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What are your thoughts on Embraer? what is the future of the company? What do you hope they accomplish?

>>1977411
>What are your thoughts on Embraer?
I haven't flown on one yet
>what is the future of the company?
Continuing to be the RJ guys
>What do you hope they accomplish?
Better RJs

>>1977411
Flew one of these from PDX to MSP, sleek plane, nice seating (no middle seats), fast

Embraer is to Boeing what Bombardier is to Airbus.

Natural monopolies, nationalist protectionism, too big to fail, etc.

/thread

would like them to move into manufacturing 150-200 seats class.<br>I'm not dissatisfied with Airbus, but the quality is excellent, so I'd like it to be developed as a third option.

Much nicer to fly than CRJs<br>t. typed on both

>>1978516
The E2's are the quietest planes on the current market.

i miss seeing 135s everywhere to be honest, they just had such a cool look, 145s are still around in some places but they arent the same

>>1977411
>What are your thoughts on Embraer?
Good planes
>what is the future of the company?
Realistically? More RJs and potentially that eVTOL they're developing
>What do you hope they accomplish?
Get successful enough to produce a big airliner

>>1978560
for whom? pilots, passengers, ramp rats or citizens near airport?

>>1980288
https://simpleflying.com/embraer-e2<wbr>-quiet/
>In comparison to other narrowbodies on the market, the Embraer E2 successfully outclasses them all. Its close competitor, the Airbus A220-300, is 11% nosier when measured in EMPdB than the E195-E2.

They have a window of opportunity to go big as Boeing is currently failing. I doubt they will seize it though. It would require a ton of capital than neither them nor the Brazilian government can easily gather. I think it's more realistic for COMAC to eventually replace Boeing. The CCP is willing to dump money in COMAC for decades until they make it.

>E175
it's a fucking goblin plane designed by huemonkeys for 5'2" subhumans
you can't even stand up from an aisle seat without smashing your head on the overhead bin. don't even fucking bother getting up from a window seat or you're dead
fuck those planes
t. 5'10 court jester

I think their cockpits are ugly. I’m sure they’re fine jets

>>1980326
>The CCP is willing to dump money in COMAC for decades until they make it
So is the US Government with Boeing, Xiang.

https://aeroin.net/a-embraer-pode-p<wbr>roduzir-avioes-maiores-mas-nao-temo<wbr>s-planos-de-fazer-isso-agora-diz-ce<wbr>o/
>Embraer can produce larger planes, but we have no plans to do so now

>>1977411
Boeing wanted to form a partnership (which would probably lead to their acquisition down the line) since they can actually design planes. It didn't concretize.
Realistically, they could make a B737 or A320 competitor, but it doesn't make sense at the moment. Their best shot is to have something for the ~2035-40 since that's where we expect the stretched A220 to come out to replace the A320 and news about A321 replacement, which should be a new plane using the CFM RISE.

>>1977411
i like them and their planes
more competition is always good and i hope they make a big plane

>>1977411
Stupid ass bike handlebar yoke but other than that its pretty good. Easy to fly, good for passengers

>>1983282
The most based plane ever made has that yoke.

>>1983282
Only the regional jets have that.
The defense and executive ones are all joysticks.

>>1980326
No one is buying chink airliners shit in the west ever

First E-Jet is still flying to this day.

>>1985734
And the original A320 was active until 2017, 30 years of flying before being preserved and repainted to its original colors
https://www.planespotters.net/airfr<wbr>ame/airbus-a320-100-f-wwai-airbus-i<wbr>ndustrie/e54273

>>1985734
what are the plans for old regional jets? Wide bodies get converted into cargo planes, but I'm curious if these old E-jets will follow the same path or just get scrapped for parts.

>>1985869
who's buying them? Fedex, Amazon, or smaller and lesser known delivery companies?

>>1985756
>testing plane
Impressive, very nice. Let's see the oldest revenue A320.

>>1985987
https://www.planespotters.net/airfr<wbr>ame/airbus-a320-200-zs-gar-global-a<wbr>viation/egx8v3
Started with Braniff, 1989, 35 years old
Autre question?

>>1977411
I use to work on this plane a lot(E175), it was honestly my favorite plane. I flew on it a decent amount of times as well. Fairly comfortable.

>>1986779
I heard that mechanics love working on embraer planes.

>>1986982
>5 APU jet
Those things are a bit spooky to watch takeoff in hot/high conditions

>>1981052
I'm 6'0 and just took a flight on a J-Air (Japan airlines subsidiary) E175.

The overhead bin is indeed very low, but interior was extremely spacious. Loads more legroom and width than a 737 or a320.

Part of it is probably the JAL configuration, but some of it is also due to the dimensions of the aircraft naturally forcing airlines to fit much bigger seats than typical economy on narrowbodies.

Pretty confy so you're completely wrong

>>1977411
Embraer makes some really sturdy airframes considering what air astana 1388 or air serbia asl86c erj survived through, or how an embraer legacy private jet managed to land safely after cutting off an entire boing 737 wing in a mid air collision.

>>1989890
>sturdy airframes
I realized something awhile ago, do airplane manufacturers or airliners ever advertise their products or services as being safe, similar to what car companies do?

>>1990042
boeing is literally on record as saying safety is not part of their business model

>>1980326
>replacing Boeing
Pure delusion. Sure, they are complete retards for listening to their customers and beating the type into something it isn’t rather than creating a new narrow body. They aren’t going anywhere.

>>1992301
It is not entirely unfeasible that Boeing gets forced out of the commercial space. I would say its likely that they are morally irredeemable and will not be able to ever operate again out of goodwill. Their greed and maliciousness occasionally can find self-interested excuses to pursue quality and safety, but overall they will always be looking to cut corners and put people's lives in jeopardy to make a little more money. They shouldn't be allowed in the airspace of a country with a self-respecting regulatory agency, but the fact is the risk is tolerated because the alternative is a complete breakdown of a crucial utility industry.

And if they actually had to face the consequences of the full breadth of their malfeasance (murdering a whistleblower was bold to say the least) Boeing would disappear completely.

BUT, in the very rare event Boeing is allowed to die its deserved death, whatever steps up to compete with Airbus will simply be a revived or new American firm that inherits the US airliner manufacturing capacity. Brazil, China, Indonesia etc. they are not going to be making widebody airliners that can actually compete with Airbus in our lifetimes. Brazil could probably outdo Boeing, but that still leaves a lot of room between "better than Boeing" and "acceptable" that still isn't up to a 21st century standard.

>>1978898
145s are my favorite when I'm solo flying because the entire plane is 1-2 Economy seating. I don't have to choose between window and aisle and it doesn't cost the price of a first class ticket either.

>>1989721
for what purpose?
just by volume
757's can carry 15 mail pallet units
767's can carry 24 units
747's can carry 35 units
the ATR can carry 7 units
FedEx paid for most of the C408 R&D to replace the C208 on their feeder routes and needed it to carry at least three units
What advantage does a
>light
>narrow
>small-engined
>different type
give to cargo companies who can just buy surplus 75/76, 777, and now A330's for the rest of the century?

>>1989721
https://twitter.com/embraer/status/<wbr>1785048077117911443 was that a test flight? Their communication is confusing.

>>1994290
Yea, it was their first flight.

>>1992951
The national mail company in Brazil has interest.
Also there's a fuckton of F190's in poorfag countries that could use it.

>>1992942
>only picture of the Concorde was by a stripped down fighter jet only after the Concorde slowed to 1.5M.
It will never be like that again.

>>1992951
>give to cargo companies who can just buy surplus 75/76, 777, and now A330's for the rest of the century?
There won't be enough surplus.

>>1992951
light and narrow body airplanes are able to land in smaller airports and in cities with stringent noise pollution laws.

>>1994451
https://embraer.com/global/en/media<wbr> Do you browse their media gallery? They upload wallpapers every wednesday that people can download.

>>1994471
I couldn't find any wall papers to post here since they're all over 4m. But there are some awesome photos there. You used to be able to sort it by airlines but they got rid of it for some reason.

>>1994679
They already denied it, though they did announced studies for it last year.

>>1984572
Those motorcycle style yokes look retarded.

>>1994457
I know, the Brazilian Air Force has something similar on their website, lots of KINO pics.

>>1994297
>what is the ATR
>what is the C408
>what is the C208
>what is the CRJ-200


BOOM

I don't think so, fuels costs will translate to ticket costs.<br>And I always go for the cheapest tickets.

>>1984125
I was deep into "flying cars" 2015-2019 so I am familiar with startup scams and this is one of them. They have hoovered up so much venture capital yet have never flown a single thing. The whole idea is almost as dumb as flying cars anyway. It's too expensive and not environmentally friendly. Idk how anyone is falling for this.

>>1984134
It's because the bizjet market is doing insanely well lately. I don't think normies realize just how bad it is because most of it is in and out of completely different airports that normies never see. Venture capital sees how much money rich people have for flying, remember the trick to VC is you throw a tiny amount (couple billion) at any/all moonshot type stuff that might have a slightly more than tiny chance at succeeding, and if you play the odds right you still come out ahead even if most of your ventures fail

>>1984134
They're targeting businesses that need to fly out engineers across the world to fix some machine that generates tens or hundreds of millions of dollars a week. The tech has been done before, so it's not some pie in the sky idea.

>>1984125
>normal shape that does nothing about sonic booms
>no engine manufacturer
why did this get funded?

>>1984357
gotta spend other peoples' money to make money haha. wanna buy a nft?

>>1984357
>normal shape that does nothing about sonic booms
There are still other issues. the original plan called for a maximum speed of M2.2, but this was lowered to M1.7 at some point.
this was because no heat-resistant material could be found to replace Concorde's aluminum.
Amazed at the lack of planning by this company, which launched the project and tried to raise money without even thinking about such a problem.

>>1984125
>cramped tube for J class prices but it goes fast
>comfy lie-flat seat with decent food for the same price or less
Hmm, I don't think I will.

>>1984488
Honestly the comfort increase in the 787 and A350 over prior models was shocking, I wish they'd try to modernize their fleets with what already works rather than wasting money (and thus pushing the losses onto customers) trying to shave a couple hours off New York to London for the ultra-rich.

>>1984488
>>1984499
They are both cramped tubes. People who really care about comfort want to spend as little time in the sky as possible.

>>1984355
what machine?
all I think of is saudi oil rig and jews trading computer and all of those have on site engineer

>>1984134
>The whole idea is almost as dumb as flying cars anyway.
Halving transcontinental flight time is a "dumb idea"? Go cross an ocean in a tiny Honda jet then and see you in one day or whenever you're done with your multiple refueling stops.

>>1984570
Cramped tube isn't too bad if you aren't obese and aren't having the life force sucked out of you by 10% RH air at 70% of sea level pressure.

>>1984656
was that one of epstein's codephrases

>>1984125
Great! We almost catching up with 70s tech!

>>1984580
>all I think of is saudi oil rig
retarded idea, i know
but can a human skydive from a supersonic plane?
then all you'd need to do is fly over the rig, let the engineers hop out and hope they know how to land

>>1984134
I'm rooting for explosion overtness to succeed against my better judgment. It's a wholly untested design so there are bound to be at least a couple of comfy major disasters

BaconRider

What is the cruising speed of the Bombardier Global 7000?
It has achieved a speed of Mach 0.995
,,,,soclose!!
,,9000 mile range.

>>1984906
>It has achieved a speed of Mach 0.995
runtofront,,,supersonic!@

Anonymous

>>1984125
Americans can’t build airplanes. Boom will go boom, just like boeing.

>>1985160
>Boom will go boom
Are you implying they will fly supersonic some day? I don't think they will ever fly actual plane.

>>1984154
Man, I need to start up a business scamming rich people.

I doubt it. Realistically it would take at least 15 years to rediscover this forgotten technology

Why do techbros measure aviation progress only in speed?
>civilian aviation is stagnating beause Concorde was grounded
Yeah, just ignore that today flights cost like 25€ and are safer than ever before. Bonus if they claim state regulation killed supersonic, not the fact it was massively expensive for passeners and still burning cash for the airlines.

There are many billionaires around the world who would be willing to pay $10 million for space travel. if so, there are people who would buy a ticket for a supersonic flight with a capacity of 30 people, and there are people who would buy an entire plane.<br>There is a demand, although BOOM is a scam.

>>1985563
10 million for trip to space is one time fee. The thing with supersonic airliner or business jet is that bill to develop it is billions. Business jet would probably be fine with engines nicked from a fighter, but airliner definitely won't be so engine development is going to cost billions. Handful millionaires, even when if couple billionaires would join 'em, don't have enough money to fork upfront to economically uncertain project like supersonic airliner or business jet. There simply isn't enough guaranteed demand for supersonic plane to justify economic risks involved.

Boom lost its engine on moment Rolls-Royce told them fork over the money for engine development. Rolls-Royce made gigantic mistake with Boom, they were willing to do feasibility study new supersonic engine without asking them to pay for all related expenses. If they had done so, they would have never had any kind of engine proposal at all. What RR did wrong is giving any ounce of credibility to these photoshop peddlers.

>>1985543
Us Burgers can hardly pay for a flight that is under $250 these days, exceptions are things like NYC - Philadelphia or Miami - Orlando.

>>1985543
>flights cost like 25€
>doesn't include the myriad of additional charges
Also,
>the fact it was massively expensive for passeners and still burning cash for the airlines
Passengers loved it and the airlines made a profit from it. The Concorde was unprofitable only for the manufacturer.

>>1984134
you'll not find anyone more skeptical of startup scams and venture capitalism and all the rest of it than me, but this seems a far cry from the flying car nonsense. if i had to place a bet, i would say that Boom will not succeed but flying cars were complete bullshit from the get go, even moreso than fully autonomous car hype

>>1989172
Yeah you would have had to be a child at the time or else clinically retarded to fall for flying car crap, they're basically just helicopters or light aircraft made to look like cars.Did anyone seriously think it would be cost or regulatory feasible to own a helicopter with wheels which they'll be able to fly themselves and take off/ land in their suburban street?

>>1984125
I sure hope so. Like Bacon said, the Global FTV5 demonstrator reached Mach 0.995, and NASA needs to get their X59 outta that fuckin hangar and in the air before I die of old age. I think eventually the focus will be more on supersonic route optimization rather than trying to blast your way across the continental US or western Europe at Mach 2.

>>1984125
Wasn't the discontinuation of Concorde down to it being economically inefficient?
Won't this just fall into the same trap?

>>1989711
Airbus declined to continue to support the Concorde. A certified aircraft without manufacturer support is scrap.

>>1984125

Why do you think Boom won't fail the same way Aerion did?

>>1989753
I think one of the big issues was re-engining. It used the same 1960s-era afterburning turbojets it did back when it was first designed. However, there wasn't any newer engine available that could do the job. So it was eventually decided to pull the plug on support.

Considering that Olympus593 was developed in the 60's, 50 years of advances in metallurgical technology could improve the fuel efficiency of the engine by about 20%

>>1989711
Concorde was economically inefficient because it was built in the 1960's. An old airframe with inefficient engines that guzzled fuel.

A newer design can be more efficient; in fact the Concorde B was always planned to be built which would have had a more efficient wing profile and engines (no afterburners) and used much less fuel, but it obviously never got built because nobody bought the original.

>>1990857
>only 20%
They already knew how to increase efficiency in the 593 by 25% back in the 70's. They just never built them because nobody needed them.

https://www.heritageconcorde.com/co<wbr>ncorde-b

>>1984125
a-and i VILL be happy right?
>>1984126
even during concorde was only meant for rich people, the tech will become more affordable with time as with everything else

I am going to bump to say that the XB-1 has flown twice and has not exceeded Mach 1. It might be too early to call, but after nearly seven years of delays, I think Boom is looking more like Bust.

In all honesty, we are best looking more comfortable aircraft with a wider range of performance than these supersonic jobs. Essentially create an "almost anywhere" airliner that seats 300+ passengers, needs 5000' or less for takeoff and landing and can fly transatlantic (East Coast U.S to U.K, not St. Johns to Shannon or something similar).

>>1984154
>Venture capital sees how much money rich people have for flying
Maybe the good idea is a supersonic bizjet like a mini Concorde but ten places and the only company capable of this is not a startup but an already experienced company in bizness jet or in supersonic or the two like Dassault.

>>1995129
>after nearly seven years of delays, I think Boom is looking more like Bust.
(laughs mildly)

I believe that the disassembly of the Concorde was not due to any problem related to the fact that it was not profitable; but rather that the large economic groups sell garbage at a price of gold and have an agreement not to innovate so as not to give up any of the perpetual profit.<br>If they could bottle the air, they would

When considering the price, what advantage will supersonic travel offer compared to ordinary planes? Some hour or two less ETA?

>>1995476
It was about 4 hours less going NY to London. Hardly justifiable especially in the era of zoom and in-flight internet but simps will simp for the lifestyle of the rapacious oligarchy because they think they'll be that some day

>>1984580
Specialists need to fly out to oilsites all the time. They don't have the necessary personnel for every eventuality. Doesn't matter with regard to speed though because you need to get equipment there too, which takes far longer than flying out engineers and technicians.

>>1995961
Oil sites in Jamaica Bay and the Thames Estuary? Or the ones 80 miles off the remote coastline of nowhere? How many 12000 foot runways are there within helicopter distance of an oil field anyway? Am I missing something here or are you grasping at straws?

>>1984125
>American airplanes
No thanks.


Post your cockpits

Let's see those handlebar set ups, what gadgets and gizmos are you running and why?

>>1987192
I like this thread idea but post yours before and then I'll bother posting mine, maybe

ok well, still not posting mine till i'm sure you're the dude and not a larper.

>>1987302
I know this setup could be simplified, so I'm sure this guy is just doing it like this because he can. Based for using toggle switches. I like it.

>>1987333
what makes you think i want to stop

>>1987303
>>1987303
I don't believe this is actually your bike and you just found this on the internet, but whoever's bike this is, they have some form of mental illness. not sure what, but something.
reposting an old photo, everything's still the same

>>1987401
>they have some form of mental illness.
yeah they're pathologically bad ass

>>1987535
i was also partial to the Shimano Deore EX Heavy Action myself

>>1987192
I've always liked the idea of some sort of radar/camera setup in the handlebars because I can't quite look back while staying stable and it'd just be cooler

>>1987192
>>1987302
>>1987303
for what purpose?
also i have some interesting cockpits to post but my phones broke rn so cant take pics
im prone to running kinda wonky shifter set ups
i put some pototype new old stock ci deck rapid rise brifters on my gfs bike

>>1987333
brakes just slow you down
hahahha
hhehehee
hohohohho
hahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHEHAAAA<wbr>AAAHHHHHHHHHH

>>1987460
you jus tknow whats gonna happen

>>1990384
because its very unfunny and ancient joke
its as old as brakes are
people who did horse and carriage racing probably made that joke

Realistically though what is actually useful in a bike/ebike dashboard?

Accessory devices
Dashcam
lighting control
Heated grip control
USB power outlet control
Rearview camera, mirrors, panoramic vision display

Navigation
Compass
maps like Google maps, fatmap, waze, gps

Weather
Weather outlook display (with aqi too maybe)?
Barometer
Thermometer

System
Electrical like power consumption, remaining battery or range, amps being drawn, volts available
Tire pressure sensors
Would be neat to have switches to change the max power it draws probably by modulating voltage, e.g. 250W baby/euro mode, 750W US bike lane, public street mode, >1 kW offroad/private property mode.
How much power it can be generating by going downhill or drawing from solar.

Pacing
Clock,
pace meter
Speedometer

Physical sensors
dynamometer
G-force, accelerometer tracking
Inclinometer

Countermeasures
Radar detector
Radar detector detector detector
Smoke/chaff/flares/oil slick/caltrops/cash (so people run in the street after it) deployment
EW jamming to try to stop that drone or loitering munition from killing you

Did I miss anything?

This man’s destiny was replaced by the iphone

>>1987788
Garmin has that
>>1990790
This gives me a comfy feeling

>>1990790
I'd recommend a high powered laser pointer to blind drivers and pursuing helicopter pilots but besides that it's a good list

>>1991009
the fact that NOBODY here or on /g/ talks or know about this guy is a fact worth being studied by itself.

>>1987788
the muthaphuckin system shock sensaround

>>1987237
I wish I know the full story. Are those his friends? They straight up stop to fuck with him, do they hate bikes in italy? Why don't they run away?

>>1991341
well lets talk about him then qho the fuck is he

>>1991592
theyre just fucking around lol

>>1991341
that's because the dorks on /g/ still live like that

>>1987192
>physical buttons
love it. touch screens are cancer

>>1987788
it's easier to look back one handed. It naturally causes you to turn a little so you have to learn to counter steer and pedal to go straight.


selling the car for a bike

I've been debating selling my car for a bike and I want to know what you think /n/. All my life all I've ever owned are cheap ass big box store bikes and I thought that's just how bikes were. I thought the expensive ones at bike shops were just for hardcore riders. Well, I decided to check one out as there are several in my town because riding is quite big here. Well, I don't need to tell you guys how much better these bikes were. And it had me thinking.

I'm a tubby broke neet. I need to save more money and get in shape. I can get somewhere around $7000 for my car, enough to get a really solid bike and have plenty extra. I want to know if anyone has ever done this. I've thought about it for several days, and the ONLY reason I can think against it is "driving is easier". There are bike paths and lanes everywhere in my town. It snows maybe 2-3 weeks a year. Grocery store is a 5 minute bike ride away. Has anyone done this before?

I bought my first car when I was in my late teens and took it very seriously at first. I wasn't making a lot of money at the time but Big Cage had brainwashed me into putting a significant % of paychecks into my cage, until I got fed up with the absurdity of it all. I noticed how CRAZY people got behind the wheel, how they thought of their cars as an extension of their own bodies, how they became psychotic, homicidal freaks, how no car was ever good enough, the more you make the more expensive a cage you are obligated to buy, it's a lose lose, and thought, there has to be a better way. so I sold it, and got what I thought at the time was an incredibly expensive bike (carbon fiber was rare in those days).

it was a big change. I had to do everything by bike. in some ways it was tough, but I was tougher back then than I am now and I was also stubborn. I think it helped that I sold it in the spring and got addicted to riding before the weather turned colder. I have not had any desire to own a car since. I have had 4 bikes since then, and bought my first home, but I have not once looked at a car and been like "I want that"

I still rent a car when I need it, which is rarely. keeping your license is a good idea. but if you don't want a car, you can choose not to have a car. don't listen to the morons who will say "but if you don't live in europe blah blah blah", they have an agenda. make your own agenda. you don't need a car.

just don't cheap out on bike gear. the wheels, the tires, the bad weather apparel. the good stuff is worth it. just remember it's still cheaper than what you're spending on your cage.

if you live in a nice bikable place and don't go on constant roadtrips then it's a no brainer to save money. as for bike recommendations that's not my area of expertise but I'd say you'd be well suited with a good midrange brand road bike from like trek, cannondale or giant to start so you don't overspend on something that might not work for you. like something in the $1500 range and make sure to go to a shop and ask to try out a bunch, and the first few months of riding WILL suck ass especially if you hit any. eventually I'd say you might want 2 bikes, one road bike and one cargo ebike for when you can't be assed and you need to carry stuff.

op i dont really know how the bike market is nowadays or what type of bike you need, but people fail to understand that the used bike market is very similar to the used car market. what i mean is that you can get nice road bikes that are the relatively expensive $1000-2000 new for like half or less 4-5 years later. there isnt just either garbage big box store bikes or $5,000 carbon fiber bikes.

for example my bike is quite old (2006 model) aluminum cannondale road bike that was $1400 new, i got it for $500 in 2011. its been my only bicycle for many years and i havent had to do any major repairs on it outside of regular maintenance.

basically my point here is that especially for someone who is showing an interest in possibly biking and using it as your main form of transportation, there arent two extremes where you either get some $200 piece of shit huffy for a $3k carbon fiber. you can find very affordable used bikes that are still very good and i would recommend looking into those

>>1989920
just don't fall for the cable disc meme, there's a lot of that shit on the market now for bargain prices for a reason. hydro or rim. pick one.

Bike is not great for transport. Its excellent for going out specifically to ride, go on trips, track etc.

And then you either go the cyborg route, where your bike is littered with panniers and you carry normal walking shoes and have helmet top case or you're always hot, in thick protective jacket, uncomfortable hard boots and lugging a helmet around in one hand.

>>1990048
Oh shit, you mean bicycle. IMHO ask /n then. But personally i like to have both - decent shitbike for errands and commute and a car for longer trips, carrying weekly groceries, bigger appliances / construction materials or emergencies.

If you're selling your car, you might as well buy a few bikes. I'd pick up at least one expensive road bike like a Giant Contend with good nimble handling and comfort for commutes. Then go with either a used upright or mountain bike from the local pawn shop depending on what you want

Don't forget to secure it if you live somewhere dark btw. They'll steal an expensive bike fast

Don't. If you want to lose weight change your diet. You'll lose far more weight as a result of changing your eating habits than exercising.

Op you can get a great bike used for like $500. Don't sell your car just use it less. You're gonna regret it if you're not already a cyclist. This sounds like a "I'm depressed and need to be bold" kind of shit

>>1989912
>Has anyone done this before?
No, nobody in history has ever chosen a bicycle over a cage before. You would be the first and wholly unique.

>>1990057
Exercising makes you fitter, which increases metabolism, which makes you burn more calories even when resting, which help with losing weight. Being fit also makes you healthier and improves both physical and mental wellbeing. Why the fuck would you recommend against this?

>>1990054
honestly this but i wouldn't buy something new. op says he COULD sell his car for 7k, not that he will get that, as well as trying to save money.

buy a 90s mtb or touring bike, some racks and panniers ~$600 including new tires n stuff, less if it's an mtb. just look for a lot of braze ons.
then buy a nice 80s-90s sport tourer with clearance for 35s, good tires and a good saddle and it's probably going to be in the same ballpark of ~$600
then spend ~$100 on tools from the pawn shop and learn to work on shit yourself

this probably sounds very out of touch, but if you're a neet it's time to learn a new skill. and i have the worst luck with bike shops so i'm kinda jaded.

>>1990122
if "riding is big" where op lives then the shops are going to be good, provided you go to a shop that sells nice shit

>>1990123
riding is "big" in my town, for being what it is and the two shops suck. but also this ultimately is an exercise in saving money.

>>1990125
I guess it's all relative. when I hear "riding is big" I assume there's shops dealing with more than just the usual boring trek, specialized, giant, cannondale. like unless there's at least an AD for six or more of the following it can't really be considered a "riding is big" town: seven cycles, parlee, look, moots, pegoretti, firefly, storck, alchemy, festka, baum, sarto, wittson, mosaic

>>1989912
Just try it out bro.
You can always go back to a car.

>>1990064
Because if you still eat like shit no reasonable amount of exercise is gonna help you. If your idea of a meal could feed a small family of 3 then what good is exercise then? In my experience exercise is great for maintaining the weight you want.

"You cannot out train a bad diet" is technically wrong but in reality its true. What sounds more appealing to you. Being in a calorie deficit or having to run every day because your diet is awful?

>>1990132
You're an idiot. Partly because what you say kind of sort of true but not really, but mostly because non of it actually answers the question you replied to. So I'm just going to assume that the answer to the question is
>Because I'm an idiot.
and move on. Good day.

Why would you sell your car when you can get a nice bike on craigslist for like fifty bucks

>>1990056
>mt200 set for 50€
>still fall for cable shit

>>1990265
If you live somewhere where you don't have depend on one, you might as well cash out on it if you're gonna pick up riding

OP here. Sorry for not responding for awhile. Thanks for the helpful posts, much appreciated. I read all of them. To add a bit more detail, I'm 33 y/o and live in a small/medium town. The city has been spending a lot of money on improving cycling routes the last decade and continuing to do so. There's a cycling path that runs all the way from the south end, thru downtown and to the north end. You don't even need to ride on the shoulder of the road unless you're going east or west on a side road.

I know ideally, the best decision is to keep the car and get a used bike. I've spoken to my family about it and they think the same. But... I the grocery store is a 17 minute walk away. I really only occasionally haul things like twice a year and my mom has a truck at her place she can let me borrow if I need it. I'm honestly just sick of driving too. People drive like shit here. I get my ass ridden even going 10km/hr over the speed limit on main roads. I'm sick of it, really. It's stressful.

Regarding used bikes, I have been looking. But the market isn't great. For one I have an uncommon build. I'm 6'0 tall but my inseam is 29". The vast majority of used bikes I've seen have L/XL frames and they feel like shit, can barely get my tip-toes on the ground while seated. I'm still looking but I'm more inclined to get a new one. There are least 5 bike shops nearby all with 4.9/5 ratings. I went into one to look around and there was no pressure. Dude showed me a few bikes even though I said I didn't have the money right now. He also said to keep an eye on the used market.

I haven't put the car up for sale yet but I'm probably going to do it. I know it's a big change and there are many good reasons to keep the car. But I just can't afford a $500+ bike while paying $90/mo insurance, $80/we gas on top of other expenses. I know the bike will have maintenance costs of its own too like tires, brakes, something breaks, I get a tire puncture etc.

>>1990265
I am still looking but the only used bikes I've seen for "fifty bucks" are walmart brands like nakamura. There are many brands mentioned from anons itt like canondale, giant etc but they are all well over $500, not fifty bucks. And unfortunately the ones I've found are all too big for me.
>>1990064
>>1990135
Hey thanks, and I know you're right. The other guy is a retard. When I was in my early 20s I was very fit, 15% body fat and went to the gym daily as well as swimming. A lot of shit happened since and I got fat and unfit but I still have the knowledge. Even if I struggle with changing my diet I know cycling will vastly improve my health.
>>1990123
The shops are quite good, very friendly and bikes ranging from $700 to over $10k. The one I went to they were very friendly, knew their shit and didn't pressure me to buy anything. The owner has run the shop for 30 years.
>>1990058
I made a pros/cons list and I ended up with 11 pros and 5 cons. I know it will be a big lifestyle change and I have enough wisdom to know there will be days of regret. But I think overall my life will improve. I need big changes.
>>1989913
>>1989914
Much appreciated. I really relate to these posts.

>>1990793
>can barely get my tip-toes on the ground while seated
yeah, about that...
you're a normie and you think a proper bike fit means you can put your feet flat on the ground from the saddle.
if you prioritize that fit, the way your body fits with the bike to actually do what it's supposed to i.e. generate movement is completely fucked. you optimize your fit to making your body the ideal power source for the bike and when you stop, you either dismount or you stay seated and lean over so your foot can touch the ground.

see? even this old lady agrees
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNe<wbr>vNqA8sIs

>>1990805
>this (dramatic pause) to this
It looks the same? Also, since it's 4chins and I am contractually obligated to meme about how the roasties can't into bikes and femoids don't actually enjoy things (they just pretend to like my favorite intendo so they can manipulate men), from real life it seems like femoids are the ones most drawn towards custom (the only moots and sevencycles I have seen IRL were owned by the women who bought them). Part of that might be the skeletal dimorphism meme which is being pushed by Big Bike to scam people out of just getting different stem or sliding their saddle rails a few mm to and fro. But that is a digression since I see op is a fellow scrote.

Anyway the whole "flat foot in the saddle is LE BAD... because... it just is ok!?!?" is somewhat misguided. There is something comfy about being able to foot plant at a stoplight and then just casually keep going when it turns green, sure it's dogshit for any real distance, and I would not mention this around the children, who require good role models, but if you're just going 5 blocks once a day, what do you need biomechanical efficiency for? Not like you're going to pedal strike from cornering at high speeds.

>>1989913
> I wasn't making a lot of money at the time but Big Cage had brainwashed me into putting a significant % of paychecks into my cage, until I got fed up with the absurdity of it all. I noticed how CRAZY people got behind the wheel, how they thought of their cars as an extension of their own bodies, how they became psychotic, homicidal freaks, how no car was ever good enough, the more you make the more expensive a cage you are obligated to buy, it's a lose lose, and thought, there has to be a better way.

Hahahahah this is a AA-style recovery fiction

You fuckers really are insane

>>1990891
wow, a vehicle with a combustion engine is faster than a push bike? my mind is blown by this image, i'm going out and buying a ford f-150

>>1990883
>what do you need biomechanical efficiency for?
the man is replacing his car with a bike. he needs something he can really ride not a beach cruiser and stupid walls of text

>>1990798
>I am still looking but the only used bikes I've seen for "fifty bucks" are walmart brands like nakamura. There are many brands mentioned from anons itt like canondale, giant etc but they are all well over $500, not fifty bucks. And unfortunately the ones I've found are all too big for me.

any idiot can find a $50 bike and overhaul it. you need a couple basic tools. some grease, and a wire brush. new tires, cables and brake pads and you're golden. $100 investment. i understand wanting a nice modern bike, but i can't understand selling my car to purchase one, especially when a cheap bike will suit your needs.

>>1990891
how many times are you going to post this image from a shithole like sanfransisco in every thread? go back to /o/

>>1990910
the thing is a car isn't really "free" even if it's paid off, maintenance, gas and insurance are gonna be hundreds of dollars a year if not over 1000

>>1990805
I didn't say I wanted to put my feet flat on the ground. You said that. So I'm not gonna bother with the rest of your post since you didn't bother with mine.
>>1990910
Damn so /n/ has their own version of "3k civic" guy.
>i can't understand selling my car to purchase one
You might not do it and that's fine. But if you bothered to read you would understand it.

Thanks to those who were helpful but the shitposters are here so I'm out. Cheers

>>1990910
yea and while youre at it you can make a decent pair of shoes out of cardboard boxes and twine, only an idiot would pay for brand new shoes

Bumping because op is actually trying to live the /n/ life instead of trying to impose his control freak mentality on others by corrupting the law and turning it into power armor for rapacious developers, like the average yimby urbanist

>>1989913
based, also based op
daydreaming about doing this to save money and rack up mileage but desu I'd probably have to change jobs or live in an even smaller town than my current very small town. on the other hand I may change jobs anyway so.

>>1990793
if you don't care what people think of you, a small bike trailer is cheap and hauls 300 to 400lbs of stuff.