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+[House Hearing, 116 Congress]
+[From the U.S. Government Publishing Office]
+
+
+       PUTTING U.S. AVIATION AT RISK: THE IMPACT OF THE SHUTDOWN
+
+=======================================================================
+
+                                (116-2)
+
+                                HEARING
+
+                               BEFORE THE
+
+                            SUBCOMMITTEE ON
+                                AVIATION
+
+                                 OF THE
+
+                              COMMITTEE ON
+                   TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE
+                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
+
+                     ONE HUNDRED SIXTEENTH CONGRESS
+
+                             FIRST SESSION
+
+                               __________
+
+                           FEBRUARY 13, 2019
+
+                               __________
+
+                       Printed for the use of the
+             Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure
+
+[GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]
+
+
+     Available online at: https://www.govinfo.gov/committee/house-
+     transportation?path=/browsecommittee/chamber/house/committee/
+                             transportation
+
+                               __________
+                               
+
+                    U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE                    
+35-067 PDF                  WASHINGTON : 2020                     
+          
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+
+             COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE
+
+                    PETER A. DeFAZIO, Oregon, Chair
+
+ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON,               SAM GRAVES, Missouri
+  District of Columbia               DON YOUNG, Alaska
+EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas         ERIC A. ``RICK'' CRAWFORD, 
+ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland         Arkansas
+RICK LARSEN, Washington              BOB GIBBS, Ohio
+GRACE F. NAPOLITANO, California      DANIEL WEBSTER, Florida
+DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois            THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky
+STEVE COHEN, Tennessee               MARK MEADOWS, North Carolina
+ALBIO SIRES, New Jersey              SCOTT PERRY, Pennsylvania
+JOHN GARAMENDI, California           RODNEY DAVIS, Illinois
+HENRY C. ``HANK'' JOHNSON, Jr.,      ROB WOODALL, Georgia
+Georgia                              JOHN KATKO, New York
+ANDRE CARSON, Indiana                BRIAN BABIN, Texas
+DINA TITUS, Nevada                   GARRET GRAVES, Louisiana
+SEAN PATRICK MALONEY, New York       DAVID ROUZER, North Carolina
+JARED HUFFMAN, California            MIKE BOST, Illinois
+JULIA BROWNLEY, California           RANDY K. WEBER, Sr., Texas
+FREDERICA S. WILSON, Florida         DOUG LaMALFA, California
+DONALD M. PAYNE, Jr., New Jersey     BRUCE WESTERMAN, Arkansas
+ALAN S. LOWENTHAL, California        LLOYD SMUCKER, Pennsylvania
+MARK DeSAULNIER, California          PAUL MITCHELL, Michigan
+STACEY E. PLASKETT, Virgin Islands   BRIAN J. MAST, Florida
+STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts      MIKE GALLAGHER, Wisconsin
+SALUD O. CARBAJAL, California, Vice  GARY J. PALMER, Alabama
+Chair                                BRIAN K. FITZPATRICK, Pennsylvania
+ANTHONY G. BROWN, Maryland           JENNIFFER GONZALEZ-COLON,
+ADRIANO ESPAILLAT, New York            Puerto Rico
+TOM MALINOWSKI, New Jersey           TROY BALDERSON, Ohio
+GREG STANTON, Arizona                ROSS SPANO, Florida
+DEBBIE MUCARSEL-POWELL, Florida      PETE STAUBER, Minnesota
+LIZZIE FLETCHER, Texas               CAROL D. MILLER, West Virginia
+COLIN Z. ALLRED, Texas               GREG PENCE, Indiana
+SHARICE DAVIDS, Kansas
+ABBY FINKENAUER, Iowa
+JESUS G. GARCIA, Illinois
+ANTONIO DELGADO, New York
+CHRIS PAPPAS, New Hampshire
+ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota
+HARLEY ROUDA, California
+
+                                  (ii)
+
+  
+                        Subcommittee on Aviation
+
+                     RICK LARSEN, Washington, Chair
+
+ANDRE CARSON, Indiana                GARRET GRAVES, Louisiana
+STACEY E. PLASKETT, Virgin Islands   DON YOUNG, Alaska
+STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts      DANIEL WEBSTER, Florida
+ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON,               THOMAS MASSIE, Kentucky
+  District of Columbia               SCOTT PERRY, Pennsylvania
+DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois            ROB WOODALL, Georgia
+STEVE COHEN, Tennessee               JOHN KATKO, New York
+HENRY C. ``HANK'' JOHNSON, Jr.,      DAVID ROUZER, North Carolina
+Georgia                              LLOYD SMUCKER, Pennsylvania
+DINA TITUS, Nevada                   PAUL MITCHELL, Michigan
+JULIA BROWNLEY, California           BRIAN J. MAST, Florida
+ANTHONY G. BROWN, Maryland           MIKE GALLAGHER, Wisconsin
+GREG STANTON, Arizona                BRIAN K. FITZPATRICK, Pennsylvania
+COLIN Z. ALLRED, Texas               TROY BALDERSON, Ohio
+JESUS G. GARCIA, Illinois            ROSS SPANO, Florida
+EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas         PETE STAUBER, Minnesota
+SEAN PATRICK MALONEY, New York       SAM GRAVES, Missouri (Ex Officio)
+DONALD M. PAYNE, Jr., New Jersey
+SHARICE DAVIDS, Kansas
+ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota
+GRACE F. NAPOLITANO, California
+SALUD O. CARBAJAL, California
+PETER A. DeFAZIO, Oregon (Ex 
+Officio)
+
+                                 (iii)
+
+                                CONTENTS
+
+                                                                   Page
+
+Summary of Subject Matter........................................   vii
+
+                   STATEMENTS OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
+
+Hon. Rick Larsen, a Representative in Congress from the State of 
+  Washington, and Chair, Subcommittee on Aviation:
+
+    Opening statement............................................     1
+    Prepared statement...........................................     3
+Hon. Sam Graves, a Representative in Congress from the State of 
+  Missouri, and Ranking Member, Committee on Transportation and 
+  Infrastructure:
+
+    Opening statement............................................     4
+    Prepared statement...........................................     5
+Hon. Peter A. DeFazio, a Representative in Congress from the 
+  State of Oregon, and Chair, Committee on Transportation and 
+  Infrastructure, opening statement..............................     5
+Hon. Garret Graves, a Representative in Congress from the State 
+  of Louisiana, and Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Aviation:
+
+    Opening statement............................................     7
+    Prepared statement...........................................     8
+Hon. Stacey E. Plaskett, a Delegate in Congress from the Virgin 
+  Islands, prepared statement....................................    77
+Hon. Greg Stanton, a Representative in Congress from the State of 
+  Arizona, prepared statement....................................    77
+
+                               WITNESSES
+
+Paul Rinaldi, President, National Air Traffic Controllers 
+  Association, AFL-CIO:
+
+    Oral statement...............................................     9
+    Prepared statement...........................................    10
+Michael Perrone, President, Professional Aviation Safety 
+  Specialists, AFL-CIO:
+
+    Oral statement...............................................    19
+    Prepared statement...........................................    21
+Nicholas E. Calio, President and CEO, Airlines for America:
+
+    Oral statement...............................................    25
+    Prepared statement...........................................    27
+Sara Nelson, International President, Association of Flight 
+  Attendants--CWA, AFL-CIO:
+
+    Oral statement...............................................    29
+    Prepared statement...........................................    31
+Peter J. Bunce, President and CEO, General Aviation Manufacturers 
+  Association:
+
+    Oral statement...............................................    33
+    Prepared statement...........................................    35
+
+                       SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD
+
+Letter of February 12, 2019, from the Aeronautical Repair Station 
+  Association et al., Submitted for the Record by Hon. Larsen....    48
+Letter of February 12, 2019, from the Commercial Drone Alliance 
+  et al., Submitted for the Record by Hon. Larsen................    49
+Statement from the National Business Aviation Association, 
+  Submitted for the Record by Hon. Larsen........................    73
+Statement from Faye Malarkey Black, President and Chief Executive 
+  Officer, Regional Airline Association, Submitted for the Record 
+  by Hon. Larsen.................................................    74
+Statement from the American Federation of Government Employees, 
+  Submitted for the Record by Hon. DeFazio.......................    78
+
+                                APPENDIX
+
+Questions from Hon. Steve Cohen for Paul M. Rinaldi..............    81
+Questions from Hon. Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr. for Paul M. 
+  Rinaldi........................................................    82
+Questions from Hon. Stacey E. Plaskett for Paul M. Rinaldi.......    83
+Questions from Hon. Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr. for Michael 
+  Perrone........................................................    83
+Questions from Hon. Stacey E. Plaskett for Nicholas E. Calio.....    83
+
+[GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]
+
+
+                            February 8, 2019
+
+    SUMMARY OF SUBJECT MATTER
+
+    TO:       Members, Committee on Transportation and 
+Infrastructure
+    FROM:   Staff, Subcommittee on Aviation
+    RE:       Subcommittee Hearing on ``Putting U.S. Aviation 
+at Risk: The Impact of the Shutdown''
+
+                                Purpose
+
+    The Subcommittee on Aviation will meet on Wednesday, 
+February 13, 2019, at 10 o'clock a.m., in HVC 210 of the 
+Capitol Visitor Center to hold a hearing titled, ``Putting U.S. 
+Aviation at Risk: The Impact of the Shutdown.'' The hearing 
+will gather stakeholder perspectives on how the recent 35-day 
+partial shutdown of the Federal Government impacted Federal 
+Aviation Administration (FAA) functions and operations, as well 
+as the U.S. aviation industry and workforce. The subcommittee 
+will hear testimony from the Association of Flight Attendants 
+(AFA), General Aviation Manufacturers Association (GAMA), 
+National Air Traffic Controllers Association (NATCA), 
+Professional Aviation Safety Specialists (PASS), and Airlines 
+for America (A4A).
+
+                                Overview
+
+    The FAA is the Federal agency responsible for ensuring the 
+safe and efficient operation of the National Airspace System. 
+During the recent 35-day partial shutdown of the Federal 
+Government \1\--the longest in U.S. history--due to a lapse in 
+appropriations, between 30 and 40 percent of FAA employees were 
+furloughed,\2\ challenging the agency's ability to fulfill this 
+critical mandate. Thousands of safety-critical FAA employees, 
+including more than 14,000 air traffic controllers and a 
+limited number of aviation safety inspectors and technicians, 
+worked during the shutdown without compensation.\3\ In addition 
+to impacts on the FAA workforce, the shutdown negatively 
+affected the U.S. aviation industry, including airlines, 
+general aviation, airports, manufacturers, and passengers.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \1\ Due to a lapse in Federal spending, a partial shutdown of the 
+Federal Government occurred, from December 22, 2018, to January 25, 
+2019.
+    \2\ See DOT, Operations During a Lapse in Annual Appropriations 
+Plans by Operating Administration, at 3 (Dec. 2018), https://
+cms.dot.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/docs/mission/budget/328471/
+consolidated-december-2018-shutdown-plan-final.pdf and revised on Jan. 
+11, 2019, https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/docs/
+mission/budget/328471/usdot-consolidated-december-2018-shutdown-plan-
+01-11-19-red-line.pdf.
+    \3\ Id.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+                   Shutdown Impacts on FAA Workforce
+
+    Air Traffic Controllers. More than 14,000 controllers 
+worked during the shutdown without pay.\4\ During the shutdown, 
+controllers in the busiest U.S. air traffic facilities worked 
+overtime--as much as 60 hours per week.\5\ Controllers handle, 
+on average, more than 40,000 flights daily, across 29 million 
+square miles of airspace.\6\ Yet, according to NATCA, while 
+controllers were performing their safety-critical 
+responsibilities, some were concerned about when they would 
+receive their next paychecks and how they would pay 
+expenses.\7\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \4\ Figure provided to committee staff by the FAA on Dec. 21, 2018.
+    \5\ See Letter, Air Traffic Controllers, Pilots, Flight Attendants 
+Detail Serious Safety Concerns Due to Shutdown (Jan. 23, 2019), 
+available at https://www.natca.org/Images/NATCA_PDFs/Publications/
+20190123-AFA-ALPA-NATCA-Joint-Statement-FINAL.pdf.
+    \6\ See FAA, Air Traffic by the Numbers, https://www.faa.gov/
+air_traffic/by_the_numbers/ (last visited Feb. 4, 2019).
+    \7\ See TIME, ``We're All Human.'' Air Traffic Controllers Are 
+Missing Another Paycheck, and It's Taking a Toll, Jan. 24, 2019, http:/
+/time.com/5512249/air-traffic-controllers-paychecks-shutdown/.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    According to NATCA, controller staffing at FAA air traffic 
+control facilities is already at a 30-year low, due in part to 
+the Government shutdown in 2013, and more than 20 percent of 
+the current controller workforce is eligible to retire.\8\ 
+During the 35-day shutdown, the FAA's controller training 
+academy was closed, preventing a pipeline of new controllers 
+from completing the training needed to enter an FAA facility 
+for on-the-job-training.\9\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \8\ See Letter, supra note 5.
+    \9\ Id.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    Inspectors and Technicians. According to PASS, during the 
+35-day shutdown, the majority of FAA aviation safety inspectors 
+were furloughed. These inspectors are responsible for oversight 
+of commercial and general aviation aircraft, pilots, flight 
+instructors, and repair stations in the United States and 
+abroad.\10\ In addition, FAA manufacturing inspectors--who 
+oversee the manufacturing of aircraft and aircraft components--
+and engineering services technicians--who implement air traffic 
+control operation projects--were furloughed,\11\ potentially 
+impacting the FAA's ability to ensure the highest level of 
+aviation safety. Despite the FAA recalling inspectors and 
+engineers during the shutdown, these employees, like 
+controllers, did not receive pay until the shutdown ended.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \10\ PASS, Aviation Safety Inspectors Grounded During Government 
+Shutdown (Dec. 22, 2018), https://www.passnational.org/index.php/news/
+706-aviation-safety-inspectors-grounded-during-government-shutdown.
+    \11\ Id.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    Other FAA Employees. Despite contract authority provided by 
+the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018, multiyear appropriations, 
+and use of franchise funds, allowing the FAA to pay and keep on 
+the job approximately 2,300 FAA employees, in total, more than 
+17,000 employees with positions at the FAA were furloughed at 
+the start of the shutdown. The furlough of these employees, 
+across all of the agency's lines of business, temporarily 
+ceased, disrupted, or delayed important work and agency 
+oversight of the industry. Below are examples, provided by 
+various aviation stakeholders, of how the furlough of FAA 
+employees impacted agency operations and the U.S. aviation 
+industry.
+      Airspace Modernization: The FAA's work on 
+NextGen--the modernization program for the U.S. air traffic 
+control system--was suspended,\12\ further delaying the 
+anticipated safety and efficiency benefits for airspace users 
+and the traveling public.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \12\ Id. at 5.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+      Important FAA Rulemakings: Planned and ongoing 
+aviation rulemaking activities were suspended.\13\ Many of 
+these rules, such as safety rules to address the risks posed by 
+drones in U.S. airspace, are needed to advance the U.S. 
+aviation industry and make our skies safer.\14\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \13\ Id.
+    \14\ See DOT, Report on DOT Significant Rulemakings, Nov. 2018, 
+available at https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/
+eAgendaMain?operation=OPERATION_GET_AGENCY_RULE_
+LIST¤tPub=true&agencyCode=&showStage=active&agencyCd=2100&Image58.
+x=
+25&Image58.y=14 (listing more than 20 FAA-significant rulemakings).
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+      Certification and Validation: The shutdown 
+prevented the aviation industry from receiving important FAA 
+approvals. For example, airlines were unable to add new planes 
+to their fleets, delaying or disrupting services,\15\ and 
+manufacturers could not receive the FAA-approval needed to get 
+new aircraft, aviation equipment, and products to market.\16\ 
+In addition, the furlough of FAA employees temporarily halted 
+FAA-inspection and certification of repair stations and 
+training manuals for pilots.\17\ Combined, the lack of FAA-
+approvals cost companies, especially small businesses, 
+financially.\18\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \15\ Letter from more than 30 aviation and aerospace organizations 
+to the President of the United States, Speak of the U.S. House of 
+Representatives, and Majority Leader of the U.S. Senate, Jan. 10, 2019, 
+https://www.iata.org/pressroom/Documents/letter-us-aviation-shutdown-
+impacts.pdf.
+    \16\ GAMA, FAA Shutdown Impacts on General Aviation Manufacturing 
+and Maintenance (Jan. 22, 2019) (on file with committee staff).
+    \17\ Id.
+    \18\ Id.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+      Airport Infrastructure: The FAA issued no new 
+Airport Improvement Program grants to U.S. airports during the 
+shutdown, and the furlough of FAA employees who work with 
+airports on upcoming construction projects may cause 
+unnecessary delays and increased costs of infrastructure 
+projects.\19\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \19\ See Letter, supra note 15.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+      Congressional Mandates: Nearly all of the FAA's 
+implementation of congressional mandates in the recently 
+enacted FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018 and prior laws was 
+brought to a halt. Such mandates include requiring 10 hours of 
+minimum rest between duty periods for U.S. flight attendants, 
+FAA review of its current cabin evacuation procedures, 
+requiring the installation of secondary cockpit barriers on 
+each new aircraft that is manufactured for delivery to 
+passenger airlines, general aviation safety provisions, and 
+other important FAA reform mandates.\20\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \20\ See sections 335-337, and sections 392-396 of the FAA 
+Reauthorization Act of 2018 (Pub. L. 115-254).
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+                Other Shutdown Impacts on U.S. Aviation
+
+    Civil aviation plays a central role in the United States, 
+supporting more than $1.5 trillion of economic activity and 
+more than 11 million jobs, according to industry groups.\21\ 
+The unprecedented 35-day partial shutdown negatively affected 
+the U.S. aviation industry, including airlines, general 
+aviation, airports, manufacturers, and passengers. The shutdown 
+also affected:
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \21\ See Letter, supra note 15.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+      Aviation Security. More than 50,000 
+Transportation Security Administration (TSA) airport security 
+agents worked during the shutdown without paychecks.\22\ As the 
+shutdown stretched on, an increasing number of TSA agents took 
+unscheduled leave or quit their jobs, leaving airports worried 
+about staffing at security checkpoints.\23\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \22\ N.Y. TIMES, T.S.A. Agents Refuse to Work During Shutdown, 
+Raising Fears of Airport Turmoil, Jan. 11, 2019, https://
+www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/nyregion/tsa-shutdown.html.
+    \23\ Id.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+      Air Travel. One U.S. airline reported losing an 
+estimated $25 million in business due to fewer Government 
+employees and contractors traveling during the shutdown.\24\ In 
+addition, airport security lines at the Nation's busiest 
+airports grew due to fewer TSA agents on duty, causing longer 
+than normal wait times.\25\ The shutdown also resulted in the 
+furlough of all employees in the Department of Transportation's 
+aviation consumer protection division--the office responsible 
+for monitoring compliance with and investigating violations of 
+U.S. consumer protection and civil rights requirements.\26\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \24\ USA TODAY, Delta CEO: Government Shutdown Tab $25 Million and 
+Counting, Jan. 15, 2019, https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/
+2019/01/15/delta-ceo-government-shutdown-costs-25-million-lost-
+business/2576031002/.
+    \25\ See N.Y. TIMES, supra note 22.
+    \26\ See Operations During a Lapse, supra note 2.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+      Accident Investigations. The furlough of 
+employees at the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)--
+the independent agency responsible for investigating 
+transportation accidents and advocating for safety 
+improvements--stopped work on more than 1,800 ongoing general 
+aviation and limited aviation safety investigations, and 
+prevented the Board from working with the FAA to investigate 15 
+general aviation accidents that occurred during the 
+shutdown.\27\
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \27\ NTSB, NTSB Resumes Normal Operations--Updated (Jan. 29, 2019), 
+https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20190129.aspx.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+                               Witnesses
+
+      Mr. Paul Rinaldi, President, National Air Traffic 
+Controllers Association, AFL-CIO
+      Mr. Mike Perrone, National President, 
+Professional Aviation Safety Specialists
+      Mr. Nicholas E. Calio, President and CEO, 
+Airlines for America
+      Ms. Sara Nelson, International President, 
+Association of Flight Attendants-CWA
+      Mr. Pete Bunce, President and CEO, General 
+Aviation Manufacturers Association
+
+ 
+       PUTTING U.S. AVIATION AT RISK: THE IMPACT OF THE SHUTDOWN
+
+                              ----------                              
+
+
+                      WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 13, 2019
+
+                  House of Representatives,
+                          Subcommittee on Aviation,
+            Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure,
+                                                    Washington, DC.
+    The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10 a.m., in 
+room 210, House Capitol Visitor Center, Hon. Rick Larsen 
+(Chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.
+    Mr. Larsen. The subcommittee will come to order. Before we 
+start, I want to recognize Chairman DeFazio.
+    Mr. DeFazio. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. In 
+commemoration of this long-anticipated occasion, your first 
+chairing of the Subcommittee on Aviation, I have here a small 
+gift. So hopefully that will come in handy.
+    Mr. Larsen. Craft brewery from Oregon.
+    [Laughter.]
+    Mr. DeFazio. That is after the hearing.
+    Mr. Larsen. Then we had better finish after noon. Very 
+nice. Thank you very much, Peter.
+    Mr. DeFazio. A gavel, which is commemorative.
+    [Applause.]
+    Mr. Larsen. It has got my name on it, so I never have to 
+give this one away.
+    Mr. DeFazio. Right.
+    Mr. Larsen. Well, then, we will take a recess and come back 
+into order with the new gavel.
+    [Laughter.]
+    Mr. Larsen. Thanks, Pete. Appreciate it. Garret will take 
+the other one.
+    So I ask unanimous consent that Members not on the 
+subcommittee today be permitted to sit with the subcommittee at 
+today's hearing and ask questions. Without objection, so 
+ordered.
+    And I want to say good morning to everyone and welcome to 
+the first Aviation Subcommittee hearing of the 116th Congress. 
+Nineteen days ago, the partial Government shutdown ended but 
+left significant consequences to the U.S. aviation workforce, 
+industry, and economy in its wake.
+    But we have a forward-looking aviation and aerospace agenda 
+for this Congress. In fact, it was my intention for the first 
+hearing of this subcommittee to be exploring that agenda that 
+included ensuring aviation safety, fostering innovation in the 
+U.S. airspace, improving U.S. competitiveness in the global 
+marketplace, and enhancing the air travel experience for 
+passengers.
+    This agenda is still my agenda; the subcommittee will 
+continue to pursue it. However, the recent shutdown shed new 
+light on its impacts on the aviation industry and the 
+workforce. But the roots of this hearing go back at least to 
+2013 and that shutdown under a Democratic administration, when 
+FAA employees were furloughed and air traffic controllers 
+worked without pay.
+    Even then we were trying to find a way to shield this most 
+critical part of the Government from future shutdowns. So the 
+purpose of this hearing, then, is twofold. First, I want to 
+ensure that this subcommittee creates the public record of 
+shutdown impacts on the aviation and aerospace industry. The 
+panel assembled here today is in the best position to explain 
+these impacts.
+    I would note that the shutdown has also delayed the 
+subcommittee's work. FAA furloughs have delayed implementation 
+of last year's FAA reauthorization, which in turn delays the 
+oversight mission of this subcommittee. The shutdown also 
+delayed planning for the subcommittee's trip to the FAA Tech 
+Center to observe their critical research to improve the safety 
+of the national airspace.
+    The second purpose of this hearing is to build a case for 
+H.R. 1108, the Aviation Funding Stability Act of 2019. I want 
+to ensure that the FAA has resources and funding stability 
+needed to preserve the safety of the Nation's aviation system.
+    Throughout this most recent shutdown, I met with the 
+dedicated women and men of the aviation workforce and did hear 
+about the harmful impacts the shutdown had on their lives. One 
+constituent from Bellingham, Washington, shared with me that 
+her brother, an air traffic controller, worked more than 60 
+hours a week without pay during the shutdown. Her brother faced 
+severe mental and physical stress wondering when his next 
+paycheck would come.
+    Aerospace companies in northwest Washington State let me 
+know that they feared that we needed to suspend production. 
+Local aviation safety personnel showed me their pay stubs for 
+zero dollars. Another air traffic controller with whom I had 
+met had to dip into her children's college savings to get by. 
+During the shutdown, thousands of air traffic controllers, 
+engineers, technicians, and critical safety personnel were 
+working without pay.
+    U.S. aviation is the gold standard of flight because of 
+these skilled individuals. Their work ensures the safety of the 
+traveling public and efficiency of the U.S. airspace. As I 
+noted, the FAA was unable to begin implementation of 
+congressional mandates in the FAA reauthorization such as 
+requiring 10 hours of rest for flight attendants, further 
+integrating new users in the airspace, and setting up rules to 
+address sexual harassment of employees, passengers, and crew.
+    Furloughed FAA inspectors were unable to approve new 
+aircraft, aviation products, and infrastructure, hindering U.S. 
+global competitiveness. The FAA's work on streamlining the 
+certification process for aviation and aerospace products came 
+to a halt. No new airport improvement program grants could be 
+issued, hurting projects to modernize and maintain airports.
+    And as the full committee heard last week, Federal aviation 
+infrastructure investment falls short already of growing needs. 
+Washington State alone needs over $190 billion in 
+infrastructure investments, with aviation projects requiring 
+$12.6 billion.
+    Congress must do what it can to ensure that the FAA, its 
+employees, and the U.S. aviation economy are protected from 
+another Government shutdown. So to this end, committee chair 
+Mr. DeFazio and I introduced legislation that authorizes the 
+FAA to continue to draw from the Airport and Airway Trust Fund, 
+AATF, during a funding lapse and operate at current levels with 
+no congressional action required.
+    The partial Government shutdown unnecessarily hurt American 
+families and jeopardized the safety of the largest, busiest, 
+and most complex airspace system in the world. To use the 
+metaphor, the lights must stay on at the runways across the 
+United States.
+    I appreciate the witnesses for taking the time to join 
+today's discussion and for your work during the shutdown. I 
+look forward to hearing more about the impacts on your members, 
+and how Congress can support you in the future. It is my hope 
+that with this hearing, the subcommittee will have made its 
+case that the shutdown impacts are harmful to the economy and 
+that the Aviation Funding Stability Act is the mechanism to 
+shield the FAA and the aviation and aerospace economy from 
+detrimental impacts of future shutdowns.
+    And I look forward to getting this subcommittee back to its 
+forward-looking agenda of ensuring aviation safety, fostering 
+innovation in U.S. airspace, improving U.S. competitiveness in 
+the global marketplace, and enhancing the air travel experience 
+for passengers. And with that, I yield back 17 seconds. Thank 
+you.
+    [Mr. Larsen's prepared statement follows:]
+
+                                 
+ Statement of Hon. Rick Larsen, a Representative in Congress from the 
+        State of Washington, and Chair, Subcommittee on Aviation
+    Good morning and thank you to today's witnesses for joining the 
+first Aviation Subcommittee hearing of the 116th Congress.
+    Nineteen days ago, the partial government shutdown ended, but left 
+significant consequences to the U.S. aviation workforce, industry and 
+economy in its wake.
+    We have a forward-looking aviation and aerospace agenda for this 
+Congress.
+    In fact, it was my intention for the first hearing of this 
+Subcommittee to begin exploring an agenda that included: ensuring 
+aviation safety, fostering innovation in U.S. airspace, improving U.S. 
+competitiveness in the global marketplace; and enhancing the air travel 
+experience for passengers.
+    This agenda is still my agenda, and this Subcommittee will continue 
+to pursue it.
+    However, the recent shutdown shed new light on its impacts on the 
+aviation industry and workforce.
+    But the roots of this hearing go back to the 2013 shutdown under a 
+Democratic Administration when FAA employees were furloughed, and air 
+traffic controllers worked without pay.
+    Even then, we were trying to find a way to shield this most 
+critical part of the government from future shutdowns.
+    The purpose of this hearing, then, is two-fold.
+    First, I want to ensure this Subcommittee creates the public record 
+of shutdown impacts on the aviation and aerospace industry.
+    The panel assembled here today is in the best position to explain 
+these impacts.
+    I would note that the shutdown has delayed this Subcommittee's work 
+as well. FAA furloughs have delayed implementation of last year's FAA 
+authorization, which in turn delays the oversight mission of this 
+Subcommittee.
+    The shutdown has also delayed planning for this Subcommittee's trip 
+to the FAA Technical Center to observe their critical research to 
+improve the safety of the National Airspace.
+    The second purpose of this hearing is to build the case for H.R. 
+1108, the Aviation Funding Stability Act of 2019.
+    I want to ensure the FAA has the resources and funding stability 
+needed to preserve the safety of the Nation's aviation system.
+    Throughout the most recent shutdown, I met with the dedicated women 
+and men of the aviation workforce and heard about the harmful impacts 
+the shutdown had on their lives.
+    One constituent from Bellingham, Washington shared with me that her 
+brother, an air traffic controller, worked more than 60 hours a week, 
+without pay, during the shutdown. Her brother faced severe mental and 
+physical stress wondering when his next paycheck would come.
+    Aerospace companies in Northwest Washington let me know they feared 
+they would need to suspend production.
+    Local aviation safety personnel received pay stubs for $0.
+    And another air traffic controller with whom I met had to dip into 
+her children's college savings to get by.
+    During the shutdown, thousands of air traffic controllers, 
+engineers, technicians and critical safety personnel were working 
+without pay.
+    U.S. aviation is the gold standard of flight because of these 
+skilled individuals. Their work ensures the safety of the traveling 
+public and efficiency of the U.S. airspace.
+    As I noted, the FAA was unable to begin implementation of 
+Congressional mandates in the FAA Reauthorization, such as requiring 
+ten hours of rest for flight attendants, further integrating new users 
+into the airspace and addressing sexual harassment of employees, 
+passengers and crew.
+    Furloughed FAA inspectors were unable to approve new aircraft, 
+aviation products and infrastructure, hindering U.S. global 
+competitiveness.
+    The FAA's work on streamlining the certification process for 
+aviation and aerospace products, came to a halt.
+    No new Airport Improvement Program grants could be issued, hurting 
+projects to modernize and maintain airports.
+    As the full Committee heard last week, federal aviation 
+infrastructure investment falls far short of growing needs.
+    Washington state alone needs over $190 billion in infrastructure 
+investments, with aviation projects requiring $12.6 billion.
+    Congress must do what it can to ensure the FAA, its employees and 
+the U.S. aviation economy are protected from another government 
+shutdown.
+    To this end, Committee Chair DeFazio and I introduced legislation 
+that authorizes the FAA to continue to draw from the Airport and Airway 
+Trust Fund (AATF) during a funding lapse and operate at current funding 
+levels with no Congressional action required.
+    The partial government shutdown unnecessarily hurt American 
+families and jeopardized the safety of the largest, busiest and most 
+complex airspace system in the world.
+    To use a metaphor, the lights must stay on at runways across the 
+United States.
+    I appreciate the witnesses for taking the time to join today's 
+discussion and for your work during the shutdown.
+    I look forward to hearing more about the impacts on your members, 
+and how Congress can support you in the future.
+    It is my hope that with this hearing, this Subcommittee will have 
+made its case that the shutdown impacts are harmful to the economy and 
+that the Aviation Funding Stability Act is the mechanism to shield the 
+FAA and the aviation and aerospace economy from the detrimental impacts 
+of future shutdowns.
+    And I look forward to getting this Subcommittee back to its 
+forward-looking agenda of ensuring aviation safety, fostering 
+innovation in U.S. airspace, improving U.S. competitiveness in the 
+global marketplace, and enhancing the air travel experience for 
+passengers.
+
+    Mr. Larsen. And I want to now call, though, on the ranking 
+member of the full committee, Mr. Sam Graves, for the ranking 
+member's statement.
+    Mr. Graves of Missouri. Thank you, Chairman Larsen, and 
+congratulations on being appointed to chairman. It is always 
+good.
+    I guess if you think about it, we have probably averted 
+another shutdown. That is the good news. But with the Green New 
+Deal or the Green Dream, I guess we are not going to have to 
+worry about that in aviation anymore because we are going to 
+shut down the whole aviation sector and all 11 million jobs 
+that go along with that.
+    Mr. Larsen. A point I have made myself.
+    Mr. Graves of Missouri. My actual purpose today is I want 
+to thank the NATCA employees, the PASS employees, and all the 
+Federal employees who worked without pay during the shutdown to 
+keep the economy moving and our skies safe. And I understand 
+that during the entire duration of the shutdown, while the 
+number of operations were up from the same time as last year, 
+there was no increase in serious safety incidents. And we owe a 
+tremendous debt of gratitude for the professionalism that was 
+displayed under some very difficult circumstances.
+    As we learn more about the short- and long-term impacts of 
+the shutdown, Congress has to hear, I believe, from the FAA and 
+the Department of Transportation about how the shutdown played 
+out and what efforts are underway to recover from those obvious 
+impacts. This information, I think, is vital to us to truly 
+understand the scope of the situation.
+    [Mr. Graves of Missouri's prepared statement follows:]
+
+                                
+  Statement of Hon. Sam Graves, a Representative in Congress from the 
+State of Missouri, and Ranking Member, Committee on Transportation and 
+                             Infrastructure
+    Thank you, Chairman Larsen for holding this hearing and 
+congratulations on being named Subcommittee Chairman.
+    Fortunately, it looks like another shutdown will be averted. 
+Although if some in Congress get their way, we may not have to worry 
+about shutting down the aviation system in the future--because 
+apparently, under the Green New Deal, there wouldn't even be an 
+aviation system anymore. Imagining replacing our aviation system--a 
+cornerstone of our economy that provides approximately 11 million 
+Americans with jobs--is just ludicrous, but that's a topic for another 
+day.
+    Today, I want to thank NATCA employees, PASS employees, and all 
+Federal employees who worked without pay during the shutdown to keep 
+our economy moving and our skies safe. I understand that during the 
+duration of the shutdown, while the number of operations were up from 
+the same time last year, there was no increase in serious safety 
+incidents.
+    We owe you all a tremendous debt of gratitude for your 
+professionalism under very difficult circumstances.
+    As we learn more about the short- and long-term impacts of the 
+shutdown, Congress must hear from the FAA and the Department of 
+Transportation about how the shutdown played out and what efforts are 
+underway to recover from those impacts. This information is vital for 
+us to truly understand the scope of the situation.
+
+    Mr. Graves of Missouri. So with that, I thank you again for 
+having this important hearing, and appreciate the opportunity 
+very much.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Mr. Graves.
+    I now recognize the chair of the full committee, Mr. 
+DeFazio, for a statement.
+    Mr. DeFazio. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. Your election--we do not 
+appoint them on our side, Sam; we elect them--is a high point, 
+and I think it is going to benefit aviation and the industry 
+very well.
+    Like the two before me, I want to thank all of those who 
+worked without pay during the 35 days. I also want to thank 
+those who were furloughed and have come back to a mountain of 
+work, and feel like maybe that they are not essential. They are 
+essential, and I want to assure them that that, in part, is why 
+we have this legislation before us today.
+    I met with local employees, including air traffic 
+controllers, and one younger, newer controller was working 
+overtime because my tower, like many across the country, is 
+understaffed so they are already working overtime shifts. But 
+he also, because of a lack of pay, had to take a job as an Uber 
+driver.
+    So how rested is that young man if he works extra hours in 
+a very stressful job and then undertakes something else that 
+barely makes him minimum wage so that they can at least put on 
+the table? That just cannot happen again. And that certainly 
+happened to people, and I am sure TSA workers and many others 
+were doing that in addition to the garage sales and all those 
+other stupid things that were recommended they do or they had 
+to do out of necessity.
+    I am concerned that the system was not as safe as it could 
+and should be during the shutdown because of the reason I 
+already mentioned: people stressed out, not getting paychecks, 
+doing extra work to provide for their families. Aviation is too 
+critical to allow this to happen again.
+    And we still have not gotten over the impacts of the 2013 
+shutdown, where the school was closed and a bunch of the people 
+who were in the school, some of them aged out, actually, and 
+others just did not come back. And I imagine this time it might 
+even be worse because it was a longer shutdown and they are 
+going to question, boy, am I going to go through this rigorous 
+training process to get a job where every once in a while I am 
+working for free?
+    So we are discouraging the next generation, and we are 
+already at a critical point with so many people eligible to 
+retire. And by the way, if they say, ``Wow, retirees got paid 
+and I did not; maybe it is time for me to pull the plug,'' they 
+are not going to be there to train that next generation of air 
+traffic controllers.
+    So we have got to provide some certainty to those who are 
+working there now and those who want to work there in the 
+future and those who work in other aspects. The critical things 
+that the FAA is working on did not get done.
+    It took me 3 years to finally push back against the model 
+aircraft people and require that we have remote drone 
+identification, which is absolutely critical, or we are going 
+to be shutting down airports all around the country because 
+some idiot is illegally flying their drone and we cannot find 
+them? And sooner or later they are going to fly one into a 
+turbine engine, and maybe we are going to have a catastrophic 
+failure.
+    So they have got to get that rule out. The flight attendant 
+duty time rule was delayed. Many other critical rulemakings 
+were delayed at the FAA. So that is why we have introduced this 
+legislation. The FAA is unique. It pays for itself. Why should 
+they be subject to a shutdown?
+    And it is so critical, and it is so safety critical, and it 
+is internationally critical. So this is, I think, a commonsense 
+piece of legislation. I am hopeful that once we get whatever 
+deal is coming forth this week passed, if we get it passed, and 
+if it gets signed by the President, and we do not have another 
+shutdown, which I am cautiously optimistic, that people will 
+look favorably upon our legislation as a way of preventing this 
+sort of dysfunction in the future.
+    With that, I yield back the balance of my time.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    So I would now like to move to the panel--oh, I am sorry. 
+First I will move to Mr. Graves. The other Mr. Graves is 
+recognized.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And first 
+I want to congratulate you for assuming the chairmanship of the 
+subcommittee. I look forward to working with you and continuing 
+the longstanding bipartisan tradition that this committee and 
+subcommittee has held. And I look forward also, Mr. DeFazio, 
+for continuing to work with you in building on some of the 
+success we have had in recent years on transportation highway 
+bill, the water resources bill, the disaster bill, FAA bill, 
+and others.
+    And Ranking Member Graves, I want to thank you for the 
+confidence that you have instilled in appointing us to this 
+position, and looking forward to working with you and the other 
+leadership to implement the FAA authorization bill and many 
+other priorities.
+    First, I want to thank the FAA employees and many other 
+Federal employees who worked during the shutdown without being 
+paid. Let's be clear on what a shutdown is. A shutdown is a 
+failure of elected officials to do their job. I feel very much 
+for the Federal employees that were working without pay 
+because, one, you did not do anything to deserve it; two, you 
+cannot do anything to solve it. And I think that is unfair.
+    In regard to us, I think that one of the real solutions is 
+actually to force Members of Congress to not get paid during a 
+shutdown, and make it automatic, to where we feel the pain as 
+much or more so than any other Federal employee that is 
+subjected to our inability to come up with solutions. We did 
+donate. We tried to reject our pay from December. We did donate 
+all of our pay from December during the shutdown to various 
+organizations, including Coast Guard Foundation, Coast Guard 
+Mutual Assistance, and others. We worked on a daily basis to 
+bring food to Federal employees at TSA, FAA, Coast Guard, 
+Federal law enforcement agencies, and others, in many cases 
+working together with Congressman Cedric Richmond, in an effort 
+to somewhat temper the blow and also show strong support to the 
+Federal employees that were stuck in the predicament that they 
+were.
+    While I know that the focus right now is on the last 
+shutdown, and I get it--that is the one that is on everyone's 
+minds--I think it is also important to keep in mind that during 
+the Carter administration, I believe we had 56 days' worth of 
+shutdowns. During the Obama administration, we had a 16-day 
+shutdown. And the second longest shutdown in American history, 
+or in recent history, at least, was during the Clinton 
+administration.
+    And I say it again: It is a failure of our ability to do 
+our jobs. And I think it is inappropriate. And I hate that the 
+Federal employees ended up carrying the burden of this. But it 
+is important also, as Ranking Member Graves noted, that it 
+looks like we are going to be able to avert a shutdown and 
+provide a full fiscal year budget through September 30th of 
+this year and immediately begin working on the fiscal year 2020 
+budget. And I am excited and looking forward to the opportunity 
+to work with you all on the authorization components of those 
+to make sure that we can continue to have a functional 
+Government moving forward.
+    So I want to say again I want to thank you for being here. 
+I am sorry that the Federal employees were impacted the way 
+that they were. And I am looking forward to working with 
+Chairman Larsen to continue implementation of the FAA 
+Authorization Act and many other important priorities within 
+the aviation industry. I yield back.
+    [Mr. Graves of Louisiana's prepared statement follows:]
+
+                                
+Statement of Hon. Garret Graves, a Representative in Congress from the 
+    State of Louisiana, and Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Aviation
+    Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for calling this important hearing on the 
+impacts of the shutdown to the aviation system.
+    I want to start by first congratulating you on your selection as 
+chair of the Subcommittee on Aviation. This Subcommittee has a long 
+history of bipartisan cooperation and of setting aside politics to 
+ensure that our national air transportation system remains vibrant and 
+safe. I look forward to working with you and with all members of the 
+Subcommittee.
+    Nothing exemplifies this Subcommittee's bipartisanship better than 
+the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018, which is the longest FAA 
+reauthorization since the 1980's. As this Subcommittee oversees the 
+many mandates included in the law, it is important that we understand 
+the status of the FAA's implementation plans following the shutdown.
+    It is unfortunate that the FAA is not here today to share that 
+information with us, but I know the Subcommittee will be focusing on 
+the FAA's implementation efforts in the coming months.
+    It is also important that we understand both the short-and long-
+term impacts of shutdowns on our system and on aerospace stakeholders. 
+Today's witnesses and the stakeholders they represent can take credit 
+for maintaining the safe operation of the National Airspace System 
+during the shutdown. The professionalism of the men and women who run 
+the day-to-day operations of all aspects of the system is remarkable. 
+Despite very trying circumstances, they continued their work ensuring 
+the safety of the system and are to be commended.
+    I thank the witnesses for participating in today's hearing.
+
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Mr. Graves, for your comments. 
+Appreciate that very much.
+    And now let's turn to the panel. I want to welcome our 
+witnesses: Mr. Paul Rinaldi, president of the National Air 
+Traffic Controllers Association, AFL-CIO; Mr. Mike Perrone, 
+national president, Professional Aviation Safety Specialists; 
+Mr. Nicholas E. Calio, president and CEO of Airlines for 
+America; Ms. Sara Nelson, international president, Association 
+of Flight Attendants-CWA; and Mr. Pete Bunce, president and CEO 
+of General Aviation Manufacturers Association.
+    Thank you for being here today. We all look forward to your 
+testimony. I am going to ask unanimous consent that our 
+witnesses' full statements be included in the record. Without 
+objection, so ordered. And since your written testimony has 
+been made part of the record, the subcommittee requests that 
+you limit your oral testimony to 5 minutes.
+    So we will proceed with testimony, starting with Mr. 
+Rinaldi.
+
+  TESTIMONY OF PAUL RINALDI, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL AIR TRAFFIC 
+ CONTROLLERS ASSOCIATION, AFL-CIO; MICHAEL PERRONE, PRESIDENT, 
+PROFESSIONAL AVIATION SAFETY SPECIALISTS, AFL-CIO; NICHOLAS E. 
+ CALIO, PRESIDENT AND CEO, AIRLINES FOR AMERICA; SARA NELSON, 
+INTERNATIONAL PRESIDENT, ASSOCIATION OF FLIGHT ATTENDANTS--CWA, 
+    AFL-CIO; AND PETER J. BUNCE, PRESIDENT AND CEO, GENERAL 
+               AVIATION MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION
+
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Thank you, Chairman Larsen and Ranking Member 
+Graves, Chairman DeFazio, Ranking Member Graves. Thank you for 
+the opportunity to testify about the negative effects of the 
+35-day shutdown on the members of the National Air Traffic 
+Controllers Association.
+    Every day over 70,000 flights and 2 million passengers move 
+through our National Airspace System. Although it is the safest 
+system in the world, during the shutdown many of our programs 
+that reduce the risk and enhance the safety of the system have 
+come to a complete stop.
+    At the time that the shutdown finally ended, I believe the 
+system was on the verge of unraveling. Even though the system 
+is safer today than it was during the shutdown, it is still 
+less safe than it was before the shutdown. The shutdown eroded 
+critical layers that are necessary to support and maintain the 
+safety of the National Airspace System.
+    For example, programs to prevent wrong surface landings 
+were paused. Each year we have more than 200 events in which 
+aircraft lands, or attempts to land, on wrong runways, 
+taxiways, or even, believe it or not, the entirely wrong 
+airport. Most recently last week at Philadelphia International 
+Airport, a flight was cleared to land on runway 35, but it had 
+lined itself up with the parallel taxiway of Taxiway Echo.
+    A runway safety enhancement called ATAP alerted the 
+controller immediately, who instructed the pilot to execute a 
+go-around. The pilot overflew two commercial airplanes on the 
+taxiway by 600 feet. ATAP is deployed in six airports across 
+this country. Prior to the shutdown, the FAA had scheduled to 
+deploy ATAP at 13 major additional airports by the end of 
+March. That implementation is now delayed to the end of June.
+    In addition, the FAA stopped addressing the risk identified 
+through our voluntary safety reporting program ATSAP. ATAP and 
+ATSAP are just two of a dozen programs that are now 
+significantly delayed and were not functioning correctly during 
+the shutdown. That is what makes the system less safe today.
+    Mr. Chairman, on January 25th, travelers experienced delays 
+due to decreased capacity. Because the system is complex and 
+interconnected, when delays occur at one facility, it ripples 
+across the entire system. On that day, a small number of 
+controllers in critically staffed areas at two facilities 
+individually determined they were not fit for duty.
+    NATCA did not coordinate these absences. This was the 
+result of illness and the stress of working over a month 
+without getting paid and not knowing when you are going to get 
+paid. NATCA does not condone or approve any Federal employee 
+participating in a coordinating activity that negatively 
+affects the capacity of the National Airspace System.
+    Mr. Chairman, the pressure and the extra stress that was 
+inserted into our National Airspace System because of the 
+shutdown was intense. We were getting text messages from 
+controllers with 17 years' worth of experience making mistakes 
+on routine clearances, climbing airplanes into paths of other 
+airplanes at the same altitude because they were distracted 
+because they were thinking about their mortgage. They were 
+thinking about school payments, car payments, food. They were 
+thinking about the shutdown. They were fatigued. They were not 
+focused at the task at hand.
+    We had controllers going to work every day driving Ubers, 
+waiting on tables, to take care of their family. We have worked 
+really hard to mitigate distractions and reduce the fatigue in 
+our work environment, but this shutdown increased fatigue and 
+inserted all types of distractions in our control rooms.
+    Add insult to injury, our workforce still has not been made 
+financially whole. This is completely unacceptable, inserting 
+this type of risk into our system. As you know, we are at a 30-
+year low of fully certified controllers in the system, of which 
+20 percent of them can retire at any moment. If 20 percent 
+retire tomorrow because we look at another shutdown, we will 
+not be able to run the volume of traffic we do today.
+    It takes 3 to 5 years to mentor an apprentice to become a 
+fully certified controller. The FAA had to stop their hiring 
+and shut down the training academy because of the shutdown. Our 
+staffing crisis is exacerbated by the shutdown. We need to make 
+sure this never happens again.
+    I want to thank the Secretary of Transportation Elaine 
+Chao, along with Acting Administrator Dan Elwell and the ATO 
+Chief Operating Officer Teri Bristol, for their leadership 
+through this unacceptable challenge of the National Airspace 
+System.
+    Chairman DeFazio, Chairman Larsen, I applaud you for 
+introducing the Aviation Funding Stability Act of 2019, H.R. 
+1108. NATCA strongly supports this bill because it meets our 
+four core principles and it ensures the safety and efficiency 
+of the National Airspace System. It protects the front line 
+workforce. The bill provides stable, predictable funding for 
+our National Airspace System, and it gives the ability to 
+continue to provide service to all the users of the aviation 
+community.
+    NATCA urges all Members of Congress to support this 
+legislation. I thank you for your time, and I look forward to 
+your questions.
+    [The prepared statement of Mr. Rinaldi follows:]
+
+                                
+Prepared Statement of Paul M. Rinaldi, President, National Air Traffic 
+                    Controllers Association, AFL-CIO
+    Thank you for the opportunity to testify on behalf of the National 
+Air Traffic Controllers Association, AFL-CIO (NATCA) about ``Putting 
+U.S. Aviation at Risk: The Impact of the Shutdown.'' NATCA is the 
+exclusive representative for nearly 20,000 employees, including the 
+Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) air traffic controllers, 
+traffic management coordinators and specialists, flight service station 
+air traffic controllers, staff support specialists, engineers and 
+architects, and other aviation safety professionals, as well as 
+Department of Defense (DoD) and Federal Contract Tower (FCT) air 
+traffic controllers.
+                            general overview
+                            
+    On Friday, January 25, the longest Federal Government shutdown in 
+U.S. history ended after 35 days. However, no one should be under the 
+illusion that it was business as usual for aviation during the 
+shutdown. Every day, 71,500 flights and over 2 million passengers move 
+through the National Airspace System (NAS). Although it is the safest 
+and most efficient system in the world, during the shutdown, many 
+activities and processes that proactively reduce risk and increase 
+safety were suspended. Even though the NAS is safer now than it was 
+during the shutdown, it is less safe today than it was before the 
+shutdown began.
+    The NAS and the FAA did not revert to normalcy when the shutdown 
+ended. It may take weeks, months, or even years for some aspects of the 
+system to return to normal order. That also is assuming that the 3-week 
+continuing resolution (CR) that ended the shutdown leads to a longer 
+term appropriations bill that averts another shutdown on February 15.
+    Over 3,000 aviation safety professionals represented by NATCA were 
+furloughed, along with hundreds of thousands of other Federal 
+employees. Another 15,000 NATCA-represented controllers and aviation 
+safety professionals continued to work for more than a month without 
+pay, and without the necessary support staff who provide a critical 
+layer of safety in operating and overseeing the safest, most complex, 
+most efficient airspace system in the world. All of these air traffic 
+controllers and aviation safety professionals were used as pawns in a 
+political fight that had nothing to do with aviation. This is wrong and 
+must not be allowed to happen again.
+    The safety of the NAS is vital and should never be used as a 
+bargaining tool. Our work needs to be 100 percent right, 100 percent of 
+the time. Air traffic control is an inherently stressful profession and 
+it is wrong that the men and women who operate and oversee the system 
+were forced to worry about how they would feed their families or pay 
+their rent or mortgage while performing their work without pay.
+    Moreover, nearly 20 percent of all certified professional 
+controllers (CPC) are currently eligible to retire. We know from 
+anecdotal evidence that the shutdown led some controllers to decide to 
+retire earlier than they had planned. We also know that other 
+controllers who were not yet eligible to retire, as well as a few 
+students at the FAA Academy, chose to resign in order to find another 
+way to pay their rent and feed their families. The NAS cannot sustain 
+greater-than-anticipated controller attrition without resulting in 
+reduced capacity--meaning more flight delays for the flying public.
+    The reality that no one wants to hear is that the NAS was less safe 
+during the shutdown than before it began. The system began to 
+experience decreased efficiency and capacity as a result of the 
+shutdown and was on the verge of unraveling. NATCA sounded the alarm. 
+Our leadership was receiving messages from controllers with decades of 
+experience who had aircraft under their control climbing directly into 
+the path of another aircraft because they were stressed and distracted 
+with the uncertainty on when the shutdown would end, thinking about 
+their mortgage and car payments, medical bills, and feeding their 
+families, rather than their jobs.
+    On the day the shutdown ended, January 25, travelers experienced a 
+number of flight delays due to decreased capacity. Because the NAS is 
+an extremely complex and interconnected system, when delays occur at 
+one major facility there is a ripple effect across the adjoining 
+airspace and sometimes throughout the entire system. NATCA did not 
+coordinate these controller absences. NATCA does not condone or endorse 
+any Federal employees participating in or advocating for a coordinated 
+activity that negatively affects the capacity of the NAS or other 
+activities that undermine the professional image and reputation of the 
+men and women we represent.
+    On that day, a small number of controllers from critically staffed 
+areas in two air traffic control facilities individually determined 
+that they were not fit for duty. This was a result of illnesses, the 
+stress of working for over a month without being paid, and not knowing 
+when the shutdown would end and normalcy would return.
+    Given the unprecedented nature and length of the shutdown, there is 
+no question that it has damaged and will continue to harm the system, 
+which supports 12 million aviation-related jobs and contributes over 
+$1.5 trillion annually to the U.S. economy. Every time the Government 
+is shut down, or brought to the brink of a shutdown due to political 
+disagreements that have nothing to do with aviation, it has real 
+consequences for real people. Unfortunately, shutdowns and threats of 
+shutdowns have become a common occurrence.
+    Since the start of Fiscal Year 2018, the FAA has experienced 3 
+shutdowns and 11 additional threatened shutdowns either due to a lapse 
+in appropriations or a lapse in FAA authorization. Below is a timeline 
+of this stop-and-go funding cycle since the beginning of fiscal year 
+2018:
+      Sept. 30, 2017--Threatened Lapse in both Appropriations 
+and FAA Authorization (CR through 12/8; and FAA Extension through 3/31)
+      Dec. 8, 2017--Threatened Lapse in Appropriations (CR 
+through 12/22)
+      Dec. 22, 2017--Threatened Lapse in Appropriations (CR 
+through 1/19)
+      Jan. 20, 2018--THREE-DAY SHUTDOWN (CR through 2/9)
+      Feb. 9, 2018--MULTIHOUR SHUTDOWN (CR through 3/23)
+      March 23, 2018--Threatened Lapse in Appropriations (CR 
+through 9/30)
+      March 31, 2018--Threatened Lapse in FAA Authorization; 
+(Extension through 9/30)
+      Oct. 1, 2018--Threatened Lapse in both Appropriations and 
+FAA Authorization (received CR through 12/7; and FAA Extension through 
+10/7)
+      Oct. 7, 2018--Threatened Lapse in FAA Authorization (5-
+year FAA Reauthorization)
+      Dec. 7, 2018--Threatened Lapse in Appropriations (CR 
+through 12/2)
+      Dec. 22, 2018--35-DAY SHUTDOWN (CR through 2/15)
+      Feb. 15, 2019--Threatened Lapse in Appropriations (TBD)
+                        critical safety concerns
+    The shutdown was tremendously harmful because it eroded the layers 
+of critical elements necessary to support and maintain the safety of 
+the NAS. Many safety activities that proactively reduce risk and 
+increase the safety of the NAS were suspended as a result of the 
+shutdown. For instance, the FAA Air Traffic Organization's (ATO) Top 5 
+Hazards in the NAS were not being addressed, which include risks 
+associated with Pilot Weather Reports (PIREPS), Wrong Surface Landings, 
+Safety Alerts, Altitude Compliance, and Operational Risk Management 
+(ORM).
+    Specifically, safety enhancements that prevent wrong surface 
+landings were suspended because of the shutdown. Each year, there are 
+more than 200 events in which an aircraft lands, or attempts to land, 
+on the wrong runway, on a taxiway, or at the wrong airport entirely. 
+The aviation industry, NATCA, and the FAA are working on the 
+implementation and additional development of new technologies that 
+would provide air traffic controllers with an early warning system 
+designed to mitigate the risk of aircraft landing on the incorrect 
+surface (i.e. runway, a taxiway, or at the wrong airport). Development 
+was significantly delayed because of the shutdown.
+    Just last week, at Philadelphia International Airport (PHL), a 
+flight was cleared to land on Runway 35, but aligned itself on Taxiway 
+E, parallel to the intended runway. A runway safety enhancement in 
+Airport Surface Detection System--Model X (ASDE-X) called ASDE-X 
+Taxiway Arrival Prediction (ATAP) Alerting System alerted the local 
+controller who immediately instructed the pilot to execute a go-around. 
+The pilot overflew two commercial airplanes on the taxiway by 600 and 
+700 feet respectively on the go-around.
+    The ATAP system is currently enabled at five airports in addition 
+to PHL: Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL), Bradley 
+International Airport (BDL), Charlotte Douglas International Airport 
+(CLT), Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (DFW), and Seattle-
+Tacoma International Airport (SEA). Prior to the shutdown, the FAA 
+scheduled ATAP to be enabled on March 31, 2019, at 13 additional major 
+airports. However, due to the shutdown, that implementation is now 
+delayed until June 30, 2019, at eight airports: Baltimore/Washington 
+International Thurgood Marshall Airport (BWI), Newark Liberty 
+International Airport (EWR), Honolulu Control Facility (HCF), McCarran 
+International Airport (LAS), Chicago Midway International Airport 
+(MDW), Memphis International Airport (MEM), Chicago O'Hare 
+International Airport (ORD), and Salt Lake City International Airport 
+(SLC).
+    Voluntary safety reporting programs, such as the Air Traffic Safety 
+Action Program (ATSAP), also were negatively affected. Critical 
+communication between the ATSAP review teams and furloughed staff was 
+deferred, resulting in an inability to properly identify and mitigate 
+safety and training deficiencies. The voluntary safety reporting 
+program for NATCA-represented engineers and service area support staff 
+also was not operating, while all work on existing reported safety 
+issues and associated mitigation activities was suspended.
+    In addition, some of the critical safety equipment and technology 
+that controllers use every day is decades old and at risk of 
+malfunctioning. Even before the shutdown, the FAA had moved to a ``fix-
+on-fail'' maintenance philosophy and had stopped stockpiling critical 
+parts for essential operational equipment. However, because of the 
+shutdown, critical maintenance and repair projects have been delayed 
+even more. There now is a backlog of maintenance projects at facilities 
+around the country. An additional Government shutdown would make this 
+situation worse.
+   the negative effects on the workforce and the controller staffing 
+                                 crisis
+    The partial Government shutdown was a disaster for the FAA 
+workforce, including air traffic controllers, traffic management 
+coordinators, and other aviation safety professionals who worked 
+without pay for more than a month. Many of them still have not been 
+made whole financially. It also was disastrous for over 3,000 NATCA-
+represented FAA employees who were furloughed without pay during the 
+shutdown. Their critical safety work wasn't being performed at all and 
+piled up awaiting their return to duty.
+Shutdown Exacerbated Controller Fatigue Problem
+    In a voluntary survey of NATCA members, we found that many of them 
+started working second jobs because their chosen profession was not 
+paying them. Air traffic controllers are subject to very strict fatigue 
+rules that are intended to ensure that they receive appropriate rest 
+and sleep between shifts. However, in order to make ends meet during 
+the shutdown, many controllers were not resting or sleeping as much 
+between shifts. Instead, they were working second jobs so that they 
+could pay their rent and feed their families. This was a significant 
+problem, because during their non-working time air traffic controllers 
+need to be resting, relaxing, and sleeping in order to counteract the 
+unique stress and fatigue that comes with the job.
+    FAA Order 7210.3AA prescribes the specific fatigue rules and shift 
+limitations based upon fatigue science studies for controllers, 
+including the 10-hour maximum per shift for all radar facilities and 
+air traffic control towers. It also mandates the duration and frequency 
+of rest periods between shifts. Specifically, that order provides:
+
+  Air traffic control specialists whose primary duties are those 
+directly related to the control and separation of aircraft must meet 
+the following criteria:
+    1.  Do not work more than 10 operational hours in a shift.
+    2.  Hours worked before a shift, whether operational or not, will 
+count as operational hours.
+    3.  All work beyond 10 hours must be nonoperational.
+    4.  Have at least an 8-hour break from the time work ends to the 
+start of any shift, except as follows:
+     (a)  Employees are required to have a minimum of 9 consecutive 
+hours off duty preceding the start of a day shift. For purposes of this 
+paragraph only, a day shift is generally defined as a shift where the 
+majority of hours fall between 7 o'clock a.m. and 4 o'clock p.m.
+     (b)  This requirement applies to all shift changes, swaps, and 
+overtime to include scheduled, call-in, and holdover assignments.
+    5.  Have an off-duty period of at least 12 hours following a 
+midnight shift. (A midnight shift is defined as a shift in which the 
+majority of hours are worked between 10:30 p.m. and 6:30 a.m.)
+    6.  If an employee is assigned more than two (2) consecutive ten 
+(10) hour midnight shifts, all of the consecutive ten (10) hour 
+midnight shifts require a 2100L (Non flex) start time.
+    7.  Ten (10) hour midnight shifts are limited to no more than four 
+(4) in any six (6) day period.
+    8.  No day shift may immediately precede a ten (10) hour midnight 
+shift.
+    9.  Eight (8) hour midnight shifts may be extended by no more than 
+one (1) hour per single shift.
+    10.  A 0530L start time or later is required when working an eight 
+(8) hour day shift prior to an eight (8) hour midnight shift. Employees 
+may not flex to an earlier start time than 0530L.
+    11.  Do not work more than six shifts without taking a regular day 
+off.
+    12.  Authorized leave, compensatory time used, and credit hours 
+used are considered hours of work.
+    13.  These criteria apply to shift adjustments, including the 
+exchange of shifts and/or days off and the change of shifts and/or days 
+off.
+    Even under normal circumstances, extended workdays and workweeks 
+can lead to significant fatigue concerns for the workforce. Just last 
+week, the National Transportation Safety Board once again identified 
+fatigue on its list of 10 most wanted transportation safety 
+improvements. Although NATCA and FAA, along with other stakeholders, 
+have worked collaboratively to develop a fatigue awareness and 
+education campaign called ``Fully Charged,'' which is part of the 
+collaborative Foundations of Professionalism program, the only long-
+term solution is sufficient staffing.
+    NATCA has worked very closely with the FAA in recent years to 
+develop and implement new fatigue risk management tools and to educate 
+the workforce on the need for rest and sleep during non-work time. This 
+shutdown undermined all this essential work. A tired workforce will 
+make more mistakes. A tired and distracted workforce will make even 
+more. The shutdown injected significant risk into a system that is 
+designed to eliminate risk.
+Hiring Freeze and FAA Academy Closure
+    The FAA Training Academy in Oklahoma City was closed during the 
+shutdown and just began classes again last week. The FAA also suspended 
+hiring and training for all new hires and controller advanced skills 
+classes were canceled throughout the shutdown.
+    In late December 2018, the FAA gave notices to approximately 440 
+students at the FAA Academy placing them on furlough or returning them 
+to their facilities where they are partially certified. FAA also gave a 
+stop work order to Science Applications International Corporation 
+(SAIC), the contractor that performs training functions at the Academy. 
+The FAA canceled a month of Air Traffic Basics courses and advised over 
+100 students not to show up for their scheduled class start dates. The 
+FAA canceled additional classes through February 11. Now that classes 
+have started again, all future students will have to be rescheduled 
+into appropriate classes to begin training later than what would have 
+otherwise occurred.
+    Prior to the shutdown, the FAA's hiring target for fiscal year 2019 
+was 1,431 and now we are concerned that the goal will not be 
+attainable. This is unacceptable. Further staffing reductions could 
+have an immediate and detrimental effect on capacity, meaning fewer 
+aircraft in the sky and greater potential for delays.
+No Staffing for Integrating New Users and Implementing NextGen 
+        Technology
+    If this staffing crisis continues, the FAA will be hard-pressed to 
+maintain current capacity, let alone modernize the system and expand it 
+for new users, such as commercial space operations, Unmanned Aircraft 
+Systems (UAS), and supersonic jets. Understaffing at air traffic 
+facilities hinders the deployment and training of NextGen programs, 
+procedures, and equipment. Moreover, integrating new users into the NAS 
+was put on hold during the shutdown, and those delays will negatively 
+affect private sector innovation--both big and small companies alike.
+Air Traffic Controller Staffing Crisis Background
+    Air traffic controller staffing has been a concern for many years. 
+It reached a crisis level in 2015 and despite some recent progress 
+within the FAA's hiring, training, and transfer processes, it remains a 
+challenge, one that has been exacerbated by the shutdown.
+    Since 2015, NATCA has been raising concern and awareness about the 
+staffing issue because of the disastrous effects that further staffing 
+reductions could have on system capacity. On December 8, 2015, NATCA 
+addressed the controller staffing crisis at a congressional Roundtable 
+policy discussion held by this subcommittee. On June 15, 2016, NATCA 
+testified about the controller staffing crisis before this subcommittee 
+at a hearing titled ``A Review of the Federal Aviation's Air Traffic 
+Controller Hiring, Staffing and Training Plans.'' Then, on May 17, 
+2017, NATCA again testified about the controller staffing crisis, as 
+part of the justification for needing ATC reform, before the full 
+Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, at a hearing titled 
+``The Need to Reform the Federal Aviation Administration and Air 
+Traffic Control to Build a 21st-Century Aviation System for America.''
+    The FAA's CPC workforce has reached a 30-year low. Controller 
+staffing has fallen 10 percent since 2011, and a significant percentage 
+of the certified controller workforce remains eligible to retire (18 
+percent). Stop-and-go funding for the FAA has made this problem worse. 
+Sequestration forced the FAA to institute a hiring freeze and shutter 
+the FAA Academy between March and December 2013. The hiring freeze 
+compounded an already tenuous staffing situation in which the FAA had 
+barely been able to replace retiring controllers. The FAA never made up 
+for the sequester-related hiring freeze in 2013.
+    New hires who are admitted into the FAA Academy today will require 
+2 to 5 years of training before they become fully trained and capable 
+of separating air traffic on their own. Moreover, of those who are 
+admitted, currently only 64 percent of students in either the Tower/
+Terminal or En Route options will successfully complete their Academy 
+training and screening before moving on to train at their facility. 
+There is additional attrition once Academy graduates begin on-the-job 
+training at their facilities.
+    Even increased hiring by the FAA in 2015, 2016, and 2017 did not 
+make up for the attrition experienced from 2013 through 2017. Although 
+the FAA has exceeded its hiring targets each of the past 3 years, CPC 
+staffing levels continued to go down by 3.2 percent over that period. 
+One potential solution, as part of a comprehensive hiring and training 
+program, is to utilize the Academy's maximum throughput capacity 
+(approx. 2,000 students per year).
+    Facilities that are at critical staffing levels (defined as 
+requiring mandatory overtime and a 6-day work week to fully staff all 
+positions) are facing a dire situation, as retirement-eligible 
+controllers continue to retire at a high rate, and those left on the 
+job begin the time-intensive process of training controllers 
+transferring from less complex/busy facilities and/or Academy 
+graduates.
+    The shutdown caused a ripple effect further delaying Academy 
+training courses throughout 2019. There is no question that this 
+shutdown has and will continue to exacerbate the existing air traffic 
+controller staffing crisis.
+
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+
+
+              Air Traffic Controller Staffing: 2011-2018 \\
+------------------------------------------------------------------------
+                      2011   2012   2013   2014   2015  2016  2017  2018
+------------------------------------------------------------------------
+On-Board             15,23  15,06  14,46  14,05  14,01  14,0  14,0  14,2
+                      6      3      1      9      0      50    09    85
+CPC \1\              11,63  11,75  11,52  11,19  10,83  10,6  10,5  10,4
+                      9      3      2      2      3      19    44    83
+CPC-IT \2\           965    1,143  1,187  1,200  1,218  1,25  1,20  1,32
+                                                         9     5     0
+DEV \3\ (Including   2,632  2,167  1,741  1,667  1,959  2,17  2,26  2,48
+ AG \4\)                                                 2     0     2
+AG                   676    671    440    665    936    878   883   980
+Retirement Eligible  3,064  3,224  3,077  2,982  3,355  2,91  2,41  1,84
+                                                         5     0     2
+FAA Planned to Hire  829    981    1,315  1,286  1,772  1,61  1,78  1,70
+                                                         9     1     1
+FAA Actually Hired   824    925    554    1,112  1,345  1,68  1,88  1,78
+                                                         0     0     7
+------------------------------------------------------------------------
+\\Source: FAA Finance Staffing Data Snapshot, FAA Controller Workforce
+  Plan
+\1\ CPC: Certified Professional Controller
+\2\ CPC-IT: Certified Professional Controller in Training (fully
+  certified elsewhere, transferred to a new facility and began training
+  there)
+\3\ DEV: Developmental (trainee)
+\4\ AG: Graduate of the FAA Initial Classroom Training Academy in
+  Oklahoma City, newly hired, and started at their first facility as a
+  trainee
+
+                        operational consequences
+    Air traffic control is a complex, high-consequence profession 
+requiring multiple layers of safety processes and procedures (e.g. 
+safety reporting, quality control, quality assurance, training) to 
+ensure that we deliver the highest level of safety to the flying 
+public. Just as you would not ask a surgeon to perform a surgery 
+without their surgical team, you should not require controllers to 
+perform their work without their support team of approximately 3,000 
+NATCA-represented aviation safety professionals, many of whom remained 
+furloughed throughout the shutdown.
+    For example, staff support specialists who work at air traffic 
+control facilities to provide tactical, strategic, and administrative 
+support of training; quality assurance/quality control of air traffic 
+control and traffic management; manage and redesign airspace and air 
+traffic control procedures; support operational automation, military 
+operations, and air traffic safety management systems. They were 
+furloughed during the shutdown. Aircraft certification engineers assist 
+in design, production approvals, and airworthiness certification of 
+aircraft and their components. They were furloughed during the 
+shutdown. Other NATCA-represented engineers design and construct 
+critical infrastructure necessary for safe flight operations including 
+air traffic control towers, radar maintenance and installation, 
+navigational aids, and communications systems. Many of them also were 
+furloughed during the shutdown. FAA's flight test pilots were 
+furloughed during the shutdown.
+ wasted taxpayer money and resources--delays to modernization and the 
+                        integration of new users
+    As a result of the shutdown, all FAA modernization work and new 
+user integration was stopped. The shutdown has and will continue to 
+cause significant delays to these projects, wasting critical resources 
+and Federal taxpayer money. Even now, delays to the timelines for each 
+project will have a cascading effect on each project as the FAA 
+scrambles to restart work and deconflict waterfall timelines. For 
+instance, we know that the shutdown cost taxpayers up to $8M in order 
+to repeat training for controllers related to the implementation and 
+deployment of Enroute Controller Pilot Data Link Communications 
+(CPDLC), most often referred to as DataComm. This system is the next 
+generation of communication between pilots and controllers.
+    In addition, work on integrating new users such as Unmanned 
+Aircraft Systems (UAS), commercial space launches, and supersonic 
+aircraft into the NAS was put on hold, which will negatively affect 
+private sector innovation. Critical construction to the physical 
+infrastructure also stopped at airports and radar facilities across the 
+country.
+Delays to Programs that Benefit General Aviation
+    General aviation also felt the effects of the shutdown as many 
+related programs continue to experience significant delays. Below are 
+some examples of these delayed programs:
+      Northeast Corridor quick climb out procedures out of 
+Teterboro and Westchester County.
+      Multiple Airport Route Separation (MARS) safety case--The 
+MARS concept will procedurally deconflict departure and arrival flows 
+between multiple adjacent airports, with air traffic control providing 
+radar monitoring instead of radar separation and vectoring.
+      Decoupling of approach procedures in LaGuardia (LGA), 
+Newark (EWR), and Teterboro (TEB) to reduce delays.
+      Noise reducing departure procedures out of Teterboro.
+      Atlantic Coast Routings that will eventually improve flow 
+and throughput along the Atlantic seaboard.
+      Use of Performance Based Navigation (PBN) procedures to 
+leverage aircraft avionics and ground infrastructure to maximize safety 
+and efficiency between airports and in congested airspace.
+      Las Vegas and south Florida metroplex projects, which are 
+developing procedures for satellite airports like Henderson Executive 
+Airport (HND), Southwest Florida International Airport in Fort Myers 
+(RSW), Palm Beach International Airport (PBI), and Orlando Executive 
+Airport (ORL).
+Delays to VOR Network Modernization Program (VORMON)
+    The NAS is in the process of transitioning away from a standalone 
+VOR network (i.e. Very High Frequency (VHF) Omni-Directional Range 
+radio ground-based navigational aide) to the more-efficient Performance 
+Based Navigation (PBN) system. Very High Frequency Omni-directional 
+Range Minimum Operational Network (VORMON) will eliminate redundant 
+coverage and will provide more efficient routings in congested 
+metropolitan areas. Conventional airways (SIDS, STARS, IAP, etc.) that 
+were previously supported by VOR may be replaced with PBN procedures.
+    Typically, it takes between 24 to 36 months to design and implement 
+a PBN procedure to replace a conventional VOR procedure. In 2018, 22 
+VORs were removed. In 2019 and 2020, the FAA was scheduled to remove 27 
+and 48 VORs, respectively. This schedule is now in serious jeopardy due 
+to the shutdown.
+Delays to Performance Based Navigation (PBN) Procedures
+    The modernization of the U.S. satellite-based network of PBN flight 
+paths will help air traffic conduct Trajectory Based Operations (TBO). 
+PBN services are laying the foundation for the NAS of the future by 
+enabling many NextGen operational improvements, capabilities, and 
+initiatives. Through these programs, the FAA is beginning to monitor an 
+aircraft's trajectory including its time at points along a 3-D path so 
+that we can anticipate the timing of arrivals at major airports. 
+Ultimately, PBN procedures and routes save time and fuel while reducing 
+emissions.
+    The FAA has already published more than 9,300 PBN procedures and 
+routes. Before the shutdown, there were over 1,000 procedures that were 
+being developed in collaboration with pilots, air traffic controllers, 
+and airports. This has been significantly delayed and, even now that 
+the shutdown is over, it may take 24 to 36 months to continue the 
+design and implementation process for many of these procedures. For 
+instance, multiple large and small PBN projects will be delayed 
+including projects in south Florida, Las Vegas, Detroit, Cleveland, 
+Denver, the Northeast Corridor initiative, and airspace modernization 
+efforts at Louisville International Airport (SDF).
+Time Based Flow Management (TBFM) and Traffic Flow Management System 
+        (TFMS) Further Deployment Delayed
+    TBFM and TFMS will enhance NAS efficiency by using the capabilities 
+of a decision-support tool, which is already deployed at numerous air 
+traffic control facilities. TBFM and TFMS maximize aircraft throughput 
+and capacity within the system in order to maintain a high level of 
+efficiency and predictability by reducing delays, travel time, and fuel 
+expenses. These programs also help reduce the effects on the 
+environment including noise, emissions, and other environmental issues 
+in the implementation and operation of the aviation system.
+    Improvements in TBFM/TFMS core Time Based Metering capability and 
+its trajectory modeler--an expansion of its departure capabilities to 
+additional locations--and enhancements to departure capabilities, will 
+enhance efficiency and optimize demand and capacity. Moreover, 
+capabilities in this portfolio will be leveraged to enable aircraft to 
+maintain a spacing interval behind a preceding aircraft, further 
+improving capacity and flight efficiency. Improvements also will enable 
+controllers to more accurately deliver aircraft to the Terminal Radar 
+Approach Control (TRACON) facilities while providing the opportunity 
+for aircraft to fly optimized descents.
+    Approximately 93 FAA facilities currently have TBFM: 20 Air Route 
+Traffic Control Centers (ARTCCs), 28 TRACONs, and 45 Air Traffic 
+Control Towers. However, enhancements and updates that will enable 
+future capabilities will be significantly delayed due to the shutdown.
+Delays to Terminal Flight Data Manager (TFDM) Deployment
+    TFDM is the surface management solution for NextGen. With growing 
+congestion on the airport surface due to the increase in commercial air 
+traffic nationwide, the need for efficient aircraft traffic planning on 
+the airport ground is critical. This program has been delayed due to 
+the shutdown.
+    Over the life of the system, TFDM is expected to provide 313 
+million gallons in fuel savings, while reducing over 3 million metric 
+tons of carbon emissions. The flying public also will experience fewer 
+delays, more reliable flight schedules, improved passenger 
+satisfaction, and improved predictability. Airlines and other flight 
+operators will experience improved schedule predictability and crew 
+utilization, less taxi time and fuel burn, increased reliability of 
+connection, and reduced departure lines on the taxiway. Airport 
+operators expect to reduce their CO2 footprint, reduce engine noise, 
+and experience a more balanced use of airport resources.
+    Air traffic services expect to benefit through automatically 
+updated flight plans and electronic flight strips, easier rescheduling 
+canceled and delayed flights, fewer aircraft in the movement area and 
+departure queue, and improved surface situational awareness at the 
+TRACON, ARTCC, and Command Center. Most importantly, TFDM will improve 
+safety, as controllers will experience less ``heads down'' time.
+Trajectory Based Operations (TBO) Deployment
+    TBO is an Air Traffic Management (ATM) method for strategically 
+planning, managing, and optimizing flights throughout the NAS by using 
+time-based management, information exchange between air and ground 
+systems, and the aircraft's ability to fly precise paths (PBN) in time 
+and space. TBO deployment at the first three sites--Northeast Corridor, 
+Denver, and Atlanta--has been significantly delayed due to the 
+shutdown.
+    Once fully deployed, TBO will leverage improvements in navigation 
+accuracy, communications, surveillance, and automation to decrease the 
+uncertainty of an aircrafts' path in four dimensions--lateral (latitude 
+and longitude), vertical (altitude) and time--which will result in 
+significant improvements in strategic planning. However, TBO requires 
+every participant and system to be operating on the same plan. That 
+plan is expressed and shared through the agreed trajectory, which is 
+used as a reference for the flight and contains estimates for arrival 
+times at key points along the flight.
+    The time-based parameter provides a common planning reference 
+across all phases of flight, including pre-departure. This facilitates 
+planning integration across ATC domains, enables the FAA to plan 
+against the schedule objectives of users (i.e. departure and arrival 
+times), and allows for more dynamic planning through a constrained area 
+such as a major weather event, metering adjustments across merge points 
+for the convergence of major flows, or for individual aircraft being 
+integrated into congested flows.
+FAA Will Struggle to Meet 2020 Mandate for Automatic Dependent 
+        Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B)
+    ADS-B is a new type of surveillance dependent on a global 
+navigation satellite system (GNSS), typically GPS, where the position 
+of the aircraft is derived in its avionics and broadcast to a network 
+of ground based radio stations. ADS-B positions are typically more 
+accurate than traditional radar and broadcast much faster, about once 
+per second. ADS-B reports also include more information than simply an 
+aircraft's position.
+    The FAA has mandated that all aircraft must be equipped with ``ADS-
+B Out'' technology (equipment installed on the aircraft that transmits 
+position information to the ADS-B system) by January 1, 2020. Prior to 
+the shutdown, ADS-B was scheduled to be deployed at the last FAA 
+facility by September 2019. The FAA now will be hard-pressed to meet 
+that target date and full ADS-B deployment is likely to be delayed.
+Enterprise Information Display System (E-IDS) Development and Testing 
+        Delayed
+    Development and deployment of E-IDS will allow controllers to 
+access vital information while working an operational position such as 
+approach plates, letters of agreement, weather, airport configurations, 
+standard operating procedures, and Notices to Airmen (NOTAMs). E-IDS is 
+currently in the development phase and, once completed, will combine 
+the five existing information display systems into one. Several of 
+these existing systems are well-beyond their lifecycle and are 
+constantly at risk of failing. This program could be significantly 
+delayed due to the shutdown.
+Consolidated Wake Recategorization (CWT)
+    CWT enables controllers to use more efficient aircraft separation 
+standards (flying planes closer together) without compromising safety, 
+which means that more planes can take off and land throughout the 
+system. Currently, CWT is deployed at seven terminal facilities, with 
+18 more to come. Further deployment of this program has been delayed 
+due to the shutdown.
+NextGen Weather Program (NWP)
+    NWP is a critical part of NextGen because it helps reduce the 
+negative effects of weather on aviation, resulting in safer, more 
+efficient, and more predictable day-to-day NAS operations. NWP will be 
+able to provide tailored aviation weather products within the NAS, 
+helping controllers and operators develop reliable flight plans, make 
+better decisions, and improve on-time performance. This program has 
+been delayed due to the shutdown.
+                               conclusion
+    There can be no doubt that the status quo is broken and has been 
+for some time. The 35-day shutdown was just the latest of many 
+instances in which FAA funding, its workforce, and the aviation 
+industry have been held hostage by a political disagreement that has 
+nothing to do with aviation. A second shutdown would be much more 
+disastrous for the system if the 3-week CR does not lead to a longer 
+term appropriations bill on or before February 15.
+    This shutdown emphasized that a stop-and-go funding stream is 
+unsustainable. Stop-and-go funding crises wreak havoc on the NAS, delay 
+critical modernization and infrastructure projects, and exacerbate the 
+current controller staffing crisis, which has resulted in a 30-year low 
+of CPCs. Every time the NAS is forced to endure another shutdown or a 
+threatened lapse in appropriations or FAA authorization, the United 
+States is at risk of losing its status as the safest, most efficient 
+airspace system in the world. We must not let this happen again and 
+NATCA will continue to fight for a solution to this problem.
+    As a result, NATCA's position on air traffic control reform remains 
+consistent. We do not support any one particular reform model and we 
+will meticulously review the details of any proposal before deciding 
+whether to support or oppose it. In order to receive NATCA's 
+consideration for support, a reform proposal must improve upon the 
+status quo, without adopting a for-profit air traffic control model, 
+and--at minimum--meet NATCA's Four Core Principles for Reform:
+    1.  Any reform model must ensure that the frontline workforce is 
+fully protected in its employment relationship. It is crucial to 
+maintain NATCA members' pay and benefits, including retirement and 
+health care, along with our negotiated agreements for their work rules, 
+and indemnification for our members for acts within the scope of their 
+employment.
+    2.  Safety and efficiency must remain the top priorities within the 
+system. We cannot allow maintenance to lag or a reduction in staffing 
+to save money. The NAS must be fully staffed to ensure both safety and 
+efficiency, and to maintain capacity.
+    3.  A stable, predictable funding stream must adequately support 
+air traffic control services, staffing, hiring and training, long-term 
+modernization projects, preventative maintenance, and ongoing 
+modernization to the physical infrastructure. Stop-and-go funding 
+crises slow the hiring and training process, which exacerbate the 
+current controller staffing crisis. The lack of a stable funding stream 
+also prevents timely implementation of NextGen modernization projects.
+    4.  Any reform model must maintain a dynamic aviation system that 
+continues to provide services to all segments of the aviation 
+community, from commercial passenger carriers and cargo haulers to 
+business jets and to general aviation, from the major airports to those 
+in small communities and rural America. We cannot emphasize enough how 
+important it is that our system continues to provide services to the 
+diverse users of the NAS. The United States has a vibrant general 
+aviation community that relies on us, while the economic success of 
+rural America also is connected to access to the NAS through serving 
+even the most remote areas.
+    NATCA thanks Chairman DeFazio and Chairman Larsen for introducing 
+the Aviation Funding Stability Act of 2019 (H.R. 1108). We are urging 
+everyone in Congress to support it. NATCA has thoroughly reviewed the 
+Aviation Funding Stability Act of 2019. It would provide a stable, 
+predictable funding stream for the NAS by preventing Government 
+shutdowns from affecting the FAA. NATCA strongly supports this 
+legislation.
+    Thank you for the opportunity to offer testimony on this critical 
+issue.
+
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Mr. Rinaldi.
+    Mr. Perrone, you are recognized for 5 minutes.
+    Mr. Perrone. Thank you. Chairman DeFazio, Chairman Larsen, 
+Ranking Member Grave, and members of the subcommittee, thank 
+you for inviting me to testify on behalf of the Professional 
+Aviation Safety Specialists to discuss the impacts of the 
+recent Government shutdown.
+    The impacts of the shutdown resonated throughout the 
+industry as aviation safety inspectors and many others sat idly 
+on the sidelines for weeks. Frustration grew, morale dropped, 
+while modernization was brought to a standstill. In addition, 
+the FAA's ability to recruit and retain highly skilled workers 
+may have been severely damaged.
+    PASS represents approximately 11,000 FAA employees 
+nationwide, including Puerto Rico, Guam, and American Samoa. 
+They install, maintain, support, and certify complex air 
+traffic control equipment. They inspect and oversee the 
+commercial and general aviation industries. They develop flight 
+procedures and perform quality analysis of aviation systems 
+using air traffic control. They aid in the building and 
+restoring of air traffic control facilities as well.
+    These employees are the voice of aviation safety. They 
+provide a unique insight into the system in the industry they 
+oversee. Our members are tasked with ensuring that the U.S. 
+aviation system remains the safest in the world 24 hours a day, 
+7 days a week. Yet for 35 days, many of them were not 
+performing their duties.
+    Those who were on the job were working under stressful 
+conditions without pay, while some worked over 10-hour shifts. 
+Dedicated Federal employees, many of them lifelong public 
+servants and military veterans, became collateral damage in a 
+dispute unrelated to aviation safety.
+    Employees within the FAA's Office of Aviation Safety 
+represent the backbone of the system. They develop regulatory 
+standards and ensure your aircraft and those responsible for 
+keeping it in the sky are up to the task and in full regulatory 
+compliance.
+    But when the shutdown began, thousands of aviation safety 
+inspectors were furloughed and told not to report to work. They 
+wanted to, but they couldn't. For 35 days the FAA's safety 
+oversight was severely curtailed. With each passing day, a 
+layer of safety was stripped away as the system became more 
+exposed to risk. For example, the FAA was not overseeing 
+foreign repair stations for 35 days, and the world knew it. 
+This is not an acceptable standard.
+    The aviation industry depends on vital certification work 
+that PASS-represented employees perform. But during the 
+shutdown, important certification activities were on hold. The 
+FAA and the aviation industry will likely feel the effects of 
+this shutdown for years to come.
+    Thousands of other FAA employees, primarily in the Air 
+Traffic Organization, or ATO, remained on the job without pay. 
+This includes airway transportation system specialists as well 
+as other safety professionals. Modernization of the system was 
+brought to a halt. Implementation of NextGen programs, 
+procedures, and equipment were not being deployed, and training 
+was halted. This will inevitably lead to delays in the 
+implementation of new technologies and procedures. Again, the 
+long-term impacts of the shutdown will resonate throughout the 
+industry.
+    As stated before, the agency's ability to attract and 
+retain highly skilled employees after the shutdown may have 
+been damaged. Employees trained and certified by the Government 
+will look to the private sector for job security. Inspectors 
+are fleeing to the private sector, and years of experience will 
+be lost. The call to public service may be lost as well.
+    The human impact must be considered. The timing of the 
+shutdown before and after the holidays could not have been 
+worse. FAA employees needed to be focused on critical duties, 
+not on whether they can pay their bills or if they need a 
+second job to put food on the table.
+    During the shutdown, I heard from one of my members in 
+Gonzales, Louisiana, who is in the administrative side of the 
+house, and was furloughed during the shutdown. She is a single 
+mother of three and putting two children through college. She 
+is also a veteran, who dutifully served her country. Yet for 35 
+days, her main concern was the shutdown and when she would be 
+able to pay her bills. She told me of the psychological effects 
+and the stress it put on her and her family. She deserves 
+better than this. All Federal employees deserve better than 
+this.
+    In closing, PASS emphasizes that every day the Government 
+is shut down, our country is gambling with aviation safety. We 
+cannot subject the flying public to unnecessary risk due to 
+political disagreements. Aviation safety is like a team sport: 
+Without support staff, facilities would not operate at an 
+optimum level. Without technicians, the air traffic controllers 
+would not be able to perform their job. And without inspectors, 
+the aviation system becomes less safe and efficient. The full 
+team needs to be on the job, free of unnecessary burdens 
+unrelated to the mission.
+    Thank you very much for the opportunity to testify on this 
+important issue, and I look forward to answering any questions.
+    [The prepared statement of Mr. Perrone follows:]
+
+                                
+Prepared Statement of Michael Perrone, President, Professional Aviation 
+                      Safety Specialists, AFL-CIO
+    Chairman Larsen, Ranking Member Graves, and members of the 
+subcommittee, thank you for inviting me to testify on behalf of the 
+Professional Aviation Safety Specialists, AFL-CIO (PASS) to discuss the 
+impacts of the most recent Government shutdown and the risk Government 
+shutdowns pose to the safety of the aviation system. The impacts of the 
+shutdown resonated throughout the industry and across the country as 
+aviation safety inspectors sat idly on the sidelines for weeks, morale 
+suffered and frustration grew, and modernization was brought to a 
+standstill.
+    PASS represents approximately 11,000 Federal Aviation 
+Administration (FAA) and Department of Defense employees throughout the 
+United States. PASS-represented employees in the FAA install, maintain, 
+support and certify air traffic control and national defense equipment, 
+inspect and oversee the commercial and general aviation industries, 
+develop flight procedures, and perform quality analyses of complex 
+aviation systems used in air traffic control and national defense in 
+the United States and abroad. PASS members work behind the scenes to 
+ensure the safety and efficiency of the aviation system that transports 
+over 800 million passengers to their destination each year. The 
+diversity of the PASS-represented workforce provides insight into the 
+safety of the system they maintain and the industry they oversee. PASS 
+members are tasked with ensuring that the U.S. aviation system remains 
+the safest in the world 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
+    Yet, for 35 days, many of these employees were furloughed and not 
+performing their duties while others were working under stressful 
+conditions. None of them were getting paid. Thousands of FAA employees 
+went for weeks without a paycheck and worked with the uncertainty of 
+not knowing when that paycheck would come. These FAA employees--from 
+aviation safety inspectors to technicians to administrative staff--are 
+the true victims despite the fact that funding of the aviation system 
+was not at stake. To put it simply, dedicated Federal employees, many 
+of them lifelong public servants and military veterans, were treated as 
+collateral damage. As a result, a critical layer of safety was removed, 
+and this is unacceptable.
+    The following is a detailed discussion of the critical work PASS 
+members do and the far-reaching impacts a Government shutdown has on 
+their ability to fulfill their responsibilities. I am confident that 
+you will agree that these committed, dedicated aviation professionals 
+deserve to be treated with respect and dignity and recognized for the 
+important work they perform every day: ensuring the continued safety of 
+the U.S. aviation system.
+                       office of aviation safety
+    Within the FAA's Office of Aviation Safety (AVS), PASS represents 
+employees in the Flight Standards Service and Manufacturing Inspection 
+District Offices (MIDOs) within Aircraft Certification. Our Flight 
+Standards bargaining unit is comprised of several thousand aviation 
+safety inspectors who perform a range of duties in the field to ensure 
+safety standards are being followed. There are also inspectors and 
+other highly trained staff that develop regulatory standards and 
+policy. Within the Flight Standards Office of Foundational Business are 
+examiners in the FAA's Civil Aviation Registry as well as analysts to 
+oversee budgeting, staffing, training and other support functions. 
+Collectively, these employees represent the safety net of the aviation 
+system; in other words, these employees ensure your aircraft and those 
+responsible for keeping it in the air are up to the task and in full 
+regulatory compliance.
+    At the onset of the shutdown, Flight Standards and MIDO employees 
+were furloughed and told not to report to work. Essentially, an entire 
+layer of safety was stripped away as the system became exposed to more 
+risk with each passing day. According to FAA policy and directives, 
+this meant that, among other things, the following tasks were not being 
+performed or being performed at a reduced level:
+      Approval of exemptions for unmanned aerial systems 
+operations
+      Issuance of airmen certificates
+      Development of Next Generation Air Transportation System 
+(NextGen) safety standards, as well as development, testing and 
+evaluation of NextGen technologies
+      Aviation rulemaking
+      Evaluations, audits and inspections
+      Full range of air traffic safety oversight \1\
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+    \1\ Department of Transportation, Office of the Assistant Secretary 
+for Budget and Programs, and CFO, ``Operations During a Lapse in Annual 
+Appropriations Plans by Operating Administration,'' December 2018 
+(revised as of January 11, 2019).
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+Reduction in Safety Oversight
+    Aviation safety inspectors are responsible for developing, 
+administering and enforcing regulations and standards concerning civil 
+aviation safety. According to the FAA, these employees set the 
+``standards for certification and oversight of airmen, air operators, 
+air agencies, and designees as well as safety of the flight of civil 
+aircraft in air commerce.'' \2\  This is a workforce vital to 
+monitoring the risk of the system--they should be on the job every day 
+performing this work without fear of when the next paycheck will 
+arrive. Without every inspector and safety employee on the job focused 
+solely on their duties, the potential risks to aviation safety 
+increased.
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+    \2\ Department of Transportation, Federal Aviation Administration, 
+Aviation Safety Workforce Plan 2017-2026, p. 25, 2017.
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+    Furthermore, the FAA utilizes a risk-based approach to aviation 
+safety. This is intended to allow the agency to identify, address and 
+mitigate risk in the National Airspace System (NAS) and allocate 
+resources to the areas of greatest concern. While PASS has voiced 
+concerns with this philosophy in the past due to reliability of 
+information and methods for assessing risk, the system was 
+dysfunctional during the shutdown. With aviation safety inspectors off 
+the job, risk was not being identified, addressed or mitigated. 
+Critical safety information received from the airlines was not being 
+entered in the agency's systems. While a catastrophe did not occur 
+during this most recent shutdown, this should not be an acceptable 
+standard for the safest system in the world.
+    Aviation safety inspectors are also responsible for inspecting 
+aircraft and work performed at foreign repair stations. The airline 
+industry has significantly increased its reliance on outsourced 
+maintenance to foreign repair stations, and PASS has consistently 
+expressed concern that oversight of this work is lacking. PASS 
+appreciates that lawmakers have worked with the union to increase the 
+number of inspections of FAA-certificated foreign repair stations. 
+However, during a shutdown, this work is seriously curtailed. Simply 
+put, the FAA was not overseeing foreign repair stations for 35 days and 
+the world knew it.
+Impacts on Certification and Other Inspector Activities
+    Commercial and general aviation depend on the work of PASS-
+represented employees and the vital certification work they perform. 
+During the shutdown, oversight of important certification activities 
+was put on hold. This undoubtedly resulted in a backlog of aircraft and 
+design approvals. Aircraft manufacturers depend on FAA inspectors and 
+engineers being on the job to review and certify new equipment on a 
+timely basis. Yet, no new safety designs could be approved, quality 
+system audits and supplier control audits were delayed, and 
+investigations were postponed. Inspectors had to limit their focus and 
+were not able to certify airplanes, repair stations, airline operators 
+and aviation personnel. A lapse in Government operations seriously 
+affects the FAA's ability to continue to issue its thousands of design 
+approvals and type certificates on an annual basis, along with the 
+ability to conduct safety-required surveillance and oversight necessary 
+in such a technologically complex system.
+    There was also a decrease in FAA airworthiness directives during 
+the shutdown, which are legally enforceable regulations to correct 
+unsafe conditions in aircraft, engines and propellers. According to a 
+Consumer Reports investigation, since January 1, the FAA has published 
+only two directives compared to 19 during the same period last year.\3\ 
+Normally, these directives stem from the daily work of FAA inspectors. 
+However, with the majority of inspectors furloughed, the flying public 
+could only trust the airlines inspecting themselves, an inherently 
+unwise approach to safety.
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+    \3\ McGee, William J. ``In Shutdown's Wake, FAA Inspectors Face 
+Backlog of Safety and Maintenance Issues.'' Consumer Reports, January 
+25, 2019. Accessed February 10, 2019: https://www.consumerreports.org/
+airline-safety/faa-inspectors-safety-maintenance-backlog-government-
+shutdown/.
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+    Although a portion of the principle inspectors were eventually 
+recalled during the shutdown, a majority of the FAA personnel who 
+certify the safety of aircraft remained furloughed. Certification 
+timelines are tightly configured, and the impact of the shutdown will 
+not be limited to the 35 days of lapsed Government funding. The FAA 
+workforce and the industry will likely feel the lasting effects of the 
+shutdown for years to come.
+Impacts to Recruiting and Retaining Employees
+    The shutdown exacerbated the existing challenges related to 
+recruiting and retaining employees as well as heightening the ongoing 
+concerns over the FAA's lack of clarity over staffing. For years, PASS 
+has been working with lawmakers on this committee and the agency to 
+encourage the development of a staffing model for aviation safety 
+inspectors in order to properly determine the number of inspectors 
+needed to protect the system. During a shutdown, staffing needs become 
+even more apparent since the agency is unclear on its reasoning for 
+calling back a certain number of inspectors and the timing of the call 
+backs is also uncertain. For instance, as the shutdown continued, in 
+mid-January, Flight Standards altered its staffing plan and recalled 
+approximately 1,700 principle inspectors. However, this only reflected 
+about one-third of the inspector workforce within Flight Standards. The 
+most recent FAA reauthorization legislation instructs the FAA to work 
+with PASS to develop a more reliable staffing model. However, due to 
+the shutdown and the threat of yet another closure, and as the FAA 
+plays catch up with the backlog of oversight activities halted during 
+the shutdown, it is unclear if and when a staffing model will be 
+developed.
+    The shutdown may very well have long-term impacts within Flight 
+Standards, which is already struggling to attract and retain aviation 
+safety inspectors. The FAA is continuously competing with the airline 
+industry that is oftentimes a more viable financial option for 
+inspectors, particularly when airlines are economically sound. To this 
+end, PASS is engaged in discussions with the FAA to identify ways to 
+maintain these indispensable positions. For example, the FAA recently 
+approached PASS with the idea of hiring certain employees at a higher 
+salary level than typically offered due to hiring challenges. There is 
+no guarantee that this modest increase will be enough to lure qualified 
+employees into Government service. Of certainty, the shutdown does not 
+help and will have done nothing to encourage employees to leave 
+industry or select public service. Additionally, Flight Standards 
+continues to lose journeymen level inspectors at a higher rate than it 
+is able to backfill. This is incredibly disconcerting, especially 
+considering that it can take years to fully train an inspector. 
+Inspector staffing is not just about attracting employees; it is about 
+attracting employees with the right skills, training and expertise to 
+perform the work.
+UAS Oversight
+    Finally, it goes without saying that the aviation industry is 
+rapidly evolving. This could not be more clearly displayed than through 
+the growing Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS or drones) industry. As of 
+July 2017, there were 879,696 registered UAS and over 21,000 UAS remote 
+pilots.\4\ That number has no doubt risen over the past 19 months. 
+According to the FAA, ``Enabling rapid growth in UAS operations while 
+maintaining safety of the NAS for all users has become a significant 
+portion of the AVS mission . . . The success of all these initiatives 
+is embedded in AVS's diverse, highly skilled workforce.'' \5\ In a 2016 
+memo to supervisors acquired by PASS, the former AVS director indicated 
+that aviation safety technicians (ASTs) should handle virtually all UAS 
+functions. However, ASTs were furloughed during the entire shutdown, 
+essentially putting UAS oversight, approval and inspection at a 
+standstill for 35 days. This no doubt will have far-reaching economic 
+impacts on both the agency and the UAS industry.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    \4\ Department of Transportation, Federal Aviation Administration, 
+Aviation Safety Workforce Plan 2017-2026, pp. 46-47, 2017.
+    \5\ Id., p. 6.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    It is indisputable that aviation safety inspectors and other 
+employees in AVS should be on the job every day, secure in the 
+knowledge that they will receive a paycheck, and able to perform their 
+duties to the highest of standards.
+                        air traffic organization
+    PASS also represents employees in the FAA's Air Traffic 
+Organization (ATO) including air transportation systems specialists 
+(ATSS), electronics technicians, engineering technicians (colloquially 
+referred to as the technician workforce) as well as other safety 
+professionals and administrative staff. These employees install, test, 
+troubleshoot, repair and certify radar, communications equipment, 
+navigational aids, airport lighting and backup power systems, as well 
+as maintain other systems, equipment and software associated with the 
+NAS. They are the only people authorized to certify the operation of 
+FAA systems and equipment, a task considered inherently 
+governmental.\6\ In short, and according to the FAA's description of 
+the position, they are responsible for ``everything air traffic 
+controllers and pilots use for safe flight.''
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+    \6\ Manager, General Law Branch, AGC-110, memorandum to Manager, 
+Maintenance Engineering Division, ASM-100, ``Contractor Certification 
+of Navigational Systems in National Airspace System (NAS),'' June 18, 
+1991.
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+    The majority of these employees were not furloughed--they reported 
+to work every day without pay in order to fulfill their responsibility. 
+Through rain, snow and ice, these dedicated professionals were on the 
+job climbing towers and at the airports repairing and maintaining radio 
+towers, RADAR, navigational aids and other equipment to ensure the NAS 
+was functioning. Contrary to some reports, at no point during the 
+shutdown did these employees engage in fix-on-fail maintenance; 
+however, these employees worked under extreme stress to complete their 
+work. Thanks to their dedication, the system was maintained at the 
+highest standards under the conditions. These employees--many of them 
+military veterans--take their commitment to the United States very 
+seriously and only want to perform their jobs and be recognized for 
+their dedication. When they go to work, they should only have to focus 
+on the job of making sure equipment is properly maintained and 
+certified, not whether their families are financially secure.
+Modernization and Restoration
+    Proper staffing at critical airports throughout the country remains 
+a challenge while hiring and training new technicians is not a quick or 
+easy process. Inadequate technician staffing will no doubt result in 
+increased restoration times during an outage and more air traffic 
+delays. It can also make it difficult to ensure 24-hour safety 
+coverage, a potentially dangerous situation that increases the risk of 
+major air traffic issues. Understaffing of the FAA's technical 
+workforce combined with the daily stress of the Government shutdown 
+only undermines safety. The United States must strive to retain the 
+very best men and women to ensure the safety of the world's most 
+complex aviation system.
+    Modernization of this complex aviation system is also directly 
+impacted during a Government shutdown. For 35 days, implementation of 
+Next Generation Air Transportation System (NextGen) Modernization 
+throughout the country was halted while NextGen programs, procedures 
+and equipment were not being deployed. These intricate programs and the 
+dedicated professionals carrying them out, all instrumental to NextGen, 
+are sidelined during a shutdown. This halts modernization midstride, 
+producing impacts that will continue to resonate throughout the system 
+and lead to inevitable delays to the implementation of new technologies 
+and procedures.
+                              human impact
+    The timing of the shutdown--before and after the Christmas 
+holiday--could not have been worse for those not receiving a paycheck. 
+Even though they were not getting paid, many FAA employees still had to 
+report to work and endure the associated costs, such as transportation 
+and child care. PASS surveyed members on the job during the shutdown to 
+determine morale among coworkers. Phrases and words that appeared most 
+often included ``terrible,'' ``stressed,'' ``upset,'' ``frustrated'' 
+and ``fatigued.'' That is no type of work environment for the men and 
+women responsible for ensuring the safety of the flying public.
+    It is also worth noting that a Government shutdown impacts morale 
+among the workforce. Not only are employees being deprived of 
+compensation but forcing some employees to work while others are told 
+to stay at home creates resentment and intensifies the frustration. 
+While there is an attempt to lessen the burden on the public by 
+requiring employees to continue work deemed to be essential, it cannot 
+be lost that this disproportionally burdens employees. It is axiomatic 
+that if the public and aviation industry felt the full brunt of a 
+deprivation of Government services, the pressure to end a Government 
+shutdown would be overwhelming.
+    PASS also represents support staff in both AVS and ATO, often 
+unsung employees who make sure facilities run in a safe and efficient 
+manner. Not only are these employees typically lowest paid, they are 
+also deemed to be ineligible to work during a shutdown. According to 
+FAA guidance, ``Employees whose sole responsibility is performing 
+policy and operational support work would remain on furlough.'' \7\ 
+This is unacceptable. FAA employees--all FAA employees--should be able 
+to focus on the critical duties of the job and not on whether they will 
+be able to pay bills for the month or if they need to pick up a second 
+job. These are real people struggling with real problems--house 
+payments, sick children or parents, health issues, debt--and they 
+should not be pawns in congressional negotiations.
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+    \7\ Department of Transportation, Office of the Assistant Secretary 
+for Budget and Programs, and CFO, ``Operations During a Lapse in Annual 
+Appropriations Plans by Operating Administration,'' December 2018 
+(revised as of January 11, 2019).
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+                            economic impact
+    The impacts of the shutdown were not just felt in the pocketbooks 
+of Federal employees. According to an estimate from the nonpartisan 
+Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the Government shutdown cost the 
+economy $11 billion. The CBO also projects a slowdown in economic 
+growth as the damage of the shutdown is becoming clearer by the day. 
+When the Government shutdown in 2013 for over 2 weeks, it took the FAA 
+years to recover fully. How long it takes to recover from this 
+shutdown, the longest in history, remains uncertain, especially with 
+the threat of another Government shutdown looming on the horizon. If 
+another shutdown should occur, it will only multiply the effects and 
+impacts on the country.
+                                closing
+    In closing, PASS emphasizes that every day the Government is shut 
+down and FAA employees are impacted, the aviation system is gambling 
+with aviation safety.
+    The U.S. aviation system is a well organized, cohesive unit, with 
+all parts working together. As with any functioning system, removing 
+one section or placing unwarranted stress on a particular area will 
+result in weaknesses with the potential to derail the entire system. 
+Without support staff in place, facilities would not operate at an 
+optimum level; without technicians in place, controllers would not be 
+able to perform their job; and without inspectors in place, the 
+aviation system could potentially be less safe and would certainly be 
+less efficient. The full team needs to be on the job, free of 
+unnecessary burdens unrelated to the mission.
+    Aviation plays a critical role in today's economy and delivers 
+invaluable services to the flying public and the military. The FAA is 
+simply not operating at full potential during a shutdown. The flying 
+public should not be subjected to unnecessary risk due to political 
+disagreements. The situation must not be repeated. While appropriators 
+have assured that the FAA receives full funding in recent years, 
+congressional disagreements have resulted in uncertainty. PASS calls on 
+those in power to reach a funding deal that will prevent another 
+government shutdown and fully fund the Department of Transportation and 
+the FAA.
+
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Mr. Perrone.
+    I now recognize Mr. Calio for 5 minutes.
+    Mr. Calio. Thank you to Chairman Larsen, Ranking Member 
+Graves, Chairman DeFazio, and Ranking Member Graves, for the 
+opportunity to testify today. On behalf of Airlines for America 
+and its members, the country's leading passenger and cargo 
+carriers, we appreciate the committee's leadership and focus on 
+this timely issue of shutdown impacts and potential solutions.
+    We also want to sincerely thank those Federal employees who 
+went to work every day during the partial shutdown even though 
+they were not being compensated. This includes our partners at 
+the FAA, TSA, and CBP. Despite significant and prolonged 
+hardship, they kept the U.S. aviation system operating and they 
+ensured the safety and security of the traveling and shipping 
+public.
+    We all are extremely grateful, and our association and 
+carriers were pleased to be able to make significant 
+contributions to the nonprofit groups that were assisting 
+Federal employees as they suffered through this hardship. 
+Chairman Larsen, as you noted, and Ranking Member Graves, as 
+you noted, this is at least the fourth shutdown that these 
+workers have suffered since 2011, through two different 
+administrations.
+    I know we are here to memorialize the impacts of the 
+shutdown, and we should. But our hope is that we come out of 
+this united in an effort to make sure that this never happens 
+again. That should be our goal for today and going forward.
+    So Chairman DeFazio and Chairman Larsen, we want to thank 
+you specifically for your leadership in putting forward a 
+solution that would keep the FAA fully funded and operational 
+with paid employees, thereby alleviating the serious impacts 
+repeatedly experienced by the entire aviation industry.
+    H.R. 1108, and Chairman DeFazio, your past efforts to 
+redirect diverted TSA revenues, are greatly appreciated. And 
+frankly, there is a silver lining here. Everyone at this table 
+supports the legislation, and the entire industry is galvanized 
+and united as never before.
+    I would be remiss not to mention and thank Secretary Chao 
+at the Department of Transportation and Acting Administrator 
+Elwell for all they did to guarantee that the FAA continued to 
+operate safely--and I stress safely--and as efficiently as 
+possible for the traveling and shipping public.
+    For air travel, the impact of the shutdown was particularly 
+acute. While my written testimony contains a broader list of 
+impacts that the shutdown had on our industry, and both Mr. 
+Rinaldi and Mr. Perrone have laid forth many of those impacts, 
+I want to mention just a few.
+    Alaska Airlines had a delay in the start of commercial 
+service from Paine Field in Washington, forcing already booked 
+travelers to go back through Seattle. Southwest Airlines had 
+new service to Hawaii; it has been delayed. That means less 
+competition and fewer options until the airline can gain FAA 
+approval, which is now delayed.
+    Federal inspectors were not being paid, reducing the amount 
+of oversight of the industry. Hiring new pilots into the 
+workforce and promoting existing pilots was also frozen since 
+the FAA was not able to process the required checks nor issue 
+new pilot certificates. This is particularly harmful to the 
+regional airlines, who are having workforce issues.
+    I endorse everything Mr. Rinaldi said. I cannot say it any 
+better about the impact on the air traffic controllers.
+    Just a couple more overt impacts that are not that visible 
+to the public. New planes were not able to be put into service. 
+Collaborative planning for the summer season, which takes place 
+every year and is critically important to how we handle 
+convective issues in the summer, just like snow in the winter, 
+has not taken place and is behind schedule. We will feel the 
+impact of that come this summer. We won't realize it has 
+happened because of the shutdown.
+    So with that, I am going to move on and just say, in 
+closing, we have talked about NextGen. The start and stop on 
+NextGen is considerable. Every time the Government shuts down, 
+we have to turn off these projects. It has a real impact, and 
+it is cumulative over the years, and you cannot make up. You 
+cannot just flick the switch back on. This most recent 
+shutdown? It is over one-twelfth of the entire year.
+    So again, Mr. Chairman, members of this committee, we 
+cannot allow this to happen again. We have got a $6 billion 
+trust fund. The money gets paid into that trust fund whether 
+the Government is operating or not. We ought to move forward 
+and find a solution to this. Your legislation is a start. A4A 
+will support any solution that works so that we do not have to 
+worry about another shutdown.
+    Thank you for your time.
+    [The prepared statement of Mr. Calio follows:]
+
+                                
+Prepared Statement of Nicholas E. Calio, President and Chief Executive 
+                  Officer, Airlines for America (A4A)
+    Airlines for America appreciates the opportunity to testify today 
+on the impacts of the most recent partial Federal shutdown. On behalf 
+of our member companies, I first would like to acknowledge and 
+sincerely thank the dedicated employees at the Department of 
+Transportation (DOT), the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the 
+Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Transportation Security 
+Administration (TSA) and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). 
+Despite significant and prolonged hardship, they kept our aviation 
+system operating safely and minimized disruption. We are extremely 
+thankful for their efforts and desperately hopeful that neither their 
+professionalism nor their livelihoods will be unnecessarily put to the 
+test again just 2 short days from now.
+    Chairman DeFazio and subcommittee Chairman Larsen, I also would 
+like to specifically thank you for your leadership in trying to find 
+solutions that would alleviate many of the impacts felt by the aviation 
+community and the traveling and shipping public. Your most recent 
+legislation (H.R. 1108) and your past efforts to redirect diverted TSA 
+revenues are greatly appreciated. Moving ahead, we look forward to 
+working with you to find collaborative and practical solutions that 
+effectively address shutdown related impacts.
+    Additionally, I would like to recognize Secretary Elaine L. Chao of 
+the DOT and Acting Administrator Dan Elwell of the FAA for their 
+leadership. Their decision to call back safety professionals who would 
+have otherwise remained furloughed, was critical to the operational 
+needs of the U.S. aviation industry and, more importantly, the needs of 
+the traveling and shipping public who sustain it.
+                    shutdown background and impacts
+    This committee knows that shutdowns are not new, and they are not a 
+rare phenomenon. In just the past decade, the FAA has been subjected to 
+several partial or Governmentwide budget reductions and shutdowns.
+      In July 2011, the lapse in FAA's authorization caused the 
+FAA to stop work on numerous projects including NextGen modernization 
+projects.
+      In April 2013, the Governmentwide sequester caused the 
+FAA to furlough air traffic controllers resulting in massive delays 
+throughout the ATC system and the cancellation of hundreds of flights, 
+impacting hundreds of thousands of passengers.
+      In October 2013, the Government shutdown resulted in 
+additional FAA employee furloughs.
+    The airline industry relies upon the FAA to provide critical safety 
+and operational oversight through approvals of appropriate operational 
+and maintenance specifications. The recent shutdown impacted A4A member 
+airlines in several operational areas from complying with new safety 
+requirements, bringing new aircraft into operation, approvals for new 
+service, flight crewmember certification and checks, training, and the 
+longer term planning for operations and Air Traffic Management 
+modernization. While not exhaustive, below is a compilation of some of 
+the impacts of the most recent shutdown. These examples primarily focus 
+on the short-term immediate impact of the shutdown, but the 
+ramifications of the shutdown, compounded by previous shutdowns, will 
+have dramatic and unforeseen repercussions in the long term.
+      New Operations--The shutdown resulted in the delay of new 
+authorizations necessary for expanded service. As an example, the lack 
+of FAA approvals has adversely impacted the ability of one carrier to 
+initiate a new extended overwater (ETOPS) route.
+      Aircraft Deliveries/Adding New Aircraft to Operations 
+Specifications (OpSpecs)--The inability to obtain FAA approval for 
+bringing new aircraft on-line delayed member airlines' ability to serve 
+customers with new aircraft offerings, and the associated improvements 
+in operational efficiencies, reduced environmental impacts and 
+introduction of advanced technology.
+      Severe Weather Planning/Operational Collaboration--Based 
+on the commitment by the FAA staff, the shutdown did not, for the most 
+part, adversely affect the Agency and aviation community daily efforts 
+to coordinate the effective allocation of National Airspace System 
+resources. However, operational reviews of what could be done 
+differently did not occur.
+        Looking ahead, we are concerned that the planning 
+process essential for responses to the summer season did not begin. 
+This delays the foundational planning needed to address convective 
+weather that impairs spring/summer operations based on analysis of 
+strategies from last year. It also delays much needed reports and 
+planning associated with the status of staffing, evaluating impacts and 
+timing of new routes as well as new training requirements. Rollout to 
+the stakeholders and the training process are significantly delayed.
+        The longer term effects of the shutdown may compound 
+significant concerns about staffing and experience levels in key 
+facilities, especially the Northeast Corridor. Our member carriers are 
+warning that this could be a really bad summer for delays.
+      Training Programs Enhancing Safety--Airlines were unable 
+to receive FAA approvals for revisions to training programs, including 
+complying with new FAA requirements such as Pilot Extended Envelope 
+Training. This training is designed to improve the ability of pilots to 
+address aircraft stall recognition and recovery.
+      Airworthiness Directives (ADs)--Members of A4A were 
+unable to complete certain ADs due to the inability to obtain FAA 
+approvals for associated revisions to maintenance programs.
+      Voluntary Safety Reporting--The disposition of voluntary 
+safety reports under the Airline Safety Action Program (ASAP) was 
+curtailed in cases where FAA participation was prohibited. ASAP 
+enhances aviation safety through the prevention of accidents and 
+incidents by encouraging voluntary reporting of safety issues and 
+events that come to the attention of airline employees. ASAP is based 
+on a safety partnership that includes the FAA and the airline 
+certificate holder as well as the employee's labor organization. 
+Without the participation of the FAA's representative, this program was 
+limited in its ability to fully function and address safety concerns 
+within the NAS.
+      Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) 
+Equipage--The FAA was unable to approve Supplemental Type Certificates 
+necessary to complete the updating of aircraft to meet the pending 
+requirement for ADS-B equipage. The industry is on a robust initiative 
+to install equipage to meet the FAA January 2020 mandate. Likewise, 
+airlines were unable to gain FAA approval for associated OpSpecs.
+      NextGen--Air Traffic Control modernization efforts--
+Because this is both a planning and implementation initiative, the 
+shutdown has impacted near-term improvements and longer term 
+implementations being supported by the industry essentially halting the 
+development and operational testing of technologies for NextGen.
+        The shutdown is jeopardizing the improvements in the 
+aviation system--capacity increases, predictability for passengers, 
+reduction in flight times, decreases in emissions from the FAA 
+investments of $20B and the industry's comparable investments. It is 
+directly impacting new technologies for traditional aviation and new 
+users like commercial space and drones, U.S. global aviation 
+leadership, and the path for leveraging new satellite systems that will 
+improve safety.
+        The improvements in the Northeast Corridor, central to 
+recent efforts by the NextGen Advisory Committee, are in jeopardy as a 
+result of the shutdown. We face the potential of the FAA not being able 
+to deliver on commitments of more effective and efficient metering of 
+aircraft at Newark and LaGuardia Airports. There is doubt about the 
+promised anticipated improvements in procedures along with pending 
+improvement to high-altitude routes in question because of delays in 
+EnRoute DataComm that are driven by operational band width of FAA 
+facilities.
+                       conclusions and solutions
+    We are here as an industry and stakeholder community representing 
+more than 7 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product, $1.5 trillion 
+of economic impact, and more than 11.5 million jobs. We are here today 
+to help develop, discuss and expeditiously implement or enact practical 
+and agreeable solutions that will alleviate future shutdown scenarios.
+    Having many years of experience in Washington, I have witnessed a 
+number of shutdowns in various forms and circumstances. They all have 
+some common threads. They quickly expose the critical role our 
+Government professionals play in many aspects of our lives that we 
+simply take for granted as standard operating procedure. They are 
+unnecessary. And they are avoidable. This is especially relevant and 
+applicable when it comes to our Federal aviation assets and workforces, 
+which are all supported in one form or another by directs taxes or fees 
+collected from the industries they regulate or oversee.
+    We are in no manner downplaying the critical role of other 
+Government agencies or employees impacted by the shutdown; what we do 
+believe is that unique nature and funding structure of our aviation 
+system should allow for efficient and effective budgetary contingency 
+plans that would allow the FAA, TSA, and CBP to temporarily operate 
+normally during a shutdown caused by lack of funding.
+    The most recent shutdown was quickly approaching an unsustainable 
+and detrimental level, as was evidenced by the flight delays on the 
+east coast and reports that a growing number of TSA officers resigned 
+because of financial hardships due to the shutdown and a lack of pay on 
+the day that shutdown ended.
+    As the pressures and strains on the system documented above are 
+exacerbated by yet another oncoming shutdown this weekend, I predict we 
+will quickly reach an unsustainable point in our system. We will, if we 
+have not already, cause decades of both human and economic consequences 
+that will hamper not only the potential of our system but also the 
+capacity to operate in it--all to the detriment of the traveling and 
+shipping public.
+    We implore all involved, please heed not only our warnings but the 
+entire stakeholder community's warnings. This vicious budgetary cycle 
+of stops and starts with little to no stability or predictably has 
+simply got to stop. The traveling and shipping public and the dedicated 
+Federal employees who protect and maintain our Nation's aviation system 
+deserve continuity.
+
+    We appreciate the opportunity to testify and look forward 
+to any questions. Thank you.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Mr. Calio.
+    I now recognize for 5 minutes Sara Nelson.
+    Ms. Nelson?
+    Ms. Nelson. Thank you, Chairman Larsen, Chairman DeFazio, 
+Ranking Member Graves, and Ranking Member Graves, for the 
+opportunity to testify on the impact of the longest Government 
+shutdown in our history. My name is Sara Nelson, international 
+president of the Association of Flight Attendants, representing 
+nearly 50,000 of aviation's first responders at 20 airlines.
+    Just last week I attended my annual safety and security 
+training required for my qualifications as a certified flight 
+attendant. And rule number one when performing safety-sensitive 
+work is to remove all distractions and focus. Flight attendants 
+artfully complete safety tasks, shifting on a moment's notice 
+from the emotional intelligence our job requires to the total 
+focus it takes to perform safety and security duties.
+    And we should talk about addressing the inadequate FAA 
+minimum staffing regulations currently in place once we know 
+our industry is on safe ground. Today, though, we must focus on 
+the distractions created by the shutdown and the impact it had 
+on running a safe and secure system.
+    For decades, those who want to privatize every Government 
+program have vilified Government workers as nameless, faceless 
+bureaucrats. But the truth is these are the people who keep us 
+safe. They are the people who live and work in our communities. 
+If they cannot do their job, flight attendants cannot do our 
+job. And no one gets out of this unscathed because aviation is 
+what connects and moves our entire economy. This is about our 
+safety, our security, and our jobs.
+    Shutdowns are never good. Our current experience is 
+unprecedented. We can never allow it to happen again. Picture 
+this: Airline pilots typically maintain what they call a 
+``sterile cockpit'' during takeoff and landing, when no 
+communication is permitted between the cabin and the flight 
+deck. This is to allow pilots to focus on the most difficult 
+and task-intensive parts of the flight.
+    But during the shutdown, some pilots briefed flight 
+attendants that there would be no sterile cockpit on their 
+flight. They were so concerned that the shutdown had 
+compromised security screening that they felt they needed to 
+alter safety procedures so they could be informed immediately 
+if there was a security issue in the cabin.
+    Air travel is a fully integrated operation that relies on 
+Government and private industry working together. When any link 
+in this chain breaks down, the whole system suffers. We still 
+feel the shock and horror of losing our flying partners because 
+of gaps in security. We never shake that grief, nor the loss we 
+have experienced for years with furloughs and bankruptcies.
+    Safety and security is nonnegotiable. It is critical that 
+Washington stop the threat of day 36 and take steps to ensure 
+this never happens again. We hope that does happen this week.
+    AFA fully supports the proposed Aviation Funding Stability 
+Act of 2019. This legislation makes sense because there is 
+absolutely no argument to close the Government when funding 
+exists, specifically related to the functions of the FAA. And 
+we urge immediate action on this along with all of our 
+colleagues.
+    Still, we have seen that aviation relies on many areas of 
+Government to keep us safe. We call on lawmakers to ensure 
+Government workers are never locked out again. We also worked 
+with this committee to lock in the FAA Reauthorization Act of 
+2018, including critical issues that matter for safety of 
+flight attendants, pilots, and our passengers.
+    The shutdown stopped implementation of this bill. Flight 
+attendant fatigue exists today. The bill includes improved 
+rest, along with implementation of a fatigue risk management 
+plan, to close this safety loophole.
+    Evacuation standards for certification of aircraft do not 
+take into consideration the current cabin environment for safe 
+evacuations. Secondary cockpit barriers are required to be 
+installed on all new aircraft to help thwart an attempt to 
+breach the flight deck and end the absurd policy of expecting 
+flight attendants to serve as that physical barrier.
+    The bill addresses these issues, too, along with sexual 
+assault prevention, reporting, and response, among hundreds of 
+other safety initiatives. Again, none of this has been 
+implemented, and the shutdown made it impossible to move 
+forward with accountability.
+    Flight attendants started to experience the economic impact 
+of the shutdown, as did our communities. For example, delaying 
+the Paine Field opening to commercial traffic caused flight 
+attendants to lose flying, lose pay, and the same is true for 
+pilots and other workers.
+    In addition, the economic impact to Everett includes 
+cancellation of over 600 crew room overnights in hotels. This 
+also means other travelers are not staying in those hotels, 
+eating at nearby restaurants, using transportation, or 
+otherwise spending in the community. Many airlines' flights 
+were canceled because the FAA could not sign off on delivery of 
+aircraft, more work lost.
+    This was the tip of the iceberg, though. Eleven million 
+Americans who do work related to our industry were in jeopardy. 
+This hampered our ability to compete with the world, and it 
+created damage that may last for years.
+    There is bipartisan support to keep the Government open 
+with stable, long-term funding. Americans overwhelmingly 
+support this. If Washington will not put an end to this crisis, 
+we will take action to save lives and protect U.S. aviation.
+    I would be happy to answer any questions. Thank you again.
+    [The prepared statement of Ms. Nelson follows:]
+
+                                
+Prepared Statement of Sara Nelson, International President, Association 
+                   of Flight Attendants--CWA, AFL-CIO
+    Thank you Chairman DeFazio, Chairman Larsen, Ranking Member Sam 
+Graves, and Ranking Member Garret Graves for the opportunity to testify 
+on the impact of the longest Government shutdown in our history. My 
+name is Sara Nelson, international president of the Association of 
+Flight Attendants--CWA, AFL-CIO (AFA), representing nearly 50,000 of 
+aviation's first responders at 20 airlines.
+    Last week I attended my annual safety and security training 
+required for my qualifications as a certified Flight Attendant. Rule 
+No. 1 when performing safety-sensitive work: remove all distractions 
+and focus. Shutdowns are never good. Our current experience is 
+unprecedented. Almost 2 million workers were locked out or forced to 
+work without pay for more than a month. Others have been going to work 
+when our workspace is increasingly unsafe. The entire airline industry 
+is in jeopardy. No one will get out of this unscathed because aviation 
+is what connects and moves our entire economy. Lawmakers and people in 
+Government know that. Yet somehow, we are here discussing the 35-day 
+nightmare for Federal workers and those of us who count on them to keep 
+us safe.
+    Picture this. Airline pilots typically maintain what they call a 
+``sterile cockpit'' during takeoff and landing, when no communication 
+is permitted between the cabin and flightdeck. This is to allow pilots 
+to focus on the most difficult, and task-intensive, parts of the 
+flight. But during the recent Government shutdown--the longest in our 
+Nation's history--some pilots briefed flight attendants that there 
+would be no sterile cockpit on their flight. They were so concerned 
+that the shutdown had compromised security screening, that they felt 
+the need to alter safety procedures so that they could be informed 
+immediately if there was a security issue in the cabin.
+    This is just one of the many chilling stories I heard in recent 
+weeks from flight attendants and the pilots we fly with. The shutdown 
+put our lives and livelihoods in danger, risked the safety of everyone 
+who flies, and threatened our entire economy.
+    Many Americans breathed a sigh of relief when the shutdown ended, 
+assuming that the crisis had passed. But things will only get worse if 
+the shutdown continues into day 36 on February 16.
+    Flight attendants are not Federal workers, and people have asked 
+why we are so outspoken on this shutdown. It's simple: aviation doesn't 
+work without Federal workers. Air travel is a fully integrated 
+operation that relies on Government and private industry working 
+together. When any link in this chain breaks down, the whole system 
+suffers. We still feel the shock and horror of losing our flying 
+partners because of gaps in security. We never shake that grief, nor 
+the pain we experienced with furloughs and bankruptcies that erased 
+retirement security, required us to work harder for less, and spurred 
+many stories of personal loss.
+    We need air traffic controllers to be fully rested and able to 
+focus on their jobs, not worried about losing their homes. We need 
+transportation security officers tuned in to their morning briefing, 
+not wondering if the food pantry will still be stocked when he gets off 
+his shift. We need the intelligence community on the job to identify 
+threats and stop them, not worrying about the means to care for their 
+own kids. We need the Coast Guard flying out over our waters with full 
+view of what's ahead, not just over our borders to serve as the last 
+line of defense.
+    Safety and security is nonnegotiable. It is critical that 
+Washington stop the threat of a day 36 and take steps to ensure this 
+never happens again. AFA fully supports the proposed Aviation Funding 
+Stability Act of 2019 which would allow the FAA to keep all of its 
+programs running and all of its employees working by drawing from the 
+Airports and Airways Trust Fund during any lapse in typical Government 
+appropriations. This legislation makes sense because there's absolutely 
+no argument to close Government when funding exists specifically 
+related to the functions of the FAA. Still, we've all seen that 
+aviation relies on many areas of Government to keeping flying safe: 
+DHS, DOT, CBP, State, Justice, FEMA, FDA, EPA. We call on all lawmakers 
+to ensure Government workers are never locked out again.
+    If the shutdown continues, we won't know when or where problems may 
+happen. That's why my union, along with other aviation unions, warned 
+that the risk to aviation posed by the shutdown could not even be 
+measured. Because of the disruption of key Federal systems that support 
+the operation of the airline industry, air travel could be disrupted at 
+any time, anywhere--and that's not even counting the damage if there's 
+a serious incident.
+    Flight attendants are aviation's first responders and the last line 
+of defense for aviation safety and security. We take our responsibility 
+seriously. That's why, through our unions, we've fought to ban smoking 
+on planes, to keep knives out of the cabin, and so much more. Now, we 
+are once again standing up for safety and security.
+    We also worked with this committee to achieve long-term 
+authorization for aviation to improve further upon, outside of this 
+current environment, the safest transportation system in the world. The 
+FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018 included critical issues that matter 
+for the safety of flight attendants, pilot, and passengers. Flight 
+attendant fatigue exists today. The bill includes improves rest along 
+with implementation of a Fatigue Risk Management Plan to close this 
+safety loophole. Evacuation standards for certification of aircraft do 
+not take into consideration the current cabin environment for safe 
+evacuation. Secondary cockpit barriers are required to be installed on 
+all new aircraft to help thwart an attempt to breach the flight deck 
+and end the absurd policy of expecting flight attendants to serve as 
+that physical barrier. The bill addresses these issues too, along with 
+sexual assault prevention, reporting and response--among hundreds of 
+other safety initiatives. None of these things have been implemented 
+though and the shutdown made it impossible to move forward with 
+accountability.
+    Flight attendants started to experience the economic impact of the 
+shutdown, as did our communities. Airlines had scheduled flight to a 
+new commercial destination, Paine Field (PAE), as of February 4, 2019. 
+Horizon flight attendants had schedules reflecting this flying in 
+February, but this work is now canceled. Flight Attendants who had PAE 
+flying were given the options to sit reserve or take time off without 
+pay. Monthly guarantees were reduced. The company stated in a memo to 
+AFA that there would be a negative financial impact on affected Flight 
+Attendants when there isn't any open time to replace the removed 
+flying. While AFA is disputing the lack of pay protection, the 
+immediate impact is felt by these flight attendants.
+    In addition to the lost wages and per diem to the Horizon Flight 
+Attendants, the economic impact to Everett includes cancellation of 
+over 600 crew overnight hotel rooms. The total lost revenue to the 
+Everett community is unknown as other travelers also aren't staying in 
+these hotels, eating at nearby restaurants, using transportation, or 
+otherwise spending in the community.
+    At other airlines halted approval aircraft caused canceled flights 
+and less work for flight attendants. This was the tip of the iceberg. 
+If air traffic controllers who are eligible to retire decide that is 
+the only option they have to provide for their families, a significant 
+portion of airline capacity will be grounded. This will result in 
+massive layoffs for flight attendants and directly harm the 11 million 
+Americans who do work related to our industry. It will hamper our 
+ability to compete with the world and it may create damage that lasts 
+years. The consequences for all of our communities is enormous.
+                                closing
+    There are serious issues we need to debate as a country, but our 
+democracy and economy only work when the basic functions of our 
+Government are in place. It is immoral to put American lives in danger 
+with reckless political games. We cannot allow our airline industry to 
+be decimated by continue the shutdown for day 36 and beyond.
+    There is bipartisan support to keep the Government open with 
+stable, long-term funding. Americans overwhelmingly support this 
+solution.
+    As I close, I must leave you with this: if Congress ignores the 
+will of the American people and takes us to day 36 of the shutdown, 
+flight attendants will not risk the lives of our colleagues and our 
+passengers.
+    We have a duty to protect ourselves and the American people from 
+danger. Working people have power when we come together. If Congress 
+chooses the chaos of a continued lockout, we will use that power. If 
+Congress will not put an end to this crisis, we will take action to 
+save lives and protect U.S. aviation.
+    I would be happy to answer any questions.
+
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Ms. Nelson.
+    I now turn to Mr. Peter Bunce, and recognize you for 5 
+minutes.
+    Mr. Bunce. Chairman Larsen, Ranking Member Graves, Chairman 
+DeFazio, and Ranking Member Graves, thanks for having me here 
+today. For those Members that are new to the subcommittee, GAMA 
+represents those that make the actual aircraft itself--the 
+engines, the avionics, large maintenance, repair, overhaul 
+facilities, and training providers. And we are a global 
+association.
+    If you look at what we have done over the last 10 years, 
+working very hand-in-hand with our colleagues, Mr. Perrone's 
+organization, along with this committee, we have implemented 
+certification reform that, without, would have absolutely 
+devastated our industry during this shutdown.
+    So we are very thankful for the cooperative way we have 
+worked with this. And I want to just echo what my colleagues 
+here have said at the table. The legislation that has been put 
+forward with the Aviation Funding Stability Act is something 
+that has united the industry that I have not seen in the time 
+that I have been at the association. And the only reason that 
+we only had forty logos on the letter that you saw yesterday 
+was just we did not have time--we wanted to get it out before 
+this hearing, because there would have been many more. So you 
+have universal support for this legislation going forward.
+    Now, because we had the certification reform, we were able 
+to still function during the shutdown. But that does not mean 
+that it did not have significant impact to the manufacturers 
+and maintenance providers. And I want to give you just two 
+quick examples, and I will use one from Louisiana.
+    So you have a rotorcraft company that provides emergency 
+medical support throughout the Nation. And in fact, here in 
+Washington, DC, those that we hear in the Life Flight 
+helicopters were provided by this company. They do 
+supplemental-type certificate modifications to these aircraft 
+so that they can go ahead and do it.
+    They were stalled. They were not able to get these aircraft 
+to market. You have to make bets, as a manufacturer or a 
+supplier, that you are going to be able to deliver product to 
+your customer on time; if you do not, you default on those 
+contracts. So that has significant impact, and it ripples 
+through the system.
+    Another example in Washington State: In the central part or 
+western part of the State, we have a manufacturer making small 
+aircraft. In fact, it is still fabric-covered. And the impact 
+on them was cascading all during the shutdown. So they could 
+not move airplanes that were already produced off the ramp to 
+foreign buyers that bought the aircraft because validations all 
+have to go through the FAA, and they were all stalled.
+    When they go and they make an aircraft and they drill a 
+hole, if the hole is mis-drilled and it is a little bit larger, 
+then you have a deviation from the type design and you have to 
+get permission from the FAA to put a bigger rivet in it. That 
+is how highly regulated our industry is, like no other. And so 
+you have ripple effects all throughout the system.
+    So during the shutdown, we had very open lines of 
+communication to the FAA leadership. And I just want to echo 
+what my colleagues have said. Acting Administrator Elwell, Ali 
+Bahrami, who runs the safety division, Teri Bristol on the air 
+traffic control side, and up to Secretary Chao, they did 
+everything within the limits of the law to be able to listen to 
+us, and tried to mitigate as best they could.
+    But all of these effects were compounding. So when you go 
+into a shutdown or start planning for it, and that happened 
+this week, all of a sudden the activity starts to slow down 
+because they have got to get ready for the shutdown. And then 
+once the shutdown is over with, our calculation, which is borne 
+out with the previous shutdown that Ranking Member Graves 
+mentioned, is usually about 3 to 4 weeks for every 1 week of 
+shutdown because you are not just having to clean out your 
+inbox. You have got to keep pace of this increasing amount of 
+activity that is coming at Mr. Perrone's people.
+    So the safety part of the FAA--we as manufacturers, a lot 
+of us fly in the system and we touch Mr. Rinaldi's people all 
+the time. And the selfless performance they did during the 
+shutdown is so much appreciated. But Mr. Perrone's folks are, 
+for us as manufacturers and maintenance providers and training 
+providers, they are the unsung heroes because they sit there 
+and they allow us, with the safety oversight that permeates 
+every single thing that we do. And without them to be able to 
+approve each and every part of the process, the system starts 
+to break down and the recovery becomes very long.
+    So now moving forward, it is very important for us as 
+manufacturers to implement what you all did last year in the 
+2018 FAA Reauthorization Act. There continues to be significant 
+reforms out there in certification, and we had a lot of lessons 
+learned during this shutdown.
+    We learned that delegated authorities, or ODAs, that are 
+managed in one part of the country are not managed the same in 
+others. So there are a lot of things that we will be able to 
+capture. But I would ask this committee, as we move forward, 
+these reforms are important and we need to keep them online 
+because we have tremendous new equipment coming into the 
+system. A lot of attention is paid to commercial drones, but we 
+have got on-demand air mobility coming very quickly. In 
+commercial space, we are going to see launches this year on 
+significant commercial space operations.
+    So we need to make sure that the pressure remains and the 
+oversight maintains on the FAA to be able to go and drive last 
+year's reforms across the goal line. Thank you.
+    [The prepared statement of Mr. Bunce follows:]
+
+                                
+  Prepared Statement of Peter J. Bunce, President and Chief Executive 
+          Officer, General Aviation Manufacturers Association
+    Thank you, Chairman Larsen and Ranking Member Graves. My name is 
+Pete Bunce and I am president and CEO of the General Aviation 
+Manufacturers Association (GAMA). On behalf of GAMA and over 100 of our 
+member companies, we look forward to working with you and the members 
+of the House Aviation Subcommittee in the 116th Congress on key 
+aviation items. We also look forward to working with House 
+Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman Peter DeFazio and 
+Ranking Member Sam Graves and the membership of the committee at large. 
+Thank you for convening this hearing today which will be vital to 
+understanding the short- and long-term impact of the recent partial 
+Government shutdown on the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and 
+the aviation industry, and how best to recover from it.
+    GAMA exists to foster and advance the general welfare, safety, 
+interests, and activities of the global general and business aviation 
+industry. This includes promoting a better understanding of general 
+aviation manufacturing, maintenance, repair, and overhaul and training 
+and the important role these industry segments play in economic growth 
+and opportunity, and in facilitating the critical transportation needs 
+of communities, businesses, and individuals. The general aviation 
+industry provides $219 billion in economic output overall to the U.S. 
+economy and employs over 1.1 million people.\1\
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+    \1\ Contributions of General Aviation to the US Economy in 2013, 
+PricewaterhouseCoopers, February 11, 2015.
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+    I appreciate the opportunity to speak about the impact of the 
+shutdown on aviation manufacturing. However, I also want to make it 
+clear that GAMA recognizes that these impacts go far beyond our 
+critical part of the aviation industry. We appreciate and respect the 
+work of all Federal employees, especially those working to promote the 
+safety, security and economic health of the aviation system, and 
+realize how difficult this recent period has been for the Federal 
+workforce and those who contract and partner with the Federal 
+Government. Our industry is one which relies on the professionalism, 
+focus, and success of all aviation employees, both public and private 
+sector. The U.S. aviation system is an extremely complex and 
+interconnected one which provides the highest levels of safety and the 
+largest and most robust air services network in the world--when 
+significant stress is imposed on one part of this interdependent 
+system, there is negative impact on all.
+    I also want to recognize the great work of the House Transportation 
+and Infrastructure Committee in enacting a 5-year FAA Reauthorization 
+bill into law last year (P.L. 115-254). The law was rightly hailed at 
+the time as providing needed stability and direction for the FAA and 
+the aviation system and community. This recent shutdown was a challenge 
+to that premise and we hope the subcommittee will work with us, FAA, 
+and DOT to recover and move forward on critical initiatives which seek 
+to strengthen and improve the efficiency of our national aviation 
+safety system and enable continued growth and development of new 
+aircraft and technologies. From GAMA's member companies' perspective, 
+the certification reforms pushed by Congress and being implemented by 
+FAA and industry have had a positive impact on safety oversight and 
+industry health during normal operations, but also mitigated some of 
+the debilitating impacts in this shutdown. Congressional leadership and 
+oversight have been critical to the progress we have collectively made 
+since 2012 and those efforts need to continue and be strengthened.
+    We also ask the administration and Congress to act in a bipartisan 
+way to make certain that we do not have another shutdown--either a 
+partial one in the next few days or in the future. Either scenario will 
+have extremely harmful effects to the aviation industry. Recovering 
+from the recent Government closure will be both lengthy and 
+complicated, and any subsequent shutdown of the FAA will multiply these 
+negative impacts on small businesses, the economy, and safety. The 
+strength of aviation manufacturing's economic contribution is dependent 
+on a fully operating and functioning FAA being able to undertake 
+certification, maintenance, pilot training, and other regulatory 
+actions and approvals in order to bring aircraft, engines, avionics, 
+and other new technologies and products to the U.S. and global 
+marketplace and to properly maintain the existing fleet.
+    For this reason, we applaud the leadership of Chairman DeFazio and 
+Ranking Member Larsen and vigorously support the Aviation Funding and 
+Stability Act of 2019 (H.R. 1108). GAMA is joined by numerous other 
+aviation stakeholders in support of this legislation, including many in 
+the general aviation community. The purpose of this legislation is 
+simple--to enable the FAA to leverage and temporarily draw from the 
+Airport and Airway Trust fund in the event of a future Government 
+shutdown. If enacted, H.R. 1108 would provide targeted stability for 
+the aviation system to function, including air traffic and critical 
+elements of aviation safety--which includes certification, maintenance, 
+and training--while ensuring congressional oversight. We look forward 
+to working with members of this committee, and other stakeholders who 
+share jurisdiction, in a bipartisan way to advance the Aviation Funding 
+and Stability Act of 2019 in the near term and mitigate the 
+consequences of any future Government shutdown on the FAA.
+   the shutdown's impact on aviation manufacturing, maintenance, and 
+                                training
+Aircraft Certification
+    By way of background, the FAA Certification process is structured 
+to establish, demonstrate, and verify compliance with safety standards 
+for design, manufacturing and performance of aircraft as well as to 
+monitor and sustain the safety of aircraft once in service. During the 
+shutdown, many GAMA member companies could not deliver products or were 
+forced to stop development of new products or technologies because FAA 
+personnel were unable to perform key certification activities. This 
+halted the FAA review of design approvals, flight tests, development of 
+new or revised policy/guidance, and approval of issue papers that are 
+critical to establishing requirements for aircraft and other product 
+certification.
+    Manufacturers could not start any new certification projects other 
+than routine minor FAA pre-approved activities. This was particularly 
+difficult and harmful for small businesses, who rely on an ongoing 
+stream of new business activities and their ability to innovate and 
+attract new customers. Before any new certification project can start, 
+including development of a new and improved component or part, upgraded 
+software, or cabin modification, FAA must first establish the 
+applicable airworthiness requirements and approve the certification 
+plan on how the manufacturer will show compliance.
+    Whenever there is a technical issue such as a new design feature or 
+means of compliance, it requires FAA to approve an `issue paper' that 
+needs to be processed across many different engineering, standards and 
+policy offices. Several GAMA member small businesses were hit 
+particularly hard by the shutdown because they simply could not 
+continue their business without FAA coordination and were forced to 
+make very difficult and significant business choices, because they 
+could not predict when FAA might be available to resume their 
+activities or if FAA would accept any of the work activity they 
+completed. Manufacturers and their FAA Aircraft Certification offices 
+were able to manage these effects somewhat through advance planning of 
+ongoing and upcoming projects prior to the shutdown and by utilizing, 
+when available, delegation systems and authorities.
+Validation and Global Leadership
+    Aviation is a global industry. Once an aviation product is approved 
+by the FAA, this product must also be validated or accepted by foreign 
+aviation authorities to enable export of U.S. manufactured aircraft and 
+equipment. Likewise, for import of aircraft, many of which contain 
+significant U.S. content, and components approved by non-U.S. 
+authorities, FAA must validate their certification design approvals. 
+During the shutdown, all validation programs between the FAA and other 
+international aviation authorities were halted. As a result, the export 
+and import of aviation products was negatively impacted. This not only 
+affected some current deliveries, but there are potentially months of 
+delay to many validation programs with significant impact on aircraft 
+deliveries that could ripple throughout the aviation system of 
+suppliers, operators, training and maintenance providers.
+    Additionally, key international meetings critical to establishing 
+global standards and enabling industry growth and exports were canceled 
+or took place without FAA participation, diminishing FAA and U.S. 
+leadership in the international arena.
+Operating Authorizations
+    Following the delivery of an aircraft, an operator must also obtain 
+the FAA's authorization to operate that aircraft. During the shutdown, 
+these authorizations for general aviation aircraft were halted. The FAA 
+also authorizes specific functions for an operator to use such as 
+allowing data link communication, Performance-based Navigation (PBN), 
+and Electronic Flight Bags. These authorizations were stopped as well, 
+limiting the efficiency and use of improved technology and procedures 
+by operators and their aircraft.
+Repair Stations and Recurrent Certification
+    FAA also regulates and oversees the work done on aircraft and other 
+products at maintenance and repair organizations. This includes the 
+need for periodic, mandatory certification which were threatened given 
+the agency could not perform needed safety inspections. At the same 
+time, FAA could not inspect or certify repair station certificates for 
+initial issuance, transfer, or approval for changes to grow their 
+businesses.
+    By example, one company planned to open a new facility after the 
+holiday break. They had moved all their personnel and equipment and 
+completely vacated their old facility. The new facility could not open 
+because FAA was not able to perform an inspection which hampered the 
+facility's operations and planned new hiring.
+Training
+    Another important part of the broader aviation safety system is 
+those who provide training. During the recent shutdown, the GAMA member 
+flight training providers found that the FAA was unable to approve 
+training manual revisions, authorize training center evaluators, and 
+qualify flight simulators.
+    Without these approvals, training centers could not provide 
+required training for pilots and this delay will likely be felt through 
+the spring as operators and training centers work to make up a backlog 
+of rescheduled training events that had to be canceled.
+    For most businesses, it is not just one issue they faced during the 
+shutdown but multiple ones. For instance, a small company in Washington 
+State was unable to get FAA concurrence for any production changes that 
+fall outside limited parameters. These kind of changes occur on a 
+regular basis for this and other businesses. Additionally, this 
+particular company has made significant investment in new product 
+development and is seeking a new Type Certificate and several Type 
+Certificate Amendments, each viewed as vital to maintaining their 
+competitiveness, which were each impacted. Moreover, they also have 
+applications for type certificate validations in several countries and 
+the shutdown significantly affected the company's ability to move into 
+new markets. As a result, this small company is left with new 
+challenges in an already competitive and difficult global marketplace 
+coupled with the threat of more uncertainty.
+    Another example can be found in family owned Emergency Medical 
+Service (EMS) aircraft operator and helicopter completion center that 
+employs nearly 1,000 aviation professionals, 250 of whom reside in the 
+State of Louisiana where they are headquartered. This privately held 
+company also serves as a training provider for 140 EMS aircraft in 25 
+States, plus the District of Columbia, that provide a critical link for 
+rural healthcare delivery and a vital lifeline in times of emergency.
+    Due to the Government shutdown, this company was unable to complete 
+delivery of at least four helicopters contracted to be placed in 
+service as EMS Medevac helicopters. These deliveries are dependent upon 
+the issuance of a Supplemental Type Certificate (STC) from the FAA for 
+a Single Pilot Instrument Flight Rule (SPIFR) equipment installation. 
+FAA was scheduled to begin ground and flight testing in December, but 
+these were postponed due to a 1-day observance honoring the passing of 
+former President George H.W. Bush and, unfortunately, rescheduled to 
+early January. That testing did not take place due to the shutdown and 
+still has not been completed.
+    The resulting impact of not receiving this STC in a timely manner 
+forced the company to default on contracts and not provide their new 
+technology for lifesaving activities. A version of this story was 
+repeated many times during the shutdown for other life-saving vehicles 
+given the lack of FAA Flight Standards field personnel to provide pilot 
+check airmen certifications, route checks, and, approvals for 
+modifications.
+    In detailing these impacts, it is obvious there is a compounding 
+and cascading effect of the shutdown on the overall aviation sector. At 
+every point, whether it was certifying or modifying products, 
+maintaining and repairing aircraft and systems, keeping the training 
+and approval system for new and existing pilots on schedule, or the 
+ability of operators to put into service and maintain new aircraft, the 
+health and vitality of U.S. aviation manufacturing and the overall 
+aviation system was weakened.
+              aviation and manufacturing industry recovery
+    During the shutdown, GAMA continually surveyed our member companies 
+to inquire about impacts and timelines for recovery. We received weekly 
+assessments of shutdown impacts and ascertained that for each week the 
+shutdown continued, there would be a 3- to 4-week impact on aircraft 
+and product certification programs. This calculation is consistent with 
+what GAMA member companies reported during previous closures of the 
+FAA, though specific impacts depend on how far a company program is 
+into the certification process and the extent of their delegated 
+authorities. The extended length of residual shutdown impact is due to 
+the backlog of tasks that only FAA can perform. While FAA certification 
+offices are working to address this backlog, the day to day pace of 
+manufacturing and maintenance activities accompanied by the start of 
+new projects that FAA must also support compounds and complicates the 
+recovery effort.
+    The Government shutdown will have a lingering negative impact upon 
+certification activities for the foreseeable future. As noted 
+previously, key activities, such as flight testing of new aircraft, 
+which require specific expertise and involvement by the FAA are tightly 
+scheduled. These activities are in continuous demand and losing over a 
+month of activity means that FAA personnel who were unable to do the 
+required flight test because of the Government closure need to be 
+integrated back into the flight test schedule. As a result, development 
+program timelines will be pushed significantly to the right. This is an 
+incredibly complex allocation of limited FAA resources and imposes a 
+burden for FAA management and its workforce to bear. Even under the 
+best circumstances, we anticipate disruptions will continue for months. 
+In order to work through the backlog of activities, it will be 
+important that FAA prioritize its system safety oversight activities 
+and focus its limited resources on safety critical activities and tasks 
+that only they can perform.
+    As with the other associations here today, we also worry about the 
+morale of Federal employees and the impact the Government closure has 
+had on the workforce. The inspectors, engineers, and leaders we work 
+with are skilled and talented and can look to alternative private 
+sector opportunities that are currently abundant. Retaining these 
+employees is critical to moving forward from a scenario they did not 
+create.
+    During both the shutdown and the reconstitution, we have worked 
+with Acting Administrator Dan Elwell and his leadership team to assess 
+the impact of Government closure limiting FAA activities for the 
+manufacturing and maintenance sector and identify opportunity for 
+mitigation. We greatly appreciate the fact that FAA leadership did what 
+they could within the limits of the law to identify available 
+flexibilities and correctly posture the safety directorate to maximize 
+productivity during the recovery phase. Unfortunately, the ability to 
+diminish impacts was limited but it did allow us to keep our membership 
+informed, address issues where possible, and help companies with their 
+post shutdown planning. This communication was also vital to ensuring 
+that FAA remained in its critical system safety oversight role.
+    Since the shutdown ended, we have worked to ensure FAA understands 
+the most prominent and immediate issues that have emerged from a GAMA 
+member company perspective and provided recommendations to help the 
+agency prioritize activities to move forward efficiently and 
+expeditiously.
+    We understand FAA's initial focus is on internal coordination 
+simply to restore operations, review ongoing activities, and develop 
+revised work plans and prioritize recovery initiatives. We have 
+suggested actions that will relieve administrative burdens and focus on 
+key efforts that will help FAA and industry return to normal activities 
+as soon as possible. One suggested mitigation that the agency 
+immediately acted upon was to extend designee and certification 
+authorizations that have expired or will soon expire, facilitating full 
+use of available delegation and bilateral agreements, and issuing the 
+required operational authorizations so that new aircraft can enter 
+service. These steps, and numerous others, will help both the FAA and 
+industry focus their resources on those tasks that only FAA can perform 
+such as: establishing certification basis, approving certification 
+plans and issue papers, reviewing flight manuals, and conducting safety 
+activities that cannot be delegated--rather than more routine tasks or 
+activities that others have authority to undertake.
+             impact on the faa reauthorization act of 2018
+    The passage of this law was a significant victory for the industry, 
+the economy, aviation safety, as well as the traveling public. When 
+talking about the bill last fall, we highlighted key provisions that we 
+believe need to be implemented fully, effectively, and in a timely 
+manner. The shutdown significantly set the timelines back while causing 
+economic damage to the aviation manufacturing industry. There will be 
+some in the bureaucracy that will want to use the shutdown as an excuse 
+not to aggressively implement the reforms contained in last year's FAA 
+reauthorization and we believe this underscores the important role 
+Congress will play in oversight of FAA's prioritization of activities. 
+Collectively, we have lost critical time because of this shutdown and 
+it impacts both existing efforts and those on the horizon.
+    Last week the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee held a 
+hearing focused on physical infrastructure which is critical to 
+advancing transportation and economic development in this country. The 
+success of aviation is also highly dependent on advancing and 
+modernizing the regulatory structure and air traffic control system. 
+Manufacturers large and small are developing incredible new 
+technologies to more efficiently handle current traffic and safely 
+integrate rapidly emerging entrants such as unmanned systems, electric 
+vertical take-off and landing vehicles, civil supersonic aircraft, and 
+commercial space vehicles.
+    The work this committee has accomplished, spurred on by its 
+leadership to advance certification and regulatory reform, will greatly 
+benefit these new markets and technological developments. These 
+reforms, coupled with substantial FAA progress on key initiatives in 
+the certification area, kept us functioning during the shutdown, but 
+also makes clear the vital need for implementation of the 2018 law as 
+we look toward the future of flight. I look forward to working with 
+this subcommittee and the broader membership of this committee and 
+Congress to prevent future shutdowns but also find ways to realize the 
+promise of these important reforms to benefit aviation in the present 
+and in the existing years ahead. Thank you, Chairman Larsen and Ranking 
+Member Graves for convening this important hearing and we look forward 
+to collectively working together to advance the safety and economic 
+potential of the manufacturing and maintenance sector, and the broader 
+aviation sector.
+
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Mr. Bunce.
+    We will now move to questions. I will recognize myself for 
+5 minutes. I just want to make a point about Mr. Bunce's last 
+point. I hope one of our next hearings will be on U.S. 
+innovation in the airspace, and will include discussion of 
+these issues like air taxis and commercial space.
+    This committee needs to get more on top of those issues 
+because aviation in aerospace includes flying by an airplane 
+and flying in an airplane, but it is also beginning to include 
+much more--these issues of drones, of commercial space, of air 
+taxis. And we need to get on top of that. So appreciate you 
+bringing that up.
+    Mr. Rinaldi, according to your testimony, classes resumed 
+last week at the training academy in Oklahoma City. I say 
+``resumed'' because they were stopped during the recent 
+shutdown. Can you describe how the closure of the academy 
+affects the pipeline of new controllers and the ability to meet 
+hiring targets this year, or any year we have a shutdown, for 
+that matter?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Thank you for the question, sir. Yes. There 
+are 22 classes up and running right now. Obviously, if we shut 
+down on Friday, they will all go home again. That is horribly 
+disruptive to the pipeline of getting controllers out to the 
+facilities and start that 3- to 5-year process of 
+apprenticeship.
+    There are limited spaces at the academy, and we are 
+concerned that the agency is not going to be able to meet their 
+hiring goal because it has been closed for 35--actually, it was 
+longer than 35 days. And another shutdown would just close that 
+pipeline for a long time.
+    Mr. Larsen. So can you then--let's move to another question 
+about retraining the controller workforce on DataComm, one of 
+the technologies. Why would there be a need to retrain that 
+workforce on DataComm when the FAA has already spent $8 million 
+on training? Why does that training need to be repeated?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. DataComm is new technology which is pretty 
+evasive, and they change the way that the controllers issue 
+clearances back and forth from the pilots. It is something that 
+needs to be fresh, and it is something you need to do every 
+day. It almost needs to become second nature.
+    So as we went through 35 days of not training, as we 
+approached the 45-day period, you have to do a full training 
+process because the implementation just will not be smooth.
+    Mr. Larsen. OK. Mr. Perrone, you mentioned with inspectors 
+and technicians and the delay for them, from your perspective, 
+is there any way for us to catch up or are we just going to 
+have to trundle our way through months before we get caught up 
+again?
+    Mr. Perrone. Thank you. Yes. The problem is, during that 35 
+days, as was said, the industry continued moving forward. They 
+continued to put aircraft in the pipeline. They continued to 
+make sure they did their part. Our inspectors were not working, 
+so they just had paperwork sitting on their desk, sitting in 
+the inbox.
+    After they came back to work, and I know they came back a 
+little earlier than the full 35 days, but they had to make up 
+for that time, plus every day there is new information out 
+there that they have to review. So it is going to take a long 
+time.
+    And this 3-week period of uncertainty--is the Government 
+going to shut down again? Is it not? The FAA had to move 
+priorities around. They were not sure what they needed to do, 
+and the industry had to let them know and work with them to 
+figure out what is next.
+    So that is the problem, is now, like somebody said, turning 
+on a switch back to work. Here we go. You continue to have the 
+day-to-day operation plus the 35-plus days that we were sitting 
+idle.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you.
+    Mr. Calio, can you provide the committee with additional 
+impacts to the airline industry during the shutdown? You 
+mentioned some airplane deliveries as an example. Are there 
+additional impacts?
+    Mr. Calio. Sure. There were airworthiness directives that 
+we could not get approved because the employees were not on the 
+job to do it. Again, there was NextGen. There were all--if you 
+look at how we fly, in trying to get online, we had planes that 
+needed to be recertified. Those couldn't get back online.
+    Again, there are so many hidden impacts that are detailed 
+in our written testimony. And those are the things we ought to 
+be focusing on to stop from happening again because if we all 
+agree, and I am the one who said it, you cannot just flip the 
+switch back on and make these things happen.
+    So what we were doing, Mr. Chairman, was monitoring our 
+airlines' short-term impacts, mid-term impacts, and long-term 
+impacts. We were piecing and patching, as was the FAA and DOT, 
+to try to ameliorate the short-term impacts. But as you look at 
+it, it grows down the line. The mid-term becomes longer, and 
+there's a buildup there, as Mr. Perrone said. And then the 
+long-term keeps up.
+    We are still suffering from 2013. And every time we add to 
+it, it is wrong, which is why the legislation that you have 
+introduced is so important.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thanks.
+    Ms. Nelson, other impacts of the shutdown, or any shutdown, 
+on flight attendants?
+    Ms. Nelson. Flight attendants know that we were on the edge 
+of facing a real disaster for our jobs. But more so, flight 
+attendants were expressing extraordinary concern about safety 
+and security. We have seen critical incidents, and we have seen 
+those who wish to do ill will. And in each of those cases, we 
+did not have any warning for it.
+    And what flight attendants were very aware of was that in 
+those instances, if we had known, we would have pulled our 
+friends off those flights. We would have told people not to go. 
+We would have done anything that we could to avoid those 
+situations. And they were saying to us, we have to act now 
+because now we see that there are these gaps. And we cannot 
+stand by and let something catastrophic happen when we know 
+that we are setting ourselves up for that.
+    Mr. Larsen. So you are kind of the first responder in the 
+aircraft, and you are the last to know in these circumstances?
+    Ms. Nelson. We count on all of these people to keep us 
+safe, to do their jobs. And when people come to the aircraft 
+door, we are that last line of defense, and we are the first 
+responder when something happens that goes wrong. But when we 
+have a break in the chain of all of the safety layers that have 
+to be in place to keep us safe, we are set up to fail. And we 
+were saying that that is unacceptable.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you.
+    Mr. Bunce, I will come back to you. I am sure others have 
+questions for you. But I appreciate your comments on ODA and 
+certification reform, so I would like to explore that a little 
+bit later.
+    But I will now turn to Mr. Graves for 5 minutes.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    Mr. Calio, I will ask you a question. A lot of discussion 
+in regard to the testimony has been focused on safety, which 
+obviously is an appropriate topic. Would your members fly 
+planes with passengers on board if they have viewed a threat to 
+safety?
+    Mr. Calio. Never. And the way our system operates, it is a 
+risk-based system. I think everybody on the panel would agree 
+that the shutdown did introduce more risk into the system 
+because some of the layers were missing in terms of oversight. 
+That said, what the FAA does is they--and Mr. Elwell said this, 
+Acting Administrator Elwell said this--what we will do is 
+compromise efficiency for safety. And you saw that at LaGuardia 
+finally, when it really--when the rubber really hit the road.
+    What they did was a ground stop because we will stretch the 
+flights out, stretch out the flight times, and provide less 
+flights. So less people fly. It's more inconvenient for 
+passengers and shippers. And it affects business. It affects 
+the economy. But never, never would we put a plane in the air 
+if we considered it to be unsafe.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Mr. Calio, thank you. And I really 
+wanted to emphasize that point because there were a lot of 
+comments on safety that were made. And I want to make sure that 
+we are being clear to the public, the flying public, that--
+well, I made my comments opening up about the shutdown, and I 
+am not going to reiterate those. I think it is inexcusable, 
+what happened.
+    But I also think it is important that we do convey the 
+safety factors or I guess the lack of risk that existed during 
+the shutdown as a result of some of the efforts by the airlines 
+and others.
+    Mr. Rinaldi, you made mention, too, of an incident in 
+Philadelphia. I am disappointed the FAA is not here today, and 
+I am looking forward to having much more robust conversations 
+with them. Are you aware how much of that incident was a result 
+of a pilot versus the controllers?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Well, that incident was the pilot lining up 
+for a taxiway that is parallel to the runway. Sometimes from 
+the cockpit it is very confusing. The equipment that I 
+mentioned gave the controllers a heads up that they were 
+outside the cone of the threshold of the runway, therefore 
+giving us an alert.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. I just wanted to distinguish that 
+pilots certainly were not--their pay was not affected by the 
+shutdown. And if this was a pilot issue, then tying that back 
+to the shutdown perhaps is a tenuous connection. But I just 
+wanted to be clear.
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Well, the point of that in my testimony was 
+that equipment was deployed only at 6 airports, going to be at 
+13 additional airports if it was not for the shutdown, now 
+delayed to the end of June. That was the point of my testimony.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. And Mr. Rinaldi, I think I share 
+with you, and probably everyone on the panel, strong concern 
+about the delayed implementation, the continued missed 
+milestones of NextGen, the cost overruns, and other things. I 
+know the full committee chairman has repeatedly made reference 
+to this; I think my favorite line is when you called it 
+``NeverGen.''
+    But this is a grave concern that we have, and something 
+that Chairman Larsen and I have briefly discussed and looked 
+forward to focusing on to help get that back on track and make 
+sure that the full scope of NextGen is implemented in an 
+appropriate timeframe and within an appropriate budget.
+    Another question: I mentioned earlier, and my math was 
+wrong; I just looked at it again. I said that there were a 
+number of shutdowns during the Carter administration. There 
+were actually five shutdowns totaling 66 days.
+    Does anyone--and I am not asking anybody to show their ID. 
+But anybody recall any impacts during those shutdowns, and 
+perhaps impacts on the aviation industry?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. For the Carter administration? I was in high 
+school.
+    [Laughter.]
+    Mr. Calio. I might be old enough, but at that time I was in 
+law school and focused on other things.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Great. Thank you.
+    I guess next question: Mr. Bunce, thanks for being here and 
+it is good to see you again. Can you talk about how the 
+shutdown impacted the integration of new technology such as 
+unmanned aircraft, urban air mobility, and commercial space 
+transportation into the NAS?
+    Mr. Bunce. Absolutely. And especially with--we are calling 
+it on-demand air mobility because my hope is someday that every 
+rural community out there has a machine that is programmed to 
+go to a hospital, and that we can put an occupant in and it is 
+going to fly to the hospital. And we are on the cusp of this 
+being able to happen.
+    Back in 2015, we passed the Small Aircraft Revitalization 
+Act unanimously by the U.S. Congress. And right now we are in 
+that stage of trying to use those implementing rules to 
+facilitate this new type of vehicle to be able to get into the 
+airspace to certify it.
+    So when we can have Mr. Perrone's people available to work 
+on being able to set the certification standards for those 
+types of vehicles. It is delaying this. And make no mistake 
+that there is tremendous international competition in this 
+area. The work that is being done in Europe and in China is 
+absolutely dramatic.
+    And my hope is that the U.S. stays, as Chairman Larsen 
+mentioned, the gold standard. We are an aviation nation, and we 
+have got to keep progressing forward to be able to certify 
+these aircraft. So it does have a big impact.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you. I appreciate it. I 
+yield back.
+    Mr. Larsen. The Chair recognizes Chair DeFazio for 5 
+minutes.
+    Mr. DeFazio. Thanks. Mr. Rinaldi, there are very strict 
+rules about your folks, just like pilots, not reporting to work 
+when they are fatigued or ill and feel they cannot do the job 
+properly. But wouldn't you say--you had a--A, it is a stressful 
+job; B, we are understaffed, so people are putting in a lot of 
+mandatory overtime; and then C, when you get like the example I 
+had, with a younger controller doing mandatory overtime, 
+feeling compelled to drive Uber to put food on the table, do 
+you think--I mean, he may not have been fatigued at a level 
+that he should have stayed home. But they are not at the top of 
+their game. Right?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Certainly fatigue entered into the system. 
+Sometimes individuals have a tough time identifying that they 
+are too fatigued to come to work. And that might have been 
+happening. We did see, as I said, some routine clearances where 
+mistakes were being made because they were distracted.
+    But we were deeply concerned about what was going on in the 
+control towers and the control rooms throughout the country 
+about fatigue.
+    Mr. DeFazio. All right. Thank you. In addition, the extra 
+stress. And then----
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Oh, the stress was intense.
+    Mr. DeFazio. And Mr. Perrone, what about your people that 
+are told they are not essential and told to stay home? How do 
+they feel about coming back to work, and what is the new burden 
+on them?
+    Mr. Perrone. So the problem is not being essential 
+personnel. I mean, everybody in the FAA does their job and 
+keeps the system up and running. Again, the safest in the 
+world, most complex. And to say you are not important for these 
+35 days, the morale was just tremendous that they just said, 
+``Why should we stay? Why should we bother continuing to work 
+if the''----
+    Mr. DeFazio. A lot of your people have technical expertise. 
+Couldn't they find private sector jobs if they want?
+    Mr. Perrone. Absolutely, especially the inspectors. They 
+can go back to industry. And our technicians and workforce, 
+they can go find other jobs because they have that unique 
+ability to do that.
+    Mr. DeFazio. So if this uncertainty continues, is the 
+future about whether these are stable, long-term jobs? You may 
+have trouble getting qualified people to fill your openings.
+    Mr. Perrone. Absolutely.
+    Mr. DeFazio. Yes. OK.
+    And Ms. Nelson, we have been discussing the safety issue. 
+And just--I mean, TSA would limit lines. But again, a lot of 
+them were driving Uber. They are having garage sales. They are 
+checking their phone to see if they sold their table or TV yet.
+    I mean, did flight attendants have an overwhelming sense 
+that things were not as safe as they could be?
+    Ms. Nelson. Flight attendants were seeing it every day when 
+we would come to work and go through those security lines and 
+talk with those security agents, who some of them did not have 
+gas to get back and forth to their homes and so they were 
+sleeping in their cars between shifts to make sure that they 
+could keep the country moving.
+    And we have to really thank them because they stayed true 
+to their oath to serve and protect all of us. Think if that, 
+thousands of people who came to work to make sure that that 
+could keep going when that same oath was not held by people in 
+power.
+    And so yes, we saw every single day that there were 
+distractions in safety-sensitive and security-sensitive work 
+that don't need to be there, and created risk that we didn't 
+need to have.
+    Mr. DeFazio. Thanks.
+    Mr. Calio, you talked about a whole lot of things that 
+disrupted the industry. Can you quantify a number, how much, 
+what the losses were? Damages?
+    Mr. Calio. We can't. We have looked at it, Mr. Chairman. We 
+defer to our members to quantify their losses. You have heard 
+two mentioned, I think, $25 million by one airline, $15 million 
+by another. I actually think the number is much greater. Those 
+quantify losses in terms of flights, lost opportunities in 
+terms of certifications not being made.
+    But the cumulative impact of all the things that everybody 
+up here has mentioned add up to much, much more in terms of 
+disruption to the system and what has to happen down the line. 
+Also, we were taking our own employees off the line to help TSA 
+employees and CBP employees. And so that all has an impact that 
+I think is not readily quantifiable. Someone, of course, could 
+come up with a number. I can't.
+    Mr. DeFazio. OK. Thank you.
+    Just in reference to statements that have been made, I was 
+not here when Carter was President, either. I cannot quantify 
+what happened then. But shutdowns are stupid no matter who is 
+in the White House or who is in Congress, and they have got to 
+end. I am not only introducing this legislation. I am on a bill 
+that has been introduced in the House to say that all agencies 
+would continue under continuing resolutions, in case we do not 
+agree on appropriations and a budget in the future, at their 
+current levels.
+    Obviously, some more powerful committee might oppose that 
+because they think they are losing something in that case. I do 
+not know. But it is a stupid way to get leverage in this town. 
+This is not a partisan issue. And I invite all Members of the 
+House on both sides of the aisle to support this bill, move it 
+through, and at least we can take care of one very important 
+sector of the Government and our economy by passing this 
+legislation. It is a self-funding agency. Why can't we expend 
+funds during a shutdown?
+    With that, I thank the panel. I have got to go over to the 
+other side where they don't do anything to have a conversation. 
+Thank you.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
+    Now we will move to other Members' questions. Just a 
+reminder about the process: We go by seniority, seniority based 
+on if you were here at the gavel. Then after that, if you come 
+in after the gavel, you get in line based on when you got here.
+    So that makes Mr. Stauber from the great State of Minnesota 
+next.
+    Mr. Stauber. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and I appreciate the 
+witnesses who are testifying. Mr. Rinaldi, I was in grade 
+school, too, when President Carter was our President.
+    A couple of things I just wanted to reiterate. To Mr. 
+Bunce, Cirrus Aircraft in Duluth, Minnesota, is the largest 
+manufacturer of piston-driven aircraft. I spoke with them, and 
+they had--the certificates were delayed in sending the aircraft 
+out. They have now been backed up about 4 months because of 
+this.
+    Can you talk to us about other general aviation 
+manufacturers, some of their concerns, like Cirrus had? And by 
+the way, Cirrus Aircraft employs 1,100 people in Duluth, 
+Minnesota, in and around Duluth, Minnesota.
+    Mr. Bunce. Well, thank you, sir. And Cirrus also delivered 
+the most jets last year of any manufacturer out there with the 
+new Vision Jet, so it is pretty exciting.
+    So take another company in Florida that provides other 
+types of aircraft out there. They were within a week of 
+furloughing because they couldn't get flight test people to be 
+able to keep their programs going.
+    Another very large jet manufacturer, if you look at a major 
+development program--I have testified in front of this 
+committee before--the burn rate for a major program is about 
+$10 million a month. And so if you can't get the program to 
+progress, like get flight test, what happens is those flight 
+test people are now booked the next month with another company. 
+So you don't just push everybody to the right. You go and you 
+get the folks that were scheduled, and then you have to go 
+several months later.
+    So it really is a burn rate where it's like lighting a 
+match to the money. And that money could have been used to go 
+ahead and hire more people as you ramp up production once you 
+get your certification.
+    So it all has ripple effects for each one of the 
+manufacturers when we have delays like that.
+    Mr. Stauber. Thank you. Then the second comment I would 
+like to make. Ranking Member Graves made it, and this is about 
+the inability of elected officials in Washington to come to a 
+compromise. And it is extremely disappointing. I hope it does 
+not happen again.
+    And you talk about safety. I have to ask this one more 
+time. Was there any flight in this country that took off, flew, 
+that we knowingly felt was unsafe? Anybody?
+    Mr. Calio. I will take it again. I would say no.
+    Mr. Stauber. To Ms. Nelson, you talked about safety is 
+first, the flight attendants and the assistants. You guys and 
+gals do a magnificent job. You make the flights peaceful, and 
+through some stressful situations. And I have only been a 
+Member for a month and a half, but I have flown enough to 
+really see the spectacular job that you and your folks do, so I 
+appreciate that.
+    My last comment will be this. I will support 100 percent 
+the aviation industry beyond 10 years.
+    Thank you, Mr. Chair.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Mr. Stauber.
+    Next is Mrs. Napolitano, recognized for 5 minutes.
+    Mrs. Napolitano. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And this question is 
+aimed at all witnesses because there is a piece of legislation 
+that is coming up, H.R. 1108, which I have cosponsored, and 
+introduced by Chairman DeFazio and the subcommittee chair, Mr. 
+Larsen, that will protect the aviation industry from future 
+shutdowns.
+    How would this bill specifically provide the stability and 
+predictability of your members, that they require, and ensure 
+the safety of the system for all of us? Don't forget, I am one 
+of those that travels twice a week, up and back to California. 
+So it is very important. Yes, flight attendants are 
+magnificent. I just wonder, when we get on the plane, are we 
+going to get there safely? The attendants at either end focused 
+on their job, are they all right? Or are they worried about 
+having to pay bills because they have not been paid? So to each 
+of you, I have the question.
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Thank you for the question, Congresswoman. We 
+believe it will be--this bill, if passed and enacted, will give 
+us a seamless transition that if Congress failed to appropriate 
+and failed to pass the CR, that we would just reach into the 
+uncommitted balance of the Aviation Trust Fund and not worry 
+about, 10 days before, preparing for a shutdown, and stop 
+implementing equipment, shutting down our academies, stopping 
+training air traffic controllers, stop implementing and 
+training new technology to enhance the safety of the system.
+    So I believe by passing this, it will make it more safe, 
+and it will eliminate the risk of what happens during a 
+shutdown.
+    Mrs. Napolitano. Thank you.
+    Mr. Perrone. Yes, PASS supports this as well. We believe 
+again--we have two sides, the technicians who maintain the air 
+traffic control equipment, certify it, make sure that the air 
+traffic controllers can use it properly, that the pilots are in 
+communications with them; and also the regulatory side. We have 
+the regulatory side that Flight Standards has to maintain with 
+the industry to make sure they are following all the 
+procedures, as we said, new equipment, existing equipment.
+    That is ultimately where we have to be, having those folks 
+working day in and day out so there is no gap of, should we or 
+shouldn't we fly? Should we or shouldn't we have a plane in the 
+air, or that consideration? And everybody is focused on their 
+job.
+    Like I said, knock on wood, we got the safest system in the 
+world because our men and women are out there day in and day 
+out. And we need to have that continue. Thank you.
+    Mr. Calio. Thank you, Congresswoman. First, I would like to 
+say one more word about safety. When you come into the 
+industry, the first thing that everybody in the industry says, 
+in answer to any question, is, ``Safety always comes first.'' 
+And it does. We all operate as a team, and a plane will not get 
+in the air if we consider it to be unsafe, sometimes to great 
+irritation to passengers.
+    In terms of this legislation, it would, as Mr. Rinaldi 
+said, cut the uncertainty out because right now there is always 
+a chance of a Government shutdown. The effects happen. So if we 
+know that there is stable funding, and even if the Congress 
+cannot come to an agreement on the appropriations, we will not 
+be affected.
+    The money will come out of the trust fund because the money 
+keeps going into the trust fund on a daily basis, gets repaid 
+automatically. And it has been referenced here, and I don't 
+know if the letter has been entered into the record, but it 
+should. There are 40 signatories to this letter supporting H.R. 
+1108.
+    As I said earlier, this latest shutdown has totally 
+galvanized the industry. We are together. We want this 
+legislation. Thank you.
+    Ms. Nelson. Yes. This should be nonpartisan. Everyone 
+agrees with this. And I have never seen the industry come 
+together like we have around this. It feels--well, that part 
+feels great, yes. So what we said was that we were less safe 
+during this shutdown because we introduced risk that we didn't 
+need to and that we couldn't even calculate was having an 
+impact on our safety and security.
+    And so we should never do that again. Our union has opposed 
+every single shutdown for this reason. And this was the longest 
+one, it just so happens, so that many of us saw the effects 
+much more because they grow every single day that the shutdown 
+continues.
+    But we absolutely have to stop this, and we have got to get 
+this bill passed immediately. And we have to have a more 
+fulsome response as well. But we should take care of the FAA.
+    Mr. Bunce. Congresswoman, I would just add that this 
+shutdown really demonstrated how important aviation is to our 
+entire society. We are an aviation nation. And so just like the 
+markets react to certainty, our industry has to react to 
+certainty. And this legislation will provide us the certainty 
+that if something again happens like this that is politically 
+driven, that we can go and keep this country running by keeping 
+our industry running.
+    Mrs. Napolitano. Thank you. It makes no sense, does it?
+    Thank you, Mr. Chair.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Representative Napolitano.
+    Before recognizing Representative Fitzpatrick, I ask 
+unanimous consent the following items be entered into the 
+record of today's hearing: A letter signed by more than 35 
+aviation industry and labor organizations endorsing H.R. 1108, 
+and a letter from the commercial drone sector endorsing H.R. 
+1108. Hearing no objection, so ordered.
+    [The two letters described follow:]
+
+                                
+   Letter of February 12, 2019, from the Aeronautical Repair Station 
+      Association et al., Submitted for the Record by Hon. Larsen
+                                                 February 12, 2019.
+Hon. Peter A. DeFazio
+Chairman, Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure
+Hon. Sam Graves
+Ranking Member, Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, 
+        Washington, DC.
+Hon. Rick Larsen
+Chairman, Subcommittee on Aviation
+Hon. Garret Graves
+Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Aviation, Washington, DC.
+    Dear Chairman DeFazio, Ranking Member Graves, Chairman Larsen, and 
+Ranking Member Graves:
+    We write today to convey our strong support for the Aviation 
+Funding Stability Act of 2019 (H.R. 1108) which would authorize the 
+Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to draw from the Airport and 
+Airway Trust Fund (AATF) in the event of a Government shutdown.
+    During the recent shutdown, air traffic controllers and other 
+aviation safety professionals were forced to work without pay and 
+thousands of others were furloughed. Jobs and economic growth in the 
+industry were threatened as manufacturers, airlines and other 
+operators, and small businesses faced disruption. The effect on the 
+Nation's air transportation system and the workers charged with keeping 
+the system safe was dramatic. We find this situation to be unacceptable 
+and we want to work with Congress and the administration to prevent 
+this from ever happening again.
+    The legislation is designed to provide a limited, targeted way of 
+ensuring stability for the aviation system and it does not change 
+congressional direction or oversight in any way.
+    H.R. 1108 allows FAA to carry out its mission by using the AATF, 
+which presently has an uncommitted balance of over $6 billion. 
+Additionally, users of the system continued to pay taxes and fees 
+during the shutdown to fund the aviation system, but the dollars could 
+not be accessed to support controllers, safety specialists, and other 
+critical FAA personnel absent a legislative fix. Passengers, shippers, 
+FAA employees, operators, businesses, pilots, airline employees and 
+others rely on our aviation system and support its operation through 
+payments to the Trust Fund.
+    We look forward to working with the committee, other Members of 
+Congress, and the administration to pass H.R. 1108 and ensure that the 
+FAA operates safely and efficiently for the flying public.
+        Sincerely,
+            Aeronautical Repair Station Association
+                      Aerospace Maintenance Council
+                        Air Line Pilots Association
+                  Air Medical Operators Association
+                    Air Traffic Control Association
+                   Aircraft Electronics Association
+           Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association
+             Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association
+                               Airlines for America
+                       Airports Consultants Council
+      Airports Council International--North America
+         American Association of Airport Executives
+              Association of Flight Attendants--CWA
+          Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems 
+                                      International
+         Aviation Accreditation Board International
+              Aviation Technician Education Council
+                          Cargo Airline Association
+                          Commercial Drone Alliance
+                  Experimental Aircraft Association
+         General Aviation Manufacturers Association
+               Helicopter Association International
+            International Air Transport Association
+       International Association of Machinists and 
+                                  Aerospace Workers
+   International Brotherhood of Teamsters--Airline 
+                                           Division
+                 International Council of Air Shows
+                   National Air Carrier Association
+       National Air Traffic Controllers Association
+            National Air Transportation Association
+   National Association of State Aviation Officials
+             National Business Aviation Association
+       Professional Aviation Board of Certification
+      Professional Aviation Maintenance Association
+           Professional Aviation Safety Specialists
+                   Recreational Aviation Foundation
+            Regional Air Cargo Carriers Association
+                       Regional Airline Association
+          Transportation Trades Department--AFL-CIO
+                            Transport Workers Union
+                                   Travelers United
+                            U.S. Travel Association
+
+                                
+Letter of February 12, 2019, from the Commercial Drone Alliance et al., 
+                Submitted for the Record by Hon. Larsen
+                                                 February 12, 2019.
+Hon. Peter A. DeFazio
+Chairman, Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, U.S. House of 
+        Representatives, Washington, DC.
+Hon. Rick Larsen
+Chairman, Subcommittee on Aviation, Committee on Transportation and 
+        Infrastructure, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, DC.
+    Dear Chairman DeFazio and Chairman Larsen:
+    As organizations representing the commercial drone and related 
+aviation and vertical industries, we express our support for H.R. 1108, 
+the Aviation Funding Stability Act of 2019, a bill designed to protect 
+the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) from the effects of future 
+Federal Government shutdowns. We support this effort to alleviate the 
+negative impact of shutdowns on the commercial drone industry and the 
+wide range of vertical market sectors it supports in the United States, 
+and appreciate your leadership on this important issue.
+    We are at a critical and exciting time for the commercial drone 
+industry. Once properly enabled, the safe integration of drones into 
+our National Airspace System (NAS) will save countless lives and have a 
+significant economic impact in the United States. While great strides 
+have been made in recent years to support growth in the commercial 
+drone industry, it is an industry that relies heavily upon its 
+partnership and collaboration with the FAA to function properly.
+    Specifically, the recent closure of many FAA and Department of 
+Transportation offices that work closely with the commercial drone 
+industry during the December 22, 2018-January 25, 2019 partial 
+Government shutdown caused significant industry disruptions. Moreover, 
+the shutdown delayed policymaking that is essential to the continued 
+economic growth in the United States.
+    Below are some specific examples of how the recent shutdown 
+adversely impacted the commercial drone industry:
+    FAA Waivers and Other Approvals Delayed: The FAA's Unmanned 
+Aircraft Systems (UAS) Integration Office is responsible for processing 
+thousands of waivers and other applications that are necessary to 
+conduct expanded drone operations beyond the basic operations allowed 
+under the current regulatory framework (14 C.F.R. Part 107), such as 
+flights at night, over people or beyond visual line of sight of the 
+pilot. Thousands of companies (as well as public sector stakeholders) 
+rely on these types of FAA waivers to conduct advanced drone operations 
+that are essential to their workers' safety and business operations, as 
+well as for emergency response activities. The FAA already has a 
+massive backlog of waiver applications and the processing of almost all 
+existing and new applications was suspended during the shutdown. The 
+processing of petitions for exemption from various Federal Aviation 
+Regulations was also suspended.
+    Policy and Rulemakings Delayed: All aviation rulemaking, including 
+several critical drone-related regulatory actions, was suspended as a 
+result of the shutdown. In August 2016, Part 107 of the Federal 
+Aviation Regulations went into effect, which for the first time broadly 
+authorized commercial drone use in the United States. However, the 
+current rules still contain overly burdensome regulatory hurdles that 
+make it impossible for companies in the United States to realize the 
+full potential of drone technology and the resulting public benefits. 
+Over the last several years, industry and the FAA have worked 
+diligently to craft new rules that will allow for further integration 
+of drones into the NAS and unlock the full potential of commercial 
+drone technology. As a result of the recent shutdown, key rulemaking 
+efforts necessary to enable expanded drone operations ground to a 
+standstill.
+    Issuance of Airman Certificates Suspended: As a result of the 
+recent shutdown, the FAA suspended issuing airmen certifications. 
+Thousands of would-be UAS pilots were unable to obtain the Remote Pilot 
+Certificate that is necessary to conduct commercial drone operations.
+    Industry Partnerships Suspended: While the public benefits of 
+commercial UAS are substantial, policymaking has lagged behind the 
+technology in the United States. Recognizing this, and in an effort to 
+help move policy forward, the Trump administration launched an 
+innovative UAS Integration Pilot Program (IPP) to accelerate the safe 
+integration of drones into the NAS and to foster the development of new 
+drone technologies for use in a wide range of commercial industries. 
+The IPP generated a lot of industry excitement, but while significant 
+progress has been made under the IPP, all work under the program was 
+suspended during the shutdown. Innovative work that was being conducted 
+through other FAA-drone industry collaborative efforts, such as 
+Partnership for Safety Programs (PSPs), was also suspended.
+    Key Industry Events Postponed: The FAA's annual UAS Symposium, 
+which serves as a focal point for FAA officials, Government agencies, 
+and industry stakeholders to collaborate on key issues for the 
+commercial drone industry, was postponed as a result of the shutdown. 
+Other industry events that are critical to fostering Government-
+industry working relationships, including the Unmanned Aircraft Safety 
+Team (UAST) meeting and the Commercial Drone Alliance Domestic Drone 
+Safety and Security Series event, were also postponed as a result of 
+the shutdown.
+    The recent Government shutdown caused significant harm to America's 
+commercial drone industry. We appreciate your efforts to protect the 
+FAA from the effects of future shutdowns in order to enable the 
+commercial drone industry to thrive.
+        Sincerely,
+                      Lisa Ellman and Gretchen West
+                                     Co-Executive Directors
+                                          Commercial Drone Alliance
+                                    Peter F. Dumont
+                                            President & CEO
+                             Air Traffic Control Association (ATCA)
+                                        Brian Wynne
+                                            President & CEO
+     Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International (AUVSI)
+                                    Todd Schlekeway
+                                         Executive Director
+                             National Association of Tower Erectors
+
+    Mr. Larsen. Representative Fitzpatrick for 5 minutes.
+    Mr. Fitzpatrick. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    First, thanks to each and every one of you for the role 
+that you play, which oftentimes is taken for granted. Each and 
+every one of you play a separate, distinct role that is equally 
+important. You all did your job when this Government did not, 
+and we want to thank you for that. And as I have said many 
+times, having lived through a Government shutdown as an FBI 
+agent in 2013, there are significant, long-lasting impacts that 
+most people do not understand.
+    And to have a Government shutdown for 35 days, I can tell 
+you, does irreparable harm to investigations inside the Bureau. 
+And I know it does irreparable harm to each one of your 
+agencies.
+    Two questions I would like to ask you, Ms. Nelson, based on 
+your opening testimony. The first question is with regard to 
+rest periods.
+    So there was an aviation tragedy about 10 years ago that 
+resulted in rest requirements for pilots. Flight attendants 
+were not included in those policy procedures and regulations. 
+As part of the FAA reauthorization, those provisions were 
+included.
+    How did the Government shutdown specifically impact that 
+program and implementation of it?
+    Ms. Nelson. Thank you for that question.
+    In fact, this has been a 30-year effort to try to get 
+fatigue addressed for flight attendants. We have had seven 
+congressional fatigue studies that were done that determined 
+that fatigue exists today, and the best way to fight that 
+fatigue is to get more rest.
+    What was included in the FAA reauthorization bill was an 
+increase of 2 hours' rest to make sure that flight attendants 
+have a chance to get closer to 8 hours' rest in between 
+flights. That has not been updated in the regulations as it was 
+required by law, and there was no way to get at why it was not 
+updated and how quickly it needs to be updated and implemented.
+    So there was no way to get at these issues, just like the 
+issues of addressing sexual harassment, of improving our 
+training around human trafficking, and the other issues that I 
+raised.
+    Mr. Fitzpatrick. Thank you, Ms. Nelson.
+    The second issue raised was that of secondary barriers. I 
+think your words were that flight attendants were being asked 
+to be serving as physical barriers, and you lauded the 
+provision that included secondary barriers for new aircraft.
+    If it makes sense for new aircraft, does it follow that it 
+makes sense for current existing aircraft as well?
+    Ms. Nelson. We completely support secondary barriers in all 
+of our aircraft. It is an absurd practice to have flight 
+attendants use their own bodies as the barrier between the 
+cabin and the cockpit. And secondary barriers are a necessary 
+plank of security.
+    Mr. Fitzpatrick. Thank you.
+    I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Representative Fitzpatrick.
+    I now recognize the Representative from the Sunflower 
+State, Representative Davids.
+    Ms. Davids. Thank you, Chairman.
+    Well, first I want to say thank you to the witnesses today. 
+I really appreciate the opportunity to serve on the Aviation 
+Subcommittee. Kansas is sometimes referred to as the ``Flyover 
+State,'' but we have an awful lot going on there.
+    One of the things that is going on there is that we have 
+regional air traffic control center in Olathe, Kansas, which is 
+in the district that I represent, and I had the opportunity to 
+go by and actually visit the facility and walk onto the floor 
+where the folks who are navigating the planes were at, and the 
+stress that I felt just walking through there was pretty 
+intense because you know that there are thousands of lives in 
+the hands of the folks that are doing that.
+    My mom was in the Army, and now she works for the post 
+office. So many people in my family have been Federal employees 
+and are career civil servants, and I want to thank Ms. Nelson 
+and Mr. Bunce for, one, recognizing our Federal civil service 
+workers as both unsung heroes and also calling out the 
+sometimes demonization and that sort of thing because our 
+Federal civil service really keeps this country going in a lot 
+of ways.
+    So one of the things I want to ask about is I have heard a 
+lot of questioning about safety, and I would like to hear 
+actually from anyone who wants to respond to this. The kind of 
+mental health of the folks who are under the stress of keeping 
+so many of us safe while we are in the air, but also the impact 
+that the shutdown had on their--sometimes it is morale, but it 
+extends much further than that.
+    I do not know if you have been hearing from--really I feel 
+like every single one of you, whether it is safety, the flight 
+attendants, the air traffic controllers, but could you speak to 
+that a bit?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Sure. I would love to. Thank you for the 
+question.
+    During the shutdown and to an extent currently right now 
+because they are not made whole financially, it was 
+demoralizing. They did their job. They did nothing wrong. They 
+came to work. They were used as political pawns for an issue 
+that, quite frankly, was not germane to aviation at all, and 
+this has happened time and time again.
+    We have seen, you know, over a dozen opportunities for 
+possible shutdowns in the last 18 months. We have experienced 
+three shutdowns, and it is demoralizing to start working on 
+programs that are going to get shut down and spend time away 
+from your family to be subject matter experts for the next 
+generation of air traffic control equipment, and then not being 
+able to implement this.
+    Now we are going to start back up, but it is going to take 
+6, 8 months to get back to normal. I think between the fatigue, 
+the risk in the system, and the devalue that they felt coming 
+to work day in and day out will have lasting, lasting effects 
+throughout their career.
+    Mr. Perrone. Thank you.
+    You know, visiting the facility, you saw the air traffic 
+controllers and where they work behind the scenes, below, back 
+in the equipment room. Our folks have to maintain that 
+equipment. They have to keep that up and running, and the 
+pressure, the stress to make sure that it is running properly.
+    Meanwhile, they have to think about their personal lives, 
+their families, and all the other work, the distractions.
+    And they are professionals. It takes anywhere from 3 to 5 
+years for technicians at certain locations, sometimes longer, 
+and they consider themselves, as the inspectors do, as our 
+administrative support, we are all in this together in keeping 
+the system safe.
+    And to have a slap in the face, again, to say, ``You are 
+not important,'' you know, some of them do not go to work. You 
+get paid maybe eventually. Pulling savings out, pulling college 
+out, there were just some examples I have that one of the 
+technicians said, ``I can't get my insulin.''
+    ``I am not going to go to the doctor and get the surgery I 
+need because I don't know how to pay for it.''
+    Meanwhile, he is certifying air traffic control equipment. 
+His head is not in the game 100 percent, but yet they showed up 
+every day to do the job they needed to do. Our inspectors, 
+unfortunately, did not.
+    So I know the question has been asked: is the system safe? 
+Yes, it is safe, but now the inspectors have to go back and 
+that pile of information that the industry sends over to the 
+FAA for review, is there something that was missed? Did a plane 
+take off that maybe should or shouldn't have? Did a pilot or 
+someone have an issue?
+    We don't know until they go through and comb through that. 
+I believe, as Mr. Calio said and others, nobody is going to 
+take off on an unsafe condition, but we don't know what we 
+don't know.
+    And these folks say, ``We want to do the job. Pay us. Let 
+us do our job,'' and that is going to, as Paul said, 
+reverberate in new people. We just had a meeting yesterday in 
+Oklahoma City, with trainees, and we were out there talking to 
+those folks. They are questioning whether they want to stay in 
+the FAA now because of that. They are questioning will there be 
+another shutdown, will there be another impact, or should they 
+go and find another job.
+    So, yes, it really is a demoralizing activity.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you. Thank you, Representative Davids.
+    I now want to recognize the pride of Dryden Township, Mr. 
+Mitchell, Representative Mitchell of Michigan.
+    Mr. Mitchell. You should come visit Dryden sometime, check 
+out the horses.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thanks for the invite.
+    Mr. Mitchell. Any time you would like.
+    I would like to say, you know, I grew up in a family. Dad 
+built trucks on the line. Mom worked for the Salvation Army. We 
+saw a lot of layoffs in the 1960s and 1970s in the auto 
+industries.
+    I was alive, by the way, when President Carter was here. I 
+don't remember. I claim I don't remember what happened. What we 
+saw in the shutdowns is that politics overwhelmed policy and 
+people.
+    This institution has already amazed me in my little over 2 
+years with its inability to have a level of maturity that gets 
+things done, and it is dismaying some days.
+    Mr. Larsen, I would support your bill if we, in fact, had 
+clear penalties on Members of Congress and the staff for not 
+getting their job done. Don't pay them, none of them. It is 
+irresponsible. They shouldn't be.
+    I put my letter in to have my salary held the night before 
+the shutdown when it was clear where it was going because 
+people profiled about their issues rather than actually deal 
+with the problem.
+    But let me ask a couple of questions because I think adding 
+drama to the situation--first, let me thank everyone here that 
+did their jobs. Some of your folks came and visited me, and we 
+talked at some length. Air traffic controllers came in to chat 
+with me as well as TSA.
+    Mr. Rinaldi, are you aware of any security, safety concerns 
+that arose in the 35 days?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. I am not. What we are aware of is that the 
+system is built on layers and redundancy of safety. It is the 
+ultimate safety net, and you know, if you shut down for 3 or 4 
+days, you are not wearing that net out.
+    But as you go 2 weeks, 3 weeks, 4 weeks, and our processes 
+are not in place to mitigate risk and reduce the hazards that 
+are identified, then you are increasing the risk.
+    Mr. Mitchell. Oh, I heartily agree. People not paid for a 
+month is unconscionable.
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Well, I was not even talking about not being 
+paid, but not having people at work that actually do the safety 
+functions.
+    Mr. Mitchell. Sure. I agree.
+    I will note that, for Mr. Larsen and others on the 
+committee, that, in fact, when we authorized FAA last term, we 
+could have proceeded with privatizing air traffic control. It 
+wouldn't have been in place by now, I readily admit, but in my 
+opinion, we need to take some of these functions. Air traffic 
+control; we need to take certification of aircraft as much as 
+we can. It is self-funded and actually put it off in a private, 
+nonprofit, not unlike the Tennessee Valley Authority.
+    Now, there is a challenge I would like to talk to you about 
+because we can get it outside of this alleged Government 
+process that fails to function on many days around here.
+    Would you like to talk about that, sir? We should do that 
+sometime.
+    A quick question for you, Ms. Nelson. You reference in your 
+testimony some specific instances where there were concerns 
+regarding failures of security and concerns about security in 
+the air. I am concerned about that.
+    But I think rather than generic or general descriptions, I 
+think we need more specifics about what transpired that led to 
+these concerns because, as I said to Mr. Rinaldi, on top of all 
+the other stupidity around here, we didn't need more drama.
+    So I am curious what the examples are.
+    Ms. Nelson. People were stretched to the nth degree. What 
+we saw at the security lines actually was really the best of 
+America during this shutdown.
+    Nobody likes to go through TSA security lines, and usually 
+they are pretty grumpy about it, but what we saw was people 
+coming with very good spirits, thanking the TSOs for being 
+there, and being very grateful for them to continue to do their 
+work even though they were not getting paid.
+    People were also not just thanking. They were trying to 
+bring money, food, other gifts to try to sustain these people, 
+and what we saw during this time, and obviously, they are not 
+supposed to accept any of that. We don't need people in a 
+security sensitive position accepting bribes.
+    So this is one example of a security concern that we had, 
+was that as the shutdown wore on, management was looking the 
+other way when people were bringing these issues sometimes 
+because of the human need, because there was such a strain on 
+people, because they were having to go to food lines, because 
+people were so stressed out.
+    We also don't know what causes anyone to be in personal 
+distress, but we know that there were people who were thrust 
+into a hopelessness that had them saying things like, ``I am 
+not getting paid. It doesn't matter,'' or my member tried to 
+revive someone who took his life and was pushed really to the 
+limit.
+    Introducing that into a security sensitive place and not 
+having the backing of the fully functioning FBI and the other 
+agencies behind the scenes doing the risk analysis so that 
+those TSOs can get those briefings every day were all part of 
+the security concerns that we had and what we were seeing and 
+where the system was breaking down.
+    Mr. Mitchell. I yield back. Thanks, Mr. Chair.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Representative Mitchell.
+    Representative Lynch of Massachusetts.
+    Mr. Lynch. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    I want to thank all of the witnesses for your willingness 
+to come to the committee and help us with your work.
+    First of all, I want to just say how strongly I support 
+H.R. 1108, Mr. DeFazio's bill. I just read it. It is three 
+pages, a model of efficiency and a commonsense piece of 
+legislation, and I think we should get it done.
+    I do want to point out, however, a number of my colleagues 
+on the other side of the aisle have commented about the sadness 
+of the shutdown and how we shouldn't let that happen again. I 
+want to remind my colleagues who started this shutdown. The 
+President took full credit for this. We had general agreement 
+on a lot of bills across Congress.
+    As a matter of fact, this week we are going to have seven 
+appropriations bills that are basically agreed upon, 
+bipartisan, House and Senate, that will proceed. It was the 
+President's decision to take hostages, flight attendants, air 
+traffic controllers, TSA workers.
+    That's what we objected to, and to suggest that a Member of 
+Congress should give up their pay because the President decided 
+to take hostages? Give me a break.
+    Before coming to Congress I was an ironworker for 20 years. 
+I represented people for a living. I negotiated contracts on 
+behalf of my workers, the men and women of the ironworkers 
+union and the carpenters union, stagehands, wardrobe workers. I 
+negotiated contracts with them, for them, on their behalf.
+    Coming to Congress I still do that for Federal employees 
+and other workers. Even when I took my members out on strike, 
+when I asked my members, the men and women of my unions, to go 
+on strike, I got paid because they wanted me in there fighting 
+for them, that I would have no distractions and no backsliding, 
+no backstepping.
+    So I advise my colleagues on the Democratic side, take your 
+pay. Keep fighting. That's the attitude that the Democrats 
+should have.
+    It was the President's decision, reckless, reckless 
+decision, irresponsible decision to shut this Government down. 
+Don't forget that. And any Democrat who is willing to negotiate 
+with somebody who takes workers hostage should be disgraced, 
+and I am glad my colleagues did not do that.
+    The starting pay for a TSO is about $28,000 a year. Are you 
+kidding me? There are fast food places that pay more than that. 
+So we shouldn't be surprised when TSOs making $28,000 a year 
+with a 35-day shutdown are not coming back.
+    And if the President shuts them down again and we have 
+basic agreement, again, between House and Senate on the bill to 
+go forward and end the shutdown, if the President says no and 
+shuts the Government down again, again, we will face that same 
+dilemma. And these TSOs after that 35 days, and some of them 
+have not been paid yet, if they get put on furlough or laid off 
+again, you can expect that they will just walk. The job is 
+tough enough as it is.
+    So I agree. It is shameful that anyone would shut this 
+Government down. I mean, it just hurts the image of this 
+Government in the eyes of the American people, who we all do 
+work for.
+    But taking hostages is not acceptable either.
+    I yield back.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you.
+    The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Zanesville, 
+home of the Fighting Blue Devils and the Y Bridge, Mr. 
+Balderson.
+    Mr. Balderson. The Y Bridge. Thank you for recognizing 
+that, Chairman.
+    Chairman Larsen and Ranking Member Graves, thank you both 
+for holding this hearing today.
+    I know from my constituents that the partial shutdown did 
+cause significant hardship to pilots, air traffic controllers 
+and others in the aviation sector. I visited and communicated 
+with them, making phone calls. That is one of the reasons, and 
+I would ask my fellow colleague from Massachusetts to join on 
+and cosponsor a bill that Senator Portman and I did, the End 
+Government Shutdowns Act, to prevent this instability and 
+future risk.
+    And I appreciate all of you giving your input today and 
+letting us know what the impacts are from your area of concern 
+on the effects.
+    My first question that I would like to ask is for Mr. 
+Calio. Good morning, sir. Thank you for participating today.
+    I want you to discuss the financial impact of the shutdown 
+on the airline industry. For example, the shutdown delayed 
+Southwest Airlines' plan to operate services to Hawaii. Can you 
+share with the committee specific examples of how the shutdown 
+financially impacted members of your organization?
+    Mr. Calio. As a proud Ohioan, I am happy to try to answer 
+your question.
+    Mr. Balderson. O-H.
+    Mr. Calio. I-O.
+    [Laughter.]
+    Mr. Larsen. Order, order.
+    Mr. Calio. Just give us a moment.
+    Mr. Balderson, as I mentioned earlier, we generally defer 
+to our members to do that. That figure is well known. Southwest 
+has roughly estimated about $15 million.
+    There was another estimate for another airline of $25 
+million. I think the greater point here is in looking back, to 
+look forward. Looking back there are all sorts of cumulative 
+impacts of the shutdowns that have been laid out here in terms 
+of delays. The delays built up over time, create further delays 
+down the line so products don't come online. New planes don't 
+come into service. New routes don't get written. New procedures 
+don't get written, all of which has a huge financial impact on 
+an industry that is the economic engine of this country.
+    So while I cannot quantify for you with any amount of 
+certainty, I can say there are financial impacts that were 
+immediate. There are financial impacts that will accumulate to 
+the midterm and to the long term, and we can't let that happen 
+again, which is why we support legislation that adds certainty 
+to FAA funding so Mr. Rinaldi and I and our friends can quit 
+talking about the need for stable funding all the time.
+    We have been at it. It is kind of like Groundhog Day.
+    Mr. Balderson. Thank you for answering the question, and it 
+is good to see a fellow Ohioan.
+    Back to Mr. Rinaldi since you brought that up. Good 
+morning, Mr. Rinaldi.
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Good morning.
+    Mr. Balderson. As I said earlier, I did have the pleasure 
+of touring the tower at Columbus airport, now named the John 
+Glenn International Airport and have developed a relationship 
+with Mike Weekley there, and it is always good to work with 
+Mike.
+    And someone talked about the facility in Oklahoma and the 
+training facility, and that is something that I am going to 
+discuss in the near future pertaining to workforce development 
+and the backlog that is there and, you know, getting folks 
+encouraged to go into this industry.
+    But have you had any confrontations about backup plans in 
+case there is a future shutdown? But hopefully we pass my bill 
+and that does not happen.
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Well, as far as backup plans for future 
+shutdowns, you know, working with the agency as we approach a 
+shutdown, the interesting thing is about 10 days out we start 
+exchanging lists of who would be what we would say exempt/
+nonexempt. These say essential/nonessential. Now, that is not 
+politically correct, so it is exempt/nonexempt.
+    We think the FAA, all employees of the FAA, are essential 
+and need to come to work to continue to run the safe, most 
+efficient system in the world, and we would like to see stable, 
+predictable funding and make sure that we never have to see 
+these shutdowns again.
+    Because even if we don't shut down tomorrow night I think 
+that is, we have already been planning for a shutdown for 10 
+days. That is detrimental to aviation because we are not 
+modernizing the system. We are not moving forward. We are 
+taking two steps backwards every time we come up to a date that 
+looks like a shutdown.
+    Mr. Balderson. Thank you.
+    One followup for you and back to that workforce development 
+piece and attracting outside of the shutdown concern. Can you 
+discuss any ongoing plans to recruit folks to get into this 
+line of work?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. We have a number of people that want to become 
+air traffic controllers. The agencies, we have different tracks 
+of hiring, whether it is from the military or prior experience, 
+certainly off the street, or in our college programs.
+    So there is a good pool of people who want this job. The 
+problem is getting them through, you know, the testing, then 
+security, the medical, and getting them through the Oklahoma 
+academy, which has limited seats.
+    And we have lost 30, basically 2 months of limited seats.
+    Mr. Balderson. OK. I look forward to working with you on 
+that.
+    I yield back. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Thank you, sir.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you.
+    And the Representative from the State whose State beverage 
+is milk, Angie Craig, Representative Craig from Minnesota.
+    Mrs. Craig. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman.
+    So I was sworn into the United States Congress 12 days into 
+this shutdown, and since 1996, we have had 22 continuing 
+resolutions and 10 Government shutdowns. So as I come into this 
+Congress, I take a fresh look if what we have been doing is 
+working.
+    And I want to say to you that that is why I have supported 
+a freshman bill called The Shutdown to End All Shutdowns. Not 
+only does it send us into a continuing resolution, but it also 
+makes sure that our elected leaders are here every single day 
+for daily quorum calls.
+    It also takes away pay because I believe if your hard-
+working Federal Government employees are not being paid, 
+neither should we, and we should come to work every day and 
+fight like hell for you, even though we are not being paid.
+    So I have come in, I believe, with a number of the freshmen 
+with fresh eyes looking at the way this Congress is working.
+    I will support the chairmen's, both Chairman Larsen and 
+Chairman DeFazio's legislation, H.R. 1108, because I believe in 
+the interim of figuring out how we stop all shutdowns, we 
+certainly should stop our national airspace having the risk 
+that we currently have.
+    Mr. Rinaldi, thank you so much for being here this morning 
+and representing air traffic controllers. As you may know, I 
+have a regional air traffic control center in my congressional 
+district in Farmington, Minnesota, otherwise known as the 
+Minneapolis Air Route Traffic Control Center. I will try not to 
+be offended by it being called Minneapolis and it is in 
+Farmington.
+    But it is the 13th busiest center in the United States, and 
+I want to share a few of the stories of the air traffic 
+controllers in my center. I want to talk about Joe, Jeremy and 
+Kelly.
+    Joe was a new father of a baby born 10 weeks prematurely. 
+He had his leave canceled, and he had to decide whether he 
+would come to work every day or go to the NICU and see his 
+newborn.
+    Jeremy was a father of three who was on the verge of having 
+to take out significant credit card debt just to pay his bills.
+    And Kelly is a trainee with student loan debt, and she had 
+to wonder how she was going to continue to meet those 
+requirements.
+    So each of them on behalf of their communities came to work 
+every single day not just on behalf of their communities, but 
+on behalf of communities that they will never ever know. They 
+came to work every day, and they did their job.
+    So I want to ask you, Mr. Rinaldi, and every single one of 
+you. We are staring down another Government shutdown, and 
+although I am optimistic because that tends to be my nature, I 
+want you to tell us what message you would have for Congress 
+and for the administration on Saturday morning if you wake up 
+and this Government is shut down again.
+    In one or two sentences, what is your message to us?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. It has been the message during the shutdown. 
+It's: open the Government. There is no reason for Federal 
+employees to be held hostage for a political dispute that has 
+nothing to do with them. Congress, Senate, White House need to 
+do their job. They are elected to do their job. Do their job 
+and keep the Government open.
+    I thank you for your legislation. We will support any 
+legislation that meets our four core principles, that, you 
+know, supports our front-line workforce; that certainly gives a 
+stable, predictable funding; and gets us out of this shutdown 
+mode.
+    I thank you.
+    Mrs. Craig. Thank you.
+    Mr. Perrone. I thank you, Congresswoman.
+    Yes, the same thing: keep the Government open. Do your job. 
+Pay the folks because it is a critical, critical disservice to 
+them that they do not come to work or if they show up, some 
+have to show up Saturday morning, midnight Friday night because 
+they work rotating shifts, and have to think again, ``Here we 
+go. How long are we going to go?'' But yet they are going to do 
+everything they can.
+    So do you job, Congress. Do your job, administration. Sign 
+whatever it takes to keep the Government and the FAA open, and 
+really for all Federal employees.
+    Thank you.
+    Mr. Calio. Thank you.
+    Airlines for America would say that, number one, operating 
+crisis to crisis is a terrible way to do business whether it be 
+in Congress or anywhere else.
+    Secondly, compromise is not a dirty word.
+    And, thirdly, A4A also will support any legislation that 
+prevents a future Government shutdown.
+    I would say this because I am one of the old-timers here. 
+Don't try to bite off too much. Seize the moment right now. Get 
+H.R. 1108 done and move on from there.
+    Ms. Nelson. We take our role seriously of keeping the 
+American public out of danger, and if Congress chooses chaos on 
+Saturday morning, working people have power, and we will come 
+together and use it and we will stop the chaos.
+    Mrs. Craig. Thank you.
+    Mr. Bunce. I would just say: do your jobs and do not leave 
+town until it is done.
+    Mrs. Craig. Thank you. Thank you so much.
+    I yield back my time.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Representative Craig.
+    Representative Spano from Florida.
+    Mr. Spano. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate the 
+opportunity to serve with you.
+    And thank you for being here. I am really grateful for your 
+testimony and your expertise and the work that you all do to 
+keep us safe. It means a great deal to me as one who has never 
+flown too much until very recently. So thank you very much.
+    I have a couple of questions for you. I, too, would 
+reiterate and just echo what the other members of the committee 
+said in terms of there really being absolutely no excuse for 
+the Government to shut down.
+    We have a job to do, and we need to do it, and I think the 
+Nation has a right to expect us to do it. And so we will look 
+forward to working with those out there who do have bills that 
+would continue the Government and would prevent this type of 
+scenario from happening in the future. So I look forward to 
+working with the Members to that effect.
+    I do have a few questions. The first question I would 
+direct, if I may, to Ms. Nelson. You had mentioned and you just 
+reiterated, I think, or alluded to it a moment ago just in your 
+response to the previous question, but you said in your 
+testimony, ``If Congress will not put an end to the crisis, we 
+will take action to save lives and protect U.S. aviation.''
+    My assumption by that is that that means you would go on 
+strike. Is that an accurate assumption?
+    Ms. Nelson. No. That is not an accurate assumption. It may 
+be every single day in aviation today if we see an unsafe 
+condition, we are charged to raise our hand and say it is 
+unsafe.
+    Now, we run the safest transportation system in the world, 
+really proud of that, and all of us participate in that. But 
+when we see something that is unsafe, we will raise our hands 
+and we will not work that flight until that is corrected.
+    So that is a possibility. That is not what I am saying is 
+definitely going to happen. What I am saying is that we are 
+calling all American people to come to the airports and demand 
+that Washington do its job and keep the Government open.
+    Mr. Spano. Thank you so much.
+    My next question is for Mr. Perrone. How long, in your 
+opinion, do you think it will take for FAA operations until 
+they are back to normal?
+    Mr. Perrone. Thank you, Congressman.
+    That is tough to say. Like I said, the shutdown, even the 
+2013 shutdown, it took a long time to catch up, and now on top 
+of that we have 35 days of shutdown. Our inspectors are trying 
+to do what they need to do.
+    I mean, there was an aircraft crash that they just put tape 
+around, and nobody could inspect it, the NTSB, the FAA 
+inspectors, and it just sat there.
+    There were violations that occurred that timed out. Some 
+timed out; some did not get put into the system in a timely 
+manner. But, again, every day there is new work that they need 
+to do. So it is hard to say, but it is going to take a long 
+time.
+    As Mr. Bunce said, there is aircraft certification that 
+didn't happen. There are pilot certificates that didn't happen, 
+and that continues to add to the frustration, and we have had a 
+few of our inspectors already say, ``We are leaving. We are 
+going back to industry.'' There is going to be a shortfall of 
+staffing.
+    And then with the academy being shut down, you cannot train 
+new inspectors. So it is a compounding problem.
+    Mr. Spano. Can you give me an understanding or an idea of 
+what the functions were that your members continued to perform 
+during the shutdown and what they did not perform?
+    Mr. Perrone. So from the aviation inspector side, none of 
+that work was done or completed. So there is a safety program 
+volunteered by the industry that says, ``Hey, we have an issue 
+or concern.'' It goes over to the FAA inspector to analyze. 
+That just sat in their inbox until the inspectors came back.
+    There were pilots that needed to either be recertified or 
+given licenses that was not completed. Now, the registry was 
+open this time around versus 2013 because the industry said 
+last time that the registry not having aircraft certified or 
+registered to sell, they stayed open.
+    Procedures were limited. So new procedures that normally 
+take a certain amount of time were delayed.
+    Our technicians worked. They worked without pay the whole 
+time. What they couldn't do is some of the modifications, as 
+Paul has said, some of the new equipment, or I should say 
+modifications to existing equipment couldn't be completed. They 
+were only allowed to do safety related equipment, certify the 
+existing equipment for air traffic control. They couldn't do 
+other type of work.
+    And we had a lot of administrative folks that were 
+nonessential or nonexcepted, that that paperwork sat around.
+    Mr. Spano. Thank you. Thank you.
+    My next question is for Mr. Calio, and that is you 
+testified about the shutdown's impact on NextGen programs. So 
+my question to you is: are your member airlines still in line 
+to meet the NextGen ADS-B equipage deadline for January 2020?
+    Mr. Calio. Well, we are working on that with the FAA, but 
+all of these shutdowns create a slowdown because nobody could 
+work on it for 35 days, and if there is another shutdown, that 
+will further delay it. And we have had those kinds of delays a 
+number of times over the last 7 years. So every shutdown, like 
+I keep saying, has a cumulative impact.
+    So we are working towards it. Our expectation is to try to 
+meet it. We'll see.
+    Mr. Spano. Thank you.
+    I yield back.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you.
+    I recognize Mr. Carson, Representative Carson, from Indiana 
+for 5 minutes.
+    Mr. Carson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    Thank you, Mr. Bunce. This question is for Mr. Bunce and 
+anyone else who would like to answer.
+    You know, during the shutdown, our office received an 
+urgent request for help with the Indiana Organ Donation Network 
+to get their flights off the ground. They needed to get new 
+aircraft to help surgeons who collect organ donations and then 
+fly them to perform surgeries to even deliver the organs.
+    This lifesaving network was interrupted during the shutdown 
+when certification personnel were essentially furloughed. I am 
+sure you have seen more than we have the examples of this kind 
+of thing in general aviation.
+    I am hoping you or any of the panelists can give us a 
+better picture of how the shutdown impacts with this particular 
+sector.
+    Mr. Bunce. Well, sir, in this particular case, they were 
+taking delivery of two business jets, and the operating company 
+that worked these aircraft have quite a few flights that they 
+do over a Midwest region that includes the State of Indiana.
+    And it is just an example of what happens all throughout 
+the system because pilots have retraining requirements that 
+they have to do to be able to fly a business jet. So when you 
+go back to training in a training center, the training center 
+has to have the most current equipment that you have on that 
+aircraft in the simulator. So those manuals have to be approved 
+each and every time that the manufacturer or, in this case, 
+someone who is moving organs and does a modification to the 
+aircraft.
+    That ripples into the system, and so the FAA has to approve 
+each one of those manual changes. So you impact the pilot 
+training. You impact the delivery of the aircraft when you have 
+got to make modifications to it, and so that happened 
+throughout the country.
+    Take, for instance, firefighting. Up in Mr. DeFazio's 
+State, they had to do modifications to get these aircraft ready 
+to be able to bid on contracts for the upcoming fire season. If 
+they didn't have the modifications in place, they couldn't 
+submit the proper bid because they can't say they have 
+equipment on the aircraft certified that they don't have.
+    So all of a sudden, they miss a year of bidding on 
+contracts for important elements like firefighting that we have 
+to do. So it happened across the country in many different 
+sectors that do these public service types of flying.
+    Mr. Carson. Thank you. Thank you, Chairman.
+    And I yield back.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Representative Carson.
+    I go with Representative Katko of New York.
+    Mr. Katko. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    And thank you all for begin here today.
+    Mr. Calio, I think you summed it up perfectly when you said 
+that compromise is not a dirty word, and at the heart of what 
+causes shutdowns in my mind is an inability to compromise, 
+political posturing and gamesmanship that catches a lot of 
+people in the crosshairs, and the lack of consideration for 
+those people is stunning to me.
+    Mr. Perrone, what you touched on and what others touched on 
+are some of the intangibles that happen in the security arena. 
+Yes, thank God, you didn't have a security event during this 
+time, but when you have someone like a TSA employee, and I have 
+oversight over TSA for the last 4 years and I continue to, and 
+I am glad to be on this committee as well because it is an 
+aviation sector, which I am very, very interested in from a 
+safety and security standpoint; you are paying someone peanuts 
+at TSA. They don't have all the protections other agency 
+employees have, and then you are asking them to work for free, 
+and then you are asking them to try and find the proverbial 
+needle in the haystack, knowing that something as small as this 
+could take down an airline, my cell phone.
+    We are flirting with fire. We are absolutely, positively 
+flirting with fire. And I look at the aircraft inspection 
+security. It is the same thing. You could apply that to 
+anything, not just TSA.
+    So the more that we use shutdowns as a political tool, the 
+more we are really flirting with disaster, and I have never 
+voted for a shutdown. I have never voted to keep the Government 
+closed, and I never will, and the consequence be damned to me 
+politically because it is more important that we do our jobs, 
+and we abdicate our responsibility when we don't do that.
+    So with that in mind, I think it is sometimes helpful to 
+identify with some particularity the impacts, and we have 
+talked generally about them. So I want to ask. I will maybe ask 
+Mr. Bunce first. Maybe, Nick, you can think about something 
+from the airline side.
+    But from the manufacturer's side, I used some examples 
+during the shutdown of unintended consequences from a financial 
+standpoint because people are thinking, oh, you just shut down 
+the Government. You are saving money. We do not need these 
+employees.
+    Well, it is much worse than that. Airline inspectors, you 
+can't get your newly manufactured planes out of your plant 
+because they can't be certified because the FAA inspectors 
+weren't around; is that right?
+    Mr. Bunce. That is correct, sir.
+    Mr. Katko. All right. So can you give me an idea from a 
+dollar amount what that costs from the manufacturing side to 
+have those planes stacked up and not being delivered for 35 
+days?
+    Mr. Bunce. So for each company, as Mr. Calio said for the 
+airlines, each company has an individual case, but let me give 
+you one----
+    Mr. Katko. I'm talking about the manufacturer's standpoint.
+    Mr. Bunce. Yes. So each company is different. So for a big 
+company that I mentioned a burn rate of $10 million in a major 
+development program, that is one economic impact.
+    For another company, a small company that has maybe got 
+just one product line, and you are upgrading to, let's say, a 
+new processor that does more work, if you go and you look at 
+the supply chain, all of a sudden you have got to make a 
+decision, a bet that the FAA is going to certify your product 
+by a certain date, and you have got to turn off delivery of the 
+old processor and start ordering the new ones because you have 
+to have lead time in the supply chain.
+    All of a sudden now you can't get that new product out the 
+door. You run out of the old processor, and now you are stuck. 
+And if your product line is very small, this can put you in a 
+situation where now you have to try to go out to the markets 
+and find bridge funding, and who wants to invest in an industry 
+that is so reliant on the Government that they have these stops 
+and starts?
+    So it does have a significant ripple effect.
+    Mr. Katko. Mr. Calio, I know you mentioned some dollar 
+figures. Do you have any hard figures for the industry as a 
+whole as to how much they were impacted by this?
+    I mean, I looked at some of the new routes that you said in 
+your testimony were being affected that weren't going to be 
+able to go into operation. You aren't taking delivery of new 
+airplanes, which are more efficient from a fuel standpoint, and 
+you were waiting for those new routes, maybe you had to cancel 
+routes.
+    All those things come into consideration that people don't 
+take account of. So is there anything else you want to add to 
+that?
+    Mr. Calio. Not to that because I have said we can't 
+quantify the figure, but there is a figure there.
+    I would like to mention TSA because of your work on TSA, 
+and thank you, along with Chairman DeFazio for your work in 
+trying to stop the diversion of TSA fees for nonsecurity 
+purposes.
+    Mr. Katko. Yes.
+    Mr. Calio. That was an area of the system that was 
+stressed, and passengers are paying every day into that system. 
+The same with CBP where----
+    Mr. Katko. That is why I introduced a bill to pay them out 
+of that fund.
+    Mr. Calio. Yes. So why stop it?
+    So there are things to do here, and I think doing it on a 
+bipartisan basis is exactly the approach that has to happen, 
+and again, I would encourage all the committee, without being 
+presumptuous, I hope, strike while the iron is hot. People are 
+thinking about this now.
+    Mr. Katko. Mr. Perrone, real quickly, were the aviation 
+safety inspectors at the foreign repair stations impacted by 
+this at all?
+    Mr. Perrone. Yes, there was none done during that 35-day 
+period.
+    Mr. Katko. We are over my time.
+    Mr. Perrone. So we had security issues.
+    Mr. Katko. We are, are we not? We are flirting with fire.
+    Mr. Perrone. Absolutely.
+    Mr. Katko. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    Thank you all.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you.
+    I recognize Representative Garcia from Illinois for 5 
+minutes.
+    Mr. Garcia. Thank you, subcommittee Chair Larsen and 
+Ranking Member Graves.
+    So once again, we are possibly on the cusp of yet another 
+potential Government shutdown. It is for this reason that I am 
+very happy to join Chairman DeFazio and subcommittee Chairman 
+Larsen in cosponsoring the Aviation Funding Stability Act of 
+2019.
+    This bill would ensure that all FAA programs, projects, and 
+activities would continue uninterrupted during a future 
+Government shutdown. While we talk about the effects of 
+shutdowns, I want to make sure that we keep at the fore the 
+human impact shutdowns have on real, hard-working people.
+    This morning I met a TSA agent working at O'Hare Airport, 
+one of the busiest in the country. Christine worked hard to buy 
+her manufactured, or mobile, home in Chicago, where she and her 
+23-year-old son live. During the last shutdown, Christine had 
+to pull out the $200 she had in savings just to buy food and 
+gas. At one point, Christine called out because she didn't have 
+enough money to make her 22-mile commute to work.
+    On January 10th, Christine was served a 5-day notice of 
+eviction. In a recent interview, she recounted the internal 
+dialogue she had during the shutdown.
+    ``How long can we last? I have got a $15 gift card, and it 
+is 2 degrees out this morning. What the heck am I going to do? 
+I am worried about my car, and I am worried about losing my 
+home. Even if the Government is reopened, this has hurt us 
+tremendously. We missed paychecks, and there will be late fees. 
+Who would work at a job for 1 month and not get a paycheck?''
+    Mr. Chairman, I also listened to stories of air traffic 
+controllers who are on the brink of resigning because they were 
+being forced to make the decision on whether to come to work or 
+find another job to pay the bills.
+    In fact, amidst the shutdown, I joined my Illinois 
+delegation colleagues at O'Hare to hear directly from workers 
+about the problems they faced. There were over 600 air traffic 
+controllers and other aviation professionals who live and work 
+throughout northern Illinois, including my district.
+    One controller whose wife had been diagnosed with a heart 
+condition while their first child was in the middle of medical 
+tests fell into quite deep hardship. You see, dealing with 
+medical conditions is more difficult at the beginning of the 
+year because working families have not yet met their insurance 
+deductibles and have a larger out-of-pocket responsibility.
+    In St. Louis, there were reports of a young air traffic 
+controller selling his plasma just to make his monthly 
+payments. These are simply devastating stories of real 
+individuals suffering from the political gamesmanship that 
+threatens shutdown after shutdown. This brinksmanship has the 
+effect of reducing Federal employees, contractors and their 
+families to mere political bargaining chips during the 
+shutdown.
+    Chicago Center was in the middle of implementing new 
+equipment which will enhance communication abilities with 
+pilots. This equipment is commonly known as DataComm. Once the 
+shutdown started, training and implementation stopped. NATCA 
+estimates that $1.5 million that was spent on training was lost 
+and will need to be reaccomplished next fall or later.
+    Not only did the new equipment training come to a halt, but 
+on-the-job training was ground to a standstill as well.
+    I thank all of the witnesses who have come here today to 
+show us what the full impact of a shutdown on aviation is. I do 
+have a question for Mr. Rinaldi.
+    With, as I understand, about 20 percent of current air 
+traffic controllers eligible to retire and the current 30-year 
+low in staffing, there is a critical need for new controllers 
+to expand airport capacity at O'Hare and Midway and other large 
+airports. What will the impact of the shutdown be on 
+encouraging air traffic controllers to retire and on the 
+ability to hire new controllers?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Thank you, sir. Thank you for your passion and 
+your support for the Federal workers. We really appreciate 
+that.
+    As far as, you know, we are still in catchup mode from the 
+shutdown of 2013, the sequester that kicked in. The FAA closed 
+the academy, and then we had the October shutdown for 16 days. 
+The academy was closed for a full year, and we are still 
+catching up there.
+    If we shut down again, the catchup will be well into the 
+2022-2025 mode.
+    Mr. Garcia. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Representative Garcia.
+    I recognize Representative Woodall from Georgia for 5 
+minutes.
+    Mr. Woodall. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    And to Mr. Rinaldi, any time bad things happen and folks 
+are focused, you either had a chance to have your stock rise or 
+your stock fall. I don't think folks realize your members were 
+working 60-hour weeks before shutdowns and 60-hour weeks during 
+shutdowns and 60-hour weeks after shutdowns. That is just the 
+kind of work that your members do day in and day out.
+    And at least from the Metropolitan Atlanta area, where we 
+count on your folks to show up and do their very best 
+absolutely every single day, I know things were getting tough, 
+well, from the beginning to the end, but your folks showed up 
+and did what America was asking them to do, and folks are 
+grateful. So I just wanted you to know that that certainly did 
+not go unnoticed.
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Thank you.
+    Mr. Woodall. We spend a lot of time these days talking 
+about the demise of the aviation industry not because of 
+shutdowns, but because we will stop flying planes, because we 
+will have lots of new alternative modes of transportation to 
+replace our aviation industry.
+    Not to get ahead of ourselves, but I know the aviation 
+industry has been working hard to take care of its carbon 
+footprints, to reduce emissions, to do what the private sector 
+always does, which is try to be the very best corporate citizen 
+it has.
+    I was hoping Mr. Bunce and Mr. Calio could take just a 
+moment and talk to me about what has been going on in the 
+industry to try to be the very best steward of the environment 
+that you can be, to continue making advancements whether the 
+Government mandates them or not.
+    Mr. Bunce. Yes, sir. I think I join my colleagues here. I 
+am extremely proud of what we have been able to do as an 
+industry. This industry came together. We went out to ICAO, 
+which is the United Nations of aviation up in Montreal, came 
+together and arrived at a carbon standard or a CO2 standard 
+that now is applied worldwide.
+    We have programs going on to be able to use what is called 
+sustainable alternative jet fuel, and obviously Mr. Calio's 
+membership uses the bulk of that fuel, but we in business 
+aviation, everybody that is using turbine fuel, jet fuel, will 
+be able to meet our goals if we are able to go ahead and start 
+producing or getting the demand for this and having refiners be 
+able to give us that type of fuel.
+    On the piston side, for avgas, this committee has been 
+tremendous supporters for us of a program that we are doing to 
+be able to make that fuel more clean.
+    So in so many areas, this industry is working together, and 
+because the whole planet is relying on aviation and we have 
+this new, exciting dimension coming out of an ability to use 
+electric and hybrid propulsion, which is even going to make us 
+further green.
+    So it is a very exciting time in aviation, and we are doing 
+our part for environmental sustainability.
+    Thank you.
+    Mr. Woodall. Thank you.
+    Mr. Calio. Thank you, Mr. Woodall.
+    As Mr. Bunce laid out, there is a lot that has been going 
+on, and the industry has come together to do it. Please forgive 
+my voice. But I point out that between 1978 and 2017, aviation 
+reduced its emissions by 125 percent. That is the equivalent of 
+taking 25 million cars off the road every year.
+    In addition to that, we have carried 34 percent more 
+passengers at the same time and more cargo as we did in 2000 
+without emitting any more carbon dioxide.
+    We have aspirational goals for the years coming up, short 
+term and long term, that would take more off, and so you know, 
+the proposals are nice, but the world can't live without 
+aviation. We all know that. I tried to book a high-speed rail 
+train to Brussels. I couldn't get one. So we are going to have 
+to keep planes in the air, but we have to do better.
+    And it is a multipronged effort from the manufacturers to 
+everybody across the board. From our perspective, the less fuel 
+we burn, the better.
+    Mr. Woodall. I appreciate that. We spend a lot of time 
+challenging each other to do better. I wish we spent as much 
+time celebrating the successes when we achieve them. It is 
+worth celebrating, and I am grateful to you for sharing it.
+    Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Mr. Woodall.
+    The entire subcommittee will have an opportunity to show 
+their love for the greening of aviation, aerospace, and 
+airports sometime in the future when we have a hearing. I look 
+forward to everyone's full support for things we need to do, 
+including having been mocked on the floor of the House 10 years 
+ago for introducing even a sense of Congress for an emissions 
+training system during the cap and trade debate. I am glad we 
+are all catching up to where I am. I appreciate that.
+    So with that, I recognize for 5 minutes Representative 
+Norton from the District of Columbia.
+    Ms. Norton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    I think it is important that you quickly held this hearing 
+so we can learn from it, particularly since we don't know if 
+there is going to be another shutdown.
+    And I would like to ask about the actions of the industry 
+in preparation for shutdowns. I suppose I should go to Mr. 
+Calio first.
+    Everyone saw the shutdown coming. We just couldn't believe 
+it would really occur, but there it was. And, of course, there 
+have been shutdowns in prior years repeatedly, and we have been 
+unable to stop them. I don't know whether some of the bills 
+that are coming forward will ever have that effect because 
+there are some negatives to those bills as well.
+    So in seeing this shutdown coming, were there actions that 
+the industry took or could take?
+    And in light of the fact that although we believe the 
+current bill will be signed, are there actions being taken in 
+preparation for a possible shutdown as we speak here today?
+    Mr. Calio. Thank you, Madam Congresswoman.
+    Yes, from our perspective there is always planning 
+operationally and what we can do in which we have to anticipate 
+what will happen with the rest of our partners in the aviation 
+community as a shutdown progresses and how we can make it up.
+    Frankly, there is a lot of piecing and patching that takes 
+place to try to get airplanes in the air, to keep airplanes in 
+the air, to handle the fact that we can't get new planes 
+certified, the fact that we can't get airworthiness directives 
+approved, the fact that the FAA inspectors are out of the 
+system, you know, who we welcome because we need and want the 
+oversight.
+    So a lot----
+    Ms. Norton. You will be flying during a certain shutdown.
+    Mr. Calio. Yes, we will.
+    Ms. Norton. So are there actions with planes going to be in 
+the air that you take or must take when you know that there is 
+going to be a shutdown?
+    Mr. Calio. Yes, we have to take overall account for what is 
+going to be in the system and what the level of capability is 
+to fly what number of planes and which number of passengers.
+    Ms. Norton. So if there is going to be shutdown with 
+various parts of your staff or various parts of the system, I 
+should say, not being paid and, therefore, not sure that they 
+will be there, are there actions that are taken considering 
+that planes do not stop circulating during that time?
+    For example, are there fewer planes in the air? We were 
+told that there were long periods of times when planes could 
+not safely land. Those are the kinds of safety issues I am 
+interested in.
+    Mr. Calio. Well, what happens is, depending on the 
+capability of the rest of the system, what the FAA will do is 
+decrease the number of planes in the air; will stretch out the 
+timing between flights, all of which slows the entire system 
+down; and----
+    Ms. Norton. And decreasing the number of planes, it may 
+mean you have to cancel some flights?
+    Mr. Calio. Yes, absolutely, which has a terrible impact on 
+the people who are trying to fly, for the people and businesses 
+that are waiting for their packages, and all of the knockon 
+effects for the surrounding communities for people not flying, 
+not going to hotels.
+    It all in all is a bad situation. Again, what we need to do 
+is look forward and pass a bill like H.R. 1108, which will 
+prevent any future shutdowns in this industry and allow for 
+stable funding so we can make long-term plans rather than have 
+to plan for shutdowns.
+    Ms. Norton. Do any other witnesses have anything to say?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. I would just add to that every time we 
+approach a lapse in appropriations in the FAA, about 2 weeks 
+out we start scaling down our modernization activity. We 
+certainly start looking at our list of who is essential/
+nonessential, who is going to be coming to work, and basically, 
+we stop moving the organization and the industry forward 
+because we actually have to take a step back to actually 
+prepare for the incoming shutdown or the eventual shutdown if 
+it happens.
+    And all too often in high drama, Congress will pass it on 
+the 11th hour and give us another 2 weeks. Well, all that does 
+is give us another 2 weeks to prepare for another shutdown 
+because those lists change all the time.
+    It is an endless circle with the hamster just pawing away 
+going nowhere because we are preparing for shutdowns. It is 
+ridiculous. It needs to end.
+    Ms. Norton. I just want to thank all of our witnesses who 
+had to confront this shutdown, that you were able to keep the 
+United States of America safe in the air during the shutdown. 
+So we owe you.
+    Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Representative Norton.
+    I move to now grant 5 minutes to Representative Carbajal of 
+California.
+    Mr. Carbajal. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
+    And thank you for being here and sharing with us the 
+important work the industries and the workers you represent do 
+day in and day out to keep us all safe.
+    Mr. Rinaldi, in your testimony, you mentioned the personal 
+toll the 35-day shutdown took on air traffic controllers. In my 
+district, I represent three airports, Santa Maria, Santa 
+Barbara, and San Luis Obispo, community airports.
+    I personally met with a number of air traffic controllers 
+and other airport workers in my district who echoed some of the 
+same concerns you outlined in your testimony. Many were anxious 
+as to when their next paycheck would come or when the shutdown 
+would end.
+    For some of the workers in my district, this took an 
+extraneous toll on their personal lives, as some were 
+recovering from losing friends and family members or homes 
+during the Thomas fire and Montecito debris flow.
+    Can you speak further how the shutdown impacted staffing 
+for smaller community airports?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. Yes, sir. Thank you, and thank you for your 
+passion for our members.
+    Certainly, I am assuming you are talking about Trisha 
+Pesiri-Dybvik, which has been out there. She lost a home. They 
+lost everything they had during the fires. Then to continue to 
+come to work and not get paid while they are trying to rebuild 
+their home a year later is devastating and demoralizing.
+    And it is around the country. It is not just at our core 30 
+airports or our large en route centers or our core 30 TRACONs. 
+It is every airport out there. Controllers showed up every day 
+to maintain the safety of the National Airspace System, with 
+the uncertainty of when they were going to get a paycheck, and 
+it weighed on them and they were doing side jobs just to put 
+food on the table. And they didn't know how long it was going 
+to last because there was a lot of rhetoric that was going on 
+that this could go on for months or years, and people were 
+really, really concerned at that point.
+    Mr. Carbajal. Thank you, Mr. Rinaldi.
+    Mr. Bunce, this shutdown took a huge toll on our economy. 
+Could you share with us a little bit of the impact that this 
+shutdown had on the manufacturing, aviation manufacturing 
+industry?
+    What did it do to many of those production lines? What was 
+the fiscal impact?
+    Mr. Bunce. Again, it is because each company has a 
+different level of activity and where they are in a production 
+process of new aircraft. It could be all from one company was 
+very close to bankruptcy to another company that was just 
+burning a tremendous amount of cash, but they had more product 
+lines to be able to absorb it.
+    So I cannot give you a quantification of the overall dollar 
+amount of impact, but what you really do in that situation is 
+you hurt our ability to be able to service markets all over the 
+world because if you look at content-wise, most of the aircraft 
+that are delivered in this very competitive marketplace have a 
+lot of U.S. content.
+    So one example, there is an Italian company during the 
+shutdown that was supposed to have FAA test pilots come over 
+and fly the test aircraft in icing conditions in Europe so that 
+they could deliver to a U.S. airline that is here on the east 
+coast. Those aircraft have a significant amount of U.S. 
+content.
+    Now, all of that flight tests now, they do not know when 
+they are going to be able to get it done, and they may miss the 
+icing season that they needed to be able to get those tests 
+done.
+    So even what is happening overseas is impacting U.S. 
+companies here because of the global nature of our trade back 
+and forth.
+    Mr. Carbajal. Thank you.
+    Clearly, we have been told that the impact was over $11 
+billion to our economy, $3 billion of which we will not be able 
+to get back. That was part of our GDP.
+    So thank you for sharing, and thank you all again for the 
+work you do and those you represent.
+    Mr. Chair, I yield back.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Representative Carbajal.
+    Now, I will do a second round of questions, and I will 
+start by recognizing Mr. Graves for 5 minutes.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
+    Mr. Rinaldi, do you believe that the FAA is going to hit is 
+fiscal year 2019 targets for training controllers?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. For training controllers or hiring 
+controllers? For hiring through the academy?
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. I am trying to remember their 
+target. Was their target for training or hiring?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. It is for hiring through the FAA Academy.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. OK. For hiring then.
+    Mr. Rinaldi. I believe they are going to struggle to make 
+that. They are going to try, but I think through the process 
+and through the limited seats in the classes out in Oklahoma 
+City, they are certainly going to try, but I think they are 
+going to miss their target this year.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Do you have any suggestions or 
+recommendations on what we could be doing, I guess more 
+specifically, what the FAA could be doing to address the 
+failure rate of those graduating from the academy?
+    Mr. Rinaldi. The failure rate is actually at the academy to 
+screen, right? So, you know, we much prefer that we would 
+screen them out at the academy than to bring people that quite 
+possibly are not qualified into our facilities and train them 
+on live traffic if they do not have the skills and the aptitude 
+to become a certified air traffic controller.
+    So those screens that are happening out in the academy 
+roughly depending on the class, it goes from 50, 60 sometimes 
+success rate. I think that is a good path because the end 
+product we are seeing out of the academy, we are seeing a 
+higher success rate at our larger facilities.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you.
+    Mr. Perrone, do you have any other ideas on things we could 
+be doing to help address or, I guess, mitigate some of the 
+safety impacts that you have raised from the shutdown?
+    Mr. Perrone. Thank you.
+    And I think the biggest thing is keep the Government open, 
+keep people employed, and making it where they want to come to 
+the agency and continue to keep the safest system in the world.
+    You know, the FAA reauthorization bill has some training 
+and staffing models that we haven't gotten to yet because we 
+were just starting and then the shutdown occurred. So we need 
+to get involved in that.
+    It is just important that the Government stays open. You 
+know, we have people that go to Oklahoma City and get trained 
+at other locations continually throughout their career. It is 
+not a one-time event. So the academy has to stay open for 
+people to get trained.
+    New equipment comes onboard. They have to get out there to 
+get trained and then go back and get on-the-job training and 
+certification of equipment.
+    So it is a continuing process for us. It is not just a one 
+time here is a new-hire and that is it. Myself, I spent over 
+2\1/2\ years in the academy in training. So it is important to 
+keep everything going.
+    The FAA reauthorization bill has training that we want to 
+work with the FAA on other ways or avenues of getting them 
+trained, locally, colleges, other events. So we appreciate 
+keeping the Government open.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you.
+    Ms. Nelson, I believe other folks commented on the 
+performance, FAA leadership. I am just curious if you had any 
+reaction in regard to their performance or suggestions on how 
+things could be done differently in the event we would run into 
+an awful situation like this in the future.
+    Ms. Nelson. I appreciate the leadership of the FAA, and 
+certainly of all the people who came and tried to keep the 
+system running and make it safe. When they talk about pulling 
+down capacity and efficiency, that is a direct impact on my 
+members' jobs.
+    And the conditions that the air traffic controllers were 
+describing here that they were put in, where they were having 
+to make a determination to keep the system safe, that that 
+efficiency rate would have to go down. The capacity rate would 
+have to go down and could result in massive furloughs for 
+airline workers and a cascading effect from there.
+    So we actually appreciate Administrator Elwell's very close 
+watch on this and work with us, but the fact of the matter is 
+that we were hearing both out of the FAA and the TSA that the 
+only way to keep us safe is to have certain long-term funding.
+    Mr. Graves of Louisiana. Thank you.
+    Lastly, Mr. Chairman, I just want to make note there were a 
+few comments about the shutdown that were made, and I want to 
+commend and associate myself with the comments from Mrs. Craig 
+regarding the Members not being paid.
+    And I think also her comments regarding Members having to 
+show up, mandatory showing up 7 days a week, I think that is 
+absolutely, absolutely what needs to happen.
+    And let me just go back, and I want to thank all of you. I 
+want to thank the people you represent and say it again. I 
+think it is awful that the folks who were impacted by this 
+didn't deserve it, and they couldn't solve it. I think that is 
+wrong.
+    And I think for us to continue to be paid under that 
+scenario is inappropriate. It takes two sides to any 
+negotiation, and while Chairman DeFazio and Mr. Larsen have 
+introduced legislation that mitigates this impact in the 
+aviation industry, I do think that we need to be focusing more 
+broadly on shutdowns as well.
+    So thank you all very much for being here.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you, Representative Graves.
+    So just to wrap up, I have a question and a couple of other 
+additional comments. The question I have is for Ms. Nelson.
+    Would you like to clarify your comments on the general 
+strike and what that actually means?
+    Ms. Nelson. I would be happy to.
+    So we have called for a general strike in response to this 
+shutdown, and the reason for that is because nowhere in private 
+industry would anyone come to work without getting paid. 
+Through all of the pain that we went through as aviation 
+workers during the bankruptcies, the first day order in those 
+bankruptcies was to make sure everyone got paid, and there was 
+no determination of who was essential and who was nonessential. 
+The only way to keep the business running is to have everybody 
+chip in and make sure that it works and make sure that people 
+get paid.
+    So we had 2 million people who were not getting paid here 
+and others who were forced to come to work without pay. This 
+was unprecedented, and we believe that it requires an 
+unprecedented response.
+    So we were calling on all workers to talk about a general 
+strike in response to this. If Congress can't do their job and 
+can actually or if Washington can't do its job and can actually 
+put us in a position where people are thrown into hopelessness, 
+2 million American workers and the rest of us who were feeling 
+the impacts of that, where this doesn't happen anywhere else in 
+the country, where we have said over and over again that we do 
+not agree with making people come to work without getting paid, 
+then it requires an unprecedented response from the American 
+people.
+    And so we know that maybe we are not ready to have a 
+general strike. We haven't even talked about it in this country 
+for over 50 years. We believe that the conditions were that 
+serious that we needed to talk about it.
+    Separately, our members will continue to assess the 
+conditions at work if there is a continued shutdown, and in 
+situations where we believe that it is unsafe, we will withhold 
+our service and not go to work and make sure that the American 
+people are safe.
+    Mr. Larsen. Thank you.
+    I just ask unanimous consent the following items be entered 
+in the record of today's hearing: two additional written 
+statements from the National Business Aviation Association, and 
+the Regional Airline Association.
+    Without objection, so ordered.
+    [The information follows:]
+
+                                
+ Statement from the National Business Aviation Association, Submitted 
+                     for the Record by Hon. Larsen
+    Chairman DeFazio, Ranking Member Graves and members of the 
+Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, thank you for holding 
+this important hearing to address the significant challenges faced by 
+the entire aviation system during the most recent 35-day partial 
+government shutdown. On behalf of our 11,000-member companies, the 
+National Business Aviation Association (NBAA) is pleased to submit this 
+statement.
+    The United States has the largest, safest and most diverse aviation 
+system in the world, and this system functions so well thanks to tens 
+of thousands of dedicated Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) 
+employees. While much of the discussion during the most recent shutdown 
+focused on our traffic control system, there were also negative impacts 
+on the general aviation industry. General aviation annually contributes 
+$219 billion to the U.S. economy and provides more than 1 million jobs, 
+many of which are dependent on a fully-functioning FAA.
+    One of the major challenges for NBAA members during the shutdown 
+was reduced staffing at Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO). While 
+certain aviation safety inspectors were deemed essential and worked 
+without pay during the shutdown, the reduced staffing meant that only 
+safety-critical functions could be performed. Safety is of course the 
+number one priority; however, FSDOs perform other functions that 
+general aviation operators rely upon to conduct their business.
+    This meant that during the most recent shutdown, Part 135 air 
+charter operators were unable to add new aircraft to their fleets. For 
+NBAA member company Jet Logistics Inc., which transports human organs 
+for transplant using Part 135 aircraft, this presented a significant 
+challenge. The company was prepared to add two new aircraft to its 
+charter certificate as there is a growing need for operators who are 
+qualified to conduct organ-transplant flights. However, due to the 35-
+day shutdown, the two new aircraft, representing a $12 million-dollar 
+investment were grounded, halting transplant flights.
+    For another Part 135 operator that provides cargo flights to a 
+small community lacking service from larger carriers, the shutdown 
+reduced their ability to provide service. In order for its pilots to be 
+qualified and meet FAA requirements, the operator needed a check airman 
+that had a current authorization. During the shutdown, this 
+authorization could not be issued, and the operator was forced to 
+ground four of its five cargo aircraft. This had serious financial 
+consequences for both the cargo company and the clients that rely upon 
+its service.
+    For flight training providers, the shutdown resulted in delays and 
+slowdowns that reduced the number of qualified pilots available to the 
+industry. To issue pilot certificates, flight training providers 
+require regular authorizations from the FAA, and these could not be 
+renewed during the shutdown. The inability of training providers to 
+issue certificates had the potential to halt pilot training and prevent 
+aircraft from having the necessary crews to operate.
+    During the shutdown, the qualifications for training center 
+evaluators also expired and there was a backlog for approval of flight 
+simulators. This made it impossible for organizations to conduct 
+critical training activities, resulting in negative economic impacts. 
+Training providers work in close partnership with the FAA, and for this 
+system to generate qualified pilots, there simply cannot be extended 
+government shutdowns where critical authorizations expire.
+    With passage of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2018, the FAA 
+Aircraft Registry was deemed essential, meaning that dedicated registry 
+staff worked without pay during the shutdown. This change allowed 
+aircraft transactions to continue, and NBAA appreciates the leadership 
+of this committee in working to deem the Aircraft Registry as 
+essential. However, although the registry was operating, the Office of 
+Aeronautical Central Counsel was closed during the shutdown. This meant 
+that aircraft registrations requiring a FAA legal opinion, including 
+those involving limited liability corporations and trusts, could not be 
+processed. Many companies utilize these structures for regulatory 
+compliance and the inability to secure FAA legal opinions delayed 
+aircraft being placed into service.
+    With the far-reaching impacts of the 35-day government shutdown on 
+general aviation, NBAA supports a targeted solution to providing the 
+FAA with funding certainty. We thank Chairman DeFazio and Aviation 
+Subcommittee Chairman Larsen for their leadership in introducing H.R. 
+1108, the Aviation Funding Stability Act of 2019. Under this bill, the 
+FAA would be permitted to use funds from the Airport and Airway Trust 
+Fund to continue operations and pay employees during a shutdown. With 
+balances in the trust fund growing, this approach provides funding 
+certainty, while maintaining congressional oversight of our nation's 
+airspace system. NBAA supports this legislation which ensures our 
+aviation system continues to operate safely and efficiently.
+    The 11,000-member companies with NBAA appreciate the dedication and 
+commitment of FAA employees during the extended shutdown. Through their 
+work, our system continued operating, but we must understand the 
+significant consequences and work to avoid another FAA shutdown in the 
+future.
+
+                                
+   Statement from Faye Malarkey Black, President and Chief Executive 
+Officer, Regional Airline Association, Submitted for the Record by Hon. 
+                                 Larsen
+    The Regional Airline Association (RAA) would like to express strong 
+support for the February 13, 2019 Aviation Subcommittee hearing 
+entitled, ``Putting U.S. Aviation at Risk: The Impact of the Shutdown'' 
+and submits this written testimony to convey that another government 
+shutdown would carry severe and unsustainable consequences for RAA's 22 
+regional airline members and the 153 million passengers we serve each 
+year.
+    As you know, the U.S. aviation system drives $1.6 trillion in 
+annual economic activity and supports 10.6 million jobs, with $446.8 
+billion in earnings. Regional airlines play a critical role in 
+upholding this system and operate 41 percent of all commercial airline 
+departures. Further, fully 409 airports (about two-thirds of our 
+nation's commercial airports) are too small to support air service from 
+larger airlines with larger aircraft, yet still need reliable air 
+service to connect with loved ones, business contacts, travel 
+destinations and the global economy. For these 409 airports, regional 
+airlines provide the only source of scheduled, commercial air service. 
+Regional airlines therefore play a singular, critical role for smaller 
+communities and this air service to smaller communities also supports 
+the nation's economy writ large. In fact, regional airline service to 
+the nation's smallest airports alone (non-hub and small hub) drives a 
+conservatively estimated $134 billion in annual economic activity and 
+supports more than 1 million jobs, with $36.4 billion in earnings.
+    We appreciate the committee's leadership in holding this hearing 
+today. RAA is gravely concerned at the prospect of another shutdown on 
+February 15 and the negative impact this would carry for the commercial 
+aviation system. While RAA firmly believes the best scenario is 
+avoiding future shutdowns altogether, we are especially grateful to 
+Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman DeFazio and 
+Aviation Subcommittee Chairman Larsen for introducing H.R. 1108, the 
+Aviation Funding Stability Act of 2019, to protect the U.S. aviation 
+industry during any future shutdowns that do take place. We endorse and 
+support this targeted approach, which assures stability and the 
+continued safe operation of the aviation system in the event of another 
+shutdown.
+     consequences for regional airlines during government shutdown
+    As you know, airlines, along with employees at the Federal Aviation 
+Administration and Transportation Security Administration, are still 
+overcoming the impacts of the previous shutdown. RAA and its members 
+are deeply grateful to the dedicated professionals at the FAA, TSA and 
+Customs and Border Protection who kept air travelers safe and secure 
+despite missed paychecks and the accompanying financial hardship, as 
+the shutdown continued. You already know some of the serious impacts on 
+the FAA and the Transportation Security Administration, as the shutdown 
+forced air traffic controllers to slow the flow of flights in the 
+airspace to maintain high safety standards and led to long lines at 
+security checkpoints at U.S. airports. In addition to these highly 
+visible impacts, regional airlines experienced other shutdown-related 
+consequences that impacted our operations and passengers. Future 
+government shutdowns would bring these same consequences and more, with 
+problems compounding as the duration extends.
+      furlough of safety reporting and oversight professionals is 
+                              unacceptable
+    The FAA is a safety organization and therefore, all FAA functions 
+are essential. During the last shutdown, FAA employees responsible for 
+safety and reporting systems were furloughed. Additionally, guidance 
+for the agency's Certificate Management Office (CMO) was interpreted 
+inconsistently across field offices, and it was unclear which essential 
+functions employees could perform. Due to this confusion, offices 
+responded differently to non-emergency--but still difficult--situations 
+encountered by air carriers. Over the course of the 35-day shutdown, 
+guidance was clarified, and consistency improved. However, if 
+subsequent shutdowns cannot be prevented, then essential and non-
+essential functions must have a clear definition, so individual 
+Certificate Management Office professionals are not left to interpret 
+which functions are essential and which are not.
+ pilots training, certifications and upgrades were delayed or disrupted
+    Because regional airlines are the career entry point for most Part 
+121 commercial airline pilots, our members are constantly hiring. Pilot 
+demand is at an unprecedented high, and major airline hiring has led to 
+high attrition and the need for a dynamic workforce. During the 
+shutdown, the FAA was unable to issue new student pilot certificates, 
+unable to participate in check rides, unable to administer the ATP 
+written test for new pilots, unable to certify new Advanced 
+Qualification Program (AQP) providers and unable to certify new Aircrew 
+Program Designees (APD), which constrained training for countless 
+prospective pilots and exacerbated a pilot shortage that is already 
+seriously straining smaller U.S. communities. Carriers were also unable 
+to upgrade pilots to new positions (from Second in Command [SIC] or 
+First Officer, to Pilot in Command [PIC] or Captain) during the 
+shutdown.
+    New hire training was further delayed or halted because the FAA was 
+unable to process mandated pilot background checks through the FAA-
+provided data base during the shutdown. While some airlines were able 
+to use the online Pilot Records Data base tool during the shutdown, 
+others experienced access problems and were unable to obtain these 
+records. This created an uneven playing field when some carriers could 
+gain access and others could not. Many regional airlines also have 
+Extended Envelope Training programs, training manual revisions, and 
+Advanced Qualification Program curriculum awaiting FAA approval. The 
+shutdown delayed these approvals and their timely incorporation into 
+pilot training programs.
+    This complex matrix of observations and checks required to inspect 
+qualifications of all pilots in various phases requires timely renewals 
+and certification by the FAA in its role and of those authorized to 
+provide the same. When one part of the system is delayed, there is a 
+cascading effect on the entire system. In this way, the shutdown 
+delayed planned operations and, in some cases, grounded pilots.
+    shutdown impacted aircraft certification and delayed new routes
+    Airlines had difficulty or were unable to place new aircraft into 
+service because the FAA did not have the resources to authorize new 
+aircraft, leading to service disruptions and, in some cases, delayed 
+starts of planned routes. Airlines must gain FAA approval to start new 
+routes or increase frequency on existing routes. This is routine, and 
+flight tickets are often sold well in advance with the understanding 
+that new aircraft will be able to flow into the network. A shutdown 
+disrupts this process because critical FAA certification and oversight 
+work that is required to add aircraft to fleets is delayed or halted.
+    This has resulted in substantial revenue losses for airlines and 
+service delays for communities. One regional airline is currently 
+adding up to five new aircraft per month; if those aircraft cannot 
+enter service, up to 30 flights daily may be disrupted. For small and 
+non-hub airports with more limited connections to the air transport 
+network, such as Essential Air Service (EAS) communities, these delays 
+can have particularly devastating economic consequences. Unlike larger 
+markets, these airports don't have a range of other service options to 
+mitigate the consequences of disrupted air service. Passengers and 
+businesses simply go elsewhere, and it is unclear if these communities 
+can recover from a protracted shutdown.
+                               conclusion
+    A healthy, reliable and safe aviation system is only possible with 
+the collaboration and cooperation of all aviation stakeholders and the 
+Federal Government. Another shutdown would again seriously impact 
+airline operations and should be avoided. However, if a shutdown cannot 
+be prevented, steps must be taken to ensure the full operation of the 
+FAA throughout.
+    The Regional Airline Association stands ready to support the 
+Committee in its work to bring certainty to the commercial aviation 
+industry and the Federal workers who support it, giving passengers 
+confidence that airline operations will continue and their future 
+travel plans will not be disrupted.
+    Thank you for this opportunity to provide comments.
+
+    Mr. Larsen. And finally, I just want to note about the 
+National Transportation Safety Board had to furlough employees. 
+The NTSB is the independent agency responsible for 
+investigating transportation accidents and advocating for 
+safety improvements. It stopped work on more than 1,800 ongoing 
+general aviation and limited aviation safety investigations, 
+and it prevented the Board from working with the FAA to 
+investigate 15 general aviation accidents that occurred during 
+the 35 days.
+    So we want to be sure that was clear in the record.
+    If there are no further questions from the subcommittee and 
+seeing none, I would like to say thank you to the witnesses for 
+your testimony today. Your contribution to today's discussion 
+has been informative. It has been helpful, and I hope we have 
+set down into the record what the impacts of a shutdown is on 
+aviation and aerospace.
+    I ask unanimous consent that the record of today's hearing 
+remain open until such time as our witnesses have provided 
+answers to any questions that may be submitted to them in 
+writing.
+    And I ask unanimous consent that the record remain open for 
+15 days for any additional comments and information submitted 
+by Members or witnesses to be included in the record of today's 
+hearing.
+    Without objection, so ordered.
+    If no other Members have anything to add, the subcommittee 
+stands adjourned.
+    Thank you.
+    [Whereupon, at 12:20 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]
+
+
+                       Submissions for the Record
+
+                              ----------                              
+
+
+ Statement of Hon. Stacey E. Plaskett, a Delegate in Congress from the 
+                             Virgin Islands
+    Thank you, Chairman DeFazio, and thank you to all the witnesses for 
+your testimony.
+    The 35-day Trump shutdown had a significant, real-world impact on 
+the Virgin Island Port Authority's readiness, ability to receive 
+passengers efficiently and safely, and capacity to meet FAA's consent 
+decree requirements. The 35-day shutdown worsened an already tenuous 
+situation at the Territory's airports.
+    To date, the V.I. Port Authority has not been able to receive any 
+feedback from the FAA on the status of its two applications for FAA 
+natural disaster funding. . .all attributable to the 35-day Trump 
+shutdown. These applications are for our two airports; one located in 
+St. Croix, the second located in St. Thomas. This $400 million in 
+potential airport improvement program funding would provide both 
+airports in the Virgin Islands sorely needed dollars for expansion and 
+modernization projects.
+    Finally, long overdue repairs to the Instrument Landing System at 
+our airport in St. Thomas has been delayed indefinitely because the FAA 
+Tech Ops Department was furloughed during the shutdown. As everyone is 
+acutely aware, my District was ravaged in 2017 by two category five (5) 
+hurricanes. The impact of the 35-day government shutdown is 
+immeasurable and we cannot afford another Trump shutdown as the Virgin 
+Islands continues rebuilding its economy and a better, more resilient 
+infrastructure.
+
+                                
+ Statement of Hon. Greg Stanton, a Representative in Congress from the 
+                            State of Arizona
+    Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding this important hearing today to 
+examine the impacts to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) of the 
+recent 35-day partial government shutdown. I want to thank each of the 
+witnesses for being here today and for sharing with us some of the 
+impacts that resulted from the shutdown.
+    The government shutdown impacted 800,000 Federal workers across the 
+country and had an $11 billion impact on our economy according to the 
+Congressional Budget Office.
+    The shutdown not only impacted air traffic controllers who worked 
+long hours without pay, it also halted safety inspections and many 
+other critical functions the FAA is charged with to keep our air system 
+safe, secure, and efficient. The shutdown also had a ripple effect that 
+extended beyond that to airlines, general aviation, airports, 
+manufacturers, and passengers.
+    Last year, Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport hit a record for the number 
+of passengers it served, more than 44.9 million, a 2.3 percent increase 
+compared to 2017. And the Mesa Gateway Airport also saw a record 
+setting year for passengers. To keep these passengers on the move and 
+the air system running as it should, our Federal employees from air 
+traffic controllers to Customs officials to security screeners are 
+vital and without them, everything would come to a halt.
+    As someone who travels every week by air, I am thankful for the 
+dedicated service of our Federal employees during the very difficult 
+and challenging time of the shutdown. They performed admirably, and I 
+appreciate the community in my state for coming together to support 
+them. They should not have had to go through this and it is important 
+we look for solutions to prevent this situation from happening again. 
+It is vital that the FAA be able to function without interruption to 
+ensure the safety of our air system and those passengers traveling 
+through our nation's airports, like Sky Harbor and Mesa Gateway.
+    I want to thank the Chairman DeFazio and Chairman Larsen for the 
+proposal they have advanced--the Aviation Funding Stability Act--which 
+I support and have cosponsored, to make sure the FAA is funded during a 
+government shutdown by allowing it to tap the resources in the Airport 
+and Airway Trust Fund. This would allow the FAA to keep operations 
+funded and make sure our dedicated Federal employees are paid for their 
+work. We shouldn't have to resort to this type of legislation, but it 
+is clear we need to find a reasonable way forward should we ever be 
+faced with another government shutdown.
+    Mr. Chairman, thank you again for holding this important hearing 
+and for our witnesses here today.
+
+                                
+    Statement from the American Federation of Government Employees, 
+                Submitted for the Record by Hon. DeFazio
+                                                 February 12, 2019.
+U.S. Representative Peter A. DeFazio
+Chairman, House Transportation/Infrastructure Committee, Washington, 
+        DC.
+U.S. Representative Rick Larsen
+Chairman, House Aviation Subcommittee, Washington, DC.
+    Dear Chairman DeFazio and Chairman Larsen,
+    Our AFGE Local Bargaining Unit represents approximately 310 Federal 
+employees at the Federal Aviation Administration William J. Hughes 
+Technical Center in New Jersey. Our employees perform essential support 
+of the National Airspace System (NAS). Air Traffic Control personnel 
+rely on us for the deployment of new and improved NAS products and on 
+expert repair and restoration services when Air Traffic Control systems 
+fail.
+    We first wish to express our appreciation for your efforts to ward 
+off FAA Privatization over the past years. Your subject matter 
+expertise and advocacy resulted in Non-Privatization legislation 
+essential to the FAA labor force.
+    You are both keenly aware of the risks to the FAA Mission, 
+America's flying public, and the tens of thousands of FAA employees and 
+stakeholders resulting from the Federal Government Shutdown of 2018/
+2019. We have become aware of your 02-13-19 ``Putting U.S. Aviation at 
+Risk: The Impact of the Shutdown'' hearing.
+    We now write to you with a sense of urgency. We have unique insight 
+on the Shutdown effects on the FAA Mission/Operations, on the Technical 
+Center Community, small businesses and the economy of Southern New 
+Jersey. AFGE Local 200 organized two Public Awareness Events bringing 
+together Senator Menendez, Congressmen Norcross and Van Drew, four 
+Unions, the FAA Managers Association, small businesses and most 
+importantly Federal and contractor employees to share their hardships 
+(all while meeting the FAA Mission).
+        https://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/Federal-
+        workers-rally-for-
+        return-to-work-paychecks/article_47ad152f-6f40-56f0-be94-
+        fe8a78628dbe.html
+    Please consider including AFGE 200 in deliberations on protecting 
+the FAA from shutdowns as well as short term ``CRs''. We are capable of 
+giving fact and data based input, as well as the human/community cost 
+of FAA shutdowns as shown in the attached statement submitted for 
+consideration in tomorrow's hearing.
+statement for consideration regarding house aviation hearing: ``putting 
+          u.s. aviation at risk: the impact of the shutdown''
+    Good Day Chairman Larsen and Ranking Member Graves,
+    AFGE Local 200 represents approximately 310 Federal employees at 
+the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) William J. Hughes Technical 
+Center located at Atlantic City International Airport, New Jersey.
+    Our employees are assigned to three Lines of Businesses in the 
+FAA's Air Traffic Organization (ATO). They are: En Route & Oceanic 
+Services, Terminal Services and Technical Operations.
+    Our employees perform Air Traffic System Hardware, Software and 
+System Administration Engineering and Test, as well as Field Support 
+and Restoration of the FAA National Airspace System (NAS). The systems 
+used by Air Traffic Control personnel rely on us for the deployment of 
+new and improved NAS products, expert repair and restoration services 
+when systems fail.
+    Our prior organization was simply known as ``Operational Support''. 
+Our motto was ``AOS Makes It Work''. The same is true today. And we 
+keep it working. Even during Shutdowns.
+                           executive summary
+    Furloughs offer no benefits to America. Quite the contrary. The 
+calculated monetary cost of FAA Shutdowns is great. But worse, there is 
+long-term decline in confidence, increased fear and uncertainty, and 
+rising pessimism in the FAA Mission and among its workforce. The FAA 
+value to the flying public and taxpayer can be lost.
+    FAA Shutdowns have directly resulted in failed privatization 
+efforts. The Agency and our workforce had wrongly been held accountable 
+for slipping schedules and cost overruns. Such artificial and unfounded 
+findings have cut into morale, staffing/retention, and public 
+perception of our workforce. Our mission suffers from Shutdowns.
+                    the unique faa shutdown problem
+    Since 1995 when the FAA was authorized as an ``Excepted Agency'' 
+under Federal law, the FAA has been shut down more than any other 
+Federal Agency. We have been shutdown for long duration large 
+appropriations lapses affecting multiple Executive Departments and 
+Agencies. The recent damaging Shutdown being the worst. These 
+``appropriation'' events always involve non-aviation industry, non-FAA 
+issues. As well, we have been shutdown individually as an Agency 
+multiple times. For these ``FAA reauthorization shutdowns'', some have 
+been over aviation issues while others have not.
+    Risking the integrity of the FAA Mission, NAS Modernization and NAS 
+Operations during unrelated political fights is harmful to all three, 
+to the flying public and to the American taxpayer. And though FAA 
+Reauthorization requires robust debate to reach good business sense and 
+structural/organizational improvement, shutdowns would only complicate 
+meeting our mission.
+            the unique faa technical center shutdown problem
+    The Technical Center is largely not an operational facility. The 
+main Technical Center function is to research, engineer, test and 
+certify new NAS system and safety technology. Our workforce is split 
+between Federal and contractor Subject Matter Expert employees. In the 
+recent shutdown, AFGE 200 roughly estimates there were:
+      1,000 Federal Employees working without pay
+      1,000 Federal Employees furloughed without pay
+      1,000 Contractor employees layed off immediately or 
+incrementally who who get no back pay
+    With the Technical Center the hub of Southern New Jersey 
+Technology, many of our employees are spouses. Moms and sons. Dads and 
+daughters. Families. Both or more may be ``Feds''. Or Contractors. Or a 
+mix. The bottom line is that many families will lose income. Sometimes 
+two incomes. Many times, the loss is for good.
+    Then there are the small businesses, many of them being minority or 
+female owned. These businesses do not have `corporate cash reserves'. 
+What comes in, goes out. In many cases, finance and contracts 
+processers were furloughed meaning several companies got paid nothing 
+for work already performed before the Shutdown.
+    One community impact is our Daycare facility known as ``The Little 
+Flyers Academy''. It is a non-profit entity. With little cash reserves 
+and while trying to defer employee payments due to losses of income, 
+``Little Flyers'' almost had to lay off staff. Had layoffs occurred, 
+``Little Flyers'' may have lost its State certification to operate.
+    Further community and Small Business impacts can be addressed under 
+separate cover.
+ the unique faa nas operational support and afge 200 employee shutdown 
+                                problem
+    As stated, our lines of business deploy of new and improved NAS 
+products. This is often under the purview of Facilities & Engineering 
+funding which is cutoff during shutdowns. We also perform expert repair 
+and restoration services when systems fail. This is under Operations 
+funding which is deemed ``Essential''.
+    This causes half of our workforce to be furloughed while the other 
+is Working Without Pay. This is indeed unique in the FAA. Virtually all 
+FAA Controllers of NATCA and the System Specialists of PASS work 
+without pay. Our workforce is split between ``Essential'' and ``Non-
+Essential'' leading to inconsistencies and arguments over what is 
+essential. A resulting morale issue is hard to measure because of the 
+professionalism of our workforce. But though management must take the 
+`inequity' into account, there is no mechanism to do so.
+               the shutdown effect on modernizing the nas
+    On top of direct monetary shutdown losses, impacts to the many 
+Operational and Acquisition programs under FAA responsibility must be 
+considered. The calculations of the lost time and funds on these 
+projects adds complex program and financial analyses not accounted for 
+in program baselines. All time lost or expended is money lost.
+    Critical National Security Fixes, the modernization of existing 
+programs, the development of new more efficient systems and programs 
+all come to a halt. Shutdowns postpone efforts to improve the programs 
+and systems. A shutdown even of a couple weeks can delay progress by 
+months, therefore delaying the improvements critical to many systems 
+currently fielded. When work stops, the trickledown effect can be felt 
+in every aspect of the Government and our vendors/stakeholders. And 
+short term ``CRs'' continuing delaying this work.
+    Finally, when Human Resources and Contract process overhead is 
+added to our work, our core mission focus is not optimal. Through no 
+fault of their own, employees/managers face pay, benefit, allotment, 
+unemployment, unemployment repayment, leave accrual, canceled 
+vacations, use or lose recovery issues. And worse.
+    AFGE Local 200 Conclusion--The FAA should never be Shutdown again.
+    Respectfully Submitted--The Officers and Employees of AFGE Local 
+200
+
+
+                                Appendix
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+
+
+          Questions from Hon. Steve Cohen for Paul M. Rinaldi
+
+    Question 1. In your testimony, you mentioned that the Federal 
+Aviation Administration (FAA) scheduled the ASDE-X Taxiway Arrival 
+Prediction (ATAP) Alerting System to be enabled on March 31, 2019, at 
+the Memphis International Airport. This new technology enables air 
+traffic controllers to detect potential runway conflicts by providing 
+detailed coverage of movement on runways and taxiways.\1\ Regrettably, 
+due to the shutdown, the implementation date of this system has been 
+postponed from March until June 2019. Can you describe in detail the 
+financial and staff burdens that this placed and will continue to place 
+on the Memphis International Airport?
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+    Answer. There are direct financial and staff burdens related to the 
+delay in implementing ATAP at Memphis International Airport (MEM). As 
+the March 2019 implementation was being accomplished, it required staff 
+from Memphis Air Traffic Control Tower to perform duties related to 
+that implementation, which means the personnel were not available to 
+perform their normal air traffic operations duties. In some cases they 
+were backfilled with overtime to perform the operations duties. The 
+implementation work must be repeated, which means additional time 
+during which staffing at MEM will be affected. This delay also led to 
+unexpected costs.
+
+    Question 2a. As you know, the Memphis Air Route Traffic Control 
+Center has been heavily involved in training for the implementation of 
+Controller Pilot Data Link Communications (CPDLC), also known as 
+DataComm. This program allows the National Airspace System (NAS) to 
+handle more traffic, reduce flight delays, route aircraft more 
+efficiently and improve safety, all while reducing operational costs 
+for airspace users.\2\ Because of the shutdown, has the implementation 
+date of DataComm changed?
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+    Answer. Yes, the implementation date for Enroute Data Comm at 
+Memphis ARTCC has changed. The original implementation date was 
+December of 2018. NATCA is currently working with the FAA on a new 
+implementation date, but at this time Memphis ARTCC is scheduled to re-
+start implementation in late 2020, with the goal of January of 2021 as 
+an implementation date.
+
+    Question 2b. Will the completed training on the program have to be 
+repeated?
+    Answer. Due to extended delay in the implementation date, all air 
+traffic controller training related to CPDLC will have to be repeated. 
+Due to many factors including the need to train our next generation of 
+air traffic controllers, the decision was made to move Memphis Center 
+from early in the old Data Comm implementation waterfall to late in the 
+new waterfall.
+
+    Question 2c. Can you describe in detail the financial and staff 
+burdens that this placed and will continue to place on the Memphis Air 
+Route Traffic Control Center?
+    Answer. Memphis ARTCC, like many FAA facilities, has staffing 
+challenges. Any and all additional tasks placed upon the workforce, 
+which includes much more than just Data Comm, place a burden on 
+staffing by removing air traffic controllers from operational duties 
+for a period of time to complete the other task. In many cases, this 
+requires back-fill overtime for the operational positions. Memphis 
+ARTCC had already begun training on CPDLC, which took employees out of 
+the operation and required staffing to be reallocated. With the new 
+timeline and the need to re-train all employees, all financial 
+expenditures from initial workforce training were in vain and like the 
+training itself, the expenses will have to be born again.
+
+ Questions from Hon. Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr. for Paul M. Rinaldi
+
+    Question 1. Instead of heeding the desperate pleas of our fellow 
+Americans, President Trump doubled-down on the shutdown and stated, 
+``Many of those people that won't be receiving a paycheck . . . agree 
+100 percent with what I am doing.'' Is there any evidence within your 
+membership that most federal workers supported a government shutdown in 
+exchange for a down payment on a border wall?
+    Answer. NATCA did not poll our membership on this subject. NATCA 
+represents its members on issues related to collective bargaining, 
+workplace rights, employee benefits, and the safety of the National 
+Airspace System.
+
+    Question 1a. Did President Trump meet with your organization during 
+the shutdown to support this claim?
+    Answer. NATCA members contacted the Administration and Members of 
+Congress to urge them to end the shutdown.
+
+    Question 1b. Did your organization make a public statement to 
+support this assertion?
+    Answer. NATCA's national and local leadership who spoke publicly 
+during the shutdown educated the public about the ever increasing 
+safety concerns related to the shutdown and the stress and fatigue that 
+the shutdown created for our membership.
+
+    Question 2. At the heart of our National Airspace System is 
+Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport, which handles over 
+100 million passengers per year. The shutdown ended on January 25th and 
+Atlanta hosted the Super Bowl on February 3rd. What kind of pressures 
+and challenges did the shutdown impose to air traffic controllers who 
+were preparing for air traffic volume like the Super Bowl?
+    Answer. The partial government shutdown made planning for the Super 
+Bowl very difficult because the large-scale formal meetings that had 
+been periodically occurring were stopped. These meetings were attended 
+by NATCA, FAA, NFL, various airport authorities, fixed base operators, 
+and any other stakeholders that would have been invited to participate 
+in the planning for the Super Bowl. At least one formal meeting was 
+canceled. This meeting would have been used to troubleshoot any 
+foreseen issues, to better streamline the procedures, and validate any 
+changes that had been investigated or implemented since the previous 
+meeting. There was also no training related to Super Bowl operations 
+provided to the workforce during the majority of the shutdown, which 
+caused a lot of concern about whether the plan could be executed 
+properly.
+
+    Question 2a. Is it true that air traffic controllers did not 
+receive critical training and weekly safety meetings during the 
+shutdown?
+    Answer. Controllers did not receive any kind of training on Super 
+Bowl procedures until later in the shutdown. The FAA recalled a number 
+of non-excepted staff back to work. They were able to quickly produce 
+and distribute training materials to the workforce and finalize some 
+last minute planning to make sure we could execute the plan.
+
+    Question 2b. Could you detail what kind of information is shared at 
+these meetings or what kinds of drills are reviewed?
+    Answer. The formal meeting covered items such as pre-coordinated 
+arrival routing plans, parking procedures, flow slot time assignments, 
+Traffic Management Unit restrictions, departure routings and 
+procedures. There was a great deal of information covered that needed 
+to be widely disseminated to a number of parties to ensure that 
+everyone was operating on the same plan.
+
+    Question 2c. Do you think this impacted how prepared air traffic 
+controllers felt prior to the Super Bowl?
+    Answer. Early on during the shutdown, the controllers absolutely 
+felt like they weren't prepared for the Super Bowl. Once the FAA 
+recalled a number of non-excepted employees back to work and we were 
+able to better prepare, the workforce began to relax and felt better 
+prepared for the event.
+
+    Question 2d. Has your membership expressed whether the FAA 
+expressed sensitivity to their situation or provided additional support 
+when possible? Especially in the lead up to the Super Bowl?
+    Answer. FAA leadership was sensitive to the situation. They were, 
+unfortunately, unable to help until later in the shutdown when they 
+recalled a number of non-excepted employees back to work. Those 
+employees worked diligently to make sure the air traffic control 
+workforce was as prepared as possible. FAA management held face to face 
+briefings during team training times, distributed electronic training 
+materials to the workforce and answered the concerns brought to them by 
+the workforce. FAA leadership and local management worked 
+collaboratively with NATCA to make sure all of our concerns were 
+addressed and all plans and procedures were executed as well as 
+possible.
+
+       Questions from Hon. Stacey E. Plaskett for Paul M. Rinaldi
+
+    Question 1. Finally, long overdue repairs to the Instrument Landing 
+System at our airport in St. Thomas has been delayed indefinitely 
+because the FAA Tech Ops Department was furloughed during the shutdown. 
+As everyone is acutely aware, my district was ravaged in 2017 by two 
+category five (5) hurricanes. The impact of the 35-day government 
+shutdown is immeasurable and we cannot afford another Trump shutdown as 
+the Virgin Islands continues rebuilding its economy and a better, more 
+resilient infrastructure.
+    Will you speak to what the impact is when an air traffic control 
+tower is unable to operate its Instrument Landing System? Better put, 
+how does the lack of this equipment impact the safety of the traveling 
+public?
+    Answer. Although the lack of an Instrument Landing System has a 
+definite effect on an air traffic facility, it doesn't necessarily 
+affect the safety of the traveling public. The more likely effect would 
+be a lack of accessibility. An Instrument Landing System (ILS) is 
+defined as a precision runway approach aid based on two radio beams, 
+which together provide pilots with both vertical and horizontal 
+guidance during an approach to land. This allows aircraft to operate 
+when the weather dictates that visual flight rules (VFR) are unusable. 
+VFR requires a pilot to be able to see outside the cockpit, to control 
+the aircraft's altitude, navigate, and avoid obstacles and other 
+aircraft. Instrument flight rules (IFR) are required when VFR rules are 
+not available due to weather conditions. When an ILS is unavailable, 
+aircraft would be unable to operate, unless another IFR procedure is 
+available.
+
+ Questions from Hon. Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson, Jr. for Michael Perrone
+
+    Question 1. Instead of heeding the desperate pleas of our fellow 
+Americans, President Trump doubled-down on the shutdown and stated, 
+``Many of those people that won't be receiving a paycheck. . .agree 100 
+percent with what I am doing.'' Is there any evidence within your 
+membership that most federal workers supported a government shutdown in 
+exchange for a down payment on a border wall?
+    Answer. While PASS did not survey our membership on that particular 
+question, what was clear is federal employees preferred to be working 
+and getting paid instead of reporting to work without pay while others 
+were furloughed.
+
+    Question 1a. Did President Trump meet with your organization during 
+the shutdown to support this claim?
+    Answer. No, he did not.
+
+    Question 1b. Did your organization make a public statement to 
+support this assertion?
+    Answer. During the government shutdown our message internally and 
+externally was consistent: end the shutdown and get federal employees 
+paid.
+
+      Questions from Hon. Stacey E. Plaskett for Nicholas E. Calio
+
+    Question 1. In my district air travel is essential to moving off 
+our islands. Additionally, we presently are heavily reliant on tourism: 
+cruise ships of course but the larger dollar spending come from those 
+visitors who come by air and stay. So l am curious as to the change in 
+the number of people who elected not to travel during the shutdown. 
+Have we been able to quantify the number of cancelled flights by 
+travelers?
+    Answer. Thank you for your question. A4A is not aware of a specific 
+quantifiable number pertaining to `cancelled flights' by travelers 
+during the shutdown. Some individual airlines did put financial figures 
+out on the impact reduced demand had on their operations, but not all.
+    However, as it pertains to the U.S. Virgin Islands (USVI) market, 
+as a broad generalization, with respect to leisure travelers, those 
+consumers traditionally tend to book their trips further in advance 
+than business travelers. Given the USVI market reliance on tourism, 
+there is a better chance those trips that were already booked and paid 
+for were completed during the shutdown since airline operations were 
+not directly impacted as far as maintaining a normal schedule. To the 
+extent there was a subset of those leisure travelers who were also 
+impacted government employees, it would be very speculative to account 
+for direct cancellations for that reason or to ascertain how many 
+consumers elected not to travel during that time frame.
+    As local data becomes available, we would recommend you work with 
+your local airport officials to determine passenger number fluctuations 
+compared to previous years for your particular market during that time 
+period. Local airport officials may be in a better position to have 
+that data on a real-time basis.
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