22636707
Fuck off faggot we are not toxic
kill yourself

>>22636707
This isn't exclusive to mecha anon. Welcome to the internet.

Everyone on /m/ lives on Earth so unfortunately our souls are still pulled down by gravity.

Honestly /m/ isn't bad at all, a bit slower nowadays but there will always be dumb arguments and bait so you just gotta roll with it.

>>22637651
>Yeah just move to space bro it will evolve us as a species

>>22636707
Because of the shitty sore incels. Same as /toy/ board its full of them

>>22637882
There are incels on 4chan? My goodness are you sure? I am stunned by this revelation.

>comes into 50 year old mecha franchise
>comes onto 4chan
>complains when the fandom they just joined doesn't cater to them more
>calls existing fans toxic and tries to change the fandom
>corporations respond to change in fandom dynamics and all MCs are now fat black women

>>22636707
Is it? I just hide the awful threads shitting the catalog so I can't tell.

>>22637902
Anon, I appreciate that leftoid shitheads making stupid and mediocre media is annoying, because it is but I was very literally asking you for examples of the troon nigger jews doing what you have described with a mecha franchise. You could at least have posted NuVoltron or that Transformers show with the nonbinary cast member or something and not some Disney self-insert for something which was already an IP.

>>22636707
Cute Emma drawing. Love that artist’s stuff.

>>22637963
Gbitch is literally that, black and fat women.
This thread is offtopic why the fuck is it still up?

I for one never found the term Gbitch to be clever or funny, regardless of how I view the show.

Imagine /m/ without snapshitters, trannies, and tourists (Eva fans)

I am watching Warriors of the Wind and nobody can stop me!

>>22637902
That's a latina. Also your post missed the mark.

>>22638879
>>22638883
Said Eva fans brought to you by jewflix. Classic. Everything always comes full circle.

>>22636707
>but you're all willing to go to all out wars for the slightest difference in opinions
Its not opinions its fact. I swear /m/ is stupidly stupidly retarded on what should be basic fucking facts.
You would think a board that heavily enjoys Gundam and LoGH would know of WW2
But nope cant fucking do it
Not do mention the retarded activists on mecha of all things. Who likewise fail basic history.
And equally bad the worthless fucking cowards.

/m/ isn't really that bad compared to the majority of other 4chan boards even in recent times but it has more to do with them declining even harder than /m/

>>22639121
There's activists in every genre or franchise but for some godforsaken reason its way worse in mecha. Is it purely because mecha is so niche that the crazies have more sway?

>>22636707
>>22637607

>"man, I love mecha, the stories, the very classic sci-fi tropes, and of course the awesome robots. It really makes me think about humanity and how we leverage the tools we create in order to change the world for good or-"

>"GAY GAY GAY, MAIN CHARACTER IS QUEER. HAS GAY SEX WITH RIVAL, HOT STEAMING LESBIAN SEX. I NEED TO KNOW WHO HOOKS UP NEXT. PROTAG QUEER-CODED, XHES JUST LIKE ME. GET OUT YOU FUCKING BIGOT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY HEAD CANON THEN IT WASN'T MADE FOR YOU."

I can't imagine why its so to find common ground these days

>>22639330
Maybe you should avoid social media anon.

>>22639340

Well I wish I could say that, but it really has infected the genre as a whole:

>be me
>somewhat isolated in my appreciation of mecha
>met a girl talking about how much they liked nuVoltron (this was before season 2 when the show was still somewhat on the rails)
>bamboozled and somewhat excited, I told her I was a fan of Voltron and asked what she liked about it.
>told me about how much she loved shipping the orange guy with some rando alien, and about their gay RedGuyXBlueGuy headcanon.
>didn't talk about the robot once, or any sort of themes, only interested in who was banging who
>dumbfounded, I state how I'm surprised since historical Voltron has been a very boy oriented franchise
>immediately called a sexist bigot

Somehow, tumblr has taken over mecha.

>>22639330
Wait till you hear why Godmars was popular.

>>22636997
 One is allowed per board, wannabe jannie

>>22636707
>Why is /m/ toxic?
Either bait or a retarded newfag. Either way why would anyone bump this dogshit thread.

>>22639865
Even worse when you're delusional and can't see the infighting.

>>22639865
If you're so bothered by it, you know what you need to do.

>>22641438
call OP a faggot and report their cybaby thread as the off topic shit that it is

Newfaggots ruin everything, /a/faggots ruin everything, /r9k/faggots ruin EVERYTHING, /pol/faggots ruin E V E R Y T H I N G. Any time you want to complain about /m/ or any other board, remember this.

Do yourself a favor and just stop coming on this stupid fucking website as often. We're sitting inside the skeleton of a horse that was beaten to death a decade ago. My new approach for /m/ and the site at large is to leave for anywhere from multiple months to several years, come back for a day, shitpost and shake my fist at some incels, then fuck off again by sunset. Life IRL is delightfully free of absolute fucking retards, if you pick your close friends well enough.

Seriously, you're all participating in the exact same fucked up social media game as all the faggots you don't like from reddit, twitter or wherever else. Your brains are fucking mulch, you're not having real discussions or making real connections. Your """discussions""" are becoming more and more disingenuous and inflammatory because you're too stupid and uninformed to actually talk about something interesting in depth. Most of the people who had any amount of knowledge/insight have long since fucked off or died. All that's left is underaged fuckheads and stupid, angry, sexually frustrated retards.

Okay, fist shaking done, next on the list is fucking off again. I hope every single one of you pieces of shit fail to procreate. I'll come back to laugh at you again in a few years, this time--looking at your catalog I don't think I'll miss much.

It seems like a small and slow board for a niche subject that has easily been taken over by one or few very dedicated and hostile posters who can easily swing the culture and seed vitriol because they have nothing else to do. You can tell it's sometimes the same guy trying to start shit over simple unimportant disagreements in every other thread. This is a common problem across all of 4chan

>>22637899
>>complains when the fandom they just joined doesn't cater to them more
I doubt most posters on /m/ were watching Japanese teenagers watching Gundam in 1979

>>22637902
What's the point of this. And that movie was made by two Colombian-American men who worked at Disney for years and decided to make a 100 Years of Solitude clone for kids instead of taking something else and changing it, kinda different

>>22638879
>>22639097
I remember this place always bitching and moaning about eva

>>22641474
>I hope every single one of you pieces of shit fail to procreate
why are americans like this

>>22641693
More like bitching & moaning about evafags aka obnoxious zealot evatards. Rightfully so. Don't hate the show hate the fans. The show is fine its the hyper austic fans that's garbage.


I've read the Getter Robo manga, what other mecha manga are good? I'm finding I like mecha in manga, film and OVA format more than a 50 episode TV show format.

>>22636929
Bokurano aka Ours
Linebarrels

>>22636929
I'm finding that you're a fucking idiot

>>22636929
>what other mecha manga are good?
You don't have many options, desu.
Gundam has a couple worth reading like MSVR, Thunderbolt, Ecole du Ciel, etc.
Front Mission Dog Life & Dog Style is pretty solid, although is somewhat anthological so not all stories are equally good.
Mazinger Zero
Five Star Stories is pretty interesting in terms of world, art and designs but the actual plot is eh.
Haven't read Joushi Koehi but heard its cool
Record of ATX is pretty fun during fights but its pretty boring when the characters talk.
Red Eyes although its power armors.
Break Blade but from what i understand its essentially unfinished.
Jinki/Winvourga is pretty fun and sexy but not all the manga series are fully translated.
Yeah, there's not much.

>>22636929
i haven't found anything that beats Tandem Lover for me. i just love rusty-ass coldwar-looking mecha. Full Metal Panic 0 might beat it since there's a wider variety of designs in it but it's not available for burgers yet
the Front Mission manga is a pretty close second, too

>>22636929
If you liked Getter, checking out its sister series Mazinger seems like the next step to go to

>>22637446
If I couldn't into the TV series would I like the manga of Mazinger?

>>22637469
If by TV series you mean the Toei show, it's worth a try. If you mean Shin Mazinger, yeah then you won't be liking the manga.

Patlabor.<br>I didn't watch the third movie, but it's manga equivalent gets points for not sidelining the main cast in favor of some detectives.

>>22637917
>muh detectives
You people are like babies.

>>22636929
You have to fucking read Linebarrels of Iron, and only read it. The LN for Full Metal Panic is also good. Broken Blade, Gundam Thunderbolt and the Gundam 00 manga are also good choices.

Linebarrels of Iron - Vol.25 Ch.122 - 27.png

>>22637917
I’m finding the manga so damn boring and I thought the TV series is alright

>>22636929
Just SEED Astray, Vanadis Heart, Five Star Stories, Schell Bullet, Locke the Superman, Hakaioh, 2002 Demon Lord Dante, 1999 Galaxy Express 999, the original Kamen Rider manga, Ryuu no Michi, Hi no Tori, Guyver, Mistuteru Yokoyama's MARS, and the original Giant Robo manga. For novels the SEED novels, Tomino's 0079 trilogy, Hathaway's Flash, the 1974 Yamato novelization, Secret Rendezvous, and the Gargantia sequel/prequel novels are worth reading. The ongoing Bravern novel and the upcoming Baan Gaan novel also look good. Finally, for Western comics, Void Rivals, all of Dreamwave's Transformers comics, Robo Dojo, the Exo-Force comics, Robotech II, Chaser Platoon, Armored Road Police, Broid, Cybersuit Arakdyne, the Bionicle comics, the Italian Gundam 0079 comics, the Harlock/Emeraldas/Star Blazers comics, and Mech Cadets are good.
Most mecha manga aren't worth reading since they're either abridged advertisements for the anime, straight retreads of the anime, or very poorly handled afterthoughts to the anime. Getter Robo and what I've listed are the only worthwhile mecha manga, so mecha may not be the genre for you if you don't like 50-episode shows. These shows weren't made with the expectation that you watch every single episode, and even if you don't have time to watch a 20-minute episode every day, you can split it in half at the eyecatch. There are also short mecha anime like Hikarian and Strange Steel Fairy Rouran.


https://youtu.be/OdrFbdG7L8E?si=8Vu<wbr>CtZtVfRgVB0vP

Why did AGE fail again? Everything from the game looks pretty damn cool

They tried to speedrun 0079/Zeta/ZZ/CCA in a single 50 episode series. It wasn't nearly enough time to introduce, develop, and convince people to give a fuck about any of it's characters. It also ended on Kio, possibly the single worst offender for the power of UNDERSTANDING in the entire franchise.

>>22637102
It was enjoyable up until the final arc.
That final 10 episodes is very haphazard, because you have some compelling elements such as the conclusion to the Zehart/Asemu rivalry, and there's a lot of characters who get killed off which gives it a real sense of urgency and stakes, but Kio's pacifism is really poorly thought out, and the EXA-DB plotline and Vegan Gear Sid stuff with Ezelcant's clone is all done at the last minute.

It's a real shame because AGE had the pieces setup for a really climatic finale, but it drops the ball so hard.

Instead of the Vegan gear Flit should've gotten ahold of the EXA-DB and then constructed a massive Gundam MA in the vein of the GP03 Dendrobium or Freedom Meteor.
Then he sets out to massacre the Vegans, but Kio confronts him. Flit fights Kio and Asemu without regard for the Vegan colony, damaging it severely causing it to start falling into earth's orbit. Flit then realizes he's twisted the image of Gundam from a savior to a devil and his drive for revenge have doomed both earth and Vegan. Then for a final universal century homage Kio, the remaining Vegan, and EF forces push back the falling Vegan colony CCA style. Flit sacrifices himself while saving the Vegan colony from falling unto earth by using the AGE system one last time to build equipment for his gundam to lift the colony back into orbit. Kio does reentry in the AGE FX's core fighter.

>>22638086
Wasted potential like most AUs

The story is bad because it was originally meant for a video game but then Level-5 decided nah, let's do an anime first.

>>22637126
It is plenty of time to develop those characters, bad anime just don't efficiently use their time. Good movies make you care about characters within the runtime of about 4-5 episodes. Plenty of 6-12 episode OVAs/series also do so. Gundam AGE's story is what happens when you take a story designed for a video game and just directly adapt it to screen.

But another issue is just the basic mismatch in concept. With AGE they were trying for one of those "kiddy multimedia project" things and it was just ill-conceived. They got Level-5 and their experience with colorful kiddy shit and tried to combine it with the grimderp war drama shit of Gundam. Those two things do not go together at all. Level-5 execs circlejerking how much they love gundam with incessant UC references doesn't help much- though that is just something that plagues Gundam in general (though we might have AGE to thank for that being reduced a bit in more recent AUs).

This is to say nothing of L5's spotty writing in general. Like I said they're best when they stick to kiddy stuff, but any time they had more adult themes or complex ideas coming into their work it was usually bad. Like a lot of the Layton plots only work because of the whimsical tone, in other contexts they would be harangued for being stupid as fuck. They are also really terrible at writing female characters in general. Again, this doesn't count as much against you when writing kiddy stuff meant for little boys, but AGE felt like it wanted to please both kids and Gundam fans.

Build Fighters came shortly after AGE, succeeding at exactly what AGE failed at- be the kiddy part of the franchise, while pleasing long-time fans with something simple and fun. It turns out if you want to do that, you don't include the stupid grimderp "war is hell" subtext into your obvious toy commercial.

As an aside, the AGE game itself is mediocre and forgettable. Like many L5 games it's repetitive grindy shit. Not terrible, but I wouldn't replay it.

>>22638086
Gundam gets Level-5 of White Knight Chronicles/Layton/Ni no Kuni/Yokai Watch fame to do a Gundam show. They want to capture the kiddy audience. Level-5 exec is a huge Gundam nerd so they reproduce large parts of the 0079/Zeta/ZZ/CCA story, packaged as a "three generational story". Bit more spoiler details below:

Gen 1: Kid hero Flit loses mother to the mysterious Unknown Enemy, they appear to be some kind of alien force out to kill humanity. They're actually Martians who got dicked over by the Federation. Flit takes mommy's AGE system to build his totally-not-RX-78 and fights the bad guys while awakening to his own strange Newtype-expy abilities (X-Rounder).

Gen 2: Flit is now a higher-ranking commander. Seethes at the Vagan more and more over the generation as his friends die on the front lines. His son, Asem, is typical high school student kid and friends with Vagan super secret agent Zeheart. Cue Zeheart's obvious betrayal and Asem going after him in the totally-not-Zeta to try to restore his idyllic teenage BFF school days. Asem finds out he has literally 0 X-Pounder aptitude so he has to become a Super Pilot™ to keep up with all the ubermensch. Asem later marries the girl caught between him and Zeheart even though it's obvious to any viewer Asem and Zeheart have way more chemistry with each other than any female.

Gen 3: Asem decides he's gonna be a deadbeat dad and disappears right after his son Kio is born, actually becomes a pirate and gives his Zeta pirate claws and skulls because we need a Crossbone reference in here. Kio grows up to have insane X-Pounder abilities so I guess it's one those things that skips a generation. Uses his infinite psychic power of understanding to annoy the audience more than any Gundam protagonist ever and magically gets Flit to let go like 50+ years of hatred to become the savior he always was meant to be. Happy ending for all, even for a lot of people who don't deserve it.

>>22638167
A few of those points don’t sound very kiddy

>>22638174
That is probably part of why it didn't really succeed. On paper the plot points don't seem that much different from your standard AU. The kiddy-ness is mostly in the art and the general simplicity with which it handles its ideas.

>>22638183
I’m watching the OP vid and it doesn’t look very kidsy

>>22638189
Dunno what to tell you. The colors are very bright and saturated for one thing, and look at the character designs for example. Just take Flit and compare him to Setsuna, Heero or even Kira- he looks way more like the kind of kid hero you'd see in a more kid-oriented anime like Beyblade or Inazuma Eleven or something. Also look at silly character designs like pic related. The only other non-Build Fighters AU that I would say has a style even close to it is actually IBO, and it's one of the things that was a bit offputting about that show at first. Of course IBO made it clear it wasn't a kiddy show with both the color palette and a lot of the clothing and setting choices, as well as having more violence in its action scenes. IBO's first OP wasn't really unclear about the tone either.

>>22638195
Just watched a little girl die pretty terribly

>>22637102
The anime was too lame. Too little episodes devoted to each main protagonist.
>>22637547
>>22637102
AGE Could have worked as a 2 generation anime. But three generations is too much.

>>22638273
Nah, three generations is fine. Seeing Flit's development was one of the good things in AGE.

>>22638167
>they appear to be some kind of alien force out to kill humanity
I remember when AGE was initially airing. The UE seemed like such an interesting concept, especially with their weird animalistic designs. The whole thing being a redo of Nadesico's plot was probably the most boring possible answer (at least in the greater context of Gundam) and of course it ended up being the right one.

Even then, they should've at least done something silly with the bad guys like say they spliced their DNA with animals or some shit to explain the weird Vagan designs. If you're gonna do kiddy shit at least do the fun things too.

>>22638367
The thing is the three generations works for Flit, but only for Flit. This is both because Flit is the only important character who appears in all three generations, and because the way he gets old and hard-faced, is a visual metaphor for his decaying morality. Some of the gen 1 characters make it into gen 2, nobody from gen 2 makes it into gen 3, and that ends up making pretty much everything about gen 2 a waste of time except for establishing that Asem and Zeheart want to fuck each other. Which is also a waste of time because ultimately Asem just puts Zeheart down like a dog in probably the most humiliatingly one-sided defeat a Char has ever had.

This shot is great. The way Flit ends up with nearly the exact same beard as Grodek, the one who's directly responsible for turning Flit into what he became, is great. The way Flit eventually piles so much weaponry and armor onto the AGE-1 that it stops looking anything like a hero and turns into this hulking instrument of murder is great. Everything surrounding that is awful.

>>22638757
>nobody from Gen 2 makes it into Gen 3
Sad Obright noises

>>22638757
The Grodek beard is the most kino part of AGE. Obright ends up getting it too.

>>22637102
The director didn't know how to direct an anime. The anime itself wasn't even a proper show, it was just an appendage to the game. And it was mismanaged to shit.

What Hino did was to put the cart before the horse. The anime comes first, any games based on the anime come after. It's basically like if you tried to treat Breaker Battlogue or Build Metaverse as their own shows, that shit ain't gonna fly.

>>22638778
Build Metaverse is its own show

>>22638778
If I remember right, the project started as only a game and when some execs saw the stuff Hino wrote and much he likes Gundam, they figured it could work as a full series too. At the very least I wouldn't lay all the blame on Hino.

Had AGE come out as just a game as originally planned I think it would be remembered more fondly as "that one Level 5 game that was a huge fan service circlejerk of Gundam and had some cool original stuff in it too".

>spend 2/3 of screen time convincing me that vegan are animals and deserve holocaust
>spend 1/3 of screen time trying to convince me that I'm wrong
This is the most bipolar show I've ever seen.
Even IBO is not this level of schizophrenic.

>>22638143
>It is plenty of time to develop those characters
It's not.

>>22638987
In a smarter show, there's a lot that can be said about how much responsibility a people have when they are mislead by a shitty situation and a deceptive leader.

On the other end it feels like the show also never truly had the balls to show Flit in much of a negative light. You have lots of Vagan characters acting like raving lunatics left and right so many of the moments when Flit wanting to commit mass murder just seem like a totally rational response.

>>22639049
You can see what they're going for in how Flit raises Kio to basically become another Desil, and that part I think works for being something where Flit really did something awful. They just don't know how to build on or resolve that plotline properly.

Flint Asuno was a cool dude
He used the same suit for like 30 years and it didn't seem to slow him down at all. Also I'll never forget when Dencil called him out for not wanting a one on one fight and he basically replied
>this is war I'll defeat you however I can!

>>22637102
>psp
Age is that old? What the fuck

>>22637102
I like it. Not every series has to be a genre staple, AGE plays safe but it's fun. Good music and good battles, some cool secondary characters. It's flaws lies in the pacing but the story is nice. Kio's trying to be a good boy or Flit changing his mind at the last minute doesn't affect me as much as Asemu's reason for abandoning his family. Although we never got the MG AGE-3 and FX that were show as prototypes, 1 and 2 are often revisited in model kits and premium releases. The current VS arcade game also has more mobile suits and charactes from it than some legacy series or later successes.

AGE's failure scared Bandai away from releasing MGs and 50 episode shows for Gundam.

What a disaster that is.

>>22637102
The gameplay was very bland despite the ability to use transformation on applicable customisable MS
The anime? idk, something about bad pacing or strong competition, the anime wasn't bad, I'm sure it contributed to toy sales well enough

I love AGE, it was my first Gundam show, and first real mecha show too. I was young back then.
I understand it's flaws but it's impossible for me to dislike it.
Really good mecha design too, and probably one of the last Gundam show who understood the "don't make the mechas too complicated" rule the franchise had a few time.

>>22641354
And? They were great characters.

>>22640525
MGs slowing to a trickle has nothing to do with AGE and everything to do with smaller scales outselling it by a huge margin. The only thing keeping RG from being hands down the better line is the lack of non-MC mobile suits.

>>22638987
>Literally make them baby killers who intentionally kill civilians purely to kill civilians
>Probably have the highest kill count of an enemy factionin Gundam since they continue to destroy whole cities and colonies and are active for an absurd about of time
Oh but space hitler's son died so now you're supposed to feel bad that he had to deliberately give his loyal followers space cancer to make them hate earth.
They didn't even properly do a pivot to suddenly making them sympathetic, they simultaneously tried to make Ezelcant the focal point of sympathy for the vegans, but simultaneously doubled down on him being an irredeemable monster who probably has more blood on his hands than any other Gundam antagonist.

I actually thought the first third of the show was perfectly fine.<br>Really started to fall apart with the daddy issues/love triangle shit in the second part though.

>>22638167
>They want to capture the kiddy audience.
AGE sucks, but being too kiddy honestly has nothing to do with it's issues. It's pretty consistently tonally somber and takes itself as seriously as it needs to.
Honestly, probably more so than Witch from Mercury.

>>22641749
Not to mention, it turns out they could have moved the colony anytime they wanted but didn't because of this stupid plan.

>>22641774
Ezelcant was a hell spawn who wanted to insure his people would suffer if it meant their hate would make it's way back to earth.

>>22638195
That seems pretty incidental given the actual content of the story. Yurin's death is honestly one of the more fucked up heroine deaths in Gundam, a franchise that already made killing young girls into a ritual by that point. And it felt like they were trying to have the Vegans outpace Blue Cosmos from SEED as the most unapologetic bloodthirsty monsters in the series.

>>22641763
Strictly speaking, Gundam has always been meant for kids on some level, so maybe it's not even the issue of that AGE is written "for kids", per se, but more than it seems like it was trying to combine cliche elements of modern kid's anime with the Gundam war drama stuff, which is going to clash really badly unless you handle it really carefully.

Like the whole "Ezelcant is just a guy sad about his son" last minute reveal might be sympathetic if Ezelcant was a stereotypical super robot style campy villain who dressed in all black and lived in an evil castle, but the context changes a lot when we're talking a guy who is a human leader who caused an actual war between two human factions and you handle the drama in the same way a more traditional Gundam show would.

>>22642379
Ezlecant's sloppy half-assed backstory quite frankly wasn't typical to anything, it was very unique in how it seemed to simultaneously cause Kio to sympathize with him while revealing to the audience that he was worse than we thought, explaining that he only thinks people who prove themselves deserve to live, and showing that he was using space radiation to manipulate his own people. Also the whole time Kio is falling for his shit the audience is fully aware Ezlecant is using the life of an innocent little girl as a bartering chip. Yet the narrative treat's Kio's perspective as the correct one.
Gundam has tons of villains that are sympathetic or at least give a convincing case of believing the ends justify the means.There are also a fair share of villains who are unrepentant monsters. Ezlecant is this really retarded mix of both and I don't think it's a kind of sloppiness you're going to see in old super robot shows much ether. Juvenile or not, they tend to pick a lane.

I liked Zeheart. He was in too deep shit to stop and just went along with a war he couldn't win.

>>22641754
Funny thing is, the Asemu part seems to be the favorite from the general public.

>>22644114

I'd suspect it's because you have an oldtype pilot styling on the newtypes, which is rare in Gundam works.

>>22641754
The stuff in the first third inside that colony (mafia/yakuza flavored? genuinely don't remember) may be the most tedious thing I've ever watched.

>>22641754
People like the second part entirely because Asem is an Oldtype protagonist who beats Newtype antagonists and the audience for that will always mark out for it. They mark out for it even though the way Asem beats the X-Rounders is by just suddenly being immune to their powers and the Double Bullet having some admittedly cool new weapons. But there's so little of that content that anything with it ends up beloved.

>>22644490
The Fardain arc is the only time AGE ever has actual setup and payoff, since it explains where the Diva gets an army big and experienced enough to handle the final fight. The arc itself isn't amazing, but it does capture the show's theme of generational war in miniature, and it's meant as dramatic irony that Flit fails to make the connection with his own situation and heed the warning he's unintentionally being given about what's going to happen to him if he continues on the path he's on. If the rest of AGE were good I would agree that Fardain sucks, but the rest of AGE is so bad that Fardain is the most narratively and thematically coherent part of the whole thing.

I haven’t watched AGE, but goddamn, the kits are really good. The fact that the AGE-1 and AGE-2 have moving back skirts even in HG is such a nice feature I wish Bandai would give us more often. Also, the geometric features of the Feddie suits make them quite photogenic.

>>22644566
It's not a terrible concept at all, but narrative coherence isn't enough to balance out its incredible dullness. You could've cut the thing in half and the show would've been far better for it.
>>22644596
The mechanical designs of AGE are, with a handful of exceptions, decent to pretty neat. Good to know they didn't fuck up the kits.

>>22644114
I'd get it if it weren't for the unappologetic deadbeat dad thing.
Kind of hard to sympathize with the daddy issues thing when his dad ends up raising his kid anyways.

>>22638174
That anon left out Flit meeting and losing his Lalah expy in Gen 1, which plays a huge part in his Vagan hatred.

>>22641754
>>22644566
>>22644114
Asemu's arc did the Kira/Athrun dynamic a lot better which is another reason it gets praised.
Gundam SEED doens't do a good job of showing you Kira and Athrun being friends in the past, or even when they reunite on the same side.
AGE taking a few episodes to show Zehart and Asemu casually hanging out and doing school stuff before the war kicks off makes their version of the dynamic much stronger.

I am here once again to tell you that age is just animated crossbone, which is why its amazing

>>22647267
Asemu needed a mom. The whole three generations concept would never come to pass if Flit didn't have a cumdump to hatefuck after his vegan waifu died.