Bought a mountain bike today. Gonna go riding on some trails tomorrow.

Anyone here mountain bike? Can I get a quick rundown

>>2732492
go from top of mountain to bottom of mountain

>>2732492
Try to avoid rough gear transitions by easying up on pedal strokes while your gear switches
Wear some gloves
Wear a helmet
If you have a full suspension then don't forget you have a ascending and descending mode on your rear shock

Mountain biking never really stuck with me but those are the tips I got

>>2732492
Find a group and ride with em. Don't be embarrassed to get off and push if you need to.

>>2732499
woke bullshit, bottom to top is what real patriots do

>>2732492

to start with you will probably need real pedals. Giant MTB pedals are the cheapest/best if you're really new. /n/ generals are a better resource than /out/

>>2732492
Mountain biking is too vast and we don't know enough about you. Are you an experienced cyclist? are you new to biking? Mountain biking? what intensity of trail

I don't mountain bike but I regularly go off trail with my hybrid bike for pretty big distances. some safety tips
>NEVER brake with left brake (front wheel brake) only. you will fly over the handlebars
>if you are a lefty, consider inversing the brake cables. this helped with me because usually my left hand brakes faster
>wear a helmet

Don't let testosterone push you to go faster than you're comfortable riding.

You're going to wipe out a lot when you start out. Do that first before you start going fast.

Go slow when you do unfamiliar trails. Fallen trees across the trail can guillotine you. Conditions change all the time.

Learn to maintain your own bike. This will save you thousands in the long run.

Don't start on an expensive bike. It's probably going to get stolen anyway. Start small and see if you like it before you go expensive.

Bring some trail mix and water with you so you don't bonk out on the trail in the Summer heat.

If you bought an old bike it'll be a learning curve, if you bought a bike newer than 2015ish it'll be piss easy because the bikes do all of the easy shit for you.

Tubeless tires run em at about 20 psi you really don't need more and it'll give you fuck off hero grip. When I learnt to ride no one ever taught me about low tire pressure I used to run 30+ and I thought I was shit at cornering but no it was just a lack of grip.

Ride natural rooty rough steep shit straight away, don't fall for the learning on flow trails meme that's for boomers, ride the real shit early your bike is capable of doing amazing things let it do it.

More important than anything I've said, watch Ben Cathrows how to bike videos they're very good.

>>2732604
Sorry man I didn't realize this was your faggot safe space where I'm not allowed to make you uncomfortable.

>Sorry man I didn't realize this was your faggot safe space where I'm not allowed to make you uncomfortable.

>>2732604
>>2732606
why are newfag zoomers like this?

>>2732541
>NEVER brake with left brake (front wheel brake) only.
1. US is the only country that has their brakes the wrong way round like this.
2. That's shit advice. You can be doing anything with the rear and a fistful of front can put you over the bars.
OP, the front is what stops you - just learn to use it effectively.
Watch some youtube tutorials.
>>2732594 is honestly the best post so far.

>>2732604
What is a "paragraph" fucknuckle?

>>2732492
>Can I get a quick rundown
Be more specific. We don't know what you're riding or where you're riding it, give us something to work with.

Sorry OP, this just didn't want to link properly. <br>/xs/ picrel

>>2732569
>>2732594
>>2732541
>>2732636
Op here

I bought this bike because it was cheap. Like 350$. I went to several local bikes shops and their cheapest bikes were like 900$.

Someone else told me about tubeless tires and I hope I don't get a flat when I go. That would suck ass.

Not sure how to describe the trails near me. Some are mostly flat and easy some are more mountainus and hard but no rough rocky terrain really. The trails are all really old so they are pretty nice looking and not so treacherous. I'm gonna start on the more flat ones because I haven't exercised in months.

I figure I didn't need a soft tail because the trails aren't that bad looking
>>2732642
I was looking for a mountain bike thread on n and here. I didn't even see that board

>>2732755
That's not a bike, that's a BSO. Forget trying to do any actual mountain biking. The wheels are guaranteed not tubeless compatible.

>>2732541
Keep your butt behind the seat and you should be good.

>>2732755

That is the exact same bike I ride, in the exact color!

It's not a bad starting bike, but you should know that around 600 miles, I had to replace every single part except for the frame.

The frame is still going strong. It's not a bad bike for a beginner. Beginners tend to beat the shit out of their equipment, so you shouldn't start on anything too expensive.

Replacing all of the parts made me realize why people spring for those more expensive bikes. If you buy cheap, you end up having to double the price of the bike on maintenance costs. Nevertheless, it was a learning experience.

> Someone else told me about tubeless tires and I hope I don't get a flat when I go. That would suck ass.
Bro, I would not recommend tubeless tires for a beginner. They are a giant pain in the ass and they're kind of a meme.

> I figure I didn't need a soft tail because the trails aren't that bad looking
Softtails are another meme. In the beginning my tailbone really hurt but in the long run I was glad I rode a hardtail because it helped me fix my riding technique, which eliminated the tailbone pain.

Learn on hardtail, then try a softtail for your second bike if you want to compare them. Hardtail will also reduce your costs and maintenance quite a bit.

>>2732541
Your best bet is to have your dominant hand on the front brake because it's got more control and sensitivity. Your back brake is going to be on/off but your front brake is the one you use more carefully and you might right a whole section with it half on.

>>2732755
You get what you paid for m8, consider second hand decent bikes. You'll hate the sport if you stick to that thing.

>>2732806
>If you buy cheap, you end up having to double the price of the bike on maintenance costs.
Yeah and it's frustrating af too, because nothing is ever quite right - gears grind, shocks are a bit shit, brakes are a bit weak.
Nothing makes someone quit quicker than a combination of the above.
Bearing that in mind I got my son one of these for his first mtb when he was 9.
($NZD shown so maube $60 USD?)
Threw some cheap (Judy Silver) air forks on it, went tubeless and he LOVES mtb. Other parents that skimped out wonder why their kids hate riding.
He's in his teens now, rides $$$$ full sus at an alarming pace, but still often brings this out, it rips on climbs.
See reviews on youtube. And look at the 7 - I got the forks for nothing, the 7 already has them.

>>2732806
>They are a giant pain in the ass and they're kind of a meme.
I don't understand how people get this idea, they're the best thing since rockshox.
Takes no shit 5min a wheel to convert, they don't even need to come off.
No mess, just squirt the goo in through the valve.
Top up every 6mths or so.
Gotta be one hell of a hole to be a problem, torn sidewall or big cut.

>>2732920
A lot of people are complaining that they tend to split like a banana.

As far as I can tell, the gains are minimal at best.

It's way easier to fix tubes if you get a flat while riding. You can just carry a spare tube. Good luck fixing a tubeless trailside, I think your day of riding will be over.

>>2732492
Sand is your enemy.
Check brakes.
Deflate your tires a little to 1.2-1.5 bar.
Watch a couple of videos and technique.

>>2733016
>the gains are minimal at best.
>never getting a flat
lol

>>2732492
I think one of the most important things to learn is good braking. On downhills, using your rear brake will cause you to slide around. Learn good brake control with your front brake, and it'll save you from crashes later on. Maybe just ride around on the flat and see how different braking pressures feel (with the front brake of course). Then just as you ride, focus on mostly using your front brake, and you should get the hang of it quickly.

>>2733096
OP's bike doesn't have brakes, it has slowers.

>>2733096
>>2733110
When you brake only with the back brake it doesn't slow you down that much unless you really pull it, which will cause it to lock up. In order to have maximum slowdown you have to use the front brake. However with the front brake you risk going over the bars. You counter this by keeping your butt behind the seat. This is even more important when going downhill as you are already leaning forward and encouraging the bike to tip. So you really got to get behind the seat and lower your center of gravity.

>>2733121
I mean you have to use both brakes together, back brake only locks up and front brake alone you go over the bars.

OP if you learn anything here, I hope it is "don't ask /out/ about mtb.". <br>Or virtually anything for that matter.

>>2733494
Reddit actually might be a better place for mtb discussion than /out/ lol

>>2732492
Yeah, hike up mountain, then send it down mountain, rinse and repeat.
Best summer activity there is.
Also, throw on tires with strong enough casings, paper thin casings might weigh a bit less, but a puncture can ruin what would otherwise be a really fun ride.
I don't go lighter than double down for Maxxis, or the equivalent with other brands.
Tires are the single most important part of your bike for what you can do with it, assuming the rest isn't walmart tier dogshit of course.

>>2732806
>Bro, I would not recommend tubeless tires for a beginner. They are a giant pain in the ass and they're kind of a meme.
Tubeless or bust, tubes are only for emergencies.
You have to run way higher pressure with tubes to avoid pinch flats, and that sacrifices both grip and comfort.
It's extremely easy to set up on anything with modern rims.
Just tape up, fit a valve and slap on a tire with some goo, and you are good to go.


Virtual Reality

Anonymous

https://vrch.at/3dqt5b2a<br>Pretending to be outside with highly regarded individuals.


Why do you like nature more than people?

>>2732652
Because modern (mainstream, consumerist and sexually depraved) society does not represent my values and ceased representing them long ago. I have accepted that I cannot find reasonable common ground with people who subscribe to such a lifestyle, and I find it hard to be around them.

I find normalcy and peace in nature and with people who enjoy nature.

>>2732652
Forests give me clean air, clean water food and shelter--what has society done for me lately?
>>2732657
Most of them don't actually think this at all...which is why they're insufferable and myopic.

>>2732652
People disappoint me, nature doesn't

>>2732652
I like people, just not all. There are a handful of cool people I know whom I enjoy talking to in real life, but most don't get quite well with me. Nature is amazing no matter what

>>2732652
Because nature is more natural than modern humans, and going against everything that is natural ruins you mentally and physically. Remove this concrete Hell and let me die by a snake bite already.

>>2732763
Ancient humans lived till they were 30 and their teeth rotted out of they died of some horrid shit. The modern world is what means you can enjoy the outdoors instead of just suffering in It. You definitely own and use a bunch of modern tools and gear to help you enjoy the outdoors.

>>2732652
Every time I organize a group camp, people bail. No matter how many camps I do, nature always shows up.

>>2732763
>Remove this concrete
,,,bethe,moving.,
,BLM land is FREEEEEEE!,for 14 days.,,,after 14 days the poop circle is toosmall!,
,,,,,,sidenote> HUMMINGBIRD FIGHT!!!orisit?sexytime?,
,,,op?whynot Love both?

Nature is the constant, the unchanging, and pretty much the default form of existence. We as humans like to take control, and change the world we live in, but by doing that we make it complicated, confusing and obtuse.

It doesn't matter who you are, where you're at, and what you have or what you don't have, you can always return to that constant as it lies underneath the facade of society we've built. I think its no surprise that people who've never experienced the constant let alone established a relationship with it are unhinged neurotic messes.

>>2732845
how old was Diogenes when he died?

>>2732707
I disappoint people, nature doesn't care.

>>2732652
Have you ever been around people dude?? Theyre god awful.

>>2732845
I had rather die at 30 as a free man, than live to 80 as a (((slave))).

>>2732845
>Ancient humans lived till they were 30
Ancient humans lived longer, it’s just that the extremely high infant mortality rate pushed the average year of death down.
>their teeth rotted out
Most of them had better teeth than an average modern person because they were eating natural foods and not ultra processed sugar goyslop.
>of they died of some horrid shit
Good thing that doesn’t happen anymore, right?

>>2732763
>>2733446
Go move to Afghanistan. You can live your dream of stepping in a dirty puddle and dying horribly.

>>2733590
Pulled up and put em on clutch

>>2732652

because nature brings me peace and makes me alive. Its also quiet. And farther I am from people, the more I can see the stars. And I really like stars. People are loud, I find them annoying, and they commit crimes a lot which I don't like. I happen to think big cities are a crime against humanity and the natural world if Im honest

>>2733485
all of this is correct. There's no real evidence that people simply spontaneously died around 30 as if it were old age for them.

>>2732652
People are often loud, overbearing, and only seem to be getting angrier and more on-edge. I often feel like I don't fit in or that there isn't a place for me in most social spaces. Even in the company of kind, generous folk who I might otherwise enjoy I often feel like I'm intruding, infringing, or otherwise inconveniencing them in some way. Probably my own insecurities bleeding through. Guess that's something I need to work on and make peace with.

Nature doesn't impose any of these feelings upon me. I feel that, in some sense, I'm meant to be there. I feel comfortable and without pressure to present myself a certain way. Both cities and nature are teeming with life; with the former, it's very in-your-face and you're forced to partake. With the latter, it's vibrant and lush, but just barely perceptible beneath the surface.

>>2733485
>they lived longer
>except for the ones that didn't
>but those don't count
Should have left that point off, kek

>>2732845
this anon is right
we live in the best time as long as you stay out of the big cities

>>2733590
just scam welfare and neetbux instead of doing your retarded ass suggestion you dumb bitch.

>>2732652
Nature is uncaring but people are malicious.


>>2732595
help it. you are like a god to it. take 2 seconds to throw it into a better place.

>>2732608
for a bro earthworm definitely. for a leech or funnel web who are both often in this situation, let em rot I says

>>2732609
if it can hurt you, you are not a god to it and no longer required to act honorably ;)

>>2732611
that's very poignant anon and I agree. thank you for that, you are rarely ever poignant.

i love worms so much, i save every one i see

>>2732595
Eat it. You think you just gon leave it down there? Huh?

>>2732595
I've found at least one worm on the sidewalk that was still alive, but dried up and almost dead. All it took to revive it was to pour a little water on it, and I could release it into some nearby dirt. Felt nice to do that :)

>>2732595
Put it in my urethra. As God intended

if you cut it in half doesn't it become two worms

>>2733077

Worms aren't bugs you fuckin idiot MOROn

>>2734127
idid,,sciencestuff,,cut planaria into 6 parts,,eyes,body,tail halves.,
,,then grow them back to whole and test whathey remember?, eyes remember lightricks,,body remembers food tricks,,,tail?>dumb.,did remembershock tricks.,
,,,flatworms,,,can learnto!


Anyone else collect bones?

>>2732718
no i have maxxed out how many animal ghosts i want in my house (10) anymore than that and shit starts to get real crazy

I collect bones and put them in my compost.

Bone anon

>>2732744
Did you not see the Fibula and other assorted bones?

Anonymous

didnt know people actually kept bones, found this poor guy and took some pics, didnt even want to touch it desu

>>2732792
Yea but the antler should be in the antler room, not the bone room.


>>2733334
what a stupid fuckin movie
>can't tie knots
>improper use of equipment
>wrong equipment for the application
>no emergency/contingency plans

The Way Back(2010)
As Far as My Feet Will Carry Me (2001)
The Snow Walker(2003)
Dr Zhivago(1965)[too an extent]

All similar movies that I enjoy when I’m in that mood.

>>2733362
>>what are we teaching our keeds
That men are stronger and more capable than women.

>>2733362
It's a Wes Anderson film, don't expect anything smart out of it

>>2733334
Shite movie. Feel embarrassed about ya post.

>>2733334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZQ<wbr>dYvVXaug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlf<wbr>JcU3nnl8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emo<wbr>0uffHltk
Three of the best out movies form the 70s

>>2733398
Two more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGp<wbr>9u56FJKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjA<wbr>i5ER5FOU

>>2733404
>>2733398
U must be a boomer with those recommendations. I’ve only heard of one of those, thanks

>>2733385
It still pisses me off that they normalized making camp fires, i guess it was different back then. It should be absolutely illegal now during the summer at least. Wayyy too many forest fires now due to global warming and things being drier now. The risk isnt worth it and normalfags are too retarded to be responsible with it.

>>2733460
depenz where you live. generally places like New England and the Specific Northwest have minimal or even negligible fire danger, and most of the deep South and Southeast. West and Southwest of course is a nachtmare, and almost everywhere in Australia

>>2733337
>get lost near a stream
>choose not to follow it until they find something
Pure lack of basic skills, just like /out/!

>>2733460
Lol. What a stupid useless faggot you are.

>>2733443
Gen x, just hit 55 this year. So, which one have you heard of? The first two you should check out are Jeremiah Johnson, and sorcerer. The Black Stallion and The Earthling are more kid originated. The Man Who Would Be King is colonial advantage by ways of Rudyard Kipling. two retired sergeants head to a mystical kingdom north of Afghanistan to loot and pillage.

Deliverance
Lawrence of Arabia
Fellowship of the Ring

Hell In The End
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kji<wbr>vEm8vxg8
I love this movie.
Deliverance is also good.

A Walk In The Woods is really comfy, and it also has an annoying gearfag character

The Eight Mountains is a good recent one

-The Hunter (2011)
A hunter (Willem Dafoe) must find an elusive Tasmanian Tiger, thought to be extinct in the uninhabited forests of Tasmania, Australia.
-Wolf Creek (2005)
Some tourists go into the deserts of Australia and meet a weird gentleman who invites them for some authentic outback fun.
-The Tunnel (2011) if you like urb ex
A reporter decides to investigate the network of sewers and world war 2 bunkers underneath Sydney, Australia.
-The Proposition (2005)
A western about a reformed criminal who must save his little brother from the noose by hunting down his older brother, who is a notorious outlaw hiding in the outback.
-A Boy and His Dog (1975)
A boy scavenges the wastelands with his psychic dog in search of food and women.
-Stalker (1979)
A man familiar with the lands of the strange exclusion zone is hired to escort two gentlemen to a place said to be able to grant wishes, if only they can make it there through the supernatural anomalies...
I rate all of these films as good. Enjoy!

The Ghost and the Darkness (1996) poster.jpg

>>2733362
>>2733460
shut the fuck up already

>>2733362
>"not to be a flaming homosexual but"
>followed by the most homosexual post about how men shouldn't be portrayed as strong and responsible so the girl they're with can have a more carefree experience
Ask me how I know you're still single.

>>2733443
You can tell he’s old because he just dropped a bunch of links instead of listing them like a normal person:

Drama Movie A
(link to Drama Movie A)

Buddy Comedy Haha film
(Link to Buddy Comedy Haha film)

Action Movie from 1972
(Link to Actuon Movie from 1972)

>>2734027
this kek
>Ask me how I know you're still single.
no matter how much you want to whine about it why don't want a soft bitch

>>2734041
But they are good trailers to good movies.

Gunga Din(1939) is a also a great out movie. It even got black face, what more do you want?

>>2734220
Before I forget The Naked Prey(1966)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myd<wbr>c8K7yaZI

Jeremiah Johnson (mtn man kino)
The Hunter (aus/nz kino)
The Edge (Alaska kino)
Insomnia (Alaska cop kino)
Hostiles (American west kino)
Breaker Morant (african veldt kino - picrel)
The Hunted (pnw kino)
Last of the Mohicans (french n injun war outdoor kino)
Seraphim Falls (American west kino)
My Side of the Mountain (canuck outdoor kid kino)
The Ritual (sweden forest horror kino)

How has Into the Wild not been mentioned yet?

>>2734301
because mccan'tless was a soicuck faggot moron and anything concerning him should be forgotten

>>2734301
>REEEEEEEEEE
That's why. Autistic shut-ins find the story extremely triggering.

>>2733962
This movie sucked ass and it was solely made to pander to boomers.
Also that fucking REI commercial starring Nick Offerman was really off-putting

>>2733962
Watched the Redford movie, total shit. Figured it was because it was adapted from the book. Turns out the book is even worse.

>>2734342
>>2734349
It was basically a youtube series with a hollywood budget and professional actors. Not enough happening to warrant writing a book or making a movie about.
I didn't hate it but I kept asking myself "why does this need to exist" when any outdoor youtuber with a drone and a bit of charisma would do a better job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFa<wbr>L03SKEzE
One of my favourite films of all time
I've seen it 7 times now and it never gets old
>DERSU!
>CAPITAN!
>>2733335
I love this film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQo<wbr>NhRN9CiI

>>2734430
Some other good films include
>The Revenant
>Bone Tomahawk
>The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert
>True Grit (2010)
>Fires on the Plains
>>2734244
Breaker Morant is my favourite Australian film
I don't know why it's so underrated today
I remember enjoying the Ritual a lot

>>2734398
I watched a video that was sixty one-second clips of a woman doing the AT start to finish, and it was a significantly better experience

>>2733334
The original conan was surprisingly /out/ even if that wasn't the focus

how has no one mentioned lord of the flies yet

>>2734580
Because it's a shit book and a shit movie.


Its not fair, bros. I just want to go fishing and I can't breathe because all the fucking pollen in the air making me sneeze like crazy and making me sound like charlie from smiling friends.

>>2732730
just stop having bad genetics lmao skill issue

>>2732736
this worked for me, i thought about it really hard and plugged my nose and blew as hard as i could until i heard a loud pop in my ears and now i have no allergies

>>2732730
Conor McGregor can do it. You don't. Now take a coffee break and by that he means bring him his coffee

>>2732745
Gooby is a bum midget
I'd beat him

>>2732730
see if you can find some honey that's made from local farms, eating it can help with allergies from pollen in your area

I dont get it, trees and pollen have been around for millions of years and you show up and make a big deal about it


I'm looking to learn a thing or two about vacuum sealing food for camping trips. I have a friend going on a camping trip soon, and I want to make her some tasty food (and to stroke my own ego as a chef)

Any tips on where to start? What to avoid? Warning signs if a vacuum packed omelette is about to explode?

>>2733519
Things still need to be refrigerated, so don’t bother with that omelette unless you are car camping with a cooler.

You can get smaller foil packs that are heat sealable, but you have to use a small hack to get them to vacuum...just cut a small strip of the normal bumpy vacuum seal bags and leave it near the edge about to be sealed, the bumpy part lets the air pass out and makes the vacuum work.

Those little foil packs are good for packaging your own homemade energy bars using fig or date or dried berries as a base.

>>2733529
Oh yeah, they'll be storing everything in coolers, and the meals would be pre-cooked and frozen.

I am a little concerned that the ice may pierce the sealed bags, but I don't know how likely that actually is since I'm a little out of my element here.


Cooking tips

I went on my first long camp, 4 nights. I cooked using pic related, I'd buy some meat and fry it, then boil some rice or noodles and mix it together. Cooking the meat seems to take a really long time. Burgers would appear cooked on the outside but inside would be raw. Sausages, I'd have to cut into small pieces and that would still take a while. If I turned up the heat, it would just burn the outside and still leave the middle raw. Best thing was thin steak slices, that was easy. So what am I getting wrong here, is it just what happens when you cook outside? I've never found it taking this long with bbqs.

>>2734028
Get a carbon steel pan with a lid. Try to keep the lid on it the entire time you're cooking so you don't lose all your heat to a slight breeze.

>>2734028
Those little backpacking stoves like that are really only good for boiling water. The flame doesn't spread enough and it doesn't put out enough btus for a big skillet like that. If you are car camping, which it seems like you might be since your talking about taking raw meat, then you might want to look into one of those Coleman dual burner stoves. They're like 50 bucks and work great. Also you can get a butane stove that caterers use for about the same price that put out even more btus. Pros cook on them. If you are intent on cooking meat on a skillet out on trail look into those larger mountaineering type stoves with the big alcohol canister. They put out more btus than the little one in your picture but the flame will still be pretty small.

>>2734028
If you're already building a campfire, start learning the art of foil dinners.

>>2734038
I'm camping on a bike, I can take a reasonable amount of weight but don't have much physical space.

>>2734055
Yeah you wouldn't want one of the bulkier stoves then. Your options are upgrade your stove to a whisperlite which is about twice the size of your current stove, or learn to cook on the fire.

>>2734062
I need to get something where the flame sits on the ground anyway, it's a bit haphazard with this on campsites where you can't just dig a hole to place it in. Maybe there's something a bit bigger but not too large. I use a Stanley pot for boiling water and that is no problem, it's only slightly wider than the gas can though.


Does anyone in out use geograph.org, afaik it has no American equivalent but for the British isles and germany it's one of the more interesting resources

I don't know of any, but good threads deserve a bump.

>>2734389
I use it but I'm not an admin of the site or anything


Good outdoor video game thread

>What is UnReal World?

UnReal World, or UrW, is a unique graphical roguelike RPG taking place in the Far North long, long ago. It brings you a realistic game world rich with historical atmosphere in which northern folklore, knowledge and way of life play an important part. The atmosphere and game features are highly original and compelling. The world of the game is based on the ancient Finland in the late Iron Age.
Throughout the years, UnReal World has been praised for its depth, realism, atmosphere and immersion.

As a member of one of nine different cultures you'll enter a very realistic and enchanting game world:

- find excitement in surviving everyday life and the quest for success in the harsh ancient wilderness
- play freely or complete various game tasks in a huge randomly generated world
- skill-based system including dozens of skills from cookery to hideworking
- keep in touch with the indigenous spirit world and the supernatural guardians of nature
- packed with intuitive graphics and pictures, original music and sounds

There are infinite ways to play the game; as a fisherman, a hermit searching for peace, a brave adventurer, a rough hunter, a trapper or a tradesman etc. Everything is up to you.

Personally I just like to divide my time between actually being out in the forest, and pretending to be out in the forest with the aid of 1990s video game graphics :)

http://www.gamespy.com/articles/517<wbr>/517647p1.html

https://www.unrealworld.fi/

They definitely thought of everything but sadly I can't cope with the "turn based" gameplay.

Mobile games because you can play them on a phone you actually took outdoors.

>>2734515
Has to be Rust.

Starting off naked and alone, with just a rock and a torch. You have to find food and create some simple tools while evading other players who will kill you. You find a nice thick patch of forest, or maybe a hidden outcropping from a cliffside, and you build a shelter. You put down your sleeping bag as a respawn point, and go out into a post-apocolyptic world to fend for yourself.

It hits you right in the "hunter-gatherer" part of the brain. Best waste of time I've found in years.


This guy deserves some praise

Stumbled across this YT channel of a guy from Florida who documented his solo hike/camp across the country from florida to California and apparently 3 years ago started one from seattle to florida but haven't seen an update in years.

But his first walk is fully documented. A guy with his camera and backpack and videos with only a few hundred views.

https://www.youtube.com/@willswalki<wbr>ngwest7267/videos

I feel sad this channel wasn't discovered. I want to try this one day:
https://youtu.be/QOP0yG836y0?si=9SQ<wbr>QIS1J6R4-QZGL

>>2734601
Thanks for this, i was looking for more outdoors content

>>2734644
I'm really thinking about walking America. I think I have enough saved for it and figure why not go for it.


What is the average price for good quality boots?

>>2733727
For what?

General workwear steel toed boots: $150-300

General hikers with mid-height ankle support: $250-450

Hardcore mountaineering boots: +$700

Tactical/tacticool boots for LARPing: $120-300

Waterproofness and materials will dictate majority of the cost, brand will have a lesser effect these days. LOWA and North Face still make the best all around hikers IMO, and SCARPA is king for mountaineering.

These are Canadian dollars btw, convert at your own risk.

>>2733738
>North Face
Are they actually still decent? I thought they were just athleisure for finance wankers now?

>>2733755
No they're one of the few brands that achieved "mainstream" success and also kept their quality standards high. I've got more than a dozen North Face products from 20 years ago til last year and they all hold up well.

I've been using a Bigshot for +15 years and the only damage is one of the mesh water bottle holders. I had a metal bottle with a sharp edge in there and it ground a little hold through it from sitting on rocks over the years.

My main hikers are NorthFace Jannu GTX II and they've got +10 years of heavy use, still waterproof and the leather hasn't worn out anywhere.

>>2733727
I don't care much for apes, monkeys and chimps. But orangutan's, they resonate with my soul.


EDC

They ban EDC threads on pol so this is my every day carry. Since it is sort of outdoors activity.

Why are all the Mexican children that post on /pol/ so intent on ruining the rest of this website?

>>2734527
There's already an active EDC thread.
>>2719184
You're either a bot or you need to lurk more.

>>2734538
>expecting a /pol/nigger to read
It's a lost cause, give it up anon


Absolutely mogs every national park...<br>I love it here bros, wife's family has an island in the high peaks, and we only live an hour away from the park

>>2734756
For sure. Adirondack Park has real mountains and real wilderness.

>>2734718
>Moggs
Ask me how I know you're 15

>when the bait is so lazy that nobody responds to it
Better luck next time, I guess.


Mid-Cut vs. High-Cut Boots

Which one is the ultimate pair of boots for out?

I'm deciding between Alpina's Tundra model: https://www.lamnia.com/en/p/19054/a<wbr>pparel-and-footwear/alpina-tundra-4<wbr>6

Or its Trapper model: https://www.lamnia.com/en/p/19021/a<wbr>pparel-and-footwear/alpina-trapper-<wbr>boots

Stop ruining your feet with this crap, wear sandals, if only because it's one of the few places where it's socially acceptable to do so

>>2730547
I got out of the Army Reserves in 2022. I do a lot of shooting and hiking. I'm no expert, but best I've found is both.
>breathability
>maneuverability
I use trail running shoes. Lighter weight. Better for running.
>water resistance
>ankle support
I use hiking shoes. The greater the concern for rolling your ankles, the higher you want the boots to go. Heavy, you want to shop right so your feet don't sweat too much. Have your sock game on point. Works best for me, I don't know if the answer is suitable to you.

>>2730653
As a jack of all trades regarding versatility of use, plus Grayman factor, mid-cut or high-cut?

I own the Trappers but they are big and heavy, will switching them with the Tundras sacrifice anything significant?

Please check OP links.

>>2730547
How should I determine the correct size for my combat boots? One finger behind the heel when toes are in front? How about width? I received a pair of boots that I ordered online and now I will have to decide whether I'll keep them or return them to the store.

>>2730908
Next time try them on in the shop before you look for a deal online.
Then if you like them order a couple more pairs because you won’t be able to find the same again next time.
Wait more than a couple of days though - I have 3 pairs of the same shoe, they’re as uncomfortable as they appear to be indestructible. Oh well, something to wear around town I guess.

>>2731887
My inner gopnik needs one more stripe

>>2730547
Only advantage of high-cut boots is that the water gets harder in if you are hiking in a stream.

For the past 3-4 years I've had a air of Salomon Men's Quest 4s, or GTX. Or something idk they look like this. They're harder to get on and off than other boots but have held up great for me, other than a bit of wear they're as good as they've ever been. I'd recommend them.

I've never used a pair of hiking/running shoes. I don't know about you guys but shoes don't last.

>>2730547
what is your out? if it's hiking more than 3 miles, your picks are dogshit.

If it's just stomping around the woods and shooting guns into trash, both are decent.

For me, it's the Oboz Sawtooth II. Can't say I have any complaints. They were my first hiking boot and have been doing me well in all my excursions. They take a real good beating, too. They come in waterproof and non-waterproof varieties as well.

>>2731942
>I don't like your choice of footwear
>no, I won't explain why
>no, I won't suggest alternatives
Opinion discarded

>>2730663
>Grayman factor
The fuck is this gay shit, just wear vans or something.
Nobody will know you are a tacticool retard larper if you wear regular hiking shoes or boots.
Holy shit you are a faggot.

>>2730663
>gray man
the state of this board

>>2732241
doesnt that just mean halfway between white and black in skin tone?
>verification not required

>>2730663
There's one R too many in your "grayman".

>>2730908
Oh no, the clueless wop faggot again.

High-Cut has ankle support, you won't hurt it as easily when carrying large loads in terrain.

When I'm traveling light I might not use shoes at all though

>>2732247
Grey man is a meme from /k/
It's the consept of dressing so normal that you won't be seen, and can easily hide in crowds, like urban camo

>>2732264
It was hilarious when youtubers started doing "grayman EDC loadout" shit, and every last one of them thought it meant "everything I wear must be gray".

>>2731988
unironically chacos. best /out/ sandals ever.

>>2730547
should I wear mid-cut boots if i'm going to area with a lot of vipers?

>>2732346
The common viper is not really dangerous.

>>2732347
i was thinking of horned viper. i'll probably see common european viper too, but i'm not so afraid of them

>>2732620
Named after Saucony Creek Pennsylvania. One of the oldest American shoe companies still in production. Owned by Wolverine at the moment.

>>2732629
You are suppose to say saucon deeznuts

>>2732633
Oh. Saucon-deez-nuts, faaaaaaag!

>>2730547
why do people keep asking about shoes?
It depends entirely on individual preference and conditions.
Wear whatever's comfortable OP, nobody can help you but you.

>>2730547
boots are for low exertion winter activities or mountaineering and nothing else

>>2730547
Mid most of the time, high for swamplands and deep snow, low for hard terrain.
>inb4 ankle support
You need ankle support with extremely high loads (think military rucks at full capacity), but in tough terrain, being able to bend your ankles so the sole can grip the terrain properly is much more important. Same reason freeclimbers don't wear mountain boots.

>>2731981
you are a fat, I can smell it from here.

>>2730547
I'd recommend avoiding any shoe that has any sort of foam sandwiched between the upper, and the sole.From my personal experience,the foam loses it's density rather quickly,if you carry any substantial weight.I've destroyed many a shoe,while carrying 100 lbs for short distances a couple of times.The foam becomes damaged,leaving you with a mushy feeling shoe,that increases foot fatigue.

Bought myself some nice Hanwag Tashi made of Yak leather

>>2734844
>only the only shoe that conquered europe
lemme guess, you need more faggot


I'm looking for a GPS device that will track my hikes. There is a lot of federal land around where I live and I would like to go on day trips out into the woods to take photos, but I'm terrified of getting lost as there aren't any signage or really any marked trails. But after doing some googling, I can't seem to figure out what the feature would be called or what to look for.

I'd like to have the GPS remember my path and record my position at intervals, so if I get turned around I can retrace my steps. Can anyone tell me what I'm looking for or even better give me some device recommendations.

I'm not sure about handheld units, but the Garmin Instinct watch has built in GPS with a back to start feature that will retrace you along your path in, or give you a linear direction back to your start point. You can also drop GPS waypoints with custom labels and symbols directly on the watch and view/edit them on more detailed maps using the app. I assume any of their handheld units would have similar features.

>>2732791
Thanks for that, I guess for Garmin it's called "TracBack" and it's available on several handheld models. But now that you mention it a watch may actually be more useful and less in the way than a handheld device when taking photos. I will think about it.

>>2732793
I've had mine for 3.5 years and love it. I got the solar tactical version for better battery life and muh "tacticul black color" Great for hikes, biking, running, etc. Fully waterproof, dustproof, and highly durable with a $10 screen protector off Amazon. I use the GPS waypoints a lot hunting to mark treestands, scrapes, etc. and have found it very easy to select those points later and navigate back to them in the dark, with very high accuracy even in low reception areas.

I run an eTrex 22x almost exclusively for datalogging.
Keeping my phone on and recording with caltopo saps the battery, especially in the cold.
I'll pretrip with CalTopo, have it shit out a handful of key tracks/waypoints and squirt that into my eTrex. But i'm not usually "actively" navigating with the etrex.

Real nice to have waypoints with gate codes right on the GPS; as I ride up to a gate the code is right there. And when you get offroad or onto some of the private property/ranches/old FS roads that aren't well mapped, having a track for "the way" is nice to have. Doublecheck that i'm actually going the right direction and not on a spur road.

lol, captcha kysf

>>2732789
What's wrong with using your phone?

>>2732856
The thread lasted as long as it could. RIP

>>2732789
Get the Big Garmin, you wont regret it. (Montana)

If you need a satphone built in the garmin 67 series is your bet.

>>2732799
what kind of bike do you have? I really want to get into adventure riding.

>>2732789
garmin foretrex. small, light, has all the features you describe without gps maps meaning no subscription (you should print a map either way if its that serious), insane battery life, was above 80% battery at the end of a 5 day mountaineering trip where it was below freezing daily.

>>2732862
I'm entirely convinced these anti-phone posters are paid by Garmin. A phone won't replace satellite comms but it's the best GPS solution by far.

>>2732891
iphone 14 and later literally has sat comms in an emergency
>he's just realizing these are paid Garmin shills

>>2732856
It eats up battery too fast.
I also don't understand how Garmin became the gold standard, was it the hardware? The UI is atrocious, you know you're bad at your job when freetard software like OsmAnd does it better.

>>2732789
Just mark some trees along your way

>>2732856
I want a dedicated device, my phone is old and the battery doesn't last nearly as long as it used too and plus I use it for music/audiobooks while I'm out doing photography, so having a separate device with a separate battery makes me feel more secure. Plus I am worried it will lose GPS signal or something, it drops signal while driving around on roads, so I don't trust it if shit goes sideways in the middle of nowhere.

>>2732862
I had to go to work.

>>2732799
Yeah I was looking at the eTrex 22 as it seemed to be what I needed and isn't crazy expensive.
>But i'm not usually "actively" navigating with the etrex.
This is the use-case I was imagining. I would just turn on the tracking and put it in my camera bag just in case I need it, I wouldn't be actively using it for anything, it's just a safety net since I won't have any cell signal to call someone if I get lost.

>>2732791
>Garmin Instinct
Yeah bro, I just got the solar version and it's fucking sweet.
Got it just to track fitness (I can overlay altitude and heartrate along a route and compare rides as per pic. Blue is a slider, red HR, pink ALT)
I made this up as an example because I've managed to lock myself out of the online app and cbf sorting it out just now.
Anyway....
Battery for days. Weeks even.
Unbelievably simple to use the watch after an hour or so fiddling.
Also rolled the dice and got if off Ali, and 100% genuine arrived, brand new, just not original packaging. Fuck knows how this works, but it's about 30% of one from the shop here.
Garmin online recognises it as their product, updates etc etc. Fucking winner.
Synchs in a few seconds to my wireless speed and cadence sensors and I can follow it all on Strava too - stoked.
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/11<wbr>03682210?spm=a2g0o.order_detail.ord<wbr>er_detail_item.1.4200f19cJWiVbX

Get a used Pixel, slap lineageos on it, put osmand on it, use ADB to delete all the other apps that would otherwise distract you and/or drain your battery (they come back if you factory reset).<br>You're welcome.

>>2732862
I think the Cellphone spammers are pajeets paid by alltrails to shit up GPS threads.

>>2732892
Only a complete moron would ever buy an apple product.

>>2732870
KTM 1190 Adv R.
I also have a 525 enduro, much smaller (less than half the weight) bike.

The 1190's great, i've got a lot of work into it (suspension, regearing, and protection (skid plate, side stand relocate, crash bar reinforcement, subframe reinforcement)) to make it more dirt-capable. It's still a 600+lb motorcycle, with more power than anything on dirt should have. Breaks traction real easy, 1st gear is still too high in technical terrain, and if you're not at speed it'll overheat pretty quick.

The 525's a cheater bike compared to the 1190. It's still got plenty of power, but it's a lot more controllable and forgiving when you're abusing it offroad. I've got a lot of years riding dirt bikes/enduro/dualsport, so the 1190 wasn't too much of a jump for me and I knew what I needed to do to it to make it into what I wanted it for.

If it's your first bike, I'd recommend a dirt bike/dualsport first. Learn the fundamentals of riding offroad, and learn on something that's not gonna cost a fortune to repair. Dirt bikes crash pretty well.
If you're dead set on something adventurey, might look at the 790/890 class. They're still gonna be heavy offroad, but they'll do it a little more gracefully than a liter+ bike will.

I've done 300+ mile days on the 525 before. It's a lot, and you have virtually zero wind protection on the highway which wears you out quickly. I can do 300+ on the 1190 and while it's still a good day, it eats the miles a lot more comfortably at the expense of offroad performance.

Spent a while last night getting Garmin Connect and watch to play nice with Strava.
Woke up today, stoked for an epic ride in the mountains - a few hrs up, a few minutes down.
Got to the start of the track.
Right, I'll just start tracking the ride from - GODDAMMIT!
Took my watch off when I had a shower.
>just use your phone bro
Fuck phones, I don't own one.

>>2732913
>>2732925
I used to share the opinion that a standalone device was better until I got a couple backup batteries. For emergencies in the car or while /out/ it makes sense anyway and they weigh just as much as a standalone device, but are cheaper. Gaia's pretty great.

>>2732791
instinct owner here. If you're going to rely on it like that, bring a way to keep the watch charged.

>>2733143
Thanks for the thoughts, im bouncing between a klr650 or dr650 for my motocamping setup.

>>2733930
Both are good, I had the dr, did like 30,000km of touring on it and it was tight. Super simple and easy to work on, spare parts available in the shittest of shitholes. Definitely don't get a litre bike like that tard. The power is entirely wasted off road and the 650s have heaps on the highway anyway. Also if you drop a litre bike on your leg it's going to be a real bad day. Even with a regular drop it's a dog to pick up, especially in soft sand/mud or on a bad angle. Not to mention parts are retarded expensive.

Get yourself a good set of panniers too, I had a mosko moto pair and they were awesome but a bit pricey.

>>2734403
Getting lost on a motorbike is still getting lost. It's being lost but going faster, yet still being lost.

>>2734419
I just wanted to throw Adventure Bike Lite into the mix.
Anything over 400cc is a bastard to deal with unless you're going flat out on a gravel road or across a desert

>>2733930
Klr650 for touring, you can pack it like a mule but it is heavy, if doing majority trail rides they suggest a lighter more agile bike like a ktm 300

>>2732789
My advice is to get something above the etrex 20x. I have the Gpsmap 65s, and it is noticeably faster UI-wise. If you plot routes and navigate after them a lot, it will save your sanity. I've had two etrex-devices in the past. Unfortunately I've lost both of them. One without noticing while going off trail and one I dropped while getting water from a dam. So if the device you are getting does not have it as standard, get a cabine-snap-hook attachment to avoid being an idiot like me.

I also recommend getting some openstreetmap-based maps for your device. I think all the Garmin devices support them these days, and they are usually more detailed and better in my opinion. Contour-lines are usually possible to get also. Plus, free updates of course. Check https://garmin.opentopomap.org/

Also, get some NiMH-batteries and bring spares if your are out for several days in a row. That way you can make sure to have newly charged batteries every trip. Good luck!

>>2733511
A phone and a 20mah powerbank lets me ride for 4-5 days between recharges. A phone, a garmin and a 20mah powerbank lets me ride for 2 weeks. The weight would triple if I tried to replace the GPS with extra batteries.


>>2723263
if you don't mind drinking phthalates, then yes

>>2723263
They have a reputation for clogging more often than the Squeeze.

>>2723270
if price is not an issue what's the proffered filtration method?

>>2723263
yes but just get the squeeze its not that big. regularly backflush it and it'll last you forever.

>>2723277
A Sawyer Squeeze or a Katafyn Beefree have better reviews. I’ve used a Squeeze for years with no issues. My preferred method is Aquamira but it’s not a very popular choice.

>>2723268
Do you want everything bad removed? Water to taste like bottled water even if drawn from sludge?

The buy a a FirstNeed Elite from General Ecology. Once you own one of thesr, you are loyal to it. Best purified water you can get: https://generalecology.com/product/<wbr>first-need-xl-elite/

t. 25 years user 6/7 continents

>>2723263
>no carbon filter to block at least some of the chemicals
>the "up to 100,000 gallons" claim without any actual studies to back it up
No, it's not a good filter if you want to camp more than once a year. Lifestraw is a healthier choice, but it's not what ultralight youtubers and influencers advertise.

>>2724027
>source? Source?!
>I need a source
>SOURCE??!?
lol

>lifestraw
LMAO

>>2724032
>>I need a source
>>SOURCE??!?
>lol
If you don't care about things like that, why won't you buy a no-name, made in china water filter? It will be 10 times cheaper.

>>2724027
inb4 everyone on this board only goes to untouched mountain wilderness where agricultural runoff is not an issue

>>2723887
This is an excellent purifier and one of only a few viable ones rated for a lot of chemical and metal contaminates. Excellent choice for questionable water sources.

>>2724038
Disagree. NA has many locations where you have both good water-quality info and hundreds or thousands of test cases. For many hiking areas, it is sufficient as long as your not drinking purposely out of sewage.

>>2724036
Ok, how about providing some kind of study showing the effectiveness of a Lifestraw? I’m pretty sure Sawyer has some info on its stuff.

I really don’t care, and think both of you guys are faggits.

>>2724042
>faggits
Rude. OP asks for opinions about his water filter and there was literally nothing wrong with pointing out issues with it or with offering an alternative you mongol.

>study showing the effectiveness of a Lifestraw
sure, np.: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2<wbr>631/0778/files/Peak_Evidence_Dossie<wbr>r_Straw.pdf?v=1691688819
Pic related.

Good filters are also made by SAGAN, but I have no personal experiences with them:
>study about bacteria and viruses:
https://www.kellykettle.com/nletter<wbr>/PDF/Sagan-DuraFlo-Water-Filter-700<wbr>-Gallons-Bacteria-Cryptosporidium-5<wbr>50-Gallons-Virus-Challenge-BCS.pdf
>study about chemicals, like chlorine:
https://www.kellykettle.com/nletter<wbr>/PDF/Sagan-DuraFlo-POOL-550-Chlorin<wbr>e-Copper-removal-study-BCS.pdf

>>2724042
>I’m pretty sure Sawyer has some info on its stuff.
Pics or didn't happen.
I've been searching for it for a while and couldn't find anything.

>>2724027
I work in an industry tangentially related to materials science. The rating on these filters is determined by a recognized guideline, either ASTM D6908 or ISO 20468. I know as a matter of fact that Sawyer contracts their testing through BCS, North Florida (whom I work closely with).

Their claim of filter efficacy and life is based on that testing. Lifestraw tests their filters by one of those standards as well, and probably contracts it to a company like BCS (ostensibly; as a large company they’d catch hell for not testing to a recognized standard practice). That’s where the claims come from. You can probably find the test results in their websites.

>just use a Lifestraw
Lifestraw is a brand, but we have to assume you’re talking about their most popular product. It has a worse flow rate, much shorter lifespan (1,000 gallons), and a filter that’s only half as effective as a Sawyer Squeeze (.2 microns vs .1 microns). Why recommend it?

>>2724048
https://assets-global.website-files<wbr>.com/61549f9352f3558157a226ea/65b90<wbr>ce044b6c36111bee817_Sawyer%20122822<wbr>%20Squeeze%20Microbial%20Filtration<wbr>%20Efficacy%20Testing%20BCS2212370-<wbr>71%2C%202301019.pdf

NTA
Took three seconds to google “sawyer mini test results”

>>2724056
Yeah, and if you've spend 3 more seconds actually reading it, you'd see there's nothing about bacteria, viruses or when exactly were those tests concluded: did they test it on a brand new filters? After filtering 1000 gallons? After 100,000 gallons (like advertised)? We don't know.
There was plenty about speed of water flow, ph, hardness and what not, I'll give you that, but it's not transparent at all how used those filters were before being tested.

>>2724054
>You can probably find the test results in their websites.
Except I couldn't.

>Why recommend it?
Because not everyone has inside knowledge in the industry, like you claim to have (shocking, I know).

>>2723263
>Faster flowing with the lighter, softer pouch
So have they upgraded from the old pouches?
>Is this a good water filter?
I'd assume just about any filter from Katadyn, Sawyer, MSR or other reputable brand should be fine. I find it hard to believe that it'll actually filter up to 100 000 gallons but with regural maintenance (backflushing in field and more thorough cleaning at home) people have gotten several years out of their filters.
Also if you want to extend the lifetime of your primary filter, then use a sediment filter (or run it trough a bandana, coffee filter or something) to prefilter the water before running it trough your main filter.
>>2724048
You could try emailing them.

>>2724062
Sure I could e-mail them, but why trust a company that isn't very transparent about this stuff in the first place? There are better alternatives

>use same Sawyer Squeeze for years
>pretty normal conditions; not a crisp mountain stream but not trying to filter mud puddles
>getting a little slow, probably just a little clogged from years of use
>flush it when I get home
>sanitize with a bleach and water solution
>working great

>sudden illness in the family
>have to limit everything to day hikes for several months
>filter chills out in the closet with the rest of my stuff
>finally head out for a weekend trip
>whip out the filter and water bag
>filter 99% clogged, tiny trickle coming out

When I got home I looked up the manufacturers instructions for maintenance. Sure enough there’s an article on how to clean, sanitize, and store a filter. I was just going by shit I’d read on forums, but it was the same as the website.

Nowhere does anyone say shit about using distilled water. I searched and found a few people who had the same issue. The best guess is that municipal water supplies are so hard that calcium deposits start growing and aren’t flushed out with use, so they clog the filter.

>>2724068
>id they test it on a brand new filters? After filtering 1000 gallons? After 100,000 gallons (like advertised)? We don't know.

>>2724070
>there’s nothing about bacteria
There is. Explain yourself. You were given the link, and looked it over. How could you have missed that?

>>2724070
>We don’t know [when they performed the test]
We do.

Now explain why you recommended the Lifestraw

>>2724072
>initial performance
And that proves it will be a good filter after 1000 or 100,000 gallons how exactly?

>>2724054
>Why recommend it?
Because it has a carbon filter, that's also where the lifespan comes from. Read, nigga, read.

>>2724074
>testing of used material
Non-standard practice, though not unheard of.

The Lifestraw is less effective and has a worse flow rate. Not to mention its size makes it incompatible with SmartWater bottles. You still haven’t stated why you recommend it.

>>2724067
this was my issue. i used a 50/50 mix of hot (not boiling) distilled water and vinegar. worked like brand new again. when i get back from trips, i back flush with distilled. night before i leave, i soak 50/50 vinegar distilled. no more problems since.

>>2724070
They run these tests on brand new filters, because it would be nearby impossible to control the tests with used up filters. The minerals in water are way different in different places. How much sediment is getting in to the filter etc. The same filter that works well after 1000 litres in one place may get gunked up from just 100 litres at another place.
>>2724074
The way these Sawyer filters work is that they have very miniscule pores in the fibres that let the water trough. Even if the filter gets dirty from all the gunk, it should still never be able to let the nasties trough because the pores are not getting any larger from use. They just get stuff stuck in them. Meanwhile the activated carbon purifiers themselves keep on letting water trough even when they loose their effectiveness.

>>2724082
>Non-standard practice
Company that goes beyond standards to provide a healthy product is better than one that does not.
And a company that makes claims about being great even after 100,000 gallons, without proving they've actually tested it, isn't as trustworthy as company promising you only 1000 gallons, but actually showing tests they did.

Also having a carbon filter is nice (as I've already mentioned in the first post). I think having one is more important than having a high flow rate.

>>2724087
>They run these tests on brand new filters, because it would be nearby impossible to control the tests with used up filters.
Somehow Lifestraw and Sagan managed to do just that. Seems like either skill issue or an attempt to hide how good or bad Sayer filters actually are.

>the pores are not getting any larger from use
They could get damaged through use and get bigger, if materials they used were subpar.

>>2724082
It’s a larper. Only someone who’s never used a Lifestraw would think this is a good idea.

>>2724093
Wrong and wrong again. There are lifestraw filters designed to work with nalgene bottles for example.

Screenshot 2024-04-24 at 16-14-06 LIFESTRAW Universal Kompatybilny Filtr Wody 4000L.png

>>2724095
>I meant this other kind of Lifestraw and not the ubiquitous flagship model that’s also a genericization that literally everyone knows and associates with the name
Oh ok

>>2724095
>still using Nalgenes
>”I’m not brand fucking new to this I swear”

>>2724100
>he never camped during winter
>calls other larpers
are Sewyer jews paying you to shill for them?

>>2724101
>using nalgenes during winter
>not using a steel bottle
bros, why are the larpers stuck in the 2000's?

>>2724101
>winter
It’s April, and most of the year isn’t winter.

>>2724095
>this sport cap is a great choice for sub-freezing temps
Doesn’t it freeze? I know my Nalgene bottles frog up, and I’ve had the tops get a little icy, and that’s only in Alabama “winters.” Wouldn’t a little sport cap like that get totally frozen?

>>2724100
This, everyone knows that the canteen that you get issued during your conscription service in the Finnish Defence Forces is the true patricians choice.

>>2724092
>if materials they used were subpar
Sawyer published this study about the strength of the hollow fibres they use in their filters.
https://assets-global.website-files<wbr>.com/61549f9352f3558157a226ea/61549<wbr>f9352f3551ea4a2334e_Sawyer-Hollow-F<wbr>iber-Filter-Strength-Test-2018-with<wbr>-Cover-Page.pdf

>>2724087
Materials tests as part of product QC are always done on new items for that exact reason. Testing done on used items shows the condition of that one particular item.

>>2723263
I've never used the squeeze or micro, but I have a sawyer mini that I've been using to filter water on camping trips. It seems to do it's job. Several multi day trips, Several gallons of water I've drank, it tastes good, I've never gotten sick. So anecdotally it works. But I'm also filtering quickly moving creek or river water, not standing water.

>>2724116
10 years later I can still taste that shit.

>yes, I do claim that my water filters last for hundreds of thousands of gallons of water
>no, I won't conduct any studies proving that; test showing that brand new filters work is more than enough
based

>>2724116
That's a Casio clasp isn't it son

>>2723263
I mean if it gets rid of Protozoa and ecoli id say it works great! Chemicals and other stuff won’t kill your (quickly at least) however giardia could in a couple of days depending how dehydrated you are.

I personally use a grayl, little bit more bulky and it only holds 700ml water internal, but it filters quick and I’ve used it on literal muddy creek water with deer shit nearby and had no issues (if anything it tasted better than tap water) however it’s bulky and people often complain about that.

>>2724093
Lifestraws are great when you have water nearby, but how the fuck you going to transfer it to a container? They work great if you’re sleeping next to a cleanish body of water but if you’ve ever used a life straw you’ll know that you will be spending a fair amount of time sucking.

Sawyer squeeze is infinitely better because you can transfer it rather quickly to a secondary container or bladder

>>2724859
>you will be spending a fair amount of time sucking
I don't see how's that a bad thing

>>2724857
I've been looking at the grayl myself. how useful would it be to fill a water bladder?

>>2724973
Well, for that you'd need to remove the bladder from the carrier. Otherwise it shouldn't be too complicated. With a Katadyn Hiker Pro you could pump the water straight in to the bladder via the same hose you drink out of, without having the need to remove the bladder from the carrier.

Bumperino for the water filtration thread

>>2723329
> Katafyn Beefree
I considering buying the same because reviews are alright. Has anyone here used it or some of its equivalents?

I've used mine once. It tasted good and I wasn't sick. So yeah.

>>2726998
I bought one after seeing an acquaintance use one. Huge improvement over the Sawyer I had in terms of how quickly you can filter water and how easy it is to clean

>>2723887
Ok but do I need this to filter giardia out of an alpine stream? $80 replacement filter, and I thought Katadyn was a rip-off

>>2727411
There are cheaper and smaller filters, such as the katadyn befree or sawyer squeeze (whatever size you prefer). I am considering buying the katadyn befree, looks like a neat little filtration system.

>>2726998
I swear by the Platypus Quickdraw. I'm thoroughly convinced that Sawyer pays to have its product claimed to be "#1" so that it can inflate its prices. The Quickdraw is priced at half the price of a Squeeze and performs just as well if not better, especially in terms of flowrate.

>>2727411
Unless you plan on drinking water with chemicals, toxins or heavy metals that need to be neutralized with activated charcoal, any of the micro pore filters should do. They will filter out giardia as well as any other water born bacteria.

katadyn befree has exposed micropore tubes. These tubes are delicate. I'd be concerned with them becoming damaged and allowing unfiltered water through without you knowing until you're shitting your pants

>>2728435
They aren't that exposed, you can't touch nor tamper them. How would they get damaged from regural use?

>>2729121
They look pretty exposed and easy to damage to me. Accidentally drop it in gravel at the creek or somewhere a twig or something can get in there. I just think it looks easy to damage to me. Feel free to disagree.

>>2727517
>Unless you plan on drinking water with chemicals, toxins or heavy metals that need to be neutralized with activated charcoal..
yeah no, the thing about life straws are, you don't really plan on fucking using them and when you do, you certainly don't have the privledge of deciding how clean the puddle you're drinking out of is. Go be a retard somewhere else.

>>2729329
People in this thread claim they use them as their primary water treatment.

>>2729329
You're the retard, what point are you even arguing?

>>2729123
The perforated part goes inside a water bottle. The only time you could cram a stick through the holes is when you're refilling.
The real drawback of these types of filters is that freezing reduces their efficacy with no indication that it's happened. Still better than the alternatives.

>>2729329
>the thing about life straws are, you don't really plan on fucking using them.
Yeah, some of us actually do. I plan my hiking and camping trips around using my sawyer. I don't bring water with me. I also don't drink out of fucking puddles. We're talking about general /out/ not post apocalypse/SHTF bug out. Go LARP about that somewhere else. If you go out somewhere that your main source of water is puddles....where the fuck even would that be...then plan for that and bring your heavy ass, expensive charcoal filter. You play how you want to, But don't try and tell me that I have to plan on drinking from puddles when I'm on a fucking river.

>>2729366
So you walk around drinking with a life straw without needing to, and calling ME the LARPer? uh-huh bud whatever you say. Let me guess, European?

>>2729374
carry a couple ounce filter...carry several pounds of warer. Dude, you're an idiot, just stop

>>2729375
So you're too weak to carry a few kg of water into the bush. Thanks for confirming you're European

>>2729375
oh also
>there's always water wherever I go
You Euroz don't truly go /out/.

>>2729381
1 gal water 8lbs, 5 days of water 40lbs. Thanks retard /in/ confirmed

>>2729385
I have no problem hauling 40lbs of water on my back, do you?

>>2729387
I would love to see you haul 40 lbs of water and another 40lbs of gear 10 miles a day. /in/ confirmed

>>2729388
I'd haul it 20 miles a day and I wouldn't even drink any. you're a pussy

>>2729388
NTA, but that's pretty much how we did it during my conscription on the week long reconnaissance exercises if we did not get supply caches or usable water sources in the operation areas.

>>2729388
You can just say you haven't been in the military anon, being a civilian isn't stigmatized

>>2723263
No. The Sawyer mini is much better, despite being cheaper. I use both, since the mini won't fit into my minimal hiking pack (basically a canteen pouch with a side pocket).
- The mini has more flow through, at least with mine.
- The mini is safer. On the mini, the center part that you grip is recessed. That way, droplets of (possibly contaminated) water get caught on the rim and don't make it into the clean water. On the micro, they drop straight down.

Generally though, going by stats, the sawyer are by far the best pocket filters on the market, and performance wise, they're sufficient unless you're drinking form a source that's chemically contaminated.

>>2729382
>you're not /out/ unless you're in the desert
Shouldn't you be smuggling some mexicans?

>>2727480
ive had quickdraw, befree and the squeeze. ive done all the manu steps to backflush and maintain all of them. the squeeze just werks and faster. plus the squeeze has .1 micro filtration as opposed to the quickdraws .3

>>2723263
Do these filters deal with stagnant, muddy water OK? Am in a very swampy area, no fast-moving water let alone rivers of note.

>>2729776
With proper backflushing/maintenance they should be okay. Katadyn Hiker pro has a removable filter protector that you can clean with the provided sponge in order to prolonge the life of the cartridge. If you prefer to run a bit cleaner water trough your filter, you can prefilter the water with a water filter bag first and then run it trough a dedicated filter.
Picrel is sold by helikon-tex and costs about 11€, fits 3 litres and takes some time to run the water trough. It can be used for only removing mud and sediment from the water. Running the water trough that and boiling it afterwards gives you clean enough water for consumption, as long as there won't be chemicals or heavy metals in the water. Originally used by British troops during WW2.

Using a filter bag and a hollow fibre filter feels a bit redundant to me and I wouldn't carry one but I am posting about it because I wanted to tell you about some options.

>>2730128
Thanks anon, prefiltering sounds like the way to go for me.

>>2724027
Don't have a problem with either brand (I carry both) but I highly doubt Lifestraw & Sawyers claims about its good for 4000 litres & up to 100,000 gallons. Must be pretty clean water sources their testing, not real world back country testing.
Funny how there all made & tested in China though.

>>2730128
>Originally used by British troops during WW2
Got issued one of these when in Aus army, never used it in 10 years of service. I own the one in pircel also, the issued one I had was just called a Milbank filter, it was made of a heavy duty thick canvas material, a lot more durable than pircel.

>>2724082
The new Lifestraw peaks are compatible with smartwater bottles, I'm impressed with the peak collapsible squeeze 1Ls modularity I bought afew months ago. Filters tiny though (not sure if thats a red flag), always good to carry a back up to my sawyer squeeze just in case.

>>2730399
4000 litres is possible. My sawyer mini is somewhere around 3000 now (VERY rough estimate) and still working fine. Had to backwash it dozens of times already though. I doubt I'll ever be able to verify the 400k litres lifetime, though

Do people really run their cooking water trough a filter? I mean I get it if the water itself is muddy and full of visible crap, but otherwise clear water doesn't need any excessive filtration other than maybe running trough a cloth to get rid of the sticks etc. That is since you are going to boil it for several minutes anyways for the food.
Boiling actually kills more than what you'd achieve with filtering trough a hollow fibre filter. For example, your typical hollow fibre filters are never stopping the viruses but the viruses die from heat anyways.
I personally only filter the water that I want to drink cold, I never bother with filtering if the water looks fine and I am boiling it for preparing my rice or pastas.

>>2730851
no reason not to double it up with a filter and boiling

I tested my lifestraw by drinking out of a really filthy puddle in the forest, and I didn't get sick. tasted kinda weird though

I'm interested in exploring abandoned mining structures (not the mines themselves, I'm not THAT suicidal). If I'm going to drink the water in the area I'll need something that can remove chemical contaminants like heavy metals. any reasonably priced options?

I guess this is the relevant thread to ask in, but are filters even a necessary bit of kit? I would think of you have access to flowing water then you can just grab some from the top and then boil/purify it without any concern for particulates. A little bit of dirt never hurt anyone anyways

>>2731135
If you want to build up a fire every time you need to fill your water bottles then sure, rely on boiling.

>>2724027
>chemicals are in the water where you go "out"
kid this board should be reserved for people who actually go outdoors, not to paid tailgating spots with paved parking lots and power hookups

>>2731443
Yeah, they're fine. Filters work out cheaper in the long run but it's not like anyone is bankrupting themselves buying aquatabs.
Some tablets leave a chemical taste in the water and they're obviously not going to do anything about particulates in the water (but filtering through a bandanna is usually enough for that anyway).
Only major downside to purification tablets is that most of them are ineffective against cryptosporidium (or if they do work against crypto they require a 4h treatment time). On the other hand, filters don't generally work against viruses. In most areas crypto is a bigger threat than viruses but t b h you'll probably be fine with either.

What steps are required to prevent these filters,themselves,from becoming bacterial breeding grounds? I'm a little sketched out about carrying around a filter full of crud.Is there some sort of sterilization procedure recommended for any of these? Do they ever get moldy?

>>2733255
FirstNeed Purifier instructs to draw a little bleach/water up the intake and outflow for lengthy storage. Otherwise, use alone jettisons any nasty debris. Just squirt the first issue into your source water and screw on the water bottle.

>>2733255
Mold and bacteria require moisture and some sort of nutrient to grow and multiply. If you back flush them and then shake out any remaining water, you shouldn't have enough of either for them to multiply. You can run a light bleach solution through it if you're that concerned. I'm not sure if that will effect the life though(I don't see how it would).

>>2724027
Lol, sawyer has been tested even by dumbnuts like you, turns out their claim is fine.

>>2734005
>missing the part about a carbon filter
Are you really that dumb or are you just pretending for the sake of bait-posting?

>>2723887
I also am a First Need Chad but come on the regular Sawyer, not the micro that OP posted, is a pretty good water filter for half the price and definitely easier to use.

>>2733770
Sawyer itself recommends to flush the filter with diluted bleach solution after the season is over. https://www.sawyer.com/blog/section<wbr>-hiker-how-to-clean-sanitize-and-st<wbr>ore-a-water-filter-in-the-off-seaso<wbr>n