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"content": "Welcome to the Third Row Tesla podcast. My name is Sofiaan Fraval and today, we have a very special guest. But before I introduce our special guest, I’m going to go through and introduce our crew, so, our regular Third Row Tesla podcast crew. Today we have Omar Qazi ‘Tesla Truth’, and we have Kristen ‘K10’,and we got Vincent Yu from ‘Tasmanian’. And then we got Galileo Russell from ‘HyperChange’, and then we got Viv, who’s ‘Falcon Heavy’. Alright. Omar, do you want to introduce our guest?\nPlease welcome the inventor of the car fart, Elon Musk.",
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"content": "Thank you. Please put that on my gravestone.",
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"content": "Covered that. That one.",
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"content": "We literally just answered that.",
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"content": "Yeah. Oh, I saw a cathode durability question. Let’s go to that one, go down, go down, go down. Good technical question. Keep going.\n(reads aloud a question from saytechnologies.com)\nHow are you going to address the cathode durability & cost & environmental impact trifecta? Is this something you are going to leave the upstream supply chain to solve?\nNo, I think we tried to answer that directly. I mean, we really are looking at not just what happens in the cathode facility, but currently outside the cathode facility that should really be inside and removing processes that shouldn’t have been there in the first place and the use of reagents that are just costly and not necessary and removing a bunch of wastewater from the process.",
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"content": "(addressing the team on stage)\nGuys, is there anything you want to add to … Maybe we can go through everyone and maybe say what you’re doing and say a few words. I don’t know.\nSpeaker A on stage:\nSure. I just want to reiterate the fact that this is a massive problem.\nMassive problem.\nSpeaker A on stage:\nAnd it seems like Tesla’s on its way and ahead, but we need everybody’s help because it’s everybody’s planet, and we’re not going to get to 20 terawatt-hours by ourselves. So please think about this carefully, as it affects everybody, so let’s get on it.\nYeah. And obviously, if you care about solving sustainability and doing hardcore engineering, definitely come work for Tesla.\nSpeaker B on stage:\nYeah. We went through a couple of the manufacturing improvements, and it kind of looks easy when you put together a nice slide deck, but it’s super challenging. When you take materials out of the process, when you integrate processes together, you have to do a lot of things at once, and that’s like this immense engineering challenge. And so to appreciate that, to get through this, we need the best engineers we’ve got. And we’ve got this awesome team. I just want to shout out also to all of our team watching, you guys are awesome, you absolutely kicked ass putting this together.",
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"content": "And even to get the fuel to combustion in the first place and get it to the end use, there’s a lot lost along the way. I mean, this is the primary energy consumption, 165 petawatt hours a year. Petawatt hour is a trillion kilowatt hours, so it’s a large amount of energy. But the nice thing about an electrified economy – there’s a better way, we’re going to talk about it – is that through end-use efficiency and through efficiency along every step of the way, actually, the total energy use halves. So, one of the most enabling aspects of electrifying everything is that the sustainable energy economy is that much easier to accomplish. It’s actually half the problem statement of the fossil fuel economy.",
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"content": "And we’re being conservative here. It could be better than a half. But we’re trying to have assumptions that are reasonable and not overly optimistic, in fact, slightly pessimistic. It’s really better than half, but just say for… it’s easy to make the argument that we need half as much energy with an electric economy versus a combustion economy.",
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"content": "So, how the master plan works? You want to talk…?",
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"content": "The thing that is needed in a very large scale that is not currently present is a vast amount of battery energy storage. Our rough calculations are that this is about 240 terawatt hours, or 240,000 gigawatt hours. This is a lot of batteries, but it is actually a very achievable amount. We’ll go into details on that. So that’s a combination of electric vehicles and stationary storage. If you’ve got solar or wind, you’ve got to store the energy when the wind is not blowing or the sun is not shining. We’re assuming sort of an eight-to-one ratio of stored energy to power, so 30 terawatts of power. Our actual capital expenditure calculation for manufacturing investment is more like 6 trillion, but we made it higher to make it 10 trillion.",
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"content": "It really is. Yeah. It’s an art form as well. It’s like fine food, it’s a delicious sandcastle. It’s temporary. It doesn’t last very long. But there’s something about it that’s very pleasing.",
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"content": "Yeah. I don’t know what advice to give, maybe having tasty food but smaller amounts of it.",
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"content": "Yeah. And I think regulated feeding windows, really the way to go, some sort of an intermittent fasting approach. When I started doing that, I found myself to be quite a bit healthier. When I’ve deviated from that, I’ve gained weight.",
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"content": "So, what…",
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"content": "Let me ask you this then. There’s a difference between saying, I don’t care if anyone likes me or they hate me. But given your power and given what you have amassed and the importance you have, I would think you want to be trusted. I would think maybe you don’t need to be liked or hated, but trusted matters. If X is going to become a financial platform where people are going to put their money, where the government’s going to give you money for rockets, people are going to get into the cars. They need to ultimately decide that you are… They don’t have to say that they love you, but that you are ultimately a decent and good human being.",
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"content": "Yes. I mean, I think I am, but I’m certainly not going to do some sort of tap dance to prove to people that I am. So as for trust, I mean I think we break that down in a few ways. If you want satellites sent to orbit reliably, SpaceX will do 80% of all mass to orbit this year. China will do 12%. The rest of the world will do eight. That includes Boeing, Lockheed, and everyone else. So the track record of the rocket is the best by far of anything. You could hate my guts. You could not trust me. It is irrelevant. The rocket track record speaks for itself. With respect to Tesla, we make the best cars. Whether you hate me, like me or indifferent, do you want the best car or do you not want the best car? So I will certainly not pander. And Jonathan, the only reason I’m here is because you are a friend. What was my speaking fee?",
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"content": "You’re not making any… First of all, I’m Andrew, but-",
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"content": "Yeah, sorry.",
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"content": "Yep, that’s true. And actually, you tweeted earlier today something about there’s gonna be dumb things coming in months. I assume that is…",
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"content": "I mean, obviously, the intent is not to do dumb things. We’re not aspirationally dumb. We’re aspirationally, you know, not dumb. But despite the effort to aspirationally not being dumb, we will still do dumb things. And there’s some element here of “nothing ventured, nothing gained.” If we do not try bold moves, how will we make great improvements? So we have to try, we have to be adventuresome here. And then, I think, we can make some really big leaps and have radical improvements. But these come with some risk. But the key is to be extremely agile if we do make a dumb move, or when we make a dumb move, because we’re not going to always to knock the ball out of the park. But when we make a dumb move, we correct it quickly. That’s what really matters.",
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"content": "Yeah, well, and we’re, for the record, like we’re seeing, you know, record-breaking user growth on the platform since you took the keys. So that’s excellent. And there’s been a lot of conversation around Vine. Can you just talk about some of the stuff you’re really excited about from a product perspective? Aside from, you know, we’ve already talked about subscriptions, but like, what else? You know, you’ve said to me, to the organization before about video and all those kinds of things. So, talk a little bit about that.",
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"content": "Yep, video is definitely an area where Twitter has been historically weak, and it is an area that we’re going to invest in tremendously. I did ask people like, what if there was Vine. Not that we would want to resurrect Vine in its original state, but just would they want a Vine-like thing. But a reimagined for the future. And people were excited about that.\nOne of the things when if somebody does become sort of paid blue verified is that they will be able to initially use or download 10 minutes of high-def video, which will be expanding to 42 minutes soon. And then several hours, as we sort of fix a bunch of stuff on the back-end servers. There are a bunch of fundamental technology architecture changes that are needed for Twitter in order to support a significant video. So we’ve got to make those core software upgrades, and server upgrades in order to support a large amount of video, but we are absolutely going to do that.\nIt’s kind of a no-brainer. We also need to enable monetization of content for creators. And if we provide creators with the ability to post what they create on our platform, and to monetize it at a rate that is at least competitive with the alternatives, then of course creators will natively post their content on Twitter, why not? So those are kind of no-brainer moves.\nThen also key of verification, paid verified, is now we know that this is someone who has been authenticated by the payment system, by the sort of conventional payment system. Now we can say like, “Okay, you’ve got a balance on your account. Do you want to send money to someone else within Twitter?”\nAnd maybe we prepopulate their account and say, okay, we’re gonna give you 10 bucks, and you can send it anywhere within Twitter. If you want to get it out of the system, then, okay, well, now you send it to your bank account. So now attach an authenticated bank account to your Twitter account. Then the next step would be, let’s offer an extremely compelling money market account, so you get extremely high yield on your balance. Then why not move cash into Twitter? Great, that sounds like good idea. And then add debit cards, checks and whatnot. Just basically make the system as useful as possible. The more useful and entertaining it is, the more people will use it.",
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"content": "But then there’s this.",
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"content": "I voted for Obama. I stood in line for six hours to shake Obama’s hand. Okay?",
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"content": "Okay. So let me just ask on a personal level, I can see it in your face, this hurt you personally.",
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"content": "And it hurt the company, too, and it was an insult to … Tesla has 140,000 employees. Half of them are in the United States. Tesla has created more manufacturing jobs than everyone else combined.",
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"content": "It’s very fun.",
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"content": "Yeah. It’s like having your own roller coaster on tap.",
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"content": "It really is like a roller coaster on tap. Without the loop-de-loops. But, the pinning to your seat, it seems like you’re not supposed to be able to experience that from some sort of a consumer vehicle that a regular person could buy if you have the money. It seems too crazy. And then the idea that this Roadster is a half of a second faster than that? That’s madness.",
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"content": "Well, with a Roadster, we’re going to do some things that are kind of unfair. So we’re going to take some things from Cadillac rocket world and put them on a car, so.",
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"content": "Do you regret any of it or not? You are kind of prominent.",
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"content": "I mean, sure.",
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"content": "Walk us through when you decide to do a tweet. Do you go ‘no, no, no – yes’?",
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"content": "I think about it for hours. And I consult with my strategy team.",
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"content": "And so here’s Ilya, apparently, saying something is very wrong.",
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"content": "I think we should be concerned about this because I think Ilya actually has a strong moral compass. He really sweats it over questions of what is right. And if Ilya felt strongly enough to want to fire Sam, well, I think the world should know what was that reason.",
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"content": "Have you talked to him?",
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"content": "I’ve reached out, but he doesn’t want to talk to anyone.",
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"content": "Okay.",
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"content": "So we’re just going over time.",
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"content": "Okay. All right, I understand that. So you said you were born that way. Do you think that the way that you see the world has to do with your relationship with anyone, perhaps your father or someone in your family?",
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"content": "I think we’re all affected by the people we grew up with. My aspiration is to do whatever it takes to extend consciousness into the future. That’s my goal, to make life multi-planetary as part of extending consciousness into the future.",
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"content": "So find the words that are exactly the same, and now you start to understand Cyrillic, yeah.",
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"content": "If you can sound it out, then it’s much… there’s at least some commonality of words.",
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"content": "What about the culture? You love great engineering, physics. There’s a tradition of the sciences there. When you look at the 20th century, from rocketry… you know, some of the greatest rockets, some of the space exploration has been done in the former Soviet Union. Do you draw inspiration from that history? Just how this culture, that in many ways… I mean, one of the sad things is, because of the language, a lot of it is lost to history. Because it’s not translated, all those kinds of… because it is in some ways an isolated culture, it flourishes within its borders. Do you draw inspiration from those folks from the history of science engineering there?",
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"content": "I mean, the Soviet Union, Russia, and Ukraine, as well, have a really strong history in spaceflight. Some of the most advanced impressive things in history were done by the Soviet Union. So one cannot help but admire the impressive rocket technology that was developed. After the sort of fall of Soviet Union there’s much less that happened. Still things are happening, but it’s not quite at the frenetic pace that was happening before the Soviet Union kind of dissolved into separate republics.",
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"content": "Yeah, half these people don’t even work here. They’re just like…",
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"content": "Right. It’s, I think, very impressive thing you’re doing to spread knowledge and understanding throughout the world.",
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"content": "The universe soon if you hold up your end of the bargain.",
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"content": "It’s actually kind of funny. If you think, what is education? Like you’re basically downloading data and algorithms into your brain. And it’s actually amazingly bad in conventional education. Because like it shouldn’t be like this huge chore. You’re making it way, way better. But I think a lot of things that I would say you’ve probably heard 100 times. And, in fact, if not doing, the more you can game-ify the process of learning, the better. For my kids, I do not have to encourage them to play video games. I have to like pry them from their hands, like crack.",
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"content": "I would say that too, but I’ve never meditated to the level that some of these people have where they’re constantly meditating all day. They don’t have any material possessions. And all of their energy is spent trying to achieve a certain mindset. I would like to cynically deny that. I’d like to cynically say, „Hey, just fuck and think the same way I do.“ They’re just hanging out with flip-flops on and make weird noises, but maybe no.",
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"content": "You know, I know a lot of people like weed, and that’s fine, but I don’t find that it is very good for productivity.",
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"content": "For you.",
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"content": "Not for me.",
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"content": "My concern is not so much what Instagram is. It’s that I didn’t think that people had the need for this or the expectation for some sort of technology that allows them to constantly get love and adulation from strangers, and comments, and this ability to project this sort of distorted version of who you really are.\nBut I worry about where it goes. Like, what’s the next one? What’s the next one? Like, where is it? Is it going to be augmented to some sort of a weird augmented or virtual sort of Instagram type situation where you’re not going to want to live in this real world, you’re going to want to interface with this sort of world that you’ve created through your social media page and some next-level thing.",
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"content": "Yeah. Go live in the simulation.",
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"content": "Some ‘\nReady Player One\n’ type shit that’s real. That seems — we have that\nHTC Vive\nhere. I’ve only done it a couple of times, quite honestly, because it kind of freaks me out.",
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"content": "Sure.",
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"content": "Let’s talk about something else. Narendra Modi, the BBC did a documentary about Narendra Modi and his leadership during the rise in Gujarat. We then believe that some of those content was taken off Twitter. Was that at the behest of the Indian government?",
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"content": "I’m not aware of that particular situation.",
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"content": "So you’re not sure?",
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"content": "I don’t know about that, what exactly happened with some content situation in India. The rules in India for what can appear on social media are quite strict, and we can’t go beyond the laws of a country.",
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"content": "Yours seems to.",
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"content": "Most stocks have gone up, including some questionable stocks, frankly.",
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"content": "Are you talking about yourself? I’m sorry. Are you surprised by how much it’s gone up?",
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"content": "I mean, I have literally gone on record and said, I think our stock price is too high, in my opinion – and this did nothing to stop the rise in the stock price. So what am I supposed to do, you know, I’m not the one making it to go up. But I think it’s important to (…) my actual tax rate is 53%. They’re trying to make it sound like, basically, there was a big increase in the value of the Tesla stock, and then they added up… – They’re just very selectively poked at the numbers to make it sound like I was paying very low taxes. But in fact, my taxes are very high. They’re like, over half.",
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"content": "When would be your guess when that happens?",
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"content": "Well, I made a bet with someone about three years ago that it would be sooner than 20 years. So it’s 17 years from now. But that’s conservative. I think it’s probably maybe 13 or 14 years.",
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"content": "Wow. Right when we’re going to Mars.",
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"content": "Right.",
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"content": "Right. “You will make history”.",
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"content": "“But it will be glorious”.",
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"content": "Right. So on that kind of launch rate, you’re talking about over two decades, you could get your million people to Mars, essentially. Whose city is it? Is it NASA’s city, is it SpaceX’s city?",
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"content": "It’s the people of Mars’ city. The reason for this… I mean, I have to say, like, I feel like well, why do this thing? I think this is important for maximizing the probable lifespan of humanity or consciousness. Human civilization could come to an end for external reasons, like a giant meteor, or super volcanoes, or extreme climate change, or World War III, or, you know, any one of a number of reasons. But the probable life span of civilizational consciousness as we know it, which we should really view as this very delicate thing, like a small candle in a vast darkness. That’s what appears to be the case. We’re in this vast darkness of space, and there’s this little candle of consciousness that’s only really come about after four and a half billion years. And it could just go out.",
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"content": "My first guest is the man who made electric cars a thing, and is currently working on perfecting reusable rockets, space travel, connecting the human brain directly to computers, connecting cities with electromagnetic bullet trains, the Starlink satellite system that’s so important to the war in Ukraine, and then, on Tuesday, is going to work on this tunnel thing, on traffic. He also tweets a lot. Elon Musk, ladies and gentlemen.\n(Elon enters the stage)\nLook at you.Did I get the full order of things that you do in a day there? When I was reading there, I left out the tunnel thing at the end.",
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"content": "I do a lot of jobs.",
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"content": "Do you do all these things every day? Do you work on all of them in a single day?",
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"content": "No. But I do have a long work day. Yeah, so I work a lot.",
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"content": "I hope not. You think it’ll always-",
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"content": "There will always be war. There’s a question of just how much war and there’s sort of the scope and scale of war. But to imagine that there would not be any war in the future, I think would be a very unlikely outcome.",
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"content": "Yeah. You talked about the Culture series. There’s war even there.",
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"content": "Yes. It’s a giant war. The first book starts off with a gigantic galactic war where trillions die trillions.",
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"content": "Right. So you were still trying to get out of it and then you just were advised by lawyers, “Look, you’re going to have to buy this.”",
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"content": "Yes.",
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"content": "Interesting. So you didn’t actually want to purchase it even when you said you were go-",
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"content": "Well not at that price. I think the analogy is pretty close. Let’s say there’s a warehouse full of goods. They say less than 5% of what’s in the warehouse is broken. Then you walk into warehouse and say, “Actually it’s 25%.” So you might still want to buy what’s in that warehouse, but probably at a lower price. You’re not buying the stuff that’s broken.",
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"content": "And they are all gone.",
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"content": "In three – I think, four days? They were sold out in four days.",
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"content": "Are you going to do another run?",
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"content": "No.",
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"content": "It’s just, I mean, once you enjoy the\nDoctor Manhattan\nlifestyle, once you become a god seems very unlikely you’re going to want to go back to being stupid again. I mean, you literally could fundamentally change the way human beings interface with each other.",
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"content": "Yes. You wouldn’t need to talk.",
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"content": "I’m so scared of that, but so excited about it at the same time. Is that weird?",
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"content": "Yeah, I think this is one of the paths to think like what are… Like AI is getting better and better. Now let’s assume it’s sort of like a benign AI scenario. Even in a benign scenario, we’re kind of left behind. We’re not along for the ride. We’re just too dumb.",
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"content": "Do you have an app that works with your solar panels or anything like that?",
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"content": "Yeah, we do.But we need to hook it into the air conditioning to really make the air conditioning work.",
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"content": "Have you thought about creating an air conditioning system? I know you have. Trick question.",
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"content": "Cannot answer questions about the future of potential products.",
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"content": "I know there’s debate about that.",
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"content": "He was using non-public information combined with public information.",
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"content": "Do you think that you gave yourself favorable treatment there? That’s the criticism on that.",
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"content": "No, it’s just realtime doxing is not allowed.",
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"content": "Right.",
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"content": "…it’s going to be pretty intense.",
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"content": "Yeah, we’re a weird thing, you know. And I’ve often wondered if whether or not we’re – you know, our ultimate goal is to give birth to some new thing. And that’s why we’re so obsessed with technology. Because it’s not like this technology is really…- I mean, it’s certainly enhancing our lives in a certain way, but, I mean, ultimately, is it making people happier right now? Most technology, I would say, no. In fact, you and I were talking about social media before this, about just not having Instagram on your phone and not dealing, and you feel better.",
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"content": "Yes, I think, one of the issues with social media, it’s been pointed out by many people, is that I think, maybe particularly Instagram – people look like they have a much better life than they really do.",
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"content": "Is that really how you think? Like, I’d be better off planning on a trip to Mars or getting people to Mars?",
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"content": "Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, you can only do so many things.",
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"content": "Right. Well, I don’t know how you do what you do anyway. I don’t understand how you can run The Boring Company, Tesla, SpaceX, all these different things you’re doing constantly. I don’t understand. I mean, you explained last time you were here how you sort of allocate your time and how hectic it is and insane. I still don’t… the productivity is baffling. It just doesn’t make sense how you can get so much done.",
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"content": "Well, I think I do have high productivity, but even with that, there’s still some opportunity cost of time and allocating time to building a house, even if it was a really great house, it still is not a good use of time relative to developing the rockets necessary to get us to Mars and helping solve sustainable energy. SpaceX and Tesla are by far the most amount of brain cycles. The Boring Company does not take… it’s like less than 1% of brain cycles. And then Neuralink, which is, I don’t know, maybe it’s like 5% and then…",
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"content": "Do you — You have an old car, don’t you? Don’t you have an old Jaguar?",
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"content": "Yeah. How do you know that? I have a ’61 series 1 E-Type Jaguar.",
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"content": "I love cars.",
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"content": "It’s great.",
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"content": "No, I’m not saying anything. I’m saying-",
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"content": "I’m just curious. I’m trying to understand what you mean by “hateful content.” And I’m asking for specific examples. And you just said that if something is slightly sexist, that’s hateful content. Does that mean that it should be banned?",
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"content": "Well, you’ve asked me whether my feed, whether it’s got less or more. I’d say it’s got slightly more.",
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"content": "That’s why I’m asking for examples. Can you name one example?",
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"content": "But even getting to the point that you’re launching rockets. I don’t even how do you get there? One, how did you decide it? And then what did you do on day one? Like, who did you call? Did you write a plan? Did you start…I don’t even know.",
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"content": "Actually, the origin of SpaceX is that I was trying to figure out why we had not sent any people to Mars. Because the obvious next step after Apollo was to send people to Mars. But what, in fact, happened was that we sent a few people to the moon, and then we didn’t send anyone after that to the moon or Mars or anything. But if you’d asked people in 1969 what would 2013 look like, they would have said, there will be a base on the moon. We would have least sent some people to Mars. And maybe there would even be a base on Mars. There would be like orbiting space hotels. And there would be all this awesome stuff in space. That’s what people expected.\nAnd if you said, well, actually, the United States in 2013 will not be able to send anyone to orbit. But I’ll tell you what will exist is that there will be this device in your pocket that’s like the size of smaller than a deck of cards that has access to all the world’s information, and you can talk to anyone on planet Earth. Even if you’re in some remote village somewhere so long as there’s something called the internet – they wouldn’t know what that means, of course – then you would you be able to communicate with anyone instantly and have access to all of humanity’s knowledge. They would have said, like, bullshit. There’s no way that that’s going to be true.",
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"content": "Right. Right.",
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"content": "And yet we all have that. And space is not happening. So I was trying to figure out what was the deal here. This was 2001. It was just a friend of mine who asked me what am I going to do after PayPal. I said, well, you know, I’ve always been interested in space, but I don’t think there’s anything that an individual could do in space because it’s the province of government, and usually a large government. But I am curious as to when we’re going to send someone to Mars. So I went to the NASA website to try to figure out where is the place that tells you that. I couldn’t find that. I was like, either I’m bad at looking at the website, or they have a terrible website, because surely there must be a date.",
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"content": "But let’s stack up everything we just saw at the cell level. So just the cell form factor change enables a 14% $/kWh reduction, just that cell form factor change. And now that you’ve been teased on this factory, we’re going to go on and walk step-by-step through that factory and discuss a series of innovations there.\nWhen thinking about the ideal cell factory, we have inspirations behind us in the paper and bottling industry, wherefrom humble beginnings, over a century of innovation has enabled mass scale, continuous motion, unbelievably low manufacturing costs. And when we think about the lithium-ion industry, which is really only in its third decade of high-volume production, it has so far to go to achieve similar scale and simplicity. And that was the inspiration that we set out to the team as we thought about how to marry cell design and manufacturing in the best possible factory.\nAnd let’s talk a little bit about what’s in a cell factory. First, there’s an electrode process where the active materials are coated into films onto foils. Then those coated foils are wound in the winding process we just talked about where if you do have tabs, you have to start and stop a lot. Then the jelly roll is assembled into the can, sealed, filled with electrolyte, and then sent to formation where the cell is charged for the first time and where the sort of the electrochemistry is set and the quality of the cell is verified.\nAnd we set out at every step of this process to try to take that inspiration we just showed and think about how we make those processes fundamentally better and more scalable. And one of the most important processes is where it all begins, the wet process of the electrode coding. And just to give you all a sense of scale, I’m going to walk through what’s in that wet process.\nYou’ve got mixing where the powders are mixed with either a water or a solvent, solvents for the cathode. That mix then goes into a large coat and dry oven where the slurry is coated onto the foil, huge ovens, tens of meters long, dried, and that solvent then has to be recovered. You can see the solvent recovery system. And then, finally, the coated foil is compressed to the final density. And when you’re looking at this, you’re like, wow, that’s a lot of equipment for one step, especially when you consider that little spec next to the coating oven is a person. This is serious iron involved in making batteries.\nWouldn’t it be great if we could skip that solvent step, which is one of those dig a ditch, and then fill it kind of things where you put the solvent in and then take it out and recycle it, and just go straight to a dry mix to coat? And that’s what the dry process really is about. And in the most basic form, you can see it here on a benchtop, literally powder into film, as simple as that.",
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"content": "I mean, it’s hard actually, just to be clear. If this was easy, everyone would do it. It’s not like dry coating electrode is actually easy. It’s actually very hard to do what appears to be a simple thing. And it’s worth noting, we did acquire Maxwell a little over a year ago, I guess, and certainly a good company and everything. But the dry coating they had was like, it’s like a sort of, I would call proof of concept.\nSince the acquisition, we’ve actually ramped the machine that does dry coating four times, so a revision full post acquisition of the machine. And there’s still a lot of work to do. So I would not say this is completely in the bag. It’s still a lot of work to do. And as you grow, as you scale, go from benchtop to lab to pilot to volume production, there are actually major issues that you encounter at every level. It’s not like you make something work on your bench and bingo, now you can make a bazillion of it.",
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"content": "Absolutely.",
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"content": "It’s insanely difficult to scale up. Yeah.",
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"content": "Well, whereas-",
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"content": "You’re in the computer.",
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"content": "You know, what defines where you are?",
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"content": "Exactly.",
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"content": "But Twitter is not doing bad, right. I mean, I saw today that Tucker Carlson, recently fired; you were just on his show, and he lost his job. So I hope this isn’t…\n(laughter)\n…you’re not the angel of death.",
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"content": "Exactly. I hope I’m not the Typhoid Mary of talk shows. ‘For some reason, people just get fired afterward?’",
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"content": "His rant yesterday, or today, on Twitter did more than every cable news monologue, something like that. Is that right?",
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"content": "Well, Twitter has a tremendous audience. So there’s 250 million people that spend an average of half an hour a day on Twitter. So it’s about 120 to 130 million user hours per day, and it’s been increasing. We didn’t do anything. To be clear, we did nothing special whatsoever. I learned about it afterwards that he had posted something on Twitter. It’s just that Twitter has a lot of people’s attention. And it tends to be the people that read a lot or are interested in current events and generally are pretty influential.",
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"content": "They let him go twice.",
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"content": "We had to capture-",
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"content": "The same seal?",
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"content": "No different seal.",
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"content": "Eventually.",
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"content": "It can play Crysis.",
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"content": "Cool, Crysis confirmed. And then Ian, what about the robot? What kind of programming languages and tech stacks are you using over there?\nI mean, sort of just reiterating what DJ said. So it doesn’t matter. Like specifically for us, it’s real-time low-level platform, C++, some Java and Python scripts. But really, those are more just like pragmatic choices to essentially optimize for getting productive work done. So it doesn’t really matter what your background is, or necessarily what the tools you use are; it’s more just, “Can you like accomplish things really quickly?”\nAwesome. This next question is from “This is Rex”. They’re wondering, “Can this device be used to explain consciousness?” In the long term, of course.",
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"content": "It can certainly shed some light on consciousness.",
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"content": "Slightly better?",
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"content": "Over time, yes.",
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"content": "You mean with future iterations?",
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"content": "Like the, you know, ‘\nSix Million Dollar Man\n’. Although these days, that doesn’t sound like much.",
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"content": "Is that a good thing?",
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"content": "Um, if it goes up, I suppose it is. But, I mean, I think there’s an always long-term role for crypto. You know, really, people should think of any kind of money system, whether it’s historic value or currency, as really a form of information. If you apply information theory to money, whether it’s cryptocurrency or some other form, and view it in terms of, you know, how good is it at sort of bandwidth, latency, jitter, dropping packets, which is like… fraud is like losing packets or something on the network – and, you know, it’s overall security – then I think a lot of these things just make a lot of sense in that regard. Like any form of money has no power in and of itself, except as an exchange of value between people for goods or services or to translate things in time, like a loan.",
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"content": "So is this the right thing for governments to do to take control of it? Is it possible?",
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"content": "It is not possible to, I think, destroy crypto, but it is possible for governments to slow down its advancement.",
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"content": "Maybe you should patent the idea, just have an AI fashion generator thing that prints them out and I think there’s craft or something, the clothing manufacturer thing that you can sort of do it at home. Patent that. You can make so much money.",
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"content": "Well, I don’t really believe in patents actually because-",
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"content": "Okay, make it open store.",
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"content": "But yeah, there’s really some amazing AI generator clothing. It’s really cool. And I really love that one with the Pope and that went viral. A lot of people thought that the Pope actually had that outfit, which is not totally out of the question because there’s a lot of amazing fashion in Italy. So it’s possible that some fashion house made a really epic coat for the Pope. But that was obviously AI generated. We’re headed into a weird world here.",
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"content": "And how much of that production hell like learnings have really enabled… – because one of the… – I don’t want to bring up capex, but one of my favorite things is the stats in the shareholder letter. It’s so much cheaper, not only faster; but it seems like you guys have learned so much from this – the Fremont factory – and that really enabled kind of a turbocharged build for Shanghai.",
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"content": "Yeah, I think the big difference is we are way less dumb than we were. The portions of capital expenditures was very high, and it’s less high now. And then the Shanghai factory, we designed out all of or as much of the foolishness as we could think of that exists at Fremont and Nevada. So we just made a lot of decisions that weren’t smart, and we designed those out, so such the production line is much simpler. It’s much simpler and better implemented.\nAnd then, we also found like, in most cases, the suppliers were more efficient in China as well than in the US. So we’ve also managed to get a lot more output from existing equipment in the US as well. The Model 3 bodyline in Fremont, for example, was only ever meant to do 5,000 cars, Model 3s, a week, and it’s doing 7,000 – and with turning off a bunch of unnecessary things that were being done. There was a lot of foolish things that we’re doing. And we’ve changed some of the designs and made it easier. It’s like hundreds of little things to make it easier to build. And so being able to get 40% more output of the same line, obviously, makes a big difference – and while reducing the marginal cost of production, and I think improving the quality of the car. So it’s all good stuff – the result of a ton of hard work by a lot of people.\nSo yeah, it was kind of necessary in that way that there was… – we didn’t really have a place to put a second Model 3 body line. So it’s like we either make this one go faster, or we will not be able to achieve production. But the Model 3 body line in Shanghai is much, much simpler than the one in – (…41:16) – because it has the same end result. It’s much easier to understand this, just getting rid of unnecessary movement. There’s a lot of unnecessary movement in the Fremont body line, but not in Shanghai.",
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"content": "You guys said in the production letter that you just started battery production in Shanghai too. And I heard that you guys were getting cells from CATL and LG Chem. Are the cells basically kind of a commodity part that you can assemble into your battery packs there, you know, does it make a difference? How do you see that long term?",
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"content": "I believe these cells are not yet from LG. We do expect to use locally produced cells. To be clear, I don’t always know exactly what’s going on everywhere in the 50,000 person company. Most of the things I say will be correct but maybe occasionally something that’s not. So, that’s my knowledge, we’re not yet using LG Chem cells, we’re using Panasonic cells made in Nevada.",
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"content": "Well, get ready for another one.",
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"content": "All right.",
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"content": "I’m sending it your way.",
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"content": "Cool.",
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"content": "You guys said in the production letter that you just started battery production in Shanghai too. And I heard that you guys were getting cells from CATL and LG Chem. Are the cells basically kind of a commodity part that you can assemble into your battery packs there, you know, does it make a difference? How do you see that long term?",
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"content": "I believe these cells are not yet from LG. We do expect to use locally produced cells. To be clear, I don’t always know exactly what’s going on everywhere in the 50,000 person company. Most of the things I say will be correct but maybe occasionally something that’s not. So, that’s my knowledge, we’re not yet using LG Chem cells, we’re using Panasonic cells made in Nevada.",
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"content": "But LG Chem can make pretty much the same cells as Panasonic.",
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"content": "Yes, but pretty much is not the same as same. There’s still a few bugs to work out with the LG Chem cells before we can use them in our module and battery pack production system. The CATL situation will be more of an integrated module than it will be a cell. It’s not super easy to replace these things. But we do expect to use CATL, we do expect to use LG. Currently, we’re using Panasonic. When I say ‘expect’ here, what I mean is like roughly a matter of months. So, by the middle of this year, we’ll probably be using both LG and CATL in volume.",
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"content": "How so?",
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"content": "Well, when we create a simulation like a game or a movie, it’s the distillation of what’s interesting about life. You know, it takes a year to shoot an action movie. And then, that’s all to slow down into two or three hours. So, let me tell you, if you see an action movie being filmed, it’s boring. It’s super boring.\nThere’s like lots of takes. Everything’s on a green screen. It looks pretty goofy. It doesn’t look cool. But once you had the CGI and have great editing, it’s amazing. So, I think, most likely, if we’re in a simulation, it’s really boring outside the simulation. Because why would you make a simulation that’s boring? You’d make simulation way more interesting than base reality.",
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"content": "That is if this right now is a simulation.",
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"content": "Yes.",
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"content": "Some of the biggest mistakes I’ve ever made. I’ve done that, particularly after comedy shows; if I’m starving, I’ll come home, and I’ll eat. And then I go to bed, and I just feel like shit, and I wake up in the middle of the night.",
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"content": "It’s going to crush your sleep, and it’s going to damage your pyloric sphincter and your esophagus. In fact, drinking and then going to sleep, that’s one of the worst things you could do. So just try to avoid drinking and eating…",
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"content": "Booze, drinking booze.",
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"content": "Yeah, exactly. Small amounts of alcohol, evidence suggests it doesn’t have a negative effect on…",
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"content": "(reads aloud a question from saytechnologies.com)\nHow have the technology advancements and increased vertical integration of battery manufacturing influenced your ability to improve the environmental and social impact of the supply chain?",
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"content": "We sort of have said that already.\n(to the person who’s in charge of the screen)\nDo we have some ability to scroll through this? Just scroll away.",
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"content": "We covered recycling.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah. Just scroll until we’ve got stuff that we haven’t covered.",
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"content": "Come on, man. You probably can’t because of stockholders, right?",
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"content": "I mean, it’s legal, right?",
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"content": "Totally legal. (\npasses Elon the joint\n)",
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"content": "Okay.",
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"content": "And it’s not just at the product level a better product, but in the factory, it’s a massive simplification. You saw the part removal; it’s casting machines, it’s the structural battery pack. So we’re looking at over 50% reduction in investment per GWh, 35% reduction in floor space. And we’ll continue to improve that as we make the vehicle factory of the future.",
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"content": "Yeah. So, major improvements on all fronts from the cell all the way to the vehicle.",
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"content": "And in addition to the improvements we just said on enabling additional range and improving the structural performance of the vehicle, it is worth another 7% $/kWh reduction at the battery pack level, bring our total reductions now to 56% $/kWh.\nAll right. So, stacking it up. We’re not just talking about cost or range. We’ve got to look at all the facets. So range increase, we’re unlocking up to 54% increase in range for our vehicles and energy density for our energy products. 56% reduction in $/kWh at the battery pack level, and a 69% reduction in investment per GWh, which is the true enabler when we talk back about how do we achieve this scale problem here.",
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"content": "Yeah. So I think it’s pretty nice that ‘investment per GWh’ reduction is 69%. I mean, who would have thought?",
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"content": "What’d you discuss?",
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"content": "Let’s just say, he did most of the talking.",
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"content": "What did he say?",
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"content": "The normal things he says, there was nothing particularly groundbreaking or new, but President Trump likes to talk and so he talked. I don’t recall him saying anything that he hasn’t said publicly, and that was it. It was just a breakfast.",
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"content": "Okay, that would be good for me. When you think about…",
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"content": "I do think that’s like an important thing for… If you think of the various great filters – few people are familiar with the sort of great filter I thought – one of the filters is ‘Do we become a multi-planet species or not?’ So that is at least one of the great filters, and it would be great to pass that and be a multi-planet species where the critical threshold is on for a Mars city. If the resupply ships from Earth stop coming for any reason, whether that is civilization on Earth, it could be a mundane reason or could be World War III – but does Mars prosper or die out?\nAnd if Mars is missing anything at all, like the civilizational equivalent of vitamin C, then it will eventually die out. So you need to get to the point where a Mars city is self-sustaining, even if the ships from Earth stop coming. Then you have passed the great filter or at least passed particularly that great filter. I think we should endeavor to pass that great filter as soon as possible.",
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"content": "When? You said ‘pretty soon’ last time we talked.",
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"content": "Yeah, I mean, I think we should really try hard to make it happen in this century; before the end of the century.",
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"content": "I know you have ludicrous mode. Do you have douchebag mode? It just cuts people off.",
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"content": "Well, for lane changes, it’s tricky because if you’re in like LA, like unless you’re pretty aggressive, right, it’s hard to change lanes sometimes.",
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"content": "You can’t. It’s hard to be ‘sat nam’. It’s hard to be ‘namaste’ out here in LA. If you want to hit that Santa Monica Boulevard off-ramp…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I mean, you’ve got to be a little pushy on the freeway.",
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"content": "This fucking podcast, dude, we’re talking about chimps every episode.",
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"content": "It’s chimp city? Okay.",
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"content": "People are laughing right now. Yeah, constantly, I’m obsessed. I saw that David Attenborough documentary on chimps where they were eating those colobus monkeys and ripping them apart.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yes, that’s rough. Gruesome.",
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"content": "Yeah. You can hear it, and it’ll play things back to you in whatever language you choose. So it’d be something along those lines? For the first few iterations?",
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"content": "Well, the first few iterations are… – what I’m talking about is in the limit over time, with a lot of development. The first few iterations, really, in the first few versions, all we’re going to be trying to do is solve brain injuries. So, don’t worry. It’s not going to sneak up on you. This will take a while.",
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"content": "How many years? Before you don’t have to talk.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "If the development continues to accelerate, then maybe five years. Five to 10 years.",
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"content": "What about the support though for the charging network? There are part of this bill…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Not necessary.",
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"content": "No?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "No, I mean, you know, do we need support for gas stations? We don’t. So there’s no need for support for a charging network. I would delete it. Bleep.",
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"content": "We have a few –\n(to the audience)\ndon’t take offense.",
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"content": "I mean, how many Ph.D. papers are actually used by someone ever?",
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"content": "That’s a good point.",
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"content": "Percentage-wise, it’s not good. It could have been one of those outcomes where you add some leaves to the tree of knowledge. And that leaf is, nope, it’s not possible. And there goes seven years of my life. That was one path. And I was prepared to do that.\nBut then the internet came along. And it was like, okay, the internet, I’m pretty sure success is one of the possible outcomes, and it seemed like I could either do a Ph.D. and watch the internet happen, or I could participate and help build in some fashion. I was just concerned with the idea of watching it happen. So I decided to put things on hold and start an Internet company. We worked on internet publishing software, maps, and directions, yellow pages, those kinds of things. And we had as investors and customers the media companies like the New York Times Company, Knight-Ridder…",
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"content": "Yeah, but how do you react to some, you know, the public opinions, skepticism? Because it seems a lot of people are watching you and say, well, let’s see how far this can go.",
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"content": "Well, I suppose there’s skepticism about anything new, that’s normal. And I mean, I’m not expecting that people will just believe me. But I think if you look at generally my predictions, they’re more often correct than they’re not. I mean, I’m really just talking about five years. You know, we’ll have affordable electric cars that go long ranges, and they will be autonomous.\n(03:50 – 05:23)\nA documentary sequence about Elon Musk in Chinese, translation not available",
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"content": "(refers to the sequence shown before)\nHow do you see that contradiction? How could you reconcile it?",
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"content": "It’s not exactly a contradiction because I always say it’s important for civilization to be a multi-planet species. So it’s not like an escape from Earth, and then we will leave Earth and try to go to Mars or something like that.",
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"content": "So, if there was some sort of magnet road, like, you have two magnets, and they repel each other; if you had some sort of a magnet road that was below you, and you could travel on that magnet road, that would work?",
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"content": "Yes, you could have a magnet road.",
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"content": "A magnet road. Is that too ridiculous?",
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"content": "No, it would work. So, you could do that. I would not recommend it.",
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"content": "How hard was it to design something that can be mass manufactured, it could be relatively and expensive? I mean, if you compare to Boston Dynamics’ Atlas, is a very expensive robot.",
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"content": "It is designed to be manufactured in the same way they would make a car. And I think, ultimately, we can make Optimus for less than the cost of a car. It should be, because if you look at the mass of the robot, it’s much smaller and the car has many actuators in it. The car has more actuators than the robot.",
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"content": "But the actuators are interesting on a humanoid robot with fingers. So, Optimus has really nice hands and fingers, and they could do some interesting manipulation, soft touch robotics.",
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"content": "I mean, one of the goals I have is can it pick up a needle and a thread and thread the needle just by looking?",
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"content": "Right. But a lot of people just lost their jobs like that and they didn’t even know they’d lost their jobs often. They were just frozen out of their accounts.",
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"content": "Okay. What would you do?",
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"content": "Well, you might want to give someone some notice. By the way, I’m not running Twitter, but this is the criticism and this is what actual staff members say. A little bit of notice…",
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"content": "No, I understand. You’ve got four months to live, 120 days. In 120 days you’re dead. So what do you want to do?",
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"content": "Let me ask about Crew Dragon Demo-2. So, that first flight with humans on board, how did you feel leading up to that launch? Were you scared? Were you excited? What was going through your mind? So much was at stake.",
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"content": "Yeah, no, that was extremely stressful. No question. We obviously could not let them down in any way. So extremely stressful, I’d say, to say the least. I was confident that, at the time that we launched, that no one could think of anything at all to do that would improve the probability of success. And we racked our brains to think of any possible way to improve the probability of success. We could not think of anything more, and nor could NASA. And so, that’s just the best that we could do. So then we went ahead and launched. Now, I’m not a religious person, but I nonetheless got on my knees and prayed for that mission.",
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"content": "Were you able to sleep?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "No.",
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"content": "Yeah. So if the building owner let owner lets you, you would happily do that?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yes.",
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"content": "Okay. All right. There we go. What’s the most difficult thing you’ve had to do? What’s the hardest thing you’ve had to do?",
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"content": "In my whole life?",
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"content": "Well, you’ve asked me whether my feed, whether it’s got less or more. I’d say it’s got slightly more.",
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"content": "That’s why I’m asking for examples. Can you name one example?",
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"content": "I honestly don’t…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "You can’t name a single example?",
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"content": "That’s good.",
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"content": "And so we’re able to continue production. I don’t want to belabor the anecdote, but essentially the supplier is in China and we had plan A and plan B. Plan A was like the normal supply chain process. But what the supplier did was instead of sending our parts in their own package, they grouped it together with a bunch of other stuff for other companies and sent that all via some extremely slow boat from China to LA. And when it got to LA, the other stuff didn’t pass customs. So they wouldn’t let our stuff through because…",
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"content": "They put it in like a barrel fruit or something.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I don’t know what they put it in, but something that customs didn’t like. And the paperwork wasn’t in order or whatever. So it got stuck there for like a couple of weeks. And then we had plan B. We called and said, look, you’ve got to air freight some of these cables – because they’re just little cables – to us. We talked to their US subsidiary and ordered from the US subsidiary, who then communicated to China. But then, because this was another batch of parts, so it was kind of double the order, it exceeded the credit limit that we had. It bounced off the credit limit, so they didn’t ship it.",
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"content": "So one of the criticisms of you is you don’t pay enough taxes if any. Can you address that? Because here you are getting money from the government, you obviously want a functioning government to be able to build all kinds of things and services. How do you look at that trade-off?",
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"content": "Well, I mean, there was a bunch of very misleading stuff that was published by ProPublica. And really, that was some sort of trickery, and really they did themselves no good service by doing that. So first of all, with respect to the government contracts that SpaceX wins – our aspiration is to do the most for the least. And if you look at all the contracts we’ve won, we’ve won them because we have the best price… we have a better service at a lower price. They weren’t just handed to us.",
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"content": "I don’t think they were. That’s not what I’m saying. In fact, you called me and said, “We finally got in after years of sort of this back slappy.” I was, “It’s a great thing. That is great.”",
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"content": "Absolutely. I mean, for the Moon lander – just taking that as one example – our bid was half the price of the Blue Origin Lockheed bid. For a vehicle that does basically 10 times more or eight times more perhaps, our price was half. And NASA has a mandate to get back to the Moon, so we save taxpayers like $3 billion relative to that contract. I think that’s a good thing. With respect to my personal taxes: I don’t actually draw a salary or anything. My cash compensation is basically zero.",
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"content": "Go on.",
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"content": "No, I got to reserve the cool stuff for when we actually unveil it, but it is going to be really cool. It’s going to have some rocket technology in it. I think the only way to do something that’s cooler than the Cybertruck is to combine SpaceX and Tesla technology to create something that’s not even really a car.",
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"content": "Then what would it be?",
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"content": "Something that’s never existed before.",
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"content": "I like that.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah. I mean, we improved the interface for Missile Command because it’s too hard with the old trackball. So, this is a touch screen version of Missile Command. So, you have a chance.",
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"content": "Do you — You have an old car, don’t you? Don’t you have an old Jaguar?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah. How do you know that? I have a ’61 series 1 E-Type Jaguar.",
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"content": "That would be great, yes.",
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"content": "…a good outcome. And so what would do that? And what’s the fastest way short of inventing teleportation that you could do something like that? And some of the elements of that solution are fairly obvious, and some of them are not so obvious. And then the details… the devil’s in the details of actually making something like that work. But I came to the conclusion that there is something like that that could work. And would be practical.",
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"content": "Is this around the evacuated tubes? The vacuum tubes? Like the old bank…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "It’s something like that.",
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"content": "Yeah, but if you do scale it up, what you saw before becomes this. So, you can see the motivation. A ten times reduction in footprint, a ten times reduction in energy, and a massive reduction in investment. But as Elon was saying, simple is hard.",
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"content": "Yeah. I mean, to be clear, I would like to not say that right now, it just totally working. It’s close to working, but it’s not, even now, at the pilot plant level, it is close to working. It’s fair to say probably it does work, but with not a high yield.",
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"content": "Yeah. We’re still ironing out the kinks, but we’ve made tens of thousands of cells, thousands of kilometers of electrode. I mean, we are on the fourth generation of the equipment, so we’ve learned a lot along the way. I mean, it is super demanding because every atom has its place if you want to deliver the energy density and the cycle life and the supercharging. But we’re confident that we will get there, but it will be a lot of work along that.",
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"content": "There’s a clear path to success, but a ton of work between here and there. But this is a really profound improvement. Again, for people that know battery manufacturing, this is gigantic. We’ll probably be on machine revision six or seven by the time we do large-scale production. The rate at which the machines are being improved is extremely rapid. Literally every three or four months, there’s a new rev.",
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"content": "With rocket launchers?",
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"content": "No, I would not recommend putting any…",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "Come on.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "… exhaust gas in the tunnel.",
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"content": "You might. Do you think you do?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Probably.",
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"content": "Do you wonder when you’re around normal people, your like, ‘hm’? Like, ‘what’s up with these boring, dumb motherfuckers?’ Ever?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "‘Not bad for a human.’ But, I think, we will not be able to hold the candle to A.I.",
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"content": "I haven’t actually looked at that feed, I would say, for a few weeks.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Then how would you know there’s hateful content?",
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"content": "Because I’m saying that’s what I saw a few weeks ago. I can’t give you an exact example. Let’s move on. We only have a certain amount of time. COVID misinformation, you changed the COVID misinformation rules.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Has BBC changed its COVID misinformation?",
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"content": "But both of them.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yes. The word neural net comes from the brain. It’s like a net of neurons. Humans are the original gangster of the neural net.",
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"content": "That’s a great way to put it.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Yeah.",
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"content": "How far, do you think, we are from something that can make its own mind up whether or not something’s ethically or morally correct, or whether or not it wants to do something, or whether or not it wants to improve itself, or whether or not it wants to protect itself from people or from other A.I.? How far away from something that is really truly sentient?",
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"content": "Well, I mean, you could argue that any group of people… – like a company is essentially a cybernetic collective of people and machines. That’s what a company is. And then, there are different levels of complexity in the way these companies are formed. There are like a collective A.I. in the Google search where we’re all sort of plugged in as like nerds on the network, like leaves on a big tree. And we are all feeding this network with our questions and answers. We’re all collectively programming the A.I. And Google plus all the humans that connect to it are one giant cybernetic collective. This is also true of Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and all these social networks. They’re giant cybernetic collectives.",
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"content": "Humans and electronics all interfacing and constantly now, constantly connected.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yes, constantly.",
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"content": "I’m not sure I’ve used that feed for the last three or four weeks. And I honestly couldn’t-",
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"content": "Then how could you see the hateful content?",
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"content": "Because I’ve been using it. I’ve been using Twitter since you’ve taken it over for the last six months.",
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"content": "Then you must have at some point seen the For You hateful content. I’m asking for one example.",
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"content": "I believe you. So, the solar panels that are on that house that we just looked at, is that sufficient to power the entire home?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "It depends on your energy on how efficient-",
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"content": "Expenditure?",
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"content": "Yeah.\nSo, generally, yes. I would say it’s probably for most. It’s going to vary, but anywhere from more than you need to maybe half. Like, call it half to 1.5 of the energy that you need, depending on how much roof you have relative to living space.",
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"content": "We covered recycling.",
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"content": "Yeah. Just scroll until we’ve got stuff that we haven’t covered.",
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"content": "We definitely covered that top one.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah, a lot of the things we’ve already asked, really.",
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"content": "Because you built PayPal?",
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"content": "Yeah, pretty much. I mean, with a lot of other people, but there’s a product plan I wrote, which I wish I’d kept a copy of, in July of 2000, where I thought it would be possible to make the most valuable financial institution in the world. And we’re going to execute that plan from 22 years ago, which, amazingly, no one has done. That’s a part of why I think Twitter will be ultimately extremely valuable because I’m going to execute the X.com game plan from 22 years ago with some improvements.\nAnd then we’re also going to obviously make Twitter just a way better system. I mean, it stands to reason that if a social media company is not taking steps to make it positive to be on that social platform, then people won’t come or they’ll leave. You speak of sort of antisemitism or racism or anything like that. Well, I mean, who’s going to stay on a platform, if that’s prevalent? (…) inherent wrongness, who is going to stay on the platform? Our goal with Twitter is, how do we get 80% of America? Maybe not like the sort of far left and the far right, and maybe we don’t want them necessarily – but how do we get 80% of the public to join a digital town square, and voice their opinion and exchange ideas and maybe once in a while, change their minds? I mean, once in a while.\nI’m confident we can satisfy 80% of America, 80% of the world, but maybe not the 10% most extreme of either side. I would count that as a great outcome. I think it is important to have a sort of a digital town square where people feel comfortable talking.\nElon Musk",
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"content": "I read also that you said – and then we’ll move off Twitter – but you said that your goal is you want to make the 20% of people who are on the far right to hate you just like you want to make the 20% of people on the far left to hate you.",
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"content": "Well, I don’t want them to hate me. But I think it’s just very difficult to satisfy extremists unless you fully buy into whatever their dogma is. But I’m confident we can satisfy, like, I don’t know, 80% of America, 80% of the world, but maybe not the 10% most extreme of either side. I would count that as a great outcome. I think it is important to have a sort of a digital town square where people feel comfortable talking.\nAnd I also think one of the things which is important is to be able to sort of decide what kind of experience you want to have on Twitter. Because some people might say, okay, I want it like this was a radio station, I want this easy listening, smooth jazz station. Okay, cool, so you have that setting for Twitter. And then some people might say, “No, I want Heavy Metal thrash.” Okay, then you don’t mind someone saying mean things to you, you know, within the context of the law. And you don’t mind engaging in vigorous arguments on Twitter, that kind of thing. But you should be able to pick your preference and decide if you want sort of full contact battle, or do you want like, “I just want to look at puppies and flowers and nice landscapes and stuff.”",
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"content": "Yeah, they’re like swingers. Yeah, they really are. They seem to be way more – even than us – way more civilized.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "They just seem to resolve everything with sex.",
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"content": "Yeah, the only rules they have is, the mom won’t bang the son. That’s it.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Okay.",
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"content": "You have the Boring Company building…",
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"content": "Very small",
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"content": "Very small company. You envisioned Hyperloop. It’s not a company, but…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Well, the Boring Company can do the Hyperloop.",
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"content": "Did you ever live in it?",
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"content": "It’s very quirky. I did live in it briefly, yeah.",
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"content": "But why do you buy houses? If you own all these houses, do you just get bored and go ‘I think I’d like to have that’?",
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"content": "Well, I had one house, and the Gene Wilder house is right across the road from me from my main house. It was going to get sold and then torn down and turned into, you know, be a big construction zone for three years. I was like, whoa, I think I’ll buy it and preserve the spirit of Gene Wilder and not have a giant construction zone.\nThen I started having some privacy issues where people would just come to my house and start climbing over the walls and stuff. Then I bought some of the houses around my house, and then I thought at one point, you know, it’d be cool to build a house. I acquired some properties at the top of Somera Road, which has got a great view, and I was like, okay, well there’s a bunch of sort of small older houses, they’re going to get torn down, anyway. I was like, well, if I collect these little houses, then I can build something, I don’t know, artistic, like a dream house type of thing.",
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"content": "Ever?",
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"content": "I used to have a watch.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "What happened?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "My phone tells the time.",
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"content": "They’re arresting people for protesting because they’re protesting and violating social distancing, and these mandates that tell people that they have to stay home.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah. These would definitely not stand up if the Supreme court… It’s obviously a complete violation of rights.",
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"content": "And again, this is not in any way disrespecting the people who have died from this disease. That’s certainly a real thing to think of.",
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"content": "Yeah. I mean, it just should be if you’re at risk, you should not be compelled to leave your house or leave a place of safety, but if you’re not at risk, or if you are at risk and you wish to take a risk with your life, you should have the right to do that.",
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"content": "Oh, his Rolling Stone articles are amazing. His stuff on the savings and loan crisis, it’s just like, “What in the fuck?” And he’s not an economist by any stretch of the imagination. So he had to really deeply embed himself in that world to try to understand it and to be able to report on it. And also with a humorous flair.\nThere’s not that many of them. It’s hard. And not a location where like, we are no bullshit, Wearenobullshit.com, like the one place where you can say, “This is what we know, this is what we don’t know. This is what we think.” Not, “This person’s wrong, and here’s why.” Like, ah, God damn it. I can’t. You don’t know. There’s a lot of stuff that is open to interpretation.\nThis particular coronavirus issue that we’re dealing with right now seems to be a great illuminator of that very fact. Is that there’s so much data. And there’s so much that’s open to interpret. There’s so many things… because it’s all happening in real-time. Right? And particularly right now in California, we’re in stage two tomorrow, or Friday, two days from now. Stage two. Retail stores opening up. Things are changing. Like, no one knows the correct process that needs to take place to save the most amount of lives, but yet ensure that our culture and that our economy survives. It’s a lot of speculation and guessing. But if you go to certain places, they’ll tell you, “We know why, and we know this, and we know…” Oh, it’s hard.",
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"content": "Yeah. I mean, in general, I think we should be concerned about anything that’s a massive infringement on our civil liberties. So, you got to put a lot of weight on that. A lot of people died to win independence for the country and fight for the democracy that we have. And we should treasure that and not give up our liberties too easily. And I think we probably did that, actually.",
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"content": "Well, I like what you said when you said that it should be a choice and that to require people to stay home, require people to not go to work, and to arrest people for trying to make a living. This all seems wrong. And I think it’s a wrong approach. It’s an infantilization of the society. That daddy’s going to tell you what to do.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Fundamentally a violation of the constitution. Freedom of assembly, and it’s just, I don’t think these things stand up in court, really.",
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"content": "You know what it stands for.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yes, I do. Yeah. So there’s a lot going on. So I thought this might be a good opportunity to answer some questions, and I guess maybe get some feedback too. What should we be doing different? I know the BBC, for example, is not thrilled about being labeled state-affiliated media.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "Not exactly. I mean I was going to get to that later, but let’s go for it now. It’s officially objected to that term. Do you want to respond to it?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yeah. So our goal is simply to be as truthful and accurate as possible. So I think we’re adjusting the label to be “publicly funded” which I think is perhaps not too objectionable? We’re trying to be accurate.",
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"content": "Right, exactly.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Because for sure, failure is one of the possibilities. But, ideally, you want to try to bracket it and say success is in the envelope of outcomes. I wasn’t quite sure if that was the case. I think success on an academic level would have been quite likely because you can publish some useless paper. And most papers are pretty useless…",
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"content": "We have a few –\n(to the audience)\ndon’t take offense.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I mean, how many Ph.D. papers are actually used by someone ever?",
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"content": "What would you do…\nNo, you can’t do more, sorry. We get another quick.\nFirst of all, thanks for making the first car I ever loved. My wife insisted I asked this question I got here. We also have way too many children.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Well, that’s probably great.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "If there’s any chance that you could put a roof rack on the X, that’s what she’s looking for. We need a roof rack on the X. If you can figure that out. That’s almost more important than going to Mars. We have not figured that out.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I mean, it’s tricky because we have the fancy doors.",
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"content": "You mean with future iterations?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Like the, you know, ‘\nSix Million Dollar Man\n’. Although these days, that doesn’t sound like much.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "Right, that’s pretty cheap. ‘Six Billion Dollar Man’.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "Yeah.",
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"content": "Oh yeah? Beautiful.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Yes, Space X in McGregor. It’s about 15 minutes away from Waco.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "That’s close to where Ted Nugent lives.",
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"content": "It is?",
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"content": "Well, there’s a relevant question here, whether with greater intelligence comes greater control over these base instincts for violence.",
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"content": "Yes. We have much more vulnerability to control our limbic instinct for violence than say a chimpanzee. And in fact, if one looks at say, chimpanzee society, it is not friendly. I mean, the Bonobos are an exception, but chimpanzee society is filled with violence and it’s quite horrific, frankly. That’s our limbic system in action. You don’t want to be on the wrong side of a chimpanzee, it’ll eat your face off and tear your nuts off.",
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"content": "Yeah. Basically there’s no limits or ethics or they almost had just war. There’s no just war in the chimpanzee societies. Is war and dominance by any means necessary?",
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"content": "Yeah. Chimpanzee society is a permanent version of human society. They’re not like peace loving basically at all. There’s extreme violence and then once in a while, somebody who’s watched too many Disney movies decides to raise a chimpanzee as a pet, and then that eats their face or they’re nuts off or chew their fingers off and that kind of thing. It’s happened several times.",
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"content": "Yeah, but what about Chernobyl?",
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"content": "Exactly. I think there’s like a lot of fear of radiation and stuff. And it’s, I guess, probably like a lot of people just don’t… they didn’t study engineering or physics. Just the word ‘radiation’ sounds scary. They can’t calibrate what radiation means. But radiation is much less dangerous than you think. For example, Fukushima – when the Fukushima problem happened due to the tsunami… I got people in California asking me if they should worry about radiation from Fukushima. And I’m like, “Definitely not. Not even slightly, not at all. That is crazy.” And just to show that the danger is so much overplayed compared to what it really is, I actually flew to Fukushima. And actually, I donated a solar power system for a water treatment plant. And I made a point of eating locally grown vegetables on TV in Fukushima. Like, I’m still alive, okay.",
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"content": "So it’s not even that the risk of these events is low, but the impact of them is…",
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"content": "The impact is greatly exaggerated.",
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"content": "Is there a way around that? Like what if they figure out some sort of magnetic technology, like all those Bob Lazar type characters who were thinking that was a part of the UFO technology they were doing at Area 51? Remember, didn’t they have some thoughts about magnetics?",
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"content": "Nope.",
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"content": "No? Bullshit?",
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"content": "Yes.",
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"content": "One of the things that I’ve said is that there could be potentially a universal language that’s created through computers that particularly young kids would pick up very quickly. Like, my kids do Tik Tok and all this jazz, and I don’t know what they’re doing. They just know how to do it, and they know how to do it really quickly. Like they learn really quickly, and they show me how to edit things.\nIt’s if you taught a child from first grade on how to use some new universal language, essentially like a\nRosetta Stone\n, and something that’s done with that interprets your thoughts and you can convey your thoughts with no room for interpretation, clear, very clear, where you know what a person’s saying. And you could tell them what you’re saying, and there’s no need for noises, no need for mouth noises. No need for these sort of accepted ways that we’ve evolved to make sounds that we all agree, through our cultural dictionary, and we agree. We could bypass all that.",
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"content": "You can still do it for sentimental reasons.",
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"content": "What movie was that?",
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"content": "It’s literally called “Chimpanzee”.",
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"content": "Is it a documentary?",
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"content": "Yeah, it’s kind of like a documentary. I was like,” Damn, these chimps are mean.”",
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"content": "Mines probably a couple of inches.",
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"content": "A half inch. Half inch thick skull. Yeah, that’s a fair bit of like… We’ve got quite a coconut going on here. It’s not like some eggshell.",
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"content": "Oh yeah, I believe you.",
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"content": "Yeah, you basically implant the device.",
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"content": "Yes.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "It’s like, drop that crack needle.",
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"content": "You have that problem at your house, too. The crack is addictive.",
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"content": "To the degree that you can make somehow learning like a game, then it’s better. And I think, unfortunately, a lot of education is very vaudevillian. You’ve got someone standing up there kind of lecturing at people. And they’ve done the same lecture 20 years in a row, and they’re not very excited about it. And that lack of enthusiasm is conveyed to the students. They’re not very excited about it. They don’t know why they’re there. Like why are we learning this stuff? We don’t even know why. In fact, I think a lot of things that people learn – that probably there’s no point in learning them. Because they never use them in the future.",
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"content": "So what are you going to do with the lunar lander? And how do you get the Moonbase there?",
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"content": "Starship is designed essentially as general-purpose transport system to anywhere in the solar system because it is a propulsive lander. And with a propulsive lander, you can land anywhere that’s got a solid surface. And it’s also designed for orbital refilling. So, you can get the Starship to orbit and then send tanker flights to refill it so that it has tremendous delta velocity, basically. It can go very far from Earth’s orbit because you can refill propellant.",
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"content": "The Moonbase is important because…?",
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"content": "Well, I think that the Moonbase… I mean, certainly there is like a lot we could learn scientifically, if we had a proper laboratory on the Moon – about the nature of the universe, you know, where we all came from, and the early history of Earth, and that kind of thing. I mean, we have a science station in Antarctica. And we’re still learning a lot from our activities in Antarctica, and I think we could learn even more on the Moon.\nSo, there’s a lot of value, I think, to having a… I think it would be just fricking cool. I mean, come on, it’s like, you know, humanity, let’s go to represent here for humanity, let’s have a base on the Moon. I think it would be like, “We got a base on the Moon. That’s cool.” I think like, a lot can be learned if you’ve got us sort of a science station on the Moon like we’ve got a science station in Antarctica and many other places.\nAnd I think there is value; that it shouldn’t be denigrated for people who want to experience going to orbit or going to the Moon, and when they do so, I think, to some degree, vicariously, we all go with them. You know, in Apollo program, when they landed on the Moon, yeah, it was just a handful of individuals on the Moon, but we all went with them vicariously. Humanity went with them. Like if you asked Peter to Paul of people on Earth and said, “Tell me, what do you think is humanity’s greatest achievement of maybe ever?” was like, “Landing on the Moon”, you know. And that’s inspiring, I think, to kids everywhere.",
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"content": "Yes, I understand that. You’re doing a lot of government work. What is that like working with the government. Is this important to your business?",
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"content": "Yeah. I mean, it’s an important part of business. Bear in mind, if you’re in any industry, like, let’s say you’re a pencil manufacturer, okay. About 40% of your pencils are going to go to the government. The government’s about 40% of the economy. You know, if you’re a shoe manufacturer, you bet 40% of your business is going to be with the government. So, you know, it’s to be expected that most companies are gonna have a percentage of business with the government, state, federal and local, that is proportionate to the GDP of the government.",
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"content": "So one of the criticisms of you is you don’t pay enough taxes if any. Can you address that? Because here you are getting money from the government, you obviously want a functioning government to be able to build all kinds of things and services. How do you look at that trade-off?",
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"content": "Well, I mean, there was a bunch of very misleading stuff that was published by ProPublica. And really, that was some sort of trickery, and really they did themselves no good service by doing that. So first of all, with respect to the government contracts that SpaceX wins – our aspiration is to do the most for the least. And if you look at all the contracts we’ve won, we’ve won them because we have the best price… we have a better service at a lower price. They weren’t just handed to us.",
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"content": "Yeah. It’s not like a worm. It seems to be on another level. Yeah, and it’s going to keep going. That’s the real concern when people think about the potential future versions of human beings, especially when you consider symbiotic relationship to artificial intelligence, that will be unrecognizable. That one day will be so far removed from what this is. We’ll look back on this, the way we look back now on simple organisms that we evolved from. That it won’t be that far in the future that we do have this view back.",
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"content": "Well, I hope consciousness propagates into the future, and it gets more sophisticated and complex and that it understands the questions to ask about the universe.",
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"content": "Do you think that’s the case? As a human being, as yourself, you’re clearly trying to make conscious decisions to be a better version of yourself. This is the idea of getting rid of your possessions and realizing that you’re trying to like, “I don’t like this. I will try to improve this. I would try to do a better version of the way I interface with reality.”\nThat this is always the way things are, if you’re moving in some sort of a direction where you’re trying to improve things, you’re always going to move into this new place where you look back on the old place and go, “I was doing it wrong back then.” So this is an accelerated version of that. A super accelerated version of that.",
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"content": "I mean, you don’t always improve, but you can aspire to improve, or you can aspire to be less wrong.",
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"content": "Or admit the mistakes.",
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"content": "Absolutely. And if you see the difference between a startup that is successful and one that is not, and it is because the successful one – they both made mistakes – but the successful one recognizes the mistakes, fix them very quickly. And the unsuccessful one tries to deny that the mistakes exist.",
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"content": "No, extremely smart people are sometimes quite arrogant because they believe in what they believe in, right. And so when they face criticism, it’s less likely to admit, you know, they can make mistakes. Was that in your case?",
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"content": "I learned when I was studying physics that… – in physics, you’re taught to always question yourself, you’re taught to always assume that you’re wrong, not to assume that you’re right. And you have to prove yourself not wrong. And so I think that that physics framework is really where I learned it, and it’s very effective for learning counterintuitive things that aren’t obvious.",
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"content": "Right, yep, that’s awesome. Aerospikes, with Elon Musk! Thank you so much.",
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"content": "I would love it if somebody could show it like, „Hey, you’re missing the mark, you could do this different thing, and this would be a better move.“ That would be, „Thank you, please.“",
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"content": "Right, yeah, of course, absolutely. Hey, thanks for your time again, see you soon, pleasure meeting you. We might need to steal your mic; I mean, I don’t know, I can bill you later. Thanks again for this.",
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"content": "Absolutely.",
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"content": "Personally, my For You, I would see I get more of that kind of content. Yeah. Personally. But I’m not going to talk for the rest of Twitter.",
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"content": "You see more hate speech personally?",
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"content": "I would say see more hateful content in that.",
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"content": "Content you don’t like, or hateful. Describe a hateful thing?",
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