Why is America ugly to Europeans?

I heard Europeans find our forests to be woefully underdeveloped, our grasslands astonishingly mundane, our swamps horrifically useless, our plains ridiculously boring, our badlands pitifully impractical, our deserts outlandishly dangerous, our mountains hilariously unusable, and our canyons disgustingly red. Is this true?

>>2726418
Im a eurotard and an amerimutt so I can see slightly from both perspectives. Euros usually visit through cities and use them as a sort of area of viewing, what I mean by this is that they will mainly see the nature sights around the city, unless they want to go to some well known place like Mount Rushmore or the Grand Canyon. They do this because in Euroland the surroundings to cities tend to be beautiful even in post-bloc countries. Meanwhile in America you will rarely find an ounce of unmolested nature near city limits unless you live in the Appalachia or the Rockies. It's easy to see why they are usually disappointed, because in Europe beauty is easily accessible, while in America you most likely have to work to find it.

>>2726418
Huge plains are certainly boringish, but what's worse are the fuckhuge cities built on those plains, fuckhuge squares, have to walk one kilometer to get to a grocery store. Everything is unnecessarily big in the US.

On spain everyone lives in apartments, and the first floor of each is used as a store so everything is close by. I dunno about euro nature but they seem to have a few more features than the US. The US does have larger swathes of wildland that is inaccessible, though they also have some very dick wooding practices.

>>2726534
The plains were amazing before all thr bison, pronghorn, elk, wolves were driven off them and they built fences and planted trees and monocrop basedbeans and corn on them. The american plains were a tourist destination like going on safari in africa.

>>2726534
>apartments
you don't want to live in those termite mounds unless you're a cityroach

>>2726547
those are primarily in post-bloc countries. While I do hate apartments, the ones in western europe are far nicer than eastern europe

USA /out/ings suck because there's not nearly enough tourist infrastructure even in national parks. Some awesome areas have literally 0 access trails. In Europe, accessibility is practically a human right.

>>2726543
>basedbeans
What do they have based about them?

>>2726547
I certainly don't, but much less I want people shitting up the beautiful countryside with more fucking retarded McMansions, farms and concrete slab industrial parks.

bait thread<br>youre a faggot please die

>>2726649
>keeping faggot tourists out is bad
????

>>2726649
>not nearly enough tourist infrastructure even in national parks
like what?

>>2726649
>Some awesome areas have literally 0 access trails.
Where?

>>2726716
>Where?
NTA, but actually a lot of the western US public lands do not have trails absolutely everywhere like people often think. There are lots of areas in Yellowstone and Grand Canyon that cannot be accessed except by going offtrail. Which is fine honestly and filters people. Offtrail is my favorite kind of hiking and exploring in FS and BLM land. NPS is also the smallest component of US public land. Euros and even many americans equate "national parks" with all public land, when in reality it makes up 3% of it in the US and is the worst kind in terms of regulations and access.

>>2726720
>There are lots of areas in Yellowstone and Grand Canyon that cannot be accessed except by going offtrail
>3500 square miles
>1000 miles of hiking trails
>there aren't trails everywhere
c'mon. thats an assinine example. Do you really expect a trail in every single spot? wtf.

>>2726727
I said I'm not that anon, and I don't agree with him. But you said where and I gave you an example. Most FS and BLM land would legally count as wilderness in Europe.

>>2726729
>I gave you an example
but he said
>literally 0 access trails.
when there are trails all over Yellowstone and will give you "access" to where you want to go even if you have to bushwack to your final destination. It was just a shitty example thats all. Yes, I am sure there places on BLM lands where there much less infrastructure and trails but using Y/GT as an example was retarded.

>>2726731
There are loads of places in GC and Yellowstone that filter people because of
 physical access. The front country of Yellowstone and GC filters people actually, let alone the backcountry. Which is my point, I think it's a good thing however.

>>2726767
>There are loads of places in GC and Yellowstone that filter people because of
physical access

Why? because they cant hike? its not like there are not trails at the very least nearby anywhere you would want to go. Do expect a trailhead every 1/4 mile or something?

>>2726767
>my point
except you replied to me when I was replying to that other anon. he said:
>0 access trails
which in relation to Yellowstone just isnt true

>>2726775
Because the western US is huge (90% of the parks and public land are in the west) , has some of the roughest terrain in the country, also because the trail systems do not go to most geological features meaning most locations can only be reached by bushwacking or cross countrying, and because NPS regs often make it illegal to go offtrail in many areas.

Any one of these points above will filter people. The original anon complaining about access is a sheltered europoor or easterner so he got filtered before even going.

>>2726418
>Is this true?
No. You've made this up for your bait thread.

>>2726418
The canucks and aussies ive dealt with are captivated with boring plain birds and some were scared of fireflys, thinking they were some kind of swampgas monster

>>2726418
Europeans destroyed there nature so anything naturally growing that wasn't artificially influenced by European hands and there regulations looks too disorganized for there tastes.

>>2726961
Is it time for shitpost bumpin?

>>2726418
I'm European and would never go to USA. Like 50% of you country is nature not for white men. Dessert, canyoinlands, etc. = not white. Maybe I'd do NE if I had to because the nature is properly european.

>>2726980
The most recent immigration of "white" man into Europe was from the steppes. The other half was from Asia minor and the middle east.

>>2726632
those are in milan. t. lived in that latrine

>>2726654
Super crop. Usable for tons of various food uses as well as industrial. Pretty based if you ask me.

>>2726418
Europeans panic if they can't see a pub from where they're standing.

>>2726980
>t.cucked by his own skin color
kek

I never heard that and I don't care what europeens think about anything.

>>2726980
Wrong. It's a white man's world so therefore all biomes are fair game

>>2726418
Implying I give a shit about what a European thinks of the greatest country on earth. We already know we live rent free in their heads. Don’t bother replying. I won’t be back. Just seethe.

I'm just happy I need not worry about unexploded ordnance innawoods unlike in Europe, where you just never can tell when the ground might detonate under your feet and shred you. Also, Europe is fake and gay.

>>2726529
So basically Euros cannot leave the city, got it.

Euroserfs' #1 criticism of America is that it isn't europe

>>2727363
Whatever keeps them back in Europe.

>>2726418
lack of tundra, simple as.
everything in usa is extreme or big in one way or another. but from what i know it lacks the simple and comfy nature that can be found in some parts of europe. not too hot, not too cold, not the most extreme mountains, not barren deserts, not dense forests, just rolling hills of tiny forest growth with lots of rivers and lakes.
also the laws and regulations you have scares me off, /out/ shouldnt be regulated.

>>2727404
The lower 48 alone has 6,000 square miles of alpine and sub-alpine tundra biome characterized by actual arctic tundra species, including places as far south as 35N and as far east as the NE USA. If looking at the specific climate type known as sub-arctic, the land area goes up towards about 12,000 square miles in the lower 48. Alaska also has the most pristine arctic tundra in the world with Canada (which is less densely populated than even the lowest density oblast of Siberia).

>>2727420
map of tundra. i live in it, my entire county us nothing but it.
no part of lover 48 usa is considered tundra and who the fuck drives for 5+ days to alaska and walks another 5+ days to see it?
did you know that the northern european/russian/asian tundra is the largest biome in the world? both by area and biological mass. beats amazonas, african jungle belt, america, everything.
and i live in it.

>>2727421
That map's wrong though. Look up "alpine tundra."

>>2727421
Look at maps and pictures of alpine tundra in the lower 48. It even has species overlap with Alaskan and Canadian arctic tundra species, holdouts from the ice age when the arctic tundra biome extended into Mexico. The country with the most pristine and least densely populated tundra and arctic biomes in the world is actually Canada, the north geomagnetic pole used to be in southern Nunavut. To say the US doesn't have tundra (both arctic or alpine) is the peak of ignorance. Before the cataclysm, North America was also the center of arctic species diversity (4 mammoth species into Mexico).

>>2727422
>>2727423
then show me the "american tundra" so i can debunk it right away.
it doesnt fuckin exist.

>>2727424
>spoonfeed me or it doesn't exist
t. ignorant europoor as usual

>>2727404
>not dense forests, just rolling hills of tiny forest growth with lots of rivers and lakes.
I feel bad for Europe. Not much old growth if any.

>>2727425
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tun<wbr>dra
it appears to be commonly known that tundra doesnt exist in lower 48 usa, so if claim it does i say its up to you to prove it?

>>2727431
The section alpine tundra literally has a photo from the lower 48 you dummy. You absolute goofball.

>>2727434
>specific subsection alpine tundra
>yet no maps of tundra show usa
>no out poster, youtuber, or anyone else has ever posted a pic of the american tundra
you just dont know what it means.

>>2727431
>>2727424
Just when you thought europoors couldn't get any more ignorant, a wildly delusional appears out of the mist. Your own picture of "tundra" is actually a mix of subalpine and alpine arctic tundra, subalpine (synonymous with "boreal") is defined as below the tree line with subarctic or even arctic climate types and species. Alpine, is specifically defined by being *above* the tree line, and many people conflate the two. In North America, the boreal forest and arctic alpine tundra species and biomes extend as far south as 35N. You can actually find more arctic species in alpine tundra in the lower 48 than you can in the Alps in Europe, as the Pleistocene glaciation tundra biomes extended 20 degrees of latitude farther south in America than it did in Europe, and with the melting of the glaciers during the cataclysm and the catastrophic warming to the present arctic species survived in alpine tundra and subalpine forest (boreal forest) in the western US.

alpine and subalpine tundra and boreal forest biomes from 6 western US states, all 11 western US states and at least 3 eastern US states have alpine tundra and or subarctic biomes.jpg

>>2727439
i was actually wrong, i was lost in translation and thinking of taiga not tundra. it still doesnt change anything, even taiga doesnt exist in lower 48 usa. one can just open google maps or even go there yourself to see that it doesnt.exist. if it does, please, i beg you, do me the favour and take a picture of it and prove me and every fuckin climate and nature scientists wrong. shurely YOU can redefine everything known to man, because trust me bro?

>>2727440
Taiga is synonymous with boreal forest or subarctic or subalpine forest. They contain the same species. And btw, the 6,000 sq miles was *alpine* alone, NOT boreal/sub-alpine/taiga. If you wanted an area inventory of boreal forest in the lower 48 it's probably closer to 20,000 sq miles and would include large areas of the upper midwest and NE US as well as the western US.

>>2727446
all thoose words...
>i like hiking in taiga and tundra.
>usa doesnt have taiga and tundra so i dont like hiking in usa.
why so butthurt? why the desperate need to redefine taiga and tundra so it includes usa? just accept you dont have it and move on. its not like it will give you lepracy, turn you gay, start ww3 or anything. so why the anger?

>>2727451
>projecting
It is literally defined in the way I have stated. You can cope all you want it doesn't change the truth. You probably also are ignorant of the fact that the snowiest known places on Earth are in the lower 48 USA as well and in temperate latitude Japan. Or that the coldest places on Earth for their respective latitudes are in Tibet and the western and upper midwestern USA.

>>2727452
i know perfectly well that this isnt the most extreme part of the world in any way, and i think i stated that in the initial post. who the fuck wants to go out in the most snowy, cold or extreme in any way biome? that being said siberia is cold af with temps down to -70c, northern scandics get -50 and west coast norway can get 5-10m++ of snow. there are actual glaciers there, they dont form from nothing.
none of this has anything to do with taiga/tundra.

>>2727454
>lack of tundra, simple as
So now you backpedal huh. Lmao. Your original statement just exudes ignorance. First you move the goal from tundra to boreal forest, which is even more ignorant, and now you just resort to logical fallacies to save face. Pro-tip, the norther two of the four corners states hit -40C every winter, and parts of the states above them hit -45 to -50C, every single winter. And every lower 48 western US state averages more than 7m of annual snowfall, and 4 of them average more than 17m a *year*. Alaska is the one with the least actual on the ground sensors, but from satellites and air plane estimates flying over the Chugach mountains area of Alaska, 8m of snowfall in *one week* has been noted before.

>>2726418
Because it's full of Americans.

>>2727458
damn it what makes you think you can redefine the definitions of both taiga and tundra? those are pretty much set.
im gonna give you a few pics, if you can find an equal in usa then fuck it i will go there.

>>2727465
>>2727466
You're just further burying yourself man, I'd recommend just stop posting. I know you're probably scandi or russian and lonesome but maybe take a minute to look something up before speaking. Scandinavia and Russia are beautiful, but they are not the only places in the world with boreal forest or alpine and subalpine environs, let alone cold or heavy snow.

>>2727470
no, they are not. but they are the only accessible places with boreal and alpine nature right at your doorstep.
that mountain with tundra landscape on top of it?
cool, but we live in such tundra lanscape here. no need to climb a mountain to see it.

>>2727473
Tens (probably hundreds) of thousands of Americans already live in boreal forest, in both mountains and on the Canadian shield and in the NE.

>>2727484
pics please?
>boreal forest
have i ever mentioned that?

>>2727491
Again, Taiga is synonymous with boreal and subalpine forest in academic literature and in species specific biomes. And if you consider climate, the taiga climates vary extremely with location, for example taiga in parts of Alaska average almost as much or more rainfall as the boreal forests of the great lakes and NE. While parts of it in the actual arctic average the same precipitation as boreal subarctic/subalpine forests in Colorado.

>>2727404
>just rolling hills of tiny forest growth with lots of rivers and lakes.

You mean like this? Where do you think this is?

>>2727421
>no part of lover 48 usa is considered tundra
>then show me the "american tundra"
This is classified as sub-arctic alpine tundra

>>2727498
perfect example of whats not tundra. >>2727493
taiga has a clear defintion, just look it up.
why are you so butthurt that the defintions dont agree with you?

>>2727542
>perfect example of whats not tundra
but is, in fact, classified as tundra. Its Alpine tundra. The pic in question is of large, treeless plateaus above 10k ft. composed of alpine tundra.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpin<wbr>e_tundra

>>2727561
damn you are dumb, you just said it yourself
>alpine tundra
thats not tundra, thats alpine tundra.
and when i say i like to hike our tundra, cant you respect that? or do you have to force me to hike your alpine tundra because some websites said it was the same? its not the same to me, i see clear differences, i dont want your crappy alpine tundra, i want our actual tundra.
you would too if you ever got to experience it.

>>2727574
>damn you are dumb
actually. You are the ignorant one.

In physical geography, tundra (/ˈtʌndrə, ˈtʊn-/) is a type of biome where tree growth is hindered by frigid temperatures and short growing seasons. The term is a Russian word adapted from Sámi languages.[2] There are three regions and associated types of tundra: Arctic tundra,[3] alpine tundra,[3] and Antarctic tundra.[4]

>noooo tundra can only be the version I like reeeeeeeeeee
please fuck off you absolute retard.

>>2727581
>tundra/taiga is cleary defined
>can easily google it, it will give clear maps on its spread
>n-no thats Aachtlually wrong, there is tundra in my back yard...
dude this is getting silly.

>>2727583
>cleary defined
>gave the definition already
>reeeing turning to cope

Tundra is defined as: tundra (/ˈtʌndrə, ˈtʊn-/) is a type of biome where tree growth is hindered by frigid temperatures and short growing seasons. The term is a Russian word adapted from Sámi languages.[2] There are three regions and associated types of tundra: Arctic tundra,[3] alpine tundra,[3] and Antarctic tundra.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tundr<wbr>a

What about that dont you understand?

>>2727587
>cuts off the part telling what the map is of
Yup neato. its a map of arctic tundra. It doesnt show alpine or antarctic tundra. Whats your point? You werent being disingenous were you? lol. Tundra exists in the lower 48 and no amount of bullshit from you changes that fact lol

>>2727588
>open browser
>google
>tundra map
it wont include lower 48 usa. why?
>open google maps, satelite view
>confirm it, usa doesnt have tundra, nordthern scandic is nothing but it

>>2727589
Feel free to ignore the facts. You lost. put the booze down and go to bed sami.

>>2726418
I'm a britbong myself and find American nature to be absolutely breathtaking. so much so that I'm planning a yearlong thru hike along the east coast at the moment. any recommendations on areas/towns/cities worth seeing?

>>2727593
so where is the american tundra and taiga?
its not here

>>2727727
it is here, but thats not lower 48

>>2727729
and here, dont mind my camping and fishing hotspots...
so where exactly is the taiga/tundra you claim?

>>2726418
>I heard eurofaggots
I stopped reading there. My country is larger and more diverse than 25 of their rainy cold shithole countries put together.

>>2727732
This is the thing I don't get about Murica. You can go to the suburbs of any mid sized town in Washington (state), Nevada, Florida and Illinois and it will all look exactly the same, despite being in completely different biomes

>>2727732
>my country is larger and more diverse than 25 of their rainy cold shithole countries put together.
>lives in NY
>claims superiority based on nature in alaska
>will never actually go there....

>>2726418
They're right, Europe has more interesting terrain. Not to say USA is all boring, but Europe looks more beautiful imo.

>>2727727
>>2727729
>>2727730

I am unclear as to why you are so retarded. Please explain.

>>2727759
This is a retarded talking point. Americans are self centered but we are very transient in our own country. I have lived on the west coast, east, and in the south, and yes I also take vacations in the rockies and Alaska. Most Americans I know are the same.

>>2726418
Euro here.
Thats so made up, I love america :3

>>2726418
>Americans
>Europeans
White Americans are European, so I’m not sure where this is going

>>2727679
If you have a whole year and are sticking to the east coast, do the AT and spend the rest of your time near the part you liked best.

>>2728795
>White Americans are European
Really? You were born in Europe? When we say "European" we don't mean you. You may have ancestors from here but none of us would call you "European."

>>2727352
I mean, yeah. Look at satellite photos of Europe at night. Or a map showing railroad lines. European nature is very fragmented and has been heavily utilized for all sorts of purposes for millenia. We actually have real wilderness here in North America. In Europe it is very scarce.

>>2727053
tell your experience in Milan bruv

t. Milanese

>>2728795
I’m gonna go ahead and add to what the other guy said by telling you you’re not American either. Simping to be euro, what a faggot you are.

>>2726543
Much of the plains are rangeland, you can't farm much on them

If you've driven through South Dakota and Wyoming, you'd know the difference

>>2727422
The Rockies are going to have Alpine Tundra

>>2728834
You are one of those people who thinks africans and arabs are European just because they were born or naturalized there, aren't you.

>>2726418
they dont think it is ugly but the ones that say that are just attention seekers

>>2726418
This is the first time I ever heard this. I'd love to visit all those New England landscapes and experience those Age of Empires III new world aesthetics.
One day I will go, however I'm also very stingy and need to work up the courage to spend money on plane tickets lol

>>2728846
a grey, depressing, globalized, completely overrun by niggers, arabs, latrinos, chinksects, poojeets, instathots and white woke sjw studentesse di scienze politiche shithole

the Alps are lovely thou; you are so lucky to have them nearby. i regularly visit my parents in Quarto Oggiaro just to take day trips to the nearest mountains for free

t. entroterra sardo

>>2726418
Australian here. There are large desert areas of both our countries that are just shit. A place like Death Valley is unique and has interesting features, but most of it is a barren hellscape with very little life. Those interesting features are few and far between, it's incredibly exposed, everything is a muted dust colour, and it's dangerous, except not even in a fun way, just in the sense that you need to overprepare and overplan everything. The Nullarbor has the same problem.

>>2729571
tx, yeah I dont like Milan much although if you want to go out with ppl it's good, assuming you have ppl to go out with :), which I currently dont have.
but yes having the alps at 1/2/3h it's good, I imagine ppl living south that mostly cant do shit here, the appenines have some places, mostly to the center south, but the alps are way better
what do you do in sardinia? theres no jobs there

>>2729658
>with ppl
LOL
lmao even
why would anyone do that

i can't even imagine hiking with some other lazy cunt, expecially because i make my own weird routes, i go off trail, during workdays, nobody would do that

>the appenines have some places
highly recommend Ronco Scrivia, Borgo Val di Taro and surrounding mountains in late october. both have le train for milanese niggers like you to reach them

>what do you do in sardinia?
i live where my ancestor have lived for 3000 years. I kinda fell for the Sizzi etnonazionalismo meme, but mostly already had an empty house here and i was tired of seeing niggers everywhere anywhere every time
>theres no jobs there
jokes on you, everyone is benestante. literally everyone has a new car, restructured home 'n shit. even in my nowhere interior mountain village. in small villages if you have the right connections you can find every little job available with no effort, word spreads like fire.
add that rent doesn't exist because everyone inherits like 4 empty houses and 100000 land lots from grandparents, and everything else is cheap

btw i don't work, i study computer science remotely; the plan is to get a remote job so that i can keep living here with a milanese salary :^)

>>2729797
I meant going out in the sense of going for a drink etc, social stuff

>>2729797
>everyone is benestante
doubt
>nepotism and family inheritance
I know but still theres plenty of people in the south and I dont believe everyone is set up like that, otherwise they wouldn't go to the north/try to get public jobs/get gibs (although the last 2 are also cultural)

how long did you live in Milan

>>2731220
giving the board we are in, out definitely doesn't mean parties.
btw i noticed that young people in villages go out WAY MORE and are way more social for some reason. everytime i pass by the local bar everyone invite me at sitting with them at the table even if they don't know me at all. unthinkable in Lombardia

>>2731222
10 years (2011-2021). moved just in time to begin the 1° superiore there

>doubt
well there's a lot of dickheads, but if you work hard you succeed anywhere in the world

>otherwise they wouldn't go to the north/try to get public jobs/get gibs
they move because they don't want to milk the sheeps but sit their asses in an office. hollywood movies definitely popularized le american skyscraper office way of life rather than farming.
but most don't have qualifications to do that so they end up wageslaving in some capannone full of moroccans for not much more money, plus paying half of it in rent that as i said before in Sardinia doesn't exist. farm work is definitely harder thou

>>2729323
They are European but not white. I have more in common with an Afro-German than a white American.

>>2726418
Are you being ironic? Sarcastic?
Europe is not blessed with the same natural splendor as you have there. I won't say you take it for granted, but you really must realise how lucky you are.

The American politicians who enshrined your vast national parks into eternal legtimacy did a truly great thing for your population, and indeed for nature and mankind. They deserve their place on any monument that bears their names, that's for sure.

>>2731753
>I have more in common with an Afro-German
Stop being foolish, man. You have inherent commonality with any white person on a political level (whether you accept that or not), whereas the "Afro-German" -- meaning a black guy who was either born or lives in germany -- has his own set of politics and circumstances, that will often put him at odds with you in a way that the white American simply is not.

Ask the "Afro-German" who he has more in common with, Bob Marley or you. He isn't identifying with your sense of self anywhere near as much as he would with any other black-faced human being.

I'm not trying to bring /pol/ to /out/, but you really need to get real. Your standard of living has been pillaged by people who espouse your sentimentalities, and here you are tooting your little horn haha.

>>2731761
I married an afro-German and she's a nationalist. She doesn't care at all about reggae shit? Are you retarded? American whites do tho.

>>2731770
Fine, but she is a minority and that's why you married her. We both know the general level of integration -- for me UK, you Germany -- and it is lacking to say the least. How was your latest race controversy? I'm sure the "Afro-Germans" really did a good job of respecting your sensibilities, right? They clambered all over our statues screaming oppression in their £100 shoes to much satisfaction, just not to the British population's.

I say all this as someone who almost married an African girl myself. She was apolitical and her identity was Christian, so she remained unmoved by such matters.

But again, to the average black person in Germany, you are less familliar on a historical/ideological level (which are often the primary decivers for "identity") than ANY other black person. They are a team, they act like they are on the same team, they are open about it and even encouraged to feel that way by our institutions/fashions. You on the other hand, are historically, culturally and racially in kinship with Americans -- despite 2 world wars even -- and that shouldn't be denied. Yes, the black guy knows what most of the different wursts are because he eats them whereas the American cannot and does not, but if you were put in an enclosed environment with various different races, you wouldn't be too shocked when the oil seporated from the water and surprise surprise you're surrounded by white people on all sides. These things exist, they matter, and they should not be denied.

>>2727053
Il mio odio per milano aumenta ogni giorno sempre di più

>>2731800
mi raccomando, rimani li e non venire in Val Vigezzo

>>2731802
Non sai quanto tu sia fortunato

>>2731761
>Bob Marley
Bob Marley had a white father in the british army.


primitive rabbit hunting

Anonymous

theres a mountain about 3 kms away from where i live and there are always tons of rabbits there.
maybe im autistic or something but i think it would be really cool to try hunt them only using primitive tools/weapons (nothing more advanced than a bow, and thats already pushing it).
has anyone tried it? or tried rabbit hunting in general? im just looking to get a couple every few weeks or so, nothing too crazy

>>2726560
i dont, and i have considered this. i think its fine ethically because there are literally no predators (australia) around there that will take care of them, also they do damage to native plants and the ecosystem in general. im also planning on just using sticks and rocks and maybe a slingshot so its not like they will catch me with an air rifle or anything

I don't think you will have much success with a bow and arrow or a slingshot. I just don't think you are skilled enough to hunt this way.<br>Your best bet will be traps.

>>2726562
>skilled enough
im planning on practicing this, i just think it would be cool. i guess maybe it might be useful to save on a grocery bill but thats about it
>traps
yeah nah i think im fine. that would be too invasive and would probably get me in trouble

>>2726559
just use an air gun. wanting to kill something in a "primitive" manner is simply sadistic when you have modern tools that allow you to instantly and humanely kill without causing suffering.

Find their hole, block off the other ends of it and start ripping it up with a stick until you get to them.

i did some more research, i think im just going to make a slingshot and some clay ammo (i have some steel flatbar that should be wide enough to do it pretty easily, and i already make pottery so its just a matter of making a mold for the ammo and firing them). ill practice for a while until i can hit a can from 15ish meters reasonably well and then give it a shot (literally lol)
next question is how are you supposed to get within 15 meters of a rabbit?

>>2726565
>air gun
no i dont have one and the licensing is a pain plus if im caught with it im going to be fucked harder than you could imagine
>sadistic
if i get a hit either it wont hurt the rabbit enough for me to not be able to chase it down or i will hurt it enough to run up to it and cut its throat with a knife. thats probably the best way i think

>>2726580
>Find their hole
anon im talking about real rabbits, not the bunny girls you jerk off to

>>2726559
a bow will do the job fine
just practice for a while first, don't wanna winge your shot & peg the poor fuck

>>2726586
>the licensing is a pain
What? I'm a eurocuck and don't need a license for them. All you have to do is show you're over 18. What country is like this?

>>2726608
i said australia here (>>2726561)
i cant remember if it needed a license or just a police check to get one but either way its too much hassle. im just going to use a slingshot because i think it has more plausible deniability plus it would be more fun and if im drinking with an air rifle i think its a problem and im planning on drinking lol

>>2726559
>>2726586
Primitive hunting takes a lot of skill and is much more difficult than hunting with modern gear. If you think you're just going to walk into the forest with a bow or slingshot and shoot a rabbit with no prior practice you're delusional. Take the time to develop your skills so that you can be sure you're hunting in an ethical manner and also not just wasting your time.

>>2726613
>no prior practice
how much practice do you think youd need? and how close can you get before itll start to run?

>>2726619
>how much practice do you think youd need?
For trad archery, I'd say at least 3-4 months of consistent target practice. You need to develop proper muscle memory and back strength. At least an hour twice a week until you can hit a rabbit sized target from 20 yards away consistently. Obviously more practice is better than less. Focus on consistency in form and not injuring yourself. Hitting a small plate sized target once every 3-4 shots isn't going to cut it.

I wouldn't usually shoot a rabbit from 20 yards since even a reasonably good shot will probably hit its stomach or leg or something, but you want to practice a bit outside your max range so that anything closer feels easy.

>and how close can you get before itll start to run?
Honestly depends on the rabbits in your area and how used to humans they are. Similar to ducks and squirrels. Some will let you walk right past them, but the further away from civilization you go (e.g. places you can legally hunt) the spookier they become. You'll figure that part out easily enough though.

>>2726611
Sucks dude, but such is life with strange legislation. Over here you can legally own an air rifle with zero paperwork, but not a slingshot (somehow prohibited all around).

>>2726619
In traditional archery, most deer are shot within 25 yards (at least, they were - those numbers are from a time when trad archery was still a bit more in fashion). You can extrapolate that to rabbits - you'll have to get pretty close. I'd say within ten yards, but I'm mostly a target (field/3d) archer, not a hunter. Note that it's not just "hitting your target", it's stalking to even get close enough and judging the distance correctly.

There are archery targets that can help you in this, specifically the ones that you can kick away some random distance each time you retrieve your arrows.

Godspeed anon. Enjoy.

>>2726559
You can try using a Boomerang.
This has been done in many places.

All you need ist a good piece of Wood.
Be informed that hunting Boomerangs are different from fun Boomerangs.

>>2726559
I've killed quite a few rabbits on traditional recurve bows. (I used to use wooden arrows, feather fletching, whole nine yards but the traditional arrowsreally are too much trouble).

Anyways, rabbits are fairly easy to hunt with a bow. They will just stand there and even if they run they often come back to where they came from. Don't bother with blunt points.

Be warned- killing animals with a traditional bow and arrow is relatibeky hard on the animal- they usually dont die right away. The good thing about rabbits is that they are so small it's sort of hard to wound them and then get away. You either miss or you disable them. Shooting a recurve etc. is more a of a feel type thing, you're just sighting the target and keeping the run of the arrow in your periphery. Rabbits are the best thing to practice on.

The problem with rabbits is that they are most common in the spring and summer but once it gets warm for a while they get warbles. So if you are eating them I only bother after the first frost.

>>2726605
It's common to skewer a rabbit like that but why would you sit there and take pics of it instead of finishing the poor bastard off kek?

Also why is your point gone?

>>2726644
Rabbits are the dunces of prey varmints. They will literally sit there and look at you within like 15 ft kek. Even if they run they will stop a dozen yards away and look again.

I'd say 90% of my rabbit kills were about 25ft. I disagree with alot of anons here, if you just walk through the woods with a bow and arrow, your odds of killing one aren't that terrible. Shooting traditional archery isn't that hard. I'd say a couple of months shooting for a 3-4 hours a week getting muscle memory and gaging distances and you'll be able to hit a volleyball sized target. After a year a grape fruit maybe (under 30 yards). You can't dial it in much more than that unless you get autistic over your arrows etc.

>get a ferret
>find rabbit burrow
>cover all entrances you can find with netting
>send ferret down
>???
>profit

>>2726608
>What country is like this?
You're underestimating just how cucked the government in straya is. I think it's the only cuntry on earth where you need an actual firearm license to buy a fucking orbeez gun

>>2726675
>It's common to skewer a rabbit like that but why would you sit there and take pics of it instead of finishing the poor bastard off kek?
it came from some news site, so ask whatever dumbass did that instead of me
>Also why is your point gone?
what do you mean?

>>2726692
Ferrets are a plague, as are the people that own them

primitive hunting is cool but it's advisable only if you already been shooting or hunting for years and have the training

set up a bottle cap or a spent shotgun shell, whatever distance you can hit it is the distance you should hunt. if you're under 25m, it's going to be pretty difficult, as rabbits are very skittish

honestly try getting an air rifle first, it should be enough challenge to satisfy you initially and then move into something more "difficult".

>>2726637
probably its the concealment factor

>>2726644
>archery
im going to use a slingshot, ive already decided that and you would know if you read the thread

>>2726647
>Boomerang
kek im australian but im white, id get arrested for appropriating their culture probably
>hunting Boomerangs are different
yeah i saw a dude use one to take down a kangaroo once, its way bigger and weighs much more, pretty crazy stuff

>>2726673
>warbles
if this is some disease or something i googled it and couldnt find any in australia

>>2726676
>a couple of months shooting for a 3-4 hours a week getting muscle memory and gaging distances
im going to use a dartboard at first, i have an old one i can dig up, ill switch to empty beer cans pretty soon though i bet

>>2726699
>actual firearm license to buy a fucking orbeez gun
i think thats because they are also imitation firearms, and a license is much easier to get than a non australian would think
>>2726699
>cucked
true, but at least we are aware of it, look at burgerland and you know what i mean

>>2726860
probably you are right on all counts, but i cant be bothered really to get an air rifle and i also dont mind if i cant get anything at first. its not like im trying to feed a family with my slinging skills

theres a ton of disagreement on how skittish they are, i tried chasing them yesterday before i made the thread and i could get within about 15 meters before they started to run.
im also curious on their endurance, but i cant find anything online. is it possible to run after them until they get tired and then just swoop them up? or do they run into their hole first?

>>2726865
damn laws are pretty fked up in australia, just been checking, you even need a loicence for a crossbow or a power-limited airgun.

i'd advice you to get a compound bow and then when you get bored of it move into something different, either a gun (air rifle or rimfire) or traditional bows.

>>2726865
Bot flies or warbles are a fly that lay eggs that turns into a big subcutaneous grub thing. Not dangerous but nasty. Maybe you don't have them there.

Get an affordable recurve and start that way. Practice on a target first then start changing up the range every shot. It really isn't that hard. Watch some videos on technique and just figure out what works for you. Here rabbits are not very skittish. I'm not big on eating them tbqh but I like to practice tanning on their furs.

>>2726867
>>2726870
jesus christ is a bow that much better than a slingshot? if i use a bow id have to buy it and buy arrows, and i dont like buying things. ill also have to carry it to the mountain and back each time on foot past probably a hundred houses and i cant imagine people will be happy with that (a slingshot can be pocketed, and rabbits can go under a jacket or in a bag or something)

>>2726870
>Bot flies
i checked again but i can only see things about horses, im planning on freezing any rabbits i get anyway just in case

>practice tanning on their furs
thats pretty cool, ever made anything with them?

>>2726890
Asking if a bow is better than a slingshot is like asking if a gun is better than a bow. Slingshots are barely better than a blowgun

>>2726891
i said much better, and a bow is better than a gun if you are looking to curve your shots downwards or if you care about how quiet it is, just like a slingshot is better than a bow if you care about walking while you are shooting or the reload speed or the weight/size/concealment bonus

i started on the slingshot a bit, but now i need to make dinner so ill finish it tomorrow probably, maybe ill post a picture but its just bent rebar basically

>>2726586
>anon im talking about real rabbits, not the bunny girls you jerk off to
This is how you catch them dumbass. Even better of you have a spade. I grew up in Otago m8, I just shot them because I'm not an Australian I'm allowed a rifle, but this is how you do it.

Catch a fucken roo you pussy.

>>2726913
>Catch a fucken roo
maybe if you catch a bald eagle first retard. it was a joke, just like i hope you were also joking (because its an idea only faggot burgers come up with)

>>2726923
Kiwi. I'd catch a roo. Go catch a goddam Roo what the fuck are ya scared of, picking on little bunny rabbits.

>>2726924
kek now i know why you didnt like the comment, you only jerk off to sheep holes

>>2726865
>im going to use a slingshot, ive already decided that and you would know if you read the thread
Well fuck you too then, dickhead.

>>2726899
>curve your shot downwards
What do you even mean by this kek?

But look a bow is obviously alot more quiet. You can also shoot it with relative imputiny as far as there being anything behind the target goes. Having said that, it is about 50x inferior to a firearm obviously if you are actually trying to kill something to eat. For me it is almost strictly sport though I dont have much desire to eat a rabbit. It is fun and rewarding to shoot something with a bow mostly- but it is hard on the animal and some people have certain sensibilities that make this aspect repulsive to them.

>>2726890
I didn't realize you'd be walking around d inhabited places with it kek.

And no I don't do a whole lot with them. Throw them over the back of a chair or set lamps on them etc. that sort of thing.

>>2726937
why would you even post this?

>>2726952
im not, the point was that different things have different uses, a battleship railgun is 5000x better than a firearm, are you going to use that to hunt rabbits?

>>2726964
>What do you even mean by this kek?
i didnt word it right, and my dinner was on the stove so i needed to be quick typing it.
you know how in those old roman documentaries how they get their shields up because arrows are shot into the air and then they come down? you cant do that with a gun. it was the first thing that came to my head really

>if you are actually trying to kill something to eat
this isnt the goal, and if it was i would use traps. its more for fun that might have a reward if i hit a shot. that being said maybe it would be cool to go /out/ with just a slingshot and a loincloth eating raw rabbits

>you'd be walking around d inhabited places
yeah the spot i thought would be great is ~200m from a walking trail, its the kind of mountain that people walk up in the morning or after work or with their kids

>>2727295
>im not delusional
>i think i can shoot a rabbit by raining arrows onto them like a line of bowmen against a shield formation

>>2727315
i never said that retard, and besides, thats probably more realistic than illegally bringing an illegal firearm to illegally hunt rabbits a hundred meters away from a family trying to go out for a walk

picrel is slingshot, im going to go out and get elastic from somewhere and tie it down and then adjust the forks a bit. its rebar bent with a sledgehammer with a brick used as an anvil, its not supposed to be pretty

>>2727329
You might be the dumbest /out/ poster of all time.

>>2727330
nothats,,,me.,dontell me howdumb iam!,
,,ivegotestsand stuff to Proveit!,
,,,,,villagediot is tuffwork,,get whatyou CAN!
>>2727329
youcant,,just MAKE a slingshot!,thats millions of years of tech apropreation,,giveit back.

slingshots aren't primative because you need an elastic rubber. a sling (picrel) would be primative, a bow is primative, a spear is primative, a rabbit stick/boomarang is primative, throwing a rock really hard is primative, a slingshot is absolutely a modern invention

OP is just a gay retarded nogunz australian who's probably going to get arrested for being a stupid bitch

>>2727330
>>2727334
kek

>>2727335
i have a ficus elastica i can probably harvest to make latex, is that primitive enough for you?

>>2727336
god OP if you aren't larping PLEASE send a photo

>>2727338
im not larping really, but i am joking (i hope no one thought that i would make my own elastic from scratch).
i have the plant though, 3 actually. picrel is my "desk" one, i also have a mother plant thats about 3 meters tall and a whore that i harvested latex from a few years ago to make a condom from (i thought it would be funny). i also waterproofed my hat with the leftover latex and its still waterproof to this day

>>2727654
nah i want to have fun with it, and i might end up catching someones toddler (which would be funny until i get arrested). i use traps carp fishing though and they work pretty well

>>2726676
>I disagree with alot of anons here, if you just walk through the woods with a bow and arrow, your odds of killing one aren't that terrible.
Where do you even find rabbits? I go hiking every weekend and I literally never see them. I've seen more moose than rabbits, no joke.

>>2727668
Maybe its just a regional thing. If i wialk in the woods a few miles im guaranteed to see two or three. Usually in spring they are more common- they hang around in either grassy meadows or they bed-up in thickets and thick brush. Every one I've ever killed was in the evening time. After dark they are fairly active too you can shine their eyes and get fairly close to them. I keep a wide lane mowed back around a swamp maybe three widths of an 8ft mower (maybe about mile long total) and it doesn't get driven on much so it's just tall grass and I see them there pretty much every couple of days. My suspicion is that they are pretty much everywhere but I only tend to see them in meadows and grass because it would be hard to see them in the brush.

The funny thing is that I see more of them around the house than anywhere, there are a few areas outside the main yard where I just let the grass grow a little taller or let the sorrel and toadflax come in this time of year and there most evenings there will be three or four of them will just bouncing around out there in it like it's a spawn point on a vidya or something. I have a few big blueberry shrubs nearby that I think maybe they are attracted to.

In the last ten years or so the eagles have become so common that I figured they would eradicate them but it doesn't seem to have put a dent in them at all.

>>2726559
From my understanding the best way to catch small game like this in a primitive way is with snare traps. Takes the sport out of it I suppose but hunting a rabbit with a bow or sling sounds like a nightmare. I've been sport shooting rabbits and typically you're shooting at them from 50ish yards. (They are invasive and wreck the native plants in the area I have done this so keep your ass cheeks unclenched) 50 yards is a long shot for a bow/sling and if you want to get closer you're either going to have to be extremely patient and stealthy, or shoot from the hip after scaring them up out of the brush. Fucking forget about a spear or other thrown projectiles.

>>2726559
Rabbits were introduced and are invasive. Set snare everywhere and don't feel bad at all. Sure, use a bow or whatever but murder as many as you can m8.

>>2727698
He seems to be in Australia--they're invasive there. He shouldn't sport hunt: he should sport genocide.

>>2727698
See my experience with rabbits is that they don't require any stalking or waiting. They are literally bozos of the animal world. You just walk through the woods, look for open grassy spots, catch a glimpse of their tails and then take your shot. They will alert on you and just sit there and look at you half the time. You'll probably be less than 30 yards from them alot of the time.

>>2727867
That's exactly what an invasive species would say.

>>2727667
with what? i dont get it

>>2727668
>>2727684
certainly a regional thing, if you see moose its probably too cold for rabbits or something

>>2727684
>Every one I've ever killed was in the evening time
good info, thanks anon

>eagles have become so common that I figured they would eradicate them
rabbits breed like crazy, the thing limiting them most of the time is physical space, you could probably kill 50% of them every year or so and the population would still increase. eagles are also fairly territorial im pretty sure so its not like theres going to be 600 of them picking every rabbit off

>>2727698
>invasive and wreck the native plants in the area
yeah, im not worried about the ethics of it. if anything it would be more ethical to rid the country of them

>Fucking forget about a spear or other thrown projectiles
lol i did think about just chasing them with rocks, and i did one session of this when i first got the idea a week ago. maybe its doable but youd need to be an olympic cornhole/darts player probably

>>2727867
kek

anyone have any ideas of what would make a good band? i tried some thick rubber bands just now and i didnt really like it (i think they are too short, videos online show something with an absurd draw length)
im thinking of getting one of those exercise bands and folding it a few times to make it narrow

>>2726611
not sure how it is in Australia but here in the states you don't hunt rabbit till after the first freeze because of parasites, look into your area

>>2726563
a snare trap is very low-key and super easy to make.

>>2726890
the idea of someone having a problem with me carrying a bow as a burger is mind-boggling. people don't even look twice when private fire arms deals go down in grocery parking lots lol

>>2728751
Once a rabbit runs- it's gone (sometimes they will stop and look though 15 or 20 yards later). The bigger issue with a bow etc. and target shooting is the distance issue. Target shooting is good for the mechanics of shooting, the release, muscle memory etc. But irl you aren't going to be shooting from a distance you've had multiple shots to adjust to. So you have to get a feel for distances so that you can be accurate on that first shot. Using a bow, what I've done with rabbits is that I just walk to what I feel is the zero distance (no drop, no rise) and take my shot from there even if I could get closer.

With rabbits I dont think there's much value in creeping up on it. I mean don't go stomping towards it or anything, but look the animal knows your there. It's more of a time thing with them. If you give it 2 minutes (while you are creepy crawling) you're going to miss the window every time. I see the rabbit, walk quietly and briskly to what I think is my preferred distance, and take the shot quickly. Tge rabbit is only going to sit there for like 20-30 seconds max.

>>2728770
Also, as a side note. If you scare a rabbit from where it's holed-up, it will usually come back to that spot alot quicker than you think. So if you think you scared it out of its den or whatever, then it's worth waiting a few minutes.

>>2726608
australia, the most cucked country on eath. you know its illegal to toot your horn, or wave your arm out the window of a car there?

>>2728718
no, and i have no plans to catch one anytime soon

>>2728746
i will, thanks anon

>>2728749
yes, i said this already. i use them fishing carp but i dont want to use them catching these rabbits, partly for the sport, partly for legal reasons and partly because there are children that run through the area im planning on going to

>>2728751
i have no idea what this means

>>2728755
yes maybe but im sure the stats of the mass slaughter of burger children in schools is also mind boggling so i dont think you can say much

>>2728770
>Target shooting is good for the mechanics of shooting, the release, muscle memory
im target shooting already, though using rocks instead of the end goal of clay (rocks dont break easily). im getting the hang of it faster than what anons here were leading me to believe
>feel for distances
yeah this is what im going to do next, planning on throwing half a dozen empty beer cans out in front of me and hitting them all in sucession without misses, thats the next level in my training

last paragraph is very good advice, thank you anon

>>2728772
>come back to that spot alot quicker than you think
maybe, ill see what works

>>2729357
you can do all those in australia, and can you really do them in burgerland? wont you get shot if you toot your horn too much? or if you wave at someone incorrectly? again youre the most cucked because you dont realise it

i got the resistance bands (15kg, probably will move up to 30kg when im really hunting) and they work all right. i rebent the forks to hold the bands better and filed/sanded down the rough edges and now its looking reasonably professional. i also had to redo the handle to make it more comfortable so really it might be better than a store bought one.
i have a dartboard ive been hitting with rocks and i can hit the middle reasonably often from about 10m away
maybe before this thread dies ill post a rabbit and ask for skinning/butchering advice

>>2730059
>burger kids getting slayed in school=mind-boggling

Not really, dundee, since almost all have been psyop glowing bullshit.

I just see a shady duck
>I am not a crook

>>2726867
IIRC those Australian pussies even consider airsoft and gel blasters to be restricted weapons and they'll charge you for having them.

>>2730279
op said in this thread that its because they are imitation firearms, which is fair enough i suppose

>>2730378
No it isnt fair enough or at all. Dont just limply acquiesce in the face of tyranny.

>>2726559
There's lots of videos on youtube of people taking rabbits with slingshots. It is not easy though, that is an understatement. They are fiddly things. To get close enough and to nail one with a slingshot is a pretty crafty undertaking, but at the same time a 10mm ball bearing from 2 pieces of rubber only stuns them dead, if that makes sense. It's not like a fatal wound, more like a direct impact that just knocks the life out of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=d<wbr>esktop&v=ZjS_-JLDuPI

>>2730397
I read something once about medieval english peasants being restricted to a type of broadhead arrow that was basically a big cylinder like a cork on the end. They were restricted to it because it wasn't fatal to people or larger game (reserved for the nobility) but could kill rabbits with ease, without wounding and opening them up

pic related seems to be the modern equivalent but they seem rare. I wonder if there's one that works for crossbows

>>2726890
I've shot rabbits that turned out to have bot flies. It's really nasty looking, but the larvae leave when the host is dead. If you just wait for them to crawl out, the meat will be fine, but of course the skin will be unusable.

>>2727334
Hey, it's that guy! Haven't seen you post in ages.

>>2730415
Blunt are used because broadheads will fuck up most of the small amount of meat and it's better to crush the ribcage entirely than skewer through it.

>>2730524
In my opinion game blunts, even for rabbits, are not particularly effective. The only good thing about them is that they make it harder to damage or lose an arrow.

>>2726559
me and my brother used to hunt rabbits using 2 different methods when we were bored tweens.

the first method we would use is find a creek with a lot of bunny dropping and climb up into a tree with a big rock. then we would wait and when we saw a bunny we would drop the rock on it. worked pretty consitently but requires alot of waiting

we also would make long spears (~8 feet) and just really slowely approach the bunny until we were with arms reach plus the length of the spear. then we would take a big lunging step and stab out and down. this method takes some practice as you cant look directly at the bunny becuase our predator eyes make them run away and me and my brother could only be quiet enough when we were barefoot.

hope this helps anon


Two of my hiking friends are going to the USA for two months leaving me alone for the summer without hiking friends. I don't get it. I am from the Netherlands, which yes is flat and boring but Europe is better than America for landscapes. Want mountains? Go to urals, Carpathians, Alps. Want canyons? Go to Greece, Turkey, and France. Want deserts? Visit Spain. Want grasslands? Visit the European plains. Want forests? Visit England, Germany, Baltics.

I have been told American plains and flatlands and grasslands are more interesting because the heat lightening and powerful storms are awesome. But so? So you're saying Europe cannot do awe inspiring stuff?

To me it's Americentrism. Like we all must go to America for nature. Europe has so much more and yes I know people will say america has areas of super sparse populations. Okay, so does Russia. So what? If you go into nature in germany or france it won't feel any different than Alaska or Montana besides the landscape.

In my view people should stay in europe because then our nature will be more accurately seen as as good as or even better than americas. America has mythologies around their natural areas which sadly causes europeans to think it is worth it to visit.

I know this is probably a bait post because you said England has forests, but I have trees in my back yard taller than anything you could find in Europe. Only advantage to Europe is that in some cases your ancestors have been in that nature for thousands of years, but if you are going across the continent for purely nature exploration anyway you might as well come to America. Yes I would rather roam the Spanish countryside than see the southwest, but the southwest has more stunning desert

>>2726651
>American nature not worth it for Europeans
Obviously, who the fuck wanna go to america when i have whole finland for myself

>If you go into nature in germany or france it won't feel any different than Alaska or Montana besides the landscape.

Bait, population density isn't even close.

>>2726671
>>2726674
I mean, England does have some nice forests. But yeah, not many. If you want forests you should go to Germany, Poland, Scandinavia etc.

We chopped most of forests down in England, though the small patches of ancient woodland that are left are a delight to walk through, it's not exactly a reason to visit England by itself, only if you happened to be there for another reason already you could take a quick look.

>>2726683
He didn't say the population density was the same? He said once you are there in nature, it doesn't feel any different.

If you are deep in a forest in a mountain and there is a town 15 miles away which you cannot see, vs 100 miles away, so what?

>>2726688
Population density in wilderness isn't independent of the population of the surrounding area.

>>2726694
The population density in the surrounding area determines the popularity of the park you will visit. If you want true seclusion with nature go to upper NW.

>>2726651
Don't care about the thread, my country's in the OP!!!

>In my view people should stay in europe
Based.

>>2726930
Yes. America sucks. Stay in Europe :)

>>2726651
OP, have you ever been to the USA?
or are you just bitching because now you're lonely because your friends are away?

>>2726651
The problem with the US is euro trash has turned it into fucking gay ass Europe.

In every fucking thread,"why do burgers need guns?" because we are fucking slave yet, like you.

Only some.dumb grass is always greener retard would visit this private property ranger jannie shithole knows as amermuttca. Enjoy retard I'll trade.

>>2730249
Yankee doodle went to town
Got raped by a nigger
Always brags about his guns
And never pulls the trigger.

>>2726651
>Wigry National Park
So it was a national park this whole time and not a bike? Damn.

As an Euro, the main thing that seems cool about the American nature is the wilderness and remoteness of certain parts. Dude, there are probably plenty of places in Montana/Idaho/Alaska where there practically no people living permanently in a 50km radius. Good luck finding a place like that in anywhere in Europe.

What's cool about hiking in the US is that you have to prepare much more carefully when it comes to supplies and other things, especially in the winter, while in Europe you're an hour away from a fucking grocery store or supermarket, and that's the worst case scenario.

>>2730297
this out I don't go to cities just town, not meany Niggers in a small town asswipe. Let me guess you never been out of a city?

>>2726671
maybe it's the photo but I live in Poland and they look about as tall as the treesin my backyard. I'll give you this tho - sudden winds a fwew years back took down 3/5 of them.

>>2726688
Spoken like a eurofag who doesn't know any better

Europe has Red Deer, which is the most Deer of all Deer, they're pretty big but not Elk Big, they have the most Antler of all Antlers and have the coolest roars too.

Granted that Europe doesn't really have much true wild Red Deer population, that kinda takes away from it.

>>2726651
>hiking in USA to see plains, mountains, canyons, deserts and forests
>just go, maybe watch out for bears
>hiking in Europe to see plains, mountains, canyons, deserts and forests
>lol, get a passport, learn local laws for every place you're visiting (as camping may be practically illegal) and learn at least 5 different languages first, then maybe we'll talk
y-yeah, europe sure is great bros

>>2732353
>get a passport
Is that even a problem in the US?
>learn local laws for every place you're visiting (as camping may be practically illegal)
It's literally a google away. Just avoid the countries with nazi laws and expensive tickets (Germany, Austria and Switzerland) and you'll be fine. The entire Scandinavia has ultra liberal camping laws, same goes for most of Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Even if you get caught in some of the places where camping is illegal, they won't do anything.

Also, reminder, you can sleep anywhere if nobody sees you. Avoid very popular tourist destinations, do stealth camping, sleep under a tarp or a bivvy, also the authorities are usually much more friendly towards foreigners, unless you're from an "enemy" country.

>learn at least 5 different languages first
Every other person in Europe is at least communicative in English, and usually the authorities are fluent. No, you don't really need to learn any language, unless you're planning on moving there, but it's a whole nother story.

>>2726651
Correct. Don't come here. Stay in your bug hive.


You have been abducted by aliens and they are telling You that you are going to be dropped onto an uninhabited planet with an Earthlike atmosphere and and an ecosystem identical to the pacific northwest.

they have given you a set of thrirteen empty boxes whose interiors is 1 foot tall 2 feet wide and 8 feet long, you may request anything you want for on the planet and you have a weight limit of 35 pounds each (not including the box itself) you will not be leaving the planet, no rescue is coming

One box will come with you the other 12 will arrive in six month intervals

What do you pack?
How do you pack it?
Which do you take with you initially?

>>2727014

that mountain lion looks like a fent head

>>2727014
i have 4 questions before they drop me back on earth to fill the boxes.
#1: am i going to drop in shorts and a t-shirt, or can i drop in in combat gear? 1.1: if combat gear is a yes, can i fill the pockets and pouches?
#2 can i pick where i will be dropped at?
#3 will any other survivors ever be dropped to the same planet? madness has a higher chance of ending me then a damn bear-like creature.
#4 can i get a book or even pamphlet on what berries and plants are poisonous and what arnt?

>>2727014
1x2x8ft size box and limited to 35 lbs? Gonna be packing fucking air I guess that’s like fuck all weight for that much volume

>>2727014
>onto an uninhabited planet with an Earthlike atmosphere and and an ecosystem identical to the pacific northwest.
When you say identical I'm taking your word for it.
>Temperate year round, barely snows, abundant fish, shellfish, deer, rabbits, and no seriously dangerous wildlife.
>blackberries grow literally everywhere providing even more free food
Score, this is fucking ez mode. Assuming I get to keep the clothes I'm wearing right now.

to start we'll go with:
Stainless steel pot (5 lbs)
Ruger MkIV lite +4 magazines (2.5 lbs)
350 rounds .22lr (2.5 lbs)
2 tarps (1 lbs)
5 moraknives (1 lbs)
200 feet of paracord (1lbs)
2x folding saw (1 lbs)
2 large wool blankets (2 lbs)
potatoes (5 lbs)
seeds (squash, tomato, cabbage, onion, garlic, rosemary, dill) (1.5 lbs)
fishing line + hooks (1 lbs)
rubbing alcohol (1 lbs)
flashlight + fuckload of AA batteries (3 lbs)
waterproof jacket+change of clothes (3 lbs)
Gransfors Bruk scandinavian forest axe (2.5lbs)
1lbs of bic lighters
extra socks+underwear (1 lbs)

That is everything I "need" and then some. Potatoes will be cut up and planted when ready. Going to rely on fish and rabbit traps primarily for food to begin with, fishing line is primarily to make snares since actively fishing is a waste of time. Might take it up for fun though. Luckily I am familiar with essentially everything edible in the PNW and foraging won't be a problem at all.

Next box will be parts for a still and bottles. Have to be a little creative with the size limits but it'll work. We're going to make vodka, blackberry brandy, and so much more. After that will be my raifu, ammo, and a shitload of doujinshi so I can avoid raping a deer hopefully. More and more seeds of various plants I don't have yet as well as spare boots. Different varieties of potato. A few different styles of saw. Fertilized chicken eggs, probably around box 6.

The only shitty thing is no coffee. Way too labor intensive and it won't grow in this environment anyway.

>>2727019
How small do you think 1' is eurofag?

>>2727014
>1 foot tall 2 feet wide and 8 feet long 35 pounds

I don't understand anything about american units

However my superior Italian mind understand that the dimensions are quite limited.

Being an intelligent person, I understand that raw firepower can't fix everything. I will need to integrate or dominate a foreign society in order to live and not simply surviving.

For this reason I will have 7 female dwarves with ak 74u and mags in the boxes.
This decision is based on pragmatism, and not on fetish. (I don't like women)

1) The race needs to survive, and with 7 women I will have a good start
2)I need an army, a small, army
3)Being taller than the others, and the only male the natives will understand that i am the one in charge (also i will have a normal size ak 74)
4) Dwarves are usually less mentally ill than the averange person, their women don't have crazy standards and they are well grounded.

>>2727021
Anon, that's 16 cubic feet. That amount of stacked Tupperware weighs several hundred pounds. Or dirt. Hell, I have a bag of extremely basic hand tools that's 12" x 24" x 12" and weighs more than 25 pounds. His weight requirements are fucking retarded for the given volume.

Also the PNW is very poorly-supplied with both accessible metals and flint, which is going to make things like basic hand tools and weapons incredibly hard to improvise, repair, or replace.

>>2727022
>well grounded
also that's a pretty short list of demands, it'll be a small task for the aliens to fulfill but not sure if you'll be allowed to bring another living being though but surely they'll figure something out

>>2727023
>Also the PNW is very poorly-supplied with both accessible metals and flint
oh no this region with extensive historic volcanic activity doesn't have readily accessible flint, whatever will you do? Pic related, the superior option dug up from my back yard.
>which is going to make things like basic hand tools and weapons incredibly hard to improvise, repair, or replace.
You have 12 shipments of tools to choose from though.
>accessible metals
it's not like you're going to be setting up an industrial steel plant, are you? PNW has ample bog iron which is one of the easiest kinds to process in a primitive manner. Do you really plan on fucking mining, solo?

>>2727014
But i'm not abducted by aliens???

>>2727014
>let me tell you all about that blue-haired faggot calling himself "Maverick"

>>2727014
12 boxes of 35lbs plates and 1box of collapsible weightlifting bar

>>2727014
>an ecosystem identical to the pacific northwest.
A P90

Fucking arirals and their pranks, I sweat to god!
Ok, once I stole their purple melon-pumpkin thing from their picnic, but that doesn't mean they get to harrass me to no end. I thought they had abandoned it, I didn't know they were watching me in stealth-suits.

They already spray-painted my house and threw rocks at my window.

>>2727014
>you may request anything you want
Matter replicator/recycler
I'll either end up building my own fetish holodeck or a space ship to leave this dump.

>>2727014
rate my setup

a selection of curated seeds (i already have a compendium of 75 seeds irl)
books on survival & crafting that'd be able to be done anywhere, as in stone tools, shelters, traps, baskets, etc
some books for entertainment
a bible
some titanium camping cookwear
some enameled cast iron cookwear
a set of clothes that would cover each season
some axes & knives
a singlejack & a sledge hammer
a titanium spear & a couple extra heads
some firestarting kits
some titanium poles
tarps
a fuckload of 550cord
some titanium animal traps
some titanium fish traps
1 Savage A22 Takedown rifle & 3000rd of 22lr
1 scout rifle & 1000rd of .308
a 22lr rifle cleaning kit & a .308 rifle cleaning kit
a couple mirrors
some antibiotics & general medical supplies
vitamins
flashlight & batteries
and some rations

i'm assuming this set of things is probably cutting it close on weight, if not, just add more shit to the pile i guess
i'd also have to see the stuff in person to actually pack it by what is needed from short term to long term
the crate i'll take down with me will have some clothes, an axe, a knife, a firestarting kit, camping cookwear, the A22 with 400rds, a few rations, medical supplies, vitamins, the titanium poles & tarp to make a basic shelter, 550 cord, a fishtrap, a couple small animal traps, some seeds, a small mirror, and a flashlight with some batteries, i'm guessing that'd right at the max of 35lb
for the 2nd supply drop, i'd like it to be the .308 & 400rds of ammo, some more clothes, the two cleaning kits, some books, some seeds, and maybe a few other things like an enameled cast iron pot
i mostly just want the important stuff out of the way, that way i can be able to build a camp & learn the land
i imagine if i can make it past the first year, the 2nd will be much easier, though i'll most likely start getting quite malnourished, so during the 2nd i'd like to create a farm with some essential staple crops

i'l probably die by winter though

>>2727022
This is the autism I come here for

>>2727014
OP, can these boxes contain living things?

>>2727032
>a selection of curated seeds
Could be useful if you have experience gardening. Do you?
>cookware
Why both cast iron and titanium? It's redundant, and given how precious weight is cast iron cookware seems very wasteful.
>slegehammer
useful, but man that weight cost....

The rest is fairly logical, but I'm seeing some really obvious shit you're missing: containers, a saw, binocs or similar, soap, salt, water purification methods (redundant, just like methods of starting fires) sewing supplies...

>>2727034
>do you have experience gardening?
>he asks the seed collector
I would wager anon has fostered a sprout or two

>>2727014
420 lbs of pregnant cats and rats. I may die but I'm ruining your planet's ecosystem along the way.

>>2727035
anon, there's tons of "preppers" who have zero experience and just consoom things on a checklist. there are tons of companies pushing "survival seed kits", and lots of retards who buy them thinking they're all set for doomsday but in reality have no idea which of those seeds will grow in their area, when to plant, how deep to plant, etc. I didn't want to make assumptions, hence my question. Seeds are great to pack if you know how to plant them. If you don't then you need to learn before they become useful.

>>2727036
a Styrofoam warehouse maybe.

>>2727037
pigs and mosquitoes would be a lot better.

>>2727039
Mosquitos is good but pigs are heavy.

>>2727034
>Could be useful if you have experience gardening. Do you?
i do, and currently am
>Why both cast iron and titanium? It's redundant, and given how precious weight is cast iron cookware seems very wasteful.
the cast iron is for long term, and the titanium is for short term / travel, because imagine if you had to live the rest of your whole life cooking from a glorified tin can?
>useful, but man that weight cost....
i wouldn't want to use a axe as a hammer, its both dangerous & wasteful
though, thinking about it, i should have chosen a maul instead of a sledge hammer, more use
>The rest is fairly logical, but I'm seeing some really obvious shit you're missing: containers, a saw, binocs or similar, soap, salt, water purification methods (redundant, just like methods of starting fires) sewing supplies...
containers fits for the plants i have, bushel gourds will to the job
saws don't last forever, but i guess a few wouldn't hurt as they don't weigh much
binocs are give or take to me imho
soap is taken up by soapwort
water purification is taken up by boiling, but i guess some tablets & a canteen would be good
and i actually forgot to add sewing supplies, but i guess i could scrounge some from the medical supplies though

>>2727038
my collection started as a 50/50 of merely liking plants & "prepping" because fallout (the fps ones) was super interesting to me
so from like 2008 onward i've been making my own little list of seeds, though its not about prepping as much as it is about being self sufficient & eating healthy now
if you'd like, i can post the list in image form

>>2727041
>because imagine if you had to live the rest of your whole life cooking from a glorified tin can?
I love cooking so that absolutely bothers me. And I love CI cookware. But it's just too damn heavy when you only get a very limited amount of weight to bring over.

>saws don't last forever,
No, but they're much more efficient than an axe for many tasks, and you can always bring a saw file so you can sharpen them. That kind of file is both tiny and lightweight.

>>2727041
>if you'd like, i can post the list in image form
I don't really care about the list, I just wanted to make sure you were learning to grow your seeds. The more you talk about making lists and the less you talk about actual gardening the more worried I get. But if youve been growing stuff since '08 you're on the right track.

>>2727042
i'm mostly imagining after some years of living on the planet that i'd just devolve into a stoneage agrarian lifestyle (basically just an injun lol)
the few things i'd have that would be metal or plastic would merely be there for pure convenience, thats why i'd have a good solid cooking pot that'll last me a lifetime
though i'm more accustom to surviving in a desert environment, i imagine i could tough it out long enough to parse the books i'd have brought along
i think the biggest worry is disease more than anything else, i'm gonna be alone & if i get 1 bad fever or gangrene, i'm dead, theres just no helping it

Op here im going to clarify some things after some thinking

Yes living things can be put in the boxes
I miss typed the box dimensions its suppoes to be 5 feet not 8( numpad fatfingers)

any volume not occupied by your chosen items will be stuffed with an edible non toxic and highly nutritious, filling, sweet and savory flavored and flammable packing material with anti depressant propeties

The packing material can be dissolved in water and smeared on wounds as a highly effective pain killer antibiotic and healing booster (halves healing time)

these properties only appear when its dissolved in boiling water
after the first year additional people will be dropped on the planet with the same terms, they are not guaranteed to be human, but are guaranteed to be team players

They will be dropped within 5 miles of your camp where ever it is and one person will arrive every two weeks for a year and then it will stop for 2 years start again for a year stop wait 4 years start for a year and then no more

The boxes will be delivered via being thrown out the back of a speeding dropship with a parachute and smoke device attachv8syed, within 5 miles of your camp

when all of the boxes have been delivered you may once request as much as you want as will fit inside a single stardard cargo container

>>2727057
>after the first year additional people will be dropped on the planet with the same terms, they are not guaranteed to be human, but are guaranteed to be team players
>They will be dropped within 5 miles of your camp where ever it is and one person will arrive every two weeks for a year and then it will stop for 2 years start again for a year stop wait 4 years start for a year and then no more
i am NOT coexisting with any damn spaceniggers

i change my first crate to have clothes, a camping kitchen set, a knife, a canteen, water purification tablets, an axe, a file, a tent, and a flashlight & batteries
and the second crate will contain an AR10 with 5000rd of .308, more batteries, and the seeds of kudzu, rosa multiflora, japanese barberry, and black locust
with the third crate being filled with a whole a 50/50 set of ticks & mosquitos
and after that, every other crate i have is filled with cobalt 60

>>2727014
hypothetically speaking could i bring a girlfriend
a girl would fit in the box

Initial Box (35 lbs):

Folding Tent (5 lbs): Provides immediate shelter.
Water Purification Tablets (1 lb): Makes water safe to drink.
First-Aid Kit (5 lbs): Essential for medical emergencies.
Multi-tool (2 lbs): Versatile tool for repairs and basic construction.
Fishing Line, Hooks, and Sinkers (2 lbs): Enables catching food.
Metal Pot (3 lbs): For cooking and boiling water.
Fire Starter Kit (2 lbs): Flint and steel or lighter for fire creation.
Seeds (5 lbs): Choose fast-growing vegetables and herbs for immediate planting.
Waterproof Notebook & Pencil (1 lb): For documentation and planning.

Box 2 (6 Months): Heavy-duty tarp, rope, saw, axe (shelter improvements & tool creation).
Box 3: Water filtration system, water storage containers (long-term water security).
Box 4: High-calorie, long-lasting food rations (emergency backup food supply).
Box 5: Books on survival skills, gardening, and local flora/fauna identification.
Box 6: Solar panels, battery pack, inverter (for basic electricity generation).
Box 7: Sewing kit, fabric, needles (clothing repair and shelter construction).
Box 8: Metalworking tools (hammer, anvil, small forge) (advanced tool creation).
Box 9: Seeds for fruit trees and grains (long-term food security).
Box 10 - 12: Livestock breeding pairs (chickens, rabbits) (sustainable food source).

>>2727022
Anon inadvertently creates the Squats from 40K.
What a fucking legend.

8 changes of clothes two for each season
Hand axe and Hand drill
Sharpening stone
Topical antibiotic and painkiller
Sewing kit
Canvas tent and wood stove
 a 357 revolver 2 speedloaders and a sack of loose rounds

>>2727057
this makes things more interesting, not having to worry about meds or immediate food supplies.

>>2727014
Box 1: Your average well-made survival kit, we all know what goes here. But with extra stuff
>blackpowder flintlock rifles
>Civil war Minie balls
>Blackpowder

Box 2: Preindustrial construction tools and chemistry equipmemt. More BP and balls.
Box 3: Books on every technology from prehistory to industrial era. Especially chemistry, metallurgy, and ore identification. Biology books too for local flora and fauna. More guns
Box 4: Minie ball molds, mining equipment, tongs, anvil, hammer, crucibles, etc.
Box 5: Seeds; corn, wheat, fruit, potatos, etc. More guns
Box 6-7: Animal husbandry. Fertilized chicken eggs for incubation, maybe rabbits if enough can be stuffed inside for a genetically stable populations
Box 8-9: A pair of small cute young girls with good genetics and fertility, they'll grow into strong women fit to take my dick and bear many children
Box 10-13: Equipment for an in vitro fertilization lab, solar and hydro powered. Human eggs and sperm from good genetic stock. Won't last long, but at least enough to start the population bomb a la Interstellar. I'm a biologist so I think I know what to do.

Thank you ayys for letting us humans start a new colony. My thought process is whatever is in the cargo hold of those 1600's colony ships like the Mayflower, stuff needed to start a self sustaining colony that can work on the tech tree from there using info from the books. (e.g. blackpowder will be synthesized in situ from nitrate rich rot, lead from mined galena). The lab will only need to last long enough until a genetically stable human population can sustain itself. The girls will be constantly pregnant from my seed or have female test tube embryos implanted in them. Then their daughters will be impregnated, then their granddaughters, etc. etc.

>>2727057
In that case, I want my cargo container to be filled with a fuckton of frozen human embryos, a fully equipped in vitro lab, an ob-gyn clinic, and as many drugged sleeping fertile cute girls that can be inhumanely stacked inside.

I'll change my boxes 8-13 to have more colony-building supplies, livestock, seeds, equipment, etc. to increase chances of survival

>>2727084
>i am NOT coexisting with any damn spaceniggers
Hear hear. Humanity will outbreed the xeno scum

>>2728928
>>2728915

P.S. I'll replace box 3 with a cute girl that suits my preferences. For the sake of my sanity, didnt think of the timescale of the whole operation spending years without human contact will suck. Bump the box of books down the queue. Send her in with reversible contraceptive implants so we can fuck all we want while we're busy setting things up. Then I'll put babies in her once the population bomb kicks off.

>>2728589
Same as this guy
minus the meds
plus a laptop and solar panel
and a pair of well fitted clogs

>>2729440
Same as this guy but add an extra thick hunters blanket

>>2727014
Chickens, basic hand tools, and a .22 rifle in the first load. Rest of the shipments will be 35lbs of .22 ammo and fucking air I guess.

First box
Rope Cloth Axe and handdrill
Other boxes idk ; its cave man time/

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>>2727014
Crazy and proud answer: ask for nothing. There will be no negotiation with alien terrorists. I will die on the planet, reïncarnate, work and get eaten ad perpetuam and feed the world until they reïncarnate as my own and we form alliances on our own terms. Then when the aliens come again and take one of us away, we'll have the compounded knowledge in our souls for starting again on a different, maybe harder planet, and the aliens will be not scary, but mere intergalactic taxi drivers. Maybe they'll even think 'We're proud of you, human. Bazinga-zonga.' Survival of the spirit is more important than bodily survival. A broken spirit will never survive, but a cripple can survive if it has spirit.
>t. Keyboard survivalist
Brb, going to feed my spirit

>>2731228
>doesn't have the drive to survive
>this is somehow a chad move because muh new age hippie thought pattern

>>2731229
It's living on your feet or bending to aliens as emperors and accepting that they helped you get going, always being in debt. I'd rather live on my feet.

>>2731239
>all kinds of debt to all beings are to be avoided at all costs

you wrote this with your computer and uploaded it to the internet, dunce. you talk about "survival of the spirit" but your goal is to sit and rot. you are a hypocrite, and i believe your decisions are based in fear.

>>2731228
>There will be no negotiation with alien terrorists.
>>2731239
>accepting that they helped you get going, always being in debt
So which one is it, contrarian? Are they terrorists through their actions, or will you be in their debt through them?

>>2732107
not the anon your addressing, i do not see how these are contradictory statements

Also hes being unreasonable

>>2732116
Imagine you're kidnapped. You're not "in debt" to your kidnappers if they feed you to keep you alive.

>>2727014
>box 1: 1 gun, a rifle (probably a lightweight .308 build), 3 mags for the rifle, 90 rounds for the rifle. lightest 1 person tent those alien fuckers can find on amazon (thats about 10lbs down).
Fill remainder with one lightweight nalgene waterbottle (refillable), one knife + edge straightener, one water filter, set of ultra lightweight insulating clothes, some lightweight footwear. remaining 5 lbs are filled with the highest calorie shelf-stable mush those alien bastards can whip up. one box of 200 matches to top off.

I should be able to live in the lightweight tent and hunt / scavenge for food with the gun / knife. Water is taken care of. the main purpose of the gun is because PNW has grizzlies, I am not gonna fuck with those.

box 2: 5lbs more of water purification crap. a pot, more filters, some matches. I can begin to move off of filter reliability and start to boil my own water. military style cot, tarp, down blankets. knife sharpener (the edge straightener will likely start to have diminishing returns at this point) and replacement knife.

with this I can set up a more all-seasons solution to living there.

box 3: fleshlight, basic supplies similar to box 2, except stuffing all the spare space with food to prepare for winter.

boxes 4-13: food

>>2727038
>80% of the vegs from those seeds have barely any calories
>only one corn type
>"survival"

box 1 basically an alone loadout + some calories + .22 rifle

after that i'd have to think on order but i'd want survival, construction stuff, food production next

survival stuff, like a big metal pot, lots of paracord and rope, big fishing kit, tarps, several water filters + extra filters, lots of plastic bags to store things. lots of multi vitamin bottles.
then remainder of my summer / winter hiking stuff
construction equipment, screws nails, tools, saws to mill lumber.
5 books on both pre and post industrial technology.
6 pistol, rifle, ammo, optics
7 and 8 high calorie foods
9 seeds and farm equipment. foldable shovel, pickaxe
10 solar chargers and batteries

i think it'd be pretty easy if you got all 12 boxes each a week apart. 6 months i don't know there's a fairly decent chance you die early. if you could get to box 2 and 3 you'd be ok.

>>2727014
Well fuck. Honestly I don't think humans would survive, so my goal would be to follow kinship altruism to its logical extreme and try and introduce as many earth species as possible.

I'm thinking grasses, ants, cockroaches, pigeons, black rats, english ivy, roach fish, zebra mussels etc. Just whatever has the best chance to survive. The more earthling DNA gets to propagate, the better :)

>>2734526
Oh, and if I can request anything I want to be in the crates, how about some of the planet's native species, infected with virulent and deadly plagues that will wipe out large parts of the native populations?

>>2727022
35lb is approximately 16kg. Sorry to rain on your parade, but your misunderstanding of the units of measurement that your people came up with has forced the aliens into giving you toddlers - at best.

Depending on your disposition, and what you meant by "I don't like women", you'll either be dismayed or overjoyed.

>>2727014
1 shotgun and bullets, water purifier, sleeping bag, ropes, machete, knife, various vegetable seeds, lighter, nail clipper, fleshlight, penicillin and various medicines, metal pot, soap
2. Winter clothes, tent, sleeping bag, blankets, flash light, batteries, vitamins
3. Tool box, concrete, glass panels,
4. solar panel, a gaming laptop with 600 terabytes of porn stored in external drives, 600 terabytes of pc video games, 600 terabytes of farming, survival, hunting, cooking books,
5. New knife, another gun and more bullets, paper, notepads and pen and pencil filled to the brim
6 more soap and medicine, concrete, bullet proof glass pannels
7 more solar panels, concrete, glass pannels, vinyl wrappings
8 More vegetable seeds and medicine, fertilizer, spear gun, fishing gear
9. Replacement solar pannel, more batteries, replacement wires, replacement laptop
10. Various books with various pictures and diagrams. Filled to the brim
11. More vegetable seeds and fruit saplings, new machete, more bullets
12. The dog robot from boston dynamics
13. New laptop and more porn, more video games, vitamins, more solar panels, wires, lights, etc

My plan is to build a shelter in the first 6 month, get cozy and watch porn and play video games until death.