Okay, I'm done coping. Even ignorning muh mountains, the west still has an overall better aesthetic than the east.

We don't think so. The western US is just a giant stretch of brown dirt. We can always visit a local construction project to see the same views and then go innawoods near us to enjoy the lush greenery and bright colors of our woodlands, wetlands, water bodies and meadows. Sux to be you.

>>2729942
>enjoy the lush greenery and bright colors of our woodlands, wetlands, water bodies and meadows
Where? Every "forest" here looks like pic related because normalfags are too scared of fire or cutting down a few trees.

The thing with the west is that the climate and soil type naturally favors the creation of woodland and savanna. In the east it has to be constantly managed because it will always try to turn into a shitty overgrown forest.

>>2729944
>naturally favors the creation of woodland
meant to type meadows here

>>2729942
>The western US is just a giant stretch of brown dirt.

That is called a rain shadow. And it exists east of the mountains (Cascades and Sierra) that go along the western coast.

West of their rain shadow is very wet and very green, at least north of the Sacramento valley.

>>2729936
the Atlantic is mean and I prefer it that way

https://youtu.be/IDqN6uD6pOs?si=WV9<wbr>IaEeO8GG4G7Ts

Any Washingtonfags here? I’ve been thinking of moving from NW part of the state (skagit valley) to east of the mountains, maybe Okanogan county or even all the way to Pend oreille.

I like em both a lot. the main thing that the East wins is with the dense forests, damn near jungles. I miss swinging on vines and yelling like Tarzan, when I was a kid. I don't miss the poison ivy and the ticks/leeches/mosquitoes

>>2729936
>then go innawoods near us to enjoy the lush greenery and bright colors of our woodlands, wetlands, water bodies and meadows.
>the entire West is a desert
that guy lol

>>2729936
> I'm done coping.
You're not even from the east. You're just the westfag that constantly makes these bait threads. Nobody cares about your California-transplant-in-Colorado-t<wbr>ourist-suburb-ass Jose. Stop shitting up the board.

>>2732997
>said the entire west is desert and climate change is caused by beavers and jewish loggers guy and only my acre of decidious trees matters/

lol


Best Food for Living in Car / Innawoods

Anonymous

Lost my job and planning on living out of my car and camping places for at least 6-12 months since I haven't done that in many years now. I haven't really been homeless before but it's my next option currently so my funds are going to be kinda limited.

What are going to be the best and least expensive ways to sustain myself with food? I've never lived like this before so I'm wondering what all of the "oh shit"'s might be before I encounter them. In what areas might it be realistic to live off of the land, simply from fishing rivers or foraging? I don't plan on attempting full "survival" mode but I'd like to be out there as long as I can on as little as I can. Any good things to know or experiences are appreciated.

>>2730045
well, seeing as you're asking for advice on fishing & foraging, without saying where your area / climate, i'm going to assume you live in the shanty towns of brazil
so first, i'd recommend buying a gun from your local drug dealer, you'll have to contest with a lot of gangs as you fish the corpses out of the drainage slumps, as fish like to gather around the corpses, so you'll have a lot of luck finding them that way
for plants, people like to grow a lot of cassava in their gardens, so just rummage around them, but try not to get caught, or they'll cut off your hands
good luck anon, its a tough world out there

I think a person would have a chance in a lightly populated area of the southeastern USA fishing around the freshwater rivers and intercoastal waterway.
 A small fishing boat and using campsites that are only assessable by small boat would be good. The only thing is insects would drive you crazy. You would have to live under a bug net for many months of the year.
 I think I could make a go of it in the low country area around the SC / Georgia border.

>this thread again
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you're going to suffer greatly no matter what and there's no way around it. The most tragic part is that this is the reality for millions of people living in otherwise prosperous wealthy developed countries all around the world (especially in the US). The people of this world have been so brutally subjugated and humiliated that they are no longer even capable of resisting their oppressors in any meaningful way whatsoever, and on top of that, they aren't even worthy of empathy. Just the fact that you're posting this here instead of just going back and living with a relative speaks volumes.
The best advice you might get at this point would be to sell everything you own and join one of those christian cults who lives in the woods, but you won't do it.

>>2730045
>What are going to be the best and least expensive ways to sustain myself with food?
Rice and beans, supplemented by whatever you can catch or hunt. Always keep a budget to buy cheap fruit, and take note of where you can find blackberries. Onions and garlic are cheap and really liven up a meal. Treat yourself to some spices, salt and pepper if you can. It'll still be a pretty miserable experience, living mostly off rice and beans, but it'll make it ever so slightly better.
>In what areas might it be realistic to live off of the land, simply from fishing rivers or foraging?
None. Sorry. You're going to get nutritional deficiencies one way or another if you go for self-sufficiency.

>>2730045
I would "forage" by applying for SNAP (food stamps) and finding out where the local soup kitchens are. Between those 2 you can eat pretty well as long as you're not supporting someone else.

>>2730045
>>2730157
Some other stuff while I'm thinking of it (I speak from personal experience):
- Sleeping in your car really only works during the summer; it's basically a heat sink (steel & aluminum clad in plastic). During all other seasons, they wick off your heat unless you've got the heater going (burns fuel, bad for someone w/o cash) and trap condensation (big red flag for cops). Plus unless you've got an SUV they're really not comfortable to sleep in. Camping (legal or stealth) is better.
- "Career" homeless (IE those who actively mooch the system instead of seeking work) are to be avoided. There are always exceptions, but on the whole they're the biggest drama queens on the planet (like hanging out with children). They will suck you into their petty bullshit. Do not let them.
- WASH YOUR ASS! If you stink, you scream the word "bum" to everyone downwind. If you keep yourself clean, you blend. Blending is good. Homeless shelters are an option, but are also filled with other homeless people (see above). Didn't have the option myself, but gym/ymca memberships sound like a reasonable idea. Same thing goes for clothes, obviously.
- A mailing address is a must (though it might not seem obvious; if you happen to gain employment, you need one to actually get paid). Shelters will generally let you use theirs; churches might be another option.
- Above all else; don't give up! Take things one day at a time. You WILL get through it.

We don't know where OP is, and so can only offer general advice.<br>Good luck, sir.

>>2730045
keep eating those poke berries and all of your troubles will be behind you anon.

Buy proper mason jars like Ball or similar, keep oats, nuts, dried fruit, and jerky to store in them. Roaches and other insects do find their way into vehicles if you don't store food properly and plastic clip tubs aren't sealed well enough to keep smells sealed.

If you can afford it, and have a vehicle with the room for it, car fridges are great for storing perishables, cheese, meats, milk, etc. Worth keeping them as full as you can and buying things frozen to keep energy use down, but ideally you'll be able to get a separate battery to run the fridge from so you don't wake up without a starter, it is possible to set voltage limits but they're not always reliable.

Shop at food banks, and keep an eye out for Sihk and Hare Krishna temples for free meals.

Hunting and foraging will be area dependent so that's something you'll have to figure out, but talking to locals who enjoy those hobbies would be a good idea.

>>2730045
>Living in Car / Innawoods
You mean homeless?

>>2730045
Just kill yourself, fucking loser.

>>2730045
build an alcohol stove (designs on internet, costs nothing) it's safer in enclosed spaces than anything else
heat up stuff in cans (open 1/4 way on both sides so it doesn't explode)

>>2730045
Pretty sure those are elderberries. Very nice.

>>2730230
Those are elderberries, retard. Hope you become homeless too

>>2730684
raw elderberries will kill you as quickly as pokeberries... But keep trying. Enjoy your homelessness.

>he doesn’t know ripe elderberries are safe to eat

>>2730147
A man can live off potatoes and onions for a long time. Supplement with meat and bell peppers (vit c) and there ya go.


>light hiking through the forest
>notice that tree roots conveniently form little steps wherever the path goes downhill or uphill
Is this intelligent design? Are trees trying to accomodate us? Do they like being stepped on?

>>2730189
It's soil erosion, anon. That's why plants are so important in preventing it, they keep the soil in place using their roots. Otherwise the rain washes it away.

>>2730189
>>2730191
Also keep in mind that trails are more “designed” than you may believe. Sometimes even entire features are uprooted and replanted according to the plans when building a trail


ScaT Identification

Hello, I’d like help identifying this scat. It was bigger than coyote poop. I think it’s bear poop. I’m not sure what else it could be because of how big it was. About the size of a big dogs poop. I’m in the piedmont region on the east coast of the US. Thanks!

I'm a bear hunting guide on the east coast. It does not look like black bear scat but I would have to taste it to be sure.

>>2730256
there are other things between dog size and bear size. like bobcats


BUILD YOUR OWN CAVE

honestly might be a good idea if you area has soft rock like limestone, around here it's all fuck hard granite or something so it would be much harder

I have a little rockhouse on my property that I have thought about excavating a little with a pickaxe and making a little hidey hole or place to store shit. The rock is super punky sandstone and I'd be afraid it would just collapse on me if I started to excavate it.


is european buckthron further evidence that europeans ruin everything they touch?

Europeans love walkability. Right is so much better. Left = car culture<br>right = public transit

>>2732388
>likening public transit users to invasive species
I like you.

>>2730336
North America looks nothing like when the euro-trash started coming here en-masse in the 1700s.
The entire west coast of the US should have 600-1000 year old trees and they not only cut all of them down, they refuse to ever let most of them grow back.

The entire midwest used to be loosely packed beaver dams and wetlands and during the western expansion that was all leveled for farms and hundreds of millions of beavers were turned into hats.


you vill mow ze lawn
you vill plant ze grass
you vill discard the clipping in a garbage bag
and you vill be happy

>>2730976
as soon as the weather clears up a bit, i'm tilling up the front yard, burying the irrigation, and planting a grass/clover mix.

I fuckin hate mowing. But I want my house to look decent too.

>>2730976
>grass + clover masterrace
Compost your clippings.

>>2731202
Pretty much this.I leave them on the lawn,but I make a second pass to disperse any clumps.Also,mulch your leaves into the lawn in the fall.My yard was a sparse mess of weeds and sand when I first purchased my home,but it's slowly beginning to resemble a lawn without the use of herbicides or fertilizers.

>>2731204
>My yard was a sparse mess of weeds and sand when I first purchased my home,but it's slowly beginning to resemble a lawn without the use of herbicides or fertilizers.
Same. My lawn was completely paved over when I started out. Tore it out only to find a layer of sand on top of a layer of clay. I took a pitchfork to it to mix it up, then added a layer of acceptable topsoil.

Three years down the line now, I have a lawn lined with little (grafted) pear and apple trees and a small wildflower patch. Couldn't be happier.

>>2730976
I planted that shit! Fuck grass! grass is a soil eater and water hog, if you try keeping ti green year round. I've never understood the desire for a monoculture lawn. I actively try and add clovers, vetches and the like to my lawn. No fertilizers, less water, much softer to walk on!

>>2730976
You know what would be cool.
An entire lawn of creeping thyme.

Imagine how good it would smell when the wind blows.

>>2731907
Herb lawns in general sound really cool. If I were in a warmer climate I'd try to make lawns out of all kinds of things. Do you think a basil lawn could reseed itself reliably if you stopped mowing when flowers appeared?

>>2731907
Creeping thyme could maybe be OK. Perennial Peanut could maybe work. But both of those are non native same way most landscaping grass is.

Creeping Phlox is good for some areas here and there, but look grass lawns are ubiquitous for a reason. A well kept grass lawn is ideal, fairly low maintenance, beautiful when kept correctly, good for high traffic, uniform, etc. It's the best option.

I get people want to be different and all but the best thing you can do is keep a nice well kept grass lawn and then go in with native specimen hardwoods and then layer some flowering understory trees in below them. Then do beds along borders and fences and fill them with native perennials and shrubs as you please. If you have space beyond the yard harrow it up and spread a native wildflower/grasses mix for your region.

I keep a manicured lawn around the house with native hardwoods and a few natibe lines here and there. Native understory shrubs and trees underneath and alomg fencerows I make rectangular English style hedge squares from dwarf yaupon hollies and then inside of the rectangles I make raised beds with native perennials. Crossvine on the fences.

Beyond the yard I'll pick a few little paddocks and pastures here and and let the red sorrel and toadflax come in on its own in early spring- it's beautiful. But once It plays out by about mid april- I mow it and start fighting the Bahia Grass all summer with the rotary mower. I'm a big fan of Southern Sugar Maple as an undersea native landscaping tree (if you are in the South east).

Anyways- you MUST mow and spray if you have sizeable areas you are working with, things will simply get out of hand if you don't. knowing when and how to time it and having some restraint is the key.

>>2733731
Underused* native landscaping tree.

very tempted to go about, transplanting kudzu into suburbia.

>>2733731
lunatic boomers insistent on growing worthless tareshit

>>2733762
That would be awesome. If lemon balm doesn't work for you then you could try lemon catnip. It has a very strong lemon smell while it's fresh so cats don't like it very much until it's had time to dry and lose most of its lemon scent.

>>2733731
Grass takes more water to keep green than a lot of alternatives. Yarrow and clover are two classic examples of lawns that need less water and I've found that mugwort is a good addition to lawns, but I don't think it can grow dense enough to form a lawn by itself.

>>2733863
Water is not a huge concern of mine. I got 4.5 inches in the last four days. Anyways, I've messed around with alot of alternatives, the closest to hitting the mark is Perennial Peanut. However it is inferior to a good grass. Nothing will stay as uniform as this with as little work. No irrigation, high traffic, shade and full sun. Nothing gets close.

Anyways it goes without saying that natives will always be preferable to non natives, however, if I'm already making the sacrifice to have a non native grass why add clover to the mix? Sorrel etc. will grow in it naturally anyways and thicken it up.

If I want to put a ground cover down around the base of trees or in some beds I'll go with the creeping phlox or villas or something but they aren't a replacement they can't take the foot traffic.

>>2733890
Now like I said outside of the immediate yard I let it go. The natives keep themselves in check for the winter. For the first month and a half of spring you get this really nice coverage of toadflax and sorrel like in the pic (which was from some time in april). By about the start of May though it begins to play-out and you have to mow it.

If you mow back the sorrel a bit early might pick up a week or two of dandelions, blue eyed grass, primrose, and vervian- and some asters in places, but eventually the Bahia is going to start dominating and it will go to seed every three days or so and will get out of hand fast and you just have to keep mowing it back. You get stuck with a choice between the Bahia getting out of control or mowing back the asters/vervian/primrose. Also if you don't eventually mow you are going to get brambles, greenbriar, persimmons seedlings, live oaks, water oaks, red cedars, cherry, etc. popping up in places you don't really want them. Obviously other regions will be different though.

>>2733890
Also when I refer to sorrel thickening up the grass I'm talking about yellow wood sorrel not the red sorrel. The red sorrel is obviously totally different. The yellow wood sorrel when mowed though will stay low and grow like a ground cover down in the grass

>>2730976
I have bermuda now because it stays green in summer and fills in. However, it jumps and digs and now I have bermuda grass everywhere. It still looks good on the lawn.

>>2733894
Here's what you get if you sparingly mow the Bahia and natives a half dozen times or so every year. It's pretty but this is like waist high in the pic so you don't want it in your yard.

>>2733901
For comparison, this is predominantly native grasses (not much bahia) now if you just let this go some places would stay more or less like that and others would get wooly over time but generally areas will eventually grow up into brush if not mowed occasionally.

>>2730976
clover seed costs 2-3x what fescue seed costs.


Czech M85 Backpack

How does the Czech M85 fair for camping? <br>(And how does military surplus gear fair in general)

>>2731069
Substandard. You can get better fitting, better wearing options.

>>2731070
Any other surplus options you recommend?

>>2731074
Dutch
Why surplus and not civilian market?

>>2731069
military surplus is most often lowest bidder trash
i like the jackets/parkas and field shirts but only because they are extremely cheap and made to last for decades, most civilian jackets/parkas/shirts at the same price point are made of very thin fabrics with shoddy seams and they tear easily after only a few weeks
other good surplus shit is the underwear, socks, shovels

regarding surplus pants they are usually very boxy with no adjustment, so i just buy a high quality pair of "civilian" pants for outdoors and use that for years, the surplus jackets/parkas normally have good adjustment with drawstrings, buttons and velcro

>>2731093
>no adjustment
Do you mean a belt?

>>2731083
Because I wanna larp as a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. in the woods

>>2731091
>military surplus is most often lowest bidder trash
not the commie stuff, most of it (boots and jackets especially) will outlive the memory of everyone you know

The US Army ACU UCP camouflage gear is widely available since the US Army discontinued its use and it is cheap because most people do not like the camo pattern.
 Military surplus sites have 65 liter packs as well as smaller raid packs and web gear available at very good prices. I paid about $60 for the UCP ACU 65 liter surplus pack and see civilian gear that usually costs in excess of $400.
The military gear will be well made with heavy duty materials. It will be heavier than most civilian gear.
 I buy the US Army UCP ACU and dye it to help it blend in better to the area of Appalachia I live in. Hobby Lobby has green textile dyes that work well.
 Picrel has for reference an M1981 Alice pack in woodland camo, a MarPat magazine shingle, A British Disruptive camo pattern pack cover and a ACU UCP 65 liter pack and a ACU UCP raid pack I dyed.
 You can see on the 65 liter pack a portion of the pack I was not able to get into the dye bath so it shows the US Army ACU UCP pattern as it originally is
 It is a personal decision but I like finding good deals on military surplus items.

>>2731069
>85
lol
vz85 was pure trash and it's only positive is that it's waterproof (it's rubber duh)
but if you really want it make sure it has straps because it does not have them by default. also the straps suck because they are a part of the whole webbing bullshit so you also need some sort of a belt for them to work (unless you do some hackjob and use pliers to make it "work").
 85 was just ""modernized"" version of the old vz60 and it never got any use since commies fell and czechoslovakia broke couple years later
as a sidenote the whole vz85 set is ass because it was made solely as a peacekeeping uniform and to be as "neutral as possible". so for example the uniform doesn't even have the infrared coating the old 1960's uniforms had lmao
although the vz85 coat is pretty neat and stalker-y


alps fauna

Europe isn't known for it's dangerous fauna and predators, but in the Alps there are bears, wolves and foxes, and also boars in the pre alps, I don't know much about them but I want to learn more.

I'm about to go to the admaello national park in the alps for a 2day outing and i got the (irrational?) fear of getting jumped by a pack of wolves or a nigger bear while i sleep.
I'll be between 1800m (start) and 2800m(end)

ITT we discuss the topic of predators and dangerous animals in the alps, where they are, how to prepare, defend yourself, and avoid them.

"23th April 2023 a youngster that was running on a trail in the woods was killed by a female bear near the town of Caldes"

"estimated population for 2020 is around 100" (bears)

>>2730730
sorry I brain farted it was the "5th of April" and the guy was 26

I've read both bears and wolves prefer wooded areas, the place I'm going to is barren just rocks and grass so it feels better, anyway we'll see.<br>how do Americans/canadians/Scandinavians/R<wbr>ussians deal with these fuckers when out?

>>2730732
From what I've seen they leave the food and smelly stuff far outside their tents for the night so that a bear eats their food rather than them, overall they prepare the camp so that it won't attract bears.

Also guns of course, and pepper spray.

>>2730944
id bring a 10mm or 308, but according to my state laws i dont have the right to defend my life and will be punished if I do so.

yeah I've seen them hanging the bear food bags, and also clap while hiking, I did it today

Deeokahn

>>2730717
Dude be careful and carry bear spray!
A conservation program reintorduced brown bears in that area, taking them from slovenia.
There have been attacks and even one dead guy who was jogging on a trail there, the first lethal bear attack in a century.

I was told by an hiker there are also wolves somewhere around here, don't remember where though, I'm a stoner.

Good luck!

Anonymous

>>2730717
>>2731023
>taking them from slovenia.
are there bears and wolves in slovenian alps? i was thinking of visiting grintovec and triglav

your fear is irrational. the only reason you get attacked by a bear while asleep is because you didnt store your food properly, and no just leaving it far from your tent is not enough, and still teaches the bear to look for human food. hanging should only be done on a tree with at least a 10ft limb 20 ft up, so requires a decent amount of cord. the safest thing for yourself and the bears is to just use a bear can

>>2730717
Learn how to affix a knife to a sturdy straight branch, making a small spear. 10 minutes of handywork creates a weapon that has decided the outcome of history countless times. You only need a handle of say 30 cm to fend off various animals and the if you put the sheath on the blade it can be kept in your pack. Then again, you don't want to be seen walking through quaint Alpish towns with what looks like a brutal improvised weapon, so...

>>2731136
I always have my big knife hanging from my belt and no one ever even acknowledged it, idk they even saw it, and they talk with me and chat no problem, dont think they give a shit

anyone here ever had some encounters?
I met a pack of boars in the pre alps while going up a super steep off trail muddy incline where I had to be on my knees with a stick to go up, and those guys just ran down like it was nothing, it they charged me I would've been absolutely fucked, pretty cool and scary experience.
also met a mother and baby deer or something like that, in the middle of the road in a very small and full of tight curves road, and when I started honking they didnt go innawoods but kept running along the road, not very smart, if another car arrived while we were there it could've needed in a car crash and the deers would've been rekt

>>2731110
Bears in Slovenia are mostly in the southern part of the country from what I've heard

>>2730717
>but in the Alps there are bears, wolves and foxes, and also boars in the pre alps
Even the Dutch have boar and wolves. The boar are very skittish and shy away from people. The wolves are getting more bold, but mostly in terms of chasing cyclists innawoods (lol).

>>2730717
Yes, there's hordes of wolves and bears ready to savage your wop ass.
>>2730730
Ironically that too was a terrone bastard. Definitely disturbed the beast somehow, highly doubt it was a chance encounter and definitely not predation.
In Europe, it's most often clueless idiots that fall victims to wild beasts.

>>2732645
>super steep off trail muddy incline where I had to be on my knees
>met a mother and baby deer and when I started honking
LMFAO I had to take a screenshot of this crap, stay home.


Aliexpress Naturehike tents -- real deal?

I looked for a tent thread to post this in, but search didn't bring up a general thread.

Anyway, The Cloud Up 2 is a solid tent from what I've read and it's way cheaper on Aliexpress than Amazon (£104 instead of £155!) so naturally I want to get it from there. But is it real, or am I buying fakes or factory seconds?

Recently i bought some Vans shoes in their "sale" but what I actually received were clearly cast-offs that they couldn't sell as standard quality due to bad stitching -- this has never been the case paying full price in 20 years of buying them. I don't want to get a shit tent for 60% of the price of a good one so please advise me /out/.

>>2730790
>chinkshit
just use craigslist retard

>>2730794
Not to unseat you from your grasp of the world around you, but we do not have that here. And I don't want a second-hand tent because then I would have to consider the possibility of it being fucked with before I got it -- I just need 1 decent tent to last the next 5-10 years, so I am buying it right (and at the best price).

>>2730790
Genuine knock offs. Send anything to manufacture in China and they'll copy it and sell it cheaper.

>>2730797
most people selling camping equipment online have only used it once and probably got it from some local outdoors store. it'll be 10x better than whatever you can find on aliexpress.

there's a chinkshit thread with more info on Chinese gear, and I think one more in the archive as well

>>2730790
naturekike is a chink company and you're buying it from china, of course it's gonna be cheaper duh

>>2730790
>I looked for a tent thread to post this in, but search didn't bring up a general thread.
>
>Anyway, The Cloud Up 2 is a solid tent from what I've read and it's way cheaper on Aliexpress than Amazon (£104 instead of £155!) so naturally I want to get it from there. But is it real, or am I buying fakes or factory seconds?
It's real, I got my cloud up 2 from AliExpress. Make sure you are comparing the right tents though, some in that listing use 20D fabric while others use 210T fabric and that changes the price. You also don't get factory seconds, with Amazon you are just paying for a reseller, which means arbitrage, storage, advertising and the greed of the reseller are included in the price.

>I don't want to get a shit tent for 60% of the price of a good one so please advise me /out/.

If I were you I'd buy it. If you want to be safe, use a listing with more sales rather than one with 3 sales.
Also there's a AliExpress thread that this would fit in better but I get that you wouldn't find that unless you were looking for it specifically.

The naturehike 1P is listed for AU$165 on Amzon AU. I bought one and used it on an overnight bike packing trip. Good tent, did the job. Wasn't raining though, we'll see how it goes in the coming winter. Pretty versatile tent. You can set it up as mesh only or fly only or mesh+fly. Would buy again out of ten.

>>2730794
Absolute shit advice. The selection is basically zero and there’s no kind of buyer protection. eBay and Gear Trade are better options.

>>2730790
>Recently i bought some Vans shoes in their "sale" but what I actually received were clearly cast-offs that they couldn't sell as standard quality due to bad stitching
That's what you get for being a cheap cunt.

>>2730961
I used cloudup 1 with the footprint during a night of rain and if held up fine.

>>2730790
>real deal?
No, they're cheap imitations of MSR tents. Everything Naturehike makes is a cheap copy of something someone else made better. They're not 60% off the price. The price of a real MSR tent is $300+ Buy knock offs and you'll get knock off quality. Everything on Aliexpress and >75% of Amazon is a knock off.

>>2730798
>Send anything to manufacture in China and they'll copy it and sell it cheaper.
With cheaper materials and negative quality control because there isn't a company inspector whipping the kids in the factory.

>>2730810
>If I were you I'd buy it.
>>2730961
>Would buy again out of ten.

I will buy it.

>>2731055
>That's what you get for being a cheap cunt.
Come on. If they are having their own sale, they shouldn't be shifting shit stock onto 20+ year customers. Simple as.

>>2731077
Since I'll be in the UK, rain input is useful.

>>2731081
>No, they're cheap imitations of MSR tents.
Ah, ya stuck me with this comment so late into the thread. The thing is, you're probably correct in a lot of ways but I can see the law of diminishing returns in action here -- a $3000 guitar is generally better than a $750 guitar, but it doesn't necessarily hold tune better, it is more in the finer detail such as the fit and finish, and aesthetics where the higher price is created. I think this will be the same: 90% of the functionality for 30% of the price.

Thanks to all who posted. I'll order it and hopefully with sensible use it will hold up for me like it has for other posters.

>>2731121
Be sure to report back in a future thread anon...

>>2730794
>don't buy chink shit from a chunk website
>instead use an American website to buy chink shit
The logic is palpable

>>2730797
What do you have? Chinkshit is not going to be good.
>>2731151
The logic is to not buy chinkshit

>>2730790
I worked in 2 different outdoor gear retailers and besides my alpine climbing tents I only use these chinesium backpacking tents for everything else. You pay up the ass for namebrand tents that have only slightly better quality control. be all end all is whether you like the design and purpose. seamseal all your tents, namebrand or not. And in really shit weather, consider bringing a tarp as well as every single tent will leak at some point from somewhere. 3FUL has an official site, I would check that out. Naturehike has good cheap tents, Aliexpress is best prices but if you wait for a sale on amazon, then at least you have some buyers protections. If you really want namebrand work in the retail industry and get some prodeals

>>2730790
>buying from shitty slop retailers
You get what you deserve.

>>2730790
Having one vestibule and its on the short side of the rectangle

Top kek

>>2731216
>What do you have? Chinkshit is not going to be good.
Your entire house is full of chinkshit, including the electrical device you wrote that on -- it was made in Shenzhen, a city on the south coast of China. Check if you like, I am correct.

I'm not American so I don't have "made in muh USA"" mindset about things, if something is decent then I have no politics stopping me from buying it.

>>2731347
It's a 2 person tent, I will just keep my shoes in the vestebule, everything else will fit nicely inside with me.

>>2731291
>You pay up the ass for namebrand tents that have only slightly better quality control. be all end all is whether you like the design and purpose.
Thanks for the input.
>>2731291
>seamseal all your tents, namebrand or not.
Yes, this seems like a good idea, I will do.

>>2731516
>if something is decent then I have no politics stopping me from buying it.
sounds like a kike or anglo mindset to me

>>2730790
Naturehike is a chinese brand. On amazon you are just donating the difference to a dropshipper.

>>2731533
Your extended family is full of kikes and anglos then isn't it? Come on lad.

>>2730790
I promise you that tent is hot as fuck

I bought an amazon backpacking tent and it was cheap but it is also heavy and hot. I really can't even use it in Florida where I live. I have to wait until a couple hours after the sun has gone down to sleep in it.

So for me, it's a tarp.

>>2731740
the reason the tent is hot is because the mesh doesn't go all the way to the bottom btw so check on that

>>2731740
>I promise you that tent is hot as fuck
This is actually a good thing for me, it sounds well insulated. Holt sunny weather is a luxury for us, we get maybe 3 scorchers per year, so the fact that it holds warmth is exactly what I want. Cheers.

>>2730790
You never know what you're going to get from Ali, but give it a go by all means.
Last month I rolled the dice on "Genuine NEW" Garmin Instinct Solar for a fraction of one from the shop, and a high spec tablet on sale.
The watch is definitely genuine and new.
The tablet was trash, but with a couple of clicks I got my money back.
This is in line with what I've come to expect - quality is a bit of a gamble, but it's not difficult to resolve any issues. I've never had a refund declined.

Tent specific, I got one a while back and it was fucking great - seam sealed, snow flaps, a ton of alloy snow pegs etc.
Right up until the zip broke.
I actually got it with zero expectations for the kids to garden camp, but ended up using it in the hills because it was lighter than my $$$ tent. Never quite trusted it for winter in the mountains though - it's Ali after all : )

Naturehike and Lanshan are pretty good. Know a couple of people with them and they have no problems with them. You can find people who have taken them on through hikes and they have held up alright. Just got to make sure to seam seal as some are not from the factory.

>>2731533
Not buying "made in USA" is anti-semitic.
Assuming two products of equal quality and price, one made in China the other in USA, I'd buy the chinkshit.

>>2730790
In this day and age saving 100 dollars isn't worth ordering Chinese garbage to me. Rei is having their anniversary sale all week.

AliExpress and Alibaba is a mixture of the two following;

Genuine shit that comes off the same assembly line as name brand stuff and is sold black market from the same factory

And

Total knock off garbage with deceiving or outright lying specs


/Out/ Smokes

What do you smoke when you're /out/? I'm not a smoker but I enjoy picrel when I go outing.

>>2731159
I smoke cuban rounds but also keep a long stemmed pipe to smoke the leftover cigar tobacco in the evenings while enjoying a beer or some hooch I made.

>>2731159
I've taken up vaping.The clouds I produce,are superior for bug defense.

>>2731159
What do you drink when you're /out/? I'm not an alcoholic but I enjoy picrel when I go outing.

I rarely smoke while /out/ because I'm too busy doing out shit. In fact, it's a big reason why I smoke less. However, yesterday, while returning from a fishing trip, I smoked my last Toscano and took two bumps of Red Bull snuff.

>>2731205
here we take these wineskins full of wine, it's great to recover energy

>>2731159
I'll typically smoke a cigar every week or two, if I'm outside and the weather is nice.
Sometimes I think about trying out a pipe, like my Great Grandpa used to smoke. I remember it smelled so good.
Can't stand cigarettes though, nasty things.

>>2731910
meerschaum cob pipe and some captain black is a good cheap aromatic combo to start

Weed, nothing like getting to camp, setting up and then smoking while wondering around gathering wood. No use smoking before camp is set though, that's a goddam mess.

>>2731159
I vape
>faggot
Don't care. And I take few spare 21700s depending on how long I'm staying /out. Being able hot swap battery is way better, than charging your vape while camping. They also fit my flashlight, so that's nice.

>>2731959
Dude, why is that room you're in such a mess? Looks like you were robbed or sumthin.

>>2731954
Nature joints are killer. Smoking with a view is even more killer, go for a hike and spark up at the top where you can see for 30+ miles.

>>2731959
get addicted to vaping so you never forget extra batteries for you flashlight.

>>2731187
You're simnply too young to appreciate these things, it's obvious from a mile away.

And yeah, I love whiskey and pipes. So what?

>>2732047
NTA but I don't understand the appeal of cigars either. You don't even inhale them? The entire point is just the act of smoking. tasting, and smelling the cigar? It seems like you risk a lot for something that other things do a lot better.

Smoking an Allegria Lonsdale. It has improved since when I first bought them, which was 1+ years ago. Yesterday, I smoked a bowl of Capstan Gold in a cob, great blend.
>>2732051
There's also a nicotine buzz, and the risk is actually incredibly low.


What is this thing?

I found it in a cave in Japan. About the size of a golf ball. I got bad vibes from it so I didn’t touch it.

>>2731160
you finally found your first ball of spiders

>>2731164
>>2731166
I’m both confused and horrified that this is a thing but thank my instincts for telling me not to touch it

>>2731160
Thats an anti urbanite cluster mine (AUCM)
When triggered it will sprawl out a bunch of spiders to crawl up your arm and assuming you only brought the one flashlight(as most city folk are want to do) will cause panicky jerking movements in your reaction, making the now flashing between light and darkness insects that much more terrifying to see spreading ravidly out and up the limb that disturbed the.
Best results when flashlight is dropped during panic, this creates maximum trauma to the urbanite, effectively creating a phobia on the spot and causing the city dweller to long for the the comforts of home and vow never to step into a treeline again, and fear those that do.

Your instincts did well by you, likely because you have some woodsman blood in your veins.


/out/ hunting

Mark

hunters of /out/, what's the last thing you hunted & ate?<br>The main thing to hunt where I live is deer, Venison is really good but its illegal to sell anything. I have some pelts but idk what to do with them

Anonymous

>>2731244
>Last thing i hunted and ate

Wild turkey

>last thing i hunted
Black bear, but ive had pneumonia the last 2 weeks and havent been back out. My family doesnt eat (((meat))) from the goycery store, so i hunt and fish a TON to make sure we have enough. Its alot of work

>>2731244
My first elk last November. Been eating him few times a week since.

The last couple hunting seasons have been a shit show due to work schedule and shit. I shot a deer with my 357mag but the bullet hit about a 3" diameter sappling. Went through that, exited the other side and hit the deer. Had good blood for a minute but I never found it. Other than that pretty good squirrel hunting as always.

>>2731350
Nice never had elk, does it taste the same as deer?

>>2731403
Its a little milder. All these internet wannabe fag celebrities going nuts over it are lying. Its definitely better than deer, but its still wild game with 0 fat.

Caveman

Mule deer, last season. Still have a shoulder in the freezer.

Anonymous

Red Spiker a few months ago. Very good meat, not too bad of a carry..great fun.

>>2731919
Based. Small game was the working white mans hunting for millennia until (((media))) started pushing big game to sell magazines and videos and now apps and youtube videos. Good on you anon. Howd you cook em?

Last thing was axis deer buck in Texas on the morning of the eclipse. I've yet to eat it. Before that, bull elk from Montana rifle hunt.

I live in NV where it's really hard to draw tags, so I apply for 7 Western states. Utah, Arizona, Nevada, Wyoming, Montana, New Mexico, Colorado.

Tips:
Montana has a 60% chance at 0 points. The big game combo tag is amazing, either sex deer, and elk, archery and/or rifle. My wife and I have been getting this tag every year for the past 3 years.

I've built a spreadsheet tracking all deadlines for all 7 states and staggered them in a way that allows me to apply for each one in the most optimal way possible. This allows me to get at least one tag for elk per year.

If you're new, get cow elk tags. They're very easy to get in Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho. They're fun hunts because they take place in the same units as the primo bull tags, cheaper, and the 1:5 bull to cow ratio in most units means you have a really high chance to fill your freezer every year.

I haven't had to buy meat in 3 years. Freezer is always packed with elk, deer, rabbit (from my farm).

I use e-scouting, a combination of Google earth, Gaia gps, forums, and all trails, to get a really good plan on where I'm gonna hunt. I can get a tag anywhere and find all the hot spots this way, secret honey holes no longer exist.

Also, you want to hunt elk because it's the same amount of work as deer, but you get double the meat and it's better tasting meat anyway. They're also easier to hunt because of the bugling, cow calling, size and color.

>>2731350
christ you've got some long fingers

Last thing I've hunted and ate is a deer in my back field with my .50 cal flintlock, next hunting season I want to try an get an elk. For that trip I might bring a 30-06

Should I even care about CWD when it seems to be fucking everywhere and is basically undetectable except for the very late stages?

>>2733349
It's in my county and I don't care. The area I used to hunt was not officially part of the cwd zone but it was literally the county adjacent to it. Safe to say it has always been here and just never officially found in tests. NBD imo but I'm an oldfag so for me the risk is low.

>>2733946
That makes sense and I support it.
However, herbivores such as deer have no concept of population control, reproduce like crazy, and destroy the environment due to a lack of natural predators; in addition, carnivores tend to be smaller, so they require more work and time for the same of meat.
Just saying.

Always wanted to get into hunting but never picked it up when I was little. Am I retarded for trying to get into it now? I'm 22.

>>2734327
Not retarded. I'm 34 and just started.

Start small with a .22LR and shoot ground birds and rabbits. Learn to skin and clean them. Work your way up to bigger stuff after that. I've gotten a bunch of rabbits and birbs, it's quite satisfying when you're sitting down eating a grouse you've shot, cleaned, and cooked yourself.

>>2733946
Killing herbivores is not evil, it is nature. Nature and the natural order is not evil.

>>2734327
You are retarded if you don’t get into it.
It’s not as hard as it seems. Hunt a doe or a wild pig.

>>2734327
Some say you don't even need a hunting loicence. In fact, tghre are people who just buy a compound crossbow in the internet and some hunting arrow tips. For those, the hunting season is all year long. Unlimited tags.


Have any of you lived in Gustavus AK? What's it like there?

>>2731064
Yeah. It sucks, and Greg still owes me $40.

Air freight is expensive, so the ferry system is your shipping lifeline... and Mike fucking Dunleavy keeps hacking away at the budget for vital public services. If you aren't fishing, then you work for the state, see above note about corrupt administration. The rain and wind through the inlets will beat the hell out of you pretty frequently.<br>All told, though, if you can handle the isolation and the limited options... it ain't bad living. Just don't spend the rest of your life there without seeing any more of the world.


>>2731249
Comparing a large continent with a large country is too broad. I'd be more interested in smaller-scale comparisons like Scandinavia vs. Alaska or England/Ireland vs. NE/NY.

>>2731253
Well you go ahead then and make a couple threads about those small-scale comparison, smarty-pants. Here in America (peace be upon her) we like big things.

>>2731249
they developed their cities before the rise of industrialism. america is a shitty colony made to extract wealth for the real owners of western civilization.

>>2731249
Seems like a distinctly /in/ post

>>2731249
American backpacking >>>/out/
Euro backpacking >>>/trv/

They used to cut down 100 acres of forest to make one ship

>>2731249
>prettier
>subjective
define that.

>>2731253
I wouldn't be interested in thrhat at all.

>>2732071
The likes of which you never leave

>>2731249
because europe has been handcrafted and molded over thousands of years, and most of the continent is developed. the US is built like minecraft over the course of 200 years juxtaposed against much larger natural areas


Attention Motorcyclists

This is for half-helmet riders.

 Is it time that we switched over to paramotor helmets since the goddamned moto helmet manufacturers can't figure it out when it comes to hearing protection?
Everyone says half helmets are more dangerous anyways, you might as well add the benefit of having mounts to your helmet that hold ear muffs and a faceshield while being suicidal.
The e966 safety standard cert tests are identical to DOT approved (And shady manufacturers can slap the sticker on with no testing)

"JUST WEAR EARPLUGS!"
Can't anymore, ears recently started randomly getting inflamed from pressure.
"TRY THE OUTER EAR MOLD EARPLUGS!"
They work... to a good degree. But not for 70mph winds.

Thoughts? Inb4 retard.

(Go look at how you have to mutilate the insides of a fullface to have a chance at mounting ear muffs inside. Or how full-facers have to wear a whole ass neck brace addition under their helmet to reduce wind buffeting even more.

(Yes, a thread died for this)

>>2731514
I thought /out/ meant /outomobile/ (sarcasm)
Mods can you move this!

>>2731435
Helmets are gay in general. If you're going to ride the thing then you might as well enjoy it, but that's in places where you're not helmcucked which is almost everywhere.

>>2731726
God should've made our bones primarily out of iron. We could handle the weight of it; walking /fat/people are living proof of this.

>>2731726
And mandatory motorcycle insurance.
And no lane splitting.

Goddamn nanny states all of em /grumble

>>2731435
>Can't anymore, ears recently started randomly getting inflamed from pressure.
It's over buddy. Buy the chin curtain and suffer.


I noticed a trend where my farts start to smell like the bubonic plague after camping. Anyone else experience this? Is it the dehydrated decathlon meals, the streamwater I'm drinking(filtered), maybe the electrolyte tablets? Send help

Yeah it depends on what you're eating. Garlic of any sort gives me the worst farts. Still gonna eat it tho lol

>>2731567
guy im the picture poot so fart he lifted up

>>2731567
just bring real food and stop trying to be cool
who are you impressing anyway?

>>2731567
Those dehydrated meals do it for me too. I don't mess with them anymore, better off with ramen or Mac and cheese or anything else. Another thing i do if I'm just going for a night is vacuum pack a bagel with cream cheese, and it'll keep through the night. That's a really nice breakfast when you're hungry.

>>2731567
I'm bumping this thread because I want the board to suffer

Probably the Wendigo cum in your ass, I wouldn't worry about it.

>>2731567
dried food is mainly lentil based what did you expect lol

>>2731567
>dehydrated decathlon meals
it's most likely this. i've read reviews of some mountain house meals doing this very thing

>>2732472
What if OP got buttpregnant with Wendigo buttbabies haha

What if you put some Mountain House in your ass would you burp or would you make a dehydrated poopy farty mess


Extensive walking

Where can I just walk for like, years and years? Florida? California?

Lease ending in a few months and for the last few years I've basically been holding onto society by a thread. I can't keep it up anymore. I'm out of jobs that I think I could do. I'm out of money. I lack the parts to be normal. I'll probably miss my last rent payment, but I am just too crazy to get a job. It's just not there for me anymore. That ship has sailed. So it's time to be a hobo. Walking is all I've ever been good at.

Hobos earn a lot of money, they fuck themselves because of drugs, not because of lack of opportunity.

Dunno where you could walk, I was almost sure going outside without a purpose was illegal in the US.

Why is /out/ full of maladapted borderline societal outcasts lately? <br>What happened to having your shit together and enjoying nature as a pastime? Why do you retards need to get all feral and unhinged about it?

>>2731577
Just watched Forrest Gump huh?

>>2731694
Idk man. I'm just checking this place out. It seems that every board is just full of retarded tourists these days. This whole site is dead. Almost every board is slow as shit, this place has multiple threads up that are weeks old. Every other thread is started by bots and has no participation because it's doompilled, off topic bitching.

>>2731577
Might as well get a shit-looking bicycle but well fitted to your physical measurements, that way you can travel 3x faster at the same amount of effort or less. You can also strap your pack to the back (with more stuff) and push it along, which is a nice way to walk in my experience. As far as criminals are concerned, who will go to too much effort to steal a locked shitcycle? Little do they know it is your perfect size and feels great to ride.

>>2731727
If you wanted to get in-depth, I'm sure you could fit a simple electricity generation device to it as well, so that you can charge your shit on the move.

>>2731730
Fuck, now I'm on a tangent. You can even fit a bike in a 2-man tent if you take the wheels off (most of them are quick release these days).

I think I'll be taking the bike when I go camping next time.

>>2731653
Homeless beggars aren't hobos. a HoBo is a homeward bound individual. They have a home, they're just walking there. It started after the civil war. Conscripted soldiers were discharged from service, but had to make their own way home. It has come to blanket any migratory workers that travel for work, usually by hopping trains. Hobos seek work, transients usually panhandle and avoid work.

>>2731760
Yeah and in the 1920s that may have been a true description of people that existed but in 2024 hobo means exactly the same thing as vagrant, homeless, loser, etc. There's no distinction anymore.

I walked across America almost 13 years ago…took me about 8 months and I had about $1000 to my name. Didn’t really spend more than a few hundred and even got to work a few odd jobs during the trip. One of the best things I ever did—I’d be more hesitant nowadays with how distracted drivers are. I think a popular hiking trail like the AT would be safer all around

>>2731577
It's almost impossible in america due to our infrastructure. cops will pick you up for walking. your best bet is to learn to trainhop, or live in a 20 yo jap econobox.

>>2731897
>cops will pick you up for walking
It's not "walking" that's illegal, its wandering down the center lane of a highway with your pants down screaming incoherent obscenities at the cars trying not to hit you, that got you arrested.
The cops would have gotten involved if you did it on the autobahn too.

>>2731934
In many areas, it is literally illegal to walk up and down a highway on foot. Pedestrian foot traffic is explicitly illegal. I live in an isolated rural area. it would be illegal for me to try to 'leave' on foot because the only way out are said highways. Of course, if I get on a bike i suddenly become a vehicle and can legally access these same roads but the point still stands.

>>2732332
>i refuse to do things because theyre illegal
get rid of this attitude or you will not make it as a hobo
accept you'll get talked to by cops and possibly put in jail for a night, try shit and learn from experience what cops do and don't give a flying fuck about
hint: this one falls firmly into the "they don't" category

>>2731694
It has always been like this. Economic conditions have merely forced the woods dwellers out of their habitats and back into their tiny studios, where they are forced to reminisce of the days when they could afford to clock out of work, fuck off into the woods, and re-emerge two days later for the next week.

>>2731775
Sounds cool got any stories? I walked south to north a few years ago and had a blast
>>2732332
Ive never had any issues with this, got stopped once by bored cops cause i was walking w traffic and they told me to cross the road and walk on the other side. You sound like a pussy, stay in your cope shed.

>>2732332
lmao america is dystopian, zero freedom

>>2731577
If youre gonna walk, you should walk a long trail. PCT, AT, CDT, arizona trail, florida trail, coloroado trail..etc

Otherwise, look into bike packing.

just beg for money. hold a sign and ask for money. theres no shame being a traveler. its fun


Explain to me why March and April were warmer than May

>>2731596
Weather patterns are chaotic and variable. How oblivious to reality are you?

>>2731659
>How oblivious to reality are you?
he's a frog poster so....

>>2731596
Yeah ikr and if global warming is real then why the fuck does it still get cold outside in the winter? Checkmate AL Gore

>>2731596
Cause no other answer than mother nature is a bitch

>>2731660
>frog poster
When did this place start hating frogs? That was the start of the end.

>>2731711
When people realized just how fucking stupid FrogTards are/

God I wish I didn’t live in a hot desert


gear question

Both if weight isn't an issue.

Hatchet is more versatile. A saw may do what you need for firewood in a pinch, and may be better for precision cuts than a hatchet for bushcraft but a hatchet should do the same stuff with more flexibility for other tasks.

I’ve never needed either. and I only ever use my lil knife for cleaning fish, so even that feels like a waste a lot of the time

>>2731773
There was a thread with the same discussion a few weeks ago. The general consensus was that, if you had to choose one, a hatchet is more versatile than a saw.

I need a machete. We're not cutting wood, we're fighting for our lives out here!

>>2731821
tips for choosing a nice hatchet?

>>2732233
I've used Estwing Sportsman hatchets for years. They come in different sizes. You can pick one up for around $45.

Qiwiz makes a bucksaw, the Lil Buck. It weighs less than 4 oz. and fits in a tyvek envelope. Will cut 6 inch logs but it's best for 3-4 inch wood. The Lil Buck together with a 6 inch knife for splitting dead wood logs equals really easy fires. Used this weekend in Northern Michigan with great results.

Hatchet is the best all around for general use. If you want to do bush crafting or need to get through bigger branches or small logs a lightweight folding Japanese pull saw will cut through clean and quicker.

>>2731773
A saw is way more practical for the kind of camping I do. Find a dead branch, saw it into campfire or stove-sized pieces. The only time a hatchet has come in handy is when I need to split wood in the winter.

>>2731773
Saw is lightweight, and you can carry a few extra blades. Axes allow you to cut big logs faster, and are just fun to use.
Practicality camping: electric handheld saw
Light weight camping: regular saw
Fun camping: big axe
Long distance camping: hatchet (or big knife for batoning)


Flower/Plant photo general

Previous thread >>2721535
 hit the image limit

>>2731780
jealous jealous jealous jealous jealous

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>>2731782
Don't tell this to textbooks and field guides before the 70s.

>>2731790
And? They're still not plants. Fungi are their own kingdom and are genetically closer to animals than plants. They breathe in oxygen and release CO2. They do not photosynthesize. Spores =/= seeds. Issac newton was wrong about many things that Einstein corrected. We didn't say...well, tell that to the books written in the 1700s.

>>2731796
Stop being so autistic about OP not calling this "flower/plant/fungi" general, holy shit.

Fun fact though: some plants do release spores. Horsetail and ferns are underrated. Ain't that neat?

>>2731799
Pointing out that OP is a fucking retard for starting a plant thread with a fungus is autistic? You're fucking retarded as well.

>>2731796
>We didn't say...well, tell that to the books written in the 1700s.
You didn't, because you have no sense of humor and take everything literally and can't just chill the fuck out for a second to smirk at a stupid joke.

>>2731782
>>2731812
Fuck you, get skunk cabbaged

>>2731812
>nuh uh my big rant isn't autistic, you're retarded!!!
You could win Americas Next Top Autist with talent like that.


west highland way fren hike

Oke so im planning on tackling the west highland way soonish with my bong friend pretty soonish, were going to meet up either in london (if i decide to take the train from the netherlands through belgium and france to england) or in glasgow (where i can take a direct flight) And were wondering if any anons that have done this hike before have any tips to share with total beginners such as us.. :---D and with tips i mean landmarks off of the beaten road that we should visit along the way or stuff that we should/shouldnt do and generally what to expect during the trip. We also wouldnt mind meeting up with other out/chuds, and if youre wondering were both males aged 22

well what me & my mate did was bring a big bottle of whiskey each from glasgow and wildcamp way off the track & get drunk gazing at the mountains every night. was pretty good. bridge of orchy hotel pub is full of cunts. travel early as much as you can, it's much more beautiful then and much higher chance of seeing wildlife. WHW was awesome overall, you're in for a good time. the rocks around lomond can be a bit fucked in bad weather so be careful there. good luck anon

>>2732040
thanks for tips anon, i dont have any experience drinking alcohol so i think ill keep it at a pint or two at a pub, i am also planning on bringing along some mushrooms along but im no too sure on how safe or smart that is. Do you have any reccomendations for what to do in glasgow, or should i avoid that place like the pest?

>>2732026
DONT go to Glasgow, it’s 3rd world - Trainspotting is basically a documentary.
Edinburgh is pretty cool though, there are backckers and genuinely good pubs in the middle of town.
Locals were all pretty friendly. Just follow your nose mate, worked for me.
t. Kiwi spent a bit of time over that way when I was 25.

Go slow, you can easily do 40km+ daily on the WhW, but you'll miss out on a lot. Also, take time to appreciate the Caledonian forests along Loch Lomond, I raced through the area because I was laser focused on seeing the true highlands area.

>>2732098
I didn't do much in glasgow, just stayed the night there so we could start early the next day. it's not as phenomenally shit as e.g. >>2732180 suggest, more or less just your typical run down UK city.

>>2732208
I think this is good advice. absolutely no point rushing. if I ever do it again I will go a lot slower. you may meet people who look down on you for not doing e.g. 30 mile days every day. if so ignore them, they're autistic.

>>2732180
>trainspotting is a documentary
trainspotting is set in Edinburgh you dumb faggot, Glasgow is one of the few UK cities that hasn't completely gone to the dogs and still has a slither of sovl

>Go to the pub at Beinglas Farm (The Stagger Inn)
>Many pubs / hotels have outdoor taps with free drinking water
>There are long sections of Loch Lomond with no taps, it’s also not that advisable to drink water coming down the hills because of agricultural run-off that can’t be filtered (carry extra water when you leave Drymen)
>The showers + toilets at Kingshouse are free to use
>The Devil’s Staircase is fine, the climb out of Kinlochleven is a pain
>Bring blister packs, even if you’re not prone to blisters (long stretches on old military roads = tough on feet)
>Don’t camp on the flat area near the river at Bridge of Orchy (or you’ll wake up in midgie hell)

>>2734248
Genuinely useful and informed advice.

Only thing I would add is that Kingshouse does not stock much "real" food- yes there is a shop there but it's very advisable to stock up in advance if you are wild camping. You can also get restaurant food there, but in my experience it's quite expensive and not very good.

>>2733839
OK anon, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and start saying that Glasgow is
>actually good
or anything mental like that :)


>gives 10 hour lecture about ancestors and being in touch with nature and feeling the spirits and energies
>drops out after 24 hours
lmao

>>2731965
>wake up
>shit
>get out of sleeping bag
>commit poaching crime on camera
>go home and continue resenting parents for being better outdoorsmen

>>2731965
If you put me outtadoors 1,000+ miles from the woods I live in, and told me to survive I'd be fairly useless. If you put me 200 miles away I think I could be pretty capable. If I had to survive in the woods I live in, I honestly think I could go indefinitely until I got some kind of bad infection etc.

It's all about knowing the plants.

>>2731987
>It's all about knowing the plants.
Not being a white guy with dreadlocks probably also helps.

>>2731965
No idea who that is but it must be exhausting with 2 kg of extra hair. Bad gear nigga.

>>2731965
adult men who still wear le insecure teenager hats are not to be trusted. an adult man shouldnt need to wear a hat in general until its 20 degrees F or colder, 100% of men who wear a hat at temperatures warmer than this will transition within 5 years

>>2732077
Hats/caps are generally fine outdoors- however you are correct about THAT hat (not even to mention the elephant in the room aka the hair). A straw hat is a life saver in the hot summer sun.

>>2732089
Look autism aside, they look stupid and dirty. They have become linked or associated with a certain type of white person. Doper hippie try-hard poser etc. (I'm struggling to come up with the exact words to get across what they suggest but you get the idea). Anyways it isn't good and it is indeed a meaningful profiling tool.

>>2732093
>other people exist and this upsets me

>>2732077
tell me you don't go /out/ without telling me you don't go /out/. I never leave home without my hat, whether it's to protect me from cold, the sun, or rain, it's always useful.

As far as muh adult men goes, it wasn't so long ago that a man would never leave home without his hat. It's modern day soft city boys who never learned about being a man from their single mothers who started the trend of not wearing a hat.

>>2732154
>whether it's to protect me from cold, the sun, or rain, it's always useful.
Or to keep bugs out of your hair. Fucking blackflies

>>2732077
Hats are for sun protection and catching webs.

>>2732089
>>2732127
dreds are disgusting and smell like rotten ass & stale piss

>>2732179
Don't go round sniffing a hippied hair then you absolute cretin

>>2732182
i try not to, but like blacks, their smell leaves a 50ft trail across the aisles at walmart
its quite astonishing how its possible

>>2732154
Ironically the hat you posted is exactly the type of poser hat that won't protect you from anything and larpers from the lower 48 wear to make themselves feel like rugged bush men while they scurry around a section of woods between two highways and 5 km from a suburb

>>2732195
NTA but I've never seen someone wearing a Tam o 'Shanter outside of festival events/Tartan Day, and I bet you haven't either

>>2731986
That was the other dreadlocked white dude, from Alone US. This is a different chode from Alone Australia Season 1

I don't watch these show but how bad can it be to stay out there for at least 4 days? Even the most inexperienced with 5 or 10 C's can manage to shelter and keep hydrated EVEN if they don't eat for days. Seems like mind over matter thing to me.

>>2732209
Right you are. One shitty wannabe survivalist is much like another, kek

>>2731965
most experts you watch especially on youtube set out specifically to become experts, many simply popped out of nowhere making "expert videos" and "expert reactions" with no background as experts themselves. this is common in every interest since the dawn of social media
what does this mean? superficial knowledge, no depth, no real world experience and probably a lot of followers that fuck themselves up listening to their advice

>>2732195
>the type of poser hat that won't protect you from anything
It will keep your head warm, keep bugs out of your hair, and protect you from the rain. Moreover, it simply looks good.

Sounds like you're dealing with a lot of insecurity there. I wear what I like, and you should too. Why are you so concerned with how other people perceive you? The only types of people who get worked up over the hat choices of other strangers are losers like you who never actually go out to begin with.

>>2731965
>The Virgin Indigenous Native
vs
>The Chad Swede Fitness Model

Imagine trying to hit all your DEI targets and your prized woke balloon quits on day one. And they brought the dudes wife back for season two just to see her quit in 3 days.
Only thanks to a mysterious night wallaby did they manage to get a woman to win S1.

>>2732270
I mean we're constantly put upon by the gaze of others, that's pretty much a universal issue for humans. we hate it and yet we also crave it. people pretending they don't care are generally deceiving themselves. in fact look up the 'social intelligence hypothesis'- it's quite likely that a large part of our intelligence evolved specifically to keep track of how others see us.

>>2732277
>constantly put upon by the gaze of others
>we hate it and yet we also crave it
Stop posting your high-school poetry projects here.

Also NTA but I don't think it's a universal human experience, especially /out/doors. I think some people are more prone to judging others for their looks, especially the over-socialized urbanites.

But besides that, he dresses a certain way because he knows he'll be on TV and thousands will be looking at him. He wants to portray himself a certain way to the masses. We've had the same types in other seasons with various people reducing themselves to caricatures (hippies, hardasses and everything in between).

>>2732277
There's a difference between being aware that people are judging you based on what you wear, and actively altering your appearance in order to appeal to some imagined group of people who you want to win the approval of. If you don't like wearing hats, that's fine. If you like wearing hats but don't because some autist on 4chan said it makes you a poo poo head then you're about as mentally mature as a teenage girl.

I wear whatever he fuck I want for any reason I want. If someone doesn't like my style, they have bad taste. Simple as. You think I'm going to lose sleep over some acne ridden basement dweller who thinks my hat is for "larping"? Say it to my face faggot. No one ever has, and no one ever will.

>>2732279
reasonable criticism.

it's something we've evolved to do. everyone does it to varying degrees, it's nonadaptive not to do it. you're right that some do it more than others, though rather than urbanites doing it more I think they do it based on different (more socially shifted) criteria- e.g. how much your shoes cost or who else is wearing them, vs how suitable they are for the task at hand.

>>2732089
dreadlocks are peak consumerism bullshit. in a survival situation its objectively better to have an easier to manage hairstyle that doesnt literally bog you down and drain your calories. its like having super long fingernails because you never leave your house and never do any physical labor. it is completely detrimental to your situation to have those physical features.

>>2732089
White people generally wash/comb/cut their hair, anon.

>>2732316
That's fair, and I guess it does differ from social circle to circle. "Who else wears them" is for women and "how much clothes cost" is for the local hoodlums. Ratty, unwashed pants wouldn't strike me as weird on the trail the same way flip-flops would. I wouldn't dwell on it any more than a "huh, odd" though.

I do still think urbanites are more prone to this behavior, not only because they have more people around them but also because they busy themselves more with fashion. It's a way of existing that focuses more on looks, and the way you look to others.

>>2732077
It is probably the only style of hat that would fit over his shitlocks

>>2732077
so I’m not allowed to wear a cowboy hat to keep me shaded when its triple digits because it would make me gay or something?

>>2732740
pretty sure you were gay before you donned the hat anon

>>2732077
i'm with you on ppl that wear faghats for fashion, but wearing a hat outdoors is basically required to not have the skin of a 70 year old when you turn 40.

>>2731994
Why are whites with dreadlocks such insufferable douchebags

>>2733197
>why are people without jobs such insufferable douchebags
you answered your own question

>>2733199
Pretty sure he's a Paid Professional Protester though. Or maybe it's just that half the protester's you see look exactly like him.

>>2732127
That's the theme of this board, yes.


Are you excited for the warmer weather /out/ :3 ?

>>2731916
yes, snow is finally starting to melt above the tree line so now I can convince my friends to come on hikes with me

>>2731927
For some reason I haven't had a tick in years and I live pretty much innawoods

>>2731916
Imagine not feeling shit on your skin.

>>2732246
Tick concentration is location dependent.
I work innawoods building a trail and most of my tick encounters were simply at the edge of wood lines rather in the deep of the forests.
>>2732276
Imagine not feeling ticks on your poppy seed muffin.

Was doing yardwork naked yesterday. Stopped to enjoy a fire and drink a beer, found a tick in my chest hair so i threw it in the flames


2 questions
Does anyone else here use the app iNaturalist to search for plants, animals, fungi etc

And

What GPS device can I use to punch in co-ordinates that won't run out of reception half way there like a smartphone?

I need to enter a latitude and longitude into a device and for it to tell me when I'm exactly there no matter how isolated the area is.

>>2732131
I use inat but have never used it to find anything like what you seem to be interested in.
>What GPS device can I use to punch in co-ordinates that won't run out of reception half way there like a smartphone?
Your smartphone should have gps anywhere regardless of your reception. I use gaia but it's paid only. I'd look for a free as in freedom app, it might be hard to use but won't have bullshit like locking you out of using it when you're without reception. Bear in mind gps accuracy is often only to around 100ft or so depending on what people use when uploading to inat. You should just aim for the vicinity and then look.

>>2732136
Smartphones have gps but to load the webpage again if you accidently click out of the specific page you need phone reception/ internet to load the page again. I have seen people use a dedicated gps device to reach lat and long coords

>>2732131
I use books.
Plan ID is significantly more involved than just looking at pictures.
Also, iNaturalist is shit for trees or anything bigger than a shrub and it is mostly for home gardens and imported species.
...
If you need exact location a smart phone is almost the worst option you could go with. You're way better off getting a dedicated GPS--even off the used market--than using a smartphone if you need a grid location.


Despite being known for rainforests, most of the region of the Pacific Northwest on the windward side of the Cascade mountains is surprisingly dry during the summer, specifically. By the end of August, the undergrowth foliage is thinner, and brown grass is common.

>>2732111
We have mountains on the peninsula that the puget lowlands are on the leeward side of. Once you get south of them it gets much wetter. There are areas that are very dry and balmy from the rainshadow. Once you get ON the west cascades you get a lot more rain, practically a rainforest in areas, but not as much as the windward side of the olympics.

>>2732140
Where are some unexpectedly wet areas of Washington? I'd like to explore more of the state and I prefer forests to desert.

>>2732400
Can't beat the windward side of the Olympics. Check out the Hoh Rainforest. It's a long drive and popular this time of year though.

>>2732111
>on the windward side of the Cascade mountains
thats hardly the "northwest" anyone who lives on the coast calls that the interior

>>2732111
the san juan islands and canadian gulf islands are practically a tropical paradise

>>2732111
200 years of deforestation and massive filling of wetlands (all across the west coast not just Washington) have appreciably changed the weather.

Washington used to have a much longer rainy season and a much wetter summer but that's all changed appreciably in the last 30 years--we now have a dry season and a wet season. The Olympic peninsula is already dangerously close to drougt season and droughts and dry seasons are much more common now than they've ever been in recorded history.

Thanks logging cartels, garbage urban planning and zero stormwater treatment.

>>2732685
Ahhh yes cutting down trees has changed the way the Pacific Ocean builds weather systems.

>>2732685
>massive filling of wetlands
ugh, the amount of indian mansions built up on marshlands here is ridiculous. they claim they are growing blueberries but how many blueberries can you really sell these days. anyway they all complain when the spring freshet floods over the dykes since this used to be a floodplain and its just like are you retarded, this is how nature intended and youre fighting against something immensly more powerful than you or however much money you think you can throw at it

>>2732685
>>2732987
i sure it has nothing to do with a 2° temperature change in the last 100yrs lol
https://statesummaries.ncics.org/ch<wbr>apter/wa/

>>2732754
Trees create rain and act as climate buffers--this isn't even debated among people who study climate and weather. It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about and are very stupid but creating clouds and making rain are part of a cycle that covers land and see--even children learn this, I guess not you though.
>>2732996
I don't trust those measurements. You don't need to include 5% temperature variations to show that deforestation significantly impacts weather patterns.

>>2732996
It could easily be both, did you consider that?

>>2732754
Honestly I always admire people that can charge in and be so confident. I also genuinely appreciate how succinctly you've made your point. That said you are wrong. For instance, here is the wikipedia article discussing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defor<wbr>estation_and_climate_change

>>2733007
>climate change is only due to local factors
no I havent considered that because im not retarded.

>>2733001
>I don't trust those measurements
so you just make up your own data? lol

>>2733001
Sure whatever, but you do realize that the timber companies go ahead and plant trees back to harvest in 30 years or whatever right? I fly over all the timber land all the time... it's all trees, not empty plots. It's not like they are magically turning their property into voids of desert.

Regardless of whatever science you have to support your position, it's a small factor compared to what the ocean is doing. You can argue on a grand scale forestry and construction affect the oceans but the ocean is way more dominant than the local factors.

>>2733025
ok

>>2733027
ah, but not all forest is the same. for example water collects less efficiently and is lost much faster from plantation forests. so you're right that large scale weather patterns are more affected by the oceans, but when you're thinking about the actual water relations on the ground, vegetation structure matters a lot.

>>2733037
Sure, a new-growth forest isn't the same as an old-growth forest, and that'll have varying affects on local flora/fauna and water retention and kinds of environment. These are however local effects. You see far more impact from weather systems moving in from the ocean and colliding with geographic masses causing orographic effects like lifting up mountains, or around the olympics creating the puget sound convergence zone.
If I dump a bucket of water on some grass, I don't say the grass caused the bucket of water, even if the shade caused by the grass keeps the water from evaporating.

>>2733038
I think we may be talking at cross purposes.

>>2732685
>>2733001
I would be interested to read some stats for this specifically discussing logging in the PNW. I have found many sources discussing how logging in the amazon can strongly affect weather systems elsewhere, but very little from elsewhere.

>>2732111
Topography. Rainfall picks up to 25-40 inches again in north Idaho and NW Montana and on E WA/OR mountains (eg Wallowa Whitman OR and Spokane Mt WA). Just like it does in Arizona and Utah after the jet stream passes over dry Nevada and the Sonoran desert. After clouds dump rain via orographic lift they tend to gain enough elevation so as to lower rainfall on the leeward side of the ranges until they encounter similar elevation ranges again further east. And even despite that, the Palouse is one of the most productive dryland farming wheat growing zones in North America and has been since before my grandfathers' time (1930s). According to him in WW2 the region had a farming boom due to the price of wheat doubling from great depression to the start of the US involvement in the war and a transition from horses to mechanization, golden hills as far as the eye could see back then.

>>2734143
Oh and also as to the windward sides seasonal mediterranean pattern of precipitation, this is due to the pacific jetstream (the mother jetstream of all of North America) dipping south during the North American monsoon in July and August, leaving those months as often the driest of the year in the PNW and the wettest of the year in places like AZ, NM and UT. Also smaller coastal ranges again will catch huge portions of the precipitation and leave valleys on the leeward side of them relatively dry. Another example of this is the OR coast ranges which get 60-120 inches of precipitation, while more inland protected valleys like Portland get only 30-40 inches tops, until it picks up again on the windward cascades.


Camping toothpaste and bears/cougars

I'll be wild camping in a place on the border of mountain lion ranges but it's very common for them to wander into the area I'll be.

I'm not bringing any food since I plan to eat fish. So the only odor shit I'll have is toothpaste. So should I bring baking soda? Does that have any smell affect on mountain lions? I'm not going to be in grizzly country so mountain lions are the main concern.

>>2732383
You will not be attacked by a mountain lion.

>>2732383
I wouldn't worry about it. Just keep it in a double set of zip locks and you'll be fine. Typically they won't go for anything if you (and preferably some extra buddies) are around. Just make sure that if you're fishing, you don't get the guts on your clothes or gear, since that definitely will draw them.
>>2732393
He isn't asking about defense. He's asking about them rummaging through his shit, which is a real and common concern. You'd know this if you went outside.

>>2732412
>which is a real and common concern.

No it isn't. Maybe if you abandon your campsite, but if people are there, cougars won't be.

>>2732383
It's well known that Bears and Mountain Lions can smell toothpaste from well over a mile away. I wouldn't take my chances.

>>2732416
>>2732383
Just bring whiskey instead.

You are also in moose territory, while food will not necessarily attract them they are far more dangerous than a mountain lion. In my opinion more dangerous than a brown bear as well. No thanks to seeing a moose on the trail up close.

M8 you fucken stink to a wild animal regardless of what you've got in your backpack.

>>2732444
It’s hard to believe that mad lads bow hunt those Goliaths. A pissed off moose is menacing.

Unless they are rabid, cougars don't really give a shit about you and will avoid you. I got caught between my truck and front door with a cat crossing my yard about 15 feet away. He gave me that creepy witch screaming hiss thing they do. My nuts were in my throat, but he turned and walked off. Hiking I've seen a few in the trees and they just eyeball you. Baking soda is a good choice anyway.

>>2732383
Why bring toothpaste? Just use the brush, floss, and water if you are paranoid.

>>2732383
black bears are a far bigger worry for smellables storage. I’m assuming there would be some because generally the ranges overlap. mountain lions do not give a fuck about our food, or us in general.

BUT i would not care at all about toothpaste. I never put that shit or my chapsticks or sunscreen or whatever other non-food smellables in a bear can or anything. preventing access to any smellables is really only an issue in places with serious bear problems, like campground in national parks in the sierras.
far more of a concern is any of your cooking/eating stuff that has fish smell, but again way more of a concern for bears than mountain lions.

ultimately I’ve never known anyone to take precautions for mountain lions, only bears.

>>2732444
How is a moose dangerous? Just stand behind a tree?

>>2732773
>ends statements with question marks
>woman logic
Checks out

>>2732412
>I wouldn't worry about it.
yeah ok i know what you're up to

>>2732383
Way better to bring your own vac sealed de-hydrated meals than fish freshly caught.

The fish oils will persist. Chili mac with water aroma flees.

Good luck avoiding critters, anon. You'll need the luck.


Hi /out/. I humbly seek feedback on new gear acquisition. It has been many years since ive done anything outdoors related. I got stuck in my city after covid and never made a real attempt to change that until now. I have done one overnight backpacking trip years ago along with previous camping. I want to get back into backpacking, camping and thru hiking. My short term goal is to do various day trips and get comfortable with overnight stuff. My ultimate goal is to survive in the wild for up to two weeks. I live in the southwest. Im willing to spend more upfront for gear that will last a long time in nearly every weather condition.

Shelter:
Tent
>Durston X Mid 2
Sleeping bag
>Nemo forte
Sleeping pad
>nemo tensor extreme

Food:
>Pathfinder M40 cook set
>alcohol stove
>canister stove
>homemade MREs and camping meals

Water:
>sawyer squeeze
>sawyer one gallon gravity bag
>canteens
>camelback

Fire:
>cheap ferro rod
>lighter
>cotton balls with vaseline

Aside from this I plan on getting sunjack solar panels and power banks with their light stick. I need to get other various things like clothing, a backpack, knives, first aid kit, multitool, navigation etc. I also want to learn skills like fishing, hunting and trapping for small game. Specifically rabbits and quail.

Sounds like you're more prepared than most people who come here. Good work mate go get it done.

>>2732214
I can only think of a few bits that you might want.
>sponge. for condensation/desert water collection
>tin pot. for charcloth making/storage
>salt. for electrolytes
>wire, line/hooks and paracord. hunting, fishing respectively
>duct tape. for repairs

I'm in a similar boat, gone on plenty of day trips but now planning more overnights. You learn a lot from experience, you will make mistakes no matter how much you plan so it's important to just get out. Couple of things I learned:
>don't bring overly dry food or food that can go stale (like bread), this will make you more thirsty
>bring some fresh fruit, you'd be surprised how amazing it is to have an apple or orange on a long day
>bring extra water for your first few trips, it will be heavier but you will quickly learn how much water you need
>don't underestimate how cold or sunny it can get, i'd recommend bringing less total clothes but more that you can mix/layer together to avoid freezing your ass like i did a couple of times, or getting sun burn because you didn't bring a hat/long sleeves

I just ordered the x-mid as well. One problem I had with my previous pole tent was sliding around so much because of plastic pads on plastic floors on plastic footprints etc. Would recommend either bringing a very thin layer of eva foam to put under your sleeping pad to stop it sliding around or what I did was apply stripes of seam sealer to the underside of my sleeping pad.

REI has a big sale so I was able to get some of these on a discount

>>2732214
Pretty solid kit, I would just say be open to a hot tent too. My first set was a regular tent but I had experience with hot tents in the Marines. Pretty quick I changed over to a titanium wood stove and hot tent. Gave me extra control over the internal temperature and the option to cook inside (fantastic when you are in a fly-riddled area). It's also nice using the wood stove + folding saw for infinite fuel.

>>2732214
My best suggestion is to resist the urge to overpack. I carry one stove, two lighters, one high-walled frying pan & one long spoon. One sawyer squeeze and a separate gallon reservoir. One good knife, no multitool, few bits of duct tape & cord for fixes. After a trip, inventory what you didn't use and leave it behind the next time. Exceptions are emergency items: warm clothes, compass, mirror, trauma kit.

I lost my knife mid-trip once & made it the last few days using granite flakes to clean fish. You find ways to make do.


mountain thread

so i was just reading about how Mount Mckinley is the biggest mountain in the world base to summit because everest and several others bases are super high above sea level. what other mountains would be the tallest this way (obviously not that hawaiian silly shit thats underwater) as a hiker the height base to summit is alot more important than just plain altitude

>>2732435
>a hiker the height base to summit is alot more important than just plain altitude

This is kinda true but not entirely. As there is a huge physical difference between hiking at 6000m and hiking at 8000m.

Also most Denali climbers cheat and fly into the glacier basecamp at 7000ft elevation instead of approaching purely on foot.

>>2732439
yeah i understand the oxygen part is what makes everest so difficult and other super high altitude peaks

> as a hiker the height base to summit is alot more important than just plain altitude

spoken like someone who has never experienced the difference in going up 2000m when starting from 0, 2000, 4000, or 6000m. 0 to 2000m shares nothing in common with 6000 to 8000 or 7000 to 8800. there's a reason 8000m+ is called the death zone. just being there will kill an average person in a few minutes, and even for the fittest people you get about 24 hours before you die from lack of oxygen.

Tallest mountain is in Hawaii under the sea and the difference between being under the sea and being 10000 ft above it is huge. You clearly have not been under the sea.

>>2732439
Most Everest approaches start at even higher elevation than 2000m, some of the base towns are higher than 2000m. Elevation is not everything (it isn't unimportant either), there are world class technical climbs below 20k ft (even below 15k ft) all over the world, and elsewhere in Alaska itself. For example the most prominent mountain in the world by topographic relief immediately from sea level to its peak that is visible from the sea is also in Alaska, Mount Saint Elias, from sea to peak it rises its full 18,000 feet in less than 11 miles as the crow flies. Elias beats out several other peaks of the Andes in sea to peak climb directly and is acknowledged as having the most relief of any peak on Earth within the shortest distance (within 10 nautical miles, some of the Andean ones are 20 nautical miles from the sea and have subranges in front of them, blocking their view from the sea). Some people also will not be able to acclimate to even 15,000 feet well at all, and technically anything over about 3k m (10,000 ft) can cause potentially dangerous mountain sickness in some individuals, even with acclimatization. People living above 4k m in the Andes and the Tibetan plateau and Nepal are literally built different, smaller frames and significantly more efficient blood oxygen utilization.

>>2732435
Are you chuldpilled? It's Denali, not McKinley.

>>2734338
Yeah, Denali is the better name. Sounds cooler and literally means 'the tall one' vs. the name of a man who never even went to Alaska.


brussels urbex

hey /out/
so,me and my friends are about to have our finals so we thought it would be a great idea to do something stupid before going back to studying 24/7

 we wanted to do a great urbex so if some of you guys know some great urbex spots/scary places to go explore in brussels and it’s periphery it’d be great!

 im ready to trade infos about other places we found in exchange of whatever urbex/place you have!
thanks

>>2732447
As far as Brussels unfortunately I can't help you because I live in Wisconsin... but do post photos please. I like scary places.

>>2732447
Break into the NAVO HQ. I heard it's pretty cool.

>>2732447
No offence m8, I've never been to Bruxlles however as a citizen of the EU I feel obligated to say this:
I hope that you organize a urbex in the European Parliament with your muslim fundamentalist buddies and so what muslims do best.... The EU wants to conserve nature and that is a noble goal, however they want to restrict citizens access to said nature and they actively invest in cucked technology that tracks people in the woods. They hate the thought of WILD nature, they want everything curated, measured and surveyed.
I hate the technocratic establishment of that cucked mussel slurping, potato frying, chocolate decorating country of yours.
From the bottom of my heart,
Carpathiananon

>>2733646
Stfu and don't make this about politics you disgusting nigger.
It's just coincidence that this anon is from Brussels, it has nothing to do with your eastern European inferiority complex about getting buckbroken by fascist Muslim globohomos of the European Parliament.
Get over it Ivan.

>>2733649
Stay out of this, ami
I only talked bout the convergence of politics and the outdoors, which is allowed. Some time ago there even was a forest janny hate thread.
>eastern European inferiority complex
Regarding what? Are we inferior in all capitalist-liberal metrics? Sure, that's not a complex it is objective reality.
Though having a private hike in western Europe is impossible... too many people, no wild nature. So from that perspective, EE is objectively superior.
Enjoy the outdoors ami, don't give these fucking pencil-pushers a fucking inch.

>>2733659
>tell me you've never been /out/ in western Europe without telling me you've never been /out/ in western Europe

>>2733660
I currently live in the Black Forest so....

>>2733659
>having a private hike in western Europe is impossible... too many people, no wild nature
if you have an iq below room temperature, yeah sure

>>2733666
I mean it is true, even on a work day you are going to meet a bunch of people here. Going on a trail on weekends guarantees that you'll meet at least 100 loud germs.
The amount of roads and paths in the woods here is so dense that you literally can't get lost, just look through google maps on satellite view... It is not comparable to the Carpathians.

>>2733673
Heck, they even have asphalted bike paths in the woods.... asphalt in the fucking woods, for a bike path. If you call that wild, then buddy return to your pod and munch on some cricket bars.

>>2733675
>Ivan stumbles drunkenly in a park and is shocked by it's level of maintenance
Next time try to go outside of the city if you want to experience nature, maybe?

>>2732447
belgian anon here. There isn't much urbex to do in Brussels itself besides trashed and graffitied houses or spots. At the end of the day it's the capital which needs more and more housing. I suggest you go to the Liège abandoned factory (the famous one), although I don't know it's current state. It's being demolished slowly so idc how much is left. I spent a whole day there just exploring and climbing ontop of chimneys.
You could also to the charleroi cooling tower, but I again can't give you any because I haven't been there in a while.
My point is: go to the the poor's region (Wallonië) and urbex is pretty ease

>>2733673
guess how many people i met here

>>2733673
>even on a work day you are going to meet a bunch of people here. Going on a trail on weekends guarantees that you'll meet at least 100 loud germs.
you sound like a room temperature iq that goes to the top 10 google searches

>>2734015
it's crazy how localized the hiking crowds are, at any given day you can have a trail with hundreds of people on it while another one that 10km away is completely empty just because it doesn't appear on online guides and instagram posts

>>2732447
The Church infront of gare de boisfort, you'll have to enter through the roof using the scaffolding outside though. The abandoned power plant in Charleroi, and the countless abandoned subway stations there are amazing and worth the day trip.
Also If you are into leftist/alternative circles, there are lots of squat houses where they organizes party. Went to a rave a few years back in a huge abandoned police station in Evere.

>>2732447
try this site Many places are referenced on
https://urbexology.com/

>>2732447
Do you have any advice on finding abandoned places?

>>2734036
word of mouth, online, walking around and saving places where you come across abandoned shit for later


Roast my potatoes

/out/ told me my potato patch sucks, you said it needed more compost. out btfo

>>2732426
You know you have to "hill" them, right?

>>2732434
been hilled twice, i planted them in furrows
>>2732446
they are planted in 50% oak leaves faggot

>>2732453
I don't think you're supposed to stop hilling them but what do I know.

>>2732459
they are kennebec potatoes and a Norwegian told me it was pointless to hill them anyway

Last years (i think) at a trailer in florida. The roaches made fine fertilizer